The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-06-08 00:00:00

TO THE REVEREND DR. BUTLER

Sin,—You have already stated, in your published lecture,
that you considered your coming to Liverpool " an excellent
opportunity to discuss the points of difference between you
and your Protestant friends."

In the same lecture you say, " I require, as a sine qua non
condition, that Mr. Baylee be competent to meet me in dis-
cussion, and also to answer my published lectures." Upon
that condition you declare that you will be " ever found ready
to discuss with him the points controverted between (Roman)
Catholics and Protestants."

I hare now, Sir, publicly answered your lectures, and have
offered you an undeniable test of competency. That test I
beg again to repeat. lam willing to submit to a public ex-
amination by you on the following subjects, provided you
give nie the same opportunity of publicly examining you:—
I. The English

2. The Hebrew Bible and Greek Testament.
3. The Gieek Septuagint, with its influence, and that of
the Hebrew language, on New Testament Greek.
4. The Latin Vulgate, and the influence of its phrases on
some modern errors.

5. The Chaldee, Samaritan, and Syriac Versions, as found
in Walton's Polvglott.

6. The influence of the Jewish and Heathen Philosophy
on Christian Writings.
7. The opinions of the principal ecclesiastical writers, and
the history of the Christian Church.

I write not this, Sir, in any vain-glorious boasting. I have
reluctantly offered this test upon the advice of valued clerical
brethren ; and I feel it right to say, that with regard to the
Samaritan and the Syriac, my own acquaintance with them
is, at present, but that of a student. It is, however, sufficiently
deep to ascertain, that, in the remarks which you borrow
from others, they have misled you into a misquotation of
Bishop Walton and a mistranslation of the Syriac Testament.
When I offer such a test of competency you cannot plead my
unfitness for controversy. I therefore call upon you to re-
deem your pledge, and offer you three modes of discussion :-
1. To DEFEND TOUR OWN PRINTED LECTURES.
I am prepared to prove that you misstate Protestant doc-
trines, that you mistranlate Scripture, that you contradict
the Fathers, that you contradict yourself, that von teach
heresies, that you degrade Christ to the rank of a created
angel, and that you violate the creed of Pope Pius.
If it would be inconvenient to you to brine these solemn
charges to a public test, I offer you a second mode of trying
the claims of the Church of Rome.
2. I am ready to prove
THAT A DECREE OF A GENERAL COUNCIL CONDEMNS
THE POPE AS A DEGRADED BISHOP ;
and that

Romish priests exercising their ministry in this country
are intruders and schismatics.

3. Or, if you prefer the original terms proposed by me, I
AM ready to prove :

1. Thai the Church of Rome has apostatised from the true
faith of Christ.

2. That Romish priests, exercising their ministry in this
country are schismatics.

3. That the Church of England is the only branch of the
Catholic Church existing in England.
If you refuse to meet, not only Englishmen, but thinking
Irishmen also, will come to the conclusion that you know
that Romish doctrines will not bear the light of God's
word, and will see the reason why "vicars apostolical" and
others prefer discussions, without an opponent, within the
walls of a Roman Chapel, to a fair, open discussion with a
competent clergyman.

Trusting that this correspondence may be directed by a
gracious God to the opening of the eyes of many now involved
in Papal and other darkness,
I am, Sir, your obedient Servant,
JOSEPH BAYLEE.
Parkfield, Woodside, June 7, 1841.

IMMORAL PUBLICATIONS,

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

SlR,—Living in a Christian society, as I do, my mind has
oftentimes been shocked by the exhibition of immoral cheap.
publications, such as the "Penny Satirist," and others of
the same class, calculated, in a very eminent degree, to de-
moralise the rising generation, and the lower order of society
generally. But what are our magistrates doing, not to put
an end to the sale of such things on the Lord's day I assure
you, Mr. Editor, that in my neighbourhood they are placed
in the window of a small shop on the Sabbath day as on every
day in the week. Now, sir, if this be reform, my aunt says
the sooner we get quit of it the better, and she is doing all
she can to persuade her friends to vote for the conservatives
in the expected election, who, she says, will instantly put a
stop to such work. Perhaps you will let this go into your
paper on Tuesday, and oblige A CONSERVATIVE.
[We are glad to see that people identify conservatism with
an abhorrence of immorality. Our present incapables care
nothing about the profanation of the Sabbath, or the circula-
tion of the most abominable trash, provided that is only be-
spattered with a due proportion of abuse of the " tory aris-
tocracy," or of any interest which Englishmen, " as they
ought to be," hold dear.—En. L. S.]

LIFE-BOATS ON BOARD STEAMERS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.
SIR,—I venture to suggest, through the medium of your
paper, the expedience of every large vessel, especially steam-
ers, being furnished with a life-boat. In cases of wreck or
other emergency, it might be made available to the convey-
ance of a whole ship's company to shore, when all other
means of escape were cut of; and if even it should fail of
rescuing persons, it might prove serviceable in preserving
valuable documents, 8,•c., and in putting an end to the ago.
nizing suspense of relations and friends. and the anxious,
spe-
culations of a sympathizing public, by informing them of tei
situation of a vessel, and the expected destiny of the crew
and passengers.
I am not aware of any ship er steamer being thus provided.
If, however, my ignorance of nauticalnauticalaffairs misleads me is
his respect, or there is any thing which readers the adoption

of my hint impracticable, "some one of your eorrespendents
will, perhaps, be good enough to satisfy me on these points.
Should 1, on the other hand, have been sufficiently fortunate
to originate an idea which may be improved upon, and be.
come useful in its results to humanity, 1 shall be truly grati-
fied ; remaining, sir, your obedient servant,
Bedford, June 4th, 1811.
COur correspondent will be glad to learn that the practice
which he recommends is, in many instances, humanely re-
sorted to. Several of the liners front this pert to New York,
carry out life-boats, and, for anything we know to the con-
trary, the custom may be very general ; but the suggestion
is worthy of universal adoption.—En. L. S

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LORD SANDON AND MR. CRESSWELL

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

Sitt,—The appoaching general election ought to put men
upon the consideration of principles. When it is argued
that Lord Sandon and Mr. Cresswell ought not to be le-
turned again as the members for this borough—one because
he is lord, and the other because he is a lawyer---a case has
arisen for reference to principles by the friends of those
estimable gentlemen. On general principles, therefore, I
purpose to treat of the matter of their return in the present
letter, with which I take the liberty of troubling you.
I shall, for the present, defer the consideration of Lord
Sandon's qualifications. That he is a lord is no objection at
all, with all deference to the dogmas which old Cal. Williams
is in the habit of setting up. His lordship possesses that to
which the addition of a title certainly gives more influence
but which, without the title, would, in this country, make
the way to one. Never let it be forgotten, that the highest
ranks in our aristocracy—an aristocracy unequalled in for-
tune, intellect, and energy by any of any age or nation—are
open to all who possess the ambition, united with the nem-
sary activity, to enter upon the golden path. Lord Sand=
is just such a man as would have achieved these honours ;
that he has been born to them is indeed " an accident of
fortune ;" but because he is the subject of such an accident
is no reason why he should not have a honest desire to serve
his constituents. These are only a very few suggestions which
I recommend to enter into a consideration of principles;
others which shall embrace a larger latitude I purpose, Mr.
Editor, to defer till a future number of your useful paper.
As to Mr. Cresswell, it seems that it is his misfortune to
be a lawyer. Until Lord Palmerston and Sir Joshua Walms-
ley were thought of as the members for Liverpool, people
were in the habit of deeming clients rather than lawyers
unhappy, and to condole with one with much more sincerity
than the other, when they were dismayed at the approach of
some impending calamity. It is of course nothing that Mr.
Cresswell has fought his way through a host of competitors,
whose talents need no praise, to a station which the majority
of our judges have not had the power to hold. It is of
course nothing that he is possessed of powers of uncommon
application, preventing him from having his attention dis-
tracted by any multiplicity of business, and a mind which
enables him to grasp the most comprehensive subjects in all
their details with a tenacity more than equal to all their
complexity. It is of course nothing that he is of invaluable
assistance to his noble, and I hope future colleague, in the
consideration of all legal matters appertaining to Liverpool.
It is of course nothing that he is, almost without exception,
the most rising man of the day, for a comparatively young
one, and rapidly winning his way to the very highest offices
a subject can hold. It is of course nothing that he is mi-
nutely acquainted with the history, manners, religion, and
interests, internal as well as external, of his country. All
these are as nothing, because Mr. Creswell has had the
misfortune to be bred a lawyer, and to have become an emi-
nent lawyer, too. The fact is, that some lawyers of less
repute have had more to do in depreciating the merits of
the learned gentleman than most people are aware of. Pro.
bably, Mr. Editor, you will understand this allusion.

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As to lawyers having seats in parliament, that question
has been long set at rest, and why Mr. Cresswell's opponents
should attempt to revive such exploded doctrines, I cannot
conceive, seeing that the world very generally had given
them credit for being what is called liberals." The same
objection, with variations that an ingenious man would find
no difficulty in making, might serve against corn dealers,
sharebrokers, railway speculators, and also speculators in
national offices, of which class, hitherto without an appro-
priate name, there is no lack in this country. The true
design of the objection is what is called " clap-trap," a term
that explains itself, and will be best understood by these who
make most use of it. The cry for a repeal of the corn-laws,
for an abolition of church rates, for the ruin of our West
Indian colonies, and many others prevalent at this moment,
each and all are a specimen of " clap-trap."
I have thus ventured to suggest one or two general prin-
ciples for the consideration of your readers ; and trusting
they will not be without their influence,---I am, Sir, yours
most respectfully, PENSATORE.
7th „Tune, 1841.

1101.15.00•VMINIMOMMI

PALM ERSTONIANA

(For the Liverpool Standari.)

INTERCEPTED PROTOCIA

(No. 3.)

MY VERY DEAR KNIGHT,—Whilst there is nothing which
I, in Conjunction with her majesty's government, deprecate
more than the introduction of religions matters in politics,
yet I must confess that there is something important in the
hint contained in your last despatch with reference to ray
personal opinions upon the subject of religion ; or rather, as
to which are the best to be adopted as canvassing opinions.
But I must drop the diplomatic tone. I would at once pre-
fess popery, as you recommend ; but really I don't think
that the Romanists themselves care much about the mess,
provided they secure the measures which they require. You,
Sir Joshua, for instance, call yourself " a consistent ehurok.
man ;" and does the most rampant Roman for a moment
doubt that you will advance the views of his church less
effectually than if you bad kissed the pope's great toe fifty
times, or gone down on your knees in the kennel, before the
popish bishop, like that vagabond O'Connell, whom (between
ourselves) I hate most cordially, although, as the old pro-
verb says, "needs must when the devil drives"? It will, I
trust, be quite sufficient that I am a member of that govern-
ment which is willing to wink at the doings of the ribbon
conspiracy in Ireland, and patronizes the repeal agitation,
whilst we have declared ourselves ready to deal "heavy
blows and great discouragements" upon the Church of Eng.
land. This, with the destruction levelled, by our anti-corn-
law measure, against the Irish landlords, ought surely to
satisfy old Mother Jezebel, as your M`Neile calls her,4witla-
out any conversion. I would make the sacrifice, however;
but I don't think there is much to be got by it!
I think the best canvassing topic for eject, will be the
cheap bread cry and my foreign policy—(which, you must
admit, has been surprisingly lucky)---if that confounded
Eliot don't put his foot in it again, and let those pig-tailed
Chinese get the windward side of him. That Lin, who
bamboozled him about the opium, was rather a sharp fellow,
considering he had not had the advantage of a regular diplo-
matic education, such as I can boast of; and this Keshin

may be quite as slippery.
I have just received a letter from some of your local
" pathriots," as Dan calls them, whose name I don't at this
moment recollect, (but it had " secretary" at the end of it,)
requesting to know precisely what amount the Treasury will
allow for " resurrections" and for " making safe." I don't
know what he means by " resurrections"—suppose it's some
contrivance of those artful dogs, " their riverences"—bet
am quite acquainted with the meaning of " making safe."
I have been practised upon myself in this line. Whoever Ist
is, the fellow must be a most egregious puppy—(yon knew
the meaning of the word " egregious," Sir Joshua, from the
derivation a gree—but, by the way, I remember, your
Latinity is not cultivated fully)—his secretaryship, however,
must be a great noodle to suppose that " OLD Past," as my
family call me, is to be caught in that way. No, ne ;
`' Litera scripta manet"—Latin again, confound it. I shall
refer him to you, Sir Knight. You aro awape what aum is
at my disposal, and must manage it as you think best. I
suppose the fellows think they are to have money by hods.
ful ! Between ourselves, Sir Joshua, secret service is pretty
well sweated already
I don't think the Welsh would do you much service in the
way of debating, for those stupid dogs, the reporters, couldn't
spell it. Bob Macauley tried some Hindoo one day, bet it
wouldn't go down at all. A strain upon the Welsh harp
might perhaps cause a sensation at the draining-room; but
the House of Commons don't like Welsh, since Brummagem
Muntz introduced his goatlike physiognomy amongst us.
They say his beard furnished the model for Tassaud's figure
of my old friend the Pasha ; but I scarcely believe it.

I'm getting quite gossiping you see, and am in better spirits
than I was a few days ago. What green geese be some of
these country squires—Handley and the rest of them

Adieu, Sir Knight,

Your faithful friend, and

Downing-street, 3d Jane

House of Commons, 8 p.m.
I open my despatch to communicate a caution upon the
subject last alluded to above. That Frenchified fellow, Lar.
pent, has been making a precious bungle of it at Nottingham
—confound that place ! It 'll be the ruin of us vet. For
goodness' sake, Sir Joshua, do be careful in your tactics IN