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its asking him a question, had quoted
by mho' Members. The Hon. Member
had more particular's' alluded, although
Under Secretaties'of State, was also, it
lected, the representative of a very
County, and it would, in these Ciretienst
bard ;apron him to-beheld responsihieur.boood
trice implicitly in whatever statementi might fall from that
Hon. Member. When the Hon. Gentleman asked him
if he had any distinct plan to propose, he thought his
over good sense might have suggested the answer. He
had- no great confidence in any plan which could be
proposed either by himself or- fa y. other person. He
had certainly taken the opportunity of stating his senti-
meets open the great public question; which had recensly
engaged their attention, but he certainly had nit aicorn-
ponied that statement by any espressions implying indif-
trrenee to the welfare or tranquillity of Ireland. He had
diligently attended theC Arnrnittee on the State of Ireland,
• and was deeply sensible of the importance of its enqui
Mil; • Wit he did not see that the Hon. Member bad
• My eight to call u, on him for anything more explicit•
s.lhan the general statement that whenever he had any
me •ser e td propose, lie would give due notice of his i ,ten-
lion to the House. It was obvious that if he had any plan
- in cootemplation, nothing could be so likely to defeat it
as a premature disclosure. He would, therefore, re-1
(rain from saying anything as to' a distinct plan, and
confine hithself to the general avowal of his disposition
to give the iubject his,mostearoest attention.. Whilst
upon his legs, he, would mike the opportunity of ad-
verting to some obsereiiiong which had, he understood,
. been made by the Hots. Menthes Else I,ondondhtry, on
the ease of a person of the name of Sheehan, who bad
been imprisoned for an assault upon Mr. O'Cottnell.'
Upan'this subject he should only say, that Governinent
reposed the greatest confidence upon the Lord Limns.
nant, and that in all such cases it was the practice to
Wee him to the exercise of an unfettered discretion.
Alb bad no knowledge of 'the particular circumstancel,
• ofilsis case, but he had the fullest conviction that his
:,11ecellency had recommended the individual to the
eserey of the Crown, not from any personal considera:
;lions, but from an earnest desire to administer impartial
t" tad substantial justice—(Hear, hear).
Mr: 0. GRATTAN repeated. that MA west the kared" be
Dub*, where the motor bad caused vet? sismilleathbatergehe.
Mr. Secretary PEEL could only say, that dish bad boom* des
perms, whatever treat the estalatisbed rale *the case tO whelk
the Hen. Member lad allotted.
• Mr. POSTMAN hoped, that although no plan ma at poittot
vestamplated by Government for the purpose of ellaylne them&
a( Deland, some measure would shortly suggest itself to his
+thee, Moisten, by which Ireland would be benelitted.—The litre
tkici, which was from Shoelford Vests, was the* brought et
MA road. It prayed dart no farther rem essions might be made M
the Simms Catholics.
Gemini HART presented a Petition from different Parishes la
• thireosety of lionstel, to the same effect. a ,
Mr. BERRA 1., not seeing the Right Hon. the Secretary eli
• Staff for Fortrits"Alfairs in his 'thee, was iodated to apply to the
/screwy far ihk Colonial Department, to threw whether _
meal bed received curses of the ads fora, and &boo* saillsilis
or any other documents relating to ha Government of the hued
of Hayti or St. Destingo? 11 I.
'hoe. WILAIQT-111ORTON. had no obieatimiAteibmileh _the.
• Hos. lidensioth with thildociatems he sesethlonedpA theevisid
arrived it theCobstlia Other. . • •••, .i• • •
•• Lord iiIiRINGtQN premised I redder gran liessali
• Catholic lobabitems of the Pariah of Cranberry, in she Gassy Of
Waterford, praying for the resseral of Catholic disabilities
Mr. HUMS presented a Peebles from thi Seseassmf. lath
• Mields, praying for a Nelda -if the C.artilithollisid
Visited. . .•
HUAIB moved tint tit Intinbk Addrrthbei lidellthint tblb
• Majesty, regoestiut that theme neigh he talel bellarpthi Haber as
moms* of the miMhers of .the population of Oppirisd Lower
naiads acenrdhur to the Ire teams, distitsraishist the nurshiesit
Ames Catbobet. Presbyterians, meadows of the•Cloweis et Neg.
bad. end pima of tither religious persoadesy as far at
, mull be snide up.Agrieed to.
• • • $e i. moved for a Retire at the stmembed by
• miessoseat is breed for the support of Hospitalemod Dhpen.
• series, during the ha year, distlagubbing the Cuunties.--.Ordered.
• Mr. HA N COCK promoted a Petition Cram several Inhabitants.
of the Mem of Athlone, complaining that a parson of the *sate al
• Mantissas bad procured a Petition to be presented to that ifouae.
• 'deporting to be sighed by dam, the signature of their names to
• Out Petition baring bees forged.
Mr. HUMS hoped that the Honourable Member, If he could
subsea/sista the allegations of this Petition,would move to call this
to the Bar. lie• had himself en imposed bra by a
C er:edee Perkins. rellecUng on the character of an individual. trlthili
be bad presented to the House. Persons who offessded is %Mewl*
merited the severest puniskaseet the House could Indiet.
After a desultory mavvesatiers, in which several Honourable
• Membees took a part,
' . Mr. HANCOCK seceded to the seggestiott of the Right His,
0 entleinan'(pir. W. Wray), sad gave:sada that he should Melt
• tondo the Peebles to a Committee to-morrow.
Lord 0. CAVENDISH parseated a Peebles from Lismore, is i
Devonshire. praying he pmetwales to Agriculture.
. Mr. A. DA WSOE.pmeented Petitions from several Parishes In
the Comity of Lash, for lbetaminral of Catholic Disabilities.—Lid
• • err the table. ' •
The mama Ham. Mesa pee nallee..bat ea Mooday Pest be
Amid present the Peticinifof thiChinty of Law! lathe same effect.
Mr. Iff•ILMOT.111011TOWlempoled h i seetien far Wye to
• heirs in 'a HUI tofissielliate tree Skye Rees of Jamaica earn the
• of Aril.

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Barbadoes, and expressed the °pinups that the inipanity
afforded to the former offender* hulled to the excesses
he had described. Upon thr, Thole' however; he con-
sidered the state of society Vii' Jnitnalea to be superior
to that in Barbadoes. He klistetb be had not, in the
muse of histsbiervationsokid anythirtg calculated to.
blame the passions of tiny party.. lie should• cos.
Wilde by moving, that 4 Cope be laid before the House
if any dispatches which had iirrivett ' _might arrive,
as
to an attack upon the h •
the Wesley
isMsionary at Jamaica on CbOi a ras Day last. . • •
Mr. WILMOT.HORTOM said that' no dispatellde
bid yet been received upon the subject. The Hotuntad
Learned Gentleman would Here's • a more sound disc*
tide had he waited to see whether the local iuthoritiet ha*
not been taking measures to afford redress. The HMIs
ad Learned Gentleman did not quote any partieufar
words or phrases of the Sermon of the Rev. Mr. Bridges.
She tendency of which, as he stated, was to excite to deeds
of violence. This was the characteristic attributed ant
only to the first but to the second sermon. It would Uot
be (Po much to say that he considered it a matter of very
great doubt whether a Clergyman *told act in such.
a manner. It must not he supposed that there was
lay inclination on the part nif the Authorities to thew
dilrespect towards the Missioaries. .01 the contratyi.
be Mond that the members thensielees of the Missioodry
fleeing expressed their obligations for the acts of dis-
interested kindness they experie ced from the Mattis-
trims, for the disposition they observed in them to It.-
tivard the progress of morality and religion. He trusted
- at the same disposition prevailed. The House, these.
fore, would do right to suspend their opinion until
tbey knew more upon the sobect. He felt it impossi-
ble to believe that the atrocities went to the extent
;mentioned. At all events, it must be the wisli of every
person that justice Should overtake the i ffenders. Even
though the statement of the lion. and Learned G -ode-
Man should betorrect in all its pats, they had no right
to conclude that it was an indication of a gene: al feel.
it% •of hostility. He trusted this would twit not. if
true, to be a mere in ulitod instance. the H .n: Gentle-
man himarif admitted that General C,x wsis not back-
ward in his efforts to disoover and bring the offenders
to justice. When discovered, he trusted they would
meet With •condign punishment. With relpect to the
individual, Mr. Bridges, he never heard anything of an
objectionable rature attribu ed to his cba:acter. Redid
not mean to justify the quotation id reference to that
highly respectable individual, Mr. Wilberforce, but be
biliev:d Mr. Bridges felt himself aggrieved at the time.
He did not mean to offer this its justilcatiOn. The
Hittite must, however, have au-authentic copy of • his
ierston befote.the'y could fairly
.dome• to a conclusion
bit the subject. if it shoultapjlearilliten the dispatchel
.aifired, that all had not done which the crcotn.
..•
. Of es of the case tequireaLthen would be the fit tinge
for kther proreedings:.,',. ', •
Mr. F. BUXTON said dii-Iteis. tientlensan (Mr. W. Heiton)
seemed to be at opinion tbarilee Rey. Mr. Bridges walla* capable
el pas tech language as diMartruseiett to Wm. He believed he
Welilibew that dwdilegweitet emir pasiiiis, but very Piwbaltki
IS, direct mule* emy wkb, his previous conduct. He begged
if 'Ulf the Hon. Oontensaa's at elation 4a few clrenntstances
flibiih hp should mention. In the year Ifirli, Mr.'Wftberfotte
slibliehed a pamphlet, in .which, be complained that mardagir hail
•iraystisced among the Iliamsittjamaica. This Oestleman,
pa Stiglies, rued at the impuratioa, publish 4 an answer to the
1. which be denied, in the mow entente manner, the troth
tetleeptoposhion laid down by Mr. the.
lib wards were.
Ass friend to trothand jastimand from my ems personal expe-
-1 tell you your statements art issecsraiss and your facts Wee.
=lf married, is my own pati4t, within the last two years, 315
iimeN4
" Now, at the date of writing this, the disinterested Mr. B.
`ersiblenself a stave owner; and by Returns laid upon the table, it'
appeared that be had takes credit for eightrals couple when be
never startled, In place of being encouraged by their numb es
warty, IS Mr. Bridges stared, the fact was that all these placeless;
leers got asp for the very purpose of having an answer ready to the
ohne brought by Mr. Wi bet force. Not a single marriage bad
taken plate the preceding year, and only one in lihts.
. Mr. W. WYNN would appeal to the good seise of the Honour.
able Gleefentan, whether it was right to go lira such a Siscaselan
as this upon a motion ‘fur the production of papers respecting an
outrage said to hive been committed? His Honourable Friend
(Mr. Wihnot.ilorion)intermed the House that no dispatches had
been received upon the subject; and thee the Honourable Gentle-
man proceeded to prove the probability of the conduct attributed to
Mr. Bridges, from certain meats made by hint iu answer to a
pamphlet of Mr. Wilbet Atm.
Mr. F. BUXTON expressed his readiness to decline, at present,
any further obeertations on the subject.—The motion was agreed to.

fa*
4 to peatal6Weion-- s be
-egged tn all motives of a personal nature.
In this, as in do former motion,- his only object wits to
do what he etareived to be a public duty. No person
could be Getter employed as a Member of that Houses
thaw in endcavonriag to remedy the abuses with which
the hew abounded in every department. It wasrhowever;
a difficult matter to draw the attention of the House to
lauch subjects. An attempt had been made in 1818 to in-
quire into the abuses of prosecutions, under the &VW
and Customs, but it met with little encouragement. A
Return had lately been made of the int.amations filed
in the Court of Exchequer, under the Costorns alone
Whatever might be said by the Hon and Learned
Gentleman (the Attorney General), or by any other
Learned Gentleman, if they were 10 repeat it a thousand
times, he must. still continue of opinion that even a
lawyer would have no objection to put money into lasi
pockr, whatever might be the inconvenience of litiga
tion 16 the parties. It appeared that from 1820 se'
1826 the number of informations fled under the cus-
toms. was 719. They were filed for the purpose el
recovering penalties amounting to 580,1361. The
(Ifoese would be astonished to bear that no more 'hob
221 of these actions had been attended with wny• pee*
shire result: .the.raititainder of the cases were peodu
of .nothing. bet lees to the. lawyers, an/ the *
amount recovered was no more than 25,7891. itteati.j
much did the House think had come into the pebile
coffers of ill rim sum ? The mists paid •by the
Crown for the recovery-of those penalties amounted
to $4,4481. bang about one thousand pounds more
than the total money recovered—( Hear). He said,l
it was a scandal to the country that attorneys should bet
allowed to fulniinate their writs of subpmna, and bringl
persons into their Courts without tesponsibility, and
without any wit of cont.ol. In one case where actions
had been brought to recovet penalties am, tinting to
6001. the expenses in costs were 2701. and there were
after wards a compromise for 60s. He thought these
facts proved the necessity of instituting some
It was a fact capable of proof, that persons were dis-
patched to all parts of the tour try, for the purpose of
entrapping innocent tradespeople into the prchase of
some contraband article, and then, having 'lWated the
crime, subratnas were issued by these persons in t ace,
and prosecutions were carried on bombe iufamous pur-
,poses of their own personal advantage. This being
done, other emissaries were employed to persuade
these poor people to make application to the B-ard of
Excise, so that by some clement indulhence to be pro
cured for them, they might be saved 'rem total min._
Dr the returns for which he should move, and to the
production of which he could anticipate no objection,
they should see the B.lls of the Solicitors, if any Bills
'there were, and then it w. old be known who were the
prosecutors in these cases. The Hon. Member moved
tor +, Copies of all Bills of Costs paid by the Crown on
various informations Sled in the Court of Etchequer for
the recovery of penalties un !et the Customs Laws." A
I list of ca-es was annexed to the motion.

.Tbe CISANGELLOR of . the EXCHEQUER said
that it was difficult to say, off hand, whether the.
Motion of the Ho.. Member was proper to be granted
or nor, when be made a particular-selection of cases
without suiting his reasons for doing so. He should
not, however, object to it,• if any person thought
a reasonable courser. It would appear to 'him the
fairer mode to take the first dozen cases from the re.
turns, and if. the Hon. Member's motives and objects
were such as he de.cribed them to be, he mutt take
ate to dissent • from the immeasured language in which
the Hon. Gentleman had vilified the whole Board of
Customs, whom he bad represented as being combined
ia one monstrous jsb for their own benefit. If be bad
not applied such language to all the Board, be bad cer-
tainly charged the Solicitors with the base motives of
isicituting prosecutions for their own erTholumedt. Did
not the Hon. Member know that within the last three
years the Solicitor of the Customs had not been paid
by fees, and that the number of prosecutions made not
the least diffArce in his income, which was limited to
1150(1. as the utmost he could receive if he were •to in-
stitute all the prosecutions the ingenuity or malice of
man could devise. He must therefore say, that it was
• monstrous calumny for the Hon. Member to impute
to that Gentleman such dirty and scandalous motives.
Mr. BURRELL said, be thought it a hardship upon
persons charged with smuggling in the county of Susset,'
or any. other distant place, that they should be seat to
London to be tried in the Court of Eschequer. • The
consequence was, that being generally poor persons,
they had no means of bringing witnesses in their defence.
He understood that they were frequently advised to
suffer judgment to go by default, and then, after suffers
jog perhaps a year's imprisonment, they were required
to find securities for their future good conduct. As
nobody would become security for them, they were left
to Confinement tor life, or until it pleased the Aube&
ties to order their liberation.
c' The ATTORNEY GENERAL sa:d; it was the
opinion of many intelligent persons in the county of
Sussex, that caves of smuggling could not be fairly tried
in that county, so much were the inhabitants addicted
and accustomed to that (Ilene, against the laws. It
was known to every man who engaged in smuggling
that he must be pied in the Court of
.Exchequer, sad
therefore no wrong was done him. He never heard of
lane case in which a man so tried complained of having
been taken by surprise. The Hon. Member who bad
beets so careful to remove from hiluself the suspicion of
any motives but those of the highest honour, bad not
been sparing of his calumnies upon the conduct of the
Solicitor of the Customs, but which bad bees so com-
pletely rebutted by the statement of his Right Hon.
F. lend. He wished the Hon. Gentleman's motion were
so shaped as to she* the comparative number of pro
secutions in which verdicts bad been plied, and of
those which had failed.
Mr. bERNAL said, that every one who knew the
very respectable Gen;leman who held the office of So-
licitor to the Customs, must be aware that he was
wholly incapable of the conduct, the imputation of
which had rather existed, as he thought, in the imagi•
nation of the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer,
(than in the Langone which had fallen from his Hon.
Friend the Member or Colchester. He was of opinion,
that there was great eppreuion in the application of the
Suite Laws somewhere or other. It appeared by the
returns befogs the House that the sum lost to the country
in seeking to recover penalties under these laws, in the.
year 1826, was 4901. If the same rule were applied

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