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PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSB OF LORDS, MAY 18.

COMIIIITTIE OF PRIVILCOIS-THE DE USIA PIM AGL

Lord RrDISDALR said that he had minutely inquired
into all the circumstances connected with this title, and
paid great attention to the arguments and evidence ad-
vanced on behalf of the claimant, yet he could discover
nothing which should induce him to concur in establish-
ing the claim. There was one fact that operated very
strongly against it—that was, that from the death of
Warren de Lisle, in the 6th year of Richard 11. until the
21 st of Henry VI. a period of fifty years, the title lay
dormant, without any claim having been made to it.—
In answer to this it had been said, that the descendants
of Warren de Lisle had been females who had married
into noble families, who having in their own rights seat;
in their Lordships' House, were not anxious to establish
a claim which could not advance their dignity; but in
those days, when precedence had been so much looked
np to, it was not likely that any Baron would neglect
to claim a•title so ancient as the one_ in question, if he
considered he had a right to it. In the 21 ,t year of the
reign of Henry VI. a patent of a vtry extraordinary de-
scription had been gramei to John Talhnt ; it, stated
that Warren de Lisle had died, leavin,► issne an only
daughter, Margaret, who had married Thomas de Bar•
clay, by whom she had issue three d.tughters, two of
whom having died without issue, the other had married
John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, ho had issue one
son, named John, who held the manor of Kingston de
Lisle; " and that whereas it appeared that his ancestors
through whom he inherited the said manor, had from
time immemorial the name and dignity of De Lisle, it
is our will that the same be now granted to John Tal-
bot, his heirs and assigns, holders of the said manor.*
He (Lord Redesdale) maintained that the Crown must
have been misled on that occasion : this he would make
appear by the evidence of the present claimant, which
went to prove that none of his ancestors but Warren and
Gerard de Lisle had ever been summoned to sit in the
House. As that dignity had been granted to the holders
of the Manor of Kingston de Lisle, the present claimant
could have no title whatever to it. The present holder
of the manor laid no claim to it, foi their Lordships
would not allow a dignity to be assigned. Then the
question was, could he establish his claim to the ancient
title: whether or not in the reign of Richard 11. a sum-
mons and consequent sitting created an inheritable
dignity, was a matter involved in much mystery. In
the reign of Henry VI. the question, whether a sum-
mons and a sitting created a peerage in fee? had been
submitted to the opinion of the Judges, who returned
an answer in the affirmative without assigning any
reasons ; so that it remained as yet undetermined whe-
ther or not it had this effect at an earlier period. In his
opinion it would be useless to enter into the merits of
the present claim, until their Lordships would come to
a decision on that question, for if they should determine
in the negative, it would prove fatal to the claim.
The Loan CLIAMCSLLOR concurred its the general con-
clusions of the Noble Lord. Without meaning to give
any opinion on the subject before the House, he would
say that their Lordships ought to appoint some active
in elligent person, who would examine into claims of
the present nature. This was at present committed to
he Attorney• General, who was content with examining
the documents produced by the ponies, and to decide
thereon, without enquiring whether more satisfactory
evidence could be produced. He did not mean to say,
that the claimant had withheld any material evidence
on this occasion ; on the contrary, be had acted with
much candour, in giving up some documents which
were calculated to operate against him, and which could
not be otherwise obtained. He agreed with the Noble
Earl, that the question as to whether a writ created a
barony in fee, in the reign of Richard 11. should be de-
cided before they would come to a conclusion on the
present claim. He therefore moved that the further
consideration be adjourned to Monday next. This being
agreed to, the Committee adjourned.
The further consideration of the case of Fletcher and Lord Sondes
has been adjourned until the neersession.
The Loan CMANCILLOR gave judgment In the case of Sir James
Duff e. the liar! of Fife, atarmine the judgment Wy.

MAY 22.
It was resolved, In a Committee of Privileges, that the Earl of
Ilowvir and the Marquis of WA :saran' had made out their claims
to vote for Representative Peers for Ireland.
Tire claims of Lords VIKULAM and kluostristo were adjourned
till Thursday next. Lord Itroassuan, in alluding to the De LWe
claim of Peerage, said that under all the circumstances, he was of
opinion that the claim ought not to be allowed, as tt did not appear
that a writ, and consequent sitting, created a Peerage in fee, in the
Reign of Richard the Second.—Further consideration was ad-
journed to Thursday.
Lord ItEDESDALE took a brief view of the circumstances

connected with the Annandale Peerage claim, and said that before
their Lordships should come to a decision, they ought to have evi-
dence bolero them, that the descendants of those whose title was
superior to that of the present claimant were extinct ; and for that
purpose he moved an adjournment of the case to Thursday.
The LORD CHANCELLOR gave judgment in the cue of Ogil-
vie la Dundas,reverslog the Decree of the Court of Sessions • as also
in the case of Darcy e. Kelly, alliguslog the Decree of the Court of
Chancery in Ireland.
The Earl of DERBY presented Petitions from Suttons, in Ash.
Bald, Broad Windsor, and Leighton Buzzard, against the continua.
tion of Negro Slave Laid on the table.
The Earl of MOUNTFORT presented a Petition from the
Town and County of Wexford, against any alteration in the Circu-
lating Medium in Ireland.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH rose to move the second reading of
the Debtors and Creditors' an, as he understood that no other
Noble Peer intended to nuke the motion, and he did not think that
a Bill of that hnportanet should be allowed to drop in their Lord-
ships' House without some objections being stated against it.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was friendly to the principle of
the Bill, but thought that its details requited too many change;
and corrections to be carried into effect at the present advanced
period of the &Won.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that it would be best to let the
Bill stand over till the nest Session, and to bring it in amended in
its details.

The LORD CHANCELLOR, in that ease, would have no ob-
jection to give Ills assistance to amending it.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH then withdrew his motion for the
wend reading of the Bill, which was consequently lot for the
present Sadao.

The Earl of MALMESBURY moved for Returns of the quan-
tity of Corn and Meal imported into this country, and not ware-
housed, up to the 24 of May.
Viscount MELVILLE bad no objection to the motion, and
stated that be hoped the Returns would be en their Lordships'
table to-morrow.

Lord ELLRNBOROUG II *idled that a Noble Peer opposite
(Lord Bexley) ouukl give him some general idea of the meaolog of