Star.
London, England, 1829-03-04 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

CLA RE WIRCTIOIL
The being the day appointed for ballotting for a Committee to
tate into consideration the Petition complaining of an undue return
for the County of Clue, a great number of Members attended at
an early hour.
The following are the names of the Committee, as reported after
the ballot. by Mr. Dyson. the °elk, at the Bar of the House :
. John Kaathope. Esq. Sir George art. Hoe. it. H.
Janes Brougham, Esq. E. B. Clive, Robinson,itsq. James Stuarts
Rsq. Hon Henry T. Liddell, Right Hon. T. P. Courtenay, Ito.
ben Shapland Carew, Esq. Hon. J. H. Knox, and Lord Wm.
11 smell.
• The Right- Hoe. Robert Pam. took the oaths and his seat for
Westbury. CA TISOLSO =ARC STATION.
TRANT presented a Petition, signed by 1,701 inhabitants
of Dover, praying that no further concessions might be granted to
the Roman Catholics.
LORD NUGENT said, that be bad reason to believe the pe-
titloo was very far indeed limn expressing the sense of the majority
of the inhabitants of Dover.
Alt. P. THOMSON stated the circumstances under which the
petition was got up r Amon others it having been signed by
cbildreo.
After a few words from Mr. Teaser, In reply, the petitioe was
brought up, read. and ordered to be printed.
kir. P. THOMSON then pre voted two counter petitions from
this same place.—Ordered to be primed.
Mr. F. WILSON presented sixteen Peti ions from Shiptun,
Copmatitkorp, Marston, and other parishes in Yorkshire, against
say further Coneession to the Roman Catholics.
Sir JOHN NICHOL,. presented Petitions from the Arelademi
&buries of tliddlesex and Loudon, praying that no further men.
awn may be granted to the Roman Caltoles.

DUSLIDI ROTUNDA !PETITION.
Mr. BROWNLOW lose to present a Prlition. which
vas already well known under the name of the Rotunda
Petition. He felt n.uch honoured in having been se-
lected to present this Petition. which, whether he con-
sidetedihe nature of the meeting at which it had been
agreed tr., or the numbers and rank of those who bad,
vetted the Pstition, would. he Ito ugh'. be entitled to
the most serious consists-racial; of every intelligent per.
SIM in that House or in the country. The meeting at
which the Petition bad been agreed to was the first of
the kind that had ever taken place in Ireland, and con
ism/ of persons of all rank., professions, and religious
denomination ; it was, in tact, a general assembly, re.
presenting the whole of the Irish nation. Acting on the
principle that
Terre est (ladles-Where mar,
they had thrown aside all their sectarian differences.
and all united its representing to the Legislature the
alarming danger which imreaded over the co untry,-
I* pointing out the danger they had also suggested the
remedy. They said that the laws which had been es•
paxi.lly directed against the Roman Catholics of be-
lied had producei the reetest injery to all classes in
that country. He (Mr. ) agreed with the Petitioners
its thinking that this question was unjustly called the
Cathol.c Question, as the Protestants were more inte-
rested than the Catholics on the result. These laws
had thrown a sword between the Protestants and Ca-
tholict, and until they were axed upon an equal footing
in the eye of the law there would be no security for that
handful of Protestant'. surrounded as they were by
millions of Roman Catholics, enemies exasperated by
the laws under which they had been so long oppressed.
Those who asserted that the general sense of the P.O-
- of Ireland was adverse to the emancipation of
the Roman Catholic., went far beyond ihi fact, as he
should prove by a reference to the Protestant declara-
tion which had been laid before the Crown, and to which'
so fit an answer had Leen made in the message of his
Majesty to Parliament. He should now read the re.
quisition and the Petition. and, having called the atten-
tion of the House to the number and quality of the
signatures, he should leave it to the House to say whether
he bad gone beyond the bare fact in stating that the sense
of the Protestants of Ireland was decidedly in favour of
the settlement of the question. Here the Hon. Member
read the requisition, and the Protestant declaration,
which was signed by two Dukes, seven Marquises,
twenty-six Earls, eleven Viscounts, twenty.two Beton%
all Irish Protestant proprietors ; by two Count% twenty-
two Batonets, and fifty-two Members of the House of
Commons, and other Gentlemen nos easing millions of
landed property in Ireland. Iwo-thirds cf the Irish
Members of Parliament supported the Catholic Bill—a
large majority of the Peers of Ireland equally supported
it? The answer to these facts was, that a large body of
the yeomanry of Ireland were apposed to it, and un-
doubtedly such was the fact. Notwithstanding which
he trusted that the removal of all religious distinction.
between Irishmen was at hand, and that they would
thenceforward is Ireland, as every *hoe else ip the
world, live in cordiality with each other.
Mr. HUSKISSON said that, considering the kba-
racier of the petition which the Hon. Member for
Armagh had now proposed to bring up—considering
the rank and respectability if those whose signatures
were attached to it—and considering also their local
knowledge and general information on the que.tion,
their acquaintance with the difficulty and if:roger which
might result from the rejection of the Carbolic Claims,
be thought that that Petition *as entitled in a peculiar
manner to the attention of the House. He respected
the honest prejudices of the people; he was not, there-
fore, eine who would say that those Petitions were ni
entitled to the consideration of Patlianicnt. At the
same time, he could not help regretting that it was not
at public meetings that those Petitions were in general
agreed upon. , he immure to which they were now
;hoot to turn their attention wits inevitable. Never did
a question press itself with so much force on the Coun-
cils of any nation. Ile had heard, indeed, of two pora
sihle courses to be followed in resistance of the Claims
of the Catholics. One, he was almost ashamed to say,
was by an appeal to the sword—(flear, hear). The
ether mode was by a dissolution of Perla auseut. For.
tunately, by the Constitution of this country the Crown
could not take a step of this nature without the advice
of perm*, responsible for such advice, and he was quite
sore that the. present Ministers would not recommend
lath a uneeenre. The Right Hestoerable Gentleman
than proceeded to contend that it would be.. impossibl.

in the pteseat stale of the ctsitry. to form a Ministry
iminimmts is 4 its oppositioo to the Catholic Claims, and
Ise 'mead to be able to say_ the necessity of forming
amtized Adminisemtion,no longer eoimoals
tefr. OU G 1) A I said he cosmic! arr'th his Right Hon. Pitend in his opinion that it was the duty of every
man to allay the fears and apprehensions that had been
elicited throughout the crumy; still, he believed, that
the attempts to delude and mislead the peole had not
been so successful as his Right Honourable Friend sup-
posed. That attempts were making to persuade the less
ecittcosted and less thinking portion 4 f the pent le that
this was a religious question, every day's esperieoce
proved, but he trusted to the rood sense of the people,
and to the efforts ef their better-informed neighbours,
for a remedy against those attempts to mislead and d.-
lude. He folly coocurred in otoinitais with his Right
Hon. Friend that it would be impossible to form a Go-
vernment on a principle contrary to conces.ion. To
form a Government of Mixed opinions was equally im-
possible. The Huns and Learned Gentleman then pro
ceeded to defend the late change in theorinions of malty
members of his Majesty's Government, contending th.t
'no Statesman could be blamed for listening to the
alarms and fears suggested by a sense of the enormous
dangers to which the country was exposed. It was wise,
it was the duty, of a Statesman to listen not to threats
of personal danger, or the fcars or apprehensions of
friends, connexion, or party, but to the tear of injury to
that country, tie Goiernment of which he had sworn
to administer discreetly, to avoid all dangers that
might menace her, ~nd most particularly those that
might, by possibility, lead to civil war—(Hear, hear).
When, therefore, he heard that the Protestants of Ire-
land, who formetly fought against the Catholics, were
ready (and when a Gallant Offi er told the House that
they were willing) once (pore to fight agaiust them—
...hen he heard that they and their leaders out of the
House, and their organ in that House, had proclaimed
such readiness and such willingness for conffict--who
could say that the dangers of which his Majesty's Mi-
nisters had spoken were chimes ical, and that the fears
professed to be entertained by them referred nut to the
appiehension of that worst of all calamities—political
distraction, ending in civil war? In adopting his let:
course with respect to the Catholic question, the Duke
Wtl:i ‘gt. n had risked his popnlarity,his favour sti,b
his party, and relinquished his own long entertained
opinions. He was, doubtless, uuetly inaccessible to
; err nal fear; but that he should be accessible to
the wise, honest, an I statesmanlike apprehension of
danger to this country. from which even lie could not
te.cue her, proved in a peculiar manner his fitness for
presiding over her Government—(H-ar, hear). In the
pie.ence a f Vie Right Honou: able Gentleman opposite
(Nla. Peel) he should say less than he should be dis
posed to do were he absent; but having had no pre-
vious opportunity of expressing his opinion of the le-
cent conduct of that Right H uourata • Gentleman, be
used the present one to say, that that silence had been
dictated by any motive rather than a disincl nation or
reluctance to join in any panegyric which even his
moot enthusiastic admirers could or might pronounce.
Mr. Cr. 0. MOORE sad that tl.e H .n. M. tuber for
Armagh had spoken of the petition before the House
as if it had emanated from a genera meeting, but, so
far from deserving that character, it had been a meet-
ing got up for the sole purpose of giving a fame' assent
to a set of Resolutions previously agreed to. In proo'
of that asseition, he begged to state that a Protestant
Gentleman had gone to that meeting for the purpose of
declaring his sentiments, but was told that the Reso.
lutions had been agreed to, and could not be discussed
--(Hear). The Petition then before the House embodied
what was called the Protestant declaration. He had
no doubt that the Noblemen and Members of Parliament
who bad signed that declaration bad done soconscien-
tiously, but he thought differently of the other two
thousand persons who had subscribed their names to ii.
The system of intimidation (called the non intercourse
system) is:commended by the Catholic Association, bad
no daunt bad its effect in producing many of those sig.
natures--(Hear). He should only obtrude on the House
one instance out of many of the manner in which that
system was enforced. One of his constituents, a most
respectable silk manufacturer rit Dublin, was In the
babit.of supplying with articles of his manufactnte a
mercer who was a Roman Catholic. While the Pro-

estant declaration was in progress of signature the
astufacturer had sent some of his goods for the inspec-
tioo of the mercer, and when he called for his orders
was asked by the mercer's wife had be signed the Pro-1
tenant declaration ? He replied in the negative, that
he never interfered in political matters. Tne reply was,
" You had better sign, for it you do not you shall lose
our custom." His answer was." I employ several Roman
Catholic workmen. What would you think if l were to dis-
miss them on account of their religion? I • ill do no such
thing, for it is contiary to the sprit of Protestantism."
He was pressed again and ag .in to sign, but r. fused.
The consequence was, that the pieces of silk which had
Lain at she mercer's house for inspection were returned
to him the next day—(Hear). In reply to an observation
of the Right Hou. Gtutleasan (Mr. Huskisson) respect-
ing the superior degree of consideration due t r the
petition then before the House, on account of, the local
situation and local infornot,ion of the subscribers to it,
he could tell that Right Hon. Gentleman that, nume-
rous and respectable as those signatures were, they
wuuld be found as nothing in comparison to the weight,
number, talents, and importance of those signatures
which lied been &Sled to petitions slimly btf or the
House against the Catholic Claims, and to others still
to be presented—(Cheering).
Mr. H. GRATTAN had heard quite a different &c-
-ecinas about the Dublin silk.matsulacturer; but the
"account, whichever way it was taken, only went to show
the distracted state of society in Ireland. The petition
expressed the opinion of the majority of the Prutestant
rank, property, and respectability of Ireland.
Mr. TRANI' denied that the late return of the re-
presentative Peer for Ireland was • just notion of the.
political feeling of the Protestants of Ireland. The
P,totestant Peers of Ireland were not le't to the un-
coptroulled exercise of the it 011/1) opinion• in the
choice of a representative. The Irish Government
had interposed its it Buena. to decide the eketinn.—
The content was not left between the Protestant and
Catholic parties in the peerage. The cattle of Dublin
threw its weight into the scale, and effected the return
of the Catholic candidate. As to the Right Hon.
Gentleman's assertion that it was impossible to form a
mixed Ministry, or one adverse to the coricessions of the'
Catholic claims, the assertion reminded him of a saying
of the late King's, that, if he could not form a Cabinet
on Protestant pi inciples out of the professional states
men, he would walk from Whitehall to Charing.
cross, and take for his Ministers the first, eleven or
twelve men he met with decent co ses on their back
aid throw himself on the loyalty of his people—
(Cheers). But there was no nece.si!'y for resorting to
that measure now, for, not to talk of himself and other
stupid old fellows in Parliament, he was sure that, if
the Protestant principles which hedbeen adoptedby the
country were adopted in the Cabinet, there was Prover,

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teottelma mu pgh in the country ko beim. them tut—'
pot ti. He *maid admit that it up9illa he di calf 4
fiettictform an eaclusivelyiProtestai4
was tare that some Gentlamen,,ridvokates of she t;arto-
tic 'pause. yet whose Cathodic raiinsgns wets tokiret,
wiggly rooted, might b found ready to take slEce
io
such a Cabitiet it they sere Usti. ed, and, tia u;;11 at hi-
de me for any thing else, might he used but a time
ti stop a gap—(Laujihtes). He remembered a time
when, a thousand miles off, he head of a patty called
" all the talents,* who said then, as some Gentlemen di •
t' night, thit Catholic Emancipation mast be p acted.
and that it was impossible tolosm an Adiainistiatiotion
tine principle of ezclusioo; jet at that tame a Bight lion.
G. sideman (Mr. Perceval). wh• se loss they had reason
to deplore, fair med as anti-Catholic A dati mists so ion -
414, though that Administration was said to be so in-
competent that is coul.l not last ass months. it laved
•iateen years after; and it his Right Hon. Frie..d (Mr
Peel) had adhered to his party, he would have found
.hat such an Adrninistra. ion would be able to last many
)liars to coarse—(Cheers) As to the idea that the Cott.
tem • n 4,f . the Cat bioliC Claims was a mutter of in-
evitable s.etessity, Gentlemen talked as it the fairs
bad Decreed ft as if tle.e was no politic.) poser
Which c old prevent it, and as if all who opposed
it were besotted: As to the charge of iatimiJat.oo. be
' did not mean by the term that his Right Houoiirable
Fiend (Mr. Peel), or the other Members of the Cabe •
set, were influenced by personal fear. What he said
was, that the Catholics, having agitated to the very
verge of rebellion, and finding nothing to be got by
petitions or remonstrances, had adopted ulterior met
Mite*. and that the liar of those ulterior plans had in-
duced the Government to recommend the =there of
Concessioa. Now, it he could bring himself to think
that the Catholics would be satisfied with that mea-
sure, he would nut be much inclined to oppose it;
but be was sure Emancipation alone was nut their
object. In fact, their design was, as one of their leaders
had expressed it, to tear down the Protests* Church
of Deland is the first ',asset, and afterwards the Pro-
testant Church of England. One of the Catholic
Bishops had said that the Church of England must
fall—tkat emancipation would hasten it, and therelose
he liked em.ncipation. An Honourable Gentleman
had insinuated that he (Mr. T) had not a light to
speak on this subject, because he was in a distant
country for many years while the question was no-
der discussion in this couotty. But he wi aid coo-
tend that be had a tight to speak out as an Leith-
man, and the owner of no inconsiderable property, all
of which was in Ireland. But. though not in !rased
all that time, be had read its history. He could
not but remember the conduct of the Catholics in the
time of James the Second —( Mutants' a). Gentlemen may
murmur. but was he to make no allusion to matters of
history without being met by monomer? Was he to
throw aside the page of history as if it were an old al•
manac k ?—(Cheer.). But he had pummel knowledge of
land, and of the Catholics too; and. knowing all he
did of them, he wished t ► withhold (toe cheat the power
now sought t• be given to them. Not only for the sake
of the Protestants would he withhold it, but for the sake
f the Catholics themselves, for they bad suffered as
much as the hotestants front Catholic superstition and
bigotry. In conclusioo, be must repeat leis opinion that
the concession of these claims was not a matter of inevi•
table necessity—(Cheers).
Colonel ROCHFORD defended General Archdall,
who was absent, from some allusions made to a speech
delivered by the G.lllant General on a former eveniog,
and asserted, that that Gallant General did more
to Irish Catholics in one year than was done for rmd
by all the speeches which had been delivered in that
House in their favour.

Mr. BROUG HA M, in explsnatioa, assured the Hon.
Member that be was not aware of the absence of the
Gallant General, when he alluded to some observations
made by him on a former occasion.

Mr. 11USKISSON also explained. He repeated that he was
averse to any measures which were calculated to lead to bloodshed
or (all conteottun.—The Petitioas were ordered to be primed. _

General KING presented two Petitions--one trim Boyle,
county Itaseonumon ; and the other front a district is tie toasty
of Sligo, against the Catholic (,'Limy
(,'Limyel prowored a Petition from the Noble.
nsen, Gentlemen, and Clergy of Westnatath, against all further
Confession to the Catholics.

Sir G. ROISINSON presented Petitions in favour of Catholic
Emancipation from two Distention Congregations in Northamr
ton, and a third signed by ;he general inhabitation: the same town.
Lord G. CAVENDISH presented Petitions in favour of Con-
cession Irons the Unitarians of lielmout and Presbyterians of
Duffield.

Air. LIA LFOUR presented a Petition from Pettyweu against
Emancipation.
Alt. MOUG AN presented • Petition from Brecon In favour of
the Catholic Claims.

Colonel WOOL) testified to the temptrate language et the Pe-
tition.

Slr. WILLIASIS presented a Petition front Dorchester against
further Conevitions to the Catholics.

Mr. H. HITE presented lour Petitions from parishes of the
county of Dublin. praying Emancipation.
Sir GB(1UGB COTTKRELL (Herefordshire) presented a
Petition from the Clergy and Gentry of the city of Hereford
aping farther Concession to the Catholics.
Lord EASTNOII. bore testimony to the number of the signa-
tures, and the respectability of the subscribers, though be could
not accord with for prayer.
After a few words frees Mr. E. B. CLIVE, the Paddock was
laid on the table.

Mr. R. &CLIVE pretested a Petition from the city of Here-
ford, praying the Home to take sock awesome for the relief of the
Roman Catholicise would be found combust with the integrity of
the Protestant Betahartgarat. It was sigma by LSO freesias and
Gentlemen residing M and seer the city of Hereford.
Ur. CURRY relented a Petition from the Protests.* helm.
Wants of Newtown Stewart, in the county of Tram. sad also a
Patinas from Newtown Stewart, in synod. profit' that so farther
concessions might be greened to the Rosman Catimiks.
Lord TULLAMOHig pnisemsd a similar Petition from the
Protestant thwenten assembled in Blandford.street Chapel, near
Manchester square.
Mr. HULL presented a similar Petition from a Pada is the
county et Nunbumberimed.
Mr. LIDDELL said. that the petitioners lived in a
secluded part of Northumberland. *ad rice not corn-
peteot to judge of the propriety or expediency of grant-
log the Roman Catholic Claims. He knew that at the
time of the discussion on the tepee' of the Test and
Corporation Acts, those illy.yer sons bad expressed their
surptist that so much trouble should be taken to repeal
Acs of which they hissi sew beard. This. however,
was no argument against the tepee' of those Acts.
There were the names of many respectable persons at
tached to the petitious ; but he could safely say that the
great majority were ignorant et the soaks the case.
Mr. BELL said, that the Petitiee bore 5110 signs.
hirer, proctsted in the course of eight days. in a very
&malt parish. There were no ssettiosis used to procure'
those Signatures. tl.er were given voluntarily, and he I
could bear testimony to their respectability.
Mr. G. MOORE presented a Petition against Catho
tic Emancipation horn the inbabitents of the patisb Of
St. Leonard'., Slivreditch, The Petition originated is
A public meeting, at which eoentergesolmions wens
proposed and lost by a inajority of three to one. The
petit'on was signed by 64763 of the patishronerS, and it
would have bad 3,000. evore *Artillery, .had not the
number of the perisbiseere signed the Loud= sad
Westminster Petition.
Mr. BARING requested that the petition might be

real It called upon the Ii •use net to pass oteasuiw,
tallith *mild undermine the stability of the Thrum. I*
this prayer he (wily cnncurres,and sould have sigoesk
such a petition himself. These VIA• is. thing in it orpi.bed
to the eginsidetation cf the question by the Howie.
Ms. G. MOORE ciustended that the nieaning of the
petr:ione,a evidently embraced the memeees of Cath..bc
Emancipst about to be biought.befire the House.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said that the pest
asrinaty of those who signed these petitions, in arse
about Lo. don, knew eery little of their contents, or of
ILO idbjeus to which they telerred. The Honourable
Washer then gave as account of what he had seen at
,he .:iffesetst places whore peiitions ale signed, and a
devcfas gilts of what to considered the infamous and
11,asueful At, that weir sesorted to. . _

Mt. MOORE ',id, that as rot OW word of whet
bad fallen Crum the Honourable Alderman applied
to t: is petition► he ahould not waste the time of the
House by replying to it.
Mt. BROUt.iHAM said he had a Petition to prewiii
Irom the p.rues who more.' the Amendment to this
Prunus), but who sere dote tots by a majority of Mei
to far.

Mi. BARING said that a Petition was coming front
the Common C. uncil. of the City of London, hoot
which the opinkn of the City of London would besot
be gained.
Ur. 0 NEILL said, that if Gentlemen who had be.
tome so fond of Scrutiniziog Petitions would look at
the Catholic Petitions that came from Ireland, they
would find that there the schoolmaster had been abroad
with a vengeance. There were freqtaently 30. and 40,
and 50 signatures in one handwriting. But be would .
give these Honourable Members leave to strike off what-
titer numbers they liked from the Petitions, still the
weight of public opinion would beat him out in the
assertion, that the voice of the people of England was
decidedly against Concession:
The Petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. MOORE bad another petkition to present to the
same effect from the county of Dublin. Tim petitioners
complained of the undue influence which the Catholic
Clergy, under the direction of the Catholic Association,
had made use of at elections, particularly in their own i
county, and in the counties of Louth, Waterford. Ste.
influence which wes totally subversive of the freedom
of election. The inhabitants of the ccit sty of Dublin
were justified in this complaint, became they had an
opportunity of expel iencing the fatal effects of their in-
fluence. The petition was signed by two thorsand in.
dividusls, five of whom were Peels, many of them Ma.
gist. ates and Clergymen, and the greeter poo twit the
majority of the respectable Protestants of the county.
Mr. H. GRAT TAN, as* freeholder of the county sy
Dublin, and as a member of the Committee For coo-
ducting the election of the popular candidate,, must
give the assertion, as far as it regooded the exercised'
undue influence on the part of the Priests, the most un-
qualified contradiction.
Mr. A. DAWSON felt called upon to declare, ass&
lusion had been made to the county of Louth, that be I
did not owe his election to any undue influence on the
pint of the priests, ur to their influence at all. He bad
never appealed to the religious feelings or religious pre.
judices of his constituents; bet, if the Catholic clergy
did exert themselves in elections, had not the Protestant
clergy shown them the (sample? Nor bad the latter the
same reason for interfering. He must repeat that in the
county of Louth no undue influence bad bees exercised
by the clergy.
Mr. G. MOORE said it was notorious that Is Ire-
land spiritual influence in the most coercive sense of
the word bad been exerted by the Catholic Priest.
hood; he begged to distinguish this species of power•
from the innocent they might naturally be supposed'
to possess as the Pastors of a Christian Church—that
degree of authority be never would deny them. The •
Protestant Clergy bad not the means of exercising
such authority, even if they were disposed to employ
it. As a freeholder,* Protestant Clergyman solemnly
expressed his opinion by his vote at an election,
and, he sever attempted to interfere in his spiritual
capacity. He remembered that evidence had been ten-
dered before a Committee of the House, on a Petition
regarding the Dublin election, to show that Catholic
Priests had threatened the most awful spiritual denun-
ciation against those who voted contrary to their wishes;
the Committee indeed came to the determination that
such was not a Parliamentary ground for impeaching
the return; but, oevetthelessonough appeared in there-
port to warrant a lull belief that such had been the fact.
Mr. H. LiRATTAN considered that those charges
now brought forward were but a part and parcel of
MA system which seemed to be so much the fashion,
pouring forth fitil libels against the Catholic Clergy.
Even the sacred right of petitioning was grossly abused.
But the persons who bad made these charges against
Waterford. Louth, Dublin, and Monaghan, when chal-
lenged to the prod, were afraid to come forward. Uns,
der those circumstances, he thought he was fully borne
out in the assertion that those charges were not tine. He
was not inclined to make invidious comparisons between
the Clergy of the two Churches. lie regretted that
weak, ignorant, and wicked expressions had fallen from
both. His Honourable and Learned Colleague had
hitherto driven and conducted the coach of the Dublin
corporation entirely by himself, and with much skilful-
ness, and be (Mr. Grattan) could scarcely hope to over-
take him at present, but he did hope that before the end
of the Session he should be able not only to overtake his
Learned Friend, but that the daring and scientific
driver might overturn the triumphal car of the mope.
ration of Dublin.

Mr. O'NEILL said, in reference to the condict of
the Protestant Clergy, that they did not exercise, sot
did they possess, the influence of the Catholic Clergy.
He believed that the whole Protestant Bench of Bishops
had not as much influence as one poor Curate in Ireland.
Mr. G. DAWSON reprobated thsprattice of making
this question a topic of debate and dissension from
one end of the country to the other. What pros-
pect could there be of peace, when the dearest right
of Britons—the Right of Petitioning—was vilified and
abused ? Thus. an obvious and important injury was
doge, without the attainment of the slightest counter-
wailing good. Unfounded charges bad been throes
out against the Clergy of both faiths ; but it was, never•
thelesr, notorious in Ireland, that the Priests had exerted
their influence at elections. How did Hon. Gentlemen
propose to prevent it; and would not the epithets so
freely bestowed tend to exasperate the Catholic Clergy?
It was always a serious evil to make a religious (peons
A subject of rancorous debate End party discussion,
Ewes in this mese calm and reasoning country. the effect
had been to set brother against brother, and father
against son.
Mr. LLOYD assured the Home that there WU
infinite deal of perjury on the part of many tithe wit-
nesses examined before the bid) Election Committee.
Mr. G. MOORE said. that in alluding to the inter-
lerv.ce of the Catholic Pliestbood, he had referred to a
„usage in the Petition bearing on the subject.
• Mr. BANKES presented • Petition from flvormlnsters
Newton Castle, in the count/ of Dorset, against la ty

f -cot.ce
to he 'Anted.
NI:. VILE
cif :et tram C
a pnblie meet
and had at-at
by a majfireti
Among the I
residing in th
respectably
thoserise apl
e flirt! bet tieti
Cetb,fitics— I
Inge maj
*ion of the ret
which he had
coat,' only si
'teat bulky',
tramp
finked and Je
dati tit ri,

t
%tooth:ad a ani
'of the Estab.
jper-ous Mho I
'his Monaural)
At said this p
that actuated
'Ace, that a
signatures to
as at an ell
tore% and a
gularly publi
close of the
.against Pope.
of persons of
won the belts
meat of the P
support a Mel
mote the best
out Constituti
and State.

Mr. FYLEI
place to suer
tbis subject.
ararmn• si iu t
brio* to it.—
col

Mr. LEIGI
prv.e.stati o
&Ailed by 19,1
to presebt fro'
by hi. conaitt
actiption Vf pt
acs rdance sea,
that Vie count
nant of tt:e cut
two Esti), by
the magistrav
clergymen. an
the gentry, fro
Lions circulate
it should not
years of age ;
another; that I
place of hi, re
lowed. The la
not been uric 1
into the petite
eninttion of .o,
would nut be t
on this subject,
to say that the
the district ft
any 'wither
412 W: bits of t
aim on the s
was unanisoit
subj ct id a j
that there wal
Leicester uppc
and in favour
necessary for 1
a few obsertat
opinion prevail
that Member'
11 use were of
his own past, i
he had seen or
his opinions—.
in feeling as a
Such being hi
once to decla
sisters had not
pose the con?
professed and
the Noble Dul
coma opt with
that Noble Du
ekes; but the
this question
this declarati.:
He owed no
tion ; but be I
liamentary oar
be adhered to
considered ads
daily necessar:
union; but w
priucipki, he I
no man is
deuce than in
advance him h
cause he could
such citcumbta
like the pseseni
conscientiously
proposed, but
neral tranquilli
pleasure; but
could produce
from the Cad
which removes
ject. From tb
but unqualifiet
*fannies—
WAS convinced
did not view
political (limit
was granted t
it would be d
Church. In c
friends that ag
8111vtaben. A.
°Onion .. bows
credit w. u d
lie Ace for it
peat trios* us
were I
trents of the
petition, he ha.
attire distated b

OW 'Med that
ellbll.l4lj‘la. al

f to sLa Run.* esethnitcs.--Orje,,j
to ue sainted.
NIi.fYLER, in presenting a Petition to the same
eff..ct from Coterrin, observed, that it was agreed to at'
a public Greeting of the inhabitants of thin ancient city.
and had at- ached to it 915 sip:stores. it was signed
bra majority cf the rutin respectable inhabitants.—
Among toe Petitioners were there bankers oin of four
residing in the place. Th, re was eternities Petition also
respectably signed, but by only 905 p-rs ms. It wa
thsrefote apparent that tin compaiison could be insti-
tuted between the 'Petitions for gad against the 11, man
Catlrilics he lilt- r esideatly conveying the ,ease
a large mai wity of the inhabitants, art' a Large p 0, or-
lien at the respeetab lity, of the great and populous city
%Inch he had the honour to represent. For himself h•

Could only sAy, to would never con.ent to hove the

'teat bulwa,ks or ~or Constitation in Church and State
't.rdely d dna n. and the Protestant Church left
naked and Jefeoceless, to the attacks of its ambitious

*nil dal i tit rival.
Mr. K. E HEATHCO fE thnught, if Minivers in•
to.tuced a ine .suteth w 01.1,1 not et•Janger the sati-t

sot the Estab•iehed Clarch, th t the maj•ir part of the
pes.ons Mho had signed lite petition just react ted bi
ibis Honourable Colleague ssou:d crocus in
/Re said this ()dilly from what he k. ew of the s`i•it
that actuated hit comaituents, and p.otly from the ar•
tifsceb that were resorted to in order to uricu.e

signatures to the petition. Patties wete canvassed
ab at an election fur their s. ntimeats and signs.
tures and a bulletin of the two petitions was to
gularly published, like the state of the poll. The
close of the poll WAS thus announced—“ Signatures
•against Popery, 3.915; for Popery, 905." A number
of persons who signed the petition now presented did
sous the belief that they were opposing the establish-
ment of the Popish religion in this country. He would
support a measure calculsted, as be concdived, to pro.
mote the best interests of ibis country, and
.preserve
our Constitution, as at psescit established, in Mitch.
and State.
Mr. FYLEK defended the canvass that had taken
place to ascertain the sentiments of his constituents on
this subject. The result proved that there was no lake-
warmn• as iu the minds of the people of Coventry in re-
htion to it.—The petition was or.lere 1 to be printed.