Star.
London, England, 1829-04-09 00:00:00

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• ;It bid been Said by the Noble and Learned Lord, hat
on principle the present measure went to.shake and dis-
turb the succession to:the Crown. That assertion, was
made-on-the ground of an argument attributeskao Moe.
sell (Leod Holland) to the effect that the religions opi.,
tai eni'of* subject height tefoim no bar against is at-
cesiion -to political Wipes; and on that principle the
N eltle.and Learned' Lord cottelnded .tliciheleir to
i4bitieViiiin in succesSion 'amid n'orbe:debarted Irons
---.:.•":-ssiddirding to the Throne on account of any particular
*taus on aaliitiOne But what be (Load Holland)
slid was, that the subject should no be excluded
freidf &lily political offices. But then the office of the
, 'King wasnot purely a political one—it was also an ec-
cteitastical -one. The ecclesiastical powers possessed by
" the Pape were: at the' reformation, transferred to the
' King, who in consequence was familiarly described by
Mat. Bacon as is the Pope with the Pepe io his belly. '
the office of Pint Minister, it. was not contacts.
tidnal, nor even legal, to call any. Minister by tbit
detiodiination. But supposing the First Minister —for
instance, the Noble Duke opposite—to be a Roman
Cathalit, sad that, for Catholic• reasons, he gave ad-
vice to the Kinkielative to the distribution of Church
pittonitio nr to a Protestant Minister, the Catholic First
Minister giving. such advice and the Protestant-Minis-
tei takitip it would be guilty of .a. misdemeanour, and
• subject to the penalties .set forth in-another clause. A
' to. the pioblbility of a First Minister influencing a Lord
" Chancellor, in his own experience it had occurred that
a Lord Chancellor not only did not yield, but thwarted
wheneser he resisted the influence of a First Minister.-
• He approved of the exceptkans in the Bill, but no otheiy.
• As to the assertion that this Bill
.would surround the
King with Catholic Ministers. it was a common, saying
that Parliament c. uld force .11 Minister on the King.
Nog, he (Lord Holland) had spent much of his li(e an
'endeavouring to surround ilie King with an admiais
tration that he did not. like, apd.be did not find it such
•an easy j b. On the convary.helound it a most diffi-
colt eine—ln fact. he found it a most difficult task to
14. (wee the closet of the King," as'tlie phrase went in
Lord Chatham's' time; and certainly, inrelation to this
• 80, orient the worst methods of forcing the King's
• closet would be to select a Catholic for that task, in the
face Majorities of Proteitants in the House of Lords.
'in the Commons, and against the wihes of a Bete..
tant peals*. After a few words in reference to the
' maxim that' the King was made for the people, not the
people for their roierst the Lble Lotd concluded by
supporting the clause. •
Lord KENYON admitted that the people were not
made for the King, but must deny that Kings were so
'far made for the people that their Thiones depended on
'the. popular %sill: The object of his amendment was to
't xchi.le ttlah Catholic. bons- the offiarat First Mi-
•nistervas the working First Minister usually held tome
tine of the offices enumerated in his amendment. The
Church could not be out of danger unless RomanCa-
tho:ics were excluded born the highest office in the
Cabinet.
Lord HOLLAND disclaimed the .opinion that the
thrones of Kings might be arbitrarily shaken by the
'shim if the yeinple. But le had the high aothority of
King William in, his favour, who alto:wed thetttablishe
mein. at the Revolution, of *Parliamentary right to
renulate the succession t4.the'Crown.•.
Archbishop of 'CANTERBURY Supported,
the
amendment. The office Of Colonial &dewy might
ti he one of the se lons which•Cithelics shOold be ex-
cluded. as that office possessed the poser of appoint.
ing to ecclesiastical. offices in-all the Colonies, as step
as the Ea.t Indies.
Earl BATHURST said that there mere two ways of
excluding Roman Catholics from the piiwer of possess.;
ing anjr church patrotiageby• excluding thene•l ors
the office of Leeld Chancellor, and when a Catholic
should fill an office to which church pa:ronage was an.
nexeJ, by tr ansfeiring the t if ht Of ecclesiastical appoint.
'mete to Kane Pr testant °sheer, :itch as the Archbishop
of Canterbory. 11 a Catholic Minister should advi:e
the King on such a subject. or take advice from. his Ma-
t-sty. such Minister would be subject to penalties men.
tinned in a Imitate clause of the 11,11.
The Bishop of LONDON would not trespass at great
length upon the time of yeeir Lordships, but begged
leave to offer a few observations upon two of the offices
proposed to be excepted by 'the amendment moved by
the N. ble Lord on the cross bench; one of them that
of Colonial BeCtettry ; the other that of President of
the Board of Controul. The interests of those persons
who nese Members of the Established Church in the
Colonies depended so much upon those officers to whom
the exceptions he had mentioned referred, that he could
not help wishing that the persons holding those offices
should be Pioiestants. The Protestant Church in the
Colonies might be saiJ to be- in its infancy at pre ent
it was important, therefore, that the people of the
Colonies should believe that the doctrines of the Church
at England were held by his M 'jetty's representatives
ice' the Colonie 1. Under t.ere circumetauces, which
wrie-considetably strengthened by information he-had
derived t.om herons of credit lately setu'ned from
the Colonies, he felt him-elf b. and to support the
amendment of the Noble Lord as it respected the offices
to which be had alluded. He should add, that already
considerable inconvenience hid been felt 'in North
America from the influence of persons there. who,
although Protestant, were not members of the Eeta-
blist..eo Chufcb: How much more might not inconve-
nience, therefore. be felt in the Colonies (in Caoada, for
example, whette the Protestant Church as yet only
Slanged in sufferance) it the persons at the head of them
were to be 11.011/All Catholics. 14 such a case he had no
*saltation in-saying that the Protestant Church would
run considerable risk. The Right Reverend racist.
Concluded by giving his support to the amendment for
excepting the-Governorships of our Colonies in the West
•
Indies. . . .
Lord REDESDALE thought there would be little
advantage gained by transferring the patronage hoes
digest to indirect officers. It would be easy to legislate
for the Colenies, but not so for leeland. He had; nut-
withstanding all that had passed, considerable select !
for many of the Roman embolic. of Ireland, and feet
none mote than Lord 'Fingal'. We saw in liesand a
vast body of clop who wet e in point of fact the tale's
of the country. He thought, thereto-7e, that if any
measure could be devised for taking away from them'
that power and that influence; and tranefetink it to the
gentry and to such men as Lord Fingal!, considerable
taenefit to the tinnily would result from the change.
The D ke.ot RUTLAND—Atter what he had said
last night he should have felt it his duty to give to tie
ansenoment before their Lordships his support,' had it
ng;been of so sweeping a character. if any way void,
be found of providing tot the exclusion of Catholics'
from the office of Firsts Minister of the Crown, be
thought that such au exception would be most desira-
ble.. It appeared to him that such an' end, might-be
atta ned by the introduction ef a clause for excepting.
~Ita.maii Catholics from tom* pasticelai office.t4riam
that rat First Lord of the Treasury, for example—and
that that office should be held for the tithe being by