The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

William Allanson.—l am a cabinetmaker, and live at
Birkenhead. I am a freeman of Liverpool, and can
sntrcely recollect whether I voted at the last election. I
rather think I did. I did vote for Mackenzie and Turner.
I am a carpenter by trade, and Was at that time in
business for myself at Kirkdale. At the time cthe
election I did the work of the Everton and Kirkdale
Committee. It was at the corner of Mersey-street,
Scot-
land road. It was a shoo. I assisted in building it up
as a committee-room. Mr. Roskell employed me. His
Christian name is Thos. Eleetwood. I saw him writing at
theecurniitee-room. I saw him the morning of the election.
The work I did was ss. 6d., and Mr. Roskell paid me.
Was paid two or three days after the election, near that
gentleman's shop door. I had been at work,altogeth
lour or five hours. Mr. Charles Henry Horsfall, I think,
also saw in the committee room. Ido not know posi-
tively that Mr. Horsfall's name is Charles ; it may be
George. T saw one or two more, but did not know them.
Roskell and Mr. Horsfall sat in the room writing.
Horsfall is erchant ;h is tall and thin. Ido not
know any other a permson named Hersfall. He lives some-
Where about Everton ; and, from his appearance, I would
take him to be between thirty and forty. I don't know
What business he carries on, nor if he has any partners.
By the CHAIRMAN: I have seen this Mr. Horsfall
!about Everton. He was first pointed out to me in a house
in Castle street, Kirkdale, about a fortnight before the
election- I would know him if I saw him. I have not
Been him in London. A person of the name of Whittle
and Mr- Webster were the parties who told me who Mr.
thHorsfall was the first time I saw him. Mr. Webster keeps
e Liver Inn. I have not seen Mr. Horsfall for a long
". The first time I was here I thought I saw him, but
it turned out to be another person.
It ob
ected to the further this
Witness Was that the identity of Mr. Hon:fallexamination had not been
established,
In reply to Mr. RODWELL, the witness remarked that
Mr. Horsfall was not unlike himself (Mr. Rodwell).
ti 11°"".ELL : Then I must not ask too many ques,
(Laughter.) But we shall see when he comes.
George Turner : I am a shoemaker, in Prussia-street,
and as a'neuseholder voted at the last election for Macken-
Yzie and Turner. 1 was canvassed for Mackenzie and
lirner, and I was canvassed for Cardwell and Ewart by
Mr. Evans, and promised them my vote. Mr. Evans is a
master tailor. A few days afterwards 1 applied to Mr.
Evans to give me something to do. He said he had
Liverpool,
for me. I knew Thomas Pearson, a printer, in
j'e was unnvassinz Tor Mackenzie and Turner.
I told him what I wanted, and he said if I voted for those
men he would find me something to do. On that condi-
tion I signed the requisition : it was in St. Paul's-square
I signed it. Jonas Gleave was the landlord of the house
I occupied. and Pearson told me that I should see Jonas
Gleave and vote with him. I was indebted to Gleave. at
that time about .£6, a little more than a quarter s rent.
When Pearson told me this I did not object to it. He
ttioulu,dume that if I went to Jonas Gleave's would be put
upon the book and employed, and that the money I
Was to receive for that employment was to go to the pay-
ment of the account which I owed to Jonas Gleave. That
cumeiesearidsation took place a short time before the election,
-... should te well paid for my trouble if I voted for
alackenzie and Turner. I saw Gleave a day or two after-
Wards at his own house, the Derby Arms, and was
Itlntroduced to him by Mr. Pearson, who told Gleave that
was !ny intention to vote for the other party, but that
ruld Persuade me over if they would find me some-
a 3 to do. 'He further explained how this was to go
gamst the rent which I owed him for my house. There
Were.o no snecified terms, but as to how r was to be em-
lot zact ‘Vt'S told that I was to be at May's public-house,
j__. nelagh-street, the day after, and to remain there for
ttrzetions and do what they thought proper. I went
hada troand remained till after the polling. Sometimes I
Ko
_ ..."' ieg cards
their an errand : voters came there and 1 gave them
flouring to do e andassisted so far as I could. I had
seven (ley%with canvassing. I was there -for six or
stness of the saw Gleave went on messages to the Swan, where I
ba • and various other partie engaged in the
to 141 election, "also went to the Derby Arms,
.Scott Russel, and to others.. On the'Saturday
earafteorio;hede
seil"tmn my account was settled. I had been
and-a h xor seven days. I was paid for two or two
in- sir daYs more than I was really employed. All I
rent; days
was 12s. 6d., and the rest went to pay the
rent I don't recollect how mach was set off against the
h. only a few weeks, the rent -each week amounting to
olio'cti'onl, wantedßussell among the rest. I wantedlOs. a-day,
ct ,thoeY objected to, but they made an allowance of a
aiouPle f days more, to make it up. I think they reckoned
ut 6s• a day. I don't remember what was the entire
amount of my remuneration.
Zwasss -examined : I wanted 10s. a-day for seven days.
ni employed about six days. I asked 105., but they
gel4.gave me 6s. a-day. I g0t125.,6d. in cash, and in my
hook credit was given for a sum which 'I don't just
remember._o I made out a bill for six days. and a was paid
six days. There was a word said about two extra
_o. Tas by Russell. I think Russell told me to charge 6s.
Y. lam not positive that I received more in cash
!nil;11.1:1 S 1 12s. 63.; it was that amount
within a few
aines. I was actively employed four days and a-half, or
somewhere about four, and-so 'I added two and made it
six- I was not in business that time. 'I had been a boot
and shoemaker. I have paid my rent months ago I was
distrained upon by Air. Cleave. The bailey's cam. e, and
I went to him and was a little angry, but did not tell him
he should smart for it, or thati would have my revenge--
not to my knowledge. i did threaten to • put him
put
intio
court for a few shillings he owed me: I did slot
into court. I never threatened him with anything
that
took place with reference to the Liverpool election. I
swear that I have not said a word to Jonas Gleave
With
reference to his conduct at the last general election.
Mr. R.ODWELL: Have you said so to anyone else
Witness : That is a different matter.
Mr. RODWELL : Who did you speak to about it ?
Witness : No, I never did.
Mr. RODWELL : Do Ton deny that you said to some
one, " I will be revenged upon the long fellow, and
snow him up when I go up- to London ?"
Witness : I never did.
Mr. RODWELL : Did you break your promise to Mr.
Cardwell and Mr. Evart foreZl 12s. 63. ?
Witness : I can't deny the fact.
RODWELL : How long was it before the election
When you promised your vote?
Witness : I signed the 'requisition on the -Sunday
morning.
Cross-examination contjaued: I have not been much
with the Reform party since-I voted at the election. I
dare say I have stated what took place at the election to
teveral parties. I went to York Buildings, in Liverpool.
pr. Evans, tailor, took me there. I can't tell any party
(0 whom I mentioned the affair before yesterday week.
lea3yve except in saying at one time that I would.put
Jura into the county court.
Hesketh lam a freeman. and at the last
Liverpool election voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I
nnome7ntallte Swan Inn, and I was there the night before the
to carry. I vvent of
.lo• I went to see if my son could get a colour
cause I knew it wasmy
and Turner'Osn. own accord. I went there be-
Mackenzie the side I wished to vote for,
Jon-
him, and
went to see if I could find
aneext72lrenainveg:
n t Jonas said
I saw him. and he told me to come down
Besides Gleave, J.caw other persons pre-
tne son was too young, being only
between 17 and 18. He told me that I was to come'
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,re to his house next morning to see whether my son
tuatchearrV the colours or not. I did go down, and took
naY aun with me. I got a colour for my son to carry, his
melloying been put down to carry a flag. lie said he
iWas Cnd me an easier job than carrying a colour. That
l'as on the nomination-day, and in the Derby Arms, the
there was, by Jonas Gleave. Besides Jonas Gleave
He
was, a man in the yard who put the names down.
plot them down in a small memorandum-book, and
he wrote them down while he was in the yard. He put
Own my name, and my son's also; at least when I gave
b!'na name
I:li he put down somethig in the book. I
ent to the stings in the procession.n :1 did not carry a
~,annex, although my son did. A great many were car-
'Yule° I Jonas Gleave gave me 35..6d.. for my son
Carr}l •ug the cc ours. He paid me it with his own hand.
(end my son Is. 63., and kept the rest to myself.
toanghter.) did not see anybody but Gleave present
ohe time when I was paid. lam a master roper, and
of for myself. I was at Jonas Gleave's on the morning
Z. the poiling..day.
I was promised nothing for my vote
/ an Person whatever.
Cross-examined : have have always voted Red for years.
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Mr
13voted "Red" since T'otter's
Deaiselection • AGET.: I have
got £l9 for voting " Red" at Effort and
Charles
el ection.
onth Sena _
in the list. To
e, e grow;ci' WaB called, and objected to by Mr.. James,
.rove that his name was not
the agen
iha°tl):letz.zet:. I
am 7.frtee.,l9:
of afterwards Liverpool, the
e eatry al°n for Turner and Mackenzie. I was employed
examined
n voteded b by
t
vi2lle Yard our on the day of the nomination. A man
h; that ,the Derby Arms put my name down. J
"44,- lay after the election by Jonas Gleave, at
Inelf et %a' ',east, in the lobby of the house. I was by
n3Y oat t'ine- The man -was not there who had put
reeuergazyihnotnetel
_s,en.or did I see the book. I did not see him
I know a public-house called the Bay
„; g° a deal n'undon-road kept by a man named Tracy.
"g!lit, but no,"egre- I know' Mr. John Buck Lloyd by
ileighboure-ib-eleaw him at that house. I have my own
The hiriry
"as then adjourned till neat morning.

The ; SATURDAY, JUNE 4.
eXerninaticloll uirY. WU resumed at eleven o'clock, by the
andnlaloeiexamined by Mr. BODKIN., who deposed:
44° 11111 ;t 11Prien 'ins
at the Liverpool and voted at the last. ele-
er 'Mackenzie and Tur'ner I saw Mr. Mackenzie
haps Ade hi Hotel before the polling day. It was, per-
Werit',;a„ few,. days or a week before. I was alone when.
ane ""• I went by myself. I did not communicate with
Ati,e_ne before I went. I saw Mr. Mackenzie on the
kt,,,i't
roor. I went up stairs, having been shown up by a
r.e • I was shown to a room where Mr. Mackenzie,.
b,„„_ Cooper, and Mr. Turner were. I shook hands with
"`a candid t and ~ , sir," was all that
Dasuo a es, Good morning,
Who .lie' There were some other gentlemen present, hut
root'ue..._Y. were I cannot say. A gentleman came in.t the
while I was there. I might have remained in
tbg';'",e'l about five or ten minutes. I knew Mr. Turner by
..ht, but never saw Mr. Mackenzie before. I had signed
rn.e requisition to them. They did not speak to me about
forY,vote, They came out with me. I was a canvasser
committee that ward, but I cannot say whether I was on the
or not. Imade a return to the ward com-
ti, ee, which met at the Roscoe Head. I could not tell
:tea trito7nees of the committee. There were many in the
11._ til• I can't say who was the chairman. Mr. Payne,
Y, was on it, and also Mr. Cooper, the same
thatnnl I have previously mentioned. I. could not swear
think Payne Payne was the chairman. The secretary, I
nti, was Mr. Cooper. I could not say that Mr. Gre.
or the acted as secretary. I could not say whether the one
the other t I have seen several gentlemen writing
the er ae en.
vre, Mr Cooper and Mr. Gregory among the rest. I
toad •
h„, em; returns, not every day, but every other day. I
`l4 a canvassing book. I know Mr. Culshaw by sight