Star.
London, England, 1811-06-06 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS:

A new writ was ordered, on the motion of Mr. Willis-row
ter the Borough of King's Lynn, in the room of Lord Walpole,
who since his election had accepted the place of one of the Lords
Commissioners of the Admiralty.
A Message from the Lords informed the House, that their
Lordships had passed Loveden's Divorce Bill, and the White-
chapel Charity Bill, to which they desired the concurrence of ilie
House. The Bills were then severally read a first time, and or-
dered to be read a second time.
The Verdigris Bill, the Bill, the Prize Goods Bill, and
the Hat Duty Repeal hill, were read a third time and passed.
The Irish Court I louses Bill went through a Committee. Report
to be received to-morrow.
The Assessed lax Bill went through a Committee, and the
Report was erdered to be received this day.
The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland's Allowance Bill was read a
second time, and committed for this 'lay.
Mr. WHI BREAD brought up the report of the Committee
upon Mr. Mallison's petition, which was ordered to lie on the
table, and the report and the appendix to be printed.
Mr. MARRY AT gave notice of a motion on Thursdry se'n.
night, relative to the administration of justice in the island of
Trinidad.
On the motion of Mr. CALCR AFT, the third reading of the
Shoreham Road bill was postponed till Monday.
Ott the nto)on of Mr. ROSE, the House went into a Com-
mittee to coustiter the Duties onTimber. He proposed, that the
duty on Norway timber should be equalized with that on Bakic
'limber. Agreed to, and report to be received to-morrow.
On the motioti of Mr. H. MARTIN,an account lately presented
relative to an lout ase on the Salaries of Public Offices, was Or.
demi to be printed.
S:r 1. SINCLAIR moved the thirA reading of the Highways
EIP. Alter some Amendments the Bill wag read a third time.
The CIIA NCI' 1.0 R et the EXCH EQUE It gave notice, that
nn Fruity next, lie sitould move a Vote of 'thanks to General
Beresford, and the Army under Lis commaild.
Mt. W. POLE brougl.t is a Bill for discharging the Arrears
Of Land Rents ialreland, which was read a first time.
COTTON MANUFACTURERS.
Colonel STANLEY, after a tew preliminary ob-
servations or. the distresses of the Cotton Manufac-
turers in Lancashire, moved—
That their Petition, praying relief, should he referred to a Se-
lect Committee, to examine the,matter thereof, and report their
opinion to the House.
Mr. BLACKBURN seconded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that undoubtedly there was every disposition
in the House to give attention to these Petitioners, and
if possible administer relief : but he confessed, that
after all the attention which he had given to the sub-
ject, he did not think that this was a case which
would admit of any practical relief. In this point of
view, to refer these Petitions to a Committee, would
only encourage expectations which it was not proba-
ble could admit ofibeing realized: at the &MO Lune,
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if any gentleman had any particular mode of relief'
to propose, he should not oppose the Committee.—
This was the view that he took of this interesting and
distressing subject.
Sir R. PEELE suggested, that it might be prac-
ticable, perhaps, to afford such temporary relief as
might prevent the manufacturers from emigrating to
rival countries, and till they could turn their hand to

some other occupation.
Mr. PONSONBY was friendly to the appointment
of a Committee, because some gentlemen might sug-
gest a plan there, .which he might not choose to ad-
vance in public. At any rate, if relief was found im-
practicable, the Petitioners would receive a denial
more contentedly after examination, than if examina-

tint: was refused altogether.
Mr. ROSE thought that what had fallen from the
Right Hun: Gentleirian who had just sat down was
decisive upon die subject. It any thing occurred to
that Right Hon. Gentleman, which Might afford
practical relief to the Petitioners, that was a reason
for going into t'i.e Committee. or himself, he did-
not think that any one of the remedies expected or
desired by the Petitioners could be applied with bene-
fit : even the Hon. Bar met behind him (Sir Robert
Peek) whose opinion on the subject he had heard
both in public and private, did not consider any of
the plans proposed possible : however, as the distresses
of the Petitioners were great, and they had born.with
exemplary patience the privations to which they had
been subjected, he was of opinion, that if any mode of
1 relief could be devised, Parliament could not be bet-
-1) ter employed thatt in providing the means of carry.

ieg it into effect.
Sir R. Peace And Mr. PONSON lilt explained.
General TA RLETON trusted, that the House
would enquire into the distresses of the Petitioners
with a patient attention. Their petitions were such
as it was becoming then: to present, and their appeal
was made to the generosity and liberality of the
House. The sons and brothers of many of the per-
sons whose names were signed to these petitions were
shedding their blood in- the cause of their country ;
but even their conduct was not more meritorious than
the peaceable behaviour of the Petitioners under their
sufferings. He hoped, therefore, that the House
would, by agreeing to the motion, shew that they
were ready to enquire whether any relief could pos-
sibly he afforded to them.
Mr. DAVIES GIDDY had attended all the Com-
mittees which. had enquired into this subject since he
had the honour of a seat in that House, and the con-
viction upon his mind was, that no human ingenuity
could devise the relief required. When the last Re-
port was made, he felt this impression so strongly,
that he had given notice of his intention to oppose
any motion for laying such Petitions in future on the
table. But still, es it might be better to agree to
the present motion, than to reject the application in a
peremptory manner, though he expected no benefit
to result from the proceeding, he should consent to
go into the Committee, under the impression that it
might tend to soothe the feelings of a very merito-
rious class of subjects.
Mr. ADAM observed, that as it seemed to he ad-
mitted on all hands that an investigation into the dis-
tresses of the Petitioners, with a view to ascertain
what practical relief could be afforded them, ought
to take place, the only question was, what that relief
wet to consist of ? It had happened to him to know,
that in a small district in the country, with which he
was more particularly connected, distresses such as
those complained of by the Petitioners, had been very
severely f eit. He knew also that these distresses had
been in a great degree relieved by the measures taken
by humane individuals, and the voluntary exertions
of those who had the means of assisting towards that
object. The relief thus afforded had been pro.
ductive of highly beneficial consequences. It might
be right that the Committee should consider how far
relief, such as that he referred to, could be applicable
to the case of the Petitioners. He wished, however,
not to be understood to say, that the precise mode of
relief, which had been found so serviceable in a small
district, would be equally beneficial if resorted to for
the seller of the large bodies of manufacturers whose
distressing case was then under consideration.
Mr. A. BARING agreed with the Right Hon.
Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) that unless some practical relief was likely to
result from the adoption of the motion, they would
by agreeing to go into the Committee only excite ex-
pectations which would. afterwards be disappointed.
. He for one should object to any relief by a grant of
money. The distress was general amongst persons
connected with the commerce of the country; and if
any inquiry was to be instituted at all, he thought
that the Committee should he appointed to examine
into the general system of the commerce of the coun-
try ; and to ascertain whether there was any thing
radically wrong in that system to which the distresses
of the manufacturing classes could be ascribed. The
point had been adverted to in the petitions, where the
distresses of the manufacturing classes were in part
attributed to the state of our relations with America.
The trade with America was that of which alone the
enemy could not possibly have deprived this country.
i He should not, then, assert, whether it may not have
been possible so to have regulated our politics, as to
have maintained amicable relations and commercial
intercourse with America ; but certain he was than
the situation in which we stood with respect to Ame-
rica wm that in which the enemy most would desire
to see ds placed. He thought, also, that if the in.
quirf could be entered into, with any prospect that
the House would sit long enough to allow of its be-
ing conducted to any beneficial result, the system of
granting licences, which had been so much cried up,
should at the same time be investigated. This was
the only measure that could be looked to for any sa-
tisfactory consequence ; but perceiving that the feel-
ings of the House were in favour of going into the
Committee, he should not press this point farther.
After a few words from Sir John Newport, Mr.
Wilberforce, and Mr. Pole Carew, the motion was
agreed to, and the following Members appointed of
the Committee :
Mr. Wilberforce Mr. D. Giddy
Mr. Whitbread Caron
Mr. Paterson • t- il Stanley
• Sir J. Shaw Mr, Blaaberne
Sir J. Anstrinber ' Sir R. Fed
• Sir J. Graham • ' Mr. Booth
Sir J. Newport Mr. Rose
Mr. Poosonby ' •• Bradshaw
Mr. C. Long r Mr. Houton. •
Ordered, that the Committee /TM their Obilereaddri
lion. • , •

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Ordered, os the medal et Mr. !mumble** the Nikko
from the Manefueturen of Ayrshire, Lanark, and Relive'', be
referred to theintid Commalnst.
Ordered aloe, on the anti= Of. -Loy- d HA-
MILTON, that the Petitions of the Manufacturers of Paisley,
Glasgow, and that neighbourhood, be referred to the said Con,-
',sheer. . .

SPIRIT. DIALWRACK.S.
The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER.
pursuant to notice, moved for and olitiined leave to
bring in a Bill to suspend the payment of drawbacks
upon Spirits exported froni Ireland to England, or .
from England to Ireland, till $ months after the com-
mencement of the next Sesaion of Parliament. The
Hon. Gentleman stated his intention to be, to bring
forward a measure for regulating the countervailing
duties and drawbacks in next Session ; and added,
that the object of this bill was to protect, until the
other measure should be passed, the English distiller
from an advantage possessed by the Irish distiller,ac-
cording to the state of the existing law. The duty
was not made to apply to strength in Ireland as here,
and consequently the Irish distiller might distill at
the highest possible strength ; suppose
.100 gallons,
which would' bear lowering by the .addition of 30 gal-
lons of water. Duty was paid for but 100 gallons,
and on exportation the whole duty was drawn back,
and the Irish distiller had $0 gallons duty free for
the internal consumption. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man observed, also, that it was his intention, when
the Bill should come to the Committee, to move an
instruction for the introduction of a clause, prohibit-
ing the exportation of spirits from either country to
• the other, except such as shall be warehoused.
• After a few words from Sir JOHN NEWPORT,
the motion was agreed to.

DELAY; IN SUITS 01 CHANCERY.
Mr. MICHAEL ANGELO TAYLOR moved
the Order of the Day for the resuming the adjourned
debate, on his motion, for preventing the delays with
respect to suitors in Chancery, when the order was ac-
cordingly read.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY, Mr. PONSONBY,
Mr. ADAM. and others, supported the motion at
considerable length, chiefly on the grounds that the
Report of the House of Lords did not afford suffi-
cient information as to the causes of the delay io the
decisions of suits in Chancery, and Appeals. They
also recommended the adoption of a temporary com-
mission, and contended that do experiment should at
least be tried.
The CHANCELLOR of 4e 'EXCHEQUER
and Mr. WILSON contended, that tbe House was
already in, possession of sufficient information as to
the causes of delay ; their only subject for consistera.
tion was, therefore, the propriety of the remelt/ pro.
posed.. They stated that a great increase bad talon
place in the number of motions within .the last ten
'years, and conceived that there was a necessity for
the appointment of some new Minister of Justice in
the Court of Chancery. •
Mr. TAYLOR replied at some length, after which
the House divided, For going into the Committee 36
--Against it 36.
The SPEAKER then gave his casting vote for
going into the Committee, making a majority of one.
The,Committee to consist of the Ibilowtag, among
other Gentlemen :
Mr. Taylor Mr. Tierney
The Master of the Rolls Mr. Saes
Sir Samuel Romilly Mr. Wilson
The Chancellor of the Ex. Mr. Horner
chequer ' Mr. Leycester
Nit. Pon•onby Mr. Peek, &c.
Mr. Adam
It was ordered, that the said Committee have power to smirch
the Lords Journals, touching all proceeings in matters of appeal
and writs of error.
Mr. TAYLOR also moved, that it be an instruction to the
Committee to examine into all the fees and emoluments taken by
the Lord Chancellor in his jurisdiction of Chancellor, as well as
in Bankruptcy proceedings.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that
this point would be a subject of enquiry with the Committee
now sitting on public offices. The instruction appeared, there-
fore, unnecessary and exceptionable.
Mr. PONSONBY believed, that the business Of that Commit-
tee was to inquire hue the profits of sinecure offices; and the
office of Chancellor could never be considered as a sinecure. If
mother person was employed to relieve the Chancellor, it was
but fit to consider whether that perron should be paid by him
who was relieved, •r by the public. The enquiry, therefore, into
the fees and emolumetts of office was very unnecessary.
Mr. MANKES believed, that the powers of the Committee on
Sinecures did not extend to the office of Chaocellor. There were
some officers about the Chancellor who held sinecure situations,
and received large fees, part of which went to the Chancellor.—
Into these office, the Conunitute on Sinecures could examine, but
not Into the emoluments of the Lord Chancellor.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER declined press-
ing his opposition, and the motion was agreed to.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The House having resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply, the Chancellor of the Exchequer moved a
Vote of Credit for the sum of £3,000,000 for the ser-
vice of Great Britain
Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that if he could
have entertained any espectations of a fuller atten-
dance, he would not, on the present occasion, have
called the attention of the House to the state of pub-
lic affairs. Matters had now been carried so far, that
there could be no difference of opinion with respect to
many of the most important points of.oor foreign po-
licy,and particularly as to the nature of the warfare
betwixt this Country and America. The Resolutions
of the Committee (which the Honourable Gentleman
here read) put the nature of that warfare beyond dis-
pute. As tar as regarded the Continent. the corn-
mereial policy of France had been completely success-
' ful. With respect to America, Ministers had rendered
the trade precarious and uncertain, though they had
contended that necessity would force her into Com-
merce with England, which, after the trade had been
now four years interrupted, she still continued to refuse.
One reason against going into a Committee, in conse-
quence of the petitions upon the table, was, that no
one could take upon him to say that a Committee
could afford any relief to the sufferers. The grant
of money, it had been contended, would be unavail-
ing. But if proof could bring conviction, by the
abandonment of the system pursued with regard to
America, relief might be afforded to the sufferers at
home. He would not enquire if we sliould have fist
repealed the Girders of Council ; but if the Berlin
and Milan Decrees were repealed, an experiment
'might have been made how tar this was sincere,—
' Americal had been treated with a degree of indiffer-
ence, that no independent Power could bear. By the
conduct of Lord Wellesley, all Intercourse had been
broken off, and at that moment nothing was pending
betwixt them) Countries-. The ROW bad formerly
been deluded with respect. mthe:sat: re ot our tzars-
saddens withAmenet. The at'' the Ex.

chequer would not then consent to the production
of the' communication betwixt the two countries:
fitit the correspondence had since been published in
all the American Newspapers. He had seen the d:.
plomatic correspondence betwixt Lord Wellesley and
the American Minister, and was sorry that such a
man as Mr. Pinckney had left the country—a mm
who displayed inch patience and forbearance, Sri
those qualities as severely tried as. perhaps, had ev:r'
been experienced in the course of a diplomatic m
sion. On the 25th and Slat of August, 1810, and
en the 12th of October, the British Merchants appli:d
to the Vice-President .of the Board of Trade, who
could give them no information as to the revocati
of the French Decrees, but referred them to the Ciou •
cellor of the Exchequer, who was then out of tut.. a.
On the 12th of November Lord Bathurst saw the d
potation, but could give them no information on the
subject, and referred them to Lord Wellesley. H
Lordship named the 19th for an interview, and an
offer was then made to send an American ship and -
cargo in order to ascertain whether the ['tench De-
crees were or were not illusory. This offer, hontver,
had been refused. For his own part (Mr. Whitbread
said) he believed the Decrees bad been repealed, and
were no obstacles to revoking the,Orders of Council ;
those Orders, which had produced the destruction of
this country, and the Petitions now upon the tahle of
the House. On the 29th of December, and on the
12th of January, the same ignorance prevailed. Lord
Bathurst and Loid Wellesley bad conducted them.
selves with the grossest inattention. This, he beneved,
could not be contradicted. The American Goveriauet.t
expected the revocation of the Orders of Council, in
consequence of the revocation of ahe French Di:erect.
Mani vessels had been sent to France, and some of
them captured by our cruizers. The American M.i.
ulster claimed the restitution of one of them, the For,
and fur some time theLgalpnlceedings vier: suspen-
ded. After the departure of Mr. Pinckney, tie pro-
ceedings were resumed, and though the lodge (S::
W. Scott) suspended the record o) conderoax:.nii, io
at the same time declared, that unless a retrosp ctive
order was made, all the vessels captured
condemned. Many 'lon. Men:hers had te,ifcrni:y
thought with him, that the Orders in entitle I wet:
founded in political error, and therefore wis far
their repeal ; but from motives of pride or o'a.ttitacy,
his Majesty's Ministers' stiiiinaintained them,
withstanding the daily Fools which were givsn th :t
they were inereheaefscial to the enemy than to oar.
selves. They had completely cut off all interconm
I with, America, but had in no degree diminished e
Icommercial intercourse of Ames ica with France.—•
(liter, hear, from the %amities.) He would call the
serious attention of the House to the consequence
which was likely to follow that system of policy ;
America, unable to obtain goods of British mailable •
ture, would naturally divert her industry into another
channel, and improve her own manufacture. In c.,n.
firmation of his opinion, he should state, that from
documents which he held in his hands, no less than
3,247,000 yards of woollen cloth, and 211,000 yards
of cotton cloth, had been made in the course of last
year, in the province of NeW'Yoek. Were such the
fact, and he had no reason to doubt it, America
could (were En 'and by a coneulsioutif nature bu-
ried in the stay find every article of manufacture
which we had usually supplied her with, even with-
out retaineg any intercourse with the Continent of
Europe. He trusted our differences with America
might be still amicably adjusted, to prevent, if pus.
sible, the misfortune: which he had pointed ou:. He
I had no doubt but Mr. Foster would perform his dirty
to his country, but he could not but lament that that
Gentleman had not been sent upon this missi m until
all correspondence betwixt the two countries had en-
tirely ceased. When he was upon his legs delivering
his sentiments upon the proposed loan, he could rot
avoid saving a few words upon the war upon the
Peninsula. Situated as this count' y was, the struggle
in which we were engaged must be maintained t,
conclusion, which he hoped would be favourable ; .it
the same time he wished to see some effort
while our arms were so successful, to obtain a pc a. ;
but to prevent any misconception or mi.represeata-
tion of his sentiments, he declared that he never sheold
desire a peace which should re dishonourable to h:s
country. ( Hear! hear!) Until an earnest end..o.
your should be made to obtain an houourable
he would never believe that it was inattaluable. 01
the military talents of Lord Wellington he entert.,•:.-
ed the highest opinion, and expressed that ceiinhot by
I the vote he g ~ve on a recent occasion.; but when
reflected upon the particulars of the many bar.Cies
which we had *ought up..n the Peninsula, he dio r. At
think any man entitled to anticipate the final resit:: ct
the struggle, unless our allies ,hould give a'u'
greater assistance than they had hitherto dole.
neat subject to which he wished to call the Attellt 1011 of
the Committee, was of a domes:ic nature, ne
situation in which his Majesty's subjects would heel 4CCA,
lin the event of his Majesty resuming the exerci,: of tl..e
Regal functions, during the prerogation of P.:. ,ia-
menu At present the public were entirely ,goolaht
of the state of his Majesty's mental 1)r.11:11,
leans issued were generally enigmatical, and ep a.
rently written to delude.. ( Neer ! hear !) From th,:in
it would appear that the Sovereign's rceuvory wog
like the mathematicallines, wheat conlinually ap-
pporcritaclotted,thebut,ueneevne,si tl
examination of the Physicians-, whereby it appeai4l
Cm-eli"ncill,lefohuand.ied seen
epost e e;
that he was then incapable of resuming his h ti'
flee ; but as a prorogation would soon tak •
thought Parliament should examine tit,
and determine whether any alteratiao
in the law which now existed rco.-
restoration to his authority.
tremely reasonable, as the exisza . •u '
Parliament should assemble witl,;o 1... , • 1.
Majesty's declared recovery : 1 -
prorogue it aain without •
business ; and, in the event .t
Rouses would have the same cr;t::1: !"
Regent which they had at the c ^ '
present Session. Another tea% e! • .
Vote of Credit wass that the Pi
advised, to withhold the payment ,7
to an individual, which had b.., o•
The CHANCELLOR cf EXk. •
did not think that the Hon. Centl_.ll
the practice .4 Parliament, had an‘ 1,40( • • *
duce sp mei* topics in delivenng his
'the question before the Committee ; but .is
done *lM;(he Chancellor of the Exchequer)
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