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due atken.ion -
scientiously imposed upon them. With is hope, there-
fore. that some Honourable Friends 'of 'his, 'Whom' hit'
saw opposite, would allow the House some little interval
of tranquillity. although he contoured he saw footfall
preparat ons to disturb it, and be. for one. Mitt oar,
that be did ant intend to give the Bill for the :op-
pression of the Association any opposition, if it.did
not, as he earnestly- hoped it would not, cousin
any proposition at traria-nee with justice and huma-
nity; hoping, however, that between the pant%
of that Bill and their entering upon the consideratiee
of that other all-important question—the removal of the
disqualification** which affected the Roman Catholics,
there might occur some brief breathing time, hi not
gave notice, that on Thursday. the 19th of Febtuniy,
he should move for Copies or Extracts of all coutentesis
cations between his Majesty's Government and.thatc.
Donna Maria Gloria the Second, Queen of Portugal'
and Algarve. .

CATUOLIC CLAM%

Lord SHIRLEY presented Petitions frees seven' Parhhesin
the county of Monaghan against granting farther egineetelsos to
the Roman Catholics.—Laid on the table. •
Major General KING• presentod a dallier Petition Tient .the-
Mahop. and Clergy of 'Mak and Amery; and front the Protestant
Inhabitants of Kilda; in MBAs ; of Castle Connor end ,Creenee:
tins, in the censty sst Mayo.--taid an the table. • =l• • • •
The Mer, atCHANDOS preempted a Petition frownthn
Protestant bilaMewinr of Mardsalmerdt, Ilaterelsite. and Item
Mosel Heuessenk to the Moe sibs&
-Mr SKORIGHT mowed Ids surprise at the last Fug
proessesd by the Nab Marevis. 11, was well acquainted bb
the inhailtantagenerally et !hued l_kopewod. and be ,efeee yet
beard a dnole sigilaint mist Windom, and mere especially
against dm Nam Cr'- IN that tows. •

Sir J. MACINTOSH observed, chat the House most
be -aware the petition presented by the Noble Marquis
had been got up previous to the opening of di! Session,
and therefore before his Majesty's sentiments bad beets
known relative to the great question of emancipation.
Had the contents of his M •jesty's Speech, and. the nsost
adequate and complete security premised therein:been
previously known to the petitioners, in all probability
they would have been influenced to adopt a contrary
measure, and not. in the face of such undertakings op
the past of Government, to persist in their opposition
and attempt to debase the grace, and poison the happy
measure which his Majesty bad been graciously pleased
to declare from the throne, and which, according to his
Majesty's Government, and perfectly compatible with
the most sacred engagements of his coronation oath, he
had recommended as necessary for the welfare of the
country, and perfectly consistent with the security of
the Protestant interest.
Mr. TRANI' conceived that for the present at least
it would be more advisable to rely on his Majesty's
Ministers than to petition against the introduction of
the proposed 'lessors. An Honourable Gentleman, a
friend of hi', had gone to Derry; and there bad made
a lengthened speech; in which be seemed to have let
the cat's nose rut of the bag, and now the entire cat
had appeareil,,not even leaving her tail unperceived.
After the subject had been discussed over and over
again, and argued in all possible forms, he could not
avoid feeling considerable surprise at its very sudden
appearance, and in a shape it bad never before exhi-
bited'. 'fns entire Government seemed to him vary like
to one el Prince Hohenlohe's miracles, of whiff tbej
bad lewd so much, and yet known so little.'
Sir C. BURR ELL sapposted the petition, betauie he
believed the' it Contained the sentiments of try. iar the.
greatest portion 'of his Majesty subjects. He haefelt it
his duty hitherto to oppose the Catholic clainis, sod as'
he now saw no reason f r altesifig his sentiments, he
must cnntiane that opposition. If-indeed he (Sir C.
Burrell) could see soy seal good, any slid advantage,
that could result to the Roman Catholics from the con-,
cessions of thole claims, he would not oppose it; but he
was not aware of any good that could possibly result
theretrotn. He could not avoid thinking that the new
light:had shone in upon his Majesty Ministers in a
most unexpected and sudden manner.
Mr.. H. MAXWELL could not allow the Petitions
which his Honourable Friend had brought before the
Houle to be laid by without saying a few words. He
(Mr.,84 l had himself presented several Petitions to the
same effect, and he could assert that. even if the.peti-
timers had any idea that his Majesty's Ministers would
have changed their opinion upon the subject before
them, they would not, therefore, have changed theirs—
(Hear, herr). And be bad reason to know that that
demonstrations f the Protestant f sling which had been
long ezhibi.ed would not now cease to disclose itself.
He bad no doubt that his Maje:ty's Ministers had con.
scientroubly acted, but the Pro.estants, he felt assured,
would feel that they had misplaced their confidence: in
the Noble bul."'s pledges and the 'Right Honourable
the Secretary for the Home Department, who, he (Mr.
Maxwell) had reason to shook, from hisspeeches in that
House, would never have changed his opinions andtatio;
"'toed in oIE e. The Pr otestants had n w lost confi-
dence in his Majesty's Guvernm nt ; and is that Ceiling
he, as a Member of ,hat House, as a Protestanti'ind
one who constituted a past of a Government essaftlalf*
Protestant, Jelt bound to participate.
Colonel EEL—Ilk. sass any solid reason for aban-
doning the opinions which he • had early imbibed he
would feel no hesitation is doing so; but, as be could
see no Food reason.he must continue unchanged. Had
his blaiesty's Ministers paid a proper attention to•the
opinions of the House. when it was recommended to
put down the Catholic Ass( ciatiun, they would not now
have been left to the u.i.er able alternative of =ranting
Catholic Ensancip. tion. There was no danger of which
the country cs old for m any idea equal to the danger of
sacrificing the Cut s:itution ; and, he would ask, was them
any other probable, or even possible, means of setting this
question &rally to resi? Let them advert for a mama' to
the measures proposed,and what were they? Toone party
thete was an offer of emancip.tian; to the other of secu-
rity. But, be would ask, what possible security could
be given for the seven millions of whom they bad heard
so touch ? They were told that all rational and mo-
derate men among the Catholics would exert their in-
fluence ass ng the people, and feel more disposed to
secure a constitution of which tf.ey,fotmed a part; but
it was irrational men, it was, the agitators, that passed
the pow er of the people. They would never be satisfied ;
they bad Wedged themselves that they would not—
(Hear, heat ). Fos these reasons be continued unchanged
in his sentiment,.
After a few Aped. is explanation from air JAMB Liiinclosi,
Mr. MOORE, notwithstanding the sudden change
that had taken place in the sentiments of his Majesty's
Ministers and the recommendation from the Throne,
continue I unchanged in h s opinion. He believed that
the mea,use, is conceded, would endanger the constitu •
ti• nof the country. He only took his Majesty's speechl
as the dictation of his Ministers; but,if it were receiveda.
the dictates.of his own reason, still he would eonterAthat
Ibis Majesty did not entertain a conscientious Opinio

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upon .
as it was to all classes in empire, his Majesty's Go.
verisomit would allow ample time frilly to delibe-
rate litila its merits, and to give it that coosiisration
which it deserved. Sure be was, also, that sufficient
time would be allowed between the tisssink of the Bill
ilk the suppression of the Catholic Association and that
other measure which was intended to follow it, in order
that the people of England and the people of Leland
sight have ample opportunity of declining their
revokes. He trusted that no difficulties mould be
tanown in the way, and that no attempt would be
made to Wile those opinions. He felt assured that,
$ ihose advantages were allowed them—if they eye
not _taken by surpifse—they would show how great
and, how extensive was the Protestant feeling upon
Mri:Nett ; and, when their opinions were fairly laid
the House..they would fairly bear out the state.
mints of Honourable Members, that she contemplated
measure was strongfr opposed to the views and wishes
if a vast maj.,rity of the people of Englind, and of p
censidetabk portion of the people of Ireland. , .
• ',Tie Petition tram Heasel-Heaspstead sedate Wake mum
:duos to the Region Cuban was ties laid epos or sale, and
teedsted.to be printed.
c• The Marquis of CHANDOS presented a Petition
Ifrnin the Protestant Inhabitants of the Barony of Ostoryi
in the Queen's county. Zgiinst the training of furti re
) tosicessions to the Roman Catholic.. It was, be ob!
rived, unnecessary for him to stare that be felt great
dire in bringing tks petition before the H n e, and
would take this 'opportunity of stating that his Mr
E.eta
. y's Speech bad been per used throughout the whole
county which be had the honour to represent in Pat.
Raiment without producing the slightest change in the
,opinions of its inhabitants. They were ready to aunt
tward their petitions against concessions to t e Rosati
acs. to renew their best efforts to spread this ma
tiiment; and to call upon their represemativei to do their
dot to tiers and net their cnantry.—Laid one he table.
The Marquis of CHANDOS said, as the Right Hoe.
Secretary of &ate had given notice of his intention to
being in a Bill for the removal of ihmocivil,disabilities
*hick affected his Majesty's Roman Catholic subject,.
he rose to take advantage of the earliest opportunity VI
pate his intend nof moving i calf of House-whao-
ever the measure shou'd be brought forward, in order
that the Representatives of the whole country might be
enabled to put forth their opinions as to whether or n t
the Conaitution of the country aught to be changed.
Colonel SIBTHORPE presented a Petition against
farther concessions to the Roman Catholics trots the
parish of Wallington, in the county of Lincoln. He
confessed that he had beard with astoni.hinent the Opi-
nions advanced by the HooourabkMembet for Raise.-
botough and other Honourable Members, that Oxford
would have pursued a very different course if they bad
entertained an idea of the conduct about to be adopted
by his Majesty's Government; and that many of the
Petitions presented that day would have been withheld if
the Petitioners had been aware of the changes that were
about to take place in the sentiments of his Majesty's
Ministers. Since he (Colonel Sibthorpe) had arrived
iwtown, be had scarcely met an-individual. who did
net shudder at contemplating the consequences re-
salting upon this contemplated measure; and he con-
sidered it his duty to express to the House and to the
country his conviction that In the county in which be
lived, and in the city which he had the honour to re-
present, the people would come forward warmly in op-
potion to any such measure the moment they conceived
it.possible that a change' of sentiments bad taken place
re the minds of his Majesty. Ministers. For the Right
Hon. Secretary, and for his great abilities, he entertained
she highest respect; and from hour to bout, and from
meek to week, he had sat in that House, and bad listened
llo.hisn with attention; but he bad beard with-the most
utter astonishment that that Right Hon. Secretary arid
fis colleagues tenant, on some teture occasion. to sup-
port those claims of the Roman Catholics to which he
and they had been so long and so strenuously oppored.,
While he (Colonel Sibthorpe) lived he should; consider
It his duty to his c‘untry and to his constituents to op-
pine further concessions to the Raman Catholics.
Ordered to be Wd co the table.

Sir ROBERT INGLIS presented a Petition front
Ripon. is Yorkshire, against farther concessioncto the
Roman. Catholics He observed it was unnecessary for
him to state how cordially be concurred in the prayer
of the Petition. He trusted, with the Hon. Mensbes
for Dublin. that the opinions of the .people of this
country would be allowed feee vent. and that they
would receive the amplest opportunity of being heard
in that House. Those opinions were every day more
and more gaining ground; and he felt assured that. if
it should appear that the Carbolic question was:likely
to be carried, re House would have Positions hum all
parts of the country. not merely to Parlia Peat, but to
the Crown, to entose that prerogative in which the
Impe of the people might be eventually. placed. hie
trusted., such a course would not be necessary ; but be
vim sure that his Majesty's Government had grossly
Miscalculated public opmion—as grossly as they bad
ested in their view of. the segesstty of granting this
linestiow.
t• lac W. INGILBY did not mean toeppose the Pad-
*sit which the Manometric Baronet bad presented, but
he
.conceived it his duty to state somewhat of the man
aer is which it bad been got up. It was one of thos-
Petitions which were usually denominated '441101e and
corner Petitions." The meeting which decided•upon it
was held at a pnhlic house, and even the Mayor of toe
town was sot ptesent, although his name would, he
believed. appear att ached to. it. It was not by tray means
the Petition of the inhabitants of Ripon, nor osjht it to
be laid on the table of the House. And be believed, if
the Petitions of the &unswickers were narrowly in-
spected, one half of than would be found of the same
character as this, which was, in his opinion, a fair ape.
cialcu of the wholes got up in the. same way • by Cier-
gymen. Apothecaries. and Lawyers—(Laughter).
Mr. Secretary PEEL would take the liberty of giving
to the House that advice which be bad given on former
occasions, namely, to receive all Petitions that were pre-
,sented with that respectful attention which they de-
served; not to scrutinise them too narrowly, or to Mi.
tole the means that circumstances might have rendered
necessary. which it had been resorted to to ptepare them
fat signature. Every opportunity should be 'given to
ell classes of declaring their sentiments openly, fairly,
rod freely ; and he felt assured that thee could be no
way of opposing the contemplated impale so effec-
tually. as by ridiculing those legitimatet &mast, and
respectful Petitions which varions_bridies in the country
Might conceive it their duty to lay before the Legis.
Wire. He would assure the Honourable Member
who bad referred to the petition from Oxford that it had
arisen Iron motives the most. honourable. It would be'
his duty to present that petition to the Houses and be,

would, of mine, most gladly and justly , • hie
duty in presenting it. although he had be. a
by citcemstances to d ffer flows them as to the ipeasting
to which .t 'elated. Whatever might be the re .ml, which
induced him and other aseasbet s of his hi ajet)%Govo.s.
re e. t to estop, the !Outs, which they note meant to pea
se-, his Hon. Friel d might feel satisfied that there ion
have been cogent retools conoleted with • review' or
the state of affairs to induce his high' Hon Priem, sad
himself to place therneelees in a sioratiermaersituatinn
• hich they sight have foreseen end did foresee...one
must of necessity have imposed them ththe atteeksana
reproaches of those, with whom they had hitherto aesea.
It was, indeed, a most painful situation, and one free
which they washd have shintik, bad.not citessaenneesi
forced it spots them. An Hon. Member had talked alma'
the sacrifice rf loisesty. about duty to the memory, nag
about that sacrifice of of coand emolument which shoals
have been made rather than* sacrifice of opinioci,
(Mr. Pell) could not talk with a poison oh. viewed the
question in this light.- .who could put the sacrifice*
office and emolument io competition with thlocother
crifices which he end those who acted with him had hero
called Open to make, in order to retain that office sod same
emolument. Such a principle ccu:sl net bt supposed is
is.flUrnCe any honourab's mind. The determination as
which he had come bad nothing whateser to do witt
such 'principles; but. considering the Situation (few
country, and, in particular, the state of Ireland, he
could never have left the House, he could never
have left the situation which he filled, responsible as'
be was for the tranquillity of belied, and to bested,
one of a Minority .of the House of . Commons. 'le
was impossible. also, that he mold have 'stained his
situation trod r such Ciftlitlntientel as those VIM
esisted. He believed that if common justice were dose
to the intentions of his Majesty's Government, it would
not be thought that they had betrayed the oust •hiefie
their couiitry-had reposed in them—it would not be
thought that they had betrayed the Printtlini interests
in pr. faring to encounter mistepreseutation anJ
apptehensicn. rail er than by trusting to sale appear.
enc.s, 'shod observing a'course which had been Isabela
considered the 'alma road to populasity, sad at the
same time sacrificing their deliberate conviction, their
personal characters, and the interest. et their country.
After a few wards from Mr. C. PICLHAII. the panda was'
laid es the table.
Sir R. INGLIS wished to ask the Hon. Baronet (*
W. !nay) to which of She oases la the petition he rtferrodi
whew he' described It as betwerthy to lie upon the sable aids
Howse? Did be swan to say that the Protestants of the
were ow 'free's. state Chair epleisitsf He (Sir IL legli=
the Haase of Ownesini would tellititO faisbenl is M. duty is Its
amenity. sad resin say 01111:fteillell I* the ROOMS Cuba, it
alight abet the isuettits of the Preteswat Church.
Sr W. INGILBY earlibied. He Twisty Wowed is Chi MB
an which the signatures were yratsteil se the petkioa. °
The peddle was then laid en the table.
Mr.F.WEST rose to pre eta a Pr Won from Burke§
Heiden and *another parish in Wales against the claims
of the Catholics. He could not sufficiently express
his dismay at the e urse which it appeared was about
to be puttu-d by his Maj •sty's Government, and
he was, indeed. surprised at the unaccountable change
which hod recently taken place in their seitinies.ei. He
was willing to concur in any plan, it any could be te-
posed in, which might remedy the evils under which
Ireland L' boated, if it could bedew without danger I.
the Protestant Constitution ; but be could not hoes mo
petted that those who had hitherto so strenuriurlf
posed them could hare bees fosid so sodeealytsi-oigr
round. and briuging forward a plan for granting *al.
eipation to the Roman Catholics. Hishoattlityx*e."
ever, to tl e Roman Catholics was not t:S.a.ilsit!itilllW•
racter.sed he those; their demands were ale y asiosserlip •
Made ; Cott he also thought that they shouhl,mat lhe
orautecl until the necessity for greeting theastadieen •
shown.—L lid en the table.
Admiral SOUTHERN •preseoted petitions against
the clainsi of the Roman Catholics from the town mid
neighbour!tood of Mansfield, the town and neighbour-
hood of Nottingham. and from East'Bridgeforo, in the
county of Nottingham. The Hon. Member observed,
that be perfectly coincided in the prayer it the petition,
anJ during the foot Parliaments in which be had a see
in that House he bad constantly advocated this prim
ciple. He saw no mama now to change his searimeatt
L id on the table.:

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Mr. MUNDY poreeeeted for Petitions to the tame
'Rea treat the Clew et sbe Atehdeaceary et Illeeby; frees the
Inhabkaan oldie town of Alltheens, ia Derbyshke; trees Wert.
sop, and treat the Parishes et Slade* mad linownl, he the erne
county.—Ordered to is ea the table.
Mr. HART DAVIS presented a P. tition to the tea*
effect tient the Vicar, Churchwardens. sad whereof the Peri& of
St. &obeli. in the 'city of Deified. lie would molly say. be con•
curred in the principle of t►e Petition, and hared the amplest op-
portunity would be given to t►e people or Railroad to dodge
their estimate ow a question of such vital intponance. In the sky
which be had the wean to represent. there Was a vast majority
of the same opiaisa....-Ordered to lie ea the table.

Mr.. DUNCOMBE presented a Petition Irons the
Clergy of the Archdeaconry of the East Riding of York.
sbirei.and a Petition from the Clergy and inbabiratin
of Kit kby, in the same county, against Catholic gam.
cipatino. Tie Honcurable Member sal.' that be haJ
been requested to support the prayer of these petitions,
aoJ he complied most willingly anJ most cordially:
and be would take the liberty of LION; that. however
ntherindisisivals might see caws s change their send.
menu. and to act in opposition to their constituents, he
saw no reason lot changing his. The course which be
had considered it his duty to iikc trailitNiablY
consistently. to oppose the granting -coecessions e i sae
&slum Catholics ; and.- if he adopted any other coursti
he felt that be would be acting obnosiously and dido.
pouts*, and in opposition to the best mousiest. of it
empire. It was a most grave matter the recommeads.
tion of the Ministers of the Crown to Parliament to tril
into consideration a measure hostile to the principles 41
the. British.Constitotion. However. it was not yet Ire
late mask- his Majesty's Government to weigh, invite
and survey the steps Abe? were about to take, to Mkt
maturely upon their propriety, and to deliberate apt
their consequences. They should recollect the apieigie
they bad futoserly expressed. and bear in mind thew
arnpleof the late Mr. Canning, owe of the most iIM
and persevering advocates the Catholics ever bad, tOls
stated that be had too grout a respect for the unties*
of the majority of the Protestants of England to tbl
I
this measure precipitately upon them. Now that OS
intention of Ministers bad been explainedobete Vasa
doubt that the Protestants of the empire woad WOO
forward and state their opinions boldly. The 01",
Member concluded by repeating that he cordialirtor
ported the prayer of the petitions be presented. •
Mr. F. CLINTON said, he bad had the bower of s
seat is that Hosts is the two last Sessions, du, ing !It!
time Wearied bad been 6sed against granting Catbefit
inwasteeska. sod setwithettadbs the resins changes men
Gasilime, then, was se asset la MO. The eesideradoe 011 s
amen had been se be jestllkd es the phi ef testelki
=VlZtit Trebled. ewe Moe tie eatidleisa se killed 1111°
, am/ bet* aseerei dot the leseeisd Ceara woad ad
sot 10.881.1140 netriradi Met thet emtry bet dos VP'
time is *lse sott llama SW remsla • woad est
stn
paw se die useetka elite Hesse by se eeploolitS
!he reasons that Wined 1 et to thlei reemeeils, ffir.
MIN fregagatifidelemeb he weellased,dhendir
Geaderma lasmerly adman Ids
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to kis MOW pluposs;•spd to itiAC , dint iniElreikpower con sorry* Nosh.
those who ciitemplaw she alrolle . cusboUts-wrilh safety p the rei, t istitithigius. of
Ministers to cede a law% 'beneiStitiOus ilt sloOntry. which itioglir, -,at ' sit 'la ,bli pre.
Situ. feel• ' diminishes boond to 'give to ' cf:•lie was glad tolndibet al part* weleftelled
ptegitethig subject at rilise4ssion, io- eagle. giewtridiuu.s the snljnet elkh minPigance Pa l'ir
others which may press upon them, and a Iseefewie, and he hop,'" the lajoection would be strictly
We to which they easy feel fairly and eon. obterved net only by one party but by all. Sate he
v imposed upon them. With • hope there- was that, upon such a que.tion, so deeply interesting
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