Star.
London, England, 1816-03-14 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

An Accnunt was brought up from Chelsea Hospital, of Un-
claimed Pr:ze.mottey up to January last.—Laid on the Table.
The Farming Stock bill went through a Committee, and after
some atterauoui, the Repott was brought up, and ordered fur
farther consideration on Monday nest.
A Petition was ;:resented front Ipswich, agsistsc the additional
Llcesse4.—Laid on the Table.

Mr. 1). 111tOWNI3 gave notioe, that to-morrow he should
move for leave to bring in a Bill for the ►etter regulation of Polls
in Ireland, and for other regulations ten:ming elections in that
country.
Mr. W. WY NNE brought up a Petition from the Farmers
and Landholders of Montgomery, calling upon the House to ex-
amine into the state of the agriculture. and praying that relief
might be granted Ihein.—l.aid on the table,
Mr. SW ANN gave notice that he should to-morrow rocs• for
leave to bring in a Bit to preserve the purity of Election in the
borough ut ileistone.

Some ocher Petitions were brought up against the A44ldonal
Licenses.

General THORNTON brought up the Report of the Pillory
Abolition Bib, which was ordered to be read a third time on
Friday nest.
Mr. GOOCH presented a Petition aping the addi•ional Li-
censes of last year from several Innkeepers of the County of Suf-
folk —Laid on the table.

Mr. GOOCH presented another Petition from certain Inn.
krepers of a district of Suffolk against the same Licenseso—Laid
on the 'fable.

Mr G. WARRENDEIt brought up several Papers reative to
Lord Cochrane, which had been moved for by that NObla Lord.
Laid on the talk, and on the 'notion of Sir C. Mouce, ordered
to be printed.

PROPERTY TAX.
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A Petition was presented from the Landholders
And others •f Barton-upon-Humber. against the
Property TAX and Standing Army.—Laid on the

A Petition was brought up from Arbroath, in
Scotland; and another from Aberdeen, against the
Property Tax and Peace Establishment.—Laid on
the Table.

CONVENTION WITH AMERICA.
Mr. ROBINSON moved that the House should
go into a Committee on the Convention recently made
with the United States of America.
The House went accordingly into the Committee.
Mr. ROBINSON should not delay the House with
a long detail of the transactions between the United
States and this country r he should do little more at
present than observe, that every thing had been done
which was likely to cement and preserve the harmony
which at present subsisted between the two countries.
and that the American Commissioners had conducted
themselves on the occasion with a degree of kindite‘i
and consideration which was highly to their credit.
The only part of the Convention with which he should
at present trouble the House was that which related
to the duties on American ships. A Resolution was
then read, which stated, that it was determined in fu-
ture, that American goods should pay no more duty
when imported in American vessels thin by British
ships. Tiro-other Resolutions were read, which held
the same liberal policy towards America.
Atter which, the SPEAKER resumed the Chair, and
the Report was ordeted to be brought up to-morrow.
MARINE !MUTINY.
The Marine Mutiny Bill was read a second time,
and ordered to be cnmmitted.

Mr. CALCRAFT had intended to submit a mo-
tion to the House on the subject of the reduction of
the Marines, which body of men, he thought, might
without inconvenience be diminished at least by three
thousand men. His principal object at present, how.
ever, was to know to what the saving in such a re-
duction might amount I
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that a considerable
number of the Marines were at present on shipboard,
but that such a reduction would be made•by his Ma.
jesty's Ministers as would proportion that body of
men to the seamen of the Navy. The number at pr*
sent intended to be kept up was 6000.
Mr. CALCR AFT conceived there could be lit&
or no objection to his motion.
Mr. ROBINSON believed that no time would be
lost in making every possible reduction.
Mr. CA.43,AFT said; that his illifile-WaS fer

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the purpose of ascertaining the precbie expense 6f a'
certain number of men. He wished u
„banw what
would nagintain a certain number of Kirines it after

havrng. received which information, he might be able
to bring forward his motion for a reduction. The
Hon. Member then moved,
H Thattbere be laid before the House an account
of the. annual saving that would take place in the
proposed reduction of 3000 men."
The motion was agreed to.
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that the Com-
mittee on the Mutiny Bill stood for yesterday, and as
it had been postponed for more than once, he hoped
the House would not oppose its sittin4 at present.
The order had lapsed, but he thonght that, consider.
ing the short time that remained before the Bill ex.
pared, the H re would not object to his proposition.
Mr. G R.ENFELL thought that his motion re-
specting the Bank should take precedence of that of
the Noble Lord.
The SPEAKER said, that there wai a motion to
be made respecting the defaulters frlm a former call.
'When that was disposed of, the Hon. Gentleman's
motion would have precedence.
The Committee on the Mutiny Bill and the motion
of Mr. GREKTZLL were understood, therefore, t 3 be
set aside till after the motion respecting the defaulters
had been called over. _ _

blr C. MONCK wished to know wlllt had been
Jose in consequence of an order which stood upoli
the Journals for a return of alterations in the s4l4pes
of (lacers belonging to the Navy Board. '
Mr. CROKE R did not remember that there was
any order in the wards of the Honourable Baronet
upon the buinals; but he could inform the House,
that he had that morning received a very trolorni.
nous account of alterations in the salaries of the Navy
Board.

Sir C. MONCK read the order from the Journals.
the purport of which was, that there should be laid
before the House an account of all alterations and
augmentations of the salaries of the Navy Board since
the Ist of January, 1815.

Mr. CROKEI( thought that the most convenient
way of Lying these Papers before the House would
be to give an account of the increase or diminution
there might have been, without putting down the
name of each individual, pr of entering into any great
minutenessiti the retti.n ; for if that were the case, it
would be some time yes before it could be laid before
the House.
Sir C. MONCK wished particularly to have those
Papers laid before the House. He hoped the in-
crease of salaries had not been so frequent as to'
make the account of it so dreadfully voluminous. He
wished likewise to know what had beendone towards
snaking up the Recounts of the Greenwich Hospital
Estates fir 1813 ?

Mr. CKOKER said, that those accounts could
not be made ont without considerable time elapsing,
but even► thing would be done that would forward
them.

Mr. GOOCH brought up a Petition from certain
Landholders, Farmers, and others, in the County of
Suffolk, against the Property Tax. -He considered
the country in a most deplorable state, and ct.uld
scarcely express his opinion in the strong terms which
he could wish to the upon that subject. He did not
think that his Majesty's Ministers were sufFniently in.
formed upon the lamentable situation of the agricul-
ture, and the general stagnation of. the trade of the
kingdom, though he would give them credit for their
intentions to do as much is possible for the relief of
the• landed interest. Having said thus far, he now
e tow to a more painful duty; that of declaring, that
on the stibint of the Property Tax be conkknot alto-
gether agree with his constituents. He thought that
nothing could be better as a mode of taxation than a
modified Property T.4x. He was sorry to see that

any motives but the most honourable were Attributed
to these who wished to continue it, but he thought
that with all its sins and imperfections on its head it
was one of the best taxes that could be levied. He

had attended all the discussions which had taken place
upon the subject, and he still remained in his original
opinion, that for a time it would be touch better if
this I'u should be•continued. It,however, bethought
that Government had any intention of continuing the
Tax longer than the time specified, or of making it
perpetual, he should have voted against k with the
greatest pleasure; and if he had any idea that they
intended to continue the peace establishment longer
than it was absolutely necessary, he should have voted
against it from the beginning; but poor and impo-
veihrhed as this country was, slit ought still to stand
forward in support of national honour and national
independence. He was sure that no mode of taxation
could be resorted to with so little inconvenience. He
wished that the War Malt Tax should be taken off,
for its abolition would be generally beneficial, and
without it the lower orders would be able to procure
a cheap and wholesome beverage, instead of having
recourse to noxious and smuggled spirits or concealed
an .1 illicit hrewines.
Sir J. C. H IPPESLEY considered that there were
other means ot relieving the country besides the taking
off of the Property Tax. The heavy pressure of the
poor rates might be considered by the House; some
modifications might be made in the tithes; the church
dues might be diminished; and the highway rates
:night be lessened. For his part, he was an advocate
Ivr the Tax upon Property, which might press equally
upon the people. He did not wish to hear that the
laud alone was to bear the burdens of taxation.

Mr. GOOCH 'explained.. He was sorry that he
had been misundermed by the Honourable Baronet.
It was far front his intention to wish. that the land
should bear the whole burdens of the State. .le had
tatty expressed his satisfaction at the conduct of Mi-
nisters towards the landed interest in general, and he
hoped that there might always be other resources be-
sides the land for the support of the country.
Mr. BARING thought it was evident that the ar-
guments which the Honourable Member had been
using had had more effect upon himself than upon
his constituents. He still continued in his opinion,
tirtt, the Property Tax was altogether inconsistent
with the liberties and comfort of the subject. The
lattoed interest were, he believed, considerably an.
s.s,rd by inquiries in consequence of the Taxi but
they could have no idea of what took place in cases
w, .ere precarious incomes were liable to an inquisi.
tort al investigation. The Tenant's Tax was not
w:.oley to be given up, as he understood, and he could
not but chink that the duration of the Tax upon Pro-
perty and income fur two years would tempt Minis.

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to Iptiniktar to coatimr it 'stilt (*Asa, * to
!make Itplwsattent. • •
000 CH had oriented several Petitlens &Om.
the same County ; but one of which had been directly
against the Property Tax.' Some had petitioned
againit the system of taxation in general—(Rears
kmay)....lle did not mean to say that the Property
Tax was not included in these Petitions, but it bad
net been particularly mentioned.
After some observations from Mr. ROUND, the Pe-
tition was read and laid upon the T.ible.
Sir W. GUISE presented a Petiti a from Broad-
way, against the Property Tax, and those on Milt,
Leather, and Farming Horses.-1-Laid nn the Table.
Mr. ATHERLEY stated,. that a Petition would
have been presented from Southampton, had it not'
been stolen from the room in which it had been depoe
sited. The Honourable Member was about to submit
a Motion upon the subject, when
Mr. ROSE said, he had received an account of
the progress of the unfortunate Petition which had
just been mentioned. He believed that a meeting
would have been held upon the subject about three
weeks ago, but a reqnisition had not been drawn up
on account of inability to trump up a sufficient num
ber of names. About twenty or thirty respectable
persons, however, had at length signed a Petition,
which was left in a public.house, and the remaining
signatures were furnished by paupers and children.
Lord FOLKESTONE happened to be in South.
amptun when the business relating to the Petition in
question was transacted. It had 'sot been left for sig-
natures at what the Right Hotenuabie Gentleman
called a public-house, but at one of the most re-
spectable inns, and he could safely say it had been
signed by upwards of 400 people.
It was then moved, " That toe Defaulten from
the Call of the House of the Vitli of Feeraary, should
be called over," which was agreed to, and the Clerk
proceeded to read the list.
Mr. Crickitt was excused from atending on IC.
count of very urgent private business.
On Mr. IVliitshed Ketoie's not answering, •
Mr. W. WYNNE thought that as that Honourable
Member was the father of the House, some indul-
gence ought to be she wit eirn.
The SPEA KER .-64 Does the Honourable Mem.
ber assign that as • reason for his non-attendance ?"
Mr._W. WYNNE proposed that he should be ex-
cused on iteclunt of age, which was agreed to.
On the motion "'That Mr. R. Latouc,;•e be taken
into the custody of the Serjeant at isms,"
Lord FOLKESTONE moved, that he should be
excused on account of distance ; and after some con-
versation it was agreed, that the Irish Members ab-
sent should appear in their places on Monday next.
Mr. METHUEN gave notice that he should, on
IWeduesday nest, move for a return of alt those
offices which were held in peace and war with the same
salary.
Lord CASTLEREAGH gave notice of a Mes-
sage which he said might be expected shortly from
the Prince Regent, which we supposed to be con-
netted with the marriage of the Princess% Charlotte.
Mr. TIERNEY moved, " Tuat there be laid be-
fore the House a Copy of the Order in Council of the
23d June, 1815, whereby it was decided that the t-
' laties of the Secretary ef the Admiralty, and of the
Under Secretary, should be continued the same in
peace as in War.
Mr. BROUGHAM held in his hand a Petition
from Dumfries, in Scotland, against the increase of
sasarics, the extravagance and the general system of
Ministers. He was astonished to hear that, whilst Mi-
nisters bad put retrenchment and economy in their
Master's mouth, that they should not only with to
continue useless offices, but to increase the salaries
attached to those offices, when all the necessaries of
life were lower in price by 40 or 50 per cent. than
formerl7. He was astonished that an Order in
Council of Lord Spencer's, to snake the salaries of
War Offices less in time of peace, should non in a
period of almost general distress be overthrown, and
rendered useless by an order to make the salaries the
same in peace and in war. If a stop was not shortly
put to such extravagance the country would be
ruined, and economy would hardly for a moment
avert its downfall.
Sir G. WARRENDER considered the Honoura-
ble Member as condemning Ministers unheard. The
question with respect to the salaries of the Secretaries
would cote before the House in a few days, and
what had been done concerning those salaries had
been done from the advice of the Board of Revision.
Mr. TIERNEY believed that Lord St. Vincent
had wished to make as flinch reforni as possible in
the naval- department, and the Board of Revision
had endeavoured, as much as possible, to prevent all
reform.
Lord NUGENT thought that his Honourable
and Learned Friend had not condemned Ministers a

all. He had only said, that be hoped if such had
been the case as had been stated, it would soon be
remedied.

Mr. BARING deprecated the system of increa•
sing salaries, and he hoped that his Honourable
Friend would take as mach care as he had hitherto
done so expose extravagance.
Lord CASTLEREAGH considered the Hon.
Melnber on the other side as determined to question

every measure of Government before it wag fairly
before the House. He and his friends were always
ready to meet the other sine on the fair ground of ar-
ginnent, but when any question was to be argued,
when the distresses of the country were to be consi-
dered, they left their places, their occupations were
gone, and their empty benches 'hewed how much
they were in need of arguments. He wished to know
what spirit of economy there had been manifested
when some of the Honourable Members opposite had
been in office, and when it was proposed to institute
one hundred and fifty new offices for the improve.
went of the revenue t

Mr. METHUEN wished the House would re-
member that this was not a question between one
party and another, but between Government and the

country.
Mr. PONSONEY 'wished that the Right Honour-
able the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was Se.
cretary of the Treasury at the time the Noble Lord
mentioned, would explain what the Noble Lord
meant by the appointment of 150 officers. The Right
Hon. Gentleman said, he and his friends were ready
to argue on the grounds of economy. Indeed they
seemed ready to do any thing with regard to economy
but to practice it. For his part be did not like Com-
mittees where no benefit could be produced. The

__ Lord said, Gentlemen tit that *de of the
Ron* nifty came for the purpllnies of elang•ittr: He
was HMO to bear his pare of this charge, eiPecially
when he was backili by the unanimous voice Of the
' people from one end of the kingdom to the other;
but he wished the bulges* merchantsi and farmers
of the country, to know the compliment the Noble
Lord paid them, when he said, that discussing their
Petitions was only clamour. Really the Noble Lord's
situation seemed to overcome both his temper and his
sense, when he could bring himself to tell all the
country, that their Petitions were nothing but cla-
mour, and that those who commented on them were
only tlamonrers.
Lord CASTLEREAGH would appeal to the
House, whether he and his Honourable Friends did
not treat the Petitions of the country with :he most
respectful attention, as he knew they certainly were
in duty bound to do. But he attributed the Right
Honourable Gentleman's misrepresentation to his
want of argiunenwer of better greunds of attack. He
did not attribute clamour to any one outside the
House ; but he certainly had said, sod still repeated,
that there was mulch clamour inside.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT referred fora proof of the
Noble Lord's respectful attention to the Petitions of
theipeople, and to his own words, ‘4 ignorant impa-
tience of taxation."
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD insisted that his
Noble Friend's words were not eased in the sense at-
tributed to them. His Noble Friend had used the
words not with respect to the feelings of the people,
bet in deprecating the clamour of those who tried to
raise in the people an impatience of that taxition -the.
removal of which would be only productive of more
oppressive burdens With respect to the increase of
salaries, he did not think the charge came with the
most peculiar grace from the opposite side of the
House. If a First Lord of the Admiralty on coming
into office' had taken care that his own salary should
be increased by £2OOO per annum, he would appeal
to the House whether the flietids of that Lord
and the sharers in his Administration could, with
the greatest degree of decency, tell the present Go-'
vernment that they were only employed in increas-
ing salaries ?
Mr. METHUEN explained.
Mr. CROKER apologised for not having been in
his place when this discussion commenced. He had
only been at the Admiralty 011iee to see whether
returns that had peen moved for were ready. An
()tiler in Council in ISIS had sanctioned a recom-
mendation of a Commission appointed for the pur-
pose, that the salaries of the Secretary and under
officers of the it of Admiralty should be greater
in time of war than of peace. In 1806 another Com-
mission was appointed to inquire into the salaries of
the Officers of the Admiralty, and that Commission
recommended that the salaries shottld not be higher
in time of war than of peace : but this recommenda-
tion had also not btea acted on. So it rested till the
last war with France, when the salaries were put on
the same footing in time of peace and war, by' which
the second Secretary cl the Admiralty had been dis-
missed. Now be could not see why an increase of
the salary of the St cretary of the Admiralty should
he particularly objected to, unless there was some
peculiar reason for making him an exception in the
general increase of salaries.
Mr. TIERNEY allowed, that the filed salary of
the Secretary of the Admiralty was a small one a
but it was made up in time of war by emoluments.
In Lord Spencer's time there was a fixed salary of
£3OOO per annum in time of peace, and ,84000 in.
time of war. It was just that it shook! be lower in
time of peace than of war, because the duties of the
office were less.
Mr. CROKER said, that former Secretaries of the
Admiralty had received from ten w £lB,OOO a year,
and he did not think it very liberal in Lord Spencer
to act as be had done.
Mr. TIERNEY laid,. that before Lord Spencer's
time the salary and emoluments were enormous in
time of war, but hardly any thing in time of peace.
Mr. FORBES thought the present an unfortunate
time for the increase of salaries, when the distress of
the nation was at such an height.
Lord MILTON wished the original Order in
Council, in Lord Grenvilk's Administration, should
be laid before the House.

Mr. CROKER said, it had been already laid be-
fore the House.

Lord ALTHORPE said, that the salary of the
First Lord of the Admiralty had been too small
before Lord Grey's time, ani that the 42300 a year
which he had added to it was lint too much.
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD was not the per-
son to arraign the conduct of the late Administra-
tion, or of Lord Grey, for whom he professed a high
respect: but he asked from Honourable Gentlemen
that justice towards others which they claimed for
themselves.

Mr. LOCKHART did not think the present state
of the country could afford to pay public Officers on
An increased scale of salary ; on the contrary, he was
sure that if the prices of coin and other articles con-
tinued as low as they at present were, a reduction in
the salaries of all public Office-c, and eves in the
pay of the army, proportionate tr the low price of
commodities, must take place.
Sir GEORGE WAR RENDER said, that there
was no Deputy Comptroller of the Nary at this in-
stant ; but that the salary of the last was the same as
before him.

Mr. BROUGHAM said, a time would come for
the trial of the Noble Lord ; but now he was on his
trial himself. The Honourable and Learned Gen.
demist then entered into a warm justification of his
charge ; and argued that it could not be considered
clamour when the facts were allowed. He did not
think there was the greatest degree of candour in the
attempt to divert the attention of the House from his
charge, by an attack on an Administration in .which
he bad no share. Here he defended Lord Grey's
conduct at great length, and said, that that Noble
Lord had acted in a tar mare fair and manly manner
than Lord Melville. He concluded by thinking, that
the arguments of Gentlemen at the other side only
strengthened his charge,
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD repeated, that he
urged no charge against Lord Grey. The Honour.
able and Learned Gentletnan was the first. person in
that House, who, after a meaning was disclaimed
by the Speaker, brought it foryard again and re-
nt-Red it.—Mr. BROUGHAM explained.
Mr. ROBINSON did not consider either the Ho.'
noarable and Learned Gentleman's charge 'lair, or

akciutioe just It Midi ice fair
Government with profligate wage of the patalia
net., becathe there was an increase of same gal i!
nor was it just to conclude, that the fact of a
gate waste of the public money WAS admitteds;: maft
the increase of the salaries bad been annvemi er
the increase was necessary, as he conteaded it "e
was no profligate waste.
Mr. BROUGHAM did not think any maw
suppose that he meant that the profligate wn-ne'
the public money wasadmirted. Wl.at he
that the increase of the salaries was admitted.
Mr. WARD spoke to order.
Mr. BROUGHAM thought any Gentleman
made a motion had a right to answer re,
le to him, and to have the last word. every
The
.S,PEAKER said, that it was not the Ran.
that a Member who had made a motion niegld
allowed to reply to all those who spoke 44(4
mption.
Mr. BROUGHAM then entered into a justiticati,m of his charge, and argued, that
at lee*,ara
now a time of peace, the duties of offices dinfaiox
and the pa ice of commod :ies reducing, 13 i
crease of salaries was a waste of the public
alon'
Lord CASTLEREAGH thought that if theilos.
and Learned Gentleman had any regard for his
on
name or weight in that House, he would notean.
tinue his present line.
After some words from Lord Factual, ah
Petition was read, and laid on the table. e
ter. METHUEN moved for copies dpidert
Council in 1795, and in 1816, respecting tit u6itill
of the Secretaries of the Admiralty.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a petition from
Blackwall against the Property Tat
Load FOLKES TONE said, that it had
staled that the Property Ca: would hear on dieticia
and not the poor. He, however, could revue a eat
which would chew that it was not s,. A clergrum,
with two accomplished daughters, was reduced tri
ss
great a pitch of distress that the neighbouriagGentk,
men entered into a subscription and purchased fan,
`pounds a year fur him. On this he was charged
tour pounds for the Property Tax. He WAS told by
the Collector thy: there was no redress for him but by
application is thz Board of Commissioners. He (bee
forwarded an application to London, where it was
I for four months before he received any answer, sal
then he was told that he did not come withia the et.
ceptions to the tax.
Ttie CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that he would do every thing in his power, 44
he hoped the House wculd assist him, to make thti
best possible modifications in the Act.
Atter some further observations from Mr. Pas,
suer, Sir M. W. Rumex, and Lord Faustus
the petition was read and ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. GRENFELL would put off his metirra will
regard to the Bank till to•nior row, if it was under.
stood that it should have the precedence of the Lei
Loan Bill.
After some conversati.in between the CRAWILLI
of the EXCHEQUER, :.:r. Timor ET, Mr. Pox:over, and
Lord CASTLEREACII, in the course of which, tbe able '
Lord wished that the Property l'ax should be postpo.
ned from Monday, on account of the anniversary for
Sr. Patrick's Charity on t' at d iy, or that at kw.
those who did not attend the Niue ting, should lead
their m‘,:icy there.
Mr. GRENFELL'S motion was deferred till to.

Mr. FORBES presented a Petition from Beverley,
in Yorks:sire, against the additional dutr no Looses.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT put off to Thursday, the
4th of April, his motion respecting the Sue of
Ireland.

Lord FOLKESTONE made an allusion to the
explanation that bad been given on a former light
by the Ministers, of the term M household troops," a
being found in a Bill brought in by Mr. Burke. No
such team was introduced into any Bill, but Mr.
Burke did apply. it in siiicule to Lords of the Bed.
chamber and other courtiers, who cone down to
fight the battles of the Minister in Parliament. He
said, there were two ways of destroying the Coati.
tution; one was by a military, and the odes bys
fiscal tyranny. Of these the latter WAS the MOtt °Fe
pressive ; and if the Income Tax passed, the villa.
tors would be obliged to go to every house ‘%ith
file of soldiers. The obstinacy with which that tit
was persisted in proved. that s.mething more oasis
' view than the bare increase of revenuz. He w&
' chided with moving for an account of the ntimberg
military guards employed within the metropolisevey
year since 1791, to January last inclusive.
Mr. R. WARD was at a loss to comprehend the
nature of the danger that the Noble Lori had Go
jured up in his imagination. He could not beliefs
any of the allegations adduced by the Noble 1.1r4
unless some specific facts were brought forward is
support of them.

Sir MARK WOOD thought Ole establishment
was not too large, and asked Wit would haw?. if
Lord Wellington wi,re to send for a foi.le, and we
had no supply for the emergency.
Lord PALMERS roN said, the accounts shoal&
be presented, if it were possible to make thematic.
He wished to set the Noble Lord (Lord Folkestone)
right on one subject ; namely, that a larger Dumber
at guards was not now mounted than when the King
res►ded in London—that number was 45. .

Mr. BENNETT give notice for a motion on Wed.
nesday, relative to the enhstitig of chiklun into the
army.
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The House having resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply,
Lord PALMERSTON moved, that the sem
£333,692. I Is. 61 be graftted for defraying the
charges of the Cavalry, Guards, Dragons and Royal
Waggon Train:
Sir M. W. RIDLEY took this occasion to e6n•
plain of the negligence and cruelty of those whoa.**
entrusted with the care or bringing our cavalry hood
from France, by means of which vast ntimbetS of
them perished on their passage. As the re,,,,inteets•
however, had not their complement of :)orsee;
thought no new expense would be incurred by Pm'
cha.ing any more horses.
Lord CASTLEREtiGH said, that nothing was
more difficult and expensive than the transrri of
cavalry hnrses across the Channel.
Mr. WA RRE bore te_timony, to the great losses
sustained in horses coming from France : the s
wacmost shameful and disgusting—numbers of t ,es
died on their_passage, in consequence of having lass.
put into small cutterpackets, but thcuo that wegerit

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t . ~egged vessels cae safe.
m It •
ito ilissre• •,wail ape:
, of cowl ingratitude wipe animals' that .bad car.',
riders so long ; each of those be saw wits
• • jeas on an average, and the value of the whole
Would have more than defrayed the expense of wt-
dif proper transport: for them.
▪ Lord PALMERS ION said, he did not think thy
jpn of hones thus lost was very great, and
dist the loss was owing to the severity of the season,
sett the difficulty of getting convenient vessels tsr
them; The decrease in the number of horses was
mote owing to the losses of the campaign than the
eg ide u alluded to.
Mr. PONSONBY conceived after what had been
fated, that it would be impossible not to make some
inquiry into the subject.
BENNET! expressed alarm at the large ea.
• establishment intended t,) be kept up this year.
Their onit use would be this, that of being employed
kioneetiog the reieaue.
Loco FALMERS TON said, the regiments this
yea weft considerably reduced at home; but the
peasfishment abroad was kept up.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY observed. that our troops
ere employed in assisting the collection of revenue
ke the French Government, which he considered the
most degrading part of the Treaty entered into with
that Government.
•
Genertil Sir A. HOPE thought it highly expe-
Jinn to maintain the present establishment of heavy
cavalry .which was now chiefly confined to the
Guards; and he entered into several military state-
ment id order to prove the great advantage of keep.
jog up such a force. There never was a moment
when the army had so strong a claim on, or deserved
to well of the country as the present moment.
Mr. C. W, WYNNE could not help expressing'
his disapprobation at .the cordon of troops intended
to be kept: in the country for the purpose of assisting
it the collection of the revenue. It was proper some-
times to fall in the military to assist the civil power ;
bet he cd old not bear the idea of a body of armed
cavalry coming up to and stopping a carriage on the'
pretence of their coming to prevent smuggling.
Lord .CASTLEREAGH agreed that it would
be much more agreeable to all mens' feelings and
Coostitunional habits, not to employ soldiers on these
occasions; but those circumstances were greatly ex-
aggerate d. It was impossible now, under the pre- '
eat agencies of the coontry, to prevent smuggling,
lylowet7ing duties, the +use it would cause ai detalca-
don oft ight millions annually in the revenue. Now,
the expi nse of keeping cavalry to watch the coast was
only 40 100,000, and these prevented a species of
smupling, which, if suffered to go on, would take
eight tines that amount of taxes from the revenue.
Unkssi the army was employed to support the revenue
officers,. the revenue would be so broken down as
would 1 gdige.the Members to lay very heavy taxes
on dirt constituents.
Mr. I I BERC RO NI BY considered the prospect held
out by .the N ,ble Lord as most hopeless ; for he be-
lieved it would relax and destroy the discipline of the
army to i employ troops constantly on such a service.
Aftes • some farther conversation the Resolution
moved by Lord PALifilltsTo37 was agreed to.
The following Resolutions were also put, and
agreed to r,
,e46st: 760 for Miscellaneous Services.
al IN 956 for Expenses of Crimp. in Ireland. •
£20,1 35 'or the Army in India.
iessq 000 for the embodied Militia of Great Britain andlreland.
£194 129 for General Officers.
11314 AN for Supernumerary Officers.
sling ,I 9:) for Half-Pay Officers.
1119; 477 for Hospitals.
if911:,000 for Pensioners of Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals.
£93,119S for Widows Pensions.
Is7o, 103 for Foreign troops in our Service.
E 17,1 30 for Retired Chaplains.
444,4 24 on the Compassionate List for Children, Orphans, Ste.
ASS AO for the Commissariat Department in it eland.
£175 ,000 for the Barrack Department in Ireland.
035 i an for British Officers in the Portuguese Set vice.
Bill for maintaining in custody N ipolcon Bo-
'arrange, and the Bill for regulating the intercourse
betwe en Great Britain and St. Helena, were brought
tip, a ad a first time, and ordered to be read a. second
time tomorrow.

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Tne other Orders of the Day were then disposed
tind the House adj(ntrued at HAlf-past One.

PRENCii PAPERS.

PARIs, MARCH 9.
mimosa of DIIIPLITIES-.-41TrING OF THe 9TH.
11. CORBIERES, Reporter of the Committee charged
Ma the consideration of the Budget, made .a report,
stmltch the following is a summary
•Tle Committee finds nothing to retrench in the
lies Household. Toe King, of his own motion,
ka teen up 10 millions,. and the first feeling was to
reftlie.then3, it every oae Had not been penetrated
MI the noble sentiments of the Monarch, who wished
to be the first to give an example of the sacrifices m-
ammy to the safety of the State.
The Ministry of Justice has expenses which the
Committee thinks susceptible of ditniaution : it esti-
mots these possible deductions at two millions. The
airtime& (A the M:uistry of the Interior appear also to
bp susceptible of economical arrangement ; as also
the s•ffices of inspectors of weights and Measures, and
the schools of music. The condition of the clergy
uglet to be ameliorated, and particularly the inferior
dttgE. the Co.timittee therefore proposes an addi-
tie of five millions relative to this branch of the
.1141114 L
is The Committee has seen with astonishment,
that in the /3udget of the War Office, 19 millions
*redirected to General Staffs, while the expense of
the reef of the army did not exceed 30 millions. It
thinks economy possible in this quarter, by the sup-
reision of certain employments which should no
Longer exist in time of peace, and by forminl# into one
torPts the Reviewing Generals and the Al' Com.'
Missaries.
The Ministry of the Marine requires a sum ofi
48 millions, which is scarcely sufficient : that sidle
Police the sum of one million.

" The Ministry of Finance rates its expenses at
16 millions ; the Committee thinks economy possible;
the operation of estimating the Land Tax is too ex-
peony', as it costs lour millions a year ; 55 millions
•avehten already expended. A century would be ne-
nuary to complete this survey ; and in a century
vsriations in the produce would render such an
Operation nugatory.
" As to the resources, the Committee adopts the
rfits of direct contribution, will-. an addition of ten-
-1111•4.111hich is not to oscced GJ cent; "Pcr Iran' It