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sir, to be grave. This prophecy, so provokinsslv.true,:contains
a statement provkingty false against the .Rev. Mr. 'Sullivan.
Neither on any former occasion, nor on this day, has he. uttered.
any false charge against the Church of Rutile,—neither. has
he uttered one syllable, which, in the mind of any impartial
man, contains a vestige of personality. (Hear, hear, and
cheers.) If so, where are the proofs ? It is easy to
cr,y . out " Misrepresentation !" "Calumny !" with all their
other adjuncts: but, let the who are the misrepresenters of
the Church of Rome? Who are the calumniators? Who is
the man that advances false charges.aga.inSt that Church? Mr.
Chairman, suppose the Archbishop of Canterbury had an object
to Obtain with some Socitian community, and that he perceived
that, in order to obtain his. object, that Socinian community
must be made to think well of his church and himself. And
suppose him going to them and saying, " I do entreat you not
to hearken to the bigotted misrepresentations of interested
in-
dividuals, who represent my church as now maintaining the
mysterious dogmas of the Trinity and the incarnation—it is
true. she did hold these things in a former age ;---(Hear,
hear, and laud continued cheers;)—but she has become more en-
lightened by associating with you liberal gentlemen, and dues
not hold those doctrines now. Nothing but the veriest deter-
mination to calumniate can persevere in ascribing to her those
dark and mysterious dogmas." This would sound well—it
might throw dust in many eyes. But suppose a Socinian to
stand up who bad the liberty of examining fur himself, and say,
"Year Grace, may. I take the liberty to inquire, have you not
signed the thirty-nume articles? -Are not the doctrines in ques-
tion there ? 0, your Grace, your Grace ! You have two ob-
jects in view : one amongst your own people by signing the ar-
ticles ; the other amongst us by denying' the doctrines you
have sworn to: 0, your Grace, the Church of England does
hold these doctrines. Your Grade must stand or fall by them.
And yet you come to dvy them. But you are detected: your
• church,is still barbarous, and yourselves-7we Socinians are too
polite to say What you are. - (Laughter and cheers.) Who
is the man, then, that misrepresents the. Church of Rome ? Is
it the Bev. Mortimer O'Sullivan or the most di,ev..Dr. Mur-
ry v.—(Cheers.) lie is the misrepresenter of Popery, because
he is the denier of her established formulariei. I shall have
occasion to advert, .and I shall do it as briefly as possible, ,to a
few Of those formularies, in order to fasten more satisfactorily.
the charge upon the church of Remo, whose doctrines and
their.; practical operatien in: these days, has called our Pro-.
.testaut AssociatiOn into existeoce.—(Hear, hear! and cheers.)
You have beard, 'sir, aud tail whole assembly have heard,
.where the accredited formularies of the church of atoine.are to
'be found The creed of Pope Pius IV. has 'been again and
again alluded to: it 'has been set forth; not merely by Pro-
testant mi.srepresenters, as lye are calumniouslY and falsely
called, but by Roman Catholics themselves,: as the must
"authentic summary of their ftirmularies. Dr. Milner, the
'author of, the celebrated book called " The End of Contro-
yersy," says the creed of Pius IV. is every where received :and
professed, as the 'groundwork 'of Catholicism; and Doctor
Doyle, when examined before a committee of the House of
Lords, said, The most approved and authentic summary of
the creed of
.the Church of Rome will be found in the decrees
oftne!Chuncit of Trent, sod iu the, profession of faith by Pius
IV.. and in what we call the Runtish catechism of the Council
of Trerit."''",Similar was the answer of. Doetor. Murray
to tlist.Cornmissioners of the. House of Commons.—(Hear.)
You: observe 11,11 V that the creed of Pius the 4th is here referred
to by th'eniselves. You have heSid one passage of that creed
already read by r.-O'Sullivaii. I will not read the whole,
but just refer to it .to set it again before your minds Like-
wise all other thiugs deliVered, defined, and declared by the sa-
.cred eanoni and the general council 3, and particularly
.by the
sacred Council of, Trent, I. unhesitatingly. receive and profess."
This occurs in the forth of the oath taken by every Roman Ca-
tholic clergynian on his induction to a benefice. It binds him
tad' that is contained in the councils, espeCially.that of Trent.
The Council of Trent, at its 25th 'session, declares concerning
the 4th COuneil of Lateran, held under Innocent the 3d, that it
was a poneratcouncil, and in the 24th session, of the same coun-
cil, it is declared to be a sacred council. The Council of Late-
ran declares, that "secular princes shall, if necessary, be com-
pelled, if they .desire to be accounted faithful, that for the
defence. of the faith they shall publicly make oath that
they will endeavour,- bona fide, with all their might, to ex-
tirpate (ruin their kingdoms all heretics marked by the
.church. And the object of it is stated at the end of the next
paragraph : —" That the heretics being exterminated, good ca-
tholics shall, without contradiction, posiess the land, and pre-
serve it in the purity of the faith." (Hear, hear.) Sir, I al-
ways feel, whether in speaking myself on these subjects, or ob-
serving the effect of other persons in speaking, that the neces-
sary detail in order to gather elements for our conclusion,
becomes sismewhat heavy and. tiresome to the listeners. But
without some patience and attention you cannot get at anything
really worth carrying away. I shall endeavour to relieve you
presently by a different species of address, but at present I must
crave your attention. The creed of Pius IV. contains this
'statement, in the oath administered to the priests,—that they
"untsesitating,ly profess and receive'ail that is contained in their
general councils, especially the Council of Trent." Turn to
Trent--Trent turns them back to another, which it calls gene-
ral and sacred. Turn to the other, and it binds them to the
persecution unto extermination of heretics.--(Hear.) So that
the oath of
.the priests binds them to the creed of Pope Pius
IV,—Pius IV. binds them to Trent,—Trent binds them to La-
teran,—and Lateran binds them to the extermination of heretics.

—(Applause.l .This is the line of argument. There is.another
source from which a similar conclusion may be deduced. The
canon law of the Church of Rome is another of her authentic
documents, with. the contents of which she is justly chargeable.
Its definition has been given by Dr. Murray, in an.exatnination
before a select committee of the House of Commons, on the 17th
May, 1825. From this we learn, that when a decree comes forth
from the Pope, concerning matters of doctrine, if not dissented
from by a majority of the bishops of the church dispersed, it by
their silence assumes the aspect of the opinion of the church,.
which is infallible, and thereupon becomes binding on every
catholic. : Here is the eighth volume of Dens. It contains de-
crees from Popes, put forth in the very manner specified in the
question and:answer embodied in the„exanaination of Dr. Mur-
ray. It contains decrees not dissented from—decrees now by
Dr. Murray's ownlastletter assented to. Therefore these hulls
of the Pope's being put forth as a challenge to the bishops of
the church dispersed, to ascertain whether they believe in and
accede to the doctrines contained in those bulls, and having
passed muster,—that is, the dispersed bishops not having dis-
sented from them, nay, rather having actually assented to them,
—become the rule of the Roman Catholic Church, and in the

language of Dr. Murray, every catholic is bound to submit to
them. I will read a. passasie from one of them. It occurs at
page. 176 of thO eighth :Volume of Deus, under the head 0
Restitutio
"Real property taken by an enemy in an unjust war, suppose
by pirates, infidels, heretics, &c., even if it be bought by the
e,nantur a fidelibuo;—oughts nevertheless, to be
restored to its proper owner, no price being ;exacted for the
same, which decree was formally made by the congregation'for
propagating the, faith, in the year 1630,.wh05e-opinion-Benedict
Xiy, admits in his Epistle to P. Nicolaus Lercari. the secretary
of the same-congregation. (Bullariuin, tom. No. 57.) But
as to chattel property, the saute congregation thought that it
should be restored by the purchasers-to its lawful owner, the
price for• which it was bought being, however, exacted from him.
In, this; however, Benedict XIV. does not pronounce his judg-
ment."
This decree was formally made by the congregation for pro-
pagating the faith in 1630. Here is a decree from the Pope
respecting the restitution of forfeited property. It is put forth
to the dispersed bishops. They do nut dissent;—it becomes a
condition of the churchthe infallible rule to which every Ca-
tholic is bound to submit. (Hear, hear.) This is, in the book
chosen for the teaching of the Catholic .priests. There is for-
feited property in Ireland now, and every one is bound 'to submit
the very. moment that outward circumstances will allow to the
restitution of that property to in original owner,—yea, though
such may,'in the mean time, have been purchased-by the faith-
ful. (Hear, and cheers.) The defence made against the charge
here brought against the Church of Rome before the House of
Commons was--" It is impossible we can contemplate the resti-
tution..of property in Irelaud." Why? "Because a large
proportion of the forfeited property has been bought by Catho-
lics. '• The reason Sufficed to blind the committees. it con-
vinced some. of ,our senators. Mr. Brownlow gave ,it as his
reason for changing his opinion respecting what was called
Catholic emancipation. Yet the case thus put forth as the satis-
fying circumstance is one of the very cases supposed in the de-
cree and provided for: "Si emantur a fidelibns. 'Though it be,
tiought by the faithful it must be restored. (Cheers.) But_ the
most Reverend DoctOr Murray and others 'have sworn to the
contrary. here is the declaration made on oath of the arch-
bishops and 'bishops of the Church of Ireland to the late Lord
Liverpool: • • • . , .
",The Catholics of Ireland, far from claiming any. right or
title to ferfeitedlands resulting from any right, title, or interest
Which their ancestors may have had therein, declare upon oath,
that they will defend to the utmost ortheir.power,,the settle-
Ment and arrangement of property in this country as established
by the laws now in being. They also,disclaim, disavow, and
Solemnly 'abjure any. intention to subvert the present church
establishmeot for the purpose of substituting a Catholic estab-
lishnient in its stead.. And, further, they swear they will not
exercise an privilege to which they are or -may be entitled, to
disturb and weakau the Protestant religion and, Protestant
government in Ireland."
Now, observe this,—the Pope .puts forth. a decree that real
property taken .by-enemies is to be restored. This goes forth to
the bishops of the church disperied. They do not object to it,—
it becomes the law of the church infallible,- and every Catholic
is bound to submit to it, Dr. Murray and his coadjutors, the
archbishops and bishops of -Ireland, are asked by England's
Prime Minister, what their opinions and determinations are
respecting forfeited property. They know theAPope sent this
—they know they did not object to it—they know (not object-
ing to it) it has become the infallible rule of the church—and
every Catholic it bound to submit to it. And what do they say ?
"So far from aCkuowledging any right or title to. forfeited lands,
We declare upon! oath that we will defend, to the utmost of our
power, the 'present arrangement." Who then is the.misrepre-
senter of the church of. Rome—who is the calumniator ?
it is quite dbvious that it would not have anarvered-ahe purposes,
of the church of Rome honestly to have acknowledged the priu
ciples contained in this and similar books whichare the iufallible
rules of their church. It is obvious that.such an acknowledg-
ment would have created so- great -a majority against them in
this country as to have rendered utterly hopeless any idea of
their regaining their political ascendancy. What then was to
be done? ,Flow were these documents to be. maintained in un-
disputed power over the Roman Catholic minds and at the Kline
time te.be concealed from the impertinent and premature curi-
osity of Protestants ? Here was a problem to be solved. We
may imagine some such debate going on as this, "One way to
accomplish our object will be to secure .that these documents
shall not be translated into the vulgar tongue ;—keep them io
Latin, that is the first thing : well, but some Protestants know
Latin. (A laugh.) Aye, we are sorry for it, but we must check
the circulation of the Latin books as much as we can. And
what more must we do? Oh! we bishops must swear that we
do not agree.to the doctrines. Most people in England will be-
lieve us; many of them know nothing about the matter, and,
the few who do, will nutbe believed against the solemn oath of the
archbishops and, bishops. We will raise the cry of ' r,o bigotry,
—no calumny;'—this will fall in with the liberal temper of the
people•d d shall find no difficulty in raising a
of England ami we
cry of 'no bigotry.' Whilst our opponents will have to stein the
whole tide of popular opinion. But ,those few inconvenient
Piotestants who know Latin, and will read, will attempt to raise
against us that of no popery.' But see, they will have the whole
tide of public opinion against them for a while—l ,hope not al-
ways. (Cheers.) They will not be able to raise that cry of 'no
`no
the bigotry.' )igotry.' i
nation
be
-f
the ay oan bn and
ev'v. shall be ill .be
aw b
l
ee beaten; a cry of
if
I lieve us for a while, we shall gain such power that we will pre-
sently let them all see- Dens—we will not be afraid of them."
e them;Thii is precisely the position of the conflict at the present mo-
ment. The-nation . has believed them—it has believed practi-
cally. It has acted upon its charitable belief, and if it should
persevere as it is now doing, they will soon have gained the van-
tage ground they aim at. (Cheers.) If the nation.continaes
to call us bigots—if it continues to brand the Rev. Robert
M‘Ghee and the Rev. Mortimer O'Sullivan as calumniators,
and to.receive with all cordiality, like Mr. Janice, cf Hereford,
—(a laugh)—the statements of the most Rev. Dr. Murray,
th, n. beyond a iloubt,, England will fall again under ,papal
t s ranny. onsof -, • never !".)
fall will fall with warnino ringing :. And if she
-up and warning,again, and to Tepel the approaches in her. eat JLotid
cheers.) Protestant. Associations are rising
-her to raise the right tone of genoine christianity in the landof that abominable jesuitical