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would not say that that pat ish abilitild be obliged to pay
:4301. fot tier, an was sure the patisliionets would
t theVitaction of it as unjust. It would
be a treat injustice to the clergy to fix their incomes for
• N. ssetitbeba such 4 rate. The stateof the agricultural counties,
• for instance Norfolk; would prove it. In dive counties
the late improvements in tgriculture had increased the
value of the produce of the land to a very high amount,
• and the stipend of the clergy at a rateable proportion; but
bow trifling would that stipend now be if it were taken
. according to the estimated value of the produce 200
years ago? On this ground he opposed a fired perma
slant valuation /tithe tithes. The more equitable plan
' would be that which would enable the incomes of the
Clergy to vary with the varying value of the produce,
and so keep them always in the same telation to the
• Other class-, of society. He was aware that ore of the
claims of the Bill made the Bishop's consent necessary
. .
to the commutations provided by the Bill ; but would
. it not be wrong in the House to lay down a general
principle of acting in one clause of the Bill, acid to add
another clause calculated to leave the principle inope
retie.? but, beside the general inipolicy of the Bill, it
was calculated to do injustice to particular individuals;
for instance, there wete Clergymen who, for a:flint's
reasobs agreed to accept a less amount of tithes than
. they were lawfully entitled to. Suppose the cti.iasstita•
lion to be made according to that diminished exaction,
Would it not be most unjust that their successors should
be obliged t- stiff r a diminution of their lawful incon,r
in consequence of the lenity or remissness of the intim).
bents in whose incumbency the fixed average of the past
seven years had bean taken? He understood an Hon.
Member, the author of the Bill. to d..elare his intention
of extending the true to 14 lea's ; hut, what was the
object of filing the sum ef tithes permanently, according
the receipts of the pat leas s?—(Here several Mem-
bers intimated that the tithes wete to vary with the
price ofciiro ) But why depart from tie principle laid
down in the Tithe Commutation Act of Ireland, which
bad WM ed so well. mei y, that the awe- meats should
endure for 21 years? 'that (Loeb) Commutation 1.1:11
seas in operation in 930 pa, i.hes in lieland. and caused
the settle m-nt of tithes to the amount of `2236,0001. and
the duration of those agreenseni• made tutuer it was
limited to '2l i errs.ll the (looses, on•cl allow the exisi mg
law on Tithes, why not assimilate it to the Irish Tithes
Commutation Ay. Fm his part, he would not Object
to the extension of the Irish Act to Englaud—hut to
the present Bill he must give his decided as
a mea-tire most objectionable in minciple, and not per-
fects in its details. By adopting the Irish spurns of
coin:mutation, tie House would facilitate the success in
et Inmate elsewhere: '1 he Right Hon. Gentlernsn
concluded by vecommending the insertion of a clause,
limiting the duration oh agieenients, as to the commu•
tation of tithes. so '2l years.

Mr. BENETT defended the Bill as it at present stood,

whit'- he was convinced would enccurage indivufualr
t expend money on tie cultivat,on of waste lands.—
. This they were at present deterred from doing. because
under t. e existing system a considerable portion of the
capital employed found its way into the-hands of
the clergyman. He was willing that the clergyman
should receive his share of the produce of tie land ;
bat he thought it unrest that he should derive a great
advantage from the autlay< of capital by the reclaimer
of waste land. An individual might burn bricks and
build factories, and give nothing to the tithe-own: .
This flrme,t a great encouragement to building houses.
Whereas, if the agricuhurist brought negl-cted land
Into a state of high cultivatioa, a large pa. t of the pro-
fits were t ken from him by the tithe•owner, and thus
improvement was retarded.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL objected to the
alienation of the property of the Church for a money
payment. He would not enter into any details—but
there were difficulties generally attending the measure
*Bich required mature considerat ion. The Bill, it car-
ried into a law, would he highly injurious to the C' urch,
and as such he must object to it. He did not reli.h the
rinciple That the money payment was to be regulated
by the price of corn ; and as a whole, unless greatly
modified, he must oppose it altogether. The whole
machinery of the Bill required alteration, and if that
were made, he would feel it his duty to support it.
Mr. GREEN could not conceal from himse f, after
the intimations which had dropped from the Right
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Peel), and from the
Learned Gentleman who spoke last, that he had great
disadvantages to contend with in endeavouring to en-
force the principle of this measure upon the House; and
be was very conscious th it, after the labour which he
bad 1-estowed upon ibis Bill, and she time be had de-,
✓oted to the preparation of its details, it was etrremely '
likely that he bad become wedded to some of its obj cts.
He did hope, however, that he might say, without of-
feace—aviare as he was i.l the acknowledged candour
and sincerity of the Right Honourable Gentleman—
that his opinions were yet likely to be in some degree
biased by those of the learned and distinguished body
whom that Right Honourable Gentleman tepiesented
Parliament. It would be allowed, however, by most
Honourable Gentlemen who heard him, that perhaps no
glass of persons in the United Kingdom understood the
system of parochial tithes less than the University of
Oxford. Now the principle of commutation could not
be very unpopular for by a return which be' had re-
c.eiretf from the county of Bedford, Comprising 125
poishes, no less than 61 of those parishe. had already
▪ minuted their tithes. He could not imagine what
cabiectit n could be established to the principle of paying
tithes according to the current value of corn, for that
which was a payment of WO• a year, according to the
rice of corn for one ter bi of seven years, might be very
well regqlated, end proportionately, on a similar prin•
oiple, in atsy futute term—(Hear, hear).—He could not
any less tWu this of the Bill—Oot so much on his own
account ag on that of a Learned Gtntlernan out of the
House (htr. Bottler). by whont he had been rely mate-
golly assisted in flaming It.
Mr. E. DAVEItiII'ORT said, he could not vote for
this Bill, as its Michirier y was both cumbrous and ex
mattsive. He hoped the Bill would meet aids the dis-
oppr_olsation of the Homo..
ist. its [COURT, who was friendly to some of its
Potegals, denied that the University which had beets
gaited to were at all incompetent judges of the system
of parochial tithes. The Honourable Gentleman then
entered into some details. for the purpose of. showing
that the effects of commutation were quite opposite
snider different cirtutostancesond concluded by pressing
upon the expediency of agreeing to the Bill, were it
only as an experimental measure, for souse shot t pet kW,
for seven or twenty-one years.

Mr. HUME said, that a general commutation took
place in Scotland two centuries ago, and it it had not—
if tithes were to increase upon the iraptoveasent of the
land, Scotland would not new be the gtrden et teas in
every direction. The Clergy mere entitled only to a
tenth of the product—not of the capital eapeoutd on
the soil, which was thc object sought by the Right Hon.
Gentleman. It tithes acre thus entreated, the was‘e
lend, *mild not be cultivated, and there would be the

greater neeesety for sending the people to Canada and
Miter . places, in search of employment. Tithes pre-
sented improvement, and persevered in, would be
productive of the most serious injury to this country.
The best friend of the ,Church and the country must
wish to see the tithes fixed wpon a firm and permanent
basis. Mr. Pitt himself sidled to convert the tithes
into Three per Cents. with a view to the benefit alike
of the people and the Church. The tithes caused
great irritation throughout the onuntry—they alien
ated the Clergy from their flocks—and it was high
[dole that some effective measure should be introduced
in order to settle the question. He contended that it
was ,sot fair to take the same proportion of tithes, now
that the population had so increased and the Church was
divided into so many sects, as that originally filed.
Colonel WOOD said, that in all the Enclosure Acts
which had lately passed, the commut ition of the 'hilts
had been provided for. He trusted that the suggestion
of his Right Hon. Friend would be received by the Hon.
Member, and that be would not endanger the loss of
the measure there or elsewhere by rejecting it. He was
of opinion that by the adoption of the Irish Act in this
country, they should be giving the greatest possible
boon to the Ag, icalturist.
Mr. GRE explained.
Air. A. BARING thought it most expedient that some
measure should be taken to pot an end to that hourly
colllsmn bet aeon Chogymen and their paii•hion rr,
ah ch a!most new arced tl,e utili:y of the former.—
The real question brim e the li•nise seemed to be,whether
the BM of the Hon. Member for Lancaster, or the Irish
commutation meaone, was the be-t? and he conf, s•ed
that he thought the University of Oxford was mistilking
its own interests in opposing the Bill ; besides whielewhat-
eve r might be the cliim• of that learned body. they sere,
not such as to entitle it to dictate to the House. Fit
he objection, that under this proposed at rangement any
Cletgytuan also had been content to accept a lOW 14le
at tithe from Isis parishioner • from motives of t berality,
anuld be hound by that averar, that statement was
oirec:ly in tile teeth of one of the c 1 uses . t the Bill;
oir it was especially 'wooded; that the vain Lion tit the'
ti hes was lobe made by a particular party—sty tune
VA itirrs, to he ',omits 4ted tor the purpose. As it se toed
to him, however B mug), alter all, nes.her the
Irish Commotaii ii Act, tore he Act before the House,
were calculate.' to effect a great .teal more as .n a iaa,
competent to patties, indepensent tit any si.ch statutes,
to effect by private agreement.
Mr. It. GRANT said, that although be should
prepared to entertain a much mote comprehensive p
position for the permanent coininusatioa of tithe pm-
petty in this country, he could n t 10. k to the rummy
before the House as one which was complete or prattl-
e .ble for ilea most important object. After remai king
upon some detects in the drtails ant the measure, the Hon.
Member said that it was -Oren to one gicat and in-
superable ist.jection at a permanent system of commit.
ta sin. It was obviouoy necessaty, that in such an
unoettakieg a fund roust be provided commensurate te,
:he charge laid upon it, which fund must be constant
and invariable. Now, in Me measure proposed. they
would have a c nstant and certain charge, with a tout
able fund. He could easily suppose eases in which
this would prove highly Huron's to the payers of
tithes. Another objection was, that the measure only
provided for the increase of tithes upon lands brought
into cultivation, and took no notice of the possible
decrease, it land should, horn any witoieseen causes,
be thrown out of cultivation. He was not *este how
these difficulties could be c-)rrected but by the limitathin
proposed by the Right Hon. Secretary. It had been
pia that trot. ad sit p.. 0 ing a heding balm upon the
heart-burnings and asperities arising • tit of this Adject,
the propositrai of the Right Hon. Secretary was edict*.
Wed to Jeep elite ail those lamented evils. But he
humbly conceiveJ that great good would be done in
that respect by the measure, even with the propose.,
limitation. Vas it nothing that instead of being,
gasped the tithe, a tenant Irian year to year, the person
paying would have his te. ms secuted for a given period:
For these reasons he would supp rt the amendment.
Sir J. NEWPORT said that the measure which had
been adapted with respect to (reload was totally def.
ferent in its airline .tiou from the before the House. Its
object was to get uid of she sexati its sshich bad been
suffered by the people in the mode of cui:ecting the
tithe; and thougn it had in many instances increased
de income of the Clergyman, that was agreed to fon
the purpose of getting rid of those veletion.s. He lone
not for the purpose of entering is to the met its of the
question, but to state, that if the Irish 11.11 had enacied
a permanent commutation, it would not pave pa.sesi.—
He did not know what were the pa; Vet, In enacts rots
of this Bill, but he it :sted that care vetitdd be taken not
to give so the Bishops here such eeiit loco's. powers es
were given to the Irish Bishops. `.There it was not un-
common for the B shop to quash the agreeme.:t ea•
iered into by the parish, because the ',mould given to
the incumbent was not consideted sufficient.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY recommended to the Hon.
Member who introduced this Bill to adopt the Amend•
meot of the Right Hon. Gentleman. As to the ma
chinery of the Bill itself, he th. ugh' that is. less it was
made mote advantageous to the Inge s, the Bill would
be altogether inoperative, and would be selOom taken
advantage ot. At the sante time he thought it would be
better to have this 801 with the proposed limitation
than none at all.
Mr. Secretary PEEL in reply said, that the argu.
ment used by the Hots. Member for Wiltshire, namely,
that the measure would rarely be acted upon.w.la a very
600 d argument for hi. amendment. His wish was to see
such a Bill as would be acted upon, a. the Iri.h.Act bed
been acted upon, aad thetetoie it was that he proposed
such an alteration as tie thought would 'mute its being
carried into effect. He in incipally rose to notice one
observation which had fallen honk the Hon. Member
for Callington. That Honourable Member had stattd
that they were as goof judges as any other persons of
what was right and necessary to be done in respect to
the property of the Church in tithes, and that they were
not to be dictated to by the University of Oxford.
Now he desired to state, that in di:. course i f ttie
observations he addressed to the House, he never
once alluded to the Petition of she University.—
With regard to any part that he might ct nose to
takes in questions referring to the tights of the Church,
lie knew that he had a duty and a right which he might
exercise, and wh ch he would exercise, in watching over
the interests of his ecnstituents, as the Hon. Member,
or any other Member, watched over the interest which
they r,presented. And he should be obliged to the Hon.
Member if he would let him know what these was in
the conduct or the situation of the University of Oxford
to di:entitle it from the right of looking to the intere is
of the Church in measures which deep.y affected them.
They passed a law disqualifying the Members of the
Church from sitting in that House, and we-re they to
preclude the Reptesentatives of that Body horn attend-
ing to their interests when they would not alio" them
to tie present to speak for thenowhies? Ile referred to
the P.aition of th University LE Oxtuid to prove that I
inners: w nothing disrespectful in their manner of ad-

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to the affair.. f the East—report says. that we are going to send
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In the House of Lards list night a conversation took
place u the Game Laws, when the order for summoning their
Lordships for Thursday, to coosider the Sale of Game Bah was
postpoood to Thursday week.
The 13ristL1 Petition against the Receipt Stamp Tax
was presented last night in the House of Comnsons by Mr. HART
DAVIi, seconded by Mr. Pamirs Tint Lunatic Asylums Bill was
a Irrug time in a Committee. Various auxiiiiments, of a mere
verbal nature, were proposed and agreed to; but a new clause was
proposed and withdrawn, instead of belog pressed—namely," That
Coroners' lurked: should be held on all persons who might die while.
errnfimd in Lunatic Asylums." It was withdrawn on suggestions.
that however useful suck clause might be, it would be resisted as
cakulated to wound the feelings and the delicacy of private families.
Mr. Secretary Put, pursuant to notice, moved that the Com-
mittee on the Tithes Commutation Bill should be instructed to
limit the duration of agreements under it to twenty-one years...-
He conceived that it would be a great injustice to As permanently
the revenue of the Clergy. Mr. Baszrr (Wiltshire) laid the prin-
ciple sought to be introduced would be destructive to the BilL—
The Arroartar GRNISAL opposed the Bill. Mr. Gases es.
pressed his fear that Mr. Secretary Past, might be biased by the
opinions of his Constitsents, although no persons were so ignorant
or the Parochial Tithe System as the University of Orford. Mr.
8. Havacrowe objected to the machinery of the Bill. Mr. Es:-
event was friendly to the Bill. Mr. Hums said the proposition for
passing the law, before the House, for twenty-one years, was a
monstrous delusion. After a few words from Sir M. W. Rioter
and others, Mr. Secretary Past. replied. when the House divided—
for the Amenrintent, 81—Against it, 29-41ajority,

The Irish Metropolis, since the arrival of the new
Lord Lieutenant, the Marquis of ANCLMV, has been a scene of
great gaiety and splendour. It seems to contain chiefly but two
clavws—the rich and the very poor; for unfortunately, both in Eng.
land and Ireland, the middle class has, from the burden of taxation,
and the depression of trade, been for years past on the decline. The
customary Addresses from Corporate Bodies, and others, in
DUblin, have been presented to his Excellency. In answer to an
Address of Congratulation, presented by a Deputation of Master
Manufacturets, on his appointment to the Vim oyalty, he impressed
on their nands that unless all parties endeavoured to live upon con.
diiions of good fellowship, each to labour for the Commies PEACI,
it was a vain thing to think of improving its condition, or to hope
for its becoming the abode of morals, of letters, or of the elegaticles
of life.

Besides the II now before rht Ilouse of Commons,
for taking away front the Curnmisalosers for the Reduction of thr
National Debt the power of ranting Life Annuities, which will
effects very considerable saving, and fir which the country is in.
delued to the Finance Cunitnittce, we think, front the (vox: in.&
by Mr. Hums, a few nights ago, In the house of Conituou,
that there is another subject use c :so occupy its mien
dun, and in which similar reforms are inperatively reittirtd—