Star.
London, England, 1828-06-21 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Sir Grouse took the oaths and.his teat for Pertheitiraj
Mr. F. WEST presented a Petition Own Denbigh, in favour
of the,Srintil Note circulation.
Genoa! GASCOYNE presented a Petition from West India
Proprietor., praying that the war duties on Sugars might be
taken off.
Mr. A. IDAWSON presented a Petition from persons in the
.Colonty and City of Kilkenny, complaining of tie Trustees of a
Charity there. • •
After some objection to its being received. urged by Mr. MOORE,
Ste. en the ground that it severely attacked those who were not
present to defend themselves, by counter-statements or otherwise,
the Petition was brought up.and read at length. It complained
that purchasis of lands, &c. as directed by the founder, had not
been complied with; children were not educated; maidens were
not portioned ; in fact, general neglect was charged; and those
parties were in such abject poverty. that they could not prosecute
their claims against the trustees of JOsepti Evans's property. They
prayed the interference of the House, and the amendment of the
detective laws on the.subject.
Mr. A. DAWSON said, that a more proper Petition could not
have been presented ; the Petitioners did nut particularly attack
individuals. but required an amendment ci( ;belay:.
TheSP EA K E It observed, th3t such objects could only be effected
by a private Bill; and the period for presenting such Petitions.
during the present Session, had long since Varied.
The Petition was eventually withdrawn. •
Sir GEORGE HILL presented a Petition from the Chamber
of Commerce, Londonderry, against the Bill making the Nutes in
Ireland payable at the place whence issued by the Bankers.
Mr. RICE said, that the Petition proved that his Bill was
known in the remote parts of Ireland; and he urged the utility of
the Bill. •
Mr. MOORE contended that the Bill was only calculated to
throw embarrassment* in the way of the !Linking system of Ire-
land; that the currency In Ireland was in reality a paper currency ;
and that public inconvenience from such a state tit tbino had, tiot
been shown. He should oppose this Bill.
Mr. GRATTAN maintained thal the Bill was most essential
to the country ; that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ( Mr. Moore)
might be a good advocate for the Bank of Ireland in )Dublin; but
that he regretted the Bill did not go much further as regarded one
pound notes in particular. He was fur assimilating the currency
of the two countries.

Petition read, and ordered to be printed.
Sir A. CHICHESTER presented a Petition from Belfast for
the better regulation of the Coast Duties en Coals.
Mr. Moons and Mr. Gomm( urged this subject as seriously
requiring the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the
interference of Parliament.

Petition ordered to be printed.
Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition from Wexford, com-
plaining of the expense of the Police, and of various abuses exist-
ing in the Irish Police.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel SII3THORP gave notice that early in the next Ses-
sion he should move for leave to bring in two Bills—one to re-
peal the Act prohibiting Small Notes after April, 1829 ; and, a
second, for the more equal regulation of Postage throughout the
kingdom.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from West India Proprietors
residing in Aberdeen, praying that a Commission might be sent
out to inquire into the real state of Negro Slavery, &c.—Ordered
to lie on the table.

The Lords' Amendments to the Scotch Lunatics Asylums Re-
gulations 1310 were read and agreed to, on motion of the LORD
ADVOCATt.

The LORD ADVOCATE then presented the Report of the
Committee on the Scotch Gaols Bill, adding, that he did not in.
tend to press it forward this Session; the subject was one of great
importance, but be was desirous that it should have the amplest
consideration.

Mr. li. DRUMMOND admitted that the Bill had been much
amended in the Committee.
Report ordered to lie on the table, and the. Bill, as amended, or-
dered to be printed. • .
Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition-from the United: Artisans of
Nottingham, in favour of the circulation of One Pound• Notes.—
Ordered to be printed.
A bleisage from the Lords announced that their Lordships hail
agreed to the Amendments of abe Law of Evidence Bill.
The House at its rising, on the motion of the CHAPICIELLOIL of
the EICHIQL,II4 was ordered to adjourn till Monday next.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER inoVed the post-
ponement of the second reading of the Additional Churches Bill
until Monday.
Mr. J. WOOD objected at some length to the Bill, and said he
should move its postponement for a fortnight.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he
bad consented to postpone the Bill in compliance with the request
oftbe Hon. Member, and he therefore appOilect to the House,
whether it was fair that upon his motion for postponing it the Hon.
Member should go into the details of the Bill ?•
After a few wordi of er.planalion from Mr. Woo's, Mr. Huaa
and the CHANCILI;9II of the Ezcsizeurs, the order was postponed
to Monday.

SUPPLY.
Upon the modon of the CHANCELLOIS of the Excninanza, the
House. resolved itself into a Committee of Supply.
Sir H. HARDIN GE. moved a vote of £1 46.500 for the Charge
of the Pay of General Officers for the year 1868.—Agreed to.
For the Charge of Garrisons at Home and Abroad, £6,898
10s. 6d.

Colonel DAVIE sAid, that he did not mean to offer
any opposition to this or any other vote, as he saw that
the House were not disposed iolisten to any proposition
fur economy. When they were, he. danu:d again be
ready to offer his set vices to the country. ..
Sir H. H A RDINGE said, he was-glad thee bis Hon.
and Gallant Friend did not mean to offer further op-
po• Unit' vi the Estimates. • Being on his legs, he wished
t e appeal to his Gallant Friend upon the subjedt.cilthe
List di-Cussion of these Estimates. • He-bad received a
communication it mu a hired of his; formedy a Lieut.
Colonel in the 60th Regiment, expressing astonishment
at his having stated that the 60th was a condemned
Regiment. He made no such statement. He could
not have made it, becau•e, when his Gallant Friend said
that his argument was worth nbthiog, on account of
the 60th having been a condemned regiment, he got up
and denied that they were so.
Colonel DAVIES said, that he did not recollect any
such expressions having fallen from his GallaakyTiend.
But there und• übtedly was a general impression that
one battalion of the 60th was formerly a-condemn:l:l
corps. He had not said that the whole regiment were
so at any time, or that any part of the tegiment were
considered so now.
Mt.` HUME agreed with his Gallant Friend, that
little in the way of economy was to be expected •riom
the House, but he should continue lo appeal• to the
Right Honourable Gentleinan oppositens to chi ooces.o
sity of 'educing a gleAt part of the deastebesge in our.,
establishments. •He must say that ••in itle-ophaiori; if
they had not a better Ministry than Moose of Coxii-
mons, the country would be very poorly off
(A laugh). He now looked upon the. Ministry as. the'
defence of. the people against the House of Comment:
The Honourable Member then made various objections'
to the vote, and pointed out the impropriety of havjng
a military Governor at Berwick, where there was no
garrison. .
. .
Sir H. HARDINGE.seid, it was not pretended that;
any duty was attached to such offices- these;.' They
were kept up as a means.of bistoWing bOuoracyrevouds
for important services. •If the Houseqe9ilitsVtliaoe.
neral Officers.: after forty years of meritorious service,
should be left withoursoy,other provision than the two
or three hundred a year allowed bytheir pay. As sorne•
now were left, then thefe 'additional rewards should be
abolished. But in candour he was bound to say, that
no intention Was entertained of reducing them at present.
Colonel DAVIES said, that Officers who had pet-
formed valuable services should be rewarded in a Alfa.;
lerent manner.
.‘lr. HUME wished to know what were the metier:,
rious services of the Governor of Dartmouth Castle; i
civilian ?

Sir H. HA RDINGE said, that the Governorship of
Dartmouth Castle had been in the family.of the (ien-
tlimau who now holds the office of Governor, for a cen•
tury and a half. It was regarded as a kind of heredi-
tary right in• that family for out of it>s Members to fill
the office.

Mr. HUME said, the family of the Gentleman
held ihe office influenced the return of the Nienibt
for that borough, which was a very euscic ion, c
stance..

Sir J. WROTTESLEY objected strongly to the, s.
pointment to the office being considered as a vested
terest.
. Sir JAMES GRAHAM expressed the same
meats. If the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir H. liardioxe)
would positively assure him that the appointment va,
necessary for the public Service, he would not opp,„;
the vote ; but unless some such assurance was given,
should certainly move an amendment that the vote h.
reduced to the amount of the salary attached to od
office objected to.
Captain BASTARD stated, that the office of Goetz
nor of Dartthouth Castle • bad not been given to
member of the family of Mr. Houldswotth for upwards
of a century and a half without reason. He believed
that on inquiry the fact would be found to he, tho 0.4
family of Mr. Hooldsworth, together with the Corpora,
tion of the Borough, had detrayed the charge of build:
ink the fortress.

Lord JAMES TOWNSHEND said he could creak
from expeti-nce as to the utibty of Dartmouth easth,
and the efficiency with uh ch it was superintended,
ja
the year 1800 he commended ore of his Majesty.,
vessels, and being chased by two French privateers be
received protect on from ti e guns of the fottleA,_.
Without th.i protetthm hi. bhp and him,elt must have
bt.enlost. Oa grits on shore he found the fon:fie/tic!!
in go..rd order. The N ble Lord conffimeu the s;att,
ment of the Hon. Member for Devon.

Mrs 04 A BERLY was of pinion that inquiry ought to be auk
Sir H. H A ii. OINGE said he would make every inquiry,
Sir J. GE AH A %l said, he must persevere in tak its the seme4
the House, unless the vote was postponed until inquiry was nude,
The CHANCILLott Of the FICIII.:QUEK end Sir [fusser gloss ic.
minded the C4' minitter of the statements Which had been ircie.
After a few remarks from Captain 13ASTAKI., Mr. 111:4;
Mr. It. Gounota, the House divided, when there appearel,
For the original Motion • • • •70
For the Amendment . . . .
Majority against the Amendment . —32
The next votes were-112,;001. for the lull pay of ratir•n and
unamched Officers of the Army; 720,‘-'2of. tot 1,,1f. Metre.
Sir J. GRAHAM inquired whether Mr. lien: n. the het:link:
of the Army Accounts, did not, besides his salary in that situ-attar,
receive tfalf:paY. as Deputy Commissat y • Gesier.il ? and whethtthu
half pay was not issued upon a Treasury IVairant, he not bring
legally entitled to it for that rank ? If it were so, he thought it a
grave and unconstitutional offence on the part of the Treasuty,an4
an assumption of the dispensing powers of the lions, of Conuunta
Sir H. H A !WINO E said, that Mr. U,town did tective half.
pay as stated: He had entered the department lie was now hits
1784, and was SeCretary and Clerk under General Fitznatrici,by
whom he was recommended, with the sianc:ion f Lord Grenville,
for half pay. As he could not receive it hi the usual way, it wo
certainly issued by virtue of a Treasury Warrant, which the Trea-
sury had the power to grant under the Appropriation Act. It was
not at all likely that a similar thing would again occur.
Mr. HUMF. wished to know whether the practice which had
been productive Of a loss of a million and a halt to the country,
that of allowing the sale of half pay commissions, was put an end to?
Sir H. H A KDINGE said that it was. No more such Wei
would be allowed; but the HOB. Member had greatly esaggereed
the loss to the public upon thefts. Only B.io were allowed in l 82.;
to exchange, and upou the whole it was likely to be beneficial, as
the widows and families of the Officers who came in upon that
arrangement would not be allowed pensions. There was on this
account, and others, every prospect of a reduction rather than at
addition iii this charge.
After a few words from- Mr. Hume, the vote wat agreed to.
X 101,470 for half pay and reduced allowances to foreign Men,
Mr. HUME wished to know if the widows and ramifies of
foreign Officers would receive pensions
Sir H. HA EWING E believed they had been put upon theme
'footing as British Officers in that respect. He, perhaps. might not
think it right to make such an arrangement should a similar occa•
*sion arise at any future time.

Mr. HUMEtht,nght it full time we should discontinue making
provisions forthe widows of foreign Officers. It was an induce.
melt' to them to marry for the sake of melting a provision fur some
female.

Sir J. WROTTESLEY wished to know bow it was aseertaised
that the Officers on the list of foreign half pay were alive ?
Sir H. HA RD INGE said, they were obliged to present them-
selves before Civil Authorities abroad, front whom they el:naked
certificates.

The vote was then agreed to.
£43,113 for military allowances to reduced and retired officers io
his Majesty's land forces.
After a desultory conversation the vote was agreed to.
The next vote was 46,1151. for the expenses of the li,-Pensioners
of Chelsea and Kilmainham Hospitals.
Mr. HUME complained of the great charge for Chelsea awl
Kilmainham Hospitals. The Secretary at Chelsea held double
offices, one.at 5001 and another at 6COL This he thought ought to
be looked into. The late Secretary at War had certainly given then
to understand that Kilmainham should be put ..0 end to. lie ad-
mitted that the salaries of the clerks at Chelsea were moderate--
they were a pattern to others.
Lord PALMERSTON observed, that considering how largely
Ireland bad contributed to supply our armies, we ought not too
hastily to deprive the aged soldiers of the comfort of an csiablish-
merit like Kilmainham.
Sir A. HOPE said; that these establishments were most valu-
able and humane aids to the poor soldiers in old age. It ou;lst nut
to be supposed that they constantly niaintaiued the same bet of pen-
sioners; on the contrary they were constantly changing—aiways
giving shelter to the old and Woken down in circumstaucco, who
required a temporary asylum to recover themselves.
Mr. MA BER LY thought that no person connected with these
establishments ought to hold two offices at once.
The yore was then agreed to. .
£335,976 for the Out Pensioners of Chelsea Hospital.
Mr. HUME said that last year 5,780 Pensioners bad been added
to the list, and only 3,461 died in the course of the year. Titus they
were going on increasing, and with 65,6 4 Pensioners alteady, it
was time they should stop. All was not right in that quarter he
was sure.

Sir A. HOPE maintained, that not one man was put upon the
list of Chelsea Petitioners who was not entitled to it.
After some observations from Lord PALMCNSTON, Mr. Hosts,
and Sir Hussite- VIVIAN, the vote was agreed to.
On the question that 5C27,659 Vs. 7d. be granted for the support '
of the Royal Military Asylum, for the year 1828,
Mr. HUME said, that the practice there reminded him of the
manner in which buys played at soldiers. He thought that with
'an overgrowing population we ought not to support such an esta-
blishment. While we had a war, and that men fell in the held, it
might have perhaps been right to be liberal; but when that danger
ceased, he saw no neces-ity liar the maintenance of so large an esti-
bliahment. Including the cost of the girls' school at Southampton.
it had already been an expense to the country of 7.1.7,000. and it
'really was nothing more than a farce to see the boys parading ..bout
With drums and fifes; and all that manner of paraphernalia.
dir H. HARPING R did nut think the Hon. Member would
wiSli to have the sentiment recorded of him, that it was only when
danger 'pressed such an establishment was to be kept up, and
Oghcers receive the rewards which were due. If, however, in nine
of peace there were no provision of the kind made, how were we is
get men to go to the West Indies, where one-filth perished every
year? It should be recollected that we had 74 battalions in the
Coloniei,tini that the children of soldiers born there could not be
turned over to the parishes, for no parish would receive them, where-
inTirlittaited" , kn
therePuf were 9 tanttohoao overl,oo
anAsyu rpns, ndluom.haOf thea 1,300 children
'Ountber-there • Were not certainly more than 300 wohin the
bad whole
bulb
parent's alive: " .
Sir A. HOPE also supported 'the propriety of keeping up the
establishment, and said that in one ship from India upwards Of
forty.persons came over who were fit objects for it.
lilt. II UM /5 said, that he had been applied to from the neigh-
' bourhood of one of the boroughs he had the honour to represents
on beh-if of a widow who had three children, fora recent:Auntie-
don ; but finding that their friends in Scotland were able to main-
win them, he old not conceive they were fit objects for toe esra-
plaillltent, and ,refused accordingly. The people in Scotland, how-
ever, finding that there was such a place of relief, did get a recom-
mendation, and two out of the three were now in the Asylum.—
' tie would rather that no mote should be admitted, and that those
n should be apprenticed to trades.
The m..tiun was then put and agreed to.
The Cuitamart put the resolution, that a sum not exceeding.
143,1831. be granted for the payment of Pensions to Ofriceni
Widow:.
hir. HUME said, that there was a subject be wished to abuse
tot that or. the Chaplain General to the Forces, who had a -.day
.taw cif 8041. a year, although formerly it was but 3001. 'nut
sot ry which ought to be reduced, especially when its holder, hi-

stead of having ever 'been with the_ army, was the Rector, of oy..
of (he wealthiest parishes of London (St. Geotiees), and Dean or
Carlisle. This he ,7o+ eeivetl to he a monstrous plurality. • •
Lord PA I.M Er.s.rox begged to say that the situation was nn
sinecure, as the Chaplain General was responsible for the appbinr-
Talent of all the Army Chaplains, who were neither appointed by the
Commander-in-Ctief nor Secretary at War, but on the reecommets-
datinn of the Chaplain General to the Archbishops of Canterbury
or York. The Artily Chaplains were now few In number, the
dirty being done by the Parochial Clergy in this country and the
Colonies, in consequence of which the Chaplain General was obliged
to keep up an extensive correspondence, in order to ascertain the
proper discharge of those duties; and lie could assure the House,
that whatever were the professional avocations of the Chaplain
General, they did not interfere with his military duties.
Mr. II U could not conceive it possible fur any man to dis-
charge his duty towards a populous parish, as well as those multi-
farious avocations attributed to the Chaplain General by the Noble
Lord. . He would, however, ask Hon. Gentlemen who complained
of thi small pittance of X 2.00 or E3OO a year given to a Field Officer
after perhaps years of bard service, how they could support this
? There were also other expenses, such as an agent, olfice rent,
•&e. connected with it, that would amount to the value of a good
Jiiihopric. The lion. Gentleman then adverted to the distribution
'or lliblea to the army, whick were sold by them, as they were too
.bewy to carry.; and was sure, that if the accounts disposed of for
'this purpose were looked into, it would he seen that they were large
'enough to give every man two or three Bibles.
Aiter a few words from I 6-d PALMERSTON, the vote was agreed
In.—The sum of 195,5001. was then voted for the Compassionate
List, Royal Bounty, and Pensions to Officers for wounds.
Oil the question that 55,1801. 19s. lid. be granted for allowances
byway of compensation, superannuations, and retired allowances
to persons formerly belonging to the service,
Mr. HUME said that he saw a charge amongst them lor a peri-
sion to Mr. Lushington, the Governor of Madras, whose name he
bad not been before aware was on the list, and he wished to know
whether that Gentleman was to have his 10,0001. as Governor of
Madras, and also this pension? He (Mr. Hume) was aware that
there was another Gentleman who had been also a clerk in a public
efLee, and who for several years received a pension of 4571. a year,
although he now received 5,0001. or 6,0001. a year as a Governor of
a Colony.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said tbat he
was not aware at that moment of the exact circumstances of the
case ; but that he would inquire into them, in order that be might
be able to answer the Honourable Gentleman's question, the vote
was' agreed to. _ _ _

On the vote that £33,000 be granted for Exchequer Fees on the
suing for the army service,

Mr. BERN AL observed, that there was some complexity in
this mode of managing business, although perhaps there was ulti-
timely no loss to the public.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that there
were private interests concerned, which rendered dealing with the
subject dificult, but admitted that the present mode was both 2110.
malous and inconvenient. He, however, said that the subject should
have his best consideration. _ _

Mr. HERR LES observed, that the whole subject was under the
consttieratton of the Committee above stairs, and that there was
hope of a satisfactory alteration.
r. HUME. said, that in taking leave of the Army Estimates, he
would express a hope that the House would never again see them
so large, tor, notwithstanding all that had been said, there was no
reduction.

Sir H. HAR DING E said, the Honourable Member was mis-
taken, for there was a bona fide reduction of 140,0001. although, as
be had already explained, it did not appear so much on account of
the trawler of items from the army extraordinaries.
After a short conversation the vote was agreed to.
Sir H. HA It HINGE said, the next vote he should propose was
a sum of 283,1931. for the Disembodied Militia. A reduction of
5,0u01. had taken place in this vote, and he trusted there would
be a still further reduction next year.
Mr. S. RICE would convince the House that no material ser-
vice could accrue to the country from the keeping embodied the
Militia. There was then not only a saving in disembodying that
farce—which cost the country for the last twelve years two and a
half millions—but actually, if the -Militia were called out, it would
be foiuid that raw recruits would be equally efficient. The balloting
and enrolment cost the country 24,0001. per annum, and in the
metropolis was a system of perjury and fraud. The training also
nominally cost the country dearly, though no benefit could be de-
rived from it, as there were but three trainings since 1819. The
Honourable 'Member contended at some length, that a great re-
duction could be made in the present vote, from the non-necessity
of the system to maintain which it was granted by the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reminded his
Hon. Friend that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had con-
ducted a Bill through that Office, by which a considerable saving
was effected in the Militia expenses in Ireland ; and therefore
thought that be did not require the stimulus of his Hon. Friend's
eloquence to the effecting every possible reduCtion in the existing
estatilishments of the country. He agreed that the Militia system
might admit of amendment, since the 28 days training system had
been relinquished ; but he could not thence conclude, that because
training was not found necessary, that balloting ought also to be
abandoned; for it was necessary, at the breaking out of a war, to
know when the Militia supply could be at once mustered. The
subject was under the consideration of Ministers.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY was sure, at an equal expense with the
training system, a much more efficient militia force could be main-
: tamed.

Colonel WOOD apprehended that thdugh these were peace
times,* would not be politic to break up the existing militia force.
Mr. 8.• RICE said, he never argued io favour of abolishing the
Militia; because be thought such a force was necessary to show
foreign countries the strength of our own.
Mr. WARBURTON said, as during the last eleven years the
Militia and the Volunteers had cost 5,410.0001. be would ask
whether the proptiety of keeping up such a (wee was consistent?
hlr. Alderman WOOD said the militia of the City of London
were as efficient as any other men, yet one of the two regimenu
was reduced, and be was very glad of the circumstance. He
thought a militia staff was unnecessary.
Sir H. HA RDINGE thought it was necessary to keep up the
staff of the mifitia; but be could assure the House that it was the
intention of Government to make every possible reduction in the
expense of keeping up such a force.
Mr. Iff/ME said, that as we hid Ambassadors and Consuls in
all countries abroad, at an expense of £450,000 per annum, we
ought surely to receive from them any indication of the prospect of
a war. They were our spies, and if they were effective in their
duties, there was no occasion to keep up a force which the Hon.
'Member (Mr. Warburton) had stated during eleven years had cost
the country above five millions of money.
The grant was then agreed to.
The next was 7,5001. for the Hibernian Society for the Mainte-
nance,.Clothing, and Education of Soldiers' Children.
Mr. HUME observed, that one day they were granting sums
like thg present, which acted as encouragements to population, and
another they were voting money to promote the objects of emigre.
L", with a view to get rid of their surplus population.
The vote was, however, agreed to.
1,8001. for the Hibernian Marine was also agreed to.
Oo the question that a sum of 1,5001. be granted for the use of
the Royal Cork Institution,
Mr. HUME objected to the vote.
Mr. R. GORDON wished to understand upon what principle
the encouragement of the Literary Institution in Ireland was to be
placed en a different looting from that on which it stood in Eng-
land and Scotland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—That society
bad been established in the year 1802; it bad subsist' -• upon vo-
luntary subscriptions till the year 1807. liy the Govcanment of
coat day it was deemed a society worthy of public support. He
W. 5 aware it had been said that the grant was only at the time
understood to be temporary; but be had caused a minute search
14 be made. and could find nu trace in the correspondence of any
such condition having been annexed to the grant. He bad to add,
however, that when ht was in Ireland he had done all that he
twiceived practicable to effect reduction, and accordingly the
Pant had been reduced in his time from ,82,500 a year to £1,500.
Mr. R. GORDON declared that the explanation of the Right
Honourable Gentleman, so far from removing the doubts he enter-
laitted with respect to this vote, only tended to confirm them. The
cas- stood thus front 1802 to 1807 the society had maintained
Pseif ; and after what might be considered the most difficult and
Lncertant portion of its existence, the Government came forward
with pi:cuniary assistance.
Mr. J. mot hoped, that the whole • estion would be em-
braced in the iiiymies of the Finance Lonimitiee. his Right
!ionourahle Frind, the Alembet for Waterford, who was the
awn Chancellor of the Exchequer when this grant originated,
•,-iired, the pm ties interested that the grant was only intended to
ne of n trinvrary na• tire.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would cettainly
Fin subjection that the question Should come under the coo.
'tdrtatuin of the finance Committee. The responsibility in
tainting the grant rested but with him, but with the Right
al-other for Waterford.
Atter afew word. from Mr. D. W. Ha IIVIY and the Caraiscste
Loa of the 4:unmet*,
Lord Mists Ish t ti moved as an amendment, that instead of
W. the sum ct 1,0001. to granted.
Mr. NO ItTi I uthrived, that Ireland was so poor a country as.
rrimirr of that nature, and observed that Pa-
,9.vi,t n.., 14.0 •11.1tirIlly to wandraw the Wawa of she
bavf • CUllivtled veula that Institution.

Mr. BBRNAL supported .the amendment, as did Lord Pow-
Lirr. • .
The House thenslifridell, When there appeared— •
For the Amendment . . . . • 26
Against it . 66

Majority . .

On our return to the Gallery' we found the CnstastaN putting
the que,tion that he report progress and ask leave to sit again,
which having been agreed to, the House resumed, and the Chair
man having reported progress, the Report was ordered to be re-
ceived, and the Committee to sit again on Monday.