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true gospel of Christ

o exaggerate the scripture view of an
ordained ministry and its powers, as to substitute the priest
and his ordinances for the Saviour and his grace.
On the other hand I could not be a consistent minister of
the christian church and believe that the jarring multitude of
sects with which this land is disgraced, have any claim to
the character of christian churches. Every Sabbath I pub-
licly declare my solemn belief that there is but " ONE Catho-
lic and Apostolic Church ;" the people unite with me in
praying, " From all heresy and SCHISM, good Lord de-

liver us

I have not yet learned to despise the solemn admonition,
" 1 beseech you by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that
there be no divisions amongst you."—" Mark them that
cause divisions, and avoid them." I dare not forget that
" sects" are mentioned amongst the " works of the flesh,"
and that " those who separate themselves" are denounced
as " sensual, having not the Spirit." My Bible has taught
me that the will of our blessed Lord is, " that they all may
be one as thou Father art in me, and I in thee"—that is one
in external operation, as well as in internal affection. That
same blessed word teaches me that there is ONX BODY as
well as one Spirit, and that to rend that body would be to
" divide Christ." That body is an external visible society
under one united government. " The body of Christ" the
church is that external society which is governed by the law-
ful ministry, " God bath set some in the church, first
apostles," &c.
Men may call it illiberal or not, but I have too much re-
verence for God's word to shrink from stating his truth.
That there are many pious persons in England not in com-
munion with the church is true. With many of them I re-
loice to hold profitable intercourse. I number them amongst
my dear friends, and look forward to spending eternity with
them. But as I neither believe in Protestant nor papal in-
fallibility, I can reconcile this with the firm conviction that
such persons are living in sinful schism, in being united with
unscriptural sects. 1 believe they are like en esteemed
teacher of old, who, though "eloquent and mighty in the
scriptures," " instructed in the way of the Lord, fervent in
the Spirit, speaking and teaching diligently the things of the
Lord," yet needed an Aquila and Priscilla to " expound to
him the way of God more perfectly."
A church in scripture is an assembly of persons coll
together and ruled over by a lawfully ordained ministry
From the time of the apostolic commission, in Mat. 28, 19,
to the end of time " all nation:" are put under the apostles
and their successors, consequently there is no room for other
bodies not governed by apostles.

apostolate was not a temporary office, nor was it con-
to the twelve. By a reference to your Greek Testa-
:, you will find that the office was delegated to othe
❑t.ended to be permanen
He zave some

)stles, &c., till we all come to the mea-
of the stature of the fulness of Christ."—Eph. iv. 11,

Epaphroditus was the apostle of the Philippian church.—
Phil. ii. 25. " Your messenger."—(Greek—Apostle.)
Silvanus and Timothy:areexpressly declared to be "
des of Christ.-1 Thess. i. I..ind 2., 7.
Timothy exercised his apostleship in Ephesus. Titus ex-
!seised the same office in Crete. To him was committed
the care of " ordaining presbyters in every church," and of
" stopping the mouths of unruly and vain talkers." Having
thus the charge of the churches of Crete, it would obviously
be sinful for any one to intrude into the office of the mi-
nistry unordained by him.
There is not a single example of any other ordination or
mode of church government in the New Testament than
apostolical, or in modern phraseology episcopal.. You will
in vain look for a presbyter ordaining his fellow presbyter.
The " presbytery" spoken of by the apostle, included the
apostles, as you will find by comparing 1 Tim. iv, 14, with
2 Tim. i, G. Indeed the word is no where else used in scrip-
ture, but for the highest ecclesiastical court, including the
high priest.
A scriptural ministry must be threefold :
Apostle or Angel In modern Bishop
Bishop or Presbyter {Priest
Deacon language. Deacon.
If a layman cannot ordain a minister, apostolic succession
is essential to an ordained ministry. An ordained minister
must have received that ordination from other ordained
men, and those again from others, and so progressively up to

Apos-

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apostles.
'hat the Church of England is a church of Christ you ad-

Scripture teaches that the church is one body; therefore
,e is in this land The Church of Christ. I call upon you,
r, to show me the other body which can claim to be a
u•istian church, with its scriptural ministry and scriptural
rvernment.

he present question is not one of doctrine, it is simply of
ipline. I beg again to repeat, that I do not unchr•istianize
brethren in Christ, who, through false teaching, have
into the sin of schism. Of some of them for zeal, for
Lord's service, I shall

If-denial, and devotedness to tl
er desire to be a humble imitat,

hie shall never,

ust, delude me into an approval of their sinful schism

'hat He may speedily 'come who is to be the repairer of the
reach and the restorer of paths to dwell in; and that in that
lay we all may find mercy of Him, is, Sir, the earnest
sayer of your obedient servant,

JOSEPH BAYLEE

ROMISH CONTROVERSY

TO THE REVEREND DR. BUTLER.
SIR,—You have already stated, in your published lecture,
at you considered your coming to Liverpool " an excellent'
portunity to discuss the points of difference between you

'a your Protestant friencli."
In the same lecture you say, " I require, as a sine qua non
edition, that Mr. Baylee be competent to meet me indis-

is•ion, and also to answer my published lectures." Upon
iat condition you declare that you will be " ever found ready
) discuss with him the points controverted between (Roman)
atholics and Protestants."

I hare now, Sir, publicly answered your lectures, and have
offered you an undeniable test of competency. That test I
beg again to repeat. lam willing to submit to a public ex-
amination by you on the following subjects, provided you
give me the same opportunity of publicly examining you:-
1. The English Bible.
2. The Hebrew Bible and Greek Testament. '

3. The Greek Septuagint, with its influence, and that of
Le Hebrew language, on New Testament Greek.
4. The Latin Vulgate, and the influence of its phrases on
line modern errors. _

5. The Chaldee, Samaritan, and Syriac Versions, as found
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in Walton's Polyglott.
6. The influence of the Jewish and Heathen Philosophy
on Christian Writings. •
7. The opinions of the principal ecclesiastical writers, and
the history of tt►e Christian Church.
I write not this, Sir, in any vain-glorious boasting. I bays
reluctantly offered this test upon the advice of valued clerical
brethren ; and I feel it right to say, that with regard to the
Samaritan and the Syriac, my own acquaintance with them

ut present, but that of a student. It is, however, sufficiently

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deep to ascertain, that, in the remarks which you borrow
from others, they have misled you into a misquotation of
Bishop Walton and a mistranslation of the Syriac Testament.
When I offer such a test of competency you cannot plead my
unfitness for controversy. I therefore call upon you to re-
deem your pledge, and offer you three modes of discussion :-
1. To DEFEND YOUR OWN PRINTED LECTURES.
I am prepared to prove that you misstate Protestant doc-
trines, that you mistranlate Scripture, that you contradict
the athers, that you contradict yourself, that you teach
heresies, that you degrade Christ to the rank of a created
angel, and that you violate the creed of Pope Pius.
If it would be inconvenient to you to bring these solemn
charges to a public test, I offer you a second mode of trying
the claims of the Church of Rome.

2. I am ready to prove
THAT A DECREE OF
.A GENERAL COUNCIL CONDEMNS
THE POPE AS A DEGRADED BISHOP;
and that

Romish priests exercising their ministry in this country
are intruders and schismatics.
3. Or, if you prefer the original terms proposed by me, I
am ready to prove :-
1. That the Church of Rome has apostatised from the true
faith of Christ. . _ . . .

vra v.••
2. That Romish priests, exercising their ministry in this
country are schismatics.
3. That the Church of England is the only branch of the
Catholic Church existing in England.
If you refuse to meet, not only Englishmen, but thinking
Irishmen also, will come to the conclusion that you know
that Romish doctrines will not bear the light of God's
word, and will see the reason why " vicars apostolical " and
others prefer discussions, without an opponent, within the
walls of a Roman Chapel, to a fair, open discussion with a
competent clergyman.
Trusting that this correspondence may be directed by a
gracious God to the opening of the eyes of many now involved
in Papal and other darkness,

I am, Sir, your obedient Servant,
JOSEPH BAYLEE

Parkfield, Woodside, June 7, 1841

IMMORAL PUBLICATIONS,

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD

SlR,—Living in a Christian society, as I de, my mind has
oftentimes been shocked by the exhibition of immoral cheap
izmblications, such as the Penny Satirist," and others of
the same class, calculated, in a very eminent degree, to de-
moralise the rising generation, and the lower order of society
generally. But what are our magistrates doing, not to put
an end to the sale of such things on the Lord's day r I assure
you, Mr. Editor, that in my neighbourhood they are placed
in the window of a small shop on the Sabbath day as on every
day in the week. Now, sir, if this be reform, my aunt says
the sooner we get quit of it the better, and she is doing all
she can to persuade her friends to vote for the conservatives.
in the expected election, who, she says, will instantly put a
stop to such work. Perhaps you will let this go into your
paper on Tuesday, and oblige A CONSERVATIVE.
[We are glad to see that people identify conservatism with
an abhorrence of immorality. Our present incapables care
nothing about the profanation of the Sabbath, or the circula-
tion of the most abominable trash, provided that is only be-
spattered with a due proportion of abuse of the " tory aris-
tocracy," or of any interest which Englishmen, " as they
ought to be," hold dear.—En. L. S.]

LIFE-BOATS ON BOARD STEAMERS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.
SIR,—I venture to suggest, through the rnedipi of your
paper,
the expedience of every large vessel, especially 'learn-
era, being furnished with a lye-boat. In cases of wreck or
other emergency, it might be made available to the convey,
ance of a whole ship's company to shore, when all other
means of escape were cut off; and if even it should fail of
rescuing persons, it might prove serviceable in preserving
valuable documents, 4c., and in putting an end to the ago•
nizing suspense of relations and friends, and the anxious spe-
culations of a sympathizing public, by informing them of the
situation of a vessel, and the expected destiny of the crew
and passengers.

I am not aware of any ship or steamer being thus provided'
If, however, my ignorance of nautioal affairs saisloads n3o is
his respect, or there is any thing wixtob remare tiky blifiVii"