The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1840-05-15 00:00:00

EXAMINATION OF RICHARD GOULD.

(From the Morning Herald of Tuesday.)
Shortly after the prisoner Courvoisier was taken from the
bar, Gould was brought forward and placed in the dock,
charged with burglariously entering the premises of the late
John Templeman, and stealing therefrom a quantity of silver
money.
Mr. Hobler appeared to prosecute.
Mrs. Thornton, who inhabits one of the cottages in Po-
cock's fields, 'and other witnesses who had been examined
when the prisoner was tried for the murder of the deceased,
last sessions, at the Central Criminal Court, repeated the
evidence they gave on that occasion respecting the situation
of the cottage of the deceased, and the circumstances attend-
ing the murder, together with the fact of the silver money
having been found at Allen's cottage, where the prisoner
lodged at the time, &c.
Serjeant Otway, of the 'A division, then rented the evidence
he gave on Saturday with respect to the apprehension of the
prisoner at Gravesend, on board a vessel bound for Sydney.
He also detailed the conversation which he bad with the pri-
soner, with reference to the reward ()tiered by the Secre-
tary of State, for the apprehension and conviction of the
person or persons by whom the murder was committed.
He then repeated, from memory, the whole of the con-
fession which the prisoner made to him in the House of
Correction, last Saturday night. The following is a verbatim
copy of that confession, as it was taken down from the lips
of the prisoner :
CONFESSION OF RICHARD GOULD.

" It was first proposed, in consequence of showing his
notes, but it was not finally settled till Sunday morning,
when I was at Jarvis's, and then it was arranged that we
should go on Monday night, and I went away early on Sun-
day, because Jarvis expected his brother ; but before I went,
Jarvis got a piece of wood (out of the garden), which he
used as a dibber :' he made a hole in it, through which he
put a piece of string, so as to hang it on his wrist. After
that 1 went to the Flora Tavern, York-place, and gotdrunk.
I was to have seen Jarvis early next morning ; but in conse-
quence of lying in bed so late, Mrs. Jarvis came down to
Allen's, and brought a message from Jarvis, stating that I
was not to go near their house till after the public-houses
were closed at night ; but I did go with her, as she had got
breakfast ready, and said there would be no fear of being no-
ticed. I then went to the Rainbow, and stopped till near

12 at night, and then went to Jarvis's, being a few minutes
past 12. Me and Jarvis went out together. Mrs. Jarvis
stopped under the portico to watch, in case any one came
she might give the alarm. I went in first by the window,
and broke a bit of paper out and a little bit of glass, and
then I got my finger in and undid the button. I then got in,
and Jarvis got in after roe. After I got in, the chisel Jarvis
brought I got from him, and broke the door open. We
could not find anything hut the silver in a box—no half-sove-
reigns or gold there. Jarvis went into the bed-room. He
said, as I could not find the notes, most likely he (Mr.
Templeman) had them under his head. He then said, "We
must make him quiet and fast." Jarvis then struck him
with the stick. The old man then jumped right out of bed.
Jarvis then knocked him down, and held his hands while I
tied them with the clothes-line we brought with us. Jarvis
then tied the stocking over his eyes. We then made another
search for the notes, and I found them wrapped up in
some other papers in the drawer where we had found
the silver in the bog. We had before overlooked them.
I told Jarvis they were no account, only barber's
notes,' and we left them behind. 1 then said we had
better step oft' as quick as we could. The old man had
then come round by this time and said, • 1 know you.'
I jumped out of the window. Jarvis said we should
be sure to be found out. He then said, I would rather
settle him than be found out,' and went back into the room.
He then came out of the window the same way as we got
_ _

in. We went to Jarvis's house, where Mrs. Jarvis was out-
side of the door. I wanted to divide the money. He said,
I bad better plant it for a bit, as all the cottages about
there would be sure to be " frisked." I agreed, and then
said I would make haste and show myself somewhere in case
of being suspected. I promised to meet Mrs. Jarvis the
next morning at the Three Goats Head in Wandsworth-road.
The fire being out, I said I had better put the piece of wood
out of the way, and I took and threw it into the New River
that night, and a dark lantern I threw into a pond in Po-
cock's-fields. I then went up by the Angel, and went to a
coffee-stall at the corner of the New-road, where I had some
coffee, and stopped about half an hour. There was a man
there selling some pictures to a young woman. He sold her
four for 6d. I asked if the're was a tobacco-shop open ; he
said he did not know. I then asked him to sell me a pipe,
and I then went home (it was then near two o'clock), and
went to bed. Next morning I placed the money where it
was found, and took about nine shillings from it. The stock-
ing it was in was an odd one belonging to myself. I then
went to a coffee-shop opposite the Three Goats' Head,
Wandsworth-road, and had my breakfast, and then went to
a public-house and waited till Mrs. Jarvis came • we had a
pint and half of beer and a quartern of gin. We then re-
turned towards Jarvis's ; when we got to Lambeth-walk I
bought the shoes for 7s. Gd., and paid for them with silver.
When we came out I proposed to throw the old shoes away,
as they were not worth anything. She said, Don't do that,
Dick, I'll go and sell them ; if they only fetch a quartern its
better than nothing." She went and sold them for twopence
in Oakley-street, Lambeth. I asked her if she had said any-
thing to the girl Thornton in the morning, when she saw her,
She said, no, she had only asked her what was the matter,
but she did not stop to answer. She said she had seen a man
come along of the name of Ellis, and she told him she was
going to her sister's for a ' screw.' I told her she had better
go there, she could then give an account of herself if she was
suspected. She went, and I waited at the General Wolfe,
Gray's Inn-lane; we then went to the. Belvidere; Penton-
vile, and she got a quartern of gin on trust. We then went
to Thornhill-road, Islington, when we met Ellis; we spoke
to him. I left, and went to the Rainbow. She went home.
I agreed to go to her house to tea when it got dusk. She
came to the Rainbow to me and told me there was a " Rare
stink abont it," and I had better keep away that night and
come in the morning. I then went home, and was appre-
hended at half-past 11 that night."
After the serjeant concluded,
Gould said—Did you not, before I made that statement,
tell me if I disclosed all I knew respecting the murder, I
should be entitled to the reward of £2OO and a free pardon?
Otway—l showed you the letter of the Secretary of State,
offering the reward on the terms stated.
Mr. Hobler—Did you persuade the prisoner to make any
confession?
Otway—Certainly not; I made no attempt to persuade
him. I merely calledrhis attenfion to the letter offering the
reward.
Mr. HALL—It is quite clear that this person is not enti-
tled to the reward, because, by his own statement, he has
not only been a party to the robbery but to the murder also.
Mr. Hobler—Certainly, that is my view of the case.
Gould (to Otway)—You stated to me, in order to induce
me to confess, that I could not be tried again fur the mur-
der.

Otway—Yes, I did say so.
Mr. Hobler—Did you tell him that he could not be tried
for the robbery ?
Otway—No, I said nothing of the sort.
Gould—He told me, when he first saw me on board the
vessel, that he was sent by the Secretary of State on purpose
to let me know that a reward of £2OO was offered, together
with a free pardon, to any person concerned except the actual
murderer.

Mr. HALL—That is precisely what he says now.
Gould—l at first declined, and said I should not give any
information about it, and that I would rather go abroad at
once. The officer then endeavoured to persuade me to con-
fess, and said, ." If I lay you down a certain sum of money,
will you give me the information?" lat last, by his per-
suasion, agreed to tell what I knew.
Mr. nobler (to Otway)—Did you make any offer of irui-
ney to the prisoner?
Otway—No, I did not ' • but he himself, after reading the
order of the Secretary of State twice over, proposed to name
the murderer on condition that he should receive £lOO and
the amount of his passage out to Sydney.
Mr. HALL asked Gould if he had any further observation
to make ?
Gould—No, sir, I have not.
Mr. HALL—You are now remanded, and will be brought
up again next Wednesday.
The prisoner was then removed, and Jarvis and his wife,
the latter with a child in her arms, were placed at the bar.
Mr. HALL asked inspector Miller if he had any evidence
to offer against the prisoners.
Miller—None whatever against Jarvis.
Mr. HALL—Have you any evidence as regards his wife?
Miller—No, none, except what has been already elicited.
Mr. HALL asked Jarvis if he was still working for the same

master ?
Jarvis replied that he was discharged by his master last
Saturthq, but he was at work elsewhere. He lived, he said,
at No. 4, Chads-place, Gray's Inn-road.
Mr. HALL then ordered both Jarvis and his wife to be dis-
charged on their promising to come forward at any time their
presence might be required.
They were then taken from the bar.

RICHARD GOULD AND THE UNDER-SHERIFFS.
Several very incorrect statements relative to the proceed-
ings adopted by the under-sheriffs in reference to the man
Gould baying been made public, and some of them being of

a character requiring contradiction, we lay before our readers
the following statement, which is derived from a source upon
which reliance can be placed.
,Messrs. France and Jackson,
the under-sheriffs, having humanelyundertaken theprisoner's
defence, they were exceedingly anxiousl that the trial should
have been postponed from the last to the present session, as
they had good reason to believe that in the interval the pri-
soner would make some communication likely to forward
the ends of justice, and that it would not be necessary to try
the prisoner at all upon that charge. The prosecutors, how-
ever, resisted the application for a postponement, and the
trial accordingly took place, and ended, as our readers are
aware, in the acquittal of the prisoner. After the trial was
over, Baron Alderson had accnference with the under-sheriffs,
and his lordship observed that it was clear that the prisoner
was a bad character, and asked what was to be done with him.
The under-sheriffs informed his lordship that they understood
that he had a relation in Sydney, and that if some of his re-
latives here would get him clothes they thought they should be
able to obtain a passage for him. Baron Alderson inquired how
the expenses of the passage-money would be defrayed, and said
that he should be very willing to contribute aportion of the sum
which might be required. His lordship was informed that it
would not be necessary that he should do this, as the sheriffs'
fund might be rendered available for that purpose. A diffi-
culty then arose as to what should be done with the prisoner
up to the period of a vessel being provided for him, as it was
feared that if he were suffered to go at large he would return
to his bad acquaintances and get into some fresh scrape, and
it was arranged that he should go to the Compter ; and he
remained in that prison for nearly a month. In the mean-
time an application was made to Mr. Alderman Pirie on the
subject of getting the prisoner a passage to Sydney, but the
worthy alderman observed that it would be impossible to
send him abroad in his own name, as from the notoriety he

had acquired he would very probably be ill used by the sail-
ors, and, indeed, it was doubtful whether any captain would
take him on board ship, and that the only way to arrange the
matter would be to ship him as a passenger under another
name ; and for the reason above stated this course was
adopted. During the whole of the veriod the prisoner was
in the Compter no communication whatever took place rela-
tive to any further charge being preferred against him, and
the under-sheriffs were not at all aware that it was intended
to prefer such charge against the prisoner ; and, in conse*-
quence, when the ship was ready, the prisoner's relatives
having supplied him with clothes, the passage-money was
paid, and he was sent off to the vessel, but no sum of money,
as has been stated, was given to him before he went on board.
This step had, moreover, hardly been completed, before the
warrant was sent for his apprehension upon the charge upon
which he is at present in custody.

RECANTATION OF THE PRISONER GOULD
(From the Times of Wednesday.)

About an hour after Gould was removed from the bar on
Monday evening last, at the conclusion of his examination,
he expressed a wish to the gaoler to see the magistrate again.
saying that he had something to communicate that he should
not disclose to any other person. Supposing that he was
about to make some further disclosureS respecting the mur-
der and robbery of Mr. Templeman, Mr. Hall ordered him
to be he brought forward, and he was accordingly again
placed at the bar, when the magistrate told him that he was
ready to hear whatever he wished to say.
Gould then said he merely wished to inform the magistrate
that the statement he had made to Otway, the police serge-
ant was not true.

Mr. Hall.—How ! Do you mean to tell me now, that the
confession which was taken down from your own lips, and
1)y your own desire, and which you heard repeated to-day by
the officer, word for word, without any denial on your part,
is untrue?

Gould—l do mean to say so—it is false from beginning to
end. The officer induced me to make it, by holding out to
me that I should be entitled to the reward, and could not be
tried again, if I told the name of the person who actually
committed the deed.

Mr. Hall shook his head, and the prisoner, having again
declared that the statement he had made was untrue from
first to last, left the court in custody of the gaoler, and was
again locked up, and soon after taken from the cell to the
House of Correction. _ _

There can be no doubt but that his sole object in making
the " confession" to Otway, by which he sought to fix Jarvis
with the murder, was the reward which was offered by the se-
cretary of state ; and as soon as he found that no credit what-
ever was attached to his statement, and that his cunning had
overreached itself, and was moreover likely to produce per-
sonal consequences which he did not at first anticipate, he
made up his mind in the interval between his removal from
the bar and the time he was taken to the House of Correc-

tion to deny the whole of his previous declaration, and thus
avert the danger in which he found himself placed by the ad-
mission he had made of his own participation in the guilt both
of the murder and robbery.