The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-11-02 00:00:00

VOTE OF THANKS TO THE MAYOR.

Mr. BLACKBURN begged to claim attention for a few mo-
ments while he addressed himself to the council and not the
chair. He bad to propose a vote of thanks to the mayor,
as the present was the last public appearance previous to the
election. He believed that the members could not do less
than present their thanks to him for the way in which he had
presided over and conducted the business of the council dur-
ing the year he had been in office. For his own part, he could

sure the members would all say that he had gone through the
duties of that office in a way highly honourable to the town
and highly 'l,,,npurable to himself. Ile begged, therefore, to
propose a vote of thanks to him.
Mr. JAMES HORNBY said he could not add a word to
what had been so well and truly said by Mr. Blackburn,
but begged most sincerely to second the proposition.
Mr. ISAAC HOLMES was willing to admit that every one
who undertook the duties of the office of chief magistrate
and discharged them satiafactOrily was deServing of a vote
of thanks. But he could not forget that he had been on
two or three occasions interrupted by the mayor, when he
conceived such interruption uncalled for and unnecessary.
(Hear.) Neither could he forget that he had been present
in the revisinz, court a few days before when Mr. Pin's name
was called. That gentleman, independent of the responsible
situation he filled in connexion with the St. George's Com 7
pany, had, it appeared,-paid his taxes: and yet the decision
of the mayor was, that unless he appeared in the court lie
must be struck off the list ; and struck off he was accord-
ingly. (Hear.) He (Mr. Holmes) considered that there
was a sort of partiality exhibited by the mayor on that occa-
sion. He could not, therefore, join in the vote of thanks
which had been proposed, and he hoped that whoe wer might
• occupy the chair in future would not improperly interrupt
any individual in the council. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HODGSON said he rose with great pain on that occa-
sion because he wished to pay honour to the chair, and al-
ways to render honour to whom honour was due. He had
endeavoured to do so on every occasion ; but, in giving
honour, there was a duty due to himself as well as to those
with whom he was connected, and in the discharge of that
duty it was painful to him to differ from the sentiments of
those who had expressed themselves in favour of the past
'conduct of the chair. (Hear.) Personally he would take no
exception to what had sometimes taken place in the council,
because he cared not for the intvruptions to which, occasion-
ally, he had been subjected ; but he thought, for the honour
of the gentlemen with whom he acted, for the spirit of truth,
and for the maintenance of that dignity which ought to be-
long to the council, that he should be guilty of a dereliction
of duty and a want of moral courage if he did not stand up
and say that the language which had been offered to him by
the mayor at the last meeting of the council ought never to
come from the chair—(hear)—and that it was most unpro-
voked by anything which had fallen from his lips. (Hear,
.hear.) He challenged any gentleman to point a word which
had fallen from him that was calculated to call forth such an
observation as had then been used by the mayor. (Cheers.)
He rep-eat-edit that it was uncalled-for from the chair—that
it was unbecoming as between gentlemen, and that it was
such language as in private society could not be used. (Re:
newed cheers.)
Mr. JORDAN rose to order. (Laughter.) If he was out
of order he would bow to the chair; but he felt bound to say
that the language complained of had been apologised for by
the mayor.

The MAYOR requested Mr. Alderman Hornby to take the
chair as the present was a personal matter in which he could
not interfere.

The Mayor accordingly vacated the chair, and Alderman
Hornby took it immediately.
Mr. HODGSON proceeded to say that the language made
use of by the mayor on the occasion was such as could not
take place between gentlemen a second time in private so-
ciety. He was not accustomed to hear such observations
elsewhere. At the same time he should be very far indeed
from offering a vote of censure on the mayor ; but as the
question had been mooted he felt constrained to tell him what
was not merely his own opinion of his conduct but the com-
monly-expressed opinion of the public out of doors—(hear,
hear)—and he felt that he should be guilty of a dereliction of
that which was due to himself, as well as to the council, if he
had not the moral courage then to express it. He would
offer no opposition to the course which was being pursued
further than retiring from the council when Mr. Blackburn's
motion was about to be put from the chair. (Cheers.)
Mr. EVANS rose, but _ _

Mr. HODGSON continued to say that he had recently felt
extreme disgust at seeing the mayor preside at a party meet-
ing. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. PLATT said that, after Mr. Hodgson had made vari-
ous remarks at the last council in a most uncharitable way,
he concluded by saying that he would always express his sen-
timents in that council in spite of the mayor.
Mr. HODGSON—That was afterwards. (Hear.)
Mr. PLATT believed it was previous—before the mayor
had made the remark which called forth Mr. Hodgson's ire.
He (Mr. Platt) was very near saying at the time that, before
the mayor recalled his expressions, Mr. Hodgson ought to
have been called upon to retract his observations.
Mr. HARBORD said he should not take up the time of the
council on the subject then introduced, but that they were
placed in a very peculiar position, and called upon to express
their sentiments. (Hear.) He could not forget what had
been expressed by the mayor towards the party to which he
had the honour to belong. He could not forget that the
mayor upon that occasion gave expression to unbecoming
language towards himself, because, when he retracted, he
said he did not mean it to apply to Mr. Hodgson, but to
others. (Hear, hear.) Now, what had he (Mr. H.) said?
He had simply asked a question. He had not condemned or
reproached any one. And yet the mayor had the audacity
to say that his words were intended to apply to others who
had spoken prior to Mr. Hodgson! (Hear, nd cheers.) He
was the person who had spoken prior. But, further than
this, some of the constituents whom he represented, and who
had been present at the anti-corn-law meeting lately held in
the Amphitheatre, requested him to state that the mayor had
no right upon that occasion to show partiality, and that he
ought to have given an opportunity to every one to express
their sentiments pro or con. But instead of pursuing such
a course he had acted on quite an opposite principle. It
might be an error of judgement upon his part, or he might
have been under an impression that he was called upon to
preside over a particular party, but whatever was the cause
it ought to be explained; for he should have been no partisan,
and he should have given protection and liberty to all who
wished to express their sentiments. (Hear, hear.) He, for
his part, as one of the representatives of North Toxteth Ward,
wished to say that some of his constituents felt aggrieved at
not having been allowed to express their sentiments, and that
some sort of apology was expected from the mayor. (Hear.)
Mr. EVANS said the council on the present occasion should
not forget that the mayor was under their protection. Gentle-
men were in the habit of calling for his protection ; but the
case was then reversed, and every honourable and laudable
feeling on the part of the council were strongly appealed to
to do justice to their estimable mayor. (Hear.) He had
heard a gentleman speaking of moral courage, but in his
opinion that gentleman was decorating one of the worst feel-
ings of human nature with a very exalted title. If they could
get at the bottom of the feeling which had prompted his
speech against the mayor, they should give it a different
epithet from that of moral courage. There was no morality
about it, neither was there any charity. (Hear.) There had
been, moreover, a violation of all the received compacts of
human life, that when a hasty expression escaped any of
them, and that it was withdrawn, it was never to be
mentioned again. _ _ _ _

Mr. HARIiORD.—It is not withdrawn in this case. (Hear,
hear.)

Mr. EVANS proceeded to say that the pursuance of such a
course was calculated to subvert the principles of peace and
amity on earth ; but this was a principle which formed no
rule of Mr. Hodgson's conduct. The whole tenor of that
gentleman's conduct, so far as he (Mr. Evans) saw, had been
to set man against man in this world, and to produce dissen-
sion and bad feeling. Leaving out the meaning of his words,
there had been a wicked eloquence in the tone of his voice
which was exciting and provoking. He (Mr. Evans) should
be glad to know—he would not say on charity—but on what
principles of justice they could deny the mayor a vote of
thanks for his conduct for the past twelve months? Was it
because of his having, with the aid of the assessors, given a
decision in the registration court which had not been ques-
tioned by much higher authority than any in the council,
and, on the other hand, because an expression, which he
(Mr. Evans) could make very great allowance for, but which
he could not justify the mayor altogether in, had escaped
him ? Was it because he had been guilty of two such insig-
nificant instances, for one of which he had promptly com-
pounded, that they were to deny an act of justice and cour-
tesy to the mayor? If they were all to escape out of this
life with having committed no greater transactions than these
two matters, they would be considered rather above human
nature than below it—they should be something very nearly
perfect. He felt that the mayor's conduct had been correct,
that it had been temperate, that it had been moderate, and
that it had been influenced altogether by a feeling of justice
and a determination to do justice. (Hear.)
Mr. ROBINSON thought the conservatives justified in dif—
fering from the vote of thanks. He spoke the sentiments
of thirty in the council when he said they could not cordially
and generally unite in a vote of thanks. Hear.
Mr. TOULMIN said he could not feel justified in leaving
the room without expressing his decided conviction of the
mayor's gross partiality throughout his year of office. (Hear.)
Mr. BIRKETT said it was with pain he differed from the
expression of a vote of thanks to the mayor, because what-
ever differences of opinion he might have with any gentlemen
lie never intended to act towards him in a personal manner.
He felt, however, that the conduct of the. mayor on many
occasions had been grossly partial. (Hear, hear.) He
was sorry to say so, but he felt that if lie were' to give his
vote in favour of the motion he should be confounding right
and wrong. He begged to recall the attention of the council
to the manner in which the mayor had treated himself'.
(Hear.) He had all along been resolved, no matter what
his feelings might be, to submit to the decision of the chair.
On the first occasion upon which he had ever addressed the
council the mayor allowed the late Mr. Currie to speak
three times. The subject was that of the schools. He (Mr.
B.) intended to have divided the council and to have stated
his reasons for not agreeing to any gentleman being elected
on the committee on the principle which the mayor stated—
namely, that the school was to be conducted as theretofore ;
but the mayor told him that he was out of order, and he sat
down. (Hear.) On another occasion when he made an
amendment on the Finance Committee proceedings, the
mayor stated that he was again out of order. (Hear.)
Previous to his having spoken, lie consulted the town-clerk,
and ascertained from that gentleman that his notice was in
order. The mayor said otherwise, and treated him very un-
handsomely. On another occasion a statement was made in
the council relative to the dock bill, which he thought it right
to answer conceiving that the settlement of that bill had been
on Lord Sandon's recommendation ; but he had scarcely got
up when the mayor contradicted him the most rude manner,
and stated what was anythin but the fact respecting the ori-
gin of the bill. He (Mr.
which was unbecoming either to himself or the council, but
he certainly desired to use the strongest terms towards the
mayor which the council would permit, for at the time he
was a young member, and felt hurt. (Hear.) He asked two
of his friends to accompany him to the noble lord (Sandon)
and in their presence read the sentiments of the mayor to
him, as they appeared in the pages of a radical journal, and
he then asked whether the mayor or himself was right; and
he had his lordship's authority for saying that he had been
stating what was true, and that, when he was contradicted
by the mayor, the contradiction was anything but true. On
another occasion Mr. Gladstone made a statement relative
to Mr. Blackburn. Mr. Blackburn replied, and closed his
speech by charging Mr. Gladstone with malice prepense."
(Hear.) The words had been reported in italics. From
that day to the present he (Mr. B.) had never heard the
mayor call on Mr. Blackburn to unsay what he did, or to
make an apology to Mr. Gladstone. (Hear, hear.) •n a
late occasion language had been used by Mr. Sheil stronger
than he had ever heard in the council, and the msayookreallaofwteerd
it. (Hear, hear.) The only gentleman
wards was Mr. Hodgson. In the first instance Mr. Mr. Har--
bord asked a question ; but the mayor named Mr. Hodgson,
and applied terms to him which could not .'o satisfied was
be iconsidered
other than extremely improper. (Cheers•)
S_y_
Mr. Henry Lawrence with their impropriety, that he imme-
diately asked the mayor why he had used such language , butthe mayor had not made any apology. if he had done so,
he (Mr. B.) would be the last man to get up and refer,
to the
circumstance, because it would be unhandsome so to do.
The words of the mayor merely were, that it he had said
so and so, they were not applied to Mr. Hodgson, but to the
speakers generally." (Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.")
On another occasion, at the close of a debate, Sir Joshua
him (Mr. B.). and
Walmsley made a statement regarding
Mr. Holmes. lie conceived that it was not common. fairness
question, when. be.
in Sir Joshua to make the statement in q
had no opportunity of replying, and that was not fair of
the mayor to interrupt him when he was going to prove that
it was anything but the fact. (Hear.) In his opinion the
mayor ought to have allowed him to proceed ; but the con-
trary had been the case. For these reasons he could not
conscientiously agree to the vote of thanks, because, if. he
were, be should be confounding right and wrong. For him.
self. he would state fearlessly, that he had on all occasions,
in that room as well as out of it, paid the mayor that respect
which he considered due to his office, and that whatever the
conduct of the mayor might have been towards him, nothing

Otarlitt9.

LIVERPOOL CORN EXCHANGE, OCT. 26,

The discouraging prospects of the farmers for some time
past, occasioned by the heavy rains prevalent, with slight
intermissions, during the greater part of the present month,
have been relieved by a favourable change in the weather
since our report of Tuesday last, affording hopes of their being
able shortly to commence sowing Wheat, which hitherto,
from the exceedingly wet state of the soil, has been wholly
impracticable in this district ; meanwhile every possible effort
is being used in order to save the remainder of the potatoes,
which, in many situations, but more especially in the low-
lands recently under water, are found to have been seriously
damaged : of this important article of food, however, and of
the corn crops around us, the latter having been nearly all
secured in September and the first week of this month, a
more accurate opinion may, ere long, be formed. We may,
nevertheless, observe, that although extremely varied, and in
most cases deficient, the bulk of the new Wheat already
brought in by the neighbouring growers proves better in both
quality and condition than is described by our advices from
many other parts of the kingdom.
The duties for the ensuing week are increased on Foreign
Wheat to 245. Bd., on Barley to 10s. 10d., on Rye to 145.,
on Beans and Pease to Bs. per quarter, on Flour to 14s. 10d.
per barrel ; those on Foreign Oats and on all British Colo-
nial produce remaining unaltered. _

In consequence of-adverse winds, we are very scantily
supplied with Grain, Flour, and Oatmeal, coastwise and
from Ireland; and from abroad we have none fresh up'for
to-day.

`Without apparent briskness in any branch of the Corn
trade here from Tuesday's market until to-day, we have
little business to notice during that time beyond occasional
sales of the leading articles upon a limited scale, for immedi-
ate purposes ; but the sellers continuing to evince unabated
confidence, the general quotations of our last circular re-
mained steady. _ _

Upon a very slender attendance of country buyers at our
Corn Exchange this morning, the absence of speculative in-
quiry, and our local millers taking merely sufficient to serve
their present wants ; the transactions in foreign Wheat were
only moderate, whilst of English we had scarcely any sam-
ples offering, and the general runs of Irish were difficult of
sale : all descriptions of this Grain, however, continued to
support the late value, the holders steadily refusing to submit
to lower terms.—Engish, Irish, and foreign Flour ruled nearly
the same in all respects as last noted.
In Barley, Malt, and Beans, no change was apparent.—
Pease, being more saleable, were again Is. to 2s. per quarter
dearer.

Old Oats, being scarce, and wanted for provender, rather
exceeded the advanced rates of Tuesday ; but in any kind of
New there was no improvement.—Oatmeal, although in li-
mited request, fully maintained former prices.

LIVERPOOL COTTON MARKET, 0cT..29.
Another dull and tame day in our Cotton-market, the
sales not exceeding 2,500 to 3,000 bales, barely at yesterday's
prices.—The weekly sales amount to 22,910 bales, of which
1750 are to speculators, and 600 to exporters. Prices on the
whole scarcely as high as this day week, and we close heavily.

COTTON MARKET, N
_OVEMBER
we have no new feature in our Cotton market, it is tame, insipid
and dull, as it possibly can be. yet prices remain firm and steady,
without any decline ; the quantity sold on Saturday was 3000 bales,
and to-day 3300, all to the day.

COTTON MARKET.—WEEKLY REPORT.
The Trade has bought sparingly throughout the week ; and, as
the quantity offering has been considerable,. prices of American
have given way id per lb, at which reduction the market closed
rather dull than otherwise. Brazil and Egyptian without material
change, but almost nominal at the quotations. Speculators have
taken almost 1600 American and 110
.Surat, and Exporters 600 Surat.
XOO Surat are announced for public sale on Friday next 160
American have been forwarded unsold into the country this month.

LIVERPOOL COLONIAL MARKET, OCT. 29.
Sugar. There continues a steady demand, with a moderate supply,
and 200 'Aids. B. P. sold at higher prices. 4700 bags Bengal have
been taken at 72s for good to very fine white, and in proportion
for other descriptions, and 1500 mats Mauritius at the quotations.
Foreign.—The only transaction in these descriptions is a public sale
of 1100 bags of low Manilla, which were taken partly by the Re-
finers, and partly for export, at lOs Gd for low damp, to 14s 6d: for
middling brown. The sales of Molasses this week are confined to
200 puns., chiefly Trinidad ;at 25s 6d per cwt. Coffee.—The transac-
tions in Plantation have been limited to about 30 casks of Jamaica,
at steady rates. 20 frazils Mocoa brought 100 s per cwt. Nothing
done in Foreign. 150 bags Brazil Cocoa sold at a price not named,
200 pockets Malabar Ginger at 15s per cwt., and a small lot of black
Pepper at Sid per lb. Rice has been more inquired, for, and 160 a
bags Bengal sold at 12s Gd to 13s 6d, 200 bags Egyptian at los, and
20 tces. Carolina at 36s per cwt. There are no sales worthy of
notice in Rum.

Tea.—The demand has continued good, and a fair business has
been done at last week's quotations.
Some trifling parcels of Indigo have been sold, without change.
On Wednesday last 400 chests of Shell Lac were offered, but the
demand being so moderate, only 100 sold, at 34s to 52r per ewt.,
with 300 pockets Bengal Turmeric at 253 6d, some small lots of
Arabic and Lac Dye at steady rates, and 280 baskets of Terra
Japonica at 16s to I7s per cwt., duty paid. In Saltpetre the
transactions are 400 bags, at 29s 6d for very good quality, and of
Nitrate of Soda ;00 bags, on rather lower rates.
•

Dyewoods.—The sale's reported are 2.00 tons Tobasco and Cam-
peachy Logwood at £7 15s to £8 12s 6d, according to quality, 120
tons St. Domingo, Honduras and Jamaica at .e 5 5s to £6 5s • 3o
tons Savanilla Fustic at £7, and 20 ton Lima Nicaragua Wood at
.t'l4. The demand for Turpentine has become dull, and prices
have declined, a parcel of fair quality (540 brls.) which was
offered yesterday having been withdrawn, in consequence of
12s being the highest bid, which the holders refused to accept. No
sales repOrted in 'far. At the close of last week there was a brisk
demand for Montreal Pot Ashes, and 300 to 400 brls, were purchased,
principally at 30s 6d, but for some small parcels 31s was obtained,
below which there are no sellers, although the inquiries are uow
only partial. Montreal Pearl Ashes are higher, several parcels
have been sold at 315 to 31s gd, and a few at 32s ; there are sellers,
however, at 31s W, and a few buyers at this price. The demand
for River Plate Hides continue steady, and about 10.000 have been
sold, at 4d to 41d per lb for Ox, and 40 for Cow. Tobacco.—The
sales this week amount to 250 hhcls„ of which 100, chiefly stemmed,
were taken for Ireland. Buyers operate with much caution, and
prices barely supported.
The sales in Brimstone are limited this week to 100 tons, without
change in price. There has been rather more inquiry for Sumac;
300 bags Sicily have been sold at 105 per cwt. for old, and lOs 6d
to ti s for new, als 100 bags Venora at Os gd, and 50 bags Tyrol at
gs 3d per cwt. Nothing done in Argols or Tartar. Small parcels
of Madders sold at the quotations. 80 bales Turkey Madder Roots
at 525, and 100 lihds. Ist Philadelphia Bark, principally at gs, from
ship-side. Only small sales in Olive Oil, at previous prices. Fish
Oils have been in much better demand than for some time past;
30 to 40 tons Seal found buyers at for pale, and proportionate
rates for coloured, and about 20 tuns Cod brought £27 los per ton.
Linseed Oil has advanced to 358, which has been paid, and in some
instances refused by holders. Pale Rape is steady, at 57s for good
quality. Oil of Turpentine is £2 to £3 per ton dearer, £54 having
having been pretty freely given yesterday and to-day. Palm Oil.—
The sales have been extensive, amounting to 800 tons, chiefly at
£32 to £32 10s, although 150 tons for export were sold rather
lower; the consumption appears to be very heavy, assisted. no
doubt, by the present very moderate price. In Hemp or Flax there
is not a single sale to report. The Tallow market has been dull
since our last. and the sales of yellow Candle very limited, at 46s 6d.
3uo casks South American, withdrawn from public sale last Satur-
day, have since been sold privately at from 3gs to 46s per cwt., the
quality being chiefly of the finest sorts.

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SUNDAY, OCTOBER 31.—Wind N.E. moderate.
ARRlVED.—Mazeppa, —, from Bourdeaux.
SAlLED.—Margaret,' King. for Gilboa—Jane, Hamilton, for Con.
stantinople—Calypso, Punchon, for Malta, &c.—Frederich, Fischer,
for Manilla—A. Anderson, Splatt, for Savannah—Centaur, Fox, for
Gibraltar—Agnes, Davison, for Sydney—Chieftain, Payne, for
Bombay—Sarah, Mills, for Newfoundland—and Warman, Gibson,
for Africa.

Liverpool, —, from Liverpool, for St. John, N.B. was spoken
7th October, in lat 42, long 65.
Northern Conference, from Liverpool for Quebec, was
spoken bth October, in lat 12, long 49.
Falkirk, M'Ewen Henriette, Unloff•; Kleini Maria, Hensell;
Julia, M'Nedder, and Lively, Johnson, hence at Pillau
Caron, Potter, hence at Marseilles
• Enigheden, Brandt, hence at Flensburg
Doris, Jones, for London, at Falmouth, with loss of foretopmaat,
at Falmouth.
Corsair, Puth, from Naples, for Liverpool, 28th September.
Clutha, Fox, sailed from Marseilles, for Liverpool, 24th October.
MARGATE, Oct. 29.—The Appenrader Packet, from Altona, for
Liverpool, which was abandoned by the crew, on the Longsand,
yesterday morning, was fallen in with, and brought in here, last
night, leaky, with loss of rudder, anchors and cables.
PENZANCE, Oct. 28.—The Mark Breeds, Wallace, from London,
for Liverpool, and the Gibson, from Cauliff, for Altona, got in
contact this morning, off the Lizard, during a gale at N.E. : the
latter sunk ; only the master saved. The former has put in here,
with trifling damage.
MILFORD, Oct. 27.—The Mary Ann, Thomas, from Wexford, for
Liverpool, has put in here leaky, with cargo shifted and loss of top.
mast, &c.

MONDAY, OCTOBER I.—Wind N.N.W. moderate.
AnnivEn.-:-John Bull, Rodger, from Calcutta—Blair, Oldham,
from Batavia—Goshawk, Willey, from Sydney, N.S.W.—Horatio,
Martin, from Honduras—South Durham, Temple, from Nassau—
Hebe, Wright, and Elizabeth Bentley, , from St. John, N.B.
—Firefly, --, from Smyrna—and Wll 0' the Wisp, Murray,
from Denia.

SAILED.—CIio, Randell, for Gijon—Saxe Gotha, White, for
Bombay—and Bridget, Wade, for Lisbon.

Charlotte, - hence at Jamaica
Duchess of Portland, Roy, from Demerara, at Crookhaven for
Liverpool. On 25th instant, off Tuskar, spoke the Silvanus Jen-
kins, hence to New York

Ayrshire Lass, -, from St. Domingo, off Castletownsend
Wm. Irvine, Mendus, from London; at Falmouth for Liverpool,
with loss of main yard and sails split

Levenside, from Jamaica, at this port ; sailed 18th Sept.
The Flamer (steamer) was to sail with the mails for St. Thomas
and England on the 20th
PORTSMOUTH, Oct; 30.—H.M.S. Isis, (44) will shortly proceed
from Chatham to Liverpool for Volunteers
FALMOUTH, Oct. 31..—H.M. Steamer Styx, that sailed 20th inst.
from Portsmouth for Canada, with Sir Charles Bagott and Suite,
put into Cork 25th, sailed thence 27th, and returned the following
day, with machinery damaged, arrived here yesterday, and pro-
ceeded this morning to the eastward.
Peri, —, from Denia for Liverpool, off Gibraltar Bth instant
Pallas, Green, and Dash, Huntress, hence at Newfoundland
Novo Felix, Costa, hence at St. Michael's
Water Witch, —, hence at Bilboa
Eliza, Foliet, hence for Newfoundland, at Scilly, leaky
Ann, Levie, from Danzic at Aberdeen for Liverpool, last.