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possession of

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position with n
than he was p
hear.) He• be
on account o

avocation

; lie was or opinion that private conveni-
ence ought to be disregarded, and that no obstacle ought to
be thrown in!the way of the public service. He should take an
early opportw yof stating his views more fully on the im-
portant que' • n.pp,gary to be brought forward, for upon

would be

the whole he thou
vernment time of
their plans
certain pal
progress for th

that on the constitution of a new go-
to be afforded for properly maturing
He beared leave to move for
ne execution of the works in
of parliament.

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- The SPEAKE
Lord J,
not likely to d
bon. baronet w•i

ut the question,
and said, that certainly he was
from what had been stated by the right
gard to Dr. Reid's administration re-
ig and ventilating of the new houses of
and laughter.) In Dr. Reid he had
nd, with respect to the vote for the ex-
pense of the apparatus, he imagined that the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would take care that it was not too much.
He (Lord John Russell) would give his support to the vote
on the estimates, and he should deem it his duty to-morrow
to state his views of the present state of public affairs, as he
did not think it would be a convenient course to do so now ;
he should therefore reserve himself until the house went into
committee of ways and means in the ordinary course. He
had heard with some regret that Her Majesty's ministers
were not to propose any measure of importance during the
present session; so at least he understood was to be implied
from the right hon. baronet's speech. (Hear.) Considering

specting the wai
parliament. (H
perfect confidenc

the length of tin
the last parliam E
the country, he

had elapsed since the dissolution of
nsidering likewise the present state of
' opinion that the new government
_ .

ought immediat
meant to stand

iose those measures by-which they
as he understood the right hon.

gentleman intended after, getting the supplies to adjourn the
house, and not to meet again until the ordinary time at the
beginning of the year. Personal convenience ought to be
kept out of the question in such emergencies, but, as he had
intimated, he would not now enter into any details, as it was
not his wish to adopt any step likely so embarrass the course
of Her Majesty's government. (Hear.)

The motion for the papers was, then agreed to.
After a few observations from Mr. GLADSTONE

Dr. BowsuNG postponed his motion relating to the imports
and exports of the country to a future day.
On the motion of Sir T. FREMANTLE, an address was
ordered to be presented to her Majesty..praying that she
would be pleased to direct that there be laid before the house
a return of the amount of expenses incurred in alterations
and improvements in the Regent's Park.

The hoes

t six o'clock until Friday

HOUSE OF COMMONS—FRIDAY.
)ing into a committee of supply,
pursuant to the notice he had given,
iews of the state of the country, and
i. Peel had announced his inten-
tto public business. Respect-
)t necessary that he should say
Ice, and the state of separation
ime existed between this country and
in end, and he hoped that the good
ring would be preserved. Our rela-
States presented an aspect in some
The two governments concurred
Ise of Mr. M`Leod was an affair for
but the government of the state of
!rent view of the case, and if it should
would certainly destroy the amicable
two countries. As, however, the
ter concurred with those of the British
. pot but think that the congress and
it of the United States would see that it was
impossible that a case of war between the two countries
should be allowed to arise out of this transaction. He must
say, in justice to the right hon. baronet, that he had seen
the appoin

On the motio
Lord J. Rim

tion of adopting with respec
ing foreign affairs, it was nc

n Ireland with great satisfaction, and he
i that the right hon. baronet was resolved
the conciliatory opinion he had expressed.
icter of the noble lord appointed to the
at country seemed to guarantee that the
would be placed in that position in which
to rest satisfied—that of perfect equality
if England. He would only add a hope
intention of bringing forward the Regis-
rd Stanley, which he viewed as a virtual
;e to Ireland given by the Act of Union.
matters upon which he differed from the
t. It was understood that parliament
nether so very early after the elections
pon the consideration of many important
all that had taken place, he must say that
ed when the corn-laws should be taken
.on of the house. He could not see why
right hon. baronet to office was to super-
If the adoption of any measures whatever

to catty into (
Indeed, the

govern men

people of Irel:
alone they ou
with the peol.

tration B

repeal of the pled,
He now came to
right hon. bacons
had been called

subjects, a
the time 1

into the
the wee
sede the

rliament. The right hon. baronet
acted the last fortnight, but the
mt excuse rested could not apply to
Prom the construction of the present
vat reason to believe that there was
g any considerable alteration in the
d this from the fact that the Duke of
at in the cabinet, while Sir George
ressed an opinion in favour of a fixed
:ss, was excluded from the cabinet.
1.1 fact, a selection of those gentlemen
)t prohibition, and exclusion of those
a greater freedom of trade in corn.
r such circumstances, that the country
1 to wait in expectation of a new law
estricted trade in corn ? They might mean
veraaes, which would be only to make the
stringent. They might also mean to re-
; Lite sliding scale some four or five shillings, which
would be to render the law somewhat less stringent, the
result of which would be to leave matters pretty much as
they now stand. The noble lord then proceeded to argue for
the neces6ity of an alteration of the corn-laws, which would
not only increase the revenue, but which would also, by
holding forth the prospects of commerce to all foreign na-
tions, tend largely to secure the peace of the world. He
deeply regretted, therefore, being obliged to conclude that
the government was resolved to reject the measures proposed
by the late government. He knew they would be supported
by the majority of the house in that rejection, and it was
not his intention, therefore, to propose any question which
would lead to a division in order to take the sense of the
on the course nronosed by the right hon. baronet, but
)f the house he felt it necessary to
responsible to any extent what-

as an indiv
state that

ever tor

)t sought to commence his
f a party character, but the
y to invite any discussion of
:o him for the opportunity he
observations upon the sub-
concurred in the desire to
with France, and also still
•essed by the noble lord for
i who now wielded the des-
ur the assas,in. tie believed

)vernmi

LIC lla ..... • ,•• ••- - -
;ood understanding %r.ith France was
;ered by the change of government
place iu this country, and he also
le understanding between France and
conduce to the peace of Europe.
Al afford to rest under the laurels
1, convinced that their so doing must
ogress of civilisation and to the web•
leers.) With respect to the United
e viewed our relations with that

but be could not help hoping

that the prevailing good sense of the community would have
its influence upon the government of the state of New York•
It was his desire that such might be the result; but at the

had proposed to pursue. He wished Chat-thenoble lord bad
taken the sense of the house upon the reasonableness of the
demand which be had ►wade upon its confidence. Ile should
then have asked if it was reasonable that, on his return to
office after an absence from power of ten years' duration, he
should be called upon within one month to declare as to
whether there ought to be au alteration in the corn-laws—
(hear, hear.) He would ask if it was not reasonable that an
interval should be allowed him to consult with his colleagues
upon a measure of such importance? If he were not to be
allowed a short period for this purpose, what was to be
thought of a• government which held office for five years,
and which never, until May 1841, intimated on the part of
that government an united opinion upon this important sub-
ject ? (Cheers.) If that government was so fully convinced
that these laws were at the root of a great portion of the
distress of the people, what must have been its neglect of
duty in having so long delayed a remedy for the evil. (Hear,
hear.) When he was prepared with his measure he would
state to the house at once the course he meant to pursue.
He would not propose measures to be carried here and re-
jected there—(loud cheering), but measures upon the success
of which he would be prepared to stake the existence of the
government. (Loud cheering.) With respect to finance, he
had again to regret that the noble lord had not taken the
opinion of the house. In what position he would ask did he
inherit the government of the country? In 1837 there was
a deficiency in the revenue to the extent of £1,428,000 ; in
1838, there was a deficit of £430,000; in 1840, there was a
deficiency of £1,457,000; and in 1811 there was a deficiency
of £l,Bsl,ooo—thus making an accumulative deficit of
£5,166,000. For the year 1842 it was estimated that there
would be a deficiency of £2,soo,ooo—making a total deficit
of £7,666,000 when he came to the administration of the fi-
nances of the country, and yet when only one month in office
he was called upon at once to bring forward measures to
remedy the evil. (Cheers.) If the late Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had by his budget realised his fullest expectations he
must still have proposed a vote of credit partaking in charac-
ter of that which his right hou. friend (Mr. Goulburn) would
have shortly to bring forward. The late government had cal-
culated on a revenue during the present year of £600,000
arising from the alteration of the timber duties, whereas it
was clear from the communications of Lord Sydenham that
during the present year not one shilling could be derived from
that source. (Cheers.) The right hon. baronet then pro-
ceeded to argue that little or no revenue could be derived
from the reduction of 12s of the differential duties on sugar ;
and subsequently referring to the growing expenses of our
colonies, and the great expenses of the war in China, asked,
if in the midst of such accumulated difficulties it was unrea-
sonable for the house to give him some little time to endea-
vour to meet them? (Hear, hear.) Was it not reasonable
before bringing forward any measure of finance to wait tntil

they saw what might take place in America? (Hear, hear.)
He would say no more on that head, but would turn
to Ireland, where it was said that his advent to
power was to be the signal for hoisting the standard of
ascendancy, and yet not one month had passed away
of his administration, when the noble lord had ad-
mitted that that that difficulty he had at least got over—
(cheers)—and that he had given a guarantee to the people of
Ireland that they would be governed impartially. (Cheers.)
He would take care, as far as in him lay, that the law should
be administered with firmness and partiality, and he hoped
with vigour; and, at all events, he would take care not to
allow the administration of Irish affairs to be influenced by
the hope of gaining support in the House of Commons.
(Cheers.) He had made engagements to render impartial
justice to Ireland, and so far as depended upon himself those
engagements should be fulfilled. , (Cheers.) The appoint-
likent of Lord De Grey as Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and
Sir E. Sugden as Lord Chancellor of Ireland, was some
proof of the course intended to be pursued. Sir E. Sugden
having a pension as a retired chancellor for a very short
tenure of office, felt the country had a claim upon his ser-
vices, and had therefore consented to resume his duties ; but
if he had been prevented by any circumstances from doing
so, he (Sir R. Peel) would have selected a chancellor from
the Irish bar, which stood as high as auy bar in the world.
(Cheers) His only object in accepting the harassing duties
of his situation was the hope of being of service to his coun-
try, and in the measure he should propose no considerations
of political support should compel him to become the servile
instrument to carry the opinions of other people into effect.
(Hear, hear.) Power was only valuable to any honourable
mind, because of the opportunity it afforded of being ser-
viceable to the country, and when he found that power was
denied him in the way accordant with his own feelings and
opinions, he would reserve to himself the power of retiring
from office when he could no longer discharge its duties to his
own satisfaction. (Loud cheering.)
Lord PALMERSTON was of opinion that the reasons for
the delay proposed by the right hon. baronet would not be
held satisfactory by the country at large. He contended
that the foreign relations of the country were handed over to
the present government in the most flourishing condition,
and such as to command respect as powerfully as in auy
period of our history. The noble lord then entered into a
defence of the propositions of the late government, and con-
demned the postponement, until January, of any intimation
of the measures of that now in existence, asserting that, as
far as regarded the corn laws, every possible information was
already before the house.
Mr.. Vimazus spoke of the great distress prevailing in the
country, and thought it hard that the right hon. baronet
should refuse any measure of relief for a period of many
months. With respect to the corn laws, as they refused to
discuss the measure in that house, h- believed the questioa
would be decided by agitation out of doors.
Mr. BROTHERTON pursued the same course of argument
as Mr. Villiers and Mr. Ward ; referring to his promise to
give the government a fair trial, he regretted that Sir R.
Peel had given him no opportunity whatever of judging of
his measures.

Mr. COBDEN said that the course pursued by the govern-
ment appeared to be this—" we have a majority of 90 but we
have no argument." This was a bad example—they should
not thus teach the people the doctrine of appealing to nu-
merical force. Vast numbers of the members of the minis-
terial side of the house were returned by bribery, and were
therefore profoundly ignorant of the state of public opinion.
The hon. member then dwelt on the distress of the people,
and:attributed the evil altogether tothe corn laws.

Lord SANDON said that-prudence, if not decency, ought
to have imposed silence upon hon. gentlemen on the opposite
side of the house upon the subject of bribery. They should
remember that their walls were built of glass, and strongly
contrasted with the purity of elections of members on the
ministerial side, as was evinced by Bridport, Shrewsbury,
and Nottingham.

Mr. HAWES said the late elections had been carried by
the most gross and infamous bribery, but said that he was
free from the charge, as he had never incurred one shilling
of expense that he would be ashamed to name.

Mi. LYTTON contended that an alteration of the corn
laws would be productive of much injury to Ireland.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD thought the interests of Ireland would
be promoted very considerably by an alteration of the corn
laws.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL had but little hope that the go-
vernment of Ireland, whatever might be the intentions of the
noble secretary for that country, would give ultimate satis-
faction.

Mr. HARDY attributed the distress in the manufacturing
districts to over production.
Mr. HINDLEY denied that over production was the cause
—the real cause was the paucity of food.
Mr. MILNES thought the question of the corn laws to be
far too complicated to be dealt with hastily with any advan-
tage to the country. _ _

Mr. FIELDEN moved, and Dr. BOWRING seconded, a
motion to the effect, that it was the duty of the house not to
vote any supplies until an inquiry should be instituted into the
state of the distress o f the operative population throughout
the country.

The house divided, and Mr. FIELDEN'S motion was lost
by a majority of 149 to 41.
The house then went into committee of supply, and Sir
R. PEEL proposed that Mr. Greene should be appointed to
the office of chairman of committees of ways and means, to
which was to be added the duty of taking the chair on gene-
ral committees, if such should be the pleasure of the house.
Mr. GREENE took the chair, and returned thanks for his
appointment.
One vote in supply was then taken, after which the house
resumed, the chairman reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again on Monday.

At about ten o'clock, Mr. Hill, miller, of Thurndale,
made his usual call for orders, when he found Mrs. Robin-
son cheerfully pursuing her avocations, and apparently in
perfect health, wishing him good morning when he took his
departure. On the return of the servants, however, to din-
ner at noon, a scene the most horrifyint presented itself—
they discovered their mistress lying upon her face on the
floor, surrounded by. a pool of blood. After they had in
some degree recovered from their alarm, they raised the body
and discovered her head nearly severed from the trunk, and
in a rigid state. The kitchen, on the floor of which the
deed of darkness was committed, appeared to be in confu-
sion, the drawers, &c., had been broken open and ransacked,
the murderers leaving traces of .their guilt on_ the various
articles of furniture which they had touched during their
pilfer. The police at Whitby having obtained all the infor-
mation in their power, commenced a pursuit after two sus-
picious characters (Irish reapers), who had been seen near
the house during the morning, and succeeded in capturing
them near the village of Lyth. They are still in custody,
awaiting the result of the coroner's inquest. The miscreants
decamped with £32 in gold. The deceased was 61 years of
age.