The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1847-02-02 00:00:00

The Lord-Lieufenant I cv

hey will be left in a most miserable
Suggests that these, at least,- shal
'orks will, therefore, be allowed tc

go to completion. With respc
has been made that the whole

,nd if their truth

aarnamentary documents
ere denied, that would be an additional reason tor g.-
,ng the committee for which he now moved. He then
quoted extracts from the evidence taken before the Ana-
-- ver Union Committee, containing the flattering opinions
of property in I which Mr. Lewis, Mr. Chadwick, Mr. Parker, Sir F.
propose that each year, Lewis, Mr. Coode, and others, expressed of each other;
one-half was paid, the and in alluding to the opinion expressed of Mr. Chadwick
up the whole debt by Sir F. Lewis, asked why the Poor Law Commissioners
-hould be recil- had not disn::3sed a subordinate officer so denounced by
-aerable burden on his superior ? The reason was manifest ; they did not
I which prevented dare to dismiss Mr. Chadwick, because he had it in his
ex- power to disclose their secrets. He then brought under

to Ireland. I

whole burden of it
Ireland. He, theref

as an instal[
other should

until on(
lected th

the finance. country, -._
him from making several propositions
pens 2, which he should otherwise have proposeu,
should be remembered that these grants from the cons,
dated fund were grants from sums paid by the people
thair soap, their tea, and their sugar ; and it should al,
ways be borne in mind that these were levied upon the
people of this country out of their daily toil. He also pro-
posed to advance a sum, not exceeding £50,000, to be re-
paid before the end of December, for the purchase of seed
He proposed that this advar
prietors and not to the '
vances he declarpd

scenes which had occurred

another at Sonierset-house, and a
a police-office. In the first scene he placed before
the house a full representation of all the circumstances
connected with Mr. Parker's first visit to Andover, and
Sir J. Graham's alleged attempt to induce lain and Sir E.
Head to present a false report regarding what he had
seen there. He asked if Mr. Parker's evidence on that
occasion were false, why had not Sir J. Graham gone oe-
fore the committee to disprove it ? why, but because he
knew it to be true and dared not contradict it ? In the
ward off the effects of the awful visitation of Providence second scene he painted Sir J. Graham, as the Secretary
with which Ireland had been afflicted. It was not in the of State for the Home Department ; Mr. Lewis, as the go-
power of man to do away with the effect of such a cala- betiveen of Sir J. Graham and the Poor Law Commis-
nifty. He should not have felt it necessary to make the sioners at Somerset-house ; and the Poor Law Commis-
declaration so emphatically had it not been for a paper put sioners themselves, as mere puppets dancing as Sir J.
forth by the Marquis of Sligo, urging his countrymen to . Graham directed. In the third scene he painted the ab-
demand from Parliament that they should take steps to rupt departure of Mr. M. Sutton from the Andover Cono-
secure an immediate and cheap supply of food. He was mittee-room, and Mr. S. Wortley's hasty chase after him,
surprised that any man of education could have imagined all in consequence of Mr. Christie's asking whether the
that it was in the power of any government to turn famine Poor Law Commissioners exercised any control over the
into plenty. It was impossible. The utmost they could Assistant Commissioners and their clerks in respect to the
do was to alleviate the calamity. But what surprised hiin evidence they were to give respecting the administration
was, that at Castlebar there was a union workhouse capa- of the Poor Law—a question which has not been answered
ble of containing 600 inmates, but which contained but up to this day. He filled up this scene by introducing
130, because it was ,:aid the rates would not be collected Mr. Parker as applying to the magistrate at Bow-street
to maintain more, while among those who ought to have for a warrant to take into custody the Under-Secretary of
paid those rates were many who scarcely, were capable of State, because he was preparing to fight a duel with Mr.
so doing. He regretted to see in this a tendency to re- Christie. He then proceeded to quote the report of the
commend the adoption of some vague and visionary plan, Andover committee complaining of the arbitrary proceed-
while the easy and practicable duty of paying rates for the ings of the Poor Law Commissioners, and stating that They
support of the poor was neglected. The interference of had shaken the confidence of the public in the administra-
-government to alleviate distress might be made in this ' tion of the law. He asked her Majesty's ministers whe-
way. Assistance might be granted to proprietors by, loans, ther those Commissioners were still in office, with•abso-
for the improvement of property—by public works—by lute dominion over 8,000,000 of poor, who had no means
enacting that relief should be given to the destitute by law. of entering into a court of law to obtain redress for the
These three modes should be kept separate. In advancing oppression which they suffered ? Or had a coalition been
to proprietors security should be taken that such advances made between the late Government and the present to
should be applied to the purposes for which they were shelter those Commissioners and to refuse him this in-
granted. Such security was taken by the laws passed in quiry ? If that. inquiry were refused;the country would
the last session, and by the Drainage Act more particularly. say that it waslefused because the leaders of both parties
They proposed to take the terms propssed in the Drainage were afraid of further exposures of their connexions with
Act, for making advances, and to extend it to other im- the Poor Law Commissioners. The hon. member then
provements, doing away with the technical difficulties went at great length into the history of the various guar-
which obStructed the operation of that act, allowing pro- rels in which he had been engaged with the Poor Law
prietors to borrow money at 34 per cent., to be re-paid in Commissioners and their Assistants, and more particu-
twenty-two years, making an allowance for repayment if larly with Mr. Clements. He reviewed the case of Mr.
such repayment should take place earlier. This would be Jenkin Jones, and made several severe remarks on the
better than combining such a plan with any plan for the conduct of Sir J. Graham, Mr. Lewis, and Mr. Coode to-
relief of the poor. They also proposed to consolidate and wards that unfortunate individual—first, in inducing him
improve the Drainage Acts_ to nnd.rt.V.

lid be made to the pro-
In proposing these ad-
nor could he expect to

e state me to pieaa guilty under a promise that he should receive no
f Ireland. punishment, then in imprisoning him for eight months ;
.4e—that and lastly, in remitting his sentence after he threatened
ell it, but exposure. He then brought forward his own case against
,ould be a Sir J. Graham, in the course of which he rlictin,,th,

reclamation of a portion of the waste lano,
They proposed to devote £1,000,000 to this purpo,
if the proprietor chose to part with it he might se
that if he refused to sell or to improve there
•

compulsory poll
Woods and For

ommissioners of charged the ex-Home Secretary with making statement:
hen its value was below 2s. 6d. an which at the time he knew to be untrue. He assertec
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,sykrocu 4Lls4 311UULU uc reciaanea, roans oe umt air J. uranam had tampered with the Assistant Corn-
made, buildings erected, and divided into lots of from 25 to missioners on two occasions ;—the first was in 1841, when
50 acres, and let to a tenant for a number of years or sold he used Mr. Mott as his instrument to crush Dr. Bow-
but they did not intend to undertake, by that grant, the ring ; and the second in 1842, when he used the same
task of cultivation. He anticipated great advantage from person as his instrument to crush him by a false report.
the location of the expelled tenantry from other proper- He painted the character of Mr. Mott in very unfavoura-
ties on these holdings, and he thought it would be a nu- 'Me colours, and called on Sir James Graham, who knew
cleus for the formation of a body of small independent his tool well, to explain why he had kept him so long in
proprietors. He did not think that the small holdings the public service, and to deny, if he could, that he had
were the cause of the misery of Ireland, for in the county kept him there because he was privy to the conspiracy of
of Armagh, where the small landlords were the most which he had been the victim. He then entered fully
numerous, the people were the most prosperous. In into the particulars of that conspiracy • and called special
stating these measures, which they proposed to introduce attention to the fact that Mr. Lewis had tiled against him
immediately, he had not stated all the measures which in his criminal information the very instructions given to
they intended to introduce: (Hear, hear.) With Mr. Mott, of which Si J. Graham had denied the very
regard to measures for the relief of the destitute, existence, in his place in that house. He asserted that if
he proposed that relief should no longer be confined to it had not been for the quarrel among the members of the
the workhouse. He proposed to bring in a bill for the Poor Law Commission, and the exposures before the An-
more effectual relief of tho destitute poor in Ireland, em- dover Commission, he must have gone down to his grave
powering the guardians to give relief either in or out injured by the resolution which that house had passed
of the workhouse at their discretion to the infirm against him. He then,accused Sir J. Graham of havinf
poor, and to all those who are permanently disqualified I robbed Mr. Day of his assistant-commissionership for till
from earning their living by labour, thus giving the purpose of rewarding his friend Mr. Thisselton for hi
guardians power to relieve the destitute at their own services in the borough of Paisley ; and
homes, and when the workhouse was full he proposed fully into the particulars of Mr. Day's
to give the Poor-law Commissioners power to give leave houses
to the guardians to give relief to the able-bodied Dr.-

se, called on the

to remark what

answer of Mr. L

given in food Only. I was called upon to r

Urgent distress
the house, or 1

:hOuld have poZver to t

sons into) Would Sir J. Gral:

;wering that question.'
he question which Mr

lain answer

neat, meeung pewis naa refused It he would not, then he
of the board of guardians. Such were the measures for rand) would say at once that Mr. Mott was
the relief of Ireland which he proposed immediately to order that members might say of him,
introduce. He should also propose a measure for facili- the Poor Law Commissioners—" Oh
tating the sale of encumbered property • another by which them alone," He concluded "

)t rid of in

s they now said of
they're slain ; let

..aava mauls
JM IIkISJIJU Vaa.
property let on long leases renewable for ever might be the day would speedily come when Sir .I
Graham ant
converted into freeholds ; and another on the fisheries, Mr. Lewis, if they placed themselves in the witness-box
the nature of which he should state at a future time. He must speak the truth upon that and all other questions
considered that the best mode of promoting emigrations If they did that, he should leave the court with honou
was by affording aid on the arrival of the emigrants at I and reputation, whilst they would e-
_• _ •

pis was 'extensively

me I disgract

arsai, yvau- au montreal. ne should be sorry to give any I Sir JAMES GRAHAM said Mr. Ferrand had confined his
other stimulus to emigration. lle need hardly add that address to a personal attack, and to answer that he should
he was not prepared on the part of the state to sanction confine himself. He had imagined that his retirement
any extensive scheme of emigration. Governpaent were from the public service, and especially his strict retire.
not prepared, as a general rule, to say that railroads ment into private life since he left office, would have mi.
should be assisted, but the subject was still under consi- tigated the hostility entertained against him by the hon
deration ; and a me.asnre as to tenant compensation would member. The right hon. baronet proceeded t- '
be

pareo our it wouia not ne brought forward at pre- lightly upon the causes of quarrel between him and Mr,
sent. He believed that the effect of the measures which Ferrand, down to the publication, in July last, of the
he should propose would do much, but other measures hon. member's letters in the Times, charging him (Sir
would be required, and when the proper time came he James Graham) and Mr. Lewis with- conspiring to crush
should be ready to propose anything which he believed I Mr. Ferrand. In consequence of those letters, a criminal
would be for the •
benefit of that country. But with re- I information was filed, and in making the ruin ailanitria
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otner measures, all that the crown or j the affidavit of Mr. Parker, so much relied'on-by the hon
the country could grant, and which parliament could ; member, was used before the court. He (Sir Jame;
enact, was as nothing without the existence of the spirit I Graham) had asserted on hi. n.tb_ that

......eoiseives on me part of the people.
The proposed measures were approved by Sir R. Inglis
Mr. Hume, gr. Stafford O'Brien, ant -
who, however, doubted whether th

in every particular false, and the affidavit so-

Loi:d G. Bentiiick
X 50,000 for seer

An op-p,

pity would be offered to the hon. memhe;:a

in. .....L!,,unza uIS cuarges, ana He tzmr James (ira-
would be enough, and intended to propose a measure hani) courted inquiry, and was perfectly ready to appear
auxiliary to those of the government. and give his evidence. He had also been ready for exa-
mination by the Audover committee, if they had thought
proper to summon him.

of strong conviction
single handed against

who opposed those conviction

received with allowance, and even with indulgenuc(