The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-10-18 00:00:00

Mr.. Alderman Rawnori conceived that. it would be a hard-
ship if a car-driver were detained fifteen besides his fare for
every ls. fare he went. AfteJ some further discussion the bye-
law was agreed to and recommitted.
11. That the hire of every coach defined as aforesaid, and
two horses, by the day, shall be eighteen shillings, and by the
hour, two shillings and sixpence for the first, and one shilling
and sixpence for every subsequent hour; and the hire of every
ear defined as aforesaid, by the day, shall be twelve shillings,
and by the hour one shilling and sixpence for the first, and one
shilling for every subsequent hour; but it shall be at the option
of the driver to charge either by time Or distance."
Mr. Alderman BARCLAY hoped the lair would be so clearly
defined that the driver should not charge by both.
The MA YOrt said that the word "option" was sufficiently clear.
The bve-law Was then agreed to and recommitted.
"12. That where the fare of any coach or chariot shall
amount to four shillings and upwards, or of any car, to three
shillings and upwards, it 'shall be at the'option of the hirer to
detain such coach, chariot, or car, and to return in the same on
payment of half fare, provided the same be not detained mere-
than an hour,and for which no additionalsum shall be allowed."
This bye-law was agreed and recommitted.
" 13. 1 hat the owner, of every such coach, chariot, car,
cabriolet, or otherlike carriage,. shall have the same and the
horses ready to take a fare at the stands appropriated as public
stauds,cir within their aespective yards, coach-house, and stables
which are to be. considered to stands, from seven o'clock in the
morning till twelve at night, at the rates fixed, under the penalty
of 10s. for the first offence; 20s. for a second offence, alleged
and proved as such; and fur every subsequent offence, alleged
and proved as such, 305.; but after the hour of 12 o'clock at
night and before '7 o'clock in the morning 6d. for every coach,
and 4d. for eery car be charged for every quarter of an hour
detention during that time-over and above the fare, the coach
being necessarily occupied."
After some discussion this law was agreed to in the above
form and ordered to be recommitted. • .

" 14. That if any owner or driver of any such coach, chariot,
car, cabriole', or other like carriage, shall refuse or delay to
take a fare whenever called upon to anyplace within the old
borough; or within the -distance of eight miles from the same,
if not before engaged, or if any such owner or driver having
agreed to take any fire, and shall delay, neglect, or refuse so
to do, he shall be-liable to a penalty, in any of the cases afore-
said of 10s. for the first offence; 20s. for the second offence,
alleged as such ; sand 40s. fur any subsequent offence, alleged
and proved -as such." - •
The MAYOR said, there was one thing which was, ,ery incon-
venient ; coachmen were in the habit of saying they were en-
gaged at a certain hour whilst on the stand,-on going to them
to take a fare, and that they would not be able to get back in
time if they took you. He thought they ought not to make pro-
spective enagements.
Mr. Councillor EARLE said, an engagement was often used
as an excuse when they were not engaged.
This point was ordered as an instruction to the committee.
Mr. Councillor DuricaN wished to know what part of these
laws applied to the new borough, and what to the old.
The Tow'N-ctERK said, as regarded the fares, the power of
the bye-laws extended to eight miles out of the borough, but
the parties to be subjected to these bye-laws must be owners or
drivers of a coach kept within the old borough, If the owners
of a coach -kept hii coach out of the old borough; he would not
be liable to any of these bye-laws. But as to all coaches kept
within the old borough or plying for hire within the old borough
the bye-laws would entend to regulate the conduct of titre
drivers to a range of eight miles, and of.course take in the new
borough.
Mr. Councillor DUNCAN presumed then they had no autho-
rity over coaches or cars kept out of the old borough.;
The TowN-CLERK said, a coach kept within the new* borough,
and plying for hire in the old came within their jurisdiction.
They could not reach the other cases.
Mr. Councillor HOPE said, the coach proprietors had taken
advantage of this, and had taken places just out of the old
borough to evade these laws.
The TOWN•CLERK said, it was an evil which had existed be-
fore the new regulations, and it had not been reached by them.
The bye-law was then agreed to and recommitted.
"I.s.That every person calling or sending for any coach,
chariot, car, cabriolet,-or other like carriage, and not employ-
ing the same according to such call, shall pay the driver one
shilling, and for every quarter of an hour's detention. 6d."
The bye-law was then agreed to, and recommitted.
" 16.—That if the owner or driver of any coach, chariot, car,
cabriolet, or other like carriage, shall demand, receive, or take
for a fare a greater sum than the amount of a fare authorised
to be demanded, received, or taken for a fare, he shall forfeit
and pay for the first offence the fine or sum of 55.; for the se-
cond offence, alleged and proved as such, the fine or sum of
10s.•' and for any subsequent offence, alleged and proved as
such, the fine or sum of 205., and to be bound to refund the
overcharge, and be liable to costs."
Mr. Alderman RAWDON said with respect to tha mode of lay-
ing fines on overcharges ,he would beg to suggest, that some re-
gulatiou should be made with respect to ladies; for it was so
repugnant to ladies to be put in a witness-box, that they would
suffer imposition rather than do that.. He would submit, that.,
it might be an instruction to the magistrates, to allow them a
private hearing. Those who, like himself, were of the order of
ienedicts, knew that ladies were more liable to overcharges than
-they were.
The TOWN-CLERK said that must he entirely in the discretion
of the magistrates. One thing was perfectly clear, that the
partygiving the information must be subjected to the cross-
examination of the other party, or the proceeding would be
illegal.
After some further discussion the bye-law was agreed to, and
ordered to be recommitted.
•'17.--That the owner of every coach, chariot, car, cabriolet,
or other like carriage, shall at all times have the same in good
order, and the glasses and frames of the same whole, and the
leathers attached to the frames of sufficient length, and the in-
side clean and in good repair, and keep. the harness in perfect
and good condition, under the penalty in any of the cases afore-
said of ss. for the first offence : 10s. for a second offence, alleged
and proved as such; and 20s. for any subsequent offence, alleged
and proved as such."
Mr. Alderman BRowN objected to the check-string being en-
forced in the cars, which was originally included in this clause.
The drivers said it was a great hardship, as they were constantly
cut away.
Mr. Councillor BOLTON thought the fines ought to be Is.,
2s. 6d., and ss.
r After some further discussion, it was agreed that the check-
string should be inserted in the succeeding clause, and that the
fines should be as above.
The bye-law was then agreed to, and ordered to be recom-

mimed.
".18.—That the owner of every hackney coach, chariot, or car,
shall" provide a sufficient check-string to the same, and the
driver shall, when driving, have, if required, the check-string
fastened to his hand or aria, under the penalty of is. for the first
offence; 2s. 6d. for the second offence, alleged and proved as
such; and 5s- for every subsequent offence, alleged and proved
as such."
Agreed to and ordered to be recommitted.
"19. That in addition-to the respective coach-houses or sta-
ble-yards of the owners of such coaches, chariots; cars, cabrio-
lets, or like carriages, the following places be, and they are
hereby appointed public stands, that is to say :—` Castle-street,
from the south side of the crossing in front of the Town-hall to
the north side of Brunswick-street; on each day, except Sun-
day, the vacant space on the south side of St. George's Church,
and on Sunday, Castle-street, from the south side of Bruns-
wick-street. to the south side of Harrington-street. The west
side of St. George's Dock ; Scotland-place; London-road, near
the King's Statue; Clayton-square.; Great George's-place;
Clarence Dock (station to be described) ; Great Nelson-street;
South end of Prince's Duck, between the Dock-gate and the
pier head.
Mr. Alderman Batter:ay submitted that a bye-law should be
be made for the purpose of compelling owners to produce their
drivers.—Ordered to be an instruction to the committee.
This bye-law was then agreed to and ordered to be recom-
mitted.
"20. That no more than the following number of carriages,
(coaches, chariots, cars, cabriolets, and other like carriages,)
shall be allowed to stand at one time on any of the stands, that
is to say :—in Castle-street, (not to exceed the number which
can stand in the specified line); in Castle -street, to the south-
ward of Brunswick-street, ou Sunday only; on the south side
of St. George's Church, on week days; on the west side of
George's Dock ; in Scotland-place; in London-road; in Clay-
ton-square; in Great George-place; Clarence Dock; Great
Nelson-street East ; Gloucester-street ; and South end of the
Prince's Dock.
Agreed to and ordered to be recommitted.
•' 21. That the driver of every coach, chariot, car, cabriolet,
or other like carriage, shall be constantly attendant upon the
same when plying for hire on on any of the public stands, under
the penalty of ss. for the first offence 10s., for the second of-
fence, alleged and proved as such; and 20s. for any subsequent
offence, alleged and proved as such."
Agreed to and ordered. to be recommitted.
"22. That if the driver of any coach, chariot, car, cabriolet,
or other carriage, shall stand or loiter with the same in any of
the streets appropriated as public stands, at the time when the
full number ol carriages authorised to ply at the respective stands
shall be thereon, or in any street, square or place not appro-
priated as a public stand, he shall forfeit for the first offence the
fine or sum of 55.; for the second offence, alleged and proved as
such, the fine or. sum of 105..; and for every subsequent
offence, alleged and proved as such, the fine or sum of 20s.
Agreed to and ordered to be recommitted.
"23. That if the driver of any coach, chariot, car, cabriolet,
or other carriage, shall take any person to ride upon the box, or
in or upon any part of such carriage, without the consent of the
person hiring the same, he shall, fur the first offence, alleged
and proved as such, forfeit the fine or-sum.of 20s.
Agreed to and ordered to be recommitted.
"2-1. That the owner or driver of every coach, chariot, car,
eahriolet, or other carriage, in which any property-shall be ac-
cidentally left by any person or persons who may have hired or
used the same, shall imitediat el Y on the disco Very thereof restore
it to the owner when known and when not known at the furthest
within qzliteen hours after such property shall have been so left,
carry the same in the state in which it was found to the Police
Office in Liverpool, and deposit the same with one of the clerks
there, under the penalty of the sum of 10s. for a first offence;
20s. for a • 'second Offence, alleged and proved as such ; and 400.
for every subsequent offence, alleged and proved as_ such : and
the property so deposited shall be restored to the owner or
owners thereof, on payment of such reward as any one of his Ma-
jesty's Justices of the Peace for the -said Borough shall awairt.
Mr. Alderman STUART thought these fines were much too
small. Supposing a valuable purse to he left in the coach. He
thought the penalties ought to be 405, 60s, and £5. After some
discussion, the bye-law was agreed to as above, and ordered to
be re-committed. -
" 25. That every driver of a coach, chariot, car, cabriolet, or
other carriage, shall have a copy of these rules, orders, regula-
tions, and bye-laws, so far as the same relate to coaches, chari-
ots, cars, cabriolets, or other carriages, certified under the sig-
nature of the Clerk of the Peace for the said Borough, ready to
produce, and shall, upon request, produce the same for perusal
and inspection to any person who may have hired such coach,
or car. under the penalty of 5s for the first offence; lOs for a
second offence, alleged and approved.as such and 20s for every
subsequent offence, alleged and proved as such."
This bye-law was agreed to, and ordered to be re-committed,
" 26. That John Martindale be, and he is hereby appointed
Inspector of all coaches, cars, and carriages, registered to let or
ply for hire as aforesaid, and that he shall, from tittle to time,
examine all such coaches. chariots, cars, cabriolets, and carri-
ages, and see that the rules, orders, bye-laws respecting the
same are strictly carried into effect; and if any owner or driver
of any such coaches, cars, or carriages, or other person or per-
sons, shall-obstruct, prevent, or hinder the said inspector, or
any other inspector to be hereafter appointed for the purposes
aforesaid, every owner, driver, or other person so offending,
shall forfeit and pay the sum of lOs for such offence ; and for a
second offence, alleged and proved as such 20i ; and for a sub-
sequent offence, alleged and proved as such, 405."
Mr. Councillor EARLE said that the fines ought to be higher
if anything. •
Mr. Alderman ROBINSON would like to 'know if there-was
any direction to, inspect . the condition of horses. Horses were
often placed tp.,cmirtt,fit to work.
The NlAiioreatilin'snnet•was •no such provision, but this sub-
jectishouldsbseias)in B:usitiosi to the committee to consider upon.
cis ai j 4 r, kt;i•,/ Fcuqujvekl. rg, Mart ind ale's
appointment during plleasure or during good bebayiuur ?