Star.
London, England, 1827-05-15 00:00:00

RETIRED ALLOWANCES.

The House baying resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply,
Mr. HERRIES moved a grant of 17,0001 on at.
count of superannuation: and retired allowances ofthe
civil department.
Mr. HUME objected to the grant. The Pension List
was hourly swelling, and promised to, ere long, swallow
up the resources of the country. Many of those who
enjoyed pensions were actually young men, and were
far from being unfit for service. A Committee ought
to be appointed to ascertain the fact, and to point out
the best means of checking the growing evil.—The Re.
plution was agreed to.
The next grant was on recount of the fit. Domingo sufferers, and
other objects of the national bonnty, 14,9701.--Carried.

VACCINATION.
Mr. HERRIE3 then moved the grant of 3,0001. for
the National Vactilne Establishment.
Sir .I:llORKlrObjected,to this grant. He had the
greatest reason to deny the efficacy of the pract;ce of
vaccination, and to describe it as a mischievous delusion
upon the public. Two of his own family, a son and a
daughter, were vaccinated, and afterwards inoculated,
and yet several years afterwards they both had the small
pox in a very severe and dangerous form.
Colonel WOOD regretted that an attempt should be
made to throw discredit upon a practice which he be-
lieved to have produced the greatest benefit to the world.
He knew there were instances of failure, but there had
been as many under the old system of inoculation.—
Vaccination possessed this undoubted advantage, that
it did not propagate the disease—whilst one individual,
after being inoculated, would communicate it naturally
to hundreds.
Mr. PEEL thought so highly of the practice that he
regretted his lion. Friend should apply his powers of
sarcasm and ridicule to discredit it. If it did not yield
perfect security, it greatly mitigated the virulence of
the disorder The children of his Hon. Friend had pro-
bably been vaccinated by some amateur vaccinator in
the infancy of the practice. The existence of a Board
was essential In the City of Dublin, in order to provide
a proper suPply,of lymph, and to investigate ad cases
of apparent failure. The remuneration afforded to the
Gentlemen composing this establishment was certainly
net excessive. He lamented exceedingly that anything
should pass is that House calculated to perpetuate those
prejudices upon the subject which had already so greatly
obstructed the complete.success of the system.
Sir C. BURRELL supported the grant. He adduced
the instance of a large school in Sussex, in which vacci-
nation had been adopted without a single case of failure,
and reprobated the conducrof the base and sordid prac-
titioners who strove to discredit the practice from mo-
tives of selt-interest.
Mr. HUME stated a case in which a child had been
innoculated in a Court in the Strand, and the conse-
quence was, that fourteen children took the infection,
and died. He thought Government ought to bring in
a Bill, to compel persons, who had their children in-
oculated, to take them to a pest-house, or to the coun-
try ; and that vaccination ought to be encouraged to
the utmost.
After some observations from Sir J. Yeas; the vote
was agreed to.
WWI SOS THE DESTITUTE.
Mr. HERRIES then moved a grant of 40001. on ac-
count of the Refuge for the Destitute.
Mr. HUME contended that grants of public money
to charitable institutions served only to abate the zeal
of the managers and individual contributors. Formerly
be thought this a justifiable grant, as it afforded a re-
fuge to criminals, and effected a saving of the public
money ; but he understood that now the institution had
become a less valuable auxiliary to the police.
Dr. LUSHINGTON having been connected with this
institution, begged to say that the fluctuation in its
funds, noticed by the Hon. Member, was entirely the
effect of accident. The necessity of this grant was more
evident from the notorious increase of crime, an I par-
ticularly of juvenile delinquency, which at the eastern
end of the metropolis had risen to an alarming height.
Mr. PEEL would vote for the grant of 40001. but lie
owned that it was by his recommendation that the grant
had been reduced from 50001. to 40001. He had given
this advice, because he thought it ro.sible to effect all
the good with 40001. as well as with 0001. The object
of the institution was most laudable, and required some
degree of public support. Whether it might not be
expedient to form some large establishment entirely
under the management of Government was a question
which well merited the attention of the 'tight Hun.
Gentleman, his successor in office. A considerable
'past of the Penitentiai y in Mill Bank would be at li-
berty for this purpo,e, in consequence of the nece-saty
of ►ending off the 'mate couvreis to New South Wales
He had been applied to fir Oft assistance i f Govern-
' meat in the maintenance of a similar establiabincut at

the eastern end of the Metropolis, Intl ht h d said No..
,for the natural idea was, that if Government would
grant 30001. it might as well grant five or six thousand,
'and this checked the plan of private benevolence.
. Mr. Alderman WAITHM AN thought the selectioe
df objects was badly made. The maximum of
duals under the care of the Institution WAS 180, And the
annual expenditure was 20,00014 They might send theat
all down into Tot kshire and have them educated at leis
expense: The Hon. Aldermen mentioned several cases
dining his Mayoralty in which his recommendation hut
been disregatded.
After a few olsagrirations from Mr. Hong, Mr. &usu., mei
W•aaostron, Ddr. PALLYAR, Abd Mr. Alderman Urn, the Rm.
lotion was agreed to.
The next Grant WAS 5,500 t. fbr the relief of the Antedate
Loy alists.
The next was 3,4th1. 4s. for the expense of teaming and who:
gaining Criminal Lunatics.
SWIM 0011U1S.
Mr. HERRIES then moved a grant of 5,5121. 15.10 d. tsiletraj
the usual allowance to Protestant Dissenting Ministers and Farce
Refugee Clergymen.
and three of the Baptist deem
Mr. HUMS objected In the grant, so far as it applied to tie
Refugees. Tbry were Dow at liberty to return name.
sr. HRRRIES defended the grant. That part tef it which wag
for the benefit of Protestant Dissenting :Ministers was tilillibeted
Was !tow tifectually cord; for
by nine &Rohner' of the highest respectability—three of the Pres:
I)Trainatwriitani. thrwindilsedist!itibdurrod"inenti small sums of four or Impound,
rfnu.ltbeurer' they should die according to the
With respect to the Refugee Clergymen, complaints had formerly
been nude that they never died. This extraordinary kmanity, he
r After a few words from Sir C. Fouts and Dlr. R. Dououss
tareale"Maithadedapprtlialivediltrartablene:thbA:t 3din
the Resolution was agreed to.
mart mum= coin%

Mr. MERRIER moved the grant of 53,0001. for Foreign mit
other Secret-Services.
Mr. HUME said, that the war used to be the excuse fat this
grant, but they found It very little reduced in consequence of the
peace. By lda. Berkes }Molds charge was to have been redareg
to 10,0001.
Mr. CANNING was precleded by the very terra. of the grail
from entering into any detailed explanations. But the 11011. Member
was mistaken when he assumed that a very considerable roped*
of this suns was on account of foreign service, and again be ma
anistilken when he supposed that this grant was limited to 10,0001.
by Mr. lierke's Bill, which applied only to the money tape:l,A fot
Secret Sefekef by the Treasury. He was as anxious as the Ho
Grethen-nth to keep down these charges, which were not new, pct
the inheritances of former yeses. The present grant was, hos
less by 5000 i. than that of fist year.
The aezt grant was £lO,OOO for printing Acts of Parliament.
PUBLIC IIBCOILDS•
Mr. FARRIER moved a grant of £7500 for arranging zni
printing the Public Records.
Mr. HUME begged to ask the Right Honourable Gentian
opposite what prospect there was as to the completion of the undo.
taking, and the discontinuance of these grants?
Mt. W. WYNN answered. that in the collection of F.ngli4L

history great progress bad been made, bat before any cores is
printed.mote must yet be collected and arranged. By the Repot
of the able and excellent person to whom the chief mammies
was entrusted, the materials had been corected for five rain so
lames, one of which would soon make its appearance. Gentians
could hardly be aware of the labour required is an undendung eE
this kind, in which it was necessary to put every thing in such ism
as to stake it easy of reference.
The next grant was 495,980 for the probable expense of ea.
tionery and printing, including the charges of the Stationst&ollen
GOLD AND WTI& COINAGE.

Mr. HERR/ES then moved a grant of 50,000 i. for the tyro&
dinary expenses of the Mint for the gold coinage of 11127.
grant prupoeed was greater than that of last year. The voce this
fell short of the actual expenditure. The vote was 404:001. Ind
the outlay was 42.0001. This accounted in part for the Macaw at
the present estimate.
Mr. HUMS 'squired how Many sovereigns had been coined
last year?
Mr. HERRIES replied—S,B27,s4sl.
Mr. HERRIBS then moved a graft of 26,5456 to defray the
low In recoining the Irish silver tohens aM coin.
Mr. HUMS inquired If this operation was not complete?
Mr. HERRIE.S replied that the present grant would claw the
account.
The neat grant was £5,000 to defray the extraordinary erpeew
of tram-twins (*lnert.
The next, £19,6211 to defray the egtraordinary expeases in ihe
department of the Lotd Chamberlain for the fittings up and furci.
tare of the two Hours of Parliament. _ _

The sett, 41180,000 to defray the expenses of law charges.
CONVICTS AT WWI •lill ♦x BILUSIDA. _ _

Mr. BERRIES moved the rant of Arin,744 to &fray ti 4
menus of convicts at bomt and at Bermuda.
Mr. HUME trimmed to Itito* witat numSer had ban ana•
tamed ?

Mr. HERRIES replied, 3,500 prisoners, of Whom 5,400 wen
osnintained at the expense of ed. per day and roo at the Tatra Is
Mr. Secretary BOURNE said, after deducting the vainest their
Mbar the Cost of their maintenance did not much (stead ZS it
MR • year!.
To pay allowances due bt Government fqr expenses incurred
mike the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, A'50,000.
Mr: BERNAL aid, he wished to take that oppottimity of •y'
Isee a few words with respect to Sierra Leone. Large -urn. were
iflated tea! after year uselessly and prodigally upon that erabliab;
Mat. He believed these grants were against the genera seated
As country. The waste of life in that settlement was dreadisL—;
Many Officers of rank and talent had perished there, and Inc awe:
talky wax such that it amounted almost to suicide to accrpc of gal
situation in the place. He need not mention that gallant aid meri-
torious Officer' General Turner, who, together with almost etch
individual of his family, fell of ene by aim The soldiers died id
great numbers, either from the elects of the climate, or trues
drinking rum. He was sorry to see the public money [brown awn,
and the country humbugged In this manner year after year.
Mr. W. HORTON said he hoped the Honourable Getulesiel
would not persevere in his opposition to the vote. Re teas awns
that whatever the character of the establtshment might be, the st.
peases incurred within the year must be paid. The House and do
country would soon be put in tall possession of every thing to;
sleeted with Sierra Leone, Commissioners haviug been sent out isr
the purpose. He was free to admit that there might bare been
minnapagement, but this was not the time for going into the qtieb-
don. With respect to General Turner, he could assure the deo
Gentleman that no person pressed more earnestly than that gates
011iter the necessity of retaining the &errs Leone establidneeh
AU he desired was, that the House might suspend their joke.te
until the Report was before them.
Mr. HUhIE said if it was erne that Parliament was to to We"
pied so early as report stated, they would no looser be in a situation
to discuss the subject when the Sierra Leone Report was lard spot!
the table. He hoped this useless expense anti ware We •ould
be put an end to.
Mr. CANNING said be would not now take upon him to state
what derision the Government might come to on this stititf.
Parliament would not separate until the question had been I
Into.—The Resolution was agreed to.
For paying salaries and expenses incidental to a Commissiot
pointed on the part of his Majesty to treat with the tioverniurtut
of Spits Portugal, and the Netherlands, foe the .bol:tion the
Slave Trade.
Mr. HUME thought that this, as well as other items. 010 be
considerably reduced.
Mr. CANNING said, the expenses under this bead had certain!
been considerable, but of all others it was perhaps that branch of
the expenditure with which the country would be lease disposed
to quarrel. Government, however, bad no choice. This expense
was imposed on them by Act of Parliament.
Mr. HUME said the Right Bon. Gentleman would have so
difficulty in prevailing on the House to alter the Act if it shatiol
be thought advisable.—Th: Resolution was agreed to.
For defraying the expenses of litisfilitlf anti special commissar'
to the new States of South America.
Mr. HUME said, that in this item, at least, mite reductive
might be made. The sum now proposed, added to the We
diplomatic expenses of the country, made the whole ammo.' to
.€495,000.
Mr. CANNING said. this vote:was .feus less Riau last yea',
and that for American Cumuls £5OOO less. lie could /*Mite tee
natl. Gentle/Ilan that in all communications be received bunt tte
British Consuls in South Amenca, they assured bins that it was ut-
terly impossible they could subsist there upon less daao the toml,
allowance. Sume represented the salary as totally huadeou.te. 4"
their privateistortunes as absorbed by the expenses ino-t. rata to to
iltuation. This might appear extraordivary to Eurtifizati ea
One requested that be might be allowed either to lay down n
office, or to embark in nict gentile speculations somber