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London, England, 1820-08-19 00:00:00

f.'arcri. SUMIINLD, his aseleeree 80P-reitor-General, Mat Cu.
curs, and several others o( the Lfouse of Coanntons.
The only Defaulters were Viscount Paterot to and the teke
of Newt:sesta.
Lord Km; rase end said, the Counsel for the Queen, and fee
the Bill of Pains and Penalties, havipg been beard, he thcueet
it eecessary to interpose, to prevent that Bill from being tree --
mined. It was the opinion of their Lordships that no danger
could arise from a sudden cheek to the treasure. It was ageed
upon that no netessity existed for such a Dill ; and that, on tke
contrary, great danger would arise froth the adoption of itsittelr
any circumstances bet those of the most urgent.necasity.—(fee
j It was a most extraordinary way to vindicate the honour of :It
nation by giving permission to the Queen to continue in th;
course of profligacy attributed to her, upon condition tbet
should remain abroad : giving her impunity abroad, and re-
paring for her the most degrading plutiehments If she should vie.
late the condition. The complaint that the moral feeling of tte
country was wounded by the conduct of the queen was abeetd,
It was the conduct adopted by the House that wounded Oct
moral feeling of the country. Mr. pug he said, that Kings we're
notoriously fond of low company.—(e/ lavg lc—Had her Mae
jesty had opportunities of moving in the rank to which she rte's
entitled? No, The misfortunes to whiehehe had been sebject,
and the crime of beeping company beneath her, were attrib-te-
tele to the series of persecutions which had been put in practice
against her. It was e molt extraerdinary and unjustifiable pro-
ceeding to hear Counsel for this prOsecution under circumstances
which mode their Lordships Judges and Jurors. The character et
their Lordships depended upon the exact administration of j.
and would they not look to the situation in which thty
were placed? They might be reduced to the mortifying condi-
tion of having their interposition rendered ineffectual by the
other Mouse, the Mentions of which might rather attend to the
instructions of their constituents than to the evidence to be
produced: The Wails% law was the course which ought to be
pursued. These was less danger to adopting such a course thee
in milking a new law, especially one which is in direct
,opposi-
tion to the principle upon which our ancestors proceeded in es-
tablishing the existing code. Public benefit would yin Trott
the retracted= of the proceedings. No time was too late fce
changing a bad coarse—no folly was greater than that dere
severing in a bad course.—(hear, hear).—The Noble Lord then
moved, that it was not necessary to the public safety that
Bill of Pains and Penalties should pass into a law.
Lard Lusszoot rose to oppose the 14oticm. He should
speak of the proceeding merely s.s a judicial proceeding, and,
splakkig of k as such, he had no hesitation in declaring that toe
House mast persevere in the course they 'had adopted. He
was ready to maintain that Bills of Pains and _Penalties and At-
tainder were, in caeca of great wrong, abscdutely necessary.
They were a necessary part of the Constitution, and the presets
was one of those singular cases whit% called far so extraerde
nary a course. The Judges had already given it as their ore
nion that the Queen could not be proceeded against for II:rh
Treason; there wu then but one other cons's, which could be
adopted—whisk coterie was, to proceed by Impeachment. Bet
great ineotivenienees would arise from that proceeding, and
it was not quite clear that Impeachment could be substituted for
a Bill of Pains and Penalties. It was certainly a great defect in
the Common Law, that the crime of which the Queen was
chargedorai not a crime. It was greatly to be regretted that
adultery was only punishable by a Civil process; that one cf the
highest crimes was not punishable as other crimes were p-
' niched. Impeachment, in his opinion, could not be adopted,
except the charge was for the perpetration of a crime punishable
by the Common Law ; and if their Lordships proceeded in th.. t
course, their decision might be subject to great objection, sild
probably be opposed by the opinion of the Judges. The acme
with --Which the Queen was charged, would be proved to
have beet committed before she was Queen, when she bed
no public character, with 'duties and privileges belonging to
The acti done by her as Princess of Woks, could hot be pa.
nished as the acts of the Queen. It was certain that de-
gradation was the punishment, and he believed" that her
rights as a Queen would stand against everything but an Act cf
Parliament. She might be banished, but her rithea. as Qum&
would remain. What then would the ',Ouse bAreught to, if
they proceeded by Impeachment? At tie eta-elusion a Bill of
Pains and Penalties must be resorted to, for the purpose of ac-
compliehing the end which their Lordships had in view. The
advantages of proceeding by Bill at first .would then l e
by far the most unobjectionable, for many weighty reasore-.
It v.-as the opinion of the Committee appointed to inquire fr,o
the charges, that there exiited a necessity fie. inquiry, encl:ha
House determined that the Bill nos* brought in was the Alai
Most advisable. The Commons had waited until their Life-
shoirld decide, and actor that decision, were they es give
np their'course ? ender all those circumstances, there Were.ob-
jections to any other measure than that which' thee had almey
frequently discussed, and which they were now bound te, pun'. e.
It was the conscientious opinion of his heart that they wre
bound either to go on, or to say, " Let us drop the question:l-,
together."—(flew ~ hear, hear). It might be expedient to &el,
it altogether, bathe thought that the House bevies adopted
it, could not now renounce it. When first the question re.s
agitated, he had stated, upon comparing advantages and cli.sce-
vantages, that it would be advisable to come to an arrange-
ment. The Noble Lord then said that Lord Grey had him
self stated, that if Ministers thought they could establiah.suce
c es as existed against the Queen, it was their duty to proceed.
Lord Gave observed, that he had said. so; but he qualified it
by adding, that the proeeedint should be adopted merely
cast of groat expedienor
Lord Leveterocn. resumed.-=h had been asked, why; when
there existed no necessity for prosecuting the Queen, if she re-
mained abroad, she should be subject to a prosecution upon
coming home? He could answer, that abroad the Queen would
no lodger be considered as possessing authority and privileges,
and her conduct could not be an example to the people of England.
It was, perhaps, an evil to permit such conduct to remain with-
out notice abroad, but the evils attending that impunity would
be inferior to those arising from a contrary conduct. The Noble
Lord then called upon the house not to be intimidated, but
to pursue their course. The preamble of the Bill was open, and
must go down to posterity. Nothing could ea justice to the
King, the Queen, or the country, but a perseverance in that
course. Ile declaredthat he believed no such feeling existed
in the mind of the King as that of uniting himself to anotho:
i person upon being separated from the Queen—(Hear, hear),--
'as had been insinuated by her Majesty's Counsel. He then
moved; as an amen4meett, that the Attorney-General be called in.
Lord Cary then rose, and was left speaking.

STAR-OFFICE, TWO O'CLOCK.
After Earl GREY had finished, the vote was put on Lord LI-
7ERIVOL'S Amer.dincnt, when the bombers were,
Fox the Amendment st—Acatnst It 65—%, 2jority 116.
hier MAJESTY, We are informed, will nof appear at all mai*
in the House of Lords until the} comenetice with the 'evideOrr.
should the proceedings ever reach thit po rtr
Yesterday, Mr. Alderman. WOOD •received'tw o Addrt sits for
the gotten from Bath: one signtei Ly 4900 feaa.es, the other
by the same number of men.

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