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HOUSE OF LORDS.-TUESDAY

The Marquis of WESTraEATH asked if the noble Marquis
(of Normanby) had not, in a letter to the lord-lieutenant of
the Queen's County, designated some gentlemen as a Roman
Catholic " Rector." Unless he had heard this from the
noble marquis himself, he could scarcely credit it, when he
recollected how anxious the Roman Catholic clergy were
to re-assert those titles.
The Marquis of Normanby said, that in his answer to a
letter from Lord Rosse, he believed he had used the expres-
sion ; but he had done so in error, and quite unintentionally.
The noble marquis took that opportunity of reading letters
from various law officers of the crown, asserting that Mr.
Biddulph had expressed his satisfaction at the jury empanel-
led to try the parties who had attempted, as was alleged, to
assassinate him.
The Earl of CHARLEVILLE once more read the letter of
Mr. Biddulph, denying that he had done so, and said that
whichever party was right, justice had not been done, and
the public mind never could be satisfied, knowing that three
ribandmen were upon the jury.
The Earl of WICKLOW said he was bound in justice to the
noble marquis to declare, without offering any opinion as to
the discrepancy between the parties, that he considered the
noble marquis to have been fully justified in the statement he
had made on a former occasion, and that he was also justified
in still retaining the same opinions.
The Marquis of NORM AN BY felt it only necessary for him
to protest against the supposition that there were three ri-
bandmen on the jury adverted to.
The Earl of FALMOUTH presented a petition from Truro,
praying for inquiry into the reasons which had caused the
removal of the West India packet station from Falmouth to
Dartmouth. _ _ _ _

This lead to some discussion, in the course of which Lord
MELBOURNE stated that the Admiralty had deputed three
gentlemen to inquire as to the best port from whence the
mails should be despatched ; and they had reported in favour
of Dartmouth. The packets were really to depart from
Southampton, and were only to call for the mails at Dart-
mouth. .

The Marquis of NORMANBY postponed the Drainage of
Buildings bill until Friday ; and their lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY.
Notice was given by Mr. EASTROPE that he would move
on the 11th of May, for leave to bring in a bill for the abo•
lition of church-rates. _ .

Air. oved for the appointment of a select
committee, to inquire into the comparative advantages of the
southern ports of England, as points from whence to despatch
the West India mails. The hon. gentleman contended that
no port offered such extensive advantages as Falmouth, from
whence, however, the packets had been withdrawn in order
to be transferred to Dartmouth, from motives of private and
local interest. The public had a right, when an inferior port
was selected, to have an inquiry instituted with a view to
ascertain which was really the port best suited, or what might
be the reasons for selecting that which was manifestly least
suited for the purpose.
C.
Sir LEMON seconded the motion.
_ _

Mr. F. H. BERKELEY contendeClii;at Bristol was the best
port for the purpose, particularly if the mails were to be con-
veyed by steam-vessels.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the go-
vernment had been solely actuated by the desire of consult-
ing the true interests of the public. They had no power to
compel the company, who had taken the contract, to make
any port their station—they could only decide upon the place
at which the mails were to be taken up, and they had, ac-
cordingly, decided upon Dartmouth.
Sir H. VIVIAN was of opinion that Falmouth was the
preferable porz from whence to send the mails, inasmuch as
it was 56 miles nearer to the West Indies than Dartmouth.
Mr. O'CONNELL contended, that the best ports would
have been Valentia, Cork, or Bearhaven, in the south of Ire-
land, from whence a steamer would take only seven or eight
days to go to Halifax.
Mr. HUME thought the statement made by the Chancellor
of the Exchequer quite satisfactory.
Sir J. SEALE was of opinion, that Dartmouth was the
most eligible port, the harbour being remarkably safe, and
decidedly the best in the channel for the purpose.
After some further discussion, the motion of Mr. Fresh-
field was carried, by a majority of 54 against 50.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, moved the appointment of a
justice. more
committee to consider the expediency of erecting a building
in the neighbourhood of the inns of court, for the sittings of
the courts of law and equity,in lieu of the present courts
wadithmianitivtireawtiotno
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adjoining
speedy,
effectual

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in moving the order of the day for the
house resolving itself into committee on the parliamentary
voters (Ireland) bill, explained the course which government
intended to pursue with respect to it. He said it was the
opinion of the ministry that the vote of Monday night could
not be considered as conclusive on a question of such impor-
tance. The second reading of the bill, containing, as it did,
the proposal for a £5 franchise, had been affirmed by no less
than 301 members of that house ; and the amendment, which
had been carried on Monday night, was not moved with the
view of negativing any franchise proposed by the bill, but
was moved by his noble friend (Lord Howick) as a kind of
franchise which he thought good, and which, he proposed as
an addition to the franchise proposed by the bill. It would
be perfectly consistent, if the house should adopt the fran-
chise proposed by government, that it should also adopt the
franchise of his noble friend as an addition to it. He should
therefore proceed with the bill, and ask the sense of the
house upon the franchise proposed by his noble friend (Lord
Morpeth).
Lord HouricK said it might be convenient to the house, if
he stated to the house the course he meant to pursue. H e
still continued of opinion that the county franchise should
be settled upon the principle he had proposed, retaining the
existing franchise of beneficial interests, and opening up a
further franchise] by means of occupation. The house had
affirmed the principle of s property qualification, and he
would say in reference to what had fallen from his noble
friend (Lord J. Russell), that he never would have dreamed
of proposfng his amendment, except as an addition to some
other franchise. If the house should agree upon some other
franchise, he should then, and in that case only, move his
amendments. The most important of the amendments was,
that which went to alter the occupation franchise, by doing
away with the necessity of a lease. He would not, however,
interfere with the progress of the measure before the house,
by proposing amendments which, though it his opinion, per-
fectly satisfactory, had, nevertheless, no chance of being ac-
quisced in by the house. At the same time, this amendment
falling to the ground, it was quite impossible for him to sup-
port the clause the government were about to bring under
the consideration of the house. The proposal of a clause
which there was no probalility would pass into a law, would
have the effect of leaving this subject another year without
any attempt to remedy its evils. Neither could lie support
the bill of his noble fi iend (Lord Stanley), believing, as he
did, that nearly all the evils of the Irish system of registra-
tion flowed from the undefined state of the franchise, which
no bill merely dealing with the registration could possibly
remedy or remove.
Sir R. PEEL felt it necessary to explain the course he had
thought it right to take in the debate of Monday, and the
position in which the question now stood. He understood
that her Majesty's government had undertaken to settle the
great question of defining the franchise, and correcting the
abuses of the registration system. Instead, however, of de-
fining the franchise, the government had brought forward a
proposition for totally subverting the franchise, and for sub-
stituting another in its room—a franchise founded upon oc-
cupancy as tested by rating for counties, and a £5 franchise
for boroughs. This he understood the noble lord (Howick)
to object to, and to propose in lieu of it the principle of the
beneficial interest. Under these circumstances they ap-
proached the discussion, and he for one certainly thought
they were discussing the great principle of the bill. Now,
however, the noble lord opposite (Lord John Russell) stated
that, as it was only proposed as an additional franchise, there
would be no inconsistency in admitting it, not as a substitute,
but as a supplemental franchise. The noble lord (Howich)
had stated it to be so in the first instance, and the hon. mem-
ber for Halifax had explained it very clearly, and said they
would never have dreamed of bringing it forward except to
supply a defect in, and to add to another mode of franchise.
Yet the noble lord then opposed most strenuously the
amendment so framed, which he was now willing to adopt.
He thought the noble lord, in bringing forward a bill of such
importance as this, should be able to give to the house an
assurance that there was reasonable ground for supposing
that it would pass in the other House of Parliament. Some
papers had been laid on the table of the house that very day,
which showed how difficult it was with the present informa-
tion to define the proper franchise for Ireland. One of these
reports stated explicitly that there were no means of judging
what number of electors would be created in Ireland by any
given amount of rating, combined with tenure. He thought
they would be guilty of exciting false expectations if they
supported an experiment like this, with the details of which
they had not sufficient means of be coming acquainted.
Lord MORPETH defended the course pnrsued by the go-
vernment, and said that though government was prepared to
admit the amendment of Lord Howick as an addition to the
franchise, yet they still insisted on the alternative condition
of a rating to the annual value of £B, and upon, this £8
rating they were determined to take the sense of'the house.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON contended that the noble lord
had entirely mistaken what had fallen from the right hon.
baronet. _ _ _

Mr. H. GRATTAN commented strongly on what he called
the political jugglery carried on in the house, and taunted
Lord Howick for being satisfied with obtaining a majority
against his friends, and then backing out of his proposition
in the best way be could.
The house then went into committee, and the first clause
as amended was agreed to.
When the second clause was proposed, Mr. HUME moved
an amendment, the effect of which would be to render
leaseslinnecessary to qualify parties to vote, and to substi-
tute a simple occupancy. Some technical difficulty arose,
and in order to effect his object, he moved that a lease of
one year should be sufficient to qualify an elector.
After some discussion, Lord J. RUSSELL said he would
not deny that a franchise grounded upon occupation might
be beneficial in Ireland, but he was not so far satisfied that
such a franchise would not lead to great evils as to justify
him in adopting it. He feared the voters under such a
tenure would be too far dependent upon their landlords to
render it prudent to grant it. The noble lord expressed a
hope that the house would not refuse to millions of Roman
Catholics their constitutional rights, who, if they had not in
that house a legitimate channel for the expression of their
grievances, might have recourse to the more dangerous sys-
tem of clubs and secret associations.
Sir R. PEEL said they had now before them the original
proposition of the government, and a division as to whether
one or fourteen years should be adopted would not be mate-
rial, he would rather have the hill exactly as her majesty's
government wished to place it before the house, it being per-
fectly ndtorious that when the clause came to be proposed he
shonld give his vote against it altogether. If, therefore, the
amendment of the hon. member for Kilkenny was pressed to
a division, he would vote against it, in order that the division
might be fairly taken upon the proposition of the govern-
ment.
After a few observations from Mr. C. Woon,
Mr. SHELL, in supporting the proposition of the govern-
' went, reminded Lord Howick that he had voted with Lord
Althorp in opposing the Chandos clause of the Reform Bill,
and yet he sought to extend a similar franchise to Ireland.
He also took the opportunity of assuring Mr. Hume that al-
though be was member for Kilkeuny, he knew no more, nay,
knew far less, of the feelings and habits and character of the
people of Ireland than he (Mr. Sheil) did of the people of
Middlesex. Unless they were prepared to give the protec-
tion of the ballot, he called upon them not to confer a fran-
chise which must make the party who received either a slave
or a martyr—which would inevitably drive him to servitude
the most ignominious, or to the most disastrous ruin. He
thought that when the right hon. baronet (Sir R. Peel) found
fault with the government in a speech pregnant with the most
subtle disquisition, he ought at the same time that he was
finding fault with all the details of the bill, to have stated
what it was that he thought government ought to do, or what
he would himself propose to have done were he at the head
of the government.
Mr. O'CONNELL said it was unnecessary to divide the
house on the amendment, for the clause was an affimative
one, and he might at any time after move that a lease for
one year should be sufficient also to entitle a man to vote.
The government would vote against his hon. friend (Mr.
Hume), and so would the right hon. baronet (Sir R. Peel),
and he had therefore not the smallest hope of carrying his
arr.endment. He would vote in favour of the government
measure because it would be beneficial to Ireland, and he
trusted the house would also support it, for by so doing they
would conciliate a people easily governed through the medium
of their affections.
On a division, Mr. Hume's amendment was negatived by
a majority of 513 to 47.
Mr. HLME moved that the blank in the clause for the
rating should be filled up with the words " five pounds,"
instead of " eight pounds," as proposed by the government.
Lord MORPETH said the sum of £8 was fixed upon in
order to conciliate as large a number as possible of the
friends of Ireland, and he saw nothing to be ashamed of in
adopting such a course.
Mr. O'CONNELL supported the proposition of Mr.

flume. - • • _
The committee again divided, and the motion of Mr.
H,ume was defeated by a majority of 434 to 126.
Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the chairman should report
progress, it being past 12 o'clock ; but the motion was de-
feated by 428 to 98.
Mr. O'CONNELL moved that the chairman should leave
the chair. The hon. and learned gentleman finding that if
his motion were carried the bill would be lost, wished to
withdraw it, but would not be allowed to do so by the oppo-
sition benches.
Mr. WAKLEY then animadverted severely on the difficulty
in which they had been placed by the vacillating conduct of
the Government, and expressed his surprise that, after the
division of Monday, they should have the courage to face the

house. •
Lord J. RUSSELL defended the course pursued by the Go-
vernment in altering the franchise so as to meet the views of
many of the hon. members on his own side of the house, and
commented on the acrimony of the attack made upon them
by the hon. member for Finsbury. If the clause before the
house should be carried, he should certainly proceed with the
bill, but if not carried he saw no use in proceeding with the
remaining clauses.
Mr. JERvis complained that Mr. O'Connell was not al-
lowed to withdraw a motion inadvertently made.
Mr. C. WOOD said he was opposed to the clause, but could
be no party to defeating the bill by dividing on such an
amendment as this.
Sir R. PEEL thought it would be more satisfactory to take
the decision upon the merits of the clause itself rather than
by taking advantage of a motion inadvertently made by a
friend of the bill. If, however, they waived the advantage
thus given them, it should be on the understanding that to-
morrow (Thursday) they should resume the bill and come to
a decision upon the merits. •
The arrangement was agreed to by Lord J. RUSSELL, the
house reeumed, the orders of the day were disposed of, and
the house adjourned.

TIDE TABI

1 Mrn

n.

Sundays, Holydays,

R. V. R. H. I P. 1
Friday ..30 637 720 11 10
Saturday 1 8 0 S3B 12 8
Sunday.. 2 9 8 935 14 4
Monday 3 956 10 16 15 3
Tuesday 4 10 35 10 53 16 11
Wednes. 5 11 11 11 29 17 8
Thursday 6 11 47 --- 17 6

Duke Wellington b. 1769.
3rd Sunday after Easter.
Jamaica discovered 1495.
Sun rises 2h. 22m.
Napoleon died 1821.
South Sea Co. formed 1710

AN ACCOUNT OF CATTLE IMPORTED
Into LivisitrooL, from the 20th to the 26th inst., inclusive.
FROM IRELAND.
Cows. Sheep. Pigs. Horses. Mules. Calves. Lambs
1529 1829 3780 67 __ 0 420
Prey.. 13367 27796 19293 295 -- 68 2054
COASTWISS.
145 1216 -- 3 -- —. __
Prey.. 814 11847 289 13 .._
-- --

Georgetown, Bell, hence at Madeira 25th March, and sailed 27th
for Batavia
Kate Nickclby, —, hence at the Mauritius
Lord Paninore, hence at Havana
Acadia (steamer), Miller. hence at Boston
I.oochoo, —, and Sweeden, Iloman, hence at ditto
Hebrew, Carr, hence at Mobile
Kent, from Berbice at ditto
Britannia, Cook, hence at New Orleans
•Swatiton, Heath, hence at ditto
Cambridge, Bursley. hence at New York
Roscoe, Huttlestone. hence at ditto
Moslem, M'Laren, hence at ditto
Lady Campbell, —, from Bermuda at ditto 7th April in 8 day s
George Rea, —, hence at Savannah
Sarah, Cousens, rom Newport at ditto
Dona Maria, Millard, hence at Odessa
Sylphide, Malm, hence at Trieste
Centaur, Fox, hence and Cork at Gibraltar
Tryo, Mitchell, hence and Dublin at ditto
Narciso, Martino, from Licato at ditto, and sailed for this port
10th April
Mary, Bond, from Smyrna and Malta, at ditto. and sailed for this
11th April
Redbreast, Bence, from Naples at ditto, and sailed the 13th April
for this port.
Puella, —, hence off Malagar 9th instant
Recovery, Blackstone,
ackstone, hence at Figueira
Serela, Santos; Garopa, Souza; Ace of Trumps, Lidstone ;
Arrow, Robinson, and Espadarte, Setubal. hence at Lisbon.
Liberal, Mendes ; Mores., Neves, and Duque de Braganza,
Martin, hence at Oporto.
Norval Wills, hence at Copenhagen
Neptunus, Voss, from Rostock for this port at Elsineur
Johanna & Heinrich, Brandt; Boreas, Friers; Emil 'Georg,
Lieckfield ; Stadt Canamin, Miller; Presto. Regese, and Leopol-
dine, Schultz, from Stettin for this port at Elsineur
Jane, Evans, sailed from Lisbon 13th Aprl, and Eugenia,
Farracao, on the 16th—both for this port.
Ilebe, Thompson, sailed from Cadiz, for this port the 9th April
Fulmar, Reeves, sailed from Gibraltar for this port the Bth April
Angelo Matteo, Pugnaletto, sailed from Trieste for this port 15th
April
Halcyon, Le Cheur, from Monte Video at Cove.
Denmark, hence for New Orleans, was spoken 2
50 0, lon. 9 0.
MAURITIUS, 23rd Jan.—The John Marsh, Hawkins, from New-
castle to Aden, which put in here 17th instant damaged, is dis-
charging, and it is expected will require considerable repairs.
MOBILE, 29th March.—The Napoleon, Sherman, from Liverpool,
that was ashore on Sand Island, is bilged, half full of water, and
nearly imbedded in the sand ; sails and rigging saved; a lighter
will be sent down to bring up the cables and anchors; the vessel
will be a total loss. _ _

4th April, in lat.

GIBRALTAR, 15th April.—The Caroline Stanley, from Malta to
Liverpool, put in here 13th inst. to ship a new bowaprit, having
been in contact on the 11th instant behind the Rock, with the
Numa (transport) which has also put in with trifling damage. The
Caroline sailed again this day.

THURSDAY, APRIL 29.—Wind E.S.E. light

ADRIVED.—Ocean, Daly, from New Orleans—Vrow Trentje, De
Boer, from Groningen—and Magdalen, Bowen, from London.
SAt LED.—Nereid, Reeves, for Alexandria—Calcutta, Lingard, for
Bombay—Seafiower, Forster, for Dordt—Birmingham, Robinson,
for New York—Leewarden, Nieber, for Zwollc—Gustav, Tirling,
for Wolgast—Sjourmenta, Schoßea, for Groningen—Orpheus,
Cole, for New York—Triton, Scotgie, for Malta, &c.—Avon, Rob.
inson, for Honduras—Philomela, sprot, for Cade de Verds, &c.—
Samuel Robertson, Mayhew, for New Bedford—Mary, Sewell, for
Jamaica—Colonist. Driscol, for Tortola—Wm. Witham, Brown, for
Rotterdam—Dos Amigos, Campos, for Oporto—and Ambassador.
Tate, for Madras.

Gondolier, Oliver, hence to China, was spoken in lat. 3 S, long
20 W

Esperance, Mackie, from the Mauritius, off Portsmouth
A quantity of timber and wreck was passed in lat. 2 N, long. 23
W. by the Fourteen, arrived in the Downs

Candidate, James, from Alexandria, at Malta, for Liverpool,
after touching the ground, but without damage
Trinity Yacht, hence to St. Michael's, was spoken Bth instant, in
lat. 39, long. 23
Law Ogilvy, Morris, sailed from amyrna 7th April, and Galatea,
Palmer, Bth, both for Liverpool
Elizabeth, Wilson, and King of Tyre, Smardon, hence at the
Cove, both for Newfoundland
Mars, Morgan, hence for Dordt, at Milford
MILFORD, April 27.—Harrier, Beasley, from Liverpool to Rot-
terdam, which put in here leaky, has been repaired;and is ready for
sea.

SAVANNAH, March 23.—Prince of Waterloo, Edwards, arrived
here to-day from Liverpool, very leaky, having been on shore
south of the bar for 14 hours.

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