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ACAPTAIN of INFANTRY, on full pay, is de-
sirous of EXCHANGING, at the Regulation Price, to
the full pay of CAVALRY.—Address, O. P. No. 18, Esse:-
street, Strand.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

Fatstourn JAN. 31.—Wind S.W.--.Arrived the Bell, Warr.,
us, from Oporto.
Ptratotixtr, Faa. I.—Wind W.—Arrived the Christiana trans-
port, from Gibraltar, with part of the 11th Regiment ; and the
Mary Anne Isabella, STZPIILVSON, from Hull for Buenos Ayres.
The Brilliant, Fanny, and Albany, transports, arrived here on
Tuesday last, with detachments of the 11th Regiment from Gi-
braltar. The Sr frigate, Captain Wrise, C.B. was paid offl
yesterday. Major Kinsman, of Dock, is appointed Paymaster
of the Plymouth Division of Royal Marines, vice Lieutenant-
Colonel Funny, deceased. Lieutenant SOUTHEY, commanding
the Genre Revenue cutter, has exchanged commands with
Lieutenant Roo, of the SYLVIA. Lieutenant Borrocx, late of
the Ord;nary at this port, is appointed to the Preventive Ser-
vice at Dawlish ; and Lieutenant Seem, to Dublin. The fol-
lowing Meers have born appointed, with Captain Bursas, to
the Ga.assnorres, viz.—Lieutenants W. R. Waco a), and J.
E. C. PITY 111.11; JONI TILIVISIL, Master; WiLLIAYI WAIT, Sur-
geon; RICHARD GRIFFITH, Assistant-Surgeon; and THOMAS
floater, Purser. 'lke JASON, of 18 guns;isordered to be fitted
at this port for foreign service. Captain H. F.. NAPIER is ap-
pointed to command hers and Mr. CHARLAS GRILLS Clue of the
SURINAIII), Purser.
The schooner Kitty, of and from this pert for St. Michael's,
was spoken with on the 15th instant, in lat. 42. 6. lor.g. 18. SO.
On the sOth instant, in lat. 49. S. long. 11. the General Graham,
front London to Jamaica, out seven days from this port. The
schooner Spectator, Taauson &CLAM, of and from this port,
arrived 'at Nevis, the gist December, and was soon after to sail
for Berrauda.—Teo frigates are to be built in this yard, solely
of African timber, and one of teak wood, arrived front the East
Indies. Frames of other vessels of larger size are also to be set
up of the same kind of timber. The consumption of Fsnglish oak
is to be avoided as much as possible, and indeed the fine qualities
of different kinds of oak brought from abroad will supersede the
extensive use of the axe in our forests for a considerable time:—
The SIOLTROAPATAM frigate, Captain WAILRAN, built of teak, is
now fitting here.
Poarsasocrsi, Fes. 2.—Wind N.W.—Arrived the Lady Ha-
milton and Sir George Osborne transports, from the Cape of
Good Hope; Ocean, IWNEttAaa, from London for Jamaica;
Ceres, ADLIT and Mary, GUNTON, from Messina. Passed up
Channel, the beinerara, from Demerara.

Dear., Fee. 2.—Wind N.—Arrived and sailed for the River,
the Hannah, Levies, from Halifax ; Joseph Hume, Scorr, from
the Canaries; Angerstein, Tnomrsox, from Trinidad; Tuscan,
from the South Seas; and Maria, Vire from Havre. Came
down from the River, the Waterloo, DONALD, for the Cape of
Good Hope ; Britannia, EVANS, for St. Kin's ; Thetis, MID-
DLETON; and William Shand, Musrrax, for Jamaica : they have
all sailed, with the remainder of the outward-bound.
Cerrox-Holies, FRIL I.—Ships Entered Inwards t The Olive
Branch, Swift, and Happy Return, from Waterford; Joseph,
from Cork ; Angelique, and Heroes, from Calais; Jean, from
Antwerp; Margaret, from Rouen; Perseverance packet, from
Cork.—Entered Outwards: Betsey, fur Grenada ; Alice, for
Jamaica; King Henry and Pursuit, for St. Thomas's.—Cleared
Outwards : Wilton, for Naples ; Unity, for Dublin ; Marmion
for Hamburgh. _ _ _

Fxs. Y.—Entered Inwards : Nassau, from St. Michael's ; Vine,
from Newry ; Linen hall, from Dublin ; Hazard, from Dun-
kirk.—Entered Outwards : Thermatis, for Amsterdam ; Enter-
prise. fur Pourdeaux.—Cleared Outwards : Hambletonian, for
St. Mary's; Charles, fur St. Thomas's; Spanish Patriot, fur
Cadiz; Trees, for Trinidad.
Axarezi—At Lisbon, the Elizabeth, Bena, from Exeter;
Friends, Litten ; and the hope, Love, from. London ; Henry,
Coved. front Newcastle ; Minerva, Taylor, from Belfast ; George,
Robins, from Amsterdam ; Eliza, Short, from Bristol ; Tho-
mas and Mary, Dysart ; and Juno, Blackburn, from London ;
Snipe, Swain, from Bristol ; and Duke of Marlborough packet,
from Falmouth. At Charleston, Thomas Gilbert, Brown, from
Liverpool; and Elizabeth, Sebor, from London.

Yesterday the Duchess of CLARENCE took an airing
to Kensington, ice.
The Princess SoputA visited the Duchess of CLA-
RENCE yesterday. • _

Sir 'WILLIAM SCOTT still lies dangerously ill, at
his residence in Grafton-street.

MA RRIANZ IN Hum Ltra.—Yesterday evening, at
eight o'clock, Lord Viscoint CRANBONNI, the only
son of the Marquis of SALISBURY, led to the Hyme-
neal Altar, the accomplished daughter of Mr. &tiara
Geavaitatat, in the presence of
The Duke of Wanton, Marquis and Marchionem of Salle:
bury, Countess of Westmeath, hiatehicateu Dowager of Down-
shire, the Ladies Hill, Lord Arthur HIY. Cameral and the two
Mims Caseating, Mr. and Mrs.livelyn, Mrs. ad Miss Stewart,
, and the Earl of Chweadm •

The ceremony was performed in the Great Saloon
at Mr. GASCOIGNE'S house, by the Hon. and Rev.
G EItRARD WELLESLEY. 'The Duke of WELLINGT6N
gave the Lady away. The Bridemaids were the
Misses GASCOIGNE' her cousins. The Bride was
habited in a superb dress of Valenciennes lace, and
looked most lovely. After the ceremony the happy
pair left town for Mr. DANIEL GILES'S beautiful seat.
called Youngsbury, in Hertfordshire, there to pass
the honeymoon.
DRURY-LANE THEATRE.---A Drama in three acts,
called Theresa ; or, The Orphan of Geneva, an avowed
importation from the Continent, was performed at'
this Theatre yesterday evening for the first time.—
The interest, which is of a painful yet powerful na-
ture, arises from a plot somewhat after'the manner of
the Maid and the Magpie. The chief character was
sustained by Miss KELLY, in a style that would have
ensured success to a piece of inferior merit. With
the aid of judicious curtailment, a successful run
may be anticipated.

We regret to learn that that immense pile of
building, the Caxton Printing-house of Liverpool,
belonging to Mr. FISHER, was on Friday se'pnight
completely destroyed by fire, with nearly the whole
of the stock which it contained. The establishment
thus unfortunately destroyed, was the most extensive
periodical publication warehouse in the United King-
dom. The stock and premises were insured fur
£36,000, but it is not known whether this sum will
cover the actual loss. By this calamity, nearly one
hundred individuals are deprived of the means of
gaining a livelihood by their industry.
Gassy Suarrnm.—The Berton Gazette says, " Four ;young
Gentlemen belonging to Boston gavelled on skates a distance of
nine miles in twenty-seven minutes, being at the rate of twenty
inNes M an hour-44s any sweat thswerk twat tkie if fa can !"
Gansu, the Cantbridgeshire shelter, who lately di‘ a mils in
kw than three iniantes, is, perhaps the only man In the !vitriol
wisp spit awswe; ski, &Asap!

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 1821.

P.IRLIAMENTARY PROCEEDI S.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRU 2.
Certain Papers presented front the East India any were
laid upon the table.
Sir %V. LEMON presented a Petition from titti Parish of St.
Blazin's, in Cornwall, praying for the restoration of the Queen's
name to the Liturgy.—Laid on the table.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL postponed presenting the Petition
on the Lilmainham Outrage,.until Wednesday next.
Colonel DAVIES moved for Accounts of the Militia of the
lonian Islands, and the number of Pensioned Knights of Malta.
Ordered to be laid on the table.
A motion was made for Returns of the Quantity of Woollen
Goods exported from this country from the sth of January,
1820, to the sth of January, MI, specifying the quantity in
each Quaiter' and the countries to which they had been ex-
'ported; also for the quantity of Sheep and Lambs' Wool im-
ported here within the same period, with a specification of what
quantity paid a duty of sixpence, and that which paid only one-
penny duty; and of what quantity of the saute was warehoused
up to the last day of January.—Ordered.
Sir 11. nmtos rose to give notice of a motion for Thurs-
day. He observed, with some regret, that the second week of
the Session itad been stabrod to go by.widsoat any Honourable
Member making a direct motion relative to the restoration of
her Majesty's name to the Liturgy. Under these circum-
stances he felt himself bound to come forward, and he now gave
notice that he would, on Thursday next, move that this House
do address the King to restore her Majesty's name to the
Liturgy—((Near, k.sr).
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for certain Papers connected
with the Inland Excise of ireland,which were ordered.
Mr. ROBINSON, in the absence of an Honourable Friend
of his, who was Prevented by indisposition from being resent,
moved that the Order of the Day for the Committee on Foreign
Trade, do stand over to Tuesday nett.
Sir WILLIAM CURTIS presented a Petition from several
persons engaged in the Foreign Timber Ttade, praying the
House to modify the Duties on the Importation of Timber.—
Laid on the table.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Corporation
of Shoemakers of Perth, praying the House to restore the
Queen's name to the Liturgy. The Petitioners expressed their
disapprobation of the measures taken by Ministers generally;
•and particularly reprobated the recent unjust and unjustifiable
proceedings against the Queen.—Laid on the table.
Lend CASTLEREA Gil brought up a Copy of the Conven-
tion which was entered into between this country and Austria
in 1795: also a Copy of the Dispatch from his Majesty's Com-
missioner at Troppau, dated the 19th of January, 1891.—Laid
upon the table.
Mr. ROBINSON moved, that the House, at its rising, do
adjourn over to Monday.—Agreed.
AMERICAN FLOUR.
Mr. CURTIES said he held in his hand a number
of the London Gazette, to an advertisement in which
he wished to call the attention of the House. It was
a notice from Government 'respecting proposals for
a supply of 17,000 bags of American Flour for the
use of the troops in the West Indies. Seeing the
President of the Board of Trade in his place, he
would ask that Right Ilonourable Gentleman, why
American Flour was thus openly preferred to British,
to the manifest prejudice of our Agriculturists?—
(Hear, hear).—lle would also ask him why the Flour
from Canada, which was a British Colony, should
not have a preference of other American Flour ?
The SPEAKER asked if the Honourable Member
meant to found a motion?
Mr. CURTIES replied, that if it was not irregular,
he would move that the Advertisement to which he
alluded should be laid upon the table.
Mr. ROBINSON said, he had no hesitation in
answering the Honourable Member's question. The
reason that American Flour had been preferred to
British, for the 'West India service, was, that the
latter had hot been found to keep sweet so long as
the former. Some two or three years ago, indeed,
a plan was in contemplation for sending this coun-
try's produce to the West Indies, exclusively ; but it
failed, for the reason he had already stated. He was
not aware of what gave one the superiority over the
other, if it was not some difference in the mode of
dressing the flour. With regard to the advertise-
ment alluded to, he was not ignorant of such a notice
having. been given in the Gazette; but he had no
hesitation in saying now, that the Board would wil-
lingly give the British exporter another experiment,
and they had every disposition to give the British
grower a preference.
Mr. CURWEN stated, that the only difference in
the modes of dressing the American and British Flour
was, that in the former the corn was dried on a kiln
before it was ground. If this process was necessary
to qualify flour for keeping in the West Indies, it
would be easy to apprise our growers of the circus-
stance. He thought the subject one of considerable
importance to the Agricultural Interest of the country.
The document was then laid on the table.

THE QUEEN.
•
Sir R. WILSON said, he held in his hand a Peti-
tion which was signed by upwards of 800 coopers,
residing in London and its vicinity. The Petitioners
complained of the omission of her Majesty's name
from the. Liturgy ; and, in strong terms, condemned
the injustice of treating any one as a criminal before
they, had been tried. They hoped the House would
be consistent enough to adhere to its own declaration,
that a proceeding against the Queen was " derogatory
to the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best
interests of the People." Ministers had promised,
that if the Queen was acquitted, she should be re-
stored to all her rights. The. Petition then asked that
her name should be so restored, and it concluded
with a with that the House would, without delay,
make inquiry into the Milan Commission—that i
gal Commission, which reflected more disgrace u
this country than any other circumstance, perhaps,
which was to be met with in history. In this latter
prayer -the gallant General said he himself heartily
concurred ; he thought an immediate inquiry-ought
to be set on foot, and he hoped the Noble Lord whose
motion stood for an approaching night, would give
this subject a prominent place in that motion. He
had always considered the Milan Commission as il-
legal ; indeed, he thought it was no more than a sort I
of inferior -agency Commission to the general con-
spiracy against her Majesty—(Hear, hear)—And
when he looked at the sort of witnesses which that
Commission sanctioned and sent here—men, who
(as Foi said of some witnesses in the Popish cause)
would not in an ordinary transaction be entitled to
.. gin small/Kr frlP:tili :. to., rtorair ctiettor..3 v.,....14 be

Scouted from a Court of Justice. When he saw that
they Were so indifferent to the cause of justice, as not
even to put any check on theie witnesses, he was at
a loss for a word to mark their criminality: From
his own knowledge he was enabled to say; that one-
half of the Reports which that illegal CdrnMission
sent over here, were utterly devoid of truth tit ken..
dation. The Austrian Ambastador assured him, that
when the worst reports were is eirculation here, res
specting her Majesty's conduct at Naples, there wail
not the slightest foundation for such reports; and this
Gentleman was well able to judgis for he was him-
self at the Court of Naples at the time. Nothing
could be more criminal than bribing her Majesty s
servants to traduce her character. If he was unjust:y
accusing the Milan Commission, which he still con•
tended was illegal, he did not shut out the Commis•
sioners from an opportunity of defending themselvesi
Hitherto they had offered nothing in their own.justi-
Seation, and though they shook. be condemned
'unheard, yet was their situation better than that of
the Queen, who, after being vied and acquitted, was
still treated as guilty. WAS ever thing more unjust;
than to treat a person as a criminal; because a sect
tion of her Judges were of a certain opinion? In cent-
mon justice, it should be Guilty or Not Guilty, bes
fore a Jury, and .a Bill or no Bill in the case of a
Bill of Pains and Penalties—(Hear, hear).—Her
jesty should demand a new trial, rather than submit
to be treated as guilty, after she had'been acquitted
—(Hear, hear), —He was sorry to see Ministers SMICa,
don in that House so great an injustice, as to bar,
boar suspicions against her Majesty after she had
been acquitted. The gallant General then stated,
that the last prayer in the Petition was, that in order
to appease the irritation of the country, and to restore .
tranquillity, the conspirators should be brought to
the bar of justice.—The Petition was ordered to lie
on the table, and be printed. •
Mr. LAMBTON, in presenting a similar Petitien
from the Householders and Inhabitants of Barnard
Castle, in the County of Durham, said, that he could
himself vouch for the respectability of the greater
part of the signatures to it. There was a fact con-
nected with this Petition which he wished to mention
to the House. In the town there were but 200 house-
'holders, and of these 169 signed the Petition, the re.
mainder being stated to him to be persons either con-
nected with the collection of the taxes, or in some
other way with the Government. The Petition
prayed the House, in the most earnest manner, to •
take steps for the immediate restoration of her Ma-
jesty's name to the Liturgy.—Laid on'the table.
! Lord SEFTON held in his hand a Petition signed
by 5,000 of the most respectable and opulent 'Mer-
-1
chants and Traders of Liverpool, to the same effect
as those which had been already presented to the .
House. The Petitioners were men who rarely inter-
fered in politics; and .be (Lord Sefton) could say,
that very many of them were of the first respect-
ability. Their first prayer was that with regard to
the question of the Queen, this House would not -
consent to any further steps being taken therein; hut
that she should be immediately put in full possession
of ad her rights. They next desired that the House
would even now make some inquiry into the dis-
graceful outrage which was committed so long since
at Manchester ; next, that some reduction would be
made in the taxes, whereby the necessaries of life
would be more accessible to the poor ;. and, lastly,
that the People should be let into some reasonable
share in the legislation, by some Reform in Parlia-
ment. In all these prayers the Noble Lord added
that he entirely concurred.
Mr. CREEVEY rose with great pleasure to give
this Petition his support. From his connexion with
Liverpool, be was convinced that the House ought
to pay some attention to this Petition. With regard
to the several heads of which it was composed, he
would say, that as to the first nothing could be more
reasonable than that the Petitioners should demand
the restitution of all her Majesty's rights, now that
!there was no longer a pretence for withholding them.
Whatever might be the cause of first striking out her
`Majesty's name—whether it arose from caprice, or a
miataken view of the power of the Crown—surely •
there was no reason whatever for acting upon -that
omission at this time, as a punishment upon her Ma-
jesty for a crime, after she had been acquitted—
(Hear, hear). It behoved every one to resist the
proposition, once broached, and since acted upon by
the Noble Lord, his colleagues and admirers in that
House, that the third reading of a Bill of Pains and
Penalties was equivalent to a verdict ofguilty against
the defendant, though the Bill had been witharawn
by the Ministers themselves. Could there be a
greater outrage on law or justice, than the advances
went of such a proposition as this ? For he would
ask, if a third reading found the guilty why did not
a second or a first, or no reading at all, but a Report
of the Lords—by much the most 'convenient of any....
why did not any of these find the guilt? One stage
of a Bill was as important as another, and it was ridi-
culous to say that the third reading proved more
than the second, or indeed that it proved anything
at all, when the Bill itself did not pass—(Hear, hear).
This was the old story as to acquitted felons; but
'they only had the name, not the punishment. Like.
the Noble Lord, his followers- aspersed-the Queen, as
the lowest creature in the world. It would make a
man ashamed, to see the way in which they treated
the first abject in the realm—treating her as guilty,
who in every point of view ought to be looked upon
as acquitted. It ought•to be guilty or not
Bill or no Bill. Could the Queen take money from
those who, in the preface to thegrant, threw out the
most insulting reflections upon her?—(Naar, hear),
He was glad her Majesty acted with a becoming spi-
rit in asserting her right, and preferring her honour
and character to every other consideration. Notwith.
standing the arts of the- Noble Lord, this great and
generous Nation'would not suffer her Majesty to lie
under a degradation the most severe, that of religion
(Hear, hear). The next part, of the Petition referred.
In the outrage at Manchester, and prayed that

now some steps would be taken to inquire into and
punish its authors. This was a rational request, and
the people of Liverpool had too severely felt the,
shock of that outrage, to pass it over in silence. He'
did. not now inquire whether the Meeting at Man-
chester was legally or illegally dispersed ; all that
appeared was, that a great multitude of unarmed,
dthnceless persons were assembled together; that
they were rode in upon and massacred by an armed
force—(Hear); that the Magistrates who advised
that measure were, upon an e.e parte statement,
thanked for their conduct by the Crown; and who
that looked at all these things could be so insensible
as to say that no inquiry was necessary ?—(Hear.)
With regard to the next point, namely, the reduction
of the taxes, he (Mr. Creevey) had, early in the Ses-
sion, given an opinion on that subject; and he could
only say, that Liverpool felt the pressure of these
taxes as much, perhaps, as any other town in the
kingdom. He hoped Petitions•to the same effect
would be coming in from every town, for it was but
mockery to talk of relief while such grinding taxes
remained—(Hear, hear). The House should, ac-
cording to the prayer of the Petition, do its duty,
and see what reductions might be made in the wan-
ton and unnecessary expenditure of the State. But
it was said by the Honourable Member for Abing-
don, that when we had so extensive and multiplied
a public debt, taxes should necessarily be paid. 'l'o
this he would' answer simply that they could not.
The country would, one day or other, be brought to
that pass that iecould afford no more taxes; and he
would now put it to the House to say whether it was
not better at once to cut up the evil, than by putting
off the evil day, .to have it come with more certain
ruin. He trusted the House would overflow with

the complaints of the country on this subject. He
was now come to the last prayer in the Petition,
whereby the Petitioners sought some Reform in that
House. The debate of Friday night was a proof
how much Reform was wanted in the House of Com-
mons. There was seen a majority voting not only
against the People, but against their own recorded
opinion—(Hear, hear). And Liverpool came with
strong claims for a share in the legislation. There
were upwards of 100,000 persons in the town, but
of these there were only 2,500 freemen. It must be
admitted, that this was a very imperfect representa-
tion of such a place. Freedom of the town was only
to be obtained by apprenticeship, or by the sons of "
freemen; so that strangers coming in there, no mat-
ter what their property was, could never obtain a
franchise. Of the 2.500 freemen, of course, many
were under the influence of the Corporation, and
more from, the contracts which Government entered
into with them from time to time. Add to these the
number who were the immediate servants of Govern-
ment, and the residuum would be small indeed. In
conclusion, the Honourable Member contended that
the House ought to give such a Representation to
the great trading town of Liverpool as would give
to its rank and property sufficient influence.
Mr. GLADSTONE rose to set the Honourable
Member right, as to some facts which he had stated.
It was not true that there were but 2,500 freemen in
Liverpool, for by the Town Clerk's Return, there ap-
peared to be upwards of 5,000. The Corporation
was not under the influence complained of by the
Honourable Member. The Government contracts
were managed in the most impartial manner. There
were many very respectable persons in Liverpool who
disagreed in the sentiments of this Petition. He
could say that the great maim ity of the respectable
inhabitants of Liverpool approved of the conduct of
Ministers. The Honourable Member then went into
a history of a Meeting, at which a Loyal Address
was agreed to, and contended, that such Address
spoke the general feelings of the people of Liverpool.
Mr. CREEVEY, in explanation, said, that but
2,500 freemen had voted at the last Election: He
denied that the Loyal Address spoke the general sen-
timents, for the day after, at a Meeting convened by
the Mayor, an Address much less complimentary to
Ministers, was agreed to.. At this second Meeting,
the Honourable Member over the way (Mr. Glad-
stone) was afraid to chew his face—(A laugh).
'Mr. GLADSTONE said, that the Loyal Address
in less than three days obtained 4,000 signatures, and
this was pretty good evidence of the .sentiments of
the people there.—The Petition was then laid upon
the table, and ordered to be printed.
A similar Petition was presented by Lord SEF-
TON from Croydon, in Surrey.—The Petition was
laid on the table.
PETITION OP THE MERCHANTS, &C. OP LONDON.
• Mr. J. SMITH said, he held in his hand a Peti-
tion to which lie invited a close attention from the
House. It was the Petition of the Bankers, Mer-
chants, and Traders of the City of London, to the
number of upwards of 5,000 lignatures, and though
he would not say that such men had a greater claim
—nay, perhaps, not so great as those in poverty and
obscurity, upon the House, yet, if property was at
all evidence of talent or integrity, this Petition was
as much entitled to the attention of the House as any
that had ever been presented to Parliament--(Hear).
To the prayer of the Petition, he was sure the House
would lend a willing ear. It respectfully but ears
nestly besought them to take immediate and decisive
steps for allaying the ferment at present existing in
the public mind—a prayer than which nothing could
be more legitimate, and to which he (Mr. Smith)
. gave his entire concurrence. The Petitioners then
proceeded to make three. or four observations, in-
sisting in the outset,- that in attachment and devotion
to the Constitution of this country, they would yield
to no set of men, and professing that their great
wish was the maintenance of the institutions of the
country—(Hear). They then gave an opinion, that
in a time of severe and trying distress, the People
were loyal and attached tcr the Constitution a and, if
instances of a contrary spirit should anywhere occur,
the laws at present in force were quite sufficient to
repress them--(Hear). Being (as bankers and mer-
chants) necessarily interested in the preservation of
public credit and general prosperity, they do not
conceal but that they.deplore the depressed state of
.the country, produced, as it appeared to them, by no
other cause than the agitation in the public mind, is
consequence of the proceedings against her Majesty
the Queen—proceedings which had. been charac-
• mixed by that House as " derogatory to the dignity
of die. Crown, and injurici,us tp. tlie best interests of
the People"—(Hear). They reprobated all the first
steps taken in that unhappy affair, as wanton, and

not called for by any reasonable necessity—(Mar).
They Likewise condemned the persevering in them
as disgraceful, when they were to be supported
by the most detestable evidence that was ever be-
fore offered in a Court of Justice—(lkar, hear).
But Petitioners did not mean to deny, but that if any
necessity existed for the proceeding—if, for instance,
the succession to tho Crown was endangered, the Ser-
vants of the Crown would be justified in paying the
penalty of present unpopularity,, in order to secure
future peace. They could not, however, shut their
eyes against the. truth—they saw the Ministers rush-
ing advi,edly and deliberately into the measure, and
was not their conduct aggravated by their inattention
to the warning given them by an Hon. Friend of his,
the Member for Bramber (Mr. Wilberforce), who
pointed out the dreadful effects of the evidenceon the
morals of the country ? Ministers had many duties,
but surely it was not amongst the least of these that
they should keep a watchful eye over the morals of
the country ?—(Hear, hear). Having then stated the
objects of this Petition, 'be would now say a word as
to its history and progress. Not long since, a number
of Gentlemen of high respectability thought fit to
meet together at a Coffee-house in the City, in order
to display their loyalty, but without giving any pub-
lic notice, or indeed any notice at all, except to a few
of their personal friends. At that Meeting a Decla-
ration was agreed to, and with its sentiments he (Mr.
J. Smith) entirely agreed, and so did all these Peti-
tioners ; but they thought a dry declaration of loy-
alty, in such times as the present, was not enough—
they would say much more. However, the way in
which this Meeting was assembled, and the way in
.which the Declaration was got up, was taken excep-
tion to by a great majority of the wealthy men of
the City, and they thought naturally that no set of
men had a right to impose their own sentiments as
those of so large and respectable a body as that o£
the Mercantile Interest of the City of London. When,
therefore, a public notice was conspicuously affixed,
purporting to say, that the Declaration of the Mer-
chants, Bankers, and Traders, of the City of London,"
'was lying open for signatures, the Petitioners thought
it high time to state publicly what their real opinions
were. The Loyal Declaration certainly purported to
be what it was not, namely, the organ of the senti-
ments of the London Merchants: it was simply that
of a few individuals; and if they had confined it to
themselves, no one could have quarrelled with them,
'and he (Mn Smith) would not have to present this
Petition to-night. The Petitioners, therefore, called
a Public Meeting of the Merchants, Bankers, and
Traders, at the Mansion House, where they proposed
their measures openly and avowedly, not like a pri-
vate Meeting, which might be always moulded to
meet the wishes of a few, or which might be called
together at the suggestion of the Government. The
Meeting then took place in o public manner at the
Mansion House, and the Chief Magistrate of the
City presided at it. He (Mr. Smith) moved a series
of Resolutions, embracing the principal heads of this
Petition ; and though be was unwilling to aggravate
the irritation which.prevailed, yet he was obliged to
vindicate the conduct of the Meeting, by stating, that
it was the most numerous assembly of well-dressed
persons which had, perhaps, ever been seen in Lon-
don. The proceedings began quietly enough ; but
when he came to propose the third Resolution, re-
specting the Queen, there commenced a scene of
uproar and confusion which he had never before seen
equalled. He was strongly inclined to think, that
this interruption was, concerted—(Hear, hear)—and
that those who had snugly voted themselves loyal,
thought themselves bound to put an extinguisher on.
all public discussion. Indeed, some of these Gentle-
Men did at one time hold a doctrine that all Public
Meetings created disturbance, and, in order to sup
' -.
port that doctrine, they thought it incumbent on them
to come there and breed a riot-....(Laughter). That it'
was a concerted thing he was snare iaclined to believe
for this reason; that all was quiet -until. the Queen's
name was mentioned, and manyofthoserwho made'
the disturbance concurred with him (Mr. Smith) in•
some of his views• respecting those proceedings. But
it was clear Ministers might know, whatever. success
they had in another place, they never could carry it
through this House, as witnesses could not be exa-
mined at the Bar upon oath. All that Ministers then
could have in view, was to throw an unfounded
aspersion on the Queen. He contended that there
was no reason for saying 'everything had not been
fairly done; for the Lord Mayor did all in his power
to preserve order. He had heard of a Protest, but
as that was signed by only one individual, he appre-
hended it would not have much weight in that House.
The worthy Baronet, Member for the City, did not
sign it; and, indeed, on the day in question, he dis-
played the most perfect good humour, as he always
does—(Laughter). There was; therefore, no grounds
for objecting to the mode in which this Petition was
prepared; and he trusted the House Would give it
that consideration which it deserved—(Near, hear).
Sir WILLIAM CURTIS denied that the Meeting
at the London Coffee-house, was improperly called;
and be asserted, that for property and integrity the
signatures to the Loyal Declaration there were not to
be surpassed. He did not see why the Petitioners
should not sign the Declaration. He himself had
signed it, because it exprissed unshaken love to the
Constitution and the Monarchy, and because he
thought it . right that certain classes in the country
should be taught that there were men in it who were
determined at any risk to stand up for the mainte-
nance of the throne and the institutions of the coun-
try—(Hear). Such were the motives that prompted
him to sign a Declaration, which both then and now
he considered a milk and water Declaration—as he
would consider every declaration of loyalty, which
did not express openly and decidedly, strong appro-
bation of she conduct of his Majesty's Ministers. He
sought no concealed place—no hole or corner to de-
dare his sentiments. He, as he always did, .came
forward to, vindicate his principles, to tell the world
what were his opinions without fear. He strongly
felt that it was incumbent on every man in the coun-
try who wished well •to its best interests, and saw
that the preservation of the Monarchy was deeply
connected with their interests, to come forward and
cheer up his Majesty by assurances of attachment to
his throne—(Laughter).. With, respect to what oc-
curred at the Meeting in the Egyptian Hall,.he could
only say, that be reinembeted well that his
Friend opposite (Mr. J. Smith). was hard with great
attention ; te never witnessed, at a Public Meeting
any person being better heard. But it sometimes

'happened., that whea an assembly ditTnot like any
part of a speecheahey would express their disappro-
bation; and certainly when the Hon. Gentleman did
mention the name of the Queen, there was much
disapprobation expressed, There was, upOn the sub-
ject of her Majesty, much difference of opinion out
of doors as well as in that 'House, and in his opinion
there was a greater majority unfavourable to her out
of doors than there was within !—(llear, and a laugh
from the Opposition). As soon as the lion. Geode-
man finished his speech, in the delivery of which he
was heard, as well as he could expect, he (Mr. Smith)
came forward and proposed the first Resolution,
which was carried. He (Sir W. Curtis') then offered
himself to the attention of the Meeting, which he
begged to say consisted of as well dressed and as
good looking men as he had ever-seen at a Meeting
of the kind. The moment, however, that he at-
tempted to speak, there was a tumult raised from a
certain quarter of the assembly, and not a word could
be heard. He assured that House that he came fdr-
ward in the Egyptian Hall, as quietly and as tern-
perately as he did at that moment to address the
House of Commons. But the assembly would not
hear him, and the business of the day was so dis-
turbed by tumult, that it was impossible for any one.
to be heard. What did this prove, but that it was
impossible on any occasion where the feelings are
deeply agitated, and especially where there was much
difference of opinion, for so large a body as the
Merchants, Bankers, and Traders of the city of Lon-
don, to come to any positive conclusion upon any
questfon. It was for this reason that he had all along
objected to the holding of a• Public Meeting. Find-
ing it impossible to obtain a hearing at this Meeting,
and seeing, moreover, several stout, hale Gentlemen
sit tranquilly by, without attempting to come for-
ward, and who he verily believed would not stir a
step though. the State were going to pot!—seeing
that, he thought it the best way to retire at once.—
For his part he believed there never was such a scene,
—shouting, clamour, and noise of all sorts, prevented
anything like a discussion taking place, and at length
it came to a battle royal! " There we were," said
the Hon. Baronet, " all on one side"—( Laughter, and
cheers from the Opposition).—" There I was at my
post, as I shall always be when my Country and King
demand my presence." But in looking over the
names affixed to the Requisition, in consequence of
which this Meeting was held, he read the names of
two Hon. Gentlemen, one of whom be believed had
been, about this time last year, or earlier, quite
another way, as he signed a Declaration dissimilar
in its objects to those of this Meeting. Another Gen-
tleman, Mr. George Grenfell, the son of an lion.
Member was one of the Requisitionists for a Meet-
ing in ISIS, for quite a dissimilar purpose also. Now
he really did not see any objection to these Gentle-
men at least coming for ward and signing the Loyal
Declaration. All that he objected to in it was its
milk and water character; and he trusted that the
next framer of a Loyal Declaration, would take care
to give it a more decided tone than could be traced
in the present. With respect to the Petition now pre-
sented, the great objection he had to it was, that it
was mot the Petition of the Meeting from which it
professed to emanate. There was no question put
that it should be adopted, and certainly if it was put
it was only heard by a few persons in the Meeting,
and therefore could not be said to be agreed to by
that Meeting. He did not give this from any per-
sonal observation, but he had it from those who were
present, and who protested against the Lord Mayor's
decision that the Petition was carried by a majority.
Mr. ASTELL said that as the person alluded to
by the Hon. Baronet, as having signed a Loyal De-
claration fifteen months ago, and having been also
a requisitionist for the convening of the late Meeting
at the Egyptian Hall, he hoped he would be allowed
to say a few words against the charge of inconsi,t-
ency then brought forward •ugainst him. Without
dwelling upon the obvious circumstance that his in-
consistency was totally irrelevant to the qaestion
before the House, he would be permitted-to say, that
admitting that his conduct was inconsistent, yet I
surely a man might not refuse to be influenced by
new light, which time and circumstances might de-:,
velope? It was true he had attended a Private Meet-
ing fifteen months ago, at Grocers' Hall, for the
purpose of expressing satisfaction at the passing of
the Bills then under the consideration of Parliament.
But these Bills having passed, he did not see why
Private Meetings should be any longer encouraged,
as there was no longer any reason to be afraid of'
that which alone could justify Private Meetings—
namely, the prObability of interruption from persons'
who bad no right to be present. Now, be would'
say, that the Meeting at the Egyptian Hall would
have been perfectly quiet, but for the Hon. Baronets
friends. He had a great motive for wishing to pro-
mote that Meeting, because the Loyal Declaration
was affected to be the Declaration of the Merchants,
Bankers, Traders, &c. of the City of London. 'lt
was incumbent, therefore, on those who did not yield
in loyalty to the declarationists, to come forward and
state what, in their opinions, was the true cause of
all the agitation in which the country was involved,
and of the dangers that threatened the Monarchs..
Tbis opinion was expressed in the Petition agreed to
at that Meeting, which, until the interruption on the
part of. certain of the Him. Baronet's friends, was as
moderate and temperate as he had ever seen. In
lahe prayer 4nd sentiments of that Petition he most
cordially united, and trusted that it would make a
due impression on the feelingi of the House.
Lord MILTON was sorry to hear the lion. Baronet
I declare his opinion, that henceforth it was not be
expected that the real sentiments of the Merchants
and Traders of the City of London, upon any -ques-
tion which agitated their feelings, could be collected
at a Public Meeting. But the Worthy Baronet had
let the cat out of the bag. The worthy Baronet com-
plained of the moderation of the Loyal Address, fur
be thought that, in these times, his Majesty ought to
be cheered up, and added his opinion of the neces-
sity of approving the measures of Ministers._ Now
it must surely be gratifying to his Majesty to •find,
that when some men talked of cheering his Majesty
up, they.** Meant that Ministers should be sup-
ported •in their measures. HOsiever, in his (Lord
Milton's) opinion, nothing coulcibe more oppu`site
thanssupporting his Majesty and approving the mea-1
sures-Of 'Ministers: • .
• Mr. WELLS defended those who signed the Loyal -1
Declaration, of which number he was One. This
Declaration was as much a Dcclaxition of the scuti.

meats of those who signed it, a's if it had
to at a Public Meeting ; and, indeed, so far from
being a Private Meeting, the door was open to
one, and no one was prevented entering who.
whilst at the Mansion House distinctions
He went to that Meeting, and was questioned,.
you a Requisitionist?" and, on his answeriox •
negative, he was refused admission to the
it was not until he stated himself to be
to the object of the Meeting, that he was,
,gain admission.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, his worthy,
the Hon. Baronet, was not exclud!J, for he .4
conspicuous situation, in the very front of the
ings, for half an hour before the Lord Mar
the Chair. With respect to the decision on'
tion, he was convinced it was carried by
of five to one. He was also certain that the
Mayor was anxious to accommodate every oft.'
whatever party he might be ; and as to the •
clamour which prevailed on the Mtn.
'seining himself, he would ask the Don. !
they he was not himself the occasion of it? at
ther the clamours of his friends and those
mies would not produce the same effect at any
Meeting in London ?
Mr. BARING said, the friends of the "
Baronet were those who had caused the,
and so far had they carried their efforts, ti„i/
even prevented the Hon. Baronet hits se,
He believed, but for this circumstai ce. the
would have passed off quietly and orderly.
plained that the Loyal Declaration, a, it wa
had been placarded about the streets, as
tion of the Merchants, Bankers, and Tradet•
don; not distinguishiiiitit as the Declaration,
"undersigned." Thi caused the Meeting at P'
sien House. Another inducement to that ,
was', that those who called the Mansion Howe
ing, differed from some of the sentiments •
in the Declaration. He also, for one,
Petition to the House, rather than going up
Throne, with a Declaration personal to •
hiniself. The Declaration talked of sedition
ligion prevailing in the Metropolis. He corn
such feeling existed in the Metropolis. The ,
made at the Spa-fields and Smithfield Meetint
ocular demonstration of the loyalty of the
the Metropolis: if anything could injure the
of the People of London, it would be the ,
Ministers, in dragging the King and the Rot,
mily through the mire, as they had done. To
proceedings, it was to be imputed, that
could not now pass through any town, or
change horses, without being subjected to it
Isiah, not originating in any want of respect
the Iloyal Family, but intended to convey
censure on the conduct and measures of Ministers
Mr. T. WILSON was sorry to say a word
nnplea.sant subject. (The Honourable
was not sufficiently heard, and that occa, •.. ed•
of Speak oat!) He repelled the charge of r,
tion among the respectable persons who ate
Meeting. The Requisitionists did not cottfit
selves to the objects of the Meeting, but
casting reflections on the Gentlemen a ho !-
the original Declaration. He regretted the
ance that occurred at the Meeting; but :
allow that it was alone produced by the
tionists. Neither could he allow that the l'e,
the Requisitionists represented the sense of the
chants and Bankers, since. the Declaration had
signed by upwards of 4,000 pet•sotls.
Mr. PHILLIPS designated the Meeting as
disorderly on the part of the Deciaratnoui.t>r
were hissing and hooting; and at the saute Or
ing that no Meeting could be held in the ('in
this, where no discussion could be had.
the conduct of the lovers' of order and the.
Loyalists. It was impossible not to have seat
there was a preconcerted plan to create cottflisius
this Meeting ;.but notwithstanding, the
were carried by a majority of three to one. •
• The Petitioniwas then brought up, read,
to be laid on the table, and to he printed.
• •-•• Mr. J: SMITH had. th eligliesa• respect for dt
darationists, and they had a right to their oaf
nions ; but they had no right to interfere
opinions of others. He believed-the-only wiy
store this country to tranquillity would be y
her Majesty's name in the Liturgy, and to •
that had been. done.

Sir ROBERT HERON Ise had given
of a motion to that effect ; but ache would.wis
have all the weight of his Honourable Friend's to
.
and influence, he would withdraw his
• Mr. J. SMITH give notice, that he
the insertion of the Queen's name in the
the 13th instant.

LIRE!. ON THE HOI7SE.
Sir J. NEWPORT moved a Resolution, thax
Address of the Presbytery of Langholm to his DIP
jesty, was a gross breach of privilege ; but Ault s
an official admission of its impropriety had beta anA
the House did not think itself called upon totals
farther notice of the same.
Mr. HUME wished to know if this Note couldist
be inserted in the Gazette also?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUERII"I:
that would be adding one irregularity to arbotlsm
The Resolutions were then agreed to nem. COX•
BANK OF IRELAND.
GRENFELL complained of the Bank 01100.
land refusing as deposits the lawful coin of the refill
The CHANCELLOR of the EX.CHEQUERceeII
say nothing on the sub;ect in the absence of theitigli
Honourable Gentleman (Nlr.C.Grant); hut he nest
heard of any Bank refusin3 paymkts in the carrilli
coin when offered.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, his Honourable F'
did not complain that the Bank of Ireland wouldeet,
receive payment in specie, but that they "41:
receive the current coin of the realm in deposit.
deprecated that species of Govei lament within aU".
vernmen.t, which prevented the Right Hon.Gentleuvi
from being acquainted with the Bank of Ireiand.
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it was no part of his duty to enquire into the isivall
transactions of the Wok of Ireland.
with&
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Bank of Irela.nd to refuse discounting the bi"•,,
merchants, who paid their bills in sovereigns. 1:
contended, that as .public and chartered iwAyr"
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h,r--.done away ith altogether:
A BARING contended, that this was one of
gr. •
ibe most important subjects which Government could
i9q▪ . aire into. The Bank of Ireland became in the-state
dal inoperative Bank, if it did•not eeceive'deposits•
cowl-
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-15, but the Banks of England and Ireland were.
at a loss to know why the Bank of Ireland
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friined to issue its paper upon deposits of the coin of
Me ra• lm In every point of view, this was a sub-
t ,„,• which greatly required being inquired into. He,
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was not so very anxious to return entirely to cash
payments; but, like the Member for Portarlington
elr.Ricardo) he wished for a well-regulated paper car-
e :aition. That would alleviate matert.illy the pressure
that would arise from a sudden return to payments
cash. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer
wou Id inquii e into the conduct of the Bank of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
.leveuld take the very earliest opportunity to do so;
' aad would communicate the result of his inquiries
peg House. Like the Hon. Gentleman, he had no
ptons• of what advantage it could be to the Bank of,
Ireland to refuse deposits in coin.
Mr. RICARDO said, that if the Bank of Ireland
led received deposits in specie, and made larger is-
; aloof their paper, the bullion would soon be at a
premium. He knew that the large purchases made
by the Hank of gold increased the price of that article
; greatly, as compared with silver; and he hoped that
the present System would be made permanent, in
order that there might be no fluctuation in the price
' of gold, as it would gradually decrease if the present
system were made permanent.
NAVY.
-TheHotise then went into a Committee of Supply.
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that in the Navy
Estimates there was a sum of £116,000 below those
tithe last year. There was a diminution in seamen
of 1,000, the Marines being the same as last year.—
Thee was also a decrease in the price of provisions.
lle then moved that 22,000 men be employed for the
Sea service, including 8,000 Marines.
Mr.CREEVEY saw no Estimate on the table, and,
I therefore, he would riot vote a single farthing of the
public money ; but should move that die Chairman
should repoit progress.
Sir G. WARRENDER said the votes he had pro-,
posed related merely to the fleet afloat; and it was
we &cording to Pariiainentary usage to lay any
Eitiii.a,e, except for the Civil List of the Navy. The
whose system would remain behind to be discussed.
Mr. s;REEVEY said it was high time this old
rake w a got rid of, as he was of opinion that all
ou defiau ties had arisen from voting money without
Estimates. He, therefore, moved, that the Chairman
should report progress and ask leave to sit again.
Mr. HUME reprobated this reduction in the sea-
men, and recooimended a greater diminution in the
number of marines. If it were necessary to man our
imi.ease fleet,. it would be found almost impossible.
He hoped there would be a reduction in the civil ser-
vice of the Navy, among the useless Lords of the Ad-
miralty and Commissioners at the Dock-yards. He
concurred iii the Amendment.
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that all the Naval
Men in and out of the House thought it of the greatest
service to increase the corps of Royal Marines.
Mr. H..BENNETT thought it a very good ques-
tion to discuss the subject of Royal Marines when.
they had the Estimates on the table; and until they
were, he would not agree to vote the public money.
He hoped the Public would inquire into the farces
of these Committees of Supply : and he could tell the
Right• Hon. Gentleman„that he should not have a
farthing of the public money without an,Estimate,
during.the Session, nor-without a division on each, if
the Session lasted till October:
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
Estimates had never been usual as to the number of
Seamen.
Mr.-MARRIAT said, this Vote was required to
victual and pay .the Seamen.
Mr. BENNETT said, this was a Vote for the whole
year, which he would not agree to ; but he would
give a Vote for a month.
Admiral HARVEY believed that it was a general
opinion that there should be a greater proportion of
old and seasoned Marines on the opening of a war.
Sir G. COCKBUItN said, that at the beginning of
last war they were obliged to take a numfer of sol-
diers, unaccustomed to the sea. service, which created
confusion and jealousy. The marines half manned
the ships before they could get seamen at the com-
mencement, of a war.
Sir F. OMMANNEY thought that, if the marines
I were employed in the Dock-yards instead of regular
soldiers, there might be a considerable reduction in
the Army.
Mr. TREMAYNE hoped there would be a reduc-
▪ tion in the Civil Establishment, in the Navy, in the
Army, .Ordnance, &c.
Sir-G. WARRENDER said, that when the Esti-
' mates should be presented, he would have to propose
considerable reductions in the Civil Establishment.—
g Sailors could be obtained from the merchant service,
bat marines required to be disciplined before an effi-
eientsfleet could be fitted out.
hlr. HIIRST said, the marines bad, in all our naval
Wars, distiagiiished themselves in a most particular
manner. lie should vote for the proposed number,
O relying, that Estimates would be produced.
Mr. FORBES regretted that there was to be a re-
duction in the seamen ; while he hoped to see a re-
Auction in the two Land Lords of the Admiralty.
✓ The seamen had been driven to starvation in the
streets, or forced to America and other countries.
Flu tommerce of this country was not worth fol-
d
Sowing! No ship put to sea, but she returned at an
C immense loss. •
re Sir WARRENDER said, so far were the seal.'
Illelanan being sent adrift to starve, that $5,000 men
*tie made out at the end of the war.
▪ aIr.tiLADSTONE knew no difficulty in man;
'ling his ships; in his opinion there was no want of
resnien, and the commerce had increased ; for now
0 rbe trade with the Brazils had sprung up, which was
die second gt eate,t market for our commodities.
Dr. LUSHINGION saw nothing on which they
if UAW
_moire to this vote, except on the statement of
Paord 4* the Admiralty. This was a practice, in
or4pliaota.,m34te. h..noured in.thetreach than the
P b'e'ta:" L:o •
asivau always say', `that nothing
ever warrant impressment except a great and
P Vnligma necessity ; and he thought it the duty of

• • .. • •
the Government to find some other mode of manning
our Navy, than breaking unfortunate being s from their
wives, families, and natural employments. He way'
not enthusiastic enough to think that this practice•
could be all at once got rid of; and that the Adviser
of the Crown who would recommend the getting rid
of such a plan, would do himself-immortal honour.
Sir G. COCKBURN said they had endeavoured
to amend this evil, by giving pensions to the men, in.
order to secure their return to them in case of a war
breaking out; but he believed that at the commence-
mement of a war they must have the power to take
men by force, if wanted for a large armament.
Mr.CREEVEY replied, and repeated that he could
not understand the vote until he had an Estimate.

The Committee then divided--For the Resolution,
56—Against it, 11—Majority, 55.
The House divided on each Resolution. The Re-
solutions were all carried ; and the report of them
ordered to be received on Monday.
Mr. CREEVEY said, that while the Speaker was
out, they had voted away £1,900,000, by 55 tMem •
bens out of 655. He knew no more than the man
in the moon what they had been voting upon. He
was determined to try and make an alteration in
these proceedings ; and if the People did not petition,
they would deserve all they got.
Mr. B. BATHU It sr said, this was not a new system
of attack ; for about 20 years ago au Hon. Gentleman,
now no more, and another who, he believed, was still

living, had made this mode of attack their constant
practice. Neither had the Hon. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Creevey) the merit of the invention of it.
Mr. H. G. BENNETT here said, he thought it use-
.less to sit longer in so thin a House, an& moved that
it should be counted when there being only 26
Members present, the House adjourned at ten o'clock.

MEETING OF THE COUNTY OF SURREY.

Yesterday, a Meeting of the Nobility, Gentry,
Clergy, and Freeholders of the County of Surrey,
was held at the Spread Eagle Inn, Epsom, pursuant
to a Requisition to the limn SHERIFF, "to take into
consideration the propriety of Petitioning the two
Houses of Parliament to adopt such measures as will
prevent all further proceedings against the QUERN,
secure the Country against the revival of discussions
injurious to the morals, and painful to the feelings
of the People, and thereby enable the great Council
of the Nation to attend to the various and important
'questions of foreign and domestic policy, which, in
the present distressed state of the Country, urgently
call for the immediate consideration of Parliament."

The day was uncommonly fine, and before noon,
horsemen, stage-coaches, post-chaises, and private car-
riages were entering the town in every direction.
The High Sheriff, HUTCHES THOWER, Esq. ac-
companied by the Under Sheriff, arrived about
twelve o'clock: soon after the doors were thrown
open, and the Assembly-room, in which the Meeting
should have been held, was filled in a moment.

Among the company were—Lord KING, the Hon.
GREY BENNETT, M.P. Lord STANLEY, Lord ELLEN-
BOROUGII, SIT W. DE CRESPIGNY, Itil.P. Mr. BAR-
CLAY, Mr. DENISON, M.P. Mr. M'DoNALD,
Mr. HOLME SUMNER, M.P. Lord DUNCANNON, Lord
ALTHORP, Sir TuommAs TURTON, Mr. SHARP,
MABERLY, with many other persons of considera-
tion ; and there was not an individual present who
was not a freeholder of the county.
It was soon found that the room, although large,
could contain but a small proportion of the persons
assembled; and cries of " Adjourn, adjourn, the
room is unsafe," arose from all quarters.

The HIGH SHERIFF, after stating, with admirable
good temper, the inconveniences which might result
from an adjournment tote open air, such as the
possible inclemency of the weather, and a probable
failure of light before the business could be concluded,
declared that he was at the command of the assembly.

Adjournment was then unanimously agreed upon ;
and three waggons were quickly drawn into the area
immediately in front of the inn. Into these vehicles
the principal speakers conveyed themselves; a num-
ber of carriages, filled and covered with company,
were drawn up in a parallel line about 30 paces in
front, and in the intermediate space appeared a com-
pact solid mass of individuals on foot and horse-
back, two-thirds of whom were freeholders, and at
least five-sixths respectable well-dressed persons.—
The windows of the houses on the three sides of the
area were crowded with Ladies. The most admir-
able order pervaded every part of the Meeting ; and
the general scene presented a 'coup-ded equal at all
points, and in many superior, to anything ever wit-
nessed upon similar occasions.
The Hum Su MUFF having read the Requisition
upon which, as he said, the Meeting had been con-
vened, declined, by any lengthy address, to consume
the time devoted to discussion. No doubt, many of
the Gentlemen who had signed the Requisition
would have matter to offer to the assembly, and from
his situation, (the worthy Sheriff continued), it was
rather his duty to hear the opinions of others than to
make a public profession of his own—(Loud cheers).
Whatever his private feelings might be as to the
matters referred to in the Requisition, he had thought
it an imperative duty to comply with the desire of
the numerous and respectable body of Freeholdets
by which he had been addressed; and he was too
sensible of the importance of constitutional Meetings
to be desirous of abusing his authority in attempting
to prevent them—(Loud applause). In order, how-
ever, that such Meetings should be useful, nay, in
order that they should not be mischievous, they must
be conducted peaceably and with attention to order ;
and he trusted that in his endeavours to that end he
should meet, not only with the concurrence but with
the Support of every man present—(" You shall, you
shall.") The worthy Sheriff, after recommending
moderation to speakers on either site, and advising
that each side should grant the same liberty of speech
to his fellow which under similar circumstances be
would be inclined to claim for himself, read the fol-
lowing letter fiom a Noble Lord unable to attend
CLawoott, Jas. 51, 1831.
" My %Uzi& Sta—An asthma, of many years' standing, and
particularly distressing to me at this season of the year, pre-
cludes a possibility,of my attending a Public Meeting, or en-
countering anything in the shape of a crowd. Under the pres-
sure of this malady, I have never been once at a Debate in the
House of Lords since I have been a Member of that Assembly.
Tnis is the first topic of political controversy that has roused me
into sufficient energy to be desirous of emerging from that re-
tirement to which my indisposition has subjected gnu ' At the
present juncatre, I severely regret my incapacity to state in per-
son to my brother freeholders my views (which, I Mat, will be

tend to wind& with a tame majority of the Meeting) of the
great question which has solely alaorbed the attention of the
Public, and convulses the whole Empire from one extremity to
the other. The unhappy proceedings to which I allude have
called forth simultaneous declarations in various districts in the
Kingdom; and I am glad to be resident in one which has
thought fit. to take these in,aters into consideration. I truly la-
ment my inability to lend my feeble assistance in promoting the
objects stated in the Requisition ; entertaining at the same time
a confident expectation that the cause will not suffer by my ab-
sence; and that there are many who will ably state their opi-
nions on the great questions which so deeply interest the country
in this crisis of its affairs.—l am, dear Sir, faithfully yours
" To the High Sheriff of Surrey. " oNsr.co:v.-
The HIGH SHERIFF concluded, by reminding the
Meeting that, by adjourning to the open air, they
had placed themselves within the limit of a late Act
of Parliament, to which, however, he was certain
them would be no necessity to recur.
Lord KING said, he was one of the Freeholders
upon whose requisition the Meeting had been called,
and he came, in company with those Freeholders, at
a time when distress and difficulty deeply agitated
the country, to discharge a duty which he owed to
the Public, by declaiing his opinion upon two ques-
tions of importance.. The first question which it
would be the duty of that Meeting to consider was,
the severe distress under which the country laboured ;
the second, the unexampled injustice which had been,
and was still exercised towards the Queen. It was
the misfortune of the Noble Lord, and of the Meet-
ing, to live in times of great difficulty, in times
which called for great sacrifices on the part of the
People, and which ought to be met by equal sacri-
fices on the part of the Government. The sacrifices
of the People had set a noble example; how that ex-
ample had been followed by the Government, a brief
retrospect would enable the assembly to decide.—
Every attempt to get rid of a useless Officer, whether
it were a young Lord of the Admiralty doing duty
in the House of Commons, or a Scotch Baron doing
no duty at all; or a War Secretary taking a salary
in time of peace; every such attempt had been re-
sisted by Ministers; and resisted for this plain rea-
son—that reduction of expenditure was reduction of
their patronage.
Mr. TROTTIUIt submitted to the High Sheriff, whe-
ther any part of the Noble Lord's speech applied to
the matters contained in the Requisition ? (Clamour,
and cries of Go on, go on!).
The HIGII SHERIFF, to prevent future interrup-
tion, would lay down, at once, the principle upon
which, as he thought, the Meeting ought to be con-
ducted. He thought that in the proceedings of the
Meeting, the addresses of speakers, as well as the
Resolutions proposed, ought to he characterized by
the spirit, rather than limited to the letter, of the Re-
quisition—( Universal applause).
Lord KING contended, that he had been perfectly
in order. He repeated, that Ministers opposed the
reduction of every useless office; and he would far-
ther add, that they had, only last year, voted to the
King a Civil List of amount three times greater than
ever had been granted to his Majesty George H. He
had said that the present times were times of painful,
of extraordinary distress. Had those distresses been
honestly, fully, and fairly met by the Government of
the Country? They had not been so met; and for
this cause—honest investigation must lead to eco-
nomy ; economy alone, joined to a government of
kindness and conciliation, not of abuse and of coer-
cion, could relieve and save the nation ; bat economy
and conciliation were equally (by Ministers) detested
and evaded. What had Ministers done to benefit the
country ? How had they been employing their time?
In collecting that mass of evidence with which the
country had been disgusted —( Cheers ).—ln giving
up (the Noble Lord verily believed) their own opi-
nions, in order to keep the places which they were
so ill qualified to fill—(Shouts of applause).—The Fo-
reign Secretary had been busied, and the secret ser-
vice money, according to the confession of that Se-
cretary himself, expended, in procuring the unbiassed
testimony of Italian witnesses ?—( Loud Cheers.)—
It had been better that the attention of that Minister
had been devoted to the affairs of the Continent—to
a mediation between(Naples and the Powers that
were attempting to oppress her. Time had been when
England would not have viewed with indifference
the oppression of a People who were seeking to
amend their Constitution ; but those times were prior
to the existence of a Holy Alliance, affecting to main-
tain peace and order in Europe; but, in reality,
meant to repress and prevent every attempt at
provement. Bet the time of the Meeting was pre-
cious, and the Noble Lord would now come to the
second question—the treatment of the Queen. The
Country had been told, and the Meeting would pro-
bably be told by one of their Representatives (Mr.
Holme Sumner), that ,discussion was unnecessary, be-
' cause Ministers had already avowed their intention
that no further proceedings should be taken against
C her Majesty. True; further proceedings were found
I rather inexpedient, and therefore measures of punish-
iment only were to be resorted to. The Noble Lord
said, " measures of punishment !" The exclusion of
her Majesty's name from the Liturgy was a punish-
ment ; and this was the course taken by the Gentle-
men who said that her Majesty was " technically"
innocent ; meaning, the Noble Lord supposed, that
she was really guilty. But until law found her
(guilty, law declared her innocent; that was the
language of the law of England, though not,
perhaps, the language of the Court of England.
The very last act of the House of Commons, with
respect to the Queen, was worthy the attention of
the Meeting. Excluding her name from the Liturgy,
they voted £50,000 a-year for her allowance! How
did her Majesty act? She refused the grant under
such circumstances offered to her. She said, "I will
not take £50,000 a-year, unless you do that which is
due to my reputation and to my honour." She re-
fused these grants as she refused the bribe at St.
Omer's ; and she deserved the support of the country
for her spirit—(Cries of " She has it").--in conclusion
the Noble Lord would remind the Meeting, that so
long as this unhappy subject occupied the attention
of Parliament, so long the business of the country
must be neglected. The question could never be
ended but by the restoration of the Queen to her,
rights and privileges. The voice of the People was
decidedly in her favour; and that voice, if-expressed
moderately, firmly, and Constitutionally, must at last
be heard. The Noble Lord, after thanking the as-
sembly, amid loud huzzas, for their attention, and
expressing a hope that a Meeting so truly respectable
would• not, like the Hampshire Meeting, be designated
"a farce," ended by moving a series of Resolutions.
Mr. Evat.Yu seconded the motion.

Mr. Taorrra thought that the speech of the
Noble Lord (King) had been altogether irrelevant.
The guilt or innocence of the Queen was not a ques-
tion for the Mee.iag—(Laughter). The Hon. Gen-
tleman concluded an Address, which was almost
inaudible, through the 'ills approbation with which it
was received, by moving, as an Amendment, that this
Meeting do now adjourn.
Lord ELLIENBORouGH was a stranger to the Meet-
ing, and likely, he feared, to differ an opinion from
most of the persons who composed it: he .would,
however honestly and publicly, dissent from their
Resolutions, and not at a distance, and in secret, pro-
test against them. From the character of, the indi-
viduals whom he was addre;sing, his Lordship anti-

cipated silence, if not attention, to whatever Senti-
ments he might express. Whatever might be said as
to the necessity of Parliamentary Reform, it was well

known to the country, that, where the mass of the

People firmly expressed an opinion, that opinion was
heard and attended to by the Legidature--(Cries of
No, no!) No person present more fully appreciated
than he did the distresses of the country ; no one was
more anxious that Parliament should give to those
distresses, and to the means of relieving them, a full,
free, and undivided attention—(Hear,hear). 13* he
put it fairly to the,Meeting, whether they could hope,
by the Resolutions they had proposed, to direct the
attention of Parliament to that most desirable ob-

ject?—(Yes.) Many, indee4, had been the causes
assigned for the national distress, and many the re-
medies proposed for its alleviation ; but he had never
before heard that the Queen's name being out of the
Liturgy had produced that distress, nor that the rer
placing of her name there would be a probable means
of !moving it!—(Hissing and laughter.) It was by
arguments, and not by noise, that he (the Noble
Lord) must be put down. Were there any Farmers
. .

present?—(Cries of Yes!) Then, would the Finning
the Queen's name into the Liturgy enable them to
pay their rents?—(Cries of Nonsense!) Were there
any Manufacturers in the assembly ?—( Yes!) Would
the putting the Queen's name in the Liturgy enable
them to increase their trade?—(Loud disapprobation).
The HIGH SHERIFF entreated silence.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH proceeded.—Was it legal or
illegal to exclude her Majesty's name from the Li-
turgy?—(lllegall).—lf so, was the present moment
peculiarly well calculated for the discussion of a dry
point of law ; or would the opinion of the Meeting
have any weight with the Legislature ?—( Hisses).
If, on the other hand, the exclusion were legal, then
the insertion was a matter of favour. All he asked
was, that the King should be treated as any private
' Gentleman might claim to be treated ; and no Gen-
tleman, under such circumstances, would endure to

be called upon for an act of favour—(Cries of " An
act of justice!").—lf any doubt remained as to the
real object of the Resolutions now proposed to the
Meeting, it was removed by the speech of the Noble
Lord (King) who addressed them in the outset. They
all knew that his Majesty's Ministers had advised the
omission of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy,
and also that they had declared that they could not
consistently with their duty advise the restoration of
that name, and it was known therefore that the re-
insertion of the name would be attended with the loss
of their places—( Hear, hear! and some disapprobation.
A person in the crowd—" That's coming to the point!").
Lot d Ellenborough continued :—A Gentleman had
said that was conning to the point. He believed it
was coming to the point : it was a point which would
be most desirable to many who heard him, and he
thought that nothing would conduce more to the
gratification of numbers in the Meeting than a change
of Ministers, without any regard whatever to the in-
terests of the Queen—( Hear ! and disapprobation. A
Gentleman called out" Truth !").—Lord Ellenborough
replied, " You shall have it, Sir, and in strong terms
too."—lf this, then, as he believed it to be, was the
object of the Gentlemen who were instrumental in
getting forward this Meeting, why not come to it in
a brave and manly manner, and call a Meeting for
an impeachment of Ministers at once a He had no
doubt that their worthy High Sheriff would have
no objection to call a Meeting, if a proper Requi-
sition were sent to him; and he was convinced that
he would, on that and every occasion, act with the
same strictness and honourable impartiality which
he evinced on the present occasion—(Hear, hear),
His great objection to the present mode of proceed-
ing was, that instead of going on to the question in
a fair and manly manner, the same effect was endea•
voured to he produced by a side wind, lf, however,
the sense of the County should be against the opi-
nions which he held on this subject, and that the Re-
solutions should be agreed to, and a Petition founded
on them be presented to the Houses of Parliament,
he would, in his place, bear testimony to the great
respectability and most orderly conduct of the Meet-
ing, and to the patient attention which they gave to
every individual who presented himself; and that,
whatever might have been the case in other places,
this Meeting was not a farce ; on the contrary, that it
was a fair repre.ientation of the county.
The Hon. H. G. BENNETT next addressed the
Meeting. lie was gratified at finding a Meeting so
respectable and orderly as the present, and he should
have been disappointed at finding it otherwise, for
he did not know that there existed in any part of the
country a more honest, independent, and sound-
hearted set of men than the Freeholders of the
County of Surrey. The Noble Lord (Ellenborough)
had said that the proposed Resolutions would not
have effect. He differed from the Noble Lord on
this point. lie thought the sentiments of the County
would have effect, and though their Petition might
be laughed at by the House of Commons, cr treated
by them with neglect for the present, yet he hoped
to see the day when a different system would be pur-
sued—when a system which flourished by the plun-
der and oppression of the people would be no longer
continued—(Hear.) The Noble Lord had asked what
good could a Petition founded upon the present Reso-
lutions effect? He would say, that, if at all attended
to, it would bring the Ministers into contempt (hear);
and even on this account he would support it, be-
cause be thought their conduct merited the mai Led
censure of the People. But, said the Noble Lord,
would such a series of Resolutions bring about better.
times? He would say that they were calculated to
do so, if attended to. They implied a gross mis-
management and misdirection on the part of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, under whom, as he toetethied, the
whole system was defective ; and if this opinion were
received, a better system would be adopted—t%e