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'tripes*" iiriththeptifprietyOr acceding to that Protest. 1 The SPkAXER called the attendee aft wpm iii a* de.
Mr. Wareustax-rhis meeting, as appears by the i eutnarance of persons who opposed Private Ws, k!sping back
oppsisltion teen s few days or the RePOrt being made*
Is mice Which I hold in my hands —[he here. read the 1 'herr
li ?lough Bills hale been known to .be lhiree moiatiss before tbo
notiee given as above,) was called for no Such deb- great expeoce the other parties, and which ear.
r,ite purgose; it was called generallyi'and therefore i cerns7:iice iveould probably call Dm sante regulation in the ease-
, to think Of a clandestine decision, was a high and ag- ' IngSeukm-
gravated insult upon the great body of our fillow- assets= ivaxii. •
, c-itizens. This notice was sent round yesterday', abd i her. C. DUNIiAS said; it was his intentlbn to hrlrig forward a
diet these gentlemen have the hardihood to tel you, I motion
n orrtphe:tAinsffk
the grievance and oppression
h attending the col:
that it was to ctinvene a meeting for the purpose of ' the Chancellor of the Exchequer had taken The rtaidhbjeeetunudnedrer his
protesting against a decision which did not take place I consideration.
until this day, and of whose Resolutions they were of 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he had
deha Bill on the subject, which he would bring forward
course, ignorant !—[Cries of Hear ! Hearn—This I be
wifore him
mwooruld
.recoinmend it to the House, if no
device has failed—the stratagem has recoiled upon its t tab- -theic-wwtas p y,711 e
likely to meet the approbation of the
authors! and, feeling as Ido the high indignity of- House,
fered by the attempt upon the character of the Citi- Mr. ORENFELt, said, be would wait until the Bill was intro.
zens of London, it is my duty this night to submit
, duced, and if he did not approve of it, he would submit a motion
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to this meeting certain Resolutions. I therefore move 4 to Ai House on the subject.
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you, Sir--
SPAIN. A short conversation took place between Mr. Sheridan and the
The CIIAIRPitAN expressed his determination to put Chancellor of the Exchequer, relative to Papers whichwere moved
no Resolution proposed by Mn Waithman. [Cries of ! for respecting the campaign in Spain. It concluded by Mr. She.
" Move him out of the Chair.Chair."], ridan
ditional 's giving noticetha that
subj ett he would on Tuesday next move for ad-
! Papers on t
Mr. Warrusiam—As his Worship Mr. Alderman i
C. Smith, whom I little expected to see acting such a 1 Mr. SHARPS EXCH.% \Gil OF PRISONFRI.
iven notice
observed that he had g part in such a place, has refused Caput the question I i
of a motion relative to the negoelation for exchange
was about to propose; I have now to move this meet- 1 of prisoners with France ; but as he understood that'
ing that he do leave the Chair, and that Mr. Nichol- I this was now on foot, and that many exertions were
son be pleased to take it. (Move, move.) The ques- 1
tion was then put and carried in the affirmative, by a making, with hopes of success, for the present he
majority.
• f withdrew it. •
Mr. Alderman SMITH continuing in his Chair, Mri
Ntenousox took the one opposite, and briefly stated;
that he felt fully sensible of the duty that Meeting
had imposed upon him, and hoped he would exercise
it to their satisfaction. He wished them to recollect,
that this assemblage of merchants, traders, and
bankers, as they styled themselves, made the alledged
turbulence of the Common Hallos the pretext for
this secret and concealed attempt to impose upon the
public. When, however, the vigilance of some part
of the Livery defeated the plot, in what manner did
these friends to order and decorum conduct them-
selves ? They endeavoured by uproar and by me.
'laces to prevent their artifices being exposed. Look
at them now, conscious of their defeat, getting into
corners and closets to procure signatures for that
which if they had ventured to bring before an As-
sembly legally and constitutionally convened (Hear I
hear I) they well knew would not for one single mo-
ment be listened to. Whatever Resolutions were pro-
posed, he felt it his duty to submit to the decision, and
to acquiesce in their will.
Mr. WatnistaN then proposed the following Reso-
lutions, which, being duly seconded, we carried
by acclamation. •
Resolved, That it appears that this Meeting was privately con-
vencd, with a view of counteracting the irocteedings of the Li-
ven' of London, this day legally and publicly convened in
Guildhall; and that such a measure is highly improper, and de-
serving of the reprobation of the Livery at large.
Resolved, That we do lithly approve of the Resolutions and
Petition this day agreed to at a Meeting of the Livery In Com-
mon Hall, respecting the extraordinary power assumed and ex-
ercised In the imprisonment of John Gale Jones and Sir Francis
Burdett, Bart. and the necessity of a Reform In Parliament.
Resolved, That Alderman C. smith, having refused to put the
goes; ion upon Resolutions repeatedly moved, has acted in a par-
tial and itnproper manner, and is not entitled to the confidence of
his fellow Citizens.
Resolved, That the 'Planks of this Meeting he given to Mr.
John Nicholson, for his highly meritorious conduct in the Chair.
The Protesters gradually retired into an adjoining
room, and signed the Resolutions advertised in the
front of this Paper, '

CRIMINAL LAWS.
Sid SAMUEL ROMILLY said, he rose for die
ptiipose of moving for a return of the males and fe-
males convicted of capital offences in England aal
Wales for the last three years, the number punisheJ,
and those enlarged, not including those committo t
for forgery and murder, as these were crimes to which
his Bill had no reference. It was important to kno.e
the fact, as not less than 4800 had been tOMITIitUi •
iu one year. Without any reference to his Bill, he
conceived it necessary that the House should be in
possession of the information, for the purpose of
knowing the state of morality and the state of the
police of the country. Information he understood o
the subject had been given by several Clerks of As.
size, and he was of opinion that there could be n
-difficulty in obtaining it from the remainder. Ht.
' deplored that his Bill on the subject of stealing ie
dwallingehouses miscarried, but it did not appe.tt tha:
the House was decidedly against it, as it war. lest
only by a majority of two. It did not appear to him
that it was thrown out on its merits, but bnett.e
Geetlemen did not approve of the doctrines he ad-
vanced. It was therefore his intention, eel:), in the
next Session, to move for leave to bring in a similir
bill He expressed his concern that the subject should
be considered a party question, and complained of the
thin attendance of Members when the merits of the
bill were discussed. It could not be said the subject
was of little importance, as it went to alter the cri-
minal law, whereby the lives of 7 or 800 indiv iJu ds
were involved. He concluded by moving,
" That an humble Address be pmented to his Majesty, that
bibs graciously pleased to order to be laid before the Hauge a
Return of the Males and Females conunitted to Gaol in Eauland
and Wales, during the years 1807, 1808, and 1809, distinguish.
ing the ci hues for which they were committed, dbtinguishinithe
number discharged by proelatnation, and the windier capitally
convicted and executed."
Mr. Secretary RYDER said he did not rise to ob.
ject to the motion, as he agreed with the Honotrrabie
and Learned Gentlemen that it was proper to have
every possible information on the subject. Every
pains hAd been taken to lay the ret urns befote the House
in the most perfect. state possible, hut he doubted
much whether it was possible to procure a correct re-
turn of what his Honourable and Learned Friend
required. It had been observed that there was an
uniformity of opinion among several of the Members
on the side of the House where lie sat, but surely the
same observations would apply to the Learned Gen-
tlemen and his friends; but yet he (Mr. Ryder) de.
nied that it was made by any means a party question.
Sir THOMAS TURTON agreed in the necessity
of a full attendance, which he hoped would be the
case when the Bill would be brought forward a se
cond tine.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed that he could not see any difficulty in the
Hen. Gentleman's having procured a large atten-
dance, in that case those who opposed it would not
, be likely to be in view ; any opposition he was coni-
dent was totally exempt from party spirit;
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY stated that the returns
alluded to bythe Secretary of State were not produced
on his motion, but were a long time in circulation.
The question was then put, and- the motion was
carried.

Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY gave notice, that he
would move on Monday for the returns of the con-
victs transported to New South Wales since 1805.

TRANSPORT SERVICE.
Mr. HUSKISSON in a few preliminary obierva.
Lions, stated that he wished the con.ideration .of the
Navy Estimates, which stood for Monday, might b.:
postponed, in consequence of his not being furnished
with certain papers He would now move' “ That
re be laid before the House, Accounts of the hired
Transports in the service, with their several tonnage.
Ike. specifying their stations and the number of sea•
men employed in navigating them."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
had no objection to the Motion • but with regard to
what his Honourable Friend had stated respecting the
postponement of the consideration of the Navy Esti-
mates, he did not see any particular reason for s )
doing. There had been an antecedent rote of
130,000 seamen which was now encrqs'ed to 145,000.
—On this subject he was convinced from the know-
ledge his Hon. Friend possessed in navy affairs, that
he would have all his arguments ready on Monday
when it was arranged to take these estimates Into
consideration, and those of the army on Wednesday.
Sir C. POLE wished to make a few observations
relative to the Navy. He thought it proper to vote
a sum equal to the maintenance of 15,000 men, if it
was intended that the service should not be injured.
One circumstance, in point of humanity, ought to
come under the inspection of the House : he alluded
I. those seamen on harbour duty, who, after a period
of 17 or.lB years service, were then obliged' to in•
dergo the severest labour among convicts. Front the
osier parts of the estimates, thi% vote would appear
unnecessary ; besides, it would be preferable to not
basse those men in the present aspect eE affairs. La.
France, many of whom have not been on shore shwa
the year 1795 ; a reduction IVIS absolutely

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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that all the Honourable Baronet's observations
respecting the increase of seamen were made with '
great propriety. The House, however, would con-
sider the extent to which it would vote. With re-
spect to the Army Estimates, as Monday and Friday
were occupied with notices, he wished them to be
brought forward•int Wednesday.
Mr. HUSKIS§9II3aid, that he could not be fully
prepared with arguments unless he obtained the Pa-
pers. He did not wish, however, to impede the pro-
gress of public business.
Mr. WILBERFORCE expressed his surprise that
there were no Estimates respecting the Docks at
Northfleet.—The question was then put, and the mo-
tion was agreed to.
Mr. CREEVEY rose, pursuant to notice, to move
*for certain Documents with regard to the late is 614-
li( n among the military at Madras ; and also with re-
ward to some transactions which took place last year
in the Court: at Madras, with which the Madras Go-
vernment was clinely connected.—The Honourable
'Member proceeded to comment upon the deplorable
consequences likely to result from the native troops
being witnesses to the mutiny and rebellion on the
part of the British Officers. He confessed that little
short of a miracle could have sustained our Empire
in India. His chief motive in bringing the business
lofOre the House was to ascertain, to the satisfaction
of the country, who were right and who were wrong,
in a contest of such serious moment. He would not
prejudge the question, he would not pass any prema-
ture opinion on the conduct of Sir George Barlow,
but he would say, that, be his conduct what it might,
however oppressive or unjust, it could not justify re-
bellion on the part of the military. The Honourable
Member then proceeded to detail the alledged ground'
of ,complaint against the Government of India :
first, with respect to the ,military insubordination ;'
Ain relation to the. abuses said to have prevailed
m the Judicial and Civil Department of Madras, He
stated, that it had been affirmed, that the Special
Jitry who bad decided upon the justice of the claims
of the Nabob of the Camatic, had been malevolently
persecuted, and: some of them punished, under the
pretence of transferring. them to distant stations. A
rOird ground of enquiry was the removal of Mr.
Petrie, who had been forty.four years Resident at,
Madras, and had been uniformly opposed to the Coun-
cils of Sir George Barlow. This was the more ntao
cessary to inquire into, as he believed. the Court of
Directors had divided equally upon that questioo.l
He appealed to the House, if it was unreasonable to
ask for information upon questions of such importance?
He then concluded with moving,
That there be laid upon the table of that House copies of all
the Correopondenee, between the Commander in Chief and Go-
vernor in Council of Madras, Mathis to din arrest of Lieutenant-
General Munro, VW the definitive authority of the Commander
in Chief in Cows Martial. °
Sir HENRY MONTGOMERY seconded the mo-
tion, and declared that there were practices common
in the Courts of Law ;in India, which, if attempted
here, would produce a revolution.
Mr. DUNDAS objected to the voluminous matter
referred to in the motion, and proposed to substitute
in its place a motion for the correspondence between
the Court of Directors, and the Commander in Chief
and Council, together with their reseective enclosures.
He said that the Government in India had only acted
under peremptory orders sentoutfrom this country. He
did not accuse the Officers of a deliberate intention
rebel. He believed they had not originally foresee!l the
calamitous consequences of their first step of ins t!bnr-
dination. He passed a high eulogium on Sir George
gorlow, to shoe undaunted firmness he attributed
the salvation of the British interests in India. He
thought it better we should• be without an acre in
India, than hold that territory .at the will of a been:
tioua soldiery. He very much questioned the sound-
ness of that cause that could resort to squibs, pasqui-
nades, in
.the newspapers, and paragraphs of such
description to support it. With respect to the corres-
pondence, the copies of which he proposed to move
far, he must except from that such private letters
as had been intercepted in the course of the re-
tellion by the stoppage of the mails ; many o' them
were:letters of a criminal nature ; but their publica-
tion Dow could only do individual harm without
working any public good. He vindicated the per-
sisns who acted as Commissioners upon the Carnatic
Claims ' • and said that in the case of Mr. Petrie, the
Court had not decided.so much in exclusion of him
who had all along opposed the councils of the Gover,
nor, as in preference of others who had acted with him.
Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON was anxious
for the production of every information upon a sub..
ject of such importance.
Sir JOHN ANSTRUTHER. from the experience
of 8 years personal intimacy, bore testimony to the'
firmness, justice, temper, and moderation of Sir G.
parlow•
Sir THOMAS TURTON did not deny Sir G.
Barlow firmness, but thought thew might yet be a'
question eihether that firmness hadTeenlaudably ex-
erted.. His Majesty's Ministers, for instance,
ted great firmness ; but it was in obstinately resisting
and insulting the wishes of the people.
Mr. GRANT was astonished that Gentlemen
could be hurried inter such unjustifiable vehemencei
as to prejudge the case before the proper documents,
upon which alone their opinions could be justly fun-
ded, were before them. He passed a warm etilooium
upon the character and conduct of Sir G. Barlow.
Mr. GRENFF.I.I. and Mr. ISDELL spoke in support of
the propriety of bringing the question before 14May.
ment. •
Mr: PETER MOORE called the attention* of
Gentlemen to this one fact, that Sir George Barlow i
had, on taking upon him the Government of Mailras,
found there one of the best-disciplined and most loyal
armies of any in the Einpire. What had since fallen
out was but tOO neterioul. Thum very army had at
that period received the- Thaokanf the-House for
baviag added another worldps their Empire.
• Mr. LUSHINOTON cOnlcl'not help thinking,
that the conduct of Sit Petattlarlow had beeli un_
necessarily hOrsh•
• Ml, CREEVEY then chordy replied, and stated,
that with orspect•to aqoihs and pamphleteering, the.
Goirertier bad had hie .parnphleteerqag at this side of
the .water, whose prodnetion had first merited his
close atteotiop togitibject.. He agreed, however,
Mr. Dendeo's twit, and the 'notion for the
spendence betyreen the Court and the Governor
Ct paci!f !ma thaii Po* 430 PoTted fro! (Pa!

THE EV MN I NG STA It

IiQNDON.

SATURDAY, MAY 7.

PRICE OF STQCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
per C. Cone money, 700—acc. 704/..
Rod. 614i--4 per Cent. 84 pus. Cent. Navy 1001.•
Exch. bills, 7a. to 144. preme—Bonds, Us. 24115. pre.

Yesterday morning his MAJESTY, the Duke of KENT,
and the_ Princesses AUGUTA and SOPHIA, accompa-
nied by the Marquis CORNWALLIS, Lady COLLIER,
Generals GWY NNE and Ft rznov,and Colonel TAYLOR,
took their usual airings in Vl/47indsor Great Park.
Sir Jona Mumma is appointed Governor of
Newfoundland.

Admiral DO?4ET and Captain MoonsoM Qo out of
;he Admiralty with Lord MtacnA.vz, The. Hon.
SII4VEV YoaKi and Capt. HOPI/ will succeed them.

Wednesday last, the degree of Doctor in Civil Law
was conferred by the University of Oxford, in full
convocation, on his Royal Highness the Prince of
WA r. En. It was resolved that the diploma he pre-
sented to4tis Royal Highness by the Chancellor, in
the name of the University.
A ye-sel has arrayed from Embden, which left that
port on the 29th ult. The French military were so
numerous in the neighbourhood that it hnd become
necessary to quarter them on the inhabitants of the
place, the public edifices being insufficient for their
accommodation.
Tluirsdify-sennight a very fine statue of his Me-
JEST), was .erected in the centre of Pot tland-square,
I)listed, in imihneninration* of his having attained thq

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