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TRIAL OF THE ittrEE.V.

HOUSE OF LORDS, OCTOBER 3.
DEFENCE-THIRD DAY 124 CONTINUATION.

Mr. 'Mamas's, in continu stion frort the • and Editian of the
'STAR of yeetertkke :—lt meat operate most powerfully in favour
'of her Majesty (said the Learned Counsel), that these charges
'against her had .1:lat for three years? It was for the promoters to
explain this, nut for him. He then proceeded to chew the Zits
fawner between the evidence of Miss De Mont as tiven at One
time and at pother. He particularly pressed upon the attention
of the ilouse, the manner in which she. had been led to
exaggerate .each time, until at last she gave a perfect
answer. At one time she said, that the bed was a little de.
ranged. When pressed further, she said it •appeared to have
been occupied by two persons; and when pressed stiil further,
she deerred she had not communicated before that there were
stains upon the linen. Again, she in her first examination said '
nothing about the locking of the bed-room door when she..saw
Bergasni naked ; but upun being reminded of her duty, she
asserted, that the door had been locked .when be passed in.
Now this was an example of the amendment of evidence which
could meetwith no contradiction. Now, with respect to the case
that r.-as to meet that of the prosecutors. It might be sup7nsed
that the Queen was not prepared as those against her were. la ad.
dition to the fact that all tli:tieulties had been thrown in Ir.lf way,'
it would be considered that her evidence sea.; only in a atate cf
beiug collected. He believed that a longer period would
have been granted; but a longer delay could not he taken.—
The (lace!: had. patience and fortitude. She lied given full
proof of the possession of both; .but she had not patience or.for-
titude to let it slumber in the unfortunate equailniam with two
speeches and a press of evidence in one scale, and not even a
whisper or a bse sat in the other. There was tit a bane, but no an-
tidote. &regular a de: ail could not, under such circumstances, be
exaeeted, as that which opportunity, and time, and influence,
'had contributed to ref:der it no matter of difficulty fur the other
party to make. lite time was now arrived when it became his
duty, by allusion to the particular branches of r he case,to chew the
AarenkAls of Use adveraariesa and to state what he hoped to be able
to prove. He then said, he should advert to what bad -taken
place on board the polacre—a subject upon which his Learned
Frieud had accidents ly omitted to speak, hut which he, and the
rest of her Majesty's Counsel, thought of the first importance.
Majocchi says that, the bath 'was made in the cabinet, but De
Mont says that she only knew of its being made in the dining-
room. ho far, therefore, as De blont's testimony is nut con•
finna,ory of Majoccht's, it is virtually a contradiction of it.
But tfi. case uid not rest there. It would be proved that this
bath was „tuna% In* a tub, because her Majesty had nothing
better oa board ; and that the cabinet alluded to was so
smala that wads the bed and other furniture in it, there could
not have been room for the tub. The thing was physically
huausadsle t the taws et Nature were against the evidence of
.7,lajocctii. It Was lilrae all the rest of the charges, a false, am.
=Wait, nunicious imputation against the Queen. Again Pa-
te:•-zo, the Mate, sales, that when .Bergarai had changed his
rpi g-cabin, it was possible for a person sleeping in I3ergami's
bed to see the person sleeping in the Queen's bed. To this they
would give a peremptory contradiction, anal spew that the situa-1
lion of the beds rendered such a thing impossible.- It Was said,
moreover, that the sleeping cabin of Bergami had been changed
in ceder to afford h►m an easier access to the apartment-of- her
:11,jesty. But math how a plain tale would .put the slander
down. At *Tunis a :surgeon was taken on board, and from want
of room Li' the vessel, and solely for his accommodation, the.
change in question took place, without the least interference:
on the part: of ber. Majesty. It was done, in fact by her
Majesty's attendants without any concert with her. • With
regard to sleeping under the tent oil deck, it would be
proved that at half a yard from it was stationed the steersman,
who was constantly on the spot. Why was not this man called
upon? If Majocchi timid, when below, hear, as he said, a noise
of a particular description in the teat above, why was Lot the
staersman called, who was within half a yard of the tent, and
must have heard it infinitely better? It would besides be proved
that the whole Crew of the vessel were in the habit, at all hours,
by day and by night, of passing close to the tent, and that an
Weer who had the charge of the vessel, and who was generally
on deck at night, used often to communicate with her Majesty
dlring.the night, as to the state of the Weather and the progress
of the vessel von which occasions he was always at liberty to
Fut aside any part of the canvass of the tent he chose, in order to
speak to her Majesty. The Queen did not sleep in bed under
the tent in the sense usually understood; her Majesty merely
rei,esed under an awning with her clothes on. It would,
he said; further -be shewn, that the communication by die
hatchway between the deck and the dinint-room below was'
continually open, and also that there wire several nights during
ti.e voyage when Bergazni did hot repose 4t all under the tent.
(fi h statement was received with a marked sensation by their
ta,rdships)—Yes, that there were several nights during.the voyage
un which Bergami did not repose at all under the tent, fur
it was necessary to observe, that after certain events which
had happened in Italy, sod- which had caused an appre-
hension* in her Mejesty', jesind for her personal safety, she had
rioter afterwards takes repose 'without some person to guard
and protect h: r. Whyi glen, were not some others of the crew,
and above why werc•not the steersman,' and the elibcer who
Lai the chaste of the vessel, called as witnesses, who must have
F.:own strinuch better than Mai occhl what did actually take place?
'l'he Learned Counsel next -requested the attention of their
1. nalships to the eventsat Naples. On the eventful night when
ties adulterous intercourse was said to have commenced—tile

htil2l night—it would be proved that the Queen did .not,
as sworn by De Mont, return early, but remained till the spec-
-- wet over, about c,t delock in the morning; that young
.iustin had been iliztni::sed to sleep in a separate apartment
weeks before that time ; and that the masquerade dress, in
which her Majesty aepea: as the Genius of History, so far
i:nm being indecent, was the character required, chaste,
st-her, and demure. The course of evidence now brought
the Learned Gentleman to Carlsruhe. liarbara Kresse had
Lid the tune of the incident she swore to at between eight
and nine o'clock in the evening; but it would be proved, that
it no tine during the Qteen's stay at Carlsruhe had her Majesty
aid au opportunity of being together at that period of any
night.
Learned Gentleman said he would net oily prove the
dress of Bessami to be such as he had stated by two witnesses,
h::: he would adduce evidence respecting Kress:4 which would
prove her not oily unfit to be credited to deprjpe a 'queen of
b:r rights, but even to strip the wing of a sparrow of a single
feather. He would take the circumstance respecting Berg:mil
going to Inspruck for a passport, and he would prove that the
Q leen did go to bed, but in all the clothes she had on during the
day, and that on account of the little German Inn being blocked
with snow. He would prove by a witness who accompa.
lied lierganai, that on their return, they were both busily ens.
ployed preparing for the journey, and that the witness was
=ore /lan once in the room of the queen to receive orders. He
ls'enid prove this by four witnesses, all of whom could speak to
the fact. He would now take the foul assertion of Sacchi as to
.what passed during the journey, where lie said, he ban two or
"Free Units looked into the carnage, as if to make " assurance
-loubly sure" as to the indecencies he had detailed. Now be
would prove, that the Queen on that very oecasion travelled in
a landau, that there were no curtains to be drawn balongingto
:_:—be would further prove (hut Sacchi was not the courier db
that journey, but that another person, wile would be besought
inward, was the courier; and this would be corroborated by a
region who was in the carriage at that very time, and would also
megativa those ind:cencies which he would not name. He next
'would notice Do Mont's assertion as to the bed-room being than-
Zed at the Villa d'F.ne, changed of course as all was wiehed to be
proved, for ibe purziOse of furthering the adulterous intercouue.
lie would prove that the bed-room used by the Queen smoked
so al:,711 in winter as to be insulierable, and that it became ne-
sts:4.r), to provide another, which was hound at the wry utmost
(t,•, of the slain,' apartments the Queen usually occupied
in ccubequisct: of which the queen was obliged, in goin,; from
her bed-room to her sitting-room, to go the whole tour of the
AL/11%4:. To obviate this, a door (not a pew Apar, but au end
060..)1) was opened, which f..e 4 y.,refi t,bp ;notettunic4,tion ten

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times nearer. 'With respect to the bathing In the Breaaae
rvbich he scarcely thought it -necessary to notice, the
Brazela was a'mosenteln stream, drf in, another and rapid in.
winter, and it would be roved that in winter it would Was
agreeable for bathing as in the tareenrat Loudon Wag=
In summer like attempting to bathe= the top of it. H.
only 'notice one case mere, and it wait one which his Leotard
Friends had challenged hjm to rebut; it was the tunieliluvian
sfory of Itaggaloni: He trould prove that, tittetted ameba man
Was when he said he saw the Queen and Be:gaol-amusing them-
selves so indecently with the sprees of our first parents, be-
could no more see them, than WI 'Mr. could, from the
place 4liere he then stood, eon into the interior of, &. Paul's.
He. would prove that ibis fellow Baggaxoni, like his partners in
crime, was guilty of perjury. The Learned Counsel then ani-
madverted in strong terms on the whole evident!, -which, he
contended, wis tomPletele'shaken,lnd totally nnworthrof the
slightest credit 'The Journal kept •by the scheming chamber-
maid, during the trartie of the Queen, had furnished the data on
which the superstructure of falshood and perjury bed been erected.
When he was attending for the tht two-days to his Hooourablc
Friend, and hearcifhith tear to pieties the case against which be
was contending (it was true that be also was an Advocate, and
a zealous one, he,shaeked Goo), but on hearing him shake and
demolish the evidence, at he felt in his conscience he had done,
it rend:Wed him of the following passage frosts Cicero :
" 0 magna tis vaitetis, qua centre hominhas *genie, ealtPlita-
'OA siertians,eentragne fields omniusi insidias,faiVe pet' w 'wet
When he se* the direction which the case watnow taking—
when he felt the confident expevtation that so niich could be
proved, of which he, had now only Lid the outliner he was
then disposed to fly from, the splendid declaniation of Cicero
to the statement of the Attorney-General, and'to tar with
him, that we were hound to *tribute all to. the Bounty of
Paeviesarce, who, in the ebsence of human means, surrounded
the ienocent with a shield, and interposed with, a ready help
to defend the desolate and oPprsased ! He (Mr. Williams)
would call the attention of their Lordships •to two witnesses
which he would thew from the quiver of his opponents.. He
'would call Captains Pechell and Briggs, two Gentlemen, whom
their Lordships must believe. Captain Nebel!, with some slight
grounds of offence between the Queen end him, spoke nothing
against her. Captain liriggs spoke decidedly in favour of her.
And was it to be believed, if this paiaen of the Queen was such
as had been described, a passion which sought its. gratification in
the market-place and on ship-board, that the Queen shOultrhave
passed three weeks on baud •tbe thip.of the gallant Captain
without betraying it? HI begged their Lihstshipeeetreasadder
the present state of the country, in which disaffeetiost stalked
abroad unmasked, and not to cut alighted fire-brand of anti-mo-
narchical tendency into a magazine ready to explode! The Learned
Gentleman concluded brexpressinga hope that these disgraceful
proceedings would wise pushed tootheir.utmost went on such
tainted, perjured evidsdce, as had been adduced at their bar; but
'that the judgment of their Lordships Would be such as to re-
move animosities, and,. peradventure, by. good _fortune, still
maintain the peace of the country. This (said the Learned
Gentleman) is the second wish of my
-heart ; the first is. that at all
hazards, and regarcilea of all other consequences; the cause of
substantial justice may triumph." • •
Earl ORE r rose to call the attention of their Lordships to
two statements that had been made by the Counsel for her Ma-
jesty; of great importance. He alluded to the statements as td
the difficulties experienced by the Queen's Counsel' in getting
'the evidence of the Chamberlain of the Grand Duke of Baden,
and of: General Pince A Noble Lord on the opposite bench
had said, that whatever influence the Goverment of this coun-
try had used with foreign Pesters to get evideece for the accu-
-1413i011, should be exercised to procure evidence for the 'Queen.
He would now allude to the examination of Berbera Kresge.—
When she was asked who told her .be should-receive compen-
sation? she replied, " O.ir hilsikeer, M. Berstedt : he said, if
I woull not go, I should be foreed." She was then asked, 0 Is
he not Mirister of Baden?" She answered,," Ido not know
whether he is Minister for Foreign Affairs or not." Now,
what was the case? the Council for her Majesty had stated
that the Chamberlain of the Grand Duke •of Baden was a
most important evidence ebe was appointed to attend on the
Queen during the whole of her residence at Baden ; and there-
fore could contradict the evidence of Kresse. The Learped
Counsel had stated that three distinct applicatiois had been
made to the Chamberlain; 'who had - once agreed to tames
and to the Grand Duke of 'Baden himself; but they mild opt
get leave for the Chamberlain to come over. If the Govern-
ment had used their induence to procure evirkeee for the
prosecution, the same influence should certainly be used for
the defence ; if It was not so usedelt* was a foul interference
with the coorse of public *dee, and such as to justify their
Lortlehips in suspending ell• further proceedings- until inquiry
Was instituted on the subject: His Lordship was sure the .1-louse
would feel, with him, that the circumstances stated by her Ma-
jesty's Counsel amounted to such i direct obstrtection to the
administration of public justice as required to.be fullyexplained.
He moved, therefore, that her. Majesty's Counsel should be
called upon to state whether they are prepared with proof of
their *anima? and if they are, that the House should proceed
to hear fib

Lord7LIVBRPOOL concurred entirely with the Noble Rae
opposite, that ft would be a mockery of justice, if the same power
which was exerted to produce witnesses en otre side was not
as effectually exerted to produce witnesses on the other. Had
an application been made to his'filljesty's Government, for Its
assistance to compel the attendance of the Chamberhda-of the
Grand Duke•of Baden, not one moment would have been lost ht
giving it ; but the fact was, thit no such application had her been
made. If her *Majesty's Counsel Would say now that his attend-
ance was material to their case, Or whether it was material or not,
that they wished the influence of Government to be exerted to
procure his presence, not two hours should elapse ishfore a special
Alessengerftuld be sent over for the purpose. As to Gen. Piney
his Lordship had good reason, for believing thht the cause given
by the General for not coming over was not the true one, and
besides, the order which the Austrian Government had been
pleasecito makp With respect to appearing here, in the Austrian
military dress was not pecyllar to the witnesses for her Majesty,
but had been enjoined as to the witnesses on both sides.
The Duke of WELLINGTON observed, iniustification of
the rule adopted by the Austrian Court, that in cases of officers
having to appear before Court's Martial, it was always the
practice that they should attend in plain clothes.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, addreising bar Majesty's Coun-
sel, laid, that be bad it no* in command 'from the House, to
enquire, whether they were prepared to prove the facts they
bad stated, respecting the obstruction to the attendance of the
Chamberlain of the Grand Duke of Baden, and General, Pin° ?
Mr. Dammam said, that with respect to' the case 'of the
Chamberlain Of Baden they were prepared ;• bat as to Ge-
' neral Pino all that they had relating to his detention, consisted
of correspondence.
Earl GREY observed, that since it appeared that no applica-
tion had been made to his Majesty's Ministers for -their assist-
ance in compelling the attendance of the Chamberlain of the
Grand Dulta of Baden, it might be proper to ask her Majesty's
Counsel whether they still considered the production of this
witness material to their case
The LORD CHA NCELLOR put a question to this effect.
Mr. Baoconasa answered that most unenestionahly they did,
and added, in explanation of their not having made application
to iris Majesty's Ministers fur their assistance to compel the at-
tendance of the Chamberlain, that it vas not above a day or two
since they" knew of 'the jnourrnountable obstacle interposed by
the Government of Baden. -
LAO LI VEA POOL saw no necessity for going into an eo-
illiniltlo23 all to the iitcr of the obstruction having taken lilac*,
since It was admitted that the King's Government had no
hand in
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought very diAfeuently.
The proposition of her Majcstys Counsel wasp that they ought
not to be called on to.produce any witnesses at all on her pat!,
on account cf the obstructions thrown in l r way, in pro:pring
their attendance ; and in support of It theyiliduced this instance
of oie obstruction at 13aden. It Was undoubtedly. conapefer t
for them to prove is at any stage Of :bete/bream then:de:lt:ed.
fiord DQlYOl,l9#XOlt$ c.omeabrett warmly of tiro )u.:
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putations and insinuations 'thrown out by her Majesty's UMW.,
sel against his Majesty's Ministers.
Lord -HOLLAND bast received a very different impression
from the'itatement of her Majesty's CoillSek, lie thought they'
had said Melting but what's 'regard to tiniest?* of their Illus-
trious Client called uptln Them to 'offer,- and fr•iros their Lord-
, ships' duty to heat whatever *WU the duty of-Oanniel to state.
• Lord -DO NOID Gll MORE
The LORD CUANCELLOk bad not, l'oplits charred
anytMng improper armed by her Majesty's Coma l• If he had,
he would have felt it to be his duty to stop'theoi. The cmly
thing is 'twiny of &donation of which he felt an inclination to
compLtin, consisted., not in anything they had said, hue in some.
thing which they had not said.' The Counsel for her Majesty
had stated, that" among other persons who had been kept bark
were some Lawyers, and fur what reason their Lordships could
easily geed —M iough).
After a few words from the Loan Cfriffantiu aii! Lard
Hou.ins, •
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' Jima 14ibigo was called to t.,:w Bar arid sworn. • • ....
- FasathiCd by. 1411'.Dmoran.
Are you Clerk to sir. Iflzord,Solieltor to her Majesty 7—Yes.
Were you sent by timmouninand of her Majesty to Carleruhe?
—I was.

On •wint' day ad yuliflitave DR/I=d ?..-Cks the lot of Sep-
tember. .... •
Oa wilt day did ?MaiWive at Cadasaast-i-On the 14th of
SepteMber.
Did you take witit you a least front kerltijesty, directed to
any one there? ..—I toaklealetterfromithe Queen,directed to the
Ch eyokel-lain of the Grand Duke et 'Baden.

When did you seethe Chamberlain ?—On the 17th September.
Had you any conversed.° avid, him ?—Yes. The first time
I raw him was en the road tetween Carlsruhe and Baden; and
• I talk him the object.of my looming was to request his attend-
awe in England upon this ocarina
Did you know that the Grind Duke was at Calsruhe it that
time ?•-•He was a Baden.
At what tune did the Grand Duke return to Carlsruhe?-0o
the _lst of September. 1 saw and spoke to the Chainherlain on
the subject otitis attendance In this countri, an the 110th.
Was the Chamberlain. willing to come? He was. - Did he
state, in the course of your conversation with.ftim, upon what-
candidata be Would come? He said-he could not come without
tilt consent of the Grand Duke.—Had you afterwards any can-
venation with him upon the subject at the Grand Duke's per-
mission? Yes. He toldane on the 2.3 d of Sept. that he had seen
the Grand Duke, and that he had refused to permit him to
come.-.-State the praderwords.
Here the Aeromar-Gionmst. interposed—what passed be.
tween the Grand Duke and the Chamberlain, could not be evi-
denceln this cage,
After some observhdons from the. Lord CHANCELLOR,
Mr. Daman, asked, . Did the -Chamberlain give• any other
reason for not coming ?—I am not aware that he did, he
said he enjoyed his Hanoverian estates, through his Majes-
ty's kindness, but that should not prevent him from coming,
for he svas satisfied that his Majesty would not think ill of him
for coming.
Did you Make any other application to the Chamberlain upon,
the subject ? I wrote a letter to him, requesting that he would
make his deposition before a legal authority, as to the grounds
of his refusal.

Did he do to ?—lle said the consent' of the Grand Duke
'ould be necessary ; without that he could not do. it.
Did you ace a person named Mandeville them ?-les.
Was he preseat at any period of this conversation ?—No.
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—Did'yoesay atrything-ii his presence relative to her Majesty?
No.
When did you return to this country?—The day before yes:
tesday. ' •
Do you know whether, during your stay at Carbrake, any
other person arrived from her Majesty?—Mr. Sicard was there:
You arrived cliedarbefore yesterday, so that if Government
bad been applied to,. anlaterval of twelve days must elapse be-
fore the arrival of the witness ?—Yes.

• Lord CI N whatlanytlage did this conversa-
tion take place s-In English, for the moat part, which he spoke
very well partly in French. •

PoloneLinlismy Ilutkr St. Leger was then mllcd in and sworn.
• . Eumined.by Mr. DPPEAL
Were you Chamberlain to her 'Majesty the queen 7--I have
had that rodeo. •
How long did you continue in that oface?—Eleven yeari,
from IMb to-October-ISI9M •
IXd you go abroad with her Majesty in 1814 3-1 went el far
as Bninswick ; her Majesty War gond•enough to dispense with
my farther attendeisce on her intended tour, on account of my
health. and of my Essay. •
. What
.tour de you allude to?—Her tour through Germany
and Italy.
Was that arranjensent understood before you left England 7-
-It was menderotond. • •
Did you, according to her Majesty's permission, leave her at,
Brunswick?—,recording to her permission I left her at Bruns-
wick ; her Majesty being ao - good u to say to me that I :night
return when I chose. .

In the course of the last year, 1810, did you receive any corn-
Municadon frotnher Majesty?-iTI received a communication in
July or August of lase•year, I do riots recollect which mouth, in,
forming me of her Majesty's intention to proceed to England in
the September following.
You did rtsceive such a communication froniter Majesty, and
what steps did you take in consequence ?—I proposed to to to
meet her at Dover, • • • • '
Has 'the state of your health since you left her Majesty at
Brunswick, permitted you to rejoin her seitet--The. state of
my health has been such as to base obliged me to go into the
southern part of England, into Devonshire, where I have lived
fot thelast five years, being entirely confined during the even-
ings of the winter months. . • •
Have you paid your respects to her Majesty since her return ?
-T-1 had the honour of paying my re:poets to •her Majesty im-
mediately on her argival.
Did you'relign your-once of -Chamberlain-N-1 did; in coop
sequence of my health and total inability to fulfil its chilies, I
'requested her Majesty to accept mrprevignation. : •
. The Coditiel in support of• the MR having declined asking
,glib witness. alio any questions, be was ordered to Withdraw.
-The Barret* Gwitrard was the. Pest witness named by the ";
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Counsel for her. Mojepty. '
His *Lbrciship rose in his place in the Howie, when the 14:0
Citaicritoa administered the oath.. His Lordship* was via-.
Dined by Mr. WILLIAM. • * *
Does yoir Lordship recollect being at Naples when. her Ma-
was y there ?—I recollect-going to Naples after her Majesty.
Me was already there when I arrived. •
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'About what time was it when you met her Majestrat Na-
jaks?-Iri the beginning 'of March, ISM-. - • .•
. Did any body accompany you to Naples ?—Tes.• •••
Who formid the suite•of her Majesty at that re-
paint)* the•Hodourable Keppel Crayon, Sir William Gel', and
11r. Holland, her Physician. Ido hot .remember all. .
Do you recollect sesing a person of the name of Bergami
recollect seeing 'that person. •
In what situation wive he?--As far as 'I can' ke.olleet he vest
fa the situatiou of a courier.

Ho* long did yon remain at Naplcs?Thrfe ortuur dogs,• •
Wai Lady Charlotte Lindsay with you at Naples, or did she.
join you afterwards ?--Shearthed at Naples with me. We
came trims l'rieVte to Andes.
Did she accompany you when you left Naples left NsideP
before her.. • •

Where did you-wet the Queen ?-r.At Rome,
Now (wig after you saw.iser at Napiesl-Tlt was.a.very limn
time after, about throe or four dup.
How long dik you wmaLo at. Rome with her Majtity ?—Not i
snore-than a few thy& -
Did you dine with •iser Majesty there?—,t Rome I think 1
.did.not ; I diaell'oris her Zdairsty once at Naples.
OLD.' recolkot who dhieu in company with you? ‘...:thcce7
WaP /I Iltaliderada puts iio4ll many EMeilih:

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Were there present any of the Trway befooging to the Chlit rt
'of Naplet?-4 do not remakes - •
Was Lady Charlotte Lighlay fattiest ?.-41hi'sras.
• ' Wab there4t Lady of the mane of Pelmet—l believe she
dined there. •
After leaving Rime, where did y.ou see her Majesty next /
At Civita Vecchia.
:You, I believe, embarked there for Genoa ?Yes.
How- long.did her Majesty remaie th re?—Five or six days.
Did your Lordship and Lady Charlotte Lindsay form a part
of her Majesty's party ?—.We dwelt hi the same house. •
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And diced at the same table?—Always.
Ms the Marche* de - Monza there ?-I"es ; he was the mas-
ter of the honse,-aod with 4e other persons of the family dine.i
with us.
..Her Majesty's suite • continued the same as was with her ut
Naples?—Yes, with the exception of Dr. Ilelland.
Kat not Mrs. Falconet, with two daughters, there ?-.-Stxe was.
What were the ages of these young Ladies ?-.-111ne wits ;bait
15 or 16 years of age, the other was younger.
.Do you know who Mrs. Falconet was?-TI did not know
Mrs. Falconet before. I understood she was either an Anieti-
can or English Lady ; her husband was a banker at Naples. .
•Wes he nut in a considerable line of business there ?—I un-
derstood so. •
Do you know whether Mrs. Falconet associated r. its the
lust people of believe with the highest mercantile
soder,.
Do you know whether her daughter married a Gentleman
holding a very considerable station in society?-She has two
cillughtirs married, one to an American .Gentleman, and the
other to a Mr. Portalles.
. Do you mean Mr. Portalkt, a considerable hanker In Swit-
laser usi ? —I do not know whether' he is the same.
Were these the same daughters who were with her Majesty
at Civita Vecchia?—No. There are two other daughters. .
Did they dipe at the table with her Majesty ?=Yes. •
You, I believe, embarked with her Majesty on board the
Clorinde did.
And did Lady Charlotte Lindsay ?—Yes.
Who else ?—Mrs. Falconct and her two daughters. . .
'Where did your Lordship and Lady Charlotte Lindsay dis-
embark ?-21t Leghorn.
From that time, I believe, a considerable interval took place
before you again saw her Majesty'--The next titne r.-er- her
Majesty was at the Villa d'Este' on the Lake of Como. •
Wire you then accompanied by Lady Charlotte Lindsay?;
No. • I sawler Majesty at that time first on the Lake, as I was
proceeding to the Villa d'Este to pay her my respects.
DM you dine with her h7ajeaty on that occasiond did. .
Was Bergami at table?. ...Yes.
Did you on your first visit stay longer than you intended /7r
No. I went away to Como, where I slept ; but on the Sunday
following, according to an-invitation, I dined with her Majestyl
at Milan. I was travelling about. • •
Was Bergami present on the second visit, on the following
Sunday ?—lie was.
From that time you bad no opportunity orseeing her Majesty
since ?—I had not.
• Mir. Witttaxs's examination concluded.

The LORI) CIIANCELLOR Melt his duty to apologize,
both to the Iknse and tO the Noble Lord who was under eta- •
miaation, in having omitted previotisly to state, that the privilege
wan to put the questions of Coonszl through. the Lord Chancel.
for to the Noble Lord. For the sake of convenience, the cldre
direct course was, in later times, introduced and permitted.
Cron-examined 4 the Kilg's Artonsurs-GeNzaat.
You have stated that when you saw her Majesty at Napßs,
Bergarni Was there-in the situation of a courier l—Yes. •
Did it hapPen'that he there wafted at tzblet-LI do not recol-

at Naple;, but certainly he did at Civita Vecchia.

• Did he on beard the Ckirinde 1-4 do narrow's:antler i be did
at Civita Vecchia, and I rather think he did.
Ladf Charlotte Lindsay was. a Lady of the nedchambtr to, •
• her Majesty ?—She vias.
When did she quit that situation b-;-In the month of - May,„
1817. •
She has net, I believe, been in her Majesty's suite since she
left her at Leghorn ?..She has not.
When you visited her Alajesty at the Villa d'Este, was theis
any Lady with her ?—There was; the Countess Oldi.
Wiwi) at the Villa d'Este, did you converse with that Lady b-
-I had some conversation with her.

What kind of Italian did she speak ; did you not observe that
she spoke the Patois?—She spoke very good Italian, • wah.a.
slight accent of Lombardy.
When you visited her Majesty at the Villa d'Este, did you
view the grounds ?—1 did.
• Had you a Greek or Albanian servant with you at the •ime?
—I had a Greek,
Did her Majesty accompany you in your walk over tise
grounds?--Her Majesty accompar.ied me. through the garden,,
and afterward lent me her donkey to tide tbropgh th. grounds.
What sort of a one was•it 2—lt was a jack-ass.
Do you recollect at what part of the garden your Lordship
:mounted her Majesty's donkey?-.-I mounted when Is left her
Majesty near her own door ; I then went over the olive grounds,
• Did you see her Majesty u you rode through the grounds ?
After I walked-with her Majesty, I did not see her in the
ground; again.
Havoyou never saki- that you saw your servant walking In
the grounds with her Itoyal Highness ?—With her Royal High-
pesse.-Certainly not.
-Aleut you ever said that jou saw your servant walking in the
grounds ?—! do sot rec.opeet that I. saw him walking; tilde
were many persons walking; he might be among them. •
Do yoe:recollect saying that you saw him ?—No, I never did.
Do.you recollect a grotto 2—Yes, very well. ' •
Do pots recollect having ever said the t Top saw her Royal,
Highness and your servant in the grotto?—Certainly nut.
I Nor near the grotto 2:—No.
• Will you say that you never said you saw them walking togs.,
shah the grounds ?—I do not recollect ever saying so. I may
have pit that my servant • •
• Eller Majesty's Counsel interposed, and the, answer was vet
allowed Vis be received as aides:m.l
Had you Lordship been used' to riding am not a great
rider; oaks rode the donhey.
Did her Royal Highness ask you to tide ?,,She did.
Vhese was yOur servaitrat.the time 2-1 suppose In the house,
or in the groilfids. • . • • :
Hovr,long did he remain N your service 2—He remained until
the yetar lalft' when I dticharged him at Venide.

sc-errimineri Ey Mr. 7‘111.-DALL.
Does your Lordsdip recollect the size of the garden?--It, is
not very large: It i4as the ordinary size of an Italian garden.
, Do you know the number of acres?-0h dear me, no.
When you saw her Royal Highness and Be_rgatul .together,
aid your Lordibip observe any impropriety *lithe part of her
Iloyat Highness?,
The King's Amonnav-thomnaz objected to the question al
1241 Milos out oethetcross-ezamination.
Mr. 131101:01AM said he thought it arose out of the question;
put in the cross-examieation, as to the presence of Berg:Md. He
ibmild pet,. however; persist ; it was sufficient that it was pie
and objected to by the Contrail In support of the Bill. ,
R.rensiturqotsranshied by the ragas. -
Vord ROUS.—When the Noble laird saw the Princess on
the Lvlre of Como', was tiny rersou_with ht r '
Was these any other person in the boat?—Ns.
Earl Gli.R.Y...Whett the Noble Lord .taw her lioy:JI High-
ness,.Beiganti being present, did he remark any improp:itty of
conduCt or famitiaiiry pass between thetn?.—No; cettainly
Your I.oraship 'having' stated' tbat the Countess OA.Ir• spoke..
good ltaiian, with .a plight'accent of Lombardy, did you obs.re
anything retnarkahle.th the I..uty.?-7I did E,ut observe anything
very remarkable.
What were.your torilship'i observations as to her mianners?
—My impression,of her manners was, that she was perfectly in-
offepsine, , rep modest,. aid nothing particularly vorgar ; I do
not recollect when I comeersed with her that I felt any imptto.
01403 .of hot Wog a- vulgar .women.
- Did jou observe any awater4l difere,ca betwein the Coqnte.a.

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