The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1849-09-25 00:00:00

Sept.

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for which he had always professed to B3'
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much respect. (Hear, hear.) The proPn'ai,
gage the corporate estate was most certanye
proposition to hear from the Chairman oft- s„,
Committee. He remembered when that gentienhlsfi
have been horror-struck at the bare idea of s,lc,siP:
sition. They had always been told that th's
financial question, and that the work wasLll4° eff,
farthing extra to the ratepayers ; but he
that it was a financial question, and one in "fit.
were all deeply engaged. He thought that thent,
tlemen were something like the free trade ge
they were in a dilemma, which they did not 1;0°1;
get out of. That dilemma they had got into by
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as the free traders had also done, that they, reolift',
the people, whilst they only represented then'thof
clique. He would, for these reasons, suPP°rt

ment. ti
Mr. S. HoLmE said that he would not hair
the Council but for what had fallen from •la
There were one or two common sense cluesttilces
nected with this subject, which he wonldl,far
which was—were they to have one priatc'E„-
viduels, and another for public bodies ? Aw4.(l/70'
dividual, and the partner of a firm contraeteu"o,lll,l
was liable for it; or if his partner did the sat° clo,
still liable by both law and equity, for
partner, although he might not approve of it', theCo
just the position of the Special Committee Oki
cil. Mr. G. H. Lawrence had told them try,,te;,',
security for the bondholders was the borough
that opinion he differed, for the real solid seeui;to.,if
bondholders was to be found in the vast amokfiej
estate, the value of which was calculated at sar
whilst their proper debt was but little mere the
the
million. There was not such a security 'l°. TO
Let them search England through—take they 00
and even the Government funds, and be deft
find a better or a safer investment than thelieto°A
Estate of the borough of Liverpool. (Hear.) oor
Bennett now, and he told him so before, that b ort
Mr. Parker in his opposition to this measure)"
was a party to these contracts; that he lent his thll
to the committee which made these contracts'
was was with them in the whole scheme, and that
manner in which he had recently behaved in rr boo
question : after his inconsistency on the subject' het
H.) would not give a farthing for his opill,itp'sei
them that if the Council repudiated these dean fee°ll.
the gentlemen to go into a court of law for We- slor
"
he would blush for the Council, and never
.ectlare,
be ambitious of a seat in its chamber. lire 1r;
pledging the Corporation estate every day ? sodyf
not pledging it for St. George's-ball, the batVhe4
every improvement which was carried out?
were told that their water rent would not ineeereoror4
contrary to fact, for from the time the ola d
was first established there had been a gradual:l% ill 64
increase, and pari passu with it there had beell,ptdp
in their dock dues; and he was glad to sal' if :el4
the past year there had been an increase ° sai°oll
in the town dues. (Hear, bear.) He, for one, 003,1
if these contracts were not made; if the nokelegt,l9
been served upon the landowners, and if the wo„a
had not progressed so far, he would stoP p 5.0
Water Committee do as they pleased with t'o-uri-d,lt
works, feeling conscious that the town would e°,a
one man, and demand a better and an ineteas'sci
He would sacrifice everything for the sake of Po 9:0
the honour of the Corporation, and that he vi°,'lostler
tain at all hazards. If Mr. Harbord and othee'coli{
had not sent forth to the world that the Watefter 01
tee were bankrupt, and if there had been a
in the Council plenty of money could have been fofilif
could give the names of many gentlemen who vs
to lend the committee their money if these tles',"cory
ferences had been stopped. He begged to r-to°,o
protest against one penny of the voluntary rate' ow
he had himself contributed—being applied for the
of opposing the Council, (Question, questi°)T Y
,1•4
co uldt afford to do a dishonest on. her
Mr. PROCTOR : I rise to order. acti
What 10,111 a"
r
Council has a desire to do a dishonest action rye
name, name.)
Mr. S. HOLME : I withdraw that word.
dishonourable. dr
The MAYOR : The word has been used sineekdir
mencernent of the debate. Mr. Holme onlyaPPP
nerally, and he is not out of order in doing sa•Council r t0',710
Mr. S. HOLME said that if the &a° • ho' its engagement the Council would be guilty of art of ,e)
action ; and the parties would appeal to a co lii,-pait"
whose decision would be certain. to compel t"-
pi
that which was merely honest. on
'OO4
Alderman PROCTOR: Let Mr. Holme poin'disbo
man in this Council who is desirous of doing a d

action, and not deal thus in insinuations. j: tors'.
Mr. HARBORD : Those who are called rennuta Pit
as honest men as either Mr. Holme, or any et"' 0
bet of the Council. goliaert
The MAYOR : I did not understand Ms. -
apply the word to any individual, but in a genera' or
He has used the word in the same way that eleri 11,
member has done. 01•/10
Mr. HOLME.—I did not apply 0
the word to .01•h1
man ; I only used it generally. Mr. H. then o,d'
by calling upon the Council to support the repot
Committee.
St
Mr. KAYE observed that if any gentleman, bet'
to their proceedings, came into the Council chain to
heard their discussion, he would certainly. C 0 a ro`Io!
conclusion that there were two parties in 'I.O
- rn;
(Hear, hear.) He, for one, however, only
party, and that was the entire Council, whose au
times it was to do their utmost for the public go°ioiooq
the subject of their debts there was but one. heat
their debts must and should be paid. (Hear,
iineL:,
one in that room dreamed of repudiation. (13`tirr
hear.) The thing was absurd. Whenever he ;0(114
a difficulty on which he had to form an opinieL to 01
cide, during the last thirty years, it was his prsevif;ere:fi
himself this question :—What would I do if It
own particular case ? To this plain question ear, bifo
got an answer which was satisfactory. albere
hear.) He saw no difficulty in the matter; iite woo
no reason why it could not be arranged. I' ot
vote for the amendment because it would Pci 0.!3
matter before those who were the refill,' r„allkei J!
interested parties, namely, the ratepayers. •","posi`,',i,
been over and over again told that it was note ra„lerl
question ; but let them disguise it as much as the3re4,l
it was and would become more and more a ,11:t'on,11
question. He was sorry that the cry of rentin'-locl
been raised against any party, or that a feeling Iclioted
got up to show that there was a desire to reP,ahi.
payment of that which was a just and legal ae," gala
himself who wished to deal with this question Iv 'TO
himself this question :—lf I have got myself "to
providence into a difficulty, what now is my„cfs°et.) d•
pursue ? Why, to arrange my affairs; to conn'oe''
engagements, and pay my debts; and if I have u;,oo.fi,
thing to prevent my doing so, I must curtail "40'0
tore and meet my engagements under all circila;
There was nothing in Mr. Proctor's amendtae cif
should be opposed by any member of the C0i1a,c,4,11
as that amendment would be calculated to bring!"psi
question in a more tangible form before the rate
he would cordially support it. 0.,04
After a few words from Mr. Freme, and gr,:re".
Lawrence, in reply, the Council divided, when tl)
For the amendment
Against it ... ........ tY
Majority ............. • fail,
The following is an analysis of the votes lifslt,"4o'
amendment—Councillors E. Langsdale,
J. Woodruffe, J. Thomson, W. Preston, T. si,;,teil;oi,
J. Briscoe, T. Toulmin, H. G. Harbord, •1,-I'sred:
Kaye, J. Johnson, W. Bennett, J. Parker,
R. M. Beckwith, E. C. Hindley ; Aldermen .1;
J. Proctor, John Bent. Against it Counciliary,
Morris, T. Littledale, J. Aikin, H. HornbY, a. Gi,o;
Thos. Rimmer, S. Holme, J. Tobin, J. B. Lll fit
.(
Lawrence, W. Watson, R. Benn, W. Mann, "A 0111
Aldermen A. Swainson, T. B. Horsfall, Thos. .100,
Cooper, J. N. Wood, E. Molyneux, T. Chi ,00.1
Mayor. difolv
The original motion was then carried withont.tvis;
the great majority of the anti-Pike members
Council at the mo tbsment. tiieea /P
on leaving the Council, said, be; r
ever the Council might do in the matter. 11..% foriAlr'
state that he would apply in the proper quay '"
advice which the Town-clerk refused to gip,". AP,
Harbord then retired.) ti,„.1705
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE was sorry that Mr. “'",,nt'oP
retired, as be intended to move the adjournia`ooc
Council upon the other resolutions. (Cries of tori
go on.") flari
Mr. HORNBY thought the observations of Nri,e 0"
should not be passed over in silence; but
dropped. the
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE then moved, serial'''',.,sll'
ceding resolutions, which were carried unanini°,-.loeli'
The Council adjourned at a quarter to two 0
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rt totej
GOLD FROM CALIFORNIA. —We had Y*--,ic,e f.
pleasure of handling a lump of pure gold, in " nooie
which it was nicked up at California, weighinio 5 00#
than half a pound avoirdupois. It is of irregn'oeb,
and is now in the possession of a highly resPece, CA,lfit.l
in this town, for whom it was brought in t,,n`' tPbr,
The worth of this precious metal is nearly J;3";broOed
we believe, the largest lump that has yet been ect to
this town. The ' diggings" this season are elbti°ol,
be much more productive than the last, as in ao„;
the grealy increased number of persons at prcs-5e eft a
spot, the waters, which are now subsiding, rd°0041,4„
higher than usual, and it is thought will bring dp11:„
the hills large quantities of this valuable " con).,pc)lo4
MARRIED.—On the 22d inst., at St. Brides ug, 64111
GEORGE SUDLOW, son of the late Mr. Thos da
of Milbank, West Derby, to Miss SARAH BOP]
.
of the late Mr. John Eaves, of this town.

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