The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-02-23 00:00:00

14OUSE OF COMMONS:--Ti,EsDgY.

Three ballots -were fixed, hut ouly oue was vat:en—that for
Marylebunew On those
,for floniton and Laoarkshire tieing
galled ou, the parties did not answer ; couarqueully the baltots
in those cases did not take place.
Sir W: MottswouT4 stated the terms of• the address which
he should wove onlhe 6th of March, expressive Of tl6s want
of confidence". ici.Lord G enelg, as colonial secretary_ ;-adding,
that he should move a call of the house fot That d'ay.
A petitiocs eta presented frir the discontinuance of the in-
come to the,Klug Hanover.
Mr. Fiat:ism afterwards, in a lone- speech, moved for leave
to hying in a °di to repeat the poor taw atnendmeut act—a pri.)-
position tht*t led ro the-whole night's discassion.
Mr. H A KVE.V. moved the' " previous question''—namely, that
the other kusiness be proceeded with. .
Sir R. Pahl. opposed the motion.
Lord- J.- H t SSE I t. expressed a hope that the house Would not
sanction the mode of evading I lie motion proposed by Mr.
Harvey, but that it would directly meet the question.
The house eventually divided. 'The numbers, on the amend-
ment, were—aveg, Id; noes, 321. On the original motion they
were, for Mr. Fielden, 17; against, 309 niajority,
Adjourned.
tiOUSE OF COM MONS.—WsomssosY.
MAI:Voir:CONE ELECTIoN —NEW WHIT.

..„. .
Lord Easzsor:, as chairman of the Marstehone Election
Committee, reported to the house that the committee bad de-
eided that ihe sitting member. Sir Samuel Whalley, oid-not
possess a sufficient property qualification to entitle' him to sit
parlianient The committee had therefote resolved bat the
election was null and yord.
• his lordship then moved that the speaker do issue his writ
for the election of a burgess ror ihe borough of Marvlebour., iu
the mom of Sir S. Whalley.— Ordered..
A number of petitoins on various subjects were presented:
Capt. PECHELL gave notice that ou Thuisilay. the tst of
March, he should move for a return of the nitinlierof slave
vessels captured by her Majesty's cruisers since the Ist ot. Jan.,
disting,uishing, the nation lowhich such vessels belonged:-
and whether. at the time of the capture, such vessels contained
any slaves-or not
. The' second reading of the municipal boundaries' bill was
postponed until the 14th of March.
The committees of supply and ways and means was postponed
until Friday.
The second reading of the waste lands (Ireland) bill and
'tenant for life (Ireland) bill were postponed.
At a quarter before live o'clock an hon. member moved that
the house be counted, when, only 29 members oeing present,
the Speaker declared t he house adjourned until to-morrow;

Four ladies resident in Wakefield have subscrilied no leg.;
than £ll5 towards the fund for erecting a new church in shat
town.

A. most beautiful mind rare phenomenon was observer! by
-:sontkpersons at Brighani. WM( Cockertnowh, nu. Monday last,
ahout.ls Minutetio et ht A:"14. A litroe fiery bah or Metem,
,--..",,ltintittaitelt,_,Veprtirlue north, -trn!l apparently abou., a• mile b.ivh,
V wirkatuaztog auu,teastern roursr, whPo it, he-
'eatnaleattuguished, and A, !OP./lair Vito atitokeAtiqrS
The meteor, while in the shape of a globe, wag 41.otit he ,:size
of the moan when full, et risin?;, but of a much whiter and more
transparent colour. The whole appearance lasted perhaps three
seconds. Had it been dark. instead of a few minutes before the
"Tieing of the ann. the Rase of this transitory o;,.fret would have
been truly grand to the lovers 14 nature, in her moat suillinie
apersticrai.—Wisitahavins Hare/41.

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS.

On Wednesday last, the adjourned monthly meeting of the
Town Couthil was held. •

.11,101ORIALS:
The MAYOR presented a number of petitions from different
individuals playing for situations in the Police force,,&c. They
were severally referred tht he Finance, and Watch committees.
A letter was then read from Dr Buck expressing his acknow-
ledgeineuts fur his appoint Merit to the chaplaincy of the_ Borough,
Gaul.
A petition was read from Dr. John Quale, complaining that
the freedom, of the borough was withheld from hint, though he
had served an apprenticeship of seven years.
'rise TowN-ct,ertx. explained, that he had given his opinion
ai•gainst Dr. Quale's receiving his certificate of freedom, ou
the
ground that he had not served seven years under the indenture
of apprenticeship, but had served two years and a half pi iur to,
the indenture, during which time he was not serving in the re-
lation of master and apprentice.
The MAYOR said, it was a hard case no doubt,•he had served
his master seven years, but not under the iudeutuie. He, there-
fore, supposed the council would coutirin the opinion of the
'Town-clerk.
•
Mr. Councillor Du-sicAr4i-saiii, he knew the late council were
very ,ineral in their construction of such-cases, and he thought
that, piobably, this might be a—Case iu which a committee of
there might examine the case. _ _ .• •.. .

The Ala yok said, the-fact was, the late council had it in their
power to be liberal ; but the present council was so confined,
that they hail it nut to the power to be liberal.
Mr. Councillor Bovrot4 said, the case was quite clear; it
could not be deait otherwise with than it had been, and he
moved that-the.petition do lie on the table.
The ToWN-ct.suit said, the former council had the power to
give the freedom; and •in cases of hardship, in consequence of
some slip. or the death- of a.master, they exercised their plwer •
•to give the freedom. By the municipal act it was enacted "that
from, and after this actk nu persou shall obtain freedom by gift
or purchase," but from inquiry he had ascertained that this
' would be a case in which: the application would not have been
granted by the old council.
The subject theft dropped.
The Deputy Towrt-c LEAK then read a memorial from Lieut.
Low, emigration ageat :to the effect, than when he was ap-
pointed totheoffitie heAseld,iii May. 18.33, it was with_ the un-'
derStanding that err-augments had been made with the corpo-
ration tu,supply?hitn:witb au office and lodgings at thecorpora-
lion expense. 'll*'ittas also stated . by• Land Stauley iu his
placein the itouse.of CUmnironsandt hough the metnoria:ist
had no meapslpf ascertaining on what authority Lord Stanley
bad made tiit'statettPtit; he presnini'd that the rrolde lord had
_not Made it without the best ailthority. The memorialist tur-
titer stated] that thAt arrangement. was made (luring the mayor-
alty,uf Mr. liorsialk; who was ready to confirm his statement
respeetiog it; aird.!he• hoped that the council would take the
suo
, j ect into cousttletatiou, that the arrangement inightle pro-
periv adhered to..•'
The memorial was referred to the
.Finance committee..

POSTOFFICT► R Jiro

The Deputy ToivN-cLEuK ttn•n pruceeiled to read the follow-
ing memorial, .brouwilt up by Mr: Barclay, agreed on by the
comtnittee on Pustodice -retinal; to be presented by the council
to the government

" The memorial of the Mayor',-Alderinen, and Common
Council of Liverpool in Council assembled,
"
"'That the-tateinOrialisti cannot doubt that your honourable
house will give the -iiittject of Postolike reform your most seri-,
out cousideration, itt
_cousequence of the numerous petitions
that have been itreSenteit to its favour by so titans important
'public bodies, siippoited as they.: have been in both houses of
parliament 'by tlibSe Members whose opinions are entitled to
every deference. At the same tiote,.your memorialists conceive
that they should not discharge the duty which they owe to the
vast commercial communit.y they represent, if they cf.& not urge,
in the strongest terins;the• expediency of a great and sensible
reduction' in the present 'rates of-the 'postage of letters; their
silence might otherwise be construed into indifference with
regard lii a measure 'which they deem to be of the first import,
ance, not only to' those who are engaged in commerce, hut to
the cOuutry at large. The arguments in a pamphlet. recently
published by Mr. Rowland Hill, in favour of the plan fur Post-
office reform which it advocates. appear to your ineinurialists
conclusive and iricotit rover( ible, and they can wit figure to them,,
seiveS any reasonable objection that can be urged against the
plans except the possibility of a decrease in the revenue by its
adoption. Your Memorialists concur in the prevailing senti-
ment, that any tax which impedes the circulation of knowledge
through the couutty is highly impolitic, and they conceive that
nothing contributes more to do this titan the present excessive
rates of postage. ' •
" Your memorialists respectfully submit that in their opinion
no Material reduction would occur in the revenue from the
adoption of a plan founded upon the suggestions of Mr. Hill,
provided that wi partial experiments be made in ti, as its site-,
cess seems wholly to depend upon its being fully and faith
tried.' '

" Entertaining these 'Opinions, tour memorialiAts earnestly
hope-that fair 'honourable lame. will take immediate steps for
cairsing PostofEee 'reform into cotnplete effect. They beg
further to:-add;•rhatif any defalcation to the ,revenue shouid
arise, contrary to their expectahtus, by doing so, they are
presied with the belief that. the country, would wil ingly make
up the 'deficiency in'-some other way, ra, tier than forego the in-
advantages' which your memorialists cunceive are
likely to lie derii/ed from the proposed alterations..
" And- your itemorialists'a ill ever pray.P
The MAYOR inqiiired if the council agreed in the petition,
and if any member would move that it be presented.
Mr. Councillor BAtici.Ar would move that the memorial be
presented !o lmth housesair parliament.
Mr. Councillor 1-I,N KY HOLMES seconded the motion.

?qr. Councillor But.ToN thought the point about the
diminu-
ti„n of the revenue too strongly put. lie feared that they hail
committed themselves in it, as it was not borne out by tact.
The NI syntr-inquireil .if Mr. Boltutx_wisheit to, wove an
amicnatatc.t:

• Mr. Councillor BOLTON, after having had the part he objected
to read Over. said it appeared to him too strong:
COlincilb.ir H. LA wirrorcE said, -agreeing with a goad
deal that Mr. Bolton had said, might not an arrangement be
made for materially benetitting the public without- materially
injuring the revenue. For his own part. he was far from being
convinced Of the utility of Mr. Hill's plan. lie thought it
would materially Injure the revenue.
The. MAYOR would suggest for the convenience-of the coun-
cil, that if the memorial were not corrected in that point in the
council, the simpler way would be to refer it back to- the com-
mittee.

The Deputy TOWN CLERK read the part objected to "your
memorialists submit. that 'no material reduction would occur if
Mr. Rowland HON plan were adopted."'
Mr. Councilloi Bottom said he did not concur in that. • He
begged that that part be reirrreil back to the' committee to pre-
pare a memorial less strongly expressed with regardqa-
Hill's plan.
Mr. Councillor Isat.tt.-.Don't you think it could. be (lotto
now the questiod is under d.iscaSsion. •
Mr. Alderman P;vsNs said he was on the committee, and-had
expres,ed. his dissent altogether to the tone of dictation and
peremptory annOMR-einent of the exclusive excellence of Mr.
II ill's plan; and im.(lnestionably if they looked at the wording
of the memorial, it excluded the remainder of the instruCrions •
that were sent to the'cononittee from the council. • l'hey had
left out altogether thequalification "or some older plan." They
had expreieed in the most absolute manner that nothing hut
Mr. Rowland Hill's plan would succeed.
Mr. Counciliol• EAIIIA.—" No no; based on his plan."
The M yott.—Woolit Mr. Bolton prepare his alteration,
Mr. Councillor WA 1:1-11:8 CURRIE.— Peihaps the' councit
will authorise Mr. Bolton to retire into an adjoining room to
prepare the 1 etit ion ?(A cry of the Committee.) '
Mr Alderman SHhti, did not see how the committee could
retire to make 'any alteration in the memorial till the Council
had decided that the Memorial required-alteration. As a mem-
ber of the committee he did not • think it was treating them
fairly that lieeause one or tWo gentlemen thought proper to
object to the particular wording Of a memorial, drawn up with
.considerable care and after a good deal of discussion, they
should be authorised to alter it. lie was much surprised at the
exception of Mr. Evans, because that report came to the coun-
cil as the unanimous recommendation of the committee; he
said ucaniiuous, because it was agreed to by every member pre-
sent.

Mr. Alderman EvANg begged to say that he was not present.
Mr. AtderthanEtt: coutinued.—He believed it was an
understood rule in committees, that could not be departed from
without much incotivenience, that the member of a committee
should uut oppose the decision of that coininittee.unless he had
divided i 1 on the point to which he objected, leading the com-
mittee to udderitiin-d that there would be opposition from one of
their own body. It was for the council to decide on any alte-
ration it might think proper to adopt. The committee could
do nothing emit -unless it had a positive instruction to alter
any•particulal words. The committee could du no better than
the' petittonit tool agreed to.
• Mr. Aldethniati.Evaris hoped for the indulgence of the council
for one moureol,‘ to make it evident that he did not deserve the
lecture which, he had received on, the score of propriety from
his friend Mx. Shed. &tore the committee met he spoke to
Mr,',ltaiuscieo oo Ihe subject, and mentioned his views; he

afteruaLds-met, birti at the rop.of Hanover-street, and again. ob-
Tweat,4l7B:ll:sityn of the entimittee. He wa# opt absent
I:toroctettititedethe committeeatfthi oernsanoetgesTehcou,
r.buothdbewchaueusehoanwfaittliitertocottht
conitnittee•helOuud it haill
his
adjourned. He then read the
itteepNrolarrft.t
eoc'rizoeittettattnclitg.e. a press
Air Eeatrle'iasedxiisleuriat
ti
inouth.e most decided man-
tier
said Mr. Evans had obieCted to the
I petition, ',lllbeiit instructions were' to discuss Mr. Hill's plan.
and Mr. Evans, as he u
erstou.i him, was always, opposed
Thr .Agra said this was to it. ... ..
outa very
ever Mr.,'Evana had said .irregular discussion What-
oof committee it did not.at all go
~,against the decision of the (
Ririe,
What Mr. Shell had
said was perfectly correct.hear.) Therefore Mr. Al-
derman Eva na.whis out of order i' ri
understood standing- order. Would
noutaking objection against the
ettitemciiitti?ocilltrwefuesr
vtehrebpieitui....
tion back .to the eurninitiee, or decide
portant that they.should come to an unanimous Vote on this
subject. ..
with the consent of his se:
Mr. Con n etri,leflwto:heißsiutri‘LetrTntoin,e7rriatahloetsent
r;l:,iom,e
ntihilaensaWi i la hethought
warranted
t,y
egt
the-rwitttocitt'hieard is. , Tb e part which
tflitteij objected
of:
was that which stated that no material
latid Hill's plan.
;ten' wouldidsluireopfrom
asth e
sillaittit7iPenii 1 ea of lA, i trrheatillett.ti,etylsodu„arffleittugorrei i:tishat s.
are of .opinion t bat a Plan might he adopted,
wow material reduction or the revenue which, without
that he did not
cilities Witte oolitic in the circulaLneititi otof
say
Mr. Councillor Rs msoats be.
The instructions desired
agree in opinion with Mr. Bolton with respect to ttiei:itstruc
nous riven to the committee.
refer-
ence to Mr, Rowland Hill's plan or some similar
there-
fore he did not think, eta accordance with these plan;
that the committee could have done otherwise than itushlicji6---'
Besides the question was very fully argued whether had done.
arguments for the 'aCioitp,t(i'o"inu'oPi
Row-
hod Hill's plan should be adopted or not ; and he thi..iu-grhtßtitica-t
if they were to speak on the subject for many count.
they could not tiring such strong
the titan as 'sir l:oA land Hill hail done.
Mr. Councillor WA I.t.acg CI,ItIt I E said there
phelraenh:.edrebeena
distinct objection in the council to log the council uP to Mr'
Howland H plan, or .
ill's if sotne other similar
intro-
duced. And if the council, on reddin,,.; the memorial found
that qualification was not included, there was no disrespect in
begging that these words "or some similar ',lan' were intro-
duced two the memorial now.
objection to ntro-
Mr. Gioncillor li • MSDEN should have no oli• • I •

duct. those words.
Aftor some furiher diccussion the council went to the vote on
Mr. 13,1 ton's atneitiltdoni ; when "there appeared 28 f,,r the

amendment; anti ii against it. ,
Mr. 1-11.AcsuraN .o.j,etetl. in the Closing Sentence riflhe MP.
fi.tba4t"they,hegged,fnrihf ged thiit if any defalcatiim
of the revenur s'onilil arise 'Onirarji In their .c,ipettatiniii. by
doistit.so, stied weit:i,iiipi'esseirtvith the' belief that the country
would wittinoly miik, ate deficiency in smile other %sitv
rather than hireoo the inc,aiinatile advantaves of the proposed
a:teratinns." Now he thought the% were not at all authorised
to sal that the country wout(l under an% circum.taiices sub-
mait to anottier tax. (Dear.) He would therefore propose as ail