The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-10-25 00:00:00

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gers, make a foot•way along such fence, protected by a hand-
rail, The penaltifis as above. The exception being in cases
were tho _breadth of the street might allow theommission.—
Agreed to.

REGULATIONS FOR CARTERS.
e TOWN-CLERK Said it had been sug,gestedrin the
fol-
bve-law, that it the owner or driver of any cart having
,aras, back or tail boards, should not cause such tail or
iu-ouards to he sufficiently well screwed to prevent their rat-
...ng, should forfeit the sum of '2s. 6d. for the first offence, 5s
for the second, and 10s. for the third.
The TOWN-CLERK. It was suggested that this bye-law as it
stood there, should apply to all carts, waggons, .&c. plying for
hire, and not to private carts, waggons, &c.
Mr. Alderman BARCLAY inquired if any reason .was given
why this !restriction should only apply
.to carts, 8:c. plying for
hire.
Mr. Councillor BLACKRURNR said, he understood from Mr.
James Lawrence that this provision, if carried into effect, would
fall very heavily on the farmers, who bad the side-boards of
their carts loose, as they were not necessary in the country.
Mr. Councillor RATEIBONE thought they ought tb be amena-
ble as well as carts plying for hire.
The TOWN-CLERK thought it was not not this description of
cart which caused the nuisance, but the waterside carts. He
thought country carts might be excepted.
Councillor Dr. CARSON would not except them. .
Mr. Councillor DUNCAN, seconded by Mr. Alderman Raw-
don, moved that they be excepted.
On' the division, the majority was in favor of their being
excepted.
,Mr. Councillor JORDASI moved that the chains attached to
breWers' drays be also inserted in ttie bye-law.
Mr. Alderman B,RossN said they were a very serious nui-
' sance; but the committee had felt that they could hardly make
a bye-law, applicable to two or three carts, and leave out the
waterside carts.
The TowN-CLERK, on being applied to, said, if brewers could
adopt any means to lessen the nuisance, they ought to be corn-
pelted to do so.
Referred to the committee.
Mr. Councillor EARLE wanted to know if there was any bye-
law to prevent the carrying of ladders and poles, in such a po-
sitifin in a cart, as to cause danger to passengers.
The TOWN-CLERK said there was not; but the suggestion
might be referred to the committee.
The TOWN-CLERK said it would materially assist the com-
mittee if the council would give their opinion on' the stands to
be appropriated for carts plying for hire. The Towsr-CLERK
then read over a communication from Mr. DoWling, of the
Dock police, stating the situations best adapted for cart stand-

ings.
Mr. Alderman BROWN said they had endeavoured to adhere,
as far as practicable, to the same cartage rates as had formerly
been paid. The committee would wish to know whether the
rates, which had hitherto been acted upon, were in 'the opinion
of the council, fair and 'equitable rates between the merchant
and the carter.
The MAYOR enquired if any recommendation. had been made
to the committee regarding the rates.
Mr. Alderman BROWN, " None at all, so far." They had
inserted tinny new rates respecting the timber carriages.
Mr. Councillor JORDAN would suggest that the present rates
should be continued us nearly as possible.
Mr. Conncillor ItaTii BONE suggested that carters should he
paid according to the ❑umber of yards, the same as hackney
coaches; rather than by lengths. -If they got beyond the first
length a few yards, they had to pay for the second length, when
there was little additional inconvenience to the carter.

Mr. Alderman Bitowri thought disputes very seldom arose
upon that point. There was generally a cerwin agreement be-
tween the carters and their employers.
Mr. Councillor MAXWELL said that Irish hides were charged
more carting than other hides, which was hardly fair to "Old
Ireland." Ivory was also charged more than elephant's teeth.
The TOWN-CLERK said that it was proposed that the council
should have two copies of the rates given to them, previous to
the rates being amended. .
Mr. Alderman BROWN said. they had had a communication
frorn.some of the principal cart owners, with regard to altering
the rates, but their statements were not of sufficient moment to
induce them to alter their basis.
NUISANCES.
Mr. Councillor Mortncaorr said the committee had had a
memorial sent to them relative to a great nuisance which ex-
isted in Houghton-street, in the manufacture of chicoree. The
nuisance which it caused in that neighbourhood was such, that
the occupiers of the houses were obliged to close their windows,
and the innkeepers in Clayton-square would have their houses
deserted if it was not put a stop to. He had made inquiry into
it, and found that it caused a very great nuisance and a had
smell, which made people sick.
The memorial, setting forth the nuisance, and signed
individuals - by up-
wards of 20 respectable in the neighbourhood, was
then read over by the Town-clerk.
Mr. Councillor MORECROFT would suggest that a bye-law
should be made to meet this case. He believed that the general
bye-law for the suppression of nuisances in Vauxhall-road,
would not meet it, that being a bye-law for the suppression of
noxious gasses. lie would beg to move that the committee be
author iced to make such bye-law.
Mr. Councillor JORDAN seconded this resolution.
Mr. Alderman ROBINSON inquired if this offence was not in-
dictable in common law.
The ToWN-cLEux—" Yes, and so are the Vauxhall nuisan-

ces."
The motion was then agreed to.
Mr. Alderman BROWN said, with regard to the nuisances in
Vauxhall-road, the council were blamed for not pulling the
manufactories down. If parties would not bring sufficient evi-
dence before the magistrates for their suppression, it was not
the fault of the council. The magistrates were ready to act
upon the bye-law as soon as proper evidence was brought before
them.
Mr. Councillor JORDAN said the police had instructions, ou
the subject.

STEAM BOATS.
The TOWN-CLERK said they would now proceed to the bye-
laws relating to steam-,boats. By the act of 18.35 power was
given to the council to make such rules as they should think fit
for their regulation. The council could fine up to £5, but no
power of mitigation was given. The regulations relating to the
piers and slips belonging to the Dock Trustees would stand on
the same footing as the other piers, &c. The power vested in
the council did not enable them to make bye-laws for the rega-
lation of boats on the river generally, but only when approach-
ing the basins, piers; &c.
The first bye-law was—
" 1. That all steam-boats coming to or departing from any of
the said basins, piers, slips, or stairs, shall, after sunset and be-
fote sunrise, when or while within 200 yards from such basin,
pier. slip, or stair, carry a light aloft and forward, in some con-
spicuous place under the penalty of forfeiture, by the master
or person having the charge or command thereof, of the fine or'
sum of 10s. ; and for a second offence,. alleged and proved as
such, the fine,or sum of 20s. ; and for every offence being sub-
sequent to a second offence, and alleged and proved as. such, the
-fine or sum of 408,"
Mr. Alderman BUNN thought the fine too low.
Mr. Councillor BOLTON thought that the boats to which this
law would apply would be generally the boats going across to
Cheshire, and, in 19 cases out of 20, these boats di(thearry
He thought the fines, as they were, quite-high enough. ,
Mr. GOlMlcillOr RATH RONE differed entirely fruin r. Bolton.
He thought; where life was concerned, the fines ought to be
higher.
neglect.
Mr. Alderman LEATHOM perfectly agreed in that. 'When
five or-six steam-boats were crossing each way iu the dark, on
winterex p
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nrigi ghtS, partiest
to
h ownersdange danger
through hbrtgs
ho
theirght to be heavily fined for
It was then agreed that the flue should be increased to 205.,

405., and £5. , .
2. That no steam-boat shall remain at or off any of the
basins, piers, slips, and stairs adjoining the rivet Mersey, with-
out at least three competent persons being on board to attend
the same, under the penalty of forfeiture, by the master or 1),:n--
son having the charge or command thereocof the fine or sum
of 55.; and for a second offence, alleged and proved as such,
the fine or sum of 10s. ; and for every offence being subsequent
to a second offence, and alleged and proved as such, the fine or
sum of 205."---Agreed to.
" 3. That all steam-boats and other boats and vessels coming
to any of the said basins, piers, slips, or stairs, for the purpose
of landing any passengers or cargo, shall be entitled to the
preference of the landing place until discharged (except as here-
mat% er provided with regard to the landing of cattle at the slip
of the north end of George's Parade;) and all masters and
other persons having the charge or command of any such steam--
the landing boat or other
of and boat
the orvess
passengersel, shall, e
awithoutfrom
any e delay,chs tcompletesteam-boat or
other boat or vessel, and shall, immediately after such landing,
haul off the said steam-boat or other boat or vessel to such a dis-
tance, not being less than twenty yards from such basin, pier,
slip, or stairs. in order to enable other boats to discharge their
passengers and cargoes, tinder the penalty of forfeiture, by the
master or person having the charge or command thereof, of the
fine or sum of 10s.; and for a second offenc e, alleged and
proved as such, the fine or sum 0r205.; and for every offence
being subsequent to a second offence, and alleged and proved
as such, the fine or sum of 405." .
Mr. Councillor BOLTON suggested that a boating pas-
sengers should shove off, if required by the land
proper party.
Referred to the committee.
"4. That no master or other person having the charge or
command of any steam-boat, or other boat on vessel, shall per-
mit or suffer the same to remain at the slip at the north end of
the George's Parade, for. the purpose of landing or receiving
horses, cattle, merchandise, or other things on board at such
slip, for a longer space of time than ten minutes under the pe-
nalty of forfeiture, by the master or
command thereof, of the fine or sum of 10s.; 11E4 for a second
offence, alleged and proved as such, the tine or sum of 205.;
and for every offence being subsequent to a second Offence, and
person havin,) the chargor
alleged and proved as such, the fine or sum of 40s."--Agreed to.
a
That no mster ot othr erson having the charge or
command of any steam-boat. e
orp ether boat or vessel, usually
employed in carrying goods or passengers beyond the limits of
the port Of Liverpool, shall permit the same to ply, or to be or
remain at any pier, slip, or stairs, fer the purpose of landing or
receiving passengers or luggage, for a longer period of titne
than twenty minutes each voyage or trip under the penalty of
forfeiture, by the master or person having,the charge or com-
mand thereof, of the fine or sum of 205.; and for a second Of-
d
• fence, alleged and proved as such, the fine or sum of 405.; an
for every offence being subsequent to a second offence, and al-
leged and proved as such, the tine or sum of £5."
Mr. Alderman EVANS wanted to know if there would be an
exception in favour of his Majesty's packets ?
Mr. Councillor J. lloLsras thought they should have no
longer time allowed than any other packet.
Mr. Councillor Smut. should wish to know why they should
be excepted?
The Towsr-cLEnic thought they would except themselves.
They had no authority over them.
Mr. Councillor Sit isr. said, when his Majesty condescended
to make his vessels trade fur passengers, he aid not know why
,he should be excepted any more than any body else.
• Mr. Alderman EVANS would recommend the exception on
the ground of policy, for he believed the crown would not submit
to the interference, but would take the packets away. He
would move the exception of his Majesty's packets.
The MAYOR thought it had much better be so,
as no greater
misfortune could befit! the town than the removal of those
packets. and that had been attempted . •
Mr. Councillor BOLTON would move that these packets be
allowed to hello longer before the pier than any other beats,
They were a very great nuisance.
Mr. Alderman.BßOWN thought if they had no power to Coerce
them, it was veil- unwise Lo endeavour to do so. It appeared to
him that they had no power over them, and they had much
better not meddle with them.
Mr. Councillor BOLTON would give them no privilege which
they had not by law.
Mr. Councillor Stmt thought it was better to make a ge-
neral law. If they were not amenable, it was all very well.
But he thought they were amenable—that they were not the
property of the crown, but merely employed by7the post-office.
The MAYOR said they were noW'ttansferred to the Admiralty-
The bye-laws was then referred to the cotntnittee for recon-
sideration.
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6. "That in ease any boat or vessel, not being one usually
a
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ging
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passengers or cargo on board xvhen any other boat or vessel
shall arrive Gar the purpose of landing passengers or cargo, the
master or other person having the charge or command of such
first mentioned.hoat or vessel, shall not permit the &dine to re-
main for a longer period of :time at such basin, pier, slip, or
stairs, for the purpose of receiving such passengars or cargo,
after the arrival of the said other :boat or vessel, iintriediately, if
required, to the proper officer, under the penalty of forfeiture,
by the master or person having the charge or command thereof,
of the flue or sum of 55.; and for a- second offence, alleged and
proved as,such, the line or sum of 10s.; and for --every offence
'being subsequent to d second offence, and alleged and proved
as such, the tine or sum of 20s.''

Agreed to.
7. " That no master or other person having the charge or
command of any steam-boat' or other vessel, not being one
usually employed in carrying goods or passengers beyond the
port of Liverpool, shall permit the sanie to be or remain at any
basin, pier, slip; in stairs, beyond or longer than such reason-
able time (not exceeding twenty minutes) as shall be actually
requisite for the purpose of taking ou hoard the passengers and
clrgo, under the pengty of forfeiture, by the master or person
having the charge or command thereof, of the fine or sum of
55.; and for a second offence, alleged and proved as such, the
fine or sum of 10s.; And for every offence being subsequent to
'a second offence,. and alleged and proved as such, the fine or,
sum of 205."

Agreed to.
8. "That no master or other person having the charge or
command of any steam-boat, shall permit the same to lie or be
moored nearer than twenty yards from any basin, pier, slip, or
stairs, except whilst landing or taking on board passengers or
cargo, under the penalty of forfeiture,, by the master or person
having the charge or -command thereof, of the fine or sum of
10s. and for a second offence, alleged and proved as such, the,
-fine or sum of 205.; and for every offence being subsequent to
a second offence, and alleged and proved -as such, the fine or
sum of '
Mr. Conncillor BOLTON thought 50 yards enough.
Referred to the harbour master as to distance.
The 9th bye-law was struck out, relating to not permitting
horses, cattle, &c., landing ber,re the passengers.
10. •`'That no Taster or other person having the charge of
command of any steam-boat or other boat or vessel, shall per-
mit the same to take ground within the distance of fifteen yardi
scrim any basin, pier, slip, or stairs, u 44;ler the penalty of forfeit-
ure by the master or person having the command thereof, of
the fine or sum 'of 55.-; and for a second offence, alleged and
proved as: such, the fine or sum of 10s.; and for every offence
being subsequent to a second offence, and alleged and proved as
such, the- fine or sum of 205."
rilr.,Alderfnan LEATHom begged to propose that this bye-law
be referred in the same manner as to distance.
•

•
Agreed to. '
11. "That no boatman or other person employed in or about
any-steam-boat or other boat or vessel, shall, by any wilful, un-
necessary delay in the loading or discharging of the same, ob-
struct or hinder any other boat or vessel from loading or dis-
charging, under the penalty of forfeiture, by the inaste'r or per-
son having the charge or command thereof, of the fine or sum
of 10s. ; and for a second offence, alleged and proved as such,
the fine or sum of 20s. •• and for every offence being subsequent
to a second offence, and alleged and proved as such, the flue or
sum of 405."

Agreed to. -
Mr. Councillor. Lasser..t would suggest that, in foggy wea-
ther, steam-boats, on approaching the piers, should be made to
ring a bell.
Referred to the committee.
Mr. Councillor RATunoisr. would ask if there was no power
to compel steam-boats close to the pier to consume their smoke.
Referred to the committee.
Mr. Councillor EA rt La wanted to know if any thing had been
done towards abating the greatest nuisance in the town—the
landing piers.
Mr. Alderman LRATHOM said nothing could be done until
Captain Denham's, survey had been made, and until further ex-
amination had been made with regard to the banks. This was
under consideration, and would be acted upon as soon as could

be.
After some further desultory conversation, the Council ad,
journed till 12 o'clock on Wednesday.

PUBLIC IVIEETINGFOR*ERECTING A MUSIC HALL

On Saturday, a public meeting of the principal merchants,
and gentleman of the town, was held at the Court-room, in the
Session House, called by the Mayor, in answer to a requisition
most numerously and respectably signed. At two o'clock, the
hour of meeting, about 100 of the principle inhabitants of the
town were assembled, and shortly after the MayOr entered, and
took the chair, and was received with loud cheers.
The CHAIRMAN then said, with the object of the meeting he
believed they were all well acquainted, and he thought he need
not say that they would all agree when they had heard the
names of the requisition for convening the meeting called over,
that they could not recollect any requisition which had been so
numerously, and respectably signed. When, also, they con-
sidered the nature and the object of the meeting, they would
agree with him that there never was an occasion on which the
town of Liverpool was so unanimous. ( Hear.) They . had
heard a great deal for a great many years past of the rising
prosperity of the town of Liverpool, and he thought, that while,
at the same time, the wants of the town had been continually
increasing, there had been a great want of accommodation for
all those public purposes which were common to a large com-
munity He thought that they would agree with him that they
should not do their duty so long as they suffered such a blot on
their escutcheon to retnain. (Hear.) The immediate cause of
the meeting being called together had arisen out of the late
festival, from the great difficulty which had been found in pro-
viding a proper place for holding the oratorios in. That diffi-
cdlty had been so great that it was determined, if possible, to
avoid in future, any such inconveniences as had been lately ex-
perienced by the congregation of St. Peter's ; and, also for pro-
viding a place so large that it would be adapted for such
purposes as might be called for by the town at large, for public
meetings of every description. He felt that sacred music was
never so impressive as in a cathedral or church, though there
was souse difference of opinion on that question. At the same
time, it could not be denied, that the churches presided over by
the rectors, whose services had always been most readily af-
forded, (cheers) were not exactly fitted for 'this purpose.—
Neither was it fair that any clergyman should be called on toin-
convenience himself, and to be expelled from his church for weeks,
in order to snake room for the performance of an oratorio. lie
trusted, that the present occasion would give rise to a subscrip-
tion which should enable them to remove those conscientious
scruples which many had felt at appropriating churches for
oratorios. (Hear.) When they considered the great public
spirit of Manch6ster, and that probably the late festival would
give rise to a similar building there, and that Birmingham had
erected a building which was an ornament, not only to the
Own, but to the country, he trusted that when Liverpool was,
held up to the world as a thriving place, that a subscription
would be entered into, and a Plan for a building determined on,
which should be fit not only for oratorios, but all other public
purposes. He should be happy with his individual influence
to forward the object in the council; that a building Might be
erected which should be an ornament to the town, and useful
for general purposes. He should now call on the Town-clerk
to read over the names of the requisition.
The TowN-CLERK then read the 'requisition to the Mayor to
convene the meeting, Which was signed by about 200 of the
principal inhabitants of the town, the names of whom he read
over.
The MAvort said he had no doubt but that some gentleman
who had signed the requisition would propose some resolution.
The 11ev. RECTOR BROOKS then rose and was received with
cheers. He said he, had been requested by several gentlemen
to bring forward some resolution on this subject. Whilst he
regretted it had not fallen into abler hands, there was one cir-
cumstance which, perhaps, made him the fittest person to bring
forward a resolution on this subject, and that was the great in-
convenience he had himself been put to from the want of proper
accommodation for the festivals. (Hear.) The Mayor had said
quite truly, that' it was a very unpleasant thing to call on any
clergyman to site up his church, especially when-the congre-
gation was such a one as he had the happiness to preside over
—(hear)—and in order to accommodate the public to be obliged
to tarn their congregations abroad for several Sundays. His
church had now been tour Sundays vacant, owing to the altera-
tions in it for the festival. He Was one of those persons who
was of opinion that sacred music was best performed in a sacred
place, and he did confess, that the associations connected with
the music in such a place were inure gratifying to him than in
any other. They must, howeyer, endeavour to remedy the in-
conveniences to which they had been subjected, he thought the
churches ought not to be resorted to on another occasion. In
Manchester they had a very fine church for the purpose, but
they were there enabled to hold their oratorios without turning
out the congregation for a single day. He hoped that the pre-
sent endeavour to remedy the inconveniences they had met with
at the last festival would be crowned with success. It was true
that a great sum of money might be required for this purpose,
but, perhaps, when the town considered that there was not a
single room fitted for a public meeting unless they could get the
Mayor's permission to grant the Court-house, that that object
would be joined to it, and that a building would be erected in a
style of splendour which should do credit to the town at large.
He Would beg leave to move "that as it had been found that
great public Inconvenience had been experienced in the town
from the want of a room of sufficient extent for largo meetings,
that this meeting do now resolve, that measures be taken to
remedy this defect." (Cheers.)
Mr. THORNELY, M.P. said, since he had come into that room
he had been requested to second the resolution. For a great
length of time the inconvenience which the Rev. Rector had
stated had been felt in the town. They had been unable to hate
any festival without compelling the congregations of the Parish
Churches to go abroad for several weeks. And after all he
must say that the accommodation afforded in St. Peter's Church
was not such accommodation as ought to be afforded. The
question ought to have been taken up long before, but he thought
in
shouldr r ' instalmentsoAnasil
the present. time as auspicious a one as any former.period.
There was more wealth in the town. more intelligence, and, he
apprehended, more public.spirit. He apprehended that the de-
tail might be submitted to the committee, and that they would
think it right afterwards to call another public Meeting, and
then to submit what measures they thought desirable. He had
no doubt but that the funds would be raised. He thought it de-
sirable that the shares should not be heavy, so that the various
classes of the community might have an opportunity of sub-
scribing wit. He had much pleasure in seconding the motion
of the Rev. Rector Brooks.
The MAYOR then
.put the question to the meeting, and the
resolution was unanimously passed.
Mr. LANGTON said he had been desired to take charge of the
next resolution to embrace the pecuniary part of the business.
It had been thought expedient to raise the sum wanted in
shares of not too gr.eat a value, in order that every class
society in the town might have an opportunity of joining in the
subscription if they thought fit. The sum of £25 had been pro-
posed for each share, which it was proposed should be called for
tnittee should be formed for carrying this purpose into effect.
during the progress of the work, and that a coin-
Mr. Alderman BARCLAY seconded the resolution.
as bad been tiesiAitiN3s
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