The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-02-12 00:00:00

. 28, confirmatory of the settlement of the Eastern
The despatch, as will be seen, does not differ
intelligence already given :

3NSUL TO THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN

iled from Alexandria, having
Ali. Soliman. Pasha has ar.
vision of 8,000 men. Ibrahim was
cre the Nile was despatched to bring

" The Turkish fleet has
Mehe

elivered up b
t(

approaching Gaz

hiM to Aleian,

The journals renew the rumours of ministerial changes,
but there is not a paragraph of news sufficiently interesting
to induce us to extract it to the exclusion of more temporary
matter. In the Chamber of Peers on Monday, M. Guizot,
in answer to some questions from the Marquis de Dreux
Breeze defended the treaty which the French government
bad concluded with Buenos Ayres. The Custom Duties
Bill is still before the Chamber of Deputies.

The I
that a g

Is and letters of the 31st ultimo state
the troops of the garrison was held on
y. In the morning, a depu-
I had waited on the duke to

that day by the Du
tation of the Nati

)f Viet

compliment him on the patriotic sentiments he had expressed
' "---- to the second company of Chasseurs, and to
lat he might at all times rely on the co-opera.
—onal Guard of Madrid.

assure hiu

Lion of the
The cap

the fears of a republican

movement appear to have

seen increased,

IUtCH

From a Correspondent.)

Inch satisfaction we are enabled to
Jones, whose extraordinary barbarity
was mentioned in The Times of Sa-
:hrough the exertions of the worthy
in the Staffordshire Potteries, whi-
pe the pursuit of justice. He was
a bench of magistrates, and,

after a

f the case,—was summarily con-

,ge on the person of hii

sentenced to two Months' impri:
: before liberation to find sureties
The public are much indebted
who so ably detailed the nature,
f the injuries inflicted on the un-

ose influence princi-

sh, howeverinade-

16, brig, Commander

ye bail Amel

ab, bound to Mo.:

fitted for

ish dollars for the
a sent into Table Bay with
avir of 150 tons, also

es (the remaining 20 taken

to have landed-200 near
kg- previous to her capture.

—During the late elec-

,the (the successful candidate,)
called upon Mr. Braham, one of
the son of Braham, the singer,

ibraham. Mr. Braham owes
and is the person Mr. Wilson

whose support he was so
being at home, Mr. Smythe
ho greeted him with various

:ed that the honourable candidate
,a " good whipping." This was
owed upon him. The candidate
aces from the house he met Mr.
hi him :—/lfr. Smythe. I have
lling upon you, sir, as in duty

I esteem the honour, sir: good
Smythe. By the N

Mr. Bra-

by avery vulgar kitchen

at impertinence to

:nd-then unconsciously)

Id do wrong if

port—which. as they say; is

titers iritena'an

f parliament. . We, of course,
ns, and' can only speak to the
king, however, at the present
mounded on every side, and
culties and dangers, we should

relieve themselves for a

ion of a general election,

!vowing them, and perhaps

• They had better go
,e light and order over
which both public and

volved.—

successful candidate at the
Mr. Antrobus, the conser-
. , are both members of St.
ty, and took their degrees so
.—Cambridge Chronicle
)n Satu

t Surry

day evening last, a
-.seen this town and Gloucester,
..c act of putting a large clinker, weigh-
Sine cwt., on the line ; fortunately the train,
-r 60 passengers, had just passed about two minutes
its usual time, or the consequences might have been
. Owing to the darkness of the night, we fear the
watchman will not be able to identify the villains.— Cheltes-
4ane Examiner.

detected

dreadful

Emprrial TJarliamtitt,

MONDAY

HOUSE OF LORDS—
The LORD CHANCELLOR brought down a message from

make provision for Lord Keane and I

;e for his services in India,

in Nev

le her to

t heirs, as a

k;AbIiEL,
o the detention and intended trial of Mr. M`Leod.
as one of the party engaged in the destruction

of the Car

team-vessel;

Lord MELBOURNE said a correspondence had taken place
between Mr. Fox and the American minister on the subject,
in the course of which Mr. Forsyth, the American minister.
said it was a matter pertaining entirely to the state of New
York, and in which the federal government could not inter-
fere. He could not state what course the government would
pursue, but the house might rely that British subjects should
be protected,' and the honour of the British nation main-
* tained.
Their lordships soon after adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—MOI,iDAY.
it was issued for the borough of Richmond, York-
s accepted the

shire, in the room of

Chiltern Hundreds.
Lord STANLEY having, in a most lucid manner, stated tin
circumstances which led to the arrest of Mr. M'Leod, in
New York, on the charge of being a party engaged in the
destruction of the Caroline steam-vessel, proceeded to ask
the noble secretary for foreign affairs, whether, as a corres-
pondence on the subject of the loss of the Caroline had taken
place between the government of the United States and that
of Great Britain, as far back as 1838, be had any objection
to lay that correspondence on the table ; whether he had re-
ceived any despatches from Mr. Fox, containing the commu-
nications referred to by Mr. Fox in his letter to Mr. Forsyth,
recently published ; and whether any, and if any, what steps
had been taken to afford protection to Mr. M'Leod ; and if
there was any objection to lay the correspondence upon this
subject also on the table of the house?
• Lord PALMERSTON said that the noble lord had adverted
with great discretion to a subject so delicate in its nature as
to require being touched upon, if at all, with great reserve
Nt -den—

It was not expedient to lay the correspondence on the subject
on the table of the house under existing circumstances. Her
Majesty's government had received despatches from Mr. Fox
within the last few days, enclosing the correspondence which
had taken place between that gentleman and Mr. Forsyth ;
and as it had been already published in America, he had no
objection to lay copies on the table. It was important to
state that, according to the information he had received, Mr.
M`Leod was not one of the party engaged in the destruction
of the Caroline. With respect to the ground taken by Mr.
Forsyth in his letter to Mr. Fox, he would say that the Ame-
rican government bad already treated the transaction as a
matter to be discussed between the two governments. Un-
der all the circumstances, however, he thought it desirable to
avoid discussion on the subject.
Lord STANLEY observed that the noble lord had not an-
swered one question—namely, what steps had beers taken for
the liberation of Mr. M`Leod.
Lord PALMERSTON replied, that a somewhat similar case
in principle occurred about eighteen months or two years
back, in reference to which instructions were sent to Mr. Fox.
Mr. HUME asked if no reply had been returned to the
American government, which had, in 1838, applied to ascer-
tain if the enterprise was to be considered as undertaken by
the sanction of the British government ?
Lord PALMERSTON said he was informed that instructions
had been sent by the American government to Mr. Steven-
son not to press for a reply. He added, that the American
government, having once admitted that it was a matter of
international law, could not now change its ground.
Sir R. PEEL asked whether some British officers had not
received wounds in the affair of the Caroline, and whether
they had not since received pensions as if those wounds had
been received in the regular service of her Majesty.
Lord J. RUSSELL said one officer was wounded, but he
could not say whether he had received a pension.
Mr. O'CONNELL said the house ought to come to some
determination, that as Mr. M`Leod was acting under a British
officer, his life should be saved. They should come to a re-
solution that they were willing to assist the Government in
any steps it might take to save him.
In reply to a question from Sir R. Peel, Lord PALMER-
STON said that the differences between the court of Great
Britain and that of Persia had not been adjusted, nor had the
relations between the two countries been renewed.

Lord STANLEY brought in the Registration:of Voters (Ire-
land) Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered for se-
cond reading on Wednesday, the 2lth instant.

Lord J. kussALL moved the second reading of the Poor
avz Amendment Bill.

Mr. D'IsnAELI, in moving that it be read a second time
that day six months, condemned the bill as an outrage on the
manners of the people of England, and no financial considera-
tion should be suffered to weigh against such an evil. By the
Poor Law Bill the constitution of England had been destroyed
for sordid considerations, and they had the melancholy re-
flection that even those. sordid considerations had not been
realised.

Mr. WAKLEY said that the object of the first part of this
bill was to continue for ten years the power of the commis-
sioners, and the second part Nras to give them power to do
whatever they pleased. The object of the poor law, recog-
nised by the Parliament of England, was that no distinction
should be made in the treatment of the poor on the ground
of merit. The noble lord- (Lord 3. Russell) said the object
was that no person should be allowed to starve. That was
all that the liberals, who supported the noble lord, would do.
They would not allow the poor to starve—whip them twice a
fortnight—torture them at pleasure—imprison them always
—and clothe them, because poor, in a uniform which de-
grades'them ; and this was what the liberal side of the house
was willing to inflict upon the poor. He appealed from them
to the great conFryative party in the house, to come forward
and the working men of England from the grasp of
these political.econornists. He appealed to them, because
the aristocracy of gagland were the natural leaders of the
people. He was aware that what he was saying would be dis-
pleasing to those.who sought for the repeal of the corn laws,
in order to: Iwo Mead cheap, though they well knew that
wages were always relative. The hon. member proceeded to
condemn the Poor Law Bill as a cold-blooded, mercenary
act, ferocious and savage in principle, calculated to inflict
misery and torture upon the deserving poor of this country,
and to stimulate the muscle and bone of England to resist the
dderees of Parliament.
Mr. G. KNIGHT feared that the hon. member for Finbury
would have no reason to congratulate himself on his appeal
to the conservative side of the house. For his own part he
viewed as senseless clamour all the attacks made on the sys-
tem of centralisation, and congratulated the noble lord on
, introducing the bill to the

Mr. was of opinion that the noble lord would never
be able to procure respectable gentlemen to carry out such an
obnoxious measure as this, unless he materially altered its
clauses in, committee. The .powers given by this bill were
unconstitutional, but he should reserve his further observa-
tions upon it until it went into committee.

Mr. MuNTz said his great objection to the poor-law was,
that it made no distinction between the industrious man and
the idle and dissolute beggar. The poor house instead of
being a place to relieve the poor, was turned into a bugbear
to frighten away the very parties who ought to be the first re-
lieved.

Sir R. PEEL supported the second reading of the bill. There
were two grounds of consideration upon which the question
must be viewed. The first was whether they should adhere
to or abandon this great experiment altogether ; the second,
whether they should, or should not have, in the event of the
continuance of the law, a central board for the direction of
the unions throughout the kingdom. For his own part he
had never supported the poor-law amendment bill on the
ground of diminution of expenditure, but from the experi-
ence of evils which were entering into the vitalsof the consti-
tution, and the remedy.for which, he thought, admitted of no
delay. In considering this subject, people were too apt to
forget what was the state of things before the passing of the
poor-law bill. The right hon. gentleman then adverted to
the evidence taken before the committee of 1834 .on the state
of the poor, in order to show the state of distress and demo-
ralisation which prevailed amongst the labouring classes of
society, and observed that the hon. member for Finsbury
might have addressed his inflammatory speech with equal
effect in reference. to those suffering under the altered sys-
tem. He should be very sorry, after a short experiment of
five years, to abandon a great measure like this, and would,
therefore, give his vote for the second reading, reserving his
right to judge of the policy of the clauses when in committee.
He doubted the policy of continuing the power of the com-
missioners for ten years ; indeed he thought, there would be
practical advantage in knowing that, at the end of five years,
the subject must be again brought under the consideration of
parliament. The right hon. baronet also objected to the
clause authorising burying places adjoining the workhouses,
and reminded the house that every outrage to the feelings of
the poor gave an additional weapon to those who were dis-
posed to attack the law itself. He was also of opinion that
the principle of extended unions was already carried too far,
an evil which gave opportunities of abuses- that might not
take place were the unions more limited, and consequently
more immediately. under the cognisance of the poor-law gaur-
dians.

Lord HOWICK was gratified to find that after all that had
been said in the press and at public dinners respecting the
poor law amendment bill, yet not one single member of that
house had ventured to recommend a return to the old sys-
tem of administering relief to the poor. The noble lord
defended the existing law,.and. contended that it was sound
policy- to extend the power of the commissioners for ten
years, nor should he object to make it permanent.
Mr. DARBY could not look upon the bill as any improve-
ment whatever. It contained nothing in the shape of ame-
lioration of the severities of the existing law. He thought
if a labour test were applied instead of a workhouse test,
they would find it a very great improvement. and much more
satisfactory to the people....
Mr. W. ATTI#OOD opposed the second reading of the bill,
seeing that nothing in the shape of amelioration in the ex-
isting law was to be expected, but that it was to be carried
out with all the harshness which characterised its provisions.
The only alternative, therefore, left to him was to oppose
the bill altogether.
After a few observations from Mr. RICE and Sir E.
FILNIER,

Mr. LANGDALE gave notice that in committee he should
move a clause to.prevent the paupers from being confined in
the workhouse, so as to prevent them from attending their
respective places of worship on Sundays.
Mr. FIELDEN said he should not only oppose the bill in
its present stage, but would take every occasion to obstruct,
and, if possible, defeat it in its various stages in passing
through the house....

Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply, said in reference to making
hard labour a test instead of the workhouse, that it was a
matter which could only be judged of .by experience. That
was not the time to.discuss. it,. but he would say that, how-
ever desirable it.might be„ he believed experience was against
the efficacy of a. labour test. There. was,. he contended, a
great fallacy in speaking of .the present law pressing severely
on the poor, for. on the contrary it had effected a material
change for the better in their condition since the abuses of
the old law were done away with. With respect to the sug-
gestion of the right hon. hart. (Sir R. Peel, for limiting the
power of the commissioners to a power of five years, he
should be extremely sorry to see it adopted by the house, as
while it could confer no. practical benefit, it would tend to
weaken the power and authority of the commissioners.
On a division.the second reading was carried by a majority
9.01 to 54. The house adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY.
Certain correspondence relative to idolatry in India was,
on the motion of the Bishop of LONDON, ordered to be

The Queen's message for conferring some signal mark of
favour on Lord ICeare was taken into Consideration, and,
after very eulogiStic, speeches from LOrds MELBOURNE and
ELLtxnoßovu, was, agreed to.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUESDAY

Lord STANLEY, after explaining some circumstances re-
lating to the conversation which had taken place on the pre-
ceding evening, as to the arrest of Mr. Macleod, wished to
ask if her Majeity's government had taken any, and if any,
what, steps for procuring Mr. Macleod's liberation?
Lord PALMERSTON said, that a case of nearly a similar
nature to the present had been expected to occur one or two
_years since. In anticipation of that event, instructions had
been sent out to Mr. Fox, and although circumstances ren-
dered it unnecessary for him to act upon them at that time,
he had taken them as equally applicable to this occasion.
The last despatches from Mr. Fox had only been received
a day or two since, and the final instructions, the nature of
which he could not be expected to disclose, had been only
that day sent oft.
In answer to questions from. Mr. Noma and Mr. DPN-
.