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Herding to the opiniosi of Mr. Denman. If Ms Learned Friends
could point out conwadiegions in the testimony of Majocchl, be
could tdkdo4g in the tutimarf of Carrington ; nay, such con-
tridictions nor such evaslotts, as would spew that his evidence
could not be relied on. What did Carrigton prove with respect
to RucaneUi, at which the supposed conversation with Idajocchl
k•said to have taken place relative to BaronOmpteda? Rucanelli !
The circumstance be was going to mention was trifling in itself,
but was one, on the present occasion, which required to be at-
tended to. Carrington said Rucastell; was only four miles from
Rome ; that the travelling there only occupied about three quar-
ters of an hour, and that it was nearer Rome than FrascatL—
Was chat true? What did Carlo Forte say on that subject?—
'hat it *as twelve miles from Rome, and that Frascati was
nearer it than Rucanelli. It would further appear he contra-
dicted himself in page 591, as compared with his examinatke
in page 693. In page 991 he was asked—
" Were you in any other ship in his Majesty's service than the
Poictiers?—No.
" Had you any certificate from Sir John Beresford of your
service under his command ?-1 had it, but I have not it now.
" Were you rated a Midshipman on board the Poictiers ?
I was.
" What situation had you served in before you were on board
the Poictiers as Midshipman ?—I had been at sea in the Mer-
chant service when I was a boy ; then I had been on land and
got my livelihood in the best way I could.
You are to be understood that you were never in his Ma-
jesty's service before ?—No.
" Did you join that ship as a Midshipman, capable of doing
your immediate duty, or as a youngster wan with Sir John
Beresford on board the Poictiers.
" Do you mean that you entered as a youngster to learn your
duty, or did you go upon the quarter-deck as an effective Mid-
shipman ?—I was not a very youngster; I did not go on the
quarter-deck for some time, but I understood I was to .be
Midshipman.
" Yon are perfectly clear in your own mind that you left his
Majesty's service for no other reason than at your own request?
—iething else."
[While the Counsel was reading this, some impatience was
exhibited, amid cries of Hear, hear! go ea site.]
Now one thing was clear, Carrington must have known if he
served in one vessel or is many ; and the questions put to him
were so pointed to the fact, that his not answering them evidently
sheered he must have had some modve for concealing the truth.
When asked, in page 695, If he understood he was to be a mid-
shipman, or whether he had been in any other ship, he said be
understood the question solely to apply to his service with Sir
John Beresford. Would their Lordships, however, think that
explanation at all satisfactory ? Beside, be deposed to coover-
sadons held with Sir John Beresford, which were denied by that
honourable Officer, and that upon a fact which no man ant*
mistake. Here he might remark how very unusual It was to
call a witness to support the testimony of one who had trifled in
his cross-ex.intination.
Earl GREY—Counsel withdraw.-0 My Lords, I beg, in
justice to myself and to your proceedings, to offer a necessary
explanation, in consequence of what has fallen from the Com-
l.& I did not call for the production of any witness foe the
purpose of supporting the inconsistency of another witness. It
is in your Lordships' recollection, that a Noble Lord on the op-
posite side (Melville) had. in consequence of official informa-
tion, desired that Carrington should be called up again. In the
course of the evidence Carrington stated certain things and ap-
pealed to the knowledge of Sir John Beresford. In order to
elucidate the truth, I certainly moved, that Sir John Beresford
should be requested to attend this House. I called fur that at-
tendance with the impression that his examination would either
support or contradict the evidence of Carrington. I could not
have any other object ; and if your Lordslsips did not think that
Lion justifiable. you would, no doubt, have checked me.
proposition justifiable, you would, no doubt, have checked me.
The Counsel for the Bill permitted himself to say, that I did so
with the view of producing one witness to uphold the inconsis-
tencies of another. I could not hear such an aspersion thrown
ottt, imputing to me a motive which I feel to be an aspersion,,
*without, on the instant, sluing to disclaim it, and to assert deo it
is quite unfounded"—(Hear, hear, hear).
Counsel were then called in.

The Arrosinte-Gauguac continued.—He was stating, that
Sir J. Deresford had been, undoubtedly, called to elucidate the
truth, but that, under such circumstances, it was not usual for
one witness to be called to confirm another. Though be was
not entitled to know *hat had just passed, he must my, in jus-
gee to himself, that he meant to cast no imputation upon the
Noble Lord. For one, he sincerely rejoiced that the course bad
been pursued, because it had elicited the truth, aud shewed that
Carrington had stated what was mann. He would now call
the recollection of the I louse to what Sir .Totin &resford, had
sworn, on pages 841, 842, and 845. The following were some
of the earliest questions put to him :
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" Do you remember a person named William Carrington
serving on board the Poictiers?—Yes, as a Quarter-Master.
Was he never otherwise employed than as a Quarter-Mas-
ter I—Never, while I commanded.
" Did you, when you left the ship, leave any directions for
rating him a midshipman ?—There was an acting Captain on
board, Captain Jones. At the request of Sir William Gell, who
wished to procure his discharge, I directed the Captain to rate
WillLun Carrington as my clerk; but he was discharged, rated
midshipman.
" You know then, that he was rated midshipman ?—I never
knew it of myself; but 1 find that he was, in order to get his
discharge.
64 In point of fact, then, he was a midshipman ?—He was.
" Was it at Sir William Gell's request, and not in conse-
quence of any request on his part 7—At Sir William Gell's re-
peated request to me.
" Did you give him, at the time of his leaving, a ship certi-
ficate of good conduct?—l gave him a certificate of good ems-
duct either before he left the ship or after, I do not know
which, but I gave him a certificate.
" You gave him a certificate expressing your approbation of
his conduct ?-Yes ; he was a very good man while I commanded
the ship, and I gave him a certificate, as 1 do all good seamen.
" Are their Lordships to understand from you, that William
Carrington, in point of fact, never was a midshipman of the
Poictiers while you commanded that ship 2—Never.
" He never did the duty as a midshipman?—Never.
" Do you recollect any conversation with Carrington, as to
his being rated as a midshipman, or brought forward in e ser-
vice as an officer?—Never.
" Do you recollect his complaining to you, that he did unlike
the sea, and that he wished to get his discharge on that account?
I will state the proceeding before he said he did not like the sea.
" Did he ever state to you that he wished to be discharged
from his Alajeity's service, because he did not like the sea ?
yes ; Sir William Gal asked me to do him the favour of mac-
Honing this man's discharge ; I called Carrington' and said—
' Carrington, what, do you wish to leave the servioe? I hope to
Don you will not leave the servke :* he said he was very anxious
to leave the service, he was pressed into it, and did not bike the.
are. ',think those were his words, as nearly as I can be upon
my wit; 1-waaaarprised when this discharge was asked for.
Was chub( any engagement that Carrington should be rated
as a midshipsnans- or any understanding on that subject, at the
this heater on based your ship 7--No; he was drafted, I be-
lieve, Oilman( the Pak*. Aim another ship ; I had never
seen Mat till then.
“ Was there any antregement dosing the time of his service
at a quartermaster, that he should be made *midshipman what
• be was serving in your -ship 7—Not by me, there was no en-
gagenvost.
Did WilliapCarvington have the service in the year int ?
--Yes, he
" lhd bg, or had he sot, been a midshipman foe twelve
months beApre he left the service?--No; be bad never been a
midshipman before be left the service, to my knowledge.
" Did he ever decline the appointment uf midshipman?--I
never 'offered it to him.
Qo you know whether be did or did not receive 'Tidal*.
mans pay for a twelvemonth?—The ship's books can best tel
that ; but I should say no; • the skip's books are alwaye rep.
larly kept, and ean be referred to.
" You are certain that you never gave Carrington any mum
to expect proinotion as a Midshipman during the time he served
as a Quarter7Master 7...N0t while I was in the ship.
e Did Carrington ever state to you any dil6ealty, in point of
s• pense, of dressing himself, and maintaining himself as a blid-
phiprnad 7—N6; if he had, I should have maintained him, as I
did otbsrp in the service, till he could pay me again.
•• '• you ever tell Clrrington that be was to be on the quar-
ter-deck; .0 do you recoiled Carrington replyitig, that he did
noi wish' to he op gig tratter-dreek, for he had's° friends a
money to smart iii at the qv:timer-deck 7-elletteve toid ma
any such thing and after I knew he was wbe air Was. Gees