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Tazi without any design against the Government, ,hc:,
heve no protection against the breaking open of
thought that it formed an it
nNhtEt.o the Bill. It was most unfit'
subject for the exercise of Ms lnitreccatt aarerisehritod.
Bill commenced by stating a d hoLoaserdinoEtbhßjeescnictiiogi
thwaetstupueroc, proceeded toaff eenrdactn:bremat,ey
forif
a man could be found to swear, that he, the informer,
aPeramanb)e's house should be entered at
believed that such and such weapons were in it, '
Noble. and Learned Lord himself hadththLeMstaftilleaviiittedTheitts
midnight heci,
were kept for purposes "dangerous to the pt._
imperfection in acknowledging that the preamble re-
quired alteration, and that the enactments- should be
pas_ peace." It was said, that mfg ms were improped
revised. and corrected in the Committee. The im-
propriety and injustice of taking from the accused
sinus ; but after a man bad been dragged out
party the right of postponing trial, as he now
reseed it, was strongly illustrated by an anecdote he seized, an appeal might be to the Quarter ,
bed (if, indeed, any man would vent
had heard of the great LordShaftttsbury, the Author
after the passingventure to go to
been deprived of a pike-head, of the value of sixpence,
of the Characteristics. His Lordship, while a Mem-
of this Bill)—(Laughter) —and .
it would cost him a whole suit of armour to , •
her of the House of Commons, introduced a Bill, the
back again ! All these things tended to increase
,object of which was to grant to persons accused of
distrust and irritation in the manufacturing distrii
high treason, and even of felony, the benefit of em-
ploying Counsel. In the course of his speech, he be-
and if people were disposed to emigrate, he say
came so confused, that his memory failed him. After
choice between London and Constantinople, •
a momentary pause, he made this strong appeal, ad-
the preference were in favour of the latter. In
dressing himself to he Speaker—" Sir, if I, who am
don we once had the best,laws, which were gri
only arguing an abstract question, am so embarrassed
ally changed for the worst ; and in Constantine
as to forget the reasoning by which it was my inten-
the worst awe, in which no alteration could be
tion to have supported it, will you not grant to a
man, in the situation of being tried for his life, some
bur for the better—(Hear, hear).
assistance to protect him against such an accident r
—(Har, hear). So he might say of the present Lord HOLLAND inquired if, in the first ,
Bill. Would they, by passing it, take from the ac- there was any objection to insert " two Magisti
cused that power of delay, which might be necessary instead of " a Magistrate?" He did not wish tc
to his proper defence? Whatever the evils of the this amendment, but at all events the word "cl
present practice might be, the Noble Lord was bound had been omitted among the weapons, as it hac
to shew that there was no other remedy. But the stated, a good many were " laying about late!)
Noble Earl had shewn the contrary, a few nights Lord SIDMOUTH said that the word "gun'
ago, for on arguing that the Assizes ought to be held to be found in the Bill.
more frequently, he had pointed out a more easy and ' Lord HOLLAND objected strongly to its inserticn,
constitutional. remedy. In cases of ex-qfficio tailor- Admitting that an evil prevailed, it did nut '
mation, the accused was at the mercy of the Attor- that this Bill was a proper remedy ; it might
ney General, as to whether he should be tried or not, end even to some of the sports cf the fieli
and there were at this moment, more than forty pro- though people in the country loved the Constit
- very well, they often loved the favour of an .
secutions hanging over the heads of different indi
viduals, for nine or ten years back. To omit the nistration quite as dearly, and might give i..form,..
correction of such a grievance, in a Bill of this nation to answer any but useful purposes.
tare, was monstrous. A great part of the evils now The question was then put on the Amens'
complained of, arose from the growing distrust of the and it was'negative.i.
People in the Parliament. The present Bill was cal- Lord DARNLEY persevered in his Amens
culated to shake their confidence more ; and if any for omitting the words " or by night," but the
one could have a wish to add to the alienation of the tion being put, it was rejected.
public mind, they could not succeed more effectually The House then resumed, and it was orders,
than by going on with enactments entirely on one the Report should be received on Monday.
side of the question. If, when the Bill came out of DRILLING SILL.
the Committee, it was so raodified,.as to check delay The House went into a Committee on the._
upon all occasions; he might say content to its pro- Bill. Several verbal Amendments were adopted.
Visions, but as it stood at present, he felt it his duty The Report was then agreed to, and ordered
to oppose it in this stage. received on Monday.
Lord LlLFORD'began, by making some remarks ALARMING 'TAT' 05 THE COUNTRY.
respecting the apprehensions which the Noble Lord Earl STRATHMORE took the opportut
(Holland) seemed. to entertain, of giving too great stating, that having heard that the statement I
an influence to the Crown, and those which the other last night was doubted in another place (alit.
Noble. Lord (Liverpool) held, with respect to the ab- the speech of Mr. Lambton), he then repeat(
solute predominance of the People. For his own part; same facts, with the full assurance that they
he was equally jealous of the absolute authority of both: well founded.: he would go further, and say,
" Justum et tenet= propositi strum the statement, instead, of exceeding the bound,
" Non civium ardor prava Jubentiuni, short of the actual state of the country. He
" Non vultus instantis tyrauni,
" Mente quatit nada." appeal to the Noble Duke (Northumberl.o
The Noble and LearriedLord, when he first proposed Lord Lieutenant of the next County, whom
this Bill to the House, had told them that it was net in his place, for a confirmation of his statement
suggested by the exigencies of the present time; and felt it his duty to have made the explanation.
he (Lord Litfurd) was much pleased to hear that de- sincerely hoped the measures now before the "
claration. There was no doubt that the subjects of would meet the evil. Not a moment sled(
the realm had reason to complain of Legislative in putting them into execution, and most
should he be to fend that they effected their
enactments, made to meet temporary exigencies. •
without having recourse to more vigorous measures.
When he looked over the Statute Book, he found the
laws enacted for temporary purposes extremely nu- There was not a man in the House more un- "''
merous. In his view of the case, experience :hewed to restrict or to suspend the Constitutional lii
the People without the necessity.
not only what was true, but also what was expedient.
The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND eau
-Was it or was it not true, that by the present practice
a long interval elapsed between indictment and trial, fully assured that the statement of the Nob)
during which, many innocent persons were compelled was correct. According to the best inform,
to stand in the situation of criminals; whilst others, he received, he learnt, that of the Colliers
who were not only criminals, but culprits, stood in one purpose, and who were actually armed,
the situation of innocent persons? It had been said, bet was 16,600. The disaffected themsels
that the reason of the Noble and 'Learned Lord for were good authority in that case, actually
,introducing the Bill was, to expedite trials for sedi- that, taking the line from the Wear and thi
'emu and blasphemous libels. Now, the only clues- to Carlisle, the numbers of thoie wh.
tion was, whether this was a sufficient reason for die- could collect and place confidence in =lot
kurbingthe law of the• Country ? and as he believed I°°." men'
that the coursedela, c the law at t permitted, Earl STRATHMORE begged to add, the
',retarded the cof justice, en traetlevew he should morning received information, that, from
!support the Bill.—The Bill was then read a second turbed state of the County, the Magistrates
!time, and ordered to be committed on Tuesday. the district in which he resided had been
obliged to leave their houses, and take their
. POSSESSION OP ARMS BILL.
I. The House having resolved itself into a Committee to Newcastle. On receiving that information,
had made the proper application to have hi.
Ron the Possession of Arms Bill,
The Earl of DARNLEY moved for the omission taken out, and assured their Lordships he wom
repair io his post (Hear, hear, hear).
lot- that clause in the Act which authorized search by rd REDESDALE said, that he had that
!night, contending, that all the purposes of the Bill Lo
would be answered by limiting the search to day time. ing received letters from Newcastle, which 1
I Lord EtLESSINGTON expressed a fear that the confirmed the statement of the Noble Earl
;Bill was intended to be put in force in Ireland, where more), but actually exceeded it, in the scoot
gave of the disturbed state of that.
was quiet, and deprecated strongly the impolicY gpart of the
—Adjourned to Monday.
of such a measure. He alluded tp past experience in
that country, for the purpose Of shewing the evils HOUSE OF COMMONS.
with which the principle was fr4ught, and the abuse mr. Huv ww". from the Bank of Billandi
and
Lord with which it had been attended.
Lord SIDMOUTH said, that the Bill only applied Account of the Weekly Amount of Bank Notes ana
TB:lmsheinr,cir;l9lati. on fromt theo sb9eth .Inne, 1419, to the
to certain Counties in Great Britain, but that a power Sir. Serjeant ONeSLOred tW
was given to extend its provisions to Ireland, if it
should be necessary. He objected to the Amendment the 15th of December, he would move a Standing
gave notice,
that
on
no Bill relative to Trade and Manufactures should be .
intoo thettHeeouse without first sedergoing the consideration
proposed by the Noble Lord, without which, he con-
tended, that the Bill might be evaded. The present
measure afforded a security not contained in the 52d On the motion for reeding the Order of the Day for'"
of the King, by providing that the information should re resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, which
the Committee vies postponed to Monday.
be given on oath. Mr. CURWEN gave notice that on Monday he
. The Duke of SUSSEX supported the Amend- sentereamis
to the Seditiousvrlih rendered
Assemblies inP"lsientiletiofiwn Bill.
meat, to s
meat, as he conceived that the Bill 'might be carried %On the motion of Mr. CA LLAG H A 14,112 humble Ad.
into effect without it, in a manner less offensive to the
ordered to be presented to his Royal Highness the Prince
üblic feelin
The Earl of ROSSLYN asked whether the clause praying that he would direct that there be laid before th
P g.
Civil Bills,
theErilecumt berto:enlnteditedctm:inthtsthaneda Clerks
Appeals,
,
which made the possession of arms, of a particular in Ireland, from 1756 to the last year; and also a cer
description, a prfinefecie evidence that they were in, modal which had been presented to Load Whitworth
tended to be used 4gainst the State, was so guarded sufficient state of the Police.
as not to apply to common arms, such as guns,. pis- COMKITTIM OP WATS AND MANS.
the mod
tots, &c. and whether, as no oath was required to jus- to °ll
resolve i a and Means,
tifftbs seizure of the one, the necessity of an oath, Mr. KENNEDYn
expresser aowish toYll know what .
o 4 forareading the Order of the day for s
Lord SIDMOUTH said, that the clause expressly
might not be evaded with' respect to the other ? intentions of his Majesty's Government on a very important
mentioned pike-heads or 7 The 59th Geo. 111. c. as, for Equalizing the '
as the description of Malt, had taken away the ptevions distinction which .
respect to the Northern parts of Ireland, and had prodi
-*lace of the evil intention; and sei without infer-
weapons that should be considered ' facie evi• mast injurious effects, by the en t which i' .
to ill distillation. Was it the 'on of his Mai
elation upon oath. The common weapons whidh "num** to ilodifl, dist
Insular°
The cli
might be kept merely for purposes of def e, ere
w— several representations had been made to Government or
ANC% LOR of the EXCHEQUER rePßeir
not regarded in that view, and an oath of the supposed subject, which had been put leto the hands of the Sgard
purpose for which they were intended was required, thee' As
soon as result of the investigation by '
before they could be seized. was known, it would be taken into consideration.
ard,' me Meese then reserved itself htto the °manatee,
The Earl of ROSSLYN thought it h
that the on the motion of the CIIASOILLOPi of the Escuseess,
moo who bad in his possesbioo pike-beads or spears, 'that were greet to, trucwiste tbs awl Ds*, 911

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specially interested.
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lopted. 1 ations which Govel t
!red to be .t think fit to adopt,
ahem de nature. The Noble
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,eared the a few minutes Info
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say, that rnment to propose
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ment. He
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,tion. He those Duties could
the lime aof the Articles of
old be lost to ascertain the opin
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it purpose e CHANCELLOII
measures. yto the Honourable
Rights of .Clegality of the i
subject. It had alv
unwilling rvtlime that he ha
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;obit! Earl Articles of the UT
ration that its named, was a
united;n ect propriety and ji
, the rune emplation of Parli
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y boasted, ough he most rea
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counted to er prepared to an
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.le him to recomrr
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a actUally ly to remedy- the t
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mation, be ch the provisions i
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would then 's arrangements 1171
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that morn- Ireland;. that a
b not alone less would be tr
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Irish Vestries, and
rid of.
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the 29th No-
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3 of the Peace ment was antic
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their pry
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all parties
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