Star.
London, England, 1804-04-14 00:00:00

IIIISN MILITIA BILLS.

Mr. T. (IR underitanding that an Order of the Day
Rood for the third reading of the Bill for enabling his hl..icity to
accept the tete • of to,ocin hint Militia for ferviec in Enelatid,
and alio far enabling the Lord I.kutenant of Ireland to augment
the Miliri.r of Ireland, by recruiting bounties, to the like extent.
He f id, that hyena Gentlemen,who confidering the Bills. tlimigh
much upon the famr fiNe.ft, to be tacvertheletk (Udine! meafun.s;
and, fuypohng they would not be in,:ccded upon the fame .1 iy,
bad confequently refereed the fentiments they intended to deliver
upon the latter of chore Bills; but would be deprived of the oppor-
tunity of delivering their opinions, if Loth Bills were to be rind
the tfiird time to-day, as they were not prefect. Ile hoped, thri e-
tote, there would be do objeetion to pollpone the third readii.g of
the Augmentation Bill until Monday or Tudday.

To this Mr. Secretary YORKL readily acceded, upon the
around thud by the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. SHERIDAN had no obitAion to poliponing the heft of
thcie Bills, or both to a futuhe day ; but if e.elser was to go ell this
day, he ilseught it Ciould be the Attimcnutian Bill, as it w .utd he
recifiary to &mato that ruin! boort tl Houle &wild hnsfly
elsisre:int on a mature that n,o deprive Ireland of fo very eon.
suler,ble &portion of her toms:, betirt any proainun was made for
replacing it DI adequate "...I.
Mr. Secretary Y RICE obp sic.] to this arrangement, as though
bmh Bilis had hithenn procscded pretty much on the fame days,
in point of priomy, lie thou, ht the firft-mentioned PiU en-
titled to preccdtnes, as it wa • opt e.neally alluded to in the Adderfs
voted in anfwer to h. M..js.ly's Meiffayc, and the alfur4nee r,ven
that the Hoofs would proceed to tat it into conhderation—
whereas On allusan Wig to, it in the Addrefs to the Argmenta.

Bill.—Tbc order for th, Lttu, dim fore, was defc;red till
Aliin.lay, on the motion of Mr. MT: et.iry N OR XL.

11111,14 MILITIA Orilttlli BILL.

Mr. Secretary YORKE moved the order a the
ely for the third reading of the Irilh Trani
ference Bill.—On the queftion being put.
KINNAIRD. nt a fpeech of cr.nfiderable
opr, ted th‘ ninfure. He contended
an the in %,hich we were engaged
had been entered into hoot a war.: of energy on the
i-41t of Mi-i:lcrs. It Was a War in which the Nlin:.•
ACTS had involved us. be,7aufc they could n. t keep
peace. Hr blamed 34.11 the generni iyileni of tnea.
Curet. purfued by thole Gentlemen. The tn‘afures
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Mr. LEE !poke alto at confiderable length. He
would with his Majelty'a Minifters to have it in their
power to fend the greaten poffible force to that part
of the United Kingdom, wherever it might be, that
fhould be firft invaded. He taw no reafon why even
Volunteers fhould not be fent to Ireland if there was
any neceffity. As the Union of the two countries
had taken place, there thould be no dillinaion what.
ever. A county in Ireland fhould be confidered on
the fame light as a county in England. An extenfive
interchange would be an improvement on the militia
fyftem, which the nature of the times reqnired.—
After time other obfervations he concluded by giv-
ing his fullell appichation of the meafure.
Mr. BANKIIS was willing to admit the general
principle fupported by the lad fpeaker, but 'Milted
that it was a principle not recognized by the framers
and promoters of the bill. The reverfe, indeed, was
fo much the cafe, that they had avowed that it was
not their intention to make Inch an interchange as
had been alluded to. The Honourable Gentleman
paid tome high compliments to the It ifh Millitia, and
adduced fume haltances of the gallant fervices they
had performed in the rebellion, and againft the
French during the last war, and particularly a final!
corps under the command of that gallant Officer,
ColoneLVereker. lie oppofed the meafure.
The difctiffion was moil ialed to a great length,
but nothing of novelty occurred in the arguments of
the different Ipealers.
Mr. WINDHAM infined on the arguments which
he had previoully urged againil the whole of the
meafure. He contended that it was not only uncon-
Ilitutional, but that there was not even the pretence
of national utility to justify this violation of princi-
ples and ufages long recognized. It appeared to
him that the who!: meafure was of a piece with the
other meafures of Minillers. No objets was accom-
plifhed, though an apparent variation of plans was
held out to public observation.
Mr. Secretary YORKE replied at fotne length,-
urging the arguments adduced in A former Rage of
the bill, in fupport of the meafure.
Sir J. NEWPORT declared, that in alluding to
the refolutions of a moa refpeftable body of indivi-
duals, in oppofitioo to the extenlion of the fervices of
the Militia fyltem, he by no means attached to them
improper motives : on the contrary, he believed that
they aged from the molt patriotic principles.
Mr. FOX (poke very &only on the fubjea. He
was fatisfied, from the explanation of the Honour-
able Baronet, that no improper infinnation was
meant to be conveyed againfl the Noble and Ho-
nourable Perfons who figned the Refolutions refer- I
red to. He role for the purpbfe of alluding to a
clank in the Bill refpcaing the right of Officers to
compel the attendance of privates on Divine Wur.
fhip. With Catholic foldiers, this would be felt a,
very great inconvenience, and it was proper that it
(}could be well unuer flood. He wished therefore that
the Bill Ihould not contain any clank which might
be liable to milapprehenfion. This was the more
neceffary becaufe a large proportion of thole volun-
teering their fervices to this country were Catholics.
Mr. W. SMITH was againil the Bill nn conflitu-
tional grounds. Lord PROBY was on the fame fide.
General LOFTUS lirenuoully fupported the fug-
gellion which was thrown out as to the compulfbry
attendance on divine fervice.

Lord EUSTON was decidedly again!" the Bill, as
tending to the fubvertinn of the Militia fyitem, or, if
that was not the cafe, of the completion of a regu-
lar difpolable force.
Colonel HUTCHINSON in a very impreffive
fpeech Rated his reafons for voting for the Bill. He
enforced the general arguments which we Rated at
large on a fotmer occafion, and replied to the ob-
jeCtions urged againll the view of the filbjed on
which his opinion was founded.
Mr. WHITBREAD made a very fpitited fpeeeh
againfi the Bill. In the courfe of it he had occafien
to illuflrate with great force the arguments previ-
oufly adduced in oppofition to the meafore.
Mr. BRAGGE replied fhortly, but his obferva-
firms involved no p,,int of general ;firma.
After a mutu.tl sspianatinn betwixt the two Taft
Honourable Members, the quettion was loudly call-
ed for from all parts of the Houle. The gallery was
cleated. On the diviibn the numbers were—For
the Bull, too ; againfl it, ¢x.—Majority, 58.
After fome u.nverfation, id which Mr. `WIND-
HAM, the ATTORNEY GENERAL, and Dr.
LAWRENCi.: toy k a part,
hlr. YOR tn:e to propofe fome claufes as rid-
etc to the Bill. n.inttly, that the duration oldie Bill
fhould be fised for the 2 s:h of March, tBo6, and
that after that period. the It ills Militia fhould not re-
main in this country. . . .

This amendment produced much remark, in the
courfe of which Lord 1)E BLAQVIERE slated a
Olfe to prove the neccllity of adopting it, that out of
a number of the EngWslitiA who went to Ire-
land in the year 1799. a very frnall proportion would
agree to live from their own country after a certain
period. I'he amendment was agreed to, and the
Bill was palled and ordered to the Lords.

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