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110 USE OF- COMMONS.—TwEsnAy.

Mr. Mtintz; for Birmingham, and Mr. Hutchins, for Fal-
mouth, took the oaths and their seats.

THE CHARTISTS AT MONMOUTH

Mr. WA !: presented a petition from -10 .persons ap-
pointed at a public meeting to- constitute.a committee on the
subject re:Teeting the chartists of Wales, convicted of high
treason—narnely FrOst, Williams, and Jones,. praying the
house to adopt.an address toiler Majesty to give effect to the
recommendations of the juries for mercy. The hon. member
said that it was net .his intention to found any motion on
petition ; he should leave the subject in the hands of the Go-
vernment.. The petitioners represented that they urgently'
approached the -house ;• because they had heard with some
consternation, thakpreparations were making for the execu-
tion even during the time that arguments were proceeding be-
fore all the judges in 'Westminster Hall, on the point of law
reserved by the judges of the special commission on the trial
of the prif.oners.

Most of the notices that stood on the paper were then de-
ferred, in order to, make way for the motion of the evening.
Several-questions, however, were then put.
Mr. PEcTon, asked. whether Government had. taken any
partsin the negotiations of Begara ; and also whether they had
sanctioned in any way the detention of Don Carlos,?
Lord PALMERSTON, in answer, said that any direct ..part
had not. been taken by her Majesty's agents there ; but that
the British officers in the north of Spain had rendered assist.
ance iii bringing about the communication. that led to the
convention referred to. He also stated that Government
had undoubtedly expressed an opinion that Don Carlos ought
not, for the general interests of the powers, to be left free to
return to Spain without some previous arrangements be-
tween him and the Spanish government.
Mr. MAcr.EAN asked whether Captain Elliot, in China,
had issued a notice demanding the delivery of opium into the
hands of the British superintendent, &c.
Lord PA LII EASTON stated that he had, and that the papers
relating to the subject would be produced—viz., those moved
for by Mr. Crawford.
In answer to another question from. the,, same gentleman,
Lord PALMERSTON said that it was 'not the intention. of
government to propose a- vote. for the payncent of claims, and
that he was sure the house would excuse further explanations
of the.conrse to .be.adopted, at least at present.
Lord Samos having asked a question respecting the Bri-
tish claimants.on Portugal,
Lord PALArEasTostated that the POrtirguese govern-
ment appeared clesirous..to, satisfy them;4ll.(l.th:at lierMa-
jeSty's Minister at •Lislibri had received' inStriretibns upon the
subject: - •• ; • .... . .
Lord PALMERSTON *AS understood to'say answer to a
question froth Mr.' Maclean) that no measures had been
adopted to secure the payment of the debt due from Spain to
this country.

WANT OF CONFIDENCE IN MINISTERS.
Sir J. Y. BULLT:R, in proposing a resolution " That her
M tjesty's Government, as at present constituted, does not
possess the confidence of this house," stated the reasons that
induced him nndet take that task, and said thatimne•could
fail to see - that the present discontent and aspect of affithas
originated in the system pursued by ministers during the last
few years; Thoae'ministers, he contended, had encroached
more on the patronage of various departments of the govern-
ment than any whit had preceded them. He referred to the
misconduct of ministers at home, and concluded by saying,
that he would leave to Others the duty of entering into the
administration's mismanagement and neglect abroad. • -'•
Mr. Alder Man Tii-omPsiarsi seconded. the resolution; and
affirmed that government did-not possess (as it ought) moral
influence overthcbantry. This was shoWn- in many ways,
and in none .`more strikingly than- in- the recent affairs at
Newport, where the leader of the mob was one WhO had.heen
,•
appointed magistrate by Lord John Russell. •
Sir GEORGE Gilgit resisted the motion, In a .specch.-of
great eloge,!nce and ability. He defended his colleagues and -
a,:-.'-oeiates-,with infinite spirit - in a manner,* Elia, Which
just Vied the exuberant grttiLarte' with. which `the ministerial
received his cleyer declamation. • The speech, how-
ever;wA; after all,. only; kpiece of ingenious special plead-
ing :—it was less.* defence ,of whig policy, than a skilful
attempt to inculpate the policy that mittf, according to his
assumptions, bOAArts'ilaUby -the conServative.firty; Sir
Gearg•eamainlaiined, .thanthe,speeehes of.the mover
aanger ..,CtintaMed..nothing •ftetv,. with the eseeption'of one
,single"topic. one toaie was Chartism. All the other
-matter- might have.-beeri adduced at any period within the
laSt five years -as affording grounds for withdrawing_ from
ministers the, confidence of the .House of Commons. To the
conaideratiedef the causes of Chartism, therefore, after some
dallying with minor topics, Sir George Grey proceeded to
address 'himself. • lie denied that chartiSin was caused -by
any tampering on the part of ministers with popular passions.
When conservatives alleged that the reform bill was carried
by Maitation, he .would have them recollect•that the-:'reform
bill 'this not carried by the present ministers; rand that,
moreover, Lord Stanley and Sir James Graham were entitled
to their full •share of the raise or -blatne of that measure,
and of the methodS.by whichit was carried. • The real cause
of chartist'', , according to Sir George Grey, is to be looked
fOr hi the agitation against 'the new poor law..; and that agi-
tation, in the •right horn baronet's opinion, was. fomented
exclusivelyfhr•eonservatic•es. The Nmscrrvatives, therefore,
in conformity- With the 'reasonings of Sir George, are the
authors. of Char/isn't:. • •The -proof 'a dirueed Was,, that, in his
late canvass for. Southwark, Mr. Walter 'received " the aid
of the incendiary, - °Atter:" This 'exquisite specimen of
logiC *as hailed, with. delight by _the' -treasury benches.
Sir George Grey dilated, Moreover; on thd -vagueness of the
motion before the house. - Why, he. asked;'aliould Conserva-
tives shelter themselves in generalities as to the nature of the
policy by which they Worild, if in office,.govern the country?
The cause of .the adoption of these generalities lie deelared to
be,'the divisions in the Conservative party—diVisions proved,
as he alleged, by the recent debate on the question of privi-
lege, and by' the views expressed during his late canvass at
Devonport by Mr. Dawson on the subject of the corn laws.
Lord GRANViLLE Sosis:RSET confined himself to the sub-
ject of the chartists,' The rule said to have been acted on in
Frost's case had not been observed in others, for instance, at
Bristol, where Lord John had disregarded the leeornritenda-
tion of the• town-council.- 'The appointment of Frost to the:!
magistracy had. had great influence in encouraging thd out- •
break. his political character was the same both before and
• and after his appointment, being twice marked by the repro-
bation of the judges. • The fact was, notified to Lord John
Russell, ande the- verification of. it'Offeredi' S.et the appoint-
ment went forward. The facts could be proved, if it were .
desired; at the •bar'of the house. -Angthergreat cause of mis-
chief was the circulation- of Vincent's newspaper in the ills-•
tnnhed, parts :of Wales:. „Nothing-- had bet 4one to suppress
it; and even now the feeling,caused by4it had not been put
down.. An irritation prevailed which hurt Mar the pros-.
perity .of those districts for years. Unless you put down se-
. dition and blasphemy, you might appoint a'pecial commissions
from time to time, but. you. would not obtain tranquillity.
The people had seen agitation rewarded in Ireland, and they
thought it would succeed in England.
Mr. tiAavlis entered into statistical and commercial state-
- ments to :allow, that the country was in a prOsperoua condi-
tion. They consisted chiefly of returns, exhibiting an mtg.-.
mented consumption of exciseable articles, but the augmenta-
tion did rot appear to be greater than • the mere increase of
population-would account for.
. • Mr, Co.l•QuaouN met him upon his statistical and. com-
mercial grounds, and then proceeded to general topics. In
speaking of the removal of Mr. Boulton, the chief justice of
Newfoundland,
whom the government sacrificed on the plea
that he was too much of a politician, Mr: Colquhoun ob-
- served that they laad.not been so cautious'when they offered
the chief .barony of Ireland to Mr. O'Connell. ' He objected,
also to their-appointment of Mr. Shiel, not, however, onthe
ground of that gentleman's religious, but of his political sen-
, timents. Sir 0. Grey had talked about disunion among
conservatives, but on what questions were the existing Ca-
binet agreed ? On ballot,? on corn laws ?on extension of
suffrage ? They used to talk of referring everything to the
people ; would they now
giVe the people a' chance by a disso-
lutiore?

Mr. GJSBORNE,
'and
4.
those st
i'c
k broad-
who camef next, attempted humour, but
,several times. He attempted
lhikrock;isedoown-ne
p_anegyrics,on.Sir Robert Peel,
which, for the last fortuitghhet, have been the fashion with the
piaisperesumption to believe that he
liberals,
as if they-had
to.endure.their alliance. 7
mr..D'isit.t.giA observed tglinaasttin(-::
could be iionght by their.
praises
last spring
resi,.ougrhiti:etO explain what had hap-
aintteddnaosttrtohneng
_ etobtauti ttrly'evy.
acknowledged, by their'
the confidence of the house
ed that they could not form
constituted a middle
limed to.carn it for them since.
ogoneve,ia-nnadie.eilirte,nbumtatdheeiltvlangusicarditmtiitl:tlt
theyor
severity,
ofyttaepeope. But
party. Strong measures, measures
inveXty, were not
wanted, but a strong government—strong sympathy of
tah:beeiirn_,fl;enstial classes, and the support
the support the whigs obtained was •oni _t of the new
i:o.eroulugt,l:sand mercy.the . new corporations, created by themselves.
Jury had
in the house dealt with them as a late • •
"one with its prisoners—found them guilty, but recommended
Mr. ENVAIIT, and Mr. WHITE, of Sun_
resolutione Sr
adjournmentllarnldi 'r. a\l I- ER N
followeduY' on the
The remaining
the debate was moved by Mr. Litton.
princembefortc gla.
accordingly,
usreieneeisys;
aa
ns
(di disposed f: -;a the earebni
bill
rot
ordered
thered
grant of a sum not exceeding- X 30,000 to
to be brouOit in aad.the.house adjourned.

HOUSE O
LORDS.—WEDNE:MAY,
The _House of Lords did not assemble this day.

Rutland,
HOUSE OF COMmoNs vt, ,c,, v.
on from Lincoln, pray-
ing Noel took his seat for 114-- "7"N'''''''
Lord SANnroun presented a
ing for inquiry into the progress of and the adop-
tion of such remedy as the house mi'gjentlism,
there would be report ? •
Lord ASHLEY asked whethentheiniut.olVnkb,,lit•
to lay betbre the house the factory continii
iVir.-F.• iliLitutt answered that
"to, produce it wben.-it was ready. ~ . no objection
Lord•INGESTRIE wished to knowwhefher the appointment
of the .magistrates, recommended by the majority of the
town council of Lichfield, would he persevered in.
' Mr. F. MATJLE stated that, as yet, only one gentleman
had been appointed.
WANT OF CONFIDENCE -IN MINISTERS.
The adjourned debate was then resumed, on the resolution