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he had on to correspond exactly with the peculiar foot-marks
ht had &ISer.e_ _augs.
at t s.
Crosi-extittiined by Dr. Li-Rot-If-N.—The iiglit itot worse after
he left RO:brittle wtth 111r;;,loyds, They got, the light to look
for a watch key My. n kid 0v44 lost, nit to iook for foot marks;
By Mr. Vrit.;:lN.—kity, math: no resist tince. to being taken.
There were several of tbux.g.ips in that &Id.' It was custom-
ary for persons to walk through gaps. Kai: iiyed in the neigh-
bourhood. . ,

By the JUDr3E.—Mr. Royds never authorised bile to make
any offer to Kay.
William TA-v.ldr deposed to being one of the Rochdale police,
and to going with the last witness to the place of, rubbery. He
c(irroland!ed last: witness's statement as to the. Sect marks.
When the prisoner Kay was taken into custody his head had a
fresh wound on one Side,Which was fresh done and bleeding ; it
appeared as if era by a horse's heel, His, face Was also bruised.
Cross-evainined by Mr. WILK r‘i.—Sltouldinuthave thought
it had been done by a horse's heel if he had not been told how
the hcrse had galloped amongst them.
Edward Collins, constable of Middleton; accompanied
son and Taylor, as stated. When Kay, was taken tutu custody
he asked hint if he had been with one .uilson the night before_
At first he said he had not, and then he said he believed he had
been getting sticks with him. .fte was afterwards present when
Elson was taken into custody a quarter cif a wile from the r.,-
bery, at Chatterton Heights. He asked, him if Ile Sas with
Kay the night before, which he at first denied, and afterwards
said he was with him cutting some sticks. His shoes were wet
and dirty. His Wife said they were so hecausie she had oiled
them.

Cross-examined by Dr. BROWN.—It was not usual to oil shoes
in his part of the country, they blacked and polished them. .
By Mr. NV %.as;h4t common to barn kicks in their
part of the. country; they burned turf.'
Charles Johnson deposed to being constable of Rochdale,
and to Mr. fords corning to his house;ahout twelve o'clock on
the niAht•in question. *as at thif time. in bed and in ill,
health, arid-directed his son to accompany Mr. tioydS. His son
brought bark a part Of a cung fir tree, which was found on the,
spot.. He sent his son back to the place where the robbery had
been, accompanied by Taylor and Co!lins, to examine the feet
marks. The prisoners were brought io his house the day. after
the robbery. William Taylor gave him a sock and a pair of
alwes. The sock was marked It.. • :

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C oss-examined by Mt. - He sent for Kay from
the lock-up to hi. house, on one 'Occasion, to ta'k to him. lit
e ins ...queues of what Mr. hoods had said to him he told him
what h was charged with, awl- if he chose to make any dis-,
cove;y. he would use the lest influence he had with the magis,;
trate,, and lie hoped that they wouid Use their influence with
the. court here to get him
Mr. WILKIN`.—E suppose that your influence is very great
with the magistrates?

Witness.:-YoU may suppose so, if you please.
WILKINY.-:Dtrt you ay nothing .aboutisumq.clutivs.?
Witness.—Nuthipir ,vhoever. . ,
Mr. W mktNs.---Was auythinif said about some luouey?
.uhatever.
Mr. W/LiciNS.—Aorittt. 4:2j.
itne.s.—M.flev was.ll,,t named.
Mt. WILK INS,—In coia,equence of this, did he make any dis-
closure ?

Witness.—He did
ont-
Mr.'Wiai he not ,slate that he could not say any-
thing about it with Out falsehood ?
Witness.—Nothing of the kind. He
not
to Kay's mother
about:a fortnight after. Mrs. Kay was an acquaintance of
his. He did not go to take tea with her. He sent for her to the,
hotiOe'df the overseer'of Thornhurn. The wife of the overseer
and he thought the overseer himself were present at the inter-
view. • He told her he supposed she was to communicalion with
her son, aud, if her sun chose to write to Rochdale, he thought
it would nut be too late. He said expected to have re-
ceived a letter before now. He did not say, •` If he will do
what I recommend him to do, I promise to get bins off." Other
persons had been taken up, on this bulginess whii had been dis-
charged.
Re-examined by.:Mr. Past.—His object in talking to Kays
was with a View to hii being a witness against the prisoners at
the bar:

BY the .Itrirs.--Mr. Royds had expressed no doubt whatever
as to the other two being the parties.
The Junga.,--Then why should you be so very anxious toobZ
tain Kay as a witness"?
WitnesS.-11" your lordship will allow that question to stand
over till after the verdict I will explain to you the reasons. (A.
laugh.)
Dr. Bnowfs thOught that was" fair ; he had no wish to follow
the question up.
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John Cheetham dePoied to being keeper of the lock-ups at
R.ochdate. The thisonet sat the bur werebroughf to hitit oti. the
night of the 25th September last, and were remanded. frorsi timid
to time till they were committed., He had some fears that they
would make an attempt to escape, and spoke to Johnson about
it. who sent James Taylor and John Greenwood to help him tai
guard the place, There was a passage underneath a gallery
where the prisoners were kept dtiritig the day time. A person
in the passage might hear what passed in the gallery... There
was an iron gate at the Width of the step's leading from the
gallery into the passage. Eastwood on one occasion told him.
he had been over the top of the iron gafe, and could get out if
he would. It was that which excited
Cross-examined by Dr. BHOWN.—He had been loCk-up
keeper five yearS. Ihe lock-ups were in the Pulilic streets of
the town of Rochdale. lie was afraid the prisoners would
escape by some means. He told Mr. Johnson his fears, and
Mr. -Johnson replied. " if the place is to be guarded, we might 1.4
well have somebody that sonic sense about them." Ile sent
three sensib e men-down : Jame? Taylor,..lnhn Greeriv,:orid, and,
William Taylor. They were stationed in the vissage below the
gallery, where they could hear very well. they wets not all
there guarding at once. No rescue was attempted.
By. Mr. WILYINs.—Kay was with Mr. Johnson only twice.
No one else came to see him. Johnson never made any offer to
Kay. He was not present when Mr. Royds was with kay.
By the JUDGE.—IIe thought it necessary to have a gittird in
consequence of whatEasiwtaal said. A man of his size once
did escape in 'that Way, and tWo wohteri also made their escape
about two years Ago.
James Taylor sworn. Was present at the sessions'-house its
Rochdale at various times whilst the prisoners were undergoing
their examination, and during that time he became acquainted
with their voices. lie went down to the lock-ups by Johnson's
-orders; land was rlatedireThe passage. —A' person natne4.l.l----
lon and the three prisoners were in the gallery above him. He
overheard a conversation taking' place amongst the prisoners.
Eton said, "Now, prisoners, we are done; we are sworn to, Lind
if we are tried in these clothes we shall be sold." Gallon said,
"You must get these clothes changed, and be dressed respecta-
bly when you are tried " Kaye said, '• It we do, how can we
escape? They haye traced me; he has sworn to time. They
have traced me ft em the spot by my shoes to Thornhain Fuiri ''
Gallon said, " If he had had such a Priir of shoes as them her
would lritTe pulled them off ;Iva gone home harefeot. He has
sworn to thee, Edson, sticking to his bridle and pulling off hit
boot." • Bison then said, " Eastwood, I told thee we should
sworn to to-daY from the time we stippi-d with him." Witne4
then detailed seine further conversation which hail passed, and,
amongst other. to East Wood saying, 'Gallon, there is nothing
against thee thou will be discharged on Monday. When you
get out you must begin to look out for some witUeSSeS for us, to
prove where we was at the lime of the robbery!'
' Cress-examined by Dr. BnoWN.— He tea's dits.Cted to get tin:
der the gallery to hear what eonveiation Might pasS by
Johnson. He had dorie so. before on one, m casual. lie did
not use pen and ink ; he had fib Orctision for it. The conver-
sation lasted about twenty minutes. lie to(dt no note of it.
He coved repeat it just as it happened Word for word: He
wrote-the conversation down the following day. and Mr. John-
son wrote it down that night. Ile had seen that little Memo-
randa:pa many a time since. lie had no need ." to Con his les-
son-well and get it by heart.'' Ile did not recollect how many
times he had read it. He lead it last that day. He had had it
in his possession ever since that time. He had also seen Mrs •
Johnson's paper since. Mr. Taylor's clerk read it over to him
:lad asked him if it was. correct. He was sent down for the
purpose of listening. He had nothing to do with the police
now; he was proprietor of a colliery. You have been a great
deal in courts of justice ? •Yes. Have you aiwaYS stood in the
witness box? No. Did you ever stand at the liar? Yes:
Were you tried? ' "What for? Charged With steaiing
souse money from the union -bii* of some weavers. Were sots,
convicted? Yes. How long imprisoned fur it ? Two years.
It
,was not for stealing what came into your hands whilst a po2.
? No; your memory should ant fail you, you were
My counsel. (A Idugh.) Could you say your lessen over again
word for Word if yoe were to try? I have no doubt I could.
By the J unG r.—Ptay were you employed on the police aftet
Stealing money from a club?
Witness.—fes, my lord.
.Tie-examined by Mr. PEEL--11e wag tried at Marieheiier.
There was it turn-out of the weavers at Rochdale, and they es-
tablished a C:uh, and he was one of the constables employed to
get the matter set at rest. Several factories were broken open
at the time. By the direction of the magistrates they seized the
union-box, and took it to the lock-up, where it remained nearly
six‘ months, and he and two others }ere charged With breaking
it OPen,- but they-did not. They took out £l7O, which the*
thought they were authorised to do to pay the expenses they
had been at. Dr. Brown, at his trial, contendA that it was not
a felOuv, hut only •a breach of trust.: (A laugh )
Johri Greenwooki sworn.—He Was disrect d to go do*n to the
lock-up. He deposed to overbearing Eastwood say, "When
they heard Albert -Royds' &ming up they made 'all the haste
they could, and took from his brother all that he had," to which,
Ebon said " he wished he had lived the life that his mother
Eastwiirod replied: '" Hai was a Method), wasn't hoe!'
Cross-examined by Dr. BnowN.He had been in the Reel-Made
police fobs years. 'He' was sent 'down to the lock-tips to watch
the motions of the prisoners. Mr. Cheetharp told him to watch
'their -*tioiis. Ile did net write damn what they said; he had
a memory to' speak 'the truth. Mr-Johnson itten down
wbutshe had no occasion to read it over hut bnce.
liediittioY'keOW Why he tend it over: Mr. nopis was a hanker
and a magistrate of ftechdale,• and a man of Wealth and re-'
A reward of £2l) was offered. Nu reWnd was
offered to
Ile-examined by lir. Pv.vir.,Mr. Johnson showed him the'
paper to ask if what he' had put down way entreat.'
Joseph Lees deposed to being in a public-house at Middleton,
a:lai:0-411)40'41g the servant back ti, the place of the robbery. It
.was ptctiy fair for being ii'ght_ He couk.iituve known a person:
who was stood near to him. Any rserson- who was a stranger'
he could not. He could disinvili per,-ms on horseback 'r
twenty or thirty yards,- but he could not distingtish the riders. •
By the JUDGE.—He could not tell whether the horses had
riders on or no, properly, at that distance. -
Francis Johnson deposed to being the son. of time constable
Rochdale,- and to being called tuft of bed, and acemnpanying
Mr.*RoYds on the night in c cold star-light
suestion. It as a ,
night. *tic could see that it was Mr Royds twenty or thirty
voids off; he saw that he had a handkerdifer ted round his

head.
R.Cyrdoss gb.
ae
(xi i did not know at that time fhat Mr'
been
Mr. ltoyds identified a sock and his brother's hat,' which were
attacked.
pm-loved.
llte•fut36 " 11 what was going forward. /le.
was very
if, le
WaS perteetly t.,in poen' d
le lied Peter Johnson, who said. that 1'.4 r: Royds
and ,he had-no apl*ar a Ili E whatever of
* • iTt.eted wan
be4",g
..I r then ° I 1 shed to Fee Mr. Wm. Royilt., who deposed.
to his brother bring perfectly sober; there was vety little %One
drank at the dinner.
This was the case for the prosecution,
Ejsuo, in defence, said that every thing that had horn said n f
him was false, and he wonld tiring witnesses io pr..ve it.
EastwoMl said he was in bed at elea;k11„-(1,,,k that night.
Kay said his head was cut in a. tight, and that Johnson sent
for him down to his house and said he wmild give him i. 20 atot
a new suite of clothes not of his °wit rioeka it he +initial turn
evidence against the other ptisonets, to which. he replied be
wouat not for a hundred pounds st-ear a mien's life away— Ur"
replied if he didnotlietr..fioNds away...
Mr. Broww ealiettfor the defeneer''
Betty. Robinson, who derioieil;•. to, tinitig. ter'Elsou's hotted ors
the night in Question, at ten. o'Nfork, Mr. a. candlestick and H.
beating bobbin.. Daniet Bri'ekfey.. %sea; tier, atottAciorstr
dark she durst. not go 1.5
exosit-examined by. ritfi. .16 it All Dr.,-41 & tenrern LereiL tha time'
because lit.wasitiwiestoitit, day of 11'e:dna Li:at racev,asid they
were con* tattett. .
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