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been thrown out had had the sanction of the highm
authority in that place. He thought, upon the whole,
that the House was now called upon to make a stand
in support of its own opinion upon this question, so
repeatedly pronounced. He then concluded by
moving —That an humble Address be presented to
his Majesty, praying that his Majesty would be gra.
ciously pleased not to grant any office is reversion
until six weeks after the meeting of the next Session
of Parliament. 7
Mr. Secretary RYDER opposed the motion, oa
the ground that the desired object could be better
promoted by a bill for a limited time than by an Ad.
dress, which latter method he thought objectionable,
' lupon1upon the constitutional principle, that that Howe
was not to legislate for the country by their Own au•
thority only. They had in the history of other times
abundant proof of the dangerous consequences of such
abuse. He instanced the Lqn Parliament; in the
reign of Charles I. and thought that the circumstance
of their excesses ought to make them cautious how
they would proceed to take any steps to legislate of
themselves merely for the rest of the country. He
thought that it was not their business to anticipate
the result of a limited Bill in another place, but that
they were bound at all events to make the experiment
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Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON thought that
some unfortunate fatality hung over every measure
introduced for the purpose of restricting the granting
of places in reversion. He very much questiosted the
HOUSL OF COMMONS. ; sincerity of that sort of support the measure had at
. last received from certain quarters, and thought that
Mr. BYNG gave notice of a motion for to-morrow, upon the
subject of Notices, with regard to Private Bills. , the House ought to follow up its original intention 9,f
Lord PERCY gave notice, that he would to-morrow move for perpettal prohibition. If this question should not be
leave to bring in a Bill for regulating the mode of loading Coals got
rid of by a division, it would be impossible that
at the Port of Newcastle-upon-Tyne. the country should not conceive an unfavonrable opi.
Mr. MELLISH brought in a Bill for incorporating the Gas-
Light Company. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second ritOrt of the objects of that House, and of the since-
time. • rity of his Majesty's Ministers respecting measures 4
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE obtained leave to bring in a BM
economy.
for amending the Laws with regard to the Foundling Hospital, 1
Mr. DUNDAS said, that the question was not
as
in Dublin.
The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up; tome Ito the principle of not granting reversions, but we.
of the Resolutions were agreed to, and others postponed. i titer they should pass a Bill for that purpose or
The Report of the Committee upon the Aet.rewstine the move an Address ! and when that question was put
Duties upon Spirits distilled from Corn in Ireland, was brought , ,
to him, he had no hesitation in preferring the mode
up, agreed to, and a Bill ordered agreeably to the Resolution of .
' of Bill as the mare constitutional mode.
the Committee. .
Ordered, that the Papers presented to the House last Session, Mr. STURGES' BOURNE professed himself l
by Mr. Come:, respecting the Cintra Inquiry, being original's friend to the measure of prohibiting the grants e!
be referred to the Judge Martial and the Advocate-General. i
1 offices in reversion, but in the present instance thou&
Ordered, upon the motion of Mr. ROSE, that the House should t
to-morrow, resolve into a Committee upon the Act for payment 1, that it would be more advisable to bring in a Bill
of Sugar Bounties. ; now, than to proceed by Address to his Majesty.
Ordered, on the motion of Mr. CALCRAFT, that there should 1 Mr. LAMB never approved of the substitution of
be laid before the House a Return of the Officers in the 7th Re- suspending for prohibitory Bills. It had been said
elment of Dragoons upon the 25th of February last; and also of
the number of Artillery Drivers in the Service on the Ist oft there was no doubt but a Bill for suspending
March, together with an Account of the total expenses of that such grants would pass ; that, he admitted, because
Corps. 'it was known in the ether House that acceding to
Lord Wellington's Annuity Bill was read a third time and passed.
' such a measure was the most effectual way of oppos.
Several Documents with regard to the Harbour of Ardglass . .
ing the prohibition of reversionary grants altogether.
were ordered to be laid before the House, upon the motion of
Mr. Witccascav Pout. i Every suspension Bill they passed only gave strength
Sir H. MONTGOMERY proposed that the House should re- I to the opposition to the principle, and he was on that
solve into a Committee upon the Irish Road Bill. account decidedly for a direct prohibitory measure.
Mr. SHAW (of Dublin) observed, that upon a review of this I
Bill, the introduction of a new clause appeared to him neces- i Mr. D. GIDDY thought the Address would not
sary, in order to correct what he conceived exceptionable in its i be unconstitutional, and he knew that some Gentle-
character. But not being at present prepared with such a clause, ! men. were a opinion that such a proceeding would
he took leave to suggest the postponement of the motion until to- i be advisable previously to the bringing in. Of a Bill.
morrow, as the measure was not pressing in point of time.
He firmly believed his Majesty would give his cou•
To this suggestion the Mover acceded, and the motion was as.
sent to the ,bringing iii.of a Bill to abolish reversionary
cordingly postponed.
Lord TEMPLE adverting to a notice which he had some days grants. In that case, the House could proceed
since given to the House, with respect to a motion for an Ad-
effectually with the Bill, as such consent would do
dress to the King, for the purpose of ascertaining the person by
away all the objections entertained in another place.
whom his Majesty was counselled to return an Answer to the
the motion.
Address of the City of London, upon the subject of the Expedi- 1 He should vote for
rs
tion to the Sehddt, observed, that the debate of last night pre- 1 . Sir JOHN NEWPCL.T confessed his apprehen-
oscupied so much of the ground, and the result of that debate so sions as to the probable 'auk of a Bill, since he ha
much answered the object of that motion, that he did not think
it necessary to follow it up—and therefore be thought proper to observed that the strongest advocates for the limited
suspension, were the strongest opponents to- the mode
withdraw his notice. I .
Ordered, on the motion of Sir Home Popham, that Copies ; of Address ; and he would rather prefer the measure
should be laid before the House of Letters addressed by Sir I of the Hon. Gentleman who originated it, and who
Richard Strachan to the Secretary of the Admiralty of the at As
he believed to be sincere and interested for its success,
of February, and also of the sth of March last, with the enclo-
than that of those who, from his heart, he thought
sures. .
Upon the motion of Mr. tiORNEft, the Accounts and Parer; Were hollow and deceitful in their professions.
ordered some time since, with regard to Bullion, were 'ordered Mr. BRA GGE BATHURST thought the objec-
to be presented forthwith. tion taken in form to the late Bill, well founded{ and
Mr. WHARTON moved for a Copy of the Letter addressed
by the Surgeon-General to the Secretary at War, on the 4th
August, 1809, comm i coursen the present
enting upon the Letter of Mr. Knight the a suggeste
nstance to withdraw the motion
d, in his judgment, as the best possible
- ^-.....21 —Ordered accordingly. for an Address, and move for leave to bring in a
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new Bill. '

- HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH G.
In the Appeal " Monition and others, v. Lyon and others,"
Mj. ADAM, jun. was heard for the Respondents, and Mr. ADAM
in reply,--Further proceeding on Friday.
' A Private Bill and two Road Bills were brought up from the
Commons, by Mr. LYooN, and other Members.
Earl BATPIURST gave notice of a motion for Thursday, to
discharge the order for hearing Counsel in the Corn Distillation
Prohibition Bill.
When the LORD CHANCELLOR was putting
the question of adjournment,
The Earl of DARNLEY observed, that none of
his Majesty's Ministers were in their places, and, as
he was desirous of asking a quesion of one of them,
he wished to know whether any of them were likely
to be in their places on Thursday ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR declined giving any
warranty for the appearance of any Noble Lord in
the House except himself, who would be obliged to
be there.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved the print-
ing of the evidence taken yesterday at the bar upon
the Distillation Bill, which was ordered.
The Earl of DARNLEY said, there was a gene-
ral rumour that it was the intention of his Majesty's
Ministers to send out of the country upon their expe-
ditions, every soldier that was fit for service, and he
should think it his duty to call the attention of the
House to this important subject at its next sitting.—
Adjourned till Thursday.

MUTINY BILL.
The House resolved into a Committee upon the
Mutiny Bill.
In answer to a question from Mr. WHITBREAD,
Lord PALMERSTON stated, that there were two
amendments in this bill—one, that it should be lawful
to billet recruits before their attestation; and the other,
that recruiting. officers should not bes precluded from
claiming recruits, although they should not have cal.
led upon such recruit within four days after their ori-
ginal enlistment, unless with the omission so to call it
was made to appear, that the recruiting officer was
acquainted with the usual residence or address of the
recruit. .
Upon the latter amendment a long desultory con-
versation arose, in which General MATHEW, Lord
MILTON, Mr. A. TAYLOR, the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the ATTORNEY GENERAL, Mr. WORTLEY
STEWART, and Mr. R. S. DUNDAS, took a part.
Mr. TAYLOR suggested the propriety of allowing
Magistrates to receive smart money in case the recruit-
ing Officer should not be found, or be at a distance.
This' arrangement he thought necessary, in order to
guard against the,practice of imposture upon drunken
men by artful recruiting officers, who might contrive
to keep out of the way for the time allowed to those
surprized into enlistment, to pay the smart.
Lord PALMERSTON could not assent to the
propriety of departing from the established practice
in these cases.
No amendment upon this subject was proposed,
and the House resumed.
Report to-morrow.
REVERSION BILL.
Mr. BANKES moved, that the resolution of the
House upon the 10th of August be now read ; which
having been read, he said it was his intention to move
a similar resolution at present, without making any
observation, but understanding that it would not be
agreed to by Gentlemen on the other side, he mtrely
wished to know upon what grounds those Gentlemen
.vho agreed to the Resolut►on in 1807 could oppose
the same proposed now. He made one or two ob-
servations on the alledged irregularity of forms upon
which pretence the bill had been lost in another place.
He knew not what new objections might have found
their way into the head of any acute and cavilling
specs il pleader, as to the alledged absurdity of bring-
ing ill one bill to make another that was limited per-'
petual. But he knew that bills liable to a similar ob-
jection in form, had gone up and passed the other
limuf„ and he also knew, that the bill which had

.Mr..PET.ER MOORE thought this a most ur,-
fortunate Bill ; it had had many nurses, and was yet
stunted in its growth ; and notwithstanding all its
friends, he was afraid it was not destined to come roi
maturity. He thought That the House ought not to
abandon itself, and should pass Address upon Ad-
dress father than give up their opinions upon this
measure. He maintained, that the best service that
could be done the Empire was to take care of the
Finances. He adverted to the case of M-. Steele,
who had not been made an example ot—so that other
defaulters were encouraged. He then mentioned the
cases of Mr. Villiers and Mr. Hunt, which had oc-
curred since ; and stated, that of the balance of
£90,000, due to the public, £30,000 bad been due
from the year 1805, when Mr. Hunt was Treasure
of the Ordnance before. How many families must
be called upon for taxes to make up these balances?
He thought the Bank might do for nothing the•pot•
tion of the business of the public at present conducts/
by them, on account of the use of such an immense
sum of pdblic money, by which they were enabledto.
discount to the amount of from a million and a halt
to two millions a week. He then adverted to the
little satisfaction the public had received with -
to the Loyalty Men, Mr. John Bowles, am. Ste. ;
and concluded by declaring his preference of the
mode of Address, as it kept the subject in their ovu
hands.
Mr. WHITBREAD found, from the report
those who had examined the Lords Journal,,
one Bill on the subject of reversions had been thro
out by a technical objection—of the objection to
other they could regularly know nothing. But.
wished to know whether there would be any obj
to the bringing in another Bill for the Abolition
the Granting of Offices in Reversion—not bible
the technical objection of the Lords against that
mer Bill. If this could be done, he should thi4
preferable to the mode of Address, respecting
he hoped the Hon. Gentleman (Mr: Bank's)
in that case, withdraw his motion. He was Ave
to the bringing in of another Suspension Bill, beca. •
the measure would still be in the hands of enemi.!
The Ministers were hostile to it, though unable e.
tually to oppose it, and their connections in a
place were equally averse to it. He should not 011:1
a suspe.nsion
to Fe to the other House with
again ; and, therefore, with all the obj
mode of Address ho
ne, uld pref:r it to an!4er
Adruiustrat,
Pension. He mhitiothat the late •
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