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circumstance the Doctor commuaicated this letter con ft •
tdehtiilly,'and nii'thi same day'pablisko it in one -of the
Dtiblin paperi.Thii is Cbitainfy saint'. hat ext ram dina y;
balmy Lords,ihere it yet 'anther singular circumstance.
The Noble Manqiiis made several observations upon the
feeling which I had ezpresied oT the necessity of obtain.
iiig tranquillity in Ireland previous to any discussion
upon the question. I beg leave to read an extract from
a pelt of one of his letters to me. (The Noble Duke here
read a part of one of the Noble Marquis's letters, 'dated
the 20thofJUly, in' ivhich he expressed his conviction
of thinecessity of maintaining the peace and tranquil-
lity of Ireland until the measure of emancipation
could be' again dis Cussed, adding that, if any thing
like opposition took place, he sincerely adjured the
Noble Duke to take the question into consideration is the
first week of the ensuing Session). Ir is qiiite clear,
therefore, from this letter, that the necessity of tranquil•
lily in Ireland' was hot only my opinion, but also the'
opinion of the Noble Marquis himself. The Noble
Marquis s iid,first of all, that he wrote kOnfidentially
Dr. Curtis, but immediately-afterwards published hill
letter. I suppose that was done with a• view to keep the
country tranquil. but I confess it apoears to me a very
strange way. But I will read what Mr. O'Connell
thought upon this letter. He said, " Lord Anglesey
recommends that all constitutional, as coutraolistin-
guivied to legal measures. should be adopted to for
ward the cause of Catholic Emancipation.- This is
the only point of the letter which I am inZlined to dis-
claim, as I think that our cause should be grounded
upon its legality alone." So that the Noble Lord,• by
way of tranquillizing, puhlishes a letter whch these
,agitators will not follow, because they think it too
.strong. But, my Lords, the Noble Marquis says that
the letter is quite innocent—that all the strong words
which he had made use of did not mean agitate.
The Marquis of a NGLESEY—The weed agitate is not hi it.
The Duke of WELLINGTON teal a passage from
the Noble *Loa. letter, which concluded in the follow-
ing manner—" When the Catholics vs acease to agitate,
and the miseries of the country wilt be alleviated.“—
Now, with respect to this agitation (continued the Noble
Duke), I will nit only refer back to my own letter, but
co the history of Ireland, to find out what the word
"agitate" means. It means something just shoot of
rebellion. But when the Noble Marquis wrote that letter
he was in his Majesty's service. I will call your Lord-
ships' attention to the nature of the discussion 0 hich the
Noble Lord was at that time carrying on. The Noble
Lord began his government by a regular discussion with
the subjects respecting this pointor iz.wheiher applications
should be made to Parliament )rs revise the law im-
posing civil disabilities upon the Roman Catholic inha-
bitants of the country ? The Noble Lord afterwards
received directions to consider with the Law Officers of
the Crown Of the means of putting down the Associa-
tion by a prosecution, Or by any legal proceedings.
f he Noble Marquis did consider that question. I ask,
then, whether this measure with Di. Curtis is consi:tent
with the measures which he was directed to take with.
respect to the putting down of the Catholic Associa-
tion? Then the Noble Margins issued a proclamation
of thelst of October. I ask the Noble Lord whether
the agitation alluded to in hii letier is consistent with'
that proclamation ?—whither what he recommends in
that proclamation is consistent with what he afterwards'
thought proper to write ? After this proclamation he
gave directions for 'the procecution of Me. Lawless.
ask whether that was consistent ? The whole tenour of
his correspoirdei:ce, flons which I might take much
more copious extracts, would show that the Noble Mat-
guts was sensible, from the commencement of his Go-
tvernment, set the evils that would arise to the country
lf it were allowed to be agitated uptin• the question of
Catholic Einancipation. * Yet he leaves the country a
legaiy by recommending them to continue 'hat very sys-
tem of agitation which he had lorig known to be injui ions.
Ifwas quite impossible, after that Idler, that the Noble
Lord couldcontintle at thelsead of theGovernnient r f Ire.
lead. I really must state, in jhstice to myself, and to those
who ate in office with'me, that I ought to read some of
the letters se loch parsed between the Government of the
Noble Lord and the Right Honourable the Secretary of
State upon this subject ; but I feel that I have already
taken up so much lime that I will not dO so now. In
conclusion I have only to say, that 'Chace never, since
I have sat in this House, entered into any discu.sion
with more pain to myself than the present, and I should
have avoided it altogether had I not felt it a duty which
the'public would expect from me to make a reply co
what had fallen from the Noble Marquis.
The Marquis of ANGLESEY said—l shall merely
-make a single observation upon the declaration of the
Noble Doke, in which he asserts bil conviction that bii
Majesty never could have given me permission to teed
the letters which I have this day laid before the House.l
beg leave to say, that I had his Majesty's express permi+.
situ' to read any papers which I might consider necesfi
wary in my vindication. I have produced those papers;
and I think, if the Noble Duke car, consider that I have,
asserted that which is false, that it would be well for
him to recommend his Majesty to take away from me'
all those hoi:ours which he has conferred upon me, and
which I still tetain. The N.rble Duke seems to think
that I have kept back a great part of the correspon
dente which would have told very much against me.
The Deke of WRLLINGTON—No, No!
The Marquis of ANGLESEY—You certainly said
something very much like it. MY Lords,• the Noble
Duke quoted passages from a letter in which he says he
made me acquainted with his opinion upon the Catholic
'question. I have read that letter with great attention,
but I confess I am utterly unable to discover anything
in it by which it would be possible for me to know
what his sentiments were upon the subject I cer-
tainly can collect nothing that is favourable to the
Claims, but that, on the contrary, he thought the
measure of Emancipation would serve only' to agi-
tate and disturb the country. I still persist that
I have to complain of the 'fact, that the. first idea I
had of the kl,ible Duke's having any wish to concede
'to the Catholics was the letter that the King's Prime
Minister wrote to the Primate of Ireland. It was
through this source, and no other, that I, as the Kings
representative in Ireland, received the first intelligence
lof the intended measure of the English Government.—
I think there must have been some strange mistake in
the printing of that letter of mine, hem which the
Noble Duke has read the word is agitate; as I feel
convinced that I never made use of that word myself.
It would be easy, however, at any time to refer to
the letter in my own hand-writing, when all doubt
upon the subject could be put at rest. I ask, therefore,
if this correspondence is to tell so much against me,
why that letter is not produced ? There is no Mate, ial
merit that I know of in the proclamation which I issued
in October last, and which has been alluded to by the
Noble Duke; but I must say, if there is any merit, that
it is not due to this Government, for I wrote several
times to this country upon the subject, but received no
answer; so that I at last put it forth upon my own re-
sponsibility. With respect to the case of Lawless,
consulted with the Law Officers of the Crown,
becattse it would be necessary to arrest him before

I could receive an answer from slats countrs.—
The day after my arrival from Ireland, I requested an
interview with his Majesty, which was kindly granted.
I then told his Majesty that I did not think he had seen
the letters which had been so much tarKed about. His
Majesty said he had; but as I expressed a doubt, from
the impression which had been made upon hie mind,
that he bad read only parts of them, his Majesty, to
satisfy every doubt that. I might entertain upon that
head, immediately took them up, and read every word
they contained.' When he had done so, he told me that
['was at liberty to make use of all, or airy, of them, in
the tintlication which I should consider necessary to
make to this House, and I have made use of them ac-
ccirdingly.—The motion was then negatived.
The House adjourned at Emmy o'Cusca.
HOUSE OF COMMONS. ,
Mr. DICKINSON piesented a Petition from the Woollen
Manufacturers of Frome in Sontersetddre, praying that the trade
with India might be opened. The Had Member also presented a
Petition from the Parish of St. Michael, Batts, praying fora repeal
of the House and Window Tax. •
Lord W. PAULIZTT presented a Petition from the Shipowners
and Merchants of Sutherland. praying that the trade with lathe
might be
Sir It. KI;tetUHAR presented a Petition ftnm an inhabitant
of the Island of Mauritius, praying for relief front some grievances
under which be laboured.
Ills. FONTAINE WILSON presented a Petition from a
Parish in Yorkshire, praying for a repeal of the House and WM.
dew Tax.
Mr. R. HILL presented a Petition from Thomas Boyce, a Ser.
jeant in the Salop Militia, against a reduction in the Militia Staff.
Mr. N. CALVERT presented a Petition from a Silk Manufac-
tures, praying that the duty on foreign thrown silk might not be
reduced. .
Mr. C. N. PALLMRR presented a Petition from the Pay.
master of the Surrey Militia against a reduction in the Militia StaiL
Mr. DUGDALR presented a Petition from Birmingham
against a Bill POW before the House relating to Resists Settlements.
Mr. SLANEY supported the clause objected to.
Sir F. KN A rcH BULL thought the Bill capable of improve-
Imenc, hut would reserve his observations respecting it until the
second reading._

Mr. ItOLINSON presented five Petitions front different indi-
viduals concerned in the Silk Trade, against a reduction of duty us
foreign thrown silk.
The second reading of the Juvenile Offenders Bill was deferred
.to Wednesday neat.

Mr. W Hfrmons postponed his motion retain to the Atfdirs
of ladia to o future day.
M. LYTTLETON, in presenting a petition front
Mr. Symcox. complaining of not having received com-
pensation. according to the Convention entered into be.
teen the Governments of Great Britain and Spain,
respecting the liquidation of the reciprocal claims of
the subjects of both kingdoms on each other. censured
the partial conduct of the Commissioners in the Ms.
posal of these claims. The Honourable Me:nber en.
' tered into a detail of the circumstances attending the
case, as bas already appeared before the public. and
concluded by expressing his hr.pes that the Chancelloll
of the Ezchequer would not offer any opposition to the
liquidation of the claim of the petite. tier, it, on due
consideration, it should be found to merit it.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the question offered for the consideration of the
House was, whether they should re-consider a subject
which had been previously discussed, and decided by
the Committee of Penance? He would object tout, not
only on the gronnds'of its affording a bad precedent,
but also on' those of its internal merits. He admitted
that' the Commissioners had acted with much impu-
dence in being influenced by kind considerations toss ards
the petitioner, in holding out hopes to him, which they
could not consistently with their duty !Mize. The Right
Honourable Gentleman having explained the portico-
Ilars of the occurrences between the petitioner and the
Commissioners when the present claim was under con.
.iieration, observed, that for the reasons before sta.ed
he would oppose the payer of t'.e Petition.
Mr. K. DOUGLAS supported the Peaces!).
Mr. BERNAL maintained that as the Petitioner felt
aggrieved, and had no tiihunal to api cal to but Par.
Inice ent, he was entitled, in justice, t.' have his case in-
quired into.
Mr. THOMPSON thought that the Chancellor .of
the Exchequer had no right to °Fops.- an act of justice,
on the grounds of inconvenience, for that seethed to be
the principle on which his opposithin was founded. He
recommended to the Hoe:. Member fur Saiffordshiee to
press tht case to a C..stimitt-e.
Mr. ROBERT GRANT looked on the opposition of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the claims of the
Petitioner as a gross act of injuttice. It was not denied,
that the petitioner had been entitled so compensation,
according to preconvention, and it was admitted that
there were funds in hand adequate to that .purpose ;
under which circumsi S. es he could not reconcile it
with justice, to exclude the petitioner train even an in-
quiry into this case, merely because he had neglected
to comply with certain forms.
Mr. BARING thought the House of Commons the
worst tiebunal before which such a subject could he
brought, knowing. as he did, how C ))))) mittee. Mere
generally appointed, and bow Committees were in the
h4bit of inve.tigating into such subject,. He could nut
agree with some Hon. Members that the petitioner
would derive much benefit from'an inquiry.
Mr. C. PELHAM said a few word. to the same effect.
Mr. LITTLETON did not wish to press for a Com-
mittee, but he hoped that the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer, now seeing that there was a strong sense in
the House of justice having been withheld, uould
appoict a Committee,. with a view of satisfying the
,parties. There was a sum of 250,0001 in hand, and
one.fifth of that amount would liquidate the claims
of all those whose claims had been admitted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
not consent to the appointment of a Committee. •If all
tbuse who thought they had a right to compensation
were to be paid, or were allowed to have their claims
investigated, a million of money would not pay the
amount, and there would be no end to ir.quiries.
After a few wares from Mr. ROUST GUST. the Petition was
ordered to be on the Table.

Mr. HUME presented a Peados from the Samaritan Friendly
Society, praying cob, beard by Cosasel against the Frieudly Society
Bill now before the House.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD presented a Petition from the Corpo.
radon of Leith, praying that that Port might be incleded in the
Pores into which Foreign Silks might be imported. The Risht
Hon. Gentleman said, that the petitionen tittirely over-rated the
advantages to be derived from the privileges they sought tor.
Mr. HUME supported the prayer of the Petition, which pas
read. and ordered to be printed.
Lord J. RUSSELL presented a Petidon from certain inhabl.
tests of Rye, w
in Sussex, complaining of the state of the Reprea.
tation of the United Kingdom.
The Noma Lobo then presented a Petition from a Friendly

Society Meeting In Carnabi Market against the Friendly Societies
Rill.
Sir .1. MACINTOSH postponed his motion respecting ldr.
O'Reily's claim on the East India Company till to-morrow.
On the question being put that the Report of the Committee on
the Silk Trade be received,
Mr. FYLER said that notwithstanding whatlad been
already said on this subject, he could not refrain from
saying that this measure would be ruinous to the silk
trade, the tradesmen of which were already in the
greatest distress, id consequence partly of Want of em-
ployment, and the low rate of wages to sodas were at
wo. k. For his pan be should•like to see some measure
brought into Parliament for the regulation of tradesmed
and labourers' wages. He was Sure that the Bill before
the House would diminish the profits of the ma.nufds.