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waling to repeal the laws affecting Roman Catbo •
tics if thq made the same derivations which they
were now willing to make. He could not [talkie
,that
h wasis the spirit of that doctrine of peace and good
will to mankind, which the Renames preached on
earth, acrimosionsly to oppose a measure calculated IV
lead to peace and good will, and to prevent the evils of
a civil war.
The Earl of ELDON assured the Right Reverend
Prelate, that if any thing he had said had given him
rain, he regretted it very much. Indeed, if he thought
he had dime so; the reflection wield, give hlm even
more pain than the Right Rev. Prelate himself could
have experienced. With regard to the opinion of Locke,
he world ask the Right Rev. Prelate to read that great
mans work on toleration over again; and when be bad
done so,let him declare whether Locke did not expressly
say, that the principles of the Roman Catholics were
Inch as rendered them unfit for toleration?
The Bishop of NORWICH—I admit that it it so.
But if the Noble and Learned Lord would cart filly '
*sad the whole passage, be would find that the sentimeat
expressed by Locke fully justified the opinion which I
have stated. Locke founded his argument on the alle-
gation that the Roman Catholics would not keep faith
with heretics ; and I ask whether, if be were now alive, be
%would begoided by such an exploded doctrine?

The Earl of RLDON—I have over amid over again said to this
Moose, and I maintain it, that Mr. Lucie held that the opinions of
the Roma* Catholics were not to be tolerated.
The Bishop of NOR WICH—Yes, sty Lords, the °Riotous which
they held at that pertud.
The Duke of ATHOL said, that though as zealous
a member of the Church of England as any Noble Lord
in that Hour, he should support this measure. When
he saw so much firmness, so mach activity, and so
tnueblinion, in the present Government, he was deter-
mined to stand by them. The great majority of those
who tepresented the interests of Scotland in that and in
the otter House Of Parliament were in favour if the Bill.,
The opposition to it in that country was, he had no
doubc,oecasioned by misrepresentation. The best elite.
Finn by which to judge of the wishes of thepeople of
Scotland was the opinion expressed by their Representa-
tives in Parliament. At his age he could not expect to
live to see the good eft' cis of the Bill, but there were
many cf their Lordships who should; and he felt con-
fident that many who now opposed the measure would
ere long look back to their opposition with feelings very
differet t horn those they now entertained.
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The Ent of ABINGDON said he considered the
Bill au infringement of the Constitution. He did
not wish to say any thing disrespictful of Roman Ca.
(holies. There wete many of them for s bons heenter-
tained great respect and esteem, but he had a public
duty to discharge, with which he could not allow any
private feelings to interfete. Fur the Noble Duke at
'the head of his Majesty's Government, for the consum-
mate skill' and talent with which be had served the'
country, he felt the deepest gratitude, but hecould not
go along with him io this measure. For twenty
years be bad supported the Government, but had
such a measure as this been proposed at an earlier
period, the country could not possibly have gone sac
cessions; through the struggle in which it was engaged.
He should wish to know bow the Noble Duke would
act if the Pope sent over his troops here to drive the
Pusestant Bishops from their seats in that House? It
%soul. be very strange if the Nsible Duke, «ho was
making Such rapid strides in advancing Popery t..
power, should at last end his days in a Popi b cage.
He should not wonder if the Bill had the effect of se-
parating the Church from the State. and the Monarch
from his people. Mader the present system they had
enjoyed she twatest ftaedomwf may canary upon earth.
they bad enjoyed blowiest of a rational religion. of a
wise and rational policy, and he was unwilling to con-'
sent to any chaoge'bj which bethought such blessings
could be endangered.
Lad MII7DLETON said he bad always opposed
measures of this kind; and as he was determii.ed to
support the third reading of the Bill, he hoped their
Lordships would permit bias shortly to state the sea-
sons by which he was influenced. He must candidly
coulees that he had been convinced by the arguments
he heard in support of the Bill. He did sat care whe-
ther he incurred the censure of one side or the other.
He should give as conscientious and as independent a
vote as any man in that House. He yielded to, no man
in independence. Fot the Lord Lieutenant of the county
of th.ttinglians (the Duke of Newcastle) be entertained
the highe-t respect; but upon this question he could
not concur in his sentiments. He must say. however,
that he was not quite satisfied with the securitea pro-
vided in the Bill.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said, he wished to say
a few words on the third :fading of this Bill. His
opioion, on it remained unchanged. After all that bad
been said, he felt still convinced that it was utterly in-
consistent with the principles of the C..nstitution, and
w•th the secutity of the Protestant institutions of this,
country. Was it to be supposed that any men who ve.
vended the Constittriou could have come down to the j
House and
jpioposed a measure of this nature grounded
solely stron distusbances in lieland, and the ennw-1
qu• nces to which they might ultimately lead? Whet,'
once peruses who roust. horn tie vet, name of things,
be hoolle to the Protestant religion,_ mete in.roduced
into year and the other House of Parliament—when
OnCt they o ele sendeied eligible to the highest offices
of State, these was an end to a Pr( testant Parliament
and a Protestant Govetunient. He misted their Lord•
,n.p. would pardon bias for again trespassing °kitten
attenti is, but he felt strongly on the question. He must
again repeat, that Ministers had deceived the country.
Tile EAt I co ItODEN said he could not content
him-
self with giving a silent vase upon this.questibn—the
mist imimrtant that could be broucht before 'Paha-
n.ent. For 18 years, dining which he oat in•that and
ii e other House of P•rliareeist, he had invariably op-
posed utast were ceded she Catholic-Clair'''. It bad
been (wet his opinion that no effectual 'cooky could'
po,sihly be given to the Priitettant Church and Prntet-
twit Consijeut.on but by the:eggs:ion of Catholi.s from'
cavil poet". With: this opinion. he came to the moo.
sidera ion of the question, when at the opening of the
4eation it was reeouitnendedto, the attention Was lianserif
in the Si rech from the Pursue. tie then etidenvoated
divest litinasli sf All former•feeliosss all- former P"..16E4
dices, and to see whether he could discover any
gr. nods for attains his opinions. Alter such delibers,
lion, and inch inqunies. he was, (101, free to confess that
be saran) reason tochanse any of his foamier opinion&
Nothing .which he bad ystrheard eonvinced him that
these would be less danger now in concession than they?
was .14 bealast the subject was pader tbejcqnsisieratima
Of their loadships. tie diftiergd entirely from &Owl
who thought that theceametpeacaof the measure maid
be to give peace to Ireland. A momentary tpilte. might
be produced by it, bet it could not deprive the &MINI
Catholic! Priv. at:power "Isiah abet elow-sololed
and continued to cousin. He beliffeettahat,•wborciedi
riatifitoseld-have the (bet of • teemed% the SUlign'
bee of _Protestants has inland. -No .penee -could
passe& hive that the tamean. Cethelies of the pee.,
bent d did -sot -tittedais the lase objects aid the
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same opinions as they did is 1668, Ha liead
sough in Ireland co know that the measure
not satisfy the Roma Catholics. He was-told so bp
themselves. They declared so openly and maoftillyr
and he honoured them foe it. It was well and truly
observed by a Noble Lord opposite in the cosreetifshie
discussion, that there were other Catholic questiensime.
'hind this; and be bad no doubt that the revenues ei.
Protestant Church of lieland was the neat question they
weuld hive to consider.. He was well aware that the
Church Establishment if Ireland and of England too,
were human institutions; and that, like all human iasti.
unions, they were liable to error and to change; be
must, however. express his regret at the line of observe.
'ion pursued by some °Meals htßev.Bench, who denied
that Papists were idolators, and contended that these
was very little difference bitweeo the Protestant and the
Catholic religion. He expected very different seotinseets
from the Right Rcv. Bench. He read in history that
some churches when raised in wealth and power bad
forgotten *heir first love. He hoped that was not the
cue in this instance. After all the consideration ha
could give this question, the conclusion to which he came
was, that ao security could be effectual but eaclusion• It
they once determined to break down the existing ban iers,
the doors of the Constitution could not be thrown too
widely open.

To tbe Noble Duke at the bead of the Gb-

velemen4 aada Right Hon. Friend of his Mr. Peel) in the
mho House of Pridla menfthe g a ve credit for the goodness
of their intention,. It any thing could reconcile him to
the Bill, it was that it contained no recognition of the
Roman Catholic Clergy, or any pecuniary-provision tor
them. He tru,ted that a British Parliament would

never consent to pay a body of men for teaching a doc-
trine which was declared to be idolatrous and supersti-
tious. Hecould not sit down wi.hout congratulating the
Noble Lords opposite on the victory they had gained.
Oss this subject he had always opposed their views.—
lit hi:moored thrm for their perseverance, nor was he
disposed to pluck one laurel from their brow. But
Atom' all, his praises were due to a Noble Earl
opposite (Grey) for his consistency in • support of
this question at a time when he aims WI almost
single upon the benches opposite. That Noble Earl, in
allusion to his advancing life, had said. in the Miroe of
a former discussion, non eadem itas, won eadas *sou,
but he trusted that many years were yet in reserve for
him to benefit the country by his talents, his integrity,
and his virtues. He would now conclude by protest-
ing against this measure as a sacrifice old* Protestant
Commotion in Church and &ate, to a temporary con-
venience—(Hear).

The Bishop of LICHFIELD contended that the Bill might be
passed without any danger to the Established Church.
The Earl of FALMOUTH lose and said, that he
bad no intention of attempting to follow the Right
Reverend "Prelate throughout the whole of his argu-
ments. But he could not refrain from remarking, on
this concluding stage of the Bill, on the rapidity
with which it had been pressed forward. It bad
now been in the House only nine days, a period
rhorter than had on any tonna occasion been allowed
to intervene before the second reading. -In nine days
they bad completed the destruction of a work, the cre-
ation of which had engaged the talents and exertions;
for a protracted period.of the greatest men this country
had ever known. This measure was more denuded
f securities than any for the same purpose which
had ever been offered to Parliament. And what was

the state of the country ? Let them look at their debt
—let them look at the state of their agriculture, iii.au-
taciures, and commerce—and let them then ask them-
selves if. in the complicated and precirious situation in
which they stood, they could ietthotit danger impair
the attachment of a large proportion of the Remised
people of the empire to the instnutions of their country ?
-One argument which had been considered particularly
c'tsgent,and eh quent he coul4:not but notice.- It bad
been said That the Protestant 'and Catholic soldiers lived.
in the same tent, fought in the same trenches, and laid
their heads in the same grave, and therefore the inle.
recce he supposed was, that the Catholic was as good as
die Protestant religion, and its professors equally quali-
fied fur the highest political p Aver. By the same argu•
ment he would prove just the same thing with respect
to Mahonsedans and Hindoos. The sense of this Pro.
tenant people was decidedly opposed to the measure,
and the proof of this was, that the Petitions to that
House were against it in the proportion of twenty to
one. There was much in the character and achieve-
ments of the-Noble Duke which must excite the aJazi•
ration of every man in the world; but he for one did
not envy the Mlle Duke his present triumph, and he
had no doubt that ere long the Noble Duke would him-
self deeply lament ir.
The Duke of CUMBERLAND said, he would not
refrain, attet the decided pair which he had taken upon
this subject, on. previous occasions, from expressing his
strict cuufdrmity to that siniment which he then had
advocated. Although he bad heard much discussion
on the subject, he had beard nothing which could ;n
the slightest degree alter his opinion on the dangerous
reodincy of the measute before their Lordships.—
His opposition was not directed against the Catholics
themselves; he had the honour to know many per-
sonally. and felt fur ninny of them very great esteem ; but
he could not helpconceiving the change which war now
meditated was one which he could look on in no other
light than such a breach of the Protestaht Constitution
as be could not possibly sanction with his supp,rt. At
the same time 1u would confess, that although in the
outset of this business he had acquainted the Noble
Duke that be felt it incompatible with his duty to sup-
port this change in the Constitution, there were certain
occurrences which had since taken place which evetr
tenderOd him, more indisposed to the adoption of the
Ismanere. Obi the whole he felt with regret that in this
instances- he muss withdraw his support (rota the Go.
'vernasent of which the Noble Duke was the head.
The Duke of SUSSEX bad not intended again to
trouble their Loruships; but alter what had fallen from
his Illestsioos Relative, he thought it his duty once more
to record his approbation of the Bill. He thought his
'Majesty's Ministers had not received justice during
these discussioes. and Noble Lords who had ever been
Measben of aCabinet ought. to have known the respect
due to-the secrets of a Cabinet. The very language of
Magna Ch.eta, ANlO.verdieses, sregrroiesals, naafi
*limos jeditiaes, demanded this measure, which
was one of tardy justice to sheiloman Catholics. Tke
.wreath of olive was now weaving, and was now nearly
.completed, by which the laurel that now surrounded
the temples of theNuble Duke was to,be supplanted.
The Bishop of BATH and WELLS contended that
the tenets of the Catholic religion were totally aid
,diametrically oppoiite to the principles df that free Go-
mooniest which bad been happily established for ages
ip this coning. la this, although he would not assume
the ves.popeli to be the vow Des, yet he would contend
"at the voice and wishes of the people were fairly to
collected from their addresses and petitions to the
tgislacure. The greater number of petitions, it had
ea proved, were against the concession now meditated
the Romeo Catholics, sad he felt himself authorised
the dictates of the pure spirit of the Gospel, to re-

IWO An eonemsion meditated by this Bill to the pro.
',fusers of tbst Abysm Catholic faith.
Lord REDESDALE opposed the Bill no the ground
that it was COnfriri to The eiristitlition, and incompa-
tible with the safety of the Church of England, to ant
I great political power. to ,the Roman Catholics. Jews
the &good b:ought the religious establishments of this
country into a great degree of danger precisely by this
swans, andehis was the great offence which, more than
aay other, led to hit cipulsion. The establishment of
the Catholic Church io Ireland was now sure to be at-
tempted; and it was the duty of the Government and
people of Mast Britain, now more than ever, to exert
Themselves jn support f die Protestant Establishment
in that country. He had resided in Ireland, and he had
no doubt that the influence of the priests there was
Ereater than in any other of the Catholic countries of
urope.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN said that the argu-
ment founded upon the irreconcilable nature of the
Roman Catholic and Protestant reigions, if pushed to
its proper conclusioo. would lead to the opinion, not
that Roman Catholics and Protestants could not sit in
the same Parliament,. but that they could not lice in the
same country. The speech of Dr.Drumgoole, to which
reference had been made, was repudiated and con-
demned within twenty-four hours after it was delivered.
by a solemn vote of the Roman Catholic Prelates in
Ireland. When political power was granted to the
lower and withheld from the higher classes of Catholics.
an eloquent Member of the Irish Parliament had said
that it Ireland 's as satisfied, the Constituti in was not
satisfied. Now the Constitution was going to be satisfied.
He trusted the distinctions Parlianient was attempting to
efface would not be perpetuated by municipal reol --
tions or the social conduct of individuals, and that the
reign of peace, harmony, and happiness in Ireland
would now begin. From this moment he trusted the
Protestant religion would have fair play in Ireland. I,
gave him pleasure to see the Right Reverend Prelate.
who (or thirty years had supported this question, now
present in that House to witness the proud triumph of
that cause in which he had made exertions and sacrifices

fur so loots period. This was not the only authority
in the Chinch in its favour. The late Bishop Heber had
entertained. similar opinions. Li these opinions the
Church. of Scotland, with Dr. Chalmers at its head.
generally concurred. This Gentleman was an illustrious
example oiviety and disinterestedness. For the bece&t
of the. Church to which he belonged, he had refused one
of the meat valuable pieces of pit-ferment in the power of
his Majesty to offer in Scotland.
Lord HOLLAND rose not to say one woad upon
the question, but an incident had occurred in which he
was personally intere.ted. The N ible and Learned
Lord bad miseadentood what had fallen from him upon
several occasions, and had described his observations as
leading to the overthrow of the monarchy and asisto.
cracy of this country. The protest he entered is the
Journals last year was guided by the expressiith " purely
civil and political authority." He was as much aft iend
of the Protestant succession as any man in the House;
but he maintained that the office of King was not merely
civil and political—it was religious also;__ for the King
was supreme head of the Church of England. He
begged to know if the Noble and Learned Lord bad
ever seen any thing in him to justify the asprrsiun, that
he was designs' of destroying the Aristocracy and sub
*kiting the Crown? If the Noble and Learned Lord
were now Attorney General he should have felt himself
in danger, but he could not really thank Oat the Noble
and Learned Lord meant to impute such sentiment, to
him.

The Earl of ELDON said. that he had always es•
perie.nced the utmost courtesy and kindness from the
N9ble Lord who had just sat down, and he believed he
might add, that he (Lord Eldo• ) made a similar I etorn
tolls* Noble -Lord—(Hear from Lord Holland). Aft. r
what .had now fallen the Noble Lord, he (Lori El-
don) would say, that the apprehens.ons which he•
had expressed on a former occasion had been founded
upon a mistake as ro what had been said by the
Noble Lord in a former debate. He had not been
present "Theo the expressions to- which he alluded
were stated to have fallen from the Noble Lord.
He derived his information on the subject from those
channels of public information to which at was not rep-,
lar to refer in that House; and he must acknowledge,
alter what. had noir,fallen from the Noble L rd, that
be (Lord Eldon) mast have laboured under a mistake
as to the precise expressions which had been employed
by the Noble Lord in the debate to which he had al-
luded. The Noble Marquis (Lansdown) had &tremor('
to refute *bat he (Lori Eldon) had stated respecting
the ca.@ of Dr.Drumgoole, but the Noble 1.-rd hang not
applied himself to the pastoral letter of Dr. Troy, to which
be (Lord Eldon) had referred. and which es' re sly
stated that be (the writer) looked for a It .nran Catholic-
King and a Roman Catholic LeAislature. Nor had the
Noble Lord at all alluded to the doubts which had bee,:
expressed by. a Right Km Correspondent of the Noble
puke opposite as to the authlri.y of his Majesty to
confer an Archbishoprick upon a Protestant in lietand.
The Noble Lord thereght better to apply himself to the
facts concerning a Doctor of Physic than Doctors of
Divinity, and to contradict his (Lord Eldon's) positions
respecting Ore case if Dr. Di ursagoole, than to refute
what he had stated regard ng the opinions expressed by
the Roman Catholic Bishops is Ireland. The Noble and
Learned Lqrd concluded by repealing the eaplanatios
'which he bad already gives, as to his misapprehens MI
of the ex yessions which bad fallen from'the Noble li
L•nd (Ho
.. cl) on a former occasion, and sat dows
amidst log r cries'of el Question, question."
Tne Duke of WELLINGTON would detain their
Lorishipsi4 very few moments while he noticed some.
,f the observations which hadfaltenirom Noble Loo d 6;
and first *id respect to the Nobly and Learned Lord
on the curd' bench. 'He had liiped he would have
prepared hiMself to answer the legal arguments of
his Noble find Learned Friend on the Woolsack, of an-
other Noblt Ind Learned Lord, an 4 of the Noble Earl
opposite, rather than come down once more to accuse
bins and hii 'Right Hon. Friend in another place of
baying taken the country by surprise. But he distinctly
denied tht hect-.-there had been no surprise. They had
apprised the country of the intentions of Government at
the earliest possible moment, by the King's Speech.
and that was now two months ago. The numerous"
`petitions presented by the Noble and Learned Lord;
of 'which tbky bad heard so mach, and those pro-
se:ll4 by other Noble Noble Lords. amounting alto.
sober to not less than ten thousand. were the strongest
proof that there bad been no surprise. He rejoiced
that these-petitions had been presented, although mast
of them had been procured by giving oat to the cons-
ley that his Majesty's Ministers intended to introduce
Popery. He rejoiced, nevertheless, that these Petitiona
had been presented, as they *bowed the sound Protes-
tant feeling of the country. The Noble Lord also found
fatale with the manner in which this Bill bad been car-
ried through the House. Bat he ventured to say that
the House 'bed never sat longer upon any Bill; that a
greater number of hours had never been devoted to any
bill; end that never had any Bill been more fully tfis-

cussed. He owned he tees ext eau% °net itAhreshOse.eown.
.piece i Wore the HOlitiblyi. not fur the sake of he:nisi":
•the measure, of bons any apprehension that delay,
wouli endanger it, but to put an end to the agitation '
;which prevailed, not in the country, w• e. e there was, •
not% ithstanding what the Noble and Learned Lord said,
really no agitation at all, but in this to* n, w here -here •
did prevail some degree of agitation, although the ma-
jority of t'e people, both in the coy ii•td every other part
of the town, were decidedly in its favour. The Noble and
Learned Lord had insisted much upon the Oath of Su•
premacy ; but the Bill would not introduce one man
into tbe country who would refuse to take the Oath of
Supremacy. The will would introduce five or six Peers
into that House, and a few Gentlemen into the House of
Commons, who would not takir. the Oath 11Sapremacy.
or that-against Transtiststaritiatiot. Bit what danger
could be apprehended from this to the Protestant esta-
blishments of the country, where tire King most t>ces•
study be a Protestant, and the great body of the p
were decidedly Protestant, as their petitions proved
Did not the Noble L ri know that Is r many years
after the Pintestant religion was establisheil in Eng-
land Papist Peers. and Commoners sat in Parl zmeht.
who would not take the 04h of Siapiemacy or the
Oath against Transubstantiation, and that tio danger
was apprehended from them until the throne Wll4
occupied by a P-pish Sovereign ? The Noble Lord .
said there were no secutjtiei in the Bill. But as
the Bill did no mischief it could not requite the intro-
duction of any securities; and, as he had ahead; shown,
the iutioduction of securities would really have endanis
gored the Church. If the Bill gave n i se:tiiities lie
would ask did it take any a v ay ? It did ni thing mote,
in fact, than admit a few Catholic Pee.s and Cum-
moneis into Parliament. The Nob:e L.Nrd then talked
of the usurpations of tie Church of Route with respect
-to mrutiageand other civil obligations. He must really
say t'ut theseahiugs had no more to do with the ques•
tapir than the marriage law of Scotland had to do with
it. It the Crunch of 'tome dile/Jed its censures against
any pa:titular individual, and he chose to submit, what
harm could arise to the community? And it the indivi-
dual did hot submit. then the Church at Rouse was
utterly without power. For the Noble and Learn,; Lord
to tell him of the power of the Pope, was just like telling .
him of the power of the common law to put down theta.
tholic Associa t ion in Ireiand.When the Noble and Learned
Lord sat upon the Woolsack, they heard nothing of tl a
Power 4 thiscommoti law. Then the Nool. Lord was
perfectly quiet and at his ease, lettrig every thing taken,
chance, supposing that affairs might goon for his time,
and determined that the task of se thing them should re-
main lot his successors. The Noble Lord had act only
disaperoved of this measure, but did he approve of the
-plan of Mr. Pitt? Let him ans ter Aye or No to the
quertirin. Did he appointe of what was the scheme of
Mr. Pitt, that of making provision from the Stae toe
the Roman Catholic Clergy of Ireland? Tuen the
Noble and Learned Lord said they had not given hi=
their case: He had as plainly as possible described the;
state of Ireland, and of England also—th t was his
case. That tie Noble Lord might not know what
the state of the two countries was he could believe,
but that the Noble and Learned Lord who had so
long possessed an elevated arid influential situation,
was unacquainted with that state. when he n.O .t have
seen it progressively approaching, was the most
extraordinary thing be had ever heard iI. Tie
state of Ireland was in fret such as had never before
existed in any civilised country. Then he was aired.
chat benefit he expected front this sue sure? Ile es•
peeled that the agitation which had so long eaisnd,
and had risen to such a height, would rapi_ly subside.
He antiepateat that the hglier orders would now
take an interest in appeasing and tranquillizing ti e
country. if they did so, the measure would seer w-
idish all its objects. But if they did not take this
course, wh cb was their natural and proper course. amid
be felt convinced they would pursue it, then if they
thus failed in their duty. the measure he admitted would
be very likely to fail. And in this case he would. sa lib-
out the least hesitation, come down to Parliament to ask
for further • pone's. for it was impossible the pee-
seat state of thing, could be permitted to continue. He
regretted exceedingly his separation I:ntii the N able and
Lea, 'zed Lord, and from an Illustrious Personaga ; he la-
mented the loss of their confidence, but he aut co aced
thi from the beginning, when he c-naideted tire zeal
and ardour they bad always manifested upon the subject
be was about to introduce. He could only say, and this
was his coosolatUn, that in the course of tlie:e proceed-
ings he had nil done an act or said a word v Inch i: was
not his duty to do and to say. But in propustion to his
tegret for the loss of the valuable soy port and assistance
ut the Noble and Learned Lord, was his gratitude for
the able support ad. rded him by other-, and i.e felt
himself called wstin particularly to capess his ihar.ks
to the Noble Lords opposite, who, w ithoet the tic of
political cons ezion, had come forward in the most
handsome and effective manner to his sup; oft.
Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared—
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The third reading of this Bill was moved. and Otte or two
Amendments proposed, bet they were nrgativeJ without • diet..
aim; sod the BSI was read a third time and passed.
Adjourned at Two *Twee..
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
On the Order of the Day for the Third Readitig of the Arch.
Whop of Canterbury's Estate. Bill being read,
' Mr. HUM E saki, this Bill bad arrived at its present stare with.
apt his having Ms opportunity of offering wry obserlvatuia on it.
time praustet.law ail intumlArwa of Church livings were Mal.
sled to pay tlfccbst of repairing or-rebuilding their houses at a
per cent. bit which the wbuk should be repaid in twenty-Ave
years.. By,dsrposatna 1bi1.A30,000 or £43.000 were to be bor. •
rowed ter repaijteg Lambeth Palace—for the repayment of which
forty years were to be riven to )be. Archbishop of Canterbury.
He could not see why. the Archbishop of Canterbury, because be
bad s larger being than others; tiould have a larger time given
him for repaymem He moved that instead of one.forheth part
of the principal mosey being repaid yearly,mair twenty-Aftb should
be repaid. .
hr. DENISON add, he could net sem In the amendmee,
Ille Bill had undergone a very strict investigation before the Com.
snittie;aod these was not a dbneniteat.voici. Too money was to
be applied to the repair of the Atehbiebop's two house-, and be
thought that was a reason for 'standing the time of payment.
Mr. M A SEELY supported the Bill.
lie. D. W. HARVEY opposed the Bill. The late Archbishop
niVenterbury bad been upwards of twenty years In palimony's of
Melee, which at the least produced bias atoßoo per annum, ash
it was Incumbent on his representatives to pay at least one year's
Wane towards making good dilapidation. ,
Mr. TENNYSON said the late Archbishop bad received ask
700 i. for dilapidation. when be entered into possession of Lambeth„
Palace, and though be left it in mach better repair than he found -
..
it, his executors have dace paid the present Archbishop on =vane
of dilapiditions, 5,9441. slaklt the present Arabian" mead ley
out before be boriowed any matey. The present was an as el
liberality on his part, as ft would 'abject him to a consitkrabie MP;
noel payment far giving a permanent mayibeence to the- Palaces
If the Speaker, as executor to the late Archbishop of Can:trinity,
pwrobouladbhilavalese It kinaudaessebieclite. the facts to the House, it wood
' Sir THOMAS FREE NTLX sepPneted the Bin* 'I 4.,..-.
. Mr. BARING thought ...act graying out such • stun in sup. .-,,.
ca.; tbe dignity .et shititirsh !vas holaporable to the Arts.
of Centerbarp.

Olt X. CARRINGTON idso maintained the asceedly of sup.
porting the Head of the Church in eplwolour and dignity.
Mr. HUME %plied, and said he was not %enlaced, but would
mot divide the those.
. The Bill was then read a third time and permed.
A Message Iron the Lords brought op mead Bilis agreed toby
their Lordships.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS presented a Petition from the Clergy of
Owner against the Catholic RAO Bill.
• Sir M. S, STRWA ET presented a petition front Maurice Hai.
Lard, dlit browner at (lowland, near Glasgow. praying for as high
a protecting duty on thrown silk as on men.
Sir GEORGIC PHILLIPS said, the greatest injury that meld
be inflicted oa the petideners who complained of distress in the
Silk Trade, would be to comply with the prayer of their petition.
Mr. FERGUSON Wirt% petition came from his own matey,
sod was %nobly wee of the most extraordinary that seer came
Boot any country. The petitioner proposed that them should be
. an equal dug kid On thrown dli as on grain, which sometimes
amounted tad% per Cent. This was so aboard, that he must
believe the pet idolise %earn its hoax the House.
Mr BRIGHT said be Maid net suppose the pathless: meant
to hoes the Hods*. bus ending himself In a state of extreme din.
tress. and the House not disposed to Inquire into the cause of that
disoseit, be endemouted is sada their attention by reminding
them of the ditty they Imposed on corn. He had i petidoo to pee.
'sent ftom the Deputies of Silk Manufactures of Mandates% and
be never saw more respectable and Intelligent- men. and the House
Would do itself great honour by bearing such men before a Com-
mittee.
Mr. ROBINSON.said, the state of the Silk Trade demanded
the most serious consideration of the Home.
MG Alderman W A ITHM AN said he believed. such a case
could be made out onahe part of the numsfacturers, as to make an
inquiry by a Coombe., %dimmable. A great detest°. had been
practised by statements made Wag% the public pren.He hoped the
President of the Board of Trade would not commit himself by a
hasty decision against a Committee.
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD mid he could met at present
enter into the di-cussion. but the 'paddies of the people were %s-
-tultify entitled to the greatest respect, bed their.seferings to the
highest sympathy.
Mr. BARING asked; whether Govermsent wads' really being
forward tisemeasures they Intended on Monday...
VESEY FITZGERALD said, the aneemomietooderi by
Government could not be proceeded oa till after !Saner; but on
the Hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Fylet's).mOtion (ors C/mo,Ottee, on
Monday, be would certainij saplaio what thasedleaOreverre.
3.r. HUNK said the pedddher thought be Waiditlitln cliqulrlai
that 'manufacturers should 'receive as much protection as corn.
)Ir. WILMOT HORTON.presented a Petition from the Paiw
icy Irmileration Society for eisletance to so to Anstridif• and gave
nume that en the twin of the Honourable hiendWr fof Waterford
for the infirrnlvetion of the Poor Laws into Ireland, onthe Ttit of
he sliousd move certain Resoistious on the cause of Pauperism
M Ireland. aso ice thought the introduction of Poor ;.awn into that
country at present was not advi.able.
.Xlr. VA ZA KERLY presented a Pitillon from Unman, fur the
repeal of the Assessed Taxes.. : • -
rot. Si IaHORPE supported the prayer ef the Petition; and-
presented a Petition from the Payokiater and Quarterniutet of the
CavLu Militia, against reduction.
Mr. MONCK presented a Petition from cities= of Dublin, for
an alteration in the oath to be taken by Jews, that might induce I
them to settle in Ireland.

SANT 1117110110.
Mr G. LAMB presented a Petition from the Corporation of
East Retford, praying that a writ might-be tested fa eleetioa
of batsmen to represent them in Parliament. The Hon. Member
said this was the third Session in which the Home bad been en.
pied on ibis subiet; and in which it terminated in that House
without ever proceeding further. Thy band indeed sent as a pilot
balloon a similar 11111 respecting Penrynt and the highest legal
authority in the century bad declared dint the, Home never pasaed
suit a Bill uukes corruption was proved against the majority of
the electors, and the Hues* bad beard no more of the Paulo Bill
till they found a charge for Its expense, amounting 6,9001. in the
civil contingencies of the present year. It was not &opposed that
. bribery could be proved against the majority of the electors of East
Milford. but oven if it could, that was uo ceases that a writ should
not issue for the election of representatives. Grampeend and Pen-
ryn bad lb. it representatives in the House when the BM for their
di-franchisemem were agreed to by the House.
Me HUDSON G U BEAT thought-it would be the wiser and
the juster mode of proceeding to limit tiWt'writ for the election of
lieert tentative& for the Borough Of East Retford, and to drop any
limber proceedings ag.isot the Borough.
Mr. H. FA EH moved for a new writ for the Boron(' of East
Reeked. .
tir C. BURRELL was still ail* same opinion, that throwing
the Boroughs open to the liundieds, as before praposed, would be
prodestiseei Much good. providing the Hundred{ were sollciently
extelided to pievent patronage getting into the Maas of the Aria_ _

totrary. -•
The CHANe.R.LLOII, of the EXClikleri that it
- wolsh! have bitiepribtrobleit the ainsiiiithal buroduced with
Air. ST /la oliierved, that k Splinted to leifast due Bogie
Wms 'tailing a pasibinneut no inter peal& tor chi sins or their an.
•ce.tors, for many et thirofenders want rentoied from all earthly
punishment. It was aw iajewicie to the borough at •Retiord, and
to the rotatory, to allow the House Mb(' shorn 01 its menial and
not-to hays the full csenplemest of }wows in the discussion of
qurstiosis of such importance as bad been dimmed.
The Petition wasehinistely adored to be printed, and the no.
tics sit make rued tee Tuesday ma.

inlitiol CLAIM.
on the wooden of the Couscu.tos of the Ezersims, leave was
given to bring in a 'Mil for enabling his Majesty
.to perform the
terms of &Treaty entered into wish the fipaidtheovellusent ie5.184.5.
The Bill, after a few more observadocts, was read a Brut and
second time, and ordered to be committed on MoodaT.

SWAN ewes.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
the House then went into a Committee on the Dill for the revile-
tioo of the Settlement at Swan River.
Mr. PER GUSON proposed an amendment to one of the dames,
depriviag tie ipeal government from framing laws which wet.
repugnant to the spirit of the English law, which, With a verbal
WWI-Atka by Mr. H. Twits, and after some remarks from Sir
EDWARD CAROMING., was ultimately adopted.
Mr. HUME inquired if any preparation had been suede for the
intrauctioa of Trial by Jury Into Ibis settlement; if a Council had
been tormod for legislative purposes; and if the enactments of that
Council were to be laid before this Horse?
Sir G. MUR it AY replied. that the Grown would be formed as
soon as the Government were subbed that ness suMciently com-
petent to perform the duties bad settled there.
Alter a tew more verbal Amendments the ComoSttee &dimmed,
and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday neat.
1 ha order of the day for the reecho* of the NavyCommissiateers'
Qi.ortins sad the Naval Olken Widows' Pension Bill were
then dimmed of.
On the motion of Mr G. Coatoomes, the Greenwich Hospftal
Report Sill was read a second time, and ordered ribs committed
mt Tuesday.
The Report on the Newfoundland, Ftsberies.Blll was brOught op.
Rill ordered to be read a third time on Monday.
The Lanark Asylums Regulation Hie wept through a Com-
mittee —airport on Monday.
The County Hedges Dill wee postpooed tW May 1.
716 Report of the Sale of Game BM was furtheg oottsldered-.
agreed to-.sad Dilliwderod to 1w reads third tiq s SUladay.
Sir HAROINc;Ii usimaii gar :a ilea fieMk'.. aw the
Nititia Redlines, Pay, and Clothesu—Agrentlto.
The Contrafttee of Supply and Wiyeast NeassArempearrawed
till Howley.
The CHANCELLOR of Iles EXCHEQUER beau& IA
Bus in madam fora further period thu Act allowima composition
of the Assessed Toes.—!lead a Ant time, and ordered to oe read
• seised Bois on Monday. .
The remaining Orders having been disposed of. the House ad-
journed at a ROAST= PAST 1555. O'CLOCIL till Monday.
THE MARQUIS TOWNSHIND.—III the list of Peers'
velio-dl4 net vote oo the question of the second reading of the
Catholic Relief Nil (which has appeared in ail the papers), there
was so auto in placing the word " besetic" against the name of
the Marquis Towitsome. We state from authority that his Lord-
ship haviog been many years resident abroad, has not yet taken kis
seat, sodooosequently could not give his Prosy.
lama, Re smaamos, Amaze, am IPerrnoes. aerate rue Loan
Coarice&Los, ragman so Bens Teets, lait9.
Tuesday. Aftli U, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, May 1-
7k First Seal.

- aturday, May 4—The Second Stet
• Monday. May 4—Petitions
N.B. Between the Seals, the Lstd Mancelbw will hear Appeals
and Babeerings, swept spas the Days of Sitting In the Douse el
Lord&
&tau. Rates, DIOMOIRRItS, lususturs, Foams* Dummies,
•Au 9aims sus Vics-Csiitscassoa, POIMOOf TO
BATT= Team. 11129.
Tuesday, April SS—The First Seals
Wednesday, -April 411, Thursday, and Friday. May I—Pleas,
Demurrers, •updoes, and Further Directions.
• Saturday, May s—The &egad Seals
kuuday, May 4—Petition&

THE EVENING STAR.

LON DON.
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The Catholic Relief Bill finally passed this morning,
at two o'clock, aft*, a division, which was tarried by a
majority of 104. The Disfranchisement pa was like-
wise passed. It would now be useless to *eke any
remark upon this measure, which we have opposed.
from conscientious feelings and apprehensions. We
have only now to pray that it may not predate the
evils we believe it inevitably will; bui, ott- thli other
hand, that it may condo*. to the petite, heiripihirsi, and
**tot Great Britain. and Lehissd: • "
It is genteelly unde;;;lSTarrangentenks dre now
in ?swots with respect to some financial Dwaine!, of
invariance. In addition to the creation of an Ainuity
Stock, under the provisions of the till now before the
Meta., fur empowering the Commissioners for the re-
duction of the National D.bt to grant Life Annuities,
and Annuities for terms of years, it is said to be the
ii.tention of Government to cleate a further quantity of
Annuities for a given period of years, by funding a
cei ton portion.of Exchequer Bills.
The necessity of seducing the Unfunded. Debt has
long been evident to every one who has attended to
the subject of Finance, and indeed has been admitted
by Ministers themselves. The Cuanertt.oa of the
EXCUKQUER stated, during last Session, dis.inctly, that
this subject would be fully considered, and some plan
for getting rid of a portion of the outstanding Exchever
Bills would be submitted to l'a.liament early this Ses-
sion. That promise, we believe, the It;ght llocoaiable
'Gentleman is now about to redeem. The large amount
of Exchequer Bills in the market and in
,the bands
of the Bank of England is a millstone rotted the neck
el Mr. tioutnuan, and cramps every financial exertion
he would attempt. The evil is every day more and
more apparent ; and the increase of the deficirmy bills
ii the present quarter increases it. The premium on
Government bills daily declines, and the time is not
distant, when, unless their total amount be reduced,
the premium sill nearly vanish, and then the Govern-
ment will have their own Exchequer Bills paid in fur du-
ties instead of cash. No temporary 'inconvenience ought
to deter Ministers from, boldly facing this part of our
systent, and at once getting rid of a considerable part
of the Unfunded Debt, which could be done at this
time mote advantageously than, there is too much sea-
'son to apprehend. can be again expected for a length of
time, if ever. The period is not very distant when the
Bank Charter will expire, and the hands of Government
must be quite free from any debt to that ..Establiih-
men' before the discussions fur the renewal of the
Charter commence.

Path Niters of ie—m..m.---btesslay's date reached us this
morning by caress. The followingjs the only para-
graph worth extracting: