Star.
London, England, 1820-02-19 00:00:00

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lIOUSE OF. COMMONS.
The Serainta took the Chair at half.past three o'clock, when
upwards of thirty Members took the oaths" among whom were
Lord LOWTHIS, Mr. ROZITZT. NIL, Lord J. STIVIIAUT, Sir E.
Cost, Mr. A. Wawa? Lord Avraoarz, Lord Jocanru, Lord
Arguer, ant Sir E. latamsox.
Sir WILIAAM CURTIS presented a Petition from the
Prisoners confined for Debt ill Whitecroamtreet Prison, pray-
ing the continuance of the Bill for the Relief of Insolvent
Debtors.—Ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. ABERCROMBY presented a Petition from the Pri-
sonde confined for Debt in the King's Bench Prison, praying,
that the House Might renew the Intolvent Debtors Act for
such time as they might deem expedient. 'The Honourable and
Learned Gentleman observed, that the Petitioners stated, in
support Of their prayer, that which he enosidered its unanswer-
able. They mentioned' that the present Bill, which would el-
pire on the 22d of this month, was paged with the intention
that it should remain in force for three months Ore* the coenL 1
mencement of the next Session, during which period it was ex-
pected that sufficient time would be allowed for passing a new
Bill on the subject. Though that time had now nearly elapsed,
it was. known that sufficient time had not been afforded for go-
ing into an inquiry or bringing in the other RM. He trusted,-
that as Gentlemen opposite were in such a hurry to dissolve Par-
liament, they would, amongst other Acts suffer this Balm be
renewed, and not dissolve this law, which was so important to
Oa Petitioners, and to others in their situation. He was the
more earnest in tkis hope as the principle of the Bill had been
so often recognized by Parliament.—The Petition was brought
up-and read. On the question that it do lie on the table,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not con-
ceive that; it was expedient to introduce anew an at the present
moment. The subject was one of which his Majesty's Ministers
had not been unmiodfel, aad he conceived that they and the
House bad to thank the Noble Lord' (Althorp) who had taken
such pains on this important subject, which he trusted would be
renewed in the next Parliament. At the same time he would
state, on the part of his Majesty's Ministers, that no objection
would be made to the renewal of this 13111, 'amongst others, for
a time.
Lord ALTHORP conceived the measure to be one of con-
siderable importance, but be thought it better that it should he
'commenced de novo, than that a Bill should be introduced lb
make any alteration at present. It would bi better to have it
begun in the next Parliament, and that in the meantime the
-present Bill should be renewed.—The Petition was dlrdered to
lie on the table.
Sir WILLIAM DE CRESPIGNY presented a Petition
from a person who, in the capacity of Chairman of Parish
Meetings at Newington Butts, in the county of Surrey, had
some time since discovered a nefarious syitem of peculation
practised by a Collector of the King's Taxes. The Petitioner
lodged qui tan informations against the defaulter, on which he
was convicted and fined £looo—of that fine, the Petitioner had
supposed himself entitled to a moiety ; but he had received but
£l5O from the Commissioners of the Revenue, which nut con-
ceiving to be an adequate remuneration fur the loss of time and
great trouble which the actions had cost him, he prayed for jus-
tice and relief from Parliament.—Laid on the table.
Mr. F. BUXTON gave notice, that the Chairmen of the
Committee on the Criminal Laws (Sir J. Mackintosh) intended
to move Per the revival of the Committee,..which had, under
the direction"( the Hill. and Learned Gentleman, laboured so
usefully in the last Sargon to procure a revision of Criurtnal
COO.
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Mutiny Bill, in which it was to be included. The But it had been said, that the 'Members. of the r--- ----- - .
Noble Marquis concluded with stating again, that other House, if the Session was still to last, would be that Parliament could not be usefully continued to ---- a
demise, to make prevision fora great portion of
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the Civil Establishment ; but then it was to be con- 7 sent, to be kept
some measures were in contemplation which, it was so much occupied with their wn interests, they the extent allowed, it certainly was never the inlet- the
that such matters Could not be adju led at ' authorized the
• expected, a new Parliament might sanction, but to would forget those of their Constituents. This ap- tint that it should necessarily exist for that time. In
every case the Constitutional prerogative of the s part ot the joi
which the present one could never accede. geared to him (Lord Carnarvon) a most extraordi-once. Time would be required for Gentlemen to "-s the country Na
Crown was easefully reserved, and the application
The Earl of HARROWBY argued, that the nary objection (Hear, hear). It was the fist time make up their minds, and besides, the House would /s, 1 danger that pe
of its exercise could never depend upon the sense of
:milt. se proposed in the present case was far more he ever beard of' Members becoming more careless la naturally open to other propositions coming from
different Members. It would be awkward to pre- 1• . there was no
Parliament. Its purpose could never constitutionally
adOantageous and convenient, with respect to the of the interests of their Constituents in proportion as vent other Gentlemen from bringing forward subjects 35 to aliow ter
be thwarted by Parliament, and it was not for the
public business, than that contended for by the No- the time advanced for expecting a renewal of their • Indeed, there
c
latter to take upon itself to say, that thitrown
ble Lord. The Noble Marquis was likewise mis- suffrages (Hear, hear!) He had always understood, which they judged to be of public importance. The Mass ot his M.
should not dissolve Parliament, or throw insuperable
talc= in assuming, that Parliament was here called that during the last Session of a Parliament, Members state of attendance was also to be taken into consi- •••s- Why then was
obstacles in the way of its exeicises. Upon these sou-
upon to advise the Crown, with respect to the pe. endeavoured, as muCh as possible, to cultitatePopu- deration, and it would be hopeless to look for a full '
. . to,be kept up 1
victions he felt it his duty to support the motion for
riod of its own dissolution. No such inference could lar favour ; and how could they do so by neglecting the Address. paration for future elections, and matters of the first
attendance when Gentlemen were occupied in pre- .be uo chance 4
fairly be drawn. The Crown merely communicated die interests, or opposing.the wishes, of their Consti- The Noble La
The Marquis of LANSDOWN and the Earl of
.notcc"rmalierke.billiss4
its determination to the House,. and the House on its ruents? W 4.11 tbe exception of those that sat on the interest could not be so well arranged as when there
LIVERPOOL-spoke shortly in explanation ; in which
part had to consider whether it would concur in ter- Treasury Bench, he was entitled to conclude, that an were calm minds and a good attendance. For these
the Noble Minister observed, that Parliament, by the
taro measures which were essential to the public ser- approaching dissolution would rather quicken dili- suggest the measure of regulating the public affairs
reasons the advisers of the Crown had preferred to would oat's' te
. adoption of temporary measures, might preclude the
vice. With respect to the Civil List, on which so gence in the promotion of public objects, than pro- ; Sesion, which
possibility of injury resulting to the public service
much stress was laid, would it not be preferable in a duce neglect. This reason for an immediate disco- in the interval which must unavoidably take place in a new Parliament. As to private business, it Right Hon. G
case where it was impossible, at the utmost, that lobo
could not, therefore, he the true one. What, would be resumed in the same state in which it had declaration on
between the dissolution of the present and the assem-
Parliament could last longer than six months, to then, was the true reason? The Noble Earl oppo7. -ri been left in the Parliament dissolved and no injury for the Civil
b ng of a new Parliament.
bring that extensive and important subject, at a pe- site (Harrowby) had disclaimed any secret or un- could, in the meantime, arise to public business.— Lord CA:
The question was then put, the Address was voted,
riod and under circumstances in which it could un- avowed reason. But was there not room for sus i• and Ordered to be presented to his Majesty by the It was not necessary to propose, at present, any sum i being actuates
dergo a thorough investigation, into full discussion? riot? When their Lordships saw Ministers resort-for Army• Services, as a sufficient sum had been which he had
Lords with white staves, and the House adjourned .
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Even at the present moment, the country was begin- ing to temporary expedients—when they heard them till Monday. voted to answer the demands of the interval. But the vote for 1
ning to feel inconvenience from the prospect of a propounding, as the motives of their conduct, sea- it was intended to continue the Mutiny Bill tu the
25th of June, and also to continue such other Bills -
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rzstitwuetrioonfalthjee
pending dissolution; and it certainly was advisable sons which could not stand the test of examination,e • lIOUSE OF- COMMONS.
as would naturally expire iu the interval to the same
not to leave it long in such a state of suspense, but and found them dissolving Parliament at so incon- The Sezainta took the Chair at [pacthal three o'clock, when
sect of the sU,
upwardsi, of thirty Members took the oaths, among whom were so,,
w go, as soon as was safely practicable, to a Gene- venient a season, and with so slight an excuse, wasperiod. He was of opinion, that bysthis means the
Roassv-Pses., Lord J. STIVIAILT, Sir E.
sal Election. There was no prospect of bringing for- there not ground for suspecting that they had ob- -°— --asw":4l,47' Mr.
COT, ...r. A. . Lions, Lord ALTMOM, Lord JOCZLVII, Lord 1? Parliament would be enablectto have i:s do-
- ties completed by the end of the present month, so .
ward those great questions to any beneficial conclu- jests in view which they sturst not declare, and mea- A.escrt, ad Sir E. Exuma.
'to allow the to take place tau the lot snore favoural
sioisin the interval which could remain of the consi- sores to prOpose which they durst not submit, with sit' WILJAAM CURTIS presented a Petition from thethose becomir
Prisoners connedfi for Debt ip Whitecrosoostreet Prison, play-
nuance of the present Parliament, and it would be any chance of success, to a Parliament acting under of March, as the new Parliament might be _ossems : gard to the II
ing the continuance of The Bill for the. Relief of Insolvent
infinitely more advantageous to enter upon the in-. the anticipation of a general election? The suspicion on the Table. bled an the !I.sth of April.- He did not thinK it ne- , been in flit as` dissolution
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vestigations in a Legislature by which they were cer- here was necessarily created by the conduct:of the Ds:ir ABERCROMBYn a
's Petition from the Fri- cessary to offer any futther observations to the
lie then concluded by moving, That an was to avoid
tam
'tai
be deliberately concluded. Under the porn- Ministers themselves. If they had nothing to sub;. south. confined for Debt in the presentedi ably ensue to
• liar circumstances of the present case, it was impos- :mil now, which they were afraid to declare, why. that the house Might renew the Ignsolvent Debtori pAracra fog; tiouse. -
humble Address be presented mills Majesty, acknow. ,grounds .whir
such time atthey might deem expedient. The Honourable and
Bible these discussions could be gone into consistently 'dissolve Parliainent?* TheY. were bound to give Learned Gentleman observed, that the Petitioners stated, in le idg ng, with every sentiment.of gratitude, the sense-
.present meant
with the public advantage; and that was the goes- some satisfactory acconneof the grounds of theirf* their prayer, that which he considered as unanstvcr- which hi ••' Is faithful Commons entertained of his hays • than what he
tion upon which they had to consider, in order to de- conduct, and to 'etplaiiibeleascins whY such a dif- support
ae. G 'Prey mentioned' that the Bill, '
present which would ex- iffy beengraciously
pleased to make a commtinica.- ' Mr• TIER:
termiue their minds. No measures should be pro- .ference was observable between the now pro- sre on the 22d of this month, was passed with the interitien • -
twit on the subject of public business, and of his in- *
that it should remain in force' for three months after the tom- stated, that il
posed that there did net appear a certainty of being posed, and that pursued on similatoreasions liar- tendons to call a new Parliament without delay, and -
mencement of the next Session, during which period it wit ex- attended witl
auly considered, in what was likely to remain of the, merly. It Was incumbent upon them to eipl' •wl y Pected that sufficient time would be allowed for passing a new to assure his Majesty that they would
immediately {Mr. Tierney)
present Parliament. ithey departed from preeedents (Hear, -hear), They Hill on the subject. Though that time bad now nearly elapsed, adopt such measures as would provide for the eat- , hot wish foi
Earl GROSVENOII. observed, he should trouble had not done se; they no reasons for their con- it wa
nks own that sufficient time had not been afforded for go- - • of
ing ito an inquiry or bringing in the other BM. He trusted; gencies the public service* in the interval e bias ss• question. ii
their Lordships With avers! few words upon the pre- duct. On the contrary, there appeared Strong Con- that as Gentlemen o e wereotihn such
A a hurry to dissolve. Par- .
was to elapse between the close of the present Ses- , called upon
sent occasion. lle could not consistently approve of stitutional reasons for not dissolving Parliament at earn-
sot, they would,to be mon and the convening of a new Parliament. until Ale fins
amongst
law,er
whichetssewagerwahls lint 1 ,
the proposed course. It would appear there was an the present moment; so strong, indeed, that he would renewed, and not dissolve this important toe r. IIERNEY said, that such a measure as that the extraordi
endeavour to coerce the-decision of Parliament ; not hesitate to declare his conviction, thit a Minister the Petitioners, and to othees in heir situation. lie was ' • had•never
had beenth now
b proposed, at any former time been
more earnest in tails hope as the principle of the Billanent should'
and in no constitutional point of view did it strike who, in present circumstances, advised a dissolution, so
and
recognized bran forward—such a mode oaf
the
Parliament.—Tee
.Petition was brought -es . . proceeding had The CH)
him that the proposition was justifiable. He was did not do his duty by his King and Country!— ally
ofonththeaEt iltcdolitton theß d.table, t nl ev.e
Th
r been adopted at any accession sincethe Revo- , said, that the
Opposed to the measure of postponing, to an indefi- p
resentation hear). There were three BoroUghs, the Re- UP
The CHANCE ntion. e general course was, withOne•any Sal..
rite period, the consideration of subjects of the presentation of which was at present Suspended, from ceive that; it was expedient to introduce a'new on
at
thidenopeecseonnt-
mitt ground having been stated, to be now departed ' et the arran
moment. The subject was one of which his Majesty's Ministers 733. He v
highest national importance, and without making the
to
of gross corruption; and there was a fourth, from. They were'
h bre unmindfel, mad he conceived that they and the , . dally told, that it was the best
least endeavour to reduce the public expooditure.— to disfranchise, on the same account, for which a Bill sad trot
house a to thank the Noble
.Lord' (A.lthorp) who had taken wing they could do, to provide for the immediate that 'part of
night Hon. (
The finances of the country were in that lamentable had been introduced into the other House. Such ism pains on this important subject, which he trusted would be exi encies and th •
g . , en dissolve; but nothing whatever
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state, that no delay whatever should take place in at- was the state of the Representation. Was there not renewed in the next Parliament. At the same time he would was said in the Message, or by Ministers, in reference • . hut, at the s:
empting to meliorate them. As to the idea of suf- here the strongest ground to continue the Session till state, on the part of his Majegy's Ministers, that no objection
world
toisimide.be made to the renewal of this Bill, amongst others, for to future Government ; nothing like this had hap- ' plicable to
faring a large addition to the military force to re- some law should be passed regarding these BoroUghs? pened, whether the House was actually, in a state of '
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stain, it was what he must regard with the highest Would the inhabitants of these places be called upon Lerd ALTHORP conceived the measure to be . one of con- prorogation or not ;at such a time, more might did not, as
dissatisfaction. Why was a large force maintained to exercise rights which they bad forfeited by coto siderable importance, but be thought it better that it should
lie have been taken notice of. As it was, he could not snore than f
bps ins I
in this country—or for what purpose ? .Could it rupt practices, and concerning which one branch of *commenced de no
make any ea n
ot at present.
ea, than that a Bill should be introduced '
It would be better to have i
.t help giving to the proceeding the epithet indecorous. :was hate
r. ow be said that it was for the purpose of putting the Legislature had instituted proceedings, which a
bPearrieiaumewent, and that in the meantime the On all similar occasions, the Princeehad requested ..fonnqount e
down disaffection ? They bad lately heard, even to dissolution would annul ? One of these Boroughs pregseunntmlßlSl. sehnol .—The Petition was 4irdered to the House to make good the provision which was to 11 thatsuch g!
nauseating, that disaffection bad been put down.— had been so notoriously corrupt, that Ministers them- tie on the table. defray the expenses of his establishment. By so doing, He assured-
!. 'Sir WILLIAM DE CRESPIGNY presented a Petition.itte-nts, no a
The continuation of such a large addition to the selves had agreed to the transfer of its franchise to he recognized the power inherent Wake. House, of
from
Meetingsii gerson who, in the capacity of Chairman of ParishßlNlC ; it
Army would, were there no other reason, induce him another place; and would they now, by dissolvingvoting or not voting the sums necessary to supporr ,
some
Butts, in the county of Surrey, had old take
to oppose a line of procedure which he could not Parliament, restore the exercise of that franchise tothe Royal dignity. There were, indeed, some of ,
nefariousßingsT aslesit.em. ofe peculation
ngree to sanction with his vote. electors who had so abused it? He should not say practised by a Colleecator of thae WM' what were called the 11-reditary revenues which wer • Imw ".
one word mere upon the subject, but would oppose lodged qui tam informations against the defaulter, on which he -- ' • s • ' es. icltnafit i
independent of Parliament ; but what were generally :s 4. • • .
The Earl of LAUDERDALE began by observing was convicted and fined .Clooo—of that fine, the l'etitioner had generally
the course proposed by. Ministers.
that nape of the alleged reasons, for the course now supposed himself entitled to a moiety • but he had received rut so called, expired with the demise of the Crown. k. '.
be exercised
adopted by Ministers, bad the least weight in justi- Earl BATHURST begged' their Lordships to £l5O from the Commissioners of the Revenue, which
nut coo- required new Acts to authorise their collection. The . mach nu Ali
tying it. The Noble Earl at the head of the Trea- bear in mind two things which would go far to de- eelvie2 to be an adequate remuneration fur the loss of time and words of his late M • Majesty expressly avowed this, that-
sissy (Liverpool), had said, that if Parliament were ride the policy of the-proposed measure—namely; great trouble which the actions had cost him, he prayed for •us-
i they could not, without an Act, be collected or sip- of fc•bbornl,
t,. be continued for the Session, under the anticipa- that this Parliament could by law sit mil? six rice aid
rFrelißetu* fxrermoPvarliament.—Laid on the table.
gave notice, that the Chair/slim of the plied. Why such a departure from all precedent • Oe• for • ;
%applies th
lion of a dissolution at thaend of it, or in the course months ; and, secindly; that the business of the Ses- coma'siiiet on the Cr.iminal Laws (Sir I Mackintosh) intended was now resorted to, he could not say. •Ile was sure
.A:tithiooo,
of six ri, mtlii, as prescribed by loots the Members sion was scarcely yet begun. Noble Lords had re- to move for the revival of the Committee,. which had, Mid thereer was something at the bottom of it which it teas
di...directin"( the Hen. and Learned Gentleman, laboured sovOted tti nei
would be so touch employed in attending tat their carted to what rook plate- no former occasions'. anot intended that h e should understand. Why toe
licsetotiveui in the last Sesalou to procure a revision ofthe Criurmal bear with I
own concerns, and in taking steps for their future similar nature, but they did not take into view the the Civil List voted as it heretofore had been ? The grants no •re
le-election, that they would be unable to attend to time of the year, or.* period of the Session, when DV sr a. iit
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