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iAiLENT RY PROMEDING ' tkat measures of restriction were imperiously .clea -
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riOtralt.OF LORDS, Dacamtra 17. .
and he was persuaded he should do their Lordship's
alluded Was, with respect to the.durati. nof the tin, ' -:•
Onen..-i"Mn the Hobs, of Commons, brought tip the-
i. its Din, with Amendments.
an*injustice were he not to express his full coniiition, .
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van thee& up die Irish Election mu.
ILDlReresented a Petition from the Inhabitases - _to •.-
. that the time would never come, when they svoasa, ,•-* '1 ••a. 10
suffer the country to be expoted to a recurrence Of ..... „1.... ii ' .•
oughef Southwark, against the Bilis anus pending hi , , •
11-Ordered to Ilion the table. - . owe danger. He was not disposed to go , • • ~.•.• • :411
lIDNOUTH moved, that die Amendments to the anyftebior statements upon the subject, and he hop .. ....• - ....
•Arnis Bill be agreed to.
rl et DARNLEY raid, he did • not mean to offer their Lordships would suffer the Bill to go to A '
any Committee, where it might receive that consider*. .•
frintto theedmodunfor ieastoakeveroweienonleraitc:. mix tsar the
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.n; tion which they must all be inclined to bestow upon -4. ,
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sot, smog all the obnoxious measures which had beta
it. He was not one of these who despaired of seeihs
I,end to the principle of which he was decidedly boi• the country rescued from the danger with u!sich sr .. •• : -iv
"tuner one atoned*, ia ks mare, did dile which was threatened; on the contrary, however anxious • ~...: ••:1011
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er W 111414WW$ Willibtrantawabristhealid "" might be his feelings for the safety of the Throne and ' :....s...tut:-
ta 'held& doh illailassid ampluaidais tlauseth every
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_while 4,,,,, the Constitution, they were still greatly relieved* t
ci he count rdatipasialai, ' . ,did not mean to the certainty that both this and the other House of •
Asp the aoimaiWithat at di* vb."' might be Parliament had formed the determination of meet- •' ' 4....4 "ie.
breech. 4014111111°, tut 1116-11idifie blld bee° 4°3147 ing, with firmness, the present momentous crisis pa- '.• ... _-. ~.,ist i • .
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tssierabak.pstr stator a Protest which he nor
ogihed, He oivw, hownerw.about4 repeat his iota,. had he the least • doubt that the•countryiroakl ..o. war co •
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Aradag.agahass the particuLlusganse to which he. had ultimately rise superior to its difficulties. ost.Thelthshlar ,•4.5,'...::. • . , 'i • '
ointsorra objected to tbiasivaasishea by the No-
-- Lord concluded with movin(•, flint their llia rabhige ',.is-':. ,• -
I-4;valve themielvers into a Cointsaisee. with, QV : 1: ; - .' • ._ •c' ,
• as tailertasl, ma said that, if tewar ittestior te piers Earl
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tout delay, The Noble fordshen went into a Tempi. served, that though he considefed.thi preei : ' • .14,>••: .•,;;•,-. I'
Dr the Amendments ;• after silk]; be again urged the -the Bill highly. objectionable, yet be 'would;nnt.44„43:-:•::..........1.,-:.'
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of adopting the measure as eosin as possible. the motion for going into a Committee -••• • • 1
GROSVENOR add a few weeds against the precipha.
a which it was sought to carry the measure into effect. himself obliged to acquiesce from the peculiaa tied* • • •^, 1 •
SIDMOL'TII suggested, that the proper course walla shy pnder which he was placed. Yet. hi Must say, '' . 4' . A
tow Noble Lords who thought the Amendments objet- at the same time, that nothing good could be tit. .
,to move that they be taken into consideration this day .petted to result from' all the consideration it mtg. be
its.
Earl of DARNLEY agreed to the suggestion, and . •
receive lathe Committee, if the duration &the Bill 1
he Amendnient.accordingly. werenotitmited. Be was weastarare that particular
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,ORD CHANCELLOR spoke briefly upon the point emergencies might arise to which the existing lawi . .
and, after a few observations from the Earl ortam- would not apply, andthoughibe. sleolild always cling •
i and the Earl of Dimairr, the question was put on the to them with anerrnebtness worthy of the veneration
For having the Amendments printed, which was neva,
i was also the Amendment for postponing the considers- in which they were held by him still' he could not . i
berm The original motion was then put, awl agreed to help reflecting, that in the century which succeeded
. a division. - the Revolution of 1688, such changes of influence . '
snnittous sizatisios' BILI. • ,
d SIDMOUTH moved, that the Order of the had taken place/as perhaps rendered necessary some
modifications in the system of our national jurispru- ..)
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e read fOr referring this Bill to a Committee dence. But when he admitted this, he felt that he ' •
r Lordships. ' He regretted exceedingly that
admitted a most dangerous principle—that which •
tjection should he made to the proposed mea- would tend to sanction freqpent innovation. The 1
or he could awn their Lordships, that with- Noble Earl then argued against the haste with which -
or one framed on the same principle, all the the present measures were urged.; and ccntended - i •
enactments would be of do avail. • This Bill that much of the existing danger arose from long
riginated in the extreme danger to Which the • .
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supineness in the enforcement of the laves. It was •
ry was exposed, and the nature of which it was hisintantion, before he assented to the proposition for a
essary for him to explain, after the long dis- going into a Committee, to move that the operation - a
ns which had already taken place upon the sub- ~ k
of the 'Bill be' restricted to the Ist of July, 1822; and
It chiefly proceeded from the frequency of that it ibenld cease at an earlier period if possiblee.- i '.
ngs, hostile to the established Constitution of ''hen he looked to the Bill, he found it had otigi-
aim : and as so much' had been said with re- nated ntider'pectiliaf chtumatances, and he hoped,
to them, he should - consider it' waste of their when theft' no longer existed, that the measure itself
dips' time.-were he to enter into the details of would-cease to operate. He then proceeded to com-
tanner in which they were conducted, and of meat on the provisions of the till; and'd*At 01.6.-
him* fat' whiCh they 'were convened. They cularly on the clay* forbidding Meetiukto he Mil •!.
founded on .the perversion of .en important unlesialth the concurrence of a Magistrate. This
Iligeb:b* WOPed to: set alwar. "'talus* find would -4406.11! most injuriously in towns that haft . • i
illiPnotorsorir row oot MicUr trelltbllPStitritio2l; penett to Ike itnatid u two parishes, -for in snch •
r hasorward‘ objects perhaps would Wisest de- places no Meeting of theinhabitants could be legally
ed by vioting the preamble of the Bill, where convened. The consequence of this would be, that
were represented as injurious to the public persons could not assemble on subjects essentially.
%placing his Majesty's 'subjects in danger, and important to their interests, as cf trade and corr.'
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luting confusion and calamity. The first consi- merce ; 'and though restriction might be. necessary i
tion which suggested itself with regard to such with regard-to political Meetings, he saw no season
zings, was, Whether, assuming the danger why Meetings about trade should be under parochial ali
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exist as represented, the laws of the land regulations. This new system would depsive the
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e sufficient .to counteract it with effect ? To spun of trade of much of its energy, and the injury
e, however, who should inquire into the cha-• which might ensue was not to be contemilated.—
,er of that danger, it must evidently appear that The next subject to which the Noble Lord adverted,
existing laws did not afford any means which sits the degraded state to which the provisions of the , iii
e powerful enough to oppose it: By them it was Bill would reduce County Meetings, and upon this
necessary that any notice of a Meeting should be he dwelt at some length, commenting at the same
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enpreviOusly, nor did they impose any restraint time upon the severity of the clause for PUnishing
in it when called: • They did net forbid either strangers who might accidentally be present at Pub-
itaty array, banners, or emblems, and they of- lie Meetings. The Noble Lord next alluded to the • • '
td no preventive egiainst simultaneous Meetings, severity with which it was intended to carry all the..
'Meetings ley adjournment, or against seditious measures before Parliament into effect ; and the con-
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being used upon such occasions. There cession afterwards made to the wishes of the People,... •
s one most injurious practice attending these by the removal of sonic of those severities. :-- l•
monis, which was, that they generally originatedthe Libel Bill was before that House, although every . .
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th itinerant orators, whe inflamed the passions of effort Was made on his side of the' Home to do away
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multitude with their harangues. Of all the evils the punishment of transportation for the second of- 1. ,
nnected with them, this was one of the greatest fence, this point was not conceded to them. Yet, in , •
aptitude, yet the laws, as they no* stood, supplied the other House, a Minister of the Crown gave uP
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remedy for it. The present Bill, therefore, had the point. This circumstance he noticed, in order to 'I
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en necessarily introduced, and it was to be hoped chew that it was not yet too late to conciliate the Peo-
at its provisions were such as to answer the ends ple of the country, and gain by amicable means that
*posed. It required six days' notice previous to which could not be gained by coercion. He was happy • .
iy Meeting being held, which was to be signed by to find, that one salutary step had been taken and • 1 •
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least' seven householders. It did not-permit either agreed to by the other House—that of bringing in a
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igs, or any • insignia whatever, and it gave to- the Bill to disfranchise one of the most corrupt buroughp ,
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lagistrate the power Of fixing the time and place of in the kingdom. This was one salutary step towards
le Meeting; while there was a clause forbidding a Reform in Parliament. With regard to Pasha-
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ny Meeting to take place by adjournment. The pe- mentor)? Reform, as it was generally spokeh 'of, he 1
Libor 'merit of this Bill was, that it recognized all was far from entertaining the same idea upon it-as ,
lie constititional rights of the People to meet toge- others did. He never could believe that 'the great
her for the purpose of stating their grievances, and distresses of the country arose out of the existing con- s 1 1 •
eeking redress and that too in a more independent stitution of the other Houseof Parliament ; and he
harmer thin befere, for it did not require that Meet-
ngs should have' the sanction of the Sheriffs. • It believed that a Parliament, reformed in the wayges
nerally proposed, would not be better than the pte- i
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u rded hciwever, against simultaneous Meetings, sent Parliament, and would not impose less taxes on
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tad it's proviiions secured, as much as it *as possible, the People, or be less desirous to involve die country
the 'claim's bf the subject and the power which was in war. It bad been truly observed,. in The Edig-
&ecessary for the purpose of salutary controul. He burgh Review, that the excellence of the British Con-
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thought.theit Lordships would have no hesitation in stitution arose from its diversity, and not from . any
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admitting that some such measure as the present was
ingentiv called for, by the inadequacy of the exist- one excellence in one particular part. the ahlest.
and best men in the cotintry found their way talto
be limited or general in its operation? Yet it ought when it could be done; and be should be gladlo tee
imminent than in 1796, when a similar tionsure was places to great towns, where trade and manutait.hirs
agreed to; in consequence of the atrocious attempt flourished... The concession, thee,- to which' To alp
Which bad been made on the life of bis Majesty. He luded, 'be hailed as a most important one. HO Latt%.
asked their. Lordihips to look to the iidcounts o ship then moved, as an instructieetto tho 41101 e,
these Meetings, as they had been given from day to .. That thel should restrict the duration be *AI
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day, during the last three months, and to reflect on to lite Ist of.Jily, 18- . . _
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ing laws. There were still two paints upon which the Honse of Commons ; and he was sure they never . I
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he thought objections would be made t ) the 'Bill would act against the liberties of their country. Be,
now under considerations and 'the the first of these therefore, would not advocate any principle of change .
would, in his opinion, be more propkrly discussed in et- wild Reform ; yet he would wish to see thetainitd
the Committee. It was,' whether the measure should parts amputated, and some practical good idiaptbd, .
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to be recollected, that the danger was not now less the right of representation transferred front coretir I '
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