The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-12-21 00:00:00

LIVERPOOL PROTESTANT OPERATIVE

ASSOCIATION

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universary meeting of the Liverpool Protestant
ltbe Association was held on the evening of Friday, in
il 81C,,,,8a11y Bold-street, and was most numerously at-
hi'l
B,3"tany clergymen and gentlemen were present. In-
tO Crowded was the room that great numbers wer
cibtain admission. The Rev. Hugh M`Neile was

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to the chair.
AiRmAN, on taking his seat, was loudly applauded
the cheering had subsided he said—My Christian
b;:iwelearn in our Bibles that the hearts of all men, from
6!%e st to the lowest, the hearts of kings and rulers, by
thellaetromentality the nations of the earth are governed,
hindo arts of tens of thousands of our people, are all in
141,3 °f God, who turns them whithersoever he will, and
‘8 ell their devices, deliberations, and decisions accord-
Elie counsel of his own will, and for the furtherance
tioteirnt4l success of the purposes of his infinite wisdom.
ierto Imvilege to be assured that nothing, however minute,
foraeytaoked, and nothing however apparently disastrous
tune can eventually miscarry. All things
'tthis the divine record, and nothing less than this) work
re good to them that love God. The wisdom which
loilitiled this high truth has revealed also the determina-
a the good
God, that those whO love him shall ask him
e good things which he has determined shall be
114-;arnal men, elated with philosophical acuteness, and
`of sr under a sense of sin, may cavil at this ; but it is
wisty,t. pleasant, and unspeakable comfort to those who
kh,tuiln themselves the workings of the spirit of Christ
vriVeir minds to high and holy things, and acknowledg-
-44 them the constraining love of the Saviour of Sin-
ki_!ti the Prince of the Kings of the earth. (Hear, hear.)
they have pleasure in presenting all their requests
Int their soul, their bodies, their families, their
1, their countries, their 'fellow-creatures—all before
° such prayer it is your privilege now to be invited,
ta-6 our present objects known to him who loves us. I
4,a°,* call upon my reverend brother, Mr. Ould, to ask
rhe 'tossing through Chtist. (Hear, hear.)
1,;._ v. FIELDING OurA) having implored the divine

iTerai,
)ItoCii.airtaLat4 continued :—My Christian friends—a
4 Portant and in some respects a painful, part of the
of
our God concerning us during the present period of
'4; 841d's history, is, that we should be controversialists.
4 we
s, team in our-Bibles. So long as . falsehood in one
ranar other is natural to man, carrying with it the rnajo-
a,..ae great majority, so long must those who love truth,
4threally influenced by it, beg involveed in
open c
and
st tea of falsehood; but gagainst cold professors of
Nth
", who, not being influenced by the truth, and really
Laeltog about it, are urrviilling to be disturbed from their
ease: and therefore dislike controversy as a needless
t„
er of society. There is no new thing under the sun.
ri;:ld the Jewish prophets, our Lord and Saviour Jesus
himself, and after him his inspired apostles, all en-
Odin this species of controversy. The teachers of Baal
liadvocated and propagated idolatry, and the false teach-
led the false prophets in Israel who daubed the wail
p nternpered mortar saying peace, peace, when there was
stplike'Lle Peace, rendered it imperative upon the faithful wit-
aranB for Jehovah to be engaged' in controversy and, ac-
ttlillY,.slle true prophets were controver'sialists. A simi-
aa:etssity was imposed upon Christ himself by the Sad.
e,•B who denied the resurrection, and even the existence
egais or spirits, and by the Pharisees who, though they
: 'at deny the truth in words, yet rendered it of no effect
ite,ftehing for doctrine the commandments of men. Ir
iiit'suner the apostles were compelled to be controversi•
le:,!gainst evil teachers inculcating Jewish ceremonies, in-
:l4"o`,l the traditions of men, the rudiments of the world,
ore f`ary humility, the worshipping of angels, abstinence
late'sod, and suet; like—to whom the apostles did not give
: _no not for an hour, in order that the truth of Christ
1/41: continue among the brethren. So at was then, so it
iiiii'en ever since, and so it is now. .We have to contend
°Pen deniers of the truth, who deny the scriptures alto-
be`r as the socialists; we have to contend against those
fseeProPagate idolatry in despite of the scriptures as the
quilts ; and with those who without' boldly denying
thies 4, yet slyly and covertly introduce another gospel
la 'is not another, destroying its power, perverting the
lilie•
as p itY of the gospel of Christ by mixtures of Judaism
iiie atanisrn and Romanisna, teaching for doctrine the tra-
-11. na of men, under the pretence of reverence for antiquity.
4 tar, hear.) In the midst of all these we have entrusted
1,11 a: the Holy Scriptures, which command us expressly
,iawatiY to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.
a ,then is controversy to be avoided? . Suppose we were
'utious as our quiet neighbours to avoid controvewrhayst
,
Neneould we do it? Surrounded by all these errors,
T; We do ? Must We shut our Bibles and close our mouths?
tw v4II say no—we do not mean that. (Cheers.) Then
°Pen our Bibles and open our mouths immediately we
et
vcoatroversialists, for our Bibles cannot speak without
raversy in the midst of surrounding falsehoods. Yet we
are• 'flatly nominal friends—l hope some of them real friends,
4h they be timid and irresolute—who dislike controversy.
dell,"
sometimes slaked them " why do you dislike it?"
ail:" they "I do not know exactly why, only Ido
et alike . say,
4,.._ e it." (Laughter.) "Well," say I, " try and find
ili7°„u;" and I will tell you the reason they give. They
ts t',..` "Peace is the character of a Christian man, peace ought
iio,7 the character of Christian society, and controversy dis-
ila„ 8 Peace." Well: it is in vain we tell them that the wis-
a4i.which comes from above is first pure and then peace-
aak, in vain we tell them that peace with falsehood is war
from
truth. They admit the principle, but still they shrink
ii;'ll the practice; and it is evident, when traced home, that
witclr real repugnance to controversy is their love of ease ; they
thiaritito be quiet 'you ives so much trouble—you force us to
Well, wish would leave us alone. (Hear, hear.)
vs, `, now, my friends, I am very willing and very anxious—
tejdanxious—in all kindness I am anxious, not to annoy our
it, quiet friends. I bear all kindliness towards them and
1 '" not to annoy any of them, but how is it to be done ?
44110 t let them quiet us down into the calibre of little lap-
dogs that cannot bark, or if they do bark it is so gently that
aelcause no alarm. The prophet Isaiah spoke with indig-
te"°ll against certain professors of the truth whom lief calls
ait'b-tlogs. Well, if there be any such, let the lash the
1511 et fall where it is deserved, and awake them out of
tisa. gentle slumbers. For ourselves we have felt it our
47 • • ters of the Christian church, to give all dili-
ge„ tas minis .
tj) cet to say in season and out of season, " awake thou
''t steepest." This is not a world for sleeping in ; this is
, world for 'being saved in—" Awake thou that steepest,
arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee life. "
,'hat are you about ? Believing was we do that the church
to_nsists not of pastors only but of the people also, we have
ueen anxious to put you in possession of the elements of this
teat controversy, that you, according toitie your vmayariousable,
sta-
°us, and your providential opportuns, be
earnestly to contend for the truth and simplicity of the gos-
. hence our Protestant societies. For this purpose they
L
here; originated—for this purpose are they,continued ; and I
ItJoice to meet you at this anniversary of your society, and
i the patron of it, for your continued encouragement of
have
in this good work. (Hear.) This work of ours which I
4ave now briefly described, has first of all a personal bear-
'4. It has its effects first upon the individual enlightening
11
m in the nature of true Christianity, in the blessed appre-
hension of divers falsehoods, which would corrupt that
iitistianity, and in his own personal acts with reference to
tile same. Then, enlightening one individual after another,
rejoices to have a public effect. It pervades the conduct of
!lose individuals who really receive the light ; it affects their
conduct, not only in private, but in public'. it affects their
riltitive conduct as members of sociyaffects their pub-
ile conduct as members of the stated so our work beginning
I'll Christianity goes forward into divers branches of private
tad public morals, affecting the comfort of men's homes and
0 e government of men's countries. In this way it is that
ur society becomes eventually a political engine. It is not
tr,9Perly so ; it is not so with reference to special party po-
les ; and I beg the meeting will perceive and feel this, and
`refrain from any manifestations of that description of party
Dolitical sounds which for one moment fell upon and wounded
luY ears at the opening of this meeting. (Hear, hear.) That
is hot the species of political influence which we designed to
exercise. The political influence we exercise is the result of
tf Christian principle imbibed, and not to presentthe out-
reakings of party spirit. In order then that such princi-
Plea should be imbibed, instruction is to be given and
teceivest, and we come forward as the ministers of the church
to give that instruction. We are your servants for Christ's
sake. So said Paul—" We preach not ourselves but Jesus
Christ the Lord, and ourselves your servants, for Christ's
lake." We appear before yOu both in the stated services of
the church, and upon occasions such as the present, and in
season and out of season, to those who will come to church,
and those who come to meetings, or who will not or dare
40t1 we will communicate scriptural information—informa-
',on directly scriptural, and indirectly controversial—against
those falsehoods which assail the scriptures. Now, the
falsehood we have chiefly to deal with is, what we
tommonly understand by Rornanism. It consists of those
novelties which were brought into the Christian church
after •it was 1500 years old. Some of you may have
seen a report of certain proceedings which took place in
the town upon Wednesday last—[published in the Liverpool
'Standard of Friday]—when I had the happiness of receiving
five men, lately members of the Church of Rome, into the
Zotninunion of the Church of England. Some of you may
lave seen a report of that in a newsyaper that came out this
kiorning—(the Standard)—containing such a statement as I
would be glad again briefly to make to you now. (Hear.:
4 shall not detain you long with it—only just to put you it
Possession of the facts. I would observe, too, for your sa
tisfaction, that the publicity given to that statement ehallen
Res enquiry—challenges contradiction, if any Romanist can
' with the page of history before him, contradict it—that th,
first Christian, authorised, public, authentic, catholic faitl
of the church for 1500 years and more was the Nicene Creed
which is in our Church of England prayer book ; that in th
councils of the clsurch, of bishops and priesls, at Constance,
and afterwards in the council of Ephesus. the Nicene Creed
was recognised as the faith of the catholic church; that the
council of r: phcsus not only recognised it, but pronounced
ati anathema upon any who should propound any other creed;
that if a Jew or a heathen were to be received in the Christian
church, and if any man propounded to them as necessary to
salvation anything that was not in the Nicene Creed, if he
Were a pastor he should be degraded, and if lie was a layman
Ire should be anathematized. That was the view of the creed
of the church at that period. Now, you must observe, we
(10 not receive it because the council of Ephesus re-
ceived it, or because the council of Constance received
it; we receive it because it can be proved by sure warranty
of Scripture ; but we tell you, as a matter of fact, that in the
Years 400, 500, 600 and 800, after Christ, and 900, and 1000,
and 1100, and 1200, and so on till the year 1500, the Nicene
Creed, which you have in the Church of England prayer
books, was received again and again as the faith of the catho•
be church ; and that it was not until after the council o
Trent sat in the sixteenth century, that any man dared to pul
forth another creed, saying that it was necessary to be be:
Laved for salvation ;_ and the man who did ..it was no less a
man ' vtan a pope ! (Hear, hear.) A pope was the first great
IteretiCthat put forward the new creed! (Cheers.) Pope
Pins the Fourth was no longer content with the Nicene
Creed, but he added twelve new articles to it, and in the last
of the twelve all men are required to receive the twelve or
they cannot be saved. Here was a wholesale innovation
upon the church ; and yet, though it is a matter of fact,
which they cannot deny, that our creed is 1800 years old, and
their creed only 300 years old, they will tell you with.the
greatest effrontery. that theirs is the old religion, and your:
is the new'one. (Hear, hear.) No ! Our creed was in the
full vigour of 1500 years before theirs was born I It is a fact
for our creed springs from the first century, and theirs wag
Proposed by Pius the 4th in the 16th century ! (Cheers
Perhaps some of you never knew that before. Perhaps ther
are some here who have been taught a very different story
and have been told that the B,orcish is the old way, and tha
the Protestant church was never heard of till the days r
Martin Luther. The Church of Christ stood uponahe of
Creeds, and resisted the introduction of the new—that is
smne of them did. If they had all resisted the introductio
°f the new, the pope would not have been able to get it it
but Le got so many to back him that he got it in, and thos
''lti would not have it what could they do hut protest asains
!t• • If there were of them a hundred thousand—(l am speak
uitz to simplify the matter to some of your minds)—whateve
variety of opinions there may be among them in their ow:
private thoughts, still the only creed that all had was th
-Nicene Creed. There comes a man, and he proposes a net
creed: and 80,000 or 90.000 out of the 100,000 avow that th
Is the'ewreed is agreeable to their corrupt hearts, and say " ths
one fur us." The remaining 10,000 or 20,000 hold fat
to the old creed, and say " we will stand upon this rock, an
you shall kill us before You. put us off."
Tilerthey (Hear, 'hear
e were, a little band of protesters, standing ups
locusts came
rock, ad a great overwhelming host of model
onuestt Came to eat them up ! (Cheers.) Which, then, is tl
al church ? I will tell you which it is—it is the smalles

dissenters

and the reason the new one became the largest is, that the
new articles are of man, and man's works are always more
palatable to carnal men than God's. (Hear.) The new
creed is of man, and it is according to man ; the old creed is
of God, and it is not natural to man. The wonder is that so
many stand by it; the marvel is that there remains a man by
it—that it was not swept clean away, and the whole of
Christendom carried away with the new flood. But it was
the purpose of God • and the gates of hell, and the assaults
of ungodly men could not prevail against his church. His
church stood upon the old rock, and maintained the Nicene
creed—fought for it, and bled for it, and burned for it, and
died for it in this land. (Cheers.) They bequeathed it to
us, and we stand upon it now • and we invite the followers
of the new to come to the old. We invite the followers of
the new creed of Pope Pius the Fourth to throw it awayand take
the Nicene creed. if they would take to the old creed, which
they themselves do not deny to be older than the Popish
creed; if they would take the Nicene creed as containing
the only doctrines necessary for salvation, we might be all
one again ; but as long as they stand to these new articles of
Pius the Fourth, we never can he one : there is no peace
with Rome. (Tremendous cheering.) 1 can imagine a
member of that new church in this room at this moment
altogether astonished, and sayings " This is a new light to
put the matter in,—is it possible that this can be .true ?"
(Hear, hear, and a laugh from some person at no great dis-
tance from the platform.) I can imagine such a person
grieved that the matter should be treated at all lightly ; and
if I address such a person I would say, any degree of lightness
in the illustration is not for want of kindly feelings towards
you, but merely to make the matter understood to unedu-
cated minds. It is simply a matter of kindness to those
I want to instruct, and who cannot understand abstract
language, that induces me to this; and if in so doing I cause
laughter or wound the feelings of any one, I regret it ; for I
am convinced that any fair, dispassionate, and candid Ro-
manist hearing that statement, will feel that he has been
deceived hitherto, and be willing to, enquire further, and see
whether these things are so or not. (Hear.) Now, let me
remind you, with regard to two or three of the new articles,
how important it is to lay fast bold of the oldest. By the
new articles the people are defrauded both in spiritual and
temporal things. (Hear, hear.) They are defrauded in
spiritual things because the wine in the Lord's Supper, which
the Lord commanded them to receive, is withheld from them.
I consider this a great fraud put upon the poor people who
belong to that church. Christ commanded his disciples to
drink of that cup ; and if they allege that when he said so
only his ministers were present, I answer that the inspired
apostle, St. Paul, said so, writing to the whole Church at
Corinth. In finding fault with some abuses in that church
in the administration of the Lord's Supper he says, " Some
of them were drunken, some of them left without any wine,
and some took as much that made themselves drunken."
It is clear, therefore, that all the members of that church
received the wine, or the. abuse which he rectifies could not
have arisen. (Hear, hear.) By the new .creed the poor
people of the Romish persuasion are defrauded of that
blessing which Christ commanded all his disciples to have.
Further, they are defrauded of all intelligent participation in
their chief services ; they are taught to believe the mass the
chiefest of all their services ; and they never hear it in a lan-
guage they understand. There is no intelligence to the poor
people—the mass in any country; for this reason, that there
are no people upon the face of the earth who speak Latin.
(Hear.) It has pleased God to make Latin a dead language.
Greek is not a dead language, but Latin is a .dead language ;
yet the new church fixes upon the only language that nobody
speaks, to have her chief service in it, that nobody should
understand. (Great applause.) This is another fraud upon
the people. (Hear.) 1 said they were defrauded in tempo.
rat things also, by the creed, and 1 will tell you how. Al-
mighty God has ordained that man shall live by the sweat of
his brow ; and he has said in one of his commandments.
" six days shalt thou labour and do all that thou bast to do ;"
therefore, a poor labouring man, who is blessed by Almighty
God with health, ought to have six days' labour a week—
" six days shalt thou labour," and he is to be paid for his la-
bour. No man living has a right to stop him from labouring
six days to get six days' wages ; but the new creed—this new
creed which is only 300 years old—sets up so many saint
days upon which the people must not labour, and their task-
masters tell them by no means to labour upon saint days for
it is a mortal sin. They keep them idle upon saint days. If
there is but one in a week, the poor man can only have five
days' wages, and if two, lie can only get four ; in many weeks
there are more than two, three, or four saint days, and the
poor people are thus defrauded of their wages because they
are kept, by this new superstition, from going about their
work. (Hear.) These are important practical things ; but
I shall refrain from enlarging more upon them, seeing there._
are so many friends who are prepared to address you on this
occasion. One point only I will advert to, and that briefly.
I think same of you will expect I should say a few words
upon it. It has immediate reference to what is of high im-
portance to you and to your children—(eter, hear)—l mean
the scriptural education of your children... The ways of God
are very wonderful ; we are sometimes indebted for good con-
sequences to what was itself a mistake, and so it is here.
There was a report of certain proceedings which took place
in the Town-council of this town ; it was a very imperfect re-
port ; it conveyed, respecting some parties concerned, a very
erroneous impression. But it produced a powerful effect
it led to a strong expression of feeling in many places ; and
it has been attended with beneficial results. I congratulate
you upon the results ; and I believe I may say to you, now
that there is very little doubt, speaking after the manner of
men, I should say there is no doubt, but that a true Protes-
tant system, with the authorised version of the Bible, and
that version alone, will be introduced into the corporation
schools of this town. (Great cheering.) I observe that some
of the advocates of a different system, who are not now in a
condition to give their opinions in the council, but who,
nevertheless, do feel a disposition to give an opinion still, are
preparing a charge of this kind. I see the groundwork of it laid
very cunningly, and I will apprise you of it before it comes out,
that you may know what to think of it when itdoes come. The
charge which is in preparation is this—that in rejecting the
Douay version from the schools, 'we are excluding the Bible.
I see, I say, this lodgment of the charge—that whereas they
were accused of keeping back the Bible, by putting the
authorized version out, we shall be accused of excluding the
Bible by putting the Douay version out. (Laughter.) It is
easy to laugh at that, but not easy to answer it. The answer
is this—the Douay version is not the Bible. What! does it
not contain a translation of the Scriptures? Yes, it does,
but it contains more—it contains notes gathered from the new
creed of Pope Pius IV. ; it contains notes involving all the
pis of that novelty ; all the peculiarities of romanism ;
at with these notes in it, we say it is not the Bible. As we
would say of a loaf mixed with arsenic it is not a loaf, it is a
loaf with poison mixed—it is not a loaf. The Douay version
is the Bible and falsehood mixed ; it is not the Bible, for the
Bible is truth alone. Therefore when we exclude the Douay
we are not excluding the Bible, but a version of a translation
of the Bible and Popish notes. We had the best of the argu-
ment all along, and the time is come when we are to have the
best of the fact: it is to go out, and the Irish extracts also.
(Loud cheers.) I believe I may tell you that all the Con-
servative members of the Education Committee are unani-
mous upon this point, and that their recommendation will be
submitted to the Council in due time. (Hear, hear.) Now
I must go back for a moment to apprise you of the nature of
the mistake that led to certain recent exhibitions of strong
feeling. It was supposed that all the gentlemen who voted upon
the first day of this month against receiving the recommenda-
tion of the Education Committee, were in favour of some
modification of the semi-popish scheme. That was a mistake,
and I will tell you what the mistake arose in. It arose in the
fact that the Town Clerk's speech was not reported : the
Town Clerk, as the legal adviser of the Council, told them
they were not at liberty, in point of law, to rescind all the
regulations for the government of the schools without ape
-
propriating others, for, thereby, they would be leaving t
schools for a month without any regulations at all. Upon
the legal advice of the Town Clerk some of our Conservative
friends voted in the majority, who are, nevertheless, as de-
termined as we are to have the schools Protestant. (Applause.)
I will do a friend of my own the justice to name him. 1 will
say this is precisely the case with Mr. Bushell, and that he
in the Council that day made it perfectly clear that this was
his reason, but not one word of his speech was reported
upon that occasion. He and a few others lay under the im-
putation of having voted in a way and for a purpose which
they repudiated as honestly and fervently as we do. It is
only right that such an explanation should be made, arid I am
happy to have an opportunity of making it among you who
are so deeply interested in the welfare of this cause. The
rev. gentleman then sat down amidst loud cheering.
Mr. Le ATHERBARROW, Secretary io the society, then read
the annual report of the committee.
The Rev. W. FALLOON, of St. Jude's Church, rose
amidst loud cheers to move the first resolution, which pro-
posed that the report be adopted and printed, and the ap-
pointment of the annual officers. He said—l owe some apo-
logy to the: meeting for occupying the first place this evening,
and thereby presuming to bold for a few moments a position
which would be better occupied by others ; but as this ar-
rangement was one made by others and not of my own choice,
I feel I cannot lay to myself the charge of presumption.
(Hear.) My Christian friends and protestant brethren, I take
the liberty of addressing you under two titles—Christians
and protestants—not that I would for a moment insinuate or
have you to think that there is or ought to be any essen-
tial difference between a genuine Protestant and a true
Christian. But for myself Ido not wish, in these days of
soft terms and Laodicean words, to lose sight of that good
old ancient name—that beacon of the glorious reformation—
the name of protestantism. (Cheers.) Though it has come
to sound harsh, and has been felt to be distasteful to the se-
mi-Popish palates of some of our Oxford divines in these
latter days, yet we cannot consent to part with it so easily
as that, believing, as we do, and firmly feeling that all
that is great, all that is holy, all that is venerable, is bound
up and intimately associatediwith the struggles wherein the
name of Protestantism was born. (Great cheers.) For, let
me ask you, what is great, if the cause of the living God is
not great ? What is holy, if that precious book, the law and
the testimony of the living God, which he hath given us as
a light to our feet, and a lamp to our paths, to direct us
to glory, because it testifies to us of Jesus, who is the only
way whereby any sinner can ascend to the bosom of his God
—what is holy, if that precious book is not holy ?—and what
is venerable, if old mother church—not the new church—
(hear, hear,)—bending with age, and full of years, that has
ever enshrined within her bosom, as a sacred ark, that holy
treasure, the charter of our salvation, the precious Scrip-
turess—what is venerable, if she be not venerable ? (Loud
cheers.) And though that holy cause, and though that pre-
cious Bible, and though that venerable church existed many
hundred years before the name of Protestant, yet are we re-
solved to adhere and firmly to cleave to that right Christian
name which wail given to the righteous cause when Luther
and the faithful ones of Germany stood sponsors, and when
it was so faithfully responded to by our Cranmers, and La-
timers, and ilidleys, at home in England. (Renewed ap-
plause.) Why do I dwell on this word Protestant ? It
seems, perhaps, irrelevant to the point, but that my heart is
sickened and my soul moved within me when I find, as our
noble and excellent prelate once observed—" those sitting
in the reformers' seats are traducing the reformation." ( Hear,
hear.) What Englishman does not feel himself insulted when
reading such a statement as met my eyes to-day in the co-
lumns of the LIVERPOOL STANDARD ? The source whence
it is derived is not given, and therefore I cannot authenticate
it ; and though names are stated, I shall not mention names,
because I do not wish to charge it home on any individual in
existence. The sentiments are these :
" I tell you plainly, that, for myself, I utterly reject and
anatheniise the principle of Protestantism, as a heresy,
with all its forms, sects, or denominations. And if the church
of England should ever unhappily profess herselfto be a form
of Protestantism (which may God of his infinite mercy for-
bid l) then would I reject and anathernise the church of Eng-
land, and would separate myself from her immediately as
from a human sect, without giving Protestants the trouble
to procure my expulsion. In conclusion I once more pub-
licly profess myself a catholic. and a member of a catholic
church, and say anathema to the prinCiple of Protestantism
(which 1 regard as identical with the principle of dissent)
and to all its forms, sects, and denominations, especially to
those of the Lutherans, Calvinists, and British and American

Now, though this be not authenticated, yet we have too much
reason to fear from other works which we have authenticated
that these are but more openly and manfully avowed senti-
ments—more openly declared and more boldly confessed sen-
timents—which sentiments are lurking deeply in the bosoms,
though unexpressed in the heart of the church of England,
of some of those who profess themselves to be members and
ministers of that church ? I grieve to read it, and my soul
is moved within me ; but I say that this person may read his
recantation as soon as he pleases of what he calls the heresy
of protestantism. (Hear, bear.) He has virtually renounced
all connexion with the established church according to her
doctrines, creeds, and liturgies, and the established church
disowns such an apostate. (Cheers.) I am free to confess
that I as cordially love the name of protestant as the writer
of this extract, whoever he be, seems to abhor and detest it ;

for while that name of protestant reminds me of those dark
days when the great cause of God was obscured and dimmed
by the corruptions and abominable idolatries of an Italian
heresy, and while again it reminds me that that book of God
was fettered and bound in chains, and kept back from fi ee
circulation, and, like the great apostle St. Paul, who hinisslf
wrote a great portion of it, was detained as a prisoner at
Home—though it reminds me of those dark clays, yet it re-
minds me of those glorious struggles which were then entered
upon by those who stood on that rock to contend for the
faith once delivered to the saints, in the face of fire and fag-
got, maintaining their adherence to the principles of the word
of God, and determining to stand or fall with the Bible.
And while it reminds me of these things it also enkindles in
my bosom a fervent and an anxious prayer, that that same
system of anti-Christian error may never again be permitted
to obsure and dim the bright-shining of our gospel candle-
stick, or ever again be permitted to meddle in any way with
our national freedom. If David, the king of Israel, in an
ebullition of Christian patriotism exclaimed,. " If 1 forget thee,
0 Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning," surely
I may be permitted to say in all humility—if I forget that
which broke the iron spell that bound the world in ignorance,
and severed those fetters forged by men wherewith they de-
sired to make captives of immortal souls—if I can cease to
love that cause which broke through the mists and dark
clouds of men's invention, which had rolled between Calva-
ry's hill and the eyes of fallen sinners, and which hid from
them the glorious cross, and Him who hung crucified
thereon, as the sinner's hope and safety, and bringing forth
that cross again into prominence in unit's salvation, planted
it in the foreground, and wrote above it, '‘ Neither is there
salvation in any other"—and if I can forget the blessed re-
formation, " then," I say with the sweet psalmist of Israel,
" then let my right hand forget her cunning." (Cheers.)
The report of which I have the honour to move the adoption,
and which the secretary has just read, points out some lead-
ing features in the past year. It also reminds us of future
holy enterprise, persevering in our good and excellent works,
and, at the same time, it enforces present duty. We stand
at the close of another year. Another season has rolled over,
and, by the gracious protection of our God, we stand at the
conclusion of another year. It has been an eventful year in
many respects, and one that calls from every heart for deep
expressions of gratitude to Almighty God for all his manifold
blessings bestowed upon us. Hear, hear.) As the report
pointed to national events, perhaps I may be permitted
for a moment to glance at one or two. (Hear, and cheers.)
As we look along the stream of time during the past year,
what do we behold ? We see an impotent and helpless mi-
nistry, who, instead 'of accelerating the movements of
government, served to be a clog upon its wheels, and who,
having lost the confidence of the country, persevered in
dragging out a weary existence, until forced by the almost
utia.dmous voice of an indignant nation to give up the reins
of government, and to transfer them into nobler and abler
hands. (Cheers.) We see men now entrusted with the
reins of power—and lam sure we all hail with gratitude
their accession to power—from whom we have a right to
expect great and good and protestant things ; and if any
error has been committed in years past—if a fatal breach.
has been made in our constitutional liberties and rights, it
now remains for those men to repair the breach, and to re-
store to Britain an unimpaired and unadulterated constitu-
tion. (Great applause.) We hope for better things
England, and also for my own dear but hapless laud-
though I grieve to say that in the civic chair of its capital
town, there sits a man, who, being a traitor to his country,
is unfit to sit in any chair of the kind. (Hear, hear.) Yet
we hope that by a strict and impartial administration of the
laws—by a discouragement of that turbulent system of agita-
tion which has so long distracted the country—by a bringing
forth to justice of those assassins whose feet have been swift
to shed innocent blood—by placing conscientious men in the
jury box who will give honest verdicts—by protecting the
rights, the liberties, the properties, and the lives of protes-
tauts, and by extending the established church, the spiritual
and temporal interests of Ireland will be advanced under the
new rule of that country. (Hear.) And what is the next
event of importance that meets our view ? Oh, it is a bright
and beautiful one. Hardly had the present administration
taken the reins of government, when she who sits enthroned
in these realms—and long may she live in health and wealth,
and long may she live in the hearts and affections of her
subjects—(cheers)—hardly, I say, had the new administra-
tion entered upon office, when the longings of an affectionate
nation were satisfied, whenl their desires were fulfilled, and
their hearts cheered by the birth of a young prince. (Re-
newed cheers.) Oh ! how men of all parties seemed fur a
moment to lay aside their differences on that occasion, and
joined in bailing the new-born scion of a noble line ! I am
persuaded that your hearts, beating full of honest loyalty,
are ever ready to give fervent expression to that shout—that
truly British shout—" Long live our gracious Queen ; long
live the Prince of Wales." (Tremendous cheering.) I
regard it as a peculiar and signal manifestation of God's favour
to our land, and of his continued blessing upon us; for, surely,
if He had been minded to slay us and cast us off, He
would not have accepted our prayers, and granted us a son.
May that son indeed prove a Sampson towards God
and man, and a mighty man of valour in defending the
faith of protestantism, and those principles which placed his
house on the throne of England ! (Continued cheering.)
May God Almighty long bless that royal mother and her in-
fant son ! And if I may be here permitted to allude to ano-
ther point which has cheered my own heart and the hearts of
all those who sympathise with God's will, and who love what
he loves, and hates what he hates, I would point attention
to a noble act of the King of Prussia—that Christian king.
(Cheers.) We know his anxiety to establish a union between
the reformed churches, and you are probably aware that he
has nobly come forward and asked from England a Christian
bishop to be planted in the ancient city of Jerusalem. Need
rsay.how nobly he has laid down his thousands upon thou-
sands as as an endowment for this bishop—need I say how
he has waved many national prejudices and sent to England
for a suitable man—need I say how nobly England answered
him—need I say how nobly our gracious queen gave her as-
sent to the measure—how rapidly all things were got in train
—and how, on the 7th of November, in the ancient chapel of
Lambeth Palace, a converted Jew was ordained as the Bishop
of St. James, at Jerusalem, by the hands of that venerable
prelate who presides over the Church of England—the Arch-
bishop of Canterbury. (Loud cheers.) Here is a signal in-
stance of the continued favour of God to England in having
selected her to be the honoured instrument of sending out a
bishop to the city that the Lord loves. And if we turn our
attention for a moment to our own town, what is the next
event that meets our view? Here again we see a turn out,
as in the other case, of men, who, to say the least of it, did
little credit to the Protestant principles of Liverpool, and we
see, thank God, a return and a turn in of others from whom
we confidently expect great Protestant things ; and, though
a little cloud has for a time arisen and darkened the political
horizon, yet we feel assured that, ere long, it will pass away
—that they will shine with greater lustre—that things will all
be set to rights, and that we shall again have our schools based
on the eternal word of God, and all foul extracts and abomi-
nations of men shut out from their walls for ever. (Great
cheering.) These are great and glorious blessings,. and we
desire, at the close of a parting year, to set up our Ebenezer
and say, hitherto the Lord bath helped us ; and here I must
observe that the effect produced abroad in higher places, and
certainly the effect produced at home, is mainly attributable
to the successful movements of the Protestant Associations.
(Cheers.) Yes ; if the faithful trumpet has been loudly blown
in this town—if there be one among many others that de-
serves a peculiar rneed of praise—if there be one mouth that
has been more faithful to that trumpet than another—that
has given no uncertain sound and never flinched from his
duty, but through evil report and good report has persevered
in the path of Christian patriotism and Christian Protestant-
ism, I feel I bear with me the hearts of all the people present
when I lay them before you, Mr. Chairman, and acknow-
ledge that meed to be yours. (Most enthusiastic cheering.)
Much has been spoken against us, and much has been written
against us. We have been calumniated as needless agitators
and alarmists. We have been denounced as political fire-
brands and disturbers of the peace; but still, notwithstand-
ing all those calumnies wherewith we have been slanderously
assailed, we have gone steadily forward, and, by the help of
our God, we continue to this moment—" though troubled on
every side yet not distressed—though perplexed yet not in
despair—though persecuted yet nut forsaken—though cast
down yet not destroyed ; for the Lord of Hosts is with us—
the God of Jacob is our refuge." The rev. gentleman here
resumed his seat amid loud cheers.
The Rev. FREDERICK PARRY, in a brief speech seconded
the resolution, and it was carried.
The Rev. THOMAS NoLAN, of St. Barnabas' Church, on
rising to move the second resolution, was warmly received by
themeeting. The drift of the rev. gentleman's speech went
to point out the eagerness with which Romanism gives coun-
tenance and circulation to the opinion that her character has
undergone considerable change and improvement, and that
her system is neither so bigotted nor intolerant as in bygone
ages. No sentiment more dangerous to Protestantism, nor
more favourable to Rome, nor more false in point of fact,
could obtain credit. This, he observed, was the ground
work of Lord Alvanley's recent pamphlet on the state of Ire-
land, with the details of which Lord Roden had successfully
grappled; and on this account the principle it asserted and
assumed deserved a consideration that otherwise might not
have attached to it. The great Grattan (he proceeded to say)
once remarked in the Irish House of Commons, that
,there
were cases in which the insignificance of the accuser merged
in the magnitude of the accusation; so also he (Mr. N.)
thought that cases might occur, like this of Lord Alvanley,
in which the viciousness of a principle might be forgotten in
the rank of the individual who came forward as the champion
of it. This point he further illustrated by the mention of a
work on Ireland, by Gustave de Beaumont, widely circulated
on the continent, for which the author was rewarded and ho-
noured by the Institute of Paris, where Jesuit influence now
preponderates, in which this favourable representation is
made of Romanism, and the evils of Ireland assigned to her
connexion with Great Britain ;_ in corroboration of which he
referred to the second letter—Romanism on the Continent—
Dublin University Magazine, November, 1840: By these
means, he argued, public opinion is prejudiced in favour of
Rome on the continent of Europe, and made to react unfa-
vourably to the interests of Protestantism in England also—
quoting instances, from the history of Romanism in Ireland,
of the dexterity with which this abuse of public opinion is
made available for the advancement of Romish claims and
objects. We regret our want of room for a more lengthened
report. The rev. gentleman was listened to with deep atten-
tion, and sat down amid much applause.
The Rev. FIELDING Ow) neat rose and said :—My
Christian friends, in rising to second this last resolution, I
feel myself in the disagreeable predicament of one who has a
great deal to say and very little time to say it in ; but if you
will giye me your patient attention, I shall promise not to
trespass very unreasonably on you at this 'late hour, but will
endeavour to condense the remarks I intend to make into the
smallest possible compass. (Hear,) If it be true that there
is no security for individual rights or national prosperity but
through the influence of true religion on the people ; and if
true religion cannot exist unless where the sovereignty of
Almighty God and the supiernacy and exclusive authority of
his word are acknowledged in principle and practice ; and if
it be true that those essentials are recognised in the frame-work
of the British constitution, and that the agents of the church of
Rome are endeavouring now to destroy the distinguishing pro-
testantisrn of the British constitution, and that their main ef-
forts are directed tor the overthrow of the church of this coun-
try ; and if it be further true that their ultimate object is not
toleration, (which they have had ever since the repeal of the
penal laws,) nor civil equality, (which they have had since
the passing of the emancipation bill in 1829,) but that their
ultimate object is ascendancy,—then I say it is the bounden
duty of all who value their Bible, and who venerate the
precious blessings they enjoy under the British constitution,
to co-operate for the, preservation of the distinguishing pro.
tcstantism of the British constitution. (Hear, hear, and
cheers.) I think our protestant associations are based on a
recognition of those principles. We are contending for the
religious principles of the reformation and the political
principles of the revolution. (Great cheering.) It is my
firm conviction, and all the signs of the times go to de-
monstrate the truth of it, that the Jesuits are exceedingly
busy at this moment in contriving and plotting, and, as tar
as they can, executing their intents, against all that we love
and venerate in the church. I observe that I have been
honoured by a complimentary notice on the part of a certain
section of the press of this town fur some remarks I recently
made on this subject at a meeting of the Bolton Protestant
Association. With me notices of this kind are of little
moment, coming as they do from men whose praise is censure
and whose blame is praise. (Hear.) All we have a right to
expect from them is, and we are often disappointed in the
expectation, that they shall adhere to truth, and that they
should not content themselves with misrepresenting and
calumniating; but that they should state the truth in what
they impute to us as our opinions. It is imputed to me,
with a magnitude of falsehood only to be conceived as
perpetrated by the peculiar professors of " liberalism,"
that I connected the recent fires which had happened in
this country with the machinations of the Roman catholics
generally throughout the country. It has been stated, and
repeated again and again, that I charged the whole Roman

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oatholic body with having accomplished those fires. Now, it
is unnecessary fur me to tell you. sir, and many present—nay,
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..suits was established by Ignatius
Loyola about the year 1540, and that the expressed purpose
of their ortranization was the overthrow of the Reformation.
They.have found theta troublesome task hitherto, and I think
they will 'continue so to find it henceforward. What 1 stated
was this : that the movements of those Jesuits. whose sole
object is the aggrandisement of the Church of Rome upon
the ruins of Protestantism, and whose distinguishing princi-
ple is, that the end sanctifies the means, ought to he carefully
watch: ; and while I distinctly stated in that speech that
barged those tire; out no man or notly of wet:, and while 1
Roman Catholics would
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as much as we would ourselves
,ration of such calamities, I did say, that while a slices—
of strange fires rsiotinued to be exhibited—the burning of
the Houses of Parliament, for instance, the burning.of the
Royal Exchange, the burning of ships 'in Portsmouth dock,
the burning of the Tower, and recently, an attempt to fire
the Horse Guards—and in no instance any light thrown upon
the origin of those fires, nor any one of them satisfactorily
accounted for, notwithstanding all the investigations which
have taken place, I' thought the circumstance called on me
and every lover of his country to warn England to be on the
watch. (Hear, hear.) And 1 ask, is there not a cause ? 1
ask, is it not an aosolute certainty that the Jesuits have been
busily engaged in the movements which have been going on
of late years at Oxford ? There is nothing of which I am
more convinced than that many of those then who are moving
towards Rome have been all their liver Papists and Jesuits
too, and that they have latterly been guided by the machina-
tions of Dr. Wiseman and others of that class. And this
is no new thing., The Jesuits did the same thing in the reign
of Queen Elizabeth. They insinuated, themselves at that
period among Protestants, and became clergymen and digni-
taries of the Church of England, and then came out and
professed themselves divines of the Church of Rome. (Hear.)
We know what they attempted in the reign of James I.
Perhaps the Jesuits had nothing to do with the gunpowder
plot ! (Hear, and laughter.) I believe, however, it is pretty
plain that one Garnett, a Jesuit, was executed for that plot.
Again, we know bow busily .the Jesuits were .engaged in
the reign of James 11. I ask, then, have we not some
reason to be a little jealous and suspicious of these men,
particularly when we know that from every state—every Ro-
man Catholic state—the Jesuits have, in various years, been
solemnly expelled. In 1773 the reigning pope, Clement XIV,
expelled them from Italy, and that expulsion, it is to be pre-
sumed, cost him his life, for he died by poison. (Hear.)
They were expelled from France, from Spain, from England,
from Naples, from the Duchies of Parma. and Placentia ; and
so late as the year 1829, the, British statesmen who drew up
the emancipation act looked with suspicion on those gentle-
men too, for they introduced a clause into the bill limiting
the number of jesuifs in this country, and insisting-on a care-
ful registry of their names, Under these circumstances, I
ask, is there anything particularly monstrous in my having
called upon England to be on her guard against.these gentle-
men, when we know that in England there are three separate
;esuit establishments at Aril Work at this moment? (Hear.)
The gentlemen who write for what is called the " liberal"
press are fully welcome to calumniate, abuse, and misrepre-
sent us as much as they please. We look upon such effusions
as perfectly natural from those gentlemen. .Then are wincing
under some political defeats, which we are looked upon as in-
strumental in having inflicted upon them, and it is only
natural that they should get a vent for the passions which are
boiling within them—(hear, hear, and loud laughter)—but if
they think they will either terrify or intimidate us, or prevent
us from speaking out pretty plainly on all occasions, or that
they can silence us in our pulpits, or on our platforms in our
testimonies against popery, I can tell them they are most
eggregiously mistaken. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) We have
not the slightest intention of retreating from our colours in
this cause; and whether we be honoured by the thundering
declamations of the London Times, or artillery fired by the
puny pop-gun of the Liverpoot Times—(ironical laughter)—
or even should both be aided by the groaning Mercury—(con-
tinued laughter)—here we take our stand, firmly determined
to be faithftil to our principles until our lives terminate in
death. (Cheers.) Having settled this account, I how turn
to another subject. lam happy to say, sir, that I was one of
those who were present at your church on Wednesday last, at
the interesting ceremony which then took place, and to which
allusion has been already made; and I would join with those
who have expressed their hope that that will not be the last
scene of such a nature which will be presented in this town.
I hope that every clergyman in the town will be busy, and
that every church from St. Peter's down to Christ Church
will be able to see converts from popery reclaimed by the
anxious labours of the labouring ministry. (Cheers.) There
is no word which sounds so offensive in the ears of certain
parties as the word " proselytism." I have no doubt but
you sir, will be set down now as a proselyter, and as setting
an example to those who are rejoiced to follow your example
in proselysing from the popish quarters of the town. If to
proselytise men from a false to a true religion—from the er-
rors of man to the truth of God—if this be a crime we are
quite willing to be guilty of it. (Hear; hear.) The prophets
were proselyters, the martyrs and professors were also prose-
lyters ; and the mantle which fell from those men of God it
never can he unbecoming in us to' wear. (Cheers.) The
Lord Jesus Christ was a proselyter. This was the whole
end, and object, and aim of his three years ministry on earth ;
and never shall we be truly conformed to His image until we
we find that proselytisine from error to truth, from the doc-
trines and decrees of men to the true commands of God, is
the very first duty to which we have been sworn. The man
who seeks not to proselytise to his religion betrays a latent
consciousness that his religion is not worth circulating. He
resembles a man who holds counterfeit coin, and has a rea-
sonable fear of putting it in circulation, from dread of the
wrath of the king, and the rope of the executioner; but the
man who is possessed of the current coin of the realm, the
sparkling silver and the precious geld, and who has also re-
ceived the command of his king to circulate the ore, has no
fears to embarrass nor no impediments to restrain him.
(Cheers.) The man who possesses the whole counsel of God,
who declares the perfections of the Deity, and sets forth the
attainments with which Christians shall be invested, and in
the preaching of which we would have no reserve, lie cannot be
silent on this head. He must preach and tell all wen the truth.
Like Andrew, lie must bring each Simon to the Lord. If he
could be silent the very stones would cry out against him;
and though such a man might be esteemed by the world, he
would be unlionoured in the higher estimate of God. When
all the pomps and vanities of worldly men shall pass away,
the faithful ministers of Christ shall Shine as the lights that
God has set up and kindled in the firmament of heaven. Yea!
when thrones and sceptres shall crumble into dust, and the
globe itself shall be
..burned up, those who shall have been
thus engaged will be enabled to stand on the ruins of the
world and say they have lost nothing, when they behold those
whom they have been instrumental in turning from darkness
to light shining brightly in the 'diadem of King Messiah.
(Great applause.) But the church-of Rome is only offended
at the term " proselyte," when it is used against herself, for
she is as active a proselytiser in her•own way as is to be found
on the face of the earth. It was only.a few days ago that I
found a young woman in the district of my own church, that
Rome had endeavoured to proselytise. She was poor, igno-
rant, and only twenty years of age. The priest told her that
protestantism was anew, and Rumanism an old religion ; and
he baptised her, and ranked:her with the number of his con-
verts. He left her there, but I did not leave her there—
(cries of " Hear, hear," and cheers)—and I have every rea-
souable expectation that she will not pay many more visits to
the gentlemen who taught her that the one was the old and
the other the new religion. We have heard of ancient prose-
lytisers, who compassed sea and earth to make one proselyte,
and, when they had made him, lefthiin ten times more a child
of hell than themselves ; and in this respect there is a striking
parallel between ancient PhariseeS and modern Romanists.
In these days they are active in proselytising : they have been
so engaged in Scotland and England, and are so engaged at
this hour. The rev. gentleman having here read a letter
which had been written by a convert to protestantism to his
priest in Ireland, who had been after cursing him from the
altar, proceeded :—We have no objection at all to the diligent
arid active efforts of the Church of Rome at proselytising.
All we want of them is to come out and meet us in contro-
versy ; and here I may as well ask, between you and me,
where is Dr. Butler? (Hear and laughter.) He has been
repeatedly challenged, but the return to the writ is non est
inventus. (Hear, hear.) We certainly do not like the sys-
tem they have in England of denying their doctrines. Ber-
nard Cavanagh and Lord Shrewsbury speak out. The fast-
ing'man in England and the fasting woman in Naples have
given us a very important lesson with regard to popery in
the nineteenth century. But we do not like their system of
denying, and quibbling and avoiding when we endeavour to
bring them into close quarters. They. fire signals of delu-
sion. Their system presents the appearance of the harlot's
dwelling, fair outside, but within is a den of impurity and
robbery, the paralysis of every affection, the grave of every
life, tire laboratory of every work of hell, and the sure and
certain gangway to the dungeons beneath. (Cheers.) There-
fore there is a necessity,—a greater necessity than ever
looking at the signs of the times—for the working of our
protestant associations. The time has• not yet come when
we can afford to disband our ranks. The clergy of the
Church of England never can, but with disgrace to them-
selves, retire from this controversy. From their cradle to
their latest breath they are bound to controversy with Rome.
When they receive the catechistic, .it pledges them to cons
trovesy, by teaching them that there are only two sacra-
ments. Our articles, moreover,' describe the dogmas of the
Romish church as blasphemous. We are pledged at ordina-
tion to drive away all false doctrines, and we are also pledged
to preach four times a year against the supremacy of the
pope. The individual who is appointed to preside over the
affairs of the church at large, is constrained by his duty to
administer to the sovereign of England, on the day of her
coronation, a solemn oath abjuring the dogmas of Popery,
and to remind her that she holds her.crovyn by the tenure of
her remaining a Protestant. The sovereign of England must,
therefore, be a Protestant, and she-forfeits her crown when
she ceases to be a member of the church of England. (Hear,
hear, hear.) But we are told by men who are cautious and
moderate, that we must be wrong because we are in a minority,
and that we are only a small section of ranting, roaring fire-
brands, whose object it is to gain fame and notoriety. Truth
has always been in a minority. The prophets were in a mi-
nority. One of them thought himself so much so, that he
said, I, alone, am left." Our Lord Jesus Christ and the
apostles were in a minority ; and those who talk about our
being in a minority would do well to consider that Chris-
tianity itself is in a minority, the vast mass of human kind
being as yet unleavened. (Hear.) But we are also told that
we are embarrassing the government by speakiag, out in this
manner. We tell them in reply that we have no intention to
embarrass the government, but that we consider ourselves
their most effective supporters. We are the men who contri-
buted very materially to place them in the position they oc-
cupy at present ; and that administration will find a more
cordial support from us than they ever can find amid the
hollowness of liberalism or the divided allegiance of Popery.
What care we for mere party politics? We are contending
for religious principle ; and we cannot cease so long as the
Lord gives us health and life to bear our testimony against
all that is opposed to the truth and honour of our God. No
matter what government may be opposed to us or may con-
sider themselves embarrassed by our movements, we cannot
be liars to our consciences nor traitors to the principles we
profess. (Loud cheers.) And then we are told to conciliate !
When are we to conciliate ? Is it popery ? The task is im-
practicable, even if it were expedient. (Hear, hear.) There
are men who tried that principle, and what have they gained
by it? What was gained by that concession which the so-
vereign of England at the head of the Roman catholics in
Lower Canada? Have we found the Lower Canadians bet-
ter affected to this country in consequence of that conces-
tion ? No ; but the contrary. What have we gained by the
concession to Maynooth ? That the priests and Roman ca-
tholic bishops are to a man advocates for the rapeal o! the
union. We conceded one-fourth of the church property in
Ireland, and what have we gained? A. loudly reiterated de-
mand for the remaining three-fourths. And what have we
gained by the new municipal corporations ? We have gained
O'Connell as the lord mayor of all Ireland, as he is styled.
The conciliating policy cannot, then be persevered in with
any success. We must continue our protest and you
must continue your exertions. (hear, and loud cheers.) I re-
joice to find by the resolutions that the Irish system of educa-
tion in Liverpool is dead. I hope it will soon be buried, and
that we shall never bear of any resurrection. (Great cheers.)
If you will bear with me for a -moment, there is one topic
connected with this education question which I am desirous
of mentioning. (Hear.) The resolution alludes to the ter.-
mination of the Irish system of national education. You can
have very little conception of the tyrannies which some of the
faithful advocates of scripture instruction are called to endure
in Ireland. In the County of Wicklow, for instance, there
is the Rev. Henry Moore, rector of Carnew. He lives in
a parish of which an opulent English nobleman is the
proprietor. I allude to Lord Fitzwilliam, of whom Ido

not wish to speak in any terms of disrespect. He is, I
understand, a kind and humane man, and a liberal in poli-
tics. He is a great patron of the Irish national schools, and
he has established a number of them on his estate. For some
time Mr. Moore attended those s

and the protestant
%.1••.•• •.• • dance; but it ap-
peared after some time that the system was not acceptable to
the protestant parishioners nor to Mr. Moore, who consented
to allow it to go on for a considerable tirw>, from an unwil-
lingness to cpposa the landlord. Mr. Moore accordingly
prayed that he might be allowed to establish a separate school
for the protestanta. This Lord Fitzwilliara refused. Mr.
Moore then► resolved to break up all connexion with the na-
tional schools, and he sent a letter praying his lordship to
ive him a piece of ground in the par►sh whereon to build a
This Lord Fitz williant positively refused.

also it►

, then driven to build a school in his own
;hurchyard, whereupon Lord Fitzwilliam petitioned thebishop
of the diocese to prevent him from proceeding with the erec
tion. This the bishop not only refused but said he

Loud chee

His lordship then moved for an injunction to restrain Mr.
Moore from proceeding with the work. The matter was
tried before the master of the rolls, himself a Roman Catho-
lic, in Dublin, who refused the application of Lord Fitz-
william with costs, and declared that a case of more odious
tyranny never came before him, and said it was absolutely
disgraceful to the noble lord. Then Lord Fitzwilliam issued in-
junctions to the tenantry that they should not give auy assis-
tance to the school, so that, in point of fact, Mr. Moore has
been °bilged to draw the stones necessary fur its erection
from another county. and the sand from another also. Driven
to these straits, the expenses will be nearly double what was
originally supposed ; and, therefore, Mr. Moore is obliged
to make an appeal to the benevolence of British Chris-
tians, to enable him to carry through the erection of this
building for the scriptural instruction of at least two hundred
children. But his lordship has taken another step. He
has brought the matter before the Privy Council in Dublin,
and prayed them to interfere and prevent Mr. Moore from
building a new church ; and having given the sum of £4OO
for its erection, he had the meanness to demand that his £4OO
should be given back to him. (Cries of " Shame.") This
case furnishes an illustratidu of what has been already al-
luded to—namely, that those who are the loudest clamourers
for liberty are in reality the greatest tyrants and despots.
(Hear, hear.) I have been requested by Mr. Moore to men-
tion the case. I mentioned it at the Bolton meeting, where
several subscribed handsome sums of money to encourage
Mr. Moore in his noble stand, and I trust there are indi-
viduals in this town who will also sympathise in that rev.
gantleman's distresses. Mr. Ould here resumed his seat
amid loud cheers.
The doxology was then sung, a collection was made at the
doors, and the meeting separated about half-past ten o'clock.

TO THE RIGHT HON. SIR ROBERT PEEL, BART.,

&c. &c. &c

SIR,-With great deference I venture to propose a plan
for a modification of the corn-laws, which, on examination,
will be found to effect the twofold object of giving at once
substantial protection to the agriculturist, and permitting, at
the same time, a regular supply of foreign grain, at a mode-
rate price. It will also be found exempt from the main defects
which attach to the present laws.
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I will first state that the average price of English wheat,
for the last ten years (according to parliamentary returns) is
565. lid. per quarter, observing that, had the returns been
made by the grower instead of the dealer or factor, this
average would probably have been lower.

The plan consists of three scales of prices (for selection)
at which foreign wheat is to be admitted, and three scales of
duty. One of these may be selected, (and applied to either
scale of prices,) or all three may be adopted in order, in three
consecutive years, the last then to be permanent.
It will be observed that, in no instance, have either the
prices or the duties a wider range than Bs. per quarter.
WHEN THE MARKET PRICE OF
THE DUTY TO BE

ENGLISH WHEAT IS
Ist scale. 2d scale. 3d scale. Ist scale. 2d scale. 3d scale
525. 48s. 445. 12s. 10s. 8s
533. 493
Ms. 50s

453. Hs. 9s. 7s.
465. 10s. Bs. 6s.
JJS. 475. 9s. 7s. ss.
565. } 525. } 48$. }* Bs. } Gs. } 4s. t*
575. 535. 495. 7s. ss. 3s.
58s. 545. 50s. 65.. 4s. 2s.
595. 555. 51s. ss. 33. Is.
60s. 565. 525. 4s. 2s. Os.

*Average.
The operation of the abate table is as follows

FOR EXAMPLE.
Average price of wheat, per Ist scale of prices
Average duty on foreign, per Ist scale of diltie
Charges on bringing foreign to this country...

Leaving, as cost of wheat at foreign port of shipment 33

being a protection to the British agriculturist of 47 per cent.
By the same mode of calculation, (which it is not necessary
to carry out in detail here,) the same average price, (565.,)
gives a protection, by the
2d scale of duties (6s. on average) of 40 per cent.
3d „ (4s. „ )of 33 per cent.
Average of 2d scale of prices (525.) gives a protection by the
Ist scale of duties (Bs. on average of 53 per cent.
2d (6s. on average of 44 per cent.
3d t 1 (4s. on average of 36 per cent.
And in the same way, the average price per 3d scale of prices
(485.) gives a protection by the
Ist scale of duties (Bs. on average? of 60 per cent.
2nd „ ~ (Gs. ~ 50 „
3rd „ „ (4s. „ ) 41 „
These results may appear extraordinary ; any person,
however, who will go through the calculations, will find
them correct, and will arrive at tae same conclusions. If
the two lower scales of duty be set aside, as not sufficiently
adapted to the purposes of revenue, and the Bs. average scale
be adopted, the result will be as follows :
By Ist scale of prices (565. on average), protection 47 per ct.
2nd OF 5.25. ~ )11 11, 53
3rd 48s. „ ), „ 60 „
The " charges on foreign wheat," as above, comprise the
expenses of bringing wheat from a foreign port to the port
of London or Liverpool. They have been obtained from
variouS authentic private sources, and from printed circulars
of authority, and consist of the following items :-
Freight to London or Liverpool, per quarter,
from Dantzig.
++all other main ports of Average
the Baltic ss.
Marine insurance, Sd. ; dock and town dues, Sid. 1
Interest for 3 months, at 5 per cent. per annum.. 0 7i
Cartage and porterage, Bd. ; storage 2 mos., ld.. 0 9
Commission

Per quarter lO 0
* The freight from Holland is 45. per quarter, Odessa 10s.
Trieste 78. 6d., Marseilles 65., America 76. to tis. The Bal

tic, however, being regarded as the granary of Europe, I have
adopted the freight from that quarter.
No account is taken in the above for damage, or for fire in-
surance in store, or for profit to the importer.
The following are the prices of wheat " free on board in
foreign port," according to recent accounts from various
foreign countries :
Baltic
Mediterranean 43s. to 48s.
U. S. of America
These prices include the expense of transit from the place of
growth to the port of shipment, a distance, in many in-
stances, of several hundred miles.
The exact range of prices and duties is open to discussion.
To obviate the great evils arising from the present defective
mode of taking the averages, it is suggested that proper per-
sons be appointed by government, (whether under the con-
trol of the customs, excise, or otherwise, in the several towns
and districts that may be named) to send returns, weekly, of
the prices that shall have been obtained, during the week. by
growers, as well as by factors or dealers, (if none of the for-
mer, in large towns, the latter only) of good, sound, mer-
chantable wheat, (no other quality) new and old, to a board
of commissioners, in London, whose duty it shall be to col-
late the returns, draw the averages, and fix the duty,—then
to transmit it on a certain day in each week to the collector
of Customs in every port of the United Kingdom.
This mode of taking the averages, combined with the li-
tnited range of prices and duties comprised in these tables,
would effectually put an end to fraud and reckless specula-
tion, and be the means of keeping prices as steady as the
seasons would permit, while the supply would be regular and

the demand legitimate.
Many persons, in other respects well informed, are under
the impression that, were the present corn-laws to be mate-
rially altered, the English agriculturist would sink—that his
property, as a means of subsistence, would be annihilated.
But these simple calculations prove that he has nothing to
fear—that, with a code of duties framed on the principle of
these tables, which offer a protection to the agriculturist va-
rying from 33 to 60 per cent., the foreigner can do us no
injury whatever. And an attentive study of these tables
not fail also to lead to the conclusion, that a system
.—aded upon them, while it would afford real protection to
the agriculturist, would also cause the supply of foreign grain
to be as regular as the manufacturer could desire.
Which scale of duties and prices (if any) shall be deemed
calculated to meet the views and wishes of the two great
interests of the state, others more competent will determine.
To avoid a collision, however, which might go far to en-
danger the very existence of the constitution, prudence would
seem to dictate that the one great Interest should meet the
other half way,—the one accepting the fair and ample pro.
tection afforded by these tables, and the other, secured in thi
possession of a regular supply at steady prices, cheerfully am
willingly conceding it.
I have the honour to be, Sir,
Your most obedient, humble servant,
E. W. JACKSON.
Liverpool,l4th December, 1841.

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LET WELL ALONE

TO THE LIVERPOOL DOCK COMMITT

-- -
Ye mortals, my dear terrestrials, are restless oft, and sel-
dom quite content. My ancient pet for ocean's treasures—
the Old Dock—ye did away, and now regret your doings,
though I warned you against it about anno 1825 ; and this
may be recollected by many of my worthy and esteemed vo-
taries amongst ye. Prosperous affairs I wish to my good old
port of Liverpool, and desire to cheer all those who are so
anxious for the same. Then let me calmly and kindly ask,
if it would not be for the good, and profit. and accommoda-
tion of my shipping to retain the three adjoining graving
docks, and restore the Canning Dock as soon as it is possible
to deepen it ? No doubt this sort of system with that loca-
lity is already determined on ; because how can any im-
provement be gained unless you had obtained possession of
the Manchester or Old Quay Basin ? and parhaps the latter
event may be distant many years.—Your right trusty bene-
NEPTLINUS.

factor
Old Ocean's Billows, anno 1841,
P.S.—Then ye have taken my other old possession, Salt-
house Dock. Bethink ye of the law of tinge and tide; be
very quick there, lest I begin to growl !

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CRUELTY TO SPANIARDS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.
addressed a few lines to you on the 30th ultimo,
on the subject of the Spaniards left upon the beach in this
river by her Majesty's cruisers, out of the prize slavers. The
increased wretchedness of these poor creatures, and the re-
volting sights which meet the eye at every turn, urge me
again to trespass upon your valuable tune.
A few days since, being unwell, I sent my mate on shore
to transact a little business for me, and hi his progress to the
town (in the heat of the dug), he encountered the dead body
of one of these wretched beings, lying close to the pathway,
with the eyes and the greater part of the face and body de.
voured by guanas and birds of prey. The disgusting sight
combined with the pestilential effluvia arising fgoin the
corpse, had such an effect upon him, that upon his return t(
the ship he complained of sickness, and till his death (three
days subsequent) he frequently alluded to the revolting sight
There are two more Spaniards, whom I daily expect to see
in a like atate, being already one mass of disease. It is higl
time that some other mode of punishment was adopted, a
not only British property is sacrificed, and ourselves de
graded in the eyes of the very parties we are striving to civi
lize, but the lives of our crews are endangered. With man
apologies for troubling you, I am, sir, your's respectfully,
F. GRANT.
Ship Hero, Bonny River, August Mk, 1841.