The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-11-01 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL COURIER,

alf 1.11.• • • •••
SIR,—Although very unwilling to come before the public
at this time, I feel constrained to notice a paragraph in the
Standard of to-day, to the effect that the Rev. Josh. Bardsley
preached always controversially in St. Michael's pulpit.
Nothing can be more untrue. His sermons were argumenta-
tive, which might have been expected from the character of
his mind, but they were also exceedingly practical. He did
in one sermon allude to the subject of baptism. but in that
sermon he a, d .6 fh.t-e,-Ae
most learned men had conscientiously held different
opinions. and that it would ill become him to dogmatise on
such a question." He preached another sermon, showing
the advantages of forms of prayer for public woreip, and the
comprehensive and edifying character of our own,beautiful
Liturgy. But in this sermon, no more than in any of his
others, did' he treat MS. subject controversially.. And this
will be easily understood by all who know the kind and
charitable feelings entertained by Mr. Bardsley towards our
dissenting brethren, a feeling I wish we could see more of in
those who so unjustly complain of Mr. Bardsley. I have con-
versed with several of St. Michael's congregation on the sub-
ject of this unfair attack,. and they all concur in the correct-
ness of my view of the matter. HENRY CARPENTER..

Oct. 25th, 1853.
P.S.—I may add that out of ten sermons' preached by. Mr.
Bardaley in St. MichaePS, seven were on practical subjects, in
which no allusion was made to points of controversy unhappily
existing between two parties in the church.

TO THE EDITOR' OF THE LIVERPOOL COURIER

Sra,—We ask for a small space in your paper, to give a
general denial to the accuracy of a statement which appears
in the Liverpool Standard of to-day, in reference to what took
place at St. Michael's Church on Sunday last. We shall be
prepared, at the proper time, to enter into a detailed account,
and to furnish proofs..exposing the misrepresentations of this
anonymous writer. Meantime, we hope the public-will not
be led by any such, statements as these, to lose sight of the
great question at issue,—it is whether Tractarianism shall be
forced upon a congregation against their will. The struggle
may be arduous, but we believe the congregation of St.
Michael's, and the•inhabitants of the district, are resolved to
stand by and support the Protestant principles in which they
have been educated,We remain, Sir, yours respectfully,
T. W. CooKSON, l Churchwardens of
WILLIAKCHRISTIAN, J St. Michael.

Oct. 25th, 1852.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL TIMES.
SlR,—Permit me, through the medium of your valuable
paper, to reply to the letter from the churchwardens of St.
Michael's Church, which appeared in the Liverpool Courier
of yesterday, in which they state that they will be able "to
furnish proofs exposing the misrepresentations of the
anonymous writer," which appeared in the Standard of
Tuesday last. I would ask them first, did not Mr.. Carpenter
propose that Mr. Morrall should retire from the chaplaincy
of the church ;• he, the latter gentleman, allowing Mr. Car-
penter a sum out of his stipend for a curate?. And again, I
would ask them if they did not issue placards announcing an
afternoon service, in accordance with the act of parliament;
and an evening service, to be taken by Mr. Carpenter, as-
sisted by the. Rev. Mr. Bardsley. without Mir. blorrall's con-
currence? They cannot deny this ; if they do, we must ap-
peal to the bishop of the diocese, who decided, not many
months since, that Mr. Carpenter could not exclude Mr. Mor-
rail from taking part in any service held at that church. The
proposition spoken of as having been' ade by Mr. Carpenter
to separate services was this—that Mr. Carpenter should take
the morning service, Mr. Morrall the afternoon, and Mr.
Bardsley the evening. This, of course, Mr. Morrall imme
diately declined, and reversed the OW so far as regards the
morning service; that he, Mr. Morrall, should take the
morning service, and Mr. Carpenter the afternoon. Mr.
Carpenter replied that the committee of the schools would
not consent to this; so the matter remained, Mr. Bardsley
doing duty for Mr. Carpenter in the afternoon, and occa-
sionally in the mornin&. Mr. Pughe has been called in by
Mr. Morrall to assist him, and A has been at the request of
some members of the congregation that he has been going
through a course of sermons on the Church Liturgy. Mr.
Carpenter has not only done all in his power to divide the
congregation, but he has actually instituted an additional
sacrament on the first Sunday in the month (thereby making
, two Sundays in the month to celebrate this divine ordinance),

that his own followers might be suited, and kept entirely
separate. Mr. Morrall's party has never shown any distinc-
tion towards Mr. Carpenter or his services, although un-
christian and ungentlemanly language has invariably been
poured forth from the pulpit by, that gentleman; such
epithets as Romanists, semi-Romantsts, Tractarians, double-
faced Churchmen, &c., have been frequently used. Yet, in
the face of all this, Mr. Morrall's followers have made no
difference, and have borne with this abuse, remembering that,
by making a distinction in the church, it would be not only
showing a disrespect to the man, but to God.
Before I draw to a close, I have only to add that I wish it to
be publicly known that the churchwardens are men after Mr.
Carpenter's own heart, one being appointed by him, and the
other by the Corporation, upon his recommendation.-1 am,
Sir, your obedient servant, J. HARRISON JACKSON.

October 27, 1853
TO THE EDITORS OF THE LIVERPOOL •MERCURI
GENTLEMEN,—We shall be obliged to you if you will allow
us to notice some few statements in the Liverpool Times of
to-day, relative to the unhappy state of things in St. Michael's
Church. For the present. we shall abstain from entering
into full particulars. The editor says that in our letter to the
Courier we did not "express regret at the scandalous scene
of last Sunday;" and alluding to the same occurrence else-
where, he speaks of "creating a disturbance in a public
place of worship."
It is impossible for a large number of persons to retire from
any building without some noise ; but we assert that there
was much less noise than could have been anticipated. The
Standard's account is, as might be expected, incorrect in
that as in other points. In proof of this we appeal to the
Albion, the writer in which was an eye-witness of what oc-
curred, and is, we understand, a gentleman connected with
the press who is not a member of St. Michael's Church. His
words are—" The congregation, as quietly as possible, left
the church." If we omitted to say that it was a painful oc
currence, it is not that -" *l—
it to be so. With suc
have been taken excel -
Would men, some o_
families, men of the most respectable character, in different
stations of life, have adopted such a course lightly and without
cause ? It is not likely ; it was after other means had been
ineffectually tried that this course was at last resorted to.
And the objections of the people were not, as erroneously
stated, to a particular view of baptism, about which the best
of men may differ,. but because the doctrines generally taught
are not, in the opinion of the congregation, of a protestant
character.
Those who could afford to pay for pews could certainly have
gone elsewhere; but what are the poor to do, for whom more
than 600 comfortable sittings are provided at the public
expense in St. Michael's, and who are so ill provided with
accommodation in other churches? As to the interference of
magistrates and police, it seems to us somewhat inconsistent
with the principles of the Liverpool Times to suggest this
mode of preventing persons from peacefully leaving a church
after the prayers are ended, and before the sermon begins.
Does the writer propose to lock the doors and keep ALL in, or
to exact an engagement from every one entering, the ministers
as well as the people, to remain to hear the sermon? Gentle.
ig there a law in England to authorise

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