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&testiest% colorised vt:ltlan litill
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for our investaga - • t'on but allusions :have
ire • • ofde to tic size
,s 4 the country, . which it is!
ma silend re enue, ence. The p
isrosperken ous;
rook to pe,s over in spo
,ofthe arts, commerce,
the Addiess ; but we are yet to learn whether 1
~i
agrieultere is included. The Right 1
wor
-Gentleman had recognised the depression of a
id%
role gists oft the ,fiociety, very consfderable
o Jess than ibe agricultural interest of Eng-
But, the assertion in the Address binds the
~ nothing ; it is one which should. naturally
ra from those by whose counsels the nation has
"tweed to its present condition. But great
portion is the responsibility of those who,
lig put such an assertion into their master's'
s, will be compelled early in the Session to
Itoelietlee, that the bankruptcies had been fre-;
It and extensive,
'I not in those places nun'
tely connected with our foreign trade, yet
st in the home marker, in that market which
I,ooe etclusively supported, by the landed in-
if after seeing shops empty and without cut-
. hots covered with debts, of which not the
pet will be liquidated—if, after victories *such
neer dared to expect, after dictating peace to
work', yet, notw:tlittanding all this, being in a
deressed state than in 1810, we should inquire
cause, if is asked how it could be otherwise ?
Asedlords receive no rents, how can they pay
if from the prosperity of our trade be taken
wog part, comprising our whole domestic
01 which foreign commerce is but the orna-
f, wall weight of responsibility must attach
, otters who could advance so large an as-
oae part of the Honourable Baronet's
ch itulocei some little satisfaction, as it respects
eureerous Treaties which have been lately con-
d, He has contrasted the Utrecht Treaty, in
• England made a most improvident bargain,
g all the advantages of Marlborough's victories
Godolphin's counsels, with the late ones. The
ag WAS very creditable to the feelings of the Bu-
rble Baronet, and from-the tone in which he has
of it, I have been induced to hope that a
ty has been concluded with Spain and Portu-
the only Slave Traders, to forego that infamous
, which, in consequence 14 Bonaparte's reso-
, has been abolished in France. I. hope that
tie present Treaties we not only have not ob.
an Atsiento 'Trade, which would, perhaps,
1. felony, but that the King of Spain has
compelled to terminate that crying evil,
h, next to the persecution and butchery of
own subjects, outrages liiimanity—(Hear, hear.).
c~tthat ;that contemptible tyrant—contemptible
every thing but in the portentous power he un-
posscises of doing evil—the tyrant who
rhos the brave men to whom be owes the
one wl.ich he so unworthily fills—whose slightest
ce is the usurpation of his father's rights— who
ant nay the greatest slave trader out of Europe,
the greatest slave master and maker within it--
nit that we will neither supply him with slaves,
't I before observed would be a felony, but that
will be compelled also to abandon the traffic him-
. I shall feel the bitterest disappointment if olit
the 60 or 70 treaties will not secure -this object,
•Wally *tier the speech of the. Hon. Baronet.
Chancellor of the Exclseqiter,,no doubt, reserves
selffor thatflouris!ling state of gie finances which'
Webers promise.!, and agree ou his word to.
bask Set oven hese we have already experieit—
• no sligit disappointment, that, after hearing from
Hon. Memberl Hr. Methuen) of the dissolution
the spell of Europe's degradation, and that the
.ten's rod had been broken, we sht.uld be told
the Chancellor of the Exchequer ttfat one half
the Income Tax., That unjust and tormenting
, will still be continued. Was it for this
re have fought the battles' of Europe ? Have
splendid 'victories fed to this consequence ?
must this burden, hoavy in itself, parti but • cts•
distressing froin the mode of collecting it, be
need—nn cynsequet sae,too, of the flourishing state
the public revenues.? • If it were possible for the
.try togs on, would we have been thus threat-
on the very first night of the Session But I
that this hint will nut be lost outside these walls
t our constituents, As many of us as have Con-
on—(Near, hear)—w,ll exert them.elves on this
taut OeC4SIOII. I shall reserve myself for the

ions po nts comprised in • the Speech, when they
peon ,alicr occasions before the consideration of
!Haw; but I .cannot help viewing the internal
of the country with the same Anxious alarm as;
Item manifested by the Honourable Mrn:ber who
Ned the Amendment. I feel that the House should

Ige itself to the country to terminate the I,.ud•and
complaints now universally advanced : but I
lot klp hoping that another way will be sound
meds. the distresses than those promised by the
nt }lomat able Gentleman. He has, however,
that we shall be relieved from some burdens--
w, from the litsocelfor of the Eschequee.)—
r. diallipoinoment is then the greater ; for I flatter:-
114 w with having caught at some vague capres.
eeich I-construed into a premise of that nature.
date we then ,to understand, twat at the vet y m 9-1
"elm, to use a common expression, grain is a
lin the market—that the war-tax on the malt
'sal be continued—that .no reduction will be,
tad in any of those impositions which were con.
aually imposed during the war ? 1 hope that thv
w.ll not separate this night,. without seeing
le limber more verssitt in she subject than my.
Rise notice of a motion relating to it.. There
11147 other cireumstaaces connected with the
hal concerns niche country, and which press with
qui severity on the landed.interest, that demand
4%6 The immediate interposition of farliament.—
lims preventing agi iculturalists from exporting
itsiderable part of their staple produce, for the
Hairy advantage of some less considerable class
icietYi require revision. The usury laws arc cou-
ld', unjust, and have been unanswerablY proved
If Sir Francis Bating, in 0113 House, about sixty
!since, and yet they still continue .to•fetter the
dal commerce of the country. There is no one
act of which the Agricultural classes have more
eto comphin, than the existence of these laws.
Ilaresmt difficulties might have been considcrahlY
licked, had it been possible to raise money at any
approaching to die legal rate of interest.; but the
h laws prevented that, and the interest was in-
tg au ova whelakins degree, in proportion tc die


dais* attending else lenclet.. A mearefftal
buifedi of the poors' tatei should be "efFeded ;:t=
seat the weight altogether opFesses the 'land-
I ought to apolOgise to the Hpusefor thus occupying
its time, but the hopeless tone of the Right lion.
Gentleman opposite, induced me to enter into the
subject; and I cannot even yet teratinate, without
alluding to the economical arrangements promised by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. fa the existing
circumstances of the country, it would be a robbery,
a cruel aggravation of the general distress, if we
did not ascertain the smallest. possible• amount at
which, consistent with our honour and security, the
expenses of the nation may be liquidated t if ft:wt.,
islands be accepted by treaty, for the sole rile
wise of supporting establishments, placing new
clerks to increase the patronage and power of Govern.
ment. The Chancellor of the Exchequer desires,
that in the investigation of the estimates we should
,examine then by detail ; this I readily premise him.
to do, and I believe I mey undertake' a similar en-
gagement foe my. friends at this side the Meuse-re,
(Hear, hear.) —Nothing is more our object than to
enter into such an inquiry. We would not value the
estimates in the mass at the paper which comprised,
them. The proposition we have to solve is the mi.
&mum of expense, and that we will investigate in
every department and class of society, from the
Prince to the peasant."—( Hear, hear.) J
Lord MILTON rose to express his assent to the
Addressesas containing all that was necessary on the
present occasion. The time would soon arrive when'
the House should speak to the nation, not by wore'
and addresses, but by acts. The Noble Lord ob-
etted to the Amendment as proceeding too ter, and
holding out pledges which it might' not be the
power of the House to redeem. Speaking as an indi•
vidual, he hoped that by proper attention, the burdens
of the people might be relieved by oilier means than
those mentioned by the• Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Allusions had been made by the Right Hon. Member
to the eleveted.station now enjoyed by this country.
What secret meaning the Ministers may attach to
this expression was to be explained; but if by it was
understood that England should become A great mili-
tary power, and as such compete with Russia or Aus•
• •
ma, it would be impcssible for her to meintain her
liberty. The Noble Lord observed, that he alluded
to this particularly, because he understood that a love
for the military strongly manitested itself in a peculiar
quarter. He hoped that the Honourable baronet
who moved the Address would, on a future occesian,
concur in establiaing a system of economy suited to
the state of the country. • He now learned, ter the
,first time, that Ministers resolved to continue the In-
come Tax. Last year it was asked for the purpotw
of winding up the expenses of the war; bet the Coate
cellor of the Exchequer had not as yet condescended
to inform the Hause whether he vomited it for that
purpose, or to meet the general contiugencies. The
Address he considered to be extremely meagre, be-
cause the Speech here a similar character. Tire
people were left generally in the dark respecting the
real state of the country. He not Mean to say
that the people were actually uninformed of the Tree.
ties lately concluded, but that the Ministers never
'published authentic copies of them in the Gazette, and
it was, he believed, from the Rhenish Novae" the
they had been chiefly obtained. In commending the
peace, it should be considered in reference to the du•
inability of it, and the gearentees by which it was se-
cured ; the time was not conic for examining it by
those stond;rds ; but it would not,perhaps, be found,
on cemparison, that our laic negotiators should be
esteemed superior to those who conducted the Treaty
Of Utrecht, to which some allusions had been previ-
ously niade. •
Mr. PRESTON alluded to the,distressed state of
the agricultural interests of the country. He said
that the weight of taxes which oppressed them was
twice their amount. He recommended a revisal of
the entire system. to which be thought the House
should pledge itself, and, in consequence, he voted
for the Amendment.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY observed, that how.
ever tin eilling he was to discuss at that reply period
the question of our foreign peticy. lie could not, in
consequence of the speech of the Chancel: rr of the
Exchequer, suffer the House to separate, and construe
his silence into an approbation of the principles
which had been asserted.. He would concur with
the Honourable Baronet in appreb.uion of the peace,
and lament, with him, the continuance of his Me-
jesty's illness ; but he would deprecate the concur-
rence of the House in the new *system on which Mi.
sisters had begun to act. The system was new.
in as much as Ministers had, not long since, ohs.
avowed the principles on which it was established.
—They had declared that war was Made personally
with Bonaparte, and had protested against compel-
ling France to receive any 'particular Government.—
But since Parliament separated, new principles were
avowed.' A British army, had been sit= employed,
tend wits even now employed, 'to preserve the Beur-
bous on the throne, without any regard to the feel-
ings or wishes of ate people. Ini ouch measures. he
never could concur. Perhaps Ministers may defend
their dereliction of prin:iple' on the ground of a
change of circumstances; but however such a change
may induce them to' alter their measures, it never
could justify them. He would recall the solemn man-
•
lin in which their protest had been delivered, he would
serve where it had been repeated tor the Allied Save-
! reigns, in a letter from. Lord Clancarty to Lord Cai•‘
tlereateli. When Bonaparte, after his resumption of,
power,demanded peace, his request was transmitted to
the Allied Sovereigns. and in their name Lord Chanel
cat ty.while declaring theirrefusal of the request, trans.
mitted the assurance of their not interfering in the in.
ternal Government of Emile. This be would read, to
thew at how late a period such a resolution was enter.
tained.—tHere the Right Hon. Member tead as ex.'
tract from the letter alluded to, which 'substantiated
his assertion.)—He proceeded to chew that the same
principles were still practised up to the Costrention
of Sc. Cloud, when Boissy srAnglas and others, de.
puted by.the two Chambers, waited -on Lord Wel.
lingten to conclude the Convention. In a converse•
tion which then took place, some allusion was made
to the probability of raising come .yousiger branch of
the ilourbon family to the theme, and :the Noble
Duke observed, that it was competent for the French
nation so to act, but 'het greater securities would be
required trot* a lounger branch than. from Louis ;
XVIII. The sabsequentekandact 'of the Ministers
was wholly indelonsittlerilia4 he valid aol ;KW tip!

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was the object our num.— _
to be attained ? Was, it probatsle that the
a woeld • be of long continuance t Sad, could
Abe expected; it was not founded in mutual good
,aith ; it was not—(Here Lord Castlereagh seemed
to insinuate across the table, that the Right Hon.
Member was entering into a discussion on foreign pa-,
licit% which he had previously promised to decline.) '
..;..•• the Noble Lord intimates by .a stgn, that I am
.wandering beyond the bounds I had prescribed to
myself; but I will only say, that the peace has left
the sting. of hatted and revenge, from which no be.
ueficent consequences can be expected." i
Lord CASTLEREAGH rose, .;:e said, not with 1
a view to protract the debate, hut,to ''rate a tew ob-
servations upon the language held by some Gentlemen
On the other side. That those ' Gentlemen might
differ from him upon the merits of the late Treaty
when laid before the House, and brought under dis-
cussion, he was prepared to expect, and he would al.'
ways be disposed to treat any difference of opinion
upon that or any other subject with deference and re-
spect, while he would be ready to enter into the'
fullest consideration of any difficulty that affected the
country. Bat hl could not on this occasion silently
overlook the language of despondency which tie
llouse had that night heard, especially from the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) ;
I nor could he forbear to animadvert upon the dispo.
sition which the f-louse witnessed, to tiamf-r attack's
.from the Ministers of Great Britain v:Iso were present
responsible for their actions, and ready to defend
themselves, to foreign it.lependent states, which,
• whatever might be the system of their Governments
(*nth which by the Tray, we had,, no right to later-
tete), were in amity with this coontry. (/leer 4ear.)
This disposition to abuse foreign- Governments pro-
ceedod 'peehaps horn rt want ot materials to jndu!ge
in the havourat system of abusing the Administration
of the Government of this country (hear, /ear, en Me
411kartnial side.) With respect to the Learned G:n.
iletn.th's comment upon die Address, it was a miss-
take to state that that Address did not propose to
pledge chi House to any thing. Tor without enter-
ing sato any consideration of the details of the here
Treaty, which WAS to be reserved tor thealiscussion
of :mother day, he mad not hesitate to say that the
Address proposed to coogratuiate • the Throne upon
the conclusion of a peso,: so gloriou; in all its charac-
ter, so iinport.tht in all its results, and so satisfactory
in the accomplishment of all the great objects of the
war, as this country had never before witti.:ssed. Then,
is to tte despondency upon which the Learned Gen-
tleman dwelt, lie would ask; where was the justifiabla
I ground for such gloomy tones ? That some change
should take place in the situation of any enemy, and
especially in a community whose interests were so
complicated as those of Great Britain, upon a transi-
tion from war to peace. WAS naturally to he expected.
But the change which this country had witnessed from
the late peace, was different, widely direrebt indeed,
from that which most have resulted from any of the
Treaties which Gentlemen on the other side so eagerly
pressed •Gtivernment to conclude at different periods
of the war. He agreed with his Learned Friend (the
Chancellor of the 4xchetpier) up in
,the importance
of considering our internal situation, but he law no.
thing kr that situation to create dismay, much less
that 'despair %high some Gentlemen seemed aitai:tus
to excite. It was impossible to conduct t.se country,
trom a war so peculiar in its nature, and so pro.
longed in its duration, to *a state of peace, without
resperiaacing an astraordinary -change... Ti le Ai e r r tran-
sition to peace from the prosperity of the war, for the
war had been productive ot unexaaspled properity tit
every branch of our trade and commerce, non-. give
-birth to very material alterations. The transport of
industry and capital, from the circumstances of war,
to the new situation into which the country had enter.
ad, must occasion results, such as every thinking
man, aware ut the consequences attendant upon
any •c,%uistry, in passing from war 0 peace, was
prepared .to expect. Bat still the etr:cts of tl:e,
change that aff:cted this country were extremely
exaggerated by the Learned Gentleman— (Hear. )
—!de teas aware that the distresses ot the cousin),
which be was not disposef to dispute. should be fairly
stated to Parii trona, in order that they might be fully
considered, and every practicable remedy applied.—
It was ory against the exaggeration of these dis,
tresses that he protested, and he contended that thee
were not such as to excuse any attempt to damp the
congratulation which sit was proposed to offer to the
throne; upon'the claw of a war distinguished by a
degree of energy, exertion, and glorious achievemeut
on the part of the country, far exceeding that which
belong: sl to any war in which we had ever been en-
gaged.( Hear, 4.ar) Tr 1313 t when Gentlemen would
dispose Liu: House to a gloomy view of the state ot
the country at present, be would ask them to turn
their attention to, and compare its circumstances at
the close of any former war. Let them look, for in-
stance, to our condition at the termination of the Ame-
rican war, Could the speech horn the throne of that.
day,congratulate Parliament upon the prosperityot any
branch of our commerce, manufactures, or revenue ?
What a contrast then did the speech which the House.
had.rhat day heard, afford for the satisfaction of Par-
liament and the country 1 For thAt speech congra-
tulated Parliaraeqt upon the flourishing state of our
commerce, inanufactArex and revenue. Any failure
or decay was indeed enly-to be witnessed in our agri.
culture-.but even that branch, he ;rusted he isboold
be able to prove, that the falling off' was owingiather
to temporary than to permanent pauses. The speech.
certaioly omitted any allusion to the Arts, which
were, oo doubt, drawn on by the Learned Gentle-
man, merely for the purpose of amplification. .But
whatever were the dit4tulties of the Country* be
'fringed. the House would meet them with the same
i temper- and manliness which distinguished its cots;
duct under the pressure of all the calaMities- of war,
and instead of indulging despondency, second the
wisdom and firmness of his Majesty's Government*
ie•providing for the permanent interest of the Em-1
pire. That every distress which disturbed the coun-
try was merely temporm74 and would be soon pie
osedied,„be felt the fullest peasuasion. and that there I
!o
oecflroundthe
f despondency
ven
moo satisfactorilyA
perevenuer
win •
uce of which furnished axmclosive evidence Iff!
Ai means anerinaprariug otiources of the country.
AOC sunder evidence was deducible from the account
.of our awns and:imports. For hence it Appeared,
that whilirthe export of our manufactures hi the year
--1:4"..in Qatobtr, Oa% unattaled -to 071100.000

afield value, which w Torylit k digerent Avis do
real value, the esports_lor the yeereedieg ie.pelohee
1815, exceeded 4,42,1/00,00(i. Thus Our eeporte
within the yeas bad advanced d'3400,000 I did tithe
contrast furnish any grteeed for despondency ir
gloom ? There had been soree falling off in tee sees,
toms. but that ths6ciency was more thab covered by • •
produce of the excise revenue, the et:imperative.
increased amount of which, within the last quarter
ending the sth of January. 1816, afforded Ainple.
testimony in c'.ntradiction to those who alleged the
general distrees of the country. For the produce of
the Excise was a test of undiminished consemption.
The war taxes also were steady in their produce. as
the falling off on the whole for the .last year did not
amount to £200,000. With these, such an extreordi.
nary increase of foreign commerce, and such a proof
of undiminished dorneetie consumption, he woield
ask' again, where was the ground far sle.pouding
gighely because our agricultterAl interests had received
*Sine check, which he trusted would be soon removed?,
With regard to the Property Tar, he assured the
House, that he in concert. with eh his Majesty's Mi.
nisters, would have felt extremely gild it that rex
could have been altogether repealed ; but he hoped
that Parliament and the public would not be dis-
posed to undervalue the reduction which it was pro.
posed to make in that Tax. It would be rereelected
that lot year the whole of this Tex was asked for
with a view to enable Government to wind up the
e xpenses of the war; but in coasequence of the rue.
ral disposition against it, the Chancellor of the Es.
chequer wee under the necessity of taking no less
than it7.001,0u0 from that fund to which the cow,.
try owed the eetablislimept of he greatness, end sustee
nanze of itsluperith ity : the discussion, however, upon
the continuance of any part .of the Preeerty Tax,
would belong to another day. But, in the paean
tithe. 'he thought it roper to state, that hie hisi-
jesty's Government did not feel itself minded frofn
resorting to any other financiet measure, in licit e 1
the Property !lax, should an improved price of tie
Funds, and the general circuntatences ol ti a country,
appear to justity the alternetive.—(Heer, ilea;.)--
But he hoped the House would sanction the eeselu.
tioa which 11;s Majesty's Government had in ate
wislom adopted, not to touch the Sinking Fund
not to ioterfele with that wise system of finance, to
which the country owed such important ohligatious.
Such en intesference, indeed, could neer be deemed
justiEable, unless called for by imperious virtues.
stances. Alter repeating the grounds of congratu.
latioq to which the Speech from the Throle adver.
ted, and repeating his objections to the desponding
language Urged on the other side of the House,
the Noble Lord stated the desire of his Majesty's
Government, that the distress of the comic.y
should be amply investigated, and every practicable
relief alferded. But he hoped and masted, 'het
among the means of relief it never would be pressed
upon Parliament to withdraw tariltion hero any one
breath of the cometenity, to the prejudice of the ge-
neral interest ; and in the Solicitude to mitigate or
remove temperery distress, no measure would be
adothed likely to reduce the resources necessary to
sustain the permanent security and exalted rant of
the &wire, and to enable u; to preserve the peace
of the coetinent, which the glericeis exertion of Brie
tish velem., and the judicious application of British
resources, had so materially coneithited to este:deli.
(lhar, bear.)
Mr. HOItIZER. declared, that but for a single
topic eoatained in the splrech of the Noble Lord who
had just sat down, he should not have ethriideti him-
self on the attention of the rlouse. —in:wheel' as he
understood diet this was not the meihrht at Which
any controverted question was to be gone into. • The.
Noble Lo:d, however. was TV:t ceetented in objecting
el the observation of his lioneerahh: prima, rime the
Address p!cdged the House to no opinioe, but wee;
further, and contended that the Address did
piedge the lious2 to the ()Haim, that the peace
which had just been coecloJed was cats of the
most glorious that lied ever been terminated by
this country. For the purpose of mowing iguainin
teat conclusion, he pretemed to trouble the House,"
:infer as he OCLlctstoOd.the /teddies.: to congretelate
the Paiute Reheat upoa the termination of the
war, and the coneittsion of the peace, as a peace, he
was willing to gn. lie was equally wil!iog to offer
congratulations upon the success of his Majesty's
arms, without retereoce to the causes of the ware
and to admit that the milieu y glory of the country
had arriyed at a pinnacle whirl; it bed never before
reached. further he did not feel himself warrant.
ed in going. la approaching the Throne. he did tact
feel himself bound to concur in the sentiment that
.a peace of which he yet knew but little, was !Wall,
a glorious peace, althbugh he should be glad, on
examinetioie that it should turn ous to be 5414 he
etiuuld be glad to snd, shat this peace was euntistent
with the true principles of English policy, end publ;e
faith. The Weise was called upon to 1 auk with vi-
gilance, and with a jealous eye, upon the teeatie4
which fled brought the war te a conclusion ; bin until
that vigilance had been eeerted, and until be had as
opportunity of judging for himself, .he must be es!
cased it be did not concede tO the Nohle Lord time
this was the most glorious peace which had ever been
concluded by this country—(lyeer.) With respect
to another topic,. too, he must reserve opinion
until he received further tufortnetione he elleied to
the cpcomethiAl wed internal situation of the country.
.T.l hose points, he agreed, ought to be kept distinct
from the qtiestign of peace. lie did trpst, however,
that the holm would nos be called upon in adopt
any new or experimental project; and that no re-
' medy would be ;weeded to which WAS not of 4 per-
-.potent nature, and drsma from the true priiipplia
of the ancient laws of the kingdom. He was induct"
to make this observation in consequence of a sugges.
;ion trade by an Hon. raced of his (hdr.l3rougharo).
One hettretlY alone, in his opinion, was cakuitted
pert the circumsthneea of the country, and to afford
the relief so necessary to its prohperity, and that
was, the reduction of those taxes which Preesed upon
the agrisdattal interests. In this be believed the
real source (d evil -to adst.—(llow,
• But bow was this reduction to take place
fully agreed with the Noble Len!, that it would
,be impolitic to touch the Sinking Fund.
Lie milted, for the sake of the Ismoure she character,
and the crtdit of the country, that the faith of the
Govorament..would, in this instance, be kept on-
broken. -and 1113iinfaired, Whatever ditheattas
atifibt he sale* Upon to moil at a Wan ma, we

'(Hear,
to this item, 'or That item, but by entering into a ge-
neral systematic view of such economical arrange.
menus as were practicable in every public department,
•whether civil, military, or .financi:d. Without this,
it was utterly chimerical to talk of eventually keeping
faith with the public creditor.
Mr. TIERNEY.did not mean to detain the House
by many observation:, but he wished to guard against
anv misinterpretation of the assent which he was pre.
pared to give to the address. He fully coincided
that greater glory had, never been acquired, in The
history of any age or country, than by the British
Artily (hear), and he hoped he might add, though
that now a-days was a topic somewhat overlooked,
by the Bzisish Navy also. (Herr, heir.) But if the
Noble Lord meant, to apply the word 44 glorious" to
the other exertions of our countrymen, such as those
of a pecuniary or a diplomatic kind, there he must
pause before he gave his consent. There was one
part of the Prince Regent's Speech, as delivered by
the Commissioners, which he rejoiced in most hear.
tily—it was that in which he recommended to the
House all possible economy. His Royal Highness
surely would not have given this advice to others,
unless he meant to practise it himself (4 langh.)—
This must belie all those reports that were, in circu-
lati.on, of a new increase of debt on the Civil List;
and he hoped that no new application would be
made this Session for the payment of arrears in that
quarter: (R nod from the Chancellor of the Emile-
per). He was happy to understand, from the nod
or the Right Hon. Gentleman, that nothing of this
kind was to be expected. 'The Noble Lord opposite
had poured out a tirade against his Honourable and
Learned Friend, for what he called indulging in in-
vectives against -Ferdinand VII. The Noble Lord
was mistaken, however, if he thought that any con-
federacy of Princes or Ministers should controul tbe ,
Members of that House 'in the free expression of their
sentiments as to the conduct of Sovereigns...(lfeer,
hear, hear). As long as this confederacy of Princes
existed, which,.from some late occurrences, seemed
to 'have for one of its objects to put down the liberty
of the press and all freedom of sentiment, he for one
should protest against the atrocity of Kings—(hear,
hear.) And he begged that at the next diplomatic
meeting which the Noble Lord might have with
Princes Metternich and Hardenberg, he would ac-
quaint these persanages that there was at least one
assembly in Europe where men were' determined
to speak their minds on such subjects.—(hear, hear.)
But while he thus approved of the Address generally,'
he thought that nothing could be more fair than the
Amendment of his Honourable Friend. He begged
Gentlemen to consider what a mockery it was to lay
Treatit s before the House for its discussion and sanc-
tion, when these very Treaties had been carried into
full operation these two months, and when the House.
could neither counteract nor controvert their opera-
tion. He charged Ministers with wilfully placing
radiomen! in this tiditulons situation ; and that it
Tit ver was their intention that Parliament should meet
till tie 1.. tnt February-. rr this he had no less a.
voucher than the Proclamation of-the Prince Regent
himself ; and such was the zeal of Ministers to stave
otf the meeting of Parliament, that they adjoUrned it
fur 9t) days instead of 80, and thus *were en danger
of potting an end to certain convenient pr:vileges—
(Larigh)—till they were enabled by a new proclamii.
ton to correct their oversight. He should ',awe been
vary, then, if an Amendment had 'tot been
pose,t, directed against the principle of delayin.! ti'e

opening of Par. li;noe• nt under such circumsunces.

involved a constitutional principle,• and Parliament
would net do their duty unless they mentioned it. If
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had, accordirg to
his own confession, passed a most unpleasant summer,
the farmers had certainly done the same ; and there-
fore it was of importance that Parliament should have
met at an early period, as there was always a general
sort of feeling in the country, that while it was
sitting, something might be done to remedy any
evil that might affect the general interest.—
When the price of corn was falling so rapidly as it
did in the course of last summer and autumn, and a
very numerous class of people thrown into the greatest
alarm, surely 'this was a sufficient intimation that
Parliament should be convoked at an early period.—
Accordingly it should have met in November last;
but now we were told that for some reason or other,
best known to Ministers themselves, it was natural
we should not be here till the Ist of February. He
would Venture to explain the reasons the House was
always sure to meet early, if Ministers were in want
of, nrtittey ; but if. not, it was equally sure to be post.
poned as long as possible. • He predicted last Ses-
sion, when the vote of credit of ten millions was pro.
posed, that it would enable them to stave off the
meeting of Parliament till it suited their own conve-;
nience; but he was not listened to. He hid never
known an instance where Parliament met at striate
a period as the Ist of. February, and it was still more
ref:notch:o,le thus to shorten the Session, when
hey. r was one, perhaps, that had so much birsineas
betine it. With respect to the necessity of economy,
gener'lly, he was happy to find that, at last, all
patent the House were agreed; and the Chancellor
of the Excheqner had promised that this economy
shiadd c stend into all the details of the public service.
This he was the more happy to hear, because, when
a vote of ten millions for army extraordinaries *at
last /tar proposed is a lump, he hiMself was scented
at for barely asking to go into the details. He trusted
also, that if committees • were appointed to examine
into the ditUrent hr.:itches el expenditure, they wr,a td
not be ciippled by hiatitquate powers,hut be
,enabled
is, sift matters to the bottom.- The Nolile Lord had
now confessed, very inconsistently with his former lan-
rw,r, that the country had been bloatedsby
eipcodii ure, and t. ld us that at the retnrn of peace
the c.rcelatien shru.•k in its dimensions, as was to be
expected, He (Mt. Tieiney ).did not despond of the
finances i.f tile country, but he' could 'not help taking
a most I;l:antry view of out'.affairs. The Chancellor
a the Exclicqu:.r smiled as usual whenever despon
dency wa. 'motioned, It was to be hoped, however,
that the shock which our financial system could not
flit to receive would be broken by the union of all
in the state to hear the pressure of common

•
difficulties, and in that respect this lenentrr had
advantage over every other.—( Hear, hear.)
not one who wished for the return of high
for he thought it most unnaturalethat, in a-
peace. this country should be so mach insu-
lated from all others, that 'a guinea should not have
gone farther here than a dollar in other countries.
But amidst this shrinking of our circulating medium.,
there was great subject of alarm to the stockholder;
for if you lessen the pecuniary means, the circulating
medium of the country, one half, how were -you to
pay the taxes to the Lull amount necessary to meet
the claims of the public creditor ? The House was
told that there was no defalcation of the public reve-
nue. True it was, the Taxes might yet keep up for
a tittle ; but could the Chancellor of the Exchequer
expect that there would not soon be a marked defal-
cation ? Private families, some from pride, a wish to
support appearances and habit, were slow in curtailing
their luxuries ; but the next quarter or two would
speedily shew a change. But did the Chancellor of
the Exchequer foresee all this at the titre of the dis-
cussions on the Bullion question, since his Noble Friend
declares that the bloated state of our currency might
have been expected to shrink on the return of peace?
—He conjectured that the Right Hon. Gentleman
would now be extremely glad, could he withdraw
from the Journals that famous Resolution of his, that
there was no difference between a guinea and a one
pound note, since every man and woman who read
those Journals, and know any thing of the matter,
was now convinced that there was a real difference.
He was happy to understand that there was no idea
of touching the Sinking Fund. But the Chancellor
of the Exchequer should be the last man to cheer
this, or to take credit for it, as he himself had already
taken seven millions from that deposit. If, however,
the Sinking Fund is to be held. sacred, it may be
fairly asked, what are you to .do to make all ends
meet I This was a.question which called for their
whole attention : at any rate, he trusted the House
would not be forward in voting supplies, until they
knew what was to be the utmott amount or, euresta-
hlishments.—(Hear, hear, from Lord Castlereagh.)—
There should be •no voting of sums piecemeal for
this department and the other department. The
peace which the Noble Lord had concluded might
be a very fine one ; but then, perhaps, after all we
could not afford it. It was the fault of those who
had so long postponed the meeting of Parliament,
that the immediate operation and consequent ex-
penses of the Treaty were now beyond their reach.—
Never had a Parliament met so late as the Ist of Fe-
bruary, with all that multiplicity of business that was
before the present—business which it required *lithe
temper of that House to discuss with moderation and
fairness. He did not see how it would be possible to
make the means of the country meet its expenditure,
without the most diligent investigation and retrench
ment. We were desired to derive comfort from the
large exports of our mai.ufactures ; but whether that
was a lou or gain could not be ascertained until we
had known the returns. In the mean time, u his
Hon. and Learned Friend had remarked, we had
lost the home market, and that was the most profit.
able of all. The Chancellor of the Exchequer,
surely, under these circumstances, could not expect
.that the produce of the taxes in future would rise to
any thing like the old amount. Would his raimate
of the stamps, for instance, which he gave last sum.
mer, still sust.du itself ? Upon the whole, it appeared
to him, that the best thins that could be dun.
wouid be to appoint a Committee, similar to that of
1786, that might investigate, from the best sourceis
what may be the probable produce of the taxes, and
to fix by that estimate tire scale of our expenditure.—
He feared that the returns of the probable amount
I taxes, when given into the Hawse, would be
mc.st appalling. But the course which he now recont.
mended was followed by the Committee of 1786, just
after the American war ; and a similar system ought
to be pursued now.

Sir GILBERT HEATHCQTE rose amidst ge-
neral cries of Question, and several Members left the
House. He fe.t persuaded 'that a moment's reflection
would convince all who heard him, that the joy
which a restoration of tranquillity was naturally cal-
culated to produce, would be considerably diminished
on learning the tcrms of the Treaty. It was a Treaty
not only hostile to the spirit of liberty, and opposite
to the principles of our invaluable constitution, but
calculated to plunge, the country into the most disas-
trous situation ; and he could not but express sur-
prise, that any Officers of the Crown should
have given their sanction to it. Since the battle of
Waterloo, it would seem that every previous declara-
tion of the Allied Sovereigns Mad been violated.—
He would not, however, then enter into the consi.
deration of our foreion policy; but it could not be
denied that our prospects were most gloomy. The
situation of our affmirs at home demanded the moat
prompt and serious investigation. He had no wish
to see the French nation involved in new calamities,
arising from intestine war ; but why Should we at-
tempt to interfere with their opinions.? If 'fresh dis-
turbances arose, it would be better to leave the peo-
pleto themselves. He wished the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman could point out what benefits were likely to
result from this Treaty. A statement had appeared
in one of the public prints, in answer to a declaration
which was said to have been made by Ministers
themselves, and he was anxious to know whether
such decl 'ration was authentic or not ?—(Laugh.)
He did not care whether Gentlemen chose to an-wee his ques.
Lion or not; but that letter contained such extraordinary asser-
tions, that he felt himself bound to notice them. It is there
stated, that Ministers bad paid the utmost attention to the agri-
cultural interest—and that the *tato of distress in which that in-
trust was said to be plunged, was greatly enuerated."—Now,
he believed it was a well known fact, that, en on average. she

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lands of this country bad been let on a calculation, that a quay-.
ter of wheat would produce 45. Let the tioitse, keeping this
fact in their minds, examine the last market recta, and see what
that important article in the subsistence of man, now prodpeedl '
They would find, that it did not fetch more than fortyinght
shillings per quarter. Many of the Lleutlemeu in that *louse
were supported by the letting of their lands.--(acqr, &Ai).—
'l hey must, therefore, have been deprived of half the** in-
comes, when wheat, instead of AS,vai sold at Oils. per quarter.
Every person employed in agricultural pursuits wts thus depnired
of a moiety of that sum on which they had countett,• and where
lands were,rented, if the tenants, ip consequence 9,f the deproS .
con of price, could not pay the stipulated sum, the landlord must
auffer.—The distresses .ot the agncultural interest exaggerated!
Could suin an assertion be suppaned In the face of fact be
had stated ? Surely the distresses of that class who lost one half:
el whir they bad to subsist on could nut be depicted in coloks
to gloomy! Those who were deprived of halt their salaries
might well be said to be deeply dititrmsed I If the Honourahle
Gentlemen opposite were deprived of shalt the salaries slier pow'
received for attending to sk..4llaiss of the country, be wars sure

LONDON.
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 1816.

PINIIIISATION Of Tit VIRGIN isialllre-mliaittilly at the Bank.

Letters from Paris of the date of Monday evening
state, THAT THE FRENCH GOyERNHENT HAS SUSPI/4DED
THE CIRCULATION or ENGLISH JOURNALS IN FRANCE!!

We have given a full account of the proceedings
of both Houses of Parliament last night. In the
House of Lords, Lord Gasamt.a expressed his high
satisfaction at the terms of the Peace which had been
concluded, and no amendment to the Address was
therefore contemplated by his Lordship, or moved
by any of those Noble Lords who are generally sup.'
posed to be of similar political sentiments.
In the House of Commons, the Address was mast
eloquently moved by Sir THOMAS ACKLAND. Mr.
'BRAND moved an amendment, to the effect of pledg-
ing the House to take into its early consideration the
State of the Country, but the amendment was nega-
tived. Oa the diyision the numbers were—

For the Amendment 2S—Against it 90.
Majority 67.

Not the least important part of tke whole discussion
was that in which Lord CASTLZREACM intimated the
intention of Ministers to continue the Income Tax,
but.at the reduced rate alive per Cent.

The Funds declined nearly a half per cent. ester-
day, in expectation of the PRINCE REGENT'S Speech
announcing a large expenditure for the year. This
morning they have rallied again, on the Public being
made acquainted with the favourable complexion of
the debates of last night, and the encouraging ten-
dency of the Speech: 5 per cent. Consols are again 621.

A Flanders Mail arrived last night, from which it.
appears that Brussels is full of refugees from France.
CAMSACERES has hired a house there. The Arch-
duke bum, who is now in England, is mentioned as
the intended Viceroy of Lombardy and Venice. The
French Spy, SCUULIIIWITIR, is still confined at Wesel.

We have this day received German Papers to late
atm. An article from Vienna of the 11th ult. no-
tices some rumours circulated in .the Continenta
papers calculated to induce a belief that England, by
a secret article in the Treaty respecting the lonian
Islands, has engaged never to oppose the enterprises
of Russia against the Potty', and consequently to ex-,
cite alarms throughout the Austrian States. ig It is,
however, certain," says the letter alluded to, •4 that
in the Treaty in question there is no secret article.
whatever. How could it be supposed that England
would sign such an. article ?".'..44 The PORTE was
even invited to adhere to the Treaty."

Preparations are now making at Strasburg for the
trial of 'General GRUYERE by a Special Court. ftlar-
dal for the part he acted in circulating the Procla-
mations of BONAPARTE on his return from Elba.

Sir RODENT WILSON underwent his final interroga-
tory on Thursday last. In all his examinations he
has continued to answer every question not calculated
to criminate himself. He is now allowed to see his ,
Counsel, but he has not yet bees liberated on bail ;
nor is he allowed to see any of his friends, except Mrs,
Wasson. Messrs. Utica and HuTcutNsos ate al.
lowed to see their friends. Sir RODENT has addressed
the following letter to M. Pozzo m Boson° :
44 Of LA FOAM JAN. 23,1816.
Mit mut Sta—l bare been informed that a Paper, inter.
mined on its maim to me, has been considered as the original
manuscript of a Report attributed to yourself ; and further, that
I brie been accused as being the author, or concerned in th.• f.t.
Weed= of that Paper.

!' I disdain the imputation; but from motives of respect to
the imperor, and of regard for yourself, I do declare u; on my
honour, that the Paper so intercepted, was a copy tha- I had
sever even read, although borrowed by me to lend ; and, far.
tber, that I never did bear even of the Report attributed to
me, until it had been read by various Friends of mine, and ex-
tracts bad been given to take to England by those Who will, I
am sure, declare the fact in Parliament, if necessary.

'4 May I beg you to repel the calumny b this statement.
" Very traly your\
" ROBERT WILSON, M. General.

To his Kumleney Cruet Pea= di Bombes Ste. Ste. dtc."
" it is reqnested that this Neter should be published in the
English Papers, if not thought brper, to refute one the
weal takiesite whYl The Cut* ipnt publishing a ping
4:‘ Prison of Ls Fore% Jppuitylet " R. W."

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shoulsrtset4o4 '.-; • m with vigour, 'unless still the att
fen
we trial 4editn rthii, the sole basis of all our He was no
pnblic-fl*iike—t e ' isar.)—lf this, then, were to prices; for
remain untenselied, Whence were we to look for the state of pea
• means of aupplying our wants ? He would answer, laced from
in economy alone !—(Hear, hcar).—not by objecting gone farthe