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last year, furnished an argument against the Noble I
. Learned Lord, since it showed that the number
prosecutions were greater when the dislike arising
capital punishments was so far taken away. The
toble Marquis made an eloquent speech in favour df

He was, at the same time, apprehensive of some op.
position to the proposed repeals, from the country
Gentlemen, Members for Ireland, who were of opi-
nion, that in enacting the repeal, they were running
a considerable risk. He, of his own knowledge, could
not help admitting, that there were many humane
and loyal men in -Ireland who thought that such a
step would be going too far. But he thought that
the improvement in Irish civilization, since that pe-
riod, however necessarf such laws might then have
been, had by this time superseded the necessity of
them. He said, that he was anxious, as the people
grew more civilized, to extend to them all the liberty
that they could, consistent with the safety of Ireland
He

&kids ware was equal to one-9th, while that of
Irish amounted to not less than 7-sths. He
stated the sum to be provided for the charge of
interest upon the debt, and the Sinking Fund,
amounting to £331,269 ; the interest and charge
management-for this he stated at £5 13s. 3d. I
cent. The taxes to raise this sum of three hundi
spd thirty odd thousand pounds, he thus enumetat
as follows :
First Tax—Upon the Post Office Revenue, an increase
of one penny upon the postage of each letter, which
would produce C 35,0%
Tbe next taa was an increase upon the Duties and Cos.
toms of Tea, Raisins, and Currants, which would
produce
One item produced to the English Rever..ie

Bill.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH, in animated tern%
lured a spirit of innovation upon the existing sys-
of our laws and their present administration ; a
it which was now too much abroad on that sub-
The bill of last session had been dangerous, the
:sent one might be more so, and he believed that
It session another bill to take away capital punish-
lent from the offence of stealing from a dvielling-
ise, no person being therein, might be brought in ;
very law which protected the poor cottager who
his miserable home in the morning, and expect-
to fing on his return the mean chattels with which
habitation was garnished. Various other objec-
ions were made by the Noble Lord.
Lord HOLLAND said the Noble and Learned
Lord had misapprehended him.
The question was put, •and the numbers were—
For Lord Ellenbor,ough's motion Sl
AgainA it - - • • - I 1
Majority against the bill %. •
TILE MESSAGE.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL, after requesting the
_oyal Message to be read, which was acoordingly
done, stated that he had no intention to say much on
subject,. as so many motions containing every
tblic topic stood before the House, though any No-
Lord might originate, if he pleased, a discussion
present. -He then moved an humble Address to
i Majesty in the usual mode.
Lord HOLLAND would not, under all circum-

itself. _.. then concluded with moving for leave to - (Th:s •
J bring in Bills to altir and amend the said Acts. A 570,000 ) -
The nest tax was an increase of the Stamp Duties, malt.
ct- Mr. HUTCHINSON said he could not avoid ex- rig Newspaper Advertisements, which now paid but
suoifae theu dudesper tun, on
and
Pnr;ofnCla le
rich pressing his thanks to the Honourable Gentleman, ts. duty, pay its. which would produceobjec. and to the Noble Duke at the head of the Irish Go-
'The
vernment, for proposing the repeal of the two Acts andnext tax was Spanish a
Wines,in ofcr e a 7 t
2
Learned in question. It was not merely on account of the The be guineas
mt pease tausnmoann allzFrtenoch
levied by
enirroducing
practical good effects resulting to the people of Ire- /he Customs Storage, producing regulation
on
.
,rs were— land from such a measure, as of the conciliating spirit The next was an increase of the present Window tax,
al it evinced upon the part of the Irish Government.— by £5O per cent. producing - . XING
- 11 It was not so much on account of the good it would With respect to the Window Tax, he stated
that no
- .--20 do, as to the principle upon which that good would house having less than seven windows was subject to
Lathe tax, and that even after the' proposed increase, the
be done. He rejoiced that his country was begin-af 'n the tax would be one-half less than what it was in
g ning to he better understood. It was not oppressive , Ens.
ch 'cdyland, aTa even less than what ;it was in Scotland.—
statutes or humiliating exemptions from the benefits
161 of the Constitution that could strengthen the Irish
: The whole of these taxes, together with some items of
RS the detail of which was unnecessa
Government—let it be taught to repose upon the con.'. small import, ry,
would produce a gross amount of L 338,000, which
also
fidence of the people, aqd it would repose in security. 1
ph was *7269 above the sum required for the charge of
1 h This was the firmest basis upon which any Govern-
debt and Sinking Fund for the year. The Right
merit could rest, "and therefore was it that he hailed
the present proposition as a good omen for Ireland. i Hon. Gentleman dlen concluded, by moving his Erg
lot, It was such a principle that had made this, country I Resolution, for the Increase of the Postage on Letters.
tin The first Resolution being put,
strong, and which, if extended, must make her 1
mu JOHN NEWPORT rose. He contended that
stronger, in the cordial co-operetions of a people 4S ' Sir
our A it was fuU time now in the tenth year of the union of
sincere as they were brave, and whose constancy no
m a system of sufferings had been able to shake. He ye-
' Great Britain with Irelands to look the actual stater.;
nta juiced that it was no longer thought a mistaken po- the latter country fairly in the face. He protested
.
rs ar against taking the comparison from the exact period of
licy to treat such a people with the same candour and
pane the Union, when the country had just emerged from
liberality that constituted the leading features of their ~
red t , a violent state of commotion, and maintain that az
national character. He had not been present when
3115 IA those Bills had been proposed ; if he had, he should nerd of peace, previous to the breaking out of the
Spa French Revolution, when none of these drawback:
have felt it his duty to have resisted them altogether,
Dainty operated, was the fair period from which to draw the
as unjust in principle, and most severe in operation. ;
would Mr. PONSONBY vindicated the Administretion ' comparison. In the year 1794. the amount of the
;ouras 1 debt of Ireland was only £1,642,tXX), and in January
rut the Duke of Bedford, and denied that that Noble ?y
nit litlBlo, it amounted to X 81,000,000. At the former
Personage had ever required the passing of the Acts i
at ha=period Ireland had no interest to pay in Great Bra-
in question. He added, dim there had been DO iPe
me Ju mighty effort at reform in the proposition of the Hon.
tarn ; at the latter she had to pay there interest to the.
n the amount of two millions and a halt'. Ever since the
Gentleman, as the Bills in question would have expi-
le East red that Sessions
1 year 1800 her debt had increased in a rati3 of 7to
.
he Sp: Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD stated, that Ise i 2, while her revenue, within the same period, had
T a sh:only increased in the proportion of 3 to '2, yet the (t-
-fore aloa had-been absent at the time of their original en-
di actment ; and that, had lie been in the House, he pence of management had increased nearly as sto 2.
) see th ! He was apprehensive the statement of the Right
would have opposed them.
the par Sir JOHN NEWPORT deferred the observations 1 Hon. Gentleman, as to the revenue of Ireland, pro-
the pre ceeded entirely on a fallacy. The exports of Ireland,
he meant to make upon the bills till they were brought '
rice to 1i in the year 1800, were 81,900,000 less than the year
into the House. At the same time, helleartily con-of toeand in the year 1810, were only klOO,OOO
cuffed in. the principle of any proposition which went 11794,
as those ( more than they had been at that period. To
to give the people of Ireland a fair and candid trial.
• are not The motion was then agreed to. expect an increase of half a million, therefore,
IRISH BUDGET.
a. He within the year, was rather too much. e was fa,
othing of Mr. FOSTER, the House having gone into the however, from wishing to represent Ireland as not
earn hoc highly productive, and as ministering, in a great de,
Committee of Ways and Means, rose to move the
od. - to the necessities of Great Britain. In grain,
Ways and Means towards raising the supply for Ire-igree,
;:w words land for the current year. He began by stating the ! particularly, the increase had exceeded all expects.
Holland. tion, and had been five times more than it had ewe
state of the finances as they stood at ;be beginning (4 ,
.POOL In equalled in any former year. Last year there had
the year. The Consolidated Fund of Ireland in .1:-
subject 2 nuary last amounted to 4'1,565,010. The balances
been impor:ed into this country from Ireland 782,000
sieved won for the last year amounted to A:46 i.,01)0 ;
the two- • quarters of oats, being seven-tenths of the whole
'
3LII mai dim ilia for this country. He proceeded to go through
seventeenths upon the joint charge for Great Britain .
Sicily, at ; the different items from which it was proposed to
and Ireland, he rated as amounting to R 6,106,000.
port such a the interest of the Loan, expressing his appro.
The surplus of the Consolidated Fund for tire present ,rake
hensions that they would not be equal to the desires
year-amounted to 81,47 8,000, of which the sum ap- ,
plicable to the service of the present year amounted . object. He alluded to the balances appearing to ho
' HOUSE OF COMMONS. to £311,000. The interest upon the debt and Sinking outstanding in the hands of dismissed and deceased
Mr. YORKF. took the oaths and his seat. Collectors of the Revenue, and contended that the
Mr. MARRYATI' presented a petition from certain Under. Fund, ire stated at d 3,974,000. The quota to be '
sums owing by these defaulters ought to be collected
writers in London, against the Insurance Bill, which was ordered paid by Ireland amounted to R6,61'1,000, Irish cur- .
to lie on the table. rency, or X 6,160000 English money. The Trea.: before Government put its hand say farther into the
The Navigable River Bill was read a third time and passed. sury Bills he stared as amounting to £s4l,oooarish : pockets of the people.
The Poor House Badge Abolition, the Bastard, and the Black Mr. SHAW (of Dublin) alluding to one of tau
Protection Bills, severally passed through the Committee, currency, or £.so3,ool)English. These, together !
names mentioned by the Hon. Baronet (Sir Joha
and their Reports were ordered to be received to-morrow. taken, made a supply amottuti.tg W El 1,129000.
TtieJudge Advocate's Postage, the Irish Malt Regulation, the To answer this, he now came to state to the Corn- 'Newport), as in arrears in his capacity of Collector,
British Fisheries Promotion, and the Flax Bounty Bills, were se- mittee the Ways and Mea=s, whereby
vcrally read a third time and passed. charges ; that offers had been made to pay whMaeould
The lion. Mr. POLE brought in two Billsookich were seve• raise tLis supply, Which were as follows ; File Re- '
' r... 4 be shewn to be actually. due ; butthat the widow and
rally read a first and second time, and ordered to be committed venue of a...and IA- 1
toe ~.1...,,,.-.11 year *Mounted to the
relations of the deceased collector alluded to, had been
for Friday next. sum ‘,l X 5,000,040 ; ,:-.;s ::e ,trted to be more than
Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD moved for leave to bring in •the Revenue of lac year !, half•Di
s- a million, the _is. advised that they might with equal justice be called
ed
a Bill for encouraging the Timber Plantations hi Ireland.-oe. on to pay the National Debt, as the balance chars
dered. 1. tilleries having fallen t r tett. amount • which defi-
Mr. FOSTER obtained leave to bring in a Bill for confirming Ciency had, hoe•ecer, iti er 2 measure, supplied
against them.
}expressedMr. W. POLE corrobo this statement, and
certain Agreements made between the Lords Commissionet sof by the dirties ripen ..!“.• :irritation of Foreign
the Irish I'reasurv, and Walter Earl of Ormond, respecting the Spirits dui in - t' •There were then tw t., i,.tt rit oi. 0 1
his opinion that ratedtalance alluded to was
Butlerag:: upon X'ities imitated into Ireland.
Sir JOHN NEWPOR.I' pledgulhims lfthe r
eto oppose con :rot- Loans, the ere a ill ,01 ~ :t9 A 3.339000. the other ; not dm'
Mr. POSTER, in proof that the Revenue w.as d
now
ins any pint of said agreement, that went to militate against did R 1,509,000 ; adding to he:.e Loans the Revenue I
t least strictly collected, thought it not aeu.ss tat
mercantile privileges of the City of IVaterfurd. of Ireland for the present year as stated at 85,b00,000 . a `nth of this month
the Flonse should know that on die 1- .
only
Colonel IN PARLIAMENT. —they, together I'. jib the other items, made a•
i the whole revenue due iii the Customs amounted
Colonel ALLEN yresented a Petition from the Inita74itants of ,total of Ei1,160,0a3 ; from which sum, ?tl e if I sup- I
to £l.- 000 of which there was remitted in two dais
the Town of Berwick upon TweLtl, complaining of a recent ex- : 1 '.fired be ill
p y re Le llcted, there remained an excess i" Exci,e the whole
ercitte of privilege on the part of the ilquse, and praying fur aafterwards £ll,OOO ; and in the • ,
Reform in Parliament.—Ordered toile on the table. of Ways and Means amount' It ta £31,000. He next in two days, them
sum due awns ie26,000, of which,
Mr. 10-IN SMI Ilt presented a Petition from the County and procee:led to state the flew Taxes which would be
• was remitted 5E22,000. So that there was not in ti,e
Town of Nottingham, praying for a Reform in the State tit the I appropriated solely to paying off 'the interest of tl
Repret,eutatiou.—Ordered to lie cm the table. ' I Debt. He was happy to be enabled to state that,
re
that, hands of the Collectors, tinder the present system,
of half a week's collection.
MAJOR CARTWRIGHT. more than the amount
explained.
the excess of the debt was less by £1.00,000 than
Mr. WHITBREAD presented a Petition from Major Cart: ' Si: J. Ni PORT .
Wright: -He stated that in the former Petition two pas: ages were ! the increase of the income. The Sinking Fun 3, '
Mr. A. BARING considered the practice of uni-
itionaiit objectionable. Of these the one had been altered, and : which was at first but one hundredth part of the debt,' formly raising, the Loan for Ireland in this country,
'the other the Petitioner did not mean to apply. The Petition was was now as one seventy-firstof '
and
part it ; there
then brought up, and the altered passages read. It began by eta- .unfunded Debt, a very grievous burden on die latter. It arose front
4 (mid he no SA • ve that of the.Cll4,ooo
tins, that " although it was not within the limits of the humanf those stroll exertions amongst the rest
the want c . . ig
language to accommodate itself equally to all parties upon the on the Treasury Bills. With respect to the Exports
i • fI • ountry ithich
landed and commercia interest o t lac c
same subject, yet that Petitioner conceived,that it could not be and Imports, 'he stated that they had wit decreased, lifted in England. The eon!E
were so strongly exemph
objected to him, his having thought that jar rice was obligatory though he admitted they had not increased. The
• sequence to be deprecated was, that in the course.t,
and not optional." It proceeded in the next passage to censure as Duties on Linens had decreased £400,000; this, how- imped commensurate scut
a flagrant illegality and outrage upon the liberty of the subject, the ever, hadtime, when taxation was
Ireland would feel that
forcible entry made by an Officer of that Honourable House into
the Irish debt, the people of
riti,li
the premises of Sir Francis Burdett, Bart. The Petition was then des. The Exports of Hides and Skins had de- then made only to pay B
such additions were . will
ordered to lie on the table. . creased, aod also Worsted and Yarn ; but the de- n that tio
creditors. Under the impressio . soot! his
RURAL OF IRISH INSURRECTION AND IRISH ARMS ; crease of the Export duties oil these articles sheaved countries, it was his
( I was to spare between the two d
PIIkVENTION BILLS. the increase of the manufacture of the raw materiallrish bidders
opinion that the terms offered by tine a
differeaci
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE rose to move for the at lmme. With respect to the imports, there would
Repeal of the Irish Insurrection and Arms Acts, be found to be an increase on the imports of raw ma- for raising the Loan, though there was
ought to oars
of a traction or so against the country,
passed in the year 1807. He stated that they-were terial, or Bride's manufacture, so that where the home
then enacted in furtherance of such an intention on manufacture was not benefited by the import of the been concluded.
observations from Mr. Foots
the part of the Administration that preceded the raw material,the benefited by
. empire WAS . the en-
and ~ ,
After some further
ions were agreed
i cur JOHN NEWPORT the resolutions
change of Government in that year. Ile had under- couraeement given to the English manufacture. lot-eived toonorrow,
! to, and the Report ordered to be rec
stood that the Duke of Bedford had declined the Irish thertohe had spoken • merely of the official value. In
DROITS OF ADMIRALTY.
Governnient, unless these laws had been enacted. the year 1800, the real value ofthe t orts of Irish since the papa cs 23.
r()wsomxp.TIERNEY stated, that
of _
ose ,_,
considering them .as essential to the maintenance of manufacture amounted in 1800, to i Mr'
teining the amount and appropriation th
to
nr_ll
tranquillity in Ireland. He (Mr. Pole) believed the i a,-,1,- millions ; :;rid it} the years 1808 and 1809, or; the I
was now upon the table, he should, according _ l';`__
situation of Ireland, at thatoime, to have been such 1 average of both, the export duties amounted to 121
• 11 the attention of the House to the subject. kite,.."re
as to have justifie
d the necessity of such a measure. 'millions. Here was an increase of from nine millions . ca ence of tn
not disposed to defer his motion in consequ
rod
action
It was, however, but a dormant power—for it had to twelve in less than nine years. The ratio of inns ' since the p ac
_ . .
very short time that had elapsed s to Lb°
never been called into exercise in any one instance. British ex • ports in the same period, was in the same had nothing to wanted
during the administration either of the Duke of Bed- progression. In 1800, 40 milli ns ;in 1802, 48 mil- aof that paper, because he , to
ql. Droits of Admiralty generally, but 0111,,
eshiba,l
ford or the Duke of Richmond. Such a tenderness lions ; in 1808 •
-9, upon the average of both, 45 and •
spew what a tl;on.aeat's inspection viOniu
had there been evinced for the liberif of the subject. 5O
. .
_,..1

axes, take up much of their time, as other oppor-
anities would occur ; but he must say a word re-
specting the policy of this country towards South
America, as he had lately seen a declaration circu-
-led, he believed by the Consul General, by which
appeared as if different laws are to be passed with
respect to Old Spain, and Spanish America. This
-as a point to which he wished to call the attention.
Government. Some persons were wild enough to
:sire the total separation of Spanish America from
,hat is called the Mother Country. That was a kind
policy which he thought would be most unfair and
mjust in this country to encourage. It had been re-
:ommended in pamphlets, but he knew not by what.
authority. Whatever might have been- the errors
aid sins of the late Supreme Junta, they had done
sway all differences between the Spaniards of North .
Lnd South America and the East Indies, and declar-
d the colonies a part of the Spanish Empire ; and
lad given them still further a share in the national
!presentation. He therefore thought it peculiarly
acumbent on Ministers to see that no seeds ofsepa-
ration were sown between the parent country and the
colonies at a period like the present.; but that they
bould use all their influence to preserve to the colo-
iists their full equality of condition. By so doing
-e should best keep up in those colonies the spirit of
-esistance by which they are now animated against
:he Usurper :icing Joseph. He also hag to remark,
hat the message said nothing of subsidies to foreign
woofers, and wished to learn how it was intended 13y
ilinisters to be understood.
Earl GREY said a few words in concurrence with
he sentiments of Lotd Holland.
The Earl Of LIVERPOOL said that Government
lad taken a view of the subject alluded to by the No-
;le Baron which he believed would be found correct.
The Earl of SUFFOLK made wine remarks on
wretched state of Sicily, and the uselessness of
sending money to support such a system, as prevailed
here.—Adjourned.

ci the
) then
of tte.e
ad, at
rge of
I. pa
Indred
eratet
cas,e*
soboes
100,001
18,0 co
61,00,
that ne
iject to
use, the
n Eng.
[and.—
terns of
:essary,
, which
arge of
Right
his first
Letters.
led that
anion of
state of
rowed
)eriod of
ed from
I that an
t of the
wback:
draw the
at of the
January
e former
reat Bra.
est to the.
since the
►of 7 to
od, had
A the ca-
ts 5 to 2.
to Right
and, pro.
Ireland,
the year
C 400,000
od. Tu
therefore,
WAS Cif,
nd as not
great de,
In grair.,
I expects,
had eree
there had
1782,000
he whole
nthrough
posed to
is appro.
e desires
ng to leo
deceased
that the
collected
T into the
le of the
(Sir John
Collector,
n .ald star•
eOticoul.l
widow and
1, had been
be called
•P charted