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that the evidence of Mr. Goold came in a very ques-
tionable, if not a suspiciouk shape. If some other
person than Mr. Goold had given such an evidence,
he would have been seat to Newgate—(Hear, hear).
Mr. GRATTAN bestowed many compliments on
Goold, whom he had.known intimately for more
than twenty years. If Mr. Gould be not an honest
man, then he (Mr. Grattan) was not an honest man.
There was not the smallest ground for questioning
his integrity ;' and were he (Mr. Grattan) to sit in
silence, while any insinuations were thrown on the
character of Mr. Goold, he 'should certainly think
himself one of the most ungrateful men living. He was
one of his constituents, and entitled to his highest con-
dence and friendship. As to the main question, he
would not take up the time of the Home at that late
hourin discussing its merits or demerits.
Mi. MARTIN, of Galway, did not view the con-
duct of Mr. Quin in the heinous light some Gentle-
men did. A report was in circulation that Mr. Quin
had restored Mr. Grady to his late office. If this
were even in contemplation,- he hoped the House
would agree to an adjournment to afford the Honour-
able Member an opportunity of confirming it.—
(Leash, and No ! no !)
Mr. BROUGHAM said he would not detain the
house long; but on a question of such importance,
affecting not only a Member of the House, but two
other respectable individual's, he could not think him-
self justified by giving a silent vote. Without mean-
ing the least disrespect to the House or its privileges,
he must say that the offence, as originally charged
against Mr. Quin, sunk into an unimportant question,
as it affected his (Mr. Brougham's) feelings, com-
pared with what afterwards occurred incidentally.
If at the outset the offence was fairly and candidly
adrnitted—if Mr. Quin thought it consistent with his
recollection of facts and hisfeelings of honour to avow
the negotiation and throw himself upon the House, he
would now stand higher in their opinion than he did.
But, instead of doing so, when charged with a com-
paratively slight offence, he defended himself by an
unqualified denial of the facts, and if not directly;
he at least virtually, accused those who appeared as
witnesses against him with what appeared to be nei-
ther more nor less than a foul and base conspiracy to
ruin him by false. depositions. The evidence would
shew how far he was borne out in this accusation.
The conclusions to be drawn from it depended en-
tirely upon the comparative reliance to be placed
upon the two principal witnesses. After attending
carefully to the examination of Mr. Goold, he could
not say that he came to any supposition inconsistent
with that Gentleman's veracity. 'Upon this he could
entertain no doubt, after what fell from his Learned
Friend (Mr. Plur.kett), and after the great and vene-
rable authority of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Grat-
tan) ; after having heard besides, that Mr. Gould was
so long the intimate friend of a lamented individual
(Mr. IFonsonby.) It could not be admitted, however,
• that Mr. Goold's evidence was to be taken as correct.
Her: his former good character came in aid of his'
conduct Open the present occasion, and must natu-
rally induce them to attribute to defect of memory,
or a weak state of health, what would appear other-
wise not easily accounted for. Mr. Brougham then
proceeded to shew that those contradictions pointed
out by his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Plunkett)
did not exist in the evidence. He condemned the
conduct of Mr. Quin during the examining of the
witnesses. There could be little' doubt, after the
open, manly, and candid manner in which Mr.
Carew Smyth delivered his evidence, that the pro-
posal of a political union between Mr. Quin and Mr.
Grady did not come from him. At least the contrary
would appear to be the case from the statementsgiven.
Mr. Smyth was the person who put the question as
to what Mr. Quin meant by being politically united.
This shewed that it was not he who originated the
conversation. In fact, theoffice of Clerk of the Peace
appeared to be more in the minds of all the parties
concerned than the corrupt act they were engaged in.
Af: to Gabbett, Roche, and Smyth, their testimony
might be considered as nothing. Taken together, it
amounted to little more than confirmatory evidence
of what Mr. Quin stated. Mr. Quin told Mr.Gabiset,
Mr. Quin told Mr. Roche, Mr. Quin told Mr. Smyth.
This was the whole of what they had to say, and could
have no influence one way or other upon the question.
The Honourable and Learned Gentleman proceeded
to comment on the degree of credit that was due to
the evidence of Mr. Smyth and Mr. Gould, and con-
teacled that Mr. Goold's defective memory, and an
unintentional mistatemont might be adduced in his
defence; but if Mr. Smyth's evidence was to be re-
jected, it would be virtually ascribing to him a course
of conduct most dishonourable. Much as he regret-
ted the painful necessity he felt to give his decided
opinion, he was convinced, when the case of Fer-
guson, who was committed to Newgate, was taken
m.to view, the House would mete the same punish-
meat without regard to the obscurity or elevated sta-
tion of the individual—(Hear, hear.)
Sir JOHN NEWPORT bore testimony to the cha-
racters of Mr. Gould and Mr. Carew Smyth, end was
convinced the error into which the former had &Lien
arose from a lapse of memory. He was at the same
time bound to state that he felt the charge proved
against Mr. Quin. With respect to the office of Clerk
of the Peace lie would, when this question was dis-
posed of, give notice of a motion for placing that
office on the same footing in Ireland as in England ;
that is, to be holden durine of re. It was scan-
.,
ddous to see ore bargains which were made in an
office of this Aeon)
Mr. VALENTINE BLAKE tose, but the-cry of
44 Question," was so great that he was obliged to desist
from his attempt to address the House.
The SPEAKER then put the original Resolution
moved by Sir Robert Wilson seriatim. The 144.2c1,
and 3d were carried unanimously. On the 4th being
ready Mr. B.WILBRAHAM proposed his amendment.
Mr. PLUNKETT did not think it went far enough.
Mr. TIERNEY was for Sir Robert Wilson's Re-
solutions in preference to the Amendment. Mr.
Quin, he said, had admitted that it was virtually
understood what were the designs of the party by
the proposition alluded to.
Mr. COURTENAY did not think that it had been
properly made out that Mr. Quin had been guilty of
any think culpable, hoWever indiscreet some part of
his conduct might to some Gentlemen appear. The
proposition did not come from Mr. Quin: that was
not the motive operating on his mind The case had