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tliere—ftlessOstar. hear).—thai the continuance in Ace
of that alight Hon4eutleneartireeld have been deemed
a o,a,siatee,tsio i 1 change that could be considered-
unfavourahte to'lreitted was contemplated—(Heil;
' he hoped that the simpler ant cif,
(tient An wi h respect to that conntryjsads,
been •eralgerated. lli 111 Friend had said, that it
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was impassible for hini-(Hr. scownlow ), to give hitl
6,61094 id•the plasma Govettnneet, because it was op
posed to the Catholic Ciento—and because that con e•
quendy; alb thet atreitage of Goveratnent would be
' toed fOr"the'peeposefif Combating those Claims.. His
owl; tX of that question was precisely of the same
natiteeas•ahat of -his Hoa. Friend : and if he (MG
'iontOWVAOW) WAIN intik to the principles el the indivi •
duals cotisposlng hit Majesty's present Governments he
somild see that 'the Majority of then+ were favourable to
, the Catkolic•Olai me. So far from its being their inten-
tion t.. apply the patronage .mad the power of Gowen.
'=inencirs resistance if these Claims, he could assure the
Ifouse, that eirth.a'n'ideac,lsad never for a moment been
ijuxgrved; Be trusted; tt Isms hardly nec
the essary for him
to say, that were he not convinced that conduct of
his Majesty's Ministers on that question, would bathe-
' ractinised by a most fair, candid, and honourable ness-
kr.....rbat the patronage, the power and the influence
• •a
if Government, would not be applied for the 'or-
poses referred to by his flon. Friend, he (Lord P. would.
nut continues:ire of it for a single hour —(Cheersl.
Ara 4
110 SE. rose again to say, that he was
perfectly tad:Sadist whet had Wei
.troni the Noble
Lord rel to.the.pr,oduction of the,papers. lie certainly,
not:pressfot them -after the explanation he ha,
roceived.l:Alla he had new learned that Gtivesnment
did not incept to pro_pose a vote of thanks for the, battle
Of Narakits,lee hiM 4
ieff would do it oo the .14th Feb..
nury,, ~.fleftste be, sat dowis,,be would add no. woid
in reply to what etc Noble Lord had said asto the Wept
of precedeiiis.• There was one case eirtitly2ht pourc.
The 6ettlii'4*.copeialta*en was fought against an ally
during peace, and Whde negociatioas woe pending.
The.vote nf •tlseeks in that instance included Sir Arthur
theviesent.l't hue Minister.-4fear,lear.)
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Si* r fat: UIDLE,Y 'raid that he did sot mean to
*find fault with the use of the term "untoward" in the
King's' speech. more particularly after the explanation
which liaibem View ot its *le seepi. He thought the
doverninent'Were justified in their. application of the
term span its fair and reasonable' tonstanctiou.
world ant at this moment question the policy whil
ch
had led to the battle of Navaria ; the time would arrive
when the principle of that treaty must be discussed.—
If its were adopted, then they ought to do the Admiral
justice who had enforced it. For that Admiral, be
could fay that he was most anxious to have his whole
conduct inquired into; there was no part of it that he
was net Alebissugs vs lay besore the public. But these
was a' great distinction to be strewn between not censur.
ing an officer and praising Mtn: A caution respecting
the latter mit ht be justifiable until the ts'eaty itself be-
• came fully discussed. It would be time enough on the
14th to enter upon that topic. At' o the la tuition of this
Administration, he viso.ld accede to the proposal which
had been made—oransely, to 'judge. of diens' by- their
acts : sod be had ao•reastin, 'leum ant thing *With he
" saw at present. io &ark of their good inteations;'sor did
he believe the erneditiesisof•ltelastdAtoold be overldoked
by -them. Changes might ,possibty kave'taken place
in the opinions of *rime. pevstarages Atpbh the t"atlfulic
Question, Out. of Ahoy (hid, the. ,country • 'would, he
..had no rioubt,:bave the beiterst of them. 'They had
in one of tile H•rn. Member s, whaehad•Vsken'thi. even-
iiig;(ll .4 >lll4melovilidine- of. sibs-bsighttst • rind '(lure t
iostances oi .suceia change. df opitti.o, and-an opt ight
. , Man /would always avow snok ao•alteration v hen
came the deliberate conviction sit - hii, • min3—tlkar !)
• . riltat greatque.tiou had-gained ground aA public o; r
:04).1t; ibe nswe it was citspas,iomately canvassed, and
a ~listeued to by the people if rlOs counts!, 'the greater
.stippor t ,iwould.acgoire. Lt..wouW be in's aia to cchi-
•sideelrelatul as.a separate cauats.y. • it -.was as writ co-
.:tided to notice. as they :mate .of •the. Illoitslociumvand
• commette.of the.kingdoes could be thoughtte-be, and
. there could. ha *oar-eater pistukcaban so :hong ine that
;.,eeparme iittefestarne)/I—be,, prominently -urhelci. in the
• ~Aeo partatillse
Lord IiOR.M A NEYNousi glento hien that the env-
'unction of the•preseot4kovestmeei t watoss a. prinCiple
—which was Likely to mod an a favourabk etensideration'
,of those measures Which were essential to the,tratictisil-
. liaation of Leland. [Lord Palmerston • herehuimated
that Me eiteressiou htqrad•urkd ',selecting the Catholif
...:.ques•ion WAS " aeUttia," astir netted with.the principle'
i,of.the present Goaarnmess.3 .That Aurtsti..n hr•f164114
~s)jloyeaantsyl nmat atilt say .was :One indipendeot of Lite,
.I•pertets, and connected with the•o:t.recardesio; bimetal
gertveral of el.* members of *sinew Adasinistratinot..:He'
I,e..niessed that, looking atilw eaisting state of • (hilts;
he thought the present Government hcld..oet the least
;t prospect of tsar quality • to -Ireland. 'The--mere- be.'
nterns ofopinions upon this vital question,aed earring
• into neutiality. could not be tuattetirre of good
, ;quid as 'to the colleageta that wise thus dwows to,
gaiter, one Noble Lotd thiught it. not, •of great
.sseposetace. another thought itought for the present to
, be deferred, and in fact the subject was left. between
:theers, is the post unsatifactory rate •for• thespeace of
I lOC COPElgniti. Whitt he saw eho.wasto be Me leader
trot tine Gasettlintlitt in that House, and heerd at the rue
Alm reports,ef partial coocessioes to the Catholics, he I
• confessed be could nOt.cossiderthe ;return of that Gen.'
tleman to office as a signal for such concessions. • Good'
.measures bad, *welter, burs promised to than; aid
,ithould iseGn4the promise Willed, he would give them'
his supprut, come from whom Abey might. It would be
in vain for the Gneeftsmeet us appeal to that outward
face of tranquillity...nsagarid. while grievances were
bid below. they did lout in thee to the condition.
of 'bat sinhaptg: ,coentry, cirourpstances would, before
&mitres arr4.l*4% Kt depart ft ons their neutrality.'
bliepthl. As TAYLOR' approved of the. use of the.
!ft ',rd .ee untirippv. it .!ipoii-4ibie to the brittle of Nat.'
satin; fur uldar artiunstencci could- he behold such
- an occurrence widupet thinking it to have •happened
mist issoppoetstenfr for this 'country? At to the conduct
of the ;idiom kdosirit villerhid,beieweagated in it, his
talent and depirtatent note.* * tAidetvklued it
ale . be :pricy of- the ortleti
endetimliiiii4seractedenn inclUas sf the-Zeaty itself;
and !eetvoini treed it/ dinstampeietr of Abe' et*
ployerda*Signate' tWitlinut iliac heard to
CoMpletteiplidatioa trice gourds of thib,Teeiri,
iavgraboatd have .biataappoir.,; He hoped. end trusted;
envertheicesi, tit:epees:4 artaild -eta be preserve& V9l*
the Porte, and thatihalcbelequencef of whit' final bi#.
%cot reinld not rO,, as fatal as some bad. predict
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.pens silica the news aiiiire9, Ault tee lii.
one end to the other the -tuns ansinus
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*ens aireaceful terminntroo or t . -4.:___.: sett,
its di as there one . -Pi", ,of
last or the firesent Cabinet woe seas not nano
he heard of this battle ?
L 'id EUSTON expressed hisepprobatien of the enest.
duct of the gallant Admiral in the battle of Nava
and lamented that the Government aid, not inten
originate a vote of thanks to him tot his skill and reake
on that occasion.
Sir F. BURDETT,. while he was ready to admit the,
inconvenience of going into discussions of this kind at;
present, could not help saying, that so far from think-
ing the battle of Navarro ought to be described as at
`• untoward event," he thought it was in the highest
'degree creditable to the character of the qountry, and
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had raised it in the estimation of the cielliied world
.....(Hear, hear.) He had hoped, indeed, that those.
who had had the manliness to have project's, such an
enterprise, would have afterwards had vigour enough
to sustain their posits* tie was,,soryy to see theta sink
beneath the ciectitiell of their own-conception, and die,
as it were, at their own diffidence, after others hash
eiptessed so notch satisfaction et what they had done.
Henwas Arnaud that.snch a feeling skthuld have surt,
wired tabOV the segment of the old Administration,
after they -had lost the benefit of the ahilities eat,
those individuals who had quitted (and he . deplored.
:it) the Admie.isttstinn of the country. For . his
own part, and for his country, .he stunk'. when. the,
kriniet time -canto, be prepared tt; defendtbd pe4icy .and 1
wisdom of every measure connected with the battle of
Navaliti. 11'bcdter viewed as Iquestion i f onnd policy.'
expediency, en by any reference to the general law of
nations. he was ready to defend it. And he could
not too much admire the great ability displayed by
the Admiral and his fleet in she execution of then
perilous duty. The Admiral. was. indeed, beyond
the reach of the censure of those who trembled for
his act; he had already received the sanction of
the executive Government, and the honours bestowed
by his Sovereign fur his valour and prowess ; it was too
late, therefore. now, to call in question the merit at his
achievement—(Heal). Ile had executed the provisions
of V e treaty in the spirit with which its principle •had
been originated, and he ought to be thanked, whether
there were a precedent or nut fur such a proceeding.—
If there were, as had been said, a precedent in point,
then well and good; if not,* let the subject be dia.,
cussed upon its own intrinsic merits, as connected witbl,
those exploits which constituted the restown of that pro-
tessios in which was the main bulwaik,and indeed glory,
of this country, and which bad been spoken of in rather
an " untoward' manner—(Hear).—With respect to the
omission of all allusion to Ireland in the King's Speech,
the Noble Lind had informed them that that country
WAS ill a satisfactory slate, or at least, that nothing had
occurred since the lest Session in its condition to call
fe,r particular or prominent notice. Ile liat.e.l that this
would a .pear hen lii.li subjects came under discus--
siva in that Manse. ,He entertained different anticipa-
tions upon these toincf. He repeated that he was glad
to hear a couplet lis..vowal of the implied reflection
upon Sir Edward Codringtott, nisi hoi'ed that when he
bad acquired glory abroad, he would not have• to eta
.counter difficulties at home. where at least he &mid
oat have undiorthy obst4clts to eticousuer—(licar).• •
...' Mr. V. FIIZGER..ILD Jeptecated discussion et this
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osoment upon queti • s which wee town to receive.
litrthr infm mantel, and must. heseafter be d-bated hi 4
Mare regular !Mut. lie would only make a • passing
allusion to the omission of Ireland in the sPeech.-, if be
could believe th it this omission was intended to convey
laity idea that the new Government meant incase aside
the consideration of the state of Ireland, he could atsute
his Hole. Friend (Mr. )llOwnlov.-), that instead of re-
'paining as he did eith the present AdinMistra.ion, he
should have sepatated from them, and taken his seat
.next hint, to call fen an impiety into • the
.state 0.
hat Unhappy, country. Su. el). when his ll•snourable
Friend knew that the Government of Ireland was
Intrusted to such hands as had been already aler
hided to, he caul not doubt the desire of the
Administration to do justice .to his country, as far as
was practicable. When the Government were only in
offiCaa few alas •, it was too muds toexpect they should
he prepared e ids all these details, unless indeed it could
tie shown that their predecessors in 'office had l. ft them
mattired in Otis bureaus .eady fi.r .eractical use. Ile
could not set the. moss ty for intro4ucing Ireland in
the addicts friitiatihe ti tone, unless some circumstances
Of a very peculiar satiate demanded a notice of that
.kilet.• It had been. done *hen the state of irel end re*
quised measures of special signor ; but happily tUcli
was not no the case a ith 'epee' to that count' y, and he
most anxiou-ly li ped that no. s9eastoes of that kind.
would be rendered re-emery. Besides,, when it vas
borne in mind, that no neeMoty existed for a change i
She Government of that country. but that it was,confided
in every branch to those who were appriinted by Ilse 'Go.
set nment which the llon. Gentleman (Mr. S. Rice) ap-
paved, and of which he had been, himself a member ;
under such circumstances, where was the necessity.
for intenducing the subject of Ireland in the King's
Speitch.? He isould not conceal . from himself that,',
with respect to the great question of Catholic eman-
cipation, much alarm was already excited in Ireland•
by lite change in his Majesty's Councils; but when
they recollected the opinion which had been stated
In that House 'by those who had presided over suc-
ceeding administrations an opinion acceeded to by
the majoritynt that House; and by none more strongly
than by those who had joined Mr. calming,. and who
sere favourable tot he Catholic claims—namely, that the
suceess of this importantquestion could not be accom-
pli lied, but might be greatly retarded, by being Made
what was called " aCaltirset question,,then those who ad-
mitted this could not complain, as the night Hon. Gen-
tleman had complained that the Catholic question was
not substantively mentioned in ihespeech Iron' the throne.
Hewould not plate Fhe recce 4 of this question on the'
balance of vines in the Cabinet. It was, in his opinion,
All unwise and intwotthy. !manner 'A f treating a great
publie quesiion, whsili hail marched forward by the
.feitce lit public opinion: Mint of diem must hale gen
it sire from the depth Of minority end driest in that
Bente, to the height of success and tiiuniph ; Eh) what
:fatit'itill mote remarkable, they had seen it by degrees
`nine' a Victory, over the public mind,. and winning
the supPece. Of thine who.had lees opposed; it in ihh
country; theichne he contended shot it's's% ass ynwOrthy
gicf an unwise way to balance its suttees en the votes in
!hit .Cabinet. :. He conceived it
question—a question that ought to engage the attention
eiklarliament ; and be thought so in opposition to one
ijeoparable ,Menshers who &doted the question, in
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