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!n.'l::g that aro:tete, tile honour of the country rag
• t ()mini; ted, the ductiments on the table sill `s
r datuls eri.v:. will exhibit, indced, along
tut ks of !itt riAllet, lot riot one of I:nl;e:outing
weal:nett. ‘VI.iIC 7imai,17.1 a hope ot peace no I
communimion sva.: marl • Parliament, heeaute it
was tlirtistlit, and, I thit,it, juilly, that futh corn-
nrunicatbf s would oft: .• t.,! rather than pi °mote
the attriir, it ot the &arable ob]crr. Wh.it the
,it Minilitis has been throughout, I h••pe.
ir, that the Houle hare n. befoe them fill; and
a:lTb: c.‘mmutacati,tins, and if a Jiro d••clitnent
be w ,nting, by the help the c,tn.tut (II
111. . 1:e docidate,t, they !hail ft el it
ri d tt, to the Houfe to Ito ntfli it with:oat delay.
1" tr. •• n•-..nn!.! 'heir, thare am now reads. to fay, Sir,
ttl..rrtvtr 114;:•,t they may he induced to beltold
`.loci :et; are ready to ricet-thcir deci.
lion We raily cell lot a declllon ; we do rut venture
to a.h. fir approlniti.•, : ate hoiverer, to
ceotint-;-if it h: no, iteol. tie f•tbmitlisely
• ir, the i'crtence of the Houle ; but if it be un-
le! our :niuds be rt iieved from the charges
which :ne P....foi;:tlons now propulcd hang over us,
raid let t.itrn go unlettered to the ditch:lige of tilde
(11 tics of which they are defirous to acquit
theinfeives with zeal, diligence, and fidelity. Let us
know that we do not go forth in the eye: of the
country liratitled with the IliFma of the difplealure
of the Honle ; or if we have unfortunately incurred
their difonohation, let it be proved by a direft :
charge ; it tl:e 1-T:t:itt fay the charge is not founded,
out rl.ii I. 1:1 i-c nth d—i they fay it is, we
ftall bow to tl:e decision with the conicioufnefs of hay-
ins, exerted our be ft endeavours todeferve a better fate.
Mr. Pr confirs, Sir, it is with great pain that
I fee; rny fclf unable to vote for either of the quer
Cons.fuhmitted :0 the Honfe. particularly after the !
laruole way in which the Right Hon. Gentleman on
the floor has, with a manlinefs fuitable to his chain- ;
ter, prerld the Houle to adopt fome decifive refolt•s
tior,. I porriff.ll a full and clear opinion of the
merits of the cafei to the extent of either direaly
negativing: or adopting the Refolutions which Save i
propofed, I (lipoid, following the unbialad dic-
tates of my coufrience, give my vote on that fide to
seli;eit n,y id4rrien: inclined. If I agreed with my
kirht Honourable Friend Mr. Grenville, in thin*.
ing that the firll Reps we ought. to take in duty' to
the public. were by a retrofpeftive furyey of the con•
duct of Mil:tiers to judge of their fitnefs to exer-
cife the funClions to which they are called, and if
upon that refuit It were forced to conclude, that the
papers on the table4forded evidence of criminality,
of ineapacitv, of rniftonduCt ; then, however pain-
ful the tacrincc of private feelings might be in tak-
ing fuch a part in the cafe of individuals whom I re-
fpeCt, I lhould feel myfelf bound to concur in an Ad
drefs to his Majelly for the.removal of his Minillers.
On the other hand, if I were one of thole who conli-
dered the explanation afforded by Minifters upon
general points, ft) clear as to jullify a decided negative
of the propcifitions moved by the Hon. Gentleman
over the way—a negative which would imply appro-
bation, for in loch a matter to avoid ground of ceni
lure, may be con fidered the fzme as to have defetved
applaufe ; I fhould feel toyfelf happy in joining in a
decifive negative to the motion. But to this extent,
either of approbation or of cenfure, tam unable to go.
I cannot concur in the letter, or in the extent of the
charges involved in the .propolltions which have been
moved, fome.of which appear to be miflated, unfoun-
ded, or exaggerated. Betides, I am aware of the
inconveniences that viouid Wok from fupporting any
meafure which has the tendency of the prefent motion,
utiles the clearea neceflity eclat; for it. ,Though I
do not difpute the right of !his Houle to addrets the
King for the removal of Minifters, yet nothing is
mote nitleitievotis than a Parliamentary interference
by declared ceirfore, rendering the continuance cf Mi-
nitlers in office suipoflible, utiles that interference is
jultifi.id by extraordinary exigency of affsiirs. Nut dirt
petting the of the Finale, I contend that the right
is,to be governed by a found &fere tion and by the pub-
lie jinn-ell. We flora look to centiderations of public
expediency and of public fafety. There are fome :ref-
tiens ur the difeallion of which Gentlemen, rout feel
more than they can well exprefs, and th:s,wi:h rr.7.lftl.
to the interference of Parliament for removlng Mini-
ilers; is one of them. Admitting even that there were
erinfidetable grounds of diti:oistaCtion at the eondlia.
of Miaiiicrc, would it tend to promote thofe exer-
tioni, to eticiiiirage thole facrifices, which the difficulty
• o.4tlgcr if our fituation require? Would our
rr:cans or fitflaining the tlruggle in which we are en-
gag:d, and tit cal.in froth thufe refources neceffary
1.-: •ir defence, be improved by cutting fhort the
Ariminiiivalion' and unfettling the whole'
of Got ernmi nt ? Ti difplace one Adminitira-
C-ii tad tot intro,!ace a new one is not the Work of
• thy. With all the.,furiCtions of Executive Power
ritiPeodrii, with the sign's,. mean% of coennurnica-
t,:a. het icer, Parliament and the Tin nuelmerr opted,
wkelrs. nay, months, wafted in doubt, tidcertainty,
and inaction, bow could the Public fatel_y confents
olio l: a date of things c, viiiicnt and unnatural as
refnit fium Pacliarnedt rendering one Admi-
r'•iiralicraiticapt,ble of exereirorg any ptibiie funttione,
swi bout any oil Cr tiK:ient Cove. nnorot iiio
taired in its /lead? .‘, luck a Rate of thing-, ric-
e:Ala ::.1 by ii e etaidurl of 'Parrarhen,, tl:e twit
'-': tit patron ming the pledge we hare gi•-•.0 of I•ap-
:, -•:afr, hais Majey wi•:) our lives arid. fir, tom s in
tr.at a tr into which lie ha, been forced by the air. tf.
f..ons of the enemy? 1 will znture to hint alio. that
fuJi a liep any that (I.lotlitiftlC•
C.:tB, 1)1 %%holt it might and what it would be, muff
ete:.-n.i upon the. Crown, would feel itfelf placed
i•i a midi ,ks.C3IC radiation. To put the matter as'
c aiid delicately as porTible, would any
of men reel their ititrodirtion to power in dick
(-::n& ince, • . • lie Inch is to Cll.lbie Clan todifeharge
i-, a mairnertad-!.iCtory to thernielvce theduties which
:el eve:rill a period nu:ft mace are confide.
r;.t,• C.• ir to. ('row-n and the Public ; and they out-
y. Al! tio.ie %elite!. indent thernfelves, on * partial
S'l .b: art ntages esldeh could be hoped from
a rt.,:,C•.:a,n of ti,at cenfure and diffoietion of. Ad-
• an,, n to which the propofirlons tend. I am
• : :1 .. t at 11. e kt;bt Hon. Gradettass air ti,eitdr, and
• A the A•r:h te-rA bear, !null reel their ii:tra-
t an ordeltnigetilleemeight of a queflion fo
i, ss • natty involved, rttreAin•
-hen other facriticcs are
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uptheir minds to the extent of centiei,e; . ! s
the adoptionof the proPeffitions.or appro... ie., . • os
duet by agreeing to a direct negative. me.a j.. tilt
IbrilelT:ldale mole. Thole, who, on the ex erne.ei ion
of the papers, from any feeling of regret for the iteps
whielt Mioifters ton( - in the hegociation, mull confult
their conticience or, the vote they are to give. They
cennot do that which mull. imply appre,bition whep
i do not filo! one the cafe mule not that appro-
bation has been dello ved ; neither can they vote re-
vere cenfure leading to an Addrefs for removal, when
they do not confider the charges made completely
i retteined. Having flatcd the oppofite lines of con-
i duet which prefent therm-elves in deciding upon the
j propentions, I do not intend to enter into any de-
! tailed difeutlion of the papers. I do not even with to
1 entertainordificofsthe reit of that gringofpropofitions.
) I with if good cannot be obtained by continuing to dil
cud them, conipat able to the evil of interrupting'the
courfe of our Parliamentary . duty, to fufpcnd them
altogether. Since things more urgent and more im-
portant demand our (-ere, let us make good the Par-
liamentary pledge we have given. I shall behold with
much greater latisfedion, as the firft proofs of our
deteemmatien to support his Majefly with our lives
' and fortunes, you, Sir, prefe' nting a ftrong Bill of Sup-
ply. providine refources, nor merely fir every de-
! mend of pi:Joie fervice, but adequate to every reale of
exertion ; a meafure that will ciffpley and call forth
the means of curtaining the flruggie, not merely for
one year, but till we (hail live brought it to a Inc-
! cefsful idue ; lane meafure by which we fhall be en••
abled to complete our army, and to call into aeion
the natiorel ftrength, and give.aeivite to all the mi-
litary fkiil, difcipline, and expelience we poffell.—
This would be far heocr than to be in with telling
his Mejelly to difroils the Istiniiiers, whom it is pro-
bable he tun honours with his confidence. I do not;
know if Gentlemen feel as I do upon this occafion,
or if I have been fuccefsful in making my feelings
underflood. Impieined as I tm with thole feelings,
and unprepared tor the decifive vote which is offered
in the dire& negative, or affirmative, of the propofi-
tions before the Honfe, I move that the other orders
of the day he now read.
Lord HAWKE:AWRY role, evidently under conffi
derable agitation. He laid, that,never before had
he rifen in Pat Seneca with fuch feelings as thole that
now oppreffed him. With every with to do juflice
to the feelings of his Right Hon. Friend, in making
the motion with which he had concluded his fpeech,
he and his colleague fhould be shrinking horn their
duty to thernfelves, if they could accept the corn.
peomile offered, between a dire& cenfure and a to-
tal acquittal. A charge of criminatiOn, founded
upon papers l:dd on the table, had been brought for-
ward. He anted, if there was an inttance in which
propofitions founded on fetch documents, and involv-
ing the condnet of Miniflers, had not been met
either with a dire& negative or affirmative ? A mo-
tion of inquiry might be got rid of a by previous quef-
tion ; but when a Jima charge was made, grounded
on fetes riling out of public documents, a previous
queltion was not the fit way of difpofing of the fub-
re. No man was more ready than' he was to ace
nowledge die prerogative of the Crown to chore its
Minifters : but on the other hand, Minifters were re-
fpoufible to Parliament for the esercife of their func-
tions, and When Parliament law (efficient grounds of
cenfure they ought to Rite it, and then Mtnifters, no
longer able ufefully to ferre the public, ought to re-
tire. Independent of private confiderations, he mull
contend that the credit of the Government ought to
be maintained, partieularly at Inch a crifis as the
precept. But he had no diffictilty in laying, that
thole who w irked to defiroy the Adminifiration, ought
to vote for the Refolutions, becaufe that was their
obvious tendency, while the vote which his Right,
Hon. Friend had propofed, would have the effect to
difcrodit Government, to leave them diferedited, in
' poffedien of funfhions which they could not exercife
with honour to themfelvee nor advantage to the pub-
lic. His Right Honoetathe Vriend (Mr. Pitt) had
declined ping into details. He *Mud, however,
that he had afforded fi•me details, that he had point-
ed out thole parts of the condul of Minillers which
lie could not approve, that they might have an
opportunity of meeting any charge, or explaihing
vehat was deemed exceptionable. It was pnffible that
in a l'eg, an at duotes count of consist& fome points
might he liable to objection. In a country like this,
however, he always considered it to be the fair princl•
ple, both cf fuppert and of oppofition to Minillers, that
thrift who agreed or elifagreed with them Ihnuld do
In on a general fyftem. It was not to be expeCted that
till Mould approve every particular point. They were ,
to overlook minor differences for the fake of giving
effee to the general feheme of meadiree and conduit
which they approved. Theft, he had always under-
flood, were the general principles, and he regretted I
that Mr. l'itt had not made up his mind to all upon
them. He allied whether, after furveying the eon-
dee of Mintltere during a period nriessessweeplerNife
fieulty, he was not now prepared to fay yes, or no,
direely to a motion of centime ? On the 'Ruffian ar-
niameer, he well rernemhered that his Right Hon.
Friend and hintleif had not thought it fufficient to get
rid of a motion of cenfure by a previous queltion, but
in circitmllances when the Government in one point !
had given up, yet the charges were met boldly, and
direeiy negatived. He wilind that, on the prefent cc-
cafion,Minitlersmighteither be acquitted or condemn-
ed. He was fore, h mu what he knew of his Right Hon.
riend,that his motives in hring,irp, feu ward a previous
cpteltionweee pure and upright, hot Mini aces couldnot
acquiefee in the diicredit of a difpended cenfure. If
it were the defire of Mini(ters to retain their places
at all hazards, they might accept the compromile
which had been offered, but he could lay for himfelf
and his enileessuco that they had no detire to remain
in office linger than they could be tifetul to their
cousin v. It :.e felt Itinthif 'educed to that firiation
in which he ceeld not terve it with advantage, he
would car l y the leafs to the feet of his gracious So-
vereigo, and intreat him to appoitet a ft:well-or more
worthy. It St /LAS she) might not remain in office
diferedited. aed itteltro that he mull oppofe the pre-
vious queftien ; for he ent,ld not think of remaining
an hoar in office after having forlited the confidence
of the Houle sod the trod opinion of the country.
Ile mull th ;Os .t tlitra negativeto the pe-
e:oils quetli .is teal: a. to the Reli Latitnis moved.
Mr. C s • • • . the! I.is mind wa, to folly made
•Ip to vote t' c iettilutione, that for the Sri time
en Its lie .• :retch tinder the neciffity of voting
egaioft has Iticad (Mt. Yet:. He thin

took a ikon review of ttse comiutt of %lifters in
jollification of his vote, and laid he • flaould deem it
neceffary to follow up that vote with an Addicts for
the removal of Minifters.
Lord CAStLFRIACH impreffed upon the Houfe
the very unpleafant fituation Mtnitters Would be in,
were fuch a charge as that preferred, fuffered to re-
main hanging over them. It would be impoitbie for
them to ferve their country with the energy requifite,
unlefs their condttet were placed pall all doubt. Mo-
ierate talents and good intentions, fupported by the
confidence of Parliament and the country, were in-
finitely preferable to fuperior talents not 111 fttpported,
and which, in that cafe, could only ethibit a pifture
of feeblenels, which might occafion the Empire to
perifh in their hands.
Mr. ASH ETON (peke againft the Refolutions, and
the Motion for the Order of the Day,
The Mesria cc TH2 ROLLS repeated, 'at confi.
derable length, molt of the arguments which had
been tiled in favour of Milliners. •
Sit Roarsr PEELS diftpproved of many points its,
;the condua of the Negotiation, and noticed the great
inferiority in the preterit Rate of our equipments,l
when compared with that which Minifters had found'
co their coming into power.
The SSCRITAItr at Walt called fur a decire vote,l
on the fame grounds with his colleagues Ie Paid
that the militia, and a certain portion of the army
had been dilhanded on peace; but be laid that the
military force of ibis country was never in a Setters,
Rate than it was at prefent. He defended the conduit;
of the Admiralty. He !hewed that we had a naval'
force in every quarter fupetior to the enemy; and in
Europe fnperior to that of the French by a much
greater proportion than had ever happened on the'
breaking out of any war. • •
Mr. J. C. &lumen dirapprored.of the conduit
of Minitlers in the negociation.
Colonel Eyre, Mt. G. Vanfittart, Lord Dunlo,
Mr. Leigh, Mr. Shaw Lefevre, were againft the Pro-
poftticins.
The Houle then divided—For the Order of the
Day s6—Againfl it 333.
The Houfe then 'returned ; Mr. Pitt and feveral of
his friends imthediately went out: and afterwards the
queftion was put on the original motion.,
Mr. For obferved, that he had delivered his fend.
mein' on a former occafion, when the queftion ap-
peared' to him proper to be decided on. After the
.decißon of the Houfe on that day, he &told feel it
his duty to withhold his vote upon the queftion of the
prelims Refolution.
Mr. Fos and Cereal of his friends withdrew. The
quettion was then put on the original motion
Mr. Post, Mr. Sheridan, 37 Mr. Addington, Lord
Trlawkeibury, Mr. Windham, and the Grenvilles were
among the number who divided agaititt Mr. Pitt's
motion. At half pall four o'clock theHoufe adjoilesed.