The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

Mr. MAC ti:GLAY : Then there was a department?

Witness: T knew there was a central office, for I have
been there ; but I know of no despatches being transmitted
thither from the Swan committee. It may have been
sent to the central office, but I was not cognisant of the
fact. I have seen the state of the canvass,. but Zdo not
know whether it was anybody's duty or business to carry
the state of the canvass to the central office.. We had a
clerk and a chairman, and I swear that I do not know
of any communication whatever between the committee
room and the central office. I swear that, to the best of
my knowledge, I never heard mention made of any com-
munication from the central office. I was a member of
the ward committee, which was constituted for prosecuting
the canvass. Occasionally I was present at the meetings
held to discuss the state of the canvass. I was there on
most occasions. I incurred a little expense. I paid a
small bill for one of the committee rooms connected with
the ward. 'I paid between 30s. and £2 to Mr. Rigby,
from whom the room was taken. That is the only pay-
ment I ever paid on account of the election. I carried
the memorandum book to Mr. Jonas Gleave, who repaid
me the money subsequently. I am not aware that any
members of the committee incurred any expenses. We
had a clerk and canvassers—not paid canvassers, that 1
know. There-was no doorkeeper, that T know of. At
least I never saw such a person. "Neither was there a
messenger. I know of no expenses but for stationery and
books. I don't know bow many rooms we had at the
Swan. Ido not know of the small-room beside the com-
mittee room. do not know of a private room. I was
at the Swan on the polling day. 'I had a list of names.
My district was at some distance from the Swan. 'Nothing
more going on there than what concerned the election.
I went several times during the election to see how the
poll was going on. I merely ran in there as I was passing.
Wehad got another house for the convenienceof the polling.
They did not receiveslips of thestate of the poll that Iknow
of at the small room for which I paid. I don't remember
who the persons were at the Swan on the polling day. I
don't remember. Ido not know that Swetenham was
there. I have no-recollection of the subject. He was not
there checking the returns to my knowledge. I had
nothing to do at the Swan. I did not see ribbons at the
Swan till the nomination morning. They were not
rosettes. I saw ribbons merely. The ribbons were from
the general committee rooms, and I saw them given to
those parties who joined in the procession. I don't
know who distributed the ribbons. The ribbons, so
far as I know, were not tied to the top of sticks. I
was there, and did not see them. Except the 40s. paid
for the room employed during the day of the,poll, I made
no payment whatever. -I had nothing to do whatever
with the financial affairs. I know of no other outlay. I
may have seen letters from the central committee-room at
our committee ward, but-I don't recollect. I have not
seen on the table of our committee-room circulars from
the central office. I swear that I have not. -I did not
take any reports to the central-room. I called in to see
how things were moving—nothing more. As a member
of the Swan Committee, do not know that it was a part
of our duty to communicate with the central-office.
Cross-examined : I am a -wool broker in Liverpool.
Ibis ward committee was .a -standing body. Mr. Buck
Lloyd was chairman for the municipal election that I
have voted at ; Mr. Jonas Gleave secretary. In my
wand the voters were chiefly -householders. I had a
favourable canvass, which promised a majority ; a large
majority.

By -Mr. MACAULAY : This committee was the same
body that conducted the municipal election. I never
attended it in the course of a municipal election. I never,
either at one time or another, paid any money towards
paymeut.of the expenses.
Mr. .1171-ACAULAY : Who was responsible for the ex-
penses:?

Question objected to.
By the Ch-itamAs: I never saw anybody paid except
on the occasion when I paid the small bill.
By Mr. : I did not maice any stipulation as to
expenses before I entered upon my duties as a member of
the committee. I believe, from what I have heard since,
that it was the .same body that managed the municipal
election.

At this stage of the investigation the room .was cleared,
and upon the return of the reporters, the Chairman said :
I have to inform counsel that the committee have been
considering the length to which the examination in chief
of the witnesses has been proceeded with by the learned
counsel for the petitioners ; and I wish now to express
their opinion, that while they are perfectly aware of the
difficulty of counsel in examining witnesses whom they
believe to be unfavourable, the committee still think that,
:unless the examining counsel have reason to suppose that
the witness is purposely suppressing the facts, the exami-
nation should not be allowed to proceed on the prin-
ciple of a cross-examination, but that it should be con-
fined to the ordinary rule of examination in chief.

John Swetenham, examined by Sergt. KINGLAKE, said:
T am in business in Liverpool as a-eollector of debts. Before
the election I was out of employment. At the time of the
election I went and inquired at Jonas Gleave's if he could
employ me as poll-clerk or anything of that kind at the
election. That was four or five weeks before the election.
He is a plumber and a publican. I know him for many
years. He said he could not give me full employment,
but he would give me some. He was to employ me in
the committee-room, at his own house. I began on
Wednesday morning, when I went to the Derby Arms,
and commenced business in a private room by myself.
I found the books at which I was employed in the room.
I was occupied in that room for several days ; I cannot tell
how many ; and then I was told to go to the Swan. The
committee-room was opened across the road. I did go.
I went to one of the upper rooms on the first floor.
I saw there, while I was writing, various persons,—some
of them who were closeted with me. Mr. Riding, who
was chairman, was there, and I also saw Mr. J. Buck
Lloyd, who was an elector of the ward. Jonas Gleave was
the secretary, hut I can't say how many were on the com-
mittee. Mr. Leader was one whom I have seen there,
also Mr. Musker, Mr. Cooper, and Edward Wil-
liams, the latter of whom was frequently in and
out of the room. I have seen him running back-
wards and forwards, with notes, &c., which he some-
times handed to Jonas Gleave. I was there at the time
of the election. I was employed at the books and papers.
Canvassers brought statements to me. They called in
and gave in their returns. The canvassers did not set
cut from the committee-rooms. I know Mr. Horne; he
was a canvasser, so was John Smith, now in the post-
office; a person named Williams, not the same as I men-
tioned before; Russell, whom I understand is an agent
and broker, but I do not know where he lived. The
ward was divided into sixteen divisions, and I supposed
there was a canvasser for each division. I don't know
that the canvassers were paid, Besides attending to the

canvass I wrote circulars, having been ordered to do so by
Jonas Gleave. 1 bad nothing else to do. This was done
in the room up stairs. I kept the book till the election
was over. It was open in the rooms for any one to look
at. I know a room, No. 26, North John-street. I only
went once to that room for canvass books, when we were
short. I was sent by Mr. Jonas Gleave. He told me to
go to Mr. Buckmaster's office. I went and saw one of
the clerks, telling him that I wanted canvass books for the
Lime-street Ward Committee, and also a burgess list, as
ours had been destroyed. I said Jonas Gleave had sent
me. That was the only time I went. I believe I did
take one note to the secretary. I had instructions to
leave it for Mr. Buckmaster. I don't recollect the name
of any one I saw there. There was a placard with the
names of Turner and Mackenzie at our room. There
was no placard at the central office, in North John-
street that I know of,—at least with the candidates'
names upon it. At the ward committee office the rooms
were on the first floor. There was a small room, to
which the gentlemen occasionally retired. You had to
cross the landing. We had not the second room for
more than a few days that I know of. We had not a
third room that I am aware of. I never saw Messrs.
Mackenzie and Turner at Jonas Gleave's house. I have
seen them at the committee-room, where we procured
the canvass books. Jonas Gleave was present on several
occasions of the kind. I believe the candidates always
came together. They spoke about nothing but the canvass
and its progress. The canvassers usually attended the
candidates when they visited the ward-room. I saw Mr.
Thomas Bold in the room once. I did not see Mr. Hors-
fall there. It was a few days previous to the election
when Mr. Bold came. I don't know Mr. Buckley Jones.
I saw Mr. Lloyd there probably twice. I saw the members
in St. John's-market once. Jonas Gleave was walking
with them. I had nothing to do with money accounts,
and I saw none. I never was at Mr. Buck Lloyd's
office before the election, that I remember. I do recollect
going there before the election, a few days. I left a note
for him. I did not see him. I saw Mr. William's, the clerk.
On the first occasion I left a note with one of the clerks.
I never took notes during the election to any of the
others. I only received my wages from Jonas Gleave—
that was all the money I got. I did not see money paid
to any one. I never paid any money myself, nor was I
ever present when money was paid. I have never seen
Jonas Gleave or his wife pay money in connexion with
election business. I did not transmit any money at all.
No money, except my wages, passed into my hands. I
have no knowledge of rosettes having been made up there.
I did not give my wife any secret mark to put upon a
rosette. I never saw what was called an 1.0. U. I heard
talk about one in the committee-room. I heard there
were such things. Numbers of persons were in the room
at the time—sixty or seventy. It might have been some
of the committee who spoke, but I know not. The com-
mittee did not talk about it. I did not bear the committee
talk of it. The talk in the public room was a few days
before the election. I heard it twice or thrice spoken
about. I did not join in the conversation. People were
going backwards and forwards, and so was I. It was not
addressed to any of the committee.

By the CHAIRMAN : I never heard it spoken of by the
committee as a committee.

Examination resumed : I never saw a private card, de-
noting that the bearer was to receive money. I never put
a private mark upon a card to communicate to my wife
the amount of money which was to be given to a voter.
I never did pass any communication whatever to my wife,
by any way whatever, for such a purpose. I never sent a
card or paper to any other person, with a mark upon it; I
am certain I did not. I saw men carrying colours on the
day of the election. I was not present when they were
engaged, but I was informed that they were engaged by
Jonas Gleave. I saw a great number with a small stick
and a ribbon attached to it. I saw them in various parts
of the town. To the best of my recollection I have always
given the same account of these transactions. I knew a
person named Vincent, and I swear that I never told him
that I was in receipt of £5OO from Mr. Buck Lloyd's
office, through Mr. Edward Williams, his clerk. I believe
I never told him I was to receive any sum of money. I
never received any money, and I never did say that I re-
ceived it. I never told him or any one that I had gone
twice to Mr. Lloyd's, and that I received from his clerk,
Mr. Williams, at first £4OO and then £lOO. I never said
that money had been passed through a hole in the wall.
I have never said to any one that I had received money at
Husker's, nor at a hotel in Finch-street, or that I had
paid the money to them. I never said anything to a per-
son named Dixon, that, as my wife had assisted me as a
draper, her knowledge of the private marks facilitated the
payment of money at the election. I remember going to
Staleybridge with Dixon, and speaking to him about the
Liverpool election, and not about the bribery and corrup-
tion. I never told him that my wife got the private
mark, and that she put the money up for the voters. I
told him that I heard of such things, but I never saw
them.

Cross-examined by Mr. SMITH : There has always
been a committee-room for election purposes in the ward,
Mr. Buck Lloyd being a member of the committee. Jonas
Gleave had been secretary for some years of the com-
mittee, I believe. Any voters of the ward, or of any other
ward, could walk in and out of the room. It was open to
anybody. Speeches were made, and it became full occa-
sionally, so that all business was stopped. I saw the
candidates in St. John's Market, attended by about forty
or fifty people, and among them I saw Mr. Jonas Gleave.
I saw that they were•-eanvassing. I know George Turner,
and I have heard him say that he would " do that long
fellow, Jonas Gleave, and show him up when he got to
London, as he owed him a grudge." I heard him say
that in Lime-street. It was after the election. I told
Jonas Gleave of it, and he told me to make a memoran-
dum of it.

By the CHAIRMAN.: It was known during the day of
the evening on which the candidates visited the committce
room that they were to come. It was always known a
few hours before they came, that they were-to visit the
committee.

By Mr. BALL : The committee acted both in municipal
and parliamentary elections, end was composed, I believe,
of the same members and secretary. I have been engaged
before.
Mr. MACAULAY : Was the committee forthat ward for
municipal purposes composed of a joint body; Conservatives
and Whigs ?
Witness : Yes.

Mary, wife of Thomas Swetenham, examined by Mr.
MACAULAY, said : "recollect my husband being engaged
in the election. My husband was formerly a draper. I
did not know the trade electors. I was living at Liver-
pool during the time of the election. Ido not recollect
any gentleman presenting a card to me with a paper or
card, except a voting, paper for ivy father. Never received
from my husband any .eum of money to pay to any person.
1 did not make any rosettes. I did not see any made up.
I did not pay to any person any sum of money during the
election.

The evidence of this-witness—which proved to bezoectn-
plaely opposed to the hopes of the petitioners—was re-
ceived with much laughter.
Thomas Park Tudor, examined by Mr. &max, de-
posed : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last
election for Turner. I saw Jonas Gleave at his own
house previous to the election ; he asked me to vote for Tur-
ner and Mackenzie. I said yes. This was onthe nomination
day. I had been in before at Gleave's. It was on the
Friday before the election I first went in. On that occa-
sion I promised to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. I
was drunk. I went again on the Monday and on Tuesday.
The la: ter was the nomination day. I was drunk, although
I was sober at first. I ,first went about seven or eight
o'clock. I asked Gleave to let me carry a colour, and he
said yes ; he is a decent man is Gleave, and I cannot give
him a bad character. (Laughter). I got my ss. for
carrying the colour—(laughter)--but that was not bribery.
(Renewed laughter). Gleave paid me the money at his
back yard. I don't know what sort of a colour it was I
carried—whether it was the rnion Jack or what it was.
All the other colour-bearers were paid by Gleave at the
same time—one after the other. It was Gleave himself
who paid is. Some of the men who were paid were
voters. Most of us were voters. I have seen a man
named Sivetenham. I don't recollect if I saw him that
day, as I was tipsy. [The witness here renewed the most
unequivocal symptoms of being in .his ordinary condition,]
On the nomination morning I saw a man give Gleave
some gold in the parlour. The man who brought the
gold had a red book. I saw Gleave -write in the book.
.don't know what he wrote. I'm no " schollard." After
writing in the book, he gave it back to the man. There
were more -than one or two sovereigns. I heard them
talking, but did not hear the subject of.their conversation.
The man might he there for a quarter of an hour. I
don't know the man's name. and I have not seen him
since. I went back to the Derby Arms after the nomi-
nation.rand staid •there all night. I happened to be at
the •Swaa after the election. I walked there. I went to
have a look at it. The wag sifter the election. Three
days after it. I went into an up-stairs room, for the pur-
pose of seeing it. (Laughter). I did not find any per-
son in the room—only myself. I had some ale. I did
not notice any hole in the panel of the door. I never saw
any one get anything any time, either down stairs or up
stairs. I saw co hand put through the panel with a rib.
bon containing money wrapt up in it.

Mr. BODKIN: Did you not swear to the solicitorafor the
ere up, and took the
was a sovereign 1
petitioners that, when you wee into the room, a hand
was put through the panel of the door, and every time it
appearedfrom
om onei
to., f i th
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h ic colourh ro-sbeetat
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Witness : I did say that; but I did not swear it.
Mr. BODKIN: It was false ? it was a lie *,—But I did
not swear to it.

Hon. Mr. MAXWELL Do you mean to state that what
you said on a former occasion was not the fact ?

1-Vitness : It was a lie.

AMr. BODKIN : Was that statement not put down in
writing, and signed by you with your mark ?
Witness : I did put my mark to it. That was in a
house where they took me ; and, as I wanted to get plenty
of drink out of them, I carried them on ; but what I told
them was all lies. They made me quite drunk then.
(Laughter.)
The CHAIRMAN : Then, do you mean to say you were
drunk when you made the false statement ?
Witness : To be sure ; I was quite drunk.
Mr. BonxIN: Were you sober when you began to tell
the story ?
Witness : No ; I had been drinking for three weeks
before that. (Laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN : How did you get drunk so long ? where
did the money come from ?
Witness : 0, I worked, and got drunk too. (Laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN : You say you got ss. for carrying the
colours on the nomination day; is that true or false ?
Witness : Oh ! that is quite true. At least they gave
another person the cash to give me, as they said it would
be bribery to give it to me. Now, I have no more to add,
for if I said any more it would be nothing but a parcel of
lies. (Laughter.)
Mr. DonalN : You have said you told these lies to get
drunk. Have you not been examined since the first time
by a gentleman in London on the part of the petitioners,
a hen you were quite sober, and when, being quite sober,
you swore to the truth of all that you had previously
stated ?

Witness (after a long pause); I know the gentleman

MONDAY, JUNE 6.

The inquiry was resumed this morning at 12 o'clock.
The attendance of strangers was exceedingly small. The
first witness called was

John Calderwood, examined by Mr. PAGET, who de-
posed : I am secretary to the Concert-hall Company,
Lord Nelson-street, which is let for the purpose of pub-
lic concerts. I remember that, previous to the last elec-
tion, various meetings of the ward were held in the hall.
The 19,h of April, the 4th of May, the 16th of June, and
the 25th of June, were the dates of meetings held in the
hall—the latter a Welsh meeting on the Papal Hierarchy;
and that of the 16th of June was called to hear a lecture
on the 'Papal Policy. The first two meetings were com-
posed of the Lime-street ward, the room having been
taken by. Jonas Gteave for electioneering purposes. I was
present at the first, on the 19th of April, and heard va-
rious speeches delivered. The meeting on the Papal
Policy was presided over by Mr. Lewis, and the Rev. Mr.
James was a speaker. The most of the speeches were in
Welsh, and also the lecture on the Papal Policy. Ido
not understand Welsh, and so I cannot say that they
referred in their speeches to the election. I was not pre-
sent at the meeting held on the 16th of June. On all
those occasions-the room was taken by Mr. Jonas Cleave.
I received- the money from Cleave, for the one on the
16th included. which was generally known as the " Pious
Dodge Meeting." (Laughter). Ido not know who was
in the chair at the 25th of June meeting. I did not see
the candidates present at any of these meetings.

Cross-examined by Mr. M. SMITH : The first meeting
was open to the Lime-street Ward. I take no interest in
political matters. I can't call to mind that Mr. Gleave
hired the hall previous to these meetings. I can't posi-
tively say. Yes, he has engaged the hall previously for
some time for municipal meetings.
By Mr. PAGET lam a member of no election com-
mittee. I confine myself to the duties of my office.
By the CHAIRII,IA/s7; On two occasions I received the
money from Gleave's hands, and on the other occasions I
sent receipts by the porter to Mr. Gleave's, and the
money was paid. I cannot swear to receiving it for the
6th and 25th from Mr. Gleave.
To Mr. BALL : The room was ordered for the Lime-
street Ward committee of election for Mackenzie and
Turner. On all occasions I consider that the hall was
taken for the same parties.
William Allanson was here recalled, and on Mr. George
Henry Horsfall being introduced to the room, the witness
identified him as the person whom he understood to be
Mr. Charles Henry Horsfall.
Mr. SMITH : Did you not say that he was thin ?
(Laughter, in which Mr. Horsfall good-naturedly
joined.)

Mr. SMITIf : Now, there are two statements the wit •
ness made—that he was thin, and that he was like my
friend Mr. Rodwell. Now, he is neither the one nor the
other. (Laughter.)

The CHAIRMAN observed that the witness had stated
that Mr. Horsfall was very handsome.
I The witness Allanson's examination-in-chief was then
resumed : I went to do repairs at the ward-room. I saw
Mr. Wood there on the election morning, and various other
gentlemen. I was there the greater p rt of the day. The
houso is in Scotland-road, at the corer of Great Mersey-
street. Was employed to fit it up as a committee-room.
There was a sort of a temporary counter fitted up there.
There was a sort of an opening at one end of it—a flat
piece on a hinge. There was an opening underneath at
the end as well. The counter was fixed ; that was part of
the work I had been employed to fit up. While I WfiS in
the room lie passed me some ribbons under the counter.
Standing on one side he passed them under the counter to
me on the other. I gave them away to different people ;
I may say to a dozen or two. Some were loose, and some
were in a paper. I think I did keep two or three of them
to myself. I only kept one. None of those ribbons were
folded or wrapt up. That I distinctly swear. None of
them were made up Into a rosette or favor. I polled that
day, I think, between two or three. I returned to the

committee-room after polling at the Town-hall. I found
Mr. Roskell there, but I don't think Mr. Horsfall was.
I know a person named Charles Kaye. I saw him on the
Sunday before the election.
Mr. PAGET : Did he say anything about his vote ?
Objected to by Mr. M. SMITH, on the ground that
Kaye was not one of the parties named in the list.
Witness recalled : I asked Kaye for his vote, and I
asked a good many others to vote for Mackenzie and
Turner. They all seemed to be on that side. I went to
canvass, but I was not a regular man : I was only for the
day. The two days before I took no part in the election
at all. Very likely I did tell those parties (Horsfall and
the others), that I had been canvassing. They both were
present, Mr. Horsfall and Mr. Roskell, when I told them.
Mr. PAGET : What did you say to them about having
seen Kaye ?
Question objected to ; upon which

Mr. PAGET stated, that he proposed to show that,
under the direction of Roskell and Horsfall, the witness
bribed the voter Kaye—testimony which would not in-
volve the members, until the two parties, Horsfall and
Roskell, had been connected with the sitting members as
their recognised agents. He proposed simply to show
that the witness Allanson had been agent for the commis-
sion of bribery of the two gentlemen named, Messrs.
Roskell and Horsfall.

Witness recalled : After I saw Kaye I saw Roskell and
Horsfall. Neither of those gentlemen gave me any direc-
tion at that time.

Mr. PAGET—Did either of those gentlemen say any-
thing to you about Kaye at that time.
Question objected to by Mr. M. Smith, and witness
again withdrawn, Objection over-ruled.
Witness recalled : Kaye bad voted, I saw him. After
the conversation with Horsfall and Roskcll, I saw Kaye.
I think he bad voted then, for we had a glass of ale
together. (Laughter.) I did not see him poll. I was at
the Liver Inn during; the day. Kaye was there with me
during the day. I was there in the afternoon of the elec-
tion day with him, between the hours of three and four.
The Liver Inn is about two minutes walk from the com-
mittee room. lam not aware that there was any com-
mittee-room at the Liver Inn. Besides the ss. 6d. I told
you of, I received £lOO out of the Liverpool and London
Assurance Society. This was at the election time. I
know Mr. Johnson, a solicitor.
Mr. PAGET : Now, did you not from him receive a
pound after the time of the election ?

Witness : No, sir.
Mr. PAGET : Did you receive that sum about the time
of the election ?
Witness : No, sir.
Mr. PAGET : Nor 10s., nor any other sum ?
Witness : Never.

Mr. PAGET : Did you ever say to any person that
" they had paid you - well for what you done for
them."
Witness : I swear that I never did.
Examination continued : I mean Mr. Johnson, the so-
licitor, of Castle-street, when I say Mr. Johnson. I
never did say to Mr. Johnson that I would do nothing
for the election, or in connexion with it. if I were not
paid for it first. I never said to any one that I had re-
ceived money wrapped up in ribbon.
By Mr. SMITH : The ribbons were merely passed to
me under the counter, and I distributed them, giving
them to any one who asked for them.
Mr. M. SIHITH : What dreadful things these ribbons
must have been ?

By Mr. SMITH : In addition to the gentlemen whom I
mentioned as having seen at the committee-room, there
were were many others present who appeared to take an
interest in the election.

By the CHAIRMAN : Some of the ribbons given me
were wrapped up, and others were not. There appeared
to me to be no difference between them.

Mullington Waltheve, examined by Mr. BODKIN, swore :
I live at No. 2, Talfourd-street, Liverpool, and I was
engaged at the last Liverpool election by the committee
for conducting the election of Messrs. Mackenzie and
Turner. I was engaged by Mr. Buckmaster. I was first
engaged in the month of April—to be generally useful. I
was to be paid ss. a day. I was not introduced to Mr.
Buckmaster by any person. I knew Mr. Peacock, but I
had not spoken to him on the subject. I saw Mr. Buck-
master at the Constitutional Association. I was first
employed in Everton, from which the requisition first
came. The committee room was at Halliday's, the Ever-
ton Coffee-house. 1 was sent there by Mr. Buckmaster,
and that was the place of my business at first. I
had to go up to that ward to get requisitionists
to sign. I did not bring back my sheets to the room in
John-street. I gave my sheets to another person who
pursued the same kind of employment. I went back to
the rooms in John-street, where I saw Mr. Buckmaster,
and I informed him of what I bad done in Everton. I was
then sent for to go into Scotland-ward, still with the re-
quisition. I was directed both by Mr. Peacock and Mr.
Buckmaster. I went to Mr. Blundell's, in Scotland-ward.
There were no gentlemen meeting there when I went ;
but in the course of three weeks I saw the gentlemen
there. They had a secretary, Mr. Clegg. I have heard
that he is in the employ of Mr. Horsfall, and I have
seen him in Mr. Horsfall's office. He is a clerk,
I believe. Besides him, there were several other
persons, all at the desk. He is Mr. Horsfall, of the
firm of Horsfall and Son. I was employed in Scotland
ward for about five or six weeks. I was there with the
requisition first, and afterwards with the canvassers. The
requisition did not take long—say about five or six days.
Mr. Clegg commenced to act as the secretary of the com-
mittee. Mr. Thomas Dover was the chairman of the
ward, and Mr. Waterston was deputy chairman. Mr.
Burroughs was a member of the committee, and also Mr.
Bowers and Mr. Taylor. Mr. Horsfall was not on the
committee. Mr. Blundell was upon the committee; he
kept the house. Mr. Richard Briscoe was one. There
were two persons named Sefton on the committee. I
remember Joseph Healing ; he was on the committee.
They met to receive the reports of the canvassers,
and those reports were entered in what we called ward
books. This continued for about a month ; Mr. Clegg,
at the conclusion of that time, said there was no further
need for my services there, and sent me to the central
committee. That took place about three weeks before
the election. During the time I was so employed I was
chiefly at Mr. Blundell's—at least part of the day. 1
went early in the morning, and looked in now and again.
I canvassed, and reported, as the other canvassers did, the
result of my vvork. While the committee held their
meetings of an evening Mr. Clegg wrote the names in the
ward book. During the time I was employed I was at
Blundell's every evening, but notallday. During the month
I was sent from the committee to the central committee
once or twice. When we wanted more stationery I went to
the central committee-room to get it. Mr.Buckmaster told
me to get it. I never took a return of the canvas to the cen-
tral committee-room. Mr. Clegg was the person to do so,
but I never saw him do it. I made a return to him at an
office in John-street—not the central office. He did not
tell me what the returns were for. When I gave Mr.
Clegg the returns I thought he brought them to the
central committee. I did not hear Mr. Clegg receive any
instructions to take them there. The returns were made
out once a week. I was employed at the central com-
mittee for three weeks before the election. 1 canvassed
the out-voters for two or three days, by the directions of
Mr. Buck master. I was employed in the lower room, and
then in the upper room, for the rest of the time. My duty
was to copy any papers I got. The papers I copied had
nothing to do with the canvas. I sometimes delivered
notes summoning committees. There was a general
central committee. I assisted in summoning them. [Sum-
mons put into the hands of witness.] The summonses had
engraved heads. That is the same engraving as the one
at the head of this note ; and I filled up such notes. There
was a Finance Committee, and I assisted in filling up
many of the summonses. Ido not recollect the names of
the other committees. There was, I think, a Car Com-
mittee ; and I rather think there was a Music or Band
Committee. The Car, as well as the Finance Committee
met at the Central Committee-rooms. This was at the
period I was emoloyed down stairs. When I was subse-
quently removed up stairs it became my duty to make out
lists of the voters. I can't say there was a general re-
cord of the canvass kept at the Central Committee-room.
I was in the habit of separating the voters into wards from
the general list. They were afterwards put on boards,
but I don't know what was done with them. I saw none
of the boards, however, at the Ward Committees. I ne-
ver saw either of the sitting members at the Central
Committee-room whilst I was employed there. I went
there in the morning, at nine o'clock. I remained in the
upper room until seven o'clock. I did not sit in the com-
mittee-room while I was below stairs. Neither did I ever
see a doorkeeper. After this a note came, and I was sent
to Scotland Ward, to Mr. Pyecroft's, the landlord of the
Wheatsheaf Inn. Mr. Watson was there when I went.
Mr. Buckmaster sent me to Scotland Ward to attend to
the note. He gave me the note ; but 1 must have de-
stroyed it ; and 1 have it not now. The note was to the
effect, that Mr. Buckmaster should send me up ; and, in
accordance with the request, he did so. A great many of
the members of the committee were the same as attended
at the public-house occupied by Blundell. The de-
puty-chairman was Mr. Watson. I remained at the
Wheatsheaf till the day of the election, and then I went
to Mr. Anthony's, who lives in Great Homer-street. I
went there before I went to the central rooms ; but I was
only employed for one night. I also went to Mr. Robert
Well's, at the corner of Bevington-hill. I was also at
Kelly's, of Chadwick-street, at the corner of Love-lane,
for one night. Mr. Watson, the deputy-chairman,
attended every one of the meetings at that place of
assemblage, and the business of the election was carried
on there. There were no placards outside these houses
which I have named. Yes, there were placards with
" Mackenzie and Turner's committee room" on them,
outside of Blundell's, Pyecroft's, and the central com-
mittee rooms. I have known Mr. Watson to say he was
going down to the central committee rooms. I have seen
him leave the ward committee then. I made my own
account and expenses for this ward out. I drew Mr.
Blundell an account out once for the expense of the room,
at his direction. There was a charge also for refreshment
for the committee. I was the only paid servant there. I
made my account out on a Friday night to the end of the
week. Mr. Blundell's was made out in the same way. I
delivered my account to Mr. Clegg, and sometimes Mr.
Watson took it down to the central office to get it paid.
Mr. Watson paid me on one or two occasions, but Mr.
Clegg has also paid me. I did not see them take my account
to the central office. I remember the last occasion upon
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which I received money for my services rendered the
Scotland ward; I was paid by Mr. Buckmaster it was
only for a fourth of a week. I went to the central
committee rooms to be paid. I can't recollect
whether any one was present. It was after the polling.
Watson.W
I was told I must go to the central office by Mr.
I know of no demand of Mr. Blundell's being paid there
after the election. I can't say that the finance committee
sat generally on a Saturday. I have seen Mr. Watson at
the central rooms on a Saturday after the finance commit.
tee had first sat. I never saw him take away money. I
saw him go into the room and come out. I never saw him
pay anything there. I remember that a person of the
name of Briscoe was engaged at the central committee
room. I saw a couple of men whom I knew to be letter-
carriers at Pyecroft's, but I did not see any letters
with
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them. They went nto the front committee room, I was
on the stairs t<<J the time they were in. I went into the