The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-11-01 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL PROCI4:DINGS.

On Saturday the Council Again met for the purpose of finally
pai,ing the B)e-laws. The Council was called for eleven
o'clock, but it was halt-past before business commenced, a suf-
ficent number of members not being assembled.
The ToWN-ct.aux said he would proceed with some business
which it was intended should be taken last, until the council

should he assembled.
The TOWN I..KN K then read the presentment of the Grand
Jury of the late Michaelmas Sessions, that two unfinished
houses in St. James's-street were in a dangerous condition to
the pulmiic. The mode to pursue would be to make such a reso-
lution as- had before been come to in similar cases.
The DEecTY TowN-cihRK then read a former resolution
which had been come to, that a sufficient guard be erected round
and, if necessary, the buildings be ordered to be taken down.
The MAyou," If it is ordered to be taken down the council
have power to make the owner pay all the expenses."
A similar resolution to the above was then agreed to.
The TowN-cLEeK, the Grand Jury further made a dearness
on the efficiency of the New Police, and on the clearness
with which they had uniformly given their evidence. (Hear.)
A sufficient number of the council at length being assembled
The Tow N-C Lnlt K said the bye-laws now to be submitted and
passed were those which related to the whole of the Borough.
The TOWN-CLERK then read the preamble, and proceeded to

read the h)e-laws:—
That if any owner or occupier of any shed, &c. the sides or
ends of which are made of wood, should light any fire near the

same. Fines ss. 10s. and 403. Approved finally.
That if any persim shell hoist any cask, &*c. into any ware-
house without proper ropes. Fines 10s. 20s. and 1:5. Agreed to.
Any person hoisting out of a cellar any cask, &c. the same
fines. Agreed to.
Any person throwing any offensive matter into any street, &e.
Fines se. lbs. and 403. Provided, this bye-law not to extend to
the removing of any Manure from any stable, &c.
M. Councillor W.ti.msi.Rv., as one'of the council, would pro-
test against the la-vs being paSiod that day, as it would be legis-
lating wink fearful rapidity. awl many members were not fully
acquainted with them. lie should, therefore, move that the
bye-laws should. be Printed and each member furniThed with
copies before they be paSsed..
Mr. Councillor E;SMITI4. begged to second that, if it would
be no bitiderariee to the public •bue.ineSs,
Mr. Alderman BrioWsr said,. these bye-laws had been several
weeks before the public,.aed he thought they had hid considera-
tion 'enough. He thOughtthey could not go before the public
at the election withoirt having passed any, bye-laws., The altera,
lions made were merely verbal cities.
.Mr. Councilloi A. 111,13 concurred with Mr. BroWn.
Mr: Councillorli.siturdtse would protest against the use of
the expression -"indeeent taste" by his frend.
Mr. Councillor WALIISI,EY -said he never
.made use of' any
such expression.- • .
The MAYoa said the *girls were "fearful rapidity," and with
which sentiment he.entirely disagreed:
Mr. Councillor ItsTuttoste hoped Mr. Walmsley would with.
draw his motion, no one more readily acceeded praise to the
unwearied services of Mr. Walmsley than he did, but he thought
he had not seen the exertions of others in these bye-laws.
Mr. Councillor LAWenNca HavvvonTii enquired it the coun-
cil at any future time could not remodel the bye-laws.
The TOwN-cI,ERK replied, most certainly, on a short notice.
Mr. Councillor Ski lEL was sorry in agreeing with Mr. Waling-
ley that he should differ from many of the council. He was
much surprised to hertione of the gentlemen of the committee
say that nothing but verbal alterations were made in those
laws. The laws before them had been very materially altered
in words. The very law just read had been greatly altered.
The substance of it before was to make every house in Liverpool
subject to it. He thought the alterations had been so numerous
that it was nothing more than common prudence and discretion
to have them placed in the hands of the council in their present
shape, in order that they might see that they were in accordance
with their wishes, as sometimes a single word would materially
alter the sense. He cordially agreed with Mr. Walmsley.
Mr. Alderman Bnowrs said the laws themselves had un-
dergone revision after revision, and it had been generally un-
derstood that this meeting was for their legal passing. No
alteration had been made in them, but slight inaccuracies had
been corrected.
Mr. Councillor Horn enquired if Mr. Walmsley persevered
in his motion ?
Mr. Councillor WA LAISLEY.—" I do."
Mr. Councillor Hopi said that while it would be readily ad-
mitted that no individual had given more of his time to the
public good than Mr. Walmsley, yet he must bear in mind that
he had not given the value of his services to the passing of the
bye laws, while many of the members of the council had given
day after day to them. It was important that these laws should
be finally passed during the present week, in order that they
might not assign to others that with which they were unac-
quainted. He hoped Mr. Walmsley would withdraw his motion.
Mt. Alderman Evs INS said he had been greatly astonished
at what Mr Walmslev had said, because he should have ex-
pected that they should have been charged with unnecessary
delay. These bye laVcs had been undergoing discussion for
weeks, and they had had the advantage of all the usual modes
of going before the public. There was no man in the council
could have a higher value of their services than Mr. Walmsley,
but ire (Mr. Evans) had no idea that these services had been
given in all departments of the government of the town; he
thought Mr. Walmsley had no right to make those observations
on others. Not only had Mr. Walmsley not been on the com-
mittee of the bye laws, but he had not attended at the council
during their discussion to give the benefit of his suggestions.
He had had_ invitations sent to him but had not attended. It

was quite possible for those who had not gone long journeys to
undervalue the labours of those who had. He wanted to know
what was discussion if they had not discussion enough on these
bye laws ? He did not know: what was public if they had not
been made Public. If the discussion they had had already had
not been able to produce the desired end, no further discussion
could produce the desired end.
The Mcni roe wished to take the opportunity to say a few
words, in'order to justify
.hinkeelf for having allowed to go with-
outuotice the charge that the proceedings of the bye laws had
been paSsed with improper haste. He did not know -what
might be-the feelings of some gentlemen who had not attended
the council regularly, but he believed the feeling was, generally,
that thirthere was. no -more necessary duty there had been no
duty. which' had been more irksome; irksome in consequence of
the extreme length of time and the multifarious meetings re-
quired. Ile must say that there never was a more hasty charge
made—he would say inadvertent one than had been made by
the Councillor for CaStle-street. He thought, to avoid person-
Utilits, it would be better to address the members of the council
for the future by themards which they represented. He thought
Mr. Walmsley might justify himself to his constituents for
having alloweil- other members to give greater attention to the
bye laws than he had, he having occupied his time quite suffi-
ciently in other respects to justify him to his constituents.
One of the reasons why it was desirable to pass the present bye
law was, that after the present week seventeen new members
might come into the council who would naturally say, " we
must have time to consider these laws before we can pass them."
They had always this remedy if necessary, on a short notice,
the new council might always assemble for the purpose of
remodelling and repealing those laws. He dirt not say that
the new council were unfit for the duty. Unless there were
some better reasons advanced than had been, he could not
assent to the idea that these proceedings had been brought
forward with improper haste.
Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN concurred with the Mayor. He
thought Mr. Sheil totally in error in supposing that any vital
alterations had been made, by the committee, in these laws.
The TOWN-CLERK said he was pot aware that any now matter
had been introduced into the bye laws.
Councillor.COGLAN said if those laws had been new, and
brought forward for the first time, the observations. of Mr.
Walmsley and Mr. Shiel, would have been very proper; but
many of the laws had been long in operation.
Mr. Councillor MORECROFT gave credit to Mr. Walmsley for
good intentions in .the matter, and, duly estimated his labours iu
the department he 'had undertaken, but he thought Mr. Walms-
ley did not duly estimate the labours of others. 'I office of
committeeman on the bye laws had been very laborious. He
could speak also to the indefatigable conduct of the Town-clvk
in this matter, he had been up many times nearly half the night,
and the night before for instance he had been up with him till
between one and•Tivo o'clock. (Hear, hear, hear )
Mr. Councillor WALSisLEy said; that as he perceived that
the majority of the council were against him he should, though
his conviction was still the same, withdraw his motion. (Hear.)
He never wisher) to bring anything before the council which
should be considered as setting his own feelings against others.
His opinion was still strongly in favour of the -b)'et laws being
made more public. If seventeen new members were to come
into the council (which-be didnot apprelikid) they • " could use
their senses" in reading these laws,:and if they were right they
could accede to them. •He felt satisfied* that great good would
result from considering this question more at large.
The bye law which had last -been read was then again read by
the Town-clerk and approved.
After which the general 'bye laws, the whole of which have
appeared in the various council meeting reports in our columns,
were again read over and'passed, some with slight alterations in
them. . . . . . .

Uu the bye law being road, " that if any blacksmith using a
forge, having a door or window, or other opening fronting the
street, should not close such opening every evening half an hour
after sunset so as effectually to prevent the light shining through
the windows, &e., he shall he subjected to penalties.
A letter was here put in, signed by Messrs. Andrews and
Prouse,stating that their.foreman said that if they were obliged
to shut their windows in winter at four o'clock, as they worked
till seven, they would be 'smothered.
Mr. Alderman RitowN :said .they might make any opening
they liked, so as they prevented the light. shining into the street,,,
At proved.
l'he penalties for writing obscenities' on the walls were re.;
duced to 2s. 6d., 10s., and 405., from 10s. for the first offence, as
it was urged it might frequently fall on boys. -
A new bye-law. was passed making it penal 'to thrOw•slitei,
bricks, /mortar, &c., from the roofs of houses into the street.
Penalties 55., 10S., and 20s.
Some discussion occurred on the bye-law relating to carrying
the carcasses of cattle and ,butcher's meat without a cover
through the street.
Mr. Alderman Evans thought legs of mutton 'ought to be
excepted; there was nothing indecent in seeing them carried,
and they could not legislate for every trifling offence.
Mr. Councillor EARL, thought it was a nasty dirty habit to
carry meat through the streets without a cover. and that those
who could afford to buy a leg of mutton could afford to put it in
•a basket or cover it with a cloth.
Mr. Alderman BROWN thought they could not• do:better than
allow the law to remain as it was. A bloody sheep's neck or
heart for instance was a very nasty sight in the street.
Mr. Councillor Ravinotse thought an exception might be
made in the law, and that it should only apply to. quarters of
beasts or large pieces. Tor though " bleeding hearts" imght
sometimes affect' some ladies, he did not think legs of mutton,
&c., would. (A laugh.) •
A bye-law, made for the purpose of preventing the-thickery
manufactories, was read, "that. if any person shall cause any
noxious vapour, Scc., so as to lie offensive to persons passing
along the street." Penalties, 205., 405., and £5. Agreed to.
The TOWN-CLERK, after reading over the whole of the general
bye-laws, said they must now fix a time fur the bye-laws to come
into operation, sufficiently distant to allow of their being before
the Secretary of State forty days before coining into Operation.
It was then agreed that the bye-laws slieuld, conic into opera-
tion on the Ist of January.
It was proposed to adjourn the council till Monday at ten
o'clock for the purpose of passing the rest of the bye-laws relat-
ing to the old boreueh;whiCh was agreed to.
Mr. Alderman BROWN would, befere they separated, present
the report of the Dock Committee..
The TOWN-CLERIC thee read the report, which, after stating
the labours of the committee on the deck question when it war
before parliament, stated that on the Ist. of sNovember next the
prelent Dock Trustees would cease to be so, and the new coun-
cil would become the trustees, having- the power to elect thirteen
members out of their body as a majerity of. the cornwittee of
management. and the council would have. power to revise the
proceedings of the committee.
The,eouned then adjourned at half-past two o'clock.
• • YESTERDAY..

The council met again .b • :adjournment at ten o'clock yes-
tet.day. .

ISetore the proceedings commenced, Hope attcn