Star.
London, England, 1819-02-20 00:00:00

IRISH GRAND JVRIRS.

Mr. DAWSON, after some remarks, movel fo
the appointment of a Comtni:tee, to take into conc:-
deration the Grand Jury Bill of last Session, ado
report their opinions thereon.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT approved in some deg.te
of the measure.
Sir HENRY PAR NELL recommended some strictet
clause respecting the expenditure of moneys granted
far the repairs of roads, &c
Sir GEORGE HILL suggested a Bill enablinj
Grand Juries to grant moneys for public buildings
Assizes. He complained of the bad state of Jar cross
roads, and said, unless the House passed sot.:e
of the nature now described, the public works of Ira
land would go to decay.
Mr. BEECHER ihRIXTON approved highly d
the measure. The approaching assizes would fur-
nish valuable information to the Committee. 'The
Bill, %t hen amended, would be as excellent in its ef-
fect as it was good in its principles.

Mr. V. FITZGERA LD entirely agreed with ti
Honourable Mover. He approved highly of the prn -
ciple of the 11311, and was of a sinalar optitioa with
an Honourable Baronet, that unless some such rnt.i•
sure were adopted, the pu'olie. buildings and i.cads a..
;Ireland would soon be in the nio,t raiiioas
Mr. ABERCRIMIIIIE declared himself a sinter
friend to the princ3ple of the Bill, and °fel
ral observations in supptrt of it.
Lord JOCELYN_tared. that if an Honourable Ge 3.
tlenian opposite had produced letters eroliv the
great benefits arising from the present he alio
had received letters ex,res;ing th: ve.y ieve.s..—
HoFes. had been excised of an elf .ctmd and car,•
nent measure, but those hopes had been ina•ted '.!
the inefficiency of that which had been intrtiti:.c.

And what had been its results ? that the very net
Session it had been necessary to make a niction
suspend-its operation. lie hoped that by the end of
the present Session, such alterations would be wit
in the Act, as would render it, if not perfect in a
construction, at least pi acticabic in its execution.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT was deride:lly convinced
that if the House acceded to any measure tending 3
abrogate the principle of the Grand Jury Acts It
would do an irreparable injury to Irelard.
After a few observations from Mr. DAWSON an!
Mr. V. FITZGERALD in explanation, the Motion was
agreed to, and the Committee appointed.
On .the motion of Mr. D. I:Rowse, the Petitioe
from certain Magistrates of the County of Mayo, *J
Ordered to be referred to the said Committee.

ELECTION PETITIONS.
Sir J. NEWPORT, alluding to the omission of the
name of Ireland in the 53d of his Majesty, vnd the
erroneous opinion which prevailed in lteland, in cos-
sequence of that omission, that the provisions or the
Act were not intended to, extend to that country,
trusted that the House would be induced to extend
the time for entering into recognizances to all Pe&
tions coming from that quarter. He crinter.ded ast.
the law itself allowed them that power, and permit*
ted the time to be enlarged to thimy days, on sug*
cient grounds being made out. lie then moved, th 4
in the case of the Petition presented yesterday rs•
specting the Election for the County of Cork, t!:
time for entering into 7ecognizances be extended to
the sth of March nem, instead of the sth February.

Mr. BATHURST suggested the propriety of 2.1'
pointing a Select Committee to consider the
Petitions, and ascertain whether the 'same error
through the whole of them. If that were found t%
be the case, the House would of course feel disposed"
to grant an extension of time.

Sir J. NEWPORT highly approved of the cove
proposed, but wished that no time should be lest is
appointing the Committee, in order to dept:‘ eat
Petitieners of as few Jays r.s piss:l3l.! oat of ev
thirty, beyond which no extension could take place.
The }knoll-rabic Baronet haring then withdrawa
his motion,
Mr. BATITURST moved for ti:e appointment.;
a-Select Committee, which took place accordingly.
The SPEAKER Own acquainted the House., dui:
'Jo* Boyle, Esq. Richard Denmaile, Esq. and
Hutchins, Esq. who had petitioned against the re.
turn for the County of Cork; Mounteford Longfie'4
Esq. and Edmund Roche. Esq. against that for fe
City of Cork ; George and Hei,ry J. Clements, Esfr:
;and Jolui Luc!), lin. agalast that fv; the County ci

and sones•Gaener, Esqs against that for
a, had not entered lino their recognizauces.
qncstion,l-T re
that theprder of the' onse -
the
those Petitions be thseharged—being put,
'"NNE Moved, that the Debate on that
be adjonrned to Tuesday nest, -in order that
„use mi2;ht be tit possession of the Report of
;oTnniittee which had-just been appointed; before
to any decision.—The motion was agreed to.
eoveasersr SALE OP GUNPOWDER.
kldeim.in WOOD wishea to inquire from the
table Gentleman connected with the Ordnance
rent, whether it was true that the Board of
ice had lately sold by private contract to Mr.
gunpowder to the opmount of £60,000?
wished to know, whether it was usual to
such sales of national stores by private con-
and whether it was for the good of the coun-
le had no other mods e for his question, than
ledge that the sale in question had created
jeoant feeling among the gunpowder manufac-
i, Cornwall and other parts, who considered
or had been undersold. Would the Honour-
;ntleman consent to lay the contract of sale
the House?
K. WARD did not think himstiff bound to
the qtiestion on so short a notice, if it was
a the intention of creating a debate. But if!
.kedly, he desuld reply, that the sale in ques-
had been made tinder the express recommenda-
the Committee of Finance. The Ordnance
had done their best to dispose of the property'
,j,tantageons manner, and to procure a good
w the rablic service. The gunpowder had
dd to Mr. Samuel, and Mr. Rochdale, a gen-
of large fortune, had been accepted as surety
payment of the money, under the approba.
the Treasury. The property had been sold
;ady money, and the Board conceived that they
Ade a good bargain for the public.
QUARTER SESSIONS.
DICKENSON, after calling the gtention of
louse to the great increase of parish and other
aess at the Quarter Sessions, and the advantages
. would be gained in point of time and saving
.expense, by their division, moved for leave to
in a Bill to empower Magistrates to divide the
of Quarter Sessions. Leave granted.
BRITISII CLAIMS UPON FRANCE.
CASTLEREAGH said, he was aware that
vas, on the other side, a great indisposition to
at any length into the subject which he was
to bring before the consideration of the House,
s*.iouki therefore confine himself to only a few
aliens on it. It was known that Conventions
ern entered into between the Government of
,untry and the French Government relative w
ims of British subjects. A fund had been op-
ated by that Government for the liquidation of
:hints. The Commissioners entrusted with the
this measure into execution made consider-
irogress from that time up to the last year,
it appeared a sum of no less than fifty millions
,ecn distributed among the claimants. How-
in April last, the demands of not only British
tins, but also of foreigners, upon the French
nment, accumulated to such a degree, that -it
ascertained that a sum of no less than from thirty
to millions sterling would be required to meet
When it would be considered the great length
ac which would be necessarily employed in: ali
1g and ascertaining these claims, there appeared
cue probability of their soon arriving at a good.
. The British Government, under all these cir-
:ances, entered into an arrangement, the object
lch was, that instead of placing the creditors of
Ation under the necessity of awaiting the tedious
of the investigation at Paris, a round sum was
aid, which was agreed to be taken in lieu of all
is whatever. It would be seen how beneficial
an arrangement must be, in every point of view,
is country, which pot us into that condition with
:e, that, instead of having with her an open un-
account, we had an actual money account ;
this was in a. great measure owing to the exer-
; of a Noble Duke, to whom his country already
so much indebted—(Hoir, hear!) The same
ailment had agreed to inscribe on the great
of its public debt, for the other States of Eu-
a rade of twelve millions and forty thousand
:R, which, by thns separating their claims from
of the creditors of this country, left at the dia-
-1 of each a precise sum to apply to its own sub-
, To the first Convention we alone were parties.
claims were first recognized by the Peace of
ens, and confirmed by that of 1814. To the
r e were parties in common with the other
if Europe, and it related to those parts of the
aaent which had been dismembered from France,
to other sums due on account of the Isle of
;co the Isle of oil. Lucia, and the lonian Islands.
:omitted with Parliament to afford the means
tipi., uoning the setts stipulated for this country,
.1.1:e hoped would be sufficient to meet the de-
of; ',fall the claimants. This case was like that
the Loyalists of America, and he hoped there
ill be but little murmuring at the arrangements
had been made. He wished, however, dis-
ly to apprise those persnns who might be dig-1
!d to speculate in the French or any Foreign,
:ks, that they must not calculate upon any future'
ril.ence of the Government of this country, or,
r.',l that they will embroil themselves to enforce
' which indeed they should not have done
instance, but that particular circumstances de-
:4l.,:d it. e should only say, that this was no
eti:iol3l snit, but a judicial one, seeing we
;Li our hands a substantial Om of Money, which
t a mo:1 cheering reflection to creditors, than
11- .ik they should have had to deal with Commis-
4e, s at Paris, who, hovitver disinterested they
Y v, would naturally throw in the way all the
.tacks which they could. He should thereforemove
leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Commissio-
s appointed by his Majesty to distribute amongst
;ens having claims on the French -Goterament.
turns provided by the two Conventions Concluded'
;:that
,l Gosernment in 1814.
TIERNEY pedectly agreed in the teal for
public service wtth which this measure !hid heen'

!ctd. There was, -hdwever, a dlass of claimants

, .
Tile were eutitlei to some consideration, but who,
r-ry not pch,ibly come under the ciperation• of this
ciaribution; he meant those ?arsons who had not
hiven due notiee of their chum on the French Go.:'
`el-lulu:at. lie akereacadedt that they were at least

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',Stifled Os-a-share of-the-surplus whiarreilidoedi
tee the recognized' creditors Itatirbeen. sauteed.
I A conversation then took 'place bedreen Lord CAI.
TLEREAOH, Mr. TIEJINFY, Sir JOHN NEWPORT, . and
Mr. DENNISON, in which the Noble Lord, in reply to,
a question from Mr. TIVINEY, as to how the two
years which the French Government were in, arrear
were to be accounted for? said, that that Govern-
ment had agreed to pay a million annually for fives
years, of which three were punctually paid ; but the,
time allotted for discharging the other two years
being fist limited to nioe months, was afterwards ex-
tended to eighteen, and finally to two years and three
months ; so that at the end of that time the whole of
the principal, with interest at five per cent. would
be discharged. He, at the sanie time, admitted the
propriety of appropriating to the discharge of tint
claims of those who had not been recognized, the
surplus that might remain over and above paying
the other creditors. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man had said,.that the whole sum to be had from the
French Government would never reach this country,
but be expended in keeping in repair the fortresses
on the frontiers of Holland. Could he be ignorant
of the purchases which had been made of valuable
Colonies in the West Indies from the Dutch? In,
truth, if he had seriously apprehended that so large
a sum as two millions had been misapplied, it was an.
indirect reproach upon him Tor having suffered it,
and this was now a late season to inquire into it. A
distinction had been drawn, insinuating that Govern-
ment had shewn a greater pat tiality for the holders
of funded property than mercantile claimants.—
The business of investigation might be accelerated
with regard to Waded property ; but it was quite
different with mercantile property, where it was ob-
vious the claims of individuals conld not be so easily
ascertained. The present was a question in which
not only the claimants were interested, but the public
in general. It ought to be recollected, that seques-
trations took place on both sides of the water ; and
that if British subjects had suffered by them in
France, French subjects had suffered by them in
England. Considerable property had been seques-
tered in 1793; but in 1794 or 1795, the law which

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sanctioned such a measure was repealed. It was not
to be expected, and he wished it to be distinctly un-
derstood, that the British Government should identify
itself with the speculations of individuals. Upon
those claims which appeared fair and well founded,
1a respectable body of individuals would adjudicate;
and he had no doubt that all due consideration would
be given to the subject, so as to effect an equitable
adjustment on both sides.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT observed, that the pro-
perty of British individuals had, in many cases, been
sequestered in France, contrary to ,the law of nations.
Leave given.
Sir ROBERT WILSON, in rising• to ask one or
two questions of the Noble Lard opposite (Castle-
reagh) disclaimed any wish on his part to impute
undue motives to the Noble Lord. His sole object
was to vindicate the character of the country from
any imputation that we had' pledged oilrselves to
measures with regard to other nations, which we
would not sanction in our own. The Noble Lord
had. not thought proper, when laying before the
House the Treaty entered into by this country at
Aix-la-Chapelle with the Allied Powers. to furnish
any information upon it, but contented himself with
stating, that he would be ready to state such pareiCu-
lars respecting it as any Member might feel desirous
to know. The Treaty he alluded to was that which
professed to be for the maintenance of the peace of
Europe, and this should have his cordial assent,
were he' not apprehensive that measures had also'
been entered into which might compromise the cha-
racter of the country.
Lord CASTLEREAGH could assure the Honour-
able Member that no measures had been entered into
which had not previously been sanctioned by Par-
liament.
Sir ROBERT WILSON was perfectly satisfied
with the explanation of the Noble Lord, and congra-
tulated the House upon it.

SLAVE TRADE.
Mr. SMYTII, after making few observations,
moved—" That there be laid before this House, Co-
pies of all Appointments of Commissioners, to carry
into execution the Treaties with Spain and Portugal,
in the Abolition of the Slave Trade, and of any In-
structions given to such Commissioners."
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he could have no
difficulty in acceding to the motion. He admitted
that some delay had arisen in the appointment of
Commissioners ; but every means had been used to
discover competent persons for the office.
Sir C. ROBINSON and Dr. PHILLIMORE spoke
at some length upon the question. The former Ho-
nourable 'Member urged various arguments to prove
that no blame could be imputed to Ministers ; and
the latter contended, that they were certainly culpa-
ble for having allowed such a time to elapse befOre
any effectual measures were taken. The Treaty had
been long allowed to have been executed, and though
its provisions might have been practically acted upon
in three or four months afterwards, still no Commis-
sioners had yet been appointed for the purpose; and
how many, in the mean time, must have suffered all
the barbarous inflictions cf lawless cruelty ! With
regard to the difficulty of procuring persons to gd ,
out on the Coramission, in consequence of the insa-
lubrity of climate, distance, &c. he could state,
that he knew several persons at the bar, perfectly
competeut to discharge the duties of the trust, who
would have gladly accepted it with all its objections.
He knew one person, in particular, who had actually
offered himself to go out to the Brazils, but was re-
,fused, and told he might go to the HaTannah if he
pleased. Negligence, and unnecessary delay, were
highly eriminal, at a time when the abominable traffic
was carried tin to an extent almost unparalleled.
Lord CASILEaEAGH explained. It was quite'
impossible for 4./overnment to fill up places which
*Pere not in existence by law; and unless Commis-
slams were Teady •cut and dry, to fill in: every 'va-
cancy that mitzecur, from time to time, in the'
.service of the Ise,cteald not see how it was pos-
sible to mectantoWespectsuions as the Learited Gen-,
apeman -held oat.
ELL7CI4 lamented that anydelay should have
eaeurredso the seeminationvf the most disgusting'
and'alstaninablevysteminwristencil, and ih at that de-
lay Atuld 'have been Dr:aerated by a Bovernmenk
whiCh had acquired sudh aliish.statkp,owthe
tions of Europe.

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*ILIVERT:OiIei odd ha could not conceal
tho.pleasure which he felt on a perusal of the papers ,
On thetablei He rejoiced to find a pkdge'ar lengthi
kiven, that the Powers of Europe had concurred in
the necessity of abolishing the direful trade in slaves.
Bin he confessed that his hopes and exultation were
considerably damped; by 'smelting that so material'
a delay was suffered to exist between the Zeterrnina-
tion of efficient measures and their execution, and he
lamented that England; above all, the first to raise
her voice and her hand in the cause of humanity--
, that she should hare been accessary to a delay of a
most vital measure, Outing Which the foul and abo-
minable traffic was going on. He lamented also,
that there was not that alacrity in suing for places in
the -Commission, which appeared to guide Candi-
dates upon other occasions.
Mr. MARILYATT said, he was enabled to shew,
by dispatches from a high authority, that with regard,
to Sierra Leone, it was a climate which could not be.
borne by an European. But itsinsalubrity was only
one of the objections against this residence. It was
altogether useless a.% a means of suppressitsg the Slave.
Trade. As to thAfieans of causing other Powers to,
abandon the Slave Trade, it could only be done by
peaceableand amicable means. Such was the advice
of the Judge of the Admiralty, who held that no one
nation lu:d a right to enter into a Moral crusade
against another country, by forcing an observance of
any law which it might enact for a general good.--
The whole conduct, therefore, of his Majesty's Ga
vernment, in this respect, was just and wise.
TheATTORNEY-G EN URAL vindicated his Ma-
jesty's Government againit the imputation of having
neglected to establish competent Courts abroad to
suppress the trade; because it was a very difficult
thing to find Gentlemen who were competent to be
Judges of those Courts, and willing to take on them-
selves the offices. He detested the Slave Trade as
much as any man, but if that trade was to be checked
it could be checked in no other way except according
to law. _

• Mr. W. WYNNE said, he understood that it would
be no difficult thing to procure competent persons to
execute the law in foreign settlements ; and he hoped
all the Courts and all the offices would be filled up
immediately; for he understood that many respecta-
ble and quali Heti pe►:sons were ready to accept of them.
Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the Honourable
Gentleman that Government was using every possibly
degree of expedition in making the arrangements in
question.
The Motion was then put from the Chair, and
agreed to.—Adjourned at Eleven o'clock.

TILE WINDSOR ESTABLISHMENT.
The following is the Report of die Committee of
the House of Commons, to whom the Establishment
of her late MAJESTY, and the E.tisnate of the Ex-
penses of the proposed Esfablishment of his MAJES-
TY'S future Household at Windsor, were referred:

" Your Committee have deemed it to be their duty, in the
first place, to take into their consideration the arrangement which.
has been proposed for the future Establishment of his Majesty.
" By the Act of the 52d Geo. 11/. c. 8, the sum of £loo,ooo'
was directed to be set apart annually out of the Civil List, for
the expense of the King's Household ; and any surplus, after de-
fraying this charge, was to be applied to the purposes of his Mae
jeety's Civil Establishment.
" It appears to your Committee, that the Reduction which
Is proposed in that expenditure, of One Half, may with proptiety
be made • and that au annual sum of £lO,OOO will be sufficient
to provide fel this seriior ; and they refer to the Estimates,
un-
der the different heads, annexed to this Report.
" In censidering the scale and expense of the Establishment
which it is necessery to form, while they approve of the discos.
tinuance of the salaries of certain of the Officers of Sr.te. who
have hitherto, since his Majesty's indisposition, been retained,
yet your Committee rec mmt nd, that, at the head of the Estab-
lishment, ae Officer of the rank of Oroom of the Stole should.
be placed, as they deem it important to have a person of rank
and of high station connected with the King. service, generally
residirg near his Majesty's person. For the same reasons it ap-
peals expedient, that one of the King's Equerries (the number
of whom, lathe judgmea of the Committee, ought to 1w limited
to four) should be in daily and conatent attendance at Windsor.
" In the examination of the Estimate*, fur defeeying the
charge of the proposed Tables, and fur the other branches of
expenditure at Windsor, your Committee-have received satis-
factory explanations respecting them from Colonel Stephenson,
to whom the superintendence of the King'. Hpusellulti has been
in a great degree confided.
" Ic appears to them, that the Estimates hive been framed for
the services to which they arc to be applied, with a due attention
to eeenomy ; and they refer particularly to the explanatory
statement of the Esti:nate for the Expense of his Majesty's
Household,' which is annexed.. A large portion of the expense
which, as your Committee are informed, cannot be estimated at
less than nue-third of the whole amount, will be at all events to
be incurred by the maintenance of Windsor Castle as a Royal
residence, and ought not to be set down as exclusively belonging
to the establishment of his Majesty.
" The names and descriptions of the Officers, whose salaries
have been discontinued, will be found in the Appendix, toge-
ther with a List of the menial Servants who have been reduced ;
and the amount of the wages and appointments which the latter
received in the King's-service.
"Your Committee next proceeded to the subject of the Es-
tablishment of her late Majesty, which had been referred to their
consideration.
" His Royal Highness the Prince Regent having been pleased,
by his gracious Message, to place at the disposal of Parliament,
the sum of .658,000 per annum, in consequence of her Majes-
ty e demise, and at the same time to recommend to the house
of Commons the claims founded on the faithful services of those
who formed the separate Establishment of her Majesty, in or-
'der that the House might be enabled to judge what part of that
sum it may be advisable to apply to the annual provision for such
permits, your Committee have obtainedgecounts of such allow-
, anew as were made to the of and servants of Queen Mary,
conker demise in the yew 1694 ; of Queen Caroline in 1737 ;
and to the household of the Princess Dowager of Wales in 177 e;
astountlng annually, for the Et tablislunent of Queen Mary, to
s£lss7B 16s. bd.—to that of Queen Caroline, to £19,812-,
sod for the Household of the Princess Dowager of Wales, to
1te1e,702 78. 10d.
" The Grants, in the instances referred to, were not brought.
under the consideration or view of Parliament, bat were paid
out of the Civil List Revenues; an annual saving of these Re-
venues baying been made by the discontinuance of the respective
Royal Establishments to a greater extent than those allowatices
amounted to. In the year 1782, by the Act passed fur the reeu-
Ittion of the Civil Liu, the amount of pensions to be granted
out of the Civil List Revenges was limited, and its comequenee
of that limitation, and the present charge on the Pension Lee,
it is not pessible to place such allowances as it may be wished to
• tto the Qenis Servants upon that fund; but the whole
Ism of sesB,Oug which was annually paid to the Queen, bee.%
Row at the disposal of Parliapteet, it remains for Parliament
ta stake such provision, in this respect, es it may In its libera-
lity think Et.
In offering for the consideration of the House the annexed
iteile of Pensions recomtneaded fur the Servants of her late Ma-
jesty, while your reptunittee have hadeteriew the etpectations
which these pgrsous may reasonably have entertained, as to the
prevision which wnuld• be made for them when their services
cease, :they •yet:feel it to he their duty to eehmit to the
House, that this recommendation should rot be drawn into re..
rattent; airthe formation of future establishments.•
• 34 leveillbleolnetweilethat,the State Officers, as well as some.
others, to whom their salaries were cuntinued fur life, in the.
Ligetancet referred•to, do not appear in the list whleh is proposed.+
gamed rine*. *Mich Am been • adopted in feeneie.l its
eto suggest a previa= Per the Female pact rat tAt

iilbusehold, ad for tale dome cers and Menials, ofethom
silt Oth ' •
the greater proportion hare been for many years, and during chi
! course. of a long reign, attacifed to het service; the anour.t et
this providon, together with the pensions to be continued toss*
as were the objecte of her Majesty's benevolence, is less than
was given upon the two last ot•cssions which have been noticed,
without taking into account the dillerence in the value of money
at those periods and at tin. pre.ei.t.
Ak If l'arliamrit shalt approve of what has been here submit-
tM, legislative enactments will be required to carry these r.-gl.
Names into effect, It will be neeLssary to alter that part of the
Act of the 52d Geo.. 111. cap.‘B, which appoints the attenderns
on the King's person, and also to regulate Cie sum to be hi
future appropriated for dJraying the expense of his Majesty's
IlOusehold.• That claims aka of cite Act of the el6th Gee.. Ili.
c. 4G, which enacts, that whenever the charge upon the Civil
List shall axceed in any one year, X 1,100,000, an account of the
exceeding, end the cause thereof, shall he laid before Parliament,
mast be amended, so as to require a similar account toic soh.
emitted; whenever that charge shall eicesd the amount to which
abe expenditure of the Civil List shall be limited by the radius.
ions which are new proposcd.—February 17, 1619," •

WES TMIN:S TER ELECTION,'

It SIXTH DAY. •
• Tiaterclay, the state of the Poll was declared at
ibesesnal,hour, when the numbers were as follow :--
Mr. LAU* - 1542
Mr. Iloamousa - 1016
Major CARTIVIRIMIT -
t Mr. HOBIIOIJSE observed, the coalition had not
been so successful to-day as they were yesterday.
Then they were near 400 a-head on the day's poll—,
they were 592 a-head," several voices exclaimed)—
to-day they had gained but 145. Yesterday he un-
derstood a public breakfast had been given to the
electors in the interest of Mr. Lamb ; to-day, so far
as he was at present informed, there had been nothing
of the kind, and this might account for the falling
off which he had noticed. At the same time he
'could assure those he addressed, that the coalition
had not at all relaxed in their canvassing; the pairs
of Whigs and Tories went abroad as before, and be-
sides measures were adispted by the friends of Mr.
Lamb, such as he believed had never been resorted
to, in any former election, but by Tories in opposi.
tion to a Whig Candidate. He was informed that a •
certain Nobleman had gone about that day, with the
Steward of another Nobleman, to call on the tenants
of those Noblemen, to intimidate them,—for it
could not be called persuading them—to vote for
Mr. Lamb, whose cause their landlords had espous-
ed. This was certainly not the way in which a .
free and popular election should be conducted
:Web was said of the disgrace brought on the City
of Westminster by the junto of tradesmen acting for
them as their Committee; but he would ask if they
had ever acted the part which the Whig Candidate
was now acting? Did they ever send a Nobleman,
or the Steward of a Nobleman, to canvass the renters
of particular Noblemen? Did they ever give public
brekfasts? Did they ever let loose on the Electors
the persons employed at the public offices; or send
among them to compel theft votes, the servants of
the Secretaries of any of the Departments in the
State? No: none of these things could be imputed
to the Committee. Mr. Lamb had yesterday told
them, that it was a pity he joked so much ; and had
said, that from what he had gleaned out of common-
place books, and he knew not where, he had become
a second Joe Miller. It was curious that he (Mr.
Hobhouse) could not please that Honourable Gentle-
man, let him do what he would. The day before
yesterday, he (Mr. Hobhouse) had not been witty
enough for his opponent. Yesterday his complaint
was, that be had become too jocose, and the Ilonour.
able Gentleman did not like his humour at all. He
(Mr. Lamb) had then made a display of his own wit;
and when a Gentleman came forward to prove what
he had said on the subject of .Parliamentary Reform,
he had hailed that rer,pectable person as a the spruce
Mr. Clark,"' and made a joke of his trade. If this
was the best wit he could produce, he (Mr. Hob-
!loose) must give up studying wit under him, and
put himself to school under some other master.-
-The Honourable Gentleman, on coming there, had
proclaimed himself a friend to Reform in Parliament,
yet when asked a question respecting the Rotten 80.
rolighs, he had not sufficiently studied it to be able
to give an answer, and he was so angry with the
Gentleman who had extracted this truth from him,
that he had called him a spy. This charge he had
no right to prefer against a man for asking him an
honest question in an open manner; nor ouvht he to
have sported his jokes at his being, as he said, a bar.
bef. The friends of Mr. Lamb asserted that he (Mr.
Hobhouse) wished to limit within narrower bounds
the tight of voting—he wished to extend it ; they said
he wished it to stop short of the householders—he
was willing that it should go further ;—would they
say as much for their plan ? Then they said he was
not for Annual Parliaments ; he had declared that
he had no objection to them. It was then said that
he had no plan for stopping 'the corruption of the
State. Now, he would ask them if they had any in•
tension of cutting up altogether the Rotten Boroughs,
and destroying the influence which certain great
Families exercised in Elections ? Let the Whigs state
distinctly their views on these two points. In con.
elusion he declared that the misconceptions which
had existed with respect to himself among the Flee-
tors, were rapidly clearing up, and now that it was
seen that the Court was more active than the Whigs
themselves to procure the return of his opponent, it
could not be doubted that both parties were in fact
united to prevent the Electors of Westminster from
acting for themselves, in order to make their City, as
formerly, a Borough divided between the two factions.
Mr. LAMB spoke, but from the tumAilt which pre-
vailed, but little of what he said could be heard. He
referred them to the state of the poll, from which it
would be seen that he was 526 a-head of his opponent.
That the majority was-not greater is his favosir arose
from his friends'having been too sanguine in their
expectations of what would be done :without their in-
dividual interference. This was the only danger that
he had to apprehend ; he could oaly lose by their
being too secure. He wished to guard them against
this, as though they bad noW a very good chance of
gaining the day, they might be assured that the bat-
tle was yet to be fought. Mr. Hobhcusc had said
Oat he could not please him. This was act correct..
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had made ;•iuce the commenceraent of the Election,
as he was confident they had been of essential service
,to his 01r. Lamb's) cause. If Mr. Hobhouse and his
Committee did not give the Electors public breakfasts,
they treated them with. flags and music ; and if the
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