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your former proceeding, that you lad no right to' to the witnesses, if the Jurors are not permitted to go
visit the barracks? with them. Let the Officers and men be sent here..
The Foreman —On the occasion to which you al- . The Foreman.—We are about to have some con-
lude, we had a conversation, rather than a discus- versation, and to draw up a paper which will explain
sion. The matter was not then decided. We were, all that has taken place. We will attend at the bar-
however, willing to ask a favour on one point; but racks, to-morrow; and if we are refused admittance,
this is a point of a very different nature. . it's not our fault.
The Cortoxea—You said, this morning, you would . A Juror.—l hope you will not, in that paper, ex-
not receive it as a matter of favour. press any regret for what we have said.
A Juryman—We said no such thing. We did not . Mr. Brown (a Juror).—What! express regret for
say that we would not receive it as a matter of fa- doing our duty ! 0 no !
your; we merely said that we would proceed to the A considerable delay now took place, when
barracks. The ConoNea read to the Jury a letter which
A Juryman—Suppose the Jurymen do not go, will he was about to send to Mr. Hobhouse, in answer to
not the witnesses be left unprotected ? Who is to the one last received. It was in substance as follows :
ask the name; of those who may be identified? How " SIR—I beg to acquaint you that I have received your last
tan the business go on in the absence of the Jury ? letter, which I have laid before the Jury, and they desires me to
say,thaantythey, dildutntoont ionftecnioduntoincgomosmmunatickarteotof
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Mr. Sheriff WA ITLINI AN—I have not hitherto said State
P. wordaln this subject, because I have no right to big as a matter of favour, the attending to see the soldiers paraded
interfere with the Jury ; but I may be allowed to ob- to-morrow for the inspection of the witnesses; but that, without
serve, that the proceedings were these—first, that the at all bringing in question the nutter of right, it was their inten-
ciao to l attend i n their. capacity
Jury should proceed to the Barracks, then an amend- Coroner
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went was proposed, viz. that a request should be they will attend in their capacity as Jurors to-morrow at the
made to allow the Jury to be . present when the in- hour appointed."
spection of the Regiment took place. The amend-
This letter satisfied the Jury.
ment was negatived, and, when asked to accompany The CORONER said, that having received a polite
the Jurors to the Barracks, you, Sir, acceded. Now, note from the Under Secretary of State, he thought
Sir, I contena that it is the right of the Jury to pro. he might answer it without troubling the Jnry by
reading to them his answer. He then said that two
coed to the Barracks. Gentlemen talk of a Jury
o'
being refused to visit Newgate; but that is a matter clock to-morrow was the time fixed for the parading
of a very different nature; it is an extrajudicial pro-
of the troop.
ceeding. A Jury having done their specific duty, The Jury said they would all attend at that hour.
that of finding Bills, might, on proceeding farther, The examination of the witness was then conti-
or asking, for instance, to visit the jail, be refused. nued.—As soon as the pistol was fired, there was a
But the present case is wholly different. The claim general cry of " Shame !" and hooting—" Piccadilly
here made is to further the ends of justico—to further butchers"—" Murderers," &c.--U itness did not
those ends while the Tribunal is still sitting. Sup- know that any man was shot at the time, and he left
pose a paitieular garment; suppose a particular the spot immediately after. Witness thought be
mark on any garment or individual is likely to be should know the Officer : he had a boyish look, and
discovered in the Barracks • have not the Jury a just a very white face; and witness had always consi-
right to go to those Barracks, or to go elsewhere, if dered him a very young Officer when he had seen
by their inspection they are likely to come to a just him at the Horse Guards. Witness noticed that a
decision? Everythin that is likely to enable a Jury few of the Blues came up to the gates, and this Offi-
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so to decide, that Jury have a right to see ; but there cur called on them to disperse the people ; but they
did not regard him, and did not stir ; and soon after
is an offensive and an inoffensive way of putting the
proposition. Individuals may come to a resolution the gates were opened.
that they will attend at a certain place, in the hope By Mr. WAITHMAN and a Juror.—Witness did not
that they will be admitted into it without opposition, hear the Riot Act read. He did not see Sir Robert
ge to those Baker at any time during the transactions at Cum-
but if you send a sort of insulting message
Berland-bate. Cannot say whether the Officer shot
in power what is the consequence'—why, those who,
as in the present instance, are assailed, will say, " 0 the man. The Officer and Sir Robert Baker were
ou claim this; and therefOre, we will try it with ready at Kensington to go by the City; but Mr.
you?" Such a course is, in fact, nothing else but in- Bailey and Mr. Chippenden said they had their or-
viting a contest ders, and those they must attend to. He did not 1
Mr. Spicer—l have been of opinion all along, that know those Gentlemen, but he was told those were
having received one favour from Government, at our their names.
own request, we ought not to claim a right when we Some of the Jury here expressed their unwilling-
ought to ask another. There were eight to seven ness to go any further for the day. They were, they
against sending a formal request : that proposition said, exhausted from fatigue, occasioned by the heat
was clearly overruled, because it was asserted we had of the room and long sitting.
a right to proceed to the Barracks : that right I Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN said he would only call
doubted, and I doubt it gill. I think if there be an one man more, who was too ill to wait.
impartial man in the room, that man is the Coroner ; William Benningfeld, a mariner, No. 10, Queen-
he has no views to serve ; and the question is, how street, Ratcliff.—Witness arrived at Cumberland-gate
far is he justified in what he has done? I say, let before the Funeral Procession arrived there; he came
Gentlemen think as they please, that he is an impar- with the coach which had the crown and cushion on
tial inquirer between the King and the man that is board. After the Horse Guards had passed through
dead. Standing in that situation, he undoubtedly the gates he saw a person shut them, both sides were
had a right to acquaint Government with every shut. The soldiers immediately turned round and
thing that was done. began to cut at the people through the iron gate.—
The Form:tn.—Why did he not say that he would Two of the horsemen went through into the Park to
do so and so? Why did he send off a letter in this make room for the Procession. Witness then de-
private kind of manner? It is a direct insult to the scribed the confusion which prevailed at the gate,
Jury, and I shall ever consider it so. and stated, that he saw a soldier strike a man with
The Cottosiett.—l meant no insult to the Jury. his sword on the left side of his head. A Gentleman
The Gentleman acting in the absence of the Secretary on horseback near the spot said to him, " You villain,
of State sent an answer to my communication, and I you have shed blood !" and, at the same time, open-
thought I had a right to let him know what had sub- ing his waistcoat, he said, " If you want blood, take
sequently occurred. It was stated, that the entrance my life." The soldier made some answer, but wit-
to the Barracks would not be received as a matter ness could not hear what it was. The people behind
of favour. the Park-wall began to hoot at the soldier, and the
Mr. Sheriff Warrtimast.—ln all that I said on the soldier turned round and began to cut amongst them
subject, I left it to the Jury to make tip their own and drive every person from that part. Some person
opinion. I would not unnecessarily bring a right into at the same time threw a stone, which hit witness
dispute. It i. time enough, I conceive, to contest a and cut him desperately under the lip; he was at this
right, when that tight is denied. There are two ways time standing near the soldiers. A quantity of stones
of proceeding when a right is at stake ; and though were thrown immediately after. Witness passed
I would not rashly bring it into a dispute, yet I should through the gate and crossed over to Cumbei land-
alway, like to move in an upright position, rather street, which was blockaded with two light waggons
than crawl on all fours. I think the whole object and the iron posts laid across the road. Witness saw
might have been gained by the mere Resolution— some men remove the waggons, crowds then began
" That the Jury would attead." It is essential that to assemble round Cumberland-street, and the horse-
the Jury should attend ; and I think that, to accom- men (soldiers) began to run their horses amongst the
plish this object, they shculd draw up something, people. The people hooted and the soldiers struck sonic
putting forth no claim as of right, but pointing out of them with their swords ; but witness did not see any
the necessity of being present on such an occasion.— one cut ; the people were driven towards Park-lane and
This, I should suppose, would convey nothing of- to the Toll-gate, and witness went up to the Toll-house.
fensive ; and by pursuing this course, everything The hearse was at this time coming through the gate,
will be done. and witness saw some persons, he did not know who
A Juryman.—l thought the Learned Gentleman they were, attempting to turn the horses down Oxford-
who appears for the Guards would have no objection street. The soldiers rode up to them, and cut at
to introducing to the Barracks all those who were them repeatedly. Two or three minutes after the
desirous of entering? firing began the soldiers towards the toll-gate sheathed
Mr. Hastsoa.—The Gentlemen for whom I ap- their swords, and took out their pistols. Some of
pear cannot procure you admission to thh Barracks; them looked where to fire; some of them fired to the
but they have no objection to the appearance there toll-gate, and others over into the Park. One of the
of all the witnesses and Jurymen. soldiers came up to witness at the toll-house door,
A Juryman.—Why, I thought your client was and said, " You had better stand inside." Witness
Commander of the Regiment? asked if there was any danger in standing where he
Mr. Haarscisr.—So he is; but he has no controul was, inasmuch as there was no person near? The
over the Barracks. soldier said, " Yes, he feared there would be a great
A Juryman.—ls Lord Bathurst, then, Commander deal of mischief done." Witness went in, and almost
of Knightsbridge Barracks? immediately after a person brought in a soldier's
Mr. HANSON.—Oh! no; he is one of the Seereta- helmet; and soon after the soldier came for it. Wit-
ties of State. ness (William Benningfield) asked him if he was
A Juryman.—lt seems, however, as by the letter, much hurt; he appeared as if he could hardly walk,
he refuses to make any order respecting the Barracks, he was so much hurt in the knee; he asked witness to
that he holds that situation also. fetch his horse for him, which was at a little distance.
A Juror.—The best way, perhaps, would be to Witness went out for that purpose, and saw three sol-
summon the Adjutant of the Regiment before us.— diers standing in a triangle; two of them fired, and
Let him hting his muster-roll, and then, perhaps, we he saw a man drop near the rail of the Park. Wit-
will be able to proceed. If there be any additional ness had since seen the man Lying dead in St. George's
expense in consequence of delay, why the county Hospital. Witness knew nothing of the other man
must answer it. who was shot near Cumbetland-street. Witness could
A Jury man.—l am afraid, as was noticed here on not say whether he should know the soldiers who shot,
a former night, that a humbug will be attempted. but they were privates; did not hear the Riot Act read.
A. truss of straw, with a helmet on it, will be stuck up. A conversation then took place respecting the
1 have no doubt sonic paltry trick of that kind will mode of introducing the witnesses to the inspection
bo attempted. of the troops, to-morrow (this day). It was at length
The witness here said, " If I don't see the person determined that the witnesses should meet at the
to whom I can swear, may I make inquiry alter him? White Horse, at Knightsbridge, at one o'clock, when
What, in that case, am Ito do?"—Ile was answered, some persons should be in attendance to deliver tickets
you cannot swear to one you do not see; you must to them. The Jury also agreed to meet at the same
tied him as you can. time and place, to ascertain whether they would be
A Jurynian.—l think it would be proper to stop admitted into the barracks with the witnesses; and
d all those tickets, Mr. Coroner, which you have given till then, at half-past ten, an adjoin meat telok place.