Star.
London, England, 1803-04-05 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONA.

A Petition was praented agalntt the Edinburgh Road Bill,
complaining of certain Claufes, and praying to be heard by
Conniel at the Bar.

After a few oblervations from Mr. Wm nitrides, and alto
front the Chair, at to the unarm! fort of applkatioa contained
in the Petition, namely,a prayer to be heard by Counfel at the
Bar, when they bad already been beard by Counfel before the
Committee, the confident/on of the Petition was negatived
without a divifion.

Mr. Cover moved the Order of the Day for going Into Corn.
inittee on the kith Revalue Cootinuation Ada—Refedved.ac.
cot dit.;.,11. And . . _

.
kir. CO a R• moved refolut lons to continue for one year longer,
the Ad of the 38th of thc King in Ireland, for rare* rer-
, tain Dude-son Audions and Glafs Bottles; an Ad of the 39th
of the King, for contains Duties on Stained Paper and Paper-
bangings; an Adt for regulating the Exports and Imports of
Cork ; and an Ad for the Regulation of the kith
iflwdes..—Agreed to, and ordered to be reported to morrow.
A MONK from the Lords knitted their Lordedpe agent to
the Royal Facet Rangers Bill; the Greenland Sailors' Pneec -
tion Bill; and the Clergy Non-Ref.denee Bill, in which latter
their I.ordlhips had made one Amendment, to which they re-
quelled the r worms. e of ibis Honk.
Sir Junes Sawnarrz's Annuity and the Poor Million
Each. quer Bills hill, were rod a third tits-, paled, aLd
or-
tkral to the 1.0r.14.

Mt. Coats pretested Petitions froncthe Guardians of the
DubinLyiwg•in Hofpital; the Governors of the Dublin Female
Orphans School ; and from the Sucierrinitituted at Dublin for
dircoatstenancing Vice and promuting Piety and Chrialan
Knowledge; praying the dual reliefs as heretofore granted.—
Ordered to lie on the table. He then gave notice, that be
mould on Wedriclday next, is the Committee of Supply, move
for chore grants rt fpraively.
Mr. CORRY moved, that the EMl:nate, of the Expenees for
thole frveral Charities, for the enfuing year, b.: laid before the
Monte, which was ordered, and they were p relented accordingly.
On the motion of Mr. HOB HOU SS, the Order of the Day on
the Grenada Luau Bill was deferred to Thurfday next.

Mr. ActIAND ex reported from the Committee on the Ex-
piring Laws. which was agreed to.

lAItT CIINSTFAD ELECTION.

Mr. CAMFBILL reported from the Committee
appointed to try the merits of the Eaft Grinftead
Elation, that Sir Henry Sandie, Bart. was duly
elated, and that the Petition of John Frog, Efq.
was frivolous and vexatious.

PANCRAS PARISH BILL.

Sir F. BURDETT brought up a Petition from cer-
tain inhabitants of the Parifh of St. Pancras, pray-
ing to be heard by Counfel againft the Bill, on the
third reading.
On the quellion being put, that the Paid Petition
do lie on the table till the third reading, and that
the parties be heard, by themfelves or Counfel,
agaialt the raid Bill,
Mr. Bran oppofed it, on the ground that the
parties bad been heard by Counfel before the Com-
mittee; be fhould therefore move an Amendment,
that all the words be left out of the original mo-
tion, and that, inftead thereof be infected, that the
Bill be read a third time.

Sir F. Buanavr raid, no reafon bad been given
why the praycr of the Petition amid not be grant-
ed ; no inconvenience had been (Fated to arifc from
it, and he therefore appealed to the juftice of the
Houk, to give the Petitioners leave to (late by
Counfel their objections to a Bill, which had been
fo altered in the Committee, fence Counfel was
heard on it, that it could fcarcely be called the
fame Bill.

Mr. WU RST raid he fhould oppofe the 3d reading
of the Bill.

Mr. COURTENAY faid no reafon had been given
in fupport of the Bill ; he would therefore give one
or two that were incontrovertible againft at. That
the body of Guardians fhould be allowed to elea
themfelves was a principle fubverfive of all liberty,
and favoured fo much of Jacobinifm, that he was
afionithed it had met with the countenance of the
Committee. They were alfo to he auditors of their
own accounts—they firft expended the money, and
then paired the accounts themfelves. He was con.
►inced the Bill was exceptionable in every refpea,
and certain that. if Counfel were heard on the third
reading of the Bill, it would be thrown out.
Mr. ALSIAMDIa objeaed to hearing Counfel,
and faid he fhould vote for the Amendment.

Mr. HILLIARD fpoke in favour of the Bill, as
abfolutely necelrary in fo extenfive a parifh, which
contained from 32,000 to 34.,000 inhabitants. It
had been faid that it was a novel Bill, but that he
denied ; there were feveral Bills which had paired
of the fame nature,aad as Connfel had been beard at
the great& length before the Committee, be could
fee no reafon why they Would be heard again.
Mr. SHIM:DAM faid, the queßion was not whe-
ther the Bill was good or bad, but whether the
Petitioners Would be heard by Counfel ? If the
Bill has been fo entirely altered, the Petitioners
ought to be heard by Counfel. Walt the quellion
clean from all party-prejudices, and he thought
the houfe could not refute the prayer of the peti-
tion. If there were fo many perfons in the parilb,
it was the Rrongell reafon why a Bill of disfran-
chifement, like the prefent, Would not pars. For
thirty years there had been no fuch thing in the
parifb as a parochial appeal ; which fhewed the
old mode of governing its concerns was a good
one, and that it Mould not be changed without
proving that force inconvenience or mifchief had
enfued from it. He denied that there were feve-
ral Bills which had paired like the prefent : no
linch arbitrary and oppreCfive Bill, as it was when
&if brought in, had ever appeared in the Houfe.
He then commented upon one of the daufes as it
Rood in the original Bill (for he had not got fight
of an amended, one), in which the body of Guar-
dians have unlimited powers over thofe under their
management. The power of changin* their drefs
and diet, he fuppofed, was to be whipping and
ftarving ; thrice alto who were guilty of lewd
or criminal behaviour." He did not know how
there Guardians might judge of any St. Pancras
Abelard, but he thought the power of punning ad
nitwit was too great. He alto objeeed to a part
of the claufe which empowers them to hire out
poor girls in time of hay or corn harvell, with an
overfeer to whip them home again.
Mr. Hi LLIAID explained.
Mr. Bran faid he fupported the Bill, becaufe
out of the taco perfons who figned the Petition
againa the Bill, a great many of them were in
favour of it in its amended Rate ; many of them
had never paid the rates, and many others whole
names were to it were not to be found. He was
confident a great majority of the parifh was in
favour of the Bill. The claufe alluded to by his
Hon. Friend (Mr. Sheridan) had been greatly al.
tered. He had offered him an amended Bill, but
he did not chute to have it.
Mr. Salmon, faid, his Hon. Friend had not
offered him an amended Bill ; he had only iltewn
it him, but he had not another, and kept it for
himfelf.

Mr. Fox fait!, his Hon. Friend, who had juti
fpoken, contended, that a majority of the parifb
was in favour of the Bill; iffo, it was the ftrongell
reafon for their naming the guardians, not the
guardians to name themfelves, nor be named by
the Houfe of Commons. Counfel had been heard
in the Committee, but no names had then been
given. It had been agreed, that the Petitioners
ileould choofe 3o out of the 6o; but they hap-
pened to choofe 3o Gentlemen, and were, there•
fore, told they Mould have choice of none. He
could not conceive bow, on the principles of equity
and juflice, the Houfe can rehire to hear Conniel
on the point of nomination. . . _

Sir W. Put. TTTTT faid, that even in the deareß
times, and the greatell fcarcity, the ponr rates had
never exceeded as. 3d. in the pound.—Was there
another part& in England could fay the GA ! •••••

Not this tots a proof that the old government of
the parilh was good, and therefore he was agouti,:
the Bill.

Mr. Hothouse Paid, if the Bill was the fame at
in the Committee, he fhould vote againft hearing
Counfel; but as it was a different Bill, it fhould
be confidered as if Counfel had not been heard at
all; and he thought that in a Bill of fuch impor-
tance, Counfel ought to be heard.
Mr. Be Low e.faid, that whatever the alterations
were, Counfel had been fully heard before the
Committee. and ought not to be heard again.
After a few words from Sir FRANCIS Sit/ILDkTT
and Mr. Bywo, a divifion took place.—For hear.
ing Counfel 5111—Againft it 124—Majority 6().
On the quake that the Bill be read a third time,
Mr. Saimaa Paid, there was one part of it
Which be wined to have altered, which was. that
the fixty-one guardiasts Mould-not be in perpetuity.
He was certain the meafure would be productive
of great oppreffion, and mentioned an inflance of
a man who had been Colleitor cf the Poor Rates
for fixteen years, and had been this morning re-
moved from his office, becaufe he was again!' the
prefent meafure. He allured the Houfe this was
a faift, and therefore he propofed an amendment ;
on which a divifion took place—For the amend-
ment 36—Againii it 72—Majority 36.
The Gallery door was not opened during the
remainder of what paired on this Bill, but we un.
derflood it had been read a third time and paired.
When hangers were re-admitted into the gallery,
Mr. BIAGGI was (peaking in the cafe of James
Trotter, and fcemed to infer from his arguments,
that as freffi evidence had been adduced again((
him, he ihould be brought again to the Bar, have
the minutes of the Committee read to him, and be
afited what he had to fay in his defence ?
The Sr sat ea informed the Hon. Gentleman
and the Houfe, that he had looked into precedent.,
and found, that on the queftion of a perfon who
had been at the Bar, being committed to Newkite,
there as no occafion to bring him to the Bar again.
Mr. Lauer Paid, that if he had been allowed
to purfue the courfe he at firft Pet out with, the
Houfe would have been Paved a great deal of
trouble. He fhould at prefent content himfelf
with moving, " That Mr. Trotter be, committed
to Newgate. ' If he fhould petition the Houfe,
and Rate that evidence had been adduced againk
him on points which he could fatisfafturily explain,
he thought he might be allowed to give evidence
at the Bar to this effee, and be heard again; but
then he fhould expee to be allowed to go further
into the matter, and to try to trace it to the aiders
and abetters of the meafure, all of whom were as
deferving punilhment as this man was. He, there-
fore, moved, _

" That Jamas Trotter, having been duly furnmoned by the
Speaker's Wammt, and the order of the Chairman of the Cont.
mittee appointed to try the mats of the DanfermUne Beetles:,
to appear as a whales before the Paid Committee. had abfewed
!timid( and refold to obey laid Warrant and Order, and had
thereby boas (way of a breach of the Privet:get of the Honk."
Agreed to new. coa.—He then moved,
" That the laid James Trotter, for his Laid We:tee, be com-
mitted to his 111aAy's Gaol of Nagar:
After a Ikon converfation between Mr. Bs actor,
Mr. Ti tu IT, and Mr. St, lamas, the queßion was
put and carried nem. con.
It was then ordered that the §P ['AIR do iffua
his warrant aceordingly.,—Adjourned.

LONDON.

TUESDAY, APRIL s.

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This morning we received the Paris journals of
the ad init. the contents of which are important.
We fubjoin the principal matters relative to the
affairs of Germany, and alto an abftraft of a cor-
refpondence between the Britifh Commander at
Goree, and the French Officer who was to have
occupied the Bland, had our troops evacuated it
at the time it was expeded they would.
From this correfpondence our Readers will fee,
that that Wend has been pretty much in the fitua-
tion of the. Cape ; and the probability is, that, like
the Cape, it has lance been given up, in coafequence
of frefh orders fent from this country.