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HOUSE OF LORDS -THURSDAY,

The 'Marquis of LaNsnowNE said, that he would take that
opportunity of stating that it had been ht.. intention to give no-
t•ce that he should move the second reading of the parliamen-
t try electors' bill in the course of next week, hut in conse-
quence of the conversation that had taken plate that evening,
he should not m:tve the second reading till that. day fortnight.

EISHoPRIC OF SODOR also MAN.
The Earl of RIPON, upon the order of the day for the second
reading of the Bishopric of sodor and Man bill, said that he
understood that the tight rev. prelate opposite hail had a com-
munication from several of the clergy acd 'inhabitants of that
island which he had thoupat proper to lay before the commis-
sioners, who, alter having taken those communications into
consuloration, had come to the resolution to abstain from re-
commending that that bishopric should be joined with Carlisle.
ie (Lord Ripon) rejoiced the Commons had come to this de-
cision; first, because he thought that it was but right and just,
and, secondly, because he felt convinced it would he more agree-
able to the generality of pet sons throughout the country, and
would be productive of the best results to the country at large.
Siuce he (the P;arl of Ripon) had last brought this subject un-
der the notice or the house, the late bishop of this diocese
(Sailor and Man) had ceased to exist. Though he, from his
uetwrous haliits, left no legacies to his family, yet he had left a
legacy to their imdships' house, which legacy was this bill, that
he now begged leave to move the second reading of.
The Archbishop of CA NTM:BUR Y _haul great pleasure in ad-
ding his testimony to all that the noble hod who had just sat
down hail said, in favour of the piety, the zeal, the activity in
the management of his diocese of the deceased individual, and
above all his attemion to the interests of education. Some days
ago he stated that he had had a communication from the island
informing biro that proceedings were going on which might lead
to a satisfactory adjustment of the case. He had since received
at communication from the council, stating their desire of re-
taining a bishop, which they felt perhaps :he more strongly
from their regard to the memory of the late bishop. They had
proposed a commutation of tithes, which would enable them to
effect the purposes they had in view, with respect to certain
alterations in the distribution of tithes between the bishop and
the clergy of the island. They would undoubtedly reduce the
bishopric in value ; but the arrangement would leave a very
competent income to the bishop, soda competent maintenance
for the clergy.

The bill vas then read a second time.
The house adjoinned at 25 minutes to seven

HOUSE OF COMMONS—THURSDAY.
The committees on the Tyneinoutti and Youghal election pe-
titions were nominated.

Colonel VERNER obtained leave to bring in a bill to empower
the foreman, or any other member of grand juries in Ireland,
to administer oaths to witnesses on bills of indictment.

M. 111AxtNmoN brought forward sir. Talbot's claim on the
French compensation fund, which, after au explanation from
the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, was rejected by a majori-
ty of 49.

. -
Colonel CoNota.r obtained lave to bring in a bill for the
protection of salmon fisheries in Ireland.
Mr. WARBURTON moved, "That a select committee be ap-
pointed for the purpose of fu-ther inquiry into the case of the
Baron de Bode."

After some discussion, the motion was rejected.
On.the motion of Mr. . T. DuNcomnE, it was agreed that "it
be an iastrnetiou to the poor-law committee to inquire on the
subject or that portion of the third report of the poor-law com-
missioners which referred to the vicious system alleged by them
to have been pursued by the existing corporations under Gil-
bert's act."

Mr. PLumPTutt obtained leave to bring in a bill for the sup-
pression of trading on the Lord's-day. •
Mr. SLANEY rose to obtain leave to bring in a bill for the
punishment of persons who used threats or intimidation to elec-
tors in the choice of representatives, and, as the hour was late,
a general cry of " Move, move !" was raised, in order that the
honourable member might not go into a statement of the nature
of his proposal.
Mr. WARBNITON, however, objected to the introduction of
the bill without reasons first assigned; accordingly, M r.
detailed some general grounds, and added, that his inteution
was to make the emptoyinent of threats or intimidation a inisrle-
meanour, punishable by fine not exceeding LW, part of whit h
ttis to go to the voter, the offence being to be aseeroioed at
quarter session, or hefute two magistrates with the inierventioa
of a jury.
To this Wan Mr. WAnsuitToN and various other members
strongly objected ; and they were for refusing leave even for
the introduction of a bill, which was designated by them
nugatory, and absurd.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL, Mr. BROTHERTON, the ATIORNEY-
GENERAL, and several other members, supported the motion,
which, on a division was carried by.so to 23.

On the motion of Sir %V.-,I 1A...N1 AloLEswowrit, it was agreed
that the house should be callel over ou the 6th of Mart-h.

The house adjourned at half-past twelve.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—Futpay.

ThP Exchequer Bills' Bill, the Transfer of Aids' Bill, and
the Waterford House of Industry Bill were severally read a
third time and passed.

VOTE BY BALLOT,

Lord Mitt-BOURNE, in presenting a petition in favour of. the
ballot, said that it had bee❑ accompanicd by a letter, setting
forth that the tietitioners had be•.n converted to the ballot in
consequence of the intimidation of property. lie confessed hat
the uncertainty of the measure, and the novelty of its mincinfe
as applicable to this country, alar►ued him, and pr•evertted him
from adopting it. believing, as he did, that it would nut remedy
the evils cmnpiained of.
Lord Baoucta.ssi said, that certain it was that the alle,..ed
exercise of undue influence, and of the existence of intimida-
tion to an extent that was almost destructive of the beneficial
use oldie franchise, hail of bite years caused the ballot to in-
crease in popularity. It had found new favour and new advo-
cates aatou•; thepeopht. It was, however, a question hat de-
manded much Awl serious consideration. He entt•ely agreed
with his noble friend in opinion that it would be most unsafe to
adopt the principle merely because it had been tried in ocher
countries, without most anxiously considering and marking. the
peculiar circumstances connected with those countries. If the
system were adopted Without such inquiry, it assumed that the
two experiments, that in the country where it was tissi hied,
and that in which it was. about to by introduced, proceeded no
the same terms and under the time circumwauces. it did not
follow, because the bath, succeeded in another country, that
it should be tried here. it mast stand upon other grounds.
_ .

Tile Duke of WitI,LINGTONOId not have felt it necessary
to say one wood on this subject if the noble viscount had not
winded to the letter of the geniletnan who had sent him the pe-
*idiot), and, in doing so, thought proper to cast on one par-
tientar patty the blame of adopting those measures which the
tmole viscount so much deprecated. Now, he firmly believed
that the consequence of certain transactions of recent yvars had
been to render the possession of political power by individuals
in ddrerent parts of the country—in all parts of the country—,
infinitely more clesira'ale than it was before_ Corporations had
acquired great interests—individuals had acquired great influ-
ence—and there was no doubt that ail those interests and all
that influence had been ezetted to obtain political power.
( Hear. hear.) Titat was the Fact. Every one must see it, fur
it bad passed in the view of them all, and could not be denied.
He ilia not impute any thing to the noble viscount, or to any
other person, but he must say that with respect to official in-
fluence, with respect to he exe,eise of influence of ever% descrip-
tion, they had within the last 7 wars gone bark a full century.
He cook; say, upon his. honour, fiat things were niut to,was he re-
collected them in his time, nor even as thee were I° ve:trs.ago.
The nolde lord said that noble loros and gentlemen of property
exercised their influence over their tenants in an improper
manner. He declorcd upon tits word that he knew of no such
thing. He had heard a great deal about Iheexoici4e of influence
of another deseripti-n. ( Hear, hear.) He had heard great
deal of evidence which showed that priestly influence, that the
exercise of intitnidati n, and that the getting up of riots, existed
in almost every part of a neighbouring country. ( Hear, /,ear.)

But as to an imnroper influence being exercised by individuals
over their tenants and tradesmen, he declared that he knew or
none such (near, hear.) tie shook, he eXceegi ugly sorry it
ever he saw the practices or woe' countries int' minced intolitis.
e was friendly 10 the universal y or a wads principles
anti sentiments on Political questions, and he soon'', de exceed-
in2,-ty sorry to tint' men, instead or slandiay. ibrwatll openly and
avowing ;bell. opinions in the race o!' nroceetting in a sneak-
ing coot se, ado exercising lieu' elective ranchise linger a secret
mode 0 ing. I I ear. heao., 11appitv, the constilulien
this country had Jeeo formed, got outs for lite proieclion a
I ited 111011 d !Thy. ant. or those iniere,s ..vhicd were immediately
connecieo with 0, 'tut also for hie pew ection of property. Their
lordships were cadet. on to provide ;or the p-olectioti or nroperty
am' the security of the cliu.rit, as well as I.lg- the securgy
or It-
oer;v anti life: anti :)e 'toned that in all their gelinei•ai ions tbey
would never lose tight or Loose most important objects. (Ileac,
hear.)
Loid gr. 01- A'o said that he did not believellte ballot would
be universal nrotection, but-considered Coat it would "ae valuable
in large towns.
Toe petition was ordered to lie oa the tattle, aster which their
101.4.;b61,t3 adjourned till Nlon.lay.