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Being asked was there much conversation on the subject
among the officers? He replied, "Not before I made the
report, lot after there was."
" Have you heard Law call the chaplain a hypocrite ?
" 1 think I have.
" Have you heard him speak disrespectfully of him on
other occasions ?
" Yes, I think I have •
" Have you heard him say we have overthrown the chap-
lain ?
" I think he has said " 'd

the chaplain would he overthtt,..
The Governor's Evidence.—" Law once made a report to
me about what took place.in chapel. I told him to commit
it to paper. The paper now produced is the report. Two or
three officers came to me. I did not lay the report before
the magistrates.
" At the time of receiving the paper from Law. relative to

rJr. Buck's preaching, I deemed it of importance_
communicate its contents to him, nor lay it before the m._
gistrates. The entry in the Governor's Journal on the 11th
June, 1839, and in the Magistrates' Journal in reference to
it, had reference to orders for admission by the magistrates
contrary to the rules, and to Dr. Buck's preaching on, that
occasion, both combined. In telling Dr. Buck it had refer-
ence to the magistrates, I did not also tell him it had refer-
ence to him. I shewed *Dr. Buck the whole of the rules re-
ferred to in the entry. I also said to him, both.you and I
are probably breaking these rules according to the strict let-
ter. I have not that lam aware of any papers affecting the
character of the chaplain. I think I have some copies, the
originals being gone.- I think it a turnkey offers any infor-
mation to me, I have a perfect right, in my own discretion.
to tell him to put it on paper, and to act on it or not as I

I did not

please, or to commu

m or not
of the en

any exr

in my Jourr

to the nu
that a sl

tween the chaplain' and me, and I did n(
that was the sole cause.
Whereas Law has previously sworn-,--" I was ordered to
draw up a report. The governor ordered me. I believe the
governor and chaplain were then on extremely unfriendly
term's."

h to revive it—

It so happened, gentlemen, as you have seen from the go-
vernor's evidence, that he made an entry in his journal. He
told Me, you will perceive, that it had one meanidg. He has
told you now it had two. Though, at the time the entry was
made, and you called for explanation, he declined to give any,
on that occasion you enfered a reproof in your journal. I
have not been successful in obtaining copies of either of these
entries, or I should be able to make some remarks on them,
which many might think well deserved and richly merited.
I shall satisfy myself by entering Mr. Bacheldoes apology
for the line of conduct he pursued : " I never gave any expla-
nation of the entry in my journal to the magistrates. My
reason for detaining the papers was, that a _ short time pre-
vious there was a little dissention be
me, snd I did not wish to revive it.

Aween the chaplain and
That was the sole cause."

The turnkey, Law, _
The governor ordered me. I believe the
lain were then on extremely unfriendly terms
This, gentlemen, shews that kindness to me was not the
cause of his silence, but a full conviction that if the affair
were then inquired into, he could have established no case
against me. It was therefore needful to lay it by in secret
for eighteen months. The• chaplain might then not find it
so easy to reply.

" I was ordered to make a report.
governor and chap-

I forbear making other remarks which the case justly calls
for.

My observations on such a system are not brought before:
you now for the first time. On the 7th of November, 1838,
you had the subject brought to your notice by the following
entry in my journal :
" I cannot but call most earnestly on the magistrates to
cause to be overthrown the wretched system of espionage,
which prevails at present in this prison, where there •is not
an officer who is not watched in the most unfair way one.
against the other, all confidence in each other being in con-,
sequence destroyed. But, above all, I beg of them to do
away with the secret examination of prisoners, by the gover-
nor, against even the chaplain of the establishment ; a sys-
tem so despicable, so fraught with evil, so certain to lead to
the worst possible Consequences amongst the men confined."
My prognostic is now verified, and a place which was, un-'
til within two or three weeks since, in apparent peace, is now
distracted to the most alarming extent—the secret system:
being the cause of all--a system which our best writers have
declared to be aimed at the destruction of the innocent, and
the advancement of the most base and unprincipled.
I thought I saw (I hope I was not deceived) a burst of
manly, of English feeling, a burst of horror and indignation,
escape some of the gentlemen attending a late committee at
the gaol, when these long hoarded papers were first produced.
I•thought they were regarded as vipers to be shunned, as
fiends to be avoided. I know that at the time I expressed
my hopes that the justices would not allow of espionage, Sit

Joshua Walmsley spoke at the moment in proper
tion, saying, Dr. Buck, you surely do not mean to accuse the
magistrates of this committee with employing spies. I there.
fore thought that the death warrant of these papers was
signed. I was deceived : they are still in being, and their
venomous sting is directed against me. I learn that the way
in which evidence is procured is no answer to the charge
founded on that evidence : I therefore proceed in my reply
to the fifth charge specifically.