The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

FRIDAY, JUNE 3RD.

The inquiry was resumed a few minutes after eleven
o'clock. The attendance of the public, and those•more
immediately connected with the enquiry, was at first ex-
ceedingly meagre; doubtless in consequence of the fact
that the evidence of the various witnesses brought forward
by the petitioners has been so exceedingly lame and im-
potent, compared with the reports which were so, long
and so industriously circulated by the opponents of the
members for Liverpool. The first witness called was
Jeremiah WCarthy, who said : I know Mr. Rowett.
By the CHAIRMAN: I got the money for William
Sergeant, and I gave it to Robert Sergeant.
Robert Sergeant was, recalled, and said • I saw the
witness, M`Carthy, after the election, and drew my
brother William's money from him. My brother voted
with me. My brother William had told M`Carthy to
give it to me.

Thomas Allen : lam a ropemaker, and voted for Mac-
kenzie and Turner in Edge-hill ward. I went direct
from my dwelling to Marshall's coffee-house : other per-
sons were there ; a good many voters, and some non-
electors. I afterwards went to the ropewalk to see what
was going on ; and subsequently, at the coffee-house,
saw Mr. Rowett, who asked me what side I was going to
vote on, when I said I had not promised it. He said at
first, I am very glad to see you this morning, and I hope
you'll render us assistance. I went out and gave my
vote independent of anybody. After giving my vote,
Rowett came and asked me to assist him by going off in
a car with some voters who were being taken to the poll.
Some ropemakers came up and asked me to have some-
thing to drink. I told them I had not money. Rowett
had asked to see me about another voter named Thomas
Allen. He was in the ward near St. James's church ;
and I got him to poll. I afterwards went back to the
Edge-hill coffee-house, and saw Rowett. That would be
at from two to three o'clock in the-afternoon. I said to
him, " Allen has voted." He asked, " Are you going
away ?" I said, " No." He said he should like to see
me to the close of the poll. I then went up stairs and
drank a glass of gingerette and smoked a cigar. I don't
recollect that Rowett spoke to me about any other voter.
I recollect a conversation with Rowett as to tickets. As
we were taking Allen to the poll, Allen asked for a glass
of ale, and Mr. Rowett said, " I have not a shilling
about me." He said that, when I asked him if he had
money or tickets for refreshment. Allen wanted to know
if he would have a day's pay.
By Mr. SMITH : He did not ask Mr. Rowett for it.
By Mr. PAGET : I asked Rowett if he would give me
the day's pay for loss of time. He said, if it is to be, every
man will have it. Now, I said, " Tom, if the wages are
to be paid, don't lose any time after it." I don't believe
I have seen Allen ever since. I saw Mr. Rowett a fort-
night
or three weeks after. I don't recollect seeing him
a few days after the election. I got money from Rowett
a fortnight or three weeks afterwards : it was 10s. 1 got.
I kept the 10s. to myself. I was perfectly satisfied with
the money : I waa compelled to be satisfied. I got it
from out of his own pocket. I know that, because I saw
him take it out. (Laughter.) On the day of the election
I was about the coffee-house at Edgehill, several times,
lam a master roper. I superintend the work. On the
upren to
ndvowthei;ehl saw him
persons in a chair,
were
election morning I went over my work. When I saw Rowett
at the Edgehill Coffee-house, I saw him doing various
thingsi—taking
men up
assembled. I can't say- he had any books before him.
ptaaktinga
table,
The house was at times full-.-people coming and going.
I can't say going towards the polling-booth. Many were
dodging about the place to see if they could get drink.
I can't say I saw persons carrying colours and wearing
favors. I did not see Rowett pay money to any person
whatever.

Cross-examined : I am a householder, and have a rope.
walk of my own, employing a few men under me. I had
assisted Mr. Rowett at the election. The money I
received was not had for my vote. I would not sell my
vote. When ho gave me the money he said it was paid
out of his own pocket for assisting him. I went across
and gave my vote independent. Since 1790 my father
has voted on the Red side, and the family have always
done so. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and
Turner.

Mr. SMITH .
• So you are hereditary Reds. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote in Denison's contest ?
Witness : Yes, I did.
Mr. PAGET : Did you receive any money ?
Witness I received £lO. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : On which side did you vote ?
Witness : I polled on the " red" side, for Mr. Denison.
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote at Lord Sandon's election ?
Witness : No, I did not. I think I should have re.
membered if I had.

Mr. PAGET : When were you made a freeman
Witness : I have been a freeman since 1827.

Mr. SMITH : Did you live in Liverpool?
Witness : No; I resided in Manchester; and the £lO
was given to pay my expenses.

- - - .
Thomas Wilson, a freeman, deposed that he was a
chairmaker and jobber, and that at the last election he
voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I am not employed
that I know of by Mr. Birchall in the removing of furni-
ture. I am certain that he never employed me. I know
him. He has a shop, in Richmond-row. He asked me
for my vote, in Hanover-street, before the election. He
asked me if I was going to vote for Turner and Macken-
zie ; and I said, yes. Something was said about a day's
wages. I said, six shillings. He then said, if I polled

with him I would have my day's wages. I was working
at that time for some one whose name I did not knoiff.
having been engaged at a sale-room. He said to me,
would be all right. 1 worked at that time by
the hour'
and I cannot say that I had worked by the day fora moor!'
before that. I knew Birchall. "When this was talked of,
about the wages, I was told I should go to the committee
room at " The Pontac," in St. Anne's "Ward. I can
say on what day the conversation took place in Hanover'
street. It was before the polling day. J went more dal!
than one ; and I saw Birchall there, walking about. ;
can't answer for him walking about all the time in °us
room. I polled from " The Pontac," and went fro,,
that house to the booth in a car. don't know who told
me to go in the car. I was in " The Pontac" from
hour to an hour-and-a-half before I polled. Another Or,
of the same name as myself went in the coach to the P-
I went to "The Pontac" after the
poll. I'm sure
can't say that I saw Birchall there. Next day after tbanis
I went to Birchall's place, and got some money —not a
himself, but from his sister. He sent her for change, aPci,
she gave me ss. She at first gave me 4s, ; but be sal„
give Tom another shilling. I did not see any other Me"
there at the time.

fi3oi irrclite
keCnzroiessa-nexdaTmuinrneedr.—belfomreadmeyupcomnyvemrsiantdiotno
whir
and although I had not received the ss. I should st 111123"
voted for Mackenzie and Turner.
John Brown : 1 am a freeman, and a wood turner. 1 I
voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turoer,for
voted from " The Pontac." Nobody canvassed me
my vote. I did not see Birchall before the election•not
saw him on the morning of the polling day, but aid 00
speak to him. I can't say that I saw him there on cif
morning of the polling. I went from " The Pone
with Westmore and Talbot, to the polling booth. I "op
in Castle-street. Talbot and Westmore polled at theito
of Leece.street. I went back to " The Pontac"
the poll, but I did not go in. I went elsewhere. 'Ol
impossible for me to tell where 1 went after that. I wil.
to many places—to the top of Mill-lane to a pubic
house—whose name I do not know, and whose landlord]
name I forget. Talbot and Westmore were with tre',4
went next morning to " The Pontac," and saw Te4l-t
there, but did not see Birchall. After that, I never sfoepf
to the residence of Birchall, in Richmond-raw ; I k:10
where he lives. I have received money from Talbot. 410
morning after the election he gave me 4s. 13 received ilia
Dale-street ; but I never expected to receive it. fle'
me that Birchall sent it. Ido not know what I got itf:yl
John Woods : if am a freeman and a labourer. IVA
at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner.
employed to carry a flag on the day of the nominal
I was not employed at all to do it. No one asked roe
do it. I went to " The Pontac," in Christian-street's
the day of the nomination. I saw a person there weg,
I know only by sight. I asked him to give me aP
and he told me to go into another room and get W; $/iere
put my name down. The flags were red and blue. 11101
might be 40 or 50 carrying flags, and it was very's'',o I
walking. I got 55., but I never took the flag baCP
lost it. A man took it away from me. I went &ode
the morning of the election, about eleven o'clock, tag.i"
cf
Pontac," and went in a coach to the poll. I came bfei
in the coach to "The Pontac," and waited there O
minutes. I got no money from any one after that. iffe
minutes before the election I had a conversation with To
Richard Birchall as to the situation of a watchman. aid
said the first vacancy that occurred I should have. I.
get a place a fortnight or three weeks after the elected got 10s. a week. I went on duty at six o'e.oclgilrf
went off at twelve o'clock. do not know the Pe''
who paid me the ss. for carrying the colours. of
Cross-examined : I carried the colours all the drilA
the nomination. It was a very hot day, and it wag
work.

John Bathurst Brown said : I was a tobacconist, at
Tithebarn-street. Before the election I was caninfp
by Mr. Turner, who asked me to vote for him an"
Mackenzie. I had known Mr. Turner. T hesitated In
giving Mr. Turner an answer. The person who "maid
the shop was Galooby. When he left tie shop,' 01
to Mr. Turner I had a favour to ask before I ge°lo
vote. I asked him could he give me employment.
„id
Turner hesitated for some time, and' then my wife nil'
the Sailors' Home.
Mr. JAMES :: Did you hear what your wife said ?
Witness : Yes.
'0
Examination continued : He said he had no interes#;id,
the Sailors' Home himself, but he had a friend who he
Before my wife interfered, he said he was not quite.sd,
he could get anything for me or not- My wife sable of
you have not interest, nobody has. When she 5P".,01
the Sailors' Home, he said he should' speak to his ill j
Mr. James Tyrer, at the Sailors' Home. As .
had got that promise from Mr. Turner, I gave 11110
promise that I should vote for him and Mackenzie.,ing
this conversation I did not tell Mr. Turner anYt",,,g,
Mr. ca
about my politics
micnsaatewas all. Wenot
mentioned.
Mr. about politl
yoAuirrp.rMomAicsAettToljAvYote:
situation ? (Question objected to). What made YOll9
mise to vote for Mr. Turner ?
fSohrohuilmd youhad havehe not givenpr promised
yaorlirool
Witness : I did it for the sake of the situation.
Examination continued : After the etectio:,.!twtue
voted for Mackenzie and Turner, I called vent
with him to
and reminded him of his promise.
Mr. Tyrer. I heard Mr. Turner
Mr. Tyrer said he would let me have a situation as
__you,
as ever there was an opening. I called upon Mr. Tr,°:
several times afterwards, every week, I should think,
...in:
to Christmas, I wrote to Mr. Turner, but got no anslr
1 continued calling upon Mr. Tyrer till Mr. Turn
returned to Liverpool.
Cross-examined by Mr. JAMES : signed the r"l,lliie;
tion to Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner, at the same ""I
I said it was not binding. I meant I should vote as I
speakrtwoeililr..Tyrer,san44
thought proper. I did not sign it as-it it was binding'
told Mr. Beloe so.
By Mr. MACAULAY .
before the election.
Mr. Turner having acknowledged that the letter
his, it was put in as evidence. It was. as follows
Liverpool, sth JolY,.lB2edit
Sir,—l have not forgotten your case, and I have ments,ivto,
to Mr. Tyrer. At present nothing hop
e
may become vacant 11,1f`,„'e
suit you, but I will continue to keep it in mind, and I
may be able to do something before tong.
Yours, CHARLES TURN-1311'

I received the letter produced

Mr. J. B. Brown

Cross-examined : I am a Reformer in politics•l
should certainly have voted for Cardwell and Turner eat
had adhered to my principres. My wife was Pre'ver•
during the whole of the conversation with Mr. Tural should not have signed the requisition to Turner ePthli
not been pressed to do it by Mr. Law. I have told 14,
several times—once to Mr. Galooby, a brewer's C'enot
I have once kept a beerhouse, and gave it up, as it did 005.
do. It belonged to a person named Rotwell, and iLedt
situate in Edgar-street. I served him. He got 1700
and I left him—previously shutting up the shop. hyd
not in any business now. It is three months since I had
the tobacconist's shop. lam not without money.
sink,
the Speaker's warrant to come here nearly a month s_JC
T never was in prison for debt. I was a tobaee'o4
before I kept a beershop. I had a shop for 11 years',"
Mr. Mellor took it from me .to make his public-br
larger. When I spoke to Mr. Turner, I had net ;11
raised my vote. I had been canvassed several tietege
the other party. When the conversation took place, gl
Turner was in the shop for a quarter of an hour' ~00;
wife spoke fast. My wife might say that she was frtbrot
woman, and had several children. She might saY 'lots
was old and infirm, and wanted me to get into the Sall
Home, as I WB3 not capable of hard work. She begs4loo6
eu.iversation in respect to a situation. She spoke 'oaf;
little time to him. I was out during a portion of the. told
versation. I know what she told him, because se' tetl
me. Mr. Turner had been in, I believe, five Ire,
minutes before I came in. When I came in,l,foueu 00;
in conversation. My wife took part in the convers:se
I' know Galooby,, and I believe he is here. We sP ther'
"
over several times—not while we were drialaine 'ref
Galooby was with me when I went to give this leflroPt
tion. I gave, my evidence to some parson in tbs"
buildings, who took it down ; but I do not know wan hey
person was. It would be a month ago. I:.caine2P
with Galooby, and we have been living at ~Y;.etl;
Stafford-road, Pimlico. Galooby has never read the
dence over to me. He has not got it wrote der )11‘'
might have mentioned it to some persensin Leaden'
wife is here.
By Mr. Bonxiar : I wanted to go into the Sailors', oe
'
as a door-keeper, or any sort of situation of thte,
which I could get. I have been to the Sellars' $.O
Mary Brown : I am the wife. of the last wi
top
the.
the last election we had a tobacconist's sto tk
Tithebarn-street. I remember
sultirop..Tburutnernr:soeralfiettl7:
shop. That was a fortnight or three weeks be„bee 1,34
election. Nobody was in the
came in, and Mr. Turner came, in alone. A persePoslced,'l
Galooby came in a little afterwards. 31r. Tureerue tbs;
Mr. Brown was in. I said ne, he Was outside. ,noiti°6
asked me would he vote. 1 said yes, on the
oici
that he would get him a situation, for he was an ova
anyan
conversation, between my husbanchse otiv
there
eehr had dasa nearla rrtgfoeoegr
wefGatltehmanieroitrl.:_ybi.T,
efiul:reslnat. husbandyemmr,eeafter
fi
nttieo.rnle
dGhatananddi
the Sailors
Galooby
asked
bayil
lofiltr:
in Y husband first. Ido no' bit'
y
about ten minutes, and during that time they we' ;$ 004
ing all about the election. Nothing particular v/7110,`"1,0
TurnerWs
hohu When Galoobyvboetef
as a place where there were many situations. 11°0 'ite
yid j
situation, *
and after Mr. Turner had said he s,,,P:rer•o
what he could through the influence of Mr• 31 oft believe he is a merchant, and that he is a manager
of $5
Sailors' Home. I do not know that he is 011;hst
councillors for our ward. Nothing more passed d.
particular. No particular situation was mentioost•
Turner was there, I dare say, from four to half-tide,
had a good many difficulties about the electionbeiped
was short of the rent, I paid it, but was net
ot
anybody.
HeChroasssh-eexeanminindediffiieTulhteiestobwaiectho
the last few months. He has not, twrsadsas•spi mtahiedlloll,isr ibaokill:°9;ealgtices
applied for money from various parties. ti doe"
not have heard anything that took place.
COersa to
By Mr. BODKIN : Except that they had bout oil
By Mr. RODWELL All that was se'detchute°lll'
situation was said by me. All thatany husbalarge faraood
to do about his vote was left to me. I have a infirr% res
and I told Mr. Turner that my husband Was with for
was here IX
not capable of hard work. Mr. Turner t bo
alone for about five minutes, and Galoobvl"'seire.,e`ots
about
tt
theten election. Galooby
(Gluartieneghywhich they 13'_...h0 ealjbooi
orders. When Mr. Turner camise
my husband was, but I do not recollect that toot' ,05
• Galoo
about my husband giving any promise. Therewoe
ein rhrestkwca
ifc.;teotaicee
to London from Liverpool last Saturdslw al
twaoneooskt.
writhe `j
\gt7 e(e,n,
awerend aaanbg
ewe
In!
ttt hl
fiveem i
amn, o
minutestk Id doinwo
down
pl :az e_erve htrie.
e
have been with Galooby all the morning, au'ikfr, '11"..,10ce
bltalkinge
utnOeik,%hieirmr. ,sTpbuourktnenenro
tt
oaanabdn7bmt
otydhsyee
It 105 °true' II
with whom I talked the matter overtbis
sva, not oiLt
town that we were to get .45 ,_c„ence_Asai4Y
that was not the same as money.
never asked for anything ; not evrntfe.r n' ~a I "'
wanted my husband to have a situation, P"'.
ef,le aboutxiel7-ot':amt
yt