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London, England, 1810-02-27 00:00:00

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hat might be too :::eat a demand on the, public.- dition of three superintendents aao -,..%i clerks. -Asia rindituaeo ,feeseseeearviaeja 4rae. thogit Jima be a
nt heel teen made, by which it appeared . the Artily Pay Lists in the Orilee tithe Examii lex of - hit to:terit• Oki,-144 '6,4' , lelea4 crisja44ll-.... int, this
tsitha'tt•ir7rtie ..vel,• ngto_u hed seifli_cien, t wealth to do , the Army Accounts, there was a saving ta the pub.... rikitrsirviii-la 4:4 -EkVis V' ', `rite, erlii. bet ;,;estget
„ any leer th.it the title would descenders a state lie of the whole salary of one oflice -Mr. Motire, late. 'if thi ineniy, tile:se. host.; ity'vias principally, anted
i. eOverty in a future gelleration. The House was Deputy Secretary at war, had retired upon .a -salary it our finances. The bl;jects• and character ef our
et a time too when circumstances
l seemed_ , of £1800; Mr. Merry, the Purveyor of Coals ..0 the enemy, indeed, rendering. the restoration of peace 40 •
Ailed upOn,
to be r„arely aeainst the Pill.
Spain ey w _re called , Garrison of Gib• altar, was appointed to succeed, on pmblernatical,•it peeuliarly banvedni so to husband
, „tan the Junta of was driven .the condition of I • • • his giving up altogether that em- our resources as to heprepared for long period f
upon ;1 a tint. •. sa a os
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a...a., , ;me H; which time,. in fact, no important p. ymLut, which is since abolished. In the Quarter- war. He was 'aware that- it might be said, that this
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advent:tot Iva reaote .
' cl- from Lord Wellington's Master General's Or • • lice an increase of Aff77. In was not a dine at which it was proper to dwell upon
. ien lie ae..in protested, in the strongest the Army Medical Board, £Bl2. This Board was to the difficultiei of the country. But he differed from
Canil" b • 1 v,:•1 . : undergo a change ; a Committee had sat upon this those who might advance that assertion. For in
manner, against ii.ie. ow. .
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, he hoped to have subject, and the result of their deliberations was, to his opinion the wisest way Sias fully -to exhibit
head, that ministers had advised his r•lljestY to give recommend the establishment of another Board. con- the situation of the country, in order-that adequate
the re: -,•`;',p of the Exchequer to Lord Wellington, sisting of one Director General and three principal provisions might be. seasonably made to meet the
el; order that the pension might have been saved to . Inspectors, but to be excluded from all private prac- dangers which menaced it. The first objects to which
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s.o I;ut the Gentleman to whom that Teller- tire,which the present Members are not excluded he wished to direct the attention of the Committee
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r,•een, was supposed to have merited some. from. In consequence of this exclusion, their salary with a view to saving, were the Army and Navy.-
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,2 f 0,.. „aim. he • (Nile Yorke) had done ia the field must be raised. Of this .establishment the increase In both these departments, be conceived, that a con-
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ee: .•,la et hence.-(/Isar, Lear.) He coincided is would be £21,837. The rest of the items he would siderable retrenchment might be media. Almost
•,:..;en ssaii tee City of London, as expressed in their now recapitulate r Chelsea-Inereaie of outpensionere every head of expense appeared to him excessive.
;'_,••a•,:, which was couched in such strong and for- 535, expellee AN1,592 ; of the £200,000 givea in as We had a much larger naval force now, than when
:Jae t, inn that the Bill ought net pass into a law e unclaimed prize money, £ll,OOO had been claimed, the .enemy had a naval power to encounter, and our
.•:-.cci:llly as the family of that gallant officer, who awl of the remaining 5e192,000, £lOO,OOO was taken army was larger than any immediate probable neces-
„al wall at the battle of Corunna, had not had any to be applied to this fund.-Widows Pensions, an in- sity called for-larger considerably than at the time,
eent ~,;,,le to them. - crease of £3,64.1.-Volunteers, a decrease •of when invasion was very g merally expected. A teduc-
:.le HUTCHINSON thought that Lord Welling. ' £131,258.-From the discontinuance of the Corps of tion in the army was the more safe in his mind, as we
tse hid dearly earned the reward about to be bestowed Local Militia who had transTerred their services, there , had so numerous a body of local militia ; and he parti-
, I :an. That Noble Lord had, during a.military
was in cloathing an increase of R23,000.-Local Mi- elderly recommended a diminution of the cavalry,
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... leen at all times successful. He deserved well . litia, £576,153.-Foreign Corps, men 975, expellee the Staff, and the 'Waggon Train. . Arming many
£a4',770.-Royal Military College, £16,972. He other objectionable establishments, the Hon. Gentle-
ef H ceontry, not only for
far
.17,2. ix,..r6.ins of his wholehis
life. He had been en-
exertions in Spain, but
concluded his detail by stating, their the total increase -man referred to the Manx Corps and the Newfound-
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e -set in many lyttzlt:s, in not one of which had he amounted to £129,758, and that the total decrease land Fencibles, both of which he conceived to be quite
Ca eeseccesefel.- (Hear, /Late) amounted to £81,120, leaving a sum of £736,992, ; unnecessary. The great fault in our expenditure ap-
ee. H. MARTIN observed, that no notice bad for gross savings, and in all a sum total of £952,092,- peered to him to proceed from the want of a Suffici,
a er. rksr. 1:7 the Ministers of the oisservations that He stated, that we had 600,000 men in arms and ent power of superintendence Over tee several depart-
-• ' f.illi n river. an lion. Baronet ( Sir John Newport) that if we added the navy, we had actually and ac- ; moms. Blame he meant not to attribute to any indi-
a i seect to t' e manner of bestowing the Teller-
.611.4 digageti in the service of the country 800,000 • vidual, and least of all to his Right Honourtble
; :. .• eo I.selleoiler• That Tellership was given men. •He congratulated the HOLM and the country , Friend at the head of the Treasury. He was certain
! : :,e, v. eese merits to de,erve it the public had upon such abundant proofs of the unwearied resources] that if his Rirlit. Honourable Friend saw a fault, no
( eae, hear,)-while that public, were of the empire, which might be said to have floe- man would be more ready to correct it. Bat there
‘..,J ~,p,. a io seake fresh sacrifices by the Bill then rished in the direct proportion to the efforts that had ! was a radical fault in the general arrangement of ex-
' .;i.. ij 1) le;lti a second time. He could not but been made• to destroy them. He agreed with the : penditure, which often rendered it difficult,'if not urn-
, a_ to the 1;111 when he saw sinecure offices her Rity,ilt. Honourable Gentleman cn the floor, that this i. possible, to aiscever those evils which could only be
::.:...:,1 ia the manner they were. country never stood in a more proud or glorious situ- ; corrected by the establishment of the controuling
: .1. ',v. CURTIS was sorry to differ in opinion : tion than it now did. ! power he alluded to. He might be asked, esily
i•..i2. the City of Lerelon, as expressed in the Petition i General GASCOIGNE took this oppoetunity ofl he did not propose those retrenchments earlier;
I.l•.ice the table of the House that day. He most complaining of a variety of oppressions under which : but to that he could answer that be had frequently
ie •rtilo R ire his consent to the Bill, and lie thought the ofriceis of the army laboured, which indeed were pointed out the seme topics for the consideration
ie .r•. V.-ciliagton well &screed the Pension. increasing every year, and which were likely► still to of those with whom he had the honour to act
ee ese-ers were then ordereS to withdraw, when a do so. It would surprise the House to be Informed , *hie. in office. Indeed, he had never ceased to press
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~c,,,, place.. The numbers were, that Officers of the Army had, generally speaking, .(these points upon the attention of
.those who had the
ror t:ir second reading - - 106 less pay now than they had in the year 1695. He power toeffect the end he had in view, and bewas
ozeeer it
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1.:.1j.;:.ity for the second reading • - --.-.-711 meant this not on a comparison, but shilling for shil- naturally anxious that the reform be proposed should
(-mien TEE OF SUPPLY-A itNt Y ESTIMATES. . ling, sixpence for sixpence. A Lieutenant-Colonel I I criginate with the executive power. The statement
then had 17s. a-slay, now he had only 15s.;which he had now felt it his duty to submit, would,
Laei I'ALME RS-I:ONE, after a few prefatory
I ducting the income-tax. A Major had then 15s. now Ihe trusted, be attributed tel the real motive which
le. oseiens, in v inch he claimed the indulgence of
he had 14s. 6d. A Captain had 10s. row he had I niged him to • stand forward-a desire to serve his
tr"e el,ene, and promised to trespass upon it as short-1
i 9s. 6d. Thei others, to be sure, had increased-a / country-to secure to us the means of contending
1 • :, p...sible, proceeded to recapitulate the dif-
e•-• Pi. :10LiS of. the Estimates. which he stated in ! Lieutenant had then ss. lid, now he had 6s. Bd. ;an lagainst Bonaparte, who had.hienself calculated upon
I Ensign had 3s. Bd. now he had 4s. Bd. At the time l living thirty years, during which there was too much
;:li le stn en: to twenty-one. He proceeded through
i alluded to, the salary of Secretary at War was 205.! reason to apprehend that would continue the hive-
,; u:le ;,V One, shewing as he went along the
per day ; now, he had no doubt, it was multiplied ten ; terate and active foe of Great Britain.
e , e :::-.ev, made in the respective Departments
,•;,;, eei e dee- were severally connected, and the i times. The Under Secretary had then 7s. 6.1. per I Mr. ROSE concurred with his Honourable Friend,
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now he believed, he had as many pounds as he i as to the propriety of every practicable retrenchment,
litee.ie• or decrease that resulted. from that change.ldaY;
I had then shillings. During this period Major Gene- I and of subjecting the public expenditure to some
,r,„ rr.„ ~,,,1:: of ilte twenty-one heads he stated to
b*! 11::!t of tii• ',And rotates. He said, that the gene-
Inds had received no addition ; and the only reason ' controuling power-that in fact only one hand should
that seemed to present itself as accounting for this, he allowed to go into the public purse.
But he dif-
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'l s.i- le ashesie Cie esetl,lishment was where the ef-
;.,,,,:,,e, 111;1 ~:1,,:1; (- . -.I r. 0.1 men. The establishment of inconsistency was, that they were not represented, as: feted from his Honourable Friend in some of the
1 : ...Ae was fixed a; t-103. There would be found an in- ! Secretaries at War bad been, in that House. The ! points he had advanced, and maintained the necestityl
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e ea: cn aic..estabiislirnoit, owing to the transfer to the' Honourable General proceeded to mention a num- : of keeping up the Manx and Newfoundland Corps.
a:- eel's, ei.it Department, of tile supp; lag the bread ber of other grievances under which Officers in the I Mr. Secretary RYDER stated, that the reduction
as.; 711c-:' to tl.e men. There was also a reduction in Army laboured, and stated, that the sum proposed to about to take place in the expenditure of the Local
scescoeee. of the abolition of the agency of cavalry be allowed them for wine, not tieing more than at the ' Militia, proceeded from a diminution of the number
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rite of '2ss. a-year for each Officer, could not be :i of the days of training, and also of. the Non-comrais-
rea j7it. net article was that of the cavalry. Here
' ukfull received. Isioned Officers attached to that body.
:::ore tes.a. reduction caused by the' dismounting of t.la y
tv...n-. 1 .71 t'.4l in each troop, Under the head of House. Lord G. L. GOWER felt disappointed at the i Mr. P. MOO RE congretitlated.both the Honour;
leil arenos there was a decrease in number of 720 Istatement he had heard. He had trusted that the . able Gentlemen on the other side (Mr. Rose and Mr.
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i burdens of the public, as connected with Army Esti- ; Huskisson), on the new sentiments which they had
n, o. aecl in expences of kale 49. Under the head
ef Dees:oil and Draenon Guards, there was a tie- i mates, would have been alleviated to a far itreater de- this night expressedy-on their zeal for that reform
crr, w! in nemberi of lta6 men, and in expense of
gree. He did not think the items had been Fioked into and retrenchment in the public excienditure, which
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"6.),.:-:;).. This great saving was owing to an ar- with a sufficiently scrutinizing eye. He was of bpi-. they discountenanced so much in the last Sessions,
ra:u..;fluent by which 'Troop Quarter-Masters were nion that the practice of buying for the cavalry horses : when proposed to the consideration of the House, lay
deeieeineed, and Serjeant-Majors substituted in their at two years old, by which means the expense of • his Honourable. Friend near him (Mr. Wardle). It
pl tee. L`e.-1-•r tare head of the unnumbered corps, keeping them till they were of use often exceeded ' was grateful to his mind, as well for the sake of these
one hundred pounds, ought to be done away. The Gentlemen themselves, as for the public good, to
r!.,:re was a decreese in numbers cf 1,237 men, and
~ .-iii!-* of aa 9,7°1. Under the head of Garrison Waggon Train too, instead of being reduced, ought . witness the reform which had taken place in their
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..f. et Tons, there was a reduction of two Battalions, to be done away entirely. The Manx Corps was of opinions. • ,
aa i a savinyr of £s''),:;i 7. Under the head of the no use ; the Officers followed other avocations, and ; ' Lord TEMPLE expressed a wish to know what
f.;:,. il Wassroa Train, which consisted originally of the privates were labourers ; yet they bad full pay, was the nature of the change about to take place
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I.VC,!!‘%! troeps, it would be found tf•at five of those as if they were efficient regular troops. The City in the establishment of the Medical Board ? What
tv:,:ive had been discontinued ; for, however use- Militia, and the Tower Hamlets, whoa services were security the country was to have that the new Board
,fui to ferei,en service, the establishment was thought extremely limited, he thought were not of real utility. about to be appointed would take care to guard
to a uenecessarily large while remaining at home; For the Home District there were two Generals-the against these calamities which were so justly attributed
tinder this head of the Royel Waggon Train, Duke of Cambridge and Lord HeathfieW, who had to the present" Board ? Whether the Physicians to be
teere. vayeai be found to be a saving of £23,4:33. Rol,ooo or £.5000 a year for baking after 2400 men! appointed should be capable of judging of camp and
--Ti-.c next head was that of the Barrack Artifi. There was another Honourable General in that House contagious diseases-(hear, hear,)-and also whether
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cees at Gibraltar, but that was not in this year's who he•was surprised was not ashamed to hold his it was possible that intention existed of allowing
rents. Under the head of Mena Fencibles, there was District ; and, in Scotland, to 11,000 men there were , the Members of the present Board to retire on-full
a reduction of 1;47 men. Under these two last heads eleven Generals ! All these things, lie thought, re. • pay, notwithstanding the evils occasioned by their dis-
toniid he found a savin ef in the one of £13,854, quired to be looked into. I union and ignorance ?
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and in the (thee of ka,•;i.--;:a, ao mach for the de- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ! The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
cr..asos. R'u't respect to the increases, the first was stated that it could not be said that Government had could not conceive how any assurance could be af-
tiot of 4,7,733, in conseaneoce of the addition of been inattentive to any of the points referred to by his forded beforehand as to the capacity'of the individuals
heel-eilicers. There wa, also al increase of £113,9`%0 Noble Friend who spoke last. It was no dou y the to be appointed to succeed the present Medical Board
to make g,,od the Inss,,s seseane 1 in the services in easiest way in order to produce economy, to db en- (" Yes," said Lord Temple, across the table, "by
aeOli and floats America, :is also on account of the tirely away such parti of a system as seemed to re- naming them.") The Chancellor of the Exchequer
i''camsed allowances to regiments at borne, and the quire abridgment ; but he conceived that this onght , observed, that he was not prepared to comply with
(the Noble Lord's request.. But the Noble Lord
aielgence to officers in the remittance of duties upon to be dome with caution.
wires. Under the held of ' and Forces, the increase Lord p. L. GOWER explained. !'might be assured, that care would be taken to select
cf men sees 127 men, and the increase of expense General TARLETON, alluding to an observation ; the most eligible persons; and that it was meant,
eels i.'98,4e19. The next bawl was that of the East of a Noble Lord (G. L.Gower), asked why he should las an additional security for the performance of
India eeeimente, the cearees of which were defray- ibe ashamed tohold a situation after having been thirty- their duty, that they should confine themselves wholly
ed by tilts-Company Tie.,;•ext head was the Troops 1 four years in the service ? He had been second in .to the superintendence of the Medical Department,
and Companies Recruiting :or the East India Regi. aeon-mend in Ireland, and after gainingthe good will • and to the consideration of those diseases to which the
ments ; here these: seas a small increase of £347.- iof the inhabitants, had -been sent into inactivity, i army were liable. IT any of those appointed should
Under the hai'd of the Freaodied M•litia, there v.-as i thereby, as he conceived it, being disgraced, and sent !be found incapable, their dismissal would follow of
aft increase in m ..n i,f.r.ol,alal in expellee of £150,786.
;to Siberia. - (il laugh.) [course. As to the idea of granting full pay to the
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Under the head of -;•,.,;tri, Garrisons, there was an 1 Mr. lIUSKISSON felt disappointed at the Esti- I Members of the present Medical Board, upon their
increase oli.-2. ~24.7 ; this increase was not owing to the mates.now submitted to the House, every item of . retirement, he knew not why the Noble Lord should
Staff. There was also an increase in consequence of which ought to have been fixed with regatd to the I imagine the existence of any such intention, unless he
the new atreeeements for
potting the Chaplains of strictest economy. A considerable diminution in our -, inferred it from the application of those Members
the Army on. a better feeble ; every person ap- .expenditure was essential, or rather was indispensible ..: themselves. Upon this subject he should only add,
feinted an Army Chaplain must first have his testi- to the safety of the country. This could only be el- I that the new arrangement about to take place in the
ensiori signed 'oy either of tile two Archbishops, or fected by revision and retrenchment. In order to shew I Medical Department was determined upon long be-
ll,: tishrip of Lor don ; after eight Years service lie the neceseity which called for economy, the Honour- `fore the pending inquiry was brought forward.
may retire on hell-Day of ;s, a day, or it he continues able Member steted the growth of-our revenue' the f Mr.. WARDLE halicd the appearance of a dispo-
net proceeds of its produce was in .1782 only ten mil- sition. to ceconomy add reform, which had so uile.x-
ht the SCI":;CL, lik pay is to be increased to sixpence .3-
day, Into it, am,,mus to fon pay. The decrease -of lions eby the year 179'2, notwithotendinglhe utmost . p.,Ctedly presented itself to the Committee. He re-
`u 4 . • din as
Mr. Pitt to promote retrenchment, it rote •jo ce -., conversion of any man, particularly if duel
Selpeteamerery Officers amounted in tepence to industry of . .
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stleae. • Under the head of Public Departments, in . to sixteen millions; and, in the year I 11091tarnonnted conversltm vrieroised to produce any rod to the corn?.
and. to sixty, millions., Thus, in' the course' of-rt year& our try: The Hiancruritile . Gentleman (Mr. HuskiAsonl,
the Pay•effice, there sees an increase of .411,272,
in the War-0 dice of 1'8.865 making' under this revenue had ad4aneedne leis than* fold; 'Midi this leaned to have received 'snine nesy,lizlits, and 6, w*
lad an increase of 0214497., There was: i
.sepa. statement before the Committee; 'he wk sure that I glad Of it, particularly as Oily led Xi. tn. to the Vilest
of the propriety i road. His animadversions upon the waggon train
rr'ku et th Dep. ce for examining
e tWO .At MCI ac. every. Gentleman must be satisfied
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