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I'ARLIAfrIIiNTARY PROCEEDINGS.

• ' OUSE OkLORM APRIL
Irgele an..Kaa. Od}a Howe, presented an
• and Allowance made by the Court of
since the ptesentatiou of the last amounts relative
thereto--vriikk were ordered to be laid an the table.
• Duke of MONTROSE (as Master of the Hone) stated
• Prince *gem was waked apes with their Ladd*.
, of yertleelhey, eddik bh Royal Highness was plush
_ graciously to maim
Revers! Private or Leal Bills were brought uy_ frost the
Cetwoodb by Mr. V. Pan" Sir J. Gnawer. M. Sew
. Wessman, and-otham and„ act Abe first thasu
The Marquis otCROL,MMIDELSY (as Lord Steward) Pr?.
Anted his !tort Illohaese die Primo Regent's ADOVIff to their
Lordships' Aden* of ginesrday• fs tits Sodas:don et certain
uses, impute; Ain &redone amid be gives seeteditsily.
me private linelsees was traesseeed, after whkb the Moue
adjourned till towetww.
ROME *1(11FONS.
Isms wieeseeskaa at the laspeltalll4
. United YingaionOn 11l and ISl7.—Oolleost
table, and to be fidslad.
se. blarneys prowled hem the India Flew" jt*
• the Resolutions oldie ors as to prodeg
4toh es e the able, to bb
WM . CURTIS presumed Petilirdirest the %Warn
Linushouse, the flak Davy.—Rods and oedema M
--d to the othnee on the Salt Less.
.MRS•SIiAW promoted a similar Padden hos the
of Fishing Vessels in Greenwich, whidi ems theiard
same way. .
.:ALC/LAFT, as Chairman of the Comminville add&
Petitions were referred, expressed a wish that iskewidellia
of men such as these Petitioners, world wad seam
number to give information to the Ortnniktot.
W. PEEL presented a Petition gm vertsisalladito_
, and others, of the City of Manche be fist farad*
abridgiNg the hours of labour In CopeskalwalieWlna.
the question that the Petition be brem.0214;...
. 110.11,NSEY said, that be did not rise tor
but to repose Ids opinion, that if Ow in Fag
this Betides was presented, .braid house,
on occasi much mischief to ManWseillters,
4 whom, it was weE knows, could, by Megrim the
number of boon that was possible. hu*y earn the
subsistence. Mt. own opinion al to the Bill had been
much changed, kems having an opportunity of examining
'he interior zrrsagements of teanufactories. Mail events,
led the Howe would take care to obtain every information
subject of such vast importance, &fore it decided upon it.
se Petition was then read, and ordered to He on the tables
r. GR.ITTAN preeented a Petition, signed by snort honest
rs of Tinblin, praying for the repeal of the Window Ten.
and ordered to lie on the table.
GRATTAN presented a similar Petition from the Car-
Millers, Dec. of the Cif), of Dublin, which was also
read, and ordered to lie on the table.
gar. Alderman ATKINS presented a Petition from Barking,
T.;ssear, against the Salt Duty.—Read, and ordered to be re.
) the Committee.
_ BENNET presented a Petition from Blackburn, in
lausenshire, in favour of the Bill for abridging the hours of I*-
-4., Cotton Mannfortories,—Ordered to he on the table.
. LTTTLETON postponed, till Tuesday next, his motion.
calative to the Order Latay issued on the subject of Pensions to
theVidiers of Officers. In the meantime he mound that there
be tali the House an Account of the number of Officers'
lowa (dlstioguishing the names and ranks of, their husbands),
received pensions, and at what rates, frogs Dec. 1816, to
-a...n.1817, and some ther Papers restive to the same subject,
is:chiding a copy of the warrant in questgan.*The motion was
to, and the papers ordered.
Costs of Suit Rill was reads socund time, and ordered
Gosuritatd to-morrow.
. PEEL presented Papers relative to the Commissariat
Peputroont, the embodied Militia, and various of the other
Departasenttin Ireland.—Ordered to lie on the table, and
printed.
e Committee on the Education of the Poor Bill was post-
al till 3101111 Y.
Ird JOHN TIiTNNE opp-..a7m1 at the El?, and informed
:louse, that her Majesty had been waited upon with the
actress of the House to her 111.tleity, on the occasion of the
:lutists of bee Royal Highness the Princess Mixabetk, and the
rice of Hesse llomboarg, to which bee Majesty returned a
'.70113 Answer.
Lord MARCH appeared at the Bar, and acquainted the
House that leer Royal' Highness the Princess Elizabeth, and
he Prime of Hesse Hombourg, had been waited upon by the
lambers appointed to present the Congratulatory Address of
1:11e, to which they returned a gracicu, answer.
W. SMITH, adverting to the proceedings of the Com-
. of last year on Extent. in Aid, observed, that much good
:sited from the ITICJ4II,III adopted by the House on that
ct. Within the last year, there had been a wonderful di-
non in the number of Extents issued. Ile now moved,
the various documents which bad been Laid before the Com-
te, be returned to the respective establishments which had
plied thens.—Ortlered.
J. P. GRANT obtained leave to bring in a Bill to regu-
a pa:ment of Workmen Wages, in the Coin of the
a. all was brought is, read a first time, and ordered
read a second time.
sr. L.VAIBTON, seeing the Noble Lord opposite in his
:e, wished to know whether that Noble Lord would think it
duty to continue the Alien Act beyond the present year? .
Lord CASTLEREAGII replied, that he intended on art
lay to submit to the House a motion for the continuance
Act alluded to.
......IMUNicATioN PROM THE DUKE Of CLARENCE.
Lord CAS'rLEREAGH rose and said, that in
-ing the Order of the Day for the House again
lying itself into a Committee on the Message of
Prince Regent, he felt that it would be desirable
him to state the object to which he wished to call
attention of the House. *fore the Report of
Committee of last night was brought up, he
:shed to state to the House, that after what had
passed yesterday—after the vote on the-proposition
which he hid felt it his duty to submit to the Com-
mittee, a proposition founded on a patient and ml-
,ate investigation by those who were best qualified
J form a correct judgment on such a subject, he
naturally felt that he should have neglected to per-
form his duty if he had not waited on his Royal
Highness the Duke of Clarence, to apprise his Royal
Highness of the view which the House took of the
subject. It would not be doing justioe to the House
-le did not state that his Rotal Highness was not,.
coming to the resolution which he had formed,
actuated by any feeling of disrespect towards the
Iloose. But after a full consideration of the subject,
Royal Highness had instructed him to submit to
Ae House the view which his Royal Highness was
disposed to take of the opinion of the House—for he
must consider the opinion of-the Committee to be the
opinion of the House. His 'Royal Highness felt,
that as the acceptance of any provision by the House
must be necessarily • accompanied by an increase of
establishment on his part, such an increase of este-
alansent could not be made by him out of the pro-
Vision which the House was disposed to grant, with-
. incurring embarrassments which it must be the
very end and object of such provisions to obviate.
Under all thesscircumstances (continued the Noble
[lor, and with these feelings and no other, his
syal Highness has authorised me to declare, that
,th much deference to the judgment of the House,
testified by the vote of last night, his Royal High.
es feels himself obliged to decline availing
_himself
the provision intended for him by this House.—
mansetion was received with loud
cries of hear,
Agar,frone DU pot: y• the Itouse.)--He (Lord
Castlereagh) thought it would be cou'renient for the

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tiouse to have this commurticatilia delivered at the
?resent stage of the business, as it would assist the
House in disposing of the Report ; for he must add,
' that it was not intended to take any additional step,
in it, as the object for which it Ira& roposed was
now to be considered as ab hear).—
He should now, therefore, prorse to prOceed to the
Order of the Day for the Committee on the Message.
Here there yas a land call from ith. Opposition to

proceed to the Report.
r Lord CASTLEREAGH said he meant now to

Plcthe Committee.
ir Order of the Day for the Committee on the
Prince Regent's Message having been read, on the
motion of Lord CASTIARSAGII, the Howe resolved
itself into the Committee.
PIOVISION TOR TH$ DIMS Of CAUSHIDOE.

When the Chairman had read the Message,
Lord CASTLEREAGH said that the part of the
Message to which he wished to call the attention of
thiCommittee, was that which related to the Mar-
;Eel his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge.
the attention a/tick the House had given to his
'led observations on the subject of a provision
for this illpstrious Member of the Royal Family, he
did not think it necessary now to occupy the time of
the House by a repetition of them. lie would merely
move the Resolution for the Grant, reserving to him-
self the right of giving any explanation or statement
which might be necessary. Ile then moved, " That
it is the opinion of this Committee that his Majesty
be enabled to grant an additional yearly sum out
the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Ireland, riot exceeding the sum of
60001. to make a snitable provision for his- Royal
Highness the Duke of Cambridge on his marriage."
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he could not help won-
doling atthe way in which the grant of this sum was
proposed. It wet dire as if it were a mere matte!
of count% Because the House had last night voted
that the provision for the Duke of Clarence should
be WOOL it seemed to be considered a matter of
course now to vote a provision to a similar amount
to any Prince or every Prince who might choose to
enterinto the married state. If no other Member of
the House would do so, he felt iohis duty as a repre-
sentative of the people of England—as one of the
guardians of the public purse, to oppose the present
motion. His objection to it was this—that the pro.
posals for these provisions were not made to the
House separately, and one by one, as the occasion on
which they were called for arose, each of them to be
justifieskon its own merits; but they were brought'
i'aA in a lump, and it was expected that tire
House should in this way give to any Prince, or to
all the Prinees who &sate. Id contract marriages, a
large and splendid increase to the provision already
'made for them. No man lamented more than him-
self the great affliction—the irreparable loss which the
nation bad sustaibed, in the interruption-of the direct
line of succession to the Throne. It was a calamity of
such a nature, that the lapse of time, instead of wear-
ing away the impression which it bad made, only
made it sink more de !ply into the mind-.4hear. heap).
He was quite sure, that if apy thing could make the
grief of the country for this calamity more poignant,
it would be the proceedings which had been lately
adopted in the general and wholesale provision which
was proposed, with the view of supplying the irre-
mediable loss which the nation had sustained—(hear,
hear, from the Opposition). It was always unplea.
sant, in a Parliamentary discussion, to be obliged to
refer to the personal character of any individual.—
But when that individual happeasei to be placed in
an exalted situation, it was so infinitelyp more un-
pleasant, that the necessity would, if possible, bt
shunned by every Member of the House. Ile should
therefore pass over all that part of the subject as
swiftly as he might—and with this remark, that the
applications which had been made to the House,
especially on behalf of the Dukeof Clarence-and the
Duke of Cumberland, would more deeply fix in the
mind of every man the veneration and attachment
which every one felt for that Illustrious Personage
now no more. It was no doubt highly expedient
that facilities should be afforded, by proper provi-
sions, for continuing the succession in the House at
present on the Throne, the direct line of that succes-
sion having been unhappily interrupted. And if it
could be made out that a marriage could not take
place without a provision for that purpose boing
made by the House, then he would agree to vote
such a provision, but he would make it the lowest
possible sum which would be sufficient to give faci-
lity to the marriage. He.was sure the House and
the Country would go along with him in that. All
would agree that it was expedient to have a Succes-
' sor to the Throne from some one of the branches of
the Royal Family. If, therefore, the icoble Lora
would assure the 031/1e that no other branch oil that
Family, except the youngest, weelikely to contract
a marriage, and that trig marriage 'could not take
place -'without a provision by the House, then he
would agree to yowl prottn for that branch of
the Family. But 4ry did Noble Lord on this
occasion pass at one* to the youngest branch ?
nil was anilluStrions Dake (the Duke of Kent)
wboet name was mentioned in the debate of last
. . •t, who stood in circumstances peculiarly favour-
• with a view to a prevision .of this kind. Not
Only was that Royal Duke distinguished by the vir-
Was of his private chattcter, but by the measures
which he had adoptecfeo relieve himself from his in-
. .bmnces. Thoscibeasures hail been last night
mentioned, otherwise he would not have thus men-
tioned them. Certainly, they never could be men-
tioned without ighest credit to his Royal 'High-
- and they deserved the consideration of the
Muse. The' eof Clarence' bad this night in-
formed the Houle, with a respectful deference to the
vote of the House, which could not be too much
praised, that he would not avail himself of the pro-
vision intended by the House, and that he would
decline the measure which was the occasion of call;
ing for the provision. Indeed it had been stated last
night by a Itight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning),
that in the marriage which his Royal Highness had
intendedto contract, he had trade -a great sacrifice
of private feeling to public duty. That repugnance,
it nowseemed, -his Royal highness had not tsiget
over. Such being the determination of the Duke of
Clarence, the question then came to be, whether the',
next Branch of the Royal Penaily entertained any
;thoeghts of contracting a marriage? Prom part of
what fell from the Noble Lord last night, it might
be iliferred that the. Modem Duke. neat SO the

Ihske-of.Clarence did entertain some such thoughts.
Mao, ashy did the Noble Lord now pass at once to
the youngest branch of the family? The meaningi
of the proposition now before the Committee, het
took to be, that it was to be considered that any one
of the foungp branches of 'the Royal Family w
might be ditpos-d to marry should be considered
entitled to a provision of 60001. .Next to the Duke
of Kent cdese die Duke of Cumberland, of whom he
would desityto say nothing. Next to him again was
the Duke of Sussex, who came before the Duke of
Cambridge, who, if possible, was, by his character
and contact" still more entitled to the consideration
of the House than the Duke of Kent, for he had
'given up nearly the whole of his income to discharge
his incembrances. In talking of this Illustrious
Duke, it was fair that the House should recollect
that he had not any of the advantages in point of in-
come which were enjoyed by all the other Members
of the Royal Family. His Royal Highness was not
a military main, and had no regiment ; whereas the
Duke of Kent had the government of Gibraltar, be.
Sides a regiment ; the Duke, of Cambridge; too, ha
' regiment, besides his being-Commander in Hano-
ver. The Puke of Sussex; too, had received his
allowance, first of 12,0001. a year, and afterwardi
18,e001. a year, later in life than the Duke of Cam-
bridge, and had never the advantage which the lat-
ter had, of living previously in a Palace and at a
public table. Ali these circumstances must he con-
sidered, in order to guide the judgitient of the House
through the mazes in which the question was in-
voked. Much praise, indeed, was due to the Duke
of Sussex, on account of what he had done ; and
viewing private economy not only as a merit, but as
a eiztae•r-as the parent of many virtues, and the
preventive of many vices—that praise would cer-
tainly not be withheld. The circumstances of the
Duke of Cambridge made it much easier for hini
to avoid contracting debts ; for he had his pro-
vision at an.earlier age than his brothers, and had
other sources of income to a large amount.—
The income which he dlrived from Hanover was
6,0001. a year, over and" above a country residence, a
shooting seat, the free use of his Majesty's plate, and
the use also of his Majesty's stables. Ile did not
now mention table expenses, for he understood the
Noble LOrd to have snared lair night, that in esti-
mating his income from Hanover at 6,0001. he inclu-
ded the emoluments derived from a free table. Thus
had this Royal Prince enjoyed an establishment truly
princely, at the- public expense. In consequence of
this he had an income of 18,000/. a•year, in fact,
ring on to accumulate. Indeed if he was not mis 7
=formed, he had been able to accumulate a large
sum, which he had now invested in the puhlic funds
in this country. Let it not, thetefoie, be thougla
harsh, when fie expressed his decided opinion that
the House ought not to be called upon to vote C,OOO/.
to -esable the Duke of Cambridge to marry. There
irate only two grounds on which he could allow that
the House ought to grant any provision fc-r that pur-
pose, namely, when the marriage itself seas desirable,
pd when, without a provision by the Hous; it could
'pot take place. If the case of any Member of the
oval Family was brought before the House, who
bras able to marry without its assistar.ce, It was their
duty to reffas2 any provision. Me therefore thought
that all these who voted last night against the' propo-
sed provision of 19,0001. for the Duke of Clarence,
avast vote agair.st th? present motion.. For how could '
thos, who voted arirst the 10,0001. last night—wito
had said that whether the Duke of Clarence could or
could not marry with a provision of 6,0001. they did
not know, they only knew' that more than 6,0001.
the House could not afford—how could they consis-
tently vote a provision of 6,0001. to the Duke of Cam•
bridge, who could marry without any provision at
all? To vote a provision under such circumstances,
would be neither more nor less than absolutely to
squander the public money, or would be paying an
expensive and idle complement to that illustrious
person. If, indeed, the NOble Lord was prepared
to prove, that without the pr d grant his Royal
Highness could not marry. Zne the House must
vote the provision. But short of this proof, he was
satisfied that no man who valued his consistency

could refuse the proposal which he WAS disposed to
make—namely, that the Committee should meet this
motion by a direct negative. SuppoSinthe provi-
sion to be necessary, he could not overlook that there
were other funds from which it ought to be supplied.
He could not overlook the Windsor Establishment,
and the establishments for the elder branches of the
Royal Fatmly. It must be suggested, that when a
provision of this-kind was necessary, those members
of the Royal :camily who had larger incomes, or
who by greater economy had been enabled to accu-
mulate large sums, s'-ould contribute, at least as far
as they were able, to furnish such a provision. When
he suggested this to the House, he was sure it would
be acknowledged that in the quarters to which he
alluded, there should he a fellow-feeling for the dis-
tresses of the people, in which they had only par-
taken by sympathy, tie members of the Royal Fa-
mily having been wisely exempted from all share in
the public burdens. It would be acknowledged that
now when the storm was happily blown over, during
which the Royal Family had been exposed to the
same risk as the people, they ought to• spew their
gratitude by applying to such purposes that which
the abundance of their supplies Well enabled them to
spare, for the benefit or relief of others. He did
not consider the mere vote of last nifht as of so
nipch importance as the broad princip e which had
influenced the House. The question now is, Whilther
they should vote an unnecessary expenditure of six
thousand pounds—whether the people should be told
that out of a compliment to a Member of the Royal
Family—a compliment idle and unnecessary—the
people were to have this additional burthen of 6,0001.
imposed upon them ? Aye, if it were only sixpence
instead of six thousand pounds, being unnecessary,
he should make the same stand against it—(Hear,'
hear,frons the Opposition).--Let it not be told that
this grant was opposed because they acted the part
of clamourers for retrenchment (for that expression
had been used to the people on a former occasion) be-
cause this vote was opposed by those who had paid
millions without a marmur—(hear, kear, hear)—
He would make no comparison as to the characters
of any of the Members of the Royal Family—the
oily comparison was as to their means. To this hr
thought every one must agree. Therefore, if 6,000/.
waslvoted to the Duke of Cambridge, his means
being iv -oreato how could the Rouse ref= 6000/.

to the Duke of estrirberlanci? tee ye,
stronger in favorer of the Duke of -Camberl
the private character of the Duke of Cune
knew nothing, and of his public character
nothing of which he, as i public man, meth
He knew him to have been a paety in a pc
gue, which, as a political individual. Le
but disapptove. Let no Member thiree
!swing for this measure he voted for the
ton of the Throne. Let no man vote age,
opinion, and against what he knows to be
of his constituents, from a notion that
otherwise injure the Royal Family.
deep-rooted, fixed, immoveable resole:l,
people of England, that they will have ee
Forehis reason it was, thee if there was as
of the conduct of the present AA:risen!:
offensive than another to the coentrv, it,
an improvident and useless granting. of
money to the Princes of the P.eval Fame
members of the Royal Farao h*ve what.,
station required, but not more. It had beer
the greatest of our poets—perhaps too be
called the greatest of our politeeens—de
ferred a Republic to a Monarchy, if for
treason than this, that " the trappings of
are enough to set up a Republic. Here
this great man was mistake e For his cr
preferred a Monarchy. with all its trappi
penses ; but on this condition oely, that
pings were cut down to the lowest possil
On a question like the present, that men
do his slaty, first to the people (for the,
cerned in.every part of the question) and
Family on the Throne, who could so et
as to conciliate these two—who could thee
line and not give one ferthieg mare—:her
Lord CAS'fLEREAGH said, he felt hi
upon by the observations of the Hont
Learned Gentleman who had just sat do,
few words, and )se would compress what
ray in the shortest possible compass. Noe:
the provocations thrown out by the Fl
Learned Geetlernan by the tone of evue
speech, be would endeavour to meet
in that temperate manner which was
every discussion, but especially where
wae such as that now before the Commit
he applied himself to the matter of th
Learned Gentleman's speech, he could n,
ling the attention of the Ihnise to that ps
which (if he bad not concluded that part
ject by saying that he would not make r:
comparisons between the Members of th
mily)e the obvious intention was to male
the vehicle of invidious reflections and in,
parions between the merebers of the Ro7
(Hear, dear, hear.) The Honourable
Gentleman set out with saving, that tit
one of great delicacy—but be bad I
through les first sentence, before be b:
nuate that ore of his objections to the p,
that it obliged him to pronounce on tb
of two mernler,... of the Royal Family—
, \Viten the Honourable and Learned Ge:
fessed to be a friend to the Royal Emil.
ber of Parliament, he (Lord Castlereage'
to believe him ; but he must say, that is th,
course calcrlated above all cthees to iro
mines of tee people a feciieg of disgust :
Royal Family, it was that which the
Learned Gentleman had pursieC.—;:,rer
lie would put it to the Hone to ciecie
be thought of the insinuations of the
Gentleman ; he would put it to them I
the Illustrious Personages in cuestion
such an occasion. The Honourable ;
Gentleman regretted that the House h
called upon to dispose of the case of a
each of the Royal Dukes, on the indr
of each case. \That was there to Free,
front. deciding each case on its individual
Was not each case distinct and separate—I
of a separate motion, and separately di:
short, it was not the fact, as had been
by the Honourable and Learned Gent
the House was called upon to decide the
lamp. No lumping or general vote ha(
posed ; therefore all the objections on
were at once dismissed. He could net
thing more humiliating to the Illustr
concerned, or more derogatory to tie
to the Royal Family, and more painful
than that the extraordinary principles
and Learned Gentleman should be
(hear, hear.) According to that prins
marriage in the Royal Family happen
sirable, from any circnmssances, with :
petuating the succession in the reignin
course to be pursued would be to sen
out that Prince who would be willingtA
lowest terms—and on the same principl
ber of the Family, however low or remcs
he was lineally or collaterally in the line
if willing to marry with a less proven
user member of the Family nearer in -
cession, the cbeapnees of the rate, the
provision which lie would agree to ise
the propinquity to the Throne, or any
stance, was to.be the ground of prff
hear, hear.) Whatever the Honourabl
Gentleman might think, or whatever
with whatever, object, be was persuad'
the House nor the country could eon
monstrous a Lrohoeition--(isear, hear.)
agreed with onourable and Learn,
that no desire was so strong in the
throughout the country as that of riff
economy, in his conscience he must '
ple of England of harbouring any pi
nomy so contemptible as that which
Learned Gentleman bad attributed to
attributing which he had passed a libel
House and on the country. The Hon.
Gentleman affected to see no morn
sal for tee Duke of Cambridge shoul,
for the Duke of Kent. Was not the Hon.
Gentleman aware that there was not
proposal for the marriage of the Duke
yet the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
because the proposal for the marriage
of Kent did not come first, therefore
indisposition en the part of the Prince
marriage of the Dube of Kent. Ni
more unfounded than this. There w:
disposing'; and the marriage of the

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