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and would thereehre Fume that this subject be ad-
journed sure die.
Tice SPEAKER entered into a review of the cir-
cumstances conflicted with this transaction ; and,
in the course of his obserirations, declared his opi-
nion, that Membets coming into the Committee.
room, in the interval between putting the Question
and Strangers withdrawing, were not entitled. to
vote in a Committee.—The question was then with-
drawn, and here the subject dropped.

• PETITIONS.
Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a Petition from
Humberstone, praying relief from the public bur-
thens. The Honourable Member expressed his hopes
that this Session would not be suffered to expire with-
out some step being taken to reduce taxation. He
could not refrain from expressing his regret that so
fair an opportunity of relieving the People at large,
and the Agricultural Interest in particular, as a re-
peal of the Malt Tax would have afforded, should,
have been suffered to escape as it had done.
The Petition was received.
Sir R. HERON expressed similar regret, on pre-'
senting a Petition from Stamford, praying a repeal of
the Malt Tax.

CHURCH BRIEFS BILL.
On the Order of the Day for the second leading
of the Church Briefs Bill being moved by Mr. LET-
TLETON,
Mr. CURWEN said, much praise was due to the
,rable Member for having brought this Bill for-
though there were some parts of the detail
imposed expenses on Parishes, to which he ob-
-, and• which he hoped would.be omitted.
Mr. MONCK objected to that part of the Bill
which proposed to make it imperative on the Church-
wardens to gb from door to door through the Parish,
collecting. 'This, in many extensive Parishes, would
be a very troublesome duty to impose on them.
Mr. LYTTLETON said, if there was such a clause
in the Bill as that which the Honourable Member al-
luded to, it was copied from the old Bill. He should
propose, however, to abolish the collection from dom
to door ; and propose, instead thereof, that the col-
lection should be made from pew to pew in the
Church, after the Communion Service.—The Bill was
read a second time, and committed for Monday.

ward,
which

MRTROPOLITAK ROADS BILL.
Mr. D. GILBERT, in moving the second reading
of the Metropolis Roads Bill, regretted the absence
of the Honourable Gentleman who brought in the
measure. The Honourable Member entered into a
detail of the measure, and said the principal defect
of the present system was the minute division of
Trusts, and the natural increase of private Bills. Se-
veral Bills were now in the House for consolidating
the Trusts in various parts of the kingdom ; and be
was fully persuaded great tenefit would be found
from consolidating those Trusts round the Metropo-
lis. He had now only to call on the House to suffer
the Bill to be read a second time, and in the Com-
mittee the minute arrangements might be made. He
understood there were some roads round the Metro-
polis which were already excellent; among these
w ere the Essex roads ; with these he had no wish to
interfere. A report had gone abroad, that the Com-
mittee entertained an intention to place the roads un-
der the Executive Government ; no such intention
had ever been entertained ; as such a measure could
only be productive of evils and jobs. The Committee
had no interest whatever in the subject, nor was it
contemplated that any one connected with the Exe-
cutive Government should be in the Trust. 1-le
should depart from the original plan of sending the
Bill to a Committee up stairs, but should it go to a
Committee of the whole House, :to efforts should be
wanting to make the Bill as perfect as possible.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL opposed the Bill, from
no other considerations but those of public duty. The
Bill proceeded on the assumption of the bad state ofl
the roads ; but it was a well-known fact. that the
roads round the Metropolis had been gradually im-
proving, and a local Bill would have been far pre-
ferable. This Bill was very objectionable to the gra-
tuitous Trustees of the Roads about the Metropolis.
He also objected to the clause by which no Attorney
or Solicitor should act as Clerk to the Trust, which
he considered an unwarrantable stigma upon that pro-
fession. He believed that a great majority of those
concerned would oppose the measure. He should
move as an Amendment, that the Bill be read a se-
cond time that day six mouths.
Mr. DENNISON opposed the Bill, as wholly us-
called for by the state of the roads in the vicinity
the metropolis. He thought one of the provisions
cast an unwarrantable stigma on the profession of the
law. He should'second the Amendment.
Mr. -CURWEN thought the Bill one of the most
extraordinary ever biought before the House. He
understood that £4,000 had been given to Mr.
M'Adam. Who were to be the auditors of the ac-
counts? The Trustees under the present plan re-
ceived no salary ; and he must oppose the Bill.
Mr. F. LEWIS should be sorry if the Bill was dis-
posed of in the summary mode that had been pro-
posed. The goodness of the roads was not the single
question, but at what expense were they made good ?
A few Trusts that were proposed to be consolidated,
amounted to £150,000 a-year, and the object might
be accomplished at half the expense; and great incon-
venience had arisen from the employthent of Solici-
tors as Clerks to Trusts.
Mr. CALCRAFT said, that the former Trustees
regarded this as a bill of indictment against them.
The roads near London were fully as good as any
others. The roads to the south of London were to
be excluded from the Bill ; but he (Mr. Calcraft)
wished the exclusion to be much more extensive. Out
of 55 Trusts 35 had petitioned against the Bill. No
charge of corruption or mismanagement had been
brought against the Trustees. If the Bill came to a
second readiug, he hoped it would be sent up stairs.
Sir H. PARNELL thought the Bill justifiable from
the. state of the roads: from an inquiry formerly
made, it appeared that the roads had been in a vet y
bad state. The roads near London might be made
much better at half the present expense.
Mr. H. SUMNER praised the labours of the Com-
mittee, and thought the Bill should be read a second
time. He should move that the Bill be referred to a
Committee up stairs, ifit should be read a second time.
• The House divided.—For the second reading, 83—
Against it, .16. . . .
Mr. D. GILBERT said, he should move that the
Bill be referred to a Seiect Committee.

Mr. CALCRAFT asked if tie Chattedkir of the
Etchequer was to indemnify the different Trusts;?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER laid.
'that the Treasury had no power over money granted
for public services ' • it rested wholly with the alit.
tnissioners for such services.
Lord MILTON stated, that after Easter be show
move for the repeal of the Duty an Foyeignl,l4ol.
He also moved for au account of all Foregn Weed
imported sincelBls.
suert.y--iiititv Erni/km.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
the Order of the Day for the House to resolviele
into a Committee of Supply on the Army Beehze,
Mr. CREEVEY rose to oppose the motion,
doing so he felt that he had a disagreeable hallo,.
cessary duty to perform. It could not be pleehasfe-
to him to introduce topics which in themselverwers
most unpleasant, but when he saw no dispolk
whatever on the part of the Ministers of the Crows
to economise the public money, he could not corneal'
to indulge them in any votes which they might thialt
proper to propose. In the very teeth of the sun.
lappeals made to them by the country at large, they
went on in their career of profuse extravagance, and
there were no bounds to the lengths they were in.
dined to run—(Hear, hear).—Several Hon. Friends
had wished that the country should revert to the
Peace Establishment of 1792, but all their sego,
menu were disregarded; and but little attention had
been paid to the zealous endeavours for economy
which had been made by one Hon. Friend of his
(Mr. Hume), whose exertions in the cause had gained
him the warm approbation of every honest maul—
( Loud cries of " Ilear, hear.")—The • Members of
that House were the reputed trustees of the People;
but they did not act the part of upright trustees, for
they lived on the property—(Cheers).—Yes, he tee.
tended that they gave the property of the PeOple to
their hangers-on, servants, and retainers. He c
wish to see the People of England represented by
Idelegates, who should hold a conference with die
House at the Bar. He could wish to have seen thsi
' delegates conferring with the trustees within the
ten days. In his opinion they would say to thak
were such a meeting to take place, " We wpm.
Gentlemen Trustees, you are making a good Oieggi
us r'—(Alaugh).—The Hon. Member then boob-
ously commented on the late decision of the ifiaie
with respect to the Malt Tax. The Noble Logi..
polite (Castlereagh) bad, on a former night, whelk
was outvoted on the question of the Malt Tax, mislot
an Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Sir J. Mackintosh
" do not halloo before you are out of the wood r_
(Continued cheering and laughter).—Such terms be
(Mr. Creevey) never could forget; and be was pee-
suaded that the People of England would not foist
them either—f Hear, hear).—The Noble Lord—tie
managing trustee he might be called—had -Ma is
good as his word ; he had summoned his wool*
from all quarters, even from Devonshire; and the
motion for reduction, which had before been carried
by a majority of 25, was in consequence Deg:drat
by a majority of 98—( Load cheering).—This tact
spoke volumes; but it was not all : a Noble Lord, a
Northern Grandee, the 'Thane of Fiji, bad foam a
victim to his honest vote: he had lost 1.:800a-yearby
it—( Hear).-- This was a direct attack upon the pri-
oilers of Parliament. What had become of the
41on. Member for Yorkshire (Mr. S. Wortley)?—
Where was that redoubted champion of priviter
the Member for Montgomery (Mr. Wynn)?--
printer of some poor paragraph against the
would instantly have been
* a breach of privile-
the grossest attack on
they were dumb and t.
to make a man sick of
more sick of its champ
In the reign of Elizal
occasion iomewlaat of
tion to supply=" All
it might be now asserted
force: yet there was
went even in the
.reign
(Cheers from the Mr
rather an interested
from whom it came—,
—lt was an historical i.
was treated very roughl,
coughed loudly, and
1 an indignant and coat
l.sessed such men as Sir
Bacon, and then no
People " not to halloo
wood"—(Hear,hearl
up a Resolution on ,
timents, and which he
without much hopes I
following Resolution.
" That during the present
have been presented to this,
dons, and from every description
statements of distress hitherto •
uniformly demanding, as
the strictest possible economy
money; that the statements
been fully confirmed by '
Members of this House
and yet, notveithstandia
the Mersin estimates .
hitherto been proceeaed
such purposes, without
by this House, although -
the same. That this 110116*
opinion, that this marked fr
to the sufferings of its cot
following fact, via.—Tbat
of this House derive for !'
dependants, large pecuniary I.
and as such provisions fur the 1.
altogether useless or grossly ov.
objects for immediate extinction
disposers of them in this V
in resisting every species
in addition to this gnat
form, the House has lately w.
tion, the influence of the Crown
House, in a manner the mos
avowed object of interfering w.
of their duty to their constituents,
held the office of one of the Lords
jesty, having.recently declared in 1
of its Members, that he had bee
Lord of the Bedchamber to his M
voted in this House in favour of t
" That, under all these circus'
it will better consult its own hos
lie, by immediately inquiring
than ht going into Committees
of the People, without xhr
Coautry ."—(ft eau r mica With anal

e been laid by 'the 'heels by -
ilege ; but let the Cropu ••
on the rights of Parlioident, aril
submissive. Was not this aural
of the word privilege, and • •
opions?—(Continuedcheethr4 •
abeth, Serjeant Fortescoe, on
of this kind, replied to 1111•.
ii is the Queens by ri: r
erred that " xii is the • 's.
u much more decenctid
reign of Elizabeth than
Ministerial .6endies).—That
shout ; it was very easy 0.
-( Cheers front the Offal*
al tact, however, that .
ughly for his assertion ;the .
id finally smothered bis-wic k
mtinued hoot. Yet that it t. 166.
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D man had ventured to tell lk
100 before they were oats(
1.—He (Mr. Creevepbaddc"
the subject, expresavedbis
he submitted for adoption;
sof success. He this Oat
n
resent Session of. Parlsinek.
this Hciuse from every pot d
description of its pepsiatilli
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is one species el relief to •
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vents so made have, is veer? •
y the local information of the'
me who have presented loch
ng such universal applies:loos fit
for the public service for the
id in, and millions of own said
any the least possible red's:ties
is repeated efforts have been mak"
House entertains the 'trona
ted indifference of the •
constituents, is mainly atttestooll
bat a very numerous body silk
r themselves, their fa • • •
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fur the most part are ntadeekkr
/rosily overpaid, and Wife,
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tk
his House have a direct row
es of economical Reform whstorar_
at permanent bar to an ream
lately witnessed, with the greaten
beCrown displayed by its 6011"
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rfering with its rt.lembers in *Y.
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