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would have altered his own conduct in 'this respect ; bu
could not agree with the vote. (Cheer 3.)
Mr. SIIEIL said that, having beep personally alluded to by
one of the gentlemen who had just addressed the council, he
thought it necessary to trouble them with a few remark's. In
the first place he begged to ask what the language was which
he had made use of, and which, it was said, should have been
stopped by the chair ?
Mr. HODGSON rose, but
Mr. SHELL refused to give way. He would have the exact
language, because he had never sought protection from the
chair, and now that he was about to retire from the council,
he would not allow the matter to rest unexplained.
Mr. HonGSON begged to be permitted to say one word.
Mr. SUEIL requested of the e-entleman to keep himself as
quiet as possible. (A laugh.) 'He knew that it was a diffi-
cult matter for some men to keep themselves quiet, but be
begged of Mr. Hodgson to try the experiment that time.
(Renewed laughter from the radicals.) He would not retire
from the council without having an opportunity afforded him
for defending himself and explaining any language of which
he might have made use. At the same time he was uncon-
scious of having used any unbecoming language, and he
hoped he had never been so far forgetful of what was due to
himself and the council as to ba guilty of such a charge.
But again he asked—what was the language ?
Mr. HODGSON said he had made no such charge. He had
told Mr. Shell before that he found no fault with the lan-
guage he had used. (Hear.)
Mr. SHELL proceeded to say Mr. Hodgson was so excita-
ble a creature that he permitted himself to be carried away
to such an extent—so wrapped up was he in his own views,
and so overpowered was his understanding—that, no matter
what the language used might be, he applied it to himself.
(Laughter from the conservatives.) He (Mr. Shell) was
glad to see Mr. Hodgson's friends in such good humour.
But Mr. Hodgson had no patienee ; he never allowed his
judgment to act, but he always supposed that he was alluded
to when a man might have no more idea of alluding, to him
than he bad of alluding to the man in the moon. (Laugh-
ter.) In mentioning the man in the moon, he hoped that
Mr. Hodgson would not suppose that he alluded to him for
a single moment. (Continued laughter.)
The CHAIRMAN—Address yourself to me, if you please,
not the council.
Mr. Sulam admitted that they were a little disorderly on
the occasion ; but, as it was the last time they would ever
meet again, it was, perhaps, somewhat allowable. (Hear,
and laughter.) Again he wished to know the language ; and,
in putting the question, he alluded, not to Mr. Hodgson,
but to Mr. Birkett.
Mr. BiIIKETT—You said certain persons werelinsane, and
such language as that was certainly anything but correct.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. SHELL admitted that he had made a general assertion
that some were insane on the subject of religion, and that
their minds were warped ; but Mr. Hodgson had not spoken
at the time, and why the gentleman should suppose that lie
(Mr. S.) alluded particularly to him was his affair. He
hoped he would explain that satisfactorily. lie was glad to
have the present opportunity of explaining what he said,
and the circumstances under which he had said it ; for it
must then be clear that the mayor could not have called him
to order for having made use of a general assertion. (Hear.)
The statistical returns showed that more men had been sent
to mad-houses for having lost their reason on religious sub-
jects than any other. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear." With
respect to the long rigmarole from Mr. Birkett, what had it
amounted to? Simply this;—that he was out of order so
often the mayor had to call him to it. (A. laugh.) The coun-
cil would never sanction the mayor in putting down any man
if he were not out of order. With respect•to Mr. Harbord,
who had been the cause of the whole proceedings, what were
the circumstances ? That gentleman had got up and asked a
question, the bearing of which was, to draw a distinction be-
tween the members of the council. (Uproar.)
Mr. Hmtuoun.—False, It is not right to have state-
ments of this kind go before the public which are not true.
(Hear.) I asked the question for the purpose of being
guided in my vote. (Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN.—I hope Mr. Harbord will see the ne-
cessity of withdrawing the word " false."
Mr. Hattuoan.-74 withdraw the word "false," and say
it's not true." (Hear. If you allow gentlemen in an indi-
rect way to allude to others, and to call them fashionable
names, and that we cannot seek for redress, then I say that
there is partiality still in the chair. (Cheers.)
Mr. SHELL would prove what he had said. He had already
stated that the gentleman asked a question, the tendency of
which was to draw a distinction between the religion of the
different members of the council. (" No, no," from the
conservatives.) Then he would put the question, for he
liked to prove his position. The gentleman stood up and
asked " Is the person a member of the Church of England ?"
and he (Mr. S.) would put it to any one, whether such a
question, when asked in reference to a person who was about
to be placed over a school, had not a tendency to draw a dis-
tinction between the different members of the community ?
What had Mr. Harbord himself said? That he asked it in
order that he.might know how he should vote ; and yet this
was not to make a distinction ! Why, it was a sort of insult
to the understanding to say the contrary. It was nonesense
and the word " nonesense" he hoped was not too strong,
(A laugh.) Afterwards Mr. Harbord said that he had a
respect fol the Roman Catholics. lie (Mr. S.) expected the
ward " love" from him ; but he supposed lie had that sort
of love for Roman Catholics which the great patron of his
party bad for holy water. (Laughter.)
Mr. BLACKBURN said that, as he had been alluded to in
the.course of the debate, he wished to observe that the words
malice prepense" had been used by him in a jocular man-
ner. (" Oh i oh !" from the conservatives,) Ile never in-
tended to apply any such words to Mr. Gladstone, who had
studied the newspapers for the purpose of convicting him of
inconsistency ; but be had not used the words in a vindictive
sense, (Hear.) Ha felt that he had done wisely in pro-
posing the vote of thanks, because he had heard tiothing of
unfair dealing on the part of the mayor.
Mr, G.LansTosE expressed himself satisfied with Mr.
Blackburn's explanation, He confessed that he had left the
council on the day in question under the impression that the
words had been used in the worst possible feeling. (Hear,
hear.) He knew not what meaning Mr. Blackburn attached
to the words " malice prepense," It was language that gen-
tlemen were not in the habit of using ; it was language that
should not be tolerated in the council ; and lie was surprised
that the mayor on the occasion had not called him to order
for it. (Hear.) He found himself in a painful predicament
at that moment, because, although he entertained strong
views on political subjects, he never would sell himself to do
an injury to any man ; but he must confess that be had been
one of those who opposed the election of the present mayor
on the conviction, in his own mind, that he was not the most
desirable man to be elected ; and that conviction had been
ratheic strengthened than weakened since he entered office.
(Hear, hea,) With good intentions the mayor had meant to
do well, but that hi.i,cdnduct had been marked by partiality
there was no doubt inhis•n4o4. (He pointed to Mr. Hodg-
son as an instance in which it had been exhibited ; and he
would ask the council whether the fact of thap gentleman's
opinions not being what they formerly were Was not thp real
bone of contention against him? (Hear.) On due occasion
the very alderman who then sat in the chair entertained the
opinions which Mr. Hodgson did at present. There was no
doubt Xii. 4 Mr. Hodgson had every right to hold strong
religioua',opibipn.s.; but was he, on that account, to he a
'marked. man!? dear.) He )(Mr. G.) once differed
with 'Mr. gOdgson; but gentleman were tolurn to the
other side to-Morre4'he wool treat himwith'that respect
which his conduct deserved. '.(Chee'Ea.) Ny...RlOgtone con-
Anded by again expressing hi's opinion as•nnfayOurable tp the
?payer as regarded his partiality. •
Mr. 4itct*pop3plaioed of a want of charity upon the part
of those who prided themselves oil their religion and beneVo-
knee, and expressed a. lope that the tnayOr would overcome
tie 4,pwnelatioas of isen whose ,leww4l9o carried little
force,
Mr, G. if, 1-.A.w4gNp.p thought the mayor had kepn
cently guilty Dian erVgtr in jaCIPPP!'4 ia presiding at a meet-
ing called for the futile Pni*Pl:oe of PiObar4ssing her Ma-
jesty's ministers. (Hear.) Fie thought it injOici.o§ of the
mayor to have lent himself to such a purpose i 1;3 this was
the only ground of difference he had with him,
Mr. YATES said the meeting in question had been con-
vened for the purpose of considering and remedying the dis-
tress which pervaded the land.
The CHAIRMAN here asked whether he was to understand
that no amendment had been moved. (" You are.") Then,
said he, the motion has been carried with the exception of
the Fentlernen who have expressed their sentiments against it.
MbSt /AP Conservatives here left the council ; after

which
The MAYoit returned tliaas. He entered office with an
intention of faithfiilly and ittiOrtitiiv 4iccbarging its duties.
He admitted that he made use an er.pression
which ought not to have fallen' from him'; but,'lv4en hs
withdrew it, the matter ought to have ended. • (1-tear,dhear':)
4..fter replyin,r.to a few of the accusations brodght against
him, bepcnpliided by saying that he had ever endeavoured tb
act • uponpf doing to Others as he would be
done. by.
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LIVERPA:)Of? CM-MT PZcHANGE, OcT 26

The OPPoorailjPg. Pr9sIWAP 11,1"Mers or some tune
pact, occasioned by the heavy rang pl.'Ayalent., With .slight
intermisgibus, duriOg the greater part of 0.1;e pre e 4, mouth,
have been relieved by a favourable uhange' the INve4er
since our report of Tuesday lasf, Affording Wopes of their
able shortly to commence sowinz Wheat, which histherto,
from the exceedingly wet state of the soil, has been wholly
impracticable in this district ; meanwhile every possible effort
is being used in order to save the remainder of the potatOes,
which, in many situations, but more especially in the low.
lands recently under water, are found to have been seriously
damaged of this important article of food, however, and of
the corn crops around us, the latter having been nearly all
secured, in September and the first week of this month, a
more accurate opinion may, ere long, be formed. We may,
nevertheless, observe, that although extremely varied, and in
most cases deficient, the bulk of the new Wheat already
brought in by the neighbouring growers proves better in both
quality and condition than is described by our advices from
many other parts of the kingdom.
The duties for the ensuing week are increased on Foreign
Wheat to 21s. Bd., on Barley to 10s. 10d., on Rye to 145.,
on Beans and Pease to Bs. per quarter, on Flour to 14s. 10c1.
per barrel; those on Foreign Oats and on all British Colo-
nial' produce remeiniag unaltered.
' Tri cottseglient'e of adverse winds, we are very scantily
su'p'plied' with 'Gain,'Flour;' and' Oatmeal, coastwise ?TO
'froth lreland; and from 4,ibroaci*'we' have ' uorre fresh up for

Wiihout apparent briskness in any branch of the
trade here frorp Tuesday's market td to=day, we have
little business to notice during that time beyond occasional
sales of the leading articles gf)on a limited scale.r for inirriecli-
ate purposes; but the sellers pontinuing to evince unabated
goadeppe, the general quotations of pnr last cirpular re-
mained Ateady.

Upon a very slender attendance of :country buyers et ow
Corn Exchange this morning, the nbseriPo of
spFenlatiye
in-
quiry, and our local millers taking merely sufficient to serve
their present wants ; the transactions in foreign Wheat were
only moderate, whilst of English we had scarcely any. sant=
pies offering, and the general runs of Irish were difficult of
sale : all descriptions of this Grain, however, continued to
support the late value, the holders steadily refusing to submit
to lower terms.—Engish, Irish, and foreign Flour ruled nearly
the same in all respects as last noted.
In Barley, Malt, and Beans, no change was apparent.—
Pease, being more saleable, were again ls. to 2s. per quarter
dearer,

Ofd Acts, heipg scarce, and wanted for provender, rather
excekded'the advanced rates, of Tuesday ; but in any kind of
NeW thereiva4'.iiii'PriprovclpenP.—Oatmeal, although in
rieepest, fully nial`ntaidedfformer,r--r, pFiseg.
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LIVERPOOL COTTON IORKET, D. Zo.
Another dull and tame day in ouk Co4on.:mark.et, the
sales not exceeding 2,800 to :.,090 hales, barely 4t yesterdai's
prices.---The weekly sales amount to 22,910 hales, Of 'N;vliich
1750 are to speculators, and 600 to exporters. Prices on the
whole scarcely as high as this dal week, and lie Cjose heavify,

COTTON MARKET, Novmussil.
We have no new feature in our Cotton market, it is tame,and dull, as it possibly can be, yet prices remain firm and steady,
without any decline ; the quantity sold on Saturday was 3000 bales,
and to-day 3500, all to the day.

COTTON MARKET.—WEEKLY REPORT.
The Trade has bought sparingly throughout the week ; and, as
the quantity offering has been considerable, prices of American
have given way id per lb, at which reduction the market closed
rather dull than otherwise. Brazil and Egyptian without material
'change, but almost nominal at the quotations. Speculators have
taken almost 1600 American and 150 Surat, and Exporters 600 Surat.
800 Surat are announced for public sale on Friday next 160
American have been forwarded unsold into the country this month.