The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-07-19 00:00:00

The Rev. Mr. MT; heeresumed his arguments, and said that
this disclaimer on the part of Dr. Troy mieht possibly have
been enough to convince the minds of the protestants that he
was sincere in making it. But let them turn from the proceed-
ings of the heirarcliv to those of the laity. Let them turn to
the proceedings'of the 'lonian Ci;tholic Board of Commission-
ers on the Ist and 4th of December, 1817. They were pub-
lished in the Dublin Evening pug at the time; and in a speech
made by Mr. O'Connell on the 'lst he found he had, in allusion
to the Rheinish notes, condemned them as of ancient date, and
said that the Rhemish edition of the Testament had been sup-
pressed, and another pnblished in its place. On the 4th, at a
meeting of the sante board, My. O'Connell went forther, for he
found that he had' moved that a " committee' be appointed to
disclaiin, on the part of the catholic body, the objectionable
parts of the Rhenish notes." (Hear.) The reverend gentle-
man also quoted other passages from, and speeches of; Mr.
O'Connell at the same period, and before 'the same board, in
which he had stated that the renunciation of the Rhenish notes
on the part of the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin was gene -
rally participated in by the Irish' people (hear); that he not
only moved for the appointment of the committee, hut said that
he had lately been in England, and, as far as he could judge
from what he had seen' there; in 'parliament and elsewhere, he
conceived every Irish member would at the next election lose
his seat who should not,concur in the denunciation of the
,Rhe-
inish notes, which he pronounced-to he damnabfe and danger-
ous. (Hear, hear, and a 'laugh.) Thus, then, continued the
reverend gentleman, they had the eloquent denunciation of,
these notes on the part of Mr. O'Connell, both on public and
private'grounds. But what, let him ask, had been the weighty
results of these denunciations ? How had these disclaimers af-
fected thepublicatiOn of the Rheinish notes? ( Hear.) Why,.
'the committee- which had been appointed to report upon that
Subject had obtained time to consider their report. This delay
Mr. O'Connell had obtained for them, (a laugh,) and the boail,
it 'was now a matter of notoriety, was extinct. (Hear, 'and
laughter.) But why, after the appointment of, the committee
he moved for at the meetings of the catholic board, did' Mr.
O'Connell permit that board to become extinct? (A persOn,
whose name did not transpire, here called ont,(rom the rear of
the crowded platf Im, that "he would 'answer that question,"
which caused so much interruptiOn, that cries of " 'rurn him
out'!" proceeded front every part of the room, and the reverend
gentleman w2S liftable to proceed with his speech, owing to the
noise and confusion which ensued.)
The Chairman rose and said, that as Mr. O'Connell had re-
futed to attend the meeting and reply to the arguments of the
reverend gentleman,' he could not allow it to'be interrupted by
any one else.' (Cheers.)
The Rev. Mr. M'Ghee then, observed that he held himself
responsible to Mr. O'Coorieff for 'every assfition he. had. Made
or might make there that day; and would repeat the same be-
fore him, were he present, foot to foot; even if, the hall were
tilfed with Roman' Catholic's. (Great cheering; followed by
loud cries of " Turn him out.") If Mr. O'Connell choose to
call in question any ofthe,facts or documents he had stated and
produced, he ready to answer him upon that platf 'rm when-
ever he pleased to appear. (Cheers.) Why, then, he wiruld
repeat, had Mr. O'Connell permitted the Roman Cathplic.tioard
to loicorne extinct?- (A scene (If donfusinn and upr'oar here
again took place, which compelled the rev. gentleman to desist
front speaking for a few minutes, during which—)
The Chairman again interposed, and insisted upcin silence,
designating 'the ititerruptions.wlifith had been made both as un-
manly and uncourteous. If those interruptions were,continued
he should order the author of them to be removed by the police.
The Rev. Mr. M'Ghee again rose and said, that Mr.' O'Con-
nell had not opposed the extinction of the catholic board, be-
cause his bishops would not permit him.(hear,) and at the very
moment when he was denouncing the Rhemish notes the book
containing them was again in the press; under the sanction of
Drs. O'Reilly, Murray, and Troy, of nine othercatholic bishops,
and of 300 Roman Catholic clergymen in different parts of Ire-
land. ( Hear.) This the rev. gentleman proved by referring
to an advertisement, printed on a blue cover on the boards of
the bible -and testament printed by Macnamart in' 1818, and
contended, that front the title-pages of the Macnainara Bible of
1818 it was merely a reprint of the Dublin Bible of 1816. The
rev. gentleman then said there had been to one edition of that
book upwards of 1,000 subscribers, the first name among whom
was that of Dr. John Murphy, Catholic Bishop of Cork. It had
been said these names were not real but fictitious; but there
were 370 among them, all inhabitants of Cork, whose addresses
were added to them. The book was to be published in num-
bers, amid each number critically examined by catholic clergy-
men. Were the names of the priests who were to make those
examinations fictitious ? (Hear.) Were the names of the
bishops who were correcting the publication a's it prOceeded fic-
titious? Were their names affixed to it with or against their
consent? (Hear.) The book was unquestionably published
at Cork in 1818. rhe rev. gentleman then laid open before the
meeting two bibles of 1818.'of different editions, and said that,
owing to what had appeared in the British Critic some time ago,
relative to some of the obnoxiOus Rherriish notes, a great • part
of the notes' of the first edition had disappeared in the second ;
and he named and read verses from several chapters of the
Evangelists, of St. Paul's Epistles, and of the Revelations, and
the notes which the first edition of 1818 contained upon them.
All these were absent from the other edition, and many places
were to be found where leaves had been inserted in the place of
those extracted. All these passages were of an obnoxious nature,
and had been extracted from the notes in consequence of the
notice which had been taken of them in different publications.
(The notes referred to related to Matthew, c. xiii., v. 29; Luke,
c. ix., v. 55; Luke, c. xiv., v. 23; 2d, Timothy, c. iii., v. 9, &c.)
The rev. gentleman proceeded to animadvert upon the anathe-
ma which was in existence against the heretic, whose life by
that decree was placed in the hands of the catholic priesthood,
and read extracts from an immense pile of documents in sup-
port of his arguments. 'He 4150 directed particular attention to
a pamphlet which had been put into his hands as Fate as 12
o'clock last night, in which was contained a' letter from the
Pope to the "Archbishops and Bishops of Iteland." If that
document were a true one, and the preservation of certain ex:-
pressions in it justified his belief that it was so, he could only
say that it was the most atrocious document he had ever read.
The pamphlet was published at Rivingtons's, and he-hoped every
protestant would possess themselves of a copy, as the best means
of giving them an insight into the intentions and views of the
Church of Rome. The pamphlet he alluded to was thus de-
scribed in its title page : " A letter of our Most Holy Father,
by Divine Providence, Pope Gregory XVI., to the Archbishops
and Bishops of Ireland." It was translated from the i• Origi-
nal Latin, and now first published." The two principal sub-
jects to which it referred, it would be seen, were the national
schools and the conversation of the bishops. The rev. gentle-
man then read extracts from it at such length, that we Wave
published them in a continued series, and commented as he
proceeded upon the authenticity of the "Bull," comparing the
conduct of catholic hierarchy at present with the instructions
conveyed in its contents. He contended that the Pope was the
foundation-stone of every sehool in Ireland, especially those
established under the new system of national education. (The
following is a collection of the extracts read and commented
upon by the rev. gentlemen.)"
This license, therefore, welully renew and confirm unto, that
you may continue to act as in times past ; and to divide the
heretics by concealing (simulatione) those principles of catholic
verity, which if openly or unseasonably avowed, would deter
your advocates in the assemblies of the heretics from yielding
to your design for the exaltation of the church that assistance
which, by your letters not long since, received, we rejoice to
learn they have, by your prudent conduct, been induced to
give.

"The letters which, by your means, have been from time to
time, for some years past, transmitted unto our predecessor of
pious memory, and unto ourselves, out of Ireland, have as-
sured us that the schools established by the heretics in all parts
of the country were rapidly undermining the catholic faith, and
withdrawing the people from the authority of their pastors, by
causing to spring up amongst them a thirst for heritical books,
and especially for the heritical Scriptures, which were every-
where circulated, cunningly and audaciously (collide audaci-
terque) interpreting the holy words, which are the words of
God (qua verba Dei aunt) to the support of their pernicious
ravings (ad parva delimmenta inculcanda.)
"Singulari nos igitur ajecerant youdio, 4-c. We have, there-
fore, had a very peculiar satisfaction in learning from your re-
cent dispatches' that all parliamentary grants Ices senotorium )
have been withdrawn from these schools, and that other schools
will shortly be built and established, which will be entirely, or
in a great measure, under your control.
• " Quare auditis nonnulis, cc. Wherefore, after having heard
the opinions of certain dour venerable brethren, the cardinals
of the holy Roman church (S. R. E. Cordinaaus), by our
mere mention and certain knowledge (motu prop. rio et e,v eerie
scietita ), and frorn'the plenitude of our apostolic power (apes-
tolicce potestatis plenitudine.)
" Staub-llus primo, 4-e. In the first place, we direct you to
cause the clergy everywhere to speak to the people in praise of
the tie* schools, and to cease the opposition Which they have
hitherto, through your wise and godly commarids, been in the
habit of giving to the education of the poor; and that they
speak of the new Board of Education (congregationem de insti-
tuentla juventute) as a catholic association, notwithstanding the
heretical members who belong to it, in order that the people
may the more readily quit the schools Of the heretics, and join
themselves to those which shall be established by yon.
" In the erection of new schoolhouses, we advise and direct
that they be built in as close proximity as possible to your
churches, chapels, and other places Of catholic worship; for thus
will the schools he more intirely under your control, and greater
opportunities will be afforded of instilling catholic doctrine and
practice into the minds of children, and especially of bringing
these things before the notice of such heretical children as may
attend the schools. Furthermore, if the heretical rulers should
at any future time, dissolve the board, and withdraw their
grants of money, these schoolhouses (cedificia) %x ill necessarily
become useless to them, and it will be impossible to make them
available for any but catholic purposes.
" But in those parts of the kingdom of Ireland where the
heretical inhabitants are numerous a contrary policy may he
expedient; and it may be wise to build the schoolhouses in
lonely and mountainous districts, remote from any catholic
place of worship, iu order that they may be made use of as
oratories or chapels, and masses or hours he occasionally said
therein. Thus the wants of chapels in such districts will be in
a measure supplied, and the catholic people be edified in the
faith; while the remoteness of such houses from the abode of
the heretics will resider them useless for heretical schools, if at
any time the board should be dissolved.
"Et cum per vestros nuncios, (ire. And whereas we have
learned from the messengers you have sent unto us, and front
your letters, that it is proposed to publish for the use of the
English tongue, and sou yourselves, venerable brethren, have
expressed yourselves favour:Ole to the design, as enabling you
more effectually to banish the heretical scriptures, and you ask
our aPosinlical authority for licensing the same; we charge you,
by the office of the apostleship committed unto us (ex commissi
nobis apostolotus officio), to be especially vigilant in this affair ;
'for you well know that it is in translations and perversions of
'the world of God that the strength of heresy consists.
" We charge you on no account whatsoever to permit these
extracts from holy scripture to be.published wholly in the Eng-
lish heretical translation, but rather to cause a new translation
to be made, differing from all former translations, and in all
important points agreeing as much as possible with the authentic
Latin bible, which is sanctioned, by the decrees of the ancient
councils, and by the approbation of our predecessors in the holy
see. For remember, venerabfe brethren, that the design of
such extracts is not to instruct the children in the truths of
their religion, but to supersede the heretical scriptures, and to
weaken the effect of those scriptures upon their minds, if at any
future time they should fall into their hands : we
.tlee;xl it there-
fore prudent that the words of that translation with which they
are first to become familiar should nut agree with any other
version which is in use in your country, that so they may not
be attracted by early associations to,any of them, and that they
may rather be led to conclude that ale scripture by itself is
uncertain, since the translations of it differ so widely amongst
themselves,

" Let it. be your care, venerable brethren, that this transla-
tion be revised, by prudent and learned men, well pratised in
the controversies with' the Anglican heretics, and under your
own especial inspection, lest anything be published derogatory
to the catholic faith, or capable of being perverted by the here-
tics to the support of their own peiuicious wriirs. Let your
part in this work, however, he as secret as posSildo, and let the
immediate hosiiiesc 'of translating and selecting be committed
some heretical member of the board, or other person appointed
by them, who shall he a favourer of indifferentigm, and who
may easily be persuaded to admit such alterations and 'ctirrec-

• ,