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proposed was 21s. Id. while that of Government was
211. 3d. Tile whole amount was the sane, but he con-
sidered his a better division of it. It had been ohjected
to every system of duties that during years of protection
pri=es were low,and high when there was no protection.
and that therefore it would be better for the apiculture'
interest to have no protection at-all. This only went to
prove, that with occasional high prices there would be
occcasional famine. In such a state of things, the mer-
chants and ti-t the agriculturists were the gainers. Na-
tional grenades always led to starvati:•n. The best
granary was the farmer's yard, because be could not
retain his corn from the market so long as to produce
inconvenience. It was mercantile accumulation which
pro: need high prices. This he humbly conceived was
the true principle; and such being his conviction, he
should, without any .personal feeling in the matte.,
submit his Resolutions by way of Amendment.
The amended Resolutions proposed by Mr. Bairn were then
read.

Mr. W. WHITMORE was anxious to state the views
which Fe rook upon the subject. He totally differed
from the Resolutions proposed by his Majesty's Govern.
ment and the Hon. Member wl.o had just spoken. It
the usual speculations for trade existed, he could hardly
I c'ieve it possible that, under the proposed Regulations,
any individual would import unless the price was 73
A rise of Ils. in the market over 82s. would give him an
advantage by which be would gain 21s. or 225. If the
object of Government was to prevent speculation,nothing
could tend Mort to defeat the object than the present
propositions.Thelion. Member contended, that the t ff-ct
of the Resolutions would not be such as was hoped. Hr
alluded to the Report of Mr. Jacob, and quoted certain
4:Kis in that Repot tin proof of his asses tion. With respect
to the supply of corn, the difficulties under this system
would be very great.He entered into various calculations,
to show that since 1823 a great diminution in the growth
rd corn had taken place, to the extent of four millions
ri quarters, and he contended that consequently this
country tequired all the corn that could be imported to
ke out the consumption, for the home grown corn was
not sufficiently productive for all purposes of supply.—
Ile was apprehensive that if a measure of restriction
followed upon the regulations on importation, the most
frighifiii consequences might be expected to follow, as
the increase of population was great. Mr. Jacob esti-
mated the increase in Europe amounted to 28 or 29 mil.
lions, in England and Ireland to about three millions and
a half—(Qut stion). The Hon. Member said he would not
be deterred by the call for the question. If his arguments
were inimical, let Gentlemen meet theArtor by argu-
ment, and not by clamour—(llear, hear).'lle repeated
his apprehensions respecting the resttictive system, and
then pti ceeded to comment on the Bill of 1815, and
the consequences which followed the ptovisicns of that
Bill, which did not afford any real or adequate ad-
vantage; to the agriculturist. Since chat time a
rapid fall had taken place in the pr:ce of corn, and
therAote be was justified in saying, that though a high
pt ice was the effect of the operation of the Bill, in the
first two years after it passed, yet tl,e st:bsAient de-
pression confirmed its inefficacy. Ile wished to know
what would have been the sittiatitaa of the count, y in
1828, it the B 11 of 1615 had come into lull operation?
Then every foreign granary would have been swept
by speculators, and the price of corn would have
been so extravagantly high, that the mischief would
have been undoubted. He contended, that the fluc-
tuations in price would be most dangerous to the
farmer, whu must suffer. An immense mass of capital
had already been stripped from the farmer, and if the
te-tr ictive s) stem wete continued, it was impossible to
calculate the extent of the mischief. Measures muse
pteguant with evil could not be devised than depending
on an artificial supply. The increase in the value of
land in England, since 1773, had been thieeh.ld, anci
the House would see, therefore, how such a system
would operate. The Hon. Member referted to the
official value of imports and exports for ten years, to
show the immense increase in the manufactures of the
country. The Resolutions b.fore the Committee were
so at valiance wi h each other, that he would persist in
nosing his own.
On the question being put on the amended Resolutions, the
ristkry was cleared for a division, but the Committee did not then
divide.

When we re-entered the gallery we found
Mr. Secretary PEEL addressing the Douse. The Right Hon.
Gentleman was citing extracts (tom the Report of Mr. Jacob,
showing, that wheat imported from Dantzic into the Island of
(;uernsey, was sold at a very considerable loss to the grower, al-
though It actually was shipped as ballast. When the duty in this
country war at 265. ed. there were only 2,000 quarters of corn im-
ported into this country ; and taking the average price of the foreign
cost, and the charges attending the shipping and other expenses.
together with the amount of -duty. he telt satisfied, supposieg the
foreign cost price to be equal to 295. that it would be imposrible to
/Abet any serious injury upon the British grower. At such a price
foreign importation would not take place ; it would be too high fur
the mere speculator, and the foreign grower would not risk the loss
which he must necessarily suffer. The Committee had the evi-
dence of Sir Claude Scott and Mr. Jacob in justification of his
opinion ; and for the present he felt it unnecessary to occupy their
farther attenuates.
['Jr. I'ORTNIAN was aware, that as far as Rotterdam was
COTICCUIrd. Milliliter% had n.ade out a gond case, but would prove
that they had failed with regard to Dantzic, and "Hamburgh, and
Guernsey. First, then, with reap. ct to Guernsey, there was the
evidence of Sit C. Scott, that corn (owing to an accumulative stock
beim; on hand) could be obtained at Rostock at twenty two shillings
and sixpence. Sir Claude stated, that Itoetock was not an isolated
ease, for that he could procure corn trom twenty six shillings to
thirty shillings. lie begged to ohwrve that he theta spoke of grain
of prime quali.y. The evidence of the Douse of Lords report
than the average of the four quarters in 1626 at ll.amburgh. was
twenty our shillings, a price which the duty of the present Bill could
not balance, so as to protect agriculture. He would refer also to
Ittr•Jacplie Second Report, which showed that 211. was the price
at bleckleuburg, when it varied ham 16s. bd. to 21s. 81. and for
et.. at Bremen, whip the same was a shade higher. Now the
average pike of coin last year its this country was 545. or rather
525. at which price the proposed duty evidently affords d no perfect
protection agipeo the imports front the ports he had mentioned.—
Therefore be must support his Duo. Friend, the Member for Wilt-
shire's, Amentlncent.
Mr. Secretary- .PF.EI. gave every credit to the Hon. Member
for the sincerity of his motive ; but even upon the evidence of Sir
Claude Scott, it appeared that the price of wheat at Rostock was
nearly thirty t etc shillings, and indeed, that taking the vitiate of
the different foreign ports, whence corn was most likely to be
shipped, the price would be little short of the sante amount, with-
out including the charge for freight and peat to the grower, or
any of the other incidental expenses. There was only one cargo
of Pomeranian corn, which was sold at twenty-two shillings; that
was an extreme case, ai,d Sir Claude Scott further stated, that at
such a price the grower must have been a considerable loser. So
far then, it must be quite evident that the English agriculturist had
to. lust ground for any serious apprehension—(Cries of Question).
Mr. rowr MAN said he had oral' recently received a commu-
Ilitatioll front Rostock, dated in the course of last month, from
whence it appeared that the price of wheat from that place,
Go board, duty free, did not amount to more than USN—(llear).
That statement ntight be against his general position, but it was.
Perri thelevc, his duty to state it fairly.
Sir W. W. WYNN raid, that no Government in the world would
persevere in a duty of 20s. and any Government might safely per-
severe in one of 10.. Upon the whole, the Bono; table Baronet
would be disposed to support some toodificetion between the acals
of last year. and that of the present.
Mr. I. F .)STE It here tolore opposed all propositions with respect
to theimportation of foreign corn that had emanated from Ministers,
and then, for the first true, felt it to he his duty to give their plea.
sure his roost marked approbation. 'Mere might be too much, nu
kin than too ht f:e protection. It the former, the country could not
it tittered ala Lot the dai.gers or 'ambit consequent upon dearth ;
if the latter, C.e dowestic agrico!terist could not be remunerated.
Jr was idle to
pt-c. at particular porta, when
tiut.to the averio!.:
thaws was epplaate to tin Mouth 01 the themes the tort h i kot-