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doubtless impnrtnio, hutthey were duties which a'Sec-
tion and delicacy would render elip lllestrices Duke
anxious to perform. They were duties, too, connected
with no circumstances that called for addi limed ex-
iaise. The bringing forward this proposition, he
111hest sotte, was nothing e! -e than making application.'
to—Pariremer.t for nihnev on false pretences. The
. Arsterieationeif it bad nix.de the whole country, from
one en 4 to the other, ring with cortplaints at the in-
jwtice Of a Folioed. which w :like hostile to the
-011itaneete, 400" insulting to the mideratindino of the
• 14°-I'l4 .* heing;no, ferward this Invasive Ministers
lei neither consaleerd es hot was due to the character
ate nlusteious Dar. one ui :hat resist: for his
family which it vote their duty to inculcate.. Of the
nature of the effect produced by this.proposition
through the country, the Noble Lord was perhaps
not aware; but he could aS!.II re him, that it was of a
most serious netare. The Noble Lord had referred
to the grant for the Queen, as an example for what
he now prco-osed; but lec shouol rather refer to it as
a warning to their Lordships not to suffer themselves
to he drawn into similar measures ; for when such
gout; were once conceded, they were sure to ho held
up as precedents for future demands, no less unjusti-
fiable and extravagant. The .Noble Lola had in-
ferred, that if the grant was proper to the Queen, it
must be proper to the Duke. For his part he denied its
propriety to either of them. He regarded it as most
unjustifiable in both cases. ale! or any other of their
Lordships had not ful:ilied their duty in opposing
the grant on a former oceasion, they were the more
bound to resist it now. The• argument founded on
precedent enuldi then }ere, hove; nu. weight.. This
.objection, tbeirLorelehips would .observe, did not ap-
ply to the principle of 14 Bill, -which, as far as it
went with respect to reductions,he. %Fished to support.
• The Earl of Ii A,RROWBY was 'eerisible that the
subject to which the Noble Earl. had alluded in the
latter part of his speech, was one which would best
be discussed in the Committee. lz would then be
for their Lordehips to consider, whether the proposi-
tion was hostile to the interests and insulting to the
understanding of the public, as the Noble Earl called
it, or one called for by a sense of justice and of what
was due to the dignity of the Crown. lle should
not anticipate what would be the result of that dis-
cussion ; nor would he have said a word on the pre-
sent question, had he not been anxious that the
grounds on which the Bill was supported should not
be misunderstood; that their Lordships should not
be eupposed to concur in the principle on which the
l:oble Lord had consented to give it his support.
ekccording to the principle laid down by the Noble
Lord, it would be necessary for Parliament to insti-
tute an investigation, in order to see how low the Es-
tablishment at Windsor could be reduced, if all re-
gard to decorum and dignity were set aside. The
Noble Lord was willing to allow whatever might be
necessary for the comfort of the Royal sufferer, but
nothing more. He trusted their Lordships would
never pass the Bill under the idea that it was limited
to such an cbject. The principle laid down by the
7cble Lord amounted merely to this—that if their
Lordships provided food, lodging, and medical assis-
tance for his Majesty, under his present calamity,
they sufficiently discharged their duty ? Thus that
ruhe of provision which would be too narow for the
guidance of a dutiful son or an affectionate relative
was to be thought perfectly anal suited to their Lord-
chipe fooli,Eta in arrooeng An R.stabLlGluncnt for ti,.
Sovereign of this great country—for him who,
though by Paootatwee deprived of his reason, wis.
still the I.•gal Monarch to whom their Lorciships'.
allegiance was due. They were not then to be
called upon to calculate whether the Establiihm:nt
171:ght be £2,000 or th 3,000 more or less. llr seated
no more than fact when he thus spoke; for if once
their Lordships were to consider that Parliament was
bound only to provide for the necessary wants, and
to attend to the personal comforts, of the King, know.
ing, as they did, that nothing more was necessary
to be done tot the. King in this respect than for any
private individual, they would lower the respect of
the people for the Throne, and place the Sovereign
on.a level with the meanest of his subjects.—(//tar,
hear,fi-onz the Minister:al benches). He busted that
few of their Lordships entertained these ideas, and if
any of them did, he hoped they would r. 1.4! and op-
pose the second reading of this Bill, as it ought not
to be supported on such grounds. The Bill, though
it was drawn up with all due regard to economy,
proceeded on a principle entirely different—on the
principle that, whatever reductions took place, the
establishMorit to be provided for the King was not
to be regulatel on a scale of splendor calculated only
for a private individual ; that his Majesty was still to
be viewed as -a part of the Constitution; and that, in
znakiog'provision for him in his present situation, he
was to he treated with that reverence which was due
to qui head Of. the Government—(//ear hear, lions
Me Ministirlisi benches). Their Lordships should
enter into, ale consideration of this measure, impress-
lid with the idea, that they were providing, not for
'the care;and' custo !y of an individual, but for the
state and dignity of the Scivereign, so far as that state
and dignity could be consulted consietently with his
Majesty's unhappy situation, and the burdened con-
dition of the country; animated with sentiments of
regret, that the anticipation of his recovery, which at
tiro: made a more splendid Esxablishment necessary,
WAS now no longer entertained ; lamenting that the
nation could not continue, when that hope had ex-
pired, what it supported when that hope existed;
acrd regretting that cousideretions of economy, and a
rjgard for the distresses of the people, rendered the
Xeductione necessary which had been proposed. These
reductions were most ample, but they did not affect
the principle that the present Establishment was pro-
posed for majesty, and ought to be supported as ,ne-
cessary to maintain the dignity of the Crown, andl
the reverence due to the head of the Government of
the eriuntry—Weer):'
The Earl of CA fiLASLE remarked, that the Noble
Earl Apposite had Misunderstood the nature of his
Noble Friend's observations. His Noble Friend had
used one word which might have screened him f ern
the Noble Earl's remarks, which was the " dignity"
the. King. He 'begged leave to inquire, whether
the grant had been given to the Queen, as Custos of
the King's person 1:
Thei...ari of LI .iFERFOOL replied, it was given to
ken Majesty ex presslf tee cover extraordinary expenses.
Earl Grin' rose.te evplaile In the whole of his
tweet/watery life, he had never heard ally thing