The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

FRIDAY, JUNE 3RD.

The inquiry was resumed a few minutes after eleven
o'clock. The attendance of the public, and those more
immediately connected with the enquiry, was at first ex-
ceedingly meagre; doubtless in consequence of the fact
that the evidence of the various witnesses brought forward
by the petitioners has been so exceedingly lame and im-
potent, compared with the reports which were so long
and so industriously circulated by the opponents of the
members for Liverpool. The first witness called was

Jeremiah NlTarthy, who said : I know Mr. Rowett.
By the CHAIRMAN: I got the money for William
Sergeant, and I gave it to Robert Sergeant.
Robert Sergeant was recalled, and said : I saw the
witness, M`Carthy, after the election, and drew my
brother William's money from him. My brother voted
with me. My brother William had told M'Carthy to
give it to me.

Thomas Allen : I am a ropemaker, and voted for Mac-
kenzie and Turner in Edge-hill ward. I went direct
from my dwelling to Marshall's coffee-house : other per-
sons were there ; a good many voters, and some non-
electors. I afterwards went to the ropewalk to see what
was going on ; and subsequently, at the coffee-house,
saw Mr. Rowett, who asked me what side I was going to
vote on, when I said I had not promised it. He said at
first, I am very glad to see you this morning, and I hope
you'll render us assistance. I went out and gave my
vote independent of anybody. After giving my vote,
Rowett came and asked me to assist him by going off in
a car with some voters who were being taken to the poll.
Some ropemakers came up and asked me to have some-
thing to drink. I told them I had not money. Rowett
had asked to see me about another voter named Thomas
Allen. He was in the ward near St. James's church ;
and I got him to poll. I afterwards went back to the
Edge-hill coffee-house, and saw Rowett. That would be
at from two to three o'clock in the afternoon. I said to
him, " Allen has voted." He asked, " Are you going
away ?" I said, " No." He said he should like to see
me to the close of the poll. I then went up stairs and
drank a glass of gingerette and smoked a cigar. I don't
recollect that Rowett spoke to me about any other voter.
I recollect a conversation with Rowett as to tickets. As
we were taking Allen to the poll, Allen asked for a glass
of ale, and Mr. Rowett said, " I have not a shilling
about me." He said that, when I asked him if he had
money or tickets for refreshment. Allen wanted to know
if he would have a day's pay.

By Mr. SMITH : He did not ask Mr. Rowed for it.
By Mr. PAGET : I asked Rowett if he would give me
the day's pay for loss of time. He said, if it is to be, every
man will have it. Now, I said, " Tom, if the wages are
to be paid, don't lose any time after it." I don't believe
I have seen Allen ever since. I saw Mr. Rowett a fort-
night or three weeks after. I don't recollect seeing him
a few days after the election. I got money from Rowett
a fortnight or three weeks afterwards : it was 10s. 1 got.
I kept the 10s. to myself. I was perfectly satisfied with
the money : I was compelled to be satisfied. I got it
from out of his own pocket. I know that, because I saw
him take it out. (Laughter.) On the day of the election
I was about the coffee-house at Edgehill, several times.
lam a master roper. I superintend the work. On the
election mornink I went over my work. When I saw Rowett
at the Edgehill Coffee-house, I saw him doing various
things—taking men up to vote ; I saw him in a chair,
presiding at a table, round which other persons were
assembled. I can't say he had any books before him.
The house was at times full—people coming and going.
I can't say going towards the polling-booth. Many were
dodging about the place to see if they could get drink.
I can't say I saw persons carrying colours and wearing
favors. I did not see Rowett pay money to any person
whatever.

Cross-examined : I am a householder, and have a rope.
walk of my own, employing a few men under me. I had
assisted Mr. Rowett at the election. The money I
received was not had for my vote. I would not sell my
vote. When ho gave me the money he said it was paid
out of his own pocket for assisting him. I went across
and gave my vote independent. Since 1790 my father
has voted on the Red side, and the family have always
done so. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and
Turner.

Mr. SMITH : So you are hereditary Reds. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote in Denison's contest ?
Witness : Yes, I did.
Mr. PAGF.T : Did you receive any money ?
Witness : I received £lO. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : On which side did you vote ?
Witness : I polled on the " red" side, for Mr. Denison.
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote at Lord Sandon's election ?
Witness : No, I did not. I think I should have re-
membered if I had.
Mr. PAGET : When were you made a freeman ?
Witness : I have been a freeman since 1827.

Mr. SMITH : Did you live in Liverpool? • •
Witness : No; I resided in Manchester; and the £lO
was given to pay my expenses.

Thomas Wilson, a freeman, deposed that he was a
chairmaker and jobber, and that at the last election he
voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I am not employed
that I know of by Mr. Birchall in the removing of furni-
ture. I am certain that he never employed me. T know
him. He has a shop, in Richmond.row. He asked me
for my vote, in Hanover-street, before the election. He
asked me if I was going to vote fur Turner and lgacken-
zie ; and I said, yes. Something was said about a day's
wagegh I said, six shillizip. He then said, if I polled

with him I would have my day's wages. I was working
at that time for some one whose name I did not knoll,
having been engaged at a sale-room. He said to me, 't
would be all right. I worked at that time b the boat
and I cannot say that I bad worked by the dab fora mont?
before that. knew Birchall. When this was talked ofr
about the wages, I was told I should go to the committee:
room at " The Pontac," in St. Anne's Ward. I Con "
say on what day the conversation took place in Hanover:
street. It was before the polling day. I went more den
than one ; and I saw Birchall there, walking about. I
can't answer for him walking about all the.-time in One
room. I polled from " The Pontac," and went frem
that house to the booth in a car. I don't know who Ha
me to go in the car. I was in " The Pontac" from all
hour to an hour-and-a-half before I polled. Another OUP
of the same name as myself went in the coach to the POIV
I went to " The Pontac" after the poll. I'm sure
can't say that I saw Birchall there. Next day after that
I went to Birchall's place, and got some money—not frol
himself, but from his sister. He sent her for change, aPj
she gave me ss. She at first gave me 4s. • but he go;
give Tom another shilling. I did not see any other ore'
there at the time.

Cross-examined.—l made up my mind to vote for 31:e•
kenzie and Turner before my conversation with Birch
and although I had not received the 53. I should Bantle/6
voted for Mackenzie and Turner.
John Brown : 1 am a freeman, and a wood turner.
voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner.
voted from " The Pontac." Nobody canvassed me 10/
my vote. I did not see Birchall before the election. ;
saw him on the morning of the polling day, but I did Ilf;
speak to him. I can't say that I saw him there 00 tug
morning of the polling. I went from " The Pontiti
with Westmore and Talbot, to the polling booth. I
in Castle-street. Talbot and Westmore polled at the ,TelP
of Leece-street. I went back to " The Pontac" 0,10
the poll, but I did not go in. I went elsewhere. 0,
impossible for me to tell where 1 went after that. I We„r
to many places—to the top of Mill-lane to a pubs;
house—whose name I do not know, and whose landloref
name I forget. Talbot and Westmore were with me• bt
went next morning to " The Pontac," and saw Talbot
there, but did not see Birchall. After that, I never wel:(
to the residence of Birchall, in Richmond-row • I k,,i11,6
where he lives. I have received money from Talbot.
morning after the election he gave me 4s. I received it
Dale-street; but I never expected to receive it. He to/
me that Birchall sent it. Ido not know what I got it Teri
John Woods : lam a freeman and a labourer. I VOL
at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I lfr
employed to carry a flag on the day of the nominatioe'
I was not employed at all to do it. No one asked meta ~
do it. I went to " The Pontac," in Christian-street, 01'
the day of the nomination. I saw a person there vrhote
I know only by sight. I asked him to give me a figgi
and he told me to go into another room and get one. es,„,
put my name down. The flags were red and blue. They
might be 40 or 50 carrying flags. and it was very van
walking. I got 55., but I never took the flag hack. lost it. A man took it away from me. I went down 0a
0
the morning of the election, about eleven o'clock, to "."_.y
Pontac," and went in a coach to the poll. I came bro
in the coach to "The Pontac," and waited there a iOA
minutes. I got no money from any one after that. Sci;
minutes before the election I had a conversation with .0'
Richard Birchall as to the situation of a watchman. ,1/4
said the first vacancy that occurred I should have.
get a place a fortnight or three weeks after the electi°l
I got 10s. a, week. I went on duty at six o'c.ock, °o
went off at twelve o'clock. I do not know the peg
who paid me the ss. for carrying the colours.
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Cross-examined : I carried the co!ours all the dilIA
the nomination. It was a very hot day, and it was PP'
work.

John Bathurst Brown said : I was a tobacconist, at 21e3i
Tithebarn-street. Before the election I was canvas&
by Mr. Turner, who asked me to vote for him and xis
Mackenzie. I had known Mr. Turner. hesitated is
giving Mr. Turner an answer. The person who vitsj
the shop was Galooby. When he left the shop, 151-
to Mr. Turner I had a favour to ask before I gave,
vote. I asked him could he give me employment. ,
Turner hesitated for some time, and then my wife nare'''
the Sailors' Home.

Mr. JAMES : Did you hear what your wife said ?
Witness : Yes.

Examination continued : He said he had no interestin
the Sailors' Home himself, but he had a friend who MA
Before my wife interfered, he said he was not quite
he could get anything for me or not. My wife sai°'d
you have not interest, nobody has. When she spokeJ
the Sailors' Home, he said he should speak to his frie-j
Mr. James Tyrer, at the Sailors' Home. As soon 0$
$
had got that promise from Mr. Turner, I gave 111 To
promise that I should vote for him and Mackenzie.
.%
this conversation I did not tell Mr. Turner anYtkl,
about my politics at all. We said nothing about politw
Mr. Cardwell's name was not mentioned.
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situation ? (Question objected to). What made you PP"
mise to vote for Mr. Turner ?

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As afkt
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which
voted for Mackenzie and Turner, I called upon Mr. Turner
and reminded him of his promise. I went with him to
Mr. Tyrer. I heard Mr. Turner speak to Mr. Tyrer, and
Mr. Tyrer said he would let me have a situation as soon
as ever there was an opening. I called upon Mr. Tyra
several times afterwards, every week, I should think, uP
to Christmas, I wrote to Mr. Turner, but got no answer'
I continued calling upon Mr. Tyrer till Mr. Turner
returned to Liverpool.

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tiocnrtoossileexsasmrsi."Aelda cbkyenmz ajnAdMTEusr'n elr,sigantetdbethsearareegtulisii
I said it was not binding. I meant I should vote as I
thought proper. I did not sign it as if it was binding.
told Mr. Beloe so.

- - -
By Mr. MACAULAY: I received the letter produced
before the election.

Mr. Turner having acknowledged that the letter sctig
his, it was put in as evidence. It was as follows :

Liverpool, sth July, 1852iit
Sir,—l have not forgotten your case, and I have mentione, to
to Mr. Tyrer. At present nothing has become vacant likel)c
suit you, but I will continue to keep it in mind, and I hope
may be able to do something before long.
Yours, CHARLES TURNER'

Mr. J. B. Brown.
Cross-examined : I am a Reformer in polities' .t
should certainly have voted for Cardwell and Turner 1,4
had adhered to my principles. My wife was preser,
during the whole of the conversation with Mr. Turned
e'
I should not have signed the requisition to Turner he" e
not been pressed to do it by Mr. Law. I have told 1,1,
several times—once to Mr. Galooby, a brewer's el,e„ret
I have once kept a beerhouse, and gave it up, as it did nag
do. It belonged to a person named Rotwell, and it Cdr
situate in Edgar-street. I served him. He got fiT'''o)
and I left him—previously shutting up the shop.
not in any business now. It is three months since 1 "t 1
the tobacconist's shop. lam not without money. I,"
the Speaker's warrant to come here nearly a month sin, t
T never was in prison for debt. I was a tobaccolllti
before I kept a beershop. I had a shop for 11 years, e°o
Mr. Mellor took it from me to make his public-hoe e',
larger. When I spoke to Mr. Turner, I had not Pri,4
mised my vote. I had been canvassed several times
the other party. When the conversation took place, I*
Turner was in the shop for a quarter of an hour. ';et
wife spoke fast. My wife might say that she was a Pub f
woman, and had several children. She might say OPT;
was old and infirm, and wanted me to get into the Seil°oo
Home, as I was not capable of hard work. She begse
conversation in respect to a situation. She spoke s°7l,
little time to him. I was out during a portion of the cold
versation. I know what she told him, because she to
me. Mr. Turner had been in, I believe, five or et
minutes before I came in. When I came in, I found tiloep,
in conversation. My wife took part in the conversati
I know Gilooby, and I believe he is here. We apolaer,
over several times—not while we were drinking tegetl,o,
Galooby was with me when I went to give this inferrtl4,
tion. I gave my evidence to some person in Ylet
buildings, who took it down ; but I do not know who tete
person was. It would be a month ago. I came up POI
with Galooby, and we have been living at No' „ft'
Stafford road, Pimlico. Galooby has never read the
dance over to me. He has not got it wrote dowe'Aff
might have mentioned it to some persons in London. '-
wife is here.
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By Mr. BODKIN : I wanted to go into the Sailors'
as a door-keeper, or any sort of situation of that 0
which I could get. I have been to the Sailors' Home' Q,
Mary Brown : I am the wife of the last witeeio
Before the last election we had a tobacconist's shePoS
Tithebarn-street. I remember
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shop. That was a fortnight or three weeks beforeolo
came election. i
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and had a large family. My husband and Galooby
there was any conversation between my husband erla.peo
Turner before Galooby came in. Galooby revel° IV
about ten minutes, and during that time they were tlich
thereAi election.r.
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twhereh
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believe situation,
mafetrecrhaAnltr: Turner had said he show" J•
what he could through the influence of Mr. TY'rertlt°
Sailors' Home. I do noatn
councillors for our ward. Nothing more passed that ,kit,
particular. No particular situation was mentioned• t,
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Turner was there, dare say, from four to half-past'
had a good many difficulties about the election tire`d
was short of the rent, I paid it, but was not heIP
anybody.
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Cross-examined : The tobacco was paid for as we ^o
He has been in difficulties with tradesmen's bills dodge'
the last few months. He has not, with my knovo!oela
applied for money from various narties. Galooby

not have heard anything that took place.
By Mr, BODKIN : Except that they had a converse the
By Mr. RODWELL : All that was said abootridea
situation was said by me. All that my husband it1e,,,i191
1/ "to do about his vote was left to me. , I have a large 'Bill'
and I told Mr. Turner that my husband was infirtail 00
not capable of hard work. Mr. Turner was fitye to!,
alma for about five minutes, and Galooby was then
about ten minutes, during which they had somect'
about the election. Galoob is a person who CO"
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was. We were about five minutes in the place 'r
took me to, and a gentleman took down my state% ber
have been with Galooby all the morning, and ha,brOcr
talking to him, but not about the election or 1‘11;:ok ploce
d,
1 have never spoken to anybody about what tubusbalihe
between Mr. Turner and myself, except 03Y over
with whom I talked the matter over. It was'tirue.
town that we were to get £5 ; but this was no ; olLt
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never asked for anything ; not even for fivePeinrcoglio
wanted my husband to have a situation, and
that wag not the 841110 as money.

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