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measure wad opposed, the present resolutions of the Honourable
Member (Mr, Western) could nut be agreed to, fur they were
more. opposed to the principles adopted by the late hlinisters,
than even the distorted and mutilated Bill, the loss of which,
they proposed to supply...(liter, hear, hew). He should give
his support to the Resole:ions of the Right Honourable Gentle-
man' which entertained as much good as could be expected at
this Lite period of the Sessioo If there needed any confirmation
of which bed been the mind io the late Mini.try, if there
was any thing wanted to mark out the great and splendid distinctiou
between those who left and these who remained in favour, that dif-
ference would now be fully recognised by the whole body of the
people—(l..mi cheers.)
After a few words from Mr. 0. CAVE.

Mr. WESTERN replied.—lt might be proper, and he did not
deny it, to adopt the Right Hon. Gentleman's resolutions, but they
did not answer his proposition. In conclusion, be begged to say,
that he thought it always more satisfactory to divide the House,
but, on the present occasion, he should defer to an opinion he had
beard expressed by tithe's, and leave the matter as it was. Those
who had supported his motion might, if they thought fit, divide the
House; and whatever might be tfie result, he should sit down,
conscious that be had done his duty in bringing the subject for.
ward—( Hear, bear r)
Mr. CANNING rose.—" I shall trespass pa the is-
clulgence of the House for a few minutes, :to- •seply to
the only objection I have heard advanced to the Reso-•
lutions I have had the honour of proposing. My answee
to the only objection I can recollect will be brief—but
I beg to begin by replying to a question that has been
put to me by an Hon. Gentleman opposite. He asks
me whether -I do not think it right to protect the agri-
cultural interest ? I do consider that the agricultural
interest ought to be protected, aye, and that above
every other interest. Soth is the bounden duty o
this House—(Hear,. hear.) But I also consider, that
the course of legislation pursued for some years past
has not been to the permanent interest of the agricul
wrists. The mistaken views that had obtained, and the
erroneous notions that were acted upon, in the period I
allude to, are in no instance more flagrant—not that I
mean to cast blame on these who committed these mis
takes, and it was by accident that I did not partici-
pate in the acts which led to them—but the erroneous
nations that they acted upon, appears, in no instance,
more flagrant than iu the operation of the Acts of
1822. Can any man look to the consequences of
these Bills and say. they have not been most
grievous to the • agricultural interest ? I must also
say, that I consider the Bill now before the House
of Lords, calculated, had they been pleased to adopt
is, to afford mote secure protection to that interest,
than any other measure whatever that has hitherto
been proposed professing to-have that object in view.—
I consider, that it was calculated to redact that which, of all
effects, I should consider most dedrable, sot highness or lowness, but
steadiness of puree—(Cheers). I consider that it was calculated to
guird against these ruinous !emotions which, ince the Billet
1115, havepressed with alternate but equal violent° on, as they are
called, the two conflicting interests, which I say, are not conflicting
but creamiest interests—lectuatisos, which, In times of plenty,
eaused.alarni ; and, fa times of scarcity, aggravated the misselee
of fanthie. The adoption of the Bill in the Home of lards
would hale gone a greater way to curb those evils aid
their recurrence, than any, which, in my memory, orb tWZ.
all I have conversed with on the subject, has yet been presented
to the amelderation of Parliament. It was upon that ire
and not front any undue partiality for a particular plan, that
originally gave my concurrence to the Bin that passed this Houserj
And I beg to inform the House, that, unless I find reason to alter
my present opinion, it is something very like that Bill which will
receive my app* c 5.. The principle of the measure that will receive
my support will to make the Corn Trade, instead of a seri& of
successive' and experinvoise, is make it to the Items
trader, at mane I mess the grower, and aurelp trader, or importer,
Indeed el hobs mutually ruinous, to make ft mutually a matter of
convenience—to mak it, in short, t trade which would assist, and
be beneficial to both, and at the sane than be conformable to the its-
tercets of the country at large. Such are the grounds on which I
shall approve a Bill, and such ought to be the grounds, and those
only, as which Parliament should grant its sanction to any
measure whatever connected with the trade in oorn. An Hon.
Gentleman has asked another question, which I shall answer. He
asks, whit is the difference between prohibition and a prohibitory
duty ? and says he cannot see any. Bet it is different in the corn
trade, as it would be in any other trade, and no man tenni propose
to prohibit any other trade without immediately being convicted of
abserdity. The difference between prohibition and a prohibitory
duty Is this—where the trade is not actually prohibited, but is al-
lowed, under certain restrictions, it never will become.totally
stagnant; there will aiwaysge more or lees of speculation in it,
which will keep it alive; but If the trade be altogether prohibited,
the consequence would be, that in time of scarcity there would be
no supply, and. afterwards, we should be °yellowed, when mo.
derate supply would be mischievous. A duty would not prevent
capital being employed in a trade; nor would it apply such irre-
sistible stimuli as would be afforded by a scarcity after a prohibi-
tion. That is the difference between the effects of prohibition and
prohibitory duty. When once a steadiness of price is introduced,
that temptation to extravagint speculation, rai'ed by what took
place in 1516 and 1519, when both grower and consumer were
ruined,wili be taken away. These are my answers to the questions
that have been put to me. I now proceed to reply to the only objec-
tion I have heard to the resolutions I proposed to substitute instead
of those of the Hon. Mover. It is asked, why I do not introduce a
permanent Bill? That, Sir, was a point I avoided, as I did not wish
to subject myself to the necessity of applying myself to it. But
the questiou has been asked, and I shall reply to it. I know no
reason why I should hold one language within the walls of this
House, and another out of them; but it I were out of them, I
should answer fairly, that it was because there existed in the Wier
.House of Parliament a deep-rootaspirit to reject whatever Bill of
that soil the House of Commons might think fit 'to mend up.—
(Loud and king cheering).—ls there any man, either out of or In
this House,who will lay his hand eo his heart and say, that he believes
no such spirit to Wet ?—( Hear). I have convertediwith men of all
parties in the House, and they have all seen it and agreed with me in
opinion. Some did it in lamentatioo, others in indignation and eager,
and some again in triumph. Out of this House the same opinion pre.
vgiii, and not a sinile man that I conversed with but what seemed
convinced that the hundred and thirty-three voters for a certain
amendment, were guided by no bond of sympathy beyond a disin-
terested conviction of the advantage to be derived from the course
they put sued—( Laughter). I have conversed with these who walk
the streets—(continued hughtew)--and never yet have found one
who was convinced, that the coincidence of these votenrWas per-
fectly a matter of chauce—( Laughter). I, for one, aim convinced,
from the correspondence produced by my Right Honourable
Friend, that the Duke of Wellington was satisfied as to the
result of his amendment,, and, also, that he considered he was
doing his country a service by the course he was pursuing;
but, looking to all the circumstances, I cannot help thinking,
that even so great a man as the Duke of Wellington has
been something like an instrument in the hands of otisers—(Loud
cheering). There are several instances of such things happening in
other times to as great men as the Duke of Wellington—(Cheers).l
Many circumstances lead me to this conclusion. Amendments which
preceded that of the Noble Duke bad paved' the way for him ; I
believe, unconsciously to himself. Certain words were omitted in'
the fiat clause of the Bill, without which, the Amendment of the,
Noble Duke could not have been mooted. When, I say, I tee these
ad other tale circumstances I cannot help thinking there was'
some master hand which directed the movements of the various
machintry by which the object was attained. Treat that surmise
is correct I have no doubt ; for else it would not have been pos-
sible to have gut together voters so discordant on every other
subject to agree upon a point which every impartial person must
concede to be any taint but advantageous to the professed object
of the Bilk- We do not, theterure,• propose to bring forward any
permanent pleasure. In honesty, I am bound to make that answer
to questions put to me. But 1 have no doubt that whatever tempo-
rary ilthistun may eau upon this questiun, that it will pass away
in the course of another Session of Parliament, and.that that in
particular an the clause which has been under discussion to-
- [debts-will tint stand In our way, as it wily be discussed out of
doors, and its true nature be made to be understood by the country.

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'House will thell be prepared to acquiesce
that that which-4114km difficult -eta
I sit down, I beg to say that any allusions
Dukeof Wellington, have hesamade fn no'
I am satisfied that however much we may
Is clause, and that he overvalues it, I think'
thought by was acting rightly. In conch'.
hese I am better advised than at present, the
_ ,t forward next Session shall be the same in
principle, and tend is the saute objet, and I trust in Goo it may be
under the same advantages as the Bill of this Sessiou—(Cheers).
The House then divided, when there appeared—
Fur the original Motion .
For Mr. Canning's Amendment • 9.38
Majority —lB6
The Cushman then reported progress, the House resumed, and
'Ow Rayon was ordered to be taken into further consideration to-
morrow. .
The Souorron-Gotznat. moved the third reading of the Mesne
Process Bill; but after a few objections expressed by Mr. Hos-
nous', totteented to postpone the third reading till to-morrow.

The question, that the other Orders of the Day be now read,
having been put by the S ea,
Mr. HEATHCOTE moved as as Amendment, to leave out all
the words before now, and insert the Coventry Magisuates Bill.
The House divided on the Amensiment
Ayes . 94
Noes - 7i
Majority - —25
The House consequently proceeded to the third reading of
the Bill.
Mr. FILER opposed the Bill, and moved it be read this day
three months.
Lord W. RUSSELL objected ti the principle of the Bill.
Mr. BARRETT opposed it.
Lord RA NCLIFFE supported the amendment.
Mr. VAN HOMRIGH said the gill was not founded on any'
principle of ustice, law, or equity.
Lord SANDON deakd that the Bill bad been brought In to in-
terfere with chartered rights. It was a measure, to correct abuses
which had se long disgraced the city of Coventry.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL could not. see any comfits-
desist tight involved la the Bill. Great excesses had been commit-
ted in the city of Covenery and the House had a right to apply a
Irytisladve remedy.
. Lord W. Russets explained. •
Mr. PEEL opposed the BUL He did not think the remedy an
efficient one. This appeared sufficiently from the instance of Not.
tingham, where a similar remedy bad been tried without producing
the desired effect. It must be recollected that this measure went to
confer on the Magistrates of Warwick, Officers appointed by the
Crown, a power of levying money on the people of Coventry.
Lord SANDON explained.
Dr. PHILLI MORE supported the
Mr. STANLEY spoke in favour of the Bill.
Mr. PEEL explained.
Mr. G. BANKES opposed the Bill. He thought the remedy
much too extensive for the evil
Mr. W. WYNN said, that unless the House was pri-pared to
support this measure, he saw no means of preventing the recurrence
of riots at Elections for Coventry.
Lord LOWTHER opposed the Bill.
The House then divided—
A yes
Noes

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. SS

Majority for the Third Reading —lO
Lord LOWTHER proposed a claim, the object of which was to
,give jurisdiction to the County Magistrates only, from the issuing of
the writ for the election of Members to the return of the same.
After a few wards from Mr. Secretary Bourn, Mr. Catmea,
Lord Rancures, and Mr. Sacs, the House divided.—
Noes
03 . I
—ll

Ayes
Majority against the Claw

. The 8111 was theiposied.
The SPHAIRE informed the How that Thebes Flanagan
was in the custody of the Serjant-at.....rans.—He was owlet ed to be
brought to the Sr to. row (this day).
The ether Wars of the Day were disposed of, and the Howse
adjourned at Taus eCioct.
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reached that place where one of thou kitairests prevailed, and wilts ()shier entetadigetitt also be
a generous principle ought to prevail, that *wishes and the bop" of **and, 1 have Do tittsbl
the canary would be gratihed—(Cheers). It wet not his desire Dor tliittly bloat. Before s
his intention to inquirohywhat tostructutinditythosehoiaesandwillsel I tray haett:stade to the Du'
bad been disappointed,-(Hear)—but he though( that if his Ms. sphit of bostitity to Itirn,as I
laity's ?airliners had out refused to go on With • Bill upon which differ as to the value of his
there had been installed a clause subversive of its character, prin- will be shortly teen, be yet ti
ciple, and Intended operation, they would not have been entitled to non I beg to say, that unless
the praise they deserved —( Dear). If, in another place, the late measure that is brought fur