Star.
London, England, 1827-06-21 00:00:00

was not one individual Atiomberef who would not
resent it with that wino' dieting ol knlignation whirls
he was sure they'all poseessed in coMmon. :11,any in-
dividu 11 were in any way to hold up to the public as
part of their body, as havieg, on othesion of voting its
the majority for the Amendieent of the Noble Duke
whom he did not then see in his place—if any ineirri-
deal were to heldlep that nvejotty to pubk cidinosa: ht
for one, having voted in that aorsty, should say, taut
it was not consistent with the dignity and character 4,
any individuals, being Members of their Lordships'
Moose, to allow espersioni to be thrown on their mo-
tives, and insinuations Made that the votes they had
given were not given from any view to the public good,'
but from a tegard to their own private feelings (Hear).
The LORD CHANCELLOR rose to order. He
appealed to the Noble Lot d if stich proceedings could
be justified; and if it was not doing indirectly what, by
a rule of their Lordships House, could not. be done di7.
reedy. It was impossible not to understand the alltf-
"ions of the Noble Earls and he put it to the Noble
Earl, if it was not dOingkhat covertly, obliquely, and
by insinuations, which wet contrary to the rules of the,
House, and which he todkl.nof do directly ? If it were,'
he put it to the Noble E;rl, whethee,he thought it was
iglu and pewee to pursue spelt coisrse ?—(Cheers.)
The Earl of WINCH4tEIi said, that he was sure
that no individual who knew his character would ever
accuse him of listing to do that itialiiectly which
did not dare to. do directly. Sentiments lied been made
public tending to lower the estimation of that, House
with the riblio. There was not en's public jouroal
which did not contain such sentiments; and which did
not declare that they emanated from a certain quarter,
and every honourable feeline should make their Lord-
ships support the dignity of that House. If intEnda-
tions were thrown out under the sanction of authority,
reflecting on their character, they were bound to etand
forward and boldly disavow them. He repeated, tit' t
k was not from the motives alleged that he had been
actuated, nor bad the party he voted with been actuated
by any such motives; but they had voted as they had
done, because they conceived it would be for the puWic
benefit, and no man had a right to say otherwbe
(Hear, hear).—.Hs felt warmly on this subject—(Hear.
hear).—He came into the House ready to sacrifice every
shilling of his property, and trample under lot every
thing he possessed, rather than sacrifice one particle of
• that honourable feeling which he possessed, and which
was dearer to him than every thing else. He stated,
that the high character of poblic men, of those who
had contributed to ennoble their country by their deeds,
giving birth to those sentiments which were dear to the
hearts and feelings of Britons, in particular the cha-
racter of that illustrious and distinguished individual
whose genius, and valour, and military skill had placed
this country on an unrivalled eminence, had been basely
traduced. The character of that illustrious individual
stood too high to be assailed by the shafts of slander.
It needed no vindication from his bumble talents; and
it needed no vindication from the talents and abilities
of that House before the whole kingdom. Whether the
blow were struck by the highest or the lowest. that
blow would be met by the just indignation of every
high-minded and honoarable man in the nations
(Loud cheers).
Viscount GODERICH begged to be permitted to say,
that he did not comprehend the grounds on which their
Lordships were called on to discuss the language which
had been used elsewhere; but he nether knew where
nor what the language was. The Noble Earl began, as
he understood, by referring to certain public meetings,
and where some observations had been made reflecting
on the character of that House. He did not think the
eharacter of their Lordships could secure any vindica-
tion against observations made beyond its walls—(Hear,
boa* He hardly knew what the Noble Earl alluded to,
end he might be supposed not to feel so keenly as the
Noble Earl for the honour of that House, of which be
• (Lad flioderich) bad so recently become a member;
but ac far as be could judge, by the feelings of a Geo-
• denim be could not conceive there was any occasioo
far invoking the assistance of those with whom he was
accustomed to act, in the discharge of his public duty.
spinet the cornmentsof other individuals not connected
with that part of the Legislature, and when it was nix'
even stated where they bad been made. What had been
stated by the Noble Lord on the Woolsack was perfectly
consistent with the rules of the House; and to proceed
according to them would be more agreeable to their
Lordships, and more satisfactory to their feelings, than
to endeavour, as the Noble Earl had done, even though
be admitted it was irregular, to state circumstances in-
directly to their Lordship, and leave them to guess
what was meant. The Noble Earl must feel that it
would be impossible that the duty of both branches of
to Legislature could be performed with any advantage
to the public interests, if individuals indulged them-
selves perpetually in making comments of that sort.—
There had been remarks made in that House on indivi-
duals in the other Howe of Parliament, imputing to'
them sentiments they had never deliveted—(Hear,
hear). He said, that imputations had been ascribed
daring a late discussion, and remarks hat been made
on individuals which were unfounded; and words had
been put into their mouths which they had never utter-
ed, and which nobody had any authority for saying
they ever did utter; and he was not di-posed therefore—
at least, he was less disposed than the Noble Earl—to
take up matter of that description with such warmth
and vehemence as would render it impossible that pub-
tic busin.,ss should be carried on—(Hear, hear.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR begged to set himself
right with his Noble Friend. He did not say that his
Noble Friend would do that indirectly he ought not to
do directly. On the contrary, he had merely said, that'
the course he was pursuing had that tendency, and he
put it to him, knowing that be would not do it.
Earl GREY expressed his concurrence with what
bad fallen from the Noble Lord on the Woolsack. It
certainly was the rule of the House that no allusion
should be made to proceedings of the other House of
Parliament; but in practice, deviations from this rule
were repeatedly suffered. There were occasions on,
which nu inconvenience wouhl arise from not adhering
to the rule ; but, as to the rule. be entirely arced se. it
the Noble Lord on the Woolsack But if st were
convenient to allude to the discussion's in the other House
of Parliament, there was nothing so inconvenient, so•
dangerous, or so destructive to tAc character of both
Houses of Parliament, and, consequently to the Con-
stitution of the counts y, as the practice which had lately
grown up of questioning in idler .Hnase the motives of
individuals acting in the discharge of their legislative
duty. These was nothing more dangemns than gees.
tioning the Motives for the decisions of individual, in
such a matineras to cast reflections en either branch of
the Legislature an the discharge of its duty. However
right °sigma; such a practice, it was a treat fault—