Star.
London, England, 1817-03-19 00:00:00

NhW WELCII JUDGE.

Mr. CALCRAFT moved for a new writ for Brid-
port. in the room of Mr. Serjeant Liest, who since his
election has accepted the office of one of the Judges
for Wales.

Sir S. ROMILLY observed, that the situation was
one which was equally important with that. of an
English Judge, and he was astonished they should sit
in Parliament. It was not in the gift of the Lord
Chancellor, but in the appointment .et the First Lord
of the Treasury, and of course the influence of Mr.
nisters there must be apparent. He really thought
that the House should take into its consideration
whether the two offices of Welch Judge and a Mem-
ber of Parliament were not incompatible with each
other ? He had always been friendly to Parliamen-
tary Reform, and he was of opinion that situations
like the one alluded to ought to be rendered indepcn.
dent of the ii,fluence of the Clown.

Mr. ABEKCROMIE submitted, that the practice
of inaciag Welch Judges of persons holding situa.
Lions like the Attorney General was very adverse to
the principles of the Constitution ; and he had for-
merly stated, that he feared the time would artive
when such objections might be started to appo.,it•
ments of this description. The time had in tact arri-
ved, 11 persons bad been commit:ed for trial for
offences within the County Palatine of Chester, and
the prosecutor for the Crown would in fact have the
right of trying as Chief Justice of Chester; not that
he supposed the Chief Justice would try them, bu,
the-priaciple of the objection was still the same.
' The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was happy thift
the subject had been brought before the Hot,, r ; and
he could assure the Honourable Gentle:man, that in'
no case where he was called upon to advise tur the
prosecution, had he presided as Judge: nor, indeed,'
would it be believed that he could for a morn nt think
of acting as prosecutor and Judge too. There had
been last year a trial for conspiracy, in which he sat
as Judge; but the prosecution on that occasion was
conduc:ed by the Solicitor-General, and lie had not
heard a woad of the case till it came before him on
the Bench. Indeed, he would sooner resign his si-
tuation than be supposed capable of acting in any
case in both characters.

PONSONBY observed, that his Honourable
Friend had proved, beyond all possibility of doubt,
that the two offices of Chief Justice of Chest r and
Attorney-General were incompatible with each other;
tor.the Honourable and Learned Gentleman h:msclt
had she% nit was so. In principle it was xtremely
wrong, and contr.ry to the Constitution, that any
person exercising judicial functions should he allow( d
so long to sit in that House. It no other G,:o. tletuan
would move to disable them in suture, he F.,houki
mink it his duty. to briny the subject betv;i. the. House.
the writ viat Leta ordered.

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kr. BI.OtIGHAM inqulreci by whom arteri ton
tain Proclamations were issued respecting the MIMI'
of Montevideo by the Spanish tb the' POrtUguese Go.
verhment. He was informed that this place had been
originally given up by Portugal to the Spanish Go-
vernment by a secret treaty, and subsequently re-
stored. He understood that Lord Serebford had
handed over 10,000 Portuguese troops to the Com-
.tiauder, fuily disciplined, and they were stow actu-
ally under the walls of Montevideo.

The CHANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUER.
begged to re!er the Hun. Gentleman to his Noble
Friend, who had just lett the House, for an answer
to his question.
Mr. BROUGHAM then gate notice for to-mor-
row of a motion for Papers on the subject.
The Hon. Gentleman then moved an Address for
Copies of all Papers and Proclamations issued by the
Governor of 'llinutid, reipecting the intercuarse with
&mei America, since J inuar•p I, 1814.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
repeated his wish that this motion should he deferred
till his Noblr? Friend was present.
Mr. PONSONBY said, Vi it the lbjert, of all
others the nt,sr. interesting, was that of S..oth Ame-
rica.. He wislitd t,) know w!letllcr ner Government
had interfered with the A et.nricirt Government in re-
spect to the int,:course Uetwkett the Americans and
South AITInIC.I.

The CHANCELLOR of die EXCHEQUER
again wished t iei the question should be deferred.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY defended the character of
the Governor ; and, after some further observations,
the Address was carried.

LOTTEIt I F.S.
Mr. LYTTELTON rose, in pursuance of his no..
tice, to call the attention of the House to the (hinge-
roils, immoral, and fraudulent mode of raising money
upon the people by way of Lotteries. It was neces=
sary, no doubt, that money should be raised to sup.
port the expenses of the State; but the utmost jea-
lonsy shoeld be entertained by the people, and parti.
cularly by those who represented them in that House,
that no taxes should be imposed that could be avoi&
ed—(hear) r and more especially, that no mode of
taxation should be adopted which would lead to the
destruction of the morals of the community—(Hear,
hear). Amongst the different expedients that were
resorted to for raising money, it was said, that the
Lottery was the only one to which the people char-
fully assented, because it was a voluntary, and not a
compulsory tax : but what had the two Committees,
who were appointed at different periods to inquire
into the consegnences of this species of taxation,
reported to the House? They had stated, that this
' system was radically vicious ; that it was as im.
provident as it was immoral; and, in the last place,
that the manner of raising the money was, on all
accounts, objectionable--( Year, Hear, hear).
He held in his hand a Report, stating the gross
amlaunt of the revenue ; and the whole sun, derived
from this source, nn an average ct the last five years,
did not etccad £550,000. This st:m co.a more in
collecting that it brought into the Exchequer. The
Scheme of the Lottery now about to be drawn had
been published in the I.cnelon Gazette. nits made
the sixth Lottery witt in twelve months(Hear,
hear.)-zAnd if the it•ght Enn. Gentleman slid ac-
tually set his sign ,cure to that Scheme, it he had really
been guilty of that gross impostere and deception cin
the rubtic %%thief,' the Scheme disclosed, he ltdiew net
in what Parliamentary terms he vault' sufficiently re.
probate his conduct—( Near, hear.) He ousted, how.
ever, that the exposure of this traudultnt Scheme
would have some effect on the public, if it had none
on the virtuous mind of the Right Hon. Gentleman—.
(A lauch.)—A total was made out of *2'20,000 is
Prizes ; but in fact, taking Consols at 70, the real
value would be only rEIOB,OOO. The chance of any
great prize was about 71 to 1. Whoever read the
first statement which the Contractors published, Would
suppose there was an amazing gain to be derived
born it : but the public were completely deceived.
There were great numbers of very ignorant and illi-
terate people in the country; who might be induced
to part with their money in thiS Scheme ; but as they
::ere not aware that the Contractors published their
supplements/ plan in the Gazette, -they were trnable to
form any opinion as to the fully and niadnets of riskiug
their hard-earned wages in this abominable speculation.
The Right Honourable Gentleman had taken some
pains in promoting Religious Societies—he had at-
tended Bible Meetings, and made some eloquent
speeches on Religion and Morality—he had professed
the most lively interest for the comforts of the poor
but what did all this amount to ? What would the
House of Commons think ? What could the people
think, what could the Right Himourabte Gentleman
himself think, of these gambling >pecuiationa ? Did
these fraudulent schemes accord wit!: his pure notions
of morality e- 1,, them nde
of drawing the Lottery, ncthiog'could be more mis.
chievons than cr employ boys who belonged to one
of our noblest establishments, and aho were thus
brought up in the habits of gambling. Tile I.ottery,
too, had been sometimes drawn by ttigi,t ; the person;
appointed by Government as :iispectint, having pre-
. viously received an excellent dinner at the expense of
the Contraetom.by, which they were reduced to a
state very little short of beastly Jrunkennk.— (Hear,
hear).—He asked the Right Honourable Gentleman
hoe he could reconcile it to his conscience 'as a
Chr;stian, and a Chancelhr of the Exchequer, to
rail..., money in such a Manner ?—(Hear,
As to the argument used, :hat from the very high
price rata sixteenth, it was out of the reach Of a poor
man's purse ; it was clear that a poor man might
scrare up sufficient, and the desire of doing this, and
making tip a given star, often led to pilfering and
theft. But it the argument that the poor min, irdm
his eircin.taaces could ldin a not
timepur of suchchaseat
d stressickt, t‘'ez
worthh re
t pasielnytt,li si:egre w
emissaries for the sale ta tickets,
and enticements of every description, :read all over
the country ? The effect of such measures was, in
the end, to bring many to the parish wins woillA
otherwise have supported themselves; and thus to in.
crease the burdens of the country in the shape of
poor: rates. The Lori Mayor, a most active and
discerning magistrate, had informed 'tint (Mr. Lyt,
tleton) that the evil aas iticie• sing. His • authority
could not be received other wise than with the greatest
attention, especially as the City e" bad**.
;itioned strbygly and tananintoosly against the sys.:
wm—(Hear, four.) He was aware that the neceisity
,-1 the mea4 t; e crest or R.:minor,. would be

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moat jes-
and parti.
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be avoid-
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and not a
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to inquire
taxation,
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last place,
as, on all
the gross
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re derived
deceived.
it and
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rut as they
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of risking
seculatioa.
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he had at-
. eloquent
I professed
the poor
would the
the people
;entleman
Did
ire notions
the mode
more mis.
!-ied to one
were thus
ic Lottery,
:re pet sons •
dying pre_
expense of
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. (Hear,
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very high
of a poor
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Mr. Lyt..
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frped ; but he feared that a certain degree of pair°.
sage formed one of the motives for its support.--
In England. the}, were four places of 1500 a-year
each attached to this ilistitution, five of A 350, one of
113(M1,^ne of ‘1%); twenty.nne of as2oo. six of £lOO
to 4150; astd h. 4 had no hesitation in saying, that
these places were altogether sinecures. In Ireland,
t•:ere wa, the First Cwriroissioner, Sir A. Alexander,
at £j:);) A year, four other (-"' entnissioners at A• 200,
two cf., tiSr avel Commissionets at seloo, two Comp-
trolh t A' £1(),), num St imp Compirchrr at £142,
two Clerks at g‘; s, two at £5O. There was Mr.
T ompson, who had been an absentee sixteen years,
rcseved rt.:so a-year ; in fact, no Lotteries had been
dram) in Ireiend far sixteen years. However, there
needed oh:1 this adtlitivual argument—the system was
radically ; and he felt convinced. that sf he could
be instrummtal iu suppressing the nuisance, he should
be doing A service to the couotry—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Itwa, tore, that money must be found for the ne-
cessities, of the State. but he thought the 11500,000
now raised by way of lotteries might be taken out of
the pockets of the people honestly, and without de..
option ; and sure he was, that the State could never
he saved by crooked means. (Hear, hear.) He,
. erefore,ltegged to submit to the House Resolutions.
beady the same as those he had offered last year, Mit
a little softened down in the expression :—lst. That
by the system of State Lotteries, a spirit of gambling
was promoted destructive to the morals of the people,
and detrimental to the revenue of the country.-2d.
That this House will no longer authorize the existence
ot State Lotteries.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
trusted the House would consider most seriously
before it gave tip any part of the revenue of the
country, at a t me so precarious as the present. With
respect to the system of Lotteries being unlawful and
immoral, unless all garoes.of chance were held to be
so, he could not see how Lotteries could be so consi-
dered; and he believed the severest muralist had
mane carried his speculations so far. A man might
tied (it he were determined on it) a great many ways
to ruin himself without having recourse to the Lot-
tery. Every precaution had been taken by the Go-
vernment to diminish the temptations to gambling
and insurances in the Lottery ; and by raring the
price of tickets to prevent the lower orders from em.
b.:rking in the Lotteries. Every endeavour had been
used to abolish Little Goes ; and. inJeed, every
species of gamble% connected with the Lotteries.—
The late Mr. Perceval had considerably reduced the
number of persons in the L awry department e and it
would not be advisable to reduce the Commissioners
of the Lottery any farther. As to the scruples of the
City of London with respect to Lotteries, they had
only seized the City lately ; for it is not many years
ago that the City got an Act of Parliament ror a
Lottery of its own, of which the principal prize was'
a house valued at £20,0(10, and he had been told
that house K AS sold with difficulty for X7OOO. "
Sir S. ROAHLLY thought the facts which had
formerly been laid before him, must :hew sufficiently
to the Chancellor of the Exchequer that it was high
time to follow the exanole of the City of Londou,
and abandon Lotteries altogether. He agreed that
this was not a time to give up any considerable part
of our revenue ; but it was not a time also faar us to
give up any part of the morals of the people. The
revenue was nevertheless injured by the number of
persons who were reduced to parochial relief by the
evil of gambling in the Lotteries. So frequent were
Lotteries now, that, to use the words of a Contrac-
tor. the public was not recovered from one Lottery
before *nether was drawn."--It the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had attended to the Report of a former Com-
mittee, he would have seen, that at the time of the
drawing of the Lotteries, the trades that supplied the
necessaries of life were nearly at a stand—the only
trade that flourishes' was the pawnbroker. He read
several Lottery Advertisements. 'hewing tl:e allure-
ments held out to industrious boys, to induce them
to embark in the destructive gambling system ot the
Lotteries. These Lottery people selected the most
bout et and industrious pet sons among whom to spread
their poison. It seemed to him an utter incongruity,
Mew the Right Hon. Gentleman could one day pre-
side at a Bible Society. and the next at ei meeting of
Lottery Contractors. If the Right Hon. Gentleman
could go into the wore-hoses, prisons, and mad-
houses, to see the persons now distressed and ago-
nised by the proved consequences of the Lottery, be
did not believe that he mod still persevere in them ;
much less would he cast a sneer at the City of Lon
-don for having recently given up Lotteries. (Hear.)
Mr. .1. WARD thought we could not at present
spare S or A 600,000 a year without occasioning more
evils than those which arose tram the Lotteries. At
the same dine, the Lottery system was a shameful'
system, liable to destroy all iniustry, forethought
aed morality. He thought the abolition of Lotteries'
was a boon due to the Lnglith nation, as soon as we
had a return of prosperity so that it should not hurt
the revenue..
Mr. WII.BERFORCE thought it very strange
that the last speaker should have admitted that Lot-
teries destroyed religious and moral feelings; and yet
maintain that they should .be kept up to raise 500
tnousand rends a-year for the service of the State.
There .was no other species of vice or immorality
which might not be defended on a similar principle.
It was infinitely better to encourage the people to
lay up a gradual. provision for old age in the Saving
Bank:4o9u to hold out a false hope of sudden wealth
to be derived from the Lottery.
Lord CASTLEREAGH should have felt great
satislaction, if they could have given up this Tax with
justice to the larger interests of the State. The mo.
dente use of Lotteries, like that of intoxicating spi-
rits, would be voductive of 'no evil; it was only the
inordinate use of them that was • pernicious. He
wished to know, if the Honourable Gentleman who
bad objected to Lotteries as a source of revenue,
would agree to any new 'Fax to be imposed for the
purpose of repairing the evil to be incurred by the
abolition of tins branch of finance. Being convinced
that we could not spare this part of our revenue, he
shoold move the previous question on the Resat.'
lotions of the Honourable Gentleman.
Lord A. HAMILTON thought the evils arising
fr sis the Lottery system had been sufficiently abeam
fruwt the other side attic House to create as
abhorreoce against tltf continuance of this tax.
He thought the Noble Lord and his colleaguelought
to tee} auasideraole hurnihation at having reduced

themselves to raise £500,000 a-rear out of the vices,
and at the expense of the character of the people.
Mr. B. MORELAND said, that the mischiefs
arising from 'Lotteries were much greater in Paris
than they ever acre in this country. A Lite travel-
ler in France had asserted, that Lotteries produced
ono hundred suicides a-year in Paris. In country
villages and towns, while the Clerk of the Peace was
reading the King's Proclamation asminst immorality
and gaming out of doors, his Majesty's Postmaster of
the place was exciting the people to gamlng by sellins
shares of tickets in the Lottery.
Mr. THOfsIPSON sheered, from the evidence of
Mr. Dish, the great evils arising from the lowest or.
dens of the people dealing in the Lottery, which, he
maintained, WAS a perfect cheat on the public. Ser-
vants and Merchants' Clerks had frequently taken
their masters' property to enable them to embark in
the Lottery.

Mr. LyTlLErotsl, in reply, contended, that the whole sys-
tem of the I.o:tery was contrary to sound principle and policy.
At this time of public distress, it was par.icultrly unjust to cheat
the King's subjects out of their money ; and the manner in which
that was dome kd to the destruction of public murals, which
always constituted a great part of the strength of every country.
" if {said lie) you want to raise money, do it rather by borrow-
ing' n you have doom before, than by swindling."
• The House tben divided—For the original motion 76—Against
it 73—Majority 47.
Mr. LUSHINGTON brutight up the Report of the Ordnance
Estimates in Supply, which was agreed to.—Also the Report of
the Cummittte, returnmending the extrusion of the Eau India
Aet to Malta and Gibraltar, which wail agreed to, and a
Bill ordered to be brought in.
Mr. ARISLITHNOT brought up an account of the vtablish-
meat of the Part-rdike, as far as it related to the emoluments of
Clerks. • Laid on the table and ordered to he printed..
•I lie Naval Stores Bill wits teported, and ordered to be read a
ithird tinse to-morrow.

The bitten of the Madhouses Bill was agreed to, and the Bill
ordered to be read a third emu- on I huriday neat.
1 be bill to amend the lush ►'ease Preservation Act was read
a Brat time, and ordered to be reed a second time on Monday.
bar S. ROMILLY moved the second reading of the Gagne Pre-
servation hull, which Mr. Bankes wished should be pnt off tall
Thursday, on which die House divided, sad there being only 31
Members present, the Hou+e atijouated.

zvtAING STAR.

LONDON.

WEDNESDAY. MARCH 19. 1817.
NOCE OF S I'OCKN THIS DAY Al' 'MEIN 1 O'CLOCK a
Reduced shut—Cons. money, 701—for Ace. 7o;
4 per Cent. slant--5 per Cent. Navy. 9915
Escheguar B Ils Ins. pr.—lodia bop& SI pr.

Lord HoLLAND'S Motion respecting BONAPARTS,
was last night negatived in the House of Peers tab-
out a division. Earl BATHURST denied—and none
who attends to the debate will question his statement
.—that any unnecessary severity was exercised to-
wards BoNAPARTZ. There is no other restraint upon
his correspondence but what is universal respecting
prisoners in such circumstances—the letters must be
opened. The sum allowed for his establishment is
equal to that allowed for the Governor, £12,000
a-year ; and he has, besides, personal property which
he may expend for his own comfort. it he find that
allowance too little. The inconvenieucies of which
he complains are of his own creation. For instance,
he a ould have no house built for him, because, before
it could be finished some change [another revolution]
would call him back to Europe.

A respectable Meeting took place yesterday at the
City of London Tavern, to consider of the best
means for protecting the occupiers of Shops, Coun-
ttng-houscs, and Ware-houses with Counting-flumes
attached, from the taxes payable on dwelling.houses
and windows, and which some Collectors now attempt
to levy. It has been determined by the Barons ot
Exchequer in Scotland such Shops and Ware-houses
I are not liable ; and, from some communications had
with the CHANCELLOR of the Excites:watt it was un.
derstood that the practice in England would be con-
formed to the foregoing clecisiJo ; but a Bill, it is
understood, was in preparation, which it is thougl.t
may embrace some new enactments which, instead
of relieving Trade, will subject every Courting-
house, and, consequently every Warehouse where a
porter notes down the parcels which he takes out or
receives, to the payment of heavy impositions, and
it was deemed necessary that the progress ot this
Bill should be watched.

Mr. MAWMAN, Who was its the Chair, stated the
object of the Meeting, and certain Resolutions were
adopted, for which we refer our Readers to the Ad-
vertisement in our front pige.

We are sorry to learn, _that Lord Enter is dan-
gerously ill. His complaint is an inflammatirn on
the chest. The Earl of SErron left town on Monday
morning tot Whittlepcou; t, on a visit to his Lordship.
Mr. rIBREET is considerably recovered from his
severe indisposition.
Incitation's FAEIWZLL...-.—This truly National
Singer, after 30 yenrs service devoted to the enter-
tainment of the Pubhe, takrs his final leave of the
British Stage on Monday next. The Opera House
is kindly opened to the favourite veteran so make
his bow to an English audience. The entire strength
of both Theatres have come forward with an ala-
crity highly praise-worthy, and in this they h.ive
only imitated the disinterested conduct of Mr. biece-
DON himself, who, during the long course of his
professional career, has been foremost to give his
powerful and gratuitous aid whenever a didressed
object has required it. The delightful Opera 01 Love
is a rills:, is to be performed in a manner quite un-
precedented. Euarrou comes fuewerd to pourtray
Sir Charles Raeki, in the Farce of !Ares 11 eels after
Marriase, after a two years' absence from the bin-
.don boidds ; and Mist STEPHENS (who is its herself a
host), sings some of her most favourite airs. In short,
it is a contention among the most eminent of the pro-
Easing', wlidcan do most to serve their old associate,
Still one of sweetest melodists of the
age. The Patios Randy has most graciously given
Wm the use of his bon; and the Princess CHARLOTTE
has intimated bet intention to patronize his farewell

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