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setter,
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Siete Mts.— -Klllltteritcms er. Stmt. St A sTsua
flee* ' his. Attest weft heard as Counsel ter the App W.
&Ad adjoureett tin Manday.
limn* situ.
Th4ll Order of the Day for She Commitment of the
1111 Utiny lidi being read. Lord WALUTIONADI took
tAdchait. The Preamble being postponed. ,
The Duke of Noßrot.t expressed his ',wislitti'
know ir there were ant alterations intrntkt:to
*thildritiny Bill ffir the preieht year; ilia'. it ;
Prerutit.ird'm former pus t - . 1
that rai.l of LIVZRPOOL expJaineel-gmerant.i
there Were 'some kW altvratiesits *wisdom& in '
the Bill mid& eonsidetratimfl blipttoy weft oft 4 *lt
ielkettunt .nituret__- With the i* cirlogrOlf -th Viler,:
siveti'tlitpurts Martial •itrishluspexi *w puniih-,
went's* be inflicted on del4iwelts.• •The Court, by
die new proviiian: will have ihst option to substitute,
Imprisonropm-forthe-mode7 cif. .•Corporal punishment
hitherto Fanelli', adopted; ii they shall deem meet
orOteflidnr. '• -1. •"' • ••• f. ' ' ' • .. .
to Earl of RADPOR fab it incumbent en him
-iiihniit for thiLlid'opt;ou orthitVoltirdittee, 'as pro-
in the Dill by way of Amendment, two proposi-
. • he•first, his Lordship in a ln* tone bf voice en-
to relitero Os* poivertliff tl*-Jtidge Advocate,
illpeCi to instittifhig* prOsediitions. It sbmilld
tie recollected that this 91ficer was the Counsel and
161P-tbsiviser of the Court, situations which his Lord-
tor
0041004 to arrue were incompatible
pr with his pre
-
.....,.„......, ...i... , ....Sat I Gare,..l. 0.0 iIISCCUti:I,
... pritlOkblelgarre propoSitinn appeared to be,
• lit 4400_114ittie there *Wild be no private prose-
- titatatApet.' ' other than the Judge Advo-
' -`,l institotethe prosecution.
the proposition
lush considers-
iinportant alteration
ad•fits• which no in- ,
arisen. He era* not ,
, decided opinion as
it, it should be
• in question was
in its decisions

had alluded,

sien•had ..
ous person (t.
_Chief of the P ...
__.:_ -
=ed by the Noisitteri, .. . . aitititi-ii.
to, and such, idea that 'period: •ha ' Ole
Villain practice in the • arm TO hisett '• '
thereforkof the nature proposelby the 'flak Earl,
w.eakl to call in clout:Wake intehtion'ag4.sincetity
with which such orderi had been issued, and give,
aece to an insinuation and an inference thatl
sucl..
orders had not been duly atteudelto and esetin.l
ted:, Than such an hisinnition or inference, nothing
kould be more unfounded. Government his; ever..
since the issuing of these orders, been vigiliintlr ob..
'servant of their doe and tusiform execution, and dim
'eircurnstances, at least one of them, alluded to by dip
Noble-Earl, had no reference to the present case, arid'
was not occasioned by a wish or attempt to enjoin,
any particular place or mode of worship I but was
the punishment usually inflicted upon a man who, on
the march from the parade should be found out of the
' ranks. Such was the case and the punishment refer..
red-to by the Noble Earl ; and it assist be obvious to
their Lordships that it was not in print. The Noble
it Earl concluded with repeating the observatiens, that
it was neither the disposition nor the intention df Go.
vernment to depart from the spirit or the practice in.
which the orders of the Commander .in Chief had kr
reference to this point been first issued, and since uni.-
girmly acted tipon.
The Marqois of LANSDOWNE acknowledged
such to be the disposition and the practice of Govern-
ment both here and in Ireland, but still be did not
see the fairness of the Noble Secretary's argutnent,
that, by admitting dt clause, that disposi-
tionli would be called into . ht. Sue; he could not
conesive n" 'to be the fla a legislative declaration
such as that proposedLaois Noble Friend. On the
contrary, the object of such declarations was not to
give rise to, but to remove doubts, if any such hap-
pened to exist. He felt how very important was the
point now under discussion. Their LOrdsliipswobld not
forget that the part of the United Kingdom to which
it chiefly referred had long beet: roost productive for
the recruiting service, and promised to be still more,,
and the demands for that service were more likeiy to
increase than dithinish. Of WhitimpOrtauce there-.
fore was it not that no impediment or discourage.
ment should exist in a part of the United. ghtpdom
so resourceful, in . this respect, to the success dew
military means ? If any doubt diould'ezistin sb de.,
licate a point as that of eonicience as 'tip Modes'- .
faith and worship, should not every 'care and_kteesirien
be used to remove, .I=4'4 is ta-r.• could they he
*rot:, 4iiefftially refused than by enabling the te-
tiuitiug Serjeant to refer to the present bill, tog Rohn
out the particular clause in it, which guaranteed col
every man the free exercise of that , faith and worship '
to which his judgment and conscience gave the pre-
ference ? In this view of the queition. he thought 1
the clause moved by his Noble Friend, was just, ex-
pedient, and politic; and it should therefore have his
hearty concurrence.
, Earl srthzcEi; could not but consider the clause
as unnecessary. He happened to have been in a si-
tuation which enabled h,n os know that the Orders
issued at that time by the Commander in Chief had
been strictly attended to ; and that they hid since
been executed with equal strictness and attention. As
I lung therefore as they were punctually executed, he
was not aware of the necessity of any legislative mea-
sure in this respect ; but as he approved of the prin-
ciple of the clause, so would he be ready to support it
any time when he should see a fair necessity for its
adoption.
Earl STANHOPE briefly replied. The Noble
Lord exulted in having brought forward a clause, the
principle of which no Noble Lord bad been hardy
enough to question, and to have gained this point was
to him matter of great triumph, and would be felt 'as
suth by all honest, impartial, and reflecting men.—
That consideration aline was fully sufficient to in-
duce to persevere in his motien.
The Committee then divided on Earl Stanhope's
Amendment :
Contents 11—Non-contents 22--Majority against
'l. the Amendment 11.
The remaining-clause: of the bill, after a few words.
from the Earl Of Rossr.ire and Lord KING, were then
agreed to by the Counittee, and the bill war after:
wards reported without any amendment. .
Their Lordships then resolved into a Committee
on the Marine Mutiny Bill, when
The Earl of-LIVERPOOL rose, and observsd
that as some degree of doubt seemed to prevail with
respect to the application of the Martial Law to the
Royal Marines serving on shore m foreign parts, he
thought it belt to-temove•all shadow of doubt by an
express provision in the present Bill for the purpose.
With respect to Marines serving on shore, in the do-
Iminions of hie Majesty, the law was clearly expressed
in the present as hi former Dills, but it was ovident
, 1-''very 'usefulieldieri may be ettliderkl onritbrej,
Failiegi es in foreign parts, as e'er eel the cue (6 a
erserigetable amount in Portugal. Hs thereinto
•as an amendment, that after she word
.11437ut0ti1," Steil& be ' inserted 44 or in fottiget
parts." This meeting the concurrence of their Lord.
i ships, k was ordered accordingly • and the Retook
' of the Bin was ordered to be received; ea Isinothip,
1— • Tee stimiirt's 1141 MAGS• ' '
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE. said, as he dui
the 'Whin Earl ia his place, lie should then mention
) $ circumstance, respectiug which he 'doubted not but
Noble Lords opposite would honchoed to acconitnts-
date. On Mimcliy heti their Lordships stood sue.
smoned for the eensideration 'of an 'Address to ht
i.Royal Highness the Prince Regent; on the mess*
of his late Message respecting the defence of Port*
gal. This was a discussion at which he was desks*:
of being present ; but it happened that on that veil
day he was engaged, as he believed was the case with'
some other Nolole Lords, to attend a Meeting ~ insti.
tuted for charitable purposer.—(The meeting, we be-
lieve, of the Benevolent Society of Saint Patrick.)—•
He therefosi bad to request that the discussion allud.
-led to should be postponed from Monday to same
ethal. day in she ensuing weeks

powers vested .
manner. 'No in-
repeat, found to arise from ehe '
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prisieicsk: I'M-Noblc Earl adverted in terms of ap-
prolanion us the offiCial conduct of the present Judge
d_tft 10, antlyspressed his opinion it would be pre.
fors,.W Out the'Nolile Earropposite should not press
past an Ansendintist in the present instance, but suf.
fey* tsi.lie-over for discussion to a future opportunity.'
Thitivl ef fI.ADNOR then, after ixxprreetains his
"IbigketY Atm n, 1, -brought 1 • ' . Si Siena
tileetneition,! which iefaria to die titiii for instituting
tilithoinitiass Tel "idritiiiis within the purview of the
ipitAia Wltteh lie-thought should be limited to Some
sarior*eir:rarlihr. of &kyle; theinoirVal, accord.
Vel'tho dietance of -chi place fectth 'fioriti'swherre.t„,,,
• . tiVere Cartimltieg,ineh IS 'easel 0c,,--a-fileg in
toilifkoe -4ost 'cif the cepa
.Of corit !lope i east Of
Onaliation,itnos in quartos nearer home. ..
.:•,•: • l!issitt coOvereklixt` arriss-the table took place
.... tins thiailrolperiition, between his Lordship and
of I.Avittkoot, and Roott.ios The result
-'l4-..1, upon the suggestion of. the Noble Secretary
aftitite4 it was also agreed to be withdrawn for the
_ream', and again brought brward, if deemed ad-
:`ilable, at the third reading of the Bill, Orsome future
**twirl. •
!_. ... . anwil eATWILIC SOLDIERS&
' Earl STANHOPE rose to propose a separate
gime -to the Bill, of the justice, policy, and propriety
-Of which, be was confident that every Noble Lord
.mutt be 'sensible. The clause which be should have
%the honour of moving would go to rescue a very nu-
.,. lestroui class of men from the most despotic tyranny,
...die most desperate 'oPpression which was ever at-
.tempted to be exercised over human beings. • Their
1 ;,ordships must be aware of certain circumstances
•eellich, from their recent occurrence, it was woneces.
• jjary for him to state, which should make the adop.
*ion of the clause he had in view, not only expedient,
-but absolutely necessary. Their Lordships must bear
in mind, that nearly the half of the British navy and
army }seas composed of Dissenters from the Establish-
ed Church,- that these Dissenters amounted in num-
ber to four or five millions of persons, if not more;
ilgaluthat•the,House must be sensible of the serious
satisolosnoes that might ensue from any severe 1
• unjustmeksnre that should affect so large a class
the eominonity. He would not now repeat the
MrPresilons and distinctions made use of in discus-
/tofu of dais:topic by the Noble Secretary of• State—
. was his wish and intention to'keep clear.of every
*tint irritating ancresasperating. It should in his
rum le opinion, also be the .wish and study of Mi-
gisters ttrebstain from all ustasures of an irritating
tool ointsperating 3:atom and it was with a view to
ttlford themiti-oppertnitity of manifesting such a din.
. jposliliim, that he iisaahlrnive the clause, he had pre-
- ,as. eandd their Lordship.s- pereeiwyntir thing
lows cruelly !ran**, more mstOtirOeVressiliks
1114 that a latr this of men, the Romani zetholier,
tOr Instance, or any ether iacription of 'Dissenters,
should lot impelled to adopt a mode of worship of
i which tbsysSitwor approve, or bs-rventbd• Or bun-
limed frids-parniing •that4bich their codsciettee and
soovietionlarresented to them as the best; yet such
taetiratrelleeviiTed.• Ana here 'he could net but
eitO7tlig:st halmiratile letter a- Lordllarringtiv en
this eithfeit, *164. shared that Noble Earl to be as
goAest AG he was an honourable msn; ant! which to
! q - need suth a Tivactite. Vkilfrritivistilsi
! ' . teho were Protestahts, say; feel; and
' Al of a regulation; by which they were-compelled
• Ilium,' mato, mad join in a Worship which they, were
to confide as idolatrous ? If their thoughts
gat ?feelings Wootd justly be indignak,at the idea of
ii such a cottpuhion, must they net confess that the
minds 9f the Catholics, under similar.circumstances,
. would, with equal justice, revolt at the idea of such.
an attempt at oppression? They would no doubt i
• recollect that the essence 'of justice was to tiO as we.
wished to be dealt by, and they would act. on the
,principle of that fair recollection. He did not- see
-upon what jest grounds any Noble Lord could object
to' lah clause; but if it were objected to, he should
taketbeienie of the Committee upon it. The Noble
:Earl concluded with moving a clause to the follow-
jug elect--u That ao Roam Catholic or ether die

itt the ordinary es:
1
under their respective
'visions of the Act of
had been formed ; •
completely correct
' hitisseif that the
very material, and
;in another year...-
al proceed as briefly
t heads, stating gene-
of charge, and efionld
. any further irdor.
nation the subjects _light be required by the
Committee. And first, with respeet to the ordinary
Estimates of the Navy. These wete divided into
three heads—The first included the salary and expen-
ilium of the Admiralty and N.tval apartment, the
dock-yards, the commissions of out-posts iQ fpreign
Irleattions,thiwages and victualling of seamen, and die
repairing of ships in ordinary, and civil charges of the
Victualling peparttnent. 'The second head included
the half-pay of Officers of the Navy and Marines, to
teCher with military pensions and allowances, as
kinguished *from civil. The third head included the
antlerannuations and pensions of the different Civil
Officers in the Navy, whether in the dock-yards or
elsewhere. With respect to the first head, the total
expence of the salaries of the Admiralty and Navy
Office was, for the present year, 01713,520. Las:
year it was £174,081, making an increase in the pre-
sent estimate of £2,438. This increase upon- the
whole of the estimate (for in several of the items there
was a considerable saving), vets attributable to the
salaries of the First Lord of the Admiralty, of the
Treasurer of the Navy, &Cs which had formerly been
charged on the fund proceediag from the sale of
old stores, being now Introduced into the estimates ;
and to some additions to the salaries of several of
the Clerks in the various Offices, who hail served for
a long period. The total charge for the dock-yards
was £188,006. Last year it had been £181,732.
so that there was an increase in the present estim.e..-
of £6,224, which was to be ascribed to nn ,rumen.
tation in the number of watchmen erardens who
had the custody of the differ:at; public works, and
to other circumstances. The charge in the present
estimates for Cotentissioners and Officers of Out-
Posts and Feroitg*Stations, was £47,935. Last year
it had ',eh £t1e,133. There was an increase there-
for: cf £9,532, which was caused by the salaries of
several of the Officers at Bombay, &c. being for the
L first time included in the estimates. The charge for o,e
wages and victualling of seamen for the ships in or.
dinary, was nearly the same as last year ; but in the
estimate of repairs,' &c. there was an excess of
£44,670, Which *as acconated for by the necessity
of completing some works at Deptford, Portsmouth,
and Plymouth. The estimates for the present year
for the civil charge cf the Victualiing Department
was £111,163 ; last .ear it had been 47131,395.—i
There was a saving in this estimate of 020,23 i. He
now came to the second head of the Ordinaries,
namely, the Half-pay Military Pensions, &c. The
Estimates for the Half pay of tie present year was
£270,(X)0 ; last year it had been €250,000. There
was therefore an augmentation of 010,000, owing to
a greater number of racers being unemployed at the
present period. In the estimate of Military Pensions,
&c. there was an excess over the similar estineite of
List year, amounting to £4,422, arising from a great
number of small items, chiefly pensions greeted to
Wounded officers, to the widows and children of i.ffi-
cers, &c. The third and last head of the ordinaries
was the superannuation: of,pensions to the civil offi-
cers of the Navy. In the estimate for the present
year would be bound a vast number of items not in-
cluded in the estimates of former years, and compre-
!lending a 'liege proportion ot those charges which
had hitherto been defrayed out of the fund arising
from the sale of old stores. The apparent excess was
necessarily considerable. The estimate of 1810 had
been 023,683, the present estimate was £42,822 ; so
that there was an increase of £19,139.-So much for
the Ordinary Estimates of the Navy, which altoge-
ther amounted to £1,578,413. He would then pro-
ceed to the Extraordinaries, consisting of the expences
in the King's Ya-ds, of the repairing and building of
ships in Merchants' Yards, and of various works in
different yards. By a difference of arrangement its
Abe form of the estimate, it would be found, that in
the charge for the King's Yards, although the items
were ot the same description as those in the estimates
of Lust year, there was a decrease of £55,660, not-
withstanding in the item of Milliard there was an ex-
cess of £5,418. In the estimates, however, of build-
ing and iepairing in merchants' yards, and of works
in the dock-yards, there was a very great increase,
owing to the necessity of completing several ships
which had for some time been seasoning—to the
works which were carrying an at Sheerness—and to
the proposed Wet Dock • at Malta, which last item
alone was £lO,OOO. The increase in these estimates
of building and repairing in merchants' yards. and of
works in the dock-yards, was £208,193. The total
of the extraordineries of the Navy amounted, for the
present year, to £2,646,200. In 1810, the total het
been k 1,84.1,000 ; the increase, therefore-1805,9W
—The next estimate to which he should direct the.
attention of the committee, was that for Victualling
the Army at Oittporta and Foreign Stations. That
estimate for last year had been £854,314 t for the
present year it was £1,113,394. There was an in-
' crew, therefore, of £259,580, which w•. Attr;biltelble
to the large force employed abroad.—'l he only re-
maining subject of consideration was the 'Transpoct
Set vice. The estimate of the present year tier t,111;
service very much exceeded that of 1810. This re-
cess arose from two causes—the fire-, the great aug-
mentation of prisoners of war, and true necessity Of
provid•ng proper means for their security and main-
tenance; the second, the increase which had tekeo
place in the salaries anctcontingencies of the Trans-
port Office. The estimates for the present 3eer wets
as fellow :
For Transports
ForSlek and Wended
For. Maws of War
And foe Salaries, Stationary, &t.

--., other day
'nee of Noblieltirris.'ln this view he'stlibught Thom
dio isorilifloconeligible day: ' .
ThrEarl Of LAUDERDALE took the opportu-
nltylo put a 'question to Ministers upon spirant aohich
, isesthotight it would be importaOt Noble Lords should
be Orate of. The Message mentioned some propossd
foodseeassistartee ; the worth were s' to continue the
same support to the Portuguese Government for the
present year, and to affoid such further assistance," '‘
Ike. He hoped the Noble Earl would have no objec- the
titan to state what further additional sum it was pro- gethei
posed to require ? ' tinguislo
The Earl of LIVERPOOL answered, he had not soperannu.,
the least objection to afford the s'ble Lord the infor- Officers in t..
oration he desired. TheieLordships would be aware elsewhere. IN,
that the amount could not be regularly stated in the expence of the sa.
Ifirst instance, as such was -ndt agreeable to the forms Office was, for the
lor usages of that House. The proposition with respect year it was sCl74,oflt
Ito the sum requisite must originate in another place. sent estimate of L'2,43..
[The sum which it was intended to propose on the whole of the estimate (fort,
~ present occasion was in the whole two millions (so was a considerable saving),
we understood his Lordship) ; which would coasts- salaries of the First Lord of tr,
tote an additional million, and also make up the deft=
chTrar easur
deron of
the the Nundavy, &c. which
h
f piig
ciency of eighty thousand pounds, in that voted last ge
old stores, being now introduced into ,
year.
After a few words interchanged between Lord and to some additions to the salaries ro
Holland and the Noble Secretary of State, across the the Clerks in the various Offices, who had s
table, the Order for taking the Prince Regent's Mes. a long period. The total charge for the dt.c
sage into consideration on Monday, was discharged, was i:188,006. Last vear it had been IEIBI,
and renewed for Thursday next. so that there was an increase in the present estims..,
in
' DILL. of £6,224. which was to be ascribed to an .otr
sCOTCII CREDITORS ,-..
Upon the motion of the Earl of LAUDERDALE, the Order tation in the number of watchmen
...I,:eie ors '
for going into a Committee on this Wawa, diasheread, and lied had the custody of the differ...art pot-'•
for Monday. to other circumstances. Ille -'
REVEROONARY , GRANTS. estimates fur Corofoio:-
. On the motion of Lord GROSVENOR, the order for the se-
Posts and Forc.;or.
rend mood,: of the Reversionary Orates Bill was postponed from - •
Monday most until Monday se'ntdekt.-Adjournett till Itioutiai. it had
for: elf Leo
TIOUSE OF COMMONS. ~_ •s
Mr. IRVING, the lospectot-General of hatter " •
ph.*rated an et:Count of the quantity of barley
Great ;Piths from foreign ports, and from ire.,; __, _ _
• year..—Orstered to be printed. •
Several other ptiblic documents were presented, but the inau-
dible Mender l wWth they *tiered by the Clerk, rendered it
inipoteible4oe cis to COUeCt their sendeney.
On tge main" of hi r. FOSTER, au Estimate was ordwed to
Wald beetled firiur, of*, Eimer, if the4atioui ~-;`,0'1.1 1
841 A.
elatitler lb
• Mr: , ellyillnokl until ibOree'!..%-is motion respect-
flag tree • ~,u„, . hisl4,W,est Intlitse.
4Ard 4. .4i . r.41.530;i0r Tuesday his motion for an Ac-
Salo°,l et in ',..__." ... gleam 4* by the.Attornry-Gerwrai. r
• `''Onorrr:oes- drekd Orders of yeiterday Mere then disposed n
of Its follehtt ' E
, 11.-Oduriattee en Rest Luba Albite en Menflay. &
Ti! ascend reading of the Irish and Engliskllesching BM for
w;
No dif Wittiest.
The sectind reading of the Irish Stage Coach dill for Monday. a 1
'Tbfisifireed reading of the Expiring Laws Bier; the EugavDraw- pre
beets Bill, and, the Southern Whale Fiibery BIN: together with , &c.die report of the Dubeis Wide•etreet Bai, and the Committee on last
the bash Sdgar Bill, this day, after the other public business.
• 'Mr. SHAW gave notice, that on Tuesday he wiled move fur nun
love to bring in a Bill to extend to behind the Embezaiemeut woo
Act, for protecting Masters against Servants. cers,
The Navy Estimates, presented a few evenings ago, by Mr.
was i
R. Waite,. were referred to the Committee of Supply.
Mr. LUSHING'IDN brought up the ItepOrt of the Exchequer cers e
Bills Funding Ell.—The Resolution was agreed to. year 1
Mr. AUSTIN brought up the Accounts relative to the Cha- dude(
rides of Ireland, which had beets movid for.early in the evening. hendin
CoMMITIRE 01 SUPPLY. had hit
Oa the Order of the Day being read that the Holm sh'huld re-
solve itself into a Conatuittee,to consider the Supplies to be granted from tl
tiolita Majesty, . necessai
Mr. WYNNE rose and 'believed, that he deemed it of impor- oceo C.
tease to the order obierved in the House, that tleverious Notices th.'tt. thet
&e. should come on in the seder iii which they were arranged.' the Ordi
He could not see any propriety in making the EsSimetes of supply
precede the reading of the Bribery 11111 i nor could he conceive ther ama
the right which any Member had to pull one Notice over the teed to tl
head of another, which had the right of precedency. Regulations in the Kit
were lately made on the precedence of Notices and Motions, and
ships
ik
certainly the present Order was violating those rules.
Mr.. YORKE replied, that the reading of the Bribery Bill was different y
set so pressing, nor of such importance to the ration as the Esti- • the form o
mates of Supply. He thought, therefore, that the urgency of the the charge
lane' required the precedence. were of die
'Mr. WYNNE said he Only objected to it as a violation of the
Rules, not as a point of expediency. of last year,
The SPEAKER said the Honourable Gentleman Mr. Wynne, withstanding
had remarked origin on the Rules of the House; and since the eels of £5,4
Hon•Gestleman, Mr. Yorke, Pte. deemed the Estimates is Supply •
mg mid rthe dockepa
Nub of such urgency, he ad net tell bow to decide. He wouldleave
Rte. the House. in -)
After a short conversation, between the Chancellor of the Ex. Owing to the
elseipter, Mr. Mimeo, the Speaker, Lord Foikstone, and Mr. which had to
Dundas, the Order of the Day for the Committee on Supplies to works which s
his Majesty was order/310 be read. the proposed I
The question•was then put from the Chair, and the House tvv
solved into a Committee accordingly. alone was RIO
NAVY ESTIMATRS. of building and
Mr. YORKE rose for the purpose of moving the larks in the do
necessary Resolutions for defraying the • expences of of the extraordit
those naval grants, known by the name of the Ordi- present year, to
manes and Extraordioaries of the Navy ; the wear and, been £1,844,000
teir, including the number of seamen with the atten- —The next estin
dant expences, all the miscellaneous grants, &c. having attention of the c.
been already voted. In addition to-she Ordinaries the Army at Olt,
olnd'Esoraorffinaries, he should hate the honour to estimate for last
propose a vote for the Transport service. It would I present year it sat
hay* beets nnneetssaty for him to intrude longer on crease, therefore, o,
atetounnittee at present had it not been fora differ- to the large force
once in the fortis of the Estimates of the present year. maining subject of
He would state the principle on Which that change of. Set vice. The estin
fisOm proceeded; and particularly as it applied to the service very much e.
iVrthteary Estimates. The drank 'rid beep. in con- cers arose from two
aPlesnce of an Act of last Session, by which a great, mentation of prison
ouch in his opinion, an excellent alteration bad been providng proper me.
prescribed. Heretofore it had been customary to state tesance j the second,
In the various ordinary estimates the ;barges for pen. place in the salaries a.
nin • and superannuations under each head, the conse- port Office. The esti,
peaces of which werea difficulty and confusion in dio.l as -follow ;
, covering the total of that hooch of expenditure. Not I For Transports -
only he the form been confused,' but many items had
been omitted, and theestimateshed thereforenotifford.l
ad the fell information whichwas desirable. There wail . , -
another circumstance also to which he wished to drawl
the attention of the Cornittee. Several charges for;
mates, he
Making a Twit of it 406091?
--Having thus gone the the whole of tire esti:
soperannuation. &c. haditeretofore been defrayed out i
of the iptid created 4 the sale of old awes. 11...yrecthet.i
any
dinsitts dtiolawtn,
might epr
be ses iag
consideredhi s readaisnobess.
Act of last Session it had beets very jediciously Ai
eel, that lreceforward all sums raised be the sale of
old stores should be tannin. to account, and that the was £1,678,413 ; but as this account must be cratii.-
charges which ig had haw elistoostr/ so doing Mit ted with the sum wising from the &Ili: of old stores.

inne4 into:
for the last

5e2,15,,E64
531,461
: 124,334
!SASS

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PAAL1,011147774Ar P IttuC ESDINGS.
•
iitOun OF LORDS, MARCH IS.

"Nor, that sobs ititrann other than the
eile'shotrld4ssitisce!!esti. ed to instituteth
Ilettrlf of LIVET:POOL thrsu4ght t
of the Nntsle Marl one that rettnireakim
tion, as oewdiitrg to introduce an impori
in a Intik eitablished tystem; and 41..1ti
ennveniohci aOpea*.sl tcs time arisen.
Prettre4 at the moment to giva a decii
e, proposition. in considering it,
berm hi Mind that though the Officer
dijelsisiatv of the Court, he had no vote
Sesitici•biSdervirad exercised the pov
thetit in the most unexceptionable ma
cossianiest:e, he repeated, was found to

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r. be compelled to ittbinii a einde et *al d :ge ail of LtligitPOOL eltptetlibei his *Aiwa 'of that WU, should be iiittbduoed if
iprollsigratittind
1 he did not
.approor. or be pareen ,of • every accommodation to Noble tonic is his rirnates, and distinctly 'hiked model
1 front fellowinz that of Which he did* . „ WWith suspect to the occasionkliaded to by heads, With a view to the provisic
to Earl of LIVERrOOL did not Jai*. 411.140b1fMarquis, he believed, that if hia Noblei last hessian, the present estimates h
If of the clause, or'theptopriity of the iambs ia , skid ' f. who presented and proposed Ale cos-, and, altliougligy migl.t not be cc
h the Noble Earl Wouldirewe it introducliaiu tbe ' ' ' of the Message (the Marquii Wellesley), io all their parts, he yet flattered
Previous to the letter to which the Noble' 11 *fiat the moment beeiraware of the day which Ile errors were not very ntimerous nor v
alluded, and as Tar hack as 11102, the strictest tw- piiiposed for its consideration; he would have then 'that they might be wholly avoided ii
had been issued by_ Ake authority of -tito-41ustri- 4* sons* ether. (..if ma.), Though the cottsidgra.-; Having said thus much, he would
person (the Duke ff. yet) thew CoomMister la tine of the subject in !petition was'ohe ihatwould not' as he could through the different he
1 of the Forces, thin Do CompOlsion' a talliwhttwit
mewadMi of rritich delay, yet he was willing to postpone rally.the increase or diminution of el
'yenned by the Nolibitiel, should hi loyeireebe' it other day in the week, to ilia- the eottveni- ' then hold himself ready to afford
. w_.!. r. .1..,...,,.. hip rtiottoht Thurs. oration on the subjecto that might t