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London, England, 1804-07-05 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

A Mins brassie op far the compeolition of camas Proprie-
• tars of Lead at Wedanbech, in the eionty of Northampton, for
waft Lands that had been applied to the Me of his Majdty's
Ortinarar, which was read a Selt dm, sod ordered to be rod s
Inowid time waterrew.
The Crafts Ordeance Mares read a fecond dew lad aola.
el to be comittad trimmer.
Sir }OHN SUSCLAM we sedating on litt&l ha mold tab-
Mr.
to the Ha* a abodes Make to he of Saits
Ur. PILAUCIS waved, that there bo hid Were the t= an
meow ef *mho elide:l4W reedved by Goverment tress
the !at hails Orogsay, with the Mereft on it. which was me-
waft* erderod.
Calm. STAXLET prebend the Moms taken by the Cara-
admit es the Faddism of the Calm Printers,which an the Bastion
ads Measswebk Gendema, were ardsrod to the an the Tibia
VII to bs adated.
The Hoofs than went Isto a Commletee an Lady Meanies%
Ilarvaky DA d which do Ream was ordered to be reelved to.

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STANLEYobjeaed to the nacafurefts ham
kg a moodier Modestly pithom oaring any news&
mintage. This BRI, he thought, Mama of dishillk
kg estiol•lents a tendessey to multiply difpotes bon
twee the mash and die jesesomen. It would have
• tendency loprevent am of y frogs embark's*
s the leads, which woad rove.pernicious
to the weavers Ihemfdves. If they might judge kens
die loosibiag lime ef the trade, so new regulation
was accelkry. When be bed fug the bostour to fir
is that limes, that manufalture Wrought up only 55
mafioso of pounds of cotton annually. whereas the
elortity stow required was not lefs than 56 millions,
winch was a falicicat mold the flowißting Rate of
the Mole. Ha was afraid, therefore, that any new
regulations inlaid of improving Might retard its
tads. Bbonld difputes arife between the journey..
men and their malters, as mu* no doubt be foam-
times the cafe, doors difpotes might, without any
danger, continue to be fettled as formerly. They
had hitherto been fettled at a very reafonable expense
by the authority of the Magiftrates, and moll fre
uendy, be believed, in favour of the men. The
bit Gentleman argued befides, that by far
theireater number of the weavers were perfectly fa-
tided with thins as they now flood, sod even did
sot know that any fuels 'stature was going forward.
He concluded by giving his negative to the motion.
Hr. ROSE went into a detail of the circumflances
that gave rife to the Bill of ,Soo, relating to this tub-
led. That Bill had either been defective in its pre..-
.Mons, or its regulations had not been put in prac •
tree. A Petition the year following had been re-
lented to the Houle from the journeymen, prating
that the regulations adopted by the Bill, might be
put in force, and lag year they had come forward
*lto with another Petition of a (moiler nature. The
Committee to which this Petition had been retested,
bad come to a refoliition that a Bill &mild be brought
in to make thofc regulations effective, but the Stilton
was fa nearly at a dote, that this refolution could
toot be conveniently carried into effect, and the pre-
form Bill therefore had been rubmitted to the Houle
lot that porrk. The mailers themfelves, he hated,
bad complamed that they were aggrieved by the Bill
of shoo, as the men were allowed the feleelion of ar-
bitrators in cafes where difputes might Hifi. This
10 Dm therefore to provide agaiall filch complaints,
as well as againit thufe of the men. By the prefent
PAU. neither of the parties had the nomination of the
orbitraton, but the Jolliet, of the Peace were to be
welled with this privilege. The Bill, the Right Ho-
Oollrabk Gentleman argued, was not propofed as a
saw snearare, but merely as a means of rendering an
old one effettnal.
Mr. FRANCES thought, that the Hon, Member
("poke (Col. Stanley) had Rated a very important
fad, which ought to have great influence with the
Hoak. He bad told them, that the trade had made
wary rapid progrefs, and had given them the data en
which be founded this affertion. But it was impor-
able that anyjnanufaitory could flourdh to fuels an
aztent, ante& it bad been properly condulted, and
mach lets if its regulations were hollile to its prolpe-
rity. He argued, therefore, that the prelent exilling
r:gulatioss were fulficient for every porpofe, tither
neeerny or expediency. The profperity of the
saanufatlure was the bell proof that every thing was
going on well, and they ought to be cautious not to
interrupt this profperisy by any unneceirary mcafute.
He did not think it at all neceffery, in re and to any
difputes that might elite, to interfere with the autho.
city of the Magittrates, or to take the, right of fet-
tling loch difputes out of their hands, in order to put
ii into the hands of others.
The divifion .was then called for, and the Gallery
cleated, when there appeared for the motion 27, and
againfl it 8, excinfively of the Tellers.
The Hours having returned, the Report was or.
dcrcd to be received to-morrow.
Mr. HUSK ISSON brought up the Report of the
Foreigners' Enlitiment Bill.
On the quettion that the Amendments be read a re-
cond time,
Mt. MOORE role, he laid, to trouble the Ijoufr
with a few ntifervations on the Bill before them, not
with any hope lie entertained, conlideling the Rate of
the Houle and the Rage of the Bill, of 'nailing its
progrcfs, but with a view only to cafe his own n•ind
by a confeientious difeharge of his duty, io entering
his folemn proteß againfk the Bill and the principle it
implied. It was founded on the fame principlc,l,e
that had been c, ntended for by the Right 11•.0.
Chancellor of the Exchequer, in the year 179. i, on
the landing of the HeMan troops on the lee of Wight,
though then thki.tiraged by aimoll catty one of his
colleagues, than it was unconilitutional to introduce
Foreign Troops, independently of the content of
Parliament, as a pat t of his Mtjefi y't prerogative.—
The majority of the Hoare on that or:cation fupportr,

ed the !mature, but ice effeft was fuch as to incur the
difapprobation of the country at large. It was in
oppofition to the fpitit of the Conllitution, and of-
fered to it, he conceived, a revere wound. The pre-
fent Bill, he argued, was precifely of a fimilar na-
tut e, and went to fecond a precedent which had been
fo unhappily permitted to exit. The Hon. Member ,
Paid he would not enter minutely into the Bill, but he
would repeat the queftions that were put yederday
to Minillers by his Hon. Friend on the fame bench
(Mr. Francis). to which he bad now tome hopes of
lan anfwer. bid this meafure, he Biked, originate in
the Privy Council, and why did not this Bill, in the
itfual form and language of fuch Bills, Rate that his
Majefty, in this, afted by the advice and with the
content of his Privy Council? The bell means, he
thought, of removing objeitions, was for the Gentle-
men oppofite to give an explicit anfwer. The Hon.
Gentleman then confidered the Bill as a rotator. of
State, but no cafe had been made our, he raid, to thew
that it had any foundation, either in neceliky or in
found policy. He was not furprife,i, however, that
there grounds bad not been retorted tn, as it could
not have been maintained on any of them, without
admitting that the prefent force of the country,
amounting to above 800,000 men, was inadequate to
its defence, and that to our difgrace we were to have
recourfe to foreign mercenaries. The introduflion
of foreign force into the country was not only tm-
conftitutional, but dangerous, he argued, in the ex-
Sterne. In order to induce the Houfe more eafily to
coolest to the routine, they were told in the Bill
that thole troops were Hanoverians, and therefore
fable& of the fame fovereign as ourfelves. This,
however, he contended was not the cafe. The refute
and (cum of Germany—at any rate, according to the
bell of his information, the number of Hannverians
did not exceed syoo, which was inconilderable when
compared to the whole number propofed. They
would be little to be depended on, he argued, in any
farina trial. He complained that the Bill, notwith
*snag its importance, had not been printed for the
ufe of the Members. This ontiffion, he laid, and the
tin more important ovnifflon in the preamble of the
Bill to which he had before alluded, completely fixed
on the meafore the charatfter he had given it.
The Honourable Gentleman then requeßed the
Houfe to look to the condua of Ireland on a fimilar
occafion in 1779. When Lord Harcourt offered the
Cervices of 4,000 foreign troops in room of a greater
number that had been draughted to America, though
Proteßants, they were rejeded by the Parliament of
Ireland, who declared that they v °old accept of no
foreign help, as they felt competent to defend them-
(elves, or if not that they were not worth defending,
and this too was at a culls of danger when the com-
bined fleets of France and Spain, to our great alio-
&fitment, were in poffeffion of the channel. Inflcad
of relying on foreigners, 50,000 Volunteers on that
occafion prefented themfelves for the defence of their
country, and were wifely trufled by the then Mi.
niftry of England. This confidence, the refult of
neceffity in England, was, neverthelefs, gratefully re-
ceived in Ireland, and from that moment leffened the
difratisfaition that then prevailed in that country.
He begged the Houle to contrail the effeCts of a well-
placed confidence with the effetts of a tyllem of r!-
hellion that had lately been ton prevalent in Chat
country. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by
proteßing warmly againil every principle that went
to encourage the introduaion of Foreign Forces,
without the previous content of Patliament, as un-
sionliitutional and illegal.
The Amendments were then read a fecund time,
and ordered to be read a third time tomorrow.

1111614 CIFF•11111$.

Mr. SMITH, from the tzebegoer OSee a Ireland, prefented
ao atdrat of the headed debt of Ireland.

On the 'patios Istin4 pot that the accounts &Geld be printed,
Mr. CORRY role to beg the attention of the Houfe
for a few minutes. He complained that eettainflate-
ments had been made on a former evening by the
Right Honourable Gentleman oppofite (Mr. Foder)
which went to attach blame to the late adminidration
of Ireland. He was far from thinking that the Right
Honourable Gentleman had intended any mike.
prefentation, but at the fame time the flatements he
had made were far from being corred, and the Houle,
he was afraid, had been induced to draw from them
conclufmns very unfavourable both to himfelf and to
the government of Ireland. From the nature of the,
fiatements that had been laid before them they mull
srave drawn inferences very remote from the midi.
He by no means imputed to the Right Honourable
Gentleman a with Cu produce this effete, nor did he
throw any obflacle in his way to the office that he
undernond he would loon be publicly announced to
occupy ; but he withed to vindicate Lord Haidwicke
and others, and to thew that they were not liable to
the imputation that the flatements he alluded to
really bore. The Right Honourable Gentleman then
at great length went into a minute view of the vari-
ous flatements that the Right Honourable Gentle-
man had made on a preceding night, in regard to a
decreafe in the Irith Revenue, and the great balances
in the hands of the collefb'rs. He dented that the
revenue was much diminifhed, or that the balances
in the hands of the colleaors were great in the man-
ner that had bean reprefented. An imprefflon had
been made on the Houfe that above half it million re-
mained in the hands of the colleftors which ought to
have been received : it would therefore be nectlfary '
for him to Rate to the Houle the nature of thole boo
lances. In general, he Rated, that the balances were
not cafh received, but charges that had not yet been
available. Many of the balances, he Paid, arofe from
infolvent a , and argued that fuch a would
happen independently of the bell regulations The
Right Honourable Gentleman then adverted to the
debt of Ireland. He argued, that this debt had
been neceffarily increafed lately owing to the impor-
tant and necelfary war in which we were engaged.
Very ennfiderable additional eapences had been oc-
calioned, not only by preparations againfl a foreign
enemy, but by providing alto again! the defigns and
machinations of furls at home as had been infatnated
enough to contemplate the overthrow of the Govern.
ment. Other estraordinay erpencea alto bad been
incurred liy winding up the Vain*, and by the cow-
that had been judged necedary to fuch as
hid suffered br that measure. He adverted alto to
the Nate of the Revenue, and attempted to account
for the apparent decreafe, a. it floodlit the ttatement
of the Right Honourable Gentleman. Dining the
troubles in Ireland the newts had been ealiatined and
the watehoufea kft completely empty ; upon the re-
( turn of tranquillity, thercfoie, a glut deal of is

portation toot place, whiCh added very winch' to tie
revenue of that year. He could ant but confider it,
however. as unfair to compare a year of this defcrip-
lion with the one following, in which lets importation
even than ufual would be neceffary, for the purpore
of pointing out the decreafe of the revenue. He had
intended, he faid, to bring forward a mature relat-
ing to the Abfentees from Ireland, which would have
been produBive, he flattered himfelf. of confidemble
advantage to the revenue, but certain circumikances
had occurred that had prevented him from putting
his defign in execution. He concluded by declaring.
the fatisfadion he would have in regaining the good
opinion of the Houle' which he thought mull have
been forfeited by the flatements which he had now
attempted to corral. The Honourable Gentleman
then moved That there be laid before the Houle a
copy of the report of John Crotchet., Efq. giving an
account of the proceedings of the Surveyor-General
to the Commiffioners of the Cnßoms and Excife to
ilka, as alfo to the Ltcß period that can be made
out.

On the qualioti being par,
Mr. FOSTER rofe, in reply to the Right Honour-
able Gentleman who bad fat down. If, from the
ftetements he had made, inferences had been drawn
that were not agreeable, he could not confider himfelf
as accountable. He had fisted the balances in the
bands of the collators according to the title under
which they had been returned. He had (fated them
according to the documents put into his hands ; he
was therefore jullifiable if he claffed them under the
general title, as the items were not mentioned. He
contended that from the very face of their own pa-
pers, there mug be blame attached fomewhere.—
Could they have abed rightly, he allied, if from a
fum of 2,5ci0.000L they allowed gco,ocol. which was
one-fifth of the whole, to Rand back unpaid ? He
did not mean to throw reflation on any individual,
but meant only to Rate what he apprehended to be
the cafe, that the money was detained, in progrefi,
from the pockets of the fubjeit to the Exchequer,
contrary to law. He again repeated, that what he
had Rated he believed to be true, and that the parti-
cular accounts would come before the Houle next
felLon, when it would be feen whether be had been
miftaken or not.

Mr. FRANCIS declared that the quellion relat-
ing to thefe balances was more furprifing to him
now than it ever was before. When the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman made his ftatemcnt on that
point, it appeared very unfavourable to another
Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Corry). He
took that llatement as a charge againft the Govern-
ment. But the explanation (ince given by Mr Corry,
-if correft, was completely fatisfadory. From that
it appeared the rums were not in the Colleaora'
hands, but were to be colleted. How was the
Houfe ever to be informed upon thisfie ? Were the
fume adually, or ought they to be, in the Collec-
tor's hands ; or was it, that they were not yet pay-
able ? If the Gentlemen of England were not in-
formed on this fad, they would go oat of the Houfe
much diffatisfied. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man did not give a fatisfaaory anhrer. •
Mr. FOSTER /aid, what be meant to contend
was, that every farthing of anean mentioned in the
paper before the Houfe, ought to have been collid-
ed, and in the Treafury of -Ireland ; that the arrears
outftanding were thole which ought not to hoe.
been fuffered to lie out. This was all be could fay
at prefent ; there were various items in the balance,
which would be laid before the Houle and might be
examined hereafter ; upon thee he would give
every information in his power ; but he could not
fay any thing more on the fubjeft, till all the accounts
were laid before the Hnufe.

Mr. HAWTHORNE laid, that in order to be
fatisfied whether the balances were aetually in the
hands of the Collednrs, he applied to a Right Ho.
nour able Friend of his, who was Secretary to the
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and from him he had
learned, that a month's credit was given for the pay.
meat of the duties on Excite ; but that the Collec-
tors were charged with the money for that time, al-
though they could not have received it. This was
the reafon wny to much money appeared to be in
their hands. He hoped this Ratement would remove
any impredion that might have been made unfavour-
able to the Government of Ireland ; and that thofe
who bad fuppofed her to be, from the flatements of
the Right Honcurabe Gentleman, in a finking Rate,
would now entertain a different opinion.
Mt. FOSTER denied his having ever laid that
Ireland was in a finking Rate; on the contrary, he
had declared that, by *feat efforts, the was capable
of nett letting all thofe difficulties.

The moan of Mr. Cony was then agreed to.
Mr. CORRY then moved, that there be laid be-
fore the Honfe, a copy of all the general orders it-
fued by the Cummiflmers of Eseile, &c. in IrelAnd,
fines 'Soo, fur the better eollettion of the revenue.—
Ordered.

Mr. HUSKISSON obtained leave to bring in a
Bill for appointing Commiffinners fnr the better car-
rying into circa the Property Tall A 49 of lall year.
He alfo obtained leave to bring in a Bill to explain
and amend feveralAftsrelAting to Hackney Coaches
employed au &age Coaches.