Star.
London, England, 1820-10-19 00:00:00

auy remorks on the evidence offered yesterday, know-
ing that they will peruse it with attention, and not
without surprise—if anything can surprise them that
may now be brought to light respecting the wicked
conspiracy against her MAJZSTIG
The report of this day is, that it is understood
within the House, that the Bill will not be pressed to
a division, bat in some manner got rid of; and that
aniAddress will be proposed to the Kino, stating,
that their Lordships base examined the charges
against the QUZilip and recommend that her MA-
JESTY shoold.be censured for indiscretion and levity.
—Time will chew what truth there is in this, but we
shall be slow to believe the latter part of the report ;
for, in our opinion, never did woman, placed in such
circumstances as her MAJaSTY, act with more pru-
dence, circumspection, and propriety. But we speak
- inaccurately, for never was any married woman—
any Qusss—placed in such circumstances, before
and that too by the negligence of those who owed her

every kind of protection.
FIFTEENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE.
HOUSE OF LORDSt
The House resumed proceedings at ten o'clock this morning.
Counsel being called in,
The LORD CHANCELLOR said. that be had it in com-
mand from the House to inforni them, that the question on
which the debate arose yesterday could not be put in the pre-

sent stage of the proceedings.
Mr. Baoeettast said, that there was another questionson
which
he wished to have their Lordship? opinion whether It should
be put or not. lie understood their Lordships to have decided
that he could not ask the witness Meoni to tell what Zangla
told bleoai had been said to him (Zangla) by Colonel Brown--
in short, that Zangla himself must be called to prove the decla-
ration of Brown to him. Now. however singular it might ap-
pear, he must, injustice to himself and his Learned Friends, say,
that the point negatived by the House they had not contended for.
It had somehow or other been taken up by their Lordships
themselves. without any suggestion front the bar, at least from
his side of it. The point for which, with all due submission, he
did contend, was this, that it' be could sheer such an acting oi
Zangla himself, through the evidence of ?Seoul, who could
speak of his own knowledge, as would shew Zangla to be a
party to what her Majesty's Counsel called a conspiracy—
The ATTOINDf•GILVILSAL felt it his duty to interrupt the
Learned Counsel. He was now proceeding with an argument,
when all he had to do was to put a question. The House had
decided that the last question proposed could not be put. If her
Majesty's Counsel had any other question to put, let them do
so; and if be (the Attorney-General) saw any ground to object
to it, he would state his objection, and it would remain with
their Lordships to decide on the new case raised.
Mr. Beounnau replied, that he was only following up that
course which his Learned Friend Mr. Williams was pwsuing yes.,
terday, when interrupted by the Solicitor-General It was a course
which had been distinctly pointed out by the Learned Judges, in
the opinion which they had yesterday delivered, on the third point
submitted to them. They had said, that evidence of a conspiracy
to suborn witnesses against an accused party might be produced,
with this qualification, that the proposed evidence should in
some way be opened to the Court, in order to enable the Judge
to form an opinion as to the probability of bringing the evidence
home. This was exactly what lie was now desirous of doing ;
he was about to sheer their Lordships how the evidence he was
going to adduce bore upon the ease. If the Counsel for the Bill.
in the extreme slipperiness of their nature, meant to take an ob-
jection to the admissibility of that evidence, would it not be
more convenient for them first to know what it was they had to
object to? .
rbe Arromtry-Giantaax said, that was just what they wanted.
Let her Majesty's Counsel state their, nest question, and it
would be seen whether it was of a nature calling for any objec-
tion. What he now objected to was, that her Majesty's At-
easwey-General was proceeding to argue when there was no-
to argot+ upon.
Sotscima-thetaaar. said a few words on the same side.
Mr. %sumo was beginning to speak, when
The LORD CHANCELLOR said—" No, Mr. Williams;
we must come to some fixed rule of proceeding. Mr. Brougham
has stated what he proposes, and it is for the House to decide
upon it."
Mr. Witxtaxs hoped their Lordships would not refuse to
allow him to say a few wards. The whole of the unnecessary
discussion of yesterday, about a ease which had never been fro-.
posed or imagined by her Majesty's Counsel, Arose from his
being interrupted in stating what it was they meant to prove as
to Tangle. He trusted their Lordships would not leave the door
open to a second misunderstanding and delay, but allow his
Learned Friend now to complete that opening statement which
be (Mr. Williams) had bees prevented, improperly prevented,
from making yesterday.
Earl GREY was of opinion that her Majesty's Counsel had
a right to pursue the course in which they had just been Lula-
roped; it was perfectly consonant with the opinion given by
Judges.
m_.d LIVERPOOL thought, that the Judges, when they
of wetting the evidence, refeired to the original opening
.7Ze defelope after the Counsel on each side had opened the
kW* the Mee 'lie the prosecution, and the ether the case for the
defence, he (Lord lAverpool) did not think that there could be
any spPplementary openings of parts of the case in the subse-
quent stages of the Joeneeeding. He must remark, too, that as
far as he recollected, was not opened as part of the
defence of her Majesty. Learned Gentleman, who opened
that defence, had said, that he did not charge conspiracy, bat
merely that the proceeffirip of the agents fur the prosecution
were such as persons engaged the most foul conspiracy would
have adopted.
Lord ERSKINE said, that the Judges in stating that there
must be some introduction or the defence of conspiracy, did
sot certainly allude to the original opening. Such a defence
might not be known at first; it might arise out of the pro-
ceedings, or out of any drcumetauces coming newly to the
knowledge of the party. And he would appeal to the candour
of the Noble Earl opposite, whether, upon such a case newly
asking, it would be right or fair to oppose Counsel in opening
what this new ease was?
The Earl of LAUDERDALF. said, that the course con-
tended fur by her Majesty's Counsel would completely earn -
guish the possibility of going on with the case. It was alto-
gether • inverting the order of proceeding to preface a question
with an argument, when perhaps no argument was needed.
Lord DARNLEY said, if he understood the Noble Lord
(Liverpool), it had been assumed by him that their Lordships
were not at liberty to enter upon any points affecting the case be-
fore them, which had not been referred to in the opening for the
defence. Fnum that doctrine he altogether dissented, as, if h
Ft:Meet latitude were not given to her Majesty's Counsel, it would
be impossible to proceed in this most extraordinary case with the
slightest hope of justice. - Besides, the difficulties thrown in the
way of her Majesty, must have rendered it impossible kr
her Counsel to ascertain, at the period of opening the ease,
circumstances which might arise in the course of the investiga-
tion, and that might be calculated to establish crimes that bad
never been in the contemplation of those employed in the de-
fence. lie hoped, that seeing the insufficiency of the evidence
in proof of the case, and that so many extraordinary things hal
arisen to throw discredit upon the charges, their Lordship,
would, at no very distant day, give up Abe case altogether, as
the only expedient by which substantial justice could be done.
The LORI) CHANCELLOR said he had yesterday cf-
pressed his reasons for differing from their Lordships upon the
subject of receiving evidence, which their Lordships had thought
proper to hear. It was a painful thing for him to he placed is
such a situation; but he should never cease to declare, that no
slander, no calumny, should prevent hint from conscientiously
perme
what he considered to be his duty—(Ater, hear. )-7
that, in the present state of the case, their
having permitted the evidence to be entered into,
the Omani for-her Majesty had a right to propose the question
,objected to by the Attorney-General, upon condition that be
would state the object of the question, and that their Lordships
=that object to be nothing more than to inculpate
without any reference to, the guilt of others. There
Was, in his opinion, a very great difference between the evidence
legally 19 be %waved on an indictment, and that which was