The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1840-12-08 00:00:00

-COUNTER CHARGE OF GROSS AND UNNECESSARY
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VIOLENCE BY THE WITNESS

DISMISSED

AND THE PRISONERS, ANI

vaniel Creer, an old man ; William Creer, (his son,;
Edward Lloyd, and Robert Thompson, young men.; and
Sarah Buckley, an elderly female, were placed at the hat
under the following charge :
Police-officer 127 said, that between two and three o'clock
yesterday (Sunday) morning, while he was on duty in

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Christian-street, he heard a noise of a window breaking, and
went to look what was to do. Seeing three young men run-
ning away, namely, the prisoners Robert Thompson, Edward
Lloyd, and William Creer, he knocked for assistance. Police-
officer No. 22 came up, and they pursued them. Two or

three of them got into an old man's house named Thompson.
One of them was getting over the wall coming out, and he
and the others were secured, as they (the officers) wished to
know who had broken the window. The old man Creer
came out and endeavoured to rescue the prisoners, and told
the female prisoner to fetch his knife, and he would do for
them (the officers). the witness (127) did not see the win-
dow broken. Officer 22 spoke to the same effect. In nrnca-

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examination they admitted that two or three other officers
came up. They denied that they heard the knife was sent
for to cut the neck-cloth of one of the young men, whom his
friends believed to be choking.

The owner of the broken window was called, and he stated
that only one square was broken. He did not know by whom
it was broken, or whether it was done by accident or design.
Mr. Davenport appeared for the prisoners, and called the
following evidence.

Edward Tollit, of Portland-place, said he had gone home
only a short time before, and saw three men in the street,
quite quiet. Shortly after he heard a cry of " murder." He
went to the door, and saw a police officer (22) make so vio-
lent a blow at Edward Lloyd that the ferule of his stick struck
fire from the stones, and the stick itself was broken to atoms.
He (witness) might as well have been struck at as the young
man, for anything he had done. He afterwards saw Edward
Lloyd dragged by two policemen, while he was on his back
and his head on the ground, a distance of about 200 yards.
Witness afterwards got the numerous pieces of the officer's
stick, which he produced. Old Daniel Creer came down
stairs when he heard the cry of his son, and seeing the young
man struck, begged they would not use their sticks so freely,
when he immediately received a violent blow from Policeman
22 on the back of the head. Old Sarah Buckley (the de-
fendant) looked out at her window, and then came down
stairs. When she saw the young man (Thompson) on the
ground, and heard that he was choked, she fetched him some
water. The old man, hearing that they could not undo
Thompson's handkerchief, said to the old woman, " Fetch
me a knife, and I'll cut the handkerchief from' his neck
they've choked him."

Another witness saw the lads go up the passage quietly.
One of them endeavoured to get over a railing into the
house where he lived, the door being closed, and officer 22
came up and beat him shamefully with his stick ; another
held him by the handkerchief. The old man came out with
his trousers on only for his son, and was dragged away in
that state. The lads made no resistance.
Agnes Duckworth said she picked up the pieces of the stick
and gave them to Mr. Toilet.

Win. Agnew said he saw the young man named dragged by
his heels, and his head on the ground.
Mary Smith said she was sitting up with her husband who
had some work to finish. She saw an officer laying on the lad
while he was on the rails, and the other holding him by the
neck.

Mary Anderton said the young men were quiet and made
no resistance. She saw the old man struck a dreadful blow
by police-officer 127. Witness also spoke to the maltreat-
ment of the lad while he was on the rails. The spikes were
sharp and he could not get off them. They had to lift'him
off, and he lay on the ground and could not speak.
Police-officer 22 said that they had not dragged Lloyd in
the street at all, but that he had walked between two men.

The trowsers worn by the young man were produced. They
were torn to pieces, and had evident marks of being soiled by
the mud of the street.
Police-officer 22 said that the trowsers were torn on the
rails, by their taking the young man down.
The witness Tollit here said that this was not true, for the
torn trowsers belonged to Lloyd, who had been dragged in
the street, and not to Thompson, who had been on the rails.
The prisoner Wrn. Creer said he never struck any of the
officers, and was willing to go quietly ; that the window was
broken by accident, and that he was struck a second time, and
made no resistance until he saw his father struck.
The old man Edward Creer said he came down to the door
to bring in his son, when he was struck on the head. He
was dragged off by them in his trousers only. Both father
and son showed severe wounds in their heads from which the
blood had been flowing.

Mr. Rushton inquired where police-officet No. 127 was,
and he was told that the man was not present. He then ob-
served that there had been great and unnecessary violence
used in this case, and all the policemen concerned ought to
have been in attendance. The lads probably had broken the
windows in coming home—whether by design or accident he
did not know. The duty of the police was to ascertain the
fact, and take up the wrong doer ; but he (Mr. Rushton) had
often said, and he could not repeat it too frequently, that
force enough was to be had, by the officers concerned, with-
out their resorting to unnecessary violence. There seemed
to have been unnecessary violence used towards the lad who
had broken the window, inasmuch as he had been dragged
along the street by his trowsers ; and there had been unne-
cessary violence used to the old man and the old woman, for
they came entirely in consequence of their son being in it, a
circumstance for which the police ought always to make
allowance. If the old man had attempted to rescue his son
who was a prisoner, seeing that he was known, the officers
instead of assaulting and taking him to Bridewell, should
have applied for a summons against him. He ought not to
have been struck at all. Police-officer No. 22 said he had
not struck the old man; it was No. 127. Mr. Rushton di-
rected No. 127 to be in attendance to-morrow (Tuesday),
and he asked whether the prisoners were drunk when they
were received at Bridewell. The Bridewell-keeper replied,
that the old man and woman were sober, but that the lads
were not. Mr. Rushton ordered the whole of them to be
discharged. Addressing the old man, he told him that as he
had been assaulted by No. 127, he might have a summons
against that officer. Creer thanked the magistrate, and said
that he would take the summons. Eventually the case
Rain io. 12 was ordered to be heard this day cLuitsfilgi)e
had been on the part of the police concerned, unnecessary
violence, a want of common sense and a want of consider-
ation • and that there could be no justification for striking
the old man in the way he had been struck.

ROBBING AN OFFICE

Samuel East, a boy, and Frederick Appleton, a young
man, were placed at the bar. Mr. Charles Thomson, mer-
chant, of No. 2, India-buildings, said that, on the 30th Nov.
he balanced his cash, and put into his safe 58 sovereigns and
4 half-sovereigns, wrapped in paper. The prisoner East had
been in his employ three or four weeks as office-boy. He
(Mr. T.) kept the key of the safe in a drawer which he kept
locked, and the key of which he carried,in his pocket. He
was absent from the office on business several times on
Thursday last, and on Friday forenoon found the key of the
safe in the drawer where he had left it. On Saturday after-
noon he examined his cash, and missed nine sovereigns. He
also found that there was a difference in the manner in which
the sovereigns and half-sovereigns were placed in the paper,
from the time he left them. He asked the prisoner it he
knew rnything about it, and he said he did not. lie got the
assistance of Halsall and Lloyd, police-officers. They went
with him to his office. Halsall found under the grate, in a
small handkerchief, ss. in silver, and half-a-crown ; and in a
towel he found four sovereigns. On being asked what he had
done with the rest of the money, prisoner said " he knew of
no more." Lloyd corroborated this testimony. Prisoner
said the handkerchief was his, and admitted he had taken all
the money ; that he had bought theatrical things with it, and
had given them to Frank Appleton, in Arley-street. The
officers went there, and found the articles (dresses, &c.), and
also some new calico. The prisoner, after being cautioned,
said that " Frank , Appleton (the other prisoner) did not
know where he (East) got the things ; and that the calico
was his own, and that Appleton did not know anything about
it." Appleton, who it appears has a swinging boat, and
purposed opening some sort of theatrical place of amuse-
ment, was discharged. East was committed for trial.

SMUGGLING TOBACCO

William Trotter, a fine-looking seaman, was charged with
having endeavoured to smuggle a quantity of tobacco. An
officer stated that on Sunday morning he saw two boys bring-
ing a chest on shore from the ship Mars, and on searching it
he found in it 31bs. of foreign manufactured tobacco. It
was stated in defence that the defendant bad been mate of
the Mars, and was appointed master of the Augusta, in the
same employ; that the Mars was on the point of sailing, and
that he was therefore obliged to remove his chest from one
vessel to the other. The tobacco was for his own use, and
had been in port above a month. The boys who carried the
chest were told to take it to the Augusta. They had, how-
ever, told the officer that they were taking it to the defen-
dant's lodging-house ; and as they were not forthcoming to
prove the directions they had received, the defendant was
fined 10s.

STEALING FROM A SHOP

John Griffiths, an old man, was charged with stealing a
keg of butter, value £3 10s, from the shop of Mr. Benjamin
Hornby, on Saturday. The prisoner was seen so deliberately
to take it up and walk off with it by the keeper of the next
shop, that no suspicion was entertained of the act being dis-
honest. A policeman stopped him with it in Pitt-street and
detained him. The prisoner said he had found it in the street.
He was committed for trial.

MR. CHAPMAN'S CHARGES AGAINST THE SUR-
VEYOR TO THE DOCK ESTATE.

Since the meeting of the Dock Committee on Thursday last,
we understand that Mr. Chapman has been requested to re-
duce into writing the charges he had to prefer against Mr.
Hartley, the present Dock Surveyor. Mr. Chapman accord-
ingly sent in his charges in writing, addressed to the chair-
man of the sub-committee of works; and we have been
furnished with a copy of them as follows :
" The Graving Dock for steamers was, it appears, ordered
in January last, for the purpose of holding the large
steamers.

" The largest steam ships then in existence and building,
were the Great Western,' British Queen,' and ` Pre-
sident;' and, therefore, the dock should have been designed
and executed upon a scale capable of affording the required
accommodation.

" That the mud and stone wall, or middle parapet, was
built up about fourteen inches too high, and has since been
taken up.

" That the upper walls of the dock are so constructed
that vessels cannot be shored with safety to either life or
property.

"That the upper walls must be taken down, and thrown
back as far as the present steps, in order to make the dock
efficient and safe.

" HENRY CLEAVER CHAPMAN
" Dec. 5, 1840."

The sub-committee of works, we have been informed, are
now engaged in investigating these charges, but will proba-
bly be prepared to mak a report to the general committee
at their meeting on Thursday next.

NEW SONGS.
It is a Short and Simple Prayer : Sony. The words by
Miss M. A. Browne ; the music by George Hargreaves.
At such a time as this : Sony. The poetry by James Stone-

house; the music by George Hargreaves.
We believe all our readers will be aware, that Mr. George
Hargreaves, the author of the two pieces whose titles are
prefixed to this notice, has already distinguished himself by
several highly meritorious compositions. His works arc
now coming before the public so fast, and are, withal, of such
acknowledged excellence, that we confidently expect to see
him, ere long, taking a high rank amongst the lyrical com-
posers of the day. Mr. Hargreaves has taken the words of
the song first mentioned from Miss Browne's Sacred Poems.
The effusion breathes a spirit of calm and placid resignation,
and the composer has shown his art in adapting the melody
closely to the tone and feeling of the poetry.
Mr. Stonehouse has furnished Mr. Hargreaves with a very
sweet little effusion, to which the composer has done full
justice. Again we may say, that the words and the music
are joined in that blissful state of harmony which the poet
imagined when he said, " Music is wedded to immortal
Verse," The characteristic of both is pathos, but, in the
latter instance, it is pathos relieved by flashes of joyful
feeling.—Albion.

llANtavuo, Nov. 30.--The Austrian government, at
Vienna, has given public notice that the prohibition to ex-
port horses extends to the Italian dominions of Austria.

CORRESPONDENCE.

DINNER TO SIR JOSHUA WALMSLEY

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.
Sin,—There is no situation in the world more palpably
uncomfortable than being placed between two expert duellists,
who riddle your body with the bullets intended for each
other, nor one more calculated to excite in your mind a de-
sire to be doing something on your own account. Such is
my present position, with respect to your correspondents
"Justitia" and " Fiat Justitia," and I am compelled, thou2h
reluctantly, to stand forward in my own defence. To
" Justitia" I am indebtt,d for the gentlemanly manner iii
which he has alluded to me ; but as 1 fear the words " mis-
led by scraps of notes" may be misunderstood, I may say
that for some of these scraps--one of which contained some
Welsh words introduced by Sir Joshua 'Walmsley in the
course of his speech, and another the names of several airs
played by the harper—l am infinitely obliged to the gentle-
men from whom I received them.
I cannot but admire the principles by which " Fiat Jus-
titia" states he is guided in his path through life, which is all
" very good, but nothing to the purpose ;" still. in the ad-
miration of his integrity, as pictured by himself, I-must not
suffer my own to dwindle into a non-entity; and as I have
already stated the facts of the case in a private conversation,
I feel myself called upon, with your permission, to re-state
them publicly.
When I entered the room every gentleman present
was perfectly unknown to me. Whilst enquiring the
names of a few of the gentlemen present, a list was
handed to me by a gentleman across the table. This
was the only list which I received during the evening,
and in it I reposed full confidence. lie saw me slip
it between some folios of copy, and write at the bottom
of one of them, " refer to the list for names," which list 1
never removed, but gave it, with the copy, into the hands of
the compositors. With respect to the names of the Mayor
and Dr. Hughes, although I do not wish to impeach the
" honesty, integrity, and uprightness" of " Fiat Justitia,"
it is very poSsible for him to have made a mistake.
In conclusion, as I have given a clear statement of the
facts as they occurred, I hope all concerned will see the
futility of continuing a correspondence which has 'reference
to an error so venial as to be unworthy the expenditure of
their time and talents, and which is calculated, as appears
from the tenor of the previous letters, to promote misunder-
standing amongst the parties themselves.
I am, sir, very respectfully,
YOUR ASSISTANT REPORTER.

Dec. 5, 181(

[Our readers are more than satisfied with this controversy :
one of the gentlemen at the Welsh Dinner wished for some
explanation as to the names inserted in the STANDARD as
present at that dinner; the party who furnished the list had
an opportunity of replying; our reporter has satisfactorily
explained the part he took in the matter; and, as too much
has already been said on the subject in proportion to its im-
portance, the correspondence must now cease.]

LECTURES ON ECCLESIASTICAL HISTORN

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

Sin,—ln my last letter I pledged myself to the pleasing
task of supplying you with occasional extracts from the course
of lectures on Ecclesiastical History, which are being deli-
vered by the Rev. J. H. Macguire, at St. Helens.

The congregation of last Thursday evening--consisting of
Catholics, Romauists, and Nonconformists—was, indeed, a
very large one; and to me—a churchman from conviction—
the quotations adduced from antiquity, in proof of the three
apostolic orders of our Catholic church, were peculiarly
gratifying.

Mr: Macguire, having stated that he did not take up the
subject that evening with any desire to moot controversy,
but simply because such a procedure, of necessity, fell within
the course of legitimate church history, then proceeded to
show, from Clement and Ignatius, that the orders of bishop,
priest, and deacon were of apostolic institution The follow-
ing quotation from Clement of Rome, a fellow-labourer of
the apostle Paul, and ordained Bishop of Rome A.D. 93,
struck me as peculiarly valuable :
" It will behove us to take care, that, looking into the
depths of the divine knowledge, we do all things in order,
whatsoever our Lord hath conznzanded us to do ; and parti-
cularly that we perform our offerings and service to God, at
their appointed seasons : for these he bath commanded to be
done, not rashly and disorderly, but at certain determinate
times and hours. Therefore he hath ordained, by his su-
preme will and authority, both where and by what persons
they are to be performed; that so all things, being piously
done unto all well pleasing, may be acceptable to him
And the same care must be bad of the persons that minister
unto him. For the child' priest* has his proper services ;
and to the priests their proper place is appointed ; and to
the Levites appertain their due ministrations; and the lay-
man is confined within the bounds of what is commanded to
laymen. Let every one of you, therefore, brethren, bless
God in his proper station, with a good conscience, and with
all gravity, not exceeding the rule of his service that is ap-
pointed to him. THE apostles have preached to us from our
Lord Christ : Jesus Christ from God. Christ, therefore,
was sent by God : the apostles by Christ. So both their
offices were orderly fulfilled, according to the will of God.
For, having received their command, and being fully assured
by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and being
convinced by the Word of God, and the evidence of the
Holy Spirit, they went abroad, publishing that the kingdom
of heaven was at hand. Thus preaching through countries
and cities, and proving by.the Spirit the first fruits of their
conversion, they appointed out of them BISHOPS and mi-
nisters over such as should afterward believe. And in truth
what wonder is it, ff they, to whom such a work was coin-
nzitted by God in Christ, established such officers as we be-
fore mentioned; when even that blessed and faithful servant
in all his house, Moses, set down in the Holy Scriptures all
things that were commanded him? For our apostles knew
by our Lord Jesus Christ, that contentions should arise on
account of the ministry. .And therefore, in perfect foreknow-
ledge of this, they appointed persons, as we have before said;
and then gave direction, how, when they should die, other
chosen and approved men should succeed in their ministry."
—Clem. Rom. Epis. ad Corinth. I. § 40-44.

Ignatius also, Bishop of Antioch A.D. 70.; and contempo-
rary with the Apostles, at least with some of them, writes
thus in his Epistle to the Magnesians :—" Seeing, then, I
have been judged worthy to see you, by Dames your most
'nd by vo,— - - ri
Bassos and .Appollon..., , by my fellow-servant Sotio
the DEACON, in whom I rejoice forasmuch as he is subject
unto his bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery
as to the law of Jesus Christ ; I determined to write unto
you."—lgnat. Eris. ad Maples., p. 2.
Again :—" Forasmuch, therefore, as I have, in the per-
sons before mentioned, seen all of you in faith and charity ;
I exhort you that ye study to do all things in a divine con-
cord (or the concord of God) : your BISHOP presiding in the
place of God; your PRESBYTERS in the place of the council
of the apostles; and your DEACONS most dear to me, being
intrusted with the ministry of Jesus Christ, who was with
the Father before all ages, and appeared in the end to us.
. Let there be nothing that may be able to cause a
DIVISION among you; but be ye united to your BISHOP,
and those who preside over you, to be your pattern and di-
rection in the way to immortality."—lbid, p. 6.
Mr. Macguire cited many other like, indeed stronger,
passages from the Epistles to the Philadelphians, &c. ; but
the above will suffice to shew the absurdity of non-reading
men presuming to set themselves up as unauthorised teach-
ers, in the very teeth of such evidence as places beyond
doubt the fact, that, even independent of scriptural proof,
the three orders of our apostolic church, as now recognised
in these realms, commend themselves to our suffrage by the
concurrent testimony of all ages.

The quotations urged against the Popish coinage of Peter's
supremacy, struck me as extremely pertinent. Really one
would be led to imagine that the primitive Christians, in
their " expositions," had somewhat of prophetic insight as
to the figments to be palmed upon the world in the subse-
quent ages of the church's history. I shall, with your per-
mission, forward a few of these citations in my next.
I am, sir, your obedient servant,
St. Helens, Dec. 2d, 1840. PACIANUS.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

Six,—May I be allowed, through the medium of your
paper, to bring before the proper authorities the dangerous
and illegal practice of the road-makers about this town
placing large stones along that part of the road on which they
wish to prevent the public travelling, and allowing them to
remain on the road all night, to the imminentdanger of those
travelling at night. A case of this kind occurred last week,
in a dark part of Smithdown-lane, which had nearly caused
an accident of the same kind as the inelancholy and fatal one
that lately occurred in Islington. At the same time I wish
to bring before the Improvement Committee, or other parties
whose duty it is to attend to it, the extremely dangerous
state of Smithdown-lane, from the corner of Aigburth-street,
on the right-band side, to the corner of Upper Parliament-
street, along which there is a deep precipice, unprotected
either by wall or railing, and in case of a restive or frightened
horse would most certainly be attended with fatal conse-
quences. Along Aigburth-street, in front, are several deep
ponds of water, sufficient to drown fifty men, quite close up
to the street; also without the slightest protection of any
kind. It it inexcusable, when we are so severely taxed by
our local authorities, that the public should have so little
attention paid to their safety.—Your obedient servant,
3d Dec. 1840. OBSERVER.

THE OXFORD TRACTARIANS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

cannot sufficiently admire the resolution you have
arrived at, to refuse further to notice the foolish and oft re-
futed doctrines put forward by certain gentlemen, whose ex-
treme sensitiveness about an appropriate name renders it
almost impossible fitly to designate them. Your determina-
tion will at once free yourself from an unpleasant duty, and
will not afford the persons 1 have alluded .to an opportunity
of explaining away the obvious tendency of their ultra views,
which is their main object in wishing to prolong a contro-
versy, which would not in all probability be productive of
much utility to either party. Your task was au easy one,
but if the Tractarians (if this term will please them) be really
desirous of arriving at the truth, there is abundance of excel-
lent works already written to convince any unprejudiced mind.
Yours, &c.
LEGULEIUS.