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with the toree the entintii llitd in the Yin if 9,
and 1701, when the threat Orktrafinn, and the sp.
prehenfina of it, wete blith Pt as great and as
lent as at the prefent Moment, And at a tithe too
when this country was engaged in it war with France
and Holland, and the greater part of this Northern
Powers againft us; all this confideied, together with
Its being the fir ft year of a war, he was proud to think
that the country never before was in fo mite a Rate
of defence nr offence. It would occur, however, to
all who would take the pains to idle& upon i•. that if
a peace was ever fo (hart, it would be impoffible to
at things in thefame complete and effedive order and
array that they might neceffarily be found after Come
continuation of a warfare. But (hart as the time has
been, he was proud to aver it, withhut meaning any
thing difrefpeftful to former men or former meafures,
the realm never prefented fo formidable an atti-
tude in all parts sif the globe to an .enemy as it
sloes at this pi efent is:taint. He apologifed for has.
log adverted to the comparifoa,but he was compelled
•to advert to the relative Rate of the country, which
.Ite had jell done, in confequence of the charges and
-meet:Cations made by the Right. Hon. Gentleman
. }rho badlpoken la 1, and who himfelf had bean an
re. hfisifter
.in tne preparations which the country
prefentol at the period he ]alt before mentioned.
ME valid inotoberefore, fit Ment and hear thole
-steteintinnto withnut noticing them, without replying
1111 them, and without making the comparifons he
did, as well in reply to what the Right Hmourable
Omietnan then urged, as in anfwer to what he
bad a like way aferted upon former occaftons.—
•enneerning: the circular letters fent to the Lords
aalmuctuditrof the leveret counties, and upon which
fn mttc Reefs had been laid by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, and the general orders attached to each,
be weld take upon him to declare, that they wete nos
fent till after the molt Mature and deliherate relleSion;
and there was nothing in either that haid not been pr.:.
nrioufiy fanSioned by the Legillature He was alAs
convinced they would have the moil beneficial ten.
dency, and they were fuch as naturally arofe out of
the mealure of defence itfelf. The choice of the
• Officers was certainly given to the refpeftive corps,
•Ilut the final approbation of them relied with the
,Lord Lieutenant. and eventually with his Mikity ;
fo that the anxiety and alarm which die Right Hon.
Gentleman prnfelfed on that head, he trulled, were
both molt effedually done away. But the Right
lion. Gentleman objelled to the meafure as being of
a compulf.ry tendency. Ha certainly lhould have
-thought him the 1411 man in the world who would
have ventured to have fUund fault with it for a reafon
like that ; he who, but a few days ago. when the Cub.
jet dike Army of Referee WAS in agitation in that
Iloufe, Rated as his utmoll and NMI unfelt objeftion
to it, that it was am comp:di:try. Now the inconfif
. tency could be reconciled either to the feelings or to
the underflanding of that Gentleman, he profeffed
himfeif at a loft to difcover: as to compullory :ma-
tures, he was not reluctant in aferting. that where
defence was the objeft, be believed them to be OR
and conllitutional. and he mull tell the Honfe. and
tell the world. that defence was an argument and a
groondlor the very Ilrongeft meafures. It could not
Ise faid that it prevented volunteering even for the
line; on the contrary, it rather encourages
• searing, for where.that prevails the other es prevent-
ed ; and perfuaded he was that nothing could be de
ailed fo well calculated to 'llford advantage to the
people as this, and he relied upon it as fuch ; foi
If ever there were a meafure calculated to give en-
couragement to volunteering, this pofitively does;
and he contended that it was Infinitely more prudent
and p' litical to purfue meafures one by one. than
to compicts a bundle of plans altogether, and ltt
them take iheir chance feparately or aggregately as
they might happen. With refpea to the view of fo•
reign invafion, and of its beir.g ultimately fuccefsful.
nltimately he could never bring himfelf to think it
could be; but this he thought, that whatever might be
the ref sit of firfi events, there was a fpirit in the country
%vie': would triumph at j a fpirit that left it not
a quettinn about London, or twenty London:, but a
(pit it that,whilft there was an acre left Fur Engliihmen
or contend fnr, they would fight for it to the tall.—
To form fume idea of, and a jun eflimate concerning'
the fincerity with which the FrenthConful would treat
this maxim, it would be but rcafonable to rake on
ks greatnefs and its freedden. In the proportion as
both woe in elevation. jail in that degree would be its
dept Orion, of fubmit ted to theh a ught y tyrant who dares
to threaten our thorn, and in that proportion this
country would Puffer more than thole who. acco (turned
to bear their fetters with their poverty, are in the
habit uf enduring; fur we lh.wld be the very wort} of
Raves—the Raves of a foreign power, which. fingle-
handed. we have eiwnbwed and ermquereJ, and added
to our well earned laurels the glory which the annals
record throughout ages, as monuments of our seer.
tailing fame. On this occafton, he was glad to ob•
terve that general and unequivocal fpirit ofunanimity
whichprevailed,not only in that Houfe.thn through•
out the Country. He was the more rejoiced at it.
becaufe it convinced the world of the determined
refolution that prevailed, with every defcriptien of
people in it, to defend it to the lan. His Lordiltip
admitred the pnpriety of letting the people know that
bons an invading enemy danger was to be appre-
hended, and, as far as that went. he would not be
one of thole who would randy blame the Right Hon.
Gentleman for expreffing his appyehenlions; but then
he thought theft alarms might be carried ton great a
length, and exaggeration di danger do More barn) than
good. It was prudent topeepare against Jubilee, but
it would be folly if not madriefs to enhance it. Me
would nefpali no longer on the gond fenfe or patience
of the Houle; they mull fee, in common, with Mini
tiers, the magnitude of our caufe, and the gluey of
meeting it wish valour and faced's; the tell re-
mained with themfelves.
Mr. WINDNASI, in explanation, laid. he did not
ohjeet to the plan, bin as far as it operated to damp
the fpirit of volunteering. It operated like the poor's
rates, compelling clia• it y by the rigour of taxation.
Sir FRANCIS Buttoner (aid, that if Misers were
s-ally in earned, and wilhed on this acclaim mem:-
ci:tate the hearts and willies of the people, they thrmeld
begin by repealing all the oppreffiet Aar vif7their
predecerfor s. In that cafe he wnultl kolbret:forcit
that they would twit fail of their *a, • ,
Mr. Pi Y Sir, I have paid emit auentinst mine
principle and detail of the meafureptrigetteiller the
R-Tht Hon. Secretary at War . and Co far as I under.
Amid the rotealwre, t twiny appeobatione Waite*

Se as I bit* rMzibhe tn dirt& my thong/iit tln the
ftibjed. and itneonneiled as I Rend With I. Majelly's
prifint Government, I conceive it to be the fort of
mealtire brit of all calculated to place the Country
upoh that (doting Upon which it ought, and we all
with itfhoulci flanda ground of pert-ea fecttrity.—

I am little difpofed at this moment to enter much into
difeuftlon upon the fubjed of danger, becanfe
whatever may have hitherto been confidered dange-
rous in our Situation, moll vanilh before a meafure
of this fort, which, by calling forth all the vigour, the
fpii it, and energies of the Country, affords every,
ground of moral hope for peeled fecurity to my coun-
try ; for there is no calculation of danger which can
be pointed to me. to which I do not think the pro-
pofed meafure fully adequate. In adopting this pro-
jefi. Sir, we are reforting to no new meafure, but to
one which will be found in the very rudiments of the
Itritith Conftitution ; for among the firft principles
of th tt Conflitntion, it will be found to be the prero-
gative of the Crown to call upon all its fuhjedts to
arm, and come forward for the defence of the realm,
againft the invafion of any foreign enemy, and to re-
fort to compulfinn, if compullian be necelTary ; and,
therefore, I cannot hefirate to fay, that the meafure
now propofed is perfectly conftitutional, as confidered
towards the emergency we have now in contempla-
tion. Looking, Sir, to the extent of that emergency,
it is not my with to lay any thing which might be
thought to have the flightelt tendency to entbar-
rats or delay the means of our defence : But,
Sir, in looking to thole means, the country Should
not be taught to look with a Falk keurity to
any particular branch of the means for that
defence. We are not, Sir, great and powerful as
our navy is, to reft entirely for our fafety upon naval
defence only. Neither are we to place our fecurity
in the difciphne and proweis of our regular army •
nor yet are we to depend merely upon the whole naafi
of the people, but upon a conjundion of the whole of
thof.: forces. Not only does it require the whole ex-
tent of our naval defence, and every exertion of our
regular army and militia, but a proper arrangement
of armed population of the country, county be.
hind county, and the competent defence of all your
naval arfenals and other important pone. If you have
the (cute of the people once determined, and that:
they really think themfelves in danger, it is no longer
wife to exaggerate that danger. Bnt of all the modes
by which the country tould be moll expelled to ruin,
that of a fatal fecurity would be molt certain. Con-,
vinced I am that my Right Hon. Friend on the other
fide of the Houfe (Mr. Windham), in whatever he has
Laid that wore the air of defpondeney and alarm, had
no other view than to route and animate the country
to a fettle of its danger, I am not one of thofe who
would with to lull it into a fatal Security, but on the
contrary, to turn the eves of the people to a view of
the perils that furround them ; and when once they
have contemplated thofe perils in their extent, I wiU
not—l cannot think fo meanly of the people of Eng-
land, as to fuppofe them &Afire in fortitude and
courage to meet, and to furmount them. Their fir
corky mull in this cafe depend upon their own vi.
gour and exertion, gnited by the wifdom of Parlia-
ment and the firmnefs of his Majefly's Government ;
and I mutt not fuppok, that in whatever my Right
Hon. Friend has lard of the dangers of the country,
he had any other view than to route the people to a
feure of the danger, knowing, as he milk that the
ramie of England, once routed, the enemy may
bring as sonny hundreds of thoulands as he can
*gulf them, and fill his armies =of be but as a
detachment againft this nation in arms. If I could
fuppok any wa it of exertion on the part niche people
of England frtherso, I am yet little difpofed to 'hook
it pr(teeded from any want of the true ardour of Ent
Ehnen, when once animated by a fenfe of thole
country's danger ; but i believe that up to the pow'
fent moment, that ardour never has been properly
roofed. Ido therefore hail the project of this day,
which will not fail to ronfe the ardour of the nation
from one end of there countries to the other, whidip
in my mind, ought to have been long &cc besigh
forward. Ido not believe there is any Englibeemils
the community who will not approve of the samihree'
who will not feel himfelf thereby called on. Oh eh
voice of bit country, to arm for her defence; mei
who can find ne more but in difgraee. Ndw, Sle,
teeing this meafure brought forward, before I can lie
induced to find fault with the proceeding, it mull h
proved to me, that it is not called for by the fora*
dable preparations made by the enemy. I mutely
cannot admit that calling on a regular form, greater
than any we ever polkaed in ant former flare of
peace, or even .of war in modern times, is adequate
to the purpore : becaufe I do not think out regular
army competent to warrant our fok reliance for fe- '
comity *pion the power of France at the petiole'
crifis; not becaufe that her Strength is, more formi.l
dable now than it has been for a confiderable time;
pall, but becaufe we mud now rely entirely upon our
own Strength, and act place any reliance upon the
Powers of the Continent. Nor is the fopinenefs of fo-
reign Powers diftrent nowfroat what it was previous
to the declaration of war: nor has it been hewn that
any caufe for this preparation exiftsnow that has not
loAg *lifted. I cannot fee a neon why the meafure
was not long finee adopted; or why the moll elated
means of our defence Should be defined to the la
moment. Now, howevir, that it is come forward. I
waft there win be no father delay in carrying it into
elk& ; fo that if inverted be delayed for a few weeks,
we may be prepared to meet it in a forward (Lite of
&tiptoe; and if it be more fvddenly attempt& that
we may not be wholly unprepared for the onfet.—
I trek Sir, the Bill will be brought forward with
one delay; and, for the prefent 1 fay nothing
more on its principles, as there will be opportuni-
ties fulßeient for farther obfervations in the fob&
fluent Stages of the Bill. I troll the Bill will not be
fuffered fually to pars without empowering thel 4
Lieutenants of counties to call the men m their
trills overlie, and drill and difeipline them he's
f umight ft xellively: but in the vicroity of
homes, fo as to enable duos to attends dots
every Jar. I have heard al prepehf. that *B_4
tame Should not exceed. in filch attendance. the
; bat I Seed not think fix tiles OM OWN fir
II hardy Eng** ant vs tome and return Prow kb.
IsiVaJs I befde nandie,piese in MCI
Wads-ring that dislikable at frach a MIA
to feek a cricket moo& lel b
tki tinindatins of the mooley wfir
to its extent, as to reader*,
ber at ints'air dein •

'Mk pep. k; I Ihould think rlitglikeni Coldiete
from slim regular or Militia regiments in the neigh-
bouring dittri3s, might be allowed furloughs to a cer-
tain dritance, for the purpofe of difciplining thole
men ; and they would, upon meal, on any emergen-
cy, join their regiments swish the more cbearfulnefs,
when they could bring back with them too recruits
of their own training. There is. however, one point
that (hikes me as material. Th nigh there can be 1
no doubt of the conilitutional privilege of the Crown
to compel the fcrvice of every fubjett for the defence
of the realm againtt invasion, yet I am for trying in
the fir(; intlance voluntary fervice ;tor convinced I
am, that fo firm as the fenfe of Parliament upon the
necetllty of this meafure fhall go forth to the coon-
;17, you will be able to obtain fuch a force by vo-
luntary offers of ferric:, under the condition of the
Bill, as fhall preclude the necellity of compulfory
meafures ; and I need not add, how mach preferable
for every reafnn voluntary fervices would be, to thole
obtained by compul(ion. However, Ibould this expe-
riment even fail, the bill may contain the means of
retorting to the compulfory alternative, if found ne-
cetfary. The time of the reparation of the Members
'of this Houk is now, I troll, not very dillant • and
their return to their provincial refidences will ena-
ble them to animate by their example, encourage-
ment, end influence, their tenantry, and the popula-
tion of their dißritts. That patriotic ardour for
the Defence of the Country, which Ihould originate'
with the higher orders, will not fail to dirufe itkl:'
through the fubordinate ranks of the community. I I
am, therefore, anxious the meafure &mild pats in
to adoption with the leall poifsble delay ; and we
fhall not do our duty unlefs we infert in the Ad a
[claufe, appointing a day up ro which volunteer fir-
vices (ball be accepted; and after which, thok who
(brink from voluntary fervice !hall be liable to
compultion. I beg to revert to what I have already
fait!, that in calling for the fcrvice of the fubjett
to defend the realm, the Crown refire*. to no new
principle, but one as as the Conflitation; and un-
left we are thus prepared to meet the attacks of the
enemy, there is no fafetv for the country to rely on.
There can be no injury from this arrangerrent to the
mats of the people ; for the half day they arc abfent
from work to attend their drills, they are compenfated
'by the pay they will receive; and they can only be
called to aZt ual fervice in cafe of attual invafion, or the
approach of an enemy toour coatis. Ifl were to fuppofe
.theNobilit y and Gentry of England, who wino are the
'diration and command of this force, felt any difin-
olination on their parts to devote their time and at-
tention thus to the public ferric*. I fhould feel that I
was libelling their charatters. But when I feel that
no left is at Rake than the very exilleace of this coun-
try. I am fore there is not an heart that palpitates in
a Britifh bofom that will not route for the common
caufe. and cordially join for the defence of the gan-
try. Name as I before raid. the day up to which vo-
lunteers Mail be accepted, and you will have after-
wards the meals of compulfum (hould it be marry.
Let the Lords Lieutenants in the fevers' counties be
inflruited to fend their deputies from Pahl* to Pails.
and Door to Door. in their refpottive Counted!,
Di[trias, and Hundreds, and propok to the pen*.
voluntary fervice, and I am. much mißakea if OK
would not find your Legifiative provirsone makeedi
feperfluous by the refult. Bet if any part or corner
of your country be defeetive, your AA will c-atain
powers to remedy the deke. When ibis Bill (halt
have pared into a law: it will be the duty of the
Executive to give it aka ; and in fo doing. it
will prove to the people its seal to take ROOM PM
IX them than they could take of thankless. There
is onevoint more whish has been touched on istdeir
difeuflion, and to which I wills to make ND, alleles;
it is. what has been raid of the danger of arming the
mats of the people. That there was a time, Sin when
it would have been dangerous to entrea arms with a
great portion of the people of this country, I have
bong reasons to know, beenufe it mat be in the re.
colleCtion °revery man that incendiaries were at work
&monied them; and to fuecefsful in the promulgatioe
of tevulutionary dotfrines, as to have difpofed thaw
to exert any means, however defperate, which they
thought could be Cut:tilde). in fubvertiair the Co.
vernment and Cooftitution. But that time is now pall;
and. I troll, theta who have been fo geofsly deluded
have feat their error. At leaß lam Convinced, that if
any fuels there Rill remain,the portion is fo fmall, that
if armed and difperfed in the fame ranks with their
loyal fellow-fubjeßs„ they would be converted by their
example; and, like them, rejoice in the bkifings of
oar happy conititotions like them glory to live under
its aufpacvs, or die in its defense." Mr. Kt con.
chided, by expreffing his confidence in the patriotiftn.
loyalty, and courage of the of England, and
his firm cooviaioa that. united for COllllllOll defence,
they molt be invincible. He cheerfully voted for
the 311.
Lord Casts. tit Anll•••••" I respell the atteetion of
the Houk to a few obfervations, whisk it is my with
and defire to fubmit to their confideration. and it ball
be my endeavour to detain them as (beret s time as
the nature of the fobjeit will allow. I troll the Mesh
will feel the court the debate has taken s and. al-
though the meafure sow propofed by my. Right Hon.
Friend does net meet the approbate= of Me Right
Hon. Gentians° over the way (Ma Medians) Yet I
think I may Afar leave it to the Hoofs and to the
Country. oar the hafiuthrwity of the judgment mud
fair opinion ofthe ht Hon. Gentlemen =dm the
gallery (Mr. Pitt) has given it his esmsalified
probatioo, though be has bees pleated to lay that
hethinks the mealere has not been hem& forward
with that celerity with which it slight here
ended in. I beg the Haste eo resale& Ash=
hit Min Hers are arraigned by Hamsrells
Gentlemen is their places, for uof blqinf goodly
sited in fleck s manner as to yi'vefiMeheams te fumy
individual Wierraber, who may have weal= we deF
cant on the enewsrm they have adeptml. that it less
comes extremely eililesit a gives *tile =twee en
fistircheups lat fads smeefun seamy hel:
folly • tiS 4)) as he
to draw a Pale comdslies. hiinSellre Maim
have dose imife i 4 is 14 aldnisa 4. 11"1"111.
hie Masher, they /ammo I ate
their duty I or. if lye stesfeeses way Um. Mess.
ha &gad think tbels lesdegimel• tiet of rage
forming La", dsetiiss amsmmd en Ileslesiewte Ilea
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Mae. oft:barge ai bad lately been fh of en r•fo•ted
to.l, was imp•itfible to snfw!r, and tbey crud „I be pr •
duaive 4110 good, whit% in the moil trying mut in-
loortant c•iti, this coun:ry Irsk errr place.' in, Vier
ttndeti ve.y much to arnliarrals Minister..; to tie tilt
their hand!, and to cripple every eflurt they a.temp.
ted to make for the public welfare and interest of 114
State. I affure the Houk, !do not fay thi, from any
perfonal feelings on the fubjci". I with the whole
condo& of his Majelly't. lemma to be examined, in
order that meafures which are neceif ry &mid be
carried into effeti without dcl iy, for till that point is
fettled, I fear that much inonnvenienee, if not mil:

chief, may enfue, to the forwarding and pr non,. ing
the molt Important interells of the country. IS lac I
enter upon the meafure now under the eonfuterAtion

of the konfe, I mull beg leave to fay, that I caroms
help differing with my Right Hors. Ft tend under the
gallery (Mr. Pitt) thlt it would hair! been politic to
take up the matter otherwile than has been done
and in regular fuceeffion, one after another ; and I
AM Iltengthened in this opinion, -when I recollttl, that
at the time the meafure of the Army of Referve was
under the confideration of this Houle. my Right

Hon. Friend then laid, that he highly approved the
meafure, but Ihould not have done Co if he did not

expeet that it would be immediately followed up by
another meafure dill more ettenfive and efficacious ;
and if Miniiiers fuffered Parliament to fepsitats with-
out adopting fome fuch meafure, it was his opinion
they would be greatly wanting in their duty. lam
of opinion, that this meafure could by no means have
preceded thole which have been already adopted by
Government, without being produaive of the greatell
inconveniencies. If you had required Lieutenants of
the feveral Ccunties to make out iliac ettrolments,

when you gave them lilts fur the Army of Reterve,
they would not hive had time to put what has fo
often this evening been called si the machinery" of
the bufinefs in motion and, Sir, it is my opinion,
that teat if this meafure had been perfedly ready in
the very fit ft moment after his Majelly's mefage,
yet, in point of policy, it ought to have been kept
back and refereed till the prefent moment. I be the
Hnufe to recoiled, that though his Majeßy's
gets have only now brooght forward the prefent
meafere, that they have long been in poffeffion of all •
the voluntary ferries' that have been offered, and that
they have only held back front the immediate accep.
tance of thofe patriotic offers, from a fear of
crippling and obliroding the rjifing of the Atm?.
of Referee. Far be it from me to fey any thing that i
may is the Dighteß degree fent to undervalue the i
voluntary fervices of thofe who wills to Rep forward 1
in defence of their country; yet, fitaated as there
corps are. and ever have been from the moment of 1
thew ken railed, they are certainly inferior in point 1
of real and effential ferrite to the army of refine
which therefore, I contend, ought on every account.
to have preceded the force which is meant to be
ed by the prefent meafure. With repel to the vas
lowest force, no man can have a higher opinion theft
•I have of its efficient Rreagth in both conntrin. I
(Oath more particnlirly of that part.of the United •
Empire to which I am particularly lunched. I mean
Ireland; in which, from the bell information that I
can collo& there are not kr' than fitigiccimen of this
defeription ; and I will venture art fay, that there can•
ant be produced a tweediest** force. Marts I mean,
Of.the regatta, army. than the yeomanry farce in the
pain* of Ulan. I fpeak on this head particularly,
Gay fo far as relates to Ireland; but I enderßand.
that in Scotland alto, the forces of that defcription
are both numerous and greatly to be depended upon.
The great objet of this madam is, to fecure the be-
nefit of there which have been antecedently adopted.
Parliament has already givenvernment a power of
ruiSng the greateß poMs di gofable force; and efpo.
tinny of that of volunteers. But what is the ground
of policy on which this meafare refl. ? Volunteer
-forces have been found extremely elpenfive ; and in
the prefent lunation of the country, it is very need:
fary, and will be highly beneficial to its intereils, to
have an aid that wit not co* Co much. Ono great
advantage attendant on the prefent meafure is, that
it introduces nothing new into the military fyllem of
the country. The prerogative of the Crown on this
head is usiverfally known and undeniable; but at the
fame time, it is not, as it at prefent Rands, cffedual.
Coercion, in certain cafes of /extreme dangers may be
necelfary ; and if coercion cart be wife. it moll be
by making thofe moan's to which it -is applied.
effedual. How is this •to be done in the pre-
fent cafe t It cannot be by indidmant tift.for that
mode of proceeding would beinfinitoly too Raw and
tedious to anfwer any of the tads pollard to be ob.
tamed by it towards carrying into died the prelim
meafure. • Unlefs, therefore, a fpecial power of pre.
'ions inernaion and arrangement Amid be given to
the Crown, with a finannary mode of partial meet fiat.
obi* to the enigma of the cafe, it will be impoffible
thatthe power of the Oreeptrue mold be of any anti:
in the point indium. I beg doe Moak to look for-
ward to the peadical Milky of the meafetre, and not
ens away with the Idea that k ie m min tha mats of
the people. foe the foie puma& of making it an army
to at is gee concerted body. fimilar to that of the
Rapier Array or the Amy of Referee. It was
merely Wooded to usable Oweennsent to cower Tech
poll of the country ItS lboadd head is prricalar seed
el 41114ances by collies en dude_whole itentiont
toed der sear!il men pshsts
tteeeffary toof aumet. toi which
Mir eadri:ffisbibaleir There is another idea elk::
white I Scold b perry alt/ go abroad into the
sonatryi which Fes that ovary individual who is en.
ligEng is en, be orendi k to no filch this& AU the
morons rehires is, inilreakm. -"Pk whole
awe !elan cline/OW= ; to be anewd on caber.
, in orMr to call 4111 'enfants ineememaiently
to dedpid Ghee pose nod team&
is sued of 3and the gene stiller Is to be ex.
reed nib that it fortedles the Crown with
additiowlawanootwohing unto es • doe tents of their
garb Then is etas point, Sir, on which I beg More
to whin fisgiewbfwvonons mill that ice, with raved
to the 'Mins of Oh cers. I. believe this has been,
is ferns masters. tnifeadeviood by the Right HO%
Glestionan over the way (Mr. Win Gam) diec rot
ountaiendation by the eetaptsiee eight °Mewl-they
woad with to chooki is wanly epos the Case Ras.
its as that contained lathe oft for the Defence Oldie
agile& which wo peftfed delving the lass wet.
deote officers de chafes, mutt have the al of
the Ctows, and therefore are by so sear=ated
to basis' vitg new (yam into due ferric% whit

ma!' endanger Its fubordination. I beg pardon for
b swum detained the Hook fo long ; but I thought it
n.tce airy to thew my own impreffioias, and the feelings
I have upon this fubiea. hey certainly differ very
widely from thole of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Windham), and though I am convinced, that so
Hon. Member can have a ftronger attachment than

that Right Honourable Gentleman, to every thing
which affeas the honour, welfare, and interefis of his
country, yet there Teems on this fulled to he no
other feeling in his mind, than an unqualified attach•
mint to regular troops, which makes him behold all
others with a jaundiced eye. lam convinced, how-
ever, that this mode would not be Co effentially fer-
vice;ble to the intereas of the country; and for this
reafon, I have been a firenuous advocate for railing
the Army of Referve, and an equally fo for the adop-
tion of the prefect meafure. as that which will be
ma likely to ferve moll effentielly the fafety of the
kingdom.
Ddr. Fos-" Sir. I Stall not trouble the Houk at
any great length ; more efpecially as the prefent mea-
fure will have my hearty concurrence. This is the
firll time that I have made my appearance in the'
Houle for Come weeks putt ; and I am by no means
alhanted to Rate my rcafuns for having fo long ab-
Canted myfelf. Having already affigned my reafons
for not approving of the prelent war, I did not with
to oppofe thole meafures which mull of courfe be ne-
ceifary for carrying it on with effea. Every one.
knows the obloquy that was attached to meafttres of
that nature ; and I was defirous of avoiding the im-,
putation of intending to obtirua the meafures of
Government, or to embarrafs his Majefty's blinifters.
This is the firli meafure which I could, confifiently
with my own opinion, come down to fupport, being
1,
a meafure for the defence of the Country. I could
not have voted for the tales, nor for many of thc,l
other 'mecum; which have been already adopted;
but, Sir, I came to vote for this meafure, on the
ground that it was asneafore direaly oppotite to that
which the Noble Lard lays it is. The Noble Lord
fayithat the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.Windhim)
looks with a jaundiced eye on every other than a re-
gular force.. I think quite the reverie.. The Hon.
Gentleman Pays. there are two kinds of force (and I
• agree with him) which ought to be kept up, and par-
titularly attended to, in a Country which is invaded.
We ought to have a regular and difciplined army I
that is, as great as army, and as well difciplined, as
.the nature of circumnances will allow ; but I never
underltood him to fay, indeed I am Cure he could not
by it, becaufe he has Iludied the fubjea too minutely
to fay fuperior in numbers; I hope we flail have an
army fuperior, that in safe of an invafion, be would
troll eatirely to the efforts of a regular army. I hope
that we (hall have an army in difetpline, and alto to-1
perior in officers ; but are we then Pure of viaory ?
Has any man read. in the moll extenfive refearches
into Lino:try, ancient and modern, that in war there I

was any certainty . I believe. at this tine of day,
there are few men who know any thing of the nature
of inva6on of one Country by another, who Qand in
need of fo high an authority as that of Julius Cofer
to inform them that in fur* eafei we mull rely on
events; and as ruche it is itnporfihle to fuppore that
the Right Hon. Gentleman could rely for fecurity on
the regular army only. That, like the naval depart-
ment, is liable to many vicirfit tides and aterefore, I
am fore, the Right Hon. Gentleman. as well as
niyfelf, would be very lorry that we bad not other
refources to recur to in cafe of any onforefeen ac-
cident happening to thofe modes of defence. There
is another force which is lets liable to cbjedion,
and which, however calamitous events may turn
out, we may look up to with more hope and fii-
tisfaaion. When 1 fay this, I am peculiarly lock-,
ing to, not the regular army, but the mall of the
Country ; zling. not in tingle regiments, but as a
great mars of armed citizens, fighting for the pre-
fervatinn of their country, their familigs, and every
thing that is dear to them in _life. La it pot
be fuppofed, Sir, that I have no the greater re.
(pc& for, or that I would fay any thing that
could convey the (mallet intimation againil the ra-
lue and importance of the Regular Army—l would
with to have'as great and as good a regular army as
can poGibly be ebtaineel. As to the motier of railing
it, I fhould certainly resift the neceffity of railing a
Regular Army by compulfive means : but if it was I
not to be got without, I wilklay, you mull have it ;
and in the hour of neceirgy, I ihnold not fcruple to
ure ruch means. The qnefiion in Pugh cafe is not
what it ought to be but we will fuppofe that cir-
cus:titmices are to licuated, that all meafueas molt be
reforted to whichahtnecerfity ofthe cafe could require.
The Regular Army. therefore, is out of the queflion
in this cleft. There is another fpecies of force, and
that is the Militia. I will not go into a minute detail
of its eonftrudioa or cleft ; but I have my doubts
whether it is not an anomalous fort of form, par-
taking more of the Regular Army than it ought to
do, for the purports of mere defence. The Militia
and Army of Referve, therefore, I view in the fame
light as the Regular Army; and I cannot but believe
on that serousg. that this meafure is the bell calcu-

laced for the defence of the kingdom. and to defeat
the daring iditurts of au invading enemy. He may
have a great relc.lar army, cornpofed of the braveft
and WI difciplined foldiers; he may have Officers of
the &ft talents in their profel ion, to divert theft fol-
diets. and toskad them on to virftory ; but he cannot
have an arnied mars of a country, who are hound
by every feeling and by every tie to defend that coun-
try to the butt drop of their blood, before they will
give way to him and his invading forces. I am lorry
to fay, Sir, this Bill is not framed in the way I could
have wiflied. I would have its operations to be vu.
luntary, and not comptilfnry. The Noble Lord has
mentioned volunteers; and that where in any diftrifts
volunteers came forward in any particular number.
fuck diatiels &fluid be relieved from the operation of
this Bill. I do not like the word ' relieved.' I would
not have this creature thought a burthen by any one.
is certainly my %%arnica with, that whatever ought
to be done, may be done; but I would rather have
the means vclusitary. He who intim& hirnfelf, and
goes out at his hiajelly's call, when the enemy lands,
does no more than he is obliged to do by law. He
snay be compelled to get; a•tel there is' nb merit in
hiltless of fuck A kind ; on 14. e corrrary. I would
with it to be a vt luntary futee, and that you fhould
beround from houfe to bottle, to know who wool)
willing to go and fern their country in the hour of
danger ; and that thofe who agreed to go, Gouldbinithendelses ft+ to dos and &mild be immediately I

called forth, to be inftrueted as often as the cireturt-
Rances of the cafe will allow. lam convinced. Sir,
from that good fenfe which the people of this coun-
try polfefs, added to their love of their country.
and the connetlions they..have in it, that there would
not be five refilfals in five hundred. You would then
get the objea of this Bill, but in a way nuich more
popular and more extenfrvely beneficial to the coun-
try. It has been laid, I will not compel one man
to go into the army, in order that he may be inftrua-
ed ; ' but this Bill lays I will compel a whole peo-
ple to be inftruited." icon eafily believe a man may
be compelled to'go into the army or the navy, and.
may thereby be. made a good foldier or fa for L but,j
can never believe, that a whole people can be comp&
led to enter into any mode of 'nitration by which
they may be enabled to defend their country,
if Inch cc,mpollion be altogether againa their fenti-
magus and inclinations. I will put the cafe of an in.
vader coming into this country ;—I will not name
any particular invader, but fuppofe he may be fuc-
cefsful, becaufe the people wifhed him fuccefs; where-
as, if the people were in a great mars adverfe to his
coming into the country, and date mined to oppofe
him, it would be impoffible that he could ever make
any prozrefs which could, or ought to be, alarming
to the Government or the country. I own, Sir, that,
at the prefent moment, I approve the fyflem of this
Bill, by which you are to get a large force; but in
doing that, my opinion is, that you ought not to wait
for too much inflruaion. In loch a cafe, a great deal
of ;Oration is not necefrary. Perhaps ntay he teld,"
theft are not foldiers. Be it to; lam not attempting to
give you foldiers, but armed citizens; men, whole bo-
toms glow with the lovt of their country, and their cos-
nedions ;and who, in defence of theft, would be as
ready and willing to fight an enethy as the belt dif-
ciplined foldiers in the world. I cannot bring myfelf to
agree with the Centiments of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man on the fame Bench with me, relative to the exifting
danger of an invafion. I mention this with confider.
able deference, for I confider him as half a Military.
man.—(oa fame notion cfliertrifi being (NO-led either b
Lel. Windham orlon, other perfon, Mr. Fox fail) I declare
Ido : I know the Right Hon. Gentleman has paid par.
titular attention to the army, and read very deeply on
the fubjeft; but Rill I do not temple to fay, that I
think there is far lefs probability in this invafion than
he does, and than many others do. The Right Hon.
Gentleman may fay to me, what figaifies your opi-
nion, you know nothing of matter. Yet, Sir, my
opinions are not formed on my own jildgment alone ;
I have *deiced and confulted with others, who I
thought were capable of fully underftanding the fub-
jea; and it has been on their opinion, as much, or
perhaps more than my own, that I think on that
fubjea in the manner I have already mentioned. I
by no maul confider an invafion as impoffible—that,
I am lure, would be going infinitely too far : but as
to the probability. I mull differ very widely. As to
the obfervations made by the Right Hon. Gentleman
' under the gallery, (Mr. Pitt) as to the cortfequences
lof an invafion, lhould it prove fuccefsful, I can by
bo means fubieribe to them. If I were to know
that I was to be fent to the Weft Indies, and there
fold as a Rave, I fbould not think it worth my
while, when any particular perfon was about to
purchafe me, to enquire whether he was a good
tempered man, or what were the leading features of
his difpofition. So in the cafe oleo invafion, it would
be matter of equal indifference, who was the ruling
Power in France, upder whole direfion the invafion
might take place; nor do I think that it is of any
effential confequence whatever. lam one of thole
who are willing to go to the greatell lengths in the
fuppofition, that the people of this country will de.
tend it to the let extremity. When the Noble Lord
talks of one acre of Englifh ground being only left in
nor poffenlen I certainly kook upon that as a figure
of oratory: but I will admit, that if the enemy gain
portfmotith, Plymouth, Chatham, and even London
atilt, that (oratory quite out of the quellion) the
people of this Country would fight to the utmoß
tiretch to regain thole places, and would never fuller
an invading enemy to continue long in poleffion of
them. The landing of the French mutt certainly be
confidered as a molt mirchievous event, and from
which the greeelt iaconverti:nce could not fail to be
felt. If they get to London, great and eaten-
five would be the mifchief indeed. But there were
three things, which our duty to our Country molt
energetically pointed out to us firlt, by our nasal
force to prevent this mifchief, by impeding their
landing ; fecondly, to flop their progrefs ; and, idly,
to prevent their getting back again. As to the pre.
fent meafme Ido not by any means approve of the
Right Hon:Gentleman's idea of ranging the people
under different dares. Why not make it confili of one
clefs, who would voluntarily bind themfelves to go f
It is a mealtime that would be well worth the trial. I
think the people ought to be called on for that pu-
pae. and in that manner ; and if that is done. I have
no doubt, but the numbers will be more extenfire
than at prefent any opininii can be formed of.—
This Bill is intended to ltrengthen the prerogative.
—ln the name of Heaven, Sir, why has it not been
thought of before ? Miniirs mull have forefeet' the
danger of an invafion from the moment they made
a rupture of the negatiations with France; yet the
prefent meafure has never been mentioned between
the Bth of Mardi and the sBtb of July. This is
fonaewhat late. His Majefly's Servants mutt have
known the danger clan invafion long ago ; they could
not fuppofe the French were arming in Holland in
order to attack Jamaica. or any of our diftant Eat or
Well India poffellions. They mull have been fenfible
that the great danger from any armament of the ene-
my. mull be by a blow aimed againli this country it.
felt; and invafion alonewas what they had to dread and
to cosmteraft. If this is the peculiar weapon by which
to refill invafion, why apply all the other weapons
fir It? In anfwer to all thole obfervetions of the lame
kind which have fallen from the Right Hon. Gentle
man, it has been allied, Why not call for enquiry?'
The anfwer is extremely obvious. The time of thole
inquiries mull depend on minute and particular cir-
eurollances. If the Right Hon. Gentleman on the
fame bench with me (Mr. Windham) had called for
enquiry. the cry would immediately have hem.—
' Inquiry !I I What, you call for inquiry? You,
who think the french pre already at our doors P'—
And every idea of enquiry would be feasted as sm.
learnable, and as interrupting the rneafures of his
Majeßy'a Milliners at foci an awful cries as the pre-
te It might then be silted, what could be the
roods* hir the Right Hook Goldman fit joking
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filch oblirvetioas ? It was estientely obvious ; it was
to find fault with, and reprehend Milliners for the de-
lay which they had been guilty of; and, certainly, if
no other good (tic-mid arife from it, it would at leak
have this effett, that it would put them on their guard
and make them more cautious in future of being
guilty of fuch tardinefa. There is one point, Sir, which
has been mentioned,which I beg leave to obferve upon,
and that is, the danger of arming the people in gene-
ral. lam convinced, that the prefent meafure can-
not be attended with any danger of that kind. Thofe
who thought they had reafon to be difcontented
with the Government of this Country, for many un-
coollitutional ads which it had been guilty of, and
who boldly (poke their fentiments on thole vari-
ous oecalions, as they feverally arofe, now when the
danger of a French invailon threatens them, will be
• united as one man in defence of their Country. To
(hew confidence in the way, is to draw forth zeal. If
you apply to the people for voluntary efforts, I have
not the fmallell doubt, but you will meet with the
molt ertenfive fuccefs ; and you will have a large
army of atmed Citizens, ready and willing to march
whenever commanded, and to whatever place, cheer-
fully to meet and bravely to fight the enemy. But if
the Bill is to operate in a fimilar manner to thofe
paired for railing the Regular Army and the Army
ofiteferve, and as a means of recruiting thofe, I very
much fear Is will not be efficacious."

The CNANCSLLOR of the Excnsoyea.--ir I non
detain the Houfe, Sir, but a few minutes. It gives
me the greateft fatirfnaion to find there has been no
oppofition to the motion of my Right Hon. Friend.
Every Member who has delivered his fentiments on
the fubjeft, has given the meafure his unqualified
approbation and the only difference teems to be as
to the voluntary efforts. My Right Hon. Friend, in
opening his propotition, had fait, that the preroga-
tive of the Crown was undoubted; be was, however,
dafirous, that Parliament &mild interfere fo far as
to make the power of the prerogative efficacious. and
not have to refort to the flow and formal proceedings
of the Law Courts, is which alone a parlament
could be awarded for not obeying the fummons of
the Crown. The Bill provided, however, that if any
Diftria Ibould give voluntary affillance' filth Diariff
Ihould be relieved. I declare Ido not like the word
relieved, any more than the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Fox) but that may be modified in the paffiage of the
bill through thehoufe. Government has beep arraign.
ed. Sir, in two or three intiances, for the milliners with
which they have brought forward the feveral meafures
in defence of the Kingdom I and the Right Hon. Gen-
' tlernan has among( the reft. obferved, that his Ma-
jelly's MelFage was delivered on the Bth 3f March, and
that it is now the tkb of July before the prefent area-
fore is introduced; but Sir, I can appeal to the Houfe
that Micillers have not been tardy in all that time.
When that Mefilage was brought down to the Houfe,
it was pending a very deli.:ate negoeiatioo, during
which, armaments were carrying on in the Ports of
France, not to any very great extent indeed, but large
enough to call forth caution en the part of Minillers.
The Waage produced the immediate calling fordrof
the Militia. After that, in a very Ikon time, the Sup.
plementary Militia was ordered to be embodied; and
diretll) afterwards, the Army of Referee was pro-
vided. Volunteer Corps have alto been known to have
offered. whofe numbers in Great Britain alone,
amounted to upwards of 60,000 men; and now on the
heels of all, the prefent meafure is brought &matt!:
fo that I am confident there is no real ground for
muting Minillers of tardinefs and unary delay.
There is one point, Sir, to which Ilona bag leave to
offer a few obfervations, and that is what has been in-
linuated as to the danger of arming fo great a num•.
ber of the people. I know, Sir, there have been pe.
riods when there were perfons in this Country who
would have overturned its malt excellent Conn it ntion;
but thank GOD, thole times are pared ; and I do not
believe there ever was a minute when the people were
more univerfally fatisfied with their Government. or
more unanimous in their determination to fupport
and defend it; and it is with Tome degree of pride 1
can fay, that the chief carafe of this as the fo much
reprobated Treaty of Peace. There had for fume
time prevailed an opinion. though an unjuft one,
that the War might have been fooner terminated: but
though that was not the cafe, the obtainment of
Peace gave the people time to refle4l; and now,
though it is fo loon renewed, every one is fenfible
of its injuhice on the part of the enemy, and the
whole people are ready to join heart and hand in de-
fence of their King and Country, and to clic, if ne-
ceffisry. rather than become the flares of an invad-
ing and infolent roc. I know. Sir. it was neceffary
for the fecurity of the kingdom to continue for tome
time the fufpenfion of the Habeas Corpus Aft. and
Come others which the neceffity of the times had
produced;—but I know that to the peace we owe
the reftoration of thole valuable bulwarks of the Con-
aitution, and they are not. ansonga the leaft of ill
bkffings. Iha -e the ratisfadion to reflal, that in
adopting this meafure it will be found one that.is fm-
gularly adapted to the genius and Centimes's of the
people, as it makes with them a common eau& ; and
their zeal, entbuftafm and love. of their country are
too well known to doubt for a moment of their moll
aeiveknd Vigorous exertions in defence of their eons-
mon rights and common country. My Right Hon.
Friend propetfes, with permiffion of the Houle, to
bring in the Bill, to have irread a fira and fecond
time, and then to be printed, and a day fixed, for
taking the report into confideration.''
Dr. Lawmen went over the old grounds refpeffi-
irtg•the delay of Minilters.
Sir Jamas Pot:camas did not with to give a fluent
vote on this great queftion. He heartily. approved of
the plan. tie never had hid is a former delete that
the taking of London would decide the fate of the
country, and thienwafareput that out of all poffibdity.
Colonel Ca•o rose faid • few words, explanatory
of the reafon that had induced him to delay his mili-
tary opinion on the ifairs oldie country, till the dif.
claim took place on the Army of Referve Bill.
Mr. Aislauest and Col. Valiusa alfo (poke.
On the acuities Oleg pot. it was unanisnougy
agreed to.
The BSCRITAaT WAR then brought in the Bill,
which was read a fin and fecond time, ordered to
be committed ta-morrow and printed. and the Report
eo be taken into eop6deration on Wedoefikj•
On account of Ile laieettefs of the boor, the-Celan-
celmse of the Eacnagjatt bo#pewed ths dircuirma
dis ladre4=2l4lll till to-marrow, ex-
lig, Stink 0' • htikB beientwilre•

LONDON.

TUESDAY, JULY !9
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Laft night the SICRITAKT at War brought for-
ward his plan for calling forth the population of the
country, in cafe of invafion. It will be read with
much interek and mutt, we think, be generally and
heartily approved of. For oar own parts, we hope,
now that this connitutianal mode of defence is retort.
ed to, it will never be allowed to fall into dilute :
that Adminittration which mall ever attempt to fa
it aide, will deferve the execration of the country.—
By following it up with proper attention in all ks de-
tails, not as a temporary, but asa permanent men-
fare, it may be made eventually the means of laving;
a great pan of the expence of a boding army ; and.
whatever other means may be retorted to at any
dna, by an inveterate enemy, to alarm us, threats
of iuvalion will never more be made ate of—they will
only expote to contempt and derifion *bole who may
have recourfe to them. Invade an snood pm* l—
a Nation of Warriors—polfeffing the energiespeadier
to free men I—the idea is ridiculous.
_ .

By the plan brought forward, all Malta dodo*
out Great Britain, from the age of sy to gg, are im-
mediately to be enrolled, and divided intofour dais.
The firil to comprife all unmarried men from n to
so, and married men of the fame age, having no
children ; the fetond, all from thirty to fifty of
the fame defcription ; the third, married men from
revelltCatl ito thirty, not having more than two
children; the fourth, all ranks and defcriptlons not
enumerated in the preceding claire% to the age of Ss-
There different claffes are to be infirutled in the de of
arms, and his Majasry, on the appearance of in-
valion, is to have the power of ordering them out to
a certain limit, according to their refpedive de-
fcriptions. The forces embodied to be fubjeft to mi.
litary ditcipline, and to terve with any of the esiftiog
corps.—Such are the general outlines of the plots;
—for the laurelling details, as given by the Sleet-
Titer at Was, we TCfar our Reader to the Parlia-
mentary Report. The meafure, though bearing a
firong charafter, gives little or no more power to his
blejurr than the Conilitution has given him, by
calling out the Poi; Comitatur in cafe of danger ; but
inllead of bringing forward an uninformed mail, It
enables the •I‘s o to bring gradually l to the field
troops to a certain degree trained anddifciplined, and
that to an almoll indefinite extent.

A Cabinet Council was held yellerday on the trig
patches received from Psteriburgh, and Mr. Su**.
the Mefrenger. fet off with difpatches for that Coots.
There can be little doubt that they relate to die may
diation offered by Rufsa toterminate the prefent war,
And particularly to the appeal which his MAJESTY had
made on the fubjcA of Hanover.