Star.
London, England, 1821-06-19 00:00:00

THE ARREARS.
Mr. BERNAL objected to the payment of the
arrears due upon this grant, since it was voted by the
House, but not accepted by the Royal Duke, three
years ago. He complained of the Noble Nlaiqi.is's
argument, who would treat this grant as it it had been
completed in 1819 ; and that the arrears were due
upon it as a matter of right. In conclusion, he
moved an Amendment, stating, in substance, that
the payment of the £6OOO a-year should com-
mence from the present time, and not beretrospective.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY denied that
he had asked for the arrears on the ground of the

grant having been an antecedent one: or as Atisini
out of a transaction which had been completed. He

wished to be understood distinctly as not considering
the grant an antecedent one, and the grounds upon
which he suggested that it should have a retrospec.
tive effect were these :—lt had ever been the prac-
tice of Parliament, in making grants to the Royal
Family, to use an equitable discretion as to the time
when these were to take effect ; and, indeed, instances

of such practice were not wanting on tie other side
of the House. When a grant was lately I:sic-prised
for her Majesty, and there was still some douist vvha
ther she would accept it, an Hon. Menthe! at the
other side insisted, that still the money ought to be
paid into the Exchequer for her use ; and it she did
not touch it for twenty years to come, yet 'be au
' entitled to arrears even as far back as the da.e of her
becoming Queen Consot t of this realm—( /fear, hear).
He would call, then, the time at which this ese
voted, the equitable commencement of the grain, and
to give the Royal Duke a retrospective benefit twin
it, was no more than these Gentlemen would have
given the Queen. When this House made grants ta
Officers for victories, they always carried them back
to the time when► the services were performed. The
Royal Duke had then refused the grant, home prin-
ciple of self-denial. Ile could have taken it. There
was nothing to prevent his living here; but he went
abroad with a view to economise, aad, if possible, to
save the public money—(Dear, hem•). The sear,
however, which he spent on the Continent wa, from
the increased expenses of his travelling, rather site of
expenditure than saving. He (the Marquis ..f Lou.
donderry) could assure the House that the 11.a...1
Duke in question was by no means addicted to ex-
travagance, but was a man of the most 1 i;iiiar lee
bits—(Hear, hear).
Lord MILTON contended, that as no Bill had
been brought in, there was no ground for proceeding
upon it till laid before the House. If the payments
had been made to the Exchequer for the Queen's use,
the grant would have been then completed. With
regard to Officers receiving the grant to the date of
their services, he would remark, that there was no
ground 4id for their coming before the House until
they had performed the services. The Journal; testi-
fied no more than that an incomplete grant had been
made to the Royal buke, but that was not sufficient
for the House to proceed upon. This proceeding
could not be completed iu a subsequent Session, uu•
less by a Message from the Crown. The Noble
Lord, therefore, objected to the words "conformable
to a Resolution of the House," which he wished to
see omitted.
Mr. CURWEN thought the Queen's name ought
not to be introduced but for the purpose of contrast-
ing her noble conduct with that of the other branches
of the Royal Family, she having given up £13,000
a-year, whilst! not one of the Royal Branches ever gave
up a shilling which had been voted by that House.
Mr. ABERCROMBY and Mr. T. Mutates favoured
the Amendment.
Sir J. GRAHAM defended the original grant.
Mr. DENMAN, in warm terms, censured the in-
troduction of her Majesty's name.
Mr. R. MARTIN defended the grant.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, the Noble Marquis
opposite had spoken of the manner in which grants
proposed for the Members of the Royal Family were
advocated at that side of the house. To that he (Mr.
Alderman Wood) would only reply, that if some of
the Royal Family had not found advocates at that
side of the House, they would have found none at
all—( Hear, hear)—or perhaps would not now be in
existence—(Hear, hear). His Majesty's Ministers had
promised to pay the rent of a house for the Queen;
they promised her a service of plate and carriage,
and other conveniences suitable to her dignity and
station. When she signified her intention of wishing
to have a house purchased, and pointed out several,
none of them could be given ; and the money ad-
vanced to pay for a hired house for her Majesty, was
actually stopped out of her income after ; and out
of her whole quarter's income but a very small sum
came to her. So much he wished to observe with
regard to the liberality of Ministers.
The House then divided, and the numbers were—
For Mr. Bernal's Amendment - 81
Against it

- -50

Majority for the Arrears
SUPPLIES.
The House went into a Committee of Supply,
when a variety of sums were voted for Educating the
Poor in Ireland, and for the Cork Establishment.
Mr.BEECHER(on the former grant, which was one
of £10,000) contended that the Government ought
to make the education of the poor in Ireland a or
tional concern.
Mr. C. GRANT said, that this grant was in aid of
a Society which had been of the greatest benefit to
the children of the poor in Ireland.
Sir J. NEWPORT opposed the grant, unless it ese
to be followed by inquiry and revision of the systole.
Mr. HUMI.:, adverting to the Model School °
Dublin, objected to the rules of this School ; one °,
which operated to the exclusion of Catholics, ler
whose benefit the establishment was intended ;.11e,
rule to which he adverted, was that which provide,.
that no assistance should be given to any schools
using Bibles containing notes and comments. NO,
as all Catholic Bibles had notes and comments, e.l3°
rule operated as an absolute exclusion of Catholics
He wished to place the money at the disposal of
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Catholics, who were to be the objects of the ebantf•
Mr. PEEL said, the Honourable Gentleman rya
the person mistaken on this occasion. The Chung
had not been perverted from its original purpose,
l which was established with a view to educating Ca
tholics and Protestants together. The DonaT °r
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meas. The Schools
khems Bibles might be used if containing no col
as to seine.
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objections from either party. It was the Hoot
able Gentleman who wished to pervert these o'r