Star.
London, England, 1819-05-19 00:00:00

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piffe4rnednt
tappppoeipateradn_ece—every
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Man in his place—every sentinel at hii post—every
eye on the leader—and ever mouth locked, all Wait-
tile for the word of command with the most disci-
pl ned s fence and attention. The Noble Lord would
not do well-drilled Whigs the injnstice to suppose
that they had sacrificed their consciences to the views
of their leader, or that they had signed a bond of
unqualified obedience, constituting him their politi-
cal Pope—(A laugh.) But whatever might be
it
:the
cause, their subordination was most complete:
kept them to their duty, insensible of fati ue d
'even indifferent to natural refreshment—(Cieb: and
'even and
laughter.) As to the Gentlemen on his own sidesof
the House, he believed they were not so strict in
their muster and arrangemeht, but perhaps it was,
that, like all victorious armies,-they were nurs d aist;
the lap of Indolence, to the.injary of their discipline.
(A laugh.) But he had no doubt that they wolnule.
d
again rally round principle, as they had done before,
land proclaim to the country and the Right Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) that such a trial as
he was making of the temper of the Hoitse was not
to be passed over with Impunity—(Ped cheering.)
lie trusted that the friends of Government, iorerior
as they were in numbers, were not to be overcome by
superior dexterity and managetnent ; and however
the Right Honourable Gentleman might display the
effects of his prowess in reducing chaos into ordor,
yet that spirit and those principles which had already
borne the country through its past dangers, would
-still maintain her cause, and ensure her triumph and
security. Tice Noble Lord concluded amid loud
cheers, by declaring that this motion would decide
whether the Right Hon. Gentleman was to enjoy the
confidence of the nation, or whether the good opi-
nion of the country, its wishes, and its strength was
still with his Majesty's Ministers?
Mr. G. L 4MB commenced by observing, that the
Noble Lord had attributed to the Right !fon. Mover
the practice of a political dexterity • but he would
put it to the House whether for die last half hour
the Noble Lord had given them any thing else but
specimens of his dexterity?, The Honourable Mem-
ber then vindicated the Opposition from the charge
of giving a vexatious resistance to the measures of
tiovernment. Though they 'had diebred with the
ftiends of the war on the propriety of its origin, yet
during the whole continuance of it they had never
opposed a vote of supply, though they pressed upon
,Government the necessity of negotiations when op-
portunities offered. The consequences of the was had
since justified the opinion which his Iron. Friend had
entertained of it ; the most dangerous of those con-
sequenees was the present state of financial embar-
rassment. He did not intend to undervalue the re-
sources of the country, but to extricate it frem its
difficulties was a task beyond the powers of the pre-
sent Ministry. The Hon. Member then paid some
encomiums to the Noble Lord and his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Canning) individually, but declared that,
as Ministers, they did not possess the confidence of the
country ; therefore a change of Ministry was required.
There was something in the Administration which
,even success could net raise. and to which even the
;sot splendid events could not impart their bril-
liancy. The Honourable Member said there was a
littlenesy of management in their proceedings which
'disclosed the dificalties they endeavoured to conceal
—(Mar, hear.)—Of such a nature was the scheme
'relating to Exchequer Bills, by lowering the interest
for the put pose of lowering the National Debt.—
The Honourable Member observed, that if the want
of popularity which attended the present Ministry,
was is consequence of their war measures and perse-
verance in the system of Mr. Pitt, that unpopularity
came rather late—it would have been better d
oha it
operated to the prevention of the war, instead of !.‘
lowing its afflicting results—but it would teach na-
tions, in future, to pause before .they committed
themseltoe to wars, the evils of which no human
power could afterwards awn,. The Hon. Member
declared, that the principle of economy and reduc-
tion would never he adopted by the present Ministry.
He also protested against the mode of doing business
by Committees as unconstitutional, and as 'dragging
e Executive Power too much into the vortex of the
House. The cause of economy required eternal vi-
gilance, and an eye ever watching expenditure. 'The
measures -of the present Administration were very ex-
ceptionable, and it was not surprising that their sys-
tem of *nances should be so deranged, when there
swas so much discordance in the Cabinet—(Hear,)—
, The Noble Lord had undertaken to charge Gentle-
' Men on that side of the time with being regularly
disciplined and marshallee. in array against Admini-
stration. He (Mr. G. Lamb) seriously lamented that
he was unable to retort the charge upon the Noble
Lord's party, who could be accused of every thing
in the world but unanimity. There was no one sub-
ject upon which they were all agreed, as some were
found in the House voting for one questions and others
of them opposing it. lie conclueled,hy aying that
the present circumstances of the country demanded
some inquiry, and under the conviction that this mo-
tivn would conduce to that, gave it his support.
Lord CLIFTON spoke against the motion, but in
a tone of voice inaudible in the Gallery.
Mr. R. MARTIN observed, that as the question
was now reduced into a very narrow compass, being
nothing more than whether the House would select
the Gentlemen on the Opposition or those on the Ma-
i-
nisterial Benches, for the Members of Administr
tion, he must claim his right to express his opinions
upon it. If the contest of the evening wis tro be
contest for power, he would call on the Right Hop.
Leader of the Opposition to step manfully info
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arena, and there meet the Noble Lord face to fig4l
(Loud laughterfrom both sides gfthe How.) II
call upon him to do this, in order that the caniptigh
might be shortenedoted he (Mr. Martin) migh,Vitke
his tette diseessitand depart for his coutitim
freland.—(Laughter confirmed.) He repeated the at-

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be litatenea; it tie
sit war of posts..--
nen, whom he saw
for a moment on 1
!embers of the
form, the House
caved no obligation to the • present to de.
e present
Government--
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then nation.
they had not returned him for -the County which he
represented, though one proof of their popularity in
it might be deduced from the circumstance which he
was going to relate. Ile had canvassed 12,000 Free-
holders resident in his County, with the standard of
Government unfurled—.-(loud and vehement In:teeter) ;
and had in consequence obtained a great majority
over the mighty minion of Opposition, Dennis Bowes
Daly—( Continued laughter, and cries of Order, order,
from different parts of the House).— A 4 the House
did not seem inclined to hear him any further hd
should sit down.
Mr. W. WYNNE thought the question too much
involved in the consideration of what probable Ili
fluence it would have on the change of Ministers':
and however well he was disposed to the preyldus
question, feeling that the House was averscfrOm it,.
he had made up his mind not to vote at all.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL spoke warmly in Favour
of the motion. He complained that no steps were
taken to amend the Poor Laws, which Mr. Horner
said had the effect of putting the people into a state
of villanage. He also combated the notions adduced
by the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) to justify the war
with France,.and contended, that considering the re-
sults which flowed from it, so much blood and trea-
sure was badly spent in such a cause. He concluded
by denying that place was the object of the origina-
tors of this motion ; and gave it as his opinion that
the confidence and hold which they already had in
the good wishes of the people, were more consolatory
than power sustained by unpopular means.
Mr. SINCLAIR said, that the Right Honourable
'Gentleman who had proposed this motion had saved.
the House a great deal a trouble, by stating his ob-
ject to be to induce his Royal Highness the Prince
Regent to dismiss his present Ministers. He thought
that the Honourable individuals who held the Go-
vernment of the country were held up to scorn and
contempt by the motion ; hut he was far from hold-
ing opinions of that description respecting Ministers;
and saying this he might add, that he had the honour
to be elected a Member of Parliaseent by the free
and unbought votes of a county—(The remainder of
the Hon. Member's words were inotiible in the Gat!
ler#, owing to the burst of laughter whir) on the Oppo-
sition side followed the .deliverf of okeervation.)
Sir FRANCIS BURDETI said, that the subject
to which the Motion now before the House referred
was one so yast, and included so many objects, that
the eye could scarcely' take in the view which it
suggested.- He felt inclined to address thelieose on
this subject as a Roman Emperor had addressed the
Senate" Non
.seribani vobis, retires Conseripti Tx/
quod non possum seribere," &e. If the object sai the
Motion before the House was brought forward merely
for the purpose of effecting a change •iO
niseration, he was ready to say, thatfor.his part'.
did not lee what great advantage wpo/d be derived
from it—(Hear, kepr, and some laughter.) He did not
care what effect his remarks might produce on either
side, if they served to elicit truth. An Honourable
Member who followed the Noble Lord (Mr. George
Lamb) had almost contradicted the force of his.ar-
gunaent, by his excessive candour in praising the
Noble Lord who had then just sat down. He had de-
csribed another Member of the Administration (Mr.
Canning) as possessed of great and transoendant elo-
quence and of talent which no one will deny. It
was therefore strange that the present Motion
should be considered as 'calculated to produce
merely a change of Administration—(Hear, hear!)
He (Sir F. Burdett) would say, that he knew the pre-
sent Administration to be justly unpopular through-
out the country at large, not merely in consequence
dnancial difficulties, bu t on more important grounds
.—On the grounds that they had sithverted all the an-
cient bulwarks of the Constitution.—( Cries of Hear!
hest! from the Opposition sidc.)—lt was by subset-
yiency to Ministers that the Parliament itself, though
a new one, had become unpopular. When the Noble
Lord was praising the discipline of the forces, gnus-
tared, as he was pleased to say, by the Honourable
Member who brought forward this motion, he might
be considered as at the same time making an ha-
rangue to his own troops, whom he would call his
household guard.—(Hear, hear, and laughing on the
Opposition side.) He feared that no impression would
be made on these disciplinarians, for a majority of
tae House still consisted of the nominees of Peers ;
and here he could not help saying, that such interfer-
leace in the election of Members for that House was in
the highest degree opposed tosonstitutional prior iples.
The Honourable Membery in the next instance, pro-
ceeded to notice the extreme distress and difficultitta
which, as he stated, pervade the whole manufactur-
ing and agricultural system. He believed, he said,
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was at the end,
of all his schemes, and that if he were to propose an
,Income Tax, it would be acceded to by a majority in
that Douse, however repugnant it• might be to the11
feelings of the people. He could believe, that even
,Income Tax, if brought forward by the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer, would be acceded to ; for, al:
though he was the least likely man in the world to
dupe any one, he had persuaded the House.that
one-pound note of the Bank of England, together
with a shilling, was worth ooe guinea in gold, at a
time when the guinea was selling in the market for
much mere—(Cries of Hear, hear, and laughter.)—
The Honourable Member nest took occasion to al-
lude to the state of Ireland, the people of which, he
said, were rather iiiitated than injured under reli-
gious pretences. With respect to that country, whiela.
had been so ;ankh misunderstood, and couceraingl
'which so man), absurd prejudices prevail in England,
he said, that in the visit which he made there, he
had been most agreeably disappoiuted. Injustise
and prejudice, he said, had represented the Irish as
.savage, but if they were so, he could only say; that
they were the gentlest on the face of the earth—(Hear,
hear.) Ireland was perhaps the only country in which
if a person' were thrown on the shore, solitary and*.
stitute of every means of support, he might
craves
over the entire country, and would .obtain the, spia•
patby and hOspitality of the poorest cotiaget,
ski
whose door he should present himself—(hear,

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