Star.
London, England, 1819-03-23 00:00:00

APPEAL OF MURDER.

On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, the1
Order of the Day was read, for the third reading of
the Trial by Battle Abolition Bill,
Sir ROBERT WILSON said, he felt it to be his
duty to explain the motives on which he _had voted
en a former occasion against the BM. He had as
many strong objections as any one to the Trial by
-Battle, and the powei of putting an individual to
a second trial ; but he still thought the principle of
the Appeal of Murder ought to be preserved as a
protection for the lives of the subject against the ar-
bitrary commands of Ministers, who might protect
their agents against the ordinary process by the pre-
rogative of pardon. By the Mutiny Act the soldier
was bound to obey " all lawful commands ;" but if
it was always in the power of the Minister to tell an
Officer, whom he might command to fire upon the
people, that he was secured by a pardon already
signed, the salutary fear of the law would be taken
away, and he might be less anxious to consider what
commands were and what were not lawful. As he
did not wish to put the life of an individual purely
at the mercy of a factious or malicious person, he,
should propose that it should be in the power of the,
Judges to stay execution on. an appeal, and that the,
ultimate power of pardon should be lodged with the,
twelve Judges. He should move that the Bill be,
read a third time this day three weeks.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said he should vote with
the Gallant General, notwithstanding the very inge-
nious speech of the Honourable and learned Gentle-
man (Mr. Serjeant Copley).
For Sir R. Wilson's Amendment 2—Against it
64—Majority 62.
The Bill was read a third time and passed.

Mr. W. DOUGLAS moved for leave to bring in a
Bill for Savings Banks in Scotland.—Leave given.
Lird PALMERSTON presented a returh of the
Pensions of Half-pay Officers.
Mr. Serjeant COPLEY withdrew his notice of mo-
tion for to-morrow for the minutes of the Notting-
ham Election Committee.

Mr. HUME moved for various Papers respecting
the Carnatic Commissioners, viz. Letters addressed
to the Commissioners by the East India Company's
Directors, recommending a more speedy mode of
settling the claims of the Creditors-2. Letters from
the Creditors to do to the same efect-3. Abstract
of the Amount of the Carnatic Revenue appropriated
in the liquidation of the Claims of the Creditors-4.
Accounts of the Expenses of the Commissioners from
their first establishment, Stc.-41rdered.
Mr. VANE POW LETT moved is refer certain petitions
rez,ardlng the Darlington Railway to a select Committee.
Mr. LAMITOI opposed the motion. Mr. !know supported it.
lir. kimono Sasoma, Mr. W/141111,11. and Mr. M. A.TAVLOK,
made semi olsonsations upon the subject; after which, as the
motion Ives persevered in, strangers were ordered to withdraw,
and a division took place. For the Committee SO. Against It si.
• Mr. Alderman 'W AITH MAN presented a petition fans two
Individuals, their names not mentioned, against the insolvent act.
_t • Petitions against any alteration in the eisal-daties ware presen-
ted from the following places: The Chamber of Commerce and
il=tts of Glasgow ; Bath, Gloms:sr, Ayr, and Carmarthen.
the insolvent Mks& act, petitions were presented
front at. lbribireelsaryt iimabwadt, Aldhoonigh. Weeks-
field; ami
140 of GDNewillg.i.preeented ; Petition from dim'
Town pf Ablagdoekiisinsrthe blooteent Debtors' Act.
A petition ivaipresented: Rein the Royal burgh of Irvine,
praying a relents ie tic burghe pf Scatang.....Adiouriod•

MR. WYNDHAM W QUIN AVID ab)
THOMAS WILLIAM GRADY.

Tin Minutes of the Evidence, taken at the Bar of the lice .
Commons, in the matter of this complaint, LINT beet pt;;tat
by order of the House, and we conceive, that the. it no viol.
tion of the privileges of that Honourable House in giviot
Abstract of the Proceedings. The who'd 4of tie 4414
and Documents fill upwards of 100 folio pages, ata
would not be gratifying to any Reader to have to
rye
through such a mass of matter, we have thought it tik.).74
compress it into as short a narrative as the nature and itf.z,
tance of the matter will permit

Mr. Carew Smy who was the first ri.
examined, deposed, that lie was a practising E 4
ter at the Irish Bar for sixteen years. On the 214
September last, he called upon Mr. Quin, in (~m,
pliance with the request of the Petitioner ar,ti r
father, in order to know from Mr. Quin what
his intentions with respect to the disposal G: :ft
Clerkship of the Peace for the County of
Mr. Quin stated that his mind was made up, t 1,4:
office was to be transferred from the Pettioner
Mr. Richard Smyth. Witness alluded to an engt
went which he understood that Mr. Quin had

with Petitioner not to disturb him ir. his dike. *.,*.
Quin denied any promise, but admitted that her.;
to Petitioner, "upon my honour, Grady, I shdaid.
very sorry to turn you out of your ofiicc," idias
" I assure you, Mr. Smyth, I am now ve:l sorry
do it, but I must do it." Mr. Q. further obsenti
that he was advised he could appoint Mr. Sn::;:t
during pleasure, and that he meant to have 1.:;14A,
year out of the £4OO which the office yielded, set'..
upon the Petitioner : " but," said Mr. Q. o I expea
in return that Mr. Grady and his family sLcald
rnain politically united with me is the Cowl). d
Limerick." Witness to this expressed some disarpre.
bation, " not," said he, " I believe Iv words, but by
a motion of my head." Mr. Q. then said, lam
sure you must be satisfied that tile proposition I ma'
is reasonable, for I should have a quid pro quo far
grant I give Mr. Grady, and you are aware that
this is all the partonag.r belongiag to the tAcerif
Custos Itotulorum, which I have lately obtaite
Witness asked how far this pledge of support waiw
be carried, 0 because," said he, " you must be awart,
Mr. Q. that as your father, Lord Mount Earle, is ad.
vaned in years, you are likely soon to be called w
the Upper house, and do you mean in that use to
have the influence of Mr. Grady and family vas.
ferred to an; candidate whom you choose to sap.
port ?" To which Mr. Q. replied, " Certainly.
Witness then observed, that as much misundemaad,
ing had arisen as to the communications which bad
taken place between Mr. Quin and other Geatlemes
on this subject, it would be satisfactory to have dal
conversation reduced to writing. .11r. Quin expressed
his acquiescence, and he looked about the room, Li
there was no writing apparatus in it. lime the wiz.
nest, stated, that this conversation took place at lite
country house of Mr. Goold, within three miles
Dublin. Mr, Quin then said. " I shall be in Dil,ht
to-morrow, at three o'clock and if you will be Is
good as to commit it to writing when you go home,l
Shall call upon you, and then look ever it wick yol.'
Witness said, that never thinking he should be
upon in this public way, he took no other tote
this conversation. than afterwards appears, nor
keep any copy of letters written by him with regat.l
to this transaction. Witness wrote an account of

conversation to both the Petitioner and his father, OA
the evening of the day on which it took place, ad
these letters being shown, he recegnixed them. 03
the morning of the 22d of September witness again
LW Mr. Q. in company with Me. Goold. They cal
ed at his house at eleven o'clock in the morning. Mt.
Q. asked, on entering his room, " Smyth, have you
reduced oar conversation to writing ?"—to which
witness answered in the negative, observing that
did not expect Mr. Q. until three o'clock, and that it
Mr. Q. would sit down he would inimedirely
down the conversation. Mr. Q. said, that as he was
going to the Lord Lieutenant's, audience, he coAd
not wait—hut Mr. Q. expressing a desire to hare t-::e
conversation repeated, witness did so, and Mr. Q. de
dared the repetition to be perfectly correct. Witne:-,
immediately afterwards sent the minute of the (-ea-
versation to Mr. Goold, and Mr. Q. accompanied by
Mr. G. called again upon witness between three and
four o'clock, with that minute, which Mr. Q. declar•
ed to be correct, only requiring a slight alteration,
which was made accordingly. But upon witness say-
ing to Mr. Q. "you can have now no objection to
signing it," Mr. Goold interposed, " I think it rigl.:
to apprise you, that I have advised Mr. Quin 'lotto
sign that paper, for you must see that it contains
something relating to the disposal of the profits of as
office connected with the administration of justice,
which I think it right a MemLerof ParliaMent shout
not sign ; but lam ready at any time to come fa-
ward and testify that Mr. Quin in my presence
,:'e•
knowledged it to be correct." Witness added, :Liz
on the first visit of Mr. Q. to his house on the
September, Mr. Q. withdrew his proposition that the
Petitioner and his family should be called upe!'i
vote for any Candidate whom he (Mr. Quin)
think proper to support in the event of his access,o
to the Peerage.
Here the minute of the conversation alluded to
was read, the substance of which appeared in 1. e
STAR on the 25th ult.
Subsequent to this interview, witness wrote to Nlr.
' Gould, observing, that. there was a mistake in the
minute, which it was desirable to correct, as Mr. V,
had promised to arrange for the payment of the COY
a year to the Petitioner from the Clerk of the yei,,
for the time being, whereas in that minute it wk,
confined to Mr. Richard Smyth, and in answer,.
this letter witness received the following answer:-.
"My dear Smyth—l received your note, and perfeclly
cur in the statement you made. Mr. W. Win authoria.s
to any, that your recollection is perfectly accurate, and of
there can remain now no kind of_difference upon the subject.

_
" I am, my dear Smyth,
* " Sept. as, 181 t.."
Your's, most truly,
" Carydort Lodge." " THOMAS COOL')
Witness, in consequence of letters from the Pct
timer and his father called upon Mr. Quin, at t
country-house, near 'Limerick, in October last.
previously communicated with Mr. Maunsell and gr.
D. O'Grady. Mr. Q. denied to witness that he as•
thorized any one to deliver a message to PCtitiODer•
stating thathe (Petitioner) was " as free as air," 1111
at liberty to vote for whom be pleased. Mr. a
maintaining that if the Petitioner and familysePari.
ted their political influence from him, the COO
should be withdrawn. Witness bad no intentioc
delivering an hostile nesbage to Mr. Q. frQUI il.

fr as in his opinion. a; well as that of Mr.
d Mr. D: (Grady, no promise was ab-
;01131 'L
Mr Q although he had behaved
brOKen
d unhandsomely to the Petitioner. Mr.
an
co> oil and M. r D. O'Grady also concurred with
.
Kin thinking that Petitioner should reject Mr.
offer, which was rejected accordingly. On
oc's return to Dublin, he received a letter from
\Jansen, stating that Mr. Gabbett had sent him
tract of a letter from Mr. Quin, stating as Col-
,. Mr. Grady may vote as he pleases, and if
eloose,
- to vote against me, I will not, on that ac-
• deprive him of the situation." This statement
not know to have been written by Mr.
Witness was for many years on terms of inti-
,ith Mr. Goold, who never ceased to speak to
itil the receipt in Dublin of the first discussion
; subject in that House. The object of Peti-
was not, as witness has reason to know, to ob-
, 4:200 a-year for himself, but for the relief of
;fa:ller, who was then resident at Boulogne. Wit-
is the near relation of the Petitioner, and in
11110 with the request of the Petitioner's uao-
,rho was the sister of witness's father, he pledged
rto assist Petitioner by his advice and judr
as far as he could—hence witness was urged to
~,erpse so much in this transaction. Witness was
ire that Mr. Goold had called twice at his house
VA of September. Witness did not, on his
,J Mr. Quin, at Adare, county of Limerick, in
;)cober, mention to that Gentleman that any Parlia--
. investigation would take place on the subject,
it occur to him that it would take that turn.
. beginning of this month, witness understand-
eta he would be called to the Bar, thought it
to apprise Mr. Goold, as a brother B.arister,
was highly probable he would be required to.
:e the letter from that Gentleman which has"
heady cited. To this communication, which
sae in writing, Mr. Goold returned no answer.
had no communication with Chief Baron:
!y urn this subject, but simply in his reply to
nom his Lordship as to what was doing
;wet. was made in November last, and referred.
what -.vas passing in the county of Limerick.
never had any consultation with, or advice
Chief Baron O'Grady, touching his communi-
with Mr. Quin, on behalf of the Petitioner.—.
declared, that he had no other view in taking
Men minute of the conversation alluded to
4r. Quin, than to make an accurate represen-
i that Gentleman's views to the Petitioner
is father. Witness bad understood by a letter
‘lr. Thomas Grady, that unlesi his son (the
nier) were restored to the Clerkship of the
!--Cof this letter, which the witness declared to
ifidential, and the commencement of a volumi-
correspondence, the following is an eittrattj:

• My dear Carew, lkstskigne, tOth October, 1818.
Goo knows, and so do I, that you-had your hands full of
sand I committed to your tutelage, Your perseverance,
aassly, kind, and disinttrestcd, and I am perfectly satisfusd
leillit of your administration. I know not what part
I.:st to‘imire—the coolness and ingenuity with which
Quin on, at his interview with you in Dublin, from co-

to a fall declaration of his passion for bribery and cor-
.; the simplicity with which you conducted him to a writ-
testimonial of that declaration, or the tact with which you
him my ktter, at your farewell interview with him at
, it was a kind of r. r. e. compliment, which you Ingle
the very nick of time ; one moment sooner "tesonld have
ten ear;y, one moment later %would have-been tors,late—.
n: trial: the moment when he was glorifying himself upon
grph., to satisfy him that the battle was only in its infancy.
:oar Tom: be might have had an overweeniug penchart for
£lOO a-year, but he neither wants honour nor spirit, though
was steadiness, which natural deficiency, including want
edgraent, was abundantly increased by the confusion of ad-
ita poured in upon him from all quarters, and the number of
testndiiacry advisers. I had a letter from him yesterday, in
h he pretty neatly recapitulates what you told me is to the
nsixdings below, and says, that his mind being unsatisfied at
inning called Quin out, he had (here and in subsequent places
wits printed in italics are underscored in the original) that
rotten him such a letter, as would make it necessary for
to call him out ; and then asks my advice !
You bed told me, I believe with great sincerity and justice,
he had signified such his intention to you; and your opinion
4e was, that if he did so nobody would condemn hint, To
nobody would, something of that sort must have been a
teuure rather expected than deprecated.—l said to him, that I
;vowed of hl having taken the advice of his friends in the
nmtuace, and of his having vindicated his own feelings in
eased ; for however the sense of the country might be with
in to Quirt's injurious treatment, it would fall from him if
ctook no step to assert himself.—lf Quin let it drop there, I
ktked him to do so too, but to skew a copy of his letter to Quin
(Vetch I hoped be kept) to all his friends,
to tell you what progress I have *been making, for
beset I shall not cull upon you to promote or second airy part of
l'iw4rfire, I hope you don t mean to dery me the consolation ot
memunicating confidentially with yoti open it, or of expecting
you a confidential disclosure to me of the sensation it shall

.et on thy other side of the Irish Channel:4

••a., though revenge Is sweet, yet solid pudding is better.
iaTefore last Friday enclosed a copy of the case, together with
I,lervations and precedents above mentioned, to my friend
;0111,0m 1 should be sorry to see thus hampered—and thi•
u withoet mer.tioning names, except that thy advice pro-
..lolfrorn s Lading Member of the Ilouse--and f put a short

V tie bottom or the inclosure, in the words tollcivring :

' I dexecate and deepise the idea of a threat, but having
r'agitm you advice to your benefit I will here advise yoo.
,Atte yau to restore my son to his ;flee. ot which you have
?riled Lin, by an appointment for life, before the first day
telt inn.ry--43d to inform me by return of post, that you
t_ke the advice I here give you. I shall Expect your
%7,1'.. :Le of November—or if I get no answer by that
4140 ?resume that you rejected my advice, And to pre-
loa 41 further trouble, sod me all further delay, no middle
lo compromise, shall be considered by me as falling wl4hin
o tccpe of the advice I here giv; you.
I.`rt" "met to this:—Either Tom must be restored to
,4 plmitu& of his place, or Quin must be ruined—ruined
'it'xd all rederoptiain; there is in mature no third way.
a
" Yours, T. G."
IL'At was the first intimation he had received of
iLttaion to bring the question before Parliament
al;:rach of its privilege:. ; though in a letter dated
~gne, 27th September, 1118, Mr. Grady, sem
4id he had the means, through Sir Robert Wilson,
brinZing the whole matter before the House of '
•G
11)114ons, with a view to deprive Mr. Quin of the
wee of Cuaos Rotulorum. He did not conceive it
-*le, that when Mr.'Grady wrote that letter, he
tad tecti,:ed any leter from him (Mr. C. subse-
ytrate the letters of the 21st and 23d September.
rust of those letters, both of which were read,

ari account of 'his iMr. C. S.'s) interview with
Clain at Mr. Goold's, when Mr. Quin said, that
all along made up his mind to appoint Mr.
11*, Stnith, who was to pay Ll/4200 a-year to Mr. T. W.
adY, to be enjoyed by him as long as Mr. T. W,
'lady's interest in the county was at Mr. Quin's dis.
V itt
I, he being
those let detcrmined to have a
M quid pro fulc
cond of ters stated, that r. Quin, in
•141? as, with Mr. Goold, called on him (h._____lo-•,4, the
"`z` morning, to .av Ulm, he thought it better e

only pledge Mr. T. W. Grady should 'give, should
be to support him (Mr. Wyndham.Quin)-so- long. as-
he stood forthe county, leaving open ,the question of
the future disposal of his
.(Mr. Graily"s) hlte est.—
After Mr. Quirts departure, he. (Mr. C. S 4 enclosed
to him a minute of what had passed (which minute
has already been published in The STAR) which he
(Mr. Q.) brought back, with very little alteration, al-
though he declined signing it. In the course of the
lettet, Mr. C. Smyth observed, that Mr. Quia having
contradicted Mr. T. W. Grady as to the alleged pro-
mise, the latter had only one of three courses to take:
either to call Mr. Q. out, to stand on his legal rights,
if he should be advised he had them, the third to make
the best terms he could by way of compromise ; and
Ilse (Mr. C. S.) recommended the latter, although the
proposed terms were hard. In his subsequent eta-
' =nation, he (Mr. C. S.) stated that he gave that ad-
vice, in order to prevent the danger of a hostile,
meeting between Mr. Quin and Mr. T. W. Grady;
and without being at all aware that a compliance
with it would be a bleach of the privileges of the
House. Mr. C. Smyth then gave in a number of
letters relating to the subject from Mr. Grady, sen.
Mr. Grady, jun. and others.
Mr. Thomas Goold was next examined. He had
been 13 years one of his Majesty's Counsel at the
Irish Bar. He accompanied Mr. Quin in the month
of September, when he called on Mr. C. Smyth: In
doing that, his sole object had been to prevent a
meeting between Mr. T. W. Grady and *Mr. Quin.
At that meeting Mr. Quin read to himself the minute
made by Mr. C. Smyth of a conversation which had
passed between them on the preceding day, and
denied its accuracy, stating that he (Mr. Carew
Smyth) had made him bargain for Mr.T. W. Grady's
political support, a thing he (Mr. Quin) never
dreamt of, and that he would make no stipula-
tions whatever on the subject. He (Mr. Goold)
had never read the minute or heard it read.—
He had never observed, when Mr. Quin was re-
quired by Mr. C. Smyth to sign the minute, that he
ought not to sign it, being a Member of Parliament,
it relating to a division of the profits of an office mi-
nisterial to justice. Had he been capable of such an
act, he ought not to wear his Majesty's gown four
and twenty hours. He considered the minute a re-
jected and an adopted document ; adopted in that
part which expressed, that Mr. T. W. Grady was to
receive £2OO a-year from Mr. It. Smith ; and that
Mr. T. W. Grady should continue politically con-
nected with Mr. Quin, so long as he continued to re-
ceive that sum ; rejected in that part which imported
that Mr. Quin stipulated for Mr. T. W. Grady's poli-
tical support as a corsideration. On the 21st of Sep-
tember at his (Mr. Goold's) house, Mr. Quin com-
municated to him the substance a preceding con-
versation he had with Mr. C. Smyth ; in which the
latter finding Mr. Quin peremptory on the legal pre-
tensions of Mr. 'l'. %V. Grady to the office, was him-
self peremptory and explicit as to an alledged pro-
mise, made by Mr. Quin ; and that was one of the
grounds of the alarm which he (Mr. Goold) had al-
ready described. 51r. Quin told him, that Mr. T.
W. Grady had said, if the office was taken from him,
he would blow his brains out. The offer of £2OO
did not originate with Mr. Quin. It was the sug-
gestion of as respectable a laian as any in society,
Mr. Comandine, who. Vas ready to prove It at the
Bat of the House. Uporstis honour, he was not
twice at Mr. C. Smyth's on the 22d of September.—
Upou the honour of a Gentleman, and of his Majesty's
Counsel, he had never seen the minute, read it,
heard it read, or bad. its contents communicated to
him. The Moment that Mr. Quin enclosed. to him
copy Of 'a threatening letter, which he had received,
lie told him to defy the villain to the itteestiption.
He had dropped the acquaintance of Mr. C. Smyth,
on account of the char. published nn the sth of
'
February, in all the apers, under which he had
been for five weeks languishing, of his having drawn,
prepared, and testified a corrupt bargain, being the
report of the statement made in the house by Sir R.
Wilson. Upon his honour, he had never expressed
hiniself ready on all occasions to give testimony to
the accuracy of the minute.
FRIDAY, MARCH le..

Mr. Gorge 211awtsellwasexitniiled. He was the
head of the chief Banking Establishmeht in the City
of Limerick, father-in-law to the Petitioner, and a
relation to Mr. Quin. He saw Mr. C. Smyth in Oc-
tober, before he went to Adam, when he told him,
that be bad had a conversation with hir. Quin, in
Dublin, on the subject of I'`2oo a year, and that he
had drawn up a minute of it, which he (Mr.C. Smyth)
produced. The condition on whi4b the Petitioner was
to have the £2OO a year vets, -.that s.t. Quin was to
receive the political interest of 'llp..Grady:at. the
Election.—(The minute was shewn to the.witness.)—
He believed that to be the paper, but. he Could not
particularly charge his memory With it.
belt, the law agent of Mr. Quin, bad shewn him two;
lines of-a note from Mr. Quin, to the fallowing effect;
4, Mr. Grady may vote as he pleases, and if he should
vote against me, that shall not be sufficient cause for
my removing him." He comintinieated this to the
Petitioner, and advised him to accept the 000 a.
year; which he did. Until that-note from Mr. Quin
to Mr. Gabbett had been shewn him, the impression
'on his mind was, that the Petitioner was to receive
the £2OO a year on the condition of his giving his
political support to Mr. Quin, The Petitioner was in
embarrassed circumstances. The. Petitioner's deltettyi,
Mr. Wall, he understood, annually paid to' the .1
tioner £4:00. He believed that Mr. T.W. Grady wok
it for granted that he was sure of the place, in con-1
sequence of some kind expressions used to him by
Mr. Quin. The office of Clerk of the Peace'was ere.
toted by deputy, because Mr. T.W. Grady bat
boy when he got it, was not qualified w fillit..
recollected a meeting at his Bank between Ife:DerbY
O'Grady and Mr. C. Smyth. He suppoied the'Pe-
titioner intended to apply the £2OO a year by throw.
ing it into the general fund, as he was very liberal
'to his father, They had a stock purse between them.l
He conceived that the proposal made by Mr. Qein
to his son-in-law, was such, that he could not in:ho-i
',tour accept of it, as there was the condition of
requiring his political support annexed to it, Hsi
understood the intention, as then expressed by Mr.
Gablaett to be that of gr. Quin, tei be varied trOM
what he understood to have been the intention of
Mr..Quin when in Dablin. The fEeteoc.,,lr
in Dublin he understood him to re re the,
suppo dispose Grady,' bat by Abet letserite
free tof hi. votes as Ile pleased.

The Best %chimp railed Rat Mr. Amid Ga64;11.
xleposed, thabkwitss solicitor at Limerick, and.
ortatieriallr_eratioyed lor pent to Mr. I.N.Quia.-
waa after ail taterriew with Mr. Maimsell•that he

!cent in the month7l4;' OCm-bei. to Mr,y.lQain, at

Adare—bis motive was, as a mutual friend, to pro-
mote a reeonciliatimi between the parties. .In that
conversatimi he stated to Mr. Quin that he understood

the cause oidifferencewis occasioned by an implied
condition of political support being expected from
Mr. Grady—he understood so in his communications
with Mr. Smyth and Mr. Grady the Petitioner. Mr.
Quin's reply was, that as threats had been held out
to him by Mr. Grady, he did not feel himself 'called
upon to afford any explanation, as he was determined
not to be intimidated. He observed to Mr. Qain that
it would be honourable in him to disclaim so inju-
rious a report. Mr. Quin proceeded no further, ex-
cept giving him to understand that the principal
cause of difference arose from Mr. Grady's endea-
vouring to inforce the provision intended for him,
while Mr. Quin continued to hold the situation of
Custos Rotulorum of the county, adding, that he
was determined to be as free as Mr. Grady himself.
Mr. Quin neither admitted nor denied the fact of

having required political support in the conversation
he had with him. He informed him, however, that

some expression had escaped him in the course of his
communications with Mr. C. Smyth, intimating, that
while he and Mr. Grady sailed in the same political
Vessel it was not likely that any misunderstanding
;could arise between them. Witness did not under-
ttand the figurative expression of sailing in the same
political vessel, as an acknowledgment that there was
a condition of political support annexed tn. the an-
nuity; he thought it referred to the possibility of the
Petitioner's father lampooning Mr. Q. and of .the Pe-
titioner himself taking a part peculiarly hostile to his
interest. Witnoss stated that he had afterwoards a writ-

ten communication with Mr. Quin upon the subject,
the answer to which was produced. In this answer
Mr. Q. accepted the proposition of Mr. Maunsell,
' and declaied that he gave the thing during pleasure,
allowing Mr. Grady to vote as he pleased, and pledg-
ing himself, in case Mr. Grady chose to vote against
him, that he should not deprive him of the situation.
Witness conceived that Mr. Q. in this letter acquiesced

in his suggestion of disclaiming the report that he had
,required a condition of political support, the idea of
which condition he believed to have originated in
misconception between the parties. He did not think
that Mr. Q. would engage in such a traffic, or that
he attached such value to the political interest of Mr.
Grady as could make it an object to him. When he
received the note from Mr. Q. he communicated to
Mr. Maunsell that he had acquiesced in every thing
sought for on behalf of Mr. Grady, namely, that he
had disclaimed any idea of imposing any condition
whatever of political support. lie did not know that
the terms had been refused by the Petitioner, until
the very time he believed that he saw a Petition had
been preferred on the occasion, or some Parliamen-
tary debate upon the subjea. The witness then read
a letter, dated Limerick, the II th of October, 1818,
addre,sed by him to Mr. Quin, apprising him of the
assent of Mr. Maunsell, Mr. Grady, and Mr. Alp, to
the arrangement, He knew Mr. Thomas Wall, the
Deputy of the Petitioner, to be a man of integrity,
and had never heard of any complaint against him
in discharging the duties of his office. It was very
much the custom in Ireland for the office of Clerk
of the Peace to be. performed by Deputy ; he had
not interfered in consequence of hearing that a
Parliamentary Inquiry was about to take place,'
and did not recollect having had any conversa-1
tien with the Petitioner on the subject. The. Gen-1
tleman who held the office of Clerk of the Peace
prior to the appointment of Mr. Grady, was, he
believed, Mr. Meredith Maunsell; and he rather
inclined to think that he had acted himself, and not
by Deputy. He was not aware that any communi-
cation had taken place between Mr. Quin and Mr.
Carew Smyth on the subject before his interview ;
the ground of the difference was certainly political
support. He had heard nothing of the minute of a
conversation taken by Mr. Carew Smyth until be
came to attend under the summons of that Honoura-
ble House; he believed him totally incapable of fa-
brica ing the substance of any such conversation, but'
he believed that ; misconception might have arisen
on the occasion.
Richard Smith, Esq. called in and examined.—The
witness stated, that he was now Clerk of the Peace
for the County of Limerick, which appointment he
received on the 22d of September last ; the deed of
appointment contained a stipulation, in virtue of
which he was only to hold the office during the
pleasure of the Honourable W. Quin ; he believed it
did trot, in that respect differ from other deeds of ap-
pointment given to Clerks of the Peace ; it did not
differ from those given to his predecessors. It was
suggested to him, that it would be humane and ad-
visable to make the provision of '2OOl. a year out of
the office for the late Clerk of the Peace. The sug-
gestion was first made by Mr. Consadine, and after-
wards by Mr. Quin, who told him that he was under
great embarrassment in consequence of the represen-
tation Mr. Grady made of his situation, He believed
it was from the Petitioner himself that he first under-
stood there was a condition of political support an-
nexed to the grant of 2001. a year. He had stated
this to Mr. Quin, who authorised him to inform Mr.
Grady that be wanted no such pledge from him ;
and having so done, Mr. Grady professed himself
perfectly satisfied. This conversation took place a
few days before Mr,. Carew Smyth came to Lime-
rick. In the conversation he had with the Petitioner
about delivering up the Records, he understood from
him that whet he had wanted was to have an annuity
settled on him Am. life. He was himself appointed to
the office without solicitation, There were 49 Free-
holders registered upon his property, The Petitioner
had 38 previous to the last Election, and 4.0 were
since registered by Mr. O'Grady, the late Candidate,
His own keeholilera voted• in the interest of Mr.
Fitsgibbosk and Mt. Quin at the last Election. He
_di& not resollectthat►Mr.Q..hidever assigned any rea,
son fqr the removal 'cif the Petitioner from the office,
Mr. Career Aiiiiiith• called in and fortlier esamined.
The witness .eaptasseil -kinostif quit confident. that
Hr. Geoid ACC•13,416/14X14.QU41 Qn dif morning of
the 224 of fsepaamben,when.,ke-Weited upon witness.
lilats,witichi impressed- it more
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up in a great-coat, and wore a handkerchief about
his neck ; and some pleasantries that passed between
them on the occasion.

Here some letters which passed between Thomas
Grady and Mr. Quin, were read to the Hoase. The

vritsess persttered in stating, that Mr. Goold had
pressed himself in the manner he (khe witness) had
stated yesterday.
Tttioasas Goold, Esq. called in and further examined.. The
witness stated, that he had seen Mr. Grady, jun. that day, and
was threatened by him for the evidence he had given.
Mr. T. W. Grady being called in, and having admitted that be
had told Mr. Goold, that if he made use of his (Mst-Grady's)
name wantonly, he should be under the necessity of kicking him,
was committed to the custody of the Serjeant at Arms.
Carew Smyth, Esq. was then called, and further
examined as to the call which he stated Mr. Goold
to have made at his house, in company with Mr. W.
Quin, on the morning of the 22d. The first visit was
about eleven o'clock. He re-affirmed the various par-
ticulars which he had mentioned, and which impres-
sed on his mind the remembrance of the first visit.

He stated that Mrs. Grady (the wife of Mr. Grady,
the elder, was his father's sister), on leaving Ireland,
had requested him to advise and take care of her
son. He was also examined as to his motives, and
is to his conversations with Chief Baron O'Grady,
but nothing material was elicited.
Thomas Gould, Esq. was again called, and Mr.
Carew Smyth's evidence having been recapitulated to
him, with respect to the assertion that Mr. Gould ac-
companied Mr. Quin to his (Mr. C. Smyth's) house
on the morning, xis well as on the afternoon of the
2'2d of September, Ile stated that he had passed a
sleepless night, taxing his memory to try if he could
bring such a fact to his recollection, and he now so-
lemnly declared his " sincere conviction and positive
one," that lie never entered Mr. Carew Smyth s hcu e
but once in his life. He stated that the conversation

alleged to have taken place at the first intertiew was,
therefore, " positively incorrect, and not true." He
recollected no conversation with respect to his'dress ;
he never wore a handkerchief about his neck; the

of September was not a cold day. He men-
tioned, however, that he had driven with Mr. Quin,
_ _

in an open car, and that Mr. Q. wished to call at NI-,
C. Smyth's ; he believed the car stopped at the door,
but neither he (Mr. Gook!) nor Mr. Quin got out, ac.
cording to his " positive recollection; his i,Kr.
Goold's) own coachman drove the car. No other
material point was stated by him, except the fact
which impressed the circumstance of his meeting Mr.
Quin at his hall door, The fact was this—. Mr. W.

Quin," said he," my relative and my friend, thought
it right to bring my pretensions to promotion under
the eye of my Lord Talbot (the Lord Lieutenant);

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there was then a serjeantcy vacant, which he =IA to
ask for me on that day."
_ _ .. . . _ .

Mr. Carew Smyth was called and stated the names
and residences of the two servants who lived with
him on the ‘22.1 of September, and Mr. Goold also
was called on, and stated the name of the coachman
who drove him on that day. [lt will he recollected
by our Readers that these servants were immediately
ordered to attend on the motion of Mr. Lambtnn,
with a view to ascertain which of the two contra..
dictory statements of Mr. Goold and Mr, C, Smyth
were correct.]

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