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et sevareignty, and to Westland in subverting the laws
and the religion of the people of England. But, Sir, we
am anted, *pt's el fliffiSfillN, " what have you to pro-
poste If you dislike this measure propose some other."
t is all war well to taunt us in this way, fur though it
I
be idle mockery, it bearsihe semblance of candour.—
The feet is Sir, that this measure has been resolved
upon by power. Those who so despotically wield the
powers of the State have resolved to force this pat titular'
measure upon the country, and, aetbe philosopher said
to Adrian, " Most we not yield to the man who
con.mands twenty legions?" Let what will, there-
fore, be our objections to this measure, or our pur-
poses as to any other, they must give way to Cesar
and his regimented strength. But, if lam still pressed
for a proper measure, I would say, that, as the Eng.
lisp Constitution is the growth of popular feeling and
tonviction, an appeal should be made to the people
los their sentiments upon this threatened violation of
It. Let the question go before the tribunal of public
opinion—let the measure be sent to the hustings of
bury town and county of England—let the genu:ne
voice ot the people be heard—let their real sentiments
be made known upon a fresh return of Representatives.
end this House would soon discover that the measure
is odious to the nation; and this great truth, strongly
stiested. would have a surprising effect in making the
leabinet ex•cogitate something better. But, Sir, we live
in days of political experiment, and we daily witness
established principles and acknowledged facts giving
way to some gratis dictum about public expediency;
1 and a restless spirit of innovation, a spirit of gambling
in codes and constitutions, seems to obtain. and is one
1. of the strongly-mar ked signs of portentous events hairs
iis ing fast on to tire fulness of iheir completion. 144
myself, Sir, I consider the whole of these measures to
be an outrage upon common sense—an insult upon the
understanding of the people. I consider this doctrine
-of an alleged expediency to be a vile compromise of
principle, and a base surrender it Protestant rights
and Protestant intern's to their unchanged and un-
changeable foe; and it is reserved for future pages
of hi.t'iry to record these damning proofs of what
weak or worthless Statesmen may be made to do
by daring agitators and a Popish priesthood. But, Sir, I
will not trespass longer upon your attention. My vote
this night shall again mark the fixedness of my opinion
as to the profligacy of these unmeasured concessionsond
having done so, I must await the issue of these pusillani-
mous surrenders. But this I will say, that I think the in-
evitable tendency of past events must lead to convince
every sober thinking man, every man who feels the now
mote than ever urgent necessity of watching over the
invitations of the Protestant Church, that the hour is
come in which it is not only expedient. but highly neces-
sary, that we should, without delay, honestly and ef-
tectually enter upon the consideration of the question
of Parliamentary Rif rim. I say this not in haste or
petulance—l say this not in spite or anger—l say it not
so much with reference to the fact, as Isom apprehen-
sions I cannot but feel for the future. It is the expres-
sion of an opinion frequently entertained, but up to the
present time not sufficiently matured for public avowal.
It is a pledge of a disposition of mind which, in all
sincerity, I tender to Honourable Members advocates
for that measure, as a peace-offering fur the uncompro-
mising resistance which I oppo.e to this.
The amendments to the rill were then read, when
Sit R.VYVYAN rose to move air amendment to those
amsndments, and stated that, in looking over the crafts
he had perceived a very material omission. Ile knew
not whether anch omissions were accineetal or inters-
iional. When the House recollected what the princip:es
4f Rome had been for centuries (although certainly not
so intolerant of late), and that so recently as the year
1816 a system of bloodshed and persecution had beer'
carried on in the south of. Fiance, it ssculd surely be
th night necessary to have every possible protection
against such intolerance. He wished to know, awe-
tore, why the oath adopted in the Bill i f 1791, was
omitted from this 8.11 ? At the end ot that Bill, .f er
the vs. run " without mental reservation." occurred the
words .4 or without believing that I can be acqui ted
by Goo of any act by any dispensation of the Pupe."—
Now. if the Pope had the power of granting dispensa-
tions for any crime (u in the opinions of the Catholics
• he undoubtedly had), surely the feelings of the Proms-
tarts ought to be so far respected as to guard them
• against its consequences. It was thought necessary to
• introduce such a protection into the Bill of 1791, and
• surely ought to be introduced into this. There could
be at least no ha, m in its introduction ; it could not
ihtertese even wih the prejudices of the Papists, because
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they must be aware that we know of their desire to
'
,
estatslish•the power of their Church. Her would there-
flue move, that atter the wrids I I abjure any allegiance
I to any other pet stet than the King ot these realms," &c.
the following words be added, " and I also rej ct arid
abjure, as unchristian and unlawful, to murder or destroy
I any person ulster the pretence that he is heretic; and I
also iejectatid abjure the opinion that nu faith is t r be
- kept writs hers tic.,"—Tbe motion having been put,
; • Me. Secretary PEEL said it &estates! to him per tectly
s unnece-sary to introduce any such oath into tire Bill--
To call upon parties who were to be admitted to equal
D
rights in,the constitution to declare that they did noti
e
believe themselves jii.t.fied in committing murder would
be a strange proceeding indeed. Such a course would
reetelialis weaken the effects c,titempiateJ by the [Leas
sine. li he (Mr. Peel) could not believe that a oi..n
4
wipuld be.govetrsed•by one oath be could not believe
that-another would have any influence upon him.
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0 :saatiihona
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dt itbsytltrislye
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di-clataiiiii. had been approved of by the Pope, such an
get's"! unnec wiry. 11)1"loo.n113adaero"innedt walates4hreatcl:tliPo4:l-t
Mr. TRANI said the proposition of the Honourable
he Baronet was a very important one. Now he would
,
reP 'him the attention cf the Right Hon. Secretary-a few
oit sears back, and beg him to glance over some of the
IC'. traosapions.that had taken putee in this. country, and
ins in. other countries; and he would ask the Right Hon.
eientleman (Mr. W: Horton) if he had been at Rome
Sill hitch', and if so, why he bed not called upon his friend
the. Poswer.(4 laugb)—,to summon a general couseil to
ins
Is? 'Jo- away. with the. declaration of the Council of Con-
starce, that no faith was to he kept with heretics? He
eal
Dl4 (Mr, Tr), thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend
rye snprt reasonable; its adoption would show that we weee
his not. ashamed of our old-fashioned opinions—(Hen.
Dui kar.) The whole question turned upon the extent of
for PAR'S Power. It that power were a nunentity be *4414
deo Lc 141a)dal to keep nut of place or Parliament a Jew
mit incheitleels; bat if that power were not only incseesiesw
del in,lreland, but in England also, it was the dttly of: Par.
oat liasnent to cheek, it in every possible way. That the
otsi. Pepe' power was increasing in England was evideer,
ible ham the fact that in.one county (Laucashite) there were
At eighty-six Roman Catholic places of worship. The
Who sligttest seetuity, therefote, against its further increase
,hat was of the urn net importance. He. knew it was the
cnvu fashion, now-a-days, to tall such opinions as. those he
WOO tillettidueds• jthherado bit our aacessors knew that such

oaths as those now proposed by the Hon. Baronet were
necessary for the preservation of our rights and libei-
tiei. It way nor duty to maintain that Popery was
unchanyied and unchangeable. When the decrees of
the Popish Church were repealed by a general C.uncil,
then, and not till then, would lie alter his opinion of
that Church and its objects.
Mr. C. W. W. WYNN was anxious to ascertain It the Hon.
Member knew what a general council was, and would inform him
that, to centime a general council, the attendance of all the Roman
Catholic Bishops of Europe was necessary. It was not likely that
a genets, council would be ever again summoned.
General PEACHY quoted several passages from a 801 l issued
by one of the Popes. in support of the position that the Catholics
kept no faith with heretics. Allowing this authority of the Pope
to be good, and no Catholic wouldfroy it to be so, he would say,
Vox et priztetw nibil."
He entreated the House to consider that that which could be omit.
ted could be with facility introduced; and, if it afforded any pro•
teetion, it ought to be so.
Mr. G. MOORE stated a use in support of the argument of the
Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Vyvyan). A Magistrate of the county of
Cork was in the habit, whenever be suspected that persons about to
make affidavit before him did not mean to keep the oath they in-
tended ro take, of asking such persons whether they expected alien.
lotion if they broke such oath? When this question was put, such
persons often refused to take the oath.
Dr. LUSH IN GTON condemned the conduct of sny Magistrate
who so acted. It was a melancholy example of the way in which
justice was administered to the Roman Catholics.
OIL E.STCOURT defended the conduct of the Magistrate alluded
to. He would support the motion of bis Honourable Friend.—The
motion was put, and negatived without a division.
Colonel SI BTHORPE rose to give notice of an amendment
upon the eighth clause of the Bill. That after the words,. *Ake
eg school" be inserted, that" nothing in this Act shall be construed
Wettable any person or persons professlog the Roman Catholic re-
ligion to bold any power or controul in any matter relating to the
management or appropriation of any sum or sums bequeathed, or
that may be bequeathed, as grants for the endowment of colleges,
schools, or almshouses, upon a Protestant foundation." The Hon.
Member said that he recollected on a former occasion, when the
Bight Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Peel) entert lined different views from
what be did at present. be had declared his apprehension of the
grasping disposition of the Roman Catholic Church, and his desire
to curb it. He (Colonel Sibthorpe) still considered it desirable to
check its avidity for power, and, therefore, would propose this
amendment, as an additional security, although be did out think any.
securities would he of much value.
Mr. TRA NT spoke in favour of the amendment.
Mr. Secretary PEEL did not think the amendment was intro-
dosed in the right place. There was no specific mention of Ro-
man Catholics in the clause to which the Honourable Gentleman
wished to insert an express disqualification—(T%e Right Honour-
able Gentleman here read the amendment).—He understood the
stuuourable Gentleman's intention to be to bring it forward on a
a future occasion. The amendment appeared to him more excels.
sive than the Honourable Gentleman seemed to apprehend.
Lord MILTON referred to a bequest of the Earl of Shrews.
bury as a case against the amendment.
Mr. WILMOT HORTON hoped the Honourable Gentleman
would not endeavour to prevent Mr. Pere, a Catholic Gen-
tleman, from assisting in the repairs of the York Minster, as he
had cons. forward to do.
Sir CHARLES WETHERELL said, that the pro-
position warperfectly clear, that all the schools in Eng.
land founded after the Reformation must be dedicated
to a system of education connected with the Protestant
faith. Some of the established schools had been
iounded in the reign of Henry VIII. He believed that
three of four had been instituted prior to the Reforma-
tion. The greater part of those founded since that
period were not of ecclesiastical but of lay foundation;
and the Report of the Committee appointed to inquire
into these establishments would, it looked into, show
that such was the case—that they were of lay founda-
tion, and dedicated to the Protestant faith. Now, the
object of his Hiinourable Friend's proposition was, that
RomanCetholic Corporations should not have the power
of controulling, appointing, aid regulating schools un-
avoidably dedicated to the Protestant faith. As the
Bill at present stood, supposing a Roman Catholic wet e
mayor of it corporation, did he or did he not acquire an
ascendancy over institutions exclusively Protestant? He
would again ask, whether the Bill of jacobin equality
and of undistingiiishing amalgamation. would not.
under these 'circumstances, confer that ascendancy ? He
conscientiously believed that not one clause of this
jacobin Bill was understood by those who proposed it
pie iron urable and Learned Member was speaking
with great animation, and his right hand came by acci-
dent in collision with the hat of .%1 r.Bankes, who occupied
an adjacent teat. The circumstance was followed by a
general laugh.) The Hon. and Learned Gent. rerun ed
He had not levelled a blow at his Hon. Friend—he
levelled no blow at any one; but he would continue VI
aim his blots sat the Bill. The Bill and the framers ni
it had abstracted the thing from the person, the re from
tbe persona—and he did not believe they (the harness
of it) understood a single word of it. His Honourable
Wend proposed to interdict a Catholic from inter-
lining with establishmi nts.connected with the Protestant
faith, it he were a member of a Corporation having
contioul river such Establishments, and there wiis
scsocely a Corp. ration in England that bad not a school
or almshouses, or otner place,- devoted to education upon
Protestant principles. As the Bill now stood—as this
liberal jacobin Bill stood in its jacubin li'lerality, it not
only gave Roman Catholics the power of becoming
members of corporations, but of repealing in these cor-
porations the former principles of acti 3n—of appointing
Roman Catholic schoolmasters to Piotestant schools,
and of causing t! ese foundations, intended to be ex-
clusively devoted to the established faith, to be handed
over to the purposes i f the Roman Catholic church.
He agreed with his Hon. Friend, and be cared not
wheii.er the proposition were adopted or nor—(A laugh).
Ilonouraole Members might :augh; but there was un-
doubtedly no use in dividing the House, or of criticising
a Bill hurried through as this had been, or of scruti-
nizing its clauses, when no opportunity was given tor a
feu and full eaaminati,in of them. That Bill had been
hurried through the House in such a way as that the
framers of it understood not its clauses, nor those to
whom it was addressed the nature of their operation.—
He felt that there was no use in arguing against these
chat es; but thoush he did not appiehend that there
would be any utility in raising objections to the clauses,
still he would assert that as the Bill stood it constituted
an egregious and monstrous violation of sense end right
that, of the hundreds of schools founded since the Re-
formation, it should be in the power of any man, being
a Catholic corporator, to take. them away from the Pro-
testant Church, and to convert them to purposes di-
rectly at variance with those which formed the original
object of their institution.
Dr. LUSHINGTON, to quiet the apprehensions of his Ho-
nourable and Learned Friend (Sir C. Wetherell) begged to inform
him that the schools to which he bad referred were grammar
schools, and that it was necessary for the muter of any one of
these schools to have a license from the Bishop of the Diocese be.
fore eateries on his nice. Without that license he was subject
to an interdict.
Colonel SIBTHORPE said, that the application of masters foe
licenses had nothing io do with the management of the funds.
The SOLICITOR—GENERAL said, that what bad been laid
down by his Honourable and Learned Friend (Dr. Lusblegtoo), as
to the granting of Hamm by the Bishops, bad never been a yenta
of dobt.
Colonel SIOTHORPE felt that there was no use in dividing
against the phalanx opposed to him.
Sir E. KNATCH BULL thought that steps should be taken to
render the law as effective as possible.
Mr. G. MOORE had formerly called the attention of the Hoses
so a Kim' (the Blue-cost Hospital) over which the Corporation of
Dublin possessed contssossi. An inquiry had been, as be under-
stood, promised respecting it. He conceived that if the dream-
stances ofthese,schools were as. bad been set lords, semodslou
mew meat should be adopted; and U. they were not, this tbsee
was.ao use for the clauses
mr. DOHS/air add, this wigs mesa to the Inae.Cese

Htwpitsl, the New Mon. •lifefeetaty.far the UMW- •Departwirst
bad put its charter and all the documents connected with* into his
bands; and in addition to his own api %ion. he had the autism ity o
the most eminent men In tie country for stating that there was n•x
the least foundation for the alarm that had prevallad ; and if such
was the ease in Ireland the cause haropprelaitgoo an England must.
be still less.
Mr. G. MOORE bad merely suggested inquiry into the matter.
Colonel SIBTHORPE witbdretwhis amendment until the third.
feedlot of the Bill.

THE MUM%
Sir VYVYAN. said that when he had the honour
of preienting petitions from the county of which he,
was a representative, he had declared his belief that
there existed a great conspiracy throughout Eisiope, in,
one part of a religious, and in another of a political
character, and that its instruments were religious.
societies and standing armies. He then expressed him-
self of that opinion, and be now saw no reason for
renouncing it. With the permission of the House, he
would enter more at length upon that subject. fte,
would begin by calling attention to the existence in
France of the body known by the name of the "Con-
gregation;" or, in other words, the Je,uits. He did tint
intend giving any thing like a history of the order; he
would merely content h .msel I by referring to it in general,
term.. Although its founder, Ignatius Loyola, appearedi
alter Luther, at a time when the Reformation had
spread in Germany, and when the Papal power was ap.
patently drawing to a close, lie could not far years ob-
tain a Bull to sanction its institution, and it was at
last obtained only by a declaration of unprecedei.ted
and implicit devotion to the Papal See. Boole Loyola's
death t elve societies of Jesuits were e,t tblist.ed. and
he had the sati-faction of seeing Members of the 0 ater
become the Confessors ut Kings; and he (Sir It.Vs eyrie)
believed that had it rot been tor their dissolution by Pope
[Graganelli, and the occurrence of the French revolution,'
[ they would have succeeded in securing the Papacy
[ itself. As it apreatud to be the opinion of his Ma-
jelly's Ministers that the order in this country should
be gradually suppressed and abolished, he hopes.,
that he should not be considered as advancing much
beyond them in proposing a measure more severe.l
It might be supposed that after their d ssolution by
Ganganelli, who said he was advised to the measure by
every Christi an S sveteign, and after they had become
merchants and traders, and were dispersed throughout
Europe, it might be imagined that nothing more would
be heard of them; but there were two Sovereigns who
gave admission to the order, and one in particular, the
Emperor of Russia, a country at all times solicitous to
interfere in the affairs of the west. I=t Russia they found
a refuge, as they also did in Prussia, Frederick the
Great conceiving that these was no danger to be ap-
prehended from them. Thus they at length received An
asylum among heretics. The order of the Knights of
Malta—an order not yet dissolved—had once been
extremely powerful. Its Grand Master was at a cer-
tain period one of the greatest Sovereigns of Europe.
The island was now in our hands, but the Jesuits might
be regarded with the same apprehension as the or Jer ul
Malta. It was not until the late Emperor of Russia
found that the Jesuits were tampering with his subjects
that he ordered them to quit his kingdom. The charge
against them was thus expressed " They have t trued
aside from our worship piing people who had been in-
trusted to them, and some women of weak and incon-
siderate minds, and have drawn them to tt eir Church."
His Majesty's ideas of this conduct are thus expressed:
"To induce a man to stljure his faith, the faith * of his
ancestors—to extinguish in him the love of those whir
profess the same worship—to render him a stranger to
his country—to sow discord and animos ty in families
—to detach the brother from the brother, the sou
from the father, and the daughter limn the mother—
to excite divisions am -ng the chil 'ten of the same
church—;s that the will of Goo, and of his Divine Suss
JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR' the result ot his delibe-
rations are contained in tl of allowing Toot
the Catholic church in Russia be again eoablis' ed as it
was in the reign of the Empress Cath siiase the Second,
a:id till the sear 1800; that all Nlot,ks f the order of
Jesuits be immediately banished from Petersburgh ;
that they be forbid to enter the two capitals" In
1801 the Emperor Paul had called for the re-estab-
lishment of the tir2er. His request was. complied with
and it was afterwards allowed to exit in his domi-
nions; and in 1814 it was again peimitt..d to remain
there uncle, certain restrictions. Documents from the
Papal Court respecting its re-establishment in Itsl4
(referring us to Russia to the brief, dated 7th Match,
1814) procieJ thus—" We granted to the said Francis
Karen. and his colleagues residing in Russia, of who
should repair thither from other countries, power to
form themselves into a body or congregation of the
company of Jesus; they are at libeitr to unite in or.e I
or more houses to be pointed out by their siiperior.l
provided those houses were situated within the Russian
empire. We named the said Francis Kara, general of
the said congregation—we authorised them t i resume
and follow the rule of St. Ignatius of Loyola, a; proved
and. confirmed by the Constitutions of Paul the Thitd,
our predecessor of happy memory, in order that the
companions in a religious union might freely engage
in the instruction of youth in relign n and good
letters, direct semi,' cries and c Beget, and, unit the
consent of the Ordinary, conies., preach the word of
GOD, and administer the sacraments. A short time
after we had ordained the les oration of the order of
Jesuits in Russia, we thought it our duty to grant the
same favour to the kingdom of Sicily, on the warm
request of our dear son in Jesus Comm King Ferdi-
nand, who begged that the Company of Jesus might be
re-established in his dominions and states as it was in
Russia, from a conviction that in these deplorable times,
the Jesuits were instructors most capable of forming
youth to Christian piety and the fear of Ga-n, which is the
beginning of wisdom, and to instruct them in science and
letters. The duty of our pastoral charge leading us to se•
cnnd the pious wishes of these illustrious Monarchs, and
having only in view the glory of GOD and the salvation
of souls, we, by our brief beginning • Per Alias,' and
dated 80th July.lBl4, extended to the kingdom of the
Two Sicilian the same concessions which we had made
for the Russian empire. The Catholic world demands
with unanimous voice the re-establishment of the Com-
pany of Juus." Now, it was not generally known iii
Europe that in 1801 the Jesuits existed, and as a
body recognised by the Pope; for thirty years had not
elapsed irons their suppression by the Bull. of Pope
Ganganelli until the secret Bull was issued for their re•
establishment in Russia. At the Congress of Vienna,
when the Allied Sovereigns were assembled in full coun-
cil, and when the Pope of that time was completely at
their disposal, and when an individual, not Royal ar•
tainly, but with power equal to Royalty, having such
extensive influence over the minds of the S 'vertigo',
took a leading part in their deliberations, thi order
was revived and encouraged, and, in his opinicm,l
with the view of repressing the progress of freedom
and liberality. There had been, and would be, a
contrast between the great principles of liberalism
and despotism. He was sure that the Gentlemen oa
the other side of the House would be the last to sup-
port despotism is matters of State when religion was
,not concerned ; but he begged to contider that the Ca-

religion was s sOnPorttx of, despotism), and (hag
t had heen supported oti.that account by all the-Sow.
/egos its Europe ever since the Cringe-ass of tinna.
He heattily wished he could think e.o .sane of emiggeta
Hip:loos to the liberty of the •tibject, hut e n a ,e.
view of pa•l histitiy he c• uld not help thinking that
:he Roman Catholic teligion was—(Hear).-wlt was
seligion that aimed at universality, and II ere could
not be a unireisat religion Without a
civil empire. The 1101;es bad :accie:ed better than
any conqueror could by force of alms have done
in their endeavours to establish a universal
The system of the Roman Catholic religion, hy the per-
severance of its teachers, had so e ttwined it•elf into the
hearts < f men, that Sovereigns themselves, who in ft r-
are times might have been their own High Prieis, had
been almost made the slaves of the Pop s. The general
liberties of the world were, upon the whole. in a much
better situation fifty years aes thsn they now were. He
trusted, however, that the Protest.* is would alell e
themselves, as they had lately d ne its Fra• ee, in prevent
the further encroachments of the Rom sh Priesthood en
liberty. Let them do sit, and the Catholics must fall in the
struggle, unless assisted by the great power of the ender
of the Jesuits. TherelOie it was that the heads at the Ca-
tholic Chute!), when tranquillity was in some degree
restored to Europe, saw thenrcessity of tt.e se-establish -
mem of that body, and of the expediency fur the ad-
vancement of their views of the education of youth being
confided to th. m. They felt that one generation. the pie.
seat, had escaped theist, but they hoped to secure the rest
by making thernsei we, °savers • f vie fountain of know.
Icsige. They saw that their object would he attained
if they could fill the minds of the youth of the country
with their base notions re-pecting despotic autho ity.
Louis XIV. insisted, by the four at titles of the G Miran
Church. upon excluding ;he Pope from having terrain
tempo' al Imhof ivy in Fiance. But Are whet toot( place
11 in a few years. lit 1682 Louis XIV. as greet a man as
ever swayed the sceptre of France, the author ni the
Edict of Nan's, by which he bai,i bed from l.is kit:gdom
40000 of his most u eful Pontestant subjects, sent to
Rome to beg forgiveness of the P pe for having ohli zed
him to consent to the four snuck: of the Gailis an
Church. What was the occasion of this chotge in the
conduct of Louis XIV.? Ile had taken a Je,uit for
his Confessor. In the time of the Regeocy, and the
reign of Louis XV. that followed, t' e Jesuits were
equally strong in maintaining the same principles. It
was not, however, till the revolution that the Pot.e tin&
ceeded in establishing a great acknoaledged authority
in temporal Jails in France. When the Concordat
Was published, with the Contulet, by there articles he
reserved to himself powers wi h to pect to the
Bishops and Cltrgy which had been expressly de-
nied to his predecessor by L ti.is the Fourteenth.
On these condi•ions it was that the Clergy wens
allowed to say, Dwaine Deus salvos fac t Obsoles ins-ead
fit Domine Deus :doom fac Re em. Let them tote'
their eyes to the conduct of Russia, and they would
find that it had been obliged to be it severe against
the Jesuits. In a few years after they had first intro-
duced themselves into that country, they had obtained
great influence in the management of the internal affairs
of Russia, and attempted to convert the inhabitants
from the Greek to the Latin Chutch.—(Hear, hear.)
So med.tliog were they found, that it was deemed ab-
solu'ely necessary to send them out et ti e country once
and for all. ( Flue Honouratle Member hem 'cad an
e at' act horns me bet k coirishorat•ve ot his .tatement.)
Gentlemen had no d st.bt heard of a book called, The
Secret lustkutions of the Jesuits, and which was I.to.
Juced by diems Ives at a lancets which was tiled a little
betore the 'evolution. N.) better system could be d• vised
than was entrained in that book to incte.se the Pistol
power throughout the world. Under all these cet come
stone: s he thought it expe..lient that the Jesuits should
not have access to any part of his Majesty's dommitms.
He should propose, therefore, that, instead of the
• ords Uni.e Kingdom" at present in the Bill, the
cords "his Maje,ty s dominions" should be inserted...—
It would be absurd to exclude the Jesuits front England,
and allow them to establish themselves its our Colonies,
vshe.e we wi uld shortly allow Roman Catholic U vet-
no's. The Honourable Member concluded by moving
soothe, amendment, but, as it was not afterwards read
from the Chair, we conclude that it was withdrawn, and
the lion. Member cot fined himself to proposing that
the words " his Majesty's dominions" should Le sub-
stituted for " the United Kingdom."
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS said. it was in his power to sire
there were but three persons of the order of Jesuits in !island and
be thought there could be no cause for the alarm the lion. Baronet
appeared to feet. The Rev. Mr. Kenny, the head of a Jesuit
seminary of education in Ireland. was examined three el .ea hrtbre
the Board of Education, and an man ever gave more eat did evi-
dence. Ile stated that the whole of their principles and discipline
ware published in the hook (.1' rules which he produced. Th- present
Bill provided against the inerewse of their numbers, and wide th.t
seeurby he thought the House should be content—(llear)
Mr. 1.. FOSTER said, he fully concurred in the testimony borne
to the candour of XII.. Kenny in his examination before the Board
of Education. Bu. his Hon Friend was mistaken in the number
of Jesuits in Ireland ; a few years before that elimination the
number was thirty, and he had no doubt they had since increased,
and would continue to increase if not guarded against. 'llw dis-
tinction of the Jesuits from all other coders of the • hutch of Rome,
was their devoting themselves to missionary labours ; and be thought
measures should he taken to prevent their increase in this country.
Mr. PEEL said the policy of the clause respecting monastic insti-
tutions was, to deal justly and kindly towards those in the coun-
try, but to prevent others coming into it. It was neat to consid. e
whether these who were now here were not under the pemection
of the law. There was nothing in Ireland nor in England to pre.
vent the residence of Jesuits lit either country ; and the Ac' of
1791, in England, gave earns relief to all members of monastic
institutions. But though this gave protection to individuals, it
left monastic endowments still illegal. Although policy may
require to interdict any addition to the number of the mem-
bers of monastic institutions of this country, it soukl be a
hardship to send those out of the country who bad remained
in it wader the faith of an Act of Parliantent—(lleiej.
Wish respect to the Colonies, there would be great d.feeeity In ex-
tending tee present Act to them. The Canada,' and the Mautitius
were Catholics. and it might not be expedient that we should in.
terfere with them in the manner proposed. now Colonies that
bad Legislatures of their own were competent to legislate on the
subject ; and in those under the sole authority of the Crown, the
Crown might make any order that should he thought necessary ;
and he would promise that all the members of monastic 'noon-
times in the Colonies should be registered, and that the Registry
should be laid on the table of the House atinually—(Hear).
Sir RICIIIIIIO VTVTB3II withdrew his amendment.
Mr. PEEL said, be thought it might be expedient to give a
power to the Secretary of State, bring a Protestant, to give a
license to enable any member of a monastic order to conic Into this
country for a time not exceeding ale months; all such licenses to
be renamed to Parliament every year. He bad, therefor, pro-
posed a clause to that effect. The Right Hon. Gentleman moved
the clause.
Mr. HUME thought it a great reflection on the House to be so
muck alarmed at the Jesuits. He did not think there was any
class of men in Europe to whom the world was so much indebted
as the order of Jesuits, for what they had done in menden educe-
don. He thought it was quite unworthy of the House to feel so
much fear : he hoped at least they would consent to an addition to
the proposed clause, to allow the Secretary of SAW tit' renew at
• discretion—(No, no). '
The clause, as moved by Mr. Pan, was agreed to.
Sir It. VYVY AN said, whenever the Jenks had power. Pow
testants were persecuted and liberty oppressed. lie was most %ta-
wnier that sad men should have the education of any ponies cf
the youth of his Majesty's subjects. He would therefore move an
xatendisent to prevent any Jesuit being a schoolmaster. The Hon.
Gentleman moved a classes to that effect. • ' • • .
. *Mr: PEEL said the ChM, would deprive the. Jesuits already