The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-04-15 00:00:00

THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT,

Sir ROBERT PEEL asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
why artists were excluded from the exhibition of the unsuccess-
ful plans for building the new houses of parliament, and why
the plans of the unsuccessful architects were not exhibited with
the others ?

Thy CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that until Mr.
Barry's plan was finally accepted, it was felt that none of the
successful plans should be patted with. The committee, how-
ever, would resume on Monday ; on Tuesday the three plans
would be sent, and Mr. Barry's afterwards. He was unable to
give au answer to the other question.

MILITARY FLOGGING.

Major FANCOURT gave notice that, when.the mutiny bill was
brought forward, he .would move that flo.gint, in the army be
entirely abolished.

tz DUBLIN OUTRAGE.-STATUE OF WIT.LIAM 111

Sir GEORGE SINCLAILI asked the Secretary for Ireland whe-
ther any official information had been received of the gross
offence said to have been perpetrated in Dublin by the destruc-
tion of the statue of King William ? (Laughter.) He hoped
the glorious, pious, and immortal memory of that monarch would
ever be held in estimation and respect.
Lord MoRPUTH replied, that as yet he had received no official
details on the subject. (Laughter.)

ARMY ESTIMATES.

In a committee of supply Lord Ilowicx moved the remainder
of the army estimates.

STAMP DUTIES' BILL.

The second reading of this bill having been moved, in the
course of a very brief discussion,
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN begged to urge upon thd Chancellor of
the Exchequer the importance of his making some distinct de-
claration with reference to the stamp duty on newspapers in
Ireland. It was intended, it was generally believed, to reduce
the.duty one-half. Ile hoped that some statement would be'
made, in order to pacify the public mind.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that nothing could
be more inconvenient than going into this question at present,
seeing that ample opportunity would be given for doing so on
future occasions. Ile observed, however, that the argument
which had been raised by the press in Ireland was wholly un-
tenable, when it was considered that Irish newspapers were to
be conveyed by the post free. It bad been said that the effect'
of his proposition would be to double the stamp; whereas its
practical effect would be to diminish the stamp to one half what
was now paid in Ireland.
The bill was read a second time, and ordered to be commit-
ted on Friday, the 29th April.

FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave notice that on
Friday, the 29th. April, he would bring forward his financial
statement for the year.
Some other hills before the house were severally forwarded a
stage.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY.
COURT OP CHANCERY.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, after moving for some returns COD..
nected with the subject, which were ordered, gave notice that.
on Thursday next he would bring in two bills, one for the bettor
administration of justice in the Court of Chancery, and the other
to provide for the better disposal of the medical business of that
house.

NON-RESIDENCE AND PLURALITIES.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, as chairman of the eccle-
siastical commission, brought in a bill to amend the laws relat-
ing to pluralities, non-residence, and for the better payment or
curates, which was read alirst time.

PRISONERS COUNSEL BIC I

On the motion of Lord LYNDHURST the evidence taken be-
fore the select committee of last session, on this subject, was
ordered to be printed.
CONSTABULARY FORCE BILL (IRELAND.)
Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading of this bill
which he said was similar to that of last year.
The Earl of H ADDINGTON could not conceive auy two mea
sures more dissimilar than the bill before the house and that of
last year. It would be in the recollection of their lordship
what were the real grounds of their rejecting the bill of,last
year. After 'parliament had been prorogued the rejection of
that bill had bee& made the subject of complaint against their
lordships, and a great deal of itinerant oratory had been be-
stowed upon them, having for its object holding that house up
to public odium, and to call for a reform of it, which in other
words meant the abolition of the House of Lords. (Hear.)
Although his Majesty's ministers did not join in that crusade,
yet there were two persons, holding high official situations under
them, who wore silk gowns and wigs, and were members of the
other house of parliament, who did do so. During the recess, these
two gentlemen visited their constituents; he alluded to the So-
licitor-General, who, at a meeting at Edinburgh—(No, no.)
Lord LYNDHURST.—The Attorney •General.

The Earl of lIADDINGTON.-- The Attorney-General, he
meant, at a meeting at Edinburgh, addressed his electors, but
he did not, however, go the length that the Attorney-General
for Ireland did—he being the other gentleman to whom he al-
luded—when addressing his constituents at Dungarvon ; but in
the course of their speeches they had both dealt hardly with the
House of Lords, and although the Attorney-General fur England
did not speak in terms so harsh of that house as the other hon.
and learned member, yet by their speeches they gave weight to
the abuse and vulgar slang which had of late prevailed against
the House of Peers. The Attorney-General. for Ireland told
his constituents he could conceive no reasonable ground for the
rejection of the measure except that it was an economical mea-
sure, and calculated to diminish the expense of the police.
(" Hear," and a laugh.) • In the second place he informed them
that it was rejected because it contained a clause which pre-
vented any person, who had taken an oath to belong to an
orange or secret society, from being employed in any way in
the police. Now, this was thought by that' gentleman, or de-
scribed as being so, a goodposition for the rejection of the bill ;
and the hearers marked their disapprobation by groans. (Hear.)
Now, what were the real grounds of the rejection of that mea-
sure ? Not because it contained such a clause as that described,
nor on account pf its being a measure of economy, but because
it came up fronithe House of Commons at a period so late that
it was impossible that it could be discussed. (Hear, hear.)
The bill, as he recollected, was brought into the House of Com-
mons on the 10th day of August last, and was introduced into
the House of Lords on the 20th of that month, it having passed
through the House of Commons, almost without any discussion,
and without explanation of its details, and it was rejected by
their lordships because they did not like to have the responsi,
bility of passing such a measure at tbat late period of the ses-
sion, when it was impossible that it could undergo the consi-
deration requisite for it. That learned gentleman, to whose
speech he had alluded, was himself the introducer of the bill,
and had likewise introduced the present hill, and it furnished a
triumphant answer for their lordships, if an alteration in the
measure were desirable, for never were two bills, as he had al-
ready intimated, more dissimilar. He insist say, that the first bill
was one of the most slovenly pieces of I gislation which he had
ever witnessed. His lordship then proceeded to compare and ex-
amine the merits of the two hills, and said, in conclust in, that by
the bill of last session there were 32 county inspectors and one
for the city of the county of Cork to be appointed, with salaries of
£3OO per annum each, making a sum of £9,900; b t tt is bill
proposed to have 42 inspectors, not with salaries of £3OO
a year, but of £5OO per annuni. (Hear and a laugh.) By ihe
bill of last session there were to be 132 sub-inspectors, t £lOl
each: he supposed they were to be taken from that class of r el--
sons who usually filled the office of chief constable. But since
this a new light; it appeared, had broken in upon ministers;, for
in the present )measure there were to he only 42 appointed; but
then they weriV.to have a salary of £250 a year each. He
thought that the increase of expenditure under the present bill
beyond that of last year would prove to be considerable. He
held in his hand a statement of the total amount of the probable
expenditure under both bills, but he could not say positively
that it was accurate in every minute particular, but he believed
it might be relied upon. For the bill of last year, including
£70,()00 for the clothing, horses, &c., the estimate to which he
was about to refer of the expenditure under it amounted to
£316,630; whereas the expenditure of the present bill amounted
to £406,080, thus making a difference in the expenses of .
£60,450. ( Hear.)- The noble earl then went on to contend
that no person could be so fit to appoint constables as the ma-
gistrates; and he called upon ministers to protect the magis-
tracy of Ireland, for they were most deserving of it. (Hear.)
He for one, and he believed he spoke the sense of his noble
friends on that side of the house, would not oppose any measure
which went to make the police force of Ireland. upon which so
much depended, more efficient; but this he must say, that he
did object to this gratuitous, this lavish waste of patronage which
the bill created; and ho also distrusted the present government,
being unwilling to throw into their hands so .much patronage;
but he did not distrust them on their own account, but on ac-
count of those whose support they possessed, and without which'
they would not preserve their power a single hour. (Hear.)
The noble earl then gave notice, that on 'Thursday he should
move for some returns connected with the expense of the present
system of police in Ireland.
Lord DUNCANNON, in explanation, said he was aware of the
difference between the late and present bills. All that he meant
was, that they were the same in principle.

The Duke of WELLINGTON said it was not worth while en-
tering into a discussion of the difference between the present
bill and that of last season; but still there was one view of the
subject which he would just state. The bill of last session would
have cost te country onl £6,000 a year, being about
£lOO,OOO more th co was the cost 034 f the existing system, which
was somewhere about £250,000. The bill now proposed, how-.
ever, would cost about £4/5,000, being nearly £lOO,OOO more •
than the bill of last year, and £200,000 more than the expense •
of the constabulary force. (Hear, hear.) Their lordships ought
to be well convinced of the benefits which would accrue from
this force; before they adopted such a system, when the bill
should be in committee. 'I here was a very great difference be-
tween the two bills in a variety of circumstances, but chiefly it'
the matter of expense, as he had stated. He admitted that be
came down to the house with a strong feeling with respect to
the dismissal of the whole of the present force which had been
set set ving the country for so long a period. The noble lord haul-
however, stated that it was not intended that the discnissa.
should take place; but still he thought it would be but right i°
put a few words in the bill to the effect that it was not intendea
at once to put an end to this force, though it might be quite
right to let the Lord-Lieutenant have the power of dismissal as
might be deemed expedient. He felt a great objection—a°
objection which would be also strongly felt in the country—te
the enormous appointments which were at once to take place-7.
upwards of 100 at salaries of £3OO, £4OO, £5OO, and so °tl
though hitherto the police force had been canted on at half 11;ai,_!,
expense. He hoped that noble lords would consider of this
committee with a view to amend it as far as might seem neces,
sary. He had a very strong feeling relative to the expense (3,:f
this bill, for half of it would fall on the landed proprietors
,us
Ireland. The expense at present to the landed proprietors u'a,
£lOO,OOO, but hereafter it would be £200,000. (Hear, hea,t,:;
Besides this, the bill was now rendered more strict as to the
of this force for the recovery of either tithe or rent. Thus tbe3
would have a double expenditure to defray, while they wou'