Star.
London, England, 1817-06-24 00:00:00

Cfty thousand. nut whets asked on the oilijce;, he
contented himself with saying, that about 7thooti had
been assembled at Spafields, and were, no dni,,, sit
friends to the cause.—Could ar.y thing be more likely
to induce the people of the coo ati y to acts of inset.
rectioto as for a person woo represeided a;
the Delegate from London, to tril them that dies
country unlit rise first, and that the tnetor
s weuld
follow its example ? He did not charge Ministers
with having Oven th.cse orders, but he chewed what
were likely to be the effects' of the conduct of tk:s
Oliver. Pe had internatt d this man himself in
the Comtnittee, and had asked him—" When yon
talk of sending 13 Londor to ascertain the disposition
of the people, do you knout, or did you ever hear
any soc:Lty or .Issociation there intended to co-operate
with the disaffected in the country r Tne answer
was Ido lint, and I never did." He asked him
them, " Do you know of any Gentleman in town ct
country et any rank and fortune who was ready to
join and assist the corspiracy !" Tl.e sortie answer
v.as returned, " I do not, and 1 rover dad" Ha%
the name of any person been con:mut:leased to Too
as the organ through whom the disaffected in t0».4
might hold a cot respondence with those in the coml.
try ?'"fhe reply was again, " I know of no such
name, for none has ever been commanic.ved to me."
This sheaved how things bad been worked up in t!.e
country, and how despicable the tome of those pro.
sons roust be, when not only no ac.cociation, but
individual of any rank of fortune in the country was
inclined to support them. This proved that there
was no reason for making such an itiroad in the Coa-
stitution as to continue tor six weeks after the opening
of next Session the Suspension of the Habeas Act.—
That some disposition to rise existed in certain dis-
tricts was undoubtedly the case; but was that a rea-
son why the punishment should be ex,ended to all
Englansl ? He did not think the measure proposed
calculated to put an end to the disturbances. Le-
gislation adapted to places and to offences would alone
be effective. It was incumbent on his Majesty's Mi.
misters to sift out to the bottom that systemot Ludzism,
to prosecute its members without mercy, and to put
down the system altogether. Until then, the country
would never enjoy complete tranquillity. It would
net be sufficient to hang a man or two, but to pot
slow!, the system altogether ; for those wretches had
wrought their minds to such a degree of indifference,
I not only to the property, but to the lives of others,
that for a small sum, even as low as twenty shillings,
they would bind themselves to shoot any individual
whom they had never seen before. This was the first
time, in the history of England, that bands of Eng-
lishmen would bite themselves to destroy their fellow.
creatures. To suspend the Habeas Corpus, to ren-
der every man's liberty precarious, and subject to the
will ct a Minister of St ite, would not produce the
intended effect. It would, on the contrary, oenl to
increase crimes, by exciting a stronger feeling amongst
the ignorant classes kgainst a Govetionent that
adopted such measures. And what gael would re.
stilt from taking up a suspected character, and tinnier.
him loose on the country six months alter ? It would
be a totally mistaken legislation—( Hear, hear.)—The
only thing I-necessary would be, to enact capital pe-
nalties fur those crimes to which he had alluded. He
should now ask the House, whether it did nut appear
that the insurrectionary proceedings in the country
had been impelled by the appearance of Oliver, as a
delegate from Loudon, and whether the necessity o'3
the measure was not lessened by the fact, that es,
single association or individual was found in London.
I ready to assist the insurgents ? In I S 12, statements
infinitely stronger, and bearing a mere decided cha—
racter of treason and rebellion, had been made by
the Secret Committee, but the suspension s.f the Ha-
beas Corpus was not thought of, as it would have
been entirely inapplicable. He was convinced that
There did not exist greater necessity at present for sur-
rendering for a time the liberties of the country, thaa
at that period— ( Hear.)

Mr. LEGIT KECK stated, that the Magistratcer
and those who were best acquainted with the local
circumstances of the disturbed districts, were of opi,-
nion that the only measure which could efrectinly
repress insurrection, was the suspension of the Ha-
beas Corpus. He then vindicated the Magistrates
from the charge of inactivity, and contended Oat
they exposed even their lives in the fultilmcnt ot thaiti
duties. It was not in the power of the ordinary laws
to put clown Luddism. He maintained, though h*
did not know him personally, that Oiiver's moral
character was subject to no imputation—(Year, /mar,
from the Umorition).—He then stated that the Grand
Juries of Leicester, Derby, and Nottingham, had re-
commended the re-enactment nt Frame Breaking
Bill, us the only remedy capable or counteracting
existing evils—(Hear, he or, frob: :he Witio:iiien).

Mr. ABERCROMBIE had n.ver heard a less
convincing speech. 'lite Iloaourable Member bud
dealt in assertions, bat witi.out giving any reason to
prove them, or if he did, his season went directly
against the assertions which he had made. Thus he
had stated, that according to tin• opinion of the Ma-
gistrates, the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Art
was the only measure which could prove effective,
and then he added, that the cruad Juries of LOces-
ter, Derby. and Nottingham, had recommendet the
re-enactment tof the Frame Breaking Bill as the only
remedy to existing dangers, an.. that at the very time
when the Suspension of the habeas Corpus was in
force. This gave a forcible contradiction to the ne-
cessity of that measure. 41..; to Oliver, i.e was asto-
nished, after what had been he..rd of hint this nights
that any man could be found in that House to says
that his moral character was tit:impeached. He ob-
jected to intrustiug powers like the p:escot to a person
against whom so many coilstitut'iial exceptions had
lately been rated. He all aded to the case of tire
Reading Jail, Lord Si•ini. uth's Circular, and the
employment of Oliver. He maintained, that as long
as Miristers suspended the Habeas Corpus
brought on trials for cf,nsit uctive treason, the;, would
obtain no Convictions, but would contribute to alienate
the hearts of the people from their Govei tmor.
Mr. BARCLAY cootended, th.it the Noble Lord
had magnified the greatness of the evil, and dimi-
nished the strength of the laws ahead), in existence
to repress it. The Report alone was sufricient to
prove the total imbecili:y of the?pers,,nb iceres:uteci .t;
combining to overturn the Government. hk agrtea
with the Chancellor of the li:scheT,er that the sLail.!
of the cou f was improving, anti tfiGiip;fit that that
improvefeent wOula let effectively tonal& pa: