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*.dßr PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 19.
The discussions upon the evidence, site. adduced in , the long
pending ease of the Banbury Peerage, were open in the Calm-
mince of Privileges this day; Lord WatsiNCISAM in the Chair.
The LARD CHANCELLOR sledleseed hie seseeleareestspes
the cue at some length. bat moved no proposition thereon.
Lard ERSKINE pillared, and h; a forcible and energetic
1117tof aensiderahle length, delivered his opinions in favour of
imant ; and concluded by moving as s Resolution of the
Commb tee " that the Petitioner hes made geed his slake."
The elainsant of the harem in question is Genera Revolves,
of Banbury.
adjourned the debate, and farther teo-
an
Thursday.
resumed. and after prayers were read, the
private. were forwarded in their
Chem the Marine Mutiny lilt wu
passed, and the SUk htlanufacturereWages
Committee, and *as reported without any

venue only produced
ie deficit of 000. The Right
alluded to the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. roster), in 111C4, in which he had noticed the
decrease in the revenue at that period, and had stand
it would not in any future period be any better. In
that opinion he (Sir John) had concurred, and to
convince the House that the pregnostication of each
was correct, he would state the produce of teases laid
on in theiast year' to thew that the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had calculated their amount much beyond
what they uctualtyptrithieed. For instance, the cal-
culations were as follow :
The Duties wa Wise ...4130/100 produced only 444,0011
Additloaal Tei Duty... $l,OOO 'MOO.
Currants and Raisins—. 10,000 %WO.
Window Duty ...... --... 6,000.
I • Lewin, Jr.n 35,000 ,—..........---.. £l,OOO.
itauslock & Adventism:l.9o,oM 14,600.
Theme defalcations in the estimated amount of pro.
duet, with some other minor taxes, made the to-
tal deficit in the last year's taxes, nearly 4200,0011,1
and he was justified in asserting. upon taking the
average for three years, that the total deficiency its
the Revenue was 81,700,000. It Inlet be said that
the defalcation arose from the difficulties under Ai*
the commerce of the country was placed ; but-that
was not the case, it was the result of over-tatit-
tion.—Articlee of luxury were so heavily borthen-
ed, that the poverty of the people prevented the
consumption, and consequently the revenue was
injured; by imposing additional taxes 'the preceding
one was lost—so that by pouring in a dropmore than
the vessel could hold, it was lost ! He then went
into a comparative statement of the 'produce of the.
revenue at the period in which he held the office now
occupied by the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Foster) and the present period, contending, that duo,
ring the time he officiated, the taxes produced much
more than he calculated. The expenceof collecting the
revenue had greatly increased since 1807. At that
time the expenee was about £41+7,000. Last year it
amounted to X 720,000, of which sum more than
8120,000 was absorbed by the two Boards of Cos-
toms' and Excise for incidental expences, and distri-
buted among the clerks, the soperaunuated list, for
buildings of various kinds, and for new docks (which
by the bye, in Englaad were erected, not at Govern.
ment, but at individual expence). Among the items
of charges was one for
stationery. amounting to
sc2B,oou, the charge on England was only 410,000.
The duty on leather in 1799, produced 451,000.;
and in 1811, a period of eleven years, when it might
be supposed that the population had increased, the
produce had been only £41,000. The Right Ho-
nourable Baronet, after stating some other supposed
grievances, declared, that in submitting his proposi-
tions to the House, he did not wish to compromise
them to form any hasty opinion on the subject ; all
he required was, that the matters referred to should
undergo a complete investigation ; he therefore trust-
ed, that the Resolutions would he passed and allowed
to be printed, and on s.,me future day the Gentlemen
opposite would be prepared to thew that his state-
ment was not incorrect. He then mowed Resolutions,
embodying in substance the statements he bad previ-
ously made, namely
" Resolved, That the funded debt had trebled front what it
was in 1800, and on the sth January 1811, was .C 89.738,792, to
which was attached a permanent charge for interest. sinking
fund, and management of 24,273,000, to meet this charge the
Revenue produced in the last year, only 23,614,000; leuviug a
deficit of £659,000, &e. &c.
On the first Resolution being put, • •
Mr. FOSTER rose, and observed that the state-
menu which the Right Honourable Baronet made
were not correct, and therefore he could -not allow
them to pass. At the same time he could not help
remarking that the Right Honourable Baronet was
the principal hero of the piece brought forward this
night. Admitting, as he di.l, the necessity of a strict
inquiry into the situation of Ireland, he must he al-
lowed to say that the Right H• nourable B it net had
mistaken the time for intrt.ducing toe qu..stion, as
there was not one paper before the H. use on which
to come to a proper decision upon the troth ol the
statements. ',With respect however to the facts state*
by the Right Honourable Baronet, as to the de ici.
ency of the revenue in the last year, he had only to
state that it did actually produce ws,sso,ooo, the dd..-
ference between this sum and that mentioned by the
Right Honourable Baronet was occasioned by his
having forgot to add to his account the extraordinary
resources ; for instance, the profits of the last lotteries,
and many of the repayments. From this statement
the House would perceive the deficiency was not so
great. In making this statement, however, he did
not wish to be understood as arguing upon the diffe-
rence of 2 or £300,000 in the statements in favour of
with the

coder, that, as the attendance oti
be foil, he should on that day move
. the Coroner's inquest, on the Body
who died to the Marshelsea Prison,
.ig would more fay bring the cireum-
UM?, the outline of which Ito had stated,
He did not imagine that any typos'.
t motion, bit be 'eve this notice for
e had' stated.
me routine Jausinoss, their Lordships ad-
to-rmirrow forestomr, peaparutory to their
xis WaisndnnerAbliey„whece a Sermon
a Bishop of, Litebteld and Coventry; but
day u wharthe Prince Regent's Message
owasiderationt . 1
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
' the second reading of the Western Fishery Bill, on the ino.
*On of Mr. CALCSAFF, was tied for Monday the 2:3th of
'Kenna
CieneraIGASCOINE preowned two Petitions, one from the
Slip Owners, end the other frees the inhabitants of Liverpool, in
Savour of the Deal Bill.
The Cotenterciai Road Bill was read a second time, and com-
Illitted for to-morrow.
Mr. WHARTON presented several Accounts respecting the
Danes of Excise on Wines, dm and also Estimates of certain
Sam meessary fee Public 011 ices.
On the motion of Mr. HUSKISSON, the Total Amount of
alb of Exchange, issued by the. Bank pre...loot to the issue of
spantidi Dollars, were urderesl to be laid before the Hoene. Also
any Corr...poosleoce which may have passed between the Corn-
inistrtmen id Treamry and Customs respecting the Illicit Exp art
of Bullion. Also, for a Copy of any notice given by the Bank,
' *sanded 'won th.• Authori•T of Government, as to the Issuing of
Stormed Dollars a' the rate of Ss. ed. eath. The Honoerable
Gentleman gave notice, that be should on the 2d of April, move
Ice &return of the Quarterly Commercial Discount from the Bank.
TUE mon OF THE PARISEI OF SPILSBY.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM moved the second read.
ins of the Bill for the better Government of the Poor
of fipilsby, in the county of Lincoln.
On the question being put,
Sir SAMUEL ROmltLy wished to call the atten.
Coe or the House to this bill, which though professedly ,
of a private nature, was of great public importance. It
tontained in it clauses of a most extraordinary nature,
such as, he believed, never before found their way in-
to any act of Parliament. One of the clauses to
Which he mainly objected, went to enable the Master
of the poor house to punish the unfortunate pauper
by solitary confinement, without any limit to the pe-
riod, if on any occasion he should misbehave himself.
Another of the clauses provided that if any pauper,
damaged the house, or any part thereof, he should bet
adjudged a felon, and be punished as such. There,
was another of the clauses, which (said Sir Samuel)'
Was unexampled in this country for the arbitrary toles
:. it lard down. $y it die Governor or Master of the
r poor-house was enabled to let out the paupers for hire
.: ' rte daily labour, in the same manner as the Negroes
" .In the West Indies are let out on job-work, at the
fate, perhaps, of nice-peace or one shilling per hour,
according to the quanrity of work which his feeble and
exhausted strength might enable him to perform. A
sort or hiring which was perfectly.novel in the ar.
tengetnent of poor-houses ; but this was not all, for
it was provided that if atter he had exhausted his toil,
be should not return without delay, or within a certain
time, which the Governor might think proper, then
be iltould beliable to punishment. (Hear, hear.)—
. There was a clause also for contracting for supplying
Abe houses of industry, in the county with these poor
slaves, so that any parish in the county might obtain
ff'cl this great mart of pauper-slaves a constant sup.
•y. (Hear, hear.) These were the principal regu:
tons it nd penalties inflicted on the poor ; but now
erne the lenient clauses which appertained to the
toaster's stippOved ill conduct. One of the clauses
yespecting him, provided that, if be should be found
guilty of erubezzlieg or purloining, or in other wird%
stealing any of the goods or chattels, his offence
(greater because entrusted confidentially) should be
visited with this punishment only—namely, restitution
three-fold in amount to the value robbed. ( Hear, hear.)
Pr &mod after noticing some other minor clauses
rated. his intention of opposing it on the 3d reading.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM declared that he did not
know such clauses were in the bill, or he certainly
should not have moved the second reading. He did
not believe the Hon. Members for Boston and for
Derby, who had taken charge of the bill, and in
Whose absence he moved, were acquainted with what
had bccn stated by the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man, he should, therefore, in order to give the parties
an opportetnity to consider this extraordinary bill,
wove, That it be read a 2J time this day se'nnight.
.After a few observations front Mr. George Vansit-
tan and Mr. Resnick, the second reading of the bill
was postponed till this slay se'nnight.
MARINE MUTINY BILL.
A Message from the Lords announced that their
Lordships had agreed to the Royal Marine Mutiny
Lill, with sonic amendments, to which they desired
• the concurrence of this House.
THE REVENUE OF IRELAND. ,
Bir JOHN NEWPORT roseto call the attention
If rue to the financial situation of Ireland,
g;o
Unproductive in respect to its revenue.—;
' ' Hon Baronet read that part of the speech
°tilt the Lords Commissioners. which admitted that the
• -yeveasse was deficient, and he stated that he should
prove it was totally unable to meet thee
reven chargeue s o was
the
,public debt ; that in point of fact th
wow deficient 5e6.50,000. The fact being so, it was
high time to inquire into the state of things, and to
apply a remedy to meet the deficiency. Whetheri
that deficiency arose from the inadequate means of
supplying the tales, or in the mode of collecting them.;
Cle thew not, but this was most certainly tree, that!
'there ivits-a great deficit. In respect to the debt ofl
Ireland, that had Increased-1n latter years materially.
Whigs the last ten years it had trebled in 141110U11t....

the produce of the revenue, as contrasted
Right Honourable Baronet's statements ; for he was
prepared to admit that it required all the abilities awl
attention of Parliament to the subject. When it was
asserted that in the gross the failures in the receipts
were enormous, it was sufficient to call for examina•


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his intentions io respect tn Ireland ; therefore that the Honourable Baronet, by withdraw.
that opinion, should Lope (though, for ing his motion, would prevent the disagreeable neces.
ha& stated, he could not agree to the sity of moving the previous question ujon it.
have his concurrence it devising some Mr. BANKS declared, that a matter of greater
relief of that country. Ho had no . importance, or one which required more serious con•
- . - wish sideration, had been - ted in that House.-

opposing the Resoludas.' then a never „ agitato_
not to hold out to the public a statement'd facts as- It was most material that it should be investigated
sinned, and not borne out in evidence. The better at a time when the House could act on the result of
way would be ice the Right Hon. Baronet to with- ' that investigation ; and that time must be an early
draw his motion, and wart until a proper euquiroi iwerio dof the Session. He thought greater aise des
could be made.' He assured the House that he had ;to the Honourable Baronet, whose object was im-
bed frequent conferences on the subject of the otos. ' qmstiooably gained. The aeentioe of the House was
lion of Ireland with his Right Hon. Friend near him, completely attracted to this important subject, and
tad the with they felt in common was to ameliorate could not be diverted from it. At the same time he
the condition of that country. The Right Hon. should infinitely peeler the examination by a Seloet
Osedeman then adverted to the taxes of the last , Committee. He trusted that no time would be lost
year. As to the tax on windows : the view which he in the appointment of that Committee, and at least
. . in proposing the addition, was to affect as little that it would be formed before the Easter Recess. If
at possible the manufacturer and the middle ranks of his opinion had any weight with the Hon. Baronet,
Life—considering that those inhabiting houses having he would advise him to withdraw his motion ; for it
leas than seven windows were not in a condition to would be a matter of regret that the .House sloth
parthe tax. Now, with respect to the collection of divide, when in fact thore was no actual division of
those taxes which had been described as deficient in opinion. He was glad to hear of the improvement
produce, he had to observe, that they were collected of the agriculture and trade of Ireland, but woe zoo.
annually. He had calculated that the window-tax nished at the phenomenon of an attendaut failine is
would produce etft.s,ooo : it had actually produced the to...venue. This failtire bootie:it:tea to negligence
000,000, a portion of it not having been collected, to in the collection ; and he was persuaded thot the see
the amount of i'6,000, but which would ultimately venue might be made much more productive w d
that
correct. The Post Office Tax only produced ,615,000, taxes, similar to those called war tares in England,
and it should have produced 417.500; for it must be . were most applicable to Ireland. They were colkc-
remembered, that the tares having been proposed in ted at a cheaper rate, they fell with a diminished
June of the'last year, could not, of course, embrace weight on the lower orders, and there was compote-
more than the half-year's collection ; and therefore, tively but few means of evading diem. Reverting
when the Right Hon. Baronet talked of 035.000, he to the appointment of a Committee, lie stated it as
was calculating upon the year's account.' As to the his opinion, that it could not be delayed will any
Advertisement Duty, the reason it produced so little prospect ot real advantage beyond the latter end of
was, the printers declared. on the tax being passed, next month.
that it was of no use for the public to send their ad. Mr. }OSTER, in explanation, declared that, as
yertisements, for the additional duty would ruin them, soon as the motion before the House should be dis.
and their papers could have no circulation. That posed of, it was his intention to give notice of the
alarm was now over, and the duty under that parti- , day on which he would move the appointment of a
cular head was rapidly rising. As to the receipts.. Committee.
bills, aad notes, these would tins they had Mr. PONSONBY said, be did not rise to conch on
been estimated at. The Banr produce
leadawd had core- the situation of Ireland, or on the best course of pm-
pounded with Government for the duty as applicable eroding to be adopted with respect to that country.
to their issues, at £5,000, before the addition was ° These considerations he would postpone to the po-
made. They now offered £2,000 more. The failure per period. All things considered, he thought it
in the wine duties was owing to the state of the coup- ; would be advisable for his Hon. Ft iend to withdraw
try loan whence it was imported not being able to his motion ; but he trusted that his Hon. Friend would
produce it, and from the state of commercial credit.. move for the immediate appointment of a Committee,
no in respect to other importations, among which at least not later than this, or the beginning of nest
was tea, to which the Right Hon. Baronet alluded; month. As to the presence of Irish Members, he
that, however, was now rapidly inspoetiog. Time ° did not see the necessity of waiting for their return;
failures in the receipts of the revenue were principally : for he declared, that he would rather see the majority
to be attributed to the decrease in the imports; and : of the Committee composed of British, than of Irish
the symptom was, that the people had not the I, limbers. If the appointment of the Committee
means of laying out their money. This had 'Demi*. ',were postponed until the returnof all the Irish Mena-
vied the decrease. The Right Hon. Gentlemanthen ; hers, and until the production of all the official de-
drew a comparison between the exports of holand 1 cements, the consetpience must be, either that the
and England, and observed, that though Ireland was ! Committee could come to no copclusion in the present
not able to keep pace with the expences of the United ; Session, or that the Session must he inconveniently
Empire, yet in the course of the last ten years. the , prolonged for the sole purpose of allowiitg the Com-
balance was one-sixth in favour of Ireland, with re. i•rnittee time to make their report.
spect to imports. Having shortly noticed some of the ' Mr. W. SMITH was for the early appointment of
other topics upon which the Right Hon. Baronet had ! a Committee, and for imparting to Ireland all the po.
touched, he again stated his wish for full inquiry, and i litical advantages enjoyed by the other parts ot the
until then, he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would United Empire.
i not press his motion. I Lord CASTLEREAGH and Mr. PONSONBY
Lord CASTLEREAGH concurred in the opinion I, severally explained.
that nothing but a full consideration of the subject and i Sir J. NEWPORT wnnld not take up the time of
the union of the wisdom of both sides of the House,' the House by answering the many observations which
could place the finances of Ireland in the state in :had been made in the coarse of the evening, and
which it was desirable they should be placed. Hai which were capable of refutation, but would content,
thought with his Right Hon. Friend, that it would be i with the leave of the House, to withdraw his motion,
inexpedient to adopt the proposed Resolution, as the on the direct understanding that he should be
at li.
foundation of future proceedings, liable as they might betty immediately to move the appointment of a Se.
be to cavil and objection ; but he was happy to hear lect Committee.
that his Right Hon. Friend was anxious that the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEI.
whole of the subject should undergo a thorough in- said he would certainly consent to the withdrawing
vsstigation. He was of opinion that the mode in ,of the motion of the Honourable Baronet, but net on
England of raising part of the supplies within the year ; the prescribed terms. He was proceeding to slue
might be adopted in Ireland with considerable advan- . that the present was not the precise time for the ale
rage. In England there was a tax on property—in Ire. pointment of the Committee, when he was interrupt-
land only on consumption. , ed by—
Mr. PARNELL was of opinion that the financial' The SPEAKER, who observed, that the question
difficulties of Ireland were attributable to the erroneous whether an Monotarable Member ..hould or should
ratio of contribution settled by the Noble Lord at the nut have leave to withdraw a motion, was not debate-
Union. Of the eleven millions of public expenditure able. If any single Member dissented, leave could
in Ireland, a great port was devoted to the payment not be granted. The Speaker then put the question,
of the interest (if loans borrowed since the Union.— and, no dissenting voice being heard, declared, that
It was impassible to regard this or any other great the Honourable Baronet had leave to withdraw his
political tailine in Ireland without being convinced of motion.
the necessity of making the people of Ireland satisfied The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
with their Government. I observed, that he certainly meant to express his di:-
Mr. MAY was glad to find that all parties concur. sent if the leave was to be granted on the understaioh
red in the expediency of an examination of the sub., in g wished for by the Honourable Baronet.
ject- He expressed his conviction, that the.agricul. The SPEAKER replied, that the Right Honour.
lure, the trade, the habitations. and the riches of Ire- able Gentleman ought to have marked his dissent by
land had been trebled since the Union. The civili- an audible negative.
zotion of the country also had been considerably im- Sir J. NEWPORT'S original motion hoing thrre-
particularly in the North of Ireland. He be. fore withdrawn,
-he proceeded immediately to move-
-- other PADers, pre,rwed -,

proved,
heved there was no country where the taxes were more " That t►w several Accounts _ .'apers, .
cheerfully paid ; and he attributed the defalcation of thaebulicuiunise durill:gld this Ses.stiuurne of P !..*
.iracrl•ailie tit, relative i 3 ••
the revenue to negligence in the collection, and to the t md, be referred to t'?
public
a Se►t:ct Committee; 41;i1 that the C.::m; , 1
prevalence of illicit distillation. He hoped that the be instructed to examine intu the cane, a:AI to re2J:t tlte.:
H.m. Baronet would be induced to withdraw his mo- . optidoe to the House."
order that the sub; ' might be submitted to' Mr. ,Secretary RYDER thought the prozee.ling of

.tion. The Right Honourable Gentleman then pro- tion, in eject
ceeded to examine the statements of the Right Hon, the investigation of a Committee. : the Honourable Baronet one atlas mostr extraorsi
Baronet, and first wi
ld
out to the hopes which he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER nary he had eter witnessed Foster) Parliament. His Rizht
(Mr. F
oster had held out in 1804. In reference to observed, that both sides of the House agreed that I lonourable Friend (Mr. bad declared, t;i4t
those hopes he wished the House to recollect that he !the subject was of such importance as to render it ne- if the Honourable Baronet would withdraw his reso-
had expressly calculated the resources as arising from cessary without loss of time to proceed to an inquiry lutions, be would propose the appointment of a Com-
a full peace establishment. He had then proposed to.I upon it. He should regret if the Hon. Baronet per- mittee. Upon this the Honourable Baronet, into
raise the Revenue every year sufficient to meet the ; severed in proposing his Resolutions, as his Right whose mind the idea of referring the subject to the
exigencies of the year, and it had answered his expec. I Honourable Friend had demonstrated that even were consideration of a Committee had never before enter'
Canon until the last year, when most certainly it fell they completely accurate (which they were nut), Par- ed, withdrew his Resolutions, and immediately moved
rapidly. In 1804, the amount of the revenue, taken at haulm; could not entertain them at present, as they for the appointment of a Comm:ltee ; thus taking the
£4,500,000, which it nearly produced, was enough were founded on documents which were not yet in business out of the hands of his Right Hon. Friend.
to pay the iuterest of the debt,—Now with respect to the hands of the Members. The proposition them- . Mr. MAY deprecated the introduction of any party
the deficiency in the last . year, that was to be fore was premature. Another ground of objection to trick into the discussions on a subject of such vital
placed to several causes. The Excise Duties ope- the Resolution was, that they described only a part importance.
rated for only part of the year; as to the Spirit Duty, .of the fact, and abstainesi from that counter.staternent . The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
the increase was not more than £450,000, when in ! which would satisfy the country. His Right Honour- agreed that these party tricks were bat very credita-
fact, if it had not been for the clandestine distilleries, !able Friend had shewn that the average revenue of ble. Although he bowed to the decision ('f the Chair,
the returns would have been snore than enough to !the three last years in Ireland was £4,500,000. It he certainly conceived that before the question v:as
discharge the interest on the debt. Taking it for • was not fair, therefore, to take the revenue of the last put on the leave to be granted to the Honourable
lAranted, upon a fair calculation, that the consump. year alone, vad to state it at ift3;6oo,ooq. He ap.• Baronet to withdraw his motion, he had expressed.
`[-tion of this article was 6,000,000 of gallons, to win
prehended that the course pointed out by his /tight as clearly as he could express it, his dissent to that
might be added 2,000,000 of gallons distilled in psi- Honourable Friend, would be tnost expedient, namely • leave, if required, on the understanding that the til-
-1 vale, making in the whole 8,000,000 of gallons, at that as soon as the terminating of the Assizes in Ire- nourable &meet was to be allowed inuned4c2lY t°
Is. 6d. per gallon, would produce £1,000,000 eta-, land would allow the Members for that country, to move the.appaintment of a Committee, altiough on
ling ; but it it could be charged with a duty as iet I retorts trs: theittarliementary duty, a Select Commit- the queition being put •he had not said o No" so
England, of .7s. 6d. then, the calculation would 'tie feet shOuld he*tkMated to inTektigate the whole of soon as' ht ought. By this error,,liqwevir, he did net
/0,000,000 sterling. He was disposed to jive:the :this great subject, an Ito afford to the House the dim conceive himself bound to accede to the motion oldie
Right Holt. Baronet every degree of credit for tba 'on which they might afterwards act. He trusted, Honourable Baronet.
.• Wing of opinion that the at/.

commonly called Earl of Bats%
Their Lord*hir then adieu
sideration of the case till Thin
The Howe thin regaiaed.
Bitla upon the table, chiefly
respective stages. Ainogg tl
rend a third tints and ►awed,
passed through a Connah
mendment.
Lord HOLLAND gave s
Thar' nest was likely to
to Isaac tee evidence given at
eel the sinfciitiinate dcb•or w
printed; which proceeding a
Mantes or that unhappy case,
to their Lordships' view. H
• tie° would be wade to his s
I that day, for the reason he 11;
After disposing.( game v
Parsed ter forqsa, till to.m*
piseadiag Divine Seevioe is V
will be preached by the Ann
i for businos, till Thursday t
babe taken into conaidensti

\
Lit Je30;000,000. and iwnr War sapaiitiness of
charge upon that siffili tell rift fide beiag of ti
king Fund, and the manormihent, as masons he
meet this charge the coadinary Yea resatations), to
d 0,614,000, so that them wis a cleans for the
The Right Hon. Baronet then other view in o