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couilicera; going on, I consented that the Pipets-
loil'it&otre.forward to Knightsbridge, which
din to Hyde Park-corner. When we
got there, found the Park-gate obstructed with car-
riages, and also the end of Park-lane, to which I
advanced. I stopped there whilst the Commanding-
Officer of the Life Guards sent down to the Horse-
Guards for further orders. After I had been 'there
for some time, I was informed that the gates, which
were made fast, had been opened, and that the hearse
and carriages were proceeding through the Park. I
therefore turned into Down.street, and came up with
two or three of the carriages which preceded the
hearse. I got into the Park by Chesterfield-gate,
and overtook the other part of the Procession. As I
rode up the Park, I heard the report of pistols to-
wards Tyburn-turnpike. Before I got to Cumber-
land-gate those reports had ceased, and the Pioces-
sion was moving on to the Edgeware-road.—l saw
some pieces of timber and an iron post lying in the
road. They seemed to be placed there as an ob-
struction. I passed on with the Procession to the
Eigeware-road. I'know nothing of the affray at Cum-
berland-gate. The Riot Act was not read. The
military did not fire by my orders. Ido not know
that any other Magistrate directed them to fire. I
was sent up to Kensington in consequence of the ob-
struction that bad taken place there. The military
came out to assist the Civil Power, in consequence
of my orders. The Officer had a right to send to the
Horse Guards without my knowledge. I don't know
what the orders were that the Life Guard received.
But this is a point of military etiquette, I presume.
A Juror was about 'to ask a question relative to
the party from whoin Sir Robert had received his
orders, when
Mr. ADOLPHUS interfered. The question he consi-
dered to be one not proper to be put to the witness.
Mr. Blakie declared, that if the Learned Gentle-
man interfered in this way, it would be quite impos-
sible to proceed. Any irregularity was to be cor-
rected, and any information was to be derived by
the Jurors, from the Coroner, and not to be objected
to them in this way by a spectator. No doubt Mr.
Adolphus was aware of the well-known case of Res
v. Baron, I Geo. IV. there it was decided that no
Solicitor was to be admitted but upon courtesy to be
present at a sitting Inquest.
Mr. ADOLPH us contended that Counsel had a right
to be present, and that right he claimed as such, not
as a matter of favour. He meant to say that at all
Coroners Juries Counsel and Solicitors had a right
to be present, and he should interfere in a case of
this importance, where a legal irregularity might in
some degree affect the life, perhaps, of a man. At
the last Session but one at the Old Bailey, Mr. Baron
Garrow declared that evidence was taken in so loose
a manner before the Coroners' Inquests, that a great
deal was inserted as legal evidence which ought by
no means to appear. Without repeating his Lord-
ship's words, which were not complimentary to Juries
of the present description, he said that " a great deal
of irrelevant matter was put on record." The ques-
tion of the Juror was as to what quarter Sir Robert
Baker received his orders from ; and no Magistrate
was liable tote called upon for that information.—
This fact he (Mr. Adolphus) had suggested to the Ju-
ror in a low voice, not so as to interrupt him.
Sir Robert said that, in point of fact, the cornman-
der of the escort had the command of the route.—
The Procession moved on through Knightsbridge by
my consent. I did not order it in any way to pro-
ceed up through Hyde Park. I did not read the
Riot Act; and my reason was, because the only effect
—(1 suppose I should say that the last question al-
ludes to Kensington only ?)
Mr. Blakie.—l allude to every place that you had
cognizance of.
Witness.—The Riot Act was not read at all by me,
or to my knowledge ; because the effect of reading it
was to make it 4 capital felony for any persons to
remain cn the spot for one hour after it was read ;
and I had no intention of sitting for an hour in any
given place for that purpose. It was my object to
get the Procession along as quickly and as quietly
as possible.
By. Mr. AnotPuos.—The conducting of the escort
belonged to the Military Officer, and not to me. I
had no orders about it, excepting that when I came
to Kensington I was to take a route as near to the
one prescribed as I possibly could. There was an
-obstruction in Church-street, Kensington,when I came
there. There was an immense number of people
there, and everywhere else where I passed. Their
behaviour was disorderly, violent, and outrageous in
the extreme. As far as I had an opportunity of ob-
serving the conduct of the military, I thought it per-
fectly
good ; they were much insulted in my presence
by the populace. I saw a great many stones, and ,
mud, thrown at them. I was struck myself with
'mud. The soldiers, while I was present, chewed no
disposition to revenge that conduct ; but they endea-
voured to force the gates open by cutting at the peo-
;le either with the edges or the backs of their swords,
I don't know which. I had seen stones thrown at
them before they cut at the people at the gates.—
Certainly I had. I was on horseback all the time ;
and in Piccadilly I had some conversation with an
Officer of the Guards.
Did you say to that Officer, or any other, "I will
take upon myself to answer for all that may happen?"
The Foreman understood that no conversation was
to be allowed to be given in evidence. Mr. Adolphus
was breaking the rule.
Mr. ADOLPHUS explained that this was perfectly
necessary and regular—a witness had deposed to such
a fact ; and it was essential to ask the question of Sir
11.. Baker, otherwise the first Witness would remain
totally uncontradicted.
Witness.—l did not use the expression, "If any
thing should be done, or should happen ;" but the
words that I did use were these—" I will take upon
myself the responsibility of deviating from the route,
if it be necessary."
Mr. WAITHMAN said, that the impression on his
mind, as to the evidence of one or two of the wit-
nesses, particularly Greig and another war, that they
used the word " responsibility."
Mr. ADOLPH US admitted, that though he was read-
ing from the short-hand writer's notes, that was not
evidence which was to govern the Court; therefore
he would not contend for that.
The CORONER referred to Crowley's evidence, from
which it did appear, that Sir Robert B.4ker said, "he
would take it upon himself...

A hirer (Mr. Gall) referreti to Gre;g's evidence,
which was also turned to by the Coroner ; and from
that it appeared that the conversation deposed to by
dist witness was in substance correct.
Sir Robert Baker.—l do not know Mr. Greig:
there was a person on horseback, who was particu-
larly anxious about the Procession going through the
City, and who frequently came up and addressed
me. I did not tell him that I thought we should be
obliged to go through the City ; and that if we did
so,
_we must pass down St. James's-street and Pall-
mall, as it was market-day in the Haymarket, and
that place would be blocked up with carts. Ido not
recollect his sayiag anything about Mr. Alderman
Waithman or Lord Hood, or giving him any autho-
rity to go and tell them. I must further explain, for
not recollecting precisely the words I may have used,
that at• the times this person addressed me, there
were generally five or six other persons talking to me
at the same Moment, and on all sides. What I said
(according to the evidence of Greig) about Carlton-
house to this person, desiring. the exertion of his in-
fluence to prevent any insulting
.demonstrations be-
fore it, is perfectly correct. The intended line of the
Procession was not altered at any time by the free
will of the persons appointed to conduct it, but in
obedience to a force which I could not resist, with
out (in my judgment) occasioning a serious danger
and injury, as well to the soldiers as to the crowds
who were collected, and to the parties attending the
Funeral; many of whom were females, and had been
shut up for hours in carriages, in a state of alai m.
By a Juror.—The Procession was turned into the
Park without my knowledge. We were then stopping
for further orders. I had given my consent to go
through the City, if the other route was not practicable.
By another Juror.—l have no reason to know, of
my own knowledge, either that a person was dis- I
patched for further orders to the Life Guards, or
that any one returned from thence with them. The
Commanding
.Officer said he had sent a man, and I
cannot doubt it.
By another Juror.—When I arrived at Kensing-
ton, I considered that it was my duty to lead the
Procession as near the prescribed route as possible,
and that I Was accountable for any deviation from it.
My consenting that the Procession should go another
way, and not the one prescribed, arose from my ap-
prehension of danger. I did communicate that ap-
prehension (as I apprehend) to the Commander of
the escort. I received no. particular answer that I
remember to that communication ; but I understood
that he was willing to go any way that I should di-
rect. The name of the Officer, whom I considered
to be the Commander, is, I believe, Captain Bou-
eerie. I. did not know him before; Ido not know
him now ; I understand that is hisiiame.
Juror.—l understand you to say the Officer con-
sented to go another route, and not the route origi-
nally prescribed. That being the case, do you not
consider that any person who obstructed the line you
last prescribed was disturbing the public peace?
Witness.—l had prescribed no line. I wished a
route to be taken as near as possible to that prescribed.
I saw nothing of the affray near Cumberland-gate.
By the Foreman.—When I came up, the gates at
Hyde Park Corner were obstructed; whether they
were shut or no, I could not see.
Sir Robert Baker's evidence was then read over
to him; after which he corrected that part et it which
referred to the Officer of the guard. He said his
evidence was, that he did not know what the orders
of the Officer were originally ; but he afterwards
learned what orders had been given to him. He
told me his orders were peremptory to keep the pre-
scribed route.
By a Juror.—Was it the soldiers or the people who
turned the Procession into the Park ?—I do not know.
It vi as done without my knowledge. Ido not know
whether it was either, as the whole was without my
knowledge.
By a Juror.—Did you consider yourself at liberty
to send for more soldiers, if necessary ?—Yes.
Sir Robert Baker then signed his deposition and
withdrew.
The For eman.—Before Colonel Cavendish is called,
I think it necessary to state, that the two soldiers for
whom summonses were issued (Corporal Haywood
and another) cannot be found, and I shall move that,
before we rise, fresh summonses shall be issued, that
they may be here at our next meeting.
Lieutenant-Colonel Cavendish was next called and
sworn.—My name is Henry Frederick Compton Ca-
vendish. I live at Hyde Park Barracks; I am a
Lieutenant-Colonel in the Life Guards.
CORONER.—Do you know anything of the death of
Richard Honey ?—By report, I do ; but not of my
own knowledge.
CortoNee.--Does any of the Gentlemen of the
Jury wish to ask Colonel Cavendish a question?
A Juror.—Pray, Sir, who commanded the detach-
ment of the Life Guards on the 14th instant?—Cap-
tain Oakes had the chief command.
What subalterns had he under his command?—
Lieutenant Story and Sub-Lieutenant Hall.
Another Juror.--There were some detachments be-
sides tirese?—Yes ; there were four.
Was there one under the command of Lieutenant
Terry ?—There was.
Do you know where that was stationed ?—At
Kensington Park-gate. I rather think I should have
said there were four detachments, besides that un-
der Lieutenant Terry. All the detachments went
out at the same time.
Do you know the station of each?—l do.
Who commanded at Hyde Park-gate?—A corporal.
Who at Cumberland-gate ?—Lieutenant Gore.
How many men did that detachment consist of
under Lieutenant Gore ?--Twelve or thirteen.
Were there any corporals ?—They *ere included,
twelve or thirteen besides the Officer.
Who commanded at Stanhope-street-a-
corporal.
Who at Grosvenor-gate?—Another corporal.
Was there any Officer assisting Lieutenant Terry ?
—None to my knowledge : none sent out of the
Barracks.
Was there any Officer to assist Lieutenant Gore at
Cumberlandlate?—None. (The Colonel added, I
wish to say, m order to be correct, there were, as I
believe, a trumpeter and corporal included in the de-
tachment I spoke of.)
Another Juror.—l with to know whether Lieute-
nant Terry remained at Kensington-gate, or was he on
an other duty?—He was on other duty that morning.
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was?—l have no objection. I sent him. on a message
down to Captain Oakes.
Where was Captain Oakes then 2—He was in Pic-
cadilly, near Hyde Park-corner, at least that is where
I sent to find him.
COnowen. —Where you expected he was ?—Yes.
Foreman.—Do you know the name of the trum-
peter who was out with Lieutenant Gore on that
day ?—No, I do not know ; and therefore I should
not like to mention any name.
Another Juror.—He belongs to the H troop, and
you must know ?—I do not know.
Foreman.—Do you know whether Hyde Park-
corner-gate was shut when the troops went down?—
' do not.
Do you know whether orders were given to the
Officers on that day to act under the Civil Power?—
I do: they went out for that purpose. The first
three Officers.
Do you know whether Lieutenant Gore had pistols
with him on that day ?—I don't know for certain : 1
heard he had not, on inquiry.
Do you know whether he had any lent him on that
day ?--I can't say.
What sort of a man is Lieutenant Gore 2-11 e is a
young man, rather tall.
Is he light or dark ?—Dark I should rather say.
By a Juror.—ls his hair light or dark?—Much
the colour of your own. (The colour of the Juror's
(Mr. Blakie's)—ratht r of a brown colour).
Is Lieutenant Gore perfectly qualified to carry
pistols ?—Perfectly so.
Do you know how long Lieutenant Gore has been
dismissed from his riding master ?—I do not know:
he was so before I joined the regiment.
Do you know if the name of the trumpeter of the
troop is Farmer 2-1 don't know.
Have you a trumpeter of that name?—l can't say;
I have only been with the Regiment three weeks or
a month. I don't know the names of the trumpeters.
I joined the Regiment on the day of the Coronation.
Examined .by Mr. ADoLerius.—l saw the most of
the detachment go out on the 14th ; they were in good
spirits, and appeared in perfect health. They were
clean and well accoutred. I saw them on their re-
turn. There were 36 of them went to the Hospital,
and eight, I believe, remained ; but I can't exactly
say to this. The men were covered with mud and
dirt. I know the number of men wounded by the
official report which the surgeon made to me. Those
eight men were absent from the next parade in con-
sequence of their wounds. I-saw the horse,: one of
them was cut under the throat, apparently with a
knife, or some sharp instrument.
You know Lieutenant Gore: is he perfectly qua-
lified as an Officer ?-1 have not much knowledge of
Lieutenant Gore. As far as I know, he is.
Here this kind of question was objected to.
Mr. ADOLPHus contended that a professional man
might be asked that which concerned his profession.
The Foreman said, that the Coroner seemed to
have transferred his authority to Mr. Adolphus, and
he*.protested against his laying down rules for the Jury.
Mr. ADOLPHUS said, he ought to have addressed
himself to the Coroner on one occasion, and he would
do so in future; but he was not conscious of any
farther deviation from his duty.
Mr. WAITHMAN contended, that the question was
onz which ought not to be pressed. If Colonel Ca-
vendish did not think Lieutenant Gore fully qualified,
the question would place him in a very delicate si-
tuation.—The question, after a good deal of discus-
sion, was not pressed.
A Juror asked whether it was not likely that one
soldier, in the confusion of the moment, might not
have cut the horse of another with his sabre?
The CORONER asked, how could Colonel Cavendish
tell exactly ? It might be so, no doubt.
The Juror.—Mr. Coroner, you are our father; and
like all fathers that have many children, you are a
little more partial to some than to others.
After some short discussion, the question was al-
lowed to be put, and Colonel Cavendish answered,
that it was possible, no doubt, that the cut in the
horse's neck might have been given by the sword of
a soldier, but it was extremely improbable.
By a juror.—The Officers on the 14th went out, as
is usdal, on field-day orders. They might, with those
orders, carry pistols or not ; sometimes they are or-
dered to carry them. They had field-day orders on
the 14th.
By Mr. ADOLPHUS.—When Lieutenant Gore was
sent out, it was to take charge of one of the Park-
gates, without any express reference to the Civil
Power. It heal no reference to the Civil Power.
By the Foreman.—Ball cartridges were given out
to the troops on the 14th, in the same way as on all.
occasions where they go out to assist the Civil Power.
I ordered them to be accoutred in every respect as
they usually are on such occasions. I was not present
when the ammunition was given out. I don't know
whether Lieut. Gore got any ammunition that day.
In answer to a Juror.—l have said that Captain
Oakes and Lieutenant Terry went out to assist the
Civil Power ; but that the other Officers proceeded,
by orders from the Horse Guards, to take possession
of the different gates.
Mr. Brown.—lt is an extraordinary thing that a
detachment of two corporals and ten men should go
out, and yet their names be unknown.
Colonel Cavendish.—l do not know the names of
the men.
Mr. Brown.—But you can tell how we can get at
the names. We sit here to inquire into the circum-
stances under which the King has lost a subject ; and
we should ill discharge our duty if we did not inves:
tigate the matter clearly. The law gives us ample
power for that purpose.
Colonel Cavendish.—l could procure a list ; but I
will not answer for its correctness.
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• Colonel Cavendish.—The Adjutant is the most
likely person.
A Juror.—He has been applied to already, and has
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W w observed that no Gentleman had
Mr. AlTHmik
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request of the worthy Juryman was of a most extra-
the
ordinary description.
Mr. Caife, a Juror.—The best way, perhaps, van
be to summon the whole of the detachment who were
at Cumberland-gate on that day. Every obstacle is
thrown in our way. lam not surprised that private
soldiers should give us trouble by their unwillingness
to answer questions, but it is really extraordinary
that their superiors should pursue the same course.
The Foreman.—lt is under consideration to sum.
mon the detachment. Obstacles are thrown in our
way, but if we sit for a twelvemonth, we will probe
the matter to the bottom.
Mr. Brown.—We have legal Gentlemen atrioneir
us, but they are employed on one side. They have
sent one of the most learned men in the country to
attend on this Inquest, and I am sure, if we were
not the most good-humoured, he would not hive
been suffered to remain so long. We must apply to
the Ring to afford us Counsel. It certainly is his •
cause, for he has lost a subject.
Here the evidence of Colonel Cavendish was real
over to him. Prior to his signing his depo;l:ion i:e
stated, in answer to a question put by Mr. Caife, th.lt
the horse which was brought to the barracks wounded
had been ridden by corporal Forge.
Mr. Blakie.—Colonel Cavenwsn, before von lease
the room I cannot refrain from nlaking known to
you the unworthy conduct of a part of your regiment
stationed at a gate leading into the barracks. Men,
as Jurors, we went there, we were violently assaulted
and grossly insulted by the soldiers. For myself and
my fellow Jurymen, I protest against this unlawful
conduct ; and I beg that you will make known to the
individuals who thus behaved, that we are duly sea.
sible of the outrageous obstruction which they op-
posed to us ; and that we will keep it long, very long,
in remembrance.
The Foreman.—l believe you speak the unanimous
sentiments of the Jury.
Mr. Caife.—Colonel Cavendish was present, and
ordered the men to do their duty.
Mr. Blakie.—Yes; and they did their duty by cut-
ting my mouth.
Colonel Cavendish.—l cannot answer to these
matters. lam summoned to speak to the death of
Richard Honey. •
Mr. Caife.—The inspection I allude to related very
essentially to the death of Honey.
Colonel Cavendish.—l wish to know whether the
Jury will want me again? I have particular business
in Derbyshire, where I would have gone Otis morn-
ing, had I not received the summons to attend here,
which did not reach me until within half an hour be.
fore I came here.
Mr. Caife.—Your being again wanted depends on
circumstances. We cannot guarantee that your pre-
sence will not hereafter be required.
Colonel Cavendish.—l shall be in town on Sam.. -
day, and if I am wanted, I hope a sufficient notice
will be given to me.
The Foreman.—Undoubtedly you shall receive suf.
ficient notice.
Margaret nate, of No. 2, Great Cumberland. .
street, a servant to Mrs. Dorset.—Saw some soldiers
come through Cumberland-gate, and one of fielt
horses fall. Saw the hearse come through the gate; tie
the mob turned the heads of the horses towards 1,
St. Giles's, and the soldiers turned them back again
to the Edgeware-road. I saw the mob throw stones
at the soldiers, and the soldiers cut at them with their
swords, but was not near enough to see if any were
hurt. Did not see any of the soldiers fire. The sol-
dier who fired had a red coat on. I saw nothing
thrown at the soldiers.
By Mr. ADOLPHUS.—WiII you undertake to swear
that nothing was thrown.
A Juror objected to this question as unfair.
Mr. ADOLPHUS contended it was a proper question.
Several of the Jury objected to Mr. Adolphus put-
ting any questions, and contended that lie had no
right to be present.
Mr. ADOLPHUs contended he had a right tobe there.
One of the Jury said they could conduct the inquiry
and decide conscientiously without his assistance.
Mr.ADOLPHus.—I have no doubt that you will dio
charge your duty, and discharge it conscientiously.
A Juror (Mr. Blakie) wished to know if Mr. Adel-
phus had any authority to attend, or right to be here?
The CORONER thought Mr. Adolphus ought to be
allowed to put such questions as would tend to pro-
mote the ends of justice. One Gentleman had bees
permitted to put questions, and why should not Ma
Adolphus ?
Mr. WAITHMAN said, he had attended for a party.
Mr. Adolphus did not state for whom he appeared.
Mr. ADOLPHUS said, he appeared for the parties
for which Mr. Hanson had appeared. He was yre-
pared to contend for his right to be present; but
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not wish to go into that argument now.
One of the Jury wisbed to adjourn and take Court-
sd's opinion as to the right Mr. Adolphus had to be
present and to ask questions.
The CORONER said, Mr. Adolphus certainly had a
right to be here and to ask questions. The duty of
the Jury was to inquire temperately into the cause of
Richard Honey's death. They were not to seek the
verdict of Wilful Murder against any particular in-
dividual.
J. Brown, lives at No. 2, Great Cumberland.street,
is butler to Mrs. Dawson; was in the balcony, SO ,
soldiers before the funeral came up, they were riding.
about; and I saw a tall thin person riding about, and
giving them orders. When the funeral approached,
there was a great contest between the people andth.e
soldiers, the people having closed the gate, and the
soldiers attempting to get it open. At length tl
hearse came through the gate, and the people 21:
tempted to turn it down Oxford-street ; and at nee.
time, I thought. they would have succeeded, the.
horses were turned, some one way and some anoti.te
I saw the tall thin Gentleman riding and giving w
soldiers orders, but I do not believe I should keol
him again; when the hearse was turned, I heard cities,
of " Murder !" and immediately after, firing;
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soon after a man was brought by on a shutte:,
there were great cries of " Murder ! shame.
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man was taken through the gate, and I saw no.
of it. The mob dispersed different ways, and
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neral went on quietly. I saw no stones throlvr.:
about twenty minutes before the hearse came b
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did not see any person fire. When the sold. 11,
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tempted to open the gate there was a cry Vof
murder! and butchers!" and stones were thro