The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-05-04 00:00:00

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they had selected to be their representativf;t ' kiitenfentiter'•• •
rote or principle; would be to coerce and OW
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cerree of that representative, and the um. - -I**itiirAba't,
they curtailed and circumscribed The sphere o. h. tiMnitikesii.
These were his candid opinitnisthey might p se-ni the
might offend—but, as they proceeded Irina the honest convic-•
lion of his mind, he stater' them boldly or unreservedly.. Willis
trielt
respect to the question of the ballot itself, he bad no hesitation
in declaring that he appinv'ed not' of the practice of secret
voting either its doors at tort of doors. He was 'a staunch ad-
mirer of that straight-`forward, mailly; John Bull system of
open-voting, which had hitherto diitinguisked, and 'which be
hoped and trusted would long coutinue.to diStiuguisk, the cha-
racter of the British people: As he could not, howevei; bring
his mind to regard the memorials Before 'theme in any other
point of view, than as an assumption of 'dictate-tied authority
over the• proceedings and free deliberations of the council, he
would oppose the motion of Mr. Lassen. •
Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE opposed secret voting:
but cohtended that the voting iu question was not secret; for the
papers were written in the presence of other gentlemen, and
some of them were signed by 'the gentlemen voting; who con-
ceived it necessary to do so. 'lf had rite signed his paper
concealment was out of the question; for his handwriting was
known to every attorney'e'clerk in Liverpool. •' ' '' ' -
Mr. EARLE concurred with what had fallen from Mr. Alder,
man Evans and 'Mr. Lawrence, and added that be .had signed.
his voting paper on the occasion in question.
Mr. COG LAN did not view the memorialising the council by
their constituents as an attempt to coerce them ; but he agreed
that too •much had been made of the matter. He thought that
the greet mass of reformers who sent their representatives them
knew that they had laboured assiduously, and they ought not to
be too severe on a subject on which there was so wide a differ-
ence of opinion. But so long as their constituents felt their
secret vote to be a violation of the principles on which they came
to that council their sentiments ought to be listened to with at-
tention. He thought they all should agree in the leading
principles, that whatever their opinions might be, they might
not to shield them. Something. hied been said.of John Bull
giving. his vote openly, but many there knew, and none so well
as the gentleman who had addressed them, that thoge votes were
often the result of intimidation and•coercian. He had made up
his mind as to the necessity of protecting the constituency, but
the constituency had a right to call upon thetn to vote openly,
that they might know how their votes had !teen given. On that
point they were all agreed. Their constitutents, too, had a
right to express their sentiments to theta, without being supposed
to desire to coerce them. Why did they vote privately, and they
all admitted that they ought not to have done so. If the matter
were left to himself individually, be should prefer briny shielded
by the ballot—perhaps he should give a more honest vote if left to
his tmwu unfettered feelings, because he could vote without of-
fending individuals of breakiug those relations of life, which
they were all anxious to preserve. ,But-as the public had
a right fo know whether he acted tip to the opinions on
which he entered the council—and they had all seen that pub-
lic men had entered the arena of public life who were.supposed
to maintain certain principles which' they were afterward."
found to have deserted—he-spoke of the national senate, for he
hoped there were none there who bad abandoned their prin-
ciples—be agreed that voting should be open; for if they
hail the protection of the ballot those who deserted their
colours might go on with a series of measures inimical to the'
views which their constituents Supposed they entertained.
Mr Hoesmeir wished to explain why he should vote against
the motion of Mr. Lassell. To himself it was a perfect matter
or indifference ,whether they tfail the ballot of ' not, but he
thought it unnecessary to pass a resolution, when the intention
of the council was understood. Mr. Lassell, in the course of
his remarks, had stated that it. it were desired by one member
the voting must he taken openly—(hear, hear)—and if, there:.
fore, there was only one honest man to be found among them it
was sufficient. On those grounds, and not from any disrespect
to the memorialists, he should vote against the resolution of Mr.
Lassell.
Mr. CURRIE hoped he was not like his friend Mr. Coglan,
that he should give a vote wore honest with the ballot than with.:
out it—perhaps with it he should vote more comfortably. He
begged, then, to remark in the first instance, that they were
bound to receive with all respect every advice or suggestion,
whether justified or not, of their roust it nents„and to the best of
his power he would act according to their wishes; but he thought
a great deal more had been made of that matter than was ne-•
necessary. He did not consider himself to blame for the vote he
had given on2lst February, for they had acted so before, when a
similar question was before the council. He was always ready to
avow his vote, and he never gave one that he cared publicly to pro-
claim. It appeared to be understood that in future the wishes of
their constitutents should be complied with, why then was itnecess
nary to pass that resolution ? He thought their constituents.
might be satisfied with knowing their memorials had been re-
ceived. and that the vote of which they complained was, not the
rule but the exception—for it was only the Second vote of the
sort in two years and a half—and it webs not likely to be fol-
lowed by any dangerous consequences-. With those viewse.-
but at the same Gine lie dissented from the opinion'of the
councillor for West Derby, that there was an attempt at dicta-
tion -(hear)—for the memorialists did not wish to control their'
actions, but. merely :Wished that they should change time mode
of expressing them—but he repeated with those views be
thought to pass that resolution was a work of supereorogation:
If they were then to make it a standing order, next week, next
month, or next year, it might he rescinded, and, therefore, they,
required to belmound by something stronger than a mere reso-'
lotion of the council. He wished, therefore, not to negative
the motion, but, as lie considered it unnecessary, he was desi-:
rous to get rid of it as delicately as possible, and should move
the previous question, and he trusted their constituents would
be satisfied.
Mr. IPA Itcr.A y seconded Mr. Currie's amendment.
Mr. Coorea expressed his gratification to hear so general an
expression of censervative sentiments in the memorials; lie
was for open John Bull voting and now he found all around
him agreed on that subject, since the• holding of the Great
George's ward (Conservative) meeting, of which, by the by,
he had never heard until he entered that loons. (Laughter.) '
Mr. Wooeur IG tir 'thought they did not want a standing or-
der to bind their consiteendy. • • -
Mr. Alderman Leaeriost agreed with Mr. Currie in his views:
Mr. DUNCAN haft felt disposed to vote With Mr: Lassell, but'
after hearing Mr. Currie he did not think it necessary to pass
Mr. Lassell's resolution.
Mr. Alderman Rtri.Lai Collll,lll'eA with M,. Cut tic.
Mr. RAMSDEN would support Mr. Lassell's motion,
Mr. JORDAN thought it a bad etimpliment to the gentlemen
of the press to suppose that anything taking place there would
he secret. •
Mr. 11A wnon and Mr. LEIGH both expressed their approval
of open voting; but Mr. Leigh said he concurred in the obser-
vations of Mr. Currie. •
The MA you would deviate from his usual custom, and ex-
press his opinion on the motion before the Council He would
vote against Mr. Lassell's motion; for he disapproved of that
tying up of their bands. He should look at the object before
then:, and keep it steadily in view, and, perhaps, in attaining it;
he might not take the same view asthis constituents would, and
if his constituents had not confidence iti him the sooner they
got rid of him the better.
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Mr. LASSELL replied... • ' '
Mr. Councillor JORDAN recommended Mr. Lassell to with-
draw his motion, which, however, was not complied with.
The MA V on then put the motion, when there were—
For the previous question ..
Against it....
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Majority
The motion of
,Mr. Lassen was theretore gut rid of.
The following was the division :
For the precious question.—nessrs. J. Holmes, Mr. Thorn-
hill, W. Preston, C. ltawdou, B. Frankland, FL Holmes, J.
Woollright, H. Hornby, H.. Lawrence, W. Earle, jun., J. S.
Leigh, J. Smith, F. Jordan, W. W. Currie, W. M. Duncan.
Aldermen 'l'. Leathom, G. Holt, C. H. Jones; E. Evans, T.
Holt, J. Moon, 'l'. Bullet', T. B. Barclay and the Mayor.
Against the previous question.—Messrs. E. Harvey, J. Mellor,
T. Bolton, J. Lawrence, J. Cooper; J.N. Wood;! W. Lassill,
T. Morecroft. 'l'. Coglan,.l. Mason, E. Segar, G H. Lawrence,
J. Platt, G. Rainsden, itnd Alderman W. P. Freme. ,•

The council then adjourned at'a quarter to four o'clock to
the first Wednesday in next month.

Ptior,tFic MARE.—On Saturday, a• mare belonging' to Mr.
Johnsougof the Greyhounds, Boothstown, Worsley, foaled two
coalts, which are doing well.
It is reported, that a metropolitan member is to be one of the,
coronation peers, and that a Whig-radical, lung connected with:
the borough, will stand in his place.

JORBING.—Joint stock Anipanies have been wittily said
fo
resemble the christmas .game of snap-dragon—sortie get the.
plumbs, while a great many burn their.fingers.
The trades of Glasgow are preparing 'to getup a great public
" demonstration" in favour of universal suffrage in that city.'
It is fi"xed• fort he `'2lst of next mouth, and Mr. Attwood and
other friends from Birmingham are to be invittd to attend.
The trades are to come forward on this, us on former occasions;
with flags, banners, and music. •
Surcint •ront Love.—Mr. :Pain; • a student at Oxford, andi
belonging to a wealthy fantily, ih Glamorganshiee, killed him-
self with a pistol-shot; a few Ila,vs since, in consequence of hat,
ing been gifted by the daughter of a solicitor in Glatuorgan-
shire. , F• • • •
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A banquet was given by the goldsmith's company, on Satur-
day, at their splendid hall, to the Duke of Wellington, Sir It.'
Peel, Lord Ls ndhurst,.and a numerous circle of conservative
noblemen, Alderman Copeland president.
Titi; SwEbisit POLTCE.-1100KING.—an perambulating the
streets' during' night each carries an- instrument something' like
a pitchfork, baying a spring••at• the end of it, by which a
rnaurais sujet, when in the acLof flight, can either be taken by
the neck or leg, and thus secured most effectually, which saves
these guardians of the night much trouble••in running after
them unarmed.—Kae Wilson's Travels in Norway and Sweden..
CONGRESS OF MONARCHS.—A congress is tinon the lapis, to
be held at Prague, in July, at which the three northern' poten-
tates will preside, assisted by the Kings of Hanover, Bavaria,
and Wirtemburg. Spain and the East are the reported topics;
Poland and the catholic question being mutually agreed upon
by the Czar, and.the King of Prussia to be passed sub silentia. •
ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, AIONDAY, APRIL 30.—The
market to-day has undergone little change from that of the
Creceding week ; and the pieces which have been sold are at
ast Monday's pikes. There has not been much doing in ther
wool market, and the indifference of• the manufacturers to pur-'
chase shows that they have not much fear of its being higher.
Prices have undergone no change since last market.

THE DUCHESS OF LEINSTEU'S, DIAMON 138.—A warrant ha*
issued by the magistrates of Henry-street .police-office, Dublin,
against Sii Francis Stanhope, on a charge of being concerned
in the robbery of the casket of "diamonds belonging to*the
Duchess of Leinster,• which have since breu restored. Sir
Francis is brother of the duchess, and holds.the office of usher'
to the linights,of St. Patriak.—Globe. • !.,
PPESTON AND LoNEttiDGE RA ILWA 7.—On Saturday last,
the half-yearly meeting of the proprietors of the Preston and; •
Longridge Railway was held, pursuant to advertisement, at the
Town-hall, for the purpose of electing directors '(as required by
the act,) to fill up the vacancies arising from the going nut of
office of six of the whole number of twelve who form the direct-:-
ing body. There were about twenty kentiemen present; and
T. B. Addison, F.sq., was called to the chair. The report of
the directors of the state of the works throughout the line Wits
then read, and 'stated, amongst other matters, that the execu-
tion of the work at the Longridge end had been let to Messrs.
Fleming and Co. It appeared from the report that the works,
were in a stade of forwardness. It was stated that the directors
were in treaty for the purchase of some land at Dilworth, near
the terminus at Longridge; and a resolution was agreed to, au-
thorising them to conclude the contract tor the same accordingly.
The acquisition of this land will, .we learrr, be ofgreat acHifitage,
as it will enable the company twototain a more easy awd econo-
mical access to the quarries, than was at first anticipaied ; a;
gradient, or inclined plane, being reduced—the level ou which
they will now form the road being lower. -The report as to the
prospects of the -undertaking gave very general satisfaction to
the meeting, who expressed the approval of the cunt-111CA and
exertions of the :directors. Mr: Wilockson aioted, that the
directors who .had gone out (by previous ballot) should be re- ..
elected.- The toption was seconded by Mr: Alderman Dixon?
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and was unanimously agreed tq, so that all the former direetttif
resume office..—Prettott Olniereet`i • . . . •