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--, of the house to protect the coy-
sacrificed to any pi ivate interest'Fhat-

were allowed to come into
on the terms proposed, London would become
on the Continent, to an extent
Much of the business tran-
.. Antwerp would take place in Eng-
if British instead of foreign shipping.
IPman concluded by giving his entire,
to the propositions of the

the .etse

I that the effect of the pro-
troy our West India colonies,
urishing than ever, by the en-
hus given to its produce. The
lord (J. Russell) on Friday

adefence of slavery, for all_ his

....... ,
the same as were formerly used by

idly opposed to negro emancipation.
hat neither that house nor

accept the proposition of
expense of grinding down the
(luba—they would not tolerate the
'Tar cheapened at the price of
:Luring interests of this country would
,d that the best thing that could be done
Je, to preserve to them the markets they
,ossession of. Now, from the returns quoted
I, it appeared thatthe exports of British ma-
e West Indies had increased, within a short
hnri 4(1 ner cent.. and to British North Arne-

increase in to reign markets was not
colonies ; and yet the noble lord by his
ling a joint blow at two of the most
rkets—the West Indies and Canada,
h, declaring that be was doing so for

the propositions of the govern-
h a great deal of pleasure, con-
ley would prove, if carried out,
es. ll e had hoped that the landed

I as 1

.s, when a proposition was made to abate all mono-
nild have intimated a willingness to mitigate their
he found himself mistaken, and regretted that class
were still to prevail over those of the public.
ALTER said that the government appeared to pro-
s the plan of increasing the revenue, and, at the
lower'ng prices—two things almost incompatible.
spoken with a great many experienced mercantile
declared that they had no confidence in the finan-
ires proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
particularly that one relating to the introduction
sugars. With respect to the corn laws, he was in
an alteration in them, but the amount of fixed
:h he should support would greatly depend upon
ild be done with the poor bill. It was thought that
in which he had been recently engaged, might
luence on the measures of government;
it. tai

g its circumstances into consi-
I be well Indeed it' it should produce some
sidec of the house.

aught the relief to the consumer in
-,.11 higher interest than the conse-
nt or West indiel„ but the noble lord
would be any appreciable benefit to

result of his proposition. On the con-
I the reduction in the price of sugar as
which, at the average rate of

difference to the pobr operative
_ The noble lord contended that,
England would fall from the high
timation of nations, and the value
herto exhibited with respect to the
dered wholly nugatory. It would
lave trade once more legal, and to
ips to sail from Liverpool under proper and hu-
,ions. than by this measure to give encourage-

lv 2in a who.

very in quarters where it existed in its most re-
acters. The noble lord concluded by expressing
a to vote for the resolution of his noble friend

31,1 0,1110.1J11.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he looked with anxiety to the de-
tcision which the house might come to, only because he saw

who thought their own monopolies in
inciple should be applied to themselves
t to be applied to the protection duties
ward to defeat a measure calculated' to

:ritv of the country

The hon

hOuse of the enthusiastic support

pis political opponents when

_. ward his principles of free trade, and contrasted
not open to it before. This was an argument which could
a i the reception which gentlemen on the opposition
not be applied to the slave-grown cotton and tobacco im-
tel. we to the present Government when trying to carry
ported from America. The right hon. gentleman then ad-
tth liples which Mr. Huskisson promulgated. He verted to the boasts made by the whigs that they were the
is a strong party man, and wished to see his party in power,
parties who bad always advocated the interests of the slave,
it if the gentlemen on the opposition benches would carry
and who had passed the Act of Emancipation, and said that
at those principles of free trade, so important did he deem
he was unwilling to deprive them of the credit which was due
hem, that to thok gentlemen he would give as warm and as to them upon that account • but he must, at the same time,
ordial support as he was that moment giving to his right
remind the house, that at the Congress of Vienna, a conser-
hon. friends. The right hon. gentleman then defended the vative negotiator, acting under the instructions of a conser-
Government from the charge of having taken either Parlia-
vative Administration, had forced upon the powers of Europe
-lent or the colonies by surprise in the proposition which
a conviction of the propriety of recognising the principle of
'y had made, and contended that it would be better to an abolition of the slave trade.
-d'a fair protection only to the colonies, instead of de-
Sir G. GREY said that the government had been, during
them with a monopoly which had never been found to the three nights' discussion which had taken place, most
nanently beneficial. There was, in his opinion, very
anxious•to get at what was likely to be the policy of the bon,
elit in the arguments that the contemplated measure
and right hon. gentleman on the other side of the house, but
•outage slavery or the slave trade. At present this
in vain until the right hon. gentleman at length informed
,t manufactured goods to Brazil in large quantities, them that their policy would be to leave things alone. This
-re paid for in sugar which was refined in Eng-
announcement would not be received, he believed, with very
1, and exported to foreign countries. Surely this great favour by the commercial portion of the community.
ncouragement to slavery quite as effectually as if
The right hon. gentleman intimated that the real opposition
'own sugar was consumed in England. In fact,
to this measure respecting sugar was, that it was regarded by
stion was, whether the trade should be carried
the opposition in the same light that it was regarded by the
It was to be recollected hon. member for Lincoln, as the outwork defences of the
.6 treaty with Brazil, the highest duty
corn-laws. He then adverted to the inconsistency of admit-
e placed on British goods was 15 per cent. ;
tine slave-grown cotton for the interest of our manufactu-
would expire in 1841. It was supposed is Brazil
rers and excluding slave-grown sugar which would be so
ild expire in 1842, and much irritation prevailed nsdul to our manufacturers, and contended that in principle
,he prohibitory duties imposed by 'Great Britain on nothing could be so absurd as to advocate the propriety of
i produce, and unless some alteration in those pro- maintaining that both propositions were reconcileable. The
/ duties should be made, it was unlikely that the com- question was not as to the amount of duty proposed by the
with that country should be continued on terms so fa- Government, but as to whether the/ would adopt a protect-
British manufactures. Ministers might not, ive instead of a prohibitive system. The more the subject
'h in the decision of the house upon that oc- was discussed the better it would be understood by the peo-
- was so much of soundness in the proposi- ple, who would see the unwillingness of hon. gentlemen on
lade, that they must ultimately be adopted by the the other side to grapple with the details of the question.
Mr. GOULBURN, in explanation, said that his expression
of leaving things alone applied only to the opinion that the
revenue from sugar would lie this year increased by doing

Aave to tilt

e prineiu

goods w

Brazili;

:t or circuitous means

but there

Mr. 'GLADSTONE said that the house was not called upon
n that occasion to decide upon the principles of free trade,
ecause the resolution before the house was that the import
uties on sugar were to be governed by higher principles than
ny connected with trade or commerce. The real question
whe.ther they were to abandon an experiment for the
tion of slavery to which they had hitherto steadily ad-
nd towards the success of which the people of this
td made very large sacrifices. As to the benefit to
mer, it would be a poor consolation to the poor
of Bolton to tell him that in order to relieve his
condition there should be a reduction in the price
s 6d in the cwt, a reduction which could never,
y, reach the quantity required by the poor opera-
worthy of remark as to the-expected supply for
year from our colonies that all the estimates of
supply of sugar far exceeded the greatest con-
it had ever hitherto taken place in Great Britain
ear. The hon. gentleman contended that there
lifference between coffee and sugar, because of
rticle there was not a sufficient supply ; the pro-
labour and coffee was not the cause of slavery,
little labour of any kind, while to the ne-
ibour in the production of sugar might be
:in and continuance of the slave trade. The
rnment was to increase the supply of sugar,
_, of foreign sugar was to be increased, so
number of hands to prouce it, and so must an ad-

nothing.
After some observations from Mr. IRVINE the debate was
adjourned until to-morrow.

HOUSE OF LORDS—WEDNESDAY
The lords did not sit to-night.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-WEDNESDAY.
Mr. MUNTZ altered the form of his notice relative to the
Earl of Cardigan, and gave notice that he would move an
address to the crown, praying that an inquiry might be insti-
tuted into the conduct of the Earl of Cardigan, while in com-
mand of the 11th hussars. .

Mr. CHOLMONDELEY resumed the adjourned debate on
the sugar duties, and argued that the proposed reductions
would in no way benefit the consumer, for the saving, what-
ever it might be, would find its way into the pocket of the
merchant. _

ditional number of Africans be torn from their families. The
noble lord talked of inducing the Brazils,to mitigate the evils
of slavery, and to take steps towards its ultimate extinction,
~* he noble lord at the very same moment was proposing

h'" to up the only inducement we could hold out to them to
cdo so—that of admitting their sugars to our market. This
'd twenty millions towards the abolition of
,ty more millions in the shape of gifts to
,c 1 in armaments to suppress the sla,,T trade.
paid something like ten millions in the price
,g fifty millions altogether. Besides all this,
eat sacrifices in human life in our settlements
coast of Africa, and, after all this, they were
...mutate that lust of gain which had
up slavery and the slave trade, notwithstand-
Ins which had been made to put it down.
gentleman sat down, several members rose
ument of the debate, which immediately

called upon to s

s of the day were then disposed of, and the

HOUSE OF LORDS—TUESDAY.
11.18 of LANSDOWNE moved the appointment of a
D inquire into the state of the laws for regulating
payable on promissory notes. The last act re-
subject was passed in 1840, and was only a con-
of the experiment which it was agreed should be
• -st of January, 1843. As the bill would
it became necessary to appoint a corn-
to the propriety of renewing or abandoning
)rior to legislating upon the subject.
thought the committee might be post-
••- • but the motion was agreed to, and

avarded a sta

and their lordships

M ON S

TUESDAY

Mr. EASTHOPE moved for leave to harnindg,AinTafebsi,llarf,odrsuthge
abolition of church-rates in England
gested that the discussion should be taken on the second-
reading. This was opposed by Dr. Nrcuoz.z., and after some
discussion Mr. EASTHOPE withdrew his motion, and gave
notice of its renewal on that day fortnight.
The adjourned debate on the sugar duties was resumed by
Mr. MACAULAY, who replied to the 'speech of Mr. Glad..
stone, on the previous evening, although, he said, he had
no intention of taking any 'share in the discussion. He
looked in vain to the resolution of the noble lord opposite
Sandon) for the assertion of any great principle. Uri
appeared to him to be nothing more than a
ilfully-contrived party movement, with a view to displace
ie present ministry, without at all committing their suc-
sors. —There p
was not in the resolution anything to
are vent
m er
supporters of it from coming down hereafter with the
e
measures which the resolution was now brought forward

Lord Howicx said he entirely dissented from the hon.
member for the Tower Hamlets, as to the opinion that the
admission of foreign sugar would tend to the encouragement
of the slave trade. He could not admit that there was any
reason to suppose that sugar, the produce of free labour,
could not compete with that which was the result of slave
labour,—on the contrary, he believed that free labour, if
properly stimulated, was more than equal to a competition
with slavery. Our sugar estates in the colonies had hitherto
been conducted in the most barbarous manner, being con-
ducted entirely by agents for proprietors resident in England.
If a farm in England was to be similarly conducted by an
agent for a proprietor resident in Jamaica, the result, he
believed, would be very much the same. If, however. those
estates in the West Indies should be conducted by those im-
mediately interested in their success, who would also be inte-
rested in introducing an improved system of agriculture, he
had no doubt but the free labour sugar would undersell the
slave grown sugar in the European markets. On the other
hand, while a monopoly was given to our colonies, it was
hopeless to expect anything like an improved system of agri-
culture. He was of opinion that the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer might have gone still further, and proposed a reduc-
tion of duty on colonial sugar, trusting for an increased re-
venue to increased consumption ; but the proposition as it
stood would be attended with much advantage to the public,
not so much by the decrease in the price of sugar, as by the
opening fresh fields for the industry of the country. The
house would recollect that if the measures of the government
were rejected, they must resort to fresh, taxation, the result
of which would be to convert a vast number of rate-payers
into receivers of relief from those rates to which they now
contributed.
Mr. C. W. WYNN contended that the proposal of Mi-
nisters wouli be, if acceded to, a direct encouragement of
the slave trade. He denied that the whigs had a right to
assume to themselves the credit of carrying the Slave Eman-
cipation Act. That act was not fairly to be claimed by any
party, for it was the result of the irresistible voice of the
nation raised against the accursed traffic.
Mr. W. EVANS advocated the measure proposed by go-
vernment, and expressed a hope that the country would not
relax in its exertions to put down the slave trade, though he
did not think that in order to do so they should impose very
great additional burdens on the people, when the object
might be otherwise attained.
Lord WORSLEY opposed the measure proposed by the
Government, and condemned the projected interference with
the corn-laws. _ _ _

he contrary, it

Sir A. GRANT insisted on the right of the West Indian
proprietors to protection, more particularly when it was re-
collected that the £20,000,000 which had been given by par-
liament as compensation to the slave owners was scarcely .a
third of the value of the emancipated slaves. The proprie-
tors had as valid a property in their slaves as in their lands,
and when their right of property was interfered with, the
full value should have been paid. That had not, however,
been done, and in addition to the wrong thus inflicted, they
were now to be deprived of the protection which they had
hitherto enjoyed.
Mr. J. O'CoNNELL supported the Government proposi-
tion, and said, that though an Irish member, he must de-
clare that he could not see any benefit that the corn-laws