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London, England, 1817-08-22 00:00:00

At without success. Aft-r a lung pause, the Major
was suffned to prozeed. He ageiii insisted on the
neeet.,i y which extstrd fel suet resnintinits being
come to by that Meeting, IS should mote not only
that tt e) felt the ev,ls antler which the country
11,1! that they knew the cauvesof them. With
tt.ii vii vf be had framed mitt Resolutions, which, if
a:: ~p;.4;sto:nity occurred, he had intended to more.
He acc,.rdingly react four Resolunons, which went to
n.cishe die distress complained of to tazation. cot.
tuptii.n. and the went of a . Reiman in Parliament,
without *lnch. they declared the plan of Mr. Owen
cued not he adopted with any cLanee of success.
Several Gentlemen attempted to address the Meet.
but.could not obtain a hearing.
Mr. lloweantr was at length permitted to speak.
lie ,tAt_.d the Major, w lin had just sat down, to have
deicrierd Mr. Owtn to call for the opinion ut the
Meeting od his Odin. Heals-flied that Mr. Owen had
stone so. That Gentleman had toly submitted ti.
Orin the proprie:y • f relining it to a Committ:e, of
which Mi(s. Cotwright w is to be a meiuber.
Mr. Tit:KKR then came forward, and in a speech
of considerable length . xptsed the errnrs to which the
adoption of Mr. Owen's plan would had. The pre-
arm was altogether a political crestion, an 3 it had
been tie..ted as such by Mr. Owen himself. He
would say with the Poet—

" Lit those teach others who thertulves crtc►i!"

But to him it did not appear dist Mr. Owen excelled
its what •.e aff,cted to teach. His plan would not pin-
duce sit or the advantages expected .from it, but
wsiuld vial to a total disotganieation of society. Ae-
Itoidoi#:. to Mr. Owen's plan. the Mortise of popula-
tion *veld be even WIC than the increase of subsis-
tence, that would, in the end, destroy the in-
wade,: effect ; the remedy would, in fact, ba worse'
than the disease. It was intended by it to remove.
111.ril man all or many of those evils to which he is
st.lii.:et as society is at present constituted, but?
took horn him at the same time his greatest bootees
of happiness. For what man of saintly was these,
who,. however 'much he might have toiled in the
CGUIW of the day, semi not solaced in the evening
by. the cumt.nts, however• humble they might be,
of his domestic • fire-.:i.le ?—(Lced .dmlcsus.)—Of
this he would be debarred by the present plan;
he could not, atter a certain ages have the society
of his children, when their society was most endear-
ing. They would •be removed Irons his care, and
the noblest overdone of his nature world be titeretly
paralysed. it cot wholly extinct —(ifivikurre).—Could
such t UAW he endured by any matt who had ever
Ignore. or over valued independence ?—(Cries to
Ne, Na) —Whatever was the little pittance WhiCh
VOW 1... tie labourer at the end rat Use week, it was at
his os and in that disposal, herniate as the
sum may ht. he frk comparative independence -
(Mord aNdatut)...-But all this would be dine away
with n the prop.srd plan. He would prefer to see
turn p vet y, with a little liceftlioesness, than such a
change— (aiirrer.)—Lie did nut mean the word li-
centimisties,, bt.t in a hunted and qualified sense. In
conclusion t e say. that the plan could not
have his supra, as it it wade a change in the state
of suciet), it w.uldbe tlvidently for the worse.

Loud (-Tit sra ,e If 'oder; 14/04/er
Wrekne then c itn.• tn t. aril. He objected to
the plan at score length...l., .elh he admitted that the
proposer of it was entitled to etery consideration anti
eves respect for his beuevelent intentions. He had
condemned the c'eoluct of Ministers for their igno.
tante and neghgerce, and at the same time he pro•
posed that these vet, men should form part of the
very ssme Committee. This he conceived was an
insult to the Meeting, which they ought not to sub-
net to. Ile also emu:tiled that there did not ezist
that ignorance and immorality among the lnwcr or-
ders, which wiz 4P...scribe! by Mr. Owen ; • for their
c induct, under all their great privations, could not
by any means bear such an interpretation. The real
cause of the distress t!,e. worthy Gekti• man did not
take into his view, but without a knowledge of such
a cause k would be impossible to come at the proper
remedy. It would be endeavouring to cover up the
wound without probing it; tut though it may be
hid for a while, it would not be cured by such
means. The cause of the distress and asserted de.!
moralisation was manifest, and until it was removed
it would be impossible to give a proper remedy.—;
It would be absurd to say, that ic 2 0 a.year would
insppurt a man and his ternily, in comfort, by the
resent plan, and at the same time to pass over,
without notice, those persons who received as much
money for doing nothing as would be sufficient to
suppoi t cue lionthed such families—(l.ora/ atelairm).
But this was the case at present. it was one of the
causes of that distress to which the very inadequate
remedy was now proposed, and it was owing solely
to the went of a proper control by the people over
their Representatives. ( Applaum. ) lie would ask,
were the people nho were to be immured in the pro-
posed villages or inclosed buildings, to have ailypo-
Itical rights, and if they were. Low wei e they to be
eserciseJ It appeared to him, that Calder such cir-
comstances if they were to have the mom: of political I
rights. they woisSJ be debarred :mu' I.:1z proper cur-
ette of them. They would in tic. little better than
doves. The Meeting was then decide whether
such should be the lot of any portion of their fellow.
countrymen? The worthy mover of the plan had said,
that he should be content to shot himself up in one of
those villages, and remain there for the:est of his
If he, retested to end his days in that manner, ea
person could controul him ; bust there was one envy
to which he (Mr. Waoler) should advise bon,
and in the execution cf which he should have I.is
most hearty support—that was, to shut up all the
with whose set vices society could dispense, or ratha,
who were of no use to society at ais—(4
That, indeed, would be a benefit. Let bins then
teach them that religion which teas over yet taught
to man— (Much lartzhier.) And alter they had sp..ut
tour in five and thirty years in that abode. if they
they may I,;! able to give suds
came back to society,
an account tit the place as may induce Theis to sup-
port it—(A laugh.) as the whole, he could not
agree to the plan, for he would rather see poverty
with independence than any private comfort with lc-
Strictt d iibet ty.
dlr. es ALB JON ics de;ended the system or Mr. Owen.
The opponents of the plan, I.e contended, shut their
eye. to tile m 'testy of the conipkte structure, in or del
that they might nibble it piece-mesh. hinds mis-
conception had canted on that subjtct, and wavy