The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-11-30 00:00:00

MR. GAGE'S DOCK PLANS.-CONFERENCE OF
THE DOCK COMMITTEE WITH DEPUTATIONS
FROM THE COMMERCIAL ASSOCIATIONS.

The conferent— Dock Committee with deputation
from the several associated commercial bodies, on the
ject of Mr. Gage's plans, in opposition to those of tl]
Surveyor, for the intended new dock and warehouses, tot
place yesterday, at one o'clock in the afternoon. The mem
bers of the committee present were—Messrs. Sands, (chair
man,) Horsfall, (deputy-chairman,) Barclay, Holt, Holmes
Middleton, Chilton, Nicol, Aiken, Bulley, Evans, Tobin
Chapman, Ripley, and Moon. Mr. Hartley, the. Dock Sur•
veyor, and Mr. Gage were also present, each prepared wit'
plans and drawings for the purpose of •
ject. The following gentle...--

3utatiops
)ert Dirou

East India and Chia
and Mr. Charles Turne
West India Associa
and Mr. C. S. Parker.

Mr. R

Mr. George Hall Lawrenc

Shipowner
dall.

Mr. Henderson, and Mr. Ken

Brazilian
worth.

Mr. Sanders

cl Mr. Cotes

lexican anc

nerican Association

—Mr. Dunlop

British and North American Association
and Mr. Duncan Gibb.
American Chamber of Commerce.—Mr. Roskell, and Mr
Todd.

Mr. Rankin

Mediterranean and Levant Association.—
Mr. Pilcher.
Shipbuilder's Association

•Mr. Powell

Ur. Royden, and Mr. Thos

The CHAIRMAN said the object of the conference was well
known both in and out of doors ; and on the part of the
committee he had to state that they would be very happy to
hear any suggestions the deputations might have to make.
The dock committee had only one object in view, and that
s. I was to give the greatest possible amount of dock accommo-

dation to the shipping interests. The plans lying upon the
table, and for which an act of parliament had been obtained,
had not been adopted by the committee upon slight grounds.
Most earnest consideration had been given to them ; but if
it should appear from anything that the deputations should
say that those plans were not the best, and ought not to be
ed. the

.oceeded with; but that of

committee would be willing to reconsider, and to adopt such
plans as appeared, most desirable. They would, of co
think it r

best and most scientific evi-

The SECRETARY here re

nd it was arranged that they s

Lyon above

- Mr. TURNER, on the part of the East India and China
Association, then rose and said, that the merchants con-
nected with the East Indies felt, and had always felt, that as
far as respected their trade warehouses were wanted round
the docks. They hailed the bill which had just been passed,
as giving them in a great measure what they wanted. Per-
haps it did not give them the entire warehouse accommoda-
tinn thov wsintp,i hilt if tone nn onnrnnnit thaw nit neirlarPil to

a better system. They considered that this port was inferior
to London in this respect, and they were anxious for the
committee not to lose sight of this question. So long as
they could secure efficient warehouses the association were
not in opposition to any plan ; but they felt that no altera-

or impaired their efficiency in securing any other advantage
would compensate for the loss. These were the general sen-
timents of the merchants connected with the East Indies.
Mr. DIROM concurred in Mr. Turner's statement.

Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said, that although the West Indil
Association had been mentioned in connection with his owr
name he had no instructions from that body. He thought

however, that the 'West India Association placed every con-
fidence in the Dock Committee, and they left the matter in

their hands

Mr. PARKER expressed his concurrence.
Mr..HENDEILSON, as one 9f the deputies from the ShiF

of that body had taken Mr. Gage's plans several times into
consideration, and had made very minute investigations of
them, because their interests were largely involved in the
question. They were decidedly of opinion, comparing them
with Mr. Hartley's, that Mr. Gage's were a very great im-
provement, that he secured greater dock space, and a much
more advantairenipx nnnronrintinn of nnol• re.nnl raving. thP

number of vessels, at least, would be accommodated with
working berths either for discharging or loading. His dock
area was larger, with this greater advantage of facility in
working, and, therefore, the Shipowner's Association were
decidedly of opinion that such a very great improvement
ought to be undertaken at any cost, either of time or money.
As to Mr. Turner's observation relative to interference with
the warehouses, it was rendered perfectly nugatory, inas-
much as Mr. Gage's plan furnished as great a superficial

area, and much greater lineal quay space for that purpose
than the plan agreed upon. The Shipowner's Association,
after great consideration, were decidedly of opinion that the
large plan of Mr. Gage's, which occupied the whole space
from Duke's Dock to George's Dock was the plan which
ought to be adopted. They also recommended this plan as
having Graving Docks. They thought it better, howeve
not to go too much into detail, but to leave the f

lture consi-
deration of the question entirely in the hands of the com-

Mr. KENDALL concurred in this statement

Mr. RIPLEY said it was proposed to be either warehouses
or sheds in Mr. Gage's plan, and he wished to know whether
the Shipowners' Association had agreed to either one or the

Mr. lIENDERSON had intended to state that so long asMr.
Gage's plans furnished an equal superficial area applicable for
quay or warehouses, he conceived the objection, as to ware-
houses,was done away with.

Mr. HORSFALL asked whether the Shipowners' Associa-
tion had calculated the cost of carrying out Mr. Gage's great
plan ?
Mr. HENDERSON replied in the negative, but intimated
that whatever it might be it ought to be incurred.
Mr, HORSFALL next asked whether they had estimated
the time the work could be done in ?

Mr. HENDERSON replied that he was not prepared to an-
swer that question.

Mr. HORSFALL remarked that the t

Mr. Henderson

aving d

The CHAIRMAN

Mr. POWELL.—Not exactly.
Mr. WILSON and Mr. ROYDE

builder's Associatio
additional Graving Dock acco
docks.

Mr. SPzNez and Mr. R ONVETT, from

kssociation, express

of Mr. -Hartl
Mr. Gage
proceeded at

decided opinion in favour of M

and the forme

was then reque

Nhich we have already
•roha +1

nte. SECRETARY r

bed in t

I the folio

PROPOSED NE

by Mr. Gage, on the subject of th,
the port of Liverpool, and with
ground to the westward of the (

Wades to me personally

several defects in

and condemns a

posed new dock and warehouses, for which an
tained during the late session of parliament, it n
be expected that I should make some remarks on th
" In September, 1840, three plans, designed by Mr. G
(numbered 2,3, and 5), for laying out the whole of t
ground between the George's and Duke's Docks with ni
docks, were sent to me by the Dock Committee, with a
request that I would give them my opinion thereon ; this I
did in a report, dated 17th September, 18-10. The opinion I
then gave I still adhere to, but as that opinion was given in

general terms I will n
Mr. Ga

se's plans unfit for adoption.
jig plan No. 2, contains six canals of the varioi
of 210, 207, 213, and 138 feet, and varying in len
816 feet to 1,077 feet. These canals or docks ha,
area of 29 16-100 acres, and 4,701 lineal yards of qu
and are capable of holding as many vessels as the
George's, Canning, and King's Docks all put togel
culating on the old system of 10 square-rigged shi
acre. For the accommodation of these vessels hi
but one single entrance, through which all the shi

arriving or departing must
" Plan No. 3, has two si

311 with Ge

varying in length from 1,120 6

17feet to 102. feet
" Plan No. 5, is

having

in their va
wider at ti

a single er
ting but o

,d the Oa

for two c

'let
S'
r. -

has also a connection with George's Dock.
" The quays between all these canals are shown 1
wide, and Strand-street and the east side of tbP
Dock are shown only 93 feet wid-
ward or between the docks am. _
feet wide. Taking the principle upon
plans are designed, first into considerati
neral open trade of the port is concerr

and the ph
the increas
this nrincit

The Victoria, Trafalg

The quay to

and Waterl

to time laid before the Dock 6:1

which I have from time
mittee, and which I now produce
These clans. or most of them.

Mr. G

neral principle of t
far from
he had

Lgreeingwith Mr. Gage in cot

I do, to the ge
west, I am ver
cted dimension

narrowest dimension that any d
feet is more advisable; no dock
shipping that will not allow of th