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such anteeedings went, to taint the very source of jug.
tile. `Thair preeeerfings bad • the . effect a mixing up
. may spit with the administration of the law; and of
introducing paity Juries, which must necessarily be de-
attractive of justice. It *was not his intention to detain'.
their Lordships by explaining the effects which those
measnres of the Association had upon the country. A
MOM fit opportunity would occur, when they should be
called upon to discuss those measures which his MA*
laity had recommended for the amelioration of Ireland.
Ikons all he (the Duke of Wellington) bad beard and
read of that country for the last few years, he thought
there never was a country which had any claims to
eieilisation involved in so much-anarchy. In the dis
elusion which they had already had; both in this and
other House of Parliament, with regard to the mea-
' be taken for the suppression of the Association,
Noble Lords and Members had expressed their
that .those measures were now unneces.ary, be-
he ulterior measures recommended in hie NI ajeit y
would be found quite sufficient to promote that
tat opinion could only be founded on the su pposi-
the C.ttholic Association held the sentiment and
the language of the great body of the Catholics of
For his own part, he must say that he was
from the numbers from all parts of the count, y
attended that. Association from the speeches
that wei e made, and the manner in which those speeches

ware received (as it seldom happened that the senti-
ments expressed were dissented from by the people)—
' from the measures that were taken for the collection of

the Catholic rent and the organization of the country
from the numbers that were found ready to un-
dertike those measures—he was afraid that thAt suppo-

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po it'on was true, and that the Catholic Association did
speak, the sentiments of the Catholic people of Ireland.
Some N. Lords had attempted to justify in some de-
gree the very extraordinary course which had been pur-
sued; but the only grounds on which that course (mild
be justified was, by admitting that the claims of the
Roman Catholics were founded upon right. He recol.
leered the several discussions which had taken place
iv Parliament on the subject, and he did not know one
single instance in which the Catholic claims had been
ingued on those grounds—they were invariably sup-
ported as measures of expediency, not as a right. 'lf
this was the case then, the Catholics could not be justi.
. fiedio the Gents they had made to establish those claims,
and shemiolence they bad recourse to for the purpose
of having the laws affecting them repealed. Under
these circumstances. their Lordships would admit that
his Majesty's Ministers were fully justified in effecting
this measure before they proceeded to that other
which had been recommended in the Speech. Ada-
.sion bad been -made to a supposed bargain having
been entered into for carrying both these measures. He
could assure-their Lordships that when he had come to
the consideration of the question, and applied his mind
to it with all the energy of which he 'was possessed, his
Conviction was, that it was impossible for either the
Government or Parliament to come to a proper coo-
elusion on the subject of the Catholic Claims without
first putting an end to the Catholic Associati -a. He had
not only miterest into no bargain, but be hid. held no
Conversation with any man. or body of men, on the
subject. The present Bill was introduced as a prelimi-
nary to the other measures—any other course would, in
• pis opinion,be incompatible with the dignity of theCriwn
' and the dignity of Parliament. He also conceived that
this coarse was necessary in order to reconcile m iny good
and worthy men, who were unwilling that the Govein-
' Mem should even have the appearance of yielding to
itiedence. He entreated their Lordships to consiier that
the eyes of ail Europe were upon; them at the present
moment, and they should do nothing which could give
any man grounds to believe that, in the steps they wets
abort to take, they were guided by any other motive
than that of expediency and good policy. Before he
proceeded to enter into a detail of the measures which
-bednopcised for their Lordships' adoption, he wished to
ca their attention to what bad beretofoie been done in
order to effect the same purpose with respect to this and
-other Associations. It appeared that as far back as she,
tear 1787 there had been Associations of some kind or
Other existing in Ireland. Immediately after that pe-
tiod, however, they bad fallen so much into disuse, that
in the year 1791 even the names of the members were
not known ; they seldom, be believed, eaxeeded six in
number, and their names were not known either to the
government or the country. Since that period thee
bad rapidly increa ed, and though various measure*
were had.teceui sell+, both by prosecutions at. ciammon.
law and under the Convention Act, for the piirpose,of
suppressing them, they were all unsuccessful. In the'
year 1824 the opinion was that the Catholic Association
was not illegal either in its constitution or tam. and a
law was proposed in the year 1823 for the purpose of
suppreasing it. This law was framed by tome of the
most prominent men of the present age, tan of whom,
were now in tte Howe of Lords, and his Noble.
Ft lend on the cross bench (Laid Eldon) was then*
on the wool ack. This law was found to be in-:
sufficient—and, it appeared to him (unlearned as
be- eras in those matters), not extraordinary that it
was so. In the first place, it permitted fourteen ad-
jnurned meetings, at which any subject might be dia.
cursed ; and, besides these f urteen days meetiogs, there'
were some subjects—such as religious worship, edam.-
ti.in, science, manufactures, a,nd age icultute. which were
allowed to be discussed at any m etin, and which did
not-come ssithn the Act. It was not, therefore, cilia-
er,filiary that the Act should be found inefficient, not-
withstanding the Open declarations of the members. of
the Association that they would evade it. He did not
'blame the Noble Lord who had introduced the Bill
did-not blame his Noble Friend then on the
Unolsack—nor did he blame the Government of
lrelend, that is was so; these were. other reasons,
%hien prisicipally arose from the divided state of the
Goverment. On every question which came More
them.. an unhappy division pervaded their Councils.
.From the time of the VOLOO to the present day the Ca-
tholic cause had been growing into importance. He
did not say that the opinions of many of their Lord-
ships had been changed, at the same time, almost all
the
.Members .who. had entered this and the other House,
of Parliament, felon that part of the kingdom, were fn.
teurehle, to cooeiliition. There Walt, besides, a great
Cath Soto whiob had smog up in Ireland. For
Many years. for reasons to which it was not now neces-
sary to allude—for many years, I say) this question was
never failed to be touched, upori.whgnever an opportunity
was offered. From the year 1811 to tbp present-time,
that has besot the moo; and from 1811 a divided Go-
vernmeut has eaisted—and since then this question,has
been gaining ThilAyision was ieltfined to.
every queation regerdist Ipelend, VW. Vim no qua-
dun, whether it repelled deleace, education, or crime.'
nal 1.4 w, whith ems not discussed with reference. to this
Wee; (MOO- He 311Q1441 tbeteftuchurepeated,. be
bighl3) Cnipsahle it he: innie‘ed the /Piltee 14 the 1"
which bad been passed against the Association, ie She.
7th 185 to any whet Ono *mg (bided' lidsoioit-!
•tation, 11,10183 Vitt le IPeekreeteetiek the -4eanala:'
tiON and the low which bad been berort pasted 101

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suppress • it,- he would • now stets. •to. 'kir Laidebipsitelebnient between himself 4nd the people. tie (Lord.'
the measures by which hero.Pl,and:•:tti.tiiim to *carry 1 gullßud) apprehen4eJ the lett %aim -Oiratiihrscav
the law into execution. He did not .pretenCto slay (at
some Inch Mentor* was in Contemplition. li, was
that it was by regular measures. phich were..tes- be at that•tinte'teio great I novice in *tete policy to Ina e
adopted on every occasion—they us a not. They. from What -qttatter the stroke should come. To what
were extraordinary measures, intended as a remedy ptipose, tic would ask,' trete their Lordships called
fer extraordinary evils, which might probably, and upon to piss the present Bill for the pre.eieatton tithe
which they were to hope would, Dever occur again.' Constitution, if they themselves were to come forwiud
He did not propose them as a precedent which ought and destroy that Constitution?. He was told it dos to
to be followed, but rather pointed thew !out as means be destroyed with securities. He could not conceive
which ought, if possible, to be avoidedso'ln the first how the two-expressions could be consiste:itly used. He
clause, the Catholic Association, by flaw, was declared knew hot how destruction and security could be applied
to be for ever abolished. In the secoods.the Lord Lieu- to the same thing: It was said that danger required
tenant was invested with the power of declaring any him to make thole concessions which were not required
association or assembly illegal, and •of appointing in justice. In this view of the case he could not coins
Magistrates, any number not less than two, who tide with the Noble Duke. He was willing to admit
should have the power of ordering such an assembly that the state of Ireland was in a greet measure such as
to disperse; and in case the order was not obeyed in had been represented. He knew that disorder had been
a quarter of an hour, that the persons so assembling excited for the purposes of intimidation, and displays of
should be liable to be brought before any two numbers made by the leaders of the Association ; bet
Magistrates, and committed to prison. The next part he saw no danger except that which would arise from
of the Bill referred to the collection of the Catholic rent, the destruction of the Constitution, which a patriot
and afforded means for suppressing the eolletion of any King. in the bosom of • a tioly loyal people,_ would not
such fund. His Noble Friend had stated fiat the Bill be able to crush. He'
thought the sense of the nation
still left the road open, and had promised to be able to should, at all events, be taken Qn this important wee-
drive a donkey and cart through i'. He hoped his sere. It asight,.perhaps, be said that the safety of the
Noble Fiend would give his valuable assistance inCom- Church was to be entrusted altogether to their Lord-
mitte-, in order to repair the road: for be thought it ships' House, as it contained the repieseotatives of the
most desirable that is, y Act which should receive their Church. This was, indeed, placing the ma ter on a
Lordships sanction shoOld be found effectual. He new basis; but the safety of the Constitution *as like-
would not trouble their LOrdships further at this late wise to be looked to. It was possible that many of she
hour, but merely move that the Bill should be read a Representative* of the people had chongeeltheir oii..ion,
second time. and some of these who teen livid their.stiats on condi.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE expressed thy; tion of opposing the claims of the Catholics. S ease
gratification which he felt that this Bill was not sub one said that many Noble Lords had changed their
milted to Clem upon its• own exclusive merits, but as opinions. It was a notorious fact that a most issiracu-
coupled with others not of a coercive nature, and part loos change had taken place in the minds of his hlajese
and parcel of a system of pacification to heal the. ty's Ministers ;.and, under all those changes. be would
wounds of Ireland—(Hear). -11 this Bill were to stand+ ask, were the people alone to be debarred of an °o pen-
alone, he would have had to pronounce it unnecessary tunity of expressing their sentiments, and declaring
and unconstitutional, and likewise dangerous, inns, whether they changed or adhered to their opinions?—
much as it would put an end to she enjoy ment of the This in itself, be thought, Wall sufficient to stamp the
British Constitution in Irelanils—(Near, heat). But measure as one of power and not of justice. He would
his opposition to it was diminished, when he found trot trouble their Lordships further, but merely express
that measures of liberality and justice were to be a hope that, If that measure was tattled. ese old bell
its handmaids to the Statute Rusk ; for were not of Saint Paul's, which was said to have souoded so laud
these to follow in its train, no coercive measure upon a certain occasion as to be heard. by the cinched
would avail in Ireland to stifle the public voice, at Windsor, should, on this occasion, send forth as 'Aid
as long as it was called forth by those penal one a peal, and toll the funeral knell of the British Cousins
galling statutes which oppressed the Catholics, In fact, tutien.—The Bra was then read a second time.
no coercive Act could, in his opinion, be executed. if The House adjourned at Nom otteree. . . .
concession were not to follow for the aggrieved. units, HOUSE OF CONIMCONS..
those heart burning. and in, estir,e dissensions were Mr. Jammer, front the Mice dt tit thief Semetary for Ire.
healed which bad so long convulsed Irefand. Wade these land, prevented papers relative to the Sittie trade of that country.
of
natureMr Means. i4nove writ was ordered to be
lasted it was idle to talk of union ;beet the nsoment they'
14„..4°° the
formotion .
the
of 'a
Member to serve in Parliament, in the
were withdrawn, he looked forward to tratiquilli y and mom of mynahs= Lewis. Hog. who ha. accepted the Chiltern
peace, and to the cordial co-operation of a warm and ge- Hundreds,
serous people in the promotion of the ails of peace.— Colonel SIBTHORPIt presented a Petition from Lincoln
He hoped that the present Bill would he impar- alaimet "an eleum of the Witham Nsvlsoloe J&l—Ordered
tially applied to all the political Associations which to are oe the table.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL premised &Petition from the
bad arisen in late years in Ireland. He was ready Beecher. of Lincoln's Inn, praying fur knee to compound for
to • admit that many of the acts of the Associa- Poor's Ratan.—Ordered to on the table.
Colonel LYGON presented a Peados from tbe county and city.
tion, and pa:ticulerly in the collecti.m of rent, were
of Worcester against the Claims of, the Roman Catholics. The
unconstitutional ; but were not the Orangemen and then Husiourable Member Observed. that whom the subject came flame
Asada equal violations of the law, while they o ere bereft the Hee*, be *humid deliver his seatimeats relative to it, and, in
'of the justificatory excuses which the C .tholics had/ the mean time, to give it the best consideratio• in hisimwer.
Now that this Association, followed is? as it had been Ho ROBINSON could not hesitate to declare that bis opinions
by the violenceof the Biunswick Clubs, had at length Esatisbthedat am
Church. gnatio Wered horl:etched wiore fbothetetaPneythdlau erre.tolithee
called the attention Ot Parliament, he 'hoped the sup CelooelgDA VI ES observed that the sentimmns ot tile Pedtiouers
pre,sion of all would be impartially executed, and peace were by no means those of the majority of the Canny 9f
Warr-
then given to the comn•unity. eater.—lkdered to lie on the table. .
The Earl of. LONGFORD said, that in whatever Colonel LYGON also presented Petitions 10 the same effect
from the. parishes of Apaley and Bentley, In the county of Wor-
manner. this new law should be applied to the Cttholic. cater.—Ordered co he on the tab*. •
Associations, and to the Orangemen, 'there was this, Mr. W. PRIM moved an address to his Majesty. praying for.
difference always to be remembered between these two returns of all persons committed, during the last 'even years, to
parties—that the Orangemen, when three I r tour sears,
eche ptionivied.of Gthreraeat
me, Btoiftalthoe aiin,t Ireland,
ativklsas specifying
ig,iprlr the offences
imprisoned,
ser
ago the law had been directed against their meetings, Mr. CUETEIS presented a Petition from the Members of a
at once complied with its injunctuns, whsle the C..thos. Dissenting Chapel in the county of Smoot against the Ltuman
lice first evaded the statute, and then defied and derided Catholic (Uinta.
its provisions, erecting themselves at the same time i,,to;
racz. Hic.:liiwtoNpSaOriNshesptesein Mtheed
ctouwato
yPeofitiousietifr
oa similar c
S. Theilro:
thema tribunal, *Human and usurping.rhe ouncnous ot Par- Doateabist Member also presented a Petition from the parish of
bimetal, taxing the King's subjects, and airogatiog to Wiesen., couple ot- u.onerwa. praying for the repeal of the House
itself, in open defiance of the. law, the pnwors of the .11,14 Windmill Tar; 40.2 two similar Petiniatis kola the l'erish of
Legislature. Individual s cieries-0 every denomination tkisa•thel.teleci Bash, and the Parish of Sr. Nicholas, in the vicinity of
may have evaded or exceeded the low in behind; but Sir H. PARNELL preiented a &shine Irma • the. Rom an Ca-
here was a regular and numerously organised confide.. Mae inhabitants of Upperwood, Qmpew'veeeserr, in favour of the
*ear aping the forms of Parliament, while they d sided Catholic Chums.
lila power; and marshalling society, as it had beets al- General KING
fbelpretented. a Petitir.
efrotn.honthece tows of Bally.
momater.aga.
pupil:
to.r.pted to Ite done in. Paris during the worst periods ot %V "DstAnDAScrucouegsghtnau e Mat Report. of the Coimmis.
the revolution, until the Jacobins thems-lees, violent, sinners appointed to examine Into his Majesty s Register Haney
vireleot, ao4 bloody as. was the i te.gn of then . tacti.st, Kalinbutga. -
determined to pot down this:association of clubs, which Admiral Kali ERON presented twelve Petitions from the
peiticeadope to the Roma*
could not co-exist vath -entree:lnseam i.f law. Was
..! :no on the table
county
C ke° NettOrddligredhaintougatnet further
- .
society in I'nl'
and to belen. O the sitercy of this Catho- Colonel PEEL rime, according to notice, to present a Petition
lic Association, the members cif which were to escape hens a large body of this inhabitants of the city. of Norwich. pray.
with immunity? Why was this indemnity given to log
htohist isomtarstecrmoczebeise.ir
i "rtPIY.
,:r r grouted
totht I:
el. 'he ;171:::
Ahem. when the membessof any Joint Soo*: tompany
said, thatart
it was welt worthyit
of atuttairte'rei ;:arce.:titiiiii!of the cr•oct:
were held, individially responsible for the( acts of the, ability of the persona whose sigunteroetbfair.airacbs-d to it, and it'
Body ? He agreed that until the Catholic_ A.is,.cid t ion afforded a strong proof of the seeiseisdivino in the tOUIIOII respect.
were put clean, Isere wisili be no peake fo ' Ireland; ins the intended measure.
.01. LEYCEsTER said lie ALI run know ohy this
and lie at the same time I emei.ted that home Noble
L ids were liberal .enouah to see no diAinction between P.::
viedth)tin . hadt i ti
chi.: , i
in. u deemedil had t c4l.,anfttahi
ney 411:::; fipcl :IT; It
ewpolici have
tion de.
a
such illegal bodie. and those of the Frot.onuosswho had bell ,tol, but he did not think it deserved is when it only costumed the
been obliged to combine to pse.erve themselves from language of desperate delusion. It only athirJed . proorahow cone.
destruction, and the w he,le Government from bring dent met) can be—„o confident as to reject the opinion of the wisest
overthrown by the previously unresisted sway of this and best torn in the couitry-soconfidcot a• to attempt to oVerthrow
the Duke ca Wellington', Administration—so colipent as to elides.
Association. vote to pull down one Duke and set up another, ile ( Mr L.) moat be
Lord TEYNH AM could not concur in the de.crip- allowed toque his opinion of the measure. Ile considered it the
tion i f the wild te-action of some I f those clubs, when moo beneficent that had been adopted sauce the Revolution. It
Member s were found at their nvetiirgs to talk of wading scwaotscahnsburaebuirziloif justice and cah,sagreity,n,nweitliptorp
ii..1.h1 11 1 'bibs; Irish,
iannor.
up to their knees io blood, in support of the sides which and it was a measure cakulated to give strength sod stability to
they took in this controversy. He was quite satisfied' the British empire. When it came TO be canaumniated, what place
that the Government did right in putting down all would George IV. occupy in the annals of history? Ile
these Associations, and that if they bad not beeis
c Intottri!insg.t. its reignvf ihirbehrehrinahlthenemilerithhey FthestehsciauveictocticKtority,
stoPPdi they would have gone on 21' th 9 e in Fr4n . aelveribtade entriugmpuouover religious discolYrd. r;:woold acertymptishig
had proceeded during the revolution, to which the ibis ;mutate be bad joined sound juigineut to patriotic levant
Nob2e Lord had alluded, dissemivating, far and nail, because be had a Prime Minister wish a head to conceive and a
the elements of destruction. He was sejoiced to end hand to, eetecnartte ; and eat:ire:7;y
rtioof bfridientnreeds
whohiwmouselinf Iba:
that a measure of pacification was at length to be prejudice
ilm walk in their darkness and nut in his own light. He would
effected for Ireland, and, great and glorious as Vie say to Ministers ° mow Ness vertu e.". Let them go straight on in
Noble Duke's .victory at Waterloo had been, for hi. the coarse they had taken, turning neither to the right Wad nor to
fame, and that of his country, still more sutistol,o, the left; bet;
heehaws art tabkeine no conned floats
rtheeaucam.pdamithely
would his character be now estimated, by the civic
wreath with which he was about to encircle his brow— eeenegnbltit.e be—a
t point which lednibim to consider the yquestion of
(Hear). This laskact would finish his claims upon his securities. If, es the Duke of Wellington had very properly
stated, there was no danger to be • apprehended, what necessity
country's gratitude. was there for any specific security? lie would say that the mu-
The Earl of GUlLFORD.expressed his firm and one be tb obi
sireietigrsaion of Dubs, atsthehest security in addition to which there miglit
binding the Catholics to attempt nothing
alterable attocitoseat to the Po teOtalit Constitution in against the interests of the Protestant Church, they having alritady
Church anti State, and which he considered to be the proved their respect for the sacredness of oaths, by abstaining from
foundation of the happiness and plAsperity of the sub isiolatiershich theyhad alone been debarred (tom political privileges.
jeetit of the &ate. He complained. that the uatiea had Mi.GURNEY expiessed his belief that the petitioners,h
been lulled into Ismael security by persons in whom 40
Wellingtonfa!:fromdisgraceinhagiattraisdePdettiotionthwwirerrewtu int ;act, bye a°:
implicit reliance was placed. declaring themselves the
steady advocates of tile Protestant, Cisioutution, and, was his conviction that, had they been to his Glace 's confidence,
ardentasti to signing
what they. supposed to be his wishes; and it
therefore. the enemies of Catholic Eruancipatioo.— bait of them at least would have signed a petition ifl
nanother semi-.
it was,, b* . thoughts, impossible.. to conceive that He beiieved that the cookery as at_whok wasbeessenontia y and
bledaneTir
at the time the Noble Duke bad written se Ur. Curtis .00t:isvile'rgotti-ine
bedictnot, at least, meditate something of present in
LORI TI)
stunt. Dad 111:2. felt that
twher
„Frights.
LLA.SIORE sod, that at a dose when the
measure. He (Lord Guilford did wet; therefore, con,-
Calisthenics seemed threatated.,eoll4qii, and when those who
plain so much of change of aintiments .0 he did that, were etiosideresriu limiest Mad asoartitheleMproisearlstseurtpttrters
when hia sentiments was changed,.that change was not bad turned reendemarid hylhrsalatritht
was
wipood to the
,people. The Nom, Duke °sea imperatively Incumbent up;. every losilaves his °PIM The
douse a number of commenieetioies front Ireland, azd'llad,
oe
swere.thai.
oben
.. miabtar.
of.
the erowa *cm with . Right Hon. Secretary for t
.onm t ad laid before
rsOCseCy od potpie,- bis'inust expect ter tee....ith pine
~,N,4 tot seterrehlattoo nos se and alleiTif _alethl,! lithierti_
confidence, sad user again establish sysingie lint. • oPtila the Catholic layman. A rtewlietit had brokenm upon the

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;Viler Mott..Gretientatt ha July. and ble. • •'ss• ' tad
occurred in'August. lii tirleved that thisbed heen the ease, and
he might very well do so, for MeProteatantemee bad two its tent
able friend. The Right Hon. Gentleman, having suede laic sate.
rite„" r„pi.cong Ireland, bad, as he (Lord Tollasnom) under.
stood hint, stated that he bad i further information to give, sod
that it was Inconvenient for llinisters td aniwer fort hie questions
but he would say, that his Majesty's Ministers would find it
much more inconvenient to stir the indignant voice of the Pro-
testants of the empire. It vras. his fear that the Bill, atiparensly
brought forward for the purpose of potting dame the Rotten Ca-
tholic Association, was a part of the delusive system that had of
late govetned the councils of 'the Government, and that, while it
outwardly seemed to be aimed at that Avociation, It was In
reality, aimed at those loyal hearts who bad ever 'hewn the'r
readiness to stand up for the King, the country, *tail the lows.
No one who had heard the rebelling,' speeches of the catholic As-
sociation but Most be convinced of the necessity of supprowiag it
sad be would put it to the *Worn Of the House. and of all, think-
ing mos, to my If, at the moment when the firth agitator was
actually hurling the gauntlet of defiance at the very door or that
Hottie--(iscar)--if abet eras a fitting time fee bringing forward
the measure of conciliation, and for removing the dieAllbles of
their Catholic fellow-subjects? The Kilo Honourable Secretary
bad mid that the circutnetemes et ItelatoLitate %Miming that
se alternative was left him eampt• what. be Mold Ant mtu-
srientiously adopt. But t hat country could have been govereed
WM* Pope Bed held hit &ninth in' the Castte of thit.lisi in pi ice
of the Vatiem. Instead eV Irish diecontent.being ttestiel by what
was assumed by the friends id the ntemere, was it net rather in oen•
sequence of a needy and superabundant populatieta, wishing to get
possession of the land? In his opinion Ministers bed begun at the
wrong red in 1795, for he Conceived it would Have been better, to
ha* admitted a few Memberiinte Pereement than to entrust as they
did dm power. of the chivies franchise to a desperate ant priest.
riildee population. He believed that..a filiniatcy acting in eon•
cm and harmony would have prevented the evils that eillictel
Ireland': and he could atirdertaki to read from the en,iimon law
what would bate supervised Montanan Catholic Asoseinion with.
out having had reweave to ;what had hero termed tire stigerine
Act. The political aspect of the estuary for which they were called
' upon to legislate had come undh his persoual tem reader', He but
beard rebellious, he'vinuld add treaeonable, language tetened with
impunity—aye, by the Priests from the *my altars 'in Sunday. Ile
bad Mmes. *Wenches made by them, tuexcite . the soldiers to
mutiny..
,The cheuntotance bad mewled at Naas, and he believed
that no notice had been taken ot it. When he was ;Leered !bat
the parainount influence poi-seised by the Priests over the people
was broken, then.rind not till then, shuold he agree chit a measure
for guesting a greater curia of political- power to the Catholics
sheuhl be submitted to that House. Mis whbed to Goo that the
advocacy of the sentiments he had expressed bad fall. o into other
and abler bands He had frit it his duty however far his endeavours
came below his wishes, •to avow •theheentlntents ; for the com-
plexion of the times made It esseetlal to mender private feelings to
reilic necessity. There was mother subject on ethic's he thoegbe it
right to tomb, although he could not approach it. without palm—.
He could nut but regret the change that Li in the minds
of his Majesty's Minieters vas this melt important question—he
could not but regret the loss of the .Right Hournitable fientleman
who had ao long showe himself the distinguished and trionsphent
advocate of the Protestant cause, although he would ens bins the
justice to declare that, in acting as he did, he conceived him to btu
been guided by an imperious sense of duty. There was, at the same
time, a charge lie emosidered himself bound mistake, although be
did it most unwillingly. Which was against them who bad jellied to
practising that unjustifiable system of delusions of which be (Loud
Tullansore) cumplained, as did the cutintry, locally and bitterly.
He would begin with the lion. alieuher for Derry—( Hear). In o
speech. as uncalled ter as it was unnecessary, he had come leeward
at the festive board to wound. the firebugs ul hi. cons looms, who
cou d only exclaim •• & tat. Brute!" and chit was hither:l up by AM
announcement that his opinions on Catholic liartatactpiti.in remained
onclisnged. He would next refer to the triumphant proiress of the
Secretary for the Home Department, during which he wet received
by an admiring, enlightened, and generous poop* as the etiamploa
ot the Protestant cause. ,Ile eras thus received at, the very moment
perhaps; when be had come to- the determination of shawls/nits,
that cause, although he would acknowledge his belief that this
determination was the result of a sense of insperioes necessity:--.
He (Lord Tullamore) would on), say, that for twenty years of bit
public bre the' Right -Honourable (handouts had supported. Pro.
testant principles tennierately and effectively. and be could moment
in no other way for the change in his °labium. than by tappet"
tog that he was in a similar • position with 'some • who, baring
studied religion most' deeply, had ended by degenerating into
Atheism. The Duke of Wellington had written a letter to a Itomaa
Catholic Prelate; in which he had stated that there was no probe-
biiity or possibility of settling the question oral, es the .übjecr wore
permitted to rest In oklivioe ; and. if that letter meant any thing,
it certainly did not mean that his Grace was employed id recaovii.g
all the civil disabilities aff•cting the Kunsan Catholics, watt, the
exception of their eligibility ass 511 our or two °Sets, such as Ole
places occupied by the. Lord Chancellor and Premier. IL had one
word to say as to the recall rat the late Chit f Governor ot Ireland.
Why, be would ask, had he been so sudJeuly recalled ? And why
had tbat recall been utiaccumpaisied by Ministerial replan: non ?.....
The Duke of Wellington should have stated publicly the emotes
that led to his recall. For his own part be would say, with. rem-
tome to then which &hoist. rs had so myoteihnisly and on.
expeefedly introduced. that he woeld protest against the contem-
plated Dill; but lie ti ors d in Goo that, if klinisters were soceessful
in making it a legislat iv. ea sctment, the Yrotestiotta of the Empire
would show that obedience, to the laws of their couti.ey which had
always distiegaidied-them—(Hear, bear).
.Mr. W..SMITH (Member fat Norwich) said,. tit 4,,
se far as regarded the respectability of the persons whose .names
were affixed to the Petinisu, it was Nut for bins to question its
beteg, however, well acquainted with the e.ty ot N-retich, he
coulthiot help saeing;tbat although he had been tor many year*
the advocate of the measure of Catholic Fastatielpation, be bad
never had any occasion to shrink Irons- publicly meeting Us fel taw
&heats ; and. if it %Weld be tomortuw.necrosary tor tont cos r,n to
a pull, he should entertain troy little &min qt the ry•olt. He
could state as a reason why no pe ltiou adverse to the present had
been prepared, that a Meeting of the Friends of Civil and IL ligioue
Liberty.had been holden, in which- it had been atreed 'upon to
petition Patliamsot In laeour of Famancipatiodif a petition should
be necessary.. Seeing, however, that the question bad been taken
up by the •Mbilitry, they had thought it beiniis leave the seestiao
in their bands He objected to the petitioners wishing it to be.
wadi' tool that they and those who belonged to th, it- views were
the only real Protestanis.- No person mind be more athletes that
he was to preserve the Protegatit religiose) but he only debited. its
preservatiou as lung as it was .tile to presierveltself
After a few observations irons Air. S. Mutate, Colonel Pen,
aid Mr. Lercionea. the Petition was brought up, read, and or-
dered to be printel. •
Gdwnrl PiBL the* presented another. Petition to tht sate
effect from the l'etish of Nurthcote. another town the Parish of
Chivinetuti, and another twin the Pariah of"Palefural, all to the
county of Norfolk.
Mr. BY NG presented a Petition Crum a Congregation. of Pro.
tomtit Dissenters in Hackney iu favour uf Catholic Entancipetion.
. • Loirl EBRINU.TON pretaa.d 4 P4ii:t.mtrom the
Protestant Dissenters of Creams, in Devonshire, and -somber from
the Mends of civil and religious liberty assembled id another plate
in that county, in f f Roman Catholic liabaricipetinn. Iq
presetting the Petition, the Noble Lord took occasion to justify his
own conduct in becoming a member of the Catholic Astiocistioti,
mei to vindicate that body front borne attacks which hod been made
upon it. He did not mean to excuse all that had bed done or said
by that body; but he believed'that their 'proceeditses lad not been
nearly so daring, tusbulent, or seditioui, as t hose ni certain meetings
of the loyal Brunswick Cubs; and. he hoped shot,avben the Bill
which bad lately passed tluqugh that Douse abould, come tom
dperation, it would be used tot the purpose afputsing,down ail
associations which tended to disturb the p ace of the mulish. lie
considered the Catholic Ameelatioeto have beenatemaittesuse of
producing the proaelting settlement of the Catholic Question.
Admiral EVANS sold. that, Irons what:won :stated
on the other side of the Home, it weuld appear tbatthes COO*
Association and the BrunserickConothutiouel Quits were etpotatlor
same footing. It was, however, astoolsbing that the
.twii_lllllNes
should be notkasieded together is any way, or that my oadsplaldb
should bays been instituted between Mews. The Briostakit Sibs
say that they are satisfied with the King, the Cnnetiodionowd•lho
laws as they stand. 'lt was strange that the Brunswick, pobe should
be called violent for expressing their satisfaction ivi thMge as they
steed. The Noble Lord opposite bad eulogised the Catholic Asho
ciation, but it was 'hangs that the Noble Lord. whihroleedeig
thm body. should jobf in a measure for euppreashorit. It, bet Moo
' also said, upon she other side of the House, that palliate epee Ida
(Admiral Evan's) ddi, arrogated.to themselves the niertanf being
exclusive Pearlman. In answer to that he &Staid only say. that
oby their fruits you shall know them." He bad 'always vindicated
the Protestant reilMon. end opposed that width they declared
their oaths to be Impious and idolatrous; the same oath wza
taken by the Host. Members opposite.. Now, as Wit as tbs. Hoe.
Members were endeavouring to bring Into that Haase opinions
twist
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belaredwLo.herilnplist
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to idwaii, nittbose who agreed with = tot of mete.
sive Pratistalltion.
• Mr. Secretary PEEL moved that as homble Address
be promoted to his bf*Wy, praying that his Majesty 'would be
, posbasip pleased to order to be laid before the Mouse a copy of
(halfwit 44 tlisitaCesearississers who had bees appointed to to,.
Mare bite the patties and proceedings of Courts of Justice. Tit

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