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Leaders ; and a proof of this was, that simultantious
oseetingldning the two last Administrations in Ireland. 4
bad been suppressed by the force merely of a protlensat
lion of tf.e Lord Lieutenant. The Noble Lord ha 3
thought proper, however, to organize, or at least to pa.
triminnsether Associations, quite as lawless and uncoa-
aketioesil as the Catholic Association. He was no
Muhl to the Catholic Association; there were few pub.
lie men-who bad enjoyed a larger portion of its abuse
than Ise had done, but it was vow suppressed, and he
omit do it the justice to say, that it contained men of
very high talents, who were, he believed, sincerely de.
sirens of preserving the public peace. The Noble Lord
bad put himself at the head of Associations for the
purpose of suppressing all others in Ireland by club law.
Bhew him a mad priest of theCatholicAssociation.and he
would show a madder parson belonging to the Bruns-
wick Clubs. In some of these loyal Associations for
preserving the peace. the language employed was, that
the King bad forfeited his Throne. In what severe
censure would the Noble Lord have indulged had the
Attorney General and his Majesty's Government over.
looked language so violent as this in the Catholic Ass°.
elation? The Government were, however, to be com-
mended for overlooking this language, and not per.
twitting themselves to be withdrawn from the steady
prosecution of the great measure they had in view by
any such ebullitions of individual intemperance.
There were not only factious Priests and Rhode.
osontaders and sedition-mongers on both sides, but
there were•rent-collectors on both sides. The Noble
'Earl himself, he belierred, was a rent payer.—(The Earl
of Longford here said " No, only a subscriber.")—Let
it be subscriber then. The Catholic Rent was paid by,
subscribers. He bad never heard of its collectors as•
seating the right to distrain. For all that had been
done. however, he thanked the Noble Usti, he thanked
the Noble Duke, he thanked the Brunswick Clubs, and
he thanked the Catholic Association. If Mr. O'Connell
bad any merit. the Noble Lord was fairly entitled to
share it with him,with this difference, that Mr.O'Connell
Was a very sagacious man, and had succeeded, while the
Noble Lord had only contributed to his own defeat. It
was much more easy to be a critic than a performer.
The Noble Lord had professed his dissatisfaction with
the conduct of Government dining the Period when
Lord Liverpool was at the head of affairs, and a Noble
and Learned Lord f rmerly on the Woolsack, a distin-
guished Member of the Administration. He should be
extremely glad to know what would in the same cir-
cumstances have been the measures of the Noble Lord.
and then they might all be critics in their turn. He
would advise the Noble Lord to consult a distinguished
Naval Officer, a relative of his own, who would perhaps
tell him that he carried too much sail. and that it wiold
not be amiss if there was a little more ballast, and some
discretion at the beim. He might perhaps say also
that it would not be amiss if the Noble Lord kw* to
what port be was bound.
The Earl of LONGFORD confessed himself enable
to answer the able, humourous, and argumentative
speech with which they bad been indulged by the
Noble Lord, but he repeated, that be was still uncon-
vinced of the truth of the assertions of the two Noble
Lords (Lords Plunkett and Anglesey) with respect to
the benefits derived from the Association, and that be
thought them still a Joint Stock Company of Treason
and Sedition. The Noble Lord then repeated what be
bad said on a former evening, with respect to the neg.
ligence of the Government of Ireland in not putting to
force an Act which the Noble Lord had, when Attorney
General, declared to be absolutely necessary to the pre.
salvation of the peace of lieland. That Act had beei
from the first stigmatised as an Algerine Act. and de-
nounced by the people; and be thought still, that the
Noble Lord. was constitutionally, if not legally. respoor
sible for not potting it in force, or calling for new
powers if he required them. He was sure that there
was no insufficiency on the part of the Noble and
Learned Lord; and he (Lord Longford) had merely
complained of his inefficiency. He hoped that the Go-
vernment would be able to carry the new law into
effect, but he contended that they bad not carried the
old law into execution as they ought to have done. The
Noble and Learned Lord had been very free of his ad-
vice—he had offered it with bountiful liberality ; but
as charity began at home. he (Lord L.) recommended
that be should commence by advising himself, and tak-
ing that advice. The Noble and Learned Lord might
have spared all the lectures be had given him (Loa
Longford) about theeourse he should steer, the dangers
to which he was exposed, and nonsense of that sort,
The Noble and Learned Lord had spoken of the u just
grievances of the Catholics; but lie seemed to forget
that those grievances, such as they were, were sane-
tiooed by law, and for this reason the word " unjust
was sot applicable. To call them unjust grievances,
was as much as to oty that unjust wrongs were inflicted
on the Roman Catholics, and such language ought net
to be addressed to the people of Ireland. In referring
to the Bill of 1825, be bad spoken of the Noble and
Learned Lord only as the paid public servant of the
country, when he filled the office of Irish Attornry.
General. and he (Lord Longford) did not profess to be
sufficient lawyer_ to be able to decide whether the
execution of the law was or was not strictly entrusted
to the Noble Lord, bat the common opinion certainly
was that it belonged especially to him. He (Lord L)
bad also been accused by the Noble and Learned Lord
with- being an enemy to free discussion. Ile begged to
state that be was as sincerely and warmly the friend
of really free discussion as the Noble Lord. It could
ferule no greater isjury than from licentiousness,
sod the abuse of free discussion bad been well exem-
plified ix the proceedings of the Catholic Association.
The Noble and Learned Lord contended, that in 1825
the Brunswick Associations were as blameable as the,
Catholics, in persevering In their meetings; but os
referring to the circumstances of that time, it would be
feud that the Protestant Associations then in existence
ceased to amiable. while the Catholics continued to
meet just as if no Bill bad passed for their ruppressitia.
He bad also been attacked by the Noble Lord fur being
s. peapbat; be was not aware that be had ever pre•endedl
to second sight; while the Noble and Learned Lord'
had, on the contrary, indulged in many alarming warn-
ing, which fortunately had sever been fulfilled. • With,
;respect to his Gallant Relative, he must state, that he
had' w withdrawn from the represestetion of the county
by which he was formerly chosen, because he found
Chat those by whom he had been formerly returned
wield not ee-elect•hirn, and he would not consent to be
obaceed by others. In conclusion, he might fairly admit
ti* say time, he was cot able tocope with the abili-
f the Nob:, and Learned Lord, and be,was
coluelytesable to answer a two-days' speech by a two.
ashietse• speech. As far as he had gone, he hoped be
And tompletely rebutted the assertions of the Noble and
Lord.
L • of !WELLINGTON had setintended at
all taillindorein the present discussieerand-shoold not
sow have risen but for one observation of his Nible and
Learned Friend, if he might be permitted to call him
so. That observation was, that in Alyea, 1825, when

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been Is impressah at the thne.
The Duke of WELLINGTON added, that it was M-foundt;al
at far as related to any intention on the part of the Government
of that day. He remembered a paragraph in a letter written by
Noble Relation then at the head of affairs in Ireland, to the Noble
Earl who then idled the elks of Prime Minister. io which it was
asked, whether there exbted soy such understanding? and the
reply bad been in the negative. i
Lord PLUNKETT. in explanation, admitted that there bad
been no general understanding on the subject, bet be referred to
the impression on Woven mind, and his private expectation that
such a Bill would be introduced.
The Duke of WELLINGTON expressed himself estidied
The Bishop of BATH and WELLS presented nine Petitions
from fiemereetsitire against further Concession to the ROOM Ca-
tholics.

Lord PLUNKETT presente.l Petition from several parishes
hi biked is favour of the Roman Catholic Claims.

The Earl of SRA FTESBURY Frescoed a dadlar Padden
freak Wootton. in Donet.

Adjoutaid at a SWARM PAP?
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Sir 0. Cssas took the Oaths and big Seat.
On the modon of Alderman ATK INS. a Bill was ordered to
be hrooght in far Paving, Lighting, and Improving the Precinct
of Brbiewell _ _ _

Oo the modes of Mr. LAWLET, a EM was ordered to be
brought hi to resider eatra•pareebW a Owe of ground on whish
the Dohs of Hotbed Is about to construct a Mausoleum.

CATIIIOLIC CLAIMS.

Colonel POWELL pretested a Pablon from a parish in Car-
diganshire, against any further concession to the Roman Catholics.
Colonel SIBTHORPE presented a Petition, with the ante
prayer, from the inhabitants of the parish of &aslby, Lincoln-
shire. The Petitiocen stated that they were (deeds to religious
toleration, but reflecting on the unalterable spirit of the Roman
Catholic Religion, they most earnestly entreated the Hoes. not to
endanger the Constitution by admitting the Roman Catholics into
the Legislature. The Honourable Member denied that this Pe-
tithe had been got up in a hole and corner. and said that he way
not surprised at the alarm of those who had subscribed it. trvol-
letting that the kliallers,who, they had hoped, would protect the
Constitution, had declared themselves the friends of kincuration.•••
He felt it his duty, also, to call the attention of the House to a
speech he had read with disgust, and which professed to hive been
delivered at a meeting of what were termed the friends of the
Roman Catholic Claims, held at a public tavern. That speech re-
quired that Emancipation should be conceded unconditionally,
u as that alone would satisfy the people, secure the Crown, and
unite together the population of the two kingdoms." Such lan-
guage he treated with the contempt it merited; it consisted of
u words full of sound and fury." but. thank One! " signifying
notidng."—The Petition was then brought up and laid upon the
table.
Sir T. MOSTYN presented a Petition also against further con-
cession from a Hundred in Flintshire, expressing his regret that
he could not support its prayer ; also a Petition of the same kind
from Sc. Aleph.
Mr. WYNDHAM presented a Petition with the same pnjer
from the Clergy of the Archdeacoary of Sarum. He observed,
that no Petition from that quarter, and with that prayer, had been
more numerou,ly or respectably signed.
Mr. BANK KS presented Petitions against the Catholic Claims
from the Elders of the Scotch Presbytery in London, and front a
parish in Carnarvonshire.
A ltuiral SOT ERON presented 14. similar Petitions from pa
riches in Northamptonshire.

On the motion Of-Sir V. HAMS, the Petition from the Select
Vestry of St. Mary-Is bonne was referred to the Select Committee
on the Standing Orders.
WS IMAM
Mr. DAVENPORT piesented Petitions iron, the Mantes
sad Silk Tbrowsters of Macclesfield. and from the Retail Trades
men of the same town, praying inquiry sad wilding's the eistfog
laws relative to the anusofacture and importation of silk. The Hon.
Member observed, that distress was daily increasing in fdaededield
--that half tse looms were unemployed, that hag the weeklies
were subsisting upon precarious charity, and that half the houses
were unoccupied. It was absolutely necessary that the present state
of the law should be revised ; and unless souse remedy were stsedall
discovered, this country would certainly low this valuable
nunufacture.

Sir G. PHILLIPS denied that the editing stagnation anise est
of the recent changes in the law as regarded silk or any ether ma-
nufactures Those changes In fact had been beaellelal, and the
French amalgamate would be very glad if tide country vvoild
consent to return to the old system. The great eztasslea of the
trade was the real cam of distress, and It operated also upon the
cotton manufacture.

Mr. EGERTON counted fully the statement of the Hon.
Member for Ma** (Kr. Davenport).
Mr. BRIGHT earnestly recommended • renewed lost*,
before a Committee; further investigationmold not be avoided,
sea ought not to be avoided. Whether any fresh investigation bad
been undertaken by the Board of Trade he knew net, but the only
fit mode of proceeding was to re-appoint a Committee.
Sr H. PARNELL admitted the existence of distress, buteadd
not admit that the state of the law was the cause of it. The true
came bad been pointed out by the Duke of Wellington, in answer
to the Memorial of the Silk Trade, when he said that smuggling,
prevailed to an Patent which might render it necesiary to lower 1
the present dudes.
General GASCOYNE also maintained that a Committee was,
necessary. When it wu said that the manufacturers ought to,
persevere In the experiment, it seemed to be forgotten that they
were
the starving.—The Petitions were then brought up. and laid
epos tabk.
Sic R. KING presented a Petition from Mr. Bryan Lnughnan,
a freeholder of flare, praying to be heard by himself or Counsel iA
apposition to the Petition against the return of Daniel O'Connell.
he. for the county of Clare.
Um the motion of Mr. Baena, a New Writ wee ordered for
Corte Castle, in the room of W. Peachy, Reg. who has accepted
the Chiltern Hundreds.

Mr. ESTCOUIIi iresented a Petition from West Bromwich,
fitatordshlre, against further Concessions to the Roman Catholics.
The Hon. Gentleman said, that hitherto be had beard and seen
nothing to Induce bins to change his opinion.
After a few words from Lord MILTON, the Petition was
brought up. read. and ordered to be printed.
Mr. ESTCOUKT presented two other Petkions of a dollar
nature, from Carnarvou and WeybiU.
Lord DUNCANNON presented twenty Petitions from dif-
ferent parishes iti Tipperary, and four from different parishes in
Kilkenny, in favour of unqualified Emancipation; one Petition
against the Vestry Act, and another against the Sub-letting Act.