The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1839-05-21 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS.

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A special meeting of the Town-council was held on
morning, at eleven o'clock, for the purpose of nomb'cl'oi
gentleman to be recommended to her Majesty's 13';;ble
Secretary of State for. the Home Department, as a' citable
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person to fill the office of stipendiary magistrate for the
rough of Liverpool, vacant by the resignation of Mr' eati
Two:thirds of the councillors were not present until tic Ji•
minutes past eleven, at which time the reporters were
mitted.
The MAYOR briefly stated the nature of the busine" te' f.c)er.
the transaction of which the council had been called
ther, and then read the following letter :
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" Sir,—l beg to acquaint you, for
council, that in consequence of my appointment to the c'',:4
of police magistrate in London, it becomes my duty to rep
my situation of stipendiary magistrate for the hott of
Liverpool, and I have therefore to communicate the
such resignation to you. otnhdeonin,
fit:111041 40,n149irt.
" I am, sir, with respect, your very obedient serveer'l,.
" THOMAS JAMSS 11.41'

"To the Mayor of Liverpool." 7 ---7 140
Mr. W. W. CURRIE rose to nominate a gene'
he was interrupted by „pro°
Alderman SHEIL, who suggested that, before. an! Y„-iolg•
was proposed, it would be advisable to read over tlle naiad
tions passed by the council, onthe subject of the sol'e”olis
magistracy, as, in his opinion, it would be invidious to
any alteration after an individual had been selected.
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Mr. CURRIE had no objection whatever to the Cour)" I
posed. Josol
The TOWN-CLERK read the resolution of the 6th of
ary, 1836, which stated that, in the opinion of the
.he jai.
it was desirable that a salaried police magistrate for,ooolol
rough of Liverpool should be appointed, and that tit'
annum should be paid to the said magistrate, heZ,:, to the
quired, if necessary, to devote the whole of his bill
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discharge of his duties, and not to be allowed to ad alie. wbe
sel at either the assizes or the sessions, though not de'
debarred from chamber practice. Another resolutOrdtbit
siding that a police magistrate should be appointed, 0;f the,
a salary of £lOOO a year should be paid to him, °treats'
borough fund, was next read • after which came theeae°
tion of the 6th of April, 1836;deciding that, in oll'aWatro
of the additional -duties devolved upon the police ra, art,
by the transference of the dock business to the polic_S.ato
the salary of the' stipendiary magistrate should bor°'"
£l3OO per annum. add 01,,,
Mr. CuRRIE again rose to nominate a gentleman, -boat t"'
having lamented the absence of Mr. Rathbone, onwth t tlO
duty would have more properly devolved, he stated, a asdle;
office of police magistrate was vacant, and that heifb-10101
rity to say that Mr. Hall had ceased to belong to t
He commenced eulogising the character of the 10l
whom he *as about to propose, when .
Mr. T. CASE proposed that, before any gentlen°ll ir°
named, the salary should be fixed.ct
The MAYOR thought it would be more advisable laded
the man first, because the salary might perhaps he al
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pendent on the talent and character of the 'natl. ' -,isiboog"
Mr. T. HARVEY dissented from that view, an" .
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that such a course would be invidious. Arst ruP-
Mr. CURRIE observed that, as this was not the ;-,,,
W Ole,
a stipendiary magistrate had been nominated, ao"F
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was already a salary attached to the situation, he "-
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no impropriety in naming a gentleman. la be of
Mr. JOHN SMITH thought that the stipend shou ;,,,i
fixed, because to name the individual first, and the 070.
afterwards, would look like suiting the stipend to the obe'
Alderman SHEIL wished to know from Mr. Cure
ther he had authority to propose the gentlemen becoOch
view without reference to salary. • Suppose the whia.
thought right to fix a much lower salary than the °itieto If
had been previously paid, was Mr. Currie authorise die,"
pose his man. He (Alderman Sheil) thought thsiose ?era
per way would be to fix the salary first, and then,wh, pat''
sons who were willing to accept the office might
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nomination. s' Sanbe
Mr. BOLTON thought the question of Aldernaa°4to,,
improper one ; but he suggested that, to put amen tOl w
matter, Mr Currie should withdraw his nomination
salary had been settled. tiOef'
Mr. T. CASE begged leave to move in the firat lostbst
" That it is the opinion of this council it is neeessgri
stipendiary magistrate should be appointed. an 'ler
The motion was seconded by Mr. JOHN SMITOt ."-
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nimously adopted. d $ d
Mr. JOSEPH HORNBY said that he held in his.fhatbser%,
tion which he thought should have been first. neisboOc;
that the duties of the stipendiary magistrate were.af r.,,i
and constant, and he thought that the salary alre'ansilllii,
was not more than sufficient to remunerate a lII° 'lsola
to discharge the duties. He had therefore great Piliffora le
moving that " The sum of £l3OO per annum be A.,,j, tille,t
the salary of the police magistrate ; that he devote t7s;tl''t,
Of his time, if requisite, to the discharge of his dui° ~po°,
he be not allowed to hold any other profesSion,_al 111501$.e;:
went, not to attend as counsel in parliament, at tit cbr'
or at the sessions, but that he be not restricted fre.."
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ber practice." ~,.. de Ailti
Mr. BLACKBURN had great pleasure in seconroaa.aisiv,,i
tion, and without the slightest' reference to the Illt trovof
who might be appointed. He did it on the distinefristerh?
that £l3OO a-year was not too much to give to a be' tillob(t
five years' standing for the education and talent Or,
must bring to the discharge.Of the duties of the olfiehei ge%,
ought to give a liberal salary, in order. that they Irti,,,gt be°
the services of a fit and properlficlividual, and 11— i 0
ject to changes. - , , itre'di,
Mr. ISAAC HOLMES said that there was a largecon'ar
the Corporation accounts for taking, the • opinion .for thea
and he wished to know whether that could not,f thed,.2l
tare, be done away with by increasing the salarl.a,aoan,
pendiary.magistrate to £l5OOO, and taking his oPl"tnetw'ai
all occasions. (Laughter.) They would thus saLe tes) °la
Mr. T. CASE said his friend (Mr. I. 0%0. at
talking of increasing the salary to the extent of '''', froromoi
begged to ask whether the additional duties, aris°' ojo;er
docks, were now as great as in 1836, when it had rei3oo, ''bos
necessary to increase the stipend from £lOOO to .7.' g te,,eo
haps the town-clerk would have the goodness t°,llaorty
that information. He understood that the rloen'aio
had been considerably reduced. If so,' the plea 00 - 40
salary had been increased now no longer existed. the y
The TOWN-CLERK replied that, in his opini°,'l'the ‘lll,ao
busiuses had increased ; but, on the other hallo, -pa It
under the by-laws had increased, and-new business t ge,
thrown on the magistrate by the summary ejeeti°eAsa
was probable, however, that, on the whole, then"
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a decrease in the duties rather than an increase. maile'io
acto Mr. T. Casa thought that £l5OO a year was chrivar
allowance, because a gentleman of the highest - to for
his profession- ought to be selected. He would. va .ibt
resolution. - . • ia doll litli
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Mr. COOPER said that he should not be doing i'as,(oos•,a.
voted for so large a salary. lie thought that a Aatyse"ifersla
was quite sufficient for the duties which bad to he ,1,),ae,, of
by any* Man holding the office of police niarl;e'ice°;ol;
wished to know whether any public body had reOOV
communication from. Mr. Hall as to the cause of b.OO L.
tion. If so, the council ought to be put in posses use 'loci,
information ; they ought to know'what was the e ,
ablS,,a
had induced the resignation of a man who bad s° Ws'',
the situation, before-they nominated his successor..
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conclude by moving that the salary of the stipends ' ati
tratc be £lOOO. res,o
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The MAYOR replied to Mr. Cooper, that=the Dull
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given by Mr. Hall, for his resignation was that -aiaJr. as.
the letter which had been read, namely, that he ' 114110
had been appointed a police magistrate in Londoll'ocotilf
mayor) believed that Mr. Hall's salary in Loudellato'
£1200: blithe understood that Mr. Halk
Liverpool. -„t ~,is7
for ''ll'7
The TOWN-CLERK stated that the member 00,-/
ward (Mr. L Holmes) was mistaken when he ,sll„Pl'ile rea't
£2OO a year would be saved by the course ichle„-,,a1., se,-.
meended. Not onertenth of that sum would he s'-„:411'.4g
occasions arose which rendered it necessary to e°';:itf` ,
fessionai men he hid felt himself under the nece-- ft'
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plying to a gentleman in the metropolis. 410°,11'4,
M. CURRIE said that, without knowing ari) re- Or
private reason's. which had induced Mr. Han to toDeof,
might mention that there were these obvious fact," lOtt A
sidered. M. Hall had gone to London, where t.'ne aoi:wetjr
ceive 11200 a year, and where he would have the; WO;
of two colleagues. The three divided the (1‘1,11::,i14, OT
them, so that Mr.. Hall might calculate on oe'tineo' ',lir
preferred 1 j
months of the year to himself, instead of being c°P,or.t,i,bridj
Liverpool the whole year round in the police, for
Hall also has a son in London who is studying i'iair.
and he (Mr. Currie) h ail for many years heard lillo,'oo,,ktir
lament that he was deprived of the society of tho,ti air;
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Mr. COOPER professed himself quite satisljeet t ,1
explanation, and withdrew his motion with resl. ' wos,'l4
salary.
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Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said it was probable tiolt a.- Yet
not find any one to agree with him in opinion,stoteipo.tj
not refrain from suggesting that the police nuti'',„aes'i°o4.
crpool should have a colleague. It was his rta,,,rAr eamothety
they might get two excellent lawyers for .-650 a. 'i-eas !) 0.4,
the division of the duty would not only inake!t,„aag,,,,,,r
some to themselves, bat would be a great su'oe ) r eij
public. There was at present a great delay in.oo,:coli:,,
room.: Many persons summoned there had to wv•iiiiairis li.,
hour before their cases could be he heard ; awl he lira
e3f.‘ttA.
refrained fronilaYing many informations arkiThe ail&
and others on account of the inconvenience thal • , if
been 9 V
been neeess:arilOsubjected to it' he had laidtho:o ito
not prepared with any motion ; but he was sere s
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were two police courts, there would be a greater 3°`
business, and much time sred. -ttss' lf.
- Alderman EARLE.—It would never do. jingo ;,0f,',11,
be wanted in both courts at the same time. ntio' li•
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pre.
rLoans stir;
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dth, atthlai et would
tsheecyo ondp
ptlg...,rtnei,yi alribo..:j2e: .t;
three years ago, 1:1000 a-year was thought nr:tigi,:veF'll(
It was not then known to what extent iris 6,1-t0 h', j 111? f.
carried, and though it would have been wroec „ero.-`4O
him additional labour without additional rerqbee;ll4 v`ii.i
thought that now, when the extent of duty ..,1: hav,i,(0,,,,t
tamed, £lOOO a-year was an ample salary•-;,.iniPe'r
explained to Mr. Lassell tht4 Mr. Cooper boo ' er ad p'
motion, he said that he was sorry that IVIr• C(Wolf the of a$
so, and he should beg to move that the sahul 40e0boo'
diary' magistrate be £lOOO a-year. The lA, Ke
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police-court did not occupy more than tour °r:tator .1'
day, and the magistrate was allowed chamber P.asy- • of
Alderman EARI.E.—Four or five 110,1" 3 all,'"
enough too, in a stinking room like that. „.,q1:, I.11:0
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pno;liathio:101.1)(104
Mr. V. HIGGE•cs seconded the motion
said that in Manchester, where the
50,000 to 100,000 more than in this boro"g ,aice ace'a
there was, consequently, a greater amount of PA',„ lll''
to be transacted, the salary was only £lOOO- tVg el
gistrate out of London received more, and lie
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sum quite sufficient for the duty that was to be oat oce 01J
Mr. T. HARVEY was quite *satisfied, frow ',aerie ,11,;,1)
of lawyers, that they could not 'get adequate ear. 11:ea.°"'
talent unless they offered £l2OO or £l3OO a -Ye°' 'a ,- r
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say £l3OO, and he thought that this was 0' - as' so
they should try how low they could go. rveY'folif '41i1,,
Alderman EARLE quite agreed with Mr. "-.tied '- Pi
rtl tile
dered that certain gentlemen had not ads'e
who would take the situation at the lowest O%) for rt.];
Mr. BOLTON thought £l3OO a reasonable ,t 2 ,iOl
pendiary magistrate's salary. loot '''' vs.
Mr. T. HARVEY.—His chamber practice e. ta,/
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a farthing. 5 theloatais
The vote on Mr. Lassell's amendment Nr°Bs fall I,OP LI,
It was negatived by 33 to 9. The voting wrgoinies„,
For the amendment : Councillors--Isaae i.." J. ' ll'
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Shand, J. Cooper, J. N. Wood, W. Lasse ~.,,,Oitill'
Ramsden. Aldermen—R. Shell, T.
Against it: Councillors—J. Heywortl),4*,,, Oirobltilek'
Houghton, W. Thornhill, W. Preston, T. ' 'J • ‘' 0' 'o'
Holt. ~ ilovvy,
J. Mellor, H. Holmes, T. Bolton, E. Pilche.nvev, 'ft', iVoa
J. Priestley, J. Woollright, J. Bibby,.T. H'rj, platft. ;,,
burn, J. Mason, E. Segar, G. H. LaNi'renclornb):;, 0, Y
Duncan, W. W. Currie. Aldermen—J.,l;„o, 1: , 40Y
kell, G. Holt, R. Berm, W. Earle, E., r"1".- ~-.: P.'"Oc'
May ton, v ; ire 1,
clay, T. Bulley, E. Harvey, and the
Absent: Councillors—D. HodgsOn, J• el3ar C. I'4olV'
land, Thos. Sands, R. Bright, W. Itathbort GiLttl'crol .1'
J. Lawrence, T. Brocklebank, J. Carson,r-r„ J.jopef'
Morecroft, T.Coglan, J. S. Leigh, -F.J°c. 0' 1(11/6
jun. Alde'rmen—T, Booth, T. Leathoin, ,
shod s
Moon, 'W. P. Freme. gilt rY Dic.l3',l°
The motion that the police magistrate
after %Cop 1,1
be £l3OO a-year, was then put, and carrie,:,,d'n, fie,,„ 0.10/11,00'
Mr. CURRIE proceeded with his uortlirlaSen ell°l2o frge,°;;
not sorry for the interruption which had t;_ ~,,e trine a;„ti
had not_suppozed that thesalary existed ~ be proP.eptst:a,
not have proposed the man. Ile beggeti„
,L.'sjoal,'rofls,
tieman known to them all, whose Fr'`). 0-"irE'l'f.r'
stood 'vii -h—whose •general character was alsojet,p tote bip , A
—a man of strong common sense, Of ;_F;;':„c,C. 034, if
of better heart, and a man who, wkoeY');*,: 1/'
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inns, suffered thew to be guided WWII Dot r
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