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1111-10. a division on.certain subjects.—(Hein; hear.) 1
'd by an eloquent man, that a rebellion
ofithathiftranbeellLso3ridi s of the Bedchamber was of greater
r than one of thirteen Colon
teno t° a Min .te
occasion perhaps it would be Colonies
found
o
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the mint
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n Nos for the Minister himself, tt left to his own
daor.
.. ,A meddle with certain places. He had
boom. •-_. .
~,a c aller;►'nee it was true, off three very oleic
'Wins— a 2)liine) into the nature p
ftwodss, to elan . offices o
ir Awn conoections--offices into which they could
not o,k with a very. pey.iugd edye.—(llear, hear.)
The Home shout 0 understand etrhstano
dos point, and if they.
Tro meant tocher si 1 goi -ts ill of the People,
601„ representtaryiebs.t
Nobleet ouglit. to be, they would
AA the Muti.ot: ocnis
tr friend, and fulfil the
Tor BlIsN(AN1s;G; referredr the hear.)
Noble; who had
•
spy' en to his Noble Friend, the mover of the pre-
he '
0 quesiion, for information as to the tact, that
/Imo of the Treasury could act as lionotirahly as
biestifon a public question—(hear. hear.) On the
subjeci•ot the late Committee, of which he 4 Lord
Bindlog) was a member, he had to call for the pa-
tr id the dunce until they had had time to ina-
i
ore a .
at I inquiry—(Hear, hear); at the ~ mile time,
fly concurring in the sentiotents of the llonourable
conic/no opposite, that retrenchment should be ac-
ei Eon to the fullest Cut nt. It had been echoed
w Gentlemen opposite, • that Government stood
fend to a system of retrenchment. It now ao-
id, that as soon as they were ! nifesting -a dis-
r i°ion to calry their intentions iiit ino
effect, toe Gen-
n opposite immeliately clianp,ed their note, and
declated that 3c/en:meta could roil be
,yd,—(sew, hear.) They commence then with
Mining their cz.nlidence to Government, embarked
is Administration- is in the principle of economy.—
(:lan hear, *ear I from the Utz/wiling Beausee.)—
The test& of the labours of the Committee would,
fat ins convince at least nine out of ten of • the
public of the sincerity of the views of Government
inthis respect. The Noble Lord then proceeded to
skew the anxiety which they manifested on this occa-
sion, by statics that the Treasory were anxious to
have the ltultial commenced with 1793, though the
con3missomeripreferred it from 1798, the latter time
embrocing the most important recent-officer, to which
ailention was called. Had they not pursued this
view ofthe case, the Gentlemen opposite would have
come Jaya with their host of objections as to the re-
spite pedociat which the inquiry was undertaken.—
ne denied that the appointment of the Committee
ark" the Treasury Minute was suggested By the
Nettle Lord's notice of a motion : op tie contrary,
lung before this evect„ such an inquiry was set on
(044, and the Committee was arpointed merely to ac-
ciente it. That inquiry was not confined to mete
deb in office, but extended to higher and more im-
portant s'totati,zs-(tlear, , hear )—He had not Ro-
man rico enough to feel lightly on the imperative
duty of depriving. men of emoluments which they
vetch, the habit of receiving. Me: Burke well said;;
" that antimony savours :nod) of unkindness, and
thstevcry reduction amounts in its extent to a pro-
portionate degree of punishment."— (Hear)—Bqt he
file it his doty, as a member of the Committee ap-'
p ioted, to proceed, without favour, to the dUchine
tit his duty, and he firmly hoped, that the result of
tilt labours would shew that they had seriotody at
hurt the true feeling of the country.
Mr. DROUGHAM observed, that Whis first opi.
sin on the propriety of his Noble Friend's motion
ad been ( which it teas not), in auy manner doubt!.
,4,,e sotech of the NObie Loud who had Just sat
an would have confirmed that opinion, and eon:t-
atty turned the scale of his indecision. The Noble
d had commenced by asking -shether Ministers,
• . stood form shy iis dged for 'retrenchment, were
be ruistrotted? To llos he (Mr. Brougham), had
reply, that true they had given pledges, which
e never redeemed, they had given promises, which
ere meet performed—they had committed their re.
• sibility ; but what had they done in the execution
their trust ?—He denied, noto.ithstanding all that
been said of retrenchment, throughout the whole
iftbis Session there had bean the slightest disposi-
lift manifested on the part of his Majeoy's.Ministers
*effect such a desirable object, in any one branch of
&public service.—( Cries of Thar, from the Ministerial
*ha )—Upen that issue le would .put the clues-
tiro; for upon looking at the papers on the table of
the House, so far was he from tinting that there was
a diminution of officers and salaries, he found that
thee tras, on the contrary, an increase of 81 86.900
ladled upon the public. • Such was the result of
pledges which had been given ; and this. too, after
tieing credit for certain diminutions, which for shew.
Itaot for substance, had taken place. The total
imam was £200,009 for which, with a view to his ,
!pant, he contended he had a right to take credit..
lbe, at a time when the country was at profound'
Pt*, £136,000 had been added to the permanent
non' expenses of the country. Its the previous year
' increased expense amounted to 41G0,000, and in ,I
thisyoy every year produced an. enormous addition '
TUltsalaries and emoluments of offices, while, on
uleoth er side, nothing in the shape of retrenchment
was In be discovered.
It was true that retrench:
'ln was talked of, and merit assumed for a ilimi.
' of public expenses ; but of what did this
41 consist ? One item of diminution em.
apless a suns than 830,000. Where did this'
4 why, in a department in which, under the
rcurnstances of
of
ftbt
ble a shadow
naming country, it was utterly impos.
pretence could have existed tOr
the expense which had been curtnled:—.l
e alluded to the department of the Master of the
°gl!, its which, in the year before last, it would be
ev°llectedo considerable disbursements arose front
vitits of certain Illustrious Sovereigns to this
theit"l3ll,
.7'. There was no longer the same excuse for
;___nacnarsesnents, and yet his Majesty's Ministers,
otherl7,,lt.. things, placed this deduction as an item
12152Intalt the increase of 4200,000 to which he
'4„.44:4 utted--(Heor, hear.) Under timilar circum-
various other diminutions had taken place,
IV/ bein fact,
din I go in no pretence to continue-the
ge upon the public. He would not fatigue the ,
t_date by a detail of the increases which had taken
!Evil. but would select one or two instances by way
..llstratson. The first which presented itself to his
—Was the department of the Commissary. In
...,„"liaartineritit might rationally be supposed at the
"K4slnn of the war thkt great and extensive curtail-
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fro& a • eteertise helms O'brierietble t there bad bliell
an adtnal increa‘ Of 41.5s900,Per:anPume—(leer. '
The same observation was to,beinade with regard or
the deparnient of the' Master-beneral of ilk Ord.
nance. Here there Was an increase of Officers .and
emoluMents, Withntit any `.astisfactori reason. being
assigned. In the Customs, there had been the enor- •
mous increUse of 134 new officers, With ass expense
of £137,000. •It would, no doubt; be said, tkiat
even in this department there hail been :some diminu-
tions—but even allowing for theter.there was still a,
balance of. 110 new officers created, and a salary of
£GO,UOO, all which had taken place in the cnotse
of the . last year, and,whieh.yet remained.to bee.s
plained. This explanation, he submitted, could only
be satisfactorily given in a Select Committee 'of tbe,
House. In the Excise, there was an increase-of-four
officers, with no Jiminiftion in s ,laries, but. on the
contrary. with an increase of £E24,0i?0, The kin-
nourable and Learned Gent!emin next referred to
the Mint, in which, notyllthsuindink.all that n had,
been said of the ineffectual labours of this depart 7
ment, an increase of officers and salaries had also
taken place. He selected those from many others
by way of sample—and, with these facts before them,
he Would ask the House whether there wa,s not just,
ground to doubtthedisposition id Itrinizters to varench?
Ile begged here to state, that he was inclined to
withdralv his confidence irons his Majeity's,.l4ini-
sters, not because lie doubted their power to retrench,
but because he doubted their inclination I. and he-
cause he had this doubt it was that he should Sup-
port the mnt:on of his Noble Friend. There Men
several other beads of expenditure not leis important'
than those whrch he had mentioned, and in which, in

his view, an unjustifiable increase had taken place.-
He alluded particularly to the I3oard of Works..
Here there were not alone an adehtion mace to the
salaries of officers already in existence, but officers
which before had never been thought of were intro-
duced. Of this description was the Surveyor Gene-
ral of Works, at a salary of £lsoo.—attached '
tests, as they were termed, at a similar salarpe-and
twelve labourers in. trust, at an expense of re1200:so-:.
year. These were all perfectly new officers—and
their appointment, .he contended, furnished addie
tionA arguments for a rigorous scrutiny, whico_could ,
alone prove satisfactory to the public. (Hear.) • Ja-
dependent rt these minute items, however, there were,
other sources of expense into which. he conceived, it
tvellbecame the House to inquire, in order ti .tt ii might
be ascertained whether the salariesof persons of higher
station in she country might.ont be Armin's:red- for
retrenchment among these persons ha had looked in
vain. The Honourable and ..eatned Gentlem.fat then
Adverted to the offices of the Lay Lords. of the Ael-
miralty, as they. are called, the Lords of the Trea-
.sirry, and the Board of Controul, many of which. he
observed, were totally useless. He decidedly thought
the pruning knife should be applied to such sinecures.
They exhausted. the finance of .the cOontry without
doing it one single .service. If the negociations which
the Noble Lord so highly extolled were
.woith even
the price of the paper, ph which -they. were written—if
the victories achieved by our defenders were worth
the money .employed in their celebration, then we
were certainly now in a ate. of protound reposei in
whiCh all clamour,* isinewaties•was hushed, and we.
had.certaioly„ if the Noble Lord was to be accredited,
no enemy to dread, no quarter from which we could
possibly dread Any attack. ,04 Then, in the name of
GOD ! kit us, as honest men. chew ourselves not so
much the guardians of the public purse .as the guar-
.dians Of the ceestitutional rights of our countrymen,
and thus, during the prorogation of Parliament, we
will be enabted. manfully to. meet our ..canstituturta
with the solid heartfelt-iatittactioo.. thatta. Ilviliesvn-
tatives of the people of England, and•as upright men,
we had done cur dirty.'"=(Hear, hear). • •
•Mr. ROBINSON said, that the speech of the lio-
tiomaille and Learned Gentleman throughout WAS a
complete fallacy, inasmuch-as it had been founded
upon papers which.relerred tourrangements made ip
the last year, at a time of war, and which were in no
respect illustrative of the state of the public depart-
ments as they existed in the present day. The Right.
Hon. Gentleman then' proceeded to detail many of
the diminutions which had taken place in the course
of the present year .in the offices of Government.—
With -respect to the Officers alluded to by the Melia.
Gentleman, as having been appointed under the
Board of Works, he observed, that their appoint-
ments were sanctioned by an Act of that House two
years back, after a full explanation and discussion.—
'The Right Hon. Gentleman then went on to contend
that the duties of the Lay Lords of , the Admiralty,'
the' Junior Lords of the Treatary,7 and the Members
of the Board of Control, were arduous and effective,
and by no Means sinecures, as the lion. and Learned
Gentleman. had insinuated.

Mr. LAMB wee decidedly, of opinion that the 410-
tion of lilt Noble Friend deemed the support.of the
House. That there was ground for inquiry, no matt
could possibly doubt, who was atull.acquainted with
the preient state of public affairs. That -inquiry 12
certainly- thought could not be better conducted than
by a Committee specially. instructed by .the House..
He had the greatest possible respect for the Lords of
the Treasury;. but he- could not approve of any in.
qUirysbeing carried on under their immediate super-
intendence. The matter at issue was not whether
this House should, in appointing this Committee,
lithwart the design for-which.the Treasury Committee
bad beeneppointed. He saw nothing to prevent the
two Committees being bot% carried on together:. He
disliked the technical arguments of-the Chancellor Of
the Exchequer—that the Session ,was-now too far ad-
vanced, and that Committees weft' tedious. ..Such
arguments were ill adapted. to the present state of
the feelings of the people of England. The question
eras not the tediousness of Committeetv but it was
simply this—,, Shall we, the Representatives of. the
People of England, now shew ourselves really dis-
posed. to attend to the sufferings of that people ?
Shall we thew them we are ready to do whet we
profess, and disposed to redeem those pledgefi ere
have so often given them r'- .(Hear, hear, hear.)—
When he spoke of pledges he meant not to alludo tO
the formal studied Speech from the. Throne, or to
the Address, which was, as usuals,i mere echo of the,
Speech. But he alluded, to the pledges the House
had given by the abolition Of the Property Tax,-and
by the consequent doviulal of the Malt.'fax--two,of
the most oppressive, iniquitous,. anktyrannic4l bur-:
eobwith which a tree nation had. Grp. I,ein insulted.
(Cheer:.) But what availest.all the independent ex-

tlta Ronne Foe Whai itirpose iiii :so
isifee'done Men the Home 'at ante cot
roil lilliffsfers.ll:ercirnte of aH tatatioo, attcgalrii
hern'not even empty hopes ? (Hear:). But rte "ge
Ouch afraid the principll (+yet Or too matii Was t*
gam a nth popularity,' wlile delusive hopes. wire.
-held ottt to the country. We had indeed.rid one;
*glees of two galling to rations, but what availectsucH
relief when, unless we cut off the principle,of
'tin, Ministers would i :Tose taxes equally,.
more oppressive • (amt.) he* bepoked aspire
the Noble Lord, the country ‘as at present in A Vert:
siisrharrassed' situation. We had had.a extraorf
dihary* war, and that War had lacep followei'ly. a
peace eq'isally extraordinary. He did not vtoii3i3; at
the embarrassment arising from the war, wlizn it was
considercd.that the Country bad endured years ok co:17
vulsion which bad sliaketrthropes to their centre; acid
had shat(ered
.lystems. of finance by putting them
through the fiery ordial.of bankruptcy. Our country
had stood like a rock amid these awful convulsions of
nature 8. and though she had been strongly is-sailed by
the dorm, slie had.hltherto withstood the But

novil she &mantled from us st,thething to In done.—
she looketrop with confidence io•the enlightened ge-
nius cifleirliament, and loudly hopped to see tlie.taa-
divided etiergiis of that Hotise employed in her Mid.",
Lc was 'consolatory to Ischout the nsanly independent
spirit of oar eousKrynnea amid the awful pressure of
circumstances, the readiness with Which ell classes

contributed to each others regiet, and their lorbtar.

done to complain-qt./ern., Lai-, hear.) Tie 2y had an
emmtesti .nable right not on 4 to expect, but to de-
mand aid from l'arli.inient. He was sorry to say,
that since he had the honour of being returned to the
House, he had witnessed the utmost apathy on the
part of Ministers to afford relief to the country—
( Hear ) An apathy which certainly in no degree
corresponded with the immense *sacrifices the country
had made. But though the voice of the people was
at present calm, though they maintained a solemn
stillness, he implored Ministers not to be deceived:
h was certainly right that matters of economy should
begin with the Executive Government, as from their
situation they were naturally supposed to be best qua-
lified to decide what should or should not be adOpted.
' But though this was the duty of Ministers, it did not
follow as a Matter of course that they were anxious
to discharge that duty. He Was afraid the country
was indispensiblY called to be jealous of Ministers, to
distrust their measures, and to place no confidence
whatever in'any thing they suggested—(llear, /secy..)
The people of England had a right, en unquestion-
able right, to demand that Ministers should do their
dotY—(Hear.) Reform, it at all effefted; was only
to be &meta, that House. 'lf retrytichmenis were ta
be carried into effect, he was afraid Ministers were
not qualified to do so. It required meri Of more ta.
Itnts, men of more firmness and independence
mind than he .beliered them to be—(Heir, /Iry
would say more, for he believed, that let Idtais-
ters make all the rettencliments they possibly coulfl,
it was impossible.'a single proceeding of theirN could'
give the smallerit satisfaCtion
too
the people 6f F.og-
land. The country knew too well, and had alfeady
bad too sad, experience of the line of 'policy adopted
by',Midisters, and of the tniaLiv,7i Whieliactuated,them,
to eepeet any iidletiatitin front , single meaiitreithicly
they proposed, The very fact of the retrenchment
being proposed by" Ministers, was of itself* etiongh to
make it suspicious--(Rior, bear)—Nor had he formed
this opinion on alight kronnds. When be Coas;dered
.the proposal Ministersitad made' for a continuation Of
the Income 'Vu, from which they had been driven
by the enlightested,ezertimis of the people—when be
cousidered the manna: in which they had produCed
the estimates, be no hes itafion in saying they hid
loaded themselves with the reproaches of the coun-
try7-Sliear,,,,hear).--.-Their cianduct 'had given too
touch calcitic to the ;anguage act Opted Or so gene-
rally through the country, viz. that it wai best to
withhold all money from Ministers, and' they would
then become very goo-damn; He was sorry such lan-
guage should be used SbutMinistersotily wemtobla me.
By a blind neglect of or contempt fur the voice of the
people, they had awakened an alarming jealousy
avast their measures which predicted awful cause-
spiences..:lhey had foifeited the claims of confidence
they might formerly have had, and thus made the
interests of the people and Ministers separtite from'
each other. He knew, as well its the Noble I.ord
possibly could, the consequences a being niggardly,
and lie detested as much as his Lordship the idea of
.being so. But let the tlatile Lord remember, that
'the people had not been niggardly in the sacrifices
they bad made. Let him remember, they had bane
with patience burdens unparalleled, in the history of
'oar country i and that it was no
.more than just to
'give them a respite. Ministers might probably thus
:acquire some respect with the people, which, he wail
• sorry to say, their present measures bad completely
forfeited. • •
r Lord CASTLEREAGH had listened with atten
tion.and even satisfaction to the admirable speech of
the Honourable Gentleman, who had .just sat &tyke.
Indeed, upon all occasions hewas much gratified with
the talents and ingenuity of the Honourable Gentle-
man. He ,concurred with him. in the genexaLPfill:,'
ciple he 'had ,laid down, and certainly thought
no administration entitled to the respect or cool
dence of the country, which did not. zealciusly pur-
ple a system of economy founded on rational grounds
and agreeable to the genius of the constitution.
There was a feeling implanted in, the breasts of the
people of this, country, .which led them to-expect the.
most rigid attention on the part of Ministers to shc 11-•
a rational well-founded system, and 0E404 WARY,
.Ministers scorned the voice of the people, oe:irm..itt-,
attentive to the calls for economy, their polair4ol
istence deserved to be short-aved, He, ,hOWnte
drew a different conclusion from the prepig&W,
down by the Honourable Gentleman, as be cetainlly‘
thought the people of this country knew their
too well to be. induced to become the: adliesen , 4
any party wko clarnoured against Ministers.-{,
, :aid a, /avh).-,.The. people knew that Mini4era ad
1 marital them through difficulties unparallelediq great-flees and extent, and he trusted the country would
never solar forget its interests as deny its confidence
to. those .who bad so successfully advocated their came.
If the' Honourable Gentleman, however, thought
those around him, better entided to,Ftublic confidence
than the present Ministers,' let.him bring that tide to
the test, hit him leave the public to decide in tilt
too riA candid manner. •Of 'theresiilt of that
he had ao doubt, but he deprecated the Attempt to

cover blinisteretvith cctatempt. Independent of the
voice of the people", hee-wOuld never cease to advise the
CroWn in the mannitifie'thoteht most likely to pro.
mote erieril good, and to secure the permanent inte.
rests of the empire. The case before the House was
divided into two questions peilectly distinct—the one
relating to the patronage-and influence of. the Como ;
the Miter to the reduction of the public eepense.—.
After complimenting the in6deration of the Noble
Lord who had brought fortiard the Motion, he el.
pi...m(l his regret that the Noble Lord had given hia
countenance to the dt:lision attempted to be practised
on die Country, as comprehended in the assertion,
that di etmlst that could be dons in the .Way of
economy could affeed any practical relief to what
were called the stfirerings of the country. Witb re.
speet to the patronage of the Crown, the way in
tels:ch it had been considered lorthat House in the

,1111'wh.ch had originated in an Hon. Genthwan on
the'bancli below was, nat that it was excessive,

that illeprinciple of active service, rather than that
sirwcare, ought in belnduced into it. Such was
the'reibtrded'opinion of that House in the Resolutions
after much discussion, were entered on their
•Jpurnals. If the Noble Lord thought that the is 1.
ence•ol. the Crown, had increased to a degree darge.
rots td the libeities of the eosin* let hint bring the
principle under the 'cOnsideration of Parliament ; but
let him potion the pretext of economy, strike at rho
legitimate influence of the Crown as it existed in the
Constiention-, 'end as it had always been sanctioned
by Parliament. On the question as to the course
which Parliament ought to take With respect to the
revision of the ofliccs either of old or of new creation,
he concurred in the argument of his Ho:iourable
Friend, that it it were meant to do this well and
.quickly, Parliament ought not to Lile upon itself, in
• the first instance, the functions of the Executive Go.

vernment. It was contrary to commone sense to take
the business in the first instance out of the hands of
those who must necessarily he the le st informed with
respett to it, and to throw it, with all its crudities,
into the bands of those who could not he Acquainted
with the interior organization of all 'hose offices
on which they were to be called upon te prenounce.
His Honourable Friend had by no means coritended,
that Perliement opght at no time te go into an in-
quiry on thirsubject i alt that he had contended was,
that they were not the moat competent to originate
rich ateintleiry. . However the Gentlemen opposite
migght run creee with thevernmene on this subject,
it they. were in potver, they c.,uld not pretend to do
it in a Ceinimittee of that House. This was so' ob-
*ions, that it was only necessary to state it. All he
required was, that the responsibility should be. left
the first instance where it ought to.he. telt. namely, in
the hands of thettitecutive officers of Government.
If the. teasening of the Honourable and Leained
Gentlens should thid the'House to feel a want of
,c en4dence inbit'nejesty'e'Minieters, the best ceurse
they c..ukl take would' be' to remove three Ministers,
' but not to net towards them id *a way that must e
esineile the sereice. prOksted against the
lieshanition of the lierienrable and Learned Gentle.
man, that his M.ejesty's Ministers had done Shy thing
justly to forfeit the Confidence of the conntry. It
ought to: belto distnialificaticd of them, that, after
'haviiii.olleverthe reunify of 4even millions. they
'had advised' Perliament toCoptinue a productive tee,
notisermanentlye 'hut 'for two years, to sustain 'the
cred4'df the eerie:Ty, and by that means the more
effectually to diminish the pressure on all cheees..e.
Nor did the mode in which the Army Estimates had
been submitted to the House; or the manner and ex-
tent of 'the reductions, which their sense of the public •
service warranted, justly subject Ministers to the loss
of the public confidence:. Until the actual settlement
of peace, it would hot hake been prudent or wise to
commence the reductions of the military establish-
ments, although those ef the Navy were begun front
the moment of the victory of Waterloo. The mili.
tary reductions, however, .when they were cern.
menced, proceeded as rapidly as was consistent with
the true interests of the country. In one week, after
'the rathicstiup of the Treaty by France, the expesie
ditnre had been reduced from So to 30 Millions. It
had next been a matter of reproach to Ministers, that
in the course of the discussions in that House, they
had disclosed to Parliament all tfie reductions Which
they lied intended, although they were not described
in the first instance. Without diminisliine the credit
due to the activity of the Holeureble Grielernaft
opposite, he in conscience believed that the vent mass
of the reductions which had taken place in the Esti-
mates, would have occurred without the 'display eif
that activity. In fact Peiliaentint had coiocided in
the yiew taken ,by Ministers of the subject, for not et
man of tore original number proposed was detailed,
altheigh 'in the enlace details which there had not
been sufficient. One consider in, the first instance,
and on. some-of whit.); Government had not come to
a concinsiice opinion, piddifitations hadeakeu place.
It aJ,been diitinetly declared,' when the eittinates
Were originally
spresented; that they were" not
d'elftir thO'Whole jean Government *eminent:zee.
louste employed ip the ectiee,eeview of thoshefepeite
mentsof the.puhlic .iervice,, in which reduction of
thipidelic hippest.. could he: 'effected ; but chit was -0
!abhor. whi'ith freen,itSiviture, and from the situation
of effeirs'ai the clese aehieg War.,:thiictuld not
be of short datetion..... Nis demo of diligence would„
hoWever, he;. wanting rip
..tlo4jeet: . would he
dilibeatly puretted„briss trleiseityll.tigittisters, tinder
the eiecere .and strong iespression that theYWould,
, and that they &reit to lise ;hi, confidence of the
ceuetsye eunless• they introdaed the utmost practi-
econqmy :kite the, pUbliC ',eererice. But they
ildneverruu arace of public ecoritimywith the Ho.
,oautebte Gentlemen opposite, et the risk of sacrificing
eFeeniblil interests. Tile: would, never endeavour
1.40 gam the public. favour by.any other means than
elanee which, as they hid carried the country through
the dangers, of war; would; his ,trusted, 'entry it
'through be diffitul ties of peace. •e- • e't
Mr. TtERNEY deduct!, that he conia not re-
frain (tem. expressing his hearty indignation at the
`Most eXtratirdinary speech which-had jest' hien. made
by the Noble Lord. If lie: (Mr. Tierney) had ever
seen'e sense of .danger marked by the assamption of
a loud tone—eit he ;had ever seen an attempt, by the
',affectation of a sun.; to hide reed tlegiadicem—if he
had ever seen a inan-eitdeevouriug to leek tail by
running.about on ,tilts--if he had ever seen A Minis.
ter, conectous that he waS repidly sinking in public
•Iskion. he had witneteed eleese sights thet
(Hear, haer.)—The Nobb had escueed

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