The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-11-02 00:00:00

REMOVAL OF THE HAYMkRKET.

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Mr. Councillor MS Di.:N said that he was opposed to that
portion of the report which related to the removal of the hay-
market. He thought that the old Botanic Garden wile a very
ineligible site for a south haymarket. and should much prefer
the removal of the present market to one central situation.
The farmers interested in the subject had a decided objection
to the proposed plan. Besides, it appeared to him that, with
one central market, persons would be enabled to make more
advantaveous purchases than they could if the markets were
scattered up and down. He could buy things cheaper in St.
John's Market than in any other. He should move, as en
amendmeut, that there be one central market fur the sale of

hay.
Alr. Councillor PLATT seconded the amendment. lie also
was in favour of one central market, and was of opinion that
the Botanic Garden was not a proper place for a haymarket.
Mr. Councillor Coatis said, that one reason why this sub-
ject had now been brought forivard, was to set the public
mind at rest on an important point. Numbers of persons
laboured under the misapprehension that there was to be one
market only, at the north end of the town; and he begged
to say, that many of those who had signed the memorials,
bad stated that they did not know at the time that there was
to he a market at the south, and that, if they had been ac-
quainted with the facts of the case, they would not have signed.
He stated this positively, as a thing which could not he de-
nied. It had been stated that there would be an advantage
in having one central market. He wished to know what in-
convenience had resulted front having St. James's, Scotland-
road, Islington, and Cleveland-square markets? He would
ask, if they were to do away with the other markets, under
the determination of centralizing St. John's, if the public
would not rise up in alarm, and oppose them? Such, in fact,
was the increase in the town, that St. John's Market had ac-
tually become too stall, and they hail been compelled, from
time to time, to dismiss certain branches of trade from this
market, for the purpose of making room fur those who vended
that description of produce more proper fur a market. There
were other considerations :—the concentration and amount
of all the passengers at the railway station, the numbers of
whom would certainly increase every year ; the proposed
erection of courts of justice, and of St. George's Hall, which
rendered it necessary that there should be an open spaca for
easy approach. If they would look at the map, they would
find that the Botanic Garden was not all an inconvenient
situation. There was access to it from Wavertree, Child-
wall, and ToNteth•park, and it stood in the centre
of those roads. Besides, it had the advantage of being laud
in the possession of the corporation. Latterly, the situation
had been much deteriorated by the establishment of a num-
ber of coal-yards in the vicinity, and the land would not sell.
It had in fact been on sale a number of years, but bad not
been purchased. He hoped it would be understood that this
measure had now been brought forward to allay the appre-
hensions of those who conceived there was no intention of
appointing a market in the south as well as the north.
Mr. Councillor W. EARLE said Mr. Ramsded had alluded
to the wishes of the farmers. He did not know what they
had to do with the farmers, who, no doubt, wished to have
one market, that they might lay their heads together fur the
purpose of keeping nit the price of hay. He thought they
ought to take care of themselves.
Mr. Alderman Evatis was perfectly of opinion that the
Botanic-garden ought to be the only ptice appropriated fora
market. There was no kind of analogy between a market
where there were carts and horses, and one where there were
pedestrians only. A load of hay had to be carted all over
the town ; but a washerwoman who had to buy a few articles
went to a neighbouring market; and to her it would be an
immense evil if there were no neighbouring market. The
hay•carts were like ships; most of them, atter the hay had
been disposed of, had to go for a return cat go in the shape of
manure. What was their object in having a market at the
north? They must pay for hay wherever it was to go. He
believed that the city of Dublin, which had 60.0(X) inhabit-
ants more than Liverpool, had but one hay-market. They
ail knew that the lesser the markets, the easier the combina-
tion. He was in favour of one market, and thought that the
Botanic-garden was the most suitable place.
Mr. Councillor BOLTON said that he was at first favourable
to the establishment of only one market, but the return made
to the inquiries of .the committee, which showed that fully
three fourths of the produce entered from, and was disposed
of for consumption to persons residing at the north end of
the town, decided his opinions the other way. The Botanic-
garden was too far to the south-east. With the knowledge
that this town was increasing, and likely to increase, he
thought that it was quite as proper to have two markets for
hay as for anything else; and he knew no better situations,
admitting that two were desirable, than ,he sites fixed upon.
Councillor Dr. CARSON observed that they might as well
say there should be two cotton-markets. He thought that
their object should be the accommodation of the public; and
if it were desirable that the market should remain in its
place, why let it remain. The railway stations and St.
George's Hall were merely secondary considerations to the
hay-markets. St. George's Hall was to be a building for the
convenience of a few only, and there were usher places on
which it might be erected; but the haymarket was for the
convenience of the public generally, and their accommoda-
tion should be attended to in preference to the convenience
of a few. If, however, it was determined that there should
be a market at the north end of the town, he thought there
should be one at the south also; and in that case, perhaps on
better site could be selected than the Botanic-garden. But
still there was no better place than the central station near
to the ether markets. He thought it would be better to defer