The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-07-05 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, TUESDAY, JULY

Mr. Carson presided at the meeting held on Wednesday
evening at Halliday's coffee-house, Everton.

EVERTON AND KIRKDALE WARDS.

Liverpool on this and similar occasions. (Loud cheers.)
He was also gratified at the extraordinary accuracy with
which every word which fell from the lips of those who
addressed them was, in the course of a few hours, reported
in their journals, and he was gratified at this accuracy,
because all he desired was, that whatever fell from him
should be faithfully reported. (Applause.) He re-
ferred to the question of Mr. Walpole's proposed mea-
sure to stop bribery, treating, and intimidation at
elections ; and replied to some comments on his Am-
phitheatre speech, published in one of the local papers,
finding fault with his expressed opinion, that the
House of Commons ought to resign its judicial powers
in all matters connected with the trials of controverted
elections. In reference to some personal observations in
the same paper, the hon. gentleman said he put forward
no claim to represent Liverpool; but if they wished to
know his qualifications or his knowledge on commercial
subjects, ask him and they should hear what he knew.
(Hear, and cheers.) He did happen to know something
of trade and commerce. For fourteen or fifteen years he
had represented, in the House of Commons, a community
as great in their commercial pursuits, as numerous, and
more numerous than the community of Liverpool—as
intelligent and as capable to judge of the qualifications of
their representative even as the electors of Liverpool.
(Hear, hear.) Commercial matters had been made
familiar to him by the intercourse he had with this indus-
trious community. The article wound up by saying—
" Mr. Liddell is a respectable country gentleman." He
(Mr. Liddell) was very much obliged to him for the com-
pliment paid him. He assured him it was a great honour
the appellation of being a respectable country gentleman ;
but he said, " he is a respectable country gentleman, with
a family of some fifteen or sixteen little Hannibals to pro-
vide for." (Great laughter and cheering.) The editor of
the Times had given him two more—(children)— than the
Almighty had thought proper to give him, and he had not
all at present. He had eleven children, and out of them
only four could be counted as Hannibals, because only
four were of the male gender. (Cheers.) The great
Carthagenian warrior was sworn by his father, on the
altar of his country, never, so long as he lived, to desist,
until his wrongs were avenged. (Cheers.) If that
GREAT GEORGE, PITT-STREET, RODNEY- were the reason that his children were called Han-
STREET, ST. PETER'S, AND ABERCROMBY nibals, he was content to devote them to his country.
WARDS. (Hear, and great applause.) But, more than that, he had
A meeting of the electors of these wards was convened devoted them to his country. (Continued applause.)
at the Assembly-rooms, Great George-street, on Thurs. His (Mr. Liddell's) youngest son was at that moment
day evening, and was most numerously attended. The quartered in the Amatoro Mountains, engaged in the war
reception of Mr. Liddell was enthusiastic. Mr. Conn- with the Kaffirs, and exposed to all the dangers of that
cillor Hugh Neill occupied the chair. I barbarous warfare, and last time he wrote to him he said
The CHAIRMAN said that for twenty-two years he had what a luxury it would be to be again in a bed, or under
watched the elections in Liverpool, and he never saw so , a roof. (Cheers.) His second son was about to embark,
true, and faithful, and honest an election as the last, at Cork, with the 81st Regiment, in which he held a cap-
representing the wishes of the great majority of the elec- I tain's commission, to join the forces in India. (Cheers.)
tors—(cheers) ;—but it was hard to tell what blighted , He was a midshipman at the age of 13, and fought through
hopes might do with persons whose minds were not very the whole of the China war as a mere boy. (Applause.)
well regulated. (Laughter, and cheers.) i He, young as he was, wore a medal on his breast for the
Mr. Outs. Camos, of Pitt-street Ward, proposed the p dangers he went through, and the privations he endured
first resolution :—" That this meeting views with great in that war which they had read of, but which none of
disapprobation the factious conduct which characterised them experienced. (Cheers.) He, young as he was, was
the late petition of the Whig-Radical party, and cannot absent for five Christmasses running, four of which were
allow this opportunity to pass without expressing their • spent in the four quarters of the globe. (Cheers.) He
great regret that such paltry proceedings should have de- was the second Hannibal, who, according to the Liver-
prived the town of the valuable services of Chas. Turner, pool Times, I want to quarter on the country. (Cheers
Esq., and William Forbes Mackenzie, Esq., to whom this and laughter.) His (Mr. Liddell's) eldest son was en-
meeting begs to offer their cordial sympathy." gaged in the service of his country in the Commons
Mr. Councillor J. A. TosiN, in an eloquent and pithy House of Parliament, representing a great and enlight-
speech, seconded the resolution, which was carried unani- ened community ; and, although in delicate health, he
mously. Mr. Tobin alluded to the failure of the attempt was one of those who sat last on the benches of the
on the part of the Whig-Radical party to obtain candi- House of Commons in order that the writ might be issued
dates, and stated that they had put forward the name of for the borough of Liverpool. (Cheers.) He (Mr. Lid-
Mr. Bramley.Moore in order to sow the seeds of discord dell) had but one more Hannibal to provide for—
in the Conservative party. (Hear, hear.) This, he (laughter)—and he was incapacitated by real infirmity
warned the electors present, was only a weak invention from taking an active line of life ; he was engaged as a
of the enemy ; and he stated, that immediately the deci- clerk in a public office, driving his fingers off with accounts
sion of the parliamentary committee was made known in repugnant to his feelings and nature, at the enormous
the town, a meeting of the Conservative party took place, salary of £9O per year. (Cheers.)
at which the various wards were represented, when the Mr. G. H. HORSFALL came forward, and was loudly
names of the Hon. Mr. Liddell, Mr. T. B. Horsfall, and cheered. He referred to an artiele in the Mercury,
Mr. Bramley-Moore were brought forward, and, after charging him with presumption in having accepted the
the fullest consideration, it was decided that the Hon. requisition on the part of his brother, and asked was it
Mr. Liddell and Mr. Horsfall were fit and proper persons presumption that he should act on his brother's behalf
to represent the borough. (Cheers, and a Voice " Mr, the second time the honour had been offered to him ?
Bramley-Moore ought to deny it.") (Cries of " No.") He then referred to a speech delivered
The CHAIRMAN then introduced in Newcastle, in 1844, by Mr. Geo. Stephenson, who
The Honourable Mr. LIDDELL, who was received with stated that the first locomotive engine he ever constructed
loud cheers and Kentish fire, and who delivered a length- was for and with the money of Lord Ravensworth.
ened speech. As a perfect stranger he should never have (Cheers.) Was any one who could appeal to such an
presumed to solicit the honour of representing Liverpool, antecedent as that a stranger in Liverpool ? (Hear, and
had he not been induced to do so by representations which cheers.) They might fairly trace their vast railway enter-
made him feel that were he to shrink from his post he prise to Lord Ravensworth,—and there stood his son.
Should not be fulfilling the duty which he owed to his (Great applause.) He inculcated strongly the necessity
country. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Now, when that of union, which would cause them to be triumphantly
was the question between him (Mr. Liddell) and their successful. (Cheers.)
respected, and, he believed, very able townsman, Mr. Mr. NIXON proposed the following resolution :—" That
Bramley Moore, Mr. Bramley-Moore must perceive that this meeting, from the admirable sentiments enunciated by
it was not by his fault or by his presence that he was the Hon." Henry Thomas Liddell this evening, and at the
kept out from the post to which he possibly might, and other meetings which he has attended and addressed the
with justice, aspire ; but it was because an opinion had electors, and from the well-known opinions held by our
been expressed, by the vast majority of the Conservative respected townsman, Thomas Berry Horsfall, Esq.. (so
constituency at Liverpool, that an humble individual like ably represented by his brother, George Henry Horsfall,
himself should be thought worthy to represent this great , Esq.,) think them highly qualified as candidates for the
' town. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) There was nothing representation of this borough in parliament, and hereby
like putting the matter on a right footing at starting— ' pledge itself to use every exertion to secure their return."
(cheers)—and he need not say that, if any expression of Mr. RIDING seconded the motion, which was unani-
public opinion were given against him (Mr. Liddell), he mously agreed to, and after a few words from Mr. BOLD,
should not lose a moment in at once withdrawing himself and a vote of thanks was given to the chairman, the pro-
from their notice. (Hear, hear.) ceedings terminated.
Mr. G. H. HORSFALL followed the honourable candi-
date, and in the course of his remarks desired to say one MEETING IN THE COTTON SALES-ROOM.
word with respect to Mr. Bramley-Moore. They had On Saturday, at noon' a large meeting of the friends and sup-
seen placards upon the walls inviting the electors to sign porters of the Hon. H.T. Liddell and Mr. T. B. Horsfall was
a requisition to that gentleman to allow himself to be put , held in the Cotton Sales-room. Mr. Liddell entered the room
in nomination at the ensuing election. For the first time precisely at twelve o'clock, accompanied by Messrs. Edmund
MoserollThos.neoxanizieasmTyizier4 i a3ial
>;ittledale, Robert ,rEdwardsest
on
some of them had been permitted to catch a glimpse of
that requisition—(hear)—for the first time that day it had Robt Hors tall, Wm. RoWett, &c.
appeared upon the Liverpool Exchange, where it had On the proposition of Mr. H. 1- __ITTLIMALE, Mr. Jas. Tyrer
always been the custom to place requisitions of the kind was cowed- upon to preside. •
at the outset; and he thought the meeting would agree
this
he felt it a
'l'
withas t e
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heo rdei di) pleasing
ne.7l duty
in
taking the chair
asmac on
as occasion
he ho,
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with him that it was only a proper mark of respect to ta
find much fat
those who had been in the habit of taking a prominent former member, Mr. Cardwell, on account of broken promises.
lead in these matters that it should be so. (Hear, hear.) (Hear, hear.) He was proud to place before them as fitting
For the first time, that day the requisition had made its candidates for the suffrages of the electors of Liverpool, the
appearance ; it 'was there for some time that afternoon, names of the Hon. H. I'. Liddell and Mr. T. B. Horsfan,
and during the period it was there he had the satisfaction (Cheer Ts.)
Mr. T. E. Moss moved the first resolution. It had been the
to tell the meeting there were only about 15 or 16 names boast, he said, on former occasions, that, in this borough of
added to it, and amongst those names, the first name at-
, Liverpool, all the acrimony, and feeling, and party-spirit
tached to the requisition was the name of Mr. Samuel which was indispensably connected with a great struggle,
Mellor, the radical representative of Everton ward. (Oh ! had generally vanished on the declaration of the poll. (Hear,
Oh !) The next gentleman whose name appeared there hear.) But how different had been the conduct of their oppo-
was that of Mr. T. L. Hodson. (Loud laughter.) He nents
taitan)eeelantet a election.t
ltla (Hear,
hear.)
nT The Conservativesr.
p o
ff
was not sure that he could describe that gentleman's the Orpinion of Liverpool, that there had been a large number of
politics; but they would be better able to understand purchased votes, and that not only were men bribed with ss.,
them when he told them that, at the late municipal elec- but it was publicly stated nine months ago that many mer-
tion, he was put forward in St. Ann's ward in opposition chants on the Exchange were connected with these proceed-
to their highly-respectable fellow-townsman, Mr. Francis lugs. (Hear, hear.) This _was a grievous charge which
Shand.
supportssrs with
voindetijn.eu ande;
rtf Ronald—(hisses)—wereleyhanon etenvtb.eoruentchet,o.
Shand. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers for Mr. Shand.) Ilfe
The next name was that of Mr. Towers, of the Angel, bound in honour to withdraw it. great cheering.) He be-
(Cries of " Oh, oh," and " Mr. Macfie.") They could lieved they would agree with him in asserting that their late
connect that with the name of Mr. Macfie if they pleased. members, during the time they represented this borough in
(Cheers and laughter.) Now for one remark, and he had Parliament, did their duty to the town. (Hear, hear.) The
done. (A Voice : " Was not old Rathbone there ?") He raeFerveitatelleynifelit3 atthtehtetairmbeseionfgtitteakeen
tleway from them was
was quite willing to leave Mr. Rathbone in their hands. "
brought before trieir notice. alear,ghenar.)m
He had the satisfaction of receiving from him £ll 4s. for moved " That this meeting feels it to be their duty to give their
In wconoduTsnion, he
his expenses to London. (Cheers.) There was not a warmest thanks to Messrs. Turner and Mackenzie. for the un-
shadow of doubt but that this requisition to Mr. Moore deviating attention displayed by them while representatives in
had been set on foot exclusively by those whose interest Parliament of the vast commercial interests of this borough ;
cordial regret that the bond has
it was to sow disunion amongst them. (Cheers.) He and
en thats o ir" te offers
au
retlhesmeveiit•edc.B
concluded by strongly urging them to be united in the be
Mr. Jio'FIN MYEITS briefly seconded the proposition, which
coming struggle. (Cheers.) was carried by acclamation.
Mr. THOMAS BOLD, having been vehemently called The Hon. H. T. LIDDELL, having been introduced by the
for, said, in reference to the requisition to Mr. Bramley- Chairman, amidst loud cheers, spoke to the following effect :
After the able speech from Mr. Moss, in moving the resolution,
Moore, he said he believed that ever since that gentleman
fneeltcsoonfeessnittortitinieifinrastd(tiirmesesisnince hhe entered Liverpool, he
s
placed himself before the public of Liverpool as a public
character, there had been no one more friendly towards he saw before ?limo. He laboured such large
him than he (Mr. Bold) had been. He had always he had never experienced before; for, on former occasions, he
thought, and he had no reason to think otherwise, that knew what topics were likely to interest his audience, and he
he was a straightforward man. (Hear, hear.) He called might be able to give some previous thought to them. Now,
upon Mr. Bramley-Moore after the first placard was put however, he was quite at a loss what observations to address
mtoeann
of
:bmeblagetcodrfsltiosed.soifle,tihe mgcnhtahnts and commercial
Out, and begged of him, as a gentleman and a man, not ;
to be deluded by the Radicals. He knew that that pia- The only assistanceos he Vaud' on tlfiosroccasioenwowras drawn, not
card was put out by them, not by any friends of Mr. from the goodwill of his friends, but from the charges and
Bramley-Moore, and now they had clear proof of it by attacks of his enemies. Were it not for the disparaging obser-
what had been stated with respect to the requisition vations made against him, humble individual as he was, and
which had been placed in the Exchange. Mr. Bramley-having but few claims to put himself forward as a candidate
for their suffrages? beyond the desire of doing his duty, to the
Moore did not meet the call as he (Mr. Bold) hoped he ' very letter and spirit of that duty, in the House of Commons—
would have done. He was afraid that Mr. Bramley- I (cheers)—were it not for these charges, he would have con-
Moore believed he had a chance. Did they think he had sidereabe difficulty—
anygentleman was interrupted by aVpooireteanint
? (Cries of "None," and cheers.) Did the meeting
think he had any chance. when he was brought forward theloody honourable room, stating that it
observedthi
to communicate. Another Voice that the owners of
by Mr. Hodson, Mr. Mellor, and Mr. Towers, of Angelic the office beneath the room were under some apprehension
notoriety ? (Laughter.) Did they suppose that those lest the flooring should give way. A third Voice " The old
gentlemen could carry Mr. Bramley-Moore triumphantly story!" (Laughter.) If gentlemen would refrain from stamp-
to the head of the poll ? (" No," and cheers.) 'Why, it
oingtonned.the floor, the desired object, he thought, would be
was a perfect farce to suppose it possible. He only hoped obtained.
The CHAIRMAN assured the meeting that the room was per-
that Mr. Bramley Moore would come out, because he fectly secure; but, as stamping on the floor might be some
(Mr. Bold) did not like a sham fight. He liked a real annoyance to gentlemen "below"—(laughter)—he suggested
fight, and he thought it would do them all good. He that they should show their approbation by cheering and clap-
was ready to work with them, and let them go to the ping of hands. (Cheers.)
poll, and carry Mr. Liddell and Mr. Horsfall with not Mr. LIDDELL, in resuming his address, said it must be a
source of great satisfaction to gentlemen in the meeting to
1,500 but 2,000 majority. know that the room was perfectly sate, especially when they
Mr. R. A. PAYNE, of Rodney-street ward, moved the bore in mind the terrible accident which occurred last year at
second resolution, pledging the meeting to support the Corn Exchange. Before the interruption he was proceeding
Messrs. Liddell and Horsfall, which was seconded by to say, that but for the accusations and charges of that portion
Mr. ALEXANDER SHAND, and carried unanimously ; of the press which was hostile to his pretensions, and hostile
and, after a few words from Mr. THISTLE, who apologized generally to what he believed was
lthehfeleeling of the towiidof
for the unavoidable absence of Mr. Alderman Cooper, Liverpool—(cheers)—hertona should
topic on
beenat consi e-
d proper on which to address them.
the announcement of whose name was loudly cheered, Butethoerses were occasions when a man might be excused, and
the meeting separated amidst the usual demonstrations. this was one of them, for standing forward in his own defence.
They had been informed in the columns of the Liverpool Time:
or Mercury, that although Mr. Liddell might be a respectable
country gentleman, and highly qualified to pronounce on the
merits of stock and the produce of the land, yet that he was
in no degree qualified to represent the great commercial town
of Liverpool. Now, what he had to say was this, he had
been long familiar with commercial subjects. (Hear, hear,
and applause.) Indeed, it would be somewhat extraordinary
if, having been connected with public interests—having for
a period, almost amounting to thirty years, been connected
with the varied commercial, shipping, mining, and agricul-
tural interests of two great northern counties of England,
it would be somewhat extraordinary if he were in no degree
familiar and acquainted with the views, and feelings, and inte-
rests of commercial men. (Hear, hear.) He was, therefore,
prepared to say, that he thought he had more acquaintance
with matters connected with trade and commerce, from that
experience, than he had with agricultural affairs ; for he cer-
tainly had devoted a great deal more time and consideration to
those interests than he had ever devoted to farming and the
agricultural interests of the country. (Hear, hear.) During
the period to which he had alluded—a period of nearly thirty
years—between fourteen and fifteen years had been passed by
him as the representative of those interests in the House of
Commons ; and he would ask them whether it was likely, to a
man of even ordinary observation and ability, to have occupied
so long a period in the house, with those subjects being brought
under his daily consideration, without acquiring some fami-
liarity with them. (" Hear, hear !" and cheers.) But he
stated in his address that there were subjects and matters in
reference to which he would refer them, if any would wish to
take
fetßoramcthat committee
the
Ricardo,
tmrewdoi trouble
two sessions,
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On
their
honoured representative, Sir Howard Douglas, and two others,
all belonging to the commercial world
except Sir Howard
Douglas, who was in the naval profession, but who, neverthe-
alenscse,
wreapsruenserenmteidttitnhgeidruirninteartebsetstwino
sessions,parliame bnat.vinlig
absent from two meetings; and he referred them toiostnhelay(tbeenedn
ques-
tions he put to the witnesses on the. spur of the moment, and
committeeaccording tfoortthbee npantruproesoefo the 4,v
must not have directed
phrisescsonfoliridin
erilwtionichtocatmhies before the
the press
opinion to be
nu;enoselves, whether he
knowl If he e wasin
wtaunted
form
mb yw tahs
giving his opinion upon commercial s cgoimveinng, fcor:uvaldrdaaniyid
jecta, he would wish to
thing be more presumptuous than that be, in
.iheir presence,
should attempt to deliver a lecture on commercial affairs, they
being qualified to form their own judgmentsbona
himselfaot matters
osenor
ff
es that
clh
answering description. (Hear, hear.) It was only
ques-
tions which might be put to him that hi4mi
matters could be tested. And he professed
ready to answer 11$ best be might at the spur of the pmoment,

Mr. T. D. AN-DiasoN moved, and Mr. MADDOCK se-
conded, a vote of confidence in Messrs. Horsfall and
Liddell as fir, and proper representatives, which was
adopted unanimously.

The Hon. Mr. LIDDELL addressed the meeting, and in
the course of his remarks stated that he had the authority
of the late Lord Chancellor,Lord St. Leonards, for saying
that the pretended delinquencies on the part of the Liver-
pool electors were no offence whatever, even against the
existing laws. (Cheers.) He believed that Lord 'St.
Leonards declared that, in law, the acceptance of a day's
wages for a day's holiday was nothing in the shape of
bribery or corruption. (Great applause, followed by three
groans for the petitioners.)
Mr. T. ROSKELL proposed a resolution, pledging the
meeting to use its best endeavours to secure the return of
Mr. Liddell and Mr. Rorsfall.

Mr. LONGTON seconded the resolution, which was
unanimously agreed to.

Mr. G. H. -HORSFALL intimated that his brother had
written to say that he could not be here by Monday next,
but a special messenger was about being despatched for
him in order that he might be present on the day of no-
mination. He cautioned the electors against a placard
calling unon them to sign a requisition to Mr. J. Bromley-
Moore, though it was not stated where it lay for signa-
ture. He thought he was not wrong in assuming that it
lay at the office of William Rathbone, jun. (Groans.)

LIME-STREET, ST. ANNE'S, AND SCOTLAND.

ROAD WARDS.

Mr. Alderman Parker presided at a meeting held in the
Concert-hall, on Friday night, by those in Lime-street,
St. Anne's, and Scotland-road Wards, favourable to the
return of Messrs. Liddell and Horsfall.
Mr. JAMES HOLME proposed the first resolution,
which was as follows :—" That this meeting renders its
warmest thanks to Charles Turner, Esq., and Wm. Forbes
Mackenzie, Esq., for their unremitting attention to the
interests of this borough whilst in Parliament, and regret
that their connexion with Liverpool should have been
terminated on such frivolous grounds; and further, this
meeting considers that the course pursued by the govern-
ment in attempting to delay the issuing of the writ was
factious and unconstitutional, when the election com-
mittee reported specially that they saw no reason for any
delay in its issue."—He hoped Mr. Moore was not going
to desert his colours and strengthen the hands of their
opponents ; and his idea was, that a townsman of experi-
ence such as Mr. Horsfall, combined with a stranger (who
could not be at all influenced by party bias when local
matters were brought before him), such as Mr. Liddell,
were the best representatives for Liverpool. (Applause.)
Mr. THOMAS WATSON seconded the motion, which was
carriedT
The
with unanimously.lDELL then came forward, and was
most. enthusiastic cheering, followed by
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receivede Hon.
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forward even by Lord Palmer-
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A pptemporary
lause.)
By abeyance
r the
partialityof thei
into their
of his friends he had been brought this very marked
positi
whichbuton, in
noheflhuaandeed him in
reason
ptoresreenpteinntg himselfoftheto determi-
nationthe
electors of Liverpool, encouraged as hebadinbaeuenenbtiyalthoef
good opinions of the most able and the most
their fellow-citizens. t Cheers.) Allow him to say, that
with all his experience of public meetings and large
assemblages of his fellow-countrymen, he was not more
gratified than he was astonished at the order, interest, and
the jetelligence which was manifested by the citizens of