Star.
London, England, 1816-06-22 00:00:00

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fir,; REDESDALE argued the ithpolicy of so
freouriely britigitig forward . moiions of this kind,
cit not. at Once bringing in a Bill, which would shew
sithst,wca the si-sire of the Friends of Emancipation.
It was a line of conduct he, for one, would strenu-
col appose, as producing much agitation in the
minds of the Irish, without chiing them one single
bcc,it. As. a proof of the little value the Clergy
pe„ the law ofthe land when the interests of their
ut
Cbefeh were concerned, he stated a case which °c-
oned while he was on the Beach in Ireland. A
cello) c Clergyman was asked how he had the pre-
aemption to marry two minors (the female
coy 1¢ yeas of age and a ward of Chancery) when
tboy were both Protesbuni, and that his conduct was
• "troy to law ? He replied—" It may he your
Ise, but it is not the law of my Church." As long,
therefore, as the Catholic Clergy adhered to the doe.
vine of eoreign Ecclesiastical jurisdiction, he thought
ibeie Lordships should he cautious how they proceed.
ed. The case in the Netherlands was by no means
applicable, as the Roman Catholic Religion was the
established religion of that country. In fact, the
tri,b Catholics were particularly distinguished from
all other Catholics that he had heard or read of. If
the owe of emancipation were so anrius to obtain
weir objec:, let them at once bring in a Bill which
cold elucitiate their views ; but by calling on their
1, fps to pledge themselves to take the subject
law consideration next Session, they hurt thi it
cos, they excited hopes which might be frustrat.
sad thus prepared the way for consequences
oda might be serious to the State. As long
sr the Catholic, however, entertained so high an
*aim of Lis Church, and of its being indepen-
dent of the British Crown, he thought their Lord
ships shauld not be too forward in granting the prayer
of the Petition. The power which the Roman Ca.
/italic Clergy of Ireland exercised over the people was
lad), he would venture to say, as the priests of no
other Catbelic country in Europe, except Spain per-
haps. would dare to exercise. They subjected them
to that influence not for any good purpose, hut merely
for the eske of einolumeut and power. He was me
the ever) other Catholic Government would controul
such a pernicious influence; but the. Irish Clergy had
declared t-ey would submit is none. As to domestic
elimination, what teal controul did that provide ?
Noce. It. would, on the e‘setrary, rather increasr.the
power of the priests. If the Catholic laity of Iceland
were left to themselves, he was sure there would be
hale difficulty in conci:iating them upon that and
every other 1.- bject. It was his arm ra,:inion that all
the troubles .nu disturbances which had so lung aft-
fitted Ireland were in a great measure attributable
to Mc iriftuence of the Clergy. The only way in
which t: .cre were.any chance of producing concilia-
tion would be by bringing forward some specific pro-
position, the effect of which might be comprehended
sconce, ast, h yw far it was compatible with the taw)
widcoastitution of the realm. To enact any sweep.
sag measure, by which all the restrictions would be
removed, would, in his judgment, have just the coil-
nary elicet o pr .ducing conciliation.
Earl STANHOPE sa.d, that the speech of the
Noble and Learned Lord, wha had jest sat down,
was precisely one of those speeches which was snore
calculated to excite exasperation than any he had
my heard from any one person, on any one occasion,
aat any ore time. It was an attack upon the whole
arrgy of Irelatid, and through their sides of the
altar people of that country. He trusted, however,
'bait would have a contrary effect, and that neither
carbilic nor Protestant would be roused into anger
W.it, A great deal had been said about the right of
deeseitic nomination, and• the vote. Now what was
fhtt blessed *do 10 Nothing more than to give the
Om a direct or indirect share, and rather more
than a sh fre, in nominating the Prelates and Bishops
if Ireland. But why have a tag at all, after
the concessions, the wise, honourable, judicious.
and tempetatte Concessions made by the Clergy in
thch Petition ? Why should the Catholic Clergy
:done be saddled with a veto? Were they the only
personsithose religious opinions affected the safety of
the Established Church ? He had stated on a former
Occasion, that in England and Wales the Dissenters
were AS five tOthree cot:puma with theChurchmeh.—
lit Ireland, it was tide, the Catholics weie as ten to
vie, and in Scotland they were all Presbyterians: If
a Asa was netesSary for the Catholics, why did not
they also have a Baptist. Vets', an independent Pet,
sod a Presbytesian Vdo l He wished they viould, for
tau they would all be united at once, and. iisere was
sothing like a strong pull; a long pull, end a pull al-
together—(A laegk.)—What would then become of
pOor heather Church.? Oh if it once the Catholics and
I)itsenters had but sense enough to join togetlicr what
a licking they would give her l—(Loud imoslder )
The Noble Earl then expressed his entire approltation
tithe lariats:ll;e in which the Petition from the Cabo-,
t Clergy was couched. The Noble. Earl opposite
(Earl Bathurst) who was then looking at weir]
turaugh his eye-glass. (a lank) objected to the motion
baeause it reierred the consideration of the Catholic
shims to the nett Session t would he consent to
strike out that part of the motion' and substitute the
'fiords, that they 'be n'ow considerea ? He would move
then: as an amendment, if the Noble Earl would sup-
port it.
The LORD CIiANCELLoII cownded dart the
riction thenisitute their Lordships i-as :n direct con-
tradiction to the principles of the Const+tution of this
C°Untrl, fur it went to the conferring equal rights,
Pod plielleges upon all classes of
Re thought it would be highly &oakum, and hie&
pedient.in tl.er Lohcishipb to give thy piAge owe' a
'abject of so mtich importance. With respect to the
petitions from the Clergy of Ireland, .1 he had known
its contents before lie should have felt it his duty tot
srbutit to their Lordships whether it was a fit one to
be received ? lie was at a loss to understand how et'
allf)vord, year after year, and season alter season,
'at tee ghost question of Catholic Lik.ancipatiotv
yak hover brought forward till near tia: c,ose of the
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‘eshon, and when it was avowed by iitose Atm sup.
Mud it, that it was too late to take any steps at those
/rotes. As to giving any pledge upon tf 1,0 401014 46
knot think that it would satisfy the Cati-,,lic wind;
why, indeed, should they give a pledge at
*btu they could do all that was necessary to bk tto'he
tiihuut a pledge ? Upon, those grounds, and with.
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Inttrulg at all ism the general merits of ;he gaol-