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a divisidn. The question was then put on the origi-' the kingdom ; so that if the Honourable Baronet's
nal motion of the Earl .of Liverpool, " That shit -prelposttion•were agreed to, the greatest injury would
Order be discharged," on which edivisiOn toot place ; be done to the agriculturalinterests. He therefore
Contents. 51—Not Contents, 12. • •• • etely concurred with the sentiments of the No-
Majority for postponing the Order till to-morrow, 39. .ble
On our re-admission, we found the Marquis of Mr. D. GILBERT wished for an inquiry into the
DOWNSHIRE moving for the production of an Ac- subject, and should therefore support the Motion.
count of all Pensions, Allowances, and Emoluments, Mr. SHIPNELL also supported the Motion.
from Officers, Naval or Military, or derived from Mr. HART DAVIS was against it, on the ground
other sources, held and engaged by certain Princes that the supply of foreign wool was insafficient.
of the Blood Royal since the year 1800, apparently Mr. H. SUMNER could not agree with the infer-
similar to that agreed to last evening, by the other ences of the Noble Lord, as the proceedings before
House of Pirliament. the former Committee had been too summary, and
The Earl of LIVERPOOL wished a notice to be had not given room for discussion. He therefore
given of the motion. hoped the House would proceed to a full examina-
The Bishop of EXETER objected to the want of tion of the subject.
respect in the motion, particularly in not giving the Alderman ATKINS thought, if our wool were per-
title of Boyar Hilkhness mined to be exported, it would have a sei ious and
Lord I;ENYON also urged some objections to the dangerous effect on oar manufactures.
wording of the motion. Sir J. GRAHAM argued against the motion. By
The motion having been carried, it was agreed that referring to the prices of wool at the time of the
it shobld lie on the table till to-morrow, when the American war, it would be found to be now six or
order could be rescinded, and the motion put in a seven times as high, which ought to be satisfactory.
proper form—the Earl of LivutrooL observing, Mr. F. LgW(S thought the Committee ought to
I that the information required would be in the mean be re-appointed, which before had refused to go into
time preparing., a full inquiry. The question was one of thegreatest
DANK ADVANCES. importance to the country.. If there was allowed a
The Earl of LAUDERDALE, pursuant to his nos free and unlimited exportation of corn, it was not fair
tice, brought forvrird his motion on this subject, to impose a restriction upon wool alone. The manu-
which he briefly contended was necessary, frith re- facturers were bound to shew that there was a neces-
spect to the due understanding of the very important sky for preventing exportation ; and he would prove
subject of which it formed a part. He accordingly to the Committee that all the grounds of the Act of
moved, " For an account of the total amount of ad- 1660 were utterly futile and untenable ; though it
vances made by the Bank of England tohis Majesty's had been the basis of the extraordinary system that
Government,, including all sums which may be now had since arisen to check and fetter this extensive
outstanding upon Government Securities." trade. The exportation of wool and woollen yarn
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed; that out of would be a fair object of duty ; and he was sure it
the great variety of information erhich the Noble would produce as much as would enable the House
Lord moved for, -the present was the first on which to abolish the Leather Tax.
he felt it his duty to-offer the least opposition, its he The House then divided. on the motion of Sir W.
was desirous of affording every information -that Bunan..—Ayes 88—Noes 85—Majority 3.
could be given without m inifest impropriety... The ROYAL NUPTIALS.
present motion he principally regarded as objection- As soon as the division was over, the House became
able, as it tended to interfere with the private con-
extremely crowded with Members. During their in-
more of the Bank, with which Gentlemen had no
gress, Mr. WILBERFORCE rose to ask the Noble Lord
to do, or right to call upon them to communicate,
opposite (Castlereagh) whether he intended that the
than they should have with respect to the private
Order for taking the Royal Message into consideration
concerns of any other trading company. He there-
should take precedence of all other business ?
fore must withhold his concurrence. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, it was his intention
Lord HOLLAND was of opinion that, were any
to move the Order of the Day for going into a Com-
private Company placed in the same relative skim-
mittee on the subject alluded to with the view of post-
uon to the Government as the Bank certainly was,
porting it till to-morrow--(loud cries of hear, hear.)—
there would' be no impropriety in calling for such a
His Lordship accordingly moved the Order of the
disclosure. Day for the House going into a Committee of the
The Earls of LIVERPOOL and LAUDERDALE respec-
whole House on the Prince Regent's Message, for the
tively spoke in explanation ; after which, the above
purpose of PttP3ni4
proposal was negatived; and another, proposed by
r.. BRO GHAL said, when he took the liberty
the latter Peer, for printing the returns of the Country last night to move as an amendment, the insertion of
Banks, presented that evening ; agreed to by the
a few very common words, the observations with
House.—Adjourned till to-morrow. which he was met from many parts of the House, as
HOUSE OF COMMONS. well as from his Honourable Friend below him, were
Several accounts relating to Ireland were presented. Also,
the &menu of the Commissioners for the Reduction of the to this effect s—that though they agreed with him in
National Debt. the principle of the measure, and were as anxious as
Sir W. BURRF.LL presented a Petition from the South himself to establish the principal Resolution relative
Down Growers of Wool, praying an alteration in the laws re- to economy, yet they could not agree with the Amend-
lative to the exportation of Wool.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. C. BUTLER presented a Petition from Kilkenny against ment, because it was contrary to the uniform prac-
the Window and Hearth Tex.—Ordered to lie on the table. tice in such cases. Precedents were cited by those
Gentlemen as the ground why they could not agree
Mr. H. SUMNER brought up tb • Report of the Committee
inostathaue Soutothooraiseark
aßrfiudnberge Coamanpanuyi
money
feorwascarngivingen tono bringtt him,substance they went as far as
with although
undertaking. he did. But now the Noble Lord deviated from all
Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from certain Inhabi- precedent—(hcar, hear.)—
He had moved that an or-
tams of Wapping, stating the injury they should receive from der bf postponed for considering a Message from the
the Rotherhithe Bridge MIL and praying a consideration of
Throne, concerning which his (Mr. Brougham s)
their case.
A similar Petition was presented from the Watermen plying Amendment had been yesterday rejected ; and the
at Iron Gate Stairs, to the same effect.—Both were ordered to reason why the forms of considering it without delay
tie on the table. were said to be necessary, was because the House
were bound to notice it in preference to all other bu-
siness, from due respect to the Crown. On such oc-
casions much was sacrificed to the convenience of
debate, and the House were called on to postpone
their opinions on the different subjects before them,
rather than shew a want of respect to a Royal Mes-
sage. He did not say that this was wrong ; for he
wished all possible respect to be shewn to the Crown.
But he thought the plain English of the Noble Lord's
conduct, and that of his associates, was too obvi-
ous to let his meaning remain doubtful one second.—
The Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's Private
Councils assembles his friends in a private room, for
a:purpose for which no practice or precedent can be
cited. They consist of a selected god yof the Mem-
bers of that House, bein4 composed generally of
most respectable country Gentlemen, whose inclina-
tion to support Government, whenever it was pos-
sible to support it, was well known. He had heard
that one or two others, who,were known not to be of
the same opinion, had also been introduced, amongst
whom was a Learned Friend of his, as if Ministers
thought it necessary to feel their way, and sound him
—( Hear, hear, hear.) But many Gentlemen of in-
dependent principles were excluded, for what reason
was not known. Here. then, was a select meeting of
Members of Parliament, individuals highly respect-
able, and were much to be feared for their indepen-
dence; and to them was made a disclosure which
was refused to the House from the first moment.—
If this system was to be continued, it was a mockery
to say any debate could be entertained in that House.
(Hear.)—The debate might go on, the numbers
might be counted and declared, but it was elsewhere
that the question was decided—(hear, hear, hear.)-
-He had a right to suspect that Ministers thus had
recourse to practising upon Members. The debate
was carried on in silence, and in silence also was their
opinion to be ascertained ; and if this mode was to
be adopted, and the House was expected to coincide'
in it, the House would hear no more on a question,
except from some unfortunate mistake, such as hap-
pened yesterday. Not having yet had an opportunity
of entering his protest against such a system, he
availed himself of the present one. It was such a
gross, unconstitutional practice, that he could not let
it pass. The silence of those Gentlemen who had
been selected for the private meeting was taken for
their consent to what had been laid down ; but no
sooner had they come into the House than they open-
ed their mouths, and declared that it was a proposi-
tion so extravagant that they could not countenance
it. One after another they made this declaration,
and no one Gentleman had ventured to say that he
had agreed with the proposition of Lord Liverpool.
He hag thereforea right to assume that thi, attempt
had not been successful ; and now, on this account,
another delay was proposed, not that more ptiLes
might be felt, but that attempts might be made to

WATER COMPANIES.

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Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, on presenting a Petition from the Pa-
rish of Mary-la-bonne, for leave to erect additlonalWater-works,
entered into a history of the establishments at present existing,
and their late efforts to undersell each other; the result was,
that some of them became so depressed in their finances that
they were under the necessity of farming out districts which they
used to supply ; and thus the public became imposed upon, by
being obliged to pay whatever price the individual company that
had monopolized the supply chose to demand. His object was
to prevent this imposition, and also to have a constant supply its
ease of fire, as well as for every purpose of necessity and life.—
He therefore trusted the House would allow this Petition to go
into a Committee above stairs.
M. WARRE said a few words, not in opposition to the Pe-
tition, but in behalf of the fair conduct of the Grand Junction

Company.
The Petition was then brought up, md, and o dered t 3 be
referred to a Committee up stairs.

WOOL TRADE.
Sir WALTER BUItRELL rose, in pursuance of
notice, to move fur the appointment of a Select Com-
mittee, to inquire into the state of the laws restrain-
ing the trade of wool in Great Britain. The Honour-
able Member observed that the importation of wool
into chic country, particularly in the years 1814 and
1815, had had a very great effect upon the market-
price of wool. There was no fair competition with
' foreign markets, on account of the prohibition to ex-
port this article. He would venture to say, that no
staple commodity of this country was placed in such
an unfair situation as that of wool ; and he conceived
that the appointment of a Committee to inquire into
the subject was absolutely necessary. He concluded
with moving for the appointment of the Committee.
Lord LASCELLES argued that there was no
ground for this motion, as the price of wool had been.
gradually rising ever since 1816, and was actually
still rising; and yet, with all we could obtain from
abroad, there was an inadequate supply for the ma-
nufacturer. He was happy to state, that in the
amount of broad cloths manufactured in Yorkshire,
there never was so flourishing a year as the last, ex-
cept the year 1813. It was therefore more advanta-
ge(us to encourage the importation of the raw ma-
'.terihli and to send it out in a manufactured state,
than to try to improve the nature of wool to the pre-
judice of the long wool, which could be got nowhere
else. If this sort of wool were allowed to be ex-
ported, we should furnish foreigners with the only
material they want to imitate our principal staple ma-
( nufacture. Ile was therefore against all interference
I of the Ilouse.
Mr. CURWEN gave the Honourable Baronet
every credit for his interference, but could not agree
with him in the object he wished to obtain. He con-
tinued to argue precisely similar to the Noble Lord.
The price had risen from Is. 6d. to 2s. per lb. while
the carcase, that used to fetch 28s. now produced
from 48s. to 525. These must sorely be sufficient
advantages to satisfy the grower. By the manufac-
ture of fine grown wool we obtained 34,0001. a-year,
which was beneficial to every farmer and trader in

get over those men whose honesty wet
their declaration of last night—(Near
het
He would say, that if the House
r'l'i,4to-a,;'''
Noble Lord sought for, namely, further
would establish what he dared not propose in'nll,
Therefore, when the Motion of the Noble Lo been disposed of, he should move a Rese'
'u:
constitutional, and at the same time so cespec'!--
temperate towards the parties out of doors-
had no manner of doubt it would meet
Lion of the House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH strongly ani
'the observations of the Honourable mastertally,„_,4
Gentleman, who, he observed, was often it
of throwing out ideas that were very diet7,7_
the constitutional practice of the Hook.
must therefore allow him to enter his prooe'
this new language and doctrine, as both i rap
ble and unwise. The Honourable and lea
demon attempted to insinuate, that tins otter;
postponed for the purpose of practising on
men, as if it were in the power of Minim:nom,
oil such a practice, and to make converts a
give their votes in favour of Government, As ,Al
their language. He should have thought he
have had a different feeling, and the Hulot,-
Learned Gentleman must allow him to,
protest and language only as a pursuit of tha,
he so very often resorts tow—(hear, hear, ha,
trying to vilify his Majesty's Ministers for the'
dente which they possess, and which they ski
ways endeavour to maintain. In fact, it
that he wished to put down the mum that
in existence, and to substitute something in its
,that he might prefer. He would state to.norms
what had been the conduct of Ministers, and the*
satisfy the House that in every part of that =du
they had done their duty fairly and honoura'7on,
wards the Crown, while they had ever been ell
mindful of the real interests of the coonoi.
Mr. TIERNEY said, it was clear that there,.,,
was an Administration which took so much paios
the present to vilify and degrade itself in the fa;
space of forty-eight hours-I,nel+, he,:r, !tea
quite unnecessary to shew that the present
tration stood in a more contemptible sitociactla
any other that ever existed. The Noble Lorahm
endeavoured to attribute to his Honoirable and
Learned Friend an assertion that all presiossoacet
was unconstitutional. But his Learned Priest'
never said any suchohing. Now, how did the tit
stand with respect to the Monarch, the House, ad
Ministers? Yesterday, every thing must have bee
settled with the Prince Regent, and Ministers at
have taken on themselves what was the fittest pro
position to bring down to the House. This mat
have been previous to their meeting. Then it rat
have come out that the proposition would nit be
sanctioned by the House, on which out went a soo
mons to meet at Liverpool House, in ordc:
might be submitted to a select few what they had his
Royal Highnesv's commands to submit to that Hose
But it was a pity they had not a sort of a playa
Liverpool House for reporters (laughter), as um
.Gentlemen might have had a chance of knonig
'what had passed there. As it was, the Noble Lad
had made a speech, but no notice was taken of Lime
his speech ; and a sort of mutiny had brokei oat
among his own troops (laughter). Afterwards sonnet
them had come forward and said, " we will tell yes
fairly that something has passed we cannot arum*
On this, the Noble Lord opposite said—" vat ally
twenty-four hours, and you shall hear Re Mn(
Tierney) had waited twenty-four hours, and he en
now told he must wait forty-eight—(lang;teo—The
Noble Lord said—" wait only till to-mertos,
will tell you why I postponed the business yesterdo."
But what was desirable to be known was, what .o.
tually did pass at Liverpool House. He understoci
it was this, and he wished the House and the cesory
to understand it. It was proposed that there iscuid
be a sum given to his Royal F ugh test the Dote ci
Clarence, to make his whole income •qual to Ciagl.
a year, besides about 20,0001. for o laic. To :he Doe
of Kent, in the contemplation of his being arornods
12,000/. a year in addition to his present news
making it 30,0001. and 12,0001 for outfit. net the
Duke of Cumberland—(Hear, hear}—sherd brit
income made up to 30,0001. a year, being an aritial
of 12,0001.—and the Duke of Cambridge the ram
On the whole, the total burthen upon the conalbl
these additions would be 116,0001. a year, a'W etas
sum must be made up in the present year. r3e2
what was he to believe? Ir. common ca are. be
must think that his 'Royal Highness the Prince Rs'
gent supposed it to be right, and that those pets:-
nages could not maintain themselves in 1 propole
I;vree of splendour without such an addition to on
incomes ; therefore Ministers thought properw
min the monatttheratto
cPoaurllaiambeenrat,adae_is the most
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laughter.) If so, why want more time? Wh,
it ts
go into the question at once? It seemed as
Noble Lord wished to say—" Now Ins deserts!.
Royal Master, and court my friends
Commons, by which means I may chance to get oit
d_
of the scrape. But if it turned out that the DO
Personages could do with less than a certain ran;
why was tt ever proposed to give tthan dut_o,
Here was degradation upon degradatina;
in House
the Noble Lord talked of the Honourable and DP"..
ned Gentleman on this side wishing for a
chusge
system, in order to substitute something of lus7',.
But let the House look at that Bench, and say a_u•
were possible that from such a strange and discard
body any good system could be expected to peace%
Their system was to try one thing, and if rii?l"lg_
not do, to try another. Indeed he must ilerw7 that
he pitied them, though they were not dego_T:L.
citaryaplasmsioastiern tb.r thHeewmayusitnstawhnidchintheaynh:4l awkwud
and unjust situation in the eyes of all the Fotel,
misters in this country ; for Ministers can
him what is to be done for him, nor doter
what to thooldeo
he
er
wtlasesni muli
tsev es—'liear,
that ear
satisfiede
would satisfy the House or the country.
Lord FOLKESTONE observed, that as& •
Lord had not condescended to give any Trisc4
postponing the Order of the Day, a might '
of the consideration of the House whether theY
tt
n, othin--w
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of a toad abandonment of the entire pr. r.,
adopt a proposition so disrespectful to the.
themselves.—Strangers were ordered to so
but the motion was a'-reed to witimat a diision.,_
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