Star.
London, England, 1829-03-20 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. Wau.as►, frees the ollits of • Woods sod Forest% presented
&term from the Commissioners of his Majesty's Wood . porsoaat
to an order of the How, treatill to the improvemtats
Cram
IBA NKR'S pretested omen Petkione, some from Yorkshire
and some from Wales, against farther coecession to the Homan
Catholics.

Sir B. HARVEY presented six Petitioas from Doven Court.
Chisholm, and mhos; place in the county et Ram estitohe

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Mreilla.lWAßT presented Petitions from the Catholics of
nanny ; &intone, in the Kings Coenty ; and nallineaniy, in the
money of Tipperary, in favour of Emancipatin, sod against We
DisfrancliWnnent of the Furry-shilling Freeholders.
Mr. TIMM presented seveti Petitions hum Protestants and
Catholics of the Kluges County and the comity of Westmeath.
against the Vestry and Sob letting Ads.
Colonel BARNARD presented Petitions from the Corporals
and Drummers of eke King's County and Limerick City Militia,
egoist the reduction of tie Militia Staff.
Lard LOWTHER presented Petitions against conceetimis to
the Catholics from Appleby, and other places in Cumberland. and
Westmoreland.
The &de BECTIVR presented Petitions in favour of Catholic
Emancipation from Lurgan, Ratlimure, and miser pLthei in the
empty of Meath.
Mr. hIONCK presented a Petition from the Catholics of KR-
bride. King's County, praying for a repeslet the Patel Law., and
Wither from Mr. Mallet, a Magistrate of the coustty of B:seks,
against any C.onermiso to the Candice, nukes accouspaided, by•
Radical Reform. The petitioner stated, that in the present-state.
of the Howe the Nabob of Arcot had the power of sodding Meas.
beep• law shit Heuee. He finally prayed that the-Todt Laws:
&tibia be introduced into Irelandt". • • • . . •
• Sir E HARVEY giamited a Pohl*. Bons i town in Essex
against Cenct-rion to the Catholics.
Sir IL 'IEGLIS presented a Petition from the Clergy and
other inhabitants of Glasgow, signed by above 7,000 in number,
against (whet _Coucessiou ; a similar Petition from Inthweil,
aired by above 800; and two other similar Petitiosti,ninneriioay.
and all very regatta/Ay signed. Ile towidered that these Pia-
dont most be uuderstood as speaking the genehse aentiniesta ut the,'
inhabitants of these di-triets. • • •
-Sir W. S. STEWART read several letters from iodittiduals its
Scotland to 'shove that these petitions bad been gtit up in catiserpieuce
of the religious feelings of the people being excited by ild iainthatory.
appeals of the Cletgy from the pulpit. . '
General GASCOY NE deprecated the system which Dow an
much prevails-II lc the House, of questiutting petitioni comingfrom
the people In opposition to further coocession. However. the Hon.
Member had in no degree shaken the authenticity or respectibilny
of the-petitionein: 'He trusted that numbers would minding to,
timid*, fur he was sere that if delay were allows& the oeberall
Sentiments. of the people would so far prevail, as usdeleitt.the
Moues Bill saw LA progress in this House. He knew •out why
women should not sign these petitious, and if he could have it
be would wish that everything which had animation Wit woad
stow a manifested* Of adverse minims on the subject. • • •
Sir JOHN WROTTSSLItYtaid the petitieus...f the people
bad all beastreseived. The importers of the measure heti beta
the advocates of the peoples riabts, when those who new 'expressed
so much tossed foi the people were supporting every measure ut
taxation, by which they were appraised:
lair. TItANT saw no reason .why Protestant Ministers should
tint exert their innovate against the measure as well as the Catho7
lie Priests in Ireland in fawner of it—(1104:
Lord A LTHOUP said, what the llotiourbble Baronet had corn-
planed of was making use of a place of worship to intone the
passim of the people; aiid that was certainly to be- coinplained
of wheo done by Clergymen of any dationiinatiim.
Sir R. INGLIS said he would not be deterred from priming
I die petitions of the people in opposition to a meieure.whith he con.
entered totally subversive of the best interests of •ttie. Constitinien
—(Hear). It pokiest were respectfully addressed' td thus Male;
land his conduct in presenting theft In conformity with the rules ot
the Hoots, that was all that be was bound to attend. to lir knew
not why the Protestant Clergy should MA warn the people of the
dangers that awaited them, and of inducing them by every legal
means to obviate and resist them. The people felt that the goes.
dun 'was one of a religious character, and bewondeted. not that
they 'steadily listened to the voice of their enlightened Pastors.
Mr. BARING thought they were bound to inquire a little into
the history of those Petitions, for thg purpose tit ase.ertaiaing OI
what materials they were composed. He admitted that in point of
numbers the people were opposed to concession; Sat if the acrual
testae off the anintry was taken. the minds of the people would be
toundto be saine-tenthe in favour MIL . •

Mr. 'IRAN, explained. No hid said that the interference ot
the Roman Catholic Clergy was a uniform practice in Ireland, end
he wished to see that put an end to before it. interference of the
Prouistant Clergy wasobjettedto. • . • •
Mr. C. PA LLislitit objected to the couise which lad beta posi.
sued by an Hun. Member (Mr. Baring)-in stignsatiOnte Petition
which had not yet, been prewnted, and detlistincihat tsche• false
ethicithe bad not read—Mier some further observahnts;* Peti-
tion was tottered to be printed. . • . *i •
Mr. DUNCOMUR presented ... sliteinz Pet itiolsabosb neeishio
in the county of York.. veins! the•Ceihelic elataue-Oldesentsiteil
agreed in "lama with tbosnliiiiibiiiigis. 1 that the iooduct of pub-
lic men echo bad changed Ilielti.unitinarats an IM. iovt. had'
given a shock to couildenie in which ii windnot easily!
recover. The Hight Hon. &Otter, of -the Home Department
eoutiunally alluded to the-suite :a Wand. but 'lletkedeved the state
of Ireland was more tranquil wider die gOv'ersininint Lord Aeigk-
ley than it had bees for many years; and Lost -Anglesey - baddc.
dared to the Home of Letdrthat he could have put down the Ca-
tholic Association, Audis been directed so to' do. „Ganda, the
Catholic Claims at present was kidding nut 'a premium to sedition
and rirbakin ; and an far from the measure giving secerity4o the
Premium 'establishment; he drought • it wouisibe put in thr.griatest
peril. Goo grant the measure • might! haver ties beneficial Glans
which its supporters promised 'to • theniseivira and she country; in-
stead of those gam which he anticipated, and made it I duty to
his country and his Sovereign to oppnie.the UM. •

aaraeswtramsou tor. 'CCIIITZIII3BIIII%
Lord C;e11170/41 said he bed o Petition to present from the.
freemen of Canterbury, which was eirred to. at a COmmop.Hall
anwened by the Mayor. The Petitioners complained, this Lae of
IMO representatives-had accepted the:goeuritasent of .Madras, and
bad roe to mid. In another quartet-of...the. world. They con
Maned it Melly important to tbels.interesiseihat bed tbeirtepri•
mutative* should be in, their places, and they.prayed the House to
take slime measure which would enable. &kern to oleic mod* re•
P"'!"lad"• - - - • . •.

kr. BARING said be had gives() ) otiorlait &Wood his intim.
ties: to bring is a Bill, by which it.sboold,be loaned. that any
Member accepting an *See Ander the Rae; ltdtagompany
omits his seat. in that House in the. pine *Winer :ha a sqt, was
vacated by the areeytance of an oliee Ake* tN Cowit.' lilt for
the Catholic Qoestionewhisk =groomed soma** dorgolblin. Hoe,
he (Mr. areas) would have introduced ASS fottblipUtgpoitjand
have taken the it:tose of the Hoene upo.n ofkile.oowfosetorit
to state, that be eioulet bring the stkect Won the_Hosiet lean
is the sublea-tilikh4etupled a? lira Of elipublit insittrioet
dir KRATCHBEILL said lie happostidler know that bk.
Luthingtoo woold.havy reigned his sett: .beforgite Ilk Mislead*
the request to do so had not been caseated in appirertivc manner.
He begged to haw:whether the pieitspytesbidt t do
Mgr Cithilites (Mr. Hiking) totoadottoiiiiotoio ;trio to be )01
spectm.or b aurelsgree esposktionlit",.! t: ' . : 14.1?
f. 4AlllNG.replied, that tiplotAanefi %mad trird.
and would not sleet the case-pow Adder cont ee a
at
would wet similar cases in 'rotate; AdAye i K
Nigro short coosoltasios, is which Ur.' Hhaooositrilfr.%
W*41110604 lit. PooLars took Van, %be Veladulk *44
ordcteti tq br prlated. . . • ' • • ' • "•••
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I Lord CLiFTOII reasoned ratlike& frees (twits* and (►ik,
atone in favour of cooesadoss to tbe Roni!in ca!!kolics.

Similar Petitions weft presented by Gobbed peones front W
lineord, Berta; and Rattiseday. SeMUL....dartd td be ptinteii

LORDON MID WESTMINSTER PSTITION.

Mr. C. PA LLM ER rose to present the Peti.ion of the
P. otestants of the metropolis against furth r concea.
?ions to the Roman Catholics. and spoke as follows:,
4 am toiled epos% Siva to perform the desy of tube*,
tmg to this House a Petition irons upwards of Hume
h .u.ebolders of London, Westatioster, and the places •
adjacent. upon the subjectot the Romeo Catholic Q.lee,
mos. I beg, in the 624 instaoce. t., assure the Hose
'bat it is not ray ieteution to peruse the irregular ad
ancanteauent course of .entcritlg into the wide, easume,
butts, but almost exhausted subject, but I have felt it
uoly common justice to such a Petition to announce ate
appearance with the respect that is due to h; and'
-hart feel it an act of justice nu less imperious to delis
for it the ..special one 'tient. or this House. Sir, its laud,
quake mid its pt ayer shall apes k for thelliS Ives..—(Here
the ii satierASie Men c stated the tob.ta . c 4,1 the
l'eti ion )—S icb is the wilier, S ~ of a 14.1.4tUT11 from
113,00:1 hosisels..lalers of that psstion at this country
vrhicb. I think I may say. a ithout disparagement to any
other p ot .f it, contai es a. muck property, ii.telligence,
informa i a, constitutional principle, moral worth, and
religion- ferialg, as ate lobe found in any part of the
empue. I believe fiat it will be fitund to twain
the oaldresse. of soot of 0 e in.:ividitols who have
I signed it AnJ I have .hr atop-ince i I Gentl,„,m
whose characters ate alyitre all urination, viot the u...
mos caution has been ujeJ to pies: ter it from the
injuries of injudicious fiends or the Acts of insi.:ifits
menthe. l amass°. po..ihly catheter ain re faith-
iul seismic to ion of Noble tegli. g and opinion. Si..
though I teir•in at .the in-eynt (home t catering 141,,
the geeing' quettion. I li-pd, the time will matte ...hen
1 may do thc. inspostaco Petition an act cf j icice. In
llir shoats time I may be p-united, I 'huh, without
depar. ng from my rule, to assert. that I cordially con.
cur di the principles on which this Petition is fomJed;
and that, in spot of the dogmas etid the rhetoric a
those who arrogantly call themselves the. intellectual, I
feel a conscientious conviction thot the, measure before
t,.e House is a ociestriiii of the itligiou of-the count; y „
the pure reformed refigi.m--and that this Hoe e or •
Cot mons has no-more Aright, against the will of the
people, to'timit Papists into the LeAielatute, titan they
have to severse the • principle and eiclude from it the
Ps inestatits. Would they Blare to do that ? S r. these pea
4 itiont to apetaalith tirielViuse. in loogi:tage which, though
.troug,.tso,pettlut.'. That,th they -.tar nut thundei at
your dears with 'ob.treperous menacr„or, hurl defiance
At yottreutholity,..it is not liecous they ate isociout
of :What ii due to them. Jr ttillieii:ietsttihist.,tiveo, hot
it is because the -cellgioo. wiitcltiiii.y.:tell .40;.. ,04
to protect inculcates' Oaf ther.O.iee itit undivided Al.
iegiiiice,. it ipiritital*arid.linipoi4 siftedirtrie,• to cnly
.one power—to that saercd hook „Which iiir.hes them to
tear quo and hpouurithe 'gin& anal .esoect authorities.
Ant! butane they Conat'belseve that a PArliainetit. t 1
I Aids fel f epreseetaci ins tad .lo.fee 'betray their to dit -as
to surre.idtt to the tipiptiof-art 41,iotiotion, which his
Majesty has cslled "dangerous lathe public peace, and
inconsistent is ith the spirit of the Comlitutiols".T..that
Constitutienind that sehgioo which the prayer. iii.OMIT
irons of an dhealieot and loyal pair le. ait e 44,1t:iiiii.10?
,idl them to preserve. .-
As-it Member of PAlsottim.i.
.i.motibly 'but earnestly:entreat his Majesty's Ministese,
and this House,-tO listen io the pa) CS b. tsf illtillkittlei'
'te, beware bow they overlook .their legitli*lttieei,
haw they miae,elculate the.* Maialftireei StPsirieviaid.
ageiost: the islatoation.oVhitn. who, lOwn!Ehlgzetlimettie
grganttic elopliiiiti."Afiltakes ductality.fnifyir isesholiihe
tie avails himself *of 'the Owl 41:energies,
.. -.literigyti.
overlooks the tterneeslost,Stieksar .IO-oeti..
elusion, Ski, I beg perhOstien tkadd:-iffa' hoping and
belicying that; la nisfleteit.hour.ilball tooth.iCkOrith
kuttescrepabie hoppiems to...the „lterible bet• hearty putt
which I have :taken in shroaketed_ cause; 11 than. feel A
ail ii:c i leulable ougnientatidilllfihat etijnymeut to reflect
tbat.it has plaided me, avithaitieny other, ptetension; to
tam 4i6tbsgssibised begOist• .of iiliocing. this (electable
prticion sion the toble tit *be. litiese tiredly mons. .
Alderman Wit ITU M A Ntimdestwid that this Petition was get
up at the Clown and Auchir,.priocipedir by Crgynits' They
held a public meeting, antioneehting that their ohjett would le
these*, thwarted, they edpitirivid to r sivae apartment, and there
agreed. among themselves to the present Petition. One of the
placards which bad beep Sweethad actually insinuated that his
present Majesty was not sinolnellt anactud.to the Pruttitant eon- 1
.notion of the country—(Cries of "..No, no.") 'Nutwithstand ag
the ;duo( No, no, Int wadld ing. it to the HOMO! whether such a
reflection had not been cut upon his Majesty.' The fact was. if it
were not for the alarm which had, been excited by the meeting 4
the Crown and Anchor, die' Prosaic Petition. would lave never
peen gut up; and with as it iris, hi minted to say three -tout*
of the names attached to it were surreptitiously obtained ; It was
impossible that the names attached to it could be tmpectable. !It ,
was in consequence of the pro.erit'retition that the Corporation of
London bad !sit it their duty to express their contidsnat in his
slajestv's Goer-foment ; and he took upon himself to say, that the
prevent Nikko was ahnuatthe sole cause art the resolution of the
CurOretioh. of London, •. , . . - I
, • • Alt. HUSKISSON .aid that he witnessed with great pain the
waste of thus whicii had taken piece In the discussion of. and ohs
fictions to, , Petition,.. He wee one of these who should always
recifite with teat ins nth's) the Petitions of the people of Engianti,
and be could nut help 'saying that there was an mum 'weary dere,
af severity and criticism practised towards many art the Pentium
which had hiva laid co the table. Hr could nor help üb•ereitig,
Out ifiWitorthit Alderman iiinfinetre innecessary remarks apes , 1
pre,ehi. Petition,. • . • . . '
dot%feat* gra hil.,111V4141;11; laid that the peaks who had *owl ,
tesb lietlutitaii Preiantiht if it m,, and whom the Hon. Abloom
Sid deiceibesi as fooliamil iiti, Were runtime-no( the bight*
respectability; educating - intelligence.
hirtArdesmast.WAlXJA AN espalier& He only meant to
say that the plaehrilliontia...Were such as .woiiii4 !sly attract the
aliGenenerdti" 401M611.41.211A.N11iiid :we doubt but the wonjif Narrows
bad consltitrithlii elipeoletitkiti getting up petitions. and woe there.
gore Sood.ontinstkianwich Matters ; but he would ash it the Hun.
Alderman had illueveradany names attached to the ethics, who
were nut authitelaid thaisnitr
Dir. P. THOIteSON Protested against the petition Wee "11.
ad"Cd as solosowndnfl the opinions of the people of Ludo), at d
in support of his mews he woald remind the House that three out
aloes of the Members. foe London were favourable to Csatelie
Claims.. : . . . . . .
• Mr. Alderassit W 00.1) said. be was not disposed to men abase
the way in which reddens were gm op; but be could not allow
Itpupresetitat
a,mosimsepportain.iasty
wtohipcaistatt,wwitheas LisagyediosithhaattthethetipLitio:nt:
Satablishnient were owe hi danger than the Establishment Met
Sir a.- INGLIS maid dila every:care had bean takes to get WAY
Poorer Winettwes, and be. was sure that the names were in rant
such. It nin•l4 b
ete
that a large majority ofthetentssiwidos
DI louden wet* attached to the petition.
Mr. A. BASING said the rewire was couplet* an imt=
it did not, he affirmed, represent the feelings of the papist,
• 'lllr.-HODHOUSE asserted, that in no sense could the petition
'tie consideted as the petition of the bousebolders of. London and
Weitminster. .He was ready to state, that if the poopleof West
rapider were hostile to Emancipation, he was not a at represent*.
livitorthitn. He was sure that Ho constituents would not twain!
.elfigt Mtn few Ithopinioni.
`:.:;,-1-111/1 Petition was dieu brought to the table by two Messengers
Si the ittiefe ' -
-saltifr: C. FACIA= said that the petition was all k_purs I
Petted tobe,tbe petitiewof the inhabitants of London ad Wen-
„inhister.—The Petition Was then laid on the table.

- keutare antLutio ralsaimpana.
eni•s...PFI,L Moved 41i-OE4er yf AK day for the snood radios
0. toot DUI resting W dryloalifieradia of the freeboideri kdaad.
L rd DUNCAN UN was afraid that many of his
filends would thissklinn guilty of mach inconsistency
'rn er.p4s6.:ing a Otairlarilt in many tespects•was situ

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to one which be had supported In 1825. The posture
of affairs in Ireland, however, mai low widely dif-
ferent to what it was at that time, and it was upon that
ground that he could not no* give his unqualified con-
sent. The measure of Catholic Emancipation, upoa
certain conditions to be observed by the Catholics,
was aow likely to pass, and with this, it was said, the
Irish people ought to be contented. One of the con-
ditions. however, upon which it was to be granted
would be the deprivation of one of their most cherished
privileges—the disfranchisement of the forty :billing
freeholders. Mach opposition, he thought, would be
shown by the people to: such a measure, and, for hi.
own part, he did not see that it would have the effect
of preventing the fraud which bad been complained of
in the election of lash Members. The Catholic Clergy,
who were now acquaiwed with what had taken place in
that House, would endeavour to incite the people to
tesist the disfranchisement of the forty shilling free-
bolder:ond much confusion would most probably ensue..
&very Gentleman was, no doubt, well *acquainted with
What occurred at Waterford some time since. and he
thought he was justified in stating that this penal
enactment would not now have been brought for watt,
by the Right Hon.Genilernan if it had not been for what
occurred at that time. That Rt. Hon. tient. said that he
considered the disfranchisement of this freehold would
tend to the improvement and tranqu Ilisstion of Ireland.
He did not think that the Right Honourable Gentleman,
or the Learned Gentlenian who bad drawn up the Bill,
were aware th it the measure, it carried into effect,would
be the means of ruining many holiest familier. He had
beard with some surprise ass H or. Friend of his, when,
be presented a Petition yesterday, state that he con-
siuered this as matter of reform. He was quite cor..
•fident that that Honourable Gentleman dideot know
what the use state of the 40s. fteeitolders really was.—•-
It appeared to be a gereral impression upon the mind of
the House that the forty shilling freeholders were ad
corrupt voters. He begged to say that if they did cute,-
fain such an idea it was an exceedingly erroneous one.,
He felt convinced that those who were favourable to.
the disfranchisement did not in the slightest degree.
know what they were going to do. They believed that
the forty shilling freeholders were the mere "slaves and'
vassals ut the landholders. It was said by an Honour.
sable Member who haJ lately visited Ireland, that upon
examination be fount that the forty shilling treehdldets
were so extremely ignorant that nineteen out of twenty
of diem wee unable. to write their names. He ado
*tined that that was the case in the mountain disc
trios, bat in other parts of the cou::try they were,
compsratively speaking, well educated. It was not.
Mc intention to divide. the House upon this second
vending of the Bill, but at the saline time he was anxious
that some measure should be taken to prevent the
fraudulent registry of 'the tiorty•shillmg Freeholders,
winch he conceived to be the only real evil to be cor-
rected. He should therefore move, in a future Stage of
the Bill, that it should be referred to a Committee to
consider whether the Bill might not be so framed as to
prevent a fraudulent and fictitious registry of electors.
And this, he thought, would be attended with more
*real benefit to thecountry than the disfranchisement of
the Forty-shilling Freeholders could possibly be.-
Mr. AGAR ELLIS expressed his entire concurrence
in the proposed measure of, disfranchisement. He be'
lived from the buttons of his, soul that the measure
would tend m: ch to the increase of the population and
to the alleviation of much misery in Ireland. The orera-
tion of this frenchise had been to injure the property of
the landlords, and. to create many misunderstandings:
between them and:their cenarite• He begged. it ts be
understood, however, when he gave his unqualified cost j.
sent to the measure. that is nsould aver have dune in '
bad it not been i6Ccallif44oo,llaqksiti.gteat measurnil
linsaueipat.o s. That was now about to be granted. and
be, for one, mould, therefore. be happy to see the 40...
frabchise put an end .to. In short. he felt coevuiced
that if it were showed to exist after the Emancipation
had been granted, that Ireland could weer be &happy,
a prosperous, or a peaceable land.
Mrs- BROWNLOW bad much Lather but abstained
from entering into any discussicmopon' this subject, bat
be thought be should not be doing Isis duty
sit he did
not. Offer en opinion upon it. He would at once say,
that he should lend his hearty support to the second
reading of this Bill. In doing so be begged 'it to be
understood that he d:d not- mean to pledge himself as
being of opinion that a tie pound freehold was the best
qualification of the elective franchise of Ireland, but
because he considered tb a a very great alteration might
be made is the laws respecting that country.He was con-
vinced that the 40s. franchise gave rise to every *species
of fraud, vhile the unfortunate freeholders were com-
pelled to perjure themselves to oblige their lanallor ds.—
had been said that emancipation would
.be dearly
pirebased if the forty shilling franchise were abolohed,
and that it would be better tv wait for a year or two,:
whea it was supposed chat Eutancipatioa must bAlcaeted •
without any prori.ion whatever. For Iris OWIS part he
/Hr. Brownlow) wood not wait one year, beeiruse, by so.
wetting. England and Ireland might be rent is twain.
He, therefore, was certainly dispo.ed to adopt this mea
sure. He would do esti (if it might be so called)
that go :d might anounal.' f3i tbilligh it was a me.,
sure Melt cslerilased k) the prewint isecraciia
Ireland. He thought u *A> a Iliatlsare wets (a:cell:dad io
meet many ef the evils shah newer: aced inleeimed.Wbew
he said a I this in •f fenny of the tneesete, he widistst.oo
be understood that he should not have dime so hatli
trot been evident that the pail of Catholic etnanifplos'
non would accompany it. A great many of the eie
tious which bad been presented to the Ignsistr:
prayed for as al:smatters in the elective francinieot Iraen
Is .0, and prayed the Legislatine totals such ineasoreit
as to remote the valets from the hands of the prat*
and to place them iii, what he considered not ma'
brute, the bands of the landlord.. He did not cancer►
i toe second reefing of this Bill to take the voters of
Ireland out of the hands of the priests to replace theta in
those of their landlords. If that was the intention of
the Bail, ireframen had batter at once avow it, and',
give the landlord the sole rigist of voting at once. *He
must differ from the Han. Member who approved
the measure, because it mak the votes out of the Itandi
and influence of the Catholic priesthood. . Now. Its
smart declaim. as an Irishman, and as all observer of the
scerwi that bad lately talon place is Ireland, that dui
minds of t..ose Members of the HON.. WSW Me*
abused who thoraglst that the freeholders of Ire
wire led by their psiestbood.—(Hear, bear. Now, k
deified the fact altogether. Historians who in futon
times should wake AMU thessents which bed WA to
,46,e glorious accomplishment of this great measure*
-mid who would WI that it was inasearait the priest •
hood, would prove thesnebees very short sighed.
charge had been repeatedly. nude, bath wakt VirSiar
and bad arm been proved. The freeholierihadriad,
meioses, weanght up to eatimiasse by.geirminsir andl
a sense of injury. They were unnatuvan eimmiont,sust
as as the cause was tains asap dis wire would.
:clam rider the iefluence of their landlordli, at they
'ere between 1788 aqd 18E4 when they were (Mien'
into die comity town sad pot hal the pound', OW *or

landlord called upon them to do their duty. F.ir these
reasons it was that he ►hould vote for the secand read-
ing of the Dill before thpas.
Lord DECTIVE hoped that the cloud which.ehis sill
would cast over'the joy occasioned by the other would
be but transitory. The pages of.bistory would record
the Right Hon. Gentlemen who had iotryduced the
measure into this House as a man who preferred bis
country's interest to his own. He should consider bias-

self doubly ungrateful were he to oppose one single,
obstacle to the measure now in progress, because he
thought one Bill could not be car riga without the other:'
For that reason it was that he could conscientiously vote'
for the present Bill. • '
Mr. LITTLETON felt anxious to say a few words'
OR tilt present Bill, as he bad introduced one something
similar in 1895. He considered this Bill as calculated
to afford the Protestants a solid and substantial security,
whilst it could not be objected to by tbtCathnlics, as it'
applied equally to Protestants and Catholics. All think=
ing men must rejoice in the repeal of the Act of 1793.
which had operated to the ruin of many landed propose.
tots of Ireland and the degradation of the population of
that country. The landed proprietors were themselves
so conscious of the evils of the present system that they
were anxious to ablution it, and only wanted a genet al
law to compel them. With respect to the small flee-
holders themselves, they we're quite indifferent as to the,
measure. But what rendered the present measure J.aubly
valuable was, that it could not be carried into effect
without greatly improving the condition of Protestant
interest in Ireland. Sir L. Parsoiii, in 1793, had pio•
.phesied in the Irish Parliament all the evil effects of the
Act then passed. The only difference between the pre-
sets; measure and 'that be propose I in 182.5, for putting
en end to .these evils, was, that his was prospective.
He made it prospective with a view to conciliate as
Mall persons as possible, because it was attached to a
measure the success of ihich was doubtful; whereas
this Bill was attached to a measure the success of
which was certain. This only rendered it necessary,
therefore, for the Right Honourable Gestlemon to pass
his measure of security as quick' as he could. Let
Honourable Members who oppo,esi this measure reflect
upon the means the people of Ireland possessed in this
franchise to counteract the Government. Let . Hon.
Members, in reviewing what had taken place list' year,
My whether. Protestant interests were ever in so much
danger as' they then were? He gave. his hearv. eon.
c.uri mice to this measure, because he was convinced that
neither of the two could pass alone without set ious evils
arising; in the one case we should have rebellion, and
'in the other Catholic ascendancy. Let them seise this
' golden opportunity for reaping.the halves' of all their
toils—(Hear, heal). .
Mr. V. STUART trusted that opposition' to the Bill
would not be pressed to a division; it it were, however
be mast adhere to the determination he bad. expressed,
of giving his confidence and support to the _Bill on ac-
count of the other measure. He • might, in so doing,
sacrifice a past of the popularity which he imagined he
'possessed, but be could not. forget. that thegieat body
of his constituency returned him to. defend the .great
principle of religious liberty. 'lt he forgot that great
cause he should be li.tle less than a traitor to the con-
fidence reposed in him, and the duty he had to perfoi tn.
The 40s. lieelioldels, however, had nob', and ably done
their dory. They had been previously taunted *al slaves
—as persons driven . in packs at the will of their land-
lords; but they, had shown that bribes
.couldfuei;
delude them, and that threats could not awe them_
He die ned it eight t!r say thus much injustice to thews;
audits lamented that it tsar-deemed right to apply this
measure to them to secure the other. aarldtlioir haVlng
been led by
.their Priests, it was not so; the fact swaaf
untruly represented; it was true enough that many of
them had acted with the hints, and why ? . Because
both parties wet e aggrieved, and tt:ey united to get their
wrongs red essed. With respect to the main corm.tion
before the House, as the reihee-nrasure a as made de-
peodeat on this trill, he should' deers' it'tu be his duty
to give his support to the Billooa:complisti die greater
object. '
' Sir. HUSKISSON felt as'striingly as any man. the.
..
necessity of carrying this measuie by a triumphant and
decisive majority, but be could not.-sea the ground of
isseparability in which the two measures before them'
were placed. Yet it had been stated in the*HoUse,
_in
a manner n• t to be misunderstood, that if this'hipasure
did not pass the other should not. lie must protesi
'afaitist the doctrine that had been laid down by some
hon. Members, that it was a Pailiamentary way cf'dis-
cussing onegreat question, that they sh,,uld be on'cler.a
di torct obligation not to make any alteration, in ale-
titer unless they were prepared to s.crifice the first.--%.•
If Ireland had.never enjoyed any elective franchise, 'W
this had been the first time they &cussed the prriplie,iy,
of giving the Irish- an civet* franchise, he S110(11444;
in the abstract, object to ten pound. bei 1g fixed as Ittle
lowest point ; but they should remember. that cheeky-
tive trairchise in the Irish coulties had been thetartsji
as in the English cosinitimiltir three buftdrid years,. dr
'English el, cove franciiiie having been • au:flitted to INK
land only a century 'after it:hacf been establisLed its
Euitland. 'He thought that.takirit awilip ptiell•ge
that had been so long enjoys] was only tine dogivo.loat
a violation of right than tame' away a Ttois property
Tins was the priirioir in a hieltdie)tcdrep his or Pad: 1
tielltas warranted in asset tiag, this VMS.* fieeboldllgtf4l',
lien only'to the riabi oaf property;of 'eshiCh; inttekla
turd a pint. k-might be said that this rightisies..Mortt
*meat is Ireland than in rtiiirsird, and such perhaps,,
was the tact ; but was it not the duty ortlie Himself's.
sett ria:ramedy that abuse before they. rook away the prs
vikege?;Who would have ihougio of. dealini. in Utah a
• Mairoir with the elect; eef• anclu se sil England ?Hr would
iiit any Member of the House whether they could con •
ewe a case in. England in' which, 10ud.% ..t of.see*ing to
eertect the' abuse., they should at oocadeprive a people
of their franchise? He-had uo heWtation in saying that
such a plan Would never bait been contemplated with
reference to any country but Ireland; and to 'lreland
only, because of the peculiar situation in which she now
stood. In many counties of England, and particularly.
in Lantashire, persons make such purchises as those
that were made iu Ireland for the purpose of procuring
as elective right; but who would thirst. of depriving
them of the right so purchased? For his part, he norm
Made consent to this i1ie.4913P15 which he not only cons'•
demi unjust towards Ireland,huteclangereusorrith *regard
tolleglancl, at establishing a precedent t hit mightbe/el-
lowed up: lie ippreliedared that intngland,wheepopu-
iaselostiess took place, a mush atom is.isabiavout system
tat yanrjoey took plate than rhos which might wet in
4-elsail, when a reran swore diet Ms freehold was worth
,H4l3s. a yeaFo-ao. Oath which he might take in 'Per-
pa ignoessam bolieviog that he was justified in calling
Ala. wank [any ebillings whichlui would not &valor a
less sum. Thrutesirel. eburte of events would- un-
daubtedly remove the Irvil44flat remoeahvould birgra-
dual, but as rapid; perhaps more rapid than was &sir-.
;aisle. Hi, shoselproi.diffeord altooethes from hiallight
Iffetsaiiimek with seArrance oti. this \wreasueel which he
loos*. wuttbt satiation' acts-of intustke shortanlylo
' at dve deeriestios of the freeholds thetnielves. 'He

'prote‘ted against the argument in favour dila,. Bill that
it oas not unpopular in Ireland. It was un artily of any
emeernMent to take advasstaget of a motto-fit at excite.
mint to deprive a wbelepiOple I a Valuable atid valued
tight. It was beyond the p: s.itetlity of doubt that the-
elective franchise was canaidcieJ an impos cant privilege
in that country, and that the surrender ..1 it would i.,
time be deeply deplareJf. He would give the measure,
thesefore, his strangest opposition, as much as be would
support the other sneascire—the measure of Ramos Ca'
tholic relief. He had stated much less ,strongly than
he felt his objections to this measure. It it were a mea-
sure merely inconvenient, or merely inflicting hardships
-on a people, •provided that hardship fuji short of
absolute injustice, he would support it, fir the purpose
of forwarding that other and more important measure;
but,lookiug upon it as he did, as being a measure equally
unjust, dangerous, and mischievous, he could not but
oppose it by eve, y means in his power. If it were pto•
posed to makethisineasure prospectively only, and if he
were convinced that the two measures were in.cparably
connected;. bis objections would not be urged; but in
this light be could not consider it. Under all circum-
stances, the safest mode for him to pu sue was to abstain
from vutiog upon. this m -aeure at all. He did not,
,however, suggest this mode to any other Hon. Mem-
ber, and would content himself with having made this
declaration of his sentiments. '

Mr. DOHEICTY had never heard a speech which
had so utterly astorrisbid him as that of the Right I lonnurable Gelb.
demur wbordr: just addressed the 'louse. lie (Mr. Doherty)
bad not into to speak upon this que.tisa, but to leave it to be
discussed by those more intimately acquainted with the nature of
the forty.shilling frethold*rt of helm& lie had beard with un-
feigried .delight the observation, of the Ilunourable Member fur
Waterfordimbo had, in tbe most manly and generous manner, eon.
milted/Is, stake g sacrifice for the purpose of forwarding that other
important .snemure In which be was 60 deeply interested. U the'
sqtrearnisbuesskf the Honourable Member for Liverpool arose only
r from sympath, with the Irish frethollers, be might make his mind
perfectly easy epos' the point. Dug surely tb's alteration of the
elective franchise was by mt menus a system proposed for the first
time. In I..:ngland, as well as in Ireland, such a plan bad been
heretofore resorted tO; and not only h..d the right. of elictors, but
elected, been restricted by• Parliament. The ltight Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Iluskisson) after voting for a similar m in
lbe year now nut only entertained doubts on the subject, but
. characterised it as grossly unjust ; but •he (Mr. Doherty) would
remind the Right iiritionrahle Gentleman and the [louse, that
without this measure the other and far greater mem/e could not be
carried • arid he implored the•itight Hort. Gentlem in to take tint*
to cooddet, before he refuted his vote in support of the measure
now before the Douse.

HUSSKISSON explained. la voting for the Bill of 1825,
he considered it merely as a prospective measure, and if it were
new made prospective merely, beletuld support it.
Sir THOMAS GbOCIL in reply to an assertion that the in-
Serve of the Priests was a perfect muckery.would say, that if such
Were the case, it was an au of growinJustice to take away the
elective franchise. But although hostile to both the measures in
progress through the How*, be admitted the importance of lessen.
lug the power of the Priest. in Ireland. If the Noble Lord thought
proper to press the House to a division, he (Sir T. Gooch) would
renal* vote with btm.
- kr. S. WORtI;RT looked on It as a sweeping measure of Par-
liamentary Reform, and by no means called for —but on account of
the other greatzueasure, he had made up his mind to support this.

Lord F. L. 00WERiselkyld that this measure was supported
by those who best knew the interests Of Ireand. From letters
which Imbed lately received fiom different parts of Ireland, he
had the strongest reason to know that this measuib wool* give
satiefaedon to those who had• the interest of Ireland most at heart,
Mr. C. ,GRA NT felt much pain in differing from his Right I
Houourable Friend (NU. Hushisson,) het be confessed that he did
not like the questirii. Me was sorry that the House was brought
into sugh a dilemma ;bet rather than throw any impedimentin the,
.way of the all-important measure that_ was to accompany it; be
would give it lits support. • .

a few words-in support of the measure.
iIIro•AtIERCRONSBY looted for the oseature brought forw,sr4
IwlSts,put subsequent events hsa chsuged his opiaionson the po-
liei'of shell i tosirsi.- • : ; .
:.• .111-riSANXESiaid there Irma lel_ ions society Z.
-tending itself of late bith here and in Ireland, 1 f which
m.ciety the -principle .was: .that the end justified the
mianss raad'r the end Sias gto.s.l,lba there ouytht to be
no great .I;Ciiiii* irt•prt the mode of Ac::omplishing it.
‘le,slid not Iltanso,l4 .ther. or not ih'. principle was
st,crobe.l
'to the. society (the Jesuits) t.i which le.
Audi* fur Mi. part,
.hosiver, he did sot think it
wt7uld-lie NM' tie (to eyed a .itt!e evil fit a great
:of good. 7 The Hundniehle Member said he
ihoutd hate no difficulty in consenting to the flea-
use if it hal been made uto.ipe ctive; but when His
Majesty's G..reer.iment brought on a 14x11 to di,franchise
a.poissalation if the caeretie of their sight, he consi.
bleed it a JIM of penal ies and spotistion. It might
by'pessitsility prove be,:afiziaf, arid remain in force for
a Wort lime, b. t it would ulttenately set the country
again in a.fianre. 84 long as she 40s. irreholders•
Itoesi their landl4ds there tits* no complaint; but it
nab said Ureic unfortunate men ought be disfranchised
int following. the particular directions of their priests.
Whit wis the d Inger front the eibting state of things?
The • umber .of 40s. freelloWeraAssc.tej alarm. It was
th. uAlot their number of Ir.9es would increa e, but it
Appeared tin the eviJence th:t l'•nstiord: lied feat theist.
convenience of subdit laud: The practice hail
decreased. There.iould he a gradu .1 dintin.ition by
tbedal.ingoff oil loves..The.llon. Member voted against
thciutesgise unit former occasion +s •-u abfli4tAki:a•
stirl,'a fie is,ouldv..-e- aguinsr the Bill. under. con.
.iderattw, shoirld not disit4 the' House, isicao•e
numbers wise egai;ist
EfORATTAN sati this- was not the di.fian-
:cliiiemealt4 the lioohit efeetoti esf Grempound. and
t'oirr yn, Other. Cur r upi °sighs but the ofislran
cht.ernenit of* whale p upu lilt 10n. Itinquiry be
made intelhe eaertise -ol• the *Witte franchiinin
county of. (ayan,. and county at Drnfin, tt [[gold
appearthit this n.as a. mud unjust n,eassrir. 44..404
not coothatot• to sh-ptive- his couutry, cot. their *Wyk.
anchise"..• • That right did pot depend: on polittcal es-
vadielocr; but the right's uloichtlljr and :satin* gave
them wheu they came in!? the we.rld. Ii was said they.
ores[ tour one .measure or the other. He dial
aot•s • adisthantine bond by which:the two me*,
sorts itete Made' indisiblible. He would, Consider
aria ask atij Hiitioiti able Monber whetter it was
!mown, what they were doing? There were no leis
than 224.000 freeholders, and of that number there
were 78,000 forty shilling freeholders—Meal). Those
individuals skink' be disfranchised... It Was said they
would betaken out of the hands of the Priests, but in
Cavan trod other counties the Priests had never inter-
fered.' At Clare7B electors a ere brought up by a Roman
CatholiC Cletgyman to vote for his ft iend. They were
told that they were doing wrong, and they faced about
and to:ed against the person they were brought to vote
for., The Honourable Member regretted that the mea-
Awe hadlein blotight forward. He considered it un-
Coostitationali and contended that it could not be sup-
ported by evidence. •It was a cruel and painful situa-
flod'in *Mather were placed.- -They stioston a pre-
cipice, and be knew there were hinds ready to push
them from it to perdition. He should endeavour to
steer that course that would lead hint from the danger.
Mr.-CHARLES W. WYNN said that, if the met-,

:Are had 4004 upon its own merits, and unconnected
with the Relief.Bilt—if it had been proposed lifer the
Belief Bill had been pissed—he-should han voted for
the consideration of it. How mach more should Isethen
be,disposed'to support it when he thought it would

;,

promote a infirm* which he had been *minas fa.r fan.
the last 30 yr* I. On all great meatnre, it was necrt.
s btfin enter hap some dcg.ee of comptomites and Ise
sha.uld,heefiite'sdrPoit the Cretent me4suacs but he
dad not totj —*ilk his 41talt. F. tend 014 this ine4.Utt
would be productive. of rail tat the coubrry....4le *At

o •posed in general t•s any intetfe enct w ith the elective
franchise; but no this gliesti,4l he was acainias to repose
the fullest confidence in the Ministry. They had many
cliffi.culties to contend with, and he would not throw
any addition.il ohitacle in their way.

Lord PALMERSTON saidhe rosemith pairr to di,.
sent from Government on the Bill hetet!. the House ; but feeling
an insurmountable objection to it on the ground that kens unjust,
be shothd express his opinion. The sio.#4l osierblielf it''had been
introduced would not deter bins from Tinton. It was said if
unction Parliament did not BM, t other tip e'Veruld
sink. The Noble lied could net understand that they bad entered
into a bargain with Government upset the subject._ If *as said
this Sill Was to he the price of Emancipation, but his Majesty's
Speech told them that the price was petting down the Cade
Association. The Catholics complained df injuries which *elev.
be redressed, and he could not believe, if they differed upon the
fails of the me lien under tonsiderjition, th it Gojernmesit
would turn round and withhold from the Catholic* the Miter they
had bestowed. They would hot blight the hopes cat Ireland by
!ejecting a measlier wfilils we, tetranquillire that country. 'lke
Noble Lord thought ibe freeholders had aced magnanknowly in
disobeying their landlords. It was said this meager, was toe the
benefit of the landlord*, end that Gevetninem Mu t stip in weft,.
diem. This was liberal. Thee* was efillseernmentio our."pe
Which used a sort of parental infilience suer propel-Iy, hut be
should leave tie keidlord to manage fils_ohn affaira. lie Jib 'nut
believe that landlords were in the habit et dividing Stele lindaa
On the contrary, he was apprehensive the practice was 'Ai oilier.
way. Fur mine time three had been a practice in Ireland of isKat
was called thinning the population, in consequence of which tuatiy
were led to emigrate and'suffer distress. The remedy floc there".
abuses in the franchise was to be forty shilling yeomanry, but case
would not do. In a country file Ireland, where the tanner..pne.
sets but little capital, it was idle to suppose that an arbitrary aet •
would Lad to the ciimulidaiion of farms. In Most, it way to
suppose that any adVainage could counterbalance a restate let of.
injustice. His wish was, that Government would correct abu4e
In Ireland by other miens than disfranchisement. •
Mr. Secretary PEEL—fie would nnly trouble the
House with a few otpettratims, sad he wi.ulJ prefdre
them by declas ing his cordial emit urt elite in the
...Con of his Hight HMI. Friend opposite, that although
the general rule of the House was, is consider •eveny
qiiestion abstractedly, and on its own separate met its, yet
that there west times when 'meat objects were to be
achieved, and when such questi ns could only lie c
i.leiettott the principle of 'mutual compronisse. Rigidly
taken, the observation was tsae with respect to every:
clause of every Bill —each eught to be viewed in its:
own tight, and valued by its own melitS; but if
this coarse were invariaisty pa sued, what would be
the ultimate issue? That the common course of.legis."
lotion must constantly be departed from, and in OW.
out of ten, caves of close adherence to abstratt metity
•
greater advantages must be telinquislied. What courts •
had the limas, of Commons pr•rsul.l with regeid 'to"
the Bill repealing the Sacramenial Te.ts? •Ir efas
sent up to the Lords in-One firin and retort* dI . .
tt
another ; but it wai adopted its site e I tint, e. he-
cause it was thought better to accept the tepee!, atoll
to risk that object by disputes as to the particular
tnodt of acc implishing it. If ever there was a' In .m ore
a departure from rigid rule and a sacii6cersi•
individual opinion, it was now under consideration. He
could not Mite, with sufficient stredj;th and warmth, tits
admiration of the magnanimous conduct of the.. Hon..
Member for Witerford..who was ready tt. Ora': a gtv.at.
per sonal sac. ifice that he might Coi.kra l el in «relit ben*
lit. Mote any man determined to ttiect ts.i• Ilia; lie of.:
treated him to to k hack .at" the cb'urse I f •
. .
proceeding, and to rift ct upon t4e. e #lustt
obstructed the settlement of the Calli.ilic Q
1.44 Session tins House had divided in far aver a
Resolution which icosid :nor- II? 'caroled -into sat tr.
tion, b cense. the • two patties were io neatly. bareired,
In the House ut Linda, that Resolution, not "deed
Rill, was-;ejected by a amjority of foity.6ve,-411r;
Ciulj the Rulnan Catholics then ob Ain rn ezl act 'ds•
aptly what they wanted, and precisely upon t: eir Oita
terms? Would not their friends, for an object described as Pare.
mount to all utheis, commit to some sacrifice; or would tilue,rm.
ject concession because it was -accompanied with motioning that
was not a rigid adherence to the mine principle? Were hth Wars
prepared to proceed upon the clerk understanding of mutual sae
triflers fur the sake of settling this lung pending ques ? ills
Noble Friend who spoke last bad said that the Session hid been
commenced by compromise, and ht had referred to the lhlj fee the
Suppression of the Catholic Association. If it bad been the ground of
his Noble Friend's vote that something was to be Oven for the great
good of *et ring theC.atholic queer, ti at rest,he female? reeteNsed the
principle of compromise. There was an end, then, of the argument
founded upon mutual sacrifices. Ills Noble
_Freud bail asserted.
that what was held out as as equivaleii for that •Supteesion 1511
was unvialified concession. tie I .)Jr.• Peel) denied it. lie, and
those who acted with him, bid held oat the promise not of tie-
qualified concession; but of adjusting the qu. anon on safe and with-
factoey grounds. He begged the Douse to look at the difficulties
is which the. Governmerit was placed. On the one side,,it was
charged that the el-log.4lmi in the Speech front the Thtenit
was not kept, because the propowd Hill Bete reselfe of PIO&
leges without curreepouiling securities. tat.: the mbar a.m. his
' Noble Friend urged that Ministers, by she ;Aeration of the
franchise, were duninlihing the measure of 'reSeff 'Dome' moo
uppieite a.aertiutis showed the -d.theulty which ;mediator had to
overcome wpm be evi.h.deo *misty 6.1 parties, asid-ieciewilie tee.
nickel opiensius—(lieu, bear). *He hoped' bet had Neter pat
forwent the proposed connitomise is the form of science., tole
object. had been to and out specious pretests for settlMS the ques-
tion, in order that be toiled remain in office; but having enifiarked
ism the. undertaking. to • ges through With it, snit to complete-the
measure. Sure be was that be allied for the cortseneorthe Eloise
to the Disfranchisement llill in no menacing tone or Manure: be
had never said that nisi. were !ejected the other Bill at dunces-
shoo would be abandoned by the'Xing's Government ;•'lit r the
same time be must my, that he eisnsider.d thepaidkig-Of (Mr! Bill
new under coelidaratioo- &voted. to the prosperity of Its dais-
patios—Meer, )sear). Ih sort those who sigedliias 11. d. not
inserted .so the enealuite fee Conieseion ariy restriettisolis Under
the name of secerritimeileelhier he had Mobilo is Mitre ere brrt4t
,lot to eloriagwilh forma which Protestemachought at • no.velee,
and in which Catholics-wet* 'unwilling so eequieece. Toe
therefore,, did not pet/m*ll.lpol' the :petelphe of insautini re.
esasieseiethe leglifmate exe=rcise. cif the Roman Catholic Re 1..
gine ; but the principle id Mr,,, eation, ant -Shed. Plunkertianil,
:above all, of 'Mr.' eatlefeet, de T found in itsseljae of tO:litript It
as far as possible cuistarwry dad conciliatoriely all pin hie....
itthe proposal had beeneweels, Jpr unquolitied. Emanrijiationt_it
might have been. fairly midi that' Use iMportant sublett of the
eketiverranehhe had bee, motioned, and the 'BIS- Might s
love beets endangered. Ica 1845 the elective franclike waspt t
forgotten; circumstances, lideed, Lad scr changed. (fit troy teen
would be justified in altering- the opinion be had sett given;
but why was it fit now to omit, hi 1829, what in Illats had been so
well remembered? It had been observed. bolt tie measure 01499
was of a totally different character to that of 1825; aid be only
noticed the remark in order to sot Hpneur.ible Members right
upon this point. The Bill of 1845 was befit skilfully" dtaten, tat
it was, nevertheless, a complete disqualification:of the . xisdog free-
holders. for all wherload stained to resider were positively dlstrtn-
tidied. Yet what warning Maas then given, or contended that It meht
to be. given to the pause. that they might go. through the NM
which onlporicishl -entitle them to vote? What a cuischkiveaig. -
merit, sot merely for the purpose of popular impreedoe, Met ii r
the purpose bf convincing my reatsmable man on she sohket rf rte
electivetranthise,, was to be found in the volume of Cailiclie Ey -
dente taken in 11125—kuthan Catholics, otitis bleier re:Peetabl he,
interested in the welfare of (relied, had given It settled Most 4r-
eidesl.opinioo that the amount of the franchise ought to be raised.
Mr. Blake had admitted without scruple the power sod hide Ice
of the Pike° and that the raisitijef thefranthie was sterna:l to
the Peace of Ireland.' Mr. O'Conoele in mimetic* to the mime
point, bad said nearly the same thing, and bad added that amide
and perjury 'skull. and that the freeholders, in some caws, were
irked upon almost as part of the live stuck of the estate. "The
wwoubolkie ocirbelastemiladensiteebowaseitiant torsheomowaintribatibto mlr=tbe,
i franchise
rid:l4.
to MO body of testimony. it was but fair to_tuentian, their Elm .11
Catholic was a party to the measure of relief

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