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Sentient in these cater. AnOther wag, most assuredly,
that this Bill was no: to be perpetual Although its
objects were calculated on a small scale, the scale
Would be sufficient to enable Parliament to perform
the requisite experiment. The present practice of build-
ing cottages on speculation, which prevailed in so many
parts of the kingdom, had a tendency to encourage po-
pulation at the very moment when it was desirable by
all proper and legitimate means to repress it. He had
already intimated that he should hereafter take the
sense of the House as to the propriety of a vote of rub-
lie money for effecting emigration on a great scale, and
whatever might be the result of that motion, he hoped
there would be no objection to his present proposal, for
leave to bring in a Bill to enable parishes in England,
under given tegulatiens, and for a limited period, to
mortgage their poor rates, for the purpose of assisting
voluntary emigration.
Mr. WARBUR TON bore testimony to the treat in-
dustry and zeal of the Right Honourable Gentleman,
Nut could not cbncur at present in The reasoning upon
Which his motion *as founded. The Right Honourable
Gentleman assumed, that if 1,200,0001. Were appro-
priated, in any year, to assist the emigration of 100,000
paupers, the interest of that sum for the year would
be but sixty thousand pounds; wheteas, if such paupers
were to remain in this country chargeable upon the poor
rates, the cost of their maintenance would be not less
than 300,0001. and he calculated that the country would
be. therefore, a Otter to the extent of 240,0001. Best he
altrigether forgot the immeasurable proportion in which
any such gain would be overbalanced by the enormous
ratio in which eopolation (especially where there was a
vacuum, occasioned by the removal of a large body, to
be filled up) was increasing in all the old as well moot
State, of the *orld. In some of these it doubled itself
in five and twenty years, which was at the rate of about
three per cent. per annum ; in others the increase was as
much as seventeen per cent. He (Mr. W.) did no: mean
to oppose the bringing in of the bill : but suggested
the* as somekrf the difficulties With which the question
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Mi. Aide:limn WAITHMAN thought that the plan
*as liable to many Objection's, but that the permission
to parishes to borro'w on their Poor Rates was one of
the Most reprehensibte poters which could, under any
circumstances, be given to them.
Mr. Secretary HUSKISSON did not think it neces.
sary to advert to any of the great principles which were
laid down in the Emigration Committee Report, be-
cause his Right Honourable Friend bad already given
notice of his intention to take the.sense of the Hoots
upon the propriety of a grant of the public money
to carry them into effect; and whenever that motion
should come on, the proper opportunity for
cussing those principles would present itself. WO
Right Hon. Friend had endeavoured to show that
there existed in this country (and so probably there did in
regard to the amount of capital and the demand for la-
bour) a redundancy of population which it was desirable
to remedy and provide for. Like all Other genial pre-
positions, however, this was one to be looked at with ive-
ral qtialifications and modifications, and aids reference
to the circumstances of the country at diffetent times.
When the Emigration Committee first sat, so convinced
was it of the indispensable necessity of a Parliamentary
grant to some of the districts in the northern parts of Eng.
land and of Stotland, to assist the population to emigrate
from the miserable condition in which the then existing
stagnation ofts ade hadleft them,that the Committee mace
a special Report on the subject. It had since happened,
however, that trade in those districts was again in full
activity—that there was an ample demand for labour.
and no desire on the part of the people to emigrate—
(Hear, hear, hear). He (Mr. Huskisson) owned that
he saw the same difficulty in the way of his Right
Honourable Friend's proposition as that which the
Honourable Member for Bridport had stated; namely.
the overpowering ratio in which the literati* of
population bore upon the limited power which this
country could exercise as to the removal cf any por-
tion of its pauper community. The same redundancy
of land, accompanied by a proportionately still greater
amount of pauperism than existing in Great Britain, ens
to be found at this moment through the Uni•ed Pro-
vinces forming the kingdom of the Netherlands; and
from whatever cause it happened, the same astonish.
ing increase of population was going on in Pomerania.
Sweden, Denmark, and all those Northern States of
Europe which bad for some time past enjoyed the
blessingi of peace. The Right Honourable Secretary
concluded by expressing his perfect readiness and
anxiety to enter upon the discussion of his Right
Hon. Friend's propositions, for no one could doubt
the immense importance of the considerations and the
interests which they involved, however he might dis-
sent from some part of the reasons upon which they
wire founded, or from the conclusions to which he bad
come. One thing was certain, that the country would
concur with him (Mr. Huskisson) in acknowledging
the debt of gratitude which was due to the Right Hon.
Gentleman for the benevolent teal, industry, and la-
bour which he had bestowed on this momentous sot ject.
Mr. CALCRAF'T was anxious to guard himself as
to the course which he should take upon this question,
being desirous, at the same time that he wished it to be
thoroughly investigated, and would not object to the
bringing in of the Bill, not to pledge himself to any of
the principles or the details of the measure. The Ho-
nourable Gentleman continued to observe, that most of
the County Gentlemen were away, and entered his
protest most strongly against that part of the lull which
introduced the funding system into parishes, and parti-
cularly objected to the power of mortgaging, which it
would confer. He was, however, of opinion that it was
due both to the Right Honourable Mover and the
Committee to allow the Bill to be brought in.
Mr. A. BARING thought the subject involved in
considerable difficulty, but thought that his Right
Hon. Friend ought to have leave to exhibit his Bill, in
order to a proper examination of its machinery. He
strongly approved of emigration, but it should be
voluntary, and every preparation should be made as to
location, itc. beforehand, as well as aid in the way t f
transport and other facilities, by tte Colonial Depart.
ment. On a smaller scale than that proposed it might
be useful, nor did he suppose that the Colonies could at
present maintain very great numbers sent out at once.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said that his Right Hon.
might differ upon some points of
theytitled to credit for the piing he had
s subject, as well as being the first to
of the country to it. He was as de-
sirous of emigration as any one, but thought it would
be productive of much more benefit were it voluntary,
tuponen ttiohen i
n than compulsory. He did not think the Bill should be
drawbdFeertliFriend,
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limited in its operation to the county of Sussex, but
should be general, and, at all events, that it was entitled
to the consideration of the House.
Mr. Alderman Warms/is explained.
Mr. HUMR was opposed to any thing like compulsory mica-
don, and thought this Would be as though foir-afthi had the fled
to bled the other fifth, said compel them to emigrate.
Mr. W. Hosron related.
The question was then put and agreed to without a 41114115.
The other Orders et the Day were then disposed eft mid As
Ileum adjourned at Hur-raim Twmvs °Ties&