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ore., to ne)4lcct the elf ife • f t!),• C,iirch by
;, sot did te.g41,1 f..r it temporalities—(Ci.eering).
Tbr Earl of ltOl)EN. in explanation, said ti e Kti} ht
nu. pi elates were mistaken in supposing th it he me mt
.to imilitiate any thing of the kind imputed to him. Q.rit •
thec^t much lamented that they should ex-
hibit so much indifference to the admission of persons
dioeming !tom their e-tablishment into the offices of a
Clui,tian Government and a Christian State.
Lori ItEDESDALE could not conceive what objec-
foncould be entertained to the amendment of his Noble
and Learned Fiend. No man who was a Christian and
a Protestant could object to calling him so. Sonic per-
sons there were who thought the wc.rd superfluous. But
tir denied this; and even if it were superflu,,us, it could
v0;d01,7 harm. The proof that it was not superfluous
as, die long debate it had already occasioned in that
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The Earl of ELDON—He knew that the House, to
the indulgence of which he had been s' long accus-
tomed, would give him their attention after they had
heard him charged with being engaged in a mischievous
enterprise. He wished the Noble and Learned Lord,
after passing
through as long a life as he had done,
might at the end ofit feel as little consciousness of
having effected mischief as he then did. He had never
been engaged, to the best of his knowledge and belief,
in any thing mischievous, and high as the authority was
from which this imputation proceeded, he repelled it
with scorn and indignation. He would now apply
himself to the argument of the Noble and Learned
Lord, and he must say, notwithstanding that argu-
ment, that he was as much convinced as ever that
there was no law requiring the declaration against
Transubstantiation from persons entering into corpo-
rations. No man was bound under the Test Act to
make that declaration merely as a corporator. This
was the law, as he would lay- it down if speaking
under the sanction of his judicial oath. It was said that
he ought to withdraw his motion; but he felt bound in
conscience, if he voted alone, to persist in it. If the
liable and Learned Lord on tlseWcolsack really thought
his opposition mischievous, he must have changed his
opinion within a very short period; for, as a member
of his Majesty's Government, he, no doubt, was a party
to the resolution of that Government to oppose the
measure. He meant no sarcasm or reproach, but it
was rather too much to tell others that a resolution
was mischievous which he himself, with many of the'
best men in. the country, entertained only a fortnight
ago, but from which they had seen good reason to
recede. The measure was, he firmly believed, most
mischievous. It was in effect a revolutionary measure,
tending to dissolve the connection between Church and
State. He had been introduced into that House to do
his duty to the public. That he would do, and what-
ever mischiefs might arise, he should not be responsible
fm them. The Right Reverend Prelates opposite must
allow him to say, that the civil constitution of the
Church was e idangeied by this Bill. Its religious doc-
trines he knew were independent of this or any other
laws. As to the Petitions, be. knew well how they were
to be got up. It was only necessary to have a Cm-
mittee, and send two or three forms of petition to every
Dissenting Minister in the country, and they were ail
sure to come back numerously sianed.—Tbe King was
obliged to take the Test, which they appeared to think
a hardship to his subjects.
The LORD CHANCELLOR. explained. He bad
never said that the intention of the Noble Lotd was
mischievous. He intended to say, am, if be recollected
aright, did say, that he thought the Amendment sone-
cessay, and it it was unnecessary, it was likely to be
mischievous isa its effects. He assured his Noble and
Learned Fiend that be entertained towards him un-
abated sentimentt of respect and estrem, which it would
indeed be impossible for any thing he could say in that
House to alter.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE considered the Test
and Corporation Acts of great importance as a security
to the Church, and he lamented that his Majesty's
Government should. have so far given way to popular
clamour as to agree to their repeal. He thought the
Declaration as it now stood, entirely nugatory. During
what period, he would ask Noble Lords, had more per-
fect religious peace been enjoyed by this country, than
since the passing of these Acts? And this question
might to be gravely weighed before they consented to
abandon them. He had the highest confidence in the
Noble Duke at the bead of bis Majesty's Government,
but on, this occasion he was compelled to differ from
him. He could not be satisfied without a declaration
in favour of Protestantism, and he called upon the Right
Reverend Bench to insist upon this necessaryameodmeot.
The Bishop of LINCOLN read a clause of the Bill,
acknowledging that the discipline, doctrine, and wor-
ship of the Courch of England were inviolable parts of
the law of the country, in order to show that the accu•
colon of supineness against his Right Rev. Brethren
and himself was unfounded. It was remarkable that
ithe only person in that House who had moved that this
chose be expunged, was the Noble and Learned Earl
himself.

The Earl of ELDON begged to assure the Right
Rec. Prelate, that he had sever proposed any such
ring; he had objected to the words itideed, because
;hey stated that the doctrine, discipline, and Govern-
ment of the Church were inviolably secured by the laws
of the realm, while he, on the contrary, contended that
the very Bill, where this expression was put forth, was
t-inng away the security, and destroying a portion of
tte laws by which the inviolability of the Church bad
hitherto been preserved.
'the Bibhop of GLOUCESTER said, that his princi
pal motive to vote in favour of this 13111, was the abuse
and profanation of the Holy Sacrament to which the
present state of the law was liable to give rise. The
eerlaiation, as an expression of the will of the Legisla
tore, Was necessary, and without some such declaration
he would nut have voted for the 1311. He was disposed
to vote in favour of the amendment, in order to satisfy
the scruples of many conscientious churchmen, who had
a suspicion—a most erroneous one, he knew—that un-
der cover of this 131,1 they were doing something to
facilitate the admission of the Catholics into power. It
vas on this grourd solely that lie could support it, for
lieeid not see how it could either add to the security of
41 Claud), or injure the situation of prospects of the
Catholics.
(bastion was then put, that the words s• I atn a litotes.
" hr inserted, on which the House divided:
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Majority against the Amendment .
"r re-adrnis,ion. we found the Earl of WINCH RLISILI ad-
,k7et their Lordships. lie contended that among Protestants
h 7 Ids no doubt as to the outnber of the Canonical Books, and
upon ebe necemity of a declaration recognizing the audio.
of the Sacred Volume, /le had found among the Neighs's-re
Who were no more entitled to the name of Christiana "boot.;
nf illahos—who evert denied that such a permit 1114426.1
bad envierexisted upon meth. It was to eldest* soeh per-
°' from office that he wished to introduce this amendment. The

.eirniltnent was, that these worda be inserted in the declaration—
•• I believe that the Galenical Books of the Old and
went, as sec forth by authority In these realms, are the revealed
worth of Goo."
Lord !JOLLA ND spoke to a point of order. He doubted
whether at the present time this amendment could be regularly
proposed.
Some•conversation took place upon this point, which was not
ultimately pressed.
The Bishop of CHESTER. thought that the essential object of
the Noble Earl had been attained by the Amendment already in-
troduced on the motion of the Noble Duke. Ile thought it needless
to dogmatize upon the subject. If a man was willing to declare him-
self a Christian, he did not see the necessity of any turther scrutiny.
The Bishop of LLA N DA FP opposed the amendment, upon the
ground that it was unnecessary.
The Earl of WINCHELSRA entertained a different opinion
from that of the Right Rev. Prelate. If that Right Rev. Person
had taken the pains to read the Petitions on the table, he would
have found many persons calling themselves Christians whom he
would not call so.
The Earl of ELDON said a few words in support of the motion,
and the Bishop of BATH and WELLs against it.
The House then divided on the Amendment.
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Majority against the Amendment —4B
On our return to the bar we foetid—
The LORD CHANCELLOR reading the Clause, which enn-
merated the class of persons which it was proposed to exempt
from the obligation of taking the declaration. The Noble and
Learned Lord proceeded to enumerate those persons who, by a
former Act of Parliament, were exempted from the obligation of
taking the Sacramental Test. Officers in the Army and Navy,
ftom the rank of Admirals or Major-Generals. Commissioners of
Customs and Excise, and all persons belonging to the Postmaster's
depart nient.
Lord ELDON did not contend that the class enumerated by
the Noble and Learned Lord was not quite satisfactory.
The LORD CHANCELLOR consented to the postponement
of the Clause, and said, if the Noble Lord (Eldon) would com-
municate to him privately the object of his amendment, he would
insert it in the Clause, and would for that purpose consent to the
present postponement of it.
Lord FALMOUTH proposed the insertion of a Clause to the
effect of excluding Dissenters, Members of Corporations, from
voting on the appointment of Clergymen to Benefices within the
patronage of the Corporations to which they respectively belonged.
Lord ELLENBOROUG II did not think that the proposed'
security was at all requisite. The Church property had a far better ,
and more-perfect security in the character of the Clergyman, and
in the attachment to the Protestant faith, iu which he was edu-
cated—( Hear, hear).
The Bishop of LLA NDA FF concurred in the opinion of the
Noble Lord who spoke last, that a perfect security was given to
the Church, in the circumstance of the Clergymen having been
educated in the bosom of the Protestant faith ; in the examination
which he underwent front his Bishop; and in the strong obliga-
tions by which he was hound to the interests of the Church. So
strongly, indeed, was lie of this opinion, that he should feel no
apprehension even front the power of presentation being vested in
the Catholic Laity. Indeed he disapproved of the disqualification
under which the Catholic Laity suffered upon this point. It was
an unwarrantable interference in the rights of private property,
and was one of the worst relics of those penal laws which dis-
graced the Batute Book, and which so much required to be al-
tered. Neither the safety of the Church, nor the interests of the
Protestant religion could lie Impaired whilst the Clergymen were
properly brought up in principles and feelings, inspiring them to an
ardent and zealous discharge of their duties as Ministers of re-
' ligion, whether the patronage was vested iu Catholics or other
' Dissenters.—The clause was withdrawn.
Lord ELDON proposed that some provision should be made as
to the time and place of making the Declaration. lie suggested
that it should be made within one month alter the appointment to
any of the offices which rendered persons liable to the taking of
the Declaration.
The LORD CHANCELLOR intimated, that due provision
should be made for the taking of the Declaration, at a proper time
and place.
Several other Clauses were agreed to; the Bill, as amended, was
ordered to be printed; and the third reading was ordered for
Monday next.
The Plothe adjourned at a QUATTED PAST TIN O'CLOCK.
tummy AGAINST TIM ISSPEAL Of THE COATORATION AND MT ACTS.
Dissentient—Because we think this Bill proceeds upon the alleged
expediency of repealing the Sacramental Test, for the purpose of
substituting as a security for the support of the Established Church,
which is an essential part of the Constitution of the State, nothing
but a declaration as to Corporate Offices, which may be made by
persons not. Protestants, anti not even Christians; and hecau.e, also,
it does not render necessary even such a declaration to be made by
any persons accepting offices and places of trust, but leaves it wholly
in the power of the Crown to require, or not to require, it to be
made by any such persons. (Signed)
ELDON. MA utessuity,
E aortae, NSWCAaTLA,
BROWN LOW, FA LALOUTK,
WA LSINGIIAM, HOW F.
BOSTON,, MANSFIELD,
BEAUCHAMP, STANDUP&
• HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Lord W. row LETT presented a Petition from Middleton, in
the county of Durham, praying for protection to the British Lead
Mines.— Laid. on the table.
• Mr. DUNCO BE presented a similar Petition from a place in
the North Riding of the county of York.—Laid on the table.
Mr. C. PA LLMER presented a Petition from Cobham against
Slavery.—Laid on the table.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a Petition against the Friendly Socie-
ties' Bill.
Mr. W. PEEL said, that great alarm had been created by this
Bill, and particularly in Birmingham and the populous manufactur-
ing di tricot, where the destruction of Friendly Societies must add
greatly to the poor rates.
After a few words from Mr. Wool) and Mr. Baton; the Peti-
tion was referred to the Committee.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented several similar Petitions from
London ; Mr. CALVERT, from the True Suns of Equity Society ;
Lord G. SOMERSET, from Monmouth and Newport. Referred
to the Committee.
LIDDELL moved for Returns of the Number of Pearce-
dons fur Forgeries in England and Ireland within the last ten years.
—Agreed to.
Mr. S. COOPER gave notice, that on the 2d of May he should
call the attentito, of the House to the One Pound Bank Restriction
Act.
Colonel ARBUTHNOT presented three Petitions from the
county of liducaidnie and Aberdeen, in favour of the *xistiag Corn
Laws.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented similar Petition* from vs.
rious parts of Cornwall.
Mr. CHAPLIN presented eighteen similar Petitions front dif-
ferent places in Lincolnshire.
Mr. BURRELL presented a similar Petition front certain per-
sons attending the Brighton Market.
Sir' '. GOOCH presented a similar Petition from the Hundred
of Illy thing, Suffolk.-I.sid on the table.
Colonel SIBTHORP presented Petitions from Dishy, Don-
niegton, and two other place* in Lincolnshire, praying tor an ade-
quate protection to the Agriculturist.
Mr. HEATIICOTE presented similar Petitions front Rippin-
gale, Poynton, and another place in Lincolnshire.
Sir G. NOEL presented a Petition from the Landowners and
Occupiers in Itutlandshire, against the Reeo!utions before the MANIC.
Mr. P. M4QUEEN presented a Petition front Bedfordshire,
signed by 2,462 persons, upwards of six hundred of whom were
Shopkeepers, nos Agriculturists, praying for adequate Protection
to the Agriculturist.
S:r Al. CHOLMELEY presented a similar Petition from a
place in Lincolnshire.
A Message from. the Lords announced that their Lordships had
agreed to some Private Bills.
Mrs ASHUILST presented Petition* front three places in the
County of Oxford, against any further concessioa to the Roman
Catholics.
The Margo, of CHANDOS presented similar Petitions froth
Embetton and the Hundred of Newport, and another place in the
County. of Bucks. The Noble Marquis said that the Peddimers
had requested him to support the prayer of the Petition, and he
should certainly oppose the Claims of the Roman Catholics to the
utmost of his power.
Mr. CHAPLIN presented a similar Petition from Stockton.
Mr. MOORB presented similar Petitions from the Lord Mayor
and Corporation of Dublin, and front the Corporation* of Joiners,
Tilers, and Weavers hi the same city.
Tie lionourabk T. DUNCOMBE presented a similar Petition
from the Clergy of that Archdeaconry of the East Riding of the
County of York.
General KM° presented two dmilar Petitions from the Cleanly
of Sligo.
Mr. DOODA LE presented a similar Petition from Coventry.
PALMER presented a similar Peados from the Arch.
deacon and Clergy of the county of Berks.
. silt 0. CLRliit presented few similar Patitiessakeisstit aaaimilis
of Armagh, Invite, and Wioklow.
s(r T. GOOCH presented a similar Pesklasi kiwis ie Cissgy e
the Archtleacoory of Sudbury.

' Mr. C.'PALLIsIER presented a similar Petition from Cobbam.
—Ordered to beprintrd.
Mr. M. A. TA Y LOR presented a Petition from Stocitltm-uP•n•
Tees, signed by persons of all persuasions, in favour of Catholic
Emancipation.
Also a similar Petition from the Roman Catholic. Inhabitants of
Middleton Lodge, in Yorkshire.
Sir C. COOTipresented several similar Petitions from Queen's
.
County
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Mr. S. COOPER presented several similar Petitions from the
County of Sligo.
Sir H. PA ItNELL presented a similar Petition from a Parish
In the Queen's County.
Mr. CALCRAFTpresented a similar Petition front the Borough
of Dorchester.
Sir W. W. WYNN presented three similar Petitions from the
Roman Catholics of Abergavenny and another place.—Ordered to
be printed.

Mr. W. SMITH presented Pctitions from the United Asso.
dated Presbytery of Glasgow, certain Roman Catholic Inhabitants
of Norwich, and the Roman Catholic Inhabitants of Cossy, near
Norwich, in favour of the Roman Catholic Clainis.—Ordered to
be printed.

Sir M. CHOLM MAY presented a Petition from Grantham
against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics.—Ordered
to be printed.

Sir T.' ACLAND presented Petitions from the Romin Catholic
Inhabitants of Axminster, Newark, and Cbudleigk, in favour of the
Roman Catholic Claims.

Colonel CUST presented a Petition from Horncastle, against
any further concessions to the Roman Catholics.—Ordered to be
printed.

Mr. W. WHITMORE presented a Petition from the Roman
Catholic Inhabitants of Morley in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
Sir J. WILOTTESLEY presented similar Petitions from the
Roman Catholic Inhabitants of Wolverhampton, Thull, and an-
other place in Staffordshire.

Mr. LES I Elt presented a similar Petition from the Roman
Catholic Inhabitants of the parish of Nlatnholl, Dorsetshire.
Sir M. RIDLEY presented similar Petitions from the Roman
Catholic Inhabitants of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and two places in
Warwickshire.

Lord HOWICK presented >imiLr Petiti ,ns from Almiugton,
and another place m Nuttliumbet lard.

CATHOLIC ASS, CIATION.

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Mr. MOOll pres-oted a Pei.iun.. from the, Lord
Mayor and Corporation of Dublin, for the. suppression
of the Catholic Association, which inflicted evils on the
community at large. A sense of duty to his constituents
compelled him to offer a few observations on the sub.
ject of the Petition. He need n,t remind the House
that the proceedings rtf the Catholic Association had
been the subject of discussion in Loth Houses of Pattie
meta, the re tilt of which was, the passing of the Illegal
S'iciety Bill, to which the Catholics professed to pay
obedience. That Bill admitted of the meeting of
assemblies for particular purposes, for fourteen days.
The new Catholic Association adopted a form which
came literally within the provisions f the Bill, but with
an ingenuity that characterised their proceedings, they
acted in a manner that gave them an appearance, in
the eye of the Catholic people, of being a continuance
of the same body that the law had attempted to sup-
press. They exersis.d the sane powers, and every
objection that existed to the old Catholic Association
' applied equally to the new. He called the attention of
the House to their established connection with the
priesthood, and the multiplication of Cathol:c agents
all over Ireland, under the denomination of Rent Col-
lectors. It was a Catholic Republic existing in the
heart of a Protestant Constitution. It was a Govern-
ment which frequently eclipsed the legitimate Govern-
' ment of the country. There were various sanguinary
Associations in Ireland—need he mention the Ribbon-
' men? The Catholic Association had exhorted the
members of that society as if they were their rulers.
GOD forbid he should doubt their sincerity. He knew
there were many loyal men in the Catholic Association;
'but he must know little of the human mind who did
not know that men impelled by ambitiln, or the
strong desire of attaining any object, did often con-
ceal from themselves some of the tendencies of their
proceedings; and he could not but think that the
existence of the Catholic Associatico gave encourage-
ment to those societies. It was well known what a
ferment was excited in Ireland by an Act of Par-
liament called the Sub-letting Act. He was informed
of a fact he would now state. The Honourable Mem.
ber for the county of Waterford presented a pe i
tion against that Act, and at the same time expressed
his opinion in its favour. He was immediately publicly
condemned by the Catholic Association, and the conse-
quence was, that the following night an extensive range
of fences he had erected on his estate were levelled with
the ground ; thus plowing that the public mind was
poisoned by the proceedings if the Association, and
were willing spontaneously to carry its threats of yen.
Seance into effect. If he were asked whether he had
any remedy to propose, he must answer that he had
not—(Loud cries of Hear from the Opposition). He
was too humble an individual to propose a remedy—he
pointed out the evils to the Government and the coun-
try. Need he refer to the proceedings of the Associa-
tion to prove that their object was to exasperate the
Catholic feelings, to intimidate the Legislature and
individual Members of Parliameot. Could the existence
of such an Association be compatible with the princi•
pies, or with the existence of our Constitution? Tt e
House, on many occas ons, received its tone from public
opinion ; but public opinion also sometimes received its
tone Isom that House; and be wou:d call upua every
Member of that Houte, who supported the Catholic
claims, to estinguoh the Catholic Association, whose
proceedings, it unchecked, must terminate in all the
horrors or a civil war.

Mr. SPRING RICE said, he rose to second the
motion that the Petition be brought up. He believed
the Hon. Gentleman would he surprised; he however
remembered, that as long as he had been in Parliament
some Hon. Gentleman, a few clsys before the Catholic
disabilities were to come under the discussion of the
House, presented a Petition like the p esent against the
Association, for the purpose of exciting angry feelings.
He was as anxious for the suppression of the Association
,as any man; but he considered the present Petition
WAS in fact a Petition for Catholic Emancipation. The
Law Officers of the Crown had obtained from Parlia-
ment all the power they asked, for the purpose of sup-
pressing the Association, and they had failed. What
was the conclusion? That as it was Catholic exclusion
produced the Association, it could only be put down
by Catholic Emancipation.—(Hear). The Honourable
'Gentleman had said the Association bad dragged the
Members of that House to their bar. He had himself
been the object of their censure, but to him their cen-
sure or applause were equally indifferent ; though at.
'the same time be would say, they had a right to express
their opinion of the public conduct of public men.—
The Petition was ordered to be printed.

Trllli COMPOSITIONSLIALAND.
Lord MORPRTH presented a Petition from certain Inhabitants
of the Union of St. Mary's, Ross, in the county of Wexford, com-
plaining of the conduct of the Clergyman of the Parish, respecting
the composition of the Tithes' and of :he constitution of the Courts
of Appeal on such questions. The Noble Lord concluded, that the
Petition was emitted to the serionssormiderarion of the House.
Mr. MOORE explainetliiiidliralAred the, coaduct.of the Cler-
gyman.
Mr. M. RITZGERA Lb sdppatedihe -Petition. The Courts
of Appeal required alteration. He had asked a substantial farmer
who had complained of the amount of the Tithes demanded, why
he did not appeal? and the Linnet' had replkd in the strong lan-
guage of the lower MA, " Plase your honour, would
you have me
carry my cause into Hell, when the Devil's the Judge ?"
After a few remarks from Dr. Plin.r.usoas and Mr. Irate, the
Petkloo was mitred to be printed.
On the motion of Colonel SI LITHORP, Returns were ordered,

of the officW velvet., 4p BritWa Wqol u 4 Woeßeile expiirtetrfrorn
(Treat Britain during the, three years sodas January, 1828, and of
the official value of all foreign Weel and Woollens imported during
the tame period.

On the motion of Mr. W. SMITH, an humhle Address was
ordered to be presented to his Alajesty fur a Copy of the Corres-
pondence, not already before the House, which had taken plate
between his Majesty's Government and Foreign Powers; his
Majesty's Government and the Mixed Commission Court; his
jest y's Home Government and the Government of Sierra Leman
and other Colonies; and also between his Majesty's Government
and any of his Majesty's Naval Officers employed in the Suppres-
sion of the Slave Trade.

On the motion of Mr. SYKES, the Order of the Dsy respecting
the Freeholders Districts Bill was discharged, and the Committee
upon the Bill was fixed for this day sernight.
Mr. FYLER presented a Petition from the Directors of the
Poor in the Parish of St. Michael, Coventry, against any inter.
ference with the existing law respecting Friendly Socitties.—lte.
fel red to the Committee on the Bin.

The Hon. Misuses seeing the Right Him. President of the
' Board of Trade in his place, wished to ask him a question of very
great importance to the Silk Trade of this country. In October,
1t426, au Act was passed, by which foreign silk was to be admitted
into this country on payment of a duty of 30 per cent. The opera.
tiun of that Act was limited to two years, and therefore it would
zpire on the 10th of neat October. He wished to know what
ccurse his Majesty's Government meant to take with respect to the
admits on of foreign silk into the English market?
Mr. GRANT said, that as it would be his duty in a short time
to bring the subject before the House, he should beg to defer giving
any precise answer to the question of the Hon. Member at that
period—(Hear !)
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Medical Students at
the University of Aberdeen, praying that the House would remove
the difficulties thrown in the way of acquiriug a knowledge of
anatomy.—Referred to the Select Committee.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from a place in King's Conh ty,
representing to the House the imperious necessity of its providing
a permanent Nightly Watch in the Market Towns in irelatut
CORN LAWS ACTS.

On the motion of Mr. GRANT, the. Order of the Day was read
for the House to resolve itself into a Committee on the Corn Laws
Acts.
On the motion being put that the Snag's ‘abould leave the
Chair,
Mr. LESTER said, he had an objection to the scale
of duties, which he did not think could be removed.
'the objection was, that after the price had passed sixty
thillungs, the duty decreased in so jumping and jet king
a manner, that it would check importation. As the
Resolutions at present stood, no person would sell while
the price of corn was between sixty and seventy shil-
lings, and the consequence would be that the ma: ken
would be inundated when the supply was least wanted,
when the grower was least able to bear up against
competition. But he had another objection to the pre-
sent Resolutions—there was in them no fair proportion
between the protection granted to wheat and that
granted to barley and oats. They were different to the
Resolutions proposed by Mr. Canning, and which had
been adopted by that House after much consideration.
The argument advanced by the Duke of Wellingtomon
the subject was in fact against the alteration. He wished
to know whether it was the intention of Government to
continue to act upon the principle of free trade,' an r to
continue the Sinking Fund? It would greatly influence
his conduct to know whether, in the event of a surplus
revenue, it was to be applied for the purpose of reliev-
ing the country from its present load of taxation?
Mr. KING said, that in the present state of their cur-
rency, he had doubts as to the policy of the measure
proposed by Ministers. It was at least, under existir.g
circumstances, impossible to give it a fair consideration.
So far as cash payments had hitherto gone, it was at-
tended with a great sacrifice to the landed inteiest. It
was on that the prosperity of all the other interests of
the country depended. They must share deeply both in
i s prosperity and adversity.
The SPIALMS left the Chair, and the original Resolutions, as
proposed by Government, having been put,
Mr. RENE IT rose to propose a new set of Resolu-
tions, by way of amendment. The difference between
the proposition he should submit to the House and that
of Government was so trifling, that he trusted Ministers
woulJ accede to it. His proposition was the same in
effect as that submitted by the Member for Dorsetshire
last year. He should be disposed to take his pivot price
a. 625. Bd. and proposed that when corn reached that
price the duty should be 245. 4J. On this, however, the
House had before come to a resoluti n. and it would be
useless to press it again. What he would offer the, eiore,
by way of amendment, was, that when the price was
above 625. the duty should decrease by 2s. with every
advance of Is. in price. Upon this scale the duty, at
the price of 655. would be 3s. less than that proposed by
Government at 70s. His reasons for desiring that the
duties should be reduced at the price of 62 . more
considerably than they were in the scale of Govern-
ment, were, that odium would be thus avaided by the
agricultural interest, which did not, in reality, require
further protection. The measure, he believer', was
not in ended by Government as one of finance, aid
therefore they could have no intention in raising
the price to 625. His object, certainly, was to
gain protection to the amount of 625. Bd. This
be thought was necessary, to enable the agriculturist
to carry on his business, and to secure a remunerating
prsfit. At 595. price, he should propose a duty of
28s. Bcl. and at 555. 335.8 J. This would, in effect, be
no addition to the duty proposed by Government, but
better regulation of it. All he wanted was a protection
as nearly as possible to 62 . Bd. Under the pike of
625. the protection he propcscd was three shillings mo e
than that contained in the scale of last year. it was neat
necessary for him at preset t to enter into tl:e general
question. All seemed agreed that some protection was
necessary, and that this country should not be left de-
pendent for its food upon foreign supply. The Right•
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. lltokirson) atinutted that ti ey
ought to have protection to the amount of 5Ss. The
duty at that time on the present scale was 28s. 8.1.
With that duty, importation must commence,accordrng
to the Right Honourable Gent letn in, at 291.4d—.(Cries
of " No"). The duty being 28s. Bd. and the price 58s.
the balance was 29. 4J. and that he should suppose
was the price at which importation might take place,
and it showed the fallacy of what they heard so
often stated, that importation could not take place
under thirty-four shillings. It was well known that corn
of the best quality was imported last year at 221. and it
could be proved that any quantity of it might now
be imported at 24s.—(Cries of " No"). That was his
serious belief. What right had they to expect that the
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29s 44 T
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the
heard much about a surplus population in this country,
but he contended there w,s no such thing. The stir.
plus was merely artificial, occasioned by the low price
of corn. This gave rise to a greater demand for labour,
so as to make a difference of no less than 7,000,0004
sterling to the landed interest, the whole of which was
squeezed out of the wages of labour. There was co
surplus population now in the manufacturing districts,
though they heard it much talked of some time back.
There was no surplus of hands in the carpet manufac-
ture, for the weavers were now in a state of rebellion
for high wages. Give agriculture sixty-two shillings,
or sixty shillings, or even 58 shillings price, and they
would hear of no surplus of labourers. He did not mean
to attach any exclusive importance to agriculture, sad
would advocate no measure which he did not consider
for the general interests of the community—(Hear).—
He should merely observe, that the average duty is

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