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the whole country into confusion. In the case of the
Officers paid by poundage, a reduction had been
Made to the amount of twenty-five per cent. and a
further reduction.was impossible. He would cordially
support the Resolutions proposed to the Committee.
Mr. BROUGHAM explained. He denied that he
had recommended the vexatious system of the Ex-
cise Laws.
Mr. SMYTHE (of Cambridge) deprecated the idea
of adding to the burthens of the country, by any ad-
ditional taxes. The Members of the Finance Com-
mittee had done nothing effectual in their corporate
capacity, however respectable they might be as indi-
viduals. He thought a considerable saving might be
made in the expenditure of the country, particularly
in what was connected with the Army. Commis-
sioners appointed by, and responsible to, the House,
should inquire into the expenditure of all lie branches
of the revenue.
Mr. C. CALVERT rose, amidst loud cries of ques-
tion. He said, that some unjust imputations had
been thrown out against Gentlemen engaged in the
brewing trade. He should not then trouble the House
with any minute calculations on this question. But
he pledged himself, that whenever the taxa are
to be discussed in the Committee, he should be able
to prove that the profits of the brewers fell very far
short of those which had been stated.

Mr. SCARLETI' observed, that the question was,
not whether the nation was now most able to bear
an increase of taxation, but whether any positive ne-
cessity existed for such increase ? Was then the esta-
blishment of a Sinking I'un,cl such a necessity ? It
would be presumption in a man of his pursuits to at-
tempt to argue this point at any length, and with any
pretension of ability to make the matter more intel-
ligible to the Committee than it might be at present,
but perhaps he might be allowed shortly to express
his individual opinion—(Hear, keel-)-11e thought
that such an institution as a Sinking Fund was good
and advantageous during a war, but he was one of
those who thought that during peace its advantages
were exceedingly problematical. His Right Hon.
Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had forgot
to state, that Mr. Pitt had declared, that if the Sink-
ing Fund should rise to four millions, it ought to come
before Parliament, who might deliberate on the
propriety of applying it to the remission of taxes.—
It was true, indeed, that at the time of the short truce
in 1802, when Mr. Pitt acceded to the Ministry, he
had not thought it safe to touch the Sinking Fund ;
doubtless because he believed that in the future peace,
after the then approaching war, it would be the duty
of the Government to remit the Property Tax and
other war taxes, and then the Sinking Fund might
be usefully available.—(llear.) In relation to the
13,000,000 of additional taxes, he might ask, what
was there in that sum that made it so peculiarly de-
lightful, that no amount either beyond or within
seemed for a moment worthy of desire or accept-
ance? The Chancellor of the Exchequer summissa
voce, and the Noble Lord in a louder strain, had de-
eared that they must have this sum or resign. What
did this mean? Simply this—that the Noble Lord
and his colleagues having discovered by the vote of
the other night, that they stood high in the favour of
the House, to the insolence of triumph, called for
another instance of confidence, and made it even a
point of honour that they should be allowed, with a
sweeping majority, to add £3,000,000 more of taxes
to a country already overwhelmed.—(llear.) This
fresh imposition on the people was to be the test of
the Hou.e's friendship for Ministers. If a foreign
enemy or any extraordinary exigency had threatened,
he would readily agree to a measure like the present;
but when the vigorous administration of the Noble
Lord had given us a peace which was to last GOD
lenii* how long, he could not consent to any augmen-
t:ll6lmi of our burdens..—(Near, hear.)
Totr. BANKES said, that if he thought the grant
of three millions unnecessary, he should vote in the
same way with the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last ;
but as he conceived the tneasure was indispensably
necessary, Ise should not.shrink from the responsibi-
lity of supporting such a Grant. With the exception
of the Learned Gentleman none had ever doubted
the utility of a Sinking .Fund in time of peace. For
hiniself, he was of opinion, that it was, in a great
ebeasure, owing to the Sinking Fund that the country
had came so triumphantly out of the great struggle
in which it had been so long engaged. Ceuld the
country support it, he would vote for the Grant of
one per cent. agreeably to the original plan of the
Sinking Fund. He hoped peace would continue
for a long time, but who could guarantee it even for
a single year, when it was recollected that, a short
time before the breaking out of the French war, Mr.
Pitt had predicted the continuance of a long peace ?
Mr. CANNING began by expressing his regret
that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) was
not in his place, as he should have been glad, before
he proceeded, to know how he intended to word his
Motion, in point of form ?—(Mr. BaoGDEN here
stated, that Mr. TIERNEY had withdrawn his infor-
mal notice of the previous question, for the more re-
gular one, that the Chairman do leave the Chair).—
Well, then, his Motion in substance seemed to be to
postpone or negative the proceedings of the Com-
mittee. Of one thing he (Mr. Canning) was confi-
dently clear, that the only certain way in which the
Committee could do its duty to the country was, not
to depart without coming to some definite conclusion
—(Hear, hear.)—The shuffling and evasive course of
the Right Honourable Gentleman shewed what was
kis real object. He had, throughout the Session,
whatever had been the subject of discussion indul-
ged in one continued taunt against the Ministers,
that they did not dare to look the financial state of
the country in the face. Hit had said, from time to
time, that they had no plan, no object, but tempo.
rary relief, and his whole language, when fairly in-
terpreted, was this-4, Come not (says he) with shifts
add expedients, look the distresses of the country
boldly in the face; dare to expose your imbecility
and nakedness to the scorn of your enemies, and the
curious gaze of the world : then! what then ?
will move to adjourn the Committee, and absolutely
refuse to deliberate on any mode for your relief.—
You will do your part in making a full disclosure of
the wants of the State, and this shall be your reward
—I will oppose all you recommend ; I will provide
substitute for your plan ; and as far as I am able,
will not let you know whether I will assist you or
ot." There might be two er more modes of relieving
distresses of the country; but this mode adopted

by the Right Hon. Gentleman, of calling for a Com-
mittee in order to record the urgent wants of the
State, and then to deny Ministers the means of ob-
taining any discussion cf a possible remedy, was of
all others the most extravagant and unintelligible.—
If a Ministry had acted so with respect to an Oppo-
sition, that would be bad enough : but in a Candidate
for the Ministry, who valued himself forsooth on his
frankness and sincerity, who was all openness and
disinterestedness—(a laugh)—such a proceeding was
the most whimsically contradictory that had ever
been engendered by the blunderings of party spirit.
(Loud cheering.) The House had a right to call upon
him to adopt the plan now proposed, tn- to suggest
some substitute : at any rate, if he left the inquiry
altogether, the House had a right to say to him—
Your demand for investigation has sprung from
mere idle curiosity, and not from any patriotic wish
to remedy the evil." Suppose the case somewhat
reversed—suppose the Ministers had not laid their
case fairly and fully before the Committee, what
would the Opposition 'have said then? Would not
each man in his district, and all their trumpeters in
the kingdom, have deafened us with exclamations.-
4, Why were we not chosen Ministers? how different
things would have been if we had governed the coun-
try ! Then you should have known your incumbrances
to the lowest mite—then we would have exposed
the utter hopelessness of your resources, and then
we would have left you precisely as you were."—..
Absurd as this was, it was a fair representation
of the conduct of the other side of the House...—
Their object had been merely to expose the nakedness
of the country, to throw discredit on the Minister;
and then, as far as they were concerned, they were
content to let the nation work out its salvation how
and when it could. His Honourable and Learned
Friend on the other side (Mr. Scariest) had expressed
himself with some indignation, as if Ministers had
brought forward this plan tonight in the mere inso-
lence of triumph, on account of their majority on a
late occasion; but he could assure his Leaned Friend,
and this not on the mere word of a Minister, but the
honour of a man, that long before that most injudi-
cious motion, which had been.so beneficial to the Mi-
nistry, had been discussed, it had been positively de-
termined to lay before the House 'the measure of to
night, to the precise extent in which it now lay be•
fore them, and to stand or fall by that measure. It
was not mere bravado to say that the strength of the
Administration distinctly rested on this question.
They were perfectly convinced that the measure now
proposed was absolutely necessary for the safety and
prosperity of the country ; and being so convinced,
the same motive which induced them to bring it for-
ward, and especially in a season of distress like the
present, must force them to leave their places unless
they carried it. This must be their Course, not as mat-
ter of taste and feeling, but of cotnmon prudence.—
It would have been much better for the purpose of
the Right Honourable Gentleman to have met this
proposition with a direct negative; because then, if
his opposition had been successful, it would have car-
ried with it an impression of the incapacity of Mi-
nisters—an impression which the Right Honourable
Gentleman was so anxious to make on the public
mind. The choice would then have been between
the present administration, with three millions of ad-
ditional taxes, and an administration composed of
the Gentlemen opposite without any new taxes : and
thus something would have been thrown into the
scale on their side. But the Right Honourable Gen-
' tleman had cautiously avoided holding out any pros-
pect to the country, that if he were in office he would
not be disposed to increase the taxes ; he had guarded
himself to this effect in the beginning, in the middle,
and at the end of his speech—" I am not against the
taxes, I only do not wish them to be hid on at this
time. In the heat of June, with long debates and late
houses, I am not able to take office; but in the cool
of February next, if I can get into office by that time,
I shall have no objections to vote the taxes which I
now refuse." The House knew, when Gentlemen
came into power from the other side, on what sweep-
ing principles they acted ; and he thought it not im-
probable, that if such a change were to take place,
those who were now satisfied with three millions of
taxes, might hear a proposition for raising five mil-
lions. The Right Hon. Gentleman should ratherhave
said he would have no taxes at all, and then as a none
taxing3linister he might have some claim to popularity.
The Right Honourable Gentleman, feeling himself
pressed by his conscience to say something about re-
trenchment, had given it as his opinion that a saving of
1,000,000 might be effected by a system of economy in
every department of the expenditure ; but although a
variety of measures far the reduction of the expendi-
ture had been discussed, he could not see any thing
approaching nearly to one million in all the proposals
for retrenchment which had been made by the Gen-
tlemkn opposite: he recollected, indeed, that a plan
for retrenchment in the collection of the revenue had
been suggested on the other side ; but " strait was
the path, and narrow was the way," that led to this
desirable object. In this Thermopylu were planted
three hundred Surveyors, and over their dead bodies
must the way to this retrenchment be forced. The
principle on which the present measure was founded
was, that in order to enable the country to emerge
from its internal difficulties, and to present an exter-
nal front to Europe, it was necessary to have a sur-
plus revenue operating as a Sinking Fund. He was
not competent to discuss the principle of a borrowing
Sinking Fund ; but he was convinced of the necessity
of an absolute surplus to do the business of such a
Fund. He was bound to give every Member of that
House credit for rectitude of motives; but if he had
at an earlier par, of the Session accused the Right
Honourable Gentleman of that inconsistency of prin-
ciple of which, on his own confession, he now stood
convicted----.

Mr. CALCRAFT here rose to order. He could
not listen in silence to the fbul, offensive, and almost
unparliamentary aspersions which the Right Hon.
Gentleman had pithd on his Right Hon. Friend, on
himself, and on all his friends around him. In the
course of his experience in that House, he hardly re-
collected having ever heard such unparliamentary
language as that in which the Right Hon. Gentle-
man began his speech. His Honourable Friends had
all stated that the country was at present in such a
situation that it could not boar any additional taxa-
tion ; they said, that they and their friends were not
against taxation, but that they wished the measure to
be postponed. And was there any thing so shocking
is this, as to warrant tkc epithets which had !swap-

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plied to them by the Right Honourable Gentleman?
(Hear, hesr)—epithets which, if not unparliamentary,
were at least satS uncivil, that they ought not to have
been used in debate—
Mr. CANNING here interrupted the Iloocrurable Gentle-
, man. He thought that in debate there was tolerably fair room
to give and to take ; and whenever the terms " indecent" and
",atrocious," which had been applied to this proposal. were re-
retracted, then, and not till then, should he retract the epithets
which he had applied to the conduct of the Gentlemen opposite.
( Loud cherry froirs the Ministerial side).
Mr. CALCRAFT went on. He had nothing to do with any
other person's expressions. If his Hon. Friend thought those
epithets applicable to the measure before the House, he bad a
right to use them.—(Here the question was called for by serene!
Members on the Ministerial side of the Ifortie.)—lf the House
would forget their duty, be would show them that he was not
unmindful of his, and that he would persist in giving the few
remarks which he had unexpectedly been called on to offer—
(Lund Cheers.)--He was aware that the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman was too splendid an orator for him to contend with, but
he hoped the House, in justice, wouldjgive him an opportunity
of repelling the aspersions which had been cast on him and his
Honourable Friends. He would, at the same time, since be
was on his legs, briefly state his view of the question. It might
perhaps be said, that ht was one of those who had goaded the
Administration on to the present disclosure of the state of the
country; but, admitting that he had urged • the necessity of
an inquiry, where was the pledge on his part, that be would
support the measures that might be proposed- for meeting the
exigencies of the State?—(Hear, hear, fives the Opposkion.)--
They were all agreed in their desire to meet these exigencies;
but it was remarkable that not one of the Honourable Gentlemen
on the other side of the House had looked to the internal state
of the country, to the Petitions sin their table, or to the distress
of which these Petitions complained. They only looked to the
country as a subject of taxation ; but he looked at the state of
the people, and must say, that this was not a time for imposing
fresh taxes. lie had, GOD knew, no more confidence in his
Right Hon. Friend than in the present Administration ; but If,
by the beginning of next Session, he should find the country Id
a better situation, he would agree to support the present Admi-
nbtratlon in imposing additional Taxes. lie repeated, that it
was solely on account of the internal state of the country that
he opposed the measure at present. And was this a cause for
the talons of the Right lion. Gentleman? Dad he think that
his own recent conduct was forgotten? that it was not recol-
lected how he had reprobated the Gentierren by whom he was
now surrounded; how he had lampooned the friends on one side
of him, and betrayed those on the other P—tHcar, hear.) Topics
enough occurred to him (Mr. Calcraft), which, he knew, if fol-
lowed up—( Cries sr Order!)—would bring recollections to mind
that would snake the Right lion. Gentleman repeist his attack.
lie, indeed, of all persons, to make such an attack !—To charge
others with inconsistent, cowardlya and shuffling conduct!—'(
/Peri hear.)—He might be a splendid orator, but he chewed in
this that he had not much judgment.
Mr. BROODEN (the Chairman) here interrupted the lion.
Member. lie really thought the Right lion. Gentleman had
salt/ nothing unparliameutary, alid the debate was now becoming
too personal.
Mr.CALCRAFT said, he had been goaded to the course
which he had adopted, and in hi, opinion the epithets employed
by the Right Honourable Gentleman should have been met by
something stronger than what he had said. At all events, he
and his Honourable Friends amid not leave the House without
noticing them—(Loud cheers from the Opposition).
111 r. CANNING rose to explain amidst loud cries of " Ques-
tion !" It was not, he observed, his intention to reply to the
personalities of the lion. and Learned Gentleman, but he wished
to correct the construction which had been put upon his (Mr.
Canning's) argument. His argument was, that if there was
not a reason for applying a remedy, there could have been none
for going into the ihquiry. If once the explanation had been
gone into—if the weakness of the State were exhibited, its re-
sources should also be made known.

Mr. MACDONALD (amidst loud and repeated cries of
" gurstion," and " strangers mast withdraw !") begged the atten-
tion of the House for a few moments. Of such Members as
were in the last Parliament, he would ask whether they had not
seen Ministers at the beginning of the Peace sit down without
any one regular plan of economy ? , Whether they had not seen
them opposed to the first motions of Retrenchment, and whether
they had not seemed determined to go on and suffer the country
to groan under the heavy pressure of a war establishment in time
of peace?—a system with which they would have continued, had
they not been deterred from it by the strong voice of the public
opinion without doors, and by the honest vigilance of those who
suave to give effect to that public opinion within. Many Mem-
bers who had not sat In the last Session did not remember—he
Was sure they who had could never forget, what Was the kind
of Retrenchment which Ministers had thought fit to recom-
mend. They began by an attempt to cut away from the poor
Pensioners. They wished to pare away the humble mite of the
Widow, In order to aid the labouring Treasury—(Hear, hear).
Out the House had honestly interfered, and'prevented this un-
gonerous and unjust attempt. The poor widow was considered
to be the fit object from whose scanty stipend some paltry say-1
legs were to he made. She, it was true, had no political infiu-1
eine; she had no connexions whose support it might be desirar
ble for Ministers to obtain. No ; all she had, all she prized, and
that was dear to her, she had lost for the country's cause; and
a redliction of her pension was to be the extent of her reward,
because forsooth its continuance would militate against the rigid
economy which Ministers were determined to practice—(!fear).
She was to suffer because she could only complain ; but if it was
proposed to remove any of the large incumbrances on the public
purse—if it were desired to touch one of those golden baits which
were held out for veering politicians,—one of those stalls where
eaJC and indolence were the reward of ministerial adherence—
if any of these were proposed to he touched, then it was said the
State would be undone—the public •business could not be car-
ried on—(Hear, hear, hear).
Mr. It. MA RTIN said a few words.—Strangers were then
ordered to withdraw, and the Committee divided—For the
original Resolutions 329—For the Amendment 132—Majority
197.—The House having resumed, the report was ordered to
be received to-morrow (this day).
Mr. PEEL moved the Order of the Day for receiving the
Report of the Bank of England ('ash Payment BilL
Mr. MANNING and Mr. ELLICE made some objections:
it was afterwards agreed that the 'Report should be received ;
and the Bill was ordered to be lead a third time this day, if then
engrossed ; upon the understanding that, if it could not be brought
on at' an early hour, it should be postponed till Wednesday.
The other Orders were then disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at two o'clock.

FALMOCTII, JUNE s.—Viind. W.—Arrived the Dryade, Boa-
Row% from New Orleans; and the Primrose schooner, from
Crooked Island, in .42 days, with the Mail of the late Princess
Charlotte packet.

PLYMOUTH, Juxr 6.—Arrived the George, Ifoucuvow, from
Barcelona, for Jersey; and Elizabeth, Bums, from Palermo;
both these vessels are placed under quarantine. The Perseus,
RICHA RDSON, is released from quarantine and sailed for London.
Poanstourn, Juxa 7.—Arrived the Malabar, Ascouou, from
the Downs for New South Wales; the Crown transport, from
Guernsey ; and his Majesty's ship ROSAIMO, from a cruize.—
Passed by the Gustaf Adolf, Busman, from Lisbon ; the Jacob,
Jottausou, from Melazzo; and Underwood, Evn.rx, from Bar-
badocs, in forty days.—Sailed the Ann transport, for London.—
Wind W.S.W.

HARWICH, .Ica-c 7.—Wind &W.—Arrived the lady Nepean
packet, from Holland, with a Mail.

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BRISTOL, JUNK 7.—Arrived the Etheldred, CLIVICNTS, and the
Kingston, SALE, from Jamaica; and the Pilot, Pirtux, from
Demerara.

Dom., JUNE 7.—. Wind 8. W.—Arrived and sailed for the
River, the Astell ancr Henry Porcher, from Bengal; Fairlic,
Walo, from Bombay ; Tulloch CastlerGoLtain, from Jamaica;
and General Miranda, COULSON, from Tobago; the Litter vessel
spoke, on the 13th ult. in lat. 55. long. 55.20. the Rose, Hut.,
of and for Glasgow from Demarara, all well.
Cl:grow-Horsy:, Jusia 7.—Entered Inwards : The Batavia,
Lamb, from Bombay ; Delaford, Young, from St. Vincent's ;
Hope, Page, from Harlingen; Fame, M‘Ewan ; Sprightly,
Spence; and Antzus, Rorie, from Riga; Good Intent, Ro-
bertson, from Lisbon; Sea Nymph, Mathison, from Alessina ;
York Merchant, Meatress, from Oporto ; Speedwell boy, from
St.ingate Creek; Marshal Blucher, Ellis, and Thermutis, Den-
nis, from Rotterdam; Jane, Meatus, from Malta ; Mary, Tay-,
lor, from Leghorn ; 'Providenca Rogers, froth Ancona; Spa-
nish Patriot, Duren, from Cadiz.

Cleared ontwards.—The Prosperous, Pack, for Rotterdam;
Union, Carry, for Barre; Tiger, Powell, for Constantinople
and Smyrna; Rtoil du Matte, Le Roy, for Rouen; Reliance,
Nicholson, for Hamburgb and Harmony, Currie, fur St. Julueb,
New Brunswick.

THE EVENING STA

LONDHON.

TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 18
THE FUNDS.

PRICE OT STOOKS THIS DAY AT ON
3 per Cent. Reduced 69:1i
3 per Cent. Consols shut
3,1 per Cent. 78 77i-4 per Cent.
5 per Cent. Navy slut
Bank Long Annuities 18 3.16
India Bonds 1 2 dis.
Exchequer Bills (2d.) 4 3 pre.
Commercial SO discount
Consols for Acct. 691 701 G 9: 70

Considerable fluctuation has taken p,
ing in the price of Stocks. Consols
fell to +, then rose to 70; ; again declit
at twelve o'clock were 701. Much bur
done, but the market looks heavy.
sioners were served in Reduced at 691
generally.
Last night the CHANCELLOR of ti
submitted to the House of Commons
laid on the table on Thursday, and
mode in which he proposes to raise
Liana' millions of Taxes. They are at
under the heads of Excise and Custom,
the latter on foreign Wool. an additi•
from 250,0001. to 300,000/.; on variol
small additional duties to yield a'out
remainder is to be raised under the Is 4
viz.—On Malt, an additional duty
bushel, making the whole daty 3s.
calculated will yield ],•100,0;)01.: on Tt
an increase of 4 per cent. yielding 130,
bacco 500,0001.: on Coffee and Cocoa
Pepper 30,0001.; and on British D;
500,000/. By the calculation, the inert
yield 3,193,0001. which, allowing for
ciencies, may be taken at the Three IV

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