Star.
London, England, 1817-06-19 00:00:00

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Mr. R. WARD (Mrtiabet tot Hatlettsere) said* he
►jj seen a letter from him so far back as 1813, in
v.loch tit had stated that hr had the .reehoid in 1811,
e.ghwen months before the el,ction. it the status of
the (louse wvuld allow, he c•itild rve use .bsolute
11: to the transaetinn.
Mr. W. wan' said that there seemed to prevail
a contused ides among the Members on the other 1
~de. Facts were stated which called tor inquiry,
„,,1 it was the duty of the I-lAuse, in support of is •
-ivileges, to enter upon that inquiry.
Mr. WARD said, in explanation, that it was de.

r•ci that the man was a faggot : he was a real voter.
Mr. W. SMITH said, it then came to a question
tt rAct between the Petitions c and the Hon. Member.
/.... irquiry world ascertain which was correct.

!Jr. .BRAND said, if the Petitioner was not what

VAS called a faggot, he was almost the only one at
electonn who was not so, for he renumbered• be.
t the Election Committee--
Mr. LONG rose to order. The Honourrible Mem.

tr. A$ wandering from the question of the Petitioner.
I RAND submitted that he was not out of or.
rir-. (The Speaker assented that Mr. Brand was in
:vier). At the time of the Hasiemere Election Com-
r,:• ee. he understood that all the votets had recently
qualifi• d.
llr. LONG rose again to order. It was wit corn.
:e-nt to an individual Member of due Committee to
..k to the House as to proceedings before that
Cc mi nee.

Mr. BKAND said, in what a situation was the
kielse placed. It they were neither to receive in.
,otnution from the members of the Committee nor
Iran the Petitioner, since the Committee bad net itt•
►fired into the subject at the time, it could get no in-
:mation at all. He did not wish to speak then of
:::comstances, respecting which there seemed such a
Je:icacy on the other side, but he conceived there was
irregular in receiving the Petition, which
.4s affect, orderly, and decorous in language ; sad
e (lamed the House not to close its dons agaica
r.:h complaints.

The SPEAKER said be thought it proper to ob-
sirre, that the substance of the petition WAS quite
ilifferent from its prayer. The substance contained
complaint of personal injury ; but the prayer did not
at all attach If that complaint. Upon the merits of
petition he should not think it bait:tiring in him
to offer any opinion ; but he felt it right to point out
the diEculty of the case—the petitioner first com-
plaining of his own wrongs, and then petitioninl the
lionise to take care of its own privileges. It the
prayer of the petition referred to the complaint ut the
restioner it would undoubtedly be entitled to every
it:tention. Hot in such peculiar circumstances as the
case presented, it would be for the House to decide
:.yon the generality of the plan on the one hand, and
142 ,in the fact on the other band ; that the prayer was
by no means a fair index of the substance of the
ptition. •

S.r FRANCIS BURDETT shortly replied. He
telly contuired in the character which had been
given of the Noble Lorti ; an that he complained of was, the Iys-
t.at of borough-mongering, and to that mode of making Mem-
toc of Parleaustret. lie had brought the matter before the
House, but was not accountable to any one for the particular nto•
eves of Inv conduct. His object was to expose the system of
borough dealing, and he abould nut suffer the matter to rest here,
teen if the Hoax should reject the petition. The business was
tve. confinz4 to. Haslemere alone, but it aught be said ex as* &me
cares.--.:like House divided, when the numbers were—frot re-
toying the pets tun I 14-Agaiust tt 47--Alsjoelly 91. •
The Sinoggistag Pireention had, the American 1 rade Bill, end
ee Pose-horse Doty Bill, were severally read a first time, and or-
&red to be read a second time xainurnser,--stdjentneds

THE EVENING STAR..

I.ONDON.

THURSDAY, JUNE 19, 1817.
PRICE OF S I'OCKs THIS. DAY AI TW EI.VE O'CLOCK a
Reduced 73ii--Cuosols shot—Comols for Opg. 7411 S
4 per Cent. 92 Nave, gut—Bank bong Awls.
Win Burtch SS a 6 ere.—Exch. Balls So. 13s. pr.

A FIFTH REPOKT has this day been issued by the
Meet Committee on Finance, embracing the latsu
CIVIL EsTIUATES.
These Estimates are divided into two classes:—
those which provide for suds charges as come under
Tbe meaning of that clause in the Act of Union,
which enacts that a certain sum shall annually be
applied in the encouragement of Agriculture or Ma-
nutactures, and in maintaining Institutions for Pious,
aid Charitable purposes : and those which ate for

the Services usually termed Miseeltsneous. '
'l'►,e amount of the former is 0252,257—0 f the
latter, sel 41,660. -

The increase during late years, the Committee re-
mark, has been chiefly in the first branch of the Esti-
mates, a much larger sum having been devoted by
the libtr.lity of Parliament to benevolent and statis-
ecal purp,ses, than was stipulated for by the Act of
Vas on.

On a compArison, however, between the Estimates
for the present year, and those of last year, the Corn-
ro;ttee state, that it will be perceived with satisfac-
t;on, that a reduction has been made in the first
branch to the extent of i 1105,377 ; and iu the scrond
to the extent of £47,718.

The Committee particularly desire attention to the
redaction which has taken place in the Expenditure
of the Board of Works—a department which has so
ftequetitly occupied the attention of the House. The
Expenditure of that Department, on an average of
four years to January, 160:), appears to, have been
A 54,000 ; of four years to 1816, A:31,700 ; and the
estimate for the Expenditure of thiz year, is reduced
to A 21,500.

The Committee conclude with remarking, that
Many of the charitable Institutions appear to them to
be of very doubtful advantage to those classes of
society in whose favour they have been established;
and that the expediency is more than questionable
yr drawing together into the capital of any country
Large bodies of people, desirous of partaking of the,
temporary support which these Institutions may
afford. The Committer, however, refrain from strz-

gesting at presort any trduetien itt the afllOttht of
their Establishment, underetanding that the people
of Ireland have been accustoms I to ldek upon them
not only as affnrdips a valuable relief t,) many easel
or gte.tt distress, but as proving the liberal disposi.
tion of Parliament towards that part of the United
Kingdom. It is certain, the Committee add, that
these endowments far exceed nay thing of a similar i
nature in Great Britain.

The acquittal of WATSON, and the other persons
against whom indictments were preferred for High
Treason, has been followed by the discharge of seve-
ral individuals confined on the sense charge. Yes-
terday WILLIAM Culla and WILLIAM HALL were
conveyed from the House itf Correction by Mr. AD-
Stse. the Governor, and Assistant to the Secretary
of Slide's Office for the Home Department; also
CASLY and GEORUE BAITTELL, who were ap-
prehended at Gravesend, in company with THISTLY,-
WOOD, what he was about to embark for America in
disguise. A man of the 'tune of MO9GRID:74 Yr,IS
also conveyed to the Secret try of State's Office by
Mr. Nonoca, the Governor of Tuthill-fields Bride.
well. They all underwent examinations before Lord
S!DMOUTII, the Law Officers, Sir NATHANIEL CO-
NAN r, &c.; after which they were discharged out of
custody.

The case of Mr. FALL, we should hope, is a sin.
gular one. He is an engraver or some eminence,
has a large family, and is a man of a quiet and or-
derly demeanour, who has not troubled }:imself wi'h
politics lot twenty years. He knew hot on what
ground he was taken up, and could only guess at
what led to it. He has a slight acpaintatme with
a Mr. Mecmunce, and learning that th.tt person had
been apprehended as having some concern in Tans-
rucwoon's affair, he called upon his wife (as his own
friends afterwards did on Mrs. Ham.), to learn the
truth : soon after he reached his own home he was
himself apprehendwd; he therefore conjectures that
some spy must have watched him home from Mrs.
Moor:runt:es.

We have ourselves no doubt that Mr. Hatt•'has I
guesseJ the true cause of his arrest. But what a
lesson does it hold out to the people of England I tol
the Representatives of the people of England I When
it is known that such abuses flow out of the system of
espionage, men should surely pause before they put
themselves and their fellow subjects at the mercy of
such miscreants ? We speak now of the case of Mr.
HALL (for we have no doubt that some of the per-
sons who have just been acquitted of the chargi of
High Treason would have found great difficulty.
perhaps an impossibility, to establish their innocence
bad they been tried for sedisian)—but we speak of
the case of Mr. HALL, and we ask by what means
could he, or any innocent man, imprisoned on the
charge of a spy, have brought his case to a hearing
while the Habeas Corpus Act remained suspended
?
In one word, what shield is left to any man to ward
off the ruin of himself and his family if he may be
kept in prison, without trial, on the charge of an
Oliver, or any such hurter for Blood•money
Let us hope that Ministers themselves have only
been deceived by the reports of their own spies—
that they acted on the belief that their intelligence
*was correct. Yes, we can believe they have been
imposed on by their spies; for we will not believe
that they imprisoned Mr. Ilat.z. or any individual
whom they knew to be innocent. But it the Suspen-
sion of the Habeas Corpus Act may lead to the ruin
of private individuals, by the deceptions which may
be practised on Ministers, it ought not to be continued
for another moment. It is nothing to the purpose to
tell ns that whatever powers Ministers may exercise
under the Suspension, they will do it on their own
responsibility, What remedy does this offer to the
individual who suffers in his character or in his pro-
'
perry ? None whatever. Fors Bill of Ineleasily is
generally the precursor of the restoration of the rights
of Engli•.hmen. Yes ! Ministers are put beyond the
reach of prosecution for any injuries inflicted on indi-
viduals by the discretion or indiscretion of Ministers,
while the laws are at any time suspended.

Ministers have, however, on the present occasion,
the praise of having, as soon as the falsehoods which
were imposed upon them by a Cattle and an Oliver
were exposed, promptly liberated such as were im-
prisoned on their Tale: of Treaton. And it is probable
that they will now pursue a new course. We have
indeed every reason to believe that .this has been a
subject of serious discussion in the Cabinet. On this
there are even some strange rumours in circulation;
and it would no way excite our surprise, should a
hew arrangement of the Administration be the result.
Indeed it is confidently asserted that the issue of the
late trials has already led to a direct schism in the
Cabinet; and it is added, that Lord Livenooot., as a
leader in the House of Lords, and Mr. VANsITTART,
with respect to the House of Commons, have seve-
' rally cleared themselves in the proffer quarter from all
charge of participation in these measures. Lords LI-
VERPOOL, EVENCILR. GRENVILLE, and COLCHESTER, it
is now said, will, take upon them the functions of
Ministers, and Lord ELoor continue to be Chancel-
lor. So much for the House of Lords.

The other expected changes in the Commons have
not yet got into circulation :-we have heard the name
of Mr. Maxims Smarr, the new speaker. men-
tioned, as likely to form one of the new Ministry.
Among those who retire, are mentioned the names

Lord 010f.furrn; Mr. H. ADDINCtoXi acid Mr.
I n
DATIMRST ; but in fact the whole arrangements are
yet far from being settled* and it is quite imposs,ble
to anticipate the client of changes which may arise
when difterences once become so furrnilible as tr,
cause an absolute schism.

There are various rumonrs as to the assertions of
crimination and recrimination connected with late
affairs, but *e forbear to repeat them.--.-If• the ru.
moors have any foundation, they will no doubt soon
lead to an exited. in the form of a Parliamentary
speech by one or snore of the parties. Of one thing
we are assured, that some Members of Parliament,
who we►e induced to believe that the state of the
country is actually such as to require the suspension
of the usual course of the laws, have withir, these
three days changed their opinion, and will now vote
against any farther suspension ; and that others have
begun to waver, and will not be held ple4ged to sup.
port that measure.

We conclude our remarks by simply stating, that
in every circle in the Metropolis there is at this mo-
ment great anxiety to hear intelligence from the diffe-
rent parts of the country where the victims of Oliver's
assiduity are in custody. From the promptitude with
which Ministers attended to the situation of the priso-
ners in the Metropolis confined on treasonable charges,
it is believed they must, it the same time, have turned
their attention to other districts, and the result k
expected to be soon made known through the me-
dium of the Provincial Journals.