Star.
London, England, 1820-03-27 00:00:00

the 16. b of August. His house is about 410 yards from the

place of meeting. Has a wife and family. His house is in
,Lloyd-street. Saw some of the processions coming in ;•they
"csmein a peaceable manner, Ile felt no alarm; neither did he
hear his neighbours express any. Has considerable property in
Lloyd-street. There was nothing in the appearance of the pro-
ceedings different from those he had seen in the processions of
Benefit Societies. Some few had sticks. There were a good
zialiy young women amongst them. Saw no shops shut up till
the evening. Was at the Meeting about half-past twelve. He
saw no one armed with long staves. Where he stood was the
opposite angle to Air. Buxton's house. Saw the cavalry arrive
and form in front of the house. Saw them approach the bus-
tins. No resistance was made. There were neither stones nor
b:ickbats thrown at them; if there had he should certainly have
seen them.

Cross-examined by Serjeant Cross.—l stood near the Quakers'
'Meeting house, but farther down. I know Johnson ; never
knew him until about threts' days before the 16th of August. Did
rot know any of the others. I had seen Mr. Hunt before at a
Meeting at Manchester. I took no part in the proceedings.—
The Meeting i was at was the one held in January. I heard no
expression of alarm before the 16th of August. I had hoard of
additiou.l Constables having been sworn in, and of a Military
force brought into the nethbourhood. I had also heard that
there was to be a meeting of the Justices of the two Ceanties, and
i comidered them precautionary measures. lam sure I heard
no expressions of alarm amongst my neighb 'ars, on account of
the. people assembling. I knew a Meeting was'to have been
holden on the 9th of Aegust. I did not know however, that it
was for the purpose of electing ?Members of Parliament, like
those of Birmingham. I have seen this notice before. (A pla-
card was put into his hands, signed " 11. Hunt," for Calling
Meeting).
. Re-examined by Mr. Hunt.—T can't swear that I have seen
a correct copy of this before the Meeting.
Robert Grundy called.--{The witness refused to give his evi-
dence, until he bad had his expenses ; but Mr. Justice BM LZY
said, he never knew of a Judge, in similar circumstances, or-
dming his expenses to It witness. Mr. Hunt said, so far as he
was concerned, he was quite willing to pay him his expenses].
The exatninadon then went on.
I am In the' woollen trade, and live at Salford. I was at
7-7.anchester on the 16th of August. I did not see many of the
p -eccssions coming in. It was about half-past eleven that I
wct,t to the field. I acted as a Special Constable. I remained
that capacity in the field until about half-past one o'clock. 1
have not given in my depositions. I staid in the field until you
o.tne, and some time afterwards. rremained until the cavalry
made their appearaucz. The several processions were coming
riz. in tin; meantime. I cannot say that I was in the line of
Canstables, but I was very near them. Where I stood might
he from 15 to CO yards from the hustings. I went to Buxton's
house after the cat: 7ry appeared. The Meeting was tbeu par-
tially dispersed. The parties came up in an orderly manner,
there seemed to be four or five abreast ; they had colours and
111/./liC. No particular imprLssion was on lily mind at the mo-
r...ca; they were as peaceable as it was possible for such bodies
to he. I did not observe any staves, but I believe some had
sticks; they were walking-sticks, such as people generally have
'shen they come from the country. I did not see any of them
o any insult or violence to the respectable people there.—
Vfb.en I stood within twenty yards of the hustings, the people
r.,..ssed very close against me; I did nut th?n shew my staff,
and I thiak th-y may rot have knewn that I was a Special
Sor.,.e-of the Constables did not exhibit their staves.
I :..1W the cavalry arrive.
By the Couar.—Was any epposition Made to them ?—I did

W.L• any.
Anything t,) intimidate them?—Nothing that I sw.
l'•:or any groans or bisse-l—l beard Ctree cheers, and, I be-
-1::ve, the soldiers returned them. I did not hear hoouogs, or
kissings, or groa: inys.
Did you s.e aLy _tones earown at them, or up in the air
did nor, my
had you r.rr eye on then. as they leer:. advancing?—Yo. I
receded a little • I wish,tl to get out of the Meeting. This was
to the right of the cavalry.
. By Mr. Hunt.—liad you any fears for your own safety or the
t•wn, front what you saw?—Not any until I uttw the cavalry
c upon the ground. I understood it was not the intention
the Magistrates to interfere with the Meeting, and therefore
.1 was cosy on the sehje•ct. Upon this understanding I felt no
alarm from the conduct of the people.
Did you see the Yeomanry ?r--I saw them come up, and the
people about me tried to get away. There was no resistance
cd-ered. I then, for the :irst time, began to be alarmed for
my perso:i.
Cross-examined by Mr. Scanterv.—l was a Special Con-
stable fee two years ;,:.fare. I belivie they are generally per-
sons of property. lam fur &lend. I bad heard of drillings
i.: the neighbourhood often before. I did not hear et any alarm
amen-At my aquain.ance or friends at t'it Meeting. I have no
cant,exion with arty persons who were them. The bodies march-
ed. They did net appear to have leaders. I said they came in
sec•ions but by that I only meant that they came some abreast.
I did not see them in the streets. Those that went into the field
inarched,like a file of soldiers, abreast. I did not see that anr of
them bad a mark of distinction, or command, They marched
l persons who had been drilled. I don't know that their ap.
tstr.tice confirmed in my mind what I had heard of drilling.—
, don't mean to s y they walked as regular as soldiers, but they
mere a little more. orderly than persona wanting in the street.
. from their manner of walking, do you think, on your oath,
Ciat they had heen drilled ?—I do think they had had sans in-

• teetions.
Will you not say, that the impression an 'our mind was, that
tuey h.,1 been drilled ?—I have ;aid, I believed they get insane-
but of drilling I know nothing.
Hew many were there?—About 60,000, but I don't know
leech of Public Ire ins. Their corduct was quite peaceable.
, they came in, they formed round the hustings. I can't say
they all brought up their banners to the huetings. I was never
reaper to them than front 15 to 20 yards. I did not try to get
nearne. I remained with a friend of mine, a Specie! Constable.
I ,taut en reason to be alarmed in Mancheeter, after I beard that
the Magistrates had determined not to interfere.
1.11 put you a caw. Suppese at that Meeting speeches bed
b-en made of an inflammatori nature by various speaker, and
ie. :Wield.: of the Local Authorities—that is, the Magistrate;--
I ask you, would you be confident that such a Meeting weufd
ha sate in iNianchester?—l think speeches of that kin 4 always
h eve a bad effect: but, as I never heard such, I cannot give an
3,ZWtr.
Suppose a speech of this sort The farce of petition is now
Olaf ; -a million and a half of men have petitioned for Reform ;
tie greater part have been rejected, and none attended to; and
should the people again Jtoup to anything like petition, they
.0/1 deserve what they now suffer tor their dastardly conduct.
But we are confident that the spirit of the people will never
again coadesceed to pray to those whom the people themselves
eadht to delegete. The most determined men in the country
tar: ii: the retake of the Reformers. Where can the clans of
Corruption flnd writers of equal talent to Cobbett. or resolu-
eir to Cartwright, Zee.? Behind yoni is Starvation; before you,
the ientalions of Corruption. On all hands, we see nothing but
great Noblemen, Placemer, Pensioners, and a horde of black
cattle whom they call Bishops ; Fendholders, who consume
ef.::41,C00,000 a•year of the puleiie money, and those who give
ye--; a bullet when you cry for hrcad.'—Do yeu think, after
hearing such a speech as that, there would be no danger from
-the mob?—!This was part of a speech delivered at a Meeting
In Stnithlie:ci;.
Mr. Melt said, this was not proved to he a speech of hls, and
• it might have been made by the Learned Counsel himself, fer
• ineght he knew.
Mr. St :A LL,77.—ls that decorous?
Nr,Justice Bayer:v.—l think the question may he put, riot
as yerporting wori.s used by snt, hut as a stieposition
of elle Learned Cuuesel himself. He may AA the witness his
opinion of what tb probenle effect of such words would be,
upon such a multitude, and in the temper in which he described
them to be.
Mr. Bunt bowed, and the witness said, I should consider such
a *speech very improper.
ire the Cout,a.--,You are ashed, would it pioduce anger?--I
rent answer that, I am no politician.
• 1);(1 the people appearto you to be of the labouring class?—
G.r.erally speaking, they were.
Were there rot complaints of distress among that order in the
reighbourhoed great many.
1•': use what yen saw and knew, did you think they were dis-
ce.etented?—l did thick many of the working classes were dl3-.
c mtented.
MI you think then that a meeting of such persons would not
be ieflanv;d by such a speech as this?—.l should think, from such
a si,cech os this to the lower class, they Would.