The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-10-01 00:00:00

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Gwousz.—The experienced grouse shooter well knows how
little it will avail him to attempt to find out the best part of
a moor, with which he is acquainted, by a distant coup d'ceil,
or by theory,. however plausible. On the same range the
packs will.he strongest and most numerous one year on the
top of thaAill, another on the brow, and a third on the flat
at the foot, and this often without any assignable reason. A
man who chooses his range by rule will be as likely to fix on
the worst,as tie best... The only plan, supposing Jae has ne-
glected to make Iranself acquainted with the ground before
the 12th of August; is to find out from the shepherds where
the packspre. most plentiful, and concert measures accord-
ingly. •It often happens that, if the hatching time is very
rainy, the best packs may be found on the brow of a hill,
from being less exposed to wet ; and in a dry sultry season,
the best places to range are the flats between the hills, or
even the tops; if dotted with " peat-hags." The very re 7
verse, however, may be the case if there are few mossy
springs, or.' peat hags," on the flat or top, and if the hill-
side is supplied with water for the young
packs by a constant
succession of little brooks. It isimpossible for a stranger
to find out.,--these minutiae without questioning thosewho are
in the habit of travelling,the hill, and who will be just as
likely to know what is of more consequence, viz., whre the
packs aretn be found in the greatest abundance. As to the
ground inynediately around him, a luau accustomed to the
moors can always tell whether it is likely.to harbour game;
and let him be ranging the top, the edge, the brow, or the
flat at the:Not-of the hill, if he is surrounded by alternate
patches of old and
young heather, interspersed with, nume-
roue green mossy '
ossy springs, or peat hags, "
half filled with
water, he is in-full
expectation of a point. lf, on the con-
trary,hare, and the heather buret, or if it be if the-grohnd is
growing id one unvarying crop of rank luxuriance, he looks
anxiously•for a break, and almost grudges the unflagging ex-
ertions• of his per,evering dogs ;
still he never gives up hope,
nod often finds game where be least expected it •—Co/
qu-
houn's MOoi. and the Loch._
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SETTLE LENT. OP THE NON-INTLI,IIIO, QUESTION.—«'e
e
11 base d
have heard ii. stated, that the plan of Sir Robert P l
ouro the the
settlement pf, the. church question, wd,
of the patron pre-
princiPle, recently so generally practise
seating a leet of six names, from which the
has proved ine congregation
may selecta mjnister. Unquestionably, this
many cases extremely beneficial in practice, and being already
almost 'eStabli,hed, could be easily made a statutory arrang:-
ment."At ,the ,saute time, the modification of patronage
which. IC considerable, and might reasonably be
made theironadof a demand for compensation on the part
of theiiri*oes, which, however, in any event, is far from
likely tei be iii*l put fotward.—Scotii4h .9tandard.

Sir B. VERE, in allusion to what had been said by Mr. M.
Gibson on a former night, relative to the dinner at Saxmund-
ham, at which it was alleged that the Queen had been in-
sulted by having her health drunk with coldness, while that
of the Queen Dowager was drunk with the greatest enthusi-
asm said that he had received a letter from the Earl of
Stradbroke, who had presided, apprising him that the state-
ment was devoid of all foundation.

Mr. GIBSON reiterated his assertion, and said that the man-
ner in which the Queen's health was received was not wily
cool, but there were actually hisses.
Sir B. VERE said he heard no hisses on the occasion.
After a few observations from Mr. EW ART and Sir E.
KERRISON, the matter dropped.

The house then resolved.ftself into a committee of ways
and means, and
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and said, as
the house had now passed all the votes which had been pro-
posed for the public service, it now became his duty to state
the means by which the present deficiency:in the revenue was
to be met. In doing this it would not be necesssary to go
into details, as those details had already been discussed, and
therefore he would briefly refer to the general result, and
state the means by which he proposed to equalise the revenue
with the expenditure ; or, in other words, to make up the
deficiency in the revenue. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") It ap-
peared that the deficiency in the revenue amounted to
£2,467,432, and therefore they were called upon to consider
how that deficiency could be made up, and the mode he pro-
posed he would shortly state. The house were already aware
of his intention to fund a number of Exchequer-bills, al-
though the unfunded debt was not of that amount to justify
any alarm. He had known much greater than at the present
moment. His first object was to fund two and a-half millions
of Exchequer-hills, which would give relief to the money
market, and at the same time reduce the high price of interest
paid by the public on these securities. He was happy to state
that the subscriptions already received had exceeded his ex-
pectations. The latest amount subscribed was £3,545,000.
which gave great relief to the public. 1,500,000 would now have
to be made up by parliament in the best manner they thought
proper, and he should submit a resolution on the subject.
He would dismiss any further details of the basis on which
the calcalations had been made. The result of the arrange-
ment was, that he was called on to point out to the house the
manner in which he thought it expedient to raise the remain-
ing sum. Supposing all the parties who had subscribed to
pay in Exchequer-bills, the whole amount would not exceed
£1,700,000. He need not say that it would be practicable to
provide for any deficiency by any arrangement that would
lead to increased taxation, and he would therefore recommend
a temporary expedient, which, although to be deprecated as
a permanent plan, could not et present be objected to by any
sensible man. He could not be presumptuous enough to lay
before them a system of taxation, to meet the deficiency of
several years. He, therefore, proposed to give the govern-
ment the option of selling Exchequer-bills, or a portion of
stock to raise the sum required—viz., two millions four
hundred thousand pounds. Under the circumstances, the
difficulty of disposing of Exchequer-bills with advantage
either to the government or the public, he believed it would be
least deranging to the monetary concerns of individuals to give
the public the discretionary power of selling either Exche-
quer-bills or stock. He therefore trusted that the house
would see the necessity and advantage of complying with the
proposition which he would submit, on condition that it
should be restricted to the sum required for the service of
the year. (Hear, hear.) He felt deep regret that he was
called on to add to the debt of the country. He lamented it
most deeply, and also that he was not making a specific pro-
vision for the debt so created. lie considered that questions
of taxation would be best considered by being deferred until
the whole question could be brought fully before the house.
As a general measure, he did not think that the principle of
providing in this way for a deficiency in revenue was defen-
sible ; but it would be his duty at no distant period to call
the attention of the house, not to a pla❑ for a temporary
expedient to meet the yearly expenditure, but to a general
measure, by which the income and expenditure might be
permanently equalised. (Hear, bear.)
The resolutions brought forward by the Chancellor of the
Exchequer were then read from the Chair.

The -Right Hon. F. T. BARING rose more to call the at-
tention of the house to the omission in the statement of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, rather than to any observations
which had fallen from him. He would omit any reference
to any of his (Mr. Baring's) calculations, as the right hon.
gentleman had done, and which it appeared after the lapse
of six months were found to be perfectly correct. He was
not satisfied with the explanation of the right honourable
gentleman, for he understood him to propose nominally to
fund five millions by raising two millions and a half of Ex-
chequer Bills to meet the public expenditure. He did not
wish to say anything that would encumber the public
service, but he must say that he did not think the
proposed plan likely to succeed. The right honourable
gentleman could neither know the amount funded, nor
the amount of money received, and as it appeared to
him the plan would not secure either object. With regard
to the amount of bonds funded, he must say to the right
honourable gentleman, don't make a proposition that you
are not sure of being accepted. In his opinion it would
have been much wiser for the right hon. gentleman to offer
such terms as would secure the successful operation of his
plan. The terms which he now offered were one-third less
than he had offered to fund bills on in 1830. After all they
had heard of the ruin of the country and their financial em-
barrassment, it was something consolatory to find the right
hon. gentleman, when he went to the money market, not in
a worse position than he was tell years ago. (Hear, hear,
from the ministerial benches.) One great objection to the
proposed method of raising the money was that it was not
open to the competition of the great money aristocracy. He
entirely agreed with the right hon. gentleman in the expedi-
ency of keeping under the amount of Exchequer bills, and
concurred with him in the propriety of retaining an option as
regarded the sale of stock.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended the
course he had pursued, and referred, as a precedent, to the
course pursued, under nearly similar circumstances, by Lord
Monteagle.

Mr. 'WILLIAMS contended that the difficulties of the
country could be met by a system of rigid economy, and
moved, as an amendment, "that it was expedient to add to
the funded debt of the country."

Dr. BOWRING adverted to the want of economy in the
collection of the revenue.

Colonel SIBTHORP said the opposition side of the house
was attempting to bully the Government, but they would
find it too strong for any such experiments.

Mr. HAWES resorted to all the former arguments used by
gentlemen on his side the house to prove that it was only
reasonable that Sir Robert Peel should state the principles
upon which his Government was to be conducted, and the
measures he contemplated, particularly as respected the corn
laws.

Mr. EWART and Mr. SCOTT followed in the same strain,
and dwelt upon the distress prevailing in the manufacturing
districts.

Sir R. PEEL said that hon. gentlemen opposite must not
deem him disrespectful if he still adhered to his resolution of
not entering upon the question of the corn laws. The right
hon. baronet read a communication which he had received
contradicting an instance of distress adduced by the hon.
member for Ashton, of a very extreme character, and said
that it behoved hon. members to be very cautious of the
correctness of such statements before they brought them
forward in that house. (Hear, hear.) He admitted the
existence of great distress, but it was most mischievous to
deal in exaggerated descriptions.

Lord PAIMERSTON said he would not object to the parti-
cular proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer for it
was the only resource, except that of voting fresh taxes,
which was left him after the rejection of the measures of the
late Government. The country would now see that the price
it had to pay for having the right hon. baronet in office was
the addition of 21 millions to the public debt.
Mr. C. Wool) condemned the course pursued by the Go-
vernment, and dwelt at some length upon the necessity of an
alteration of the corn laws, and said he was glad his noble
friend the member for North Lancashire had at his recent
election thrown overboard the last fallacy that was connected
with the corn laws—namely, the alleged connection between
the price of corn and the rate of wages. That fallacy could
not again be raised after it had been so explicitly repudiated
by his noble friend.

'The resolutions of the Chancellor of the Exchequer were
then agreed to, Mr. Williams not being able to put his
amendment owing to some point of form.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved that the house should resolve itself
into a committee of the whole house upon the Poor Law
Commission Bill.

Mr. YORKE moved that it should be an instruction to the
committee to insert a clause to the effect " that the commis-
sioners be not empowered to enforce indiscriminate separa-
tion between man and wife, and that in no case shall they
sanction or permit separation when the application for relief
shall be substantiated as arising from positive inability to
obtain work, or from physical infirmity, and not from idle-
ness, vice, or crime." The hon. member said he did not at
present contemplate a perfect remedy for the Poor Law
Amendment Act, but he thought they might enter upon this
slight amelioration without being chargeable with anything
like hasty or careless legislation. At present the wife of a
negro slave was in a better position than that of a British
pauper. . -

Sir J. GRAHAM said it was impossible to over-estimate
this subject; but if he entered into the discussion of the
Poor Law Amendment Act upon this motion, he could not
refuse to do so upon others ; and he should thus be carried
into details contrary to the intention of the government,
which was anxious to have time to consider the subject with
proper care and caution. (Cheers.) The government would
apply itself to the subject before next session of parliament,
with a view to remedy its effects, and they would be prepared
with a view to remedy its defects, and they would be pre-
pared with a measure to that effect in the course of that ses-
sion. He should, therefore, call upon the house not to dis-
cuss the Poor Law Act, but to confine itself to the question
whether it was right that the poor law commission should or
should not be renewed for a year.

Mr. S. WORTLEY supported the course pursued by the
Government; and, while he condemned the separation of
man and wife to the extent to which it was carried, he still
hoped the hon. member would withdraw his motion to a more
favourable opportunity. If the hon. gentleman should force
the resolution on, however repugnant it might he to his
wishes to give a vote which might appear to condemn a prin-
ciple to which he was friendly, he must, notwithstanding,
oppose the motion. He thought, however, that the unions
ought not to be extended into any new districts until the
general measure should have been discussed by the house.
Mr. V. SMITH said that it would have been more manly
for the government to have at once declared for how long a
period they meant to continue the poor law commission.
Sir li. PEEL said it was intimated to him, in the early part
of. the session, by the noble lord the member for the city of
London, that he intended to bring in a bill for the continu-
ance of the commission for one year, and he only now brought
forward that bill. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman should
had wasted uewo
have rohaedethhrimself acquainted with the opinions of his leader
before
away so much excellent indignation as he
Mr. S. juzvnisthis point. (Loud cheering.)
adopt measures to
hunting, shooting,sa.:d.there was time, if they gave up their
labouring classes of
Mr. PAKINGTON Ike:7lle%
napther recreations, to inquire into and
ameliorate the deplorable condition of the
the course proposed to be
pursued by Sir James'
and,l in reference to the par-
ticular motion before the houmse
but
remind hon. gentle-
men that not only in the unipolens'
wasb atdalso in every well regu-
ted of the separation
The bon. gentleman described the conduct of the
lated workhouse, the principle
the sues.

Sir H. FLEETWOOD thought that until the poor law act
should come under discussion all places into which the ope-
ration of the act had not extended should still remain free
from its introduction.

Mr. GRIMSDITCIiiIoped the hon. member for York would
not press his motion, though he believed the poor law act
was destructive of the social system, particularly iu populous
districts, and in maintaining it the house was doing, more
mischief than it was aware of.

Mr. WIGNEY said if the hon. member for York divided
the house upon the question he would vote with him.
Lord SANDON could not support the motion of the hon.
gentleman (Mr. Yorke), though he entertained very strong
opinions upon the poor law act, which he had expressed to
his constituents, and would be prepared again to express when
the proper occasion presented itself.
Mr. C. WOOD supported the course adopted by govern-
ment, and hoped the lion. member for York would withdraw
his amendment.

Mr. HARDY hoped that during the ensuing winter the se-
vere clauses of the poor law would not be enforced, and that
otit-door relief would he more generally extended.
Mr. WAKLEY said if hon. members, instead of being the
administrators of the law, were for a short time its victims,
they would form a different opinion of its provisions from that
which now seemed to possess them. He hoped the hon.
member for York would not divide the house, lest he should
commit hon. members againt the principle which he was so
anxious to advocate.

The house then divided, and Mr. Yorke's amendment was
negatived by a majority of 187 to 36.
The consideration of the main question was then post-
poned until the following day, when Mr. S. Crawford was to
bring forward his amendments.