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and the Answers to them. it was quite clear thai by its mere will anki fiat. he inaTotairieci that tli
this question was brought forward for party pug- Queen bad no more right to complain Of net havirig
poses ; he would ask; if that was net the case, her naeie inserted in ~e Liturgy, than the whop
would it ever have been introduced ?—(Hear, leaf-). body of the " Royal Progeny had of net being
It was charged against his Majesty's Ministers, that prayed for roe':i.rerlirr. NVith respect tv the osrz of
they acted in an illegal manner. Now, whet Was the the Doke of Curnaerland, it eppeered that his name
fact? They had received information from abroad, was excluded by the King and Council—.end here
of the Queen having been guilty of such a degree of was anther instaece ef the elercise of discietiort
misconduct as required a solemn investigation ; and upon this subject by tie King and Council: He
were they then to be accused of acting illegally, lie- contended that there was no di oiree bete een Queed
cause they had resolved upon an inquiry into the Caeoline and King George; she was certainly the
charges against her ?—(Lned chcersO—lie was reedy Queen of England, and yct low name WAS also ex.;
to confess, that he for one would not have advised the eluded hum the Liturgy by tir same authority.-7.
omission of her Majesty's name front the Liturcy, It was his opinion, therefore, that the King in Coun;
while she continued Princess of Wales, but the case oil had the power to exclude her Majesty's name
was entirely altered after she became Queer). As to from the Litargy; end the duly question, therefore;
the religious scruples which might be entertained on was, Was this power properly exerciTed in that pan.
this subject, he could only say, that this question in- ticular instance? It was hir the House to consider;
volved no religious consideration whatever, as the by recurring to the nature of the charge, and the
Queen was prayed for under the general term of the evidence•by which it was supoorted, knowing that a
" Royal Family." Under all these circumstances, Commission had been employed to look out lot evi-
and for the reasons he had given, he should certainly deuce, and had transit-awed the evidence to this couna
vote against the motion of the Noble Lord, and sup- try; and knowing, as he did, the high character and
port the Amendment. honour of the men who composed the Commission-o
Mr. WETHERELL explained. He did not con- knowing all this, he begged to ask, -could it be
tend that the Queen Consort was entitled to the al- expected that, as a matter of favour, there being no
legiance of the people. What he said was, that from right, her name would he insetted in the Liturgy ?
immemorial usage, the Queen was entitled to those From the judgment of the Hon. and Learned Gen-
external symboL of: respect, or marks of homage, denten, lie would appeal to the sober pint of the
paid to the King. Public, and he was satisfied, that when the artificial
Sir J. MACKINTOSH then rose, and after a few clamour of the day wa, over, the country would he
preliminary observations, said, that the late Order in restored to tranquillity. The Learned Gentleman
Council was e violation of all the recognized prat- then -aid, that he conceived it impossible that any
ciples of the British Constitution. Alter the able Member should vote for this motioh, and of course
and lucid arguments of the Honourable and Learned another which would follow, as a matter of course,
Member for Oxford, he felt that to attempt enforcing for an Address, without taking a pert against the
them by anything which he could offer,. would be Monarch !—(Order, order—ThZe the words d0:v..0.
presumptuous in the extreme. The Honourable and Lord MILTON rose, for tile purpose of calling the
Learned Gentleman then commented on several lion. Member to order. The lanouage he had used
charges of inconsistency which were brought against was utterly inconsistent with the order of the House,
some of his Honourable Friends who had preceded and deserved the animadvenioa of the Chair (Hear).
him in the debate. He next animadverted on the The SPEAKER interposed, and stated, that had
silence of the AttorneyeGeneral upon the merits of the Hon. Gentleman imputes! the motive of hostility
the question for the last eight months. It was the to the Monarchy to any Member,. he would have
duty of honest advisers to speak the truth to the been disorderly in the extreme ; but he had only de=
Monarch, however unpleasant the truth might be to scribed what he thought would be the effect of a par-
his ear. Honourable Gentlemen on his side of the ticular motion.
Mr. SCARLETT rose at nearly three o'clock, and
House were charged with having had recourse to
Parliamentary tactics in bringing forward this clues_ observed that the present question was one which
tion ; never was there a charge more unfounded. The mainly involved the stability of the present Ministers;
Right Honourable Gentleman on the other side, and and they themselves ;tad made it a question of that
those with whom he acted, had not mentioned to nature. At so late an hour, he did not wiso to enter
put upon record a single argument which went to deeply into its consideration ; but eve: y man who va-
refute the serious charge against them, involved in lued principle, who valued the dignity of the Timone,
the motion of his Noble Friend—(Loud cheers).— and the maintenance of the Constitution, was now
That motion was, in fact, an impeachment of Minis- called upon to make a last stand for their defence—
ters--(Continued cheers). As to the case of Philip (Hear, hear). The due administration of justice was
and Mary, quoted by the Honourable and Learned concerned in this question, but confident oedema,
Attorney-General, it was to him (Sir James Mackin- tion could neither alter its nature, nor detract from
tosh) most surprising how he could have cited it. its importance. The present question involved the
Philip and Mary were Papists, and as such, not con- fate of Ministers ; but the President of the Boar dof
sidered as at the head of the Church. What, then, Trade met the charge against his colleagues by a
was the Honourable and Learned Attorney-General vote of aujoianmeet. This was a proof' of the justice
to go to the Popish Ritual for precedents to support of their cause, of the manliness with which they
his arguments ?—(Loud cheering). His Honourable dared to meet it ! The world, however, would judge,
Friend, the Member for Westminster, had very aptly of this :—honest men of the present day could see it
illustrated this point then with respect to the wire of as it deserved to lie regarded. Why did not the Mi-
Georise I. who was styled Duchess of Zell, all that nisters call on their majority to bear them through
could be said was, that she inherited that title from their appeal ? Their confidence bespoke, at least
her father, who was Duke of Zell, and her assuming they had some colour of justice or mistaken policy
it after she was separated from her husband, proved at their side. In the hour of trial they found neither.
that she was held to be divorced, to all intents and They were not as yet charged with corruetion—why,
purposes. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman then, was the Noble Lord .o tender of his majority ?
then proceeded to examine in detail all the various It was said on a former occasion, that the time might
Statutes enacted in reference to the question, and de- arrive when discussion would come—it was now
nied the correctness of the interpretation given to come ; and to the great dissatisfaction, he believed,
them by the Attorney. General. He contended that of all sides; the merits of the Government were not
the high authority of Lord Clarendon and Sir Matt. wished to be discussed, nor the necessity of their
Flak, was against the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. measures met by any decisive Measure. The Soli-
He feared he trespassed too long on the House— citor-General had spoken very confidently ; but con-
(Hear, hear)—but he felt that this was a question not lidence was not proof, nor assertion always fact.—
concerning one Queen alone, but whether all the fu- The House of Commons was not, perhaps, the best
tune Queens of England were to be the slaves of every tribunal to discuss legal topics; but on common
future Administration—Weer, hear !)—or whether sense subjects, where good feeling and sound pa-
they were to enjoy that independence which the Con- triotisin were concerned, he was satisfied their deci-
stitution intended them to have ?—(Hear,Ocar). The sion would be guarded by a sense of justice. He
Honourable and Learned Gentleman then proceeded would venture to say, there were not ten Gentlemen
to contend, that the exclusion of Prince George of in the House who would, in a private room, have
Denmark from the Liturgy was no precedent in sop- any difference of opinion on this important subject
port of the exclusion of her present Majesty, because —(Laughing).—The Solicitor-Ger:cod had appealed
the 25th Section of the Act of Uniformity did not to the honourable feelines of the House—he made
contemplate the Consort of Queen Regnant. George the same appeal ; and he would add to it, an appeal
was the husband of Anne, and he did not come under to their justice; and on that combined appeal he
the other part of the description, namely, " the Royal was satisfied no two men would &hot:wee—(Hear).—
Progeny.' But the Princess Sophia's name was in- The case of the Queen was simply this—trial before
serted, as she was one of" the Royal progeny"—a accusation—punishment before conviction—(Hear,
.person towards whom Anne had no friendly feelings. hear). The Ministers said, they did not wish to pre.
When he first heard of this measure, he supposed that judice her case, or to prejudge it ; what did the whole
Ministers were at least secure as to the legality of tenour of their conduct display but the very opaosite
what they did. But he was now fully convinced of to that which they bad promised? The alwisters
the imbecility of their case. Much was said of hold- alleged that they had charges against the Queen ;
ing the scales of justice with an even hand, 'before what, then, should have been their conduct what
the trial of her Majesty. And yet, before that trial, was, in point of fact, their duty? The state of par-
by the omission of her name from the Liturgy, they tics could not have been affected by an honest policy
caused it to be proclaimed in twenty thousand pulpits —insincerity brought with it an intricacy and a cru-
that she was an adultress—(Hcar, hear, hear).— city of proceeding, and with it their defeat. The
He was convinced that upon this subject there was, conduct of Ministers was of that nature, that it pre-
in fact and in truth, no division of opinion in this judiced the administration of justice; they issued forth
House—(Hear, hear.) No man could lay his hand
opinions of guilt before trial, and a privilege not de-
on his heart and say that he did not deplore this as vied to the meanest individual was refused to the
a most unfortunate measuie, though many, most in- second person in the State!—(hear.) The expe-
consistently, as he thought, still went on to support diency and policy of the proceedings were altogether
au Administration which had committed such an out of the question. His Majesty's Government no
error—(Hear, hear.) The opinions of the public longer wished to have their measure; tried by such a
were decided, and most ardent against this most test—(llear, hear). On these points they totally
unhappy measure. The feeling of the people alone failed ; on the law of the case, the Honourable
was sufficient to call on the Throne for the abandon- Member for Oxford left them not a single word.
ment of all hostile proceedings against the Queen. It was said in the course of the debate, that Henry
They felt that she was degraded bell:ire trial—pro- I VIII. had all the power that he could choose; but
secuted without sufficient cause, and endeavoured to surely no man meant to infer from that that a Coll
be punished without conviction. The Honourable stitutional Sovereign could either wish for or cxer-
and Learned Gentleman sat down amid loud cheers. cise such a power? But even in the time of Henry
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL did not think that VIII. it was urged that his proceedings were in-
the revival of this question was calculated to allay tended for the peace and tranquiility of the country;
the discontents which were said to exist in the coun- it would be for the House now to decide if the mea-
try—(hear, peer).—Hc referred to the negotiation sures of Ins Majesty's Ministers were calculated for
which took place, and contended that at that time the same purpose. But why was the 11,et.e of
her Majesty's advisers assented to negociate for an Commons now talking of Henry'si enry's power, e eh
equivalent for the omission of her Majesty's name seemed only a parallel to that of the Pope; ween,
from the Liturgy. Some now lights, he supposed, by the Act of t-niformity, all such powers were cone
had broken in uaon Gentlemen, since there was a fined eithin die regulations of law. The argument
time, and that not very remote, when this omission of the Solicitor-General was this: his Majesty tire
was considered as a o trifle light as air." He then King has the power to alter the whole Liturgy, or
proceeded to argue that, according to the Act of he has not. But how was that made out? By asset--
Uniformity, and to established usage, it was compee tion, by an exception to rule cases; the question was
tent to the Crown to change the names in the Liturgy not once met distinctly by him. Then the case was