Star.
London, England, 1828-06-14 00:00:00

Mr, Bftl GHTirecommended a vote ofitl,ooo In the Contnibtie,
to he 4144 to the Invest+tien
West Wks.
!a.m./oars ostai.
• The SPEAK Mt
don could be given
Money could be -
Estimate laid bfl
TI• OTHANOI
'Objects as those demi
by private societies;
lb commence by the
The House then _ _ _ _
• Sir HENRY HARDINGE said, he should hope fon
Ilse indulgence of the Committee,' is the short Aube that
be hadt-been in office had net permitted him tb.betouse
so intimately acquainted with the subject as his• 1110411
able predecessor would have shown himself to be. .The •
votes which bad hitherto been agreed to for•Artny sty.
vices; left the whole amount (Or the year in the.ianie
state as if no vote whatever ;had been taken r.•and-also
left every Hon. Member at perfect liberty to'isetene4 •
cording to his opinion on that whole amounts••'.He•
*mild beg to. make a few observations on •whit-bad
fallen from his Gallant Friend, the Hon-Member for •
Worcester. And first, with respect •to Use. general
amount of our military force; it was obvieurthatthat
could not. depend .upon any general rules but that it
mast be regulated by.orany. considerationsby a :die
attention to our colonial policy—by the prospect' of
, maintaining peace in Europe, and by the state of trattoo •
quality at home. His• Gallant Friend objected tot the •
existing amount of force, and wished-it to be reduced
to that 011.822. It ought.co be recollected that a part
of thb present Estimates wassivelledbeyood ,thesi&lait
Estimates of 1822, by it: having bees transferred from •
I the Army Extraordinatier. There svonld also= be a
deduction (which would be found-in the fourth page of
the Estimates) of 80,0001. lilting a proportion •for the
pay-of non-effective men. !That saving would be pro;
duced by increasing the standard from five feet sit
inches to. five feet seven; 5,000 men Auld cost
110,00 W. and the 80,0001. to which he had adverted',
would reduce the number in that ratio. His. Gallant
Friend objected to established colonial corps. • He
(BirHenry Hardinge) was, however, persuaded that
to carry the system of sending. our own regular ••
troops ti the Colonies further. than it was carried*
present would be destructive of the energy and; char.
ratter of the Army. Did his Gallant Foiiend 'recollect
the ;constant state of exile to which, Oar bran troop..
must be ,subject, if that systitn weft• carried; ferther ?
—lt was well •known that the 60th eat
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for .thirty .or forty years considerid .as. a .ccindenustili
corps ; and. the consequence was.. that it was verylel. ••
.dom. indeed that the better descriptionelOffioers•could.
be prevailed upon to enter that .regiments .• hp studio* -
ottraegintents more frequently to-the Colonies vre.Should
destroy the character of our army; lapopreventing 144 k •
Aristocracy of the country from -entering into .the sort
Withsegardso tbeshirdoobjeetion °lbis 6allipt
Friend, namely, to the Depot Companies, he contended _
that they were most useful. in.fiteding the service; and
when regiments came from abintd, in tiffathinribtia
with the greatest possible *Ed. -. The Gallant Offiya
(Sir Henry. Ifardinge) then ran sive-
ment of.the.disposition,Of nut 011447111:. —TIMM mete
29 battalions of infantry in Great Britain ;_ which were.
barely sufficient to furnish rdftli
abroad. Those reljefi were iiill?‘43r;Y:*;tiaitt
so that seven. battalioos.a year. trete, ,requtted•fov.tbse ,
purpose. • The force had, therefore, been brought dowir---1"
to the lowest possible scale. As a prhof; thettoirefietV• ' •
battalions now re-forming in Great flritisin, -90.0
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retoed home only two years, and which, in two petite s
More, must, be sent out again. Aftersomehritherollot
servations, the Gallant Officer concluded by M0vin4;.".7.,,,r4a7
',:!..That a Sum not exceeding t 250,6941: be graiited, t 0:..; . g,t
his Majesty, to complete the suni'loi die training and •
c‘arge,of the Land Forces at, hone and atiroadi @kept:
ing.in India, for the present year." , • "m.h'' • , . ri"lr
Colonel-DAVIES mailktaitteds-itig AIPPIO4OII° #sl•'• "'•
.Were. established to a large ainotiiitote the number of
twenty.or•thirty thousand men-,-thete would then be • -
no stigma attached to them: .Theysweeld -b*4141'7'...•
officered, and being well:WU:red would be as effeetiyaj.,
and valuable as any other. troops. •He admitted that -.
there Were advantage: .attendant on,the•depin tonspiho `!
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trips; but their great- expensewai. objectionable. We
really were descending from that vantage
,'graisid..'
Which our insular situation gave us." While we retained>
the command of the see, -it was. impossiblelthir. tasty -. • ...tt
Foreign Power could. invade -witeWsiat India -islands
before we could send not a -fore* eipable isfatenlistinge '- ' r'
The military min of this coot*, largned tit if *Opts
a Continental State. If we.wete like ,A"isitrip,:pr PrOtill,
then, indeed, we must always mairmaisAzturfite. ism*.ma
force, however the expense of doing So might depress
our commerce:or agriculture. Bdt in our insularitate•'
the maintenance of such a force was unneceisary... .. ..
Sir H. HARDINGE-explained: English 'Gentlemen
were the hest• officera in the vtorld ; and' if reOments,
were permanently . established in the Colonies they
would by.deprived of the greater part of those Officers.
Mr. I4UME, is answer to the Honourable Officer's
itatethent, referred, to 'the case. of the troops in lailia,
who were permanently established there ; and who, ne-
-vertheless, were as rod .soldiers as any in the world.
Great economy Woad arise from having - treeps sta-
tioned-in thiColniiiis, instead of constantly removing ,
them. What ba bad -principally risen for, however,
Was to observai. that the Gallant Officer had not stated
why there was fa great a difference between the es- '
tablishmegt of infantry in 1822; and at the present
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period. In 18112 that blisbment consisted 9f
only .09.000, men; n . -it z consisted of 86.000.
What were the circ ;‘,Alifsici rendered this
-increase • Of 17.000 men :111iniasity?:. , He knew' if
none. He, knew, however, that! Anany,..ol• our:,Cd-
ronies were overloaded' with' trsfotis, • hy'Which meals
a great expenditure was,!isietteted; , as. olio ,is.,oro-
tiding reliefs. A great v=t,;tor. might: Ott Owe
'in that respect. -'''A great cis might 'alio' fake -
place in the troops in Ireland.' ItereNehlepUlte it the
bead of the Government, and the ht Hon.Are,Chtio-
tenor of the Exchequer, were sivisr- ,in their wish. fir
economy;. 10,000 of the 23,000 '4410#0. in , lreliod
might be. withdrawn.' ' Whr.siere. VW teentenlxif
Guards fuller than before? They used to be ciaopoised
of seven or eight hundred men :. they now amounted
to thirteen hundred; so• that where there 'were for:.
merly only three -thciirund
.!'dot-iGuerds;.- therit.„.ieerte
,stow five thousand. Dining ihe", lair -_reign'-i. fired
men formed the guard In which a whole:-regimint
was *now employed:. Why ill this inctestse?-I.Whet
necessity was there also for so large.a lsorty-Of *are*" '
Why make such a' fess about disChargqig.ii teiel'atori
in the public officec, at the moment, they weist)keepsist*
sip thousands of cavalry, every horsiand rider of which
cost the conntty a hundred. and 'fifty peunds a year?'
Two thousand horse would be abundaritly.suffitientlGY
the duty in which six thousand were.now eriploycd.-..r
There was - another most extravaiant item.),.Great
merit had formerlYbeen 'assunted ' by GOvernosent:f44-,
'diminishing .the 'nuMber and increasiog the size 4.44'
'battalions, , Now* hoWeven WeAveretereGiieig to,ttleiold
and condensed spite= of small car and as addiligli-
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es no it Com—nail Of 4opply-, wwl;fikrthe, r,4).#.1") 1;97'
voted in Supply, Whiels was owtfalmatki skit .:1:
lore the•Coidutteeelsiorder tst hU Majesty:". ,4
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!ELLOR of the 14%.CHICQUBR shld . '
lescribed by the Hon. Member *ere ;
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Its, and ref:amended the parties in hi :-
' their own Individual and joint efforts.' :,
en went into Coninittee. • ' •-; - ' ' ' -

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