Star.
London, England, 1828-06-07 00:00:00

reform in all Select Vestries. It was mosrabsurd that
such bodies should he Auibbri.ged, without el responsi.:
leility, to raise and disburse m sney as they 014asell.—
Even admitting that no case at all had been Made out:
tt,e principle was sit.!)id that it could not be counte:
nincedin that House. The object of the Bill was not
to establish an open. Vestry, btu merely to elect one-
tbird of the body every year, on the fairest of all modes,
by ballot.
Colonel BAU.LIE said that the allegations of the
Petition in favour of this Bill were not made out before
the Committee. The debt incurred, was trifling coin-
pad with their. income, and the rates, on an average
of ten years, were less'than in any other parish. They
would be suit further reduced in the course of time.
:The only complaint against the Vestry was that it was
• a select one. it has been so for 60 years, without giving
occasion to any complaint.
. Mr. LITTLETON said, the right of voting was con!
.fined by the Bill to those who paid 2.51. rates. As act..
error seemed to prevail ore this point, it was important
that it should be removed.
Mr. HUME said it was preposterous that such a body
should be exempt from responsibility. Within the last'
20 years they raised not less than 1,848N01. besided,
227,0001. debt. It was originally agreed that the pre:
sent Church should be built for 19,8101. A cupola watt
erected, which was afterwards pulled down, and th
repairs cost 75,0001. The vestry built at an expense
27,0001. a place to hold their meetings in. It was quite
a palace. The additions made to the workhouse cost ai
vast sum of money, and the building was not at all
adapted to such a purp3se. The Honourable Membet,i
atter stating some Wither instances ot miseuenekedsent.:
said, he trusted the House of Cutnimons would nut per-
snit a body of men, without any sort of responsibility,'
'thus to tax their fellowe subjects at pleasure.
Dr. PHILLIMOREoppbted the Bull, on the ground',
that the principle of it was to introduce popular elec.-
tion every Year, and all thecOafusion attendant on it.
Sir T. BARING said, there was no objection to re-.
commit the Bill, and make the qualification 501. or,
even 1001. This would effectually prevent anything
like popular election.
MABERLY said, the parish had no remedy;
against this self-elected body, but some Bill of this'
kind. He did not attend 'the Committee, because hbl
thought it unnecessary to go into the eVidence, being
opposed to' the principle of such a Vestry in a large and
.wealthy parish.
Sir F. BURDETT said the principle of the Bill bad
been adopted in the populous p:-.rish of raddington, ansf
gave rise to no. confusion, but, on the contrail, to the,
greatest unanimity. Here there was a large property'
at stake, and it was most absurd that a power should,
exist of disposing of it without any responsibility'. Xl*
House of Commons would sink itself very low in public
estimation if it allowed a system of this kind to go on,
which, if not one of extortion, was at least' one Of
.exclusion.
The House then divided, when share appeared—
For the Amendment
For the Original Motion
Majority against the Bill
DOLL seventa.
LITTLETON said he hadfive Petitions to present sgainit
the practice of bull baiting ; but be thought it extremely doubtful,
whether the practice should be prevented by positive enactnit;nt,
while the equally cruel sports of the rich were protected by guise
item The .Petitions, which were front parishes in Steroid:hire,
were brought up and laid on the table.
. Mr. W.SMITH thought a law on the subject would have the
effected prodscing a greet improvement in the practice and opinfogs,
of those by whom bun hailing was now considered an amusement.
Sir .1 AMES MACINTOSH presented a similar Petition from
mother parish in Stafford. He considered games of chance and
the sports of the field the two relics if barbarity that infected civi-
bed life, and which would cetteioty be removed by the progress
it knowledge ; but he did not compare the sports of the field to the
hominy of bull-baiting, which excited a murderess feeling in those
byythomit was practised.

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&JOHN NEWPORT said, by the firmness et the Mayor at
the city he represented, the practice of bull baiting had pit
ea and to there ; and he was confident, by equal firmness on the
pan of Magistrates generally. the prt.ctioe eovld be entirely
suppressed.
Mr. BEN ETT was coofident that, by the ptogress of dvilisatien
sod edueatim, bull baiting would be put an end to without any
positive enactment.
Mr. C. RLLIS. pretested a Fetid= from Newcastle•opon-
Tyee, its favour of Small Note ciseubtioa.
. ltr. PEEL presented a copy of the Commission of Inquiry into
the law of Real Property, and of the Ceimodaaion of Inquiry into
the course of an scrim is the Courts of CAIIIMUID
. eviaer mseneve. •

Sir HENRY ,PARMELL preseifted a Petjtios from a Steam
Padet Company, between Liverpool and Dublin, complaining that
dough they had offered to wry the malls without any charge, the
Post.edice had built packets st.an expense. of 470,900, and bad
sobered into competition with die' Periticeiers, in carrying passes-
ifets, by which they were greatly injured.
Mr. LESLIE FOSTER said, that not only was the 70,000 L
bid est ea the pieties a total loss to the public, but there was an
smut-loss of 10,0001. Government was in this way carrying on
a trade of ruin against a company of individual& The Poet Office
had refused the accommodation of vessels of one hundred and diti
hone power, and bad established *earls it Holyhead of but eighty
Mire power. The Poet Office bad their platardi in Dublin and
Liverpool, offering to carry passengtrs for 1.55.. each, which was
well kaolin to be much lees than the cost. ,He hoped the system
would be pot an end to.
Mr. BERRIES said, when he had a seat at the Tteasory, great
*notion had been paid to this subject. He could only now say,
that the principal Officer of the Post Office had always shown the
greatest desire to facilitate the conveyance between England and Ire-
bad, and hoped the House would not receive a false impress on of
kisdnrseter.
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD hoped the presentation of the
Petition would be of public advantage by an improvement of the
num.
Mr. 11013IMSON was confident the petitioners would give any
enmity that could be required for the regular toeviryance of the
31.4, and be hoped Government would withdraw its opposition.
Mr. DAWSObi said there was no public officer whose conduct
gave mote perfect satudaction than that of the Secretary of the
Post.offiee • but the most minute inquiry should be made into the
bets stated on the subject.
Mr. HUN& said he was not surprised the Right Honourable
Centime's should defend the Secretary of the Post Office, but he
b+4l more occasion Jo defend himself. All this waste of public
limey had been going at without the ijoule knowing any tbtog of
it. till it wai brought before theni by a private petition. He thought
Government should always contract for the conveyance of the mail,
%ether by. packets or by coaches.
Sir IL PARM gut then morel] (of certain Rentrns connected
with the toot Office katablament between Liverpool and Dub-
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btr.• Al AUSH ALL presented a Petition from Leeds against the
Bare.Trode. ;The Hon. Member also presented a Petition from a
parish in Bradford against the burning of Bindoo Widows. ..
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„Ai. pulaji4Wof,WE presented a Petition from Saltash
szainsi . Catholic eitiims.
thi-C A NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved for a
Berm* of die. Quitter of Sovereigns and Half-sovereigns coined
fluet,t,lie‘year,ASgt to the yetis ISP.
Atte:, tattenf,vsurds from. Mr. Batten, lir. Daysproar, Sir I.
W. limmi, and Mr. HUNK, the lieturn was ordered.
ler:loßlNStilif nioeed for a Atturn of cumin Actions in
h. Coins of Newfoundland, Labrador, &c. during a given period.
=Brill:reds .• . . .
-..Lord NUdfiNT postponed the second reading of the Cities and
lishou4lu Regulation Bill uotil.Fsdnestay next.

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•Tbe CUA.bCELWit.oI the .EXcHEQUER.. moved the
Order of the Day for the House resolviog itseit into a Coounittel
of toPPIY.
Ott the quenjon that the 0010.-- 40,1farft th?
Mr DA V F.:NI'OIIS ir;islidd en know 4ilrtfatrAAt trio ;Ole
teatlemia ((the Chaucellur at Ate girficritierjwliet:i lh
to TCA:MCIt the tiobiecia nk Mortotiribli Member
erritoed that the tobacco consumed in Ireland MU alaitist all
haunted. ,
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truest dime existed inure to intention Of redo uties.

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in an.wee to a question from Mr. Post*,
The CH A NCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said. that le
was not his intention+, Mnie the votes reritive to Irish Education,
urban new liritetary for Ireland wis appointed. •
.Mr. SPRING RICE, thought that a rote a 100,000/ or
200,0001. !night be greened, provided the matter of debate was left
'open for future discussion.
Mr. BA NKES said the Chancellor of the Exchequer was an-
swerable fot the appropriation of all the votes.
After a few words from Mr.Vmar Forsomiaso, Sir J. Newroal,
and Mr. DAwSON, the House resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply, Sir A. Gamer in the Chair.
Mr. DAWSON said that the sum he had to move for amounted
to 519,2651. on account of public works, &c. during the present
year. This grant was increased in 41,2644 over and above the
grant of last year, in consequence of the expenses of repairing and
altering Windsor Castle, and the extra expense at the British Mu-
seum. In the. ensuing year it was proposed that 7,0091. should be
voted towards completing the library for the use of Members of
the House of Commons.
• The first grant of 20,0001. on account of the expense of public
buildings, was then put.
'Mr. SPRING RICE thought that the library for the House
of Commons should be completed at once. He wished to see a.
small vote taken on account—a sum of 5001. er 1,4001. to begin with.
Mr. BANtES and Mr. Bawus severally said a few words, after
which,
Mr. HUME suggested that the records now lodged in the
wooden box in Westminster Hall, should be removed to some of
the'bOrieh proof rooms in the Tower—(a laugh) in lieu of building
a new place for their preservation. The Hon. Member then ob-
served. that the Manager of the Library of that House had only
1001. a year, and he submitted, although he was no friend to enlarge
the,expenies of the country, that this individual, Mr. Spitler, should
have his salary increased.
The SPEAti EH. bore testiaion to the merits of the individual
alluded to, and to a desise that a further reniuueration should lee'
'granted to bra. •
Mr. DA WSON was ot a similar opinion.
' Sir M.W. RIDLEY thought that Mr. Spitler should -receive
ad.ditional assistance, as it was almombeyond the strength of human
\iitewer to goshr'oush the laboor that individual endured.
The CHANCELLOR, Of the EXCHEQUER agreed in the,
'propriety of a further redinnerattein to the. librarian.
Mr. Serfet.tty PEEL. said that as the records alluded to were of.
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:the most vital importance to the history and literature of the come.'
try, they abpull be p:liettLin a place of proper secotity. With re-,
ipect. to SRuded to (Mr. Spieler), he, Mr. Secrtary
Peel; thoissiiitthat aprciper scutuneratiou should be provided for
hitns iisolithi't, at once,
thinsgt that. in addition to an increase of salary.
'assistance shonld ba alrorded to Mr. Spiller.
AtEIitCROM:ET said as óe public records of the country]
• were of the idea essential importance to the country and to the!
' history of the world in pinta. he hoped that they would forth
$ with tie placed in a situation of security.
. • Itti• MlAOlgilir• Mr. W. Sweat, and Mr. SPIUNCI Rica, severally
• said a few words, after which—
Mr. 14/.;MR asked what espease had been heurred by the
baildiag up and polling down of certain parts of Buckingham
Palace, and who-was rerforesible for tins proceeding ? The Minis-
ter of the then day was trusted, and this was another proof of the
, respOirsibßitr of a slltiister—(A Laugh). •
Mr. BA NI B$ was then about to read-An ektract.from the Re-
, port upon Public Buildings, when a conversation upon the point of
order arose between Mr. HiIInLILS, Sir R. COLIIIIGN; and Mr.
Mt:Les, and it was decided that the extract should not be read....
The Resolution was dice agreed to.
A grant of 7,0001. was then agreed to, for the purpose of carrying
on'the works in Port Patrick ;as also a grant of 8,0001. for carry-
ing on the works of . Donagleadee Harbour ; as also a sum of
, 911,0001, for the works of the Harbour of King George IV. at
Khsgatowu.

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Mr. DAWSON, in proposing a grant of .C 43,600 to the British
Museum, begged to account for the amount being larger this year
than the last. The library his Majesty placed at the disposal of
rarliatnent in 1823, required a number of officers to attend to it,
whose salaries, with the expense of binding, &c. amounted to
£4,100. :Ile salaries and other expenses had, during the last five
years, been paid out of the grant made for the building, which was,
not immediately wanted. Now, however, it became necessary to
pay the building bill, and it was for this the money was wanted.—
The-grant woad also be augn,entcd this year by an additional sum
for building, hat which would be the last.
Mr. HUME Wished to know whether the tibramt
Museur could tint attend to the new library, or whether ii-w
ifasbd
be necessary to keep op two establishments?
Mr. BANKES replied, that so large an addition or Bilishitio
quired an additional number of Librarians.
Mr. BRIGHT Mid, that the roocr. appropriated to tllsti liew
library was the most splendid thing of the kind be had ever
and did Milane to the country. He was glad to see at the Mtisdtini
two or three large rooms set apart for persons inclined to read,—
When be was diem last he Saw a large number of persona, dr both
sexes, engaged in the quietest and Most interesting manner priiiible.
The *Om was then agreed to.
A grant of E 4 000 was their proposed for building the offices,

• of the Privy Council.
Mr. HOME asked if this um was to complete the building ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that it was.
Sir M.W..RIDLEY said Be had reason to know that a most
enortuouseapenee had been incurred by the fornitureof that office.
He wished to know if Measures bad been taken to prevent a system
tinder which that had taken place froth being pursued farther?
Mr. BANKES said that the subject bad come under the con-
sideration of the ComMittee of Ptibfic Works, and measures had
beets taken to stop the extravagance Which was going on.
The vote was then agreed to.
Te tote next proposed was the sum of 180,0001. to defray the
expenses of repairing. Windsor Castle in the year 1828.
Mr. HUME wished to know what progress had' been
made in the wake, and when they were likely to be
completed? In the days of our prosperity, there Was
a Godsedd of 500,0001. which it was then stated would
be sufficient for the purposes of these repairs. Now
they had additional estimates, which, brought the
amount to 644,5001. and he wished to know if it was
expected that this sum would defray the whole expense?
If not, it was proper that they should have a satisfactory
and conclusive estimate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the Honourable Member was right in stating that
the first estimate was no higher than 500,0091. During
the progress of the 'works, however, it was dis-
Covered that in order to catry into effect what was
the express wish of Parliament, and what was necessary
to the honour of the country, namely, the mating a
suisable residence fur the Sovereign, the sum bf 641,5001.
Would be required. In addition to this, he thought it
but fair to o.e House and the country to state his belief
that a farther sum, of 50.0001. would be necessary,
making the whole 700.0001. Tnis large increise upon
the.original estimate was owing to the decayed state In
which the timbers of the building were found, and
which could not be known at the time when the esti-
mate was made. This greatly enhanced the expense;
as well as the unexpected difficulty of securing foun-
dation tot some parts of the repairs. He was convinced
that this was a case where, although the expense was
large, the result would prole that the money had beta
well employed, and would.be therefore most satisfac-
cozy.. It had not only provided a most convenient and
a truly regal Palace for the Monarch, but one which
wasjustly the piide of the cisitiltiy; arid lintst excite the
adititratiop 01 all fdreignefs who saw it. To any one
who (toasted the truth ot. Vihat he stated, 'he iciald Only;
desire them to repair to the spots and he was sure their
dosbts would be. temoved.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY said,.that the increased-4f 4th*
which' would be required hid'beencorrectliiti44l; yet
he couldlissure the Coniiiittee that no stone had been
touched with a stew of making any alterations iribich
had not be en contemplated hi the otiknot plait. The
tuiriteis thioughatt the building had b- if 'oiiiiil iu a
state which rendered it a Matter of iiiiir its thpt they
could Rave stood so long. In one room, where the
IC4inittee hid heal but a iiiitnight befi4e, the ceiling
rail in a iivi ciiiioHiO, idie.bot for Ai e4ipioiaiilag
illiiiii4t of 4iathiit. to" fOtie illiii: prop. it lip, it' vials
spoßt4ia iiiitifid*Blo of die norm 6+4 glii build-
in :emit 1814 clitti4, 441:fol. ' Wii!i iti;j.k; ih. fin_
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niTol4,*nd iiiithei'etikobe bad bee, u.sCuried Ai's% 'eta:
*etji iiidk iitia tieeh teri trei4yllittlr— 4,1 by
taiiii oioloki iiielj itfitto,.. iveo la dm' iiiii. labia%
froth tdilttiii Plan.. it friabiatirtesitifid ciiiiteir 1

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