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FRENCH PAPERS.
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FROM TEE SLESSAOIiII DES CHAMERES or ESERUARY 28.
CONSTANTINOPLE, Jas. 24.
After the first conference between M. Jaubert and the
Reis Effendi, the general opinion was that the proposals
offered by the French agent had been accepted, and that
'Turkish Commissioners would be sent to one of the
islands in the Archipelago or to Smyrna, in order to
treat of the pacification of Greece. It' was • ttio soot
known that the Sultan had not sanctioned any of the
resolutions attributed to the Divan, altd that the Reis
Effendi had declared to the•Ambassador'of the-Mabel.
lands that he had receives from his Sorereign fors's',
orders to abide by the declaration repeatedly cocotte-
nicated to the negotiators at Costa; adding, that the
Poste- would never deviate from the line 'which it ifird
laid down for itself. As for theiteuttality'ofthe Moen,
the Sultan consented to recrtniie it so lone ea no troops
illioqld be sent there from Etats* Bhroo Ziylen havi
*sired that till's corneohniiatOrr should Ise funeral y
even him in writing, was, it is said, told that thelteist
agendi dictated the contents. to the Dragoman of the
•Embassy. Others say that the Minister wrote big dee
claration himself, but did hot 'draw it tier in a diploniatic
for m, so that it cannot be considered as an official do.
content. Hew/ever, copies of it are circulated in Pita
in the following terms:
6, .1 he Sultan has taken into mature cOnsidefatiim
the proposals of the Powers, and since that be bad
already answered °them by signifying his regtet atilt
departure of the Plenipotentiaries for Corfu, and by
'afterwards inviting them to return to this capital, the
Prate thinks that nothing can hinder the acceptance
of a proposal so reasonable, as it cannot diseoier it
well-founded reason for the departu;e cif.the A itibisia-
dors from the seat of the Ottoman Govrernment, or *hicb
Laboutd keep them oar longer away from it.
r " The Porte desires to comply with every reasonable
proposal. It wishes ware direct negotiations opened;
and for this reasen it_ asks, before all things, *lie tea
turn of the Ainbassadots of France and Eirlinti to
Constantinople, in order to restore the friendly rela-
tions with those two Powers*, and to resume the nego-
clarions.
44 Should any-particular circumstance, unknown to
tha Porte, hinder the Ambassadors from testurSing their
usual functions at Constantinople, they need onl' obtain'
credentials as charged an ettraordinary mission.
" As to the declaration of the Posit+, Whieltplaces
she Metes, its islands,' and the Cycladei, under thole
.
immediate protection, and. proclaims the neutrality. of
that srirritory till the fate of the Greeks'shall hive- been
decided in concert with the Sublime Porte,: the Sultan
is willing to admit this neurraitty so larilliat he will
not send any troops apairrst the 11eria." -
Flagmen Fuaos.—Fhm pet Cents: 110 f. 3de..—Tbrtie per Cats.'
761. SOc.—Naples Stuck, $ll. 4/sc.—Royal Spanish Loan, 700.—
Spanish tents Veepetuelli.4Sf,—Haytlan Loan. folif.-.-Eschanie
on London, one month, 9M.69s.threepnnthif Sig. liffs , •
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I.IIPERIIAL PARLIAA.IIO4 ~ ....•
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HOUSE OF LORDS.' MAilOrt`2.
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The Bishop of - Matte took the oaths sod his seat.' ' •
The Duke of CUMBERLAND presented - e,Petition from the
Protestant inhabitants of the covet,. of Armagh• against further
Concesilons tothe Roman Catholics. On the motion otitis Royal
Highness the petition was read..=Ordered to lie on the table.
The Duke of CUM BEILLANL), in presenting a Similar Peti
don from the Protestant iuhabkants of the county of Tyrrifie,
moved that it be read.—Petition read, stud ordered to lie on the
table.
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The Bishop of LONDON presented similar
__...Fetikiops front a
place in the county of MWdlesex, from Stratford:l6.l3b*, and from
the parish of Chlgwcll, in the county of Essez/- - -0 ' '
Lord DUNDAS presented a Petition from the Roman Oath°.
lies of the town and neighbourhood of Tort, praying for a removal
of their civil disabilities.
The Earl of ELDON presented Petitions against the Catholic
Claims from the parish of Mansfield and two other parishes ; from
the parish of Banbury, in Rases; from a parish in Lancashire;
: front the Cerporatlen of SheernalterslpLhe city of Dublin ; from
1 a parish in the county of Northumberland; from Westbury, in
Stottersetsbire ;• from Reading; froni the freemen of York residing
in Kingetua-apoo-Hull; from the ;wished Ea,tBtoMe, in the aunty
of Huntingdon; from a parish in Pembrokeshire; and from the
parish of Carberry, in the county of Kildare. •
Sir A. GRANT and other Honourable -.Members. bought up a
Message from the House of Commons, stating, io effect, that the
Duties on Personal lt,tates bad been granted 'to his Majksty fur
the year 1629. . .
The Earl of ELDON presented Petitions against the Cathplic
MIMI fiont the parish of Teesdale, in the county of Puritan; ;.from
the parish of East Deerhani, in the county of Norfolk ; front the
parish of St. Mary, Stepney ; from the 31inisteri mid Elders of the
Scotch Presbytery, Landon; front the town and parish qfthipping.
Wickham ; from a pariah in the county of Iluntingd4t; front the
palish of St. David ; from a congregation in Brighton; -froin the
pariah of Edmonton ; (ruin the parish of Sr; James, in the county
of Norfolk; and front a parish in the county of Somerset. The.
Earl of. Eldon said, that to save time he thought it would be better
to present twenty.tive .Pernions of a similar 'character which he
bad in an adjoining rdom, with seventy-five which he had at home
upon another day.
The Bisbnp of GLOUCESTER presented Petitions against the
Catholic Claims from several pari.hes in Olodcestershire; from ty/o
parishes in the county of Itarinor ; front the Archdeacons antlClergy
of Winchester and Surrey ; and one front the city of Gloucester and
its vicinity, signed by 2,100 inhabitants.
Lord fill))1(1U CH presented a• • Petition-igatnit the Catholic
Claims front the inhabitants of the tow!, of Castle Cary; ' '
The l:tlarquis of • DOWNSIII RE resented a Petition:Worn the
Boman Catholic inhabitants of a parish to the county'. of : llovin,
praying for a removal of their Civil Disabilities; and a Peiitiun
iron the same persons for the repeal of the Vestry Act and Sub.
;letting Act. The Noble Marquis also presented smilfar Petitions
'kens the Catholic inhabitants of the parish of Kiloton, county of
Down.
- 1 The Bishop of DURHAM presented four Petitions against the
Catholic Claims from place. in the county of 'Durham.
: ; 11:14,111drep of ELY, in pretesting similar Petitions from the
son .1 Wisheach, froardw.Arehaleaconty of Ely, and from the'
Oran 'and Chapter of Ely, stated that his sentiments as to the pro's
y of granting father Concessions to the Rontati. Catholics
e. unchanged,. and he helloed unchangeable. •
Bari FITZW ILLI A M presented a Petition ardent the Catho-
Claints from I place In the West Riding* 0 Yorkshire, 'int&
ted Petitions in favour of them from Protestant Dissenteii
ir place in the West Riding of Yorkshire, frotn a place. In the
comity of . Wicklow, and from a place in the cdhaty of Tyrone.
The Noble Lord presented Petitions• front the town of Daffynal,
Islncb, "Alma the parish dtitinaileagb, foe the repeal of the
;Vestry and Sub-letting Atte:: • .
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I The Duke . of NEWCASTLE. presented- 56 Petitions against
the_ Catholic Claims from the Cerpol.. Ation If Carpenteu, Fiona,.
bill, he: of the city *of 'Debill; frortaltaptilses in Yorkshire,. Lin-
tallithim, Notthresamildre, Lancishilee, the county', of Suffolk, Stc.
t—Orderetto Ile *pea the table.
t The Mirka' WINCHILSEA pre soda, that on Thursday.
ara be should move for Allows of.. Roman Catholic Clergy In•
Great: Britain slid Irel," eying the number of raochui.,
Clergy '; as idol tbatat filar Tiabapricks and other dignie
tin, end the Districts of ' which they have superintendence; also',
the. nambet ' of Foreigners acting as Roman Catholic Clergy 'in
Ireland, wbethrr muter or secylar.;..the number 'of ROOM and
hanitiallei undet the direction of the order and aoeletypf. the Je-
suits ;:the ria.t ss and nunideriof dthir.religious Roman Catkella
Orders In Greet Bridal and Ireland; together with the number
of &el:mates of the different Codkontsedd Monasteries. •
.. pie Dot 4 wELUNGTON thought such a Reruns could
insclienaae.
The Earl of WINCHILSRA bad be= informed that a Ream

very similar to this imirair;idy item Made up to Am.% and then*
"fore, with the Noble Duke's perialsiloo, be should persist in giving
Lis notice.
The Duke of WELLINGTON obler.ved, that if the Return
could be made it should.
„ Tbe Earl of FAIIOUTIr premmed. four Petition, from as
*guy places In the' county of Cornwall against the steams of the
Catholics.
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, Lord DR DUNSTA lq V ILLE made several observations with
Ingrreoce to the manner in which petitt from Corawaii had
teen got
,bp,and read two btu rs comment arm saws.IIIMIPOIM
.rhe. Earl of FALMOUTH was•desirous of allferiste
# few remarks in answer 'to the
,observationy, of the.
Noble Lord, particularly with respect to the ,petition
foam Redrutb, of which he (the Earl of.,Falinouth)
kiiew nothing, which. he had not presented 'to the
House, and relative to which he had no opportunity of
Making any inquiry. The Noble L rd, had shaded to.
he feeling of the c,logy of :Crirouran. and had misun-
•der:torad the ttiotae Illallo3 be.(the Earl of Falnsouth)had
dee., of. Its had *not stated. that the whole or that
auirgy, but that the wrej•lity of them, yoeie Juntiie to.
the claims of the dalbstlies.., Tl,that statement he still;
adhered, anc(ceosillst eapress bis opinion.that nine-tenths
of thet.body eniersained thosmaentiosents. , Thstretent
ejlis
proceedings at Oafotd . would Shaw the feelings of the
I clergy gi.:4tAlty;uiscip ;psis 4biect, for diet% notwith-
4aiiding the glen influence .nt (ioverament, the aid
'of the. Wings, and of a couoderable porticreof the li-
,
beta' aristocracy of the Cotiotry. in consequence of the
great ihfluz of countiy.Chei•gymeno they had caused a
Itiumpli uvet eoelatt ei.tle, who,. but for his sentiments
upon this measure, was every way vtostby to repro
sent the University. Petitions had b:en piesented
from Cornsiall, sighed" by iipitarsdy. of nine thousand
ii4isons, and l'cticil:y,any. petitions shad been pie-,
'muted !tom- the opposite side. The Noble Lord (De
Dunstanville) had stated that the petition lte,lll.oaid
Falaitiuth) itas about 'to present had heen agr.ed, to at
a meeting Where.it was carried cinfy.by a majority of
five voices to fine ; but Le 'had the proof of one on
the one side, and had heti& of na 'prod* on the other.
The statement on the. part of the Noble Lord he be-
lieved Was eirimeints, for, he (Lord Vafmouth) had been
informed thentejority was tar greater. It was, how-
ever, with some hesitation he presented this pets/ion to
the House, because it had been coinMented upon- in
ainiihet plate, is heie a Gebilemai, as he understood,
had slisplayed,,ine rnsiden speech, much •playfulness
and humour in alluding to it. He had been stated to
have said that it we signed by turnip stealers. Of such
gefitry.lie4Lor4
.F4lmouth) knew nothing, and would
[cite 'heat JO be talked about by those who did. Of
the convicted turnip stealers he was ignorant, but of
the convicting Magistrates- he knew something, and
would state that thirteen oftheils had signed this very
petition: lir,ivOuld also say, i-iippeared to him that'
thii Gentle Men
,had been iniposedupon-rthat.asser-
tioni had been 'palmed isp.iiihirn 'its contrary to truth
as were the kilecieles which :the'Pentleman email/
adv6Cated-oiipeigles chmiaoll . called the rights and
liberties of a taled and wipseeed 'people. Viet Geis-'
tleMati hid indulged. in q.t.! ebullitinnt 4 wit and
'hu*Tier;laikno doubt, thirst of Ilia statements could be
?cositi4di'itfel."' lie (Lord P:altansith) felt it-due to him-
self' and the country to couiradict one of them, He had
applied'to the Mayor of 1 tufo, who prebttleyi at the
meetintof hit .dittri:t, atui with was not opposed to
what was ?ailed C,:theilic E.i;taricipation. The Mayor
had written to him a 'letter, statiog that he wecin the
'Hall dilly while the petition ii: as !lime for signature, and
`coulaikrit•Say thiit he ever Ob•eived any,improper pet.
son alit roich.t: e table, (cur did be believe tbat • any
schocil-liar'si.gpfufel. to . intipde 'kw, *hi room; that
diereliaise'Seeet al cieitelenien constantly reading at she
cable, snitMisr
.Tosr.'•s-sigea.nts stationed at the door
to peeve rit Bit entiance vi improper persoos..HetLord
F.lnaoutlol44 also consulted a Gent:enan who was an
~alive ageot,foi ibecOectieniats ailiosied.to at.tlie last
electioia„ With
~espact tsi the bundred•of East Land from
that tientlem•en be bad, *eyeletd a communication,
eelsiill tieted tliat there vie not ten freeloaders of the
iee;tirti pirt-i?ttii.it hundred who supported Mr. Pen•
tilt Iris, or tat 'frechulders who supported Catholic
Eniin'cipation; and tli it •at the no..eting referred. to
thereicere one hupdrtd. to one in.favour of the petition.
The ga4i of CARNARVON rose to order. The,
Noble Aned Fee discussing a **even which bad been delivered in
another places . '
The Failr f. F:11;1100TH contended he waepnly'
doing!teatwhiCla had been dope in the llotute.dotring the last feet-
night, when .a
Noble Lira advertgd to a .Orntlentaa's popularity b
Cotnwail as a
_proof of the feeling of that county. Jibe
also
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was out of order,.the Noble Lord who so spoke ought also to have
hem called to -order. Such hiterfereoce, however, should not pre•
stem hint from disaasrgiog his dory.
Toe Earl of (749 t NA !WON only *objected to the
Noble Lord's "joins h.to an'analy.kof a speech delivered in another
place, and then arguing, whether tha4, speech was judicious or not.,
lie I.ad'bot called another Nol4 Lord to order.beeause that Noble.
Lai bad nut diseased the satecti, although he alluded to the pe-
pularity,of hlr, j'entiaryes. .
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The Earl of „FALMOUTH .then presented Petitia•C
tram tadadii and Leatetitbiel, in the comity of Gravel!, quint
the Claims if iIW 'catholic& . .•:. • -
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• - ..f. •• . WALL or 'tun noose: •
The Duke ref NpyeASTELEitaid, 1 00, my Gorda,
to, ivelotk(Btat sit is' iiii.kinewion ,to ,tnove a call of
, /our Lordship's'iiowe whenever the day may- be fried
for bringing into this Hoirse the Bill, which I shill 01',
Tsignatea Bill for 'snePiessing 'and injpring the-Kins&
and for introdaiUg Tupiry and arbitrary,power.,
4thall.dUthis,, my, 4.orslsi,-in• order thatourery Pier may
'be a personal witnescof • the degradation to which it is,
intended toe:pose him, and that be-may be enabled to
judge; upds litsosin tesitonsibiliky; whether it. be...wise ,
mid fitting that he ahould.tamely or blindly submit to,
be led by the. inconsiderate or ambitious will of any
Mentber of thisifriOuse-who may seek to trifle with our
religion, to trample aka our. liberties, and to overthrow '
our Protestant constitution.
The Duke of SUSSEX could not allow the Observe-
tiorit Of the— Noble Darte,tO.Prigwithout rising to pre-
test. ' iiiiitini.., them—,observations which insinuated
charges against Noble Peers of• which they were ince.'
pable—observations iihich were not
.only incorrect but'
unconstitutional. He hadjward strong language from i
,tbelgoble DO*, upon more than one occasion within
the Walls of that House—.be bad beard of many strange
'acts Of the Noble Doke out of the House—and lie had
perusecrinme.mcist ettV4ordiatry letters written by the
Noble .pukes Atitlitr harrnor expecled to beer it as-
,aeriesfiiiiliat HousW that the. servants of his Majesty
were seeking to degrade the 'King- and to.Alestfoy (tee
constitution. He cooed riot air-egkittietlY,hnar fiusls a
thij***Pi and h't *Ouldliiiimpoa..the.Nolde.tle kit'
when ate proper time came, to show upon what his as.
sertioa wasiroaaded. While he was an his legs be,

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dice. ,

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PRIGS SEYKNPENCE.

would allude to the recent election at Oxtoid. tie had
nothing to do with that election; but he had seen 609
honest men go to the poll• in spite of all the exertions
that bad been made to keep them back. This circum-
stance had.greAtly raised the University of Oxford in
his estimation. He begged pardon of the House but
be could not hear such statements without rising td pro-
test against tbern. lie had heard it stated that during
tke recent election at. Oxford two dignitarieS of the
Church had been conversing together, when °fie of
ensoaidoo the other, " He would never suppott this
wseasurer and the other asked him '" if he had read a
k written• by a bloody Papist, and called Matz no
Afirder r Naw it happened that this book was the
production of a Calvinist ; but the eircumstarce shooed
* malevolence Of feeling resorted to to Otis-slate facts.
But the duty of Parliament would be discharged. and
the public would look with confidence- to bots liouses
of PArlieweet,..Whceher the Noble Lord were right in
hieview of the case, or whetherhe (the Duke of Soisex)
,were right in his, one thing was clear, that the public
would judge between them.
• The IDuke orNEWCASTLE said it was raker hard
Upon him to have attributed to him cundlct ht the
House or out of the House of which he had reason to be
ashamed. He defied the Royal Duke, or any other
Noble Peer, to bring against him any charge wh.ch he
wareither afraid or ashamed to meet. Hestood upon
this firm ground, and challenged the Royal Duke to
produce any charge which he could suhstasitiate. He
had only father to say, that no language, of whatever
kind it might beithat no attempt torn whatever source
it might proceed, would have the effect of potting him
down. He would persevere in his endeavours to for.
'ward a cause on which he believed the salvation ofthe
county depended.
. The Duke ul SUSSEX did not mean to quarrel with
the Noble Duke for any method he might think proper
to adopts liewould only say that it was not according
to good order to atttibute to ahy Noble Lord such
sinister motives as those which the Noble Duke had
attributed. The Noble Duke might cOntend,that such
and such a measure was injurious; but to .say that
Noble Lords acted upon such groin& as these he had
stated.wris pot to be justified. He (the' Duke of flus.
sex) had,howeveri spokerrundet the it, fluede hf strongly
excited feelings, and had, perhaps. used W-ods which
he ought nut to have used. He would never contend
with -14 A Noble Duke except upon constitutional grcrods,
tumid he had spoken in a dictatsnial tope he was per-
fectly ready to apologise. It wai under considerable
excitement he had addressed the House.
The Bishop of BATH and WELLS..had to prem. t
a petition to their Lordships against granting farther
Concessions to the Roman Catholics.-Out befs;re he Oid
so he would observe that he had been:earnestly req.:ses-
ta! by many moat respectable inhabrtsots thccov,nty
of Somerset btiefly to state the motites and arguments
that had induced them to come forward as petitioners
to the Hosea. Their teal sentiments were, he rel ead,.
those of the great majority of the people of h:nglattl.
A 'id he would it t: e fitSt,that the people of England Wile
strongly and warmly attached to the principles tbf
and religious Monty; but thee could nut avoid cdp-
trastino the siltation and circumstanc:i of this c,•on.try
under I'Votestant and Panics ruler. ; a.td they drew the
inference that the country had prospered as Protestants
ar.Catholics had swayed its touncils, and that its pros-
perity had been increasing since the glorious Resole.
trot of 1668. They didobt; therefore, desite to per.
ceisie.Cathelies again adrhittel to p .iitical power within
llsese realms; because they feared that surly admission
would destroy the great • principle of the Coo tirution.
The people of Engrand reverted is ith gr ;Kau de to its.
reign of that venerable Monet% h whose reign was tbe
longest of any British King, and whose hold vas the
strongest upon the hearts of his subjects; and. .f One
circumstance more than another attached Isis re.ple,to
him, it was his adherence to the Constitution so Church
and State. Theralso tutned with deep vesieration4o
the-memory of e late Duke of Yolk. His sentient;
were such, because he did not wish vs see those admit-
ted to political power, or forming a part of the Consti-
tution of the country..whis contended For the suptemaey
of .a foreign potentate, the Pope of Rome. And such,
he believed, were the sentiments of a vast majoritT.of
the people of England. He saw with pleasure_ the peo.
ple of England to be a religious people, and to Intik with
veneration and attachment upon the Protetatit Coma.
tution of the country ; and he could not support a mea-
sure whose direct object was to give into the 'hands of
the Boman Catholics greater political. power than they
at" present were possesse.l of, because he feared that tat
might be the means of again throwing them into that
religious thraldOm under the pressure of which they
had once so long laboured. The civil disabilifes under
which the Roman Catholics were alledged to suffer be
could not think vgithe cause the eels that existed
in Ireland, .nor Aid he {oink that tho,r evi!s mould be
at all removed` hy granting the Catholics Ernaticapar.
tion. Their evils were of 'another nature; their minds.
were ignorant ;they had too long groaned heneeth the
thraldom of ignerance.aud so( erstition. Let three evil,.
be first removed—let there be devi.ed a means for iesro
proving their minds, for relievingohem from V e
'fence under which they laboured; and. after that, be
would 'Ay, in Goo'. name, let them he emancipated...,
(Hear, hear). But lie would sty, do not now put
power into th irliandi, tobicb power they scold turn
to a bad purpos-. They had heard much about the
Catholic Association. It was only a few nights ago
since he heard a Noble Lord (thelite Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland) declare that that Associlstiba had been pro-
ductive of many evils. That NobleL rd had also stated,.
that "he had repres oted the Catholic Association aai
such to the Govetnment, Kurt it was not attended tros
Now if such were the caset, and that such were the case.
the Nubld Marquis's assertion left him no doubt, be.
could not avoid saying Aortic was a great evil to suffer
the Association to continue, void they Wad at length"
'-assumed the appearai ce of an independent:4.nd arbi...
teary Government. He feared greatly, and 4n ply did. •
. that fear affect his mind. that to admit the Itgesao Cs. •
tholics to political power et this time soulithialo give
up the Protestant bulwarks bf the 4puntipia(itat).--
Such were the sentiments of theirrideVships•petir, tbeft.
and such, he believed, *ere the martments tr.4.littat
.majority of the people vrt,)gfalif heahoeld .
only 'Say, that as faWiw `i le, would rather, as
did his great prediesessor.go•to the Tower, than tell..
.qttish hit ptitacipiisourierget the shlem tl:r 61_ tig(itieaionr of
;!
his oath, and, as. he.weeld; help
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, I wish in say a
few words in reference to what has just fahen 110113 the

Right Reverend Prelate. I can assure that Right Re.,
mend Prelate that I have paid as mush attention to
the solemn oath which I have taken at the table of
your Lordships House as that Right Reverend Preis*
has himself, and I can likewise assure the Right Rev.
Prelate that the Bill which is haulier to be introduced
into the other House of Parliament, and solsopcomitly
into this, will be free from any thing that could involve
- an' of that oath. Ido not think it neces-
sary— •
for me now to state what the exact nature of that
Bill will be ; but this I can assure the Right Reverend
Prelate, that it will not touch that oath io any way
whatever. In the course of the observations that have
fallen from the Right Reverend Prelate, which yeer
Lordships have also beard, he said, that, under certain
ciicomstances, he would be ready to grant the Roman
. Catholics emancipation. The Right Reverend Prelate
says, first instruct their minds, and then, after they be-
come enlightened, emancipate them. Now, lam de-
sirous of asking the Right Reverend Prelate under what
. circumstances he would grant emancipation to the
people of Ireland? lam likewise desirous to know of
the Right Rev. Prelate how it was that emancipation
at the present time would establish Popery in this king.
-dom? I contend for it that when the proposed mea-
sure shall be introduced into the other House of Par-
liament, and in due course shall be brought up to this
House, it will be found that, instead of injuring the
Protestant establishment of this country, it will tend
: to put down Popery, and prevent its growth in this
country and in Ireland—(Cries of Hear, bear). This
I engage to prove to the satisfaction of your Lord-
ships' House, it not to the satisfaction of the Right Rev.
Prelate. I entirely agree with the Right Rev. Prelate.
in what he has stated respecting the loyalty of the
. people of England. I rejoice to see the number of Pe-
titions that have been presented to the House under the
apprehension-1 am sorry to say under the apprehension
—that it is the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to
introduce Popery into the country; but I hope "me
Right Rev. Friend will see that there is no such listen-
. tics, but that, on the contrary, the object of the pro-
posed Bill is to relieve the Protestants of Ireland, and to
prevent the growth of Popery in the country; and, in
the meantime, I hope the people will continue to con-
duct themselves with loyalty and obedience to the Par-
liament. I say, as long as the people of England con-
tinue as they are, so long there can be no such danger
of the growth of Popery, and so long it will not be in
the power of his Majesty's Parliament, much less of his
Majesty's Ministers, to establish Popery in this country,
if such should ever be their intention; but I trust the
ttleasUre, when it is brooght forward, will prove that
they could have no such intention.
The- Ili,hop of BATH and WELLS assured the
'Noble Duke that no intention was further float his mind
than that of accusing his Majesty's Ministers Of wishing
• to introduce Popery into the kingdom. He was glad to
hear the N ,ble Duke say, that the proposed measure
would be consistent with the oath they had all taken,
and, if so, lie would hail it as conducive to the happi-
ness of the country. He had heard too much about the
doctrine of expediency; and this he felt confident in as-
serting, that whatever additional poser had been at any
time granted to the Roman Catholics, they had used
towards the oibverston of the Consiitution of the country.
Lord KING said, the Right Rev. Prelate forgot,
when he talked t f Jesuits, that there had been more
arts and more at like used by those she opposed the
eneasute than bad ever been employed by the Jesuits in
acc.onplishing ti ito ends.
Laid MELBOURNE protested against the discus.
sion of the geueral subject upon the presentation of a
petition. He would call upon the Right Rev. Prelate
to prove how the Roman Catholics had turned the
' power that was given to them in 1793 towards the sub-
version of the Constitution if the country. He thought
their conduct evinced attachment to the Constitution,
• and• fin wish to overthrow it. He wanted to have a Itts
niau Catholic placed upon the same tooting as they
'teem iii the time of Elizabeth; he wanted them to be
permitted to sit in both Houses of Parliament, from
which they were riot excluded until the 306 of Charles
the Second. The people of England looked withyene•
rttion upon the principles of the Revolution of 1688,
and so did he; it was the completion of those principles
which were begun in 1688 which he desired. The
Right Rev. Pr elate talked of the religion of the country,
and he could assure him that the proposed measure
was calculated to diffuse religion more than ever ; it
was calculated to put an end to that system of exclusion
which had too long existed in the country, under the
character of persecution, and than which he thought
• nothing was more hostile to the advancement of true
•
The Marquis of ANGLESEY begged to state to the
Right Rev. Prelate, that he (the Noble Marquis) said.
on a late occasion, that the Government of Ireland was
eficient, and that there would be no difficulty what-
ever to the Government of Ireland in bringing any
measure to a completion that they might deem ewe-
• diem ; and that %%hen the Roman Catholic Association
became an illegal one, the Government might have
put it down by lore-.
• The Di.hop of BATH and WELLS then presented a Bethke
from Glastonbury, and 21 ether parishes, avian the Roman
thelic Claints.—Ordered to lie on the table.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a Petition from the Pro.
tenant Dimmers and other inhabitants of Brighton against grant.
leg lumbar Coneeuions to the Roman C,atholica. •
0 The Duke of SUSSEX rose to present a counter pc.
eitioa from the Dissenters of Brighton, not indeed so
numerously, but very reopectably signed. He had been
informed that a number Of persons hatkpat their names
to the petition presented by the Noble Duke, by nista'
of a mots, who could neither read nor write; be was
also told that whole schools had signed the petition,
and that several had affixed their signatures more than
once to it: Tne petition which he should have the
honour to present to the House, had been signed by no
person more than once, and no one was allowed to sign
it under the age of 16.
The Duke of RICHMOND said, he could only say,
In reply to the Royal Duke,that the petition was signed
by 3.875 individuals, among whom was the name of
the Vicar of the place, and all were most respectable.
Ile knew of no be ter way of getting. rid of petitions
titan that of turning them into ridicule, and endeavour-
ing to prove that they had been got up in an unconsti-
tutional manner. He certainly thought it wruld have.
been a more parliamentary mode had the Noble Duke
given the
.name of the informer, than to make stare-
merits without doing so. If the petition had been got
up irregularly he should be the first to represent that
irregularity; but he did not bel.eve it had. It was
'Oohed by 8,875 of hi% Majesty's loyal subjects; and he
kne* of kO fact that would warrant the Royal Duke
in making the observations he had done.
After a tes; words in explanation from the Duke of Sonar, the
petition was lain on the table.

The Doke of SUSSEX then presented s Petition from the Dis-
senters of Brighton, praying fur Catholic Emancipation.
The Duke et RICHMOND presented Petitions trans two abet.
Alk Seem against greeting (au titer Cascading/ to the giralrn
Cethalca:rOrdensi to Me on this table.
Lord PLUNKETT presented' Pedd howeruilsmikd
ems in Ireland, praying for. C•tbolic limaandpetkis. ..
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The Martinis ef ANGLESEY pretested a Petition frets
Anglesey, and frost several parishes in the counties of Loott,l
Westmeath, and Tipperary; Iran the united parishes of Muy,j
81- Thosug. end St. Georgette Debits ; from Rardscarthy ; and
from Castle Town Roelsopin the comity of Cork, to the nee
asst Ind swat Petitions, praying fee a repeal of the Sub.letdm;
Atm—The Hems thed adjourned. •
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
sir A. INGLIS to* the Oaths and his seat for the University
of Oxford.
Lord MANDRVILLE presented several Petitions from the
county of Armagh, At. against further concession to the Roman
Catholics.
The Marquis of CH ANDOS presented a Petition signed by
MO Bachelors of Arts and Under Graduates of the University of
Oxford, praylig that so farther concession might be granted to,
the Roman Catholics. The Noble Lori expressed the high grati-
fication which he felt at having been entrusted with a petition
which conveyed opinions so consonant to his own. He deeply
deplored the recent steps which had been taken by kis Majesty'.
Ministers, and which exposed to the most imminent danger the
Constitution of the country as settled at the Revolution in 1688.
and were In direct hostility to the principles that had placed the
House of Brunswick on the Throne.

On the Motion for printing the redeem
Mr. BROUGHAM, after disclaiming the slightest intention of
saying any thing disrespectful either to the Noble Lord or to the
Petitioners. wished to know what was the actual number of that
body of junior members of the University of Oxford of which 5001
bad signed the Petition presented by the Noble Lord ?
Lord CHANDOS expressed his inability to answer the Hon.
and Lensed Gentleman's question.
Dr. PH ILLIMORE observed, that he believed there was no
body of individuals in the country more generally favourable to the
Catholic Claims than the junior members of the University of
Oxford, the number of whom exceeded 3000.
Mr. ESTCOURT must beg /cave to doubt if the body of indi-
viduals in question were so friendly to Catholic Emancipation as the
Hon. and Lerned Gentleman supposed. Where was the proof of
it ? Os the contrary, ben was a Petition expressing an opinion in
decided terms spinet any further concession.
Dr. PHILLI MORE said he had been consulted en the expe-
diency of a Petition from the Coder-Graduates, in favour of Con.,
cession; and he had dissuaded them from the measure.
Mr. ESTCOURT was decidedly of opinion that the sentiments
of the greet majority were unfavourable to Conciliates. ,
Mr. V. STUART, as a proof of the contrary, adverted to a die-
comicial on the subject in a debating gaiety in Orford, the result
of which was a decision in favour of the Catholics—(A laugh).
The Petition was then ordered to be printed.
The Marquis of CHANDOS then presented several other Pe-
titions to the same effect from Daventry ; from St. Dock's, in Pear
brokeiaire ; from the village of' Guilford, In the county of Down.
—Ordered to be printed.
• Admiral SOTHERON, in presenting several Petitions against
Catholic Emancipation, observed that they were all numerously
signed, and that no person under eighteen years of age had been
allowed to affix his signature to any of them. They all prayed
that no further concessions shtiuld be made to the Roman Catho-
lics. They were about twelve in number, frost Durham, Fient-
ham, Donaldson, Mansfield, Riby, Eddinjton, ate. is Derbyshire.
General KING presented a Petition from the Clergy, Ger::i y,
and Freeholders of the county of Leitrim against further concessions
to the Roman Catholics. _ _ _ _

Mr. DUNCOMBE said be held in his hand a Petition from the
town and neighbourhood of Sheffield, signed by 7.0,000 persona, :Ind
fourteen other Petitions from various parishes la the county of
York, against Emancipation. They were most respectably signed,
and well entitled to the attention of the Howe. _ .

M A RSHA L ;aid, that, accordins to the law census, the hs.
habitants of Sheflield amounted only to 50,000 men, women, and
ddldren. He could not well conceive bow, out of this number.
there could be a proportion of 30,000 competent to sign a Petition.
Mr. DUNCOM BE said be bad before stated that the Peddon
was not confined to Sitellield, but embraced the surrounding asth.
begrimed.

ILS. HAL said that the Petition had been got up at a
private meeting. There was a public meeting held in the same
town at which a Petition in 'favour of Emancipation was agreed to
and signed by 1.000 rrsona. That sow presented b 7 his Hon.
Colleague was signed by many chUdren, and even by prisoners in
tie jail.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said the Petition was from the
inhabitants of Sheffield and the neighbourhood, within
a circumference of four or five miles. The meeting at
which it was agreed to was held in the Town Hall, and
cools' not therefore be called a private meeting. It
' was true that the persons confined for debt did espress
a desire to have an opportunity of signing this Petition,
and it was sent to them for the purpose. Oa further
consideration, however, their names were withdrawn,
And not one of them now appeared to the retitle's:,
There appeared to prevail at present a most extraordi.
nary and zealous disposition to cry down Petitions, and
to underrate the importance of public opiniod on this
question. For his part, he should never consent to
allow any Petitions which he ebouli present to be
treated with disrespect, or sic by quietly and hear the
opinions fait ly expressed by the people of rsaglaiid cried
down.

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Lord MILTON said he was as little disposed as any
man to cry down Petitions. He did not mean to deny
the respectability of the Petitioners. The meeting at
which this Petition had been got op was not a public
one, because he knew a Gentleman who went for toe
purpose of opposing it, and was refusal, admittance,
being informed that it was to be a meeting only of
those who were favourable to the Petition. The other
meeting at Sheffield, from which he presented a Nil-
, don some time back, was, strictly speaking, a publiel
meeting. convened by the Master•Catler, the ac'anow-
!edged head person of the town.
Mr. DUNCOM BE said the only motive for confining
the meeting to those who were friendly to the Petition
was to prevent ccofusion. If all were admitted indis-
criminaiely, no satisfactory result could have been come
to.—The Petition was read, and ordered to be printed.
Mr. DUNCOM BR then pteaented similar Petitions from the
inhabitants of Scarborough, Grimthortse, and ten other parishes in
the county of York, all of which were ordered to be printed.
Mr. lIEEKSW ICH presented a similar 7etitioo from the Inha-
bitants of the city of Exeter. The Honourable Member stated
that, though be felt it his duty to present those Ntitions, be should
I come to the consideration of the great question to which they re.
(erred with if disposition to give effect to the recommendation of
his Majesty...-The petition was ordered to be printed, as was a
similar petition presented by the same Honourable Member from
the Mayor and Corporation of Exeter.
Mr. W ILIA A 111 PEEL rose to present a similiir Petition Soto
the Inhabitants of Taasworth and its neighbourhood. The pad.
'dossers stated that they !oohed with great alarm at any me..mre
having for its object the ads:Mule° of Roman Catholics to that
Hose House. and prayed that Parliament might not pass any Act
calculated to effect any alterative in our Protestant codetitution in
Church and &ate—(Hear). The petition was then ordered to he
ptinted, together with a similar one presented frost Paisley by the
same Hon. Member.

Colonel SI IiTHORPE presented fair Petitions from different
places in Lincolnshire. The Gallant Menthe( read *struts from
each of the Petitions, which contained strong declarations against
the question of Emancipation. One prayed that t:.e House wonll
as once cot steal hopes of further concession, end persevere in the
course which bad raise this country to the highest rank is the
scale of nations, by the careful exclosien of all Papitts from inter-
ference in State concerns. These, the Gallant Member obsert.td,
were real John Dull sentiMents; and as he represented an agricul-
tural county, he might be pardoned fer saying that che people of tbia
county wished to have no cross-breed from a Popish but.
?lr. HOU LDSWORTH presented Petitions front thisham,
Clifton, Dartmouth, and three other places iu Devonshire, against
concession.

Mr. GREENE presented a Petition of the like nature (rent TJI-
- in Lancashire.
General ARCH DA LL presented two Petitions from Zilincnt
places in the county of Fermanagh, praying that no further con-
cessions might be granted to the Catholics. The Petitioners stated ,
that their aaceaturs had been sent into Ulster under the protee•
don of the Government. They had fought and bled in defence
of the Protestant Constitution, and the Petitioners were wining ,
to Sght again-.-(Hear, and laught.7r).
Mr. B. COOPER presented a Petition fgoat the city of Glom-
enter. signed by 2,500 persons. The Hun. Member observed,
that nothing could exceed the enthasiann of the people of Glum
cuter. They rushed in crowds to sin the Petition, and on the
second day 1,::00 signatures were affixed to it. lie had before
presented a Petition from the same place, signed by 4311 persona.
Colonel WEt3B bore testimony to the great respectability of
the Petitioners.
Mr. H. MAXWELL presented Petitions front sevrti pparishes
In Ariemb, esse from a pariah in Kildare, one from &el
Of teen the seserei4esise Qs Masao and Ibdist obi

EitahMafia Church at Olasgow.-and one tram the Ministers and
Riders of a Congregation In Glasgow, all against Emancipation.
I Tho.retition from the General Semen Hayed that no alsoration
rillit
%snide in the Protestant Conmitutios of the country; and
IMP added, that if Roman CatArolici were admitted to kgt4ative
it would be a-violation-a the Treaty of Onion with &Pt-
The Petitions were ordered to he piloted.
Mr. MOOR E presented two sinsitar Petitions from parishes Ili
the !WT.. county.—Ordered to be printed.
i Mr. MOORE presented a Petition irons two persona le dr
slice of Clerk of the Pleas, in Ireland, praying, that if the once
should be abolished. their case might be considered, and cone
motion allowed them.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. DUG DA LE presented Positions agal.ist Ensanri;ation
fiats Kingsbtry and Lee Marston, in the county of Warwick.— i
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. CAULFIELD primate: Petit:ant from two Nsithcs in
the county of Armagi*, in favour of Etuancipation ; and also Pc-,
&loos from the same places against nix Sukiatting and Virsuy
1 Acta—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. BURRELL presented Petitiois.;:ainct ILtrunwipatiou front
lee parish of lilid4urst ; and also from the Rectors, Vicars, and
Came:. of the rural Ikaneries of Chichester.— (Mitred to be
I rioted.
General GASCOYNE. in presenting a rtition from
Manchester against the Catholic Claims, wild the peti-
tion was but the echo of the unequivocal va.iee which
reiounded through the empire against tbe measures
contemplated by his Majesty's Ministers. The present
petition had been tigned4xy the nia..istrates, Vie clergy,-
the merchants, and the genii,' ofeStanchesier an us
vicinity. He was anxious to impress en the House the
great repectability of many of the signatures arised
to it; it had the names of 22,0 X persons, the warden,
60 clergyraen, and respectable inhabitants. The sigaa-
tures had been obtained with the stews' care; the peo-
ple bad crowded almost unsolicited to sign it; in f 'et, it
was the most tezulmly prepared petition that had ever
been presented to the Hoes., mid a perfect pattern to
all that might be got op hrieafier. A. t mere:, the
names, but the occupation and residence of each of steel
undersigned, were subscribed to it. He tad examined 1
five out of the one hundred and thin teen 4.•eetS i f paiel:o
merit of which the petition was cotopored, and could
find.no female name among them. The petition con.
tained the names and expressed the opinions of four.'
fifths of the people of Manchester. An opposite petition
might be got up, but it would not, lie was wire, contain
one-tenth of the number of names contented in the irer. 1
tition which he had then the honour to present to the
House.
Sir GEORGE PHILLIPS denied that the petition
expressed the opinions of the educated classes of Plan-
chaster. The present petiti.ms, though said to be spon-
taneous, was, in fact, the elaborate production of three
months. It had proceeded (scan a Meetit; held on the 1
24th November last. The requisition to call th t.t-.etirg I
had been signed by 506 of the Gentry, and 44 of the
Clergy. This was met by a counter recr.ii skint', sian-cl by
413, representing four millions of money. At the Meet-
ing the party opposed to the Erst requisition were kept cut
by police officers.. As to the ',resent petition, it had been 1
left it the door of Methodist Chapels end toll gates!
I for signatures. The adult populeion of Manchester 1
amobated to '250,000 per sins ; so that 22,C'Xicochl ant
be four.fifths of the inhabitants of Itiatichirter. :le
thought that every man who had the iatzrests of the 1
Church at England at heart must lament the course i
1 which the Clergy had. taken on this occasions l'iliat,
must be thought of that Church, the Ministris orwhich
could not preserve it even with their ample endowmer.ts, 1
without continuin3 the political exclusion of the Roman
Catholics? Ha would begot the House to contrast this'
petition with that presented by General Giscoyne.—
The Dissecting Clergy expressed their entire confidence
in the measures recommended by his Majesty's Govern-

went, and prayed the House to divvy diem-into effect.
He thought that the attempts made to raise a feeling
of alarm through the country its consequence of ..the
proposed measures vete ptetty much the same as thr,se
practised more than a tenuity ago with legatd to
another very important measure—the union with „Feet-
land. On that occasion one of the Most actiVe in
spreading the alarm was the Earl of Nottingham—
(Hetr). In the year 1715, the dull Earl of Nottinghaat
had thus expressed himself on the proposed union with
Scotland—age thought, if this measure should be car-
ried, as he saw no reason to doubt, he should then have
outlived all the laws and the constitution of the coun-
try. He prayed that Gon might avert the dreadful
calamity." The Constitution, however, stdi existed,
and he had no doubt that, after the preens measure
should be passed, it would not only continue to exist,
hat be consicimahly strengthened.
General GASCOYNE said the Petition had been so
short a time in his hands that it was impossible for him
to say whether there were not some marks, or perhaps
more than one name in the same hand-writing. They
must, however, be very few, or. the lion. Memb:r would
have said mote of it.

Sir E. K N ATC H BULL presented Petitions from tbe
Protastant inhabitants of Chathon ; from the Protes.
taut inhabitants of :Warden; of Rodrestet ; Gf Ayles-
bury; of Tunbridgt Wells; and several other places
in the county of Norfolk (fifteen in all) against any fur—
ther coneessicos to the Roman Catholics.
Mr. SHIRLEY presented a similar Petition from the Pro-
testants of the manor of Derry, in the county of Itlonazhan.
Sir C. COLE presented a Petition from a parkh in Gi.ctorgan
to the acme effect. He so far differed with ti'e Pc:Waters, as to
hope that the Governmeut cuold find sta.:clew securities, so as to
mold.: t'.= to grant Einancipition.
M.. CARTWRIGHT presented three Petiduns from parishes
In Northampton to the same effect. •
Mr. WALL presented a Petition from Guildford, in .favour of
the Catholic Claims.
Lord BEC fIVE presented a sicnilu Petition from the Cadey
tics of Meath, front the Parishes of Nevus and Drumeendra,
spinet the Vestry Act.
Mr. W. HOWARD presented a I'e4ition from Chichester,
against the employment of Climbing Days.
Mr. HANCOCK presented a Petition from Shierora, tgeinst I
further Concession to the Catholics.
Sir C. HASTINGS presented a Petition front Leicester tit the !
same effect.

Mr. SHOWNLOW gave notice that he woult:, to-Morrow,
present the Petitiou agreed to at the :bannsla, in Dublin, iu favour
of t oncession.

Mr. DlLgi prr•enteil a Petition from „Malden, eyainst further
Concesekm to the Catholics.
Mr. LUMLEY stated that the Petition was oath signed by 150
aut of a population of GAO,. It was hawked about ilse
sewn by thg bellma.:, nod he mentioned ibis circumstance to shoo
what w:icht was to be enured to it.
Mr. CAWTHOHNE presented a Padden from Lancaster
against flatlter Coucestiou to the Catholics.
CURTEtS prevented a :bailie Petitlon from Watbettma
(Su.iez).
Sir A. CA7IPBELL presented a Muller Petlden from the In.
eurporate4 Barbers of C .s=ow, and also front the Coopers and
Cordwdoess of ti s same City.
Mr. WILSON peeeen:cd,a similar Peden from the Mayor and
Coroormiqn of Stockton upen.Ties (Durban).
the LORD MAYOR presented a Petition from the
Clergy of Sion College, praying the House not to grant
any further concessions to the Roman Catholics. He
frequently had tile -honour of being selected to com-
municate the sentiments' of this learned body to- the
House, and h did so with the greater pleasure in con-11
sequence of the rand and generous manner in which
they had expressed themselves. He was one of those
who thought it was the peculiar duty of the Clergy to
come forward and express their sentiments on this
very important trkeesure; and bethought it was equally
the duty of the House tolay manilas to them. The
petitiuners declased,that, reaming on the many Isles-
sinss whic4 this Cosatty-its44,l,Q.earlet the Cosi.'
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stitution as settled at the Rriolation; the/ could set
contemplate. without alarm, any alteration is it. The
friends of toleration, they totally di•elairned any wish
to subject their Roman Catholic fellow subjects to any
fuller eirAbilities than those that were necessary for the
preset 'Anion of the Constitution; but they considered
that admitting them to sit in Parliament coold not be
done without destroying these laws 'which ought ;met
to be sacred. llsting ten years which he (the-Lord
Mayor) had the honour of sitting in that House ht: had
considered it his dut 7 to oppose the claiias of the Roam
Catholics : he had done so from a conscientious h.cling.
At the same time iv: was ready to admit that consider.
ing the dreadful state of agitation in which Irelind we%
Ilse House shoeld of least follow the advice whicb his
Nlsi:sty had given, end take into corisideration the lava
which a rotted t3;:ns. if the propo.ed measure should
.appear to be P specific for Ireland, whilst 4 afrorded
sorlc'ent vcority to the Chorsh niEngland and Abe
esLablisheJ Constittoino, such a inea.ure
tainly have bis sUpprrt, bo• no a ther
hear). The Lord Ma; .^.r ca: e:ad:4 :17 pr.:lasting a
Pelitionliom the Cleigy cut London assembled at Slot
College.—The Petition was ordered to lie oo•the table,
and to be ..-4intet.l.
Mr. fItINIC said he :.ad tauch pieasore io presenting
a pc:ition. from Montrose in favour cf Catholic Einem
cipaticn. it bad keen stated that spuls:ic opinion ie
Scotland was a:: verse to Catholic I.snaatipatinn ; but
he contended that a great charge had lately taken
pla:c in the opinion cr the peuple of Scctlant: on that
tte.):,tet. This charze vats desunorrated 4 the. result
of va.inur toblie mtetinzs whic!. had feces-41y, bees
held in that country. At a public :nceting in GlaUpw
a petition in favour cf ;•imaicipatioi. wa:cartied.LAy a
otompitan: maj n:4. At C.: or:oe and M...nttose
put.):ic niece.oss mu-a r:so ; an.l. at the Noe,
place. alter a vvi y considcra'ai.., tl:7custionot petAioe
in :-..vour o: the CeLls.,lics was agit.ed to with ~.nlysene
disseatieot voice. All the recent ac•:ounts from.Stois
land tl:uwed that the cpinicisis of tie penple' of that
country on the Catholic Question w. is much changed.
and that they were anxious to leave the settlement of
this imps:. tan: questi,.n to the House and the tasere.
anent, in full confidence that every thing would be
done to se::.:e those principles upon. which the. Ccnsti.
tution was founded —Toe psitittoo wan ordered, to be
printed.
Sir GLOCGS COCKBURN prerenrci a Petition iron+ lite
Pr.teetart Olesectere of Plymouth in favour of the Catholic
Claim..—Ore rid to he ninrei.
Mr. POTTEit MAC' EEN ironic:led rite motion
sto‘d for eats :wiling lot the 11.3.1t1; to lebOlre itrelf In.o ir
n:ittee on the 6-.4tlement by Thrinit BC!, un:11:,-..rnorrov,
The CIL% NCELLOR of the IMCH E. it, on tl.e motile
of dee.Conuniftee on the Clerk of she Mae :ImIxod) Utfl,ptur.
'poued until Monday next.

DUTY ON GLASS.
Upon the CI-lANCILLTAVI. of ti:: 13!:CHnii7 ER motto:
rbe readlog of t:te ofticr of tlAt clay for tLe Ho .se reaolv:r; Seri(
tutu a Committee '2f
Mr. C. D. 0. JENHSON said, he thought this a
Food opportunity fur cilling the attention of the Right
lunoorable Gentleman to a subject of some importance
in Ireland.* A drawback was formerly allowed nn elms
intperttd into that courtly, but this drawback having
been lately withdrawn, the price of glass had incteal:ad
enormously in Ireland. The window tax had been.te-
pealed in that country with r view of affording an tip.
portanity to the poorer classes of householders to avail
themselves of the comfortuf windows, so necessar7 to
health and cleanliness. The high price of glass, how.
I ever, made it impossible for the poorer honseholattrs to
avail themselves of the opoortur.ity afforded by the re-
peal of the window duty. Under those circumstances,
he took the liberty of suggesting the propriety of ie•
terning to the old system, and allowing the drawback
I to in taken off un glass exported to heland.
The CH AIiCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asstired
the-Honourable Gentle/ma that the subject had under.
gone the fulle,t consideration from his Majesty's Go.
vernm,ent. The former system gave an opening for
frauds, which was taken advantage of to an enormous
extent, and tire drawback was therefore withdrawn.
11 the same system was again resorted to, and the draw.
back was restored, it would do no good, and ftauilsto
la great extent would again be practised.

IMPIPLTORDEADICE ESTIMATES..
On the motion of the Cu tacu.tua craw Eteunnosa,tlte Moe
then retched itself kno a Conv.rittm of Supply, and the Ordain*
natinutea were ordered to be referred to the Committee.
Mr. PERCEVAL said, that in introducing the Ord-
nance Estimates, lie should not trespass long upon the
Committee, as he knew his Right llon.Friend near him
would supply any deficiency on his past two the pie- '
sent Occasion, and give such explanations as might be
called for in the course of the discussi .n. It was his
duty, however, as there would appear in this years. esti-
mates & very large increase under the head of Ordnance, to
explain how that incrca e arose, which he hoped heshonld
be able to do satisfactorily, without committing the
erabsers of there estimates in any departure from those
principles of economy which the Government hard 'aft*
tioned and enforced in the different public departments
The increase on the votes for Ordnance services in the
Ipre,ent ye .r amounted to 125.°971. The sum last
year was 1,597.1991. and the vote cal!ed for Uri; year
would be 1.7•23,093 i. &lure entering into zorr.parisea
'between these Totes, he would ju,t remark that he meant
to leave out of his account a sum of 6,1131. for the
ealmate of the pay and Allowances of the five comps-
vies of the Royal Staff Corps transferred so the ordnance •
from the army estimates, for six months, commencing r•
from the 25th of June, 1829. With reference to. the
vote of credit, as compared with that for last year, the
Committee were to bear in mind that with this item
was connected rents of canteens, sale of condemned I
stores, which were to ,ro in diminution of the genets)
Capone,. They 'would -also bear in mind, that who'd.
Right Hon. Friend, who had been Secretary to the
Hoard of Ordnance, was examined before the Finance
Committee, he haideclased that, particularly tespect• •
lag the Board of WorLe, the contemplated arrangement*
which were suggested as economical would eveetsellt
produce co saviug. In the two sums of 69,863 i. fee .
public "works, and 14,0001. for stores, would be forted
an excess of espenditute between the: of the last pm.
The diminutions would be chilli/ found in the Ordnance
Department, and in the Royal Military Madill,*
In comparing these reductions, it would be unfair t•
take the calculation singly with the year 1628; whir
experimental changes had km made. He shoOld then,
fore take the comparison with the average of the doe
years prior to 1828, which would show that **consider. 41
able saving had been effected. Upon dividing the Eat 1!
timates into the heads of effective and non-efective, k
would be seen that great pains bad been taken toad*
the service as economical in its charges as was tension(
with the demands of the public service. He was afraidi
however, that the calculations in the papers 'which be.
had before him would be somewhat perplexing, be'
cause, owing to the change which bad taken place is
compiling these accounts, several services were new aseit ,
delled. The whole of the actual civil establishlbeel!„,igLt. ••
Tower were now bone in the returas-fecial-tif. lq_+'
and Pall Pan; and 'lf the accounts wite:Act down
examined, then would appear to Oar ,1110111-11-
gnaw, ibeisasivio t he *or iDs 011atisw
•

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alrtanter. aY titiaije' aim •
blidsid"Odaviai. as
and military buildin.
one. ;department, ha
ordinance ind barra .
istalslisbnients at
in ZOO barrack and
last year, had also
estimates for 1829.
• mate for 1828 was
- been transferred, as
of 24.4531. total 507,'
1829 was 477,898,
500,6101. showing a .
also some smaller red
the extrordinary Esti
580.7151. those for 18
71.7151. more, includi
Lind at Sheerness, to..
tension by the enlar
timing upon them. H
a small increase in I
metes being 118,74'
128,9791. In the so
allowances, these (Or
the • present year w -
crease of ZB7ll. • U
Great Britain and t
11828 was 131.763 i. fo
crease of 13.8731. foe
new works, postponed
wrier the head of bar
-0,6661. the amount ha
preient 113,5711. t
• In the current account
• old stores, &c. to the a
lacy store branch there
' 5.6224 it being in 1828
He had thus touched c
of the Estimates, awa
statement as lucid at i.
Right Honourable Fri
ply any deficiency he
present resolution, *Li.
70,2444. be granted t•
• pens*, of the salaries o'
nant General, and the
the Ordnance, for the
Mr. HUML was not
• Estimates now before t
labia hid taken place
The Secretary at War
...as to the impossibility .
.incseese• however in t
Scirveyor Ce.ier ; the
from twerity-isine to fo
.of the Ordnance, the
• creased from twenty-th
the principal Store Kee
,:seen 10 thiny.two.
~inot been accounted for
-that the Government
reduction .could be
....his own department
.reduction of one half
. penmen:. The Anil!
• be placed under the
the Commander-in-CI),
alteration in the syste
there c..uld be no reduc
the reductions in this es,
lion appeared to have
tablishment to an enor
objected particularly to
under the department.
singers. and he did not
.Soundlor them. The /
.to complain of the cum
business of the Guinan.
An improved system
the recommendation of
if the consolidation w
been adopted. the num
Would have been chs.
what he bad often urge
only be by small establi
bon could be eff.•cted,
might hope for such a
would give freedom an
mote the interest of co,
they wore told that re
bow was that statement
state of every eatablibh
cially, in the present in
six and twenty lumen
department that could
number? In 1796. the
upwards of 18.0001. at
Now, he complained of
Was an enemy to ',her.
of Government, (or ill
'-of obtaining faithful a
complained of the expel)
-and pr duced the count
Mr. PERCEVAL, in
crude, adverse 1 to a circ
source of gratification--r
in the expenses of the dr .
to be Popular, because it
expense from which the c
money. Oa the subject o
say that he had been mi..
trahsfers that he spok ;
been consolidated under .
twentymestengers, there
and they had quite as In
Mr. A. BARING edema
Quebec, Montreal. end Ktn3st
whether the sons was (or new
pairing the ordinary establithn
Mr 11. lIARDINGE said t
Canada had received the Lac.
sum bad been upended. The
expenditure of that sum pr.
'The canal upon which so large
ware public work, which cou
degree, and be conducive to, t
Mr. A. BAKING doubt .
annual expenditure for the b •
distant peeled cease to be ours.
Mr. HUME wished again t •
p the six sad twenty Niemen!
Sir HRNRY HARDING
*hick ao much ton fiat was
tameoalwerer, saving; the me
Woolwich, was a saw'
Mr. MABILRLY thought t.
dehe by b evil messeager ntigh •
pill* ovary day berweea W..
wee welled to a• fu l exsungri •
commie' ju Finance
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