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ing. mu, that, considering the emotion of the country,
o might be advisable to make it a part .of the Bill,
that the next clemise of the Crown should opt operate
as a d hit on iit a future Parliament.
Mr. i ONSONBY decl wed, that the situation of
the country had never occtored to his mind in recem
mending the prevent measure. The intention of the
ni simply w is, to proteit Public Officers from the
eeceoity tot taking out new appointments, upon which
they must pay double fees. If the Noble Lord de-
n:a to carry the 13111 farther, it was for himself to
recite any additional provision.
L:rd CASTLEREAGH said, that the sugges.
you in which the Noble Lord (Lascelles) alluded,
Isid fallen from an Honourable and Learned Gentle-
can cm the other side of the House (Mr. Bs ougham),
not now pretent. It seemed to him that it would be
Top consonant to the principle of this Bill, and very
roper to provide for the continuance of the Parlia-
ment M the event alluded to.
!Ir. TIERNEY observed that the Noble Lord
'teemed to think this an excellent opportunity of N..
touring a suggestion, which, if attempted to be car-
:ied into effect, ought to be opposed upon every con-
stitutional principle. He found he was mistaken in
.su?posing that this Bill, as far as it now went, was of
3 Nrinanetit nature ; but he must say, he wished !iis
Right Hon. Friend had modified it differently.—.
Many eif Oast fees,fhis paymesit of which it was pro-
posed to relieve individuali from, might in his opinion
be properly added to this public purse. Why should
persons holding' high appoiritnoents, or patent places,
by this sort of fibre,.be exempted from plying it ?
lie e.uld easily conceive that there was no reason
why, on the other hand, those who were to receive
these fees should not sacrifice them to the necessities
of the State. HZ certainly roust also approve of the
Rill, as it applied to subaltern officers ; but these. al.
orations of an ancient constitutional principle neces.
airily led to farther iiiiiingensents ; and he should
uot b: surprised it ',lib Committee, which commenced
with a proposition for abolishing lees, concluded with
a measure tor perpetuating Parliament.
Mr. PONSONIW was willing to admit to h;s
Right Hon. Friend, that he lied never had it in con-
templation to render his measure a source of public
supply. Its object was entirely limited to the mulct
of individuals ; who, as the law stood, might be called
spun to pay ties for which he saw no reason. He
certainly had wished to make the Bill a permanent
one, but he must declare he saw no relation between
in principle and that of a measure to prevent a dis-
solution of Parliamint taking place in the same event.
He consider-d this pretended analogy, therefore, as a
May pretence ; and would rather disappoint those
who were looking to the Bill with hope, although his
Mejesty might yet outlive the gayest and most am-
bitious amongst them, than see it made the instru-
ment of so extraordinary a design.
. Lord LASCELLES was still of opinion, that the
analogy between the two proceedings was greater
than had been admitted: the offices were to be coo-.
Mated kcause many of them bad been granted by
the Argent in the exercise of sovereign authority : and
the next Parliament would, in the case supposed, be
assembled by Mni in the same capacity.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH observed, that he
should agree with the principle stated by the Noble
Lord, if Members of PatAament, like public officers,
were nominated by the Crown t: but so important a
change ate that contemplated in the fundamental
principles of our ancient Constitution, ought not to
be lightly thrown out or. adopted. The principle
which it was pioposed to alter was one of the highest.
practical ,mportance. 'ln every other dissolution
Ministers selected their own opportunities, and enjoy-
ed therefore"' der advantage over their opponents.
A dislution by demise of thy Crown was the only
occasion in which an appeal could be made to the
impartial sense of the people—the only accidental
source of equality between contending parties. Such
a measure had not only no relation or resemblance to
the Bid is the Committee, but it was a most olefin-
ing attack upon an ancient principle of • law, which
sever yet was otherwise, and had never yet produced
any inconvenience--(der, Asar).
Lord ILASCELLES reminded the Honourable
cud Learned Gentleman that he had only submitted
it as applicable to the lile.of his present Majesty.
Mr. B. BATHURST Would not decide upon the
general question which had incidentally arisen; but
he thougni the proposed measure not so foreign to
the principle of the Bill as it had been represented.
The suggestion in question bad been thrown out by
as Honourable and Learned Gentleman opposite,
whose voice was generally pretty well heard et the
House. That Honourable and Learned Gentleman
had thrown out the suggestion as being analogous to
the case referred to by the Bill. The Honourable
and Learned Gentleman (Sir J. Mackintosh) said,.
that the Parliament was chosen by the people, and
did not stand its the situation of officers holding com-
missions from the Crowe. But that Honourable and
Learned Gentleman should have gone a little further,
Ind cousidered why the Parliament should be dis-
tared by* demise ef the Crown ; for they were still
much the representatives of the people atter the
demise of the Crown as before it. At the same time,
with respect to the suggestion Itself, he had formed
cc decided opinion, ittid he had no particular wish on
'the subject.
JAMES biAatliiTOSti had only asserted
cat the tendency of the suggestion was adverse to
the true principles of the Constitution. At present,
dissolutien by demise of the Crown formed some
sail counterpoise to the power at all times possessed
by the Crown of diuolving.Parliament when the pre-,
justices of the people were most favourable to the
Nficy of the Government. It was, therefore, a most
substantial alteration of the Constitution ; and what-
her might have tallen from his Honourable and
Learned Friend, it must be very great authority and
/ere cogent argument
,which would iufluence his
mind to regard it in any other light.
Mr..PONSONBY did not expect that the measut
would have given rise to the.viewa which some seemed
to have taken of it. The tendency of the argument
tced by the Right Honourable Gentleman, that be-
cause the Princeßegent per Or= d the duties of the
Cnnv
n, t le appointments made. by him ought not to
cease on the demise of the King; would lead to this
conclusion, that these appointments ought only to
141 cc the demise of the Regent ; but this, he was
Stitt-
cw not mean by the Gent:aroma on the other
"• If, however, it was to be held, that the 13,1#
91 em the piiaciple of the Franco Resent har4

made certa;n.eppointniekteshe *UN relit its operalion solely to these At.r.ipointsnents. When lie cane
to reflect on what.had,been thrown'ont by the N.hle
Lord, i.e must confess that he was much startled ;
because it went much farther than intended when
he introduced the measure, and involved questions
which he had no idea of agitating.
Lord COCHRANE did not apprehend that it
would make any material difference in elections, whe-
ther the idea which hid been thrown out should be
adopted or wit ? It was well known that the great
majority of the returns to that House were carried by
money , and whatever might be the circumstances
under width a dissoluoion might take place, the same
influence would prevail. He held in his hand ac-
counts (holding up a large bundle of papers), con-
taining charges against him which amounted to more
thao £5,700, for one of his elections. These accounts ,
would throw great light on the nature of elections ;
and it was his intention to move on Monday for a
Committee to examine them—(Grits of order, order.)
CHAIRMANsaid, the Noble Lord's observa-
tion appeared to have nothing to do with the notation.
Lord COCHRANE insisted, that his observations I
were perfectly apviicable. That they weft in point,l
rte ctid, plainly to be seen, by the great seala,-1
lion they had produced on the other side. He should
always be against any thing which tended to abridge
the rights of the people; but as Parliament was now,
constituted, he was perfectly. certain, that in nine
places out of ten the candidate who had most money
in his pocket, if he chose to Spend it, would be sure
to.succeed —(Near, hear, hear.)
Sir RODER!' HERON objected to the Rill, that k was to,
partial, as it did not apply generally to all demises.
Ibe House thee resumed o the Report was received, orderer;
for farther consideration ear Ibis day se'nnight, 3114 to be printed.
Lord COCHRANE gave notice, that on Monday neat he
would move fur the appointment of a Committee wider the l'reat.
mg CI,A to inquire Wu an Attempt to eston mousy Irontinium.
Adjourned.

THE EVENING STAR,.

LONDON.

NEXT TUESDAY, List. DAY OR DRAWING-TWO
'1 WEN 1 Y 1 HOUSAND POUND PRIZES - AND
TWENTY- TWO OTHER CAPITALS-ALL MUST BE
DRAWN ON THAT DAY.

FRIDAY, MAY 15, 1817.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK :
Med. 74—cons. Mo. 731—110. for Ace. TIIS,J;
4 per Cent. 691—Navy, 1031—India BondeSl 69 pro.
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Mr. PONSONBY yesterday put the question to Lord
Caartansaott, of which he gave notice on Tuesday
evening, whether it was the intention of Ministers to
apply to Parliament fur an extension of the period
for suspending the Habeas Corpus Act beyond the
Ist day of July ? His Lordship in answer stated. that
it was the intention of, Ministers, by the end of the
present month, to advise a Communication to Parlia-
menton the intetnal state of the country. and that
on this would be founded' a proposal to continue the
suspension till the first day of the next Session.—Sir
PRAKers Bow= gave notice. in consequence, th4cl
he would this day' tweet fer a list of the persons
taken up and detained under the Suspension Act,
distinguishing the offirneei with which they are
charged. A singular.cltle*Of arrest at Glasgow un-
der this Act, was alluded to by Me.' GRANT, but as
the absence of the Loin ADVOCATE of pcutland pre.
vented farther distosskine it was dropped for the
present.

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Yesterday the Doke of YORK transacted military
business with the Piton& RSGSNT, at Carlton-House.
Yesterday her MAJESTY. accompanied by Princess'
ELiosnartt, and attended by the Countess of IL-
cusarßit, took an airing in a coach and tour in the
neighbourhood of Harrow, Acton, K-nsinßton,
On their return they called at Gloucester House 00
a visit to the Duchess, who, we are rejoiced to say,
was able to take an airing for a short time yesterday.
Yesterday, at two o'clock, a Cabinet Council was
held at the Foreign Office, which was attended by
the LORD.CHANCIILLoit, the Earl of HARROWBY, the,
Earl of WESTMORLAND, Earl of LivaneooL, Viscount
MILVILLE, Mr. VANatiTART, Viscount Sinstomer,
Viscount CASTLItitRAGH, Earl BATHURST, Mr. CAN-
NING; and Mr. C. B. BATGUAST. The Connell con-
tinued in deliberation till half-past three.
How' TaeASON.—The indictment against niet&-
wood, the two /fairest, Preston, and Hooper, as we be-
fore stated, consists of four counts. The third count
is short and comprehensive, for it embraces the facts
scattered through the other counts, compressed into
one substantive form r the charge thus briefly and
comprehensively expressed is called Irv.yiag war. This
Coon/. being short, to shall give it entire :
" :Dar jurors aforesild, upta their oath aforesaid, do farther
'resew, that the said Arthur thietlevrood, James Watson the
eider, Jansen Watson the younger • Thomas Preston, and John
Hooper, being subjects of our „pai Lewd the King, nut having
the tear of Gut its their hearts. noe Welshing the duty of thet.
allegiance, bucking moved and seduced by the instigation of the •
, devil, as false tannin against our said Lord the King, and wholly
withdrawing the love, obediet.ce, fidelity, and altegiance, which
. of. ry true and faithful subject Moor said Lord the King should,
and of tight ought to bear towards our said Lord the King, us,
the said 2d day of December, hi tho's7tit year of rtte reign store-
said, with force and antis, at the saki parish of at. JAM'S, Clerken.
well, stn the said County tit Midadeaex, togetberwith a great soul-
thud,: of false traitor. whose names are to the said Jurors un-
known, to the number of five thousand and snore, arrayed and
armed in a warlike manner, hat is to say, with fia-s, banners,
and assigns, swords, pistols, bludgeons, and other weapons,
being then and there uulawfully, sialiclously, sad traitorously as-
sembled together against our said Lord the King, RUM wickedly,
Maliciously, and traitorously did levy and make war against our
.slid Lord the King ; sad being so assembled together, arrayed,
and armed against our said Lard the King as aforesaid, did then
and there, with great force sod vioknce; parade and march in an
hostife manner through divers pebhc streets and highways, and
did then and there maliciously and traitorousir aturotpt and en-
deavour, by force and arnts, to subvert and destroy the Guerra-
• moot and Cons:notion of Mit real*, as by law established; and
to deprive and depose •oor said Lord the King ut and rrum the.
style, boom's, and kingly DAMS of the imperial Crown of, this
realm iucontenipt of our said Lord the Lug and his laws, to
the evil esanipk'of all others, coutrary so the duty at, the alk-
alinee of them, the said Arthur 'rhistiewood, lame. Waldo,' the
elder,lanies Watson the' younger Thames Preston, -and- /olds
Hdopej; . against she forak'of the swum, La seek caseate& anti
sour and .altairt the PI," our raid Lord the King, his
44(1104.
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