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the House *as now arrived at that point at which no
further steps should be taken, unless the necessity of
such proceedings were in full proof before them • that
was not the case, he contended, at prebent, the them;
of Parliament could not act, though he did not pro-
fess to be profoundly read in the Constitution, with-
out the concurrent authority of the Crown. What-
ever unavoidable steps they should take must be
called for by the absolute necessity -of the case. He
then took a detailed view of the precedent of 1788,
and argued that an unnecessary and unwholesome
detiation from that precedent had taken place. They
had not sufficient evidence before them to warrant the
proceeding urged by the Noble Earl, and so strongly
did he feel on this point that he should enter his solemn
protest aga nst it. He deemed it the bounden dutrof the
House to take the only method which remained, and
that was to ascertain, by the best possible effdence the
of

Mount to setting, for a time, h e Sovereign aside ?
(A loud cry from hie Oitiitiox Side of 144, ao, no.) The
Noble Earl continued hoe of argument, when
• Lord HOLLAND rose, and said, he could not
silently hear such assumptions. The Noble,Earl had
no right to impute to those Peers who opposed, the
question of adjournment to set aside the Sovereign
from his Throne. For in no mittr sense could he
understand him. Did the N..ble Lord persist Fn such
an iinpatation, he would move to huve his words
taken down.

!Ivy,' OF LORDS, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 44). 1
1 of K iLLA Loa took the oaths and his seat.
1 C., LOW was introduced between Earl Moira and Lord
and took the oaths and Ilk seat. The Noble Lord
:,r.t.tded by the Earl Marshal aad Garter King at Armi.
Ili) MAJESTY'S INDISPOSITION.
;y titer five o'clock, the attendance being re-
full,
CAMDEN (as President of the Conn-
^) wag p,:,ccediilg to lay the Report of the Privy
respecting the examination of the Royal
toucling the indisposition of his Majesty;
~,s n,,,,prved by one or two of their Lord-
L:..: table, that such a proceeding could-
, mcler the present circumstances,. take
yr Iv;lliqui the t,rder of the House. After a few
• Lord Grenville and the Noble• Earl,

The Earl of HARR.OVirBY resumed, and obser-
ved the Noble Lord seemed to wish to visit the sins
of others upon his head ; but he could not regard it
as perfectly fair to take such a bold of language which
fell from him while giving vent to his feeliogs. In
concluding, he observed, that the steps adopted in
this crisis seemed to him the hest calculated to save
the country, and preserve its constitution inviolate.
The Marquis of ABERCORN strenuously main-
tained the doctrines laid down by Earl Harrowby.—
There was nothing in them to justify the charge of
improper or unconstitutirmale there was nothing it
-them kit What might'be consi:lered as merely vetbali
and it could not be denied that the Sovereign was.put.
aside as lopg as the Regent exercised the Royal au-i
thority. '
Lord HOLLAND contended, on the other hand, j
that if such an use was to be made of the King's name
in the debates of that House, there would be an end I
to all freedom of discussion. With regard to the ques-
tion now before their Lordships, he did not believe)
that there coald have been one man capable of ad-
vancing
t'.e doctrine that proposed a further suspen.
pension of the Eicecutive eewer for fourteen days.—
He
did not believe, at least, that any of his colleagues •
would have stood up, and ventured to support so
strange a proposition. In defence of it, he was sure
they had not adduced a single argument. In support
of it they pretended, indeed, to bring forward some
facts, but when what they chose to call facts, were
duly examined, they would be found to be mere spe-
culations. The only fact necessary to be proved was
that of the King's incapacity ; and after the lapse of
another fourteen days, what more were they likely to
attempt to prove than that his Majesty was still in-
competent to the exercise. df the Royal functions. In
the interim, to what difficulties and dangers, espe-
cially at a moment already so big with every species
of embarrassment, were they not likely to expose the
country ? This was matter for their Lordships most
serious considera;ion.
The Earl of WESTMORELAIstD could not but
consider the present qdestion as one of, the moss im-
portant that had ever oecurred. He wished he could
have heard it discussed With that temper and farness
which a point of such delicacy and importance must
so aaturelly have called for. Nothing, howler, was;
heard but accusations against his Majesty's Minister*
of repeated adiournmenes, and ,uaneeessary. delays.
—Had Ministers, however, been anxious to protract
or defer the discussion of the question, might they
not have adjourned at once to this day, agreeably
to the manifestation of his Majesty's pleasure,
t iken to that. effect, and of the Order in Council
a made out for further adjournment to the 29th in-
' stant-1 This line of the conduct they had adopted,
not from any wish to retain their places ' • on the con-
' trary, they boldly met Parliament, and betrayed nol
other anxiety than that their conduct Might be guided
'-hy the wisdom and the judgment of the great Council
of the Nation. If their 'Lordships then granted that
time an adjournment of fourteen' days upon what
grounds viTs a similar adjournment Ow to be op-
posed ? in what situation were heir Lordships
placed ? . The Physicians attending his Majesty have
been examined, and theT are unanimously of-opinion
that stronger hopes may yet he entertained of his
Majeity's iccovery. Did the Report of the Physi-
cians in 1788 state such confident expectations ? No ;
the Physicians had dam but little or no expectations
of the King's recovery, and his Majesty had then been
ill more than six weeks. A proceeding should there-
fore not be instituted exactly on the grounds of the
proceedings in 1788. Besidesewere we to forfeit the
many blessings of his Majesty's reign ; the many be-
nefits conferred on the country for the long period of
fifty years ? This was a feeling with which the people
of . England were strongly impressed. He did not,
however, mean to reit the merits of the question on
the emotions of gratitude and affection for the So-
vereign ; he was willing and disposed to argue it on
the ground of political expediency and national utility.
It was not how long, how many hiaurs, how many mi-
nutes, the throne was vacant that should be inquired,
but what was it which a sound discretion should incline
us to adopt. In 1788, the discussions which took
place branched into various views. Some supposed the
Regency to devolve of right on the Heir Apparent ;
others contended that the right of disposing.of it 'be-
longed exclusively to the two Houses of Parliament.
There was now no necksity of entering into those
points. But to use a proper discretion in filling up
the' vacancy of the Royal Power, when the necessity
of such a proceeding should be clearly ascertained.
Lord DARNLEY was strongly against a further
adjournment of fourteen days. Were such men as
those who composed thepresent administration to con-
tinue in the full exercise of the royal authority for a
fortnight loreer, when the country was involved In
every sort of 'danger, difficulty, and embarrassment ?
It was establishing a most dangerous precedent and
example. It was trying a most perilous and hazard-
ous experiment to continue so long the suspension of
the royal authority. impressed with such a view of
the case, he could never bring himself to acquiesce in
the motion of adjournment:
Lord G RENVILLE had listened with equal at-
tention and anxiety to the debate, but had not heard
a single argument adduced to justify the conduct of
Ministers, or the manner in *which it was proposed
thus to turn their Lordships hick upon. the King
and country. When their Lordships' last Met, it was
his unfeigned and ardent with dirt such savors

t of order, a motion to that effect was
case would admit of, the degree of necessity that actu-
existed for the further proceedings of Parliament,
nie, ;,....,1 the Report ordered to be laid on the table allywithont the concurrence of the Roal Authority
xorciiiTi,!. . The steps adopted in 1788, shpuld-beihe present rule
It was toen or..ered to be read, on the motion o 6 p
e: Eel of LIVERPOOL. which was'accordinglw la their. conduct, and an.ixeminatittnThf the Royal
of the as to the malady with which the Sove-
i by the Rcidine-Clerk. —Vide crew Report
reign wes efilicted,'should take ala'ele • svith as little
Pr • ,:ho_zs of the House of Commons.)
lii' C.ork having finished tile reading of the Report, further 'delay as possible: The 111%1e Secretary
The Karl i.i. LIVERPOOL called the serious at-
te' ;)i their Lordships to the most important do-
moot whicli had been just read. On the face of founded his motion upon these three points, which he
li
asserted arose out of the Examination. In Ms first
, point; that of the Regal incapacity, he unfortunately
'had to agree with him ; but as to the remaining
eximiination, he observed, th:ee material facts
:re evil nt, each of which he had to press to the !points, he did not think them sufficiently established
for the }louse to act upon. • The Report before them
insideration of the House.. The first was, that the
. was not sufficient. He wished to put the fact upon
-sereien was, in his present state, incapable of meet-
:the Journals, on which they might justify. any further
r hi:Pal-Lament, or of exercising the Royal func-
-6 The second . proceedings. In the present state of the case, they were
ohs in the tt tnsaction of public business.
imperiously called upon as soon as possible to consider
.as, that 0 e most confident and well-grounded hopes !
of the best means to remedy the detect in the constitu-
tion entertained of his Majesty's recovery and restore- !
. tional system which now unhappily existed : this it was
ton to his former state of health. The third point
seeted the time in which it was probable such re-
their bounden duty to do; theyshoutd consider the pre-
;sent
state and circumstances of the Empire, and the
well would take place. On this head, no specific
greatl dangerwhich more than probably m ust attend its
;me or period was held out ; but it eas certain that a
overnmentof being longerdeprived of a constitutional
rinsic:eralle amendment had taken place. It would ! $
k for the determination of their Lordships what 1 head; they should consider the eventful circumstances
ia which the country was placed, and the importance
arse, under the circumstances of the case, it would
of a regular and efficient Government at such a pe-
sx:nost fitting and proper to pursue. He agreed with
they should not delay a moment in proceeding
iNoble Banat in what he had stated on a former . tiqd ;
;:gbt, that the present question should be regarded to remedy the defects, and under this conviction he
iy .s a choice between difficulties. No man
must oppesethe Noble Lord's motion. The proposed
'
adjournment was net warranted by any thing before
ih! le. mow sensible than himself of the inconve-
the House, and, even by the Noble Lord's admission,
ienc, s :esuiti;:g from a suspension of the personal
tee's? of the royal authority. No man could be was ill founded and useless, as at its expiration he
!i: at the same time to these inconveniences, avowed himself willing to adopt a mode of proceed-
rhich must unavoidably result from the establish-
.:.
ing. which in every point of view:had better be enter-
au of a now authority in the State. From the ed upon without delay. He should therefore move,
!
in the way of amendment to the motion, ~ that a Se-
videice before thene, they had every reason to con-lect Committee be appointed to examine the Physi-
.-.h thet such :reestablishment, were it resolved
chins attending on his Majesty, respecting his Ma-
e L.) be necessary, would be but of temporary ditra-
: jesty's state of-health, and to report the said exami-
itersn ; and their Lordships must all feel the inconve-
nation to the House."
in:s which must unavoidably result from such a
seas.ed'.ee. The: would bear in Mind, that this After a short pause, on the putting of the question
• eeestion of difficulties, and the House on the amendment,
Earl MOIRA observed, that when their Lordships
.. toivador, whethl.er, under all the circumstances, !
tricsid t.e more advisable to proceed -immediately, i last met, he had felt it his duty to second the motion
r sitetht,r, by interposing some degree of further ; made by the Noble Secretary of State for adjeurn-
flay, they would trust to the chance of being able i ment, but he did so on the precise implied condition
ta areid those .iicoe'veniences to which be had allu- that the essential forms of proceedings which the pc-
ht. In his view oi the case, their Lordships should, ; culiar circumstances of that moment appearecho jus-
tenighout the whole of their proceedings, bear itify the want of, would be effectually supplied ; and
ii mind the principle that governed the precedents because, though he coulduot admit that such a course
tf I7PS and 179. There may esist, he achie of proceeding was entirely without danger, he did not
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led, circumq:inces, which tended to vary the state lconsider that the danger was of a magnitude to super-
of thirTs since that period, and :ray render a dare- I sede the• other considerations, immediately pressing
ant application of that principle advisable.--but the lon the minds of their Lordships' considerations,
Principle itself which govet ned their proceeding s should involving all the sympathies of afflicted and pious al-
e the same. In the case which occurred in 1788, fection, and for the indulgence of which some sacri
tinilar proceedings to the present wcre adopted. The lice of convenience might not improperly he yielded.
examinations before the Privy Council were then, as But if the measure even then was not unaccompanied
tow, laid upon the table. Ai adjournment of four days with danger, the danger arising now from the pro-
was then passed, for the purpose of considering ul. posed further prorogation, he considered' pregnant
tenor peoceedings. The next step adopted was, the with serious and alarming danger. With respect to
examination of his Majesty's Physicians by Commit- the report which had been read from the Physicians,
tees of both Houses of Parliament. With respect to Ministers could deduce nothing from it, but ground
this mode of proceeding, howtver, as applicable to. of speculation. They had spoken of three facts, but
the present case, he thought some material differences 'they were speculations merely. , His Lordship could
existed, between the present and the occasion of 1788, not give his vote for the motion or the Noble Secretary,
which, in his judgment, rendered it advisable to in- without forfeiting all title to the confidence and opi-
terpose a farther delay than that of fceir days. .In the nion of the public. Nor could the Ministers them-
healer case, the indisposition of his Majesty had con- selves, even had they all that popularity pf which 1
tinkled considerably longer than in the present instance. they are notoriously destitute; escape' the heavy cen-
In the second place, though at that period strong sure of all men, who were at all conversant with the
hopes were entertained (.1 ultimate recovery, yet it nature and principles of the Constitution. His Lord-
did
not then appear that any amendment had actually ship concluded by saying, that lie should cordially sup-
taken place at the time, and, as far as the evidence Port the proposition of his Noble Friend, Earl Spencer.
~,c,. ~.-ant, this was apparent. The Report of the 4. Lord HARROWBY contended that Ministers had
o:vie..nce this day decidedly stated the onion of all unjustly been accused of departing from the wisdom
:!.c Plae,icians to be, that a considerable amendment of the precedents which had been afforded for their
;tad actuaily taken place. A third consideration conduct in the acts of 1788. He denied that his Ma-
Was, that at the former period, the had not the jest Y's servants in acting as they had done were as.
advantage of judging what would be the termini- isuming any undue powers. If the dangers froth the
lion of his Majesty's indisposition, by any analogy i suspension of the royal functions were great, those
.rom'what took place on a previeus occasion, and daegert had occurred before, and were guarded
which advantage, in point of experience, the Physi- against by measures similar to those which had now
Mans have an: the present occasion. Upon the censi- been taken. A suspension of the royal functions was
detation of all these circumstances, he felt it would I not a dissolution, and under such a temporary suspen-
ic desirable to move an adjournment for a longer pe-Ision the affairs of government might go on without
rigs than was propene& in the case of 1788. This he injury for a certain tittle. The motion of his Noble
:cued it his duty to propose the House to do at` . Friend was meant to afford the most satlefactory in-
rrie,rise v:itli an understanding, that ifat the expiration formation to their Lordships and to the country,.and
1 the interval he should now propose. trim should iin the well founded hope, that there may be no neces-
znt be such a favourable change as to induce the hope sity for setting Aside the monarchy—(Here thsre was
of a speedy restoration of the personal exercise of the ; a loud try of Order! Ortkr !)
Royal functions, he should sleein it his further duty j Lord GRENVILLE here rose to speak to order.
to move for an Examination of the Royal Physicians, I The Noble Earl had no right to use such language.
as adopted in the case or 1784. This he trusted, ;hey ; nor assume such inference, it Was impossible that any
swtaeoid, upon a due consideration of all the circum• ; Noble Lord .in.that House could propose a measure
Stances of the case, rerrard it as their truest public lending to set aside the legitimate Sovereign of the
y to concur
Jut in. Hee would therefore beg leave:to country. Under such an assumption, on the part of
yn6ve, " That ibis House do; at its yising, adjourn to any Noble Lord, he could not sit silent. Did he live
Thursday, the 13th day of December." • to.hear itch words used in that House, as that any de-
On the (inetion being put— sign was entertained to set aside their lawful Monarch!
. .
E r SPENCER rose, and at some length delivered The Earl of HARROWBY explained that the
his sentiments on the question before their Lordships Noble Baton did riot seem to understand his meaning;
After briefly touching but he could not avoid asking Was not such a measues
upon the proceedings. which
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the House *as now arrived at that point at which no • th, ly to tnet Ault
further steps should be taken, unless the necessity of (Aloe. crisis, se.
''EMBER 40. such proceedings were in full proof before them; that Noble Ea. Ministers
• seat. was not the case, he contended, at present, the Houses * Lord HO').. V. DOW ft
-a and Lord of Parliament could not act, though he did not pro- silently hear men bin it wa
bee Lord fess to be profoundly read in the Constitution; with- no right to impute L. 'rap the IL
MS.
out the conctirrer.t authority of the Crown. What- question of adjournmen. 'I, that n
,_ ever unavoidable steps they should take must be from his Throne. For in ns ', at the ,
called for by the absolute necessity of the case. He understand him. Did the N.,bk. mlibilr P
"en took a detailed view of the precedent of 1788, an' imputation, he would move to Ictions, lt,
' argued that an unnecessary and unwholesome taken down. nseens et
'on from that precedent had taken place. They The Earl of HARR.OVirBY resumed,
8. ', adopt
sufficient evidence before them to warrant the ved the Noble Lord seemed to with to visit tit, newels
urged by the Noble Earl, and so strongly of others upon his head ; but he could not regard . lion&
this point that he should enter his solemn as perfectly fair to take such a hold of language which I • 'sty t
•-. Hedeerned it tliebounden dutrof the fell from him while giving vent to his feelings. In ;'No, ',S.
only method which remained, and concluding, he observed, that the steps adopted in I duals, 1. re
by the best possible evidence the this crisis seemed to him the hest calculated to save I and the Cot.
.! degree of necessitY that actu- the country, and preserve its constitution inviolate. I and to assume ..
- proceedings of Parliament, The Marquis of ABE RCORN strenuokLly main-! ships, but the pet.
'f the Royal Authority twined the doctrines laid down by Earl Harrowhy.— ! King himself. His 1.,
luldbe the present rule i There was nothing in them to justify the charge of! distinction bitween the cu.
-add; of the Royal ' improper or unconstitutinnal'• there was nothing it iof Parliament in the years 1-r,
which the Sove- -them kit What might'be con.icicred as merely vetbal, 'of the r tealtst—tditstifters. The s.
,
'--1 • with as little and it could not be denied that tteSovereign was.put ! incapacity was' at the former period L.
'4e Secretary aside as lopg as the Regent exercised the Royal au. land acknowledged by the high authon.
which he 1 thority. ' 1 late Lord Camden and. others, as the onk)
Ms first Lord HOLLAND contended, on the other hand, f and proper ground oft which the Parliament ck.
lately that if such an use was to be made of the King's name I proceed. He would not accuse Ministers of at-
'log 1 in the debates of that House, there would be an end 1 fecting reriblirmism, but their conduct had a di-
.l to all freedom of discussion. With regard to the ques- i rect and inevitable tendency to create the most despe-
tion now before their Lordships, he did not believe I rate republicanism. There was no possible case in
',at there coald have been one man capable of ad- which the States could be assembled, no st p that
-ing f-e doctrine that proposed a further suspen. I they could take, unauthorised by the regal sanction,
lof the Eicecutive 1...,wer for fourteen days.-1 unless the necessity of the ease were clearly made outs
of believe, at least, that any of his colleagues ! and recorded in the Journals ; and without such dc-
stood up, and ventured to support so dared necessity, all acts of such Assembly WAS usur-
losition. In defence of it, he was sure potion. His Lordship rep'a:ed, ti. at the manner in
arced a single argument. In support which the 'House had been led to agree to the last
1, indeed, to bring forward some adjournment, Was surreptitious ; and concluded by
• they chose to call facts, were , giving his d'cided negative to the motion of the
ould be found to be mere spe- 1 Noble Secretary.
necessary to be proved was I The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolsack.
t ; and after the lapse of i His Lordship said it was impossible for him to enter
'ore were they likely to in a comparison •of the measures adopted in former
Majesty was still in. years, when he was called on to cn'hsider the situation
yid functions. In of the country, under a calamity which he felt se-
' dangers,'espe- verely, in consequence of his official situation.—
every species Tolook forward in eapectation of a favourable change
expose the was the best consolation, his Lordship flit, for
'us most the diaretion with which he had acted. The Noble
Baron who had just sat down, had, in his Lordship%
but opinion, mistaken what had been said by his Noble
1
Friend. When he mentioned the letters, he men,
coned them for the purpose of' putti..g their Lord-
'•ips in possession of facts, and if he had done
og in putting the Great Seal to Letters Pettit,
mentioned because their Lordships ought to
s!.n that he had done wrong. His Lordship
4 to the law with respect to the Executive
Monarch. Hi'coulsl not deny that the
Ne country was hereditary ; that be
" infancy, and that nothing could
At what the law had given him.
-y in which it was notorious,
'ouse could act in his legis-
-ottsent of the King
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with the Head of the
"wired. nate who
;se of their duty il
9 the precedents
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might be proposed as were likely to Meet with that
unanimity which, at the present crisis, WAS so pecu-
liarly desirable. A. that time, if Minitters had pur-
posed to pursue the steps they were now taking, it
would hare become them to say so; but it was mani-
festly their inteetion to deceive and entrap the House.
The Noble Secretary of .State had said, that if the
state of his Majesty's health should still, at the pe-
riod ofathe proposed adjournment, nnhailpily pre-
vent hitn from the exercise of his regal fuoctions, he
should .be ready to propose some specific means of
proceedin:t. But why not at once, and now, adopt
the essential and only means of taking any measnrege
by agreeing to ascett.iin, in a legal and constitutional`
way, before their-Lordships, his Majesty's incapacity
•No, his Majesty's Ministers, eleven or twelve indivi-
duals, presume to set themselves above this Hones
and the Constitution, to dictate *hat it oiight to do,
and to assume not only the guidance of their Lord-
ships, but the peculiar and exclusive care of the
King himself. His Lordship pointed out a material
distinction bitween the ecintluct of Government and
of Parliament in the years 1768 and 1789. and that
of the Trtexent-tdheititers. The facteaLtlito-Kinar's
incapacity seta' at the former period 'distinctly stated
and acknowledged by the high authorities of the
Lite Lord Camden and. others, as the only legal
and proper ground oft which the Parliament could
proceed. He would not accuse Ministers of af-
fecting republicinism, but their conduct had a di-
rect and inevitable tendency to create the most despe-
rate republicanism. There WAS no possible case in
which the States could be assembled, no steep that
they could take, unauthorised by the regal sanction,
unless the necessity of the ease were clearly made out.
and recorded in the Journals ; and without such de-
clared necessity, all acts of such Assembly VAS usur-
pation. His Loidship rep'a:ed, ti.at the manner in
which the 'House had been led to agree to the last
adjournment, was surreptitious ; and concluded by
*hying his dtcided negative to the motion of the
Noble Secretary.
The LOR D CHANCELLOR left the Woolsack.'
His Lordship said it was impossible for him to enter
in a comparison •of the measures adopted in former
years, when he was called on to cn'hsider the situation
of the country, under a calamity which he felt se-
verely, in consequence of his official situation.—
Tolook forward in expectation of a favourable change
was the best consolation, his Lordship fit, for
the diAretion with which he had acted. The Noble
Baron who had just sat down, had, in his Lordship%
opinion, mistaken what had been said by his Noble
Friend. When he mentioned the letters, he men,
tioned them for the purpose of putti..g their Lord-
ships in possession of facts, and if he had done
wrong in putting the Great Seal to Letters Patna,
it was mentioned because their Lordships ought to
have knottn that he had done wrong. His Lordship
then alluded in the law with respect to the Encodes
Passer of the Monarch. Hi -could not deny that the
Monarchy of the country was hereditary ; that be
WAS King even in infancy, and that nothing could
take from the Monarch what the law had given him.
They lived in a country in which it was notorious,
that no subject of that House could act in his legis-
lative cap:city without the consent of the King, with,
out that poltical agreement with the Head of the
Constitution, which the law required. Thtihe who
were not acquainted with the exercise of their duty
a case like the present, ought to refer to the precedents
of Parliament, which hasi been constituwd to guide
the subjects of the realm. With respect to the exercise
of Royal Authority during the suspension of it in the
Sovereign, the Ministers were to submit the question to
the discretion of Parliament, acting in sound mind for
the benefit of the country; and his Lordship observed,
" I never' will turn my hack on my Sovereign and
Country. Goo forbid that the Privy Council should
by any act declare the King incapable—they have no
such power."—They bad to•consider In theory, whe-
ther the King by law, which gave him capability, was
capable of acting up to that point which the Cons&
tution had distinguished. His Lordship then entered
into a vindication of the measures adopted by Go'
vetnment, and contended that the proceedings in 1788
were analogous to the present. That the object id
that instance was delay, in order to provide foe the •
safety of the country with the greatest precaution ;
and it was the same policy which prevailed with Mi-
nisters on the present occasion.
Lord ERSKINIL—" My Lords, we are here sesdnbiett to
comities what our duty f., and to give the best counsel we an;
but it -appears to some, that dims differences now among ashore
little to do with oar present concerns. I revere die meredness
of ear Constitution, which tells as the K./Rs /seen. tow Though
his body be consigned to the dust; yet the Throne Is MK mist
Majesty keeps up its vigour, its energy, and *worms" Yet yod
forbear allowing--you pour forth all Tour eloquence, Nelms this
noble thought of ever-during Royalty !—you wish to enemies a
jorisdiction you have no tight to t!O! The Privy Cpnocil and
Physicians most decide, Whether the Ring be a king or not?—
While you are satisfied the King is biespable of using the powers
of royalty, you can have no right to sit here. You wish to adjeorn
for a fortnight ! yet, can you pledge yourself the King will be bet-
ter, did we allow that adjournment ? But, my Noble Lord on the
Woolsack, allow Me to adt you, Do you see any alteration in the
King's health yourself ? Yob Cainot answer me and yet yew
are afraid of deicing him by our resolutions to a reloptis. b was
proposed by my Noble Friend, that' sQ Monday mat tbe Physb
clam should be called before us for minimills. We would
then find out the true state of his bealths.and know how mace.
Should their report be unfavourable, It wield then bed to the
States to fill the Royal *Bee ; till then wrists,* no riot to act,
or to do any thing. You scarcely cannot think the Ernes &Mho&
thy casts, when his capacity is gonr."
Lord S EANHOPE said, the Noble I.Ord had told th'ef't the
King was incapable—he never doubted it; but is the evidence of
the Phteislans any evidence at ail ? The nation is looking Dud and
we are examining Physicians! What ism Ice Ministry dons
against invasion t ShuOki k happen, what are then our Barb.
Mates t Will not our tyadestuen rained and lose, hold aim to
our eyes; andshould we not become the mutt spl.:ndid Marva'
hi the country ?
be Marquis of •LAN'SDOWNE, animadverted on the aerie-
meat of tbe. Lord Chancellor, and said. it was proposed to mate
them commit the crime of abeothening the century. witik the
Executive GovernMent was totallyluspenda
The Doke of SUSSEX hoped for ht. Royal' Pattier's somitery,
and expressed his intention to support the moths.
.Tbe Question was then put .irom the Win/hacks wbsS the
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gottsE OF LORDS, THURSDAY,
Hlni) of KtLI.A
was . LOt took the oaths a
oft edbetween E
• in and took the satin and lib; seat
„,:r,cue.tletl' by •be Earl Marshal aad Garte
j MAJESTY'S INDISPOSITI
',n. ;y• after five o'clock, the atte:
full,
oal of CAMDEN (as Presic
- wag p,.-,ceediUg to lay the Repo
:ottnci`„ respecting the examinatiot
, • toucling the indispositior
~,s i:..c.orved by one or • tw(
i.-t• table, that such a p
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tinder the present cif(
w;1•191li • order of the Hous
.1i
,:11 Lord Grenville and
-6 to th :nt of order, a motion tt
the Report ordered to be
scordiog..
It was t:ien 0r...4-ed to- be read, or
E 4-1 of LIVERPOOL. which
Lv the Rcading-Clerk.-7( Vick I
pr of :1w House of Commons.)
C.erk having finished the readi
The Rail et. LIVERPOOL can
of thee Lordships to the mu
moot which had been just read.
e extlatination, he observed, the 2
ere rvi.k nt, each of which he had
,asideration of the House.. The f
;vco was, in his present state, it
- his Pal- or of exercising
orts in the ta:tnsaction Of public bust
as, that 0 e most confident and wet
re entertained of his Majesty's ma
on to his former state of health.
potted the time in which it was
very would take place. On this
e or period was held out ; but it I
risi6eralle amendment had taken
k for the determination of their
csrse, under the circumstances of t
atmost Ruing and proper to pursue
:Noble Bunn in what he had st
that the present question she
.•s a choice between diffic
mow sensible than himsel
ienc: e,a,iti;:g from a suspensim
of the royal authority. Ts
sip at the same time to thet
!rich must unavoidably result frc
-.au cif a new authority in the
.ide:lce before then, they had evi
'Loie that such an,establishment,
a to be necessary, would be but
. on ; .Ind their Lordships must al
lentr.:s which must unavoidably re.
Tile,. would bear is
its raid otiestien of difficulties
ir,f;•! :oinacit-c, whether, under all c
stivet,id t.e more advisable to pros
r %A:l:ether, by interposing some
flay, they would trust to the clot:
ta areid those ,iceti'veniences to of
del. In his view of the case, their
frengliout the whole of their
is mind the, principle that govern
tf 17Ps and mO. There may
circumq:nrces, which tended
of thicTs since that period, and r
tent application of that principle a
Principle itself which govei ned their
Le the same. In the- case which
tiaihtr proceedings to the present
examinations before the Privy Cot
tow, laid upon the table. At adjout
was then passed, for the purpose
tenor ptoceedings. The next ste]
examination of his Majesty's Phys
tees of both Houses of Parliament
thiemode of proceeding, howtvei
the present case, he thought some
existed, between the present and tf.
which, in his judgment, renderei
terpose a farther delay than that o
former case, the indisposition of hi
tinned considerably longer than in t
In the second place, though at 1
hopes were entertained (f ultima:
did not then appear that any amen
taken place at the time, and, as
this Was apparent. '.
this day decidedly stated
11;r,icians to he, that a consie
'tad actuaily taken place. A
was, that at the former period,
advantage of judging what won'
tion of his Majesty's inclispositio
from'whit took place on a prev
which advantage, in point of ex}
*teas have on the present occasion
dilation of all these circumst.anc
he desirable,to move an adjournn
find than was propene& in the cal
detinett it his duty to propose t
pre,ctlt, with an understanding, tit
of tl.e interval he should now pr
zof be such a favourable change
of a speed), restoration of the per:
Royal finicti,-ns, he should area
to move for an Examination of d
as adopted in the case or
would, upon a due consideration
stances of the case, regard it at
deity to concur in. He would ti
move, " That this House do; at
Thursday, the 13th day or Dece
On the question being put—
, Earl SPENCER rose, and at s
I his sentiments on the question be
After briefly touching upon the
*ere hitherto) adoptedrhe e=re
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