The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1840-08-25 00:00:00

YURTHER EXAMINATION

Yesterday, in the magistrates' room of the Kirkdale Court
House, the prisoner was again brought up, before the same
magistrates, when Mr. Carson adduced the following evi-
dence, which we give rather with a view to satisfy the public
mind that every exertion has been made on the part of that
gentleman and the magistracy to sift the matter to the bot-
tom, and endeavour to discover the perpetrator of the sup-
posed murder, than from its bearing as affecting the prisoner,
which is indeed trilling, if not altogether nugatory :
Mary Mulhall, the wife of Richard Mulhall. I know the
prisoner. I live at Litherland. We live with Patrick Mul-
hall on the banks of the canal. I and my husband slept in
the same room with the prisoner and his wife. I lodged there
the day before Mr. Bibby's body was found. We went to
bed between nine and ten o'clock on the Friday night before.
I and my husband went up stairs together. Cullen was not
then in bed. I was hardly stripped when Cullen and his
wife went to bed. Cullen took his boots off in the kitchen.
I saw him take them off. I saw the Monaghan man about a
week after Mr. Bibby's death. He was sitting without his boots
or shoes in the kitchen. He did not bring either one or
other up to the room. He had a pair of Sunday shoes.
Those he has on appear to be them. I have seen them in his
bed-room. I think Cullen and his wife fell asleep before me,
for Illeard Cullen, snoring while I was talking to my hus-
band. I slept well. It was day-light when I got up. The
prisoner had gone to his work then. I did not see him that
morning. I took no notice. I got up between seven and
eight o clock. Ido not recollect my husband getting up.
The prisoner and my husband had both gone to their work
when I got up. I recollect his sleeping at the house on the
Saturday. I saw him on Sunday morning. We are gene-
rally late out on Saturday. We (I and my husband) gene-
rally go to Liverpool to buy our stuff on Saturday, but we
did not that Saturday, for my husband did not get his money
that night. We went to Bootle only. I first heard of the
body being found in Patrick Mulhall's about five o'clock
that night. Patrick Mulhall went to Liverpool that night.
I left him at the house when I went to go to Bootle. He
had come home from his work, and was getting his tea be-
fore I went. A boy named Groves was in the house that
afternoon. He came in after his work, and Mrs. Mulhall
borrowed a few shillings from him to buy some things, as Mrs.
Cullen had not come in. I heard of Mr. Bibby's death from
Mrs. Mulhall, after I came back from Bootle. Mrs. Mul-
hall said there was a stoppage in the payment of the wages,
and, to the best of my belief, she said it was on account of
Mr. Bibby's death. She did not tell me how he came by his
death. My husband went to Bootle before me. He got his
tea after he came in from work, before he went to Bootle. I
got my tea with him. Groves came back for his money when
I was going to bed, and called for his money. I dined at
twelve o clock on Saturday with my husband, and there was
not a word said about Mr. Bibby. When I left to go to
Bootle, Mrs. Cullen had gone to take her husband's tea to
the brick-field. My husband went first to Bootle, I followed,
and Patrick Mulhall was left in the house. Martin Cain
had gone to bed before I did. Walker used also to go to
bed sooner than us. I have not seen Walker since that
night.

It was intimated to the prisoner that as his law ad-
viser was not present, he might either cross-examine the
witness, or leave that to Mr. Davenport hereafter, to whom
the depositions should be submitted.
The prisoner said he would leave it to his attorney.
George Groves being sworn, said. I live at Seaforth, with
my father. I was working at Mr. Waring's tannery, on the
Friday of the week Mr. Bibby's body was found. 1 heard
that the body was found on a Saturday evening. It was at
Oldfield beer-house, at Litherland, between six and seven
o'clock. Mrs. Cullen told me in the front room. The back
kitchen was full of brick-men. Cullen was there. She
spoke loud enough for her husband to hear her. I asked her
for some money for Mrs. Mulhall. She said she had not a
farthing, and Mr. Mulhall must wait until they got some,
—and that Mr. Bibby had got drowned in a pit, and they had
gone for him, and she was waiting till they came back. I
then went direct to Mr. Mulhall's house. I think there
was no one there but herself and the two children. I only
stopped two or three minutes. I did not see Patrick or
Richard Mulhall, Walker, or Cain there. I delivered the
message in the way I got it from Mrs. Cullen, and told her
that she had told him that Mr. Bibby was drowned in a pit.
I went further up the yard, and stopped till between 10 and
11 o'clock. I saw Conolly there, and staid in his house.
About dusk I saw Richard Mulhall and his wife, and Betty
Mulhall, belonging to the house. Not a word of Mr. Bibby
was mentioned.. I asked her for 2s. from Mrs. Mulhall,
which I had lent her between five and six that evening.
When I lent her the 25., Richard Mulhall and his wife, Patrick
Mulhall, and the man from the north of Ireland, were pre-
sent. When I went to Seaforth soon after five o'clock, I
left Patrick Mulhall there. I went a third time, about 10 or
or 11 o'clock, and got my money. I saw there Mrs. Mut-
hall. The rest might base gone to bed.
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The magistrates here retired, for a short time. Shortly
after their return, Mr. Carson re-entered the room, and said
he had an application to make, namely, that two persons now
in the gaol, and who have been in the same_ place of confine-

moot with him, should be examined. He believed that they
would state to the magistrates that the prisoner had made
some admissions to them, which he considered very impor-
tant.

The Rev. Miles Formby said that they were, of course,bound

to receive all the legal testimony that might be brought for-
ward, and it was finally agreed, as the prisoner's attorney
was not•present, to take the examinations in chief, leaving it
open to the prisoner's attorney to cross-examine on the fol-

wing day.
Mr. Carson then called the following witnesses

James Acton being sworn, said, I am a prisoner here in
efault of paying a fine for assaulting a police officer. I have
,een confined in the same ward with the prisoner. I have
een in that ward since the 27th June last. I recollect the

prisoner being put into that ward. It was on an afternoon,
I think between a fortnight and three weeks ago. I was
with him some little that afternoon. I asked him what he

had come in for? He told me he was taken up on suspicion
of the murder of. Mr. Bibby. No more conversation passed

that evening. We had some conversation next day, In the
afternoon. Two more prisoners, Hilton and Griffiths, were
present. I sat close up to the prisoner, along by the wall.
Hilton sat close to me, and Griffiths on the other side of the
prisoner. He was asked by several of us what he was charg-
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ed with ? and he told us he was charged with the murder of
Mr. 13ibby4, basked him where• he worked ? and he said he
was wheelerlor the brickmen. He told us he had been at

the races on Thursday, with his wife, and a man and his
wife that he lodged with, and that hei got home by nine
o'clock, and was quite sober. He said they came together.
He said,-7" In the morning, when I got up, I came down

stairs, and the clock was striking four.- As .f
was lacing my
boot, after I came down stairs, Martin came into the house.
Martin told me he had been to a pit for a spade handle that
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had been broke on him by his (Martin's) fore'man." Witness
went on to say—Prisoner also said that a farmer's servant had
appeared against him, and had said that he had seen him go
from a pit, and go behind a barn. Witness asked the pri-
soner if he had to go by the pit to his work, and he said he
had. No further conversation took place that evening. On
the next day Griffiths and the prisoner and me were walking
in the yard together. I asked Cullen if any violent blows
were found on Mr. Bibby, and he said there were not. I

asked him if he was drowned in the pit, or whether he had
been murdered and thrown in the pit. He said--" He was
throttled and thrown into the pit." Griffiths asked him how
he knew he was ttrottled, and he said " How the devil do I
know ?" I asked him if he was dressed in the same clothes
when he went to his work in the field. He said be never
worked in these clothes. He said the trowsers he worked in
be had given to i.Nlartin, and that he had lent the trowsers he
had on to a young man in the field, and worked in his drawers.
He was asked either by me or Griffiths what was the reason
Martin was gone out of the way, and he said he could not
tell. He believed he had gone a shearing. We then asked
him where the other two men had gone, and he said he sup-
posed they had gone a shearing with Martin. We had no
further conversation with him on the subject of Mr. Bibby's
death until Friday last, when he came back from his last ex-
amination. A dozen or more of the prisoner's friends got
round the house, and several of them asked him how he had
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got ou, ante ne sale, -- un, my boys, now for the rope !"
Most of us said "We hope not." He said, " They are
bringing more and more against me every day." Griffiths
was present. He said that there was either a wheelwright
or a joiner brought against him, who had said that
he met him that very morning as he was going to his
work. He has since told me that he did not know the pit at
all. I never saw the prisoner until I saw him here. I am a
wheelwright by trade.
Thomas Hilton, another prisoner in the gall.—l am from
West Leigh, and am a silkweaver. I was imprisoned for
walking in a chartist 'procession. lum in the' same ward
with the prisoner. I recollect the prisoner being brought in.
I have had very little conversation with him. I have sat
with the prisoner and the last witness in the yard. Ido not
recollect that Griffiths was present. I don't know the hour
of the day. Acton sat on his left, lon the right of the pri-
soner. I did not hear Acton ask him any questions. I
don't remember hearing Mr. Bibby's death mentioned.
Something was said about a pit. The prisoner said he had to
go past that pit to his work. Acton and the prisoner were
conversing when I went up. The prisoner said he was inno-
cent of what was laid to his charge. This was after the dis-
course about the pit. I never had any conversation with the
prisoner relative to Mr. Bibby's death.
The witness Griffiths would have been called, but has been
discharged from the gaol, and was now in Chester.
Mr. Carson here intimated that he had no further evidence
then to offer, and it was for the magistrates to consider what
determination they should come to. It was, he added, but
justice to the person named Walker, whose name had fre-
quently been mentioned during the investigation, and of
whom the police had been in search, to state that he had
voluntarily given himself up, and from the satisfactory state-

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perfectly innocent,—a fact which to go poses) Looks a ladder and placed it against the w.
whichh got int bed again, and did not disco.
forth to the public. With reference to the mine of Cain
he had received a communication from Leicester, written by the monarningtheat" in hisofall he had dislocated his shoulder
an officer who had gone in search of him, and he expected Gloucester Journal.
another letter, or the officer and the man, to-morrow, (this Two brothers, natives of Holland, once entered into a con-
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day.) He was not, however, prepared to say that his I test to see who could smoke the greatest quantity of tobacco
testimony would go farther than afford some particulars as to , at a sitting ; and they continued their insane competition till
whether the prisoner was in the house on the Friday night, they both fell down in a state of apoplexy, from which they
or what were his movements there. With respect to the I never recovered—the one at his seventeenth, the other at his
testimony of the two prisoners fronithe gaol, whom they had eighteenth pipe.
just heard, he would only say that hehad learned they would Lisbon is no longer to be an admiral's station. Indeed,
speak to the admissions that had been detailed. lie thought nothing but a desire on the part of the British Government
(though he admitted that evidence was somewhat suspicious to favour a political partisan would have made it one so long.
from such a quarter), that it would be advisable
to lay it I Admiral Ommaney is to be re-called, and the expensive naval
before the magistrates so far as it went. He had heard also I establishment, which has been- kept rotting in the Tagus, to
that Griffith, who was in Warrington, could corroborate it. be applied to some more useful purpose. The station is for
It was therefore for them to consider whether they would the future to be placed under the command of a captain, who
remand the prisoner for a day longer. He thought the most will do quite as well, and not cost the country a third of the
grave part of the evidence this day was that which imputed money.—Standard.
to the prisoner the expression that
the deceased was throttled SIERRA LEONE.—By letters from Sierra Leone .. and then thrown in. middle of June we find that the yellow fever had again bro‘
ken out in its most malignant form, no less than nine deaths
Mr. Formby said, that unless Griffith could do more than
corroborate the evidence of this day, he thought it would notile having occurred within a few days. Mr. Teage, ordnance
affect his decision. They should proceed, indeed, on
Ad-t clerk, died on the 12th of June ,• Mr. Pyne, colonia'
supposition that what the witnesses had said.was true.
had or, on the 13th ; several of the Church Missionary
mitting that it were confirmed, the previous opinion they as also the wife of Mr. Dove, of the Wesleyan mi
formed would scarcely be affected. Doherty, the governor, had a severe attack of '
Mr. Carson said he was not aware that Griffiths could had decided him on returning home in the Lord Wellington,
state any new facts. which was to sail in July. Great discontent and a general
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still considered that it would be desirable if feeling of disgust prevailed in the colony from the system of
as.also Walker, if that could Cain could be brought forward, favouritism that existed, and placing military officers in act-
be doniwithin a short time, as they did not feel justified in I ing civil appointments, to the prejudice of the old officers of
detaining the prisoner beyond the next day,
the departments.—Correspondent of the Morning Post.

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