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London, England, 1829-04-03 00:00:00

it Alf 4a.,lo;Establithe Church►liereslargemissionary
itwelie4 b4ve.reli j ,cued, ant their efforts have been
lifeteaal iA raell distant regions, and the effects of
telt exertions hie been felt and.appreciated to a 'my
lade ezterit_i hut if such soci• ties do not receive the
isioweirce—nar, the 'Kind! tripport, of the Colonial
ogierary. I slfirm the' their objects, if carried on at all.
bokoduce bat eery little beneficial molt. I contend
ken;ty Lewd's. that the King of Gredt B. stain cannot
be fairly represented by any Colonial &misty of State
leho. is, not a Proce•tan,. Now, my Lords, with
eference also to the Secretes), of St •te for the Home
tiospertment, I should
.have much ta say, but that
do oat desire to trespass at much greater length
e.ethe attention of your Loidships Bit I must
obietve that the Wine Secretary possesses item
int* with regard t . the E.tablished Church, and that
g,,c,misidetahle portion to Church patronage is placed
is his hands and at his disposal I most also ad.l,
that -"his it fluence is almost unhounded over many
4. the institutions connected with the Church. I may
tray so much with re.pect to the Church of England ;1
but with reference to the Cfurch flt lost, I will

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a-lt your L irdships to consoler for a few mom-•nts th..l
situatiOn in stitch a Peritestaot L..rd I.,,euteoatit of that
4itafitry would be placed w►th . It man Catholic S.--
cretaty of State and a Woman Catholic Secretary for
Leland. I trust I shall not be considered as pressing
my o*n views too far in contendifig that the Church
4 gngland will risk the loss of its PI utestant charactet
it this measure be passed at all; but to this observation
I must also add, that I do not cmisider it absolutely

necessary that, even if we have a change in the consti•
;Erdal of the country, there should be a change in the
nature of the materials out of which the Government cf
that country is composed. If, then. this measure be
tarried. I will say that the heads 01 the present adminis•
Ration must feel the heavyresponsibilityundet which they
labour by the consequences that may ensue; and. while I
hope that they will look at every part of the measure now
before the Huu.e as Protestant statesmen ought to
clO, I hope their most earn at attention will be given to
those features of it which cannot but materially affect
the Church rff Deland. My Lords, that branch of our
Established Church demands the most deliberate con-
sideration, and I say that you will not act fairly towards
that country if you do not adopt every means consistent
with jastice to deliver the mass of its people from the
tyranny exercised over them by their Priests, to pre-
vent them horn being any longer kept by violence
from script.tral instruction—that scroisttr. al instrac•
trots which would in the end lead to a ref rmation

there as it has done here. 'Piero is another topic
ur)sich I would piesi upon your Lordships. It is
this—that no village in lieland.that no spot throughout
that country. shall be suffered to remain without its
affording to Protestants the means of worshipping GOD
according to the dictates of their cin,cience. With
respect, my Lords, to securities I must, in justice to
his Majesty's Ministers, say that I should not bavr
been satisfied- with the securities which they
.have, 1
*kink, very wisely selected— I mean the payment of
the. Roman Cathrshc priestho rd, which would foam
something like a Roman Catholic Crutch establish
nseitt under the protection t f the State. I consider,
then, that the Government has been more than jut-
tified in refusing to listen to such a proposition.
My Lords, it afforded me much pleasure to heat the
Noble Duke at the head of his Majesty's Government
dedare his intention to do all in his power fur the cat-
eying into effzet the laws for preventing the admission
of Jesuits into this country, because I had apprehended
that those laws w.,uld'not only be evaded, but would
remain as little else than'i dead letta upon the statute
book. Thus. my lords,,k.hare raised my voice against
the minor det iils and against the general principle of
the Bill no.. lying upon the table of this House, and
which your. Lordships have been called upon by the head
of his M 4 4)% Government to read for a second time.
To that Bill I am fixedly and decidedly opposed. I
trust that, in the opposition I give it, I am actuated by
wi spirit unbecoming a Christian Bishop, and that the
course I have taken has been pursued without any undue
warmth. without any uncharitable feeling, but solely
and exclusively out of regard to a deep sense of duty to
the interests committed to my. charge. I will now
trouble your Lordships no further. but move. as an
amendment to the motion of the Noble Duke, that this
Bill he read a second time this day six months.—(The
Hight Reverend Prelate resumed his seat amid conti-
sto-d cheers).
The ArChbishop of ARMAGH then rose and said—
My Lords, I rise to second the motion which the Right
Reverend Prelate has just moved, and in doing so I (eel
myself bound to address your Lordships with reference
to the great and important question you are now assem-
hied to tisane. My-Lords, Ido not expect that upon
my recommendation you should reject a B II which has-
been passed by the House of Commons, and introduced
into the House at' the recomMendation of his Majesty,
under the auspites of the Noble Duke who is at the
bead of his. Majesty's Government, and with the appro-
bation of hi. Colleagues in the Administration ;
but, my Lords, I (eel that I have a sacred duty
to discharge towards the Irish branch of the
Protestant Established Church of there realms, and
thlstelore I consider myself bound to declare to you
soy sentiments regarding a measure by which it is su
nearly and so materially affected. It is nit to inflame
animosity that already mists, or to widen the breach that
l know to continue between contending parties, that 1
now site to address you, for among the present sup
posters of the Bid are many with whom I am con-
nected bribe ties of friendship; but it is my bounden
. though painful duty to declare the deep concern I
have felt that thotie under whose direction this mea-
sure ha; been conceited and formed ihould have coos-
milted themselves upon so vital a question, without im-
parting to us their intentinna un.il those intentions were
irtevizably fixed. In ielding to this Measure, the per -
soli to whom I have all Oded hive held in view one of
two results. Tney hope either that the admission of
the Raman Catholics to political power will give adds-
beset strength to the cdtnitry by tranquill zing Ire-
. land, having sat l:Gill :drilla. demands, or they hope
that. if elec.); be not the consequence of the measure, the
Promised.* sill form an united parry, and act firmly
sold In Conceit for the peikeiiatiinf of their interests. I
tat it for giatued that aft thiadVoCates,Of this Bill, wfio
are at the same time it sei.ds to the Protestant Church.
have either of Viese two objects its view. First then,
my ,Lords. with regard to the Hipp• sition char this
meisme, if granted. wilt true pallier Ireland,latk you;
to wee" in tris oreaute sail that' the Roman Citbuljcs
WI SO`fisr.i. this from the I actony Lordt, that they
themselves burly. led y, uspch is. not tire case. They
du not hesiime to iteclair that this measure is but a iota'
poetiosi i 4 what the) tequire,, and *hat they :Aim the)
Dave i right to demand. It it mina kable that the v: I)
Ova bpi!), ii.ti :stained his Maj.stela Speech to butt.
/looses clilm luns.a t n the .i.entng of the present Ses
• on, and which Speeels fectimhs'erioed to the Lee e
the evwsideres tot finial it ala..e.
sl, it tide veLf' pillWith9 6.iltdined f tire xi es
-obto• ere to be' used as toe means of

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listurbing the public peace, and. the great moirkif
gotatiOnWaS, reported to bare declared that lie tirai
. willing
'accept Is. $l, iii be pound this &aim,
was determined to renew with energy in the nest his
demand for the renseining 12s. 6d. that was hie Am—
end he is also stated to have said that the regeneritioti of
Ireland would never be completed anti! the odious and
degrading Act of Union was repealed. rind that Ireland.
'runt a p that province, should nee .nie a great' and an
indepeodent nation, or that, at least. the pledge given
by Mr. Pitt at that union was redetnie4, and th,
ft•;tnAn Catholic religion embo,fiei with the sta.e as
the Presb)t.rian rerigivn was at the Scottish onion,
aholi•liing the tithes, however, and leaving Vie clergy
to a chance dependence upon those among whom they
deir, It. Now. my Lords. let it not be said that 'Nth,
are 14 'nary schemes of a demagogue, the wild raving
of an agitator, and that the it man Catholic Gentry
had more mo.seration, sod entertained no such views.
I believe that the It .man Catholic Licit, y generally
deserve such an observation ; but, any Lords, the
tact is. that the Aristocracy and Gentry of ',eland
have on influence whatever in that country ; the
Cole, ref modesation is therefore seldom heats'. alai,
•heir head. is utterly disregarded. It is in the Catho-
lic priec.thood that the power rests. It is the Catholic
prie.thood who form the great, almost the sole, origin
of the existing state of things in Ireland, It
.is the Ca-
tholic prirath od.whe have laboured, sod are. labour
ing, to break down the barrier of our Protestant Con-
stitution. By this Bill, then, my Lords, you would
remove the only securities we enj .y, without making
friends of those y e seek to conciliate—by this Bill
you would increase the power to do mischief without
iessening the desire to do it—(Hear, hear). would
you disarm the Priests of their unlimited and danger-I
ous influence over the people?—would you dissove the
divided Allegiance to the Church of Rome?—would you
place the Catholic priesthood in the situ ition in which
they ought to be placed, and under the circum,
stances that ought to have existence—then, indeed.
much good might he done by this measure. and many
benefits might result from it. Brit sill any Noble Lord
say that he thinks the effect of this measure will be to
make the Catholic priestho 4 satisfied to remain infe.
riot in rank to a clergy the validity of whose orders
they deity, and permit w remain in quiet possession
of certain privileges a Church which they revile as
adulterous, heretical, and is f mous? Des any Noble
Laid ima,ciiie that the Roman Catholics silt have

less desire to art ick and injure that Church, merely
because they are in possession of a greater power
to attack an I do it iojuiy?—diear, hear.)—Does
any Noble Lord expect that the Catholic P. iesthnnd
will at once quit their hold upon the Roman Catholic
people the molient it is i • their power to turn that hold
upon them to the best account, and make it tend vs their
own advantage and advancemeot ? Surely no Noble
Lord, surely no individual in the country, can anticip are
any suds result. Because, th. a, my Lords, I feel assured
that this n easure will ant tranquillize Ireland—' ecause
I feel certain that tt is n.,t desired for its own value, but
in order to press with greater cettainty and effect some
ulterior objects, the acquirement of which they will never
relinquish—because I am persuaded that an increase of
power will only forward Vte acquit ement of lath objects I
—1 feel tassel! t culla to oppose the measure which the'
Noble Duke at the head of Lis Majesty's Government has
called upon you to pass. It is with this feeling, and,
under this conviction, regardless of the obloquy that
may attach t i me in consequence of the course Lam
pursuing, that I consider myself called un to stand
upon the ground that affords us a station for defence—
a station which I affirm we ought not to quit ultil we
a it assured of security for the Established Church, and
which 1, for my ()An part, will never leave until I ant
satisfied that the Protestant insii utions of Leland ash
secured. Having said so
.n),uch, my Lords, with re-
ference to one of the positions which, when I rose
to address you, I stated my belief must be one of two
contemplated by every advocate of this measure who
was at the same time a friend to the E•tablisbed Church.
I will now proceed to the coosideration of the other.
and upon this I will offer a few words. If this measure,
then, do not satisfy the Catholics, it will at least unite
the Protestants in one firm bond of resistance. Such
is the argument ; and it is also said, on the one band,
with a divided cabinet, and with the two Houses of
Parliament diiided upon this question,• no certain
line of . policy can be pursued, no useful measures
adopted, no advantageous plan suggested, with any
certainty of carrying them into effeci—no laws enacted
tq limber the grand objects of society—no views
env uraged that tend to the honour of the country
while, on the other hand, it, after the boon be granted,
the Roman Catholics should strive to raise themselves
into a degree of poser subversive of the institutions,
and dangerous to the welfare of the country, men s
eyes would be at once opened, they would be looked
upon as incorrigible, and would be deprived of all Pro-
testant support; while the Protestants would unite
themselves Into a phalanx that would utterly ruin those
who had been combined for their destruction. Now,
my Lords, all this sounds well, and 1 am bound to give
credit to those persons who use such an argument
for %sing it in siucetity ; and I hope, when we call
upon those persons to redeem their pledges of at.
tacbment to the Protestant Established Church, the
call may not be made in vain. But boa can
we hope that the Protestants will stand fires and
united against farther enactments, when their best se-
curity has been wrested from them? My Lords, I
greatly doubt whether we should witness such a result
in case attempts to procure other enactments in their
favour were made by the Rciman Catholics. If the
differences that have existed in the Cabinet upon this
subject have been now brought forward as an arguaseit
for
.granting certain concessions, where is the prod
that the same argument will nt.t be resorted to, to ob.
tarn other and still greater concessions? Is it 'to be
supposed that differences of opinion will not again'
arise upon such a subject? or that, when new demands
are made, when millions are again arrayed against us, as
resistless arguments trill not be brought forward to in-
duce us to make faither sacrifices, in order to obtain
that peace which is continually •receding from us thi,
mote eager we are to preserve it?—(Hear, hear.) But.
my Lords, the advocates or this measure deny that
there is my danger in conceding it. Now, my. Lords,
it it cal be 'shown that the Roman Catholics •can be
asimittesi to the privileges which this Bill would
give them with safety to the Irish Church establish
meat, 1. for one, shall not vote fir their ezciusion.—
My Lords. all men who know any ib ng of the state or
poi vcal pirtiee in this country, and ut the mantles in
which bu loess is conducted. know very well bow re
will be the raluerice exercised in all public acts by that
14 ge body of Roman Cathoics which we have every
reit on to believe NIA Iiad.44OIIIIaUCIII into the populist
branch of the
.legtdaio:e.i, They know very well hen
.4.41 so compact a rody of politica' partisans will be to
thwart a good or give speolith to a OkdatietifiaArkjiol).
l'bey.
_know/ Oho, that . any administrations' rwirkb at.
tempted • boldly to cootroul a ear •• °old .14'..ty ACM
•e at .41Lii.ii,c.--(llear. heir •) to 1166.4 who We net

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swan of the facts let ale. recall a few circnni
Itaates, w!sieb lisp* 'Cisniiince. even them that the
conclusioas I draft ate conect. That body will
be sent into Parliament by the unman Calorific Priests
—Priests, be it retwernbered; under the domination and
cnotroul of a foreign. State-.—a foreign State armed enth
all the taunts of s superititias all•posperful in Ireland
Wm it he said that such a number of Catholics b 0 bent
IA P•afli • 'bent, so bound together by unity of purpose, so
koverned and direCted, will not be asst to subject. the
Established Chuicli to treat daoser,ander the most fea -
leas and upright of administrations? What Vim, I ask,
would they not be able to accomelish under any mho
Amino.' tabor.? Can any man doubt that they woul.l
not then be as able a. they aft..now WiAlieg to scenes..
plash the downfall of the Prire,tatit Church, and to raive
their own on it, ruins? Of this I am most confiJeot,
that no trror can be greater than that of those who, pro-
fessing thembelses friends of the . Erstahli.died Church,
for ward this meabureunder the notion of streugtheoi,,g•
her delencps, and with the expectation of con.touiliis
her adversaries by gratitude. No policy can be ruche
senseless than this, but it es a polky which has ahead,
served t..e put pp.*, of the Roman Catholics; for that
polizyit is which has disuoted the Church's blends.—

(The Right Bremen.' P Cate here raubed for some,
moments, seemingly exhausted by the heat of tray
House). I beg pardon, my 1.. irds. fir &talon% you
There is ann her topic. I may say * kindred topic, as
all 'elating t s the secwity of the Protestant Church are,
and it is those which I shall chit fly urge, to which; .1
wish to c• 11 your Loidships° atterie . The Roam.
Catholic ptiesthood, from the very nature of the religion
whose ministers they are, must ever 5141111 alone la.
Protestant c usury. All other dissenting sects msy
finally unite with the Established Chisichs but she Re,
man Catholic priesthood have set a mark of si paten=
on their own foreheads by their unnatio al th .ugh politic
iestrictions, by thetr arrogant assumptiou of iiit alibi its,
by their dangerous aid till ct late supposed unconstitu-
tional connection ...kb a toreigisSt de. and bytne absolute
ascendancy they Insist, wl a ever they are able, on men-
tenting over all either Chinches. These. I say, are essen-
tial points of difference between the Human Cathutic
and other dissecting sects; for with these last ascen.
once is oat of the question, and whenever danger
threatens Protestantism they can make constimo canes
with it for defence. But the ascendancy wawa the
Roman Catholics aim et will by this Rat be placed
within their teach ;and Noble Lords must temember that
with the Rsiman Catholic priesthood the pi munition ot the
'cause t their Church is the end of their being; it ranks in
their estimation superiot to maim!, to lunched, arid to
friends. Ido not mein to say, my Lords, that attet
the passing of this LI li the subversion of the Established
Church will be immediate, nor do I think that it wilt
be tar removed. In all probability its cow sues M ill at
fist be cautious in thi'ir approaches, and will conceal
them under various pretences. But at leng It my Lads,
emboldened by success, feeling the strength of the
political situation we are About to give them, they will
I openly-avow and Carry what has been their object from
the beginning--the subversion of the Protestant Church.
Are your
Lordships
prepared to SaCrifiCe the Protesteset
church of Ireland with all its kindred 1 rotestatit ii.stau-
tions? Are your Lssrdships prepared to efface the Plot's-
tent chat Acta from that portion of the &tip e,to give to
Roman Cathulics that ascendancy which it is admitted
(mall hands one pasty ur the ottier must have ? To those
who view with indifference the establishment of Popery
is Leharid 1 Mast take the liberty of sal tug, that they
know not the practical effects cf that religion on tell
human mind. Withia these few years we have had,
that religion presented much to our view by the ad-
vocates of these claims ; but what is i. that they have
said for it? What line of defence have they taken?
Has it not been all estenuatiun ? All apology toe
what could not be defended? Those who have op.
posed such arguments have described the Romish
church in much harsher terms. But as 1 do not
intend, my Lords, to trouble you with a theological
discourse, I will pot enter farther into details on this
point. Suffice it to say that the Roman Catholic faith
has been described, as it is, as far from possessing that
purity of doctrine which firms the basis of Pio-
testantism. Ido not suppose that Engla..d, with its
spirit of is dependence, will ever become vassal to the
Pope. But the influence of the religion of which he is
the head could not but be highly prejudicial to her
people in the event of its acquiring an ascendancy. If
it be asked, what shall be done with Leland? I say,
be tolerant. to all religion professed in it --Climb)) eves
class of his Majesty's subjects—withhold nothing in the
spirit of monopoly that can be sat-If granteJ ; but, for
the sake of all, for the sake even of the Roman Catho-
lics themselves, lit the Constitution be Protestant in all
its essential members! Let it be Protestant in its head
—Protestant in its responsible advisers—Protestant iii
its legislation—Protestant in its Cut:unions lot educa-
tion—and, above all, Piotestant in its religious este.
blishment—(Loud cheering).
The Bishop of OXFORD rose and said—My Lords.
ever since I had a seat in this House my opinion has
been in favour of concession. and my experience since
has con6imed my opinion. In giving my support to
this Bill, 1 feel I should not be justified in giving a
silent vote; for afterwards motives which I never cotes-
tained might be assigned as the re twins. Attached as 1
am to the Protestant Constitution, I never could support,
any measure that I thought would tend to injure slat
Constitution; but 1 certainly think that the present mem
sure will strengthen it. It will be said that it is incum-,
bent upon me to prove the necessity of this measute,
I feel fully convinced of ,its necessity from the present
stater f Ireland—by the large military fence that is needs
airy to keep that country in tranquillity, and I think 1
am fully justified in this opinion by the divisions of bcth
Houses of Parliament. .I will appeal to the state of this
House. and ask a Noble Duke on the cross benches,
who certainly hat displayed a generous opposition to
the measure, whether he did not. perceive that eves;
day the public mind was mote and nture in favour us
concessions. Look to the younger Members of this House.
and to those lately called to the councilsof his Majesty.
Eves; one of them was in favour of the measure.—
Does not this, my Loads, show that pesmanent ezclw
don is impossible? All the talent and lb.: education
of the country is in favour of concession. I do not
deny that there is a strong opposition to the Bill, but 1
feel convinced that it cannot be successfully oppos
by any.busnan power; and if some Noble Lotus think
it an evil, let us put our trust in a DIINCI who can tning
good out of evil. These are not the only grounds thatl
have actuated me. In the fist p:sce, it acmes rceson-I
mended to us iA his M Speech from the throne.
Secondly, it is recommended to us by the decided de
claration in its favour by the H it Presumptive to the
throne; and eves, i.ther branch of the Royal Fam ly,
except one, is most ausious for its success. It s.
suppoited, cosi. by Noble Lords who have fought
the battles of their cs.untry, and of those mat
.enowned fur
.their ability and their learning.—
These Are circumstances which have very much.
is-
B.eisced my_inind. and I would a k what eff.ct would
be produced it the measure were successfully re sistesi