The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1847-02-16 00:00:00

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110, BOLD-STREET, LIVERPOOL,
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LIVERPOOL DISPENSARIES.

ESTABLISHED ANNO DOMINI 1778.

REV. JONATHAN BROOKES, A.M., President.
WALTER F. MACGREGGOR, Esq., Vice-President of the -or
North Dispensary.
CHARLES BOOTH, Esq., %ice-President of the South
Disp,nsary.
GEORGE GREEN lIORNESY, Esq., Treasurer.
DONATIONS and SUBSCRIPTIONS are earnestly
solicited to enable the COMMITTEE of the LIVERPOOL
DISPENSARIES to meet the present urgent demands upon
them for relief. The attention of the Public is particularly
called to the extensive number of Poor Persons relieved by this
Charity during the last year, amou • „ o 426 against 38,821
in 1845. The expenditure on ount of the Charity for the
year 1846 exceeded thea4ei;t9we y £723. As, at this important
crisis, extraordinary eff s must be made to arrest the progress
of misery and dise , the Committee rely on the sympathy
and liberality of j.lt(Public.
Subscriptions-and Donations will be thankfully received by
Members of the Committee, and at the Dispensaries' Office, 21,
South Castle-street, daily, from Three to Four o'clock, at the
North Dispensary, Vauxhall-road, and at the South Dispensary,
1, Upper Parliament-street.
The Treasurer begs to acknowledge the receipt of the follow-
ing Contributions received during the present year:—
Mrs. Hugh Jones, Lark-hill -'2O 0 0
Mr. Wm. Maury, Exchange-buildings lO 0 0 •
Mr. Alan Potter, Sweeting-street lO 0 0
Mr. Victor Poutz, Rumford-street
From a Fri nd at a distance, per Rev. J. H. Thom 5 0 0
Mr. Henry C. Beloe
Mr. David Bland, Vauxhall Foundry 2 0 0
Mr. Wm. Bennett, being half of Arbitration Fee.. 110 0
NEW AND INCREASED SUBSCRIPTIONS.
Mr. John Grey, 12. Cook-street 5 5 0
Messrs. Thompson and Son, Church-street
Mrs. C. W. Clay, New Brighton
Mr. John Torr, Exchange-buildings 2 2 0
Mr. James Stephenson, Vauxhall-road
Mrs. Alinson, St. James's-street
Mr. W. B, Falcon, Shaw-street, Everton 1 1 0
Messrs. G. and A. Herring, Brunswick-street
Mrs. Ellis, Field-street, Everton 1 1 0
Mr. William Jones, 23, St. James's street ' 010 6
Mr. David Tyrer, Wilton-street 0 10 6
1). H. GIBSON, Secretary.

DISTRICT PROVIDENT SOCIETY,
OFFICE, 4, QUEEN-SQUARE.
MHE Treasurer begs to acknowledge the receipt of
1 the following Additional Donations
Messrs. Barton, Irlam, and Higginson .e3o 0
Collection at St. Mary's Church, Kirkdale, after a
Sermon by Rev. D. James 2O 0 0
Ralph Zwilchenbart, Esq., Bale, per Geo. 11. Law-
rence, Esq., Msyor •
Mr. Wombwell, being theamount received for the ad-
missions to the Exhibition of Wild Beasts during
the whole of Thiiriddy, the 11th instant, per M. M.
G: Dolling, Esq .... 16 6 6
The Workmen in the employ of Mes,irarlawlins and.
Son, Sutton Works, near Rai beiqg the eiti-
matettNost of their 'And estival, relinquished
this year, and sent for t elief of the Destitute .. 10 10 0
Mrs. P. Bourne
Alexander Maxwell q.
Great Howard-s t Loan Society lO 0 0
G. D. lO 0 0
Ottiwell Wood, Esq., per Mercury-office
James Holme, Esq., per Mercury-office lO 0 0
Christopher Rawson, Esq.
The Welsh Calvinistic Methodists of Liverpool, per
Mr. D. Davies
Mrs. Matthews, Wavertree 5 0 0
Miss Freeland 5 0 0
First Chronicles, 29th ch., 14th v 5 0 0
Thomas Morris, Esq., per Mercury-office 5 0 0
W. H. Beckett, Esq
Miss Thornley 5 0 0
Lawrence Frost, Esq
Wm. Myers, junior, Esq 5 0 0
Workmen at Messrs. Bury, Curtis, and Kennedy's
Foundry, per Mercury-office
John l'ritt, Lsq
James Butler, Esq
Thomas Chalmer, junior, Esq
George Dobell, Esq
From a little boy, per G. S
Mr. Robert Shute
Thomas Dodge, Esq
Miss Backhouse, Wavertree
A Friend
Mrs. W. H. Lake, per Mercury-office.
Mr. J. P. Platt, per Mercury-office.
Col. Williams, per Mercury-office
Mr. George Baker
F., per It. A. Payne, Esq...
A. P.
Mr. William Oulton

2000

3 0 0
2 2 0
2 0 0
2 0 0
2 0 0
1 10 0
1 1 0
1 1 0
1 1 0
1 0 0
1 0 0
1 0 0
I 0 0
1 0 0
1 0 0
0 10 0
0 10 0

SUBSCRIPTIONS in Liverpool for the Destitute
Inhabitants of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland.
Amount already Advertised ......e2485 Os. 9d.
Proportion of the Col- Collection made by the
lection at the Unita- Workmen employed
rian Chapel, Para- at Messrs. Bury,
dise-street £loo 0 0 Curtis, and Kenne-
John Hoyes 25 0 0 dy's,dlarenceFoun-
Henry Howard, Grey- dery, per Mercury-
stock Castle, per office. R 6 7 6
Geo. Grant....
David Cannon & Son. 25 0 0 Thomas Bell
Robertson Gladstone. 20 0 0 Anonymous ..
Wm. Jackson, M'Con- Ditto..,,
non, and Ronald .. 20 0 0 Wil • Douglas
John Anderson 2O 0 0 D: 41'.
Warden and Co. .... 20 0 # ohn Wood 1 0 0
Kenneth Dowie ' 20 ' 0 Collection at the Old-
Proportion of Contri- ham-street Church,
bution by the Con- after a Sermon by
gregation of : the Rev. J. Reid
Mark's Churc )er Wm. M'Cracken
Rev. W. Pol .ck .. 15 0 0 Thos. M‘Whinney
Buchanan, Browne, & R. and A. Henderson. 20 0 0
Co. lO 10 0 O'Connel and Gould 2O 0 0
James Buchanan .... 10 10 OR. C. Crosbie lO 10 0
James P. Logan lO 0 0 Thos. and Wm. Paton 10 10 0
Thomas Jeffreys lO 0 0 Geo. and Thos. Irving 10 0 0
Archibald Kelso
John Barbour
Daniel Neilson
J. and W. Wilson lO 0 0 William Smith
J. and S. Beckwith .. 5 5 0 A Friend, per Win.
W.. 1 , 5 0 0 M'Cracken 5 0 0
Dr. John M`Naught.. 5 0 0 William Kilgour
Mrs. W. M. Moss.... 5 0 OJ. It. Darsie
Dr. Cowan
J. M`Murdo
William Garrow .... 5 0 0 Andrew E. Byrne 5 0 0
Alexander Thomson . 5 0 0 Julius Focke
Thomas Anderson .. 5 0 0 Strong and Reid
Robt. Lamont
Miss M`lver
P. M. Carson 5 0 0 Henry Fraser and Son 5 0 0
S. Gladstone (second) 5 0 0 A Friend 3 0 0
Proprietor of the Mail Thomas Sill
' and Express
William Duncan .... 5 0 OF. and C 2 0 0
Charles Saunders.... 5 0 0 Algernon Fr. Jones 2 0 0
James M'Arthur .... 4 0 OA. Thompson 2 0 0
Thomas Morecroft . 2 2 OW. C. and Son 2 0 0
John Cunningham .. 2 2 OD. and Co 2 0 0
Alex. M`Gregor 2 0 OA. and G. Martin.... 5 0 0
J. W. Fairclough
John Finch, jun.
Sundry small subscrip- " Fair Orleans" 1 1 0
tions,perD.M`Nicol 1 18 OC. Hemery 1 1 0
G.
John Pearson 1 0 0 William Parke
Isaac Tyson
Gould and Davies.... 1 0 0 Leone Levi 1 0 0
W. C. Fraser 1 0 OF. Robinson
Robert Crawford .... 1 0 0 Wm. Parkinson
R. Grindlay
W. Grindlay, jun..... 1 0 0 Scott and Everett 1 0 0
Wm. Bell 1 0 OH. M.
Robert Shaw 1 0 OT. H 1 0 0
Sundries
A few Chelsea Pen- iPerHenryFraser&Son 0 10 0
sioners OlB 6 Brown, Todd, and Co. 5 0 0
E. F., per the Standard 010 0 Henry Caw 2 0 0
John Hill
Dr. Roche'
W. Halliday, Everton 010 0 BoysoftheCaledoni-
Proportion of Contri- anFreeSchool,tobuy
butions at Seaforth, oatmeal tomakepor-
-50 in cash, and 60 ridge for the poor
barrels Indian corn starving little boysin
meal, value £lOO, theH ighlandsandls-
per T. Jenkinson l5O 0 i lands of Scotland.. 013 l 0
Proportion of Collec- James Steel 5 0 0
tions made by the Collection at St. An-
Wesleyan Methodist drew'sScotchChurch
Congregations in Rodney-street; after
Liverpool and Bir- a sermon by the
kenhead, per S. B. Rev. J. Park, 111. A.,
Healy
Robert Jamieson
Mrs. Thornton, of the ready subscribed by
Elms, West Derby 5O 0 i parties connected
Wm. Bellany ..
James Jack 2O 0 0 tion
Williams and Park .. 20 0 OT. T. and Sons
WAndrevvs, Pilcher, Collection in Scotch
and Co lO 10 0 S2cession Church, in
Jones, Bland, and Co 10 0 0 Mount-pleasant.... 110 0 10
0
Wm. Aloon lO 0 0 Rev. J. Alex. Wilson ? 1 0
Douglas Hebron
1 o 0
Great Howard-street A Friend, per G. A...
Loan Society 5 0 0 James Hughes ...... 5 0 0
Member of the
Committee, M'Culloch, surgeon 5 0 0
coFmumrtlirtreeS,uabtsctrhipetißonars.l 1:Iel
e received
t: xnbg),::ltniTe
Underwriters'-
room, the Athenaeum, and the Lyceum, and by the Treastwer
and Secretary.

CI3ARLF.S AVIVER, Esq., Secretary,
JOHN CLOW, Esq., Treasurer,

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SUPPLY OF GAS IN LIVERPOOL

On Tuesday, C. Ellison and George Lowe, the govern-

'rent officers appointed to make inquiries as to the sup-
ply of gas in Liverpool, resumed their sitting.

The first
of the Gua
Mr. Swift,
been accustei

witness called to-day was /
/dim Gas Company. He N
_ . -

sidered the c

3licitor forthecom

knufactu

r. Cox, engineer
is examined by
and said he had
as, and had con-

as to tl

)se-d
ere

Guardian Gas Company is about 200 yards fa
the t

pany,
produci

n than the irop; sect new

The wort

had been in
the creatior
public lam!
taken his d

of heat

content to sup

per 1,000 feet,
price. He wa.

would
the pric

cost ot

was als(

and his cl
The loss 1

-was a 1
Liverpo

the comp
coke mad

that pt
and to

235. M

mated at 16:
12rs. per ton

a ton of cam
proposed ne'
expendituro
100 millions

a dividend of 7
boriowed. Ti
thousand feet,
on examinatior

and the put
twelve mon

that he had co.

town of
the

of the Okl Com-

hick is a low situ

the proposed new_ main

,ss whi

to sell at. a lea
the town lamps

dso pri

100 feet of

The patent v

osed to
1 which

ne for
1 light
ar. He had

Ain that, estimating the public
t, the return to the proprietors
the sale exceeded 100,000,000,
r would be reduced. The total

ke, and

gas at 'I

was is. 10d

al were selling ti

Land he had esti-

the pit mouth was
ited the profits of the residue of
;. 2d. per ton. The cost of the
estimated at £115,4300 ; the total
_, and the estimated produce of
of eas at £24,825. This would yield

;ent. for money

.
.ge for the 1
3 10s. 6d. f

for five mit

contract to supply the town
he had mentioned, at about
Ling of the bill. He also stated

Lstructed

ett or twc

,s works fi

various towns, and that his plan was peenliaily applicable
to a place like Liverpool, where there was a large demand
for- coke. If the company were to buy their own coal, and
sell their coke, the cost of the gas would not be so much
as his estimate by a shilling per thousand feet ; and at one
manufactory at Bristol they made their gas for less than

nothir
from t
their g
Mr. Ov

e great.profif to the company would arise
of coke, and this would enable them to sell

LLIAMS was the next witness, and the
tendency of his evidence went to show that the Guardian
Gas Company had made a provisional bargain for the land
for their works, and he thought that if the landowner
were to introduce gas into hous
nual rental, it would b

nants, and the consumpt,
This concluded the cas.
The TOWN-CLERK r

Committee, which was
ence would arise from

great accommodation to the te-
m would be increased ten-fold.

for the bill

a resolution of the Paving

he effect that great inconveni-

taking up the pavement in the
y be justified on the ground of the

i could

Intage, and that they wished to hear ti
brought b.efore the court, before decidi

g as to what

steps ti

should take

WEDNESDAY

Mr. CARSOIS.

solicitor, at considerable length, ad

dressed the court. in opposition to the
Mr.- Swift. He denied that, as far as his

e estab:

concerned, there ha.c

,rnpany wa

been a forced reductior,

price of gas, except the reduction which took place in
1841, in compliance with a clause inserted in the act of
Parliament. It was quite clear, he said, that the present
companies, with their present consumption and present
mode of manufacture, could not produce gas at the rate
of 3s. Bd. per 1,000 cubic feet. Mr. Cox's patent, al-
thoegh it bad been taken out for six or seven years, had
not been adopted by any large town ; and he contended
that the commissioners could not favourably report upon
a scheme the success of which so much depended upon
getting an excellent market for coke, any steady demand
for which, he contended, had not been sufficiently proved.
Mr. Carsbn, at great length, then proceeded to reply to
what he called an imputation cast out by Mr. Swift, that
the present companies (after being bound by the under-
stood agreement in the

mons to amalgamal

mrimitteeof the House of Com-
me the Guardian Gas' Bill re-

jected), had only come down to Liverpool and "met to
differ," so that no such arrangement had been carried
out.—Mr. Carson, at his own request, was sworn, and
gave evidence, from a transcript of the minutes of the
company he represented, of the proceedings taken rela-
tive to the amalgamation. From his evidence it appeared
that a meeting of the sub-committees of the two compa,
nies was held at the office in Dale-street, on the 15th of
Nay, 1845, (Mr. Thompson, (one of the deputation from
the Newington company,) in the chair. The meeting
differently interpreted the words of the printed paper
brought before the House of Commons, and ti

was that the, conferer

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broke up. Mr. Thompson considered that the object sought
by the paper was that the committee should only make a

preliminary inquiry into the subject of amalgamation ;
Mr. Fosberry stated that his committee did not entertain
this view, but held that the object sought by the paper
was that the companies should consider how far the spirit
of amalgamation might-be carried out in the present in-
stance, without any view to further parliamentary arrange,
meat. Afterwards, the Liverpool Gas Company trans-
mitted to the New Gas and Coke Company a resolution,
stating that tlie committee were strongly impressed with
the opinion that the general spirit of the printed paper
submitted to- the Commons, and especially the disth.et
language of the assurance it contained, required the car-

'
Tying out of the spirit of amalgamation and they much
regretted that the New Gas and Coke Company did not
think so. But, it added, if the other committee did not
think this arrangement should be fully carried out, there
might be some mutual arrangement made for the purpose
of economy. In this resolution the committee, with the
exception of Mr. Richard Earle, were unanimous. To
this the New Gas and Coke Company returned a reply,
that although they still held the view that the printed
paper did not entail any obligation, they were ready to
meet the other committee, with the view to economising,
so as to enable them to reduce gas to the lowest possible
rate. This was the last document which passed.
Mr. LLoYI, in a very lengthy speech, then addressed
the court, as solicitor to the New Gas and Coke Company.
He recited the various acts which they had obtained, re-
ferred to the-amount and nature of the capital, and then

entered into long details, in justification o his own com-
panyr in-reference to the question of amalgamation. The
histery given by Mr. Carson, he thought, did not begin
sufficiently early. The amalgamation contemplated was,

the purchase of the two companies by the Corporation.
The subject was considered by the Council; they approved
of amalgamation, but declined the purchase. At a joint
meeting of the members of both committees, held on the
15th March, 1845, it was resolved to recommend to their
respective proprietors, who would be immediately con-
vened to consider the subject, that an act of Parliament
should be applied for in the session of 1846, for the amal-
gamation of the two companies—that the terms of amal-
gamation, as to the capital, &c., of the two companies,
should be agreed upon as soon as possible, any difference
to be referred to arbitration ;—that until the act should
be obtained, the affairs of the two companies, so far as
they' referred to the outlay of further capital, should be
under each other's control, so that the public might reap
the advantage immediately the amalgamation might take
place ;—that the committees pledged themselves to reduce
the price of gas on and after the Ist of December, 1816,
provided the price of coal did not exceed its present
price ;—and that the foregoing resolutions were not to
bind the preSent companies in_case a third company ob-

tamed power to supply gas in Liverpool. These resolu-
tions were transmitted to the Corporation, a committee
of which, together with the old Highway Board, resolved,
that the three former clauses in the resolution sent were
approved of ; but requested that the pro Posed reduction
to 4s. 6d. should commence in July, and that it should
be the maximum price, not contingent on the price of
coal, nor any other event ; and also requesting that a
councillor or councillors should be chosen on the com-
mittee of the amalgamated companies. The New Gas
and Coke Company, met on the 22nd March to consider
this,resolution, and wisely he (Mr. Lloyd) considered,
came to a resolution to the following effect :—" That a
letter be written to Mr. Earle, chairman of the T
-4 Light C -nany, informing hiw. 4-1

Gas .
tion received through him was this morning fully consi-
dered by the directors of this company, who unanimously
decided that it was so far beyond the terms the companii
could have anticipated, that any further meetings are un-
necessary." Mr. Lloyd, in continuation, said —" so
much for amalgamation ; and if at this time the Corpo-
ration think the town would be better served by amalga-
mation, I am sure the companies are now, as in 1845,
ready to sell their works to the public authorities ; but I
am sure we will never consent, either the one company or
the other, to have our funds placed under their control,
while they have no personal interest in, and are not i:e-
sponsible for their administration."

Mr. HENRY STEELS, secretary and manager of the
New Gas and Coke Company, was then examined at
length as to financial, &c., affairs. He stated that the
company had a building nearly erected, which would
enable themto supply double their present supply of gas,
and the apparatus to which was to be furnished as the
demand increased. To carry out these works, an addi-
tional capital of £105,000 would be required. The di-
vidend on the year eniting 30th June last was £6 13s. 9d. ;
but this year, proportionately up to the present time, -it
would not exceed £6ls. id.
Mr. Steele was severely cross-examined by Mr. Swift,
and:subsequently Mr. Reap.
We subjoin, as somewhat amusing, a portion of Mr.
Steele's cross-examination by Mr. Swift
Ike you ,agree with Mr. Lloyd or not, that it is a good
thing to have two companies ?—I thick it is better in se-
vered respects.
la what respects conceive that the public are better
satisfied by having two places to go 'to; because if they

do not like the treatment-of one they can go to another.
Then, if there be three, won't the advantage be greater ?
(Laughter.) No. I think you may carry it top far. You
will tear the streets up. I think two are better than
three: (Loud laughter.)
Did that occur to you when< you went for your own
bill thought two better than any other number, of
course. _ _

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But, how is it you fix that two should be a positive advan-
tage to the public, and three a disadvantage ?—Why, there
are three companies there is of course a larger expendi-
ture of capital.—And when there ore two companies, is

not there a larger expenditure than when there is only
one ? Is not that true ? Yes. But there is competi-
tion. , Two companies excite a reasonable, a wholesome
competition. (Laughter.)
In consequence of the illness of Mr. Cox, the engineer,
the inquiry was then adjourned till ten o'clock on
Saturday.