The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
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Nov. 8, 1836,

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS,

Ri.LeTtorr OF .nocx TnusTrms.
Yesterday a special meeting of the Town-council was held for
tiiltior purpose or electing thirteen Dock Trustees from the mein-
of the council, in the room of thirteen of the dock committee
elL.c:ased, on the Ist of Nov., to be trustees.
__lBll_ NIA Vol said the object of their present special council
''afor the purpose of electing thirteen gentlemen on the dock
committee to replace those gentlemen, who, on the first of the
.peraoavrihd, ceased to act for the trust. The town-clerk would ex-
iq,nheto them the object of this.
TowN-crEirk then said the municipal reform act having
ed, that the thirteen members of the dock committee,
chosenNo by the late council, should cease to act on the let 'of
their own
it was now for the council to elect thirteen. from
body. to serve as members for the dock trust, in pur-
suancer of the terms of the dock The effect of the inunici-
;toittl reform act being the removal of the members of the Dock
betsrn'ttee the vacancies were now to be filled up, according
Sue provisions of that act, whether caused •• by death,
lawful removal," &c., and each gentleman
teiysleelinttee.ed_taetclii,rolun4 have the name of the person in whose stead he
mentioned, so that hereafter the order of senicrri-
tooluV be preserved in the same way as it' the ordinary
fur era had remained in office. The proper course would he
liereother members to be elected separately, and that each should
„,.leotld in lieu of the former members of the committee.
the
1 uWN-cLERK then read over the vacancies caused by
ti,_ removal of the late members of the committee, and the
OT .that each member had to serve on the committee, which
21 be found below in the nomination of candidates. Having
P ete through the vacancieS, he said there ere live members to
toiene,lected to remain in office rill 1843; tour till 1840; aud four
1837. A chairman would then have to be elected after the
tinbers were chosen.
Councillor IIATHIIONE, in the performance of the duty he
now called on to execute, begged to move the appointment
of the committee; and he would give in a lista names selected
th
rule
down" as dock committee men. Of course following
laid down by the towh-clerk, each member must be
ballotede for, and if any gentleman objected to the names which
that
te put down, it was at his option to do so. He must state
nails selection of names had been made from those gentle-
who would maintain the supremacy of the town of Liver-
''°l in the meameenient of their own affairs. It would hardly
Ineeessary for'him to vindicate such a measure, or to state
wothe selection were. In takin such a course it was very
different
t now, when the council really represented the inhatii-
;uts of Liverpool from what it was when a self-elected, and irre-
body of 41. At that time there were conflicting in-
sta. and between these the interests of the town of Liverpool
welt least in his opinion and in the opinion of some of them—
shore totally sacrificed. It was then very desirable that there,
we bid be some infusion of the representative system; they
Br° glad to do what was in- their power for the rate payers.
clott t° say. that the rate-payers were capable of managiug the
,ate. as well say he was capable of taking the management of
• Brethertons mail which carried him'. He would not enter
t`nther into the' question : he should not wish at that moment
(7: excite any angry feelings, or detract. This much he had
1.." , ' 11ght it right to state. • He would therefore beg leave to put
iIIUP list of names. Mr. Rathbone then read over and handed
a list of names to be proposed in lieu of the retiring dock
e;taittee. Each name will be found, as proposed seriatim,
The ow.
'TOWN-cr Bnic said the chairman, whenever elected,
w
wo "
oo elected for six years. aecording to the act.
%fir. CouncillorwirEsicn would propose that Mr.
appointed specially
who was nominated in the list as chairman, should be
kirepto_mted specially as such, and not only cnosen from the 13
th_ ',wets to be elected ; because, if so, it might be the turn of
late member of the dock committee, whose place he was
electedthe to fill, to go out of offi,fe in six months, and that being
we case it would be a mere compliment to Mr. Leathom, as he
wild then have to retire.
;rile Towm-cLaitic then, at considerable length. went over
the dates of the various members going nut of the committee,
Zell their term of office would expiredwelt at consider-
'e length en the election of Mr. Honiugshead as late chair-
at! of the dock committee, but the object and gist of which we
tr,d not understand further than that b law the business of
council would be,, after electing 13 dock committee men, to
el et a chairman to serve for six years from the present period.
th4r• Alderman BaowN moved ihat the first five members of
'icornmittee to be elected for the longest period should be
e,,,eted at
MAYORce.
MAYO said they must be elected separately to be le-
si.,ty elected.
The TOWN-CLERK then said the first person to be elected
Lerri the list would be a member of the council in the place of
;lir. Robertson Gladstone, who, without the interference of the
act, would have had to serve till the 3d of August,
18x3• pkr. Councillor H. LAWRENCE begged to propose Mr. Thos.
eathom to fill the office.
1;1r, Councillor RATHBONE seconded that.
,he MAYOR then put the question.—Agreed to.
tot he Town-cum( said the next on the list was a gentleman
Isrye instead of Mr. Wm. Earle, jun., who would have to
%rye till the 3rd of August, 1843.
t„ Mr. Councillor RATHBONE, seconded by Mr. Logan, begged
"',Plopose Mr. Thomas Booth.—Agreed to.
h,,""• Councillor RATHBONR, seconded by Mr. Morecroft, then
,eged to propose Mr. Alderman Bann, in the room of Mr.
4ainuel Sandbach, to serve for the same period as the last.—
teed to.'
°lr. councillor RATHBONE, seconded by Mr. Alderman
Barclay, begged to propose Mr..l. Hornby, in lieu of Mr Thos.
Case,
to serve till 1813.—Agreed to.
4 "r. Councillor HATHBONE, seconded by Mr. Councillor
-4:l4an begged to propose Mr. Alderman Hymns, to serve in'-
.d of Mr. W. Ripley, till 1840.
/4"11. Councillor JAMBS HEYWORTH rose to perform a very
se%idious end unpleasant task. In doing so, he begged to ob-
itad been that he did not mean to disparage e roposition which
made, that Mr. Evans should be elected on the deck
rannittee. lie did uot mean to say that tie WWI not well
did not
for such a situation, but his acquaintance with Mr. Evans
wstiot enable him to speak of him with as much satisfaction
o oe should like to do; and he was out going to give his vote
II the occasion on mere negative evidence, inasmuch as he
had in his mind's eye an individual more competent to die-,
t-arge the duties of the situation than the gentleman who had
titeb nominated. He 'would not detain them further, than
"'Ply to state, that lie was determined, so long as he remained
'4 that council, to know nothing amongst them, but to be
actuated by the simple desireiof promotingithe interests of the
t
rtilltb with impartiality. He concluded with proposing Mr.
—Narles Lawrence, as an amendment.
M. Councillor .1. N. Woo D begged to second the amendment,
144 in doing so begged to concur in what had been said by Mr.
„,,eYwood. The rate-pavers and electors oat of doors were
reetlY in favour of Mr. Lawreuce. lie thought that if Mr.
tewrence was not sent from that couricil as one of the Dock
°ettnittee, over which he had sat as chairman for thirteen
V"at's, the couptit would be actuated (and it seemed to him to
11 to be so) "by party and political motives, and nut by the
consideration' of- the well-being of the town.
the MAYOR then proceeded to take the division on the
l'eendineut, when there appeared for the amendment Messrs.
4. Lievwoeth, R. Houghton, W. Shand, J. Barton, J. Bibby,
th L'i• Wood, H. Lawrence, E. Cropper, and J. Smith; against
e amendment, Messrs. W. Stuart, T. Booth, J. Hornbv, E.
ts,!abe, W. Brown, T. Smith, C. H. Jones. T. Bulley, W. P.
reme, T. B. Barclay, G. Robinson, R. Benn, J. Holmes, S.
4 A. °Pe,C. Logan, W. Thornhill, E. Harvey, E. Smith, C. Raw-
Itl•Gregor, J. Mellor, H. Holmes, S. Ileyworth, T.
nettob, J. Walinsley, G. Birch, It. Bright, J. Woolright, W.
ushton, H. Hornby. W. Rathbone, C. Lawrence, W. Max-
P, W. Lassen. T. Brocklebank, J. Carson, V. Higgins, 'l'.
arecroft, T. Blackburn, J. Mason, T. Coglan, G. Holt, P.
4,9,141", J. Cropper, jun., J. Platt, G. Ramstlen, W. W. Curl ie,
W. M. Duncan.
Cot- the amendment. 9 ; against it, 48. Absent, Messrs. T.
f',,artih°,,ll, W. Blain, J. Moon, 0. Heyworth, J. Lawrence, W.
I un., ati
AYOR,d
havi J. S.. Leigh.
tliThe Mng taken the division fur the motion with
I,B4ine result, declared Mr. Eyre Evans duly elected.
1,0 r.. Councillor RATH BONE here rose. Lie said he should
to observe in answer to what an hon. member had said,
i that this was made entirely a party question"—he thought it
Was
ag'r'eed that such reflections ought not to he cast. As one
.three generations in the town of Liverpool, he had the well-
"if of the town as much at heart as thou, who had not been
se long in
Ciiiincillor H. LAWRENCE said, in answer to that, Mr.
Ilthbone had said that he mentioned names of a particular
was not
for the coni.nit tee, therefore his present observation
not so particularly called fer.
The MAYOR would take the liberty of saying that they should
het
tOccopy more time than was necessary in speechifying, as he
4
Mr, attend a meeting of the ratepayers at ono o'clock.
H'r• Councillor Rai-otiose then, seconded by Mr. Jostien
°f `air proposed Mr. Alderman Barclay, to set ye in the place
George Drinkwater till 1840.
sr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE begged In move as an
.I,.endinent, Mr. Charles Birch.
Councillor Breen begged to decline the honour. It
interfere with his other avocations.
M. Councillor HENRY L AweENcE begged to move Mr. John
4)Per juts., as an amendment.
str. Councillor Joists
r. Councillor J. N. Woou begged to propose Mr. James
ZYworth.
b. Mr. Councillor Ja hiss HErwonrn begged to decline, as in
Is• • . .
Via. Pinion it was of.uo use being nominated.
ti ouncillor HENRY LAWRENCE begged to propose a gen-
e:who had much distinguished himself, and whose worth
witijaaclueectuhrere
yih.ad all seen. He would propose Mr. William
si
MAYort begged to thank them, but it was utterly imposble -
,or hint to accept the office. He had more to do in his own
bn°roeas than he could attend to along with the duties of that
elcei and, after the past year, he must attend a little more
het
theji%
election of Mr. Alderman Barclay was then agreed to.
Hor. Councillor RATHBONE, seconded by. Mr. Councillor H.
Wkas, begged to propo Mr. Rawdon, in lieu of Mr. John
Nights to serve till 1840.— se
Agreed to.
.1•01.• Councillor RATueoNE, seconded by Mr. Alderman
.10641 T, begged to propose Mr. George Holt, in lieu of Sir
to.terve till 1840.—Agreed to.
nAwr•LCouncillor R A THBON a, seconded by Mr.CnuncillorJoit-
eh4."eqed to propose Mr. Alderman Blain, in lieu of Mr.
ies Horsfall, to serve till 18-10.
Councillor Jouts SSIITH, seconded by Mr. Councillor
aTo
N, begged to propose, as an amendment, Mr. John
M es an extensive merchant in the town.
n‘,.• Councillor BIBBY.—" I mustbeg to decline the honour."
iee election of Mr. Blain was then agreed to.
r• Councillor RATHBONR, seconded by. Mr. Councillor
,
Rad, 7, °egged to propose Mr. Higgins, in lieu of Mr. I. 0.
to serve till 1837.
trielr. Councillor J. N. Woon, begged to propose, as an amend-
Ai.; Mr. Alderman Brown.
eho Alderman BROWN said, that having served eight years in
time. oce..e d his l ffiee he e.
"
ust be to decline, as his other avocations fully
Nilie
tiCOURCiIIOY BIBBY begged to propose, as an amendment,
Shand.
Aline °ROCiIIOT SHAND said, that under the peculiar circum-
bewsee in which they were placed, he should beg to decline the
the "lir. as it wee evident it would be only taking up the time of
that their
He was quite sure thatthey all must have observed
The
time need not be taken up with voting upon it.
LM
e election of Mr. Higgins was then agreedsto.
t. Councillor RATH BONE, seconded by. Mr. Councillor
gab, beg ed to ro (ere Mr. Brocklebank, in lieu of Mr. C.
4'lre° •g► P •r• A d t
to
kr to serve til 1837. gree o.
Councillor R Aro RON E, seconded by Mr. Councillor Bol-
'rho eged to propose Mr. Joshua Walmsley, in lieu of Mr.
teags Littlodale, to serve till 1837.
e, atl%
abl Councillor SHAND begged to propose Mr. J. N. Wood
endinent which was seconded y Mr. Councillor H.
"rence '
to Mr- Coi.inciller J. N. Wool, said it would be perfectly useless
114(1m),!") the vote on the question •, and for the same reaAns as
lso„,,
4"ereti stated by Mr. Shand, lie should beg to decline the
ueelectien of Mr. W• I I was then agreed to.
.14„.„ ey
sn'2-;01IBeillOY RATHBONE, seconded by Mr. Alderman Ro-
.
p,hezg,,d to propose Mr. Alexander M`Gregor, lien of
ORR Bourne, to serve till 1837.

114 r. Conneilior IL LA WRENCE beo to propose Mr. Alder-
man Smart as an amendment.

Mr. Alderman STLART iWgVed to decline.
Mr. Councillor J. HEY woura said that, notwithstanding the
remark of the Mayer—
The MAYOR said he would assure Mr. fleyworth that his ob-
servation only applied to the occasion which had called it forth.
Mr. Councillor lIEYWORTH (continneil).—He was about to
allude to the singular nomination which had taken place. He
did nut mean in the slightest degree to impugn the right of
every individual present to exercise his own judgment, and give
wha preference to iudividuals he thought proper. But he must
confess, whilst he had great respect for that assembly. and for
the - private opinions which every individual had a right to ex-
press, that he should like to see an individual independence of
conduct unctomected with party. Several of the individuals
who bad been proposed on that occasion were, he would beg to
say, as competent to discharge the duties which devolve on the
members of the dock committee as those that had been elected.
He hoped he should not infringe on any rule laid down in that
council, if he alluded to a report which had reached his ears—
that a very large body of that council did assemble, preparatory
to that meeting, as lie conceived irregularly, for the purpose of
nominating certain individuals, and forming a list, for the pur-
pose of carrying the list in the council. He did think that the
honour and the-credit of the council of Liverpool would be bet-
ter consulted by making the councii-roorn the proper place for
deliberating, and that out-door proceedings should, as much as
possible, be avoided. He considered both the individual inde-
pendence of the members of the council and the independence
of the council itself would be better maintained, and the public
at large would be better satisfied by the open proceedings which
he suggested. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Councillor RATUBUNE. begged to say, in reply, that he
had is own individual Opinions as to the course he would pur-
sue, and he did not consider it derogatory to the honour of that
council, if, previous to coining there, he conferred with a few
friends on what was the best means of promoting the welfare of
the town at large. That course had been pursued by both.sides,
and he believed very wisely ; and he had uo hesitation in avow-
ing that he should do it again—not in disrespect to the coun-
cil, but front a feeling that his own opinions IA mild be better con-
sidered.
Mr. Alderman EVANS said that there was no legislative as-
sembly unearth where that was not practised. It was practised
in London, where the members of parliament on both sides had
their previous ineetiege. It was the same at Washington,
where they held what they called caucases ; and he would con-
tend that this procedure was of great benefit; they came there
prepared—they knew their subject, and they were not all "at
sixes and sevens." "Who is it that is talking to us .about our
honour ?"—(turning round, and addressing Mr. Ileyworth)—
The MAYOR interrupted Mr. Evans, and begged bins to ad-
dress himself to the chair. • •
Mr. Alderman EvANS—(continued )--" I apprehend that it
has not wanted theadvent of any one memberto dictate propriety
on the subject of our honour. It is the height of presumption
to rise up and do so." ( Mr. Evans sat down apparently labour-
ing_under great excitement.)
Cetincillor CHARLES LAWRENCE agreed with Mr. Rath-
bone that a previons preparation was of service.
Air. Ceuntillor LAWRKNCK HEYwoßru said be was glad to
hear the otisereation.of Mr. Cha-les Lawrence.
Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY WORTH then rose, but was greeted
with a storm .of_ cries of " vote, vote, vote, vote," which was
quelled by-
The MAYOR. who said he begged pardon, but Mr. Ileyworth
was a new member, and might not be acquainted with the rules
of the council. He should be allowed to state to him that no
member was allowed to speak more than once, except in reply,
unless he had something to explain.
fYir Councillor JAS. Her WORTH said he rose simply to state,
that he did not mean any personal allusion to any individual.
He had only stated what he thought would be for the independ-
ence of the council, with no view whatever of censuring any
Pavia; MAYOR said he was sure that he did not mean to censure
any individual : when they spoke of the body corpoiate and its
acts, no individual was alluded to.
Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE said, that although it was
stated by a member on their side of the house (laughter) to be
customary, it would have been more satisfactory to them as a
body, if they had gone through the individual nomination by
some other mode rather than having a list brought before them
by parties who said they had consulted as to that list: because
every meMber on the list handed in had been elected.
- The election of Mr. M`Gregor was then agreed to.
The MAYOR said the Town-clerk would now read over the
names of the 13 members who had then been elected, after
which it would be their duty to elect a chairman.
The 'rowN-CLERK having read over the names,
Mr. Councillor RATHRONH begged to propose Mr. Thomas
Leathom as chairman of the committee. He begged to say
that in the list which had been selected, the interests of the town
of Liverpool had been well kept in view.
Mr. Alderman BROWN begged to second the proposition. In
his opinion Mr. Leathom would make a most efficient and
valuable chairman.
The election of Mr. Leathom, as chairman for six years, was
hen agreed to.
The council then separated shortly after 12 o'clock.