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'td, and whicli if diectelfed, knight !lave the dire,/

enciencY to irritate nat,onal pride, and excite mutual 1
refentroen: s, though Miniliers did not themfelves
confider them as a jolt ground of war. Nliniflers
ad beta charged by the Noble Lord with.pofilh.ni-
'.y:..and tansessoferia: elpeir4nfwars -to -4 Is e.restsOn.
ilrancts of the rrench Government ; for inhnce,
wilt refp.:Etto_their • /01) Pr 'cOntrouling the li.
sty of tie prefs. ' His- Maielly's 111iniftrs tefafed
she deriaod, affd ;twat the's- lieisSif the' y chgel,,to
take offence at the refulal, .more dim oisesto4vmer•
in exafperattott et thf *strand. v Hick cotnd cad), ;
leo! to the prbtl'Airca•iif e'er.: He •tlcitied'ilitt 'ith',,i
charge.of the:1011e
_Lord:Was founded, in ittribstring.•
to his Slajelly:s• Speech; -*Math- lit 'svai at Isbell y to..
collilder as
.the freecis of theAirriller,...at the nen-.
~i.....,
4)&4 the Paiiithrent,. any avowal of esi;thig:cassfep
for war.: That ketch only declared his M,.jesty'"'
viral not be indifferent to what was: pilling nn the '
Continent, 'but (hoof& keep', a vigilant •e•?'e. to sny..:
thing which might he likely to affea.the ioterel of
this country, and therefore In midi of the Noble,_
Lord's astmiterit •as was lodisation, this offertine
*nil fall to the grenktd. It wiS -fai4.thal the:del
wand to Wrath the Fienclifr'firces was Another; CAllkc..
of war.. Here again his Majefly's Miuilleri• refilled '• •
.to comply; and.if any caufe of war citified um* s
;the occafioh, it was with France' Citing offence
it our refollf to abliteldi thofe illufiriclus :Princes *
whom. the French Oot comment viewed as that., ens. -
mies, and not -wit is who efufed to•rompfr arldr,
'their demandt--4Vlitrit !qid u, or-trore proper
could his Meiefty'a-Min. la dune on' he cwt.
fens ? But the Noble-Lind.hud Aid, that filinitiers
Ihad ail-tired die French Gairetimient,-that durfarcatiL
take into their VrintetagLldoit the /0%1441 orFreoch
I perfons Orom ibis couteryo aad this b 1 *Were.%
as the very time of national difgrace. Int-lAOm
did, they contemplate to . remove.? Not the Ercathi,
1 Princes, but perfons whist protetitd under the holy".
taht y of Os• country, fisould prefiline til publilb li.
belt. upon other GoverriMents with whet* we wereat,
peace, and thus endangertheenmity of the two dm
***anent& • . In the cafe, however,• of dm French
Princesatid Em4,7rants, as well .2.% in titat Of die 11.
betty Of the P'a'th; 114rilh no Man More highly' ali..
mated than he did, Militias. did toot fyi.ddo they
declined compliance io she one cafe, und,ovfoilideeen
trout in the other s• addr•lt woe toot for'thent 'to tiki
eaufe of offence or oicitiOn for hottiray : Bill, e4iiiil
tilde of war did, really:ectur il.ihe condu& OF
France; When her.. Goverument *Clams Ir Would
contiderent TAIGA to entwine Inbili)•ii afiventalit‘ l-• .. •
"mai
,deciatadtin of *it; !natant killillirtreti..dileo6.-.'
low, and hie Majefly'f.blinifieria- qrlth isAWspeg.,...
Poet, had:token it tip, and he had thitnetfi 'reliefs* ' •
that thofe 'dingier's: where joßitti oted:. ' tiller.
had fo.emineally maykod thei?•ea,ngltettion . -
peace. would, in the. coisiluel or Qat*: seines Cbtir,,.
ability:to • gangliat 14 .wisb licsoeur....afoissaduasaaaa,
to dm -nation, and with joiliee,"Wthe-pnislibwermw
fidence- they fo eminently +lnd (a juthlrfeejollell-- "
'He coincided wit's, many of shore arginteeta which
bad been ofed totting, do deity audtrot,onis-
•los el* bell exertions of the Country.aadpi dont
ale, to .maintoia-theisdiiraw and Sanity nf -dui!
c...-,,,ms v, atd:sauTostst.T'esigibillnotestotrasi -var the •
'III itith liaturawns neitbcr.W.7fre centefaultd.iiiiiit
midated Ly his audascions-threats s and hicoaol
b ya prftizing- for .havinr. Coins* trelpolied spiel AM
' time of the Moore, and hr :700ft eons:oho i!ess.:-
w,0,.,„. , „
....
Sir Ws t:st Au Yana°. fully "einellied-bbAbstrenW:
masts which had beers avowed. frows•all fides Of the
iii•ufe, touching the aggfellionary.and loidiiit-fritie
of the French Government rearbod toweldi thia;
country, in every quitter of the GlObesltedt the
Treaty of Amiens to ths4wefent hour. This ioriacis
pie was *vistaed in the coeotion -siber.posifer-aad in,•
Iluence to exclude our manufaltures front merysoom•
try io Europe ander her contfoul, in olumwamos•and•
rapacious fellatio and congfcation of our 4bips in her
ports. in her conchs& caviar*. peitilb (IMO& at tiae r-
titi;epe. on the Currant:ter of . that ill mei whorkit
obliged to quit the Wand. aadalicasairaieitheteleir
land fell off all their goods for what thee airpalsk.brier
by a certain day—all marked or ..roetadk alai deters.
I mined fpirit of hottilis y, which would 4,l4oeisisermam
1 try, to view that Governments:lily lithe 4sght of me
implacable enemy, bent on uor.altinsate dettreition.•
At the conclufiun of the former war, a toonmerciall
treaty had beep formed with France. ander the ail
! picot of a Right :Finn. Gentlemen their hantelkir at
I the Exchequer, which was hailed by this country.. um
l der the pi:cleat Adrianiaratinns it did not appear that
any fuch arrangement had been attempted. though
it might hive been done with Co much reciprocal ad-
i vantage to the commerce and matual.ameirofbotk•
• To fuck an arrangement, the nit Confol bad mark-
' ed hit aterfion ; and, in his mind, the tripe Okla
this country to be adopted towards France, wee ea
view it as a great military Itepublie, beaded by soma
, i too formidable and too eminent in anterpsioe..to be
dafpifcsi or difregesnied pa menwhos whoa broom
Ito put into anion his real defies, would not be feast
intoxicated with loofe, vague, and undigelied projelblf
but-prepared to follow up !derma p*.• milt the wok
determined and defperate (phis.. SW' mull therefore
I !be prepared againtt Ina attent. .It was of the:tierp
;nature of a Military Remeltk .to find tardiest cow
Iployment for its troops; without this it waft cede to
i grin ; and thus, fo long as France retained thin forms
tit was immaterial whether Bonaparte Mertes. or
I ,r,. might I LA 11...
1 who 5r,... .13 al her head Sit wouldg be 4ns. po.
1 hey to vomit forth her troops. upon every furround.
ing nation, which r•ffeied them enterprises te Mufti
itheir trance or ambition. He concluded by, witiej
for the ItoOlittirms. . • • , • .
Mr. F./MS[4l.6ov s begged leave to congratelata the
K.ufe And theCotint,ty, that Minillors bed Ant made
war limner, fincer by waiting, they had confefedty ((-
cured the unanimity of his idajeity's &Frieda, which
would foon convince Europe in general. that Viten
Trenties were eidated• Great 'Stearin cools* ewe its
force. and that unanim surly too, in defence of its
Jeered rights. On 'hp whole, he thought that they
were not 'mato be tried or blamed tor what they had
'omittedtodo,but to be praifed for whet they had done.
Mr. AROUSALS thought that more had.beee Paid
with regard to the conduit and refponfibility of-Mi-
natters than they really altfcrvcd, either in 'Altera to
Peace or War. As N War, they• have evidently
thews) their difpoMson to avoid it, bat it appeared
in them akit did ro him, to be imprithble. He her
get Gentlemen ro recoiled. that it was not human
patreoac, but the judgments; of ma which was to b.

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Pi itateriet y, keen tin Thirion elf eolotlit
Seballiani, and its nature, were fully underflood in
Septembet laic; Ho* then could Ministers account:
for their reoccupation and fubfequent cefGon'of thttl
Moll important lettleinent, the Cape of Good Hope 3,
They bad in that infiance made a new War, and im•'
mediately after a new- Peace, and all without the
*content 49r knowledge of Parliament. It might be
laid: that they referved thefe coMmtinications until ,
the Treaty'of Amiens was fulfilled; but this plea could
fiercely be allowed, when it was confidered bow often
• Minißers thernfeltei had broken that Treaty. This
great and important event had taken. place whlllli
that Houfe wai left in complete ignorance of what
was going forward. • They had cut off all conftitu.
ti final enm unica t on bet ween that Houle, the Throne,
and the People, and he was of courfe 6f opinion, that
the refolution on this fobjeet was completely' boi'ue
out by the falls. The detention of the Bridal '
yeffels was never. mentioned, nor did the Houk
know. at the prefent moment' whether it had 1
ever been made the fubjeft of amentoriat With
refpea' to the Commercial Conwhillionees, or, as deep
were more properly termed the Military Spies, he
was happy to find the opinions of two
'Members (Mr. For and Mr. PITT) in aria unifon
and concurrence. On that Cubic& Britifh feelings
&mild have ditiated a Rrong remobßrance but all
that was before.theHobfe on-this topic eonfilled in
.a
'few veßsil dejiils. It was the fame with refpeet to
Holland; the Inv:shot% of Which, by the. French troops,
Was iiorproperV confidered as a caufe of war,and yet'
titers appeared nothing *re than the intimation of'
(Attie Verbal.aPPeals to GeberarAirdreofG. If Minitlers
hid tasked a large and liberal view orthiaubjed,ihey
Would have found in Recingly advocatiog the cafe of
Holland the means or litildng out_ lees more elolely
with the interefis of-the Continent J.,-veliesetia, by put
tint forth •Milta as our objea; it appeared that We
were Rruggling only for tout individual end infulateel
Intereßs. Oi the fcbjea of Holland there Was no
remotsflrince on the Table and, On the contrary,
Minillers were found to praife the prudence and dif
ereticn of Lord Whitworth in n t prefrrog the. 1:14t
ter beyond a certain point. With refped to SWltier;
land; it was known that three or four Deputies from
that country were its London, early in Sox, ancithat
they were here for months without being able to get
acccfs to Minißers. They made their application,
however, in June, but Minißers declined all inter•
ference until Odober, when it, was certain that they
cntild',ntit Obtain the aid 'of any one Continental
Power. When Mr. Moore was fent at length on his
diplomatic million, he found that the bufinefs witi'en-
tirelypincluded. &Memorial. Was prefented on this
fubjea in the murith"of November; hot, as far as it
appeared, it was never enquired after 'wail the
_Fe-
bruat y following: The Menet of ?ranee on this fub
jea was certainly nothinglefithan a delberaptiriftlit.
. on this country, an 4 a purfnance of her iiifolent pots
.eiple, which held forth, that we !tumid be precluded
from all interference in continentalairifrs. Exa§tly
. .
hs the fame spirit had the Minifters tnterfered for the
'King of Sardinia: he had refuted a treaty with France;
An no other ground than thachimould not exclude
Brltills'veffils from his ports; and yet now it appearid.
front the language of bfinifters, that this potentate was •
.to be. treated as an enemy. The Tuition refpeeting
the. Viand of Malta was the next ferions objed of con:-
fideration. It Gould have been the aim of Minitlers
to have gained the good will of Ruffle, and to have
won the Emperor Alexander, if prifEble, to our hi.;
tereßs. But what was the condo& pqrfued on the,
contrary by his Majelly's•Minillers In the month.
of November left, if be was not much milinforneed as.
to the faast we had entered into engagements .striels,
the Court. of Peteribisrgh, which effedually put it oat
of its power to accede to the.guarantee propofed by,
the Treaty of Amiens. The intentions of the Tait.'
pemy as to the re-eftablillsment of the Knights of de.,
Jobb, were txpeeffed and known to our Government;
ye", with this knowledge in their minds, they • had
ailed on the toth article of the treaty. of miens, as if
they were not aware that'it was a mistier which-could
nat. pbffibly he carried into execution: They-were fully
atured.theEmperor would nor accede tothe
sent of a Mahe& Lague, and thatbe was not.wholly
reconciled to the mode propeiled of eleaiog a Grand
, Mailer; yet, with all this. convietion on their minds.
Minißers had ailed as if they were in complete igno-
rance oftheir own engagements,and as if they simnel--
.
lured of the complete concurrence of the Emperor of
guflia. As to the Cape of Good Hope, when he was
teld that it was to be given up, he lamented it as a
condition forced upon Minifters by the overhearing
fpirit of the French Government. But what was his
.furprife on learning, that, in the very firll *term of
the terms, Lord tiawkelbury had hinsfelf the prof* ,
of this important fettlement, on the condition-oily'
that it should be made a free port. The funender of
the Cape to the Batavian Republic was, in fad, sad
in effed, a furrender of that fettleatent to Franee..-6:1
Me requefted the attention of the Hoof, to the dates
on this important lotion. , On Nov. as, Mr. Line.
Rated that his remonstrances eq the (tibial eff.thene.
copancyof Holland by the French troops,weve
On the tath, orders were fent to Lord Whitworth to
remonarate against thole proceedings{ and yet on
the 16th of the fame months dirsaions siwe given to
fsirrender this moll valuable fettfement to Holland.
Ar in fail to France. This was fufficient to Mew how
imbecile was the condo& of Minitlers. In the invef-
' tigatrim of that cohdua he did not hold himfelf bound,
as to the queftion of tirne. If ..that argument were
r, to be allowed, it would completely and entirely cx.
' tinguifb the controul of Parliament on the proceed-
ings of Minißers. be the latter of what defeription
they may. He Should therefore have ma hefitation
in voting for the prorifed Itefoleabas.
The CW•OCILLOR of the Eaceseassa next core.--
T fhould not. Sir, faid he. rife feareeiy is tke prefent
difcuffion, were it not that feverel of the charges and
obferva taunt that have bee foforeibly infißed uponby
the Right Hon. Gentleman who (poke lad; teemed
ipavfonally to be direaed awing me,' and that I am
bat too (edible of the weight they melt carry. with
them when they mime under the fanaion and authuci-
ty of his name. Much, Sir. has on the precast and
former occaftons been remarked upon the treaty of
Amiens. I (hail now only repeat what I always have I
'felt and faid refpelting it. vit. that confeientioudrand
deliberately I enteitain the fame opinion of it as I did
at the time it was immediately under difeuffroo. and
that opinion prompts me to pronounce that it was a
tneafure not only wife, pension, and nseetery it the
time it was adopted, bus tint Is has foss bus pedals,

exerted in (nth ,*.ettteMent as the Orden/. fewai not
unnatural to advert to the dilution or &kith ground
which, in a late war, had been Co nobly conteft-d,
and probably would now be comefted aigant. He
withed to turtt the thoughts of the Honk to what has
been called the moll vulnerable part of his Majtit y's
dontinions—he meant Ireland; where the temper and
di(pofition of the majority of the inhabitants were laid
to be favourable, on a late oteafion; to the Ciente M
France. That opinion. however, originated in a groat
rneafure from the condufft of the French Cnnful him •
fell; but were he now to anew a defccnt even on
Belfait, he would find hinifelfMkironfly tefifted,
gnod fubjells from principle. and by 'Jacobins from
nvenge. If the firft Conful had (mended the depths
and tendency of the public mind. inftead Oche hitr-
hours of the Country, he would hive found that the.
tpirit of unanimity pervades thronghont the Whole of
rlic inhabitants. Hreoncluded a (pee& of confider.
a'de length, by (peaking highly of the condo& of Mt'
nitterwin every particular, relative to the precast,
lovatipn of the Country.
Sir W. W. Wv it N t (poke in fappolt of the rooiion. '
and 'obletved. that if ever there was a time foe rekat.,
ing injuries received, it was the prefent one.
Mr; COUSTMOY laid, that he hoped the *sentry
Weald, in the• prefent inflanee, join . head in hold in
the caafe in which we were engaged. He wanfcartb.
however, to (cc& little prolpea of attaining that de.
farads objeCts He conceived the Chancellor of the
Kichequer to have been peculiarly unfortunate in his
Minifiry. In the opinion of come, he had too hafiely
concluded peace, and too tardily renewed hollilities,,
while in the opinion of others he had ten precipitately
plunged the country into wars The former thought
that there was no remedy for a bad peace but that of
breaking it as fpeedily as poffible. They reminded
him of an advice which was attributed to that great
medical philociphical Statefman Hippncrates, who,
en being confulted as to what lhould be done in the
cafe of a perfon who had the misfortune of having hill
leg broke, and added to that, 'the misfortune of
having it badly let. he replied, that he knew of no
remedy but that of breaking the leg a fecond time,
and having it let by a more fkilfol forgenn.
Sit W. Mato' se thought' that the prefentatiotioni
were dire attach against his Majelly's Adminiiirm-
tion, while. in his opinion, thole who compored that
Adminiftration were men who had deferved the ap-
probation of the country. He approved of their con:e
dual in every inflance, and thought they had eate'
properly, in the manner they followed; in order to
get the .better rf the paffinns of a man who was fo'
afluated by pride and ambition. as the, Firft C•intlel
certainly was. If any fault could at all be ;fllgned
to them, it muff be. that they had not rue far
enough in their endeavours; foe in his opinion We
Mould not have valued any of the infulu and indig-
nities whiff; had been ricked to this conntry, if peace
was to be, the eonfeimience. In his opinion, the pre.
fent Adrnioiftration had plaloly (hewn to the country,
that they liked their conftituti nt.
'Sir T. Mavcat ra thought that a censure pAd on'
Minifters would not only be unjuft, but could infwer
no good ; on. the contrary, mug do mifchicf. He
could not help aferibing the fame motive to the mover
ainhad lothetitcce Foch motions at former period/,
newly, a delire to turn oot one fit of men, and to
bring another into their places. He trufted;Reeteeet.'
If Coda was the motive, the party wbuld tea itfilfl
difappointed. • The (haft was: levelled time.
early at the Chancellor of the Exchequer; let, fit
trufleol it would fly' Wide ofthe Mark: "That Hon.
Gentleman flood high in the eftimation bf the people,
for having brought them the Means of peace, and
tbey would give titn credit"' for a defire to keep it,
lu4 it been compatible with &hi% honour and in.
tank, He had likewife left a veiy important
tine to take upon hiinfelf the arduous talk of Mlniller;-
wfituation from which he meift have retired with ha j
'tours and dignities; it, therefore, could not be OP.!
poled that any thing bat a fincere defire fbr the pufillt
good, and the fervice of his country, could have',
*floated his coredne. Mead, therefore. of drawing;
on him and his coadjutors the cenful e of the Mink,
they deferred the thanks of the country. 011 that
ground he'lhosdd give an unqualified vote againft tkm
refolutions propofed.
Mr. Cacaoa (poke in favour of the motion, and
was of opinion that the enndoEt of Minifteiewnspa.:l
fatly the reverie of what it really ought to have been.'
Mi. T. Gasaviaaa commenced a Teri
sons (perch, by oblerving, that he had beldisactot
the relent occafion, in the hope of hearing fnine aygn
Meat mote poWerful than any Which he could of.
Finding, however, that Gent eaten were en one fith,
he felt himfeif compelled to mire, if it were only for
the pupate of giving a variety to the debate. In the
few remarks which* be had td offer. it was impotfible
for him to avoid fome few repetitions, bin it was a
duty which be owed to his country when he orate to
Aloe his feeling on the prefent fobjeCt. He snnft
difelabn me the relent occasion all motives of party
and of intereft. He mull alto rebut, in the firft kinetics,
the fuggeftion which bad been made, that this was
not a proper time for (rich a difcu Okra, as it could only
tend to give important information to the enemy. He
ins fully aware that we were now engaged in a revere
and trying contd.; but the only interence which he
could draw from that adrniflion was, that it was the
more neeefary that the public affairs Ihould be well
adminiftered. at the moment when we were aftnally
fighting for mar lag Rake. He had frequently been re.
pelted bya filmier objeltion, and told that it was unfair
to pref. upon Minifiere during a pending negociaticas,
but now that we were alnally at war, be law no ob.
jefioll.lo his taking into confideration a parries, of
their meatures, or of entering fully into the quell's,'
he mull tberefore auk, what was the real flaw of the
Country in May. Arai, when the Chancellor of the
Ilehemser pronounced the peace to be certain, and
raid, that he Caw nothing in the difpnation of Prance
eif a contrary tendency ? The Peace was then pro.
mounted to be eve/letting. and whenever he Ills( fled
a doubt on the fobjelt, he was always fere to And
himfelf in a very inconGderable minority. in the
King's Speech of November 23, which he was war.
ranted in considering as the finecle of the Minifters,
the public was congratulated on the (celerity and se.
;site which it enjoyed, and ezhorted to cultivate the.
blether of peace. At that time moft of the circang.
times which were now cited as caufes of war,
were fully known to Minifters. The influence of
the Phil Coifol over the Italian Republic. the (ci-
ente of Piedmont, Perms, and Placenta, and the
confifeatiom of the Spsaiik Phones, were all matters.

five of the fisoft teneicial ettnieelweiteev; nor will lAI whin i colierf.:..i.ta has ',Ten : •IC:-. '' - ' lIC ' '
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lielitate toaffirm that Ilhould nut leave now tocongra totik pi ace in .4 difinll7 • . .41 411 C t.....1...710:.'4:•:•t ...'..r...1.:
tolate yob, Sit; the Houle and the country on the rpi I In thAt cony ;-f•til:f I ,r, a7:tir, I':po: '.., .0 it..ve:
lit. the vivid!, and th'e unanimity which the prefent i (aid, that I Lai ti, tzi.,..!l•tio:l t:iat ti::, v:Ar w, Od
emergency has called forth, were it aht for that arety'' be renewed. iVnat. I (rid then, ,air, moray i r fr.' ad
tieaty ohicbls foloudly arraignedand fra feverely dig. to the II•te of our n.aval and mili•.l:7 Or;i,,,i)f.
inatiked. Of the wifidnm and bmieScial confeouences Which I a ffe-ted W.% pot intend:A to a arwer ar,y
of that treaty. not Maly do r cniviime to retain a liar ' riot's of a m!ii!ion and Avg, anoizerriet..., hot ha,f only
ddned fenfe, but lam ready, • Sir, now to go further, ;h couiempiati• ft the atrer t:-11 0f nor j•ilt righ r,
and to affirm that it was Oro wife and detiaable to en and the ni t'itteit:nt,e ,•I. the h!,. cri ,e, of pe acc.—
deavnur to triaintain it 1 and until the cattle. have oc itut I sib ca,!er, ;;i: , ni,•- to ,e1...0-- .the lintate
tarred which produced the pt•efent raptor+, califes foini any faaa het relocate,: in any I a.o fr 'iLd by
which have been dated with all poffitile truth and ae me. I with !hen to reti Illeir ovilli.,ii fr. lamer al.
"curacy,it was thefirdwithofmyheart,Sir,aild I think thority; let . lac thole., th.rehoc, catat.o! the accords
I may venture to fay it Was likeWirc the fird with ,1 f Parii arta:tit, and the.% will titer f.-P.1,1 ,f !Lit stew the
the hearts of my colleagues its office, that the peace real f.f.t.faevas of his Maajeay's fo haler,. Let theM
might have been maintained ifit could be maintained coafielt the fia:ech of leis :*.f.iier. y ,4; tie beginning of
confidently with the honour,. the' dignity, and the the Sett r, and tit,!. Addryl., and tyro the Amend-
interelli of the Cotintry• lint lance cow anxious withes ment to tic Add: els, which Were 411,v,.• lon iY.I! o•reit-
in that refpea hate been frtiflrated, and wa- haeue flan. Do they iinply any thing like the opinion which
celfarily :Arden,' I troll, Sir, I am prepared to meet lam affetred to have uttered? tan the coat: at y. did
crifis with the feelings of an Englithman, an], north., fentiments there expre%d create great anxiety
xi ; otis as I was to (heath the fword, I Iliad now be in the minds of fume Gentlemen? Is it to be luppofed
t4e
! and no left determined to unfheath it, until it ape that I fhould have expreffed a perfea conviaion that
pear that thehonour of the'Couotry renaainit untnbch. no ienewal of ho(l'iities Would take place, at a tune
ed, and that its fafety and independence are more ef- when I was agreeing to a large naval and _military
leaned), fecured. Let me now, Sir, be permitted to, ethealilliment? Why thould thofe who propofed inch
advert towhathasbeenrather hardily obfervedrefpea. precautions, be imagined to he wholly without any
ing the temper. which his Majedy's Miniders are laid apprehentian of war? This furely would argue 4
to have obf)rvel refpeling the condo& of the French Itrange and unaccountable inct.nfinency between
Government. Their defire of peace had no doubt in- their opinions and their meaftnes. The preparations
duced them to metaled no inconfiderable (hare of pa. then advifed and purified, are therefore the boa proof
Bence and forbearance; but they felt that die fituation . of What were. the renal fentiments of Mini deri--and
of France itfelf, and the circumdances in which was if that proof were not fufficient, an additional one
placed the perfan who held the chief rale is that might be found, Sr. in the obfeivations which I
. country, called for tome allowances. There circurn. made at the time it was propoled ,to renew the Re-
liance' might feem perhaps for a time to judify the .Itriftion on the Cafh Payment of the Bank, -viz. that
coodua or that ;wino. His-mind was foparopeoted tie Irate of tirtape was- the bell argument that
with tiantic. ;lt was lb dazzled with the additional cbuld be urged in favour of its adoption. Miniders
fplendor that was (bed upon his name, that it might ware alto accufed of not making formal communi-
nnt be fair to expea he would immediately fit down cations to Parliament of the matters that gave rife
quiet, and fatherly examine what might • bell belong 'to the dikuffions.- Such communications- might he
to his new fituatlon. Under that inioreffion it was a ended with the nand effati, and therefore it was
judged wife to obferve a certain degree of .forbear. p utfent to. withold -them until the time carne for
ance with relpeft to whoa Ibould otherarik he no - king them with fafety. As to the application forla
deed in the French Government at other times and. Spittetland, it is tame, Sir, that it took place before
tinder other circumflaotea. A de.lie to make thefe the meeting of Parliament, but it was then earneflly ,
allowances produced the forbearance which had w hied that no refiltance Monk! be road' on their Part.
marked else conduit of Mini(crs; a combat% Sir, to Nt.a.wa, there then any combination that mold goro '
which I feel-is non owing-the fpirlt and the enegy any etre& to a remondrance in their benalf: Whea
which the country feints Prepared' to 'difplay. That • thft combination afterwards took place, it was too
forbearance which tome Gentlemen are In prone to rave to Make any fttceefrful remonnranee. It is not
cenfure,
,Miniders, I think, Sir, have renfon. to boa., at•or my intention to eater into the difiuffion of all the
of. 'lt has prothiced no bad confeqoanwes, if Waite points that hero been referred to it his Majelby'v Del •
to gr to war; it has neither delayed too kng, nor claration; and width hare been confides's' as ide •
has it 6141110 u it nn one hour; ton (non. If it had caofesof war.—With regard taapolland, the Right
been bronghtonfooner, we Mould not be satiated by - ,Honcenrieman comptained that firong and vigorous
that fpirit and' courage which, under the guidance of temonarances had not been mach for the removal of •
Peovinence, will, I unit, enable us to glat throogh- ~the French troops from that C 111102174 The esintrary
.the cornea with . honottrand-fliccefs. I will again would appear .from the inierinnions given to Lord
repeat it. I am, free to confer", the aondua, of hie ,Whinaostli. • Hopes weregivcn- by Mr. Litton on the
Majelly'a "'Colliers basaryped throughout an uniform th November that the French traps would evacuate
fpitit of forttearatace, which might, appear, perhaps, acid; but on the t ath • that eipeaation -was dig-
to have been :carried-to as extreme; but. lam at .e rated.. The French Government expreffed a wills
the fame time warranted in aCrting, that in no in a ',seethe troop cletiined for Iwittitiana might continue
*wee hes irethibited a flnglepront-.4 pontanln end 'Noe time -hastier. in the •itatia via it territories; with
tinhecoMing coneeilion ; :mail, no Mitsui !milt been -which with the datavian Government famed difp'oted
Markedby any one aft of that deferiPtiOn• • Lit me to comply; for theythinted adores that we &mid for.
' text. Sir, briefly advert to the language which Ina' 'bear to intevprif,e in their behalf. Oil the fulajedt of the
laid fti hare helcf upon different neciffiaos...khave been Cape of Good Hope, much, Sir. had been said, and .
tlarged,lr; by the Right Unutterable Gentleman Cr morevalue has been attachedto that poreffnin than per.
Mink out expeftations of theenntinuane of peace, hap► it deferves. ' In my opinion it is of much kfs vat,
hich expeditions have flake been proved not to be lue than other poltedions which his Majcity'saMiniflers•
Odifietfliy cariumtlances of the moment. H a Maid were anxious to retain ;•.--and•in this epoionl have -
is Minilteri hive afro been charged with withhindtag, hum confirmed,by the concurrence of thofe who are
mm Parfiainent thole communications which Parlia- bett,epalified to decide upon that cuckoo. • Derides.
' had a right to expo% avj which'it wits their the
rttaining.of it would involve a large expence ;for
My to hava pick. As far, Sir. umy tecollitaion duriag. the time .we were in priffedion of it.•that ex.
'lllsear the back, ram reply tore-date the 'expel'. ?cote amounted to motels than t two million. Whatever
oils to which the Right Hon. Gentleman feemato al. au valise might beeßimated at by others, 'could-never
. Me,' My Noble'Friend (Lord Haolteetury) itlfo7ea- bring 'Welt' to imagine that we &bold forego for its
did hioifelf in the fame language. We (laced that fake the chancevfretatning More valuable'DogiThons,
hat reliance at any time on the continuance of The Right Hon. Gentleman, in (peaking of Malta.
ace, filch as at* from a view pf thefiotation (screed. to foppok that an engagement refpefling it
theenetiabandthe confcioufnefsofourown drength. had, been entered into with Raffia; no fuch engage.
leei nt
rancentigithare illfeorered the lame rails (pinto( meat had taken place, nor any thing apptoaching•to
anthition Met bat ever marked her charaaer. Yet, it. Previous to- dteconclufion of the preliminaries.
nii the ocenfitin to whit* the Right Hon. Gentleman a communication bad been trade to the Ruffian Go.
teems to refer. I.dlif fair, thnt_the puce might lift as vernment of the heads of the arrangement refpolleas
long ai-any.other; and I then alto ridded, ,that the only , Malta a and then no objeftion was made to the lir-
chnnce of as continuance atm& From the energy of •v . except to that 'part whifh related to a
our firength; and the impregnable fecurity of our re- Ida tete Lamm.. We afterwards, indeed, agreid to
fonrces; I WAS of the fame opinion when the prep- adopt the Ruffian mode of eleaing the Grand Mader,
miearied were elikuffed. The fame language have I and hopes were given by Lord St-Helen's that Ruffin
held iit the debates of lad SelDon. Pitt the Right, would on her part content to grant her guarantee,
Hon. Gentleman obferves, that the conduit of the ben theft hopes were afterwards diCappointed. But
i French Government lhould haveinfpited diffr.rent ape with refpea to ;my other engagement. I may 'again
prtrenfions. 't am tori; Sir, I SID not very much repeat it. that there was odne, Ind confecittentty there '
di of to Ritter and compliment the perf,mt who is was no breach of faith on our poi with refpea to
now at ibelteed of the Trench trovernment t lint 1141 Ruffle. The Right Eon. Gentleman is alto pleated
I mlnll fay,. that I could lie nothing in his conaluft to complain of the infults and indignities offered to '
which led me to believe that it Was his policy to retie* thin country by the French Government; and of their
logitilities. In this.Sir,l am willing to allow that 'may dihnord of.oor-remonitrances'againd them, which.
have been deceived; but his fending at the time the in his a.nd? is a• fufficient ground for war.' Who-
reinaining neat, of France to St. Domingo, his ex. J that thel hater properly reitionarated againd it oat
1, pofing felarge a 'portion both of his naval and mid.not, is amply (hewn by the papers now on the tablet
r tary force, were Timely pretty reafonable indications but that the difregard 'of loch remondrances is an'
I
of a pacific lyttem ; nor CAD it well be accounted for, adequate caufe of war, I cannot loins myfelf to
but tin a principle of peace. It has alto been afferted. agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman. Such dike
that in the ditcuifinn on his •Majefly's fpeech, het 1 gird may indeed afford jull ground of jealoufy, of
the 'tad of November, AD afforance was expredid : complaint nod remondrance. but not of war, as a
'by me, that there was no probability of a rupture.—'variety of examples might ithundutly prove ; at lead
What taken laid. Sir, 'was in anfwer to an Hon. 1 prudence and expediency would not advite it to be
Gentlensau, who obferved that he was concerned ! heltl in that light. With •regard.to the Commercial
to fee thin it was likely hollilities Would be renew- Commifanners, end the intention with whichit sp..
ed. All I affected on the ocealion was, that I faw peered that they werefent into thelltitiffiDominions,
no probability of an immediate rOptura at that'time. my Nnble Friend has remondrated in the mod (Pa'
Similar language is fad alto to haye been tiled by me tired 'terms. and he received a difirowat of the put.
when thequellion refpeaing the income of His:R.oyal pole far which they were fuppored to be intended....
Highnell the Prince of Wales 'was under difeuSon. But his Noble Friend did nut slop here; as loon its all
I am fuppofed then to have Armored that we nettle hopes had vaniffied of concluding a CommerchelTrea•
profound peace. That ['mentioned our being at pestri ty, Veneer:orient refuted to tecognife them. avd t/iep
I readily agree; Sir. but Ito not think that I Made °fel were Winifred to remove Irtom the Countty. Thu
of the word The circomftanen which led only one of them whit attentred to rernain„ wasted
me to makiltrtilie expreiGus was ailti a. affialimi to ! away from jerfey. by virtue-of an order front the Si,
the language that was ufed in Ina, when the fame : metary, of State's Office. and $n intimation Was fleet
febjee was under the confidential of Parliament.— ta Crectral Andreoffy, that uniefs they ad withdrew
It was then obferved that it was right to continue the , fires would be employed to compel diem Win k ,
reitriaioos on the expenditure cf his Royal Highnefs. 'I, now be contended that no ternontte ancea have 11.aa-
'on account of the extreme dadfutile" of the timer,.—' made. Arlie* the ItAohs an; hlivtiee °Geed eta;ll64l
But I obferved, on the oceafion alluded to, that the ; chnotry by the French Goverment:. or that dray
reftriaions thatmight be proper in time of war, might! have been all difregarded? I venewe indeed to hap%
as properly be done away in time of peace, and if f kliat &more eriercette mediae, Ibtre not been pee,
added the wordpviesseri, it was probably only from flied, the Hodge will make due allowance for thedif.
the ufsaleasinitiation of the twat words. No other ficulties in ihich Minillers were placed. Minikes .
capita= of the tutus a hinted at boa efeaped my lips, aasioudy trilled to prelate peace, but not with.