The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1839-10-29 00:00:00

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perform both to God and to the people, and in God Hi"
Scripture we might see this principle recognisedbY tof
the
self through all ages. (Hear, hear.) In every par.
_tine
Bible, this principle was inculcated, that it was the D,ainafor
duty of the government to provide religious instruc',lo,
the people—not only for the sake of the people t
but because a national recognition of the presencehe reedis
besrell'
the affairs of men was due from every nation under goala
(Cheers.) Were he inclined to argue the question, l'e,,es 1
advance, as one of his strongest positions, that ita "
bounden duty of every nation upon earth to have ern4o
credit
recognition of that God who lives on high, who int veme°
the affairs of every people, who controlled every mold got
whether of nations or individuals, so that not a flyea•riao
upon the breeze, nor an earthquake shake the ear"Dribetr.)
revolution occur but all was controlled b Him.
The minutest as well as the most stupy endous ma eye "
which took place in this world, were all under the
God, and could not take place without His Ferttioiell
(Hear, hear.) If this were true, he repeated, seen a -De.;
recognition of God ought to be made by all people. (AlO,-
It was therefore the duty of a government toward! ntocot,e,
their duty towards their fellow men to endeavour Or,
national religion for the people. He begged to lay :wow
single syllogism. What was the duty of goverment'a Ore
the people ? Was it not to do all in their power Inittedt,°,l
the present and eternal welfare of the people ceinb eOP
their charge ? Religious instruction was that
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best promote the present and future welfare or .',.;00
ergo it was the duty of government to provide rebb,,,e
struction for the poople. (Hear, hear.)
talented and the most argumentative volunlit:rydetoeudelariloe,"
this proposition. All their ingenious sophistrY could
O'd
overturn it ; they must acknowledge the truth 0' oelisl
part of the proposition and of the second part, an Oa"'
here, then, a noble ground for justifying our churcie,r‘iiet 0;
He would not, however, rest her defence upon leered o<
soning, for in every page of the Bible we saw Men coo '"'
duty of the government to provide religious instru s priestts
s
the people. History recorded this ; prophets as well,at
had written this ; and in, the Scriptures we saw t"rs
kings of Israel who received the most marked fav°';',„ltlle
Be
were those that did most for the glory of Geu
welfare of the people by providing religious it-L.:4'11;40.
them, and that those kings upon whom the disPlectedlas
the Almighty rested were the very kings who slii,oor
word, who contemned his name, who disrigardecl,ll;apsorl.
mends, and who did all they could to introduce LI, to'ilif
idolatry in the land. (Hear.) If this would aPP )earolt
people and monarchy of Israel would it not apply °Vie °if
people and our own monarchy too ? (Cheers.)
God the same God " yesterday, to-day, and RI efli-e 0°,1;1
he controlled and regulated according to his will '
ago
ments of the kingdom of Israel three thousand Yearg,,;liwed.
he not control and regulate the movements of mit. °iv OPT;
dom now? (Hear, hear,) If he condescended Inc, tia°
cise of his sovereign prerogative to look down frool°-na 5tW
above and control the most minute as well as the in,sts
pendous movements of the world three thousand Y'dttero
did he not do the same now? Had the peoPlc •?,,SAt,
vernment responsibility then which they had no!., at; (IT
the world altered or had it lost its allegiance to u°,
hear.) Here he was reminded of a saving frequent 4 o
ward by their friends the conservatives and by
v.irter, sr'd,
too : they told us that loyalty was a beautiful
i
that it was esteemed much by the constitution of ii. 401;
Loyalty was esteemed by every true-hearted
If a man struck the monarch he was deemed worthY s Ale
such an offence was regarded as high treason!' hat lee t'hiti•
were disloyal to his God, if he forgot his alleg'3%ll.o
who made him, if he laughed at the idea of a 'Vele o'Sf•
dence, if he said " God may concern himself abobutiitt
of individuals but he does not concern himself a tire° ',O
fairs of nations," did he not desire the disPle4-,,-
mighty God, and would he not visit his displeasth.- 0".
at
for such by introducing evils for which we had been sup
free ? England, he said, stood a monument of thee
t,"eililt:
well as the justifiability of the national church. is en's !rep
the church had been reformed had not England 'era cahtol
and prosperous nation? Had she not gone on Oa, heiP'ssi
gree of greatness to another, until she arrived at.'o, to d
prosperity unparalled in history ? Was this owri,;teOresi
peculiarity •in the climate ?' No. Peculiarity of chizofe goal
never guarantee greatness to a people. Was eat oa?
some thousands of years ago, and what was she °oleo° of
the climate of Rome changed ? No ; it was the s it la pi
when Rome was in her highest prosperity. IV3,s.flateeu,sre
other peculiarity that greatness was to began,",-/
people ? No ; it could only be secured by the,4":4
of Him who reigned over the destinies of kingu°l-:alli,''o.)
pie that looked up to him, and who preserve Loud rbeetabe;
integrity and allegiance they owed to him kw-aisPt
So much for the argument then which was now hal 51,sie
tween ourselves and the voluntaries. The lde,a,,ttlede,i4
him, on hearing the sentiments of the hon• and. 'cil e defog'man, that there were several inconsistencies m,
ch °f hero
of these voluntaries. They acknowledged the Cenae b""ail't
land to contain within her vital religion, thatt-ao- die Ai'
eminently useful, and that if she was severed,ai'etliOetsif,
they would not remove one stone of her beau coanca9
they meant to object to the church, not because 'the ilsge'
within her vital religion, but because she was his iv/ r
establishment, and if they felt bound to remove this tbefiesr,
ment upon the rights of private conscience, whY th? ( Pr
urge the same principles in the case of Mairme tort 01,
hear.) Was not the principle of the state Prtianou,se
a religion which they did not •believe, as obj,,aneta lbeee!;
the national establishment. (Hear, hear.) "I"„epor,alll,e'
object to that ? Would they not see that to
loge in which popery was taught was directly' c°,ne
own principles ? (Hear, hear.) But they ne,,sed
gle syllable against it ; and when they were as,b•ed l‘an,lts'.',
petitions against the annual grant they reld'enothiadrar,."
are acting from party motives and we will hav„cthen .evt
with you." Then why not get up a petiton f
(Loud cheers.) Had the meeting ever heard aotl'lso,,
petitioning against Alaynooth ? But had theYst tee ;Itie,
them being ready to assist the petitioning again ine re o',
to which we belonged ? (Hear, hear.) The s`? in nreol'i
was involved in both; and if we saw them hostowe e tbe
and complacent in the other, we must Pres% 03'45illr't
some other motive more particularly when oeneetoi'iso
good case in itself. (Hear, hear.) He was 'raid°
there must be some other motive for their °PPS
are t
church whilst they acknowledged she containcuinoe,,
vital religion. Again, It was not very long al.°,,b
a war with a certain party about a system w"'"iion
very wrong_beeause it went to provide instruTes',o 0010,1
religion. Did the voluntaries assist us here ? - face 9outee,(
Because it was a system containing princiPleare eanalt'd
themselves, and because some of their friends v`,"
in it. (Hear, hear.) -Whenever it served thee' tneeisetti
had done all they could to oppose us L and sonts', Coi,l;jely
who were first and foremost in supporting tl':'tbe
Schools were among the first and foremost °toe obilite4l,
Men's Voluntary Church Association,"to °P this
present society had been formed. -Was not geoo,eo(,l
sistency ? (Hear, hear.) In one case a cer'l,e
was president of the association formed to
of England, because, as he stated, public motes o'o4
to support her • and the very same gentleman leb der,) /
es advocate of Corporation Schools ,i'vb„,inbes
the corporation schools to support them. Vl' 'Oleic,"
same principle was involved in the two : estefoi,,e-,•
the same individual assisting and opposing `,:tc
that there was some other motive besides sinceb'e fie
to account for the opposition. He would netatife4e!os
table to say that the parties had any sinister „ 05' Poi
He would allow to others the same right whelwoetinkt,
himself—(hear, hear)—but whether they were
~,as,elchfa.
proper or a sinister motive he was justifiea 1" aa,leisbl,'"
they were influenced by prejudice and pass'atniie
honesty and integrity in their hostility. to ~,ealle'try
Church. He would, with all modesty, give t" ere Pad ri'
and put to them this question, whether thene
ing true religion by opposing the church nce jao
they admitted contained within her the feriaessealli
gion ? (Hear, hear.) Mr. Watham then
plan vi
voi
the resolution and sat down amidst great aPPtion•
Mr. W. H. MOORE, seconded the resole the io
under existing circumstances, I will not detteaon4,se4ll
by making more than one observation. kie cehrefo,"k,
our opponents may object, that your o'oo poi t 1
yourself are not acting as you ought, in c tari3a pre'te.lll
support of what they may term a merely se
by tbe
think it has been proved to demonstration olis aPjeoe,)ii,
speakers, that however, few may be the Perlts
tarry the objects of our society into effeetL,-I hc:'o"ry'd;
be to benefit the whole community, bec,,,any, 01)0,1'04'0(0i
draw down the blessing of Almighty trwill ea: aig,r, cJe
But suppose our opponents have not, th.
pacity, but disinterestedness, to listen `3oee'Dos°4l,
which have been advanced, I should saY a
forget that when our noble representative,t3awrd
colleague, who occupies the chair, came 'crtitati°,o:leriiief,
tical arena, they manfully displayed the c°3,?foog
dpree` t'
bearing the heart-stirring and heart-grad io
" The union of church and state, and scr'rwaril -011701,Y1
(Loud cheers.) They manfully went fTreetion.esl,i,9
triple alliance of Popery, Socinamism aMi„%f
and, God be thanked, it is It mere see'l,S"„ar.) fory
is opposed to one venerable church. 1/4"-aotia'nle
battle you know was fought. The constiturest he .00'0'
victorious, now I would say " shall sve,ing,
the new laurels, without reaping and enje) tbe ter t 0
fruits of our victory?" Shall we not u5e...0,4144e,
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power we have put into the hands of our 7,0 stir
tives, in defence of the union of church flit. th7,00.,,,,`,,
hear.) And if it should please God, to mrinnoieileirtfol
an humble instrument in promoting his „ogle
I believe that neither yourself, nor your (..na
regret the part you have taken in its formaieiv„ sevso
I will not longer detain you, but conclud
cape
resolution, which has been so ably propose tO •
(Hear.) - se, a
1105
Mr. SAMUEL II OLME then presented apy its. 00
ing, amidst deafening and long-continnuchaaleellt
the motion for the vote of thanks to tlteraeotd
carried, as we need scarcely say, with
Mr. CRESSWELL, in returning thantli ao the De
early part of the evening, when there of nal ritil
particular reason why an early dissoliq; sbatetifiiiii„l
would be desirable, he considered tba,t opera Ilfies4
passing on the privileges of others if 'le, persfafiee"tliq
which was strictly the province of tli,!iin ~neoo
chair, and attempted to take on hitnselr4,, clots, /It!"
those matters, which had now been so abu,' othVerailesl
affectingly presented to the audience jog
Period of the evening, when all bad been,ure, ban es,,es• 4
intense heat, and,from a degree of Pre''-nese
exceedingly inconvenient, it would brained tlie.t ft,',
it would be perfect cruelty, if he de,litand
turning his hearty thanks for the conl,lo'aeee";ttilifiellt,
been paid to him. (Cheers.) RicblY,
, rewarded for the poor miserable servla_easiv
, chair, for he had enjoyed the greatest l'_oti
_„e
-ble e" rvto
, treat, and received the greatest possi recce eve ,V
assistance in pursuing that course as a se beetiood,oo,6,
he had hitherto attempted to pursue..r sire,o be
, resting subject which had occupied thFiatueo
was hereafter presented before the leg' bad s
animated by the recollection of what beliget
he could back any poor arguments be f. and
ration of the feelings there exhibitecoy,,at'e Ptia°,o4,
I 1-A should be able to'repeat, however.ileanble (fr
however poor, compared with that 'inreefrogaitlecteess,o
them, some portion of the strong, ferniltiiell
urged that night. (Loud cheers.) tot ,41 'of
the honourable and learned gentleman/ 0f ol?oo 11,
thanking you for this cordial receptle; in f3l"iia setif,
you, for the feeling you have displaYe,',„e shall le toir
stitution which you love, and to whic".,ieetiegi'lie
and praying you now to close this reity, e deefiCVl
with a solemn invocation 00 the %jell b she° sib'
M`Niele, will point out the mode "eetlog siteli
and I concur with him, that this in 001 (el
00 be oFeilli
work. that be :t niche
The Rev. Mr. AVNEILE said gretl-Ltarlael:;be
for language to express the sincereoo; or° eetr
chairman for his concluding observ3,d be lig IP 0e ''.1,411,
the act of praise recommended, woui_oenio,lot wit top
highest benefit to all composing that endealint 1114
shall bear in mind for what we contcilleng..ooPaio„Yir
as children contending for the seatrie
fended the scaffolding for the sake of
.1- in Ilia efit,s#o,,,
be recollected that the object in vie",'tbe toir °},e
tablished church was to bring by °tea' tot'efivoe
vation to high and low, rich and P°O.r.' freely ire; to 4
consisting in presenting Jesus £11r.i,_,4 fro!: file
ner, and in weaning that sinner ner`ind
love of God—that there he might, Pkicel"ei 4/;;,i
such companionship with God as '0 e,ile dith„leifeboifio
Holy Father, prepare him to meet , tbe yob• est, 2;
sent life, and to enter in peace int°,ls tbe;'o',Y.
the life to come. Therefore it ri frowefarye„P,p,
that they should turn their attentieallise brief csslie,
the jewel contained within, and recoil° reiFe
that rest in God where alone man tiel pril4e
in the enjoyment of which, pray
and beo- Lfr
stinctive breathing of his soul, anbriot.
Pug. and loye which are by Jesus