Star.
London, England, 1828-07-15 00:00:00

STATE OF IRELAND.

• Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose to state, with refer-
ence to his notice, which stood on the Orders for
Thursday, that knowing the great difficulty. at this
late period of the Session, of procuring such a lull
attendance of Members as the great importance of
the subject required, and being likewise persuaded
that the actual advisers of the Crown and those in
high stations could not be insensible of the awful re-
sponsibility which the present state of Ireland imposed
en them, he felt inclined, on the whole, to leave the
question to that responsibility, and therefore he should
withdraw the notice.

CUSTOMS' BILL.
Oa the motion of Mr. Comics:tar, the further consideration of
the Report of the Customs Bill was resumed.
Mr. FYLER complained of the change that had been made in
this Bill to the injury of the Silk Trade, by substituting the odes-
/wan duty of thirty per cent. for the rated scale now in use. This
was peculiarly unfair after the declaration of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, and more
especially as no notice had been given to the Manufacturers of
Macciesield and SpitalSelds, who justly felt aggrieved.
Mt. COURTENAY moved that the Amendments be agreed to.
Mr. FYLER moved, that the words—" As herein after ex-
opted " stand part of the clause.
Sir. W. WYNN did not china the proposed alteration could be I
made without re-committing the BilL It was a delicate question,
however, and required consideration.
The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to a
change its the present charge of duty.
The SPEAKER observed, that if the proposed Amendment
went to alter the rate of duty, it could not be made without re-
committing the Bill.
After a kw words from Mr. T. P. COUILTIMAT. the Brasses
(who was so hoarse as to be scarcely audible in the Gallery), Mr.
C. GLANT, and the Cumoccu.oaof the EXCIIIIQCZ/Lr

Mr. P. THOMSON entered into a calculation, showing that the
rateable duty imposed on East India Silks amounted, on an average,
to from 50.. to 555. per cent.
Mr. BRIGHT thought it would be best to re-commit the Bill,
as he thought the silk traders in this country had been taken by
sorgese by the recently proposed measure.
SPEAKER again observed, that if the proposed alteration
did not affect the lettax of the law, and only applied to the Beaus-
floss of the market, then it might be proposed ; if not, it would be
necessary to re-commit the clause.
Mr. Secretary PEEL thought, that if any doubt existed en the
point, the safest course would be to recommit the dm.
Mr. YLER moved that the clause be re-committed.
The SPEAKER put the question.
lir. W. W. WYN N wished to know, whether the clause itself,
or the whole Bill, was to be re-committed?
The SPEAKER said, the clause only.
Mr. HUSKISSON observed, chat when it was pro-
posed to impose an ad valorem. duty on East India silks,
they were told that it Would be difficult to fix that duty,
owing to the ignorance of those by whom the value of
the article was to be ascertained. It was then deter-
mined to adopt a rate of duty founded as nearly as pos-
sible on the scale cf 30 per cent. and this experiment

was to be continued fur two years; at the expiration i f
which, in October this year, the ad valorem duty of 30
per cent. was to be again imposed. Alterations having,
however, taken place, it was determined to continue the
rate of nuty for another year; and under this pledge,
no doubt, considerable orders had been sent out, which,
considering the di-tance, must be productive of great
injuries to the parties, if that understanding were not to
be verified. He begged to caution the Right Honethe
Vice President of the Board of Trade against allowing
himself to be persuaded by certain branches of trade;
it he did this, lie would never be able to carry any great
measure, a' he would be continually requested to open
all other branches as freely as possible, but to give the
particular applicant a decided monopoly—(Heat).
Mr. T. P. COURTENAY assured his Right Hon.
Friend that nothing was more distant from his thoughts
than a desire to depart from the system adopted by his
Right Hnn. Friend. But he certainly was anxious to
re-commit this clause of the Bill on the grounds stated
by his Hon. Friend.
_ .

- • Mr. C. GRANT explained.
Mr. BRIGHT thought that as the silk trade bad been assured
tbat no alteration was to take place this year, piddle taith mien to
be kept with dam.
Mr. ROBINSON said be should tote for the re-commitotowt of
the clause.
Mr. R. GRANT observed, that the pledge alluded
to by the Hon. Member was given by ibe Act of fat
liament passed in 1826. He always fek the greatest
indignation at the legislation which was adopted towards
India—and it would not requite, in his opinion, a 'mil%
case to be made out to induce him to support any mea-
sure for the relief of India.

The House 'ben divided—
Noes
A7c.

Majority
The Bill was then re-committed.

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Mr. FERGUSON, on our fettrfitall the gallery.
addressing the House on the hero duties 61111pobed in
India on the English and totelsti liods,* contended
that whatever advantage tetra) Niue to the be-
nefit and relief of India* dlorimerchiegh be readily
conferred. He cons that the -Ved a on silks
imported from India . to take place, ably to
the pledge which had given, to thine /in cent.
Parliament was pledge*, indeed, to permit the Bill 'to
expire in October, 16285 i) Yen large orders were given
as the assurance that the stet would expne in October,

.1828, and that the duty of thirty per cent. would acme
into force. He thought it unfair to disappoint those
expectations which had been held out.
. :
M. r. F YL E
thatß siatidw,atshat
evenhandedo!e of t h the characteristics a chteer
thoughtisti s of
sW was,
at even-handedthateqauierdedinthe ilk
s trade should
the interests of
those
a t h
o
whojaic
wsetree required
attended to, as well as the interests of those abroad.
The Hon. Member concluded by moving a clause,
the object of which was, 'that the Act relating to the
duty on silk should continue in force for another year.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, that this was not the first
time he had to contend with a Member for Coventry
(Mr. Fyler is one of the Members for that city) on the
subject of the Silk Duties. I,n 1826 he had to contend
with a predecessor (Mr. E. Ellice) of the Honourable
Member. At that period he thought there was a clear
and distinct understanding of the maximum duty at
which silk should be impOrted at the expiration of this
year. He thought there. had been an error in the delay,
and certainly that error should not be made to operate
as an injustice to the Indians. This pledge had been
made not by any individual member of Government
merely, but it had been made by Parliament itself. It
was made upon the understanding on which the mea-
sure of 1826 had passed ; and he called upon those who
supported him then to support now the pledge which
had been given as to the relaxation of the duty at the
close of the year 18'28.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he had no doubt as to the
principle of the measure. He was not aware that a
pledge had been given by either of hi, Right Honour-
able Friends (Messrs. Huskisson and Grant) who had
been Members of a former Administration, gnat this law
should certainly expire at the close of the present year.
He was sure his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Conitenay),
was not aware of any such pledge having been given,
or he would not have made the declaration which he
had done to the Deputation which had waited upon him
—that there was no intention this year of making any
alteration in the silk duties. As, therefore, the case of
those who were deeply interested in the silk trade had
not been heard, he thought the present law might,
without much inconvenience, be continued tor another
year. Many persons, largely engaged in thii line of
business, had left town with the impression that no
change would take place this year. Under these cir-
cumstances, although he would not say that any change
would be effected in his mind by any argument, or
representations which these Gentlemen might make, for
he thought that experience and facts were in favour of
the soundness of the commercial principles that had
been adopted, yet he was nevertheless of opinion, that
all the parties should be fully and fairly heard before
any law was per Manently adopted.
Mr. TRANT said a few words in support of giving
India the benefit of the reduced duty which had been
premised to her.
Mr. ROBINSON explained. He said that he pre-
ferred the declaritions made by the present Vice Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade•to those who had previously
presided over that Board, because the declarations of
the former were made openly in the House, whereas
those of the latter were made privately to persons out
of Parliament. It had been said, that the Bill in its
present proposed shape had gone out to India; which
showed that there was no disposition to give encdut age-
ment to commercial speculation.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT said, that a general ex-
pectation had been held out and entertained that the
present Act would expire in October, 1828, and that
the duty of 30 per cent. would be substituted for It.—
This expectation should not be disappointed—(Hear).
He -was somewhat surprised to hear his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Peel) say, that it was requisite that the
parties should be heard, and that a full investigation
shcu'd take place to determine what principles should
be adopted. He would ask, had not such an investiga-
tion been gone through ?—(Hear). And were not the
principles which had been adopted by the House, the
result of the fullest investigation and the amplest dis-
cussion?.--(Cries of hear, hear). A distinct understanding
and pledge was given by the House that at the expira-
tion of the present Act, in 1828, a duty of 30 per cent.
should be substituted ; and heapprehended great incon-
venience would arise, and great alarm be created, if
technical objections were permitted to interfere with
and to defeat a pledge given in such a manner. He
could state that a short time previous to his leaving
office, there was no expectation entertained among
those engaged in the silk trade in this country that there
would be any departure from the plan which had been
laid down, and those persons were apprized and aware
that the change•which had been resolved upon in 1826;
would be carried into effect for the establishment of the
duty of 30 per cent. . • •
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that he did not require,
as his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. C. Grant) supposed, an
inquiry to satisfy him as to the principles of commer.
cial policy to be adopted by this country. Indeed,
he had distinctly declared that he did not. But what
he said was, that as his Right Honourable Friend (Mr.
Courtenay) had declared to persons deeply engaged in
the silk trade, that there was no intention of making any
change this year; as his Right Hon. Friend was not
aware of any pledges having been given by his Right
Hon. Friends upon the subject; and as, in consequence
of these circumstances, the representations of these per-
sons had not been entered int.), he thought that the
present Act might be continued for another year, and,
on this ground, he would vote in support of the clause
of the Honourable Member (Mr. Fyler). ,
Mr. P. THOMSON said, this was a question in-
volving injustice to two parties.--to our manufacturers
at home, and to the Indians. The proportions of the'
magnitude of the injustice became thee the subject of
consideration; and in this view the injustice to the
Indians was incomparably the greater. The Indians'
had obtained a pledge, and it appeared by the acc••unt
of the large commercial orders that had been recently'
given, that the-Indians had acted in the confidence and
on the faith that that pledge would be fulfilled.. But
what hod been the inconvenience to the manufacturers
here' His Right Honourable Friend (Mr. C. Grant)
had awed thetionae, that but a short time before his
leaving office...sheet three weeks ago—the manufac-
, utrers ere fully in expectation that the change, as in.
tended jp 1826, would be carried into effect. What
new spelliiitiOPS could they have entered into since that
time 7 Wbat silk could they have put on their looms?
What losses could they have sustained ? These, surely,
must be very inconsiderable, compared with the great
and positive hardships which muse be endured by the
Indians, who had mateived a pledge of two years stand-
mg, on the faith of which they relied, upon which they
acted, and entered into important. and extensive com-
mercial engageatents. What would be the consequence
le the Indians of a violation of the Act ? It was well
*own that large shipments of silk had been made in
India on the faith of the Act. The consequence of the
Imposed measure would be to injure the revenue ; for
it would give a premium upon the smuggling of Ban-
shees. It would take money out of the pockets of the
Lathan trader, and put it into the pockets of the smug-
slim When it was recollected how large-a quantity

of English produce and manufactures went to India;
when it was recollected that India received exports
from this country .to the annual amount of five millions.
she was surely entitled to be treated by us with at least
common jissi ice.
r.A TTWOOD acknowledged that if there was, not
even a pledge. but merely an understanding in an Act
of Parliament, that it ought to be binding on the Le-
gislature; but he really could not perceive that that
was the case in the present instance. The Act s:ated
that such and such. duties sl.ould be imposed during
the pleasure of Parliament." With respect to any un-
derstanding or contract that might have been made
with the parties interested.' with that the House had
nothing_ so do. . .

Mr. HUSKISSON, in explanation, stated that the
enderstarkiing to which he had alluded, was the under-
standing of the Act of Parliament. In consequence of
a Resolution of the House, a sill was brought in in
1824, imposing an ad valorem duty of thirty per cent.
on the admission of all foreign silks• It being Coaught,
however, that the Custom-house officers were not suf-
ficiently aware of the value of the respective articles to
impose the proper duty, a temporary Act was intro-
duced, imposing a rateage duty; it being, however,
distinctly understood by the parties interested, that Par-
liament did not mean knowingly or willingly that that
duty should exceed the duty originally imposed of SO
per cent.
Mr. ATTWOOD proceeded, and insisted that Par-
liament knew nothing of understandings or contracts,
and must be determined in their proceedings solely
with a view to what, under existing circumstances, it
was most fitting to do. He regretted that injury should
he inflicted on any party by the course which he recom-
mended; hat although it might be injury, it certainly
,would not be injustice; whereas, after the pledge that
had been recently given by the Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite, great injustice would be inflicted by a contrary
proceeding.
•ll'lr. HUSKISSON repeated his explanation, express-
log his regret that he should be obliged to detain the
,House on a point which he was sure no one could pos-
sibly mistake but the Honourable Gentleman.
Mr. FERGUSON insisted that the original Act of
Parliament was a pledge the duty should not be more
'than thirty per cent. I'o continue the temporary Act
'by which that intended duty was rendered so much
'higher, would be a gross injustice to the India trader.
Sir J. MACINTOSH was quite of opinion with the
Hon. Member for Callington, that a pledge given by
lIP y Mcmber of his Majest►'s Government was of no
value in that House ; and he was therefore much sur-
prised to hear that Hon. Member place the measure
which he recommended on the ground of a pledge re-
cently given by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite.
The principle cm which he (Sir J. Macintosh) considered
himself bound to proceed war, the obvious intention of
the Legislature. Rejecting ail personal pledges, what
he had to inquire was the just construction to which
the two Acts of Parliament in question were liable.
Hon. Members had talked of surprise! Why, here, at
en advanced period of the Session, was this attempt
made to hurry the House by surprise into the relin-
quishment of principles which had been established for
five or six years. The measure under discussion was
not an isolated measure; it was part of a general sys-
tem which had prevailed from the year 1824 down to
Friday last. What was that measure? The original
object of the Legislature was to impose a duty of SO
-per cent. instead of a prohibition ; but as the Custom
House officers were not sufficiently conversant with the
'snide: in question to levy that duty, the Legislature
passed an experimental Act, bearing on its forehead
the marks of its being but a temporary measure, by'
which it was intended to impose a rateable duty equi-
valent wan ad valorem duty of SO per cent? How
then could any man assert tbat it was in the contem-
plation of the Legislature, by the latter measure, to im-
pose an ad valorer duty of 65 per cent ? And yet such
was the practical effect of that measure, which it was
now proposed to continue for another year. If.the
ciatrse remained as it. was, the Committee would give
effect to the real intention of the Act of Parliament. If
they altered it as was proposed, they would impose a
rate of duty more than double that which the Act of
Parliament intended to impose. It appeared, therefore,
to him to be the simplest and clearest question possible.
Indeed, he observed that the Right Honourable the
ISecretary of State hr the Home Department felt the
general principle of the question press so strongly upon
him, that he was obliged to take refuge in the personal
pledge of the Vice President of the Board of Trade ;
for the Right Honourable Gentleman avowed his ad-
herence to those just and liberal principles of commer-
cial policy which, when all memory of the present
disputes had pissed awar, would immortalize the Pre-
sidents of the Board of Trade by whom they had been
introduced.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de-
fended his Right Hon. Friend near him from the charge
of having suddenly and surreptitiously brought forward
the present proposition. Orr the 17th of June, the House
had come to a Resolution► that it was expedient that the
Act which was about to, expire should be continued.— ,
With respect to any expectations that might have been
entertained on the subject, it was desirable that the Com-
mittee should take a correct view of what was the state
of the law respecting it. It was true, that in 1824 an
Act of Parliament was passed, subjecting foreign silks
to an ad valorem duty of 30 per cent.. to commence i 0
July, MN; bat that Act never came into actual opera.
lion; an Act imposing a rateage duty was substituted
`for it. What pledge, therefore, had Parliament given
upon the subject? He knew very well that the alter*
tion had been made because a difficulty was found in
estimating the value of the articles on which the duty
was to be imposed. If the Act imposing a rateage duty
were to be allowed to expire, that difficulty would• be
suddenly revived. In order to give time to consider.
whether they should revert to, the system that had been
found so difficult of execution, or construct a new
icale cf rateage duties, it was deemed expedient
that no alteration should take place until the next
Session of Parliament; but that the Bill about to,
expire should be continued. He was not disposed
to support any measure continuing a higher duty on the
manufactures of India than the Legislature had origi.
pally in contemplation; but he felt that, as it had been
intimated to the parties interested, that in consequence'
of the difficulties of the subject, no change would take
place in the present Session ; and as, in consequence they
bad absented themselves when they were, no doubt, pre-
pared to establish their grcunds of objection by proof,
he thought himself bound to vote for the Amendment
al the Hon. Member for Coventry.
Mr. COUNITIMAY and Sir JAW= MACINTOIK mutually explained.
A division then took place. •The numbers were—
For the Amendment : . . . . 47
Against it • . • es . 35

Majority .

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On racntering the gallery we found Mr. GRANT mowing an
Amendment to the Clause that the existing scale continue to the
Seth October, 1829, that it should continue only to the nest Ste-
uots of Parliament.

ika Anasadmeat was put and carried without a &claim. The

I House rammed, sod the Repots was ordered to be received :a.
morrow.
STYPERANNVATIbt. AGLOWAIICI BILL.

,The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved theOrdet
of the Day for the second reading of the Superannuation Allowance
11111—The Order of the Day having been read,
Mr. H. GURNEY rose to present a Petition against
it from the Clerks of Public Offices, and said, that the
parties interested in this measure complained that it was
something like a breach of contract, and that its effezt
would be to injure th-ns "%sty materially. The principle
of a superannuation allowance to the civil set vents of the
country had the recommendation of many Committees
of that House, from the year 1786 down to 1822. He
thought it would not become the character of that
House or of the Government to pass such a measure as
this without due consideration. The recommendatioh
of the Finance Committee, he was sorry to say, as far as
they had gone, went rather to take away the reasonable
emoluments of those who laboured most industriousle
for the public, than to strike at those larger sources irons
which alone any substantial saving could be effecteJ......
He trusted the Rouse would rut, for the sake of a poor
and pitiful saving, agree to this harsh denial of justice
towards a class who Bare their best exertions to the set:
vice of the country. Regretting that the Petition had
not been placed in abler hands, he moved that it be
brought up.
•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER withdrew the
Order of the Day; to enable the Petition to be printed.
The Petition bavidg been read,
Sir HENRY HARDINGE•sIid he had a similar pe.
tition to present from the Clerks of the Ordnance Office
in the Tower Department. The Right Hon.Gentlernan
declared that he• felt particular pleasure in presetting
this petition, as he could bear testimony to the cheer-
fulness with which the petitioners had borne former
reductions of income, in common with other' r irate ser-
vants, and as he could state of them, that he thought
he was now doing but an act of justice tb mbst able,
most trustworthy, and roost excellent public officers.
Mr. F. BUXTON, in presenting a similar Petition
from the Excise , protested that he concurred with
those who thought the clef ics•in public offiees had great
reason to complain of this measure. The 11 nourahk
Gentleman proceeded to comment on the vkciliating
sort of legislat on which had passed in respect of this
plan of super animation,. in 1814, 1822, and 1824. These
Petitioners, prior to 1814, had raised a superarnitratioa
fund among themselve., whichamounted td nn less than
72,0001. which was intended as provision for old age,
accident, ice. and over which, as their own money,
and absolutely subscribed by them, Parliament had
in reality no legal tide whatever—no legal power ut
controul—(Hear,•hear).. But when the first soprran.
nuation plan was determined on,' Mr. Perceval said
fatly enough, perhaps—" As you are to have the be.
aefit of the Superannuation Act without couttibuvrg
towards the necessary capital, you shall give up this
72,0001." which was accordingly transferred to the
public funds. Now he (Mr. Buxton) did not complain
niche transfer; but he meant to contend, that befote
Parliament could pass the present Bill, they mint first
uf all replace to these petitioners their own original
fund of 72,000/.—.in the next place, all the accumula.
tions, with interest, of fourteen subsequent years, which
would amount to somewhere above 200,0001..--(Hear).
And if this was so with the Excise and Customs ofh-
ces, let it be remembered that there were many others
entitled, under similar circumstances, to be considered.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved the
Order of the Day for the second reading of the Superannuation
Allowances Bill.

On the question of the second reading, Colonel SIB-
, THORP rose to present a Petition from the Clerics of
the Hackney Coach-office, io a similar effect with the
preceding petitions. He hoped that no objections which
might be occasionally taken to the vehicles of which
this office had the superintendence, would be allowed
to operate to the prejudice of the respectable and men-
torious Petitioners, to whom the public was really much
indebted.

Mr. TRANT was decidedly opposed to the inequi•
table principle of this measure.
Mr. HART DAVIS quoted a passage from that great
reformer, Mr. Burke, in which he expressed himself
most adverse to the imposition of a tax upon the in-
comes of parties in the situation of these petitioners.—
The measure could only be considered as one for the
reduction of salaries in the shape of an income tax, and
he (Mr. H. Davis) considered it object onable in every
point of view, and sincerely regretted that it should ever
have been brought forward by the Finance Committee.
Sir R. WILSON felt it necessary strongly to oppo.e
this Bill, although it came recommended by the Finance
Committee. He had no objection to its principle but
this—that he thought it ought to have been ptospect,ve.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
gretted that he had been placed in the painful situa-
tion of being under the necessity of bringing forward
the present measure. No duty had ever occasioned him
mote pain, nor would he have been induced to take it
upon himself, but that the House having appcinted a
Committee for the revision of every branch of the pub-
lic expenditure, and that Committee having mom-
mended the introduction of such a measure, and en-
trusted him (Mr. Goulburn) with the task of submitting.
it to Parliament, he should have felt it an act of moral
cowardice to shrink from the responsibility of doing su.or
of vindicating the motives which lia I led to its ptepata-
tioa.Though the measure might lint ba arictly iu acc )td-
anFe with any individual feelings of his owl), the fieuse
must, in justice, recollect the situat on in which the
nonce Committee had been placed. In looking at thev e-
ral expenses of thecountry tie °pin &pal brancrescf ex-
penditure presented them-elves to their consideration—
the effective and the ineffective. They found that the to-
tal charge for the effective, including those departmeen,
civil and military, which related to t'-e defence Gt Ole
country, civil services of all kinds, and so forth, was
about twecty- one millions a year ; anJ that of ibis
enormous sum no less than five millions was Allister'
aced to retired acd superannuation allow aaces, some
sort or other, in all those vat ious departments. They
were anxiou-, under these circumstances, to pope e
some measure which might gradually effect a pro•prc•
rive reduction in a charge for these particular objects,
which bore so large a proportion 1., the total amount
.of the effective. In looking at the details of the coil
service, they found that upon an expenditure of foie
million pounds, the superannuation charge anioucted
to nearly 500,0001. that this 500,0001. had iticiea-edlo
that sum in six years, from little more than half the
amount; and they immediately perceived the absolute
necessity of devising measures to check for the future
the alarming tendency to increase, in a charge of such
a magnitude—(Hear, hear). Their determination ba-
lanced long as to the mode of doing this, between a re-
duction of salary and a deduction for superani Llama.
He certainly had always professed himself decidedly
hostile to the former. From his own long habits of OP
cial life, he had been in almost constant intercourse
with all the petitioners now before the House, and could
safely declare, that no occasion to serve them could
present itself, of which he should not feel it a solenfa
duty to avail hirnself—(Hear. hear). He readily ad'
mated the iveigh tof that case 914135 Excise Office which

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cited by the Hon. Member for \Vcym.•oth ;
should be the opinion of the House that it
Netter before passing a-Bill of this kind to en-
n inquiry as to the relative situations in which
ffetent departments and offices of the public
preen: stood, as to this mater, and with a
flaking the new proposed arrangement more
in each particular case to the view of Par.
r the Act of 1821-2, he should not oppose the
ent of this measure to the nest Session.—He
allowed at the same time to declare, that he
t was the most lenient and least oppressive
nake provision for these superannuation al-
which the Finance Committee had thus re-,
ed.

GRANT had listened to the speech of his
o. Friend with great pleasure, and especially
rt of it in which he declared his readiness to
the measure to next Session. He did not for

: doubt the sincerity of his Right Honourable
leclaration of the pain with which he had
or ward a measure so seriously affecting the
those with whom he had long been in offi-
ction. But when his Right Hon. Friend tie-
t the recommendation of the Finance Com-
this subject had been unanimous, he for one
it was so, and would have been pleased to hear
light Hon. Gentleman himself, entertaining
rigs, had formed an exception to their unani-
vas said that this B 11, which he considered was
great act of injustice, proceeded on the same
ds the measures of 1822 and 1824. He (Mr.
itended that this was not true, and proceeded
t comparison between the present Bill and
ler measures, from which he inferred that the
low proposed would be infinitely more unjust
.ssive in its operation. Civil services were en-
as much consideration as military service.
rig year a lamented friend of his (Mr. Hill,
to the Treasury) had paid the forfeit of his
duties of his office. He was not a solitary
and it was mall) too much to make free with
,sis and hard earned emoluments of the most
class of the public officers of the country.
he agreed with the Finance Committee on
rev, in this he entirely dissented from them.
;ht the attempt dishonest and unfair towards
of public officers, and was extremely glad the
was postponed.
PARNELL said, the reason of the recom.
n of the Finance Committee was, that the
nation charge had increased since 1810, from
o 400,0001. Considering the circumstances
;lorry, he thought the Committee were bound
mend all reductions which would enable the
o have the public service performed at the
te. It certainly did appear, upon inquiry into
ct, that all the salaries of the public officers
mit of reduction, and it was thought better
mend the course of making a superannuation
n to reduce salaries. In all the great commer-
lishments of the country very effective service
ned at a much lower rate than was paid by
c. Under these circumstances he thought the
Committee were bound to make the recoils-
n they had made.

MACINTOSH strongly opposed the Bill.
cs in public offices had no road to honour, for.
distinction, opened to them, and their interests
rigs ought, he thought, to be most tenderly
h. It was the remark of foreigners, that in no
f Europe, for the last century, bad there been
eculation, or beuayal of state secrets as in Eng-
was therefore to be considered, at what price
Id get good service, not at what price they
person, to serve them. Where the interett. of
rsons were concerned, he could not vote on
:e with the recommendai ion of any Committee.
d, therefdre, that more time would be given to
e to consider of this question.
ILMOT-HORTON said postponement was
if justice were to be done to particular classes
iblic officers. The question was one of reduc-
shay, and could be applied with justice to
D weie to come into office after its enactment;
lought the House should take more time for
ition before they would apply it to those now'
—(Hear, hear).
OBINSON pressed postponement, in coml.
of the late pesiod of the Session, and the im-
y of giving the subject sufficient consideration.
URTEN A Y entirely disapproved of the sweeping nature
He knew the persons to whom the Bill would apply,
ered the public service in that class at a very small salary ;
ugbt the present measure would impose a great hardship ;
afident that it was for the public interest chat the public
uld continue to be a respectable profession—(Hear).
'A NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, as it ap-
se the wish of the Heise, he should withdraw the Bill
sent—(Hear).—The Bill was then withdrawn.
;ar Duties Bill was committed.—Report to-morrow.
rings Banks' Bill was read a third time and passed.
port on the Militaey and Meal Pensions Bill was brought
.red to, and the ball ordered to be read a third time to-

ISKISSON gave notice, that on Thursday be should
ddress to Isis Majesty for copies of all correspondence
;overntnent of the United States, respecting the Ameri-

lANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in the
)ebt Reduction Amendment Bill; and the Annual Ap
Bill.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second
arrow.
er Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
ourned at HALIP-PAIPt &MUG

MAJORITY AND MINORITY.
tza's Amendment in the Committee on the Customs Acts.

MAJORITY.

ord Fyler, T. O' Neill, J.
M. Foster, L. Owen, Sir R.
t, Colonel Finest's., J. Peel, L.
H. Page, Peel, W.
;, Earl of Goulb►tru,Rt Om Ii Peel, R.
Gordon, Colonel Petit, J. H.
rC. Herrin, lit Hon. J. Planta, J.
King, R. Rick ford, W.
Lowther, Lord Robinson, G.
it Ron. J. Wountcharles, Lord Sibtborp, Colonel
, Rt Huo.P. bi'Lood, Pl. Spottiswoode, .i.
d NliKinnon, J. Sugden, J.
rw H. AlorraY, Sir G. Tdintash,
hiarryat, J. Van Howie,. P.
nrd lir Nagkten, J. Wrthcrell, Sir C.
Sir R. W'Kensie, bir J.

M INCiRITY.

, Henry Grattan, J. Ponsoaby, G:
Horton, Wilmot Philliatore, Dr.
ogham Hashisson, W. Prothense, E.
Lord G. Jermyn, Lord Parnell, Sir H.
ay Lewis, Frankland Rice, Spring
ilea. Labouchere, H. Tram, %V.
• L Leysester, J. Thompson, Alder
J. Lusbingtoo, Colonel Villiers, Hyde
IL C. Macintosh, Sir J. Wigrani, W.
hi. Marryat, J. Wood, Alderman
arks Palmerston, Lord rattans.
ben Powlet, Lord W. Thomson, C. P.

Ponsonby, W. Parnell, Sir H.
2
ItslT FITZGERALD made his appearance last,
tke lobby of the House of Commons, where he received
meats of hi. frimods—he has ao eoemies—and appeared
sh "kits. Indeed the Right Hoo. Gentleman's loss of
a was attended with sash honourable testimony, from
as well as supporters, to the universal escelleoce of his
that defeat under such circumstances was not lees koa-
la could be *wady less gratifying, than the most apical.
r.

THE EVENING STAR.

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LON1)(1N.
TUESDAY, JULY 15, 1828.

STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK.

The Consol market has a brighter appearance this morning than
for several days past, more particularly caused from what the Duke
of Waumerrox said in the House of Lords last eight, that
vernment had no intention of moving for a vote of credit. This
assertion had some effect on Con4ols, which opened this morning
at 118 i to for the Account; since which they have been done at
881 I, and for next time BSI, and at present they may be quoted at
881, alternately buyers and sellers.
This is settling day in the Foreign market, and the only business
.doing is settling their Accounts.
CITY, HALF-PAST ONE O'CLOCK.

Consols have been fluctuating, during the morning, between 814
and 88/ for the Account. and at present may be quoted at 88/,
alternately buyers and sellers. The Commissioners purchased the
usual quantity in Consols at 811 j, and they will continue purchasing
at the present scale until the 16th of August: after which It will
be about £7,000 a day to the end of the year. The whole amount
applicable to the Sinking Fund, according to the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHIEHIRR'S statement, will be at the rate of £3,000,000 per
annum, provided the excess of the Revenue amounts to as much;
►ut this sum is chargeable with £580,000 per annum on the Dead
Weight Amounts held by she Bank, thus leaving about £51,4e0,000
to be laid out in the Money Market.

PRICE OF STOCKS AT TWO O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock 2101 1 India Bonds 104 .5
3 per Cent. Red. 374 4 4 Old Annuities
iti per Ct. Cons. 861 761 ex div. New Ditto
.31 per Cent. 951 £lOOO Rxcheq. Bills 69 71
31 per,Cent. Red. 951 11. 1 £5OO Ditto 69 71
4 Per Ct. New,loll lex div. .8100 and A2OO Ditto 69 71
4 per-Cent. 1826, 1041 / Advertised
Long Ann. 19 11.16 Bank for Acct.
India Stock 2451 Consols for Acct. 1181 11 4
' FOREIGN FUNDS, TWO O'CLOCK.
Brasilia° Bds. 5 pCt.6ll 1 1 Do. Ace. 414
Do Acct GI 1 / Portug.Bds.spC.ssl 1 4j
Buenos Ayres lids. 6p C. 431 Do Acct. 551 1 5
Colombian Bonds, 6 per Ct. Russ. 8d5.1822. 5 per Ct. 941 1
D0.80nd5.1824;241 Spanish Bds Sp Ct. 101 1
Greek Bonds, 5 p Ct. 17 French Rentes, 3 p Ct. 72125 e
Greek 80nd5,1825, 5 pCt. 17 Exchange 25135 c
Mex. 8d5,1825,6p Ct. 401 11 11 Do. Accr.
BRITISH AND FOREIGN SHARKS, TWO O'CLOCK.

{MA MI.
100
35

PAID.
90
20

2$
71 69i