Star.
London, England, 1804-06-21 00:00:00

SOLVINIT FISHkRY.

Sir WILLIAM PULTENEY moved the fcccod reading of the
Solway Hillery BILL
Garicral GASCOTNE oppokd it on the grounds that It was a
grafi attack on private property: a Gentleman, who had made a
fortune by his own indullry, punctured the (Rate where this 6thery
lay front the noble family a Annandale. While It was in the poiTer-
Eon of that family this queftloo had never been thought of. After
tome other °actuations he ainelsided by contending that this was a
point for a Coon of Law to decide, and not for Parliament. The
las of the private property could not In this 13111 be made up by a
compearation, aa no (itch thing was claimed it, the preamble.
The SPEAKER oblerved, that It was pettedly competent to a
Committee to leave a chute foe coannaration, whether any thing
of that fort was claimed in the preamble or net.
Mr W. PULTENEY contended. In oppofitton to the Major Ge-
neral (a &nib), that no private property was here Invaded. The
method at lathing pradifed by the Gentleman alluded to, was ille-
gal, and ought, for the glad • of the neighbouring country, to be
put an end to. He hoped, therefore, the Haute would fairly con-
fider the quefUon, and not be carried away by the loudners of the
Major General's voice.
Mr. HURST (poke in favour of the BIM
Mr. CREEYk.Y obferved, that the Hoe. Bamnet had not
made his core, for private property was certainly blared by this
Bill. If the 60tay in qudtina was &Brayed. fame of the Bet
might maw into the nets of the Honourable Barnet. but the coun-
try would be nothing the better for it, for the Honourable baronet
would not fell them cheaper than others would dn. He therefore
moved, a. an amendment, that the Bill be read a fecund time this
day three months.
Tlie Hook that divided on the queltion thin the Bill be mow
read a remold anus—Ayes o—Noes 7h
1 he 818 was of murk kilt.

IRISH BUDGET.

When the Orangtrs owe re-admitted to the Gal
levy, the Houfe was in a Committee of Ways and
Means, and__ . .

Mr. FOSTER on his legs, commencing his de-
tail of the Rate of the Irifh Nation, preparatory to
the propofition of the Budget for the fervice of the
current year on the part ni Ireland. He lamented
ro find the predilions which he had ventured to
urge on the ptobable Rate of that country, during
the difeufflons on the fubjeft of the Union, but too
forcibly •erified by the prefent fittiation of the
finances a Ireland, as compared with her public
debt and expenditere I to illußrate which affertion,
he begged leave to detain the Houfe as &only as
poflible by a comparative flatement of the financial
fituation of Ireland, within the latlten years:

It thc year 17934 PuWie Dcht of Irciand Rood at L t,aaareta
In :lino It Ins Sj.scomoo

And on the ith of January. 1804. k flood at. 434300pc0
And in the reknit year there had been added 9.scc.Coe
%illicit was a Cam connArably grcater than ths quota

A accounts
might he advifable, turedserwife, was not for hi m.l
now to invethgate. Beat if Ireland was to go on in
this way, borrowing in this country the means of
fupplying, from year to 'year the futplus of her ex-
penditure over her revenue, Ole mutt Co inereafe the
rates of exchange agutnil here, already fit heavily felt,
that he mutt be obliged to refort to Tome means of
increafing her exports, and lefcning her imports, in
order to meet the commercial exigency. Dot Co long
as the facility of borrowing in as country pnfentell
an alternative.-that nenffity would not be reforted ,
so, until toe late. Having already flared to the I
Hon& the rapid inereafe of the public debt of Ire-
land fince 5793. he begged leave now to Rate the
comparative produce frith revenue :
In the year then, weigh peoseded die Doles, the
sapeedose swearesed Ireland was £s
Mien She awed as ixe,oco
la tbe Isa yew 2,7119,c00
wflte the daft saw emereats to - - 33Pcniowa
making on the avenge of the three !aft years, a de-
cent!e per annum of 16,0001. Now the intereft and
charges of Leland was adenoma which compared
with the produce of the revenues, left fometbing con-
Adorably Ws than soo,coel. towards paying the
quota of Ireland to the joint expence, which, for the
ala=r, amounted to 4,000,0001. There was alfo
cireumtlance in the revenues of the prefent
yeas material for obfervatinn. It was that in the
itoesunts, fo far as they could be made up of the
produce of Ira Revenue in the prefent year, there
was a deficit from the produce of the !alt year, com-
paring fimilar periods, of fomithing between a and
"moos). fo that judging from prefent profpeas,
there was every reafon to believe, that fo far from
prancing a furplus over expenditure, the produce or
the hi& Revenue for the prefent year would be as is
Mint hest of paper, not Sewing one &Ming to.
wards the quota of Ireland, in the common ex-
=if the Empire. In a fituation fo truly
and alarming,- with an enormous."
grew increafe of-debt—a rapid falling off of re-
&toy of commerce and nsantsfatialret
be thaw Ito* -to fpeak of the laR means 14
useetthg•the difficulty' and ha, would anvil
Gentlemen of Ireland (in tire hearbtA of
wheat he war glad Of the opportunityd :
his fentiments at this nuinsent), wheshq
the fairelt and mat -manly
drtimifchief in the bee, end be 7 td
exigency of the country, 114616dg:4e
tonal taxes adeqeate to the publics
atiiffititre ; in
loch a way, however, as not to • tit Ilaaaa-
Eaftures of the country, orter'peells piefeily on the
feelings of the middling and lower orders of the
people, and at the fame time to render the col-
lation of the revenues in Ireland efficient, as they
ought to be, but which ninny Gentle:den who hard
hint very well knew they were not, by which means
the public exigency would be met with as math et
felt, and as little new burthen, as was prailleahle:
The branch of revenue is which the principle bow
then of non-effeaive colleaion lay, was in the 4I
tillery of the country by the vat number of private
diltillerics, which wholly eluded the King's duties,
greatly to the injury of the fair trader, as well as
to the fraud of the revenue; but notch the country
Gentlemen of Ireland would aid the Goverom:nt of
the Country, in this purpole of rendering the reve-
nues of the country efficient in their collation, with
all their vigilance and influence ; unlefs they would.
in good earneß fet their !boulders to the wheel, the
confequences mull fall heavily on themfelves, and
it would become the duty of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, whoever he might be, at no very dillant
day, to propofe taxes upon their own landed pro-
, party, for there *ould be no other means of going on.
There was proof extant of the good confequences of
loch aid; for, in the year 1785, the Irith Parliament
puffed a Bib for equalizing the taxes with the public
expenditure of the country; the aid and influence of 1
the Country Gentlemen was enjoined, and vigilantly 1
exerted by every Gentleman within his own vicinage
and ellate ; and the c nfequence was, that for a pe-
riod of (even years, not a (billing of new taxes was
found neceffary. If the Gentlemen of Ireland would
now give fimilar co-operation in the collation of
the taxes he was about to propofe, the taxes for the
war being to ceafe with the war, here would Rill be
A permanent and efredual fyflem of revenue ellablifh-
ed, which would enable Ireland to move forwards
with Great Britain, and maintain, he would not fay
merely her own Ration, but that of the whole em-
pire, with which (he was now identified. It mull be
done, to ufe the feaman's phrafc, " by a long pull,
a it pull, and a pull all together," in order to
get Ireland off the bank on which (he was now (Iron-
clad, to let her completely afloat, and enable her to
keep her Nation in the line with the reit of the Britifh
empire. Mr. Potter then proceeded to (hew, that the
cxpence of collating the revenue of Ireland was iu-
crealed in proportion to its amount, from 101. per
cent. in the year 18co, to above 531. per cent. in the
Lett year. There was another confederation on which
it was very material for she Committee to be inform-
ed, namely, the balances in the hands of Collators
of the Revenue in Ireland, compared with a fimilar
item in the returns cf this Country. In England,
with her enormous revenue, the left accounts flew
the balance in the hands of Collators to be but
30,0cc1. whereas, by the laR frith returns on a fimi-
lar head, the balance in the hands of Colledors now
in office, appeared to be Goo,cool. and to prove that
this was not a matter of recent incident, but one of
rapid growth and increafe, be Raced, from a fimilar
account in 1803, it appeared to be 460,0e01. and in
lett year sos,tool. How it happened, he was at a
lots to account, but firmly pertuaded he was, that
fuck a balance ought not to be left in the hands of
any let of Collators whatever, more erpecially when
the preing exigencies of the country were confi-
dered. This account, however, only related to Col-
exilling in office; but if lie looked to the ar-
rears of Collators difmitfect, it would appear that
very large arrears were then due alio, namely, to the

tio.oool, *Lich. thOlgh It Might be Died
ain was very doubtful of recovery. How a*
4 at mso ormossamount ‘oold be allowe
via Oa fossil &revenue; was to him extrieerri-
be cork so blame on any iorßvidual. It was.
_ rather curiouss under the head of Stamps,
though the whole amount of the revenue was Rated
ina,oool. the balance in the hands of Colleftors
to be 86.6001. though the Stamp Office,
money is all received, is in the city of
Is the l'olboffice, alfo in Dublin, the ba-
lance in the bands of Colleaewl, in ttlos, was noted
lobe t 6,0001. though the amount of its revenue is
Bated at only sso,oool. and by the let returns there
appeared a balms with the C..olleaors of 22,9001.
He was fat from fayiag all thofe balances were fol.
vcot ; he was lan great part of them were the re.
vette. But the fault he had principally to find was
with the Treafury Board, in not calling in tbofe ba-
lances in tune. It appeared. that two great arrange-
ments were nec.elfart to adopt, in order to keep Ire-
land from Maori; Sr% an effeaual reform io the
colleftion of her revenne..and fecondly. a retrench-
ment in the expencas of her government. whirih it
was not in the power of the people of Ireland to d-
ila, but for which the mull look to the higher powers
of government in this country, the concurrence and
aid of which, and particularly of the Right Hon.
Gentleman near him, be wits fare would not be
wanting for fo urgent and Decertify a purpofe. But
that every thing praflieable might be effected to tzar
hoznife the public expenditure, and make it (quart
with the public income. he meant, at a future day,
to move for a committee to be eliablithert in this
Country, empowered to examine upon oath, touch-
ing 'every item of the Public Accounts of Ireland
that &all be brought forward, when any doubt what-
ever (ball mire. Not writhing to trefpalit farther on
the time and attention of the Committee, he would
now propofe to hate the inc.:eared Taxes he had in
contemplation, viz.
. Pee Deka aa %era& as the
Tea, peefentPatter at
Pooch vista', £.97 £.25 o 0
- 60 20 0 0
70 16 7 o
90 19 9 4
,ilipsVr Wines 6o 14 o o
open an average of the Imports of the laa
1111410.-' years. would produce tost.cool.. or, according
leo More of laayearotopool. ; but be took it at the
Bream hen: A tax on Malt of 9s. per barrel. which
is only xs. sd. more than the prefent duty, and 13s.
per boareellefs than is paid in England, which he ef-
"ated tQQ
'gpmducet 63 01
are in Ireland.
. ThenelltnZgak
tcazon e duties per
OW eel other! 411. ys. He therefore propofed
ballaiiktireprefisit duty on both Teas. which he
to profit* tio.oooL The next west's ad.
Wm* ter "ea Tolmeco of 4d.aer pound over the
1111111811 f Mlle IL Id. which.,opon an average of
ihe'llallthnert yenta; Would pritdoce t t 5,0001.. The
Sat was sa advitoos of the puritan duty on Home-
-41141. from Its prefent rate of 3s. 94d. per
' This ',cold make 4t,0001. The next
r=7;;Wasation of the Sugar Duties, which had
hoes osolated in the Budget of the left year. Which,
by miffing es. Bd. per cwt. would prodoce on Raw
Sugar sy.crool. and on Refined 3,500 L The next tax
was a Duty upon Affidavits before Juffices of
the Peace. relative to affairs of public charities and
read prefentsents by grand juries, to be laid io the
fame manner as on bankers' notes, and not by corn-
pofition, of which. however, the produce would not
be very large. The next was a Stamp Tax on regif-
tering Freeholds, which, though it might be confider.
ed a delicate (obis& yet he did not tee why it (bould
not contribute to the public exigency yoool. The
next tax he would propofe was a revival of the 6 per
Cent. Duties, formerly payable by retail importers
in Ireland, and cheerfully paid for a long feries of
years without a murmur ; and this he 'throated at
Bowl. The next war a Stamp Duty upon Permits
on the conveyance of Excifeable Commodities from
place to place, from ad. to rs. according to the va-
lue of the goods fo conveyed : this would afford a
good check upon the fraudulent ufe of permits, and
be productive ; but he did not eflintate the fum. The.
next was a regulation on the Didilleries, by inereaf-
ing the number of working d..ys, by which a volt
quantity of home-made fpirits would pay duty, which
would otherwite elude it. Thcfc were the whole of
the taxes he had for the preterit to propofe ; but he
had to add a meafure of regulation, which would not
only be productive to the revenue, but lay the foun-
dation of another, which it was extremely defirable
to efiablith ; namely, an equalization between the
current monies of the two countries to this end he
thould propofe that all the hint duties, internal and
external, be paid to their amount in Britifh money :
this he eflimated at 290,0001. Taking then the whole
together, he ellimated the
Produce by iecreefod Taxes at -
By Regulation

853,000
400.000

3

Malin an hictrafe of - • Lf.253.000
upon a country, certainly not at this ny,ment in an
improving AEC of prolperity ; yet he was happy its
making the- Ratement in :he hearing of many of the
Reprefentatives' of Ireland, with the aid of whole
zealous co-operation he untied the country would
prove well able to bear her quota in the expenditure
of that Empire, with which the was now become
one. He next proceeded to Alit ve, that although
the Union with Ireland had been now four years in
operation; and though Committees had been ap-
pointed to invefligate the joint accounts between the
two countries, yet to this hour no balance had been
Renck to (hew how the countries had been going on,
or whether behind was paying more or leis than
her quota to the ci-mmon expellee. But though the
(bort remnant of the Sawn might not afford oppor-
tunity to produce any fat4hEtory refult upon chili
head, he hoped, by the commencement of the next:.
to have the accounts in loth a nate of forwardneh
as to be able to (hew a clear Ratement ; and in the
interim, he trußed, a given time in the feflion would
be fettled, for bringing forwaid the liith trauma,
In that the Members for that country might have an
opportunity and timely notice tOr attendance. He
then proceeded to move the firft Refolotion, when
Mr. CORRY rote, and profeffed that he had not
the moll dillant intention to throw any impediment
in the way of the Right Honourable Gentleman's
propofitions, to which he withed every hetes. but
he felt is neceiftry to rite and (-Ay a few words in vie-
dicet of the him Government, o; on which Tome
imputation appeared to be thrown, tor oeglcaing to

payable Worarth=tittpiri car : •es„4, Crataa,s4t,
pons siAttl Ached* thle haw
aped Viet yeir idded th hei aclit •m;', ~• •• • • top arm is
fatia ae edded but t 2,5 ••'• .• 7" MOM beg bl
IfTerrillablY ref. 'riiniess however, et
*' cum WM "merlin/ her Weans by though the
her expemlittlfm a teen'hf Ilia, if the combined at 1040001
but 11 eery h* IkoOwitird_ eqnalize ber debt M was laud i
properness ti that of gland, and entitle Namaland where the
to call for a parliamentary reviflon and confoßdation Dublin. I
of accounts and equalization of taxes. How fax this lance is the

yet the Wawa alto hernia et the tittaikat.4ll
The truth Was, the fajta bid batibiltralsthttendLd
to by . the egisnenasent of Lord ; but
the fed wins that in that whiny: the_ board bf
Trealliry had not thofa department-tar. tailed', on.
der their controul as in England. The eanft of the
delay with yelped to the current aecounts between the
two countries was o*ing to the informountable
ficulty of procuring the army and navy accounts for
the empire, and for fetvices that extended over the
whole tate of the earth. The late Chancellor of the
Exchequer had been indefatigable in his endeavours
to procure every account poffible, and accompanied
him from office to office in order to expedite them.
Mr. Cony concluded El withing every fuccefs to the
arrangements propofert by the Right Honourable
Gentleman ; come of them he highly approved, but
had his doubts of the fuccefs of others to the extent

propofed.
Mr. FOSTER. faid a few words in allufion to the
period of Lord Buckingham's Adminittration in
Ireland, when he himfelf and Lord Lifted had been
the means of reducing the balance then in the hands
of defaulting Collators from vo,oool. to one half
the amount, in a very thort time.
Mr. CORRY apologifed Mr having forgot to fiate
that the balances were left purpofely in the hands of
the Collators for paying the numerous army and
yeomanry force on fervice throughout the country,
and faid the furpluffes above that pay remained in
their hands through the difficulty of procuring Bills
on Dublin, fo that Government were obliged to
fend down mefengers from time to time to bring up
the money.
Mr. FRANCIS thought the vindication tit up by
the Right Hon. Gentleman who (poke WI, by no
means fatisfaanry f;r fo grofs a dereliaion of the
public intereft, as that of leaving loch enormous be
bores in the hands of Collators. With refpea to
the prnpotitions brought forward to-night by the other
Right Hon. Gentleman, though he was eanvhsced if
any man had ability to render them (Scantly he had;
yet, when be confidered the wretched Gate of the
country. he was not fanguine enough to hope for his
faced's, though he fincerely wad- it.
Mr. DAWSON objeaad to the propofed Duty oa
Stamps. He was difpofed to throw no difficulty in
the way in regard to the impofition on Wise, has he
confidered it neceffary to increafe that whisk was
applied to (pinks, from a fit regard to the Aerate of
the peOple.
Sir j. NEWPORT, Mr. STUART, end. Mr.
PONSUNBY raid a few words. • z,
Mr. LEE obferved, that when the debt, ariniit
&cold be in the ratio of two to fitireatam
with that of Beglend, these might be
regularity and confiftertcy in the fyftem
live taxation between the two costatries. „4
The fevers' relblutions being agreed to, the =pert
was ordered to be received to-morrow, mad the Sal
to be committed ou Friday
The Scots Additional Fruie Bill was nut pro.
ceeded in by a Committee of the whole Month. ••
The SECRETARY at WAR explaised.,lllthibe
objett of the Bill was to increafe the
by diteinilhing the Wail', and outee.
on the feveraTelaufes, which bang reed
mei
to, the chair was released, and the HAW AO]
receive the report to.asorrow. • "
Mr. STURGES BOURNE bee eithe lip the Bill
to prevent counterfeiting dollars, and ether cants.