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have sworn
to protect. ' .
1 1. them, but do we see them entinne l'''''Pl'"y, so itrovoldnfAv true, contains
ward toth it • tor- , sir, to be greve.. Thi,
- • .assistatitee—do we see them atternpthie tim ;elle. ! a statement petyl.inely lake aeotinst She Res: Sll. o•Su!liven.
eV tia '
tte ell (ii tress • - tees" sas promised to do? Instead of +teeing. I Neither ou any former oectisioin tier on this day, hes'he intered
them .c.,,a . -
hie for -,•.1,e for tit tell the people that
they are honestly ha ' atty niise charge aestiost the cireitee a reet„,_„,ete„. has
e_seettlit-:ntlfilinent of their promises, end in honesty hound to he tit-tried one syllable; whieh; in the inind Of any impattittl
7..._
,i.r, teem, we see them standing forward to increase the, tnen, contains, a vestige of personality. (Hear, hear, and
~,'''''..!, In such a time ii it fittingnnat men should be ashamed , eiteers.) If so, where are the proofs ? .It is easy to
''' 31,11111 in, forward -• ' • sr• '' • • • .•
t5.,,,,i
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~ e in sie.ence ot their print tides? We hear • cry out '1 M isrepi•esentation !" ``Calumny!" With all their
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.11 pallets that there is pease prevailing in Ireland. We otaer adjuncts; hut, let moe
ask, who'are the miseepiesenters of
illutioreittigratulated- on all• hands that Ireland is at peace, while the Church o( Reuse? ‘Vlio are the celumnietors? es Who is
tat peace so called the rights of the clergy are all buried, the 1111.11 that advances false tiliarges against that Church ? Mr.
Bed the
peuee
~, very meu who now seek assistance .prove that this - Chairmah, suppose the Archbishop of Canterbury had an object
fell i„'‘,1101 Peace;—it is only repose which is taken, while the to obtain with some Sociniau cotninunity, and that he perceived
li2.n.sber of tyranny elutobers. Yea, altiomets this peace is that, in order to obtain his object, that Secinian community
that it i y occasioinal.shocks yet thesenof themselves indicate must be-Made to think well of his church and himself. And
„,,...,,,,.6 only a slami,er Tiloseirighte which the powerful es- soppose him going to them .tuck saying, "I do entreat you nut
lvvc.ctilit,e,..,,7,,re to protect are violated. (Loud. cries of "Hear.") to intarken to the bigotted ruisrepeesentations of intetested in-
cattimAire' to
hear that the rihts of ministers- of the gospel tlividuals, who represent my church as now maintaining the
na,,,, recovered, that then taw is impotent Mel-tell. Cehalf, mysterious dogmas of the Trinity and the incarnation—it is
iii_t),ll :the same sentenee, to heir of rejoicMgebectiuse in true she did hold these things in a firmer age ;—(llear,
~an. ntry ever thing is at peace—to scare away from the hear, and loud continued cheers;)—hut she has become more en-
kta" Processit tlightened by associating with you liberal gentlemen, and does
of ~,,e(. in tae '.lassed looks Ilan hitoken the hears-sickness
14:-,,1 hopes—hisl the ininisters of the Gospel and Young, fami- that hold those doctrines now. Nothing but the veriest deter-
inrt_ beck to their sorrow•fulabutles—to bid them there waste snination to calumniate can perievere in ascribing to her those
ti!'al'lli. the unseen dreath and, when some victim of conciliation dirk and mysterious dogmas." l'his would sound wen—it,
011,7t1;111:ers from the treacherous tranquillity over which the hark might throw dust in many eyes. But suppose a Sueinian to,
is carefully eweepiug, to forget him so soon as the ripple stand 'up tvho bad the liberty of examining for himself, anti say,
oil the
e, •t "'Nee has been sineothed—so eonn as the wail for his Your Grace, may I take the liberty to inquire, have you not
Cparture
- has died away, and the heart it broke still, and to col- sinned the thirty-nine articles? Are not the doctrines in clues-
_
lect all the
romantic sensibilities of the liberal and enlightened, tint there? 0, your GSace, your Grace! You have two ob-
that they
,e, . may grace and cheer the misuse of the lawless wretch jests in view : one amongst your own people by signing the ar-
;l4laitni s. been made an instrument to du wrong, not knowlng tides ; the other amongst us by denying the doctrines you
trivee'e did, or of the caitiff who has for his own base ends con- have sworn to. 0, your Grade, the Church of England. does
this; . the crime and stimulated the offender—is it in a time like lioldthese doctrines. Your Grace must stand or fail by; them.
wantonly
it should ;be'accounted wrong to aim at asserting rights so At-id yet you come ti, deny them. Ilia you are detected: your
%.7.,atelo.lily invaded? Oh, sir, it is a nerarieus strife which is church is still- basbareus, and yourselves—We Socinians are too
nSteg d aeliinst ecclesiastical property in. Ireland. Nut only is pulite to say what yoli are.". (Laughter and cheers.) Who
111,estruggie denied with a eon, au,: petioreii.violation of a most is the man, diet), thtit inisrepte•eents the Church of Rome ? Is
i'llt.._l:in compact, but the instruments blindly incited to engage it the Rev. Mortnner p'Suiiivau or the most Rev. Dr. Mtir-
l.a.nite strug,gle put their bodies and souls in peril without the ryy.—(Cheers.) lie is: the-misrepresenter of Popery, becadse
1 !tie eat prospect that . they can be benefited he the issue._ he.is the denier of h•te established formularies. I shall have
;`.,1, • ' r.) Would the ProteStant in Ireland protith by the extinc- occasiiin to advert, amid shad de it as briefly as possible, to a
'lV:.er the clerwyman's righte. If he did. we could understand few of those formulariee, in order to fasten' more satisfactorily
de',F•elliere was 'design in his dishonesty, - Hepould our pay a the charge uptm the church
.of Rome, whose doctrines anti
„tale beCause his creditor say a Protestant clergyman, and to their practical operation -in these days has called our Pro-
`,,eailiount he withlield-frorn hint he Vises enriched. But it is testant Association into existences—( I lean hear! and cheers.)
~,Iltknown that the mere abolition of 'tithe could produce no You have heard, sir, and this whole assembly have heard,
l•Z. :d.effect ; the landlord would still exact the vtilue of his land, where the accretlited formularies of the church of Rome ate to
let
hisuerightens the abhorrence with which this warfare against be found. The creed of Pope Pius IV. has been again and
fir. ch Property is regarded, to remember that its victims are again alluded to :.it has been • set forth, nut merely by Pro-
tTgi ill la
class who suffer, as all ackuow iedge, so undeservedly, testant misrepresenters, as we are calumniously, and falsely
, and ammo; those who can derive no advautage from the suffer- called, but by Roman' Catholics -themselves, as the most
Logs_ they inflict : and that these who benefit by the war, incur authentic summary of their finenularies. Dr. Milner, the
';',Orse of its dangers, so far aS this world is concerned, and un- ;author of the celebrated book testiest l'"The End of Coutro-
", r tend thoroughly the oblieet ions %el ich•ehotild have dissuaded versy," ayhe creed or Pius IV. is eVery where received and
teem from ; '''' • -..
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thane ,in prime:mg it.—(Cheers.)- But, sir, on the part of professed, as the groupilwork of Cuthoiicism ; and Doctor.
say,
'cola whom I have besot privileged to ton I feel that I may Doyle, wheneexanmied before a cominittee of the House of
and in my own name I most solemnly affirm that the tno- Lords, slid," The most approved stud authentic summary of
tiles aseribedtott4-arealtitethir the invention of him who im- the eel
a the•
•Chuieh
andem Will be found in the deereee
Petes them. of the Councit or Trent in tin: • ft' • ft•h b P.
ant
Most Wi”iiw'y Would I scathe Church of Engl. I pits es o ait y Pius.
In Irela;ndmade ."
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• . ' • I IV.. itiel in whit we call the ltienisti catechism or the Council
hp
le. , subject to a fair trial. • !Host witengly would 1
~,e r.,:every complaint eeainst her examined—every iusinuation. of '!'rent_". Similar ties the. answer of Doctor Murray
sitagainst her doctrines or her temporalities, estitteated to the Commissiouere of the Melee of Commons.—(Hear.)
it Its (hie importance; and any charge, which was for her good - Yon'obsee -now that the creed or Puts
the 4th is here referred
.Id the national welfare, and the interests a religion fearlessly hY the'lls"ly"'• You hive beard one pessage if that creed
iargied into execution of the Chisreh of En2land, that 1 arraign '
, already read' by 7,1 r. O'Sullivan- 1 will not read the whole;
'bile doctrines of Rome. My motives are euch as I dee'are them bite refer to it to set it again before your minds :—".Like-
r.explaining, wherever men assemble, the justice of the all other things delivered, defined, and declared by the sa-
eth4.i.i";
~ Which they had once diStinctly acknowledged. Ni,, cred canons anii the general councils, and particularly by. the
"Y hvie orm.privilsige by s•tvearitoe, an oath—they inav convert sacred Council of 'Freon I toiliesitatingly receive and profess."
11)rtavilege into power by breaking, it ; and many who had `This occurs in the form of the oath taken by every Rowel' Ca-
"e•lged themselves toletimlv to support the minister in his died- tholie clergyman oti his induetion to a benefice. It binds
host
witless, ' fll that i• • .i. n • d•l e
, ale °mid to be raising_ up the difficulties and crew- !(;" . s t...) tame ii th couneils, especially that ofTrnt.
lag the perils be trhich his rinhts are to -he overborne. If I lie Council- of Trent, at its; 25th session, declares e,oncerning
in k state of thihesS like this, it was. an object to expose the the 4th Council Of Lateran, held under innocent the 3d, that it
por.ineiples and purposes 4 those who would sap the foundations was a yodel-al council, and in the 21th session, of the same coun-
, er-tinht by fraud; and shake them by vitilence. there is surely cil, it is (led-tired te be a sacred cOuncil. The Coo
it
of Late-
...1'791111 in such an,
,object which deinand's -citneeelmeete and ren declares, that "secular princes shall, if necessttrv, be com-
le.ll the timeintiresuch that gentle words must be sptiken, and pelb2cl if they desire to lie accounted fiiithful that for the
Jet iadignatiou smothered, when ciretitnetahees of great error- defence of the Isiah they shall publicly make oath that
laity are hinted at—when melt have ;so forgotten the terms in thee' •eill endeavour, bone fide, with all their might. to hat
perjury and lender should be denouticed, that a Itornish tirpate from' their kinigdoins all heretics marked by the
)!'",np shall boastfully de-claim:upon the suceessful issue of the elmreh. And. the object of it is stated at the end of the next
11°Ienee which he was sworn to repress—When the government paragraph :—" That the heretics being exterminated, good ea-
rall be found conning congratulations on what it pleases to thoiics shall; without contradiction, posse=s the land, and pre-
",'.r.rn the tranquillity of the realm, while every now and then serve it in the purity of the faith." (Hear, hear.) Sir, 1 al-
sn ieks are fearfully felt, and warnings fitfully uttered, which ways feel, whether in speaking myself on these subjects, or ob-
Proclaim. the stillness of deceit—while, wherever the calm-re- serving the effect of other persons in speaking, that the neces-
maills unlit oken, it is but as the repose in which violence re- sary detail in order to gather elements for our conclusion,
etuits itself when it, has triumphed over law, would it be nuns- leecomes somewhat heavy and tiresome to the listeners. But
tul'al were we to speak Of those wrongs anti sufferings which we without some patience and attention you cannot get at an
tare made to endure? If 1 might be allowed to introduce an realty worth carryin;e away. I shall endeavour to relieve you
"*regularitv, sir, into your meeting, I would prove that our de- presently by a different species of address, but at present I must
sighs are sinwle Dr. Murray has said that the Church of crave your attention. 'lle creed of Pius IV. contains this
England ''' '
unless she reforms her homily, and the Church of statement, in the oath administered to the priests,—that they
Scotia. A' - •
n her catechism, neither have any right to complain of fess and rece e
"unhesitatingly pro • iv ail that is contained in their
hens, As to the Church of Scotland she will not he slow to do general...councils, especially the Council of Trent." Turn to
_ her duty. (Hear, hear.) The Church of England I hope, and Trent—'f rent turns,them back to another, which it cabs gene-
!}ae is called upon for it, will do hers. Our church prouniinces ral and sacred. 'lurn to the other,. and it binds them to the
that in her homilies are sound doctrines, but our church does liersecution unto extermination of heretics.—( Hear.) So that
not say,
dues not believe, that every word in them is perfect, or the oath of the yriesta binds them to the creed of Pope Pitts
that eVerY word is inviolable in anything but the Holy Scrip- IV,—Pius IV. fonds them to Trent,—Trent binds them to La-
tures. gut Dr. Murray charges us with being wrong, in the teran,—and Lateran binds them to the extermination of heretics.
very outwork of our church. He charges us at once with here- —(Applause.l This is the line of argument. There is another
3Y, and with caring less for doctrines than interests. Might it armored from which a similar conclusion may be deduced. The
net she expedient' to address a letter to Dr. Murray, calling cation law of the Church of Rouse is anotlier of her authentic
uPon him distinctly to name' the grounds of his accusations, documents, with the contents of which she is justly chatgeable.
agetinst our church. (Loud cheers.) The letter might be Its definition has been giveh by Dr. Murray, in an examination
'aritten in some such way as the following; not that I would before a select committee of the House of CoMmons, on the 17th
Prescribe a direct form, but it might be a sort of platform on Me y, 1825. From this we learn, that when a decree collies forth
wllich the substance could be placed. Thus:—" Most reverend from the Pope, concerning matters of doctrine, if net dissented
sir.—you you'ha,..,3 been leased to inculpate the Church of Hug- from hy, a majority eft the bishops of the church dispersed; it by
land by a statement which insinuates that 'she teaches doctrines their silence assumes the aspect of the opinion of the church,
of equal iniquity with those set forth- by Professor -Dens. :On which is infallible, and thereupon becomes binding on every
catholic,
ttehelf of the Church of England I call upon you to name the ulic. Here is the eighth volume of Dens. It contains tle-
grounds of such sin ai•easation, and so far fiom being augry or cress from Popes, put forth in the very manner specified in the
visiting y.out reply with opprobrium, I hereby state that we shall question andanswer ehibedied in the examination of Dr. Mur-
thhnk• Yott; for the coriimunication, and that if you make it Tay' It contains decrees not dissented frotn—decrees now by
knonrn to us ;that there are in our, church any such gross Dr. Murray'e own last letter asseuteit to.
,Therefore these bulls
leleanishei ma thle doctrines of not keeping faith' awl the hunt- •of the Pope's being put forth as a challenge to the bishops of
log to death or heretics, you will find us diligent in prosecuting the church dispersed, to ascertain whether they believe in and;
the,Ptmedies for the reitttv'el of such blemishes. of the existence accede to the doctrines contained iu those bulls, and hi-tying
,4 .which we. never hitherto had any notion." Might it not passed niuster,—teat is; the dispersed bishops nut haViug'dis-
I, s, sented fruintlient, nay, rather having actually assented to them,
a expedient, to address a letter of this sort to the reverend
doctor ? Wily do we oppose the doctrines of -the Church of —beiceme . the rtile of the Roman Cathone Church, and in tha
I
Rome e It is because -"their doctrines are false ! (Cheers.) latiguage of Dr. Murra every cetholic is bound to subiliit to
I trust there is. not elle who hears me who would not be as them. I; twill read a passage from ; one- of them. It occurs at
ready to cry out . agitinst the, Church of England as agai„st page 176 of the eighth volume of Dens, under the head of
the (l'hurch of ilotue,_ if he could lind that her doctrines were liestitutio : •
dt,!,4,,,,, Lea by it e stone iniquity• eve should la, wining. to „Real property taken.by,an enemy in an unjust war, suppose
clifilifid"-at °nee if we c,m1,1 sett in our svatem the' saute errors by pirates, infidels, heretics, am., oven if ;t be bought by the.
that w.e, see in the Chilled-. of Beene. They were errors of lore; fai.Vlll—( bi ottani.. a fiCletib I" )C ought, nevertheless, to be
stitudiug: I hope that those members of -the Charc•lt of Rome ,-restored to its proper owner, nu price being exacted for the
in Ireland, Syhti will speedily see bow they have beets misled, same, which decree was formally Londe by the congregation for
'tilil who if they find that thee, cahoot t torm the errors of that propagating the faith, in the yew. 163(i, whose opinion Benedict
church, ..yill at once contemn (slit. (Hear, hear, and cheese.) >•••
er IV. admits in his Epistle to P. Nicoleus Lercari. the secretary
of the same congregation. (Bullarium, tom. hi, No. 57.) .Brit
f n tort spirit of the words of Your report 'wit! I conclude pre
xis to Chattel property, the saute congreghtion thought that it
sinus to the propesal a the ritsithition-which has been entrusted
should be restored .by • the purchasers to its hateful owner, the
toitne, those words which' express your-firth and deliberate do -
twice for which itesas bouelii being, however, exacted from him.
termination " that the /mann-its of Gthi muet not be set aside ;
In this, however, Benedict eilV. does not prunouuce his judg-
that there is revealed truth; that both rulers anti people May
wt."
'lntl em lit to know its that both rulers and people are bound to
This decree was formally made,by the congregation for pro-
give it practical reverence in their cettutil chamber', in the
ma gating the faith in 1630. Here is a decree from the• Pope
seuete-house, in the schottl, in .the family, as well its the closet • I
respecting the restitution of forfeited property: It is put forth
that if auyOf.our fellow-evittrymen b 1 ignorant of this high
to the dispersed bishops. They do not ilissent;—it be a
Principle and the duties consequent thereon, they should be
couditiou of the church—the infallible rule to which every Ca-
instructed ; if any have forgotten, they should be reminded;
tholic is bound to submit. (Hear, hear.) 'lbis is in the hook
if any. be heeitating they should be- decided ; if any he timid,
nchosen for the teaching of the Catholic priests. There is
theyfor-
should be encout•siged; if any be supine, they' should be
stimulated. Su that our rulers may know, kind the nation may felled property in Ireland now, and every- one is bound to submit
the very moment that outward circumstances will allow to die
Know, and the whole 'ci‘ilized world may know, that England
'and the Bible are so linked together that no infidel philosophy, restitutiou of that property to its original ownen—yea, though
such may, in the mean time, have been purchased by the faith-
ne cereal ,esenproinise, uo unnatural coalition between the
disciples -Of liberality and the discildes of intolerance can ful. (Hear, and cheers.) The defence made against the charge
dissolve tlie indissoluble bend. And that tel liberalism shall here brought against the Church of Rome before the House or
aye su6l.!efred in extingetishinte the voice of conscience, when Commune was—"lt is impossible we can contemplate the resti-
11Mery shall have succeded in enthroning the doennas of her tution Of property in Ireland." Why? " I3ecause a large
apostacy iu the chair of unqaeslioned infallibility, when in- Proration of the forfeited property has been bought by Oaths,-
lidelii y shall have succeeded in burning up the last copy of the lies. The reason sufficed to, blind the committees. it con-
Bible as a scroll, when atheism shall hive succeeded iuexpelling vinced some of our senators. Mr. Blownlow gave it as his
the liVilig God fsoui his own creation, then, btu not before reason for changing his opinion respecting what Was called
droll England be deprived of her constimtitse, the palladium of Catholic emaneiliation• Yet the case thus put forth as the satis.
"'id met religions' liberty among. niankind.'"rhis is the (sing cireunistence is one of the very cases supposed in the de-
civil
in which protestants should meet tegether. (Loud and eree and provided fur: "Si emantur a fitielibas. "rhotwil it be
, Hag continued cheering.) Tio, reverend gentletnan concluded bought by the faithful it must he restored. (Cheers.) But the
tiy uinviag "That the report he adopted, printed, and circulated." most Reverend Doctor Murray and others have sworn to the
T. Poese en, Esq , briefly seconded the motion, which w-as contrary. Here is the declaration made on oath of the arch-
carried unanimously. bishops and bishops of the Church of Ireland to the late Lord
The Rev. 1-/- M!Nnttn rose to propose the nex! resolution, Liverpool:
and was greeted is ith euthusiastic cheers. lie said,—Mr.Chair- "l‘lie Catholics of Ireland, far from claiming any right or
loan, ladies. and gentlemen, I had fully expected that the time title tieforfeited lands resulting from any right, title, or interest
of the meeting would have been occupied, not only by our re- which their anceettas may have bad therein, declareupou oath,
;•erenti friend who has just addressed you; but by our absent that they will defend to the utmost of their power, the settle-
larother the Rev. Robert M`Gliee, of whom I need say no more meta' and arrangement of property in-this country-as established
than that his defence is.as :tintile, as his accusation is aeriinoni- by the laws now in being. They also disclaim, disavow, anti
"s• I mention it to account 'tor my comparative non-prepara- solemnly abjure any iutentiun to subvert the present church
tiou to „ccapy the place iu „,hich 1 now clam! • I say e prepa. establishment for the purpose of substituting a Catholic estab-
lj°ll," becauee I wood unfeignedly *think front tressptissing on lishment in its stead. And, nuttier, they swear they will not
the indulgence of my leiiel friends whom I see around me, and exescise any ,priviiege to whick they. are or may be entitled, to
whose iuduigtince I have indeed previously experienced,-1 disturb :Ind weaken the Protestant religion and Protestant
‘,.°"141 nufei,i,nedly shriek front presuming to occupy the post- governaeut its Ireland.",
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t'"11 in whirl, 1 suit', w itloo.lt ha vi I) g made the fullest ili'l most New, observe thls,---the Pope puts forth a decree that .real
Intineneking preperatien that time innd opportunity would her. Property taken by enemies is to be restored. 'ibis goes forth to
°lit. But, 1 *apt also, '• cempariitive non-prepar:ltioo,,,—h,_ the bishops of the church dispersed. !Thee do not object to it,—
v'mlso, Sir, I thank my Gud• througa Jesus CI • •tour Lord,
.1, • tits it becomes time law of the church infallible, and every Catholic
that •the ' . ' ' .
,- lu mouse vi. 1. iiaestautistu, welch is the cenee of ever- is bound to enbinit to it. Dr. Alusray and his coadjutors, the
Luting truth, hi, has.not left ine to be sit time weeny ulliere- archbishops and bishops of Ireland, are asked by England's
pared.
.(LoulTeheariest.) . NOW, Sir, I W. 414 take the liberty, Prime 'Minister, what their opinions and deterininations are
!" the first place, of addressing a few' words to any individuals resoection forfeited entoe•-tv. They know the ',Pope sent this
in this vast aseembly, who may be uufm
rientily to the objeet for; —the know they did ne, e•-jset to it—they know not ohjecte
which this meeting is couvened. I would request such persons ing to it) it - has become the 'eafellible rule of 'the
courtesy
to remetnees whet I dauto nut, will he received as a truth by the. "'cry Catholieiß bound to.sutimit to ii. And te•hat sit ?
intelligent persons hefOrp:me, that public meetings of anything " Sosfar fromnieknewledging line right or title to forfeited Smite,
'approaching to the dimensieris of the present are not suitable we declare upon oath that 7e eeill, defend, to the utmost of our
arenas for teetmlotrical diseeissionst. 'rhe subjects invol -.red iti such Powere the present arrangement." .Who then is the niisrepre-
t,liscuisio„,. demand patience,—they demand invest4;a!ion,— senter ef the cllurch of ilereieivho, is the caluniniater 1 Sir,
'c'sfore a verdict can with any Propriety lie pronounced. '!'here- it.is guile obvious that it •wittild nut have auswered the purposes
"'re, while public' meetings are adinirable Mediume for giving, of the church-tit Rome honeetly It
have acknovsleclged the.p
an impulse to already wilting minds, they are altogether unsuit- ciples contained in this and similar books which are the infallible
°isle places for theological discussions. Therefore, if 'any of rules.qf their. church. It is obvious that such anacknowledg-
u°' Roman Catholic fellow townsmen should next week, or the ment would have created an "real amajtirity against them in
week after, at their Own convenience. choose to coevene a pub- this country as to have rendered utterly hopeless any idea of
their regaining their political aseeudancy. What then .witS to
~",e meeting at this place, and appoint their speakers and give
' rib tickets, and declare that the meeting is rett for discussion, be (lone? flow were these decuments to be Maintained in un-
disputed power over the Roman Catholic minds and at the same
nnil that no person will be allowed to speak, but under the di-
time to be concealed from the impertinent and premature curi-
re. section of the chair, I will venture to promise for the Proles-
osity of Protestants ? Here was a problem to be staved. We
Laut community of thiS town;—if any of them come into this
may imagine some such debate going on as this, " One wey to
ticket,—that
on such an occasion, aud with the privilege of such it
accomplish our object will be to secure that these I ...jACIIIIIPrits
Now
they will remain quiet. and wive Ito disturbance to
shall not be translated into the vulgar tongue ;—keep them in
eeeir Roman Catholic neighbour's. (Vehement; cheering.)
Latin, that is the first thing.: well: but sonic Protestants know
Now, sir, among the various characters which have been lavishly
Latin. (A laugh.) Ave, we are sorry for it, but we must (heck
t,rtil vey_ gratuitously bestowed on me of late, one has been
the citculatiep of the'Latin books as much as we. can. And
Li" of is prophet. (ie. laugh.) I lay no claim neither heve I
what more intuit we do? Oh! we bishops must swear that we
ever done so, to so bieh an office- I Id ' desire
, riot as o to make •
nlYsel do not agree to the doctrin ....
es. Most people in England -.
, . Will be-
t_ f agreeable te all my friends, and as it is never too
lieve,us; many of them know, nothing about the matter, and
41v to do well, behold, I shall make my first attenapt. and ut-
terthe few whodo, will, nothe believed against the solemn oath of the
K prophecy. (Leughter and cheers.) In the course of the
following archbishops and bishops.. We will raise the cry of `Vin bigotry,
week there :hail he a puzzle in the minds of some of
[save
"esteemed contenitioraries, as the gentlemen of the press —no calumny • '—this will fall in with the liberal temper of time
"eve it. eo le of Fnglend and we shall trod no difficulty in raising, a
.what they are to do as to a representation- of this meet- p• p• < , • . . ,
tog;_.. and there shall appear a paragraph healed "Change Elo- cry of `no bigotry.' wheet out opt oneuts will have,to stein the
'Pence and Tory Misrepresentation.". (Tremendous cheer- whole tide of popular opnion. But those few inconvenient
tog an ' ; and will read will att •• -
Pi otestants who know leatill,e , empt to ratte
r (I laughter.) It will run after this feshion,—(conlinued
'R"Vhtee —" T 1
re .• ,) is'Tories are at their old works,—(continued . against-anithat of 'nnP I • ,
nee, y . But see, they wilt have the whole
for a s;tiiile-1 hope tint al-
inoghter e—of bieotr • end
lie eet," • ) t calumny against their Roman Catho- tide of public opinion against them
be able to raise cry of ' -
1,... • low-subjects. (Laughter.) They had, another exhibi- ways. (Cheers.) They will not _ , that
and we will be able to rets.e a erY, ot no bigotry.' If
totten last 'ruesclay, in the Ampitheatre,--(cheers anti laugh- POPerY,'
ntr.)—at which a person who calls himself the Rev. Mortimer the nation believe them, we shall lie beaten; if the nation be-
P Btiiiiv,„,_(continued lo"ghter,)—added to his already 'lone I sieve us for a while, we shall gain such power that we trill pre-
atilsit of false charges against the Catholic Church,—(cheers Ole
! sent's. let them all see Dens—we will not be afraid of them."
~ d. floe content with the vague expressions of polemical situ - ! This is precisely the position of the conflict at the present mos
;ration. he assailetl, with the most disgusting pe„„„tit i„; ment. The.tiatjurl has believed them—it h'is believed prat
,f,,tt tneeleest of all meek prelates, the most Rev. Dr. Murray." callY; .It 'has acted upon its chariteble, belief, and if it should
Krill soon have end
the van-
pit , beers and laughter.) The prophecy is not vet quit, finish_ persevere as it is now ii)jug, then
,1•"---(Isissighter.)—I still suPP""a ntYself reading' from •i our tage gwound they airs at. , (Cheers.) If the nation continues
',•,teetned," who tines on to sav, "This gentleman was felloWed to call us . bigots—if. it continues to hrand. the Iles. Robert
O'Sullivan as caltunnititors,
ii,•, our own Ilutto,"—(convulsions of laughter. in which the M`Ghee and the Rev. Mortimer
' 'v. gentlemen heartily joined,)—" who in a strain of Miele and.to receive with all se-moll:Dv. like Mr. J 11-no,, cf Hereford,
l',.',`,'lP Tidieule. art t tentioP (1 our arrountor the meetiog : ;,1,(1. i.„„- —( a 1 in,h )--the si.utrip,,ii,-, a rim most Rev• Dr• Murray,
, 110 him he did it iti. so much better iallguag, 0,, tie ....- 1 1a
' ' ' ' ' 1 .lb fell aeain wider papal
tan 1 ism. beyond a donitt. 1'..13,g1;in, •‘ i • ' -,„ ,',„` ,'
i•,,,,,,,,. '
• '',Tl4l teal.e-ae don't Iseow whaa tn say about the mutter." tvrit I • (r ~ ~- . r•- erever meter., ) . esno it she.
. ii). ~xc.ania iore, 0 .... .
113,„, i • . I t .i. Well sn• •' •• ringing in her ears. (Loud
iin.c ,• et tease' hies endlaiime t, .) ~. so um. li fer pre_ fall site will -fall with warning .
.I,pilt v• 1 love a great edvant age ill this; because an vof there cheers.) Protest Associations are 1 isitin up and warteing
1-,‘,,, hinsen.whtm are SO inclined, can 'mike me a trite prophet in her to
rare the rieht tone Of eeneine chtistianity in the
.lanil
' ur three days, (poiuting to the rePorteis.) (A 'lan" .p h ) 13ut, again, • lrepel '•hes of that abominable jesuitical
and to the epprom

system. whieh, Thstice to Ireland on its lips, and universal
Atli V nit its ti ttintr,its heart hatred to England and ex-
lerA.lination of heretics. (Long continued cheering.) But,
there is another ctiarg,e which has been advanced to-day avalus
the chnvi,:h of Home, and to which I must call your attention
—not fir !the purpose of reiterating the statements so ably
made, but break,rather new ground in this. matter, the
charge I allude to is the opposition of the church of Rome, to
the free.iirmilation and indiscrimMate reading of the. Word of
God. I shall du this, not by' ,-ecurring to proofs, but by calling
your wtention to a dicument wherein the, notorious fact is.
taken tor granted, by which our minds will Ip.t diteoed to
anoth€l subject of deep and lively interest, The document I
now advert to I hold in my hand. It is a letter from Lord
Stanley, then Mr. Stanley, to the Duke of Leinster, announc-
ing the determination of government to establish a new board
of education in Ireland. Lord Stanley writes thus concerning
the Kildare-place Society, then carrying-ou Scriptural educe-

.•
New Vstament, and after the boys had-read it and clivred their
hooks, I begati to ask the questimis printed at ttie end of it;
and is due eourse, se ye 1. • Hew del the angel addreSs her ?'
(meaning the besssett virgin.) `Hail! Marv, full of grace.'
answers Tim Flan:team (Loud laughter.) •As one peculiarly
h,eseed it Geo,' says Jack Smith, the water-guard's sue's? (cou-
tissues! deuebtes,) • isetn't I right, and nay 1 go op ?" Yoe
are both rieht,''seys I. (Laughter.) • But whieh is to go up ?'
says they. (Great leeeteer.) 'Jack Smith is more exact,' says
1, and accordingly he took F;anaesen'e. piece. Well, the seheel
was nut leoleseue ail hour, whew Mrs. Flaneean, she's a came-
,
lite, came to ask tne ill had put down her grandson for saying
'The aegelical ealutatiou.' s says I, I adhered to the
St i ist letter of the ecrietere lessens." Sir,' says she, I'll
conieitin of you to tee bishop ter punishing my boy for confess-
ing the true faith. And you are a reneesele anti an :upstate
from Your religion for doing what you ease done "rhe next
week 1 was teaching with emelt fear over me, on account of
Flanagau, (great latiehter,) when in came the minister,.
;sea with hen came en evangelical gentleman that opposed the
school, wizens he thought to win over by showing him how well
the children were taught to read the scriptures. As ill luck
would have it, I was hearing the boys the lesson in which you
have merked the word • repent' to be explained.' So taking
your note at page 14 to help me, I said. says I, ' repent' means,
do penance, and that means a great deal (loud laughter) ; for
example, it means peas ;et the shoes, (continued laughter,) and
a pilgrimage to Lough Dearg, (laughter,) anti saying seven
hundred Aces and it hundred Pater Noters, fasting. I saw the
minister wriggling as 1 went on explaining ' repent;' and the
evangelical getitietuan grinned. And when school was over,
the minister in it high rage set upon use, and rated at me
for teaching Pottery, as he called it, in school-hours. (Loud
laughter.) 'Sir,' says,l, 'the board put down the word to be
explainel,' and I believe in no other meaning.' I won't leave
my children here,' says he, 'to be corrupted by you, and I'll
report you to the board for giving peculiar instruction before
the molter- hour for it is come." Sir,' says 1, it is not peen-
liar instructiou; lam bound to give an explanation, for the
hoard has marked it for trie to explain, and I will do my duty.'
May it please your honourable board, I have found it a hard
and vexations thing to do that same. After Mrs. Flanagan
blew me up, (great laughter,) I made a rule that in reading -the
lessons the ceildren should not take each others' places when
they missed.. Bet it was not long till, as I was hearing them
read the ITh lesson, I asked them, as you directed me. How
must we he justified?' By my good works,' says Jem Flynn.
By faith,' says Bob Jones; 'reen't I right?' By faith and
says Darby Morris; 'ainn't I right ?" By faith with-
out works; uncut I right ?' says Miles Johnson. '0! you're
all right,' says I, 'more or less (convulsions of laughter); but
110 taking of plices, as I commanded you already.' The boys
looked at each other, as if they would determine, by a fight out
of wheel, which Was right, since I would not decide it for them.
• .
And I thought to thyself,anyhow, it is mighty little knowledge
they'll get out of the lessons; if I mustn't help them and put
them right. However, -es that was one of the days set apart
fee separate religious instruction, when the school was dismissed
the protestants went hothe by themselves, and the catholice re-
mained to say their cattylisnis, which prevented a fight on that
day ; end I took the opportunity of telling them' that`justified-
tion means sanctification,' and so we are justified by our good
works. But five days after, when they came to the 2lth lesson,
I-asked them, What does the word paradise' omen?" Lito-
tes,' says Phil Scratch. (Great laughter.) • Heaven,' says
Torn Whack. (Immense laughter.) -What. was Ito do now ?
The boys looked angry, -and were waiting for me to decide who
was right, when- in came Father Finnerty, and, without more
ado, Phil appealed to him. Yon are right,' said his rever-
ence. Tom's eyes fleshed fire, and lie muttered something be-
tween his teeth, that came out afterwards when the school was
breaking. up. (Great laughter.) For he set upon Phil as he
went out of the .door, and said, ' You unmannerly cut, do you
mean that.the Saviour went to purgatory ?' ' I do,' says hee
There is no such place in thoßible,' says-Tom. Thelei is,'
says Phil. ' Your lie,' says the angry fellow, 'paradise is hea-
ven.' It is limbo,' says Phil, an7l gave him a 'lunch in the
ribs. (Laughter.) It is heaven,' says Tone and bit him a
*low its the eye. (Uncontrollable laughter, that lasted some
terse.) A. ring was now formed by four or five protestants and
about litty catholics, and the shouts were loud on both sides,
one bawling for limbo, and the other for heaven. (Great laugh-
ter.) And I saw the evangelical gentleman riding by, anti he
shook his head, as much as to say our system of united instruc-
tion was making flue harmony in the country. 11e complained
of it, however, to the minister, and so he Caine up along with
him next day, and taxed me with setting the boys fighting.
Sir,' says only asked the question which the board bidane
ask; and I. gave rim explanation of my own. You were angry
with me thieother day for explaining a word; and now you are
angry because I can't
.keep the boys from -controversy, and all
the (emit-over:4y was brought in by the beard." But look at the
lesson of lever and charity Oat- hanging on the wall,' says
he; a why did you not enforce it ?" Is it with a rattan ?'
says I, ',am I to dots them to make them love one another? and
es to the• lesson of charity that is hung up, it's a different lesson
they hear at. home; and one can't expect all at once that they
will give up the old plan, and he persuaded that it is not right to
punish aheretic for reviling the true faith.' (Hear, hear.) ' I
will not have these scripture lessons read any more its the
school,' says he, they only drag the children into controversy,
by the notes and questions they contain.' 'The board earnestly
recommend the use of them, sir,' says 1. 'And if you do not
use the lessons,' says the evangelical gentleman, you won't
have any scriptures read in the school.' 1 will take away my
children,' says the minister, 'and send them to the Bible school
in the next parish.' This is.the state of the case. And i hum-
bly pray pier honourable board to tell the how I tins to explain
justification,' and Abraham's bosom,' without giving par-
ticular religious instruction, and without teaching theta what
believe myself to be their true meaning. And
, In duty bound, both night and day,
Thady i3rady will ever pray."
(The conclusion was followed by loud laughter asset .ftemiause.)
Now I beg von not to go away with the notion that I intend to
pass this ttif a genuine document. .1 do no such thing. It
was simply to make-you laugh at the education board, as I can
assure you I laughed heartily myself. But what is the use of
all this in reference to the Liverpool Protestant Association
Sir, it has everything to do with it. This system of education
is an undermines of Protestantism. - It was imputed into Li-
verpool as.a feeler—and it has
.been felt. (Mech applause.)
Was it imported into Liverpool ? The resolutions passed in the
Courted of the Corporation of Liverpool last July were,
1. "That the schools shall opou at nine o'clock each morning,
and continence by the children singing a hymn from the selec-
tions of thescommessi;eiteratetuationalseducation in. Ireland, and
by the masters reading a portion of the scriptures from the same
select ions."
2. •• That one hour of each day be devoted to the religious
instruction of those children whose parents do not object; and
eat euch hour be in .the afternoon, after the school' has closed.
That the school shall he considered as closed at three o'clock in
the winter,- and at four o'clock in summer. That instruction be
given tun Thursday afternoon as on other days, and that Satur-
day afternoon be considered a holyday."
3. " That the clergy of the different denominations be solicited
to attend for these purposes, and that every practicable accout-
modetion be afforded them."
6. "That. the books of time commissioners of education in lre-
teed he adopted; and that they have afair trial previous to the
introduction of any other."
Yon recollect that the Irish system was constructed in order
to get rid of the vital defect in the Kildare-place system,
which was the reading of the Serptures in school hours. The
Irish system. therefore excluded the reading of the .Scriptures,
otherwise the defect was not gut rid of. (Loud cheering.)
Did the new Irish system exclude the reading of the Scriptures
by the children ? Assuredly it did. Did the Liverpool Town
Council adopt the Irish system ? Assuredly it did. Did the
Liverpool Town Council exclude the Bible from the schools ?
Assuredly it. did.—(Cries of ". Yes, yes.") But I have here
three gentlemen who say " No." 1 read from on: of our
"esteemed" contemporaries :
" The BOle in the Corporation Molls.—a public meettny was
held yesterday evening at the Vine Tavern, Pitt-street, at which
Mr. Rath!,one, Hr. II Vindey, :11r. Black4urn, and several others
of the corporation _school comotittee attended, /or the purpose of
answering atty'questions relatif e to the tory slander which asserts
that the Bible is eacluded frmn these schools. Mr. Rathbone said,
merely,wertl. selections front time Bible made, but the whole
Bible was used- ,Mr. Blackietru said, the Moles was daily read in
those schouls.• That it-was not, was but au assertion, and need
be only met by•a direct negati vo. Mr. Walmeley, who was
'oldie called foresaid that the Bible, unmutilated, was part of
the daily routine of the schools."
Now see the premisee and. see the iconclusion. The premises,
the Bible is excluded front the Irish -system; the Irish system
is adopted into Liverpool—erew, the •Biiile is not excluded-from
the Liverpool scheols.--(Loud cheers.) Two Affirmative pre-
mises bringing, in a negative conclusion —( Loud cheers.)
Oh I tegic unanswerable! Assuredly the Pythagoreans were
in the right. ••Assuredly.the doctrine of the transmigration of
souls was the true one after till, and.t he logical spirit of Aristotle
has won its inspiring way into the Liverpool 'I own-hell. (Ap-
plause.) Before I leave this part of the subject, sir, 1 wish to
sac e few .w,mix.concernin4 the' sneers en flippantly and freely
poured forth' against us, the clergy •of Liverpool, since the
-meeting I have alluded to, on aceount ofeeir munifeeted una-
nimity in this cansee and our maniteeted difference of (minim)
on another subject which has lately agitated the town. When
the oratorio was the: subject, genie approved of it, and
others disapproved of it, and said so; and of the latter class I
was °inseam! said sot Some s=aid nothing about it; and what
does thee iprove?. Why it proves thtit we are freemen, and
have liberty to speak, according to our consciences, mill that we
prefees;---it .proves that we are not Romish slaves, who dare
not speak but permisssone superiorum. We do differ, and will
continue to differ, oil all subjects not of vital importance. But,
sir, when the Bible was touched. we then stood its one man,
with one hand and heart, and with but one circulation of life,
manifestineg but tune pulse—(loud' cheering). And what does
this proves It proves that our union was the simultaneous and
spoeteneoue movement. of tree minis.—a union worth having.
It proves what Protestantism is. Protestantistit is unity ma
fundamentals, without uniformity in circumstantials.—(Cries of
" Bravo," and great cheering.) Tins is our answer to the
carping cavillers who think to divide us by sneering at our
difference of opinion.—(Cheers.) •We do divide and will divide
on every matter whore we honestly differ in opinion ; but touch
the Bible, and we will not divide.- (Loud cries of " Bravo.")
'Now, sir, if I do not intrude too much upon your time and upon
the tithe of this aseernbly-4nte no )—I have one charge more
to advance against the Church of Rome.—( Loud cries of " Go
on.") We ch-mrge the Church of Route with:determined oppo-
sition, not only against scriptural reading, but to the very
vitals of scripture truth. This seems at first to be a vague
but I shall net treat it vaguely. I turn now its this
Beek—it is the eighth volume of Dens—to the famous hull
Unigenitus, the authority of which is proved by the statements
l'haee already made. ft is put forth by the Pope ; it is not
dissented from hy• the Bishops. and it consequently becomes
the rule of the Church, and is binding on all Catholics. In this
WI, which is levelled against is certain book, containing an
PxPosii inn of the Ittintanity of our Saviour, there is an enumera-
tion of 101 propositions, quoted by Qtiesnell and condensed;
and -coneetning these propositions there is this declaration at
the end :_.e" MI and every- the pre-inserted propositions we
condemn and reprobate"—Narnerenns et reprobamus)—as false,
ecandalous. 'impious, hateful to piens ears, frequently con-
demned--(plaries datanata, &c.) Anti we command all the
faithful of all sexes not to presume to think, to teach, ort
preach of the above propneitions otherwise than as contain :din
this our ennstitution." What are these propositions so be..,.thv'lit
condemned ? One of them is this—autl happily it
est o
n e " Lectio sarrre script uric est pro ore
of the holy scriptures is for all." " otrvonus
et rnhrobarnns,
says the Church of Rome. "We condemn
sayine as captions, false, profane, and which
ee, ra, scriparer t
demned offensive to pima: ears•" lel.e-eteee proposition
est pro omnibus is offensive to Inoue ears of s'
is—' the obscenity of the secred God is sm reasonof the same."
for any men to diepenee - with the reading .
'says the Church of
" We condemn and reprobate this seeing,'
You saran
"the
.read-
Rome. This is a saying that you 10".
I(ue
Churchlbseurit,y)r
in'z of th" holy scriptures is Sir all."
is no reason why we shoelil ot read then:. 'I
Unite set's--" Dainnames et reprobemusr, and this, mark, is
biediter „e catholic. Another • o these statements is,
" it the stew, ne Jesus Christ. is the efficacious principle of
eve re eseied eseen every act—is necessary for every good work --
end witheut it. no w'or'k can
he good that ie done." '['his is one
of tflorions statements oft he grace of God, concerning which
every christian sass. " I loves in that truth;" and
concerning which thus Church .of Rome says, " Dertinames et

tion :--
" While they (the government) do full justice to the liberal
views with which that society was originally iustituted, they can-
not but he sensible that one of its leading principles was calcu-
lated to defeat its avowed objects, as experieace haseubse-
quently proved that it has. The determination to enforce in all
their schools the reading of the Holy Scriptures,. without note
or comment, was' undoubtedly taken with the. purest motives,
with the wishl at once to connect religious with moral aud lite-
rary emlneation, and, at the same dus, not to run the risk of
wounding the peculiar feelings of ant, sect by cateehetical in-
struction, or comments which might tend to subjects of polemi-
cal controversy:- But it seems to have been overlooked that the
principles of tee Reman 'Catholic Church . (to which, in any
system intender! for -general diffusion throughout Ireland, the
hulk of the pepils must necessarily belong) were totally at vari-
ance with this principle; and that the indiscriminate reading
of the Holy Scriptere, without note or comment by children,
must be peculiar v obrioxieus to a church which denies, event()
adults, the redo, of unaided private interpretation of the sacred
voluine with respect yi the articles of religions belief. Shortly
after its institution, although the society prospered and extend-
ed its operatiOn4; (and the right hon. Secretary might have
aided, " embraced within its bosom Roman Catholic and Pro-
testant chililven by thoufsitels,") under the fostering care of the
legislature, llC's vital defdot beilan to be ' noticed, and the Roman
Catholic clergy began to exert themselves with energy and suc-
cess against
a systein to which they were on principle opposed,
and which they feared mieht lead in its results to proselVtism,
oven althmigh no such object were contemplated by its Promo-
ters. When this opposition arose, founded on such grounds, it
scam became Manifest that the system could not become one of.
national education." In the reading of this document; I want
you, sir, atiil this large and intelligent assembly to, notice that
the vital defect of the system in Kildare-street was the reading
Of the scriptureS:—that the new system was devised in order to
remedy timtS vital defect, and, consequently, if the reading of the
scriptures be apart of the new 'system, such vital defect is not
remedied. But if the vital defect be remedied, the reading of
the scriptures is not a pin of the new.'system... This is very
-simple—se simple, that you will perhaps wonder why I should
state it. The present Irish system was established for the ex-
press' purpose of remedyiug what was declared to be a defect in
the old system, and what he described to be the indiscriminate
reading of the holy scriptures by the children in the schoels.. I
want you to bear this in your minds, that the present Irish sys-
tem was to do away with the reading of the scripture front the
schools: But were not extracts made from the. scripture, Which
might give the %surd of God, so selected, as not to wound the
peculiar religious sentiments of any party ? 'On the subject of
selections my Lord Stanley wrote t bus :—" The commissioners
of education in 1824-5, sensible of the defects of the system,
and of the grolmes as well as the strength of the objection
taken, recommended the appointment of two teachers in every
school, one Protestant and the other Romeo Catholic, to super-
intend separately, the religious education of the children; and
they hoped to have been able to agree upon a selection from
the scriptures which might, have been generally acquiesced in
by both persuasioes. But it was soon found that these schemes
were itnpracticahle."
It was indeed impracticable to make a selection that would
satisfy both parties. The history how and why it was found
impracticable is one of deep and vital interest. The present
Primate of Ireland, and the late Archbishop of Dublin, were
parties to the 1-ito attempt presented by the government in
1811 and 1825, but in their hands no selection could he made to
which the Roman Catholic archbishop would agues, and in his
hands no selection could be made to which they would agree.
There is one remarkable instance which will give an idea ofthe
manner in which these attempts failed. I hope I shall be en-
abled to make it plain to this meeting; though I must confess
it will require, on their part, a renewal of diligent and patient
.attention. (Cheers.) la the passages of scripture where the
institution of the Lord's supper is given by Christ, and repeat-
ed by St. Paul, it was in four passeoes in scripture, three in the
Evangelists and one in the Epistles—the language is in the pre-
sent tense. It is to this effect in all, and in these words in
one :—" This is my body which is given for you: this do in re-
membrance of me. This cup is my blood of the New Testa-
ment, which is shed for you." All is in the present time. Now
in the Romish version of the New 'Testament, an alteration is
made in the latter part of the sentence. The former part stands
ae ears ;,—" '['his is my body which is given :for you. this do in
remembrance of Me." It stands thus :—" This chalice is my
blood of the New 'Testament, which shall he shed for you." The
future tense is adopted. On this difference between the re-
sent and the future a large body of Popish doctrine is founded:
on the present tense they build the doctrine of tin unbloo d
hi s
y
sacrifice. They tell ns ' that Christ' then and there„ ave
therefore there was no bloody sacrifice. But
body : for he says, " it is given ;" but that then and there no
lsloiel was stied;
in the second clause there was a referehce to the sacrifice on
the cross ; end. therefore it was put in thefuture tense, and not
in the present, and therefore it shall he done-" it shall be shed
fur you." Now there is no reason either in the original lan-
guege, as We have it in our version, or in any of the INIt S. which
can be fottud in any. age,
to justify this change of tenses..
([Tear, hear.) At the present as regard's the body, at the future
as regards the blood.
.The Protestant bishops and archbishops
.peremptorily refused to allow the change of tense in the insti-
tution of the Lord's, supper, in the proposed selections of 1824
-and 1825. The Roman Catholic archbishop insisted on the
change : and it was limns! impracticable to come to an agree-
ment, and make a suitable selection. (Cheers.) We turn now
to the selection made tinder happier auspices for the Church of
Rome, in ltS'il and 1832, and we find the most agreeable con-
nivance with the Roman Catholic archbishop,' and the passage
thus translated to be put into the hands of both Protestant and
ROman Catholic children: " This is my hefty which is giverrfor
. you : this cop is the Now Testament in my blond, which is
about to be shed for you." ( Hear and cheers.) Whielt is about
to he shed 1 Anil. the Protestant archbishop; agreed to alter the
! tense—retaining thy' tense as the ground ~ the unhloody sacri-
fice. What, then ? The future tense is retainer) with reference
le the Catholics.' The Homan Catholic had caught his prey.
Now, now, we can make a selection. But in 1824 and in 1825
Lord Stanley said (het selection was impracticable,
(Loud
cheering.) 1 hope d
s you have all onerstood that. (Cheering. j
In speaking of this selection, there is another passage to which
I wish to call your attention- On a former occasion, you may
remember, I called your attention to the Ist chapter of Si
Luke, as compared with the statement professed at the com-
mencement. that the whole of St. Luke was contained in the
number.. We saw, by a very convenient juxta-
position, that
the promise was violated in the Ist chapter, and ten verses were
omitted. The verses omitted contain the address of the angel
Gabriel, when sent to the Virgin Mary. It is 'written in all the
MSS.—there is uo resource fur equivocation—" Hail, thou that
art highly favoured!" • When they come to transcribe this jute
the selections, a difficulty flashed ou their minds : the Pse..
testa's( members of the board . would naturally 'follow the plain
meaning of the original words, as given in the authorised ver-
sion;-" Hail, thou that art highly favoured !" But if this had
been done, one of the sweetest anthems of superstitious melody
that floats on the ears of Roman Catholic worshippers in their
dads oblations, would have been erased. from the text. Oh !
what would have become of "Hail, Mary ! full of grace ?"
(Cheers and laughter.) The Boutin Catholic members of the
board could by no means do away with " Hail, Mary 1" and the
Protestant members could by no means admit it. What is to be
thh said. This
mimic then ? Put a pair of brackets, and give a digest, and
avoid an actual transcribing of what
wits done. The paraphrase was given.e angel h
It has bat een pleaded by
au honourable councillor in our town, as—(an unanimous burst
of cheering)—it is very inconvenient to applaud in the Middle
of a sentence : You have put me out.—(Cheers.)—It has been
pleaded as a jus'tificatiun of the omission of the verses—that it
was more expedieut to adopt that alternative. But let us Fee
how it iv irks. There is at the end of every passage an in-
struction to the schoolmaster to ask certain questions. 'There
ieseaads.et'lnor tgimueet'lliia'rug' si
tigiit vfteeirl 't
hails' dc
hill's! treerretl7toti'e passage just
question occurs, for
the master to Put to the children: "Flow did the angel address
her ?" An intelligent child will look heels toeee. There is no
address of the angel to her—it is a paraphrasee—( Hear.) Now,
how did the angel address her? It is a hard question. The
next questimin is,—" What more did he say to her?'' On refer-
ring to the text,
let it be remembered that the masters in these schools rimy be,
this also is a paraphrase.—( Ifear.) Now, sir,
and in most cases are, Roman Catholics. 'rhe child came; to a
non-plus on these questions; for there is no answer in the text.
What will.the master say, when applied to for an an
to thgh-
e
question ?—" Hail,
ter.) That is what he will say • aud So Protestant children Will
Mary ! full oft race ?"—( Cheers and lau
be told about it. The bible does cot so render it; but it is in
the traditions of the Roman Catholic church. In addition to
these peroexities o the children in the schools, thereare many
others. Ii have ant er doeument to retd•freis, and
.you shall
have full permission to laugh as you please. I. ffeely telfis you,
that I read it partly for the perptise of making you ratio,' at the
beard. I attempted to sheer that, on a late occasioo, by. Opee..
Mg four ministers of differentspersuasions in nits,' eerners':ilf the
• room, and plaeing'emne one in the middle whom I `1 "1 not
name—(cheers and laughter). And yeti laughed and did well
—7-fur it is a utmost absurd system. I will now give the document,
' ;--it comes in the shape of 'a memorial from a teacher to the
Commissioners of Education : ' •//
. " llie Happy Elects of Reading the Nem Scripture Lessens z
the National Srhools.of Ireland. —The'nientorial of Thady Bratty
hnmblyshewelle, that I am, as you know, Thady Brady, who
Was appointed master of the, national school of liilltnegrannY,
county Clare, having been recommended by the Rev. Eustand
thitie Finnerty, P. P.—(Deafening; peals of laughter.) A
as the Protestant Minister, Mr. Pleaseall, joined in the appli-
cation for building the- school. and induced a tow of the
protestant children, whose parents live =Prig us, to come
to it—l take equal pains to instruct them. It is on the'subject
of the Soriptume lessons that I now make hold to address Yrn"
honourable beard; for being, as you truly. say,
• not well quali
fled as a "teacher of religion," r am fairly at a nonplus with
these lessons, and I would be infinitely beholding to y for I
ou if, Isv
return of post, you will let me know who is Boothroyd,
asked the minister, and he told ma that he was a Country goo-
tleman, a sort ore Quaker—(loud.laughter)•-that died in E
hanve
g-
land last year ; and, as I thought. that it was very queer to
s
him set up to teach the meaning of. the Bible, that never was
baptised, I asked the priest, and be told me he was an Egyptian
monk;—(continued laughter)—eo I refer it to' your honours for
informetion. , And ,weuld also be thankful for a clear notion of
who Bishop Horsley was, and Kennicott, and Griesbach, as we
never heard of them before in these. remote parts (1e-tighter):
and smne say they were Protestants,. and others. say. they
were
old saints, only not called so,•like Origen, of whom we are not
sure whether he was a real saint•or a heretic, though
you men-
tion his opinieu about the •Patei:Noster.• And-please ti toll me
also hew many Manuscripts there are,. and who wrote them,
and all about. them.
..(Lause
ghter.) As You set me to teach the
things, sore vett :tre.bminuml to instruct me, for. as you say,
not ' qualified. (Continued laughter.) But if the truth was
known, no snore is the priest or the minister, (a laugh); for 1.
asked them both how many manuscripts .there .were in all. and
they looked cross an,! (Inv. said ' What's that to you?' (loud
laughter)—and the other -said, ' Mind your own business:'
(roars of laughter)—so, ' Boys,' says I,• ' a large proportion of
maneseripts reads, se and i.m.' .
I am
" Your ,T 1 eirtm ialist also prays that your honours will tel him
a safe meaning to give of ' jOstification,' which you bid me
' explain,' (I should tell vett that at the end of every
chapter in
this. there is a (silliest) to be. ekplained by the master), bur
which is eettlee me into stick Kralies and scoldings on all sides.
I di, not ask fn, tiw t Fee meaning,' for I know that, but a mean-
infe that Vogt ;4i,...,. an, , peculi3r reNginns instruction.' fir thet's
waat they planted me for shiing in the school-hours, when I rave
lilyIt" nun 4", pl,maik.r,) of the word. 'FHA v,,u may understand
• Y c'!r• ,- 1 ",ili I-Y•it'lmefole you in dotal), and relate mY griev-
Inances to otsbeihig these lessons.
".1 was teaching one des last inept!), the first lesson in the