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London, England, 1803-06-17 00:00:00

rARLMMENTARr PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JUNE t 6.
The Report of the Committee on the Claim of the Rev. Mr.
3rydges was Lrought up and agreed to.
The Houfe . refolved .nto a Committee for the further
-onfideration of the Cl--my Rek.lenee Sill, a vary defukory waver-
ration arofe upon feveral of the clanks.
The Bithop of ST. ASA ni propofed an amendment, that feveral
•:teruptions which were at prefant foeeibed in the Big, ibouki be
fubjcded to the diferetion of the dincefan.
'l'he Loan CnAtaertAna objected to this privation, and afar
fomeconverfation it was withdrawn.

On the propofition of the Bifitop of No awier , the Deans, Sob•
Dents, Re.,ders, and other EcelefiAllies connnfied with the Royal
Chapels of St. James's, Vindf.r, Whitehall, and t di:where. were
exempted from the nectiLty of Rcfidence on their Benefices.
The Who!, of Wittenerrett propored the exemption of the
Chaplains of the Royal Military Afyluni at Oldies. and of the
Royal Military College at High Wycombe —AgrPrd tn.
The Chaplain air Greenwich Hofpital was tempted, &e.on the
motion of Lord AUCKL AND.

The Bithop of Sr. Aseta moved to expunge that part of the
claufe relative to the exemption of fchoolmaiters. &e of certain
NNW Womb, which includes the exemption of Whets • but the
motion was negatived epee a dr eqa. A motion by ;he fame
Learned Brehm, to expunge the exemption of certain Lederer*,
was afro rejeded.
The Bilbop of Low now propofed a provifo, that in every Fara
where the incuMbent was by this Bill exempted from Refidenee,
that a fulkient Curate &w ad be appointeJ to refide, with an ade-
quate falary, fabled to the difcretion of the Sithop.
. . _ .

On the recommendation of the Loan CIIANC LLLLL this prop*•
fition was poltponed for future coofid.ration.
The BiDrop of Sr. Asapa moved, that inftrad of 26 ram
the age beyond which beneficed Clergymen are, by the prdena
chute, not pertnitted to remain at the Univerfiries, thirty years
mould be inf.:med.—This Amendment was carried upon a divifloo
of 19 to 4.
A difference of opinion arofe upon almolt every chore. On
tome, difeuffions of confiderable length took place, and favernl oea
bal amendments were prop° ed and carried without a divillon.
At half pia nine Lord WALSLXOUAII reported retire's, and
the Committee was appointed to fit again to.merrow....—Adjo taped

HOUSE. OF COMMONS. '
Mr. DANIEL P Coca took the oaths and k fat tot

Nottingham.
The Houfe watt into a Committee en an Adt pared in the isd
year of his prefent Mikity, relative to the mode of regibtity
Workboufes. A Refolution Wit moved, that a Hill be brought in
to amend the Paid Ad, and the Chaliman was inttrosliad to nuke
an applicatien to the Houk in terms of this motion.
The Houk went into a Committee on the lath Parfonageßill.—.
A good deal of cooverfation took place on certain onsendmenta
which Mr. Wickham propofed. They were, hal/tier, at length
adop ted,and the Retztzas ordered forto morrow.
Mr. A t ap the Repoli of the Conning* of
Supply, and the Refolution for moan; Tbraity Thonandi Pounds
for eot.ftrudting High Roads in tin:eland, was agreed to. and a 1W
ordered.

The Militia Transfer Bill was read a third time, and pared.
Mr. ALtWIDItI brought up the Report of the =law Canto.
&lacing the Ends. The Refolutibm were read, and Bills sederwl
to ba brought in parfsant to the fan*.
Leave was moved for and grant id to bring Jo a Bin to continue
the Corn isterossife Ad.
Mr. Wm' nor obtained leave to being la a 313 for teardarrisi
to the Navy an Seam fervlsg in the Militia of lrelasSL
The Report of the Committee of Ways and Means was hiss&
up, sad the jtefolodons read mad agreed to.
The Loan 111, the Esparta, imports, and Tonnage Ills were
read a Cased dine mod twammined for to-morrow.

The BM to mecums Foreign Seamen to enter Into our Mer-
ehontServiee, went through a Committec,and the Regan was OOP
dead for to-naorrow.
The EaR India adrift BM was read a third tine and gaffed.
An Account impregnated of the increafe of the Cullom, and
Duties. by mess of the Comfolidation BilL
Of this image, Mr. Vsnfittart mo►ed to applysopool towards
defraying the dunes of the prefan Loan.
Colonel ODCLL gave notice, that he ChouLl move for an Account
of an expenditure of the Monies granted to the CommiMoners of
the girt Fruits in Inland.

Tbe third reading of the Clothiers Bill was deferred till this day
fe.nniight.
Col V prefented a Petiden front the Tanners of Limo-
rkk.—Reterred to the Committee oa the kith Tanner.' Bal.
DoC It-1r Mt be.

Mr. WHITIIINAD, in purfuince of his notice on a
former day, rofe to fubmit a motion on this fubjelt
Ha profeffed his anwillingnefs to occupy the time of
the Hoofs by any length of obfervation. The motion
which he meant to fubmit to the Houle was one In
obvioufly arifing out of former proceedings, that he
was not aware of any objedians which might be
';.ltarted againft it. In bringing the bufinefs forward,
fie wifhed it to be diftinflfy underflood that he had
no defire to anticipate any judgment which might be
formed on the Reports of theCommiffirmers appoint-
ed to inquire into abufes in the Navy. A Right Hon.
Gentleman oppofite (the Chancellor of the Exthe•
quer) had, pledged himfeif to found a propofitinn on
there Reports, which he had no inclination even to
embarrarst He bad, however, diSerent Armand. for
preffing his motion on the confederation of the Hoare.
Gentlemen were not unaware that the Noble Loid
who, with fo much honour to himfeif and fo impor-
tant advantage to the Country, had fought oar battles
abroad, and who with not ha honour had inflituted
inquiries into abufes in the department over which he
prefided, had been expofed to a great deal of cabins-
ay and abufe. In nothing more than with refpe&
to his condo& in examiaing into and providing re-
medies for the abufes in the-Dock-yards, had he been
erpofed to very gro(a cenfure. This cenfure bad been
generally dillioninated over the Country out.ef doors,
and in the Houk one Hon. Baronet (Sir William
Elford) who, however, found no one Member to
fecond his motion, had brought forward a grave ac-
cufation againft the Admiralty Board. To do away
any imprellion which thefe calumnies might have
produced, he thought there was no better way of
proceeding than by layibefo the Houfe a copy
of the minutes taken byre
he Noble Lord, and the
other Noble Lords, in the courfe of their vifit of in-
quiry lag year, and to which the Commitlioners in
tneir firil Report alluded. In that Report it was Rated
that Me condo& of tfre Admiralty Board was not
only free from cenfure, hut highly commendable.
It was altar Rated, that cites of very flagrant delin-
quency etifted. It was therefore fair and jut that
I the delinquents &sold as fpeedily as potEhle be brought
to plaice, and he thotild with this view nvore for the
produ.tion of the minutes, as at once t tri-g the
condo& of the Board of Admiralty hum injurious
imputations thrown on their condue, and bringing
thole delinquents, whole vill 'inks they had espufed,
to a fpeedier puniihment. The fooner that ca!umny
I was refuted on the one band, and flagrant
delinyucn-
cy was brought before the pablic eye on the emu:,

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t • w 001.3 the heft interefts of the Country be
td. The lion. Member concluded with moving-
cr•py of the minutes relative to the abuf.a the
k Yards. in terms of his fj eech.
The CHAWL of the EtettEQple edified the
picaion, as not ceiling on parlirmetitary grritinds.—
He thought that the I lint. Mover, inftead of waiting
for objcelion;, thould flate,l fume reafons in fa-
vour °fits bein? entertained. No one could fed a
V.-her int--A than he did in any thing eonneEted
v..i:h the chat icier of the Noble Lord at the head of
the Ada tralty. No one had a more thorough con-
vi&ion that the charaEter of the Noble Lord flood for
above all trial:gnant calumny. He was, however,
a: the fone time, lefs anxious that the Marion of the
Gem:cm:in fhould be perfilled in, as be was
convinced that the talenr; the foundnefs, and the
t;sliJity of the Noble Lord's conduit did not at all
it and in nee i of any fuck fnpport as the motion wascal-
colaicd to a /Card. In this view, therefore, he thought
the motion traally unnecerfary; but, in another point
of • view, he conceived that it (till lefs relied on
parliamentary grounds. The Houfe had inverted
Com rmaionet s with full powers to inquire ihto abufes
cai.ling in the Navy, and there was no reafon to think
that tit:), had not employed their powers with affi-
cluity and zeal. If it was meant to be flared, which
h"wcver the Hon. Gentleman had nor infinuated in
the moil distant manner, that the Commiffionetsbad
been deficient in their duty, then there might have
been fair ground of interference, and a motion of the
natare now offered to the Houfe might have been
highly expedient. As, however, no fuggeaion of
this kind had been made, he mutt contend that the
motion of the Hon. Gentleman was at leaft prema-
ture, atui mild tend only to anticipate a judgment,
which could he given with much more advantage
whrn the whole Lies of the cafe were fairly andfully
lubmitted to the Houle. As the moil convenient way
therefore, of difpoting of the motion, he mould fit
down by moving the previous queftion-
Capt. Maze nap, on behalf of his Noble Friend at
the head of the Board of Admiralty, as well as for
his other colleagues and himfelf, was particularly
anxious that every part of their conduft Mould be
made the fubjeet of the molt rigid inquiry. The more
rigid the inquiry was, the more he was foie it would
turn out in favour of the meafures which they had
thought it their duty to partite. In many of the
common journals of the country affettions applicable
to their proceedings, of the moll degrading kind, had
been employed. Even in the Houle nfelf countenance
had, in Come degree, been gives to foci reprefenta-
tions. Unlefi a Reap was put to reprefentationsoffo
tinj..ftifiable a defenption, it was impoffible that the
bulinefs of the naval department could go on with
that energ7 and fpirit which the prefont circum.
fiances of the country required. His opinion, there-
fore, was, that the papers for which the Hon. Gen-
' tlenian Rad moved, ought to be produced. The
!honer they metsthe eye of the public, the more ad-
vantageous it would be for the country. The exift-
. knee of delinquency of a molt flagrant kind had been
eftablithed, and he did not fee how it was necerfary
in wait for any additional reports from the Commit.-
(loners, with the view of bringing the delinquents
before the regular tribunals of the country. Whenever
profectiticts were commenced, he was confident they
would terminate in a way which would fully confirm
cite propriety of the Reps which the Board of Admi-
ralty had conceived it to be their duty to adopt.—
Called on, as the country now was, to make the great:
eft exertions for the public fervice, no time ought to
be loft in making examples of thofe who had been
guilty of flagrant breaches of public duty. On there
grounds he fhould fupport the motion.
Sir Wm. Etmets had no °Whom to the general
(pink of the nastion, but thought, as it now flood, it
did not comprehend a fofficient variety of fubjeas.
No man had a higher opinion than he entertained of
the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty, the
Hon. Gentleman who (poke laft, and their colleagues
in office, in their military charatier. With regard to
heir conduill in their civil capacity, he entertained,
however, a very different opinion. He thought that
many of the fleps they bad taken on the principle of
reforming what they called exiling abufes, were pro-
dmllive of confemiences the :nod injurious to the
public fervice. In feveral inflances they had them-
felves been obliged to confers that their conduit had
been precipitate, and they had accordingly reverted
to the fame fyllem which they had condemned as
affording faeilitizs for abide. He condemned them
alto I.w having, by their extorts decifion,don' • injtatice
to individuals.
Sir C. Foal, adverting to a hint thrown out, that
injustice had been done by tatting on e.vparre evidence,
Rated that this evidence which bad been complained
of was evidence obtained from the mouths of the de-
linquents thensfelves.
Sir A. HAldmono firmed to feel indignant at any
lnlonuations againft the Navy Board, the Members of
which were fir attentive to their duties, as to fa fix
or (even -hours every day. The Comnsiffioners on
abides were Rill continuing their enquiries, and all
that the Admiralty could give was a copy of the
proceedings. It was impoffible to form any judg-
ment, till the report &wild be properly laid before
the lionfe. As to the Navy Board they had a Tight
to expel a liberal condo& from the Houk. They
had a report now ready, but the Houfe could not well
determine, till they bad the whole of it before them.
Mn, Cove dbfervcd, that nothing perfonal
could poffibly be meant; the Miniller himfelf had
defenied the condui of the Noble Earl at the head
of the Admiralty. The motion only went to the pro-
cikition, which could not, after the declarations of
the Miniller, be confidently rehired. There docu-
ments would, he nnderlioesd, (hew many skulks which
never had been checked before. Every one mutt ad-
mite the wonderful !alms and Cervices of that ilia-
ttious Officer, who did and thould ever maintain
(Isom re aternnribile mattes
Gov rt taukunt quad nnhra prnderat arltt."
11dYniral Bs • (poke againft the motion.
The &erne% a-Gr.a ekat. ably !Imported the ma-
lion of :ha Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. He • as rea.ly to give the higheß credit to the
Noble Le- 1%! at the head of the Admiralty, and the
Hon. Cattleman, nix), in his name, courted the
j.•.(4.:a:firai of the papers, for their nice and honour.
able trelioas. I:: thought, however, char there feel.
jags r the mean time to give way to public con-
rideraticns, sshi:h all fug;efted the expediency of al
I-w;ria the Commiffinners to finals their inquiries be.
fort ":75 any Parliamentary interherence.
Raced co the notion would be to anticipate their

decifsou.- and to imply cliffatisfailion with their la.
hours, which they had tonduded with the grand
alliduity and teal.
Colonel BAETARD was in favour of the motion
and Mr. H vvvvv ■gainh any thing which would in-
volve R dilcuffion of a charader fo illuftrions at that
of Earl St. Vincent.
Sir FaaNcit BARING confidered Lord St. Vincent
as one of the grestell Officers that ever flitted. and
was proceeding, when he was interrupted as digref•
fing from the queftion.
Mr. SHERIDAN oppofed the opinion advanced by
the Attorney-Oeneral, and argued in favour of the
motion. It was unfair, eery thing confidered, to
wait for the final report. The molt manly and libe-
ral Mode would be to form the infinnations againit
the Fitt Lord of the Admiralty, and bring them
openly before Parliament. By the prefent tyllem,
the matter Would be left in a very unpleafant hate.
and in the prefect important fituation of affairs, where
there teemed to be a competition between two Boards,
thole who deferved the honour of having done every
thing to eorred stipules lhould receive it.
Sir A. HAMMOND explained, that what he alluded
to in refpea to the Board of Admiralty was not
meant as any imputation, but that the Navy Board
could not, under the prefent tyltem, go on as plea-
fantly as k might otherwite.
Mr. WIIITIRIAD, in reply. obferved, that after
what had been (aid, he did nut Mean to milli in his
Motion. but to be dillinftly informed, before he reline
quifised it, at what time any motion on this fubjeet
would be brought forsVird?
The CHANcILLoC of the Excoskyst (aid, that it
was certainly his intention to bring the abufes alluded
to, and the report of the comnsiffm, under the con-
fideration of Parliament, in the coarfe of the prefent
fe fflon, hat could tpecifyno particular time for doing fe.
The Houle then agreed that the Motion fhould be
withdrawn.