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London, England, 1816-05-25 00:00:00

• CIVIL. LIST.

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The Report of the Civil. List Bill being brought up,'
Mr. TIERNEY rose, to submit an Amendment
to the House, on this important measure. He ob-
served, that, after the frequency with which he had
delivered his opinions upon this general question, it
would ill become him to-occupy much of their time.
The Bill proposed to remedy the evilSwhich had
existed for so many years, in the annual *ices* in the
expenditure on the Civil List. The House well knew
that Parliament bad been called upon to pay the ba-
lance of debt in this department, in a number of in-
stances, and now, by the provisions of this Bill, the
recurrence of this evil was to be iprevented. • Well
then, bow was this to be done i Why, in the'first
place, it is proposed to separate the charges on the
Lists so as to make the ordinary expense* come
within the ordinary revenue of tie Crown, which
-amounted to the sum of A 1,088,000.. Now, by the
Bill, the expenditure was reduced to 41,080,000, so
that there me a sand surplorto be brought forward

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ibr ocher, charges. The iht, prove* so
of
celisdl, iadieved of 0255,000 by the estintates
the three COMMiliOnen appointed to regulate this
business, so that the irhole ,amount of these two
shine added together, drill be X 1,335,000. Then it
uppers that the public will, brie to pay this addi-
tional 0255,000 at least, independent of a charge for
a few thousands on the Consolidated Fund, which he
did not intend. to notice particularly now, as it was
comparatively unimportant to this argument.—
It then became a question in what departments or in
what items, it was possible to pare down the expen-
diture, and keep it a little withiti the means, and con-
sistent with the heavy burthens of the country, but
the only plan which could possibly effect this, had
been so frequently recoiomended by him in vain, that
be should now be silent on the subject, because he
'saw that the House was determined to shut its eyes
to a full and satisfactory enquiry, by selecting his
motions for Committees whenever he had made them.
In the arrangement on which this Bill is founded, it
was proposed to throw out of the civil list certain
branches of expense, for presents and the like; and
trust to the votes of Parliament for them. However
he might at one time have been disposed to approve
this scheme, he now felt it to he ohjectionable, be-
cause it deprived the Crowe of one of its must pleasing
functions, and he did not doubt that persons who
might have made discoveries, or in any way lay a
claim to the benevolence of the country, would feel
more gratified with a gift from the Crown of the
seine amount, than if it were the contested vote of
Parliament. Besides, as this had always been the
business of the Crown, he thought there must have
been an impression that it would be so continued
when the Estimates were made. The next feature
in this Bill, which intruded itself upon the notice
of the House, was the creation of a new office.—
The person who was to fill this appointment was
unknown, but it would excite some surprize when it
was known that he was .to receive £l5OO a year for
performing those duties which properly belonged to
otaers, and for which they were paid. (Hear, hear.)—
Here then it appeared that the very thing which he
had recommended to be done by a Committee of that
House, viz. an examination into the expenditure of
the Cavil List, was to be done by an officer, specially
chosen for the purpose. It was true, that he was to
be limited to the departments of the Lord Chamber.'
lain, the Lord Steward, and the Master of the Horse,
each of whom had a deputy, who were highly re-
spectable, and entitled to great confidence. It was
no answer, in justification of this new office, to say,.
that the whole salary would be saved in the restric-
tion vihich it wculd impose on :he Civil List exptn-
diture : if £1 500 could be saved, it ought to go into
the public service. If £l5OO must be expended in
this way, £5OO from each of the heads of the depart-
ments, which were to be thus inspected, would make
up the sum, and it was but fair that they should pay
for having their duty performed for them.—(Hear,
hoar.) In fact, the Lords of the Treasury should do
this; but he supposed that the new officer would soon
become as insignificant as the Char.cell:o of the Ex-
xhequer and the others for any of th.ise purposes, and
the House would know nothing at all about him, ex-
cept on his application for his annual salary. (Hear.)
He thought, by the plan proposed, the Crown would
be made nothing but a burthen on the country, and
,it would be much better to give a sum calculated to
ds&ray all the expenses of the kingly offices, and then
it an excess should arise from some unanticipated cir-
cumstance, it would be proper to apply to the House
on the subject ; bur, instead of this, the Noble Lord
proposed to give a sum, in the way of a vote of cre-
dit, and then, at the end of the year, he w.ntld come
forward and tell the House what was done with it.
A better mode of proceeding would be for an esti-
mate to be presented of these probable contingent
expenses, and he hoped some Member would propose
a clause, to be introduced into the Bill for this pur-
pose. It was set forth in the Bill, that the excess was
sometimes to be supplied by the contingent resources
of the Crown, when, not by a vote of Parliament,
or it was otherways to be provided for." Now,
this was precisely what he objected to ; he denied that
the Crown had a right to come to the House, till all
its assets were exhausted. This Bill would still leave
the droits of the Crown unappropriated, and Parlia-
ment might still have to delray the whole outgoings
on the Civil Lists He knew he should be, told that
the droits would be, applied to this purpose. It' so,
why not put it in the Bill. He was aware that he
might move that the whole of the droits be paid into
the Consolidated Fund; but then he should be com-
pletely turned round on this point, and get nothing by
it. However, he should move that the whole of the
revenue, or assets, as he might call them, should be
expended before Parliament were applied to, to dis-
charge any portion of the excess whatever. A pro-
posal of this kind was justified by the consideration
that the House was now entering into a new bargain
with the CrOwn. His Majesty undertook to defray
all these expenses for 0100,000 a-year ; but lie can-
'not keep to his ' engagement, and comes before the
House in forma pauteeris, asking for further support.
,Such was the fact ; at was the Crown which came'to
hem, they did not ger to -the Crown, aid they were
lielly justified in saying, in the first plaie, bring in
lull your, funds, let us see what you have got, and then
we will see to making up the deficiency—(Hear, hear),
lOoking into the papers he found a 'Treasury minute,:
directing the payment of 5t177,0000n account of ex-
, traordinary services. Now it appeared that there was'
sum of seBo,ooowhich bad fallenae-the Crown front
a Mr. Tioutbaek, be having died, without heirs. The
Trustees were ordered to sell the Stock wbich had
belonged to this individual, and- this sums, with the
help of the Droits of 'the Admiralty, Made up the
amount, with the exception of 47,000; and then
there was an order for the payment of twenty thousand
pounds for the building of a wing to the Prince
IRegent's residence at Brighton, and fifty thousand
pounds for furnishing he same.--(Hear, hear).—
But after this came the most important of all : at the
,commencement of the quarter ending the sth of,
April, there was a balance debt of £27,000, and tbe;
enormous sum of 4141,000 additiooal debt was to
be added to this, as the ',mess of that quarter, mak-
ing together £168,000, and this sum we public is to'
be burthened with, though the Regent had been
accommodated with £70,000 within the period of its
accumulation, and Ministers knew, at the time this
money was gives ter building and furnishing, that
pita of this excess was already incarred.—(Hear,
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Lord was to be depended upon, would be it." b;
the expenses of the first quarter after it was inada4
amounted to £416,000, or at the rate ot 81,651000.
when the estimate had been ie1,335 OW for the-
-(Hear, hear.)— He kneW not how that ea,inute
had been mide, and he dare say that the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had no satisfactory grounds nu
which to fix his calculations ; this was precisely the
thing which he (Mr. Tierney) complailed of. Bait
seemed that the new officer WAS to have the power Gi
examining
,prisons, papers. and records, nottuieb,
standing the cries of indelicacy towar:!s the Throne,
which the proposition for vest ittg a Committee of that
House with the same power had excited.—(B„,.
hear.)—The Noble Lord must have got over his ddi,
cate scruples upon this point before he could hog
introduced such a system—before he could& a spy
in the Royal kitchen, and subject the pew turte:l,t
to an examination upon oath.—(Hear, and a lave.).
He felt that the House was treated with indignity iA
this proceeding, for, certainly, an invest:gat:on by a
Committee of their appointment would be conducted
with as much respect to toe feelings and cireurn.
stances ot Royalty as the scrutiny of any saLditd
Officer, whoni the Noble Lord e.iglit appoint, pro,
vided he did his duty.-- (Hear,hiardsear).--Theß ght
Honourable Gentleman theta concluded by submitting
his amendments, which, he observed, was, in fact, it
plain English, that the Crown should net come to
Parliament for a single farthing till its lundsof every
description were exhausted.--(Hear, hear, bar),
Lord CASTLE R EA G H was surprised, that the
Right Honourable Gentleman could shut his eye,
upon the difference of expenditure on the pat of the
Executive Government in times of peace and war.

It was no less surprizing, that lie who, in his par4l.
mentary capacity, was so strenuous an advocate fee
the regular and speedy audit of accounts, should be
now so hostile to the appointment of a new officer,
whose business would be to audit and commit the et•

penses of the Civil List. But the Right Honourable
Gentleman appeared to be in such bad humour with
every thing dune by the House, or recommended by
the Committees of the House, that the single circum.
stance was sufficient to excite his disapprobation—.
(Hear, hear.) —The Right Honourable Gentleman,
also, with all his anxiety for public documenis, and
official information, never thought fit to glance over
a Treasury minute, from which he would have
learned; as already stated by him (Lord Castle.
reagh), that considerable reductions were already
made, and a system of prospective reduction laid
down, and that in the fifth class of the Civil List,
including the Lord Chamberlain and I.6td Steward's
Department, the Prince Regent had directed the
suppression of upwards of sixty places—(ltar)
It was unfair to take the April quarter as a criteria
of future expense, for that was a period in which the
incidental foreign expeases had occurred, in conse.
quence of the winding up of the tear. He was not
clear that he fully understood the Right fionourthle
Gentleman's plan —( hear, hear, five) the (sup otitiou)—
but as far as he apprehended. his view was, that fns
own measure, as contained in she Dill, was far less
expensive, and gate much less contralti to the Crown.
(4 laugh.) The effect of the Right Hon. Gentle.
roan's plan would be to withdraw the droits from tl e
Crown, and Ihtis completely incapacitate the Etecto
live Government from going on with iti public func-
tions, and further. give the Crown a enntroul over
the public purse, by allowing it to dispote of those
droits prospectively. The power ot. the Crown to
the disposal of these droits was reserved even in the
Prize Acts. But the amendment of the (tight Hon.
Gentleman would take from the Crown the power of
even giving what captors were entitled to, without the
intervention of Parliament. But, said the Right Hee.
Gentleman, what controul has Parliament ? To this
he would answer, Parliament had the remedy in kr
own hands, by its right to demand and obtain an ac•
count of the droits before a single farthing was voted
for this branch of the Civil List ; and his Bill proposed'
two occasions in the year fur the exercise of that con.
trout. He would state very generally how these Droits
had been applied since the accession of his want
Majesty, omitting, of course, distributions to captors.
The sum of £2,822,000 was applied to the public
'service, 5e1.334.0(X) to the Civil List, £192,000 in
grants to the younger bran Ches of the Royal Family,
and only £200.000 to the wants of the Crown. This
statement would satisfy even the most sceptical, that'
there had been no abuse of the application of these
contingencies' during the present reign. Why then
did the Right Honourable Gentleman suppose there
was any ground for a provision against an abuse
which never existed ?—a provision too the effect of
which would be to incapacitate the Monarch in the
performance of his functions, and by the new controul'
which it proposed to vest in Parliament over this
casual revenue, went to earafis? the course of our juris-
prudence. ( laugh.) 'I be Rt. Hon. Gentleman cen-
aured the expenditure of &WOO() upon furniture for
Brighton ; but how much more. was the sum necessary
to fit up any of the royal palaces for the country fr•
sidence of his Royal Highness. H's RoyaLHighnesr
was the only Prince in Europe who resided, when
out of town, in a house of his.own. He must give
his warmest opposition- to this amendment, which
was so monstrous to. propose to the Crown ;. the dis-
position, by anticipation, of money,. belonging not to
it, but to the suitors in our Courts.
Mir. TIERNEY, iii explanation, said his proposi.
lion was to apply to the deficiencies of the Civil Lit.
the residue of these droits, after the just claims ulna
them were satisfied, and this the Noble Lord called
paralyzing the whole system of our jarisitrudeoes.--•
A laugh.)
Mr. PONSONBY treated as nugatory the centrist!'
given by the Noble Lord's Bill. Suppose a dee•
ciency to exist=well, the House asks what was be-
come of the droits ? Why the Ministers advised the
Crown to apply them in the manner most agreeable
to it, and then Parliament must make up the defi•
ciency.—T-41 What," the Noble Lord timid oh
w won't you pay the expense of foreign. embossing
and other incidents of the public service i"• Why this
would not, and indeed could not be resister: ; he
would beseech the House for its own character, to
have the substantial security of these holds. Was this
a moment for exposing the people to additional ba-
thena a. When one part of the empire (Ireland) w•S
declared in a state of bankruptcy, by the C,hancrl;cr
of the Exchequer himself.—When Englaad 4:0111•
plaited of distress even to misery,—(Haar, hearg)--
, was this, he would ask, a time for Parliament to s.a.
dle the people tri;lt a, fresh load, us order to loa rf

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file wea- tom aint dtravagante of Ministers. end the
ilisties of the crown ? (Near, hear, Agar.)—.He would
doclore toktonly, that if the House.did so, by reject.
log rbis amendment, it would have done more to
its character in the eyes of the people, than ever
kw! done by any single act in the histery of Pa&
usiorar.— (Neer, hear, hear.) -
HUSKISSON contended, that the bill vested
ill parliament a 'talkie:it control:it ; that no single
bad been charged upon the application of this
casml revenue; and to shew how unfair and un-
heard the impressions that had gone abroad on the
subject of the Civil List, were, he would *ate, on
the authority of the Journals, that in tl:e last eight'
roof George 11. the average expense in what was,
tow called the fourth class, was £276,01)0, Visay it
ass now only £234,000 ; and in the filo* class, the
swage of the same period was stllo,ouo, whilst now
keys only £125,000. The Crown had, in fact, lost
oar ot its valuable patronage —(Lasegll). —He
cold easily explain the reason—it was the frequent
interference of Parliament, beginning with Mr.
aerke's Bill in 1782.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said, it was not easy
to follow the details of the extempore speech of the
Hasourable Member who had last spoken, neither
woo u possible to form any just decision ton those de-
tails, without a minute investigation of the circum-
&aces of the times alluded to. Thus much, hoe,-
en% he mieln say, that whatever money had been
apended in the time referred to, it had been ex.
pende:t in a way honourable to the count! y, and t? ..s
be Crown Was now thorn 44 much of itaildeod
Whatever had been the progress of checks and tegu. '
lations aid economy of late years, the result had al-
*ay been that the people had more to pay. He
feared be might also incur the reproach of the Right
Honourable Gentleman wha bad spoken last, by riot
adding any thing to the statement of the Mover of
the Amendments indeed, it was difficult for any one
is add to a statement of that Honourable Member
on subjects of this nature.—(Hear.) He should m-
ark, however, that it was a question, whether the
people were competent to meet the charge which was
to be thrown upon them ? It was to be considered
also, bow dangerous it was to leave at the disposal of
the Crown property which came into its possession in
a manner which he conceived to be illegal and un-
coostitutional—natnely, by the seizure of goods of
friendly merchanti, who come into this country on
the faith of treaties, and who were protected in their
persons and properties by Magna Charts. If the
Crown was allowed to apply to its own purposes the
goods thus seized, what was this but to give a pre-
mium on piracy, and to encourage the Monarch to
commit acts of aggression on Foreign Powers, and
provoke wars, of which the people had to bear the
'spew and peril ? The first instance of an endeavour
of the Crown to get possession of money by this means
was the attempt of Charles 11. to. seize the Smyrna
fleet before the declaration of war. The fund raised
by these means had lately amounted to millions, and
it was quite impossible that the House should endure
the proposition that such a sum was not under their
controul, but at the sole disposal of the Crown. The
Civil List had been granted in lieu of the hereditary
revenue of the Crown, and the droits of the. Crown
bad not been excepted by Parliament from that bar-
gain. The Noble Lord, however, had admitted that
these droits were held in trust for the public, and the
opezeiittue of ore= was therefore to be utssier the 1
costroul of Parliament. The difference then was,
that they wished to have some check on the expendi-
ture beforehand, and the Noble Lord wished first to
expend the money, and then. to throw himself on
what he called his reilsoniibihty.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord had said there had been no misap-
plication. Front this he (Sir Francis Burdett) dis-
sented. Since 1797 there had been various misappli-
cations of those droits. Several spins had been giv'en
to different branches of the Royal Family. The
Noble Lord 'would perhaps say that these sums were
rutted to the younger branches ; big he (Sir Ft antis
lialdett) would ask Whether the Prince of Wales, the
Dukes of York and Clarence, could be Considered as
the younger branches'? They could not. The
younger branches of the Royal Family, and those
who deserved from their hitegtity every consideration,
Were neglected, and even excluded from such benefits.
Tail was what he complained of as an improper ap-
plication of the Droits of the Ciown. It placed those
Royal Dukes who should be rendered independent
Peers of Parliament totally in the power, and depen-
dent on the will of Ministers.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—
It was ?ti this respect not only improper but uncon-
uitotional. If the Ministers of the Crown bad a
right to make'rnich applications of the Droits, they 111
had aright to the absolute controul of the entire.—
(Hear, hear.)—But if they did not claim t?e latter
a right, the exercise of the power in the former case
vas improper. It was now high time-that an end
should be put to the application of what he should con-
sider a piratical evil, for such he should call' it, at the
system by which those sums were acquired produced
a retaliation on our' merchants abroad. If there was
any applicationanade of those Droits, it should be in
the first instance to relieve the merchant's, who had
beta ruined' by the spirit of retaliation which the
*manner of acquiring them had created : thfy should
mho be given in part to the captors, who would have
a right to them if they had been taken in legitimate
*attar*. The Honourable Baronet then condemned
the application of any part of the Droits to the pri.
*ate expenses of the Pavilion at Brighton ; and 'be
ttimprved, that the defence set up by Ministers, that
this Money was laid out in furniture, which was the
Foamy of the public—such a defence proceeded.
how a misgiving in the minds of Ministers of the
iety of what they had done, and an acknow.
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Ermen
t of the controul which Parliament had a
to exerciser—(How, hear.) The Hon. Gentle-
man opposite (Mr. Huskisson) had talked a good
ciral Of the economy 'practised in*the reduction ot the
posonal expenses of the Sovereign. He (Sir Francis
Slirdett) .thought that this was bad economy.—
uaid away that generoui hospitality which was al-
*art agreeable to the people, and there was substi.
,toted for it an extravagance which it would rkquire a
mug habit of official assertion to persuade the people
141 arro thing like economy. This parade of eco-
nomy was disgusting, because the abolition of a few
small places, which gave rise to it, was generally suc-
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ceeded by the creation of a Fes place, and one
rich was much more expensive to the public Air-
/i+ . It lied been said, that the public service re-.
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114411harill IMObislo Peillarnent,
*WU
ate what the nettles of this Public service was I It
me not necessary to break the law for the pnblic sa-
ck. ; but the fact 'Mg Mhtisteri were afraid to make
such different applications to Parliament, at a time
when the Gentlemen of the county were almost
every one of them reducing their expenses in cones-
quence of the general distress ; Ministers did not
choose to say that the Crown was determined on no
redaction. The Honourable Baronet concluded b
expressing his approbation of the amendment, 'whit
was extremely moderate, and ought not to be refused
by the House, as it would take away the disposal of,
those Drnits from Ministers, and place it under the'
controul of Parliament.

Mr. HUSK ISSON explained.
Mr. LONG supported the statement of his Right
Hun. Friend, and contended that the Droits tot Admi.,
ralty might be applied to expenses of the Civil List.
Sir FRANCIS BURDE re explained.
Mr. S. BOURNE opposed the Amendment.
&h. TIERNEY explained his meaning with re•
spect to the Amendment. •
The quebtinn was then loudly c‘iled for, and the
gallery was cleared fora division. "Zile numbers were.
Fur the Amendment .. . 11$
Agaiobt is ' ' • ' ' 2
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Majority ariinst Mr. Tierney's Amendment ....—.llll
The 3Leport of the Val was thee received. .
NM ILLLANITAINI. ,

a the maim of the CHANCELLORoithe EXCHEQUER;
tint Husbandry Horses Bill was positioned to Friday.
.Lord MILTON sail'. lie undernaeod them were clause
elle •to rhe asseeniir-ntazarit./Csier-4►T r's 110 Pr fit.
pawns Aid were mowed thole aiesairenne Ot ,„
those exemptions were taken away, the coniequimai would
that a particular clan of puma relieved from the Property Tax ,
would pay more for assessed .taxes than they had paid far tie
Property Tai, so that it windd lay as an additional bathes.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted, that
in the Husbandry Horses there was a clause which took
away exemption.
Lord MILTON• then observed, that a grater bathe* was
imposed on the poor than ever.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not dusk
they *ere in the situation described by the Noble Lord.
The Hydrometer lidl and the Gaol Fen Bill were forwarded
a stige.
In the Committee of Supply the sum of six millions was voted
for Exchequer Bills, and .e 22,110 for the Royal Canal of Ireland.
—Report on Monday.
in the Committee of Ways and Means Mr. Li:statecraft ob-
tained leave to bring In a Bill, empowering Government to con-
tract for a Lottery.
Sir M.W. RIDLEY deprecated such a mode of raking money,
as highly prejudicial to public motals.—Repon on Monday.
The Farwell Stock Bill went through the Committee.—Re-
port on Monday. '
In the Canuittee on the Acts restive to Salt, several Reseht-
dens were agreed to, and the Report ordered to be received oa
Monday.
In the Committee on the Acts respecting the National Delo,
leave was given to bring in a Bill to amend the said Acts.
The Criminal L,vuatics Bill was read a thirst time mud passed.
Mr. V. Frraoutat.o obtained leave to bring to a kW to con-
tinue the restriction of cash payments by the Bank of Irelgud.
Adjourned at One o'Clock to Monday. . -
A LIST OF THE MINORITY

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THAT VOTZD /OR MA. TILANtY'S MOTION FOR APPLYING TAM
DIGITS OF .1111 CROWN IN AID OF Tilt RICESSRS OF TOR
CIVIL LIST, WILMA PAILLIAMINT IS NOW CALALi ON YC
PROVIDA VOA.
Abercrumby, Hon.'. Grattan, Rt. Ifon:H. Piggott, Sir A. •
Arland, sir Thos. Gordon, R. Pouseuby, Itt.kfon:O.
Akieurpt, Viscount Grenfell, Pascoe rowlat, Hon. W.
Anson, Sir G. Guise, Sir Wni. Prittie, Hen. F. A.
Atherley. A. Grant, J. P. .
H.
Prat, Francis
Anti, William Hawn:aster; H. rower, itleheitl
Barbara, Joseph F. Munition, Lord A. Ramada, J. C.
Baring, Alet. Homer Francui Rancliffe Lord
Baring. Sir I'. liowartl, H.Riditt,•;ir M.W.
Barnard, Viscati& Kees, T. Rosniily, ;Mr iki •
Birch, Joseph Lamb, Hon. W. Rowley, Sir W.
Brand, HID. T. . Lanibton, J. G. Russell, R. G. .
Brougham, Henry Lefevre, C. nhaw Rasidrigh, Win.
Browne, Dom. . Lemon, Sir W. Sefton, Bari of
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Burdett, Sir F. .
P.D.
Lewl., 'I. Franklin Shari., R. .
Burrell, Hon. P.D. Lloyd, J. M. library, Sir John
lluiland, Jos. Lyttleton, Hon. W. Smith, George
BabingtossiThos. laiteucbe, R. jun. Smith, Abel
Barclay, MAO Leckhart,l. Ingram Smith, John
Caktalt. John Long, R. J. Smith, Wm.
H.
Calvert, Charles Lender, W. Smyth, John H. '
Calvert, Vie. itintoehißli J. Stanley, Visc.
Campbell, Hon.'. F. Martin, H. , Sebrigbt, Sir J.
Campbell, Dun. • Martin, John Tavistoci, Marquis
Cavendish. lord O. Milton, Vise. Tierney, Rt.' Hon.
Cavendish, Hon. H. Merck. Sir C. George ..
Cavendish, Hon. C. MOrland, S. B. Townsbrod, Lard J.
Caulfield, Hon. H. Moors, P. .• Tremayne, I. H.
Carew; Rt. S. Mostyn, Sit Thos. Waldrgrave, Hoe.
Chaluurr, Robt. Morpetb, Viec. ' %griming
Cocks, Hun. J. 8: Moult, J. B. Walpelr, Hon. Gen.
Duncannon' Visc. Methuen, Paul , Wharton, John
Duudaa, Charles Neville, Hun. R. Williams. Owen
Dundas, Hon. L. Newport, *J. Wynn,. C. W.
Elliot, Right Hon.W. Nugent, Lord Want, John A.
Edison, Cuthbert Newman, Rt. WM. Wonky, J. S.
Fane, Joins' Osborne, Lord F. Wright, John A. •
Fellosves, W. A. Ossuistou, Lord
Ferguson, Sir R. C. l'araell, Sir Henry %est.'s&
Fairy, Thomas Peirce, H. Frermantle, Wm.
Folkestone, Vise. Philips, George Macdonald, Janus '

THE EVENING STAR..

I4ONDOS.

SATUIEDAY. MAY 25, 1816.
•
PRICE OF STOeKS THIS DAY ATI WELVII OULOCKs •
Reduced 62i—Cons. ma. tisti—lar °pg. 843
4 per Cent.76l 'I7—S per Com 94O—Bands Ss. 41. pr.
Ohl& pay. 411:—Exch. Bab par, 44. pr.

The policy of the etisting laws respecting able
growth- of Tobacco 'and the free eiportation of Wool,
were discussed last night in the House of Commons;
0O both of these some opinioil wire advanced which
are mach at variance with the recognized principles
of politicil economy. Wool, if eiported raw, can
leave no profit bat that of the grower, if exported in
cloth it leaves behind it manufacturer's profit. In
other words, the grower,/ by exporting it raw can de-
rive no future benefit ; but if manufactured the work.
!men must be fed by the other produce of the farmer,
increasing the demand for his corn.—Tobacco, on
, the contrary, not being an article of export, but only
of revenues should be grown at home, that the
profits on its growth may go to our own farmers in
place of those of America. The growers profits
on this article ate far lfeyond. those on torn.—
We remember well the period *hen Tobacco was
sold (,exclusive of the duty) at or tinder two-pence
per pound. The Auserican.war rendered the article
'scarce, and the advance in price that followed sheared
that as an article of Revenue it would bear a high
duty. The American growers seeing the high prices
which thepammaguwill pay,' have since raked the

.. 'Much (Kt 6d. ttlid,in place of, 2J.) that
* polity of prohibiting its growth in,E!tgland may
'*ell be questioned. trhy should a system be pursued
calculated to sendsopech extra prcifietothe American
.;rower, when oar own fluters are in such distress ?-
11 Revenue" is the answer.. - But it ought to be first
ascertained that the revenue could Not be secured on-

borne-grown tobacco—or rather, whether ani 'de-
figication which might follow would not be mme than
compensated to the community by the increased
means which the profits would yield for the con-
sumption of other commodities paying taxes.
On the Report of the Civil List Bill, Mr. TIERNEY
proposed an 4mendruent, which went to preclude
Crowd from coming to Parliament for relief, in
tqe event of future deficiencies, till the Droits of the
Admiralty, its. should first have been applied to
their extinction, but the Amendment wits lost.

• . .
In consequence of the accounts brought to. iaord
IL/MOUTH% office on Thursday night, by a Mapis-
t ate of the County of Cambridge, of a tumultuous
iPsurrection in the Isle of Ely, an express was im-
ciediately sent off with orders for the march of troops
t the scene of tumult from the neighbouring dis-
tricts. Indeed, in tke'Oifice for the Home Depart-
," ppt, at this moment, the most constant and assi-
`iluotw attesuitsts is paid T.-. Lit state of the er:.,rent
districts, especially those dweatened with disturbances.

_ . .
It is to be lamented that in so many places there
should be such cause as now exists for alarms re.
specting riot and insubordination. Yesterday ac-
counts were received of outrages in Norfolk. A
riotous assemblage of nearly 1500 persons had en-
- tered the town of Downham, on Monday, where they
began to plunder and to destroy provisions, but a
troop of Yeomanry arriving, with Magistratesat their
head, the Riot Act was read, ten men and four wo.
men were apprehended, and the rest of the mob dis-
persed. The back of the sword only was used by
ate cavalry, so that happily no lives were lost. Next
day intelligence came that the rioters were peparing
to renew their visit. The inhabitants were armed
under the direction of the Magistrates ;—marched
out, w:th the cavalry, to meet the rioters, who
were also armed ;--and then ensued, what 1--an
agreement, that the latter should have an advance
of wages, and that the persons already taken should
be allowed to return with them to their homes !-.
We hope there is an error in -the statement ; but,
as something of that sort has occurred elsewhere, me
can not let the report of such a compromise pass,
%itSottt saying, that this mode of suppressing tumults
is that, winch of all others is sure to multiply them.
Supposing the complaints of these poor people to be
ever so just—and we arc far from thinking them un-
worthy of notice-;-their cause was rendered a bad one
the, moment they resorted to violence ; and the greatest
dangers which accompanied it, was that of their car-
s rying their point, while they were in arms, or even in
threatening numbers. If right may be obtained by
such tineans, so may wrong ; and the next step from
unlawful means is to unlawful ends. This considera.
lion is so important, although so obvious; that the
technical informality of releasing prisoners bt such 1
mode of discharge, becomes insignificant, in compari.
, son of h. Any concession, if it be but the gift of a
' turnip, made to a body of men unlawfully in arms;
is a matter of danger to society,'and it is not unrea-
sonable to impute this outrage against Downham to
the soccer's of a similar one against Brandon.
o But; on the other band, it acts of violence ought
to beseptessed with promptitude and firmness, we
much doubt if great blame- does not attach to the
' rich and healthy in 6e disturbed districts; for re-
missness, want of foresight; and inattention to the
state of sheir neighbourhood. They cannot pretend
ignorance of the distresses of the labouring classes—
many at them out of employment ; and those who

could get something to do having their wages reduced
to a rate which could not furnish them with bare
sustenance. Is it not the duty of the higher classes
to make extraordinary exertions under the pressure
of eitraordinAry circumstances; that they may
prevent the public peade and private property Irom
being brought into jeopardy ? If they neglect
jllis they become culpable ; for none can be

of the old adage that hunger will eat through
tittle- walls, and it requires no spirit of 'prophecy to
foretei that, without exertions on the part of the
wealthy to ward off the evil by making some extraor-
dinary prOvision for the poor, tumult and confusion
must ensue. The man who can persuade himself to
believe that the cravings of hunger may be appeased
with exhortations to patience and learned dissertations
on the sacred nature of priiate property, in place of
bread, is qualified for any thing but the care of the
public peace. IF would be the height of folly
were the higher ranks, at this moment, to shut
' their eyes to the danger with which they are
threatened. It is of the utmost importance that riots
be suppressetwith vigour wherever they may break
out ; but it is of equal importance that measures be
instantly adopted to prevent • riots where the public
quiet has not yet been disturbed, and to provide
against their recurrence where it has already hap-
pened. Let not the old saying be verified on the
present occasion-4i What is every person's business
is nobody's." If you shall continue to shut your eyes
to the danger that threatens the public peace and
safety, it will neither afford you consolation nor re.
dress to be able afterwards to punish the lawless for
injury sustained by your propfr4l

THE 4Rmr.

•
! •-'• 1 •
His Royal Highness the Duke of GLOUCESTZR and
his' Serene Highness Prince LEOPiLD. are appointed ,
Field Marshals, and. will heir:vita this night. And'
in this nisdit's Getzett: there will also appear the fol-
lowing apvintments :—LientenaLt•General Sir L.
C•as.E, G.C.B. to b.:. .Colonel of the 31. th, vice S:r
LYRE Caere, G.C.13.;. Major-General • Sir G.
Wataten, K C.B. to be Co!onel of the 70th, vice Sir
Lowar Omit. "rip, Rfgiment of De Menton, lstelr
held by Sir G.. 1. to be reduced. • •!
Yesterday the d:shird:ni„o. of the Veteran Battalions
corn -14.oced at Plymouth, Portctnouth, Deptford,
Ch.ttliam, Harwich, and Cork.. The men ate to ha
forwarded, al speedily as possible, to pass the Board
at Chelsea. _ _ _

A-detachment of the 80th Regiment arrived year
tetchy at liarwicli, to supply the place of the 241
Veteran Bittalion.

A detaclment of the 69'h Regiment marched iato
Yarmouth yesterday to do the garrison duty.
The West Kent Militia has arrived at Maidstone,.
from Ireland, to be dis.z.mbodied.
14,)nday 300 of the 72d Regiment embarked at
Chock rm, for Sheerness, to replace the 7th Veteran
liAttalion, ordered to the Tower to be disbanded. •
• Two squadrons of the First or King's Dragoon
1 Guards, and the 47th Regiment of Foot matched
[into the barracks in Colchester on Wednesday last.

NAVAL ItiTBLLIGENCIL

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Dubft

MAII.B
• ass. sic.
• I I

DAY.

- • AIM. DM
1.1411 a - . - 0 0

Waterford , s 0 ' Cadiz .- - 0 0
Guernsey and hew/ 1 0 Rambo." •-' - 0 1
Holland . . 0 0 Clottenburgb •.0 0 1
France . • 0 1 Jamaica - - - 0 0
Flanders - . 0 0 Surinam - - - 0 0

• FALMOUTH, MAY ft&
•. Arrived the French sloop Deux Freres, Lwaora,
from Morlaix ; and the Lloyd, &minx, from Exa-
ter.—Sailed his Majesty's ship JASPER on a cruixe,--
The following vessels arrived off this port yesterday,
and sailed for London: the Mary, PINDAR, tram
Trinidad ; Ann, —, from Tobago ; and the Rotel
HERBear, from Chester.—Wind N. N. E.

PLYMOUTH, MAY 24.
Came in the lisaoN sloop of war, from a Mkt ;
and thc,Goud Intent, BLUSDALL, from Bristol, bound
to Guerssacy.—Wind E.
• POR'CSMOUTH, MAY 23.
Arrived. his M.ijesty's ship SpaititowuAvvic, from
a critize.—zSailed his Majesty's ship SCASIANDER, fey
the West Indies; his Majesty's ships GittCIAN and
I.aaNs:, for a crnize; and Ellison, STEWARD, for Si.
John's.—Wind S.E.
DEAL, MAY 24.
Arrived the Atlantic, SPINKE, from Marseilles,
bnumi to London, and rernAns; also remAinc, thy!
rsfdtinr, fttr Ole Sonth SeAas, Waiting
dispitcl es which she has to carry.—Wild N.
HARWlaii, MAY 2%

Sailed the Lnrd Nelv,i, packet; for Cuxhaven,
with a Mail.—Wind E.

GRAVESEND. MAY 24.

SAiled the Britar.ni.., BUCIIY, for Caeiz; Dilizente,
Euxi, fir RAtterdam; P-rgo, Z--;TONEHOV3E, forH.4in -
burgh ; litrcules, R.uss:ELL, for dim). Arrived v.':
Iris, REED ; and Industry, Core, from Limburg!, ;
and Hannah, PA111101:, from Autwerp.
CUS t'ol4-110UsE, MAT 24.

Sun's ENTIRE!) OUTWAID.—AI,rt, I. fat ‘Douzall, for Its -n.
burgh; Three Friends, Wm. Brown, for Marr_illea, Genoa, a.: 1
Leghorn; 'twee Gebroeders, Jan Vdtl Diiin, for Anshternaiu ;
Matilda, Wm. Cumming, for Cadiz; Industrie, Pierre Ave,
for Dunkirk; lbbetsons, dna. Landds,. for Flamburgh ; Julian,„
David Ogilvie, for Batavia, Princ of Wales Wand, Bombay,
Fort St. George, and Fort William; Britannia, H. Strabach, fur
Ostend; • Flora, Thomas Cullen, for Hamburg; Triton, Quist.
Glerow, for Cartshant, Carliscroni, and Riga.—loth May, fur
Cat thaw and Carlscrona only.

The pen, Nesom, from I.ondon to Newcastle, run on shrrs
near Lowestoffe, but war gut off with hiss of an anchor a:.41
cable, and put into Harwich yesterday.
The Collingswood, Hall, from Tr1a0.34 to Port Glasgow, is Mb
shore in the Sound of Ceigha. A vessel has sailed troy Canipb.t-
tow'n to her asiistanee.
The ship Clio, from Liverfinol to Boston, was spoke 10th inst.
in tat. 46. 22. lung. SO. 25. =by the Minerva, SketchleY, arrived :4t
Liverpool, which also spoke on the 14th, in lat. 48.86. long 3,
a British sbip from Newcastle to Miramiehl ; and 16th, tilt Ca,
Clear, the John, Campbell, from Savannah to 1.iv...rp001.
lite British ship Vestal, Hutchinson, from Liverpool to VI:-
ginla, waispolte Mardi sc4, Lit. 40. 80.1nng. 3,. on,' SO days. b#
the Mary and Susan, Curti', trent Liverpool, arrived at Clualestu.r.

The Susan, from Virginia to London, run tin ri6oro.l9lb 61
on the Shivering Sand, but was got off without much slaraai,e,
and carried into Nevr-Yutk the %IV'.

Yesteday morning her MAJEVTY and the PHI N.
casts took an airing by 134ttersea, and returned ri
the Palace to dinner. lu the evening the QUEEN :iAt
.L
a select party.
Thursday the Princess CHARLOTTE and Princ4
LcoroLD had their first. dinner patty, at. Camleforti,
House, which was honoured with the pi escnce of (C.o.`
PRINCE REGENT. His Royal Highness was recent:A.
at the door by Prince LEopot.n, who conductva liTtrt
to the Drawing.raoin, at the cntraaceot which he sv.'.l
received by his affectionate daughter. The die
This most sumptuous, and consisted of every rar.:.:
.
and delicacy of the season.

The Friends of the Purity of Election dined t.):
getter, on Thursday, at Freemason's Tavern, • •
commemorate the fah Anniversa,y of the return n!
Sir FKANms Butintarr, for al.! City cf Westatin-t.
Sir Faaacts, Lord COCIIRANE, Mr. CURWEN, &Co ! n ,
verally addressed the Meeting, recommendons
great principle of Parliamentary Reform, as the o:1:-
hope that remained for the salvation of the count:
CLINOINO TO PLACE.—it was wittily ohierved •
an Honourable Gentleman, that certain parties r
stick to their places ski' long, as they could ra6.: •.
Bank token and niusief a corporal's guard. In i!.••
tenacity of sticking to place, the parties meant by
Gentleman, are not singular ; many efforts v..t. r.
made on Wednesday last by a person in Office.
dislodge certain parties front their places, but nit 1•:
vain—we mean the efforts of the blue-coat boy ro
draw forth the Two Prizes of £30,000 from c•t, ,
Wheel of Fortune ; but there they t 1 stick, and mrt,
till next Thursday', when, as the Lottery will tin -r.
on that day, further efforts to resist his B/vero.ss
will be vain. Should one of them be the Ftr/t
drawn Prize above relooo, it will double its amcittr,
and entitle the Fortunate Holder to no 'less ti'...
Tliree•seore Thoutand Pounds
The annual running matches took place on Monday. at •
Wlttes Lees, in Kew, for £lO each. The sr.t was .vu./ t .
&olden, of Facevern; the second by HalMah Annoy
wail easily, sad tbi ruanins 4ia, Jed but little Ism.