The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

FRIDAY, JUNE 3RD.

The inquiry was resumed a few minutes after eleven
o'clock. The attendance of the public, and those more
immediately connected with the enquiry, was at first ex-
ceedingly meagre ; .doubtless in consequence of the fact
that the evidence otthe various witnesses brought forward
by the petitioners has been so exceedingly lame and im-
potent, compared, with the reports which were so long
and so industriously circulated by the opponents of the
members for Liverpool. The first witness called was
Jeremiah Wearthy, who said : I know Mr,..Rowett.
By the CHAIR..IAN: I got the money for William
Sergeant, and I gave it to Robert Sergeant.
Robert Sergeant was recalled, and said I saw the
witness, M`Carthy, after the election, and drew my
brother William'§ money from him. My brother voted
with me. My brother William had told] M'Carthy to
give it to me.

Thomas Allen,; I am a ropemaker, and voted for Mac-
kenzie and Toner in Edge-hill ward. E went direct
from my dwelling to Marshall's coffee-house : other per-
sons were there ; a good many voters, and some non-
electors. I afterwards went to the ropewalk to see what
was going on ; and subsequently, at the coffee-house,
saw Mr. Rowett, who asked me what side I was going to
vote on, when•l said I had not promised it. He said at
first, I am very glad to see you this morning, and I hope
you'll render us assistance. I went out and gave my
vote independent of anybody. After giving my vote,
Rowett came and asked me to assist him by going off in
a car with some voters who were being taken to the poll.
Some ropemakers came up and asked, me to have some-
thing to drink. I told them I had not money. Rowett
had asked to see me about another voter named Thomas
Allen. Ho was in the ward near St. James's church ;
and I got him to poll. I afterwards. went back to the
Edge-hilt coffee-house, and saw Rowett. That would be
at from two to three o'clock in the,afternoon. I said to
him, " Allen has voted." He asked, " Are you going
away ?I'' I said, " No." He said he should like to see
me to the close of the poll. I then went up stairs and
drank % glass of gingerette and smoked a cigar. I don't
recollect that Rowett spoke to me about any other voter.
I recollect a conversation with Rowett as to tickets. As
we mare taking Allen to the poll, Allen asked for a glass
of ale, and Mr. Rowett said, "-I have not a shilling
about me." He said that, when I asked him if he had
money or tickets for refreshment. Allen wanted to know
if he would have a day's pay.

By Mr. SMITH : He did not ask Mr. Rowett for it.
By Mr. PAGET : I asked Rowett if he would give me.
the day's pay for loss of time.. He said, if it is to be, every
man will have it. Now, I said, " Tom, if the wages are
to be paid, don't lose any ticae after it." I don't belie's.%
I have seen Allen ever since. I saw Mr. Rowett a fort...
night or three weeks after. I don't recollect seeing him
a few days after the election. I got money from Roma
a fortnight or three weeks afterwards : it was 10s. 1: got.
I kept the 10s. to myself. I was perfectly satisfied with
the money : I was compelled to be satisfied. I got it
from out of his own pocket. I know that, because I saw
him take it out. (Laughter.) On the day of the election
I was about the coffee-house at Edgehill, several times.
lam a master roper. I superintend the work. On the
election morning lwent over my work. When ',saw Rowett
at the Edgehill Coffee-house, I saw him doing various
men up to vote ; I saw him: in a chair,
presiding at a table, round which other persons were
assembled. I can't say he had any books before him.
The house was at times full—people coming and going.
I can't say going towards the polling-booth. Many were
dodging about the place to see if they could get drink.
I can't say I saw persons carrying colours and wearing
favors. I did not see Rowett pay money to any person
whatever.

Cross-examined : I am a householder, and have a rope.
walk of my own, employing a few men under me. I had
assisted Mr. Rowett at the election. The money I
received was not had for my vote. I would not sell my
vote. When he gave me the money he said it was paid
out of his own pocket for assisting him. I went across
and gave my vote independent. Since 1790 my father
has voted on the Red side, and the family have always
done so. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and
Turner.

Mr. SMITH : So you are hereditary Reds. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote in Denison's contest
Witness : Yes, I did.
Mr. PAGET Did you receive any money ?
Witness : I received £lO. (Laughter.)
Mr. PAGET : On which side did you vote ?
Witness : I polled on the " red" side, for Mr. Denison.
Mr. PAGET : Did you vote at Lord Sandon's election ?
Witness : No, I did not. I think I should have re-
membered if I had.

111 r. PAGET : When were you made a freeman :--
Witness : I have been a freeman since 1827.
Mr. SMITH : Did you live in Liverpool ?
Witness : No ; I resided in Manchester; and the £lO
was given to pay my expenses.

Thomas Wilson, a freeman, deposed that he was a
chairmaker and jobber, and that at the last election he
voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I am not employed
that I know of by Mr. Birchall in the removing of furni-
ture. I am certain that he never employed me. T know
him. He has a shop, in Richmond-row. He asked me
for my vote, in Hanover-street, before the election. He
asked me if I was going to vote for Turner and Macken.
zie ; and T said, yes. Something was said about a day's
I said, six shillings. He then said, if I polled

with him I would have my day's wages. I was working
at that time for some one whose name T did not know.
having been engaged at a sale-room. He said to me, it
would be all right. 1 worked at that time by the hour,
and I cannot say that I had worked by the day for a month
before that. I knew Birchall. When this was talked of,
about the wages, I was told I should go to the committee-
room at " The Pontac," in St. Anne's Ward. I can't
say on what day the conversation took place in Hanover-
street. It was before the polling day. I went more days
than one ; and I saw Birchall there, walking about. 1
can't answer for him walking about all the time in one
room. I polled from " The Pontac," and went front
that house to the booth in a car. I don't know who told
me to go in the car. I was in " The Pontac" from an
hour to an hour-and-a-half before I polled. Another man
of the same name as myself went in the coach to the poll.
I went to " The Pontac" after the poll. I'm sure I
can't say that I saw Birchall there. Next day after that
I went to Birchall's place, and got some money—not from
himself, but from his sister. He sent her for change, and
she gave me ss. She at first gave me 4s. ; but he said,
give Tom another shilling. I did not see any other men
there at the time.

Cross-examined.—l made up my mind to vote for Mac-
kenzie and Turner before my conversation with Birchall,
and although I had not received the ss. I should still hate
voted for Mackenzie and Turner.

John Brown : lam a freeman, and a wood turner. I
voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I
Toted from " The Pontac." Nobody canvassed me for
my vote. I did not see Birchall before the election. 1
saw him on the morning of the polling day, but I did not
speak to him. I can't say that I saw him there on the
morning of the polling. I went from " The Pontac"
with Westmore and Talbot, to the polling booth. I voted
in Castle-street. Talbot and Westmore polled at the top
of Leece-street. I went back to " The Pontac" after
the poll, but I did not go in. I went elsewhere. It 15
impossible for me to tell where 1 went after that. I went
to many places—to the top of Mill-lane to a public-
house—whose name I do not know, and whose landlord's
name I forget. Talbot and Westmore were with me. I
went next morning to " The Pontac," and saw Talbot
there, but did not see Birchall. After that, I never went
to the residence of Birchall, in Richmond-row ; I know
where he lives. I have received money from Talot. The
morning after the election he gave me 4s. I received it in
Dale-street ; but I never expected to receive it. He told
me that Birchall sent it. Ido not know what I got It for.
John Woods : lam a freeman and a labourer. I voted
at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I was
employed to carr a ag on th day of the nomination.
I was not employed at all to do e it. No one asked me to
do it. I went to " The Pontac," in Christian-street, on
the day of the nomination. I saw a person there•whom
1 know only by sight. I asked him to give me a flag,
and he told me to go into another room and get one, and
put my name down. The hags were red and blue. There
might be 40 or 50 carrying flags, and it was very warm
walking. I got 55., but I never took the flag back. I
lost it. A man took it away from me. I went down on
the morning of the election, about eleven o'clock, to "The
Fontac," and went in a coach• to the poll. I came back
in the coach to " Tbe Pontac',." and waited there a few
minutes. I got no money from any one after that. Some
minutes before the election I had a conversation with Mr.
Richard Birchall as to the situation of a watchman. Ha-
ssid' the first vacancy that occurred' I should have. I did'
get a, place a fortnight or three weeks after the election.
I got 10s. a week. I went on duty at six o'c.ock, and
went off at twelve o'clock. I db not know the person
who paid me the ss. for carrying the colours.
Cross-examined : I carried the colours all the day of
the nomination. It was a very hot day, and it was hard
work.

John Mthurst Brown said : I was-a tobacconist, at 28,
Tithebarn.street. Before the election, I was canvassed
by Mr. Turner, who asked me to vote for him and Mr.
Mackenzie. I bad known Mr. Turner. I hesitated in
giving Mr. Turner an answer. The person who was in
the shop was Galooby. When he left the shop, I said
to Mr. Turner I had a favour to ask. before I gave my
vote. I asked him could he give me employment. Mr.
Turner hesitated for some time, and then my wife named
the Sailors'Flome.

Mr. JAMES : Did you hear what your wife said ?

Witness

Examination continued : He said he hai'me interest in
the Sailors' Home himself, but he had a friend who had.
Before my wife interfered, he said he was,not quite sure
he could get- anything for me or not. My wife said, if
you have not interest, nobody has. When she spoke of
the Sailors' Hbme, he said he should speak, to his friend
Mr. James Tyrer, at the Sailors' Home. As soon as I
had got that promise from Mr. Turner, I/ game him a
promise that Pehould vote for him and Milzkenzie„ Ia
this conversation I did not tell Mr. Turner anything
about my polities at all. We said nothing about politics.
Mr. Cardwell's name was not mentioned.
Mr. MAcAtruvr : Should you have given-Nr. Turner
your promise to vote for him had he not promised you a
msitisueattioonvo?t(eQfour mr. Turnerestionobjectel to). What made you pro-

Witness : I did it for the sake of the situation..
Examination oontinued : After the election, at which I
voted for Mackenzie and Turner, I called upon Iffr. Turner
and reminded him of his promise. I went with• him to
Mr. Tyrer. I heard Mr. Turner speak to Mr. Tyrer, and
Mr. Tyrer said he would let me have a situation as soon
as ever there was an opening. I called upon
Tyrer
several times afterwards, every week, I should think, up
to
continued calling
cal.:lwlinrogteutpoonMrm. Turner, but
rbuttilglotu7
returned to Liverpool. answer. Turner

1., jr.-. . Z .igimu requisx-
tion to Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner, at the same time
I said it was not binding. I meant I should vote as I
thought proper. I did not sign it as if it was binding. 1
told Mr. Beloe so.

By Mr. MACAULAY : I received the letter- produced
before the election.

Mr. Turner having acknowledged that the letter was
his, it was put in as evidence. It was as follows:--

Liverpool, sth Jtoly, 1852..
Sir,—l have not forgotten your case, and I have mentioned it
to Mr. Tyrer. At present nothing has become vacant likely to
suit you, but I will continue to keep it in mind, and I hope I
may be able to do something before long.
Yours, CHARLES- TURNER.

Mr. J. B. Brown.

Cross-examined : I am a Reformer in politics. I
should certainly have voted for Cardwell and Turner if I
had adhered to my principles. My wife was present
during the whole of the conversation with Mr. Turner.
I should not have signed the requisition to 'Darner had I
not been pressed to do it by Mr. Law. I have told this
several times—once to Mr. Galooby, a brewer's clerk.
I have once kept a beerhouse, and gave it up, as it did not
do. It belonged to a person named Rotwelli and it was
situate in Edgar-street. I served him. He got fined,
and I left him—previously shutting up the-shop. I am
not in any business now. It is three months since I had
the tobacconist's shop. lam not without money. I had
the Speaker's warrant to come here nearly a month since.
I never was in prison for debt. I vial- a, tobacconist
before I kept a beershop. I had a shop for 11 years, and
Mr. Mellor- took it from me to make his public-house
larger. When I spoke to Mr. Turner,, had not pro-
mised my. vote. I had been canvassed several times by
the other party. When the conversation took place, Mr.
Turner was in the shop for a quarter of an• hour. My
wife spoke fast. My wife might say thatishe was a poor
woman, and had several children. Sloe might say that I
was old'and infirm, and wanted me to get into the Sailors'
Home, as I was not capable of hard work. She began the
conversation in respect to a situation. She spoke some
little time to him. I was out during a portion of the con-
versation. I know what she told him,. because she told
me. Mr. Turner had been in, If believe, five or ten
minutes before I came in. When Ilcame in, I found them
in conversation. My wife took part in the conversation.
I know Galooby, and I believe be it here. We spoke it
over several times—not while we were drinking together.
Galooby was with me when I went to give this informa-
tion. I gave my evidence to• some person in York-
buildings, who took it down ; but I; do not know who that
person was. It would be a month ago. I came up here
with Galooby, and we have been living at No. 13,
Stafford-road, Pimlico. Galooby has never read the evi-
dence over to me. He has. not got it wrote down. I
might have mentioned it to some persons in London. MY
wife is here.

By Mr. BODKIN : I waltad, to go into the Sailors' Homo
as a door-keeper, or any sort of sibaation of that kind
which I could get. I ham been to the Sailors' Home.

etabanmadt ehhaiend:
aaonradlrdgligi family.
Mary Brown : I am, the wife of the last witnes.g.
Before the last election, we had a tobacconist's shop 111
Tithebarn-street. I remember Mr. Turner coming to the
shop. That was a fortnight or three weeks before the
election. Nobody wasin the shop but myself when he
husband and Galooby camp
• afterwards. Mr. Turner asked fr
Mr. Brown was in. I said no,. he
. was outside. He theo
asked me would he vote.. I.saul yes, on the condition
Galooby came inor.ahlitinttlae Turner
mHumwino, afloorn
he .e Awapserasnonolndararnaed_
in very near together—my husband first. Ido not think
there was any conversation between my husband and!Mr.
Turner before Galooby came in. Galooby remained
about ten minutes, and during that time they were talk-
ing all about the election. Nothing particular was said.
When Galooby went, I first mentioned the Sailors'llerae
as a place where there were many situations. Hie said ho
should vote for Mr. Turner, after I had asked for the
situation,, and after Mr. Turner had said he should (11
what he could through the influence of Mr. Tyrer.
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believe he is a merchant, and that he is a manager of the
Sailors' Home. I do not know that he is one of the
councillors for our ward. Nothing more passed that was
particular. No particular situation was mentioned. Mr,
Turner was there, I dare say, from four to half-past. ;1,.
had a good many difficulties about the election time.
was short of the rent, I paid it, but was not helped by
anybody.

Cross-examined : The tobacco was paid for as we got it.
He has been in difficulties with tradesmen's bills during
the last few months. He has not, with my knowledge,
applied for money from various parties. Galooby could
not have heard anything that took place.
By Mr. BODKIN : Except that they bad a conversation.
By Mr. RODWELL : All that was said about the
situation was said by me, All that my husband intender'
to do about his vote was left to me. I have a large family'
and I told Mr. Turner that my husband was infirm, and
not capable of hard work. Mr. Turner was with roe
alone for about five minutes, and Galooby was there for
about ten minutes, during which they had some talk
about the election. Galooby is a person who collects
orders. When Mr. Turner came in he asked me be°
my husband was, but I do not recollect that he spoke
about my husband giving any promise. Galooby took ro,.
to London from Liverpool last Saturday. There wt::
another gentleman with him, bI
but I do not know wile i
was. We were about five minutes in the place where
took me to, and a gentleman took down my statemenn
have been with Galooby all the morning, and have- 137..
nevertow n thatask e d
talking to him, but not about the election or Alr. Tort
o
1 have never spoken to anybody about what took
husband,
between Mr. Turner and myself, except my husoB',',
with whom I talked the matter over. It was over tut!
we
eor
wanted my husband to have a situation, and. I col'
that was not the same u money.
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