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INUtt SIVENPENOi.

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therisfote, that' *amber prorogation of Parliament
wand not take plate without first giving Represents.
livaito the borough of East Retford. Even the Most
sedan friend' of Reform could not wish that that bo.
tough should tiMain in its' pt eseht situation.Refetenee
haikbeen Made to the cave of Penryn. The Bill for dis-
franchising that borough ions lead a first time io that
Hot** en the lit March last year, liter which the
Home heard no more about it (with the exce)nion of
the occurrence in the civil contingencies of a litle item
of " 7.0001. fie expenses of witnesses" examiii-d in
that case before a Commitiee bf the Heusi.) until the
90th. of Jane fullossing...nearly four nsanths—ashis he
footed tirat it was lent in the ether House. It seas int-

possible, therefore (slionid a similar coots* be adopted
in tbe present east), that the Measure could pass du cash
both.stiossesef Parliament in the +bort period that
remained of the present Session ; for we were to have
tha:ennunrdlog sod conflicting motions of the Honour-
able Member fur Blevehinglel, for Hertford, and for
Lyme Regis, Mut perhnpv striae fourth Hon. Member
-osulitpresadit himself to take op the ennqueror„ Under
;alga*? cirqnsigieirres be trusted the Haase would
eifitear the .tbe petitioners. A contrary
coursewould hp an illustration of in old legal Maxim.
that "a *cry ill Mao may be very unjustly elevated."
Mr. LITTLETON. could not conceive with what
propriety any suggestion of the nature contained in the
pe ition could be addreued to a House which bad al-

ready expressed its opinion that the borough of East
Belford was no longer worthy of being represented in
Partiament.- If the House were to grant a new' writ
under these circumstances it•would be guilty of great
inconsistency. •He svi-hed his Hon. Fiieud, the Mem-
, bet ler Bletchingley, if .ha should obtain the cnntour-
lance cat the Hon. Member fife -lkotlerd (Mt. K. Cal-
' yea), would consent to the postponement of the kues•
lien to t',e nest Session of Parliament: Hs would not

ask the Ministers *hat was to be the detains( r•f the
present Session of Parliament. but the state of the Or-

der Boca furnished some idea of the improbahalitr that
a Bill such as that proposed could 'pass in the present
Session.. Mere discus.ion could •be productitre of no
good. His Majesty's Government 'could not be ex.
petted to protract the Seisson in order•that that single
measure should be pawed ; and if that could nett be
done why press the Bill scow? He should, in conclu-
sion, recommend a Resolution pledging the House to
take the subject iota consideration early nest Session of
Parliament.
Mr. TENNYSON hid not risen immediately after
'his Hon: Friend' the Member for l)uogarvon (Mr.
Lamb), being !notion...to hear the opinion of. his Hon.
Friend the*Miuter for Staffordshire. and was glad he
hod followed that course. tie agreed with him (Mr.
'Littleton) that these was little prospect of being able to
citify the Bill tlirough boils Houses during the present
'Ses ion,. and. hi cotiturred also in opinion with his Hers.
',fiend, that the Moine would be compromising its dig-
nity, af!erits vitt Of last year, by issuing a new .writ.
(the lion. Member then read an extract from his speech
'of putt year, to stiaw• the extent of the carruptiosi that
bad prevailed in the Bon u4ti of East Retfotsl, b which
et appeared that the whole of the present residett voter II
,YrEo had voted in 1418,eicept ;id, and dirt_eho had
been si,imitted between 1818 and IVO. had brio guilt,'
of taking bribes.) On what greutid; therefore. could
the petitmners rest view prayer for the issue if .1 new
writ? For his own putt hr wished .to proceed; still, if
it was the opinion of the House that the Bill Onitht to
be postponed. he teas teady.to acquiesce. Tie Hon.
Memtser concluded hi defending hiniself against• any
imputation of`having either . abandoned the cause he
had undertaken to- coodus:t. or even of having acted
dilatorily. • •
Lord J. RUSSELL objected to issuing a new writ to
a borough convicted cif c,orupt vractices. It would be
a .dangeroos precedent. At to the plan of posipoosog
the question, he could not see how it could he At!fliiied•
If that House pessed it Bill on the sitbject this Session.
and the other House refused to entertain it. then .the
House of Loids should bear the responsihility of re.
fesiug justice to the codntry: The end of the Session
was trot hear. If the Government would terininate the
Session-befort the measure should ke brought to a sa-
tisfactory conclusion'. ti.en let the Government beviit he
responsibility of such conduct= at 'ill *vet*, the Goose
of Coltman* 'night to do iti iptrin pressing the mesa
sire fotviarathit Session:.... .• • . .
Mr: DUNCOM bE coneueredikolijec6ng to e.. wist-
ponement. The argument founded on ire alleged w ant
ot thee dihierved Pb attenti4O, iiltiti it „vrali. recollected
'with what rapidity Parliament had laielypassesl.ais ern.
pprtant.question into a law. Lie retained Its. reunion
that the franchise of the convicted betcruet negltt lobe
oatooded to,the suer. ending hundred.
Mi. kiiiICOURT thought the iresegatiore.4, the
effair lehatit ittie up top much time. tn.t/pe. Lads, 40
'allot; *Parliatiefit to settle• the %nastiest. this •Seesitto
without-duOlfeliberation. He could net ./resent to its
being forte/ rough the Lords without she eiareillar
don of eritneatei,-,end trusted it would beiposeponed to
another Session.:(l. ~, .. . - . ...
Mr. H. OURN;/..!wes of opinion that 'the gre*
towns, tuch as Birrtigham and Manchester, Motild
be introdhced into the,repioseliustion; botiever, it may
be better topost.pime The measure now, -srd emir ittle
it at large next Sessiciii.°
Mr, Secretary PEEl4rehe not aware shit any blame
should •be cast• on the• Hee. Member IMe. 'rentryson)
for the delay that hadtakerrplace sobs ingieg the ide ..
I sure before the House. That lion. Member-ccield not
coottoul the cireueistancevof eh* Session ; they were
' most peculiar, and should not serve for a precedent.
He (Mr. Peel) could testify to the Hon. Gentleman'.
*gaiety to bring forward she subject in Marcher 'Fe.
Weary, and that it was postponed only from the torsi
viction that, during the debates"ea the settletaseetof the
Catholic question, this nnuor subject would. receive tie
attention. ,Tp thit proposal of issuing I wife weal et&
stades would Arise, supposing she-itstentioss* -the
House to be the institution of an ipquiry, whi,* evert
to transfer the franchise of East Redbird either to the
adjacent hundred, or to the great tewfmt Biresiegkaal
or Manchester. What were the facts if .the ea*? A
petition was presented against the validity et die eke.
tin, charging the electors with betting; In bpi,' sad
twirruption. The election was set .aside.by Cho Com+
- •,. et briber t

trainee on the proof of treating. The charge,
and corruption were lot said so be • -
Mr. BROUGHAM withed to kisser** dlfferento
Muses bribery and corruption. -• ' •
Mr. Secretary PEEL ramealkered Okra Wet re
4i ion drpwr4 is the preamble of do ikfl; bows*.

bribery and corruption. The attention of the Houle
was called to the general state of the franchise in,rbat•
bori•ugh. by the Report of the Committee. setting forth
the notoriety of the practice., in chat borough, of each •
elector receiving twenty soilless on voting for out
and forty guineas on voting for both the Members.
&port contained amm i Res—oTisticia 'adios on the
• Speaker not to issue any writ of election for the said
borough esitilibe House should have investigated the
state of the franchise as exercised there. The writ did
not hose, and the Hasse confirmed the Speaker's deci-
sion. by resolving dust no writ ought to issue. In that
state of the case it was very difficult fur the House to
devolve on those convicted electors the right of electing
a Member to serve in that House. The case of soother
borough bad been quoted in relation to this; but the
two cafes were not parallel. Ia the case of the borough
of Peaty* the Members bad taken their seat.; it• was
found difficult to unseat them. In the case of East Rev
ford the Members did not take their seats; they were
prevented by the decision of the Committee. The.
question was, whether the representation of the borough
being now vacant. the House ought to send out a writ
for a new election ? Mani difficulties lay in the way
of such a proceeding. He could see no injustice in post•
poning the issuing of the writ. iHe *fished .the House
bad been able to discuss the subject at an @Whir period
of the Session. It the Hon. Member for Bletchingley
• would press his motion. kits probable the Hanourable
Member for Hertford would also follow up his own
motion for throwing the franchise iota the hundred.—
For this latter motion he (Mr. Peel) should vote. as he'
considered there was ample ground .for punishing the
borough of East Retford by depriving it of a share in
the representation.
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Sir C.FORBES had no cOrtnectien with the borosigkk;,
• if the borough was frothy at all it had•been sucKiestly
punished by being unrepresented three Sessions He
..• should supp.irt the motion for issuing a new wit: If
other boroughs were unrepresented so long they would.
have a very thin HOOSO—(Laughter). Let the Repre-
sentatives of such boroughs lay their bands on their,
hearts. and say,how far they were 'not implicated in
practices similar to those charged against East Retford.
He hoped the Honourable Member for Westminster,.
v.ho had so often exposed the cant andlypoceisy of the
defenders of rotten boroughs. would call • the attention
of the House to those boroughs•Whieh were` more guilty
thin this. as they dealt in corruption by wholesale. and
who would not be corrupted if there were no corrup.l
tirs--(Signs of impatience). He hoped the • Honour.'
able. Member would persevere in moving for the writ.,
It was groat injustice to keep the borough anreptepeated
hom Session to Session.
Sir T. ACLAND concurred in the proposal. of pOsi-
poning. the whole question. till next Session. There was
. not time enough to pass a Bill into a law this Session.
Mr. Aldrrman WAITHMAN thought it impassible
to discuss the subject this Session with. advantige.
There was a great difference of opinion est it, and many
• important interests were concerned. He should +rotator
. • trandesring the franchise to Birmingham or Mao Chet.
• ter, The great interests of the trading districts ought not
••• to be ley! unrepresented in that House. He hoped, bow-
• ever, the question would be postponed till next Session.
On die question that die rattles be read, . •.j
• - Mr. TENNYS9N asked Mr. Secretary Peel whether'
the Right Hun. Gentleman mould say that- the Session
• would last to.aperiod sufficient to enable the Bill to
• • piss through Parliament? If it would dot, .then he
should but waste ,the time of the House in proposing the
motion.
Mr. Setretary PEEL said, 'that towards the end of
the Seniors whet panics besides the Government woe-
responsible for
.procuring a sufficient attendance of,
Members. Generally tie had no groom& of judging
than these open to the HonoUrable usher. 'The case
of Peoryn was iiitrodnced into the Louts in 1828. on
• the 18th of Aptil,, and terminated on the 9th May,
malting a space of six weeks; that of Gracnpound came,
on the L' rds in 1821, on the 20th March. and was die-.
posed of on the 24tb May, making nine weeks. For
the rest he could not give any assurance on the part a
the Government at to the Wilgus s f the session. nor was
he preeared to advise his Majesty to prolong the session
for the special purpose of discussing this question.
• • Colonel WOOD thought them was Do chance of cumluding the
• matter that &seism.
Mr. 0. CAVE thought the House had nothing. to do
with what the Lords would do; they ougbi•to act mil
• their own judgment. How was it that they now
hibited such delicaCy on disfranchising a corrupt be.
rough, alter they had soiskently and so rapidly passed,
a Bill of disfrarichismisint against 240.000 forty shilling
freeholders of Ireland, whose only crime was, that they
bid, by the exercise of their franchise, coistribated tis
help tbemGovernment.fo carry 'the Catholic Question?
He hoped the Hon. Mtunlierfor Bletchingley would
persevere in his motion, and strike of East-Retford
from die representalioas
•
Mr.. G. LAM 8, Is Moth* gist Of Petition do Ile oaths siMe •
disllaMed any fateatten of theeiriag the blows of the delay el she.
Ilutiourstile Member for Meteblegiey. He believed that the Will
of the magseity of the these wee is tweeste of et peetreiiiiheut.,el
Alsevestloo thi• Svsalwv. . •• • •
Mr. LI DOM L ammirtvd lathe idea efretriditalifr
Mr. P. THOMSUM thought the Haw wield afIN-
If it refused to *Kett the lacuna this Sesslea, "Me ifityst
esoid.resuk from debiy. He wasted the Hinnuireble Membet
Bleteliegky wield peewee he its Intended nostlon. .
Sir C. FORBES thought the debate • find been*very
dramatically arid successfully. got ulpfund 'that the
parts were very well played by (hi' uotsurable Per..
forams on both sides ot- the iliouseP. e was afraid hi
himself should be thought one of 41,ei performers in the
Parliamentary drima, but be profited tie was not. no
had acted. but not in the dritmattc meaning of too•
word. independently.'wsthout egard for the itit,teSts'
any person, is the House or out .of the House. And,
slow thin the present performance was coming to in end,'
he sopposed that the Houselwould gravely resolve it to
be fit and expedient to postpone any further• perfosarance
till nett gessoes .

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Mr. BROUGHAM protested that he was notate. of
those who played a part in the debate. Just ses I tile
was he liable to. such a charge as the lion. Member (Sir
C. Forbes) himself, though.he had declared he was nut
influenced by ioy regard for the interests of that (point.
ing to she Ministerial) side of the House, or of this (the
Oppositioe) site of the House, or that (pointing to the
, dour; niser side of the. Hone. The Hon. Member had
said that the several parties in the House had been
dealintin asnt of juggleor collupion, and had resolved
to compromise the questioa. by postponing the discus.
sism Oat- blow the Hon. Member would Red, before
the expiratton of t niinneev-litp.the sleek. that he
would be completely 4lecetved in hiseopirmosimyt but,
at the same-tom be taus; add, that it Was notarelibile.
queace of any thing.that fell from the Hon. Mends*
thit the House hod been Wowed to digit the delusion
under which the Hee. Member was Immuring. •fir, at
the eery moomeot.thesldonourable-Meinber had roe to
make soda a swoopirg charge against the whole House,
the N.,a btesdore .for bletchtagley wrugs -competitor
was the Hoe. bitualser for the attention of the Hesse,

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for the purport of giving Slake tbst he t4euid poll.
vas in brinisirig forward leis motif*
Idr.TENdd %WS declared ids Minden se persist in his snidia.
The petidso was tbss kid imilbe phis. •
Mr. TENNYSON, in bringing tovorerd this question
for the third, and be hoped the last. time, had to rviess
his desire that it should be discussed and decided oil its
own wet its id6llll. The 'House was Slwiite" that pinball
circumstances, in no degree connected with the gees.
'ion, bad been wised up with it last Session. AU the
power and initiates of she Government had been di-
rected against it, and no man regretted more than he did
the consequences which had resulted from the discussion
of it at that period, inasmuch as his Majesty had been
deprived of the service► of several Gentlemen, partici'.
lady bit Honourable Friend the Member for Liver-
pool, whose principles with regard to free trade were
now, he was happy to say, to be adopted with great
advantage to the country.—Bet the period was now
arrived when thi:question with regard to East litet:
ford was to be considered as those of Grampound
and Penryn were considered in 1821 and 1827,
during the administration of Lord Liverpool and.
Mr. Canning, namely, merely in a local manner. Under
these circumstances it was that he would renew dell

proposition he had before snide to transfer the elective
franchise which, be bad a right to say, had been forfeited
by the borough of Wit. Retford. to the great counsel.
coil town of Birminglianh. It was under these eircum•
stances that he invited the Right Hon. Gentleman and
the Home to deal in the same manner now by East.
Retford'ai they bad dealt in 18511 by the borough of
Granipeond.when they decided that the franchise should
be ttanbferred to the unrepresented town of Leeds. The
time was not, he thought, fir distant when they would be
compelled curve a representation to those 'ergo cons•
menial towns; and were they to wait until this other
act of justice was fpreed from them. would not suer
delay cause some danger to the Government. which
vinuld be compelled to grant in the end what the
general opinion of the.country was should be extended
now ? He contended that the entire of the agricultural
interest was represented, and he did net see how his
Honourable Friend could call upon them to give a
double representation .to the Landed Interest, while
the Commercial Lucre,' were, to a certain extent, mis.
represented. The transfer which lie proposed agreed
completely with the practice of the Constitution, and
without entering on the more extended question
of farliatuntary Reform. hi thought he might eon..
fidently say that while the Legislature •was occupied.
day after day, in revising and improving the commer.
Ci4l code, those who were most concerned in the ques •
tion should be present by their representatives: The
measure he should propose was in substance the same
which he had proposed last Session, still &dhotis& from
all the information he had since been able to acquiresto
the town of Birmingham. He thought that Bitming-
ham, Sheffield. and Wolverhampton, ought, in the first
instauce, to be represented; and he should therefore
move, that the franchise of East Itetford should be trans•
ferred to Birmingham.
Mr. MARSHALL rose to second the motion. He
thought that it the representation was to be taken from
the town of East Retford, the fairest way in which it
could be disposed of was to extend it to another town.
All most be agreed on the point that the landed into•
rest was *efficiently represented; and if any change was
to take place, that change should be made in favour of
the commercial interest.
The SPEAKER then put the question. that the Bo-
rough of East Bedard should be excluded from the re-
presentation, and that the franchise should be removed
to the town of Birmingham. •
Mr. NICHOLSON CALVERT, in opposing the
'motion, begged (ovate that his Hon. Friend wasin error
if he supposed that he (Mr. C),was opposed to admitting
the great commercial towns r d England to be represented
in Parliament. AU that he wished was, that the rear&
sensation should not be removed from an agricultural l,
county to a commercial town ; and he felt strongly the,
injubtice of such a proceeding. He thew that the peci.l
posal which had been made of giving two Members to
Birmingham could not be complied with, as it would
be an infringement on the Act of Union and that the
only way to have it represented would belt) transfer the
franchise from some of the paltry: boroughs in the
West of England, whose pauper corporations made a
practice of belling themselves. But he did not think
4 w& from such a county as Nottingham it ought to
be taken. He admitted that the borough of East Red-'
-ford bad abused the franchise; but he did not think
that was a reason for depriving so great an agricultural
district of any of its representatives. It was for this
reason that he was anxious to have the franchise trans-
' (erred to the hundred of Bassetlaw.

Mr. WILBRA.HAM supported the motion of hie
Honourable Friend the Member for Bletchingley. The
present system of representation was. he thohgbt, eery'
unequal, inasmuch as the interests of the highest, and
the lowest classes were alone represented, to the tatter
exclusion of the middling orders. He should be sorry
to say any thing (*.maims to the landed interest. as he
was particularly connected with it; but whin he had
the honour of taking hi, seat in.thit House he thought
It eves his duty to throw aside all partial feelings, and
am look solely ti' th gene' al interest of the country. He
*ought that the sentiments of the Honourable Mem-
ber for Hertfordshire were narrow and endued id
in /may to the agricultural interest. lire question
which they west no.. to decide upon was different
from 'that which was bef ve them last session. lt
was, simply, whether the hanchise which had been
forfeited by Ea., gettord was to be removed lo the•
town of Birmingham or to the hundred of Be-setlaw?
The H-use should. therefore. look to the'argttments
by which the different pretensions of those places went
advanced. The right of particular places to send Mem-
bers to Parliament was merely a matter of arrange,'
merit. There could be no doubt that those great ma.
nufacturing towns deter wed to be represented. • It had
been said that they *ere virtually represented, in.imuch
as' the Members of the House of Commons represented
all parts Of the 'Empire; but •it should be recollected
th.t what was considesed thebrightest jewel in the Bri.
fish mown had been lost by acting on this principle, and
they should take care lest, by following it up, they should
lose the support of such an important part of their con-
ststusncy. They should, he thought; persevere in that
pri..ceple which they had always adopted, namely, that
of renovation. He was deciJedly of opinion that there
were thousands in the town of Birmingham who were
gat least as independent a. the freeholders of the hot-
and of Bassetlaw, and he therefore supported the pro-
position of the H inflatable Member fur Bletchingley
(Mr. Tennyson). One of the objections to the proposi-
tion was somewhat singular; the proposition %lb op
posed on the ground that it was 'a measure of parlia•
-•entary reform.•Atter destroying the rights of 200,000
11ers at a blow, and admitting millions to a share
.Atirtion, it appealed rather inconsistent to
4 partition (lathe ground of its being a
Oraw ns; iffie Legislature was cog aged every
sder Ilibaribeisol Ispeallog law s;etrery alteration and
*OA et isiiidradebt be cossidered as • a seams of

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relate. ast yet, *btu a word WI said era refired:is
the ConititOtion of that House, a cry ofilao**Ottiaal was
set.wp.and it was .gid that the attempt wis-ipertertnin
the fundamental principles. of the Constituticin.. The
more he considered the proposition for, givinrabe fran-
chise to the bundrld of Bassetlaw, die mote he de-
plored it._
The Marquis of BLAIsIDFORD spoke as follows t
In tising. Sin to make a few observations won the
cootie i mean to pursue upon the present occasion. I
must express the hope that upon the consideration of a
measure which has been so truly denigrated as involving
the whole question of Parliamentary Reform. the House
will permit me, filet of all, briefly to advert to a decla-
ration which I thought it my duty to make. upon a law
occasion. in favour of an early consideration of that
great question. Unless, therefore. Sir, aemonished by
yea that such a proceeding would be disonkrlr or irse
gular, I shall. with the leave of the House, ploceed as
concisely as I may be able tnefiplain the motives which,
whether founded in reason or then actuated me.
Sir, whatever Honourable Member. may have thcught
who then heard me. that deciaratina, was made in
perfect sincerity. and was extorted from me by my sense
'of the danger which I conceived would threaten Pro
tenant interests it the Bill at that time before the Howe
should pass into a law. Toe danger to which I allude
is not supposed to arise solely from the election of Ca-
tholic Members of Parliament. but also from the seal
'with which the accessible boroughs will be secured by
•the Catholics, in order to strengthen and increase their
power. I eit,tinctly said that I yoke with reference to
daagers apprehended from this quarter, and 1 'thin
thought; and continue to think, that it beunvis dvspe,
cially•tokaard against the possibility of funicasischiefs
of this nature. Sir, this is an opinion which hasitossn
out
,of the altered state of our representation—oot
of the fences and landmarks which heretofore circurn•
scribed the national representation; and. so far am
I from wishing to restrict or to. qualify .my Late de-
claration,. that I repeat it, and I again declare.
thin by some method of Parliamentary Reiorni, care
must be taken to
nprevent the. increase of Popish in-
fluence within these walls through the me dis o t cr.r-
'opt-boroughs, which my oa n feelings tell me we had,
far better at once erase from the political map of the
couatry than leave for the grasp of Papal ambition—
Sir.it was to prevent the growth of the Parliamentary
strength of the Roman Catholic that I declared myself
an advocatefor Parliamentary Reform—a reform which
should place marketable boroughs (for it would be a.
morbid squeamishness to glebe over the existence of
these excrescences upon thi body politic, or, as no mean
authority once characterised them. their deformities
disfigurieg the whole fabric of the Conaitinion) beyond,
the reach of Romeo Catholic wealth.' How this is• m.
be effected, upon a general , plan and 'principle, "is'not:,
• now the question beta the Hase; when it is I shalt
be reeparcd with a clear and strong opinion of its en
pediency, and shall be found the Zealous supporter, the
consistent advocate, of so salutary and'io patriotic a pew.'
pose. As regards, Sir. the present question; although
wholly unfettered by the record of any previous decision
upon it,and perfectly at liberty to pursue thit course beet
suited to my views, I fear I most disappoint those ex.
pectotion which I have reason to believe the Hon.
and Learned Mover of it has conceived With respect
to the acquisition'of my vote in favour of his memoir.
I do not approve. arid cannot support, his planottram.
herring the elective franchise of East Rams/ t r •the
inhabitants of Birmingham. Oa the other hand. so
tborougUy satisfied am I with the strong and inenctio-
vertible evidence by which it has beeh shown that Oil
borough has been guilty of notorious and long coati-.
nue& bribery. that I am free to admit that. according
to all parliamentary practice and precedent, de-
serving of punishment for its deljnquencies; aed I will
even go the length of saying, that I think the anent
that punishment should be a total deprivation of those
privileges which it has evinced itself *se unworthy to
retain. It is impossible for Me, therefore. .to sup-,
port the views of the Honourable Member for
Lyme Regis; neither is the plan of the Honourable.
Member for Hertfordshire without Many objections, to
my mind not the least *among the number being..tba;
it conies before us...though, were the measure good id
this consideration would Dot be suffered to weigh
with me aulficiently to excite my opposition to it.
that it comes before us recommended •by the support
of a Government team whom recent events have- cam?
pelled me wholly to withdraw every degree of confi.
dame. In **absence, therefore, Sir, of any proposal
in the spirit, of that made last year by the Noble Lord;
the Member foe Winchilsee, which I should have
preferred before all the others, 'and • whiteout, mote
explicitly alluding to the clone. why I diaippteve of
the transfer .of this forfeited franchise to Birmingham,]
soSciantly, I think, intelligible by the stispesiticor ee:
messed by are to form a different iniereA,' I Slid diyas/f
so circumstanced as to be enable to support air -one ef
the these measures before the House; . t 'shell
withdraw, contenting myself with .expiessing a bogie'
that the most zealous ref( rmer will be disposed to coo*
sider me as acting sufficieno in the spiri(isf the moat'
!Metal construction he may have given to the words et
my late declaration, if, upon the 'resent occasiOn;l-.4b-'
stain 00111 liming either in favour of the psopositiob for
retaining the franchise in this delinquent borough, or
of that for extending the franchise to the handfed of
Bassetlaw.

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Oiliest WOOD wished to see the represeutaties given to Bit.
uthighpu • . •
Mr. BANYES thought the evidence gives was not sulkiest to
iestify the disfranchisement of the borough ef Hest Retard.. TS•
steams proved against the 'lreton applied absent entirely tea time
previous to hits. It was admitted ea all hands that there were
mow voters 1p Saw iletford who had never committed any offence
*lost the privileges of the, Homes. A'sallicieut SWUM of punish.
nesse tepuld beck* oat to Haw Retfeed by tomtits/ the fteaftlilid
to thersoljoioing hundreds. • • ' • a
rI Lord NOMMANBY wished to am East &thud distmeolikedt,
las it was clearly proved that the Merton of that Wrong* bail Mt
fermi, gives their votes just as they hod been veld for them. with-
mu wpm/4rd to the principles of the candidate. • . •
Mr. BATLEY thought they went tar etuteek In punithinglitt
bontagh in question, by extending the fraachise. • • - s •
' Mr. Flifig UNION thought the (learnt proof of excreptiin Ind
hem made mt. and be should therefore vote for the diairaffutfli•
meat altogether. sod he wished the tereseatitien tranthinithiu
ham rtIDDELL diteested bps the mode bilis
jesty's Ministers in respect of this bereogh. nod ptiti. iM
Media of his Hon. Friend. ti
Mr. LUM LET
dia said, many id the pereene=eif
were dead, sod dem he thought the Hill tli
Dr 1. YORKE was perfecdy satisfied that Oa =111.0=1;
be disfranchised. He thought the fraebbise.ougla
to a melees place, and he would VW fee •• '`v
Mr. Alderman WAlTHMANseppectell itbs
he 2tstibleitee
Was of opinion that populous plias *MU be ' • -
Mr. C. VI TNN did me see any diflMmitY iss same. V4.l'
Borough, in his epleisio, might' to be dielksochfsed,
facts were clearly proved. He supported the liropositiost for
transiwriag she ',rambles to the town a Sinaiogbam, or semi'
ether WU tows for the FrebiNkr was. ihatby so doing, in ip-
y would he afforded et select* a pers ant indepcoddattee'
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Mr. HUSKISSON proteAeciagaiott interiedng
the elective freckles of my place; but what profit. ollOug-inis.l
dosed and efessepeased acts of compd.. was before-the Ifettel,'A
was, fin time thin semethini ebeerl4 be dear is put i'stojr.th
Verdun that theet* wield sotto; he emaraidrae IMdiesisemey
iteforighand mold leave it to others. The Um. Meinber Ins Cods

Cede bad srped the Mat as U the lime wet Minn% dog ilk
deuce. The Howe had already deekleid APIS dm* Admit; It
had found, that is din borough. lengeesetiseni aurreptios gad
prevailed. Of that it had bee seartisted. It had twee timely
peswed,skat wheel a candidate forPorlieutantarY (wooers wen deem-1
and preended hinweit for the aufrages of the inhalikants. hit. tuna
remelt was., that be would do what was just and tight—t4essil ,
'Ert hc would periods copier 411
in. Haue4 was, what is be nreJ:l%-ry it
Mil::
? Ought it to be tirrated 4, Gramposed? He did
Rot ellehrselo a doubt that 'slimes Would attend die eke er
the Mettoarehle %/ember ferAiletehinglky t And he mg* she
Ida his *perm In Terrence to what had bees gig gbhne
the Handfed ot•-Hassetlaw; he would observe, iirdi
amiropmt ..
not for a suoment be put in eonspetithin with
tweed salt le witb.trad4 telsobeares ci, • . 4-11.1 t .
ladne of wagesdnyecially on theme' the nice. of . imairer:„
t• i, sod the charter of the But India Cobigane. Glee eniehmego ;
should possess direst representation. and not Mead. Andilleeggei
for the loyalty of Birmingben. Shelled, Maridentir.Leadalogigi
whole of Lancashire. will be secured by the removal ot ehe few
chile to the populous add trading towers; bebopedthe Ileosa „„di
not fail to act upon tile opportunity at pretest, afforded; ee 4
removing the franchise, &nosier ammo might WI soon atter ugakk
It had been said by a Noble Friend of his, now Stoee (1,0,41 /4,
verpind) the when a majmity of the voters of any tent ewe
found to be corrupt. • general founliliment on all shoed Isg
meal guilt had already been Moved in the ease beide the lise,„
tae punisbnientforit was diettencki.ement, and the only "soh;
which-et:maimed was .where shall the franchise be twittered? Tye.
Hen. Member concluded by deletes hie readinest.to support km
Majesty", Ministers in the meamires Which they might dese, pm,
dent Wiring feigned: ' • -.. •
Mr. Secretary PEEL Load the •mseetites had been so fully de,
bated but Sestet, that it was quite uonewsiary to do ewe the,.
you dl again. and be saw nothing that had since iaterweid le in.
dUce hint to give a ?rote different tram what fie them pee 111.C1411Ing
with a large majority of the noose. U his Right Hoe. 14;„4(mr.
-H %obese') pee AEI preference to &rect. over wit tad repersi,,, ' ,
Boni the tip* qrd. tLeiTd J...lhbvldU:'!eilcdtltwentisiStook
Crute,vilsen•heelykuld hen fieiward the ntiastkie iit 40
Refried. • 'Hie. Elgin Hon. Friend ti Elgin 4,4 !s!
what :dlig mot nought beledig ;sok , . ilkiLtAi-Oldeliii4ll, taesfren ~
ii the volcano was clo.ed in Ireland. was there tie tibia ranee, •
;Seri:need while .Ireland hisl its pour laws. weather the aims .Tall • ',l
peotile would nn be sitsconteated? These comideretions ke4 widow
nititi With the present question. His Eight Hos. Prised bad re.
leered to she lettkment,ot the ,C•theile qoedion by the reseal Ad. .1
• sainistratfoo, by which it had teen formerly opposed? •- Be rejoiced
that the question was settled; and wises the tioverwitast saw 'b.
necessity. they did nut shrink from the performance ed the"
duty. UM !tight Hoe. Ifeieidalsoadvened to the regeepadthe um
.and pirpuration Act,. Which was Ira opposed and afterwards sip.
ported -by Govetineent. • On thai vocation be thought tie ern
sailing in, the ante boai with his Rt. hi llon. Friend, as they had
built opposed the question ; but there was this great differtete be.
tweenew• repeal at rhe Test and Ca'oporation Acts aid the Mudd
of the franchise of East Betted to Bitininghem—that thew isee
a tarsi majority in favour of the former said Agatha she latter.--
It was the your " frig, when a borough was convicted of or.
replan, to t the franchise th. the neighbouring district, ii,
adhered to his former opinion, that corruption had' beet prows
'against Net Itetford. 'and thelluese was at liberty to transfer the
*frau/dee. lie Hoerr bed already deelded that 'hybrid. ohmil
be punidted, by Wedeln the freeholders of *Bassedaer ere a
sipationet die sight et intibe fee tbir blemish; Mad be We.
fort by his me that resioloduit. ' .- ' r.• . • '
,•••
• ..lead.l: RUSSELL Witt.' be would 'either in. this or the ma
Seesion•htiog to a Bill to bays' the great toren itgritsehteel le gee.
lard*a wilier population.' - , .
..-Mr. BROUOH A al agreed with those Who thought the fah
wake case selliciestlylereed to warrant them in didra
the Borough et gem • Reefed. ~.Thu. questionquestionheipbilla
the Franchise should be transferred to liirtninghim or the He..
'sired of Balsettiw.? . lie felt no digit-Wry in. coming to tie
middling that it should be transferred to' Birmingham. 'lts
Sang plea, advanced of • giving h preponderance to the Laadsd
burred did not deserve a reply. He would ask. did sot the mast.
betiteleg interests require to be represented frit that Neese ? Ile
Hew bad on Ginner occasions divided on similar ;ninepin. The
females of Greenwood Wiftransferred to Leeds. for it engem
se hithat shape to the Hominid -Lends. k similar prise* 'Me
acted on in the cam of -Peoria, for isms divided by a tarp en.
jetty that the (reach's. should be traineriswel from that blies.,
to blanlitontre t. and hi igreadtreldlethit'lltilit MAL talrititier far
Liverpool., that • by giving sae •eleethe innate tfi% NinnOnstery •
Sheffield. Eliniigham. sad, he weild add, Idiotism/14 mesh Old
world bedtime.' 4 : ' . •-:. •
Th./alley was then tienlelgerE'Sitieline.idil while aioute•
'Viers eschnled. we 'indented& that sari dliluss . Mei jisei. TM
first tdi Mi.-Tennyiboktnetlin; mhos theneekben wits—.
I- - •
- , Arm !id 1 Noes leaf Megegirpargelitet *silted.. N.
An adjeuroinent was ikon Meted. and ilive. MONO divided,
• ,;‘,1•• '-: Ayes ed.llittee 1911 I ildijority 112. - • .._
.Ir. N. CALVERT then Mooed, foe leave to being ini am•
-poswedrinerreption is kasi:Jidtionte Alio ihjeet .of *Mak JR
would be to give the hoebeldire et liemensw a right wanes h
that &trough. •• ' : : • • • • .1-.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL stain ;Dived an idissnames. A 1.
Mr. PEEL said. if she Noble LOrd viesdeteneliol armee
in moving ea adjouromeoti it was improsible to amenadwilbMis
at that leg hoar. .. .
Lord 4011 N. RXISSRLL mistlionlaSE sernivires • •

N. CALIMUT elu .arldidrwaat snasiais,tAgas
wake of waking it aphis° .11lasday.
TAe•axMrpsieraet ilea Dar wig* 414918414 sat Os am
adjaarial at flaapTaast Twasvia-WCier.--

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