Star.
London, England, 1803-03-05 00:00:00

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!ti ion h.rc hero deprecated, and the rnatia.• it. in-
that lied beet: (het% a on the 0:11:r fide to
enter into it, he drill-gilt it unnecetlary to ii,fare
Hotifc it Nt.,; intentiond turn
1011 Z. I -i:elicriably if a diyilion were t.. t. lee
pl ,ce ice tholiht vote for the original motion, but
fo hot- real di:ference of opinion did he fee, that
lie c•nild have no apprehention of coining to .1 c.o.'
viCi :a. Thcre seas hut otie object ptofdied on b.i:h
tides, and he sk is lute the manner of attainiv :hat •
thou: ;h it mi.;ht, in the &it hitt:lnce, di i;.c
Gentlemen dillci-ently, would not ultimately be a
c of diffention. From the tardinefs of the
Ri;,lit Hon. Gen:tern:in (the Chancellor of the Lx
chequer) aril thole aboat him, to reply to the ar
Fiore:lts f his H.n. Fliend (Mr. Fox), he had
reafon to conclude th it they were ready to do that
jnaice to his Royal fliLOinefs to which he is tin•
ei,,idnedly entitled. I- iis Royal Higlinci.s, upon alt ,
gracious intention conceived by his Majelly, and j
communicated to the Houfe by Ilk Majett)'s Niel. I
fi.,ze, with the advice of his Law Otlicers,adopied
the ref olutinn of abandoning, his claims to the'
Duchy of Cornwall. There was no doubt but !
his Royal Highnefs's advifers, as well the one
who had a feat in that Houle (Mr. Erfkine), as
the one who had not (Mr. Adam), had given his;
Royal Higltnefs the advice molt conii:lcnt with
his dignity. But it was not for the Houle to con•
filer that he did not go on the authority orprivate
communications ; he was bound as a Member of
Parliament not to do fo. Was there any reafon to
believe that his Royal Highnefs was indifferent to
the reiloration of his rank and (late, or to the re-
(oration to the fame rank of that family which
had (hared in his ohleurity ? Let Gentlemen look
to the communication made by his Royal Highnefs,
and they would there find it acknowledged that
he was not indifferent. This was not informa•
tion from private authority. The Houfe had it
from his Royal Highnefs himfelf; they bad it on
the face of their Journals. All opinions were
therefore agreed as to the objea that was to be
attained. His Hon. Friend, if the form of his
motion produced any difficulty, would, he was
Pure, not hcfitate to change it to the fhape that
would be lea( exceptionable. Let it be laid, that
the Houle would confider of it. The Right Hon.
Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
laid his Royal Highnefs was in a fituation in which
it was not to be endured that he fhould continue
one hour longer ; that he was in a fituation ill
which he could not have that interchange of hol
pitality with the'noble families of the country,which
it was moil material that the Heir Apparent of
the Crown fhould keep up ; that he could not pro-
mote the arts, patronife talent, or contribute to
the advancement of thofe various laudable inliitu-
tions for which the prefent time was fo remarka-
ble. The Houle appeared to feel as the Right Ho-
nourable Gentlemen did ; but now, as fomething
more was required to accomplifh the objefl, was
the feeling of the Houk and the Right Honourable
Gentleman to be altered ? We were told that
thole things mull be endured for which there was
no remedy ; but if there was a remedy, why
fhould a great and confeffed evil be longer endur-
ed ? His attention to this ruble& had lately led
him to look over what had been done in it in for-
mer times. He bad found in :he former debates
a great deal of afperity, which lie was lorry to
find mingled with fuch a difcufilon. He was pleat-
ed to find that nothing of that kind had entered
into the prefent difcuffion, with the exception of
one Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Johnilone), whole ac-
curacy in figures had been complimented by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer,though that accuracy
had commenced in mifcalculation, and ended in
falfe inference. That Hon. Gentleman declared
himfelf lorry, that a compromik had taken place.
He, on the contr,ry, rejoiced at it, becaufe mulch
difagreeable confequence might refult from the
profecution of the fuit, and the legal advifers of
his Royal Highnefs, who would give no advice
inconfiftent with his honour. The Hon. Gentle-
man conceived it an infolt to the public to firspcife
that therd is any balance due to his Royal High
'leis on the arrears. He was as little inclined to
infult the Public as the Hon. Gentleman ; but he
could not conceive the Public In irritable, as to fly
lobo a_rage at being called on to enter into an ac•
count on a matter in which the belt informed per.
Eons were of opinion that there was a large balance
againtl it. He gave die public credit for more nil
lice and leis irritability than the Hon. Gentleman.
The indelicacy of entering into filch an account
had Rico been mentioned. He knew of no indeli-
cacy in it, itaept, indeed, in the let-offs which
Gentlemen malte againll the revenues of the Du•
chy. Was the' Prince to be told by his Royal
Father—" It IF true, I owe you a large arrear
accumulated daring your minority, but I have
to dedua the expences of your nurfing and edu-
cation; there is to much for your cradle, and fo
much for your coraLand Co much for your pap.and
to much for your b00k.." The whole of the inde-
licacy was in this. The Mince of Wales had (hated
the fame education and the lime maintenance which
had been enjoyed by the Duke of York. They were
buth maintained out of the Qieen's pi ivy parte,
and it was on the occafion of that maintenance
that Parliament had made fo large and liberal a
grant for her Majeav's fervice. The Him. Gentle
man (Mr. Johnitone ) that the fett lement made
in 1795, might not to be changed, and that theme
was no reafon why it fhould not be continued in
Sc. 3. That may he a good argument, but it came
rather late. It ought to have been advanced La(
week, when the original grant on his Majelly's
MelfAge was propofed. The Hon. Gentleman held
his tongue then, and miss., when his Majetfy's
Mefrage had recommended the &ilea to the Houle,
when the Chancellor nt the Exchequer had li•ied
that the object was lo important and fi det.r.oie
as to ado t iof nn delay, when the Houle an
Unted to the priih.iple, and teemed to feel n.,
oche; tiblealial to the meatitre propoled on it,
than that it did not go far enough, the Hon.
G&ntlern•r. erne ot with this argument, which
went ag unit the rind tomiglit in on the ran-
i, jilt of the i•,.+k in every fl..ge. Tile Hon.
ioislueed a cariou, reafon :or not doing
.14Ut: :L. (795. He laid it was

particularly neeelti rc that the Prince ofWales Moults
keep up a greatei (late that in 1795, andhave more
trappings and Li-i:ds of the Bedchamber, Scc. be.
mule there was then a great number of Jacobins ia
the r aiintrv. Thus, Sir, laid Mr. S. though we did
not know it before, and I am afraid the doetrine
will not find many adherents among us even now,
the Jacobins are the grcateil fuppoi ters of the fplen-
dour of the Royal Family ; and as we are told
in the Fable of the Two Owls parched on a ruin,
who laid to each other when the tyrant who
caided the decollation polled by--" long live
King Malfoud, for while he reigns, we (hall have
plenty of ruined viilap,es our Royal Fa.
mily thould lay,—" Heaven fend us plenty of
Jacobins, for they are the bell flipport of our
Rank, and State, and Dignity." An Honourable
Gentleman oppolite ( Mr. Cartwright), and the
worthy Baronet near him (Sir Robert Buxton),
laid that trappings were of no importance, that
chute was every thing, and they deprecated the
athimption of hate and rank accordingly. lie had
no oblation to this dont ime, if the Ichems in early
to invariably maintained, and handed
down to us by our ancellots, was proved to be
foolilh. But IA the rule be general, let not the
fplendour of one be curtailed, while that of ann.
them is extended. If, as a great man in this coun-
try (the late Earl of Chatham) had laid, " Ever y
feather of the royal bird aids his flight ;" though
he fhould not go to the length that Noble Lord did
in laying, "That when they drooped, or were fhed,
the bird would tall to the ground ; " yet all fhould
be cautioufly preferved. In order to bring this con-
tending q ftem home to gentlemen's minds, let it be
applied to the Houfe—let it be fuppofed that the
Speaker polreffedfufficient dignity,andcommanded
fufficient refpat by thole virtues which it was ac-
knowledged he poffeffed; let the Chair be removed,
ht the other badges be 'tripped off, let that bauble
(die mace) he taken away, let the fine bottle that
Was building for him, in which he hoped he would
loon entertain the Members with his accuftom-
ed hofpitality and fplendour, be demolifhed ; let
the Rate coach be laid down, and inßead of pro•
ceeding in it to Saint James's, attended by a
grand proceffion of Members in their private
coaches, let him go on foot with the addreffes,
wrapt up in his virtues, covered with a warm
furtout, and honoured with the privilege of an
umtulla in cafe of rain—(load burfi of laughter).
—Let the Judges be concluded by no Sheriffs or
Sheriffs attendants to the affize towns; let the
Chief Juftice go down in the mail coach, and the
puffin Judges content themfelves with travelling
as outride paffengers—(4 loud laugh). Let the
Lord Mayor, inllead of coming to Weflminfler-
Hall in the Rate barge, accompanied by the feveral
Companies in their Rate barges, let him come in
a plain wherry, without any attendants, and in-
(lead of going back to kart on turtle at Guildhall
with the Great Officers of State and lot eign Am-
, barfaiors, let him content hirofelf with 'lopping on
his way back, and taking a beef Reak at Dolly's
chop houfe :loudlaughing). It was not eafy to have
done with citing inflances in which the abridge-
ment of their happinefs, which foreigners admire,
but which, according to thefe Gentlemen, are not
quite Pimple and unneceffary in the Prince of Wales,
may be effeeed with great laving to the public.—
The Prince of Wales was not indifferent to the re-
fumption of his rank, he fhould be lorry he was,
as he fhould not then have the high opinion of him
that he had. The Houle may, therefore, well go
a Rep beyond Minilters. It was no confideration
that Ministers had done what they had, nor even
that the Prince had abandoned his claims on the
revenues ofCornwall in confequence. Let theHoufe
make its grant for the attainment of the objet de-
fired without reference to any of thefe things. The
debts contrafted fince 1795 might, it was true, be
bronght forward as debts which the Prince of
Wales ought to acknowledge, but which he lhould
be lorry to make known. There would be that
difference between money voted for thefe debts,
and that voted on former occalions, that no perlon
would claim it—(a laugh). There was the Land-
grave's debt alto, unlei it could be fuppofed that
he, like thole creditors, contrary to law, would fly
from payment,except it was clandettine—(a laugh).
It would furely have been much better for the
Commiffioners, in the firit inflance, to have come
to Parliament for an additional grant, when the
original fum was found infufficient, rather than
Itrike off to per cent. indifcriminately. It could
hardly be furprifing that his Royal Highnefs ffiould
now with to make amends for their anconfiderate
deduction. He would hardly be fidpetted of hay
ling any interefted view in fupporting this motion ;
land certainly he would not be fufpeled by thole
who recolleel the declaration he made at that time.
But he though: it a weak thing, that after we had
voted away 250,000,0301. for the fupport of the
Thrones of Europe, an object in which we failed,
we thould not give 103,0001. to maintain the dig.
nity of our own, an objet which we could not fail
to accomplifh.
Lord Howe tszuer asked this credit for thole
who diffionoured the motion, that they were doing
nothing but what was confiltent with the true dig.
I nity of the Crown and the Prince of Wales. It
; appeared that the Meffage of his Majefly had been
greatly milunderflood. There was not in that
Meffige, nor in the proceedings taken upon it, any
thing which gave reafon to itypofc that thole
mealures would he immediately billowed by the
refumpilo:l of the Prince of ‘Vales's Rate. In the'
year 1787 his Right lion. Friend, the then Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, propofeJ an income for
the Pr ince of Wales, which he would have thought
ju it enough. corn; ar:d with the incomes of former
l'rinces of Wales, although nn incumbrances had
exiticd. All the arrangements for paying the debts
score, ther. fore, facrifices on the part of the Prince ;
for the increale of his income Was not made with
any view to their exiilence. Atter what had hap-
pened in 1%5, it would be improper for the Houle
to interfere with the debts of his Royal I lighnefs.
It would not become the Houk to open any new
;account of debts.

Sir Joint WROTTFSLEY declared, that after the
moR minute confidcration ht could bellow on the
merits of the tool lon, he could nn; fupport it unlers
tome Luther proofs were adduced to fAtizty hid