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tountty to find that •he sugge tions of the Finance
'Committee bad beta sited upim its the different public'
departments; but it
be a serious metier if that
Voismitlee. should, after would
having collected such a large
'body of materials, not .be again re-appointed. and
'enabled to conclude .their labours. He was not aware
of the fact stated by his Hon. Friend near him, that
vAjbo.opoi. or 8,000,0001. a year were imposed in tlo
obape of taxation on the industry of the country. It
such an evil existed, it was greatly to be deplored; but
be knew scaled, of any tax of that description that was
not imposed upon the raw material. It was perfectly
trite that there must al ways be fluctuations in the amount
Of the Revenue, but he differed with his Hon. Friend as
to the manner in which the surplus revenue ought to
de disposed. of. And when his Honourable Friend
Ate Member for Aberdeen talked of reducing our
Military establishment by at least twenty thousand
Men, he thought ha was at least bound to point
but the gunner in which such a reduction emits' be
Ufely and effectively made. He ought to explain to the
tiou.e where the force kept up was dispropottioned to'
'the nece.sity for its continuance. Judging as well as a
+person so ignorant as he. war cool., judge of such mat-
'tent, he thought that the existing force was necessary to
'the security and well-bring of the country. It was true
that a great measure affecting Ireland was contemplated
*by G avernment ; and that measure, when carried into
effect, would, he trusted, lead to a reduction of the
force at present deemed necessary in that country.—
Beyond this be did not go where our military force
'could be reduced. except perhaps by a regiment or two
'of cavalry. But there were other reductions which he
understood might, with safety, be made. It was stated
by the Finance Committee, that the business of the office
Of the Paymaster of the Navy, in which thirty-five or
thittyissiz clerks were kept, might be disposed of by six
or eight clerks. This certainly was a matter worthy of
inquiry by some person or body of persons, whoever
they might be. It was not so much a question as to the
number of clerks or the amount paid to them, as to the
facility and dispatch with which public business could
be diiposed of, by simplifying it and rendering it more
easily, and, therefore, more quickly disposed of. They
bad had more than one instance also of persons em-
ployed in public confidential situatiins going off with,
or embezzling large sums intrusted to them; chi', also,
be deemein subject calling for inquiry. Upon the
whole, be thought the Ministers would be wanting in
the r duty to the_country if they did not propose the
twappointroent of the Finance Cernmittse in the course
of the present Session.
Lord ALTHORP observed, that the Finance Com-

mittee received nearly the whole of its information from
the Offices of Government; and, indeed, if ft were not
(or the ptesence of the membets of Government, the
Committee would hardly know what information to ask
for. He was of opinion that the examination of the Esti-
mates ought not to be left to the Finance Committee, as
they were last year. The Estimates of the year ought
to be introduced by Ministers upon their own responsi-
b This opinion, however, he was ready to admit,
he did not entertain in the early part of last year, but
be had since found it sticessrity to adopt it. He would
not go over,the grounds touched upon by his Honour-
able Friend ' but lookiag to the finances and general
intern is of the country... he thought it desirable that
Ministers should stonce declare whether.it was their
intention to rOppoiot the Finance Committee or not?
Tfs. evestbro tor going into the Committee was then pat and
cured.—The Snow having left the Chair,
Sir H. HARDINGE, in presenting, the present esti-
mates, would tale the opportunity of eiplaining eaib
charge which was made in them, in the best and most
satisfactory manner in which bowel' able. The total
amount was such as related to.the present necessities of
the Empire. If the amount was, as the Honourable
Member for Aberdeen had supposed, to be calculated
in reference to the pacific measures which his Majesty's
-Ministers were about to introduce, the Honourable
blz saber would be justified in supposing that a consider-
able reduction might be made; but, at least for the
telt foot. or fire years, those estimates had been made
in' proportion to the periodical supplies which were af-
forded to the garrisons abroad. If it could be found
that those garrisons could be reduced, he would iben
be prepared to admit that a corresponding reduction
might be made. The amount of the troops employed this
year was reduced by • twelve hundred men on the-staff
and fuse companies of the Royal' African Corps, exclu-
sive of -fifty men reduced 'from bath regiment, which
caused a reduction of one hundred thousand pounds in
the Estimates, eighty thousand • of which bad been
struck off last year, and twenty thousand this. The ati•
vantage of gradtkelly reducing each corps by fifty men
was obvious. The reductions made in this way would
amount to five thousand men. The next item which
occurred was the reduction of the Royal African Corps
by foot hundred men, which would strike off an eo-
chargeof 9,0001. Therei were also eleven hundred men
reduced of the Staff, which would diminish the Esti.
stales 5,8001. The diminution by the reduction of
's,ooo men would amount to 128,0001. There was a re-
duction of 5,800 men in the East Indies, which would
. have an indirect effect in reducing the Estimates bere.The
total diminution this year on the reduction of the troops'
would amount to 73,0001. The regimental allowances
were reduced 8,8881. The next charge was for the
staff department,'and amounted to 176,136/. which was
arreduction of 19,76310.—A considerable proportion of
this reduction was owing to the Commander-in Chief.
The heat charge was for the public offices, and amount-
ed to 105'928L which was also a diminution of up-
wards 01.4,6.01. A few years back there had been
170 cletks in the War-office; they had been reduced to
91 before his Noble Friend (Lord PalMerston) had re,,
sited, and now only amounted to 70. The greatest regu-
larity had,he was bound to say, resulted from this reduc-
tion; indeed hisNobleFt iend had exerted himself so mach
belted leftism little for him (Sir H. Harding.) to do in
the way of reduction Of expense. The net charge was
1.6:160i. for the medical department, which was a re-
duction of 1,2001. There was a reduction of 3,C001. in

the military college. The charge fur this establishment
was last year 12,9001. The great reduction arose from
the decreme of the numbers who held situations in this
college. There had. been one Major, and one Captain
attack off the list ; and the Lieutenant Governor, who
bad fulfilled the duties of that office for 37 years in a
eußoner highly creditable to himself, had now retired.
The othcer wises was to succeed hiin was to retain his
sedimental pay, and received one guinea a day in ad-
dition. There was a charge of 136,0001. for General
. efs; in this matter there was a reduction of ten
.tecl pounds. In the half pay department there
was a cotiii'd.rable•
.reduceion, and this arose tom
the numbers who had been ; ermitrid to part with their
ImilkOlis+inos. • in the years 1b25 and 1826 there were
SOD officers allowed to sell their half pay commissions;
these were purchased by officers on full pay, who again
itischa .ei .back on full pay to the same rank as their
La is? commisse•nsk so that the individuals who are,
now on the hal( pi; list are nearly as old as the Officers
who °regime* held the commissions; hot, if there was'
-ouy.disadamageutteading- this change, it - was woe. I

than counterbalanced by not having to pension their
wives and children. 'There iris dm another advent:led
in this arrangement, which. was, that those who
Vielr commissions sold them at the loWest rate,
whereas those who purchased them did it at the' highest.
This brought a balance of 80.0001. and it was his (Sir
Henry Hardinge's) opinion that this sum should be ap-
plied to pensioning off seventy Lieutenants and sees
Ensigns, which would be a saving to the Treasury
9.0001. per annum. He was particularly anxious foi
this arrangement, because he, as a military man, knesi
that it should get rid of much of the obloquy which et.
isted, and the reluctance which there was to pay thoWl
who were not supposed to have rendered much service
to the country. The next charge was for the pension,
list, and this he considered was a most important sub.'
ject. There had been 4,000 pensions struck out of his list,
and transferred to the militia; this he had done for
the purpose of showing the hole charge of the militia
establiihment, and it caused an apparent reduction of
rxpense in this item. He was anxious to direct the atten-
tion of the Hooke particularly to this point. For the last
fifteen years the p.nsion list had been annual!? in-
creasing. He was ready to admit that no breach of faith
should be made with the soldiers who had entered into
the service under the arrangement of 1806; bat he
con,itiered that thoie arrangements were mutual, and
the reward of the soldier ought to' be proportioned
to his services. The regulations of 1806 were framed,
be thought, under an erroneous feeling, and in 1807
those who had framed them changed their opinion. In
the year 1817 there were 64,000 pensioners, and in
1829 they amounted to 85,000. The increase to the
Estimates in these twelve years amounted to 384,0001.
It was his intention to submit a plan which he thought
would tend much to lessen this heavy expense. It was
this—heretofore the price of procuring a discharge was
301. for a cavalry soldier and 201. for an infantry sol-
dier. He would facilitate the procuring of dis-
charges. He would make the price vary in s gradual
scale from seven to fourteen years service. Uoder the
new system, it was proposed that after a service of 15
years the soldier should be entitled to his free discharge,
but should receive no pension or indemnification ; after
a service of sixteen years and a half the soldier would
receive his discharge, and half a year's pay ; after a
set vice of seventeen years he would be entitled to a dis-
charge and one year's pay ; and after a service 'of
eighteen years to two years pay. The rewards tiros
given to the so'dier for lung service would be in the way
of gratuity, instead of persion; and it was also pro-
posed, where such a system could be rendered avail-
able, to add a grant of I Ind to the gratuity as often as
that was possible, so that the soldiers might become
military settlers. Ile did not think it was too much
to calculate that four thousand men might be taken
away annually from the mass of the army in this'
way, and recrive their discharges after averaging
from twelve to fourteen years; the soldiers thus
charged being from thirty to thirty-five years of
age, and those soldiers would be replaced by forty
thousand recruits,which would effect an immense reduc-
tion of the pension list. By anticipating the discharge
of soldiers according to the system now under consider-
Ation, a sensible relief would be afforded in the expen-
diture occasioned by pensions for long service. It bad
been calculated that at the end of ten years there would
be a permanent diminution of 300,0001. in that branch
'of the public expenditure. As to the manner in which
the discharge should take place, and the particular
rime, it should be regulated by the commanding officer,
and to prevent men from applying for their dis-
charges from capricious feelings, it was intended
that no man should receive his discharge without at
least a week's deliberation. By this plan, then, these
would be a considerable diminution of the pension
list, and the recruiting service would be greatly faci-
litated 'by the facility of discharge. Desertion, too,
he bad no doubt, would be checked, and that there
would be a considerable improvement in the character
of the army generally. He would not enter further into
the details of the plan under consideration. He would
merely observe thatit was intended to substitute a con-
ditional pension, or a gratuity, instead of a pension for
life, in cases of slight injury. Instead of a pension for
life for the loss of an eye or a finger, for instance, it was
intended that the soldier should have the option of a
discharge, with a gratuity or service in a veteran bate
talion. Under the present regulation no discretion wafer
left. The soldier receiving a slight injury was entitled
to a pension for life. The next reduction which be
should notice was that in the Estimate for the Mili-
tary Asylum. The Estimate for the last year was
24,1551. and in the Estimate for the current yele
there would be g reduction of 3,4731. This reduction
would be effected by diminishing the number of children
from twelve hundred to one thousand. On the widows'
pensions there was a small increase of 3281. and in the
superannuation allowances there was an increase of
8631. The House must be aware that it was impossible
to effect such important reductions on other branches
of the estimates without having some small increase OR
those—(Hear). In the compensation allowances these
was i' reduction of 6,4631. the last estimates being
189,1371 and he begged to remark that the compen-
sation allowances to officers had been limited to 40,0001.
according to the 'recommendation of the Finanie Com-
mittee.' The total amount of the army estimates for the
current year was 6,336,2311. being 24e,00e1. below
the last year. This warthe apparent decrease, but there
was a sum of 104,6801. to be deducted, which was
transferred front the pension list to the militia, and de-
ducting that sum from the a pparent.decrease, there was
a real decrease of 143,2291. To that, however, should be
added 50,0001. for the proposed reduction on the militia
estimates. There should. also be added 128,0001. for the'

:reduction of 5,000 men, and; speaking in round-num-
bers, a reduction of 100,0001. on the army extraordina-
ries. The actual deireasa, therefore, might be calculated
at 422,2981.. He would not enter further into the details,
but concluded by.movirig the first resolution, which was
to the effect that it Wai-the opinion of the Committee
that the land forces in the service of his Majesty should
not exceed 89,732 men, exclusive of the regiments in
India, from the 25th of December 1828, to the 24th of
December 1829.
The Chairman having pat the question on the Resolution,
Colonel HASTINGS DAVIES said, that notwitk-
standing•the clear and able statement of the Gallant
Officer opposite, he-vre'wed these estimates with any
thing but satisfaction. Hs had heard with great alarm
the statement, that 'it was impossible to expect any
greater reduction of our military establishmetrs, as the
force now voted was Wanted, not for our home service,
but for our ColooLl garrilOns. He was of opinion that
the whole garrisons of the Colonies should be kept up
by Colonial coml. Such a plan would not be injurious
to tie service, and would lave the country the expense
to which it was nnw put by the system of keeping up
reliefs. He hoped due the Finance Committee would
be re appoimed, and that some individuals would ;his
YeAr be placed upon it, echo Were connected with the
services s 1 the army, navy, and ordnance, into which it
sus ordered to inquire.
H. PARNELL observed, that the troops sent to

the Colonies had only_ to perform a police duty, which
might be perfbrmed ii'anothor manner. and by other
Pomp., so as to plat ao tad to the necessity for having,
our 'egoisr troops sent thither. He wished to know
whether it wes in contemplation to effect any reduction
of the number Of troops required for the Colonies, by
adopting a plan of the kind ha hid alluded to?
Mr. HUME thought. there might be a reduction of
the numerical forge to ilsar which was in existence in
the years 1822, 1828, and 1884 s. Since the latter period
There had been an increase of Sl.OOO men, and there
Was no reason for such an increase in a time of pro-
found peace. In his opinion there might bea reduction
of twenty thouiand men, and the whole business would
be quite as well done. If there were any point of more
importance than another, it was, that Government
should be forced to act differently in respect to the Co-
looks. They were now treated like conquered military
garrisons; but if the country were relieved from the
expense of supporting the Colonial garrisons, several
ohnolloas taxes' Might be repealed. The question.
therefore, involved nothing less than the repeal of the
Assessed Taxes. There were 6,000 wen in the Canada.,
whilst the United States. the only Power we had to
fear in that country, had not a force so large to de-
fend the whole of its immense frontiers. The fact was,
that the Government were at variance a ith the people,
and that was the reason which to ide it necessary to keep
up such a large military force in the Colonies. Our Co-
lonics were treated as conquered countries instead of.
as friendly States. Nearly 75,000 men were necessary
to keep up the colonial garrisons, and the whole num-
ber of our land forces amounting only to 89 000, the
simple rule of three proved what a large reduction
might be effected if we were rewired from the expense
of the Colonies. The question of the Colonies he con-
sidered the m.st important, text to !eclat doehich could
come under the attention of the those. Unless a more
'paternal system of Government was adopted towards
the Colonies, and unless the people were allowed to take
a part in distributing the tazes they paid, there would
never be peace in the r;olonies. He contended that the.

system adopted in Canada was destructive to cu,
finances. If ten or 12.000 men were withdrawn from
the Colonies the Governors would be better off, for they
'would be more likely to listen to reason..lf 75,000 men
were required to keep up the colonial establishment-,
and if some substitute in the naturtof police could not
be substituted, it was better to give up the Colonies—
(Hear). The amount of reduction now proposed was
not worthy of the attention of the House, nor was it
such as the country had a right to expect. He admit.
ted, however, that Government was now in a situation
to be strengthened rather than weakened. As to the
Right Honourable 'Secretary for the Colonies (Sir G.
Murray), the system had been much improved since
he took charge of the Colonies—(Hear, hear). If there
was any thing wrong in the system it was not to be
attributed to the Right Honourable Gentleman, but
tothe person he had succeeded, and he hoped the Right
Honourable Gentleman would be able entirely to break
down that system. He conceived that 15,000 or 16.000
men would be quite sufficient to garrison the Colonies,
and there alsO might be some reduction in the expenses
of recruiting. There was little alteration in the charge
for recruiting, which was somewhat unaccountable, as
there was a reduction in the numerical force. This'point,
he thought, requlred some explivation.
Mr. ROBINSON cootendeJ that the Colonies were
not the burthen to the country the Hon. Member tr
Aberdeen wished to make out—they were rather one of
the souices of the wealth and prosperity of this great
Empire—they gave employment to many tons of %hip-
ping—consumed quantities of our manufactures—and
offered an asylum for our redundant population—
(Hear, hear). With respect to the complaint of the
Honourable Member of six thousand men being kept
up in Canada, he must see, if he would cast aside file
an instant his book of arithmetic and look to the map,
that that n'dmber was not too much for such an extent
of territory as Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, and Canada.
The suggestion of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen to
leave the Colonies without any defence at all needed no
reply, for every one must see that, in the event of a
war, they might be taken before we could send them
assistance.

Sir G. MURRAY thought he should be wanting in
respect to the House, end to the Honourable Members
who had spoken on the subject of the Colonies, if he did
not say a few words in reply to what he had heard.
—He agreed with the Honourable Member who had
just sat down that the Colonial system was necessarily
connected with the extended commerce, stealth, and
prosperity of this country. He thought therefore, that
any plan of economy embracing the relinquishment of
those Colonies would tend to diminish the means of the
State—(Hear). It had been suggested that the military
expense of the West Indies might be reduced ; and one
Hon. Member had, in allusion to a passage in the report
of the Finance Committee, said, that a great part of the
military force there were employed as police, and that se
mneh of the force might be reduced. He (Sir G. Murray)
was not aware Of the evidence before the Committee; but
he should rather think tbat the police duty performed by
the milker rthere was in addition to the regular military
duty necessary for the security of the islands. Be-
sides, the circumstance of a large slave population in
those islands rendered the presence of troops more
necessary than if we merely had the fear of invasion
from a foreign enemy, although that consideration
ought to have weight with them, when they recAlected '
the new and powerful States that were rising in the
neighbourhood of those Colonies. With regard to the
plan of garrisoning the islands with colonial troops, it
was It plan he should always oppose, as he considered
that nothing could be more detrimental to the British
army, or contribute more effectually to the insecurity
of our possessions in that partof the world. With respect
.to the amount of our forced in Canada, he coul.l not
look upon as so enormous as the Honourable Member
fist. Aberdeen. He was willing to suppose that the
United States were well disposed towards us, and he
was aware that they had a very small standing army;
but io calculating upon the force necessary to be kept
up in Canada, they should not look so much to the re-
gular army of the States as to their power generally.
At the same time, however, that he expressed himself
thus, he concurred with the Honourable Member on
the expediency of rendering the Colonies secure by the
attachment of the inhabitants—(Cheers). The Honour-
able Member bad alluded to certain divisions between
the two branches of the Legi.latuie in Canada. He
(Sir Grorge Murray) was ready to admit that there hair
been discussions and differences in Canada, and he was
further ready to admit that these discussions and these
differences were the result of a defective system in that
country—(Hear; hear). It was a system which Cid not
originate blame to any individual, much less to the in-
divtdual who la!e:y had the government of that ccuniry
—(Hear). The evil had been gradually growing to a
head in that country till it forced itself on the attention
of the House. He tru,ted that it would be possible to
introduce measures that would abate the evil;. but, at
the same time, however de.irous be might be to give
effect to the wishes of the inhabitants th melees, 1.41

could not thiak

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number of troop•
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might arise.

to esent 5.000 . :ng•l,
mecessity of having such a foie, ready to be dispatched
on instant service for the purpose of maintaining the
dignity of the miion.
Mr. MABERLY said he mu,t still say that the
ermy was more numernu. now by f urteen thousand
men than it was in 1822. With respect to the reduction
that had bees spoken of as having taken place in the
win), in India, that had on effect upon our estimates. as
those were troops pail by the East India Company. The
observations made by the gall int Officer relative ta the
pensions were most inventor, andle could not refrain
from saying that the mode proposed by hies foe re-
ducing that Leavy charge did him peat credit. It was
far better than the plan proposed with a view to the
same object by hial•eif—(Hear)—lt could not fail of
success—(Hear).
Sir HENRY HARDINGE repeated the list of the
military force, as he had already described it in his
opening speech, and denied that it was so much larger
than the estimate of 1822, which they all knew bad
been taken in its then 4-educed form, as an emir&
meat, one that had since been found to have entirely
failed. and to have brought successive complaints of its
inefficiency from the Colonies, in the wearing oat of the
men, and difects in the perfoimaqo of ,the duty.—
He still insisted that. there was a conlingent saving by
the reductiqn of the 5,500 men m India. With respect
to the number of troops required for the Colonies, what
he had stated was this—Of 103 battalions if the line,
64 were available for the Colonies, and 20 for the East
Indies, leaving about 25 for home service, when it was
considered that there must be aliwaysen average of four
battalithis on their passage. He then proceeded to jos-
tify the amount r.f force to be kept op according to
these estimates, both upon the necessity of the regular
garrisons and contingent reliefs.

Mr. MAW/ILLY said. that if be was wrong is the members be
bad mentioned, he bad been misled by a document width bore the
signature of 0. R. Dawson.
Sir H. HA RDINGE sMd. that the Howarthle Member was
right in his figures, but be bad forgot to deduct tie Sire titonied
I reduced sum, for which there was an allowance in t►e Ukase et
100,0001.

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Mr. HUSIR, In explanation, said, that he bad never banded *
my that the Colonies should be given up altogether. What be
to say was, that t►ey guild be kept up with the smallest military
force possible.
Mr. BARING thought that the cavalry force kept up in the
south coast was quite useless for the prevention of smuggling, for
which it was said to be kept tbme, whilst it was a very expensive
force.

Mr. MONK said, that large standing armies were kept up by
the Continental nations, but still mat of them were oppressed to
arch an extent as we were with a dead weight. The constitetion
of that House was such, that no hope of ridwrdon could be enter.
mined until such a change should take place as would make the
House a more faithful representation of the sentiments of the
people—(Hear, hear).
Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN observed, that if it were admitted
that a cavalry force was necessary at all, it would oat be costeeded
that that force could be reduced below as present standard.
Colonel DAVIES ezprmsed his approbation of the measure of
'the Right lion. Gentirman opposite, as respected the discharge it
soldiers.

Sir HENRY HARM/410E said, that In many eases tbe di►
charge of soldiers was optional. The nieasure in question was
innuvatioo—it was founded on Mr. Wyndhant's Act.
Alters few observations from Colonel Doisneau the resolution
was agreed to.

On the question that 5,136,7521. 15s. be granted for defraying
the charge of his Majesty's land forces lit Great Britain and Ireland
and settkosents abroad (excepting. India). hem the 15th of De-
caliber. ISIS, to the 241 b of December. ISIS, boih inclusive. a
conversation ensued. in which Mr Dusse. Mr. 11411MCG, Sir Hussar
Vivian, Sir £.lEstatcostro a., and Sir Halal' Hammes, particirated,
in the course of which it was stated that the cavalry were frequently
employed to assisting the preventive service.

Mr. HUME objected to the amount paid for the Riding-house,
►eing a sum exceeding 1,406 i.
Sir HUSSRY VIVIAN said uelformity was necessary in the
erode of • instruction in riding given to the cavalry, and, when it
was considered that high, qualification was requited on that• im-
portant point, it would not be denied that competent masters
were indispensable, find a certain amount of expense necessarily
' consequent. •
Mr. BARING wished to know why a force of WO men was
kept up merely that we might be able to send 5,000 men abroad?
The vote was eventually ivied to.
The next Resolution was for granting a sum of 117.1361. for de•
fraying the charge of GenerarOfficers, Staff, and Hospital Olken,
in Great Britain end Ireland, and settlements abroad (excepting
India), for the year 1629.
Mr. HUME complained of the expense of tide department of the
public service, and urged the necessity of immediate diminution.
Sir H. HA [WINGS said, that since the last Estimate a saving
of 19,0001. bad been effected. The uScers were constantly em-
ployed. Five General Officers were necessary in Ireland. In Scot-
land there was only one.
Mr. HUME said, that there were four Adjutant• General and
(oar Quartermasters at head quarters. This he conceived to be a
much greater number titan was necessary.
The vote was, however, agreed to.
The next was for a sum of 105.921/ 10s. 2d. to defray the charge
of °Seen in the several Public Depanments hr the entreat year.
Aker a abort conversation between Mr. Hones, Mr. CALCIATT,
Sir H. PARNELL, end Mr. If the vote was agreed to.
The next Resolution, that the sum of 164101 141. id. be annted
for defraying the charge of the Surgical and Medical -%laterials and
Contingencies of the Army. for 1829, was moved and agreed to.
Oa the Resolution being put that the sum of 80,1158 L 9s. id. be
granted for defraying the cb.:rge of the Volunteer Corps of t►e
United Kingdom in the year 11199,
Mr. HUME objected tonne of the items, which included tipper
of ten Brigade Majors. The Honourable Member did oat see the
utility of having so many of their Officers.

W. PEEL was rather surprised at the •hjectioo of the
Hawearable Member for Aberdeen, after the extensive reductions
wM but been made in she Yeomanry force last year. A■ order
Ist Imposden had been issued far this year, and ::overnment would
mate whatever reductions might be found to be proper.
Mr. MA BERLY recommended reduction.
Mr. THANT expressed his regret at the disbanding of any part
et the Constitutional force of thelountry. He would anxiously
Sketch whatever measures of the same character might bt in coma
eseeplatioo, as, from late occurrences, be did not think this a fitting
dine for such a proceeding.
Mr. HUM R said, that no force could be termed Constitutional
mikes it served without pay. This had formerly ,been • the cast
with the volunteer corps, and on these terms their services should
be accepted still. As to what the Hon. Member wbo spoke last
bad said concerning late occurrences (referring to the measure:re-
garding Ireland), be trusted that by nest year their wisdom would
be compktely proved in their results.
The vote was then agreed to.

The ma( remlution, that the sum of 100,591.175. Id. be granted
for defraying the charge of the Royal Military College at saod.
Must was moved.

7. • :

Mr. F. PA LMER regretted the reduction in the number of dm
Medical Olken in the establishment, who had bees eacealingly
useful to the poor Is the neighbourhood of Sandhurst.

Sir 11. H A RDINGE showed tint propriety of the redocdoss, es
the ground that the number of Cadets had been Imposed. The
utility of the Medical Olken to the pour around Sandhurst would
not be a good argument against that reductios.
Mr. fIUME said that he had visited Sandhurst, and felt wal►
position to injure the College, but to improve it. He thought the
country wield be lightened of the burthen of supporting it, and the
character of the army improved. by opening it, or some abets, to
the general education of youths destined for a military life, at •
certain yearly sum. In his opioloo no Miter should be admitted
into the service without a previous examination. and to prepare lot
it ; an establishment Amid exist of the description be eras both
far the King's service and the East India Company.
Sir GEORGE MURRAY thought that the coatpdsciry opus;
of 'decades width would be molted tgt the eampaisedes Waged

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demandedfiy those,isi . • , '." Ale-
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LMERSTON stat Al— : i , ,
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Colonies could n ' • ~-.. ,- • i
troops th .n we no - .t' "..._„ r , *
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on. and had relatici s. • ."''s• • so
with other nations. wilt - . es to
II dispo•We force tor iitlyl - 'T.
I that
. That wl,ich occurred too years ago, when
00 men to Portust.d. was an instance of the