Star.
London, England, 1820-10-17 00:00:00

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 'l7, l S2O.

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idle. Is that house now called the Villa Bergami?—Yes, at
proton it.is-called the Villa Bergami.
wilow long has it been so called ?—A little time ago.
. How long ago ?—About three months ago.
Do yoti swear it was not called the Villa liergami till within
these three months ?—After it was purchased by the. Baron- it
was called the Villa Bergami.
How long ago was it called the Villa Bergami?—Bergami
bought it In Igl6.
After Bergami purchased it did you continue 'to work there
as a carpenter ?—I have.
Did you continue Ro work at the Villa for Bergami up to the
present time?—When he was the master I worked for him,
when other persons were masters I worked for them.
When did you last see Bergami?--I do not quite recollect;
it must have been in August I think.
Where ?—at his house.
Did you see him anywhere else:4—T have seen him in no
other place, for I never went out of the house.
Did yeki ace him the day you left the Villa Bergen-1?-1i did
not.

How long before 7--I left the Villa Dergami on the 20th of
September. I saw him in August, but Ido not know the day.
Will rui swear that you did not see him in September ? l
cannot swear. It must have been the latter end of August, or
the beginning of September. I have no memorandum. I can-
not tell.

How !log before leaving the Villa did you see Bergami ?—I
cannot tell whether it was the end of August or beginning of
September.
How many days was It before you left do not know how
many days.
Was it a week?—More thin a week:

Was not Bergarni Being there at the time you left ?—No, he
had set out—gone away.
Who desired you to come over as a witness ?—No one; my
own will.

Do you mean to swear you came voluntarily, without any
person applying to you for the purpose ?—I came here by my
own will, because I heard that the Advocate Bolazzi was re-
ceiving testimony, and I went to him and said I had something
to say about that Lady, who had dime a great deal of good.
The Interpreter, the Marchese Spinetti, gave his answer,
" who had done me a great deal a good."
This was noticed, and the right answer given.
Do you mean that the Princeu had done you much good or
much good to others?—To me and to all the people at the Sa-
mna She has done me a great deal of good, and to all the peo-
ple is general.

Will you swear that you went to Bolazzi of your own accord
without any application being made to you ?—Yes, I will swear
that before any tribunal.
Did any person apply to you to go to Bolazzi before you
went there ?—No •' I heard that Bolazzi received depositions
about the Lady, and I went of my own accord. -
When did you go to Bolazzi?—On the 24th of August.
Was Bergami then at the Villa Bergami ?—He was not.
Was he at 'Milan at the time ?—lle was not, as far as I know.
Did any perron desire you to come over here as a witness?—
Yes, Bolazzi told me, if you have any deposition to make you
may go, because your deposition is good.
Were you examined by liolazzi?—Yos.
Was any Ather. person present at the time'?—There was
nobody present.
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Bolaizi having said you might go, did you come over of your
own accord?—Yes; because I told him, that if it had been a
business that required me to go 100 miles, I would go willingly.
After you were examined by 13olazzt, and before setting out
for England, did you see any other persdn,on the sUbject?—Yes,
I have seen another Advocate at Milan.
When?—(lei the day after I saw Bolazii.
Who was with the English Advocate when you saw him ?
I have been in his own house, and I saw only him. I went of
my own accord to himeas I did to Bolazzi.
Did you see uo other. person but these two on the subject of
your coming over 2—Not at that time.
At any time 2—When he came one day to the Barons, I saw
him, 13olazzi, and another person.
Who was he ?—I do not know.

Was he an Englishman or an Italian T—l think he was a fo-
reigner; I believe be was an Englishman; I did not speak to
him ; I took them up stairs tc shew them the house.
Da you know Vassali?—l do.
Did you see him previous to your coming here?—Yes, I did.
When was it you saw him ; how long before your setting out?
—lt was in the mopth of August, but I have not present the day.
Before or after seeing Bolazzi?—After.
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Did you tome over to England by yourself, or in the com-
pany of other persons?--I came over with my head-master,
Garoliai, and three other persons.
Where did you see Vassali ; at the Villa d'Eate, or at Milan ?
—At Milan.

Where?—Near his house. He was getting into his carriage.
lhd you call at his house?—lio, I never called at his house.
WM; that the only time you saw Vassall?—l have seen him
many times in 1817 and in 1818.
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Besides the time you saw him at Milan, did you see him at
any other time os this business?—l have seen him here In this
country. Ido not know where. In London.
Did you pay your own expenses- of coming over, in come-
quence of your coining voluntarily ?—I have not.
Who paid them ?—My head master, who paid all the ex-
penses ; for he paid for all.
Who is your bead master ?—Gaorlinl.
Is he your master when you live at the Villa 13ergaini?—Re is.
What are you to be paid for coming here as a witness ?—Tbis
is it. When I went to the Advocate, I told him if this is to be
an afar of a little time, I have no objection to go.
The question was repeated; when the witness said—l told
him if I was to go a hundred miles, I would go without any
interest.

Wham are you to be paid for coming here ?—As to the pay I
cannot' tell, bccause when I saw the Advocate, I tald him if he
would give some trifle to my family, I would go for that Lady
to the end of the world.

Do you not_ expect to receive something for coming here ?
If they would take care of my family, I would have no expec-
tation for' myself.
What pay sloes your family receive?—This it is; they give a
livre (teprenct:) for my wife, and half a livre (fivepence) to
each of my children (daughters).
Is that all you are to receive, or expect to receive, for coming
here ?—This is the assistance to my family. As to myself, if
they give use anything I will take it ; but if not; I do not care.
I do not expect anything.
Will you swear you have not made an Agreement for a sum of
money for coming here ?—This I can swear, that I have made
no agreement whatever; but as some people have hopes, I may
have some hopes also.
Then I understand you have hopes of remuneration ?—I have
told yAi that I have no hopes. For that lady, the Princess, for
the benefits I have received from her, I would go to the end of
the world.

You stated when you were last here, that when Rastelli
CAITIC to the Villa Bergami, he came with the son of your head
master. What was the name of that son ?—Antonio Ciao/lini.

Is Antonio Gaorlini an architect, as his father is ?—He is more
clever .than his father.
Did not young Gaorlini take a plan of the•house 2—Yes. they
made a little drawing.
Did not young Gaorlini make a little drawing or plan 2—Yes ;
when Antonio Gaorlial came to the Barons with De Mont, 'tae-'
telli, and some other persons, Gaorlini was upstairs, and they'
made a drawing or plan.
Did you see Gaurlini go away with them after making this
plan?—\o, the others went away in a carriage. Gaorliai and
&we'll went out of another doqr, and they began to leap for
joy, and congratulate each other.
As you lived at this Barona some years, do you remember any
dances when the Princess and klergami were there?—.Ye.
'remember it. •

1)o you know a person of the noose of Androgini?—Yes, I
do; he was Lieutrantof the rolice.
What was the eittent of the grounds of the Villa Barons ?—I
do not know precisely, bat I suppose abbot 1000 perches.

Has not Androgini several daughters 7--He has a deal of chit-
dress, male and female. .
Did his daughters use to be present at these talls.7—They
came one evening when her Royal Highness 'expressed a wish to
see the family coming from one father and one mother.
What other persona were present at these balls ?—They were
all people well brought up from a father and a mother, and the
father was always present.
I am not asking of Androgiol ; but were there not present
people of the neighbourhood in a low situation in life 7—There
were other girls, but they were all well brought up people.
In what situation of life?—All Gentlefolks: Gentlemen and
• Ladiei. • 1
All.gentlefolks, both male
,and female?—Yes, Androgini is a
gentleman, and all the others were gentlefolks. *
Do you knew a persbn named .Maria Gallati?—Perhaps she
might have gone there.
Who is she ?—I don't know her positively.
Does she not keep the public-house called St. Christopher°
You must mistake the name; 'tis not the name of the person
who keeps that house.
What is the name of the landlady ?—Rosina.
• Dow long is she there ?—A long time. She has been an Inn-

keeper ,there. •
ihe been at these balls?—Yes, she came ; she has been
brunght by these gists. But she is a respectabli woman. She
is not a bad woman.
Is she one of those gentlefolk* you describe who used to fre-
quent these balls?-.Yes. She came only once.
Is she cafe of the gentlefolks you describe ?—She was the mo-
ther of another girl who used to go there. She was mistress of
the Si. Christopbero Inn.
Is there another Inn at the Barons ?—Yes.
Who beeps k?—Bergami is the muter.
Yei, but whotteps it?—The innleeper—(A laugh).
What is his name ?—Glovanni Angelo : his father was called
A ntowlie.

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Did his wife and her sister use to go to those balls ?—They
came only once.
What is the wife's sister?—She has no sister.
Do you know a person named Baptiste, who lives at-the Ba-
rons, a blacksmith?—No, there is nu Haptiite there.
What is the name of the blacksmith ?—Antonio Manli.
Was he and his family at those balls ?—No ; first of all he has
no daughters; he has three sons.
Was he or his sons at the ball T—No,•I never saw them.
You say you are a carpenter. Do you remanber ever having
done anything to a door up stairs in the Barona?—'es, T have
made all the doors.

Do you remember, on one occasion, going up stairs to Mend a
door at the Barona?—llow am Ito remember that, having been
there KO times 1.—(4 laugh).
Do you recollect, upon an occasion-of the kind, seeing her
Royal Highness?—No: In that time I have not seen her when
I was mending a door. I have seen her down stairs and up
stairs many times, but not when mending a door.
Did-you ever see her Royal Highness up stairs.?—Yes, in her
own room.

Was it when you were mending the door you saw her ?—No;
it was when I mended a chest of drawer..
Where was it you saw her Royal
.Highness at that time ?—ln
her own room, when I was coming up.
Was Ilergami with her?—No, I did not sec him.
Did you not see liergami anywhere on that occasion?—Nn.
Will you swear you did apt see Bergasui on this occasion ?
Yes, before Goo I'll swear I did not.
Did you see, at any time, I3ergami and her Royal Highness
in her bed-room?—Never.
Have you never stated that you have seen hint and the Prin-
cess in her bed-room ?—How am 1 to tell stall a thing, when I
never saw it? •
I don't ask you that:; but whether you ever said you saw them
hi the bed-room together?—l never did.
Will you swear you never said you saw theni in her room ?
I am ready to swear I never said I ever siw them in her room.
. Have you not said you went up stairs to mend a etsest of
drawers?—Yes, I have said that I went up sairs to mend the
chest of drawers.

Was it on that occasion you saw the Princess in her bed.
room ?—Yes.

Now did you never say you saw, upon that occasion or any
other, her Royal Highness and Bevgami in her Royal Ilighnes-
bed-room together?—How often am Ito say " No."—(mil fauzit)
I never did. I rsevet said, ftor have lever seem it.
Did you know the wife of Bergami ?—Yes.
Have you been at the Villa Bergami?—Yes; before I set out
for England she was there.
Did you see the little•Vietorine at the Villa, where you saw
the wife of Bergami?—No; she was not at home : she was at
sciwoL

Where?—l don't know the place.
State the names of the gentlefolks who went to the balls at
the Villa 2.-1 cannot mention them.

Can you mention any of the Ladies?—Marianne Donarina,
Duselle Dl:marina, and I could name others, if they were before
my eyes. 4 -
Where does Marianne Donarina live? At the Barons ? Who
is she? Does she live on her fortune ?—A girl well. brought up,
and de flower of godlefiliss—(laughter.)
Is she not the daughter of the man who keeps one of the
inns of the Barona?—Yes, she is the daughter of Antonio—
(laugh/Er.)

Ezamined by the Lords.
Lord GREY.--Was any proposition made to you to give
evidence against, the Queen, and by whom ?—No.
Did no person speak to you upon the subject of giving evi-
dence against the Queen?—Yes, Itastelli, whom I mentioned the
oilier day.
Any other person'?—There is another person of the name of
Reganti, who, when I went to his shop to buy snuff, or some-
thing else of the kind, told me—
Ttte immediately stilted up, and ob-
jected to the witness proceeding with his answer.
Earl GREY complained to the House of the interference of
the Attorney-General v: on this occasion.
The Arroatrr-Gatistst said, the interruption given in page
97, to a question put by the Counsel for the Bill, justified him
in thus interfering. It was then said, by Mr. Denman, that the
imagination of the witness under examination had nothing to do
with proceedings before the House.

Ai the suggestion of the Loan Cuemr.t.oa, the question and
answer previously put were read, and his Lordship then asked
whether it was the wish of any other Counsel to speak upon the
subject?
The Souerroa-Gastasat. said, he should Say a few words in
support of the argument of his Learned Friend. In his appre-
hension Iteganti was to be considered a stranger to the inquiry,
and of course any cohversation between the witness and him
could not be received ie evidence. He had:personally no objec-
jection to the question, but he was unwilling that anything not
strictly evidence should be entered upon their Lordships' notes.
The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Are her Majesty's Counsel
disposed to support the question and answer objected to?
Mr. 131101/01k1All said, they would have been perfectly satisfied
that their Lordships should undertake the discussion on the pro.

priety of the course- folittattl by one of themselves; bar; *et
called upon,. he. should submit to their Lordships his reason for
pressing the question: There were, he submitted, sufticientgrounds
in page 410 to justify their Lordships in putting the question,.
Theagency of Hastedi had been admitted, and it appeared that
it was at the .suggestion of Regapti that agent had been em-
ployed,. for Rastelh acknowledged that he adopted the advice
of lteganti in going before the Milan Cominissien. But the
attention Of their Lordships was particularly dem.aided to this:
circumstance. Supposing that it could be proved that the
witnesses lad been applied to, by agent after..agent, to swear
tatinst the Princess—that differpat rewards, propOttioned to
.the magnitude of the offences with which-they should accuse
her, were offered--that one witness was offered a larger aunt
tha others for swearing that he saw
.bands .indecently pined.
Supposing 'those thirigs, and that•ft be sign 'proved that
there existed a eonisexson bistreeen the .patfdprs and miscreants.,
who Offeredthose'rewatda, saa 'the blilan*Commistion,'*oold
it not be .nvikolard in their %Lordships to refuse evidence whichl
must so powerfully affect the 13111 when their Lordships should