The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1839-09-06 00:00:00

CUSTOM HOUSE COMMITTEE.

•
The report of the above committee was read. It commen-
ced by expressing the satisfaction of the committee at the
completion of the building. It further stated that the same
had been announced to the Lords of the Treasury, and re-
plied to. The committee laid before the council an analysis
of the proceedings in respect to the erection of those
buildings.
On referring to the proceedings of the committee under
the late council, it appeared from the copy of a treasury mi-
nute of the 25th June, 1827, that an arrangement hadbeen
made between the lords of the treasury and the corporation,
for the erection of a building, to contain accomodation for
the department of the customs, excise, post-office and stamp-
office, in consideration of which, the lords of the treasury en-
gaged to pay the sum of £150,000 towards the amount of the
estimate of the said building, viz. £175,000, subject to the
corporation engaging to keep the whole of the said building
in repair for ten years from the time it was declared ready
for use, and, also subject to the payment by the corporation
of all extra expense beyond the amount of the estimate. On
the 19th of January, 1828, the conveyance to the lords of the
treasury, of the site was executed subject to the foregoing
conditions, a previous arrangement having been concluded
between the dock trustees and the corporation, for giving up
the interest in the dock, in condition of the corporation erect-
ing suitable offices for he dock department. On the 21st
March,' 1828, the plans, &c. were approved by the lords of
the treasury. Oa the 12th August, 1828, the first stone was
laid, and at various subsequent periods the contracts for the
work were advertised for and concluded. The first instal-
ment of £25,000 clue from the government in August, 1830,
was duly applied for, the corporation having at that time ex-
pended upward of £70,000 in the erection, and after consi-
derable negotiation, a warrant for the payment of the same
was obtained from the treasury on the 27th July, IE3I, and
the instalment was paid on the 16th August following. On
application for the second instalment, the lords of the trea- •
sury proposed to bring a bill into parliament, authorising the
payment of the remaining £125,000 by instalments out of
the consolidated fund, in consequence of the original treasury
minute not specifying the particular fund from which the
payment was to be made. A bill to this effect was brought
in and received the royal assent on the 24th March, 1832.
Under the authority of this act, the following sums were
paid :—On the 18th Feby. 1832, £25,000, 2nd Feby. 1833,
4:25,000; 31st January, 1834, £25,000; 28th February, 1835,
£25,000 ; alst March, 1836, £20,605 ss, and on the 22nd
March, 1837, £4,393 os, making in the whole the sum of
£149,998 15s, the balance ss, having been retained for
stamps and other charges. In May, 1836, the west way was
delivered over to the board of customs. On the 14th June,
1837, the excise office was transferred to that part of the '

building appropriated to them. On the 7th of May, 1838,
the part appropriated to the post-office was taken pospession
of. The removal of the stamp-office was deferred. The en-
tire, the report stated; was now completed, and the govern-
ment might be considered in possession of the whole build-
ing. In March, 1837, the dock trust took possession oftheir
offices.
The committee submitted the following particulars of the
cost of the whole building ' • Stone and Masons' work,
£123,489 3s 10d • Timber and Joiners' work, £25,662 Os 7d;
Bricks and Brickwork, £44,383 is 3d; Slating and Plas-
terers' work, £5,451 Os lld ; Lead and Plumbing and Glaz-
ing, £5,860 6s 9d ; Ironwork and Ironmongery, £6,624 6s 6d
Excavations and Labourers' work, £9,613 Os 3d ; Painters'
work, £1,753 8s 8d ; Sundry other items, £470 2s 2d ; Mea-
suring, £458 9s 5d ; Architect's Commission, £8,272 19s 7d ;
Clerks of the Works, £1,802 10s. Total, £223,820 Os 11d.
Amount of Estimate submitted to the Treasury, £175,000.
Excess above Estimate, £58,820 Os Ild.
In addition to the above, there is a charge for contingent
expenses, not included in the particulars, amounting to
£20,984 5s 9d. In this the following charges occur : for
loss and damage arising from the bursting of one of the
street sewers in the early stage of the work, £1352 16s ld.
Charge for alterations in the ofices of the Post-office depart-
ment, £6lO 16s. Paid to the Commissioners of Sewers for
paving and flagging, £3119 3s 9d.
By a report of the Architect made in January, 1835, it
appears that the expenses of preparing the foundation
amounted to £64,307 18s Bd. The original estimate for this
work was £13,607 7s 6d. The amount charged exceeds the
estimate by £50,700 Ils 2d.
The proportion of the total expenditure for the government
portion of the building is £200,600 3s ld, and-for. the por-
tion occupied by the Dock Offices £44,204 3s ld ; total,
£244,804 13s Bd. Estimated value of the land £39,000. Total
charge of erection, including value of land, £283,804 13s Bd.
Mr. Jordan congratulated the Council upon the completion
'of the building and of the committee having, at the termi-
nation of its labours, stopped up a sluice which drained so
heavily on the funds of the corporation. lii conclusion, Mr.
Jordan moved that the report should be printed.
Mr. Rathbone said, before the report was printed, he
would suggest that it be referred to the Finance Committee.
The sums were monstrous, and they ought to know how the
money had been laid out, that so little had been got for it.
Mr. Higgins seconded the motion.
Mr. Ramsdell said it would be highly satisfactory to know
how this enormous excess above the estimate had taken
place.
Several of the Council demurred at sending the report to
the Finance Committee, and it appeared that the Custom-
house committee had not ceased to exist, it was decided that
the subject should be undertaken by that committee.
RECEIVING HOUSES FOR DROWNED PERSONS.

The mayor read a letter which lie had received from the
coroner, calling attention to the state of the receiving-
houses in Liverpool, and the great want of proper apparatus
to be used in cases of drowning. The coroner instanced
two cases which occurred recently, where it was presumed
resuscitation might have been effected, if the proper remedial
measures could have been promptly applied. The coroner
had had an interview with Mr. Arnott, inventor of the
heated air bath, a letter from whom, accompanied the coro-
ner's communication. Mr. Arnott stated the cost of his
apparatus to be 255. Mr. Arnott's letter contained several
valuable suggestions.
Mr. Benn said the Dock Committee had three receiving-
houses, and they would, no doubt, have the apparatus sup-
plied to each.
Some communications relative to the Billet Master were
read, and some alterations •in that office were suggested.
It was decided that this department should be placed under
the jurisdiction of the head constable, the Billet Master
being assisted occasionally, by one of the clerks belonging
to the office of the latter.

THE MONKS' FERRY CASE.
A long memorial from the proprietors of the Monks' Ferry
was read to the Council. It set forth that in the year 1835
the memorialists purchased a large plot of land in the town-
ship of Birkenhead, and the shore in front of it down to
low-water mark, which had previously been brought from
Francis Richard Price, the lord of the manor, for the pur-
pose of erecting an hotel and ferry, which they had done,
and thereby promoted greatly the public convenience, hav-
ing, 15y the effect of competition, succeeded in reducing the
fares of passengers. They had, however, been attacked by
Mr. Price and his lessees in two successive actions, the ob-
ject of which was to compel the discontinuance of the new
ferry. The defence of the memorialists was founded chiefly
upon the following. Long prior to the date of the grant or
license of passage which King Edward 111. gave to the monks
of the ancient priory of Birkenhead, which is the foundation
of Mr. Price's title, a more ancient ferry between Liverpool
and Birkenhead had been in existence from time immemorial ;
and this ferry of Liverpool the memorialists clearly proved to
be outstanding in the hands of the subject, Henry, third Earl
of Lancaster, and yielding a revenue at the very time when
the grant or license to the monks bore date ; and that, con-
sequently, the Liverpool Ferry was the elder and superior
franchise. The memorialists, on the trial, traced the history
of this ferry of Liverpool through the successive earls and
dukes of Lancaster in regular devolution to King Charles the
First, from whom it passed to the Earls of Sefton, who sold
and conveyed it, with other posse,sions, to the Corporation
of Liverpool in 1777. The Corporation threw their ferry
open to the public, and have allowed all passengers whatever
to have free and unrestricted use of the shores and quays of
the town, with every convenience which they have from time
to time erected. The memorialists conceived that, in erecting
the Monk's Ferry, they had done no more than they were
justified in doing, both by law and as a natural consequence
of the relinquishment by the Corporation to the public at
large of their franchise of ferry. Nevertheless, it was the
determination of Mr. Price and the Woodside Steam-packet
Company to claim for themselves the exclusive monopoly of
ferry from the township of Birkenhead, thereby defeating the
liberal intentions of the Corporation, to effect which the me-
morialists had been, and still. were to be, harassed by ex-
pensive lawsuits. The memorialists said they sought no
monopoly themselves, and acknowledged no right to such in
Mr. Price or his tenants. In the first instance, Mr. Price
claimed the right of ferryage both ways; the memorialists
have compelled him to abandon it from Liverpool to Cheshire.
The memorialists submitted that the Corporation, by their
extensive ownership of shore, were interested in keeping open
the right of passage to and from that part of Cheshire, and
preventing it from being made the subject of private monopoly.
The Memorialists prayed that the Corporation would take
the matter into consideration, and grant their powerful aid in
securing the objects of the memorialists.
The memorial was referred to,the Finance Committee.
THE WATCH RATE.
Mr. Isaac Holmes brought forward his motion on the sub-
ject of the new bill for levying a watch rate. He said several
individuals who contributed a great amount annually to
these rates had called his attention to this subject. The
contemplated watch rate was sixpence in the pound. He
had consulted the Town-clerk, who gave him to understand
that the rate would be collected. The amount would be
120,000 or £25,000. He understood from the Town-clerk
that this was imperative. He hoped, however, that the Fi-
nance Committee would take the matter into consideration,
and find a loop-hole to escape this payment. This would be
paying too much for reform. They supported the police al-
ready ' • but this would be paying too much for our whistle.
He understood from the Town-clerk that the words, " shall
be lawful," which occurred in the act, meant must be done.
He believed that the churchwardens would not agree to the
rate, but would oppose it by a general meeting of the pa-
rishioners, and much confusion would ensue. He believed
the parishioners were eased of £5OOO or £6OOO per annum by
the Municipal Act. If they were compelled to lay this rate,
it would saddle them with £12,000. or £14,000. per annum
additional. This had arisen from the mushroom boroughs'
which had sprung up, and which were compelled to apply to
parliament for rates. It was a pity that they (the Council)
had not applied before to have Liverpool excepted. He
moved that the subject be taken into consideration by the
Finance Committee. •
Mr. COOPER seconded the motion.
Mr. SMITH (seconded by Mr. T. Harvey) moved, as an
amendment, that the Town-clerk's opinion be taken on the
subject. This was agreed to.
The TOWN-CLERK first stated his opinion that the words
" shall be lawful," in this act, rendered the collection of a
watch-rate obligatory. On the subject of the charge upon
the parish, the Town-clerk said he wished to set Mr. Holmes
right. Before the passing of the Municipal Act, the nightly
watch cost the annual sum of £8527. The produce of 6d. in
in the pound on £805,000. the supposed assessment upon the
parish of Liverpool, after deducting the 10 per cent. was
£20,125. Deduct from this the £8527, for years borne by
the parish ; deduct also the amount paid by the corporation
for cleaning, which was £7OO. beyond the rate ; deduct also
the county rate, £11,500. from which he was released at the
expense of the corporation : less £3500, which left £BOOO,
and they had a total amount of £17,227, which, deducted
from £20,125, left a balance of £2,898. He had not adverted
to the lighting, which gave £lO. in favour of the corporation.
He should also remind Mr. Holmes of the increased advan-
tage in the new system of watching. The Town-clerk pro-
ceeded to confirm his formerly expressed opinion that it was
imperative to lay a rate.
The Council adjourned at a quarter to three o'clock, as a
Quarterly Council. till the first Wednesday in the next month.

MELANCHOLY AND FATAL ACCIDENT ON THE
RIVER SEVERN.-ELEVEN LIVES LOST.

On Sunday last a most melancholy accident, attended with
the loss of the lives of eleven fellow-creatures, occurred at
the Aust Passage across the Severn. It appears that the
steam-boat, which crosses the passage, does not usually ply
on Sundays, consequently those parties who wished to cross
on Sunday ast were obliged to .avail themselves of a small
boat called the mail-boat, and of a passage-boat for carriages,
&c., called the Little Westerfi. The day having been
throughout exceedingly boisterous, the wind blowing a com-
plete gale, produced a very heavy se.a in the Severn, which,
together with the tide, which there runs with extreme rapi-
dity, made it very dangerous for boats to pass across.
At about live minutes after three o'clock in the afternoon,
the mail-boat proceeded from the Monmouthshire side, and
was followed in about ten minutes by the Little Western,
having on board six passengers, five horses, and two carriages,
besides her crew, consisting .of the captain and four men ;
the sea was at that time running high, • and the wind almost
a complete hurricane. The vessel, however, although la-
bouring much, continued to progress towards the destined
shore, until, when about half-way across, a sudden gust of
wind, called a land-squall, took her, carried her on her side,
and the horses, as it is supposed, shifting, she was capsized,
and in a few moments she filled with water, and went down,
every soul on board perishing with her. The mail-boat bad
at this moment reached the beach on the English side, and
as her passengers were ascending the beach, they hap-
pened to turn round, when they saw the unfortunate vessel
dismasted, and in a sinking condition ; they uttered an ex-
clamation, and in the space of a minute, while they wer-
still gazing, the unfortunate boat went down. The made
boat instantly put off again, to endeavour to save the lives
of some of the unfortunate passengers, but without avail,
being unable to reach them, and being herself in imminent
danger of being swamped, so heavy was the sea. One or
two of the passengers were seen for a moment struggling
with the waves, but they soon sank to rise no more. The
mail-boat succeeded in reaching two of the horses, but from
their plunging they were unable to tow them to shore, and
therefore abandoned them to their fate, after loosening their
bridles to give them an opportunity of swimming freely;
the poor creatures, were, however, all drowned.

Itn was the intention of Mr. R. Blewitt, M.P., to have
crossed by the boat, but that he was tco late.
Two of the bodies were picked up on Monday morning,
and the bodies of the horses have been washed ashore at
Beechly Cliff.

The Countess of Aboyne, whose death has carried mourn-
ing into so many noble families, was the eldest daughter of
the late end sister of the present Marquis of Conyngham.
Her Ladyship, whose Christian names were Elizabeth Hen-
rietta, was born in the year 1799, and on the Ist of March,
1826, was married to the present Earl of Aboyne, then Lord
Strathavon, the eldest son of the Marquis of Huntly. Lord
Aboyne has no family, and the heir presumptive to the titles
of his house is his brother, Lord George Gordon, in holy
orders, and unmarried.
HEYwoon.—Chartism appears to be almost at its last gasp
here. During the last ten days, pikes have frequently been
found in pits and ditches, where they had been thrown by
their owners, and the people appear to be thoroughly ashamed
of the delusion into which they have been lately led by artful
demagogues. Even their favQurite journal, the Northern
Star, has been scouted, and one Job Plant, a quondam char-
tist preacher, has given notice in his chapel, that he intends
to preach a funeral sermon over the defunct " cause of char-
tism" and the convention. We rejoiced to find that the good
sense of the people has again prevailed.—Manchester
Courier.

MANCHESTER ELECTION•

nA.
NOMINATION OF THE CANDID--wedaTEeal!f
The nomination of candidates took place on A
last. Sir George Murray and his friends arriveTaattef
Amongst them we noticed George Clarke, Esq., pr.esiloas
the Conservative Association ; James Wood,
Townend, Esq. ; 'William Garnett, Esq• ;J. • .109 v
Tbe
Esq. ; Richard Birley, Esq. ; Hugh H. Birley, e's`let.
Heald, Esq. ; Edmund Buckley, Esq. ; ''TbotaPsc4
fianneelxddth,wiashnfodriai‘erinrrdi.vseT,dihnocomlnuadstihnieg, hustings were Colonel es Seh°'
the last. Amongst themie
Cobden, Mr. Kershaw, Mr. E.-Armitage, and a nd
the
others. EN.' •
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Shortly after nine o'clock, Thomas Evans, . ot 5,
boroughreeve, stepped forward and said, that by '''ern'e-31101
precept dated the 28th ult., this meeting bad Eb;iwia to
f
agreeably with a proclamation made the daY I°. °Nola
nominate a member to serve in parliament, in the oil )tr'
the Right Hon. C. P. Thomson. He then called °P°
Milne to read the precept on behalf of the ix/rot-10e
constables.
Mr. E. C. MILNE having read the precept, „ail rc'
The BOROUGHREEVE then said he should firs' yea eve'l
He trust
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the mover and seconder of Mr. Greg.
speaker would have a fair and patient hearina% (
fusion was the worst thing that could possibly occuereeding'
public business, for it only served to protract the Pre,thece"'
and answered no useful purpose. (Hear, hear.) ae affair?'
duct of the people of Manchester had, on all pubael iota
been unexceptionable, and he trusted they would, begged to
Be De6b
that character during this contest. (Cheers.)
tit
call upon the proposer of the first candidate. as • ac
Mr. KERSHAW proposed R. Hyde Greg, -r-„sl.,'„at. "„
and proper person to represent them in parl'aniir, Gre,';
entered at some length on the qualifications of al of 0,
and represented him as being in favour of the rep ~.0 tio
corn laws, vote by ballot, and all other kinds of e.,.,
could benefit the working classes. The speech of l'be
shaw was by no means palatable to the electors, auit down'
frequently interrupted, and at length compelled to $
amidst cries of " Off, off!" Oreg.
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Alderman COBDEN seconded the nomination 0 - kat°,
Hear
It was some time before he was able to address the e_teasol
He said that Mr. Greg was favourable to a more e;%l acess
and a better distribution of the suffrage—that he
therefl
reformer long since, and had assisted in carrying totaedit,
bill. Sir George Murray was a soldier, and ace"'like
the camp; but he should prefer a man that had,
(wade
Greg, been born and bred amongst them. He retire
very general hissing.
THOMAS FiaantN, Esq., proposed Colonel Thla's ft;
stating that the colonel was a radical reformer lifethe
annual parliaments, vote by ballot, the repeal 0
poor law bill, against the factory bill, &c. &e• , „flea
Mr. CONDY seconded the nomination, aunt,'" then Ihr';
opponents of Col. Thompson " humbugs." He:; jot
dulged in a strain of coarse and vulgar abuse ag
of
other candidates. a.arde°
GEORGE CLARKE, Esq. the senior churcaa
Manchester, nominated Sir'Geore Murray. , (I
Mr. JAMES Woon, in seconding the nominati°,°,,eaferre,„
pungently to the insult which Lord Melbourne iode'''
upon the morality 'of the country by introdueni,g tan. to
advocate of infidelity and socialism a virgin lat°'
to tas Air.
A discussion ensued as to the right of Mr.. 'cli
address the electors on behalf of Mr. Greg, n v_'.,,:eteow
JAMEhsowCeovPeP:geeKeaofheLaornindgo.n, took part. Mr.not, Al"i:
ato
Colonel THOMPSON spoke at considerable log '
much cheered. was re'
ey
Sir GEORGE MURRAY then stood forward, .
trio
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ceived with most vehement cheers, which were I.ai .rn sa;
repeated. He spoke as follows—l am quite i.Le.‘„aose 3u0,1
dress you, and lam the more anxious to begin, than nth
have been already detained much longer I been,believe w,he
'probably expected to be. My idea has always a
regard to a nomination, that it was intend to alf,°,,re aoatiLli
candidate an opportunity of clearly explaining tn l'adoeire,
tuency of the place he seeks to represent what Ins Ge 0.0.0
are upon questions of public importance. (Chee',.., the toe
men, I have listened with the closest attentio" a,
speeches made by the gentlemen upon my
endeavoured to ascertain from those speeches win' waitt°3to
ciples are of the absent candidate. Ido not 101'w,,,, ahleria,
have been the case with you • but I have not ',)ejc,
make out any distiact view whatever with regaratiadersa'ao
ciples of that gentleman. IHear, bear.) I a the 811;e0
gentlemen, from the gentleman who proaqse • ptiOacti
candidate, that his principles were whigprinoplesf wss ;lot
the gentleman who seconded him came forward, i bat ar.)
to understand that they were not whig ar, Vito
right Wilt the Pie)'
they were the principles of a rational radical. ("let-taeliel'o,
Gentlemen, I chi not know what meaning is t° be, cara°„,gele
trbthat new
Isehcatveolfispteonlietdiciatonsti)ivehospeseeceiTesto ;iere
upon my left hand, and they were frank, clieaiirc,',P,adi:er°3lietr;
forward. (Cheers.) There is no possibility 0; cer, `are'
standing, or making any doubt or difficulty wl'a`e left "01
what the principles of the gallant Colonel upon licttefo,
He has avowed them frankly, and in plain and (lis'at posEd le
he told you what his objects are, so that you sand that to
mistake his principles. Gentlemen, I understan face 1/4 re
those whom he is disposed to make his constituo en"baa,;,
gret therefore extremely the absence of Mr. Gr,eagiaavegsat
probably had he been here, in person, he Ive°'
plained his principles with equal clearness tliat wa the
ll' 1
colonel has. (Hear, ...hear.) Now, gentlemen, 'heal d
ceed to tell you what my principles are. (le°',titatilitO,
will not detain you upon the subject of the en°',otee
the country, because I will take it at once for
we are all here supporters of a limited inonarcliya,nt (ulna
I will say this—and so far I agree with the o,l' a
man on my left hand—that lam not what is o'4o.o'o'l
man. (Cheers.) Ido not know what finality in „8 trate „
lation. (Hear, hear, hear.) I will venture too u'rat
rirt/
meaning. Suppose any capitalist here were rest se.°
°)
piece of machinery for the purposes of airy grt aalea'
do any of you suppose, that if any improveneyes )I'oll
tended, he would not adopt it? (Cries of -
Of I'li erf
And if that principle is applicable to the purenl
machinery, I say it is applicable to the 0,,e,
of the state. (Cheers.) Therefore, there neve,roy
my estimation, a possibilit of the leaislature, 81,siaetioal
passing any act which theYare to la 'down as 3 "„..v 410
regard to the political constitution yof the coun"...atei see
cheers.) I will now say a word, if you will alllaatlei3l,t
regard to the poor-law. (Hear, hear.) ThFostei„,,,
imntwthoayiatsst
aaatthfs
earailtvle opinionnaea
crdpetptfialorsi thebalabksl
applicable
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upon my right. hand have endeavoured to
have been at all times decidedly apposed to tllar,`-t). o'll'e;tee
cia-thwt haes
yhaarnsdh openly,
amendment act. ,t. ,
,fat lay aa,
would be if I were separated from my fatnitY „aoi
pahrieceitil. le
lefl;:eve'al"°til'iirda°l
arty
and I can conceive what would w . feelingsbljutphkoennotvb stvstfe,3l4 rtirct fte'e'er
under such circumstances. (Immense cheer sea coo'
if you plea' i'ove
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another clause, gentlemen, affecting the fen'ai.uat.
whichheeriss.)extriewmielllynoh,,avrsphroacnedede,xtremely ?.e. to ;,;aa
upon the corn laws. My opinin is this. We, returi)Orlii.
it stated upon my right that if Mr. Greg wer-ertWthiel:i
would be an advocate for perfect free trade all oes.)
(Hear.) That is more than I will be. (Chieearer the, 01,,
that if we were to establish the principle all <3'oo e' for
you would have articles of the natural prod° . eoPf thef
country, or the productions of foreign indust,r,,,), out
here and driving the productions of your ind"'"a'arirc,4l,e'vt
market. (Hear, hear.) To that extent of tt't
free trade to which the gentlemen upon pry rig. age n<tbl:
pledged their absent candidate, I will not PT _try '
all, because I conceive every branch of l°"au:
country should have such a protection to " ,aainstb-rae,7
balance of interest to our own countrylve°7verY ) of
dustry of foreigners. (Cheers. I think Oa; Irtaseioce"?
of industry at home ought to be)protected. (Alldaersto
branch of industry ought to have an undue Prel, aiveiloater!.;
protection ; there should be no snore protecnola.atae..t teit,
one branch than is necessar telly just t owaras, jet at st,',
(Loud cheers.) Now I will ou that I consr;atacr,r; tia„`
manufactures ; and I will tell you,
greatness of this country is founded ulien can, fair isJ
gentleiniftice.,
reason, that if any system of laws or any raulierattl.)
is introduced which will tend to drive coy
rs cot;eer.e.
manufactures out of this country, that laic• 11°a
to the interests of this country. (Ilear..alt°loibero'r
With regard to the corn-laws, all that the agil'etion i-sfe 'et
the smallest right to expect is that same Pr°te wet' cre'ti
industry which commercial and manufacturiaa.e, to ala sa,
theirs. (Cheers.) They have no right what° ~aien oclesblio
degree of protection than is given to their fellollleeo
branch of industry. (Cheers.) Allusion Basil e dn',";
the idea of capitalists being obliged to go abro , , drive
manufactories. If there be any law which slue be rePelroit.,
capital of the country out of it, that law ought. ito twobatlite;e
because the industry of the country is divided are. to
i 0
the capitalist and the operative. (Hear.) pes'seati"t
sential to the industry of the country. It is 0,1 thL'it
country that capital should be set in motion, wlla" i,of
should be given to the labour of the operatireas'o cal?' aVis,
sential that both should be protected, otherw,l,‘ laq
no use. (Cheers and cries of " Cheap bread.)) Jo.`al
was desirous of having cheap bread. (fleaartiressi'gto°loa
that lam confident those whorai I an-I ~;astlY rare at
along with me in declaring they will not aetau,t;" eoalla of 11: se
any branch of industry amongst our °"ao elas'
(Cheers.) Let us all be protectd, and letld ebee'so,
be protected more than another (Hear, 3
eaulitt;theere
have had mention made of
Ille question of
.eit teifthe,
Voice: The corn-laws.) ave alrcadY j shy to hit
and I have always held the same language' tendilY, fir'
should exist any law, or any system et laws.i.„ aOOO io
press the commerce and manufactures of tnif uerierP
law, or that system of laws, is injurious to the
lass g-
ests of the country.. (Cheers.) corn' aeo
• triAtalt
A VOICE: What would o with the
Sir GEORGE MURRAY: There has been ~0, trot- :eg.
tlemen, a system of fluctuating duty upon e,°_'whoia,,„artaea
tem, I dare say, was very well meant by tho-eardsao4,
it, but it has been found to act injuriously tn:S alit)? r'tect't,
It has been said that there ought to be a tix,en to ePt Peter
of a fluctuating duty, (hear,) but lam quire ,m-daty if deli i 6 •
in favour of a fixed duty. Let it be a iixeu,,a,t ssi
ter, but let there be no duty•greater than t"" of
the interest of commerce and agriculture.
raa
, I
A VOICE; How much duty ?
a.pri leine'''anca),)
Sir GEORGE MURRAY ; "MY, t have -
pledge myself exactly to answer that. 1,
in this manner. I have already stated naathe,o nu-at
ciples are, and I have endeavoured to makeeiL differer. :Tfe
I have a great many different questions
ferethe 0000
()Itiestiolej Weir
which I will endeavour to answer one rifle,
,oa apt oe
gentlemen, I have already stated, that
leave to go on, I will readily answer data; adver d
be put. The gentleman on my right frieu..,,aado
n go.- •
question of education. I have always been
question of education. I have al° that the I oitY,rbare
cation. I have always been of opinion, tu coon that poi
ledge that is distributed throughout thdeesite is, tati,geot,
better it will be for the country. All I rt fr°lll:ll)ert''
should not be a system of intellectual aliclood arll33,7o':gat,
education. I think that would not be. a g that t,,,a0 01.01
or one founded at all in truth and justeie..e'bers
osf thee ste
ment should have a certain number niXaanahe'ers, gjaati.4
and no doubt would, instruct the risine,,le teach f Ole 'poll,'
munity in their own principles. Tl,lie-taind' °to the,ghicr
aware, might be desirous of training tine minas
ccr'"
tical principles and o
in the country in a particular bias, awl r'arooent ,"), a 0 a(';
they might be placed. Ido not care wn that n;the viers
merit be Whig, Tory, or Radical—I °f.tYdiverti°a, oistjaaert
pinions a that govi%ther sti Pod
vernment can here be a power given °`_.aort of
in this country tinto any particular bias earlie toid.'s oav
that it is not the object of educatiorne . 10,0,01'
tion isithe general improvement of • for a ‘Lotel.:
not to haste any thing to do with PethL:y rTgli.!' lee re,
topic which occupied the gentleman oua attacii_jea
derable length of time—and that was an 0„
I attack no party. You ought to
ter
actions and not by any irnputation,sw..: a,, a . ao,
other persons. Ministers have a., ‘ll.iiieto eiea ac-eaftlf,
th-gthrow
duty to perform, and you must ffiivie.,
it is Dor pOre up to
labours. If they say what you tilaat to di°3ll • t° ire ina•
with the constitution, you have a ria raoet,traiab
.cry
conduct—a right, in a constitutioU'noas or t:nioe the'
them. lam not here to ask the entembeard tii;ei.a
the professions of any man. havaofession.aho en_ to
tions made with regard to my oven Prac wan ;sass in a,t
hardly merit an answer. I thick t"
~a 00 that
service of his country as tha" y o'
ashamed of that profession. I to wie iiairo,
forming the duties which have
at,;_i-e`i. to try fr°loy Plod
a soldier lot in t
profession, my object has been r° coon wa
• csu jero- aro
destroy," and, in preserving ni)vrbiaa I er
vation,—that is the only way in vas a Pr°l taat to
fession, which the gentleman said blut a trusto
no other object than to destroy its 'object -
fession which has protection for I

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' has bee
'lino earns to Mangy};Ved that I have been taking lessons
ele talc,' , ester. It is never too late for any
tA. lessons. to °3neh • I have not been in any mill since
.1
irate to you
este. The gentleman also did me the credit
see' tiosi and that I did not know the distinction between
h.SOI,
treat to be wool. Why, if the gentleman sup-
s"s'elta sa,ti oe the case he would suppose that I never
ttscetey` of stockings' in my lire. These are matters
sire o„te'al:e no influence ils altering *your jidgment, a.nd
sa -'I 1011 1
litil fte objetLica lee upon them for the purpose of taking
sieet°,llsei 1. a which you would to them. Now, gen-
ief igeorasea.3_7 a word if you please in regard to another
tri.`4 rite. i;!,__,?.pf which the gentlemen on my right have
. s oieset ',otil.l came here I did not know what blue
• .Ine publiu put in regard to that subject, my notion is
''vecl by t, tranquillity of thelace will be much better
fll the eene inhabitants of district than by persons
it to .eeretarY of State. Now, gentlemen, if you once
isin,_to, establishment of an army of police all over
•1? eoegbetieder the disposal of the Secretary of State for
' • cl a p
oPaltrnent, you will consent to the establish-
.-:'"of oi wer which will be hardly consistent with the
7lsek Gee"ntrY• lam for local authorities-for local
. Lere oppernen, there has been unfortunately intro-
' elßagatot,,tate a charter of incorporation. I will say
'eCrown`'ithe authority- that is established on tbe part
hates:' °tit, at the game time, I will bear in mind
s''t
mat rests is done by the Crown, the responsibility
;•,:oreany?euest-tsioriss.ith the ministers of the Crown. The
etbet ur way not be valid. lam not competent to
All I know is, that we are sensible of
'o,beeaune,e having resulted from it in reference to the
;',aPPointite we
find that two authorities have been act-
sat thee g a day of nomination and a day of election,
eaeh eth`o !wit) authorities have been acting differently
as to tor, and thus we are left in a sort of uncer-
, The bon authority which can give validity to your
• ',,Paree t °• and gallant candidate then stated that he
, "aeladed 0.. anes.wer any questions that might be propoged,
,ee so einiest loud cheers.
e•r G, meuhitere called out, "The suffrage!,
t'fjelltate his 611.4,1' I I have beard the gallant colonel on my
Nee Prist„plion that he was anxious to go forward with
iteienges,
wv,,, and that he was anxious to introduce seve-
ared tuldi he stated distinctly to you. Nov, lam
:liest, eir quite so fast• as my brother officer on
qthalaadi- .`"Pelause.) It appears to be, gentlemen,
t't e, snsVter try for a little while longer tbe working is,:teree'nerY which has been recently constructed for
'' o ..--vrp
44, 4 aty ,ream 4eht of the country, before we attempt to
Is; szl,t or new change. I have no objection to
ioeseNise,',l. is brought forward after due examination
ste ga _ ...owe
I tilt .st„dly
f; and I am not prepared to say that I
44 1' gaii orward with that sort of steam velocity
tettPersom ant friend on my left would do. (Applause.)
koll'ibieh'iZl, gentlemn, the ballot would not have the
yt it e. °se who are its advocates have expected from
14 (ke°:iid not conceal the way in which any man had
k tik't r:Ptallse.) lam much more inclined to a frank
'So sfa‘owal r
14, - ban °' a man's vote at the hustings, than tothe
Ss 'tine °t• (Great applause.)
„I'.e„Soe--0„II,I You vote for household suffrage ?
14e,.,,1iit any „e'u.: I,•e.-ill not vote, at present, for the introduc-
L'hinePrXern cre",allge, until there has been a full trial of
L'it`tat ' ""°se men who were most active in este-
NOs, hay sYstem of the law which now regulates our
irt."4l, in e any their opinion, that if the reform bill
ekkir4l4ieilataeni respect, to realise all the advantages that
Neoteet ' from it, it has been the result of the bad
4 of the party who are in power. (Great ap-
tts r*
/o
1'16.46• 3tlngs wrlxoett then came forward in front of
iir-r!'s to 'e•and intimated that he wished to put some
etlti,esouu? George.
444 tine/. Very well, Mr. Nightingale, you put the
~,: NtGlur will answer them.
eitfaseerNGALE : I want to know from Sir George, if
sere the °f that part of the poor law which enacts
skire'lloto,r2:e.h man gives away many votes, the poor
I:4tl::'°lie give one?
tsrOee 1, ' am quite prepared, and quite desirous,.
,`tei lah aor law should be revised. If it can be im-
va
fit};e
gt\e-artr.at
1-s co "Id re' neer . e glad for it to be so ;if it cannot, I •.ii, 141%. With
(es ray 'reliant friend on my left to return to
applause.) The cause of its introduo-
ersNet abuses which had arisen, in some places,
ile eth ~ strati°, f , •
se ) but o the old law ;(a voice, " But not in
el'e ten, I believe those abuses arose, not out of the
to '°l the law itself, but out of its mal-adminis-
se • :so
SY, '°o'rt•-
'',.• Irh thinGAL • 1 svarf- to know from you, most clis-
11' totse . • i-
s,, slon are in favour of the rich man having
ttir'''itar) Parochial matters, than the poor man.
1/2 G
eqtloitt9tlll)4 'of i erely state this, that lam anxious to-
'..littee 'awElizabeth, if I find that I cannot satis-
'se rove te
,o 4 et: is of es e present act. I have unders.tood. that,
lzabeth r
and
Bourne made no alteration in the
+, r. e I have no objection to return to that
i*:'t.t.."°lrete
I,ltet et one ALE : You made the new Poor.law Amend-
. Ar Y' v•liesh'°ar Principal topics : I want to know, most
sleet oaee
_el. You are for tinkering up that act, or are
t7liftklii,tesot
:reltiiilraning to the wise act of the 43d Elizabeth ?
Isthrl;h4eilisdeeesi re tOregent orige(slrt,tief
the
eker u
law ispbaad. But I
ete,"-ChaenZats-KocIt!Iodo• I say that a man. who asks to be sent
ktit:l:,,-nt u sitate his general principles ; but should
' koreat
~'ere unfettered with regard to his particular
ihre r vote Vaose.) I have never given a pledge on a
I..Nlealar D'rr tit I have always been willing to give apledge
,Sftteotottele tt oil)! es.
~:hil,;;.;'d as tTh'G'"-41 i Let us know, Sir George, should you
!tat,,"llg ill e member for Manchester, and any member
s-4 Gtr booko,
thebill for abrogating entirely for erasing from
le iisa Lace • Poor-law, will you vote' for that motion?
k„,es %woes% puthere, now, I am very glad that this pies-
itSeing exal, because it gives me the opportunity_of
lbshiPare.edY my views with regard to the duty ot.a
IN te
ale:
auent. As to the House of Commons, it is
IN e'l by 'ealblY• The man who goes there should go
NtaothereCnY pledge as to his particular votes. He
Vt. ).leese.o deliberate, not with his mind made up.
l4lno,L'oliele!
'''', IN'. for -,GIIALE ••• Should a measure be brought into
',1:oil
that,kie them orten the duration of parliaments, by
r 0 , annual or triennial, what course will yore
tee,. toeesaestion s
Ge_'"llloef4:a,:-,,1t appears to me, gentlemen, that this is a
6 4 ,tiy the same nature as the last. Applause.)
trAklk 41Y., altil! literiod which intervenes between. ele_ctions
i 41,4,4;age, paur,. theoretically, -I think you will find, that,
I;o`6i\ lq parka
do not last more than threes ears,
%*L 414 1,14 IN„
14er,," b -4'l•E i What course would you pursue should
,ecti:leote rre°lll:ghs into the House of Commons, praying
,„,,b •)eeti the sentences passed upon the Chartists
,i,-r,lectlite'et to prison, likewise praying
.ber Il_lajesty
01: sup le reen that are in gaol on similar charges,
it th .ttl)°l.t the
y" Pr' I prayer of such petition
rer ieete, have always pursued and always will plir-
'ili4DetitiWth Pj. of being ready to present any petition
„'41,,k st e beel'neli am entrusted, only taking care that
's! te Lkie b. g eeuched in sch terms as to ensure its ar-
itq eta Presoar of the housesof summons. lam always
Yenesl f- fie any such' etitiozi. All I think is, that
"011,;ri°g C',ll in this copuntry, who conceive that they
AN ,e"a of ,111,"er grievances, and who proceed to obtain
ketrakit,:u°se grievances' in a constitutional manner,
isr,;,, ho;) Geri:, disturbance, have a right to be heard.
t',lpLet)ftke.ry 10„latices must be very heavy, and redress
y4•T to sis i„dug refused, before I troulel recommend the
e,. thyr.icailistrious manufacturing country to have re-
-4,,,Neu10e ft'*ce. (Applause.
%t`l oicais foi, • Should a bill be brought before the House
Asefini.:",siso el°,l)owering Lord John Russell to force his
`'•l`Gt't wet' "ie metropoliten police, into She country,
ss Sty rot, You pursue ) "
oti obi p, T .
"re Y ufeetie, 4,. think the sentiments I have expressed,
t's krwer Bt° the principle of centralization will pretty
1,,,,N 'e are what has been Useful put to me. libelid.ve the Lon-
t. tae in in London ; but lam in favour o.f
Nlietit, 4o,we hsech a community as this, instead of their
4 Lit '"illie, 1 et„ Yr the Secretary of State for r the Home De-
Irei',4 the `avourable to that mode of preserving the
eies.aesetoen--- Country. Let it be preserved by the exer-
'irwhtietia:tetill,g.:titti,,ereesfideobpylea, just administration of the law,
o.llleli '',l'llllity'll by education, and the diffusion
_erstand that their own real interests
,11_«e or, ther...:_pf the country are inseparably connected
setert or Oece .kAnOlause.) Then, gentlemen, there
ti lse the '3''lty t;Jr sending a metropolitan police into
tifi;ltidlil, thateiilitry. (Applause.) I have already said,
r, 4; IN 13
arii, , (.0 not like the idea of having a sort of ci-
,,_. ettlLett.ol., the arm-
y of the Secretary of State, and
Nei, th4aeto, (Great applause.)
isteioNitilel I teseirE -There is one question more, Sir
elQ,liel& Red ‘..pat to you. You must be aware_ tahsatena
t, 4,',6•4 0f.6 egsl !,;Actious party have endeavoured to t
thtttor the )10‘,narter of incorporation, whereby the in-
tl'lteild o't?oal boa ugh will be heavily taxed, to support
ta_na
Ole its 0;. reerek 01 men, hateful to us.in their. despoani_
Vae.) idler_ Hateful from their being !Tined d 'tie ttot Wili though sworn to act as civil officers.
tktr, ° the opose any measure that may be
s)ite• tei house top make this illegal charter a legal
Vt 4 ° il.:lliev •
s e valid:-Gentlemen if there by any doubt with
Tab' eee ity or
t. (51. •11.11 of. 1. , the charter that doubt must
..b,er
kr,'"ert • (e of art
'IT- Gentlemen, lam no advocate ts 04,11 to Voice . ::),ration ;it may be right or it may be
6, r'i'g
theraet'
chatl is uncalled for.") I say when the
ie'°'l47thsge crew, , rter of incorporation to any place
t htoe note eet„ 4 snp-Uld fslly ascertain that the prevalent
1`,1; . g 011,111untty is for one. (Applause.) There
'it It 4noattet'ir Whateeer left on the question. It should
slth°4 th(alle no°f doubt whether a community wish it or
s,;Settloree„Part otfbte granted unless there is a decided wish
kip 4.41 Thoihreevet?.F community. (Applause.
is44e,_rot„42lisoe,o Pen, in compliance with the demand of
eloe efoeh eae".2ends, required a declaration of quail-
-44.-Teh array uktidate, which was accordingly made by
'''S`rt'los,"' fray, and Col. Thompson.. Mr. Greg's was
01,. of Of h leOrning
kt, •t: Ir c‘ 4rtils w •
'1,,1/4.) 'eorge eeas then taken, and declared to be in
ten , the • lies 1 e esurray
'l4etiri:hoTts.es tle"eiirr,_as the representative, and Mr.
_Alder.-.
ystt eett, am Ayeroser, of Mr. Greg, demanded a poll
.'ln opt th°O behurie 11,ornas Fielden, we believe, de-
toLe err
(atilt,
~,g
sColonel Thompson.
N,R0.„,,,i_:,,,r,,, 1,61,14.:;!
steoctohnedellobryoujohlr.evheonovnstohne.
.o‘..!llii_ela,ss
(1) said he believed a better disposeq or
•,,„11,`3,r hi: Pe01.,1 PPetile did not •t in the united' king-
,-1, 1,1, '° col, ee of exist
atic(keed. tegne, antichester. He thanked them on
lege terminated
himself.
erminated at twenty minutes before three
,‘'..'‘lA,,.aftl,4lliilti'lti4l. Le01::::t3T
nINO---T.ELLIGENCE.
!Its tsirt o'clock ,s,„ ,
kYf th• eri 0 Clock, ThurBday Evening.
rning, the Mayor, escorted by. a
Vt4',ki,,, rh:, w °rs, proceeded to the hustings, in St.
tse;sq here a few persons had assembled. His
Ailtt ly, `lltled ereeePt, and subsequently Alderman
tkil (llereir G Y John Pr' inated R. H.
IF-It 4ti ", li:s e°"ge AturFZeS,Vas Snextnairmkinate_d
sby
t«, 04 fe4 of t''' aad see°
ees't oe, sco,
,he Pro__
ended by H. B. NA/an lin,
...E;aq• ,' Vet Laiew,'• l'honi eeeaings, a person named Dse.d n,
'ae• q'lle 'edge the ola, who was absent. He said he ‘s 'ls re 'rote auth •
lizet!,thek h,_ st aes,authority of the Mayor, and again
ti,teNei 04:Irony 6otnne°s! My. Greg. Neither the Colonel_
t, et. 1, 'le oh ioe to t, Lc, ieturn thanks for them. On
e ire ‘Re ow _e ne electors a larger body being as-
Ito,rtice 4 th:fet,e: IOU) herldl was 'in favour of Sir George
-4i ft* Cir's'etors I,,e,e,rlng the Hon. Baronet proceeded
kl/4kll •0 r t to-cei
rg . ,e.Ol. e sepriaerinan Brooks then demanded. a
fr. soY ie tiovo,_, eseeedings, which were only in-
stSe'reajhe ~, ,g_iasted until about eleven o'clock.
L: },,of etie;°riiing ill: Pt °LNG.
!s-ii,s, cslk ee:, ear 31144 att °.,wn presented a scene of bustle
% tsl evie`Y made `puke spuosenaing a contested election. The
iese, rio4eet ,ade es e with confidence of success, and
I y:, the eoweelereat deal of vain boasting. It soon
tl•refele,,,c fresew7ur, that Sir George must win if sup-
; !y tip, 4 °'eloeVrillMPhant state of the poll was
t Ilpile,er th Sir George Murray, 783; Mr.
514441'4 38, eaP°lling co
kki, 1,60,4,, IQ seei,„ trunenced, Colonel Thompson's
iit,lt a,ll, mere the _ '-',, that there was not the slightest
tl,4i t,,
that
whi eased
eti2iatter in despair. The contest was
4t2...r?ti1444,4t tipartieusergY and determination by the con-
eipee 7ere 'lrs wseaand the latter soon began to evince
11 t„' k„.eeetk fi7_ fOriOrn hope. Vehicles of every
Ni: 4q,,area 4:?s_about
Whigthe town. At half-past
Alr qeer qttillber,°`c the party had gained some
A., ge A., s, and the result was as follows :-
reg, A litray
.'
lyt '' • ' • .... 2607
, .
.....
........
'ON 430 s • • .............
Si Ay fock„
A e4IT s
r, 2502
Sir Goo ...... 105
' Sir George Murray addressed the

TO CORRESPONDENTS.

We are obliged to defer our " Literary Notices" until
Tuesday.
Our promised remarks upon Mr. O'Connell's sayings and
doings at Dublin shall likewise appear on Tuesday. We
perceive from the Dublin Evening Mail of Wednesday
that he has again been at his dirty work. He shall not
escape our notice.
The Dublin Statesman is again missing. How is this? The
Standard is duly forwarded to our contemporary's office.
We have been requested to correct an error in the report of
the Council Proceedings which appears in a contemporary
of yesterday. Mr. Cooper is made to say, that a certain
person, whom he alluded to in his speech, was " brought
up as a clerk and a blackguard :" what he dtd say was,
that the said person had been " an agent or clerk in allay-
:yard."

ebe I.lbrrpool

FRIDAY MORNING, SEPTEMBER 6, 1339.

Our acute contemporary, the Spectator, has analysed
the new ministerial arrangements with his usual ability;
and the one which certainly deserves (as it has received
at his hands) the most severe criticism, is the shameless
appointment of Mr. Poulett Thomson to the Govern-
ment of Canada. Mr. Poulett Thomson to supersede
Sir John Colborne, one of the first of British Gene-
rals and the ablest of public servants ! As well, in
case of war, might Lord John Russell supersede the
Duke of 'Wellington at the head of the Queen's
armies I

The whole affair too has been conducted in so very
absurd a way. We dO not pretend to be precisely
aware what amount of jobbing the Liberals of Man-
chester may require at the hands of their Ministerial
member, though from certain bills and Private Com-
mittees, we do not doubt they taxed him to the utter-
'nest ; but it is really too preposterous for a man to re-
sign the representation of a • town on the score of ill
health, and therefore accept an office of the highest
dignity, of the utmost difficulty, and whose territorial
dimensioi:s are almost illimitable. What Lord Dur-
ham (that pride of the Liberals) could not effect, in all
the plenitude and majesty of his Dictatorial power,
Mr. Thomson is to achieve, and sets forth to the
achievement, because he has been found unfit for any
occupation whatever on this side the water. We re-
member nothing with which we can compare this very
ludicrous shuffle of the cards, except the well-known
story of Sir James Lowther and his county voter.
That celebrated man was canvassing his canny friends
in Cumberland, when one of them, in barter for his
support, required that Sir James should see to the
worldly advancement of his two sons; and after secur-
ing (as he imagined) .sonie place of great dignity, and
requiring some talents, for the elder and abler—we be-
lieve it was the woolsack—when Sir James asked what
he would wish for the younger, "Oh !" he replied,
"he's but a dull child, Sir Jeems ; maybe you'll just
see and make hiM Archbishop of Canterbury." Upon
this principle, we suppose, Lord Melbourne, when he
had given places on this side the sea to the towering
intellects of Jesuit Wyse and the monosyllabic Gor-
don, driven to his wits' end what to do with the mem-
ber for Alanchester, cried out at last, in sheer despair,
" Oh ! he's but a stupid noodle : please your Majesty
he'll do to govern America."
Without, therefore, quite believing all we hear and
read either of Yankee adroitness or the knavery of
Canadian habitans, we have not the smallest doubt
whatever that either the one or the other would prove
far too 'cute for the homespun member for Manches-
ter. Dull, impertinent, and forward fribble, in his
younger days, he used to measure his strength against
the.might of Huskisson, and twaddle his theoretical
commonplaces against the practical views of that en-
lightened statesman. But in spite of all that we should
have prognosticated from the first, and all that experi-
ence has now taught the disappointed liberals, it can-
not be by possibility denied that, if Mr. Poulett Thom-
son had capacity for anything, it was for Trade, which
had been the business of his life. As to Canada, he
knows no more about it than he does about the moon,
and, we dare say, has scarcely ever heard or read the
name of Canada except in connection with Baltic Tim-
ber, or some other question of duties and Free Trade.
And then to put Mr. Sheil into the Vice-Presidency,
who knows just as much aboth Trade as Mr. Thomson
does about. Canada. Lord Melbourne is a wag, and as
it is said he is heartily tired of his own equivocal posi-
tion, and has tried in vain to escape from it by any se-
rious measures, his next move may be so to form his
cabinet that it may fairly be laughed and hooted from
the field in a storm of sheer derision.

As to the other appointments : We have long ago
noticed the only one worthy of much attention—
viz., the elevation'of Mr. Rice, and the appointment of
Mr. Baring in his room. The former gentleman had
the absurd assurance to retreat, under a flourish of
drums and trumpets in the Queen's Speech, too pre-
posterous to endure a single comment, and had the
ill-luck to have his patent erroneously announced in
the Gazette. This was a curiously unfortunate mis-
take : since he was announced as of Brandon, in the
county of Sligo, instead of Brandon, in the county of
Kerry. It seemed as if his impudent and most gra-
tuitous trespass upon Lord Sligo's titles was destined
to rise in judgment against him, even in the Gazette
that announced his ill-gotten honours. Every one who
knows the proverbial character of the Kerrymen will
admit that Mr. Rice is a genuine son of the county.
Loy d Howicli's resignation has surprised no one,
and was very early hinted at in this Journal as an ex-
tremely probable occurrence. The Ministerial papers
find it convenient to lay his dismissal at the door of his
want of Liberalism, and pretend it is the sign of a
move in the forward (or downward) direction. This
might be all very well if it were not perfectly. notorious
that his Lordship's chief cause of offence with the
other members of the Cabinet has been all along the
tone he has taken upon the Irish Church. Careless
though they were of the safety either of that or of any
other Church, they were not prepared to declare open
war against it as a Cabinet, and they could not endure
that an aspiring col!eague should out-bid them in his
claims upon radical favour Lord Howick's well-
known arrogance and ambition may have Tendered it
mighty convenient to his colleagues to be without him.
That his illiberalism had nothing to do with it, past
history and the present reconstruction of the Cabinet
amply prove.
Lord Normanby is driven already from the Colo-
nies. We suggested, a few weeks back, that when the
Assizes were concluded, it was probable Lord John
would be driven from the Home Office, and a peace
concluded with the Chartists. Lord Normanby is the
fittest man in the Empire to serve the united Reform-
ers. But we have one great consolation in this change
his doings will no longer be confined to remote dis-
tricts, of which our knowledge in England is but scan-
ty, our interest less than they deserve, and Our atten-
tion not over vigilant. Let him play any of his pranks
in his new situation, and he may depend upon it he
will be brought to book. Jamaica and even Ireland

will be no precedents for the Home administration of
Great Britain.

Lord John will certainly not be worse than Lord
Normanby at the Colonial Office ; and as we agree
with the Spectator that he may perhaps keep the very
obnoxious Mr. Stephen a little in the back-ground, it
will be very marvellous indeed if he is not a shade bet-
ter. But put him where you will, as a Poet, an His-
torian, or a Minister, Lord John Russell must, in com-
pliance with the inexorable decree of nature, be a very
little man.

In short, the whole affair is just like the trick upon
the cards, in which, whatever way you shuffle, the
knave is sure to be at the top. -The Ministers are the
Ministers still, tolerably well known from one end of
the empire to the other; and though they change their
places every week, they will never lose their characters.
Shuffle on then, gentlemen Whigs,—the meeting of
Parliament will give you the coup de grace.

We had intended to say a few words upon the great
Banquet at Dover, and more especially upon the very
eloquent oration of Lord Brougham. It is no difficult
task to praise the Duke of Wellington, or to descant
upon the merits of one whose name is identified with
the brightest pages of British History ; so that, should
the hour of danger ever arrive, even the Whigs them-
selves—

" the dull Tribunes,
That, with the fusty Plebeians, hate his honours—
Shall say against their hearts, " We thank the Gods
Our Rome hath such a soldier."
But sincerity is the very soul of eulogy; and there
were passages in the ex-Chancellor's speech, true
enough indeed in themselves, which, coming from his
lips, seem to us to be mere balderdash.

A circumstance which Mr. Cooper very properly
brought before the Council on Wednesday last, con-
nected with the paving of the new Haymarkets, must
convince every dispassionate person that the state of
things in the Town-hall is not very creditable. The
facts are just these. The Corporation, in accordance
with their professed principles, a few weeks ago adver-
tised for estimates for paving the two new Haymar-
kets. It is generally understood, when tenders are
made, that the lowest tender is accepted, provided the
party so tendering is a competent person, and able to
give the requisite security. Unless this principle be
admitted, advertising for estimates is a fraud upon
tradesmen and a burlesque on honesty. We do not
mean to say that public bodies, any more than private
individuals, are to accept any offer which is made,
simply because it is the lowest : but we do mean to
say this—that it is their bounden duty to make inquiry
into the character and ability of the party tendering
before they reject his offer, or else many honest and
industrious men of retired habits may be passed over,
and work may be given to persons at higher prices,
who are not half so fitted to execute it as those who
may be comparatively unknown. Be.sides, justice re-
quires that when tradesmen are invited to compete,
tradesmen should have fairplay. We shall see whe-
ther they have had it in the case we are considering.
Four persons sent in estimates on this occasion. Their
names are William Green, James Clark, Thos. Abram,
and Thomas Brewer. The first and last of these names
are sufficient to illustrate the case. Mr. Green offered
to pave the markets on the following terms :
For the North Market. ls. 9id. per yard.
South do. . ls. 10d. do.
„ square setts
Mr. Brewer's tender was—