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is that there was not another done at another place

said, It was intended that a coping stone sho,lll 1)e taken
off the wall adjoining Mr.Goldthorp's yard, and one of these
things planted there and fired into Mr. Goldthorp's pit." I
was afterwards with Williams in the Liverpool lockups, and
I told him that Davies had been telling all that he knew. He
said, " Then Ido not care how soon lam dead." I said,
" Does he know anything that will criminate you?" He
said, " Aye, he knows as much as I do myself." I asked lam
if he had not told Davies that it was Hulme who fired the
shot ; and he said, " Why, I might have let it slip in conver-
sation." I know the book produced. It is a memorandum
book that I kept of the sums I paid on account of the club.
Robert Newton took it from me when he apprehended me.
There is an entry in it of ss, Williams demanded that of
me for Hulme. I was ordered to pay it to him, and I did
so. I remember being in the lockups at Droylsden on the
Bth of January, half way between Manchester and Ashton. I
found the prisoner Hulme there. We were in the same place
there. When we were alone together he started a praying,
and wanted me to pray too. I made no reply. He then said,
" How can I stand before thee, 0 God, and ask for forgive-
ness, since I have taken life ?" He also added, " I have
taken what I cannot give." Sometime that night Newton
put Williams into the same cell. The following day they
both knelt down and prayed together. Hulme was the
speaker, and he said, " I pray thee, 0 God, to bless the widow
and the children that we have made fatherless." When I
was in Kirkdale about three weeks since, Hulme said Davies
had sworn to the wrong dates as to the time of making two
attempts, and he recollected remarking, if it was not made
then, it would he too late as the lamps would be lighted.
Cross-examined.—l am a sawyer. I have been in prison
since the 11th of December. lie asked me whether I knew
anything or the murder, and I told him I did not. I was in
the same yard at Kirkdale with Davies and my brother
Samuel. Nobody was present when Williams said four or
five bullets had gone into the man. I did not order any
powder myself ; but I am sure I heard Williams order Arun-
del to get it. Arundel gave it to me. Davies was not pre-
sent when the powder was ordered. I first told this story on
the 13th January at Ashton before the magistrates. I did
not tell the whole of what I have told to-day. I did not tell
them about the praying in the lockups.
By the JUDGE.—The lockup keeper was not in the room
when they were praying.

Cross-examination resumed.-1 was not put in the lockups
as a spy. The entry for ss. was not written in October or
September. I don't know how many times I have talked to
Davies about this murder. We were in the workhouse at
Ashton two or three days together. I was not aware when
the prisoners were in the lockups that any body was listen-
ing. I was not told to listen. I leave it to the mercy of the
gentlemen whether I get off or not. I was present in Kirk-
dale when Hulme gave instructions to his attorney for his
defence, but I did not hear those instructions. I never sent
for an attorney myself. 1 did not see Davies the day the
powder was brought from Oldham.
Re-examined.—l believe the entry of the ss. paid was
made the week after the 30th October. When I heard these
statements in the lockups I was a prisoner under charge my-
self.

Job Arundel, examined by Mr. BRAND T —lieaif rlt sawyer.
I remember the day Cooper was shot On. the
ber 1 was sent from the King's Head, Ashton, ti
Oldham went to Oldham and got 10s. for the club.l ti 3
bought hat To.
pounds of powder. When I started I understood I
w
get a pound and it would cost sixteen pence. It was to beto
blasting powder. I found it to be only sevenpence a pound,
so I brought two pounds. I brought it back the same after-
noon and gave it to Henry Hardwick. The same evening I
went to the Feathers in Dukintield. There were there Ed-
ward Davies and Samuel Hardwick. I saw Hulme there.
Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS.—RaIph Kenworthy
and Henry Hardwick ordered me to buy the powder. I
cannot say whether Davies was there. I did not see Wil-
liams there. I gave the powder to Henry Hardwick. It
was six o'clock when we were at the Feathers. We came
away from there with James Bowstead between seven and
eight o'clock.
Re-examined.—l was at the King's Head two or three
hours before I started, and I cannot remember all the peo-
ple who were there. The powder was tied up in a brown
paper parcel. I had a note to draw the money when I got to
Oldham. I took it to a man named John Clarke, who gave
me a paper, with which I went to the club-house and got the
money. I then paid for the powder with it, and, brought
the change back.
Thos. Prophet, examined by Mr. WORTLEY.—I keep a
beer-shop in Delatnere-street, Ashton ; and since the turn-
out a great many of the sawyers have come to my house. I
have seen both the prisoners there, with Henry Hardwick
and others. I remember one night a man named Henry
Hodkinson being there with the two prisoners and two other
men whom I did not know. They were altogether at the
back of the door of the front room. The last time I saw
Hulme there was the week before Cooper was murdered.
There were with him the Hardwicks and two others.
Cross-examined.—l am sure, upon my solemn oath, that
the two prisoners were there the night that Hodkinson was.
George Shede, examined by Mr. BRANDT.---I am a shoe-
maker at Ashton. On the night of the 18th November I
went into the last witness's house, and saw there the two
prisoners, Samuel Hardwick, and a man named Ralph,
whose other name Ido not know. I saw something lying on
the form, wrapped up. It was rather thicker than my arm.
I believe that Williams sat at one end of it.
Thomas Hodkinson, examined by Mr. Sergeant ATCHER-
LEY.—I am a dagger, and live in Ashton. On the night of
the 18th November I was in the back room at Thos. Pro-
phet's beer-shop. I went into the front room, and I saw
Williams, Henry Hardwick, and Davies there. I did not
sit down. They had a bundle with them, about three-quar-
ters of a yard long, and as thick as a man's thigh, under the
form. I then went into the back-room ; and Henry Hard-
wick, Williams, and Davis came there and staid till nine or
ten o'clock.
By the JUDGE.--I know it was the 18th,•because a man
joined the teetotallers on I
he 2lith,
•which was eight days
after I was in the house. knew he joined on that day, be-
cause I had some conversation with him. It was on a
Wednesday.
Sarah Davies, examined by Mr. WORTLEY..--I am the
wife of Edward Davies. In November last I remember my
on a Wednesday night. It was the
husband coming home
18th day of the month. He brought with him something
wrapped in a coarse piece of blanketting. It was
at least
half a yard long. He took it up stairs, and when he had
got up I heard something bump upon the floor. It was a
heavy bump. My husband went out afterwards. The next
day I saw the thing he had brought in the night before. It
was under the bed. I tried to push it with the brush, but it
was heavy and I could not. It remained in our house till