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London, England, 1820-02-19 00:00:00

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but, about five et,aitc years ago, a ,olurninpas• and
elaborate Repart*ad been presented on the subject,
when the Civil Lis,. was placed upon a kotinz eh-
tireiv new ; a id at that time it was said, liar, all dif-
ficulties h id been removed as to any future discus-
!ion of the matter. Now, however, they were told
o;,ut i; wonld take up a considerable time, and was
by no means, to he easily disposed of.' Why net a
si:scitic sum on the aggregate fund, on t'..;s as on all
fcanwr occasions? What objection was there to it?
The Lord said, there would be an inconve.
Die co. but the whole business might be gone
thro h before Parliament was dissolved. Why not
do s., ' It was. indeed, said to be inconvenient to
Gentlemen to leave the country at this time, but in
the month of May it would be no less inconvenient.
There would be then thrown on the latter part of the
Session Nyloat ought to have been done before Easter ;
and then there were the Assizes, which would be
then going en. He (Mr. Tierney) was confident there
was some reason for this proceeding, more than was
ackauwledged. As for his own part, he could wish
the House was to be dissolved to-morrow ; but then
he had a public duty to perform, and he was willing
to sacrifice his pleasure to that duty. He could not,
ti.erefoie, see the propriety of departing from• the
established custom; besides, nothing had been said
about a grant. He wished to know if there was to
be any grant?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said there was.
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that ought to be settled
first ; they ought to know whether it was to be a
Vote of Credit, or for the Session.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that their was to be a vote for a grant of payment of
the Civii List to the 25th of April.

Mr. TIERNEY said he should be very glad if any
Cutlet:lan could state what' there was to prevent
them following the course of voting a certain sum.
Nothing happened to make an alteration of that sum
necessary, unless it was that certain burdens were
removed by the death of his late Majesty. This con-
duct was. unaccountable. He could not but imagine
from it, that there was something or other which the
Civil List would bring forward more than he was
awal e of. It was no reason to give, that the minds
of Gentlemen were full of new elections, and were
occupied with nothing hilt colours, cockades, and
returning office's. Such a reason could not prevent
hint iiom protesting against this new measure.—
They ought not to depart from the accustomed
inn ,by %%inch they received an acknowledgment
from the Crown that it had no means of defraying
the expense of the Royal Household without the
appointment of Parliament. There was another
measure of the Noble Lord which ought not, at pre-
sent, to be kept out of view. He meant the vote a hich
authorized the raising of 11,000 men in tne early
phi t or the fiesent Session. • Th:tt was done when
the country wa, represented to oe in such a state of
danger that people could i.ot sleep in their beds, but
there was no Gentleman so much alarmed at present
as to a 1 as terror to interfere with hi, comforts.—.
Indee, ti ere could be no sounder sleepers than•the
mass his Majesty's subjects at present (A laugh).
Why was this additional force of 11,000 risen
to be kcpt up to the `'2sth of June, when there could,
be no chance of a full attendince of Parliament?—
The Noble Lord had indeed said he would bring it
on ea: her. He might shake his head, buf that could
not 'flake him less disposed to believe that reasons
would occur to the Noble Lord, in the course of the
Sesion, which would make delay necessary. The
Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by repeating his
declara:ion on the necessity of voting a specific sum
for the Civil List.

Lord CASTLEREAGH, in reply, disavowed
being actuated by any latent motives in the couise
which he had adopted. vts to the Civil List, he said
the vote for granting the payments to the 25th of
April, ought to satisty the Right Hon. Gentleman,
if his opposition. was founded on a principle of Con-
stitutional jealousy, as that vote recognized the
power of the House, in the fullest sense, on the sub-
ject of the support of the Royal Household. At a
more tavola-able time the House could enter into
those becoming and liberal arrangements with re-
gard to the Royal Estaolishment, which it had never
been in the habit of refusing to the Sovereign. It
was to avoid the embarrasments which must inevit-
ably ensue to the proceedings of the Ilouse, on the
grounds which he had stated, that he propo3ed the
present measure. He knew no other reason for it
than what he had already expressed.
Mr. TIERNEY. explained. The Noble Lord had
stated, that the settlement of the Civil List would be
attended with great difficulty at this moment. He
(Nlr. Tierney) would meet this by saying, that he did
not wish for the immediate entertainment of that
question. He wished that Parliament should. be
caheJ upon to vote only so much as was necessary
until t'he final settlement of the Civil List, and that
the extraordinarrtxpenses belonging to that depart-
ment should be voted from time to time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that the Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to for-
get the arrangement which was made by the Act of
17:33. He was ready to admit that the collection of
that part of the Hereditary Revenues to which the
Right Hon. Gentleman had alluded, might be legal ;
but, at the same time; they might-not be legally ap-
plicable to their former objects. So much of the
Revenues as were now applicable those objects,
did not, as the House must. be aware, amount to
more than five or six hundred thousand pounds. It
was his intention to move, next Monday, for a grant
en account of the Civil List ; and he intended further,
that such grant should be for the period of a quarter.
Ile assured the House, that. by thu proposed arrange-
ments, no additional burdens would be placed on the
; but that, on the contrary, a great saving
would take plaCe. As to the Act for embodying a
new force, it should be remembered, that the forces
svlii,ll had been raised: by virtue of such Act were
disembodied, and that the Act gave only a power to
be exercised at discretion. As the continuance of
such all Act could not be objected to oa the ground
of economy, or of censtitatiolyal principles, he. should
move for a Bill to continue it. The only vote of
Supplies that would be necessary, was • one for
S:500,000, in addition to what had been alteady,
votes as necessary ; and he was surethe House would
hear with pleasure, that far the 'payment of
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