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him go and spend there, not a short time, but a year or
two, that he might have more information than what
he now collected in the streets on his way to the House.
What would he say, after this attempt to pat him
down (Lord Lorton) if he should hear of a massacre in
Ireland ? He (Viscount L.) had taken the mildest pos-
sible notice of the conduct of the individuals by whose
speeches he had been insulted. He had received many
letters from Ireland wishing him to bring them to the
tier of the House, hut this he should not do.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that he did not speak
on theory or as a stranger. He had visited Ireland,
more than once, and had spent seven months there at a
time. He had been present at what the Noble Lord
called the Convention, and he had heard the speeches
.made at that place, and he knew of nothing more con-
temptible than those speeches, with the exception of the
speakers themselves. Nothing could tend to give either
of them more consequence, be repeated, than the course
followed by the Noble Viscount.
Viscount LORTON would saris*, ammo& heCos
awe that if be spoke to eternity Ils,llM4ssld con-
vince the Noble Baron. •

himi

charge the duty which his oath as a Peer
ment imposed upon him, by recommending
the best use of his discretion he conceived
conducive to the advantage of Ireland.
The Padden was then !Aldan the Cable.
PROMISSOnT MOM.
•Ild ALEX. GRANT and others from the Commons
dopy of the Report of the Committee of that Rouse
af Promissory Notes in Scotland and Ifeland.—•Laid
ordered to be printed.
nt DUDLEY and WARD presented Petition
vent smdreds in the County of Suffolk against. =dr-
umming Wolverhampton for, an alteration in the
Laid• the table.

Lord REDESDALE was understood to say, that
such language and acts as those of the Association, if
not repressed, might involve the country in civil war.
The LORD CHANCELLOR. should have observed
his promise, not to trouble their Lordships with his
opinion on the Catholic Claims till they were fully
before them (and he trusted that the notice of a motion
on that subject, for Thursday next, would not be
abandoned. in order that they might decide the ques-
tion, and know what they had to do), had not his Noble
Friend. (if the Noble Baron (Lord King) would allow
him to call him so, and he doubted it, for no one had
acted with more hostility towards him than the Noble
Baron) bad not that Noble Lord said, that the Petition
was drawn up in such a manner, that even the Noble
Earl on the Woolsack might have written it himself.
Now, there was not one word in it which he could ap-
prove. As to what passt.d in the Irish Convention,
unless it amounted to a breach of privilege of that
House, their Lordships had nothing to do with it.--
Indeed, he was not aware that they knew exactly what
passed in that Association. He. had seen in a news-
paper, but that was not an authority on which the"
House could proceed, that it had been remarked in that
Association, with respect to the speech of a Right Rev.
Prelate in that House, that he was a liar. Now, if
Noble Lords would print their speeches, which was in
itself a breach of the privileges of the House, the obser-
vations made on those publications did not fall within
the cognizance of the House, as, if they had applied to
the immediate proeeeJingsof the House itself. But be
did not believe on the authority of newspapers alone,
that these things had passed in the Convention which
were represented to have occurred. He did not believe
it, because, if evidence of it could have been laid before
Juries of she country, it would have been tried whether
it was fit that the Legislature and the individuals be-
longing to it should be treated in the manner in which
they were represented to have been treated ?
The Marquis of LANSDOWN, atter the allusion
made to his projected motion, thought it his duty to
state, that he should give ample notice to-morrow to
their Lordships, of the course which he intended to
take with respect to bringing or abstaining from bring.
ing his motion forward. He hoped that Noble and
Learned Earl would not-think it want of respect if he
(the Marquis of Lansdown) said, that the Noble and
Learned Earl was the very last man whom he should
wish to;ionsult as to the propriety of bringing for-
ward his motion or not. He should trust to his own
sound discretion to determine what course it would be
proper for him to adopt, and he should distinctly ex-
plain the grounds en which he should make up his
mind to act.

The Earl of CLANCARTY had always regretted
that an Act of Parliament bad been passed to put
down the Catholic Association, as he thought that the
Common Law of the country was competent to do so,
if the Magistrates had dune their duty. He differed
from the Noble and Learned Earl on the Woolsack in
thit he thought that at least as mtch passed in the
Convention as met the public eye in print. That the
Law Officers of the Crown in that country should not
have noticed those proceedings, was a matter on which
he could give no explanation. But he must say, that
be should be sony to be connected with those Law
Officers of the Crown, as these was something extra-
ordinary in the manner in which they looked upon the
discharge of their duty.
After a few words from Lord Km and the Earl of
KIWOSTON,
Viscount CLIFDEN said, that the late fatal vote in
the other House had been waited for with anxiety, and
would be received with exultation, by the Apostolic
faction in Fiance and Spain. He called upon their
Lordships to reflect, what would be the situation of
this country, with Ireland in its present state, if, as
there was every probability, a war should be com-
menced with Spain, which must lead to one with France
and America? _ .

The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL regretted that a
British Peer should be. found, and especially an ab-
sentee, to echo itithe House the sentiments of the De-
magogues of the Association, and thus to encourage
them to use language which might be followed by acts
fatal to the peace of the country. He also denied that
the Catholics in Ireland were as numerous as they were
represented to be. They only amounted, at most, to
five millions, and the Protestants and Presbyterians to
two millions, so that there were only two Catholics and
au half to one Protestant, a propottion which ought
not to frighten the latter out of their lives, if they stuck
together, and were firmly attached to the King and
Constitution.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN complimented the
Noble Earl on his arithMetical vwer, and on the very
novel light which he had thrown on the suhj ct. He
had put the Hoisse at least in possession of a striking
proof of the importaner of the Catholic Association,
for he had'clearly shown that its object, which he had
formerly stated was to close his mouth, hid completely
failed—( A laugh): He (the Marquii of Linsdown)
should at all times be happy to hear the Noble Earl's
,entiments, but still should claim the right, in all hu-
mility, and even in the Noble Earl's presence, to dis-

PRICE OF FOREIGN CORN.
The Order of the Day having been read is
IS a Committee to inquire into the price
"Sign Corn,
The Earl of LAUDERDALE began by ,
she House that the Noble Earl opposite (Earl
bad promised not to refuse a Committee,
laity should be limited to the price at which 1..
might be grown and imported. He could not
.anticipated that the motion which he
tit to make should be so necessary, for '
acquainted with the grand seiret of the
Laws. The Home were now in possession of
and it appeared that a duty was proposed
which had never before been adopted here,
other country endowed with the power of reason.
Noble Earl then entered into the details of the
with which our Readers are already perfectl,
quainted. He contended that the gradation
should have been fixed according to the price
abroad, and not according to that of British
FOr that purpose information ought to have
cured, in order to establish a 'scale to suit the peke
the different places from whence corn would
ported. But even then the nature of a single
might render the whole labour nugatory. Our
tors had seen the difficulty of a graduated
was resolved for the present age of theories ,
one. Until the existing Government had been
and some men had become members of ltv
fond of experiments, he did not think that
entered the head of any one individual to i
a duty. Let it be done, and let any of .
him the data on which tenants could offer
He should not oppose the measure if
honestly and conscientiously believe that
pleading the interest of the manufacti
asore strongly than those of the landowners. i
* idea that the landed interest could ever
monopoly. Could the five hundred and silt)
tenants in the country, some with, and some
capital, combine together so as to produce r.—
nopoly ? Let their Lordships look back at history
there was a complete prohibition of foreign grain
there a monopoly at home? He contended F
be couch easier for great merchants, who
nommen* as die laadbokisso, to cosibine,
ing the price of corn from 60s. to 70s. to
themselves the introduction of 1,000,000
grain duty free. This they could renew whenever
interest required it, so that in fact the effect
sent plan would be to allow grain to come
countries free of duty. This was a most extraordinary
time to try such as experiment. In INS,
home price acorn was 695. his Majesty's Speech
ed, that there never had been a period at which
1 and classes had been so satisfied and happy.
the price of corn was only 535. experiments ,
made under the pretence of saving the country .
monopoly! The plan held out a mere semblan,
securing to agriculturists a protecting price
according to the scale of duties, when the
abroad should be 255. it could be brought t
tish market at 555. when 50s. at 565. when
and it was only when it should be 40s. an
price for the Continent, that the protecting
would be attained. The weekly average
put an end to all import trade, and wouL
supply to be entirely drawn from warehoused
perpetuating the warehousing system which
fatal to all branches of Commerce. He had
the last Corn Bill, and bad forborne to press
jections to it, because he had been its-ured
by the Noble Earl at the head of his Majesty'
,that it was to form the lasting law of the count
peace. The present plan had been called Lora,
measure. Were that Noble Earl present, and
much rejoice if he was, be would tell
he did not believe that the Bill had
with him, though D evil communications
good manners." -Übe wanted evidence of thi
took for it on the Journals of the House of C
1814, where some traces of the origin of tote
seen. He had seen this plan itself a twelves
It had been lodged in Mr. Huskisson's hand
it had been got out of them, to become
thought in Lord Liverpool's brain, he reall,
conceive. Perhaps, in order to screen the
Lion from the unpopularity which it was
produce, its authorship had been thrown
tunate colleague. When a certain indi,
boasted that b= had-extended his hand and
world to take off our cotton manufacture
said nothing about Lord Liverpool. The -
his own work. But now that unpopulari
encountered, the whole was thrown on the
But he was convinced that that Noble
much reverence for the Constitution and ,
of the country to have embarked in a course
ments like those which had been tried, if'
left to himself. Let their Lordships recollect
cotton manufacturers had been encouraged
their goods. Let them remember the Silk
Act passed three or four years ago to allot
sion of foreign silks, on paying an ad vale, ens
SO per cent. Let them also recollect that
was smuggled through the House, to rep,
prevent the effects of that, by laying the di
and allots ing. no importation except to L'
per invent of Free Trade had therefore failed
as it would in V e present, and in all
best system would be to prohibit the impoi
Corn at all times, but to lodge in the Go-
authority of opening the ports whenever
sawed, as they and Parliament 'oval,

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1
er of Parlia- dify the supply according to the necessity Of the ease -
ling what in It had been said that Government holding the scales
1 to be most between two parties had given the balance of principle .1
to trade, and that of price to Agriculture. If there
was any meaning in that foolish expression, it *as that
the landed interest had been driven out of the strong
rams brought hold of ancient usage, and that though it had the
Rouse on the balance of price, it was one which might aft •rwerds be
.1
d•-Laidon dos lowered and taken away, the principle having been al-
meal from ~_ together abandoned. He trusted that the House would ti
„dam am, the make a firm stand against the meagre. If it should lt
t Cara Laws.... lower the price of corn 14s. the difference to the farmer 4
would be, that, between creditably maintaining his
i
family and perfect beggary, whilst the manufitcturer's
for appoint- gain would not even ;Amount to one additional half. i +
price of Fo- penny a day. It was, however, impossible to decide
upon all those points without proper information.' He
I y reminding should therefore move, that a Select Committee be r
an Bathiust) appointed t o enquire into the price at which forties I
ie, if the in- grain might be shipped in foreign ports, the eparettekt of
rhich foreign such grain, and the price at which such grain world be
mid not then imported into this Country.
he was now Earl BATHURST was convinced that the Noble
rhe was not Earl would regret having used an express'oftwhkh had
he new Corn escaped from him. He had thought proper to say
of the whole, that the present measure had been thrown by his Ma•
id tin a plan jesty's Ministers*on an unfortunate C./league who•was
ere, or in any not really its author. What right had the N dale Earl 1
reason- The to make such an assertion? Could their Lordships have
of the plan forgotten, that before Christmas, his /44,.b1e A iend (the
erfectly ac- Earl of Liverpool) had announced that he should sub.
nof the duty mit a proposition midi/rely to the Corn Laws ? 'and
rice of corn that after the Recess he had given notice that he rand - I.
ish wheat.— open the subject to their Lordships at the same time that
et been pro' it was done in 'the other . House—an unuseal course,
t tie price at but one which shewed the-interest which he took in a I
would be im- measure which had been the (Nett of his deepest
ingie season consideration. And yet the Noble Earl asserted •
Our antes- that he was not its author, and that his Colleagues
scale, and it
had taken advantage of Iris lying on the bed cf
es to propose sickness to throw the responsibility of it \ upon i
been formed, him. He trusted, he repeated, that the Noble Earl
i
it.who were would regret haying made a charge
.which was SO
tit had ever totally without foundation. With respect to the Ire,.
) impose such lion before the House, he should not follow that Noble
of them ' tell 1
Earl through his various calculations, because, as be
offer rents.— did not Wend to oppose the motion, he thought it pie.
he did riot ferable to postpone his observations till the Report of
hat he was the Committee should be produced to the House, and
cturers still the whole question should come to be consideted.--.
s. He refuted With respect to the principle of a graduated scale of
ter acquire a duties, however, he would shew that it wait not novel,
Ixty thousand as it had been represented. At the time of Charles IL .
one without, and up to 1755, there was no prohibition, but a*probi•
i suck a mo- bitory duty. In 1776 a prohibitory duty was again
history when imposed, without becoming first acquainted with the
:n grain; was price of grain in all foreign ports. By the very ACtof
that it would
_ Ist% when thcprice was between 70s and SG} &WO • I
were not so was a duty of 11116. and es. for the 'first three noentlers
and by Tab' embus be all 17. bit if-tide price was *novo leis.
to secure for the dory was only ss. What was that but a gra-
0 quarters of dusted scale of duties proceeding on the same prim. .Irl
/henever their ciple as the present measure, though not carried to the
et of the Fe' same extent? As all the Petitions sent to the House asked
me from all; that this Act should be maintained, it was clear that the
extraordinary agriculturists
were satisfied with the protection which • \
IS, when the it afforded. them, and yet, what was that protection, •
tech had stab. when compared with that furnished by the proposed
hich all ranks
measure? By the Act of 1822, foreign wheat might
y. Now that
be imported when the price was above 70s.and under
ents most be 80s. with a duty of 17s. for the first three months,
untry from a and the importation must coutinue during that period. .
a,
semblance of New, if in consequence of the abundance of the foreign
ce of 60s. for, supply, the home price should immediately fall to 50s.
price of corn or even lower, still the importation must continue at a
into the Bri- duty of 175.; and if foreign corn might be imported, as .
in S4s. at Stis. the Noble Earl had sird, at 255. the price in the market,
an exortaant together with the existing duty, would not be more than .
,
price of 60s. 425. Was that the complete protection which the Pe i- ' •
e would also tioners and the Noble Earl were so anxious to retain ?
mid leave the The Noble Earl feared that merchants might combine
Ised corn, thus to raise the price of the market so as to allow free lat-
ish was most portation ; but by the bill of 1815. as there was no gra-
s
rad supported duated scale of defies, if corn was a little below 89s. the
ress many ob. ports were closed for three months, however necessaty
ed at the time 1 '
a supply might have been ( and if it kept sixpence
ity'sTreasury, above 80s. they were opened' for ft ee and unbounded
natty du inpo importation for three whole months, although the price '
ndLiverpool s t • -
and he would of the home market might have fallen the next day to k'
20s. per quarter. Then merchants might have an in-
ell him that tercet in combining to cause the ports to be opened for
ad originated three months, but it was considerably less, when instead
ins corrupted of a *tee months' average, importation or duties would
this, he should be regulated by a weekly one.
i. Commons
ibis plan we in:e Earl ROSSLYN conceived that with the warehousing i
~ system still in operation, one day would suffice for the
Ileamnth ag— merchants to inundate the market with foreign corn.
tads, and how
and it would be the easier for them, even by hoarding
e an original •
up the home grain, to raise the price up to free imports.
pat )
ally could n
,
calculated to
Lion, as they would have to keep it for only a week in-
. , e Administra- 1
stead of three months. He thought that the measure
a on an ad"'
proposed tended more than any other to create fiuctua-
Idividual had lion in i 1
ti the country.
i
and created a The Earl of LAUDERDALE knew the feelings of
1
the Noble Earl opposite too well not to be sure that at
ctures, he had
e act was then all events he should have thrown the responsibility of
rity was to be any measure upon an unfortunate colleague. He (the
se Noble Earl. Earl of Lauderdale) had only drawn a contrast be-
Earl had too
tween the conduct of certain individuals in one aim-
h
tion and their conduct in another, and bad left it to the
arse e
House to
draw an inference. If the Noble Earl bad
if he had been i 1 ,
t prosperity
exports-srity
drawn that inference it was his own act; and if he (the
Alec' how our
Earl of Liverpool) had committed himself upon any
aged to export point which might incur further consequences, be bad
ilk Trade. the only to follow a great example, to print his speech, and
low the admits. leave out the offensive passage.
. I I
brews duty of After a few observations from Lord REDUDALII and
at another Bill the Earl of Rosteattat,
;pair, or rather Lord BEXLEY stated that his Noble Friend (the
Jut,' on weight, E.rl of Liverpool) had announced his intention to
~ndoo. The ex- bring forward the present measure so framed with •
iin thatbranch, great deliberation by himself, and not as arising from
r,
others. The tie suggestion of any other person. At the same time,
, .
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importation of as communications naturally took •placc between the
;overnment the Members of his Majesty's Government, the plan was of
, .
re it might be course imparted to others. It was possible that the
her would mo- measure might come out of the other House in • some- -
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