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examined to the particulars of that transaction. The objection of
the witness was overruled.) The witness, then, in reply to tl"e—
thins put to him, enumerated the individuals composing the depu
Cation. At the interview with the deputation, Mr. Stoner pro.
duced a paper, in the presence of s.:veral others of the Gentlemen
comport* it, which he (the witness) refused to sign, beea.tsc it
contained something which he thought ohjectionable. He finally
signed a paper, undertaking merely to stand, and eve deputation
signed one, pronii•ing to support him. The papers, be believed.
were lust. They contained nothing in the sh.pe of a venni try
bargain. Ile bad a general idea of what a breakfast at Penryn
meant. The deputation spent the whole day with him, anr
after dinner a great deal of conversation took place as to what had
been done in the Borough a great while ago. Breakfasts were
talked of; some said they meant 401. some 121. and some 101.—
others, more or less. Nothing had been said of larger or smaller,
ur single or double breakfasts. No mention had been nude of a
breakfast to be given by him in the event of his being returned
Ile objected to give money, or to enter into any pledge. He Cid
not think he had been asked to give money. He was elected.
and a few months afterwards-ousted, upon a Petition to the House
of Commons, on the ground of the agreement to which he had
referred. There was upon that occasion a conspiracy against hien.
His whole expenses at the election did not, be believed, amount to
8,0001. or any thing like if.. Ile gave way to his opponents, and
I paid their 'expenses on the investigation before the Committee
of the House of Commons. This cost him about 5,0001. Ile
paid 3,000/. to the Agent of Lord De Dunstanville. The reason
Ihe did so was, that a person of the name of Williams bad sworn
that 501. had passed through his hands from one of his (the wit.
ness's) at-nts to certain voters. Mr. Williams was a very respecta-
ble map, arid his evidence ought not to be distrusted; but in this
instance be had bees mistaken. He had been ',debut by bin'
Witickwieth, a hlepitor of the Horn of Conininns, to act as be
did, because he had been informed that other similar things would
be sword to. 'lle had kept up his interest in Penryn from
1807 to 1812; ht:had assisted several holders of tenements in being
put upon the rates ; this established their right to vote ; it might
have cost him 1001. Previous to 1812, he bad lent money upon
mortg le to two or three of the electors. lie had never autho-
rised Mr. Stoner, or any other pers.in, to advance money to any
person, or had ev, r taken upon himself afterwards any sums so ad•
vanced. To the best of his belief, the expense of the election of
1812 was about 5,0001, the expense of the election of 1818 was
nearly about the same sum. All the votes given for him in 18063
1812, and lain, were, as fir as be knew, free and unbiassed, and
without any money being given, or any promise of money.
Mr. Stanton was next called, and deposed that he.was a candi-
date at the election h,r Penryn, upon which occasion his expenses
amounted to a sum not exceeding 3,0001. Dues not know that
any of the money it cost him was paid in any other than the usual
way of electioneering expenses. He must have known if any money
had been given to the voters, and he did not believe that any such
thing had taken place.
J. Ilapson was the next witness examined.
The !timber examination of witnesses was then ordered to be
resumed to morrow‘and the House adjourned at a Qv:Aimee zeroes
Humes °Twice.

HOUS OF COMMONS.
The Alarquis of Cli AN DO presented twenty-two Petitions
from different Parishes in Buckinghamshire, and the Counties of
Carlow and Wicklow, against inrthar concessions to the Diabolic&
Lord MAN DEVI ILE presented two Petitions from the County
of Armagh to the same effect.

Sir ICING LIS presented a similar Petition from Rippon.
Mr. IL MAX WELL presented three from the County of Cavan
to the same tact.

Mr. It. SMITH presented a Petition from the Roman Catho-
lics of Weston Underwood, and one from the Dissenters of New-
port Pagnell, in favour of the Carbolic Claims. •
Sir C. MORG A N presented a Petition front the Calvinistic
Methodists of Glamorgan against the Catholic Claims. • •
Admiral SOTIIERON presented a Petition from the Mayor
and Conowation of Newark bpoti Trent to the same effect.
Mr. MOORE presented a similar Petition from the Rey. Sir
Harcourt Lets,
Lord FORBES presented a Petition from the Catholics in Long-
ford for Emancipation. •
Colonel POWELL presented five Petithins from the Calvinistic
Methodists in Waits againat the Catholic Claims.
Mr. Ii U M R presented a Petition trum the Roman Catholics of
Blasts"' for Knsancipsti 111 l .
Mr. Ist.:NErr, in presenting a Petition from cettlin inhabi-
tants of Warminster, said that the signatures were principally those
of Dissenters, who expressed thentselves hurt at the idea or their
being ungrateful in thosfrwtor had assisted them, and therefore pe-
titioned in favour of the Catholic Chains. The first natter to the
Petition was that of the Chairman of the Quarter S: sslons of War-
' minster, and a Magistrate of the County of Wilts. It was also
signed by one or two Clergymen, by great numbers of Clothiers;
and there was not a nettle to it which he did not know- to be of
high respectability. The Petitioners instanced the various nations
of Europe who had abolished all civil disab•lties on account of re-
ligion, and be hoped that the debate of that evening whilst show
that education and liberality had not been slower in their progress
in this country than in any other nation, however liheral.—Read,
and ordered to be printed.
Alr. PONgONBY presente.: a Petition from the Roman Ca-
tholics of Poule, in Donets/tire.
Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition front the Protestant
Dissen-
ters in Nottinghamshire against the Catholic Claims. The uniform
part, however, which be bad taken would, he hoped, screen him
from any suspicion that he at all agreed with the Petitioners.
• Mr. DENISON presented a Petition from the Roman Catholics •
of Carshalton, for Emancipation.
Mr. WEBB presented a Petition from Gloucester against the
Catholic Claims.
Lord STANLEY presented a Petition from the Roman Catho-
lics of Manchester and Salford, for Emancipation..
Mr. Lori presented a Petition from the Dissenters of Hen'.
ton to the same effect; although the Honourable Member himself
was of a different opinion.
Mr. J. W I LSON presented a Petition from certain Inhabitants
of the city of York, against the Catholic Claims.
• Mr. C. PALMER. presented a Petition from Peckham to the
same effect.

31r. UN E! L prewnted a similar Petition from Hull.
Mr. r. PONSONEY presented seven Petitious from Catholics
in the King's County and Galway, for Emancipation.
Sir J. MACINTOSH presented a similar Petition from the
Roman Catholics of Koarestiorough.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET presented a Petition from
Pontepool, against further concessions to the Catbolics.—Ordered
to lie on the tabk.

Sir J. lilt YDGES presented five Petitions against the Catholic
Claims' from various places in England.
Mr. H. GRATTAN r canned a great number of Petitions in
favour of Catholic Emancipation, from several Towns in the Coun-
ties of Monaghan, Wicklow. Mayo, Langfoid, Cavan. Cork, Wei-
turd, Down, Galway, Dublin, and Roscunimon.
Colonel HUGHES presented a Petition from the Inhabitants'
of Wallingfurd, in favour of the Catholic Claims.
Mr. 11. VILLIERS present'd Petitions from the inhabitants
of several Towns in York-hire and Durham, in favour of the Ca-
tholic

Lord XII LTON preiented a Petition from the Catholics, Pro-
testants, and Dissenters of Fairthorne, hi favour of the Catholics.
General GASCOYNE presented a Petition from the Officers of
Flit-rily Societies in Liverpool, against the Bill before the llotem.
STANLEY presented a Petition from the Physicians and
SUI VIM, of Preston. for greater facilities fur the study of anatomy.
Colonel SI BTHOUPIi presented a Petition from the Owners
and Occupiers of Land in the vicinity of Lincoln, against the Im-
portation of Foreign Wool.
General GASCOYNE gave notice, that on Tuesday next he
would call the attention of the House to the diminution of the
number of Seamen in the Merchant Service.

Mr. Ir. LEWIS brought up the Accounts of the average price
of Corn during the last five years.
The CHANCEL LOU of the EXCHEQUER gave notice, that
on Monday neat he would move that the House should resolve itself
into a Committee on the Act of the 57th Geo. 111.
Lnd J. RUSSELL presented a Petition from the Merchants
and others of Bristol in favour of the Catholic Claims. He took
the opportunity of a.king the Right lion. Gentl,man opposite (the
Muter of the Mint), who was the only one tit his Majesty's Minis.
tern th.t he could see in his place, when it WA4 intended that his
Majesty's Royal Assent should be given to the Mil which bad now
passed both /louses of Parliament for the repeal of the Cut potation
and Test Acts?
Mr. lIERILIES said, that be could give no answer to the Noble
Lord.

• CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETI said, that be:ore he pro.
ceeded to trouble the House with ■ny obsertations, be

should beg !cave to- tiara lei" %Voids tespecting the
004ponemert• of his m bon. froni i lovelier day. and
whi:b he understood had been productive' of income
niertle to many. Honotirable -Members. He ironer
those Horeorrrible Gentleinen. that it must always be 'a
matt* of great regret to him,' to run the slightest risk
of putting them to any ineonverrie- ce, but he shouts,
not now
.ttespass unnecessarily upon the tirne.of Air
Houle by pointing out those reasons which influenced
his conduct, and which he abstained from stating It
the House wh-n called -ni of by a Noble *Lord on a'
former evenilg rea,on , which mutt be obvious t
the House, aril oog the is he shnul.l mention one—
namely, that fit did hot• th.oi thitrk it fair tiwa-ds th(
Administration •of the country to bring forward the
motion at that time. liut as at bad nothing to d
with the subject, he merely me ,it to cx iress his regret
that the poAponement had put Honourable Member
to any material inconvenience, and then proceed to it tie
the ginunds upon which he men it to call upon the
House to accede to the motion which he intended to
make. In doing sn, lioWever, he conli not help feeling
the very great difficulty which he now stood—a dif
ficulty greater Claw lie had ever espe3ienced on any
former occasion, oporrlnaoy accounts, 21
on accoont of the subtraction of those .gi
Ind Watts, the bentfif
• have in supor t ufthe j•rayei-ni the Petit
fletatetition. •firtt by the trauma! by der!
• Honearahle Gentleman who held the pit
in his Majesty's Councils, and of a Lear
Oentlernan Mho had been removed to ant

He must feel-that without the assistance
which were so conversant in the question, and which
were exercised in advocating it, that heuras placed under
ditadvantages of a peculiar nature. With respect to
the Learned Gentleman' (Lord Plunkett) he had been
only removed to another place, where lie hoped that
this• question would still receive the no less beneficial
support -of his talents, and where they would be ex
ercised as much to the advantage of the Petitioners
as they ever were in this House. With respect to the
other Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning), it was
matter 'to hini of unmitigated sorrow and regret, which
he now felt d.eplyiddied, that by hi; loss he had been
deprived•of 'the assistance of one who advocated this
question 'as he dida—as the advocate of religion. He
did deeply regret the loss' of that' Right Honourable
Gentleman—(Hear, hear). In stating • this he had
some consolation, that though politically opposed to
Mr. Canning, during the greater part of his life time—
though opposed frequently to him upon topics of great
interest, and which were likely to excite warm feelings,-
it was to him a satisfaction at this moment that their
political hostility *as never debased by a feeling of
private enmity—(Hear)—that it was never degraded
by any envy of his talents, and that as far as it appeared
to his understanding, he did justice to his merits, and
pail always-to his'talents the homage of that admit a
tion which they Were calculated to excite—( (•sear).
must also be a conso.atlon to rho e who are dearest to
that Hight Honourable •Gesitleiran; however deeply
nary zmight deotbse this 165.--Lalosti hot only' to this
but to the whole civilized world, which was
deprived of the inatunics of his great attainments at a
moment, when that loss was Most severely felt. and
therefore the most deeply to be deplored. To them his
loss must be considered in a public point of view ; but
it must be a consolation to those nearest and dearest to
him, that there was no moment at which he could be
taken from this world with more advantage to his own
fame and reptration, when he hot behind him a name
connected with associations and expectations which
produced regret throughout the civilized world. To
him might be applied the words of the great Roman to
his father-in-law —o 7W vero fella. Agricola, non viler
tondo; charitate sed el. w oppostunitale mortis." Had
the Right Hon. Gentleman toted a thousand years, he
could not have found a moment to retreat from the
stage of public life with greater eclat than the moment
when his tame had arrived at the utmost, when it could
not by possibility be put out of the reach of f inane in
tine to come—(Hear). In b:inging forward th s ques-
tion, he was actuated•by the same spirit and feeling'
which actuated that Right Hon. Gentleman, 'and he
should propose, at the end of his address, a Resolution,
whieti, having been enforce-I by him in farmer times,
and sanctioned by a large majority of this House, cur-
Ceti him to call upon the House to adopt it for the sake
of its own consistency, and nut th s time-to be behind
hand in liberal feeling with the test of the:civil,zed world,
which is advant ng in a career f ality and justice,
that is our du ytobeam ng the first to adopt. Mr.
Canning was attached to the E;tablished Church of the
countrj, as he a as—the sOit it in which he brought for-
ward the question was a spirit not•of hostility to the
Cuurch, hut the same spirit in a hick he now
brought it forward, in the spirit of a friend to the Es-
tablished Church, and with a view not to weaken, but
to strengthen th .t Establi,hment, and to place it upon
grounds which must put it beyond the reach of all as-
sailants. He might say theretoie'of •that Right Hon.
Gentleman, " Though he be dead, he yet speaketh,"
and he should endeavour, its speaking of that subject, to
speak in the same feelings and sentiments, and o nh re-'
Terence to the ultima:e vie*: and objects of that Right
Hon. Gentleman. He trusted that he should be con
sidered as standing there not with any feelings of hos-
tility to the Established Church, but as one ut its mem-
beri; and as a man persuaded upon reason and principle
that it was the best Church, and which, it he (S r F.
Burdett) had a choice, he should be inclined to adojt.
The Honourable Baronet having eulogised the character
of Dr. South, the Head of Magdalen College, Oxford,
whom he had the honour to reckon as a friend, said
that what he should endeavour to make out to the
House, as the case of the Petitioners, would rest upon
different grounds; all and eithet of Which, if made out
to the satisfaction of the House, must be conclusive in
•heir favour. First of all, he was anxious to make 0.-t
to tl:e csolvictirin of the House the justice of an ancient
Treaty, the detOirture from which he could not help
looking upon as the origin of all the evils under which
the Catholics labour at this day. He considered the
Treaty of Linitrick as the 8:11 of Rights bet wren the'
Roman Catholics of Ireland and the people of England;
and since the Right Hon. Gent. opposite (Mr. Secretary
Peel) had giv. n them to understand that if what had been
done had violated the rights of the-Roman Catholics, lie
would be inclined now to make good the •puhlic faith,
and to give them the advantage of that Tte-sty—this the
, Right ft n. Gentleman 'had repeated more than once,
and stated, that if a violation could be
shown he would
givethem the advantage Of big vote on that occiaion.—
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N •ve this What mike tt necessary For him to endeavnufto
!Hake out that to thition ; an,l a, bekinald show, as he
'thought he•eou that all that is now asked for by- the
Petitioners at the B4t of the House w is granted to them
by the public 'faith of this country in the Treaty
of L metick, be thought he should have done enough
to induce every *Member in that House to say th at. the
prayer they asked should he granted. Thar being the
lift& proposition, then came another not less easy to
nut, the Treaty of U:ri.n between this ennetry
and I eland, where solemn Iledges were given- be
he people of this Count:), 'td the people of
and where those pledges had not been
he measure that was then Carried' into execution
wo.ild not have been adopted ; and if that meanie
- Alia WAS propo,ed had not been ad red, and if an
utdeeendent Perliament had been still esi ting In that
country, he woild put it to any-Gentleman in theliouse
•n say, whetiser that independent Pttrliament could this
day,have repudi tell the Petition • of these petiioners
He should g.) on to show that what was t'ten asked
was beet:riling of us to grant ; and if h was becoiting
to grant—if it had not be n te4ing:on eninrnon untie
and sound jistice, it would still haOV6 le cfinsiderea

that if any of the advantages secored•to the Roman
Catholics of Ireland by the Treaty of Lfeerick had
been violated, that %mild alter my vote; butt feel that
nothing has been done to afford any ground for tuaviriye
their disabilities•removed." Now, he W - at is ne with
the Right Honourable Gentleman 'O.l this point ; and
...wild that this bad been argued by a mote cJnipe enc
individual, and in a more satisfactory manner, and an
able advoiate, he should have perfect confi in the
result. In referring to the first article in the frac* of
Limerick, he found there nese two distinct m robe; sin
it--the first relat-s to the exercise •of religious rights ;
and the second is, as it stares, for such further tech!
city of the Roman Catholics as might pre,e!sie theni
from any disturbance on account of their religion. Noir,
he would ask this House, aisd he would put it to tie
common tense of any living man to say, whether it 'is
no disturbance of a s teligious rights to be de-
prived of all political rights t n account of his religion?
Whether it is no disturbance of his religion, white that
very religion is made the sole subject of disturbance,
and when he is compeltd either to abanami li's religion
altogethrr, or to give up all claim to his political lights
and liberties? This was the &Meta y under which the
Cacho ics were placed, and it was impossible to c n-
ceive a condition in which it was more unjust for one
human being to place another, than it is to make the
enjoyment of political advantages dependant upon the
entire abandonment c f his religions feelings and views.
The Rielet:Htenoural le Gentleman will recollect, that
st ted that this Treaty related to private right and
matters of property. Now the •ecood article is ve.
material to be lo ked to in this respect. for it goes on
to stipulate that they "should have all their privileges as
they had in the reign of Charles 11. Now, he did not
see how it was possible to stipule e more expressly for
the enjoyment both of the private and public tights of
the Roman Catholics of Ireland th n ia these terms ;
nor did he conceive that these words could, under any
construction, mean any thing but to provide for the
political, private, and publ c rights of the Catholics.—
The Treaty expressly stipulated that the Catholics should
have the sari e rights and privileges as they ejoyed in
the reign of Charles the Second, aid they were there-
fore most indubitably entitled to their political as well
as to their private rights. He would now all Ode to
another part of the Treaty, because it clearly showed
not only the manner in which they had been depiived
of their rights, but it also showed that they them elves
entertained an idea of the manlier in which they might
afterwards be oppressed. .'Phis pact of the Treaty ex-
pressly states that the Catholics should not be obliged
'to take any other 04'h than the oath of allegiance. 'I bus
'they foresaw the means by which they might be dit-
garbed in the enjoyment of their privileges. He trusted
that no Man in the House ss.ulcl rise up to justify the
!tissue of crime, oppression, and cruelty, recruited to in
the time of Que.a Anne—a tissue of clime, cruelty,
,and impolicy, which wet e to unlimited, so uniiiintto ed.
Ise weak-minded, and to gloat which set the whale v 1-
lanies of the would at defiance. No man could deny
that these wete violatious of the treaty of Limeitt k.
The Right 'Hon. Gentleman hrmstlf (Mr. Secietary
Peel) could not deny that they were violations of the
Tteaty. • The Right Hon. Gentleman had on a former
occasion stated, that his w as not the correct construction
the Treaty, and in support of his as'setttoit he re-
ferted to the speeches made by an eminent induriaual
at the Bar of the lush House of Corna.ons ; end fe-
cause that great man, in his defence of the rights and
privileges of the Catholics, had not insisted that the
Treaty had been violated, he contended that, thei elm e,
this construction of the Treaty was the correct one, and
that it applied to their rights of private property, and
not to their political list/U. But they were at issul upon
this point, though even hid it happened that that great
man had not argued that the Treaty had been violated,
still with him that would not have been conclusive; for
the words of the Treaty stand immutable. Wh et, he
asked, was so natural, as that a lawyer, when pleading
upon matters relative to the violation of private pro-
perty, should not travel out of his way to discuss points
which were' not immediately applicable to the sub-
ject? But he did take the opportunity, and he•not only
entered into a vindication of the rights of property, but
he also enlarged upon the infringements of the Treaty.
and the violations of the political tights or his Cathol c
countrymen.' He thought the Right lion. Gentleman
must now agree with him, that he had been mistaken
in thinking that that great man did not argue the ques-
tion in its relation to public weal, 'as well as to private
right. He had heard it often repeated, acid remarked,
that the Catholics were now insidiously pretending to
have a feeling in layout Of the Protestants. It unlm-
tunately happened that the Catholics weietob generally
judged by the misieliresenfations of their enemies. But
when the facts are looked into, those misreiresentations
are ditected;_and the calumniatej'Catholics were raised
in the holiest estimation of those who judge them fairly,
and 'the virulent 'calumnies of their opponents were
aillecralray; (The aim. •ftuonet then quoted some

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Ind. patiiculatl) a 9 stlnditix on the strohg iimatilolittliriTire faith Aid
i eat and splen- ' Oblie iecurity. With i. ea' ro the th, i • 's
itionets ; of _
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.h of vie Right to. ' itilidarlf ieailiiieffi if
incipal situation Mai . the himself: de
tined and Hon. in 18 ' ti 'id ....4*- I ehikk' it, i•
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nother place.— sary for Me to sta•e. that 1 shall not shrink trynit *Alit
!cif thosetatents I said in.the year 1825; and that if 1 cows, taiiatisfied