The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-12-09 00:00:00

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nature are guilty of a volut,ilitv of 'expression—who are gal,'
of words they would not in cooler moments make.use 1 (..,11.7.
sitter the place and the occasion—that he vias'at a meeting or
the ward which he represents; and I considpfthii audieuee en-
tertaining his views diametrically 'opposed to thu,e of the
majority of this body, and I atu willing to make allowance for
expressions which the councillor himself says he does not pre
cisety recollect. He entertains opiutions different• to the
jonity of this couucil. We know that be does not pledge himhimjeif
to the expressions. When he save that, I atn willing for one
to let the thing pass by; but I do think the idea of 'recording a
vote on this question is giving it an importance which it does
not deserve, considering the quarter from which it cOines.
Mr. Councillor Mutt; ceoFT.—I certainly very reluctantly
withdraw this ; because I conceive it is not an insult'ottlY
to ti!,
but it is an insult to our constituents. I conceive„sir, that it
has been stated that this was a convivial meeting; but when
culprit is brought before a magistrate for having got too woe
dr:,.lk—(loud cries of" No, no," which drowned the conclusion
of the sentence.) Perhaps it would be making Mr. Heyworth
too much to record such a resolution on our minutes, and in that
reseect I will withdraw it.
'I he MAyou.—l am very glad. I hope this discussion will
prevent anything of the kind going on again, and all gentlemen
will be guarded in expressions, which cannot be justified, 012 this
council.

The usual routine of business was then commenced, and the
deputy town-clerk read over the minutes of the last ineeljuro
FINANCE 'COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS.
At a meeting of the committee on the 11th of November WI,
Wallace Currie, Esq., was elected chairman in the room 0'
Alexander. Leathoin, who vacated his seat on his election as
chairman of the dock committee.
TheTowN-cLeite read a lengthy document, as part of th°,
proceedings of the finance committee, which he had forwarded
to that committee. The substance of it was, that he had consi-
dered it his duty to ascertain sshether the corporation was liable
to contribute to the parish under the returns act. The corpora-
fund was no longer disposable of at the will of the council. Th°
corporation, like individuals, was rateable with respect to ludi;
vidual occupation ; but he contended that the corporation stood
in the light of a public trust, amid ought, on the same grounds as
other trusts, to be exempted from the payment of parish rates.
He instanced the cases of the River Weaver trust and the dock
trust. The 92d section of the munioipal act laid down the pur-
poses to which the borough fund should be applied—to the oar.
meat of the various officers of the corporation, expenses of
prosecutions of offenders, maintaining the gaol, the constahu:
lacy, and other expenses, which should be necessarily incurred
in carrying into effect the provisions of the act. The surplus to
be applied to the improvement of the borough, and in case of a
deficiency that deficiency to be made good by a borough rate.
The municipal act by the 92d section threw on to the borough',
fund charges borne by the county, for which the county we,
accounted in the parish rate; and by the 117th section of the
municipal act the whole residue .of the county charges falling ou
the parish were to be paid by th-e corporation out of the borough
fund. The county rate from which the palish was exonerated
unwonted to £11,553 17s. sd. per annum on an average of the
last seven years. The parish rate reduced by this exoneration
charged the corporation £1,126. 165.; consequently, if the cor-
poration be not liable to the rate, the parish would still gain
£7,457. Is. 3.1. at the expense of the borough fund, and the
whole parish must immediately feel this relief. Several .coun-
sels' opinions had been taken on the subject, and the
prepon-
derance in number and authority was in favour of the corpora-
tion not being rateable,_ and the opinion was to appeal against
the rate. He had taken the necessary steps for forwarding that
appeal, and, if not opposed, an amicable arrangement would be
come to at the borough-sessions for taking a proforma decision,
and which might be done at au expense of £l5O. It was necea"
sary that the qnestion should be legally settled.
The proceedings of this committee were then confirmed.

LEASES' COMMITTEE.
A number of applications for leases were read. Proceedings
confirmed.

WATCH COMMITTEE.
At a meeting of the Watch Committee on the 4th of Nov.,
Mr. Jushua Walmsley was elected Chairman of the Committee
for the ensuing year.

A lengthy —arcument was read recommending that there
should be some directing control over the collectors of the rates,
as too much was left to their discretion, and recumming the ar
pointment mein of two additional collectors.

Resolved that the salary of the collectors be £lBO per annum
with a bonus at the end of the year, to be given according to
merit, but no salary to exceed £2lO per annum.
Resolved that 'Thomas Armstrong and William Santiv, jun.,
from their uniform good conduct in the treasurer's office, be
appointed as the new collectors ; and that an advertisement be
inserted in the papers for the appointment of two clerks to fill
the vacancy caused by their appointment.
At a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the Watch Committee
held the 12th November, 1836, present Joshua Wainasley, E5(l,
Chairman, &c. &c. &c.,. a leading article in the Liverpool Mail,
Nov. 12, impeaching the conduct and character of individuals
of the police force, having been read, it was resolved unani-
mously, that the Chairman do write to the Editor of the Mail,
requesting his attendance before the Committee on Tuesday
afternoon next, to substantiate the charges, and produce the
proofs mentioned in the leading article oftis paper of that date.
In compliance with this resolution, the chairman sent the fol-
lowing letter :
"TO THE EDITOR 01, THE LIVERPOOL MAIL.
" Liverpool, 12th Nov., 1836:
" Sus,—ln the Liverpool Mail, of this morning, I percettre the
following statement in the leading article We assert, with-
out any fear of contradiction sustained by facts, that there has
been no diminution of crime since the introduction of the new
police. On the contrary, we believe that so far as the police
themselves are concerned, there has been an increase of crime,
an increase of cruelty, an increase.pf false swearing, an increase
of lying, an increase of suborned testimony, an increase of
venal and profligate inrormations, an increase of extortion, bri-
bery, and corruption, an increase of intimidation and commu-
table license, and an increase of remorseless, invidious, and
unpardonable oppression. We believe all this, and are able to
prove it, if required.' As Chairman of the Watch Committee,
I beg to inform you, that a Sub-committee wilt sit at: the race-
in Fenwick-street, on Tuesday next, the 15th instant, at three
o'clock. And, as the statement in the Mail is-calculated:mate-
rially to affect the character and efficiency of
.individuals of the
police force, the committee, anxious to investigate such charges,
request the favour of your attendance with proofs.—l um, Sir,.
yours respectfully, JOSHUA WALMSLEY,

" At a meeting of the Watch Committee, held this 19th Nov.,.
1836, present Joshua Walmsley, Esq., Chairman, &c. &c. &c.
Resolved unanimously, That the Editor of the Liverpool Mail,
not having complied with the respectful request of the Sub-
committee, in reference to the assertion in his Journal of &tor,
day last, impeaching the character and conduct of individuals
of the police force, this Committee, iu the absence of proofs,
which he declared himself ready to produce, feel themselves
bound in duty to declare, that the allegations made, by him ate
unfounded. And it was further resolved, that, in justice to the
character of the police force, the resolution of the Sub-commit-
tee and the letter of the chairman, together with the foregoing-
resolution, be published once in each of the Liverpool palters.
" By order, CAPES ASHLIN, Secretary."
Proceedings confirmed.
IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.

An application for land from the Union Bank declined. ex-
cept ou terms of a negotiation for some other laud. If this is
declined, the purchase recently made by the Union Bank will
be included 111 the intended improvement bill.—Proceediugs
confirmed.

TOWN DUES COMMITTEE.
The amount of the dues of Mr. Bibby and others were order-
ed to be made out.

Mr. Alderman LEATHOM said it might be necessary to ex-
plain why they had taken proceedings against one of their own.
body. Mr. Bibby claimed exemption from town•dues, on the.
ground of having taken out his freedom. The committee thought.
he had no grounds on which to claim to be exempted, and had
ordered an action to be commenced against him, and others who-
also claimed exemption.—Procoedings confirmed.

MARKET COMMITTEE.
A. notice had been received from the Liverpool and Manches-
Fish Company, that they were about 416 be dissolved, and that
stalls for them iu the Fish-market would not be required.—
Proceedings confirmed.
TOWN-HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE.
Resolved, that the keeper of the Sessions-house be required
not to furnish any more stationary for the assize courts without
further orders from the committee.—Proceedings confirmed.

EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
Resolved, than Mr. Raithbone be elected chairman for the
ensuing year.—Proceedings confirmed.
Mr. Councillor RATIIBoNE said he wished to make one re-
mark about the schools. He did not wish to carry on into the
enemies camp, but there had been a placard written by the
Rev. Hugh M'Neile, put into the schools. It was a veil, silly
affair, very cleverly done, be must admit. He only wished it.
to go forward to the public, that the people may know what
they are to expect from the Rev. Rector Campbell's mode of
tuition of the children. Every child had that ridiculous thing
put into its hand. 'He wished to know whether that was the
way to encourage christian feeling ?
DOCK COMMITTEE.
Resolved, that the attention of the councillors be drawn to the-
insufficient state of the vav-ement in Bath-street.—Proceedings
confirmed.

A letter was addressed to the council, signed Charles Pain.
The letter complained that the writer had not been. fairly dealt
with by the council, in a contract for some hats.
A long explanation was entered into by Mr. Walmsiey, to the
effect, that a smaller order was given him merely as a trial of
his hats, as they were not considered as good as other samples.
The following aldermen were then chosen for some of the
wards: Scotland ward, Alderman Blain; St. Paul's ward, Ald.
Stuart; Exchange ward, Alderman Brown ; Castle-street
ward, Alderman Robinson ; St. Peter's ward, Alderman Lea-
thern ; Pitt-s4eet ward, Alderman Booth; Great George's-
street ward, Alderman Freme ; Lime-street ward, Alderman
Heyworth; West Derby ward, Alderman Moon : North Tox-
teth ward, Alderman JoneS ; South Toxteth ward, Alderman
Smith. The remainder to be chosen at the next meeting.

ASSESSMENT OF THE WATCII RATE.
The TowN-cis.itic said, the Council was empowered to levy
the old rate for the nightly watch. The Watch Committee had
ascertained the average annual rate_for the. last seven years to
be £8,527 12s. 141, and this was the amount tor which they were
entitled to levy. This was the amount levied, but it was not
competent to pay the day ants night police by one-half. The
nearest rate that could be levied. to the sum above stated, was
two pence and six-seventeenths of a penny in the pound, which
gave £8,515 IBs. ld., with which they must be content. Tile'
next proceeding would be for the Mayor to issue his warrant to
the High Constable for the levy.
MR. A THRONE said, it might be necessary to state, that this.
was not a borough rate, nor was it any increase whatever.
The TOWN-CLERK explained that it was not in their power
to levy for more than the old rate, and that this levy being oYer
the whole borough, new and old, there would be a great saving
to the community.
Mr.W, LMS LEY gave a recapitulation of the statements made
by the I.own-clerk with regard to the rates payable by the
borough
.tund, and those of which the parish was exempted by.
the municipal bill, and concluded by moving the adoption of
certain resolutions on this subject read by the Town-clerk,
which were seconded by Alderman Freate.

Mr. lioniNsoN saidBORO
, thatUGH Mr.RATE Wa.linsley had said if. there
should ever be a deficiency there would be a borough rate.—
There was a very general impression out of doors that there
was to be a borough rate levied. He wished to be informed ou
the subject.

The TOWN-CLERK said, as far as he could understand he
thought there would he no borough rate.
Ml. Councillor CurtniE said, the Town-clerk in answer to an
enquiry of Mr. Robinson stated, that his own opinion was, that
a
there would be no necessity for borough rate. " I take the op-
portunity of saving, that from my official capacity, I know that
the question of a borough rate never was talked of or thought
of." (Hear.)

, THE LIVERPOOL NEW GAS AND COKE COMPANY,
TowN•cLEaK read a memorial, signed Benjamin Tho-
was, from the Liverpool new gas and coke company. The
memorial stated, that that company had ascertained that the
Council had entered into a contract with the old gat company
for lighting Evertou and West Derby. The act of parliament
on which the new gas company was formed. gave that company
the exclusive ri,ght of entering those townships. It also stated,