Star.
London, England, 1816-03-08 00:00:00

FRIDAY, MARCH 8, Igl6.

thought necessary and convenient. He now came to
the point more imafrdiacely in question, and on that
he must *confess. that the Noble blifikeis's explans-
tiOei were to him unsatisfactory. He ivoold admit
from Vie statements which had been made; and from
what appeared respecting that financial seitesn,. that
it inigliebe the intent.on of its authors not so Voetjelse
the PrtiPerry Tax, if such could have been awarded
that their allections to have pledged •-•
Week in preference to the Property
theft hispeseweie that the war *mild'
irteitee:eiacb circumstances, that a
cdittintiiinee of the Property Tax would
lbet their* ;tai nothing in the system
'Pledge that the tax should not he coin;
of peace. Whether such a measure would be lilsst
oieepidient, vial Arita& 'question. Nothing of she
.*ind wal now et issue. But it appeared on, the face
of the ;flan, that In certain circumstances the teas
ender its operation, must have been continued in
• eof peace. This Would appear ftom a reference
abed the paragraphs, e'n Sieli.)efise iii yrhich the
plan was. conceised would 'bias appear Gem the dot'
cements printed by astliority; ;SO lid beFore'Pariia.
bent. prom this (which was i id by 'hit Lordship)
je appeared, that should the war continue beyond a
'retain period, the Property Tax was to be continued,
end applied to the purposes of the plan, the inevitable
I.:ference from which, he arried, must be, tbat the
plan would go to pledges the tax in question (should
the wsr have continued beyond seven rears) fot A
certain period of peace. He was not questioningthe
expediency of such a mestere, but he was certainly
questioning, and he must deny that thOgood faith of
Parliament was ever pledged to its positive cessation
at any given time and be contended, from the part
of the plan to which be had referred, that the prin.
ciple was recognized, pledging the Propirty Tax to
a certain extent in time of peace. With respect to
what a Noble, or a Right Honourable Friend of his
might have said, it could pot be supposed that he
could answer for what words may be used ; but, ab.
erected from the irregularity of such a reference, he
believed it may be found they had never stated that it
Was the intention of that Government to have conti.
need the Property TAx in time of peace ; but that
they had chewed that from the plan it was in their
contemplation that circumstances might arise which
may induce the continuance of the tax ; but in either I
sense, no gtound whatever existed to form any charge
against his Majesty's Ministers on the occasion.
Lord GRENVILLE spoke at sot* length in sup.
port of what had fallen from his Noble Friend (the
Marquis of Lansdowne) relative to the finance plan
of 1806, and argued, that from whatever fairly ap-
peared on the face of the plan, and from every thing
that passed upon the occasion, it was not to* infer-
red that the then Administration had the least inter).
of comitmets, the Property Tax is time of peace;
dirrisisitiary, a Was oae of ifs psincti.dlobjects to
have avoided se obnoxious a measure. He contended
that at least a verbal pledge had been more thati once
given by. Ministers, and countenanced by the Legis.
fame, and it is his firm conviction, that nothing bolt
a general persuasion on the pat of the public, that
they would be eased of a considerable part et their
burthens, but more particularly the tax in question,
had induced them to bear those burthens to chete.l
fully as they had done. He deprecated drawing y.
terences as to the objects of a system, from what be
deented a garbled or unconnected extract. He do:
fended the measure of the increase of the Property
•I'ax by the Administration of 1806, and which, be
believed, was the intention of their great predecessor
in office to have done, had his valuable life been pea
&es ved to the country.
A Petition against the Insolvent Debtors' Bill was
ted from Koaresborough, is the county of
V47):17,1 by cue of their Lordships, and ordered to lie
os she table.

• STATO OP THE WATIOS.
The Order of the Day, upon which their Lord-
ships were summoned, being read—
The Doke of BEDFORD rose, pursuant to his
notice, and observed, that the subject to which be
bad to call their Lordships' attention, was one of so
much magnitude, and embraced such a variety of
hiportant objects, that he should have shrunk from
tie . task which be had undertaken, did he not feel
certain of receiving from their Lnrdships' indulgence
that degree of favourable attention of which he stood
se much in oeed. His Grace then stated his inten-
tion of concluding by moving for a Committee of
the whok House 40 consider of the State of the
Nation. He then Merred to various precedents,
whose, on great and momentous occasions like the
such a course bad been adopted by the
The Noble Duke was proceeding with his
subject, when be, ending himself suddenly Indispos-
ed, resumed his seat, apparently much affected, and
unable to proceed farther.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE immediately
suggested that the House would perhaps allow the
Noble Duke to postpone his motion to another day.
• The Earl of LIVERPOOL said. he had too
much personal esteem for the Noble Duke to object
to any postponement suitable to' his Grace's con-
venience.

Earl GREY thou moved that the debate be ad-
journed till Tuesday neat, which was immediately
agreed to by their Lordships, who were ordered to
be summoned accordingly. •
• Adjourned tiU tomorrow.
HOUSE OF COMMONS;
Nation Aecounb wateptesented of the amounts of Duties
es soots, &c. IA Scotland, for the last itae.—Ordered to he en
the table.
A Petition front the Inalreapers and Publicans of Manehewer,
quiet the New Lies= Duties, was brouiht op and ordered w
iks ea the table.

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• PaPors issrepreseted front the East India Company, relative
to the Itirdatial of the Camellia Bombay, Mama, Fort
St. Ceoqpie, Ito
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR rose , for khe purpose of
moving foe a Couniittee, to consider the state of the
Pavements of the hitftolis, in preference to moving
for knit to bring io a M. Lit year his_ Bill vs,

read a wend time, sad he withdrew it, beeense bs
was informed, by delegates imm diff-reng (wishes
that he would meet with engve general suppnet by
pootponing it till the present time. But the Plaids
of Wry-la-benne. and a few others, had seceded
from their engagement with him, and opposed the
iheasure. He would new however, be able to hew
that trued of the Parish";

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Ilia numerous accidents that happened,' the Honour.
able Gentleman expressed his hope, that the House
would grant the Committee, in which he shonld pro.
pose, that all the Parish Clerks in London should be
summoned to attend, to 'hew in what way the 13,11
wad be (rinsed to benefit the publiF at large. them
astedt, is short, be some inspection of the streets, by
tire public Officers 'of Bath Porlik, 'whose gams
dtoutd be alfized in places where all persons might
see them, and know to whom to apply, to levitate •
object in view. If it were not obtained by this
Maas, compulsory meusures would be necessary, as
the only remedy for the accidents that so frequenely
occur. He therefore trusted that the House would
give its unanimous attention to so laudable a subject.
Tbe Hon. Gentleman concluded with moving foe a
Select Committee; to inquire into the present state of
the Pavement of the Metropolis.
Sir JOHN SIMEON said a few words in juitifi.
cation of the Palish of Mary-la-bonne, (or wishing
not to be included in ille Qfll, as he was sure that
they had the means of patting their Parish in cont.
plete repair. No people could be more desirous of
doing their duty.
General THORNTON could auure the House
that the Parish of St. George's; Hanover•sqsare, was
equally Inclined is do its duty as the Hot; Baronet
had Asserted the Parish of Mary-la-bonne to be, but
he thought the Vestries hid not the power to do
what WAS necessary. The interposition of the Hon.
-Mover had, however, done some good already, and
the Motion should have bis support.
Mr. HURST. defended the statements of his kit"
Friend, •and supported the moti.n.
Mr. M.A. TAYLOR again descanted on the op.
position of the Parish of Mary-la-bonne, which had
sent circular letters to the different parishes, wed aim
sent deputations to the vestries, to induce them to
use every means to stifle his I the names of
Bishops and the first Grandees in the kingdom - were
handed about, as in opposition to this Bill ; and when
he (Mr. Taylor) came to invite how this was, WlC-
nil of the great men in question having previotisly
promised him that tisei w.nold support Iles 841, he
luttilitllgLefrutd acute to the Ifesay to vote only
for a new Inspector, and had never seen any of the
Resolutions against the Bill, io that their -names
were rurrertitiously used for a purpose for woicb
they never gave them. With respect to the Pariah
of St. George's, he was sure of their concurrence it;
the Pleasure.

The question was then. pot and carried, and the
Committee of twentpone Members appointed.
Lord COCHRANE rose to move for copies of
various letters hors himselt to the Secretary of the
Admiralty, at different times, and the answers, which'
he stated to be necessary to the Motion be intended
to make, relative to his late trial.
Mr. LUSHINGTON supgested, that if any of
those letters involved public affairs, they could nut
be granted.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE requested the Noble Lord
to suspend his Motion till the House was better at.
tended, as belied desaibed the nature of it in so low
, a tone, that few of the Members opposite could hear
it; besides which, the Gentleman who could partien•
larly reply to him, tinny objections were to be made,
was not present.
Lord COCHRANE acceded to the request.
Mr. BENNETT moved for accounts of the amoust
of all Colonial Produce imported into the United
Kingdona for the last ten years, together with the
names of all pansies to whom the consignments wire
made. Also an Account of the Eapeuces of the
Royal Waggon Train, from the Ist of January,
ISIS, to .the Ist of Janu.try, 1/318, specifying 'hie
Allowances to Staff Officers, and other particulars.
Areed to.
Order of the Day far calling over the names
of defaulters was discharged.
Mr. ABE RC ROM B Y moved for an Account of
aUAugmentations which had.takeo place in the Sa-
laries ot* the Commissioners of the Navy Board, since.
the Ist of June, 1814.
After a few words from the*CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER, who intimated that the He.
nourable Gentleman could attain his object by other
means than a Motion, he consented to withdraw it.
hlr. J. P. GRAM' wished to know whether the
returns ordered by the House, on the motion tit the
Honourable Member' for Waterford, relative to the
Fees of the Court of Session in Scotland, had hese
'received. He took the present opportunity' of stating,
that Much misapprehension had prevailed, as to the
Order of the House having been sllgh eti by ihute
to whom it Was seat ; for no blame was to be attached
to the Court of Session, or any other persons. The
delay was'eaused, in the first instance, by the order
fiaving been sent from the Secretary of State's Of. -
fiat for the Hotne Departrftent to the Lord 'Advocate
for Scotland, instead of to the Lord Pre.ident of the
`COlirtof Session. No persons were less liable to sus-
,picion of disrespect to that House than the Heads of
that Court, for no kersons were nigte upright and in-
dependent thin thosil GentlaMes. His Duty obket
in making these observations vote to relieve thins
from the imputation'ot *rata negligenorbedisrespeet
to the Or,ters of the Minot. A
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
concurred in the justice which the liosiveltgope G.
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we been avoided that setae, of the Parishes were en poor, and their ,
ged all the 'other funds so low, that they mold never I,dsthe mesas
ty Tat, and that , *taking the inspotenelionte, weft:-offset'. were se
Idhave cowhides!! 4. - the/ 'pet. on t ' when
nmessity..int , _. C - ~,,
.
goad not exist ;-g ~ ~ re cm.er
tern to involve a the shinsetul condition of the streets' in msny ports
colitinued in tint* of the metiopalle,• and attributing to them many of
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