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a moderate Puseyite, and said he was no suck
thing, but, he hoped, a _ good honest-hearted mem-
ber of the Church of England--(loud cheers}--
one who consistently and conscientiously believed air thy -
doctrines of that church as found in the Book of Comm.*
Prayer, and ready upon all occasions to defend it. (Con-
tinued cheers.) As to the canons of the church, though
he would defend their principles, and was bound to obey
them, yet he was not bound to agree in all of them-
any more than he was with the acts of Parliament
which passed the legislature. (Loud cheers.) The .
reverend gentleman concluded with, a powerful appeal
on the subject, and resumed his seat amid loud cheer*.
from all sides.

The Rev. Mr. Por.Locx, at this stage of the proceed—
ings, announced that, in a few days, a full and authentic
report of the discussion would be 'published in the form
of a pamphlet. _ _

Mr. Afraid, again presented himself, and proceeded
1 to notice seriatim the arguments of Mr. Baylee, which .
he stated, in his opinion, to be no arguments at all_
There might be argument and reason in what the rtst.
gentleman had advanced ; but for his part, he (Mr. M.)
confessed that he was not clear enough in intellect to
perceive it. Perhaps some quick-sighted people pre-
sent might be capable of doing so—(hear hear, and
cheers) ;—but if so, he could assure them that it- would
not be found in the synagogue. (Loud laughter.)
He was astonished to bear the manner in which Mr..
Baylee talked of the synagogue; for he defied him to
prove the existence of the synagogue from the Scriptures_
He repudiated the sneer that had been cast upon the ai- -
seaters by his reverend opponent, when he talked or
their cash being the chief consideration which stimulated
them in their exertions against the church connection-
In reply to that wrong insinuation, lie would merely re-
mark, that in this country, when the court was most de-
based by profligacy, the church polluted by licenciousuess,.
and the people degraded under the iron hoof of despotisns
there never had been a word said in defence of t?ie
church ; but the moment that it was sought to.
reform the state of things—to take from the Bishops.
their enormous incomes, and apply their revenues to sortie
useful purpose, then at once resounded from one end of
the land to the other the cry of " Church in Danger."
(Cries of `' No, no.") With respect to the challenge which
Mr. Baylee had read, he begged leave to say that the
Anti-State Church Association was a body formed fin- a
specific purpose, having a definite end, aim, and object in
view ; and as this challenge broached upon the truth.
or error of certain creeds, it being a body formed at
the members of all religious creeds, could not entertain
it. They sought not to raise oriel creed upon the ruins of
another. They merely wished that no religion should he
connected with the state, and therefore it would be foreigi
to their purpose to enter into any religious disputations
whatever. Under these circumstances, he begged leave
to decline the offer of his reverend opponent. In the
Anti-State Church Association they had as good Pro-
testants as were to be found anywhere. (Applause.)
After thanking his own friends for the kind and patirmt
hearing which they had given him, Mr. Miall resumed his
seat, loudly applauded by them.
The Rev. Mr. BAYLEE again presented himself to close
the discussion. On rising, he was met with the most
rapturous and enthusiastic demonstrations of applause,.
which lasted for several minutes. When silence was re-
stored, he proceeded to say that he would begin by stating
that he gave no challenge whatever to the Anti-State
Church Association. They would remember . that on
Friday evening last he was called on by Mr. Miall to,
prove their right to be regarded in the same light, witk
reference to the question of church government, as the
Levitical ministers of the old law were. If that subject,
therefore, was irrelevant to the discussion, the fault of
its introduction was not to be charged against him (Mr..
Baylee), but against his opponent. - (Hear, hear.)
He noticed, however, lest it might be assumed hereafter,
if he had passed the matter over, that he was unwilling to
meet him upon the point. (Cheers.) If a deputation
from a public body came down to them, and put such a
question on that platform, it was only from that he should
get the only answer which could be properly given to it.
(Cheers.) He also denied his assertion, when he state&
tilt there were as good churchmen members of the Anti-
State Church Association as any on that platform,
(Cheers.) He could easily excuse the small sallies of
petulant wit which his friend indulged in during the course-
of his last speech. He (Mr. B.) did not pretend to any pecu-
liar sanctification more than his brethren by whom he was
surrounded ; but, nevertheless, he trusted that he was too
much a christian to forget himself so far as to descend to.
the introduction of any snatches from the popular airs of
tunes of the day to gild his eloquence with, or to cast
ridicule upon the arguments of his friend, if he
conscientiously felt that he o uld not meet theist
in the fair spirit of a man, whose only aim
in discussing any question was to arrive at the
truth. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) It might be said
by some, that it was in the spirit of ridicule that he (Mr..
B.) had spoken of the Sunday schools; but if any there
were were present who thought so, he begged leave, in
the most sincere manner, to assure them that they were
in error. No ; his observations on that point were
intended more as a rebuke than for ridicule. (Hear, hear.).
It was very singular that even in the last speech they had
just heard from Mr. Miall he should have given theta
another strikinginstanceolthiswantof knowledge of the Old,
testament. In that speech he (Mr. B.) was called upon. to
prove that any synagogues existed. (Hear, and laughter.).
Now, that he could easily do ; and for that purpose Ise
would only refer them to the 74th psalm, where they
would find it stated in the Bth verse, " that they have
burned up all the synagogues of God in the land." (Hear.
hear, hear.) They were only indebted to the new;
mode of rationalism for the coldness which men.
I possessed when on a public platform, there could be
found one who would stand up and deny the. existence of
the synagogue. That savoured more of the new systems
of German rationalism' bordering on infidelity, than of the.
good old and religious English system of reading the bible..
What, he would ask, was the synagogue but the house isr
which the people met to offer up the worship and adora-
tion of their hearts to the Most High ; and if so, WM4 it'
not evident to any truly Christianly rational man that.
such a house must be one of the " synagogues of the land."
He was sorry that the matter regarding Job had been re-
newed by Mr. Miall ; and he was still more sorry to find
an enlightened gentleman like him attempting to defend
a mistake, so palpable that even the youngest child
in an ordinary Sabbath school, would be capable of
correcting him upon it. (Hear, hear, and cheers.)
How, he would again ask, could that be Mosaic,
which belonged to Job's time ? Job was not a Jew, and
therefore his system could not have been Jelish. The
reverend gentleman then proceeded to recapitulate the,
principal points of his arguments in the preceding;
speeches ; after which, he said that he would assert
again and again, that all the principles contained in •
the Mosaic dispensation were but principles ; and that;
they were not at liberty to exercise any power over
their fellow-men except what God had given them :
and if they found in the Mosaic dispensation the non-.
persecuting principle as fully developed as it is under the
Christian, and if he found that liberty of conscience,
was repeated, he could see no reason why fault could be
found with it. (Hear, hear.) For his own part, he was
prepared to assert the same liberty of conscience
now, that the Mosaic dispensation did then. (Cheers.)
If they found that the Jew—the circumcised Jew—was
compelled to be a Jew, he would say that when
God commanded it to be so, who dare oppose his
puny will to that dread command. (Loud cheers.)
If a similar command was promulgated by the Lord of
Hosts at the present time, it would vindicate what same
aright term persecution, if it had the authority of God..
They were not bound to admit all that belonged to
Levitical legislation, whilst they were bound to vindicate
all that was good, high, noble, and holy in the system, as
delivered by the Creator of the universe to the prophets.:
Mr:Miall had referred, amongst other matters which were
beside the argument of the question, to English history„,
at a period when there was despotism in the kingdom
and corruption in the court. On that subject he would
just ask Mr. Miall if, taking English history for their guide,
he would meet him to discuss that point. (Hear, hear,
and cheers.) He would ask what good had ever volun-
taryism done for the people, the kingdom, or the
Church of Christ ? (Hear, hear, and cries of "Nothing."
They had had a trial of it now for three hundred years, asull
lie (Mr. B.) was at a loss to discern the good it had ever
affected (" Hear, hear," and cheers., If he had the op-
portunity afforded him he would expose the error of a
system whose greatest good during ..the three hundred
years of its existence was to fill the land with Unitarian-
ism and infidelity, and such . other sects, the doc-
trines of which merged too closely on broad and undis-
guised infidelity to be regarded with ranch respect by
any Christian man. (" hear, hear," and cheers.)
In order to find out the working of the system they
needed not leave their own town. (Hear, He would ask.
them to reflect on the fact, that in Liverpool, whenever a
voluntary chapel was pulled down,. for the purpose of
being rebuilt it never was again erected in a poor part of
the town : in fact,. thesystem did not seem to be inclined
to suit itself to the spiritual wants of the poor. (Cheers.)
After some further observations, the reverend gentleman
proceeded to express his desire that, if any of his hearers
were present, they would offer up their prayers to the
Lord, beseeching Him to enable their bishops and clergy
to merit the blessing of God when he said " Them that
honour me, I will honour." Mr. Baylee then resumed
his seat amid repeated rounds of applauSe.
The Meeting was then closed with suitable devotional
exercises.

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