The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-08-02 00:00:00

AUGUST 2, 1853.

I CONSERVATIVE DINNER IN WEST 1
DERBY WARD.

On the evening of Friday last, the Conservative Associ-
ation of West Derby, in celebration of the recent triumph

at the Liverpool election, dined together at Marshall's
Coffee-house, Edge-hill. The attendance was numerous

and respectable. Mr. W. Rovvett occupied the chair, Mr.
Jas. C. Irving officiating as vice-president. The members
for Liverpool, the Hon. H. T. Liddell and Mr.Horsfall,
had been invited, but were prevented by their parliamen-

tary duties from attending. Amongst those present were
Messrs. G. H. Horsfall, T. Bold, Councillor J. M. Wood,

J. Robertson, W. Whatham, J. Bailey, T. Brakell, W
Ellis, G. Ward, J. Wensley, T.s.Tattersall, J. Whitby, J

.. _ .
Andrews, W. Rawle, S. Lunt, J. Gaskell, jun., &c.
The party sat down to dinner about seven o'clock ; and,
after the cloth had been removed, the chairman gave the
customary loyal toasts, which were duly responded to.
" The Queen" was followed by the singing of the National

Anthem, which Mr. Leader executed with great taste.
Then came " Prince Albert, the Prince of Wales, and the
rest of the Royal Family ;" that bulwark of our land,
. .

" The Church of EnglandLmight it ever live in the hearts
of those present, and in the hearts of all her Majesty's
subjects ;" and " The Army and Navy." The last-men-
tioned toast was given by the vice-chairman, who said

that the interests included in his toast were at the very
foundation of all our strength and greatness. (Hear, hear.)

With the toast he begged to couple the name of `Tr. Bailey.
Mr. BAILEY, who was warmly received, acknowledged
the compliment in a hearty and enthusiastic speech, which
was loudly applauded. He was sorry to say that late acts
of Parliament had reduced the strength of those glorious
bulwarks. England had plenty of ships, and good ones
too ; but what was the use of ships if they were not
manned ? (Hear, hear.) With reference to the manning
of merchant ships with foreign sailors, he asked, what
were they to do in a case of war ? (Hear, hear.) We
have nothing to fall back upon. The French have a con-
scription, by which they can, in a short space of time, call
up a body of men, numbering at the least 35,000. For
the last seven months we have been trying to get 5,000
men, and we have not got them yet. What, in these cir-
cumstances, could become of our glorious bulwarks ?
Why, it would come to this : that England would not have
a ship afloat as big as a cocked-hat. (Laughter, and ap-
plause.) Formerly a certain number of apprentices had
to be obtained and reared ; but, with the present practice,
he was afraid that in less than ten years, the sailors would
die out. Could England, in the time of danger, utter
the cry of Nelson :—" England expects every man to
do his duty," if those men were French and Germans ?
(Hear, hear.) It was a pity that some gentleman in the
House of Commons, or some member of the House of
Lords, did not get up and speak what he believed to be the
sentiments of the people of England. _ _

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Mr. WHATHAM then gave in good style, " Hearts of
Oak," the company joining in the song with great spirit.
The CHAIRMAN said they had arrived now at the toast
of the evening, or at least one of the toasts of the even-
ing, and that the most important one. They were met
to celebrate a great victory. (Cheers.) He was sure they
would all agree with him that it was indeed a victory ;
and it was no less a victory because it was sure. (Hear,
hear.) They all perfectly well knew that they were
capable of sending Conservative members to parliament.
They did so triumphantly. And why did they do so ? To
maintain those great and glorious principles which were
near and dear to their hearts. (Applause.) They were in
parliament to repr,sent those great principles of the Church
and State and to protect the labourof the poor. There were
some gentlemen present who were the victims of improper
legislation, which he was sure the members for Liverpool
would do their. best to remedy whenever they had an op-
portunity of doing so. They hoped to remedy much of the
mistaken policy that had been pursued of late ; and their
members, he felt assured, would put their shoulders to the
wheel in right good earnest to remedy those mistakes.
(Cheers.) He would not occupy much of their time,
because be knew there were many hearts around that
board burning to have their say in this matter. So he
would not take their words out of their mouths, but
would simply content himself with asking them to drink
" Health, life, and prosperity to our Conservative Mem-
bers," and may they long remain true to their principles.
(Hear, hear.) He was perfectly sure of this, if he might
judge from what fell from the lips of Mr. Liddell, that he
agreed with the sentiments of Mr. Horsfall', and what the
principles of Mr. Horsfall were they all knew perfectly
well; they all knew that he was with them. Both would
no doubt do all in their power, and work in every shape
and form, to render Liverpool good service.. He was also
sure that the constituency of Liverpool would take them
as a whole, without reference to any small points of dif-
ference, for it were surely a sad thing to see a constituency
tie them down to satisfy every freak and fancy of each
individual elector. ( Laughter.) He concluded by calling
upon them to drink this toast in a bumper : " Health,
long life, and prosperity to the Hon. Henry Thomas
Liddell and Mr. Horsfall, and may they long remain the
members for Liverpool." (Cheers.)
Mr. LEADER then sang "Down among the dead men."

Mr. GEORGE HENRY- HOREFALL, OR rising, was re-
ceived with rapturous cheering, and with several rounds
of the Kentish fire. On the applause subsiding, he said
he had hoped, and not unnaturally, that the return of
his brother (Mr. T. B. Horsfall) to England would have
been the signal for his own disappearance from at least
the political surface of affairs ; but it seemed that in con-
sequence of the detention of their representatives in Lon-
don on parliamentary duties it devolved upon him to
return thanks in their behalf" for the very cordial-recep-
tion which bad been given to the toast so forcibly pro-
posed to the meeting by the chairman. (Hear,. hear.)
The success which had attended the members whose
health they had drunk was. to them individually a source
of the highest gratification and pride, and when reflecting
upon that success, he could assure the meeting that they
(our representatives) did not for a moment lose sight of
the great exertions which had been made in their behalf
by the chairman and canvassers of the ward of West
Derby ; and could they have been present that evening,

. . . . .
he knew that they would have been delighted to make
the acquaintance of many of those gentlemen whom he
saw around him upon this occasion, of whose services as
a body Mr. Liddell and Mr. Horsfall were well aware,
but whom they had not yet had the good fortune to make
_... . __

personal acquaintance with. (Cheers.) He could not,
although it might appear a very humble affair, regard
with indifference a festive gathering of some sixty or
eighty gentlemen to celebrate the return to parliament of
gentlemen holding the opinions which they themselves
advocated ; for he looked upon such meetings as mainly
conducive to strengthening that bond of union which was
at all times essential to their success, and more especially
in electioneering matters. (Cheers.) As a party they
had lately had two opportunities of testing their strength ;

and on the more recent occasion they-had had atest

applied to that strength, which he did not hesitate to
pronounce most unfair and dishonourable. (Cheers.)
They had not only the more straightforward and open
attacks of avowed enemies to deal with, but they had to
encounter the deceitful and insidious attacks of one who,
on former occasions, had professed to be their friend ;
he used the word advisedly—professed to be their friend,
for he believed that it was quite impossible Mr. Moore
could at any time, since he came to Liverpool, have
been heart and hand with the Conservative electors of
this borough, or he never could have allowed himself to
be placed in the singularly anomalous position which
he at present occupied. (Hear, hear, and great cheering.)
Whilst the names of the candidates were being discussed,
after the preliminary meeting which took place, Mr.
Moore came to him, and thanked him for the honour-
able part he had taken at that meeting towards him ;
and he told Mr. Moore then how strong the feel-
ing was against him, and that it was of no use
whatever his name being brought forward. Mr.
Moore appeared perfectly satisfied, and he (Mr Horsfall)
thought that the mere mention of Mr. Moore's
name at a preliminary meeting was highly compli-
mentary—(hear, hear)—sufficiently complimentary to a
gentleman who, after all, was but a comparative stranger
amongst them. (Cheers.) So far as he was personally
concerned, whatever intercourse he had with Mr. Moore
had always been of a satisfactory and pleasant nature,
and, so far as he (Mr. Horsfall) was concerned, he did not
care that it should ever be otherwise; but when they came
to matters political, he trusted that he for ono would never
forget the occurrences of the past month, and, whatever
Mr. Moore's political professions might be, he could never
place confidence in a gentleman who had deceived his
party as Mr. Moore had done. (Cheers.) So much for
Mr. Moore ; but, in drinking the health of their repre-
sentatives, they would not, he was sure, lose sight of the
fact that there was a possibility of that connexion being
severed. (" No, never," and laughter.) Well, he dare
say, they knew a great deal more of the facts than he did,

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and were more competent to judge of the extreme purity
—and he spoke with all due solemnity—with which the
election was conducted throughout the town, or at least
in West Derby Ward, in which they had exerted them-
selves with so much zeal and earnestness ; and he was
not surprised that they laughed at the idea of that con-
nexion being severed. But they must bear in mind that
the petition could not be gone into this session—(hear)—
that the petitioners had something like six months in
which to concoct a case ; and that amongst a constituency
of some 15,000 it would be odd, indeed, if there could not
be found a casual act of indiscretion. (Hear, hear.) He
believed, however, that recent events were sufficient to
have placed the most zealous on their guard ; and that
they would not for one moment forget discretion. He
believed that their opponents were deceiving themselves
on this occasion, as they did on the last. (Cheers.) No
doubt they were flattering themselves that they would
still find rosettes with sovereigns in them,—(loud laughter)
—or some other matters equally attractive, but which
prove equally fallacious when they come to be investi-
gated. tHear, hear.) Still they must bear in mind that
this petition hung over them ; and although they stood
in the proud position of knowing that it would be impos-
sible to prove anything of the kind imputed to them, it
was most unpleasant to be subjected to such annoyance.
(Hear, hear.) He thought they would always remember
the gentlemen to whom they were indebted for that
petition, Mr. Robertson Gladstone—(laughter and hisses)
—and Mr. George Holt, with their sureties, Mr. Eyre
Evans and Mr. Jeffery. (Laughter.) His friend, Mr. Bold,
who was better acquainted with these things than he (Mr.
Horsfall) was, informed him that the recognizances were
entered into by a London gentleman.
Mr. BOLD :—A London stockbroker. (Laughter.)
Mr. HORSFALL proceeded to say that he was sure they
must feel much indebted to the London gentleman for
the interest he took in Liverpool.
A VOICE :—And for the faith he has in the petitioners
(Laughter.)
Mr. HORSFALL continued :—As to that, he thought the
sureties had every reason to be satisfied at the pecuniary
resources of the petitioners. They were both, lie believed,
solvent men, and he had no doubt a very good specu-
lation could be made of the affair. (Laughter and cheers.)
And what could they say to the petitioners avowing they
were cognisant of the bribery which had taken place ?
(Shame !) He had endeavoured, very inadequately,
to thank them on behalf of the members ; and, before
he sat down, he asked to be allowed to claim on their
behalf the kind indulgence and forbearance of the con-
stituency. No one who had ever been to London and
come in contact with members of parliament, but must
be aware of the immense amount of labour which was
entailed upon those gentlemen ; and on that account he
called upon them to exercise a kind forbearance.
Mr. HORSFALL againrose,
ex tt. H
t eas and saids
et hwann
t ilt
cdl
ienvaotliNo' end,
upon him to propose the
and the modesty of the gentleman who sat at bis right

hand, (Mr. Rowett) besides his special request, induced
him to be exceedingly brief ; and he would only propose
to them the " Health of our worthy chairman, Mr.
Rowett." There was, perhaps, no gentleman at that
table who was not cognisant of the zealous and efficient
service he had rendered in bringing about that glorious
triumph which they were then met to celebrate. (Cheers.)
Mr. ROWETT, after a song from Mr. Lawson, briefly
responded, and expressed in the strongest terms his con-
tempt for the Radical party whose recent proceedings
have brought them into so much discredit. He felt the
very essence of contempt for them. He challenged thou
to prove that there was at the last election a single case
of bribery on the part of the Conservatives ; and asked, if
they .z.ally had any case, why didn't they at once state
what it was, so that it might be met. He knew nothing►
politically speaking, more disgusting than the conduct
which had been pursued by their opponents, whom he
could excuse even if they had the shadow of a chance of
returning one man to represent their opinions. (Hear.
hear.) He described them as composed one half of rene-
gades, professing first one set of opinions and then an-
other. (Hear, hear, and cheerio.) Mr. Robertson Glad-
stone, he had always understood, was a Conservative, but
heaven protect them from such Conservatives ! (A voice :
" And from Mr. Bramley-Moore.") Reference had been
made to Mr. Bramley-Moore, and he thought that gen-
tleman might fairly be put in the same boat with Mr.
Robertson Gladstone, as they would afford a remarkable
though painful illustration of political shipwreck. (Laugh'
ter and cheers).
Mr. THOMAS BOLD, who was greeted with loud and
prolonged cheering, said he had the permission of the
chairman to propose the next toast, and it was with feel-
ings of the greatest pleasure that he found himself once
more amongst the jolly good fellows cf West Derby Ward.
It was from the window of the room in which they were
assembled that, on a recent occasion, he made a declare'
tion, to which he would allude at once, before going into
any Weer subject, with regard to a proceeding of his which
had given rise to a great deal of discussion in the public
prints of Liverpool. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) From
that balcony he made a public declaration that he would
do so-and-so, and that pledge he carried out (hear, hear.)
But after consulting with his friends, he should not have
gone to the extremity he had done, had he not had reason
to believe that he had been betrayed—(hear, hear)--
which roused a sense of indignation, and induced him.
even at the risk of losing some of his most sincere friends,
to adopt the course he had done. (Hear. hear.) But, in
doing so, he had no intention whatever of compromising
the Conservative party in Liverpool, and what he did was
entirely on his own responsibility. After Mr. Godfrey's
letter,—(hear. hear,)—which had been published in the
Courier and Liverpool Times, it was scarcely necessary
for him to say anything further, that gentleman having
• borne him out that what he related, as told him by Mr.
Bigham, was substantially true. (Cheers.) Mr. Bighorn
had taken upon himself to deny that what he (Mr. Bold)
said in the Dock Committee was founded on truth ; there-
fore there was lie No. 1 somewhere—he did not say where.
(Cheers and laughter.) Mr. Godfrey had stated that what
he said was correct, and had it not been so he should have
been unworthy to sit at that table or anywhere else.
(Loud cheers.) Mr. Bold then proposed " The Conserve"
tire Association of West Derby Ward," and in the course
of his remarks took occasion to compliment Mr. Rowett,
Mr. Whatham, and Mr. Brakell, and the other members
of the West Derby Association, whose energetic exertions
had contributed so much to the success of the Conserva-
tive cause. Alluding to the petition of Messrs. Gladstone
and Holt, he understood that Mr. Coppock was expected
here to-day or on Sunday, to endeavour if possible to
make out a case against our present members. (Laughter.)
Up to the present time he had good authority for saying
that there was no case at all against the Conservative
party, and yet Mr. Robertson Gladstone and Mr. George
Holt had signed a petition stating that our representativeS
had been guilty of bribery and treating. Now, that ae9
gentleman in Liverpool should pen such a document as
that, was perfectly degrading, and he did not believer
when they signed it, and sent it to the House of Cora'
mons, they really believed that Mr. Horsfall or Mr. Lid..
dell had bribed any man living. (Hear, hear.) Ile
thought, however, that they should be prepared for an
contingency which might arise ; and in case Liverpoo
should be deprived of her present representatives, either
' through the partiality of a Radical committee, or ael
other influence which might be brought to bear, let 001
again unite heart and hand in returning Conservative
members. (Great cheering.)
Mr. Ellis having favoured the company with a soap
Mr. WHATHAM, in an energetic and able speech, is
the course of which he stimulated the Conservatives 01
West Derby Ward to renewed and increased and 551-
tematic exertion, acknowledged the toast.
Next followed a Bong from Mr. Bailey, and then th 3
CHAIRMAN proposed " The Councillors of the Ward,
which was suitably acknowlcd4ed by Mr. Woon. 11,6
other municipal representatives of West Derby, in"
Arthur Henderson and Mr. Beckwith, were, it was re'
gretted, unable to attend, the former gentleman being °II
the continent. Derby
Mr. Woon proposed " The Canvassers of West De
.0
Ward," which was acknowledged by Mr. BRAKELI.
spirited speech which elicited loud bursts of laughter an

cheers.
Mr. ADAMS here favoured the company with a song,
afterwards,
The CHAIRMAN proposed the health of Mr. 80ld--a
toast which was received with loud plaudits and several
rounds of the Kentish fire. When he (the chairman) saw'
a gentleman upholding the principles of their great cause.
as Mr. Bold did—dedicating to its promotion his best ever'
gies and his valuable time—sacrificing for its s Ike social
and domestic comfort—he could not but propose with all
cordiality to his health and happiness, to show him that
they were thankful for his exertions ; and that, although
he might have allowed his zeal in the cause to lead him
into what some considered an indiscretion, he for one
thought Mr. Bold had done quite right, and he had el
doubt many of them present thought, too, that be had
dons quite right. (Cheers.) He knew this, that they
were ad of opinion that Mr. Bramley-Moore did not get
more than he deserved • though some think Mr. Bold wee'
a little indiscreet. (and cries of " Not a bit of it !")
Mr. BOLD acknowledged the compliment, and in doing
so, attributed the present petition to the course taken by Mx'
Bramley-Moore, who, by allowing himself to be put for'
ward, induced the Radical party to contest the election.
in the hope that they would benefit by the disunion which
it was expected would be created amongst the Conserve,:
tives. He advanced this view of the case as one whiel
had made a very strong impression upon him, and cause"
him to adopt the course which he had pursued with re;
spect to Mr. Bramley-Moore, at whose conduct—folloWe'
by such a result—he was, of course, most indignant.
to his services in the cause, Mr. Bold stated that since
,‘
last February twelve months—and that was a long time to
look back to—he had been almost daily engaged in the
Conservative cause. First, in assisting to make arrange'
meats for the past election but one; subsequently in Prr
paring for and opposing the petition ; and since that 1It;
connexion with the recent election. And what he ha(
done heretofore, he was willing still to do for the sake s°
the cause in which they were engaged. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. Lund having given a song, the next toast, "The
Town and Trade of Liverpool," was proposed: by tli
VICE-CHAIRMAN, and responded to by Mr. Jas. Ros Eel.
SON, which was followed by " The Constitutional Asee:
ciation, and a better organisation to the Conservative
strength in the sixteen Wards," given in a spirited pee
by Mr. WRATH/ill, who, in the course of his speech',
repudiated the idea of Mr. Bold being the Dictator 02;
Liverpool,. as their opponents had sneeringly rerearke.e_
He mentioned. in confirmation of this, that he adsutt:
as good a claim to such a title ; because, he it wa wh _
proposed, at the aggregate meeting of the Conservative
representatives of the several wards, that Messrs. Horsfall
and Liddell should be nominated as members for Liver"
pool—(hear, bear)—which was agreed to with only one
dissentient voice. The speaker concluded by gal
that Mr. Bremner, it was expected, would have repl
to this toast ; but, unfortunately, he had been unable 0'
attend. He, therefore, called upon Mr. Horsfall to r‘e:
spend; which that gentleman did in a brief and Pit"
speech.
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tthoe that
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rayn fo r the
Mr. MARSHALL proposed Mr. Tattersall's health
relative to him, and which
construction that had been affixed to it, What he mean
0
was not intended tco"abeara
to say was, that Mr. Tattersall was not " one of IPA
right sort for their party." The proposition was seconee'
by Mr. WHATHAM in very flattering terms.
Mr. TATTKRSALL accepted the apology, and his health'
was drunk with much cheering.
Mr. BOLD then proposed the health of the Vice-chair'
man, as a staunch Conservative, and one to whose exer'
tions they were deeply indebted.
This toast having been duly acknowledged in ad
amusing speech, containing a variety of electioneering re,'
miniscencea, the pleasant proceedings came to a terao-
nation.
It is only justice to the worthy, host of the very
Coffee-house (who, by the way. ts said to bear , the
striking resemblance to Mr. Coppock), to say that,
an
utmost satisfaction was expressed at the quality a
generous supply of the viands and wines. irttt7ivit

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PROMOTION.—Grace, the detective, was promoted froc,
the rank of the first-class detectives to that of an ins Peso
tor, on Saturday last, by the Watch Committee. 10 ;Iv,
promoted on the recommendation of the Head Consta

for five years' good conduct. Arl•
DANGEROUS PRACTICE.—On Friday a servant vig,
Jane Conbrie by name, while cleaning a chamber wina°6l4
fell from the sill into the garden, a distance of twenty:
feet. No bones were broken, but she was taken up I'lo
state of insensibility, having sustained a severe injure
the spine, from which there is little hope of recovery
Mr. MARSHALL, of South Shields, has launched
iron screw-steamer for Mr. Threlfall, of Preston. 11s
is to trade to the Ribble. Her dimensions are :—l4eit of
of keel, 152 feet ; length over all, 172 feet ; bresZ;efl
beam, 22 feet ; depth of hold, 12 feet 10 inches. Pa"

two 30-horse engines.
FURS.—The number of foreign buyers at the 011.,ceS
Bay Company's late sale considerably affected the PIO
of furs. Skins have not realised, for many years, so
prices ; some lots of Sables fetched fifty shillings sair
Mr. John Cripps, of Bold-street, anticipating the advi
fortunately bought a great number of skins prevrie,t of
the sale, and will have manufactured, by the nr'relit
August, nearly one thousand boas in Mink sable,h Ito
ermine, very choice, Miniver, and Chinchilla, w'llei"cors'
will offer all at one guinea each. Of these, he feels
vinced, equal value cannot he given in the season -,;011f,
thirty-five shillings; also, a variety of dark sables, eiflrson
cheap.—Shawl, Mantle, and Fur warehouse, No, '"
16, Bold-street, Liverpool. John Cripps, proprietor.Apo
THE THEA.TRES.—On Saturday night the Roln-
phitheatre was crowded, owing to the appearance, ait/
night only, of the veteran Vandenhoff, in his fav°l,oll°
play of " Cato." Though Time has laid his heavY
upon him, his performance was chaste, and full of PP bto
On the fall of the curtain, he was called to the footlig,ro
and greeted with enthusiastic bursts of applans.,
Theatre Royal was re-opened last evening, wept. 11°
Charles Matthews commenced a limited engageron,niarces;
will appear during the week in several PlaYs 811" -c1657
and we hope Mr. Copeland's efforts to procure first_ 40.
entertainments for the play-going public will
ras Of
cient support to justify him in keeping open _ e _as
able theatre for a longer period than be has g_efigitiel
been able to do. Mr. Bueltstorto awl Mrs, rili"
will shortly appear.