The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1849-11-01 00:00:00

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for inconsistency which Mr. Rushton inflicted uPPn tbei ,5
[Here Mr. Rushton again shook his head most otninge aor'
motion which the meeting enjoyed N-ery much, whilst ..lefet
tor proceeded.] The meeting was broken up by 311.•
who- '
ieeting

Mr. JEPFRICY:—I rise to a .point of order ; the rm.
not Dr. Cown broken ups.—Off they want in a hurry. I followea , co(1!(i
. theet
down a lane or two. (Laughter.) I did not know whg, littlelittlebe up, or where I was going; but.still I followed oni'l;egee
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dog who follows' his master by instinct, so I followed To (re'
tlemen, just wishing to find out what could be in the et4isoil's
newed laughter), and so I followed till they came to Mr.
cha,
msa
office; and there Mr. Jeffrey constituted himself the
and rescinded the resolutions which they had agreed tori_l:o!e.
morning. (Loud laughter.) There they agreed to the rbeen
tion of the 10th. He next complained that he never
appointed on one of the sub-committees into which
chial committee had been subdivided. If they aPPninter talent
engineers to report on this ouestion—of course men °to tote
and eminence, which just meant men who knew how
....tbef
Care of themselves, and all that humbugging sort of thin ;t, that
would have a swarm of Irish and Scotch engineers to ort
which should be given to their own townsmen. (No, no-) re to be,
was, that they were going to appoint two men who w% out P
engaged like fighting-cocks, and who were to fight ,`,09; nP
long as they could stand,
. and afterwards they were t°ll that
for the chance of becoming an umpire.—(Laughter.)
tliey required was to get men of their own choosing; weft'. le
would sink wells, and the water would speak for choosing;,
volt
bring eminent engineers here indeed,—.hey might a (01
bring a Newmarket jockey to ride a donkey race•—,ei,
laughter.) He had prepared a report of his own, 1,""1„,01)
't we's would read for them, arid he ventured to say that I cool
nearer the facts than what they had just heard font the
mittee. It was as follows : • neri '
A Report drawn up by Dr. Collins for the Parish:o la
Lir,- '4' Vest- 0,
tilhaecirtbartree

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iverpool in Vestry, wictober 31st, 1849, and subni,rembet,
the Parochial Committee for adoption.on the VA
1849, without success, with a few verbal alterations% stio
Mr. Chairman and gentlemen,—We have been yen' `,),,,fote,
playing the game of your opponents since we met here, wore
at your expense, and we confess we are now in a mucasrettia
position to carry out your wishes and instructions
rid of the Pike scheme with itsenormous liabilities and .1"
yisteil
than we were at the time of our nomination by you, to the
over your interests, and that we have been hooked inletr',, to
clever manceuvering of the mediators and the Town-c, , weer
concessions which, if carried out in the full spirit an.
ing of what is said to have been agreed to betwee'veen
Committee and the Special Water Committee of the hlge
Council will lay the foundation of another enormous
neeo!
job, under the name of an arbitration of eminent Nig' to
or in other words, for such as have friends R 6140.1
get a job for them at your expence, and to throw well•
overboard who deserve it for having served you toOdoy to
By this agreement, which you are here assembled tn-nlote
confirm or reject, we have authorised the apoointmert toff;
eminent engineers—as the phrase goes—arbitrators, gniore in
to our locality, and who have never been employed beadho
examining our local wells, on the matters in dispute, !I-0.000
of course, are the best judges, because they are most,',,,,,itel!'
on these wants of the town, to go to Ba'a, Bevington. "1":"Imelr
or any other place they think tit to look for water, with eels,
staff of workmen, clerks, (on salary,) engineers, sub-en,-' other(
and other assistants. and with attorneys, barristers, and wit°
sorts of lawyers. to 'keep them right, and within the sr_ coo•
their instructions, with their demurrers, pleas, meetin7e. and
sultations, &c., &c., to have all a pull out of your pocliels,:cote
when they shall have, after five or six months of wauton.,b the
of the public money, decided whether we are to go 000,
Rivington scheme, or to go elsewhere for the water, their tw' Avo
is to be final, and you shall not have a voice in the questl.to
we have, moreover, also agreed, as your representa
move the injunction and all other legal impediments in
of raising the funds to pay for all this, and for the cono sl
and the other liabilities incurred by the Pike scheme. %core
other subsequent expenses, and to apply to Parliament" e,
junction with your friend the Town-clerk, for this purcl.%,
" But what frets us more than all this, is that we IVolOrli
done one single thing for which you appointed us, nn. alto
was to try and test the local capability of supplying 100.
to,
the town under an engineer, or engineers, of our own ob'
meat; to give notices of intention to alter and amend t the
noxious Pike Act of 1847. and above all to take care h),R for
Corporation Estate be not pawned to raise money to P:4100
the misdoings of others, for contracts with which you ballei Or
nothing to do, and about which you were never cons° toll
thought worthy of notice, until they wanted your Mond
for them. tlef
" Seeing now our error, and wishing to find soloed to -
loop-hole to creep out from our folly, in having agree. ago

thii, and in deviating from the strict duties of our iipPoi""" ore
h./a ,
by you, and promising, if you give us another trial, to ",`,oo`
careful again in acting on the exclusive evidence and jurd.tsel
of one or two in the committee, who have led us i"t° riot
errors, we strongly recommend to you to reject the re,11)49010
our agreement with the special water committee, an
esoar
enable us to retreat without disgrace and defeat, and to rosy",
mence a new campaign with a better organization, follnibtls
the experience of the past, and the danger of dcalging
expert and skilful tacticians of the Toren-hall in such In",
tlle
Hoping you will do this,.we remain, we are sorry to se"
DOPES OF ABLER HEAD!?' grrffr°
"THE MEMBERS OF THE PAROCHIAL COII-;;
Appointed by the Vestry, 13th Sept. 1849; °,
This report was read amidst loud laugher, awe cries
" capital, doctor " The speaker continued to adjure the err!'
ing to do nil in their power to prevent the appointment 'rs alth
neers, who would only mystify and puzzle the rat, „a „
their statistics of such nonsense. If they really w"!'iistie7
puzzle and bewilder a man take him to low; tables of "'olo'
cunningly got up, and they would soon knock tne "wale'
sense out of him. (Roars of laughter, in the midst of
Dr. After Collins resumed his seat.)
a few words from Mr.Gaeame, in reply to Mr
Mr. J. A. PmeroN, architect, next rose, and was recei%
cheers. He said,—Gentlemen, when sitting here li,"'os,
the statements and counter statements which have hee,.eaeel;
to the meeting this.morning, I could not help interitallY
ing and saying to myself, "Who would bee courinittsel" oft"
the public se: vice, when we find that this committee, st •
spending days upon days, I might say weeks upon wee"' s
0- std
id
ar
time since they were appointed, (and many a rix ions II" in tll'
sleepless nights have been spent, I can assure you. sir' it 'j
1
case, for the benefit of the parishioners); when we 0_„,,0rl
we on the one hand are charged by members of the "othee
with repudiation, and on the other hand charged r';'.,proP°r
members of our own committee with a variety of tire
acts. (Applause.) I say, who would enter, with the. 00',
pests, into the public service, in matters of this 50r1,`,,,t ,
sir, I have more confidence in my townsmen ABSPIBba-,..---ut,,
!him t. •1.1., t, 'Amu
plain, simple, and unvarnished statement which has g.j of !ii
t
muted, they will not hold up their hands in stlPP%,r,o';',",
committee which they appointed. (Applause.) I`o"'''arot f
are the facts? This committee was appointed, in the And
stance, for the purpose, it was said, of testing the wel'esni* sent
considering any other matters which might present todoe
in the course of the inquiry, which would tend to Ole' teg
clear up this mucn-vexed and tangled question, and uP;Ort to,„
inquiries and the information obtained we were to re, 00.7(
subsequent meeting of the general vestry. They low 004,
the first instance, to test the wells, bat there wies„,terts",
matter which they considered it their duty to 6_,"etioneg,
although it was not included in their written inst,'" (Ile t,
that was to get the. Rivington Pike works stopee"gi,„„
hear, and applause) It was clear to your coin'!" -,;tit'betie
unless that was done, nothing could be accoli1::1,1 itoii,
(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") supposing we corolpe
under the strict letter of instructions given to us as a ssed.o
tee, that we had proceeded to test the wells, and hare ~rstS,J
Council to give us powers to test the supply; the at a'ellogi
would have extended itself month after month, and w
have been the result in six months 7 The casling, ~.. ih 110(
would have been going on, at an accelerated wen (""iSchi; o(
and at the end of that time it would be said, "Tile oxnens'ue
done, the pipes are cast, the town has incurred an e,-e'itt S°o,
.4'175,000 (hear, hear), sow what do we care a r.a°,o
testing, the Rivington scheme must go on.—(Hear, 00,4
the committee saw this difficulty, and their first oldetoist vtie.
get the Rivington works stoppecl.—(App!ause.) With wait os,
we entered into a negociation with the special water co do olja
Mr. Brown and Dr. Collins say that we made it a sil.edso! tat
that the Rivington works should be stopped. We "lia '`l,oo
when we went to the special Water committee, t
equivalent do you offer us ; for what purposed° Yr",lat dot
stop them. Those two i;etitlemen appear to think t.
nothing to do but to buy harness, and go and test thie...„,ct
the town to great expense. and just das we please(' oe et; of
when, and where we pleased. There is not a man in
but knows we hail no such power; that we coul'l.T.Li `t
the consent of the constituted authorities, the SPs`aflie„":yl
Committee and the Common Council of the tclwth serif'
asked their permission to test the wells. w hal "5 y, re,err
It was th's (and it was more than, it. the first ingran•H,l of
peered), "We azree to stop the castings, to si.isoell god to
tiona with regard to the Rivingten scheme ; brueraCeeo'
men of the parochial water committee, er• you P, ef'
abide by the result; supposing that the testing. pro‘,, (]l
ope
ency , are you prepared to withdraw all opposition-into a. ;°6
hear.) Well, could we expect the Council to ente,r,hout_.,g,t 0"
sided bargain ? Shonld we have all our own waY to Ir-rsq,
some equivalent? We entered into the nagotiatto" tiffsfemelo
end to those unseemly disputes and arrimonionstse iri°,
which have distracted the town, and done infinite
isihirfoiwo-e,dtothaaptpDoirn.tcaoltlriti:sathniamlsaesif,jnlgnev.ithA,
to public credit and private concord—(applause co
not:know of any better conclusion than when .afterflos
t ,ot o
speech he had made, had approved of the apPointire' tlec,pg
engineers. It must be evident to every inan who rfl
a moment that the only effect which the propos it 5t
would have would be to bring the mat ter in a eel!, 0•0„seselle
shape before the council on the Ist of November.
.0,0 I: tl )
who would have to decide, and since the gentle"bantett,
had the nomination of the council in their ow" ,„I
matter rested with themselves. (Hear, hear, n3coll'''.4l`!,
And now it was genet ally considered that, in B;.butes,')ittr‘ot
that were appointed, a majority was to goy. ien !h„, eolage,'),
decided upon was corsiderad to he the art of t",'-'01o1" to, „f
If nothing was to he warranted, approved of, an,"eree.t.a org,
what every member of any committee shout" ',:africo rot
would like to know lif.w public business could bet fc! ot.ed
All the apparent opposition that day had arisen beog
tlemen out of a committee of eiohteen, not 0,1 cot,
to to be bound by the act of the majority. OJ-ttait t.fal;Dal
Mr. Rushton. he was sure, would hear him e it'
.t.
• of t co• boe
rnittee had endeavoured to obtain a suspenson st j. go
works, without being pledged to the reference?' Ware jol" t•
they could not obtain the consent of the Spernd I.,solutpißrre
mittee. Mr. Picton afterwards stated, that the beetl_io
which Messrs. Collins and Brown complained. h?T,
ed after they had thought proper to take up the.' j, ellotio(01
tire. • Was public business to stand still Itecal";e spec' toile
Itariariiientrhe It ?-1,1
venient for them to stay ? (Lauuhter an"„c
In conclusion (Mr. Piston said), all he had to erect
the committee was, that they had acted in Pe.'jb,e ejt g' t°
anti endeavoured to carry nut to the utmost Pose aiice
business for which they hail been appointed. 44 fa'rgkii!
the explanat on which he hail done, he had WA' tsealies
say than this, that as parishioners of Liverloo_?b,ch.`eetp!'
deavoured to carry out the views and objects
at heart, to the utmost of their power. 'I he
themselves upon the meeting, confident of th•!! •
ase tl!et)
had entered upon a disagreeable task, not to itito oftwo.o
but to release the town from the dilemma T, theY '
fallen, and to a considerable extent he thought
successful. fur their opponents in the Council s 1
,ieg,_efee•
altered and modified tone. (Loud applause-) We' tear(
was received with loud and reiterated bursts_ tho
Mr. RUSH I'ON here presented himself to the of
boo
41,„,,0,
When silence was restored, he proceeded to say_l, tilertio sic
having been two or thre.• times mentioned dull,"
ts'ett'er
their proceedings, he felt it incumbent upon„ md foi
few words in explanation of the part wlich." „tote
this matter. Ile wished, ill tee., Dow that luswiedoill„:o,4 p,
mentioned, to tell them how the whole
as he was concerned, lanan and elided.... t"
cheers ) Three weeks ago as he was pa?sine, Vim e
met _Nils Robertson Gladstone. who solicited Ftia go,
strenuous and impressive manner to interfere,li•iotee.,
o' get
use Ids influence in a aim manner to put en e".ect le'.l„te t4a.letic
dispute which was then goina• on with rise ill'
question. He, in reply, said that it was 1,14. t,, s he, 11;;;!
any settlement effected, inasmuch as both Pei tas"tsior,
mil edly arrayed against each other hnj), waeger,eo clot
much they might interfere, the Proba`'.
would get their heads broken for their P'l c.t
cries of no, no.) He however, sid theiii, F!'.`ce
eider the matter Ile, saw that they won drift, tob.seel'oli
to encounter ; that great trouble was to cocle!,jhot mollya
and in every shape ; but he felt convinr co,g
greatest difficulties would- 'be- an a Inie'.,eo to_Del;'!
peCuniary branch of the stibje V:l;yeiT„e;f
ever scheme was to be ear e ied out, the tie.;
4 Oa.' to im 4 fi
from the pockets of the ratepayers, an, , trod e set cit
prejudiced against anything which !vigils
burden of taxation. (Hear, hear) .Weillft'eVestr I'o/girt.
einsteeal 0
to 'tea •
he then"asooit, dining a short
• diring business of tlie—ciiurt, he wrote engifip.iy oe 0if
in no way Mixed up ss ith this que.stion, to a
eitP- to art
and reasonable way of bringing the- mattmer_„t
_fese%, toVe,
informing him that the appointment of a... 8 the
,o_lose
not. however, contemplate the appoint _ ess" ja br, otietcl
threee-erigitieeriVhe Merely wished; as "e a'';o11",00
the matter left to one who never had hee,lnott!f,,ce
up with the question, not because he shoulirg ur"
the information to be obtained from