The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-01-05 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS.

On Wednesday the usual monthly meeting of the council
was held.
The Deputy TOWN CLEtt K opened the proceedings by read-
ing the minutes of the last meeting.
THE FINANCE COMMITTF,E.

It was ordered that a fixed salary be given to the inspectors
of weights andimeasures:
The A Volt, in reference to this subject, said he had felt it
his duty to tell the inspectors of weights and measures to give a
week's notice to the merchants, that they should examine their
weights.
Mr. Councillor WALMSLEY wished to -know whether that
notice was given to all or confined to the merchants?
The M You said it had been given to the tradesmen some
time ago, and he thought it but fair that they should now begin
to correct their own house.
The report further set forth, that a memorial had been re-
ceived from Mr. Samuel Knipe, prayirg for compensation fiir
haying objected to a number of freemen who were improperly
placed on the Borough roll. The committee had resolved that
this application could not be complied with.
At the conclusion of the reading of the proceedings of the
committee, which did not relate to anything of public interest,
' Mr. Councillor HAuLE begged to make some remarks on one
part of the prirceedings, and in doing so he must say that he had
had no conversation with the parties interested. Mr. Radler, of
the Adelplii, was desirous of puxhas'ing a piece of land behind
his hotel, and the finatice committee intended putting it up for
sale by auction; application's had been made for the same piece
of land for a chapel and also. for a school, and supposing the
school to get it, he did think that a school in the immediate
neighbourhood of the hotel, wooli: he an intolerable nuisance;
and he (lid think that the council ought to protect that hotel,
Mr. Hadley having expended so much money on it, audit being
so great an ornament to the town, and so many strangers going
there. They had removed the cattle market, in order nut to be a
nuisance, but this would be a greater one". He therefore begged
that this part of
_the, report he -referred hack to the finance.
committee.
The Ms rot/ inquired on what grounds? They had themselves
made a.standing order that all land should be offered up by
auction.
Mr. Councillor EARLF...—Then, in what place is Mr. Radley
if persons buy that laud for a school
The Ma yan.—l only thought it my duty to state that resolu-
tion of the council.
Mr. Councillor WALLACE-CURRIE did not agree in the ob-
servations of Mr. Earle, that a school would he a-greater nui-
sance than the cattle mat ket.
Mr. Councillor EARLE.-1 meant on account of the children
there. (A laugh.)
Mr. Councillor W. Crantk.---Children are not a species of
cattle that are such a nuisance. (Hearand a laugh.)
Mr. Councillor-EARLS.-1 wish you had a school opposite
your own house.
Mr. Councillor W. CURRIE apprehended that Mr. Eerle's
fears were chimerical. He did not hesitate to say that the
land was more desirable to Mr. Radley than to any other per-
son ; at the same time he did not think that on that account
they ought to depart from their usual course, He dui nut think
that any person would be so ungenerous as to string up Mr.
Radley to buy the land at an exorbitant price, lest they should
themselves be caught. He could not help thinking that Mr.
Radley must take his chance with other parties. They could
not possibly obtain the real value of the land without putting it

up to auction.
Mr. Councillor COOPER did not see why the resolution that
all land should be put up to public auction should he. departed,
from to suit Mr. ltadley or any other•person. 11e must de-
cidedly opposed it.
Mr. Councillor EAR LE rose, as he said, " to reply nnly.,,
The MAyou said, the only course he could take consistently
with the madding order, would be to move that the standing or-
der, with respect to that particular spot of land Should be
suspended.
Mr.Councillor•EAßLE wished it to be understood that he did

not make these observations from any motives of favouritismtr;
Mr. ltadley, but wished to guard the public who visited Liver-
pool and went to that hotel, from having any nuisance near the
house. And, whatever his friend Mr. Currie might say to the
contrary, 201) or 300 boys turned out of a school two or three
times a day, was a very serious nuisance; and he was only
sorry if he (Mr. Currie) found it so very agreeable, that he had
not a school near his own house.
Mr. Councillor JORDAN thought Mr. Radley was entitled to
a preference fur the purchase of any „round, as the town was
indebted to him fur the handsome architectural ornament which
he had made his hotel. And as to a school, he would rather
have 200 or 300 cows or bullocks near, than lads, who did.
nothing but scream.
Mr. Councillor CURRIE stated, that he had received intima.
Lion that applications for the land fur a school or chapel had
been withdrawn.
The proceedings of the committee were then confirmed. ,
LEASES AND IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEES. . .

The proceedings of the leases and improvement committees
were read and confirmed.
WATCH COMMITTEE.
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Among. the- proceediiigsaniresolutions. of this committee
there WhS an order, that the officers of police were to do their
utmost to enforce the provision of the by-laws relative to sun on the dock quays, and going into Warehouses with uneu-
closed lamps. There was a further resolution on the dirty state
of the foutwalks in the town. [The Mayor said, an order had
been issued, that the inhabitants should sweep before their
doors in compliance with the by-law.] It was further ordered,
that the • names of the several streets in the town should be
placed upon the gas lamps in such streets, in the same manner
as in Lord-street.

It that anv policeman or memberof the consta-
bulary force, asking or receiving any gratuity or christmas-box
flout any person should be dismissed the service.'
The lighting of a part of the oul-towuships was deferred till
next September.
'Mr. Councillor SMITH wished to know why the lighting of
Edge-lane had been deterred? The inhabitahts had a right to
Complain that they were rated for ligh'ing, and had no light
within a quarter of a mile from their residences., lie thought
Mr. Walmsley would recollect, that this was contrary to an
agreement entered into in 1836.

Mr. Councillor WALMSLEY said, it had been arranged, and
the arrangement had been made known, that there would be an
inspector to each ward in the town, and that if any of the inha-
bitants complained of want of light, when they applied to the
watch committee, their complaint was referred to two inspectors
of the district to report on ; if they reported favourably, a light
was placed; arid if not, the parties were informed, that their re-
quest could not beComplied with. The Watch committee, after
the suburbs were supplied with light, thought it was necess try
to appoint a special committee for the purpose of seeing whe-
ther the lighting could nut be carried to the extent of the boun-
daries. That committee had taken considerable pains, and had
reported to the committee,' that he whole of the buundaties
should be lighted, specifying the streets, and in most places
where the lights should be placed. The report had again been
referred to them to.slate those parts which should be first light-
ed; which would be most useful for the inhabitants of thesbo-
rough; and that report had been read to them. lie could not
immediately. refer 'to the part of which Mr. SMith spoke, as it
could not be supposed that the chairman of the committee could
have a knowledge of every lamp; but had Mr. Smith informed
hitn of this before, he should have been very happy to have
given him every information. The lighting of Vauxhall-road,
Smithdown-lane, &c., was first ordered, and the remainder of
the boundtuies to be finished by next September. If they at-
tempted to light the whole now it would be impossible to do so
before the lights would be unnecessery. They hail, therefore,
lbougbt it best to get on with those lights.which were most.
needed. In the meantime all the pipes would be laid dawn.
Mr. Councillor Salm said, he was net asking any particular
favour fur his constituents; all they required was to.be placed
on the same footing as their neighbours. They rated them but
they would not light them.
Mr. Councillor G. H. LAWRENCE WORM ask if inhabitants
residing a quarter of a mile from any light were obliged to pay
a rite?

Mr. Councillor WA LMSLET said, it was for the watch con-
mittee to say whether certain places should be absolved from
paying rates. Formerly parties had been al•'solved on being at
some particular distance from any light, as fifty yards for in-
stance: But that-would be alone in the sub-committee of the
watch committee whether certain places should wit pay those
rates. They were compelled to lay the rate in the first instance;
still it would be in the discretion of the committee to say, whe-
ther it would be right for certain parties to pay that.rate.
Mr. Councillor JOHN SMITH read part of a resolution on the
subject—`• Resolved, that the-iates shall only extend to those
parts actually ligh►ed." His constituents complained, that they
were not lighted, and vet they, paid the rates.
Mr. Councillor JonJouOAN said, if the parties had applied to the
watch committee, they would have immediately inspected the
complaint.
'Mr. Councillor WALmst,EY said, this was an arrangement
which had been made the previous year, and the arrangemeut
applied to the whole borough. A sub-committee would be ap-
pointed for the purpose of inquiring whether any persons could
be absolved from the rate.

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Mr. Councillor JOHN SMiTti was' perfectly satisfied.
Mr. Councillor GOGLAN thought it important in future, that
when any gentlemen felt agrieved, and felt it necessary to make
statements, that he would previously inquire of the watch com-
mittee, and receive from them the reasons which appeared to
them sufficient to justify their refusal for not carrying into effect
that which was complained of. If the answer appeared not
satisfactory, it was then quite competent and the duty of any
member to bring it before the council. Such a line of conduct
would .nave time, and prevent iinproper feeling from getting
abroad. He wou,td suggest that that was the proper course.
Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE did not think any gen-
tleman should be debarred from making any observations.
Mr. Councillor COOPER sai.f, it was rather strange to call on
the poor inhabitants of some of the streets which were not light-
ed to contribute to light the outer townships, which paid no
portion of the rate. Dinglelsne was ordered to be lighted, and
only one or two houses were there, and that lane would cost at
least £25. It was, therefore, very hard on those parties who; in
the town, had whole streets unlighted, to be called on to contri-
bute to the rate for the benefit of the out-townships. Mr. Cooper
was proceeding to enumerate varicus places in the town which
were not lighted, when
The MAYOR said it would lake up much time to go round the
the town; he had better make • those statements to the watch
committee.

Mr. Councillor COOPER thought he was quite in order.
Mr. councillor BRIG HT wished to ask the Town-clerk whet her
the watch committee had not a sovereign power on these ques-
tions, and whether they ought to come before the council at all ?
The TOWN•CLERK said this question came before the watch
committee not in their capacity of watch committee but as a
lighting Committee.

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•Mr. Councillor Coof,'Ea thought he was quite in order, inas•
much as he had not a seat iu aoy of those committees. He
lhought he had a right, for the beriefit Of fbe rubtic, to object to
this Mode of lighting. The fact had been stated, that Liverpool
was One (tithe wo.-st lighted towns in all England. (Cries of

" No," " No. " No.') The lainps were also placed at much
too great a distance in the town. (A err of •' Name.") lie
would name Gower-street, which was wholly built up, and there
was not A lamp in it:- He merely named these things to draw
the atterition of the lighting committee to them.

COuneillor VV:%:l.l%isi.Ey said 111 r. Cooper had-made, one
flinplaint to which he should allude. So far as the charges
against the watch committee went, he'hopeillhe paving board
was equally well attended to. 1111. Cooper h,ul referred to Din-
gle-lane, and had stated that it would cost.E2s, and that there
wera•only one or two houses in it. There vere.onlydwo lamps,
fta 6'144 th'eie,'Eiri'd.gi:Coop.er ficini his expel ietl6.