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crease. The working chines ewould not then go more
to publk•houses than they did at present. They were
driven to the use of spirits because they could not pro-
cure good beer at a fair price. This would not be the
case if a monopoly was not sanctioned by the present
system of law. This limitation of the ttade prevented
the manufacture of malt from being er ended. Not-
withstanding the great increase of population, the malt
trade was not greater now than it was many years back.
Mr. BANKES said, there was one clause affecting
corporate rights, to which he must object. He had
strong representations on the subject from Weymouth.
He should not be disposed to countenance any plan by
which the respectability and autibority of Corporate
Magistrates should be diminished.
Lord SANDON opposed the clause, granting a cons
current jurisdiction to County Magistrates. He thought
it unnecessary and unjust.
Mr. H UME said, the clause objected to by the Noble
Lord appeared to him the best in the Bill. He objecied,
WILLITLIT 11. THE DUNI OT areurrner. however, to the measure altogether. The trade in leer
should be as free as any other. It was not right that '
resumed his argument in favour of the Appellant
, 311%ri.r.NtB' erleusGleslyrl
MMUS Ill Oat THE COMM be IS. an artificial value should given to property bt local
brought
erugwhtue ieptteeraSitiayinrensdßarifidrgset
licensing system. Magistrates or any others. This was done by the present
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time.
Mr. PAYNE presented an account from the Margate Pier and Mr. WOOD supported the Bith l. Th
trade it
State o
beerf thiwanes
Harbour Company. in Ireland and Scotland. where e n .
The Earl of MA Llil ESBURY presented a Petition from a nu-
and respectable body of the Owners and Occupiers of Land free, proved that some restriction was desirable in
rantin licenses. The Clauses did not appear to him
and Growers of Wool in the county of Hams, complaining of the g g
The Petition was, on the motion of the Noble Earl, ordered to be Mr,
low price of that article, in consequence of excessive importation. liable to the objections made to them.
referred to the Committee above stairs. 'CALCRAFT objected to the clauses giving
concurrent a
jutisdiction to County Magistrates. Take
The Private Bills before the House. on -the motion of the Earl 'away the local jurisdictions if they were objectionable,
of SHATTISBUIT, were forwarded in their respective stages.
but de not degrade them. Were charters nothing j
Lord KING held in his band a Petition from William Cobbett,l
of Kensington, Gentleman, against the Surrey and Sussex Turn- He was surprised the Member for the University of
pike Bill. The Noble Lord having been informed that the Bill Oxford should treat charters so lightly. If the
dame
was not before the House, withdrew the Petition for the present. was not withdrawn, he should oppose the Bill alto_
The Night Poaching Bill, on the motion of Lord Weeseciares,
was reties third time and posed.—Adjourned. Sir
Sir J. SEBRIGHT thought this clause was the very
HOUSE OF COMMONS. best in the whole Bill, and would give more satisfaction
On the motion of Mr. Vim', a Return was ordered of all Ma-
to
~th.e public at large than any other part of it.
PEEL said, he considered the House
nufactured Silk Goods imported, from the sth of January, 1323,
to the .sth of the present month, for home consumption. Mr. Secretary
Mr. CURTEIS presented a Petition from certain Growers of and the country indebted to his Hon. Friend (Mr. Est-
Wool in the County of Sussex, praying,for a duty on foreign Wool. court), who took so much trouble with a measure of this
On the motion of the same lion. Gentleman, a Return was or-
kind, which, from its nature, could not have any great
'dared of all Live Sheep exported from England to the Continent
, attractions for such a person as his Hon. Friend, whose
of Europe during the three last years.
Mr. T. WOOD presented a Petition from Rotheram against Pursuits in life might seem inconsistent with details of
the late Malt Duty.—Ordered to lie on the table. this kind. The only object his Honourable Friend could
Mr. BASTO presented a Petition from Elise Bridge on the have had in view was to promote the public g00d.....
subject of One Pound Nutes,*. (Hear). Knowing the pains taken by his Hon. Friend
sir. H EA THCOTE presented Petitions from the Wool growers
of the county of Carnarvon, and of a certain township in the same in a case where success could not be expect:: i to minter
County, praying for a Tax on Foreign Wool.—Ordered to lie on a very brilliant name, he thought him entitled to public
the table. thanks; It had been asked, why not pot beer on the
Mr. SYKES presented a Petition from the Surgeons of Hull,
same footing Without
ledge•—lteterred to the Committee. nto general principles on the subject of trade, the reason
Mr. SPRING RICE rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill *here was obvious enough s—the consumption of beer
to amend the law relating to the system of Banking in Ireland.— produced vary different effects to the consumption of
The House was aware that, in England, the Branches of the Bank
bread and cheese ; it produced intoxication, which nate-
of England, established in different parts of the country, were by
law obliged to pay their notes in specie, at the place of issue. This, rally led to other results, affecting not only di: indivi-
it was clear, must operate as a salutary check against an over issue. dual but society at large. If they were to throw open
Now there was no such restriction in Ireland; and the object of the trade, they would, he had no doubt, very soon find
his Bill was to provide, that the Branches of the Bank of Ireland,
it necessary to retrace their steps. In the cider counties
and other Banks, should be obliged to pay their notes in specie, at
the place of issue. A more immediate and beneficial check would great evil was found to arise from withdraning the
due be established, and he trusted the motion would not be op- restrictions on the sale of cider, and the complaints were
posed. It involved none of those principles of banking upon which so numerous that it might become necessary to institute
differences of opinion exiated.—Leavewas given tobring in the Bill. act inquiry
gutty with a view to some remedy. In theie
The Pensions Act Amendment Bill went through a Committee. "
The Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. counties instances occurred of children getting intoxi-
ALE HOUSES. cated in consequence of the facility and cheapness with
Mr. ESTCODRT moved the Order of the Day for the second which cider might be had. While he admitted the
reading of the Ale House Licensing Bill. general principle that it was desirable every branch of
Mr. HEATHCOTE said, he regretted much . that
trade should be equally free, still as the trade in this
such a rage for legislation prevailed. If it went much
artiste had some connection with the Police of the
further they would not, in a short period of time, know
country; it was thought expedient to ccnfide to Ma
the country. it would be so much altered.—(A laugh).
crates the power of licensing. At the same time no
This subject seemed rather a strange one to be taken
person would say that this power should be enjoyed or
up by the Member for the University of Oxford. The
exercised as a beneficial privilege—(Hear). Honourable
clause to which he objec•ed was, that which gave a con-.
Gentlemen talked of charters, and the -Member for
current jurisdiction to County Magistrates in cities,
Wareham asked, whether charters were nothing. Im-
towns, and boroughs, where there were not six Magis- portant rights were no doubt secured by these enact's,
crates to form a Bench. He trusted the Honourable
which established local jurisdictions, but then they did
Member would feel disposed to modify the Bill in this
not confer the privilege of licensing. That was derived
respect. There was another clause which he thought
from Act of Parliament, and the Legislature might
objectionable, as it appeared to him that it went to ex-
regulate it as they thought expedient. It appeared to
elude every Gentleman who might be the owner of a
him that if the power of licensing was to be exercised
public house from sitting as a Magistrate. This he
by two local Magistrates, they did not take sufficient
feared would have the effect of removing from the Co- security against abuse.
mission of the Peace the great majority of the Landed
Sir J. GRAHAM supported the Bill. He should be
Gentlemen of the country. The clause to which he
able to show, in the Committee, that the clause giving
alluded was that which went to preclude a Magistrate
a concurrent jurisdiction to County Magistrates was att•
from voting relative to a public house being his own
solutely necessary to prevent abuse. The power net.
roperty cised by local jurisdictions was, as he could prove in
Mr. BERNAL objected to the clause giving a con- many .
instances, greatly abused.
current jurisdiction to County Magistrates. Why require
Mr. CURTEIS thought it would be desirable to in-
that there should be six Magistrates present for granting
sett a clause in the Bill which would give the authority
licenses, when two were hitherto sufficient? The Bill
to Magistrates of convicting upon the information of
required that when there were not in a city, town, or persons not connected with the Excise.
borough, so many as six Magistrates, those of the
Mr.ESTCOURT said that Magistrates already pos-
county should have a concurrent jurisdiction. If his
sassed that power. With respect to this Bill, it wasnow
Hon. Friend (Mr. Estcourt) consented to modify this
in the same state in which it came from the Committee.
and the other clause alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman
near him (Mr. Ileathcote), he shoolir be disposed to He should not at present discuss the clause which gave
a concurrent jurisdiction, but would be prepared to de•
give the Bill a favourable censideraiion. It would be
fend it in the Committee. He contended, from the
very hard if places which ertpsyed by charter a local example of Scotland and Ireland, that a• free trade in
jurisdiction should be thus deptived of their lights.— beer would he injurious.
There was no reason why a stigila of this kind should
be thrown on Magistrates who were known to discharge Mr. DUNDA 8 expressed himself hostile to the clause
for giving a concurrent jurisdiction to County Ma-
their duties as well and as impartially as any others in
gistrates.
the country. Lord BELGRAVE said he should Op7ose the till
Sir R. HERON hoped the Honourable Gentleman if the
ed.
clause sine
would granting a concurrent jurisdiction
would not consent to any alteration of the Bill. Pub-
retain
lic•houses were a great source of evil to the working Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW thought the clause giving
classes. The greatest abuses in the present system arose
from local jurisdictions, and therefore he approved of
the clause giving a concurrent jurisdiction to County minds
Magistrates. It would operate as a check, and tend
reatly to remove the present abuses.
• Mr. JONES objected to the clause giving a concur-
rent jurisdistion to County Magistrates. Many places
would thus be deprived of privileges which they long
g°
a concurrent jurisdiction to County Magistrates was
unteecessary. and must operate as an insult upon the
of many highly respectable and honourabie men
S\ ho discharged the duties of local Magistrates. Thei
were mote interested than any others could be in Pre'
serving good order within their jurisdiction, and e was
not therefcee likely that they teeiuld grant liven es io
persons unworthy of them. He might instance in proof
enjoyed. It would be unfair to take 'from them by a of this
side wind lights which they exercised by charter. It
Mr. SUGDEN opposed the Bill.
these jurisdictions were objectionable, let some measure
be proposed either to improve or do them away al- Mr. BARING said, that when the particuhor clauses
came to be further considered, he would enter more
,together.
Mr. SLANEY thought the trade in beer, the second fully upon the subject. At present he thought. its ten"
Mr.
of life, might to be more free. He did not
'Rion of Corporate Magistrate'.
dency would be of an injurious nature to tee Jerielic-
mean to deny that Magistrates ought to have jurisdic- .
lion in granting licenses; but then the facility ot obtain-
e
ing the should be much greater. There were 49,500 Mr. SYKES expressed a hope that, at a future stage
twrfaa ttste.ae s s
of Bill
au ,cchto hue county
clausetsy a y
in
n would
gthat th be withdrawn—because e
decision
Ot
two
Magi''
is.i t
m
publicans in England and Wales; of these, 23,000
drew their own beer—the rest dealt with brewers. In a borough.
was
then w
London there were 4,530 publicans, of whom only 39 The Bill read a second time, and ordered to be coat-
sold their own beer. With rtietion to the trade in this ould be equal to six Magistrates of
mined on Friday, the tah June next.
article, the country might be divided into six districts.
The first three contained a population of 5,000,000, the A Message from the Lords aim:timed their Lonlships !ere!:
whole of which was supplied by 920 brewers. In the ment to the Birmingham Improvement, Surrey Coal Aleuts' BIN
and other Private Bills, without any amendment.
other three districts six out of every seven publicans Mr. SPRING RICE moved the Order .4 the Day for the
brewed at home, and supplied their customers with athrough a o.romittee. The
House going into a Committee of the whole Home on the Ifigues
of Executors Bill. The lull went
cheaper and a better article. All he desired was, that
.6 ioltitproarttwn on theasero 6th jn
brought up,uae next.
aoxitred to be taken into further c
an opportunity should be given for fair competition. id
beer, and hop duties, together with those paid by
The revenue arising from tbis trade, including malt,
b CURTEISo
ul J, f for ai l
MOn.;%nir:the motion that the Coro Importation Bill be committed,
taken to be a part onfpl::th:pitscd'
of 7,500,0001. The ttade should be rendered more free
brewers, maltsters, and publicans, amounted to the turn
was, that public houses :err?c.a.suciioiatfuryset.hetolcieothrinentierdaeude:te:debe:bcd:st,,h.releiliaut,sele::oll4:l
than at present. The objection order to prevent those shameful frauds which it was ot
upon
R A thisNtK Ls uibkjse clti L KVITI S contended, that this Bawl:103
would be increated. He could ace no evil iu this in-. some( all that was really men fur by the lion. MMUS'. A 1

ratifications shall be exchanged in nine months from
the date berenf, or ,noner, ii possible.
In witness whereof, we, the respective Plenipotentiaries, have
signed the same, and have of thereto the seals of our arms.
Dune at Loudon, the '_9th day of Si' ytember, in the year of
Our LOKI) 1827.
(LS.) MA. GRANT.
(L.S.) iiK.NRY UNWIN ADDINGTON.
(L. S.) A ',BEAT GALLATIN.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT•

HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 21.
ROSCOMMON ranamts.
The Petition of Thomas Wentworth Ddion's counter claim in
this Peerage cause was to be considered ; but no person appearing
for the Petitioner, the Chairman reported progress.
taunt TURAGI.
Four witnesses in this cause were examined respecting a monu-
ment of the Leigh family. said to lave existed in Stoneleigh
Church. At a quarter to one o'clock the further proceeding was
adjourned.