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Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-07-13 00:00:00

Emptrial Vartianunt.

HOUSE OF LORDS—MONDAY.
The Benefices Plurality Bill was committed, some altera-
ions made, and the bill as amended was ordered to be printed.

POOR LAW (IRELAND) BILL.
The order of the day was then read for resuming the ad-
journed debate on the Irish Poor-law bill, and the amend-
ment proposed by Lord Ellenborough, on Friday last, to per-
mit the adjournment of the debate having been agreed to.
Viscount MELBOURNE moved, that the bill do now pass,
when the
Marquis of LONDONDERRY, feeling that the measure was
pregnant with evil, and not calculated to yield any advantage
to Ireland, begged leave to move, that the bill be rejected.
The Earl of Limerick, the Marquis of Clanricarde, and
the Earl of Mounteashel also opposed the bill.
Lord-Bfic..tic4ori-ma said he would take that_appartunity of
declaring his sincere and conscientious (although he believed
unavailing) objection to the measure.
Lord MELBOURNE said, the noble and learned lord had
laid great stress on the unpopularity of the measure, and
on the utter detestation in which it was held by all classes in
Ireland. Certainly a great number of petitions had been
presented against this bill, and it was opposed strongly by
the Irish gentry; but he doubted much that the poor would
have any objections to its provisions, if explained and fairly
represented. The noble and learned lord had said, that it
was a widely different measure from the English Poor-law
bill, on the merits of which all agreed; but the noble and
learned lord should not forget, that When the latter was being
passed, them was as great an outcry against it, and it was
equally unpopular with the present measure. (Hear, hear.)
He did not believe, as had been stated, that it would be un-
popular because it imposed an additionnl burden upon the
landlords. (Hear.) He was not by any means insensible
to some of the arguments which had been urged against it,
nor to the difficulties to be surmounted in carrying it into
execution; but there were still some objections in which he
could not concur. Mr. O'Connell had said, that Ireland was
too poor for a poor-law; the noble earl opposite had said,.
that the nubility and gentry of the country would be ruined
by the bill; others, and more particularly a noble lord who
had spoken that evening, had said, that the rate would not
be paid. Now, these were objections which he did not con-
sider sufficient to outweigh the advantages to be derived from
the present measure, which he called upon their lordships to
pass, convinced, that if prudently carried out, it would have
a most beneficial effect. He was of opinion, that affording
relief by other means than those of private charity, while it
would lead to the discouragement of vagrancy and mendi-
cancy, would not encroach or corrupt, or interfere with, those
habits of charity which belonged so much to the nature and
religion of the people of that country.
Lord PLUNKETT spoke in suppori of, and Lord RODEN in
opposition to, the bill.
Viscount GORT characterised the measure as a bill of pains
and penalties against the landed interest of Ireland, and one
,of the most okuoxiout and unjust bills' that was ever con-
.cocted.
Their lordships then divided on the question that the bill
do pass, when the numbers appeared: Content, present, 69;
proxies, 24; total, 93:—Not content, present, 23; proxies, 8;
total 31:—majority in favour of the bill, 62.
The several bills on the table were then advanced a stage
and the house adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY:

THR BRITISH LEGION.

Mr. BYNG brought up answer to the address, which
had been agreed to by this house on the 26th of June last,
praying that her Majesty would direct her ambassador at
Madrid to use his good offices with the Spanish government
in endeavouring to prevail upon them to settle the claims of
the officers of the British Legion. Her majesty was most
graciously pleased to direct accordingly.
NATIONAL LOAN COMPANY BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Mr. P.,
Tuomsori said he would oppose the third reading as govern-
ment was about to introduce a general measure upon the
subject. He trusted to be enabled shortly to give to the
house an opportunity of deciding upon the general principle.
The bill to which he referred would be placed in the hands
of hon. members to-morrow. Under these circumstances he
considered himself bound to do all he could to prevent the
passing of the present bill.
After a short discussion the house divided, and the third
reading was carried by a majority of 71.
In answer to a question, Lord PALMERSTON said that he
had not received any intelligence respecting the defeat of the
Persian troops.