Star.
London, England, 1804-07-25 00:00:00

CORM BILL.

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Mr. WESTERN moved the elder of the day
frr the fecund reading of the Corn Bill; which be-
ing read, he (aid, that in cafe the Houfe gave leave
foe the Bill to he read a fecund time this day, it WAS
Lis intention, when it went into the Committee, to
fill up the blanks different to what they were in the
lan Bill, in fuel' a manner, indeed, a., he flattered
Inn felf, wool,' allay the apprehenfions which had
gone abroad refpe6ling this Bill, and which, he
hr pgd, would alto induce the Hon. Gentlemen, who
had oprofed the pre Cent BM, to withdraw their fur-
ther oppoti,ion to it. In the laft Bill the time for
rctmitting the exportation from this country, was
fixed for the /sill of Angell ; he propofed to alter
that to the Inch of November next. The reafon
vhich had led the Committee to make this alteration,
war, they had tintleittood from vatious parts of the
ci natty, that the barged is not. likely to be fo frt•f/Ur.
able as there had been reafon to sepal ; and, as Inch,
tl ey wilhed to enlarge the lime, as they were not
selling that any al trms lhon.d be laifed, which roicht
&limb the cafe and happinefs of the people. Wise-
chu there accounts were well nr iii-frionded, he could
not undettake to fay t Orr were, however, inch as
had determined the Committee to make the altera-
tions he had mentioned ; and he repeated his hopes,
that the Hon• Member. eippoke to him wotild not
give any farther oppoliiirm to the prefent Bill pro.
ceeding in its cotirle. He would therefore, move,
that lb. Bill be now reset a (icons! time.
Mi. Alderman COM BE role to oppnce it. He had
b prJ the H. meoir.dile Gentleman would hot have
testified in ;milling forward this Bill at ft late a
period of the lefllon. For his own part, he could
nt t hut confider the Bill .ts tending, and calculated
to rig...one the rite ni coin, in Gnat it Mould never
fall hehaw a certain Pim per (rafter, or holhel. It
had aheady been prodofW.e • f very P.Tintis efeete
t the puhlic, and paitirolnly to the lower cl:ffes
of the t.nple, h• tailing the mire of corn los. a
ooth• I. riming the pi ~ Is of the hag Bill throuth
he two liotties; and it would, na all Irkelihood, have

a SRI further tendency, if' the prefeat Bill was per
filled in. The (stereo' alreratinns, no doubt. made
the Bill lets exceptionable than the former one ; but
Rill he difliked the meafure altogetheee and, as fuch,
he could will the Houk to forego it till the next fer-
rous of Parliament, when the Bill would have the ad-
vantage of receiving a more general and ample dig
clarion. He therefore moved, that What! of the
word " now." the words '4 this day fix months" be
added.
Sir W. CURTIS rote, he raid, to fecund the mo-
tion of his Honourable Friend. He had a very
great nbjeftion to the Bill, as he was fenfible it had
already been the cede of railing considerably the
price of corn. It had alfo increerwl. the price of
flour ; and there had been a rife in tile affice of
bread, for two weeks pall. He thought the amend-
ments would certainly make the Dill lets exception
able ; but, as the operation of it was not to take
place with refpeft to exportation, before the 15th of
November, he thought that, as Parliament might, in
all likelihood, meet before that time, it would be
better the whole ihnuld be poflponed to the next
feffinn, when it would have the fulleft inveftigation
and difculli.m.
Sir JOHN AI:DER lON exprelied himielf of the
fame opinien. He thought the Bill was of great
magnitude and intportance,and,as fuch, that it ought
not ti) par- in to very late a period of the feGion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOSER
Paid, the Hon. Gentlemen who implied thee Bill
seemed a little to forget what was the preeife nature
of the queflion. They ohjeAcii to the late period of
the Scflion in which it was brought forward ;Whereas
they ()mold recollea, th it, bit for a mere point of
l.iirmality, which could net be difpenfed with, con-
fidently with the privileges of the Houfe, the Bill
would already have paired into a law. He admitted
that if it had, for the grit time, been introduced now,
it might be called late indeed in the Selfion, to take
up a meafure of filch &limn axed general concern ;
but it had been before the Houfe eat ly in the month
of February ; had been invelligated by feveral Com-
mittees, who had paid to it the urmoft attention; and
it had Aelaally received the i'anftion and confent of
both Houfes of Parliament. Under theft circum
dances, he thought it better to proceed with it now,
than to defer it to the next Sabin. With refpee to'
the argriments that had been urged ageinft it, as to
rAillos the price of corn, lie begged leave to railer re.
that, tiling as the prices are, they are much below
that which is fixed for the encouragement of the
growth of corn. The worthy Alderman had men-
tioned the rife in the atßee of bread. He believed,
however. the rife in the particular ate of last week
was the confequence of the rile in the prices of the
week before; but be that as it miy, he contended
that it was not fair to attribute either the wire in the
price of corn, or of the elk* of brood, to this Bill,
which, as far as it appeared to him, would have no
'Ault /Pea. By leaving the ports open to the (sth
of November, you will, during that period, have as
free an importarinn as we have now, and by that
time the feafon will be In far advanced, that there
Can be no expeitatiett of receiving any importations
horn the Baltic, at lead till the following Spring.—
He war, therefore, clearly of opinion, that the Bill
was not liable to the nbieitions brought againft it by
the Hon. Members who oppofed it. and hoped they
would fo far feel it was not, as to withdraw their
prefent orpofitinn to its progrefs.
Lord A. HAMILTON (poke shortly in nppofi
tion to the Bill. He faid, that he could not ago ee to
the atiumptian, that the Bill was introduced at Inch
a time as to have the full (wire of the Houle, or fuels
an ample difeurfinn is a meafure of that importance
required. If by the peen' amendment the Bill is
not intended to have any operation till the t sth No-
vember. he thought it would be better to potipone it
altogether till the ertfuing SeGion. lie few nothing
which preffed on the Haute to pars the A Ih now.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
and Mr. WESTERN feverous explained.
The qncftinn bring called for, a divilion took place
on Car amendment.
Al es, t t —Wes, 56—Majority. 45.
The Bill was then read a fecoad time, and ordered
to be committed to-morrow.
ADJIWItraItD Dreier Oft 'etre FINNIC/2.
• The CHANCELLOR of ihe EXCHEQUER
rote and moved his firft Refobitien, which waa read
by the Speaker, as follows) "'('hat the total amount
of the Public Funded Deht of Great Britain, was.
on the tR of February. teol, MI
5 4 .00 _,97__. of which
0,255,9151. had been purchafed by the Commit-
lioness for the recitation of the National Debt ; and
'9080,5871• had been transferred to them on SIC•
Client of the land tax redeemed, leaving a fended
debt unredeemed, of 483,5724761. I and that the
amount of Annuities charged on Great Britain (after
dedueling what have fallen in) was on the aft of
February, in !hart annuities, and for lives, 5394791.
and 'in long annuities, t,o 5,4t01."
Mr. JOHNeTONE role and raid, as there was
not much difference between the refolutions now
brought forward by the Right Honourable Gentle.
man, and thole which he had tome (hurt time fince
fubmitted to the confideration of the Haute, he Mould
only trouble them with a few ohrervations at prefent.
He thought it neceflary to etnlain, that what he had
hated in page 3, in the Refolittinns he had brought
forward, that the funded debt on the tlf February,
1 floe, including the charge ;neutered by the loan of
the prefent feffion, was ze,846.6651. that it Rated two
loans, and was not alone enotineet to the one which
was therein mentioned. With refpeft to the expendi-
t or e, it certainly amounted to no leis than what he had
listed it.. 42 millions; but he was bound in candour to
ackitnwledge, that mi the lulled invelligAtiem, and the
niceft diterimination, our refources will be fully equal
to oil: expenditure. It was highly feti,feetriry to him
to fay this. The OfCC lint refolutiuns were precifely
the fame as thole cf the Right Hon. Gentleman. In
that refolotion, refpeftine the unfunded debt, there
was e freed ea. oo ;lig in a midake of his.—
With' refeeet to the rernhlil,;:i ItiOC to Exchequer
Dal), lie thought his view cot rat, but left it to the
Right Hon. Gentleman to chole between the two.
With refpeet to the refo orlon, which dates the re-
tire Alhl /Of ihe preterit year, r: contained the money
railed r. nmlly a< a prtiaiticm for the poor. This wit
a (obit& of Inch infinite irmnitince, he could wills it
was dated in a (ep state refnlinum, that the people
might tn.:et:l4nd that opetellitc burd. n to its full
e*ce"r. Ei.lies to, he faid, no ea troa te had been made
of the ratereft ua Eaclisquet Bids whist', be thought,

in furore, Mould he slime. As there were only Come
other very minute differences, he wroth not take up
the time of the Houle then, but hoped, in cafe there
(brad any thing be tali, which required explanation
from him,he fhould be indulged with a further hearing.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
raid, he was extremely happy to think that In the
account given in by the Hon. Gentleman, and the
Refolntions he bad hiturelf brought forward, there
was very little difference; and it mufk be highly fa-
ti.taitnry to the Houk, and to the country, to fee
that, after a very long and expenlive war, with a
very (bort interval of peace, and a quick return of
war again, which had now continued for a year and
a halt, our refources (kill continue equal to Rath un-
paralleled demands. This, he laid, was owing to
the proportion which the Sinking Fund had attained,
which was 1-73 d to the whole debt. In the lad year
of the peace, it was as 1-77. So that in this fital year
of the war, our Sinking Fund was greater in its pro-
portion to our debt than it was before the war eenn-
mowed ; and though our war expenditure (hould
continue to be 4s millions, our refources, and parti-
cularly the Sinking Fund, will keeppace with it, and
if, from any circumftances' at prefent online-ten. it
likened not, he hoped the Howe would enable the
Government to do fn. He allowed that no provilion
had beforehand been made for the ;weevil on Ex-
chequer Dills, becaufe that was paid for in the ante-
cedent year, and if the Honourable Gentleman's
mode were adopted, it would make two eh irges in
I the prefent year for interell on Exchequer Bills. As
to the poor's money, he thought it ought not to be
put into there aceounts, as they related only to the
political expenditure of the country, and the other
was siltagether a parochial one. The principal dire
ferroce was, therefore, as to the pnnr rates, and the
interell on Exchequer Bills, which were but trilling,
and as filch he law no reafon for longer trefpaffing

on' the time of the Houle.
M-. JOHNSTONE and the CHANCEL4OR of
the EXCHEQUER mutually explained.
Mr. CORRY" did not fee the propri.ty, as an Ho
°towable Member had laggefled, of inauding the fam
to be railed for Ireland in the ilatement before the
Houle. The (late or the Irifb Exchequer was filch,
he allured the Houle, as would enable Ireland to pay

whet might be neeeffary.
Mr. FRANCIS laid, he wilted. before the other
reldutions were read, to a& a quellinn or two. The
fir!t was, whether any demand bad been made, and
what Reps had been taken to recover the loan men-
tioned in the third refolutinn. on account of the
Emperor of Germany ; or whether it was to be con-
fidered as a debt extingoilhed ? He was hatpy to
hear. he laid, that the increafe of our means was Co
far equal to our expenditure ; but be hoped the
Houle would never teak to be watchful in putting
every pable check in the way of expenditure, be-
cattle nn one could forefee what might happen, and
that it was cleatly evident the inereafe of expences
was certain. but that of the increale of means was
not fo. As to the levy far the Pipport of the pone,
whether it ought or ought not to (land in this ac•
mint, he would UM fay : hut he thought it should
always be under the immediate eye and view of Par-
liament.
The CHANCELLOR wf the EXCHEQUER
laid, that with regard to the loan mentioned by the
Hots.Gentleenan, which was railed on account of the
Emperor of Germany, the fadt was. that application
had been made for the repayment of to but he con-
fetti without eta!, owing to the very difireffed Rate
of the Aufbian finances ; but that it was by no means
to be esinfidercd as a debt eztinguilhed, for the Aur-
trian Government had acknowledged the Hike of
the demand, and expected its furrow at its inability
to pay it at preen'.
Mr. ADDINGTON—He role to confirm what
had jug been laid by the Right Hon. Gentleman who
(poke fall. that the claim has been repeatedly made
and arkto,wledged by the Emperor's Miniters, as on:
which they were bound in honour to pay ; but Inch
was the dittrelled Rate of their finances, that any fur-
ther urgency could not be ufed at pref.nt. confider-
int; the Rate to which Airdrie had been reduced, iq
conlaquence of her exertions during the late war.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman then ceps':did himfelf
txtretnely glad to fee the impreSon which bad been
made on the minds of the Honourable Gentlemen
opptifite him (Mr. Johnilone and Mr. Francis) I/ the
ftatements which had been laid before the Houle, re-
lative to our expenditure, and pie refources we hive
to anfwer it. He was happy to think that the plan
he had propofed and adopted, of railing ten millions
within the year by war Sales, had proved fo fume-
full and it the Host& continued to fnriport it, he
had no doubt but it would be Rill more Co. For
it was clearly evident, he laid, that there had been
a progrernve incteafe of permanent taxes during
the W. 11% The war taxes propofed in May, 18°3,
were likely to produce 2,5ci0,0c01• he had calcu-
lated only on fo that the,. was an
increafe of a m Ilion during the prrfent year.—
The milioo y expenees r.f halt year wets far greater
than thole of any year. in the IA war, but there
wrre many expellees in that year which could not
our again ; for intlance, thole incurred for the
boat:ling of barracks. and furnilhitig alms for the
Volunteers, cannot occur again gluon the prefent
cornea. It was very apparent, that we have aticts
more than fullicient to provide for the whole of the
preterit debt, and nutflanding effete; alfo to provide
for outfianding debts. This might be afc.ibed, he
laid, to the rapid progrefs of the Sinking Fund, and
the finallnefs of the loan laft year, which put that
fund in a fituation of feventy-three to one in propor-
tion to the whole debt, which in a year of peace, was
as feventy-reran to one ; fo that, unlefs Come onfore-
teen calamity fhould happen, we might hope for atilt
further increafe. He defcribed the (late of our com-
merce with the Spaniards, and all other nations, to
be greater in extent and more flauriflsiog. than at
any former period; and he was happy to fay, that
the increafe of our manufailures, as well Aa their ix.-
proveraont, bore an equal proportion to that of our
Staat and commerce. The Right Hon. Gentleman
concluded with obferving, that, althouth there never
WAS a moment which required more exertion than
the prefent, yet our refousces were abundant, and cur
means would be fully fuifici-nt oi answer eve. y exi-
gency. This was abundantly proved by the papers
then on the table.
Mr. VRANCIS raid, he role merely to ol,:eree. in
answer in what fell from the Right Ii or. Gentleman.
that the Sultiog fund had encteafed vat of toe orpttl;

rum of the public funds, which had milled during the
late and prefent war. And to that caufe might be
chiefly arc, ibed the ad eantaze railing from the differ.
ence between the prefent amount of the finkins fund.
land the debt which had been created. In Rating this
faa, it was very far from his with to fay any thing
that could crude defpondency in the country t Goo
forbid he fhould do any Inch thing.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER'
faid, he had not Rated at.y opinion as to the pro able
produce of the war uses. He only Rated his wifil
that they might be more pinduaive, and that the
Houle might take every neceffary Rep to render them
fo. He would not deny that the linking fund cape.
rienced an inmate in conferinence 4 the deprellion
of the hocks t but that increafe was fo very
that it could nut be ufed as an argument to leffen the
value of the linking fund,
Mr. JOHNSTONE laid, the way by which the
value of a Sinking Fund (melt to be eftimatod was,
by its operating in fuch manner, that every year.
the public debt fhould become left in proportion, se
the fund ent:reafed. But, inflead of that being the
cafe, the debt of this country was Continually grow-

inc greater.
flee CHANCELLORof the ExcHzqsim R fit id.
the Hon. Gentleman was certainly incnrredt in alit
flatement, as would appear from this fast When the
Sinling Fond was fiat ellabliased, it bore a propos.,
tion ct only tooth pan of the whole of the public
debt. nut at this very time. alibringb the debt had
been fo muds entreated, the preporttoo was not quite
a 73d part, In rebroerp, 14103. livires %ph pert.
It was, therefore, critic:radon ihr ciewastel the
contrary way to ushat the Hoe. Gentlemen lilted.
Mr. VANSITTART esprefed his approbation
at the very clear ilattrnent width bosl *Wm made
of the finances by the Right Hoc Oswego: of the
Exchequer. which were fu fistisfalln4 to him, 4asc
he would not have 4-wattled the Houfe in rifing to
that time, were it not to trove for certain refoluunos
of which he bad given entice. He limp entered inn
tome financial katemente, to ffiew °saddle furplus of
the Ways and Means for the lift year amounted to
11,790,0001. stnel that the foams of the country ware
Wetter by two millions, fle afterwards moved tertein
(anima= ontfuant to the tars.
Mr. JOHNSTONE (aid, he took a view of the
finances to the end tit the prefent year, and cooteod-
ed that his thwernent was corral. It would be itn-
poffible our fitnation could be bettered in the manner
the Hon. Gentleman anted, for our Navy Elebt,
which was now at its utrooft height, no account of
the difficulty of getting lumen, would certainly be
greater than it was at pretest; and, befides, it might
be expo led that our military operations might be ex-
tended, perhaps, on the Continent.
The Refulutioos brought forward by Mr. JOHN-
STONE wete then pot and negatived ; and the fol-
lowing brought forward by the—CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQIJER were agreed to :
I. That the total amount of tlte Public Funded Debt of Great
Britain, was, on the ift of Fs.bruiry, nos, 367,333.9781. of which
67,115,9131. has beenat:hared by the CommiSoner• for the Re-
do.flion of the r Debt, and sooll".513;L had been transfer-
red to them mummy. of Land Tax redeemed; leavlog • Pune-
od Debt unredeemed of 480.”2.1761. t--and that the moult of
lAmoitles charged on Great Britain (after dedualbg what ham
fallen in) was on the in of February, iu Short *molds, and fec
Liptess39,979l and to Long Annuities tams etoL
1. That the total amount of Pattie Funded Debt, frealed 11
Great Britain for account of Ireland. was, on the IR of February,
:But. 21.341L0001. of which there had been Pereharod by the Com-
millioners fur the reduction of the National Debt, 1,133,4131. tem-
ing a healed Debt unredeemed Of Sz.siedtlsl. together with Long
Annuities to *cumquats argil.
3. That the total amount of the Panic Funded Debt, created
In Great Britain for accousst oftlie Rhymed demons, we, 01
the t a of February, iB6S. 7,501.6331.ef Which 375,t371. had beta
purchafed by the ConsmiSessers for the reduftion oldie Nat-halal
Debt ; leaving a Fended Debt unredeemed of 7.a 17.496 L together
with 4tuusities to the amount of 530.e01. which will expire in
114.
' 4. That the amass of the OulitandioS ronnsO4_sl._
.arrldest
for on stb of January. ao3. ezcluam of Unftesded DM4 and of
the mtkipation of certain duties annually voted. was, tosasici.
That the Delicieney of Ways and Means for the year this, was
y 1,4311.. making the amount of demands =prodded on the ids
January, Itc3. 764,06:1.
I. That the Unfundod Debt. exelafive of die so ticipetion in the
ttfurl form of cumin Duties snowily voted, and of thole provizel
forty the alda of a Sot, 41110 MACY, an the stb January, tlios, to
9,7333411. ezeinGte silo of siacopocl. advanced by the Ban!,
without Mural; fur the of tlsde Charter; to be repaid
in sic&

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6. That the total amount of the Public Funded Debt of great
Britain, was, or the tlt of February, 'foe, 7117,C08,9y1i1. of which
77,6734674 bad been porebsfed by the Cmondflimmes for the re-
dugtion of the National Debt; and H44711= bed Wen trauf-
(erred to thetp au account of land Tag redeemed; leaving •
Fended Debt unredeemed of 434,1654111. and that the atiminildit
Annuities charged On Great Britain (after dedaillng what ha=
fallen in), was, on the Ift of February. in Shen Annuities, and
foe Lives, 31641.31. and In Lore Annuities ,0647.4941. and that •
farther Debt, arommeing to IS,aorhoool. Capital itneh, has been
crewed by the ferns borrowed in the prof= Sea= of Parlia-
ment.
7. That the total amount of the PublicTuaded Debt. crea-ed
la Gress Britain, for amount of Ireland, was. co the ill of Pe-
brusr!, We, htd4BP:ol. of which there bad been pare.htfed
by the Commikomes foe the redmetlee of the National Debts
t393.6711.1eaving a Fuadal Debt of' at,752.3ap1. together MI%
Lou, Aunalties.to the amount of :64014 and tint a further de:it,
amounting to il,ttoo.acel Carta) Stock, has been created by
burrowed In the prrinet &Don, be Great Britain, ott account of
IrelaaL
S. That the total amount of Public Fended Debt. mewed In
Great Britain, for aervuet of the Emperor of Demmer, was, on
the tit of February. tB, a.7.f• 0331- of which 459.€1111. had been
purehakd by the CommitSoner. for the radar.= of the National
Debt ; leaving • Funded Debt of 7441100. together with Al.
malt= to the amount of apanocd. which will expire In [Sap.
9. That the amount of the Outitanding Demands, =provided
for on the nth of January. that, melee we of Volonekel Debt. and
of the anticipation of certain darks sompally voted. was 1.:-'2040.0.
tam the turtles. of Way. and Means for the year 03, w
t 4 30.664 reducing the amount of demands =provided foe oaths
tlb jahuaty, igo4, to Gtjoxil. the ',helical width yea beep paid
oS of provided fur is the prekot Salon
tea. That the Untended Debt. each:five of the multiplies. In
the dual form of certain denim anousHy voted. and of Fitcheime
Bills provided ice by aid. 1103. souninted. op the 7th January,
stioe,to 16 30‘,60.9. (actuate elk of 3,occi.con. ulvanced by the
Belk, wit hart hymen for the nnewd their Clones, to lr ree
paid in aBO6, of which rum of 16.103 Doti. 2,161,;;06L has been
paid off or provkled kg In the courte of the pea= Seta=
It That the Annual CART' on IMAMS of the Pub ins Debt OF
Great Brnatn,after dedmiing the (berg... at management = Lowe
redeemed by the Commill,mer. for the reduai..n ohne liatiosal
lute, and the intereft ols the flock trana,vresl Foe abc redemption
of the Land Tax. 'he eft of Fehr ery. deg. etc 10.51671.
wed on the to of roof 'or?. 'so., 24.11:447 ; and that • further
charge ha. been incurred on amnion of the funs burrowed In
tpt
ref.:at Sault. =Duette( to 73,..1901.
ta. That the foto =ossify applicable to the redo lion of the
Nivond DA- of Great Britain, in parfoutc of the viral AA*
et-I/vino then to, was, hot ttc rat 'So.*. 6.31t06261 ; bring AMA
1-7 eta part r' =tee:lined fhht milting in 1103. and qua.
fee' the Vw TRs4,t'e ef,h,vrd ear 6.171,1911. Ming about A Lid
, uoreasismi ihist cauldes Y 1804.