Star.
London, England, 1829-05-22 00:00:00

erigioata le l6iao"eamilrfioutitselis Wet iepre-
void by ids Friend as istioutscPag all
tperanad cOnsislatitiOns which Mitht gaud in the Way
of the measso. Ho was a friend to coaciliat:oo;
but if they now receded from the late Act. the effect
would be the very contrary. and be an encouragement
to future agitation. He wis equally adverse to the props.
sition:ct his Hon Friend near hiin (Mr. R. Colborne),
for if the writ were suspended it would only keep up
the agisation.and give an opportunity to those who were
inimical to the great measure of frittering it away by
'amendments. As to the issuing of the writ, what occa-
sion was there for a notice? The writ was issuable

from the moment the Hon. Member refused to take the

oaths. He should be happy to Me Mr. CrColloeU ye-
elected. The electors of Clare had no reason to coo.

plain. for they toted under the law u it stood ; if they
had any complaint to make, Mr. O'Connell was the oc-
casion of it. for be pledged himself as a lawyer that be
might takp his seat under the law as it stood
Mr. USICISSON explained.
Mr. LITTLETON regretted that such a motion as
this was submitted to the House. He attributed none'

but the best motives to his Hon. Friend (Mr. S. Rice),,
but he begged to ask him what he proposed? Mr.,
O'Connell had had the benefit of every doubt that could
be raised ran the motion. Did his Hon. Friend expect
to succeed in this proposition after the decision to which
' the House came? Mr. O'Connell had no ground of
complaint. Had he presented himself sooner to the
Heine, he would have sooner had .an opportunity
retaining to his constituents. He admitted the mei
of Mr. O'Connell to his Catholic countrymen, but be
!'had no claim. to have his individual cal admitted isms
the Act of•ltelief.. • • .
Lord NUGENT said be could net vote.* 'the rue-
'position of his Honourable Friend-Mt giritlet). lit
voted for this Catholic Relief Bill, though them were
Some provisions to which he feltobjections, saseng
the test that now under consideritioi; bet he .shoisid
not think it light to turn round and say that the Bill
must be altered to meet the particular case in question,
He was a patty to no compromise of principle, but he.
I.lt himself called upon to make coaceisions for ih
purpose of securing a great public good. He saw ow-
thing in the conlmon la*, in the statute law, or in the
law of Parliament, which -snide it netestary to issue a
new writ. The course he should ode r was, to vote
against both propositions, that of the Sqlicitor General
and of his Honourable Friend (Mr. S. Rice).
Sir J: MACINTOSH said if the motion of his Hon.
Friend (Mr. S. Rice) should be pressed to a division be
would support it. Cestaiely he did know that the Bill
would exclude Mr. O'Connell; and though be regretted
it, he voted for thkgresi meant*, lest its success might
be endanewed by any Unbar cOootleration. He came
to the Hone the other. night, determined to avail him-
self of any dobbtato votefor Mr.O'Connell's taking his:
seat. for be considered his the greatest benefactor to
Eiglaild and Ireland. Seeing no reason to entertain
any such doubts, be declined to vote at all. As it wes
now determined by the House that he was excluded
tkilifer the Bill. he had no objection to such an emend-
meat eta)* measure as would admit him to take his
wet. As to the pledge given to his Constituents by Mr.
O'Connell, there was nothing in it inconsistent with'the
character of a lawyer, or a man of bonoer. He thought
he might sit and vote under the law as it stood ; and
such being his opinion, be was perfectly jesti6ed io de-
claring it. The tangoes. of Mr. O'Connell proved the
purity of his intentions towards his country. But after
all he wished the present motion would not be pressed.
Mr. W. HORTON concerted in the wish expressed
y his Hon. Friend who had just einclutied. He never
gave a vote with greater reluctance than that of the
Other night; be wished Mr. O'Connell to be placed
that House; but be nevertheless had aduty to discharge,
and in discharging it he meant no personal hostility to
Mr. O'Connell. The Catholic Relief Act bad reference
mile to persons elected after its passing, and without any
regard whatsoever to the Hon. and .Learned Member
for Clare. In tact it was not specially directed against
any individual. The qualidentima to sit in that House
Were the oaths taktu before the Relief Act, and the re.
fusel to take them of necessity induced the rejection of
Mr. O'Connell. The House of Commons deliberately
decided the.question, and he thOught the motion of the
Learned Solicitor General should be dirtied.
Mr. S. RICE said. as the question involved some
feeling of bouour and good frith, he would, with the
consent of the House, nn* withdraw it. He wished to
avoid discontent. and if be had tried he begged the
pardon of the House.
Mr, Secretary PEEL said be had att personal feeling
upon the subject, and be was only induced to say, a
word upon it, -in consequence Of. *hat bad fallen
frOrh an Honourable sad Learned Gentleman. The
motion proposed was strictly accordiog• ao precedent
and analogy ; and whether thi cases of blouson and
psoiliawe were exactly analogous, all. he, .copLi say
bias, that while they were not expelled, new..writs
*era issued, and such was the case- with Mr. Arch-
dale. • That of Mr. O'Connell's wit-sfeillar To Mr.
Archdale's, and they dealt with"bisn io, the 'Wine way.
In a recent case, be meant that of MT. Southey, a new
writ was issued upon his refusal to qualify ; that *china;
!weever, he admitted to be on different grounds of die-
Tlalification. Alt the precedents adduced bad bees
since the Revolution ; they had been followed up in the
present Case . • the privileges of the House as well as its
dignity required them to be so, and therefore Mr. O'Con-
nett yield not complain either of harshness or serillitt.
MrAp.'Ccinnell was elected before the conclusion of the We
Seaasots of Parliament; he was inLoadon since his sleet eta
motion was made on his behalf, until be himself bad
recentlythought preper to press hoe thelieese.TheHouse
had decided jidicrally, gust that • decisicni the 'Deli
writ mart of necessity be issued. It was said in certain
quarters out of this House, that indscemeots were held
out to swell the majority against his adseissioil ; but Os
that aslertion.he gave the most pareoptory and decided
denial. It was regarded entirely u a judicial questkest
and in taking the coarse the House bad pursued, tith
slightest harshness or severity was not intended towards
Mc. (Mona ..31r.O'Connell shoold be considered as
mete indieidgal Member of Parliament, and regardlai
of persons, this Muse he was sate would fearleult
'discharge its duty Hear).- He hid beard thesPecch
of the Honourable (Mr. S. Rice) with sods+
regret. It was a bitter satire on the intentions
Government, which he (Mr. Peel) thought was psdet
served, sad which perhaps the Hop. Member (Mr. si
Rice) had. not himself intended. He gave tbe Hen;
Member.credit for not wishing to excite diisatiifaction;
or .retard the conciliation. or under-rate the
penance of the Catholic Relief Bill; and be **ass sails:
Ned rhat,witbont indulging in any prophetic expressions,
that harmony. and good 'feeling not only wield, but had
,aleeady, most materially resulted from it. The floe,
Member (General Gascoyne) seemed to take a 41*-
[went' view of the. subject. Tharflon. Men*" arum
have greatly at beart.the latetest•altbecooeteelf Lae:
castereeed the wealth and prospetlyttfilettoft of
ireepool; and as; in charity to tyre lied felipleA a
portion of Lancashire, the Government were datenniaed

Mr. Secretary PEEL said he never Wetted In any prophecies
m to the quiet of 'Wand. • All be said was. that with wet the tat.
proved state of Ireland, that threereghnents could be witheafety
withdtawnidt. S. RICE explained.
Mr. C. W. WY NN saW k appeared doubtfal to hint if the
better course would not he.. herb to have lint .discharged Mr.
O'Connell from his atteamite in that House, than to abape it to
be present forin--(Question. QueigeW). •
Mr. BUTLER CLAKKE said he had not the slightest doubt
but that the Catholic Relief •Bill wools' confer the most essential
advantages no Ireland.
The EOLICITOR GENERAL said it way slmost unnecessary
for Um to say a ward isteepiy. He meant as harshness or hosti-
lity • Mr. O'Oxinell called (or the. &minion, and it would be on..
words! of Mal (sloe Solicitor Getters!) Iran mob an occasion be bad
'net honestly On:barged his duty .0a was anxious to pursue the
preceding usages and rules of that lipase, sod had not so fax in-
vaded die dates which were imposed Se bins.
The'rootlon wart then agreed to, with a verbal addition upon the
suggesdan of Mr. Emulation.
A Message from the Lordsannettneed their Lordships' agreement
to small gringo Bills.. .;
Col. DAVIES said he would move, without further
preface, that it be a Standing Order of this House not
to receive Petitions after half-past 64 o'clock. Great
inentivenieoce. resulted from the existing 'novice; the
public business was...delayed,• and it was high time
that each. a practice sh. nld, be. abolished: Eve!), one
•knew the title occupied is ptesenting Petitions, the
result .of which_ afiet all was in vouching to the
,yespectabiligy oh the petitioners. Upon the C4thotie
•
Qftentitalt adore there were. 3,000 petitions ; nO•doobt,
upon great subjects, they wete entitled to respect, but
he would venture to say,that very little a t-ntion was
paid to their contents. afthough they expressed the dd.
fereot opinions of the people. The J•tornals cf-this
Home afforded him many precedents .for his motion,
ham tjte yeai,l643 down to the period when the prevent
usagelfirst•previuled. • His grestribject was ihst no.new
petition should be brongl t up alter half past five, until
•ilmOviders of the Day should, have been first disposed of.
Mr. E DAVANPORT hairier secomletl the motic:ii: • .
%Ur. i.lfirti.lCTON opposed the motion. on the ground that it
timid-SOI be dithaied for odsi iamb, even if it were now agreed
too . Hts did mt. sgree.witit the Hon.ldentbii when be said that
the pet the pulp!, were netreteived with-every respect, tvr
'die lasoltsknis 104 casks!, the Property that
wendonli Men liatherlti,iiiitsuenee of the diSiusWans en repeated
pldtiisi dilla;Eferely on tiid :gaga) discuisuon. Upon these Wm.
pie gromilthe felt it has duty to opPore—the
iltralgirtWere then ordered to.wlshdeitsts, but - • •••
Coduied•DAVl procemie4 to reply: tie said his opinions of
ttlfrgiettiee?7ww unchanged, and bellispla divide the House upon
niesasaite were then ordered to withdrew; but no divisign nick
place, and.thp maim was' °eget teed. withouti division.. •
lie. C. PAf,.Lal$R rose potsitant to novice. to move for leave
1s bring io a Mil to alter and atisend the !awl relotive to partepialls.
'Threhjett of ids Dill would beici she greater facility to' the loo-
ggiellitit life and pre#erty, and secure the public from mwty.uC
dime vintages which bad Wren from the improper L..obstruction
of hoems,and thereby subjecting e great-and increasing.populs,Ouu
Ai the calantitia which had wr frequently attended them
Lome wab awn green to bring its the • • •
• .The CEA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rhtived the Order
'of the Day toed', Meuse going into a Committem nu the &stela
judges' Salaries .Bllli.
Sir. W. DRUMMOED (eh a painful duty in resisting the
magi ; hot be did so. firmly belkving that'll Wilford impede the
rirof dm administratiow of junace in• &Wand tie thorril. a
e:shssi be wise to incorporate 'frial by Jury with-the I.ms of
Scotland; and if this Bill pasted into a jaw, ke feared that that and
other necessary improvements would be delayed, it not alt./ether
deterred. Vadpusswlnioas existed Pp* the improvements which
SEIM beeMbilecessary ; bat of ape thing lae.was certain,' that if
Oda edigmased.loto a law, the teatime St knit-evening would•lbe
most inatertaly_diminislied. .
•CMANEM:LOR of the EXCIISQUER eb'al the
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don intmaled to be.proposed Wai aue•vihicla. wikt•ni (rot
wide any farther measures chit might be neeestarytisisd
glitir
was stiletl I remuneration for services. - •
:11EOU'G HA U said that he hoped when they were in Coil-
gob" end the Right Hooottrable Gentkinso went intri.bis nate-
Wient, be would not forget to make it 'an'integral pas 'allege
aspalet the House with the number of days in the weer, aiidihe
amber of boon in the day, duridg which thee Learned Persme
eat, as also the number of mouths in the year during vittlett.they
kept e*clre holiday: He spoke only of the Judgia of ottelison ;
for as in some Illentlits there were Bashawli of sib tails and
wards, so io &Weather* were Judges of ihrse•garegi, *of two
sod glom •

gowns... a gown. ' •
Mr. FERGUSSON. mid, that although the Scotch todilikeild
not,sk so long as she Jedgetin Esgiled, ye* they lead awe Wile .
set of Court. He was opinion that the Scotch Judges were nit
adequately paid. and was therefore glair that such a swami urea
to be brought forward.'
Mr. HUSKiSdON-felt some surprise that well simeantre wee
to be brought forward at this period of the Seeders, when it was
known to be the wish el thre.Gepterathetit to bring the proceedings
of Parliamest to a slow as speedily as ppsulble. There were unsay
subiecti connected with the Judicial Ratablbharenrs in Scotland
sekkill called lot inqtrity and 'perform, and he thought to segment
salaries was Imightolog at Me wrung etdb and- particularly in the
resent state of the country. He beileved that If the Hume hid
now to determine epos the augmentation of the salirlis of English
Ja4gea.,-irworrid. net perhaps have- heed doe* 'arm the leak
*hills we villa WIS.
Mr. Ara EEL said that his Ri;ht Hon. Friend was a
Mir air ditint ittaisent whet the salaries of the Riigli J4,lle's
mad 12daideaddhe thought that would have beta tee fittest delft
fere the maim oftbe increms—{Meat).
• WPM' 080141 said that be had ad, spoherkut the dills tt
eireanotaacti of 'the times.
Mr. basun PEEL watt is to comsat* that no fats objeclos