Star.
London, England, 1829-02-13 00:00:00

'DR Whoa the House, is heueeneffindit iddlspausable to the Peace
of helm& As to thelletended NEW embesebs be should witch.
. them. and. take are 'hardier* be adequate eseurities in any
admitting the Catholics Mw
Mr. WILMOT•HORTON was envious to state the
reasons why be should vote for the Bill before the Hoes,. He ties
satisfied that the state of things la Ireland required melee mot-
ion': be was saddled that in relation to it the Grivernmest had
. acted oe sound principles; ho was cobvinced that if this Bill was
Out introduced. the intended measure of Concessloo could sot sac-
reed. 'numb be admitted the limey evils giblet front the girls.,
tine* of the Catholic Association, he never would dis Mat to
• its suppression uniese the suppression were cospied with a Dili
•of Remocipation. He gave the Walston _every credit fee 'their
Intended measure of concessioe. Though embassies alone Would
not do all the gond that bad been .anticipated- by some, he
was sere nothing else wild do good Insists this were Made
a preliminary one ge aY others. He • plearekoplkit eonfl•
dens that Government would bring. fortified the measure In
a diape that would be satisfactory to Ireland, and to all reasonable
Catholics and reasonable Protestants. For his own part; bewOild
prefer a simple repeal; but be would, however, cement to the
Weeded measure. as be was comieted it eigeld lot hart the-honest
feelings of any party. He regretted shit VS Right Hem Friend.
the Home Secretary bad not at as earlier tins* seen the necessity
oCeencession • bet, standing In the statism that his Right Honour-
able Reiland did, namely, in the place of responsible adviser and
Blinked' of the Crown, be was sure his Right Hoomitable Friend
would carry forward the measure boldly, manfully, and honourably,
and be. was sure that Isis Right Honourable Friend would do it
with morteeffect by acting as he bad done, this if be had retired
• front ones and slunk to a back seat to give his unofficial vete for
a measure which he felt to be called for by she most imperative
necessity. An Honourable Member had.deelared his purpose of
. opposing the emancipation measure through its every stage. Now
he weulj say, that be would support it through every stage, and
thank %limbers for k, as one tending to relieve the country from
a state of great eastfarrassinent.
Mr. St•RING RICE said be •had formerly opposed
the mea.sre fur suppressing the Association—he had sow deter-
mined to vote for its suppression ; one that be had changed his opt-
ohm of the Catholic 4%w...elation, for he thought they were justified
by their grievances to make every efort to remove those grievanees,,
and that that House could not justly suppress diens without at
the same time removing the grievances; -no menete which the
House could pass would prove effective until they Were redressed.
For his part he did not share in the. apprehension that the
meaore of conciliation would fail—if it would. then the present
Bill would be waste paper—it would ,be iouperative ; but if
• the disabilities were removed. be was sure it would be effective..
He bad reason to think that already the Catholic Association
was dissolved, and for ever—and that that resolution had been
adopted after full deSberatlon, and with the entire approbation
' of the Catholic hierarchy of Ireland. The Catholics bad placed
th. it felt confidence in the declarations contained in the King's
Speech and those of his •Maje-ty's Ministers. 'fbe vote given
on this occa-ion should be a vote of cortAdeace. He did not know
the other measures intended. but be was sere it would prove sada-
- factory both to the Mousses of Parliament and the public. If Mr.
Grattan were now dive, be would look at this measure as the re-
ward of all bin labours. He did not disapprove of the suppression
. of 'aneitties calculated to contrail the constituted authorities,-
' Washingttot himself had expressed his disapprobation of them-
- Mere the Hon. Member read SNUG sentences from a speech of
Washington's) He hoped the powers which. this Rill Very pro.
• patty gave to the Lord Lieutenant would be impartially exercised
by him, and that all Associations assuming a menacing attitude
would be suppressed. He had risen to make the communication
which he had been requested in reference to the dissolution et rte
Catholic Associatiort. Th tt act would .how the epponeate-of
cession bow ready the Catholics were to anticipate the wishes of a
, friendly binnoistration, and it would be a consolation to the friends
of the cause to know, that in supporting the suppreseion of the

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Association they were voting against a non-entity. •
Mr. HUME was gray glad the Association had not
• • been teat down four years ago; their curliness were the cause either
• iirtithied removal of their grievances. He did net. think the Amite.
. ciatbor dart. rout or uncematitutitetal ; it bad done more to preserve.
the peace to Ireland than the 40.000 soldiers there. 'Though he.
illtattsett the %lankiers fur their intended Bill of Eniancipation, be
- thought it might be brought forward with a better pat*. • It the
pat..i laws were a (moved there would be nu necessity. for the Bill
. b. tore the liaise. Was the Assoc i.seitni as dangerous as the Bruns
uteli U1u...? No. Nobody in tee Association hadeeer proposed
to exterminate their opponents. lie protested against the prietiple
Vette present Sill ; it Went to eitelitod the Constitetion, yet as hr
was analogs to get the sober Hill (of emancipation) be.shoe:ld not•
oppose this. lie coo:stoat bud words • strong enmesh to thank the
Duke of Vl'ellintott for his conduct in this aerate. He said this
with the more pleasure now, as be knew ail Administration
since he had a seat in that House which deserved bisapprolaatoo—
' (Laeghtet). The Honourable Member for Louth had said, that
• his (Mr. Hume.) country was adverse to Catholic EalalldiatiOn
he did not know wby hie country should be thus-asaligned.—
. Tbe Imputation was most unfounded. whether a judgment was
formed either tits the votes of the Scotch tepreseettatives or on
• the number of !mealtime/tom Scotland. lie knew .no instance
• la which his countrymen bad disgraced themselves by opposing
Itntaocipation. He was sure they were too liberal to envy others
the privilege. they enjoyed themselves, nor was the popular feel-
log against the measure. Though the people had been called
on in the other House to stand to their guns, sad prepare for
action. the result would show that the kliaiisters had taken a
manly. hottourable, and, in the event, a successful step. There
were but a few opposed to the united voice of the country. In
the last forty eight hours the decision at ti Learned University
had shown that many who oppoeed it would change their opinion.
Hr hoped to see Ireland free. and not a garrison. sae a con.
gutted country, requiting forty thousand men to preserve the
peace. Finally, he should allow the pretest Bill to pass, with the
hope be should never see the like again.
Mr. L FOSTER was surprised that he should be
charged with baying said the people of Scotland, were adverts to
the Catholic Claims—he never said any such thing, but the very
contrary. He took a distinction between the concessions of civil
privileges and the establishment of the power ot the Catholic
Church. lie war sure the people of Scotland wire "adverse to the
Ncelislastical poirer of. the C.atholies, so were all *thee -Dimenters.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
though not • Member of the learned body which bad been alluded
to by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, he thought. it right, in the
absence of the Representative of that body, to Kati that this was
not the hest time they bad refused to petition. against gmancipa.
tion ; they were not, therefore, liable to the charge of baying now
• changed their sentiments in• order to emblem with the influential
De others of the Government. If the Hun. Member had used bib

ordinary habit of -bigotry he wuulJ bate found, front the records
of Parliament, that nu Petition was presented Irons that ranted
body against the Catholic Claims on the last occasion on which
• they were dilated on in th.at House. It was true there had been
• one from another Urtiver.ity ; but it was triumphantly said at the
time by the friends of the question that the University (Cambridge)
alluded to by the Hun. Member was frkndly to concession. • And
on what ground was it said ? Precisely because they refused to
petition against it. Surely that alone ought to have kutight the
circumstance to the memory of the Hon. Member. •
Mr. ilk 0136 H X3l s.id. that he thought it his duty,
if cot to tee his support, to withhold his. opposition from the
treasure. He did this solely upon the ground • that he could not
obtain Catholic Emancipation without It—(Fear, bear). He bad
no other ground what, ver for allowing a Bill of• this sort to go
through any one stage without his most strenuous opposition. He
objected to the Hill, because it put down the Catholic Association
—be objected to it because it made that suppression perpetual—he
objected to it, because it armed the Edrd Lieutenant with an on-
itinstitutinoal power—and much Mole did he object to it, as it
armed Magistrates with authority which, if objectionable any
where, was muds snore so in their hands than in those of so high
and responsible a servant of the Crown as the Load Lieutenant.
Ile bad hoped. from the statement of the Right Houtn-able Gen
demon, that the Bill would have been free film this last objec-
don. In a country like Ireland, nothing was name to be dreaded
than investing acting Magistrates of a diarist with such power as
was contemplated in. this MIL The country would be turn by
Actions till the year and a half this Bill was to be in operation ex-
pired: During that time part of the etiaSeqUellCESof the past mis-
government of Ireland would be felt. By the PlecLanatioa or
- -Warrant the Lord Lieutenant was to Moot any two Junices with
power to suppress any given Meeting. So far the principle of in-
vesting the Laid Lieutenant alone with this power was kept up,
lot the two Justices chosen were supposed to be discreet, trust-
worthy men. chosen in the conddence that they would twat abuse
• their authority, bor. unturtunately, as the BM now stood, when •
once the Lord Lieutenant had armed two Justices with power to
disperse a meeting, any ether two Justices had power to arrest,
convict, and sentence a man whom they Might charge whit Wog
at such a meeting, to three months' imprisonment fur thifelitet
arum, and twelve months for the snood; and all this without
any power of appeal, or of removing the conviction, as there was
a clause which took away the certiorari. He did not urge this by
leaf M opposition to the Bill, but as a suggestion worthy of con-
a.deration. Were this objection not- removed, the law would be
liable to be abused in all manner of ways. He would suppose the
(sac of Catholic Justices having an information laid before them'
by Catholic witnesses agalost Orange or Brunswick Associations.*
he 'lmposed this can.; as he was certain the Catholic Association
would be dissolved; nay, that it was dissolved at the moment hal