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Lamb meant to state, that the Grunsi_Jug svoald not
esamine Mr. Derbyshire?
Mr. LAMB said, he had not stated that any evi:
dente had heen refused. •
Mr. C. HUTCHINSOIT (Wended Sir R. Wilson

from what be thought was misconception, on the
Fart of the Member for Marlow. Ile wished to know
sf Ministers intended to extend the Itill to Ireland ?
Mr. GRANT answered in the affirmative. •
Mr. .HUTCHINSON centinued—Had not the
Noble Lord praised the tranquil state of Ireland ; and
had he, by. such a proceeding meant to dupe
.the
soventy Irish Members who 'had voted with him?
In the fifth year of profound reace,•the House was
called on for a largo increase of the military force—
(Much coughing). If he was endeavoured to be put
do a, he should lengtLen his speech tenfold—(Hear).
'Mc Government ot Ireland had wished the People
to draw the sword, that they might throw away the
szabbard; and similar measures were now taking in
this Country. But she had not owed her safety to
this Country, but to herself, and to the folly of that
ialividual v. ho had roused all the population against
himself. The policy of England wag reprobated all!
over Europe. Unless the affections of the People
should be conciliated, Bills of pains and penalties
wouldhe new:ailing. •
Mr. BARHAM could not admit, that the national
characterof England was at all degraded ; and an
Englishman mast be very unreasonable indeed who
should not be satisfied with the estimation in which
the national character was held in every part of Eu-
rope. He had no doubt of the illegality of the Man-
chester Meeting ; and at the same time had been of
opinion, that the first step en the part of the House
•
would have been inquiry. He could not think that
Parliament had fallen into contempt with the People.
He should not oppose the measure if limited to five
years, and confined to the disaffected districts; and
would not oppose its extension to other districts to
which the disaffection might extend. Parliament
spoke the sense of the People upon all important

questions.
Mr. El UTCHINSQN, begged to state, that he never
did say that the national character of Englishmen
had become degraded on the Continent—(Hear)—but
that the policy of the Cabinet of England was not
only regarded, in a degraded light to what it was
wont to be, but was held in execration by every well-
informed mind—(Hear).
Mr. JAMES KNOX supported the motion.
Mr. JOHN SMITH said, be rose principally for
the purpose of malting a few remarks on the reports
which had, during the last week, been circulated
which, from their alarming. nature, had been produc-
tive of the most prejudicial effects on the country,
and on our relations with foreign nations. He al-
luded to the statements which had been promulgated
by persons of high rank and consideration, that
these were one hundred thousand men in arms, or
who had arms secreted, on the banks of the Tyne and
Weir. This story, he asserted, was not true--(Hear).
In tracing the course of these rivers, it would be ,
fimind that they were confined to the Counties of
Northumberland, Cumberland, an 4 Durham. Cu-
riosity had led him to refer to the Returns of 1812,
of the population of these Counties, which in that
year amountedth 480,000, and admitting an increase
of 70,000 since then, it would appear. upon a fair
estimation, that there could not be more than 100,000
Men capable of bearing arms in the three Counties.
This, it was to be observed, included all, even to the
Clergymea—( Hear, hear).—He would not have
dwelt upon this subject, but he thought it was his
duty to put the House on its guard against a repeti-
tion of such reports; for he had no- doubt similar
stories would be revived; but he begged the House,
should it be stated next week that 20,000 men had
risen in Rullandshire, or 50,000 in Bedfordshire,
would pause before it gave it implicit credence, from
whatever quarter it should happen to come. The
Honourable Gentleman concluded by observing, that
the effect of these reports was severely felt on the
Funds. The Funds had fallen last Saturday, and a
natural feeling had been excited to sell property out
of the English Stocks, to invest in Foreign—(Hear).
He deprecated both the cause and effect in this case.
For his part, he *ould never place a shilling in any
foreign fund: It never should be said of him that
lie had deserted his country in the hour of distress,
so long as there was a plank to swim upon—(Hear,
heat, bear). He commended the Noble Lord for the
alteration he had thought fit to make in the present
Lill, and hoped he would continue to make still more,
as well in that as in the other Bills, for which, he
had no doubt, he would find equally good grounds.
Sir ISAAC COFFIN exclaimed " I vote for this
measure because the Constitution is in danger, and I
am sworn to defend it!"—(A laugh, and hear, hear).
A blzmanr., unknown in the (2allery, ',As desirous
that an inquiry should be entered into respecting the
Manchester transactions, and hoped that the Bill
would not be allowed to extend its operation beyond
the term of one year.
Sir ROBERT HERON was so completely op-
posed to the before the House, that he could not
consent to its action for a single day ; and he thought
it impossible that he should be able to bring his
mind to support any limitation whatever of it. He
was averse to teaching the People that the Constitu-
tion of the country was, on every emergency, to be
set aside—(Hear). On the Manchester transactions
he should say but a few words. He was told not to
prejudge the Magistrates ; but, as a Representative of
the People, was he, he would ask, to prejudge them?
—(Hear). All that he could collect from the argu-
• mints he had hitherto-heard respecting the illegality
of the Meeting was, that its object was. Reform, and
that the Reform was of a seditious kind.
Sir CHARLES BURRELL observed, that he had
heard witli regret the bad effects which the alarming ,
reports from the North of England had had in a pe-
cuniary ooint of view ; but he could assure the House
that, from his own personal knowledge, the perion
who had prrimillsgated them was the last person in
the world who would willingly make a mistatement.
Mr. BROWNLOW begged to assure the House,
that after having attentively examined all the evi-
dence which had been broisght forwardoOthii occa-
sion, he had felt himself obliged to come M. the pain;
ful conautiOn that some alteration was necessary to
be made in the constitution, in' order to meet the
preiebt exigencies of the country, arid he congratu,
fated the House on finding that that 'alteration was
not to bc of a fermanynt nature! The principal point

which b.id at ,present called him up, was to reply to
.an observation which had been mode by the libnour-
able Member for Cork (*.Hutchinson), implicating
the characters, or at least involving the understand-
ings of seventy Irish Members, who, he had said, had
been betrayed into voting with the Ministers on the
present Bill, rpon a supposition that it was not in-
tended to apply to Ireland. lie must say, that they
had not been induced to take the side they had done
but from an irresistible conviction on their minds of
the urgent necessity of the measures—(Fear).
Mr. HUTCHINSON acknowledged that he had
charged the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) with deception
towards 11. e Irish Members, and declared that he
heard for the first time tonight that the Bill was
applicable to Ireland.—The Honourable Member
was proceeding in the same strain, when
Lord CAS't LEREAGH begged permission to say
one word in exculpation of what he had been charged
With. He observed, that when he introduced the Bill
to the notice of the House, he had expressly stated,
that it was applicable to the United Kingdom.
Lord MiaItPETH rose amidst loud cries of
" Question," which rendered what fell from his Lor-
dship inaudible.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that the
House do go into a Committee, which having been.
agreed to,
Colonel BEAUMONT moved, that an instruction
be given to the Committee to limit the duration of
the Bill to the Ist of March, 1821, or six weeks after
the next meeting of Parliament,
The 'question having been put from the Chair,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that he had hoped the limitation granted' by his
Noble Friend would have conciliated all opinions,
with respect to the Bill at present under the discus-
,sion of the House—(Haar, hear). The pressing evil
under which the Country was at present suffering,
was one of slow growth, of great magnitude, and
extreme danger; and, therefore, net one to be met
by measures of short duration. The Right Honour-
able Gentleman concluded by proposing, that the
words .! five years," &c. be substituted for the words
,g till the Ist of March, 1821, or six weeks after the
next meeting of Parliament."
The SPEAKER then put the question, when
Mr. CALCRAFT said, he did not think the Right
Hon. Gentleman, or his party, had much title to the
thanks of the House for the alteration which had-1

been made in the Bill. This proposition had been
wrung from the Noble Lord. It was not in eons.-
quence of any new light breaking in upon him that
he now gave up the idea of making the Bill perma-
nent, but he was induced to do so from apprehen-
sions that many of his friends would vote against
him, if' be had persisted in akin a different course.
Yet this was that conduct which the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, in his mild way, had thought mast
satisfy every man in the House, with the exception
of a few very violent persons. He thought this ex-
periment for abridging freedom and creating a new
system of judicature, would be found to lalt long
enough, if limited to fourteen months ; as, within
Ithat period, some inquiry might take place into
the state of the manufacturing districts, and the
House might be enabled to determine- whether
or not it was in their power to supply a-remedy
The Right Hon. Gentleman, ever since be had been
Chancellor of the Exchequer, had always spoke of
the dangers and difficulties of? the country as being
temporary, but now that coercive measures were pro-
posed, he regarded the state of things which called
for them as being permanent. He complained of the
imposition of new taxes to the amount of three mil-
lions, at a period like the present ; and he condemned
the grant to the Duke of York not as. to the amount,
for £lO,OOO was a trifle, but the principle of the
grant was what he reprobated ; yet the Gentlemen
who had acted thus, had now the modesty to com-
plain, that do what they would they were still denied
the support of their opponents.
Mr. BANKES denied the right of the subject to
call Meetings like those against which this measure
was directed. The People of England had a right to
Petition Parliament, but one portion of them had no
right to call Meetings, to the annoyance and injury
oft heir neighbours.

Mr. BUXTON &night it was impossible to expect
that the ferment in the public mind could subside in
so short a period as that to which the Hon. Gentle-
man had proposed that this Bill shOuld be limited,
To suffer, for five years, such an inroad on our Con-
stitution, would be to continue it in force too long. If
a longer period than the former, and a shorter one
than the latter were named, such a proposition would
meet with his approbation, He thought there was
some inconsistency in the argument of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, whe, having contended that the
people of Manchester and its vicinity, from local cits.
cumstances,•were different from the rest of the popu-
lation, thence inferred that the measure ought not to
be local, but general. If any Member would move
Ito limit the operations of the Bill to three years, he
would support such a motion—(Cries of " Move,
move). He begged to remark it was impracticabls
for him to make such a motion, at that moment:
Mr. PERCEVAL thought, at a time like the pre-
sent, that every man, forgetting party and personal
feelings, ought, as far as he could conscientiously,
support Ministers, is at such a time it was to be
assumed that the battle of the Constitution was to be'
fought by the side of Government. Nothing but the
conviction that this measure would prove a most
dangerous inroad on the rights and liberties of the
subject could induce him, at such a period, to op-
pose his Majesty's Ministers. This he found himself
compelled to do in the present instance. If them
were any mischievous feelings in the minds of the
People, he was much afraid that they would be ag-
gravated and augmented by being pent up under the
restrictions of this Bill. -It was because he disap-
proves' of the measure altogether, and had hopes
that altogether it might be thrown out, that be would
rather vote for its having the longer than the :loner
run—(Hear, hear).-1-le would only vote for the
longer period,' because he feared that if the shorter
were adopted, the fetters imposed by the Bill wottld
be rivetted on the Nation for ever. •
Mr. CARTWRIGIIT differed from his Honoura-
ble Friend who had just Sat down, as he conceived
the Bill went to protect the rights and liberties of
Englishmen, which were now endangered by disaf-
fection and popular commotion. He thought the
Bill ought not to be passed Merely kr a short period,

LONDON.

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 7, 1819.
• THE FUNDS.
FDIC! Or STOCKS Tills DAT AT On OtI.OOK
3 per Cent. Reduced 6514
3 per Cent. Consols shut
Si per Cent. 74-1
4. per Cent. 83{ 82f 83
5 per Cent. Navy shut
Bank Long Annuities 171/ 5-16
India Bonds 2s. dis. par
Exchequer Bills (2d.) 6s. 7s. dis.
Cnmmercial 295. discount
Consols for Acct.. 66} 67 66i 671,

The Stocks continue in a very gloomy state. Con•
cols left off yesterday at 661, which, without tl:e Di-
vidend, makes them 651. Omniam is now at 43Dis.
The pext payment will be on the 16th instant, and
yesterday bets were made that it would be at 6 per
cent. Dis. on or before that day. - India Bonds have
also been at 2s. Dis.—. Exchequer Bills are at a very
heavy Discount : they have been dope as low as 7s.
The Mini..ter has not yet advertised his Over-due
Exchequer Bills, of which there are outstanding a
very large amount t it is supposed he will not
pay off these Bills, but resort to a Funding...—
A fresh issue is talked of; at the rate of three-pence
per cent. per diem. Money is pot readily obtained
at an increased rate of interest ; a new issue of
Exchequer Bills, previous to the receipt of the.
Dividends, would materially depress the Money
Market: it is apprehended that money ,will not then
be procured at a less rate than 15 or 20 per cent.
Some Exchequer Bills bare been sold at 15s. dis. to
be delivered on the SOth of January. A report is
current in the City that a financial measure is in con-
templation by the CnAsosu.oa of the Exon/gnu
to touch the Irish Sinking Fund,

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The Search for Arms Bin, and the Dillling and
Training Bills, went through the Committees last
nigh; in the House of Lords, and were ordered to be
read a third time this evening. The Bill for sub.
jecting Persons convicted 4 second time of the
offence of publishing a Libel, to the punishment of
banishment* or transportaticin was read a second
time, after a keen, but fruitless opposition.
in the House uf Commons,. the Sedition: ltaailmi
Bill occasioned a very leng discussioe • 14

CASTLIRBAGII having, In an
bate, and, as " a conce4ioit to
ceded that the Bill should not
the permanent 7,,,aw of the Coui
was chiefly confined to the dui.r
given to it, The term of fi%
Lord Climatal/Am, after some
have the term shortened, was at'
May we pot ask here how
learnt the state of public fee%
He did not learn it iu the Hou.
there the opinion of a great
pressed to make the Bin perprti
from the hitherto.free Press,
have been convinced, that it
the public voice, eapressed chi
gan. The conviction is an
attention to public feeling is
Ought the organ, then, that conveys
to be silenced by cruel, unjust,
straints ? Let us hope that
the very outset of these measures
ecercien, have been enlightened
yet soften the rigours proposed
paper Press.
THE ARMY
Saturday morning, detachments
Oran Battalion marched from
do duty at Dalkeith and Musselburgh.
• hfortday last having been appointed
such Gentlemen as fmmaiy belonged
Regiment of Royal Edinburgh -
to the re-embodyiryr the Corps, ,
flour hundred attended at the Lower
and received their arms.
The Officers of the Edinburgh
al Militia, commanded by Co
have catered the First Regiment
Yates, their services in their on
present required.
It has been proposed to raise
in Edinburgh, under the command
to be attached to die County 0"
fifty. Gentlemen have already -
services.
It is in contemplation to raise
and also a Corps of Volunteer '
ham. The Infantry are to
Nottinghamshire Volunteers,
The Knutsford Corps of V
muster on Monday ; they consist
flies, amounting to 260. '
The Troops of Dragoons stationed
within these two days, got their;
order of Government.—(Cerlisk

Postmann:4 Das. 6.—Wind R..
Moamar, from New South Wales,
lAnnotar, from Quebec; and Lavinia,
Bogs, from Usbon. Sailed the John IP
TOSaar, Dec. 6..-This day it has'
which the Vigilant Revenue cutter,
tempting to w.ark out of this Bay,
she let go two anchors' came ashore
crew were saved, but the vessel went
Agnes, BIONCLAT, for Jamaica, with le
His Majesty's ship Seams, with twe
also,. are now riding very heavy, with
The Paris Papers of Saturda;
noon. Their contents ore unimi
Cents Friday, 68 fr, 45 c.
Mr. Woarscr's statement
mons, respecting. the Radical
shire, as corrected by himself,
course of a Meeting held some,
Riding, (where, .I bad forgot -
perty of Earl Mswg.LIAM,
tinctly pointed at, as if for partil
not Mr. WORTLZT Mendell
such language? That it was
associate of Spy Oliver l and "'
stoutly cried down by the Refo,
denounced, as an enem7 to the
of the Country I
CoMmom Covocrt.--Yesterda:
a series of Resolutions against
in Parliament, which were carried
'4dwasement), as was also a '
In compliancy with a Reqi
tants of Southwark, doss PRI
liff, has appointed a Meeting to
Hall, on Thursday nest, a; t,
for the purpose of considering
dressing the Legislature fur
measures proposed by the Prince
It appears from the following d
thee Rublic meeting is to be held
morrow ;
" SMITHFIELD PUBL
" CM Wednesday, December il,
" Huse Hors, Esq.
," We, whose.narnirs are hereunto
hoirites, payint Tams, Within the City
appalnt a Public Meeting to be held in
Pay next, to take into consideration the
a Petition to his Royal Highness tie
him not to give his Royal Assent-to t
Is the Two Houses of Parliament,
Laws, will be a total subversion
and a complelt abrogation
raced the apse of Brunswick upon the
H poems ar eww'
• " No. 5, Wyeb-sueet,
• "Alliz....As I perfectly agree with ti
hoiden of the City of Loudon in the
5 Royal Highness the Panica Rcoasie
Assent to those Bills now pending in
to accept their invitation, and wl 1 do
Me at the Meeting in Smithfield, on
of December, at Twelve o'clock ; and
that kis Royal Highness will not, upon to. -
turn a deaf ear to the prayers of a long-suffering,
loyal People, particularly as the object
the Requisition appears to be full as n
and gaiety of the Throne as it is for man:.
Liberties of the. People.—l am, Sir, your
" Mr, Wm. Phillips, Secreta."
Link rdddioston, the celebrated
Villisph, Is in dormice again. .
=ME a ptscord, mummies
13th anClerfrenwell-Green
the eshibition of his board, be at
CaPrbyy stwurtng at the corner
little tight, " Awake! arise or be

The Civil and Military Authorit,
On Wednesday, actively engaged
wes in Caldewgate, in consequence of a -story
ing gone abroad, that some hundreds of these
weapons had been secretly conveyed thither. The
search u as fruitless.
LaIIIDON ;?r i aMpollsbed Try Lrth Ks s, .';•k,11-
- Plan, Te•nple-rar.

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early pert or: the a
:n public fueling," en-
t constitute a part
,ountry, the dittuf:i*.k
luratian that should
ire years, proposed b
me fruitless attempts •
at List carried.
w Lord CarrAtltun
eing on this question
louse of Contons,f
majority had been
erpetual. He learnt lO
• He must, thetefq
was proper to listen ,
'rough this public tr •
acknowledgment ,
beneficial to the S „ Cja
.onveys the public °
i
just, and mpolitic A°
the Ministers who, s.
asures of. restraint
nsed by the Press, •
Kea against the :
MY.
ments of the Royal V . t
32 • Edinburgh Castle
sselburgh.
Ippernted for assembt , •
I belonged to the F
gh Volunteers, in or 4
ores, between three
e Lower Assembly. „.,
shurgh Light Infaltly
iy• Colonel J la Et Ha
sent of Volunteers as ,
own Corps not being
ise a Troop of l'eo
mmand of Lord Etre
sty Corps. Upwards .
r made a tender of th
use a Troop of Caralry
er Infantry, in Nottie.
be called the " Loy .
, or Sherwood Rangers:
rolunteers had their,.
consist of four comps.
tationed at Penrith hare,
eir swords sharpened, ti
lisk Journal.) ►
the Ma*
us,▪ last from Lisbon ' • •
minis, Hama., and Thait,
ihn Shand, Rao, for Juno
is blown a violent oak, •
Lieutenant Mum, is
, missed stays, and althea
ee near die Berry Ile •
went to pieces. Anted
tit loss anchor sod üblvi
two brigs, a schooner, saii
ith yards and toprauu mut
irday arrived this fat
unimportant. five r
in the House of Co
al Reformers in Yo
:elf, was this : "In the
;omewhere in the Wen•
of at the time) the pre •
among others, was dis•
artition."—But why did
who had dared to nu
as Miteldi the form
"that Mitchell was ir.•
formers themselves, ant:
be peace and prosperity
.day Mr. FAVELL MOTO,
4 the Sills now pending
armed by 81 to 66 (Sts
Petition to Bull/men!
siu isi ti ors- of the Inhsts•
emote, Esq. High bi
;o be held at the Tors
twelve o'clock at rem,
g ;he propriety of e
r protection, from at
rice Regent's Ministers.
ig d3cuments, that cc•
held at Smithfield tc•
LAC MEETING,
, at 12 o'clock precisely,
in the Chair.
subscribed, resident nu*
City of
d in
tht
those v
pe
Parliameistitticoehodstrlywewf4osink.tirtndielighillishresenWarenirtirat.wilitedr:llll;C:c*Till;l:ls
tversion
on of
the
net; Strand, Dec. 6, 1819.
la the Twerity.nine Hess'
the propriety of petitioning
tar to withhold the Ilepl
o Parliament, I hesitate not
o myself the honour to pre-
a Wednesday, the ash dal
and I most devoutly hope,
ton this impotent occasion!
100 g-suffering, patient, and
ct of those who have signed
is much for the
_protect
maiwainins elm Rights -I'4
your obedient servant,
".H. DUNI*.
eandard-bearer of the ni-
ne was found to the &-
in that " London newts
sear ;" and not satisfeed with
t attracted the notice of the
er of every street, with :1l
be for ever fallen."
orities of Carlisle were,
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ri
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of
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these
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