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(ur, Herriei)b that Man. Ho* far be may consider that
his conduct may affect kis character, his public character
I nran ,f course. it„”itnot, for. me to- inquirer how
fol as if Min 4,44, 4:lll94,o.ltie;hbill_stifilt4:.A his
iiiiinuations against 1.0 thrmet Calleageres,-t leave hies
to form an npinwn, fe•em what has Ocean ed during this'
-shoe debate oa all rides of -the Hotri.,. Inalt •ißsh Id'
set the Right Hon. Geolleittin, right 'Upon onepttitit;nl'
he appears to me equallyiocapable of understanding
any question which mat be put to him, or of giving
an answer which may' be comprehended clearly. The
• question I put does not relate to that respecting which
'my Hon,wrable and Learnidtriend (Mr. Brougham)
has said that the Right konoerable Gentleman volun-
teered a gratuitous explanation. That related tb4 Colt.'
saltation of persons pot belonging to the GoiernMent.
which I never did iVii, and 111 had. heird of soch a
circumstance I should think 'that this House was not
'the place, and I certainly int:not the person, to put
such a question. What I eally did ati.Vtis, whether'
'the Right Hon. Gentleman concurred in the statement
}made in the ()the: House, where Lord Goderich said
that the Right Hon. Gentleman had at three different
periods varied the grounds of his opposition to the ap-
poiotmentof my Noble Friend (Lord Althorp) as Chair.
man of the finance Coltbittee7Lord Goderichdetlaied
that the Rt. Hon.dentleman at firit said be beano objec-
tion to it ; secondly, that the Rt. HOn.GenFobjetladatill
the 'ground 'of 'an implied slight t but that ht4* 110116 id
hint to have beei ptirrettly iitiafieci 14004014 .ln, 4
that be. (Lod Goderieb) remained, for three weekeens-
vinced.rf the Right Hon.Gentleanan's pertect satisfaction
et what had been done—(ltertr,.heal). -..1t vets Willis,
grounds, and to these only—and site he .v; iftet thete
vitae . sieeti, Abe Right Hon. Gentletitett thißeit'lls
ii,esiida, and thohittr clifferentitiVetions7-that'elnaskei
tor riplinetiOn. lam in the recoil; etion Of the iliiiie;
and certain that I shall be born, out in the correctness
of what I state--tHial`,' hear). • " ,- " •
Mr,' HER RIF'S niticeeded to the ' felloiriint iffeet.=
Tire t/Ohle .ttOrd: stiyi; Wet !.t 'have 'not ilinswilift liii
qiirisaintip with; icipect to dilasiog the. e;pressioo of my
decided opinion as to' the appototment ctf 'tie Noble
Member for Northamptonshire; *obi the .3d 'of De.
amber, when f first heard of that itiretrtlerl'ep yittl:
sisetiiitiobt.,the 21.it.0r PeCettiltY6 itill,ti II '.wrqtt a Li*
sig,
the. 1644 . tri.the soble Ltord. .it ...the lzea ''l the
late Government. Sir, t .deny that-'I hive Withheld any
explanation on that point. - I bhue-alia.aay'sited a hill
and satistactog eiPlan'ation cif" the effuses of the delay
in the expressionlof inyolointiott."`,Thellletble,Loitt skis
that roifita,the gronad.o( my-pi-014-cripes; and, Abet
in my letter of: the *lst 04: Decenber„l assumed that
as eoinfiteted which, in' facta'Waronly in progress. Sir,
I had a tight to'ccbictucre, 'frotill'ill the clitemitander
which oCcurted,,tliat the'engagelotent, with !f4. NOltiti
Member fbr Porthimptonshite. was tantamount ton
completion. The Right Hon. Alember for Muntgratiary;
shire etySitbe saute *thing.: IsTOite, t A natittie it'aniitbb
0111*1,059)1eiiiiiiiOf .:41e gouse. ,that b wt4en rre al. to
them tbeletter trsith. on the.;lst -.of December, I' ad-
dressed
dressed to the tSbleLord at the head otitis fiti.jesty's
Goverhbletit",.l dittthetlt be,
that if,th`at *Melt hi
miletter I as' naiad to b the fielt waif tiiit'ialrati
...n-
-ewer might have immediately heen sent Art undeceive
me. The. 'first 'assumption in my letter was.- that
the engagement with the Noble Member for Worthanip-
tonshire.hadbeen completed; . the_ second,' that it had
been so completed in consequence of certain party con-
siderations; A. stated in my fottner'explenatihaaltiat
those assilinptiOns might have been immediately ttlet
by a denial. Were they denied?. Was I cold that the
engagement was not completed ? Was I told that party
considerations had nothing to do with the questirinV—
No. 1147, more,, What followed distinctly proved:t:hat
at thate.unt.r,,the engagement with the Noble.l4cird was
considered as complete—t Cries of ti No.; no)„—I repeat,
that it did. It is true, that when I asked if the ,bar-
gap had been concluded?. I was . answered ha 'the
negative; but when I asked. if the matter was still
open to .discussicro,. I was ,answered in the negative
a 150..., It was an_ understanding then, of such a nature,
that it was no longer open to discussian.L4Heat, hear!)
Under these circumstances 1 hada right to assume what
I did assume; nor do I see. how it was possible I could
have done otherwise. But see What.an improper colour
is given by_ the . Noble Lord to my letter I The Noble
Lord says, that I determined to state this erroneous as-
sumption,thae lonight.ground on it the destruction of;
the late Government .Was, my letter of a character to
justify the Nn.blepolci:s,assert,on ? Was it not en offer,
made in' ..the tatiest.and most amicable manner, to with-
dravi mytelf from, the Government, tf by SO doing-thei,
Gheerotnetit- -Woritd 'he tithted
.to gd-Oh 344 mote
GOliti?': fl)td'ti4t' iiiadioq tWt:lrial' lain' *iy, Oak .to
overturn' the 10Overnment ? f did nottdeClarethat I!
would resign, because thirdiighttaire tauten' eonsidered
asi.pettilant 'and' intentltinally intbalatlisig: I" If,"'l
oliserved:iii thi-NCidte I:ord to ..tis'hoita ad used say.;
OW. 4`.lf; 4 'POit iils 'My office iitO.oifieritinits you caul
moire satitfactorily execute 'this difficult- measure, you'
May command topmost reattfand'Clieerful resignation
of it; . *I place it tabd t beg it to Iten,ncleretood as being.
done,ih the moat friendlynitumet) entirely at your dis-
posal.''• I Mk the Noble Lord, I ask the Right Hon.'
Member for Monegdmetyshire,'. I • ask linrHonourable
M'ember'in the House, if that *hi 'net a'falt course of
proceeding? Let men Of' Candour of sill parties read
that letter, and then say if it will honestly bear the con,-
struction, which has been put open it—if it will honestly
bear the interpretation of evincing the spirit of a man
whose wish it was to destroy the Government ?—Sir,
the utmost that can be said with justice is, that I myself'
entertained a• wish to leave theGevernment. is that a
great critie ? If a Metibar i(afektbitilnlitiation be so
littletenaciinni 'of the honours,. eta emoluments, and
patronage, and other advantages of office, that in coast-
qoenced(the view attic:loe huitselflaket of that, which
in his opinion, would be most innducive to the public
interne, he wishes to Withdrair fines bitiofficild sitnatitio,
is that to be charged upoi him 'is as ?-4S that
to be Considered as an unequivocal indicatioi Of .4
iiiiPs
position on his part to overturn the Government? . The
, Noble Lord really seems to have forgotten the nature and
I thetettiii"ernil Itetei of the tfd Dec. 16 that letter I first
skated, in the broadest and most distinct manner, what I
conceived to be the existing .state of the tine. "lf, in.
such a letter, II mad deiciibei 'a distinct ealte;ntitt lays,
„Such i!mt itidgitiericl; Oeli OteiMPreisitiduplii,t,tny
mind; 'saclt are the grounds. anon which it it itay, latest-.
tams (b proceed ;" if be do all this, and if it should aplteer
tharttehlft beet wfotsg ie"hlt statement; that' it has,hein'
overchargeil, that hethas assumed what lanot the fact...,
why, pray, oiie tiottcritetet tight deice/ ' Vat Tie
receive nd answer ; if no deniatte 'Made to him, he has:
then un4rtestionablyr 440 k in.believe and to mainitio!
that what he asserted was ctiriect. ' I defy.any Man of;
common understanding 10 draw ahy other conclusion.
from such ptelniset • The 'Right' Hon. Menthe+. for,
Idontgokeryshire asks' int, It it was my intention
.to:
writefny.letter of the OA Ist at Elie kik that 1 war among.,
those iitio ingibined the teturit to th'etabloet of the
Nobletind at the head of the late uovernment?—
lstratiswer is, *24:11,-th-sr-ems:l:tad air intralion
to do .°444elifit.? 1 -.044... 44 I.t . to. bOig4t Pp ,:d6,

with respect both to myself and to the Fin ince Corn-
'duce. But doei it follow that hi-cause I inten led
to do *haters" I might feel it right to do that I
jawnsiedyttiiesign? - I did not resign. • Unduutrtedfy.:l
iderityrdeteiresined to do what f•••innsidered it right tit'
cid, With reference both to myself and to el. Finance
Committee; but why shOuld I assume and anticipate'
alias the Noble Lord at' the held of-the Government
nosed, on his return to Ace, deny the just claims I-
had upon him.? 00 .the cdturarY, I had a right. to be.
Hae, when the Noble Lord came back to office, that'
lie would' adjust ail matters in. disputeVasid intone
others, that in which I was especially' cbncetned.--
feet it be 'considered, - too, that 'the subject •ia ques-
;ion had never been -discussed' bt sureoßeagues in
the Cabinet. It was a subject the Tighe oriskong of
which had never- been considered, except among the
parries whom' I have already mentioned. I think,
therefore, Sir, that it will be readily conceded to me
liy every impaitial man, that the period of the Noble
Lord's return to the Cabinet was not exactlyebat at which
it would have been proper on my part to brOach the
object in the Cabinet; It would hive been manifestly
improper-to do so. It was impossible for me to foresee
that the dissolution of the Government would her the
consequence; nor-do Ito this hour believe that it want.
Oa the 19th of December there was am only no reason
why I should mention in the Cabinet the proposed ap.
1
Ipointment of the Noble Member for Northaniptonshirt,
but itwonla have beeii highly improper in me 'to do sus
it Would hidtled'hii•ee hien an indication that I contern. I
plated die,•ppiiieithig• of the Government. It was Oui
that ItigOnnt, Sir that it never occurred to me to agi-
tate the'stthjett on the (Malabo in-question. 1 was not
caged' upon tolfo- so-; if weaddllatre been very improper
id ilo'sts:'• mulling,
.therefore; at the whole qUestron,.l
trust fhive;sitidled the House that I was justified in
itritarniittfrom• 'Mentioning the subject on the 19tkot
.441hilier, laid' that iii itii 'course whiCh I aftetyrards
wish to overturn
tikibird'iliviii 4.i. actuated by any
• e 'Grivereniait; that that cause had*no tendency to
i
e'rtnen- the-Gottinnient I- and that it tieutually wis
' ritif the'ruif &Wee livettirrning die •Gbieliseinint--:a
fail`di istigTrinii'sisiilii repeat, that I am perfectly
convinced.. -.. • • .
.•• Mr. BROqGflAirt..-Bir, after the' ixtreordinary
iptech *hien •vie laic+ kilt heard' frbus?the Right HO& 1
Gernllgtia% /ptemprt. the,House will be inclined to
pass to the comideratton of. somas other f abiect e for I
am persuaded it must- be perfectly apparent tie mei
Holiotirithle dekithiiti present, thitirtsta The 'Bight-
ftlibiSorSilileGeliffeakie no farthir 'el/Alined& can be
(petttreeciiid..-r ' o iseire the Eight Hon. Gaidernan.that
ed.,"
hot s k Unadvisedly when I talked of his voluna
tiettnjf i- abittint Vlamition. What I stated. was,
e
arid.* fie fe 1 frbniyq le Friend bore me ciaspletelY
out iii 'the' statement, that the Right ,Hon. Gentlemen
directed bit remarks and his answers with reference, We
tOlitnerlirig.thithad
,shed in this HOUse,'hut to whit'
llapiger"ett 'in •ektearn newspaper!, farm 'iihic`h"the
iribillca.Gentiemancilled and selected such passagei
at bi &Ought eutitled'to comment. - • - • • ' "
.t.fawerkleitMANDl explained. • • -," 41 s' .'
' 'Ci
1 4110-JOHN NEWPORT said' he rose; not tb takes:l
part' hrtheionyevaiio'n, but merely to state that the
only-reas''isif fOr Abe Abse4ce of his Right Hon. Friend
the Member for Knaresborough, was severe indhposi•
don, which had been Much mere:rut& by hhßight Hdit.
Frienreattetiditie ors' the Fine Committee.;'
' liiiiraiiisrisiltatiair claim): - ' . ' ! .: • - 1
•... . . .
- - MALT' DUTY AOlc -' I. • • • .
' Mr;PORTMAN observed,•that us the essaversatiou,
appearedliv-huve eleieB, 'be would now revert to the
quettion which
.he -hid E4i befit its commencement,andasklf it wailii the, contemplation of • billfaleseylk,
Government to:propose any alteration in the Midi'
Ditty Act? • - • - • '''• ' .' . ''.'' ' - •
; TheCHANCELLOR of thilLlCHEQUEß,'replltig
stbat'hehif received iet,esentations from a atiMber'sil
Malistex‘objvcting to.thelaw aLit. stood, and request.:
ing-thar theeexpeditucy of altering or repealing it-might
be taken Illy " sirlobs. esnssidetaon. His isnitrier wig,
thitiainenett ' ircilitiessCid! in Alla': Wish, itid that 'Se
would' iniesirgate the :subject, and endeavotir. to ascer-
tain-the value Of their objections. -
A Petition on' dielsetlieet;fresented47l4 roitrittri, is
thett'ordere4 to lie cattle Tab*. e r. I‘. P 7,' ' • .n. •• • • -

i' • • - • TenT 'Aril! dtittritATiott ACT&
Pcfithira -praying teethe al •ff thicTeit and Corporation
tActsovbra presented •by 'Lind Ramessiox, from the Protestant
Dissenters of several place( In von} ire;
.by lir. Wass, from
Gloucester; by Mr..Dgntoisk from Epropi,
,Tooting, Ehmstop?
cia?hatn, Matt Eallynt Hill; by Mr., Waitaturoo„ , from twenty
ells P4o;Cil. bY-DirLUTiiialat fro* 6.ltaittOirtikl Me..
lacehirm,
oanos, from two p
~. ;by hir. r, Urbane, from usiveriby
Ibtr,lamenuarv, from ncoln; by Mr. Dosecescal, (rest Hut.
44; lii ktr,....—...., cheater ;by Mr. Win Ricg,'from
ts_different plaint by . muNDAT,isiik workalieria aid
dues • and the follow's; Petidosia, by Mr. R., Sperris-.ltwii from
rwp4e;t Pslinis twp from Oly,*•Ravisterie,, Cisalfont S.
eter. asonershara,' Swaiiborne,, Waimea, 'Great fdities pa,:
ari.
~ crendoiklckfurd, Stoney Stiattied4 Harreld, lb►w Bri ;
' tons StOke.toldilltAcii Hilk WISOMb!, W
Lint_
_ii!**lif , r.e_rulT,
ord, Great Norwood, North Crawley, Great alfies. Vl,7' f'
itani,Yardivy.Hastingsiand_Lavendon. *
• Sir H. PARRlLl,Lsostponed to Tbursday, • nib, *ja:ii4.:Acs;
inotiou for the production O( the Treaty of Limerick, , ....'1
Sir D. pARki ELL priiented a Petition treat ere ROMaila.
tbolics of Itathenoley; praying for Einancipation. , , ._
~,
Major ,PEEL presented a Petition from. the Maltsteeief OW
City and County of Norwich, praying for. die Repeal of Me,. litak
Duty Act.
The SOLICITOR .GENEE44 moved for certain Retums,4l, .
lative'tsi dienumber of Cases before the Cbaneecy 'Ed Vice_ bhp.
i cry Cetus, and before the Master if the Roes.—Orderod ioiliet
produced. ' . • , .. .
DPI ruitxrmoittkigio rgi 5446 Itcaiii. ifiaia *
i*l
Ecclesiastical Courteorrueuered, to be ors/dared. . ,
. Colonel DAVIES presented a Petition from die ididtsteri of i
:ffmcester, praying for A; alteration in the Laws relining to Idalt., ,
..:. .POLLING AX it.aotlON.s.
Colonel DAVIES rows-to muse for leave to-bring in;
el Bill to regulete the:nrode of taking the Peril-at. Eiee;.
dons for Cities afid•Boroughil • Experience had proved!
heist nedusiai.kii Irits't6 Make' some afteritinn. 'ln' tile-
preieni state orthelaii, and nobody questioned the fact
that the existing system was pregnant with inconvenience
to all ponies. • The object of the Bilk he' tris'igrOutto
intibduti Wotild bents extendtbefiellitfii of Voting by.
idifirbaiiini the -number of places for inking the poll; and:.
'by limiting the time of polling. -At present every-elect
don presented 'a scerieldf-licentiounieseand riot.' Ille.
Oki& Wit Ids° 'kik/tate of immeniiispettse i'intt by'
.
Oe'iliiknation of hiiiiness,. and the inievintitioti Will:
Liffaits of trade, the lots was greatly increased. He
`ietpated no-opposition, and sttduld at pekent'confine;
Wisetfierbh hosier!' icirleatre to tang ill die Bill.:'
1 ' Mr. ROBlNSON.tritited that 'the abusit Which thtil
' BM. was intended ti remove might be suppressed, burg
.in suppressing than; he hoped no abridgment would bd'
?Ode of the- right! 'and privilege! df-Electkini. The
6'isid' 818 'woad-anted too mit& the tithe of taking:
the kit. - • ,
. , ...
' ' Lord LOWTHER. thought irrisiceinarrrw have w-
nein:Wet cif 'booths and polling places 0(1%1'0 tOtivdi;.. to'
afotd4he a,c9isis to the hustings being blocked up by thof
adverse parties. - He should look with jealousy to the
Rrogrets of the Bill, as it did-not - afford -intEcient tin*'
to bu r.votes.froin Landon to distant places: " • -
' ':GIB. BATLEY' thought that the 'evils 'of Elections,
arose much from, the protracted period of polling. In
the • place ,he had the' honour to represent, • fffteeu bun-

•,•
deed 'persons Voted in rue 44. At Weymouth, where
there were only two hundred voters, the Election fasted
ten days. He thought six days quite,suffieient for any
• „ .
W: S' that illeekisting iiCcaitveniences
were allowed on all hands; and-hi thought that in the
preSiiit'stagtit was unnecessary to go into details. By
shortening the period, and lessening the expenses.of
Electicifis, the Honse'would "bil enlarging and pot re-
attaining-the elective fraitichise.
Mr. KYLE. had CO objection. to shorten the time of
the Elections, brit be thought the multiplying of booths
letould be penning
.the people up like sheep, and prevent
their.havingau oppOrtunity of expressing themselves
freely and with effect..
iti.BARINEI thought' it Would be •but fair-to sie
the sill before discussing the subject.' Six days were
not.silEcient for tte poll. Varieties of booths implied
'an increased number of:Conine! and-Polling Clerks, and
a Rental increase of expellees.
Mr. MABERLY thought the limey 'objection might
We avoided, by letting alldisputed votes be adjourned.
1111,r:Sectetaly PEEL would not object to the Bill,
but he thought a' preferable plan would -be, to apply
the principle,. by way of experiment, to some large and
populous. phi& ,where the rights of voting wereexten-
sive and complex. The House would then see what, the
effects of limitation would be, The City of Norwich
was an example of the efrect of limiting an Election as
to time. An experiment,`Ath as he alluded to, would
be much better than any eirrisMent 4 priori. .
The ATTOENEY-GENERxL thought that in some
• place's the Bill-sitatild be ifaeliam beneficial. It would,
in'soMe fly s, tend
_Wineries; expenses.
145 L said, that the city of Norwich these,
t. Z::
were '6OO out. era. of 'which zOO were brought from lAndon,
and yet the denim lasted only one day.•
- After a tev• words from- Mr. Moiloc and Colonel
Davis,, and from Mr. Frain, in szelseaties, the motion was put
Ind carried... • • • i;:et ,;!)

;IBILLS AND PROMISSORY MOTZILIK MOAN% ( , •
Mr. MOORE moved for leave .to•bring ina Bill ,to
repeal the ;aiming laws relating to Bills of Exchange and Pads
eery Notes In Iteland.
`' - ' 4 '. '- • ' seueetr ISOCIItTIaS. •
Mr. COURTENAY gave notice of a motion for
leavetabringini Bill to Consolidate and Amend the
Laws relating to Filenelli Societies. '
Mr. HUME said, that great anxiety prevailidirperi
the subjett anseirgst those Chistei •tharwere interested
in setts °Societies. It was thought that the Honourable
MeMber'ititeaded re ' tate .'ittidyilie existing pOtiree'sf
the Sotietieetd appoint' their otell Tkeisdret and'dthei
officers. • •-: ,- . , .. . 1.. ! :.:1.:,... '.l
' Mr. COURTENAY said; it Might beitifficiedt at pre-
senuto say, that the Bill would not hi any degree greet
the •Sotieties already formed, otherwise than they were
affected by the Act of 1809; nor would the Bill haterfere
.with thegentral tight tif-ippointing olffeetewitojored
under the Minter Act. That Act tequiredthe sitiptuttt-
Arent of TrnsfeerWho should ribmidate'theTteithrer ;
but • so- fat fronts interfering 'With --• the Societies,
the Act repealed all former -Attie' tegulating loch
Societies. • In Order to avoid the great- evils •expe-
rienced• from the -miscalettlittionV made by Becietiesi
the former Act required that • all such . Societies
thcruld-submit theit tables of' benefit, to' -the approval
of two approved Justices of the Peace. It was not always
easy to determine what Justices were fit-and 'proper
for the occasion. It would be rise, provided that the
Rates and Tables, when exhibited at the Sessions, should
be transmitted by the Cleile of the Peace to the only
Government office chit poisiised a professional actuary.
, - He alluded to theOlUee cif the Commissioners for the
Reduction of the National- Debt: The-Commissioners
were.verf willing to undettirke th*lttliti fors-ihdeetk It
war the onlY' thiegtheYSOVrliad to d0....(1* 'latter). '
: Mr. nuME`appreved of -41,it ilia fallen' from -the
Hon. Member, and the-motion was Ostend CllfliClL' •
. ' MVO OVIIIII9CIIIkif StrltiAllblre"
. ink MACQUEEN Inse4ttissfaietelit natio!, -to
bring forward his motion-on the' Subject af ?atoehial
Settlements. Mil morienhleis-;‘ That I Select Com-
mittee be appointed to takeiato considered.," the state
4f the Law with 're:Previte 'Parochial BettleMEnts.".l
The Motion was agreftlid.' - - '•' • ?'-' ` ' '.• .'
' 'Upon die nianinition dr& Citainiittee, .• . i-- ---- - :1.• ^- •
' Colonel WOOD said; he taught it it would bead-
, iisabletotive-the -powers of the Committee a wider
I range, at there were imewic otiletloints with respect to
thePuor Lair's whicit thutt netesiarily forte thentieliree
utien'ilteii teniideratiori; ea' Well is upon the 'tonal-
deration of the House. • In- some parts of the country
the rate of wager WaValOVn that • !Tetra SiIItICMIIII,
ould with difficulty support himself wititoot -parathfal•
id. It was not his intention to trespass further upon
e attention of the House on that °coition ; but if it
'should so happen that no other Member took the mat-
tip-,' he ihatAd'feell't Millet, CO indeed that the Coin-
ittee sliairld haie power to embrace the more geaeril
fr
utittionof the PearLawt ••, - - -
. "l'he ATTORNEY GENERAL'S name being men-
&Mid as `one Of the Cdhimittee;the Hen. and Learned"
'Cientlimas.said thithe Was most willing to give every
attention in. his- power to the Committee ;• bat if his
Sotnination at a Member'of *it was madr'with an- tx-•
tfieetation' that he Shotild -attend it regularly, 'be Mott.
observe, that his other duties prevented bins-from enter-
ing into any such pledge.
•' eilf ri°M AVQUEENtleclaredhimself.satitead-wids the
'Occasional assist anceof thelion.and Learned Gentleman,
liigtiard ille.Committee against technical difficulties.
' z. ROMAN CATHOLIC LANDATAX BILL.
' Its. GEORGE EA NKES'raored. rho Ordae of the Day, for
the second reading of the Roman Catholic Land.taa. Bilk. . •,
Upon the question being pus from the Male,
- -Mra CURTEIS thought it of the utmost importinCe
that the House•should give this Bill a little more consi-'
deration. The,Bill had been passed hit year in the House
of Commons, but it was lost in the other House. Upon
that occasion the Chancellor said, “ Where there's a will
thereiaithyria exptession the meaning of whilch•ba
'did not understand at the time, imt which he since ai-
de:stood to mean that, although there was a will to pais.
'the' measure in the House of Camases', there was a
Way to get rid of it its the' House of-Lords ;' and so it
proved. Before the Bill'Passiict heshould like to know,
from Ministers, whether it was likely to be productive
of serious loss to- the country ? If -the tax, as it at
',resent existed, operated• as a hardship. upon Roman
Catholics in particular, he Whs the last man to
Wish for its continuance. . Bat if the land-tax gene-
tally was felt•as a grievance, then the general quer
Lion bad better go -before a Committee, untrammel-
led by this particular case. It had always been aa
impression upon his mind, that the Hon. Member:
for Corte Castle (Mr. Banker) was rather hostile teal
Roman Catholics; but he supposed that the Honourable
Member introduced this motion as a sort of balsam—
that he intended by it to pour oil into the wounds of
that body. He (Mr. Curteis) disclaimed all hostility Si,
the Roman Catholics. It was matter of indifference to
him, whether a man came from Rome or from Can-
terbury ; hot he thought that all men ought to contribute
in their fair proportion to the necessities of the State.
' ' Mr. FILER thought the Bill did not afford the re-
. lief it plealtded i *ad if the law would admit, he would,

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not ally relieve the Earl of Shreteslinrj. Aka -Other ca.
thnlics from a liibllity to double payment ill Num,.
bu erould reloolserkte them for thf.lasses-thep-hod
sufered; bet birdmen:this iemunitattia %het •to tie
confined to the heir, and not to the smithaser of fen estate.
Mr. HERRLES gate his full assent to:the pitineffile bf
relieving the Cath6ha from the *butthett of. a double
taxation, but he thought it would seem most unjust that
a Protestant purehastedfoold•not be 'put on as-good a
fbchint as a 'Roman Catholic heir, and yet the Hdn.
Metaber,who spoke list kart in fact declared hit %ells
'Ragout° dos°. ',Par himself hehed•that the principle.
Of 'imposing el ifferenbrates of d sty on account of khfferent-
greeds of religiosi*as certainly not adiaissiblvia Alto
present day. • - - - ~., t.. . .: :4r .:1411. • . ,•:, I' : •
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL agreed In the opinion
jest stated by,the Right latest Gentlemen, and he only
rose to say that it seemed to him the greatest difficulty
in meeting thistsbbjetttWoeld be to ascertain who had
and:who had not paid•thedooble doty,-as he knew for
a fact that from Ktng Withanis 'time to the present
day; all the Roman Catholics Ni' not paid according- •
to that rate. ...-3.-: .or . ' ' . .- in(
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Mr. HURST explained the mode in which. the Com-
missioners of Land Tax disposed of appeals against the
inequality- of the tax in his district. He had no great
alarm as to the sum which the revenue would lose by
the palling of this measure, for he knew that there was
not in the excessive county of Sussex a single Catholic
who *mild hive 'occasion to appeal under it ; and. he
believed that the same was the case in the next county,
Surrey." He was of opinion that public justice required
it to be passed, and that the thanks of the country were - •
Jue to-the4aw' officers of the' Crown for not meeting-it
With any unnecessary opposition. 1 • .

• • 1111.1: G. BANKES said, that be did' 'not look Opbki
this measure ai i boon to the Catholic% bin as an lei
Of justice—eye, and of tardy justice too. When the Act
was passed, which• made the land tax perpetual, thee
inequality with which it pressed. upon the Roman Ca-
tholicrwas dwelt upon by Mr. Pitt. He used phrase!
which showed that he considered it to be owing to the
carelessness of Protestants that any inequality existed
among them, and said that he. could not allow thatiu.
equality Cci.be urged bie a reasba for delaying the pas:it'll;
6f his bilt'which it *is well ',known was' an important
financial measure. Not a word further was said at that
time ,by the Catholics—for at that time there was no
Catholic' in the • House to advocate their cause,. He,
whirlundidways oppoied. the aimission of Roman Ca-
tholics info Parliament on national' grotinds, never sup-
' posed that it was not sFheirdthilt upon them, that they
had not individualt in- the Horne rot adVecat• their
rights; and" therefore he agreed svitiv.tite,Attnramy
General,. that 'though- it mighi.not be hard.'to-ihre the
Protestants 'suffer for their neglect, they wereAboond
to show greater indulgence to Roman' Catholits. ',ln
cases, therefore, where Protestants, paid -an equal aw
iessment- with Catholics, he did not- pretend' by .this
Bill to give any remedy. The law,. however, - pre-
, tended •to -remedy the injustice 'which had been in,
flitted on Roman Cetholics, end did. not ;. and ,all
libat he now-proposed to do was, to assist. the. law in its
operation. The English Roman Catholics had not been
passive under the present injasticeof the law, bes.bad
sought redress for it by every legal means in ;heir power.
Lord Shrewsbury, who had six -different estates in six
different'eountrei, paid on them all, trial obtexception.
precisely • the same sum as was first charged upon
them fifty years agn. He got rid of the doable
Charge upon an estate which he had in Oxfordshire,
by an appeal to the Commissioners under the Act
of '1791,; ' But even that was attended with great
diffictiltyi . He had to applt to- the Court if -King's
Bench for i mandamus to compel the Commissioners
to hearhis appeal. He had to take Counsel-down to
the country to. try bit cause, and at last, in the ye or
1799 ; he got 101. or 1101. taken off a land tax of 9601.
'• &oppose' that the Noble Lord was rifest in
the cdurie which he had then adopted he had paid
in-hit five other estates upwards of 6001. a year,-in
land-tax more • than he ought ;—a payment which
be was told could be traced back for 60 years, by mini-
Menti in his Lordship's, keeping. He hoped that he
shbild. be 'al& to 'Montt by this Bill, not only the lands
Of Catholics'- butalsothoie purchased by Protestants,
and which were hitherto liable to double assessulents.•--
With a generosity which did them the highest honour,
the Catholics of England were desirous, in the event of
the measure passing, that the eiemption should be made
aniiersal; He rru'sted' that in Committee he-should
12eteivi therasiiitanee of the-Lisv °Seers of the CO4 wit
tb remove 'whatever legal difficulties Might arise. •
The MASTER of the MINT accorded in the prin-

Ciple of the ;treasure, which would be open to any
Changes in the Committee, aad.particelarly that part
of it which at present included such of the Protestants
as had (Come into the poisessien of Catholic property,
and' which was therefore liable to double astessmeuto.
The Committee might think it proper tot soparatt those
two portions, and of course he should•atquiesce in its
decision.
rbe question was then put ; and the Bill haring been read a Second
time, the Committee upon it was fixed for Monday, March 3.
SALMON VISHISISS.

'Mr. FERGUSON moved; that the Bill for the Regd.
latiorr IA the Salmon Fisheries be recommitted, for the
purpoie of filling up she blanks. • -
It was recommitted accordingly; and the Amend-
ments having been made, the Report was brought op,
and it was ordered to be taken into consideratida on
Friday fortnight. The Bill, as amended, was ordered
to• be printed.