Star.
London, England, 1829-03-07 00:00:00

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Bidithatipation. Having said this much upon the sob.
Pere be should not have said more had it not been for
the observations of the Hon.-.l3aronet who had just sat
down, and who had made an attack upon the right of
the people of England, which he (Mr. Macomber
sh-uld have least of all expected from the Honourable
Baronet. If evetpetipons presented to the House were
entitled to respect, thetwere those whielite(Mr.Dun•
coni(r) had presented lately on this subject. The Hon.
Member concluded-by ,expressing his determination to
offer the matt uncompromisiog opposition to the pro-
posed -erasures.
bk::•MOORK the Member for Dublin. then moved that the
debate be adjourned to Monday—(Cries 44 No, so! Divide. di-
vide I and Adjourn! continued some done).
. The welt* was at lain pet by the Semis&
. Lord HOW ICK opposed the minion for adjousiniest.
• Mr. HOISHOUSB said the question might be decided on the
stestinti eir'adjournment. Those who voted for adjournment might
be taken to be against the Right Hon. Gentlemans isessure.
The sill for adjournment was continued.
Mr. Secretary PRIM had twiteshation In saying that it was his
Inteudiri, during the whole of this discusion. to give, so tar as
depended on himself, every latitude consistent with his public duty,
but be should resist delay—(Hear). He thought it right to resist
*he modes for adjournment. If the Hon. Member would persist
In his modes, the numbers ea the divides would be a criterion to
judge of the sense oldie Hesse upon his Measure.
Mr. PA LL MIR said be should vote against the adjournment,
but that would net prove whether be would or would not vote for
the measure.
Mr. MOORE then consented to withdraw his mo.
• tioo. Toe Honourable Member at the same time
begged to address the House. In a speech of cond..
• drub', tength he contended that the laws passed at
the Revolution were intended to be permanent, and
that they could not be removed without the destruction
of t e Protestant Constitution. He Iliad expected the
opportunity of presenting a body of Petitions before
be addsassed the House, but he could only regret that
the opportunity had not been afforded him. He
• considered the proposed measure not only an abandon
!Dell of the principle: of the Constitution ot 1688. but an
utter subversion of it. He denied that Protestantism
. wastnot a part of ;ha: Constitution. At the Revolution
all the political institutions of the country tame under
the review of the great men who flamed the Constitu-
tion.. Roman Catholics were then excluded from Par.
liiorn.eitt. and in the Act of Union with Scotland it was
expressly stipulated that Papists should not sit in
Parliament. It the great offices could be filled by Ca-
tholics. and time petsons hold seats in Parliament, he
might ask where was the necessity for a Protestant
Chorea ? .Ministers called upon them to yield op
the Constitution to expediency, and new political
theory. The grounds ri their expediency were a
. disunited Cabinet, and a dissatisfied population in
Ireland. For the.e points the Constitution. so dear
.to the hearts of Protestants, was to be destroyed. Ireland bad
been many years in a state of disquietude. In 1798 the rebellion
or iginated in a Jacobin conspiracy—ln the present unfortunate state
of Ireland they trace the cau-es of all the disunion to the Catholic
Association and the Fortpshllling Freeholders. Some secret poli-
tical theory bad prevented the Government trom arming for the
pies: siltation of the public peace. The Protestants of Ireland had
ever shown themselves to be the constant friends of British inte-
rests, and to their constancy and bravery was mainly owing the vie-
bodes which established the Revolution in 168 d. He called upon the
House not to precipitate such a measure. but to give the Protestant
subjects of his Majesty time for its consideration. The great body
of public opinion had been decidedly expressed against it, and he
thought this a question of all others its which the feelings of the
people ought to be considered. If they were not capable of the
understanding the nice psi its of reasoning upon the question,
feelings had been banded down to them which made them shrink
. from the danger with what he would call a species of political in-
stinct. It was Item the rs.crisachtug spirit ot the Roman Catholic
reiigiseil that danger was to be apprehended, and that spirit would
never i.e allayed until. step by step. it had obtained supremacy and
the destruction of the vs sting establishments.
POUT ASA N spite in support of the measures of the Go.
vertinseut.and said that he hound the best security fur Protestantism
in the petitions he fore the House.
Sir C. DURRELL called the attention of the House to some
information which be bad received front a highly respectable source.
Mowing the interference of the Priesthood to prevent education in
Ireland. Ile opposed the measure.
I ord Cult It 1 rose, and, as be bad been the seconder of the
Address to his Majesty, at the opening of the present Se-sion .4
Parliament, is a hich it was recommended that some measure oldie
description of that now under she consideration of the Iltw.e should
be adopted, be tossed permission shortly to declare his sentiments
no the occasion. He seconded the Address which contained that
recommendation.becauve he conceived that the adjustment of the
question could be much better effected under the immediate hs.
duets, of Government than upon the motion of any individual ;
but at the same time he reserved to himself the right of essecising
an unbiassed opinion with respect to the measure when it sited/ be
.brought forward. sod be distinctly stated that he should be opposed
toasty measure of relief which was not accompanied with 's..
dentsafeguards. However sanguine might have been the hones
he had entertained that he should be able to agree with Ministers
with respect to the important measure hi contemplation, be
must confess that the Bill which was brew & forward last night
had completely dissipated then—(Lear). He bad Is vain looked
for sentrities--(Lood cries of " Hear.") In fact. with the exemption
of the 40.. franchise being raised.to MA there was no attempt SC
seaseities—(Hear, hear). Even that be considered merely as a bdf
• measure is the way of seceritiee—(Hear, bear). With this desk
exception, aad the excludes of Catholics from the cakes of Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland, and Lord Chancellors of Ifaslosid and Ire-
land, the hill was one or lutgaddied. unconditional Ralsodpatioa
—(Ewen) To a owners of this son be could never assent; and
however pailful it might be to !dm to direr groin those for whom
he entertained a Idols. 'caret. and with whom he had always
agreed. and bad looped always to agree. and although It slight be
more strictly cenformable to the forms of the House to state his
objection to the measure in the Committee, be felt that be was
pursuing a more straight-forward course by opposing in limbs a
meow, to which he had the strongest objection, than by waiting
till the Speaker should leave the Chair. with the Im” of obtaleing
securities which he saw it was in vain to expect—(Oseers).
Mr. HART DAVIS aid he felt cooSdent that if they parsed
this measures two years would not peas before they had the same
agitation and eons-mien in Ireland width they now vainly hoped
to uppers. His long esperiene, of the. Catholics in that House
taught hint that Ito conbdesce could be placed in them. and he
therefore vote against the motion.
lire IL COOPRR implored the Government mit to precipitate
a ISISSAWA which Wait to abrogate a fundamental law of the Coo.
stitution. against the teems of the Church and people.
Mr. PRIM rose—Although 110 great a part of the discussion
which bad taken place on the proposition which he had the honour
of staking referred personally to himself, yet be smoldered himself
relieved frost the necessity of shading• to those remarks, and should
not avail himself of the pi isilege of replying to them. as he thought
the interest of the question was so great, and so deeply involved in
dificukies, that personal matter Astrid not be brought into cosi-
pinetion with it. Of all the appeal, that bad been made to him,
Mete was one only to which be conceived himself called upon to
reply. and that shield positively be the only explanation of the
kind be should make throughout the entire proceedings. He had
explained the reasons for his change of opinions—he bad explained
why be considered it peeper to bring the quesdon before the House
sea Minister of the Crown. It he bad not sites satisfaction in
those sapbmatioos be could not help it. He felt be should be act-
kilotons were he to occupy the attention of the House by
est any future personal attacks; but be repeated. there was
one moisties to which be should then reply. A Noble Lord, the
Member he believed foe Anglesey, had complained of the change
that had takes pkee in his (Mr. Peers) sentiments. He
believed tbste•Were to be bend in the able Lord's own family
some hosetwable examples of a similar change.
The tart of UXBRIDGE denied that any such change had
taboo pease fable family.
• Mt. PEEL coistiamd—He mi;ht be smog, but if he
vs et:Accord isght the Noble Lords
brother
had. during
detest bursitis of Parliament, in' a manner which re-
flected on him the highest credit, come forward' and
metaled-04*i' opinions en the Catholic Question
were ititaased, that-tie had sOshe reason: to induce him
to.distaje said th,se reasons he mast.'
ttllily.staassitst die -111 use. He (Mr. Peel) oils in-
leaded so allude to this as 'effecting hooey:on the Noble
Lewd. The Nook Eat l(thbo idge) had .sled why,in 1827,
be( Mr. Peet) had not taken the same course which he ssi..
in 1824, why he had nottunsented W assistldr. Canning