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very deep-rooted loaded= of their Amy as securities, sad only !Oat ground in any future dere' ce of their Protestant in.
proposed them for the purposes of coociliatke, and in the hope of ggingtions, they should:then be engfged not isteists4fll4,
ol :
settling
the question by . allaying apprebensloos; but, &gnomons,
all necessity for those precautions wow new at an end," and tbe for 0 nsieerattie exception to the Coomtitessaa, bet 19f to
tole of die Constitution. He siva/ that tiro C
~
'.RightflOn. Sedan, 'bad wifely here* from them.
Seems) bleinberabere rose togleiservant the &stow called ou . .climpipo was a questiunAintergen din eompagetiyeaserias ,
Eir H. Panama.. rif the cathr,lic and Protemoot toefigions. Tl 4 Oise.
Sir H. PAIORNELL solid that most al the preview.,
Concessions to the Catholics had become of little avail,, Iflonolsor then proceeded to &woe that do gaiisolAus
laws were framed against the Catholics alone, and trot
because unaccompanied by seats in Parliament.
The to secure an exclusively Protestant l'AfliAltAtit. The
Hon. Member said_he could show the authority of Mr.
rest o..th, as had some time been observed by Losd
Blokes in justification of his opinion, and with • view
Plonkett, was purely one of negation. The pasty
to meet the opinions of a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. was not required to say that he was a Pomo:int 1
Peel) as quoted by the. Hai. Member for Dorset. He . ghat a mile
but, that he was not a Catholic. Se _
..
it
o.
denied that the influence of the Catholic Priests would might take the oath and be no Cberriataian, or be of nO
Imaginary caperem. too
ni:•
for the future be directed to the destruction of the Pro. And
testant Church, or that they would in any degree inter-
ill bor for Newark bad said, that Protestantism was one Grebe
deal loser tviiiilastanri7 "w
uo It.atl aakkesilly got IlWithin their walls. The film
fere with it. It required considerable local information gosotteasoes required by the Constitution.
.Is au. he. !Aiirsir offs
to form a correct opinion upon this subject, and after
'h.
iimmrat'le
Chlitt"ieo" in° tril'inierri"eshed:otdwireniareeg
the most deliberate inquiry his opinion was, that that those wt.:opt:Ott: u
trio. fa
d:cettincerawc
Aiewba.had
them-
the granting of this measure would be the means of 1
n ssesid, that Christianity was part and parcel of the law. and very
diminishing the influence of the Priests in that coi' proper that it should be so. But he denied that it was a necessaryhe
try. In fact the Catholic Clergy had taken no active quastication for sharing in the benefits ofb the Cuslawr brkmist.irint to
part in politics, ,until the body of the people had lite- Honourable Geutleman concolfudikeitir
his
iiolnisvliri,asiri which be desired
rally forced them into it. Beth from letters which be had received, the conclusion. of a speech
the a.cc pliislhawin art this measure
and communications had with the Titular Bishop of Armagh. he the House to tookforward to
could assure the House that clerical interference would henceforth as that which was to bring peace and happiness to the country. '
mainly cease. The state of the law in Ireland was so bad that the Mr. THANT said that, it he -under stood cur thing
*Catholics could DO longer live under it; but be trotted that after of the airman of the Ham anJ Leagued Gentletuau
the proposed measure would pass, peace and prosperity would be who
bad.ust sat down, it were to this-that theteligiou
the portion of Ireland, and by increasing the general wealth, be the
meant of employing and civilising its immense population. Thew of
.the majority of lieland should be the establisteo tea
few observations he felt it necessary to make, In order to do justice loon of that country. That was the course ache Hon.
to the Catholic Priesthood of Ireland, with many of whom behs4 and Learned Gentleman's argument, and out would
the honour of being personally acquainted, and for whine grown' inevitably be the consequence of pressing Inc presei.t
character fur morality of life and conduct every man well acquainted
measure-s measure yielded to the clamour eel the seven
with Ireland felt that tbey were entitled to every respect.
Lord TULLAMORE said that he had to apologise millions of Ireland. The Honourable mut Leal tied
in show them shut these,
to the House for thus rising to trespass on their fatten- Member bad also endeavoured 4
that
there
-lion, but he trusted they would extend their usual cow- was danger in the couJition 1.1 Ireland. an
tesy towards him, while he explained the motives which fore we ought to grant the Catholics ,Ni d. On the,arw.other
governed his vote on this vitally important question.- hand, they bad been assured by the Right Hon. W
In doing this he was willing to adopt the gracious re• tary for the Home Depaitment thiat. there_wainoeliieg
comniendation from the Throne, and speak with as much to tear, not only not in Ireland or Engi and, bus iii the
calmness and moderation as the vindication of himself relations of this country with_ Foreign Pow. Herer..
.
and his friends would permit him. They bad been then was the Hun and Lamed Gentleman in direct
called base, infamous, vindictive bigo!s, and non who opposition to the !tight Hon. Secretary. 6, Who shill
could gloat their eyes with the blood of 'their Roman decide when Doctors disagree?'' How should a poor,
Catholic .fellow -subjects. and that they look on with humble, stupid man, like himself, venture to decide
complacency to the existence of a civil war in Ireland- which was the case? It had been said that the pi tociples
F.hus honor juvat et mendax infamia terret of the Protestant constitution were ,against eachision;
Quem nisi mendosum et mendaceum. but be should like to know what had been the principles
Neither he nor the Honourable Friends with whom he
acted were persons of such a description as they were of the amstitution since the time of Char lei the Second ?
Had they trot been toothiest ow the utter emission of
stated to be, and he despised the abominable ay which
Mss attempted 'to be raised against them. He would the Roman Catholic. from .11 share of political power ?
He should take the liberty . f melting to Bishop Burnet
nut enter into any comparison of the relative purity or for a proof of the correctness ot his opitrion. Bishop flu •
the Catholic and Protestant religions. Ile was on terms
of intimacy with many Roman Catholics, whom he net was a councillor of King William's, and he had beers
called in that 800 e and elsewheie A liberal Prince.-
greatly respected; he knew many good and benevolein
(
l'riests; but he could not consent to sacrifice the Pro- 'The Hon. Member here read a quotation from Bishop
Burnet, setting forth the aspiring namee of the Runtish
testoot Church for any such feelings of personal regard.
It was said that they ought to place their coufidencv in Church, its Clergy not being able to keep them else,
quiet, even when masters, which bad meth K ngt% i.h,m
his Majesty's Governmenobut he felt he could not place disinclined to admit them to power ). He and his it sends
any confidence in Ministers on this occasion. He felt that had been told
they sere all taken by surpiise, and It be spoke strongly. that they were brutes Dad bigot-, but it
toy were so-it was in company of King Wiiiiarn. The
it was because be felt bitterly the calamities. w h cboutirt Homan Catholics themselves avowed their ambitious
result from their improvident, their dangerous in-
fluence in the Protestant Church of Ireland-(Hear). projects. Oyer and over again in their writings, in
their speeches, had ttey mid that they would hot be
Ibe Ministers had practised nothing but delusion upon content with equality. . Authorities of a coo•rss y cha-
the country. They made processions into this, that, and
one duce
had been quoted, but for one such he c .uld pro-
the
oilier part of the country-they. listened to duce ten that confirmed him in his opinion. Let theta
soecclies in favour of Protestant principles ; but while
thee were friendly in Lancashire, they w ere found faiths prevent the accession of these ambitious men to power
-let them endeavour to guard the blessings for which
teas in IVliiteholl. The Right Hon. Secretary now said
thee. he saw no danger in gianting Catholic E mancipa- their forefathers fought, for which their ford .tilers bled.
He should so act, by GOD'S blessing, tothe hitest moment
lion, but he should like to hear him answer his own
speech deliveied so lately as the month of June id. the of his life-(Cheers). He was old enough to remember
that, in the year 1794, when greater danger ..stated in
last yea.? In that speech he took a very different view Ireland than there had since, or than there did now,
of the subject; but yet he seemed to throw out a some. Mr. Pitt, upon Isis own responsibility, bad applied-the
thitig which now, at all events. demanded explanation.
-Tile Right Honourable Gentleman bad stated, remedies the exigency.of the case required. Miriam
were fearful of taking a proper and decided course, had
,that the majorities and minorities in this Hous., gone on from year to year, and suffered the evil to *at.
and especially the altered mete of Ireland, jars- tarn its present intolerable weight. They had so far
Ofied•his present u..constou ional measure; but that he neglected the government of the country, bad so sof-
(i.o: d T) confidently denied. The state of Ireland was
.lured its laws to be abused and evaded with impunity,
then as tiai:quil as it was now, and the divisions in the that the Piorestants had been obliged to unite ter the
House of Commons could form no earthly ground of defence of their properties, of their live., and of their
vindication for the Hight Honourable Secretary. The Boman
t ren
Catholic Church was not desirous of toleration; she did not want cli'ld • . It . was not the friends. of the. Protestants
equality, but universality. Ireland bad always been the chosen who had done this, but his
.Majesty's Government ;
place from whence the See of Rome bad directed its machinations and in order to get them out of their scrape he 'would-
against the Protestant Church and the Constitution of England. not surrender the Constitution. The Honourable
lie was convinced that these measures would enable the enemies Member
i
of the Constitu hay.vg then passed a high eulogium upon the
zion ultimately to accomplish their purpose; and he
*Ovid conclude in the words of the great Lord Burleigit--“ ono. address of the Hon. Member for Newaikoagreeing with
und can only be destroyed by hue own Parliament?' him in the nature of the remedies proper 'tor Leland,
-Mr. It. GRANT contended that those who advocated said, that if the present measure passed, Ireland must
the Anti-Catholic side of the question, as well as the become absolutely and entirely a Catholic counory:--:
petitioners who bad approached the House, bad been With regard to the securities of the measure he could'
treated with the respect they unquestionably duet lied. gee none. He afoul! ark the Right Hon. Secretary.--
He had listened with great attention to a speech de- could Got a Jesuit be Prime Minister ? Let the Right
briefed by the sew Member for Newark. and which was Hon. Gen.leman answer that question in the-negative.
a speech of distingui bed ability ; and although lie agreed Well, then, with a Jesuit Prime Minister, and a Cathartic
in many lithe po. id .ns laid down by that lion. Members favourite of the female sex, what 'bight not the King
yet re diff. red from most of the iiifeiences which 'be be persuaded to?-(Laughter). Hon. Members may
'drew front them. Aithoughl.e gave to the ptoposed Islets- laugh as they please, but it will be no laughing mattes
sure his ms.st zealous support. yet he differed from those tf it come to pass-(Laughter). The Right Honourable
who requited iron. its opi °rents that they should pro- Gentleman opposite had early in the Session let drop
pound some other measure in its place. lie thought it the ominous words of ".f the Nohow; able Member did
enough so induce the House to reject the proposition, if but know all that I know!" Now, he had anxiously
upon its own merits it could be shown to be inadequate listened since its eat ectation that some explanation of
to the objects which it professed to have in view. Au Hon. these mystetious words would be giveM 'The flight
'Member had expressed himself willing to admiCC4eho- Honourable Gentleman has said this, that, and the
lics to all civil offices except seats in the Houses of Pari• other, but nothing to the pit, pose. Tbe onourable
liament. If he thought the Catholic leaders capable of Member fur Inverness had particularly alluded 'to the-
listening to such a compromise, he would abandon obligations which this country owed to Ireland. fps'
their cause at once. It would be an acknowledgment did not mean to undervalue the obligations .the Ho-,
thet they were fit recipients of the favours and patronage 'mutable Member bad mentioned, burthere was one des,
of the Crown,' but unfit to share is the privilege of the liens, and important point connected with that objectoin
Constitution, or to be the repsesentatives of the people. which be wished to say a few worth. He alluded to the
The fis.n. Member for Newark had attributed the very great numbers of Irish soldiers there were in our
evil. of Ireland to local oppression,• and principally standing army. Most Honourable Members, at teasel
to the influence of absenteeism upon the habits and it was.the case with him, who was not in his Mtijesteil
condition or the population. The only reused, he Government, were obliged for a great deal of their in-
b4d beard proposed for those evils by the Honourable fotmation to the publications they found upon their
Member was the introduction of the Poor Laws. He breakfast tables. Now, he had learnt through these
crintendeaf that such a remedy would only be a pallia. vehicles of information that a Catholit Priest had
Live, while the disewe would remain uncured. The lately, in his Chapel, after Divine Service was over,'
Mil. Member for Newark, as if concurring in the idea made an harangue to the sold*, that attended,
that Ireland was unJer the influence of same fatality, whiCh the Officer who attended thought objection-'
Arid most always- be tom by dissentions, had told them Me, and therefore repOrted to bis superior. Through
that the same evils had existed long before the Refor. the same source. too, be hod learnt that nearly
minion, and that they could not therefore be attributed at the last -meeting of the Catholic Association 'eve-.
to religious differences. But the complaint was ral Officers entered the balk in their uniforms, and
lino., nut that some wese Catholics and others P.o. were loudly cheered. These circumstances ' made a deep int-
..e,tants, but that one party in Ireland excluded pandas upon his misil. If so coadderabk opreporden of the
another potty firm what were intended to be .iiiiiiill *eV wee etletweed of Remo Catkekto and taro Wass
..teilas chat
race:mid net
was ire..7r. reader sera of the Irish
equal 'privileges and equal laws. To those who
;opposed the measure upon the giourd of ',Ruing to and bad not such a cOollanee in tit: agaral"
as
;
entrust the Catholics with political (rower, lie would made hint think be Weida mast thestierninible. : Wee shier be
'Arty that they already possesed political po.ver in its bee hed.l.the foreour °testae to that Vow boboo Meyer missed a
lmost formidable and most dangerous- shape, andohat 49
feeble niviVell a ' defence.citi
of the' lain "Illi'ltr "yid
Hao. Member"
;the effect of 'this measure would be to lessen it. He eocelvded by saying, ia the Catholicstu
Would never be satisfied
!maintained that theft was no comparison between the wish Barthian short of absolute ascendency, said a King of their
ration s 1 pio;peCtiee security witch his measure gave WS Pim tbiabroge. . .
to the established institutions, and the miserable state Sr.. H. TWISS conaidsted, the measures which had
of precw inns esktence to woicli they would soots be Oleo. PAPoutoil-.-bolf). OA they bad keen termedo-the
lexposesiwohout.Wob deference to the Hon. Member for 404 'algal; 10 the MOO 1154141. The cleelOwl kid
Newer kohe princliie of the Constitotiou was inequality Walt Pr-ought On to pleat six or seven millions of
of civil rights—Oka' 1, and if they tog their stand open Opponent4s and thaa disk% their suaagth? That was.