The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

whom I saw. He is present, and that is him whom you
point out.

The individual alluded to was a clerk in the service of
the solicitors for the petitioners.
Mr. BODKIN : Did you not tell that gentleman last
Friday, on oath, that what you have previously said was
true ?
Witness : I don't recollect.
Mr. Bonn::: Where was it you saw him ?
Witness : At the house where I am living, the Feathers,
in the Waterloo-road.
Mr. BODKIN ; Did he not read a paper to you ?
Witness : I can't exactly say. (Laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN repeated the question, and received the
same, or a very similar reply.
Mr. BODKIN : Do you remember that gentleman
(pointing to the clerk) coming to the house you are stay-
ing at last Friday ?
Witness : I partly remember.
Mr. BALL : Did that gentleman read a paper to you ?

Witness : Not that I remember.
Mr. BODKIN : You only came to town on Friday, I am
told. Then, did that gentleman call upon you on Satur-
day ?
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Witness : On Saturday I was drunk, and I don't re-
member. (Laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN : Have you ever seen that gentleman be.
fore ; and if so, when ?

Witness : I have seen him in London, and I have seen
him at Liverpool when I gave my evidence.

Mr. BODKIN : Did he not, since you came to London,
speak to you of the evidence von gave at Liverpool ' • and
did not you, therefore, tell him that what you had said
was quite true ?
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Witness ! I am on my oath, and I will not tell a lie for
any man living. (Laughter.)

Mr. BODKIN : You have already given me a very good
specimen of your antipathy to lying. Did you not, I
again ask, tell him that what you had previously affirmed
was true ?

Witness : I don't recollect it. I have been drunk every
day since I came to London—(laughter): ay, and every
night, too. (Continued laughter.)
Mr. BODKIN : What time of the day was it when you
saw the gentleman in London ?
Witness: It was at night; the night before last, I
think.

Mr. BODKIN : Did he then say anything to you ?

Witness : No.
Mr. BODKIN : Have you seen Jonas Gleave since you
came to London ?
Witness : Yes, I have.
Mr. BODKIN: Did Jonas speak to you of what you
would have to say here ?
Witness : ; we merely asked for each other, and
how we were enjoying ourselves. (Laughter.)
The CHAIRMAN : Has not Mr. Jonas Gleave spoken
to you as to what evidence you were to give before this
committee ?
Witness : No.

Mr. BODKIN repeated the question with the same re.
sult precisely ; the witness, after a long hesitation, giving
a decided negative.
The witness was here confronted with the clerk.
The CHAIRMAN : Look at that gentleman. Do you
know him by sight ?
Witness : Yes, I have seen him at Liverpool, and when
he called on me here I asked him for 55., which he gave me.
The CHAIRMAN : Do you recollect him asking you
about the evidence you had previously given ?
Witness : No.

Mr. FRESHFTELD : You are not asked, remember,
whether the evidence you gave at Liverpool is true or not,
but you are asked, is it true that you told that gentleman
that what you had said at Liverpool was perfectly correct ?
No reply.
Mr. BALL : You told a story to certain people at Liver-
pool, for drink, you say ?
itness : Yes.
Mr. BALL : That story was not true ?
Witness : No, it was not.
Mr. BALL : Do you recollect that gentleman asking you
whether it was true or not ?
Witness : No, I do not recollect.
Mr.WILLIAms : What did you say to him, or he to you ?
Witness : I asked him if he'd give me ss. to go some-
where, and he gave it me.

Mr. SMITH : They took you to a place where you told
this false story ?
Witness : Yes.
Mr. Smii ; They gave you drink. Did they pay for it ?
Witness : Yes.
Mr. SMITH : How long did you sit at that place ?
Witness: Oh, for two or three hours.
Mr. SMITH : What have you had since you came to
London ?

Witness: Oh, only that ss. ; but we have as much to
drink at our house as ever we like to call for—in reason,
of course.
Mr. SMITH : Enough to make you drunk ?
Witness: Oh, yes. (Laughter.)
Mr. SMITH : You have been drunk ever since you came
here ?
Witness : Yes, on Sunday and all. (Laughter.)
Mr. SMITH : Where do you stay ?
Witness: With some of the others at the Feathers Inn,
on the other side of the bridge.

Mr. MACA.ULAY : Do you mean to say that you are
made drunk at that house every day at the expense of
those who brought you ?
Witness: Yes. (Continued laughter.)
Mr. MACAULAY: Do you mean to swear that you have
not been round the corner to the whiskey shop, where
you buy liquor yourself ?
Witness : Only once ; and I only bought a single two.
penny worth. (Laughter.)
Mr. MACAVLAY t How would it be necessary for you
to go round the corner and buy your own whiskey, if you
could eet it in the house for nothing ?
Witness : Oh, because I was in the street.
Mr. MA.cAtTLAYI But was the place far off ?
Witness : No ; a very short distance.
The CHAIRMAN = Did you get, free of expense, so
much drink that it intoxicated you ?
Witness : Yes, and could have had more.
The witness was then told to leave the room.
The inquiry was adjourned at three o'clock till noon on
Monday.
The attendance during the day was not great, although
towards the close of the proceedings the interest seemed
to heighten.