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O net forbeat 'adding tviel4ies, Which eienteined daringtwzrity-four years of itar, entailed on the
atlio the truth of w itch. was too,unfertunately conntry 'additional taxes to the amount of twenty-
: t 1; moment, to make. it necessary for him to eight millions sterling. To meet this extraordinary
:ge upon it : - call, extraordinary labour became necessary. The;
'(fat trade'syroud empire bastes to swift decay, manufactu:-er was compelled to toil seven days in the
0 13 ocean ayseps the tabooed mole away.". ' week instead of four, at. a reduced price, and thin
~.ovule trespass on their Lordships patience with" more work was performed than formerly, while the
:inn mores • • foreign demand for our goods was in an equal pro-
," But a bad peasantry, their country's pride, portion diminished. -This caused the -distress, and
uiVire? oncc•deWroy'd, ems never he supplied!"
• this evil he would say grew out of the policy of the
:,ory Mutt! of SOO wretehed crearures being Government, whisji for twenty-four years had kept
e,!t
, ogether," as it was emphatically the termed, in country at war. He contended, that these Bills
is deefued to distant and almost unknown otight not to pass while inquiry was refused, and that
~.5..-nproi t therei
he uncertain chance of finding some sympathy ought to he manifested by the Go-
ee existence which, they .could not procure at: vet-went for the sufferings of the People. He
,ye ; and packed and ". massed" like so-many bales. thought that the effect of the Bill, if it succeeded in
~:ir or tobacco, what were they to think of 7.he. 'putting down public discussion, would be to create
ler:lment under which their misery had acct sisr private intrigues and conspiracies. still more danger-
:ei to sash a height ? Could they acquit Ministers. pus.-
" liad,not that been the case in France? Had
la guile.? Good Coe 1 they would not Surefie any Public Meetings preceded the Revolution? No;
ire the audacity to say, that it was brought on by. the Meetings of the Sessions consisted, at the utmost,
;iox4it! (Hear). No; it was brought on by the el fifty or sixty individuals; and were not held is: the
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1,111 e; ursacd by -Noble Lord' opposite; the haopen d
fl
air, and it wits from them that the greatest part
.usairs were to be'found in their conduct. The of
the subsequent evils haowed—( Hear, hear).—
;:.:ape fofthe vessel of the State, the only chance •He concluded by recommending to their Lordships
~e; prekivatiOn among-the rocks and'
perils which to show that they cared for the People, who, other-
7-apacsed h.er, war, in that moderate Reform which wise, would neither care for them, nor maintain a
al.; Arance and increase the purity, without en• per respect for the Constitution. - •
le:ing the health and vigour of the Constitution. •
• ~tilii resistance to the injurious policy of Mi- The Earl Of LIVERPOOL did not believe that ex-
_u distresses vveie.the causes of the disturbances
-.. conli only be opposed by one thing, and that
which had taken plate, but that the individuals who
~.„, ;be sword, the pistol, er the dagger, but
had occasioned those disturbances 'Would not have
',so ;iii:on ? Even to those who advocated Annual
had the power of operating what they had done
:.,:nentS and 'Universal Suffrage, te (Lord Gros-
without the aid of those distresses. Disaffection, in
, I would pry, rest on your oars; if you are right,
fact, did not exist amongst the most
- -.is pai must succeed; if
hen wrorig in thii distressed, but
with annongst.those who received -more abundant salaries.
iii fail—and yoli must then be satisfied
Thi e Noble Earl wl'o he i last Spoken, had assumed
: .1. .Asti the subject of the distress which "pre-
ill it the hoe war was ti cause of those distresses;
XI tinotighont the Country, he knew well that a
but, to make hig argument e hod, he ought to have.
'-,:e. lied, in his eye, would tarn round, and gay,
1 iii. we do for them, we do as a favour: we can-
shewn that it had been possible to avoid that war.—
their distress; but we will extend to them
*
But had, during the last ten years of the contest, any '.
.:.•:p
voice been raised, even amongst the gable Lords
n protection from plunder and outrage." •Protec- :
in favour of peace ?_ Nay. had Rot a No.
Yes-. such protection as Pizarro eitended w ' apposite,
b e Lord himself, when sent over in 1807 to Paris to '
rerovians : and as for plunder, he was not
feat with the Fiench*Government, ((Mild h UN:cosi;
:0 s..rc that they were 'not in almost as mush
ble, notwithstanding the ability with which he had
, fe- in that respect 'from other 'quarters. as they
' ,in the Radicals !-(hear, hearameir).--
conducted the negociation, to.conclude a peace, and,:,
:c not much prospect of increasing the pro-o. 24 his returk expressed- his opinion to that effect to..
the House?—(Herr, heart)--He then contended,
:hose who already complained of burdens;
that the disteess only existed in ihose Manufacturing
Iditional expense of ten thousand riddititnial
districts which depended -on foreign Had', and pro-. i
d it was pretty clear that, at,' s
ea
far from ie-
ceeded from the p
upon those who had not yet experienced
state of the United States. ;
:lose who suffered most, this expperienced the ense was ano-
which had reduced their demandi for goods. The l'
,manufactures which depended on domestic consutnp-
:ent of distress. The Noble Lail concluded
Tieing to the House for the lengt at which tion were in a flourishing condition. He.then alluded
h
detained them—{Hear, hear). to the measures adopted in 1793 'and 1817, to relieve
Earl of WESTMOIIyLAND contended, that the distresses of the poor by an .issue of Eichequet
Bilis, and *zed that nearly half a million still re-
;tint Bills were only intended to put down mained unapplied, chiefly beiuse the Gentlemen in
,eetings as had been considered illegal before Scotland, not choosing -to assess themselves, could
ante had taken place. The first Statute ap. not give the security necessary to justify, en advance
to- such Meetings was that of the 16th on the part of his Majesty's Government. With "re-
IV. which went to put doWn routous and spout to the present Bill,he approved of the principle
Meetings, and enjoined the Magistrates, un- of permanence, but did not complain of its limitation
ere•peualties, to attest the leaders. The Sta- to five years, as it might be wise to-give an tipporta-
m
- . Edward. VI. made it felony to retrain at a nity for reconsidering the measine after its merits had
ig.an hour after a Proclamation had been rata been tried. He maintained that the Bill would pro-
is humane law, .ibe- necessity of dispers.
I
1 gil
.mote instead of prevent discussion and petitions,
Ags by force had been almost wholly avoided
gild drat those petitions which at various times had
astute of- Edward-was renewed in the reign e
gn had most influence with Parliament, were not those ;
litery,?and again' in chit of Elizabeth. t was that had been adopted at Meetings held in the open air. I.
'Feted to expire; and the law with respect to
Meetings rested, from that time, on the 16th The Marquis of LANSDOWN was glad to andl
irylV. up to the reign if George I. when the ; that there had been a material change for the better
in the Bills since they were originally introduCed,
Lct Was passed. Coining: then to the present I
he contended that _they differed much from and he hoped that still further improvements would
*
hat had preceded them,. 'Hitherto it had been
be made. He condemned, in strong terms, the cha-
e.si that stela riotwould take place at Public racter and conduct of those who had promoted the ,
, of an ilitOriaperAharaeter. Till now, it late agitating Meetings, and be 4cktlowledged the
cgs
in beep common for-pekoes, under pretence of necessity of putting them down by law, but he could
sing *the' sacred right of petitioning, to call not approve of a departure from ancient princ:ples;
necat-he rdi,„,,ht Amok -dal stymies to inflame and of making Magistrates the inquisitors of opinion,
"
sedition. It was
ii4rarkt, and 'spread abroad
instead of the preservers of the peace.- The -most
• '
I.e. such Meetings should not be protected learned Judges, on long consideration, were found to
Tay, aiotinetice from riot ; and the object of - differ "-la what -4rtflilile-,was,'°r:.vt'aA not, calcu-
lated to stir up Als ;oleo*: to rebellious :but the Ma-
resent measnro was to disperse them by the law
ehanby the sword. • The Noble Earl had sug% without
was to decide oaLti ao".a..lith Meeting, and
:l tee remedies. First, an inquiry' into the state without a
..moment's consideration. He considered
re Country ; secondly, an alteration in the frame it not'
the least fitredidlitaiy: eh-if :Ireland should be
die Government; -and thirdly, a reduetion of the . included in 'dß& Bill. - Wissitithe'llill was intended
ty. tie (he Hall of- Wesunrwebind) Was per. as a permanent Billolitielansi•waeaor to be included
id, that these remealeo.wiauleVisof 'iltall.„' •. tie -in its orovisionotisist when it ways prole a temporary
eked, that there wad- but. too. much' alistrese m
.• Measure, qien Ireland was included. The reasonings
;mum ; but Where-where astretifivat felt,'it was-;os to both .countries were inconsistent—it was said to
("bend that most disaffectionpeevailed:. *Bat their .Englatid.• we utast deprive you of this right, because
is said that the distresi Wei prodUced 'by-the pr you 'have abdsed ire and it was said tolreland, we
of Ministers;.and diet 'eincitequentle i'ehatage eh - will deprive you of it, because you have not exerted
frame of our- Goietiiinefit ss as netisiary."' .• .- . tit 1 Ireland was peaceable and tranquil—there was
:Lail GROSVENOR -denied having ilidi a chip „mai complaint, no charger butnanq of seditionto include her inst her--
in
he frame of our (?hvernment was nicessary.• then, was it just or
the Earl of WESTMORELAND resumed. life, the provisions of sb severe an Aft? The Neble Lord
red that the present thstiess resulted- from -Misrule {Liverpool) had said, that Irelan'd was plaeed in the
misgovternitient: ''The present system had•• lifted same situation as the peaceable parts of England ;
country, tiAvariff the close of the last century, to' but would the Noble Lord; 'did the Noble Lord,
ate of unexampled prosperity, uhichovas at once ' when Ireland was disturbed; ilid when measures of
envy and the admiration of all surrounding na- severity were passed against her, did he say to the
s, and this recollection alone Should make them ' People of England, the County of Down or of Gal-
:.ate 'to alter the frame of our present Goveri- way is disturbed, therefore I will include all England
it. He contended that the conduct of the Magis- . in the provisions of a severe law, which is necessary
e aManchester, on the 16th of August, had not ! because of those distutbances? No mature how Ire-
any 'respect violated the MU of Rights ; but he ; land conducted herself, still she was the Object of in.
ted that the present measnre would prevent the i fiction, and of suspicion. The policy now pursued'
city of dispersing future Meetings in that way. towards her reminded him of the lines of Widen: ,
-:.,ry into that transaction, on the part of Parlia. " Your placid looks deceive Ulf net, g°44 RON -• . .
-., was unnecessary, as if those who called for ie. " I know you mean what counteracts acts fee eao !" ...
now had desired it before, long ere this an in- The Noble Marquis concluded by Saying, that the
.ry would have'taken place in the ordinary Courts great cause of the distress was to be found.in an ex-,
:V..% ,To institute an inquiry under existing cir- cessive debt, and an overpowering taxation operatic*
.•,..s.ices, ' would, he thought, be most unparlia- on the diminished means of the Country.
t•• , be, st. a --v ;tit •
nd cruel, as tending to prejudice The Earl of BLESSINOTON expressed his inter:
05:.!..;, which were let to come before Juries. don of moving in the Committee, thkt Ireland bb
e 1:. el.n-I of LAUDERDALE did not believb in
.left out of the Bill.
-'Ai•terice of arty extended conspiracy to overthrow Lord HOLLAND . condemned the Bill, as uncoif
...icversiment. lie believed the evil arose from the' stitutional, cruel, foolish, -and mischievoui : uncoil-
,•• ‘'si. now prevalent ; and he accused the Noble stitutional, because it frittered away the right of Pr
':1;-<,pposite with being the cause of the distress, tition—cruel, because it made it felony for one mail
iri his.
11r.c••• Jura cheat it was the natural consequence of. ,
to listen to an-thet—foolish, becauie it only tended
..eic.4
..iiiieh they had pursued. In all coup- to 'aggravate the eviland niisChievoui; because, it'
:=• ::;,.. fipenditure and revenue (left to the natural would trite the People from Public Meetings to Pri- '
itaese. et thingS) would be equal to each other; but vote conspiracies, and, instead of clamour, it would
~..,..t.k.:e,
Vi•(' Losl•),000,000 had been contracted in this Noble Lord said, he would not divide the Rouse;
i. In this course, taking every £lOO stock but would, in the Committee, deliver his opinion
:0 the debt at CIS sterling, k would be seen more at large.
oollwae had been an of L:670,006,000 The House then divided on the motion of the Earl
.. A
"" the teal capital lithe cowry, and this had,, of Caneuevos, " That au insttnetion In &Went° the

Committee to limit the duration
the Ist of July, 1822:"
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Adjourned at Two o'cloc k this moi
HOUSE 'OF C0M314
Sir IL PARNELL gave notice that
move for leave to bring in a 13111 to
taking the Poll in Ireland.
Mr. IL WARD postponed the Ordnance
Monday.
Dr. P HILL! Minix gave notice that 1,
'move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend
Mr. N. CA LVER'r moved for an Ar
Hops for 1819, specifying the different
and New Duty.—Agreed to.
Lord A. HAMILTON presented a
for certain modifications of the 59th of
loopests in that quarter, which was laid
dered to be printed.
!u; t. Alderman WOOD gave notice,
recess, move fur a Committee to inquire
of allotting the Lands of.Dartmoor, &c.
the Poor.
Sir C. BURRELL, on moving the
taking into their consideration the Report
bery 13111, stated, that in consequence of i
with other Gentlemen, and with reference
proceediugs on the leading question tone
kind, that growing out of the Grampound
duced to make the present motion with -
Seeing what course the discussions had
it might be satisfactory to•melition to t
position with regard to •Penryn was to
that Falmouth, with a population of about
Penzance, with a population to nearly the a
be let into the elective right. This would
to the process recognised as expedient •
pound, the only difference "being, that is
tension was proposed to be made at a distant
in the adjacent county. He concluded 11.-
the motion till the 21st of Febrnitry.
Mr. W. WYNN remarked on the
right to a Boroteli vote into a vote for
*impart of ear Representative system
'it was thai of the County Representation.
these Findi were adopted, merelyontgenersl
have the effect of putting Househnlde
with Freeholdeis' and introducing a
confusion into the County franchise.
ter into the subject at prevent, but he
the course most -fit sObe adopted, that,
pound, and Barnstaple to come under
tars, who had not forfeited their rights
-have the-election of two Members for
jokled; still left with them, while the I,
of as the Legislature might think proper.
thus uniting Boroughs was not at object
Wales, and he never heard of any dist&
Sir C. NIONCK agreed with the lit
that Borough voters should not be introduced
County-Electors. In his opinion the
, follow the precedent of former Jadeite's ,
'still he was aware that striking imperfect
method of throwing the elective tights
Hsitireds, and these be 'Wald be gird.'
As an example of these-imperfections, Is
iotigh of.Wnoten-Bitetet, which war
pees thrown open when the franchise
From its situatiOn the borders of
that a forty shilling freehold in Wootonza.
ling In a house there, obtained thus a right
e biembeest cif the bane, be'
Cricklade, and for the Members of the
of Wooton-Basset, therefore, with a f
votes for lig .Members, sod for dm f
privilege. This might, perhaps,-as
future arrangements, especially as, vit.
presented themselves on tbe- subfeet of
Cornwall.
Mr. DAVIES GIUSEEt
'Pilleitly sanctioned would ea:tab* se.-
VOlMititution of that House i Ova whether
.ter~ "Muth doubted. His apinidn,
other competent persons, with at v
teal rePiesentadon of the country,
sulkiest and•goOd far all. practical ,
not.* mere.delegatfon of the pearl,
and chnilbliStuctution. •
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW-oetiOrk
Donputable Member for Northumberl
• and protested .against-deprivilif
merely.speAulative;grounds.
After which the question was now
also iboyed hp. Sir C. Bustoettoritd•
eltould not issue his Writ for the
the et st February,.
Oskar incision of arr. Wpm, the
Committee en the Irish 10ection 1311
-was tone into, end the. Report recall
hii.W, W rya t'
to, the Bill was teed r Wield Orlie:
.'" I NSOL VENT, DIETS)
lAad ALTHORP- brought in the
Datim.motion for ifs being read'
CALCRAFT itsiet not to
principles of *hick .he agreed,, bat
whom he bad ktown Fos many
late Court, bad fek-.l4Mealtallust
foll•freen the Noble Lord on, obtoiPluil
Bill; and he was anxious, as'he siai
no intention to throw. a stigme.upcm '
misapprehension Mould be done es
,Lord ALTHOUP *tap/need-ha
odd should havefeeling wounded the feeling
Ho did tot mean so impute .any
441131 'thln 4441140 d on ihO'
costik 411 that be bad said
.was,
astureloi dl the-Matta of that Conn,
to them, but because ::z. its '
mind which must haws
The Bill wal reads fret
ascend time on the 16th of; Rehtiarts
Nawarriolitt-:
Lord CASTLEREAGH;

a considerable time, witliout
moved the Order of the Da,
deration of the Report on
OA the *nutlet' that this
"Mr.,rOHN. SMYTH begged
Of dilEculty" was intOlvetfin th
communicated with individuals
deeply concerned in it, and
complication, and so absolute
narrowly into it, that: he
pressed on without more
believed that the effects it I
contemplated nor wished
fie stated that that. respect,
_Booksellers (not merely respectable
count, but for their value to
suffered,. much distress and
able clearly to see their way through
the multitude of ways in, which it w
he' was sure he had laid a sail
guesting a shirt delay.
Lord CASTLEREAG.—
passing the Bill with as miscb
its own account, inod also
desirable, and'many Members
it that weight. His LOrdslY
ciple of the Bill wes.weil
had been altered in it but
convenient to discuss the
for debate on londay. •
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iof the merasuiti to named, . .
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as Monday was already appropriated tOir the ~
. Libel Bill. .
- - - go A short conversation ensued on this point. in which . . .
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- - - 57 Lord- CA•STI,ZRFAcp, Mr. TIEItREt, and Mr. J. T:
-- - 78-135 GRANT. Psirticipifilf:=-- . ..-- .. -* • '
- - - - —97 The SPEAKER explained, that the delivery of
norning, till Monday.l'
the•amended Bills, •ishich some of the Honourable ~
. .
MONS. _ • Members had alluded to, bad been amply. provided •
L. be would, on Monday, for.. But many. Him. Genleinen has ing taken copies ' •
a regulate the manner of in the Vote Office last night, it might be that there , ,4
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were not a sufficient ntimqr for the general delivery .
Drdnance Estimates till . .
to Members this mo orninc.- There were, -however; H •
•
it he vrould on'iVdnesday the usual number primed, and he had' given orders • -
end the Marriage Act. for their being sent as earl ylas, possible. , • . •
Account of the Duty on
t Districts, and the Old Mr. BROUGHAM 'and Mr, ABERC nbsttle '
ipoke at ,
to the delivery to many Members being so late as to .. ,
•
a Petition from Lanark preclude them from the polsibility bf making then-,
of the King, relating to t • ' '
. .
selves acquainted with the S7objecr.:' ' .
laid on the table, and or-
- • Mr. ASERCROMBIE•sai i. he considered this to ••••
, lb* be should, after the be infinitely the most impOrtant.of all the peav;rve, .. • .r '
•
juire into the expediency introduced by. Ministers, and one which IN ' -.I .: • 1,11 c,... ... C . •
Lc. for the employment of
utmost deliberation. He founded his opinion net ' .
e Order of the Day for so much upon the Bill itself, as upon the ptincip'ci•
port on the Penryn Bri- laid down for future legislation. He therefore begeect -
.
of some communication to know from the Noble. Lord. if it really feMiired
ence to the Parliamentary
touching subjects of this so much expedition,ahar a mcmeinary pause.for cog- I
ound Election, he was in- sidetation could not be allowed*? . • .
th a view to postponement. Lord CASTLEREAGH agreed with the Honour-.
edit?
He noujei n these
di mattee
p:os.,
able Gentleman that this was the most Important ors
•
o extend die franchise, so the measures propos.ed by Government. It was most
about 5000 persons, and important to still the agitation .wbicl existed)e the
the same amount, would
ruleadwuithsimirelgirdate a
co
he
country, and he fairly confessed to the House if . ~
the evil was not put a stop toby their interposition,' .
t in the one caso the ex- they would have a.not very pleasant prospect before
distant place; in the other, them. He repeated his opinion, as to the expediency,
td by moving to postpone of dis Cussing the-principle now, and' the details in .t
.
he anomaly of- altering a . -* • • .
future stage. • i •
sr a•Cdtmty. If there was • Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that the principle ni• -1 I
' nu'r* awed than ane.thers the Bill divided itself into two parts-the security tot
ttian. Yet if alterations of be given, and the Starry- Duties to he paid. The fo:'e i
general principles, it would •
i was the most important, but till• he had cOmzer.
en in the same colsditlon
. different class-and much nicated with the booksellers this afternoon, he had
It was unnecessary to en- not been aware of the momentous consequences cone
e would rather suggest, as netted with the latter. From what he had le it r.t, he •
t, supposing Penryn, Cram-
er a new system, the Eke= was Cbnviiiced, that,.viithout entering into the details,
ts by any corruption, should it was utterly impossible tb discuss the principle with"
n• the three Boroughs con- which they were inseparably interwoven. • . i
he other four wtm disposed : -
oper. The incoveuiente of • Lord CASTLEREAGH was very uneeillitig-rib . J
abjection, as it was done in press any question on the House for svhichi-from any
isadvantage attending It. circumstance; if could be said to be unprefini'ech He
A Honourable Gentleman{ .was therefore ready to a cceiriniedate the'lloneutrable • 1 •
introduced into the class of
Gentlemen opposite to the utmost of his power; ieltll..
he case of P ought to.
nets of the same kind. Bat out retarding measures which he believed Were Crafted I
erfectioxs accrued from the for by the circumstances of the country: •Iflf welt
rights wen to the adjoining understood' thilt.the'Bill should really•mate peeigfir' ,
Aid. is see iiianfed splint.
he would mention the Bo_ cre Monday, 'he would' have nu objection *;to - aisles.- r.
Is,
i embraced within the cote- ratigernent embracing that principle; so that-the-dl
teof Cricklade wasoaceated. dttsstons "might 'Be ' got through next Week. atOn the' •
at WAshite. It so happened understanding; therefore, that the principle should be • .
c'tw"asiets the owner duvet- discussedonMonday, he weirld-postpone his- Motion:
t a right to vote not only for
A
et bet for do Morobert of ' Mr. BROUGH M -said; he 'would•even -go fare ,
'tie County. A. householder tiler than the polite icqtrieseenceof the Noble Lord.
a forty shilling freehold, bad If the bill should be So altered by Monday as tore- •
r some tenure he'hitt seeable move the principal Oblectionii which had been alluded' * • -
is well be avoided in their, ' -•,' ." •
t `unlatch limited. ' ' 11-1
1 various other considerations too the di9ett. ion titiel. „.
et of making arrangements in - 'The quettiens Was thee put,. and, on the motion 11e
• d, that the =enures now ap- Lord CAsiviiihaoti'• the re-committal-for lilonciays
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4, mike acdwatk,„ he-the on the alstree,end.B.l4eistanding, agreed to*. •1 , .
whether an improvement, he • . --.8 .SSIZVRIL /IiLL.. . • • '
in, and the opinion of niast A Metsagelrmt the Lords out their Lord-i
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t what they wanted was a vita Ships' 'assent to -tile-Aria Seizure Bill, with's the, i . I
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r, (such as they nowitenjoyed, Amendment if ihe.:CommOns. ' ' ' ' • -
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purposes
.of legislationh and
1, subject to externatlmpulse . . : . miltY• xaTISIATP.S. • -, , , ~.. 91 _
!L. • • ' s . The House having resolved itself into a ettiouleife.
eertnalie. observations 9f the of c• i ' ,
überland (Sir Charles Monet), tee °UP' y. • • . •
at tan or hsc. lacers. on • , Lord PALMERSTON' rase. to pro-powitirotita•?
s•• • . 1.........• . . , Army Estimates on Account., He, said thut at tiny- . (ll°
4W PO alufalereid to.' It iris early period of the Session; itwsu'rtot posiiblercrnraire -
41d140"4 46' th‘a*t the PPeak`r out the Estitnates in detail. . b.a this
. aciotint, a-d
e Borough till the mu
wonslate. •
• also for the convenience of.the Heusi,. he wished to. .
the Or.der of *SI4 bay for the, propose a vote on Account; forahetestimates ;If ult..-...h.
Bill was route the:OSoitnittee. only an abgrAtt had been e-tesen vit.-. The sum he '.t
tceived sharp few.woOs frfromo
the Arneadmeau being agieed liishid• .t.? propose to --Vole would amount to:nearly • i
• .Qne Minion arid a Holf;Whichivbidd indria-le the ex-
;irons' as. . ~,,, . -ter or calling out the -Pensioners ; --He should,. -
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the Insolvent Etebton'.Bili.
id a (list tide, refore, desire to reseifieNlelise-hiSion till the nice e ... • •
to oppose the oiessure—, .I:riek- 'loot.
',tit:tailed Estimates were laid before the House after
bin to observt, that ti.peraon - recess,‘ end ••the . final rote- ,Rroposed., lie con-
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r yearsoha erClerlL -irt• the'
••• - • , chess_ eluded by moving a vate.raff.:9ao,ooo, on account cf t -
rtlay'oectidb.aarsodons which the Laid Service, with ihisexc. tiee4.l.reland, and 1 t
Istaiphig leave to *trod
.eve this the Troops in the, setvice of the -roctik4o,r4arry.
Lew*".l,,„taryth,t,ii
~,..,N"len., 14°Ta.,;_,.,.'bid Mr. CALCR An' said,' lie shot nit pretsalle die- ~
upon --."----1•'"t Wil.•.cossion of the subject against the y.„4lf ql-the.tib use,
away.l'
77sil regret that iipyithuit iikiiia /out it did appea\' strange, .that when teh orlielve
reelings.of the person44llu4ed Mt.,-thousand men were' added .to a-Standing. arrni in
r thing to his disadvantage., nor •time of . ,
peace, and that standing army too thelitcgest f A
ti Cormniftre. to warring slob a •
rat, alma le was glad of tie ra. that ever was known in the country at any Sit:fair
Court, not from imputing blame time, that the Noble Lord shOuld pint it :beef it an . . ,
a in'inakeitioe .en the rablie :ordinary matter of businets which calied4Orho ex.
411*r:exertions nogatoty, planation. Though -he was not prepared, :mulct all
'll, "4 "4'l* " be read a the circumstances of the countryl to say,tharbe I
iniarjrinirte:at prluted. •.
lta:NV. slid.. should peremptorily oppose .the.calling mit of the A' 1 .
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Pensioners, yet he thought it the duty of th.Metnbers.
Rifle House having waited
of' the House to awaken the•lealdtisy of die etSteitiry-
thout doing any business,
to
.we.-proceedings. He hardly teesty howtireriolsove . •
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Day for the -further consi.
the News Stain stamp-Bin. to begat a itisceesion onr which he.should he ready:to
I BiH be now re-cot:on** Were:. gs. the 1%.14411.e Lord: had ,given .D 49 rMINPOI. OK
... 4 • vote. He.saw, too, among she vacs, a Sinn* lor . y
egged to remark, that entic4
Military C.ellege,, He, for One, ' illinitcro-lifect- to
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.I,in the measure. lie had
riduals whose interests were that vote at that Moment, as the utilitref thar.apPle..=
cadets-of money was at tide time- very qu.estioeablet
and he perceived so snitch IL .
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olute a,necessity forlooking
is trusted it would not be Hi had rather that .the. Noble Lord should .taiter,al
sum 9a accoeot genefally, ,without specifying peep.
e time for deliberation. He quier heads, .as Parliament wOuld. then he pledged tae t
•
: would produce were neither no principle, except, perhaps, thatt of the increase Gt ,
hy tjovernment ; and, when the Army by Calling
out the Pensioners.
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)ectable body of men, the Lord PALMEH.STON in reply, -said, -the Home
' had, at . she • beginniag of the Session been mettle
respectable en their oven ae- i •
acquainted. with the increase of the Army. by the. .
t. to the community ar- large),
and anxiety, witheut being Prince Regent's speech.. He had proposed a
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way through Ibis Dill, and generally for the service of one quarter ; • and he . I. .
which it wou)d a eft them, -.should have no 'objection to propose a vote for the , I
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id a sulicient ground for re-
.whole on account, without specifying particolar.see..
...,gj 4,41 ~ . Vices; witti-the exception of that for the Military Ca,: • i.
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• DH irked thirseesese •e ,oi. Jege apd Asylum, which did not pass through ths.
•ity,,a4l"liands.of the Paymaster Peletal. and which it was, .
put an end to -die
'Or that reason, necessary te have under a seperate
much celerity al
io as a full .atteodfn,ti as • . -
or Oreamilitaryd i buicoitelnz one
ouwleriaid tomai lily
be
prepagedi
tubers stayed. in Upon to g
rdship thought, its the pfin• -,--- , . .
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eieltifthour:mdeadth"d•
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ma:4l°Fid.th:Fillatiir.at .I:l4l9le:Wilsale vii%iittitilleiSitEst4);:thit;i.l;ne:Ksh.l74llblitileat6ul":/ebdl. '111:1:Esal:bit aratitl*eatimiis.::::tdoCidtbailtv;;Clitita:649liii 1 • -
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desirable, ,
sted, that Teelida) y shiculd be ;rill in progress'
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