Star.
London, England, 1816-05-16 00:00:00

"boa named to the time,
analdgy was not complete,
must be included br the Muti
to the general military regu!
fore determined to take a vi
money to the public service.
King receives the money as the
it was like an excess of grants,
public burthens to its amount
would be limited by it, and the
called on to provide for more
lutely necessary. The Honour;
tleman had attempted to thro,
Ministers, but it certainly lay
the House to drew to whom tl
if not to the Sovereign, the n
lion abroad in every act in wl
gaged. He thought it clear, fr,
that the monies were to be
with the advice of the Privy Council, subject to do
duty of accounting for the application to Park
He knew this Was a power which might be abused,
but if this were to be admitted as generally stk
6cient for withholding or denying the power of thii
Crown, it would overturn all the political institution
of the country, and leave the Executive without the
means of performing its functions, or protecting fit
public weal. On these grounds he should wove
et
previous question.
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the Chancellor of
the Exchequer admitted the the King -
monies in trust for the put
Honourable Friend inch

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lied, "arss.-
7 would be apps
(Mr.. Tierney) was not sa
should have been a Mer
though the House was
much at one end, as it paid
of these cart tibutions,
this arrangement in good
in good faith, aid the very
that something might arise
House Upon the necessity
into this disposal of these
the Crown should have tri.
its disposal, and Kan time
tell what was done with
come down to the House
Session, flushed with the
and said he had got five
1 gut how stands the question
army
and this m
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torte is
in
ny
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This was to go on for 'five
that time we were to receive
It might be that the whole
keep the army in France, '
them was irregular. Out
monument to Cardinal You
it was possible that some to
within the scope of these
made. Bold as the Noble
suppose, if tSis motley had
he could have come down _
upon the Cardinal, and proposed
nurneut ; be could not have
propose, or at least he bell
have found any one hardy .
him. The proper mentonem
,of his family was in history
warning to all Kings, that
to drive them from their Thy
and deserve it—(Hear, heat
to the sum to be given to the
ference of opinion between
He (Mr. Tierney) and his friends say, it is a proem
from a foreign Power of two millions to the Allied
Armies, and that Austria and Russia had each given.
up £500,000 to the English and Prussian army,
Then the Right Hon. Gentleman says, the -King is
in this affair a steward for the nation, but he mould
not like a steward who was to have. the controul of
the receipts of his master in this manner. He would
suppose that ha had a steward, who should send him
word that he had received all the rents, but that he
was in a course of expenditure, and when all was
gone he would tell him what had been done with it.
He might remonstrate with his steward, and receive
for answer that he WAS using his endeavotati to get
through it ; he was buying plouglis and harrows'
(because, perhaps, he had a lriend in the trade), auto
would send in an account as soon as he It to beea
able to expend the whole. Now he should not like
this plan, and would rather buy for himself ; and be
in the present instance, he woad much rather Lay
out the money at first, than be required to sciutiaiae
the application of it afterwards.
Lord CAS FLEREAGH thought the attempt of
the Right Hon. Gentleman to answer the speech of
his Honoulable htiend, was the best proof of the va-
lue of that speech ; and the completeness of the an-
swer which it contained to the argumeafts of the
Honourable Gentleman who had brought forward
the motion. That the monies in question were nut
considered as droits by the Crown was evident, train
the circumstance of no Message being sent down to
the Hoene with respect to diem ; wherea., hid they
been so held, the Crown would, as in all forsier in-
maces,ontt tweuareends ttlete Message,seie of tstatinghe yacmg.i—ft (t; It"te,
hear.)—With respect to Cardinal Yorke. it was con.
sidered proper to pay some tribute lotus memory, as
be was.a fragment of Royalty, who had experice‘ed
the Royal bounty during his life. Oil the subject of
the donation to the army, he thought it right to state,
that Marshal Blucher had suggested to the Doke of
Wellington, that the troops were entitled to levy con-
tributions on the city they had taken. It was then
thought best to enter into an arrangement for the
canuributioni, which was done for the Sovereigns, and
the 'l'reaty gave nu right to the soldiery in any such
sums. It had afterwards been determioecho make
the donation to the troops. He did not think it ne-
cessary to detain the House, as all the• points in the
defence of the motion had been so ably met and re.
futed by his Honourable Friend.
Mr. YONSONBY returned his very best thanks to
his Honourable and Learned Friend, for bringing
forward this motion, and for the very eloquent marline
in which he had discussed it. He rejoiced in Ibis
dr-
Pctusion, because,- be had no doubt,. that Ministers,
at the beginning of the Session, claimed the vested
right*in these contributions for the Crown : but their
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vote, still applying ti the
He admitted tliarsisi Sty
he steward of the !mite; ail(
s, and would relieve
Lilt qlit, as the other gruti
the House would ntebt
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.e thin what was able, sq
rable and Learned Ch
ow the mar firedoe; elk SO
with the other 840 to
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these monies de helmet, qic
representative of the
ditch the nation h e*,
iom what he had slam. .41j1
applied by, the Crewe, 1.1
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f.RNEY observed, that the Chancellor of
to
uer admitted that the King received the,
rust for the public, and that was whathin
e Friend principally contended for. 'l
tourable an had also renew
Led,~'ssMit,-
would be applied to the•public; but he,
ley) was not ratified with this, and there dc
re been a Message on the subject. M. OR
House was told that it would save as
to end, as it paid at the other, by the he)p
it tibutions, and was called upon to take /I
:went in good fats, he would take nothing X.a
th, aid the very call creates a &tupelo,' L
hing might arise which would pot the pa
in the necessity of enquiring most rigidly pe
iposal of these funds. limas strange that in
should bave upwards'of five milhoesn to
and 1101136 time hence come forward to it
vas dose with it. The Noble Lord had 71
to the House -at the begimiieg.of the
'shed with the glories of his negoctatime tb
e had got five millions for the people... tk
ands the question nowt Why an English El
be kept in France to support the Boer. ha
this money is to go to pay the army. be
go on for 'five years, and at the gad
e were to receive a surplus of 5e500,000. Oi
e that the whole House would agree to Mil
my in France, but this mode of paying
~of
regular. Out of these funds, though the I
:o Cardinal Yorke was to be paid fur, and Pl'
sle that some other payments, not strict' i to
:ope of these contributions, were to he tf
las the Noble Lord was, he could hardly Al
!pis money had not been in the way, that wl
re come down to the House, with an Ale (
irdinal,- and proposed a vote her this um a
could not have found face sufficient to °el
at least he believed that be would not 211_,
any one hardy enough to have seconded 04.
proper monument of this indOridual and
was in history; and it was also a proper
ill Kings, that the people have the Tighe th
in from their Thrones, if they behave AI 40
it—(Hear, hear.) Then, with respect
o be given to the army, there was adit•
inion between the two sides of the Hose.
:rney) and his friends say, it is a payment
gn Power of two millions to the Allied
that Austria and Russia had each given_
1 to the English and Prussian army.—
ight Hon. Gentleman says, the -King is
a steward for the nation, but he mould
!ward who was to have the controul of
sf his master in this manner. He would P
he had a steward, who should send bins V