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eipla that, became Roman Catholics of liberal principles
should be found to exercise their elective franchise honestly
and without restraint, . they are to be held Pp in this way to
public odium for it. Ido not think it fair, and lam glad to
find that not one in that gallery (pointing to the gallery oc-
cupied by some of Mr. O'Connell's friends) has responded
to the cheer which came from another part of the house. I
am sure they are of opinion that the man should be really
denounced who did what Mr. O'Connell said might be done
by some Roman Catholic in England—namely, to paint
" Judas" upon Sir John Gerard's gate because he voted for
Lord Egerton. (Hear, hear.) That is not what I call civil
and religious liberty ; and, so help me God ! I would not
have the representation of your city upon the terms of giv-
ing the slightest encouragement to such priuciples as these.
—Mr. West said he was heart and soul for perfect equality
between Irishmen and Englishmen, and he would be ashamed
of himself as an Irishman if he did not vote for perfect
equality of justice in Irish registration as well as on every
other measure putting Irishmen and Englishmen on an
equality. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) But he did not wish
to imply anything that would mislead the electors on this
point. It was extremely difficult to. answer an abstract
question. Mr. Reilly might be of opinion that the present
circumstances of England and Ireland were such as that the
same franchises which were in one could be applied to the
other in terms of perfect equality.• (Hear, hear.) He dif-
fered from Mr. Reilly in that posit►on. (" Hear," and dis-
approbation.) If a test such as the poor-law rating were
settled upon, or some mode whereby the present system of
swearing to a qualification were removed, and something
really satisfactory established, he would be for extending the
franchises in Ireland to every one who came within the
•range of that test. But if he had been in parliament he
would have voted against the bill of the government, and
would have voted for the bill brought in by Lord Stanley.
(Great cheers from the Conservatives, and continued groans
from the O'Connellites.)

Mr. REILLY, addres'sing the galleries—Though you vote
against him as a candidate, you must respect him as a man.
(Continued applause.)
EDWARD GROGAN, Esq. then came for Ward, and was
greeted with applause from the conservatives. After ex-
plaining the reasons which induced him to come forward, he
made some general remarks as to the measures be would ad-
vocate in parliament, when _ _ _

Mr. REILLY said, before Mr. Grogan sat down, he wished
to ask him two questions, to which he hoped he would reply.
In the first place, he wished to know what his opinions were
regarding the grant to Maynooth college, and respecting na-
t;onal education. If be were not an uprooter of Popery he
should ao nothing against Maynooth, and if he did not wish
to injure the people he should not vote against their educa-
tion.

Mr. GROGAN replied that, as an answer to the question
regarding education, he begged to state that there was a na-
tional school on his estate. (Loud cheers.) With respect
to the other question he would say, as he had said before
when asked, that he approved of the principle of Mr. Col-
quhoun's bill, by which the right of supervision was given to
the government, which contributed so largely to the funds of
the coliege, and thus enable them to guard, ifnecessary, against
the inculcation of seditious or improper principles in the es-
tablishment. Mr. Reilly then asked Mr. Grogan, " But will
you grant the money to the establishment ?" and Mr. Grogan
replied that he had met some elderly Roman Catholic priests,
who had been educated abroad, and who were admitted to
the tables of the gentry of all persuasions—these gentlemen
instructed the people to attend to their industrious pursuits,
to avoid agitating and inflammatory objects, and instructed
them in the way to better their condition here, and he hoped
hereafter. (Hear, hear.) Disturbances had lately increased
in many parts of Ireland, and it was thought by wiser and
older heads than his that the education of the Roman Catholic
priests at Maynooth was too limited and confined ; they
came from their districts to Maynooth, and thence they went
to their charge ; these disturbances were imagined by some
to be connected with them. It was not altogether fair to
impute to a system the faults of some iddividuals ; none of
us are perfect, but if it were so, he would not vote for the
continuance of the grant. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.)
He regretted that in this election a religious question had
ever been started. Instead of discussing or attending to
any of the vital and important matters now in the balance,
the whole burden of the proceedings had consisted in a per-
sonal attack on him, and a discussion of religious topics; he
was a Protestant, and could not he live in peace with others
although they were of different persuasions. (Hear, hear.)
He respected and loved his own faith, and while he did
not wish or aim at depriving any Roman Catholic
any of his rights, or depriving him of any of his privileges, he
was determined that they should not deprive him of any of
his. Mr. Grogan here wished to enter noon the question of
the large loaf ; but met with such continued interruption that
he was compelled to retire.

A show of hands was then called for, which was declared in
favour of O'Connell and Hutton. A poll was then demanded,
and the Court adjourned at six o'clock until to-morrow
morning.

The Dublin Evening Mail of last night gives the following
extract from a confidential communication addressed to the
editor :

"LIMERICK COUNTY—I have it from excellent authority,
that a letter reached Limerick on Friday from Mr. O'Connell,
stating that, 'that the game was running high against him in
Dublin, and that ' he feared he had no chance,' and requiring
to know ' in what state was Limerick county,' should he require
it ? On the receipt of this missive, the radicals, I under-
stand, decided that upon O'Connell's defeat in Dublin Mr.
Caleb Powell should leave the field, and allow him to fall
back upon this county. This may serve as an index to Dan.'s
despair,of winning the metropoks."