Star.
London, England, 1810-06-02 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, JUNE 1,

Tice lrish Pines Compensation Bill was read a • road time, and
committed for to-morrow.
The Bastard Children Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Scotch Cle-gy, and the New Forest Timber Preservation
Bills, were severally read a second time, and eonunlttedlor to-
morrow.
Mr. FOSTER brought in Bills for Raising the New Tates in
Ireland. They were read a kat, and ordered to be read a second
time to-morrow.
Mr. LONG obtained leave to bring in a Biltfor Regulating the
Assize for the Army Pay and Cloathing.
The Report of the Beer Colouring 8111 was brought up and
- Igreed to.
The Report of the Lottery Bill was brought up and agreed to,
dud the third readirg, at the suggestion of Mr. WHITBREAD, or-
dered for Wednesday.
The Report of the Lowland Distillerlea Bill was brought up,
agreed to. and the Bill ordered for a third reading to-morrow
• Sir '1 PRICE brought up the Report of the Bill for Improving
the Commercial Docks.
After some conversation beiweentheSpeaeze and Mr. Banc,
ts to the manner in which the Bill should be treated, Mr. Byng
being of opinion it should be considered as a Navigation Bill,
the report was agreed to, and the third reading of the Bill ordered
for Tuesday.
The Report of the Comniittee on East-India Affairs was
brought up, the resolutions were read and agreed to, and a Bill
ordered accordingly.
The Black Game Bill was read a third time and passed.
Admiral HARVEY renewed his notice of a motion relating to
the introduction of Landsmen into the British Fisheries.
The [HA Gaols Bill was mid a thircrtime and 'sassed.

The several Local Militia Bills were read a second time and
fornrnitted for to-morrow,
The Pension Duties Bill was reed a third time and passed.
Mr. BARING postponed thosecOnd reading of the Marine In-
budlnce Bill till Tuesday.
COMMITTFE OF SUPPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, that 012,000 should be granted to pay the
Commissioners for the Redemption of the Land-tax
for the Sale of Corporation Lands.
The motion was opposed by Mr. CALCRAFT,
who wished the subject postponed till Wednesday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, the subject could be discussed on the Re-
port being brought up, and did not therefore think the
-postponement necessary.
• Mr. CA LCRA FT contended that the subject could
not be discussed in the House as advantageously to
the country as in a Committee.
After a few words from Mr. CREEVEY, Sir J. As-
STRUTHER, Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE, Mr. W. WYNNE,
Mr. ROSE, Lord MILTON, Mr. WitaaToT, Mr. PAl't
ELIA and Sir JOHNNEWPORT, the grant was postponed
to Wednesday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved a grant of £lOO,OOO for the relief' of the poor
Clergy. The Right Honourable Gentleman went
into.a lengthened detail of the stipends they enjoyed
in various parts of the kingdom, and stated by what
proportions of the population they were severally
paid. The were in England 11,700 benefices. The
stipends of more than 6000 of ,them did not one ex-
ceed £l5O per annum. The number of residents
amounted to about 4400 ; of non-residents to 6700.
It was to be observed, that some of the number were
virtually residents, though they were non-residents in
point of law. He was, however, of opinion, that more
than a moiety of their number were non-residents.—
After some further statements, he concluded, enforc-
ing on the Committee the propriety of the grant.
• Mr. TIERNEY thought the wealthy clergy ought
to aid their poor brethren. Beneficed as they were, it
was monstrous to come to the public for relief. He
• did not mean to oppose the grant, but he hoped some
Honourable Gentleman, better qualified to treat the
subject than himself, would give it his attention, and

bring it before the House in the ensuing Session.

long and desultory conversation followed, in
which Mr. W. SMITH, Sir J. NEWPORT, the CHAN-
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Lord, MusoN, Mr. W.
WILBERFORCE patticipated.
ATOR-GENERAL did not know
been any valuation of the first fruits
of Queen Anne. He supported the

MARTIN observed, that the learned

lot conceive the true meaning of the
Queen Anne. He entered into gt detail
lrguments advanced by Bishop Bur-
Itton of first fruits,, and adduced the
Res which had been enacted on this
Iledged that the persons who now di-
Aselves the property of the Church,
;her than apy part of the laity. Till
It before the House a proof of there
totally unprovided for, he would
orisent to the Resolution.

RNEY-GENERAL thought that it
, point of law, if the first fruits were
tegally. Be supported the Resolution.
.KING and Mr. DAVIES GIDDY
observations in opposition to the niotion.
- then put, and the Resolution was

TON then proposed the following
ch were severally agreed to :
Majesty of £2817 for defraying the expences of
of the 98th and 29th volumes of the our-
Peers.

certain copies of the Journals of the House
with the time of Henry VIII.
ayiug outstanding demands for works and re-
tiouses of Parliament, and to the Speaker's

Light.lionses at Heligoland,
carrying into effect a plan ior exploring the into.

the expenges of invetvetnents in the ave.
esttninster Hall.

tpensation for the services of Connuissionen

ipensntion of the services of the Commis.
uYcst.
dons! Vaccine institution.
certani sums due to the Cioyernor of Fort

_. at Ftwerness.
Mellolb, for Suptrinteudinp the Accounts of
Antes of the Thames Police.
!ward Walmsty.
Dickens, for stationary sent to the Cape of

James Read, to carry intp effect the plan for
Uf a borse-yatrtilr.
Chinn, y, tor a sites et s incurred in the service
yor
of 14r. N IIITBR.EAD, the 'two folk Ning
postpctneil, fora further consitikration, till
tines Read, for the e;:penets a special consta-
nts: shsturl.ons.ti ; and
ig ttkotpriiser,tativpA pf MT. C. Merril, latesurveyor-
' snati4.
rcsitratd. apd 'be Report 4E the CoaMlittf
liFfsafili *V -roIIITUWI

A Message from the Lords announeed their Assent to tho
London Docks Bill, tae Excise Superannuadon Dill, the Loan
Bill, the Isle of Man Consididation Bill, and Steen) private Bilk.
On the motion of Mr. BANSES, the Repoetef the Consanittee.,
on Public Expenditure Was ordered to be printed. • •
Mr. WHARTON brought up the Report of the proatodh.
of the National Vaccine Institution.--Ordered to be printed.
ELECTION BAISEEY,
Mr. W. WYNNE rose to gate the object of a Bill, whirl he
now proposed to move for leave to bring in. It was Mx his in-
tention to occupy for any time the.attention of the House, as he
was aware of the important question which wasthis night to come
forward. He granted that there at present existed sufficient pu•
nishinent for bribery and corruption in the election of Members,
but there still remained a difficulty in proving it. It was his ob-
ject to repeal the provisfonstf George the Second an this subject,
and to substitute in their place the two following : firgt, that if
any person before an Electiim Committee should discover an act
of bribery, he should be indemnified for It; and seeond, that an
Election Committee should have a power of examining any per-
son' if se accused. He therefore moved for leave to bring in a
Bill for altering, and rendering more effectual, the laws for the
prevention of bribery and corruption in the election of Members
of Parliament.
Mr. JOHNSON protested against the introduction of the Bill
for the present ;be gave notice that he would oppose It in a future
stage.

CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Mr. HUTCHINSON moved the order of the day
for resuming the debate on the Catholic question.
The SPEA KER then read the question, namely,
" That these Petitions be referred to a Committee."
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, he should avoid re-
peating the arguments which had been so ably ad-
vanced during the debate. He then drew the atten-
tion.of the House to the Popery Laws, which he
cohtended were unjust and oppressive. They had
been made contrary to the great Charter, by'a pre-
vailing faction: The Cathoiics had been subjected to
pains and penalties under these laws, for crimes which
they never committed. The Catholics had given a
striking proof of their fidelity, by suffering themselves,
during so many years, to be excluded from a partici-
pation in the rights of their fellow subjects. They
had been induced, at the Union, to look for emanci-
pation ; and if a Noble Viscount, who had spoken
during the debate, had told them at the Union
that they were not to have their claims, every Catho-
lic would have been against that Union. Mr. Pitt's
speech, on the subject of their emancipation, had also them hopes of suczess ; but unfortunately they
had been completely cajoled and deceived. He com-
plained that the Learned Lord had stated events re-
specting Ireland, which ought to have been consigned
to oblivion ; but the Learned Lord had not stated all
the unhappy circumstances of that country. IT the
Learned Lord had related all its distresses, the bare
reflection would not only have made the hair of this
Honourable Member for Somersetshire stand on end,
but every Gentleman in the House would have felt
for their misfortunes. The Honourable Member
concluded by observing, that this was net a moment
to lull the country to security ; for, in consequence of
the refusal of Ministers to attend to the Catholic
claims, the ills and dangers which surrounded them
would increase.
Mr. O'HA RA opposed the arguments,of the last
speaker. He was willing to allow them all the rights
of Protestants; but he did not think they ought to be
permitted to act as Ministers of the country.
The Marquis of TAVISTOCK spoke with great
force and eloquence for going into a Committee to con-
sider whether it would be wise and politic to conclude
to the Catholics. Let not the Catholic Body have
it to say that you have rejected their petition, and sent
them from your bar with supercilious disdain. (Hear,
hear.) We should at least ask the Catholics what
powers they were willing to concede in support of the
Protestant Establishment? The perpetually receiving
objections that this was not the proper time, in effect
shut the door against all political improvements, and
was an argument as dangerous as its nature and ten-
dency were indefinite. It was the wise maxim of
Lord Bacon, " that time was the greatest of all inno-
vators ;" but if we refused year after year to listen to
the prayers of four millions of our fellow-subjects, the
consequences might eveptually be such as he did not
wish tol'anticipate. Were that the case, we should I
no longer have to lament that Ireland was the vul-
nerable part of the empire. Conciliation would be our
strength, and their good wishes our recompence.
Sir THOMAS TURTON thought this a very in.
convenient time for going into the Committee, when
such various opinions were entertained with regard
to the veto. He approved the object of the petition,
but did not think this the proper time for agitating it.
Colonel TALBOT supported the motion, on the
ground of the vulnerability of Ireland, under its pre-
sent circumstances. If Bonaparte could have dictated
one mode rather than another to promote his own ob-
jects, it would have been that which Ministers have
employed towards the Catholics of Ireland.
Viscount BERNA RD could not accede to the Ca-
tholic prayer, unless they consented to grant the Crown
a controuling power in the election of Bishops.
Sir RALPH MILBANK thought the Catholics of
Ireland had been mast harshly treated. He recom-
mended the measure most strongly, as calculated to
render us an united nation.
Mr. MINAUGHTON opposed the appointment of
a Committee, on the grounds that the Catholics were
not disposed to make any concession.
Mr. BARHAM defended the claims of the Catho-
lics, as founded on absolute and indefeasible right.
Those men did irreparable injury to religion, who
thought it could only be supported by penal statutes.
Mr. PARNELL supported the motion at conside-
rable length. He thought it equally called for by
every principle of gratitude for the exertions of the
Catholics in the common cause of the empire, and by
that of compunction for the unmerited treatment they
had received,

Mr. DUNDAS was not against acceding to the
Catholic claims at all times, and under all- circum-
stances; but at the same time he thought that a Com-
mittee was not likely to be of benefit, as the Catholics
themselves had not agreed or made up their minds as
to any proposition to be submitted to the Committee.
Captain PARKER was against the motion.
Mr. R. DUNDAS, in a speech of considerable
.length, argued against the policy of the measure,
and adduced the authority of Lord Grenville's
Letter in sup-port of his opinion. No specific plan,
he said, had been proposed, and if they went into a
committee, and refused the claims of the Roman Ca-
tholics, they would be placed in a more unfavourable
prt;e:icament than now.
Mr. CHARLES W. WYNNE pressed the neces-
sity of going into the Committee to ascertain the best
means of meeting the claims of the Catholics.
Mr, WARM FITZGERALD, a speech of
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The question was tl
agreed to.
Mr. WHARTO]
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