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given, .
adopt a new Standing Order, &clarity that no Bill
for :altering the regulations of any particular trade'
should he read a first time in that House till such
Bill had the sanction of the Report of a Select Com-
mittee. He briefly set forth the advantages to be
expected from adopting this proposition, and stated
the Chamber of Commerce at Birmingham to have
voted a Petition, praying for the adoption of such an
arrangement. He then moved—"• That it should
be made one of the Standing Orders ofThe House,
that no Bill going to alter the Laws affecting any
particular trade, or to interfere with the regulations
established with respect to partnershipt, or appren-
ticeships, or to the marks affixed to any particular
manufacture, or extending the term..off any patent,
should be read a first timesvithout the previous sanc-
tion of the Report of a Select Committee."
Mr. MANSFIELD opposed the motion, as*
Report of a Committee on any proposition that might
Ibe brought forward, could mot be obtained without
great vexation, great trouble, great loss of time, and
considerable expense. He thought- such matters
eight to be considered in the open House. At all
events, he hoped it would not be proposed that the
stew Standing Order, if adopted, should have a re-
trospective operation. If any one would second it, he
was disposed to move the previous question.
Mr. BARING said, if he thought the adoption of
the Standing Order suggested by the Learned Ser.
je.un, could have the effect supposed by the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down, he would be the
.last man in that House to give it his support. He
did not understand that it would go to prevent such
subjects from being considered in the House ; on the
contrary, he thought- it went to insure them a more
deliberate consideration than they might otherwise
receive, while it would prevent the time of the House
from being consumed in examining every crude pi 0-
ject that might be started. The motion would have
have his cordial support.
Mr. LI'rfLETON supported the motion. He
could not think the Chamber of Commerce at Bir-
mingham would countenance a regulation like that
proposed, if it were calculated to produce the inju-
rious effects supposed. He thought it might be well
to adopt the proposed Standing Order, and to form
every year a Committee of practical and experienced
men, who should sit to inquire into matters con-
nected with the laws and regulations of trades, all;
through the Session.
Mr. CREEVEY thought the proposed Standing
Order might be a good one, but did not think the
House ought to be called upon to adopt it at a mo-
ment's notice. Before it was adopted, he thought
the subject ought to be referred to a Committee, and
he was therefore glad that the previous question had
been proposed.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW denied that he had taken
the House by surprise, as he had given a notice on
this subject in the last Session of Parliament.
Mr. WESTERN concurred with his Honourable
Friend near him, in thinking that this proposition
ought not to be adopted on the instant. Some in-
quiry ought to precede their adopting the regulation
suggested as one of their Sanding Orders.
Lord ALTHORPE was of opinion, that, before a
new Standing Order was adopted, the proposition on
which it was to be founded ought to go to a Select
Committee. He should, therefore, recommend it to
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman to amend
his motion, by moving that the subject should be re-
ferred to a Select Con.mittee, instead of pressing it
on the !louse at once.
Mr. Seije.int ONSLOW consented, if such was the
pleasure of the House, to act on the suggestion just
thrown out, by withdrawing his present motion, and
moving to refer the subject to a Committee.
After a few words from Mr. Massetaco and Mr.
PHILLIPS, this course was taken, and the motion
being withdrawn, it was referred to a Committee to
consider of the expediency of adopting the proposed ,
Standing Order, and a Committee was appointed. j
retsu POOR.
Mr. PARNELL calleJ the attention of the House
to the distressing situation in which Irish paupers
were placed by the practice of removing them from
this country to any part of the Iriih coast. He pro-
ceeded at sonic length to suggest a plan, by which
he thought the evils to which those unfortunate per-
sons were exposed might be in a great degree reme-
died. He wished specific places to be named to
which they were to be sent—notice to be given of
their coming, and arrangements made for their re-
ception when they arrived at the place of their desti-
nation. He moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend so much of the Poor Laws as authorise the
arrest of Irish Paupers, and the transportation of
them to any part of the Irish coast.
Mr. S. BOURNE did not mean to oppose the mo-
tion, as he had no objection to make the Poor Laws
more perfect than they were at present. The Ho-
nourable Member had, .however, fallen into some
mistakes when speaking on this subject. The Irish
Poor might obtain settlements by service, or by hold-
ing tenements of a certain rent. If greater facilities
were not afforded to them for gaining settlementsin
this country, it must be admitted that it was no fault
of his, as he had been disposed to bring in a Bill that
would have effected this, but the proposition had
not met with the approbation of the House. In ex.,
pression the Honourable Member had not beets quire'
correct, as he (Mr. S. Bourne) knew of no law autho-
rising the arrest of a man in this country for being al
pauper, and it was new to him to hear of carrying
paupers to their home described to be transportation.
Mr. CURWEN remarked, that no man could be
removed from this country till after he had been exa-
mined before a Magistrate. He, however, agreed
that the Irish Poor were at present exposed to great
hardships, and was glad to bear a measure proposed
lto the House, 'that had for its object the diminution
of the evil.
Mr. C. GRANT thought the subject one which
merited inquiry. •
Leave was then given to bring, In the Bill, the'
words arrest and transportatioC being omitted

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IRISff BANKS.
Colonel BAGWELL apologized for detaining the
House at that moment, but he felt it his duty to call
the attention of Ministers and of the House to a cala-,
mity, greater, perhaps, than had ever fallen on any
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The consequences were dreadful to contemplate, as
the people were now absolutely reduced to a sate of
starvation. The food which the country people had
been in the habit of bringing into the towns was now
quite withdrawn. No supplies could therefore be
obtained, for as no circulating medium whatever re-
mained, the country people knew that if they brought
any food into the towns, it must be seized upon by
the populace without payment, as no means of pay-
ing were now in their possession. He begged in the
strongest manger to call on the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, as be valued, he might say, the very
existence of a considerable portion of the population
of Ireland, to give his attention to this subject, in the
hope that he might elicit something from him of a
consolatory nature, which might, iu this most press-
ing emergency, be forwarded to Ireland by that day's
post. He hoped that lie should hear from the Right
Honourable Gentleman, not only that Government
were disposed to do something, but that measures
had already been adopted to mitigate the evil.
The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER deeply
regretted the distress to which the Honourable Gen-
tleman had called his attention, but could not giver
that answer which he (Colonel Bagwell) had desired
to obtain. He was sure that the House would feel
the painful situation in which Government was
placed on the present occasion. To interfere in such
cases was always a matter of great difficulty, and
though the attention of Government had been di-
rected to the distress now felt in the South of Ireland,
he was not prepared to give what the Honourable
Member might consider a satisfactory answer.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD felt the deepest regret at
the answer which the Honourable Member had just
received from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He
concurred with the Right Honourable Gentleman in
admitting that extreme caution was necessary in such
cases : he knew that interference on the part of Par-
liament on such occasions -was seldom thought ad-
viscable, and did not know that it had ever been
called for on behalf of Ireland. He, however, now
felt it to be his duty to war n the House that the pre-
sent situation of the South of Ireland was one of ,
great danger. Though it was not for Government
generally to interfere where distress was felt from
local failures, he hoped it would not go forth to the
world that they could do nothing on the present
occasion—( Hear, hear).
siR. GRATTAN.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH rose to move that
the Speaker should issue his Writ for the Election of
a Representative for the City of Dublin, in room of
the Right Hon. Henry Grattan, deceased. In the
absence of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for
Waterford, he had been requested to address a few
words to the Chair on this most melancholy occasion.
He could assure the House, that in acceding to the
request which had been made to him, he felt the
deepest sense of his own inability to do justice to that
immortal name which must connect itself with all
that he had to say ; and he could with equal truth
assure them, that by acceding to it on this occasion,
he by no means evinced a partiality for such pro-
ceedings in general. Far from approving of such a
course being pursued in cases of an ordinary descrip-
tion, he was ready to admit that if the practice were
extended beyond the very narrow limits within which
it had been of late years confined—if friendship, or
any other inadequate cause, should make such ad-
dresses degenerate into matters of course, he should
most sincerely deplore the departure from our recent
custom, and heartily wish to return to the modest si-
lency of our forefathers. Indeed studied panegyrics
on the dead were not consistent with the general cha-
racter and -simple habits of Englishmen ; it was a
practice rather suited to an enslaved people than to
a land of freemen, for those who were debarred from
the manly exercises open to the natives of this coun-
try, and restrained -to few subjects, might be ex-
pected, in the absence of other themes on which they
might dilate, to exhaust themselves in laboured ora-
tions and in worthless praise. Hitherto, in modern
times, the House had preserved a very becoming
temperament on these subjects, and such tributes
had been limited to cases of recent death, where
warm respect, admiration, and affection, made it
impossible for any difference of opinion to prevail.
The bounds which had thus been observed ought
not to be exceeded. The House had acted wisely .in
reserving such distinctions for occasions of an extra-
ordinary nature. Were this not done, the practice
would soon resolve itself into a hollow and hypocri-
tical parade, conferring no honour ou the subject of
it, reflecting no credit on the House, and degrading
to the feelings of the Nation. if then he should be
ashamed of being found wanting in respect to the
memory of those whom he had most loved and ho-
noured on earth, he should not be less so of suffer-
ing feelings of personal regard to influence him on
an occasion like the present, so as to induce him to
bring forward the merits of an individual as entitled
to public admiration, where it was at all doubtful
whether posterity would confirm► the decision that
might be come to in the first instance. The honours
they mitiht render to those who were no more, ou
ght
to oug t
to be strictly confined to such cases as he-bad supo
posed. They owed this as well to the memory of
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badwoo not received
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those who had received such honours as to those who
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friends,w ere
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honours that friendship-could bestow, though not to
that peculiar mark of public consideration in that.
House. which ought to be the appropriate reward of
exalted public virtue and transcendant talent. He
could not but insist that the restraint imposed on their
feelings ought to be continued, for that eulogium
sad these Flaudits would become utterly worthless

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