The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-14 00:00:00

TUESDAY, JUNE 7

This was the ninth day of the examination. The com-
mittee met at 11 o'clock, and the first witness called was
Thomas Walthew, the person who was under cross-
examination when the committee adjourned the previous
evening ; but Mr. Bodkin intimated that he would not re-
examine him.

William Stamp, watchcase maker, residing in Bolton-
street, Liverpool, who voted as a householder in 1847
for Cardwell and Birch, and who before the last election
said he would rote for Cardwell and Ewart, deposed that,
while he got a card from the red side, he did not receive
one from the Whig side.
John Hickson, a freeman, voted for Mackenzie and
Turner ; had three days' employment before the election
from Mr. Bremner, in making out canvass-books and
carrying messages ; was paid half-a-guinea for the three
days by Mr. Wilkin, and received 10s. from Mr. Buck-
master for Sunday work done at the Central Committee-
rooms. Was engaged in the Royal Bank-buildings, Ex-
change Ward, and knew that messages were sent back-
wards and forwards from the Bank-buildings to the
Central Committee-room by messengers appointed for
that purpose. Wilkins and 'Bremner called at the Bank-
buildings to see how they were getting on. Was a poll-
clerk, acted as such in Lime-street Ward, and received a
card from Mr. Bremner, on producing which the day fol-
lowing at Mr. Bremner's office, witness received payment
for his trouble. _ _

John Quile, a physician who has been resident in
Liverpool for eighteen months. was not a voter, but took
an interest in the last election on the side of Mackenzie
and Turner. Was a member of the committee which sat
in the Great George Tavern, Pitt-street, and canvassed
in the Great George ward. Mr. E. M'Keverigan was
absent from none of the meetings. Had never acted on a
municipal committee, but knew the committee was the
municipal one.
Samuel Orme, Burlington-street, Liverpool, porter for
Mead, Corney, and Co., of the Shipping Gazette, was
engaged by Mr. Jonas Gleave, " as outdoor clerk, mes-
senger, and everything in-door and out" in the Lime-
street ward. His in-door business was transacted at the
Swan, whither he was sent by Mr. Gleave. A committee
met at the Swan, at two of which meetings he was pre-
sent, and of which Mr. Lloyd was chairman, Gleave
secretary, and Riding vice-chairman. Knew Smith, the
letter-carrier, but never saw money paid to him at the
Swan. On the morning of the polling-day was in Gleave's
house, and saw him take thirty or forty voters up to the
poll. There were coaches and cars at the Swan, but none
at Gleave's."Nlr. Gleave paid him his wages.

Sylvester Redmond, who said he had li;red three years
in Liverpool, and was the correspondent of one London
newspaper (a Roman Catholic publication, we under-
stand), dined at the Bee Hotel, Mr. Lawton's, on the
election-day, and saw there Mr. J. Buck Lloyd and Mr.
Jonas Gleave, both of them busy with voters.
Daniel Warburton Kellett, stationer and printer, voted
at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. Executed
work at the election time by the orders of Mr. Buck-
master, Mr. Bremner, and Mr. John Briscoe, the chair-
man of St. Paul's Ward, and also of Mr. Jackson, clerk
to Mr. Charles Turner, official assignee of the Liverpool
District Court of Bankruptcy, and a voter in Everton
Ward. In respect of all the printing, made out a bill of
£56 10s., £5O of which had been paid to him by Mr.
Thomas Bold, though not before he had written to Mr.
Molyneux, the chairman. Mr. Hatch also gave orders
for printing. Cannot say the manuscript of the procession
programme was in Mr. Bremner's handwriting, but a
proof of the document was sent to Mr. Bremner as well
as gave him the manuscript. He printed some for the
other side, but the amount of their bill was only £1 10s.
John Taylor, engaged by Mr. Rigby, chairman of
Pitt-street Ward, was engaged at the committee-room at
the Vine Tavern, charged is. W. per day, and 10s. for
the day of the election, and was paid by Mr. Rigby a day
or two after the election. He was employed as messenger.
Mr. Postyn was, he believed, paid secretary. and Mr.
Charles Callis deputy-chairman. Was sent twice or
thrice by the committee to the central office, North John-
street. Sometimes he had a written and sometimes a
verbal message to deliver. Has seen a gentleman named
M`Keverigan at the committee-room in the Vine Tavern.
Mr. Mackenzie and Mr. Turner paid a visit to the Vine
Tavern one evening, and addressed the electors of the
ward. He is not a voter. Is a house and ship joiner.
Mr. Solomon May was occasionally at the Vine, and he
had been present at meetings of the committee where
coopers and shipwrights had come to, but he did not
hear what took place ; when he went to the central office
he did not recollect that he saw Mr. Buckmaster.

Sylvester Retlmond,the last witness examined, was asked
by Mr. Paget Did you hear Mr. Gleave order refresh-
ments for those people who had voted ? Mr. Rodwell
objected to the question being at present answered. He
asked the committee to adjourn the proceedings at this
turn of the case, when it was about to be attempted to
fix the charge of treating. He knew that at this moment
his learned friend Mr. James was preparing to argue this
point of the case. The Chairman immediately intimated
that they quite coincided in what Mr. Rodwell had re-
marked as to the importance of the case, and they ac-
cordingly acceded to the suggestion. The proceedings
then terminated at a quarter to three.

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 8.

Mr. Shuttleworth, town-clerk of Liverpool, was ex-
amined as to the arrangements made at the election.—
Mr. Redmond, the witness examined yesterday, was
re-called, and the following questions put to him by Mr.
Paget :—Did you hear Jonas Gleave give any orders ?
Witness : Yes.—What did he say with respect to treat-
ing I—Mr. James objected to the question, on the ground
that there had been no proof of agency on the part of
Gleave. He contended that the sitting members were
not responsible for his acts ; and that evidence with
regard to treating by him was not admissible against
them.—After lengthened arguments by counsel on both
sides, the room was cleared. When strangers were
re-admitted, the Chairman said the committee had come
to the conclusion that the facts established as to Gleave
individually had proved his agency, so as to make any
alleged acts by him prima facie evidence against the
sitting members.—Mr. Redmond's examination continued :
I heard Gleave giving orders for brandy and other liquors
at the Bee, on the day of the election, for the people
with him. The liquor was consumed by them. They
had tickets in their hands. There was dinner, or lunch,
as the case might be, provided for the same people several
times that day. The house was thronged during the day.
I went to the house in the morning, and dined there
between twelve and oneo'clock. I dined in thecoffee-room,
at the back of the bar. I returned to the house about three
o'clock, when the same thing was going on. I was there
again at six in the evening, after the close of the poll,
when the drinking was still going on. Gleave was not
there all the time. I left the house at the latest at half-
past eight or nine. I saw Gleave after three o'clock. I
last saw him in the Rear Horse, talking to some men,
but not about drink. There were five or six of us who
had dinner and wine. It was not paid for by us. We
wanted to pay for it, but the landlord would not take any
payment. I know Miss Lawton, the daughter of the
landlord, who acts as barmaid. Gleave gave her the
orders, but I did not see any payment made to her. She
had a slate, on which she made memoranda.—Cross.
examined by Mr. Rodwell : I did not go to the Bee as a
spy, but to get news which I published in London and
,1 Dublin. I published it in London in the Sunday Times.
I I never spoke to Gleave. Mr. Lawton asked me to have
dinner at the Bee, and I intended to pay for my dinner.—
Samuel Hesketh re-called : On the morning of the polling
day I went to the Derby Arms. I had something to eat,
and some coffee, that morning. Gleave was there.
Gleave had told me that I might go and get a cup of
coffee there, and so I went. The others were eating. I
paid nothing.—J. Wilson : I am a freeman of Liverpool,
anti voted for the sitting members. I had something to
eat at Gleave's house. I helped myself, and did not pay
anything.—Millington Walthew re-called : During the
election I went to Pyecroft's house, where a committee
sat. Whilst I was employed at that committee I saw
rareshment tickets given to various parties. Altogether
there were not more than two or three that 1 saw. Mr.
Watson was in the room at the time ' • I had one or two
myself.—The Chairman asked Mr. Bodkin if he could
conveniently mention all the names of those persons
with regard to whom he proposed to offer proof of
agency. It would be better to conclude the case
against Gleave before going into that against Watson.—
) Mr. Bodkin said he mould endeavour to do so to-morrow,

—Margaret Hunt : My aunt keeps the Swan, and I assist
her. I know Gleave, and sew him there often during the
election. No person went into any particular room at
the election, as the rooms were all public. The club-
room is up-stairs. A clerk sat up-stairs in the club room
during the election. I know Jonas Gleave; I do not
think he was there. I think there were two clerks: One
night, when there was a club, the clerks went into a
smaller room. A glass of ale or :two was sent up in the
course of the day to the clerks. Ido not know that any-
one kept an account of what was sent to the clerks.
Sometimes I took it up myself. I was not paid for it.
My aunt never kept books.—By Mr. Freshfield : I do not
recollect Cleave being at the Swan in particular. He
came in and out during the election. The committee ad-
jurned at a quarter to four o'clock.