The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 1853.

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Witness The manuscript advertisements which are pro-
duced are written partly by myself, by Mr. Buckmaster, and
others.

By Mr. RODWELL , Besides the gentlemen whom I named,
hundreds came into the rooms of the central committee, many
of them for mere gossip. The business part of the committee
was conducted by Mr. Peacock and Mr. Bremner. I never
attended a ward committee meeting, nor was I present at any
of the ward rooms where the gentlemen published as the secre-
taries were acting in that capacity. The canvass showed a
majority for both Messrs. Turner and Mackenzie—a majority
for Mr. Turner of at least 2,000, that for Mr. Mackenzie being
1.600 or 1,800. That was three or four days before the election.
The map of the routes for the polling day was kept private, to
keep our opponents from having such a good plan.
John Banks: I live at 146, Park-row, Liverpool, and am a
voter. Shortly before last election I applied for a situation to
' a person named Parkhouse, who acted as clerk, I believe, to
the committee in the Great George Ward. Parkhouse intro-
duced me to Mr. Buckley Jones, and told him that I wanted
employment. In consequence of what was said I went to see
Mr. Thomas Inman, of the Albert Dock warehouse. I saw
him at the committee-room in the Royal Oak at Toxteth-park.
I got to be door-keeper, messenger, and partly canvasser. I
was so employed nine days. After that Mr. Inman paid me
ss. The committee of the Toxteth ward met at the Royal
Oak. Mr. Henry Steele was chairman. Mr. Inman was clerk.
The gentlemen who were members were Mr. Buckley Jones,
Mr. Troughton, Mr. W. H. Horsfall, Mr. J. L. Brewer, and
Mr. Wm. Fisher. I saw the members once at the Royal Oak.
A card was put up outside the room, stating that it was " Mac-
kenzie and Turner's committee.rooin." On the day of the
poll another room was taken for the convenience of polling. It
was an empty house opposite St. James's Church. The mem-
bers of the Royal Oak used this empty house. The gentlemen
most active in taking the voters in and out were Mr. Inman,
Mr. Robinson, and others.

By Mr. RODWELL : I was a hatter at one time. I have no
business now. When I saw the candidates at the Royal Oak
it was a public meeting. That was the only occasion on which
I saw them there. There used to be a little confusion there at
times, some of the men getting rather rough.
Joseph Grooby : lam a voter for Liverpool. I vote as an
occupier, not as a freeman. I know Mr. Thomas Williams.
He is clerk of the church, and is a sort of messenger
or collector for the Constitutional-office. I have known
him ten or twelve years. I know Mr. Buckmaster,
and I recollect, two months before the election, going
to Mr. Buckmaster with Mr. Williams, who introduced me to
that gentleman. He asked me if I was a voter and a protec.
tionist,—one on our side. Williams introduced me not only as
a voter, but one as could do a little. Mr. Williams and me
have been mixed up with the teetotallers, and knew I had some
popularity with the teetotallers, on account of speaking on
nearly all sorts of topics, just as they happened to be the order
of the day. He likewise introduced me as a regular brick—one
of the right sort, and as a bandmaster and musician. Mr.
Buckmaster looked for my name in the voters' list. A person
called upon me of the name of Birchall; but I was not in. I
afterwards called at his house in Richmond-row. He said that
Mr. Hatch wanted to see me relative to some music. Mr.
Hatch is the managing man for St. Anne's Ward; he conducts
the municipal election in that ward. Birchall is a broker, and
a very active man in the Liverpool Protection Society. He
appears to be directed by Hatch to go on messages, &c. I
have seen him at the Pontack. He had, when there, some-
thing to drink, nd went to where a voter was likely to be got,
regulating the election and throwing in his weed of assistance.
Though I was a teetotaller they treated me very kindly, pro-
viding me with every species of temperance liquid, and I could
have got as much as I liked to call for. I saw Mr. Birchall
there and in the street opposite his own house, actively helping
in the election, and a time or two I saw him at the Constitu-
tional Office, busying about the election. When I was there
he went into the central committee-office, while I and another
had to wait outside. I heard names called, Mr. Buckmaster
and others. He desired me to go to the Pontack, and see Mr.
Hatch relative to the band. The Pontack public-house is so
called from the people in the neighbourhood getting drink
upon tick—hence the " Pontack." (Laughter.) When I
went he recommended me to the Central Committee.
He said he should recommend me to the committee,
and do his best to the band. I said I knew I could
be employed on the other side, but he said it would be all right.
He put my name down. I thanked him and went away. That
is all that passed at that time, save that I was to call again. I
recollect a stout gentleman being there, whose name I did not
know then. He seemed to be similarity employed to Mr.
Birchall. I am not positive as to the name of the stout gen-
tleman, and I have seen him since in Liverpool. I know a
person named Manger, but he is not the man I mean. He
keeps a temperance coffee-shop. I called at the office of Mr.
Hatch two or three weeks before the election. He came down
to the bottom of the stairs, and I asked him if he would employ
me to canvass for his party. He said that he did not think be
could. He had no power vested in himself, but he would use
his influence with the Central Committee, and he appointed
me to meet him next day at three o'clock, at the committee.
There were three or four messengers outside, one of whom
went into the office to tell Mr. Hatch that he was wanted. He
came out, and he shook his head, and said he could do nothing
for me. I was to call upon him in a few days, and if anything
else transpired he would give me employment. I saw him in
two or three days at Ashley Brothers, and he told me that I
should be employed with another man to receive signatures in
the gallery at a meeting in the amphitheatre. We went to that
meeting, having been sent from the Central Committee-rooms
by Mr. Buckmaster. That meeting was called for the purpose
of " expounding largely " on protection—very preponderous,
and just like the mighty orations which our friend Wilkins
would make. (Laughter.) We had to ask parties to the gal-
leries to subscribe their names on the blank sheets supplied to
us. We used all our "suasions," as the Americans say, to
make them sign. I did the speaking, and my companion pro-
vided pen and ink. I sent in the estimate for providing the
music to Mr. Buckmaster at the Central Committee. I left it
at the office. Before I took it to the Central Committee I told
Hatch that I had it in my power to supply them with all the
bands that they would require.
It being now a quarter to four o'clock, the proceedings
closed before the last witness had finished bis evidence. During
nearly the whole of the day Mr. Turner was present. and several
members of the house, including Mr. Munta and Mr. Locke,
paid a visit to the committee-room.

It transpired in the course of this day's proceedings, that
one of the witnesses, Thomas Parkinson, a shipbuilder, who
was to be called to prove bribery, bad, in a fit of delirium
tremens, made away with himself early that morning.

and had voted at all elections since, and at the last election for
Mackenzie and Turner. Did not know who canvassed him,
but he went up on his own account to the committee-room,
where business was done at the Royal Oak, Toxteth-park,
where voters met together. There was a bill stuck up over it,
" Mackenzie and Turner's committee-room." He was there
several times, and remembered Mr. Buckley Jones speaking to
him about his vote. Saw Mr. W. Fisher there the same even-
ing, and Jones asked him who he was going to vote for, and
witness told him he was going to vote for Mackenzie and Tur-
ner. He was then in the employ of Cato and Miller. Nothing
was said by them about the ss. Mr. Jones said he should not
lose his "day's pay," and he told him to go and see Fisher,
and lie would tell him what house to come to. This was the
day before the election.
Cross-examined : Always intended to vote for Turner and
Mackenzie. Did not sell his vote for 55., nor would he for
20s. Had not the least notion he was doing this, nor had the
other men either. If any one had said to him " Come and
vote for 55.," he would have knocked them down ; ss. did not
pay for his day's work, which was then 6s. a day ' • and the
men who went to vote lost their day's work, and also the work
of the day before. Witness lost 125. and got only ss. Fisher
knew how witness was going to vote before he voted for Turner
and Mackenzie. True, he was always a warm "red," and
would not have voted for Cardwell if he had instead of ss.
From what he had seen and read of Cardwell in the paper he
did not like him at all—(laughter)—and that feeling prevailed
in Liverpool with the other men who voted " red." They
were dissatisfied with Cardwell on the navigation laws, and
that was the principal reason they and he voted against him.
By Mr. FRESHFISLD: Told Mr. Jones how he meant to
vote before he said anything about the day's pay. Told the
other men to go to the Sefton Arms, but did not say they
would get the money. Told thew to go because he thought
they would get the money as a present.
Thomas Crossley, a shipwright and freeman : Voted for
Mackenzie and Turner. Was in the Toxteth-park ward, and
went to the..Sefton Arms. Was told to go there by Fisher the
day before the election, who said, " You will vote with me to-
morrow." Was working for Mr. Major at the time of the
election. Mr. Major was a shipbuilder. Fisher said nothing
about his day's pay before the election. There was no one at
work at the ships on the Wednesday. Mr. Fisher paid him 55.,
but lie could not say if he paid the others the same. Witness
voted for Turner and Mackenzie, but he got the sa. for the
day's loss of work.

Cross-examined : His wages were 6s. at Major's, but he
knocked off on the election day. It was his own fault he did not
go back to work, but he had, perhaps, taken a little too much.
Had always voted red, and intended all along to vote for Mac •
kenzie and Turner. No one had any doubt on which side he
would vote.
William Dod : Was a freeman of Liverpool, and voted for the
" Reds." Mackenzieand Turner, and had always voted " red,"
Was working for Mr: Cato at the time, on board the Laurel,
with four other men. Evan Jones kept a beer-shop, and lie
asked witness if he might put their names down. Vvitness re-
fused at first, but afterwards gave his consent, saying, '•We
may as well give him our names, whether we go to his house
or not." Saw him on the morning he was going to poll. Did
not work that day, or the day before, or after. Went to the
Oak on the Saturday following, and received Is. 6d. out of the
55., having a little drop of ber there, amounting to 3s. 6d.,
anti it was deducted, and he squared things, Evan Jones's
wife gave him the change.
By Mr. SMITH : Always voted red, but voted once for Mr.
Ewart. It was not the day's pay made him go and vote, as he
would not sell his vote for five times ss.
Joseph Underwood: Was a freeman and shipwright of Liver-
pool, in the Canning graving dock. Evan Jones spoke to him
about his vote, and asked him if he was engaged to go to any
house to vote. Jones told him if he would go to his house and
poll from there he would give him his day's pay. Witness
went accordingly and voted. On the Saturday he went for his
pay, and Evan Jones wives him the is. himself.
Cross-examined • Went to Jones's house to oblige him. Had
always voted " Red," and had made up his mind to vote for
Turner and Mackenzie. This going to Evan Jones's had not
a bit to do with his vote.

Robert Cooke: a freeman and carpenter of Liverpool. Had:
voted at two general elections before the last. Was in Toxteth.

ward, and was in J. Maclane's employment, working on the
ship British Queen. Evan Jones said if he would go to his-
house he would receive a day's wages, ss. He told him he wa,s,
to poll from there, and he understood he was to have the day's
wages, 55., for the loss of his time. Had made up his mind to
vote for Turner and Mackenzie, and if they had put .47,000 or
WO guineas in his hands be would not have-polled for the other
party. (Laughter.) Jones did not say anything about whom
he was going to vote for, as witness had told him. Went again
to Evan Jones's in the evening by his own inclination, and to
the Oak on the Saturday to get the money, but did not know
whether he got the ss. or not, because he was Thought
he got the ss. but could not say for certain, but found ltd. in
his pocket. on the Sunday. Did not know if it was in his
pocket when he went to Evan Jones's.- Could not say if lie re-
ceived the 55., for he was so tipsy that he could not swear it.
Managed to get home that night ; but could not tell who paid
him or whom he saw.

William Harris, freeman and; shipwright Toted for Turner
and Mackenzie, and went to poll from Evan Jones's, and was
working at Mackey and Miller's. Jones was a fellow-workman,
and asked him if he would vote-from his house, as-he would be
paid for his election day, and might as-well vote from his house
as any other. That was the first he heard about being paid.
It was on. the Monday he told him-this. Ada quarter-past nine
o'clock on the polling day he went to Evan Jones's, but could
not say if Jones told him when he-would have the money. He
got some money from Jones a week after, on-a Sunday morn-
ing. Did not see any one else receive the same money,. Jones
gave him ss. He did not ask him: to vote, but only to-come to
his house.

Cross-examined : Always voted for the "Red ''' party, but
at the last' election but one voted for Manners, and Cardwell.
Would not have gone to Jones's if he had not askedliiin. It
was to oblige•him as a fellow-workman, and the ss. hadnothing
to do with his vote.

Charles Burroughs : Did not vote at the last elections though
on the register. Was foreman to Cato and Miller's, shipbuilders.
Was paid by weekly wages, hut some he• received quarterly.
Did not receive any money at the Old Oak at the last election.
Knew Evan,Jbnes,. who kept it. Did not see any people being
paid money. No one ever called: upon him on the subject of
his vote. Mild voted at former elections, but there was no
particular reason why he did not vote at the last. Ile had a
vote, but they did not want it. Was-asked for his-vote, but
did not give- it. They had plenty of votes without bothering
him.

Cross-examined : His only reason for not voting was•because
he thought it was-not required. Left Jones's at twelve-o'Clock
on the polling day, and by that time Turner and Mackenzie
were a-head by a large majority.
By Mr_ BAIL: Jones came awhput the ss. in my hand,. and
said a good night." and witness. did.not ask him why be gave
it him.

By Mr. FRESHTIELD:. Understood it was a kind of'intro-
duction hiagoing to Jones's house, which was just opened, and
a favour on his part to cut up the beef. Witness received 7s.
a day, and..,,516 a quarter, at Cato and Miller's.
The committee here adjourned.

on the Saturday night. After I had polled I did not go back to
the Royal Oak I went to my own house. I did not receive
any money during that week or the next from any other person.
I was not at the Old Oak that week or the next, except on the
polling day. I did not receive any money for any person at
the Old Oak from any body. I know Evan Jones ; I received

on Saturday ss. for my day's wages. I received it from
who got it from Mr. Storey. I was not present when Storey
gave the money to Jones. I know Storey gave it to Jones,
because Jones told me on Saturday night. Evan Jones is a
shipwright, and worked in our yard. It was from him I first
learned that I was to have the 53. It was Evan Jones who

gave it me. Storey was in his office at the time. Evan Jones
gave me the whole of my wages into my hand from Mr. Storey.
He said there was ss. for my day's wages. Evan Jones is a
working man in the yard, like myself. Buckley Jones is the
master; Storey, the cash-keeper; and Evan Jones, a workman
like myself, and the keeper of the public-house. Evan Jones
told me the ss. was for the nomination day.
By the CHAIRMAN: I did not get paid from Storey's own
hands. I was a day and-a-half short of my week's work.
By Mr. BALL : Nothing was said to me of paying me for
voting at the election before I polled, but heard of it a quarter
of an hour before I voted from Mr. Fisher. Had always voted
for Mackenzie and Turner, and had always voted on the same
side. Fisher spoke without me asking any question of him.
By the CHAIRMAN : Fisher said go and vote and your time
will be made good.
By Mr. RODWELL : What Fisher said to me had no effect
upon my voting. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and
Turner.

By the CHAIRMAN: Could not say that all the persons in the
yard voted on the same side,
John Foulds : I am a freeman and voted at the last election
for Mackenzie and Turner. lam a shipwright, but I was not
working at the time of the election. I polled from the Old Oak.
I came down from the Town•hall. I saw Mackenzie and
Turner's procession that day at the Town-hall, and part of it in
Great George-street. I know Mr. Evan Jones, who keeps the
Old Oak, and I saw him walking with the procession at that
time. It was a returning body of the procession that was
there, and Jones walked out of the body of the procession, and
come forward to me. I supposed he was leading the party, and
they appeared to be going to his house. He asked me if I was
going to vote, and then would I come and poll from his house.
I said yes, I had made no promise, and I'd as lief go and vote
from it as anywhere else. I did vote next morning from his
house. I went from the Oak to the poll. I went in an omnibus.
Other persons, upwards of twelve or fourteen, were there. The
whole of them were voters, and the whole of them went up and
polled far Mackenzie and Turner. After I had returned from
the poll to the Oak I saw Mr. Buckley Jones in a room. He
was distributing the favours, red and blue. I don't know if
that was Mackenzie and Turner's favours. Blue and red meant
Mackenzie and Turner, I believe. I got two, ene red and one
blue. It was not light Woe. I knew some of the voters at the
Old Oak by sight ; indeed all of them, but did not know their
names, although• I was aware that they were all voters for
Liverpool. I saw Mr. Buckley Jones do nothing but distribute
favours, and make himself free with the men there. who were
under him. He was in and out of the room several times. I
remained in the Old' Ohk a couple of hours. Mr. Buckley Jones
was not there all the' time,. nor longer than five minutes at a
time. I did not receive any money at that time; but on Satur-
day I received from Evan Jones, the landlord of the house, ss.
in two half-crown pieces. I got the money trom him in one of
the apartments. Therewas no agreement made, and I did not
ask him for anything-. He did not speak to me, nor did I
speak to him. Without it was to• remunerate me for my attend-
ance at his house, I cannot tell what the Is. was for. 1 was
appointed to go there on Saturday; it was circulated through-
out the neighbourhood that the freemen who had polled should
go up there on Saturday and get the money. The freemen who
had voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I can't say who told
me. It was rumoured amongst the neighbours, and I heard it
from many. It was said publicly that we men who had voted
should go up to the Old Oak to-receive the money we should
have had. We did receive the money. Men who had polled
were there while I was present,.and I saw. Tones give it to about
nine. They all got the same, I suppose; at all events, they got
something. The whole of them"; knew to be voters.
Cross-examined : I first heard that r was to go to Evan
Jones's on the Saturday before• the election. At the time I
voted I knew nothing of the ss. I formerly worked in the yard,
and he was formerly an old fellow-workman, and acquaintance.
I said that the public report was that the °'freemen" were to
go up-to Jones's. I thought they were all "freemen."

By the.CHATRNIAN : When Jones asked me to poll from his
house, he said breakfast was provided' at his house, but he said
nothing about pay.

By Mr. FRESHFIELD: The procession rsaw in Great George•
street, with colours and music, belonged.to that part of the town
- - - - -

Richard Richardson : I am a freernatil and polled at the last
election from the house of Evan Jones- for Mackenzie and
Turner. I was working at that time for-Mr. Legg. I was paid
7s. 3d. a-day, as we were very busy. We polled about 9 o'clock
in the-morning, and went to the booth with agreat many more,
some ofvvboin were voters and fellow-workmen. I. did not do
any work at my trade on the nomination day and'polling day.
I went to' the Old Oak on the afternoon of the polling day,
when Evan Jones was knocking about and making, himself
agieeablc-: P received six days' pay from, Legg and ss. from
Jones on the Monday after the election. I' received the cash
in Mill-street for my day's work. I did not expect it at the
time. No conversation had taken place between iis•nbout the
ss. No one had asked me for my vote. I went to Eiran Jones's
because lie invited me on the morning of the polling day. I
told him who /- was going to poll for, and heinvited me,. and I
went to his house, and that was all that took place.

By Mr. RODWELL: The ss. came quite unexpected to me.
Several others were going about the room as well as• Jones, and
I rode up to the-booth with twenty others.
Simon Croft lam a shipwright. I am a freeman, and at
the last election for Mackenzie and Turner I was working at
that time for Oats and Miller at the rate of ss. a-day. I voted
from the Old Oak between 9 and 10 o'clock in the morning. I
did not work at-my trade either on the nominatiomor election
days. Evan Jones asked me who I was going to•vote for. The
day before the election I said to him that he might put my
name down, but he was not to depend upon me, for would
not promise. I-went to his house, and went afterwards-to the
booth in the 'bus with some others. William Dadd was the
on -y man I knew, He went with me there, and he is a fellow-
workman of mine. I thought I saw Naylor at thehouse. I
know Charles Burrows there, but he did not gcclown in the
omnibus with me.- I saw Owen Jones there, and others whom
I did not know. I polled about half-past 9 o'clock, and after-
wards walked about the town, and after dinner in lire afternoon
I went back to the Old Oak. I saw Buckley Jones in a'bus in
Mill-street. I did not see him at the Old Oak. Wan Jones,
the landlord, paid me my wages. He paid me the amount of
55.-2 s. 6d. in money and the rest in drink. That was done on
the Saturday. It was for my lost time on the day of the
election. Cato and Miller's clerk paid me the wages- I had
worked for. 1 don't recollect what I received. It was only
for what I worked, and for -nothing else. When 13vanIones
paid me the 55., not a word passed. I went to get it for my
lost time. 1 asked nobody for it. In the course of the week,
before the election, he told us we should be made comfortable.
He wanted me to put my name down. There were several
persons from wham I heard that I was to receire.-ss. I and
Willie Dodd went to get the 55., and we both got it at
time. We went, there because we had been told bysseveral of
the voters.

Cross-examined :.Evan Jones told me to come there. We
were fellow-workmen, and when I said you may pu% my name
down, I meant ',would come to his house, and nothing about
my vote. I have always voted " Red" at previous electrons.
By the CHA1R1,111.1,7 : I first heard of it the last day after the
polling.

Charles Maxwell : I am a shipwright, and was-working at
the time of the last election for Messrs. Mackey and. Miller. I
am a freeman, and voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I polled
from the uld Oak. After the polling, we returned to the Oak :
it was about 3 o'clock when we returned ; I remained till 9
o'clock. Buckley Jones was at the public-house mustering the
men to go off in the omnibusses. He said first to the one and
then to the other, " Will you come—will you come?" Mr.
Miller paid me my. wages that week. He paid me ten days and
a quarter. We• were making a day and a quarter each day.
6s. 3d. is the wages for a day and a quarter. Thesum I re-
ceived at the end of the week was 16s. 3d.. Evan Jones
Paid me on Saturday for the day I was off—that WaS, thepolling-
day. He paichne that on Saturday. No person tauvassed me,
except some making inquiries. I polled from, the Old Oak,
because I was-invited to come, and was told that'l might have
a day's wages..

Cross-examined: I have always voted "Red," and the ss.
did not make me vote for Mackenzie and Turner;. L always in-
tended to vote for them. I expected that, whether I voted or
not, I should get the ss.

By Mr. WILLIAMS : Did you ever know a., voter who got
bread, and meat, and ale, and 3s. without voting?
Witness:: No, I cannot say that I ever did.
Hermann Lott, a person employed in the• printing depart-
ment of the Liverpool Mail office, with reference to the report
of the Amphitheatre meeting of the 3d of April,, and the adver-
tisement connected with that meeting, deposed : I superin-
tended the printing of the pamphlet report; 5,000 were
printed, but Ido not know who paid for them. I occasionally
went to the-Central Committee's office to get as many orders as
possible. L received orders from Mr. Buckmaster, Mr.
Williams, and others. I understood the work would be paid
for, ands so.L was quite satisfied. I was not sanctioned by my
employer to go to the committee-rooms for orders. No one
else was present when I received the orders. Were the work
not paid for,, I do not know who Mr. Sherlock would have pro-
secuted.fcr his money. I could not say, who were the accre-
ditect agents of the association.
By Mr. WALLiAms : I never took proofs-A° the Constitutional
Association office.

By. Mr. BALL: The work we did was,chiefty the address-bills
of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner to the electors of Liverpool.
Could not say whether I was printing, for the Constitutional
Association or the election committee of the two candidates.
The addresses were printed from re-print copy out of a Liver-
pool paper.

Mr. Sherlock recalled : This book contains my account
against the committee. 5,000 copies of the pamplet are charged.
I received ..e2OO from Mr. Bold, but as to who I'm to get the
balance from, it is not a question for me to find out. During
thepast few months I have applied to the Constitutional Associa-
tion for payment. I have applied to the staff of officials, and I
have applied to Mr. Bold, Mr. Buckmaster, and Mr. Cooper..
The charges in my Book are down partly to " Election Coin-
mittee," and the rest to "Constitutional Association, par
H. Buckmaster." £2BO is still due. I made a general claim.
to Mr. Bold. I have not two accounts. The charge for the-
pamphlet is £26 Os 10d.. I did not deliver any bill of particu-
lars personally ; but one was. made up, and I believe a message
came to make out the bill immediately. This was done by. my
manager and my book-keeper. I applied to Mr. Buckmaster
at the Constitutional Association for payment. I believe all
the men there are honourable men, and so I felt easy and safe.
The items were all placed under one head in the ledger. Neither
Mr. Bold nor Mr. Buckmaster have made objections td the
amounts which I have charged. In my conversation, with Mr.
Buckmaster, he intimated to me that the bill had been checked
off. Subsequent to the election I have applied several times
for the money at the Constitutional Office : I applied to Mr.
Bold, but the same parties semed to be acting in two capacities,
and I could not understand the nature of the connection.
When I applied to Mr. Bold, the bill delivered was the subject
of our conversation. Mr. Bold was very kind, and brought
me down £2OO, and was very sorry that he could not pay the
whole of it. lam not aware that Mr. Bold had gone through
the bill in, detail. In a conversation with Mr. Bold on a sub-
sequent occasion, he said that I need not be uneasy, as he
could refer me to a gentleman who would be responsible for
the payment of the account. He mentioned the name of Mr.
Horsfall; but as there are several gentlemen of the same name,
I did not know which he meant. I never called upon Mr.
Horsfall.

George Taylor : I am a voter for Liverpool ; not a freeman,
Ina a householder. I am a file.catter. I am acquainted with
a man of the name of Tobin, one of Ashley and Co.'s men. I
know a person called Bland ; and on the morning of the elec,
tion some one asked Bland and me who we were going to vote
for. Tobin was present at the time. This was in a public-.
house. We said we should vote for Messrs. Mackenzie and
Turner. I know M'Keverigan, who was there at the time;
and Bland and me agreed to vote without being paid. We
went and voted on the polling day. We did not arrange to
have any money. After the election, I made application to
M`Keverigan, and asked him whether he would do the same
with me that he had done with the rest. This was a month
afterwards. He said yes. I went there, understanding we
should have a day's pay, the same as the rest. It was Bland
who asked M`Keverigan. I polled from a house in Pitt-street.
We went to M'Keverigan's house twice, and both times he pro-
mised to give us the money. The second time Bland spoke.
I never received anything.
Cross-examined : When first asked for my vote, I said I
would vote for Mackenzie and Turner. Nothing was ever pro-
mised for my vote, and I never asked anything.
William Coward : I am a householder at Liverpool, and voted
at the last election. I was canvassed by Oxton, and next by
Mr. Huntingdon, a flower-dealer, who canvassed me on the
morning of the election. Mr. Oxton asked if there were any
voters there, and lie answered yes. I polled about one o'clock,
and several other persons polled about the same time. 1 saw
a person named Peter Rice, on the morning of the election, in
Park-place. John Collister was there, and Samuel Cockerel.
I knew Mr. Arthur Davis, who was foreman to M`Keverigan.
Davis spoke to me, and he said, are you going to vote? if you
put your names down, you will have your day's pay. It was
not mentioned who I was to vote for. He did not say anything
more. I did not see-any book at that time, but I saw the book
in the evening, when he put my name down. It was at Jones's,
the White Lion, in St. James's<street, that he put down my
name. That was on the day preceding the polling day. I know
the Vine public-house in Pitt-street, and was at the Vine on
the election day before was at the Whit 4 Lion, where Davis

put down my name on the book. On my way home from the
Vine I passed the White Lion. I saw several persons looking
through the window of the White Lion, but I do not recollect
whether Davis was one of them. I might have seen him, but
I will not be sure. When I went into the White Lion I saw
Davis in the house. It was in the room up stairs. Humphrey
Smith was with him. When I went into the room, I asked
him had he taken our names down? He said no, but I will.
He took down mine, and the names of two other men with me.
He took down the names for our day's pay. He said we should
get paid, but did not say where we were to go for it, but Mr.
M'Keverigan would see us paid. He told me afterwards that
he would see M'Keverigan at the yard, and see that we were
paid. In consequence of that I went to the yard, and saw Mr.
M'Keverigan, who went into the office and gave me a sovereign.
Rice was with me, and the sovereign was for me and the other
three. I had voted at the time, and I believe the others had.
This was on Tuesday after the election, and we spent the money
among us.

Cross-examined: lam a householder. I have always voted
" Red," and was promised no money for my vote. After the
election received this money for lost time. I am a publican
and rope-maker.
Joseph Hogan : I am a ship-carpenter, and a freeman of the
borough of Liverpool. At the time of the election I was work-
ing for Mackey and Miller. I know M`Keverigan, and saw
him on the morning of the election. I don't know that he said
anything to me about polling. I rather think he asked me
about how I was going to vote. I told him that my mind was
made up for Mackenzie and Turner. I worked all that day.
I polled for Mackenzie and Turner, and on Saturday night I
' was paid my full wages by Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I must
admit I did receive a day's wages, 55., from Mr. M`Keverigan
on the same night, that of Saturday. I got it from him in the
street:- On the morning of the election he promised me a day's
wages. We were together at the time in the neighbourhood of
St. James's Church. There was no one present. He gave me
ss. for myself; a sovereign was the entire amount given, there
being four of us. We were all together, He gave me the
sovereign, and I gave them each ss. I can't recollect the
names of the other men very well. The others were Thomas
Parkinson, George Turton, and William Turton. I might
have seen Turton since. I have not seen the other man since.
Parkinson is now dead. I did not receive any other sum.
Cross-examined : I had promised that Mackenzie and Turner
should have my vote long before the election. The money I
received several days after the election. Had I not received
the ss. I should still have voted for Mackenzie and Turner.
Since 1837 I have voted on the same side.
Mr. BODKIN: Have you ever been paid before, or is this the
first time?

Witness : Once have bad money before. At the general
election before the last we had a day's wages. Then I voted
for Mr. Cardwell, having been led to do so from the false
supposition that he was a Conservative. (Laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN: What did you get at Denison's election?
Witness: I will not answer that. I am not prepared to
answer it.

Mr. BODKIN: Did you consider that, in receiving the 55.,
you were being bribed ?
Witness: No, certainly net.
Mr. FRESHFIELD: Did you vote in consequence of berg
offered this day's pay?
Witness: Decidedly not.

Joseph Hamilton : I am a freeman, and voted at the last,
Li'rerpool election. I was canvassed at the last election by
parties for Cardwell and Ewart,. but not for Mackenzie and
Turner. I am a shipwright, and was employed by Mr. M`Keve-
rigan. M'Keverigan never spoke-to me about how I was going
to vote. I polled from a public-home called the St. George, in
Upper Pitt-street. There were several of us there, and we all
walked to the poll in company. I did not work on the nomi-
nation, or polling days. Mr. M'Keverigan paid me 55. of wages
that week, on Saturday evening; he•paid me other wages. I
was not working for M'Keverigan that week, but was employed
by Mackie and Miller, for whom I worked the two last days of
the week. M'Keverigan paid me the Is. for the election day.
A great many men were working for M'Keverigan. He paid
me the ss: in the counting-house. I understood that there was
Is. to be obtained from the masters for the-day we were knocked
off. I understood it was to be paid, but by whom I knew not.
I heard it among the workmen.

Cross-examined: I have always voted for the " Reds," and
would not have voted for Cardwell for
By Mr. PVGET I recollect Ewart and. Denison's election;
did not get any money then. I have a very weak memory, and
do not recollect when I was paid, and whew'. was not.
Robert Sergeant : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at
the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I know
the Edgehill Coffee-house, and on the morning of the election
I was met there by Joseph Green, who asked me to vote for
Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. He said as how he would give
me ss. if I went down next day. I was to goto Mr. Rowett's
office. We did not say anything in reply, but merely thanked
him. We then, after this conversation, went and voted. We
stopped about an,hour at the Coffee-house next, day, and after-
wards went to Mr. Rowett's in Water-street. I got ss. from
Mr. Rowett. I had not been working for Mt. Rowett that
week. I worked for myself. When Mr. Rowett paid me the
ss. I was alone with him. It was about two o'clock. Some
People, perhaps five or six, were waiting outside•the office. A
brother of mine was there, and a man called McCarthy. We
went in one at a time. Ido not know which of the men it was
that went in first. We were told to go in one at a time. I did
not see any list or paper in the room. I saw M. Green that
day, but did not speak to him. We met him accidentally, and
lie did not say anything about us going to Rowetes. We met
him in Chapel-street, only about half-an hour before we went
to Rowett's. Ido not remember Joy neon.
Cross-examjned :Li don't know who Mr. Green-is, as there
are a great many Greens in Liverpool. The Christian name of
M'Cartney was Jeremiah.

Jeremiah M`Carthp: I am a voter in Liverpool, and am a
rope►naker. I know a man called Thomas Sergeant, and I saw
a gentleman named Green—a tall, lusty gentleman—in Water-
street on the morning df the election. Several other persons
were along with me. I saw this man called Green go into
Rowett's office, in Water-street. I saw those who were with
me go into Rowett's office. They went in in regular order, one
after another. I went in for William Sergeant's 55.. ;heis a
brother of Robert Sergeant. When I went in Rowalt asked me
what 1 came for. I told him, and he gave me ss. He had a
paper before him with what appeared to be a number of names
upon it. I could not tell how many names were won that
paper. Before he gave me the 55., he asked me to sign the
name, and when I came down stairs, I gave the 56,1 had re-
ceived to Robert Sergeant. I cannot write, so I put my mark
to the name. Robert Sergeant is the brother of William Ser-
geant. Rowett asked:me did I get paid for carrying colours.
I said yes. He told me that the election would have been over
an hour-and-a-half earlier bad it not been for me, as•/ had car-
ried away the voters, and would not allow them to poll. I was
paid for carrying the colours at the Edgehill coffee-house.

It being now a quarter to four, when thn
prayers, the examination of the witness was closed. The atten-
dance during the day was much less than at the opening of the
inquiry, and Mr. Turner was present for a very brief period.