The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1849-09-11 00:00:00

ther agitation on this question should be set at rest, for if which had been served on the Mayor, Aldermen, and,
there was one thing more than another calculated to injure burgesses, warning them not to appropriate ary portion of
the character of the Corporation, he really thought it was the corporate estate to the construction of the Rivington
the interminable and unfortunate agitation on this subject. Water Works.
Mr. Harbord had told them that Mr. Hawksley had been Mr. HARBORD :—What is the consequence of that no-
guilty of obstructing the delivery of these pipes. Now, if flee ?
that were the case it would have been quite as well for Mr. Alderman HORSFALL :—(Who was then acting as the
Harbord to have stated in what the obstruction consisted, ' Mayor's locum tenems)—Of no consequence whatever.
in order that the council might have it remedied. If there (Laughter.)
had been grounds for the assertion, be, as Chairman of The Council then adjourned.
the Water Committee, should have stated them, and he
(Mr. H.) for one would have joined him in procuring an
inquiry into the subject. The chairman had told them
teat they could not offer security to any future bond-
holders. He regretted that an attempt had been made to
show that the Water Committee and the Council could
not meet their engagements. It was a stigma on the Cor-
poration of Liverpool if they were for a moment to admit •
that their security was not as good as any in the world.
If these gentlemen were stating the fact when they made
such declarations, Mr. Parker would not be able to go on
with his baths, nor would any public work be done in
Liverpool, for it was quite notorious that they could not
go on sometimes without overdrawing their account at
the banker's ; but for any gentleman to- say that because
that was the case that a single debt could not be paid,
was the most monstrous thing he ever heard of.—(Hear,
hear.) Then they were told about taking the advice of
counsel. He (Mr. H.) objected to the expense of 'taking
the advice of counsel on every question. He did nut
hesitate to say that he would sooner take the advice of the
Town-clerk on the generality of questions than the advice
of all the barristers in the kingdom. And he would
remind the Council that this came badly from gentlemen
who were the professed advocates of economy. It was
strange doctrine to come from them.—( Hear, hear.) Mr.
Bennetthad told them that there were thousands of pounds
to be paid to Messrs. Allen. Neil and Co. If the present
Water Committee have ordered these pipes—
Mr. Beeaerr.—: of the present committee.
Mr. S. HOLME.—WeII then, if they are wanted, no
matter who ordered them.
Mr. BeleNerr.—They are not wanted.
Mr. S. Hoeme.—Has he not told us that pipes are
breaking every day.
Mr. Beemerr.—Most of these are too small for our use
Mr. S. HOLME contended that pipes of all sizes would
be required ; and complained that the cry of bankruptcy
had been raised by the Water Committee. He believed
that that cry. however, was not much regarded at present,
for recently a friend of his bad told him that he would
lend the Special Committee a sum of money which he
had in the bank, but be would not trust a shilling to the
present Water Committee.—(Hear, hear.) With regard
to their security, it was notorious that the old company
were going to parliament to borrow £200,000 on the same
security which they then held, and that in addition, they
guaranteed a 10 per cent. dividend to the shareholders.
With reference to the outlay of £30,000 on the present
works, lie for one could not sanction the expenditure of
such a sum. He begged to say that acting in a spirit of
true economy, he did not think that it would be for the
public benefit if such s sum were expended ; in fact, he
believed the greater portion of it would be thrown away.
For these and various other reaso. s he would not consent
to the outlay of so much money.
Mr. THOMPSON believed that even if they bad all the
water at Rivington, in addition to the whole of the Red
Sandstone supply, they would not have more than would
be required to cleanse the sewers of the town.
Mr. WooDRUFFE objected to the proceedings on the
ground that the committee had refused to pay the amount
of the poor rates. If the corporation was to go on ex-
pending money on the Birkenhead ferry, and on lawyers,
they would soon have a pauperized town.
Mr. S. HOLME moved that the proceedings be con-
firmed, except that portion which related to the expendi-
ture of £30,000 in the repairs of the old works.
Alderman HORSFALL asked the chairman whether it
was contemplated tc lay out the whole of the £30,000, or
only so much of it as related to the Green-lane works ?
If it was intended to lay out the whole of the sum he
would vote for the amendment.; if not, he would support
the proceedings. If the committee merely intended to
keep the works in repair till they got the water from
Rivington he would support them.
Mr. HARBORD explained that the resolution of a pre-
vious council went to the effect that the whole of the
£30,000 was to be expended ; but now they were anxious
to have the advice of the council as to the amount of
money which they should expend. They were not willing
to spend money which hereafter might not be useful.
Mr. S. HOLME then said, that as he had no desire to
hamper the Water Committee, he would now beg leave
to substitute an amendment to the following effect,—
That so much money only be expended as will be required
to put the Green-lane works in a state of efficiency.
Mr. HARBORD.—Say Green-lane and other works.
Mr. S. HOLME.-1 have no objection if I am assured
that no money will be expended in sinking wells and
repairing engines, which I contend cannot be repaired.
I would rather say "Green-lane."
The TOWN-CLERK then read the engineer's report on
the quantity of works which were requisite at present.
Mr. HARBORD said the works to be proceeded with
were what were likely to be required. No matter from
what source they got the supply.
Mr. S. HOLME said that he was willing to do anything
which he could to enable the committee to make the
works efficient. He hoped the committee would now lay
down the 44-inch main, as it would then be permanent.
Mr. RoGERs seconded the amendment.
Mr. AIKIN said if it was necessary for their present
supply he would agree to it ; but if it was to increase the
local supply, and thereby to obviate the necessity for
going to Rivington, he would be against, it.
Alderman Honseeee then handed up the following
amendment :—" That the proceedings of the Water
Committee be confirmed, except the resolution of the
committee of the 2d of August, relative to the
payment of the London Vulcan Company, for pipes
delivered under their contract, which resolution is
not confirmed, but is referred to the Special Water
Committee ; and except also as to the recommen-
dation to carry into effect the repairs and improvements
of the existing works—as to which it is an instruction to
the Water committee to expend only so much money as
is necessary to keep the stations and works in efficient
working condition."
This amendment was then substituted for that proposed
by Mr. Holme. •
Mr. Heanortra—l accept that amendment.
Mr. MORRIS asked if the passing of that amendment
would prevent the committee from constructing the pro-
posed cooling ponds at Windsor ? He was only sorry
that the committee had not previously executed these
works, as they were very much wanted, and especially so
as the expenditure would he so trifling.
Mr. HARBORD then rose to reply, and said he was
anxious now that both sides should fully understand each
other's position. Mr. Holme had taken him to task
for stating, that if any person was to blame for the
delay which occurred in the delivery of the pipes,
that person was Mr. Hawksley. He now stated
so again, and here was his warrant for doing so. Mr.
H. then referred to the resolutions of the 9th and
18th of June, 1849, empowering Mr. Hawksley to look
out for a piece of land belonging to Mr. Stewart, for the
purpose of stowing the 44-inch pipes upon ; and also
directing Mr. Hawksley to have a proving machine con-
structed. The fault then was Mr. Hawksley's, and not
that of the committee. He defied any gentleman to prove
against the Water Committee, that they had been guilty
of a single act whiche,ould be construed into an obstruc-
tion to the storeing of these pipes. Mr. Holme had
talked of the security of the water account. Now, the only
security which they (the Special Committee) had to offer,
was the security of thewater account, and that wasso nearly
absorbed by the present exigencies of 'the committee, that
it could not be relied upon for the construction of new
works.. With regard to the case of Baths and Wash-
houses, adduced by Mr. Holme, the Finance Committee,
when it wanted money for such purposes, had the power
to pawn the corporate estate for the required amount.
There was no parallel in the cases at all. Then again,
Holme said that he considered the opinion of the
Town-clerk of Liverpool, superior to all the barristers in
the world.
Mr. S. Hoene.—On the generality of these matters.
Mr. HARBORD could not wonder at Mr. Holme for
preferring the opinion of the Town-clerk on these matters,
inasmuch as it happened in this case that the opinions of
the Town-clerk were at variance with the opinion of some
of the most eminent lawyers in the kingdom. (Hear.)
He could tell Mr. Holme's friend that the special com-
mittee to whom it appeared that he was simple enough to
offer to lend his money, bad not a single atom of security
to give him beyond a few thousand pounds; and if on that
security people were silly enough to lend money, why let
them do so. He thought it was their duty distinctly to
open the eyes of the public on this matter. He had
stated this before, and he now reiterated it—that under
the present water act parties who had lent money could
not compel the repayment of a single farthing of it, and
those who had money to lend had but the security which
he had just named. Mr. Holme had referred to the old
company going to Parliament for power to borrow £200,000
additional on their works; but he would ask what differ-
ence was there between the position of the Corporation
as compared with that of the company? The company
were enabled to give 10 per cent. dividend to the share-
holders, whilst the Corporation bought that property
at a 10 per cent. purchase, and in addition they were
compelled to sustain the expense of a ruinous contest in
parliament. A great deal had been said of repudiation.
It would seem that there were two parties in the council,
one of which was composed of honest, honourable men,
and the other of dishonourable repudiators; and it also
appeared that the gentlemen who would put their hands
into the pockets of the rate payers, and pay away sums of
money which were contracted for in an illegal manner,
were to be considered as the honest, honourable, straight-
forward men, whilst those who refused to pay till they
had legal authority for doing so were regarded as repudi-
ators. But he could assure the council that all that the
committee had done in putting that resolution on the
books was to direct the attention of the parties to the
fact that they had their remedy in a court of law against
the Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of Liverpool, and to
that complexion it would come at last. With reference
to the improvement of the present works he could assure
them that if something be not soon done to remedy the
present waste of water the people would be in a bad state.
He had the authority of the borough engineer for stating,
that of the four million gallons of water which was daily
supplied, at least one third of that quantity went to waste
through imperfect pipeage. He hoped, therefore, that
the proceedings would be confirmed, so as to enable them
to make the necessary repairs.
The amendment, as proposed by Mr. Alderman Horsfall,
and seconded by Mr. S. Holme, was then put and carried
nein. dis.

GENERAL TRADE REPORT.

There has been a want of life displayed in the com-
mercial transactions of the past week, notwithstanding
that a steady home consumption has been going on ; but
as a few days more will develope more certainly the
amount of our grain crops, and increase the means of
estimating the probable yield of the coming cotton crop
in America, we may fairly look forward, with our ample
monetary resources, to a cheering prospect for the future.
At the time of writing, (four o'clock,) there is a thick
fog outside, and as yet we have received no tidings of the
steamer, but she is hourly expected. In the meanwhile,
we have had a quiet Cotton market to-day ; but, although
there were few country buyers present, and the sales only
reached 6.000 bales, (1,000 on speculation and for export,)
prices ruled very steady.
The Share market closes more than usually firm this
week, and has the appearance of being on the eve of an
advance. There is a preponderance of buyers, with stock
very scarce. Very large purchases of Midland £5O-shares
have been made during the week ; these shares at their
present price paying a high rate of interest, and being,
depressed merely by the management of the bears. This
day's transactions are quoted as follows :—Chester and
Birkenhead, 134; Do. £22-shares, dis. ; Leeds pref.,
124; Crosby and Southport. 3 dis. ; London 4-shares,
11 4 pm. ; Great Grimsby, 151; Midland £5O-shares,
161 4 dis. ; North Stafford, 74 dis.
There is rather more inquiry to-day for Sugar, and 120
hhds Antigua have been sold at full prices. A sale of
300 puns. of Demerara Rum is advertised for Thursday,
which is expected to go off with spirit. The Tea market
is very firm, but not much doing. Notwithstanding the
partial bad accounts of the potato disease, Rice continues
extremely difficult of tale. The descriptions of Coffee
suitable for export are still in favour, at advancing prices.
Our Wool market has been rather quiet this week,
which may be accounted for by there being such a poor
stock on hand. Thu London sales will commence on the
13th instant, and will consist of 40,000 balea colonial.
The imports for the past week amount to 114 bales Fo-
reign, 50 Irish, 621 Scotch, and 76 English.
The arrivals of Timber from British America since the
Ist consist of 7 vessels, 3700 tons. The sales are as fol-
low : Of St. John two cargoes rave been sold at 18d. to
184 d. for Pine, 174 d. for Birch ; Spruce Deals at £7 7s. 6d.
and £9 10s. per standard for yellow deals, with cargo;
and a part of one cargo of Spruce Deals has been sold
from the yard at £7 10s. per standard.—Of Quebec two
cargoes Pine have been sold at 14d. to 14}d. per foot.—
Mahogany : the demand for Baywood is increasing, and
the transactions by private have been considerable, chiefly
for shipbuilding.
We have a better, though by no means a large, business
to report in American Provisions this week, with little
alteration in prices, the turn being in favour of the buyer.
Irish Butter moves slowly, but prices are unchanged ;
and Lard sells at somewhat easier rates.
The Corn markets still recede, and public opinion con-
tinues in favour of the downward movement. Some par-
ties, however contend that, with a late harvest in the
north, a considerable quantity of the best dry new whgats
will be required in that. quarter for mixing ; and that,
with barley setting in at a higher figure relatively than
other grain, which may probably be the case, growers in
the south will prefer thrashing that article to wheat at
42a., assuming barley to start at 265. to 28s. per qr. ; in
which case we might look for supplies diminishing in those
places where large deliveries have already taken place, and
a firmness being imparted to the trade in consequence.
But this position, although very logically taken, involves
so many ifs, that we see no just reason at present for
differing with the views nearly universally entertained, of
a further depreciation in the value of all kinds of grain.
At London' to-day Wheat declined Is. to 25., at which a
, good business was done, new Wheats coining in in very
good condition. The recurrence of rain last evening and
to-day will make very little difference in this locality, the
grain crops being nearly all secured, and prices in Bruns-
; wick-street remain nominally the same. The demand for
Indian Corn for consumption seems to have entirely
teaser, and it is only by the few speculative sales in
that article that prices are maintained.—ln the southern
districts of England the grain crops are now well se-
cured, and abundant in quantity ; and although in
some parts of the north harvest operations were
'slightly impeded by unsettled weather in the early
portion of last week, the fields presented a busy
, scene when our Saturday's letteri left. The weather
I throughout Ireland has also been remarkably favourable ;
and the cry of " potato disease," attempted to be raised,
is dying away again, the crop being considered much au-
' pevior to that at last year, in every respect, and likely to
keep better, so that we may expect the markets to be well
I supplied during the winter at a moderate price.

INTERESTING CASE OF CLAIRVOYANCE:
RECOVERY OF £650.

(Prom the Bolton Chronicle.)
On Saturday, July 14, a letter was received by Messrs.
P. It. Arrowsmith and Co., of this town, from Bradford,
Yorkshire, containing a Bank of England note for £5OO,
another for £5O, and a Bill of Exchange for £lOO.
These Mr. Arrowsmith handed over in his regular mode of
business to Mr. William Lotnax, his cashier, who took or
sent, as he supposed, the whole to the Bank of Bolton,
and made an entry accordingly in his cash book. The
bank book was then at the bank, so that no memorandum
of the payment was received or expected. After the ex-
piration of about five weeks, upon comparing the bank
book with the cash book, it was found that no entry for
these sums was in the bank book. Inquiry was then
made at the bank, but nothing was known of the money,
nor was there any entry existing in any book or paper
there; and after searching no trace could be found of the
missing money. In fact, the parties at the bank denied
ever having received the sum, or knowing anything of the
transaction. Before the discovery of the loss the bill had
become due ; but, upon inquiry, after the loss was disco-
vered, it was found that it had not been presented for pay-
ment. It was therefore concluded, that as the notes and
bill could not be found at the bank, nor any trace or entry
connected with them, the probability was, that they were
lost or stolen. and that the bill had been destroyed to
Prevent detection. Mr. Lomax had a distinct recollection
of having received the notes, &c., from Mr, Arrowsmith ;
but from the length of time that had elapsed when the
loss was discovered, he could not remember what he had
done with them—whether he had taken them to the bank
-or sent them by the accustomed messenger; nor could
the messenger recollect anything about them.
As might be expected, this unaccountable loss occa-
sioned great anxiety to Mr. Lomax ; and, in this emer-
gency, he applied to a friend to whom the discovery of
Mr. Wood's cash cash box was known, to ascertain the
probability of the notes, &c., being found by the aid of
clairvoyance. The friend replied that he saw no greater
difficulty in the case than in Woods's, and recommended
him to make the inquiry, which be said he would do, if
only for own satisfaction.
On Friday, August 24, Mr. Lomax, accompanied by
Mr. F. Jones, of Ashburner-street, Bolton, called on
Mr. Haddock for this purpose. The clairvoyante was put
into a psychic state, and then into connection with Mr.
Lomax. She directly asked for "the papers," meaning
the letter in which the notes and bill were enclosed ; but
this Mr. Lomax did not happen to have in his possession,
and she said she could not tell anything without it. This
sitting, therefore, was so far useless. The next day Mr.
Lomax brought the letter, and Mr. Haddock requested
that the contents might not be communicated to him, lest
it should be supposed that he had suggested anything to
her. After considerable thought the clairvoyant said that
there had been three different papers for money in that
letter, not post-office orders, but papers that came out of
a place where people kept money in (a bank), and were to
be taken to another place of a similar kind. That these
papers came in the letter to another gentleman (Mr. Ar-
rowsmith), who gave them to the one present (Mr. Lo-
max), who put them in a paper, and put them in a red
book that wrapped round (a pocket-book,) Mr. Lomax
then, to the surprise of Mr. Haddock, pulled from his coat
pocket a deep red pocket-book, made just as she had de-
scribed it, and said, that was the book in which he was in
the habit of placing similar papers.
Mr. Lomax said that the clairvoyante was right ; that
the letter contained two Bank of England notes and a bill
of Exchange ; but did not say what was the value of the
notes. Mr. Haddock then put a £lO Bank of England
rote into the clairvoyante's hand ; she said that two of the
paper's were like that, but more valuable and that the
black and white word at the corner was longer. She
further said, that these notes, &c., were taken to a place
where money was kept (a bank) down there (pointing
towards Deansgate). Beyond this no further enquiry was
made at that sitting.
On Monday Mr. Lomax called again. The clairvoyante
went over the case again, entering more minutely into
particulars. She persisted in her former statements ; that
she could see the " marks" of the notes in the red pocket.
book, and could see them in the banking house; that they
were in paper, and put along with many more papers in a
part of the bank; that they were taken by a man at
.the
bank, who put them aside without making any entry, or
taking any further notice of them. She said thast the peo-
ple at the bank did not mean to do wrong, but that it
arose from the want of due attention. Upon its being
stated that she might be wrong, and requesting her to
look elsewhere, she said that it was no use ; that she could
see they were in the bank, and nowhere else; that she
could not say anything else, without saying what was not
true; and that if search was made at the bank, there she
said they would be found. In the evening Mr. Arrow-
smith, Mr. Makant, and Mr. Jones came again, and she
was put in the psychic state to repeat these particulars in
their presence, which she did.
Mr. Haddock then said to Mr. Arrowsmith that he was
tolerably confident that the clairvoyante was right, and
that he should recommend him to go next day to the
bank and insist on a further search, statirg that he felt
convinced, from inquiries he had made, that his cashier
had brought the money there. Mr. hlakant also urged
the same course on Mr. Arrowsmith.
The following morning (Tuesday, August 28th.) Mr.
Arrowsmith went to the bank, and insisted on further
search. He was told that after such a search as had been
made it was useless; but that to satisfy him it should be
made again. Mr. Arrowsmith left for Manchester, and
after his departure a further search was made, and among
a lot of papers in an inner room at the bank, which were
not likely to have been meddled with again probably for
years, or which might never have been noticed again,
were found the notes and bill wrapped in paper, just as
the clairvoyante had described titcm.

THE CORONER'S ACCOUNT.

The usual monthly account of the coroner, amounting
to £32, was then passed, and referred for payment to the
Finance Committee.

THE NOTICE OF INJUNCTION'.

The TowN-cLERE then rend the notice of iLjunction