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Prom certilo Fereters and others ice. the vicinity of Lewes, by
it Earl etiOSIMO NT.
FrodiLocasterand Illenvkk upon Tweed,by Lard Gann:sta.
Rom certain Parishes in the County of Somerset, by the Earl
ef CARNATION.
From a umber of Individuah, Occupiers of Land, and ethers,
ja sad am muds Mohan, in the County of Devon, by Earl
fear isms.
dame eoeversation ensued between the Noble Earl and Lew&
but on this occasion, io eonseveure of some remarks front
tie firmer as to its peculiar situation of the Petitioners, and
With the Noble Baron seemed to differ in opinion. In the noon"
dies observaeons, Lord Rolle said, that were lt deemed tortes-
wy, be was willing, for his an, that the Property 'fa: alsould
Whammed to 10 per cent. so that it would go co relieve *shire
ass of the people.
On die atotioo of Lord GRENVILLE. an Account of the
brow of Ws Commissariat and Barrack Departments was
waned lobe laid before the Moue.
l'lNECsett PLAN Of !we
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, after briefly
&new g the general question of the Income Tax,
supectrog which he observed, that none of done ar-
guments which were used for its adoption in time of
war, had the kto application to its enactment in
timed peace, stated, that he felt himself peculiarly
called upon to address their Lordships, in cense.
quenceoftertain rumours out of that House which
had recently reached bins. and to state a distinct opi.
Mon on the subject to whiCh these rumours referred.
It ass first stated, he understood, that the Income
Tax had bees doublld in I8(,6. This he was called
upon to correct in the first instance. The Tax upon
Income had been re-enacted under another name, at
the instance of a Noble 'Viscount, at the rate of 5 per
weteuit inns aherwards increased • to fig per mist. W
Usti ae increased expenditure of war, by Mr. Pitt ;
sad as Adminislration of which he had the honour
Oft= a pan in 1806, had increased it farther to 10
pr cent. This was done at a period when the loan
dthe preceding year had been extraordinary great,
sax the great demands from the exigencies of war
posed hard upon the finances of the country.
,sheidy overburdened with indirect taxes. 'He still
lined, as he did then, that there *as no other re.
Rayne for meeting the pressure of the times, than that
Alto raising the Property Tax ; and he must state his
, - to take a share of all the responsibility at-
t. to that measure, and whatever unpopularity
attach to it, he was at all times ready to en.
miser. But there was another important subject
it had been touched urn which bound him to
Mbthe earliest opportunity of thus publicly noticing.'
&meant respecting the Plan of Finance, which it
his his official duty to submit to the House of
hisses in 1807. All the responsibility of that
Rees, it appeared, was to attach to him ; all the
!nit, sad it may properly be attributed, to his Noble
rnwd sear him. Respecting this, he was not a little
~Pdlo hear it had been stated that it was the
rite* intention of the authors of this plan to coo..
rer de Property Tar in time of peace.--(Near,
Ha had, on his 'own behalf and that of his
Robb Friend, to contradict such an assertion in di-
et Minns. In point of fact it was directly the reverse.
?WO! this contradiction did not rest solely upon
mon authority. There were recorded proofs sp-
lint* to every part of the discussion that took
. The proofs which be could obtain were only
Ihne:—first, What proceeded from the proposers of
4thn—secondly, Fro the oppose,* of the
phtr—
yr From the Resolution adoptell by the Hoot*,
ccanmons.-..fourthly, From the Bill craws,.
PPlignce of these Resolutions—and lastly. rims j
westimony of the supporters of them. All &mei
ellhorities would be found to agree. that the
?1/contrary to what was alledgod had been the
%dm of his Noble Friend and of himself. He
Id shortly state, that in every stage of it it was
Pored that the object which was most guarded
Oen, was the supposition that it had been intend.
to continue the terOpelly Tax, in tinte of Pence.
Nom, lime).—The vet y last sentence of the pro-
, .5 would shew, that such was the leading is-
, of their authors. Phis was read by his Lard.
11 and imparted, that a reference to the annexed
is would shew how many resources under
Principles of the plan would obtain for meeting
dilkulties of such a situation as was before con-
" without precluding that relief from the
' away the Property Tax. to whieh the public
naturally look for on the return of Yew.—
(7,, bear)..—After seeing that recorded, it was
72!‘i in the face of England, that it was then in
i'lemPlation to have flee Tax continned.—(Hear,
..."Arers all from Me Opposition side of Me Hot se).—
expestiy stated in theplan, that the applica•
kof the Excise and Custom Duties would obtain
„es ow,
Resolutions the exclusion cf. the Property
onolutions were isdooted by the House nearly
• ' YI and Fsitlrout slmisnallest settles= be-1

Made to any intention of coniinning the Pro-
perty Tax in tone of Peace. That such was the
facr, would apptat sir the ResolutiOns, as well a%
the recorded opininets of the supporters generally of
the.plan. One Right Honourable Gentleman parti
cuiarly was .at the time in close official, connexion
with his' Roble Friend and himself. He believed'
Chaneellor Of the Exchequer, whims he was
quote as an slither. should be one of the
persous'en have countenanced such an assertion s
he Maned to have recollected in eight eesty
what he had fivegotten in three years alter ace
Aragon of the plus. The Chancellorof the
suer' had eauved an able speech of brs to be
enskin which he admitted, that no intention
of eantinutng the Property 'las in time of
He stated, that no Minister or creature ever
of continuing it ib time of Peace, even not
Instal grint. It was therefore very extraor-
thal he could have recoleeeted in eight years
he bad Ibrgottio in.- three years atter the
He Would new 0 au, the npinieste of at.
es of the systenkS,ond here' he had a suttee
Piece of rod fortune,. in being able to-Terri th
*mimeo piloted by themselves, in oppositiod to
, and brought forward in a particelar place;
was rather extraf4dinery, that in tell l'eekk
they had not urged so capital in objection. It was
known that Lord Castlereagh himself. bad brought
forward a long string of resolutions respecting a plea
of Finance, in opposition to that which he (the N 'tile
Marquis) had submitted. One of those resolutions
bore directly upon the subject. This would be.found
to state, in express terms, when referring to a cum.
sponding part of the original plan._ that the Properiy
Tax was one of those which could not be with pro.
contikued in time of Peace. Could it then
'possibly be . alledged by Lord Castlereagh, that a
continuation of the Property Tax had been preme-
ditated 4 the time?— .(Near, hear).—lt may be con-
venient to hold one opinion upon one occasion, and
on another, to held an opinion directly the reverse !
But it was lather too much. he thought, to affirm
now,the direct contrary to what appeared on the face
lid hos own resolutions. He mu,t certainly be allow-
ed to have the best understood his own plan. He
must have been much distressed for argument so to
pervert the measures followed by his predecessors in
office. He was cattails that those misrepresentations,
if not intentional. proceeded from an extraordinary
'degree of forgetfulness. But he was sure such were
not calculated to produce an impression on the good
sense of the Public, 'or tend to induce their acquies-
cence in the continuance in the time of Peace of a
great measure, which had been projected only to
meet the esigenties of the country in a time of war.'
As to the merits of the plan adverted to, he was ready
at any time to go into a discussion of them, either in
point of principle Of in tletaljb . .
The Erwl of.LIVSIPOOL dadathought it
important not to allow the observations of the Noble
Marquis to pass without saying a few words with re-
spect to them. At the same time he must generally
admit, the prevnt was not the occasion to bring for-
ward any question as to the expediency of continu-
ing the Property Tax. A period would come whin
that question would be regularly before, the House.
He would make no complaint as to what was stated
respecting what was alledged to be said elsewhere,
nor lay any stress-on the irregularity of referring to
it; bat the point which he complained of in this
question was, that endeavours bad been made to
persuade the public that either Ministers or ,Parlia.
tricot had ever pledged their faith that the Property
Tax should not be continued so as to preclude Par-
liament from exercising its discretion upon the sub-
rWhen that should come under consideration.
the question under the circumstances be decided
upon its own merits, but it could not be justly con-
tended that any Administration had ever pledged
itself that the Property Tax, either in the whole or
in part, or that Parliament was ever so pledged,
that in no circumstances the Property Tax should
be continued in a time of Peace. On the contrary.
he would say. that Parliament had never so coon.
mitted itself, as must appear from the whole of what
bad taken place since the year 1799. when it was first,
'proposed under the mune of the. Income Tax, by Mr..
Pitt. Upon that occasion, though originally pro.
posed as a war tax, the consideratim was oat there.
lore precluded, whether or not under particular cir-
cumstances, it may be continued in a time °fleece.
—lt was a fact well known to the world, that the
effect of 111/8311114 which were subsequently adopted,
would have been to have' pledged this tax, with cei..
bin others, for a suns of a 8 millions, and by that
weeny the Property Tax would have beta MOrt•
gaged, if his Noble friend, who afterwards soccee4ed
'to the head of the Administration, had not proposed
to Parlianient to fuild these 56esillions, and pro.,
'tided taxes for the payment .of the interest. ill
'could. therefore, never have been in the contempla.
tion of Parliament, that any contract was made be-
tween it and the public, that the tax should not, upon
any account, be continued in time of peace. Upon
the renewal of hottilitiee his Noble Friend proposed
a tax upon a similar principle, at-the rate of five per
met. but under new regulation. Nothing in that,
,enactment involved any pledge that at the cessation,
al war it might not have been continued, as it was at
first proposed, in ease of other burthens. On the
contrary, it was regarded as an open queition, to
judged of according to circumstances. And he must
beg leave to bring it to their Lordsbipe recollectioe,
what be had himself stated in the last Session of
Parliament, when be proposed the continuance of the
tax, to meet the exigencies 'of' the coming weer. He
bad expressly stated, not the coarse which he thought',
should be taken by Parliament, in war or peace with'
respect to it, but that it would be a question at the
time !or Parliament to consider, under all tire ,
cir-
cumstances the case. But be sight to come
plain that it should be said thar any engagement had
been ever entered lam either by Ministers or by Pat.
liana* to ablltaill OM adopting the tag, if it were

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