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country; it-would be some compensation if she were
now found to alleviate our charges--(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served, that on former occasions of a similar nature,
Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox had made no inquiry into the
foreign receipts of any of the Royal Family.
Mr. BROUGHAM replied, that if Mr. Fox had
lived to see the country so burdened as at present,
his conduct in that respect would have been different.
Mr. PROTHEROE proposed that the question
should be postponed till to-morrow evening. He
conceives) this to be a: question of very great impor-
tance, and therefore thought that there should be a
call of the House for Friday, the 24th instant, in or-
der to Insure the attention of Members to every stage
of the inquiry. If the question were fairly and at
once put to the House, he was certain that it would
meet with a decided negative : but as attempts might
be made to accommodate and compromise matters,
he thought it important to have a full attendance of
Members. He felt it, therefore, necessary to move
for a call of the House on Friday, the 24th.
A call of the House for that day was ordered ac-
cordingly.
ISSUE OF GOLD AND SILVER COINAGE.
Mr. J. P. GRANT moved for an Account of the
Gold Coinage during the year 1817, distinguishing
the number of sovereigns and half-sovereigns ; also
of the Silver Coinage during the same period, disc
ruishing the number of crowns, half-crowns, sh
lings, and sixpences. He moved at the same time
for the total number of the gold and silver coined,
which was given to the Bank of England, and of
\he number otherwise disposed of. A third object of
his motioa was the market price of standard gold in
bars, and the course of exchange of Hamburgh,
Lisbon, and Paris during the same period. —Ordered.

CHARGES ON THE CONSOLIDATED FUND.
Mr. TIERNEY made some observations respecting
the Consolidated Funds of this country and Ireland,
and said, he should move for an Account of the Ex-
traordinary Charges upon the Consolidated Fund,
from the sth of April to the sth of July, 1818. He
could shew by these accounts, that instead of a sur-
plus of revenue, there was a deficiency of three mil-
lions and a half? on the sth of January. He conclu-
ded by moving for an account of the extraordinary
charges on the Consolidated Fund from the sth of
April to the sth of July, 1818, and of the Exche-
quer Bills issued to meet those charges.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXC HEQUER said,
it would be more correct to move for the sum raised
by Exchequer Bills to make good the charges upon
the Consolidated Fund. The Right Honourable Gen-
tleman had said, that in the months of November
and December, 1816, the whole number of Bills for
three months had been issued, and therefore that a!
month had been provided for beyond the sth of Ja-
nuary, 1817 ; and that the redemption of debt o
the sth of January last, had referred only to a pe-
riod of eleven months. But the redemption was for
twelve months, and consequently there could be no'
grourd for such an inference.
Mr. TIERNEY said, the Right Hon. Gentleman
had himself stated it to be for thirteen months, he
now called it only twelve months ; he therefore ad-
mitted that there was a mistake of one month. By
the accounts snored for he should shew, that instead
~of having got three millions out of debt, we had
*gone three millions and a half the other way, and had
at raet gone half a million into debt.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that his representation remained still unimpeached.
[ Mr. TIERNEY reminded the Right Hon. Gentle-
'man that he had said nothing of the Consolidated
Fund of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
.not prefared to enter upon that subject, and that he
wished it to be postponed.
Mr. IIERNEY agreed to postpone his motion.
Mr. GRENFELL, in consequence, put of his mo-
tion connected with the same subject.
BANK NOTE FORGERIES.

Sir SAMES MACKINTOSH said, there was an
unaccour.table delay in making a return of the pro-
secutions for forgeries on the Bank of England in
terms of his motion of the 214.11 of February last.
There was another motion for the number of Mint pro-.
secutions. If the return was not printed, he took that
opportunity of moving that it be rinted.—Ordered.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
pressed his surprise that no return should have been
made.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said that no return
had been made, so far as he could learn.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro-

mised to make inquiry.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, there was a
third motion, which the Right Hon. Gentleman had
promised to assist him in aming ;he begged the
favour of him to inquire into that also.
Mr. MANNING inquired at what time the motions
were made, and what was their object?
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH answered, that the
motion to which no return was made had been agreed
to on the 24th of February. It called for a Return
of the Prosecutions for Forgeries for 14 years, pre-
Feeding and following the restriction in 1791;' and for
?he time since the termination of the latter period.
• Mr. W. SMITH said, this was a subject that called
for the attention of the House. It often happened
that five out of six who ought to make returns, made
their returns at once; but that they could not be laid
before the House, as the sixth made no return.
Mr. BENNET said, that there was much blame
attached to the mode of presenting returns. It had
cost him three good days of hard labour to sum up
the returns of persons sent to Botany-Bay.
ARTILLERY TROOPS.
Mr. BENNET now begged to say to the Right
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. R. Ward) that the more
he inquired, the more certain he was that there never
existed a case of greater hardship than that of Ar-
tillery Officers. The Right Honourable Gentleman
had stated, that eight troops had been discharged,
and four retained. The fact was this :—Of the 12
troops, six were discharged in 1814, and the other
six were retained till 1818. Out of the six troops,
four now remained. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man had said, that of two battalions in Ireland, one
had been discharged before the Union, and one bat-
talion had the option of half-pay, or of entering into
the British service. He now asked only for the same
option, and if his statement was correct, instead of
500,0001.50,0001. would be the whole expense. He
should make no motion on the subject, but he should

take a future opportunity of proposing a gate
to
th
amount required He asked for full pay onJ fw
twttrrrP Lord COCHRANE could not theadmitajon u
jasticee
the claim now advanced, and was of opi
proper course had been pursued by Ministers, 4„t A.. 411
the present circumstances of the country. y,
of the petitioner, however, was peculiar; ::,,Calet.
conduct in saving a whole brigade of sir "
army certainly entitled him to reward. It u„°nrei,:2
a cruel case if he should be denied that ad „„-"`
viz. of receiving full pay, which was co'
so many officers who had never rendered any
at all. He regretted much to witness the
that was generally shewn to the rights of in51i,41,7
and thought it as much the duty of the Ilnu
st
tend to claims of this nature as to the dignityt°
splendour of the Royal Family.
Lord CARHAMPTON could not help ' tri •
that he was in a strange place, or that IL,1„„,. °1
very strange was going on about him. He „:,7y
the one hand, some Honourable Members dests'-;
their places near himself, and instead of vi-eecil°,
resisting demands founded on usurpation, absane%
ransacking the Estimates, in order to find preteatn
for additional expenditure. He was perfectly aea.
nished, on the other hand, at the ea:crimes am
contained in those various papers which t.l.e Henna.
able Member opposite, on a former night, had s 6,
witted to their „consideration. The sum of Qat
repairing the harbour of Portsmouth, might, 44
opinion, be safely reduced to 4001. Tat expense of
this department had increased, was iacreasiag, aid
ought to be diminished. He firmly belierea, fax
England a reduction of one half might beef-et:ea
and its Ireland of two-thirds. lie had himseif
the appointments of Adjutant-General, and of Can.
'mander-in-Chief, in that country. At that timeline
were three Engineers employed, and he then those*
there was one too many ; but Ireland had sow me
less than thirteen—(hear, hear). He would mien
opportunity of hereafter shewing, of his own k
ledge, that this was the only place for Luigi:gm
Reduction—(hear, hear).
Mr. ROBERT WARD would rot now ezterara
a discussion which would be much more 5•44 •
rily entertained when the measure should came is
the shape of a regular Bill before the licnse. lk
could not now positively state whether the amorist
of the arrear would be 50,000/. or 20,000/. bat
would pledge himself to make good all his mbar
statements. The Noble Lord who spoke last hal
certainly availed himself of a fair opportu:ity
making his observations; but he must say, in ma.;
that the subject had been so amply discussed, ,•
only in that House, but by Committees above stiii
that he felt it unnecessary to offer any reply. 11
Noble Lord would suggest to him any racticahle
retrenchment, he should most willingly accept
suggestion. With regard to the vote of 40001
the repair of the damage don: by the late toms
'Portsmouth, he admitted, that, in point of legal.
rite, notice ought to..have been given of this age
tiopal item in the Estimates. The Report, hOlteret,
on which the application to Parliament was fourisd,
represented the immediate necessity of the repair,
'and it was upon
,this consideration that the cc.
had heen dispensed with. If the House, home,
should he of opinion that this font of proceeding
wasoecessary, he was willing to withdraw :he Roo*
lution for the present
Aftia a few words from Mr. BENNET, the no-
lutions were agreed to, and read a se:cad time.
SANK OF ENGLAND NOTES.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH rose, in consetpu
of the priority given to the unforunate nctice stick
stood for to-morrow (this day) relative to the ccet
ration of the Royal message, to postpone bis moms
for returns of the number of prosecutions and •
victions of the crime of forging the notes of
Bank of England, since the first act of restrictica
the year 1797, till Friday next
POLICE OFFICERS.
On the Order of the Day for the second reading,
the Offenders Conviction Reward Bill being real,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL stated his dem'
mination to oppose the further progress of the'
lie was of opinion that some stimulus shad
given for the apprehension of criminals, whiduadd
only be done
-by holding out rewards to than.
excitement to men placing themselves in ante
apprehending offenders, would be done assay it
Honourable Gentleman's Bill were to pass. He se
rather wish to see a discretionary power lodged
the Judge, to give or to withhold the rewards
cases where they are given by Acts of Parliament,
Upon this principle he opposed the second muting('
the Bill, wishing that a Bill should be brought
abolish the certainty of rewards.
Mr. WM. SMITH expressed his hopes that
Bill should be read a second time ; while in the
mittee it could be accommodated to the
Lam'
the Learned Gentleman, the Attorney-Generat.
opposition of the Learned Attorney-General,
ceded to, would seem to cast a slur on the print
of the measure of his Honourable Friend, and
prudence in introducing it. And surely if ever
man was entitled to approbation for his exer6.ea
that subject, it was his Honourable Friend (!h.
net)--(hear).
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had •
wish to press the opposition to the second teatimes'
with the understanding, that his object could t,
tained in the Committee by amendment.
Mr. BENNET confessed he felt himself rather
an awkward situation, in having to oppose himself
a question so connected: with the jurispruderxe s
country, with a Gentleman of the acknowleird ih
fessional character of the Learned AttorneY
But he still could not admit that his views outbec
nuance of those rewards, on conviction of off'
at all weakened by what had been advancedthat,-
-It could not be said that he had adopted thera
slight grounds. Every Gentleman of a very men
Committee Committee had concurred in the conviction
necessity of abolishing them. Such was ah
opinion of the Police Magistrates, and even
Police Officers who had been examined before
And what reason did the latter give for that
tion ? They said, that they felt the necessit
the manner in which Officers were treated by
in consequence of these rewards, that they came
Court with mill-stones round their necks, and I
while these rewards were continued they were
posed to the odious appellation of Blood Money
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