The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1854-05-02 00:00:00

s:airs b Auction

irVELLENT FURNITURE, NORTON-STREET.
al4,t, crIONOrROTTER is instructed to SELL by
Rant n, TO-MORROW (Wednesday), the 3rd In-
Nu.: at Eleven o'clock precisely, on the Premises, 19, Nor-
Tiret,
hand.„ Genteel and Useful HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE,
other
French Timepiece, Framed Prints, Gas Chandelier,
tchibirr Effects of a Gentleman declining Housekeeping.,
balniacing a capital Half-tester Bedstead, Upholstered in
brirne French and Camp Ditto, Pa.lliasses,
.Mattresses,
Cha„vonse Feather Beds, with a ppropri.ate Bedding, Painted Stoae
or
aus Chests of Drawers, Toilet Tables and Basin
,-lllainey and Dressing Glasses, Kidderminstey,
repent'
Parlour, and Stair Carpets, Mahogany Articles in
Dod and well-made Chairs. Cnests of Drawers, Loo. Pembroke, and Snap Tables, Bookcase, with Glazed
ta„Ne-sized Chiffonier, Sofa, Fenders, and Fire-irons,
itag'tchn.ltequisites, Bzc.
Scint 'viewed prior to Sale, and descriptive Catalogues
'4C lue Premises, or from the AUCTIONEER, 5, College-
•••••._

TO INNKEEPERS AND OTHERS.
‘3ll Pitt„ev By THOMAS TRAVERSE,
nest, the sth instant, on the Premises, the Royal
vriTtel, in Prescot, at Ten n,clnrk in the Forenoon.
414,14 the Genteel HOUSEHOLD FURNI-
briIRE andNe Bed-rooms, Commercial Rooms Par-
gilitechars, Taps; the Stock in Trade. Horses:Cats.
'ffeet ua aPel, Harness, Bowls, Bhgatelle Board, and all the
for
working' the said Hotel.

blr ORDER OF THE EXECUTORS.
The 0-MOR ROW (WEDNESDAY).
reraLoing and most valuable pa. t of the HOUSEHOLD
Ad tag, 6.it URE, Drawing-room Suite
-li of. rich Rosewood. Coer,t-
lano-forte, Shower-bath, Fourght Gas Chandeli
°tiler Effects,
To .xi By Mr. GRICE,
(Wednesday), the 3rd instant, at Eleven o'clock
In. on the Premises, 17, St. Anne-street, a few doors
lelington
"'tole' of the modern and 'valuable FURNI-
(pi
-- IliItE•
SFAVOOD FURNITURE includes a Set of sunerh
;tie r Couch, Easy and Swing Chair, Cabinet, with Marble
alai Plate Glass Back, a superb Werk Table, costly Table
'handsome Chimney Glass, 50 inches by 40 inches, a
4reeCentre Table of rich Wood, Ottomaes, Fenders, Fire-irons,
rte.tne Carpets, China Vases, &e.
l'Alteotra and Dteisro-irooms are furnished with Two
.seat, modern Mahogany Chairs, massive Sofa with Hair
and
,w,° Cabinets, made to order, a handsome Pedestal Side
4oe t'.-1-
so a Bookcase, Two Easy' Chairs, One in Hair-cloth
Te -..ither a capital Dining Table. with Two extra Leaves,
0 .
oroComerate-sized Chimney Glasses, handsome Carpets,
Service Fenders and Fire-irons, a Set of China, also a Dinner
hottleet handsome Crest and Pickle Stands, with Cut-glass
4'ph el, Tea Trays Knives and Forks. Ornaments, &c.
14 -8 n-ROoMs'contain lofty Fonr-post, Tudor, and French
laiteada, several prime Feather Beds, a Wardrobe, Maho-
b KM Painted Chamber Articles.
Effects, Dresser, Culinary Utensils, and other Household
!lite ,!Ptive Catalogues may b had from Mr. GRICE, 40,
and on the Premisee s.
be 0,
-151x1t or THE TRUSTEES AND EXECUTORS OF THE LATE
vAtt , JOHN WEBB, ESQ.
b ABLE FIRST-CLASS SHOP PROPERTY, SITUATE
1)0(7^, NELAGH-STREE T AND WHITECIIAPEL, LIVER-
114AND LARGE AND SUBSTANTIAL MODERN
~DENCES SUITABLE FOR FAMILIES OF THE
I.lv "'ES4•POOL T RESPECTABILITY, AT EDGE-HILL, NEAR
ratan 13y Messrs. WALKER and ACKERLEY,
o'et AY (Tuesday), the 2nd instant, punctually at Two
4011--. In the Afternoon, at the Clarendon-rooms, South
eta 'street, in the following or such other Lot or Lots as
tlkLbe agreed on at the time of sale, subject to such con-
vxti of sale as will be then produced
t ALL that excellent Freehold SHOP and
to ep~`the PR.PMISES, with WAREHOUSE at the back,
occu-pation of Messrs. Watson Peck and Sons, as
OveL4tnereof, situate on the south side of Ranelagh-street,
41iltrol, and numbered 14, bounded on the east by premises
bea occupation of Mr. Syers, and on the west by other pre•
ack the occupation of Messrs. Peck and Sons, and at the
re lei"- south end by
nt Lawtonestreet. The above Premises
reeh,.,,°l an annual re of .e2ll. And also all these Two
gdetiastW 4'l DWELLING-HOUSES', situate on the north-east
Lawton-street, in
.Liver.ponl, bounded. on the north-
beck "HY side by premises in the occupation of Messrs.
'%ouv. and bons, and partly by a common passage, on the
theast yatos siforesaid, being at the angle of
e eliedustreet, and on the. no. rth-west by a dwelling-house in
11,h,, Mien of Mr. William Collister, and now occupied
Lees k`'mas Caddick and Henry Ingham. And also all that
e.oold DWELLING-HOUSE. situate on the north-east
4Ori o°„' Lawton street aforesaid, bounded on the north-east
met "no-west aides severally by n common passage. and on 14013th-east by a house inibeeccupation of Mr. Wm. Col-
temr, aforesaid, and is now in the occup tion of James Mar-
tel, tenant thereof, and which is held f r the residue of a
kerkc'in 75 years, from the Corporation of Liverpool, corn-
Lea. ott 2nd Sla 1828. The two Freehold Houses and the
ts "held Produce an annual rent nf .e 45 4s. Bd. in the aggre-
giere itte whole of this Lot contains, by a recent almeasure-
-1.01 39 and 2-9ths square yards.
1.111n.2,,e-All that excellent Leasehold MESSUAGE, DWEL-
,-.IIOUSF, and SHOP, situate and being on the south-
ocet, "Je of Whitechapel, Liverpool, and numbered 78, in the
her on of Messrs. John, and Thomas Johnson, as tenants
the Cirl bounded on the east by a house in the occupation of
the
AlLesars. Johnson, and on the west and. south sides
pT, oy, premises belonging to Mr. 'Lewis Heyman.
comae enaises are held for the residue of a term of 75 years,
Dorirnclog on the Intl 'July, 1827, and granted h the Cor-
, Lot °,,0 of Liverpool, and are let at an annual rent of
.11,103,.—All that capital Freehold MESSUAGE and DWP.L-
-') the HOUSE, with Coach-house and Stable annexed, lately
ot, oecupation of John Webb, Fag., (deceased,) situate and
011 tt 110. 11, North•view. Edge-hill, near Liverpool, bounded
lio„.e east in part by Towerlands-street, and
.in partly...a
hlleerind premises now in the occupatio
;lisTriensre(l'nre.
taia„n West by lot 4, and on
ithesotitb)4yo .
t. 4 are valued at arrannua rent of .
1-14,5.—A1l that eacellent Freehold, MESSUAGE o r DWFdE..Le-
Ain '-HOUSE, situate and being I%
.North-view, . -
t", and now in the occupation of Mrs. Wainwright, as yearly
ollant thereof, hounded on the east by lot 3, on the west by a
meson
and premises mow in the occupation of Mr. Shrapnell,
Ithe south bye portion of lot 3. The above Premises
1:t at an annual rent of ..e7O.
dui
,t 5.—A1l that capital Freehold MESSUAGE or DWEL-
`.-HOUSE, situate and being, No: 37, Irvine street, Edge-
I,N,Osar Liverpool aforesaid, now in the occupation of J. C.
.1)L _X, Esq., as yearly tenant thereof, bounded on the west
7\l„,""xe,, and premises now in the occupation of Mr. Nl`Con-
-1111;the east by Edge-hill Church, and-ow the north by lot,
trx,str,lllove Premises are let at an Annual rent of .e 42.
laCu.h>lll that capital Leasehold MESSUAGE or DWEL-
of 4,, 45-;',USE, situate and being on the south. side of Edge-
s,a4ol,', Liverpool, and 'No. 6, and now in the occupation
Johnson, as .yearly tenant.thereof, bounded o
D..4rry' a house and premises now in the occupation of Mr.
ei'"oe'„°.o the west by a house and premises now in the occu-
sets, Mrs Billinge, and on tbe south by a common pas-
ipe above Premises are let at an annual rent of .£6O.
eth„%oure is fordsaol under the Commissioners of West
mllltre'Oaste Lands,. . term of 60 years from the 25th of
ete p 4830, subject to an annual ground rent of 10s. 2d.
euuts remises contain 299 2-9ths square yards, or there-
let
that Plot of LAND, situate on the south side of
rrds:fle• near Liverpool aforesaid, containing 6421 square
toe ,e or thereabouts, together with a Stable and Coach-
ttOts t,ftected on part thereof. Tne Tenure is Leasehold
erre 4.e_Commissioners of West Derby Waste Lands, for a
th °0 Years from the 25th of March, 1830. It is bounded
0 41 ae east by Back Towerlands-strea, on the west by a
otb„and Dremises now in the occuation of Mrs. Fewster,
fd th by premises in the occupation of Messrs. John
4'51. latTl Jones, and is subject to an annual ground rent
• The Land has an excellent frontage to Edge-lane,
, f.vrell ad .pted foe building purposes. A.ommen pas-
-I.oi our feet wide is to be left on the south side.
those Two Freehold TENEMENTS and DWEL-
xm'sr OUSES. situate on the south side of Thomas-street,
peipool, and which are -respectively numbered 30 and 32,
in the occupation o- f Francis Cappleman and Edward
...1111,;kk, as tenants thereof, bounded on the east by a ilwel-
i'losvose in the possession of Hannan, on the west by
at (Iwellinelicuse in the possession of Mr. Peter Stubbs,
jsetiorlhe back or south by a ship bread baker in the occu-
ebtos,lX Messrs. Sprmilie Phillips, and Company. The
e_rreinises contain 08 square yards, or thereaboats, and
Neotltther for .411 12s. per annum. The Land is well
t
e„to for warehouse or other extensive property.
lite.b.„ All those Two PEWS:situete in latelyryC. urch,
ette, I,p, numbered 33 and :3. No 33 occupied by
°ebb (deceased), and No. 13 now in the occupation of
,tal• iregaon. The Pew N0.•73 is let at .06.6 6s. per annum.
A'S .4 estimated at an annual-rent of .el 2 128. These Pre-
e4 "113iect to a perpetual ground rent of .41 128.6 d. in
ItottoregAte.
I,'"-A SHARE in ST. JUDE'S CHURCH.
, e;e--All those Two SHARES of the late John Webb,
th he.," JAMES'S CEME FEES.
~..,"Pective Tenants of the Houses and Shops will show
A,l ''ear,„llies • and further information may be obtained on
to' Mr. EDMUND WARD, Solicitor, Prescot ; the
A ttreh eera, Messrs. WALKER and ACKERLEY, No-. 53;
Nate, -Sreet, Liverpool ; Messrs. LEWIS and Moor:rsev,
elt,'• Itants, 3, Lord-street ; and to Mr. ALFRED C. KENT,
ll'as-Wefeling-street, Liverpool, Solicitor to the Executors,
Liana of the several Lots.
AaD
0F THE DEVISEES IN TaUsa• ctr THE LATE MR.
I'l
11A8 JONES.
0a17,11,,LE LEASEHOLD BUSINESS PREMISES, IN
~ty.1.71>:-ROAD, AND DWELLING-HOUSES, IN A UD-
'IIIiLItEET AND WELL-BUILT FREEHOLD DWEL-
-4t irk7,4407,18a. HOPS &c IN STANGLIFFE-STREET
.CLOUGHS-STREfiT. *LOW-H ILL, LIVERPOOL.
A skin By Messrs. CHURTON.
ttem Aor next, the sth instant, at Two o'clock in the
,n, at Mr. Martin's, the Union Hotel, Clayton-
n 'the tfollowing or such other Lots as may be deter-
bpen at the time of sale, subject to conditions,
lee 1. LEASEHOLD.
A,l4l4.those Two very excellent and 43paclous
to,-,400 .BHOPS, admirably situated on the north side of
;‘,ly -);nad, and at the corner of Audley-stret, with the
tlere-DectWIyEI,LING- HOUSES thereto belonging, in the
old' 0. of Mr J Jones g
re rocer, and Mr.
ItLE ••GRili't6o,,getlVwith 'Time other' cently -erected Broome,
41. 40E8 adjoining the above. situated in Audle.y.
4111;11118 Lo.atirnbered respectively 5,9, and 11,
Nllhe h
~a Leasehold under tae Corporation of Liverpeel,
toi for the residue of a term of 75 years, commencing
0f " day of August,)B4B. It has a frontage to London-
-32 feet 2 inches, and to Audley-street of 91 feet.
teLot 'FREEHOLD.
iellAVll„lhoceSeven substantially-erected MESSUAGES,
VS, 'NG-11008ES, .watt the Provision Shop, Ale
theeti:o4 other Appurtenances thereto belonging, in the
holdings of Evan Jones, provision-dealer, red.
13 et 1,01.,`11,O!e fronting Fairclouglestreet and Stanc
`"Resh"-ulll, numbered respectively 1,3, 5,7, 9, 11, and
lob el* With COTTAGE, in the Court at the rear of
tedlers and 3 A
(4%rti.":AbtlY further particulars may be had at the Offices of
iNsoN and DUKE, Solicitors, 7, Church-alley,
er flexors. CHUBTQN, the Auctioneers.
140
th.rttleee , By Mr. THOMAS WYLIE,
Aft V, the 16th instant, at the hour of One o'clock in
tijerpool"ori. at the Clarendoh-rooms, South John-street,
, subject to the conditions of sale to be then and
roduced.
14(1 A
1.41,,,,,E55UAGE No. 18, Albion-street,
ttehr-streettifLiverpool,l3 per
aninnutmh;occupation of
qt,,nofdlain, at the Corporation
„ th 'death tWO liveesr,enaged 52 and 54 years, and 21 years
tOrT2 of the survivor.
goothISSUAGE STABLE, and PREMISES, situete
-)lre'''„,,Xttle of Walt; n-road, Kirkdale, in the occupation
lie"„ Yesi..'obs, at the rent of .€lB 45. per annum ; Leasehold
s'' except the last day thereof ; subject to a ground
11 or fa •
ther •
A4Les.atrtFpE eetarti.eulars apply to Mr. TnotTENIVEYRBLoIns,
and
Solicitors, 2°,lha°prentrieleet!srs.
ht ftlasc'TlVß FIRES IN LONDON.—At two o'clock on
,Itteirtthinilig a fire broke out in one of the arches of
41:I aß—""ern Railway in College-street, Bermondsey,
L h el'ed stal'llng coach:house &c. The fire was not
til'ett; Ikhollblettil.,six. 'valuable horses' had been burned to
Nt,teet, the same hour a lodging-house, in Colches-
-1:- tac. rind
h eehapel, in the occupation of William
s.;
eer-shop
rewer than keeper, was burned down, There
()Iwho -an 4persons sleeping in the place, se-
,' %ticked Whom
threw emselves out of the window, and
se-
opt h05.....t1P insensible and bleeding, and were taken
t th Pital• The r •
11,814 e remains of seven persons were dug
et 4 it Coe "rea4fully burnt and mangled.
P to "RYB being out one evening in a dense fog,
a buildi
; ng that they thus described :—The first
th7,"use.” " No said the second, " a
'4' exclaimed, F. You're both wrong ; it's

(ADVERTISEMENT.]
MR. NATHANIEL CAINE AND THE WORKING
MEN'S BRANCH OF THE BRITISH REFORMA-
TION SOCIETY ;

OR,
"THE POLITICAL PARSONS" AT THE BAR OF
MODERN "CHARITY."

TO THE EDITOR OP THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

SIR,—A controversy that savours of personality
kJ must always be disagreeable to a rightly-constituted
mind. Mr. Caine, conscious that he has "no care," has
set himself with all his powers to "abuse the opposite
counsel," and, therefore, the greater part of his letter
contained in the Liverpool Standard of the 22nd instant
is a tissue of low personalities directed against myself—per-
sonalities which have not the least connexion with the ques-
tion at issue, and of such a character that they would only be
admitted into the columns of the press in the form of an
advertisement—a fact all the more marked from the circum-
stance that, if something was not very far wrong with the
document itself, the Mercury, at least, would have gladly
opened its pages to what was fully intended as a heavy blow
at " the political parsons." The more lo its credit, however.
ii refused ; and now, as an example of how the innocent
suffer with the guilty, I suppose I can only expect my reply,
to appear in the same form. I might, therefore, have safely
left the matter to take its course, and have paid no further
att^ntion to it.

Two considerations, however, have induced me to reply.
The first is to remove unj ist misrepresentations that have
been very i idustriously circulated ; and the second is that,
if Mr. Caine will insist upon being a public man in Liverpool,
and, as the leader of a party, is determined to acquire in-
fluence which he employs to injure the character and useful-
ness of ministers of the gospel, it is right that those he
aspires to lead should at least have the opportunity of under-
standing the spirit by which he is animated, and the measure
of confidence that is to be placed in the truthfulness of his
representations.
In regard to the first, it will be enough for me simply to
state the facts out of which this correspondence arose. The
public are, no doubt, aware that there exists in this country
a society called "The British Reformation Society,'' under the
patronage of the Earl of Shaftesbury and others, having its
centre in London, with its ramifications extending through-
out the provinces. One of these branches exists in Liverpool,
called "The Working Men's Branch of the British Reforma-
tion Society." As its name implies, it is mainly composed of
working men. Its object, like that of the parent society, is
to extend the principles of the Reformation. This is done by
the circulation of tracts, by private conversation, and by
viva voce discussion at public meetings, attended, as I have
been informed, in some instances, by 400 or 509 perions,
principally members of the Church of Rome. Thus, with the
Bible in their hands, they endeavour, as God gives them op-
portunity, to expound, maintain, arid propagate the glorious
principles revealed by Christ and his apostles, and revived
by the Reformers and martyrs. fn the month of November
last a tea-meeting was held in Beau-street, in connexion with
the branch, and in consequence of the speeches made then
and there, Mr. Caine felt constrained to deliver his oration
in the Concert-hall, in which he attacked, in the most
violent manner, the ministers who took part in the meeting
at Beau-street. These, in turn, replied at the meeting helu
in Hope-halt, on the 17th April, and this reply drew forth
his letter of the 22nd inst.

Before entering upon the contents of the letter, it is of the
utmost importance to be fully satisfied as to the character of
the speeches delivered on these occasions, and the spirit in
which the proceedings were conducted. The following are
the terms in which they were described by Mr. Caine in his
speech at the annual meeting of the Working Men's Sunday
Services':—

"On looking over the report of their proceedings, all we
can 'tee is a long, weary tirade against the Church of Rome.
So, to advance the cause of Christianity, we have Protestant
ministers—messengers of peace and good-will—appealing to
the prejudices and inflaming the passions of ignoring and
violent men. Protestants appeal to the people 1 A platform
of parsons pitching into Rfrperg I And is this all our boasted
Protestantism can do?—excite envy, hatred, malice, and all
uncharitableness ?—promote rancour among neighbourt?—
provoke party feuds and street fights?
Are broken heads,
With bloody noses and black eyes,
To be the Church's sacrifice?
Are the professed ministers of peace to hound on the orange
shipwright to belabour the poor Papist lumper? and are the
workshops of Liverpool to be the perpetual arenas of faction
and strife, while two contending systems of priestcraft
squabble for ascendancy?"
Now, as I was one of the ministers here alluded to, and as
in his letter Mr. Caine has selected me as the object of special
attack, I appeal to the subjoined extract from my speech on
the occasion. It is not, as he states, "an ex-poSt facto cbs-
coven of what ought to have been done." It is not some-
thing which may have been said, but "which 'is not in the'
report of the 'meeting;" it is what waa actually-spoken and
fully reported in the account of the proceedings as given in
the .Standard of the next day. The whole speech is com-
pressed into about the sixth part of a column, and the words
I am about to quote form its first sentence; scrthat it is im-
possible for a man to have looked at the report at all and not
to have seen them. They are as follow:
" It was necessary (Mr. White said) to distinguish between
persons and principles. They spoke, in the present contro-
versy, in reference to principles. They loved-the persons of
the Papists, and it was because of this that they endeavoured
to do them good by telling them the trutk;••but they hated
the principles of Popery."

•
The word principles, let me observe, in-the original report as
here is in italic, as if the reporter, being obliged to condense,
felt it necessary to notice the fulness with which I dwelt upon
the necessity of distinguishing between hatred of the principles
and love to the persons of Papists. I can only repeat what I
stated in Hope-street, that similar sentiments were avowed
by every speaker on the occasion. So murlr for the spirit of
the Bean street meeting. _

Next let us turn to that in Hope•street. The two extracts
here given are token—the first from the Standard's report of
the meeting, and the second from 'the Mercury's :
" In proceeding to overthrow error, however, we must do
it in a charitable spirit; we must love the men while we repu-
-cliate and abhor the sins; and in doing this we-shall only be
following our Saviour's blessed example:"

"Theßev. V. M. White, on being Called-upon, was warmly
received. He described Popery-to be despotical and liiisphe-
rnous—an enemy to man both-here and hereafter, and they
were not doing their duty to God or their neighbour unless
they rose-and strongly protested against the nystetn. But
-whilst they abhorred and repudiated the principles of Popery,
he enjoined love towards its unhappy followers:"
In addition, I cannot forbear mentioning a-fact which with
-many will probably weigh even more than the extracts, and
with all will corroborate their testimony. At the close of the
meeting, a vote of thanks was passed to Mr. R. A Marne, for
the nse of the hall ' • in acknowledging which he said that he
was there merely from curiosity—that he came to see the
accommodation the ball supplied-for tea-parties, -that being
the first held in it--that being in he was unable to get out,
and was thus obliged-to remain to the close; but having done
so; he could not help expressing his entire approval of the
manner and spirit in which -the proceedings had teen con-
ducted—that he would see -Mr. Caine and endeavour to correct
the erroneous impressions he had- formed, and, as the best ‘vay
to convince him of this, that he would urge him to attend the
next meeting ' • that be hoped, also, the Roman Catholics
would attend the meeting, and bear the truth adverted to in
truly Protestant and temperate language. In justice to Mr.
Macfie, I give the first part of his remarks; in-Justice to our-
selves,' I give the second.
So much then for the spirit of both meetings, as seen by
the published report of our speeches, and by the, impartial
testimony of an uninterested spectator, and, that spectator a
friend of Mr. Caine's. A most remarkable an , striking
contrast. to-the fact, that, after Mr. Caine's speech in-the Con-
cert-hall, one of the ministers who spoke. also a friend of his,
felt bound to protest against his address ; a circumstance
which I•have from the lips of the minister himself, thotigh I
believe it was not given in the report of the meeting. I leave
the reader-to-compare the extracts and draw his own con-
elusions.

We shall now turn to the letter. The writer begins thus:—
"At a meeting held in this town, on Monday evening last,
it was my<singular good fortune to be t.h.e suyect of attack by
three reverend gentlemen, and in no fewer than five speeches
to be lectured in unmeasured terms. The cause of offence
was a speech delivered by me three months ago in connexion
with the Working Men's Sunday Services."
Upon this I have only to remark that Mr.. Caine was himself
the first aggressor. That the speeches alluded to were'replies
to an unprovoked attack on his part, which, however suited
to the section of the.working-classes which he is in the habit
of tneeting,,will, I think, before I close, be admitted by every
impartial reader to be altogether unworthy either of a gentle-
man or a Christian.
In the same Riyagraph.he says.:—

"I am not indisposed to receive in good feeling any advice
to act charitably, ,towards my fellow-men; yet such advice
hardly comes with good grace from men who seldom appear
in public without betraying the absence of true Christian
meekness and charity, and it is.rather inconsistent in them,
when their misconduct is.exposed, to turn .round and lecture
any individnal who has the temerity to draw aside.the.veil
and exhibit their proceedings in their true colour:."

.
I freely ailing that ;I never courted the applause of an
audience by an assumed charity, based upon a-compromise of
the truth of God. As to the statement that I "seldom appear
before the public without betraying the absence of true
Christian meekness andxharity," that is a matter of opinion
upon which the pttblie will think for themselves. I can only
express my regret that even Mr. Caine should hold it; but
when he undertakes ," to exhibit our proceedings IN THEIR
TRUE COLOURS," then he comes to matters of fact, and bear
in-mind that he had the following words before his eyes, the
very opening sentences-of myspeech,-fully and fairly reported
in the public press :—" It was necessary to distinguish between
persons and principles. They spoke in the present contro-
versy in reference to principles. By -LOVED THE PERSONS
of Papists, and it was because of that that they endeavoured to
do them good by telling ,them the truth, but they hated the
,FRINCI PLIS of Popery ;'° and yet, with these words before
him, in exhibiting our proceedings in their true colours,"
he deliberately taxes us with "appealing to the prejudices
and inflaming the passions of ignorant and violent men ;"
with exciting "envy, hatred, malice, :and all uncharitable.
ness ;" with promoting rancour among neighbours ;" with
"provoking party feuds and etreet:figlits," with "hounding
on the Orange shipwright to belabour the Papist !wives."
,How am I adequately to characterise such conduct on the part
of Mr.-Caine? It is impossible, without descending to lan.
gunge-unbecoming a gentleman. "The wisdom that cometh
down from above" is " peaceable," but. t is " first pure."
Charity, that brightest of the jewels of the Christian, is most
unlike-the counterfeit of the mere professor in this, that "it
rejoiceth in the truth ;" and when Mr. Caine feels himself
bound to urge upon others "the new commandment,"
" to love one another," I would most earnestly press upon
himself .the study, and, what is better still, the practice of
the old, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
neighbour."
The second paragraph is too important to be passed over.
In speaking of" the Protestant priests," "reared in Ireland,
and reeking tram its orange hotbed," and in expressing his
wonder that they do not "select Papist Ireland as a better
held for their zealous and disinterested labours," he says—
" Would it be uncharitable to suppose that there are ster-
ling reasons why the Roman Catholics of Ireland are left by
these gentlemen to the teachings of their priests, whilst Eng-
lish Protestants are diverted with polemics, to the neglect of
the more important duties of religion."
It is a melancholy fact that, in so far as Mr. Caine is con-
cerned, such is the fulness of his charity, and such is his fear
of exciting rancour and ill will, that the Papists of Ireland
are " left to the teachings of their priests." It may possibly •
lie out of the range of his reading to become acquainted with
the efforts that the churches, with which we are severally
connected, are making to emancipate Ireland from the thral.
dotn of her priests, both lay end clerical, and of the unparal-
leled success with which they have been attended. I cannot
stop to remark upon the inconsistency which accuses me,
because I don't go to Ireland to preach the Gospel to the
Papists. and then, when I go, as I did last summer, and
narrowly escape with my life from the civil and religious
liberty of Popery, I am told by these same men—" Served
you right, it is Just what you deserved." I pass over these
matters, and call attention to Mr. Caine's most charitable
construction of oust MOTIVES in settling in England. It is
worth observing that, in speaking of the working classes,
with whom he professes an extensive acquaintance for five.
and-twenty years, he informs us that "scores and scores look
upon all churches as so many shops; priests,clergymen, and
ministers, as so many hirelings; and the various sects of re-
ligion as just so tnany crafts." And again. he gives it es " a
fact, which long personal experience enables him to verify,"
that "they lookupon clergymen as mere schemers,and religion
as a matter of pounds, shillings, and pence." That there are
sscialists and infidels among the working classes, as among
the higher classes, I cannot deny ; I also admit that they, in
common with like minded men of all classes, scot at religion
and entertain a special antipathy to its ministers, and the
more bitter, just in proportion as they are the more faithful.
That Mr, Caine, for 23 years, should have been thrown into
such company, for his own sake I exceedingly regret. A wise
author asks—" Can a man take fire in his own bosom and not
be burned 7" Such is the rule, and it is with sincere sorrow
-that I am compelled to express my fears that Mr. Caine, by
his own words, is not the exception ; for whether he has sue
ceeded in bringing them to his mind upon religion and its
ministers, or that they have brought him to theirs, or whether
he is simply publishing his own opinions under the name of
the working classes, not having his singular grace of charity
I am unable to say; certain it is, that he has openly in-
sinuated against us the very motives which he tells us these
men ascribe towards all ministers.
In the 3rd paragraph I am charged with unjustly accusing
him of "condemning Scripture Readers' Societies, town
Missions, end foreign missions," whilst I held in my hand
proofs to ;he Contrary, Here Is 011 e of these progs,—.lThe

Scripture Readers' Society is tea Winch tainted with that
everlasting spirit of controversy to do any great good." Here
is another,— . . . . .

" The Town Mission, excellent as that institution is, con-
fessedly falls short (for one thing, the ministers are engaged
chiefly during the day, at hours when working men cannot
be met with at home) ; again, though we know them to be
devout, earnest men, of deep piety, and as such to be re-
verenced and esteemed, still, as a mission to the masses gene-
rally, it is to be deplored (but cannot be denied) that, so far,
in that respect, it has failed in the object."
Now, as the Town Mission never contemplated any thing
else than "a mission to the masses generally, and as its
failure in this respect is pronounced by Mr. Caine as a fact
that "cannot he denied," the commendation of the agents
only makes the condemnation of the society the more com-
plete. Whilst the allusion to Foreign Missions is one of those
well-directed strokes of ridicule which prove infinitely more
dangerous than an open attack.
" How easy to excite sympathy for the Hindoo or the In-
dian 1 Place a black prince upon a platform ; let him address
a meeting and tell his tale of woe : ,ee how soon interest is
awakened—what a display of cambric handkerchiefs 1 the
very atmosphere is perfumed with sensibility I"
And then the whole subject is dismissed, without one single
word to counteract the effect of such an allusion upon an
audience already prejudiced against ministers and religion.
In the fourth paragraph, reference is made to the exception
I took to the society being called The Working Men's
Branch, &c.," on the ground that, as every man was, or
ought to be, a working man, it meant nothing, for none are
permitted to be idle in the vineyard of the Lord. The use
made of me allusion only supplies another example of Mr.
Caine's willingness to twist and misrepresent a statement, it
by so doing he can serve his cause.
Mr. Caine informs us that lie is a man more accustomed to
figures than to figures of speech. And yet we have the very
tasteful and somewhat amusing one of the "jackdaw." True, it
is scarcely what you would have expected from "the Liver-
pool gentleman and merchant ;" but it is, alter all, not so
bad, coming from one who ‘` for twenty-five years has been
thrown into constant and close commueion," `.‘ in many cases
into personal intimacy," with that section of the wog king
classes"who look upon all clergymen as justso inanyschemers.
and religion as a matter of pounds, shillings, and pence." I
have no dou'rt Mr. Caine speaks feelingly on this subject. "A
burnt child dreads the fire." The experience of the last two
or three years is not so easily forgotten. And it is, doubtless,
in the fulness of his charity that he is desirous to prevent
me from ever eccapline the very unhappy position in which
he himself has been so unfortunate as to be placed. The
prospect of being plirked, and sent back to "my own little
conventicle in Islington," is certainly far from agreeable ;
but there will be at least this consolation, that I shall not
have compromised those glorious principles which our
reforming forefathers handed down to us sealed with
their blood. And yet I do feel disposed to ask why, if
I may appear on the platform with Independents, Bap-
tists, and Methodists, with whom I have ever felt the
greatest pleasure in co-operating. I should be condemned for
meeting evangelical ministers of the Church of Engleind in
such a cause as that we were engaged in; and, still further,
I demand what right has he to come forward as my accuser,
who, in promoting what he hAds to be of public benefit. has
more than once taken his place side by side with the Infidel,
the Socinian, the Socialist, and the Papist? The fact is, that
there are extreme and unreasonable men in both parties, and
at one and the same time, and for one and the same act, the
evangelical minister or the Established Church is scowled
upon by the Puseyite high priest as something worse than a
dissenter, because lie is willing to co-operate with me as a
brother, whilst I am compelled to bear the heavy displeasure
of's' lay dictator in the form of a Particular Baptist, the self-
'commissioned advocate of charity and brotherly love, and all
because I dare to look my brother churchman in the face. It
is high time that the independent men of all parties should
•quietly inform these respective dictators that they are able to
mind their own business, and theyintend to do it. Ido not
understand what Mr. Caine means by the action of "pluck-
ing," nor will I insult the gentlemen alluded to by inquiring.
If it means that they are going to abandon the noble Pro-
testant principles by which they 'have 'hitherto been charac-
terised, I will not do them the dishonour to stippose that such
an insinuation needs a reply; but if they should, then I shall
be ready to join issue with them, and most confidently will I
appeal to a Protestant public as to the result. If to associate
with me has become i ksoine to them, it was not of my seek-
ing at first, and need not be continued one moment longer
than is agreeable; but if they think I can in the very hum-
blest way serve the cause of a common Protestantism, then I
am ready at all times, and at all hazards, to lend a feeble but
a willing hand to unfold, maintain, and propagate the glori-
ous erinciples of the blessed Reformation.
In the sixth paragraph we'have these words:—
"Convinced that' the denunciation of Popery to such men
can only lead to consequences that would fall upon the heads
of Papists, Mr. White says (and in this he is supported by
Mr. Taylor) that ' every speaker carefully inculcated the
necessity of distinguishing between the sin reprobated and
the man who commits it.' If this be an ex post facto dis-
Corer!, of what oughteoliave been done, I cannot help think-
ing it is rather too bad to blame me for not seeing what is
not in the report (if the meeting from which Iquoted."
This seems :Nita one of the coolest methods of arriving at
a conclusion I have seen. The writer quotes Mr. Taylor's
statement and mine to the effect, that every speaker care-
fully inculcated the necessity of distinguishing between the
sin reprobated and the man who commits it ;" and then, after
a distinct declaration that the thing was actually done, he pro-
ceeds to reason upon the ground that it is "merely an ex post
facto discovery of-what ought to have been done," and adds,'"it
isnot in the report of the meeting from whichlquoted." Having
already twice given the first sentences of my speech, as reported
in the Slandard.it is surely not neceseary to give them a third
time, to show that if was in the report of the meeting." And
bow am Ito suppose it possible that any man, professing to
be a gentleman, and a Christian, penned these words with my
speech before his eyes? or if he had not the speech, must
adopt the equally unpleasant alternative that he used all the
power and influence lie could command, to fix upon four or
five ministers of the Gospel at a public meeting, and subse-
quently throughethe press, in the town where their tninistra-
lions are practised, the most wicked and execrable conduct,
without even taking the pains to examine whether or no there
was any ground for such dreadful accusation? Which alterna-
tive am Ito adopt ?. Not having Mr. Caine's depth or charity,
I can adopt neither. I can only leave the facts before an im-
partial public.

- He siiys, in the above extract, "Convinced that the dentin.
dation of Popery to such men, can only lead to consequences
that would fall upon the heads of Papists, Mr. White, Arc."
Mr. White is convinced of no such thing. I have in the
matter a duty to perform of simple obedience to my Lorti and
Master. In conformity with His revealed word. I expose:the
principles of.Popery, and for the same reason I urgeTiortto
the persons of Papists.
. .

But Mr. Caine is convinced of it, or affects to be so. 'lf so,
how can he justify himself before God and man, wizen, in
addressing the very same class of the population, he employed
towards us the very intemperate langkage he did, which
according to his own reasoning could only lead to violence to
our persons ? _ .

The sixth paragraph is so much of a curiosity, that .1 think
it a pity to touch it. Those acquainted with Mr. Caine's
views and operations and associates, will be the bestjudge of
its correctness ; it only proves to me how hard it is for a man
to form a correct judgment regarding himself. As I never took
part in a political meeting in my life, I don't feel much dis-
tressed by being designated "a political parson." I shall not
complain even though he should call me a "disguised
socialist."

The only other passage in this memorable letter that I shall
notice, is that which pertains to Dr. Baylee. lam notsurprised
that the writer defers it to the last, and then passes it over as
quietly as possible. He denies " the ascribing of false mo-
tives," and says-" I quoted his own words, and merely added
that the promotersof that movementwere,in my opinion,greatly
mistaken." Had•#his been the case, the matter would not have
been revived by me ; but, unfortunately for Mr. Caine, the
following remarks ,from his speech were already before the
public in black and white:—

"It may be all very well, if he can succeed, to persuade the
people at their own-expense thus to provide berths for .young
curates ; but if the nrojector of that scheme ever expected to
reach the hearts and consciences of working men by.any such
instrumentality, he is grievously mistaken. It may do for
widows, and for lonewidows, or for washerwomen with tears
in their eyes, but working men are made of sterner stuff than
to be influenced by any such twopenny trifling : they are
not made of such plastic material as to be easily moulded ;
they are neither mud nor clay, that fledgling parsons, like
young swallows, should thus play at nest-making with 'them."
And again, he says :
" We have abundant evidence, not only in the large attend-
ance at our meetings, but from volunteered testimony,-that
working men would welcome a large Christian effort, if
rightly directed. But they must be treated like men, and
not like children ; they mast be addressed by men who have
hearts to feel for them—who have sympathies with them-
-who have studied them—who know their circurnstancesotheir
privations, their temptations, their trials, and their sorrows.;
not by new-made parsons, fresh from college, with bits and
scraps and snips and snaps of Latin and Greek."
Why should we wonder that men, accustomed to such ad-
dresses, should entertain a contempt for religion and its
ministers? If Mr. Caine has sown the wind, must he not ex-
•pect.to reap the whirlwind? But to return to the point. Is
not Or. Baylee here held forth before these working men as
seeking their money "to provide berths for young curates?"
Is thee" ascribing false motives;' or is it not? Is the lan-
guage there employed such as tuCliristian man and a gentle-
man would use of young gentlemen who had gone out into
the highways and lanes of the eity.that, according to the best
of theiratnowledge and ability, they might promote the cause
of Christ? Even though they were in error, was this
the way in which to speak of them? Was it suitable
and becoming language to use before those who enter-
tain the ideas we are informed so many of the work-
ing classes do of religion? Who need feel surprised that,
if Mr. Caine "for •25 years and more has been thrown
into constant and close communion with working tnen ;" and
if this be a fair specimen of his style of address when speak-
.ing of the earnest efforts of Christian ministers and men to
spread the Gospel, that we have now to mourn over "scores
and scores who look upon churches and chapels just as so
many shops ; prietits, clergymen, and ministers as so many
hirelings ; and the various sects of religion as so many
crafts." I throw back upon himself the question which he
puts to us, and 1 implore it of him, as a man whose "sterling"
properties at least give him a certain influence, seriously to
tonsider it, "if working men look upon clergymen as mere
schemers, and religion as a matter of pounds, shillings, and
pence, arc their prejudices likely to be uprooted" by language
and conduct such as his ? _ _

Now I have done. have spoken of myself and referred
only to my own speeches throughout, because in Mr. Caine's
letter I am selected as the object of special attack ; and as I
do not mean again to return to this sublect, let me .giye Mr.
Caine one word of advice, if lie will receive it from a
" political parson," whom lie pronounces to be a " political
pest" awl a " social evil.' If he wishes to be useful to true
religion and to the cultivation of brotherly love, I wish him
God speed, if he will only do it in the spirit of God's word ;
but when he preaches charity, let him endeavour to undir-
stand its nature and to realise its possession. If a stern
regard for truth compels him to condemn the conduct and
actions of Christian ministers, let him, at least for consis-
tency's sake, adhere to the truth, and leave their motives to
the-omniscient God, who alone can penetrate the heart; and
when he laments the hostility of so many of the working
classes to religion and its ministers, let him seriously as be-
fore God consider how far he has been the instrument of
creating it, and whether he himself is wholly free from it.
—I am, &c.,
Liverpool, April ?Bth, 1854

VERNER M. mum.

MELANCHOLTCATASTROPHE IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.
—We have received the following melancholy intelligence
from Turin :—The steamer Ercolano has been lost off Villa-
franca. Among 33 passengers lost were 15 English :—Mr.
Thomas Halsey and family (five), Mr. Knight and family
(five), Mr. Joseph Hayes and family (three), Mr. Charles
Sanson, and Sir Robert Peel's servant. Five were saved—
Mr. Edward Downley, Sir Robert Peel, Mr. George Wil-
kinson, Mr. Edward Knight, and Mr. Charles Boston. A
subsequent despatch adds that Charles Sanson was saved
from the wreek in the ship's boat with three sailors. The
wreck has proved fatal to another member of the House of
Commons, Mr. Thomas: Plumer Halsey, one of the col-
leagues of Sir Edward Bulwer Lytton in the representation
of Hertfordshire. On Sunday a telegraphic message was
received from Marseilles by Mr. Halsey's solicitor, corro-
borating the announcement first made known to them by
the public papers—a source from which Lady Peel has
alone been informed of the narrow escape of her son from
a watery grave. Of the lamented gentleman's party there
were drowned five—namely, himself, Mrs. Halsley, an in-
fant son, and two servants. His son and heir, 14 years of
age, is studying at Eton. Mr. Halsley was a nephew of
the Archbishop of Dublin. He was born in 1815, and
married in 1839 the daughter of Colonel Johnstone, of
Helton The maternal grandfather of the deceased repre-
sented Hertfordshire during the years 1768, 1774, and
1781.
THE PRESTON STRIKE.—The returns supplied from the
various mills of the associated masters show that they have
gained un accession of upwards of 800 hands during the
week ; the total number now at work exceeding 7,700, or
nearly half the number originally locked out and on strike.
In addition to these, a large number of card-room hands
(whose funds are so much reduced that they only receive
Is. per head weekly) have offered themselves for employ-
ment, but it cannot In afforded_ the p until more of the
spinners resume work.