Star.
London, England, 1817-05-15 00:00:00

GAS LIGHTS COMPANY HIM

On the question for the third reading of this sill,
' • The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, and dem.,
sated the enactment of such a measure in a country
like this, whose capital far exceeded that of any
country in Europe. He highly•diteptwoved-of the'
facility of late years afforded' by the k.egisliture to
lills of this description. where thevaities interested
came to•Parhament for an emission or their Capital,
without emu ing just cause orttfitittt for :Each i Oft.
Cedars. With respect to those, however, interested in
the 'particular Bill in qUestion, he was free to say, he
believed them to be men of real respectability, at
'least in comparison with the set. of persons who came
forward last year to petition Parliament for a Bill of
the kind. But, in fact, he believed the present parties
to be"a respectable body of men. At the same time,
their coming forward to Parliament for an authority
to raise aidr capital to the immense sum of half a
•-inillkin, was a point of very serious consideration.—
Tiiejr stated as one of their allegations, that they will I
be: enabled thereby to serve the public in a better
'manner ; and Without such a poste:lst was impossible
they could carry on the concern, 60 as to be generally
..advantageous or useful. To a certain extent thiir
Lordships may, on examination, find this allocation
to be made good The Noble Earl then entered into
...some detailed statement of the Company's present
• funds, and' of their profits and losses ; in which the
• latter appeared greatly to prepondetate, which, in its
bearing relatively to the present measure, he seemed
to regard as an inauspicious consideration ; but he
thought the introduction of the clause which he had
proposed in the Committee, aids reference to the ea.
tent of their orient debts, Would be attended with
beneficial elicit'. He again deprecated the facility
;which of late years prevailed in the concurrence of
the Legislature to measures of this kind. It would
encourage further applications to be made; indeed
tbere were already two Petitions before the Houstr.—.
• In what he thus said, he was not in the least moved
agaifeit those who composed this Company, for whom
bolted even a respect' but be telt it a sense of dos'j
to•-bAng these general considellidnx before their 1
laoldships,• chiefly with 'a sieit'st6 ifiletgulitibiftif ,
tbiehs ecaidieet in futon ocessidlit of idle nd. 712(n7"
I ..Lord KENYON 'observiti)thstf 11000 beivaillifit
Ivry conversant with the snbjekt'lle*Vition,' oil*
was ,induced by the strong conviktiiin id his can
• mind, that the adoption of the present Measure would
be:fot the public advantage, to give.it his support.—
' He•thought soint'substantial security was given to
the public, that the Company would carry the plan
said- 'effect, as he understood that no • less than
4100,000 was already subscribed, and in shares of
4100 each. The Company had already lighted a
considerable part of the Metropolis. There was an!
other Company inWestminster for the same purpose,
but who, he believed; offered to light it a higher rate
than that sanctioned by the Bill ; and, upon the
Wliele, he thought considerable benefit would be de-
liied from the measure before their Lordships. '
i•'The Emit* LAUDERDALE.— He hard in the
Couruslo.s *accented++ir enriesrionred- to-let .that
ilanse introduced -by which the Company was pre.
Seated from exercising'the authority*hich this. Bill
would give them until 8100,000 should be aubscrib-
-ed" and if this clause had not been isuroduced, they
iivoWldhave gieen this -powei to a Company with a
dibt of 411,000, and almost without ,fialipeary to
kitty., on the trade. He had so far sneteeded in be-
Ililf of the publ c, and it was owing to that the
Sit ipo,ouo had been itabfetibed..._,: . -
The LORD•CRANCELLOC4iIiIt was by the
eXiations of ibe-Noble Earl thit thii :claipe was in.
troduced, that Noble Earl had rfonti..„the public a
ghat service: He happened judicially..to know, that
drei:e could hardly be a greater era thanigivingtttkefe
&ars. and allowing such Comp A ph,egivilAti
• operations until such a sum Ipi4, nassibscrt.All
would afford some security sac obitct wdm sbe
rroyerpletely carried into etfeetikab liow,dee AR 0.....
tis
pbsp tome check upon such aepri,Akons, he,taqt44:
endeavour to take care that thesi`Bals shoold, be
. examined at an earlier stage, and INC. before they
• prised their policy should be sifted togie_buttorn.
The Bill was then read a third nuie,ritid passel,-
Adjourned till Friday. - ..
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HOUSE OCCOMMONS. •t •
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sr B,ItOSAIL,ILY presented Pendant hem certaln persons
carrying on the trade vi euttererria Leadaa *4 Wbeurnesta,

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emnplidning oftlii tummy of umlaut Weak' make them tar I
selling gaits osonary to taws whit& k was oar proposed to ap-
peal. and preying the Hasse to tato their rose lota cassiderm
don In the Bill befeettbainfir legalising the sale et gum. Or.
dared to lie on the table.
Mr. SMITH presented in Account of the Cub Receipts of
Richmond Bridge feel 8 in. Ordered to lie on the table.
The Annual Accounts of the Margate Pier and Harbour
Company. were presented, and ordered tolle oaths taste.
Sir F. FLOOD rose to correct a mistake which
had appeared in print, of one sentence of the obser-
vations he had made last night on the subject of the.
army estimates. He was reported to have said that
some parts of Ireland were in rebellion, under the in-
fluence of wicked demagogues, &c. whereas what he
had said was, that" Ireland was in a state of perfect
tranquillity, and was so, whilst a great portion of the
population of Great Britain was in a state of disor-
ganization and rebellion, under the influence of
wicked and traitorous demagogues, now subdued
by the timely exertions and wisdom of his Majesty's
Government." He had no complaint to urge ;he
only wished the misunderstood pa ssage to be corrected.
The SPEAKER—As the Honourable Member
has no complaint to make, there is no quzstion before,
the House.
Sir F. FLOOD—No. I have no complaint to make.

The SPEAKER. then observed, there was -no
longer any suieject of discussion before the House,
And that therefore any further conversation must be
consitised irregulu.

IRISH ORAND .CRY PRESENTMENTS.
Mr. COOPgR. moved that an Address be pre-
sented to the Prince Regent for an account of the
names of Treasurers in Ireland who had made de-
fault, ike: •
Mr. PEEL repeated his satisfaction at having ad-
vised the withdrawiog of the Irish Grand Jury Pre.
sentmenu Bill, as by allowing so voluminous a mea-
sure to proceed to a Committee, the opportunity
might be lost fur the present Session of bringing in a
Bill that was likely to give general satisfaction, and
to pact through that House. He had now to state,
with peculiar pleasure, that a Right Honourable
Friend near him (Mr. Vesey Fitzgerald) well qua-
lified for such a task. intended to prepare a measure,
respecting Grand Jury Presentments; and he had
every reason to believe the Bill would give general
satisfaction. * •
General- MATHEW heard the information with.
pleasure that some alteration was about to be made
in the law on this subject; but be feared 4t would be
in vain to accomplish any good till Sheriffs were api
pointed in Ireland as they were in England. Thu
Grand Juries were appointed by defective means. am(
an end ought to be put to the iniquitous tax whit*.
they too often imposed. The Sheriff's ought auk cis
be appointed by the Government as was the cast now.i
Sir T. FLOOD denied that the Sheriffs were ap:
pointed by the Government; they were nominated
by the Chancellor and the Judges. Persons were pro-
posed to those high officers as fit for Sheriffs;. They,
"chatted" over the business, and thus were the sp•
pointments made.
Mr. PONSONBY was glad that the Right Hon.
Member opposite wan about to tutu his attention to
these subjects, with the view of preparing a Bill, bet
he saw no reason for withdrawing the Grand Jury
Presentment Bill. previously to its going into a
Committee, which was the proper place for ezainini-.1
ing the details. As to the appointment of Sheriffs. he
feared little good would be effected so long as the
Judges took the recommendations for future Sheriffs
from rhos, already filling the OffiCf.
I • Mr. PEEL vindicated the present mode of appoint.
ing Sheriffs as far as dove:meat was concerned.—
The appointment was made without any reference
whatever to private influence; the first name on the
list sent to Government was generally selected. As
to the mode of preparing those lists, he had sug-
seated to the Lord Chancellor the propriety of noi-
res:laving them /rum the eaisting Sheriffs, but of re-
mitting to more unquestionable authorities.
Mr. PONSONDY said, a more important sugge,
lion could not have been made ; it was the first step
to the remedying mauy of those evils complained of.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD observed, that the mks.
ma:ioa of the laws on these subjects would be effect-
ing a great advantage for Ireland; but unless the
to-operation of pets/ ins in this part of the country/
timid be obtained, thou who brought in Bills would
Rod themselves thwarted, as he was some years agoi
onlhis subject.
Mr. LESLIE-FOSTER observed, that' the Bib
which had been withdrawn was defective, Many pop]
tions of it being impracticable. Had the Bill passed I
it would have been productive of mach mischief. •
Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished a general value.'
tion of lands to be proposed. The. tax on occupying
tenants was, in fact, a vas on the whole country. He
was astonished to hear it said that there were no de-
faulters. Since the discussions of the last year no
less than three County Treasuren had.failed. . Who-
eve; took op the subject would center a great oblk
gado' on the country. • The securities for Grand
Jury money, and all outer public mollies, were in the
Canis state pow as when the last discussion took place.
Arrears were Still due to the public, though. men of
first rate prisperty were-security for the defaulters.—
fle alluded to the .cage of_ Mr. Lycett, and ciuldraded
that if-the Officers of the _Crown had done their duty.
the debts would have been recovered.

Lord DESART defended the Gentlemen
had introduced the former measure. They !widow
a great service to their country by bringing it lee.
ward. The money was drawn from the great land.
holders, and • distributed in the employment of the
Jour! 14wropyr explained. •
Mr. VESEt FITZGERALD explained the na.
tore of the mitiluti be meant to bring before the
'House; lie was .gme of „those who had persuaded
the Honourable (Anaemia (Mr. Cooper) to :aban-
don the proceeding ; but be did not, think himself
exonerated finin bringing foiward a ainiilay Meatiuti.
as it was one of the utmost importance. ..kie suirdi
very soon bring 'forward the measuie-Tin:perliops!
Obut, a week from this' time, in' order tlia(it mist*
'Pe the benefit of discuision before the:§eision wffel
yo far advanced. In this he. should. endeavour col
adopt most of the suggestions wbicli hii.lionenrable
Tliend bad thrown out. He would sisk;that there
would be no Objection to furnish every document, re-1
lithe to the processes fm recovering from the securi.l
ties of thedefoultera• Ho Could mention an instance:
where a debt Which bieballiod all attempts to recd.
fey it for tridiklhati ttenti leafs had lately beekte-
covered by die persiveOngt of. the proper euibari7

ties.. whose laxity the itiut g ft e taronet
..„ - •t
teptufecl. He concluded 'with stating that 4, sholeld
probably propose the measute be hidinacdiitetitpla-
don.uts Friday se'nnight.
Mr. COOPER said a few words in reply.. He
thought it would have been singularly advantageous
if the Bill had hien committed and discussed ; but
lie was still of opinion that it ought not to have been
passed this Session.
The Motion was put and carried.
Mr. NEWMAN postponed his. Motion on the
Tithe-Leasing Bill till Wednesday neat.
Sir THOMAS ACLAi4D presented a Petition
from a part of Devonshire in favour of the Siiving
Banks Bill.
Mr. DAVIES GILBERT obtained leave 63 bring
Bill to eiempt Waggons laden with Manure and
other articles from the payment of Toll.
Mr. HURST obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
enlarge the different Acts of Parliament for appoint-
ing Clergymen to officiate in ?ails and Hotries in Cor-
rection in England and Wales.