The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-03-13 00:00:00

ADJOURNED MEETING OF TILE LIVERPOOL
OF Tilt!: LONDON HIBERNIAN SOCIETY,

On Friday, at twelve o'clock, au adjourned meeting of the
friemis of this society, was held at the Music-hall, Bold-street.
A number of the cleig of the town occupied the platform,
amongst whom, was the Rev. Dr. Cook, of Belfast. We regret
that the comparative importance of the meeting will not war-
rant us in giving more than a brief abstract of his very brilliant
speech, which occupied upwards of two hours in the delivery.
About 3JO persons were assembled, a large portion of the audi-
ence consisting of ladies. The Rev. Dr. Ralph was called to
the chair.
The CHAIRMAN before opening the business of the meeting
requested the Rev. Mr. linuxao open the meeting:with prayer.
'The CH A IttNIAN' then said, for the information of many who
were preseut that day, it might be necessary to state, that the
meeting had been called owing to some mistake, about publish-
ing the former one, by which the attendance was exceedingly
thin. It gratified thearto observe, that the attendance that day
was gieatly increased,.. though they could not but still feel sur-
prised, that a society so,excellent in its principles, and so catho-
lic in its spirit, Should not unite a greater number of friends—
should not excite a greater degree of interest. They were all
aware, there was no want of sympathy ill this country with the
distresses of the sister land, whether temporal or spiritual; for
their wauts were made known to them through a variety of
channels, but, unfortunately, frequently not with the right
means. This society would lay the axe at the root of the tree
of the evils of Ireland, and would. inculcate the doctrines, and
precepts of the scriptures amongst the people. The education
proposed to be given under the superintendence of the society,
was not merely intellectual, for that education would not re-
form the character of men; nor was it a partial scriptural edu-
cation—an education on which they could not look for the
blessing of God. It took the whole scriptures, and•thus con-
templated, first, the highest interests of the Irish, their spiritual
education, and through that it improved their temporal educa-
tion, and would e!evate them in the scale of nations. And this
was not a matter of theory; it a matter of tried experience.
If they would read the account of Scotland, by that celebrated
patriot Fletcher, in the year 1798, they would find that it pre-
sented just the peculiarities of Ireland at the present day. But
through the medium of its parish schools, Scotland had worked
the rev4stion in its social character, which now distinguished
it. It had been imagined, that by introducing the masters of
these schools, the satne results would follow elsewhere, forgetful
that the principle, which was the .cause, was scriptural .eduua-
tion. (Hear.) These schools were framed exclusively fur
teaching the Bible, and the fundamental principle of the edu-
cation given, was scriptural instruction. They only wanted
this for Ireland. - was not a matter of theory; it was a mat-
ter of experiment, that the Bible was the great means of mo-
ralizing txrankind.
The' Rev. Mr. KNox, then read- the• report of the society.
'The committee could not but regret, that inure liberal eontti--
'liutions had not been made on behalf of the. society. There
were wally calls on the country; but still, an institution for the
promotion of the glory of God, and the 'benefit of the people
of Ireland, by diffusing sound scriptural education through the
country, ought not to languish for the want of pecuniary sup-
port, which it was in the power of the Christians of this-country
to afford. They Were confident, that if this society received the
support which it merited, it would do more to afford scriptural
education throughout Ireland than any other Christian society.
The number of children taught in the schools the last year was,
135,933, and the number of schools belonging to 'the society
2355. The masters of the schoOls were paid according to the
proficiency of the pupils, and not a fixed salary. The cern-.
mittee were quite satisfied, that the system pursued u as the best
that could be devised for giving a scriptural education to the
rising generation.
The Rev. Mr. JAMES, the treasurer, read the statement of
occounts, from which it appealed, that the total receipts were,
£174 3s. Bd.; that £74 2s. 6d.'had been remitted to the parent
society, and that £lOO Is. 2d-.- remained, the balance, in the
bank.
HattalsoN moved briefly, that the report, and statement
of accounts be received.
The Rev. Mr. Bayma rose to second the resolution. He
could not refrain froni bearing his testimony of support to a
society which sought.4o accomplish ends so great ands() lastin
as did the Hibernian Society—which did not contemplateg
merely the purification of moral abuses, but which sought to
elevate man not .Only in the scale of humanity, but also to pre-
pare him for that world where human nature should be raised
to its highest pitch of perfection, and where all the saints were
perfect as our Father who isin heaven. is perfect. It was gra-
tifying to observe the increase of the labours of the society. In
1815, there' were 11,000 scholars _connected with time schools;
and in 1837 the number was increased to 135,933 scholars. As
the society had thus far successfully proceeded, they should feel
stimulated, to increased • exertion ; and they should pour out
their souls to God that he would open the windows of heaven
audaremilr out his spirit of blessing on the country, that there
might be room enough to receive it. They knew the influence
of these schools on the minds of youth. The former generation
had had their minds preoccupied by prejudice and their moral
qualities depraved by early habits of lukewarinness in seeking
after the truths of religion, or from positive opposition. to the
way of salvation. Whereas, they took the children' and pre-
occupied that ground which was previously taken by prejudice,
in order to put them in possessiou of the knowledge of the truth,
whose value was unspeakable and whose results were everlast-
ing. Look again at experiment, and not resting theircause ou
untried theory, they went to the poor of their sister countly and
communicated to them that instruction which should become,
through the, influence of habit, a part of themselves. And,
though their exertions had hitherto not realised that success
which they might have desired, yet they must look forward and
anticipate the ultimate consequences of their present course.
Though they might not see the population disenthralling them-
selves from spiritual despotism—though they might not see
them coming out and being separate from au ungodly system,
yet they might repose in the prospect that there was much of
leaven placed amongst the youth of Ireland, which should dis-
seminate itself amongst them; and, as their children ruse up,
it should extend yet wider, and the expansive principle of truth
and the spiritualizing principle of Christ's holy religion should
not only extend itself widely over time present but permanently
and effectively over all future generations. (Hear.) He con-
cluded with seconding the resolution, which was carried unani-
mously.
The Rev. FIELDING OULD rose to propose the next resolu-
tion, "'That this meeting hears with Much satisfactieu and
thankfulness the progress which the London Hibernian Society
has made do r ing the past years, being eonvinced that its
efforts, under the divine blessing, to promote the scriptui atedu-
cation of individuals of all denominations in Ireland tends to
promote the peace and happiness of that country." When he
was invited to attend the meeting that day, it was urged upon
him, to induce his compliance, that unless he and others of the
church did so time interests of the society were likely to suffer;
for the churchmen were likely to abstain from -attendance on
account of the connexion of the society with dissenters; and
also that dissenters, on account of its connexion with the church,
would do the same. He therefore felt it his duty to attend, and
felt convinced Olathe was in his proper place, not because of
the connexions of the society, hut• because of its objects—its
glorious design of extending the knowledge which was life
eternal to the pour children of his native laud, and because its
object was to promote the glory of Ged. The resolution which
he had beeu requested to move cutled for an expression of
thankfulness from the meeting for the progress that the society
had made during the past year. He might be allowed to go a
little Maher back and remind the meeting of what the society
had accomplished from the commencement of its labours in the
year 180(3; and he. was much mistaken if the mere announce-
ment of every individual item of the report of the society should
not be found to furnish anunanswerable argument to all there
for its support. It was a fact that this society had established
2,355 schools, which were at that time in full operation, and in
those schools were educated 135,933 children.. It was also a
fact that there were 30,000 Rowan catholic children receiving
scriptural education in those schools; and upwards 416—very
nearly 17,000 children receiving Sabbath instruction under the
care of this society, that had no other opportunity of receiving
any instruction whatever. It was also a fact that the sticiety
had 9,000 adult scholars and 117 Irish-speaking individuals
under its own care, who were taught, through the medium of
their own language, the way of salvation. It was also a fact
that the education of the children of these schools cost the so-
ciety only the small sum of 2s. Gd. each in the year. So t hat each
individual there that day who subscribed that amount would
be instrumental iu providing scriptural education for one year
for one Irish child. There were features in the character of this
society which it was important to mentit-In ; it was that the teach-
ers were
paid according to the proficiency wade by the
children.
No teacher received any portion'of his salary until a very par-
ticular inspection of each school had taken place—an inspection
nut
nly
battaken o
under the supervision of the inspector
of the
society,
the visitors; and it was uuly after the satisfac-
toryo tefn
progress of each child had been demonstrated, that the
school-master received any portion of his salary. Another re-
markable tait was, that the society required the scriptures to
be committed to memory; and one delightful instance was re-
corded of a Roman Catholic girl, who repeated 2 chapters of
the scriptures by heart to obtain a copy of the word of God.
Having alluded to the operations of this society, he should be
effused if he made au observation, which he knew would be
called for, oft the unhappy difference or opinion between this
society and the Sunday School society for Ireland. It was.
avowed that the Sunday schools established by this society were
found to interfere with the Sunday schools established by the
Sunday School Society. That difference had been completely
removed, and this society established no schools, in any parish,
where it found any schools in operation; This society was also
totally distinct from the Irish society. The Irish society
laboured exclusively with the Irish speaking population, which
scarcely exceeded two millions, whilst this society almost exclu-
sively confined itself' to these of the population who spoke En-
glish. The resolution affirmed that the tendency of this so-
ciety was to promote the peace and- happiness of the country.
Ile believed that just in proportion as any individual was made
acquainted with the wort of God, his own peace was promoted
amid ilthis were true of individuals, it toast be true of families,

of nations. and of empires. The Lord Lieutenant of one
county in Ireland had made a statement in his place in parlia-
ment that 670 murders had been committed in one county in 3

years, the greater portion of which were committed with impu-
nity. And if it were a fact that there was the smallest possible

were a fact on the other hand, thatin
quantity of scriptural education given
thein thatiltu tycceorunneo,eanntidesif
eift
Fri
he thought they had a
that comparatively little crime prevailed,
system of scriptural
the province of Ulster, where scriptural education prevail,
the peace and
o
e made to establish a
educationright tco
didme ietondthaendcot
nut
founded on scripture. A gentleman
system of educationwas)cl conclusion
thatet: procuretti.ls'
happiness of the country. Attempts were
n on sub-
f •of
which had been printed in the a pamphlet; and
had made a speech at the Mechanics' Intlitutia tl •
jest, form
hgentleman speak? He said, " we have all one final
o
thisppiness in a higher and better world." And then he
sail,• " In our Father's house there are many mansions, but not
less are there many roads by which • those mansions may be
Zect did; happiness
reached." (Expressions of horror.) This was a speech which
was delivered to a very large audience, and was received with
bud cheers—that while there were many mansions in heaven,
there were many roads by which those mansions; could be
reached. That was just the principie sought to be established.
that every man might go to heaven his awn way as it was called,
but which frequently led every man to belt his own way. The
scripture said there was but one way. "The Lord Jesus Christ
is the way, and tiny one who endeavours to enter by another
is a thief and a rubber." The orator of whom he spoke went on
to say "the human heart is elevated by education." UtihaPPv
in,:st be the statemf that country where the human heart is only
elevated by education. Did the works of the French revolution
exhibit this. Did Rousseau, or Voltaire, bothfedncated men,
exhibit any elevation of the heart by education r He grieved
to say that principles such as those contended for in the publi-
cation which he held in. his hand were very prevalent at the
present day. A great number of individuals from whom it
would he ieust expected, were found to_,,,contend that the best
thing that,could be for this country, would be the establishment
of forced schools by secular rates, and that no altar should be
erected in those schools but what should be erected to "the un- .
known Gpd." This society being for the difl'usion of the word'
of (iod, and for his glory; he could not see oil what principle
they could stand aloof or withhold their support from such an
institution.. They might be opposed by great difficulties in their
undertaking, but if they were determined to succeed they were
sure to do so.

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The Rev, J. Nt:vtr.LE HoItTON TtiomAs rose to second the
Tesolutiun. He could not understaud how they could look coldly

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• ' '•on an institution like this.. Ile deprecated the teaching of the
scriptures by parts, as was attempted by the Irish NalieneiS:e-
riety. Mr. O'Connell, when lately accused before the house
Commons of a foul and scandalous libel on the tory
that house, had desired that the whole of his speech might
read, which contained the libel complained of as be contendedbede-
that the full and proper meauirg of any part could:not,
,__
duced from the extracted part. And if' this were true, Its he
(Mr. 'H orton) contended it was, of Mr. O'Connell's small eestel,
was it not true of the stupendous works and promises of
_hoer
Almighty as contained in His word. Would the advocates
extracts contend that thesfull and proper meaning of the Bible
Fon-
members.oei
could be obtained from extracts, when the same persons
edxfthraactttsh,e,rfui‘lilratoid,cporoniiTeripmsepaanlitnryg cluitutiled
were not pure enough for their children. Were not the se,PoPci-,
was contended by these advocates of extracts, that the scriptures
tures said to be a tnirrorreflecting, not only the nature of _
ftreonidne
but the nature of every human being ? He concluded' alterT!
speech of considerable length in seconding the resolution; 'Iln!
the course of his observations he said, owing to the en,gagemie
of this adjourned meeting, they had been prevented from f?ere__,
iug an auxiliary society that year at Manchester, and had been
obliged to decline the aid bf the Manchester clergy, whichh
would in all probability have produced the society £5O, wh"',
snpoetetehi obtained t
it
he conceived the public of Liverpool were in a manner halm.
to make good to them.
The CIIA !RATAN said if every individual present were to give
half a clown it would be just the thing.
The Rev. Dr. Cook of Belfast, ruse to propose the next re-
solution, and was received with loud cheering. The resolution
counnittedto him was, that the friends of scriptural educa-
tion do feel themselves called upon to use their exertions to in-
crease the funds of this institution." The resolution was very
simple, if the call contained in the resolution were as easily
attended to. He thought, however, it had been said by, a great
man of a neighbouring principality, "He could call
spirits
from the vasty deep." But another great man wondered yell
much it' they would "come when he did call." (A laue.h
Ile felt in seconding this resolution somewhat like-a second
Owen Glendower, and called, not upon spirite, but upon sove-
reigns, and not front the vasty deep of the Mersey, but from
their pockets, And as to whether the spirits would-come, he
might be permitted, with no less a person than harry Percy to
doubt. It would be for the meeting to prove whether the
Chairman's call was to be realized. All he could say was, if It
were to be realized, he had no judgment. In attempting to ad-
vocate the resolution which was put into his hands, there were
several facts which he felt himself bound to advert to. And the
first of these was, that the people of England were said tO.be a
most thinking people. The people of Ireland were said to be a
most feeling people, and that they could be set on fir'e•like
gunpowder, but that it was as difficult to set the other on tire a 9
it was to fire the Mersey. His object was not to set English-
men on fire; but to attempt to reason with them as alnost
thinking people, and to endeavour to show them the claims that
Ireland had on their generosity and aid. But before he did so,
he considered that every Englishman had a right to ask hint
this question—" What dO you need? Have you not £50,000
of the public money to teach the public of Ireland, and-are you
not promised to have £200,000 a-year to educate the poor of
Ireland? Now, what possibly more can you waist? When you
consider also what is done in building school-houses; what more
than all this can we possibly want for the poor of Ireland?"
Now he thought this was a great question which every Irish-
man who came to claim the sympathy of England was bound to
answer; and if they were not able to answer this question, and
most satisfactorily, then he said the duty of the people of
England was to button up their pockets and not give them a
single farthing. He would leave the whole question to turn on
that single point. Notwithstandingthey had all these grants,
their claims on England were not diminished, and their neces-
sities were not diminished. For, although thse £200,000 were
increased to one million, he stood before them -to demonstrate
that they had not received one single farthing for the true -and
proper, objects of a nation's education. He felt that in• advo-
cating this view of the subject be was standing on the place, as
it were, where the first war trumpet against. English education
was sounded, and where the first re-echo of the-responding
trumpet was sounded, and where if each horseman did not
draw his battle blade, yet many a. one drew-. his quill
and rallied on paper; and there were bold hearts and spirit-
stirring voices that arose in defence of scriptural education;
and it they were not jible to drive the enemy back over the
channel, they at least raised up a counteractinglattlernent from
which they might point the artillery of truth,-until, in due.time,
their point blank shot would drive down the erection of (lie ene-
my to pieces. He rejoiced that an Irishman had made the first
stand against thin system in the person :of the Rey..klugh
M'Neile, whose eloquence was wanted in Ireland. He wished
to impress on the minds. of the audience, that what they wanted
in Ireland was not au Irish want; it was the world's want; it
was the priuciple of the world's regeneration put-into parts; it
was no less than the free and uninutilated Bible. Had the
werld ever been scripturally educated by the fettered Bible?
Did God fetter the Bible when he gave its primary elements in
the books of the law to Moses ? No, he said, they, were to
teach it diligently to their children. They were to teach its
laws diligently by the way side and in the houses, and write
them on the doors that every one might see them. The free-
dom of the world had been attained when the freedom of the
Bible had beemattained. When the mind was made free by
the presence of the word of God, it was giving civil and religi-
ous liberty to both body and mind. But was his civil liberty
carried out if any wan could send him to Loretto, to give a new
petticoat to the virgin ? It was to Protestants, that Wyman,
Catholic countries were indebted for whatevertivil and religious.
liberty they enjoyed. The greatest mistake that man could
make was to suppose that popery was religion. •He admitted
that it had a part that was religion; that it had the creed of
Pope Pius, the catechism of Trent, and all the articles of Trent,
and a host of councils; that it had an innuinmerable multitude'
of persons that were called the Fathers, and for aught he cared,.
they might call them grandfathers. But this he knew, that whiter •
we had these persons to teach scripture according the unani-.
mous consent of the Fathers, the unanimous consent of the Fa-
thers was the true terra incognita of Roman Catholic geogra-
pay; it was the north-west passage of the human intellect.—
( Hear and cheers.) He contended that popery was a Limner-
/1i object
thect of
Prichy, and religion was but a part and parcel of the monarchy.
It was merely a monarchy with one' man at Rome at its head,
with his cardinals as councils, and innumerable clergyto*ee-
force ,tris decrees. This universal monarchy over the. ininde
a bodies of men was the
andth te,s,iensgtlaeb
)thtaictipiniesstioturtfiroenedo.TZ
oppose this
were the objects of the institution which they were now engag-
ed to advocate. Another reason why they wanted assistance is
despite of what they had gut, was, because what they had got
was not good'. He wanted no nian to take advantago of him in
argument. God forbid that they should refuse extracts their
schools. They had '
uo ()ejection whatsoever to the'usen of scrip-
ture extracts. Why, then, did they object When they' could
have those extracts every day in their schools? Why, just be-
cause these extracts were not the Bible. Thew knew very= :yell
En gland when they were all anxious about the great work of
Ret'ortn•
They had placarded statements of " the bill the
, whole bill, and nothing but the bill," and they had got the bill,
the whole bill, and he knew not how much more than the hill.
They had got the extracts, but they would not take them per-
verted. They would not take them in the new translation by men
not authorised, and of whose capacities for it, let every one read
jthe late examination.,l; of the committee before parliament, and
udge for themselves.' And they would not take a little more;
they would not take just the least infusiuu of popery in the
world. They knew very well when a man wanted to gain an
object, he,did not generally ask the largest demand, but asked
a very very little. There could not have been a smaller request
than that to our first parents, just to eat the fruit. If Satan
had asked one half of the globe, and the public desecration of
the Almighty, this would have been too terrible a thing to have
been complied with; but it was the smallest thing in the world
that was asked. Just so when he tempted of Saviour, it was
the smallest thing in the world that be asked, just s~cotumand
these stones to be made bread," " cast yourself- down from' the
temple," " bow down and worship," and, that for the whole
world. Some of the extracts might be correct, but some
were incorrect he knew, but • just with the smallest infu-
sion of popery in the world. This little drop of poison in
infancy might prepare the man in after life to swallow poi-
son without doubt, and without fear. In the present system
of national education the priest promised to cecourage the
parson, and the parson promised to encourage the priest, while
they all of them knew, that neither of then) meant to perform
what he prumised, and all this in order to promote national
ethicatiote They said in Scotland, " gill' gaff makes good
friends." The priest promised to encourage what he called
heresy, and the parson promised to encourage what he called
idolatry, and blasphemy. He did not know whether this might
make the priest and Protestant good friends, but this he knew,
it would make them hypocrites and rogues. But it was said
" when we profess to eta:outage one another, we don't profess
to encoutee one another at all, but only to permit one another.
This might be the meaning of the word according to the new
edition of Johnson. He alluded to the inismanagement, and
carelessness, or rather to the want of any mauagement of the
national education comtnittee. They touk no care whatever as
to the particular management of any school, and attended to no
complaint. They were like the Gods Of Epicurus, too high to
take cognizance of things beneath. Their system was only to
be introduced four hours a day. Could a man he honest for
twenty hours, and suiret.der -his honesty for four? Could be,
be twenty hours an honest man, and four hours a bit of a,
rogue ? A little impurity rendered impure the whole stream,
and a man who was a rogue for four hours, was so for the whole
twenty-four. But this .was the system; get in the fiuger, work
in the whole hand, and when the baud was worked in the shac-
kle was contained on it. And like the boy, who went to catch,
the horse, who put the bridle behind his back, and when the foolish horse came to the bribe of oats he seized him, anrb
he bridled him, and he backed him. (Cheers,) It hack been
said, by a great warrior, that a great nation could not have a
little war; so Protestantism could not have 'a little war. He
concluded, after a very brilliant speech, in which he was fre,
quently loudly cheered, and which occupied about two hours ire
the delivery, with moving the resolution.
The Rev. Mr. James briefly seconded the resolutions which
was unanimously adopted.
The
HAIRMAN after congratulating the meeting on the
unanimity, and order, which had presented, dissolved the meet.
ing about four o'clock. A collection was made at the dooors.

r. Ewan Was first retUrneal to parliament as a tory repre—
sentative of Blotchingley.
, HEMP oAtit.Es.-43 the institution of civil engineers, at its.
last meeting, a paper by W. Cotton, Esq., •" On Captain
lluddart's Improvement in Rope Machinery," was read. The.
author states that Captain I-I.uddart's attention was directed to
the sukiect in conseqaence of the external yarns of a ship's cable
constantly breaking, owing to the extra strain experienced in
the process of twisting, the yarns being all originally of the
same length. Captain tluddart's improvements in the rope
machinery are of such a nature as to give to all the yarns an
increased le ug t h in proportion tott
0 thelh disatnagnlcee
aotf
st:zicrrtbn yarns
the centre of the strand, and

short time sence a edieal gendersiart
purchasedab?Lne7y4 inwith a view to blew pure and wholesome
beer, and advertised for a brewer. Within a week or so, he
LE give n
had 75t applications fur his situation ;' and on inquiring of each
candidate What his pretentions were to; undertake the duties of
a brewer, to his very great astonishment it turned out that every
one of them founded his capability to preside over the mash tubby asserting
that he could•brew capital ale and beer, of which
some of them brought ,trust delightful samples, without using
a grain of malt or a bunch of hops. The disappointed advertiser
declared further, that during his life he had never come in.con-
tract with such a number of clever chemists.
. GREAT CONSERVATIVE DINNER AT LEEDS, oN EASTeR MON-
DAY NEXT.—A vast number of applications having been made
by conservativ,'s of all ranks, to be allowed to join in the dinner
to which Sir Francis 13 uldett Bart., and other distinguished
characters have been invited,, the committee of the Leeds Opera.
tive Conservative Association have applied for and obtained the
assistance arid co-operation ofia committee of the UpdaTrades-
men's Conservative Association, The joint:committees now
announce that in order to meet the general wish, and to
give full
scope for the display of conservative strength and feeling, they
have determined to erect a pavillion, capable of containing MOO
persous; in which also, on. the Friday' in Easter week, they pro-
pose to give a ball to the •e66l3efiNitiv'e ladies Ittit,iieds'aird the
neighbutryhood, the guests to wear the. conservative ctilOurs
'blue rosette on the left breast. Active preparations are- 1;0.1°4
forward. —Leeds 4414;110er.

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