Star.
London, England, 1804-03-23 00:00:00

oreaCon. Ti k not alfn tree. that in Ireland

regular force is greater than it was during any period
I of the hot war ? Is it not true, that, although we
have been engaged in hollilities only nine monttur tha
whole regular free k bin i 5.e00 men loin of the
higheß number which it reached durhig We molt
perilous period of the lafl war ? It may am& ba
cnnlidered, that our regular army is at roast
lets tattered over the globe than fro merly. I may
cooft-letoly fay, that finee the time of his Majefly's
Meifage, we have procured a far greater additions
to our regular force, than ever was known in da
Mort a period. The Right Hon. Gentleman hail.
Paid, that by the adoption of this fyllem, we are
meeting an immediate danger, by a gradual and floe
improvement of the difcipline of the volunteers...-.
lis a fryer to this afflrtion, I mull beg Gentlemen
recnilet what WAS the intention of Pa filament,
when this fyttem was adored at the dole of lag
Seilicts. I ark ti.e Knife., if it was in their ewe.
ration that the volunteers would attain Inch
degree of difeiplin: as it now difplays, when the (yr.
,em then received the fanCtion of the Legit:Wore
Will it be faith that we are only endeavouring to
meet an immediate danger, when the vehutteetil
have thus attained fuch a degree of perfeflinn within
a (barter period than what was then deemed Fifficiest
to qualify them for oppofing the enemy ? Sir, I Aka
Was it not the intention of the Legifleture to call out
the different claties in the Defence Bill, for the pug.
pole of being trained only on a S'inday, for 24elays,
which, as to the Volunteers, was afterwards intrear-
ed to 20 days, and is now to 24 ? Were not thefe the
periods which were deemed foffitient to give the.
country an ample Rate of feentity ? Inflead of t
days, however, or any of the other fpecitied num.
ber, the Volunteers throughout the kingdom have
performed much more than they were bound by their
contras to do. • The Right Hon. Gentleman has
thrown out an imputation againd them, by laying,
that Ise thought exemptions were the inducement
I may fafely fay, that there is hardly a Volunteer
who has not tripled his engagement. And what
has been the effea ? I &all not fay that they
have arrived at perfeftion. but that they have at-
tained to a certain degree of it, and with a rapi.
dity far beyond the expeftation of the Leginature.
—The Right Honourable Gentleman lays, he looks
with apprehenfion to the Volunteers being brought
forward as an army. I have never' heard it Rated
that they are to be brought forward as an army I bet
I have heard, with plealure, from authorities rope.
rioreven to his, that the Volunteers are fit to be brought
forward as part of an army. (d cry sf !war ((tsar!i
-!-Sir, we have the opinion of leveret experieem• d
generals, three of whom I (hall trenti.m. Lord Cath-
cart, Lord Moira, and General Siencoe, that the
Volunteers will form a gore( irgredisnt in the rep-
lar.army, for the defence of the country. One of ,
thefe Generals, whom I ant happy and proud to
call my friend, I mean General Simeoe, did afford
me the fatisfaftion of voluntarily listing his opining&
of Come of thefe corps, and which I have in my poe.
ket. He tranfmitted to me a return of a body of
Volunteers, amounting to 2500 men, called the South
Devon Volunteers, confiding of five battalions. To
every one of the returns of thefe battalions, is fub.
joined, in the hand writing of the Commanding of.
firer, • Fit for duty, and qualified to aZI with troops
of the line.' (21 cry of hear! Lew !) As an inftance
of their real,loyalty, and patrintifm, I may alto Rate,
that out of the large number which I have men-
tioned, only 123 were abfent, from ficknefs, or other
neceffiry caufts. The Right Hen. Gentleman (Mr.
Windham) Pays, that experience has not jultified
filch a degree of confidence as has been exprefed
by Come perfoss in Hoops of this defeription. He
refers to La Vendee, and to thole who refilled the
revolutionary Government of France, and who re-
mained true to their Sovereign during the leveret!
trials. He lays, they exhibit a proof of the unfound.
eel, of this defeription of force Sit, they prove no
fuch thing. They rather demonftrate how little re-
liance is to be placed on an armed peafantry. 14
their march to Granville, where they experienced
that fatal overthrow, they were a tumultuous undif-
ciplined body, and were confequently altogether an.
able to make any refiftance againfl a well regulated
army. One of the great errors of Gentlemen who fop-
port the plan of an armed peafantry is, that they fuppore
the Volunteers are fubftittned in place of that fpecies of
defence. It was, no doubt, thought expedient to given
preference to Volunteers; but there terrains dif.
cretionary power in his Well y to call ort and arm the
peafantry in addition to the Volunteers. • It is alto
laid, than the National Guards of France. bona a
llrong frecimen of the infufficiency of the Volunteerryfa
tern. Thus I deny: the National Guards were CRS.
ployed both in La Vendee and at Jentappe. Nobody
will contend that they did not perform good civics
in a cattle on which I .(hall ever tcflea with abhor.
rence. The R;7lit Honourable Gentleman has fakir
that the Volunteer - fyflcm tends to dircountenance lbe
regular army, and to thtow it into the (bade. Sir,
it is rot p-table Vohmteers, or any ex-
pedient that we can ailcpt, to tarnish the glnry and
lime of the Revlar Army. (A cry of deter! how I)
Is it pogible that he can think of creating in the
min.l.ot the Rego' 1 f At ray, an idea that their repo.
tarinn letfenest, became 'live are 400.000 men in
arms to to ~oetate m •tt o.e defence of their
\Oil le he Las dsto•lt tip exuberance of
I,,yahe and zeal telt -;es! by 'hi; I..ltinteets, he liar
siliO dive!: open v. Scat he c ills tht irrcfuiattues of
flue • I thtle Sir, I I.r.l:eve it is a matter of
th.tt to Isss• thit nature bare
oce..l.esi ; and it is a mattzr react. that the few
sshich hive Ita,or;ned flt•suld been fo much
tuaiced. The Hon. (::nil man has enlarged
111..0 a fits...mite 1. n 4 j and his feid, that be to, in.
dined in t. Lis Majefly's Government that
they coot t rp:titei••.• at the expence of their public
drtr. Th;s is t: 'l to ss Lich I advert with a
pest de II ::1 . .. in v.); et degree they poirefil
the portlatiir it is nil' tor mc to c,njeßttrts
tit tbis, however, F ant fatistied, ti!.it hey hare (creed
c..untry v.ith honour (a fr.e ! iear I )—.
Thzr has': not Pl. unk from am ',die of their duty,
and it cannn% fii:cly, he :aid, !A:3: they 7• see courted
7ornlarity in,p,ling no leis than fifteen millions
to lar.e.t. On the Co:ill:try, they have purfned plata,
tar tavi ur by enhrsv..uring to detente it: 1 (hall ossly
fa tiler, that tic Right Hon. Gentleman has on
thus, a, weil es from's occafions, employed his
great :e.l: nth, untuecet,fully I hope, to thew that we
uusht not to place any cusasialessa its die vailotadt

If that fy Gem, however, be not an objeit of
reliance, we cad have no other adequate force
-an be fuldlituted for it. Every part of the Bill
the table is calculated to obviate the objeftions
Thank Goa, we have a fpirited army, a mi•
—a, end 400,000 volunteers, though the Right Hon‘l
Gentleman has thought proper to attack, feverally,
4.thefe branches, which, I am confident, will

tte an ample defence for the country."
. FOX faid, that the Right Hon. Gentleman
had juft fist down, had mifreprefented many
•tulars fluted as °Nations by his Right Hon.
d (Mr. Windham.) He did not think that the
clonal Guards alluded to made part of the army
General Dumourier, at the battle of Jemappe, but
aUowed that it might be fo. When armed pea-
were fpnken of, he begged Gentlemen to re-
ier La Vendee, America, and Corfica. He had
told, however, that their fuccefs was the area
se, in learning their difcipline. It would be
that Volunteers could not learn to fight in one
sign. General Dumnurier wrote a famous let-
.o Park, in which he (aid (alluding to the battle
Jemappe) " it was not a battle, but a flight of
men before 15oo." There were no exam
t the hiftory of the world, of undifcipltned
fuch as our Volunteers, fightiag with fuccefs
regular and well difciplined armies. When
faid that an armed peafantry was preferable,
meant that two millions of men were to be
tilted for acoo,ooo Volunteers. If the Volun-
were not fubftituted, in place of that peafantry,
were not the armed peafantry called out ? " Gra-
s Goo ! (be exclaimed) was not this a time for
amoft exertion for our defence ; and how could
faid we had done fa, when fuch a mutant was

adopted ? If they were called out, he would alk,,
re there any arms provided for them t It was
:ertainly the duty of Government to have provided
of Tome kind or other for the whole mafi of
ion. If guns could not be procured, pikes
. certainly have been provided. Nothing of
_ kind, however, bad been done to the extent ne.
Whey. Every individual in England was thus left
completely defencelefi. As to the degree of difei-
- which had been fo triumphantly talked of, he
venture to fay, that the majority of the Volun.
had never yet fired a mulket. It was always
• Mainers to produce great authorities. With
. to Lord Cathcart, he rather thought that any
o he had Paid of Volunteers related fulely to thofe
Ireland, for there they were on a different foot-
As to the anfwer returned by General Simcoe,
Mold like to know how many General Officers
returned finch anfwers. If fuch returns had not

general. the inference he would draw was, that
were the only Volunteers who were worthy of
a remark. With regard to Lord Moira, it
been Paid, that he wilbed no regular army in
Seodand. He underßood his opinion to be, that as
was a great want of regular troops in England,
wifbed the metropolis to be better guarded. He
the alteration of the number of days for ex-
was a kind of breach of faith with the Whin-
His Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Wind-
had been aecufed of having fpoken againft the
, which he formerly approved of ; but was it
general principle that in all wars we are to recur to
farm. kind of force ? It was laid, that we had a
.r force in England than ever. The reafon of
as, becaofe it was to contrived, that the regu.
army was kept at home for our defence ; not
t. however. to the honour of thofe who had made
war. As to an armed peafantry, he thought
days difeipline would have rendered them as
..cious as the Volunteers would be, who, like
:fantry, were only calculated tor haraffing the

4 CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQIJERbeg-
have to (late, that the opinion of the Earl of
1.,a0 which he had alluded, was not colleted
any thing he might have at the dinner of
Highland Society, but from what he had given
üblic orders.
JAMES PULTENEY did not concur with
opinion given on the diaipline of the Volunteers
nights ago, namely, that
" A little learning b a dangerous thins."

....Such a fentiment was very well in Pepe, but it did
t apply I. the bufinefs of common life. He thought
degree of difcipline acquired by the Volunteers
render them very ufeful whenever they fhould
againfl the enemy.
Coloes.:1 CRAM: RD explained, that he had al-
-ecnenmended that the armed peafantry mould

Gime degree :if training.
DICKINSON (poke againft the Bill, and ap-
to the Speaker whether, in the courfe of his
caperiesees he had ever known or heard of lo incon-
peons and abfurd a Bill as the one before them ?
It bad been compared, not unaptly, to a begging.
box, which was open to the contributions of the
charitabk and humane. It could not have prefented
- contradiltory and inconfillent claufes, if the
Honourable Mover of it had thrown four or
~lank Sleets of paper on the table, and dewed
Members to fcribble what they pleated on them.
'r. ROSE was greatly difappointed in Ending
the Volunteer Syflem was not brought by this
to that degree of perfedtion he eel:meted, and of
ch he conceived it to be fufceptible. It was pa.
•Ced by feveral of the claufes ahich had been so-
laced into the whole. and itillead of good having
lied room the difcaions which had taken place,
to his opinion they bad done much harm.
t. CURWEN gave his hearty violent to the
.—There were many things good in it, and Come
but, upon the whole, it was as much improved
acomftances would pet suit.
General LOYI'US approved of the Bill. and with.
it was neceffary that it &mild be palled before
reefs. that no arther oppotition might be made
He differed exceedingly with an Honnorable
met, as to the impolicy or inutility of driving the
yr. and sieliroying the provisions. Ile had
id in the American war, and had frequently nc-
,,nied Genet al (now bird) Howe, in the dill
Asti • •s that he effe:ted on different parts of
and he could Air?. fiim his perfonal oh_
... n ail I esi:•iii.nce, thrt Ti operation of the
y ever annoyed that a'.ll Cimmander half In
as MI: tiety i•raCt'ce the Honourable
..l had 1-J Co..•••;,:f Trig -31)4;M on this evening.
at not unfrequ,nth In eml,Arraffed by it that
,art t advance (sot) miles trims the lea corals

for he was compelled to live upon his own magazines,
which were both precarious and limited; and if the
maxim were true, that the fame enures produced the
fame effetas, he had not a doubt but an enemy in this
country would experience firnilar embarraffment.
General TARLETON role to corred an error is
the fiaternent relpeEling the progrcfs of the recruit.
ing fervice, which ftatement, he contended, afforded
no fair criterion whereby to judge of it, in compd•
fon with that fervice at former periods. Under the
prefent fyftern, there was an Army of Referee. and
a volunteering from that for the line; and the ex.
tending the regulations with Tepee! to height. was
another rearon why the progrefs of that fervice went
on. Men fo low as five feet two inches were receiv-
ed, and a Colonel in the Army of Referee had lately
informed him, that out of woo men that had been
drafted from his regiment into the line, there was
not one who had attained the height of five feet four
inches; fo that the recruiting, as at prefent carried
on, was nothing fhort of a deception on the Houle
and on the country. He underftood that it was the
intention of Minifters to introduce Come meafures
fhortly for improving the Rate of the Regular Army,
he would wait the event of thole, and in the mean
time content that the Bill before the Houfe thould pars.
Lord CASTLEREAGH repeated an affertion of
his, on a former evening. that the Army of Referee
and Militia, numerous as they were, did not impede
the recruiting fervice fa materially as fume Gentle.
men reprefented ; for the number of recruits at pre-
fent obtained was only one-fourteenth lets than in
the eorrefponding months of one year of the laft war.
Mr. C. W. WYNNE would not objea to the pre
tent Bill, although from his own knowledge he was
fatisfied that one rearon why the Volunteers did not
learn the ufe of arms was, that they bad none co
learn by. In the three counties with which he was
acquainted, there were sOOO Volunteers, and in two
of thole counties no arms had been yet received, and
in the other only a fufficiency to arm half the people,
that had offered themfelves. The Bill, however, was
1 on the point of going through that Houle. and of
being fent to another, from whence he would not fay
that he hoped it may never return, but from whence
be trufted it would comeback inoculatsd with a little
more vigour. continency, and feafibility.
Sir WILLIAM GEARY was of opinion, that
the Volunteer Synem did not prevent recruiting for
the army ; but he was convinced that the high rums
given for fubftitutes in the Militia and Army of Re-
feree, did confiderable injury to the recruiting fervice.
Mr. HENRY I.ASCELLES expreffed his wilhes
that, if poffible, a clads which, in his opinion, threw
open the doors to perpetual difputes, might either
be entirely omitted. or fo altered, as to prevent the
bad confequences that would inevitably be produced
by it ; he alluded to that which authorifed the deckle.
tion from the wages of farmers fervants if they re-
mained above four hours abfent upon drill or exercife.
He thought It advifeable that the clade mould be
expunged from the Bill, or that the time (Tmid be
confiderably extended. The quenion was then put
on the third reading of the Bill, and carried in the
affirmative.

The Bill was afterwards pared, and ordered to he
earned to the Lords for their concurrence, by Mr.
Ticrney.—Adjourned at twelve o'clock.

LONDON.

FRIDAY, MARCH 23.

PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE. (s'.:I.OOIL i

Cot&lt far mom), 5614.—Ditto for April
,t 64{—
Ofd 5 per Cent. s9l.oinnilara WI
DUBLIN, MARCO 16.
31 per Cent. Gov. Deb. 664-5 per C. Gov. rkb.
Eschanr, Dublin on London 14 a 144.

We heartily congratulate the Public on the con-
tents of the following notice, which WAS Wired at
St. jamees yeftertiay afternoon

" Lard S has received orders to fay, that there will be
no further attendance at St. James's after to-day.
" St. James's Palace, March aa, s Soe

This ceremonial. which har been accompanied with
the afreitionate folicitude of all ranks of people, con.
eludes with the attainment of an objeel which a loyal
Nationconfiders asmon propitious to the general hap-
pinefs, and as a very didinguilhed mark of the favour
of HIAV EN.

At one o'clock the Loaes.CH4scttLoa and Mr.
ADDINGTON had audiences of his MAJNITY when
the latter laid ieveral official papers before his Ma-
yzsty for the Royal Signature.

The report firft communicated to the public in this
paper of the French fleet having cfcaped from Tou-
lon is again revived almnft in its original form, but
coming in a way that feems to put its truth beyond
quaint'. A letter received in town yeflerday from
Lord NaLsov. dated the loth uh. in the Straights
of Bonifacio,betweenCor flea and Sardinia. Rates, that
the French fleet efeaped from Tonlan while his Lord.
'Lip was abfent on the cuaß of Algiers. They flood
to the eallwsrd, whether to elude the Britilh fleet or
to reach any obje& of their deflination, is uncertain.
On the slate of Lord Nit som's letter he was in fight
of the enemy's fleet, and expeeting every hour to
bring them to 'Mon. From his comparative force.
and the eqnipment of the fleet. his Lordlip expel!:
ed the moll Linguine hopes as to the refult. This is
a private letter, received by a refpcaable Gentleman
in St. Jarnes's Square, and was forwarded via Naples.
It was. however, thought to be of fuch importance
As to be immediately communicated to Government.
At a late hour hail night, no official account of
this intelligence was received. The efeape of the Ole-
an% fleet is, however, further confirmed by another
private letter from his Lordflrip, dated the 4th ult.
and alto forwarded overland, and received in town.

One of the letters from Lis Lordthip contains the
following paragraph :
" I confider enyfill on the eve of a battle with the
enemy's fleet, which, from the highly appointed lime
of the fquadron undcr my command, will, I trufl,
prove glorious to Engl.sud 1"
1iii.....111111111111.111.1.111

w
try.
[Acta. If that
eur reliance, we
that can be cubit
upon the table it
to it. Thank G
lids, and 400,00
Gentleman has
each of thefe bra
connitute an am
Mr. FOX fai
who had jut iii
particulars Jlate,
Friend (Mr. Wi
National Guard
of General Dun
be aUowed that
Pantry were fpol
member La Veil
been told, howe
of time, in lean
found that Volt
campaign. Ge
ter to Paris, in
of Jemappe) "
15,000 men bef
plea, in the hil
troops, fuch as i
againa regular
it was fail that
ft was meant 1.1
fubflituted for
tetra were not 11
why were not th
tinge Goo ! (he
the mined exert
it be Paid we hat
not adopted ? I
were there any
certainly the du
arms of tome k
population. If
might certainly
this kind. howe
cerary. Every
$ completely defe
;dine which had
could venture It
leers had never
eafy for Minifie
refpea to Lords
thing he had Eli
Is Ireland, for
Ins. As to the
be Scold like i
Lad returned flu
been general. tb
• thok were the
' fedi a remark.
bad been Paid,
Scotland. Hel
there was a gre
be walled the m
thought the alit
afire. was a kir
leers. His Rig
ham) had been
Militia, which 1
a general princi
the fern: kind c
greater force in
ibis was. becau
lar army was
much, however
this war. As
that if days dil
efficacious as t
peafantry, wet
enemy.
The CHAN(
gted leave to I
Moira...to whicl
from any thing
the Highland
out inublic a
SirJAMES
Abe opinion giy
a few sights a,
" A 11
•--Ssch a fentie
not apply to ill,
the degree of
would render t
be led againfl i
Coka.:l CRI
ways tt4olllMe
lave Aisne deg
Mr. DICKI
pealed to the I
*angriest., he
pumas and ala
It bad been I
box. which w
charitable and
wore contra&
Right Hunour
Eve blank liter
the Members t
Mr. ROSE
that the Vohs'
Bill to that de
which he cone
relyfed by fey
tniJuted into
refulted from
it was his °pit
Mr. CURT
Bill.—Thcre
Lad ; hut, opn
as theists:ll;4o
General LI
ed, as it was I
the tccefs, tit
. to it. He di'
Colonel, as tc
esinntrv, and
ferved in the
colopanied C
enslairkati • •i
th..: C.,gfl, ar
ki . ...... im An I
enemy ever al
tuu:ll as tril:
(7.1..n.1 had I
tic sa As not II
bat tialltib not l
.4..1.4 I