The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1847-03-16 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY-A SCENL.

Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from
complaining of of distress, which the petitioners state-el-kr Law,
greatly aggravated by the constant influx of Irish _
who were sent over here to be supported by the agstivil.-_
the Irish landlords and proprietors, meantime, een
buting nothing for their support, and being, at tie Ammar
time, exempt from many of the taxes which ?lusaellie
grievously on England, such as the assessed tax,_.
income-tax, &c. This transmission of Irish pacts:am, tar-
England, the noble and learned lord observed, waa Rt 1140.-.-
ceeding systematically, and on a scale of collstandix.
increasing magnitude. Hundreds and hundreds we..,-
coming over daily : more than hundreds, in fact, forum:4c
the other day, and in one day, there landed at Lives-
no fewer than 3,100 of these wretched creatures, iitriewr,
an enquiry was made as to the means they possess
coming over at all, it turned out, from their own atittai,-
ment, that each pauper had been supplied by the Lima:-
lords of Ireland with 2s. 6d. to enable him to, in:,
England. (Hear, hear.) He (Lord Brougham) hack saw,- :
gested that the authorities of the towns thus imusellianiL,
had better give each pauper 2s. 6d. a piece to enable.. -him,
to go back again. (A laugh.)
The Earl of DEVON said there was one statement mocha
by the noble and learned lord, which, he would vent-am per
say, ought not to be made without good and substanina.
foundation. The noble and learned lord had stated it
that hundreds of poor persons were sent over to this e•-.0c14.--
try by the Irish landlords, receiving from them half-a-eravnw
a piece to enable them to come. (" Hear, hear," from
Brougham.) He (the Earl of Devon) did not behevethiam,
was a word of truth in that statement. (Hear, hear.)
was a reflection upon a large, and, as he believed, al, ,;T
respectable body of men ; and he believed it was a redc--
tion as unnecessary as it was unjust. He did not believe,:
the statement; and he must say that it was a state resant.
which never should have been made except upon.
authority than the noble and learned lord appeAzeckkar,
possess for it. He repeated that he did not believe it,
Lord BROUGH AM—My lords, 1 firmly believe it_ :11.7%
completely, and entirely, and conscientiously beligra iiky
and, my lords—
The Earl of DEVON—Does the noble lord rise- to- rope
or to explain ?
Lord BROUGHAM (with great vehemence)--Whicherat-
I please. (Sensation.)
The Earl of DEVON—According to the orders eiS tiick
house, the noble lord has a right to explain, but he hroa.
no right to speak in reply. If he persists I hall taloskaax
sense of the House upon it.
' The Earl of DEVON (advancing to the ministerial nvilar
of the table)—My lords, I stand upon your orders ! (CAP.--
fusion.) I rise to order! (Cries of • Order.") Mylectia.
I speak to order! (Renewed uproar.)
Lord BROUGHAM (at the opposition side, and
great vehemence)—l am speaking to order too. I ha,va Fu.
right to be heard. (Much confusion.)
The Earl of DEVON (amid the noise)—l shall tak..i
sense of the house.

Lord BROUGHAM—Very well; take the sense ...4;
house—take the sense of the house.

The Earl of DEVON—I shall. lam now speak ask
order.

Lord BROUGHAM—And I am speaking to order,...taaw,.. -
[Here there were very loud cries of " Order, order,7 hew.
all parts of the assembly, and the Earl of Devon. re-t
to his place.] Have I not a right to interrupt a perearma-:
who is speaking to order, in order that I might speai . lit:
order myself? Have I not a right, having moved' :-
this petition do lie upon your table—have I not a rialiti,to -
reply to any one who has chosen to discuss that tnoWaax.?.::
Or, even if you deny me that, will the noble and learnaA:
—no, not learned---will the noble lord tell me that a3a`
not be within-the limits of the strictest rules of Taw
house in now moving that that petition be referred:to ea_
select committee ? When he says that I have no right
speak except in explanation, he leaves me at least a rift*._
to explain, and how does he know that I am not
explain ? When he rises in his place, and tells yaw isa
does not believe a word that I have said, I have a right-tar-
say, and Ido say, that what I have said is true r Ire-
it ! I re-assert it I tell the noble lord it is true, =tisk
false; as he declares it ! I tell him that I believe every/final-
of it: that I have perfectly good foundation for it :
have a right to believe every word of it, and that I do:ba--
I i eve it, do re-assert it, and do re-state it ! (These exPressinagr
were uttered with great vehemence, and amid the prefo-azi
silence of the house.) A more offensive mode of express-ing--
disbelief I never heard in either house of parliament I Itza
says there is not a word of truth in what I say I tc-Rlinr....
that my belief is that every tittle of it is strictly, corms-bile", _
and literally true. I never stated that every one of t
3,100 paupers came over here with half-a-crownrr.jaar' -
pocket, given him by the landlords. Understanding. ago.
case, as I always do, I limited, restrained, and resb...i
my allusion to a part of the number ;-and, I appeal-Ito,
your lordship's recollection as to what I said. My W—
maim came from persons in Liverpool, who. ha-o
-t- ...I%*-
amined these emigrants.
The Earl of DESART.—My lords,-I do not rise saretak
to refer to those statements as to ask the noble and -
ed lord to state to us with what object he persists in Teda,,,--
ing these incessant and repeated attacks ? Are they znaarr-
upon us as a body, ,or are they directed at increridtaia?'
For what purpose does he night after night irritate an br
these stings ; -and oblige us to weary your lordships list*,
.our replies, using, as we are forced to do, the uninteseat—
ing weapons of defence against his unexampled powers
sarcasm and attack ? If, my lords, these assaults are mazer
wantonness, I beg the noble lord to chose a more
subject ; if they are made on substantial foundation ank:
with good object, I beg him to give us fair notice alai*,
intentions, in order that from time to time we may-pre.---
' pare ourselves for defence : but if they are made witins*--
foundation, or from mere spleen, then I beg the noble
and learned lord, to reflect that, great and varied -as any,
his abilities, even his sarcasms cannot interest your
ships when so often repeated, and that ultimately *sr.
will sink into contempt before the power and intluenctne
truth. (Very much cheering).
Lord BROUGHAM.—A question being put to me, I sin— -
pose that I am allowed by the strictest forms of yaw.
lordships' house, interpreted though they may be 'ay the,
noble earl opposite, to rise in my place for the purpesa•atiP
reply. lam asked why I make these attacks. Acinaittiair.
them, for the sake of the argument, to be attacks,krepar
that I make them for one object, and one object ©a
namely, to endeavour toawaken the Irish landlords ant:
the Irish people at large to the absolute necessity of pre,-
viding for the support of their own poor, and not of kira,„
ing to England for the support of the Irish people:.
upon the assumption that I fail in this object, I have:
second, I wish to impress upon your lordships, and w
the government, and the public, the necessity of abstain.—
ing from the wild and visionary attempt, for wild anik.:
visionary it is, of attempting to support the entire popes__ -
tion of Ireland. -

ROBBERY BY A POLICE CONSTABLE.—OR Thum:Dun,
Police Constable William Dixon, No. 615, was bruagAik_ .
before Mr. Rushton, and committed for trial on a ikulltk.
of having robbed a man named Snicatham, whilst
state of intoxication. It appeared that the proseet
and the prisoner had been drinking together at Wave ....
tree,. whilst the latter was on duty, and the priansuir„,
instead of protecting, robbed the prosecutor. The AW
deuce being deemed conclusive, the prisoner was .
niitted for trial.

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