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making au attempt at Mr. 'Whitfield's, and he must have a
sovereign too. He said he had made the attempt the night
before. This was on the night of the 21st October. The
meaning of " taking the card," is to show that the man who
has it is qualified to take a job as a member of the trade. I
told him he knew it was impossible for us to give him a sove-
reign, or any thing of the sort, as our money was very scarce.
He said it ought to be borrowed, for he had lost his great
coat in the attempt the night before, and Hulme had lost a
pair of shoes. He had mentioned Hulme's name before.
He said that Hulme and he had bored a hole through the
door, and put a quantity of powder through, and when Huime
was just upon the point of lighting the match, the watchman
came round the corner, and they had a scuffle. I did not give
him a card. He told me to go to my brother Henry, who was
the steward of the society, to ask for the card. I went ; I
then went back to Williams, and told him that my brother
said he should have neither card nor sovereign. He said he
hardly expected it, as he understood my brother Henry was
rather in liquor. I remember being in Prophet's beer-shop,
one night about the middle of November. I found John
Williams, John Hulme, Ralph Kenworthy, and Edward Da-
vies there. I believe nobody else' was in the room. I saw
Davies carry something out, wrapped in something which I
took to be a bag. He took it from the seat he had been
sitting upon. The whole four had been sitting upon the
same seat. Davies came back in a quarter of au hour. He
then spoke to me, but the other men could not hear what
he said. Two or three days after that, Williams told me
that Hulme and himself had been trying the instrument.
He said the instrument was a cannon made out of a pipe.
He said they had tried it three times that night, but it would
not go off, near Mr. Whitford's saw-pit. I remember being
at Beckwith's house the Saturday night before this : there
were there, me, Davies, Williams, and Hulme. I told
Hulme I had been told by a certain person in Ashton, that
he was not a map to be trusted with secrets belonging to the
sawyers. I told him that this man had told me that whilst
he was in Kirkdale, Williams had had to come down to him
to keep his tongue a little quiet. He said he had said nothing
of the sort, but that he had said the sawyers ought to look
upon him more respectfully, or something of the sort. If
recollect Williams had a sheet of paper in his side pocket,
and he wanted to get it out to give it to Davies, as there
were some good recipes in it, one particularly, to make good
lucifer matches. He gave it to Davies, and told him to take
care of it. Williams had some difficulty in getting it from
underneath a brown paper parcel, which he had in his pocket.
The parcel was a square one. On the sth December, about
three o'clock in the afternoon, I asked Williams to go with
me to Staleybridge. He said Job Arundel was to bring
him something from Oldham, and he should have been home
before that time. We walked on 40 or 50 yards, and then
Williams stopped again, and said, " I should be at home to
receive the parcel which Job Arundel is to bring me." I
said " very well," and at that moment Davies came up ; he
went with me, and Davies came back. The morning after
the murder, between 10 and 11 o'clock, I was at the King's
Head. Many sawyers were there. There was a meeting of
the club at 12 o clock, in the room up stairs. Edward
Davies, myself, John Williams, and some others were
there. Hulme was not there ;he is not a sawyer, but I
have seen him frequently at the King's Head. At that
meeting, after we had gone through our accounts, so
that everybody was satisfied, I said, " Would it not
he better to send a deputation to the masters ?" Some
doubted the utility of it, and some recommended it. Joseph
Marshall recommended the proposition, and said he should
like to know how many of their masters had got into the
black book? Williams said, in the end, "If nothing can be
done, I only want two or three good volunteers." I did not
remain in the room three minutes after that. I was taken
into custody that evening, and I have been in custody ever
since. I was in the police station with Davies, my brother
Henry, a man named Thompson, Williams, and another. I
heard Williams say " he should not like any splitting, and,
rather than any harm should come to little Jack, he would
hang like a pound of candles." I was afterwards taken to
Kirkdale, and I remember some conversation between Wil-
liams and Davies. Davies was talking with him very se-
riously : he said that a great many people would suffer—that
the innocent would suffer as well as the guilty. There had
been an allusion to the Glasgow cotton spinners. Williams
replied, " How the devil can they bring anybody in when
nobody knows but thee and me and little Jack ? "
Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS.—I have been arraigned
on the charge of conspiracy. I have been with Davies this
morning, and have had some conversations with him before.
It was four or five days after we were liberated from Kirkdale
that we gave evidence before the magistrates at Ashton-
under-Lyne. I was secretary to the society a little short of
six months, and a good while since I held the office of stew-
ard. Williams and myself have not been very intimate.

There is no rule of the society that would justify kite in giving
Williams money to commit a felony. I made very light of
it when he asked me, because I could scarcely believe it. It
was three o'clock in the afternoon when we got back to
Ashton-under-Lyne. Two other clubs held their meetings
in the room at the King's Head besides the sawyer's society.
The first information which I gave respecting this matter was
to Mr. Hall at his office. Davies was not present, but I had
seen him the same day. I did not then tell the same story as
I have told to .day, Newton apprehended me. I told him

I knew nothing al;Out the murder. I have not been told that
if I would tell all I should escape unhurt. Ido not expect
any thing for telling all; and no promise has been held out
to me to induce me to do so.
Mr. Whitfield was here recalled, and he said that on the
night of the 20th of October an attempt was made upon his
house. The door had been bored through, and a quantity
of powder put in. The watchman alarmed witness.
Cross-examined.—The powder was of a coarse kind, but
not so coarse as blasting powder.
_ Henry Hardwick, examined by Mr. Sergeant ATCHERLY.

lam a 'sawyer at Ashton. The Saturday night before the
murder happened I was at the King's Head. Williams was
there. He ordered Job Arundel to bring a pound of coarse
_ _

blasting powder from Oldham. Arundel Went., and he brought
2 lbs. of powder back. He gave me the powder, and I gave
it to Williams. I was at the club-house on the afternoon of
the day of the murder. Williams and several other persons
were there. A motion was made that a deputation should go
to the masters to see if they could compromise matters.

Williams said, " Oh, it's of no use, there only wants five or
six good volunteers to finish it." Witness was with Williams
in the Staleybridge lockups. I said, " I wonder if the man
was killed dead;" and Williams replied, "Why, man, there
might be five or six bullets into him, and all that I'm sorry
for is that there was not another done at another place." He
said, " It was intended that a coping stone should be taken
off the wall adjoining Mr.Goldthorp's yard, and one of these
things planted there and fired into Mr. Goldthorp's pit." I
was afterwards with Williams in the Liverpool lockups, and
I told him that Davies had been telling all that he knew. He
said, " Then Ido not care how soon lam dead." I said,
" Does he know anything that will criminate you?" He
said, " Aye, he knows as much as I do myself." I asked him
if he had not told Davies that it was Hulme who fired the
shot ; and he said, " Why, I might have let it slip in conver-
sation." I know the book produced. It is a memorandum
book that I kept of the sums I paid on account of the club.
Robert Newton took it from me when he apprehended me.
There is an entry in it of ss. Williams demanded that of
me for Hulme. I was ordered to pay it to him, and I did
so. I remember being in the lockups at Droylsden on the
Bth of January, half way between Manchester and Ashton. I
found the prisoner Hulme there. We were in the same place
there. When we were alone together he started a praying,
and wanted me to pray too. I made no reply. He then said,
" How can I stand before thee, 0 God, and ask for forgive-
ness, since I have taken life ?" He also added, " I have
taken what I cannot give." Sometime that night Newton
put Williams into the same cell. The following day they
both knelt down and prayed together. Hulme was the
speaker, and he said, " I pray thee, 0 God, to bless the widow
and the children that we have made fatherless." When I
was in Kirkdale about three weeks since, Hulme said Davies
had sworn to the wrong dates as to the time of making two
attempts, and he recollected remarking, if it was not made
then, it would be too late as the lamps would be lighted.
Cross-examined.-1 am a sawyer. I have been in prison
since the 11th of December. He asked me whether I knew
anything or the murder, and I told him I did not. I was in
the same yard at Kirkdale with Davies and my brother
Samuel. Nobody was present when Williams said four or
five bullets had gone into the man. I did not order any
powder myself ; but I am sure I heard Williams order Arun-
del to get it. Arundel gave it to me. Davies was not pre-
sent when the powder was ordered. I first told this story on
the 13th January at Ashton before the magistrates. I did
not tell the whole of what I have told to-day. I did not tell
them about the praying in the lockups.
By the JUDGE.—The lockup keeper was not in the room
when they were praying.
Cross-examination resumed.—l was not put in the lockups
as a spy. The entry for ss. was not written in October or
September. I don't know how many times I have talked to
Davies about this murder. We were in the workhouse at
Ashton two or three days together. I was not aware when
the prisoners were in the lockups that any body was listen-
ing. I was not told to listen. 1 leave it to the mercy of the
gentlemen whether I get off or not. I was present in Kirk-
dale when Hulme gave instructions to his attorney for his
defence, but I did not hear those instructions. I never sent
for an attorney myself. I did not bee Davies the day the
powder was brought from Oldham.
Re-examined.--I believe the entry of the ss. paid was
made the week after the 30th October. When I heard these
statements in the lockups I was a prisoner under charge my-
, self. _ _

Job Arundel, examined by Mr. BRANDT.---I am a sawyer.
I remember the day Cooper was shot. On the sth Decem-
ber I was sent from the King's Head, Ashton, to Oldham.
I went to Oldham and got 10s. for the club. I bought two
pounds of powder. When I started I understood I was to
get a pound and it would cost sixteen pence. It was to be
blasting powder. I found it to be only sevenpence a pound,
so I brought two pounds. I brought it back the same after-
noon and gave it to Henry Hardwick. The same evening I
went to the Feathers in Dukinfield. There were there Ed-
ward Davies and Samuel Hardwick. I saw Hulme there.
Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS.—RaIph Kenworthy
and Henry Hardwick ordered me to buy the powder. I
cannot say whether Davies was there. I did not see Wil-
liams there. I gave the powder to Henry Hardwick. It
was six o'clock when we were at the Feathers. We came
away from there with James Bowstead between seven and
eight o'clock.
Re-examined.—l was at the King's Head two or three
hours before I started, and I cannot remember all the peo-
ple who were there. The powder was tied up in a brown
paper parcel. I had a note to draw the money when I got to
Oldham. I took it to a man named John Clarke, who gave
me a paper, with which I went to the club-house and got the
money. I then paid for the powder with it, and' brought
the change back.
Thos. Prophet, examined by Mr. WORTLEY.—I keep a
beer-shop in Delamere-street, Ashton ; and since the turn-
out a great many of the sawyers have come to my house. I
have seen both the prisoners there, with Henry Hardwick
and others. I remember one night a man named Henry
Hodkinson being there with the two prisoners and two other
men whom I did not know. They were altogether at the
back of the door of the front room. The last time I saw
Hulmc there was the week before Cooper was murdered.
There were with him the Hardwicks and two others.

...----
Cross-examined.-1 am sure, upon my solemn oath, that
the two prisoners were there the night that Hodkinson was.
George Shede, examined by Mr. BRANDT.—I am a shoe-
maker at Ashton. On the night of the 18th November I
went into the last witness's house, and saw there the two
prisoners, Samuel Hardwick, and a man named Ralph,
whose other name I do not know. I saw something lying on
the form, wrapped up. It was rather thicker than my arm.
I believe that Williams sat at one end of it.
Thomas Hodkinson, examined by Mr. Sergeant ATCLIER-
LEY.—I am a clogger, and live in Ashton. On the night of
the 18th November I was in the back room at Thos. Pro-
phet's beer-shop. I went into the front room, and I saw
Williams, Henry Hardwick, and Davies there. I did not
sit down. They had a bundle with them, about three-quar-
ters of a yard long, and as thick as a man's thigh, under the
form. I then went into the back-room ; and Henry Hard-
wick, Williams, and Davis came there and staid till nine or
ten o'clock.
By the JUDGE.—I know it was the 18th, because a man
joined the teetotallers on the 26th, which was eight days
after I was in the house. I knew he joined on that day, be-
cause I had some conversation with him. It was on a
Wednesday.
Sarah Davies, examined by Mr. WORTLEY.—I am the
wife of Edward Davies. In November last I remember my
husband coming home on a Wednesday night. It was the
18th day of the month. He brought with him something
wrapped in a coarse piece of blanketting. It was at least
half a yard long. He took it up stairs, and when he had
got up I heard something bunzp upon the floor. It was a
heavy bump. My husband went out afterwards. The next
day I saw the thing he had brought in the night before. It
was under the bed. I tried to push it with the brush, but it
was heavy and I could not. It remained in our house till

Friday night, when Kenworthy fetched it away a little after
five o'clock. I gave my husband's pocket-book to Mr.
Newton, and he took the recipe-book produced out of it.
This happened when my husband was in custody.
Cross-examined.—My husband told me that what he had
brought was some tools which a workman would fetch away.
I have never said I did not know the man who fetched the
parcel away. On the afternoon of the murder my husband
came to his dinner about three o'clock. He did not stay
longer than a quarter of an hour. He came home again
between six and seven o'clock. It was not seven o'clock
when he came. His father came with him.
Ann Booth, examined by Mr. Sergeant ATcHERLEY.
am the wife of... Joseph Booth, who keeps a beer-shop in Dela-
mere-street. I know Edward Davies. I remember seeing
him, the two prisoners, Ralph Kenworthy, and Edward
Shaw there one Friday night in November. There was a
squabble among them about some pies which belonged to a
man who was selling them. This was the same day that a
man named Ashworth came into our house.
John Ashworth, captain of the watch at Ashton, proved,
that the day mentioned by the last witness, was the 20th of
November, as he was called in to quell the noise. Ile saw
Hulme the same night in the street, and charged him with
having stolen the man's pies, and Williams in the Stamford
Arms.

Cross-examined.—lt turned out that the pies were paid
for, and that Hulme had not stolen them.
James Bowstead, examined by Mr. WORTLEY. I am a
sawyer. On the sth November I was working for Mr. Dar-
went. Arundel and I went afterwards to the Feathers, when
I saw Davies and Hulme. We all came out together.
Hulme went home towards Dukinfield. I called with Arun-
del at a beer shop, where we remained a quarter of an hour.
I saw Hulme again as he was going to market, about half-
past seven. We went down Dukinfield-lane together. We
met Williams just below the lodge gates, between Dukin-
field and Ashton. Edward Davies and Samuel Hardwick then
came up, and Arundel and I went home. I was at work at
Darwent's on the night of the 11th December. I left off
work about seven o'clock. Hulme had been working there
that day. Ido not remember what time he went to his tea,
but I asked him, and he told me it was hardly six. When he
came he said " What, you are working yet." I cannot tell
how long the other men had been back. He left before me,
about an hour after he had come, after he had made two
shuttle boards. We went by Mr. Hindley's clock, as we
could hear it strike, which was usually a little before Ashton
church clock. It was ten minutes past seven by Mr. Hind-
ley's clock as I was going. I heard the Ashton clock strike
as we were going away, but I cannot tell what it struck.
Sarah Beckwith examined by Mr. BRANDT.-My father
keeps a public-house in Dukinfield. The Saturday before
the murder four persons came to our house about eight o'clock
in the evening. They went into the tap-room. The door
was closed four times, and I opened it that I might see that
nothing wrong was going on. I took them a pint of ale at
first; they were three-quarters of an hour in drinking it;
then I took them another pint. Two of them were sitting
on the form, and two on the table. One of the two who sat
upon the table was the prisoner. One of them on the form
had a paper in his hand. After I had taken the 2d pint the
door-way closed again, and I opened it.
Cross-examined.—The paper in the man's hand was like
a long sheet of letter paper.
Samuel Beckwith, father of the last witness, said that when
he came home he found four men in the tap-room. One of
them was Williams—he was not sure whether Hulme was
one—and the others were Hardwick and Davies. After
staying an hour they went away. Williams, Davies, and
one of the Hardwick's came back in twenty minutes after-
wards.

Cross-examined.—Davies appeared rather intoxicated.
William Dobson.—l am an excavator at Ashton-under.

Lyne. On the sth December I went into Beckwith's house
with a soldier. There were there Hulme, Williams, Davies,
and Hardwick ; Davies and Hulme were to my right.
Hulme was kneeling between Davies legs. He had with him
a basket : he was dressed in a round jacket.

Cross-examined.--I mean to swear that Hulme was there;
lilt at first I was rather in doubt of it.

James Whitehead.—l was landlord of the King's Head
n Ashton-under-Lyne in December. Hulme has been there
several times with Williams. He was there last on a Sunday

morning, tnree weeks or a fortnight before the murder, and
asked for a pint of beer which, he said, Williams authorised
him to get. I refused to give it to him. On the 11th De-
cember Williams was at my house, with Davies and the two

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Hardwicks. The latest time I saw him then was between 4
and a o'clock. That was the last time I saw him.
Cross-examined.—Other clubs met in the same room as
the sawyers' club. He passed the bar to go first, and Davies
went out with him.

Samuel Cowley said he was assistant overseer of Ashton

He confirmed the statement of Kenworthy having applied
to him to get his wife out of the Lunatic Asylum.
Ann Marshall.—l am the wife of Joseph Marshall. I
remember the day Cooper was shot. On that day I was at
Ralph Kenworthy's house, which is a quarter of a mile from
Mr. Whitfield's sawpit. Williams and Davies came in.
Ralph was at home. One of them said they wanted to speak
to him, and they all went out together. Ralph was out
about ten minutes : he then got his tea. I saw no more of
Williams or Davies.

Joseph Gill.—l was in the Ashton market-place on the
afternoon of the 11th December. I saw the prisoner Wil-
liams and Edward Davies pass through the market together.
Betty Travis.—l am a widow, and live at Ashton. On
the 11th December last, I was coming from Stayleybridge
to Ashton, when I saw Williams at half-past four in John
Kershaw's field. He was going towards his home. I
watched him go over the cut [canal]. This is rather more
than a quarter of a mile from Mr. Whitfield's saw-
yard. I went forward into the town, and passed Mr.
Whitfield's saw-yard. I do not know what time that would
be, hut it went half-past four when I was in Kershaw's field.
I heard a loud report about half an hour after I had passed
Whitfield's yard. I saw three men standing in the road, on
the same side as Whitfield's yard, but I do not know who

they are. One of them was very low and slender. I heard
the report exactly at 10 minutes before six o'clock by Ashton
church.

Cross-examined.--The last point at which I saw Williams
was by Mab Hole's swing-bridge, which is a good way from
Whitfield's saw-yard. The three men I saw near the yard
were outside of the yard. I did not know them. I have
known Williams thirteen years.

By the JUDGE.—Williams was not nne of the three men
I saw near Whitfield's sawpit.
Benjamin Revel.—l am a plasterer in Dukinfield. I re-
member the 11th December. I was standing at Wickergate,
from ten minutes to a quarter before six o'clock, with Ben-
jamin Booth, a man in my service. John Hulme, I think,
passed me there. I believe it was him. He had on a light-
coloured jean round jacket and light trowsers ; he was going
at a quick rate, between a run and a walk. He was coming
as it were from Dukinfield, and going towards Ashton. I
observed him from 20 to 30 yards.

Cross-examined.—l will not venture to swear it was
Hulme who passed me. The man I saw was by himself.
Benjamin Booth.—l am a plasterer, and work for the last
witness. The day this murder happened I was standing in
Wickergate with my master. About five minutes before that
time I heard a loud report from the direction of Mr. Whit-
field's. After a little time I saw John Hulme pass. I am
sure he is the man. He was dressed in a round jean fustian
jacket. He was coming up Scotland-street, and was going
towards the Old Cross. I knew him by the name of " Cast
Metal Jack." My master used the term as he was going
by. I have known him for nine years.
Cross-examined.--No man was with him. I have never
said there was. lam now in the employment of Mr. Revel.
I have heard about the £2OO reward offered in this case, but
Ido not expect to receive any of it. I went to the Police-
office on a Sunday morning, with a person named Groom,
and I saw the prisoner Hulme there. I had no business
there beyond going with Groom.
Re-examined.—After seeing " Cast Metal Jack" pass, I
saw James Kenworthy pass, and then Ralph Kenworthv.
Ralph Kenworthy went into the Church-yard. They both
came from Scotland-street. They all came from the same
direction.

Catherine Nicholson.—l live with my husband in Scur-
rah-buildings, about 100 yards from Whitfield's saw-yard.
On the night of the 11th December I heard a report. It was
a few minutes before six. I opened the door, and exclaimed
" Good God ! what's that ?"

William Marsden said.—l was out on the evening of the
11th of December, in Penny Meadow with Wm. Newton. It
was at ten minutes past six. I am not a sawyer, but I had
been sawing a plank up for Mr. Isaac Newton. Hulme had
told me I had better give it up, or I must take the conse-
quences. He spoke to me afterwards, that if I did not give
over sawing I must abide by the consequences. Williams
was in the same place on that occasion, but I do not think he
heard him.
Cross-examined.—l am quite sure Hulme was the man
who used this language to me. I never told it till last Sa-
turday. _ _

Francis Lee.—l am a sawyer, and live 20 yards from the pri-
soner Williams's house. On the evening the man was shot I
went to the canal for some water. The canal is fifty yards
from Williams's house. I met him between the towing-path
of the canal and his own house ; he was coming from to-
wards Ashton. This was about half-past five by Hindley's
clock.
Robt. Newton, examined by Mr. I3nANnT.—I am deputy-
constable of Ashton. I heard of the murder about twenty
minutes past six. I was then at the police-office, which is
500 yards from Mr. Whitfield's house. I went first to the
Swan Inn, where I saw the deceased lying. I then went in
search of Davies, in consequence of information I had re-
ceived, and upon my way to his house I met Williams. He
was wearing a topcoat. It must have been then about half-
past seven o'clock. I found Davies at home, and appre-
hended him. Williams and the two Hardwicks were after-
wards taken up and committed to Kirkdale on a charge of
conspiracy. On the 4th January, having received a letter
from Mr. Amos, I went over to Kirkdale, where Davis made
a statement to me. On the morning following I apprehended
Hulme, and told him he was charged with having discharged
the pipe at Benjamin Cooper. He said, " I was at Darnell's
at that time, working with Thomas and Edward. I was in
again from six to seven. There was a man there called John
Cooper, or Jack o' Tom's. Darnell's sawyers were at work
both when I went and came back from my baggin" [tea].
I took down in writing what he said. He said, " I went to

make two shuttleboards : it was half-past five when I was in
James Broadbent's : I had also a load and a half of coals to
get in that night." I read over to him what I had written,
and he made no objection to it. On the Bth of January I
went to Kirkdale again. Williams and Davies were libera-
ted on bail, and I apprehended them immediately after on
the charge of murder. I told them the charge. On the
way to Manchester Williams said, " I know nothing about
it, so help me God." He was committed on this charge on
the 21st January. In the railway train he made a statement
to me. Davies had before that been examined as a witness
in the presence of the prisoner. I took down what Wil-
liams had said. I wrote it down as soon as I had delivered
him into Kirkdale. He began, " Ned Davies has got him-
self nicely out of this job, and I suppose what I say will
make n• difference." I said, " I cannot make you any pro-
mise, but if you say anything I will state the same to the
magistrates as well as I can recollect."
Mr. WILKINS said he would take the Judge's opinion
whether there was not in these words an implied inducement
for the man to confess. _ .

The JUDGE held the objection valid.—The confession,
therefore, was not read.
Examination continued.—The recipe book produced I re-
ceived from Davies' wife.
The book was then put in, and the CLERK of the COURT
read from it a recipe to make lucifer matches. The word
i
" mark" was written at the top, just above the recipe, n
black-lead characters.
John Gatlev.—l am deputy-constable of Stalybridge. I
received the prisoner Williams from Newton on the 12th
December, and I told him he was charged with conspiracy,
and with the murder of one of Mr. Whitfield's men. I made
no promise or threat to him. He said that on the afternoon
of the murder he had been at the club-house from two to
half-past three o'clock, that he went home at half-past four,
and never went out of the house after.
Hannah Broadbent said she was the wife of James Broad-
bent, and that she lived at Dukinfield, four doors from
Hulme's house. The week before the murder, she saw
Williams come to Hulme's house. He went and tried the
door, and then went back again. He asked witness if she
knew where " Jack" was, and she replied that she could not
tell him. 'Williams had gone to Hulme's many a year.
Cross-examined.—Huline was at my house on the night
of the murder. At twenty minutes past five he came in and
asked me where his little boy was. He went away then.
There were some coals at his back door, but I do not know
whether he got them in. My house is about five minutes'
walk from Darnell's, but I do not know how far it is from
Whitfield's saw-pit.
Michael Heaton.—l am a sawyer. I lived in Manchester
in October. On the 31st of October I went to Atlton to
seek employment, and I went to Mr. Higginbothana's yard.