The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-11-30 00:00:00

that had taken place this morning four graving docks would
be recommended as far as the_ Shipowners' Association were

concerned; but the shipbuilders would be best able to give

an opinion upon this

Mr. HORSFALL asked which plan Mr. Henderson was
speaking of?
Mr. HEN DEMON --I speak of the large plan.
•

The CHAIRMAN asked Mr. Henderson whether he was
aware that if Mr. Gage's plan were adopted, the committee

would have to go to parliament a

Mr. CHAPMAN said the object of the Shipowners' Asso-
ciation was not at this moment to reopen the question of the
act of parliament, but to recommend Mr. Gage's large plan
to the consideration of the committee. At present the par-
liamentary site being fixed upon, they recommended Mr.
Gage's dock instead of the intended one now before the
committee.

Mr. HENDEnsorr.—Most decidedly.
Mr. AIKEN here suggested that the statements of the va-
rious deputations should be heard before any discussion took

The CHAIRMAN acquiesced, and called up9n the deputa-
tion from the Brazilian Association.
Mr. COTESWORTH said, that along with several other gen-

tlemen the Brazilian Association had compared the plarTs -of
Mr. Gage with those of the Dock Committee, and-had found
a striking difference between them. He woulci, confine him-
self to the space contemplated by the Dock Committee to
work upon. They found, by experience, that by the plan of
the Dock Committee there were eighty vessels out of a work-
ing position, whilst there would be only eight by Mr. Gage's
plan. This circumstance clearly demonstrated that the plan
of Mr. Gage gave greater quay space, placed vessels 41 greater
eecurity, and also left, at the same time, sufficient room for
warehouses. He apprehended it was not the intention of
gentlemen present to enter on the point whether they would
build warehouses or not, and that question was not at all
affected by the opinion the association were now expressing.
The Brazilian Association would recommend that Mr. Gage's
plan, if practicable, should be carried out to the full extent ;
but if it were not, that it should be adopted as far as possible,
and with reference to being carried out ultimately. _

Mr. HORSFALL said M. Cotesworth had not spoken with
certainty whether he would recommend a different plan upon
the present site, or whether they would go all the way from
George's Dock.
Mr. COTESWORTH said he would recommend that the
whole extent of ground be laid out upon Mr. Gage's plan, if
practicable ; but if not practicable, then he would recom-
mend that the land at present laid out according to the Dock
Committee's plan should be laid out upon Mr. Gage's plan,
and that with reference to being ultimately carrying out the
whole of it. _ _ _

At the request of Mr. EVANS, the CHAIRMAN asked Mr.
Cotesworth whether his assessor had made any estimate of
the cost, and of the additional time this plan would require ?
Mr. COTESWORTH replied that if Mr. Gage's plan were
proved the best, there would be abundant funds to carry it
out. It certainly could not be carried out immediately, but
the means of the committee would increase as they went on.
He should think it was very difficult to make a calculation ;
but he might express this, that the plan contemplated for the
site the committee were going to work upon would not cost
more in one case than the other.
Mr. HoRsFALL.—Are you aware that all this could not be
effected without another act of parliament ?
Mr. COTRSWORTH said his feeling on this point was that
such facilities would be afforded for an amendment of the
present act as to ensure to the committee, if they began the
work at present that long before they would require the
amended act, it would be completed.
Mr. SANDS supported the statements of Mr. Cotesworth.
Mr. COTESWORTH begged to ask whether an amended act
would be required to make Mr. Gage's plans to the south ?
The CHAIRMAN.—Our Solicitor is of opinion it would
require an act of parliament, or at least an amended act.
Mr. COTESWORTIL—I should think there is no question
about that being obtained with little difficulty.
Mr. HORSFALL.—Then you do not contemplate disturb-
ing the warehouses ?
Mr. COTESWORTH said the quays could give sheds, or
would give what quantity of warehousing was wanted ; and
if it were important to make the whole number of ware-
houses, that would not interfere with the loading or discharg-
of the ships.
Mr. DUNLOP, on the
_part of_ the Mexican and South

American Association said, that Mr. Gage's i:lai afforded so
much more accommodation both for landing and discharging,
that they could not but strongly recommend its adoption to
the committee. If the large plan were found impractible
the association would strongly recommend the other. They
looked with dismay at a large square dock with very few fa-
cilities for landing and discbarging. Several gentlemen con-
nected with the association had declared that they would
much rather pay one-half more dock dues, and have facilities
nearer the centre of the town, than have the same facilities
straggling away at the other docks far off, at the present
rates.

Mr. TYRER, from the same association, thought it of so
much importance to have the docks near the centre of the
town, that any additional expense was not to be compared
with that. _

Mr. DUNCAN Gum, on behalf of the British and North
American Association, after putting some questions to Mr.
Hartley upon the measurements, expressed at considerable
length the desire of that body that the active commerce of
the port should continue as near the centre of the town as
possible. They thought that Mr. Gage's plan would afford
greater facilities for that purpose than Mr. Hartley's, on
account of the greater quantity of quay room, and the
facilities for loading and unloading.shipping ; and they bad
come to a resolution recommending his plan, but in an
amended form—that embracing graving dock accommodation.
Mr. RANKIN agreed with Mr. Gibb in recommending Mr.
Gage's extended plan with graving dock accommodation ;
and at all events he recommended that the river wall should
be proceeded with upon that principle. He believed there
would be no objection upon parliamentary grounds to Mr.
Gage's plan being proceeded with.
Mr. ROSKELL and Mr. TODD, on the part of the American
Chamber of Commerce, said that although they had not had
an opportunity of examining Mr. Gage a plans, contended
from the amount of American tonnage coming to this port,
that every facility was due to them. The chamber had ex-
pressed an unqualified opinion in favour of the erection of
warehouses.
Mr. FILCHER and Mr. Powitia. said that the Mediter
ranean and Levant Association expressed the regret of that
body that any delay should take place in the construction of
the works.