The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-04-27 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS.-FRIDAY

The Marquis of NORMANDY postponed the drainage bill
Until Tuesday next, at the suggestion of the Marquis of
Salisbury, with a view to the introduction of clauses extend-
ing the operation of the bill to Scotland. The noble marquis
also postponed the borough improvement bill, at the sugges-
tion of Lord Lyndhurst, who presented a petition from Bir-
mingham, praying to be exempted from its operation.
In reply to a question from Lord Lyndhurst, it was stated
by the Marquis of NORMANDY, that the gentleman ap-
pointed as solicitor to the home-office was distinctly
informed that it would be impossible for him to hold that
office and the office of secretary of bankrupts together. He
did, as a matter of convenience, do the duties of both for a
short time, with the option of resigning which of them he
might think proper.
Lord LYNDHURST did not wish to press the matter, but
he must say that the two offices in the hands of one person
were quite incompatible.
The Marquis of NORMANDY gave notice that, on Monday
next, he would move for leave to bring in a bill to put au end
to Sunday trading on canals.
The Earl of FALMOUTH gave notice that, on Tuesday
next, he would present a petition from Falmouth, against
the removal of the West India packets from Falmouth to
Dartmouth.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY.
The administration of justice No. 1. bill went through a
committee.
On the clause for the appointment of two new equity
judges being proposed,
Sir E. SuGOEN contended that one additional judge would
be sufficient ; and that, even if two were requisite, it would
be highly imprudent, and lead to great confusion and em-
barrassment, to commence by opening the two courts at
once. The right hon. gentleman moved that the blank in

of " two,

!tom word

4.ttoracy.

MC. LYNCH contended that two new judges were abso-
lutely indispensable.

Mr. PEMBERTON would riot oppose the proposition made
by the Government upon its own responsibility, though he
could not approve of the manner in which the bill had been
brought ,before the house. He did not think it fair to the
house to bring forward this isolated measure without inform-
ing them that it was intended to have done with respect to
the Privy Council, and other important subjects connected
very closely with the bill then under discussion.
Mr. C. BULLER looked upon this bill as the beginning of
a series of useful legal improvements. The hon. member in-
stanced several cases of extraordinary grievance arising from
the delays in the Court of Chancery, and contended that the
expenses attending the appointment of additional judges
should not be balanced against such evils as those which fol-
lowed the delays complained of.
Sir E. SUGDEN declined to divide the house, and the blank
in the clause was accordingly filled up with the word " two."
On the clause being proposed fixing the salaries of the two
additional judges at £X5,000 per annum each,
Mr. PEMBERTON moved that the salary for each judge
should be £6,000, and his amendment was supported by Sir
E. Sugden, and opposed by Lord J. Russell.
Mr. HUME, in opposing the amendment, asserted that the
services of any barrister might be purchased for a £5,000
Tinto

The salary of £5,000 was eventually agreed to without a
division.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that instead
of clause 56, a clause should be inserted respecting compen-
sation to officers of the Court of Exchequer, containing the
following proviso :—" That no person who was appointed to
his office or employment in the Court of Exchequer after the
14th day of March, 1840, shall claim or be entitled to any
compensation whatever in consequence of the said office or
employment being abolished or affected by this act." The
right hon. gentleman stated that the Hon. Mr. Scarlett had
been appointed to the office of master in the Exchequer sub-
sequent to the introduction of a bill for the abolition of the
equity side of the Exchequer on the 14th of March, 1840.
That bill was a sufficient notice to him of the intention with
respect to the Court of Exchequer, and he had no right,
therefore, to expect compensation, although the bill did not
pass during that session. The Lord Chief Baron, howeyer,
thought the Hon. Mr. Scarlett had a claim to compensation,
and as the Treasury entertained a different opinion, it was
thought better to refer the matter for the decision of the
house.

Sir W. FOLLETT contended that the introduction of the
bill alluded to would be no notice to the gentleman in ques-
tion, and that it would be a grievous hardship to give no
compensation to a gentleman of above five years' standing
in his profession, for taking him from an office to fill which
he had been compelled to give up that profession. Such a
course would be unprecedented and would be also impolitic;
for if the house gave compensation upon a uarrow principle,
the effect would be to raise up difficulties in the way of any
future legal reforms in the contemplation of the government.
He should move that the date of the 14th March, 1840, be
omitted, and that in its room, there should be inserted the
words " at the time of the passing of this act."

The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said he was an
advocate for giving liberal compensation in such cases, and
would not be a party to deal harshly by any one, but he
thought it would be very dangerous policy to lay down the
rule that, at whatever time a person might receive an ap-
pointment, even though knowing that the office was on the

eve of being abolished by parliament, he should still, if the
bill was not actually passed, be entitled to compensation to
the same extent as if he had filled the office for forty or fifty
years.

Mr. GOULnURN supported the claim to compensation.
Sir R. PEEL said that two offices were said to have been
purchased after the bill had been introduced last session.
Surely those parties must have been considered as having
purchased their offices with notice, and if they received com-
pensation, he was at a loss to nnderstand upon what principle
it could be refused to a party who was appointed by the Lord
Chief Baron in the legitimate exercise of the patronage of his
office.

Lord J. RUSSELL instanced a case where his own private
secretary was appointed to an office connected with the Board
of First Fruits, after the introduction of a bill for the aboli-

•
tion of tenths and first fruits. The bill did not pass until
the following year; but when it did pass, although compen-
sation was given to every other officer, the gentleman he had
appointed never received one farthing compensation.
Mr. PEMBERTON, in supporting the claim for compensa-
tion, intimated, that if not given, it would probably endanger
the success of the bill in another place.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he should be content with the de-
cision of the house, whatever way it might be, but he could
not assent to the doctrine laid down by the hon. and learned
gentleman, for to do so would be to transfer to the House of
Lords the power of the House of Commons to deal with mo-
ney questions. It was in effect giving up the right to an
opinion of their own, and legislating according to the opinion
of the House of Lords.

Sir E. SUGDEN said that the House of Lords last year
passed this bill, leaving it to the House of Commons to give
compensation or not, as it thought proper.
Mr. JONES supported the claim to compensation on the
ground that the Lord Chief Baron had accepted a smaller
salary in consequence of the patronage attached to the office.
Mr. C.,BULLER thought they ought not to listen to these
twopenny-halfpenny considerations when passing a great
measure of reform. They ought to act liberally, and more
particularly so because Lord Abinger offered no opposition
to this bill, which deprived him of so much of the patronage
of his office.

After some further discussion,
Major SCARLETT said, that the Hon. Mr. Scarlett had
given up two offices, those of counsel to the Mint and to the
Postoffice, in order to accept the one he now held.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested, that th..-
clause might be so altered as to give to the Treasury a dis
cretion to give a limited compensation. If this were agreed
to he would not press the clause, in its present shape, to a
division.

Sir W. FOLLETT said he would not assent to any such
prgosition. _

- The committee divided, and Sir W. Follett's amendment
was carried by a majority of 73 to 70.
Mr. HAYTER moved an amendment, giving power to the
Treasury to limit the time for which compensation should be
given according to circumstances. In the case of the Hon.
. Mr. Scarlett, he might become a peer of the realm, and as
he must in that case have given up the office, he ought not
beyond that period to receive an annual compensation.
Sir C. GREY suggested that the amendment should be at
once direct, and should state that the compensation to Mr.
Scarlett should cease on his becoming a peer.
Sir W. FOLLETT would object to leaving a discretion to
the Treasury, but would not object to the proposition that
the annual compensation should cease on Mr. Scarlett's be-
coming a peer. __ _

Mr.HA-YrEn withdrew his amendment, on the undertand-
ing that Sir Charles Grey's amendment should be adopted,
and the CHAIRMAN then reported progress.
On the motion for going into a commitee of supply,
Lord John RUSSELL, in reply to a question from Lord
MAHON, stated that he thought the most advisable course to
be pursued to carry out the resolution of the house respecting
the increase of convicts in the hulks was that of continuing
the punishment of transportation to a limited extent, and to
build penitentiaries in various parts of the country for the
confinement of those who should not be transported.
Sir R. PEEL feared, if the noble lord placed his reliance
upon either the hulks or penitentiaries as a secondary punish-
ment, instead of transportation, he would find himself de-
ceived and disappointed. The minds of the people would
revolt against perpetual imprisonment, and if even long
periods of imprisonment should occasionally be attended by
mental alienation, the noble lord would find it impossible to
carry out his system. He hoped the noble lord would not
exclude from his consideration the possibility of combining a
system of punishment in connection with expatriation.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not approve of the
lengthened imprisonments resorted to in other countries.

He thought twenty years much too long for any useful pur-
pose, but was of opinion that the power of imprisoning
might be very usefully extended from three to five years.
Mr. WAKLEY hoped the noble lord would not be in-

fluenced by anything he might hear from America, as to the
effect of long imprisonment. He believed that mental alie-
nation was a constant result, not only in America, but in
this country also.
Colonel SIBTHORP said it was past twelve o'clock, and he
hoped the noble lord would not go on with the committee of
supply at that late hour. If he did, he (Colonel Sibthorp)
would be under the necessity of detaining the house for four
or five hours upon these papers, which were filled with the'
most extraordinary jobbing from beginning to end.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not intend to take any vote
on the civil contingencies, but wished to go into the com-
mittee, to take a vote respecting Exchequer bills.
To this the gallant colonel acceded, and the sum of
£21,000,000 was voted to pay off outstanding Exchequer
bills.
The house then resumed, the other orders of the day were
disposed of, and the house adjourned.

ECCLESIASTICAL AND UNIVERSITY
INTELLIGENCE.

(From the Oxford Herald.)
PROMOTIONS.

Res;. 'John Charles Coleman, R.A. to the Perpetual
Curacy'd St. James's, near Nottingham; patron, the Rev.
J. B. Start, M.A.

Rev. Charles Hodge, Curate of St. Saviour's church, East
Retford, to be Domestic Chaplain to George Savile Fo'jambe,
Esq. of Osberton Hall, in the room of the Rev. John Clarke,
deceased.

William Martin, Esq. late Fellow and Tutor of Trinity
College, Cambridge, to be Chief Justice of New Zealand.

J. H. Kendall, to the Perpetual Curacy of St. Thomas,
Launceston, Cornwall.
Rev. James Hogan, late Curate of Tetburp, Gloucester-
shire, to the Curacy of Dungannon.

Re'v. Dr. Fletcher, Curate of Killesky, to the Rectory of
Wicklow.

Rev. M. Chamley, Rector of Wicklow, to St. Werburgh's,
Dublin.

Rev. John Waite, M. A. to the Vicarage of Tathwell, Lin-
colnshire, vacant by the cession of the Rev. John Bow-
stead ; patron, the Bishop of Lincoln.
Rev. Thomas Finch, B. A. to be the Chaplain of the
County Gaol of Northumberland.

Rev: George Gibbon, f3:X.(Ceatharine Hall, Cambridge,
to be Assistant Curate to the Rev. William Holt, Incumbent
of Holcombe, Lancashire.

COMMODORE NAPIER

(From the Leeds Intelligeneer)
Commodore Napier, it will be seen, has been feted and
feasted at Liverpool, on landing there from the Oriental
steamer ; and gratifying personal attentions have also been
paid to him at Manchester. He is a hero of the Nelsonian
school ; whcn he sees his enemy, he, to use his own phrase-
ology, " slOs at him," and John Bull loves him for his
straightforward bravery, and is ready to pat him on the
back, and to cry, "Go it again. Charley." But though the
commodore is a capital hand at either long shot or close
quarters, his speeches show that he is not the wisest or the
most discreet of men. At Liverpool he seems to have lost
sight of one obvious fact—that there were other persons in
the British fleet on the coast of Syria and Egypt besides Old
Charley. edo not perceive that he once alluded to the
commandetqn-chief, Sir R. Stopford, except as to the mat-
ter of refusing to sanction the unauthorised treaty with Me-
hemet Ali. •

It appears, however, that Commodore Napier and the old
pacha are sworn friends. The jack tar looks upon Mehemet
Ali as an Eastern miracle of wisdom : the pacha, no doubt,
knows how to tickle the commodore. It strikes us that im-
prudent revelations were made at Liverpool. We think the
commodore should not have spoken so freely of that which he
knows only by virtue of his position in the squadron ; espe-
cially at a moment when difficulties have arisen as to a final
settlement of the dispute. Mehemet Ali may suppose that
the feelings of the commodore are the feelings of England ;
he may be tempted to reopen the entire question and thus
involve Europe in a war with France. That would be a sorry
result of a complimentary dinner in the town of Liverpool.
However, it would be unjust, perhaps, to try the commo-
dore by the standard applied to other persons, and especially
to statesmen. With him, that which is uppermost comes
out first. His is a splendid instrument ; can find its way
through stone walls, and :laughs at ordinary impediments.
We thank him for his fighting ; but were he to ask our ad-
vice as to his after-dinner speeches, we should be inclined to
say—still adopting his own mode of expression—`•Avoid long
yarns ; give us as much as you like of your great guns and
grape shot, but less grape juice and chin music.

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