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with which the Nobility and Gentry removed to
other countries was one of the causes of their distress,
by depriving them of employment ; that the heavy
taxation operated in the sarsie manner ; and adding;
amongst oilier grievances, that the City of Landon
and the County of Middlesex were not represented
according to their population.—Read, and ordered
to he on the table. a.

MIGRATION OF SINECURES. •
Sir R. FERGUSSON seeing a Noble Lord in his
place, inquired whether a report of a most gratifying
:nature which had been spread in the cootie of the
y was true ; that a Noble Peer, deriving ao im-
mense revenue from his sinecure, had followed the
example given by the highest authority in the land,
and alandoning all the profiteof his office,had deter-
mined to receive the reduced salary of £2500 a-year ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that the Noble
Marquis alluded to (Marquis Camden) had given
up the profits of.his situation to be placed on the re.
gulated footing of 2,.500 a year—(Near, hear, hear.)
As that Noble Marquis had a vested right in the pro-
fits of his situation, no law could have deprived him
of them, but he had only waited for an opportunity
of making his present sacrifice, and reduce himself to
the same salary as the other Tellers of the Exchequer,
until the example had been set by the highest quarter.
Sir R. FERGUSSON 'congratulated the Noble
Peer on his conduct, and the country on the exam-
pie which be hid given, and which he hoped would
be followed by others.
•
• errittoss troa ltErolt3l
Lord COCHRANE presented a Petition from the
inhabitants of Lymington, in the county of Southamp-
ton, in favOur of Parliamentary Reform. 'The Fed-
atm having been read,
Mr. LOCKHART objected to a passage which he
deemed insulting to the . House, and which he de-
aired should be read again. The passage alluded to
was then read; it stated that all the grievances of
ithich the petitioners complained, had their rise in
the corrupt gate of Parliament, who, instead of being
under the controul of the peorle,, had become a con-
troul upon it.
Lord CASTLEREAGH should object to the pe-
tition being received, on account of its faupage.
Lord A. HAMILTON spoke in favouf. of receiv-
ing it. The House divided, . ,
Against the Petition, 72—For. it, 4:5-741440rity
against its being received 29.
On our re-admission to the gallery we found Lord
COCHRANE presenting a petition for Reform from
the town of Wick, in Scotland, and at the same tiMe
animadverting with extreme warmth on what he cha. •
racterised as the scandalous conduct of an Honour-
able Member, (Mr. Thornton, a Bank Director)
who had voted against receiving the last petition
without having heard a word of its contents.-(Lard
tries of Near, hear.) df any one circumstance more
than another furnirhed one of the stiongest.argu-
ments and motives for Parliamentary Reform, it was
this—that an Honourable Member should go to the
question, and divide against the petition, without
having heard it. He trusted the House would hear
again of no sock lamentable ezample of diuegird to
the prayers of the people, and of neglect of the Chief
duties of a Member of Parliament, 6, otherwise, I
hope," said the Noble Lord, addressing himstlf to
the Speaker, le it willbe marked and reprobated by you
Sir."—(Lord and easehasse slaws of hoar, hear.) He
should wish indeed to call for a vote of the kLuse in
reprobation of such conduct; and if be found she
motion not contrary to the rules of the House, he
Should certainly codeine& to call forth their send.
menu upon it.
Sir .1. SIMEON-As it appears to me that the No-
ble Lord refers to gomething in my conduct.—( Cries
of No; no, upon which the Hon. Baronet sat down.)
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT. (alluding to the case
of the Honourable Member, the Bank Director) said,
he never could have conceived it possible that any
Representative of the people should so far have for-
gotten his duty to bie constituents and the people, as
nil to reflect that helms: placed there as the guardian
of the people's rights; and if be -happened to be ig-
norant, as in the present instance, •of the tone tit law
image of a petition, that the natural feeling. ..of a
'Member of a British House of Commeise should, hire,
*ten in favour of that cherished-Consiientiohal right
'of every subject, the right of petitioning'. • Brat etlis
it was that. Parliament had become a bye-tiord, and
any thing but a representation of the people-4o that
if a Minister only give a hasty opinion upon a peti.
tion to that House, withobt even assigning any one
pan as being the cause of its inadmissibility, those
'who were charged with the preservation of the coun-
try's dearest rights, were found ready, like poppets,
to move at the leek of his Majesty's Servants--(Neer,
hear.) This, indeed, was a dreadful' sample to bol
out to the 'country, of the care and attention paid to
their entreaties—a dreadful sample of the corriOt
state of that House, 'if the maxim were time, that
front a fingegjou may judge of the proportion of the
whole statue, rarely the world would pronounce a
most severe. thdbgb st censure upon that Honse—
.(Nese,44,; h&)- falsely denominated the'Parliinseat
of the country. .
The SPEAKER spoke to order. It was unpar-
liamentary to say that this House was not the Com-
mons' House of Parliament t such language was not
to be endured from soy Gentleman.—(Crier of Hear,
llear.)
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT resumed...-Whether
it was language 'which the House would not endure
be could not sa t " but at any rate," addressing
bitoseg to Mr. Speaker, I may be permitted to
add, that after what you yourself once said, as to
what would be the feelings and language of our an-
cestors with resard, to practices which had been
proved toga* ut•tba mode of procuring seat; in that
Hogae-..after a 'loble Lord opposite *tad been iiiims-
41f detested in one must nefarious and ritagrace4l
jpirfctice, that.of bartering apublie offno for a neat to
slwa House—(,Load aid hoodlum:: ohms .4 stip:,
how)-7-We may surely be permitted tisstirop
.pretusions to unsullied purity of
Unless, indeed, the people complain specie...l4.d
that abominable traffic in which the Noble Lord was
detacted,_ unless they may venture to complain in
was& as decent as the, act itself was vile and
cent, Itnow not how the question of Parliamentary
Reform can be brought. tide the consideration of
the House or of the. Public.—(!rear, rear.)—Ose
would have thought, from what had been once the
contraction of the Bill of ilitts, that the propeiety
of receiving a Petition woo have depended ups

the weight of grievances coMpla'ned of, the necessity'
fee their being redressed, and die numbers and re-
siteCtibilib, of the signatures attached to that Peti-
bon.- But no such thing. This House was no longei
to be affected by the complaints of the people it re-
presented, if due attention were not paid to its cor-
rupt and sickly sensibility. The key to this House
consisted iu respectful attention to its feelings and
adulatory language. The corruption of the system
was general, and bad spread itself outside as well as
inside those walls. Even the Country Magistratei
were found breathing falsehood and calumny against
the public in their legal meetings, and chara.4ng
them with being met together for purposes of blOotf-
shed and outrage, when it was well known, that in
no one instance had the persons who had met to peti-
tion been accessary to riot at all. Even in the Me-
tropolis, the persons collected with the intention of
petitioning had never interfered in the outrages which
took place ; in fact, they-were peaceably passing
their Resolutions at the moment a few desperadoes
were attacking the property of their fellow-citizens.
Are then the Magistrates to have a carte-Mamie to
abuse and calumniate those meetings, which must,
from their object, be offensive to corrupt Governors ?
But nothing was extraordinary now-a-days. What
solemn mockery were we new condemned to 'weep
even under the sacred form of prayer to the AL-
MIGHTY, within these walls consecrated to His ser-
vice alone ! (Hew, hear.)--What daring hand had
penned that gross and scandalous insult to the feel-
ings of every mar., alive as be hoped they all were,
to the safety and respect due to the sovereign autho-
rity of the country, that becomes the true triends of '
the Constitution, and, therefore, of the sovereign au-
thority! Who had dared to insinuate in this Form
of Prayer, that the whole people of England were.
seized with madness—(Hear, hear,)—that a serious
and premeditated attack bad been triade upon the lite.
of that august Personage who, had he consulted only
his own candour and good sense—his own generous,
and magnanimous disposition--would never have'
permitted any of his servants to have calumniated his.
faithful people, by representing that, which, un-;
doubtedly, was a gross and atrocious insult againstl
his person, as a premeditated, murderous attemptt
against his sacred life; and this too in a Form of
Prayer, to be continually, as it were, ringing our dis...
'grace in our ears?—(Hew, bear.).-He knewpreftY
well the temper of those measures which might be ex-
pected.' But whatever might come out from that
bag, whose secrets had been proved soureyears ago
so tatal and ominous to the country and its liberties,
he had already seen enough of the temper of Minn-
tees to prognosticate enough of evil and of suffering
to the public, and their dearest interests. He appre-
hended there was enough contained therein to revive
and bring again those scenes which the Noble Lord,
from his experience in another country, might motet'r
plate, without either terror or aversion—(l/ear,)
but which he (Sir Francis) could not suggest to his
own imagination, without disgust and abhorrence.
The boldest heart might, he feared, be dashed with
dismay, did It but know what were the instruments
prepared, and what the fell dispositions arrayed
against the public wish and the people's prayer..--
(Lied crier ef Hear, arid therriaarserhir Opposition ride
of die Haut )—He concluded'with stating, that after
what bad been the fate of the hist Petition, ana what
be had seen of the disposition of the Gentlemen op-
posite, as he had so many Petitions confided to his
charge, he felt little encouragement to hope that se-'
veral of them might not share the fate of the last.
- Mr. THORN lON said, that on the qUestion being
put, he felt it his duty, from the manner in -winch
many other Petitions had been worded, and .from use
opinion be entertained of the Honourable Members
judgment with whoin be had divided, to vote against
the Petition, particularly u he was not aware it was.
his privilege to have the Petition again redd;triform
a judgment thereupon. But as to the reflection cast
on his conduct by either the Noble Lord or the Ho.
nourable Baronet, he was altogether indifferent to
their praise or censure.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he would not
reply to any part of the personal attack which the
Honourable Baronet bad thought proper-to nuke on
himself. With regard to the rejected:Priam, be
could say, that the House would not act or* Abel
dignity which became its high functions, if it did not
resent the insult which was contained in that Petition.
Lord COCHRANE rue to- order. The Noble
Lord, after what had already passed, was not justified
in throwing imputations on the motives of the Meet-
int7dol whence the Petition proceeded.
CASTLEREAGH again rose, and, revert-
ing to the same subject, was again called to order by'
Lord Cochrane t but
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The SPEAKER. interfered,, remarking that she
Noble Lord wes entitled to be beard out; though it
would probably be best to confine himself to what
was immediately before the House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH proceeded. The reason
whfle had objected to the Petition was, it* assertion
that Parliament was assembled.solely for the purpose
of imposing .burdens on ilw people& As to the Ho.
nourable Baronet, he (Lord Castlereagh) was glad
to remark, that the reproof, he received from the
Chair had Midi him recant' his aspersions on the
House.—(Sir F.turrnerr—=" I diti•not recant.")—.
Why, then, it might be safely said, that the Honout-
able.Baronet came there that night to atone, by a
studied insult on the House, for the reproaches which
bad been cast upon him eisewbere . for his absence
from those Meetings. He ihookl never feel hiaiscll
called *pop to reply to my iserionalitiel • levelled
against himself, when tabled 'op; as is the present in-
, stance, with en attack on the. House.*---(11.or, /rear.)
Mr. FREEMANTLE said,.he had voted Wulf*
Petition, because he had seen more violently worded
Petitions received in 'that. Hotiselreloz, but_ totild
bat agree with the character drawn of tratiliattfetft by
the Honourable Baronet; he, on the cantraria tigmo4
that at this moment.the country weretisboitely
debted m the exertion and zeal of that l se fn the
'behalf of the country,
The Petition Was then read arid laid bn the
On the motion of Lord A. HAMlLToN,'aiiti &Weil
few words from Mt. Lkintaorors, theie was ordered
tq be produced, a. memorial from, the Vitiversity of
Glasgow to the Treasury, dated March 15. ISO,
setting forth the hardships imposed upnn *them by an
act annulling the drawlisck on paper formerly allowed
for books prietled at the Uniiersity Press:"
Lord LASCELLES presented 'die Petition of Cer-
tain CipthAraikert is the*Weat Riding 'if the County

lof York, relative to the adoption of macros. :i•
,t,
great an extent in the manufactory of chat, as s,
prevent their usual line of occupation, and hr. 7.
I grievances.. The Petitioners were numerous. „i
therefore; thonph private, strictly speaki;•e, IL, i',..
tition had some of the features- of a pelei Petii,„
from the nunerons•class el, men etf.tted by 1,;,!
grievances complained of.- . The Petition ueino reaa.
Mr. BROUGHAM' expressed his satisfactiee ,it
the yetyjudiciotis manner in which a question st, se„.
portent seeming, cuss of the peopte.had heel, hp.
forward by the Noble-Lord. Such was the
to give satisfaction to the people, by treat,
penticeubwith respect and attenlion. lie fell
convineedThet the rnasr of the nation Wes
heart, and notwithstanding the caluren es it
been uttered aglinsethOms that-they le..ked
liement alone toe • relief and -testi-m—(llm
long as they were permitted peateobly ;0
their grievances in petition to the Legislai
'long were they sound, aid tliteConstitutiseil
far at least as •their condlict•went to affect it
fit,. He lamented that the use of a:whiner]
have produced distress among the labourite.,
and particularly as Vie intention of adopti
' measures to limit the- employment of it was
the question ; but as on the one hand it was rte,
to throw any people out of employment by
of machinery, so was it extremely severe
other to prevent their emigration to other '4(
;where their talents and industry would ht
rated. The question was of consideresideimei
embracing some nice considerations .ot.po:icy
'however, was clear, thetßowever deceived• the
workers may have been in the cam*, and ter
their distress, however considerable theist-vise
endeavouring to destrey the machilery,itseis
ings illirstrated the general.situ el tiOU re the
The use of machinery, which ia• other times,
under better circumstances, ought to have mar
the comforts and happiiiess of the people, by
ing their productive power!, ness-tom.hrtothe
gumless' to their miseries; and the co.intity'
and the demand for labour were so neatly Ist
that it by any means pet snits were terown neat
ployruent its ene point,' they found it imps
;mecum employmeut in another. As he -i
ehortlytto.drewthe attention of the House to
tressed stite of the manufactures and i trade
country, he sloould not enter at present into
jecti. 'Being on his legs, he thought roper 1
that a mistake bad gene aloord respecting so,
.pressione he had used in the House on the last
of meeting. The incorrectness, lie was sure,.
intentional, but his words had no refelence
proceedings on Sunday respecting the arrest .
persons. Until the House received the Itsport
Secret Consmittee,lt would be unwise in any 0 '
to hazard ap opiniOn respecthig their nieasurt
Lord CASTLEREAGH declared itifil
anxious as any Member of the House to efferi
facilitiet to the receiving of petitions, when,
present, they -were couched in respectful lat
He wins confident, if the people were left ar
selves, and allowed to express their own hone:
lags, there would exist no cause for refusing
doom- Bat there were persons who atteao
mislead the minds sit the people, and inieice ,
degrade Parliament •in public min:a:vie and
attempts he should ever strive to discourage.
• After a few words from Lord LAt-CELLLS,
tition was Lid oh the teble.
Sir C. MONCK moved for' various papers ,
to the rental of the estates of Greenwich Hi
lying in the counties of Northumberland ar
barn, for several years beck, as well as accnniu
repairs nucleon the estates during a similar pt
• Mr. LONG said, he had no **vim. Oi
Mr. BROUGHAM remarked, that in
quence of the etiforcement of the 'Contieened
under the influence of Bonaparte, the useal
accounts of the shipments made to the
during the war had not specified the ports
the various vessels sailed from this country.
could now, however, be no objection to such
cation; and he should, therefore, now moot
account.ql• the number of vessels which ha,
during the two last years from the various
this ternary to all parts of the world, up to tl
periled that the account could be made up,
guishing British from foreign vessels.
After a few words.fram Mr. HUSKISSO
papers were ordered; as were also accouou
produce of the annual customs ter one month.
the sili February, 1816, and .sth February,
spectively ; together with similar accounts of
' duce of the excise foe' the same period in eat
Mr. PETER hIOORE presented. a petition
the city of Coventry, praying for a reduction •
public burdens. The Honour:lbl. Gentle:ean
that this petition had been noted to at a
'vetoes Meeting, at. which the most perfect of
unanimity had prevailed.- lie regretted to st.
such had been the increuse of the poor rates
town, and so severely was their pressure ti
therewas hardlY a )ioese in which a distress
been levied for their colleCtion.
Mr. BUT fER WORTH likewise ho-e tes
to the enormotis and almost intolerabte buidei
psror.rates in Coventry. He was Lapel, hi
not %have witnessed any symptoms of Jib.:
and confidently looked forward, notwithstendi
present depression, to the speedy revival of Ira
manufaCturing industry in that populous dist:
Mr. LOCKHART could not help aterile
self 0.1 this opportunity to express his causevi
unless treat branch of eantion which ieit;:t
affected the necessaries of i'le were Area.ly .:'Fri
or funded property made, as it ',right. tai ju...if
mide, equaliy contributory to. the ror roe
Could glut IGng continue to he Reid: T! err ie
!seemlaseve tier, ifttiorta te I y connected wi • o
irpyli a public credit, and .the stock he.del
6e assured with the due discharge of the im
thriCraeCil debt. Tliere e.o:1,1 net h! aSI
a:MIMI:allot the extrerne'pressole of the poor-rai
this complaint of..their .butdenstinat opereti,n
city of. Coventry, one of tle. rte•st rider eta!,
the kingdom, and in which, it tie was net re
there was i fund or .re:`2.004) per annum 3f,
to' parkietial relief. • liatess • semeihieg siss
was dent,- and the present &yore, entirely a.':4
trairelear that we must proceed i rom Is;st to
sled timit the rues; alarro;Lig cons,2reiences ennui
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the Table . Adjourned. •
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