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en to pledge himself by this adares. and claimed a right to re-
serve
to hiniself the entire and unlettered power of disposing of
the question, not by any fanciful analogy supposed to exist be-
tween England and Ireland, if that analogy turned out to be
ouly plausible, not real, but upon firmer principles. (Cheering.)
In short, he would not look to words, but to facts. ( Hear, hear.)
Considering the bearing of the question on the state of Ireland
(hear, hear), it was not necessary for him to defend abuses- in
Irish corporations, to maintain the principle of self election, the
exclusive adminstration of justice, to contend for the past misap-
propriation of municipal funds; or to refuse his aid to prevent
their future misapplication ; but when the question came
before parliament he would look at the whole state of Ireland
with a viers to determine whether; under pretence of removing
one species of exclusion, we might oat in a measure of
corporate reform be confirming another. ( Loud cheers.)
He would look at the proposition to see to whom power would
be given (hear, hear;) he would look to the objects for which
the power might be exeressed (hear, hear;) and if he believed
that it would conduce to the maintenance of the connection
subsisting between the two countries—that the giving of it
would confirm those ancient and settled institutions of the
country which his hou. friend the mover of the address had ex-
pressed himself most anxious to maintain, he might consent to
the plan, but he would not be deceived by a plausible analogy
if he did not find real grounds for the proposition. (Loud
cheering.) Therefore it was that he would not he bound to
apply the same principle to Ireland as to England, unless he
felt morally certain it would be employed in the same manner.
(Hear, hear.) Recollecting, therefore, that ministers were not
entitled to bind him .by a pledge of this nature, and being
anxious to guard against any possible misunderstanding in
future—feeling that the course now taken was contrary to that
Pursued, in other parliamentary addresses, and inconsistent with
parliamentary usages, he proposed to move the omission of the
objectionable words (hear, hear;) substituting for them others
Which, so far from excluding a measure of municipal reform for
Ireland, would leave the question open for everyone of the most
extreme opinions to approach as he pleased. In taking this
course he still entertained a confident hope, although he found
it necessary to propose an amendment, that there might be no
division on the address, and he entertained that expectation
because he felt persuaded that ministers might concur in his
proposition without relinquishing-a firm determination to bring
forward their own principles; and enforce them in any measure
which they might propose to the house; (Hear, hear.) He
would read the words of the address as it stood at present, and
then propose his amendment. , The clause to which he objected
was to the following effect—to assure his Majesty,,that "being
already in possession of the report of the commission appointed
to inquire into the state of the municipal corporations in Ireland,
they entertained the hope that it wilt be in their power to apply
to any defects and evils which may have been shown to exist in
those institutions a remedy founded upon the same principles as
those of the acts which have already passed for England and
Scotland." He moved that those words be omitted, for the pur-
pose of inserting the following—" to assure your Majesty, that
being already in possession of the report of the commission ap-
pointed to inquire into the state of the municipal corporations in
Ireland, we will proceed without delay to the consideration of
any defects or evils which may have been proved to exist in
those institutions, for the purpose of applying such remedies as
may obviate all just causes of complaint, and insure the impartial
administration of justice." (Loud cheering.) He had pur-
posely framed his amendment in a way which he thought ren-
tiered it:ppssible for gentlemen opposite, though retaining their
own opinions on the subject of Irish municipal reform, and de-
termined to enforce their principles to the utmost of their ability
—which rendered it possible for ministers "to avoid an appear-
*area' (ti'sinaion on the address by concurring in iris proposi-
tion„,S Hear, hear.)
4'he original question and the amendment having been put
.from the. chair,
A debate of some length and of considerable animation en-
sued.

Lord J. Russem. defended the address in its original form.
:Lord STANLEY declared that ho should support the amend-
ment if it were pressed to a division. •
Lord Howicic supported the address, and rebutted
the charges made against the administration,
_that it had ex-
tended the power and sought the support of Mr. O'Connell. He
admitted the power of that individual, and he was sorry that it
existed; but he was not, and never could be, the personil friend
of Mr. O'Connell.
Lord Du [MEV STUART said he should agree to the address,
but he could not avoid regretting that all mention of Poland
iras omitted.

Lord PALMERSTON contended that there was no ground for
this complaint. It had not been usual in the speeches from the
throne to describe any particular line of policy that might be in-
tended; but former speeches had declared the determination of
this country to uphold treaties, and nothing had occurred to
.require the repetition of that determination.
Mr. O'CONNELL exclaimed with great vehemence against the
injustice of refusing a full equal►ty of rights to Ireland, and
vindicated the conduct of the Irish
.government, which he de-
scribed as being perfectly impartial in its conduct towards the
two contending parties. He renewed the threat of repeal, in
case his expectations from the justice of this country should be
disappointed.
Mr. SHAW replied to the arguments of Mr. O'Connell.
The amendment of Sir Robert Peel was rejected on a division,
the numbers being—
For the original motion .
For the amendment.

284
243

Majority in favour of ministers.. 4l
POOR I. WS IN IRELAND.
Sir RICHARD MUSGRAVE gave notice of a motion for Tues-
day (this day) for leave to bring in a bill for the establishment
of poor laws in Ireland.
MR. O'CONNELL AND MR. RAPHAEL.
Mr. HA ally love notice that he would submit a motion to the
house respecting the circumstances connected with the election of
Alexander Raphael and N. A. Vig,ors, Esqrs., for the county
of Carlow, in June last. (Hear hear.)
The house then, at a few minutes after eleven, adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY.
The Earl of SHATTESBURY, in the absence of Lord Denman,
presented a bill for the abolition of capital punishment iu cer-
tain cases.—Read a first time.
At two o'clock the house proceeded to St. James's Palace to
present the address to his Majesty, voted on the preceding day.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY.
After several not ees of motions had been given, new writs
were ordered to he issued for Stoke-upon-Trent, in the room or
n. Eleatheote, Esq., and
,for Cockerniouth, in the room of F.
13. Dykes, Esq., these members having accepted the chiltern
'hundreds.