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THE FA.RLIAMENTARY PROCEEDIittk. 4:" 'lie' .!-Tll-.4.11,
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ma. After some private and routine business was trabeffillikikt;; . i.%Oenesit *el irertation owlet ; • , • ewe sillibne than to one- •• A „tee- I i have Some conversation took place on the subject 'of the
Mattufactories' Bill, between Lord Kermit and the Earls ad i al ... bubo eXeChereaL *us sPieucknili '.•
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l° be- LactscereLz and Liezaroot, in consequence of the firet-rneee !In' er n 7 litlnfrc...l '.t4l e ' r 'T.. 111114). . - ril. ""H"' °F ei3kie jido4o-11 Inaltirtltlen * . I
'their tioned Peer inquiring whether there would be any objection to r.V. • - 14..f1e1°1-•laed Fir: .. ill; lute . • lute anbtaoffollither, ,•
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an early second reading of the Bill; and seggebeleg alaideil tsar Iti4 '.•
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~., ed big Roy ighossesee : , r.ffirin . f.iseefvfm•ea!t immaie, t. 4.
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jeo.„ the discussion of its merits may very welt,eilie Owlets.
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e ,:. Jude, haa.rielded nee ac —. to :Of et ettnibeetatellefkiratizity came to be 1 '
"7 Commit tee.
des of The Earl of LAUDERDALE observe4diglgWieitgi. CrTrns PrnCeeinfbct 6nl_,!-PliPc. I_,. Pie; : -,' ' e• . filha;; ihe lamina "es.' or iteceetity ready k :
',CIL to him to be chiefly questionable lis the nieuere, wee o and liraPPA n 4 11h#P1114°..a.
ee ...eel - PIMA it 'bitty Nitride...ink the isecessiii ex- 11 . . vision for reguladng the number °f lour; for laboar
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~.n, may be beyond what perhaps in maw eases ialeveritis wield std l hi"- pfef* mod malt
L'____ be capal,l« of maintaining ; this seamed to go tae' a principle I,..ifidFrJ *,,j: -. • . - • • let aDlNVllhistrioits- #erioirAges came to' be
n 3• which be could itot bat regard arid point out as aft Mummers '':,,,,,,, „„__ newrilaPer. t!Pensi In! llukiegi'lleill 4irve estalishmentf respectivelf to li I ,
in a Bill of the kind, whenever it should gore eager dISRIII4OII. ' cOaill nos' l'aeraidleve ..• of these =atoned flrCha Olt& the aMkescyArrbecame pnapo •rdon-
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had no objections' to the arrangearobt roamed by the liihrlipirleTilEitingo, *as. ri ' ' that no map, up reimmr.. .The,e 'wirctimstences dicluld . i I
or the Noble Lord. ;without just canto, ~ live taellenguaett fitly mania hnosiseinaßlaintiolirdiecomparatieely r.,
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ill to The Earl of LIVERPOOL mild meowed zeneatelee•lesee attributed to some.
merit a point which fell from the Noble Earl, and willeseemed eon- selftto C . let Vffo.llP9kele ll* is seiskni Ow tem% for the doe
netted with the principle of the Bill In radon pada., he would leave to de Willeitions Aatipown miodei 1001110milii4f lied dignity were
Par. adverted to did not go to revaLite the dire Of lamer Yee the his ihillitaiika, will& hiemald neither quifoor Fart , jpieleattlienie 1
murex divlduals geoerally, but merely that of peewee Wader a
Itti it!. 711 what he's:4 be beg ilid4O 6iirni* vuir4sibp • teiStedlikinionse would be tN.
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nn cite acciadAKAis Daman& In years oid. It was e prhitapleZelle as not wishing to cast reflecoons any where: tionviticatitha '- ' liiiiikted; and in etch
t no mew (hats what waressentially ne-
•Coinmon Law at this moment, that children should not be ereer•
and be trusted theirleordships would give him cre- emery Bar these important objects had been applied I'l e •
worked. With regard to free labour, he was as adverse to my
stains, sped& interference therewith as any man could be; but children dit for not wishing to hurt dae feelings of any one, for Off granted of late years. Ile would trouble their
were net held as free agents ; the proposed regulation in Nee Bill, still less of a wish to promote discord or dissection. Lordships with no further observations, but move 1 n ;
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is and was, therefore, be thought both proper and justifiable. He could not accuse himself of any motive of the that the Bill for settling the Additional Annuity on
The Karl of LAUDERDALE agreed in the principle that
children ought not to be overworked; butle observed, that to
.kind; his genuine inclination was, instead of wound- his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge be read
hus.. _.inning the work done, and the time to be devoted to it, were mg. to endeavour to heal ; and especially upon every the third time—The Hill was then read and' bed, '
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two wry different things. occasion connected with the principle of domestic mg moms of csiimbes.tand., Jointure Eat was AO rdad isle i"i
Wed • The Bill was ordered for a second reading tO4OO/7011. happiness--(hear hem* third time and passed. •
there, ROYAL ANNUITY BILLS. Lord HOLLAND did not intend to trouble their The blesier importing their Lordship' emseurrenee in these
to..the Commons, was sent il two of the Lamed .ietimes,
DUKE AND DUCHESS OP CUMBERLAND. •
bring , Lordships with many words. He approved, as he Bills.. 1: t 1 i
The Earl of LIVERPOOL having moved the Or- VIZ, Chief Baron RICHARJI6, and Air • lUttiell OUIIIIIIW GM, al If
ng en- mast naturally do, of much which his Noble Friend the established etiquette with respect to ali Bre relatine per-
der of the Day for the third reading of the above 1 ; I •
or on was accustomed to advance ; but he must, with all away to the Royal iraintir.
Bills, and upon which their Lordships were sum-
andhis deference to that Noble Friend, prefer the old The Loan Bill was also readabeasiire time iresd.pamed.
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maned, which being read,l
them- constitutional system, as recognised in the Marriage
dies 1,4 e Great Seel Parte". 111% and the J'il Challis.' Sala-
The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, and moved es BM, passed through Committees of the whole House, and i
id At- Act, as that which was best calculated to save Par- we
reported. • - . .
that the Clerk do read forthwith, the Message from liament' •
ey are from inconvenience. The object of the an- The remaining Bills upon the toile weep then forwarded In I
the Crown, out of which those measures had arisen,
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their cient system was to seeure splendour to die Thione ; their respective waeri, and the- Hosed adjoetned.
and also their Lordships' Address in answer to the
rc the but when he looked to the sums already voted, and FIOUSE OF COMMONS, .;, \' •
.. said Message.
Mr. LOCKHART insetted a Petition from the City of
which appeared to him quite adequate to the object •I : Both these entries on the Journals were aetord-
of hit of them, he could not refrain from suggeating, that, Oxford, praying •Iseell.BloBlllC le the Shseehers4 en'l•Pollare
ingly read by the Clerk, and the Noble Minister hav- Act, and that theyo:2lll*, rimer frim
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things
iiig moved the third reading of the Duke of, any new provisions for the Royal Family ought bet-
stalls in occu itrilier
.rtiettr:ed,pmi red i II \
Ifficersvriat ter to be supplied out of the funds ilereaely fum ished. to ite• on. placesa -
bridge's Annuity Bill,
e 20th 'rhe Earl of LAUDERDALE strain, rose and. said, One million, at least, had been applied for the main- Mr. WODEHOUSII panillieil•ii Peritieffliticisetrtimittr
arrant that the records which their Lor Lyjust dslf shad heard tenance of the Royal dignity. He should say nothing from the Shopkeepers of- Her; mid other MAW in Norfolk,
of the Droits of Admiralty—. • which was likewise ordered to gum the table, and be printed. -4,
r, and read, must bring to their recollection that a princi-Mr. LOCKHART moved for Accounts c•(, the numbee of t
ear the " Besides what the grim wolf, with privy paw,
of his pie appeared on the face of both, declaring that the • Ram* of String*Tteer bet Wed within the last three years,:to
Nightly devours apace, and nethiat said ; the sth of July, illl7, 'Whits the limits of the Chief Mee of
required provision was intended, not merely for one But that tw ed engine it the door , Excise. distinguishing the names of the IiftWIITS, sad the re-
dator or two individuals of the Royal Family, but for such Stands ready to smite owe, and smite no more!"sointed spectivelasmildes brewed by each..—Ordered.
of the Members of that Illustrious Family generally, ,He thought a million quite enough fo'r the purpose The Liverpool Gas Lied Bill was read a .3cl time and jitney!. • -.
in the at may marry with the consent of the Crown. This of maintaining the proper splendour of the Crown. Sir H. PA RNKLI. obtained heave to briug in aNU cd'amend i
In Act consent was vested by the Constitution in the Crown, He must, however, advert to the conduct of the theVic4iThead Road Aet. ,• •
sir Re- and
it was further confirmed by a positive Act of Noble Earl opposite (Liverpool), and to the state- ..ie:.. hi_ meow and Carlisle; Roots eia was rem a second rime.
Ulan Manufacturers Bill was read a @mond time. and , i,
" it is Parliament, which legislative regulation, if it were meets and arguments which he had presented to the committed for Wednesday next.
if any deemed faulty, the only proper or regular way to House upon the first occasion of his introducing the The Mock Auctions' .7.1i1l was ordeted to Ilie•:reiti i raped
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receive rectify was to move for in repeal. But Parliament measure of provision for the Royal person refer- "eon ' end" te'llnieht"
und -,...,,. The Coaciase.Coosolidatian Bill wee ordered foe ffiithereor.- e V
bulbs swerved from, its duty if it made the grant of tich red to in the Bill, A latitude was ( -.. sideratlon CID Wednalley next. 1 ''4
• are provisions a matter of favour, or proceeded to with- option proposed. It was said, if one thousand pounds mr. LUSHINGTON, in the absence of his Noble Frlc-1
renew, hold it from motives of dislike. They acted against were proposed, it must be a question between accept- (Lerd Canterearh), postponed the second reading of the A 'a. o
desire, a salutary constitutional principle if they withheld a ing the money and pocketing the affront. He cer. WI, which stood for to morrow, (this day), to Friday next.
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that if grant of the kind on account of any particular pre. tatnly so far agreed with his Noble Friend (Lord • BANK FORGERIES. ., 'I
to re- judice that might be conceived or entertained ; and Lauderdale) that any thing like a canvas would Mr. CANNING presented a Petition from Liver-
s.motes complainingin arrulatron. oHe remarked, that the
of the greet number of toreed
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fi shall equally so if they prooeeded to augment such presto utterly improper and unconstitutional. But he never Pon:
act, at sion on account of any particular feeling of favour to liked that principle of the Marriage Act, .respecting;
Omit:-
Ile pay. the individual. It was the bounden duty.of Pattie- consent or refusal on the part of the Crown ; but t people of the *hole county 'of ;Lancaster were parti-
eeioing meat in such cases to consider the abstract question was to be recollected that whatever choice theCrown;l
cularly interested in some means being devised to k
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e is to aloae, viz.—What was a fit provision for a Member might make, it was left with the Commons to decide
render forgeries more difficult, as nearly their whole ;• .
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Bee in of the Royal Family, so circumstanced, to support whether the money was to be furnished or nix. His
circulating medium was in small notes of the Bank
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71ifYiDS the rank and dignity of whatever illustrious indivi- objection was not directed to the amount of the 'pro- of England—r Hear, hear, hear.)
hat the dual may be in question ?If it suffered a principle vision proposed as to the principle, and to state his General GASCOIGNE stated that the meeting at
paying either of favouritism on the one hand, or of dislike opinion that the provision should be supplied from which the Petition was passed, was extremely 're- 1 .. 1
s above t'r on the other, to pervade or influence its decision, it funds already provided. It was really surprising to
spectable, and though there might be some diffe- ' r
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would not only swerve from its Constitutional duty, consider the amount of income assigned to the Crown rence on minor points, there was none as to the ne-
of the but iu a manner tend to establish a principle or sys- for objects of mere splendour. cessity of some remedy being provided for this enor-
mous evil—(hear, hear.)—The people of Lancashire
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tern of a species of individual canvassing—(hear).— The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that it was im-
had indulged a hope, that the Bank would take up i i
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re enn- On viewing the Bills before their Lordships, he could possible, after what had fallen from the Noble Lord,
this subject in earnest ;..but after waiting four years, ; ilic
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f.A. not help remarking, that an Illustrious Person to be he could refrain from making a few observations. It
they had been most miserably diseppointeJ. From ; I
affected by one of them, had married with the con- was true, as had been stated by the Noble Earl, that t di
Dual Va-• the severe manner in which prosecutions were con-
sent of the Crown. In that case, he held beyond dis. as the Constitution had vested the consent to mar-
ducted by the Bank, thepeople were absolutely afraid . ,
acre—
memo Putt, that the proper mode would' have been to have riage with the Crown, it had also vested-the question
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7rederie judged abstractedly, and to have extended the provi- of the provision in the jurisdiction of Parliament ; to submit their notes for examinat n, knowing, as
they did, how difficult it was to distinguish the good ~. , ) 1
-Nato- sion as proposed. But it. would appear that in ano- but in cases where Parliament was recurred to for a
Barrett ther place other principles prevailed, and that either provision for several Members of the Royal Family, from the bad. They had therefore preferred to con-
tinue the circulation of these notes, rather thee avail .1 1 dotes—
hon a der •e of favouritism, or (what was equally ob- and when such provision was afforded to one or two
themselves of the notice of the Bank, to pay all their .
cue, on noxious), ano pposite consideration, teemed to in- individuals, and refused to another, it was to be re-
notes off that were dated in 1816. They were in r
, parts of fluence the decision. But so far as the particular garded as an act of reflection upon such individeal.
fact afraid that their notes might be ;topped as for- A
measure to which he then alhided went, he had no He would not say that Parliament may nut do this
genes, and themselves subjected' to se-domino] pso-
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objection to say he thought it was properly decided. if it thought proper, but he could not help deeming
etc., With respect to his Royal Highness the Duke of of its effect, in concurrence with the Noble Earl, as secution—(hear, hear.)
UAR; Cumberland, against whom, as a private man, no to the opinion it was supposed to entertain of the in-
Mr. J. SMITH defended the Bank from the charge
imputation stood in this country—nor as a public dividual respecting whom it so decided. lie also to severity, in the mode of their prosecutibtis. TEe
man, though of the latter he could perhaps say, no agreed with the Noble Earl that the decision of Par- Directors were not to.be reflected upon, because their •f ..1
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. political man was more hostile to him (Lord Lauder. liament should proceed upon a principle abstracted legal agents enforced the laws which were made for - .
the protection of property. ,
rPhaleic dale) than that Illustrious Person lee • yet such a from considerations of individual feeling, but with
.—Lb • lidr. MANNING maintained, that the Bank was
issuing consideration should not in his mind prove disadvan- a view solely to what was a fit provision for the illus-
not responsible for the mischief atising.from the for. ,tt'l li I
Hs, mss- tageous to him. So far from that, he felt that in such trious individual in his relative situation. On that
of their notes. He wished that; there were i
f White a case it should operate rather as a recommendation. point he entirely concurred with the Noble Earl. Eery_
because it
Lancashirein who issued :heir own notes,
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firleereNin —Nothing had been surmised against the character With respect to the assertion of the Noble Lord (Hol-
because it might, some measure, suppress the evil,
*sem:: of that illustrious personage which in his mind on ht land), that his conduct tended to place the House in
or, at least, it would give less opportur.ity of reflect_ -
to have rendered him an exception from that provi- a very awkward state, Le ousted their Lordships ge-
ing upon the Bank direction. Several netices had • ' •
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•oodon• sion which the Commons had sent up for their con- nerally would do him the justice to think, that in- . .
been given by the Bank of their readiness to pay in
currence in the case of the Duke of Cambridge, for this case, as in all others, he had acted by them
specie ; but the public did not seem dispcsed to take i i 1 I
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—. the due mainter.ance of his rank and dignity as a fairly, openly, and candidly-4.mi., hear).—He hail
of a choice, as far as the Bank could give it,
advantage. of that offer ; and, havinglad the "pot_ li
member of the Royal Family, and one who had mar- unreservedly stated his own opinion, what, under allt'
ly the rigid with the consent of the Crown—(hear, hear).— the circumstances of tilt case, would be a suitable tunity
queeljen. he thought these. repeated attacks were unfair to- ! 1
'stir by With respect to the reports which had prevailed that provision for the illustrious personages in
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is Notes, the marriage of his Royal Highness was not approv- It was oue, that in another place a provision to such wards that estahlishmett.
The Petition was laicl'on the Table. • it.
report of ed of, he had the good fortune to see, from one of an amount had been refused. to their decitlon it
Mr. CANNDKI, in inoving..that, the Petition be - '4.4hies the Bills at least, that such prejudice had in a great was to be-submitted, and he regretted, On more acp. ~ `i 1
-..ohnies printed, whiled to observe, m • ariree•• • "
nourable Bank DireCtor, that. the. petyle of Live:- .
Edition' degree subsided, and that the character cf the illus. counts than one, the decision which had been made i, . - ' •to the Ho- : ‘..
pool,' and the whole Coune had strong- grnunes for
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' trious personage to whom he now alluded, by being' not however, so much in reference to the illustrious',
tie.; but better known, was the better liked. Still, however, individuals in question, as he did tin public.grounds,
an increased security agaiast forgeries.-- '!• :.
£et; te- be recollected, that they were small eotes ,
the lives his objection remained, that the Duke of Cumberland and on public principles, because the decision did not Pressing
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;entree had been deprived of what should have been confer-. appear to rest upon principles which ought to inilto
whit% were mostly forgedfact, as circu. . • ' , '',.
that can red upon him, without an man having assigned any ence it. With respect to the Noble leord's poiated
lated mostly among ate lower clasees. Now, sup..
one reason for so depriving him. This conduct and objection to these provisions being taken from the
i,,li°°; re- decision was like putting a stigma upon that iliustri- Consolidated Fund, he had a few words to offer. pose a person became possessed of rive or six small
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SPedk. our person, without assigning a reason to stigmatize Their Lordships 'were aware that in the present reign notes, there would be but little inducement • foo
, 1,2,w of a character as honourable as that of any other per- the Crown stood in a very different predicament with
him to fend them up to be paid off in cash,' %hest. i
ten at,•. .
of every sonage in the country ; but if 'a real ground for respect to its revenues, fronfielutt'it did in forhief 'to one, they might be 'declared for be
k—.(hear, hear, hear.)—Me hoped that no drat ,
nos to us stigma did exist (which it did-not), he raw not how reigns. Before the present, there was* no maxithiim 15°n . . .. c e
would be wanting to-make the crime Of forgery mita
.difficult than it was at present. It was due t F'-'
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it could be adequately noticed, short of a Bill of-ex- specified as to the revenue allotteStforthe itneadiate
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elusion against him. No other principle could fairly expenses of the Cruwo. It could not therefore b.; "'"e
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