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as I before obterved it wa.. the Provielen.:r
which revolted that man who rules 1.... ace tit ant
acceding to terms which mull have laid d.c founda-
tion of tuin to this country; and now that oa fee
your danger, would you renew the terms that mini
revive it? certainly not. If you do not truth the
power of that enemy, there is no peace, no fe.rurity
for this country. You mutt make up your minds
therefore, to face the danger, if you with to tut mount
it; and white, my Lords, we fay to his Majefly's
Minifiers, here are our purfes and our properties at
your difpnfal for the public defence, we mull look to
them for a heavy refponfibility to us in their dilpofal
of thole means; and we 111411 feel it our duty to prefs
them home for any abufe of the confidence we repofe.
My Lore., I do not objeft to the motion, nor the
plan propofed by the Noble Secretary ; I decline of-.
feting any fuggeflion of my own, becaufe I had ra•
then let the chain go on, though it be of an inferior
fabric, than rift; its flapping by offering to fuhltitate
any links of my own fabric. I am tit.id, my Lords,
this difeufflon came forward, becaufe I think it would
have been mifilievous if the ;Akers bad paired with-
out it. I agree with the Noble 1..0rd on the wonlitek,
that aithntigh the difettiii,,n vas in fon:e degree dif.
orderly, yet it has led to a good purpole." His Lord-
!hip concluded by cordirily voting fir the Addrefs.
Lord DAL:Lot:AV r rof.:, and prufefred his fulleft coin-
cidence in the eloopoent, .;v, pauintic,and
fpecch of the Noble L-rd who jun fir down, and
whole lemiments he trailed would operate to the ani-
rmoion of t very Briti:h ni on the prelent molt
arduous o•cafinn. With relpal to the propofition
bro .ht int ward by the Nooble Secretary of State for
the defence of the Country, he had tome oblations.
Tie fully coincided in the idea, that war merely de-
fenfive was no defence at all ; and that to be defended
we mull be prepared to make War on the enemy.—
The great principle upon which he thought it would
he wife to aft, however, would be, in the tirß inßance,
to provide for our internal tenuity, and next for of-
fentive War. He would, therefine, have the 40,c00
men railed rather by bounty than ballot, and ti:e
priciple of the ferrite for which they were engaged
clearly explained to them. For it was the chara&r
of British foldiers_and feamen, which he well knew
from having !pent his life amongli them, that if
they were fairly told the duty expeded of them, be
it ever fo arduous, it was done with cheerfulnefs ;
but the leafi attempt to impale upon them a duty be-
yond their engagement, broke down all confidence;
and nothing was to be afterwards expetled from them
but what was exalted by force : he would, therefore,
have it always underftood that one-third of this body,
and no more, at any one time, was to be difpofable
for foreign ferrite.
Lord L; usetce role in anfwer to what had fallen
from an Marion' Duke, for whore perfon he profef-
fed the flroiseft attachment, and for whofe talents
he had the highea refpe& The illullrious Duke had
recommended, in preference to the plan propofed by
the Noble Secretary of State, that the 40,000 men
Gould be railed, not for the interior defence of thefe
realms, but who might be forced to go wherever the
exigencies of the State might require—to the Eaft or
Weft Indies—to the Coaa of Africa, or elfewhere :
but with great humility and deference, he proteaed
againa fuck a principle as one to which the people of
Great Britain and Ireland were unaccuflomed ; and
one to which men chofen by ballot, and torn from
their families for the defence of their Country, ought
not to be fubjefted. In anfwer to what had fallen
from a Noble E al (Caernarvon), whom he did
not now fee in his place ; he trufted, that when he
talked of refitting this mealure in every part of its
detail, he only fpoke in the warmth of debate. and
could never have meant to refit that which fhould
have once met the fanetion of the Legislature.
The Duke of CLARINCZ role to explain; and af-
fined the Houle and the Noble Earl, that if the
word r force' had efcaped him, it was perfealy a
bpj;:, Fugue dropped in the warmth of debate, and not
by any means expreffive of any meaning in his mind,
contrary to theConftitntional rights of Britifil filbjeas.
The Duke of RICHMOND deprecated the mode cf
railing the propofed force by ballot, as one extremely
oppreilive, after the country had already fulLined
one ballot for the Ordinary Militia, and was now un-
dergoing another for the Supplementary Militia,
which was by nn means complete. 1-1 k Grace laid
be bad himfelf the honour to commaad a Regiment
of Militia, whole full complement was 800 men, and
they were not yet completed by zoo. In one dial ill,
where 75 men were drawn by balk t, only is were
and to ferve, the rea all paid a fine of 201. each ;
end fubltitittes could not be got. He feared, if the
country was to be fubjeaed to a new ballot for thofe
40,000 men, the wont confequence would wife, as
the men mull he drawn chiefly from the manta:o.lr-
ing and agricultural elafre!, and Wide; the builaels
would put a total flop to the recruiting fees ice for the
line, to which the procuring fubilitutes fur the Mi-
litia had been always injurious.
Earl FierwiLLlAM (poke at tome length, much to
the fame purport.
Lord GRFNvitLor wale, and alined the Houfe, he
fhould confine himlelf Itliftly to older in adhering to
the quettion before the Houle ; and fu far did he
think the opening of this plan by the Secretary of
State, and the diteuffion thereupon from being difor-
derly, that the explanation of that plan was the very
realon for the vote he flinuld this night give in flipport
of the Addrefs; and which vote he would not have
given, if the explanation had not been made. The
Noble Loi J esprelfed in thong terms his reprobation
to the topinenefs and lailitude of thole Minilteis, who
mill have known, from the co:whit-ion of the treaty
oh Anions to 0- prefer t minute, the moral imperil-
bait!, of maintaining price; who f!) long ago AS the
month of March announced to that honk the nrcegiv
of armit.g the country for war ; who now. in a month
after war has been aftnally commenced, and after
their repeated rt‘,•wals ,)t the prrp-truonr... of :Lc ene-
my tr. .•le.•.te this nonar y, after that ettentr had le-
Ulan y le:ecd norm the Dator ate of Ilan ver, 0- !y
this r•-ht came L!nm.r. t.i to it l'In;11,: t.i p 7 !!!!'!it. a pi i !
thr tairwo-; the voice t 4••, onoise
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wer,: r.t..• !t. ; • .1 after
my g•nle Ihrnur.h tie to' in 1: a P • r 1. ;:t
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7re.lreely it in Mil: any fettlfl4.
;•; ••;:, in 1-•••1:;:i...n of the cr,t.:llrt y, altdd he
iii!Tit ode, and ncglea:fo nnpat,..
:inn 0,12, •• to T,H;;),,.5., to inch t pet i:•1 thaprofits.
ft.7:00 f•••• ra.ll:;._ .1.1 my for the elet:-rv.ce of the coua-
try, ; it r•;.:11,1 he railed, wo.old trill remain to
he arn.,d rh.iphned, before it could be put •
;prate any relittance to an enemy, whom every hour
we bad reaCon to espcet on our coats;. The Noble
Loud then adverted to the Peace of Amiens, and
other rscent topics torn which he }...td before founder!
the reprobation, of Miniaers, and raticulatly the chi*
banding the Militia, which they were criminally re
prehenfible in doing, in the (late which they knew the
country to. (land. He fully coincided in the fentiments
fo eloquently cspreifed by the Noble Lord on the
floor (Lord Moira) and initead of the ballot being
carried on for thole 40,000 men, before the militia
was Complete or the troops of the line recruited, he
re- amenended filling up the old Corps, as the bell
and leafl expenfive mode of rendering an efficient
,force to the country. With refpea to what had fallen
in debate on the fubjea of coufcription, however un•
popular the opinion might he, he was willing to bear
his own !hare in the onpopulat icy, ia avowing that
it was of the very effenceof all Governments, and
the very compafl of all focicties, tha: the Government
load a tight to call upon the whole, or any part of
its fubjesfts, for common dcfcnce ag::infi a common
enemy, in return fur the prole :aim they enjoyed un-
der that Government. It was already the cafe with
feamcn, and was equally jitltifidble towards any other
chili of fubjeds when politic dan-sr required it.
Lord lio BA& r obferved, that when the Noble Lord
filled tlt-r, office of Minifier for the Foreign Depart.
men: during the late war, he had his fupport, and
AtrndS 11..vq :Jai it lb long as the war continued, and
he had a feat in that Houle. Ile alfo thanked the
• Noble Lord for his readincfs to take his (hare in
1 the unpopularity of a mcafore, to which he trufled
there would be no occanon to retort. But he could

have willted that the No!)L Lord, and many others,
who had taken the rural:: to give that condemnation
which he had anticipated to the mcafure of defence he
propoced, would have been fo good as to fuggeft fome
better in its place. It was not his porpore to go
back with tae Isl,ble Lord to :he topic of the Treaty
of Amiens. With refpeft to the difuanding °film Mi-
litia, it was done, as of courfz, by the conclufton of
the peace. He was ready to acknowledge that the
occallon for re-embodying them fo fpeedily followal
their dilbandment; that it had been impradicable to
hsve completed them fo Soon as could be wifhed.—
However, upon this ground, no jut blame could at-
tach to his Majefty's Idiniders I—for they had iffned
orders, as fpeedily as was poffible, to the Lords Lieu-
tenants in their refpedive counties, to proceed with as
much expedition as poffible to ballot and enroll the
new militia ; and that this was not efFeCted fa cape.
ditioufly as it ought, was owing to fome negligence in
that quarter ; the rcrult of which he was tree to ac-
knowledge, bad been that the ballot for the militia
and the recruiting for the line came fo dole together,
that the one very materially impeded the other. The
Noble Lord had with great feverity arraigned the con-
dud, and under-rated the talents of his Majefty's pre.
fent Minitters ; but it mud not be forgotten, that even
the Noble Lord, with all his abilities, was not exempt
from misfortunes when he was in power, and that the
Continent was loft in that very period when be was at
the head of foreign affairs.
Lord GILLNVILLE again role, and raid there was
no point of view in which he cleared more to have
his condud eonfidered, than in contraft with the con-
duet of his Majefty's prefent Miniders, and more par-
ticularly with refped to the Continent, where, during
the whole of the war, that part of &kith territory
was prelerved which his Majefly's prefent Miniders
had loft and abandoned within one Short month.

Lord Su ar Flt Ln exprefied his apprehentions, that
the propofed Banat would be extremely oppreffive,
vexatious, and into Liable to the wor king orders of
the community ; and by taking away fo many thou-
fands of indufirions men for the army, would throw
their wives and children on their refpellive par ;Ines.
The quedion being put, palfed in the affirmative,
nemint difflntienfr.
The I oufc then refolved Weir into a Committee for the further
co :federation of the Clergy Refidenee Bill.
The Loan CoaNcetLos moved Cetera! further Amendments,
tv".,hts were arced to, and the Bill was ordered to be repassed to-
morrow—Adjourned.