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are told that this society interferes with the jurisdiction of
the bishops. In reply to this, I will say, with the right rev.
prelate whose letter has been read to you, and with my right
rev. friends who have spoken, that I am not sensible of
any such interference with my jurisdiction. (Hear, hear.)
I can only say, that when a candidate for orders comes to me
whose stipend is to be paid from this society, I know thathis
qualifications and character have been scrutinized with more
than ordinary attention, and when you consider the difficulty
which the bishop has in getting satisfactory testimonials in
every case, and how often he is liable to be misled and de-
ceived into error. I must say, that I regard the inquiries

made by this society as a gr'eat additional security for the
usefulness of the person so nominated. (Hear, hear.) I
will go further, and venture to say, without reference parti-
cularly to any other society, that the young men paid by this
institution will bear a favourable comparison with the same
number of young men of any class, or taken in any manner
you please, in point of character and usefulness as ministers
of the gospel. (Applause.) Again, the Pastoral Aid Society
has been blamed. for the employment of lay agents. I can
only say, in concurrence with a right rev. friend of mine,
that they employ no lay agents at all. (Hear.) If a cle.gy-
man is in want of a lay agent, and makes application to the
society, the circumstances are considered, and this society
may supply its aid, but the clergyman is responsible for the
appointment in conjunction with the bishop, for in each case
I believe the bishop is also consulted. Therefore no blame
rests on the society in this department. (Hear.) But after
all this employment of lay agents is not so unusual as some
would have you suppose. If you turn to the report of the
report of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in
Foreign Parts, even as late as 1840, you will find lay agents
under the name of catechists, spoken of in almost every
page ; and these lay agents or catechists are not so confined
in their labours as the lay agents paid by the Pastoral Aid
Society, but in many instances are employed as preachers,
and that too under the sanction of the bishops of the dioceses
in which they labour. (Hear, hear.) And if they may be
employed in the colonies, there is no reason, on principle at
least, why they should not be employed in the mother coun-
try. (Applause.) It may be that the objectors to this so-
ciety may succeed in injuring if not destroying it, which
God forbid ! But if they have the satisfaction of injuring
the society, they have also on their heads the responsibility
of doing so, and of depriving thousands, perhaps tens of
thousands, of their fellow-countrymen of the bread of life.
(Hear.)
The Rev. E. TOTTENHAM, Prebendary of Wells, seconded
the resolution.
The Rev. Huon M`Nzmn proposed the third resolution.
After rendering his thanks to the society for the assistance
derived from its funds to the town of Liverpool, in the sup-
ply of salaries of £lOO a-year each for five curates. He en-
larged upon amcluties of the legislature with regard to the
church, and upon the necessity of its pronouncing judg-
ment and acting with decision when there were con-
flicting opinions amongst the people. He then went on
to say,—Many of you will wonder, after what you have
heard to-day, that an objection, in language which I shall
now read, should have been urged at all, and still more from
authority. It is extremely painful to be obliged to announce
that the objection in question has been urged by one of the
bishops of the church. But I deeply feel the necessity of
honestly saying this. lam quite convinced that, unless we
honestly avow this at some period of our anniversary pro-
ceedings. we shall be taunted by those who will say that we
were afraid to give the objection its due weight by announ-
cing from what quarter it proceeded. (Hear.) It is pain-
ful, then, to say that an objection has been urged in this way
by one of our respected prelates, that " there was a desire
on the part of the managers of the society to make the funds
which they administered subservient, if not to party pur-
poses, at least to an encroachment on the rights and duties '
' of incumbents and their bishops, which was in his opinion
hardly consistent with the profession of being a church so-
ciety. He alluded to the claim of the committee of that
society in London to exercise a judgment on the qualifica-
tions of the clergyman, or of the candidate for holy orders,
nominated by an incumbent to be his assistant, even though
that nomination had received the sanction and approbation
of the bishop." This objection rests, you will perceive, from
what has already been stated, on an inversion of what really
is the order of proceeding. There can be no ground for this
objection if the order prescribed in the rules of the society
be observed, and if they are not observed, the fault must be
in this : so far as the regular provision for the established
church goes, there is no opportunity for this society to come
in with any interference; where that provision fails, where a
poor incumbent with a large population is anxious to have a
curate, and the society is willing to pay him, this society
gives him the option to come if he will. But how, if he will ?
The society presents its rules to the incumbent : if he does
not approve of them, I cannot, suppose that he will conde-
scend to avail himself of the' funds of the society. If
he does not approve of the rules, he is where he was had
the society never existed, and it has injured him not at
all. It presumes not to interfere with him ; it leaves
him where he was. He has found this. opening, and
nothing has shut it except his own disapprobation of the
rules of the society. And is that any injury ? Surely not.
But if he should approve the rules and apply, and do not
succed ; if on his nominee being mentioned, any occurrence,
no matter what, should arise to cause the committee of the
society to decline his proposal, still he is not injured ; he is
then but where he would have been had there been no society
established; the society has done him no harm. From cer-
tain circumstances it happens that we can do him no good ;
but still we have done him no mischief. If he send another
and succeed, and obtain the grant for his friend, then, and
not before, shall he go and make known the case to his bi-
shop, and if he get from his lordship his final cognizance of
the qualification of his nominee, I cannot see how the colli-
sion contemplated by this objection can arise, unless there
may be a design on the part of the incumbent to create a
collision. (Hear, hear.) I protest against insinuating
against any clergyman of the Churoh of England that he
would do so • but I do not see how it can arise without such
a design, or the culpable neglect of the bishop, in taking cog-
nizance of the nominee without first knowing where his sa-
lary is to come from. Is it the custom of bishops to give
their sanction to the appointment of a curate without know-
ing how he is to be paid? I believe not. Suppose an in-
cumbent, through mistake or otherwise, comes to the bishop
and asks his sanction for the appointment of a certain young
friend to be his assistant. The bishop asks, how is he to be
paid? By the Church Pastoral Aid Society. Is the grant
actually made ? If it is, there is no more collision with the
bishop, he is dumb. But if not, the bishop would then say,
" You are premature in applying to me, when you are not
prepared to specify a salary. You are, therefore, not in a
condition to ask for my episcopal cognizance of the appo!nt-
ment of your nominee. Arrange the salary first, and then I
will proceed to take cognizance of your nominee, and after
my cognizance there can be no interference from any one."
(Hear, hear.) There is a passage in the speech from which
I have quoted, which, however painful, I must read. The
right rev. prelate said, that " he wished to speak with entire
respect for the ten eminent prelates who gave their revered
names as patrons, and who would be not only unwilling to
sanction anything which in snch a manner was open to just
exception, but were also, he freely admitted, entitled to the
highest confidence in all things which they deliberately did
or sanctioned ; and he should be more doubtful than he
now felt of the soundness of his own judgment on the
point in question, if he believed that those distinguished
prelates had given their deliberate sanction to this part
of their society's operations." Here is an insinuation
against the ten right rev. prelates to whom he alludes,
and whom be so highly commends, which has received a
deliberate and decided contradiction this day in your hearing.
Therefore, I hope the right rev. prelate who made that in-
sinuation will become more " doubtful of the soundness of
his own judgment." (Laughter and applause.) There is a
further concession too, which it is-well to add :—" If the
great body of the contributors were induced by this consi-
deration (the claim of the committee) to make their contri-
butions, then the committee might fairly claim to act in the
capacity of patrons." 1 think lam not too sanguine in hop-
ing, that when the matter is investigated, we shall have the
right rev. prelate among the patrons of this society ; for he
admits fully, that if the contributors are induced by this con-
sideration to give to the funds. then the committee may fairly
claim to act as patrons. But under what inducements have
the subscribers given their money ? The rules of the society
are all printed ; there is no obtaining money under false pre-
tences. The rules are circulated ; and it is not customary
for English ladies and gentlemen to give their money without
reason—without knowing what they give it for. Now if these
rules have been before the country, and the contributions
from the public who have seen those rules have gradually in-
creased from £2OOO. to £20,000. in five years, the committee
may fairly, in the opinion of the right rev. prelate, claim to
act in the capacity of patrons as far as this society is con-
cerned. (Hear, hear.) But there is a further objection
against the parallelism of the position of patrons :—" But
even if the committee were fully and equitably entitled to
consider themselves as patrons, yet he must think that there
is a manifest and important difference between the exercise of
patronage in the selection of incumbents, and in the selection
of assistants to incumbents. Assistants ought, in his opinion,
to be such as are likely to be what their very name implies,
assistants to the incumbent in the care of the parish com-
mitted to his charge." I agree in this. It has been over
and over again stated, that the incumbent appoints his own
assistant. Although the assistants in question, when consi-
dered in connection with exigences of a parish, may be called
assistants to the incumbents, yet, practically considered, they
really are additional pastors ; they have a distinct duty to
perform, and another range of the population to attend to.
There was another point. The right reverend prelate asked,
" Was it fitting, was it decent, was it consistent with the ac-
knowledged constitution of the Christian church among us
to force such aid upon other bishops ?" Surely, surely, there
is a misunderstanding here. Surely we may repeat our con-
fidence that upon an understanding aimed at with good faith,
in kindness and sincerity, being established, and the misun-
derstanding being removed, we shall hear no more from any
such quarter of such objections to this institution. (Hear.)
We cannot flatter ourselves that objections from every quar-
ter will be silenced, but I do confidently flatter myself, that
after what has passed this day—after the speeches we have
heard from this platform,—after the concurrent testimony of
four prelates of our church, and the arguments which have
beert added thereto, we shall bear no more from such quar-
ters. (Hear.) The rev. gentleman resumed his seat amidst
many demonstrations of approval, and after several other ad-
dresses the meeting separated.

SEIZURE OF A SUSPECTED SLIVER

' BREMEN, MAY 10.—Yesterday the Bremen ship Julia St.
Edward, Captain R. Sidenborg, jun., was brought into the
Weser, under the care of a lieutenant of the English navy,
on the pretext alleged by an English cruiser, that it was to
be employed in the slave trade. This has caused a great
sensation here, because the detestation of that scandalous
traffic is here too general for any ship under the flag of
Bremen to engage in it directly or indirectly. The following
is a simple narrative of the affair :—When that ship sailed
from Rotterdam to the Havannah, there to obtain a freight
in preference for an European harbour, and if that could not
be had, to purchase goods on account of the owners, the
captain received through his correspondents, Messrs. Mooyer
and Co., in the Havannah, an offer from an American house
in that city of a freight to Cabenda, on the African coast,
with lawful merchandise, and having received the assurance
both of his correspondents and of the consular residents in
the Havannah that it was a perfectly honourable transaction,
he accepted the offer, as he had received at the same time the
offer of returned freight with salt to the West Indies, to re-
ceive which he was to sail from Cabenda in ballast. When
he arrived in the road of Cabenda, the ship was detained by
the English brig Persian, and though the examination, which
took place on board, showed nothing which could character-
ize the ship as suspicious, yet the young officer commanding
the English brig thought himself justitied in ordering it to
the Weser, under such a pretext as the following :—That 200
demyohn (water bottles cased in straw-bands, a common ar-
ticle of trade) were among the goods entered on the invoice ;
that the number of water-buts was too great, though there
were only twenty, the usual quantity on board the ship, the
contents of which would scarcely have sufficed for the use of
the crew during the long voyage ; and that it was possible
that some packages which he could not get at might contain
something suspicious. The owner of the ship has at once ap-
plied to the magistrate to have the whole matter thoroughly
investigated, and both to do him justice, and at the same
time to clear the flag of Bremen from every suspicion, that
it could lend itself to the carrying on of a scandalous traffic.
—Hamburyh paper, May 14.

A most effectual method of cleansing public sewers was
last week put in practice by the board of health in White-
haven to a considerable extent. The instrument made use
of was one of the fire-engines, by which a copious supply of
water was driven through the gratings with such force as
completely to wash away the filth which had accumulated.

EXTRAORDINARY STORY,

(From the St. Louis Republican.)
:We have never before had to record such a complication
.of crimes in a single transaction as was presented to our ap-
palled citizens on the night of Saturday last. About one

o'clock the alarm of fire was given by the flames bursting
out of the windows and various parts of the large stone store
at the corner of Pine and Water-streets. At the time of the
discovery it was evident that the building had been fired in
several parts, and the flames had made such progress, that it
was im

ossible to save either the house or any of its contents
That it was the work of an incendiary was soon apparent

Several gentlemen who arrived early 'after some_ difficulty

forced open the door of
.the banking-house, and through

the smoke discovered a body lying on the floor near the
stove. The body was taken out before the flames had
reached it, and found to be that of Mr. James Weaver, a
young man, a clerk in the store of Messrs. Von Phul
and M4Gill, who usually slept in the room immediately in
the rear of Mr. Pettus's banking-room, with Mr. Jesse Baker,
the clerk of Messrs. Simonds and Morrison. Mr. Weaver was
found in the dress he had 'worn during the day, but his head
dreadfully mangled. He bad been shot through the head,
the ball entering above the left eye, and so near had the wea-
pon been to him that his face and left hand were blackened
with the powder, and the little finger nearly cut off, appa-
rently by the ball. His head was also cut open in several
places, the wounds appearing to have been made with a bowie
knife or hatchet. Near to him, in the same room, were found
the hat and handkerchief of Mr. Baker, but no traces of his
body could be discovered. It is conjectured that he had
been killed either in the bed-room or some other part of the
store, and that his body lies buried in the ruins. In the
banking-house there was a large fireproof vault, in which
there is at all times a large sum of money, and it is supposed
that the murder was committed with a view of entering the
vault. Mr. Baker left his boarding-house about nine for the
store, and has not been seen since. Mr. Weaver was in com-
pany with a number of young gentlemen until about eleven
o'clock, when he went to the store, and about the time he
arrived the reports of two pistols or guns were heard in that
direction by the people in the vicinity.
Some suppose the murderers had concealed themselves in
the store, and had previously despatched Baker, and killed
Weaver when he entered. Our own belief, from all the cir-
cumstances, is that they entered with Weaver, and that the
struggle and death of both followed immediately. After the
murder they doubless fired the house in several places, with
the hope of consuming the bodies and in the expectation that
their crime would not be discovered.
So far as there has been any means of judging, it is believed
that the murderers failed in their principal purpose—that of
entering the vault. Owing to the heat, up to a late hour
yesterday, the door could not be approached; but when it
was it was found to be locked, and could not be unlocked.
The safe of Messrs. Simonds and Morrison, in which there
was some money, was undisturbed, and it was therefore pro-
bable that little booty was obtained. The loss, including the
goods and the building, may be set down at from 40,000 to
50,000 dollars.
From the house of Simonds and Morrison the fire ex-
tended south to the adjoining building, occupied by Messrs.
Kennett, White, and Co., the roof of which was partially
consumed, and for a long time we thought it impossible to
save the building or the row, but by an exertion demanding
of all the highest praise, the house of Messrs. Kennett,
White, and Co. was saved with the loss of the roof only.
The goods in the store, however, were greatly damaged by
the water, and the stock was very large. The amount of
damage is variously estimated at from 10,000 dollars to
15.000 dollars, fully covered by insurance.
The store of Mr. Bernard Pratte, on the opposite side of
Pine-street, was several times on fire, and some of the win-
dow frames were considerably burnt, but by the exertions of
those within, and the aid of the engines, no injury was done
to the building, although Mr. Pratte's goods suffered consi-
derable injury from the water.
About the break of day the interior of the first building
having all fallen in, Mr. Kimball, first engineer of the Union
Fire Company, was standing on the side walk in Pine-street,
playing on the fire through a window, when the wall sud-
denly gave way, and fell outward into the street. A gentle-
man with him made his escape, but Kimball was caught and
crushed beneath the falling mass. His remains in a few mi-
nutes were disinterred from the ruins, but the vital spark
had fled.
Mr. Weaver was a young man, about 22 years of age, of
excellent character, and had the entire confidence of his em-
ployers, and the esteem of all his acquaintances. His pa-
rents reside in the city.
Mr. Baker was a young gentleman of about 22 years of
age, the son of a respectable family residing in Worcester
county, Maire.
It would be impossible to describe the intense feeling
which pervaded the community during the night and ensuing
norning, and, in fact, the whole day. Every one was
'socked at the enormity and boldness of the deed, and felt
sat while such crimes could be committed in our midst and
se guilty escape detection, there was no security to any

one.
The city and country were patrolled during yesterday and
last night, and the citizens generally are using all the mealis
in their power to detect the guilty.