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Lord REDESDALE contended, that their Lordships should at length got hold of the authorised tweets, it was enough to
not permit the rules laid down by them to be violated. 1 shew that they hsd acted in that capacity, and that their acts
Lord GREY said, he should not press his proposition to a bound the principal, not indeed to a criminal extent, but on&
division. . clendy so to enable him to prove those acts, for the purpose of
The LORD CHANCELLOR congratulated the House upon defending his Illustrious Qient. They were not bound to prove.
the fact of their having adhered to thq plan laid down by them, that those particular acts were done by the authority of the
to be governed by the rules of the Courts below. King's Ministers; it was suffielyst to shew they were generally
The question whether the answer should or should not be employed as accrdited agents. Who was the person in whose
received was then put, anal negatived without a division. company Vilmacarti was always band ? ;with whom did he con-
• The witness was then called back, and gently cooperate? With Colonel Brown, who, he believed,
Lord KING asked Mtn whether Rastelli said to him that was at the head of the Milan Commission, and Mr. Powell, who
De Mont was to receive a large reward for giving evidence was admitted tobe, not only a most active, but a most confides"
tial agent of the Milan Commission, so confidential, indeed, that
against the Queen? their Lordships had allowed him to refuse answering a plain
An objection was made to the question, which was not pressed.
A Lostr.—Do you expect to be paid more or less, in propor- ieuestion, under pretence of having acted in that capacity. His
arned Friend had well remarked, that the name of any hlens-
don as your evidence is more or less favourable to the Queen?
—I only say, if they give me, I'll take it (
whet laugh). bee of the Milan Commission was no sooner mentioned on one
side, than it was instantly followed up by a panegyric on the
The Marquis of LANSDOWN asked her it was Mr.
other. Vilmacarti was the solitary exception to this rule—rhary
Brougham's? intention to examine the next witness with respect
to the charge of. bribery. had not yet had Vihnacard's panegyric—(Laughrer). Now this
Mr. IlsoucHaat said, he should pursue that course for the pnr- was really hard upon Vilmacarti, for after having heard the
praises of all his coadjutors, Vilmacarti should come in for his
poserf establishing the conspiracy.
Lod CAHN AIiVON asked of the Noble Lord (Liverpool), share. He trusted his Learned Friends would still satisfy his
curiosity, and do justice to that injured Italian Attorney, by
who had acted in Hanover for the case against her Royal
adding his eulogiurn to those of his immaculate brethren, because
Highness?
Lord LIVERPOOL mentioned, there hd been but one if, before heating their empty praises, he rhould go into the solid
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et ideate., thrgenight find something in that solid evidence which
agent in lianover—we did not catch the name.
BONTIGLIO ()KATI taws then coiled. would obviate* necessity of their panegyric. Could any doubt
The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to inquire whether the be entertained if the agency of Vilmacarti? He was, in point
examination of the nest witness would relate to Rastelli, or to of fact, an ink cell part of the Milan Commission. The Com-
another part of the inquiry? mission was scarcely ever mentioned without the name of the
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had stated to their Lordships on Sa- Advocate Viimacarti being coupled with it. Vilmacarti and
tutday that he was in no condition to inform the House what Powell stood precisely in the same situation. Now, Powell's
Course he should feel it necessary to take, farther than he should capacity of agent had been recornized by their Lordships, inert-
continue for some time to pursue the present course of inquiry. much that he had been permitted to refuse answering a question
He begged to be understood that this was the only view With indisputably legal, material to the issue, and relevant to the in-
which he was now proceeding to the examinadon of witnesses. quiry then pending, for one reason, and no other, namely, that
The Marquis of LANSDOWN had only called the atten- he was a confidential agent, and therefore not bound to answer
tion of their Lordships to this subject that it might be distinctly any question as to knowledge professionally acquired. If Powell
understood in what course of inquiry they were proceeding. was an agent, so was Vilmacarti, for they stood precisely upon
Her Majesty's Counsel would perhaps state their intentions when the same footing, and were never seen but in the company of
they came to a conclusion of the present line of examination. each other. He could not anticipate any rational ground upon
Mr. Bitoocuaertainly, my Lords. which the acts of Vilmacarti were to be shut out, as irrelevant
BoeLw (Nun rem, the, e„„ed by Mr. wuzi. to this inquiry. They were not asking the witness as to conver-
Do you know the Advocate Codassi?—Yes. 'lotion, but to facts; not to the declarations, but to the deeds of
Was Codazzi concerned as a professional agent for her Royal Vilmacarti. The conduct of Vilmacarti was most material to
Highness the Princess of Wales ?—Yes. the issue, as it affected the case of his Illustrious Client. If they
k Do you know the Advocate Virmacarti?—Yes. were not to be allowed to probe these transactions to the bot-
torn, if they were to be perpetually obstructed in the course of
Had you at any time any conversation with Vilmacarti re-
ipecthig the papers of her Royal Highness which were in the their evidence, and impedad in carrying on her Majesty's &-
custody of Codazzi?—Yes. fence, then he could only say that he should humbly request
their Lordships, or even the parties mast interested in the Bill,
Did you in that conversation explain to Vilmacarti your xes.
sons for coming to him ?—Because there was a person who hid whose very existence as public men depended upon the issue, to
conducted me to his door. answer this one short question—Mow is the Queen to proceed
Did you state that to Vilmacarti ?—I did. further in her defence?
Did you state to Vilmacarti anything whichiSassed between At the conclusion of Mr. BROUGHAM'S argument,. and before
Too and that person who brought you to his door ?—The mo- the SoLserrow-Grantaar. commenced his reply, cries of "hear
• talent he saw me he knew me. and told me to bring him the the witness," proceeded from various parts of the House. '
papers belonging to her Royal Highness. The Souctroa-Glsoram. said, he would not imitate the 03-1
I)id he offer you any inducement to bring these papers? ample of his Learned Friend, by going into a variety of topke
The Soraerrort:Grneara. objected to this course of inquiry. which were wholly irrelevant to the point at issue. He coos
tended that the situation in which Vilmacarti wood differed an-
Ile :eprehentled no conversation between Vilmacarti and the
witness at the Bar could be evidence as to the charges contained tirely from that of Mr. Powell. Besides, no act even of the
in the preamble of this Ball. He should be glad to hear what Milan Commission could be given in evidence, except as it re-
arguments could he urged on the other side. fated to any individual who had been examined at their Lord-I
Mr. Bmovottan said, it was convenient, not to say usual, be- shills' bar. If it were otherwise, their Lordships might go
fore being called upon to defend a particular line of examine- Into endless collateral inquiries, and the Counsel for the Bill
teen, to he:ar not only the objections but the grounds of the ob. must have an opportunity of meeting that collateral matter with
pctians which were made to it. new evidence. It was not necessary, however, to take that Hoe
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, the Counsel certainly of argument, because the question at present was confined
had a right to hear the objection before they could be called solely to VilmacattL No principle of law was clearer than that
up '1n to answer it. the acts of the agent could only bind the principal in so far as
'1 he Scuerroe-GVISRAL said, the ground of his objecttett4 they were within the scope of the authority with which he was
invested. Now, in what situation did Vilmacarti stand ? He
was so palpable, that he had thought it unnecemary to state it.
14.: wished to know upon what principle of law any declarations was, in point of fact, merely an agent employed by the Milan
ot roacarti could be made evidence in this proceeding. Sup- Compilation to bear and take down the evidence in writing.
posing Vilmacarti to have been engaged as an attorney or advo- That was the authority with which he was invested, and it does
not appear that the Milan Commission gave him any power or
can:, his declarations could not be used for the purpose of esta-
autho yond that prescribed
blishing any fact. Unless be heard some arguments on the rity be duty. If an act of bribery
had been committed by'the Milan Commission, or by the Mb.
other side, all he could do was to state, that be did not know
how, according to the usual course, any conversation between vocate, Vilmacarti,, with reference to any individual who had
Vilmacarti and the witness could be evidence. If he were been examined at their Lordships' bar, evidence of that bribery
asked to go more into detail, he confessed that be was unable to would be admissible ; but, except it could be shorn that money
do ot ; because he understood it to be one of the first principles had been offered to that particular individual, it was perfectly
of law, that a conversation which had taken place between a clear that such evidence could not be received. If the agents
witness and a party who stood in the situation of an advocate or had not acted within the scope of their authority, then it was
attorney, could not be made use of as evidence for the purpose admitted on all hands, that their acts could not bind their pan-
of affecting the principal. cipaL Upon this short ground he rested his answer to the argu-
Mr. Wu.oa said, that no question had arisen as to the charac- ments of his Learned Friends, and he trusted their Lordships
ter in which Vilmacarti stood. • He was a known and accre- would be of his opinion.
diced agent. The House adjourned at a quarter past four o'clock until to-
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it would perhaps save morrow (this day).
tinte to refer to those parts of the evidence which went to ' -----:-------
sup-
port that al:egation.
Mr. Wane said, that fact would be established by turning to
slmost any page of the evidence. He referred to pages ,
151, 173, .27, 233, &e. all which parts of the evidence com-
pletely established the agency of Vilmacarti. He knew of no
persons estgaged in this transaction, whose agency was mere
marked and unequivocal, than Colonel Brown and Mr. Powell,
and Vilmacarti stood Is the same situation. It had been the
misfortune of himself and his Learned Friends, whenever they
had occasion to mention the conduct of any persons employed
in this business, to draw down front the other side an euloglum
upon the character of those individuals. He was ready to afford
them a similar opportunity of exercisittg their skill in panegyric,
by shewing what had been the conduct of Colonel Brown and
Vilmacarti. If the conduct of those individuals was not to be
inquired into, where, he would ask, were they to look for per-
sons respor.sible for the mal.practices which might be proved to
have taken pirce ? By the evidence of this witness he was pres
pared to Amy a most corrupt and wicked conspiracy on the'
part of Vilmacarti, which would prove that man to be capable
of any atrocity. Vilmacarti was sustained by Colonel Brown
in this conspiracy, as would be proved by the evidence. He
wished to question the witness upon the conduct of those two
individuals, who were undoubtedly the most active weft in
that transaction. In any Court they would permitted tO in-
quire what bad been the conduct rat professional agents in get-
ting up the case?
Here the LORD CHANCELLOR suggested that the wit-
nets had better withdraw.
Mr. WILDE said the witness did not understand ; word of

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- THE QUEEN.
Considering, as we do, the proceedings before the
House of Lords as a public nuisance that ought to
be abated as soon as possible, it is occasionally ne-
cessary, in the present ferment into which they have thrown the
nation, to remind our Readers that the buslnesannotte Wet
into two cases—the one involving the guilt or i Of the 11
Quutt—the other the safety of the Constitution and Jurispris. I
dance of the country.
The question with respect to the guilt or innocence of, the
QU[I24, every man, possessed even of as little commonsseniev
the prosecutors, regards as settled. The evidence that has bees
adduced is treated with contempt and indignation. No oise
spects it. The Addresses of thousands on thoesands 'to her
Maarstr, declare their conviction of its subornation and perjury.
But the question with respect to the Constitution it 'only
opening, and it is to it we would seriously call attention. It Is
full time that a stop should be put to an investirathan which can
have no other effect than to corrupt the morals of the l'eopie.
—On Friday the recriminatory proceedings commenced, and
the Patron and Parent of the Milan Commission, !o
thrown into the condition of defendant. To yrillt extent the
Wean; now in fact become proeecutor, may earry he just re-
taliation, it is impossible to foresee; but.when notorious circus.
stances are considered, we will venture to say, that a see* al
such disgust will be opened as never was enfolded. before any
Tribunal. edo therefore livplors Ail serious minds to reflect ea,
this. The Clergy of the Establishment, having acquiesced in the
punishmlint of the Quer, by omitting her name In the Liturgy
before the attempt was even made to prove-her cuiltz, are, wer
conceive, out of the question in this &riot and soli* eause....
They have leagued elves with the panders to the prancer 7
don. But the Dissenters, the pious end the sincere Christine,
ought not to lose a moment in coining forward, with ireassaara;
tory Petitions to the Crown and the Peers against the abominable
taint that the obscene enquiries are spreading throughout the land.
Topics are now discussed with females, and before the rising youth
of both sexes, which, before this detestable and flagitious
were regarded as unfit even for the orgies of Oacchanalian

Laglish.
The Somerros-Geszaxt.—We are not sure of that.
The witness was removed, and Mr. Wang continued. The
conduct of Colonel 'Brown and Vilmacarti had been such, that
if it had been proved before any of the Learned Judges who
were now sitting upon the Woolsack, a prosecution so nefariously
got up would have been scouted with indignation from the
Ccnlrt. Ile was persuaded that they would not for one instant.
have suffered a prosecution to proceed, after the professional
agents bad been proved to be guilty of such conduct. He
tr,sted their Lordshiws would permit them to prove, by this
witness, a conspiracy to withdraw the evidence of her Royal
Highness from the custc.dy of her Legal Advisers, and that they
should not be bound down to shoe that Vilmacarti and Colonel
Brown had exprets authority from an unknown principal for
every specific act of ager.cy. Tn shew that they had been ac-
tive was enough. There were many instances in which they
might nut be able to shew the complete link of agency, but me-
lancholy, indeed, would be the situation of their Illustrious
Client, if, when her witnesses had been brought up after such a
lapse of time, and from so distant a country, they were not per-
mitted to prove a foul conspiracy, which bad been plotted
against her, because, forsooth, they could not prove by whose
authority and direction the agents of an unknown prosecutor
had acted. tic trusted, that if their Lordships permitted her
blajesty to be affected by the evidence, they would likewise
permit them to show the character of the witnesses, and of the
persons who had suborned them. It wits a monstrous proposi-
tion, that they should net he suffered to spew what conspiracies
had existed, and what witnesses had been suborned, unless they'
could also shew from what pocket the money came, and what
hand had supplied the mans of corruption. When the agents,
who had been running from one end of the Continent to the
other to get up a case against her Maiesty, were charged with a
wicked conspiracy, it was WO much to prevent her Majesty, at
ibis distance of time, and with the scanty means of information
Which she possessed, from proving that conspiracy, because she
could not trace back the guilty actt of the mania to their mys-
terious principel. He trusted their Lordships would not shut
them out front proving this conspiracy by the tesdniony of the
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present witness,
BAOUGHaII said, it was hardly necessaty for Mtn to oc-
cupy a moment of their Lorsfshipe time, after what hid been
so forcibly and perspicuously stated by his teSined
His Learned Friends had been emtemetfloth to alblw them to