Star.
London, England, 1816-04-05 00:00:00

STAT 2 nit IRCLAND.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT tieserved, that having
given notice of his intention this day to submit to the
Howie a motion respecting the state of Ireland, lie
had flattered himself, that however unworthy and in.
capable of the task he might be, yet that the maple.
tulle of tf.e eiibject would have insured a Intl attend-
ance in the House.—( tar, h,:ar, hear!) He felt too
strongly the importance of the question, involving as
it did the tranquillity and welfare cf so large a put
of the British Empire, to se-neire to agitate it is
a House so .thin as that which h, was addressing.
(Hear, hear.) With every respect therefore for those
who had done him the honour to attend on the occa.
sinn, he felt that he should not di-.;charge duty to
the country', if he did not postpone his muion until
the 21th, when he did hope that Honourable Gentle-
men, whatever might be their opinion of the incem.
.potence of the person who was to address then%
would at least think proper:.to be present at the dis-
cussion of a subject of such paramount importaoce—
(Hear, hear.)
Sir N. COULTHURST approved of the Hon.
Baronet's determination,' and expressed his hope that
there would be a fuller attendance when the subject
was brought forward.
Sir E. BR YDGES suggested a later period than
the 24th ; but • • •- • -
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that W he appointed
a later time, he should Lose the assistance on the ques-
tion of talents and eloquence, with which he could
not dispeme.
Mr. PEEL fully coincided la the surprise and fa•
isret of the Hon. Baronet at the thinness of attend•
mice on the present 'occasion. Whatever variety of
opinion might exist as to the political condition(); Ire-
land, it was utiquestionably a subject of paramount
importance. He cordially c.‘nctirrei
the propnety
of postponing the discussioe
Mr.. PLUNISErf ever ely concurred in the semi.
merits so properly expresses by the Right HOBOUr•
able Gentleman
who had just spoken. He most ele:
I peaty recommended to hic Majesty's Government tct.
avail themselves of the interval which would ecru-
before the agitition of the question, to turn the";
minds to the serious consideration of the sallied; for
he was satisfied that r.o partial measures could be. plo
posed -by any individual which would effectUally mat
the existing evils ; but that a geneual system muse be
adopted, in order to cure the.: adical v:ces of the Go'
veintnent of that country.
Lord CASTLEREAQH admitted, that it would
r not be satisfactory to the individual bringing forward
this subject, or creditable to Parliament itself, to 410‘
tate so large a question in so small a House.
hoped that when the %tieject should be brought r9l:
ward, it would meet a itli the undivided attenuon oi
the House, and experience a calm and temrrate die
cussion. it was impossible to expect that the cosi'
Aeration of a subject so extensive could be closed is
one year; but it behoved the House to watch over
'the rising greatness of Ireland, and to discover the
best remedy. for those evils by which it had so long
been repremed. Free as tile investigation would, as
he trusted, be, from the spi; it of party, anduabiassed
by ahy considerations but the public good, he CO.
tessed that be should look to the result with the
greatest confidence and expectation.
• Mr. lE .agreed entirel,y with w'iat
bgell-said .4.these Honourable Members who tust.

pecedal him. Be onky hoped dee Right Hopparabin
baronet meld move for a COIL the Hou* foci**
jay
.to whick be had port .aced his motion. He
laiktie) assured the Houser that it had been
with the greatest struggle with his own feelings that
lobed abstained from the commencement of the
t Session to. bring under the consideration of
ibt How the misconduct of a certain Magistrate in
Land, thinking that the most proper opportunity
would be when tbe'State of Ireland should come
under consideration. It, was a case of the greatest
injustice and oppression to the individuals concerned,
and which he had intended to bring forward under
'lnform of a Revision of the Magistracy. He wished
to ask a question of the Right Hun. Secretary for
Ireland, namely, whether the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland had given any answer to the Memorial of the
Messrs. Egan, of Roscrea, a copy of which he had
in his pocket.. and meant to have produced, had the'
evicted debate gone on.
Ur. PEEL said, that the Memorial to which the
Hoe. Gentleman alluded, had bees referred to the
proper tribunals.
Mr. PONSONBY, after recommending,, in con-
• mews with the Noble Lord, a calm, dispassionate.
and impartial consideration of this important guts-
tioo, Laid, that he bird One earnest wish to express
epon it, and that without luny intention of giving of-
fence to the Irish Representation in that House,
*Ripely, that whenever it might be brought forward,
there might be a full attendance, not only of the ,
Irish representation, but of the British representation ;
fortis conviction was,, that in the temper and spirit
of the pritish representation, exercised in the investi-
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• of the evils by which Ireland had been so long
oppressed, would be found their best remedy.
. PLUNKET again urged the necessity of the
adoption, not of a particular measure, but of a new
system with respect to Ireland. The system on which
the Government of Ireland had hitherto been con.
Mined was so radically erroneous, that the existing
evils ueuld not be touched, unless the steps which had
been takers were retraced, and the system which had
been pursued was utterly destroyed.
Mr. V. FITZGVidtALD congratulated the House
on the disposition so generally manifested on this im-
portant subject. He recommended the Honourable
Baronet to move for a C4ll of the House on the day
on which he intended to bring forward his proposition.
Atter some further discussion, in which Sir J.
NtwPoRT. Mr. SHAw Laravas, Mr. HART DAVIS,
Mr. W. Sutra, Sir E. BRYDURS, and Mr.BAOWELt.
panicipated, Sir J. Neurienor fixed his motion tor the'
16dt of April, instead of the 24th ; arid on that day
it was ordered that the House should be called over.
MALT DUTY.
The House- having resolved into a Committee on
the Malt Acts,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved a Resolution, the tendency of which *ls to
allow a drawback of 2s. a bushel in England, and 18.1
in Scotland on every bushel of Malt in hand (having I
paid the exisking duty), ou the sth of July.
Mr. CURWEN recommended that the duty should
cease instantly, instead of being continued until the
sth of July. The AIWA() of revenue which would
be sacrificed by such a measure, was a trifle, com-
pared with the benefits which the agriculture of the
country would derive from it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that the inforrnatien which be had received
covinced him that a compliance with the recom-
mendation of the Honourable Gentleman would in.
solve a much greater sacrifice of revenue than the
Honourable Gentleman imagined; and that instead
of £IOO,OOO ne less a sum than 7 or £BOO,OOO would
be lost by it.
Mr. CURWEN complained that the public had
sit yet benefited in the article of Patter, by the low
price of Malt.
Mr. W. SMITH maintained, that although the
pee of Porter had not been diminished, the quality
bed been recently much improved.
Sit M. W. RIDLEY contended, that it was useless
to repeal a duty, to the great injury of the revenue,
unless the consumer reaped the advantage of it. The
plgic had a right to expect that Porter would be se-
dated in price a penny a pot.
Mr. BRAND understood that it was the intention
lithe Porter Brewers to lower the price of Porter as
waits the duty should be entirely taken off. It an
immediate reduction were to take place, it would be
esanary to allow them a .drawback on the immense
tort of matt sig4eily had in hand.
Mr. CURW • ght no brewer ought to be
glowed to sell beei'cir ale under a certain degree of
amegth ; and therefore, in case any alteration was
made, it ought always to be in the price and not in
•the quality. He believed the profits lately made in
the trade were greater than they ought conscien-
tiously to have been.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHgQUER
*led, that some relief to the brewer was necessary.
Mr. W. SMITH said, according to the best in-
formed Porter Brewers, the proposed diminution in
Ile Malt duty would not make to them a halfpenny
*in difference—the nearest fraction was four.fiiths
akalfpenny—it would therefore be very injurious
*dm to have it go abroad, that the difference
adverted to a penny. He was not sure himself that
thfirst calculation was perfectly correct, but he was
"re the calculation of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Curwen)
"Is wrong. As to what had been said of the strength
ak and porter, he hoped his Honourable Friend'
ld point out what means there were of ascertaining
10elt strength, for he knew of none.
Mr. CURWEN did not think there could be so
ankh difficulty in ascertaining the quality and
ttreallth of porter and ale as his Honourable Friend
smiled to think. He had calculated himself the
duty to be taken off at three farthings, though he
sught bi wrong. What was the price before the
"Poition of the War Duty ? That duty produced
aft enhancement in the price of one penny.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
said, in 1802 a duty was imposed on malt, &c. cal-
culated to increase the price. to the public one ha.
"Ilmr pet pot. In the subsequent year. after Ere
neement of the war, the duty which was now
:list to expire, and which was laid entirely on malt,
41i!ewise calculated to enhance the price one
If 7.
11.14 WM. SMITH said be knew nothing of the
himself-411 he wished for was, that it should
Milo out to the public that one penny a pot was a
filt sisduction. He knew ; by which the

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strength. 0r P.srte.td 0411. be tiiett but. tbat eniployed
in the cicz of spirits, 4al this would nut, answer
with .beer. - • - . .

The Reinlotion was then agreed td, and the. Re.,
port ordered te be reeeivad to.enorrow.
Mr. CUItWEN asked if the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had in contemplation any modification of
the tax on riding horses, in the case of small farmers
paying less that) 470 telly?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he hope 4 to be able to submit some proposition
to the. House on the subject of horses employed by
farmers on Monday next..-
Mr. CURWEN said, he did not mean to press the
repeal of the taxes on horses employed in apiculture,
because the fewer then were the better—lie meant
riding.horses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he should also propose some abatement of the
Tax on A ricultural Horses.
. Sir C.MONCK said, the Tax on Agricultural
Horses was not so much a Tax on the occupier of
small farms as on the farmer of bad land.
, • On a question from Mr. W. SMITH respecting the
open sale of Spirits, not acknowledged by the. Reve-
nue Laws in Ireland ;
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he should be able to give some information to
the Honourable-Geotleman on the subject to-morrow,
when he should move for a Committee of the whole
House, to take into consideration the Scuich Distil-
lery Laws.—Adjourned,

A LIST OF THE MINORITY
TUAT VOTCZ. It It Mt. TIIMNICY'II MOTION T 0 *ROLM ?II

OSFICII or SECKITAIT Or STATE toll 715 WAR DIPAIIt!
MINT IN TIME Or ?SACS.
Abercr.,mby, Hon.J. Gordon, R. . Osborne Lord F.
ithboipe, Vhiroont Oren,/11, Pascoe Palmer, Charles
Amon, Hon. G. grain, J. P. , Peirse, 11.
Brand, Hon. T. Hamilton, Sir H.D. Poosonby, Rt. fibs.
Barham, Joseph F. Heron, Sir R. George
Baring, Sir T. Hornby. E. Powlett, Hon. W. ,
Baring, Alex. • Howard, Hon. W.. Prittie, Hon. F. A.
Baker, John Hughes, W. L. Pym, Francis
Bennet, Hon. H. G. Jervob, G. P. Ramsden, J. C.
Birch, Joseph Knox, T. Ridley, Sir M. W. • ,
Rolland, John Lambton, J. G. &moldy, Sir S.
Brougbiun, Henry Langton, W. G. Rouell, Lord W.
Burrell, Hon. P.D. Leader, W. Russell, Lord U. W.
BYns, George Lemon, Sir W. Seadamore, R. P.
Calcraft, lobo Lloyd, J. M. Sefton, Earl al
Calvert, Nie. Lyttletoo, Hnn. W. Sharpe, R.
Calvert, Charles Matsibitaid, James Smith, Samuel
Campbell, Geo. Maitland, Hon. A. Smizli, Abet
Cavendish, Hon. H. Markham, Admiral Smith, Wm.
1 Gaulfield, lion. H. Martin. John Fehrighti Sir J.
Carew, R. S. Methuen, Paul Tavistock, Marquis
Cocks, Hon.!. 8. Mdtuo, Viie. Taylor, Chutes
I Croevey,Thousas Molyoeux,ll. H. Tleniey, Rt. Hon. G.
1 Cursor° 1. C. Mooch, Sir C. Thomptoo, Thos.
DiAllani:oo, Vise. Moore, P. Townsbend, Lord C.
Dundas. Hon. L. Jdorland, S. B. Tremayne. J. H.
Durant, Charles ?donnish, Vibe. Warn:, John A.
Ebringtoo, Vise. Neville, Hui. R. Waldtgrave, Hoo.
.Elliot, Right Hoa.W. Newport, sir J. Captain
Fazakerley, N. Newman, Wm, W.lpole, Hon. Gels.
Ferguson, Sir R. C. Northey, Wm. Weu.xn, C. C.
Fitzroy, Lord Y. North, Dudley Wilkins, Walter
Folkestone, Vise,. Nugent, Lord TELLERS.
Fremantle, Wm. O'Hara, Charles Sitythe, J. H.
Fyors, Henry Oseuiston, LA.rtl Wynn', C. W.

DEITCH MAIL.
BRUSSELS, MARCH SO.
The reports mat the French army will net be vim-
pitted this year are confirmed. 'lke regiments of ca-
valry, at Lille and Arras, have not more than two or
SOO men, and take no recruits—the number of horses
required for them is comp:ate. Most of them are
from the army of the Loire. the National Guards
do the duty with the greatest seal in those fortresses
where there is no garrison of the Allied troops.
The first Aid-de-Camp of the Duke of Wellington
is arrived here from Paris, charged with a special
mission, the object of which is not known. It seems
that the delay of the departure of the Duke of Wel-
lington frem Paris to review the Army of Occupa-
tion, which has been to often announced, is con-
nected with some affair of great importance, which
is not yet sufficiently cleared up.
All the French who are named in the Ordinance
of the 24th of July must allsolptely leave this city.
The necessary orders have been given to hasten their
departure. Merlin de -Denny, who was already em-
barked, but wrecked off Flushing, is going to Ant-
werp, to embark again for America. General Excel-
mans is gone. Messrs. ilistrel and Bury de St. Vi-
men t, who wrote in the Nei* Jame, and who have staid
beyond the time that was granted them, have beets
conveyed out of the city by the police.
The number of houses that are to be pulled down,
for the purpose of fortifying Charleroi, is 160. Steps
are to be immediately taken to indemnity the proprie-
tors, so that none of them shall suffer by this measure.