Star.
London, England, 1816-02-15 00:00:00

darts ; ESTIMATM

In a Committee di S•ipply, Sir G. WAIZR7.N.
DER stated the estimates necessary tot the Naeal
Establishmentof the country during the peace. He
trusted he shouli ahle to satisfy the 11.nise, that
every attention had 'oeen paid to economy, tonsiste!.t
with the safety oftlie c•luntry. The i•eace est i:dish.
ment must depend on v4rious ciretirnstanses,
out of coT.Lnerce. In respect t!ien to f,Teii;:i f•ta-
tions —ln. Ira East Lieies titere would be no
tion. The Cape stariflr, wh•cl is a new one, and
connected with St.lie:ena, .1
as the Mauritius,
wottid call for a very conti?. Table nnmber of atm;
according to the o= salon of the distinguished Admiril
commanding en th tt station: 1 I ships would there.
fore be emrlayed. to t'le bie,ditemine:4n there would
be a 71. gun s3,i sulvtituted for a5O gen. A small
squadron beatationedlor the protection of the
growing trade in South America and the &Audi.
the mer..thants hari:ig applied to the Admiralty 'for
it. This was a!so a new station. In the JaMaka
and Leeward Isla:lds a unali reduction of the naval
strength would t..ke place. One frigate would be
stationed on rise Nor Lit Americen coast, Ovid on the
African Coe same sqoadren as in the last peace.—
With resp..ct to our'ilome station, there Would be nine
small vest,is, is addition, for the porpose of protec-
ting the revenue against-smuggl-rz. Circnmstances
would call for a larJ.T. mother of men to mau these
vessel;, which, in pint of size, f,iid been increased
from 28 and Stem frigates to 36 and 33. It was
also intended to retain the 4th division of marines,
which, w;th the increased complement of seamen,
would make a total iiierease of men of 5000. This
nt.'s owing to the great increase and growing prosr,
rity of our foreign trade. It was under Stood that the
permanent Pace Establishment was to be 23,000,
which number was less than at the close of an♦. pre-
ceding war. • The vote 'ALA however, he should
now call for, was 53,000, Isom the circminstances he
had jest stated. He had to claim credit of chi! House
for the Board of Admiralty, be the rapidity with
which -the ships had been paid
.off, and also wish
which the peace slips had been manned, the num!).-r
wanting to complete them being only 4910. "I.4im
number of ship m tuned' were two 50 guns,. 14 tri.
gates, and 27 sloops. The Honourable Baronet then
noved—e• That 33,000 sea Men, inchding 9000 royal
marines, be granted fur toe service-of the year.°
Mr. PONSONBY would not object to the vote of
thirty-three thousand, taking the necessity for tins
number on the responsibilil of the Governmeot.—
He could not avoid observing. on the call for twenty.
three thousand as a Frmarent Pea:e E.aablishmenr.
Tbc regular number in lirtuer was was sixteen thou.
sand or eighteen thousand. There was no fear of
attack. We were cliff-Am ly si!:Lsted at the close isf
the American Wiar. whe.: the combined fleets of the
eswtny rode ttinrepant, and compelled the British
fleet to seek s' ester in our harbours. France, at that
time, had as tnany ships as Great Britain--united
with Sp.lin, tante. It eighteen thousand men were
enoagh, why vote twenty-titreaathouiand now.. Thy,'
was no aopearance of a formidable navy. The whole
of the Powers, if they were to be united, could not
produce tweaty-five s,sl of the line. There was no
clanger even !rum America. The Right Honourable
Gentleman suggested the necessity of making some
addition to the pay of Nay.tl Officers, instead of keg).
ingup so.larke an establidirtsent.
Mr. LAW differed with the Right Hon. flentle-.
man as to the danger from America. The Navy of
that Power had returned to port in triumph from si-
limeing the pirates of Bat bury, and were ready to act
against England. Let Gesal4men look to the proceed-
ings at the American Cangiess, and the maritime
situation of France, when Napoleon was hurled from
the Throne. France had at least SO sail of the line
What. The nations Of Enrope were jealous of the
maritime sopenotity of this coutary: Europe and
Ames ica united might vas!) our maritime strength.
—He withed to know why the Vote, instead of
being so low, was not as large as in 1783:' Ide
c'sarged the Hoaourable Baronet with paying off the
fleet in too rapid and inconsiderate a manner ; two
thousand men were paid off in one day, in one port;
that rapidity led t- the disturbances in the North.
Sir G. WARREN'DE[t denied that there had
been an instance of insubotdination in any of the
ports.—(Hear, /star.)
Mr. ROSE stated, that he was at Portsmouth
during the disturbances at Shields, and the ship
which was to carry our Minister to America could
not get

Mr. PONSONBY deprecated the making of ob-
servations in the House of C.,iintoons, tending to irri-
tate At•.terica. Such speeches as that of the Right
Hon. Gentletnan (Mr. Law) was likely to inflame
the people of that country. He (Mr. Ponsonby)
.treaded much the hostile spit it in either country. k
was the interest of both to be friendly. (Hear, hear.)
No two notions had suffered so much.

Lord CAS TLEREAGH also deprecated strong
ohservarions in respect to America, when national in-
-1 ter.:st ought to bind the countries together. He wish-
ed to disceuraft the prejudices of both, and prevent
the recurrence of those anim There was
nothing to be collected from the intercourse with
A:nerica which should p.e.? eny expectation of un- •
I I: ier!dly wishes.
I Mr. FORBES lamented the small remuneration
lof Officers in the Navy on half-pay. They asked for
dread, and we gave them a stone! In erecting a
I*monument to commtinorate their services, Parlia-
m-ut had paid st tribute to their fame; and he hoped
every ()like?, in passing by, would see his name or
his deeds recorded for the notice of posterity. The
poor Officer might, however, very well say, " This
is all very well ; but it is a poor consolation to see a
monument Without a shilling in my pocket." He telt
also surprized that Of in that House had not
stood forward in expressing their sentiments in favour
of their companions in arms. He contended that
the Navy and Army should be on an equality.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
maintained that the Navy half-pay officers had been
placed on a similar footing with their gallant com-
panions in arms of the army. But this subject would
Won come before the House in a proper shape.
Sir J. YO KKE said, the Honourabk Gentleman
(Mr. Forbes) had statadt that whenever any propo.