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his fees but as a right which had been etas.
from time immemorial. Under these cir.
ICC! the Notre would see the present motion

aolly unnecessay.
FRANCIS BURDETT said, that if the doe-
utvanced by the Learned Gentleman opposite
tterney-General) were to regulate the proceed-
she House,
they would have very little busi-
To through. Every Member knows perfectly
subject on which he moves for papers pre-
to their production, but he calls for their pro-
4in order to lay a clear and distinct founda-
tot alterior (Hear, hear.)—In all matters
plaint or 27rni it was, if not in itself neces-
At least always required, that official authority
to prove their existence. But the great
go in the case now before them, was the abso-
dusal of justice to the poor, by means of the
ous expense imposed on its administration.—
/war.) He should like to know of what avail
• political and legal institutions could be, if
were thus rendered inaccessible. The great
• therefore was, that the insatiable thirst of
id made the administration ofjustice a cruel
and mockery to the people.--(Hear,
Honourable
Honourable Member proposed to bring forward
legislative remedy for this grievance. The rea-
on which he wished to found this measure was
reason, according to the Attorney-General, be-
. it was perfectly notorious to the whole world !
ievance was indeed notorious, and therefore the
was not only reasonable but necessary.
r. W. SMITH thought the mode of opposition•
adopted the most singular he had ever knowni
motion was improper, let its impropriety be
and let it be rejected. ( Hear ). But the ob.
was, that he had connected his motion with
Pone, and not brought it forward in an abstract
He could give a clear, short, and specific an-,
Mr. Hone's case was rather the occasion than
reason of bringing forward his motion ; but
it
so, because it was the most striking case of this
lerable exaction that had occurred in his recollec-
Mr. Hone informed hint, that he was obliged
(er to obtain information, accurate information,
crime laid to his charge, in order to be prepa-
defend himself in a Court of Justice, so pay the
of 9/. To obtain this sum, he was obliged to sell,
great loss, part of his property. He was thut
7ed to sell property belonging to him in order to
knowledge of the crime imputed to him. To
in that House, to all of them, indeed, this

oust appear very trifling. But to a poor man,
lem the expenditure of a shilling was matter of
al calculation, it was a heavy exaction ; since the
tsation itself too was very unjust, this was a great
!ion of the injury. He founded his motion
le case of Mr. Hone, because he had been

to sell property greatly under value ;—the
dence of his spirit not suffering him to apply
is friends for the money exacted from him.—
information were given in consequence of an
motion, it would not be the information
It would let them know how much was

per sheet, but it would not shew how many.
a poor man must pay for, in order to meet in
accusation. If the .41itorney-General should
an Amendment that would in any other wa '
this information, instead of moving the pre•
question, he would willingly adopt it. He took
went mode of introducing the subject,
fought it the most formal, the most authentic,
the most Parliamentary mode; but if he failed
s present motion, he would introduce the subject
less formal, authentic, and parliamentary mode,
at once the reform of the abuses alluded to.
Lord CASTLEREAGH felt himself bound to give
-;ve to the motion, because its professed ob-
was different from the real one. The professed
was to lay a foundation for some legislative
IX as to fees paid in the Crown Office. This
would be effected by a general motion on the
The information thus obtained would, by
rale4-three, at once shew the charges in any
case. But the real object was to give the
is an exaggerated view of the question, by con-
it with Kr. Hone.' The trial of ifr. Hone
mg now taken place, and the Attorney General
ing displayed all the qualities which belonged to
in the discharge ofhis duty, he would say nothing
on the subject ; but he must give his negative to
motion for the reason which he had assigned.
Ylr. BROUGHAM defended the mode adopted

the Honourable Member for Norwich. His ob-
. was merely to obtain a foundation for a legis-
,ve proceeding. He said, in effect, " Give Me
documents, and I will shew you the foun-
toa of such a measure." "No," said the Noble

" but we will tell you that so much is charge-d
t." After such information should be laid
them, they would remain quite ignorant of
sum paid by each individual. The edge
is could not be obtained but by such a motion
was stated by his Honourable Friend. Let the

Int paid in the case of Mr. Hone be given, and,
ley chose, in the case of five or six others, in order
avoid attaching the question to any particular
and they would then have a proper foundation
further proceedings.
Ir. BRAGGE BATHURST contended, that If
general expenses were given, the Honourable
deman could tell the expense in any given in-
ice. He would beg leave to tell the Honourable
aleman too, that although Mr. Hone could not
copies of the informations against him, he had a
't to go to the Crown-office, and to read them
as often and as leisurely as he pleased. So much
.iat point of complaint. The second point to which
wou:d advert was, that the particular object of
motion was, not to bring the question of general
.1, on this point of law, before the House, but
bring this particular case of Mr. Hone before them.
is was a reason for which he opposed the motion.
Lord FOLKESTONE thought a particular instance
ievance the best foundation for a general remedy.
m any complaint came from his side of the House,

Were generally called upon to give a particular
'e• He was therefore surprised to hear those on
other side now object to a motion, merely because
was founded on a particular case : he had, however,
) ohjettion, indeed, he wished that twenty or thirty
vs were stated, as that would form a still better
ulation. But the only reason of his rising to say
thug on the subject was the assertion of the Right
curable Gentleman, that Mr. Hone had a right
go into the Crown Office aud to mad the info: mu-

bons against hits. This, truly, t Very Valuable'
right to Mr. Hone, confined, as he was at that time,
in the King's Bench. By an Act of Parliament, in-
troduced by Sir Vicaty Gibbs, (the present Chief
Justice of the Common Pleas,) when he was Attorney-
General, the Attorney-General was entitled to call
upon any man to find bail, and, failing to do so, to
commit him to prison. Mr. Hone was, according to
this Act, called upon to find bail ; he did not, indeed
he would not find bail, and he was in consequence
committed to the King's Bench by order of the Court,
and on the motion of the Attorney-General. How
could he, in this situation, walk into the Crown Of-
fice to read the informations against him? Besides,
even if, he could go into the Crown Office, could- a
man, by the cursory perusal he could give the infor-
mation there, prepare himself for his defencen—.(henr.)
Sir W. SMITH said he had no objection to with-
draw kis motion, if the Right Honourable Gentle-
man would bring forward a general one to the same

purpose.
The SPEAKER ordered strangers to withdraw,
supposing the House would divide upon the motion.
'Mr. BRAGGE BATHURST said, he could have
no objection to a general motion on the subject.
Mr. W. SMITH withdrew his motion, and gave
notice he would move again on the subject to-morrow.

POOR LAWS.

Mr. ST URGES BOURNE postponed his motion for a Com-
mittee on the Poor TAWS till to-morrow.
ADDRESS TO THE PRINCE REGENT.

Lord GEORGE BKRESPORD appeared at the Ear, and
stated the Prince Regent to have been waited upon with the
Address of that House, to which his Royal highness had been
'leased to return a most gracious answer, which was then read.

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