The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOI. STANDARD, TUESDAY, TUNE 7, 1853.

I have seen him in the room. I have seen Mr. Shaw,
but T can't say that I have seen Mr. Thomas Fleming,
Mr. Jones, Mr. S. Jones, Mr. Henry Bremner, nor Mr.
Copeland. I don't believe I did go to the committee-
rooms to make my returns that day. I went to visit the
members at the hotel in consequence of having been sent
for. There are a few voters in the neighbourhood of Gill-
street Market, perhaps five or six. I had not any con-
versation at any time with Mr. Forbes Mackenzie about
employment at the Custom-house, at least, not before the
election. I had after the election. I applied for a situa-
tion in the Custom-house. I had not a conversation with
any person before the election about a situation in the
Custom-house. I swear that I had no conversation with
any one. I did not see Mr. Forbes Mackenzie personally
when I made application to him for a situation in the
Custom-house. I have been examined in Liverpool be-
fore on this matter. I had no conversation with Mr.
Mill—none whatever, on the subject. I recollect meeting
that gentleman along with Mr. May and others : Mr.
May and some gentlemen did speak to me about it. They
spoke to me so late as last week. I told them, last Sa-
turday, that I would not satisfy them. Mr. May spoke to
me on several occasions about the matter of a situation. I
dare say I may have mentioned to Mr. May, beforethe elec-
tion, that I would like to get into the Customs. Ido
not know Mr. Oliver Hatch at all. I have not seen any
one at the Roscoe Head pay any money. I only saw
money given once during the election, but for what I
know not. I was applied to once for money, but said I
could not give it.
Cross-examined : I am a tradesman of Liverpool. The
letter produced is the one I sent to Messrs. Turner and
Mackenzie : I received uo answer to it. I sent it some
months after the election. I saw Mr. Mackenzie at the
Adelphi in consequence of a message. I went into the
large room where the candidates were. I did not see Mr.
Mackenzie again till the day of the election—at all events
to speak to. As to the ward committee, it was a standing
committee, which had existed for a long time before.

By the CHAIRMAN : I had no connexion with it before,
and had never been in the habit of going there.

By Mr. SMITH : I can't say that I have assisted in the
municipal elections, except at the one in November last.
The same committee were acting so far as I knew. I be-
lieve the committee existing before the general election
was the same as the one which was employed for Turner
and Mackenzie. I saw several gentlemen writing in the
committee-rooms. I don't know whether Mr. Payne
was chairman. I can't tell who were upon the com-
mittee and who were not. There were a great many
chairs around the table. I know they went there who
took an interest in the election. I think Mr. Weston
was there.

By Mr. BODKIN : I cannot say that there were placards
posted on the outside of the committee-room : there
might have been. On the day of the election flags were
hung out of the windows of the committee-room.
By the CHAIRMAN : The Adelphi is in Rodney-street
ward. There is a large number of voters of the poorer
sort in this district—at least in the part of it which I
canvassed. Most of the voters there were, T believe,
householders. Of the electors the most of them voted
for Mackenzie and Turner.

George Ward examined -; I am a woolbroker in Liver-
pool. I interested myself on the Conservative side at the
last election. I was a member of the committee. Messrs.
Culshaw, May, and Musker, were members. I don't re.
collect Musker acting as a member. Mr. M. Edward
Williams (Mr. Lloyd's partner) was an active member of
the committee. I believe Swetenham was on the commit-
tee, and I saw him there. He was in constant attendance
at the Swan committee. I could hardly know the man
if I saw him now. Mr. Jonas Gleave was the secretary.,
and George Gleave was clerk.
By Mr. MAcativAir: But did not Swetenham, as Geo.
Gleave was often drunk, do his duties, when he was inca-
pable never saw either the one or the other drunk.
I remember the name of Swetenham very well, but would
not know him now.

Swetenham was here called into the room, and witness,
in answer to Mr. MAcAmy, said, he recognised him as
the same man he had seen in the committee room habi-
tually. I can't say that I have seen him at a small table
or not, but I have seen him writing. I have seen him re-
ceive the returns of the canvassers in the room. I have
declined to make any statement to the parties conducting
the case for the petitioners. I never was called upon to
give it. He was not, to my knowledge, the person who
communicated from the ward committee board to the
central committee. Ido not know that the committee
at the Swan held communication with the central com-
mittee. I had nothing to do with the communication to
the central committee. I took very little notice of what
took place. It is not to my memory that there were con-
stant communicrtions betwixt the one committee and the
other. I had nothing to do with that department.