Star.
London, England, 1819-03-27 00:00:00

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PRICE SEVEN-PENCE.

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eOII6IIE, of that trust. In 1881 It had 'Wei
thou right to grant this allowahce to het- Mqjeatyl
and were many circumstances in the situation
of the illustrious person to whom it *as transfetied
by the Bill, which rendered it proper that it should
be continued to him, Be had other great ptiblie
ties to perform, and their Lordships Well knew, that
no duties of a public nature could he executed with-
out considerable expense to the individual who had
to perform them. If, then, new expenses Were thrower
on the illustrious Duke whose name appeared in the
Bill; it was but justice that he should be indemnified:
That illustrious person, it was true, did not ball for
any indemnification ; but he (Lord Liverpool) was of
opinion, that his Majesty's Ministers would not have
done their duty, if they had not proposed to Parlite,
spent that it should be given. It was but an set or
peke to continue to the illustrious Duke that alkrai-
mace which Parliament had recognized as proper in
the case of her Majesty. He concluded by moving.
that the Bill be now read a second time.
Earl GREY did not rise to offer any objection to
the motiosh; for the bill. inasmuch as It embraced
the principle of seduction, would meet with his zea-
lous support. When the situation of the country so
imperiously called for a reduction of expenditure, he
could not fail to express his decided approbation of
la measure which proposed to effect a considerable
saving. He hoped he felt as fully as the Noble Lord,
or any other person, all those sentiments of loyally
and affection to the Sovereign, which ought to inspire
their Lordships with the wish to make every sultob;e
arrangement f.r the comfort of his Majesty in his un-
fortunate situation, or to provide whatever might he
of advaritage to him; but while he was, on the os.e
band, anxious this should be amply done, he was on
the other, no less anxious not to allow the calamity
with which, his Majesty was afflicted to be made a
pretext'for unnecessary expenses. Whatever might
really contribute to the comfort of the Sovereio,n,
the country would be ){lad to see fully supplit—
but that profusion, which had been sanctioned no-
der the pretence 'of maintaining the dignity of the
Crown, tended only to piace more strongly befere
the eyes of the public, the contrast between an
necessary pomp, and the melancholy situation which
was made an excuse fur so lavish an expenditure.—
, He was ()Lea those who had long thought that the
expenses of the. Windsor establishment- had fat' ef.:
ceeded that point to which a just consideratiod of.the
public interests, and the object to which they.were
applied, ought to have limited. them. When a
' minution of expense was proposed, n 6 objectii.o ;Po:,
, therefore, to be expected from him. lie had o•:1-f.to
ask why the reduction, which was ocw achocvo:
ledgcd to he practicable, had not beer. made so oser
The Noble Lord, as a ground for making that re.tuc-
don now which be did net think proper so prop6se
.at a former period, had dwelt oat& situation of the
stud had stated whm.k• el Grey) h•-• 4 fu..
the first time Irtard.-that Parliament, in forming the
Windsor establishment, had had regard not only to
what was due to the situation of the Sovereign, but
to the claims of her Majesty also. He must say, that
this was a reason which had never been before in ged
in his hearing, either for forming or keeping up tile
Windsor establishment. Not having expected to hear
such a declaration, he was not prepared at that mo-
ment to go into the question which might arise upon
it ; hut it appeared to him, that in the situation in
which the Queen was placed,' she still possessed very
great advantages totally independent of the 50,0001.
which had been granted her. He did not, however,
mean to debate ihis point at present: but though re-
joicing at the reduction en whatever pretence it was
proposed, Fe could not help observing, that thesub-
ject might.. with more propriety have come before
their Lord,,hips in another manner. The Noble Lot d
had very properly stated the grounds of the measure,
but in doing so had referred to what had passed in
another place. That was, strictly speaking, to con.
sideratien fur their Lordships ; but the votes of the
other House were cn the tibre, and to them they
could regularly refer. It appeased from those votes
that a proceeding had taken place in that House,
which the Noble Lord might have preferred here. If
their Lordships had instituted•an inquiry of their own
they would hare ascertained what was the real_ state
of the Windsor establishment, and how the reduction
could with propriety be carried, If that course had
been thought inconvenient, the report of the Com-
mittee of the House of Commons Might have been
obtained, and an opportunity thus afforded to their •
Lordships to see the grounds or the reductions to
which the hill applied. This, hoivever, had not been
done ; and their Lordships were now called to the
consideration of this measure, without any infotma.
tioa as to reasons which had recommended it to the
other House, Having 'stated thus much on the ge-
neral object of the bill, there remained another point
to which the Noble Lord had alluded. He agreed
with the Noble Lord, that whatever might be flte
cid:fete:we of opinioa on that print, it formed a scar
jeer which.ought to be discussed in the Conunittee,
rather than in this stage of the bill. Had it not been
mentioned by the Noble Lotd; be should therefore
have refrained, objectionable as it appeared to him,
from saying any thing cn Witt present. Their Lo-vsi-
ships would perceive that be was adverting trithe
.ClO,OOO a year proposed to be given to the Des ke of
York; No man more highly estimated than Ite;.The
public services and private
.virtues of that illuinious
person ; and it was extremely Phihfitl'tO him 0.-Si...a
the name of his Royal Highness Aiagliated in a ques-
tion of the nature of that beforelli.
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