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tilitYi believing, as he did, that the council had a trust re-
Ptdr in them which belonged to the community at large.
11. • RonINSON proposed Mr. Alderman Moon, as a mem-
i`r la the plaCe of Mr. Harbord, on the ground that there
Vat a fair proportion of the different parties upon it.
pr fir, FREME said that after the very just sentiments ex-
it!sed by Mr. Lloyd, the council would not be doing them•
'Zs justice if they did not elect him on the committee.
alThe names of Mr. Alderman Moon and Mr. Alderman
NVeY were here withdrawn by their respective movers.
to "...A. SMITH moved that Mr. Aikin be appointed on the
raraittee
1,14,r: PRIESTLEY seconded the motion.
po,e": MAYOR said there were then three gentlemen pro-
ogle"' Mr. Harbord. Mr. Lloyd, and Mr. Aikin. If no
r Ivaa proposed he should proceed to the vote.
The council then divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Harbord 2B
For Mr. Lloyd 25
p For Mr. Aikin 7
142 r Harbord—Councillors Shaw, Hodgson, Sand-
41', Copeland, Edwards, Barton, Blundell, Sands, Rae,
Pinall Toulmin, J. Lawrence, Cooper, Wood, Birkett,
111,T,,sst(Te, Lloyd, Rigby, Kilshaw, Parker, Jones, Trottnan,
Itol'uru; 'Aldermen Houghton. Chilton, Brainley -nioore,
m
peux, Crook-28.
°rMr. Lloyd—Councillors Isaac Holmes, Houghton,
Yatlme,s, Mellor, J. Holmes, Bolton, Aikin, Bright,
Ate. Robinson, Bushell, Proctor, J. Smith, Jordan ;
tarrneu Holt, Bulley, Freme, Harvey, Evans, Barclay,
pe, Moon, Nicol, Turner, the Mayor-25.
lev '‘.,r Mr. Aikin—Conncillors Thornhill, Preston, Priest.
H• Lawrence, Platt, A. Smith, jun., Mather-7.
pIeI:;.SANDR said the Education Committee was now corn-
withte' 'Might he venture to hope that they would act
great wisdom prudence and moderation, and in uch a
hpthat the inhabitants of this town should rejoices in the
toVge• He would have gone a little further into this
Ileet, He
4411 t• AIKEN said he should like to knovir whether Mr.
14us Meant- to move this as an instruction to the committee,
worse if such was his desire, he (Mr. Aiken). should be
Pleased to second it. Mr. Aiken then entered into an Planationex-
of the opinion he had recently given as to eight being
I,lkteient number to constitute the Education Committee.
NlAroa said this subject was now done with.
GAOL COMMITTEE.
Co°ll the motion of MR. AspiNALL, seconded by MR.
LT°ll, the following gentle Men were appointed the Gaol
litalaittee, after a short conversation between Mr. Cooper,
Aspinall, the Town Clerk, Mr. John Holmes, Mr.
I,,t'eu and others :
Vfit. Bolton, Mr. Aiken, Mr. Earle, Mr. John Holmes,
Ite; Evans, Mr. Yates, Mr. Hodgson, Mr. Harvey, Mr.
hard Houghton, and Mr. Sands.

GARDENS CONEMITTEE.
kThe following gentlemen were appointed the Garden Corn-
alee ' Robert Jones, jun., Mr. Trotman, Mr. Isaac
C4'es, Mr. Jordan, Mr. Thornhill, Mr. Preston, and Mr.
tool:

COURT OF REQUESTS COMMITTEE.
rn the motion. of MR. SHAND, the following gentlemen
II! elected the Court of Requests Committee :—Mr. J. B.
Vd, Mr. Copeland, Mr. John Smith, Mr. Cooper, Mr.
3,thMatt. Mr. Evans, Mr. Bright and Mr. Slater.
co,ti MAYOR ready l
memorial signed by 1,050 persons,
Naining that this court, under its present mode of work-
T7l*orked injustice to suitors, and suggesting that a jury of
e respectable men be appointed to assist the committee.
pev memorial was referred to the committee for them to re-
rt thereon.

TL CHURCH EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE.
1,,„1,1.e following gentlemen were appointed the Church Ex-
riture Committee, on the motion of Mr. ASI'INALL
krti I3ir.krett, Mr. Griffiths, Mr. E. Molyneux, Mr. Procter,
M Earle.

PARKS COMMITTEE.
k,1,1r. SANDRACH said the Parks Committee must be consi-
oed defunct. It would be a delusion upon the public to
kfroi4t a committee till the council were in a condition to
ki°rd to make the parks. This would show that the propo-
A,ai not what it had been called, a tory job.
tor r• JORDAN said he disagreed with those who called it a
to Job, anti that he was convinced as £20,000 had been
lksed by subscription for building a single room by the pub-
the same amount might easily be raised for this purpose.

COURTS OF LAW COMMITTEE.
On the motion of Mr. H. LAWRENCE, this committee
ltia: thus constituted—Mr. •Sandbach, Mr. Bramley-Moore,
Nlolyneux, .Mr. Aiken, Mr. Lloyd, Mr. 11. Holmes,
r. E earle, Mr. Barclay, and Mr. 11. Lawrence. At a sub-
-4t period of the meeting, Mr. Aiken and Mr. Evans
ltitfe added to the committee, and so far as related to a reso-
in; uf the council on the Bth of September last, concern-
-18T,„le removal cf the police-courts, &c., to the site of
'"gton market, or that of the new law courts.

0 TOWN-HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE.
ri the motion of Mr. SANDBACH, the following gentle-
-112 wee -appointe to thi committee :—Mr. Earle, Mr.
'Clay,r Mr. Hodgson, Mr.s Gladstone, and Mr. Sands.
OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE.
„This coinmittce was constituted as follows :—Mr. Alder-
all Houghton, Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Chilton, Mr. Aiken,
r• Platt, Mr. Freme, Mr. Nicol, Mr. Rae, and Mr. Shand.

n WAREHOUSES AND BATHS COMMITTEE.
the motion of Mr. AiKIN, this committee was merged
the Health Committee, and was constituted of the follow-
-0 , 16 gentlemen :—Mr. Bushell, Mr. Houghton, Mr. Bir-
4t, Mr. Yates, Mr. Cooper, Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Edwards,
V. Kilshaw, Mr. Evans. Mr. Moon, Mr. Crook, Mr.
ths, Mr. Harbord, and Mr. Isaac Holmes.

BIRKENHEAD COMMISSIONERS.
ton the motion of Mr. ASPINALL, seconded by Mr. C.
elsnLt.i, Mr. Bolton was appointed a Commissioner of
rkenhea'd. in the place of Mr. Morecroft.

WALLASEY EMBANKMENT.
Mr. AspiNA Lt. moved that Mr. Houghton and Mr. Aiken
thaPPointed Com Missioners of Wallasey Embankment, in
e Place of Mr. Hornby and Mr. Case. Carried.

DOCK COMMITTEE

kr. G. H. LAW. ONCE said he rose to propose for the
consideration of the council the names of four gentlemen, tit
411,1 proper persons to supply the vacancies in the Dock Com-
mittee. There were two gentlemen retiring from that body
!chose loss he was aware could be be but ill supplied. They
'lad devoted their time zealously and faithfully to the manage-
ment of the affairs of the Dock Estate ; but when he read
the names of those he was about to propose he thought the
council would agree with him that he had endeavoured so far
as in him lay to supply their place. He begged to propose
that Mr. Nicol, Mr. Molyneux, Mr;.Shand, and Mr. Chil-
ton be elected members of the Dock Committee, in the place
111 Mr. Hornby, Mr. Booth, Mr. Benn, and Mr. G. Holt.
Mr. TURNER seconded the mcition, and it was unanimously
carried.

CHAIRMAN OF THE DOCK COMMITTEE.
,LAWRENCE said the last motion being carried,
r Should proceed, with the permission of the council, to
Pro Pose to them a gentleman to fill the chair of the Dock
!°annittee. In doing so, he could not help expressing his
'egret that the act of Parliament obliged the Council to pass
Tier the services of the .gentleman who now occupied the
Vil°lPuty chair, Mr. Horsfall. Had they been able to induce
Horsfall to enter the Council chamber, which he would
Ve done with the unanimousapprobation of all, they would
not have been driven into this stress. Mr. HorsfalPs years
411(1 previous services were entitled to some consideration,
though
.it was impossible to prevail upon him to accede to
their wishes. Under these circumstances, he (Mr. Law-
I:liee) was obliged to propose to the Council the name of
aoth a
er gentlean. In doing so, he should propose one who
was
merchant of considerable standing in this town, who
h
already been a member of the Dock Committee—and let
'llll add this—who promised to devote his time, to the ut-
most of his power, to discharge the duties of the chair. He
;tight be told that his friend, Mr. Sands, whom he was going
0 nominate—(hear, hear)—had not devoted as much time
Ittl could have been wished to the committee, but when he
,i,°ld the Council that Mr. Sands was prepared as far as in
"Ya to discharge the onerous duties of the chair with effi-
eleucy and zeal, he hoped the Council would repose confi-
dence in him, • and confirm the nomination. He begged to
propose that Mr. Thomas Sands be elected chairman of the
Dock Committee.
Mr. TURNER seconded the motion.
Mr. Alderman EVANB quite agreed in the appointment of
the four gentlemen who had been elected members of the
~ack committee, but when it came to the appointment of a
chairman, it was a very serious matter, and quite a different
eaSe. TV ± of the dock committee was literally the

d .ie chairman c.
dock committee for six days in the week. He received all
the
communications, he attended to every emergency, and,
of course he required a great deal of judgment and a great
nem of zeal. They had been very fortunate in having had
chairmen who professed these qualities in the late Mr. Lea-
thom and Mr. Benn. To Mr. Sands as an extensive mer-
chant, an enlightened and clever man, he could have no ob-
leetion ; but knowing the duties of a chairman, and having
seen the coolness with which Mr. Sands had hitherto attend-
ed to dock affairs, he did not expect him to give up that time
Which would be so valuable to the management of his own
affairs. Mr. Sands, the council had heard, had already pro-
mised to devote a great deal of his time to the affairs of the
mocks, but he (Mr. Evans) hardly thought he had a right
s9neeption of the quantity of time they would require of
"Im• He therefore should not expect from him a sacrifice,
Which, without meaning anything invidious, he would have
to make. Knowing that the dock affairs would never pros-
Per without a degree of enthusiasm in the conduct of them.
he (Mr. Evans) declared that nothing but a man who must
be called a zealot ought to hold the high office of chairman of
the dock committee. The gentleman he should name had
passed all his life among the docks; his knowledge of them
had not been acquired in his office. Ile had not gained it
through the medium of clerks, but he had gone to the docks
himself, and had there acquired that practical knowledge
Which arose out of the actual management of his own affairs
In the docks. Mr. Aikin was a merchant upon a very large
scale ; he was extensively concerned in ships and shipbuild-
ing; his interest and his business were all intimately con-
nected with the management of the docks; and he (Mr.
Evans) believed that every body who knew the interest he
had taken in the management of the docks both before and
since the passing of the municipal reform act, would admit
that there was no gentleman in the whole community who
could compete with him for capability for the office. Mr.
Aikin had had the office offered to him before ; it was offered
to him upon the last occasion, after the death of Mr. Lea-
thom, and he refused it. If he accepted it now he would
accept it reluctantly, but, nevertheless, once in office, he
Would give it the benefit of his knowledge, and of his great
activity and zeal. Under these circumstances he (Mr.
Evans) thought the council and the town at large would, in-
deed, have to congratulate themselves upon Mr. Aikin con-
senting to take the office. He had no need to tell the coun-
cil that this was no party affair ; it would be the height of
absurdity in him to address the council at all in the spirit of
Party ; but he really called upon them to weigh well before
they made any other appointment than the best they could
Make. As to political influence, he might appeal, he be-
lieved, to every gentleman that knew anything of the docks,
Whether they had the least intermingling of politics in the
establishment, or whether the chairman, or the gentlemen
Who held different opinions there, ever interfered with those
in the service of the docks, or in any way interfered with
those who were in a subordinate condition. He mentioned
this in order to let the council know that it was an appoint-
Ment not recognieed by him with any other view than that of
the public service. He had now only to move an amend-
ment, that Mr. Aikin be the chairman of the Dock Com-
mittee.
Mr. MELLOR seconded the amendment, and in doing so he
disclaimed all party feelings. The dock estate of Liverpool
Was too vast, and too great to be administered in a spirit of
Party. It was the duty of the council to hare in the chair
the ablest man they could find—a man acquainted from ex-
erience and length of years with the working of the docks.
t was no disparagement of Mr. Shand, to say he did not
Profess that experience and knowledge of the affairs of the
Liverpool docks which was absolutely necessary. If gentle-
men could divest their minds of party feeling, he thought the
Private opinions of a very large majority of the members of
the council would be that Mr. Aiken had the preference in
this respect. As a member of Exchange ward, he spoke the
sentiments of a large proportion of the merchants who
11,"nabled upon the Exchange, when he said they would give
Lme preference to Mr. Aiken, not upon account of his politics,
ut simply upon account of his experience of the affairs of
°I the docks. He hoped that gentlemen would rise superior
19 the little, petty, paltry feeling of politics, and divesting
themselves of party spirit, give their vote in favour of that
gentleman who was best qualified for the situation.
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE replied. It was high time indeed
for gentlemen to call upon the council to rise superior to
Party, and to throw political feeling aside now that they were
in minorit. It was time enough for them to draw compari-
P.os between Mr. Sands and Mr. Aiken, which would not
uye been done had they had the ascendancy. Both were
equallyd fit for the chair ; but it came very late in the day to
tell the council this. What was their course when they had
the power in their own hands in the year 1837, when a near