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PARLMMENTARr PROCEEDINGS. PA RLIAMENTA RY REFORM. • .
• . The Hon. T. BRAND—" Mr. Speaker, I rise in
HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY IS. pursuance of a former notice, which stands for this
The X 4,900,000 Loan Bill, some local and private Bills woo this day, respecting ,Parliamentary Reform, having
brought up from the Commons, by Mr. LUSHINGTON alai been advised by several of my friends to withdraw
other Members, and read a lint time. . 2 .14%11a t motion for the present, to make room for other
The Inland &al Bill was read a second time, and 'mum . matters of greater immediate importance. I console
for Monday. .
myself with the reflection, that when I do bring this
Tke Report of the Insolvent Debtors' Bill was orderediee4* •1
received on Tuesday, and tke Lords to be summoned. .'. i matter before the House, it will meet with such sup-
BERKELEY PEERAGE. port as it may deserve. The performance of indispen-
There was a fuller attendance of Peers in the Committee of sable business calls me out of town from the duties of
Privileges this day than on any preceding. Sir Samuel Romilly, ,
ttais House; therefore, Sir, I beg leave that the mo-
onthe part of the Claimant, spoke at great length upon the evi-
stand over till the early part of next month."
dente which had already been adduced on this important case; Lion
About half-past five the Learned Counsel concluded his argu- BULLION.
mints in support of his claim, and the Committee adjourned till I The House having resolved itself into a Committee
two o'clock to-morrow. . to take into further consideration the Report of the
DIVORCE BILLS.
• • Bullion Committee.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it appeared to him proper i. m. -
1 r. TIERNEY said, that
'should be taken v- n the further --

of ruinous projects, as they were a Corporation no:
'having any, strictly speaking, political duties to per.
form, their acquiescence could not be imputed to
them as a crime. He hoped that the House would,
this night, evince a disposition to restore affairs tt
that state from which it would have been most fortu-
nate if we had never departed. He would then pro•
pose an amendment to the third Resolution. After
the word " That," should be inserted, ".That it is
highly. important for the public welfare, that the re.
I strictions now imposed on the Bank in cash payments,
should be removed at a period when it appeared pro.
per by Parliament for the public safety; and that
during the suspension, the Directors of the
should regulate their issue of Paper acc, r.ling:y ;
bearing still in mind, that at a period, perhaps net
far distant, they would need to resume their cash
Payments."

ab5i,.....0 .
e discussion, l-
on the House at so late a pert d of th Sir JOHN SINCLAIR, after a few prefatory ob.
but he was forced to do so by the circumstances of the l'servations on the general tendency of the Builioe Re.
case. He could not leave any thing unsaid that might port, recommended to the House to look abroad to
throw light on so important a subject, though the ne- the state of countries that had bullion. China, with
cesssity for his exertiuns was greatly reduced by the its population of 333 millions, had no coin : but there
very able discussion which the question had already was enough of bullion at least in China, and the Chi.
undergone, -a discussion, in thecourse of which the nese called it (and it was a coincidence extremely
House had witnessed perhaps a greater display of well worth observing by the House) —they actually
ability than on any similar occasion. In particular, called it by the name of ~ cash." What then be.
he could not sufficiently applaud the accuracy, the 'came of the argument, that coin was necessary ?
learning, and the depth of reasoning/ that had The Chinese could do without coin. That was a
been evinced by his Honourable Friend who moved plain, an obvious, a demonstrable thing. They had
the original Resolutions ; nor would he, after his silver, it was true, which passed in commerce ; but
very luminous statement, have thought it necessary to they had no coin—(Hear.) He would like to hear
trouble the House with a single remark upon the the Chairman of the Bullion Committee proving
HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY IS. subject, if it were not that he differed from him in the necessity of coin to a Chinese Mandarin.--
The Timber Duty Bill was read a second time, one very essential point, namely, the resumption Of. The paper of England could not fall, because it was
The Disdilery Bill was read a first time. I cash payments by the Bank at the end of two years ; never issued but for real value, such as merchants'
The Foreign I.inen Bill was read a second time, and ordered indeed he considered that the specifying any time for bills and Government Securities. It had all the ad.
to be committed to-morrow. that purpose could not but be attended with injurious vantages of a gold or silver currency; it could be ea-
The Copper Duty Bill went through a Committee.—Report to
be received to-morrow. effects. But the House had gene further in their con- changed for goods; it could buy any thing; if a man
The Distillers' Indemnity Bill was postponed till to-morrow. damnation of the resolutions of his Hon. and Learned had but enough of it.—(Hear.)— It could buy an es-
The British Calico Bill was read a third time and passed. Friend ; and not content with negativing them, had tate ; it could buy the best house in London, and the
The Irish Militia Volunteering Bill went through a Committee. adopted the most singular ones which had been op- best furniture ; still, provided a man had enough of
—Report ordvred to be received to-morrow. .
posed to them by his Hon. Friend. The depreciation it.—(Hear.)--There were six obvious advantages at-
Committee on the export of salted Beef from Ireland to report P
to-morrow. lof our currency with respect to its use in our inten- tending a paper circulation ; Ist, that it was easily
The Newfoundland Prize Coins Bill was read a first time, fiii tied intercourse with foreign nations bad been admit- procured, and easily secured ; 2dly, that it might be
and ordered to he read a second time. ted. Now for his part he could not conceive any produced to any amount ; 3dly, that it allowed the
. The Quarantine Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be difference between foieign and domestic deprecia- gold to go out of the country ; the advafttage of this
read a second time to-morrow.
A Message from the Lords announced their assent to thg Inn-
tion ;—it was a most vain distinction that had been was evidently of the highest orders if die Government
keepers' Allowance Bill, and others. dem n ; there had been numerous instances quoted or the country had any occasion to export gold (Hear.)
The second reading of the Bill enabling Justices to apprehend by which the fact had been established, that two ithly, that its manufacture was not so expensiveas that
the reputed Fathers of illegitimate Children in astra-Parochial prices, founded on the different values set on paper ,of coin ; sthly, that it rendered us independent of tither
I Places, was postponed till Friday. ..
I The Custom-House Regulation Bill passed through a Corn- and gold, 'were not uncommon even in our home, countries for a medium of circulation ; and 6thly, that
mittee of the whole House, several amendments were made, and traffic ; and if that were -the case, it must altogether paper money had a magical influence on the prosperity
the Report ordered to be received co-morrow. overthrow the proposition cont.iined•in the Resolution of a country. We saw the public loans talied every
The House went into a Committee on the importation of Rum of his Hon. Friend, that the cuntancy was not depre. day with more ease. We saw canals, navigations, and
from Lower Canada, the Report of which was ordered to be re-
ceived to morrow. elated in public estimation. He could viish, however, roads in every direction. England now di led _.sp.ay... a
mr.mbßitts moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the that some word more explanatory of the fact were. sight unparalleled in Europe., She was cultivating; ,
Act made in the 65th year of George 111, chap. 52, for the pur- substituted for that-of depreciation.' When he coil.. making highways, and carrying on the commerce of
pose of enabling Justices of Assize to remand prisoners back to tended that the paper of • the Bank- was' depreciated', the universe with one hand, while With* the other the
the prison of Welt special Jurisdiction, for the execution of their
he /lid not mean to say that any ,discredit was et. was combating the Tyrant of Europe and all his myr.
I sentence.
Mr. Rose brought in a Bill for taking off certain Duties from cached to it, but merely that it was reduced in ea.:. midons. And was it in the contemplation of any
vessels sailing from Sr. John, Newfoundland, to the Coast of La- lue, in consequence of an excessive issue; and how man,. was it possible that any man could advise us
bradores—Read a first time. that fact could be for a moment disputed, was a to throw away all those inestimable advantages e Lich
Mr. Pots moved for leave to bring in a Bill to-morrow, hay-
matter cif cdficein ancrasfriiiishisienf. It might.be arose out of paper currency ? And who were the
log for its object to change the punishment of persons sentenced
to transportation in Ireland to confinement and hard labour.— true that it' small_ dealings between two individu- persons that called so loudly for bullion? A set of
Leave granted. - ale lo- difference would be made between paper Mad speculating politicians, metaphysicians, modern Jll-
- House went into a Committee on Acts relating to Light- CoirciiritiS-CiWil for instince,he-WOULI not lb-e- tempi dare: who would turn every citing they touched into
houses, and several regulations having been agreed to, the Speaker
ted to make any while the &fired:, tion did not exceed, gold. (Hear!) • The ancient Phrygian sage must
resumed the Chair, and the Report was ordered to he received
tomorrow. • its present limits; but to say that in the more extend- have ldoked with deligot upon the hicubrations of
In a Committee of the House moved for by Mr. Forms, a ed transaction of commerce, the temptation to break the Committee. His spirit inspired the rseport, yet
d Resolution was passe rest finding
certain Duties ore the P rizge
the laws by • which the sale of coin was prohibited he (Sir J. Sinclair) believed that it would not be a dip
and Bedtime of Wines in Ireland.—Report ordered to be reed,- would be often resisted, was to assume what was at ;in the Thames, the Tweed, or the Shannon, that
TA morrow,
The Cotton Wool Duty. Bill Vida committed.—Report tct. variance with all known principles of human nature. I would help them to get rid of their metallic phrenzy.
morrow. By most writers on subjects of this nature, laws of Sir John then read an extract from a pamphlet, c::
On the motion of Mr. Rose, leave was given to bring in a bill this nature were considered as of doubtful policy at the present state of France, by Dupont. This refined
imposing a duty of is. Gd. per hundred weight on Potash impor-
ted from any other than our own colonic*. lead, but by a, the inefficiency of their operation to the state of the Paris bank. " A miserable thing,
Mr. W. POLE expressed a wish that the Hon. Gentleman up- was fully . admitted. He would propose that the I Sir, (said Sir John S. a wretched establishment; n e
pocite (Mr. Pasaecc), who had a motion standing fey to-nier- • House thouldlrome to a vote against the Resolution two millions capital" But what did Dupont say of
row respecting Irish Tithes, would postpone it for the present, he had alluded to, by which Mlle equality of gold and India, why re all the Bullion of Europe had been
Mr. PAR NEI.L had no objection to comply with such request, , paper,
and postponed his motion to Thursday se'unight. in public estimation, had been asserted ;it had going so long? India never could get enough of
beeq repeatedly refuted, and no extravagance had metal. In India there was no paper currency; the
EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
Mr. W. POLE moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the ap- ever been better tried by the test of ridicule. On its people were desirous of immediate payment. and act
pointinent of Commissioners of Public Classical Education in Ire- being negatived, he would substitute .others of his fond of trusting to bonds and promises. This was a
land, and for the Regulation of the several endowed Grammar own, by which the whole of what had been proposed pretty state for a trading nation. The interest of mo.
Schools. This was founded on a Report made upon the state of
by
his Hon. Friend would be got rid of. Among ney was high; and, to conclude in the words'of the
these schools, after a laborious investigation. He stated, that
them there was not one which should be viewed with French writer, "In India the poor were wretched, and
every Clergyman in Ireland, on getting a living, took an oath to
have a school kept in the parish. The way was, however, to a greater degree of suspicion than that.by which our the great wicked and powerful:a Here was an instance
give *l. to a schoolmaster for this purpose, who might keep the difficulties were referred to the state of our foreign of a people without/ a paper currency. The fall of
school, or pocket the money without, as he chose. This required trade, consequent on the decrees of the enemy. It American and other foreign paper had been alludeA
amendment.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT and Mr. WILBERFORCE were glad went to divert the attention of the country from the to, but it was totally different from ours: it was Go-
that this measure had come forward at last, and hoped the cies realaburce of the malady, and its appropriate remedy, vernment paper; its circulation was forced,it was issued
anion of it would not be delayed longer than the next Session. that was a reduction of our Paper- He would not in excess, and it was depreciated in consequence, till it
miccELLANEous ESTIMATES. admit the doctrine that the measure would cause the fell to nothing. Look at the difference of our paper;
In a Committee of Supply the following sums were voted— ruin of the country, on the contrary, its salvation it was only issued for value •it was not liable to an
Westminster Improvement - • - £14,000
would be the result. His Friend had talked cf excessive issue, nor to be depreciated. There were
Naval Asylum - - - 47,882
To pay off Exchequer Bills issued on account a madman in Abyssinia, the amount of whose insani- three things which would prevent this depreciation :
of the East-huli a Company, last year . 1,500,000 Ity he was sure could not exceed that of those persons Ist. Its passing as value from hand to hand. 2di. Its
Other Exchequer Bills for 1510 • 4,500,00) who imagined that all the 'necessary inconveniencies .being received at the Exchequer in payment for taxes.
Other Exchequer Bills - - 2,500,000 of war were to be remedied by a Bank restriction-. 3d. Its security from excess, so long as it did nor ex.
British Museum . - 7999 19 8
To Mr. Davis, for losses sustained by him from, i But this measure was not now considered as a tern. teed the amount of the annual Revenue. Some Gen-
imp, ovcnients in the Marshalsea Prison 4615 I porary expedient to enable us to bear up,unsier more tiemen had been in the habit of talking as if they
Mr. ROSE stated. that by the improved regulations of admis- than ordinary difficulties, and its continuance was feared for the stabilay of the country ; but there was
sion into the British Museum, 29,000 were admitted in a season
instead of 1.5,000 as before, and with liberty to remain, in any of now advocated, not on the former system, but as part one source of consolation on uhf's point. Let those
the rooms as long as they pleased.—Report to-morrow. '
of one from which the country was to deri re prima- Gentlemen consider the small advance of our national
- EAST-INDIA PETITION. nent benefit. This doctrine had been delivered in sub- debt of late years, and the small increase of our ex.
The House, on the motion of Mr. DUNDAS went into a stance by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it was penditure, and they would see how idle their fears
Committee on the East India Company's Petition, or liberty to fraught with mischief to the country, and he did in- were. Let them examine the•rwatter in this point of
raise two millions on bonds. ' ' dulge a hope that be should be able to prevail on the view, and see how little ground there was for their
Mr. CREEVEY hoped before the Bill should be read a second ' House to disavow it.
time, that a full statement of the Company's affairs should be • He was averse, indeed, to groundless apprehension. It was a saying of the
name a day when. Bank should be compelled to treat Frederick, " that it was lucky that the reason-
laid before the House.
Mr. DUNDAS engaged that no time should be lost in making resume its payments; it was admitted that it could ing of metaphysicians had no influence on the quarters
out the account from documents arrived from India a few days not do so at present, and who could pretend to say, loaf."--(Hear.)—There were three links of an Ern-
ago. * that as impervious obstacles_ would not exist at the pire ;an established Religion, An established Cenveln•
The Chairman, on the motion of Mr. ROBARTS, was then
directed to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the above pur- end of two years. He conceived, that even rte too- (gent, and an established Currency. And would it
phse. Leave moved for, Bill brought In, read a first, and ordered tingent resumption of payments now fixed on was become the House of Commons to shake one of tho'.:
to be read a second time to-morrow. 4 liable to much objection, there was no period when links ? The House might decide on-the present pie '
BOARD or cos-revue. 1 gold would be of more difficult attainment than im. tion as they pleased; btu it wits his firm belief, ih..t
Mr. DUNDAS brought up the Board of Controul SalaryfAug. mediately after a peace. He thought it would he in their vote upon tbe present measure. they includA
munition Bill. He said nothing as to the Salaries of the Com- sufficient, if the principle were acknowledged by Par- , the fate of 'A Is4Averfui Empime-e(Hear, hear.)
missieners; but It was absolutely necessary to augment the Sa- 11 - liament, that a Bank restriction was justifiable only Mr. WI-11 ['BREAD, i allusion to Wale exprei-
laries of the Clerks in the President's Office. The expence of
that Office had been confined to 211,000 in 1798, and no tug- r
by necessity - he wished it to be kept as it was in its sions of Sir J. Sinclair in a former debate, said, that
mentation had been made since. An addition of 23000 only was origin, entirely separate from commercial concern : though the Honourable Baronet had changed his
wanted. . it was imposed merely in order to enable the Bank to mind upon the currency, he had no right. to suppose
Mr. CREEVEY thought the salary of the President might be
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supply such sums as might be necessary for the trans. that others had done the some upon other subjects.
augmented by diminishing the alloivances to the Commissioners.
He also stated, that Mr. Dundee and his father, Lord Melville actions of the Government; but subsequently, a dis. The Honourable Baronet had changed his mind just
had between them 211,000 a-year out of the public money. The graceful partnership, disgraceful at least to one of the in time to be made a Privy Councilior. (ho. iron
, laborious office might be executed at a toss salary, in considers. contracting parties, had taken place between the Bank the oftitotikeide.) Well, it was not lust then* it the
' don of the sinecure. and the people. A loan of three millions had been Honourable Baronet would have it so ; but it was just
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUkR said, that pen-
dons were granted sometimes with a proviso, that if the grantee 'red for the public service. in assenting to which then that the Honourable Baronet had signitied.his
remit
,game into a valuable office, the pension should cease. But that it was perfectly natural for the Bank to require a determination to publish a pamphlet on the question,
and not apply to the present case, corresponding advantage ; it was granted, and the and that pamphlet on the Government side. (Hear.)
Lord FOLKSTONE stated, that the Chancellor of the Exche- loan repeated to a similar amount. In all this he It was, however, not fair to impute to him (Mr.Whit-
7seier himself, much, to his credit. had waved his salary for cue '
ace,. when he took another much more lucrative. did not conceive the Bank in the least to blame. Tbc bread), any of the versatility which the Honourable
, After some observations from Mr. Tierney, Mr. Wynn., and Proprietors had sought a fair and legitimate project, Baronet might feel, As to the opinion which he
tMa Dundas, the Bill was reads first time, and ordered to lie and if, those who managed the public interests had (Mr.Whitbread) had delivered with respect to the
tead a mend time to-morrow. . made use of their assistance for the accomplishment campaign in Portugal, he had spoken from all that

ie was sr,rry to intrude

the sense of the Houseshotu....se to _.. upon . _ lot._ stages
of Lord Cluncurry's and Loved A's Divorce Bills, pail icularly as
to the clause which was necessary to be inserted in every: Bill of
this description, according to their Lordships Standing Order.—
Besides, in the case of Loveden there was a circumstance of
which the House had but one precedent—namely, that nn da-
mages had been given. 'There was one instance, indeed, hut it
appeared no action had beds► brought—and so far it was different
from the facts atteuding this Bill, beciuse an action had been
brought, and the verdict was found against him. He did nos
mention this circumstance as suggesting any objection to the Bill,
for it was possible a case might arise where the evidence might
oot sanction the verdict of a Jury, and yet the evidence admis-
sible at their Lordships' Bar might induce their House to receive
the Bill of Divorce. On these grounds he proposed that the Bills
should, after proceeding in that stage appointed for this diy, be
further proceeded in on Monday next, (or which day he sittiold
move that the Lords be.summoweel.—.-Ordered.—Adjourned.