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4Theo was eonsequentlf:he his opinion no remake
--ndment moved by his Noble Fund, anti!
bound to give it his opposition.
el of COVENTRY reliamuch on the ife.
of his Royal Highness the Prince of Wiles, and
ill'eeele :,at power :night safely be intrusted in his
.is, and therefore vets in &vonr of the amendment.
'l'ho Marquis of STAFFORD contended, that in
, the present question, all personal consider:a-
ti ns s'inuld be kept out of sight. There were car.
crmtances in which restrictions might justly be con.
,:ered as necessary. Such were, the circumstances
el 1 1,.
• -cc;• %t "er' Noble Lord must feel how different
were the circumstances of that period from those of
(:resent. We were then at peace, we were now
at war with almost all Europe. The King's age was'
also a circumstance that must now strike every► one.
Hii Majesty had reached a period .of life which the
generality of mankind do net attain. The restric-
tions to be imposed now on the Regent should not
be measured on the rule of those Which it might have
been proper to impose in 1789.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he would not
hesitate to repeat what he had said on a former occa-
sion respecting the period of the limitations and re-
strictions, and the probability of the time when it
might be expected that his Majesty should be reco-
vered.
Whether the period was counted from the Ist 1
November or the lit January was immaterial as to i
the probability of the King's recovery. On the oc-
casein to which allusion had been made. he had stated
no opinion on that point; he only entered his protest
against the mierences which were then drawn from-,
what he had said. Such inference he should ever dis-
regard, taking always for the rule of his conduct
what he conceived to be his duty. By that alone',
demie he be guided, even were he to differ in opinion
lean every man with whom the was accustomed to
act. hie had never acted without consulting the Phy-
sicians ; but if he saw itethaellifs' daft* act in Oppo:-
si:ion to that neinion, he wotdd.thinit himself bound'
so to act. He did not know ,what the nature of the
crime of that m in would be who did not actaccoed.
lee to his conscience, and in allegiance to his King.
As to the opinions of the Physiciansoh certain points,
he would not-be much influenced by them. In these
ors:sec:s they were as ignorant as any man who was
not of the medical profession ; and. they were ready
to acknowledge the uncettainty,of all medical prog-
nostics. They Would not.therefore pronouece any
ceruin opinion as to the precise period of his Maks-
tes recovery. And were they slid to say his Ma-
jesty's recovery would be speedy, or if they said it.
would not be Speedy', the authority on either side
would have no weight with him. He would not
believe the prediction on that authority. Of this,
however, he was convinced that there was now a
very material amendment in the state of his Ma-
jesty's health. This-he believed upon his salvation,
and if he were called upon to render an account of
it, he would ultimately say, there Was a most mate-
rial amendment in his Majesty's case. But now to
the question. What should be the restrictions, if
any, and for period of time should they be laid
on the Regent ? J all the powers of the Crown were
to be conferred on the' Regent, it would be immate-
rial whether the period was to be tiU the Ist of Au-
gust or the Ist of February; but the propriety of the
latter period grew out of the very. principle of the
restrictions. Much was said 'about third.; ..uece be.
tween the case of 1788 and the presenta but he had
heare nothing that justified the distiqction, as to the
line to be pursued on the present occasion. Though
he should differ from all the world, still he would
hold to his trim opinion, because it was an opinion
which he had maturely and conscientiously formed.
Whatever might be the conjectures of the physicians
as to the precise pniqt of tnne of the King's reco-
very, they could say nothing positive and certain ; as
weli might they attempt to say, a Let there be light"
on the Royal mind, " and there was light." He
was ready to admit, thatell the prerogatnen of the
Crown were for the good of the people, and he still
trusted they would be exercised again byhisMajesty.
Earl GREY observed, that if principle upon
which the Noble Lords opposite him professed to act
tpon, were to be the guide of the-Mouse, they might
adopt this particular, as well es the general restric-
tions. But he, who regarded the whole system as
injurious to the country, as injurious to the Monar-'
chy, and injurious to the Monarch, for whom the
Noble and Learned Lord professed such a solicitous
attachment, would unreservedly declare what were
his sentiments ; and in so doing, he would trust to
the H .use, and trust to their country, who he hoped
would see that he performed his duty, even at the t isk
of his character. That duty compelled him, to rise
and arraign the Noble and Learned Lord, for the
conduct he had pursued, a conduct which he would
describe by no less a name thin • that of treasone.—
The Noble and Learned -Lord asked a what would
be the nature of the crime of that man who would
act against l.is conscience, and in defiance of the elle-
giaece which he owed to his Sovereign He would
answer by putting another question to the Noble and
I.earded Lord, and he would ask, what would be
the character of the crime comnsittefl by the man,
who, when the King's incapacity to exercise the
It,,yel Functions, was known...unwed. and proved,'
could come down to that House, and declare,l
th..t there was no suspension of the Royal Authority,
and who would put the Great Seal to Acts when he
was not authorised so to do He would net hesitate
to say that the crime of such a men was that of tree.'
Eon to the country and the Constitution. He would
not impute tiny motive to the Noble and Learned •
.Lord, hut such as he thought his conduct *should be
.'hided by ; :nit when he talked of the speedy reco:
'try of his Majesty, and next said that • the period of
recovery was indifferent to the question, he spoke
I tng:i tge which to him was wholly unintellitea,
o would contend that the Noble and Learned
a,d expressed no opinion, at least he did not explain
:Le that opinion was. He wished, if the Noble 'and
,ear;;•,.l Lord had not said that he looked to his
iee:sees speedy recovcry,'that he would repeat it,
n(1 ~swrt that he did not give such an opinion.—
e as desirable to know what he said, and what
ht 1h opinion, it he had any; but instead of ex-
;lle a, the Noble and Learned Lord ran off,
refeavoured to escape in some fine declama. The Noble and -Learned Lord seems to pay
tt!r or no respect to the bpinions of the Physicians ;
ov itl give no Credit to [belle Opilllolll6 =lei! thelrass
c.,,iLurrence of his conscience. Yet that same Noble
..earned Lord had stated, On a Eoznser occasion,

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:chit the physie;ans were the bent able tore aft opie
nano in these matters, and on the faith of their opt.
roost gave their Lordships to understand that there
was reason to expect his Majesty's early and speed/.
tocovery.—..(The Lord Chancellor here rote, and de•
nied that he had ever used the words early or speedy
_recovery). Lord Grey wished the Noble and Learned
Laird would not interrupt him, but set him right when
he had concluded his speech. That the Noble and
Learned Lord h..d used the terms speedy recovery,
he would again repeat ; and for the accuracy of the
assertion, he would refer to the recollection of their
Lordships. Must they not recollect that it was on
the expectation of a speedy. recovery, that the Noble
and Learned
.Lord and colleagbes had prevailed
on the House io adjouen for a fortnight ? He wished i
the Noble and Learned Lord would now state to the
llouse what new light it 11411 which had so broken in
upon him, as.te induce him to depart from what he
had so confidently stated on more than one occasion.
But the Noble end Learned Lord now assures the
House, that a mist material amendment has taken
place in his Majesty's health. Upon what, authority
does he make that statement ? Not from the opinion
of the physicians, for which he has such little respect,
but from the bias of his own mind and the dictates of
his own conscience. Before, however, the House
gives implicit belief to that assertion however agree-
able, should it prove true, they should have some
!better authority than that of the Noble and Le:uned
Lord. He, for one, must have some better audio.,
city fox thejact. He must be convinced of the King's',
perfect and complete recovery. Nothing less should 1
satisfy that House. Their Lordships surely would
not do their:day if they permitted the Royal Sceptre j
to passim° other hands ; and during the moral inca-
pacity
of the *Monarch, the Royal Functions to he
exercised by Mieiaters in the name of the King.— ,
Nothing should deter him from watching and inves-1
tigating the conduct of the Noble and Learned Lord;
though he must say, GOD grant what he had now
told the House respecting the King's amendment
may prove true. The Noble Lord says that he will
not invite, neither will he shrink from an investiga-
tion into his conduct. This was not saying very
much. For if it be brought forward, how can the
Noble and Learned Lord shrink from it ? that, how-
ever, he may have every opportunity fully to explain
himself, and leave nothing ambiguous in the language
in which the accusation is brought against him, he
(L6rd Grey) would now openly inform the House,
that in the years 1801 and 1504., that Noble and
Learned Lord had used the King's name and
perfdrnsed the Royal Functions, at a time when
there is evidence that the King laboured under a
disorder similar to the present, and when the Royal
Authority was necessarily suspended. In 1801 a
commission was tent to that House ; councils
*ere held, at which his Majesty had presided ; a
change had taken place in the Administration, an
expedition was sent out of the country, and all this at
a time when the King was afflicted as he is at pre-
sent. At that time, he, in another place, called on a
Noble Viscount for an explanation of what was going
on ; and the Noble and Learned Lord had been called
upon in that House for a similar explanation. At
first they declined giving any satisfactory answer,l
and when called upon a second time, they declared,
, that there was no suspension of the Royal Authority.
` Yet it now appears, from the evidence of Dr. Heber-
den, that from the 12th day of February, to the 23d
day of April, the King was not in a state to perform
the Royal Functions—that notwithstanding a number
of acts of the Royal Authority had been performed
within that interval. On the 9:h of March a commis-
sion was signed, by which the Royal assent was given
to several Bills I and on the sth of March the Chan-
cellor took the Royal pleas\ure respecting some pur-
chase of land for his Royal Highness the Duke of
York. Here then were the highest matters of State
carried on at a time when it is mired his Majesty
had not completely recovered, mid when he was not
in full possession of his moral capacity. If an Attor-
ney had advised his client while in such a situation to
make and sig,n a will, how would the Noble and
Learned Loma have treated him when the case came
' before him in his Court of Chancery? And were these
not serious violations of the Constitution ? and was im-
mediate and solid provision to he made against the re-
currence of such evils for the future ? Was it not
now, moreover known, that on the 10th of June of
the same year Dr.Symonds still attended his Majesty,
and that cyen his assistants had the power of controul
over the lang's person ? Will then their Lordships
suffer the Lord Chancellor, or the Lord High Ste-
ward, or any set of Great Officers of State, thus to
assume and exercise the Royal Authority, when it is
proved that at the moment of such assumption anj
exercise, the King was not in possession of his moral
capacity? These abuses he was anxious to lay open
to their Lordships as soon as possible, that those
whom they may affect might vindicaite their conduct,
and the House be warned to guard against such
abuses for the future by solid and satisfactory provi-
sions. The'Noble Earl then took a short view of the
arguments in favour of the restrictions, and asked, If
you require the same duties from a Regent as from
a King, why limit the one more than the other ? The
same duties are imposed, but the same means are
not allowed for the proper perfornetnce of them.—
And under what circumstances is it that the Elect'.
tire Power is to be so cripple 4? Is it not at a moment
thewith
country is menaced with new difficulties and
Idangers, and when its domestic union may be dis-
tilched ? Such a posture of things loudly called for
the interposition of their Lordships, or the greatest
evils might befal the country. The Amendment of
his Noble Friend might in some degree tend to guard
against them, 'old it should therefore have his most
cordial support.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL declared, that after the
"satisfactory and unanswerable rpeech of his Noble
I Friend on the cross bench (Lord•Sidmouth) he had
I thought it would have been unnecessary for him to
trouble the House on the present question ; hut what
)tad just (align from the Noble Lord opposite render-
ed it indispensNe, with the view to his public duty,
so itay; a few woras. The Noble Lord had accused his
Noble-and Learned Friend on the. Woolsack of a
galivant violation of his duty. He would tell that
Noble Lord, and he would tell the House, that there
was no one act done by his Noble and Learned
Friend, at the period alluded to, for which he (Lord
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time, were not equally responsible. He had taincientl
grounds for distinctly declaring, that at that period'
his Majesty was not allowed to execute a single net
Of Royal Authority until a was fully unattained
that he was competent to the discharge of the Regal
functions I and he denied that any mystery had been
made of his Majesty's indisposition, which was as
well known to the public as to the Members of Go-
vernosent. The argument of the Noble Lord went
to declare, that during the shortest possible period of
indisposition on the part of his Majesty, it was fitting
that his Ministers should come down to Parliament,
and take irnmediate steps for the appointment ot'
Regency. Was this the course that had usually been
sanctioned by Parliament itself, when it adjourned,
in complete knowledge of his Majesty's indisposition,
but in the-hope that his speedy recovery might pre-
vent the necessity of supplying the deficiency of the
Executive Authority ? Among other calumnies, the
severe evil which his Majesty had sustained in the loss
•f sight had been urged as a due cause for his abandon-
ment of the Regal powers. On this point, what were
the opinions of-the Noble Lords opposite who were,
in office when that evil occurred ? They knew the
situation of his Majesty when they came into power,
while they remained in power, and when they were
dismissed from power. He would proceed to say a
few words on the general subject of restriction on the
Regent. The Noble Earl had asked, 44 Why not limit
the power of the Regent also with respect to the army,
the navy, &c.?" Because it could not be done with se-
curity to the country. As to the inconveniences of the
proposed measure, that point had been so well argued
by his Noble Friend on the cross bench, that he would
not enter upon if. Adverting to the examinations of
the Physicians, he contended that the term of a twelve-
month, proposed as' that of the restriction, was the
most expedient. The Noble Earl had drawn a con-
trast between the respective situations of the country
in 1788, and the present period. He was not afraid'
to meet him on that ground. Let the House look at
the state of the navy—let them look at the state of
the army—let them look at the state of the finances—
let them look at the state of the revenue—let them
look at the state of the commerce of the country
in 1788, and at the present period, and the com-1
parison ,would refute the assertions of the noble
Earl. He knew that by events, which no foresight
could anticipate, a colossal power had arisen, which
had monopolized nearly all the resources of Europe ;
but at the same time that he knew what that power ;
had done; and what it was capable of doing, he knew
that Great Britain alone had been able, resolutely to
defy that power, and to withstand its encroachments.
He knew, that notwithstanding the assertions of the
Noble Earl, Great Britain stood in a situation, so
proudly eminent, that the heart of every man who !
was not an Englishman, must pant with desire to be
one. Our security we owed to the energies of the
people, exerted under the British Constitution, and
directed by a Sovereign who had ever made their in-
terests his own.

The Duke of KENT expressed his disaripubation
of the restrictions in tote, but declared it to be his in-
tention to vote for the Amendment, on the ground
that it would be a less evil to suspend the powers of
the Regent for six mchuhs than for twelve.
Lord SIDMOUTII, in explanation, declared in
the face of the country, that there was not one act to
which he was a party at the period which had been
alluded to by the Noble Earl, which he was not ready
to avow and defend. With respect to the year 1801,
he must say, that he had heard a statement as to the
health of his Majesty (after he came into office in
March), which excited in his mind, in the minds of
his Colleagues, and in the minds of other illustrious
personages, who, were better acquainted with the cir-
cumstances of the case, the utmost surprise and asto-
nishment. On this subject he would not add a single
word, but he 'contended that there was no act of Admi-
nistration of that day, which was not completely justi-
fiable. Adverting to the stress laid by the Noble Lord
on the evidence of Dr. Heberden, as tending to shew
that the state of his Majesty's health, from February
to April, 1804, was unfavourable ; he observed that
the examination of the Physicians, of whom Dr. He-
berden was one, given at the period itself, was cal-
culated to make a different impression. In saying''
this, he was far from insinuating any undue motive
to Dr. Heberden, but such was the fact. The Ad-
ministration of that d iy Avas perfectly justified, and
so it would appear whenever the subject should be I
investigated. On the 26th of March his Majesty's,
recovery had been affirmed by all the physicians in a
Bulletin. A Council being to be held on the 9th of ;
April, the Physicians on being questioned, had de-
clared
that his Majesty was competent to preside at
the Council, which however was not actually held
till the 23d of that month.

The Duke of GLOUCESTER felt it impossible
to give a silent vote on the present occasion. He
therefore declared that be should vote for the Amend-
ment.

Lord MOIRA stated, that the Secretary had en-
deavoured to mislead their Lordships. He would
wish to know whether, in attempting to follow the
precedent of 1789, he (the Secretary) thought Mr.
Pitt would have proceeded as he had done ? Seeing
be had violated that precedent so far, did the No.
ble Secretary mean to say that he had Mr. Pitt for
his model ? Several most remarkable things had
come from the Noble Lords on the opposite side,
on the various subjects on which they have spoken.
A Noble Lord (Liverpool) has said that he con-
ducted the country during his Majesty's illness,
rather than afflict the country with news of his Ma-
jesty's illness. And the Lord Chancellor had made
a most extravagant drawing of his conduct, when
comparing his conduct in 1789, and his conduct
now ; before he would do nought without their
counsel, and now he won't &aide by aught they may
state ; be will take his own counsel before any of.
thetrs. The business of IW% though forming no
real part of the present business, could not now be
thrown from it, and consequently must go along
with the discussion. The Noble Lord (Liverpool)
had stated, that he would not speak after the Noble
Viscount, for he con.idered his argument as limns-
werable ; but those unanwerable arguments had been
completely answered and overthrown. It had teen
asked by a Noble Earl, whether any mischief could
ensue from the suspension of the Royal Prerogatives,
as proposed by the Bill, in the space of one year? His-
chiefs might ensue; but approving such experiments
was opening the doors for fur her experiments, on the
ground that they might be wholesome and expedient.

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That, in his trnd,' Wel , rind nittlikitll 18 the ptiik
sent measure. The Noble Lords num have heArd
With mueb surprire the transcendantly favoutaisk. al '
count of the present state .71 the countty, es niettirrd'
by the imagination of the Noble fiectetaft of Stitt* si,
and many of those Noble Logs who had beard hilt'
must have wished that they could have seconded all
Ithat the Noble Earl urged. He need not einfipaell;
the present state of the country with its situation lit:
(the year 1783, for the comparison would not apply. •
'Then in profound peace with the world ; but how dil'.
ferent was our present situation !-• As to the favoura=
ble state of our .army and navy, it war not the organi.
zation of our forces that *hewed our strength, and en-
sured security for the future ; but it was the general
mass and energy of the people. (Ilm-, hear.) Should
the unhappy hour ever arrive when our powerful and
ambitions foe would be seen hovering on our shores,
it would be found that the energy of the people would,
ibe our best, it not our only security. That was a truth
which went home toevery man'sbosofn ; and it became
them to stand by the Constitution—to oppose all
, improper encroachments upon the Royal prernga-
tivesl
for the purpose of protecting the people. The
Noble Secretary of state had contrasted the relative
situation of our Navy and Army at present, with its
situation in a former period I but such statements
were merely comparative. The state of France in
1760, and our state at that period, together with
the situation of France at the present crisis, and our
situation, ought to have been stated ; that would
have been the true way of describing the real state of
the country. They had been well told by a Royal
Duke (Kent), this if they were compelled to
choose between two evils, the better way would be
to choose the less. He disapproved of all limita-
tions and restrictions on the Royal prerogatives to
be exercised by the Regent ; and such being his
opinion, it he were compelled to limit for any period
'he would select the shorter, and therefore the Amend-
ment he would have to support. The Prince of %Vales
had not shewn any desire to obtain power for the pur-
pose of availing himself of the opportunity which
would be thereby afforded him of making any im-
proper use of such power, and such being the fact,
where was the necessity of restricting and limiting
the Regent, even if the benefit of the people could
suffer any of the prerogatives of the Crown to be sus-
pended for a single moment ? He was convinced
that so much was his Royal Highness the Prince of
Wales actuated by a due regard for his Royal but
afflicted parent, that were all the prerogatives of the
Crown rested in the Regent, in the event of his Ma-
jesty's recovery, his Lordship felt assured, that no ;et
of the Prince's, so scrupulous and delicate would be
his conduct, would meet with the disapprobation of
the King. So unconstitutional did his Lordship hold
all limitation of the Royal prerogatives, that he cer-
tainly should vote for that proposition which proposed
the shorter period of limitation. The principle of the
limitation met with his decided disapprobation.—.
The Prerogatives of Royalty were allowed for the
benefit of the people, and so necessary did be coa-
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Iceive them to be, that he could not willingly consent
'to the most limited suspension of them. From the
examination of the physicians, his Lordship context.'
Jed, that nothing certain was known, with respect
to the recovery of his Majesty, 'whether or not it
might be expected within a short period. With
respect to that fact, the realization of which would
be most cheering to every heart in the land, they
were in' a complete state of uncertainty% Their
Lordships were there to do their duty by the people
as well as the King. They had to extinine such
facts as were before them : they were to act upon the
! examination of the Physicians, and as such, they
ought to narrowly watch every part of the evidence.
I —His Lordship then took a review of the conduct of
his Majesty's Ministers, previous to and on the 9th of
March 1804, when the Lord Chancellor had applied
the Great Seal to a Commission, as well as to the In-
strument ; and when, from the examination of the
Physicians, it appeared that his Majesty was in a per.
feet state of mind. Seeing what had been dose, he
thought their Lordships would be cautious how they
trusted the further Government of the country to
those who had exercised it so loosely. He should
vote for the amendment of Lord Grenville.

The LORD CHANCELLOR spoke in support
of the clause, as it originally stood. His Lordship
thought that he ought not to have been selected from
among his Majesty's Ministers, for the.purpose of being
complained of, as he had been by two Noble Lords
(Grey and Moira) in particular. Both in 1801 and .
1801,periods to which allusions had been made, he bad
acted in concert with his colleagues. Having acted
with the other Ministers of his Majesty upon these oc-
casions, he did not think that he alone ought to be se-
lected from waving them. far the purpose of complain.
ing of kis conduct upon those occasions. k haying
been his highest ambition to hold the office which
he had filled, he could not permit himself-10 act in
any other way than with a respectful obedience to
the commands of his Sovereign. If there was any
part of his conduct, during either of those periods,
that was not what it ought to have been, he would
beg the Noble Lords to distinctly point it out. The
measures that were taken previous to, and on, the 9th
of March, 1804, were determined on by his Majesty's
Ministers, after repeated examinations of the Physi-
cians before the Privy Council. By virtue of his of;
fice he had a most important duty to perform to Lis
Sovereign ; and to perform that duty to the utmost
of his power he had taken an oath. He was not to
proceed to the dethroning of his Sovereign upsn the
evidence of Physicians—he had a duty to perform to
his Sovereign. It was not therefore to be supposed
that he had-acted without examining the Phystelans.
He had not; he had had the concurrence of their exa-

urination to jtv,tify his conduct. Nee did he trust to
their report, for he had deemed it fit to have personal
communication with his Majesty. Those communica-
tions with his Majesty were completely unrestrained.
for when his Lordship was with his Majesty, those
persons were absent who had been in the habit of
attending him, in order that there might be no re-
straint. In pursuance of such examination before the
Council, and of such communication with his Ma-
jesty, his Lordship had felt himself justified in apply-
ing the Great Seal, as he-did on the 9th of Marc',...-.
So excellently well was his Majesty at that period,
that his Lordship could not but observe, that his
Majesty was better aware of the duty that he (the
Lord Chancellor) had to perform, than even he was
himself. From the conduct of his Lordship upon
that occasion, his Majesty continued on the throne

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tier r .d if liclusinktptwroileht held himself responsible
for whet be.did,' - If he Aik'd in MOtinit wlti4iiistife
from his country, which he'dioughiliesbould not. he
should still find joitice is; the eye of his 10. for what
kf had done. • * - - .
Earl GREY explained. Tbe precise • charge
libich he had made against the. Noble and Learnetl
Lord (Eldon) was respecting kis conduct in Wall
11804. • The Noble and Learned Lord had, come
/Wired of basing. been Selected • from among the
c Cher Ministers of -hit Majesty ; 'but accordfpg to
the practice rf . the Coristitution.. no. other person
was responsible for the epplication- of the Great
Seal. In ; constitutional point of view', they knew
'othing of the Committee—they 'had only tq look
p those who used 144:Great Seal., iSlii that groiind;
be contended, that *hey had been justified in select-
ng the NoltlU and. .Learned •Lord pn the WoOlsack
from among ,the Ministers of his .Majesty, for.. be
t. was that applied the Great, Seal. to the Cassini',
iOn and other Acts! The awhif day of trial might
cline, when thfY Volad have to determine whethm
etch application of. the-Great Seal was right or
wrong, and if it should be foprd, than by seal} ap-
plication of the Great Sea), the Minister had
violated his- duty, his .lordship thought that that
Noble'epd Learned Lord (Eldon) would owq that
it was•
he; and he alone, who was responsible. :Hell
would again repeat what he bad before said,thati
during February, from the 12th to The 23d of April,
aiiii, down to the Igth June hi that year (1)04), his
Majery, as .appeared from the examination' of the
rhywcians,
,bad been :attended by Dr. Simmons; and
it wain evidepee that Doctor; bidaluring. that pe-
riod contort' over bit Majesty. It also appearid.that
lef.tete of the King's mind vasy such. that 4 wip
, wed to!have such attendance. That HOOF, were:
.111,4Tdie136 of the hereditary rights nf.tbot Crovini
mid or the pepple, 441 their. Lordships Weis now
telle4;upon uq decide whether they would prevent a '
furtixetsosurpation of tbe Kingly authority ? He was
rolticncl- to the principle .of limitation. though he,
0' ould support the Amendment. but he weuld take.'
en early opportonity of oppoting the limitaticrus now
P',",rogledi • •
e.l:oßio CI-lANCELl.DR'explained, After
iiirie observations, he observed that the two Noble
liords (Grey and Moira) had expressed their "Zelirr
of his responsibility upon the occasions to which they
hadalluded, but neither of them had said that lie war
responsihk,ls.4o. had they, there was no language
which
,eottla be used in * company of Gentlemen
with propriety to Ore at. denial,, but what he would
adoipt• to convey a contredictiop to any such assertion?
. The . quntion was then loudly., called' tor, and
rangers were ordered to withdraw, vhen two divi-
sions took place. The first on . the amendment pro-
prised by Lord. GOsurille,.npoo which the uturibers
were as follow f
Contents
- tin*ies
lipn-COntents .
el• Pieties

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st—i3p

Majority against the Amcpdmrnt —l7
The rev divipon wag pa the Original CI4u4e.. The
limbers were

• t • • 89

51-la4
• • . . fiti
Si--124

CrnaTnt4
Prr'zsre
Non-Cqntenti
• Pro;140 • •
*sleety in !away
' • nocestpLO.
On ear. re.achisission.itelwr the Bar, we fontd
. Lord CLANCARTY gu his legs: he contended,
ip an eftergetic Manner, against.the.clatise respecting
the Household as it had originally-smod, previous to
the Amendment in-the Committee, bui,thought that
'some sspecific and distinct measure should be adnpted
before passing of the Bill, rather than arrangements
of
.that particular clepartment should be positioned to
sithaerpient period. With that view he submitted'
to the House two claeses, the first allowing the Prince
Regent the controul over ill that part of the House.
hold which hid heretofore been thought necessary to
the support of th; dignity and splendour of the kingly
(Zee, and the second investing in the Queen the cen-
ttoul over the snhordinate officers, such as the Vice.
Steward,
.the Chamberlain, &c.
After carte eonvernition between the Earl of Lt=
wirjusoot, and.the Marquis of LAwsrie•*:ve, pn these
chases, the question was pot from the Woolsack,
and they were negatived without a division.
.I.orcl LIVERPOOL then moved, that the amend.
into& 4.F.hich bad lbeen7m4de in the Committee in the
ilauae respecting the Household, should be omitted,
Intl that the eleitte,„ in its original form, should be
substituted. • •
.The MaiqUis.o6tittiONfilllßE took that oppok.
trinity of declaring sentiments Upon the measures
wl.,ich bad been proposed in consequence of the Me..
loicholy sitqation of his Majesty, To do t4isl he
was principally induced by his knowledge of the dit-
Ecelties to which Ireland woull be reduced while the
Government was is fact, porlysed by the stepi which
had brew propNeiiby.t.lF resent Ministers. The si.
Illation in whith %bet einotty.was plated, weSof such
a nature. that the snoslvigOrous and efficient flovern.,
iniitt only could !lave us rota destruction. With this
feeling he deemed it incumbent whim to reteegainst,
;he restrictions on the Regent, as they. equld oily tend'
to deprive him of that Rower which was essentjage
necessary. to the 4qe support of bi. important office,
sine to the welfare nf the United Kingdom.
Lord 130RINGTIKK expressed a wish that the
Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) would for the resent
withdraw the clause as it bad'been passed in the Com-
* rtiittect Kral between that time ;TA the cis:4,7T dal?
r
prepare a elau.ihat would defien in distinct terms

the. me.isiires y.hich, in Itis (the gable MATtinies)

. . .
rind, might be most axpedicni fortheadvar.tageof the"
Country and the.diguity of the Prince to adopt. In his
( I.ord Boringdon's) estimation, nothi' tg could be
rote indecorous or more disrespectful than to strip the
ray il a;..0„:1.3 had been proposed in iheorlgi nal clause,
pc all those eiternal marlts of splendour and grandeur
arhichi irt,ll ares, had .been considered '
as most con.
di icitt p' its support and respectability. To plice
P.:e HAnisehold upon such a, footing, he thought,
iroill,l be ;}ii most anomalous proceeding that could
btu
be suggested. The only substitute that had
bOp FroposecT,loWever, for twit roost obanxicuts and
improper course sr.is that ch ba4 bees sob--
iiftste4 by the 144)b1c Marquis ( Lanidnwee. iig
40,114 oot help bring 0044 if 'the Noble , init.
lea,
t onsinued to abi,de by, thbitk plan,. that. it pig be la
Ved Stith copshlerattleAucouvenience ; be took the
ty, tbeFtfore, a( 0%4 kb 4,011440 I. OP*-
. ..
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sitter the sohjeet, and to come forward with soot P
specific propotition, which would prevent the unplea-
sant necessity of hereafter, imposing on his R4141'
j-lighnsiss the odium of so ungenerous a task as that
of again drawing the *mention of Parliament to a sub-
' icct 'so delicate ;nd so closely connected with the
ietiiings of his Royal father. He thought the best
'• and most satisEictory line to pursue would be at once
to provide for the per,onal dignity and splendour of
the Snvereigit and the Regent; in such a way as to be
epiaducive to the respect t)1 the one, while it did not
increase the pain of the other. This cculd be done
Br 4 single act, and the aid of a future Session would
not be required. &hook' the Nobrl -Marquis feel
disinclined to adopt this suggestion, he ( Lord ,Bit-
ringdon) had it in contemplation to offer an amend-
spent, the object of which would be to leave all the
:officers attending the Royal Peyton at they were dur-
ing his illness, and as he had already stated, to provide
for the splendour and dignity of the Prince in a dis-
tinct manner. To make arrangements, founded on
the probable recovery of I;is Majesty within twelve or
eighteen months, he could not but pronounce as et-
tremely indeliCate, and completely at variance •with„
the general feelings of the country. The Noble Lord
concluded, by e;pressing a confident hope, that the
Noble Marquis would see the force of his argumenh
and agree with him in the impmpriety of introducing
the subject again toParliament in two or !lime munthst.l
io an invidious and unbecoming manner,
'Lord MOIRA was persuaded that nothing was
more foreign to the wishes of the August Personage
who hail been alluded to than the assumption of the
100 Power over the Household. lit his opinion,
the most simple and espedieet Mode m adopt would
be, to have a department independent of the Royal
Household in every particular; and to leave all the
irMt. appointments as they were, in the hope of
ajestfs speedy recovery. Such a proceeding,
he felt convinced, would be entirely accordant with
the wishes of his Royal Highness, who felt most anxi-
ous to avoid any proceeding .which might give pain
to his Royal Parent, for whose recovery, in conjunc-
tion with the whole country, be entertained the most
sanguine wishes.
Lord BORINGDON explained.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE expressed his
highest respect for the opinion ofhis Noble Friend ( Lord
Boringdon), with whose suggestions, however, he re-
gretted he could not coincide, as he felt it would be de-
parting from his original plan to withdraw his amend.
ment. In submitting a plan to Parliament, he deemed
it necessar7, in the first instance, to lay down the
groat outlines of it, Rad to proceed to the details
afterwards, which was the course he had chalked out
fpr himself on the present occasion, and he had no
doubt that he would be able to convince his Noble
Friend and the House, dint he had not set out upon
a vague or as indistioct view of the subject. As to
the right and principle of the Household being divid-
ed, he bad no hesitation in admitting, that a division ,
ought to take place ; but it was a question for fur-
ther consideration, how• that division was to be ef-
fected. He had no objection then to state to the
House, the manner in which he conceived the division
should take place, with a due regard to the.comforts
as well as the dignity of Ifss Majesty, during his in.
disposition. The three great establishments to which
his Majcsry bad of late years been attached, and from
which all his comforts and enjoyments seemed to be
'derived, Were those.of Windsor, the Queen's House,
and.. Kew ; these. he did not intend to touch, nor
did he intend to. interfere with the officers belong-
ing to them. With respect to the Great Officers
ci,the.lionsebold, however; such as the HighSteyv-
ard, the Mister of the -Horse, &c. those he conceiv-
ed, ought to be devoted to the Regent,. while he would
allow the Queen the controul over various suhordi-
nate officers,. such as the Irtrst Equerry of the Horse,
and to whom lie should propose to add the Groom of
rh* ptale, as more immediately connected with his
Majesty's person. This outline, he conceived, would
convince the-House that he felt every disposition eo
provide for the dignity and the comfort of his Ma-i
;este- It might be asked why, .if he had his plan to
well arranged, he did not introduce it without further
delay ? To this he would willow, that such an ar-
rangement would, before it could be carried into ef-
fect, require the adjustment of various accounts,
which could only be settled after an inquiry by a,
Committee. It would therefore appear evident that it!
would be impossible for him to prepare his clause in
such a form by to-morrow as to he carried into effect,
without difficulty. He .could not agree with his No.
ble Friend (Lord_)3oringdon) that any degree of
odium would be affected On the august personage•
alluded to, by the introduction "of the subject here.'
after), the mote ppecially,when it was evident that
any benefit which was.te bedevived fivm the arrans&
meet would esseptialiY depend. upon the time whirl
was taken to constilt the interest of the country, by 4;
strict investigation apd a close.regard to economy...—.
Upon these grounds it. was, that he felt it necessary
to ground his motion npap the Clause as it then stood,
to which it.waa not his 'iptention to make any alterif
r firm, If, however, the Noble Earl ( Liverpool) should
prevail, and du* a majority in favour of his Amend-
ment, be (the Marquis of Lansdowne) should still
oppose the'origipal Clause, and support any Amend-
ment which his Noble griend, or any other Noble
Lord, might propose.
• Lord defended Lho clause as• it
rirelrom the House of Commons, and declaredit
to be the mop ustisfactery to thp feelings of ,the
Aoyal Family.
Lord GRENVILLE pbserved, that of all the
plans that ~ad ever existed, that which came from
d.e,Hpuse of commons was the worst. His Lots'.
ship then, in an eloquent strain, argued against the
whole of die measures which had keen suggested by
Ministers, and declared, that he should not let the
matter rept there, if the Amendment of the Noble
Earl (Liverpool ) was carried, but should move the
clause of 1780, talon he should like to see who dared
oPtinse it.
The Hopse then divided!
Fur the Ametalment . 16
Vratifes .
—137
Against the Atrrielment • I• I
• Pruxiee .
• • . s,--f VI
~.verify for Mi•isters —lt
410 CI. A NCA R ry then proposed an A men d-
ment concernir.7, the Queen's Household, which was
.carried in favour of .11Iinisters.by a majority of five.
Upon the admission-cif strotnge.rs at use Bar, Lord
GRtNVII..LE was arraigning the conduct of Mini.
Mai. In not ad, tering to the eprecedent. and the exam

f'";

• - • •
ple rf Mr. Pitt, which they pmfessed to follow. That
eminent and wise Statesman had paid all due regard
to the public economy of the public .expenditure
hy the conduct of Ministers, was now left
without check or controul.

Lord L IVE R POO I. explained.
Upon the clauses respseting the Queen's Council,
Lord QRENVILLE moved that the Archbishop
of Armagh be eue.
This was opposed by Lord LIVERPOOL, on the.
ground of the inecnivenience which the local situation,
and the other avocations of that Pielate,must occasion,
Upon the motion being put, the numbers were{
For the Motion - - - . 8L
Against it p pp 85
Majority for Ministers • - —4
Lord STANHOPE, after an animated speech,
in which he severely censured the conduct of Ministers
throughout, hut especially in their arrangements con- ;
corning the Regency. moved that the Duke of Bed-
ford's name be inserted among those who were
appointed as the. Queen's Council.
The Motion, however, was negatived without a
division,
Lord KING then rose, and after calling the sir
tention of their Lordships to what he conceived a .
flagrant abuse of office in some of the persons acting
under the Royal Authority, desired that the two
commissions in 1804 be read. Under those commis-
siont his Lordship observed, that the Noble and
Leareed Lord on the Woohack, had affixed the
Great Seal to no less than fifteen 'bilk, at s period I
when, according to the eviilence of Doctor Heber-1
I den, solemnly given before their Lordships, his Ma-
jesty
was incapable of exercising his regal functions.
Upon that ground his Lordship moved that the name
pf John Lord Eldon be withdrawn from the Council
appointed to assist her Majesty.
Upon this motion being read by the Loiso CHAN.
Ost.Lopt, and the question put, that the name of John
Lord Eldon do stand as originally, the latter was
',agreed to, on a division, by 139 to 54. Proxies as
before.

Upon the return of strangers to the Bar, Lord
GREY was complaining that no arguments had been.
used on the part of Ministers, but that every proposi.
tion was carried by mere vote.
Lord LAUDERDALE then proppsed an amend.
ment, which was lust without a division, when the
House adjourned at Four o'clock (this morning) to
Four o'slock this afternoon:

HOUSE OF. COMMONS.
Several private Petitions for Inclosure Bills were brought up,
read. and referred. to Commlutes,
Sir J. GRAHAM presented a Petition from the Parishioners
of Mary-la-honne, praying leave to bring in a Bill for the tree.
tion of a Church In_ that parish. Referred to a Committee, tp
consider of the contents thereof.
Mr. H. MARTIN moved, that the Report of tl:e Committee
on Saleable Offices in Courts of Lew should be referred to the
Committee on Sinecure Places..—Orditred.
On the motion of Mr. ARBUTHNOT, the Chaplain of the
House was ordered to preach a sermon before the House of
Commons, at St. Margaret's Church, Westminster, ou Wednes-
day, the moth instant.
The house then ai!journed to this day.
•

STAR.

LONDON. „
TUESDAY, JANUARY 2.9,
sTocics THIS DAY A I ONE O'CLOCK.
Cons alp, matey, 651—fur account, 66i.
Recd 664-4 per Cent. 1134; • •
5 per Cont. Navy 983 I—Ez.li la, 2a. to h. prem.
Panda, !4s. YU. prem.--Omnium
• " WINDSOR CASTLE. ..iiiNDART 28.
" His MAsnrry is rather better to-ciay thin he was
yesterday." (Signed. as usual.)
" WINDSOR CASTLE, JADIUARR
" His MixesTy goes on favourably." (Signed)
" H. DA.LIPORD, W. HERERD&N, R. WILLIS.",

The progressive amendment in his MAIRITE'S
health, to which we had the satisfaction to allude-el
few days agn, has not been interrupted by any relapse.
On Saturday, the I,onn CHANCELLOR and Mr. na-
cisvm. had an audience of his•MAJEarr, which lasted
upwards of an hour and a half; and they afterwards
visited the Qur*n, at her apartments.—On Sunday,
Earl CAmnex (the President of the CSHIREiI), arrived'
at the Queen's Lodge ; and, after holding a comma?
firm with DES. REYNOLDS, DAIL!" 1"111211DE.Y, and
Wiws, on the state of. his MAJESTY'S health, the
result of nhich was highly satisfactory, his Lordship
returned to London.-*--His MAJESTY has not walked
on the Terrace for the last week, owing to the cold
and damp state of the weather..

So confident are the best informed of all parties of
the speedy recovery of .-the KDiCII that a report Was
last night in cistalition;at the west end of the totvp,
that an plscial scaninunication siould be made on the
. subject. to both Houses of Paeliatient.4sthis was
not the case, however, althosigh the Losto Owl-
"c1ILLOR expressed himself very strongly in, he Hoist
of Lords, on the wint of his MAJts,l7% reeoiesy,

Dispatches were received this mooting from Lord
Wawstrrost dated the sth and 12th. A Lisbon
Mail also arrived with intelligence to the 13;11.

. The reinforcementi under General I".}nous: have at
length joined MAsse.va. They came by the same I
road which bfasspia took, and being much superior
in numbers to the force occupying'Coimbra under
Colonel TitaNT, the latter was obliged to evacuate it,
and to cross the Vopga towards Oporto. Colonel Wa.
sox, upon the arproach of the enemy, fell back from
Espenhal and crossed the Mondego, but as Ole enemy I
marched from the Alva to Espenbal, he recrossed it,
end on the 43th and 6th harassed them greatly..-.,
They ernisisted 'of 11 hattilicms of the 91h corps.
Gaanatqes corps remain at Pinbel, tile detach-
mint that was sent tuVastel-Btaaco rejtkined thel
tniin army,
Upward:9g fifty vessels Ind aTrived its tha Tagus,
fro, Ameikl and England, with Corps
LISIIOI,I, DAC. Si. •
14$ *ecturieKatitl! - emir lint Spain coprlrm
tis3Pdsit which is containe4

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in an article from SeyAls—that Bonaparte wishes ;s
ratite the entire of the Continent to the French Ern.
pine, without taking Joseph into consideration ; aro.
that he transaaita.hie orders direct to Souk. %shun;
afmaparbe wens to prifer to MaSSeTI2, and to the
Military GOrernors,esublished in Spain.
JAL 11.—Coimbra is now said to be occupied by
Drouet ; Captain #fr.ant found the enemy too
far ham, and therefore evacuated it, and reheated
across the Youga towards Porto.

The reinforcements lately scceived by Massena are
9000 infantry, and only 300 cavalry, a harp quantity
of stores, and a small park of artillery.
AU the soldiers in this neighbourhood went up last
week to the army all remain in :tutu quo at Santa.
rem and Cartazo—General 1-till is still unwell is L.
bon ; General Campbell is dead of an intermittent ;
Colonel Finch (a General in the Portuguese service/
died yesterday of a typhus fever ; the good Marc Lil
ness of Angaja also died at her Palace at Belem tle
day before yesterday we have had two or three tre.
incisions days rain.

Our overland dispatch arrived from Cadiz a fee
days ago : the enemy hays managed measures so as
to be able to throw shells from Mattagorda into that
place, but they do very little damage.
The enemy has detached a corps from before ca.
die ; their destination, as yet, is unknown to us here.
Our people bhere *re, as yet, too weak to attack tl.e
remainder of the enemy. Every thing here become;
snore scarce and dear ; but we hear large cargoes of
wheat, &e. are daily expected, and then we may look
to have it at moderate prices. Eleven American ves-
sels are off the harbour Laden with flonr—a most sea-
.sonable supply ; also 21 or `l2 transports from Eng-
land ; and, report adds, a packet, 1u(• the signal hAs
not yet been made for one.

THE ARMY. • '

Brigadier-General.LoNG, late of the .15th Light
Dragoons, we have heard, is expected scion at Ports.
mouth to embark for Portugal. He is 'to replace
Brigadier-General Fags in the command of the bri.
gade of cavalry in that country. GenerakLons was
Adjutant-General to the late expedition under the
Earl of CHATHAM, and is esteemed a good Officer,
The reinforcements for the army of Portugal are
all embarked, and expected to sail this day from
Portsmouth, uit4et the VENazi.4t, Rear4dmir.ll Sir
J. YoRKE.
There are, besides, to embark at Cork, fuiPortu.
gal, the 6th, 20th, 30th, and 76th Regiments ; and,
at Plymouth, the 11th Light Dragoons, a full and
very efficient Corps, The whole of these reinforce.
ments are estimated at 8,000 men.

Thursday e'nnight, a splendid ball was giren by
Major-General P.F.:t EH, and the officers of the garrison
or Musselburgh, consisting of the 42d and 91st regi.
meats. and the Itenfrewghire militi.t, to theiadies ar.(l
gentlemen of the town and neighbourhood.
Brigadier-General Cog, who commanded the gar-
tison 4 Almeida, is detained st prisoner at Verdur.
The French Qfficer to whom he surrendered the gar.
rison, in testimony of his bravery. gave him a pass-
port to return to England—but this docuttent, it
appears, was not respected by the trench Govern-
ment.

The Chichester packet is arrived from the Leeward
Isleads, with a Mail ; she sailed from Tartela on the
27th nit. By the accounts received, it appears that
the enemy's privateers were numerous in that guay
ter, although they hare no port to which they can
convey their prey. The Books at LLOYD'S contained
yesterday an entry, of which the following is a copy :

" The Rosetta, Coca, from Goadaloope to Charleston, was
taken po Me 4th uk. "Sombrero Island, and watt for ;ranee
by the Duke of Daatzle privateer...of 14 giant and 100:1 men, from
Name, which had also taken sod deswoyed the Industry, Mooa t,
from St. Kitt'! to Wilmington ; and a Spanish three-masted
schooner from Cadis to Vera Cruz, with dry goods."

The Captain's Journal also contains the following
entry
" um. llll3.—Lat. 30.4. long. 39.46. saw a ,hip a-head,
firing guns, and !misting Nghts of dimes's; found bet to be the
Iris, belonging to Glasgow. lef•Doso•tn muter, front Der r anis
bound to Greenock. out 44 days; bad lox her rudder on tile sth
log. In a gale from the N.L. part of her cargo damaged. At day-
light sent chi boat on board. '1 he weather being very fine, the
ahip's company agreed oistay by tbe,slup."'

It appears, that besides the three French frigates
which lately made their escape from L'Orient, dur-
ing the absence of our squadron from that part of the
coast, two others sailed from Nantz on the 27th
Pit. To prevent our Commanders 'tom getting any
knowledge.of the_ circumstance, an embargo was
:mimed oc all vewl;, until the, lit instant, it i, sup-
osed the whole of these frigates are bound to the
Isle of France.
The Two Brothers (an Americas), with cotton
apt dye wood, has been taken and carried into Czlais

PLYMOUTH, JANUARY t 7.
•
Mired, the Wenle schooner, from. Torbay; the M&!:1
schooner, from Ilfracombe; the EHza and Jane tender frwr. but.-
In, with-impressed men and volunteers for the navy ; the Ma-•
I duller Pullet. Captain bliss from the Brazils, Lan from fay
' mouth ; and the Chichester packet. Caputo Row's, oho from
the Brazils, het last from Falmouth.

Sailed the SrAITAN frigate, for the Rachefoil station. The
Princess Mary packet, Capt. Pocock, will sail te-MOrruw, if Ors
wind permit!, with rapes for Malta, Sicily, and the Meditert i•
nean. A packet is anchor In Cawsand hay, name not knots •:.
The Princess Charlotte packet has just hove in sight from is.
bon. A large frigate is also standing 10. 'l'he United Sta,,
frigate Flom, is now getting under weigh for Cowes; it ii rs-
mowed 'helots to receive and take bustle Mr. Pins Nx v.