Star.
London, England, 1820-07-11 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The !WEAKEN. took the Chair at four o'clock.
Mr. joissaow, from the Office of the Chief Secretary for Ire-
land,appeared at the Bar with certain Parrs, being an Aceeent
of the Anieuet of the Grand Jury Assessments in Ireland.—
Laid on the table.
Mr. BLACKBURN preseoted Petitions from Birmingham
and Manchester, praying for a free Trade to India.--ordered
lie on the table.
On the motion of Sig H. Palmitin the House resolved itself
into a Committee on the jrish Tithe Leases Bill; and the se-'
tort was ordered to be reaived forthwith, and to be taken into 11
further consideration this day Six months.
Sir WILLIAM CURTIS moved the Order of the Day for
receiving the Report of the Leaden Militia Bill; which having
been brought up, was ordered to be recommitted to-morrow.
Colonel DAVIES ' palmated a Petition from Richard Wil.

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by _ lihnee,were That t.
Order of ple Day foe the. woe of Arnwtiong Janis be
discharke4" as it ammo! dot he was at present confined in ,
N!wgatiol/4 `lie should plebe* bave shortly a Peddon to sub-
nut from ilbat individual, paying for the lenity .cif the Hope,
which he dangle' meld OS be ostaided to bin), as be was
•?lited to act under
The Order of the_ Day was then discharged ;as was abo that

for the attendance of the witnesses, Manners, Esq. and.
William Atter. . .
Mr. WYNN agreed that the indulgence of.the House ought
to be extended to Armstrong Jarvis, as it appeared that he was
not a free agent in the proceedings. The Honourable Member
then moved, " That the Order of the Day be read for moving
the committal of Sir William Manners to his Majesty's Jail of
Newgate." . -
Sir JA MRS GRAHAM contended, that it was impossible
Sir William Manners could have been aware of the proceeding's
of the. House, having left his residence before the Speaker a
warrant reached Buckminster. He therefore theight it would
be a most severe measure to punish him, under sorb dream-
stances, and should move that the Order of the Day be dlocharged.
Dr. PHILLI MORE said, Sir William Manners had est the
Order of the House at defiance, and he ought to be made to
suffer for it. The motion for a commitment did not faded, Sir
William Manners only—it likewise affected Armstrong Jarvis{
and nothing could be more unjust than to imprimis the oerrent,
while the master, who had been the principal offender, was 01-
lowed to be at large with impunity. Impartial justide ought to
be done, without considering the rank of the parties.
Mr. TENNYSON said, that warrants had been served on
the several witnesses whose testimony was conddered indispens-
able. Those witnesses were now in attendance ; but it appeared
that the parties who had summoned theni did not attacEao
much importance to trick evidence as they at first stated;fot they
evinced no disposition to have them examined. His persuasion,
therefore, was, that such being the case, it would be a severe
measure to punish thole on the opposite side in this affair,
The SPEAKER called the Honourable Member to order,
and asked, if he ever knew a case where the authority of -the
Speaker's warrant was questioned, merely no account of the na-
ture of the evidence to be produced is the affair at issue? Such
a principle would tend to overturn the whole of the Statute Law
of the land, and he could not help again stating, that the I fonour-
able ,„lemer was quite out of order in advancing it.
Mr. TENNYSON said a few words **warty to the same im-
port as before, and was again reminded from the Chair of being
out of order.

A short conversation then took place on the subject, between
Mr. liVrss, Co!onel WOOD, Mr. CALCILATT, Mr. GOEERURN, Mr.
WROTTESLEY, and Sir JAMES Macxix.roan; after which the ori-
ginal question was carried without a division, and the SPEAKER
was ordered to issue his warrant forthwith for the committal of
Sir William Manners to Newgate.
Mr. LITTLE'CON presented a Petition from the Master
Manufacturers of Staffordshire, prlying that the Duties on (Una
and Earthenware exported to Ireland should be discontinued.
The Honourable Member at the same time cave notice,thst he
should move that the words " China and Earthenware" be erased
from the Bill pending on the subject.
Sir JOHN N EWI'ORT said a few words, and the Petition
was ontered to lie on the table.

Sir W I ILIA M SCOTT moved the Order of the Day for the
second reading of the Sea Offences Bill.
Sir J AMES MACKINTOSH sutgested to the lionourabk
and Learned 3lember the propriety of allowing more time for
deliberation on the subject. Ile therefore wished that the Bill
should be printed, aid-in the hands of Members, before the se-
cond reading took place. lie understood the object of the Bill
was to extend to offences committed on the sea, the punishment
awarded to offences on land.
Sir WILLIAM SCOTT-disclaimed any intention to precipi-
tate the Bill, and thought that sufficient time bad been allewid to
put the House in possession of its merits, .
Sir ISAAC COFFIN thought this one of the molt necessary.
and Important measures that could be proposed to the delibera-
tion of the House. -

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH concurred with the,Homono-
able Member, that this was necessary measure, bat certainly
not one of the most necessary or Important that could be sub-
mitted to the House.

The Bill war, then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on Wednesday.
Sir GEORGE MIA. moved the Order of the Day for the
second reading of the Irish Paupers Removal Bill. .
Mr.' W. l'A RNELL adverted to the hardships to which
Irish paupers were exposed on their removal from England.
He said, a doubt existed whether the children of Irish pose
were liable to be removed, though some eminent Counsel • had
given. an opinion that they were. He thought it might be eve"
dient for the Irish Govermnint to grant small sums of money
towards providing for those paupers, on their return to their own
couotty, as they were left entirely destitute, and had no paro-
chial relief to resort to.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought that ‘the principle of the
Bill would operate to the prejudice of the Inhabitants of thine
districts where the paupers should land. The Bill pro
that they should disembark at four different ports an the
people in the vicinity of these ports were to be burdened with a
temporary provision for them in the first instance—while the
paupers, finding themselves so well off, would be induced to fix
a permanent residence in the neighbourhood, and thereby add
to the grievance.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE said he should have no objection to
suppert the Bill if it contained .any •clause to keep the Irish
paupers at home when they got there. lie hoped the Honour-
abL, Member had made some provision for this. He assured
the Honourable Member that this would be a moot desirable
object, as he was frequently annoyed in the streets by the im-
promities of persons whom he knew from their brogue to be
Irish paupers !—(.if laugh).
Mr. /I ARBO RD supported the Rill, and entered into a state-
ment to show the heavy borthens which Irish paupers occasisseal
to the metropolitan parishes.
Mr. C. GRANT said a few words ; and, the Bill having been
read a second time, the Report was ordered to be received od
WeJinesday next.
Mr. BEN NETT -moved for a Return of the number of
Men who are now receiving Pensions on accoset of liimiesea
The Hoe. Goodman, in introducing his motion, took ems*,
to advert to the services rendered by the Optbalmic Instim=
•Slr T. ACLARD thought it, would- be proper to.
whether the cases were curable or not before pensions for bad-
ness were grimed. It would be wrong that a person young
rigorous should receive a pension after he had been re .
Ms sight, in a ease which was considered incurable.
Lord PALMERSTON said, that due care had been taken is
awarding pensions, that the objects should be such a• were en-'
titled to them. .
Sir JOSEPH YORKE did not outsider Sir' W. Adams en-
titled to any greater praise for successful practice in cases of
Opthalmia, than any ordinary surgeon: Ile had selected only
such cases as he theoght might easily be cured.
Mr. BASHAM vindicated the mode of treatment adopted
by Sir W. Adams.---Motion agreed to.

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•lAST INDIA COSIPAPIT'S VOLUNTEERS. •
Mr. CANNING, in moving that thelleport of the
East India Company's Volunteers Bill be brought up,
entered into some fresh explanations respecting the
measure. He stated that the East India Compaay'w
Volunteers had existed from 1793 or 1794, till tht
renewal of the. Charter.• They had been discontinued
since ; but for their revival a large contributiontad
already been made from the commercial funds of
that Company, so that one of the chief objections to
the Bill was removed. The first duty of these Vo-
lunteers would certainly be to protect tile property
deposited in the warehouses of the Company in case
of any sudden disturbance in the Metropolis. The
value of that property amounted to no less than thir-
teen millions ; the Company's own goods being
worth eight millions, and those of individuals within
its warehouies five millions sterling.. The necessity
of protecting such an. amount of property against
any sudden emergency must therefore be apparent.
consideration might also
To this, another important

, the sailing of the last Nips std''
_ next fleet, the Ostnpan? were In
laying in their provisions. Some of.
military tutture, so that about t*
November, there were in the Company's
less thin 25,000 stand of muskets,
It was clear that such a depots-
in case of diittithance, should be carefully guarded,
particularly by those who otherwise would be idling
in crowds round those warehouses. The Bill stipu-
lated besides, that after protecting their own pro-
perty, that corps should be disposable through every
part of the. -Metropolis, like any-other- -Volunteer
Corps. These were the outlines of the measure.,
About eight hundred men, or one-third of the esta-
blishment, wotild be raised, equipped, and instructed,
without the expense of one farthing to the State.—,
What objection could be raised against a Bill which'
tended to add so much to the public tranquillity,
without increasing the burdens of the country ?
Mr. BERNAL impressively argued against the
proposition to raise a corps of this nature in a-period
of profound peace, conceiving that it would 'be quite-
as just to raises separate corps of Volunteers to pro-
tect the Bank or the South Sea Company, or any
other commercial institution, as that of the East
India Company, whose property might be fully pro-
tected by the. Civil Power, without any such este-
Ablishment. Ile protested against any-establishment
of this nature, upon-constitutional grounds, con-
ceiving that in the year 1820 it was not necessary to
'raise a corps of 800 men for the defence of property,
end that if such a corps should be established, it
Oust be regarded as a part of what might be deem
the Military Policeof the Metropolis—(Hear, hear).
Sir R. WILSON asked, whether this corps would
be subject to the Articles of War?
Mr.-CANNING replied, that this.corps would be
subject to the same discipline as other Volunteer Corps.
The Report was agreed to, and the Bill was or-
dered to be read a third time to-morrow.

LIMEREC& ELECTION.

On the motion that Henry D'Esterre should be
brought to the Bar in order to be discharged agree-
ably to his Petition,
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH rose, te'said, not
with a view to oppose the motion, but in order to
suggest for serious consideration the condition in
which this unfortunate individual was placed by his
•own conduct. He did not mean to interpose between
`this individual and the proposed lenity of the House.
This individual admitted that he was guilty of pre-
varication on oath, and as he was a member of a
liberal profession, it would be for those who com-
posed that piofession to consider whether it were
fitting that he should be allowed any longer to be-
long to such a profession ? But, without desiring to
aggravate the suffering which the reflections of his,
own mind must inflict upon this individual, he must
observe upon that which was material to the Public.
This individual occupied a high judicial station in
Ireland, and was it fitting that, after his own confes-
sion of guilt, he should be allowed to fill such a
station ?—( Hear, hear).
Mr. DAWSON said, that he was one of the Mem-
hers of the Committee before which the 'prisoner had
been guilty of gross prevarication, and he could not
help saying that such a person should not be allowed
to-remain in any judicial station.
Mr. J. DALY said, that be presented the Petition
of the prisoner because he felt it his duty to do so,
as that-Petition was couched in language respectful
to the House ; but that he had no desire whatever

that the Petitioner should continue to occupy a judi-
cial office.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH expressed a doubt
whether the prisoner should be released without some
Authentic assurance that he should be removed from
the office of Recorder of Limerick.-

Mr. J. DALY said, that as the office which the
prisoner occupied was subject to annual election, and
As that election must be sanctioned by the Lord Lieu-
tenant, there could be no reason to apprehend the re-
appointment of the Petitioner.
Mr. C. GRANT remarked, that there could be no
doubt whatever of the attention of the Lotd Lieute-
nant to the decision of that House, upon any new
election for the Recordership of Limerick.
BANKES observed, that it would be obvi-
ously improper and indecent to allow his continuance
in a judicial or any other office of trust or consequence.
Mr. DALY thought the prisoner should resign.
Lord-CASTLEREAGH said, after what had been
stated by his Right Hon. Friend, it was quite clear
that the time was not distant when Mr. IYEsterre
wottlcl prUbably be depriVed of his office, and there-
fore more. was not necessary to be done at present.
The motion was then agreed to, and the Petitioner
orderedlo be brought to the Bar.—Upon appearing,
The SPEAKER, addressed him as follows:

• l' Henry D'Eaterre, you have been reported to this House,
'by 'a. Select Committee, appointed to determine en the merits
of.; realm presented to this House against the Return feu the
city of Limerick, as having been guilty of gross prevarication.—
. For this. °Entice you have been committed to his Majesty's Jail
'of Newgate. Your Petitiesi, praying to be released (rum farther
confinement, has been received, and you are now brought to
the Bar of this House, 'in order that you• may be reprimanded
and discharged. If it were my duty on this occasion to repri-,
mend a person in a lower station in life--a person half-educafed,l
'and perhaps half-ignorant of the import of the solemo-obliptisp
of an oath, it might be necessary for me to enlarge on the intim,.
character, and consequences of the offence—en offence which,
, going to divest evidence of all truth and justice, differs more in.
' a legal chap in a moral poiiit of view from wilful perjury. But
when I set before me a person of higher rank—a man of educa-.
tion, himself holding a high judicial situation, it is impossible fee
' meto feel called upon longer to expatiate on the enormity of the,
crime which -you have committed, or of the infamy and die.
grace which** has brought upon you: Your own mind *On
wisest more severe and-bitter reproaches than Could my wterds
Psi( which lam master. To these I leave you, and now proceed
!tit communicate the order of the House, which is, that you
Henry. D'Esterre, now discharged ; and you are hereby dis. be
Charged, .n payment of your foes."
Itlr.D'Esterre then withdrew ; and, on the motion
of Lord CASTLEREAGH;the'Speaker's Addtesslnhirit
*as ordered to be inserted upon the Journals amidst,'
it cry of " Hear, heir."
IRISH SPIRITS.
Oh the motion that the Rube. Licence (Ireispd) ant, -116iAt
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it read a second time .... • •
Mr. MARRY Ali said, that by the Standing Ordpr iiiitig
passed, this Bill should be submitted to a Committee * OW
A conversation passed between ford Carrtaiiitix, OM g:
Newroar and others; after which the Bill was ' read a sobbed
time, and committed fee teksnorrow. . . _ .,
. MILITIA' CLOTHING. - • ' • ` .
On the motion for the committal ofthe•Mllllli.Clothlig Bill,
Colonel WOOD askiid whether, as this wus osiannual Bin, it
was imended that the Colos*.of Militia should have ttr.ssiper.
bite* the dothineef that CCoorrppss according to the ad syaicin ? _
lard PALMERSTON observed, that it was deemed impre-

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to allow the is Colonels in priwkle new doaing for
it respective corps, while there was such a quantity or cloth-
kin the stores; and that mita that clothing were exhausted, it
i not intended to resort to the old system.
[he Howe baying resolved into a Committle, the several
ads were agreed to Without an observation.
the House resuhted, and the Report was ordered to be re-
Fed to-morrow.

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tatit BILL.
Upon the tooth* of Lord Cesrizbewon, that the
house resolve itself into a Committee of the whole
House upon the Alien Bill, '
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH rose, not for the pur-
pbse Of entering into any general discussion of the
merits of this question, but to Move that it be an
instruction to the Committee to consider certain
clauses which he should submit to the Howe. The
last time this Bill "was introdeced to the House, in
the year 1818, his Majesty's Ministers had proposed
it upon no other ground than that there were thirty:
eight French exiles, and- three French nen tpaper-
established in the Netherlands. This grourd
deemed sufficient for withdrawing the protection ~f
tte laws from 22,000 foreigners who were living in
this country. His Majesty's Ministers hid become
more confident from success, and they had now
brought forward a Bill without the shadow ot colour
of a reason, and without even an insintiatian or inti-
mation that any reason existed. Upon the first in-
troduction of this Bill some ambiguous phrases had
been used, which were as applicable to any period
since the Christian era as to die present times.
Upon the second reading he had prepared himself
to answer any arguments which might be urged by
his Majesty's Ministers, but net a single reaani was
offered in support of a measure unprecedented in the
history of this country. Upon that occasion a speech
had been delivered against the measure, which was
nor less distinguished by its solidity than its bril-
liancy, and which proved the power of a- superior
mind to give novelty to an exhausted subject. A
most lame and impotent reply to that' speech had
indeed been attempted, and it was contended the
Bill was necessary, because, by possibility, our do-
mestic tranquillity might he disturbed by foreign
incendiaries. He would not dwell upon the ab
dity of supposing, that, under existing cirenITIVtaIICCS,
incendiaries from Seville, or Berlin, or Paris, "ere
likely to avail themselves of tumults at Glasgow or
Manchester. This miserable interest for continuing
the measure had been exposed by ail the powers of
brit and reason, and had been justly held up to the
scorn and derision of the House. Under these cir-
cumstances it was far from his intention to do what
was totally uncalled for by any arguments that had.
been offered on the other side, namely, to enter
into any general distassion of this question,-
He believed it was the object of his Majesty's Minis-
ters to wear on' the patience of their opponents, and
to persist in offering no arguments in support of the
measure till- out of mere lassitude no opposition
should be made to it. However paradoxical it might
appear, this Bill was likely to creep on till it became
part of.the law of the land, merely because the ob-
jections to it were never answered. UpOn the pre':ent
occasion be should make no further obsetvations
upon this most tyrannical and execrable measure, dn.
so he should never cease to call it, but he should
proceed to move that it be an instruction to drieCom-
mittee of the whole House to receive ank consider
Certain clauses, which might in some degtee mitigate
its effects. As this was a Bill to.continue and atr.end
the 56th Geo. 111. no amendment could be received
in the Committee ; the only course., open to him,
therefore, was to move an instruction to enable the
Committee to consider these Amendments, and if it
were consistent with the forms and placer:l.ns of
the House, he should move also that the words of
the Amendments be put upon the Journals of the
House, as an appeal to posterity against this most
unconstitutional measure. His first Amendment re-
lated to the appeal of the Privy Council. In the Alien
Bill of 1814, a sort of appeal was given, by which
the Privy Council was enabled to consider any ex-
cuse offered on the part of the Alien ; but as .it bad
been held that the Alien could neither examine wit.-
' nesses Dor be heard by Counsel, the clause was in
effect a mere nullity, and a mockery upon the person
aggrieved. The object of his first Amendment,
therefore, was to enable the Mien to defend himself
against any charges which might be made against
him, either in person or by. Ctinneel, and to examine
witnesses before the Privy Couneil for that purpose.
The second claw which he had to propose, would
put the sincerity of his Majesty's Ministers to the test,
'since he.presumed the object of this was to give an
extraordinary power to Government, to enable them
toprotect the country against .the machinations of
dangerous persons ; and since it was not pretended
that the measure applied to foreigners of whose
pacific character and intentions no doubt could be
entertained, his next clause went to protect men of
this character froth the operatibn of the Bill—to
exempt foreigners who had given every pledge of
attachment to the country, and of obedience to tbdi
laws, which the possession of property, and the most
unexceptionable conduct could give—(Hear,
The clause would exempt all foreigners who had set-
tled in this country before 1814. He had chosen that
period as a test and criterion of honesty, because the
clause would not extend to Napolionists or Jacobins
who did.not leave France before that period, nor to
any' class of men who could be supposed to be de-
sirous of disturbing the peace of the country. It
would effectually exclude all whq were likely to agi-
tate the tranquillity of the country from protection;
land whom, on the other hand, would.it exempt from
the operation of the Bill? It would exempt mere
chants of great fortune and character—it would ex 4
empt numerous families of the highest respectability—
it would exempt ingenious artists, useful and peace-
able.artitans;.whOse time and talents were devotee
-not more to their own advantage than to the benefic
and prospetity*, of the country. The third clause-,
which it was intention to propose, was Of -Still
-greater importance, and one to which. he would take
the liberty of soliciting some ittentitin -from every
Member of the House. It bad refertnie to a subject,
the discussion of which he haddeeply lamented, and
upon which, for many -reasons, he end' hitherto
abstained from making a single iibiervationi prin-
cipally because he wished to Ole:aerie that tem-
per,• which it was so highly necessary to maintain
in a proceeding where the House _might be called
upon to exercise its judicial functioni;—(Hear, heat).
t was most important that the character of
•House shotihl not be brought into Suspicion., or

Eamon, complaining that the Bank otinglend bed available* be added. -between
a ass invention of bb for the prevandon offaligety, without the artiing ,of the
giving his any nsmoneredon,4.4l4 us th
Th at'll:de. the jtabk. of layimg
lir. NOWT HERON aided Kole aere, that lb under-
attiodiar wain mows. forwsose anedmids. sposka were of a- 11311
bad imbed his warrant, now in iamb* of the lininant g Mouth of November
dumb sod that witnesses who had been sannoora voardsooses not less
by I* HbimQverela atpindance: He should more, *Tint the blacks other arms