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of the BM of VMS, and chit it was toot car into effect ; but did
`lte rikollectiaisw many different Governments bad °Stained since
then, sontelieeirlsom had even sympathised with the Hon. Member,
and yet they bad not, under the Act,. pet down the Asoiciation ?
He (Mr. 1) j had voted for the' suppression of that Association.
Four years bad elapsed since the Act was la fake, and melting had
been done.' Why T—The Law Olken, the Attorney General, with
hiniself--Air be, in fact, was the proper authority to enforce the
Aito-for tie (Mr. 1).) was only a subordinate Officer, as the Hon.
fileiefier had described him. Every means bad been tried to
accomplish the object, but the attempt was abortive-o-the Law
Officers could not act unless legally. sod the law in question did not
reach the Association, foe it was found to be a difficult Ming to
frame a bill of indictment against seven millions of individuals—
(Hear, hear. and cheers). The Honourable and Learned Gentle.
man then congratulated the House that the public sentiments bad
'been gradually ripening for Emancipation ; for it was through the
House alone that the sentiments of the public could be collected.
—The expression of the sentiments of the Members were evi-
dence of that fact—(Loud cheering). The peace and prosperity
of • Ireland would mainly depend upon the manger In which the
queslion is carried. He knew of no danger .o great as ap-
pealing to the passions and prejudices of men. lie thought it much
better to gather the opinions of all, at the lame time giving those
Members of a contrary sentiment lull credit for their .opinions.
If the measure was to be carried, it ought to be done with grace
and with healing oa its wings. The lion. and Learned Gentleman.
in alluding to the sentiments delivered by the Member for Liver.
pool (Mr. Huskisson), on a former evening, when he lamented
that Mr. Canning was not alive to share the praises of the measure
of conciliation, observed, that be equally lamented with his Right
Honourable Friend that be was not present—one common feeling
animated them both. He regretted that that great Statesman
had not lived to reap the rewards of his liberal policy—to see it
made a Cabinet measure, and to tarry it to completion—(Hear).
Mr. HUSKISSON said he 10110111 J ttespa‘s but a short.
time on the attention of the House. The method now proposed
was clearly the most efficient for putting down the Association. hue
if this measure, which would in fact be a suspension of the Coe•
stitution In Ireland, was proposed unaccompanied with the other,
he should not be prepared to give it his support. Four years back
the Government was much occupied in deliberation upon the sub.
ject now before them. He was not at liberty to state what occur-
red in the eablisetMember.of which he was then a Member. This much
however be might say. that it was deemed impossible to proceed
further without suspending the constitudea so tar as regarded Ire.
land. Seeing bow the Act of 1825 worked, he became convinced
that noting .could put down the Associalon, but an arbitrary
power, such as that which the Government now proposed to
establish for a filed period. , Was the Member for Dorset pre-
Owed to say that such a power se this was to be permanently
eseablisbed ? For his own part„be would declare that he never should
[consent to the granting of such power, unless acco npaided with a
prospect of getting rid of that state of things in which the
Association bad its birth. It was with this view he should
now support tfie proposition of his Right Honourable Friend. I
It was inconsistent with the Constitution, and with the exercise
of the due and necessary powers of Government. that such an
Association should exist. It was the more desirable that it
should be put down under present circumstances, when the ex.-
pressed intentions of Government were likely to give eke to no
small degree of excitement, while the measure by which' the
intentions were to be carried into effect was sander dikussion
He deprecated with the Member for Kent the use of scrinionlom
-language' and he ousted. while this subject was under c'nddera.
dots. ttielr proceedings would be marked on all sides by forbearance
and gotal temper. Allusion bad been made by the Member fur
Prescott (Mr. &apley). and by the Mein's. r for Kent, to the lan-
guagekcasinoally employed in cestaia public vehicles of
In one of those vehicles an address bad lately appeared from
a person of no meatiinflueuce or station in the country (Lord Win.
chihea), in which they would find that a majority of that• House
were designated as degenerate Senators—(Hear, hear!) lie tooted
that the example of such an appeal to the passions, if not to the
errors of the people would not be followed, but that the rational
and just suggestion of the Member for Kent would Invoke dee
weight, and _that the discussion would be conducted with good
temper and moderation—(
Mr. Secretary PEEL said that the unanimous agree-
ment of the House would have rendered it totally unnecessary for
him to add another word or what be had already stated. if it were
not fur the personal appeal which bad been made to him by the
Honourable Member for Dorset, whom he would still take the
liberty of allies his friend. It was asked by him why the
Catholic Awociation were allowed to acquire the energy and
bionics to which they had attained? Ilk ready answer was,
that the state of disunion in the Councils of his Majesty almost
of necessity prevented the suppression of that body. The Go.
veronica never evinced the slightest indisposition to carry the
law c 41528 into effect, if be found it could be done with effect.
The fact was otherwise, and to have tried an attempt likely to fail
would be much worse than to tolerate the continued exiwence of
the Association. If be were to state all the reasons in detail which
would be necessary for the four years since 1825, they could pro-
duce but little informrtion to the House ; but again be would re-
peat that the disunion" in the Councils of the King mainly led to the
results which called for a measure for the suppre.lion of the Catho-
lic Association. He here begged leave to say that be eras art calous
to the reproaches of his Honourable Friends; but, under sein-
ing circumstances, be was sure that they would do u he had
done with a view to the promotion of the best interests of the
country. With respect to the attack made so personally against
him by the Honourable Member for Dorset, be admired it more
for its boldness then for its justice; and when be was asked how he
bad changed, he would ask his Hun. Friend ( Mr- Bankes) bow be
himself had reconciled the change which he bad made since the year
1511 or 1812, when be voted with Mr. Canning for the con-
sideration of the very identical question to which he was now -so
strenuously opposed?—(Cheers)—ln the conduct of his Honour-
able Friend (Mr. Bankes), be found his own and his best vindica-
tioo—o(Here the Right Honourable Secretary read an extract front
tbe,speech of Mr. Bankes In 1512), and concluded by stating, that
be Orlef, fors charge, sad an unlounded charge of inconsistency,
would sacrifice the best interests of his country—(Cheers).
Mr. BANKES—I hope the House will indulge me
with a few words, after what has just fallen front the Right Ilea
Gentleman. lam perfectly aware of the circumstances under
which I became a party to the vote moved by Mr. Canning at the
end of the Session of 1812. 1 was certainly extremely desirous of
seeing the question settled, sod I hoped that it might be arranged
to the satisfaction both of Protestant. and Catholics ' • but the too..
ment it was communicated to me that nothing short of concession
of seats in both Houses would satisfy the Carbolic*, l strenuously
opposed the proposition I had advocated, in the hope of concilia-
tion. My opinion is, that the moment you admit Roman Catholics
to political power, there is an end of the Prete. ant Mstabliehment
in Ireland. As to the rest, I admit, apd persevere in the expres-
sions read by the Right Hoe. Gentleman. I never blame any man
for a conscientious change of opinion ; on the contrary, I praise
him (or, it; but then the reasons for the change must be adequate.
The. Bight Honourable Gentleman tells us that his motives for
changing ,are such as he knows, and we do not know ; and true it
is,, that he has never laid his case before us. As for myself, I beg
to say, that I do stiU desire extremely to see thesd claims settled,
and to gibe the Roman Catholics everything short of political
power—( Hear. and laughter). This opinion is quite consistent
with the opinions I have before expressed, and with the votes I
have hitherto given.
Mr. PEEL—I appeal-to the House whether. I made
the first attack oa my Honourable Friend, and whether !have not
a right to quote his own opinions in my vindication?—(Hear). I
think with him, that the question ought to be settled, and that it
mu-t be settled : differ as to the nature and degree of the
power to be conferred.
The Question was then put; and leave was given to bring in a
Bill " for the Suppression of Dangerous Associations or -Astern.
blip in Ireland."
Mr. PEEL afterwards brought in the Bill. and It was read a
first time. The second reading was fixed for Thursday, and in the
interval it was ordered that the Bill be printed.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
the House west into a Committee of Supply ; that part of the
King's Speech which related to the subject being referred mit. • •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, That
a supply be granted to his Majesty's' which was agreed to,
The Report having been brought up, it was ordered so be re-
ceived to-morrow.—Adjoarned at Tan o'CLoca.

Viscount Gunn= transacted business yesterday at the Fo-
reign Mice, Downing-street-
Count blwrascawas (understood to be charged with a special
mission from the Emperor of Russo to this Govetninent) bad a
long conference with the Earl of Assam= yesterday, ac the Office
of the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Vountitsg•street-