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IMPERIAL PARLIA
ROUSE op LORDS, JANDAILT 51.
The Mew vast at three o'clock. Prayers were read by the
%bop of Ramos.
mn► MIL
Lord &WWI Will introduced with the customary formalkles
aod sworn at the table. His Lordship's supporters woo lard.
Hamm mod Lord AUCILI4IIIII.
The House then adjourned during pleasure, which was until

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them to interfere. These were the plain and obvious
reasons for it, and there was nothing in their diplomatic
bmreelcaotienespwiirtthiesTtuo a tivaly
rkeyltwic
hahcvaing
lled • upon them not to
for its objeet the
pacification of Greece. After the experience they had
of the result of Interference in former cases, be could
'well understand the argument of a person saying that
they were tired of interfering in the affairs of other
countries, that the? should now look at home, and mind
their own business, drawing, in support of this doctrine,
trit exiled judo argument, from the affair of Navarin;
nod recommending that the contending parties in the
Mediterranean should be permitted to pursue their owul
commit. He should much regret, however, if England,
by sttehtonsiderations, could be driven for a moment
.from the execution of the treaty into which she had en
lered. Turkish blood had been shed. He was sorry for,
it, but it would appear from the sentimentsexpressed by
,some upon this subject, that slaughter might rage as it
pleased, so that the favourite blood of the Turks was not
shed. Far his part he approved of the Treaty. It
seemed to him to have originated in a generous spirit,
in a ley, of independuace, that fitl% ifielectly eon-
Idstent wills thilaw of nations, a was therefore
prepared to approve of the battle of Navarin. Nego-
ciation had been tried in vain, and the time was come
when necessity must supersede deference, and diplo•
macy be succeeded by force. He must express his re-
gret, not so much for what the Speech contained, as
for what it omitted to mention. It contailed no alto-
sion to any measures inten 'ed to be pursued with re-
spect to Ireland. Could Ministers be acquainted with
the state of that country ? Were they aware that two
thirds of the population were now unemployed, that
general discontent existed there, that thousands of the
inhabitants were severed from their country, that the
work of depopulation was rapidly going on, and that '
nothing but starvation stared those who remained in
the face. There was one circumstance in the state of
Ireland which should have attracted the attention of
Ministers in a most peculiar way. Were they aware
that seven millions of men had lifted up their voices,
and called for a restitution of their civil and political
rights ? The population were never more discontented
than at the present moment. For himself, he was dis.
posed to have every confidence in Ministers. There
oas no individual whom he should be mote ready to
support at the head of his Majesty's Councils than the
Duke of Wellington. if the principles of the Noble
Duke were such as he could concur in. He alluded
principally to one great and vital question, and upon
that it was impossible that he could ever concur in sen-
timent with the Illustrious Person alluded to. It might
be said that the Government, as before, was neutral on
this question; and that there was, therefore, nothing in
!its constitution which should induce him to withhold
Ibis support. He did not know how others might
feel, but he could not pledge himself to support
Ministers for three hundred and sixty-four days in
he year, while on the three hundred and sitty-
fifth he felt confident be must oppose them on one
great question, which lie looked upon as essen-
tial to the general tsaequiliity and happiness of the
empire. It would be most grateful to his feelings
to be able to pledge himself to the general support of
the Administration. That, however, not being the case,
he should be guided by circumstances ; and he trusted
be should have the firmness to stand by his principles.
Lord MORPETH said hr could not omit the oppor•
(unity which offered of making a few observations with
reference to one particular part of his Majesty's Speech.
He alluded to the expression which designated the bat-
tle of Navarin as an " untoward event.' It was true
that the Noble Lord (Palmerston) had denied that it
was intended to impute a particle of blame to the Mi-
nisters who signed the treaty, or to the Admiral who
fought the battle; but when he (Lord Morpeth) re.
fleeted that such was not the natural and obvious We-
reece to be deduced from his Majesty's Speech, or from
the observations of the Hon. Mover and the Hon. Se-
conder of the Address, he felt convinced that such denial
was elicited only by the strong expression of Parliament,
an.i he must still consider the epithet which his Majesty's
Ministers had placed in the mouth of the Sovereign,
commenting as it did upon a victory which caused the
heart of every lover of freedom to beat with joy, as an
epithet the most ill-selected, ungracious, and shabby,
that, if they had searched through the whole English
language, they could have found to employ.
Sir G. WARRENDER expressed his satisfaction at
finding that, in all quarters, the conduct of his Gallant
Friend (Sir E. Cedrington) was not only not blamed,
but was the subject of the highest praise. He was
anxious to say so much with reference to this brave and
distinguished Officer, who bad for so long a period
been an honour to his country.

C 115112 or DIVORCIF
Mr. ftestrusont was worn at the Bar, and presented papere from
the Ecclesiastical Court, consisting of the proceedinp in the case of
the Baron de &beck against kis wife, and the sentence tithe. Coen
thereon.
Papers were abo preeented from the Supreme Court of Judica-
ture for Ecciesisetioal Affairs at Madras, consisting of the pro-
ceedings and names of that Cosurt in the case of Keeley against'
his Wife.

WUCILUTTS.
Mr. Bsitts,frem the Bankrupt's Moe, presented a return of the
amber of Oonanheloas of Bankrupt issued from the ist of °e-
ndear, 1821, to the lac of October, 1827, pursuant to the order of
the Bosse.

COSY yawn.
Lord STANHOPE pre notice of Mt intention to more for a
morn el cite quantity at Corn
, Oral% led Will kierned awl
'lligailiPatountlies during eheiss geeevillitangulaNtly se reentries
from whence imported. Also for a raturn of the quantity of Fo.
reign Corn, Grain, and Meal, now in Warehouse. Also for a return
of the avetage prise of the various kinds of British Corn, during
the last year.

TIMMS WITS TOSI2OII POWISS.
Lord, DTJD LET presented, by command of ids Majesty, the se-
veral Treaties and Document' referred to in the Iting's Speech.

SUMAC* or I'IMILROE.
The LORD CHANCELLOR had to inform the House that
he bad received a complaint of a Breach of their Lordship. Privi-
leges having been committed by the arrest of Lord Hawarden, an
Irish Peer. If the facts were accurately stated, this was no doubt
a gross Breach of Privilege on the part of the Sheriff and Under-
Sheriffs. He would therefore move that Lord Hawarden be called
in and examieed.—Agreed to.
His Lordship was accordingly called in and swots at their Lord-
ships' tattle.
The LORD CHANCELLOR asked the Noble Lord what
complaint he bad to prefer?
Lord Ilawasnee stated, that on the 15th of September last he
was arrested by a Sheriff's officer of the name of Kemp.
The LORD CHANCELLOR desired the Noble Lord testate
slowly and distinctly his complaint, that his words might be taken
down by the Clerk.
Lord Hawausim then stated, that he was arrested in his own
house. A person called there about ten in the morning, and de-
sired to speak to biro. He was shewn into his drawing room,
whither bis Lordship went to see him. The person told him that
be had come upon some very unpleasant hosiaess of Lord Mover-
dest's

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said, that it was usual when
eases of Privilege were being beard by their Lordships for stran-
gers to withdraw. He therefore suggested that the bar should be
cleared.

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Strangers were accordingly ordered to withdraw, and their
Lordships contineed for mutt time in deliberation upon the case.
The Sherif and his tracers were summoned to appear at their
Lordships bar on Monday nest.
CATIBOUC clueseson.
Lord CLIPDEN, white strangers were excluded, asked the
Noble Duke at the head of his Majesty's Geverement whether it
was intended to introduce a BM for the repeal of the whole or any
part of the existing penal laws against the Boman Catholics ?
The Duke of WELLINGTON answered; that Government
bad no Intention of bringing forward any such measure.
The House then adjourned.
HOUSE OP COMMONS.
Several Members took the usual oaths and their mats.
WPM
The SreAxas was ordered to issue his Writ for the election
of a new Member to serve in the present Parliament, in the room of
of Mr. Bootle Wilbraham; wbo has been raised to the Upper House.
A Petition was presented from remain persons connected with
the Imperial Gas Consgany.—lt was referred to a Committee.

INDIAN WIDOWS.
Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a Petition from the Vicar,
Church Wardens, and Inhabitants of a certain parish in York•
shire, against the practice of burning Widows in India—Ordered
to be printed.

aILII/1134.
On the motion of Mr. Al.lemon WOOD a variety of Returns
connected with the Beer Trade, and embracing the year from
January, 1827, to January, 1888, were ordered.
GAOLS._
_ _ _

Mr. W. PEEL presented various Returns respecting the Gaols
of the country, which were ordered to be printed.
same azviugui.
On the motion of Mr. DAWSON, copies of the Reports of dif-
ferent Committees appointed to 'mutts into the collection of the
Revenue in /reload were ordered to be laid on the table.
Os the motion of Mr. SPRING RICK, an account was ordered
to be laid upon the table of the amount of grants made to Ire-
laad by the Imperial Pullman for six years from 1800, for
charitable lustitutioas, encouragement of Agriculture, Miscellaneous
Estimates, its.

LAND TAX.

Mr. G. BANKES gave notice that he should on Monday nest
mare for leave to bring in a Bill to exempt Roman Catholics from
the double pay of Land Tax.
The usual Sessional Committees and Standing Orders were voted.
♦DDIVISI.
- Mr. Cxcu. haeueses appeared at the Bar with the Repot' of the
Address.
The question being put that the Report be brought up,
Mr. BROWNLOW said, he should beg the indul-
gence of the House for a short time while he endea-
voured to explain what his views were with respect to
that part of the Speech from the Throne, in which allu-
sion has been made to the battle of Navarin. From
what had previously passed in the House, it was evi-
dent that the Speech would have been received with
undivided approbation, were it not for this particular
passage. After the explanation given by the Noble
Lord (Palmerston), he was ready to fall in with the ge
octal disposition of the House, and to express his appro-
bation of the Speech. If, however, he could suppose
that it contained a single word reflecting on the gallant
Officer who commanded in that affair, he should most
certainly oppose the Address. That gallant Officer was
placed in circumstances the most delicate and the most
difficult, and it was but justice to him to say, that he
conducted himself with as much wisdom and firmness
in the introductory part of the duties be had to perform
as gallantry and skill iu the battle of Navarin. The
universal opinion of the Navy was, that nothing was
ever planned with more judgment, or executed with
more gallantry:—nothing which redounded more to the
creclit of the British Navy for coolness and intrepidity;
and he thought it no less honourable to the nation than
it was to the individual. While avowing theta senti-
ments, he wished it at the same time to be understood,
that he was hostile, generally speaking, to any inter-
fereace with the internal affairs of other countries. It
seemed, however, somewhat strange that those very
persons who, upon former occasions, recommended
interference in the affairs of Austria, as relating to
Italy, and who censured what had been done with re-
gird to Genoa, should now, for the first time, manifest
a disposition to complain of such a line of policy as re-
garded Greece and Turkey. He was as little disp
as any man to see this country interfering beyond those
natural boundaries which Norma= seemed to have
assigned to her. But it was one thing to interfere tot-
necessarily, and another to stand by and see with in-
difference the shedding of human blood. The interests
of humanity, of commerce, and civilla Aims, called upon

Mr. HOBHOUSE said he-was desirous of putting a
question to the Noble Lord opposite, the only one of
the Knights who at present sat at King Arthur's round
table—Was it his intention to move for a vote of thanks
tin the Gallant Officer, Sir Edward Codrington ? If not,
he (Mr. Hobhouse) would assuredly do so. He would
also take the liberty of asking the Noble Lord, whether
or not it was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to
lay upon the table of the House the report of a distin-
guished Naval Officer, who, it was understood, had
been sent out to the Mediterranean, to inquire into the
circumstances which took place previous to, and at, the
affair of Navarin; and who must have brought home
accurate information on the subject?
Mr. DUNCOMBE expressed his conviction that the
word " untoward" had not been misapplied to the
affair of Navarin. Sir Edward Codringtoo was, it was
true, acting up to the letter of his instructions, but be
(Mr. Duncombe) considered the battle of Navarin as an''
unfortunate and an untoward event.
Mr. SPRING RICE was desirous of asking a ques-
tion of the Noble Lord opposite, which no doubt be
would answer with his usual candour and fairness. It
bad gone abroad, that it was the intention of Govern-
ment to introduce some measure for the pacification of
Ireland, and until he (Mr. S. Rice) saw whether such
were or were not to be the case, he would abstain from
entering on the subject; but he derived some consola-
tion from the circumstance of Ireland being altogether
omitted from the King's Speech, because, three years
since, a Message was brought down from his Majesty,
calling the attention of Parliament to the circumstance
of certain,Societies being formed in that country, to
consequence of which a Bill was brought in, which tn et
the decoded opposition of many Members of both sides
of the ROAM. So warmly indeed was it contested, that
ha believed it was disarmed, at one stage no less than,
lite successive nights. Now, that Dill mimed an the

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EPRIeE SRVIINPENCS.

to-
tie of the present Sessioo—that Bill which hod ban.
strenuously opposed on one side as onsonsaiesslosin,
unjust, and interfering with the natural 44,bis of man,
and supported on the other as necessary for She protec-
tion of the country. It retold expire during the fission,
and he wished to know, whether it were tbeintentiesof
his Majesty's Ministers to propose its renewal ? It had
been found totally ineffectual, and as no allusion to it had
been made in his Majesty's Speech, he argued that there
Was no intention to renew it. It was argued when that
Bill was before Parliament, that some such measure
was necessary, or else it was necessary to apply some
other remedy. Now, the Bill had been proved to be
useless, and what, be would ask, vsasthe other refted7
to be propomd ? He expected to see the present-Go-
' vernment improve, because he expected to see it propose
a measure
_with refill nice to the Corn Laws, orhich
would be satisfactory to the country at large. He ex-
pected to see it maintain the principles of free trade—
(Cries of No, no, Hear, hear.) Ifeearcted to see those
principles advocated on the other side, of the House,
and wherever he bad his seat, be trustees that his cop-
dime would &extra/data= It was golf kg Vianit stews
that the Government could stand, because it was only
by such a system it could gain the confidence of the
country.
Lord PALMERSTON said, befibe be attempted to
answer the questions that had been put to him, he wished
to observe, with reference to that expression to ohis:h
so much objection bad been made, that there was no
subject on which he was more anxious to be well under-
stood. He had stated that the words of his Majesty's
Speech were not intended to imply censure on any
party. He had stated this fact particularly, and he
now desired to repeat it—the words of his Majesty's
Speech were not intended to imply censure on any perry.
A collis;on hard unexpectedly taken place, and it' woos
event to be regretted. It could not be derfed chart that
was an untoward event, the undoubted tendencylkf
which was to interrupt, Or tlitovii,bsracler in tbs.,*
of the treaty which was even yet pendiig. In that Sense,
therefore, no man could deny that the battle Oflga4.o-
- however honourable to our arms, was an uthoiraid
event. But as far as related to the character of Sir
Edward Codrington, he could assure the Wu.e it had
never been the intention at Ministers to cast the slightest
blame on that (Salient Officer—(Hear.) Nothing in his
Majesty's Speech could warrant such an inference. It
was, therefore, exceedingly unfair to put such a con-
struction upon the passage so often alluded to—(Hear.)
In reply to the question respecting the intention of Mi-
nisters to propose a vote of thanks to Sir Edward Cod-
rington and his gallant companions, he could only sty,
that he was not aware of any such intention on the pelt
of his Majesty's Ministers. tie believed no precedent
could be found for a vote of thanks for services, Ws.
mr glorious, and however brilliant; if perfotmed
against a power with which Oh country had not been
actually at war—(Hear.) To the Hon. Member's ques-
tion, whether it was the intention of Government to lay
certain papers connected with that event on the table of
the House, he must reply in the negative. No person had
censured, or attempted to censure, Sir Edward Cochin-
ton. No necessity existed, therefore, for the production
of documents for his justification. The Hon. Gentle-
man would see, that besides being unnecessary, this in-
convenience would arise from the production of those
papers, that as they bore so immediately upon negotia-
tions still in progress, they might—indeed they must
—produce an injurious effect upon those negociations.—
He thought it, therefore, and he hoped the Hou:e also
would concur with him in thinking, that it would be
extremely inexpedient to produce those papers until the
negotiations were' 'terminated in one way or other.--
Should it unfortunately happen that those negotiations
should fail, then it would become the duty of Ministers
to lay before Parliament not only the papers particu-
larly referred to by the Hon. Member, but many others
also, in order to pus the House in full possession of the
whole subject. He would, however, again appeal to
the Hon. Member, and to the House, against pre-sing
for the production of papers, the publication of u hick
would be likely to defeat those very objects which, he
was quite sure, the Hon. Gentleman himself had in
view. The Hon. Member for Limerick had asked, was
it the intention of Ministers to propose the renewal of
what be called the Illegal Association Act? That law
would not expire until the end of the present Session
of Parliament. The Government, as the House
would recollect, bad been only very recently farmed,
and, of course, had no: had time yet to drermine open
all the measures to be proposed to Parliament. It
was not, consequently, in his power to answer the
question of the Honourable Member. • But, he would
repeat, as the Act would not espire before the end
of the Session, no inconvenience could result horn his
inability to give the information required. Tto Hon.
Member for Armagh had remarked upon the omission
'of all mention of Ireland in his Majesty's Speech. He
(Lord Palmerston) could assure that Honourable Gen-
tleman and the House, that the omission complained of
could by no possibility have arisen from any indiffe-
rence on the part of his Majesty's Ministers to the state
of that important portion of the empire. Whether in
favour of or opposed to the Catholic Question, he could
assure the Honourable Gentleman his Majesty's Go-
vernment was most anxious and sincerely disposed to
do every thing possible to promote the tranquillity and
the welfare of Ireland—(Hear).—lt was not usual for
his Majesty, in bit Speech to Parliament, to advert to
any particular portion of the empire, unless some cir-
cumstances should have arisen in it since Parliament
had separated, to which it would be necessaty to direct
their attention. He was happy to say, in the present
instance, that since Parliament had last separated, nor-
st thing
dh acda Iti
"Ireland—(Hear, bear, bear).—lt would be paying to
a k
thee aptitaeenetio n whichof Parliamentreci aierilhpaleoktiicsairarallyeseYto
Ireland a bad compliment—it would be pleas; heron
a footing with our foreign colonies—were her situation
and interests to be considered separately from those of
Great Britain. It wps true, and a melancholy truth it
was, that in Ireland much distress existed in come.
quence of the want of employment. That subject, how-
ever, as well as the question of Emigration, would. at a
future day come regularly and in detail before Paslia.
meat a any discussion of it now would therefore be pre-
mature and useless. He confessed that it was quite um.
mug that the most intense's:logy 'hostas fellialreland,
respecting the imututioas of floyernineat on eh* Abject
of the 0116111i4 Claims, but be had hopmfdern4he dia-
meter qi the Right Hog. Gentleness, thiSememey fee
Ireland, whose whole coldest slosekbie eineriniblato
offies bad conciliated end pleased every class of persons