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London, England, 1829-03-19 00:00:00

fared put that beyond cootrover.y. and confirm me mare and
more in the conviction that the value and power of a Roman Ca-
tholic party In the Legislature is of a very high order. and magi
to be guirded against. No statesman that ever ezisted in slits
country bad a just's. Impresiduri on that subject tinny !tad King
Witfiam ; but if Abe contemied that he was not a goocilbdge.
have one who must be acknowledged still more conwptent,,l
I mean King James 11. TM Honourable Member then read
some extracts dee'aratory of the „musty of the Mo-
narch to those days to preserve invklate the Protestant Church
from an the dangers which might be apprehended from the intro-
duction of Catholics into power. King James ako sent for many
of his Mahar to esplan to them his desire to ragweeds' Church
of Ragland. Those Diatom after having been sent for to the Court
(continued the Honourable Member" all departed very well anis-
hed. What they thought of this interview appeared by the ten,
ankles they returned to King James. What answer the present'
Bishop' may return to his Majesty. If they give their opinion that
this measure is calculated to secure the safety of oar Church, we
may perhaps within a short time have ample proof of that—for allow
the to say, that I could pledge myself they will do their utmost to
uphold the Constitution. and that they will never surrender it to the
Catholic power. or &wince it to foreign Influence.
Mr. WILIOT-HORTON said that the Hon. Mein-
her who bad spoken last seemed to think that the mo-
ment Catholics were admitted into that House they and
the Protestants would come into instant collision.
Would he take the opinion 9f a Roman Catholic upon
that subject? He (Mr. Wilmot-Horton) could show the
House what that was from the authentic document then
in his possession. The House would recollect that the
ptoposition made by him (Mr. Wilmot-Horton) on the
subject of securities was, that Roman Catholics should
not be allowed to vote on any question involving the
interests of the e cabtished Church. Were a security of
that kind adopted there would be obviously no risk to
the established Church from the admission of Roman
Catholics to political power. When be fiat suggested
that species of security to she House he consulted a l
Noble relative of his in Ireland. a member of the Catho-
lic Association, and the reply he received was, that
Catholics being disqiiaNfied from voting on questions
that affectpd the established Church, so far from being
any saetifice. was an actual relief from the performance
of wh!st ssiu'j appear to them a painful and delicate
duty. He added, that if he could he would not act on
occasions when the interests r f the established Chinch
cam u der di-c4s•irn. Mr. Mount, the Secretary to
Vic English Cathul•cii, said there was no necessity for
hitch a proviso to segure the sat, guatclianshp of the
esab:ished Church; but hone urable and liberal-otioded

Plotg,tatits nrisht consider such a security necessary,
and, if so, he, as a Catholm, saw no objection to it.
How opposite to all this were the conduct and senti-
ments of done 'mho in that Muse opposed themselves
to Roman Catholic Claims? they seemed to consider
shit the air they breathed wait tainted unless the

dtgradation of their Roman Catholic biethren was
borne on its current—(Cries rf " 01.1 oh !") It was
in vain that the Catholics nide the moat solemn
declarations that they entertained no sentiments
hostile to civil or religious liberty ; their declarations
met la ith no credence. Thc.ugh, when he suggested
the security to the 11,!use already adverted to, he
thou,tht it might be.telvantageous WI the means of con.
eiliati,m, yet, n•iw tlic these asas a hope of accomplish•
igg tie gre.it object without what in present ciicum•
stances must be consideiod a drawback, he rejoiced that
his own n crittre had ri..t been adopted. 11; was ex-
t•ernrly well ;,leased that the Present rpeasure did not
touch the qtiestitm tf• ecclesiastical securities at all.—
Honourable Geode-men who in that House opposed
cor•ce.sinn to tl,e Roman C.itholics, assumed all "Aim%
that th 11. man Catholic Bishops and Close hall no
other o► j ct than to obtain p• session of the roots te. of
the Egabtislie.: Church. N it was impossible that
siren so well int, rnied as they were could not at once
see that the whole situation cf the goirl4o Catholic
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Church in lieland must be changed before such stre,ult
could en ue: C uid they aupp-se, then, any Government
wound be insane enough to invest them (the lt-iman'
Catholic Clergy), either in who:es:it in part, %%WI the vast
mass ..f I rose, ty at .psesent enjoyed by the E.tablitheil
Church. wish ut going to the Pope, a. other Govern-
ments had done, and obtaining the nominatien of the
Bishops and Merl y ? 11 was ab.urd to sopnose that any
hody of open could be so blinded as to believe that any
Glseinment would confer upon them such prodigious
advantages o ithout any equivalent,without any acknow-
ltdgnsent of a principle of reciprocity. His Hon. Friend
had said that r ne of the first objects which the Roman
Coat lies would seek would be to exonerate them-
selves from the payment of tithes. Did any influential
man amongst them suppose.tbat the abolition of tithes
would affect the profit of the afgriculturist? The fall.
value of the land would still have to be paid ; whether
to landl,rd or parson made but little substantial diffe-
rence to bun who cultivated the soil. It was as well
understood by the Roman Catholics as by any other of
his Majesty's subjects, the Church property wain trust
held by the State for the Lenetit of the existing Church,
and could no mote be justly alienated by an Act of
Parliament than could airy private property. Retirees
glebe and aoy other property there was manifestly no:
distinction, and if tithes were fairly considered they
could not but be regarded itt a similar light. As to the
total impos 14110 of any mars who culliv.atall the soil
*riving pet unlit y 4cl:6t from the abolition, it was a
fallacy that could t ever vet y extensively gtettel. There
was no mystery it. the seasoning by which men arrived
at the conclusion that i relief num t.thes•wou:d be no
relief to the pr. sent players ; it was a truth susceptible
of the moat pimple proof and elucidatiett—the lamb which are and
are not tithe free pay rents different in the exact amount of the
tithe. And further, too, it estuld not but be well lumen to the
Roman Catholics that the Act Of Union must be repealed before
such an alienation of Church property could take place. Could
any man of character gravely assert that such Roman Catholic
Members as might find their way into that House could induce the
Legislature to repeal the Act of Union ? It was not less extant-
diaary to find the opponents of Conce'siuu contemling that the
Catholics were now influenced by the same motives as at the period
of the Revolution—that could scarcely be the fact, unless there
were somewhere a King of tbg Stuast family Wog. It was said,
pot without sin* toundstinn in truth, that tee present income
had not the approbation of the people. That w to a great dm
pee owing to the pains which were taken to keep the people of
- Xugland to as to the real. state of the questions—(erns
• " oh! oh !") The Risk llou. Gentlentau theu procendad
e amidst the anumeat founded en dag assertion that Wends
Coirolics were not to ha believed on their oaths, in the course at
Whath he referred w die declaration of the ikitish Catitolica, in
age year lgaa, a part Id which he quoted. The extract concluded
14r siting that all Hansa Catholics coasitleftd themselves bound
• IMF oitdass,eil matter tO whom taken, and in the obvious tue.o.ing
of the words. The only thing t 64 ege.loded Nassau Catholize
Aran power was the sauctiou of is oath. Any sae of thew could,
with et? al truth. asp— 4.
Were nty lissom as aloe as thou dcent'st it to be,
I need not %taw waudened Item far Craililec
It was but abjuring wry coma to efface
The craws which thee ssay'st is the curse of my race."
He was as ready a entracte to admit that the Concession of Ca-
tholic Claims would not at once apply a remedy to ail the villa
uteder Wage* Indeed was labouring, but that moral remedy most
its- applied before they amid cope with the physical Me which
reseed down the tamagias of Irelandlikii an inisisbus. It had been'
said that the armpit of other countries ought nut to Maitre
England, which of aS nations ought to be the best judge of rii.
siosal liberty. The American drought highly of his own progress
Mt freedom ; but ahem retailed in the United States, and the
mauls* of the Roma Catholic was the great bliat upon the-con •
atitudooal character of Suglsod, which made us of little vale.
obroatbaod impeded sauciiiatiou at home. He bad a ready es-
pressed his eatisfeedes that the useseare of the Right Monis:v.4de
Secretary was nes clogged with sap *seep at security ; for, after
all, it was his persuades that dune who prepaid securities had no