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Ilative consideration. As to the Noble Marquis's
question, relathie to the existing interests, he did not
bilieve, that the view he took of it applied to any of
the Offices affected by the present measure. And
as to the point wh;ob regarded the continuance of
Pensions previously held by any of those on whom
Missions may be conferred ueder the Compensation
Bill, he had no diflitulty in saying, it was intended
sech persons should metge into these to be conferred
by the proposed Act.
After a few wotds, in the way of erplattetion, be.
tween his Lordship, the Earl of LAUDERDALE, and
the LORD CIIANCE.I,LOR,•
The Earl ot. LIVERPOOL rose to move their
Lordsbipe t go 400 aCO emittee on the Bills. He
prefaced the ration with en able and argumentative
speech of some length, in which he urged the varlet :4
ivies which he cenceived to establish the expedienty
or policy ot their L•edships concur' iog in the mea-
sures before them. 'roe subject in wiestiora he said,
should in some degree be looked at as a whale system,
and one which proceeded ou a very different prir-
ciple trom those measures sent up oa former occa.
eons, and which their Lordships had so properly de- •
cided against. The prominent relines of those, as in-
volving the higheit absurdities, combined With a
total want of economy, were touched upon by the
Noble Earl. Amongst the former, he cited the pro.
posed enialgamatiou of the offices of the President of
the Council, with that e.f Auditor of the Eschequer,
and the principle of cunipensttion that was then pro.
posed wee net only irjeriuus,. bus- highly extrava-
gent. Tue system of measures now before them
was essentially different; the arrangements in the
way of abrogatien or regulation proceeded upl3
, principles ties most conducive to the pirolic ser-
vice, and the prophoel Act of Cumpensatein al.
forded the Crown the hest and most unexception-
able means of few:tiding effseicto public servicee-w
The great Offices of State were in their emoluments.
generally, very inadeytete, winch rendered a system
of compensation the mere necessary. lie instanced
the cases of those leadEee Ministers, Mi. Pelham and
Mr. G. Grenville; the two Mr. Pitts ; lastly, that of
, his immediere predecessor in office, whose memory
either .i; a Minister, ce a man, should ever be dear to
him. And with respect to .persons in Such situations,
he cnntended, the fairest, as well as the most econo-
mical mode of remunerating their services, wa; 14
means of pensions. On this principle Parliament
would know the extent to whicis such cemuiteration
coui.l go, and the discretionary power of the Crown,
ezereissal under the responsibilii ot its Minister:,
furnished the best secority ot the Pensions being cen-
Jarred with propriety and due discrimination. The
principle of competition by pensions was already re.
cognised by the Legi'llature, .in its rewarding the
very highest O.ice in the Stilt," that of
by soch• mesas, preferably to the fouusip casatits•
efficient or sinecure office. Upon the whole, whether
the system of measures now before their. Lordships •
Was viewed, either cnnstitutionally, politically,. or
economically, it was one which he could safely and
conscientiously, and would, therefore, earnestly re-
commend, to their Lordships' adoption. •He con.
chided by moving, that the House should resolve into
a Committee.
SUSPENSION OP Tuft HABEAS CoRKIS ACT.
On the Noble Earl's sitting down— • •
The LORI,) CHANCELLOR 'rose and ac.
(painted the House, that he had received his Mates..
ty's Commission tee declaring the Royal Assent to
certain Bills which had passed both Houses of Par.
liament, and which it WAS held advisable to tarry
into immediate effect..

Shortly after the Nohle% and Learned Lord, witi
the F.ails of atnitower and SHAFTEIJIURY, tieing
robed, took their vats as his Majesty's Commis-
sioners on the Bench in Iront of the 'Throne, and the
Commons attending, the !toyed Assent was declared
to the Pint Horses Doty Bill, ,the Suspension Conti.
nuance, 'lit American Trade, the Mil oa Officers, the
Irish forfeited It ecogn;zances, and to one private Bill.
After the Commons.had withdrawn, the debate ors
the above-mentioned tvt.s forthwith resumed.
_ _ . _

The Earl of LAUDER DALE expressed his sur-
prise, that such a syctem ct measures as that now br.
fore the House, should be strongly rec mmended by
the Noble Earl, when he recollected the decisions
they had come to in the..t.years 1812 and 1813, on a
subjeiq nearly similar; and in which .negative deci..
.ion. the Noble Ltd 1.4.1 taken so strong
.a part.
From the kepott he teaiiied that these measures were
es int), the same as rechinmended in those years ; and
he looked in vain for any new reasons of argumetts
in support of them, to thew the difference that pre-
vailed. He could not see how the public service suf.-
fered from the system which k was now proposed to
do away. He depreciated any feeling lib,
..n itrlpro-
per yielding to popular clamour; and he saw no nr.
cessity for a Noble !Storni:is giving up the .proceeds
of that office which was the well earned reward for
his father's inestimable public servicesa He censured
any departure hom the principle of decision which
ruled the House in I Sl2, and ihe following year; and
for which no one adequate reason presented itself.
Nor did he think that now occurred to the Noble
Lord which might nil as well have decided him in
1813. There si as no solit4 ground for such, a change
of opinion. The measures instead of at far
ect•nrny would be found to operate very differently,,
while they went seriously to diminish the
.salutary
.and constitutional itiflaence of the 'Crown, which in
Parliament at least was much more limited than at
any former period. Same id the offices proposed for
abrogation were of the highest pnOlic'efficiencz, and
alsou.:l always be vested only in persons of 'character
and consequence, with•appropliate salaries, ,while
some others of a very different description were suf-
fered to continue. Tn. Parliamentary Influence bad,
of late years, greatly decreawd ; in ma present frig%
no fewer than seventy-two Sitting Places were abro-
gated ; and in the ye..r in bit I('aDert Walpore's
tune, dirle were ii s more Places than
at or •-.riet :11;. t• • 'l.l :11 V. •••.: 1,1, oposcJ,