The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1840-10-06 00:00:00

'—l cannot tell you. I

When did you get the money to pay your rates
day in July.

'—The last

Did you get the money from the same place where
the paper ?—Yes.

ou got

Did you get the whole of the money from the same place
where you got the paper ?—I think it was.
At that time you did not pay the rates with your own
money ?—No.

Since that time you have paid part of the money back

Yes.
How much
remainder.
When did you pay the shilling ?—On Saturday last.
Who came to you for that shilling ?—No person.
Was it in consequence of what somebody said to you that
you paid the shilling ?—Not altogether—l had other reasons.
Was that part of the reason ?—I do not know whether it
was or not.
How did you pay this shilling back -
appointed to receive it.
Where ?—At a house in Scotland-road.
Can't you tell what it was ?—lt was a public-house.
What made you go to pay the shilling ?—I do not know.
What induced you to pay that shilling back ?—I thought it
was nearly time to pay it.
Do you mean to swear you were prompted to that by your
own mind alone ?—No.
Was it in consequence of something that was said to you
that you paid the shilling ?—lt was in consequence of some-
thing that I heard.
When was that something said ?-1 do not know.
What is your belief?—lt was either upon Saturday or
Friday.
You say you paid it to the man that was appointed to re-
ceive it ?—I thought so.
What made you go to the house in Scotland-road to pay
that shilling ?—I understood the man was to receive it there.
Cannot you tell what house it was ?—I am not quite sure.
How came you to know that at that public-house in
Scotland-road there was a person to receive the money ?-1
understood that before the Friday or Saturday.
Whereabouts is the house ?—lt is in Scotland-road or
Scotland-place.
Well, if that house was appointed before Friday or Satur-
day you can tell us where it is ?—lt is in either one or the
other.
Can you tell us what house it is next to ?—I cannot.
Can you tell us what house it is near ?—There is Richmond-
row leading out of it.
What is the sign of the house
bage. (Laughter.)
You are not a tailor, are you
by trade.
Then Ido not wonder at your going there. Have you
often been at the sign of the cabbage to pass your evenings ?
Not often.
How often, about half a dozen times ?—I cannot say.
The claimant was further cross-examined, from which it
appeared pretty clear that his rate had been paid by the
Protector Society, and upon the assessments and tenancy of
his premises.
The collector stated that the rates had been paid not in
July as the witness stated, but on the 31st of August.
Mr. WILKINS made an able speech against the vote, in
which he pointed out a variety of contradictions in the tes-
timony of the witness. After Mr. Jamits had replied, the
court held that the vote was good, Mr WRIGHT dissenting
on the ground that a fraud upon the spirit of the act of par-
liament had been proved.
Michael G. Cosgrove, house Back Portland-street, another
" Protector," was opposed by Mr. WILKINS.
Where, asked the learned counsel, did you get the, money
from to pay your rates ?—I got it from a particular friend.
Who is your " particular friend ?"—That is my business.
The MAYOR called upon the witness to answer the ques-
tion.
Mr. WILKINS.—Who is the particular friend that lent you
the money ?—I cannot tell you who he is.
Do you mean to tell the court you do not know who he is?
—I do mean to tell the court so.
Mr. HARVEY.—My mind is made up. We shall r eject
this vote.—Vote struck out.
Patrick Cavanagh, house Bostock-street, another " Pro-
tector," had his vote struck out, it appearing that he had , clot
been properly rated.
William Carrol, a " Protector," claiming for a house in
Chadwick-street, was opposed by Mr. WILKINS. It appea r-
ed that there had been sufficient residence ; but that befog .e
the rates were paid, the name in the rate-book was inserte,
as William M'Ardle. This name, however, was altered by
the overseers on the application of Carrol, when he paid his
rates to his own name.
Mr. WILKINS now contended that the vote was bad, on
the ground that the court had no power to alter the rate-
book, or consider any thing in it as a mistake. If Carrol
were to appeal on such a ground, for instance, the rate would
o
be quashed. He submitted, therefore, that there was n
proof that Carrol was rated.
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conclusive, and that evidence might be gone into to pi !one
that it was ambiguous, and might be altered.
The-MAYOR concurred with Mr. Harvey.
aa, Carroll was then cross-examined by Mr. wu,m,

—I paid a shilling, and I intend to pay the

—To a man that was

'—lt is the sign of the cab-

'—Yes, I am a tailor, sir,

He had paid 7s. 9d. for his rates. Took a paper to the
overseer's office. Got the paper and the money from a pla
in Back Castle-street. Had not paid any of the mon,
back ; and had given the receipt to the place in Back Castl
street. Had never paid any rates before. Did not know
party from whom he received th
cause he had been informed MOE _
occasions. Gave no receipt for it. When he got the mor

)erty to do wh

)t some directions abo••'
Felt himself at
Vote allowed

money.—
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who constituted this court

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assistance of the two
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Mr. JAAINS said the
and he did not like giving an opinion without consideratiol
Mr. WILKINS quoted the ninth section of the
Act, which appointed the mayor and two asse,--
the lists. From the language of this
the mayor and the two asses.
--
and judges of the court
Mr. WRIGHT

itimated that
Mr. JAMES declined to giv(

that the question requir
pies of law, and of the r
from the mere readinr

The Court intimated ti
John Callum, of Scot
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winch, themselves, might have a tendency to prove that the
witness was not the witness of truth. , Mr. Wilkins then
cross-examined the witness as follows :—Where did you get
the money from ? I got it from Back Castle-street. Did
you get it as a loan or as a gift? As a loan. Do you know
the party from whom you got it? Ido not. Did you get a
receipt? Yes. 'Where did you get it? From the parish
office? And you left it with those from whom you got the
money ? lam not going to answer that. Did you, in fact,
leave the receipt with them ? I might have done that. You
got it back from them to-day ? Yes. The vote was then
allowed.

Many other cases of the like description were heard. In
all of them the Protector Society figured as the payers of the
rates. Of course, in accordance with the principle laid down
by the Court in an early stage of its proceedings, the votes
were allowed. The court adjourned shortly after eight o'clock.

WARD MEETINGS.

PITT-STREET WARD

A very numerously attended meeting of the electors of
Pitt-street Ward took place last evening, for the purpose of
being introduced to Thomas Toulmin, Esq., and to adopt
measures to ensure his return to the town-council at the en-
suing election. Mr. Watkin Williams, the chairman of th(
committee, took the chair. -aid he w'
many present, and it der
were so liberally given.

They were trul
I showed that

s glad to see so

came from the h
ready to go to the charge on the
man briefly drew attention to tl
JAMES ASPINALL, Esq.,

:ers, and

present were

November. The chair-
jects of the meeting.

cheers) rose to propose the first resol

eted with-loud
He said that he

was gum tA) see so many present, ana not a tew blue jackets
amongst them. He had to thank the electors in that ward
for the kindness which they had shown him whenever he ap-
peared amongst them ;—he had receive
any other man in the town. He had 1

more than perhaps

ill, and had been recommended by his medical adviser to ab-
stain from any excitement, as the consequence might be
most serious to his health. Under these circumstances he
was compelled to reject the honour of being put in nomina-
tion for the ward, and he thought it was his duty individually
and collectively to thank them. He would not look back to
the time when the municipal bill was passed—he would only
revert to the last three months, during which greater events
had taken place in this town than in any other town in the
kingdom. When the municipal bill was passed, the greatest
blessings were promised them ;—since that time principles of
so republican a tendency had been promulgated, that an ho-
nest Conservative dare not hold up his head—nay, lie scarce
dared to think—but the time had arrived when Pitt-street
ward must wipe off the stigma that had been attached to it.
In alluding to the present representative of this ward, he
would not say one word against him, either as to his conduct
as the father of a family, for that was unexceptionable, or
in any of his domestic relations, for in them he was highly
esteemed ; he would not go into domestic life, but he objected
to him on the grounds of protestantism (cheers) and con-
servatism. (Cheers.) The speaker then ably alluded to
O'Connell's patronage of the town-council, and his having
eulogised Mr. Rathbone and Sir Joshua Wahnsley, as the
great stars in the political world of Liverpool. (Loud
laughter.) The speaker then alluded to the conduct of the

town-council, and the political tendency of all its measures.
He then begged the electors to look at the state of the town
expenditure, which would be published this day, in which
it will be seen that the revenues were £120,000, out
of which £70,000 arose from the town dues alone. Mr.

James Aspinall drew to the recollection of the meeting
that when the old corporation were in office Messrs.
Bolton, Jevons, and others, cried aloud most lustily for the
abolition of the town dues ; but that now there was not a
voice raised on the subject. He showed before that £30,000.
of that income had been paid to the servants of the corpora-
tion. (Oh !Oh !) The speaker then

Lted out the g

ed upon ti

. ,
house question, and
present town council, and the

warehouse owners, who h

a fair competition. 'The whole
purpose of gaining patronage. The st
the introduction of new voters—the cellar (
stated the following facts, that
had been put on the r
land, 51; Vauxhall,
Castle-street, 18 ; St. Peter's
George's, 95 ; Rodney-street,
street, 16 ; St. Ann's, 59 ; which made a total -Of it')
then alluded to the conduct of the radicals to the old free-
men, affirming if these cellar constituents were fit to vote,
an insult of the grossest nature had been paid to the
blue jackets and freemen—it was a political robbery of their

; was a job for the
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rights. After some other observations, which drew down
loud applause, Mr. Aspinall proposed Mr. Toulmin to the
meeting as their representative, and warmly recommended
him to their notice. He had known him long, and would
pledge his reputation for his fitness for the office of councillor
for that ward. He then proposed the first resolution—(see

our advertising columns.)
Mr. Tnos. RIMMEI briefly second
Mr. ANnEEsoN, in proposing the next resolution,'eulo-
gised Mr. Toulmin, having known him long, and as one who
had benefited the town in every way possible.
Mr. RoosE seconded the motion.

resolution

Mr. TOULMIN then addressed the meeti
with loud cheers and applause. Mr. foulmin, after
expressing his regret that his friend Mr. Aspinall could not
be induced to stand for the ward, stated that his principles
were in direct oppoistion to those of Mr. Rathbone, both
politically and religiously, Ile felt it was his duty to come
forward and support consers
(Cheers.)

ad was re-

not destructive measure

Mr. ISAAC HOLMES then addressed the meeting, and
touched with great spirit upon many interesting topics, and
rode rough-shod over the Rads in the Town-council, and in
conclusion reminded the electors to support Mr. Toulmin
most strenuously.

Mr. N. MAY then rose to put the resolution, and dwelt at
length upon the various observations that had been made,
and explained the conduct of the conservatives.
Mr. HENRY STEWARD seconded the motion.

The CHAIRMAN here intimated that the committee would
sit every evening at Mrs. Cowbans, to answer any inquiries
which may be necessary.

•
Mr. RICHARD DAWSON, (who was received most cor-
dially) being called upon, drew the attention of the meeting
to the occurrence taking place in the city of London, in re-
ference to the election of lord mayor. He then begged the
electors to remember that there were only twenty conserva-
tives in the council out of sixty-four, and that in this elec-
tion there were four conservatives to go out and twelve rads,
and in the election of 1841 six conservatives and ten rads
were to retire. If ten conservatives could be returned this
election and ten in 41, they would be in a majority; but in
the event of sixteen being returned in this and sixteen in 41,
they would be enabled to elect their own aldermen. He
hoped to see the day when they should see a conservative
mayor proceeding to a protestant church, with the mace and
regalia before him, and attended by hundreds of conservative
gentlemen. (Loud cheers.)

Mr. ASHBRooKE then addr
length, when a vote of than'
and the meeting separated

ssed the meeting at some
to the Chairman was passed,

&BERCROMBY WARD

A meeting of the conservative burgesses for this ward was
held last night, in the Adelphi Hotel, for the purpose of
proposing a tit and proper person to be put in nomination
as a candidate for the representation of the ward at the
ensuing municipal election. The room was crowded with
respectable and influential burgesses, and the greatest
unanimity prevailed throughout the proceedings.
On the motion of Mr. C. BUSHELL, seconded by G. M.
GLAZEBROOK, RICHARD GRIFFITHS, Esq. was appointed
ch--:----

The CHAIRMAN opened the meeting by stating that, be-
fore he sat down, he should present a requisition to Mr.
Procter to become a candidate for the representation of the
ward. It had devolved upon him, as chairman of the ward,
to call the meeting, and as it was of a purely local nature, he
should confine himself as much as possible to its local affairs.
He should not, as they bad in some other wards, discuss the
subjects of the corn-laws, the sugar duties, or whether sugar
produced by slave labour should or should not ht.
in England. These were questions not within their province
and although there was undoubtedly great talent in the town
council, they were not exactly the parties to settle them.
Having stated the object of the meeting, the chairman pro-
ceeded to observe that their liberal friends had, both before
and since they came into power, heaped abuse upon the con-
servatives. They had abused the old corporation in no mea-

consumed

sured terms. Indeed, there was scarcely a word in the hng-
lish language which they had not used. to vilify them, pre-
viously to their getting into power; and, as might be expected,
they had not ceased their abuse of them, and of the conserva-
tives generally, from that day to this. They abused the old
corporation for being irresponsible, and praised themselves

responsible.forbeingwardorEv
be found that they had conducted the affairs of the corporate.estate in a much more wasteful and extravagant manner
than the old corporation, and it was for the burgesses
to say on the 2d of November whether they should be allowed
to continue to do so or not. (Cheers.) We all knew suffici-
ent of them to know that they ought not to remain in power
any longer._ (Cheers.) Their very first act was a proof of
this. They professed economy, humanity, and everything
that was amiable in the human character, yet their very first
act on entering the council-room, before their seats were
well-warmed under them, although they had returned 44
liberals to 4 conservatives, wasto elect 16 iderman, real good
radicals. (Laughter.) If they had had any liberality at all,
if they had had common justice, they ought at least to have
made one conservative alderman when they could so well have
this afforded ; but from that day to they had done no such
thing. From that period, however, their power had been
upon the wane amongst all classes of the public, for
now, instead of there being only four conservatives in the
town-council, there were now twenty; and the present
y ear twelve radicals retired for four conservatives. He be-
lieved the " liberals," as they called themselves, had been
exceedingly sore for the last twelve months, at expecting to
at
have the tables turned, the prospect of twelve conserva-
tives being returned instead of the same number of radicals.
(Hear, hear.) Indeed, if all the wards would exert them-
selves as Abercromby ward would, he believed the conserva-
tives would, elect fourteen out of the sixteen. (Cheers.)
'There would be, however, a necessity for every man doing
as much as lay in him. There were lukewarm voters : to be
lukewarm was not the way to win but the way to lose. By
ltikewarmness three wards were lost last year. Nine wards
were won; in three others there were ties, but these three
were lost through lukewarm conservatives. He knew
himself of one voter who might have saved either Ex-
changeorton ward, but when he was wanted
' he was 'sat quietly at his desk, and did not vote. He
\
hoped that .this sort- of coriduct would not be the
the cars this year; but that ail the voters would en-

tively co-operate with the several committe
plause.) The liberals had, as he had alrez...:
heaping upon us abusive language ; we would not follov
example, but we would turn upon them at the election
ought never, '

would have.had, had it not bee..
Church of England, Mr. James P
leneux, and the present chief -
were to desert thP-
s before now

mittee of Abercromby Ward
induce the Reform Commu-t-

their objeetio

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with a simil

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position having failed, it became necessary
who had been objected to should attend t
court to defend their rights. H
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