Star.
London, England, 1820-06-22 00:00:00

IIOUSt: OF CONIDIONS.

The House was occupied again to day in balloting for a Coen.
tnipet on a Petition against the Return for Limerick; so that
the Gallery was not opened till half.past four. The waft of
the Members heed on were as fellow :
Sir Charles Coles, G. W. Tayler, Esq.
Sir W. C. Faille'', Z. Weds:home, Esq.
J. Ramsbottorn, Esq. Sir J. Shelley,
ll
Esq. R. G. PilecdoaaM, Esq.
George Salida, Esq. A. Robertson, Esq.
S.•Crawley, Iraq. A. Buxton, Esq.
T. Isere, Esq. James Davis, Esq.
G. R. Dawson, Esq.
Mr. C A LCRA FT brought up tbe &pert en the Drurpaane
Theatre BBL The A ,mmats were ordered to be angrtimed.
Mr. NEW hIAN brought up the Report on the Exeter.
-Market Bill.
. After a few words from Mr. W. Couarnsr, Lord 14208.
tow, and Sir I. Corns, the debate on the recommitment tithe'
Bin was adjourned dB to.morrow.
Mr. sURTEIS presented a Petition from Jules aping the
intended removal of the Eked= for that Sire.
Sir C. ROBINSON preeented a
deen, Petition from the Lead.
owners in the County of Aberpraying relbd from the
Malt Duty.
Lord A. HAMILTON asked the Noble Lord opposite, is
the absence of the Right Honourable Gendesnan, whether it
was the intention of the Chassidim of the Exchequer to adhere
the tiss Malt Dudes in Scotland?
to-
LordntrLEREAGH profemetl him & amble to answer
the atio&
Mr./n 'MIME AK &aloe amid answer the question whielskthe
Noble Loud couid not answer. He mold my that it was the in.

!Isogon of the Chancellor Of the Exchequer to continue those'
Dude% but to make allowances for them in another way.
The Petideq was Yid ott.bk, tad ordered colts peisited.
Mr.lll.lBlaßBek torvniM hallo af absence hit iiirdrylt,'
for Me. Joklilfs,
;Mite-reeve sbotahl
have,hatia amigne4'. fee Ale request, lbw' urgeht-Privatrioutl-r
• • Besides, It was not mated that Ale. 140 had torvad.oo
an Meth* Committee. • ' .
Mr. CALCRA FT thought that so many/Javan of this kind
would be demanded, tint uniesolot,Mosse pheaskapeno *lstria:
dolt upon them, great isconeadenee might tithe—(Tioir, hear).
The question was thin pm, and the Ass tarried it cfalilehter).
Leave of absence was afterwards given to Sir Roiraan
gationsoza., on swam of the death Of a near relation, and to
Mr. W. Roszats, on areient of ems.
The ArFORNICY-ORNICRAL moved. that
.the King's
Bench Rill hetommitted On Monday.—Ordered.
Mr. CURWEN obtained leave to bring hi a-Bill fee the pro-
tection of persons apply*. foe Patents for new inventions,. •
THE QUEEN.
The SPEAKER, in the order of the names upon
his paper, called the name of Mr. W-iibelorce.
A general cry of Order" arose, tit on. silence
being obtained, it appeared that Mr. mita' 'vacs
was not in his place. A pause of nearly a-quarter
of au..hour followed without the appearance of the
Hon. Member. 'ln the meantime the House went
into a Committee upon Goldimith's Estate Bill, and
the Report-was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr. C. GRANT moved for a Return of the comparative
, statement of the Giants to Ireland for Misteilamous
for 1818-19, . and 1826. He ifierwards brought up the Re-
turn, which was ordered to be printed.
A Message, from the Lords announced that their Lordships
had agreed to the Mies Bill. _ _

Several Orders wldch stood for to-day were, in expectation
of the debate on Mr. W.ssassaioscei motion, postponed till to.
13101 TOW. . •

Shortly before six o'clock, Mr. Wltarenronez
eq-
tered the House,' and was received with loud ae-'
clamations froni every part of the House. He wits
accompanied by Mr. BROUGHAM.
• The BP/SAXER, in a few minutes after, called on
Mr. WILBERFORCE, who immediately row, and
spoke as follows Sir, I hope I need not assure the
House that I have not been backward in the duty of
1111 i attendance at the.proper hour without some ade-
equate cause—(Hear, hear!).-1 had not, from cirr
cumstancec, the power of being here earlier. _ Sim*
the House separated last night, circumstance! have
taken place which rendered it necessary that I should
vary the form of the motion I intended. And con-
-sidering the serious importance of this most delkate
question, and the imperative necessity that I should
avail myself of the-most deliberate consideration to
try any effort that might avert the fatal evil of our
entering into the discussion of the unhappy dif4
ferences now prevailing, I now throw myself again
upon the indulgence of the House, an 4 entreat that
they will excuse me, so far as to allow another day to
elapse before they call
.vOll me to bring forwird
motion upon this delicate ancLdistressing sabject
(Cries of No," -intermixed with repeated cries el
" Hear!").--I am sure, that whatever feelings May
now operate in the breasts of Honourable Members,
they will do me the justice to believe that I require
this further indulgence from the gravest motives,
and that they will afterwards hold me in contempt,
if it should appear I called for it upon any temporary'
'considerations, uninfluenced:by the most serious corr.
fiction of the necessity of the postponement on ro
vital an. occasion"--( Hear,' hear,).
Lord CASTLEREAGi--" I own, that I daft
regret any occasion should have arisen to have
dered it necessary for my Hon. Friend to solicit this
poseponement, and upon motives which he Ints,nOt
thought proper (no doubt for the best reasous) to eit-:
plain to the House. He may have good reason for
not now entering into the reasons -which influenced'
his call for postponement; and certainly I feel dirs-
posed to accede to-his wish, as it is desirable that lrii
motion ilniuld have precedence of urine. Aline, the
House will see, _proceeds upon a principle of inquiry,
and his upon one of averting, if possible the neces.
isity of that inquiry—(Hear).—I have passible,
dr*
fullest disposition to concede precedence to my Hon.
Friend. Without presuming to question the propriety
of my Hon. Friend's application, I give him credit
for the gravity and purity of his motives in soliciting
this delay of a Jay. I should think the House would,
acting upon the principle already recognized by Par-
liament, also accede to it upon this occasion, under
the circumstances in which my Hon. Friend stands.
I should depart from that principle were I now, on
the part of his Alajesty's Government, to press the
House to enter upon my motion, the object of which
is to decide upon the mode of iliquiry which the case
itself shall call for, before it has perfectly and fully
satisfied itself that every possible expedient has been
carefully, anxiously, and deliberately resorted to,
which could avert the necessity of such a proceeding.
My Hon. Friend cannot value at a more serious rate
than I do the great and heavy public evils that at-
tend these repeated postponements--(Loud cries of
" Hear r)—which will necessarily throw so many
difficulties around the whole of this painful question.
until the wisdom of Parliament shall come to a defi-
nitive decision upon all the difficulties of so serious
case. I must, in obedience to the principle recor
nixed by Parliament, submit to my Hon. Friisarszo
quest, and in doing so, I must be permitted to cows
Jure and entreat my Hon. Friend that he will not, to.
MOTtOWi suffer anything to interfere with the bring.
• lug on • of his motion—(Loud (lies of Hear! from
all pasts of the Hease).-..1 can only repeat, respect-
ing this serious and important subject, that the evils
of delay are incalculable--(Hear, hear I).—lf the
House can be spared the painful necessity of entering
fully into this delicate and difficult duty, I shall be
as glad as any Honourable Member opposite. The
-House has now had a full explanation of the causes
and circumstances attending the preceding delay,
aad I am sure that any further delay beyond to-
morrow, will be more likely to defeat than to recce.
tile the great-object which the House has in view." •
Mr. WILBERFORCE.," I hope that it will net
be required Of me by the House to state the reasons
which, in my judgment,, render it desirable that this
subject should be postponed until to-morrow. I have
already explainetthat the gravest motives have die‘
tated the course I suggested, and L assure the Noble
Lord, that nothing bit the sense of this imperious
necessity has induced me to solicit a delay until to-
morrove—(Hear).
Lord CASTLEREAGH," I by no means wish
to press the Honourable Gentleman fer an immediate
uplinittion of his motives, which, I am persuaded,
are of the soundest and most sufficient nature." •
Lord A.' HAMILTON, Sir, I wish to ask the
Honourable Member for Bomber, whether or not he

has anf obj
ection to state to the Houst.'Wtat is the
• , ~ •
,netur ef t motion. which is.batintendes• to *wing
terwita itionovi 7T-4-Cries ef No, 004,!,4 cal! Or
ritmalloneirrable 'Gentlemen at Ido mot ask this
Arseition out of idlie-etiriOsitf, but becausei wish to
;know the nature of the Honertirable Gentleman's mo-
tion,,
with a view.,to shape my.own course accord-
ingly, as the answer to my question may induce me
to determine, if I do not approve of the Honourable
Gentleman's motion, either to propose an Amendment
to it, or to'submit a distinct motion to the House."
Mr. WILBERFORCE.--" My high respect for
Lthe Noble Lord's character must always induce me
to afford him every gratification compatible with my
duty. - I feel it to be inexpedient to say more on the
subject of my motion publicly, but I shall have no
objection whatever to converse with the Noble Lord
in private upon it. What passed in the House yes-
terday evening, and its results, have confirmed me in
the determination to refrain from entering into any
previous explanation of the precise nature of my in-
tended motion." -

Mr. TIERNEY.—" I really feel great difficulty.
Sir, in agreeing to this postponement—(Hear, heart
bear).—lt is, in every point of view, most desirable
that this business should be terminated as soon as
possible—Weer, bear, heer).--We are placed in a
situation that appears to me to be nnparalleled. To
a Message which his Majesty was graciously pleased
to send down to this House many days since, wetan-
swered by an Address, intimating that we would im-
mediately enter into the consideration of the matters
to which that Message referred. Accordingly, we
did enter on that consideration, but in consequence
of the suggestion of a number of Honourable Mem-
bers, the discussion was adjourned for several days,
in order to give an opportunity for ascertaining whe-
ther it might not be practicable to bring the affair to
a conclusion without further interference. The neg.-
ciations on the subject lasted for nearly a fortnight;
and the Noble Lord then came down, declared that
they had failed, laid on the table of the House papers
'explanatory of their nature, -and gave noticesthat on
this evening he would propose to resume the sus-
! pended consideration of his Majesty's Message. Now,
however, another—an individual Member4took up
the subject, and a fresh adjournment was proposed,
in order that he might see what he could do. - My
Noble Friend near me, thinks it very likely that he
may feel it necessary to make a motion on the subject.
Other Honourable Members may also think it neces-
sary to make motions. In the meanwhile, the consi-
deration of his Majesty's Message sleeps ; and the
delay is certainly neither respectful to the Crown,
'nor creditable to this House—(Hear, hear).—l think
It fair, therefore, Sir, to give notice, that be the cause
of the delay what it may, or let it orighate in what
qtiarter.it may, I will to-morrow take the.sense of the
House on the propriety of any further adjournment,
if such should be proposed"—(llcnr, bear, hear).
Lord A. HAMILTON.—" I also, Sir, beg leave
to,give notice, that I will' to-morrow move for the
production of Order in Council under which her
Majesty's name was erased from the Liturgy."
Mr. BROUGHAM.—" Sir, I rise to know if I-
-rightly understand the Honourable Gentleman who
;hes just now postponed the motion of which he yes-
ay evening gave notice, and to state why, if I
do rightly understand him, I think that the delay
which be requires of a single day ought to be allow‘H
ed, notwiths!anding the great public inconvenience
find evil which, in common with my Noble and my 11
;Right. Honourable Friend, I feel must result from;
any postponement of the question under our consi.,
aeration. If I rightly understand the Honourable',,
Member, be considers either the adoption of his in.
'tended motion, or of any proposition which may
arise out of it, the' only alternative of a proceeding
to an inquiry on the part of this House. If this is
really the Honourable Member's impressioq, I really
think that the delay of a single day becomes of less
importance, since, according to the Honourable Mem-
ber, if his motion should net be acquiesced in by the,
House, the inquiry must then be commenced. Feel.
ing, therefore, as strongly as any man the import-
ance of not unnecessarily delaying the consideration
of this question for a single hour, I nevertheless can.
not but accede to the Honourable Member's propo.
sition. I trust, however, that no circumstance what-
ever with prevent the Honourable Member from pro:
ceeding to-morrow; for I can assure the House, that
as much anxiety is felt to avoid -delay on the part of
her Majesty and her advisers, as can be'felt in any
other quarter whatever"—(Hear, hear).
Mr. SCARLETT.—" If I correctly understand
my Honourable and Learned Friend, he thoroughly
agrees with the Hon. Member for Bramber, that the
success of that Hon. Member's motion is only one
branch of an alternative, the other branch of which
is the inquiry originally proposed by the Noble Lord
opposite. Sir, I cannot conceive that such is the
state of the case. In my humble judgment, whatever
may be the fate of the Hon. Members motion should
it be rejected by the House, I shall still think the
sort of inquiry. proposed by his Majesty's Ministers,
and which is the only measure that they have called
'upon us to agree to,. one which it is impossible that
consistently with its duty, the House can adopt—
(War). In my opinion, therefore, it by no means
follows, as a necessary consequence of the rejection of
the Hon. Member for Bramber's motion, that we must
acquiesce in the proposition of the Noble Lord."
Mr. BROUGHAM.-J' As my Honourable and
Learned Friend had no opportunity, or did not ay.fil
himself of any opportunity of expressing his opinion
in that which would perhaps have been its right
place, he has been induced to state it to the Howe
now, and in a manner somewhat hasty, it becomes
necessary for me to set myself right with my Ho.,
nourable and Learned Friend, and with the House;
Does it follow, Sir, from what I said when I last ad-
dressed you, that I think what I have already elms:,
racterised as an unconstitntional'proceeding, must ixt

the necessary consequence of the rejection of a mo-
tion, which, for aught I know, I may feel it my duty
to oppose? By no means. What I stated was—pot
that I considered it as the alternative ; but that as the
Honourable Gentleman seemed to consider it as the
alternative, and as he would therefore press his mo-
tion to-morrow, the delay of a single day did not ap-
pear to me to_be !inadvisable."

Hire itbe con
motion of Lord

was dropped ; and,, on the
-v. the Order o£ the Dal

for I;imigng the adpitrued (lobate on the peg,

Message was discbaneti, and I new °Oct
to-morrow (this day).
[The body and side Galleries of the House to:
crowded doting this conversation. Immediately a,L..
it, the majority of the Membersleft the House.]

SUPPLY.
The Houtte.havingitsolved itself into a Committee
of Supply,
Mr. HUSKISSON moved a Resolution for grin'.
ing the sum of £lOO,OOO to the Governors of Qut
Anne's Bounty, for the Relief of the Poor Ciergv.—
The Report was ordered to be 'received to-mw i:iw
(this day), and the Committee had leave to !.-it
ARMY EXTRAORDINA RI ES.

The House having again resolved Itself into a Cor:1-
, mittee of Supply,
Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved, 64 That the sum
£200,000 be granted for defrayiftg the extraorii
expenses of the. Army for the present ye:tr."
This motion led to a desultory conversation To.
rpecting variqui items of expenditur; ar.d the try
of keeping the Army accounts.
Mr. HUMF. said, he wished to see all the exrn ,
brought under separate heads and see proper clic,
upon them, which was not the case. at prerf:mt. !it
noticed one among other instances, of the
manner of keeping the accounts: instead ot,statir:T,
in a separate item,.the expenses of thelonian
which cost the country 1'120,000, and which
to cost us nothing; they were included ht one genciai
head—," Gibraltar and the Mediterranean."
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that if the:details of
penses belonging to each separate station were
before the House, they wculd produce a mass.,:
printing, from which the greatest confu-ion mu-.
arise. But if any Member wished to move for a
ocular account, it would be laid before the• Mil.., .

Lord PALMERSTON said, it would be iiii,.ossilisc
to give a detail of all the :minute items of Army Ex.
penses ;. but the .gross accounts were always awl.
rattly given.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, the greatest losses
had taken place in consequence of delays in auditia
the public accounts.
Lord PALMERSTON assured the Right [fen.
Baronet, that there was the,utmost regularity now eb.
served in the keeping of accounts at the War Office.
Mr. BARING said, he had known instances t•f
accounts having been so irregularly kept in Govern.
ment Offices, that there was not a shop-keeper in
Cheapside who ivould not be able to se; them tight.
Mr. (lOULBURN said, a great improvement had
lately taken place in the keeping of the public accoz.nts.
Mr. RICARDO pressed the necessity of a more
satisfactory statement of the-accounts. For his part,
Ihe cOnfessed his inability to understand them. Ile
thought it would be proper to, state..the sums which
had been received, and how-much was detitiell
the payments of the public revenue in each-tear.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQU ER agreed
with the Honourable Member, that the improveiner,t
was very desirable, and certainly in future should La
adopted—(Hear),—The Resolution was agreed, to.
The following Resolution was then proposed—
" That the sum of 1.:300,0Q0 be granted for Civl
Contingencies."
Mr. HUME:wished to see the charges for the Po.
lice. Establishment separated from this branch of the
Estimates, and made an integral branch in itself.—
He wished to . have an explanation upon the follow.
ing circumstance :—Some time.ago the office of
Receiver .the Thames Policeeoffice was given to
Mr. COlquitoun, as. a reward for his s rvices, with
a salary of. £4OO a-year. There was no ground for
this arrangement, except the nctessity there was for
recompensing this Gentleman. Now since his death
he (Mr. Hume) understood that this:office -was con-
tinued, and that it was actually in the possession of
the son of so Honourable Membei. opposite. lie
wished to know if this was the case?
Mr. H. CLIVE believed that he was the Member
alluded to. He knew of one office being filled by
a connexion of his, but the salary'was by no means
so much as £4410.

Mr. HUME complained that the House should be
called upon to vote a sum for extraordinary expenses
to the third class of Ministers at foreign Courts,
without some statement being before the House of
the nature of the expenditure belonging to those
offices. He saw no reason why the expenses should
not be defrayed out of the grants voted to the Civil
List or foreign expenses.
Lord C A STL ER E 4 GH explained shortly why
this branch of expenditure was removed from the Civil
List and placed under the head, of Civil Contingen-
cies. He observed that the estimates of this branch
had been fixed at £50,000 a year. The sum moved.
for now was 1:64,000. The increase was partly owing
to some additional expenses caused by the late Per-
sian Embassy, which, from its peculiarity, required an
unusual exercise of hospitality.
Mr. HUME repeated his question as to the conti-
nuance of the office lately held by Mr. Colquhoun.
Mr. B. BATHURST said that it was continued—
but at a salary of £2OO a-year only.
Mr. HUME thought that the continuance of such
an office was an instance of gross inattention to eco-
nomy on the part of Ministers. •
Mr. B. BATHURST thoUght that there was no
want of economy in giving this office to the indivi-
dual who held it, af if one of the police-officers held
it, his salary should be increased to the amount, or
nearly, of the emoluments it afforded.
The Resolution was agreed to, as well as the one for
granting .the sum of £lOO,OOO to make certain pay-
ments to the poor Clergy, and usually styled Queen
Anne's Bounty.
The. House then resumed, and the Report was or-
dered to be brought up this day.

• MISCELLANEOUS.
Sir HENRY PARNELL obtained leave to bring in a nil
for improving the Roads between London and Shrewsbury(
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved that there be laid before the
House Copies of the Correspondence which had taken plate be-
tween the Boards of Excise and Customs in Ireland, and the
Goternment in that country, relative •to the Expenses for Sta-
tionety.—Ordered.
On the motion of Mr. ROBINSON it was ordered, that the
House should, to-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee on
.thts Act relative to the Trade to Demerara and Berbice.
. Mr. ROBINSON brought up a Bill to permit the importa-
tion of Coffee from certain ports of South America, into the
Island of Barbadoes and other places in the West Indies. Read
a fust, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow (this day).
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up
ptiffacon the Resoiations voted in the Committee of Ways and
Means, vis.-A NW to raise a loan of twelve millions from the

Ceminiestoners for liquidating the National Debt Bill to
provide for ths amp of guauagkig Us public lunded Debt