The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-11-11 00:00:00

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have sworn to p'rotect't hem ; but do we see them coming for
ti'de'd to their assistatsee-'—do we see them attempting to alit
vialetlioil distress as they promised to do? Instead of seeing
,heat come e-
lon to tell the people that they are honestly lia-
nieantghle•f.the tu.tilinent of their promises, and in honesty bound to
then-+, respect the we see them standing forward to increase the
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In such a' time is it fitting that men.should he ashamed
Of shunting forward in defence of their principles? We hear
!rein all.quarters that there is peace prevailing in Ireland. 'We
nre -colter:it elated on all hands that Ireland is at peace, while
undertleit peace so celled the rights of the clergy are all buried,
awl the. very men wile' now-seek assistance prove that .- this
Pber:e..., by
;is not peace;—it is only repose which is taken, while the
full pci:w; er of tyranny' slunibeis. Yea, although this peace is
occasional shocks;yet these of themselves indicate
that it soesy a slumber. Those rights which the powerful es-
LeciallftWOre to'protect"-are violated. (Loud cries-of " Hear.")
vv halsair, to hear that the rights' of ministers of the gospel
cannot be recovered, that the law is impotent in their behalf,
and, in the same aentence, to hear of rejoicing, because in
the country every` thing is at peace-e-toescare away frem the
glad processien the wasted looks that betoken the heart-sickness
?' CuO hopes—bid the ministers of the• Gospel and young faun-
riee hie beck to their 'sorrowful abodes—to bid them there waste
A and die the unseen cleatheand, when some victim of conciliation
disappears from the treacherous tranquillity over which the bark
of state is carefully sweeping, :to forget him so soon as the-ripple
on the surface has been smoothed—so soon as the wail for his
lie;.aelitat rthitli-tei)7le has died
.etvay,
.and the heart it. broke still, and to col-
a the romantic Seneibilittes.of the liberal and enlightened,
may grace and dicer the cause of the lawless wretch
who has keen made an instrument to do wrong, nut knowing
'shat he did, or of the caitiff who has for his own base ends Con-
trived the erithe end'stimulated the offender—is Ain a time like
this, it shotild be accounted wrong to aim at asserting rights so-.
wantonly invaded? Oh,' sir, it is '4 nefarious strife which is
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waxed againSt ecclesiastical property in Ireland. Not only-is
toe struggle defiled with a foul and perjured violation of a most
ialeirincompaet, but the iestruinents blindly incited to engage
In the'struggle put their bodies and souls' in- peril without the
tinniest prospect that they can be benefited by the issue.—
(Hear.) - would the Protestant in Ireland profit by the extinc-
tion of tbs clergymen'i rights:- If he did, we could understand
that there was design in his dishonesty. He would not pay a
debt, bccanse hii creditor was a Protestant clergyman, arid to
the amount he withheld from him' he was enriched. But it is
well known that the were abolition of tithe could produce no
good effeet ; the landlord would still eked, the value of his land,
it heightens the .abhorrence with winch this warfare' against,
, ..
Cottrell property is regarded, to remember that its victims are
found in a class who stiffer, as all acknowledge. so undeserveclly,
and among those who can derive no advantage from the suffer-
ings they inflict :• and that those who benefit by the war,- incur
snored itS dangers, so far as this world is concerned, and un-
derstand thoroughly the ebligat ions which should have dissuaded'
them frolu promoting it.—(Cheers.) But, sir, on the part of
theseet ith whom I have been Privileged to aet,• I feel that I may,
say, amtin my .1-eii name I most solemnly affirm that _the mo-
tives ascribed TO its are altogether the invention-of him who inse•
Pates therri. Most wirting:y would 1 see the Church of England
to irland;ntede subject to a fair trial. Most willingly would I
hear 'fiery, , .
coeirplaint aeainst her ezaeatned—every inaintiatinn
or charge against her cloctriMs dr her temporalities, estimated
at its dee importance; and any charge, which Was for het good
and the nati,mai welfare, tea the interests of religion fearlessly
carried into exec.:lithos, brthe Church of En glaud,---that I arraign'
the doctrineseif Retire. 'llly motives are such as t declare-thee-I
y eNdaining, Wherever men assemble, the justice of the
eleinis Which th.e'Y had once distinctly_ acknowledged. No,
they have one privilege by swearing inoath—,they may convert
privilege .into view by breaking it; and many who hall
Pledgee, th.eruselves solemnly to support the minister in his diffi-
.
cnities, are fuutel to Le raring up the' diffiehltiee and crea-
ting the perils by which his right.; are be overherrie. if
in a state of things like this, it was an object to expose the
. principles and purposes of these who week' sap the foundations
Of right be fi aud, and shake there by violence, there is surely
nothing in suce an object which demands 'concealment ; and.
wheir-the times are such that gentle words must be spoken, and
just indignation smothered, when Circumstances of great enor-
toke are hinted at—when men have so-forgotten the terms in'
whickperjury and plunder should be denounced;that altoinish
bisherS shall lioastfully declaim upon the successful issue of the
v;°.lVsce which heiwas sworn
_to repress—when the gevernment
snail be foiled courting congratulations on what it pleases to
term the tranquillity of the realm, while every now and then
shocks are 'fearfully felt, and warnings fitfully uttered, which
proclaim the stillness of deceitwhile, wherever the calm re-
mains:unlit oken, it is but as the repose in which violence re-
(none itself when it has triumphed over law, would-it be unna-
• tural*ere we to speak of those wrongs and sufferings_ which we
are Made to endure? If I might be allowed to introduce an
irregularity, sir, into your meeting, I would prove that our de-
signs are single. Dr. Murray has said that the Church of
ilingtand, unless she reforms her homily, and the Church of
Scotland her Catechism, neither have any right to complain of
bees; . As to the Church of Scotland she will not bestow to do
her duty. (Hear, hear.) The Church of England I hope, and
she is called upiin hir it, will de hers. Our church pronounces
that-in her homilies are sound doctrines, but our church does
not say, does riot believe, that every word in them is perfect, or
that every, word is inviolable in anything but the Holy Scrip-
tures, But Dr. Murray charges us with being wrong in the
very otitwork'of our church. He charges us at once with here-
sy, end 'with caring less for doctrines than interests. Might it
not be expedieut, to, address a letter to Dr. Murray, calling
'Mon bite distinctly.to,naree the grounds of his accusations
against our church. ' (Loud cheers.) The letter might be
written iu some .such way as the following; not that I would.
preseribe.ndirect form, but it might be a sort of platfOrm on
which the substatiee could be placed. Thus ..--" Most reverend
sire—You have been pleased to inculpate the Church of Beg-
)and by a statement which insinuates that she teaches doctrines
of equaliniquity with, these set forth by Professor Dens. On
behell of the Charch of .Eugland I call upon- you to name the
grounds of such as accusation, and so far fiorn being angry or
visiting your reply .with opprobrium, I hereby state that we shall
Meek you fOrStlie Communication, and that if you make it
known to us that there. are in our church any such gross
bleinislies as the doctrines of not keeping faith and the hunt-
ing Wdeith otheretics, you will find us diligent in prosecuting
the remedies for the removal of such blemishes, of the existence
of f vrgCli..,We .iiever hitherto bad any notion." -Might it not'
ne e.4e'qenl'iti address a letter of this sort tette! reverend
sioet464g:Why do ice oppose the doctrines of the Church of
%nig! e,Ysitteis...beceuse
,their doctrines are false I (Cheers.)
k
I trick I.4ffesis mt 911;u who hears .me who would not be hs
react, 4:k„;:c x.lput egainst the, Church or E,ngland as against
the .),thr . RE-p,g-p69,7 if he could find that her doctrine:: were
4i,1/4,
clegra4 the same iniquity. .We should, he Willing, to
chaiike, ~A,,ig if we could see in our system the saineerrors
that eygageelin the Church of "twee. 'l'hey were errors of long
standiug. f hula° !het those . ineuahers if the ..Church of
.Iloine
in li.:elaod, •.i ho Will Ale6dily see bow they have', tioeti misled,
and-A.olp if they jind that they cannot reform the 'errors of that
.T.htl4sli:will-assoileeeeine out efit, (Hear, hear, and cheers.)
La -tliha,piriteiglhe-evords of yoUr., sepia .will I conclude-pre-
vialstijek.theisignoisal of the tesolntionwhich bus been entrusted
to Ilse•Olipee,,,werds which express your firm and deliberate de-
terietiniejeecialisset, the authority of God must not beset aside ;
that•thFrtesesreye`aled truths that both rulers and people may
and Ogists'sleseiltnow it; that both rulers and people are bound to.
give st,peactical reverence in their council chamber, in the
aenaletlAeuln the school, in the family, as well 41S the closet;
thatll,Apthip4r fellow-coutitrytnen he ignorant of this high.
Prineifileaed..the duties cousequent thereon, .they should be
instructed; if any have forgetten, they should be reminded;
if any be'. hesitating, they should be decided;' if any be timid,
they shoUld he encouraged; 'if any be supine, they should be
stimulated, So,that our rulers may know, and the nation may
kno-w, had 'the Whole civilized world may know, that England
and itio,Bible are so linked together that no infidel philosophy,
ho caris4..coinpseinise, ..no `unnatural coalition between the
tlis4ples',Of liberality, and the disciples of intolerance can
4issolve thesindiSsolulile.boud. Awl that when liberalism shall
s
'taws? succeeded in extinguishing the voice of conscience, when
VoPery shall have sueeeded in enthroning the dogmas of her
nliostpasy in the Chair of. unquestioned iufallibility, when in-
fidelilyshall have succeeded .in burning up the last copy of the
biblesessaseinli, when atheism shall have succeeded in expelling,
the going hum his own creation, then, 'but not before,
shall be deprived of her Constitution, the palladium of
eivifs,t4 t.ei.iB..u.s liberty among ehaukind." - This is the
ldri,tl4sAschich•protcstants .should meet together. (Loud and
siongssenisAn' ttecl cheering.) The reverend gentleman concluded
by moving "That the, repert be adopted, printed, and circulated."
Ts Voits.:sgii, P.sq-.,.:,brietly seconded the mutiou, which was
caeried utiassiensitilk, - • ' .
The .liev.2ll;VsN'ei LE rose to Propose the next resolution,
and was greeted with enthusiastic cheers. He said,--Mr:Chair
man, ladies. and gentletnen, I had fully expected that the time
of the meeting would have been occupied, not only by our, res
verend • friend who has just addressed you, but by our absent
brother the Itavißnbert McGhee, of whom. I need say ne.more
than; that his defence is as ample as his accusation is acrimoni-
ous. lenention,,it to account for my comparative non-prepara-
tion to oectipy the place in which I now stand I shy "prepa-
t-am," because I would unfeignedly shriek front tresspassing on
the indulgence of ,rov kiiid friends whoui I see around me, stud
Whose indulgence I have indeed preViously experienced,-I
would nufeionedly shriek from presuming to occupy the pose-
tionin which. 1 f stand, Without having madethe fullest and most
Pains-taking preparation that. tune and opportunity would per-
mit. • Buts ,I said al; C), " comparative non-preparation,"—be-
cause, Sir, I eicauk my QatL. through Jesus Christ our Lord,
that. in she catiee of Protestantism; Which is the cause of ever-
lnstingsteuthshaelies not tertine to lie at atty. time wholly unpre-
pared. Alsoiet sliee.4ls.). Nei*, sir,: I:would take the liberty,
In the first pliteei4sff addressing a few words to any individuals
in this vast assembly, who may be unfriendly to the object for
Which this meeting is, eouvened. I would request such .persons
to remember what I doubt not will be received' as.a truth bythe
intelligentnereens before me, that peblieeneetings'of anything
'aPptoaching,to the dimensions of the present are not suitable
arenas for theological discussiuns.. The subjects invoked in such
discussions demand patience,—they demand investigation,—
before a verdict can with any propriety be pronounced. There-
fore, while public meetings are admirable mediums for giving
an impulse, tu already willing minds, they are altogether unsuit-
able places for. theological -discussions. Therefore, if any of
our Roman Catholicjellow townsmen should next week, or the
week after, at their own convenience, choose to convene a pole.
lie meeting at this place, and. appoint-their speakers, and give
forth tickets, and-declare that the meeting is not for discussion,
"id that no person will be alloweddo speak, but under the di-
rection of the chair, I will Yenture, to promise for the Protes-
'inht community of. this town,—if any of them come into this
house. on such an occasion, and with the privilege of such a
ticket--thatthey will remain quiet, and give no disturbance to
their Romeo Catholic neighbours. (Vehement cheering.)
Now, sir, among the various characters which have been lavishly
and very gratuttously . bestowed on me of late, one has been
'that of a prophet. - (A. laugh.) I lay no claim, neither have I
'ftver done so, to -so high an office; but as I do desire to make
myself agreeable to all toy friends, and as it is never too
'ate to do well, behold, I shall make -my first attempt. and ut-
ter a prophecy.- (Laughter and cheers.) In the course of the
following week there shall be a puzzle in the minds of some of
'Or "esteemed contemporaries," as the gentlemen of the press
have it, what they are to do as to a representation of this.meet-
ing; and there shall appear a peiagraph headed "Orange Elo-
quence and T ovy. Misrepresentation." (Tremendous cheer-
ing and laughter.) It will run after this fashion,—(continued
laughter,)—"
tighter The Tories are at their old works,—(coutinued
)_...0f bigotry and calumny against their Roman Cat ho-
li . • • •
cstellow-sliblects. (Laughter.); They had another exhibi-
lbition last Tuesday, in the Ampitheatre,—(cheers and laugh-
-1:;",)—at which a person who calls. himself the Rev. Mortimer..`,! Sullivati,—(continued laughter,)—added to his already long
list of false cease:es against the Catholic Church,—(cheers ;)e--
"'I. not content with the vague expressions of polemical vitu-
peration, he • assailed, with the most disgusting personalities;
that meekest of nil meek prelates, the most Rev. Dr. Murray."
(Cheers and laughter.) The prophecy is not yet quite finish-
erle---( Laughter.)—l still suppose myself reading from " our
esteemed, " who ones on to say, "This gentleman was followed
laughter, in which the
ily oUr own Ilugo,"—(convulsions of
". gentleman heartily jo;ned,)—" who in a strain of intole-
tynle ridicule, anticipated our account of the meeting; and. con-
, 11"ol him, he slid it in so. much better language, than we can
s',',"intalltl. that aes don't .know what to say about the matter."
enee (el ',beet log and laughter.)-- .Well, sir, so much thrpso-
. ' ""v• I have a great advantage in this;
Ite/11 because ant; of these
kluenwho are-so iimlined, can make me a true prophet in
1"° or three days, (pointing to the reporters.) (A laugh,) But