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sts were affected

)ut the bill was ultimately read a second

to several questions from Lord Londonderry,
)URNE stated that he bad received no information

rection which had taken place at Barce-
lly true, that her Majesty had been ad-
,rder of the Bath ou General Espartero.
promised to lay upon the table all the
the payment of the British Auxiliary

fired as to the truth of a rumour
days been very prevalent, to the effect,
fiomatic arrangements had been entered into
:ry and certain great powers of the conti-
a settlement of the differences between
1 that France had not been a consenting

FORD i

that negotiations had been
I into between this country, Austria, Russia, Prussia,
view to the pacification of the Levant.
s, had, moreover, been made in these
never regarded such matters as settled
d. Communications had been made to
she was not a party to the

DURNE

ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND REVENUES BILL

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that the house resolve itself
stical duties and revenues bill,
wved, in the first place, that

s of the clergy were so immediate)

ied, they had had no opporiiinity of expressing their'
is until after the ecclesiastical commissioners had

however, the
nad become gt,. and not one
~nted in favour of the bill until ehe
,ceived an interest in the patronage of the
ject of the measure had been first brought
tion of the bishops by the government of
e suggestion a meeting of the bishops was
meeting the question of the deans and
Ily discussed. The Bishop of London
rinciples upon which the present bill was
opposed by the most rev. primate, and
.if the bishops ; and a determination was
,very institution of the church was to be pre-
.,ll integrity. It was also generally understood,
,re to devise with the chapters the best means to
.hat determination; and yet the Most rev. primate
.ed that he had long had such a measure in his mind.
1 was in many points inconsistent, and in reference to

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that time
neral

canons
rs. TI

A Canterbury its provisions were
le which he bad proposed
-I
had been so clearly ex-
the English law;

could not be

xi the eminent persons who had been
nission to give it effect.

na of CANTERBURY, in reply to the allusion
e early part of the

duet in a

it there had been no inconsistency
lways expressed on the subject of

bishop of EXETER then read, as an extract from the
f the Bishop of London in 1837, the following pas-
''s the accession of Earl Grey to power, the Arch-
' 'fired his views to Earl Grey, and
dy concurrence which he had al-
from his predecessor in office." What, he (the
mid ask, was the meaning of that sen-

p of Canterbury d

3p of Exete

Ele Archbishop of CANTERBURY : Concurrence to the
nt that many abuses had crept into the church, and ought
5e corrected, on which point the right rev. prelate himself
d stronger language, and proposed much more searching
• us improvements, than any contained in the pre-
'Hear, hear.)

Bishop of EXETER :• I am bound to say, that I say it
n, that after what has just passed, there must
correspondence which then took
we believe he said) his grace the

tween

'he Duke of WELLINGTON could not inform their lord-
's of the terms of the conference which had taken place
weep himself and his grace the Archbishop of Canterbury ;
)r, to say the truth," continued the noble duke, " I do
recollect one word of it." (Loud laughter.) But this I
know, that I never entertained but one opinion on this
sect. That opinion was, that it was essentially necessary
additional measures ought to be adopted in this country
reaching the Word of God to the people thereof; and
considering in what degree the church of this country
'owed, it was expedient that the first step, in order to
nds for that purpose, should be made by the clergy
(Loud cheers.) I always entertained those
, When any of the right rev. prelates
i with me on this subject, I stated those
—) I cannot recollect on what occasion or
_nose opinions were delivered to the right rev.
site (the Archbishop of Canterbury ;) but in pre-
petition to your lordships a few nights ago, from
-say of Oxford, against this bill, I said that, in my
ence with that university, I had stated the same
Id that latterly I had gone still further, and said
ersons must have derived but little advantage
id recently occurred, who did not see that fresh
sing every day for thinking that it was abso-
ry that the first step should be taken by the
Ives ; and when a commission, consisting of
he Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of
eir other rev. colleagues, reported that there
ivalent to this purpose, it was iidiculous to
rliament would not insist that those means
Al to before the public was called on to find
for this most important and most necessary

Hear, hear

site convers
ions. (Cheers
hat word

that p

'he Bishop of LONDON was anxious that the bill should go
committee without anything further being said which
ild exacerbate still more those feelings which the speech
is right reverend friend was calculated to excite. He
st say, however, that the proceedings of the commission
, from the firSt.,.been assailed with the grossest misrepre-
Ation ; and that, too, from clergymen who, at least,
ht to have known better. The most extraordinary asser-
.s had been made, and the most extraordinary delusions
11
;.111.47-flailteen signed' fiy persons who
sr stopped to inquire into the merits of the measure
nst which they were petitioning. Considering the arts
:h had been used, therefore, he was not surprised at the
tber of petitions which had been presented against the
or the number of signatures which had been procured
ng the clergy. It had been contended that such measure
.d be justified only on the grounds of a failure in the per-
aance of duty, of misfeasance of duty, or of necessity.
s latter ground was admitted on both sides of the house ;
situated as he was, he could not avoid being constantly
tness to the most lamentable destitution of spiritual in-
ction in the • ery centre of the metropolis, although there
a cathedral in the immediate neighbourhood munificently
awed, having a large establishment of clergy, and receiving
'An jinn- ense income. And yet these revenues were
gar vriated to procure a spiritual food for 100,000
ile ! It had been said that the commission
.:isced by fear ; and to that imputation he
although he only feared to be found wanting
bore to the church. The right rev.

1 an Imm

! concluded by expressing his belief that, if the bill
flowed to pass, their lordships would receive the thanks
great body of the Christian population, for having re-
d an evil which was the bane of the church, and which,
ere not remedied, would be its destruction.
Bishop of ROCHESTER re-asserted his opinion, that
,s could not be released from the oaths they had taken.
bill was then committed pro forma' and the house
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RUSE OF COMMONS.—TIIURSDAY.
Fl IN GTON asked whether the investigation respect-
in India had not been referred to a commission,
r they might expect soon to have the result of the

SE said the report was very voluminous,
tges, but he expected to receive it printed

iministration of justice bill was, on the motion of
RUSSELL. postponed till next session.
. SUGDEN, who was not opposed to its principle,
that more comprehensive improvements were neces-
a were proposed by the present measure.
e sulphur question, Lord PALMERSTON said he had
the monopoly had been already abolished. He stat-
L commission had been appointed, two members by
sit, and two by the Neapolitan government, to which
;as added by the French government, to act as arbi-

of the British claims on Portugal, Lord
that two propositions had been sent out
at no answer had yet been received.
otion of Lord J. RussiaLL, the regency bill was
.1, and being reported without amendment, was or-
be read a third time on Friday.
ast India shipping bill, and the metropolitan police-
All, were respectively read a third time and passed.
iilways' bill and some others were advanced a stage.
'-- of the day for the church discipline bill,
objected to the Speaker's leaving the
-ommitment. It put the clergy, he said, too
i the power of the bishop. The court to be consti-
r inquiring into the conduct of the clergyman was to
ly a prelatical one. The defendant was to have no.
and the inquiry was not to be made by persons of
'lass. He (Mr. Warburton) must therefore move
bill should be committed on that day three months.
)t much in communication with the clergy (at which
rile members laughed and cried " hear," and for
moments well nigh disconcerted the hon. mem-
had understood from some clergymen that the
.nucn disapproved by the members of their profession.
EL%wEs was astonished at the introduction of such a
Phis was the grossest attempt on the part of the
patty to obtain power since the time of Thomas a
t.
•What was wanted was a bill for the reform of the
ashes' oourts.

HODGES read a letter objecting to certain points of
approving the general principle of the bill. He
.never, for further information.
lICHOLL said, that a bill of this kind was necessary
any measure for the reform of the ecclesiastical courts
e practicable. The suggestion of an inquiry into the
ct of a clergyman by a triLunal consisting entirely of
is of his own class was one to which he could not ac-
He saw no reason why a clergyman should be tried
r be clergymen, or a surgeon wholly by surgeons. This
11 been most properly framed to admit laymen as well

ivided, and the bill went into committee,
RTON renewed his objections.

G. VERNON observed on the unfairness of they

whose complaint so long had bee that
aterfere to preserve. good morals in the
clergy. His own impression Was, that
of the bill consisted in its not giving to the bishop
efficiently summary for the purpose of efficient

e lives of t

was a secret court for in_

a the religious opinions of clergymen. The public
excluded from it. which they were not from the
rts. And why were not the bishops themselves
able to the same, or some analagous tribunal ?

a measur

re as the present had an immediate tendency to
gnant feelings of the British people, and irritate
;ainst the church.

ited to know why, if this class of legisla-
,U to the clerical profession, it should not
—for instance, to the legal and the medi-
Tided it was one main object of the bill to
scandal against clergymen.
ICOLL replied, that at common law an examination
taken by committing magistrates in exclusion of the
The public were also excluded train the inquiries of
jury, being intended not for the purpose of trying the
it, but merely for the purpose of ascertaining whe-
•e were grounds to put him on his trial.
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lie app

Y UISaPPrOVed tills measure, which he thought
is one, but declared his opinion that something ought
ne to control the clergy, whom he was pleased to re-
m being by no means one of the best ordered classes
-- Too many of them seemed to think that when
xi, they had done all that

delivered a drowsy

ired of them

ood deal of desultory conversation, and one or

t.. division clauses, the further tortildira,;
tiOMthe.b.iff was postponed to Friday afternoon.
The other orders of the da-.Ji having been disposed of,
Mr. Fox 111.i.taac moved that the house should resolve
itself into committee for the purpose of sanctioning an ad-
vance of money from the treasury to provide for the admi-
" tice in the bordrigh of Birmingham.
Ind then

listration of jus
This passed without opposition

TII obtained leave to bring in a bill for ena
astical courts to discharge any prisoner in the
predicament of the often-mentioned John Thorogood, with
the consent of the party suing out the process.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL and Mr. GRANVILLE VER-
NON, however, said that but for the opinion of Dr. Lush-
ington they should have supposed the ecclesiastical courts to
be already in possession of the proposed power.
The bill was brought in, read a first time, and ordered to
be read a second time on Friday.
The house adjourned at half-past ten.

LordMoß
ling ecclesia

HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY.
Lord BROUGHAM brought in a bill for the better admi-
nistration of justice in equity. His lordship spoke of the
importance of passing some measure on the subject this
session.

The court houses (Ireland) bill went through committee,
after some ineffectual opposition from Lord CHARLEVILLE.
The municipal districts (Ireland) bill went through com-
mittee, as did the Poddle river (Dublin) bill, &c.
Lord DUNCANNON having moved the second reading of
the church temporalities (Ireland) bill.
The Earl of RIPON inquired whether the ecclesiastical
commissioners had expressed their approbation of such