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g I estimate for banding contribute which
inehig poorwi"inianireawdays compelled to to was
upwards of 40,0001. had been ex.
1701' 331 a. Ireally was a libel on common sense
?ceded upon rh t
ia talk of
protection to all persons under,
este.n equal
nding
g laws, if abuses such as those which he;
"
LreAnittatl)e e ed I
weresttto be tolerated. Tlie Act of Pattie-
' - which authnrited the building of the church in.
,-, - • • Icontained a clause.which authorised
enoxigiira con
€135". i
the erection of an organ, but it was objected to and was
1 et out. The trustees, however, had consulted
6,,nllstra„„„"iel as to " whether an organ might not be introduced
s',l,tbe name of an ornament." The Counsel had de-
:e,`inej that it might-.-(a laugh).and therefore an organ
liej been ptac.--4 in cher church, in., ite of the declared
,epieinn of Pattiament. or t is organPBool.bad been paid,
oinoel more for fitting it up—(Hear). The ttustees
416, church were net only self.elected, bat according
re !reissue of the Act, they were compelled to account
touch*, but to each other—(Hear). ere was one
such abuses, and that was by
one awde of
thecting
-profess theestablished
preventing persons who did not
religion, and were i inconnecte*
t tts 0d
en with the vestries, from
rt' churches. If, how-
being taxed to support
er, the system of unfair taxation were to cotinue, it
o
eisvld be much better to intrust We power ofn effecting
for instane
it—co a Protestant Bishop,
and a plasterer, professing
allow a carpenter, ',slater,
the Protestant idigiere, whenever they found & ensue..
nient and useful to them, to levy a sum of money, of
which each in his vocation obtained a share. It was
usual to bear th's canary spoken of as the paragon of
liberality, whilst Roman Catholic countries were equally
decried for their illiberality and prejudice. He would
leave the House to judge whether this character was
jest, after he had stated the conduct which a Catholic
mewl had observed towards Protestants? In 1791,
the Diet of Hungary, which, lite the Parliament of this
gamy, was composed of persons of different orders
i the conicaturty to the number of 600, or 600, came
to a resolution in the following, wordsa—"The Protes-
tant of this State shall not be called upon contribute
to the Catholics either in money or , nor shall
the Catholics, on the other hand, contribute to the Pro-
testants or to the 'establishment of their churches or
schools." This resolution was passed by a majority of
wore than three to one. In the same Diet Protestants
were declared equally eligible with Catholics to fill
every office and to hold every rank in the State. This
was the conduct of a Roman Catholic State, and yet it
was said that England surpassed every other country
in the world. He hoped that he had stated enough to
induce the House to take the subject to which he bad
directed their attention into serious consideration. It
struck him that one means by which the existing evil
night be remedied, was the rendering of first fruits
available, according to the intention of the Act of
Queen Anne. Another mode was a recurrence to. the
system which prevailed in the times of Henry VIII.
and Erizabeth, of making the Clergy support the
churches and the poor out of the tithes. The Aet of
Queen Anne operated differently with respect toEngland
and Ireland. In England the first fruits and tenths
were appropriated to the improvement of small benefi-
ces, but in Ireland the tenths were remitted, and only
the first fruits reserved for that , and yet the
rich Clergy of that country calCdTP:sPeon the intim-
wrished laity to repair their Churches. In the first in.
stance, therefore, he would propose that die lest 4reits '
should be made available for the support of the oh =hes.
—lf that should be refused. he wield them introdoce a •
hill to direct that, whenever any dime's should become
V7Callt,l report should be made to the Bishop of the die-
ters as to the state of the Church, and if it should
appear that the Church was not in a state to allow
or the performance of Divine duty, the 'revenues of
the benefice should be altogether applied to the re-
pair of the Church, with the exception of an allow-
oats for a curate to perform occasional service, and
that the incumbent should not enter on the living
soul the repairs were completed. !dome such legisla-
tive enactment was necessary to rescue the Clergy of
Ireland from the disgrace of compelling persons who
did not profess their religion to support their Churches.
The Hon. Baronet concluded by moving the following
Resolution: 44 That it apwars by the Irish Statute of
the 12th of Geo. I. cap. 9, that many Parish Churches
of Ireland, which were transferred at the time of the
Reformation into the possession of the Established
Chorch,were, in the year 1726, in a state of great decay,
that Divine Service could not be performed therein;
and it is also there stated that the said Churches could
lot he rebuilt or repaired in coosequeoce of the Popish
inhabitants out-voting the Protestants in vestries; that
the same and many other succeeding statutes, for the
purpose of removing such obstrectiotheotitiessed to enact
dining an entire century, that no Popish inhabitant in
any patio in that kiegdom should be permitted to vote
at any vestries; that although the emirs espied of pa-
rochial taxes has been vested hitherssemeellelisabitants,
aid although those pr (leasing thiihaholic:iallsienese
ezeladed from all possible interiments with tbseii: dm
cLerthes in many parishes have been allowed to con-
Once in a state of progressive decay t they became in
many instances absolutely ruinons,jwithout any attempts
being made by-the Protestant inhabitants, episcopacy,
or Government, to prevent such injurious effect.; that it,
appeals in the highest degree unjust to effect the re-
building of churches, allowed to become ruinous, by
time who had the power to prevent the dilapidation, at
the expense of share pitrishionees who meetleete Slime
of the parishes of Ireland the majority of the inha-
bitants, but *hoot the Legidsteit bat spetialfy ex&
eluded, for being Roman Catbolics,frons altinserieresee
in vestries,: Upon this resolution, if-carried, the Hon.
)Baronet stated his intention of founding a Bill.
Mr. GRATTAN seconded the motion, although ho
acknowledged his dread that the Right" Hon. the Ste
eretary for Ireland would render any Bill which might
be. introduced for the purpose of remedying this
grievance ineffectual. The power of taxing the Cathov.
lies of Ireland for the support of Protestant churches'
Might perhaps be endured, if exercised by Grand Jurors
sitting under the influence of an oath, but was intolera-
ble when placed in the hands of a few vestrymen meet-
ing in private, and having only their own purposes to,
late.
Mr. GOULBURN complained of the personal at.'
tlek which bad been made upon hied by the Hon.
!dauber for Wicklow (Mr. Grattan), and et the unfair
tie* *filch that Hon. Gentleman bad taken of his
vestry bill. He could not assent that all the propos'.
'tens which had been brought forward by Hon. Geode-
!hen on the other side had been attended to in it; and,
for the
he h
he
relative to the maintenance of the poor,
ad certainly been of opinion that a subject of so
much importance ought at least to become the object
a a distinct discussion or measure; but be believed it
would be admitted on everyhandillue the Bill as it'

lelookrOßO
ilaingshmees
boa linieleit
mififineess of
rates upon a
lected that no
a parishioner,
aot by the same .
important feature
that the appeal -
think themselves
clesiastical Court,
bishop himself, at
Sessions, in which
Protestants, might sit.
Right Hon. Member for Water:roe-0 position—that.
Churches of Ireland, subsequent to the Reformation,
i had been suffered to go to decay by the new authority
which had taken possession of the. So soon after this
change as during the Administration of Lord Strafford,
,the decayed state of the Churches in Ireland, and the
absolute want of Churches for the purposes of ordinary
worship in that country, had been the subject of com-
plaint. That the present state of arrangements in Ire-
Mod, which compelled the Catholic parishioners to con-.
tribute to the building of the Protestant Churches, was
abardship, he did not deny; net should he be disin-
dined to consider of anT course which might be sug-
gested for the alleviation of that grievance ; but
it ought to be stated fairly, what the real extent of the
Oconee complained of was, and to what extent it had
already been mitigated. The circumstances of the parish
of St. George in Dublin were peculiar and had no bear-
ing upon the general question: the fact was, that the
levy upon the population of Ireland for the building
and repairing of 'churches was not in itself large, and
its collection was so managed as to press in the4ightest
possible way upon the convenience of those who paid it.
The whole sum allowed for building each church was
1,4001. Fur the execution of the work, a large sum of
money had been lent free of interest.
Sir .1. NEWPORT inquired if the Right Vonourable
Gentleman was sure that this wan the case r
Mr. GOULBURN was perfectly owe of it. The
money Was lent withoUt interest. It was to be paid by
instalments, originally of six per cent. her annum upon'
the whole tau, which was 841. a year upon the 1,4030
but now of only four, fer cent. which reduced the amnia
„payment on the 1,4001. to 361. Under the operation of
'lbis law i 4 new churches, and 1162 new glebe.houses
had been built in Ireland. Each parish had new a
place of worship, and a house where a Minister could'
reside in. It was impossible for him to admit the prin-
eiple of laying any farther load upon the Clergy of the
ntry, whose incomes were already in many instances
inadequate to their maintenance in a state of respecta-
bility. He had in his hand a letter, written by a Clergy-
man whir was now, unfortunately, no more, bat of
*hose character, if he were to mention his name, no
person could entertain a doubt, which described thi
various heavy charges to which a living in Ireland was-
ilready subject. The living held by the Gentleman in
question was one of 1601. a year; out of this be bed is
pay for his first fruits 81.181. a year. and other 011,111114,'
amounting to 201. There was due to the late incum-
bent, on account of the glebe house, 178 L and
he had to pay for expenses upon taking posiession.
sides these charges, it was necessary, from the
'the parish, to keep a Ceram; ,and was the .
°pianos that it would be possible, upon persons
se burdened, to lay shy addisiseal espouse? I'
Hon. Gentleman, after again complaining that
have been held up by the Hon. Member for

as an enemy to the interests of that country,
vantage of which he had- exerted himself with his best
ability to promote, sit down by moving the previous
question.
Mr. JOHN SMITH had opposed, as might be in
the recollection of the House, the parliamentary grain
for building churches in Great Britain ; and he thought
it ae arrangement perfectly monstrous, that while
churches were built by this greet for the inhabitants
of England and Wales, who Weald have been content
to build them for drew:selves, the dolt of building
PrOtestant churches in Ireland should be expected to bI
defrayed by the Catholic population. For the enlogittli
which the Bight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) had
pronounced upon his own services to Ireland, he re-
gretted to be compelled to confess, that, as far as
his acquaintance with the people of that country
went, those were services to which they appeared en-
tirely insensible. The fact was, that our whole sysiem of
policy with respect to the sister kingdom was an absur-
dity ; and the farther we looked into any of the details ari-
sing out of that system, the more gross and monstrous
theabuses appeared. There were instances of which he
End heard, though they were not recent, of the greatest
distress having been brought on individuals by raising
Mosley for building Churches, and that, too, in parishes
where there were not above ten or twelve Protestants.
In cot:elusion, he thought chit Ireland would owe smo-
ther large debt of gratitude to his Right Hon. Friend
if be succeeded in his motion; and if he did not suc-
ceed, he (Mr. Smith) felt assured that the day would
come when they would be compelled to resort to some
measures in consonance with common sense and com-
mon justice. What ought to be done he could not say.
But, notwithstanding the present state of the finances'
be for one would net object to vote for a sum of money
for he erection of Churches. in Ireland:
Ms...PLUNKETT would not follow the course of the ,
HOU. Geotimums and his Bight Hon. Friend. He pet
it tit ISM of the House if it was quite fair and
t
to Shia many general measures of Govern-
tient, mi *Motion, which concerned the building of
chord:nail:ly? What had the recovery of small debts
to demi& thesobject ? He for ossehad received no notice
of any discustiou on the law for recovering small debts,j
DOT bad he been able to make the most remote guess at
the nature of the observations of his Right Hon. Friend
—least of ell could be have expected that they would
have referred to the grievances of the last century. He
could not see what connexion the St. George's Act of
179$ had with the question. Some grievances which
before prevailed had been guarded against by that
Act. If the carpenters, bricklayers, masons, and all
the Protestants in the parish, were to league together
according to the worst apprehension of his Right Hon;
Friend, to assess the parish for the building or re-
pairing of a church, or for purchasing an organ, it
was in the power of any one Catholic or Protestant to
appeal, not to an ecclesiastical, but to a lay tribunal. It
such conspiracies of bricklayers and carpenters etisted
in the last century, the resolutions had nothing to do
with that. It was allowed on all hands that the Pro.'
I estant Churches must be kept up, and that it was no
reaton for allowing them to tall into decay that desk
were few Protestants amongst the parishioner!. The
effect of the present resolutions would be to prevent the

. , fruits from s.
See of Rome to the Crown, and from the Crown to its
own Commissioners, had never contemplated any other
assessment than upon thevaluation in the Queen's books.
Certainly it was never intended that it should be ac-
cording to the varying value of the benefice.
Mr. SPRING RICE justified himself and friends
from every imputation of hostility to the interests of
the Protestant Church, of which' they were true mem-
bers and firm defenders, though in a sense differing
considerably from the seal of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman. He had very anxious hopes, that if the re-
solutions of his Right Hon. Friend were rejected,
lathers df a more specific eature to which the Right,
Hon. Gentlemen opposite had pledged their specific
support, would immediately be introduced.
Mr. Secretary PEEL expressed his readiness to give',
the -Hon. Gentlemen opposite the fullest credit for their
declaration, that in supporting these resolutions, they
were desirous to promote the real interests of the Este-
isliabed Church, while at the same time be claimed for
nitneelf and his colleagues the same credit for mean-
ing to exemptias much as possible, the Catholic tenantry
•rif Ireland from undue burdens. He hoped, therefore,
.that.shis question would be discussed upon its own in.
isinsic merits, and without reference to the diversity of
opinion which prevailed between them upon what was
called the Catholic question(Hear.) He then defend-
ed his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Goulburn) from the sar-
casm witch had been thrown upon him for his Bill of
last year, that had. in point of fact, materially benefited
that part of the-Catholic.population to which it applied.
The attack upon the Vestry Bill was therefore uncalled
for; and the assistance which his Right Hon. Friend
had given in the Tithe Composition Bill ought not to
be forgotten in the sister kingdom. With reference to
the present question,the course of proceeding by rack.
lions was extremely objectionable, for it precluded that
discussion either of principle or details, which was practi.
cable in the introduction of a specific Bill. He was
wry that this discussion had been embarrassed by alto-
sions to cases of peculiar grievance in the levies on same
parishes, and particularly respecting the local. Act *foe'
St.'George's parish. It ought to be remembered that'
the latter was altogether a private Act, and if it had
inflicted a grievance, the remedy was surely by a repeal
of the objectionable clause, and not by the introduction
of an irrelevant measure. It was,equally wrong to mix
up cases of spoliation and outrage with the present con-
sideration, for ales ought to be punished and repressed
ref:tents of the 1r topics whicbhad

being
one class of Dissenters were to be so far relieved, what
reason could be assigned for not releasing all other
classes who were not within the pale of the Established
Church? Such a proposition would require very serious
consideration, for the inevitable consequence would be,
that all who were indifferent to the reformed system of
worship would declare themselves Dissenters, for thil.l
purpose of escaping this tai—(Hear).—Undonlited/Pl,l
ire was prepared to admit that if one class of Dissenters'
'alive than another deserved to be looked upon in a
more favourable light than others, it was the Roman
*Catholic occupiers of land in Ireland, for they had to
provide their own churches. as well as to assist ini
making the same provision for the other church by loan.'
Put while he entertained these feelings tower:lathe Ro.
man Catholic occupier of land, he felt them not fee Mt
landlord, and more particularly for his Protests*
landlord, and still more so where he happened to bb
an absentee.. Of all men, for him he had no consider*,
tion—(Cheers).—He would not, indeed, compel him tie
reside in Ireland, bat he would not exempt him, if bb
could, by a bounty on his absence, ant for the purpo '
of casting the price of that bounty upon others:(Cbsers
i
With reference to the Right Hon. Baronet's second pk 1 I
position, for the insertion of a future clause into lessee);
to save the Roman Catholic tenant, and throw the,
weight upon his landlord, he was rather favimnable to
the consideration of such a regulation, if be could, see
his way through the prevention of any abuse of its pro.
visions—(Hear, hear). He did feel for the poor tenant
who had taken his lease without any expectation that
a Church would be built near his land, and who had
'afterwards to meet the expense of such a building.-1
With these Impressions, and with the utmost desire
to go hand in, band with the Right Hon. Barotrt in
giving a full and calm consideration to such parts of his
plan as he bad allude& to. if brought forward in thy'
forth of i specific Bill, be hoped he would withdraw'
his present resolutions, otherwise he should meet them
by the previous question, which would net prejudge the
future consideration of the condition-of the Irish tenan-
try, or decide against hearing their complaints. As to
the extension of the plan to Ireland, which had been
acted upon in this country in the mode of building
new churches, by making certain public advances for
that purpose, he was not prepared to say how far that
could be realized. At all events. he was not averse to
the consideration of this branch of the subject if in-
troduced in a different form.
Mr. HENRY GRATTAN complained in strong
terms of the heavy taxation inflicted upon Ireland by
the present mode of levying for the use of the Established
Church. Above 1,620.0001. had been thus taken from
the people since the year 1820. He contrasted this plan'
of supplying churches for the established religion, with
that resorted to for the erection of Catholic chapel&
Sir J. NEWPORT, in reply, said that he should
withdraw the resolution, and simply move for leave to'
bring in a Bill, for amending the laws relative to the
.rebuilding and repairing of Churches in Ireland, and
lot relieving occupying tenants from church rates on'
certain occasions.
After a few words from Mr. G. Dawsow, which were
not audible in the gallery,
Sir J. NEWPORT said. that he merely withdrew the

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..art hearing, _
question of great importance to all the eostamercial
interests of the country. His object was to shew that
the law authorising the arrest for debt did not affect
its intended object, while it inflicted a cruel punish-
ment upon many whose misfortunes alone reduced them
to it. He had moved for returns, which were now
before the Hoase._thewing that 3,130 persons *era
confined upon-one given day in the prisons of the Me-
tropolis for debt. By the same returns, it appeared
that between eleven and twelve thousand persons had
been arrested For debt in one year under the warrant of
the Sheriff of Middlesex. He should shew that this state
of things crowded the prisons so as to produce the
most distreasing scenes of sof:feting and depravity within
those receptacles. In the King's Bench Prison the•re-
turns stated that 950'persons were confined at one time.
About 140 or 200 might be in the Roles; but at bne
time 750 persons were confined within its walls, and be
should shew that it was not calculated for the condom
of half that number. The Hon. Member then stated
the number of debtors confined in the Fleet, Whiteeross-
street, and Marshalsea Prisons, and represented them as
being overfilled in the same proportion.' And when it
was considered that besides the suffering to which
many of the unfortunate prisoners were exposed, "very
few of them could return into society without conta-
mination, after being placed is such close contact with
the worst possible characters, he thought the Hone
would see the necessity of some alteration in the law
which was the cause of all the mischief. He dwelt
apes the eslienses attending" the processes of bail and
from prison, and said the expenses of bail=
not to be greater in cases of debt that is cri
charges; whereas the cost of bailing a charge of
criminal offence was only 4.. 6d. while a man arrested
for a debt of 101. after going throeih all the trouble-
some and tedious forms, could only pat in bail at an el.
pence of 31. 10s. The law of debt was widely different
in Scotland from law upon the sae* subject in N-
land. And he trusted, that if the law Of this
country were not abandoned altogether, it would slt
least be assimilated to the law of Beotlend es soft Iss
ipossitle. In Scotland no man was arrested for debt. The
debtor was compelled to give bills and bonds, and while
they were dishonoured, the warrant of a Magistrate was
issued against him after five days notice. Our law,
although so severe upon the small unfortunate dSbtor,
, suffered the rich debtor to live in luxury and spend his
E estate, while not one shilling of it could be applied to
stion of justice. By the law of -
avoided,

were ,
suffering 11,
' fees, after

the original debts were paid. _ Hon. Member read
several Reports of Commissioners appointed to inquire
into the state of Prisons ten years ago. He drew
the attention of the House to the Report made in. 11114.
and gated that since that period no improvement had
been made. He complained of the manner in which
men and women were confined together in the Fleet.
The prison in that respect was a scene Of vice and ills..
naosality. A decent woman arrested and carried to the
Fleet was ruined for ever. The Hon. Member *Hided
to the want of medical attendance, and described a
recent death in the Fleet to. have been occasioned by
the want of assistance in a state of illness. The conchs-
*.
be came to was, that the prisons were not fit fbr
twere
he uses to which they apfliid. It also became a
quake whelbet imprisonment or we proem could
not be dispensed with ?-''lyre Hon. Member moved—
That a &We Comidater lie Opeietneit to etiquire into the state
of tie X King% &nabs_ ,Meradena. Fleet, Whitarreis &met, and
Lose moons the state eat resort Imprisoned for ell=
isrOwirt, and ssynsent of Iree& The si-
eassenieeitnisde for the simuip at the same since the Capon
of a Committee laid before **.nears In late, and whether the
rims asthenia/id imprisonment kr debt, Br.c.&c. •
Mr. HOBMOUSE seconded the motion, bet consi-
dered the inquiri too large. He thought it would be
bitter to divide it into two parts. Had the terms of
the motion applied only to inqui4 into the state of the
pythons; they might have had a chance deeming to a
lio^clusion. The change contemplated could not be
carried into effect. Many systems which had grown
out of the laws must be changed before they could
change the system of imprisonment for debt. At the
same time he considered the House and the country
obliged to the Hon. Member for Aberdeen for the ht.
tention be had paid to the subject: His hope was, that
the Right Hon. Gentleinan would be disposed to grant
the Committee. and that the House would be put into
a condition to know bow far they could correct the evils
of which the }fon. Member complained.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mated the Ram
Gentleman who bad made the motion, that ha was utst
disposed (the hour being late} to go into the arguments
which had been urged over and over again. to prove
the necessity of imptisoninent for debt. The House
must be aware, that the abject had un consi-
deration on several occasions, and that

the opinions of the most
Dr. Johnson, who wrote
turned his mind to the
lowed that imprisonment
antisocial feeling. The
tertained by many taffeta.
of Hastings, then Lord
utmost extent. At the
solvent Debtors' Acts
they were annual, and that
of the odium which had
debt. It was' almost it
deliberately maintain that
civil debt ought not -
Gentleman objected to
had passed.
Mr. HUME here observed, be objected
before and afterthe verdiet.
Otte ATTORNEY•Gunat AL

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MA Materially to hate meg oCedonliceirem.papiegebenseataambiatemeausu
aces to which the peoPla of Ireland had the existing law. If the Right liest:Gentleman would to Wig is oppased,
under the old vestry syitens. For the bring his motionitt the form ofttealt with certain new dread refer. knambetinestecitsbelffoeses • •
allowing Protestant vestries to make diScations which be would prop^ he was prepared Mr. feevetteepillEL said, that helatopel the Hew
Catholic population„ it must be to give it his most earnest mention. He justified earemn iivoi4,ldnot.firessanyobeerwatien;Ohisiseppme
vestryman' could make any rate upon the Act of last Session against the complaints which that any one was pledged to sopporitheall. Meheped
Protestant or Catholic, which he did had been made of its te.enacting clauses. It was the Hen. Baronet would, at ail ekeists, defer the seceesd
le act impose upon himself; and a most in the nature of a consolidating Act that it should reading of the AMU till aka the iselidays.
cure of his (Mr. Goulbura's) new Bill was, be so. The Act did not create
,any of the grievances After I few Words (tom Mr. BeelritoilP and &el.
I against any rate by which parties might chenplained of, though it gave a remedy for many Nitensolef lemmier
wzen teibrieg in the Bill. .
'es aggrieved, was removed from the Et- which existed before, and imparted new privileges to lir. B. DEMI obtained ism imbiber us 11111wes.
sent, which was the Court of the Arch. the Catholics. He would utterlyinsist any Interpreta• efiloo°, errai.44l:,lolBlo,4rekvis &admit.
1, and carried to the Court of Quarter tion of the First Anits Act whith went to oppress that tiZre'-':*** e.tr.'"l,bb ith;;;;usollisTradar• ""1"/" 111*.
bids Catholics, as Magistrates, as well as most meritorious and worst-paid body of- men, the LAM OE DEBTOR ADO 0112D1TOIL •
tight sit. He denied the accuracy of the Parochial Clergy. He insisted on it, that the law, which Mr. HUME claimed the indnigenee of the Banat*
[ember for Waterford's position—that the in' both countries had conveyed the first fruits from the a short bearing, while he called their attention to a

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701:more without reference to any of the larger topics whicbhad
ssion. Be- been introduced into this discussion—(Hear.) He the satisfaction of justice. By the law of Scotland these
evils were avoided, and he contended that by adopting
e extent of could not concur in the broad proposition which had a similar sysembin this country, even the creditor would
House of been sketched by the Eight Hon. Baronet, namely, that
Its &beady the Roulan•Catlicgic peasant odght tot tb be burdened be placed in a better sitoatioa. The Hen. Member then
alluded to !roues hind the Insolvent Debtors' Court,
The Itsgkre, with arty share of estpierro for the 'sort of proms. 'hewing the extremely satin proportion of debts paid
he should- tint chinches. If that principle were good foe be in proportion to those for which persons were arrested,
r Wicklow land, why not equally so for England? Then see and mentioned cases of long and severe suffering front
ri the ad• the length to which it was capable of being carried. If imprisonment upon the Attorneys' costs and fees, after
eh hi. luat nile class of Dissenters were to be so far relieved, what the original debts were paid. The Hon. Member read

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