The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1840-01-31 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY.

The re-elected and new mecloers for Edinbnrgh, Newark,
&c., took the oaths and their Seats. ' :
Mr. VILLIERS on presenting a petition on the subject' of
the corn laws, gave notice thatin the course 9f the session he
should renew his motion on that silbj,•ct.. , '
STOCKDALE HANSARD. , _

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Lord J. RussuLL presented a petiLion from Messrs: ll4n-
sard, the parliamentary printers, sta, t they .had, On
the 24th and 25th instant;'W.en set—, • • ',,cr i.nti: es by
Mr. Howard on behLtlf Stoel,:,' • . • . • .
ang
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commenced against them for , ~3....riam-
entary documents: His lor,- . . ',,,ward,
the attorney, he Caned to the ba,- „ ~.• . !
Sir E. SUGDEN doubted the . •... .'; :.;
premature step. It's,youid frum
l‘lessrs. Hansard What was the hattlyc:
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thallltlit"tWf!.
be allowed. The privileges of the *hot.
fended, and he trusted the noble •I.
adopted.
Sir R. INGLIS moved, as an amendment,
at present expedient to take any further seeps ;"
ment which was lost by 67 to 131.
The motion of Lord 3. Russell 'having been. thus..earric..d,
Lord TBIGNMOUTH explained expressions he had usedon
a former evening. He had spoken Of the jndge,with the
greatest respect, but be had held they were legally incoMpe-
tent to decide respecting the privileges of that house.
DEBTS OF TEE QUEEN: •

- Lord J. RUSSELL stated, in answer to a question from Mr
G. Palmer, that the report that her Majesty- had 'contracted
• considerable debts was totally without foundation. - " -
ALLOWANCE TO PRINCE ALBERT. •
Lord J. RUSSELL having then moved the order of the day
for a committee of the whole house, to resume the considera-
tion of the £50,000 allowance to Prince Albert, . ' " •
Mr. HvaiE moVest, •as an amendment on the. ministerial
motion, that only £21,000 should be -granted to Prince Al-
bert. The hon. member, ;in the course -Of a somewhat long
and heavy speech on.the•subject, uttered some hdine truths
on the inexpediency of allowhig to a person in Prince Albert's
position a larger sum than is enjoyed by the royal-dtikes •of
England. He likewise furnished eeetain.calcitlatiOnS; in his
own peculiar fashion, as to the -number, of Poor faiiiiliea who
might be sustained on the differenCe bet Ween thee.;hin pro
posed by ministers, and-the amount of income advocated by
himself. The hon. member expressed himself, moreover,
exceedingly anxious to guard the young prince from those
tempt,tions which must heset• " a- young man in London,
with £50,000 a-year in his pocket." • The hohse appeared
to regard Mr. Flume's anxiety' on this latter point as an ex-
cellent joke, and laughed accordingly. " • • - ' '
Mr. WlLLlsats; of Coventrysechoed Mr. Hume's finan-
cial anxieties, and bogged some dozen times, in the course of
a short speech, to know how the Chancellor of 'the Exche-
quer proposed "to rise the money." Tile elocutionattped-
prieties exhibited by Mr. Williams tended, like the moral
scruples of Mr. Hume, to increase the merriment- of the
honourable house. .
Mr. BARING made a speech, no less stupid than Mr. Ka-
ring's speeches are wont to be ;—a speech which, after iegreat
deal of mystifitation, threw no light on the subject of Mr.
Williams's anxiety—the mode, namely,- Of " rising" the
money. . . . .
Mr. GOULBURN put it to the house whether, if the Qneen
had been married at her accession-to the throne, they wmild
have given more to her and her consort than they had given
to King William and his Queen. But Queen, Victoria's civil
list, with this £50,000, would exceed by £lO,OOO the civil
list of William and Adelaide, and the recent-reduction of
10,000 in the.salaries of the present household, coupled.with
that addition of £lO,OOO, made this civil list practically better
by £20,000 than the civil list of the former reign: Therefore,
even if the necessities of a prince, united to a feinale.sove-
reign, were equal to those of a princess united to a sovereign,
still an allowance of £20,000 less than in the last reignowould
. put the present Queen and her consort in as advantageous a
situation as the late King and Queen. It was his intention
very shortly to move for a still further reduction in the sala-
ries of her Majesty's household, by which her civil list would
. be made to go even further yet.
Lord ELIOT, in a few sentences, expressed.his intention of.
supporting Col. Sibthorp's amendment. The noble lord ex-
pressed himself most anxious to do all that could be required
of him to minister to the comforts of the Sovereigns-hut he
felt that consistently with the -discharge of his duty as a re-
presentative of the people,he could not agree to the proposed
vote of .£50,000.
Sir RoBERT Itscens maintained that the larger grant was
that which it became the HouSe of Commons to agree to. The
grounds on which the honourable. baronet rested his opinion,
are these. The crown, nearly a honourable
tmae a most
improvident bargain with the house of ago,
Commons, on the
subject of the hereditary revenue- f the \lonareln. Hee, the
crown retained .its hereditary •evuenues- the crown Would,
since since the period of_ the bargain referred to' .
millions of-inono.-.'ihea
that time, received more than si'xas • • -Tit
hundred and Sixteen
Creol7eceLed not,
during • - •611. millions. e
country, then, having .gained "So _largely :by .the transaction,
ouicht not, according. to,. the honeurable'bariiet, to exhibit
a niggardly disposition, on an occasion like.that .uhder discus-
sion.
After some discussion the house divided, when the numbers ' h .
were—for the arnendment,3B.: against it 305; it was
conse-
quently -
lost by a majority of 267. ,
Col. SIBTLIORP next Moved that a stun of £30,000 be the
annual grant. He thought the sum proposed by Government
was preposterous and unnecessary.
Lord J. RUSSELL rose to defend the ministerial grant; and
under the sense of impending defeat, contrived to lose his.
temper and his manners. He imputed broadly to the conser-
vatives who opposed the proposed grant ofshoo,ooo, a disloyal
disposition towards the Sovereign ; and stated his belief, that
but for the occurrences in May last, no such opposition would
have been manifested.
After a word er two from Lord ELIOT in his own vindica-
tion,
Sir JAMES Gnarl AM rose to .express. his astoniehrnet that
a minister should insinuate what he dared not charge directly,
that the conduct of those who voted for the smaller grant
was inconsistent with the respect due to the Queen. After
refuting some of the fallacies of ministers on the subject of
the precedents, he observed, that Queen Adelaide's establish-
ment, including that of the stables, exhausted £35,000 other
allowance, leaving only £15,000 for her privy purse ; but by
the admission of ministers themselves the vitablii3linieDrof
Prince Albert would cost but £B,OOO or £9,000, leaving for
his
privy purse not less than.£2l,ooo. This allowance was
surely ample, it was liberal. ..
Mr. LEADER would support the- smallest:gratit that could
be carried. The tril Tat-effect of such.proposals as thissof the
government was most _unfortunate. The u,
iltibteta wete eao=
nomical for the purposes:of the publie,. but. extertiagant for
those of tie palace. . ' ~-o :' •
Mr. O'CoNNuLL rose, and, in a vein of the. tenderesteav::-
alte. supported the larger.grant. His coestituetrts, he. said,
*t ~ hid idstructed him, to do so.
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