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London, England, 1827-06-28 00:00:00

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suggestion their be;t consideration—a-- _
then be of opinion with him, that the suggestion
wits.a prudent and practicable one, they would bring
in a Bill to facilitate the culture of tobacco in this country.
'Viscount GODERICH said, it was a positive fact,
that the prohibition alluded to by the Noble Earl had
been enacted under the idea that it would be giving I*-
couragement to the cultivation of tobacco in Virginia;
that being the fact, he confessed, it was a measure
which, even at the time of its enactment, was exceedingly
unwise and unnecessary. He, moreover, fully agreed
with the Noble Earl, that whatever grounds might have
hien originally supposed to exist for the measure, they
could have no possible reference to the present time—
(Hear). Why not then repeal it, he might be asked?
He believed the principal reason why the prohibition
bad not been removed arose from a doubt respecting
the practical effects that might result from the intro.
&talon of the culture of tobacco into this country ; for
he believed, that, in order to render it a profitable,
speculation, a drier climate was necessary for the pro:
duction cf good tobacco than we enjoy, either in
Gem Britain or Ireland. But he believed the great
reason why the prohibition had not been removed, was
the very high duty that had been imposed upon that
article, and the amount of which might, it was feared,'
be more or less affected by the successful cultivation of
tobacco in this country. He would candidly confess,
that, with himself, that was a consideration against his
wish to encourage the cultivation of tobacco in these
countries. As the case stood at present, he should like
to start, by lessening the duties on foreign tobacco—
tilto permit the cultivation of British tobacco, and
t take its chance—(Hear, hear; He ought, per-
haps, to apologise to the Noble Earl for seeming to
doubt the accuracy of his statements and calculations;
but he was sure, he need hardly add, that if it could be
proved that the interests of the agriculturists would be
served by the measure suggested by the Noble Lord,
that nothing could give to himself or his colleagues
more pleasure than carrying it into effect.r(Cheers).—
All he could now say, however, was; that the subject
was one well worth the attention of Parliament—(Hear).
The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, the suggestion
of the Noble Earl was equally wise and practicable, for
he recollected, before the prohibitory law, which was
enacted in 1783 or 1784, that the cultivation of tobacco
had been successfully prosecuted in this country, and to
a great extent, for he had seen 200 or 300 acres in one
county occupied in the production of that plant, under
the superintendence of the Excise.
Here the subject dropped.
The Earl of MALMESBURY considered that that
was the proper moment at which to move an amend-
ment to a clause, namely, to substitute in the first clause
of the Bill, p. 2. sec. 2, the words " first day of
June, 1827; for the words 1, first day of July,
1827; by which the principle of the Bill would be ap-
-plied to all the corn war, housed in this country before
the Ist of June, instead of extending it to all corn
that might be in warehouse on the Ist July. His
reason for proposing that amendment was, that he
had reason to believe that the importation of foreign
remain, in the month of June, would be found to have
very considerable. He held in his hand a Re-!
turn of the quantity imported in one week of the
.present month into the'port of Liverpool alone, namely,
from the 6 h to the43th June, which romped a sufficient
_ground for his proposition. That Return spewed, that
in the course of those seven days no fewer than 16 ves-
sels, laden with 8,800 quarters of wheat, had arrived at
Liverpool from Odessa, to which fact he wished para.
calarty to call the attention of his Noble Friend, becalm
his Noble Friend had expressed a belief that very little
corn could be exported from that port (Odessa). In
addition to that quantity, there had also been imported
_ into Liverpool. from Dantaie. within the same period,
16,100 bags of wheat (ethic!) he would take as 7,000
qrs.), making, in the whole, 16,000 qrs. imported within
that week into Liverpool. Now, if it were taken into
ooesideration, that so great as amount of importation
had. within so short a period taken place, into the post
of Liverpool only, he thought it would not be over-cal-
enlacing the amount of wheat that would have been
imported into all the ports of the whole kingdom, in the
month of June, at 600,000 quarters, exclusive of Cana•
dian corn, on which account he trusted Noble Lords
would agree with him, that, in proposing his Amend-
ment, he was only doing that which was called for by
the imperious circumstances of the case. He felt him-
self further strengthened in making that proposition
from the recollection that the present was the only mea•
sure of the kind that had ever been brought in with a
view to prospective effect. The two laws, passed in 1825
and 1826, had only retrospective effects; that of 1825
was to take effect from a period of six woks before the
passing of the Bill; that of 1826 from a date one month
previous to the enactment. Why were we, therefore,
all at once to take a prospective, instead of a retrospec-
tive view is passing. the Bill? These considerations, he
trusted, would justify him in moving the substitution of
the words 4. first day of June," for 4, first day of July,"
in the manner already stated.
Lord GODERIC El thought he could with little def.
_Acuity satisfy his Noble Friend why the present Bill
should, with respect to the period of its taking effect,
differ from the two former cues. In both of those in-
stances, the parties importing had no right to expect
any advantage from Government, because no induce-
meat, no expectation that advantage would be given to
Ahem, bad been held opt. The transaction hadheen of
their own suggestion, and therefore Government wasj us.
lifted in withholding from them any advantage whatever.
Bit the holders of bonded corn in the present case were,
most certainly in a very different situation; because I
they, naturally enough, had bad their hopes excited by
the Bill which bad been carried through the other
House of Parliament, and the successful commencement
of its progress in that House (the Lords) ; and that, but
for the unexpected event which had occurred to it in
that House, they would have had a right to enter their
corn under the provisions of the Bill, if it had passed—
(Hear, hear, hear). It would, therefore, be very hard
to say to the owners of corn, imported since the Ist
of June, "you shall derive no benefit from this Act,
presuming on the success of which you imported
your Corn"— (Cheers). Such a proceeding would
be most clearly an act of gross practical injustice,
which he was convinced their Lordships would not
Cilict upon those intone. without manifest grounds

principle of tie-
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foreign wheat into the
ourse of one sweet
12,000 quarters.
The _ that the terms
of his proposed clause would inflict a manifest act of in-
justice on the parties in question ; and again protested
against the prospective nature of the B 11. He admitted
that, if the principle of tlus Bill was to keep the price of
corn from ascending too high, such would be a proper
principle—but be-should never consent to admit as a
principle, that we were bound to prsiceed with a mea-
sure fur the benefit bf persons engaging in a mercantile
speculation.
The Marvels e 1 SALISBURY supported the asseadaseut et a
BW. which the Noble Lord oppeaite bad himself arbakted4as aid,
a temporary measure.
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The Marquis of lALISBURY admitted that the
Noble Lord had not said so in terms, and proceeded to
condemn the Bill, which he described as one of the most
unjust•attacks that had ever been made upon the agri-
cultural interests of the country. Therein, another point
to which he wished to Call the atteficiort of their Lordships.
They had heard it stated, that because a Btu jsad gone
through some stages in that House, which their Lord-
, ships had not afterwards thought fit to pass, that parties
' had a right to complain of such rejection, they having
been encouraged to speculate in trade by. that which had
been done in the other House of Parliament. To attend
to such a complaint, or to suffer k to influence their
Lordships &Asian, would be to make a mere nullity of
their Lordships' House,-and to render the records of its
proceedings a register or index for the other House of
Parliament.
Lord GODERICH had never said the parties in ques-
tion were entitled to advantages at all; but, above all,
he had never said,, that, because the other House
of Parliament had passed a Bill, it would be unjust
for their Lordships not to give effect to its provi-
sions. All he had said was, that those persons who
should have imported corn in the month of June were
as clearly entitled to consideration as those who had
already imported any—(Hear ) His Noble Friend
would, he trusted, thus see, that he had totally changed
the character of his (Lord Godatich's) sentiments—
(Hear.)
Lord REDESDALE, having heard so much about
the reliance placed by the importers of foreign corn
upon the faith of proceedings in Parliament, would ask,
had not the farmers cultivated ►heir lands under the
faith of actually existing laws? He should therefore
ask the Noble Lord, why then encourage those who,
only speculated upon a pos.ible enactment? He re-
membered to have heard Mr. Pitt say, over and over
again, that the gteat danger to be apprehended from
the warehousing system was, that it tended to encou-
rage a mischievous spirit of speculation. What else was
now contended for, than the encouragement of such a
spirit ? The present Bill was, moreover, in direct op-
position to the spirit of the old Corn Laws, which only
contemplated importation in the event of absolu:e
scarcity; in the present case, no scarcity was felt, ex-
cept with respect -to one article—barley—and, there-
fore, it wps unnecessary, consequently unjust, to
applyit to wheat. What had been the effect of per-
mitting the importation of wool ? That a great quan-
tity of foreign wool had been imported, and that the
British wool-growers had th ee years' produ:e on
hand. The principle .cf the BM was the same as that
of the mestere which bad been rejectei. The system
of duties to be found in it was the same, and their
Lordships were thus called upon to sanction the prin-
ciple of the very Bill which the Noble Lords opposite had
thought proper to abandon. These Corn Bills were
founded upon principles of robbery and wrong. There
was a deep laid conspiracy among the rich Bankers
and Traders of the country to put down the landed in-
terest—(Hear, hear). That design had been openly
avowed at a late Public Meeting, at Birmingham; and
he implored their Lordships to resist all these attempts
at innovation, and so save the Constitution.
After a few words from Lord T x, the question was put
upon the armothssent, which was negatived without a division.
The other classes were thee agreed to, sod the WI ordered to be
read a third dose toinarsow.—Adjourne4 at Savan oTtattc.

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Irby tie km should be Hog). foe* parting so widely from every ph
be believed, the sisede—(Hear, hear). He dilated very
ight possibly open new
_sediiiimmalmoevce his Noble Friend respecting the amount
while dip repeal gipuwabibitory- Act smelt would have been-lusported in the coarse ly
ea our Ftitutiiitlaw unjust in ptinciple, and 'oath—for he held in his hand a return fi
Otorioos in its effects. He hoped, that,* qualified to inform him (an of lathe cm
would elapse between the close of ebb *Wed that the importation of foreign et
id the commencement of the next Sessions of port of I.osidon (we believe) in the course
hit- Majesty's Ministers would give to the of the isibissis of June, bad been only 12,00
their best consideration—and that should The Earl of MALMESBURY denied tl