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inclinations, but would place hint where his services would be
more available.
The Mayon said the council bad heard both sides, and they,
perhaps, would come to a decision whether they would ex-
ruse Mr. Lawrence or not.
The Council then, by a large majority, decided that• Mr. Law-
rence should serve.
Mr. Councillor LETGIi obj coed to be on the watch commit-
tee, because he was on the paving, and sewerage committee, and
be was afraid the duties of the two would clash.
Mr. Councillor %VA E.NISLEY said it was on the contrary very
desirable to have on the watch committee a member who was
also on the paving committee.
Mr. Councillor It eetseoNsosaid he did not like to speak of
parties in that council-room, but a great deal had been said by
the opposite party respecting the management of the police,
and he thought that the conservatives should themselves have a
practical proof of that management by being placedon the com-
mittee.
Mr. Councillor SHAND said he was very haptiy to devote all
his spare time to the committee, but he was afraid that he would
be principally engaged with his duties as churchwarden, so as
to prevent him giving that attendance which was necessary.
Mr. Councillor SHAND was elected with this proviso.
Mr. Councillor Brune also begged to have his name with-
drawn. His various avocations in life would prevent his at-
tending to the duties, of which also he was thoroughly ignorant.
Mr. Councillor IletTisisorse said that was the most .extiaor-
clinary objection he had heard. Members who had volunteered
to come into the council ought not to urge that their private
business was to interfere with their publie duties.
"Mr. Councillor Blear said he had no ambition to come into
the council. If it was the will of the council that he should be
compelled to do the duties of this appointment—he must.
The MAYOR said that it was the law that all who; Caine into
that room must take a part of the business of the town.
Mr. Alderman EVANS said he could not help observing that'
this was not a very favourable specimen of the new members.
A laugh.) If they went by the example of the old members,
they would find that every one of them had made his private
:baseless subordinete. They had made great sacrifices of time,
and all of them had lost money, from the very nature of this.
And now, Mr. Bibby, and other members, were declaring their
inability to attend, and their incompetency, and still they would
'come into that council.
Mr. Bibby Wes then elected.
Mr. Alderman linelesost then moved, the whole of the mem-
bers haeing been elected seriatim, that the watch coinmittee
should be a cemtuittee fur the lighting and cleansing of the all
borough, and also for the lighting of the new borough, whiCh
was seconded by Mr. Councitler Currie, and adopted
COuncillor Chas. LAWRENCE said that he should certainly
now, when elected on this committee, endeavour to do his doh.
lApplause.) Atter the remarks made by Mr. Evaes mot Mr.
Itaitrimne, he could not but take upon himself to semi, that the
'resolutions of the meeting on Monday were so much at variative
with the opening of Mr. RobinsOn's speech and the proceedings
of that d my, that it was impossible for the council not to be aware
that they should wish to decline serving, after the manner in
which they had been treated on Alonday.
P'INA NCE COMMITTER.
Mr. Councillor Botermes in pursuance of a notice of motion.
rose to propose the appointment of the finance committee. He
said he need not dwell on the great imnortance of that body.—
In the formation of the list which he should have the honour to
submit to them, two principles had been acted upon. The first
'was, to give the preference to those whose attendance on the
last committee had been mast frequent and regular, and the
second was, to put on the committee so many of their new mem-
bers as would be a fair proportion to represent the two parties
into wb'ch the town was divided. lie should first read the
tames of these whose attendance had been most frequent—
Messrs. Birch, Bolton, Brown, J. Holmes, and H. Lawrence.
'The other members' wham he siiotild propose were Messrs,
Maxwell, M'Gregor, 'l'. Smith, Stuart, Currie, L. Heyworth,
Bibby, Blackburn.' Won, and Leigh.
Mr. Councillor LEIGH demurred to the appointment.
•Mr. Councilllor Breen begged to move Mr. Shand as an
amendment, which called forth a remark from Mr. Evans—that
if there were are one among them who could afford to gm.: up
a portion of his time, it was surely the richest man in Liverpool,
Mr. Councitlor BIRCH then withdrew his amendment, and
the whole of the abovementioned members were elected.
IMPROVEMENT CoMMITTEE.
Mr. Councillor HOPE ruse in pursuance of a notice to move
the appointment of the improvement committee. He said there
was no committee which was of more importance in its results
to the town than this. As last year their numbers were not to
extend beyond nine, they intended that those indiVideals who
had been most regular in their attendance shmild stand first on
the list this year; while they stemuld dispense with the services
of those two who had been most frequently absent; though in
doing so, they made no complaint against those individuals,
whose services, on the contrary, they regretted to lose. The
present Mayor was also taken off the list, as he would be a
member of the committee ex officio. The first name which ap-
peared was that. of their valued ex Mayor, Mr. W. W. Currie.
The names or the four who had most frequently attended were
Messrs. H. Holmes, Barclay, Hope, and Hereby. The others
proposed were Messrs. Booth, Shand, Jones, and 'Platt. The
above names were severally put, and the parties appointed.
TOWN ObES COMMITTEE.
COuheillol LAWRENCE HEY WORTH rose for the purpose
of naming the persons to be members of this committee, as fol-
lows:—Alessrs. Platt, Birch, Brown. James Heyworth, Leas
thoni, and Itainsden. The several names were put, and the
parties elected.
"Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH said, it had been stated
that gentlemen who had volunteered their services, and came
into that council, acted with a bad grace in declining the duties
which necessarily devolved on such an appointment. He was
one of those who did not solicit the honour of coming into the
council; and, therefore, the argument could not, with any great
force, come against himself. lint though he stood in rather an
unusual situation, he was perfectly aware that, having accepted
that appointment to which his constituents had elected him, he,
must take a share in the duties of the council ; and he should
not shrink from lending his services to this or any other com-
mittee, to any extent that his services would in any degree be
„ useful. But he 'hoped the multiplication of his duties would not
' be to such an extent as to dilute in a great degree the little
time, and talents, and energy lie had to devote to them.-( Hear.
There was one observation he had to state, that there seemed
to be that day a singular liberality in the infusion of some of
the new members into the honourable position of taking part
in the duties of committees. This had not been exactly the
principle laid down on Monday last, in regard to the Dock
Committee. If he could have seen the same spirit displayed on
that occasion, he would have deemed it as aleappy omen of the
spirit of unanimity with which this council was actuated—a
spirit which might-have made it, not only very pleasant to each
member, but might also have made their common, appointment
exceedingly beneficial to the town.
"Mr. Councilhir RATA:BONE and Mr. Alderman EVANS both
started up the same moment. The .111 A yon,-however, called on
Mr. Alderman EVANS. He said, Mr. fleyworth had again
alluded to the subject of the Dock Committee election, by re-
ferring to it as an example of party feeling in thecouncil, which
has the direction and choice of that committee. He begged he
might have the attention of the MAYOR, .without the light of
whose countenance he could nut get on. It happened on that
sluestion that an amendment had been moved on his name;
although he expected an amendment to be moved on other
names, it never once occurred to him that it would be moved on
his name. It created in his mind some little difficulty—it raised
a point of delicary—whether or not he could get up, and resist
an amendment which went to substitute another person for him-
self,. He referred to a friend at hand, in whose opinion awl
Judgment he had the greatest confidence; and he was of
°Pinion that he had better not refer to it ; and that was the reason
that he had lest that great opportunity of getting up, in order
to show the nature of the trust they were going to impose upon
Arlin, and to warn the council of what injury might be done by
party power, if they were elected into this, committee by corn_
bluing with others. After they had once elected them, they
evoii!d not be amenable to that council. He would have told
them that one of them, influencing others, might have combined
with the enemies of the council, who, whilst representing that
council, as they were at the time—the eery chairman that coil-
ducted the opposition of the Dock 'l'rust against them,ult a suiu
was,
call"
that very moment, representing. that opposition j
as Mr. Selomon was in care of the Town-ball,and held elle-
gianee to the corporate estate. lie used medical language—
there was a solution of continuity. He would say, witness what
he had done in getting the whole conversion ot\a
the corporate
duce?orporate
estate. What had the chairman of the. Dock
Alter having aided in making up a bill excluding the corpora-
tion from all participation in the Dock Trust--(l2e
trietitly).—he had the h-ads of the bill there, excluding e'li(t..uien:
freM tbas---and adding a clause which many might deem
.1
laced not to admit a member of the council—that the council
were not to be deemed qualified fur superintending Pca,k,
Trust. That was the only boon that was inteiidedttohlete con-
ceded to them! But the corporate interest in the corporate
property was to be entirely iltspensed with. That gentleman,
t Air: Lawrence) ought either to have abandoned hi: pos', or
he ought to have considered himself in honour bonnd to metn-
egin tee c eeierate interest. The heads of that bill had been
out a whale week before ever the corporation gut to look at
then. They were handed to every one, excepting the council,
who might have been supposed to have an interest in them.
There was au indecency in the thing. After that, the idea was
given up that they could exclude the council, and the trust
agreed to give theta a meetiug—not a mei:ling of one legally
ackitowledged body with another—(veheincutly)—they could
not get it. The corporation of Liverpool were deuied a meet-
ing wi h the dock committee of inauagetnent —except with gen-
tlemen coining &men a body that had no legal existence what 7
ever. Then. Observe, the effect of this. These gentleineu were
appointed by the committee of management in gild' a manlier
that they could never have come iuto the committee-room,
without undergoing the seusationthat they Here collie there to
do something to oppose the corporate members. Well, they
Caine there. Afterwards they acquainted Mr. Lawrence, the
chairman of the commiteeeelhat they had had the. first legal
advice—(the Attorney-General and others)—and then they
were given to understand (what was a new knit altogether)
they were afterwards told by Mr. Lawrence, " We me here be-
tween you and the rate-payers." Actually! between the cor-
poration who had named them, and the rate-payers. They.
were. nobody. They were not incorporated. They were not a
body', to put in the other scale, in order to weigh down the cor-
poration, But this was their position—they wanted au umpire
to decide between what was nut equal. The one who was ap-
pointed actually to serve the dock power and influence was
notnicated as ae,ainendinent to are. He met him linked with
the enemies of municipal reform, in the corridors of the House
of 'Commons, which he had tilled with attorneys and hostile wit-
nesses. lie found be had actually laid the war. lie had been
speaking of facts. He would now add his.opinion, that, if Mr.
Lawrence had acted as he ought to heve done, they should have
had no trouble.; If he had been a mere umpire, they should have
had no law-suit. They would have saved for the corporation
1.:3,01X1ar £l,OOO, and the same sum fur the dock trust. He
deelared that Mr. Lawience was the smile cause of the loss of
that money. tie thought it would have been better if his name
hmsd not been noticed; because it would have lommked as if the
council had acted in a party spirit. But it was his object to
show that the council could not have dune mitheiwise—thet it
was exceedingly improbable and impossible that they could en-
tertain a proposition that they might have a majority on the
conservative side. Ile weuld put it to them—could they nomi-
nate. a gentleman who had attempted to destroy the influence
of. the corporation ? if they had done su—if they had nomi-
nated him—what would have been the iesult? Why they
would have stultified themselves, if they had authorised and
sanctioned, and approved of all his conduct. Could anything
be more monstrous than this, if even the council was conserva-
tive? There were three matters which surprised him. He had
tie not the slightest personal antipathy to Al r. Lawrence; and lie
Bbelieved also that his private character was unimpeachable,
ut in his publi •character lie thought there was ample ground
em.
duck, committee.
wine mote so than in his conduct on,the
M r.
The 14AWRENCE then Lose—
Mr. AldermenTre'ed•
longer. vANS said he would only speak one word
The Ma vow said NIT- II he
could not eyworth had provoked the war, and
Mr. Alderman kvsNs therm n r•
ow‘hn,tuted.—Alr. Lawrence could
beiost
ae,mim4uriet_i ilthea'rti
ePsronvi.;k;question
,he had stated. Look at
wherein be sneers at 'us, and glories ip ins " he. is right." t—
our power. atteruet to shackle