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arid if th
ePt theinselves out because they repudiate. Christianity ;
e constitution did not contain specific enactments
aka th • e , e subject, it was because our legislators were not
eropeete a.
now could they anticipate the wants of future
-!.e'r tlt legislatewnchriacstcinorndinityglwyi?th
(Hear.)
eealright Theythey had; and
.:lii,lever entered their hearts to suppose that a time might
to 'Ye wheu Jewish gentlemen would dine and be qualified
sit side by side with British legislators.
The
a 10 -• le scroa here begged the meeting to excuse him for
he 'Silent While he retired, Mr. Win. Rathbone, in the
eree e__ .
tiou, b, assuming the chair. After some little convse.rsa.
nal a _r* ')Si was about to proceed, when the Radicals
etoinan Catholics renewed their disturbances.
Dr an
v • Naree -You have the majority in the room, and
.eere E
vat._ ttre of a vote against what I am going to say; this
are, yt ,therefore, cannot be for the vote, but it is because
leern t like discussion. (Great opposition, and counter
) er
valid 101 l have carried an amendment without one
sae- ar•nlunent against Mr. Pollock's speech ; you may
(v- another with-out a valid argument assainst my sh.
lre'oe°' no," laughter, great cheering, and'a voice, " We've
of thenioo 19 years.") Our friend, who spoke on behalf
et ewsr told us that there was no law on the. British
e,c3, e. book for their exclusion from parhament,-th t
she 'aught sit on the benches, and vote in the house.
.1
ao:ltd,larliaps be cautious how I say anything in opposis
eet eaattl opinion of a lawyer on such a pointabauthe
penalty,eid
for c-cf,',_
ea. t, if they did so vote, they . e
lYstaa7 Is, I believe, a penalty against any memberes
has
4e7147.4t, of any description, who will vote before n
need the oaths. Therefore, although they might have
1.11/3 it was by incurring a penalty-that is, by breaking
void
(Great cheering, and counter groans. Several n_ss called out, " Fair play.")
1,17' 4'N-tree-Fair play is a jewel, but you maseleek
tllQl'cktnh for a jewel in some places. (Great laughter,
Dr iiee and groans.)
rilose Lee the
tontititted,-Our present chairmen, in
'at eala'e amendment, alleged that Mr. Pollock lean said
,Pnosie"4 eetild not bind Roman Catholics. (Cheers and
,L'llee 4,".) I beg to say that Mr. Pollock said no such
~-& Irilif ikieries of '" Yes, yes," overwhelmed by negatives.)
:.'itcl h,,-e,“. Yon. when he s' aid He said that oaths could not
IX) bad consciences or disloyal hearts.. (Immense cheer-
-4! kilt': °se were the words he used. (Renewed cheers.)
e'rQ ilse''s' sod we all know, that in all denominations of
en‘kla.,arimitiatieti of character is indispensable if you
}.."`
_fie D."el the truth. (Hear, hear.) There are members
'et Pah'Crthofc Church, who have 4eeen also mem-
ek,s°, the triiish 'Parliament within the last twenty
noting Lit'dwho have felt themselves so .bound by. the oath
''tiee-„ qttestion this day, that they have refrained
otes.
enet Kti'teeestions affecting the integrity of the Pr
re esuttreh of England. That dots not apply to them
n'tleee4/13' of the members have tiet felt themselves so
letated,-,assYlhe oath-. (cheers.)-and lifter taking it they have
srilya many think, against that oath. (Hear, hear.)
niteres4 not think so 'and some ot'their co-religionists hate ;
.tztlelt',tlierefore,
Ntit•- 41 °Pinion with them, rind have refused to take tl,
it-is not a sweePing charge that the oath'
tlia, Ires' hairid the whole • 'btitthe oath cannot bind the
in 110-no. a bad iceconscienOr -a-disloyal heart, whethnesre,htes
''hin r•ilart Cath li ' not !You ask what is the .
eek3t . o c or •
es'graila 4.ertoa oaths. If they cannot bind bad men, why
1 rimes)'`er them ? (Loud cheers and uproar for senal
er.'aeh lhere is a -Class of persons, however,
- tha rleot deterred from its violation by the circumsta.rice
)11100,;:: Baring taken an oath, would be deterred from the
.vite."4.l,°f Public odium which' they would incny • after
4 catlsl ',"lts publicly sworn before the nation. There is
t ie te"or bindina men ',he the face of the nation us. well
e7r. iCem,Blsllt Of 40d. .4This leads me to another-point o
totlit--"ne's pee -h. He asks, what kept the 'Roman
-elellt °fsPefre ' e t for so many years, but regard
°lt. °4t-
It parliament
i.nElotnany such thing that -k'ept them
the t (Great chterinan What then ? In orderto enter
Get British
'eats' latu4"), previous to the year 1859, Roman
fi'tllbt wonld havdbeen obliged not merely tetake. the
le et. or a Proteetant magistrate, but have been, obliged!
tq-tire vc'hat 4-1 • - considered one -of the most sacred
naaof „ L;le,)...
aa.,4t..11 „„`lnelr essageon. It was not an -oath zefore the
enatleeimrnament that stopped them.; it was their re-
:)tei.a't tie , 'conscientious regard-afar, what they
i.r, ,rei „
.
.114,,u4ebgn eneir - greatest superstition, the doctrine of
4... e e‘l_lllai. (Great eermg ) •Theee could not
cad aroZedeinanras.Tent
opposition.)withnchutabjuring that. (Cheers,
Of -course I did not
tylt,t yobs jortike, the
at
that that was proper;- but I will
the gte,,,llol:("ttfet .'sgreee fact ; and that is' an answer to
tesNdii-Wue e°_,ll Put' as
tilYlr. Rabone. Theylave not the
it'ye ed ea' eeueirra 'restrained by regard to an oath.. (Re-
'elt ti,-tts•) And now ydo 'holirthe sentimelits
ii7tereine-- arescalled upon tot abjure-4f, ibr example, with
Ze -t7i, tc) that doctrine which they arrcalled upon by-
nnrielee-a /ses in question to repudiate; abjure, and re-
lettdeerhat-feerfrfl doctrine that princes excommuna
1.7 th -I!' ihPop'e of Rome may be deposed and murdereds
'tle e..,--,,,12•-s-abjects-I would appeal tolloman Cathohes
"ut, I, • ".3''oti hold such an opinion, or'do you not ? Ift
eost4 It /lot a -
tha. You ~,,..., ..lery easy matter to -abjetreit ? (Cheers.) I
a, we `44' tun to abjure it. Say thafit is oi.n. weakness.
e't'eara Ztlete Say, we have not •
anNol,„"lleard John Russell has. "
all -the nein e which it
Say that we feel
for
-ge -enter af. and givers a security
(15 earclin.. favour rpOp, US"
is *ll,l..„l,,a'nee of peace the realm..,.
in If we ask you to
-_ 4th . lye', -cost nothing asidise a favour to us, where
oerinistianityY.,(mthekinduess, the 'charity, the social
-ilti ' ,musing to rant us that favour ? (Loud and
.I`tlttt-s.(hee - n ) glf on the other hand, you saya-..e
'", i' hntle rm. ' '
i7t& oe a -e do hold the opinion,' I cannot ask youno
a trestie, in certain:lY' --
- taan -4:1)1.h-4:.4Yolildon't Then,
it,: but I-certainly will, if
Gra ,
of power or place that w • d
1tert...3111:111 a situation of rompaefing the deathafan
eor..,,eN pne n
la ' ''''ve°- lanrtu &tear, hear, ankt cheering.) There-
le-;eihtlitaal,i,td?rtie 't ho.ld it, it is factions_. in you not tonell
diner ei-e-' mid, if you do hold it, it is right in.ese to
for to '3'l-4,l'.4eec.Vklll swear you don't., . (Great cheer-
-ne nes- - Joh es has riot itisigned any reasons
to- i,,,.
li :;rti.oli n Russell _
lla' no
he made, thatthe oaths caolaleed.redinonnoespnroonf
Papal,- no ,' 1,,, longer necessary. tie tt
es,qre .•easons--he did not meter for proof to' he
• Proot, sstou
lsted a. f 3 h• of three years ago--neither did he.rc.fer
1)151101,00-ers,,t,174.
r--e'llpjeoV . conspo.ir.
f (I, Is oWn celebrated assertion, that there ax-
y at tiffs time againstathe
bea co les cel=gl in Enelalend-eneither did he refer for
ar 'isles „'n not less celebrated letter to the Bishop of
etltiNis's.; a Ah '. ah !" laughter .and cheers.) Those.
taio,Tere not con.venient for the noble lord'e present
3 their allnd therefore, he managed very cleverly to
latli . with ati4 Irho 1,04,,
to
the tales of bygone times, when gentle-
-4141 earl*
~ Putney, were encased:- in steel armour,
4... grew viistols at their saddle hel:ters (Laughter
this •fe3:_, ceeering.) So lie got -rid' of 'them e ;hut,
e,,'rieet-jf_ we remember-and let me tell you -and
Pk)IN care ,;•:,z7. come what will of it to-flay, we will take very
--..„
.Laat the .country shall not lorget-Ooudeliaer-
e De -
df England • ought to
akera,_ Member, and the peoPle --, p,
Ng Ye '''r, that 'Roble,
ka lls. fr the papal court -(` Ah . greens
IiLY ple,s_ crin the Roman Catholics)--o wi teyer,you
C' for t,,to call it,;--oall it as you like, Irwillicaall it as I
h",,klam L'uat, is not the point -lias .uow
.establishe;d in
44
ant-L'er terra ea• 1 piscopacy, her dioce.san seer,
Ch.en 4..41,:er machineryel
f years. ago,:that
the object,
,Dr.
p,, canon L:. astatiisslearnagntti° hierarchy was to intenchice
They a • alle the arrangements made a
cons ifillleae°l,itie aei have
and therefore it is no bugbear,
(311'sni-reeklaC:i,-- all
treaa Mac' hinery of evil-:and an organized
tea" aeesrrte'ainst which we maintain these defanees, .
4 41°
deny,
nee 1-s tire ' `its 1 • seated determina-
ti '4 on the Of day, that there is . a deep-sea . . ,
tell to e itart,f.
4ppia upset v.. • Roman Catholics of the, 'Mated lima-
(n nellse I a„eile 'Protestantism of the toot
try ? (Loud
of tile couksiut. , e with. .
Is
-'
' 11-
"I'lr'M dpapist groanE.) I protest-
Ilvotilr2t:tie.,, nail uproar, during which the remainder
who dou..Sit,it,.i at all, was.ottio,tal.ly inaudible.)
Neese „"eni SO badly as to ki . ot it The Men
a 'in .the most
tiety ti„'Laniler `ruses them of professing, - . ,in so-'
knoll, diB„,,„Principles which • for couveniesne,
T 1111,.. ge tlic4-1,.11- (Applanse, and onftruo..a.) I_
-a c_.-•
t he; ,'_.3, whic,r, stncerity---1,, take them at their word_ 1,
bee nee, e . (neje
e_eere ti e ecterofinfa_llible canons have laid,clown, that
't a ie assert marten to- leave no etone, =turned,
ttkatte4 sk , 'ed superiority of the Bishop of Rome shallso
nes, Pliiin4 errlaeY over the whole world. Do not suppose
t4(l. and
_?s, which may he considered by soie.e as i
' rl,he
,eft (e4osolete, cease to have effect. It is no.. ,
}'at t ''Nat " time," and considerable interuption.)
141,44 thou,ll7;_nrnsion -and: interuption, Dr. 3..1`N., ei.le.sahale
teNee, ,ne amendme t had lseen put and earriea, ,
t '4‘
' t°
la°
E . • N ir (he am-,
ta rsate ve another resolution. iow s ,
.. .
ealibea°,r it has never been pro V ed, I very much fear some. of
te'Llreeir gentlemen. advocates of religious liberty -sin7
kief, leeflenseleutioUslyso-nevet take the time or trouble
Naa"tat the great principles of the Roman Catholic system ;
aene to keieleY principles know---atan'irso,nr 'Should be very
Iti;:'* that'e theta
e.s ti the information= (laughter)--they don't
tee',lis itie fundamental principle of that system, from
that of swerve without self-destruction,
earth,
ttltinact
end
as 4,1"', Rome is the Vicar, of Christ upon ea
Slqlt ile-er, he is invested with authority, jurisr-dic'tion, ,
1:4'10.3.-11,4,e,t1ce over kings aud.peeple, over bishos and,
`gab es ti,-"lear, hear, and loud cheers.) The canonrlau
`(1e11-' Q .".. ' Tim canon law is brought in by Dr. \\ Ise-
•lki- tl4,lltlemen may deny this; but,- if they do so, they
Yes hotioWn canori lava Do you deity that the
,pope
trAtiB, es,;,words the temporal and spiritual ?
toaf
oll'ANati behindarld " no, no the revespeaker turni
e.
,2.) ea him, who had been making some r
Iteit, ieb"glethee the Pope of ROme holds it in his mindils,
P'litizirtlot say'zieil• any of his followers hold " i"
tlie•ille. Untlitdis
1( 14 in 4.1 '9r I cannot see into men's mines ,
and i: can heir canon law, and though I have not-the
4ase`-`r• ei;e9llblish it. It is written in their :canon law,
kkei`ilieed.l,lllan has told you that their canon law is
q'taNee 41-to En la d• T 1 • is the question of the
n. „ je t_ . . g n . lIS
~,' lelle3c,, '-' nhich these oaths have reference-it is the
'l4,'Yb. 'tl .541.• (Chee • ) But. let us look at the nature
(1. ie (-le Illalior, 11S1).-.. •" • f his supre-
e qh, ‘x k --t-c....ims m virtue o
e (/-(e440,21,,‘t of radicals her kept an incessant clamour
rettla',loNat'!oe-:' ), I am.sorry you cannot see that this is
to
4444 y
iii,4441. can give you arguments, hut I cannot
(Lou auhter and applause, which en..
laellothee4eneed. the "questioners.") lam new coming
ee'doel Point :it is that the Bishop of Rome claims a
tt3he'trajtiriBdietion beyond h' own realm. He claims
'feelthe 'lre territori 1
‘„ the
subjects n ueisdiction -
sovexeign,_ as if
, ,' ere ill I of another
PqioN, nee) that respect his own
inviolate.
(Cries
Your
pt,,, (adares...l-Ins claim he deems invioltteo.f „
sub.
1°1)•'' 4114 all'lng the Roman Catholics),speat.c.
tilitle t 140oledeemas call them ' subjeetts
_of the
- ° Eh-, gentleraen
qi say "'nlan 'three' will find that
at the manifestoes sen by the
thiee, that , years ago, and you -41. -es, C bishops qualified to govern their
s Ris:et..k"47e, that they arelreqss the people as " their
)17.1ai.tt -,,,44fu5i0n.) Now, the oath of supreniaceere:
4," Dos l'haterieirotestant member of parliament shall
eeneletlltate, ci trier Pope of Rome, nor
sOetiesail?o, pe, r State, bath, or. ought to have, 3"
any other prne-
h7Er ',4etl " er, superiority, re -eminence, or authority,
the sit'w,z,
.a`liti6arvsapiritual, witiiiii. this realm?' . .(Great
‘
14,,batTtelle ; if Teel: " Go on, we'll make you a bishop. )
tre`i 415111 I 141 inlet "ad patted the Church of Rome .on es° .-au, hae b
Iti •sm -e, au., an.een a bishop long ago. (Laughter,
SteNta.a eto rend Irish Yell from the gallery.) It is
leilloriZ, am the the expressions, " ecclesiastical or
tee e 1r4,9 the !stain only a disclaimer of temporal
k Wledge (I'til:t '3f the Pope. Now, ikrequires very
..,•,14 seiz:lari's ulintaltnan nature to know that if
bodyucorn-
-4 _
tiq„,t. lii,,,,ii a_ a south ereby command his y; if 31;n.'
11,4 , 44,
..I'si ow, ,nii, n 8 conscience, you can seize upon his %. ea'-t ho 1(41g11 it ni
naer'e it in 1 aa be true-and at present et
y",----( - l'Alln continue so-that no foreign
4 YCiee ; " Take care of that").--ab take

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 1854

care of that—that no foreign power can lay hold of a
British subject, put him in prison, and abridge his liberty;
lay hold of his property, and deprive him of it by force ;
yet it is not true that:no foreign power canaddressitself to
his conscience, to his feelings, to his superstitions, to his
hopes and his fears, and all that he holds dear as a mortal
creature, and can make him bow down at his feet. (Loud
and enthusiastic applause.) • Now, Mr. Mayor, are we
prepared to do away with these words, and openly to avow
by their withdrawal that a foreign potentate may have—
may have spiritual jurisdiction in this realm ? (Cheers,
and another Irish yell.) Why, Mr. Mayor, if we did so,
then I say—in point of national independence—in point
of allegiance and affection for our sovereign, the very
Turks would rise up against us. (Loud cheering.) What,
may I ask; has been the occasion of the present war ? The
Czar claims a jurisdiction beyond his own realm. ' (Hear,
bear, and cheers.) He claims a jurisdiction over the sub-
jects of the Sultan. He calls that jurisdiction a protecto-
rate ; but by whatever name it is called, it is an inter-
ference with an independent sovereign within the realm
of that sovereign. (Great cheering.) On Monday night,
on the floor of the House of Commons, Lord Palmerston
told the country and the world that " What Russia de-
manded was nothing more nor less than a right—(cries of
" Question," and " 'Tis the question)"—of sovereignty
over twelve millions of the subjects of the Sultan ;
because (as the noble lord most conclusively argued) the
power entitled to protect them in all their affairs, religious
and 'civil, would have been the power to which these 12
millions would have looked, and the Sultan would no
longer have been any more than the nominal ruler in his
own country." (Hear, hear' and applause.) What is the
answer--" I say, sir," said Lord Palmerston, " that is a
concession which Turkey is justified in refusing, and which
every other power —England, France, Austria, and
Prussia say, to concede, would be an abandonment and
sacrifice of the independence of the sovereignty of the
Sultan." And let us hear the spirited answer of the
Turkish minister. He says, as quoted by Lord Palmer-
ston, "It is far better that one of the limbs should be
cut off -than that poison should be infused into the whole
body, throwing Turkey at the feet of a powerful neigh-
bour." Mr. Mayor, I want to know the difference
between a Czar and a Pope? (Cheers and laughter, and
a voice, " The Pope's the worst.") It is a religious
quarrel; the plea of the Czar is the unity of religion
between him and some of the 'subjects of the Sultan.
The claim. of the Pope arises fretn the unity of religion;
his plea is unity of religion between him. and the subjects
of 'Vittoria. (Great cheerlag.) Turkey refuses, and
stands upon the sovereignty of its own monarch, Eng-
landsepproves, and England:goes to war to defend Turkey,
•--(applause,)-and while troops are being embarked at
our various ports to go to prevent the head of the
Greek Church from hating a protectorate over the sub-
Jetts of the Sultan, we 'ere proposing to allow the head
of the Latin Church to establish a protectorate over the
subjects of Victoria. (Loud and continuons cheers.)
Forbid it consistency—forbd it public spirit—forbid it
national independence—(cheer)—forbid it attachment to
our beloved sovereign—(incrmsed cheering)—forbid. it
allegiance to our God, who has taught us in-his word that
" the king and notthepriest is supreme." (Applause.) There
is another important feature of the papal system to which.
I shall' call 4ttattione-it is the canon i:,nNV respecting
property, and which is found in the great volume of the
canon law, under the head of " Restitution." (Interrup-
tion.) I have the original document liere, and could
favour some of our friends with the ve!y words in Latin,
but they would not understand them.. (Laughter and
cheers.) The canon law about property lays it down that
no conqueetby what they choose to tirll " heretics," in a
war whichihey choose to call an ',Nast war," can give
the conquerors any right to the property so seized ; but
that it belongs of right, to the faitbfal from whom it has
been taken, and that no lapse 'of time in the hands of the
hereticalepossessors gives a title to that property. 2Vni-
lust terrfp:a* ecclesim occurrit. 14e length of time acts
as any bar to the claim of the 'thatch. Therefore, when-
ever the 'heretics" can be overcome, the property is to
be restored to the lineal descendants of the original pos-
sessors' of it among the faithftil. They carry things 'so;
far, thal if even in the meantime such property had been.
purchased by.one of the faithfurfrom the "heretics," open
the restoration, that parchaseecould establish no right to:
his pnrehase, bat the land. must revert to the lineal de-
scendant of the original proprietor antecedent to the con-
'vett. This might be -denied, but I happen to have this
boisk, and I might even have been prepared with the
ontginal—(the rev. gentleman was about to proceed with
a eLatin quotation from 'the book, when his voice was
'drowned by a series of discordant sounds from the Roman
Catholics.) This is going a Tattle too near home, (he ob-
served, with a sagacious mile.) You arenot fond of
tatin from a "heretic"-e4leaughter and -oPlause)—but
at precious dose you get of it from your own. (Renewed
?-laughter and groaning.) 'Rut this law about property-
-see how it applies in England, and with what justice _it
is that we have an oatheon the subject for Roman Ca-
tholic members of parliament. Of course, the war to
which our &Wish friend ,-referred in the reign of ..James
11. is considered an ,unjust war, and, of course, the con-
quest by William 111. is held to be an unjust conquest.
and the settlement of property under our revolution-of
1688 is held to be an unjust settlement ; and, therefore; no
"heretical" proprietor ,who came into the possession -of
land at that time has any right to it according to the canon
law, but has got possession of it like a robber and a:plun-
derer, and, as soon as opportunity serves, they would think
they were doing right by dispossessing him ofthe property
and restoring it the faithful. Does it not then seem absurd,
iu the face 'af that, to require Roman Catholic members: f
parliament to say theydmve no intention of making.use of
their privileges to interfere with the present eettlement of
property? (Hear, hears and loud cheering.) Thisla part of
the oath repaired of them-a" Ido swear that Iwillelefend.
to the utmost of my power, the settlement .ef property
within these realmsras-established by law," &e. Is there
a good reason for removing that ? Do none of them en-
tertain the aliesluist design on the restoration or property
whoa tho reesses eaereaome Y (Cheers.) Is there no reason
why a disclaimer of such a notion should still be main-
tained ? I s* again, :as before, that if gentlemen don't
entertain such All op nion, their disclaimer -cannot hurt
them in any way ; while it gives us a little more peace.
We are again appealed to on the score of charity! Great
advocates of charity are these men when it suits them ; .and
great advocate's of charity are these allies—these-friends of
civil and relione liberty ! I appeal to these gentleinen. who
preaeh charity for the- meiThers of the Roman Catholic
Church. You -feel yourselves strong ; you bear the
infirmities of ;the weak. It is poor, unhappy Protes-
tants who are .frightendd, .if you don't take this oath.
Theytwill go and take their:property. Now—(niimicking
teries.Of suppliCation):-Ido show a little kindness ! (Loud
laughter.) But, on the other land, if gentlemen do enter-
can these opinions, if theyibe sincere disciples of canon
law, if they know-what is •written in canon law, andbelieve
it as they profess to do, then there is danger, and we do'
well to guard agnst it, because prevention, as 'far as
possible; is better than-cure. :(Cheers.) There is another
point which has been ,brought before the meeting, .and
which belongs to this subject-ethe law. Another impor-
tant branch of the
,papal system refers to the law about
equivocation I shall not attempt a detailed reference to
canon law in this matter-4he accusations of history are
sufficiently strong--they are multiplied on this point. The
canonisation referred to; which has been established by;the
imprimatur of the papacy, has :declared that in the works
of that man (AlphonsitS Liguori)rnothing is written :con-
trary to, the Catholic faith. That roan (recently canonised
at Rome) declaees that it is lawful to prevaricate--'(A
voice: " You don't understand it")—and that it is lawfill
to deny what a man lenows to be true; and gives en-
' couragement and jtastrattion to witoesses in . a court of
justice how they are to give evidence accordingly. (Loud
cheers.) " There is," says Liguori, "san important point
to be" considered in reference to the azensed person., when:.
lie is not lawfully examined."' Mark, s&. Mayor, when he
is not lawfully examined. When he is asked whether he
has really committed the cries.% lie is at rsherty to reply, = I
;have not done it." When ":lawfully ekanfned !" No court
of justice, no one of 'our courts of insticeis a lawful tribe-
, nal us the eyes of canon law, but Rome. The canon law
/las been published, and eaglet to be reed; and gentle-
men who wish to give a free course to the Church of Rome
in England should make theinseves acquainted with
theccanon law. (Cheers.) " When lie is asked," continues
the sainted Liguori, " whether _be had any Accomplices,
he may answer that he had not. :Yet the accused should
be careful to use; suchexpressions according to his mean-
ingssf the true souse, as, if he intended tO.VT, have
not done .it,' 'beetling `since I have beea in prison.'
(Laughter.) And "I have lead ao accontplie under-
standing by that 'in other crimes.' " (Groans, end, cries
of "Oh, oh !") s It is no wonder gentlemen groau.
(Laughter.) But these are the principles of Liguori. And
Liguori ens canonized at Rome' under the imprinesiar of
the Pope—nut on his books. (Cheers.) Therefore, it is
not without ...cause that we require members of parliament
to take this oath, and make this declaration in the plebe
ordinary sense. of the Words of the oath, without any
eVasion, equivocation, or mental reservation whatever.
(Cheers.) It .is 'now proposed to blot it out, and also to
cancel those Words of the oath, and to supply that.pro-
pesed by-Lord Mon Russell.' (Hear, hear.) But, now,
Mr. Mayor and aentlemen, this is plainly nothing less
than a proposal to repeal an important part of the emans
cipatienhill. (Ileats, hear.) That bill was sought foray
the Roman Catholics,, and was accepted by them :'sa set-
tlement. There "atere oaths upon oaths before it was
passed, to the effect that, if it was granted, peace and
quietness, contentment and harmony, would be the resnit
amongst her Majesty's subjects. The Bishops of the Ronaish
Church in ,Ireland issued a declaration to this effect ; 'and
evidence was given to this effect before the committee of
the House of Commons by Dr. Murray, Dr. Doyle, by Mr.
O'Connell, and by many others, who were examined.
(Cheers.) They all sought for the measure. They all
protested that these oaths were no embarrassment to
their consciences, because all the obnoxious principles
objected to in them had long ceased to be principles of
the-church. (Hear.) On that grout:lid, avowedly, and in
so many words, the Crown and the British- parliament
granted the emancipation bill. It never could have passed
without these oaths in connexion with it. And now the
predictions of some who said, that instead of settlement, it
would be bait opening the door for farther contentions,
are being realised. (Hear, hear.) 'We were told it was to
be looked at as a settlement ; but there were some who
were dissatisfied with it—even with the oaths—and who .
were stared at as bigots of the first water, But now
conies my Lord John RusSell, a-liberal of the first-water—
(" three cheers for Lord John Rusiell.") .0h ! those
cheers are eloquent, Mr. Mayor. (Laughter.) Lord Rim
takes an important part in the Emancipation Bill; and
proposes to repeal a portion of it. Mr. Mayor, is there
any objeetion to any member of the -House of Commons
rising up in his place, and saying to the noble lord—l
will go with you—l will go further than you. If you
lay. a hand upon the bill, lay a hand upon the whole bill :
repeal it altogether." (Cheers.) It was a settlement !
Why break in on one side only ? If you break the set-
tlement, break it altogether; and make a new one.
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) No, Mr. Mayor, but advantage
is taken' of it. [A voice, " We're tired?) Dr. M'Neile
then said that some of them would be delighted to hear
that Lord J. Russell had postponed his intention of
bringing forward the oaths bill on Monday—it was posts
coned sine die (cheers and uproar). At all events there
was hesitation about . the minister himself. He thought
this was one of the cleverest things of Lord John Russell.,
He was pledged to do something, and proposed something
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