Star.
London, England, 1817-01-30 00:00:00

MIMEO= Off THE HOUSE.

Mr. W. W YNNE then rose to call the attention
of die House to a certain distinction assumed by the
Lords in the conference which took place yesterday
in the Painted Chamber. It had on all former occa-
sions been usual fur the Lords at a conle-ence to sit
covered on one side of the table, and the Commons
to stand uncovered on the other ; this distinction had
always been freely given to the Lords; but at the
conference yesterda, a different system had been
adopted—the table was removed—the seats of the
Lords were elevated a step and the Commons mere
kept outside the bar. He had felt it his duty to
take the earliest opportunity of taking notice of that
circumstance.

Tile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
had also renuilied the deviation from the usual Cu..
ton, but was inclined to think it arose from acciden-
tal causes ; he was of opinion it would be as well to
allow the matter to rest as it at present was, and he
had no doubt but they would find things in the usual
state in the nest conference.
The SPEAKER thought the subj..ct had been
properly noticed, and if it was accidental, it would
at least be proper to call the attention of the Lords
to the accident. The Painted Chamber was the pro-
perty of the Lords; the conferences were always held
there ; and it would not be improper to send a mes-
sage to their Lordships, requesting that the same
accommodation might in future be afforded to the
Commons at conferences as bad been usual on for-
mer ucc.isions.

After some further observations from Mr. W.
Sretru. and Mr.Wirenz, the latter Gentleman submit-
ted A /notion founded onthis suggestion.—Agreedto.
'4ll.oJOUllbii/ DUIATZ ON Vie ADDIUM
The Order of the Day for resuming thi debate °al
the Address having been read,
Mr. CUR WEN rose.—.lt was with much regret
that he forced himself upon the attention of the House,
but he felt it to be his duty to declare his sentiment.
lon such an occasion. He would' have been ilk ;
iluppy it it had beetrin his power to have concurreu
in the Address which hid been last night moved

because, at such a dow, he would by alhoeausbeeid
adding any embarrassments to the situation of extreme
difficulty in which his Majesty's Ministers were al-
ready placed; but the duty which he felt himself
called upon to discharge compelled him to make some
remarks upon the Speech which had been yesterday
delivered from the Throne. In submitting View to
the House, he would not he supposed to mean any
thing like disrespect, if he considered it as the speech
of his Majesty's Ministers. What had been the con-
duct of these Ministers during the last Session r.f Par-
liament ? They began with professions of economy
and retrenchment ; but did they act up to these pro-
fessions? On the contrary, they had not adopted one
single measure of economy but those which had been
forced upon them by the House. With respect to
taxation, it most be the wish of every Member of the
House to maintain inviolate the public credit; and
there were therefore many burdens which could not
be immediately removed. But then, it *AS their
duty to remove all those which the maintenance of
public credit did not absolutely require; and in the
present situation of the country, the utmost which the
House could do must fall short of complete relief.—
Yet it was necessary to look their situation in the face.
Not that it was necessary to take a desponding view
of it. But that was certainly the most desponding
course, which would prevent us from looking to our
real situation. Was there any man in the country
who found consolation in that part of the Speech
which stated that no new tax would be necessary-?'
Yet the Noble Mover and the Seconder of the Ad-
dress wished us to derive much consolation from that
passage. Last year Ministers, if they had been al-
lowed, would have imposed the Income Tax, and it
they had imposed it, he could prove to the House
that it would not have been possible to collect it.
l'axation was at suck a pitch at present, that it would
be impossible to collect another shilling beyond what
was now levied —(Hear, hear, hear, frost she Oispositioa.)
Already there had been a great deficiency in the re-
venue, and there was a prospect that it would be still
greater. It was not enough that no new tax should
be imposed ; it was not possible to continue the pre-
sent burdens. '•Phis was no time to talk of expe-
dients. There could be no teMporary expedient de.
vibes] which would not leave us in a worse situation
than we were in already. It would not now du to
act upon the notion that " sufficient for die day is
tie evil there.it." It was not such sentiments that
would save us. Although he concurred with the
Mover and Seconder of the Address on many of
the topics which they had :a ably treated, yet
upon the whole, he conceived that the view which
they took was calculated to deceive —(Hear. hear.)—
rim deficiency in the revenue was highly al.anling;
but it was nit this which he so much dreaded as the
enormous establishments, with the continuance of
which we were threatened. As to the congratula-
tions on the liberal slbscriptiins for the relief of dis-,
tress, these c..ntributions were merely as a drop of
water in the ocean of feisery. They would not be
enough to pay the labour of the working part of the
community fur six hours. Instead of calling or sane.
tinning meetings to collect subscripii.ins, the Prince
Regent ought to cave called Parliament together.--
(Hear, bear, freest the Ontemiost.) It was ausur;d
say thet the sources of prosperity were net impaired,
at a time when the amount of the decre..se of rents
within the last year was turfy selsaoo,ooo, and
when the revenue of the country was X 15,000000
‘leseersto it was tiro years 'sows. It was not the want•
of exports that was tic cause of our distress, but the'
want of home consumption. He disclaimed any ge- '
neral disposition on his part to oppose his Majesty's
Ministers. The situation of the country was Slid,
AS to extinguish all party feeling. He thought that
pirt of the Speech which mentioned die distils-
:sauces went so tar as to chair: the people ut Eng-
laud s%itli a disposition to tumult, at a moment, too,
"hen the good sense, patience, and font:side of that
people were so eminently displayed. (Hear, hear.)—
It was a calumny to charge the condu..t of an iuf.-
mous Spa-fields .no on the whole people of England.
—(Hsar,hear).—On the proceedings ot that mob the
penple of England looked with execration. At the
same :ime he was aware that there were demagogues
(whom it would be too great an honour to name)
who were at work without the walls of the House.,
ISut he did not apprehend any serious danger from'
their axis. The Constitution mu►t be weak indeed
it it could be overturned by such persons.—(Weer,
hear).—Nevertheless, there was much round for a
moderate and rational Reform, consistent with the
spirit of the Constitution. He concluded with some
observations on the necessity of retrenchment, dis-
, approving, in general terms, of the foreign policy of
Ministers, and declaring his resolution to vote for the
Amendment.

Mr: BAN KES said, that he concurred in the ge-
neral tenor of Me Miress which bad been moved.
It had been objected to the Speech and the Ad-
dress, that they gave a false representation of the state
of the country, and tended to delude the people. It
tit it were realty the case, he contested that he would
find it his duty to disapprove of both in the most de-
cided terms, because it would at all times, but espe-
malty now, be a crime to permit such gross false-
hoods as to the state of the nation. But he thought
that all those Rho had spoken in favour of the amend-
meat and against the Address, had failed in making
out the charge of falsehood and delusion. He did
not think it was always useful to state calatnities in
me heaviest and most desponding terms. The dd..'
Terence between the Address and the Amendment
seemed to be, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Ponsonby) who moved the Amendment, thought we
should assume a desponding tone, while those who
approved of the Address considered it better to state
facts as they really were—(Hear, Agar, heir). The
fault charged itainst his Majesty's Ministers, with
respei.t to the Speech from the rheen.. was, that they
allu wed it to speak too well of the situation of the coun-
try. This was the front of the charge against them.
Now with respect to the passage of the Speech et the
close of the last Session, which had been last night
read by the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pon-
sonhy), it certainly had surprised him (Mr. &lakes)
when be beard it said, at the end of the last Session,
that the Revenue was then in a flourishing state.
But when he saw the papers, he found that this was
not a fiction, buts fact, borne out by the official do-,
cuments. The Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Ponsonby ). in one part of his speech said, that this
was a time which called for the union and exertions
of all.parties i but contrary to this his own doctrine,

he was seeking.for difibrenees, bygoing into theme
trifliagdistinctions. As to that part of the Address
which proposed an inquiry into the income and en-
penditure of Oie nation, the Right Hoi.ourable Gen-
tleman said, No ; he would not have the inquiry con-
fined to the income and expenditure; but would have
a Committee to inquire into the state of the nation.
this seemed really captious. He would wish to know
whether, if the Right Honourable Gentleman bad
known the nature of the Speech before preparing his
amendment, he would really have moved it. Per-
haps, indeed, his motive was merely to ascertain; at
the commencement of the Session, who were likely
to vote for, and who against Ministers—(Hear.)—.
For his own part,. he thought the Amendment the
most trifling wide!) he had ever heard, and therefore
he would vote against it. The inquiry proposed by
the Address had his entire approbation, from a con-
viction of its utility. As to what had been said by
the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last, respect-
ing that part of the Address which related to the re-
cent disturbances, lie thought there was not the
slightest reason to say that it charged any disposition
to tumult upon the whole people of England, who
now, as they ever had done, evinced the most admi-
rable patience and endurance during the time of ca.
lannity and distress. The :agricultural interest had
been most afflictingly and eriev.e.sly oppressed. This
most always be the case at the close of every wars
The same had happened to an excessive degree at
the termination of the American war—to such a de-
gree that it was thought impossible that it could ever
recover. From the way in which the Right Hon.
Gent. (Mr. P.) had talked of the enormous amount
of the Public Debt, one would have thought, from
his manner,that he was announcing a new discovery.
The increase of the Debt had been, not a matter of
option, but of necessity. It was the unavoidable conse-
quence of the war in which we bail been engaged--
As to the expediency of continuiug the war there bad
been a difference et opinion; but the majotity of the
people was certainly of the same opinion with Par-
liament when it was revo:ved to struggle through
with it. But the National Debt, although a calamity,
was not that by whirls the country was now borne
down. During the war. while the public debt was
rapidly increasing, agriculture and commerce were in
a state flourishing beyond all precedent. It was
therefore evident that it was not to our public debt
that our present distresses were to be imputed. The
first cause of our distress was the discontinuance of
that monopoly of commerce which we had during
the war. AnOther cause was the want of that prodi-
gious employraent of labour which the war had given
to all classec. It was a mistake to suppoti that taking
off taxes would be a complete relief. What had been
the case last year 1 Taxes to the amount of 17 mil-
lions and a half had been taken off, and yet the peo-
ple were not relieved. Retrenchment anti economy
were the only effectual means of relief, and these were
promised : it was the business of the House to see that
they were practised. It was therefore with great
pleasure that he heard that the establishments for this
year were calculated on a much lower scale than
those for the last. Actuated by these sentiments.
and agreeing that we ought to look our situation fully
in the tact, and not to practise or sanction any delu-
sion, he felt it to he his duty to vote for the Address.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he was impressed with
the same feelings that lead marked the close of
the Honourable Gentleman's speech; but to that
alone he restricted his apprebaron. For n speech
more calculated to delude the people be had never
heard, in the must sanguine day of the most sanguine
Minister; but, corning from a neutral territory, and,
backed too ai.h professions of impartiality, it requited
the antidote to be administered contemporaneously
with the poison. The Honourable Gentleman. had
referred to oar state at the end of the American
war. There was no parallel betwixt the two cases,
and it was a delusion to bold it so out to the country.
As to the Committee alluded to by the Honourable
Gentleman, it would only be a means of delusion, if
it plozeeded in the old way of calling for papers,
and producing a voluminous Report at the end of the
Session, which it would be impossible to discuss. A
Committee calculated to produce a real Reform
should consist, not of men ingenious in defending
abuses, but of uncomptonsidlig characters, and de-
tee mined to remove the grievances of the public. If
such men should be in the Committee, they must
necessarily bear sway, and would not act a delicate,
shifting, advocate.hke part.—(Hear, hear.) • Such a
Committee should also report every morning and even-
ing of the day in which it had co tee to a resolution.
The distress of the agricultural part of the commu-
nity had now extended to all classes, though the
Speech from the Throne had said that commerce and
manufactures were flourishing. But the manufac-
turers of Yorkshire were new in as distressed a state
as the agricultural interest was a year age. One
omission ut the Speech was remarkable—that ittnn-
tained no allusion to the state of our commercial ar.
rangeenents with foreign countries. Amidst all the
success of our asms, no attempts had been made to
turn trade into new channels for the relief of our ma-
nufacturers. Though our arms had been crowned
with victory, and we had been able to impose a dy-
nasty upon a people—(hear, hear)—our influence was
wholly unavailing to procure any alleviation for the
.distress of our manufacturers, by opening new chan-
nels of trade. The present posture of our affairs was
highly favourable for the negotiation of commercial
treaties, which would promote the best interests of the
counttly, bat be was apprehensive that our relations
with foreign States were not, and would not be, regu.
lated by a regard to those interests; however, es the
Nobk Lord who had the management.of thatdepart-
ment was not in his place, he should desist from any
extended observations on the subject, at this tine.
—lt was well known that the policy of those States
which had been renovated by the sacrifices of this
country, was inimical to our trade ;—those who
thought the system.of Bonaparte bad been destroyed
.with his power to enforce, were utterly snistakeo ;
the plan for the exclusion of our goods from the
Continental markets; was of his invention; the expe-
riment and the improvement of it was his; but. with
all his ingenuity, it failed in the purpose for which it
designed. Not so the Sovereigns of Europe ;
they were carrying it into effect with great success.
At the beginning of the peace, the system was reviv-
ed, which had been one of tbeteatest eseitensenu in.
twthhisirwsuuartmp,Eirtettthodic by hounrtteraceza;ropnt:(llls,7ce,begoreAre:aiearliadt raw

rust deal.- bed been said. sexy an Honourable Gen-1
opposite (Mr. Grant) last night on the subject
of our Colonial..possessions, entorcitig the necessity of
t ' ,pig up the military defences and maintaining
different authorities in them, at whatever expense,
with many such like common-places. Now this to
hint was so far from an excuse 'or a large expendi-
ture in the present circumstances rhe.coutitry, that
it ought to he Jilt as art ieducement to give, some of
them up. We bad always been too fond of extend-
ing the.Erniirn. As. the,prace of Amiens we had
obtained Maito—(Arear, Israr)—aye, Malta ; and at
the:conclusioool the present, the logien Islands. and
.-many others , had at various times been seized into
..Our possession, not to itnproverthe.:resources of the
, country, not to add to our atreagth .or to promote
..:the wealth of older Coluoial "miseries.; but all to
tall!. two clatset of nuts, who wete.-to be attend.
•ied •to for some zeissou or othert.thowgh the country
:'deeply ...aired by such measures.— (hear, hear.)—
One st(these tortured oartieaWaS a little body of corn-
' aod 'heather of oulitarj men, wll3 were sup-
' ported contrary to the &arrests of the old plantens
• contrary to the interests of the Ireveni,c, contrary to
the ttue welfare of- the country—(lisar, hear.) If
acquisitionslwere to be 4 con.tant load upon our
shoulders—if they cannot maintain themselves, let
. Parliament at once dictate to the Crown to give them
. tap; the country has iucumbrences enough without
them,. aod as.there was an anxiety on the other side
of ttte water toobtain Colonies, why to t make. some
of, our that were worse than useless to us. the pre-
mium for commercial treaties, which would essen-
tially.proapaste the vital energies and restore-the pros-
jserity of the nation—(Nw, keer.) Let the country
then get rid of these miuhrouns growths, of Dutch
origin, Which were of no value except to Liverpool,
• 'and tome othersischis, and not retain them to the an-
. noyaoce and ruin of the old trader. Much had. been
said on'tbe stibjeCt of the disturbances which had oc.
Cerrtd, and the disposition among the people to itio-
leaCe disorder. The assemblies of the people
hid Wen:represented as having no other object, than
thit of increasing the discontent which a state of ex-
tiente distress naturally engendered; it was yet to
luCdemonstriateeby something better than mere as-
'lemons, that this was the fact, and he hoped the
House would mark with is reprobation, every
a tempt at misrepresentation and delusion —(Mar.)
He Must beallowe'd to express the indignation which
.Weairkcited in his mind. by the tango ige which thyy
lild*.beard applied to public meetings, which declared
_ ttsrthey were held for the purpose-of producing a
ItiVtAllii lie it was a gross slander. upon the feelings
'orthe People and the conduct which. they had main-
titow iii times of unexampled trial arid. difficulty ;
toe did he feel lets astonished and indignant at the
• new doctrine, that the' people do not understaud their
gnivanees; that though they see and feel tie distress '
ffi the most pressing manner, yet it is a saint
moth above' their comprehension.—(Hear, 4ear.)--
Aed riho was it-who outraged common sense and pub-
Ile these. Who was it that told the people that
these questions were above their comprehension I Why
'be very men who told the, people of chartered eights
Ili-17SC appealed to their judgments on the subject.
led who bad since wade them parties in a theological
trostriveny—(Heark Ater) ; who would ;attune them
With the obstruser questions of politics. to serve their
mint reposes, did dander them when they ventured
to think Or to act without their direction.—(How.)
`Bat he trusted the House weld mark this nett doe-
. the maintainers of it with contempt and
lesiffsisiti.m. He was the deciged enemy to every
assof delusion out of doors, and regretted as
and as sincerely as any man in that House
the vtobnices which had taken place. There were,
eiroosiclits opinions afloat, but be believed the people
wets nut affected by them to any considerable ex-
tent. •To ascribe the disturbances to the efforts
.which were making to obtain Parliamentary Reform,
was as unjust, as to assert that tie want of that Re-
hire' was the only source of all the mischiefs with
whith the consul was now afflicted. Many of the
' eaffetings were obviously the result of an enormous
debt, and an amount of taxation, which the country
andel not support ; them were subjects which the
Moose should attend to without delay, and it the
Cemmittee which had been talked of were to act un-
der the instruction which he had suggested, and
=Member would set himself heartily to the wink,
good might be effected.—The Learned Gen.
ileiaas, after apologizing for the length of time which
he had occupied their attention, sat down amid the
dieters of the Movie.
• Mr. CANNING, in rising to address the House,
felt that the present was a most important crisis: he
• was aware with the Learned Gentleman who bad
.jot sat down,. that tube difficulties of the present too-
Meng were great and *tattoos, and it was them
fore that be should tales the liberty of claiming for
Masa nod his colleagues, the right of as strong a
&eligibility to the distresses and penis of the country
at way doe' present. Important were the decisions
of that House at the commencement of the late war,
when the country was threatened with a tremendous
heady abroad, and treason at home ; important
were its &Maims when the reward of a long and
dreadhd eopSist was snatched from their bands, and
they bad to determine, whether their efforts should
be renewed reconqup the security and happiness
of Europe I bet their deliberations were not more
important then than .they are stew.—(Near}...The
state of. the country rendered it their ditty tocariy to
the foot Id the Throne the sincere declarations of boy-
.
shy mid. attachment, and their &Indetermination to
Mind by. the Gown. and maintain its inviolability.—
To him it appeared essential to •the peace of the
COIMIIST that this spirit should be sbewn to pervade
that House ; and, entertaining such sentiments, be
could not but regret that an auempt bad been wale
in predate a theism of opinions. and weaken the
aka of the.** proceedings of the Session. (Neer,
hallo As Abe Gentleepen opposite must know the
vats-c& unaniMiy at the t moment. he rem.
.load ohat,they considered =was something in the
maw which was not Itoldoin speinciple ; for it
WOW adinichli that 4161"101 *Mal ear points of
kt foliffliiedlee hers neither judicious nor well.
tiossiL " ossassy was oow circumstanced. What
riptir bele alwl what were the grounds of shn„'
plop* by the Has. Gentleman eppo.
ail:eh/ea CAsunittee on the State of the
Naito, and he le ;tad that a Committee. *slam*
and Eseseditsue a Who Fermi by his Right*.

mumble Friend ; where was the essential di fame.
hawse& the 'objects et the two Committees I - The
State of the Insane and Expenditure formed the
basis of our condition, and an examination would de-
velnpe the circumstances of the country, in the fullest
manner, and for the mere preference of one Com-
mittee to another, answering the same purpose, the
hazard and danger of a misconceived division is
to be. incurred. (Lear I .eries of Hear, hear, hear.):.-
The Learned Gentleman had made a very uncere-.
monious attack upon h's Honourable Friend (Mr.
Banker) because he did not assume the tone of de-
spondency prescribed by the Gentleman opposite—
, because he would not join them in creating a dis-
onian of sentiment, but honestly acted from the dic-
tates of his own judgment. The House would see
.in this instance how much a spirit of independence
was, valued in a certain quarter. • 'the .Honourable
•Ddember, who sometimes votes with Ministers, and
-sometimes against them, but always 156 his conscience
dictates, is abused itad reviled because he takes the
liberty of dissenting from. their opinions, and is slan
dered with the suspicion of entertaining feelings
which he dare not avow. The Gentlemen oppwite
take upon themselves an exclusive regard for the dis-
tresses of the people ; but he would maintain that he
and his fiieads had as Jeep an impression of their
magnitude, and as strong a desire to afford every
possible relief, as any man could profess to have,
who wished n) establish his popularity on the people's
sympathy.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Gentle-
man who bad opened the debate that evening had
been good enough to say, that if the Government
would take the business of retrenchment and reform
into their own hand's, earnestly and indefatigably, he
would not persist in his opposition to them: but, un-
lortuaately, he was for putting Ministers to too wirers
a test, for the dirt[ asses and the causes which produced
'them could nut be removed within the time to which
he had limited their exertions. He hoped he should
have full credit, for the declaration, that they were
ready to attend to every seggeetioa which was made
with a view to remove the prentiretunder which the
country laboured. and the Learned Gentleman oppo-
site (Mr. Preston) could vouch Ric the truth of this.
Ministers had attended to his information. Ca pro?,
pools, and-to many others, but the difficubies in the
way of every plain of immediate relief were insuper-
able. The Learned Gentleman (Mr. prong' am)
had moderated the opinion of the Honourable Mover
of the Ameadasent, who held that taxation was the
cause of the public sufferings—but, there was a
greater diversity of opinions than theirs—he had read
a pamphlet, very ably written, and Containing a com-
prehensive view of the subject. Mr. P. had stated
thirteen causes of distress, and it so happened that
taxation was only one of theni—many, lie thinks, not
likely to be removed for some time, and he professes
to have foreseen that the distresses would still go on
increasing. is not this a presumption that they could
not be prevented, and that Ministers were not ac-
countable fur their ekstence ? It was their duty cer-
tairtly. and they would gladly perform it, to render
.every effort to reduce the' public burthens, and be
might now state, without. anticipating the debate. to
*lnch the subject would shortly be submitted, that
in the military establishments the reductions will be
carried as tar as is consistent with the publi: safety;
and as to the Colonies, they have their price ; give
them up, and the loss would be known ; but the
country bad. no price, it must not be endangered or
despoiled of any thing which was necessary to
its safety, peace, and happiness--(Hear, hear, hear.)
Ministers were ready to propose their estimates for a
time limited within the Session, so that they might be
revised if expedient before Parliament separated...
(Hear). •••• The Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham)
maintains that the close of the American and the late
war 'are not similar to each other, that there is no
parallel betwe4n them, and why ? because the expen-
ses of that vial required the imposition of a conside-
rable amount of new taxes in the first years of peace,
and thete were no new taxes to be imposed nowt but
it required all the'Learned Gentleman's ingenuity to
intake this a topic of despondency Hear, hear, hear.)
But he would remind the House that in the first year
of the late peace, there was a reduction of one (earth
ut all .the taxes This WAS AO parallel certa)nly—
(fliar,'lrear.)With respect to what had been going
on out of doors, he did not deny that the people as-
sembled to petition at Spa-fields : but Were were also
some who went there with a waggon loaded with am-
munition, and he had yet to learn that such were
the necessary instruments of petition (Heat, hear.)—
The demagogues who inflame the minds of the lower
'orders by their harangues, leave them in a state of
irritation, to go home to their warm and abundant
comforts, alter stimulating rebellion as a duty, and
stigmatising charity as a crime.—(lfese, hear.)—No
man, who was a Mbtian, could withhold his sym-
pathy from the poor matures that were suffering dif.
fiulties and privations, but be thought with an Ho-
nourable Member, who spoke last night, that redact-
due was not an unmixed good, as it would throw
, 'umbers out of employ, thus adding to the numbers
'elf the wretched and tbe destitute. The Learned
Gentleman who had preceded him talked Of oor
Military preponderance as an engine to promote' our
Commercial Interests at the time -when the labi
treaties were aegioistid. He was surprised that he,
a Statesman, and political economist,ahould think of
relaxing during the war, or disregarding in the settle-
meat of a peace, OAS political advantages for the sake
of commercial ones. We had secured Peace, exten-
sively and permanently, which was the parent of
Commerce—(Hear, hear.)—All the questions relating'
to the Colonies bad been previously discussed, and
to have introduced any demands for commercial
advantages, would have produced discontent and
disunion in that mighty confederacy by which the
wonders of our deliverance were achieved.—(ll;ter.)
The Poor Laws were certainly in a state requiring
the serious attention of the Home, and I e hoped that
some mode might be proposed during the pie eat
Senion. to render them less partial And oppressive.—
As ',Parliamentary Reform, Os the Speech did not
touch upon that subject, he would gladly avoid it,
till the question comes regularly betire the Houser
npua the motion of the Honourable Baryon (Sir
Fraacis Burdett). He would then meet his motion,
not with new plans, alterations, or modifications, Inn
he would meet it by a decided denial of the grievance.
(Heuer. hoar.) The indent system of representation
was sufficient for the State, and he denied that any
thing existed in our history to guide them to a better.
[He denied that the theory of making that House,

THE isvLIvING STAIt.

I.ONDUN.

TO-MORROW MORNING AT NINE O'CLOCK. THE
SECOND DAY OF DRAWING COMMENCLi, AND
ALL HE CAPII*ALS MAY BE DRAWN.

THURSDAY, JANUARY SO, 1817.
lEtmo C a's 24/IARTTILDOM.—HoIitIay at the rank,
Eliehaver, and South-Sea Itou.e.

The Address to the Pewit, in answer to the
Speech from the Throne, WAS voted in the House
of Peers last night without a division. In the COM-
moos it was carrisd by a Majority of 152, the num-
bers being 264 to 119. The debates in both Houses
were protracted to a great length. Indeed it was late
before the Commons could resume the discussion ors
the Address► owing to the time required for the de-
livery of Petitions on the subject of the State of the
Country ; some of which gave rise to several inte-
resting observations.
Yesterday after receiving the joint Addre's of
both Houses of Parliament on tie criminal outrage
of the preceding day, the PLuxce Itecesr I eld a
Privy Council, at which it was de croaked that his
Royal Highness, in the name and on the behalf of
his MAJESTY, she'll(' issue the following

" PROCLAMATION.

Owner, P. R.—Whereas on the twenty•eighth day of this
instant month of January, divers persons, dotal:4ly a-sembled
and stationed in different places in the City of Westminster, pro.
cetded to commit certain daring and highly criminal outrages, in
gross viMation of the public peace, toehe actual danger of our
Royal Person, and to the interruption of our yai*age eo aml from
the Parliament: We therefore, in the name and on the beli-At
of his Majesty, sad by and with the advice of his Mjesty'e
Wiwi Council, in pursuance of an Address helm the two Houses
of Parliament, do hereby enjoin all Magistrates, and all other
bis museity, laving Subjects to use their utmost endeavours
net discover and cause to be apprehended the authors, actors,
and abettors concerned in_ such outrages, In ceder that they
may be dealt w hh accor4ing to laws AM we do hereby
peceniee, that any person or persons, ocher than those ac-
may esteemed ha doing any art by which our Royal
Penes was hounediately endangered, who shall give intim.
genies. so as that any of the union, anon, or abettortocon.
coved ljt, suck eatimpes as aforesaid, nay bo apprehended and
brae& set jesdee, shall receive a reward of 034111 N U
POUNDS, to be paid on Conlaitto d( arm such offender ;
/bleb said Sea et On. Tbourand Polack the Lords Comm"'
wooers ef Ms Majesty's Trawsry an hereby required and di—

retied to pay accordingly ; And we do nattier promise, Ls ',I
person or pence, losocerned In sod oli•ragei as atore.4l.l, son
than such as were actually concerned 14 any act It* which *
Royal Person wu immediately endangered, who shall give It
'nation. so a* that any of such author., ac-<m, or ablrt.,,.
afere.a.d. OA be apprehended &TO btooeht to j ie.,
upon Cogiviction of such *fleecier or oP.itat.r., r:ttlte ti. N.,•
)sty's moat grac;i4v. Parton.
44 Giv, nac the Court at Car!ton Hous the I wentr pi,, h
Day 01 ivivary, Our 'l'm 41. t
Stventeen, In the Fif,y..cvrn•h Yelr of ti 4
Reign. " GOD SAVE 'ME KIN

Puntie °M.?, DOW-STREVr —Yeiterday morning
&WI w o In ilight iron! the House of Correctton, Cold tart.-0,,
to tit t above Office, in underg s Ar4e•tr ertni nation, ! y ',r;.
of Mr. Girearn., the l'o!;cc P.l4i.tct..re o 2 Winshio..trre., tie
rasrtiurd Van of er bit appreli••:).:Mi on • rnelday,lll thy Yews.,
ihr room, St. James's Palace.
William Lay cock, a pirate in the First Regiment of In.
Guards, belonging to Cedime trot,, ftatet, that
way stationed oat duty in :I*. lanirs's hark On Toeyeay, at-,1 s s
one of throe who tot t:teti A street in the more Mall. th.o:.; h.rt c
the it hyal Precis-At. toss 'n pa.... When the al
wat returning Irons the ttmse of Linde, front ,h„
tired the Mail, there was a very considerable d
siou armor the mob, which was very great, tr n-t of Ohm L 4
loing and shouting very violently. When the Frioce knew'. (.2:
ruse came up, great number. of then% Wrte 64:41W.1.g It ,11,,a,
wdes groaning, titssii:g, tooth g, and making milt 110,61 ~,,
.—.At the time the state carriage was passing his station,' e a
stone flung insm among the mob, which struck the eia t,t 0,,
door near him (the mac side); it broke the gla.t. At tt e i.te4.-
•nsrant lie saw a tiettleman (Lord James Morr•iy) pert
on Its f tee. At the time the stone was disown it the c.„sts
hr teas,' number al the 11101 making use of the mo t host 4
preasia:ts against the Prince Regent and the sold its .in ,141.
immediately afterwarthi save the prOoner among toe crated:4.s
appeared to be a ring'eader ; the prisoner w:.. welt eto, ,„ tie
dank of his bootie, mut at that instant he Yaw ft.t.: et Let-taws
thrown at the Regent's carriage; the glat. of the stave Carryt
way again broken. Some stones alto situck hint and lot but
e.
Whir he was :wilting in securing the prisoaer, i.r re.dred*
blow front anvtiva -tone.

Mr. Caambers, who apprehended the primer, vret: ki, ter
to be an Officer in the 2:kh Light Dragoons : he wa, not in %,1
region:iv:di, but merely a spectator in the Part; he st..z !tt ty
prison. rnn account of the violence of his con ,!act. ties J
that on the return of the Roy :1 process an thr.!":.;h Sts.:,
the mob were pursuieg it in great numbers, 1.t,:.!‘, huost.i,
and abusing the Prince Regent in the gries4e,; 1,;m,„.4
cading to others to pull him our. So tie of tt r m.,b w.,
had sticks mil stones struck the Life G.:ardamen .i.d fleet
horses, and threw stones at them. When the ih ow, iZr;ert's
carriage was between Marlharough4louse w: ,1, atm kt r.
cached to the lan of liartinginn's house, he saw wtir:at
flynr at It, and there was great repic.tig anew; the
shoutany, hussaing, &c.; numbeis ut vt.kes it-ttf.J out te..,
" Gu it—down with hint." Intelet:ia.elia:ter this da.-.4 sr*.
duct, sevtral Life Guardsmen endeavoured fo dive: it. he la h
toll/twit% the Nate carriage. whal a shower 4,1 *tunol *try
thrown at them. He ob.erve.) the p-nioner,. who WTh• t km; a
leading par: amora tie crone!, stnke one of the Lite Guard,.
men with his um;itelta. prittr.ter WTI particularly .t.t a,
among the min when the tore, Were thrown at tie i.T:t
Utiardamen, making a great noise, and ca:ling to others ot tr.,
mob. .1 he ptisotser appeared to he the pine pal ipolteumt
among the mob, ant) he considered k to be from the ete,,rrs
mem the niub received by hit actions and Ltigual,e th..t i..t
were induced to comittue in proceeding v. 49 thud
It was alter very abuive language froat lilin that a great ,eelet
it stones were thrown by the bat the Lite t:uaitis. L was
uo account of his conduct in this transactionn that he se z... 1 Ann,
and elide ed to force him two the miln.o y street, theopts
Malt for the proces-lun to through, tilt he could de iv.r. in
Into the custody of the police officers, but winch be was mat
to cleat, several of the mob attacked hint, an l ios sied fie in.
sonar in his resistance. During the scuffle, in which the pristt.rt
violently resisted, Mr. Chambars's hothead was cut user 14
right aye._

Hott.ry Bolton, of Bled street, Lambeth, a private wa•chrnas
in Brook. &tort, stated, that he went on to slay into St. lacer .
Park.. He described the general state and conduct of the we,
when the state carriage hail arrived near the entrance to he
Stable-yard, We heard several of the mesh calling ou: to the 1,
Guards, Piccadilly butchers--knock them down.' tie
several stones thrown at them, but who tamw them he oil Loa
know, as she stones came from behind over his head: au
them struck one n 1 the Life Guardsmen ; sevemi oilier dorm
were thrown. He saw the- pristioer attack one of the Last
Guard-men, and strike at Mm or hie horse with his undoclL..
stones which he saw tht owl. appeared to coins irons a i;.r 'n*
distance than where tbeprt.oner was.
Joshua Arntstrong, en t,ifiCir belcnging to Worship-street
Police-office, stated, that lie and his !mower or on they
in St. James's Park, nosier the direction of Mr. G War!, the
&trate, at the time the Royal Procession was goat,: w sisti to
turning trunt the Psrl4amei:t House. He desciibAl ihe visoect
conduct of the niteb: On the return of the Royal Vows:sew,
they fielcwed it from Mar:borough Garilrws wail to the Nr :ha*
yard, ice aded by :brit Maps tire, when they saw the pr Wier
in 11. e c..riu ty of Mr. 1.3...n1irts alit! seveiai of mite Lite•;o id
men. h try look charge at ban. when ell:V14.1 V $
made at a rescue; several of the mob calling nut to others" Doe:
Ice hint go," se.c. and mal.i.g uer to! 'Le wool rn l ..L...d It
langtoce rue .ids the olice,
1 lir yrbontr, fey ytritn,..ion of the Mggistrate., marl :Ls
witntihtv et vrial tisitsti•ws, tent non. of them of any tutpata•tdo
eirept at to Ilk sG 1:1111: the Lt.
which' Le &Omit, as out e- the ol U/r c''ai,tee, anti rdr
calmd the i.ka of leisteea 111411 :01 ail ieeeitl.t.i.l ea.
arn.e l with a word.

J sri It facile: atteuded at thy Offices for the avow.d par, 3se
of spraiting in detente tit the prismer. He stated hosasell to
alishituniger, resttlio2 at No. it:, Red Lion Passaic; tha: he end
to buy ii.ts tsar certa.o pet sow, (.e: which ha had a Co.:plis•lo
and haure hr employed Limon' chits, he was a serram to .d..
MaaCllll, a barrister.
He coetradtcted part of the testimony which 4a l been iireb
He 34111111[W the Mullein and tumultuous state ot t• r clue. He
said Meatuses which hail been thrown at the s;a e carriv.,caire
front a considerable distance, and the piieutier war Lactose to tee
carriage as the soldiers would allow lion w be. He deased
litiowleck,te of the psiomer betore. He said he was p..sitivr its
poisoner did nrt throw a store at I.ayrock.
The prisoner said be was prepared with which MT..; •
lard, the Mazinra•e, bad told hint, .!le eat I ue...,f
•
' eVcllll/y, be welds! talc .
Mr. Uir rase allowed what lie bald to be Cilffee', 'on at : .
duly he had a very bilia:l pertloa of evides.ce :1.1 le It rat. ••• •
he hat: committed twit ou a charge of being concrete-3 '
nut and. itoolt, and a.‘inte.ting !Aycock, the Lae Gua.l.m.r,
but lie had .itsite a d;fferect vlew.of the caw, now the caw no
101k:eller at tarLe was (wrote h!m.
Mr. Haas, addressed :he prisoner at some length, awl tell
him tlizt lie rood charged on susgiciou of a very .ale as
the higiiust that the laws of this cumnry recogaLea, r z. 114:••
TreaNni. A desceip root bad 1/•rit t.ceivelofa tom who
*time m the state carnage, and he eisewered that Jeterirt...ll•
he should be identified at a future eta:Milano:B, he weel.l
trwd tor High Treassiti.—He was

'FEE hat W COINAOIL.—A PrucialliA,lo.a wav yercr(l2l "*.
ti, red to 14,at:ed it-became is,oe of the New 4:e:• a
a Kesious ortitr ihe i cri I fqr excha.iging New ft.t (Pt s's.•
was lied to he front the :t.i to the 17th or !'
these dices have been de:erresi Ise ten Jay*: that Is e
change to Colllllltlltc on t,.e and time el!! the g7tb F.,h•
'Has morning we receiv:u lAA; i iris Papers of ISsediy ar
Monday ; but they contain nothing of titvortaaze. The 11';"
salt c.mtinues confines, to his apartments.
Yesterday a ballot was taken at the East-inlia Plum for*
election of a Ditector, ha 11,e Mein of Mr Twt N 6. •
At a late bout the actutu.ters 41.c.area the elecui.o .o t...ve
on Mr. Luta:nen.
lit ct.n.c.juente of the IA t tty beg's:tiling so ra-17 as Nine o'
To-shuriuva Murning. we UnuirrUand ell t!,e Lottery
will he kept Up, ls Cll 1 welve as.4.loCk 1.1;a1 iyr rtag. Z'n't
Eight 1111 Nine lo•morrow J fuming. The wloge
tale may be drawn To-morrow, as 'tot any are filed 1,1 :t
'1 bird (lasi) Day.—The first pr,ae drawn most Ls,: nweth.o..
Thousand Guineas, and utay bC twesity-nor I

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