Star.
London, England, 1829-06-13 00:00:00

JASSY, M* 22.

Two Chasseurs have passed through this city on their
way to Wiwsaw. They bring the news that Silistria is
entirely invested, and that the besieging troops have
succeeded in making themselves masters of some out-
wroth, after an obstinate resistance nt .the enemy. The
disadvantages experienced by the Russians at Tcher.
nowody. on the right bank of the Danube. have been
strangely exaggerated. On the passage of the river at
Hirchova, by General Diebitsch, three regiments which
first crossed it,. and were Waiting for the rest of the
army, having been surprised by the Turks, indeed suf-
fered. very much. .
The progress of the Oriental.plague at Bucharest is
unhappily confirmed ; from twenty to thirty persons die
daily of the epidemiciwhich,. on the 16th May, proved
fatal even to the physician who was sent by the Board
of Health. The frontier-townOf Fockschany has loss
twolhirds of its inhabitants: some have perished, and.
some have fled. The town is surrounded with trobps,
and nb person is allowed to enter.

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PARIS, Juwi 10.
A letter from Vienna announces that the Duke of,
Welliopton is expected ip the .Austrian capital. It is
affirmed that from Vienna his Grace will go to &ilia;
to confer with the members of the Prussian Cabinet.

The German politicians are at present blisy in eon•
jecturing the causes which have hindered the King of
Prussia from having the intended interview with the
'Emperor Nicholas.
The
letters from Berlin of the 4th 'of June say. that
the interview of the two Sovereigns et Sybillenort
having. been prevented by the illness of the King of
Prussia, another place would be appointed for their
meeting.. . _ _

FROM THI MOWITZLIA6 HAT 10.
PARIS, Jumw 9.
Letters from Cadiz say that a great number of fo.
reign 'merchants have come to settle there, in conse.
quence of its having been made a free port.
On the 30th of May all-the custom-house officers were
removed fronsVadia to the line which has been fixed
for the limits of the free port. The Spanish Govern-
ment going to: establish a cordon sanitaire before
Gibraltiii. The authorities of that place, on their side,;
hetet dopted the mom rigorous sanatory measures.
now Yaw, Paassolthrz Io.—Plve per Gots. It/9E108E55c.
PQifL Mime re Craw ex dip.tToE se.‘7BE mane. 1.55..41010k
.11tieN; i,sist. 164 Naples Stock, 83E 4k. Royal Bpaoki•Loan,
774 Haydn Loam, 4501. Exams@ ae London, ems mew* Sit.
450. Three mantis, 551. 30c.--Caurs sfutkottiver.

A person from the West India Dock Company Office perspired
an Account of the Revenue and Lependiture of the Company.
QUIVITIOII or raavattcs.
Mr. MACLEOD said that be had been sunimoned .to serve as
ristrrisa, ♦n the Cmirt of Common Pleas. and declined attending to
the summons, on the presusnption that, as a Member of Parham-or,
he was exempted from service on Juries. lie had since under-
stood, howeverythat he was liable to be lined, which induced hint
to bring the subject before the Maw. Last Session a iiroilar goes-
da' bad been referred to, and considered by a Commatee of Pri-
who in their ltepon socked etase which bad occurred as
far back as the 15th May. 1629, but which was strictly Hi point.
In that case the Speaker was driven to addiess a letter to the Chief
Justice, claiming the privilege of the House for a Member who
was fined for non.attrndance as a Juror, and in conformity. with
that precedent, he (Mr. Mackin') meant to move that the Speaker
should addresk.ruotter to the Chief Justice of the Common l'icas,
*informing him' Mr. Macleod' was a Member of the
and not liable to he amerced for nonattendance a. a juryman.
The SPEAKER.conctived that
,pa the qt.estion had been al-
resOy.liet at rest by frequent decisions, it would be lowering the
dignity of the House to entertain any motion on the •abject. It
was settled beyouctill qiestion, that as lung as the House was sit-
ting no Member could be compelled to serve as a J ur) man ; and,
although the summons bad conk to the Honourah.e Gentleman
during the adjournment of the House. yet every Honourable Alent-
bar knew that the days of adjournment were as much the sitting of
Parliament as the actual meeting days. As nu fine bad been un-
posed on the Honourable Gentleman, be suggested that the Ilinise
was not called upon to act.
Mr. MACLEOD said his only object was to bring the subject
before the House. In order that the privileges of Member.. might
be distinctly underitood. As that object was effected by 'what
bad passed, with the leave of the House he would withdraw his
motion.

NtAlll.

Mr. R. GORDON presented a Petition from I C.py-
holders hying at Hampstead, complaining that an
.Estate Bill uow
in progross through Parliament, was, In fact, empowering the Lord
of the Manor of Hampstead to'enelose the heath. ' '
Sir C. BURRELL saw no reason why the Lord of the Manor
of Hampstead should not endeavour to improve his property. as
well as the Lord of any other Manor. notwithstanding the fact that
Hampstead was *bolted se near the Metropolis.
Mr, R. GORDON said the Petitioners-complained that, Under
the form of an &tate Bill, a measure was• being smuggled theocrats
' the House empowering the Lord of the Manor to enclose the heath
wkluiec the consent of she petitioners ass without the usual notice.
The Hon. Member gave police thaCd
hi'would oppose the report
of the Bill whetrlt was btought op. ' "
The Petitioo was then altdererl to be la jd on the table.
Mr. Secretary PRELeermed that the Houle, at its rising. timid!.
aditions•to next Pridiyi *AM was agreo to withoutubscrvatiora.
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___.f ehortataxv •IWitictiirtOs.
Sir R. INGL-FiffiwesetwidArPetittoot from 'the parishes of Want:.
field St.-Mary and Wanebblerill Saints, Lincoln, praying that
' Protestant soldiers might besosieue med .and.placed.un the same
Weil as Popishoioldiets. by oti log gmropeEed to attend the 'limper.
stitiotts worship of Roman. flionin foreign countries: 'nit
Ilea. llarooet referred to th lash of two Officers who had been
'dismissed the service fbr 'Moil's to order the British troops to 'Arc
•a intone on the eve of some Saints' Day at Malta.
Sir H.•IIA It DINGS denied that the,itubject had any thing to
do with religion. It had been usual, and was necessary. th?t re.!
meet should be paid by British soklien td the religion of Theoe.
foreign countries in which they were quartered, but it did not fol-
low that' they should participate. In any degree, in the forms us'
ceremonies of the religion of the inhabitants of those coontnes. .1
Mr. TRANT differed altogether from the statement of tip: Gal.
bit Officer. The British troops quartered in India were never
asked to assist In the idolatrous worship of the natives, sod be did!
not see why they shooki be compelled to join in the superstitions •
of the Boorish Cherch,which Englishmen considered equally idols--
trona. He concurred in the prayer of the petitioners, believing
that the time bad come when Protestant kinancipation was also.
lowly necessary. .
Sir H. HARDING/I usured the Honourable Member that his
statement was inaccurate. Protestant soldiers were nut compelled
to take air part in Roman Catholic religious ceremonies. Turn,. •
lag out the guard lad presinting arms certainly was not, in his
to
aphids°, talking
ita part lo a religions cerentony. though if, as bad te
bow '
m'.
kaie
erroneously suit . British soldiers had been compelled
torches in a ' Catholic ceremony, that would have hosa
obliging lam fliV to what, as Protestaats, they might coma* ,
a s borteow
, • Trr=aT IN .TS said there was a regular order from chi
Csmanialiffing Officer at Malta that the troops should turn out on
thieve of St..l4eceses day, and it was well booms that Lieut.
•=0 sgas alibied tie service because he relined to identify
edds tads ebeervaNce of a Saint's day, which. as a Prows.
mashie suolidired siostatiders. Ile understood a memorial had
MN Pordcouly presented on the subject, but it was not atteuded

4.

to; sad sßlidsk (Mom became he Mt sod acted like a Prose-

taitoras dismissed the se;viee of his country.
Mr. TILANT thought it would be satisfactory to the Howe to
have else documents with the transactions at Makp oe
the table, and he should efore move for their produeden on
the2stzt sitting.
The petition was read, mid, oti the motion for tainting a,
Sir Its INGLIS inquired whether any Officer who
refused to comply with an order for taking part in a re-
ligious ceremony was not liable to be dismissed the
Service? If this was the case, he contended that there
was absolute compulsion in the case.
Sir H. HARDINGE bad no hesitation in stating
that, if he had issued any orders as Commanding
Officer which were not complied with, he would bring
the Officer who neglected to obey the order to a Court
Martial and have him cashiered. He wished to know
whether the same course ought not to be adopted it a
Catholic Officer refused to take part in any religious
ceremony in this country oe the sth November ?
Sir M. W. RIDLEY considered that Officers had
nothing to do but to obey their orders. It was not to be
• said that Military Officers should refuse to obey their
orders upon religious scruples, or else there would be
an'end to all military discipline.
The Petition was thee ordered to be printed.
DISTR&U IN THR SIANWPACTURINO DISTRICTS.
Mr. SADLER rose to present a Petition hom the
Hundred of Blackburn, in the county of Lancaster,
founded on the distressed state of the country, and
signed by about 12,000 names. t He conceived that the
itiuse must concur with him when he stated, that.
whether in reference to the number, and he might add
the respectability, of the signatures—the importance of
the subject of the petition—the distrait() condition of
that large and populous district—or the terms of re-
spectful confidence with which the petitioners ap-
proached the House, that no similar document was ever
• more entitled to, sot anxious and immediate considers,
• tion. He felt highly honoured by the confidence the
petitioners had reposed in him ; at the same time be
sincerely regretted they had .not committed their cause
to abler bands, to those who would have been better"
able to advocate their claims, or at least added weight
to their representations. He had thought it a proper
course to consult with the two Members of that great
and populous county on this occasion. One of them,
who. he believed, was now present, folly confirmed
the deplorable situation of the mass of the petitioner.,
and commiserated their condition. From the other
Noble individual, who was for the present withdrawn
from his public duties by a family bereavement, he had
had the honour of a communication. fully carrobora-
hire of the great and prevailing distress in that irnpoi-
• bent disteict.and expressed in terms which did equal
honour to his understanding and his heart, and which he
• regretted that he did not feel authorised to read to the
House without the Noble Load's permission. Thus
-circumstanced, he hoped the House would yield him
their attention while he presented this petition; at all
events he was sure they would listen to the petition-
ers. They represented their condition as that of great
and, they seemed to fear, without a different policy was
• pursued, pe; manent distress. This state of things did
.not test upon the authority of individual information,
. .or private correspondence, too often appealed to in that
House; it was verified by many of the Magistrates,
Clergy, and Gentry of that district, who had given their
signatures to that important document. The petitioners
eat nestly besought 'heir Representatives to coosider the
present alarming condition of the country. And it ap-
peared to him (Mr. Sadie') not only the imperative
duty, but that it ought to be the anxious wish, of Par-
liament to do so, and that without delay. It would be
a waste of tine, he said, and an insult to the intelli.
gence of the House, as well as an outrage upon the
feelings of the petitioners, to attempt to deny, *bat any"
individual in the country conversant with the present
st de of things must know to be tit case. that the cows-
try wai !Arming under great and general distress.—
E‘ers branch • f national industry seethed paralyzed,
pot merely the console, cial, hut, as the petitioners as-
serted, all other interests were affected. Agriculture
wa. evidently languishing. Thousand of persona had
already lost :heir capital, and were daily sinking into
poverty. Tens of thousands, he might say hundreds of
thousands, of labourers, were completely pauperised,
and sunk into the lowest depths of misery and degra-
dation. As to the operative manufacturers. the peti-
tioners themselves, he hoped, would be permitted to
desctibri their own condition in one of the most exten-
sive and important" branches of national industry....
4" The interest of all parties in the cotton trade they a-
lerted to be in so languishing a state tbat ruin appeared
inevitable to many of them. Every article connected
with that trade, the raw material, and the labour be-
stowed upon it, has experienced, they stated, so alarm-
ing a depression in value, that the entire cost of manu-
factured goods was in many instances considered less
• than the price formerly paid for the labour Sstowed
upcm them. This depreciation, they went on to state,
bad been carried to such an extent, that the generality
of weavers in the calico trade could not possibly earn
sufficient for their maintenance. They assetted that
theta ate at present in thesbundted of Blackburn thou-
sleds of families whose united labour does net, ea a
weekly averageoproduce more than one shilling and
and titter pence per bead. As to their employers, said
the Honourable Member, it is to be feared that in gauzy
cons• theis pursues, though conducted with persevers
tog industry and competne capital, Were imideqpitet
remunerated. Poverty, mine. and roes,. were spend-
ing with alarming rapidity. The very foundations' of
national prosperity seemed *alien.. Wes it' net, he
asked. their duty to inquire into this wank, and di*,
treeing state of things ? It sippigered to him that stash
an investigation might have ben gonenti bad time
and opportunity been afforded, with every hope of
arriving at safe a conclusions. We pos-
sessed, said the Hon ble Member, a series of raga-
live liar, as they rni be termed, of the utmost im.
pretence to the dasoiminetios of the question.—
The present deplotable star of things, be contended.
was not attributable to any failure in the bounties of
nature; it was weir chargeable upon the people. The
country itself wee unchanged, its natural resources re-
mained unit:boasted, and indeed inexhaustible. Its,
inhabitants wire still industrious, active, intelligent,
enterprising beyond all rivalry, with whomsoever coin-
pared. Its foreign possessions continued entire, and all
but unbounded; they spread like a sone round the
globe, and poured its upon them the productions of every
Climate, and opened an intercourse with every nation
upon earth. They bad been long in the enjoyment of
a. profound and.uninterrupted -peace. Is a word, they
atheentrated and enjoyed every thing which promised
a perpetuity et prosperity and happiness. Why, then;
was it that, with the exception of the -fundhoWer, the
mere monied capitalist, the jobber. the foreign brokers,
. and the pensioners, all ranks of the community were
apidly decliaing, and especially the industrious classes?
%hat was it, be would ask, that doomed this great and
doses ving people to the cti.tren they ace now suffering
—a state which bad of late returned upon . them at
abostening niter velsrind which had, at every repeated
vialtatiols, inflicted detpet wounds upon the &nevem a

and happiness of the community ? It 'wig his (Mr. s.'s),
opinion, and one not taken up without some examina-
tion, not recently adopted, that this state of things was
resolvable into an erroneous and pernicious policy ; and
while he agreed with the petitioners that the causes of
the national difficulties and ' dist:eases were numerous
and complicated, he folly concurred with them alio in
believing that their alleviation or imolai lay within
the reach of Legislative noniron!. He was aware that
lie could not enter on the important subjects to which
the Petition alluded. Had his Hon. Friend the Member
for Cornwall had an opportunity of moving for a Com-
mittee of Inquiry, ailse proposed, he should then have
gone at length into the subject of the distresses of the
country, the causes of those distresses, and their remedy,
having, in reference to the Petition he had presented, pre-
pared himself so to do. His intention baiting been
frustrated, and the termination of the Session so much
anticipated, the opportunity was gone. On a future oc-
casion he hoped to resume the important subject, with
a view to the relief of the lower and laborious classes of
the community. In the mean time he* could not but
express his deep regret that Parliament should separate
without seriously attending to the present condition of
the country. which would alone have been an abund-
antly sufficient reason for its re-aisembling had it potl
been actually sitting. All that remained for him to do.
since,the prayer of the petition for deliberate inquiry'
could not be acceded to, was to implore most earnestly
that his Majesty's Government Would themselves take
the condition of the petitioners ipto their most anxious
consideration, and allow no schemes it 'policy to inter-
fere with that relief which their condition so iierempto•
rily required. ,
Colonel SIBTHORPE, in supporting the prayer of
the petition, could not but state his concurrence in the
regret which the Hon. Member for Newark bad ii•
pressed at the proposed adjoarnment.of the House, at
a: period when such great and 'general distress pre-
vailed throughout the whole of the Country: He thought
'that no adjournment should take place until those dis-
tresses and their causes had been filly and intimately
inquired into, in order that no time might be lost in
adopting such measures as might afford relief. In his
opinion the Government would be highly culpable if
they pressed an adjournment at such a time, since it was
absolutely incumbent on them to take into their consi-
deration the distresses which prevailed throughout the
whole empire. He could not help expressing his sorrow
that those distresses, when they were mentioned in that
House, excited nothing more than a smile in the coun-
tenance of those who, from their official situations,
ought to be most seriously impressed with them. He
thought, therefore, that the smile which had just per-
vaded the Treasury Bench was improper, anti be could
not help expressing his disapprobation of it.
The petition was then read.
Mr. BARING could not help thinking that the House
had been unfairly dealt with, by the Hon. Gentlemen
who bad presented and supported this Petition. So far
as he was capable of judging, there had never been any
disposition on the part of Government during the pre-
-sent Session to drive off any disci lion which might be
brought forward respecting the distresses of the people.
It was invidious to say that the distresses of the country
were not considered. The Hon. Member for Newark
had stated his opinion that those distresses were capable
of paaliamentary relief. If that were his opinion, why
did be not point out in what manner he thought that
relief could be afforded? For his own part, it he (Mr.
Baring) bad any conception of any measure which he
thought would be beneficial to the distressed classes of
the community, be should have considered it his
bounden duty not to have delayed a single day in sub-
mitting it to the House. But when Hon. Gentlemen,
%ilia had had the whole of the Session before them to
propose any measure that they thought proper, came
down at the eleventh hour, at the moment that the
House was about to prorogue, and stated that they knew
of remedies fur the distresses which had so long pre.
wailed. but which remedies they had hitherto kept to
themselves, he thought that Honourable Gentlemen who
acted on si.ch a way were not treating, the House or the
country as they 'ought to do. If the Hon. Member who
had presented this Petition knew of any remedy which
would afford relief to the petitioners, be thought that
he ought to have stated it; but, since be bad not done
so—since be had brought forward no measure to afford
relief, although he possessed the knowledge which would
have enabled him to do so, the fault was his, and not
that of his Majesty's Ministers.
Mr. HUME was sorry to differ from the Honourable
Gentleman who bad just sat down ; but he must state
that he entirely agreed with the Hon. Member who had
presented the petition. He thought the petitioners and
the country at large had a right to complain of Mi-
nisters and of this House for refusing to take into con-
sideration the different meatuses which had been sub-
mitted to them, and which had been brought forward
by different individuals, with the view of affording re-
het to those classes of the community whose distresses
were so well known.. He had himself presented many
petitions and submitted several propositions to theHou.e
for the purpose of calling its attention to this subject ;
but all his eadeavours to °boi4 relief for the distressed
had proved unavailing. He deprecated the intention
of Ministers to adjourn the House at such a period as
the pretent,when nothing but distress and ruin appeared
in every part of the country. It was the duty of Mi-
nistess to take the distressed state of the country into
consideration, and to take some course which would at.
ford relief before an adjournment of the House took
place. He contended that it was incumbent upon Mi-
nisters to bring forward some measure for the relief of
the country, and that it was not. as the Hon. Member"
for Callington had slated, the duty of any individual
Member to do so. It was sufficient for individual
Members to point but the distress, but it was the duty of
Government to find a remedy..
Mr. BARING explained—All that he bad said was,
that when Hon. Gentlemen stated that they knew of re-
medies, they ought also to state what those remedies
Wl*.

Mr. SADLER said, he should only make a remark
or two upon what had fallen from the Hon. Member
for Callington (Mr. Raring), who had either nsisundw
stood or mi•represenied him. He could assure that,
Hoonurable Gentleman that be (Mr. Sadler) had
charged the House with no insensibility to the suffer.,
ing. of the people. He had merely asseited, and in
the temperate, language of the petitioners, that it was
the imperative *duty of Pailiatnent to investigate the
causes of that distress which pressed so heavily upon
the community, with a view to their removal. As to
the observations of the Hon. Member respecting the
postponement from tine to time of the motion of his
Honourable Fiiend, and his disappoints's*: on the
occasion, he could assure him that be was again in error.
His Hon. Friend never bad postponed his minion. and
'it had not come on at the time because theta was. on
'that occasion, no House. Afterwards the HAL Member
'know bow impossible it was to have renewed his inlets.
don. In referring again to the petition before the House,
be would ask whether it was not oecessery, according
to tin arpaiesu of the Hon. Member mamba, to caw

into an inquiry on the important subject of the petition?
They beard,'-it was tsue. of our immease.trade, but it
was connected with starving.manufacturers ; -of an in-
cies-Sing demand for lebour, but of its lessening and
totally inadequate remuneration; of vast capital,. but
raised by the exertions of degrading and increasing' po-
verty. He conceivedahat this state.of things formed a
political enigma of fearful import. which it was essential
to the interests of every class of the community should
be speedily solved.
Mr. WESTERN concurred in the sentiments of the
Hon. Members who had supported this petition. He
thought it was incombent upop the House to make some
inquiry into the distresses of the country belure the ter-
mination of the Session.
Mr. ROBINSON said, that all the Hon. Members
who hid submitted measures to the consideration of
Government, with a view of obtaining some relief for
the general distress which bad for some time past pie
wailed, had invariably met with' so Mich discourage.
ment that they had been prevented froth persevering as
they would otherwise have done. • He was decidedly of
opinion that some immediate measure should be taken
to afford relief; since it was evident that the distress of
the country was increasing rather than diminishing.
Sir R. VYVYAN did not know why he or any other
^individual Member of that House was more responsible
for not having brought forward some remedy for the
'present-distressed itate•of the country than the lion.
'Member for Callinfeton was. He (Sir R. Vyvyan) had
weld time since giveit notice that he should bring for-
ward a Motion upon this subject. and a day had actually
been appointed when that motion was to have been sub-
'mined to the attention of the House; but; from un-
avoidable eircorostauces, it was postponed. When he
gave node* that be should' bring forward the question
of the distressed state of the country, he did not eye
notice of it as of a currency question. although he cer-
it'aii.^ly -believed that the present state of the currency
had, in a great measure. if not entirely. given rise to the
Mumma which prevailed. He believed that the with-
drawat of the IL bank note system had at least given rise
to Much of it. We were told that from the yeas 1797 to
the present time we had been going oil upon a system
of false credit. and that now, by the abolitionist the U.
notes we had returned to a sound and wholesome system,
which could not be otherwise than beneficial to the gene-
ral interests of the country. It was said that the State
currency was now fully as large as it was in the year
1797. But surely when the population and the trade
and commerce of the counts, had increased, it was not
to be supposed that the same cement, would be stiffi-
ciait. Credit—had it not been for that, the laurels of Sa-
lamanca, Victoria, and Waterloo, so nobly gathered. so
honourably won, would never have been the awed of the
heroes who planned and carried into effect the achieve-
mint of those glorious days—had it not been for-this
-system of credit, he was convinced that even at this
moment we should have been in a different and a
worse situation than any other nation is the woad.
The Session was now near t • its close, but if it
were prolonged for another month he would give no.
tine for a similar motion to that which he mate before.
He should then prove that there were causes existing
by which the present distress was occasioned, and al-
though be would not pledge himself to point out any
remedy which would afford immediate mkt-, he did
think that the disclosures which it would be in his power
to make would ultimately lead to the discoitry of one.
In 182 k there
,was nothing said against the country
bankers. but a cry was raised against them about the
end of 1826,because there were a few black sheep found
anions them. and because there was an impression made
upon them by a run such as the most stable credit
could hardly be expected to withstand.He could not but
consider it a singular circumstance that Parliament
should not, before its separation, institute an inquiry
into what might act as a cure for the general distress.
It was an extraordinary thing that the Council of the first
nation of the world should acknowledge the existence
of that distress, and yet content themselves with merely
shaking their heads in place of investigating its origin.
If a man sat down to an arithmetical problem, what-
ever might be the difficulty, he would endeavour to ar-
rive at its solution. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer
and the Right Honourable Secretary for the Home De-
partment, while they admitted the evil, toot no steps
to ascertain its cause. He (Sir K. Vyvyan) trusted that
be should not be held responsible for not bringing for.
ward the subject before the House. When be had men-
tioned his intention to Hon. Members, they told him
that in consequence of Epsom races it was quite impos-
sible to procure a suitable attendance for the discussion
of that question. He hoped when they again met that
the distress of the country would be le,. than unhappily
it was at present. He prayed that it might be less de-
plorably prevalent; but he must at the same time ex•
press his belief that it would not then be less than it
was at this moment, and it was impossible to say what
the result would be should there arise a bad harvest,
with a consequent importation of foreign grain, while
there was no longer a paper currency in circulation
below five pounds.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was a most inconvenient
time for discussing the subject of the petition. He felt
bound to say that he did not think the Hon. Baronet
(Sir R. Vyvyan) was responsible tor not bringing the
motion of inquiry before the House. For his own pail
he must express ails regret that an opportunity had not
been afforded the Hon. Baronet for bringing it forward,
which was be believed altogether accidental, for he(Mr.
Peel) had been qdite prepared to meet it. With sent-
ience to what had fallen from the Hooting able Baronet
he must declare that he had never alleged Epsom
rims as a reason for ant attending to the businejs of
the House. He was fully prepared tot discussing the
question, which it was odd enough was discussed
on the very day of the races, upon the presentation
of a petition, and at considerable, length, for it oc-
cupied the House until one o'clock in the morn-
ing. The Honourable Member for Lincoln had cow.
plained of him . (Mr. Peel) for laughing while be
talked of the distresses of the country. He begged to shy
that he would be the taut° laugh at them ; but the fact
was, that be had mistaken the Honourable Gentleman's
object,rpeoc andoi fr was conceivedfm porthastiblheo for
rs making a hu timorous
him to avoid a smile
when the Honourable Gentleman was treating the sub-
ject as he conceived he was. He-was far from :dosing
to admit that distress did at present prevail; and tie was
confident that the district from which the petition hid
emanated bad soffeted in a particular degree, and he
if
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qtrucredustrioend.
He was afraid, however, ,that thet must admit that
severe distress might exist in .an artificial. and coropli•
cued state. of society which it was impossible for
them to remedy—and he War afraid that the Ho.
nourable Baronet would find that the solution of a
mathematical problem,, in its nature capable of solu-
tion, was not a correct .comparison with the endea-
Sour to discover a remedy for manufacturing depres-
s dreadgmisa 711histreffi theiraright,
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insteadgffhotio Hon. Member
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entertained the opinion that the Corn Laws shoot! have
been mane the subject of irquiry ; awl another Hon.
Member had a similar Pea concerning emigration; bet
he would put it to the House whether or rot both Emi.
•gration and the Corn Laws had not been fairly invests.
gated ? The Hon. Member for Aberdeen had made a
speech of three hours' long fir the abolition of the pre
sent system of Coin Law. and the imposition eta filed
duty. and the House had decided against his motion.
Tinit Honourable Member had expressed himself op.
posed to emigratioit in the same way as the House had
declared itself opposed to his pioposition respecting
the tradeln corn. Now, lie would beg to inquire if
it would be for the good of the comas, if they were
never to permit a single question to rest, and if o
would operate to the genetal advantage if they were
nest Sessiott to agitate the question of 'the Corn Liws
again ? It was his impression, chat to determihe en.
toely again,t.telteration was wrooa, but it was equally
wrong and most unwise never to give a measure a fair
trial. He would specify, for instance, the wool trade;
and he believed that of a partial suffering were always
to be followed by inquiry, there would he no colifiJeote
in their decisions on subjects of that n stale; but above
all, no one could esteem himself sate in investing can,_
tax in a trade liable to changes•thinugh perpetual legs„
lation. When the Ministers of the Crown were euw,iiing
to admit the eiistence of di•tress, inseus,bhtity
ways imputed to thefts; but noterithotandivig the chance
of incurring that imputation, he must sty that he could
not• take the gloomy view of some Holottiable.‘letribets,
nor ascribe the d pressor that existed is any thing but
temporary cause.. H? woad not admit •triat c apical
was diminishing in bass country, 01 that commerce was
cat reed 'eni by. investmentcapital, for the investment of *Mar there
was im return. Such a stare of affairs might; indeed,
exist tot the Session, but he contended th..t capitalwould
be withdrawn if a loss west sustaiiird for a •term of
years. He Mould refer to a single tact as •an answer
to the assertions ef an Hon.Gentfemap on that point. in
the yepr 1815 the rental of the county of Lancaster had
been 'shwa upon fair principles. for the purpose of as.
sensing the county rates. An impression arose among a
part of the iuhabitants that the valuation was unfair,and
list year a flesh valuation was made of the property and
annual rental fur the same purpose as the first. He was
informed that, notwithstanding the distress, the rental of
land and ot manufacturing establishments in that county,
which was in 1815 valued at three millions atinuailbsra4
in 1828 valued at four millions, while the currency
measur, s were in operation during the latter period,
and when the improvement • f the currency must have
been against the aatcuitt of the 'entail. If this were so,
he would oppose that tact to the stiement of the Hon.
Gentleman that manufacturing enterprise was tarried
on at a positive loss. While these were his opinions on
the subject he was ready to admit the consequences of
the unequal disttibution of is retch. Ile could not,iviths
out much regret. view the accumulation of great for-
tunes and the distribution of small warms. He repeced
that he could not view it without regret, while as to its
Causes, although a great deal might he attributed to the
improvements in machinery superseding the necessity
of manual labour, still they were so complicated that
any attempt to improve the condition of affairs by le.
gislation would, in his opinion, only aggravate it.
Mr. ATTWOOD said he did not mean to declare that it.was
a rtprosch to any one Member in particular that inquiry had nor
been promoted; he submitted that it was a reproach to the House
of Commons itself that such investigation had not beta promoted;
lit proved that the House had not fully and adequately dune its duty.
Mr. HUSKISSON cOntended that much distress was the remit
of the mad speculations of 1844 mid 1825; the reaction was seta in
1826, but all the dreadful effects bad not then passed away. He
agreed with the remarks that had (alley from the Home Secretary;
investigation, agitation, and uncertainty. must be the result of cro-
stant inquiries. They would be injudicious, except promoted ea
the most deliberate grounds. As to the shipping engaged in loreige
trade, that was not all that increased—our home trade increased;
and there were now more ships building than during any fame
year. If all the)e things were so—if there were new ships
building, and faetorles building, it must be because they
were wanted, because they might be advantageously employed. or
there was the strangest infatuation amongst the parties building
them. The depression was not confined to this country; it existed
in the United-Sates, and in France. He felt persuaded that the
difficulties were not susceptible of remedy by Legislative measures ;
some of rhost proposed would ooly.aggravate the evils, and throw
Society into convulsion.
Mr. MAX WELL considered that the Parliament bad not done
its duty, in not promoting investigations Imo the difficulties, and
attempting remedies. The alterations in the currency, Su. had
brought goods to the prices of the Continent, and also our wages
down towards the wages of the Continent; and as the same amorist
of taxation was continued, that occasioned the &fleshy. The
truth was, property was net sufficiently taxed; the poor • were WI
much lazed; and except those evils were remedied, the dificultin
of the country must go on increasing.
Sir Glfs/RGE -PHILLIPS sald there was no evidential a
decreaseof capital in the country. He had no fear but that the
resources of the country would enable us to overcome all our diffi-
culties. The evils that now' exist ire such as it is impossibk foe
legislation to curt; they mast btt remedied by time.
General GASCOYNE said his Right gam Frivol and Canoe
(Mr. Huallaga.) no* boasted of having warted the people etas
darer of their 'peculation be 1825. He did so when the failures
cagme ; but during its height he congratulated the ccitiatry oi it
permanent prosperity. There was a well known loss in the shipping
trade of upwards of 40 per cent. He. bad known many ittitaoces
of sew ibspa that cost COM. being Sold for 4,5001. Freights in the
Kist ludiarrade, that used to be four or five pounds a too, had
lately been as low as Iss. Though the wealth of Lancashire
had increased, there was nOt A town or village in county in
which there Were not numbers supported by charitable conttsbe-
twos ; and the mentry in general was in such a state et di,
that the House Outfit to have Instituted an inquiry. Miehiers 014
petted that the distress would be removed wail Parlament wee
again—he was afraid it would'ealy increase, and hoped Parliament
would niett main in.,November up inquire into its causes and
remedles. • . • ..
• -
Mr. D. W. 'VEVEY protested against .the .amertion, that no
remedy cos ld he applied to the present distreaC.,,lnquiry was •
not necessary" to find a remedy. There was sot a man out of
die House of.any intelligence who did not look fur a remedy .
in a substantial diminution of taxation: and nut le" in a am
tan of die -&turd of that taxation. The House bad bet:stud
that Ike hffiiiirl • cif thi• Finance Committee must be
.91'7
ductive of the most beneficial results; but it bad bees ask•
lowed to die away without producing any practical results...e;.
He wished all the Petitioners to that House would press the Howe
to a substantial reduction of taxation. We heard muck Against the '
poor rates, but we were paying a still larger amount in tithes, front
a part of which the land might be relieved. Extravagant tasstha,
engendered an extravagant system, and all that was now said sled-
the distress being temporary, was merely to prevent the effected
remedy of reduction of tazadou.

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Mr. SADLER said the quantity of manufactured goods In Low
cashire had greatly increased. but the amount of wages distributed
amongst the people was greatly decreased; this was a proof ,d
prosperity which be would everlastingly dissent from. The atm.
facturera wets in the last extremity of distress, and could no lesser
be relieved by hope alone. Unless a change of system took plans
if the markets of the East were added to those of the West, ald
the markets of the moon to those of the earth. the state of the
people wool/ be distress. The evil predicted' by Bacon bad be•
fallen us—the engrossment of capital. AU our laws gild retsh'
Lions traded. to the accumulation of capital in the bands of 'WM.
duals, to the injury of the people.
Mr. MABERLY said the House bad been almost deaf to arch*
dons of the people. There was one remedy in, the porter dfM
loose, that Was a reduction -of taxation. The present &sem
merit had lot renewed the Finance Committee, and they woe
therefore bound :o bring forward measures of reduction of tasty'
Lion. He was confident a great benefit might be derived from a
regulation of taxation. Malt sad beer paid 7,000,0001. in Wei°. I
why should not the whole be paid ma malt, which would rgw
360,0001. the expense of collecting the beer tax, besides alb* the
tar more equal
Mr. ROBINSON said the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool
had greatly mis-stated the number of ships built in the bin he
years. In the last year the number of ships built &Vim" 50'
sod In the year preceding.3oo. • .
A Message from the Lord, brought up Mira! Bah WO ti."
'dick Lordships, sod requesting the House to gin. leave to„,