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ducted with that temper and moderation which theism.
whelmiog magnitode of the subject required.
The Earl cif ELDON rose to order. He admitted
that the Noble and Learned Lord on the Wocemelt had
the same privilege as any other Lord in suggesting what
*etc the tears of the House; but be believed the Royal
iptc 0;99,44.40Q wok quite in ,teder, At ha had
spoken on the piesentatioq, ef 'petition which was et
a nature that might well nide,* him or any other peer
I* sake notice ell,. - •
The I:0lb CH ANCELLORion- The question ah that
petition hid been pin and caetied..
the Earl of ELDON wished that the Learned Lord
*kilt!' soma a little louder. They were not to know, it
seen ed. what theMeasuret to be introduced were, aid
they were not to knovi *hat the [louse decided as to
the_ wetsUres: thit were ibis alight beret. them. No
Man would give a more full and hearty coneurt. este
than he if its object were merely t t annihilate the Ca.
tholic Association ; but, it was understood, that it was
to be received as a sort of purchase money given for
another measure that was under consideration. of
which they knew nothing.. No man, he thought. who
was acqOafnied with the-Ctinaitotion of this country, or
wits its laws, would encert the measure which stand
fsr a second reading that night as a compensation fie
what he coosit'eted securit.ss of cssent at, importance,
He would go farther, and. say that he did not know how
far the Roman Catho' ics might submit to the eliae:fr,ent,
of that Bill for the convenience of ti e patty that sup.
ported them. But if it was intended to put d.ovn the
Catholic Association by that 8.11, he. ?.T.Uttl 6:11 ther he
never heard so exttavag Int an opinion farmed on the
strength of so futile a measure. It hal heel; said, la
reference to a very active member of that Association,
that, if be liked, he could drive through this 11111 in a
coach and few ; but he (Lord EltIon) thougithe might
drive through it in a donkey-cart—(Laughtert.
Lord HOLLAND acriesced in all tb. t had beta
said as to the right of their Lordships tai decide chat
were the forms of that-House; but be must s.y that the
Noble Loid on the. Woolsack had the same light as
any other Peer to speak to a point of order, exactly in
the same way as if he were not on the Woolsack. It a
question arose on which theisLordships were undecided,
to whom was an .appeal to be made but to the Noble and
Leaned Lord who. from the situation. he filled. was
peculiarly well qeslified to itfohns the Howe when it
had departed irons its.regular forms? The Noble sad
Learned Lord had brit fly adverted to the topics which
hod been alludea to, end he did not think it was quite
is order f r the Noble Doke (Richmond) to fallow when .
there was really no question before the House, thistle
the Noble Duke.has) certainly pot rid of that difficulty
by the ingeoious but allowable Parliamentary deeice of
moving an adjoutnment. As to the observatioa of his
Noble and Leatned Friend on the Woolsack, he (Lied
H.) thought they were called for by what had pie.
viously occurred.
The motion for adjournment was negatived without a divides. •
DANGEROUS A.IOOIATION-SKTPREINIOE RILL.
The Doke-of WELLINGTON rose to move the
order of the House, for _the isecond• reading of the Dan-
gcous Association Suppression. Bill. In, conformity
with his duty, it was his.intention to state ti .e grounds
on which his Majesty's Ministers thought it necessoty to
introduce the measure now before their Lordships; but
it was also his intention, as soon as possible, to re-
turn to the question which had been so much dis-
cussed for the last two boors, He intended like-
wise, in adverting to the Catholic Association, to
exaggerate and aggravate nothing in the description he
should give of that Assembly. In the Speech from the
Throne at the commencement of the Session, which
had been submitted to Parliament under his Majesty's
directions, his Majesty • said be lamented that an
Association should continue to exist in that part of
the United Kingdom, meaning Ireland, dangerous to the
public peace, and inconsistent with the spirit of the
Constitution, which kept alive discord aid ill eia
amongst his Majesty's subjects, and which must, if per-
mitted to continue, effectually obstruct every effort per-
manently to improve the condition of Ireland. Such being
the character of the Catholic Association, it was
:most
important that it should not be permitted. to coatinue.
He believed that he was justified in stating, that in the
original institution and form of the Society, calling ,
itself the Catholic Associatiop, there was nothing Mho
gal. The constitution of that Association was not il-
legal, but its illegality proceeded from its acts. Those
illegal acts consisted principally in the levy of a tax
'on his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects, under the
name of tent. and, by extreme violence of language and
tentonent,telculated to create gteat heart-burning: and
jealousies amongst his Majesty s Irish subjects. There
were other-illegal measures of 4 subordinate character.
Treasurers were appointed for receiving and collecting
the tie denominated as the rent," and measures was
taken to effect the complete organization of the Roman
Catholic pcipnlation. which organisation could certainly
have been for no good purpose. Persons were t egularlyap-
p..inted to superintend the organieatioaAnd these persons
assumed a certain kind of authority. The Catholic Am-
ciation affected to assume the character of Government,
and exercised much of that an horny which ought only to
belong to a Government. Besides, the rent raised float
his Majesty's subjects was expended in a manlier saintly
inconsistent with law, good order, and the piesetvatiiin
of the established Constitution. A considerable patt of
that tax, for instanceewas applied to election purpose,. -
This was a matter worthy of the consideration of tbo e
Noble Lords who' were adverse to an adjustment Of
what was called the Catholic Question. It was a fact
that could not be denied, that there did exist, and was
in existence, in Parliament, a Roman Catholic influence.
and an influence 'rising out of the Catholic Associa-
tion itself—(Heer, hear). He did not mean to enter
into that branch of question at present, but he begged
that Noble Lords would not forget it when they came
to discuss those measures. which he should have the
honour of proposing hereafter. Beside the money '
spent at elections, there wets other sums expended
by the Association in an illegal manner, and particularly
in communing the administration of justice in Ireland. •
He (the Dike of Wellington) did not deny that it was
the eight and the duty of every man to watch close'?
over the administration of the law in this country • bet
he could never admit that such a right ought to beese
etched by a eelf-elected Association, having large.soillio
of money at its command, tad employing that
ttaoeef
in promoting its own views, in exciting litigation, slit
increasing agitation • and discontent amongst his 1110'
jesty's subjects. The interference of the Cs**
Association extended 'to every branch of theassildj"
Willies' of justice, for they defended some who
and prosecuted' others by means of the funds in &V.
hands, which they had acquired by levyir.ga tax of
the, people. The interference, commenced with tbs
summoning of. Coroners Juries in-criminal eases. of
'capital nature. The agents of the Amenities) were to
be found diretting the investigation at this early period I i
tad' they also lobs found at a later period, wiles
partiei came before the Magistrates to lay inforwistionvp
[and when itiwas the duty-oflhellggisitates alone to
investigate fltetrantictions; It was quite obvious that