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but the truth was, that the had condition of the latter
was owing to the middlemen, who eximed in spite of
the landloids, and not with their concurrence. He
thought his Right Honourable Friend deserved great'
credit for the talent and industry he had bestowed on
this subject. which, he must say, he considered infinitely
more beneficial than the casual emigration of which
some Hon. Members wished to approve. If Hon. Gen-
tlemen, like the Gallant Colonel (Trench), would go
over to Ireland, with the assistance of interpreters they
Might discover that the inhabitants (whatever might be 'I
thought of them from some of the specimens sent over
to this country) were a very rational set of people—that
they well understood the whole of this question, he
could bear witness; and be had met with several moan-
tain political economists, who felt in common with the,
rest of the people, that the great want in Ireland was
the want of room to plant and cultivate potatoes.
Colonel TRENCH explained. He had contended
that Ireland had been reduced to her present state by
ages of misgovernment.
Mr. WA RBU ItTON said, the principal question was,
whether by advancing a suflicieut sum to theemigrants,l
the country would be at a less expense than it was in
supporting the emigrants aft home? The Right Hon.
Gentleman said, it would take 1,500,0001..t0 enable
100,000 persons to emigrate, and that it would cost to
maintain those persons at home 51. per man. Therefore
the means of employing the labourer in the succeeding
year were in a less ratio than in the preceding_ one.
That was unquestionably an evil, but it would not weigh
with him, if he could think the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman had succeeded in his attempt to show that the
vacuum occasioned in the population would *not
mediately be filled up. The investment of a large sum
'in emigration would be a new reason with capitalists
for them not to embark their money in concerns in this
country. If emigration were promoted to a country
producing sugar and cotton, some good effect might be
produced ; but the only produce which Canada gave,
was bad timber and bad corn, which were forced upon
our market, and the trade in those articles could never
become very advantageous. It was quite erroneous to
suppose that the wilds of Canada would ever be as be-
neficial to this country as the newly cultivated posses-
sions of the United States had proved to that great Em.
pine. He was favourable to emigr.t on, but it must be
emigration conducted upon the guarded and moderate'
plan suggested by the Hun. Membev for Limerick.
Mr. SLANEY contended that the population in gee,
neral would be improved by the adoption of a regular
system of emigration, and that that being the case, the
population would not Met ease in the same rapid Manner
that it would have done had the mass of the people been
left in the same reckless state that they were previous
to any emigration taking place. Great good would be
derived to the English labourer by the adoption of
some plan of emigration. The Irish labourers were
I underselling the English labourer in every direction.—
The part of the country with which he was connected'
suffered much. The Welsh, who had been accustomed
to come into Shropshire during the harvest, were en-
tirely superseded by the Irish. The Irish had also pose
sessed themselves of the strawberry gathering in the
neighbourhood of the metropolis, to the prejudiceof the
Shropshire women, who used to come to London in the
season for that purpose.
- Mr. Secretary PEEL acknowledged the great merit
at his Right. Honourable Friend in persevering in an
ibportant,s4ject, and certainly under many disadvan-
-Inge& He hoped, however, that his Right Honourable
Friend bad proposed his Resolution rather with a view
,of drawing the attention of the House to this subject
than with an intention of taking .the actual sense of the
House upon it. He objected to the House pledging it-
self to pursue any measure during the next Session, oni-
less the specific measure was proposed and clearly defined.
In the present instance the Resolution was extremely
vague, and betruited that his Right Hon. Friend would
not call upon tbeHouse to express anopinion which might
unjustly cast a damp upon the hope and expectation of a'
considerable portion of the community. He was not
inclined to undervalue the laying the foundation of a
permanent and regular system of emigration, but he did
think that his Right Hon. Friend was too sanguine.
He was decidedly convinced that .the Hon. Member for
Bridport bad greatly undervalued the capabilities of
the Canada:. He doubtecrthe policy of making any
large advances from the public funds for the purpose
of encouraging emigration. It was very easy to talk of
granting millions of the public money to forward emi-
gration, but the doing so was nothing more than the
abstracting the money from some kind of active employ-
ment to devote it to a new object, which might or might
not give some return. For any scheme of emigration
to be fully successful, he thought the funds must be de-
tived from the particular parts requiring a reduced pa.pulation, and it was for the landlords of Ireland-to see
in what manner they could contribute so as ultimately
to advance their own interests. In Ireland the diffi-
culties were peculiar. In England there were the paro-
chial authorities; but in Ireland there was no such
thing. The local system would afford a variety of
checks, which would not be in existence if the public
generally advanced the money. To the proposition of
his Right Hon. Friend, that the parish officers should
be able to levy a rate once for all, there were many objec-
tions. It would be introducing the system of loans, and
also burthening the landed property for an indefinite
period. Me did not at once decide against the principlp.
bat he was not so much enamoured of it as to espouse is
without great consideration. The House would not fall
to bear in mind that two Sessions since a Committee had,'
proposed that 50,0001. should be granted to assist do,
Scotch paupers to emigrate; but that before the close
of the Sessions such a change bad taken place in the
quantity of labour required, that it was not necessary
to act at all upon the Report—(Hear). He attached
great importance to the assistance which Government
might give to Colonists. In his opinion, a scheme which
would lay the foundation of a gradual, permanent, and
well regulated emigration, would confer a great benefit
on the Colonies, and would also afford, although not a
great, certainly a beneficial outlet to the superfluous
population of the northern country. Without therefore
implying the slightest censure on the Resolution of his
Right Honourable Friend, whose labours he greatly
commended, he trusted that the Resolution would be
withdrawn. and that on some tuture occasion his Right
Hon. Friend would come forward with a specific plan,
when, if possible, all difficulties might be overcome.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, his clactrice was that
emigration was advantageous to individuals as well as
tbe community, and if the experiment were made on a
sufficient scale by Government, and the advantage
proved, it would then be continued by individuals to
as great an extent as could be necessary. The Right
Monoutable Gentlemen then withdrew his motion.
CHURCH 07 IRSLAND.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, .after stating a number of
instances in which patishes in Ireland were ,united, in
many cases to the number of ten or eleven, though
some of the parishes so united had an income from
tithe and glebe land amounting to 1,6001. 1,7001. or
even 1,8001. a year; and even in addition to such a