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London, England, 1804-06-28 00:00:00

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The Martinis of -ABERCOR.N role, is conic.
quence of the notice he bad given relative to Mr.
Plaice Foe. He was now enabled to date that his
Majefly's Minitiers were &thou. that this important
fubjed fhould be elifeulf:d in that serious, deliberate,
and constitutional manner which it teemed fo imperi-
onlly to demand ; bnt be was Corry at the fame time
to find that it was their with and watentiern to throw
the burden of bringing the difcuillon forward alto-
gether on his (boulders. Although he could have
wilted it in other and abler hands, he felt it to be an
()Ned of filch importance to the justice of the coon
try, to the gentlemen, magittrates, and people of
Ireland, that no confederation lhould make him thrink
from the labour and pains which he was rinfeious the
invefligation would require. Two rea lons, however,
would prevent him from moving anything fpecific in
the Wind's at prefent, or probably during the prefent
fellion. In addition to the petition of Mt .Hart, feveral
other charges of a fimilar nature had been tranfmit-
ted to him, couched however in fo unparliamentary a
tlyle, as he believed would render it neeeffery for
him to fend them back to Ireland, to be pot into
fume degree of &ape. This circumllanee, and the
remote and various parts of the country from which.
it would be necegary to coiled the evidence, led him
to doubt how far it might be ready to meet their
Lorellhips perufal during the prefent felon. There
was, however, another reafon, which of RICK weigh-
ed fo Itrongly with him for delaying the iovelliga-
tion, as, without any other, would have induced him
to poßpone it. He underflood, though he had not
feen Mr. JuLlice Foss that he wite not teady. with his
defence, even in the cafe of Mr. Hart. This was
a cattle of delay, which the Houlk could nig refill.—
It agorded them an opportunity of to ihg Mr. Jul-
tice Fox the belt and moil appropriate of all lain.,
Though he was accufed of precipitancy In the exer-
eife of his judicial fundion., and of pre-judging the
cafes of his hl4efly's [objets, he would be coornced
that Parliament, which could alone take cognizance
of hit eafe,• was not inclined to prejudge hint. The
Noble Marquis then proceeded, in eiequent and ex.
prelEve terms. to dwell on the au neh.u. nature of the
charges made againfl the atculid, declaring, that he
felt the tirrneit convidion in his own mind, that he
was treating tie fubjed with more lenity than it de.
reeved.
The Earl of MOIRA could not confiner the No-
hie Marquis as having just caufe for the ditfatisfac-
tion which be teemed to entertain against the ',relent
Adminillration, for having thrown the !rouble id
profeeuting the charges which had been urged in the
petition of Mr. Hart, on his th.oilder.. Neither the
former nor the prefent Government were competent
to purftw any other con•-leot proccedine. Ha.: the
Noble Moguls, when he 6. ti mentioned this cubic&
to the Houle. thought proper to top the-e. the Ad-
minittration would have been lei: at liberty to adopt
that line of c unto& which, on a lair foniiderationpf
the fells they thought moil likely to endive and pro-
•ide for that Joe and impartial dint ibuto,n of jmiice
which was the bell proof of the excellence of that
eonßitutioa we enjoyed. But as the Noble Marquis
had thought proper to follow up his Ipereb with pre•
(curing a petition, containing very grave and feriou.
accufations, it was no longer in the power of hie Mao.
jed es Government to interfere, and they sated wifely
and impartially in leaving the whole of the important
mattes to Ilse tuisiso ciolaboratiost of doe Keefe. His

Cordfhii. coincided in the
lion made by the Noble. M.
mould be prefumeerlonnAtot
be guilty, a maxim able?'
confined to mere theory.
Hoo. and Learned Judge
Advantage of. His Loimithip
acquaintance with Mr. JuP'
due to him. And to weer
tion, to be fairly apprifet,
the charges which were
again& his.
Lord CARLETON
with the dignity oftbeir
foieery important and teri
of accadation were redueei
cal f.rtn. It wintld be '
did and fair sonde of Ft
mined in all cafes that w,
tribunal as drat comporri
'the 'merlon acculed (avoid.
dusk faits it was intends&
The mere imputatitm.of
huhidifoo trm any itisif-ar
throws ow againtt a peril.
ation that the ;darned JAN
that infante was ag4rava
His Lordlhip duffed that
not be compelled to ling(
reputation, but that the
the courfe of this &Sm,
irauch a way as to *Sad
pellini the charges.
The Marquis of ABEL
mer ethic:l/anon., that the
him, but from the cattle.
the petitions trantinitted t
parliamentary language,
was the with of the Lead
should not he further proceeds
was nut fully prepared to
The LORI) CHANCJ
fuggeflionr thrown out by _
count, of reducing the charge,
Much deliberation (hoult)
that of bringing forward
any one ; and when they
lhnuld be reariaed and
to that precife and inteili
secured Ihould, at the fit
the nature of the clia•ge,
what that patticular offs,
had to defend hinsfelf. I
their L trdthips, if this at
hem, to determine, as
which it Mould be heard
ment in the Conititution,
Judges, took place, it w.:
be rernoveable only on
from either Houfe elf P,
avother atomic in which _ e 5nr0m0......._
Isirafeif in the exereile oThis alect maj be peer
ended againil, arid that wat.'by as inipeaelonent
brought by the Commons before^ that Honied Am
this was the only inflance fence the Revolution hi
which charges had been brotrght forward again* a
perfon fo facred, important, and dignified $
fituation as that of one of the Judges of the lands
fwnrn to adminitler the Laws with truth and haw.
(aside, he tlriught their Lordthips could not be toe
cautious or cir eumlped iv the obfereation of thole
forms which, by the example of this cafe, would ups.
rate hereafter as precedents.
The Marquis of ABERCORN co/tittered it ens
very candid to impute any deligned or even uninteto
tional irregularity to him, when the greaten Law
Officer of tbs Crown showed that there had been no
precedent of any charges being brought forward
against a perfon prefiding in a Court ofjultiee Inc.
toe Revolution. For himfill he was very ready to
adopt that form of proceeding which thole more COCI.
yerlint withourkolicialprocets &mold recommend.
The Duke of CLikRENCE coincided with the
Noble and Learned Lord on the woolfaek, in the otim
fervatiors he had made. He thought it a very great
grievance fur any man, much lefi one of his Majeci
tv's Judgea, to continue for a confidereble time tinder
the (ninon of acculations of which he may poffi'oly be
acquitted. He had known accordions cf a moll fey
riot's nature impending over a man for many years,
and terminate at lad in nothing.
Lord HAWKESEURY d.clated that Imbed the
moil rerfeift coatidei ce in the oprightnefs of the Inch.
:II /Co by srhich the condoet rf the Noble Martini,
was g,tverne.;. Ile teas petfu tdt.! that his Nob!'
Friend it 14 r. ,t brought 1 rward a tingle charge,
within being convint.ed, in his own opinion, that be
had the me xis of lubilantiating thins It would be
for their Lordships, when they Ihould be called on
judicioufly to decide on these fells, to take the eel.
dente into their confideration t but until they Bona
be fo called upon, it would be indecorous, of at leak
premature, to enter into any dilcutfion of it. In the
prefent dage of their proceedings they Ihould confine
thenifelltes merely to an arrangement of the mode
in hich they fhould proceed in the neat ((Sm.,
before which time this inhieft mod probably would
not come before them. There were, in his opinion.
hut two modem; one was for the Nible Lord to rife
in his place, and to Rate that he had charges of yea
moment to b:ing fnward agamil tine of the Judges,
which changes Ihould be afterwards written down
and ti t fee ind wat. to have diet., pretented to their
Lordthisi in the form of petitions. Its both eats k
would be proper, that the perfons complained agahtit
oruld be furoithed wi: h copies ,if thofe charges.
The Marquis of A BEIICORN again contended
that the mode adopted by him was the vary OW
which had been poti.tcd out. That the petitions ter
him had been inaccurately framed was net attributable
to him. As loon as the cleft& could be reused; td, the
petitions thlith.l be it'd on the table.
Lord CA ftLETON +abed that the fpeeik asps
gee the mid lie on the table in tivrig this Winn.
The Marquis el MIERVOAN

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trifCit '64"e
she propriety of the obfiernm
e Marquis, that every! mein •
pent until IRt wai proved to •
ch;ird tinged, *mad, not be
y, but which he hoped the
Ise would have the praddeal
Rilhip had but a very *nail
Futtice For, tont he thouslit it
:ry one aandiiigln his ti.rcil '
ed of the fpecific nature of
rare to be brought forward -
thought' it would beg full
• Lordthips! pt.‘credingi, en
riots' an necaliott, if the he •
eed into a precife and tech
but a pu~ree nf that tend
reeediug„ which alually_olia
were fulmeitted to is
_arta
G•d by their. LorsAms, anal
d hate certain tnfognition
ckte *lied& igeksit hiss.—
nsiCconrhsitt was•e eery g •
icritgEng,•lnirwlten it • • .
rfori filing the dignirvrd anew
Judge did, the ptreithment itt
wined •in a tenfold degrse."—
at •the Learned judge would
ger under this torrbte of his
,e Noble Marquis wordily in
t, bring forowed the fubjeSt •
rd hies an opportunity of TIE •
ERCORN tepeatea his iota
re delay did not proceed from ,
:s he had limed, namely, that
i to him'were trot couched in
•, and that be ondevilond it
toned Judge that the bulimia
roceedesl in at preterit, as ha
to meet •he charge,
iCELLOR spin need of lid
by *Noble and Learned YIP
charges to a fpecific forns,—at
Id precede fo ferinns an se
I charges of acenfation againgl
y were brought forwards the?
confined as MK* as poilblie
iligible grape, that the period
ii a blulb, clearly comprehend
e, and know to a certainty
fence was again& which be
It would be incumbent on
accufation was to be heard by
foots Sc poZsble, the mode in
rd. When that great improve.
on, the independence of the
was enaaed that they amnia
an Addles to his Mikity
Par:ionent. There was alto
1 a lodge erbo-hadmifcondada
!rcife orhia Ogee mai be pro.
tat Wati'll an impeachment
sons before" that Houle; A. 2
anee frnee the Revolution in

:ingly endeavour to accommodate the Noble Lord,
if he, on the other hand, would affiit him in putting
the different charges in form.
Here the Bithop of St. ASAPH called the Order
of the Do,.
The Marquis of ABERCORN afked how it was
polliblf that the Right Reverend Prelate could divine
what be was going to fay
The Bithop of St. ASAPH did not pretend to the
power of divination ; but he apprehended the whole
of the difcuflion was out of order, there being no
motion before the houfe.
The Duke of CLARENCE thought the prefent a
convex-Cation. of the highett interefl, and did not with
that it should be dropped till their Lordthips really
knew how they flood.
The LORD CHANCELLOR differed entirely
from the Noble puke, and thought if the Houfe did
not know on what ground they Rood, the fooner they
did fo the better.

•DDITION AL MINCE BILL.
The Queftion being put, that the Defence Bill
would be read a third time,
Lord SUFFOLK rofe, and was proceeding to
urge the propriety of trying the expedients of block-
boufes, bomb proof, and of martello towers, as a
means of defence on the Coati, and alfc to Rate the
immenfe erpence that had been unneceffarily incur-
red in the ereaion of barracks, where the weakell
boy was paid at the rate of gs. per day, whatever his
work might be ; when he was called to order by,
Lord MULGRAVE, who hated that this had
sto reference to the Bill.
Lord SUFFOLK then infifted on making a dif-
tin& motion on the fubjea; but upon a fuggeftion of
the Lord Chancellor that a notice of this motion
would be requifite dropped his intention. He, how-
ever, entered on the fubj ea of the Bill, and contend.
ed that it was a heavy tax on the landed intereft. He
recommended the aceuftoming the people of this
Country to arms, and expreffed his approbation of
the fyflem of Willing men fouls limited period of
fer vice.
Lord *ARWICK oppofed the third reading of
the Bill for much the fame reafons as were ufnally
alledged againft it.
Lord HARROWBY replied; and after a few
words on the fame fide from the Lord Chancel-
lor, the Bill was read a third time And paired.—
Adjourned.