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Lord REDESIMLE said it would be. impossible
for the Bank to resume Cash-payments, until there
was a sufficient- circulation of money in the country.
ifthe Bank were allowed to act on its old system of
discomainl bills, it would have, plenty of cash ; but,
as loi,g as arg: ;ums were °wilt by the Government
to the Bank, this could not be done. The great dis-
tress of the Bank was occasioned by the advances
which the Bank hadbeen making to the Government,
and that was the cause of the distress the Bank had
fallen into in 1;97; and before payments 'could be
made in cash, there must be a certain quantity of
cash brought into the country. Therefore, if it was
intended to resume Cash-payments at the time pro-
.posed, this clause must be adopted.
The Earl Of LIVERPOOL said it had always been
• the interest of the Bank to keep up the gold at such
a prier, as to put it out of the power of persons to
take gold'to the Mint to be,coined; so that the Bank
always had the. monopoly of. the coin. He should
deprecate the redaction of paper circulation by the
Bank, but-if they did so, althoughit would be a great
evil, it would cause such a reduction in the price of
gold that the evil would soon be remedied.—The
clause was then agreed to.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said,. he felt it neces-
sary to make an explanation respecting what had
fallen from him on a former day, when he stated that
there was no intention on the part of the Government
to make any more loans during the • contintiance of
the peke He meant to say, that there should be no
loan except the five millions which were to be paid
to the Bank, and which must be raised by a loan.
Lord HOLLAND wished to know whether it was
intended to repeal the Acts passed five or six year(
ago, which had the effect of making Bank notes a
legal tender.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL—" Certainly not."
The Bill was then read a third time,and passed.
The Lottery Bill went through the Committee, and the other
Bills before the House being read in their stages, the Howe ad.
journed at seven o'clock. •
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

A Petition was presented from Andover, praying for a Pro.'
tecting Duty against the Importation of Foreign Corn.—Read,
and ordered to lie on the table.
Serjeant ONSLOW obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the Law relative to the accepting of Bills of Exchange.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
regulate the admission, of Attornies in the Courts of Law. The
intention of the Bill w j to abridge the term preparatory to ad.
three years. He did not at present know whether it
advisable to extend the provisions of the Bill to Ire-
aye tven.
IKE (of Norfolk) presented a Petition from certain
the County of Norfolk, complaining of the pressure
and especially of the Malt 'Tax, and proposed the
of a graduated Income Tax, which should not ex-
/ tsersons whose incomes were under JE-500 a-year.
,'EAKER said, that if the Petition was against any of
Taxes it could not be received.
Petition wan therefore withdrawn.
CASE OF DE.•LEMPRIERE.
,BER FORCE, Pursuant to nbtice, presented a Pe.
. Dr. Lempriere. The Petitioner stated, that he had
several years Master of the Grammar School of Exeter;
iring his labours in this important truat, he had raised-
of the school considerably, as *a4 manifested fig,
of the pupils. He complained, tat some short time
difference having taken place between him and certain
istees, he was finally dismissed' from the offich The
is proceeding be was unable to'cliscover, unless it was
the Trustees had a son, whom it was proposed to
the office—a person froin his years anti attalnmenti,
qualified for its duties. The Trustees, subsequent
~tranaactloo, had unanimously declared, that neither in-
-, inattention, nor Irregularity, could be charged against
ad Gentleman. He knew at the same time, that It '
his power to seek reclreas.from the House "
of Coen.
was material that the Honourable House should he
of the extent of grievances to which systems of ad.
i of Charity Schools similar to that of Exeter, give
..e.Pstition was then brought up aod read.
COT RTENAY justified the Interference of the Trustees,
that no one was more competent to discharge the
'Office, than the person appointed to succeed Dr.
He moved that the Petition be rejected.
RENFELL, after remarking upon the great length of
`n this affair had taken up, upon a day wheri there were
19 Orders ache Day, and five or six Notices of Mn
that he Would not have intruded himself en the *ma-
ne Horse, but that happening to be In the neighbour..
.. Exeter last year, he was enabled to declare that it wet
unanimous opinion of all ranks in that neighbourhood. that
bad acted with the utmost propriety in the dia..
Lemprfere, and In appointing the Gentleman they
successor. • •

RAVES eocieborated this statement. •
;ASTLEREAGH said, that as the Petition contained
charge against the Trustees, the admission of it would
necessarily,rendet necessary in investigation into the statement.
ast would see the extreme inconvenience of such a pro.
, when no remedy could be administered. He appre-
d that it only remained for tile House to reject the Peti-
particularly as the Charity Abuses Bill, which was to be
third time that nigh; would necessarily take in its opera-
whole ease of the Petition.
• question then, that the Petition be rejected, was carried
division.
SOUTH AMERICA.
./PENT, in allusion to what had fallen from him a
back with Aspect to a British ship off the coast of
ilea, which it was said contained a freight of gold for
of Old Spain, contrary, in his opiniono.to the laws of
begged to know, If-he was to understand by the cheer-
been given by the Honourable Secretary of the Ad-
Ki that occasion, that the fact was admitted.
tOKER said, that the cheer was meant to express a
tof the statement. It was true there wai a ship sts-
Coast of Lima ; but it was in consequence of the
British merchants, for the protection of the .Brldsh
neither directly ror indirectly was it concerned the
between Spain and her Colonies.
d NUGENT said he had on a former night stated that the
Andromache was stationed off the Coast of Lima, with a
ht of gold. He begged to.know, was not that gold Intended
converted to thelise 0 Spain against the Colonies?
r:ROKEft: laid, that :the department to which he be-
rm far from being privy- to the destiny of the gold, did
pot . know that thoru was.aay gold on board. lklo other is.
formation, he could assure the Noble Lord, came to the Ad-,
ndialty,• save a report in the gqwspapers, that an I
!hip was tilduced. to guilt
•veeSei is monist of
had on board.
• . • 4s/17.7.1,'171[:
Ifr. WESTERN begged • to, kattgr
jimi Itadicquer, if the representation podia by
the Ilouse, would be,likelp* produce egr-
the duties by which they were to be affected?'
. CHANCEX.LOR of the EXCHEQUER-1
Aker au, bog consideration he could jive the
ja.him toe the question was not bow fat the Sew saeps9r.e waif
ty tolaperate partially, but whether the nsiltateis should be
exempted front a due proportion of the burthene baposed
cuturaunity ?

operation
- appliction
J say, eVery species
fication this opinion, expressed, he
teed somewhat at length to discuss the
'irhich might be made against it, several which,
indeed, had been made by anticipation. The expenses,
of the increased Commission, under the existing Act,
-
to enquire into abuses in charities, had been made
tars subject of animadversion. In his opinion, there•
*as no ground for this objection. It would be seen
Sy any one who would turn his attention to the able
nad excellent Report of the Commissioners, that
dither the formidability of the Commission, or their
actual investigation, had already produced a reform
Or the utmost consequence. He would just state,,
that in one case in the county of Kent, by the ezer-,
pions of the Commissioners, a sum of four thousand
pounds was likely to be carried to the use of a cha-
iity, which the Company acting as Trustees, since
the time of Edward VI. had thought 'itself justified,
in diverting from this charity. The case was now in'
She Court of Chancery, the Commissioners, of course,
pot feeling their competency to decide the appropri-
ation of this overplus. But had nothing else been
done by the Commission, duriug the whole of last
Session, but the regaining of so much, he would ask
was not the expense of it fully compensated for to
the country ? As to the Bill before the House, he
obierved, that he did not object to its general provi-
sions-, but there was one clause, in the principle of
which he could not entirely concur ; it •was that'
clause which went to establish exemptions with re-
spect to charities having special visitors. There was
'no• reason why charities which were visited, should be
excluded from the benefit' of the Commission of En-
quiry, more than those which were not visited, ac-
cording to the construction put upon.the Act of last
Session. That omission in the present Bill, with re-
gard'to visited charities, was .a gross inconsistency.
It would, however, be attempted to be accounted for
upon the presumed will of the donor, according to
the maxim esjui eat dare 4us est disponere, and, there
fore, by the special. nomination in such cases, every
other interference was excluded, and even the power
of the Legislature could not, in justice, controul the
will of the donor, evinced by his act of special confi-
dence ; but in reply to that argument, it was to be
Observed, that where no special visitors were ap-
pointed, the founder and his heirs were by the. com-
mon law regarded as the visitors. Yetcliarities so
circumstanced were by this Bill, and by the Act of
last year, and also by the Statute of Elizabeth, which
erected a Court of Jurisdiction, and not a Board of
Enquiry, interfered with, although the visitors were
not merely persons in whom the founder had reposed
confidence, but were actually the founder himself
and his legal representatives ; was it not then an
act of inconsistency, to refrain, through a feeling
.of
delicacy, from exerting a contr'oul over charities
visited by strangers, when there was no such
scruple entertained with respect to those visited by
the founder himself and his heirs? Again, when
the special visitors were named trustees, then the
Curt of Chancery, by the rules of law, had an au-
tlitqrity to iqspect and controul, and then thii Bill
Ind former Acts allowed a right of interhrence to
list-Commissioners. In the case of trustees, the ap-
pointment of the founder constituted a deketus per-
sona, as well as where the special visitors were not
named trustees. There was a special confidence re-
Posed in the person appointed by the founder, whe-
ther named trustees, visitors, managers; or gover-
"Mrs. Was it a reasonable doctrine to maintain, that
where the founder appointed'a governor, in that case
the Commission should have no authority, on ac-
'count of the confidence presumed to be placed in
the person so appointed? But where the founder
went one step farther, and made that Visitor a trus-
tee, then the Commissioners should not be prevented
from the exercise of their powers, although in that
case there existed a confidence of a higher and more
solemn character. The trustee of a charity was, in
many instances, a Corporation, either sole or aggro-
gate•
; frequentlythe Metropolitan or Bishop of the
ease was not only a visitor, but-had the manage-
Meat of the funds ; and one should think, that the
delicacy dt infringing upon a special right, where
there was but a single appointment, ought, if con-
sistency were an object, to be at least as operative in
cases where there was added to the right by delega-
lion the acted one of trust—(Hear, hear.)--It was
'Aso of importance to observe, that where visitors
latercised their authority only once in three years, as
was most generally the case, the extension of the
power of the Commissioners to such Charities would
Ise considered as a relief to such visitors. It would
take from them the odious name of accusers and de-
nouncers of abuses, many of which may be presumed
to grow up in 'the intervals of visitation, and make
them be regarded as impartial and dispassionate in-
quirers. He was convinced that there were many
persons who, in the capacity of visitors, had controul
over charitable institutions, who by no means wished
that the Bill should contain such a clause of exemp-
tion, and he therefore intended to move that the
clause should be amended byleaving it free for the
Commission to extend to institutions, the visitors of
which wished for the co-operation of such an inquiry:
The Honourable'and Learned Member said, that the
clause had been copied from a former Act, in Which
there had been some ground for its ,introduction;
that was the Act of Elisabeth, which he' referred to
before. A Statute that did not confine itself to the
institution of a Board of Inquiry,, but erected a ju-
risdiction with power to issue orders and decrees.
was one thing to withdraw charities, having the su-
perintendance of special visitors, from the exercise
. _

_ average _
at five in the hundred, which, as the total number
eofxecmhpatriftmiesmwthase controulsaidtobo4Of
the,ooo wouldo leave 2,ooolllusion. Or if
atheaverage
wasstated in
was tothbeeßteakpeonmatththeree excepted in
the hundred,
amount
would be 1,200. If the whole endowments were to
be taken at 20 or 30,000, still there would remain
many hundreds which the clause, as it now stood,
would debar of the advantages of the proposed in-
be so modified, that all Charities, having special quir'y ; it was therefore of importance that it should
vi-
sitors, should not be indiscriminately exempted.
Mr. PEEL commenced by expressing his regret
that he had not been anticipated inhis view of the
subject by some one more competent than himself to
lay it before the House. He would, however, reply
to the arguments of the Honourable and Learned
Gentleman respecting the clause, with a sincere con-
viction of their inapplicability. The Right Honour-,
able Member then proceeded to observe oa the case
of special visitors. It had been said that cases of
that description ought to be included in the opera-
eon of the Bill, because in those where no special vi-
sitors had been appointed, the founder himself and
Ms heirs were by law regarded as visitors, and yet
they were liable to the controul of the Commission.
But he (Mr. Peel) was of opinion, that under such
circumstances the founder and his heirs were not vi-
sitors; but that visitors were in those instances ap-.
pointed by the Court of Chancery, or the Court of
Chancery was itself the visitor; so that there was a
most material distinction between the two cases, as
in the one instance the visitors were appointed by the
founder, and in the other, though there was a delft-,
km persona, yet it *as by a power different from the
act and will of the founder ; at all events, as the pos-
sibility of the failure of heirs male of the founder
Ins to be contemplated, some power distinct from
the will of the founder or that of his heirs was to be
looked to in the ultimate resource. As to the argu-
ment from analogy made use of by the Honourable
and Learned Member, he (Mr. Peel) did not hold it
in much estimation ; it was a very fallacious argu-
ment, and if adopted as to the question before the
House, would convey the principle of the Honour-
able and Learned Gentleman further than he himself
intended, as it would include the Universities. He
next proceeded to observe upon the constitution of
the Committees of Inquiry of the years 1816, 1817,
and 1818. He did expect that the re-appointment
of the Committee of the years before mentioned
would have been moved for, and then he would have
an opportunity of expressing, in the presence of that
Committee, his opinion of its predecessors: The sub-
ject had been amply discussed in other places. He
was of opinion that they had exceeded their autho-
rity, and he thought that that House should not be
the only place in which the conduct of that Commit-
tee was to be free from animadversion. The greater
the advantages were which were expected to result
*om the legitimate exercise of their authority, the
greater was the regret which eveff -tlirmNirrnind
would feel at their having abusid tharptrwer, 6-y`.
,acting under the influence of prejudice, or overstep-
ping the limits of their authority. The first Com-
mittee to which he wished to advert had been ap-
pointed after a speech of the Honourable and.Lear-
nod Gentleman, in the year 1816, in which speech he
'had induced the majority to believe, that the investi-
gations of the Committee were to relate: only to the,
education of the lower orders. It was at that time
moved, that a Committee should be appointed to in-
quire into the state of education of the lower classes
and also to obtain information respecting the chil-
dren of paupers carried about the streets of the Me-
tropolis, and not sent to any schools. Those who
had appointed that Committee had no idea of intrus-
ting them with the power of inquiring into the funds
of the great scholastic institutions--(Hear, hear.)—
When the case of paupers had been mentioned it had
'never been supposed that the Chairman of that Com-
mittee was to be invested with powers to summons be:
fore him the Master of Westminster School or Eton
College. It would be said, however, that the words
relating to paupers had not been added by the Ho-
nourable and Learned Gentleman, but by a friend of
his, now no mole; but it Was immaterial by whom
they had been added, as he only adverted to those to
shew what the avowed objects of the motion were,
and to prove that the great public schools were not
understood to be comprehended in its operations.
But it might be said, why had not that undue exer-
cise of its powers by the Committee been inquired
into at the time? The reason was, because the Re-
ports of the Committees of 1816 and 1617 had not
been printed during the sitting of Parliament ; and
although these Reports contained the examinations
C' the Masters of some great Public Institutions, and
ttliat of Dr. Wood, of Cambridge, yet they were not
printed until in the one, instance Parliament had been
prorogued, and in the other dissolved. It was worth
while to observe in wbatmanner the Committee had
beeri constituted; and this remark was the more fair,
as great jealousy was entertained with respect to the
appointment of Committees on the motion of any
Gentleman on the Ministerial side of the House. He
Secant to bring no. charge against individuals; but
be could not help stating the names of that Commit-
tee, in order to shew withwhat impartiality and ef-
'ficiency it had been'composed. He would divide the
*embers of that Committee into three classes. The
Ist, consisting of those,who might be called inde-
pendent Members, Gentlemen who voted occasionally
for or against the Administration • the second, of
those who rioted in' concurrence with the Honourable
'and LearnefiGentleuran;:. and..d third of such as
usually suptiorted.the measures of Government.—
The first classconsisttd'oftir names, which the Right
Plowable Gentleman tlien read, on which
Mr. BROUGHAM rose, to:a point of order, and
id, that it was nix riiht to enter into 'a discussion
the motives by which tice Parliamentari conduct
individuals was actuated.
Mr. PEEL re-stated, that he did not mean to im-
peach the motives which influenced the votes of

but only to describe them as coupon,
the Committee.
BROUGHAM explained, and then
PEEL read the names of those Members
'hat he called the second class, and
Ito seventeen.—()fear, hear.F..l•ll(
, he said, contained only three Ilatries,
see-ned to have been chosen, as beissgp
in unconquerable zeal in defenceof
education ; they were, Sir J. Shaw,
ins, and' Sir W. Curtis, three Horatu
ed fiom the Roman camp to defend the MU,/
—(Much laughter.)
Mr. BROUGHAM rose to remark upon
accuracy in the statement of the names.
Mr. PEEL contended that the names wl
had read were the authentic names of the Com;
as it had been originally appointed; but he
ledged that other names had been added from
to time. The Right Hon. Member then pr-
to observe, that by the Bill introduced to the
on the recommendation of the Report of du
mittee of 1817 for the appointment of a Comi
to inquire into the state of Charitable Instit;
Commissioners had been entrusted with power,
the House ought to be exceedingly jealous of
tin upon any individuals, particularly ir
feelings which existed with regard to the ex;
any very high authority. By a clause in
the power was given to any two Comnessi.
committing to any jell in the kingdom, with,
or mainprize, any person, who, on being sur
before the Committee, refused to produce any
or document relating, either in the whole or
to any charitable estate or funds, or to the
the education of the poor. When two Comi
were entrusted with such a power (for two c'
pd a Board), as to commit to any prison ei.
might think proper any person refusing to de
*paper in part relating to the education of 1
be would ask if people could any longer spec,
abuses of the Act of Habeas Corpus ?—(hea;
By such a Bill the Hon. Gentleman, who
great an advocate for liberty, did not hesitate
tion a Measure, which enabled two indivh.
commit a subject for retaining some trilliet
stunt, and who resided in Devonshire or Corn.
the Castle of Edinburgh, there to rema'n without
or mainprize, until he had satisfied the if:
sinners—(hear, hear). He then observed upon
conduct of the Committee, in the examination
Head of St. John's College, as uncourteoie
proper, as the question which they had put
Gentleman, conveyed an insinuation of corrui
Lives, which he repelled, by declaring that
lion contained an unjust and slanderous imj.
With respect to Eton College likewise, he con.
that the conduct of the Committee had been
indecorous ; he spoke of the Committee of 1
that instance, as in some others, the persons
awned were prohibited by oath, from divulgi
regulations of the Institutions, or producing
tutes ; yet the • Committee procured these
from another source, namely, the British .
and published them. He then remarked upo;
of the evidence of the Rev. P. Hyne, and Dr,
all, which went to prove, that the statutes
open to inspection, or ever printed. Yet,
mining this information, the Committee Eq
the stAtutel, and were not satisfied in publishing
miadortied text, but accompanied it with annotations
and marginal readings, calculated to prekh''
licmiud—(Hear,,bear.)—The Right Hon.
—theis quoted some of those marginal
which he contended Were likely to prevent ,
of a candid examination, and to make the
prejudge the merits.oi the case. He next proceeded
to states that the Committee had exceeded its -
as appeared by a letter dated the 10th of Jul,
a fortnight after Parliament had been dissok
alcourse when the powers of the Committee
hay.e been at an end ; as he (Mr. Peel) had
a friend who had applied to him to ascertain
Yet the letter of the 10th of July was dated
House of Commons, and signed by Mr. With
Clerk, and was addressed to all Clergymen
clected to send Returns according to the
ained in the Circulars which had been previoush
issued, and the answers were ordered to be a,'
to Henry Brougham, Esq. Chairman of the
tee at the House of Commons. This letter
enlated to establish a dangerous precedent,
hoped it had happened only by inadvertanct
events, he should like to find the mistake recti,
There was also a letter in the present Session
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, whit
hoped had also emanated from mistake, as it •
ko inquiries carrying on for the purpose for W
tornmittee, whose powers were then no mc
been appointed—(hear, hear). There was a
in the letter of the Hon. Member (Mr. Breue
a lamented friend of his, in which he claime;
for an act which was one of mere duty, and •
he had neglected would have been a gross b)
the trust reposed in him. It related to the
respecting the School of St. Bees, and whit.
dared he had denied access to at the time
Election for Westmoreland, because he wr
,salow it to be made subservient to electioneer')
poses—(hear, hear). The Right Hon. Gentlem:
glinted by observing, that the facts, with rest
tbe protraction of the Committee, constituted
gerous precedent, and, if they had originated
advertence, he would like to hear it explained.
, Mr. BROUGHAM rose to reply. He shoul;
advert, as briefly as possible, to what he shout,
.the gist of the question, and he could not hel',
ing the charges made by the Right Hon. Gen;
quite inconsistent with his usual candour.
tleiSanbwho had known the part which
Brougham) had taken on this subject, could
to the charges which the Right Honourable
man had brought against him, or could be
to perceive the motives by which they were I
Those friends with whom he had been always
tomed to act, and-whose support he invariabl
rienced, knew very well that the Right Hon,
tleman, the Member for Liverpool, whom
sot now see in his place, came down at the '
the last Session, to move on the part of
Lord, who, at least in this House, was recogn;
the organ of Administration, for some spec'
sure, with reference to charities, and urged it
mach, earnestness, that it would seem there
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a moment to be lost. The object of the notic;
Which the Right Honourable Gentleman le,
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a jurisdiction which __-.-.--.
at ousted those visitors of their the
het• delegated right ; and it was another thing to with- •ani
• draw such endowments from the inspection of a use
haoselior of power which not only did not erect such It tribunal TI
knot =kb- as was to oust the visitors, but was a power which He
n 1441461" would be ancillary to theirs. He had no. Objet ion
tt.add. that that the places ho would the specify shOuld-be ex- sai
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sities, with their college`, and' balisi'all Seibids and of
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Both these silleions were negatived. a*F . ' ilin he read a• ' r a*. - With respect to the number of Charities they would Mr. BR
The Earl ofIiARROWY prqposed an amend- • Ur. BROUGHAM approved of Certain parts of be free from inquiry, if tlicir having special visitors Mr. PE
meat, to provideihat, after the Ist of May, 1822,.4 the Bill. Ilse bettefits likely to .be produced by ii- should exempt them, ii.appeared, th...t the former posing wi
should be at the option of the Bank copal, either in were important fit the eaten*. If there was any Convnission had ascertained that out of the number amounted
craft or in /3111116 - one teration from its Feign shape likely to render
,of institutions of that kind to which they had given division, 1
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he had no its bene‘cial operation more extensive, it would be by their mention, amounting to 260, six bad special these seer
objection to this clause; be believed that nobody rendering its application much more general—that is
.visitors-; but be could positively affirm, that that display an
weule think it worth while to take bullion to the to say, to eiry species of charitable trust- hi justi- calculation was much within bounds. He had rea- of their ed
Mint'in order to have it coined. fication of this opinion, so expressed, he would. pro- son to believe that the tverage might be estimated man Atkii
Lord REDES'DALE said it would be. impossible Ceed somewhat at length to discuss the objections at five in the hundred, which, as the total number ei from t 1
rti... it I n ft• tn 1.0%111111b C.l•ll.ll2,liTlellta. until there 'ti•hich might be made against it, several of which, of charities was said to be 40,000, would leave 2,000 —Much
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