The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-08-31 00:00:00

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FRIDA I" MORNING, AUGUST 31, 1838.
The Publication of the STANDARD commenced this
morning at 5 o'clock.

FATAL EFFECTS OF SUPERSTITION AND IGNORANCE
IN IRELAND.—The LIVERPOOL STANDARD of Tuesday
last contained a hideous and revolting narrative of
cruelty and murder, committed by one of those foul
and filthy vagabonds—those base and unprincipled im-
postors—which infest and prowl through Ireland un-
der the name and mask of "monks." As.a deed of
cold-blooded atrocity, when perpetrated in Ireland, it
Is neither a novelty nor a wonder ; for, unhappily for
that wretched country, such acts of iron-handed bar-
barity, such desperate malignity of heart and pur-
pose, are of too frequent, and even ordinary occur-
rence, to require any other comment than the indig-
nant reprobation which every member of society must
utter at the fierce infraction of its laws, though, as in
the case with the sister isle, that reprobation will fall
powerless and ineffective upon the habitual defiers and
outragers of every social and moral obligation. It is,
therefore, that looking upon the murder of the inno-
cent and helpless infant by the monster Carmelite,
even horrified as we may be at the slow and lingering
process of brutality and starvation by which his end
was accomplished, still, as an isolated act of blood-
guiltiness and ferocity,committed in a land which reeks
from one end to the other with the same dark and in-
effaceable stains, it is not perhaps (politically speak-
ing) entitled to a tithe of the notice we have already
given to it.

But there is a consideration which takes this act of
murder out of the mass of similar enormities, and
places it before our eyes in a distinct and separatecha-
racter. There are reflections which, while they de-
stroy its idAntity with the system of terror and vio-
lence for centuries the only distinguishing qtialities of
our Irish fellow-subjects, give to it a hue and colour-
ing of depravity that deepens in shadow and intensity
the more they loom before the shuddering gaze.
They are these :—The act of the monk Garrick is only
a part and parcel of the system of monkish trickery
practised upon the credulity of an ignorant and be-
nighted population—it is only one of the many fatal
effects of that dark and perilous superstition in which
the wild and exciteable fancies of a mercurial nation
are enwrapped, and which has in this, as in every other
example of the kind, brought them blind and wondering
to thefeet of their spiritual tyrants, either the partici-
pators of their guilt or the victims of their perfidy. It
is true that the act is, in the words of modern times,
without parallel or precedent--that is, undiscovered
and unconvicted. It is true that the statement of a
hypocritical pretender to sanctity, trading upon the
lives and auff't-rings of deserted orphans, and earning a
criminal as well us a polluted livelihood by a phara-
saical affectation of tenderness and duty, only for the
purpose of indulging the cravings of a ruffian spirit
In its hunger after cruelty and torture, is as novel as
it is startling. It may, perhaps, seem almost conjec-
tural to many, that a wretch could be found so kith
and, kindred to " the son of perdition" as thus to set
up a busier's depository for the rejected portions of
outcast humanity, and without the avarice to make
them a barter of blood, to keep them as the morsels
of his own savage enjoyment. Ave, and it will seem
stranger far than even this, that his den of infamy
should be found in the very heart of a populous city,
and that the victims of his murderous propensity should
be voluntarily supplied by the individuals who should
most shudder at even an allusion to wanton and cause-
less atrocities.

But whatever may have been the feelings With which
the Mil icting narrative may have been perused by those
unacquainted with the moral and religious degradation
of the people of Ireland, to those who are painfully
familiar with the aspect of their spiritual debasement,
and.who bitterly know how low and helplessly they are
wallowing in the mire of ignorance, superstition, and
immoral dependency upon-the perverted knowledge of
their priests, can find in it nothing calculated either to
elicits their scepticism or surprise. Any man who has
seen the miserable and demoralising, thraldom in which
the surpliced impostors of Popery have prostrated the
the
faculties of every follower of that dark and
Prilcus creed; every one who has preceived tire work-
it of that system of jugglery and craft which has for
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nillect the hoodwinking of the reason and the judg-
°-
brle,nit' but to give libe,rty to the fancy, the prejudice,
t,le Passion; and every one who has seen how the
e
(ihirtte of revelation and inspired knowledge has been
b°lsed and sealed up from the inquiry of the great
" the people., and instead thereof, their- minds
1 'e("vith every monstrous and improbable tradition,
"erY wild and imaginative fiction—every seductive
R" Plausible theory which prepare the willing and
5 dupes for the successful imposition of any fraud
ne w
--any act of political or religious swindling ;—every
°tiho has had this experience can at once see into
he
very causes which first prompted the monster in
wlt1), an shape to his course of diabolical dece p tion, and
Chch made the unfortunate inhabitants u
od thercad
ministers to his coarse yet hellish
ex
pethdio his neigh-
ent.
Can it be for one moment supposed, that if there.
.Yti.lse i
ere „„
ie Wrid and genuine .principle of religion in
ton -ri'n"s of the people; if they had been at all accuts,
had
b`en 1° the' exercise orPrivate judgment, and if they
n eac-ly taught to adjudicate, in matters of reli-
gt°n "tvven the unauthorised assertions of- indivi-
s and the authority of holy-writ, that any vulgar
could
ildignorant impostor,Tlike the murderer Garrick,
pa er to
tend hate established himself amongst them as a pre-
sanctity and devotion, and incline them to
th""rit° his appetites of avarice and cruelty under
mae me.ancholy belief that they were ministering, to a
0,2.,, God ? We will doubtless be told, in reply, of
ill God
of th/.. maniac Thom,. and those who
uld take upon themselves the honourable task of
dapologists for the ignorance and subserviency of the
eluded Irish will say, that the instance of so many
;bn.c )ming the fanatic disciples of that raving madman,
(rdbibte reading and free judg ins country like Fmg-
. is a moie than g, a
counter-balancing example to
14t the blinded and superstitious dupes of the
blood stained monk. But here we have the infidels
oho-
r it the bin. It is to guard against this hazard of
fanaticism—it is to oppose a barrier to the
.progress of
schismatical inquiry and incipient heresy, that the
scriptures are surreptitiously withheld from the body
!of the Irish people, and only explained to them accord-
rig to the caprice or the policy of the priest. Hence
it is to be, concluded, that the acts of the unlearned
and uninitiated are traceable to the craft of their teach-
er4'and
that the vices and the delusions of the unre-
"cting and the unthinking, are to be inscribed
on the
esholds of those who prohibited them from the exer-
cise' of the orie,"and denied them the o
the indulgence of the other attribute, pportunity for
Arguing. upon these premises we come to consider

the crime of the Monk Garrick in its true and per-
chance profitable light. In the first place it is a strong
palpable evidence-of the state of moral
.and religious
prostitution in which the Catholic population of Ire-
' land is at this moment steeped. It shows how fatally,
hoW deplorably ignorant they are of those. very rea-
soning faculties which distinguish even the cautious
and wary savage; and how blind and groping they
wander on the path, both of this world and the next,
unsuspicious of the thousand perils and difficulties
which beset their unguarded footsteps. In the second
place, it exhibits the fatal facility
.which their igno-
rance and enthusiasm gives to every impostor, politi-
cal and religious, for converting them into the tools of
his avarice and guilt; and that no matter how mon-
strous the notion they are to swallow,—no matter how
repulsive to their innate sense of decency and pro-
priety, so it comes gilded to them from the laboratory
of priest-craft, and is administered, to ttem by some
subtle rogue and knave, with the cowl of a Monk and
the leer of a Jesuit, and they are ready to gape wide
at his bidding, and do their best to gulp down the
nostrum. In the third and last place it is a melan-
choly proof of the mischievous and truly perilous de-
rangement in which the frame of society must be in
Ireland. Trust the fact before you Englishmen.
Millions of people whose religious opinions are of
such a nature as we have been describing cannot be
safe and secure fellow subjects. There must be, and
there is, lurking treason, sedition, and disaffection.
There must be, and there are, the germs of anti-En-
glish, anti-protestant prejudice growing up and ma-
turing under the fostering hand of those monastic
gardiners. And above all, there must, and there will
be, some stronger and more alarming proofs .of the.
doings 'of the clerical impostors of Ireland than the
blood-stained tragedy before us.

THE UNITED STATES.—BV the packet-ship Inde-
pendence, Captain Nye, which arrived here yesterday,
we have received :Yew York Papers to the 7th instant
inclusive. We subjoin the most important extracts :
(From the New York Courier and Enquirer of August 6.)
ARRIVAL OF TFIE GREAT WESTERN.
SIXTEEN DAYS LATER FROM ENGLAND.
By the arrival of the steam-ship Great Western, Captain
James Hoskin, we are placed in possession of London and
Liverpool dates to the 20th July, and Bristol of the 21st.
The Great Western sailed from Kingsroad, Bristol Chan-
nel, at 8 o'clock, p
.m., on the evening of the 21st of July,
and arrived this morning at 8 o'clock, a.m.,—thus accom-
plishing, her third voyage from Bristol to New York in 14
days and 12 hours, notwithstanging her having experienced
more rough weather than on any former occasion. She
brings out one hundred and thirty cabin passengers, and a 101 l
cargo of freight;—among the passengers we notice the names
of Mr. Power, the-justly popular comedian; Mr. and Mrs.
Mathews, (late Madame Vestris,) and Mr. Maywood, the
manager of the Philadelphia Theatre.

BERMUDA.—The British brig Queen Victoria, arrived
yesterday from Bermuda. By a paper published there on
the 28th, we learn the arrival there of the Canadian exiles
from Quebec in H. M. ship Vestal. They are admitted on
-their parole of honour to a residence in the main island, and
will experience up interruption in their excursions to any
part of it.

THE GREAT WESTERN.
(From the New York Courier, of the 7th instant.)
This noble ship is once more in our harbour; and if there
existed any sceptics as to the entire success of the great ex-
periment to navigate the Atlantic with steam, the regularity
with which she has made her five passages to and from New
York and Bristol. cannot fail to carry conviction to their
minds that ali doubts iu relation to this great undertaking
should at once be discaided.

We have been permitted to copy from her log the following
full particulars of her last voyage; and we believe we may
with safety assert, that for four days in succession, she en-
countered rougher weather than is usual at this season of
the year. During this period of successive gales of wind, with
a heavy sea, au admirable opportunity was afforded iirf testing
her qualities as a sea boat ; and never did a vessel Live greater
satisfaction, or elicit greater admiration from thoze on board
of her than did this noble ship.
And uow that foreign capital has thus tested the great su-
periority of steam in navigating the Atlantic-, we confidently
expect that our enterprising merchants will at once make ar-
rangements to secure to our city the same superiority in steam-
ships that we have heretofore exhibited in our unequalled
sailing packets.

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NEW YORK MONEY MARKET.
MONDAY, AUGUST 6—Six P.M.—The effect of the news per
Great 'Western seems, on the whole, to have depressed the
markets. The resumption by the Southern banks depends
so much on the maintenance of the price of cotton in Eng-
land, that the slightest indication of a fall in rates there tends
to check the movements of financial men. It is true that the
stock on hand is at this time very large in England, but the
quantity of capital seeking employment is so great that a
stimulus must be given thereby to the manufacturing districts,
which will support the price of the raw material. This, in
the event that the grain crops shall turn out as abundant as
it is now hoped will be the case; but should this expectation
fail, as in 1828, when the crops proved so deficient as to turn
foreign exchange partially against England, in consequence
of the quantity of bullion required on the continent, for the
purchase of grain for that country, un contrivance on the part
of holders can bolster up the staple in the face of the new
crop, the season for which is rapidly approaching.
We have, moreover, seen private letters from individuals
of goad standing, which give but a gloomy prospect for the
cotton market, from the rivalry which is said to exist between
the great holders—for instance, if there appears a little inquiry
in the market, and the United States Bank comes forward as
a seller at a certain price, sonic other holder supplies the de-
mand at a less rate, and so vice versa this grows out of their
anxiety to dispose of the mass on hand as early as it can be
done safely. Domestic exchange remains nearly as last quo-
ted. A scarcity of Eastern funds exists in the city. At New
Orleans on the 28th, -sight checks on New York were at 51
to 61, 60 days 31 to 41. At Augusta, Ga., on the 30th, sight
checks on New York were at 6 per cent. United States
Bank notes were very scarce. The number of Michigan
banks under the General Banking Association is 42, com-
prising a capital of 3,200,000.
We understand Col. J. S. C. Wilkins, and Judge E. C.
Wilkinson, commissioners for the sale of the • Mississippi
State bonds, 15,500,000 dollars, arrived in the city yesterday.
These bonds are among the best of our state securities, and
will undoubtedly command a good sale in the market. The
average time of their redemption is 15 years. bearing an
interest of 5 per cent., upon the resumption of the state
banks, and a purifying of the currency. These securities
will be greatly in demand with the London capitalists.
The business at the Stock Exchange has been to-day rather
• limited Compared with some of the latter (lays of last week,
and prices, which opened heavy, at the close were very firm,
and in some instances at an advance on the sales of Satur-
day. Morris Canal rose 11- per cent., Paterson and Stoning-
ton 21 per cent.; in most instances a falling off from the last
sales was visible. • :United States Bank declined 1 per cent.,
Am. L. and T. 1 per cent., Kentucky per cent., Vicksburg
1 per cent., N. j.. 11. It a per cent., Utica 1 per cent.
New ORIKANS, JULY 27.—Cotton.—The transactions of
the week amount to -about. 6,000 bales, which is very large
considering the quantity for sale, which is not now estima-
ted over 2,000 or 3,000 bales, as most of the receivers are
shipping on owners' account. The prices are said to be to
per cent. over last week; but we do not change our quota-
tions. There is very little Louisiana or Mississippi in mar-
ket; what is on sale consists principally of North Alabama
and Tennessee. The exports are 701,210 bales, against
570,674 to the same period last season, making an excess of
130,447 bales. The stock now on hand and on shipboard
not cleared, is about 48,000 bales.
FREIGHTS—We find no change in rates since last week.
There are now 28 ships and barques in port, eleven of which
are loading for Liverpool, one Glasgow, three Havre, one
Marseilles, one Cowes, one Trieste, one New York, two
destination not known, and seven disengaged. Some are
asking higher rates, but shippers will not accede to their de-
mands, as the ships and barques now loading will take at
least 20,020 bales of cotton, and 2,000 hogsheads of tobacco,
besides what will be taken by smaller vessels.

CorroN.—July 28.—Louisiana and -Mississippi choice.
13c.; ditto good fair, 121 c.; fair, 11 to 11ic.; middling, 9
to 10c.; ordinary, 81 to 9c.; Tennersee and Alabama, 7
to 11c.

NEW ORLEANS, JULY 29.
From Mexico.—The American schooner Mexico, Capt.
Crosby, arrived lat 4 night from the coast of Mexico. She
was captured by the French fleet off Tuspan, sent to Sacri-
ficios, and released. She brought bock her whole cargo.
We learn from Capt. Crosby that the French are narrowly
watching every nook and corner of the Mexican-coast.

In Barrowdale, Buttermere, and other parts of Cumber-
land celebraled for the production of nuts, there is this year
an abundant promise of a plentiful crop, provided there be a
continuance of sunny weather to ripen them on the bushes.

CORRESPONDENCE.

THE REV. T. D. GREGG.

TO THE EDITOR OIL THE LIVERPOOL ST.IINDARD.
Srn,—lt is with 'egret that I learn from this week's Courier,
that the originators of a subscription, as a testimony of re-
spect to the Rev. T. D. Gregg fur his services in the late dis-
cussion with Father Maguire, have been the " Operative
Protestants of Liverpool."' I, for one, was sanguine (and I
know that many others were) in my expectations, that some
wealthier persons, who have the bulwark of our Constitution,
which is the Protestant Church of England at heart, would
have, before this, shown their appreciation of the Rev. Mr
Gregg's triumphant issue of the recent discussion with that
subtle champion and crimson-stained character of the Church
of Rome.

It is known, that when the controversialists took the field,
it was agreed upon, that the doctrines .and practices of the
rival churches were to be fully discussed and thoroughly sift-
ed; but when Father Maguire became aware, that the blas-
phemous practice of the Mother of Harlots, the confessional,
was to be brought to light, and Dons' 'Theology
thereto brought under public notice, he, with the subtlety and
serenity of the serpent, quietly, in conjunction with his chair-
man, left the controversy without giving his opponent, the
Rev. Mr. Gregg, the satisfaction, or rather without the public
satisfaction, of his being an instrument in the hands of God,
and with the sword of the Spirit, of triumphing over the scar-
let whore of Babylon.

I am told, and can rely upon the veracity of the statement,
that the Rev. Mr. Gregg is, at this' day, the object of attack
of the poor deluded peasantry of the Church of Rome, and
that the weapons they make use of are those of the stones of
the street. Mr. Gregg has written a most pathetic address to
his foes concerning this; beginning-with " Dear Enemies;"
and can the Protestants of Liverpool, who have the truth at
heart, bear of one who has triumphantly, and victoriously
placed the truth of Jesus over the damnable heresies spoken
of by the Apostle, without giving him some consolation ?
Really, Mr. Editor, this subject conveys to my mind the
case of Mary at the grave of Lazarus, weeping over her la-
mented brother, and the Jews, and Jesus himself groaning in
the spirit, and all forming, in strains which man cannot suf-
ficiently express, that sympathetic condolence which ought
to subsist among the disciples of Christ. What a lesson does
this afford to truth-loving Protestants, when hearing of a
poor brother being an object of hatred of the enemies of
Christ, and falling a victim to the furiousness of Popish rage!
I trust, Sir, that the subject of this note will be meritori-
ously looked into, and will not be suffered to pass unnoticed
by the wealthier Protestants of Liverpool.
Believe me ever yours,
A PROTESTANT AT HEART.
29th August, 1838.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL

STANDARD.

SIR,-1 here send you notes of a speech deliverd by Mr.
E. Ratcliffe, on Monday evening last, at the meeting of the
Operative Protestants, held in Hackin's-hey School Room.
Should be glad if you can spare their a place in your next
publication.—Yours, &c., A CHURCHMAN.

MEETING OF OPERATIVE PROTESTANTS.
SPEECH OF MR. E. RATCLIFFE.

At the meeting of Operative Protestants, held on Monday
evening last, in the Hackie's-hey School Room, Mr. E. Rat-
cliffe delivered the following speech :
Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, if ever there was a
time in the history of our country when Protestants were called
upon to be "up and doing," that time is the present. It can-
not be denied that Popery is progressing, and threatens, ere
long, unless checked in its progress, to overflow our native
land. She has put on the mask of charity, in order that she
may deceivethe unwary; for we have a Popish bishop id Ire-
land who writes to the Protestants of England, and calls them
"beloved fellow christians," at the very time that he is circula-
ting the atrocious, abominable, and persecuting doctrines, of
Dens in Ireland•—(Loud cheers.) And we have iu Our own
town a Popish priest, who has sworn to the decrees of the
council of Trent, which anathatnatiies you and me as here-
tics; yet goes up into the pulpit in St. Patrick's Chapel, and
says to his audience, "It is a charge -brought against our
church that we condemn to everlasting perdition, all who do
not belong to our communion. I should blush for myself and
for you, my dear friends, if such sentiments could find a place
in our hearts. No, we believe that many out of every creed,
Protestant, Methodist, and Quaker, will he saved." This
was uttered by a man who has sworn to the decrees of the
council of Trent, which anathematizes all Protestants as he-
retics.—(Cheers.) Thus Popery is deceiving the unwary,
and snaking progress through the land, building her chapels,
founding her nunneries, and establishing her schools. There
are, I believe, at the present, 18 nunneries, those dens of ini-
quity, and about 500 mass houses, those temples of idolatry
and superstition, scattered over the lands of once Protestant
England, and, unless we arouse ourselves, and raise one uni-
versal cry of "no popery"—loud cheers)—from east to west,
and from north to south, popery will regain the ascendancy,
England will again become the slave of Rome, and the idola-
trous mummeries ofthe papacy, will be substitute for the beau-
tiful, scriptural, and soul-cheering services of our church.—
(Cheers, and loud cries of never, never.) She will never be
satisfied with any thing less than the ascendancy, at that she
is aiming, and towards that, I am sorry to say, she is advan-
cing in Ireland. There has been, within the last three mouths,
52 Roman Catholics appointed to places of trust in that un-
fortunate country, through the influence of O'Connell and his
tail.—(Laughter and cheers) But popery finds the Church of
England a barrier in her way; for the Church of England has
been, and may she long continue to be, the bulwark of Pro-
testautism.—(Cheers. ) In order, therefore, that she may gain
the ascendancy, she will endeavour to sap the foundation of
the church.—(Hear, hear.) I know they will not avow this
at present, but, indeed, there are some who are beginning to
speak out on this subject. I have before me an extract of a
letter written by Dr. M'Hale, a Popish bishop, to the Bishop
of Exeter, which proves my assertion. In speaking of the 10
suppressed Bishopricks in Ireland, lie says, "It is some con-
solation. to reflect that the legislative axe is laid to the root
of the establishment. The pruners of the ecclesiastical vine-
yard hove not read the Roman history in vain, and already,
ten of the lofty plants which poisoned by their narcotic inflU-
ence, the wholesome vegetation are laid low. This, doubtless,
is a prelude to a further and more enlarged process of expur-
gation. With every successive measure of Reform, existing
abuses will be removed until it is to be hoped not a vestige
of the mighty nuisance wilt remain." New this is speaking
out. He calls the Church of England a" mighty nuisance,"
and hopes, that ere long "not a vestige of it will remain."
Now this is rather a curious document.—(Laughter.) He
calls the Railicals "the pruners untie ecclesiastical vineyard,"
and he speaks of " the legislative axe laid to the root of it."
Now, I think, that it would be rather a novel way of pruning
a tree, to take an axe and strike at the roots of it.—(Laughter.)
Ile speaks also of "reform" and " a process of expurgation."
Now these papists are very fond of purgatory, and I have no
doubt whatever that Dr. M'Hale would he very glad if the
Church of Englund was there undergoing a "proof of ex-
purgation." (Loud laughter and applause ) And I verily
believe, that if the Church. of England was to be in purge-
tary to-morrow, neither Dr. M`Hale, nor Father Maguire,
nor any other popish bishop or priest would come forward to
say a single mass to get her out. (Continued laughter and
cheers.) Again, he calls the Church of England " a mighty
nuisance." Yes, Popery found the Church of England a
" mighty" bulwark against her inuovations, and, therefore,
she is considered a " mighty nuisance," and long may she
continue to he a mighty nuisance in the estimation of every
papist and every revolutionist. (Loud cheers.) But I tell
Dr. M`Hate that it is not the Church of England that is the
" mighty nuisance," but the Church of Rome. The Church
'of England is a mighty blessing, carrying the waters of life
to every corner of our land. -edifying by her heavenly doc-
trines every spiritual worship far within her happy enclosure,
directing the heavy laden sinner to cast his exclusive depend-
puce for salvation on the sacrifice of Calvary, and cheering
the weary pilgrim with the prospect of a glorious immortality
beyond the tomb. (Loud cheers.) But the Church of
Rome is the " mighty nuisance," keeping her deluded
votaries in darkness and superstition, and unless merciful
Heaven interferes, she will lead them down to the regions of
eternal death—(hear, hear)—yes, I repeat, the Church of
Rome is the " mighty nuisance," and I tell you what else
she is. I tell you in an acrostic what she is. She is the

Prolific source of every woe!
Of all the numerous ills that flow:
Produced by sin, and nurs'd by hell;
Enthroned within thy bosom ,dwell
Revenge; and fire and sword attract
You, mark thy footsteps to their end !
(Cheers.)
Yes, the Church of Rome is the mighty nuisance, for upon
her forehead is written, "Mystery, Babylon the great, the
mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth." (Tre-
mendous entering.) And ere long, " not a vestige of this
mighty will remain," for the vengeance of Heaven shall fall
upon her, and the cry shall go forth through the length and
breadth of the universe, " Babylon the great is fallen, is
,Callen!" (Loud cheers.) But this may not be yet. The
Lord may for our lukewarmness and unfaithfulness suffer
popery to become predominate in this land. But some may
say, we see no danger, no cause for alarm; and if it should
be the case, it will not come in our day, therefore we have no
reason to be concerned. But, oh! should we not endeavour
to preserve inviolate the blessings handed down to us by our
forefathers, and cemented with their blood—blessings gained
for us by the death of a Ridley and a Latimer, a Cranmer
and a Hooper, and transmit them unimpaired to our children,
for where is the christian parent that can bear the thought,
that perhaps at some future time, when he is gathered unto
his fathers, the children whom he loves as 'his own life, may
be initiated to bow down before a crucifix, to attend at the
idolatrous sacrifice of the mass, or be subjected to the ordeal
of the dark confessional. (Loud cheers.) Our duty to our
children demands that we should exert ourselves. So does
our duty to our country, the land of our nativity—the land
that we love—for popery, wherever it conies, brings national
calamities in its train. And our duty to our God demands
it, for popery dishonours God, by stripping the Saviour of
his glory. (Cheers.) And we have a duty to perform to
our poor deluded Roman Catholic countrymen. We should
do all in our power to bring them out of the darkness of
popery into the light of God's eternal. truth—fur they are a
benighted and priest ridden people. Look at the Roman
Catholics of Ireland, a more enslaved and priest-ridden
people are not to be found on the face of the earth. This I
can prove front the testimony of the Rev. I. W. Dixon, for-
merly a Roman Catholic priest, in an impoverished parish
in the County Mayo. I have here a list of dues exacted by
the priest of the parish alluded to, published by Mr. Dixon,
which with the chairman's leave, I will read to the meeting
They are as follows:

£. s. d.
Chargo- of 2s. 6d. on each house yearly: gross total
of families, 800 100 0 0
Collection of corn worth Is. 3d. from each house 5O 0 0
Collection on Christmas-day and Easter-day, by a
rule in the parish, 6d. each time from each house 40 0 0
Collection from young people in the parish, making
an average of two in each family, at 6d. each, at
Christmas
Do. do. at Easter 4O 0 .0

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150 baptisms, at 3s. 4d. each 25 0 0
40 marriages, at £1 Bs. 2d. each 56 6 8
Legacies on deaths, average 40, at lOs. each, inclu-
ding the price of a mass to remove the soul from.
purgatory. 2O 0 0
Charge for anointing, ls. ld. each time—average,
200 times ..
Private masses for private intentions, price varying 15 0 0
Making offices for sick cattle, at ls. Id. each—ave-
rage number, 150 8 2 G

Total £405 5 10
£lOO paid out of this to the Bishop, fur holy oil and other
expenses of the parish, leaving a balance of more than
£301) as the emolument to the priest.
(The reading of the above caused considerable langhter.)—
The speaker continued :—When I first read this, did not
exactly understand the meaning of these " offices for sick
cattle." I thought that the priest must be a farrier, or cow.
doctor, (loud laughter,) and that this item of £8 2s. 61 must
be the amount of charges • upon the parishioners for attend-
ance and medicine for their sick cattle. (Continued laugh-
ter and ('beers.) But I Kecollected having read in the Pro..
*testant Penny Magazine—edited by that man of God, the
11ev. Edward Nangle, who was Mr. Gregg's chairman in
the late discussion—something about cattle hearing mass,
(laughter,).and I will now lead it to the meeting. Here it
is: the article is headed "Cattle hearing Mass," and is as
follows :—" It was a tine Sabbath morning in summer, when
all nature seemed to unite with the sacredness of the season
in inviting God's intelligent creatures to holy and joyful
meditation, that M— heard the noise of some cattle passing
at the end of his house. He at first supposed that it might
be his own cows, 'which he, had driven out to graze in the
mountains, returning to seek refuge under the friendly roof
from the oppressive heat of the sun, and the annoyance of
the flies. On going to the door, however, he discovered the
son of one of his neighbours driving several cattle before him,

[ Where are you going with the cattle at this hour of the
! day?' said M—. lam driving them,' said the boy, with
that careless gravity with which a common-place question is
usually answered, am driving them to mass.' (Laughter.)
To mass!' exclaimed Yes,' continued the boy,
without taking notice of the surprise which his extraordinary
announcement had excited, 'to mass; the priest is waiting
yonder for them.' Fne little buy pursued his way; the cows
were assembled, and the priest said mass for them." (Laugh-
ter.) Mr. Nangle continues—" We pledge our veracity for
the authenticity of this story. Indeed, the circumstance to
which it relates is one of common occurrence, and by no
means limited to the mountainous and secluded district
which was the scene of the particular transaction described
above." " They offer masses," writes the Rev. Mr. Nolan,
in his second pamphlet, " for the prosperity of houses, lands,
cattle, and various other appendages of property." Oh!
does not all this prove my assertion, that the Roman Catho-
lics of Ireland are a degraded and priest-ridden people?
We should pity them—we should pray for them—and be-
seech them, with earnest affection, to flee out of Babylon.
(Loud cheers.) And let us do all in our power to resist the
tide of Popery in our own land, and, if possible, to drive it
back to Rome, its native place; and let not "the Bishop of
Rome ever have any jurisdiction in this realm of England."
(Loud cheers.) But it may be asked, " What can we du ?"
I will tell you one thing that I think we ought to do, and
that is, to form an Operative Protestant Association in this
town. (Loud cheers.) I have thrown out the hint, and I
hope it will be acted upon. I shall now, at this late hour of
the evening, conclude, and, like Father Maguire when he
was beaten by Mr. Gregg. gather up my books and run
away. (Loud laughter, and long-continued cheering.)

WESLEYAN ASSOCIATION.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STAND.JRD.

Stu,—l shall feel much obliged by occupying a space in
the columns of your next number. The subject is as follows—
At the Annual Assembly of the Wesleyan Association, held
at Rochdale, in the beginning of this month, a communica-
tion having been sent from Liverpool to the President, rela-
tive to Messrs. David Rowland and John Peters, these two
gentlemen were there put on their trial, and the Christian
Advocate, after giving a very seriously incorrect report of the
"communications" from Liverpool, to the public; and having
positively refused to cot rect them, the favour now solicited is
that you will be so obliging as to supply its lack of courtesy,
candour and correctness, by inserting the .following commu-
nications.
August 30th, 1838.

(Copy.)
9, Pernbroke•place, Liverpool, 3rd August, 1838
SIR,—As chairman of the June' quarterly .meeting, it be-
comes my duty to apprise you that Messrs. Peters and Row-
land, who, I understand, arc now at Rochdale, representing
themselves to be delegates from the Liverpool circuit to the
Annual Assembly, were not chosen by the June quarterly
meeting, or by any other authorised meeting. This lam quite
prepared to prove. The following are the facts of the case:—
Nearly from the commencement of the Association our official
persons have manifested a disposition to keep the whole un-
controlled management of the church in their own hands,
while the private members have been desirous that our first
principles should be fully carried out—" the right of the
members of the church to manage its own affairs." Some
little time since, by a simultaneous effort, we managed to.
open the quarterly meeting to every member, this meeting to
manage all our affairs, and every other meeting to he subject
to it. 'When this meeting was thus open, instead of being in-
undated by the private members—partly on account of the
very inconvenient hour at which it was held—the difficulty
was, to have a sufficient number of them present to counter-
act the voice of the officials, who were opposed to every
liberal measure; thus the regular channel for discussion
soon became shut up, by their moving and carrying resolu-
tions to stop us, terming what we had to say in that meeting
" frivolous and vexatious;" then we saw plainly that our
rights and privileges were gone, unless we could get the
private members into the quarterly meeting to maintain
their rights; for this purpose, and for this purpose only, we
attempted to form a little discussion society, (I now enclose
you one of the cards which we had for that occasion ;*) but,
this meeting was interrupted by the officials saying, " V 4 by
such a meeting, when the regular channel is open—the
quarterly meeting?" At this last June quarterly meeting,
there was some very important business to be brought for-
ward; the officials were about to alter the constitution of the
quarterly meeting, and to cram down something they call
rules " for our people." We were aware of alt this, and
were preparing to meet them in the "regular channel" by
endeavouring to bring the private members forward, to main-
tain and obtain all their rightful privileges, and we thought it
a very favourable circumstance that the appointed quarterly
meeting fell on the coronation day ; and, the more effectually
to remind our people of it, these litte papers were printed for
distribution among the members, viz.:—

" Liverpool Wesleyan Association.—All the brethren are
particularly requested to attend the quarterly meeting, to be
held in the Committee-room, at the Music-hall, on Thursday,
28th June, 1838, (the coronation day,) commencing at one
o'clock, on special business."

And it would appear that they gave an alarm to the other
party, fur they were taken to the leaders' meeting, and there,
we understand, read and discussed, and the result was, the
postponement of the quarterly meeting, for no other purpose
but to keep the private members out of that meeting. And
this opinion is confirmed by the very time they hadchosen
for this postponed meeting to be held, viz. the very time fixed,
according to the preachers' printed plan, for our monthly
missionary prayer meeting, when the missionary collectors,
in all from 60 to 70 of our own members, meet to pay In the
monthly subscriptions, consequently they could not attend
the quarterly meeting, and I am prepared to prove that this
was not an oversight but a design, for that day or evening
two months they had fixed for another illegally adjourned
meeting to alter the constitution of the quarterly meeting.
I then wrote to the chairman, Mr. Peters, reminding him of
the circumstance, and wishing him to get their adjourned
meeting put off till the following evening, but it was not done.
Now when we were informed that the leaders' meeting had
postponed the quarterly meeting, we saw at once their design,
and the injustice and cruelty of it, that the members should
have had such a favourable opportunity snatched out of their
hands, for we conceived that ten to one might attend that
day, it being a general holyday; and we were not singular iu
these- views, for other parties had embraced that day as a
favourable opportunity for special business, even at our own
place of worship the Music Hall, Mr. Bowes and his brethren
fixed that day to meet on very special business relative to '
their church. But to decide the legality of that postpone-
ment we referred to their own law, and found that they have
n-8 control over, and no more right to postpone the quarterly
meeting, than they have to postpone the meeting of parlia-
ment, or the Annual Assembly. •
They should have called a special meeting for that pur-
pose, (see in the " spurious" page 11 and 12, and section 13,)
therefore by their own law, that postponement was illegal,
consequently the regularly appointed quarterly meeting
would remain legal, and that meeting was duly held, and of
course all the business done in that meeting is legal—and
agreeably to a required notice I duly transmitted the names
of our delegates then chosen, to Mr. Molineux of Rochdale,
a copy of which letter now enclose you.
(Com)
•
" 9, Pembroke-place, Liverpool,
9th July, 1838.
"DEAR Stn,—l perceive by a notice given in the Magazine,
that it devolves on myself to transmit to you the names of the
brethren who are appointed our representatives to the annual
assembly. Our quarterly meeting was held on the 28th ult.,
when the following brethren were unanimously elected :
Mr. Chester, preacher, Mr. James Picton, and Mr. Richard
Farrer. You will please excuse me for not giving the re-
quired information earlier, as the notice in the Magazine
had escaped my observation until yesterday. Beg also to
say, that Mr. Chester was also elected to be our superin-
teudant preacher for the ensuing year, and it is most earnestly
wished that that appointment may be confirmed by the Annual
Assembly. lam glad to have it to say, that our meeting was
most harmonious, the most important business of which was,
the passing and adopting a code of rules for our circuit, a
few of which will be sent to the Annual Assembly, as one of
theit must be put into the bands of each preacher who may
be put down for the Liverpool circuit.—l am, sir, yours
respectfully, " WM. HOSKIN G.
"To Mr. Molineux, Wesleyan Association
Minister, Rochdale."
I am aware that the veracity of that communication has been
questioned; but if required, I am ready to come to the Annual
Assembly to give any farther explanation. After this com-
munication, should Messrs. Peters and Rowland be reported
as our delegates, we shall consider ourselves quite at liberty
publicly to contradict it. Relative to Messrs.' Chester and
Picton, I personally had their consent to go as our delegates
it elected; but if by any means they should not attend, of
course Messrs. P. and R. are not authorised to take their
places, and as to permission or indulgence, that is altogether
out of the question. Mr. Peters, as a reformer, is not known
in Liverpool; and as to Mr. D. Rowland, while he may be
considered a complete hero of a reformer abroad, at home he
is considered a complete anything else. And of all men, whe-
ther in the circuit or out, they would be the last whom we,
as reforming Methodists, would either choose or permit to
represent our interests.
I enclose you a placard, "Notice and Caution" to our
members, viz.,

" WESLEYAN METHODIST ASSOCIATION.

the " N
societyoi cE.eldnatybahtatvhee
tihueliens forhy
IreT NOTICE.—The
printed, membersad thatare i theyft:r
applying at No. 9, Pembroke-place, on showing their society
tickets; these rules were passed and•adopted atthe REGULAR
quarterly meeting, held on the 28th June, 1838.
"CAUTION.—'!'he members are now warned that all rules
are spurious. excepting those bearing the above date, printed
by J. Perry & Co.; a number of fictitious rules having been
got up and printed by a party of individuals, which have
never received the sanction of any authorised meeting, and
these have been put into the hands of the leaders to be im-
posed on the members, instead of the genuine rules.
" N.B. The members may have any explanatory informa-
tion by applying at 9, Pembroke-place.
" Liverpool, 21st July, 1838."
Thus we have been obliged to carry out our enactments. If
1 am wrong as au individual active in these proceedings, it
may be asked, why do not the officers expel me at once?
Why, they have been trying to do it at their quarterly meet-
ing and leaders' meeting; and on last Monday they had a
special circuit meeting on my case, but to no purpose, for
they dared neither expel me nor suspend me, neither have I
had a single official censure. Is not this a confirmation that
what was done at the quarterly meeting held on the 28th of
June was legal, even in the eves•of the officials themselves?
—I am, honoured Sir, your obedient servant,
WM. 1-10SKI14G.
To the President of the Wesleyan
Association, Rochdale.

The members of the Association may perceive that the above
prolix communication maybe brought into a very small com-
pass.—Prove to me that the " Leaders meeting" hod no right to
postpone the " Quarterly meeting", and tou prove to me that
Messrs. Rowland and Peters are to be regarded as impostors
at. the annual 'assembly, and with such proof, whatever may
have been the decision of others, or whatever may have been
the instruction of others to the Christian Advocate, in Liver-
pool, they are still regarded as such.

N.B.—Agreeably to a former notice, the members may have
the rules of ihe society, and any further information or expla•
nation on the subject, by applying at 9, Pembroke.place.
WM. HOSKIN (.;-
Chairman of the June Quarterly Meeting.

LIVERPOOL WESLEYAN ASSOCIATION.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' DISCUSSION SOCIETY.
" Resolved,—That the basis of a plan for a reformation of
existing abuses in Methodism, shall be the principle of the
right of interference—on the part of the members of the
Church—in the regulation of alt its airairs."—Beport of the
Provisional Meeting of Delegates in 1835.
" Tell it unto the Church."—St. Matthew, xviii. 17.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' ADMISSION TICKET.

THE POLICE FORCE

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STAND.IRD.

SlR,—The following sketch may perhaps be instructive to
the heads of our police force, particularly when they are in-
formed that such scenes in this and other neighbourhoods are
by no means or rare occurrence, and which perhaps might
be obviated by the presence of a policeman constantly on
duty, aided by the activity which might naturally be ex-
pected from them on acting promptly on information ten-
dered by spectators or individuals located in the neighbour.
hood.

On Tuesday morning last, a young man of respectable
exterior, but of a swarthy complexion, apparently a steward
of one of the American pockets, was making the best of his
way along Tithebarn-street, which has been no thoroughfare
for a long time in consequence of the slow movement attend.
ant on the making of the main sewer, that at the present

moment there is a bare passage for foot passengers at the end
of 'Bachelor' or as it might with great propriety be called
`Pig-street,' at the corner of which street there is always an
horde of disorderlies of both sexes. The person alluded to in
attempting to pass this notorious corner was assailed with
very gross language by several individuals standing there,
one of whom eventually marched up to him and inflicted
several savage blows in the young man's face before he could
get away. The individual whO perpetrated this outrage was
an ill-looking Irishman of the lowest description, no offence
whatever was given by, the wayfaring man, if I may use the
word, unless it was the fact of his being a fOreigner and of a
somewhat darker tinge than himself. The corporate serv-
ants, the sewer excavators, who witnessed the outrage, aided
and abetted their countryman, (as many as were Irish) by
language most scandalous. Two respectable housekeepers
who witnessed with astonishment the whole transaction, were
threatened with similar treatment if they did not move off.
This took place a little before nine o'clock in the morning,
within a stone's throw from the police station, and when the
policeman 'made his appearance, all was quiet, and the same
quietness would have ensued hail the man been mortally
wounded. And when the circumstances were detailed to the
policeman, he turned a deaf ear to it. The police imagine
that their line of duty is confined entirely to matters in which
they are witnesses.
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Yours, respectfully.
AN ENGLISHMAN