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then he would have been better able to answer. But
he would inquire into the 'natter; and give the Ho.
pourable Baronet an answer either in sp out of the
House, as he chose.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT would prefer receiving the
answer in the House, as this was a public concern,
arising upon an Act of Parliament.—(HNr, bear.)

profligate Government than that of Palermo. What. Mr. VAIITBREAD begged leave to vindicate
ever might be his opinion of the vices of that Govern- himself from what had fallen from the Right Ho-
ment, or of the uselessness of our endeavours to de- nourable Gentleman, in animadverting upon what
fend it without some salutary correction of its defects, he had said respecting the character of the Sicilian
he should not on this occasion take the sense of the Government. The Right Honourable Gentleman
Committee upon the vote ; sensible as he was that he had expressed regret that he had applied the terms
would not be able to induce a majority to think with he had used to that Government. What! was Par-
him. He should, however, take that opportunity to liament' then, to shut its eyes to the real state of the
advert to a motion, brought forward on Friday last, case ? Was it to pretend to believe, that the Sicilian
by a Right-HonoUrable Gentleman opposite (the Government was not most profligate, and that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer), when he was himself Sicilian pecple were not most oppressed ? Was that
unavoidably absent attending indispensible public bu- the conduct becoming that House to adopt, when
siness—be meant the Vote of Thanks to Lord Wel- making such efforts Tor the protection of Sicily ?
lington and his army. It was au invariable rule with Were they not to tell the Government of Sicily of
him to suffer no concerns of a private nature to in- its vices, with a view to their correction, and to the
terfere with his attention to his duties in Parliament, consequent more effectual exertion in the common
whenever any important question called for the at- cause ? He thought it was the duty of any Mem-
tendance of members : and he should not have been bee of that House, when voting so large a sum of
out of his place on the occasion to which he alluded, money for the support of the Sicilian Government,
if he had not been under a necessity of attending to I to enquire how far the application of it might be
equally important public duties elsewhere. He regret- I
likely to promote the end, and to do all in his power
tee(' haying been absent on that occasion, because he I to procure a reform of those abuses in the subsidized
would have most cheerfully and cordially concurred in : Government which threatened to defeat the object of
the vote then proposed ; and because he would have
of '
ng's ministers the to
time, could have paid them—tor having selected a Ge-
neral, in whom they could repose entire confidence, for
the able execution of the very arduous and important •
te the subsidy. As to the observation made by the
been ready to bestow on the Kin's
- 1 Right Hon. Gentleman, upon the tribute he felt
bute of his praise—a tribute which he, at no other ;himself bound to pay to Lord Wellington, he would
repeat, that his praise of that gallant officer was
, most unqualified—but the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman had misrepresented him in saying, that he
had stated this moment of our success to be pecu-
liarly favourable for the attainment of peace. He had King-street, St. James's, for the purpose of further..
operations he was entrusted with. This tribute A Meeting was yesterday held at Willis': Rooms,
ing the Subscriptions commenced in the City for the
praise was justly due to those Gentlemen, and every
Relief of the Inhabitants of Portugal.
testimony of applause and admiration to the gallant
real state of the case, at different times stated his
said no such thing. But surely it was not a common-
place to say to the present Government, or to all the
Governments which had existed with scarcely an
exception for the last twenty Years in this country,
that the only legitimate end of all war was peace ?
There were occasions, when, in the moment of success The Duke of Yoak took the Chair shortly before
General whom they have selected. He had, he must
three o'clock ; when the Marquis of Lansdowne call.
confess, from the ignorance in which he was as to the
ed the attention of his Royal Highness. The Noble
Marquis observed, that in taking the liberty of ad.
doubts on the subject of some of Lord. Wellington's ;
dressing his Royal Highness, he felt no hesitation in
operations ; and with the degree of information he
believing that whatever he might say upon that oc-
had at the time, unquestionably many of them appear- --
ed to him to have been extremely questionable. Now,
\
however, that he was enabled to view the aggregate
of operations as a whole, be must say, that the cam- against the enemy, extremely unfavourable to peace. .
.on the part of this country, not only the Government casion would be fully anticipated by the Meeting.
became indisposed to accommodation, but even the
I people were inflamed to a high degree of asperity He felt perfectly convinced that the same opinions
Y and feelings which at all times were to be found in
paign appeared to him to have been conductedthe line of conduct adopted by the British nation to.
by wards the distresses of its allies would be found in
ttPcltr; It too often happened, that the people were taught
a most masterly plan ; highly honourable to the die- ; their rulers to entertain such feelings. Success unfor- their conduct towards the unfortunate Portuguese.—
tinguished General who formed and executed it, and (Hear, hear!)—Sure was he that there did not cola
tunately led to anticipations of extravagant results ;
worthy of' the success with which it had been crown- .to the expectation of fresh coalitions, and the certain an opinion, public or private, at variance with the
ed. He was happy, therefore, to acknowledge the .
downfal of the Emperor of France. It was not a motives upon which their Meeting was grounded.—
sense he entertained of the great and conspicuous , common-place, theretore, to state to such rulers, and The object of their assembling was not to adopt any
talents of Lord Wellington ; aftd to add the tribute I under such circumstances, that the end of all war was new measure, but to forward the Subscription which
of his humble admiration and applause, to that well. !peace. possibly had been so munificently and honourably commence,'
earned fame which his eminent services had so deser- .He should not say. for no man could
; undertake to say, that peace was attainable ; but he in the City of London. It had been the opinion of
vedly acquired fur him. He could not better express many, that to call a Meeting at the west-end of the
himself as to the sense he entertained of Lord Wel- would contend that we ought to try.. There were
many instances to be found in history of persons ac. town would further that Subscription • and upon that
ceding in a moment of pressure to terms which under
, lington's merits, than by quoting the words of an elo. principle, be thought it perfectly right that the Meet.
quent young Member, who promised to become an , other circumstances would not have been listened to. ing had been convened. In his opinion, there was
ornament of that House, though he must beg leave no kind of sympathy which was not due from the in.
Let the trial, then, be made. Of this he was quite
to deny that Member's premises, that any invidious sure, habitants of this soil toward the inhabitants of Pm.
feeling existed in any quarter with respect to Lord that many opportunities of obtaining peace had
been lost, and that the trial had not yet been made. tugal. (Hear, hear!) Whether we looked to the
Wellington ; the words he meant were, " invicfiam He thought he could discern in the present moment misery to which they had been reduced, the devasta-
zloria seperavit." Upon this question he felt himself , something
favourable to that purpose. The pressure tions which had taken place in their country, die
called upon to say, that in the moment of elation for
upon the French Government, and our great success, causes of the unprincipled invasion of their territory,
success, we should not forget that moderation which their patient endurance of those calamities, or the
rendered the present a rod occasion for making the
should belong to us under all circumstances—we brave and patriotic conduct which had been evinced
should not lose sight of that, which, in his mind, trial : and thinking so, he should not have done his
duty, it he had abstained from stating this opinion. by the whole nation, constituting not less a case of
ought never to have been broken, an opinion enter- I Mr. W. SMITH remarked, that considering how misfortune than a glorious example of triumph-otheir
rained by him from the first, and which, in his judge-
notorious the state of the Government and people of claims for commiseration and assistance were alike
went, might OR many occasions during the war have i
Sicily was, he thought it wisdom and sound policy forcible; more particularly when their unfortunate si.
been accomplished—he meant. peace. We should 'to urge such reformation' as might be effected with- tuation was the necessary result of a system of opera•
never forget, that the only legitimate object of all war ' out tumult, and convince the Sicilians how much the tions which it was found expedient to resort to, al
is peace. This consideration was in any war descry. ;
British were interested in their favour. British troops the best mode of defence ; and which, from being at-
, ing of serious consideration, but more particularly " I would then be considered as friends, and the inhabi. tended with the desired effect, increased the aggro's.
in the present oppressed internal state of this country,
tants would always be ready to assist them on an don of the enemy, and gave rise to a succession of
and in the distressed state of the whole world. It
emergency. He should have been glad to have heard cruelties and atrocities, as dis lto humanity,
; was his opinion, that we ought to endeavour to use
whether any effectual representation had been made as they wine inconsistent with t e usages of warfare.
our late success for the attainment of the desirable '
,
iin favour of the people of Sicily—for if their condition (Hear, heo !) We onyht to regard the sufferings
object of peace. How that was to be done, it was
• but it was his sincere con- I were considerably ameliorated, the island, and even and successes of that unfortunate people as our own,
not for him to determine
viction, that it ought always' to be in our view; and i the Government, would be more safe, and our defence and to use every exertion to heal the wounds of the
'of both would be much more easy. With this per.
.affiicted. The only dielculty that seemed to arise
that if we were sincere in our wishes for peace, it !
suasion on the part of the people, the troops there was with regard to the promotion of the object in
might, as at various other times, be now attainable. I would be equal in effect to double their number, and view. Many thought, that a Subscription, however
He had felt it his duty to say thus much, both upon we should be subject to much less expence both in , extended, would be ineffectual. It these apprehen..
the motion before the Committee, and with respect to i
1 the vote of Friday, which he considered as in some ; men and money.- Some small inconvenience there 1 :ions stood in the way, all exertions would cease, and
degree connected with it ; but should not divide the I might, perhaps be, in adverting to the state of the it would be impossible to repair any of the calamities
had been experienced. If it were possible,
House on this occasion. i Government and People of the island so openly—but which
lAlleviate the wretchedness
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER lin a large view of the matter the advantages were in- even in a slight degree, to ,
did not think that any Honourable Member could comparably greater. It was upon these principles that ! of the sufferers, that alleviation should not be with-
did Hon. Friend and himself felt themselves called held, but should be afforded to the utmost possible
gave any opposition to the vote he had proposed, administered, the feel-
founded as it was upon the express stipulations of a .
upon thus publicly to state what benefits might be de- extent. From an alleviation so .
solemn treaty, which had received the sanction of that need, not only-to Sicily, but to this country, from an , ings of mutual affection and regard, which hadthal-.
I ready been cemented between the Portuguese and is.
House. Under these circumstances, he was not sue- amelioration of the Sicilian Government. 1
Prised that the Honourable Member had not taken Sir THOMAS TURTON bad expected to have " country, by the common blood spilt in the same cause,
the extraordinary course of calling upon the House to heard that some representation had been made. If ; would be doubly strengthened, and an additional cor-
would bind that
withhold a grant, guaranteed by a treaty, during the If' we had been connected
continuance of the war. He could not help, however, 6' • to t '
as allies, there might be considerable e jections out stn people, from gratitude and admirationon everlasung
expressing his regret, that the Honourable Gentleman But when we defended them as 'inn- ; ity to Great Britain.. The Noble Marquis then
interference.
had felt it necessary to express himself in the stronglegitimate object to recom. ; apologized for having trespassed on the attention of
cipals, it was a perfectly
terms which he had used, with respect to the Sicilian mend to them such amendments as would s would materially '. the Meeting ; bet feeling that the most effectual
Government and people. If any thing could make contribute to that defence. He would have suggestedd • 'le to adopt, would be to state the events that had
the defence of that country more difficult to British taken place, he had endeavoured so to do ;sad hay-
such alterations as were essential to the effectual e.. 1
troops, it must be the employment of such language, fence of the island. There was hardly an officer in in made that statement, he begged leave to read the
which, by holding up. the Government as the most Sicily, he had heard,
Resolutions, which are is the Front cf this Palter.
the British army serving in as . ,
ernment of thsland • The Resolutions were then read by his Royal High.
profligate, and the people as most oppressed, was cal• who did not consider the Gov .
Naples. n the Duke of Yoek, iraousl
and agreed to unan r t
culated to disunite the Government and the plot, as more to be feared than all the Murat in.
Committee
and thereby to weaken those efforts, which by '' The general opinion among them likewise was, as he
intoand a was accordingly appointed to turf
cordial co-operation for common defence might beef: I understood, that Sicily ought either
Withto be evacuated • effect the said Resolutions.
ficient. The effect of the British support of the Ski- hands. regard to the Mr. ROWCROFT begged that Gentlemen would lty
or taken into our our own
hithertohad been the preservation'sgun '
few lion Government
address ai' of Sicily independent of France. With respect to the , more favourable tkan another, it was when we were bating publicly to the proposed fund ; and called upon
the subject of , statement of the Honourable Gentleman as to the vote I
that he could I successful. The occasion, he thought, called for an them to give in their names with the amount of tlMt
of Friday, he could not forbear to express his sense of , effort to ascertain whether France would yield the in- intended Subscriptions fort wt
the grant pro- ! the very proper manner in which that Hon. Gentleman ' After a short pause, the illustrious Chairman ev
dependence of Spain. He would not crouch at the
enter into any I
I had given his unqualified applause and approbation to 'horted the Meeting to lose no time ing ttin
feet of France, and crave a peace—but this was a
frequently used . the conduct of Lord Wellington—an approbation and i time when they might propose to France to acknow-much more I
, applause equally creditable to,the object of it, as to 1 their names, upon which, Mr. Pullet., well wit
.
ledge the independence of the Peninsula with some in a certain Assembly, said, se Well, come, I'll *en!
irable Members : the Hon. Member himself-4nd certainly more un- I chance, however small, of success. He was not afraid
expressing his qualified, than there was reason to have expected I put down John Fuller, of Rose Hill, for tBlOO, and
to encounter whatever unpopularity might at the let every man put down what he can afford ; if it
Lte of elation to ' even from the liberality and candour of the Honour. I time attach to that opinion. As to the grant under but Ss. if he can afford no more, it will be As cto
by our recent able Gentleman. In the name of Lord Wellington, `,
consideration, he did not see how it could now be re- Bitable to him as if he had been upon an
equality
bent upon that therefore, he begged leave to thank the Hon. Gen- ' fused. He would say nothing farther, therefore, on With myselfr"— the
chterr.)—The example of e
a feeling was Leman for the very handsome manner in which he ' that point, the country not being yet prepared for a worthy Member was followed by other persons in
s
influence of a . bestowed the tribute of his approbation upon his con-1 resolution, either to evacuate the island, or take it the room, and before fouro'clock te377 I. Ss.
of moderation . duct. Upon the subject of the general topics alluded 1 into our own hands, unless some alterations favourable subscribed.
a moment of leave
to by the Hon. Gentleman, every Hon. hlember, he ,to the people could be made in its Government. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then begged
under considera- was persuaded, would agree with him as to the pro- I Resolution agreed to, and Report ordered for to- to propose one more Resolution, which he was con.
voting so large a • olre
priety of observing moderation under all circumstan- 1 MM.", vinced would be agreed to with as much plea
A to know to ces : but neither he could think, nor he believed any IRISH PRESENTMENTS. as any of the former. His Lordship then moved,
,e when we were be gives
other Hon, Member, or any man in the country, with Sir JOHN NEWPORT adverted to an Act of that the Thanks of the Meeting should ,
his
• it was butfor his
the Hon. Gentleman, that this was precisely the mo. Parliament, requiring that the Presentments of Grand to his goyal Highness the DUKE OP YORE,
- should be used went favourable to the attainment of the object pro- I Juries in Ireland should be transmitted to the Irish 'gracious condescension in taking the Chair that day.g
.. the Government fessed by the Hon. Member. No Gentleman would Secretary, for the purpose of being laid betere Par- This Resolution was agreed to with the watme
pressions under which think of denying, that the only legitimate object of Lament. He wished to know why this had not approbation, and the Meeting adjourned. t _
Aired were to be all war was a safe and honourable peace ; but if the. been done ?—(NO answer). The question really de- Amongst other distinguished persons preten we 7
overnment corrected, oCommittee, as he was persuaded it was, should be of served an answer, as the provision Of an Act 'of ?ar.: the Pqk of e Grafton, the Duke of Montrose. Mc
the Government opinion that the Lament moment was not favourable lament had not been complied with. Earl of Buckinghamshire, the Marqtais of Stafford.
ersally, that there that NJ
to object, he could not considee the discussien of Mr. wELLtsuy POLE wished the Honour, . Lora Viseount Sidmouth, Lord Kinnoul, •
distance, a mere that topic useful on ibis occasion, .-• • ,- able Baronet bad given him some Mice of ;lust wt. tom Lord Castlereagh, Sir Wm, Scott, Itc. Ac,

of Re-
.dered to

Bridges
which

.a, Mr.
tzht up
td after-

From cer-
minty of
ive their
r against
severity
offence.

_ eorttrolty of
description In this

, that a
.ssex !ter,

case, and
rirpose of spe-

bar, was
thatfact.
' against

the purpose
Wit which
the House

'nes, was
totes had
1, that Sir
Lordships'
resorted to

side.
morrow to the
- were in his

of the re-
Lordship?

te and passed.
order of the
Gold Bullion

the Irish Loan
) be read a Shi

time, and or-

lots from the
A. George.—

itd to-morrow
Inland Navigation

second tine, and

the R epresenta-
, Office in Ireland,
Probates ef Wills,
account of the

week he should
w inquire into
the Theatres-

accrued to the

it/ANTON, that
amount of Bank,
each month, in
it Bills.
Bank was with-
on the ground
ad another ac-
under.
3e House an Ae-,
circulation in the
distinguishing Notes
-ant of Notes in
:b. 1910. Also,
Gold and Sil-
year 1931 to the
Bank.

a Committee
Sicilian Ma-
-oth of June,

:terra.
CHEQUER

to propose
iformly recnived
since the con•
)mittee. lie
.ommittee with

, subject, but
the Committee
I enable him to
said Treaty,

IRISH STAGE-COACR RILL.

The Report of the Irish Stago.coarh Bin was brought op.
Mr. HERBERT opposed the second reading of tba Amend-
ments.
A division took Owe; when, RI Members only being present,
the House adjourned.

The Committee of Privileges, to whom the Petition
of the Freeholders of Wexford was referred,reported—
.6 That the fact of Mr. Am:emu's lunacy being established by
a Commission of Lunacy, under the (heat Seal of Ireland, and
the Committee having examined Dr. R. I). Watts, and other
Medical Attendants upon Mr. ALCOCK, are of opinion that Mr.
Atcoce's malady, though severe and aggravated by Its long eon.
tinuatice, cannot at present be thought as incurable. That In
the course of this investigation, the Commiue have endeavoured
to ascertain what has been the law and practice of Parilanient,
In eases similar to the present, and find that the House of Corn
mons appears uniformly to have inquired into the aatore of the
alledged malady, sad to have granted or refused a new writ, ac-
cording as there seemed to be a permanent, or temporary imps-
city in the Member previously returned."

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D4RLIAMENTART PROCEEDINGS.
HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 1.
The Earl of CARDIGAN took the oaths and his seat.
Mr. M'CASN presented at the bar the Annual Account e
teipts and Expences from the Chest at. Greenwich.—Order
lie on the table
Mr. RICKMAN, from the Commissioners for Building B
In the Highlands of Scotland, presented certain Papers, ,
Were ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. VANSITTAAT, Mr. SWAN, Lord LevesoN GOWER
Gout, and others, from the House of Commons, broug
several Private Bills, whisk were laid upon the table, and
Wards read the first time.
BLEACHING.
The Marquis of HERTFORD presented a Petition fro
f taro individuals possessing Bleaching Grenada in the Cot
Antrim, its Ireland, praying that their Lordships would gill
sanction to'the Bill for mitigating the severity of the law
ateolint, from Bleaching Grounds; it also stated, that the s
was so great at present as to prevent prosecutions for that 4
Lord HOLLAND said he should take an early opportt
presenting l'etitions from persons of the same deseriptioa
I country.
1,
I]'lle Petition was ordered to lie on the table:
ROXBURGH PEERAGE.
The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, .1
Petition had been presented from Lady Esse
against several Appeals in the Roxburgh call
he should now move,
" 'lln the Agent be called to the bar, .for the purpOs,
drying the Appeals to which the Petition alluded."
The Agent, Mr. DOBIE, appearing at the b.
i interrogated by the LORD CH ANC rum alto tit
He answered, that the Petition was intended
' all the Appeals respecting the Estate.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then move
" That the Petition be returned to the Agent, for th,
Of having specified therein the particular Appeals again
it was presented; and that the sante be returned to th
to-morrow."—Ordered.
I Mr. SPOTriswooDE, Agent tc Sir James Inc
also called to thii bar, and asked if Sir Jan
• been served heir to the estate ? He answered,
•
James had been served, according to their Lc
order • since which proceedings had been re:
by General Ker and others on the opposite s
• It was ordered, that he present to-morro
House such proceedings in the service as wt
possession in London.
It was also ordered, that all the Agents c
speetive parties in this case attend at their L
, bar tamorrow.—Adjourned till to-morrow.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Slave Trade Felony Bill was read a third time
A Person from the Mint presented, pursuant to c
House, several Accounts relative to the amount of C
• imported. Ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of tht
,
Bill, which was agreed to, and the Bill ordered to It
time to-morrow.
I The Royal Naval Asylum Bill was read a second a
dered to he committed to a Select Committee.
I.`, 1 • Sir PETER MURRAY presented certain Aecour
East-India House, respecting transactions at Fort St
Ordered to lie on the Table.
• 1 Mr. WHARTON moved, that the House should
resolve itself into a Committee on the London Intone
Acts.—Ordered.
$ ,
The Irish Lunatic Marriages Bill was read a seem
ordered to be committed to-morrow.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for copies of the
tions made to the Commissioners of the Stamp OM(
ti as to the evasion of the duties on Legacies and Prob
in the years 1809. 10, and 11, together with an ace
' s measures that had been taken in consequence.
1 THEATRES.
Mr. TAYLOR gave notice, that to-morrow wet
I bring forward a motion for a Select Committee to
the state of the Rights and Privileges claimed by t
Royal, and also what Benefits or Disadvantages at
public in consequence of these rights.
BANK OF ENGLAND NOTES.
f Ordered, on the motion of Mr. HENRY THOR:
there be laid tame the House an Account of the ant
I of England Notes in circulation on the first. day of ea
the years 1781 and 1782, distinguishing Bank Post :
'like Account presented last Monday from the Ea;
drawn, on the motion of Mr. VANSITEA.RT, o,
that it was not so perfect as It might be made ; and
i mount ordered, distinguishing Notes of £5, and un,
llt was also ordered, that there he laid before the I
; i count of the average Amount of Bank Notes in dm
1 ; years 1798, 1799, 1809, 1801, and 1802, disting;
f r under XS. Also an Account of the average Amoun
circulation in the three years ending the Ist of Feb.
I I,' a Copy of any Information 'respecting the Price of
1! ver Bunion, and the Rates of Exchange from the ye;
Isar 1746, which may be in the possession of the R
't i SICILIAN SUBSIDY,
'The House having resolved itself into a
of Supply, to which the Treaty with his S
1 !
jesty presented to the House, on the 10t1
1808, by Mr. Secretary Canning, was rest
-.1 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXC
rose, and observed, that the vote he was
•ik was the same with that which had uniforn
the sanction of Parliament every year sit
; , elusion of the treaty referred to the Comr
:.
I should, therefore, not trouble the Com
.
i any unnecessary observations upon the I
simply mov?, that it is the opinion of the
. • that there be granted to his Majesty, to ei
• .
; fulfil the engagements contained in the :
, a sum not exceeding £400,000.
On the question being put,
Mr. WHITBREAD, in rising to ad
observations to the Committee upon th.
this vote, did not entertain any hope tl
I induce the Committee to dissent from di
•
; • posed : neither was it his intention to Cl
!; of those arguments which he had fret
upon this subject, and which had been
forcibly urged by many other Honourab
but at the same time he could not help e
. . opinion, that, notwithstanding the state
• • which the public mind had been raised I
successes, it was peculiarly incumben
,
, • -"Mouse to guard against the effect such
likely to produce, and to prevent the it
just exultation from abating that spirit c
which best became a great nation in
. .
success. With respect to the vote um
tion, he was of opinion, that when voti
sum as a subsidy to Sicily, they ought
what objects it was applied. At a time ,
It affording such aid and protection to Sic
• right that every practicable endeavour s
.• to procure a redress of the abuses of the
. i •of that country. Unless the oppression
~.
the inhabitants of that country labourec
removed, and the vices of the Governor
it was absolutely impOssible that 04
could stand. It was known universal
•'; , i wos not ;Wiwi-not ever had been in oil
i __ . •
_..., ._sosesiwommamosa