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to the ensnare, bit be thought the steam ought is go farther
than the Noble lisrd had repraented. There was no person
receiving considerable 'emoluments who ought net to make a
rest acrifice--aod.be spoke with confidence on this point, be-
cause be was an interested person.—(Hes,, kers The reduc-
tion proposed appeared t. I him not to be tuthcient—but he de.
tired from roman s sacrifice be would not make himself. There
watt no man whose private means could len afford ex tredve ax.
crakes, but still he would make them with pleasine.—(Hear,
/)—it would be in rad.) for him to a.ay that any sacrifice '
could offer would greatly benefit the etmary ; hut, if ohat he
would cheerfully do was followed tip, in the same al): tit, by others.
it would at least tend to alleviate the public burdens. It would ,be-
sides, teach this great lesson to the people,that those who derived
anolomars under the Crown, were not that set of robbers and
plunderers which malignant men bad stated them to be. but would •
thew them, on the contrary, that when the public exigency re.
quiredit, they would chert fully vep forward to relieve their dis-
tresses. • The NcibirLord had said. that . the Income fax was a
fair criterion to go by—and that a reduction of 19 pee cent. was
eeMelent. He (Mr. Ponsonby) thought the value of money a
better criteria...-shad, he believed. ;e4O would do more now,
than mfioo four years ago. He should therefore propose, that
the salaries to be paid la future should be regulated by the rela-
tive vibe of money, four years since and now. He begged to
be understood, la saying this, that he was aware of many situa-
tions held by ramie under • Government, the emoluments of
which were a anal% that it would be cruel to take any thing
from deem. His idea was, to make such a rate of reduction on
the salaries of persons getting beyond a certain sum, es would
rove to all classes, that the House of Commons did not tax the
people for their own benefit. but were ready to sacrifice their
comforts for the general gnncl of society—(Xeer).
Mr. GOOCH declared his conviction of thsnecasity of Re-
trenchment, but he considered the statements made by the Noble
Lord (Castlereagh) to be perfectly satisfactory.
Mr. CALCRAFT said, that nothing could be more absurd
than for Plasesien to decide upon the propriety of continuing or
&hotbeds* their own places. Ihe Noble Lord (Laactlies) tn
speaking of agjecatkins from Members of the Committee, ought
to knowittat they would not have to complain of any obstruc-
tion thrown in the way of their Investigations, or any thing of
that art; quite the contrary.tvery facility relative to those mat-
ten would be afforded to them ; the only cause of complaint
which any of them amid have, is being overborne by majorities.
This grievance neither the Noble Lord nor the House could
remedy
While Strangers were shut out for the division,
Sir JOHN SEBRIGH I said, that be bad beenainted by the
present Ministers a Member of the Civil List Committee, but
they refused the peaces necessary to render it effective, soil It
was, in fat, a gross delusion upon the Public ; that he consi-
dered the present Committee to be also a gross imposition, and
that be would not put his foot into a Committee SO constituted,
as by so doing be should be lending his alto mislead and delude
the Public; that be was as hostile as any man to the factious
and inbignided part of the community, but that now wai the
time when it became the imperative duty of all independent
Members and Country Gentlemen to come forward and to sup-
port such measures as would conciliate and give satisfaction to
the rational and moderate pan of the community. He therefore
declined tabus Member.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the present Committee had
the powers which habeas refused to the Civil List Committee.
Sir 1. SEINUGHT.-1 am aware of that, but I owe it to my
country not to cootrihste to practice a pea acid ecandaloos dela-
lion upon the cossity.
Lord MORPETH said, that his heath would not allow of his
regular attendance; but that even it that objection did not exist,
be thought that the Constitution of the Committee was such as
not to merit the confidence of the Country.
The House divided—For Mindsets, sio-sAgainst than, 117.
Majority 99.
During the exclusion from the Gallery, the House divided
on the question that Mr. ThettAT me be a Member of the Cons
Imbue' instead of. Lord Bine isto-oyur Lord analog, 1711—Er
Mr. Tr.mayne lid—Majesty eft
Another division . took place or Mr. Tat MATHS being pro-
posed instead of Mr. Hossisson.i-For Mr. Huskisson, 180—
Per Mr. 'fremayne, 199-.-Majority 81.
Stringers were not site:studs admitted to the Gallery, but the
falating were finally speed to be the names of tbc Coalmine
Lord Castlereagh, Mr. N. Careen
The Chancidlor of the Exchequer, M. Davis Gaddy,
Mr. Pestionby, Sir Thomas Ackland,
Mr. Peel, • Mr.'Cart wriest,
Mr. 'Orem . Lard Clive,
Sir iiihat=s, Par-agach, . . •
Mr. F Lord Binning.
Mr. F. halals, Sir George Link,
Mr. H. Dania, Lord Stanley.
Mr. Heddistel, Mr. Littletoo.
Mr. Treolawfai, [Adjourned at two o'clock.
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