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London, England, 1826-03-21 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMON&

A Person from the Treasury presented several Papers and
Accounts relating to the Income and Ependiture of that Esta.
blishniesit.—Laid on she table.
Mr. ASTELL moved- the second reading of the Bill for en-
larging the power of the Commissioners appointed to settle the
debts of the Nabob of Arcot.

On the motion of Mr. FITZGERALD, the Colonial Steam
Navigation Company's Will was read a second time and committed.
Mr. Alderman lIETGATE moved for a return of all ships,
whether Foreign or English, that had entered the Port of London, •
distinguishing the Foreign from the English, from the year 1823
to 1825.-Ordered. '
Tile Hon. Manses also moved for a similar return from the
Port of Liverpool.—Ordered.
Mr. G RAT I'AN presented* Petition front the Tobacco Manu-
facturers of the City of Dublin, praying for a further reduction in
the duty on Tobacco.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD presented a Petition from a Gentle-
man of the name of Xmas 'decimal& Agent to the Catholic.
Association in Dublin, against Ale distribution of the money in-
tended for the Education of then'oor in Isclaoda-aQulered to be_
rriuteci.
Mr. HUME presented a Pes/tion frost the Ship Owners and
ethers of. Arbroath, complaining 8f the musagement generally of
the Northern I..iglits on the Bell Ruck.
The LORD ADVOCATE assured the Hon.. member for
Abe:lcm, that it he wanted any idoentation oft*, subject, he

Mr. S. RICE opposed the question for the Speaker
leaving the Chair, bkause it was understood that the
Education Votes were to be submitted in the Commit-
tee. These large sums had been annually voted in the
teeth of the recommendations of the Commission ap-
pointed to inquire into the subj:ct. He particularly
objected to the vote of 9,0001. to the Society for Dis-
countenancing Vice. This was expending the money
of the State upon duties which properly belonged to
the Church; and this money they were called upon to
grant w!len support to general education was refused.
He also objected to any augmentation of the grant to
the Kildare-street Society. That Society claimed the
merit of educating 100,000 persons ; whereas the offi-
cial documents proved that there had been only 54,000
individuals educated. He contended that these schools
were made palatable to the Protestants. and repulsive
to the Catholics, because, upon the testimony of the
Archbishop of Dublin, they had seen that the reading
of the Bible had that effect. The consequence of pur-
suing such a system would be, that the education of
Protestants would henceforward be more exclusively
Protestant than it had ever been before, _as would that
of the Catholics become every day more exclusively
Catholic.. Of 491,000 persons educated oat their own
expense in Leland, 377,000 were Catholics. If it were
inquired what end was served by the association of
persons in early life, when the law would subsequently
work a separation between them, he would ask, were
they to legislate with a view to the perpetuation of
these laws? Should they not rather evince by their
measures, that however much the laws tended to divide
the people, they at least were not accessaties to their
enactment. He would have whatever sums were grained
for the purposes of education placed, in the hands of
responsible persons, and not left to the discretion of any
private snciety. The Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland
hohoped would hot decline to accept what must be
considered a most agreeable trust. The amendment'
which he would move embraced the sentiments expressed by the
Commissioners of Education in their fourteenth Report, in the
year 1806; and also those 'expressed by Doctor Stuart, the late
Primate of all Ireland, by the late Archbishop of Cashel, and by
the Right Reverend Doctor Elrington, now Bishop of Killaloe,
and lately Provost of Trinity College, Dublin. He therefore
moved, as an Amendment, " That the House concurred in the
opinions of the Commissioners and Bishops, that no general plan of
education could be available unless it were deirty and explicitly
understood and avowed that no attempt would be made to disturb
the principles of any religious sect?'

Mr. GOULBURN would think it his duty to confine
'himself to certain topics, and not to follow the Hon.
Gentleman through all the reasonings which be hid
connected with the subject. He would not argue with
him whether • the Catholics o Ireland read the Bible- cr
not, or whether they were in principle friendly or ad-
verse to the progress of education. On these subjects
there were-TA:4Rn opinions, but they were qu to irrele:
sant to the present subj.ce. The real question wa.
Ahether the Iskt firmament had dant the best ft;

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Mr. FRANK LAND LEWIS, after a few preliminary•
observations, said, that the Kildare-s ieet Association, in
stating the numbers. had set them down, not as those
actually in course of education by them, but as appli-
cants on their rods; the latter were nearly double the
number of the former, one being 100,000, the other be-
ing only 60,000. He did not think this a good mrde
of setting down the numbers; but there was at all events
no intentional deceit in it. Whatever arrangenients on
the subject of education the wisdom of Parliament might
suggest, they would be done without the slightest dii-
parageluent to the individuals composing the Kildaie-
street Association. He wished well to a plan which, as
one of the Commissioners, he had contributed to esta-
WWI, and• uould vote for a sum to be applied to the
maintenance of the schools; but it did not appear to
him, on reference to the account for 1824, that so small
a bum as 22;0001. would be sufcient to keep them up.
Much as he desired to see a system of public educatton
adopted, which should ha►e general approbation, he
could never agree to any system that did not initigle
with it religions instruction. As to the rules 01 the
Kildare-street Society, they never zooid be eat-lied into
effect in' Ireland. The Commissioned, whose Reiort
bad •been spoken of, recommended that the Human
Catholic children should not have any books put into -
their hands At these schools, that taught them contkmpt
,or dislike for that religion. One of the rules to which
he had alluded, enjoined that every schoolmaster should
be of the Established Church, .and that the Catechi►m
should be taught in the school over which he presided.
Now, whether these rules were carried strictly into exc..
cotion he could not say, but they were clearly incum-
pattble with the principles of the Roman Cathodic re-
ligion. The children were directed to read 'the Holy
&;joures wit:10111 note or comment, which was airs

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contrary:to-the principles of that pervasion. So long
as this was insisted upon, the system of education
would never be cordially acceded to by the Roman
Catholics. A ltoman Catholic Bishop had assured the
Commissioners that he would have no objection to the
Testament being place." in the hands of such as were
capable of understanding it—(Near). The placing of
meaty in the halt& of Itonvin Catholics, must go to establish a
syitent of Roman Catholic education, over which the House could
have no controul : the consequence would be, to perpetuate the
jealousy and diatrust which had bo Inns existed. The Hun. Gen-
tleman concluded, by oppu.ing the motion.
Mr. M. FITZGLItALD believed that the advice
given by the Honourable Commissioners for Education
was, that the beat possible means should be adopted for
the education of the poor in Ireland, without the least
reference to professions of faith, whether Protestant or '
catholic. Whilst the Hon. Member who spoke last depre-
cated applying public money to be spent in the education
of the Catholics of Ireland, through the medium of an
associ rted Catholic body, the public money was every
year voted to the-Kildare street Association, a Protes-
tant body, in order to educate the Catholic public of,
Ireland. The consequence of all this was, that the pro-
int was altogether abortive; whilst the Catholics them-
selves had it in their power to educate at this moment
377,000 children, or a Jolts in their (Awn schools, out of
their own funds. Now, he believed; that until the point
was conceded, that the Scriptures should form no part
of the religious instruction of the Catholic children, the
pmjeet of a united Protestant and Catholic system of
public instrut.tion was hopeless. A large proportion of
the lower Irish were scholars of no mean pretensions, as
far as regarded reading, writing, and even classical in-
f .rmation, but the sort of education which they really
required and wanted, was a habit of industry, a respect to the laws
and to order. The best mode, in his mind, to propagate the re-
formed religion In Ireland, would be to establish a common system
of education amongst Protestants and Catholics, without making it
a see fuel net that the reading of the Scriptures should form a
pert of the ordinance of such establishment..—He hoped the amend-
ment of his Honourable Friend, and the discussions of that night,
would not fail to-produce a due effect on the mind of his Majesty's
Itiimisters, and lead them to the future adoption of such measures,
ou the subject of education-connected with Ireland, as might display
a spirit of liberality and conciliation which would be worthy of
themselves and of the high official situations they filled.

Mr. Secretary PEEL confessed that he felt the only
question now before the House was, whether it would,
by its vote this evening, sanction the continuance of a
system of education in Ireland, which was at the least a
beneficial substitute fur any thing which had preceded
it; or, by opposing the estimate, put as end to the sys-
Vas, until a system could lie sebmitted which was mote
1 kely to give general satisfaction, and become perhaps
permanent. Many were certainly of opinion it would
be advisable that the system, whatever it were, should
not be placed under the control of any public consti-
tuted b.gly of persons, As an authority on the gener:l
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question, he should only cite the opinion of Dr. Murray,
the titular Primate of Ireland, that the children of Ro-
man Catholics and Protestants should be brought op
and instructed in the same schools, leaving their reli-
gious instructi• n to their respective Clergy. That Rev.
Gentleman, no slight authority on such a subject,
thought there might be books compiled even of a reli-
gious nature—such a harmony of the gospels and ex.
tracts from sacred writ—which, so far from being ob-
jectionables would be advantageous to the youth of
either persuasions For one, he could not but wish those
who were so laudably engaged in this praiseworthy
undertaking, all possible success. The Commissioners
selected by the Irish Government were the very class
of individuals who would have been pointed out by the
natural suggestion of all persons conversant with the
s abject; they gartered together an immense mass of
information which, others could not have gathered, be-
cause they were acquainted with the local prejudices
of the people, and they were therefore the most com
petent to make an experiment in the fist instance.—
The success was as yct uncertain, but the question
now was, whether,• in the anticipation of their certain
success at a future time, an end was to be put to their
recommendations. The effect of the proposed reso•
lutious would be to stigmatize the labours of others,
and such a course should be avoided as much as pos-
sible. Ile had the honour of being Secretary to the
Irish Government when the Report of the Committee
vas made; and as he was of opinion that an educated
Catholic was better than an uneducated Catholic, and
as there was no chance of their conversion to the Pro-

testa* faith, he thought the Kildate stieet Society,
composed of Catholics, Protestants, and Presbyterians,
had better be continued. He was anxious, also, that,
the notions of Psoselytism to the Protestant faith should,
twt get into the minds of the people; and he could
further say, that he bad a Bill drawn op on that very
subject. However, after very deliberate cunsultatiou
%kith many persons, particularly with those opposed to
him in political feelings towards the Catholics, it was
c'ecided that the Bill should be abandoned. Education.
was making a rapid progress in Ireland at that period,
and that was a further inducement to act as the liish

Government had done, namely, in not unnecessarily
bringing the subject before Parliament. All denomi-
nations of perscris were associated together in the
kildare-street S cietl•—.nd looking at the fourteenth
Repert of the Commissioners of &location, he found
no recommendation to aboiith it. Just the very con-
trary. He was asked, what had been done by the So-
ciety ? It could be shewn, that some good had been
done by therm, and be thought it would be unwise to
paralyze their exertions at this moment. They might
have made some mistake as to the number of their
schdars, but taking the minimum at 50,000, (of whom
25,000 were Roman Catholics), of persons educated by
them, it could not be said they had been of so little use
as that their exertions should now be paralyzed. Be-
side the books circulated by that Society—books ap-
proved of by Dr. Doyle, and other Catholic Prelates,
should be -taken into account. In 1818, when they
commenced their labours, the number of tracts circu-
lated by them was 50,000:-
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Is 1820
1821
1822
1823
1824
1825

123,000
153,000
185,000
106,000
121,000
172,316

So far, then, the bonii fide distribution of useful tracts
was beyond all doubt. Again, in the school called the
• modem school, or school for teachers, there were 400
boys and 207 girls, of all persuasions—of these there
were 158 Glare Established Church, 225 Catholics, and

the remaining number Presbyterians, which was a proof
that the Kildare street Society, though not, perhaps,
doing all that might be done—the system not being
complete on which they acted—still it would be clear,
that the Society was not actuated by any strong prose.
lytibing system, when the result was what be had stated.
/le trusted he should nut, by agrteineto the Resolutions,
cast a stigma upon the hi..-12 Institutions, and by that

means piralytetbeir 'cordons. The difference between
him and the Hon. Member was cetuinly very trifling'
but be thought that the adoption of those resolutions ,
would be construed out of doors in a very, different
manner. With. respect to what hadbeen sAid,*about
giving the Irish people an education) not foundekon
the Christian Religion, he would make but one observit.
tion. He, fur one, could not agree that that House
should sanction any system of education not founded
upon the Christian Religion. ( Hear). He did not
wish to see a race of young philosophers who derived
their sense of moral duty front any other source than
the Christian Religion. He had not the slightest wish
to see ragged children with a Cicero under one arm and
a Virgil under the other, as the peasants of Kerry were stated to be
by the Right Hon. Member for that county, but he wished to
afford them an education far better suited to their condition of life.
As he agreed with the principle of the two first Resolutions, he
trusted the Hon. Member would not, by pursing the amendment
to a division, compel him (Mr. P.) to vote against it, which was
thr only course left him, without doing that which he should be
sorry to do—tamely, to au a stigma upon the Kildare-street
Association.

Mr. M. FITZGERALD, in explanation, said that he
was far from wishing to see the education orally class in Ireland, or
elsewhere, unaccompanied with religious instruction. AU he had
wished for was, that though Catholic and Protestant children should
have their general education in common, their religious instruction
might be separate.
Mr. PElgL—Then Dr. Murray went farther than this; for he
wax of opinion that selections might be made from the sacred Scrip-
tures which would answer children of Protestants and Catholics.

Sir J. NEWPORT contended, that the affirming these
resolutions would not tend to cast any slur on the kil-
thre-street Society, because that. institution profe.sed
not to interfere with the religious opinions of the chit.
dren. He thought it would be better to affirm these
resolutions, or at least the first of them, and then go
into the Committee to ascertain what-sum ought to be
voted. The Right Hon. Baronet then proceeded to
point out the great inconvenience which arose in some
of the charity-schools from the want of a proper supply
of books. A gentleman who visited one of those schools
found a volume of Roderick Random, used by one of the
boys as a school-book; and on inquiring why such a
book was allowed, was told that the boys brought any
book they could get, ie which to learn to read. With respect to
the system of religious education, be could not see bow any dithculty
could arise, in allowing one day out of the six, for giving religious
instruction to the children separately according to their respective
creeds, and ►eaving them on the other days to receive general educa-
tion in commton. Looking at the principle in this light, he could
see no evil as likely to result from the adoption of the resolutions
before the House.

Mr. GOULBURI* said, it could answer no good purpose to
affirm an abstract principle on which they were all agreed, whereu
it alight lead to unpleasant misunderstandings out of doors.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH expressed his surprise at the
opinions delivered by an Hon. Member below him. • If
the Bible were a bad book, it might be well to exclude
it ; but if it was a work of inspiration; it was impossible
its circulation could be injurious, and it was unreasonable
to proscribe it. One of the greatest barriers to. educa-
tion was the interference of the Priests, who neglected
to educate the children themselves, and withdrew them
from schools devoted to that purpose. There was it,
Gentleman in Ireland who had five hundred children at
a school, who were all withdrawn from the school by
the priests. The Hon. Member then read a string of
Resolutions from some school-masters of Armagh,
Cavan, Monaghan, Meath, and Louth, expressing their
assent to the Rheims Bibles sent by the Irish Society,
and he was persuaded, that this was the sentiment of
the people at large. He could mention an instance to
the House of a Learned Judge in Ireland, wild, in ad-
dressing the Grand Jury of Limerick, said the people.
were so demoralized, that convictions produced no impression on
them; be was tired of passing sentence, and he was persuaded
nothing would work a reform but scriptural education. And he
trusted the State would never consent to say system of education
which prescribed the Holy Scriptures. -
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON, in reply to the Hon. Gentle.
man who had just spoken, denied that his Hon. Friend,
or any one el,e, had ever maintained the monstrous pro.
position that a system of education should be established,
disconnected v religious instruction. The argument
was, that the Catholics should be allowed to have their
own 'them; and that any attempt to educate the
people that was connected wall a ay stem of proselytism,
must necessaiily defeat itself. The Hon. Member who
had just spoken bad pronounced a cruel libel on the
Catholic Clergy of Ireland, when he said that their
flocks were destitute of moral and religious instruction.
As to the Bibles, the dissemination of which the Hon.
Member had recommended, he had only shown his own
gross ignorance in cluing so. Did the Hon. Gentleman
know bow many (in some parts of Ireland) could read an Irish
Bible' Not one in a thousand. He denied that there had been
any syitematic neglect of the moral and religious education of the
people of Ireland, and he was fully assured that if any expectation
was entertained of shaking the attachment of the people to the
Catholic religion by any side-wind or artifice, be it ever so subtle or
refined,tkose who se thought would hod themsebresentirely mistaken.
Mr. SPRING RICE replied, but declined pressing his amend-
ment to a division : after which the original motion, that the Speaker
do now leave the Chair, having been put and agreed to, the House
resolved itself into a

COMMITTEE OP SUPPLY.

Mr. BANK ES then moved that a sum of 13,9921. be granted to
his Majesty tor defraying the expenses of the British Museum for
the year 1826; he observed that between 127,800 and 128,000
persons hail visaed the Museum last year.
Mi. 11U kl B complained of the Museum only being open three
days for the inspection of the public ; this regulation often caused
very great inconvenience to individuals, which would be materially
remedied irk were to be open four days in the week instead of three.
Mr. BANK ES wished the Museum to be as accessible
45 possible to the public ; but it was necessary that one
day in the week should be reserved for cleaning it, and
two days more were required for. the exclusive admittance of stu-
dents who bad occasion to examine the different specimens more
In detail than the rest of the public.
The motion was then put, and agreed to.
PROTESTA Di? ,CHARTER SCHOOLS.

Mr. GOULBURN moved the Irish Estimates; and
on the motion for granting the sum of 19,5001. for the Protestant
Chartered Schools, which the Right Hun. Gentleman said had
been diminished 5000/4
Mr. JOHN SMITH objected to the grant, unless she
Right lion. Gentleman would assure him, that the cruelties and
barbarities practised in those schools, which would disgrace the
character of any nation, were to be prevented. If he did not
secure this assurance, he should oppose the motion.
Mr. GOULBUItN : The Hon. Member would see,
by the sum being reduced, and it being the intention to
ask for a still smaller sum the next year, that the whole
of these schools were to be gradually done away. He
was aware, as w(11 as the Hon. Member, of these com-
plaints; and though it was not possible immediately to
reiorrn all those schools, neither was it practicable to
turn all the children in them loose into the world at once. The
law officers of Ireland had taken the proper steps fur prosecuting
the persons who had been accused of misbehaviour ; and there
could be no doubt that the probability of being brought to a public
trial would be an of check to future cruelty.
Sir JOHN NEWPOR I' objected to the grant, on the
ground that nothing had been done to carry into execu-
tion the resolution of the House of Commons, passed
seven months before the Estimates were framed. He
complained that Catechists, who received gratuities and
salaries for making reports, had never made any ; and
that they, as parochial Ministers, had no right whatever

for catechising the thildren,which wsrtheil
bjected, therefore, to coati' tt.eir sala-

inning
J gratuities. The manner in which the. Corn-
.cee, which had the coittroul of these schools, had
suffered them to be mismanaged, their own officer
`taking bribes, and going unpunished, took away all
confidence in the future management of the schools.—
If the controul were left to the same body, the inquiry
pinto the abuses would be extended ad infinitum. It was
seven months since the resolution of the House of Com-
Mons had been passed, and nothing had yet been done
in punish even the officers of the Committee, who had grimly mis-
Cendneted themselves.

Mr. GOULBURN acknowledged that abuses had
misted, but, he contended, the proper steps had been
taken to prosecute and punish the offenders, He would
take on himself to promise that no part of this sum
should be misapplied. Gent!emelt who• were acquainted
with Ireland would be aware how many local difficul-
ties there were in the way of ascertaining the truth as to the con-
duct of the Catechists.

Mr. HUME said that this was a pretty speciMen or
the manner in which Ireland was governed, as also of
the manner in which the extravagant grants for that
country were applied. They were now called upon to
vote grants which amounted altogether to 371 0001. for
Irish charities. The greater part of these charities were
placei under authorities which Government had no
means of controlling, and thus it happened that the
grant of •money to support them was, in general, a
gross abuse of the funds of the public. He complained
that the Right Hon. Secretary opposite had greatly
increased the amount of these grants, during the time
he had held his present office. In 1822 the aggregate
of these votes was 322,0001. and it had gone on in-
creasing progressively from year to year, until it
amounted at present to 371,0001. He wondered that
the Chancellor of the Exchequer (who before the close
of the present year would find a want of money, or he
[Mr. Humej was much mistaken) had not probed these
charities to the bottom. The amount of money voted to
the charter schools in 1880,was taken upon the average
vote of the three years preceding the Union. It was then
13,0001. In 1807 it had increased to 20,0001. in 1813 to
30,0001. in 1817 to 41,0001. in 1818 it decreased greatly,
but it had now raised itself again to 19,0001. The ag-
gregate amount of the sums voted for these useless and
mischievous schools, since the Union, was 732,5681.
independent of the funds which they derived from pri-
vate estates, which, by the bye, were so mismanaged,
that they did not produte more at present than they did
in 1796, though every man's priiate estate had trebled
in value since that time. Those funds amounted to
183,0001. so that altogether 916,00% had been spent in
the course of twenty-five years upon these idle and mis.
chievous charter-schools. He contended that the House
ought not to be content with the slow and tardy pace
in which the Government was proceeding to :educe
them; and in order to accelerate the reduction of them, he wc.uld
suggest that the grant now proposed should be placed at the dispo-
sal of the,„Lord Lieutenant, and not of the Consmk.ioners. In con-
clusion, he objected very strongly to the grant of 7381. 9s. ed. for
law expenses. How could such money be fairly expended in sup-
port of the Protestant charter schools '?

Mr. GOUL BURN said the Hon. Member had made
two objections ; first, that the votes had been increased
every year. If the Hon. Member looked at the papers,
he would find that the sum this year was less by 19.0001. than in
the year 1522. The Hon. Member did not regard trifles, but stated
that 7581. was, required for the discharge of law expenses. That
-sum of 7551. was, however, no more than 461. Is. so that the lion.
Gentleman had overstated the sum 6921. 'chat was a proof of the
'Mon. Gentleman's accuracy.
Mr. HUM E denied that any material mistatement had been made.
Mr. MONCK objected to the whole of the Charitable Ebtimates.l
they were a great hurdles on the people of this country. Because
no provision had been made for the poor of Ireland, the people of
England and Scdtland were called upon to do that which the people
of Ireland were competent to do themselves. The ilbn. Member
thought a tax might be laid on the rich Irish landlord& to defray
these charitable institutions.
Mr. GRATTAN said he should have no objection to a tax for
the purpose stated by his lion. Friend, provided it was bid on the
landholder in the way of rates, and applied to chariubl institutions.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved as an amendment, that the
money be issued to the turd Lieutenant, for the purpose of pro-
viding fur the maintenance of these children, with all due regard
to the future reduction of the establishments themselves.

Mr. BROGDEN doubted whether such an amendment was in
conformity with the rules of the House. Grants were made told.
Majesty without any limitation as to the persons through whom
they were to issue, and he did not know whether this amendment,
if carried, would not be an infringement on the Royal prerogative.
Mr. JOHN SMITH considered the conduct of the Superin-
tendents of the. Charter Schools highly blameable. They appeared
to the Hon. Member to be liable to censure for the barbarities
which had occurred.
Mr. GOD LBURN could not concur in the amendment, coupled
as It lives with a censure upon the Managers of the Charter Schools.
He could not consent to make those Gentlemen answerable for the
barbarity of Individuals. Every effort had been made by the
I)irecton to discover and punish those who had been guilty of those
hAtbarities.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT was persuaded the Managers had not
done their duty. _
Mr. HUTCHIMION thought the proposition of his Right
Hon. Friend a lenient one, after the facts which had appeared in
the Report.
Mr. P. LEWIS said everything would be done for the benefit
of the public with respect to the Charter Schools which could
be done.

Mr. BUTTERWORTH supported the Chartered Schools.
The Committee then divided—
For the amendment
Against it

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Majority against the amendment
The original question was then agreed to.
Mr. HUME moved an amendment to reduce the sum of 9,000/.
to defrahe expences of the Society for Suppressing Vice to 9,4301.
GORDONG Mr. opposed the Irish Estimates altogether, 'and
expressed a hope that the Right Hon. Gentleman would produce
them next year in an amended state.
Mr. GOULBURN defended the conduct of Government.

The Committee then divided--
For the amenJrnent, 11 I Against It, 37 I Majority. N.

Oa our entering the Gallery w;found
Mr. HUME moving, That the Chairman should report pro-
gress, and beg leave to sit again.
Mr. R. GORDON opposed the motion.
Mr. GOULBURN begged leave to proceed with the votes as
soon as possible.
After a few words front Col. Townsman, Mr.' M. FITZGUALD,
and Mr. GAATTAN,

Mr. HUME said, there were many Hon. Gentlemen who
wished these Estimates to be gone through as early as possible,
they were quite in the right, because they were to benefit their
country. He, however, could not allow them to be voted away
without some deliberation, the more especially as he stood forward
only as a Representative f Scotland, for whose benefit they were
not calculated—(A laugh). He should therefore still move for an
Adttrnment.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit
again on Wednesday next.
The House resumed, and.the Orders of the Day being disposed
Of, the House Adjourned at On o'Cioca.

Foreigners smile at the inconsistency of our Statute
Book. One Art prohibits gaming—a second seems to legalize it,
by fixing stamps on cards and dice—whibt a third has actually
abolished Lotteries, the most placid, air, and innocent mdde of
adventure' ever invented, and indeed the only one whereby every
Person has an equal chance with his neighbour; and by which any
man, Woman. or child may, for a very small sum of money, gain
a princely forum in a few days, as in the relent Lottery, which
of Peres'', is the very last but one that ever will be ,übmtttrd
to the public.

THE EVENING

LONDON.

'AR.

TUESDAY, MARCH 21, 1826.

STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCE.

eons*ls opened at 77# # for the Anent, and went up to 711 ;
but fell again to 77i, with little or nothing doing. The failure of
yesterday has rather damped the Public spirit, fearing it will be
the cause of some more houses going In the same line. Consols
are now 7711.
In the Foreign 'Market, nothing is doing.
Current Prices: Old Spanish 106 Russian 77# IS, Brazilian
Bonds $6, Greek Bonds 171# 111.

ONE O'CLOCK.
The Market remains in the same state as at Twelve o'Clock.
Consols 7711, with scarcely anything doing.

PRICK OF STOCKS AT TWO O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock Shut.
S per Cent. Red. Shut.
S per Cent. Cons. 77% % % •
53; per Cent. Shut.
31 per Cent. Red. Shut.
4 per Cent. 953/4 1/2
Low! Ann. Shut.
India Stock Shut.
India Bondc. 3 4 prem.
£l,OOO Excheq. Bill, 4 5 prem.
£loo acrd £2OO ditto 4 5 prem.
£5OO ditto 4 5 prem.
Cons. for Acct. 77% 34 14
FOREIGN FUNDS. TWO O'CLOCK

Brazilian Bonds, 564 Mexican Bonds, 1925,5 p C. 65i
Chilfan Bonds,6 p Ct. SO S GS}
Colombian Bds. 6 p C. 504 Ditto Acct. 664 65
Do lids 1894, 494 1494 Perm,. p C. 314 1
Do. Ace. 494 494 Span. 5 p Ct. Cons. 104
Danish Bonds. 3 p C. 551 55 Ditto Acct. 104 11
Ditto Acct. SS Span. Sp. Ct. C. 1843.74
BRITISH AND FOREIGN SHARES, TWO O'CLOCK.

Anglo Mexican 5 pm.
Anglo Chilian
Tlalpuxallua
United Mexican

SNARL
100
100
400

PA n.
45 25
5 1
50 50
20

Ditto ileW 40 15 13i
Australian - . 100 6 15
Great Westminster Dairy 25 .. 6 le
Mexican Company 100 10 1
Metropolitan Alderney Dairy 25 4 - 1i 1

THE KING'S HEALTH.

We have the extreme happiness to state, that en in-
quiring at Carlton Palace, this day, we learn that the
KING passed another very good night, and is so much
better this morning, that no Bulletin will be issued
to-day. We sincerely congratulate oar Readers and
the country on this happy event, and hope soon to be
enabled 'to announce the entire revoration of his
MAJESTY'S health.

Our cotemporary of the Morning Chronicle has
treated largely on the encreasing evil of the POor's
Rates, and has called public attention to what he de.
nominates, an attempt which is now about to be made
io Parliament by the landed interest, to shift a great
share of the burthen from their own shoulders to those

of the community at large. The gigantic evil of pan•
perism is, we very much fear, too deeply rooted ever to
be reformed by any other means than beginning at
the root , and source of t'm disease—namely, the
disposition of the poorer classes to rely on paro-
chial aid rather than on their own provident ex.
ertions. If the moral feelings of the labouting
population were once elevated, so as to disdain the beg.
garly relief of Poor's Rates, the latter would in time be
limited to their legitimate objects—a provision for ex-
treme distress and helplessness. To this most desir.
able end, the admirable Institution of the Savings'
Banks has already, in the short space of seven or
eight years, made surprising advances. It appears
y Parliamentary Papers, that up to the commencement
of the late distresses, the depositors to the Savings'
Banks had in the aggregate laid by a capital to the

tonishing amount of thirteen millions !—of which, not.
withstanding all the subsequent misery which the coon•
try has exprienced, not more, we understand, than half
a million has been drawn nut to the present time. To
how many thousands has not that small -sum, less
than four per cent. of the whole, afforded sue.
coot in the late eventful trials, who would other.
wise have come upon the parishes? If that pro.
vident spirit should be still further cherished by fel•
lowing it up is it is intended, through the Insti-
tutions of Friendly Societies, we anticipate that the
benefit to the moral feelings of the poor will be
multiplied in a tenfold degree;—these being among
the extreme poor, millions of persons living by daily
labour, who cannot save even the humble pittance of one
shilling in the week. B.st even these, it appears by the
Report of the Committee on Friendly Societies,
by a steady payment of two shillings a month,
from the fruits of their own industry a provision
sickness of twelve shillings a week ; a further
of a pension for life in old age—namely after 65,

ther in health or sickness, of five shillings a week;

lastly, a sum of ten poundi to defray decently the

pence of their funeral, whenever the, closing hour
their existence may arrive. This, in the
a very numerous, and much the better portion of
•working classes, is a benefit far surpassing
aid, and one which they would willingly purchase,
they had the certainty that their little hoardings we
placed under the protection of Parliament, and
the care of skilful management.

Notwithstanding all that has beed said against the
pertinacity of the Ministers in respect to the Silk Traf
the wisdom of their policy is already beginning to
felt. Our manufacturers, seeing that they must be
yen to a competition with their neighbours, and ht
declared that they had nothing to fear from their
valry, are anxious to prove that such is really the ct
It is certainly as good policy to take a lesson from
'rival as an enemy, and our master silk weavers

V

the Savings'
of seven or
It appears
umencement
the Savings'
ital to the as.
F which, not.
ich the cowl.
,nd, than half
nt time. To
11 'sum, less
(forded suc.
would other.
If that pro.
fished by fel.
.1 the Insti. •
sate that thei
soot will be
zing among
ing by daily
ittance of one
spears by the
ocieties, can,
nonth, secure
provision in
hei provision
fter 65, whe•
a week ; and
:ently the ex•
using hour of .
estimation of
onion of the
,ing parochial
r purchase, if
>ardings were
t, and under
d against the
he Silk Trade,
ginning to be
must be dd.
a, and having
from their ri•
ally the case
lesson from
weavers art

• vigirty tilhPoßtug Frendh looms and French lope*.
Intendants ; the coniequenee Is, that fancy goodi Cave
seen 'Made in this country, which, id pdint 6f quality
and brilliancy of pattern, are fully equal to the best
French specimens, whilst the colours are said to be faster,
and, what is still more important is, that the cost of
production is even less, the Seotsinam newspaper says,
sir per cent. less than similar goods would cost at Lyons.
We did not, however, altogether need this proof of
the excellence of our manufactures, since it is in evidence
before the House of Lords, that when a few French silks
have been smuggled into this country, they have been
copied so we, thit to use the evidence of Mr. HALZ,
the very respectable silk manufacturer in Spi:alfields,
where there has beers one French garment worn, there
h ire been a thousand sold as French from the very
patterns thus copied." Nay, farther we believe, those
watchful guardian; of the exclusive system, the Custom
House officers at the out ports, have more than once
been puzzled in deciding whether imported articles
both of silk and lace were of English or French manu-
facture. If then we have been enabled so nearly to
approach our neighbours in an art in which they so
much pride themselves, what have we to fear with the
new stimulus given to our exertions, protected as our
manufacture is as to the price of production by a duty
on French silk, so large as 30 per cent.?
It is not the least remarkable feature in this question,
:hat while our silk manufacturers have.been dreading the
ruin of their trade by French competition, the persons
engaged in this business in France are equally afraid of
us, as will bedseen by the following extract of a letter
from Lyons :—" The silk weavers of this place are
becoming very uneasy at the removal of some of the
best hands among their foremen to England, where
they have been engaged to superintend French looms,
expected from this country (France). It is generally
understood that not less than twenty looms, on
the most approved principle, have left Lyons allne
within the last two months, and several are making
upon the plan adopted by an inhabitant of this city
about five months ago. Some of the manufacturers
have taken alarm at this, and have petitioned the (;io-
vernment to take extraordinary means to stop this ex-
portation; but it has been observed, and perhaps truly,
that a few having already been sent away, the
English will be able to make as many for themselves as
they like. We aiebeginning to feel distress here ; many of
the agents who were sent to England to take orders for
silk goods having returned with one-tenth part of the
orders which they expected to obtain,and for which their
employers had provided, so that not only will there be
no new orders to execute, but the stock en hand will
not go off very easily. Fortunately, provisions) and
particularly bread, are very cheap here, and the regu-
lations of the police for keeping a full supply are so
good, that with little work the weavers may keep from
starving."

The Editor of the Afacdeffield Iferalci, by whom this
fetter has been received, and inserte in that respectable
Juurnal, though decidedly opposed to Ministers with
regard to their policy as to the Silk Trade, and though
declaring that nothing of a positive character has oc-
curred to convince him that he was wrong as to the
arrangements of Government for admitting French silks
upon payment of a duty of SO per Cent. says he considers
it his duty to insert the above letter, and candidly adds
-s" It is as a piece of information more cheeting in its
nature than any that we have had from the same quar-
ter ; and truly happy shall we be if its effect prove bene-
ficial among our own manufacturers. It may certainly
tend to discourage gloom, and to excite competition,
by chewing that the French manufacturers have already
overstocked themselves, and that they will now proba-
bly refrain from manufacturiqs in pure speculation,
and uselessly glutting their own and foreign markets."
The terror of the French and the hopes of the English ma-
nufacturer, from the new laws respecting the silk trade,
may be considered as pretty strong evidence in their
favour, so far as this. country is concerned ; and as
breaking down one of the most formidable barriers
against a free trade, we cannot but consider it as a
triumph on the part of Ministers.

By the last accounts from South America, we learn
that the Brazilians have commenced an acive warfare
against the Commerce of the Provinces of La Plata,
and have captured several vessels attempting to enter
the ports of the latter. The Buenos Ayres Govern-
ment has passed a law, authorizing privateering against
the Brazilians. The following letters on this subject
have been this forenoon received from the Agents to
Lloyd's, at the respective places where they are dated: