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London, England, 1817-02-26 00:00:00

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A Message from the Lords informed the House
that the Lords had passed a Bill, entitled I, An Act
to empower his Majesty to. secure and detain such
persons as may be suspected of conspiring against bis
Majesty's. Person and Government." .
After a short conversation respecting the most con-
venient day for discussing the Bill, Lord Conzaeacm
gave notice that he would move the firsi,reading of
it to-morrow.
. Mr. CALVERT presented a Petition from the
Borough of Southwark in favour of Retrenchment
and a Reform ih Parliament.
Mr. BARCLAY expressed his deterMination to
promote, as tar as in him lay, retrenchment and ice.
nomy ; and with respect to a Reform in Parliament,
he conceived it to some extent, but alter
the most deliberate coast ratios of the subject, he
had seen no plan as yet proposed. in which he could
altogether concur. As to triennial Parliaments, he
thought that no advantage could be derived from
them, and that howitver specious they may appear in
thearysehey wets in !Titmice injurious or delusave.
Mr. Serjesnt ONSLOW was very willing to pro.
mote economy and retrenchment in the public ex-
penditure, but he had seen no plan of Reform more
conducive to liberty than the present form of the Con-
stitution..ThiPetition was then laid on the table.
• Mr. SPIERS presented* Petition from the "Burgh
of Renfrew ; and Mr: Arum WaJOHT one from the,
City of Geoid, in favour of Rettedchinent and Re-
form.—Laid on the table.

o' Sir RONALD FERGUSSON presented a Pea
tins, praying the Reform. from the Inhabitants of
the town of Dysart.—.Laid on the table.
Mr. BENNETT also presented a Petition, as the
same subject, lrom eh. town of Church Stratton, in
Shropshire, trhieh was ordered to lie on the table.—
He reprobated, in very severe terms, the calumny
against.tbe public character of tho country at large,
contained in the Report of the Secret Committee. It
had chargid the country generally with disaffection,
yet in this very county (Shropshire), with whose dis-
tress and numerous privations he was particularly
well acquainted, the patience tad forbearance with
which they had been borne, entitled them to the
praise of discretion and loyalty.

PETITION or TNst WOITMINSTER MEETING.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT presented a Petition
from the Inhabitants of Westminster against the Sus-
pension of the Habeas Corpus Act, and hoped, if
Misters should desist from their attempt t• pass this
measure with indecent hurry,, it would be followed up
by others from all parts of the country.
Lord COCHRANE.applauded the generally de-
*conies conduct of the cameos of Wesmuoster in their
public Meetitigs ; it was, in paw, a refutation of the
calonsaies contained in the Report. He never should
be intimidated front attendiagthose, or any other
public meetings, baying for their object tuformetioa
and retrenchment, by terror of chains, imprisonment,
or the censers of those whose a'vpwed object it was to
curb the free spirit of ati injured and insulted nation.
Mr. LONG WELLY-4 .1T bad himself witnessed
the progress of alarm in the best-informed Societiet.
and wished his Majesty's Ministers and tbeiaouse to
encourage counter-petitions from the wellaffected,
with a view to con et the pernicious influence of the
agitators.
Sir FRANCIS B'URDETT hoped that the Oen-
diennen of Eaglia4 would come forwartkat the pre;
.pent-crisis to direit and regulate she publierdelibers-
time end.amociations as they had done io England's
best day& colaPerell the apathy hi the meat
day to the conduct of the first-rite characters in
Spin daring the late contest, who; whilst their
gentry was Toughs fur by hostile armies, yielded a
Whet obedience to each prevailing force in succession.
Mr. ROBINSON thought the tOdiprisoa lan-1
founded, and haunted " that the prcvalence of the

'new ;famines had .sgstorhed And brpken•asunder the
bkiods of society. • •. •
Sir GILBERT HEATHCOTE .defended the
Br: Baronet in bringing a charge of supineness
against the resident Country Gentlemen.
Mr. GURNEY had great hopes the suspensioS of
the Habeas Corpus would quiet the public mind,
and confound the agitators.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT thought it probable
his hopes would be so far realized as that the Act
would be passed. He alluded to an expression of a
Noble Lord (Castlereagh) last night, denomiustingi
the lower orders of people as the a degraded ranks."
He felt it incumbent upon him to protest against any
such distinction amongst Englishmen. There• were
the privileged orders, and all beside were fellow.,
citisens, whose lives, liberties, and properties, were'
equally the object of the Legislature's care. He did,
however, know a particular class of men in and out
of that House, the Sinecurist, the Placeman, and the
Pensioner, who might be denominated the only and
truly degraded rank in the country—(!fear, hear.)
Lord CASTLEREAGH explained, that he had
described the treason as having effected that degra-
dation in a certain class, which in all other cases he
professed himself desirous to treat with respect and
attention. It was always particularly entitled to the,
high consideration and immediate protection of the
House of Commons—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. COXE thought the convening public meetings
by the Gentry would tend to no good purpose.
Mr. G. PONSONBY replied to the charge made
by the Noble Lord, that the Report of the Committee
was a libefragainst the country. No such charge as,
that complained of had been made against the public
in general ; he had assented to that Report, because
it expressly bad charged a particular part of the
people, overwhelmed with distresses and sufferings
no doubt, with listening with too favourable an e•r
to the suggestions of agitators.
Lord POLKSTONE could not help thinking that
to be a libel on the people generally, which was now
adduced as the sole ground for suspending the Ha
beas Corpus, passing a Gagging Bill, and other des-
potic and unwarrantable measures.
Mr. LAW contended, that the higher class, the
middle class, and the agricultural class, were almost ge-
nerally excepted from the charges alleged in the report.
Mr. BROVGHAM said, that the words a fee if
any of the higher Ueda'," in the Report, meantsome
of the higher ranks also. The whole Report resew:-
, bled, nOt a bill of indictment against the grople of
England, but a sentence of condemnation with
•
proof or trial.
After a few words from Mr. Eunirr, in explana-
tion, the Petition was read, and laid on the table.

Sir FRANCIS BURDETT presented a Petition
from the parish of Aruhold, in the county of Not-
tingham', praying for Reform, Annual Parliaments,
and universal suffrage.— Read and laid on the table.
Mr. BENNETT presented a Petition for Reform
from the Town of Chnrch Stratton, in Shropshire,'
which. were read. and ordered to lie upon the table. '
RIMIER OP Till LORDS OF Tilt ADMIRALTY.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY moved, that an humble
Address be presented to the Prince Regent, request-
ing him that he would be pleased to order a reduc-
tion in the number of the Lords Commissioners of
the Admiralty. It was his intention it should be so
framed, as to leave to his gracioua consideration and
option the extent of the reduction.. If his suggestion
were adopted. the number should not exceed four
temrnissioniers, including the senior Commissioner.
A great oldie feeling had neinifested itself through-
out the country, recommending retrenchment. For
this reason it would have. been fortuiste had the pie.
sent motion originated with the Ministry---.(How).—,
It was not to the abolition of sinecures that the peo.,
pie looked op with confident hope of relief. He. for
•one, did not agree in the propriety of redocing'ell
sinecures : nor did he think that the great and effi.
eient public Offices of the. Crown were sofficiently
well paid. Their responsibilities were great; and
there was a very heavy personal expense entailed
'span them from the very nature of their situations.,
There cotiid, therefore, it no attempt made, with,
justice, to reduce the salaries of this class of puhlic
men. In the Marl, part of the history of this cebasiens
England bad nothing. that could be called a.."itley.
There was no arsenal, no dock-yard, non* b tinsel
establishments necessary for a great maribirrie. win,
OUT Wiry consived of but a few vessels fitted 'obi
by the Cinque Portal and;' its time of war, ship;
were borrowed from &Britian stitch In the
.reign
of Henry the Eighth, an improvement took place,
and a Navy Beard and a Board of Admiralty,
were appointed, and dock-yards were twined.—
A code of regulations was Then drawn up, which re-
mained until the reign of Edward VI. and, with dif-
ferent alterations, until that of Charles I. In that
I reign Commissioners were appointed by 'both Houses
lof Parliiment to investigate the 'fairs Of the Navy.
The Commissioners, appointed in 1645 and
.trb49,
I consisted of three persons, tiho received (what would,
doobtless appear to the Gentlemen now in office a
very inadequate recottipeostej—rArre shilliav dr•day.,
for their services—VlNO.) The troubles in whiti
1 the reign of Cbades was involved, occasioned,
_the,, Navy to be neglected ; and it was in a state aeon).
parative insignificaace, even compared with former
days. when Croiswell came into power. It was then
increased considerably—dock-yerds were formed, and
the necessary stores were provided ; but during the.
short adadoisdation of his son it again fell into de.
cay. When Charles 11. came to the Throne, the
Duke of York was appointed Lord High Admiral,
and from that time the growth of the Navy might be
dated. He called to his assistance Mr. Secretary Pe-
lla, who deemed 'it necessary to procure the aid of
persons well skilled in every branch of nautical affairs.
Every inquiry was made by him, throughout Eng-
kad, for properly qualified persons—merit alone—a
perfect knowledge of the business they were to be en-
timed in—was looked to, instead of Parliamentary
influence 'and Court favour, as the passports !.0 ea.;
piayment. Amongst others, air Aathpay net *
ship-builder of great eminence, was induciii.give.
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hla assistance. But the probes e made io hie igisttle
business were surest, that it was necessary to'tta,
detunify him against
e any lois be might sustain by
devoting his tieste lad takats to the national service.
,Mr. Secretary. Pepys, and three others, then formed
the Board of Commissioners, mai. proceeded- with
get. can ,and elution" to wale k over the affairs of
navy. traM.whets Plivale.Cecele. wain. Lord
High Maks% the 'livelier of ttiimaissioikets: was
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' few; Li IlfiCtlasse were five. In l; a 9, shy,
Orford. was at diejleaclnf tl.e Board. the Con; ~
sinners were reduced to four. In 1714, 1717,
1 to come nearer our own times, in 177.5.• it . .-
but five Commissioners. Since that time, cll. re ,
.generally 4: Commissioners, and, in time t i w
, undoubtedly the duties of the Board et Adrreed
might demand the aid of six Coeimissiiinee
But, if those duties were decreased, it could
fairly be held out as an argument, that, because
one period six Commissioners were !mind necess.
e .thert should, therefore, be always continued.
wished, in making those observetions, ti. eu,,,11,
.self against the suspicion of wishing to ca. t any
:oval imputation on the Gentlemen who now c,
posed the Admiralty Board; but tie was b tint:
state, that their number was not consi-tent wiry i
practice of former periods, and was not called I. ,
the present. In 1661. when Mr. Secretary l'e,
called Sir Anthony Deane to the Admir.ii),
stated the qualifications of • the persons see" ~,,
selected to act with him at the Board. "'l'. cy ..vei
he said, a. men having a practical knrvelt d, e ~1
works of the Navy, both at Boards and •t iii, ~
yards, general masters of accounts, liberal of .
and of approved inngrity"i-ei(kear.) He c rtaii,
would not insinuate that those who were iii.vi c.,
erected with the Admiralty were not men et in,
grity; but he would ask, did they come up ti. e•
description given by Mr. Secretary Pew, oe 0
aillitie: of his colleagues ? (hear, hear.) He ~,
not use many arguments to Frove that the Com,
sinners of 1661 were appointed on a u IT teat pi
_ ciple from those of the pres-nt day; he had ,
to remind the Hause„,tket Ministers had I solt..t .
for a Cored of Horse, in older to make him
at the Admiralty, and the tact was made pry c,
elear.:-(Hear, hear.) Sum!), this cicninsta.,c,
of itself sufficient to prove that SIX Lord% tri .t,.
miralty were unnecessary. The Hon. liAli.lo,
support of his opinion, referred to the lt. peat , t
Committee of Finance, of 1797, in which a redtet,
of the number of Lords of the Admiral.y is rec,
mended at the conclusion of peace. The time,
contended, was come, when that reduction ought
be carried into effect. In the sear 1797, we. it
Report was drawn up, there were 147 WO s ~im
embodied—there were now only 19,000. At e
period there were WOO vessels, of 'airlift kinds.
Conitalssion—at present there were only 2(X). Mot
there wills such a reduction of duty, it was prepiete
loirsAi say, that six Lords of the Admiralty, the
Wurnbeithit acted during the war, were now called ter.
Herterulted he had proved that there was a necessity
for a reduction of these sinecure offices, tor so he cce-
siderird them, and he should now move—
"'/'bat an humble Address be presented to his Royal Metre.
the Prince Regent, representing to his Royal Hightsges th.: so
Mapaty's faithful Commons, relying on toe graciois shrrisr: a
of boa Royal Highness to make every reduction to our e,:atiii.....
inane which tt•esatety of the Empire and sound pulley ail: e.
low, humbly pray hie Royal Highness, that be will be pleee.: is
Jim directions that the Lords Coonotsaionere in the Ad,,nral
Not reduced to such a number as the eatgruciea of the coma.
It present serv!ce actually require"
' ' Lord CASTLEREAGH said, if the Honour;
Baronet wished to devolve this question on hi
jetty's Ministers for them to bring Forward, as he
stated, he ought to have made himself acque'
with their intentions—he ought to have waited ti
determination of the Committee appointed to in,
Ma the public expenditure, and learned their
of: the subject, before he had himself proceede
His Lordship deeply regretted the course now
wed in elehoerations of Parliament—a cow.
salictioned by their ordinary proceedings—nani
See.rdacing on•the order book a number of isol
'notices, relative to offices under Government,
bringing them forward without any general an'
"ended view of the system of Governmente-by wl
the House and the country were kept in a stat
perpetual ferment, on the subject of public expenz
Me. • Thir was not the mode pursued by Mr ee
or Me. Pitt. Their propositions on the subj•
economy; weer connected with a coMprebensi ce
of the situation of the country. It such api it
as that contend:d for by the Honourable Bit
were once adoeted—the principle of allowing no
laketioo to Gen:kitten in office—the priucsple of
.giog imoiness done• by unremitting labour—then
iembole system of policy would be changed; and f
:11tatertn eetenuld find, in future, that offices in
count, y would nut be filled by the same descrii
set meiotic/mils as they were now—(Nsor, hal)
It would drive out of office those who were :not
;crested in giving sat:daction. The whole sal
if all the offices, relative to which notice of mi
had been given, were abolished, would not be
than af4.000 or £5,000 per annum, if he cyce,
the office of Third Secretary of Stare, the not 1
ltitive to which, given by a Right 1 ion. Genii
4hlr. Tierney) seemed to be put off sin.
The Noble Lord defended the propriety of hart
Air proportion of civil talent at the Admiralty L.
Lln his opinion, it would be erroneous to suffer pr
sional men (for whom he had the highest respti
out-number those who had been educated in
employments. Professional talents should he c.
in to aid civil ability, and not overshadow it.
neat adverted to the necessity of keeping lir, at
ber of offices of this kind, where men might pi
ally become acquainted with the business of Go'
ment. until they were fitted to undertake the '*
situations. In such schools .it was that Sir Re
Walpole. Mr. Fox, and other great men, first stns
the practical parts of Government. With rogue
chaise:lnes. part of the question, he argued, th.r
idiots investigation et. the details of the 4.l:ee
dock-yards (which could.not be so strictly lock'
in time of war),. afforded full employment :,
Lords of the Admiralty-ethree of whom wee
pied at the out.ports, whilst three sat as a Box
ILondttn. The greatest mischief would flow
altering this system. The Noble Lord prom&
argue, that Ministers leftthe strongest desire Er
we every possible economical arrangenutet—al
itiosidto the Finance Committee—and to
%talkie was not appointed with any mister vie
ado* question of economy—he stated, that
fladiocoote to a determination to recommend
ebolitioo of all sinecure places, after the present .
rest had expired. It was better to sacrifice this n:,
tat rewarding services, since it had become s'' '
obnoxious—but other means must ,be provides
enable his Majesty to remunerate those who li
Deserted well of the State. His Lordship cc iv
by seeing " the previous question:'
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cum/4,c%! by the Noble. -Loyd. Whit had been of Commons had becorre a querion of degree, and
. „....., oor..et to having an Admiralty Board at that it-hed coesiderlbly decreased since the time that
!:. , 0., ro, and one il Town, might be tree as to the Whigs were in power. In 1739 there were 100
.-71 t. of we. but -Too a period of peace. The Noble 111+=ben in the House ; and even after Sir It heir
. : I 4,1-st•ste3, that there had -been no increose in Walpole had been &ion from the helm, there were
.tar re ;.I the Crown, and in support of this 120. At that time the ournher of the House of
~.o:ion ••e had referred to sae impartiality with Commons was by ltto fewer than at present, when
„ ~:!. t‘‘e two services, the Army and the Navy, there were en more than 50 persons in it holding
oro !-ca:ed. As la, its he himself was aware; the places under the Crown. The infl.tence of the
el. -the jnstifted in whit he had stated. Crown had also heel considerably curtailed by the
.7. he !lad ~matted a most material itenialge ib- Unease of strength in public op:n;on, which derived
.;..-ce .-.1 ''le Crown—that which it derliregYthrh the 'particular aliment from the poblicotion of dirk de-
„ ..t..-.:-.• oortese in :he revs' ne, andOliewshisher. of butt Did" not the vr'r phrase in mom in use,
%-. 7-ce:: err;,lo3eJ in its collection—(Hsey, User .. .1 brlwhich the Ministets were called the servants of
Mr. 7 AW considered the qoestinh. riotottiti a.1•11'11 Public, prove the increase of rapider strength
and the truth of what had peen well said, that 44 we
so ot toroth hot as the ground-work csf a system Pl'
possess all the emerge of a democracy with the woo. i
The House should recoitect *hen it
. ...4 71teet:lat it was called upon, not to effect the 'vitt' of an hereditary Crown." In a Government
:like ours it was necessary thot public men should he
. otoot ,ot of two offizes- al.hie, bbt of.evbry ()nice
etraioed and exercised to office. It was of impor.loce 1 r errs of time. When the body of the place was
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that the younger branches of ureat fun:l;es sho,tld;
:-.ckr,'..lne would not give up a tingle outwork—
be inured t'i business, and the offices whit'. there w ts
,1.0.,. ken). f et not his Majesty's Minister's isni-1
; 11, supineness of the Roman Emperors;
who, now so much anxiety to reduce were of great advan-
%. .en :hey lost I Precinct, consoled themselves with o -
, tape in educating men for the service of the State in
.-. jot that they could do Without its produce. Let loth". situations. No man woul4 bring up his son
rot sae they could do withal:two Lords of the
to politics as to a profession ; any other would he
better, with a view of promoting his interest. If he o•-• 'relit, fur when they abandoned a single office.,
sent him to the Army, he might soon rise in war to
t:,,e would abandon the Principle On which their
%. 'moire rested--(Hear, bear).--'They had ar..l the rank of a Genera ;if to the Bar, he might look
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to a series of 1144-guinea fees as a more profitable
ot.; at the point where they could not retreat, where
prospect than any
-thing which a political career pre.
Tot take their stood and fight manfully. As o
wilted. Would Gentlemen on the other side; in obe-
or iOroself. he shotild never consetit to itrle out of
thence to the temporary clamour of demagogues,
to. i an is of tOe Crown the only remaining weapon'
rOi ollith it could defenttbself—(Rtar. hear). whom they professed to depise, call for the abolition
::r. IVA PAL thought that although Ministers
of offices of so much utility i Ministers had no mo.
!..a.: ea-ned as ally in the Honourable Gentleman, tou
trveof ,interest to resist the motion. If they looked
lemseives only, it was a matter of indifference
witO the beer& of his vote, they were not much
which way the House decided ; nay, if it were their
~..2,1 with his fait avowal of t.he military position
r wish to embarrass those oho might become their sue-
, ',tch they
.lotesseled to assume-.(lfeer, sitar) —The g
cthessors, they would desire nnthing better than that
:; .51e Lard complained that the motion attacked one
e motion of the Hon. Baronet should be carried.
, Oct. done. But it his Honourable Friend had in.
Mr. BROUGHAM was surprizeO to observe the
eluded a greater number, would he not have been manner in which the Right Honourable Gentleman
teli that if he wished the question to he entertained, .
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he oast 'disentangle h?,-(Hear)—Out of use siz , had m.isapplied.)?" speech' wi'ith aPPea"d" have
no reference wnatevei to the present question. To
loots of the AdmireltY. one Land and three Sea
what other question his observations ,had been di.
Lois so re ready eificient men, bat it had not even
retied, and to what .arguments he had replied, he
hoe attempted to be denied that the other two were
d a cempkte sinecures. The Noble Lord had .atlopt should not stop to inquire, as they slid not belong tot
' cs, use which was the more unexpected. osit bace
the *discussion of that night. It was his wish to bring
ways failed him, one of recrimination,, He Cafe.
l—od-
d the House back to the question before them. The
Ri glit. • Honourable Gentleman saes, ten sinecure of.
so: for obat had taken place under. loran.; adisop- is;
• -44ces are put down ; but the House would recollect
orations. If they had done wrong, it hecpmeio.he .
. that little could be done in this respect. as little had
present to do right—(Hear).
• been left to be dune. The Right Honourable Gen-
Mr. WARD maintained, that the effect of such demon had stolen a leaf out of the book of an
ymce,dules a fluid be not to take of
the useless CM. Honourable Gentleman now no more; for it is long
bruidoi, hut the decent ornaments of the monarchy. since these tea offices, and a far greater number of
Hr .4.lin: .x.l.h .t the ioflpence of the -Crown, great which they formed a part. were put down by a Re-
anti oiweif ul as it was, might require reduCtion, but port, and two Bills were brought in to carry the re-
it did two follow that.that reduction was to be ef. commendations of that Report ipto effect. With re-
!emit nth: side of political offices.. The under- spect to the character which the Riht Honourabl
paymoi. cif the high Officers of State, which was -Gentleman had wished to lar go on g
the Sea Lords,e alliored upon idi hands, aitended.by the destruction ibe monster he described was not more strange or
of ofb:ers of this description, would place the politi- amphibious than that exhibited in the combination of
ell aff ors of the country in the hands of the wont of a Lord of the Admiralty and an Officer of Cavalry.
all species of oligarchies—an oligarchy of syealth.; He did not know what great office the person who
Mr. BANKES soppoeted the 000tism. He thought afforded an instance of this amphibious character was
Houseshoukl lay doonsoillePrlociPletoglage in training for ; whether for Prime Minister, Leader
,regard to the reduction 01 offices. By *Me- of se Opposition, or Commapder In Chief, was yet
thiomotineoehatobjeet would be secoorphslied. to be discovered. If offices_ were to be called, useful
HUSKISSON expressed his surprise that. his for training Statesmen. it might be expected they
rable Friend should wish the House to lay would be such as required some attendance; not I
pi inciple.for its direction. when in the Cosa. sioneres t not such as required no Labour from the'
tie look precisely the inverse rule. He denied possession, except signing a receipt for a thousand a
-of the Members of the Board of AdotirakY year. It was a bad object for the House to aim at
itemees aftbeir situations.. - - - a victory over the people. The abolition of useless
CROKER stated, that for the coarse of •134 places was universally demanded. The principles of
, thete.were never less than seven Lords of the retrenchment' were recommended by those who better
,dmiralty. at ;41,000 each pee esteem.. So that the andentoOd them than the ltight Hon. Gentleman,
now marked out for Ibolition. was one voted' '
as the true weans. of adorning ;rid fortify *ng the
. ancestors.. without either intermission or say' Constitution and the Crown. The . Committee, in
("alit* is number or salary, daring the whole of which the Speaker took so prominent a port, as well
• long period, .. . • - as Other honoured persona, unfortunately no mere,
'C. POLE contended. that the Board of Admi- were now iiisulted, by imingoold that their objects
Igloo° consist of naval rums. and that the . were sot ',forth, but the countenancing of clamour4,
,of es tnembershad at times varied from otlooo, and the piercing through the sides of the C0n:0444;1.
41770 a-year. Since Mr. Beechen's tisete,iiiiliaBeloifia'shou• Id at Mot hour spare observations on. the bey
Presents there bad been rho Persollsaltramed tiadcfng latter part of Mr. Canning's speech-:&IA'
Phi"( Beccretary, who bad no howsrlodr~of 4ilie' 'right Honourable Gentleman had made •misrei.,
:ighbooriag seas.. :•' ' ' ''' . h
presentations as to the diminution of the influence-of
CANATING considered the qessticiirift elle the Chows, which he felt himself bound to notice.-:-
...-ement of a...W001f 'attacks itteaded ageism' Were there no other ways of. influence than by seats
:ive officers under the Crown, easier the. mask in Parlimisent 1 There might he ,more influence
desire of economy. by .2; meats eontensplated' exerted when there Were only 50 placemen in the
in the Speech from the Throne, or the Address House, than when there were 100. The increase of
the. House. The neommendation or promise the revenue, mid the means it afforded, were to be
:onomy on that occasion did ono emend farther :eoneidered, as well as nor extended foreign depen-
the reonctien of those places which, in common denies. As to the iodocensents to person; to enter '
oleo were denominated sinecures. To that class inks a political life, that was a large and delicate field.
acers the attention of the House had been di- 'which be should then abstain from touching. He
and the trait had been neither small nor 'slow wished Ministers bad not spoken so openly about sets',
iwth. He would not enter into the considens• of political meth who entered on politics as a trade.—
'hether the establishment of such offices as a As to the supposed profits of the exertions of a law-
.d to political services, was wise or not, his opio Tao the Right Hon. Gentleman had a little over.
lfavour of their reduction was already recorded rated the matter. -There might be some particular!
Honig, and he would again give all his exec- cases in his favour. but there was little hope in that
:3 attain tbatobject, but he bad too much 8141 - profession of getting so large a sum as £14.000
to 'appose thot the nocessions•now required a-year, with comparatively lode of no labour at all.
i attain the restoration of public tranquility.—. (Near.) This, it appeared. was open to traders is
the Hone consider the nature of the obloquy another branch. The Noble Lord and the Right
' againsothemsehos, Re would suppose that Hon. Gentlemantad attempted recrimination. The
;oven, or the Lords had recommended the abo- question itself they left unanswered. '!'hey said onle
,of sinecures, and that the House of Commons 44. what did see do when in office r. This.was ifi
slow to adopt them. But the contrary was the wretched and miserable ft parse. If well-founded,
• fur the House of Commons had done every it wat beside the question. It did not apply to
in their power to abolish those sinecures, but him, nor to those who were of no particular party,
:Os had stopped the measure. In directing the and still less toobe people—(Bear. )It was irrelevant
lily of the people against .the House of Com- as well as false in application to his (Mr. Brougham's)
, and the language of adulation to the ether friends, who were twitted and taunted with it. Duo.
his of the Legislature, it was not that they ing the tithe they held the .places we were at war,
. those brooches better—No! it was because the and therefore. the argument was inapplicable. .He
.hale of Commons being destroyed, the road to the implored the House to dismiss every consideration
of what remained was open and surto:464l4e iidoept the state of the country,' particularly if quit
of the present Ministry depended on this algli i4Piviate to, put down clamour. The Right Honour.
abettedoe, it was a high compliment to thet fOritlel Ali Umnao hitatelt bawd been the, greatest del*:
brought to trial, not for any thing' deer derl wholesale dealer in elansper of all, from 1841
p ten
...id done, invented, or sanctioned-, serlosoati affair `to the end of his: speech that night. The!'
"no their adversaries had manifested a die. • '4113 wished well to the Ciaostitudian of the country,
p..rt witli.--(14a1 Awes 4' Hear, hear, 1mai.)'..... and df that Hone,' ought to feel .the necessity of
,ey had tried their hands, sod hod not found via satilfying the Just, reitstioable, and alienations
1s of .the Admiralty too many. Oh ! but their of the people (Ater). •. ' • . . .
,rds of the Admiralty were of "the roper sett, the The Hone then divided mi the previous question
'e Phoorolfeeiste; the trueamphibious breed, while moved bj Lord ClutPareao4folViles ROB t Noes 1521
present did net, as Tifirseek said to cakiitth show'. MajorltY 58: I`hie4ther WOO ,Of the 4a7 were then
specimen; of the true- aciomonitert 'frWob- disposed tifoKilfourbed. '' - . .

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