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London, England, 1827-05-03 00:00:00

THURSDAY EVENING, MAY 3, 1827.

UNIVERSITY OF CAAIDRIDOL

THE SOLICITOR-GENER %VS COMMITTEE
meet daily at the Spring Gardens Hotel, Spring Gard/tar
when it is pardculiirly requested that all Commealeadons respect.
lag the approaching Election may be addressed.
Spring Gardens Hotel, May 2, 1827.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MAT I.
NSW LORDS.
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Soon after three o'clock, all the parts of the House
dedicated to die public and the Members of the House of Corn.
meet were entirely filled. The aides near the Throne, and some
of the steps leading to it, were occupied by Ladies. At balf-past
three o'clock, the new Lord Chancellor. Baron LaNDOIDAW, was
intnactucost by Lords KIND and HILAWAaaa, and after the %Mai
oaths had been adetinistenad to him, took his seat on the Woolsack.'
Viscount Gestates was then introduced by Viscounts MOLLS'
M4llO MaLTILLN; and Lord Paanntas tiTthe Marquis aft
Wale! and Lord Batista, as Bums of tVakeleaDitip,
41111111. After they bad taken the oaths and their sass.
Lord TiNTIOADIN (the Lord Chief Justice). attended to the bar
by the Arenaum•Gematt., Messrs. GOWN, bltautorr. and a
g~rreeaatt number of Barristers. in their robes, was introduced by
'Lords BUlre, sad &tiros ; his Lordship. having also token the
oaths end his teat.—The House adjourned during pleasure.
At flee o'clock the Lout CNASIVILLOa restated his seat en the
Woolsack, and the Peers selected the new places which they chose
to occupy. The Seceding Ministers, wish the Earl of Bram and
the Duke of Wat.s.marox at their head, took their seats on the
moss or Drum! benches.
The Marquis of LANIDOWN, Lords HOLLAND, Kato, Gape-
celesta, and a large portion of the former Opposition. were mar-
shalled behind the new Ministers. Earls GUT and LADDIRIDALS,
sad Lords Daces and itatassoaneou, were almost the only Whig
Peers of any note Who retained their former seats in the midst of
• large colony from the other rade of the House, including chiefly
the appeases to the Catholic Claims. The steps of the Throne,
and almost all the space before and round it, were at this time
crowded with Members of the Commons, amongst whom was the
Pint Lord of the Treasury. Some Ladles still maintained their
ground on the sides, and the space below the Bar was so crammed
with Members, Barristers, and strangers, that the Gentlemen of
the Press were entirely driven from their usual places, and forced
to perch up here and there on a vacant rail, to endeavour to see
tighter above the crowd.

MINISTARIAL SECUSIons.
Earl GROSVENOR, in presenting a Petition from the
County of Down, en favour of Catholic Emancipation, es-
pressed his conviction that Ireland had gained by the late
change in Ad ministration. There was now an Administra-
tion almost entirely favour able to tbe Question,whilu the
Members of the last were almost wholly against it.
But notwithstanding the opinion of the present Admi-
nistration on the Catholic Question, be believed that it
was the earnest wish of the Catholics themselves that
the House should not proceed hastily to legislate on the
subject. He himself thought it would be better to
pause on the Question till next Sprinp—He was re-
joiced at the Right Honourable Gentleman's elevation
as First Lord of the Treasury; nut the less so, per-
haps, from the triumph which he had gained over the
caballing seceders from the Administration, in fins.
crating their intrigues, and defeating their intolerance.
TneseNoble persons se ell knew the value of office, and
accordingly struggled hard to retain it—bring defeated
chiefly by their own over-reaching. Perhaps they were
Sorry for shat they had done; certainly the Public was
not. The Public knew by this time pretty well that ca-
pital in money and political conversions sometimes kept
company,and would not, therefore, be very much grieved
that thin de,erters had debarred themselves from testing
their consistency by adherence to office—(Laughter.)—
Those who entertained such hopes ought, therefore, not
to be anxious to press the question at this moment. He
was confiJent that till the existing Catholic restrictions
were repealed capital would never circulate in Ireland;
gut when the change took place capital would be more
Plentiful there; and prosperity the happy result.
I Lord ELLENBOROUGH was firmly convinced that
with a Government constituted as the present was, no
opportunity would ever be affordeclio discuss seriously
a Bill for Catholic Emancipation, and that the Noble
Earl would have to bring back his disappointed hopes
to his old side of the House. But there was at this
moment a question of paramount importance to the
whole country.' Since the Haute had last separated,
the whole of the Government bad been reconstructed.
On what principles, or whether in the total absence of
all principles, that Government had been reconstructed,
he was entirely ignorant. That it had been constructed
as it was with a view to permanence, looking at the
opposite benches, no one could suppose. Many indivi-
duals who bad held the highest offices under his Ma-
jesty had thought it fit and proper to resign those offices'
in consequence, their characters had been abused, and
they had been accused of the highly improper feeling
of wishing to dictate to the Crown. It seemed to him,
therefore, to be as essential to the maintenance of their
own yet Unblemished character' as.to the honour of that'
House, that they should take the first and earliest op-
portunity of explaining the circumstances attending
their resignations—(Cbeers).
The Earl of ELDON then rose.—He had now learne
for the first moment, that he and the Noble Lords who
had resigned their offices had been charged, and un-
mercifully charged, with concert in resigning those
' offices, and with the unpardonable offence of dictating
to their Sovereign ; he hoped that be might be per-
mitted, after having been so long a Member of that
House, and after having so long advocated principles
contrary to such an unconstitutional doctrine, to take
the first opportunity of standing up before them to state
that such a charge was a most base and infarn 'us ca-
lumny. As far as it applied to himself, and he believed
as far as any man dared to apply it to any of those Right
Honourable Personages who had resigned the offices
I which they held—(Cheers). That he himself should be
supposed to have been guilty, after having sustained all
the principles he bad so undeviating' y sustained, through
ill and through good report, of yielding to a doctrine
so unconstitutional as to affect to dictate to his Save-
reign, who should have the Government of the country,
subject to that controul which belonged to the two
Houses of Parliament, constituted as the Parliament of
this country was; was a thing that he would never hear
stated as far as regarded himself, without declaring
that it was a base and scandalous falsehood—(Cheers).
On the other hand, be would take the liberty of saying
that he had a right for die sake of his Sovereign's safety
wkom he had so long served, in dutiful attention to him,
and in dutiful attention to the memory of his father,
whom he had so long served, to state in that House,

and to his Majesty, that he never disguised horn him
any opinion he ever entertained on any subject sub-
mitted to his consideration. Whether it was a correct
notion entertained by the Noble Earl who had first ad-
dressed the House that conversions and capital went hand
in hand, he knew not ; but if capital, conversion,
and religion would go together, for GOD'S sate let
that Noble Earl' be at the head of affairs—(Cheers
and laughter). He did not mean to say that religion
and capital in some instances did go together ; he had
seen too much to allow him to say so. What he had
to say of himself, was this, and he spoke in the presence
of those who knew the fact—who knew that in what he
was about to state, he stated the tenth, that his notion
of resigning was a thought not new to him. He spoke
in the presence of many who knew that for years past it
had been a question with him whether he ought to re-
sign or not? and if he had retained office he had now to
declare before that House and the public, that he bad
eeteined it ►aeasts, -be had been desired to do so, be-
e fuse he had been urged to do so. And when the dr-
cumstauce of this 'change teak place, the question with
him was, not whether he should maintain a purpose of
resignation, but whether he should dismiss that purpose
of resignation which for some years past he had expres-
sed ? Could he continue holding office under the cir-
cumstances which had taken place of late? He desired
to have it distinctly understood that he had no personal
feeling with respect to any man, or dared to suppose
that his Majesty had not a constitutional inviolable
right to name whom he should choose to be his Minis-
ter. On the other hand. he felt that no man could do
his duty under such circumstances, without stating
whether in consequence of the choice which his Majesty
might make, he could usefully serve him. What he had
Ito say on the subject was this; he might be perfectly
right, or he might be perfectly wrong, and,he wished
to reason it on the supposition that he was perfectly
wrong, that with respect to the great and important
question of the Catholic Claims, it had a degree of 143.
portance attached to it which called upon the House
not to postpone a decision upon it any longer. The
House ought to have it decided. He had been one of
these who had been as instrumental as any body in hay-
ing had a decision upon it postponed, but he now
thought the time was come when it ought to be decided
—(Laughter). He begged to know bow it was possible
for any body in his situation to have done any thing but
what he had done? Meaning to resign, Wan Administra.
tion of principles similar to his own had been formed,
could it be supposed that he ought not to have resigned
when an Administration had been formed, as they had
been told, though he did not know whether it had or not
I—of perfectly different principles? The House would
allow him to say, that with his principles, and looking
at the principles of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had
got into office, (without saying that lie did not as zea-
lously and as anxiously maintain the principles he fos-
tered, as he (Lord Eldon) did his) he had again and
again cotisideied whether be ought not to have changed
his opinions ? and he had found it impossible. Conse-
quently, though he had found it possible cony he could
serve a Government having at the head of it such a
member as the Earl of Liverpool was, yet speaking with
all the regard arid respect he felt for the Prime Minister
of the present day, he did earnestly wish him to under-
stand (giviag him full credit for as much sincerity in
his principles as any man could possibly have) that if
the question now was what it was not—namely, whether
if he had had no ptior view of resigning, he ought now
to have remained in office? his opinion was that he
Ought pot. He knew that there were Members in the
House who entertained a directly contrary opinion, but
his decided opinion with respect to the question of the
Catholic Claims was, that it those claims were carried,
there was an end to the religious liberties of this coun-
try, and that with the end of those religious liberties,
the civil liberties of the country would likewise indis-
putably cease. This being his opinion, he would to his
dying day, in whatever situation of life he might be
placed, support the opinions he had hitherto maintained
—(Cheers). It was as silly as it was calumnious to charge
with conspiracy individuals so long tried, and so well
known, and perhaps it was equally silly in him to repel
such a charge ; and for the truth of this he appealed to
their Lordships common sense ; if they were brought
to trial for a conspiracy in a Court of Justice, the care
would have blown out of Court before the party accused
was called on for a tittle of his defence—(Cheers). He
had looked attentively and anxiously to the progress and
the consummation of
,the recent arrangements, and his
honest conviction was, that the present Administration
was not and could not be formed upon the same basis
as Lord Liverpool's. Lord Liverpool was an honest
and zealous opponent of the claims of the Catholics,
whilst the Gentleman who had succeeded him was as
zealous, and he believed as honest, an advocate of their
claims.HisLordship had experience enough to know that
a person who had been a mere component part of au
Administration possessed much more pnwerovhen he was
appointed to the situation of Prime Minister—(Cheers).
This observation was intended as an answer to those
who thought that that Gentleman's elevation would
still allow matters to remain as they were, His Lord-
ship denied most solemnly before his Gon that he had
acted in concert with any man, and declared that he had
not even seen their communications. There was no
censure too harsh to be applied to that man who should
dare to dictate to his Majesty the choice of his Minis-
ters. Bet if a man were asked his advice on such an
occasion by his Majesty, there would be na censure too
harsh, if he refused or hesitated to give his conscientious
counsel, and whilst he did so, he was acting in accord-
ance with the truest principles of the Constitution. His
Lordship had been long, perhaps too long, in the ser-
vice of the public, and he hoped their Lordships would
give him credit for sincerity, and believe him, when he
assured them, that nothing—no nothing—could ever
prevent him, during the continuance of his life, from
upholding the Constitution of his country, as established
by the Revolution. By the maintenance of that Con.
stitution only could we hope to preserve our civil li-
berty, and his experience, strengthened by the opinions
of great men, told him.that we should lay aside the be-
nefits of that Constitution, if we per mitted the encroach-
ments whiclf it was the object of sonic individuals to in-
tioduee. This was his honest conviction—his whole
life had been devoted to the support of the Constitu-

rioa, and he would
as he felt must introduce
;firmed as he was
tyranny. Alter
said, that perhaps,
conceived ; he mig,
own notions should
now done (said his

express the most si,

am under to you all
you have invariably given me in the arduous discharge
of my duties. I beg again to assure you of my eternal
gratitude to you for bearing wish my imperfection*
during the long, tont; period I had the honour of pro.
siding in this House.'—(Loud cbeers.)....Eff is Lordsbir
was affected almost to tears during the detiverrof the
latter part of his speech.
Ilse Doke of WELLINGTON
was loudly chalet-
= rising, and spoke to the following effect :—M y Lad
I do net rise for the purpose of dieting any obsegies
tions upon the Petitions that have been presented to your
Lordships, hut with the intention of sec
answer to the question from the Noble Baron (
borough) on my tight, the grounds upon which I tbrighe
proper to retire Irons his Majesty's Government. I lie!,
my Lot de, as strongly as any man can feel, the impro.
priety of entering into any explanation here. I feel that
I cannot reveal anything that bas occurred in confi-
dence between his Majesty and myself, or anything that
has occurred at his Majesty% Councils. 1 feel that it
is not competent to this House to inquire into the ceases
of the recent change in the Administration—but 1 like-
wise feel, that I have been most unjustly and calumni-
ously treated—(Loud cheers). I have been charged with
crimes of the grossest nature, by areas, which I believe
to be under the influence of Government. I repeat. my
Lords, that l have been most grossly calumniated--
And shall I not then, as a man, be anxious to vindicate
myself? The mote especially, as 1 shall be able to do
so without violating private confidence. On the 10th
of April 1 received a letter—and here I shall trouble
your Lordships with some details, which I think I am
fully at liberty to do. There are two points on which I
am anxious to vindicate myself, the one is my retiring
from his Majesty's Councils, the other for vacating
my situation as Commander of his Majesty's tortes.—.
His Grace here read the letter, which was to the fbl.
lowing effect:
" MT seas Dl7ll or WlTUallaTo7*-4111 Majesty, loan audience
flan which I base just returned, has been graciously phased to
direst that I should lay before him, with as little delay as possible,
a plan for the rensodelllng of the Administration. It is his Ma.
jesty's wish, and it would be as much my OWN that we should
adhere to the principles upon which the Administration of Lord
Liverpool was founded. " I am, Ara &c."
This letter (continued his Grace) did not contain one
word respecting the person who was to be placed at the
head of this Government. I was not desired by the Itt.
Hon. Gentleman to come. nor was I referred to any
body for explanation. To me the Right Hon. Gentle-
man neither came nor sent ; but I have since heard that
explanations were given to others of our colleagues....
The Right Hon. Gentleman either invited all to call
upon him, or else he waited upon them, or sent a
friend—(Hear.) But, with respect to me alone, noes-
planation was given, nor was I referred to any other
person. Having been for a length of time upon friendly
terms with the Right Hon. Gentleman, I was something
astonished, at his departing, in this instance, from the
observance of those forms of intimacy which had hi.
therto regulated our intercourse. I was, however, de.
termined not to be prevented from communicating with
the Right Hon. Gentleman in a fair and friendly marl•
tier, and, therefore, I wrote to him, on the 11th April,
this letter, which I shall now read. (His Grace here
read the copy of his letter. It commenced by an pc.
knoteledgment of Mr. Canning's letter. v. ith a repetition
of Mr. C.'s desire to adhere to Lord Liverpool's princi-
ples in the remodelling of the Administration, and r x-
pressed his Grace's anxious wish to serve in his Majesty's
Councils with the same colleagues ; but, before be gave
a final answer, he was anxious to know who had been
selected to a. t as the lr al of the new Government ?) la
answer to this letter I received one from Me. Canning,in
which the Right Hon. Gentleman says " it was gene-
rally understood that his Majesty entrusts the fornsati 3TI
of an Administration to the individual who is placed at
its head, and he had no reason to :uppose that his Ma-
jesty would deviate in the present instance from the
usual course of proceeding." This letter certainly does
not express a very earnest wish that I should continue
itt his Majesty's Government, and I, on the same
day, wrote a let:er to Mr. Canning, in which I
stated that ,1 had previously understood that an ar-
rangement of a different nature was contemplaied.—
It did not occur to me that the prat ice which Mr.
Canning has alluded to was so invariable that I should
at once be expected to conclude from his communica.
tion that the Right Honourable Gentleman himself was
to be placed at the head of the Government. Having
then, my Lords, concluded that there was little proba-
bility of the new Administration bring conducted
practically on the principle of Lord Livet pool's, or to
the satisfaction of the coentry in general, and feeling
that I could do no good, and that I should be at last
obliged to separate myself from the Administration,
thought it better at once to send in my resignation; and
before I proceed to speak about the command of the
Rimy, I shall say a few words with respect to the charges
which have been brought against me, of having aban-
doned his Majesty's Government. I consider the pre.
rogative of naming those Ministers on whom he can rely
for advice, and for conducting the policy of the country,
one of the most important with which he is entrusted
by the Constitution; and while under this conviction,
beg the House to judge of my conduct. I will suppose
that a Minister might unfortunately happen to differ
from his Majesty on some important subject, and it
must then be evident that the Minister cannot give the
same col dial assistance as if holding the same opinion
with his Sovereign. Let os now, my Lords, apply this
principle to the case before us. I feel that I differ from
his Majesty's Prime Minister on a question 111 at vitally
important; and I feel that I could not, when called
upon, give that proper and cordial support which a
Prime Minister is entitled to ask and to expect. Thep.
my Lords, with what face could I give my support 10
a Government founded upon principles diametrically
opposite to my own? It cannot be an answer, to say

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