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a religious point view, the Queen riot excluded
by 'the omiesioticif hifiname, from the prayers of
the:congregation !—(Hear)--The point was not spe-
'cified as a thing that was to beconsidered or acted
upon,• until it came to be debated in the conferences
lately held respecting ber-Majesty. Therefore his
mind was impressed witka full persuasion that this
point respecting the-Liturgy, hatbeen 'considered
as a religious question, nor as a thing of such great
importance as was ascribed to it. This would be
shewn in a passage in the papers then before the
'House, from which it appeared that his Majesty's
Servants who had held the conferences, had not been
apprised of any demand respecting the restoration of
the Queen's name to the Liturgy ; for the Duke of
Wellington and Lord Castlereagh, when the'question
Was put to them by the legal advisers of her Mo-
desty, said they would report it to the Cabinet.—
[Acre the Honourable Member read from the first
Protocol of the Conferences, which were published
in the STAR of Tuesday, the passage relating to this
subjectj.—The Law Officers of her Majesty then
asked whether, in the event of the' proposition re.
specting the Liturgy not being adopted, any other'
proceeding could be suggested on the paxt of his
Majesty's Government, which might render her Ma-
jesty's residence abroad consistent with the recogni-
tion of her rights, and the vindication of her cha-
racter. This proposition also went to shew, that the
,question of the Liturgy was not considered in a re-
ligious point of view. Her Majesty's legal advisers
asked 'whether some mode might not be adopted to
serve as an equivalent for the omission of her name
in the Liturgy ? and spoke of her official introduc-
tion at foreign Courts, which those Gentlemen were
inclined to consider as a good equivalent—(llear).
This also went clearly to shew, that the question was
not considered as a religious one. The subject was
mentioned a second time, with a view that something
might be devised as an equivalent. It was, therefore,
a great relief to -his mind, that the question had not
been pressed by her Majesty's Advisers, on any reli-
gious principle. He was ready to grant that it was
not altogether respectfut to her Majesty to omit her
name; but he thought such an amicable adjust-
ment might be made as would be consistent with
her Majesty's honour, even if the omission still con-
tinued. His utmost desire was, to avoid that fatal
veep bag !—(Laughter, and cries of Hear, hear).—
This was a subject of too grave and serious a nature
for merriment. He was sure they must all feel as
he did on this melancholy subject; andino one should
Misconstrue the phrase he had used, for he declared,
that while there was a smile upon their lips, there.was
a pang at his heart. There *as one pirt of the ne-
gociauon which had given him the greatest satisfac-
tion. When it was required by her Majesty's Legal
Advisers that she should receive a recognition of her
rights, what greater recognition he asked, could she
have, than assurances from Parliament that her Ma-
jesty was not shrinking from any inquiry; but was,
in the opinion of Parliament, ready to meet every
thing that might be laid to her charge? He would
put it, then, to the Honourable Gentlemen who were
the Legal Advisers of her Majesty, whether this was
not the very sort of equivalent which they were in
search of, and whether it would not answer every
purpose that might be desired ?—With regard to the
Liturgy, hewould again repeat, that thgagestoration
of her Majesty's name to it was not consiaered as
matter of any importance. The omission of the
name could not be supposed to have any effect upon
;her Majesty abroad; because our Liturgy was as
little known in foreign countries on the Continent of
Europe, as it was in China or Japan. He should
now then come to What he had to propose. The
chief point to which he should draw the considera-
tion of the House was, Whether the Queen would not
go forth withoutUoy stigma on her character, after
Ishe had yielded to the wishes and authority of Par-
'lament ?—whether, after having • done so, and re-
ceiving the recognition of Parliament, all 7nputations
against her would not be removed? The dignity of
inoparchs would always be the greater, in propor-
tion as they wished to conform to the wishes and
feelings of the Parliament. And he was sure that
the Queen had enough of English feeling about her
to induce her to act in this way. He begged, then,
that he might be allowed to express his anxioushope
that the House would well weigh this question, and
take such a course of proceeding as might lead to an
amicable adjustment of all the unhappy differences
which now prevailed between the Royal Personages;
and if the recommendation of the House should he
attended to, what a benefit would accrue to the
Nation! If such an adjustment were to take place,
he should himself be the happiest of men, h....thinking
that he bad been the humble instrument in effecting
so great and advantageous a purpoie. He of
the House to consider the choice of evils with was
before it. He begged of Gentlemen to co fate the
good which must arise from adopting 'the course
then recommended by him, with the incalculable evil
that must follow from the adoption Of any other
course. His Honourable and Learned Friend had,
on a former evening, pointed out all those evils in
that able and eloquent manner which so peculiarly
.belonged to him ; and therefore he should not enter
into the particulars of what might be stated in the
course of a lamentable inquiry, from the very idea of
which be must turn away with disgust. He begged
of Gentlemen to consider what must be the situation
of the parties, in case his proposition was now ac-
ceded to, and an amicable adjustment were the con-
sequence; and what their situation must be, if his re-
commendation were rejected. la the first, the Queen
would gain many important adiintages. The cops
rage and resolution displayed by her Majesty, in ris-
solving to face her accusers, would stand highly in,
her favour. When it would be recollected that her
Majesty had manifested such resolution as this, the
supposition would be, that she had done so from a
consciousness of her innocence. He therefore again
tailed on Gentlemen to consider what must be the
situation in which the King and the. Queen, toe'
House, and, above% the Countrf, would placed,
if it became necessary to-enter-into the inquiry.--
Should Ole present motion be rejected, he hoped it

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expressed wish _
defect appeated in his itlnwent, he hoped his defi-
ciencies would be supplied by the dreadful alterna—
,
five before them ; and oh/might the consideration of
the Vast, the unknoWnivas,. the contentions and rise
recriminations which would flow from the inquiry;
induce the-House ere yet it was too late, and induce
her Majesty to take that course which would avert
'proceedings so fatal w tbeinterests of all patties, an&
solnjurious to the-dignity of the Clown and the tran-
quillity of the country. He wished' to add, it was
his sincere desire that the King and Queen, the Par-
liament and the Country, should feel that they had
but one common course to puriue, and that the inte-
rests • .of all parties were the same—(Hear, hear!)—
lie felt persuaded that the course which he was
about to recommend to the House to pursue was that
which it would become them to take, and that the
task which he would assign to them was, that which
could only be imposed on a dignified and important
body—was the highest that they could be required
to take upon themselves, as. it called upon them- to
act as a mediator between' iwo. personages of such
.
eXalted rank. He hoped the proposition, with which
he was about to conclude, would meet with their
approbation. • If lie should be so unfortunate as to
fail, his consolation would be, that he had done all
in his power to erect a termination of the existing
differences in the Royal Fainily, by again calling on
the House to consider in the same spirit which had
been manifested in every part of the late conferences,
to avoid, if possible, the necessity of entering into
that enquiry, the evils of which could never be over
estimated, and which must be productive of the most
injurious conseqtrences to all parties concerned in
them, as well as to the Empire at large. He concluded
by moving an Address to her Majesty, stating—
.. That that House had learnt with unfeigned and deep regret,
that the Life endeavours- to frame an amicable arrangement;
with a view to avert *the necessity of instituting an inquiry into
the information laid Wine the two Houses of Parliament, had
not led man adjustment of the differences now unhappily exist-
ing in the Royal Family, so anxiously desired by that House,
and by the Country. That the House was fully sensible of the'
difficulty which her Majesty might justly feel eat' taking upon
herself to relinquish any point in which her own dignity and
honour were involved ; yet, feeling the inestimable importance
of effecting an amicable and final adjustment of the differences
alluded to, it could not but be of opinion, when such large ad-
vances bad been made towards meeting the wishes of the Queen,
that her Majesty, by yielding to the earnestly expressed wishes
of the House, and forbearing to press those points on which
there was most difficulty in coming to an arrangement, would
not be understood to do anything that could mark a wish, on
her own account, to avoid an inquiry into her conduct, but
would only give a new proof of her readiness to submit to the
,decision of Parliament, thereby entitling herself to the grati-
tude of that House, by sparing them the painful necessity of
instituting proceedings, and of entertaining discussions, which,
whatever might be their result, could not be other than dirs.
tressing to the feelings of hex Majesty, disappointing to the.
hopes of Parliament, derogatory to the dignity of the Crowp,
and injurious to the best interests of the Empire"—(Hecte, hear),
He would add one word more. He could almost
•wish, for the first time, that the eloquenCe of the
Honourable Gentlethan. near him were-this night to
be•exerted rather in his character of a Member of
Parliament, than in that of an advocatefor the Queen;
for, in the latter character, he feared that he might
consider it to be his duty to find objections to -the,
course which he (Mr. Wilberforceihad recommended,
that he would not seek to discover in the former ca-
pacity., He hoped the Honourable and Learned'
Gentleman would dismiss' any feeling like that which
Ihe had supposed he might have, and that be, re-
membering that the honour of her Majesty was con.'
nected (as he hoped, inseparably) with the honour
and interest of this country, world feel that her
honouf could- not be better sustained, and her inte-
rests better consulted, than by yielding to Use' wishes
of that House.
.h.tr. S. WORTLEY thought the House and the
century could not desire a better pledge than they
bad in the character of the Hon. Gentleman who had
brought that question before the House, that it was
dictated `by a sincere deSire to heal the differences
known to exist in the Royal Family, and had nothing
to do with-party. If the present motion *ere re-
jected, he,could not: see that any course was left open
for them but to proceed (aware as they all professed`
to be of the evils to follow) to enter upon the in-
viry. They must,then• proceed to look into the in-
formation which had been laid before the House ;
and, for months to come, the country would be
plunged into a state of agitation which every friend
to it must sincerely deplore—(Hear, ricer!).—Gen-
tlemen would all that time have theirbouses filledwith
publications which every friend to decortun would
wish to avoid. He hoped that her Mak*, would
accede to such arrangements as had been proposed
during the late negociation, and in Which -her Ma-
jesty could not be supposed to admit anjtbing with'
which she had been. charged, nor the Government to
retract anything that bad been advanced. He Con-'
, chided with seconding and giving his hearty concur-
rence to the motion.
Mr. BROUGHAM took the liberty of presenting
himself to the Speaker thus early in the debate,'
partly because, in consequence of the indisposition
under which he laboured, he was fearful that at a
later hour he might be unable to deliver his senti-
ments on the question before the House, and partly
because he was anxious thus early to express, with-
at candour which he owed to the Honourable Gen-
tleman, aid with that respect for the character of
that Honourable Gentleman which his long and un-
remitting labours jn the cause of humanity had in-
,spired in the House and the Country, that he could
net vote for the proposition which he had now
thought it his duty to bring forward. He could as-
sure his-Honourable Friend; that he felt some satis-
faction in being able thus early to reject the compli-
ment (if it were meant as such) which had been paid
to him towards the close of the Hot iii c
Gentle-
man's speech, where he stated, that
of his having the honoir to hold the high office of
one of tier Majesty's Legal Advisers, he aught
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duced to come to a decision on this question dif7l
,ferent from that wbich be might come to if he con-
sidered it as a Member of, that House. He begged•
to say, that be should thick he acted a pareincon-
listen% viii 4 his duty. in his fotMerpapacity,. if, he did,
[in discussing thii business suffer it in a ref-

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' fai!iire Of the late eegociations placed
Anctividual who was the subject of
them. Here, in. the outset, to spew that he was 'Acting
in tbucharacter of a ..ludge, rather than in that Gf
'one of het Majesty's Law Officers, he .would admit,
as in candour he was bound to do, not speakiit even
as a negotiator, that no little advantage ilwc been
gained for her Majesty by the late negociation.. It
Was material that all parties fin that House and in
the country should remember, that the oily N.s:s on.
which those negociations could be commenced, was
the -.acknowledgement of her high and unimpeach;
able claim to the title of Queen of England. Thai;
she should be so recognised was the only sine gati
non which she had advanced. Ou other pciints, al'
rernatives were suggested ; it was on this alone. dm:
she was inflexible, and with respect to Which_ she
would hear of no alternative that
,fixiislit be in the
contemplatioo of the opposite party--(ffeer, hears.
For this she had called for no equivalent, for, in iw
estimation, no equivalent could be Offered.; and she
therefore claimed the Unqualified repignition of her
rights and her rank as Queen, which recognition she
obtaiitedbefore the late negociations were opened.—
Another &int he wished to press on the House—her
Majesty, from what cause he would not take upon
himself to say, had not come to thjs country with
the pomp, apparel, and circumstance,. usually the
appendages of Royalty. It was now offered, if at
;any time it should
.suit her convenience to. visit. the
IContinent, to allow her all the pomp and circum.
*once usually appropriated to .persons of her _exalted
rank !—(Hear, hea ').-A-Sone nicht. thiqk got ittcle
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were matters of light. importance,. but *.icisits .r.t
this description little matters were :Of greak:CoriSe-
quence; and as the neglect of such atceilt!c.
.went
to throw a-reproach on her Majesty, So.thetr,Ohserv-
ance was proportionably important to her catise. It
was also to be remarked; that.thottgli her claim to
,an.unqualified admission to fereign Courts had not
been acceded to,- yet somethink_of,thekind, 'flowing
' horn the same 'source, and rounded on the same
principles which regulated :the feareaLeadmission to
those Courts, bad been offeredor ShtLerts,..also as-
sured that the Ministers of thier,..couttpi .19, itmieisit
pans, should be instructed to-treat hee.with " suit-
able respect and attention :"-(it ,was Uht. .She old
cold instruction to contribute to her " comfort and
convenience;") and it was to be notified, officially
notified, to any Court near which she Might clicoeb
tit reside, that she was Unquestionably Queen cai
England; that she was so by the law of England; and
this being made known; she was- to -be dealt: with
according to the etiquette of the Ccurt which she
Might happen to approach !—(feu-; Aear).-,Lastly,
it was not immaterial 'to remaie, that there was Ira
objection tp a stipulation, that io the. event °Lite
aLegociations bei9g brought to, 2n amicable &nolo.
aeon .(he hoped it ivOttld not bethought. diiestec. tful
tto-the 'Moose to have-mentioned this out. of. karlia-
*lent), Addresser on ilte..part of Parliament shoted
be moved to the King,Qpe and ers., thatilinglieth for
*Or compliance with what, Was declared tohe. tins
expressed wish- of the Houst.--( Hear ).—So* much
had beet conceded to her, whom, four months ago,
every one had 'hesitated to call Queen—who, ie the
conversations which had passed within: these walls,
had been called " an Illnstrious Female"—"a-High
Personage"—" a Great Laily'-'—and " a Female much
interested in 'these conversations;'-0 whom every
sort of paraphrase was applied, to avoid calling
her by the title of Queen-iffeeir; bean (seer).—low
this course was no longer to be tiered in. She
was to be announced to foreign Powers' 'as Queen of
,BnglAnd! ' Yachts; frigates, or other ships of War,
were be ai her command to transport 'her to anv
place that-ihe /night Wish to.•iiSit ; and Daftly, it had
beep consented, itr a &laid' eAse, to move Addresses
to her fidni both Hoiritbst'df P'arliameat. Were these
Addrestes to be iraed lbtoilin ,Illustrious Female"—
" a High Personaget,..t.Vat'Great Ladyk—or ".a dis-
tinguished Female muehniitifested lathe proceedings
of that House?" NOLLilleVas to be addressed as
Queen by her husband'ilithjects—who were to carry
their Address to the fact. ofher Majesty's Throne !
This was,agreed to by Ministers, if the negociations
had terminated in an amicable arran nt ; and
lastly came the Resolution of his Hon. t'erill, every
line of which teemed with expressions of the most
profound respect applied to her, who afew mouths ago
all were so cautious about calling Queen I The Hon.
Gentleman had argued as if the Queen bid gained
nothing in the late negociation. The Hon. Gentle-
man had moved, perhaps, in a more select circle dean
he bad done, lately—(A largh)—or he -would have
come to 'a differeht opinion. If he had seen as many
Members Of Pirliameni as he (Mr. Brougham) had
letely, wS.Wito bins bad been felt -it a greater ho-
mer than 4 salikaition,TOr be bad found it extremely
painful-to dilWeen certain points hoar Co many with
whom he.had been accustomed to act,`and whom he
most ever respect, as.he had been obliged to do ia the
discharge of his duty to his Illuitzious Client. It had
been painful for him to hear from these whOremem- •
bered the situation in which things had'sfood four
months ago, who certainly' were able to read, who
could decypher any print however smakind spell
any word however hard ; it had at once -pained and
surprised him to hear from these that her Majesty had
gaited nothing by the late negociationskper).—
The Queen's Law Officers had never abne
_their
duty to their Client, and they hadgaiked•Rimuch
forfher, that there was no longer any attempt made
to impeach her title. Whatever Parliament might
now be disposed to do, however determined to in•
quire, and however resolute (as he understocia it was
if the present motion failed) to. open the Green Bag
(to- which the Queen on her own account could have
no objection) ; however this might be, he would still
stand on the rock of the basis of the late negociations,
and looking at the recognition which had raten place,
he would put it to the House; whether it was not their
doty-to sanction resistance on the part of the Queen,
till one further step were conceded ? The questica
respecting the insertion of the Queen's name in the
Liturgy had not been made so much a sine qua nen
as not to admit of au equivalent being otterea. Her
Majesty first required as a basis fur the negotiation.,
that be rank should be tecoznizetla and this bcin

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