Star.
London, England, 1819-05-15 00:00:00

PENRYN BRIBERY BILL.

The House having gone into a Committee on this
Bill, Thomas Trela e was called in, and examined
Sir CHARLES BURRELL. The witness was acquainteii
with electionsactions in Penryn. There had been
a strong party in favour of Sir Manasseh Lopez.
Meetings had been held in his favour.
Does the witness zt-coilect attending on Sir Manasseh Lopez,
with a statement of the numbers that would vote for him?

Mr. R. MARTIN objected to this question. as it
might criminate the witness.
Sir CHARLES BURRELL, (the witness having
been ordered to withdraw) contended that no witness
could criminal himself by evidence in that House,
since it wOulebe a violation of the privileges of lit
House to make any use of that evidence elsewhere.
Mr. BROGDEN (the Chairman) said, that there
could be no doubt of the power of the Committee to
put any question it chose ; but the Committee wg

, exercise its clacretion in using that power. The ee.-
ing of the Committee seemed to be, that the question
should be answered.—(Hear, hear.)
The witness was called in and informid of thin de•
cision. He answered the question in the negative.
In what terms did the witness convey to Sir M. Lora
tie
number that was ready to vote for him ?—I suppose 1 haw 0
right to answer that question.
Mr. 11..MART1N (the witness having been ordrel
to withdraw? urged several objections to this qub-
don, as tending to criminate himself.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT argued, that examinatiLr4
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thete !aria from eTeVilitl**Eitilitiflit gtlf
e'ce there obtained was Opt opoltecbte in, ant- overt
of Justice. The committee eieteised awinquisitorial
°„ni not .t judicial power... The witness could not cri-
„,ieate himself by his inswprs before the 03Mmittee.',
BROGDEN repeated, that the right was in.'
disputable; the only question was as to the discretion
of the committee,
31r. R. a:mtencieiv iitat
MARTIN although the
;mess could not legally criminate biiltselg yet he
:.,11t not to be pressed to give answers that might
!get his character in society. • .
qr. W.ll~TNNstated, that ',nothing'. could be'
clover than the right of putting,the question. The
might at the Lame time to be told that he was
CL:CT the protection of the House.
31,.. G. LAMB was of opinion, that if such an ob-
.ectie„ were sustained, it would destroy the inquisi-
tor; ~owei. of the House. With respect to what au
able Member had said of evidence giveothete
the witness's character in society, such a
:Ilion would contract too much tbA
,poWer of
0., licast in obtaining evidence. In taiiiiming such
2 w•i:gs„ who seemed toframe his answers so as to
evaj= the question, no consideration of that kind
t‘i operate. If the witness did 'not answer, the
(..,:-ne.;ttce must feel called upon to puniih him for
5„.%. conduct ; but this ought lot toberviiously
him.
NI.IItTIN wished it to be .mentioned to the
LH it was at his discretion whether he an-
tl.e. g0...5h00 or not;-i-f 110.1 the

.;t)iiN NEWPORT thought the 'witness was

:0 insn•er.

sinless was called in, and told that he Was.
ni otection of the HF.use.
he said, state the terms in which he had spoken
0.. e of the Candidates. lie had never said that's
•;. pi the }lectors Would vote for Sir M.' M. Lopes
ry consideration. He had, however, said, that Mr
e ,111C1 carry kis seat if he came down. The wit-
i: he ii,:ver said that tuonetwoildiw given? sod
he could sot deny but that money was mention-
It i^fir If he had stated the sum. requisite?
• he had, and that he had mentioned a couple of
which was to be dititied.esnoug £3) persons.
t Eli, •ant was sufficient, at least to influence 100
fot causidezed a present of 24 guineas to each

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, il.Liams and Mr. MARTIN put several ques-
:, ts) this witness, the answers•to which were of
re) int..,req In ihe Publics •
was the next witness called.

id he wls an Attorney, and acquainted with what took
fa. But tragll Election of Cornwall. He had heard the
used at these Elections, and knew that it
It a certal-.: allowafiee to Electors for their support. 'fht
ult of :Ile allowance was 24 guineas to every Elector, if be
wzr,t for two Members.
Dv witness being asked if any Candidate, in his opinion,
have any chance of being returned for the Borough,
e:;‘,:x.e. money 2 taid, he believed not—not much; be :night
kr, an charier, r.l chance at all-&-(e laugh). He also stated,
Ae the Furholders in the adjoining hundreds, to whom the
r!ln suffrage is proposed to be extended, amount to NIKO
right ermine hundred in number.
The neat witms examined 4as Edward Butt, Edi.

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for 1. a C.)rn,wall Paper called The West Briton.
i .ted, that about the beginning of June last, Mr. Sewell
;, • . 1•• • house, accompanied by a Gentleman who was intro-
C,. •• by the name of Mr. Anderson. They conversed
rdirg the ensuing Election at Penryn, and asked
'rd any objections to insert certain paragraphs
• II? He replied that be had none, provided
were inserted as statements of the parties, and
• ..n of his own. They appeared contented with
s,,ant. Some time in de fellowing July, after the
1. sad closed, he retested a message at his house, inform-
-14, u... that a Gentleman at the Red Lion. Hotel desired to see
b-c immediately. He went to the Red Lion in consequence,
and there he found the Gentleman who had previously been in-
troduced to him as Mr. Msderdon. He had a long converse-
ton with that Gentleman; as he was quite certain that the par-
e:ohm of it were intended to be private, he threw himself upon
the candour of the Herne, and hoped that they would not com-
pel him to disclose them.
Sir C. RuitRELL said, that if' they related to the
Penryn Election, he certainly roust press the witness
to repeat them.
The witness then replied, that the conversathin most certainly
a:iodate to the Penryn Election ; and that he would state the
canenstanees as they occurred, since suck w. s the pleasure of
tie Home. Mr. Anderdon told him, that he had a statement
c.l fun regarding the Election, which he was very desirous to
lure published, and asked whether he (Mr. Butt) would publish
than to his Piper? He (Mr. Butt) replied, that he would do
it. wader the restrictions which he had previously proposed--
11M saticilA Mr. Audetdon, and in consequence a statement
via drawn asp, and inserted in the ?Feat Briton of 26th July last.
be wittuss added, that he had the Paper which contained it in
Ls hand, and that, with the permission of the House, he would
reLl it to them. It was to the following effect :—" A Corre-
eredent informs us, that after an arduous struggle of three
weeks, Sir C. Hawkins and Mr. Swann have been elected Mem-
I:zi fur the Borough of Penryn. Mr. Andcrdon was supported
le tome staunch friends, and would certainly have gained the
41.1md he not been deserted by some of those who had pro-
ltitel him their support. When it was known that he was un•
Lacteal, the teem which bedewed the faces of his friends were
what're never recollect to have seen before-----(A loud lough
frosik these.) The next day he spent in returning thanks to
that who had sppported him; after which he departed for Lon-
Ces bet not till he had addressed the Electors in an able speech,
adehevidently came from the heart, and which was delivered
ir•th all the spirit and feeling of an Englishman--(Latighter.)—e
le air resounded with the tearful acclamations of his friends--
(4ien.), who, we are informed, have good reason to expect
'l4,__( though Sir C. Hawkins and Mr. Swann are returned to Par-1
me or other of them wilt not prove to be the sitting
'416.a." The paragraph concluded by asking the following
'll43tln:--3 If, then, Mr. Anderdon has gained by his conduct
tiring tills election the esteem even of opponents, what must
he the fa.morable Opinion which his friends have formed of his
'ner'ar—(orseistseed rani:tee.) The witness then proceeded-.-
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this occasion he had a conversation of two hours with Mr.
-1,-t;rtdon, who endeavoured to shew him that he had decisive
a( bribery having been practised by his opponents, and
• stated that it was impossible for them to vove any such
-;a7.i.nst him, as be had had nothing to do with any such
and Ai his friends had acted with the utm:st cau-
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•. • •rephed,' continued the wftness, " that there was :mbody
•••trr tJe borough of Fenryn, bit must be aware there was a
t.f.paiJ before or after the election for every vote that was given."
• ;70.7. Anderdoa) answered this observation, by saying, that
lu;• had dune he was perfectly safe, and by alio adding,
727 l'e 0'.•.0.:1d feel himself bound &Mr any engagements
hal been contracted with the s, either by himself
Idly or through the medium of his agents. The witness
• 0r...er0.11.t. withdrion
,t'•,:r.twing, Mr. G. GRANT said. that as he did not
Mr. Anderdoneto public ridical:, he should
7 the conteuu cf the paper which the last witness had
ti, paid not be Late, -d upon the Journals. Thiaappearing
• tl't g, a,;al of the Conamita, the short-hand 'writer
erase that;part of the wituess's evidence.
1,,. WAS called to authenticate the eopies of certain re-
A'sdlt.ll 'A part of the Electors had entereti into, Its order
Mr. 31vatiii',, interest. •
" iikhardi was =lied in cad elaroined by Mr. Rot,.
Le was Mayor of Penryn •' had eatnrass4d the town
Ric Mr. ALdertion, and he believedthat aAIr. Andevion neither
nor zffered,teancy to any Elector. lie Uid not believe
ar v
y }:lectur rap to be remunerated by Mr. Atderdon
l
ay vote be may have given. Mr. Anderdases directions to
vet; not to hold out any each expectation.
IL; Cl=ntle:4AX was then desired to report pro-

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which
. Corporations of Ireland,
a a that shld
have beet preceded by a notice which raHveouse, no Idea of itsit objecout ;
the notice, as it stood in the paper, referring merely to a inee.
Stire tespecting the Mimufecturing classes.
Mr. li. MAR'tIN observed, that illr notice was given in the
usual way of general description.
. Mr. V. BLAKE denied that his motion went to subvert thy
Original constitution of the Corporations, but, on the contrary, to
restore it.
Sir J. STEWART objected to the !potion, on the ground
that it went to make the admission of Catholics Imperative in
the Corporations.
• • Mr. J. Shl ITT I said it was discretionary With the Honoura-
ble Member, whether he would sire any notice or not, but sug-
.gested that he should withdraw it until there; was a fuller at-
tendance.

Mr. V. BLAKE consented to withdraw his motion. •
Mr. MANSFIELD moved for Lave to bring in a Bill to pre-
vent Frauds and Abuses in the Manufacture of Stockings.
After a few observations front Mr. PARES in support of the
motion, leave was given.
Mr. MANSFIELD immediately bromlit in the Bill, which
was read a first time, and ordetcd to be read a seeood time on
Thursday next, ar.d to be printed.
The Witnesses already examined on the Penryn Election,
were ordeted lo he discharged.
N r. V. BLAKE gave notice, that on Monday, he woldd move
for lave to bring in a Bill to explain anti amend the Aet of the
33d of the Xing, to provide fix the more emy.awertihn of thti
'tight-, of Roman Catholic Tudpsinsgt Itleporations.—Ad—
journed at Twelve &Clock. '• •

Mr.ENING STAti,

alttkiricr tie-Hi/FM; being letutnect, it was a'cleied•
at the. Ocaliftietitiofira tit on Mond Mr. V. lIIATOS inhVed for tea* to bring pI sEili to %Wight!
the 354 of the King, with a flow etvprovidittg flik snore•easp
assertion of* right aitholles to become Freemen in IreAsod•
He observed. that thoggh tbye.flill •of 1793 rendefed Cagiolics
ellebla,' the practice ormost of the Corporate ToWns fecluided
them from the benefit. • The object of the present at was to
enjoret the right thus granted.
Si' GI HIM, expressed his sotvrise that a motion which %won
to alter the eabt,t,g laws of the several Corporations of Ireland,
should be brought forward in so thin a House, and that it should
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