Star.
London, England, 1828-06-07 00:00:00

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' aBeltatllbrlleseeplatoo4o We. froninfrales
•atfilgoerifdtAileallsesi: • .WhenAkie Hon. Member iaid
that Buckingham Palace was s disgrace to thorn who
arrperihtext i 6 blilWing. and sild'sOngs; n the around
bf its being in bad taste, be (gii M. W E.:silty) must
say, that in matters of taare he was not isklitrett ro give
the preference to ihste4nnodistble M-ivnber aver the
Commissioners for tlit'bellding of that Palace. Lie
same hind of censurVitsd beep 'blown upon Regent--
At vet' while it was buildiiig ; but now that that street was
finitheLt, he would defy any lion. Member to pnnt out
a moue magnificent range of buildings in all Europe
then it pfisititett and yet Oat street was' supei islierOed
by the same Cosnatissi.finers as had to do with Bock-
inghant Palace. Much had been said with• respeet to
the situation of that Palace. He only uttered the
simple truth when he sisid,iil-was Isis Majesty's anxious
solicitude- not tti 'diadem in'the slightest deg ee with
the comfbtt and convenience of the public; that had
prevented the new palace hs'ving been buil! on a more
desirable site. It had been'fiiopnsed to build .a palace
,n Kensington GardenF,tist it Was fotind impossible to
do so, without considerablrredutiog the space desisted
to the tecreation of the public, andithe soßgeition was
therefore abandoned. Again.' it had been. pr, osed to
build a prlate on the edge of the Green Park, but the
same objection, together with others,,applie .1; and ulti-
Mately the site on which Bockiesebain Palate stood
was chosen, not as being uhnbjectionabliybut as being
he best than cnnl,t he ptctnted—(Hear )
Colonel DA VIES said, that awe who erected I ach a building
the new Palace, w, re fitted only tp disgrace the Metropolis u
architect..

Mr. HUME said, that if be knew any thing of the diirosition of
his Majesty, hls Majesty was the last man who would feel offended
at what he bed said. He held the Ministers, and tlbt his Majesty,
responsible for the expense interred, and be had put it to the
Right
.Hon. Gentleman whether it was fit, in times like the present,
to expend immense sums upon Palates, when. those.sums must he
levied through the sufferings of the people. He had certainly said
that he wa,s sorry the taste of his Majesty was not of that chaste,
•Ituple, old English style, which appeared to him to be the most
worthy of admiration. The lettuce, therefore, of the Right Hon.
Secretary, was uncalled for and unnecessary. What he (Mr. H.)
had said, be had said in the most delicate manner partible.
Atter a few words from Mr. Secretary Palm, the vote was
agreed to.
The text vote proposed was, the sum of 7,0001. to defray the e.
pence of works for the accommodation of both Halal of Parliament.
In reply to an observation from Mr. Rice,
Mr. DA WSO./st stated that the original estimate.haskbeen ex-
ceeded, in totlfeipftnei: of the .foundaiiins of the old buildings
basing been found to be much worse than had been anticipated;
The vote was not for any buildings not already known to thellouse.
The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. DAWSON moved that 2,5001. be granted in aid of the ex-
pense of buildiug Churches in the West Indies.
Mr. HUME objected to the vote. They were always giving to
the Church, and never got any thing from it.
Mr. W. SMITH approved of Bishops being appointed to the
West Indies. It was an arrangement calculated to give that one
to society which it was so desirable it should receive..

The vote was then agreed to. •
On its being moved that £19,413 20s. be granted to defrpy the
expense of the CdinmisiiOners for the Holyhead Road and 'Hotath
Harbour, • • ' ••

Mr. A. DAWSON objected to the vont owlikb bad been pre-
viously agreed.to ;. and contended 'that whoa .1111.411. h Member
asked fora giant in favour of Ireland, he was told that there was
do money.
Mr. W. DAWSON said he could biltdiy yuppose the Hon.
Member had attended to the proccedinireVen'of that night, for if
he had, he would have !mind that the, granta'in favour .of Iretand
aniotinted to no less than 55,0001.—(Heart and a laugh.)
Mr. HUME complained of a clutge of 1,5851. fur fees Acts
of Parlitml.nt. He ciettPiainod also of the rate rgch v/hich
amounted to upwards of I,oool.4ince 1826.
Mr. V. FITXGERA LD explained that the law charges:are In.
curred under the direction of the Commissioners and not of Govern-
ment. With respect to the paymem of Parliaieent.‘rt fees, the
mode was a circuitous one, but tbc country kilt tibtbing by it.
Alta a few remarks from Sir H. Palmier., MT.' SLANZTy and
the Committals of the &Cameras. the vote was agreed to.
To complete the Works of Denature Harbour fur the year 1828,
4,7521.
Mr. DAWSON moved that the sum of 15,0001. be granted for
defraying Abe expense of the Establishment •of the rententiary
House at Milbank.

Mr. HUME wsilied to ask the Right Honourable Secretary for
the Home Department whether there was any intention of giving
up that estabhilunert ? He thought it high time that sothe,thiug
decisive should be done.

Mr. Secretary PEEL said It was impossible to deny that the
whole expense upon the Penitentiary bad been very great; and
certainly if that expense was to becommenced de Novo, the Mane
might hesitate to enter upon it ; but the ititnpletett
and be W. not prepared to say that it hid so far failed in its dbiket
as to tender it desirable to abandon it. He bad heard' it sAltpered
that some propnsitiou had been ntadefor conierting• it into a public
prison. Nu offer had been made to him upon the naiject ; and
even If one were made he should very much doubt the, propriety
of agreeing to it, at all events, if the public were not to be fully
remunerated_( Hear).
Mr. MABERLY hoped that in future some considerable remit.-
dos would be made in the expenses tor the establiihment: lle
should be lees discontented if it was tinder the personal inspection
of the Right lion. Secretary. • s
Sir J. WHOTTESLEY said that the question as to whether
the Penitentiary should be abandoned or not, was of too much inn=
portance to be discussed incidentally. He therefore recommended
those who thought reduction of the grant ought to be effected, to
apply themselves to that point. He vas of opinion that the gran
might be reduced, and therefore he hoped some Hon. ilembee
would take the sense of the House upon it.
The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. DAWSON Moved. that 16,1821. be granted to the Society
for the Propagation of the Gospel In Foreign Parts. It was for
the first payment of the Missionaries of the Church of England.
Mr. HUME strongly objected to the vote. He contended that
as the great majority of the inhabitants of the Canada. were ,
man Catholics, Church of Englaild Missionaries were worse than
useless, and concluded by moving as an Asnendineiet, that the sum
of 8,0001. should be inserted instead of 16.18=f.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in Nova
Scotia there was a clear majority who belonged to the Church of
England.

Sir R. INGLIS supported the grant.
Sir T. ACLAND said that if the Honourable Member for Aber-
deen succeeded in his Amendment, all the hli,sionaries of the
Church of England in Canada would be curtailed of one halt of
their income for the present year. To such a measure he was de-
cidedly opposed.
After a few remarks front Mr. Mawr,
LABOUCHERE was convinced that it was doing an in-
jury to the Church of England to perseVere in sending out Church.
of England Missionaries to Lower Canada.
Mr. HOBHOUSE wished to know from the Right Honourable,
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether• if a divition *ere not'
then pressed he would give any pledge that there should be a re-
diction of the giant in mitre ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he could
not give the assurance required.
Mr. S. WORTLEY considered-the suns proposed for the Clergy
of Ireland of large amount; and observed, that he could not con-
sent to vote the money, unless- he was convinced that it would'he
applied to proper objects.
air. HUME wished the vote postponed for a fortnight, in order
to give the Committee of Finance the power of entertaining the
subject. The Honourable Member accordingly moved to report

plogress.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the delay
proposed by the Hon. Member would be inconvenient.
The Committee then divided—
For reporting progress
Against it .

6 • • • 28
• • • • • • 107
Majority . . • • ---79
The original amendment proposed by Mr. Hums was then put
and negatived.—The Estimate was agreed to.
On the question that £572,499 be granted to defray the strpenss
of the Commissariat Depactment,
Mr. HUhIE said, there was an unnecessary number of •Officers
employed is the Commissariat. He wished to know how 47 acerb
were required fur that service at an expense to the country orspor.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the public.
accounts required that number of Commissariat Officers.
.Mr. DAWSON' said, the number of those Officers had bee%
reduced as low as possible. The Officers of the Commissariat were
the best checks-the country could have upon public accounts. Th 4
Ledmate was then voted. •
Thelma of selllo,ooowas voted for the Estraordisny Rapetatoi
of the Army.
The CHAIRMAN of the cenobites, then opened min,
and obtained leave to sit again on Monday.

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