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IDOLATRY IN INDIA.

In answer to some questions asked by Mr. BAINES, Sir J.
C. HOBHOUSE said that, in his opinion, the time was come
when, in reference to this subject, the court of directors
should issue from this country a despatch in more positive
terms—(hear, hear)—than had been hitherto used, so as to
prevent the possibility of mistake or misrepresentation as
to what these orders were, or how they should be carried into
effect. He had pressed upon the court of directors the wis-
dom and necessity of taking such a course; and he believed,
within the last few hours, the subject had been discussed in
the court of directors; and he could assure his hon. friends,
that he would make it a point, as the responsible minister of
the crown at the India board, to use such discretion as an
act of parliament would confer on him, and that such a de-
spatch would go to India as would make it impossible for
any functionary there to mistake it. He could assure his
hon. friend, that there should be so far as depended on the
orders of the government office, no mistake as to the com-
pulsory attendance of any functionary, civil or military,
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should take care that such a despatch would be sent to India,
as the most tender conscience should be perfectly satisfied
with.
Mr. BAINES said, that the explanation given by the right
non. baronet appeared to him, in every respect, satisfactory.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the Judges' Juris-
diction Extension Bill was read a third time and passed.
TITHES (IRELAND) BILL.

Lord J. RUssELL moved the order of the day for the third
reading of the Tithes (Ireland) Bill.
il•'lr. DILLON BROWNE rose, in pursuance of notice, to
move that the Irish Tithe Bill be read that day six months.
The reason he dissented from the present measure was, that
it would either fasten tithes for ever upon the catholics of
Ireland, or create a servile war betwixt landlord and tenant.
(Hear, hear.) The latter was the more likely consequence
to ensue. And he was told that that should be an induce-
ment to accept the bill, that landlord and tenant, suffering a
mutual inconvenience, would unite for their abolition.

Mr. HUME seconded the amendment.
Lord EBRINGTON supported the measure, not because it
was as rood as he could wish, but because it was as good as
could be hoped for at present.
A long discussion ensued, in which Mr. Wald, Sir W.
Somerville, Mr. Grote, Mr. J. O'Connell, Sir R. Peel, Mr.
D. W. Harvey, Lord Stanley, Mr. O'Connell. and Lord J.
Russell. took part. In the course of Sir R. Peel's speech,
the hon. bart said he had found much difficulty in coming to
a conclusion on this head ; but on the whole, he felt that he
ought not to take the responsibility of rejecting the measure
proposed by the government.
Mr O'CONNELL said he understood the right hon. bait.
opposite (Sir R. Peel) to insinuate that this bill might be
altered elsewhere: what would be its value if altered else-
where ! He trusted, if it were so altered, the government
would abandon it. (Hear from the Irish members.) What
tranquillity could be hoped to arise from it, if the optional
principle were adopted? He thought the bill did not go far
nough, and yet he did not know how to ask for a greater

sacrifice of money • but really the government had left in it
one ingredient, which, he feared, would take away the pros-
pect of tranquillity. He referred to the by-gone arrears, and
exempting from the operation of the bill those cases in which
suits had been already instituted. Those were the cases, in
fact, which had created the greatest irritation; and he rose
chiefly to put on record his solemn opinion in that respect.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought the only way in which they
could finally settle this matter fairly, as regarded the public
purse, and effectually as regarded the peace of Ireland, was
by following the plan laid down in the bill. It was perfectly
competent for the House of Lords, if they thought fit, to re-
ject this part of the arrangement; but it was not competent
for them to alter or modify it, the House of Commons hav-
ing decided on applying a certain portion of the public mo-
ney to a particular purpose. The House of Lords would ac-
cept it in an entire state, inasmuch as it would very greatly
mitigate the evils with which tithe conflicts had tormented
Ireland. He could not expect that the people of Ireland
would refuse a bill which, while it rendered the church more
secure, would relieve the great mass from an oppressive and
vexatious burden.—(Hear, hear.)
'The house divided, when the numbers were—For the
amendment 30; against it, 1-18: majority, 118.
So the amendment was lost, and the bill was read a third
time.

Lord MORPETH brought up clauses, which were added to
the bill by way of rider.
Several verbal amendments being proposed in clause 38,
Mr. H UME moved the exclusion of this clause, as it sanctioned
the disbursement of three sums—l.:G-10,000, which had been
advanced as a loan ; £lOO,OOO, advanced for public works ;
and £260.000, which was now to be granted; amounting to
£1 000 000 sterling,.
. .

AI:VEY seconded the amendment.
The house then divided, when there appeared—For the
amendment, 39; against it, 96: majority, 57.
Some verbal amendments were then inserted; after which
the bill was passed.

MAILS ON RAILROADS BILL.

Mr. LABOCCHERE moved the third reading of this bill.
Mr. EASTHOPE objected to the measure as an invasion of
the rights of private property.
The bill was then read a third time.

Mr. IA A BOCCIIERE brought up a clause, by way of rider,
limiting the responsibility of lessees of railroads to £lOOO in
any one year; which after a few words from Mr. A. YATES,
was agreed to.

The— bill was then passed.
CUSTOMS BILL

The house went into committee on this bill ; and the
various clauses having been agreed to, the house resumed,
and the report was ordered to be received next day. The
Oaths Validity Bill was read a second time. The other orders
of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at
two o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-FRIDAY
ROYAL ASSENT.

The royal assent by commission was given to forty-four
public and private bills, with the accustomed formalities, in
the presence of the Speaker and other Members of the House
of Commons. The Lords Commissioners who officiated on
the present occasion were the Lord Chancellor, the Marquis
of Lansdowne, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
The following is the list of the hills:—The Glass Duties
Bill, Administration of Justice (New South Wales) Bill,
Qualification of Members Bill, Judges Jurisdiction Extension
Bill, Waterloo Annuities Bill, V agrants Acts Amendment
Bill, Slave Vessels Capture Bill, Slave Trade (Netherlands)
Bill, Dean Forest Encroachments Bill; Dean Forest Mines
Bill, Western Australia Act Continuance Bill, Suitors' Mo-
ney Bill, Edinburgh and Leith Agreement Bill, Grand Jury
Cess (Dublin) Bill, Oaths to Witnesses (Ireland) Bill, County
Treasurers (Ireland) Bill, Kingstown and Dublin Port and
Harbour Bill, Festiniot, Railway Bill, Eastern Counties
Railway Bill, Birmingham' and Derby Railway Bill, Far-
rington-street Improvement Bill, New Quay (Cornwall)
Harbour Bill, Fishguard Harbour (No. 2) Bill, Glasgow
Waterworks Bill, Lough Foyle Drainage Bill, PeMbroke
Ferry Bill, Blackheath Small Debts Bill, Ashby-de-la-Zouch
Small Debts Bill, Barnsley Small Debts Bill, National
Loan Fund Life Assurance Bill, Wortley Ormley, &c.,
Road Bill, Dudley Hild, &c., Road Bill, Hubback's Estate
Bill, Grey's Estate Bill, All Souls College Estate Bill,
Leigh's Estate Bill, Paddington Estates Bill, Sudbury Town
Lands Bill, Portfield Allotment Bill, Bathyany's Natural-
isation Bill, and Grohte's Naturalisation Bill.

The Lords Commissioners then quitted their seats, and the
Speaker, with the Members of the Commons, retired.
The Lord Chancellor then took his seat on the woolsack.

CONFERENCE.

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Upon the motion of the Earl of SHA FTESBURY, a message
was sent to the Commons requsting a conference on the sub-
ject of the amendment made by the Commons i❑ the Irish
Poor Relief Bill.

The managers appointed on the part of ther lordships were,
the Earl of Shaftesbury, the Earl of Liverpool, the Earl of
Charleville, 'Viscount Hawarden, the Bishop of Hereford,
Lord Hatherton, and Lord Portman.
On their lordship's return, after a short absence,
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY stated that they had left their
lordship's reasons for disagreeing with the amendment with
the managers of the conference on the part of the Commons.
At a subsequent period of the evening, Mr. BERNA E., and
other Members of the Commons, brought up a message,
stating, "that the Commons do not insist on the amendment
made in the bill to the amendments made by your lordships."
On the motion of the Marquis of LONDONDERRY, copies of
the correspondence of Sir De Lacy Evans and others, regard-
ing the claims of the Spanish Legion, were ordered to be
presented.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a bill (in consequence of the
failure of Sergeant Talfourd's measure, of which he did not
entirely approve, on the subject of "Copyrights," for facili-
tating appeals as well as for the prolongation of copyright.
It was read the first time, and ordered to be printed.
The tithes (Ireland) bill and the mails on railways bill
were brought up from the Commons. The tithes (Ireland)
bill, on motion of Lord MELBOURNE, was read the first time,
and the second reading fixed for Tuesday.
Lord LyNninitsi having inquired why the abstracts of
municipal accounts, ordered by the act, bad not been laid
before parliament,
Lord MELsourrNE answered that he would inquire i nt
the cause.

Lord BROUGHAM, in answer to the Marquis of Westmin-
ster's inquiry, said that he should press his Beer Act Amend
went Bill as far as possible this session.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, after there had been con-
siderable conversation between the Marquis of Downshire
and Lord Plunkett, regardinr, the dismission of an Irish ma-
gistrate named Corry, said that he would submit a motion on
the subject.
_ _

The Marquis of LANsnowNE laid upon the table a report
from the commissioners regarding railways in Ireland.

MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord MELBOURNE moved the third reading of the Munici-
pal Corporations (Ireland) Bill, which led to some animated
discussion.

Lord BitountiAm complained that any qualification was
introduced into the bill, as the English act had worked so
well, producing tranquillity everywhere.
The DUKE of WEI:LING7fON said that he had from the first
been for putting an end to the Irish corporations, instead of
retaining them as the means of agitation ; and that he could
not join in the panegyric on the working of the English
Corporations Act, for he believed it to have produced squab-
bling all the year round, and to have as little promoted the
security of property as the peace of social life.
The bill was read the third time and passed.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FnInAr.
Mr. HuMy. moved "that the exclusive privileges now en-
joyed by the Bank of Ireland are injurious to the best inter-
ests of that country; and it is, therefore, most expedient and
just to place, as soon as possible, the banks of Ireland on a
footing of equality."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER entered into expla-
nations regarding the joint-stock banks, the committee
thereon, &c., and declared that he should next session bring
forward the question involved in the motion, and on that
ground he trusted that it would not be pressed.
Mr. WA REunToN and other members having urged, under
the circumstances, the propriety of withdrawing the motion,
Mr. H umE yielded, and withdrew it.
After the conference with the lords on the subject of the
alterations of the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill, the lords amend-
ments were acquiesced in.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in answer to Mr.
Warburton's inquiry, said that the commissioners on Danish
claims had made a report regarding goods on shore seized,
but not a final report.
Sir STRATToRD CANNING and Sir ROBERT PEEL put
questions to Lord Palmerston regarding the circumstances
that had led to the sending of an expedition from Bombay
to Persia, "to protect British interests," hut they could
obtain no distinct answers from Lord Palmerston. On the
subject of Vera Cruz, regarding which Mr. hlackinnon in-
stituted inquiry, his lordship said that he had given notice
of the blockade as early as he was enabled to do so.
Mr. G. PALMER moved for a copy of a letter, dated the
Bth of January, 1838, addressed by the poor law commission-
ers to the assistant commissioners, with which certain pro-
posed orders for the appointment of assistant overseers were
sent.

Lord J. RUSSELL repeated his objections to producing the
document, after which _

The motion was negatived without a division.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The house afterwards resolved itself into committee of
supply, which occupied a considerable portion of the remain
der of the evening, and in which many resolutions on th
miscellaneous estimates were moved by the CHANcELi.ott
of the EXCHEQUER.

On the motion that a sum of £lO,OOO be granted, to enable
her Majesty to grant relief to the distressed refugee Poles
now in this country,
Lord SANDON said, that by the forms of the house he was
precluded from moving an amendment for an addition to this
grant; but he might and would appeal to the right hon. gen-
tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer to take the matter
into consideration. When the grant of £lO,OOO for the relief
of the Poles was first Made in 183-1, there were about 400 dis-
tressed individuals belonging to that country resident here,
and it was then stated that the sum granted was to be limited
to those who were here at the time. This was done that no
encouragement might be given to Poles to come over here
from other countries where they had sought refuge. Since
that time, however, about 200 more had accumulated here,
and if government had the wish, which he did not believe it
had, it had not the power to send them out of the country. It
was for those who were in a state of destitution, and were not
allowed to participate in the government grant, that appeals
were made from day to day to the benevolence of the pub-
lic; but with all these aids the greater portion of those '2OO
men were in a state of the most lamentable distress. What
he wished to urge on the consideration of the right hon. gen-
tleman opposite was an addition of £5,000 to the sum he
had already proposed, and even then the whole sum of
£15,000, apportioned amongst the whole 600, would afford
but a scanty pittance to each. lie regretted that this country,
which was the richest in Europe, was the lowest in the scale
of her bounty to those unfortunate Poles who sought refuge
on her shores. The scale of allowance by Prussia, Austria,
and France, was much larger than ours. Even the little
state of Berne gave £4,000 a-year to the Polish refugees in
her territory. France was the most liberal of all in the
aid she extended to the refugees in her dominions. She
allowed £lOO,OOO for their relief; but then the Poles had
greater claims o❑ France than on any other country, as
France had encouraged them in that resistance to Russia
which ended in their exile. It was pitiable to see men who
had once been in the enjoyment of every comfort and many
of them of every luxury, in their own country, now walking
about our streets in a condition bordering on starvation. As
to the extension of the grant, and its division among the
whole six hundred Poles now here, being an encouragement
to others to come over, he would observe that the allowance
to each would be so small that only those actually starving
abroad would be tempted here by it. But, to prevent any in-
flux of them from that cause, he would not object to a provi-
sion that no Pole arriving in this country should be entitled
to any part of the fund until heshould have_ been half a year
in this country. He trusted that the cause of these distressed
men would not be prejudiced by the indiscreet part which
some twenty hot-headed individuals amongst them, who had
interfered in one of the late elections, had taken. The con-
duct of those individuals was no doubt wrong; but allowance
should be made for their feelings, and probably for their
imperfect knowledge of our institutions. At all events, he
hoped that the acts of a few would not be found to prejudice
the caseof the many. In conclusion the noble bold again ap-
pealed to the government to reconsider the grant, and to
make the addition to it which he had suggested.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
however chary of the public money it was his duty to be,
might with perfect safety propose to add to the amount of as-
sistance granted by parliament to the distressed Poles, as he
was quite sure that a great majority of the community looked
with the deepest sympathy on their sufferings, and that they
would look upon such a vote as no extravagance whatever.
But it was said we should create a precedent by so doing.

Why, was this country in want of a precedent for such acts?
For more than a century there had been such precedents.
And, even were such a precedent dangerous, was the case of
Poland analogous to any other? Was not the claim of the
Poles on the free people of Great Britain much stronger than
that of any other nation under similar circumstances ? The
poet had said
" Sarmatia fell unwept, without a crime."
This, however poetically fine, was not less literally true—the
Polish patriots bad bled and suffered exile really for no crime.
Upon England, however, their claims were still stronger.
England, by the treaty of Vienna, guaranteed the freedom
of the Poles; but that treaty had been egregiously violated,
and the British government had not stepped forward to de-
mand redress. The Poles were here only because they resist-
ed that violation of a solemn treaty. The only objection that
had the appearance even of soundness was, that this grant
would operate as an inducement to others to come over. The
amount of relief afforded was, however, so small, that none
but those who were within one degree of starvation would be
tempted by it. He hoped, under these circumstances, the
right hon, gentleman would accede to the recommendation of
the noble lord.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER felt himself com-
pelled, notwithstanding his great desire to see the sufferings
of the Poles alleviated, to decline acceding to the recommen-
dation of the noble lord.