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remarhed; dial his siil4 w44oistened to till he said
they must begin by setting isido Mr. Carr's own Act.
Ile thought an inquiry ought to be instituted into the
subject. If a Committee were appointed, he was ready
to devote his time to it. -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
did not know what sort of answer wai required from
him, and that he thought unnecessary importance was
attached to it. Mr. Price had been frequently consulted.
He hid seen Mr. Price on the subject, and, as far as he
could understand him, his plan was to increase the
already overloaded trade in tobacco with regulations
which would be injurious to the small dealers, and so
useful to the large dealers, as to give them a species of
monopoly. But reduction of duty formed no pat of
Mr. Price's plan. At last there came a Bill (Mr. Carr's),
from which time Mr. Carr had become the object of
Mr. Price's peculiar dislike. If Mr. Carr had a
fault at all, it was in multiplying restrictions and
regulations, which would, according to Mr. Price, di.
mulish the fees. He submitted that Mr. Price had no
reason to complain of neglect ; his plans had been
investigated; and he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
must again remark that he did not understand Mr.
PI ice's plans.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, it was hopeless to think of
increasing the revenue where the duty was different from,
and disproportionate to the price—(Hear). Tiirty-two
years ago, 9,000,000 pounds of tobacco paid duty ; now
it was not 3,800,000 pounds; and did they believe that
there was any reduction of the consumption of the
article? What was wanted was a reduction of the dttty ;
and that was of consequence to the morals of the people
is well as to the revenue, by the diminution of smug-
gling. As to Mr. Carr, he was manifestly interested in
the continuation of the present system. Had Mr. Carr
ever recommended a redaction of the duty ?—(Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,

Mr. Carr had observed that there was no protection
against smuggling like low duties ; and that he had
never met with any man like Mr. Carr, as far as re-
garded little consideration for self. With respect to the
regulation about cigars, he was sure it came not from
Mr. Price; but he had never known any beneficial re-
gulation without many persons claiming the merit of
proposing it.
Mr. CALCRAFT said, the Petitioner distinctly as-
serted that kis propo.itions respecting cigars were acted
upon.—Petition ordered to be printed.
aTATi PAPIRS. _

• Mr. Secretary CANNING said be had certain Papers
to present to the House. the nature of which he would
state in a few words. The first was the Copy of a
Treaty, concluded with the Emperor of Brasil, for
the total abolition of the Slave Trade.—{Hear, hear I)
-tit was similar to the Treaty entered into with
Portugal for the same purpose. It stipulated for the
abolition of the trade within three years after the dam
of the treaty. The second was the Coaventioe marred
into between his Majesty and the United States of
America, relative to the claims of the latter for slaves
taken away during the war. This matter had at first
been referred to the arbitration of the Emperor of
Itiissia, and his Majesty the Kiog of the Netherlands,
but without bringing the matter to a close. The dis-
cussions had been since continued and brought to a
final decision by the present Convention. Three years
back he bad obtained a vote on account of 200,0001.
with a view to the adjustment of the claims set up by
America. The sum at first demanded was 2,000,0001.
She had, however, agreed to accept 1,204,960 dollars.
The third paper was the completion of that corres-
pondence entered into with the American Government
respecting the claims of the United States, to trade with
the British West India Colonies. Six letters bad been
interchanged upon this subject, three of which were al-
ready published, and it was judged proper that the re-
maining three also should be submitted to the House,
and to the public. All the e papers were printed.—The
Papers were ordered to lie upon the table.

MIN ILIIMIIIII LAWS.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT asked whether It was proposed to
introduce any change in the mode of proceeding in Revenue pro-
scentless in Ireland?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there was,
he believed, a Ball in preparation on the subject.
111 r. HERRIES said such a Bill was in preparation. and wink'
be laid before the House either before or immediately after the
Holidays. By this Bill the jurisdiction in Revenue cases woald
be assimilated in both countries.
Mr. HUME asked whether the Correspondence now laid upon
the table by the Right Honourable Gentleman (hlr. Canning), re-
lative to the intercourse between America sad the British Cott:rain
in the West ladies, was final?
Mr. Secretary CANNING,: I cannot say whether it be final
or not. I had the last word."
11.011 AN CATMOLICAL
Mr. GRATTAN presented a Petitioa from the Roman Catholic
Freeholders of the County of Westmeath, praying for the repeal of
the Laws affecting them.—Ordered to be printed.
SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the D.sy for the House going iuto a Com-
mittee of Supply.
Mr. MABERLY said, he wished to make a few ob-
sea rations before the Speaker left the Chair. It was his
fixed opinion that the-House ought to come to a deter.
asination to vete only small sums on account, until such
time as they had a full statement of the ways and
means by which it was proposed to meet the Supply.
This, at all times, would be the proper course, and it
was never more necessary than at present. The Right
Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to'd
them, that he would have a Sinking Fund of 5,000,0001.
and held out expectations of a considerable diminution
of the Unfunded Debt. How had these proinises been
kept? He had no such thing as a Sinking Fund of
5.000,0001. A Loan had been granted to the Right Hon.
Gentleman, for the purpose of paying off six millions of
the eleven millions due to the Bank of England. He
raised 3 500,0001. on Exchequer Bills, and 3 000.0001.
were paid by the Commissioners of the Sinking Fund.
The Right Hon. Gentleman took 4,500,0001. in money,
sod applied it to the Ways and Means of the year.—
Eight million Annuities were sold to the Bank, of which
two millions were bought back again ; 3,500,0001. were
thee paid to the Commissioners of the Sinking Fund,
sod the Exchequer Bills in the market were reduced
to 3,470,C,001. Taking into account the amount of
Funded Debt 13,ught and sold, and the Exchequer
' Bills issued, it would appear that there was hardly any
reduction of debt at all. lie could not think that the
4.500,0001. had been legally appropriated. Within the
4 last qoar:er he believed 1,200 0001. had been applied f r
• the reduction of the debt; and for his past he could not
e conceive how it had been done. The Right Hon. Gen-
' tleman must have borsovred from the Bank, or ob-
t rained it -from some ether soutce of which he was-totally
I:nt. With sespsct to the Sinking Fund, as now
11raaged, it was a mere delusion. The Commissioners
merely laid out with one hand what they teceived with
another. It was high time tiat a Committee should