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SLAVE TRADE.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH wished to ask a ques-
tion of the Noble Marquis opposite. The Noble Mar-
quis, some time ago stated, in his place in Parlia-
ment, that the only reason why the French Ministers
abstained from proposing certain measures to carry
into complete effect the intentions of the Government
of France to put down the Slave Trade was the pro-
bability of the resistance of the Chamber of Depu-
ties. It appeared, however, from a late debate on
the subject in the French Chamber, that when the
Minister of Marine was charged with the inefficient
state of the French law towards putting down that
detested traffic, he (the Minister) offered no other ex-
cuse for delay than that the Minister who was charged
with die preparation of the projet, bad not yet com-
pleted it. Now he (Sir J. Mackintosh) wished to know
from the Noble Marquis if his statement was founded
upon the authority of any written communication
with the French Minister ; and, if so, whether he
would have any objection to lay that part of the
Correspondence which related to the subject before
the House?
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that he
considered the circumstance alluded to by the Hon.
Gentleman as rather confirmatory of the truth of the
explanation which lie had given of the grounds of the,
delay imputed to the French Government. The Mi-
nister of the Marine, he understood, had declared
that the code of laws was imperfect on the subject
of the Slave Trade; that he wished some time ago to
amend it, but that, on account of the temper that
prevailed with respect to it in the Chamber of Depu-
ties, and anxious not to disturb the attention of that
Assembly, enfaged as it was in the most important
concerns of }ranee, the Minister thought it more
expedient to withhold any proposition to that effect.
He said that the indisposition of the Chambers to im-
prove the laws respecting the Slave Trade was shewn
by their each rejecting or passing over a petition pre-
sented to each Chamber, calling their attention to the
state of these laws. fie believed that there was a
strong colonial spirit in France, which rendered it
very difficult for the Government to carry on their
measures fcr the complete abolition of the traffic.
As to the information on which he had founded his
statement, he believed he had faithfully stated the
substance of it, and, under these circumstances, he
did not think it advisable to press any further discus-
sion in the matter.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, that the recent
explanation of the grounds of delay by the Minister
of Marine, was at variance with that which the No-
ble Marquis had made for him.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY considered
that die statement which he had formerly made, was
borne out by the recent discussions that had taken
piaci: in the Chamber of Deputies.

arisTmINSTER ABEVY.
Dr. PHILLIMORE said, that he was requested to
make a short statement on behalf of the Dean and
Chapter of Westminster, with; view to do away an
injurious impression, which something that had passed
in the House on Thursday last, on the subject of
public monumes.:.;, was calcul.ltted to make. He was
requested to state, that during the last twenty years
the Dean and Chapter of Westminster had expended
a sum of £39,000 in general repairs, particularly in
repairing die exterior of Henry the Seventh's Chapel.
They denied that the profits from the Coronation
would be anything like what they were estimated at.
The Dean and Chapter estimated the revenue arising
to them out of that solemnity would not exceed
£3,000, and that this revenue was applicable by
usage to many purposes. Lastly, they desired to
represent, that the public monuments could not be
kept clean; on account of the dust and smoke which
prevailed in the metropolis.
Sir C. LONG said, that he believed the statement
now made referred partly to what had fallen from
him on Thursday. He, as one of the Commissioners
for superintending the Public Monuments, was happy
to say that he considered the repairs on Henry the
Seventh's Chapel were executing in a style every way
worthy of that venerable monument- of art. As to
the preservation of the monuments, he had said, and
would repeat, that it was a matter of, surprise and
mortification to him and all those who took an jute-
test in the preservation of works of art, that more
care had not been taken of the public monuments in
Westminster Abbey. He meant no reflection on the
Dean and Chapter. He spoke generally on.the state
of the monuments, and was glad that the public at-
tention was so much directed to the condition in which
these monuments were, as much benefit might be ex-

pected from it—( Hear ). .
THE DUKE OF CLARENCF,-HER MAJESTY-AND

THE CORONATION.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved, that
the Order of the Day for reading the Duke of Cla-
rence's Annuity Bill a third time, be read.
. Mr. BERNAL warmly opposed the grant of what;
were called " the Arrears," and declared that there
had not been a single satisfactory reason alleged for
their payment. Confident as he was that the coun-
try looked at the subject in the same point of view,
he would move an Amendment, to substitute 18'21
for 1818, as the period at which the operation of the
Annuity should commence.
The SPEAKER observed, that the Bill must be
read a third time before the Amendment proposed
by the Honourable Gentleman could be received.
The Order of the Day was then read.
On the motion that the Bill be read a third time,
Mr. CREEVEY rose, not to say anything more
respecting his Royal highness the Duke of Clarence's
character or deportment, but to call the attention of
the House, and still more of the Public, to the time
at which the subject was brought before Parliament.
When a motion for repealing the Malt Tax was car-
ried in that House, the number of Members present
being 274, the Noble Marquis declared, that the
Howe was too thin finally to determine on so im-
portant a subject ; he advised Honourable Gentlemen
" not to halloo before they were out of the wood ;"
and in the end, he actually did convert the majority
of 78 for a repeal of the Tax into a majority of 90
'for its continuance! When a que.tion was carried
which was vitally important and beneficial to the
People, the Noble Marquis thought 274 Members
constituted too thin a House. Again, when the Ho-
nourable Member for Cumberland succeeded in in-
ducing a House of '254 Members to agree to a repeal
of the Agricultural Horse Tax, the Right Honour-
able Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
said it was too small a House, and that he would try
his. hand again—a resolution, however, from which
he had subsequently been diverted. A House of 274
or of 254 Members was too small to discuss a sub-
ject in which the interests of the People were at stake;
but when the proposition was for the benefit of the
Crown or any of its Members, the Noble Marquis
had no objection to a House such as that which he
(Mr. Creevey) was then addressing—a House, the
majority of which was composed of Placemen! If
ever there was an unanswerable case in favour of any
proposition, the present state of the House furnished
such a case in favour of the proposition of his Ho-
nourable Friend, the Member for Shrewsbury, to ex-
clude Placemen and Pensioners from seats in Parlia-
ment. At this late period of the Session, Placemen,
always formidable, became still more so. They were
as numerous in the House as ever, while other Ho-
nourable Members, fatigued with the laborious duties
which they had so long continued to perform, were
gone out of town. Then came the Noble Marquis
and his colleagues, and availed themselves of so ad-
vantageous a position of circumstances to get money
from the House for some one branch of the Royal
Family! It was highly objectionable to bring for-
ward such a proposition, when it must be decided by
such a House as that which he (Mr. Creevey) was
addressing; and for that, among other reasons, he
should certainly urge his opposition to the Bill to a
division, in order that the Public might see who the
Members were by whom their money was thus pro-
digally voted away.
Mr. BEECHER declared, that since he had had the
honour of a seat in that House, he had never heard
a proposition which appeared to him to be se extra-
ordinary, so unprincipled, and so extravagant, as the
proposition to pay what were called " the Arrears of
the Duke of Clarence's Annuity." It was a proposi-
tion, which, if carried, would give those who were
always ready to find fault with the constitution of
that House just ground for censure. Surely the House
of Commons were entitled to more ceremonious tr eat-
meat, than to have their grant rejected at one mo-
ment, and accepted at another, when the increased
value of the currency, or any other cause, might in-
duce the change of determination. It was hard that
the Representatives of the People were to be bound
by their first offer, but that the individual in whose
favour that offer was made was not to be bound by
his refusal. To acquiesce in such a proposition
would be to spew that the House was really indiffe-
rent about the economy of which so much had been
said, and that they were not disposed to put the dis-
tresses and reproaches of the People in competition
with the wants of his Royal Highness the Duke of
Clarence and the wishes of his Majesty's Ministers.
If, three years ago, when this grant was refused, it
`had been declared by any one, that, at a subsequent
time, Ministers would propose not only to renew the

grant, but to pay the arrears of the intervening pe-
riod, he would have been called a vile calumniator.
Any unjust imputation on their generosity the House
might answer, by declaring that what they had of-
fered three years ago they had since spent rfor every
body knew that the £lB,OOO must be borrowed in
order to be paid. Undoubtedly, therefore, he should
vote against the payment of any arrears; hot he con-
fessed that the prospective grant of £6OOO a-year
seemed to him to rest on different grounds. He was
as ready as any man- to allow any Member of the
Royal Family whatever was necessary for the main-
tenance of his dignity and the credit of the country.
He had no objection, therefore, to the grant of sir
thousand pounds a-year; although, when he recol-
lected that the Honourable Member for Aberdeen,
with whom he concurred in thinking thai the Royal
Brothers ought to be placed on the same level, had
shewn that all that was necessary for that purpose
was an allowance of £3,500 to the Duke of Clarence,
he should vote, unless the Honourable Member were
proved to be erroneous in his statement, even against
the grant of £6,000.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW regretted that the Ho-
nourable Gentleman who had just spoken had not
been in his place on Saturday evening. He would
then have heard an Honourable Gentleman, who was
in no way connected with Ministers (the Honourable
Member for East Looe) state circumstances which
sheaved the true character of the proceedings of his
Royal Highness. The Honourable Member for East
Looe had stated, that his Royal Highness, at the pe-
riod of the original grant, felt that he could live
abroad without it; but that public and domestic cir-
cumstances, which it was unnecessary to explain, had
rendered it imperative on his Royal Highness to re-
turn. In his (Mr. Seijeant Onslow's) opinion, the
payment of the arrears to his Royal Highness was
simply in the nature of an outfit.
Mr. MONCK declared that he felt himself bound
to oppose the grant, declaring that after all that he
had heard, he was persuaded there was no case made
out for its justification. In the present situation of
,the country, the simple consideration for the Ilouse
was, whether strict necessity or strict justice required
such an expenditure. It was evident that the only
way in which his Majesty's Ministers could be rcn-
dered economical was by lopping off some of the
taxes, and thereby depriving them of the means of
being otherwise.
Lord A. HAMILTON intimated his intention of
moving a Resolution, that it might appear on the
Journals in the shape of a Protest against the im-
propriety, without an immediate Message from the
Crown, of voting a Parliamentary grant like the
present on a Message sent three Parliaments ago, and
under another reign.
Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that his opinion on
the question of the arrears to his Royal Highness was
well known. There was an evident distinction bes
tween that question and the question of the prospec-
tive grant of £6,000 a-year. In consequence of
what had passed on a recent occasion, when he was
not present, with respect to the approaching solem-
nity of the Coronation, he felt it right to state the
reasons of the delay which had been imputed to her
Majesty, or to the Law Officers of her Majesty, in
asserting her Majesty's claim to be included in that
ceremony. In the first place, the delay in question
had by no means been to the extent stated by the
Noble Marquis. He had been told that the Noble
Marquis said there had been two months delay—
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY--" About
,two months."

Mr 13ROUGHAM Well, about two months.
If it had been a week more or less, he would not
have quarrelled with the Noble Marquis oh the sub-
ject; but there was a great difference between two
months and one month. He would now state pre-
cisely what had been the extent of the delay. It was
on the 21st of May that the Noble Nialquis delivered
his opinion in the House on the subjcct of the Coro-
nation, which subject had never before that period
been mentioned. An lion. Friend of his had put a
question to the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, on the occasion of a discussion respect-
ing the 'Ordnance Estimates. To the part of that
question which respected the Coronation, the Right
Hon. Gentleman 'made no answer. The question
did not refer to any claim on her Majesty's part to
be crowned, but merely to ascertain if provision had
been made to enable her Majesty to attend on that
occasion? His Hon. Friend laboured under a mistake
if he supposed that any express permission to attend
was necessary; because, of course, her Majesty had
the same right as that enjoyed by any of his Ma-
jesty's subjects, to attend as a spectator of the cere-
mony. The question, however, was taken up by the
Noble Marquis as if it related to a right claimed by
her Majesty to be crowned herself; and the Noble
Marquis thereupon declared that it was clearly his
opinion, that an act of the Crown was requisite to
enable her Majesty to be so crowned—for that al-
though she was Queen Consort, he was clearly of
opinion, that both in usage and in law, it rested with
the King to decide whether she should be crowned
or not. The Noble Marquis added, that he might
as well then say, that neither he nor his colleagues
were prepared to advise such an act of the Crown.
On this he (Mr. Brougham) immediately protested
against the Noble Marquis's doctrine, and desired to
be understood, that he by no means admitted that
her Majesty had no right to be crowned without such
an act. This he had said, lest his silence should be'
interpreted into an assent to the Noble Marquis's pro-
position. That was all that occurred on the 21st of
May. Was it a necessary consequence, either that
the solemnity of the Coronation should take place,
or that the Noble Marquis's opinion should be acted
upon, and her Majesty be excluded from a partici-
pation in the ceremony? It had been justly oh-,
served by his Hon. and Learned Friend on a recent
occasion, that her Majesty's law advisers were not
placed in the same situation with reference to her
Majesty, as his Majesty's responsible advisers were
with reference to the King. It was not for them to
initiate any proceeding. They were to receive the
orders of her Majesty, and not to suggest any course
of proceeding. But even if it were otherwise, it
would have been their duty to wait until the Coro-
nation should be actually proclaimed—(//ear, hear).
' Nay more, it would have been their duty to act un-
der the recollection, that although a Proclamation
was issued on the 6th of May, 1820, dechn ing that
the Coronation should take place on the Ist August,
in that year, another Proclamation was issued in

July, putting the Coronation off. It was of course
natural that her Majesty, and her Majesty's Law
Officers should wait until they saw a fresh Prod*.
mation, fixing the time for the Coronation. That
Proclamation was dated on Saturday, the 9th of
June. It did not appear in the Gazette until T.
day, the 12th of June. Now, the Memorial to the
king in Council, in which her Majesty claimed her
tight to be crowned, was prepared, and went of
from his (Mr. Brougham's) chambers on the 23d of
June, so that the delay which had taken place, and
of which the Noble Marquis had complained, /rat
exactly eleven days. When it was considered that
in those eleven days it had been neces;ary for him to
go through all the documents comected with thi
subject, and to make up his mind as to the advic,
which he should give her Majesty, unOer circum;
stances of such extraordinary importance, he cer
tainly. did not think that any great blame would be
imputed to him for the delay. He might also men,
tion the accidental and unfortunate circumstance #
the extreme indisposition of his Hon. and Learnt'
Friend. who about that period had been confined a
his bed for upwards of a fortnight. Some impert,
ment, too, had arisen in consequence of the holidays,
which had occasioned the shutting tip the British
Museum, in which he had found it necessary to
search for some essential papers. He ought to add,
however, that great courtesy bad been shewn him by
the persons in the superintendence of that establish.
ment, so as to enable hfm to visit it twice, noruith;
standing its being shut to the Public. At the same
time, the closing of the Institution was 'certainly ai
impediment to his inquiries, as he felt the expediency
of not trespassing on the indulgence which he had
experienced. Under all these circumstances, how.
ever, her Majesty's Memorial was delivered in na
Monday, the 25th of June. He would altoghee
abstain at present from saying anything on the mat.
ter of that Memorial, understanding that it was us.
der consideration, and feeling it impossible to antici.
pate such an answer as
,should preclude him from
being heard in a proper quarter in support of het
Majesty's claim. As to the argument grounded Oa
the ne.ir approach of the Coronation, they were very
much deceived who supposed that there was any
want of time in which to listen to such an applica.

tions Between the • present period and the period
fixed for the Coronation there was an interval of se-
venteen days. There were instances in which the
Proclamation for announcing a Coronation had heat
issued only sixteen days before the period at which
that Coronation was appointed to take Mace. There '
bad been instances of changes in the ai tangeinents
for a Coronation, made in a subsequent Prociaiiia-
tion, only nine days before the period at which the
Coronation was appointed to take place. There ad
been instances of such changes having been pro
claimed only two days before the period at which
the Coronation was appointed to take place. To talk
therefore, of time now presAng, or of inconvenience
resulting from any imputed delay, was to talk with
utter neglect of all precedent and usage.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY denied having
intended to throw any reflection on her Majestys
Law Advisers in their professional capacity. He
had only contrasted the rapidity with which they ex-
pected an answer to their application with the slow-
ness with which they had 'ride it. lie wished, haw-
ever, to render himself more intelligible to the Ho-
ncurable and Learned Gentleman than it appeared he •'
had been. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman
had particularly adverted to what had fallen Iron
him (the Marquis of Londonderry), car the `list of
May. Undoubtedly, he had on that occasion as-
sumed that it was the right of the Crown to deter-
mine whether or not her Majesty should be crowned,
and therefore that her being crowned was a question
on her part of indulgence and favour, and not of
tight. But it was not on that occasion alone that he
had expressed such an opinion. He was sure the
Honourable and Learned Gentleman and the House
must recollect that there had been hardly.any one de-
bate, either in the present or in the list Session, in
which he had not distinctly, and as far as his own
impression went, contrasted what he considered to be
the rights of her Majesty by law, with those immn-
limes to which she could become entitled only by the
grace and favour of the Crown. Among the latter
he had always enumerated the Coronation of her
Majesty, and her reception at Court. The Honour-
able and Learned Gentleman's attention therefore
must have been called to the opinion of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers on the subject long ago. It was not
on the 21st of May that the Honourable and Learned
Gentleman first heard any of his Majesty's Ministers
declare that, in their opinion, her Majesty had no
right to demand to be crowned. What passed on
the 21st of May, was occasioned only by the atten-
tion which her Majesty's application had called to
the subject. Her Majesty had written to his Noble
Colleague (Lord Liverpool), desiring to know in what
form she was to be received at the Coronation, and
who were to be her attendants ? The answer was,
that her Majesty had no tight to attend; that it was
in the discretion of the Crown to permit her attend-
ance, and that the King's Servants did not feel it
their duty to advise his Majesty to allow of her Ma-
jesty's participation in the ceremony. On this her
Majesty sent a rejoinder, re-asserting her right, and
declaring her intention to be present, unless expressly
prohibited. To this peremptory declaration on the
part of her Majesty, an answer as peremptory, though
respectful, was given, again denying her Majesty's
right, again stating that his Majesty had nit been
advised to receive her, and adding that, of courses
her Majesty would consider that intimation as a pro-
hibition of her attendance. Under these circumstances
therefore the Hon. and Learned Gentleman could non
complain of any want of warning on the subject--
When he (the Marquis of Londonderry) laid down
what he conceived to be the law on the subject, the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman did noi lay down his
counter-law. It was impossible to suppose that the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and his Hon. and
Learned Friend wanted zeal in the cause of thee
Royal Mistress. Their conduct had always sheays.
the reverse. But, really, it was very hard that ho
Majesty's Ministers should be reprimanded, and
taunted, and called over the coals, and that a dal •
Ishould be selected for that purpose, when it was veal
possible that not one of them would be in his placer.
because a Memorial which had been presented en
Monday bad not been answered on Saturday ; a Mt' •
morial also, be it observed, which it bad taken the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman so long to PrePrel

tile he had found it necessary to go to -the British
mamma and enter into various other researches for
that purpose. And here he begged leave to remark,
that although the Hon. and Learned. Gentlemen felt
that they could not present the Memorial from her
Majesty until after the Proclamation for the Corona-
tion had issued, it by no means followed that they
should not in the interim have been collecting mate
rials for it. After all, therefore, they need not have•
been taken so unawares as they professed to have been.
He repeated, that, tinder all these circumstances, it
was very hard that Ministers should have been re-
prOuched, almost, indeed, as if they bad been guilty
of a denial of justice. The manner of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman on a recent occasion had, indeed,
been so significant and criminatory towards himself
(Lord Londonderry), that he had abstained from. par-
ticular details in his reply, and bad felt himself in a
situation to give only a general answer to questions
ful. of Insinuations and charges. When it was•con-
sidered that the Proclamation for the Coronation was
issued on the 9th of June, and that sixteen days
elapsed before her Majesty's Memorial was prepared
and delivered in, it was really hard that Ministers
`should be eharged with neglect, because on the 30th
of June they had not given a formal answer to a
formal claim of right, made only on the '2sth. It
was, in fact, only on the morning of the present day,
that the first application to his Majesty in Council
had been made by her Majesty, to be heard by
her Counsel in support of her claim. The House
woul perceive that there had been three Memorials.
The first was on the 25th of May ; but it was
addressed to his Majesty as Sovereign, and not to
the King in Council. it was, however, referred
to the consideration of the Crown Lawyers.—
On the 25th of June, another application, that which
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman had advised,
was made by her Majesty, praying to be heard by
Counsel. This was equally as informal as the first ;
for it was an application to his Majesty, not in Coun-
cil, but in his character as Sovereign. Being a re-
gular claim of right, however, Ministers would have
conceived themselves guilty of a great want of re-
spect, if they had advised his Majesty to reply to that
Memorial. without a renewed reference to the Crown
Lass; cis. It was referred to them on the 27th, and
it could be no imputation on their attention or dili-
gence, if, on the 30th, or, in other words, in three
da)s, they did not answer a document, to the pre-
paration of which, according to the Honourable and
Learned a entleman's own statement, he had found
it necessary to devote sixteen days. The answer
which hal been returned, both to the first and the
seco.ad Memorial, which, he repeated, were equally
infroal, was, that his Majesty had been advised
that her Majesty had no right to the claim which she
advanced, and consequently that no directions had
been given for a compliance with it. That had led,
to the third Memorial, the first ist which the proper
formalities bad been observed. That Memorial had
been received only this evening. It had been sub-
mitted to his Majesty without delay, and it was now
his duty to state to the Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman and to the House, that his Majesty had been
advised that the application must be considered as
refem rina, not to a matter of right, but to a matter
of grace and favour; and that his Majesty had in
consequence given orders that her Majesty should be
heard by her Counsel. Before he sat down, he must
repeat that the intended Coronation had been a topic
of public notoriety for many months, and, therefore,
that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, and
his Honourable and Learned Colleague, had had
abundant time to prepare their assertion of what
they conceived to he her Majesty's claim, without
the interposition of any delay whatever.
Mr. DENMAN, after the declaration of the Noble
Marquis, that the application of her Majesty to be
heard by her Counsel was to be complied with, was
not anxious to detain the House on the subject, or to
:hew the difference between some of the remarks
which the Noble Marquis had just made, and those
which bad fallen from him on the last meeting of the
House. If on that occasion there had been any im-
proper violence in his (Mr. Denman s) manner, he
was sorry for it. It probably originated from his
conviction of her Majesty's right to the claim which
she made, and to his opinion that the delay from
Monday to Saturday ought not to have taken place
before his Majesty's Ministers returned an answer to
her Majesty's application, since they must have fully
considered the subject before they determined on her
Majesty's exclusion. That was the subject of the
complaint which he now made. How far the Noble
Marquis would be considered by the House and
the country to have answered that complaint, by
saying that his Honourable and Learned Colleague
and himself had not attended to the Noble Mar-
quis's observations on the subject, he knew not.—
Undoubtedly he did not conceive that iris Hon. and
Learned Friend and himself were bound to put for-
ward—he did not conceive that they would havebeen
justified in putting forward her Majesty's legal claim
to participate in the ceremony of the Coronation, un-
til, morally speaking, no doubt could exist that the
Coronation would actually take place. The mere
preparations for the Coronation were not a sufficient
ground for their moving; for last year even a Pro-
clamation was issued, appointing the period of the
Coronation, which was nevertheless revoked. Nor
could be conceive that her Majesty, or those by whom
her Majesty was advised, had been bound to pay the
slightest attention to what the Noble Marquis had
said in that House. On the contrary, in his opinion,
his Hon. and Learned Friend and himself would have
acted most improperly had they done so; or had they
taken any step until they could entertain no doubt
that the Coronation was fully and finally determined
on. He was aware that there had been an applica-
tion from her Majesty to Lord Liverpool, to which
the Noble Marquis had alluded. That application
was made by her Majesty herself, while his Honour-
able and Learned Friend and himself were absent
from Loan, on the Cirfuits. Her Majesty had not
made a legal applicatiOn to his Majesty in Council,
until so advked by her Legal Advisers—(Hear).—
His Hon. and Learned Friend and himself had moved
as soon as they thought they ought to move, and not
before. He (Mr. Denman) had no wish like that
imputed to him by the Noble Marquis, of crimi-
naung the Noble Marquis, except in self-defence—
tHeer).—But, undoubtedly, whether his Hon. and
Learned Friend and himself could be justly consi-
dered as having been tardy or not, he must still
think that the delay from Monday to Saturday,which

had taken place in returning, an anwer to her Ma-
jesty's Memorial, was not justifiable, when the near
approach of the plriod fixed for the Coronation, and
the conviction that, on such a subject, the minds of
his Majesty's Ministers must have been previously
made up, were considered. It had been imputed to
him by mistake, that he said on Saturday that the
exclusion of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy
was a warning that it was not intended that her Ma-
jesty should be crowned. He had not said anything
of the kind. He believed that he had not mentioned
.the exclusion from the Litnigy ; but at any rate he
could not have mentioned it as having any bearing
on the question of the right of her Majesty to be
crowned. Understanding now, from the Noble Mar-
quis, that the question would be put in a course of
judicial discussion, he would not say a single word
on the right of her Majesty to be crowned; but
would merely observe, that if her Majesty's Law
Advisers had conceived that her Majesty's exclusion
from the Liturgy implied her exclusion from the
right of being crowned, it would certainly have been
their duty to move sooner than they did. Not so
conceiving, he thought they had moved as soon as
they ought, and he thought her Majesty had a right
to complain that the opinion which must of necessity
have been long ago formed on her claim, had not been
sooner communicated to her. _

Mr. BROUGHAM confirmed the statement of his
Honourable and Learned Friend, that the first Me-
morial on the part of her Majesty was made without
any communication with her Legal Advisers. The
first time at which his Honourable and Learned
Friend felt themselves called upon to consider of the
advice which they should give her Majesty on the
subject was when the Proclamation was issued, fixing
the period for the Coronation ; and they met for that
purpose the day after.
The Bill was then read a third- time. _

Mr. BERNAL proceeded to move his Amend-
ment, namely, to substitute the year 1821 for the
year 1818, as the period from which the grant•was
to commence.—On this the House divided—

For the Amendment - - - 33
Against it
Majority in favour of the original Motion —6l

Lord A. HAMILTON moved a Resolution (to be
entered on the journals), expressive of his dissent
from the late proceedings with respect to the grant
to the Duke of Clarence as irregular, and declaring
that any provision for the junior branches .of the
Royal Family ought to be preceded either by a Mes-
sage from the King to Parliament, or an Address
from Parliament to the King.
Atter a few words from the Marquis of LONDON-
DERRY, the Resolution was put, and negatived with-
out a division.—The Bill was then passed.