Star.
London, England, 1811-04-02 00:00:00

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I4a4MMEN24IRr. iißoasimairas,
- . .ftcousE OF LORDS. „
Their Leal‘hlps met at about a quarter past four, when the
Duke of Gal. IFTO ri being introduced; took ihi• oaths and by Wit
accordingly. aria which their Lordships a boomed during plea- 1
sure. - • • •
• ARRESTS 808 DEBT. '' •
The House being resumed, and the Lord Chancellor 'eeteated
on the Woolsack, •
Lend
ELLENBOROVOI-t presented two Petitleins in-behalf,
of nits:de-4W VodieSeif respectable tradesmen inNVist :Muster, and
other parts of the metropolli, igainst that-chute in the Bill the, I
pending.beforetheir•Lerdsisips, of Debtor and Creditor, which
wept es valpentkherstsilt • fig !sebT.ll persons were lkshle to arrest,
from 10 to £ip. Ordered to ire on the Table. .
DISTIpLERI ES.
Lord HARDWICKE moved for certain Papers relative to the
equalization or rAe Duties on Coro and Sugar in DiStillerles.
LoygoeN's DIVORCE.
!...O;tIEiLSKINE moved, that the Order for going into the
quesilon of teivetten's Divorce ibll, winch stood ror to-nsurroo,
be discharged. *con:arid accordingly.
• 111 E REVERSION SILL! • • •''
ILarl GROSVENOR (finding that It was the understanding. Of
several Noble Lords that this Bill Wa. not to come Oil {ll Friday;,
moved the discharge of the Order of the Day, fur the purpose Qt.
its being read a second time on Friday next. Order Orthe Is
se far discharged, and their I.urdships ordered to be ifilikisthia '
for 'Friday. •
WARSIIALSEA STARFATTON:'• i) Ir • ”:"
The Eat' of AVLP.SFORD awing the sweirlog.-bwlldte.
messes Ordered tp.attesmi this House, reseatitigthe de.a.Ma of WA,
Thema& Culver, Men died for wait in the prison, of pie M -
ihajpea. Witnesses wefe ikeordfriftly4sroin, add-thip Order
to attend the tommittee'impointed to firqukt ' '
*ant gtrquas*lows oirPiclaY neat.: -.Tit •
10,4 SlitiletOptfeeatled tlscattentioi of illeVrouse g i
thin which hilted made towards the Cloizattlff titie lait'Se2on' foe
an account to its •liid pure : their- ixthir at
Licences granted fey a term therein apeabeitry'set Preachensinfti
'anti% from the Establisbell Church. - %eisittor these documents
he understood had been supplied, and ittorenkfAht eome ofeotirie
bu• in the mean time he thought fit to apprise their VoTtiffhlp
that it was his intention, ac es Wistarit-period,%o melte, VNefillliti
'notion on that sulject, and particularly to inquire into the Maine
which had taken place of the'btatute of the la of William acid
Idary.
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COMMERCIAL t REDLY. • : '
The Order of the Day for the third reading of the
Commercial Credit Bill being read, , ;' • • r--•
• Lord LAUDERDALE moved, that for this povl
pose of affording relief on inheritable security; the
words in that clause, between 44 further 'emitted" and
66 whatsoever," Ice. be -left out. • • .
Lord BATI-lURST opposed the motion, Wch,
pn the question being put from the Woolsack, was
negatived. •
• Lord- LAUDERDALE then proposed- addles-
amendment, empowering the two Chartered Bans of
Scotland tp.borrow money on the security of Exifse:.
quer
LordßATHlJßSTopposedtheamendin-hst,'lthiCh
was likewise lost without a division.. .
Lord LAUDERDALE then proposed a ekit»e to
restrict the tank" tromissiiivOltore than aEt itifontst.
of Exchequer ills, on penalty of forfeiting tl 0.•"-
, the value of the excess, with'l.sth to the irtforinet.
Lords BATHU RST and ROSS opposed`the cliiuse
as
,unwarranted,.unfounded,and useess. ' '
Lord KIK, supported it, and maintained against
the statement of the N,•ble Earl ( Lord. Ross), to ie-
ierence to the Bank of Irelar.d, that, liter the restric-
tions imposed on that Bank, the istults hid increased'
'threefold.-
•-• Lord,ROSS shortly replied, immediately after which
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the questionw,as.put iron the No`liacit,
.when, the
:Bill was read a third time, (atbentiments rejected),
and pain&
•• ' Their Lordshiptildjoorneditt half-Fait sermo'clock:
till to-will* cthii day.), •
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HOUSE OF:COMMONS. • • •
Lord PAL gr.i4Tote, Member for the. Universitrot-CMW
bridge, took the oaths and his seat. •
Mr. Dynast presented a Petition from eertim Inetillets in
the County of Edinburgh, in hyper of the distillation tram Kra*.
....Laid en the table.
Upon the motion of Ur. Harter Maartv, the Printers!' Re.;
gulation Bill was read a second time, and entered to,be
ted on Friday next. -
Upon the motion of Mr. FosTitz, the Report of the Commit.'
tee upon Draining Bogs in irilasid was ordered' to lie laMleferri
the Mouse.
• • . FORRIPI4 11.1INISTERS' SALARIES. •
Upon Shisosotion of Mr. Lk: ACU, this Bill was committed,tlsr
received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third tine ens,
=4 ow-
wA...FIELD RAILWAY BILL.
Sir W. MttNit pressuited a Petition against the Witefleld
Railway BM, which was hid on the table.
Mr. laft taxer °act moved the second reading of this hill,and.
also made a few observations in support df it„liereceinmeiied
that it should be sent to a Committee up stairs.
Mr. Mitts objected to the princtvie of the' BBL • •
IMIr.STANNOPt thought it ought to be giontert tege thrlV
Committee. • - • rem;:r
' Mr. CD ItWiN moved as art anientiment.--That this IslikOetwid,
a second time this day six months.
• Mr. WkiARTON said he should oppose thi Bill, as be tftdotor
it was merely calculated to promote indletdeal advaniqie,
Mt. WILSERTORcz replied, and argued that its tit far male
advantage. r.
' A division took place, when the number!, wets s. it the
Amendment, 112; For it, 4S.—Majority ip falser
the !ifl;
49—We understand, that during onriiteluskri it Yrlthisen read
a secondtinie:
• RrATISIt TOWN ROAR-RILL. •
Mr. Piero Moses Moved the secon t readitig''ortills‘bill:—
He arguedohat by this new rohd t e pu. lk would isM•acturreinw
dated by the saving of two miles. • • •
. The ATTOLN CT GpiRRAL ()pried the 8111.
Sir OSWALD Monter supported it.
Lord Pa twee yr° N Spoke against the measure, as entrench/. •
leg upon lands belonging to charitable imtitutisins, and partial.
tarty to St. John's College. He moved as an Ateeirdntent....llsat
this Bill be read this day kix months.
Mr. WiLSON said a few words in support of rite Bijj.
After which the House divided.--In iiivour of the 13111, ES
Against
I:, t s-. Majority, 12. •
' Upon our return to the Gallery, we touni the House In a
• Committee upon the Highway Road Bits and +mon re/minim,
the Report was orJered to be taken Into tort er consederation
this day three wicks.
or ST I I.LeRIES. .
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Mr. CURWEN moved, .
" Tina there be laid before the House a C.! y of the Menlo.
of the rah March, from the London Distitters to the- Lads
nl itssiatii,ointes'of the Tr4sury."--Ordered.
• 'lir also Moved,-
Fora C9ll of any.. Meamrial or eFre'entso9o
the
Distillers of Scutiand.".7ordered.
Mr. CURIVEN stated, that he wished to move for
• Copies of: all Communications upon the subject at.
Distillation 'from Snyar between the 'Lords Cemmiss
signer, and the Boards of Excise in - England and
Scotland ; but 'added, that as understood this
• Would he opposed; :hi should merely give notice of
• 'his intention to make such a mcrtionto-poorrowi And
therefore suggested, that on account of the lateness
,1 ate how, the second-reading of the Distillation
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lei% wee. ~sod toe to-day, should be postpaid- The Overage to the army low ar.,.... , .
re Wednesday, in °the that it might be the were ernitiag. 'They reeneitellfpoeires. astrwi,lenPt
.Fairly 'discussed. • u well for.theilee 1 'The pee** ildy templet%
" • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUaIh mit to enter the militia first, anot‘ alter_ womainiag
eepressed his wish totting that Bill to a seteend reed- there fht a few limbs they enlisted intb * Bli-for
hie at as early and convenient a day es poreible,and thee:like of the double twenty.. He vollegled that the
. said he had no objection to postpone it till to-nacermes ballot was to be avoided, if possible. „If sothlog else
It was accordingly so fixed, that the second.ollisle could be done, they must indeed have thieved. But
ing of this Bill should take place to-morrow. o '• indeed they never did get the men.- A militia.Coloo
ii.U.LION. -- , '-r nee bad:said, that out of 900 men, he on got three
In answer to an observatein from Mr. ten% that- principals. But the misfortune was, thatl while ;he
it would be desirable that the motion of an Honour- expectation of ballot was held out, men could hardly
able and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Horner) up= be got by recruiting—the expectation of high bountiet
' ehis subject should be brought forward as soon as for substitutes, induced those . who were willing. to '
possible, enter the army to keep hack till they could do so'
Mr. ABERCROhIBY shied, that in the absence upon the moat profitable terms for themselves. ~....
' -of his friend last week, he had postponed his motion Colonel ELLISON hoped, it was not intended tp:
to Friday next. The nature of that motion would render this a permanent measureolie had the stron
not be for a Bill upon the subject, but that the Re- (objections to the ballot and fines, which were a great
port of the Bullion Committee be referred to a Com- local oppression, throwing that burden on a few which
mittee of the whole Home. When he postponed this ought to be borne by all. The men, however, must
motion hut week, lie did it in consequence of a con!- :be had, and he was willing ,to allow this bill to pass, I
- munication from that Honourable and Learned Gen- in. the expectation that there would be,no'occasion to '
"`demon (Mr. Homer), that it would be utterly im- have recourse to the ballot, e.
' possible for him, consistent with professional avoca- Mr.-GILES avid Colonel ELLlSOlTexpinined.
t tone, AD bring it forward earlier. On Friday next, • Lord CASTLEREAGH, adverting toovhat had
'that same Gentleman would be in a situation to state been stated by a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Eh
more 'fully in what manner he meant to bring ehe Dint) against the present Bill, was willing to alloW
Matter tinder futiere consideration. . - • e_er : 'that if it were possible to raise 24,000 men annually
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' by ordinary recruiting, it would .be more advisable
.wisbed to know Whether the proceeding 'of Freest tbao to have recourse to a compound system. The
mould be merely a notice, or a motion ?, '
..e. A.,e; *taunt of. Mr. Windham, however. though favour-.,
Mr. ABERCROMBY anaweetdediat it. vieets4X &I; by peculiar circumstance* cells* produced ales*.
emlY a notice.. .. -e. ..„. - e . ,•I -; fleet year, of its operation 1.7 pen. ,
' MteROSE stated his supposition. duo in that cow loto WHITBREAD . , '19,4)0Ci. ,
thee would be no motion till after the holidays. ...: s .-.l.eard CAST IeERENG 'repeated; it had oily,
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4 I The SPEA.WER observed, tiler a it were theiter treseliwed 17 000.. *I the .facts .relative. to this sub=
tention of the House to discuss a matter in a P.o* s.:' tevrere submitted; ;Doha-louse by Mr. Windham
:mitecee the usual manner was to move, that. U 1101) nciliiineelf in 1807. It was to be remarked that at
:some future day they should go into a Committer et that period. there were no less than 54 second bate;
that.perpose. . ~.,. . -.'"' lions ire Me country so reduced, that it was doubted
Mr: ABERCROMBY added, that the mu:die:dile whether they coald possibly be filled up ; and an or
Would be the one to be pursued upon this oceiiielo . der ikae. issued, that if each battalion did not raise
'f - ' sitetote ZS LITIMENT BILL.. . i ~ ~ 4bo moa,.. in all about 20,000 men, the battalions
Mr./LUSHINGTON brought up the Report ofthe 'seoteed be disbanded, and, the officers would forfeit
Militia. Enlistment Bill.- -their. rank; The recruiting parties were in consequence
Mr. Secretary RYDER stated it to be his intention increased from 000 to 700. He dissected the number
to enable the Militia Regiments to raise supeinumeo :of men raised that year, and found that na fewer
miles according to the Act of Elizatbeth, to prevent were,reised in one half year than 8000 men by the*"
their falling at nay time below the proper number. 2d battalions. 'Whatever infinence the inducements
' Mr. ELLIOT was compelled by a sense of duty to 'held out by Mr. Windham might have on the philcimo,
object to this Bill, though he could not now hope to phic mind, he was convinced that they would not have'
say any thing new upon it When ha recollected much on the aggregate of the population, and be
who had'on former occasions beers - associated with was therefore unwilling to forego the permanency of
him in-opposition to theSe expedients, (the hoe Mr. service for any theoretical probabilities. To that sys-
Windham), it might well be supposed that the eplo.tem, however, he allowed hi full iiftitence, except in
Ject could present him with, no cheating reflections. changing it so far as to allow etoption to limited or
might be said, that he was hostile to the Militia itulimited service ; and since that time the recruiting
Establishment altogether ; and that his arguments has fallen to about nearly its ordinary numbers. It
againstit ought to be taken with some grains of allow- had been said, why not raise men at once by ballot far'
since. He never had been an enemy to the establish- the line ? but to this it may be answered, that the'
meet, provided it were kept to its original numbers. militia gives habits .which prepare men for entering'
He then proceeded to state the grounds of his objection into the line, and that it is the natural colour of the'
to this measere ; to the increase of the numbers of the mind of man to prefer in the first instance the home
Militia, and to the Local Military Establishments service. He thought it extremely probable that the
which for some time past had formed so great an ob. Militia superuumeraries, with the ordinary means of
stacle to the reeuler recruiting for the army. His -supply, might supersede the necessity of a ballot,; 'and'
Right Hon. Friend (the late Mr. Windham), had he.thought it therefore peeper that something of this'
taken a comprehensive view of the whole subject, and should appear on the face of the Bill, to put an end
had,fonned an excellept plan for the recruiting of the (to all speculation. . . e
army. That unfortunately had been ovetthrown before Mr. WHITBREAD thought tie Nbble tOrit.44ls
its most-efficacious:engines had even began to operate: spoke last had dealt very unfairly by that Vat:ehist:
It Would be remembered that the short term dentist, now no more, Mr. Windham, veryibefalfty I'o4 itc
'meat( the return of the eeldiers, and the advantage my, and very unfairly by the emitter,' ''Titer System bf'
*which would be universally observed to result from recruiting for the army, during the last War and the
:the occupation, had been considered as the most power- present war, down to the period when Mr. Windham's,
Tut means of success. Still its success, so far as it had plan was proposed, was a system of force and-violence.'
gone, had exceeded his expectations and those of the That plan was said to be theoretical, and in practice'
great character who.had formed the plan. It produce inefficient. Luckily, however, for the country it was.
,silty of ° ed for the first quarter at the rate of 10,000 men a-year carried into execution—and its succeas exceeded the
--hor the 2d, at the rate of 13,000 'men a-year—for 'most sanguine expectations of -Mr. 'Windham. The
the 3d, at the rate of 21,000 men a-year—and for the fact cannot be contradicted, that in that' particular
4th quarter, at the rate of 24,000 men a-year. All year alluded to, the recruiting for the army exceeded
Ibis, by the ordinary recruiting at a reduced bounty., :not only what has either happened before or sincelliut
:Bet the efficacy of such a measure must depend oft, -Was equal to the ordinary waste of the army in time ef•
:the opinion of its permanency ; and since the unfortu- ~o.ia , namely, to 19,000, while the whole number'
we interference with it, the regular recruiting hardhardly`eia.Proposed to be raised was 22,000. The Noble
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peodaced a sufficient number of men to cover the waste ,Lord was for- reducing the number raised on Mr.
.of the army. The expence of Mr. Windhant's plan 'Windham's plan to. 17,000; but he contended that it
b had been urged as an objection—but in the end, the 'was proved by Mr. Winshiam that the number -was.
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• present method would be far more expensive, consii :19,000 and a fraction. The Noble Lord next whiled
• .dering_the height to which the competition and corn- to detract from its merit;, by imputing this incite*.
Bette plicated mode of recruiting must rake the bouritf. If tits' a. second operation ; the number of second batta
Mr. Windharu'i plan had been persevered it, they'Hoax InOwhich the rank of the officers depended on
baud- would now have-no occasion to resort to such a mea. their success in recruiting, and the number of recruit-
"'" sure as this. It could not but disgust the Kilitia 017 ihgpoeries. It had only prielticed, said the Noble
i e• ficers, who were converted into instruments • for re- lenrdeselthbut these additional incentives, 8000 in six
le law cruitipg the regular 2:my. 'l'6 he sure Lis' was a
.mimiths. But the Noble Lord ought to have observ-
• 141111;:' case o'f emergency, and if the Measure had been only ed. that the measure was, as was predicted, progressive
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iinhl-o* ;temporary, he would perhaps have allowed it to pees initiooperation ; and that the second quarter yield-
ee4" he without any thing further than a protest against the ect an increase over the first : the third over the
odic, /7 general principle—but it was held out as a perma- seceilid ; and the fourth- twee the third. *The addi-
p fat Mame nent measure, and lie must oppose it. The Militia clonal number of recruiting parties increased only
~•-•.-;' .-- • Officer's ought to pause before they allowed their re, the number of competitory; bur • did not increase
?rottee . .
, , eiogee giments tie be turned into recruiting legions for thg the ibundence of the market of recruits. That
liikifsenrtad army—and every Member ought to pause before he plait, however, was knocked on the head at once!
'ooee i'... placed in the hands of Ministers a power ofeterperee4 be the Noble Lord, who had deprived the court.:
1 ede-ole.: . balloting. The syetem .could never be carrie4.eip thief ii,fot eve. 'The were now ill the pressen
tet7e wttlithe ballot—and thus they would be continotilhy! distressed 'State .61 selte:,ManUfacturte of the Z-ei-•
aw-
~,,, 2, tski ringiug the changes on bounty and ballot. With that; try, end when there. was such a multitiole of med-in
.1., er: .e. , few observations, which his sense of duty compelled' theemerket, obliged to make the present measure.
• him to make, he would leave the matter to the floust.' perrtual i a measure which let fall on the heads, of a
re•trench, • Colonel DUCKETT would have been very aeerie few that. which ought to be spread over the Whole.
if pirtfet,- • this .
't-+-f to mealure if liehad understood it to be a permit- [ count ,The Noble Lord will not allow that men
t..., i t„,.. neat one. But he hoped it was not intended to make ',are inclined to go at once into the army. He wishet
-. it perpetual. Necessity justified it at present—[fieione jump into the Militia, and a second jump into
ii; Os-- same necessity which at times might justify the Ws- i th, .gegular Army. ' The, reaioning of the Noble
~ to a pension of t
wos Habeas occasionct He expected Lord WAS here more childish than .he ceuld have ex-
untiag. that there ld be no however, to have.pected. Why were men-.llMirilling to jump at once
:rams recourse to the ballot. After the late volneteering, into the
.Regular Army ?: &Cause they well knew,
• • the recruiting for the Militia had been very successful., that by.their . double jump they would get a double
He would support the bill, therefore, as a temporary honney. This, hbvsever, came home to the argument
roeseure. If 4 scheme of the same kind were to be of. Mr. Windham, whirls, by leading men from step
ernes
eed. 4ections to it unless very different from the preterit. i would have effectually. kept. up the nurelsors of the I
• Mr. GILLS referred the Hon.-Gentleman who !army. without such a grievous burden to therconntry.
the spoke lailtO the bill itself, to shew that it was ineen- -He then adverted to what had been. takflit Colonel
: . did for a perm:meet measure. The: bill recited. that-1E1544m, who, he ritiele..lo4 deehioed chief. keY4uld ,
'ter ; " whereas it was expedient to providea penuenene , epee for the Bill, wh4e ke hoped it woeild het be tor.
d' supply foe the army,- Bcc."—ind this quality of pcielned.into, effect. The 'best way surely to previrti its,
o etenenci was in. fact the great objective; to the mea-t having strect would be to.vote4ainst it._ With ee-
-1 sure. The Militia Officer; were tfi'lre conieitecilimai s'pect. to thi* Bidet,' lie.s..id it. ii. .troilO'Vons butden'
drill serjearies, to provide 10,000 men annually:tot )on the, eiluntry.' EO ditil4xl ortevetee • Wilbert Who
' the army. Wi(bregard to the priVate men, it must by I hid any eeperiencitio slacittliiite..lo:4l.7 if he had
remembered that .140,0ppin.Englat4 were lonVed not met with Osseatherlies lostatlioli:-Of Misery: Ate'
ep by way of Local Militia or volunteers. These might vnithg that heats, :iisiwroiniat f jr'
bo enlisted—but then their places most be sapplied possible to bristifir-Weilvedh *gel of id-

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/CSitatiOn to 8.. 441$ idits operation as
any conscript** 'silted.. . - • -
= the world. If '
there is a nereiedtVe. sr harldbilsideqtially on all.
Colonel ELEJbON said, fit exPlatintion, that he
should vote in favour of the present Bill therely as as
experiment.
Mr. WIBERFORCE said, the reseut measure
shrewd, its kbe strongest 'peatible Manner, the danger
Of linving at any time recourse to exoraordinai y me-
thos, as in a short time they came-to make part of a,
genital s; stem. Ministers had (only to say so many
men were wanted for the regular army, and the rnez..
sure *pad be recurred to of course.. By such a'
Measure all the improvements in the' army, which .
Mr. Windham's plan was calculited tit produce.. ,
would never more be thought of. 'The first intiu-
dtiction of draughting from the Militia was en the
occasion of the expedition to the Heiden' and it was
then thought tit to accede to it from' the extraordi-
.
vary circumstances of the time. Who could theta
have supposed that It woulditecorne' a general sys.
tern All the objections which were then urged, of
(manning the Militia Officers into Recruiting Offi.
Ctrs for the army, and of the Outset-dictation:it would
occasion M the Militia, ate cow gdt o'er. 'They are
new. never thought of. Nobody would eier think
now of urging the necessities of the country in layout
of the measure. ilis'great objection to this measure, '
was,, thatitput an end to all the benefit naturally to
bS tf Ric tell:Ohm the plan of Mr. Windham, who had
Facll..tart of infusing his own, spirit in whatever he •
stndenitook: The presidst system was tt?stressing, and
. 4iiigjn the highest degree on the loasietirdets. ' '
r,!lee'retii7:RYDEß. contended' thipit Was ni-
citsiej, in. The pretent situation of the t suntrr, that
the *hay should be t4t 'As tit-hi-greatest and mak
eticritit force. lie' wido tfitiefortethat Gentlemen
:
wfiu opposed the pent Vill'ifeirld ' propose sums
substitute tor it which t;Oe equally effectual.—, •
At the same time he enteitabied no doubt, from past
tape-ciente, that there wotticrbe -no necessity for re-
sortiag to the hlllot withicilte time mentioned by the
Honourable Gentleman. '-li might be asked then,
w 4 not agree to the chink proposed to he iutroiluted •
by the Honourable Otittlitrati (Mr. &tams) r He
'woad tell them why: He was afraid the introduc-
tion of such a clause would induce-pc-Stone disposed
ha enlist to suppose that the ballot would necessarily
take. plate at the end of two jeers,'lthil would prevent
them from entering till then, when theT might expect
greater advantages to arise to them, As to the idea
of discipline being destroyed by this measure, this was
rtmtly exaggerated, and officers of the first eminence
had declared, that any regiment into which one-
sevesith of raw recruits hadeen introduced, could be
iu'i- state.to Meet the enemy within three weeks, As
to the plan of enlisting for limited service having been.
abOlished,-the fact was iVit edia'Vut an option was al.
loSeed of enlisticre.b for limited' firunlimited service,
and not °tie-Cenral of thaw enlisted chose to avail
thidtselves. of the former, the u' the difference in
bounty was aril; prig guirista, being 'five guineas for
hinited and six guineas t'ot unliMited service.
Colonel BASTARD contended, that these con-
stant leaps Wtiiat the Mtfltia were made to tate, were
calcolated to nrodtiee, aoif ini:fict hid pi-naked insu•
bolioation in the Militia: It tvould be a great deal
bitter to nut anisid to. this tpecies'of force at once.
gplonel,7llo2l-nritistaitted, that irate Militia Of-
fieli themselves 04E, there Was not a sinle regi•
nit itiiAthieh the full 'ctisiiPlimetit aright be raised
hi' teat 7il4Visi)i. • --'••••-7 • • •
The Aiberidinentevier* then read mit avoid to.'
geieral new Muses were brOught up by Mr. Ryder,
Which were also agreed to'; and after some conversa-
tion betwred Mr.•GILBS. Mr. BAiiiitiGTON,. Mr. G.
VANSITTA:RT, and Mr; Secretarykinea, the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. At which
time Mr. BANies stated, that• he should propose the
clause to which he had already called the attention of
the House.
FREE LABOURERS It:' imst-irtet-nrbiFs.
. Mr. BARHAM 1 svi hilt moduli Melee toothe Introducties
el firiejahlia. arers into the West lades Lianas, for Thursday next.
statlea.Yi onnstastec, &D. ESTIMATE A, AND BATTLE °,
"•••-• '• * • . *-* • • BAIRDSA. -
-Ilse HOOliehavinegone into a Commktee ofSupply,
Mr. ASHLEY COOPER proceeded to call the
attention of the Committeeto the ordnance Estimates
for the present year. . The Ordinaries were consider-
ably greater than they, were last year, arising priori-
pally from the transfer to this .head of service of w-
'Veal articles from the extraordinaries .; panic:lll.4
the artillery drivers, Waggon Train, atc. He had
endeavoured as much as possible to follow a similar
plan to that adopted in thtrAnny Estimates, as being
the/ Most likely- 'to mslie-hit statement incePieible to
gentlemen who had- been ;accustomed td. attend to die
Arrhy Estimates., As the- Estimates, however, were
solratesposedi it would notihe frecessa,ry for him to
Mho= them with she' estimates of lass year. He
I,l6tikremly, -say, in general; that they were £e.500,0c0
mete than those of last yeas'. - This arose zarticulady
Itont the *nick of ',prize money, antontr.ing to
1670,-000. Foreign service C200,000--and an ad-
dßicni bf thirteen thousand rows' amoustitig• to
fre,ooo.• There was only one newaificle in the X.
' irdhlarieslthicli it would be-netessaty fur him to
iteisteostei teing for magazines' 850,000. ' There were
p nt earinbs floating magazines employed in the
; eeping of powder., but they were found' neither to
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so safe nor useful as magazines on shore. The floe-
ling, mtfazines besides being dangerous, were sate is
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*del; the powder damp after it had been for any cots-
siderhtle time en•board. In providing sufficiedt mg-
,gaiitset 'for this. purpose on shore, an additional ex-
ence must in the mean time be incurred, but, in Ott
lqng runs" if to be' pettranently fertiowed; it would
produce a -teeing. lie had seen a calculation of tine
Is:pence of one of the floating magatioets an:mm.46g
k0'49,000 andk,,,hieWcontained 9500 barrels. A pet.
anent magaifite on shore which would' contain
, OP bands, it was calculated would cost 115,000.
. expense of floating magazines capable of con-
' tittnitag the same quantity Of powder, would emoting
tei`iiltit,ooo, so that it must be obvious, that, besides
the disadvantages attending magazines afloat,
thole
oil.shore- *mid be' infinitely loss . expensive. He
should not derail any .ot the other articles in these
, ~
.clrtil2ltl'l, kit sbould'be happy to give any elision.
' iiiin *title* iia'any-of theM, which Gentlemen might
fte4se to-atetire. He concluded by moving, that the
sum of tc5„441,211 1 ls..litld. be granted to his Ma.
''Zyl- to defray the expense of Ordnance for his
4es Lind Forces for the present year.
' RD said, that he was anxious to Lea

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