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faith, but when they we e told that that Church was
the gtearhar to the enjoyment of their rights, it was
Natural that they should feel hostile towards it. and
&sold do what they could to destroy that edifice.—
Ther hostility might be blamed, but it was those who
had so pertinaciously persisted in rejecting the claims
of the people, who had dose everything in their power
to increase that hostility, and done it too, though ad.
mission to Parliament could not add one jot to the
power of clic Catholics. whilst it might diminish their
enmity towards the Protestant Church.
The Earl of LONGFORD deprecated desultory con-
versati ins of this kind, but could not let unfounded as-
set tions be repented without denial, till from their fre-
quency they shout.' acquire a sort of spurious authority.
The Catholic Question was usually looked at under two
tau of view—one the general policy, expediency, or
justice of the measure; and the other its tendency to
tranqoilliste Iteland s the justness of both opinions he
distinctly denied. it was 150 years since the existing
restrictions had been passed to exclude the 'Catholics
from political power. Parliament had had frequent
opportunities since of considering the propriety of those
eestrictions, and had every time judged that they were
proper, and rejected every proposition to repeal them.
When the law was thus proclaimed just by successive
Parliaments during a century and a half, he did not see
how the epithet of just could also be applied to thi
claims of the Catholics. He did not object to a regular
discussion; on the contrary, he thought that the more
frequently those claims were discussed, the more clearly
it would be proved that the continuance of the existing
restrictions was just and necessary, and not intended to
depress or to oppress the Catholics. But the introduc•
tiun of the topic on every occasion, could only tend to
increase irritation. He did npt know what other secu-
rity the Catholics could give, unless submission to an
equal controul as Protestants. He knew from the ex-
perience of our own Church, how difficult it wastes;
separate spiritual from political authority, and he did
not believe that the ecclesiastical and political spirit in
the Catholic Church could be kept more apart than in
our own. On this conviction he should continue to
oppose the Claims of the Catholics.
Lot d HOLLAND said, that Vie Petitions only prayed
for the repeal of the Leith Vestries Act, which had been
passed last year, and not for that of the Catholic dis-
abilities.

.-The Earl of LONGFORD wished that the respon•
sibility of the agitation and hostility which had been
created should lie on the right shoulders-..not on those
who for 150 years had supported the existing restric-
tions, but on those who were making constant attempts
to destroy those bulwarks of our Constitutien.—The
Petitions were then read, and laid on the table.
onarst TO THE DUX. AND DUCHESS OF CLARENCE.
• Earl BATHURST moved, that the Duke and Du-
chess of Clarence's Annuity Bill be read a second time.
• Lord KING thought that it would have been decent
at least in the Noble Earl to give some reason why the
income of their Royal Highnerses should be increased.
But it teemed as though it was wished to smuggle the
Dill through the House. Perhaps his Majesty's Minis-
'tors thought the opportunity perfectly happy for such
.8 measure, and as they were going to raise the price of
hread, wished also to augment the amount of income?
Was it on this ground, or was it because there was great
distress amongst the manufacturers this year, and there
would be as much amongst landlords the next ? -He
did not exactly understand why the measure had been
so long delayed in the other House. Was it because
they waite4 to send it up till there should be an efficient
Minister in this? Yesterday he almost thought that thst
was the case, but to•day the appearance had changed.
Thy were in tact like sheep without a shepherd, bleat-
ing every note in the gamut, from L sharp (if we heard
•rightly, for with such notes in music, we confess our-
.sehres totally unacquainted) to a flat. The Noble Lord-
-' en remarked, that the present age was a golden age
for Princes, Palaces, and Ireland. He said, that he had a
Petition to present against the Bill, which he would
•base done, it he had known when it was to be brought
forward.

Earl BATHURST appealed to the remembrance of
.111 w Hors whether, when his Noble Friend (the Earl of
:Liverpool) had moved an Address to his Majesty in
irrtyly to his Majesty's Message respecting the allowance
'go their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of
• Ittet, he had not stated to thew. Lordships everything
erhich it was purported to do? He had said, that 90001.
a year devolved to their Royal Highnesses in conse•
(mace of the death ot the Duke ot York, and that it
was proposed to add 90001. a year to that increase.
Their Lordships had concurred unanimously in the
Address of his Noble Friend, and he had a right to con-
ceive that they bad consented to this particalar aug-
mentation. This was the cause of his entering into no
•eiplanation when moving the second reading of the
Bill, as it only enacted what he bad stated, and what
had met with the universal concurrence of the House.
By this Act, the whole income received by the Heir
Presumptive to the Imperial Crown of Great Britain
and Ireland, would not exceed $5,5001. a year, whereas
the provision for the late Princess Charlotte at a time
when she good in the situation, not of Heiress Pre-
sumptive to the Crown, but of Heiress Presumptive to
the Presumptive Heir to the Crown, was 60,0001. a year.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed.

CAPS CT GOOD ROM

Lord KENYON presented a Petition from William
Parker, late settler at the Cape of Good Hope, com-
plaining of the manner in wbch the Colony was con-
ducted, and of the heavy losses inflicted upon him
through the interference of the Secretary to the Govern-
ment, Colonel Bird, and the influence of the Jesuits,—
As the Petitioner had gone in 1820 to the Cape of Good
pe with a colony of 250 persons to settle, and had
&tome returned a ruined man, he (Lord K.) recommended
Lis a se to the serious attention of their Lordships.
Earl BATHURST said, that Mr. Parker had begun
to make complaints soon after his arrival at the Cape of
Good Hope ; that his allegations against the Govern-
sweat and its Secretary, Colonel Bird, bad been referred
by his (Earl B.'s) orders to the Commissioners of En-
quiry, and that those Commissioners had reported on
the subjectoiand declared those allegations to be un-
founded. Equally so was Mr. Parker's statement, that
Colonel Bird had been removed from his situation in
consequence of his (Parker's) allegations. Colonel Bird,
had been removed us consequence of a serious misua-

, and it was one of the
the . any, that when there was a certain number of
persons of the same faith, an allowance should be made
for a Miniver of the sans. persuasion to perform Divine
Service. The manner in which Parker disclaimed the
idea of having brought over a Catholic Minister, if he
knew that he was addr,ssin a man of the Catholic
persuasion, was highly culp But, as he had stated
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before, all that individual's dons had bees sub.
mined to the Commissioners, ar 0-repotted that they
were without foundation.
The Earl of CA LEDON contended that a more effi-
cient Officer than Colohel Bird had never been appointe I
to any situation of the nature of that which he filled.
The Nnb'e Earl then read an extract from the Re-
port of the Commissioners, in which they said—
" that Mr. Parker's feeling of aversion for all who pro-
fessed the Catholic faith, had led him to entertain the
most unwarrantable suspicions of Colonel &rd.* He
(Lord Caledon) had also, to state, that C )lonel Brd wilt
in England all last year, dniing which time Mr. Par.
ker remained completely silent ; but that no sooner had
the Colonel quitted the country than this Petition was
presented. He regretted that he had no means of
marking his horror anddislike of the attempt made to
vilify the character of that Gallant Officer, or the con-
duct of the Catholics in (hitt instance.
Earl ROSSLYN said, that the Petition could not be
received, as it contained nil prayer.
Lord KENYON said, thatit-prayed for inquiry.
Alter a few words from the Marquis Of*Latisoown,
The Earl of CALEDON moved that the Petition be
rejected, which was agreed to on the question being put
from the Wool)ack.

CATHOLIC&

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The Earl of BELMOBB presented Petitions from
the Catholics of the counties of Permenagh and Tyrone,
praying for the concession of their claims. He consi.
dered himself relieved by the conduct of his Majesty's
Ministers from any difficulties with respect to those
claims. Ever since the year 1793 they had been +Diking
concessions to the Catholics ; the principle had therefore
been conceded, and all that remained Mere merely ques-
tions of amount and opportunity. The argument that
it was itexpedient to relieve the Catholics from their
disabilities extended to thi-, that the British Constitution
was not calculated to be enjoyed by more than one•
third of the population of the British empire. Re could
noj accede to such a proposition as that, sod he was
surprised that those who had gone so far in the path of
concession, should now stop short and refuse. to admit
the Catholics altogether.—The Petitions were thee read
and laid on the table.
testa.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN gave astir% that as Friday
neat he Amid move fur as nevem et the somber of Appeals sent

frog► various Courts is ladla and Ceylooy obi of ibm

taken arm them.
The Earl of LORGPORD presented Petitioas front several
Parishes in the Counties of Tyrone and Armagh, against*. Catbal
lie aa the tabia,—Adjeerned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The gallery was not opened to she public this evening
until five oclock,•in consequence of the ballibts which
took place for the Marlborough and Banf hire Electing)
Committees. The names of the defaulters absent at the
ballot on Wednesday, and who had not attended, were
then called over. Several were excused, in consequence
of illness and other causes ; and the Hon. John ti. W.
Forester, and another Hun. Member, were ordered to
be taken into custoiy by the S leant at Arms.

11ARLIOROUSH P.ITITION•

The following are the names of the Committee Gwent and ap-
pointed to try the merits of this Petitioe :—Th. lion. G. J. W. A.
Ellis, Mr. Abel Smith, Mr. Robert Price, Sit Henri Hardinge,
Mr. T. E. Een,p, Lord Marquis of Worcester, Alderman
John Atkins, Mr. C. Mackinnon, Mr. C. P. Thornsoss. Lord Jas.
Towishend. General Gamoyee, Alderman Thompson. &r James
Graham, and Thomas G. 13. Esteourt.
Mr. BELL presented a Petition from certain Occupiers of Land
in the North part of Northumberland, praying for t►e pretealen
of the tended interest. _ _ . I

Mr. VAN HOB! RIG H presented a Petition frost the Climber'
of Cominereo of Drogheda, praying that the duty is Coals ought
be taken off.

aanrmsrme :meson:
The following Members were sworn, and appoisteJ of the Com-
mittee to try this Election Petition,—Mr. W. J. Denison, Lord
P. J. Stuart, Hon. W. H. Laocelles, Mr. J. hL Dawson, Mr.
Arthur French, Mr. J. D. B. Evans Mr. W. Beauchamp. Mr.
Peel, Mr. E. H. A'Court, Mr. Abel It. attire. Mr. T. Alma,
Mr. T. Chaplin, Mr.W. Henry Felloaes, Dr. Phillunore, and Sir
G. Warrender.

IBTORIO' PRISON& ,
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the Hon. Member (Mr.
Hume) had given notice of a motion respecting the
Fleet and King's Bench Prisons, which he should be
glad the Hon. Gentleman would put off to another
day, that he (Mr. Peel) might have further time to con-
sider the subject, respecting which he had written both
to the Chief Justice of the King's Bench and of the
Common Pleas. He wished to set the Hon. Gentleman
right with reference to what he said open a former oc-
casion, touching the conduct of the Chief Justice of the
Common Pleas. The Hon. Gentleman said, that fre-
quent applications had been made to him with respect
to the treatment of the prisoners, and the state of the
prisons, to which he paid no attention. Now the Chief
Justice distinctly told him, that no application was ever
made to bins to which immediate attention had not been
paid, and ■n inquiry instituted upon the subject.
Mr. HUME said, he had not stated that all applica.
tions were disregarded. He alluded only to the parti•
cular case. The Petition had been forwarded to him
from prisoners in the Fleet, and he advised them to
apply to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel), who
said it did not belong to him to substitute any inquiry.
He then told them to apply to the Chief Justice of the
Common Pleas before he should present their Petition.
They made the application, and for three days after no
answer was returned. He then presented their Petition,
and on the same day a person from the Chief Justice
attended the prison, and instituted an inquiry. This,
however, could not affect his motion, which would relate
ptiucipally to the state of these prisons, and the effect
produced oo persons committed for debt.--He should
have no objection to put off his motion till Thursday next.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said it now appeared that the
Hon. Gentleman had not complained that all represen-
tations to the Chief Justice were unattended to. A de-
lay of three days took place, but an inquiry was insti-
tuted on the fourth, which proved that there existed nal
indisposition to attend to complaints.—The motion was'
then postponed till Thursday.

IL= UMW&

On the motion of General Dvrr, tt was ordered that there be
laid upon the table of the Homan Account of the Number of'

snows.
011 Me* night. Mr. Fawns Iknew gave notice of a motion,
APR 1111 to prevent the. immolation of Hind** widows
of their husbands.
*rearmed a Petition from a person named Logan,
If *ant of accommodation fir risonen in the Fleet
to be printed.
Gobs motion of Mr. fisarnaers, a return was ordered of the
inialber of ships (and the amount of their tonnage, with the number
of min and bnys employed in them) which cleared ont from the
ports of the United Kingdom to foreign ports, from January, Intl,
to January, ISt?.

/TEAM 110.111.
Mr. HENRY GRATTA N moved for a Renfro relative to the
Voyages of his Majesty's Steam Packets from Holyhead to Howth,
and from Minicar, to Liverpool; the farts for carrying passengers,
hones, and carriages, together with the expenses fur building at
Dindeary.—The maim was agreed to.

IFILIEMDLT 110CLITIM
On the motion of Mr. CelliTt/MT, a Select Committee was ap-
pointed tsetake into consideration the laws affecting " Friendly
Societies,' and to report their opinions and observations thereupon
to the tissue.

A MOMS DI CaIITODY.
The 11191 AMER informed the House, that Mr. Forester (sae
of dse Mershon who had been abeam from the ballot on the slat
lucent. aatiwinthad eat attended in his place this day) was then in
the ettotadtotithe Serjetat nt Arms.
It was thee stoyd and carried, that Mr. Forester Be discharged
tke payment of lie fees.
The Annual Dads' 11111waa read a &t ad don and passed.

WET Or aaoYv RILL.
Mr. SHADWELL moved the second reading of the
Writ of Right Bill.
Mr. D.W. HARVEY hoped that this motion would
net be pressed, as a Committee of Inquiry was pro
mised hereafter. The BM displayed much liberal feeling,
but as it did not go much further, it was not a measure
that would redound much to the legislative character
of the Hon. and Learned Member. It limited the period
from 60 years to SO years; but perhaps three such pe-
culiar cases did not occur in a year. As the Hon. Mem-
ber felt perhaps he must do something, he did not well
know how less could be done. The subject was of import-
ance; its discussion would be most useful; but he felt as-
sured that no remedy was provided, and that the neces-
sity of passing fines was not dispensed with by this Bill.
The Hon. Member then went on to point out the va-
rious modes of expense to which a party was put
in levying a fine in the svery day practice of a
woman giving up her claim to her portion of her
husband's property. The process had to go through
some six or seven offices before it was complete,
and at an expense of twenty pounds. Now, let the
House contrast this tedious aad expensive process with
the simple one which was resorted w and held sufficient
in cases of copyhold estate. There, if a. wife was dis-
posed to give up her claim on her husband's property,
she might do so by goi g before the steward of the
manor, and by taking hold of one end of a stick of
which the steward held the other, (indeed a poker was
made use of on some occasions) and by that means
might signify- the alienation of her claim, and the
steward's certificate to that effect was held sufficient
proof of such alienation, and was as effectual for
its object as the levying a fine in the Crust of
Common Pleas. An easy and simple process for
.the same purpose was known to prevail in several coy
porate townr. It was the case in London, and in the
town he had the honour to represent. There a Lady
might go before the Mayor, and signify her intention to
resign her claim, and the Mayor's certificate, for which
she paid only a shilling, was a sufficient attestation of
the fact. It would be an immense benefit to the pro-
prietors and purchasers of land to have some simple
plan established, by which the conveyance of property''
might be rendered mote sacu e, and less tedious and
expensive.
Mr. BERNAL said, the Act, as regarded writs of
error, was most ridiculous, and ought to be considered.
As regarded the transfer of property, it would hardly
be Wigged, when it was considered what improvement
we have made in legislation, that a man could not de-
vise freehuld property, to the value of only a. a year,
without the presence of three witnesses, while he might
devise copyhold without a single one. This was most
disgraceful. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman op-
' posoe would turn his attention to the system of con-
veyancing. He was aware that it 'might be supposed
to be the interest of Government, on account of the
Stamps,-kc. to oppose any such s'teration; but he felt
confident the subject would not be neglected, when
he recollected the half promise which had been given
by the Right Hon. Gentleman, on a former occasion,
and the efforts he had ars successfully made to consoli-
date the Criminal Code. The object could not be
effected probably without a commission, the expenses
of which, the Right Hon. Gentleman, in his careful and
'praiseworthy economy, might wish to avoid: but such
a course would be found necessary on account of the
difficulty of the inquiry, and the opposition likely to be
offered by a class of antagonists that lived by the very
perplexity, which it was so desirable to put an end to.
I. conclusion, he begged to ask the Right Hon. Seeress
Itary distinctly what were his intentions.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said the Hon. Member had
rightly understood what he said during the discussion on
1 the Chancery B IL He had not abandoned his intention ;
he thought it necessary to institute an inquiry into the
transfer of real property ; but that inquiry should be
proceeded in with the greatest caution. He did not
think there would be any obstruction offered to the de-
sired improvement by the legal profession; individually
he had received from members of that profession the most
cordial offers of co-operation. He had not yet thought
of what might be the most effectual means of attain-
ing the desired object; but he at present did not see
any objection to the Commission suggested by the Hon.
Gentleman ; it being but fair if services of Gentlemen
were required, that such services should be paid for.—
There, however, might be proffers made of a gratuitous
nature, and whether they were to be accepted or not on
those terms was matter for consideration.

Dr. LUSHINGTON congratulated the House and
the country on the subject being undertaken by the
Right Hon. Gentleman. The evils of the present sys-
tem were most ably pointed out by Mr. Humphreys
publication, and called loudly for removal.
Mr. FERGUSON wished to throw no obstacle in the
way of the Bill, but the subject required the most
anxious consideration. He was tavourableto the inquiry,
by COmmittee or otherwise, and thought the framer of
the Bill ought to be on such inquiry; he was desired to
add, if the labours of Mr. Humphreys were of any use,
they were at the service of the Hotne Secretary, in pro-
motion of inch valuable investigation.
The ATICORNET,GENERAL would not oppose a

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tuated by truth in the asserted Interference of the Jesuits, though sone( him la soma, prating Apt paftale, t, she Liad.4 Is.
It if such Colphel Bird had certainly:4AM Mr. Parker whether most.
matte the, he had brought a tathollt Minister frdat Ireland, as Oa.* motion of Sr Joim Nsuintat. k was Aided that there
qu:etly to all the Colonists whom he had introdiced were Irish be bid bebwe lb. 11.41.6 a "PT of deeirelPeee et the blywei.ll"l"
sada Committee.
rofess the Roman Catholics; and it was one of the regolatioas of HINIOOO WIDOW&
iurch was the Colony, that when there was a certain number of On Mads night Mr. Flaw IBn v•aistke at tuotlea
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