The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-11-30 00:00:00

" These designs I saw for the first time last Saturd
13th instant. No. 1, or what Mr. Gage calls

meat upon all other plans designed by him, is
the great design before alluded to, No. 3, and

.
open to the same objections, viz.—that it is dependant upon
a single pair of gates opening immediately from the river;

that its Canals are too contracted

uays too narrow

and if covered with warehouses, as shownby-him, the dock
could not be worked at all except by small•class vessels, and
that there are vessels coming to the port which could no
get into the doct

As to the warehouses ur

ich carts would have
nd during spring tides
scarcely any light, the con-
s to verify Mr. Gage's assertion,

120 feet wide, along the middle of
te go up and down with but littl
when the vessels are high—and
fusion would be such

that much greater dispatch woz

Id be effected

warehouses

" Plan No. 2 is confined to the space west of the Salth
Dock, and is a dock of a parallelogramic form, with

tongues of 120 feet wide, thris dividing the dock 'into thre(
canals, two of which are 180 feet wide, and the middle one
325 at the west and 230 at the east end. This middle portior
of the dock alone is, I consider, useful, as the entrances int(
the north and south canals are only 100 feet wide, and im

practicable for large
occupied. The ent
single pair of 70-fe(

vessels when the quays on each side are
rance to this dock is furnished with v
et gates, and opens immediately from the

river. The quays are covered with warehouses, except to the
westward, where there are none • to the north and south the
warehouses are 60 feet deep, whilst those to the east and
upon the tongues are 120, and have the same objections as I
have described for those in plan No. 1.
" Plan No. 3 is for two docks upon the same site as the
preceding, which are entered from the river by a Y lock
serving for both docks—this plan is open to similar objections
to the last, but not to the same extent. Long vessels can en-
ter this dock, but when full, will be most difficult to work,

The double-lock, tho

inainist

degree facilitate the getting of yes
" Plan No. 4 is confined to the sam
dock and an outer half-tide basin. This is
tionable of the four designs ; but is still much too contra(
in its dimensions, the bottoms of the canals being only 188
feet. The quays between the dock and the basin are of a
horse-shoe form, presenting a very quick convex side to the
dock, and a corresponding concavity to the basin. I con-
ceive the convex side would be found objectionable to moor
ships alongside, as they would touch only in the middle, and
be difficult to keep steady, particularly during tempestuous
weather. The warehouses upon these quays would be more
objectionable than those in the other plans, as they are only
90 feet wide, and would have the same traffic of carts, &c.
passing, through them. The form of the outer basin, is such,
that if it once got filled with mud, as outer, basins quickly
do, it would be difficult to clean, as the dredging machine
could not work with effect.
" To the general principle of these four plans, viz., that of
crowding as much loading and discharging room into a space
as possible, without paying due attention to other considera-
tions, I have decided objections. In a dock where increased
facilities are given, a corresponding desire to get vessels in
will arise ; this dock will always be full of vessels loading,
discharging, or waiting their turns ; let us suppose then, that
a prevalence of westerly winds detains ships whilst others are
still arriving—are vessels that are ready for sea to occupy
quay berths and warehouse frontage to the detention of °thee
vessels, merely because there is no space in the middle of the
dock in which they can lay ? I imagine not, and as
will be discharged with very increased dispatch, in t

.e least ob,

posed new docks, this evil will increase in the same propor-
tion, or will cancel all the good effects that are expected to
arise from these increased facilities.
" These are some of the objections which occur to me on
a hasty consideration of Mr. Gage's plans—having been too
much occupied to go into the detail. With respect to the
plan at present, contemplated, and for which the act was ob-
tained, it was designed on the principle of giving vessels every
accommodation in connexion with the proposed advantages of
warehouse facilities ; and I am still of opinion, that unless
ample space is allowed for the quick moving of vessels to
and from the quays, as well as for those to lay in, which have
no furthcr immediate occasion for such berths, but little pro-
portionate advantage will be gained ; at the same time I beg
that it may be distinctly understood, that whatever plans
this Committee may entertain, designed by whatever person,
so long as I hold the situation I now have the honour of
filling, I shall deem it my duty to carry them' faithfully into
execution, but I will not at the same time be held responsi-
ble for their effects.
" With regard to any future increase of dock accommoda-
tion, I think it necessary, merely to observe, that 1 conceive

as jealous of the

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it was not a system of

system of

, except to a very

other countries which
,entlernen in this and other countries would not feel it diffi-
cult to overlook. It hapened to himself but the day before,
to look into a French book, upon the state of prisons and
crime in that country ; and he found that from 1834 to 1836,
a period during which it was said, light and intelligence had
progressed more rapidly than it was ever knowen to do in
France before, crime had increased 29 per cent. With refe-

f the inc

jury one-half. The fact might perhaps:bear explanation,and
there would be those ready to give an explanation of it, but
it shewed at least one thing, that the adoption of education
without religion, or apart from religious instruction, was not
desirable. And there was one thing more remarkable still,

that the increase of crime in those places where education
was given without religious instruction was greater than in
those placds where no education was given at all. His lord-
ship went on to say, that he did not allege this as conclusive
evidence upon the subject, but he thought it was evidence
which deserved their very serious attention.

The Rev, CHARLES DonosHoN, in supporting the reso-
tion, said it was an essential part of church principles, that,
if you establish a church you must not establish it by halves;

they must not begin with the adult but with the infant popu-
lation, and it was for this reason he thought they had a claim
to support on the legislature. In reference to the proposed
scheme of national education, he said there was one point
in the report to which he wished to call attention.
_lt

meant the church catechism. It would be easy to enlarge
on this subject, but the point to which he would limit him-
self was that the clergy had no option, no discrettou in the
matter at all. His lordship if he would, could not, and, he
would add his belief, would not if he could, permit any of
his clergy in the schools connected with their congregations
to omit the use of the church catechism. And if that were
the case, why discuss the question at all? (Hear, hear, hear.)
These acts of conciliation—if conciliations they could be

ey must

f the un.

way his

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self friends of t

He did hope, therefore

)ken of the duty
ie laity. And I

shoo
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that

of the clergy, he woulc
le would ask them to re•

y with the clergy, were member
ear.) To them they looked for co

ld confideuce at ICast, until they

n they no longer deserved it at their hands.
Id that the clergy had a selfish motive, and

) the preservation of their tithes and in-
av with the unmanly clergy. If there were

fishness in their motives it would be
s all selfishness and dishonesty was, with
but he would ask if it was
ikely they should support a system they did not believe to be
found to ward off some imaginary danger to incomes of from
£5O to £l5O a veer ? The fact was, that they had the same

of a we

)rldly character ;

interests which laymen had, the interests of their Great
Master, to whom they were all in common bound. Having
in view then, let them go forward to the
ich they were concerned, and let them re-
work of such a nature that its results would
ice. It was a work in which they must
th than by sight ; for they might not see
ration the effects of their labours. The
it time were beyond reach ; many connected
!d the age, or gone past the age for
;membered, there were thousands
) had not yet arrived at the proper

adults of t

ad whom