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retied' ngs of the Association-veryestberte fa i from
thooght they bad acted with lolly upon many
occasions, and veiylitludiciously; bet still he could
not stigmoixe the allusions the Si..erch was calcu
I ited to do, aril as the Address confirjnest. He
was free to achnti that the AssociatiOniwas incon-
sistent with the Constitution, and therefore it was
il'egal; but it was not inconsistent with the spirit
of the COnstitution.for the people had the undoubted
right of expressing their opinions, and detailing their
grievances, and where could they do it better than by
a public meeting and union, which was open to all de-
nominations of Christians?—(Hear). It was a danger.
cus precedent_ for the people to look to a P•iwer inde•
pendent of the Government, an] it was highly neces-
katy that Parliament should take care that they did not
a••-at the same tifte he thi•ught that the power, danger,
and existence of this present state of things, would be
put an end to by the measures now propo ed. Upon
most occasions he had differed with the Right Hon.
Gentleman. On the present he had done infinite credit
to himself by the course which he had token—(Cheers).
_lle was placed in a painful and etbbiorassing situation.
He had sacrificed his private feelings to his sense of pub-
lic duty—to the duty which he owed his country, pre-
letting that, and that alone, to evetyconsideration of a
Private nature. Not even the emoluments of office, nor
that poster and commandininfluence which it gave-
-110( even the ties of friendship-the good opinion of his
essoci .tes, would have operated to induce him to con-
'tinue , consistent in his opinions, seeing that the good
of 1 is country was at stake; an] thetefore the Right
Gentle Mao had sacrificed all these inducements—
lie had des; ised the cry of " Consistency," and had
brought forward the' measure of Emancipation—
(Che'r-). Ile might have gained popularity—he might
have been I lodes! to the skies, if hefted preserve! his
Consistency, and retired from office—the count, y, from
-one end to the other, would have been convulsed, had
the Right lion. Gentleman contii;ued consistent—he
would have been praised for his consistency, and
ssiiiilJ hay- reaped the reward of temporary poeulari y
et th pt ice—but be cho-e the wiser, the. mote honour-
able course—(Cheels). It was a satisfaction to find that
the measure of Ebsincipati.:n would be accomplished—
by whom i(was imro.sible to say—but it would be ac.
coMplished ;•and truth, justice, and liberality, would
'eventually prevvil—(Cheert). tie bad no doubt but that
Ist tie opposition a ould be shown to the measure of
scipatiou, except by a faction as insignificant in numb% rs
as In talents—(Hear)—who claimed the exclusive
:praise of loyalty' o their Sovereign, but who were active
rn vituperation and seditious language, disgraceful to tt e
cause which they were con,ciousthey had lost (Climes)
'Although the nieasure (f coercion was cr u, led with
Abe great measure of Emancipation, he co slid not go
the Ingth of adm•ttirig that they would at once remove
-alllba diffi ulties which a long system of mismanage.
meat by the Government had ent.ilei upon Ireland—
'Meer, heart. The Hon Member tiers, in allusion to
'the enlightened view which the Government had taken
'of the subject of Emancipation, quoted a passage from
'the Sicted.ll9 k, to show that they bad followed the'
doctri- e. then ells set down. It could not, he said, be
ezpected that the agitation and disturbances, which had
so I, ng •el cte,l ',child, would all at once subside; it
wi uld eel sully be requi to to apply isese e curb to
fettle the kingdom into b.4:,its of tranquillity. In tl e
present state of ',viand it %fluid be necessary that a
strong aniresineo; should be administered, in accom
panting the measure of conciliation; nor could Minis-
, ter. ask Jess than they now asked—tHearj—not. as a
•peemoilaent infringement upon the Constitution. but as a
weans of precaution. Under thee ciiconittauccs, lie
• wild give the measure his Assent. •

St, E. KNATCHUULL Amid he •houhl not havr
risen list fur some obwrgrations made by the Honourable Gentle-
man whip spoke Isst—(lli4r, heir). lie was ready to admit that
diffurences•-of opinion were to be entertained upon questions with
doe courtesy, and be certainly did aspect that the tame latitude of
. speech would be allowed to him that the Honour.ible Gentleman
had imiulged in—not that be wished to speak in anger, to vitupe-
rate, to reproach—but to give a fair, candid, and reasonable ex-
pression of his feeling's upon the question of Emancipation (Cheers).
The Honourable Gentleman, no doubt, bad spoken unintentionally
and unwarily when he charged tins with using language of a fee-
times nature. lie would always observe that temper in discussion
which best portrayed his &chugs. With respect to the proposi-
tion of the Right lion. Gentleman, be would offer no opposition;
. hut he was afraid be could not tomcat to give it his support, on
the ground that it was essential to the safety of the country, and
to the honour and dignity ief the Crown. The ezhtence of the
Catholic Association bad long been injurious to the security
of the country. Whether within the last six months circum-
stances had arisen to make it necessary for the Government to
Interfere. he could not say—at least be could not discover any—for
precedents taut'of number, anterior to that period, were not want-
ing to show the necessity—( Hear, bear). He would ask, what was
there in the violence of the Catholic Association—in the dace of
society of Ireland, so different within that period as to justify In-
terposition on the part of Government? Nothing that he could
nee—(Hear. bear). With respect to the great question—that of
Emancipation—nothing had since occurred to make him change
'his opinion, though other Gentlemen bad discovered enough for
changing theirs. The situation in which be (Sr Edward) was
placed, w,s a delicate one—if any thing he might say bore the cha-
racter of invective, he would be content to suffer—but it was well
known the Hight Hon. Gentleman had been cheered throughout
F.r.gl-nd as the Champion of the Protestant cause. It was true, if
-C-entlemen changed their opinions, and found themlehtes in error,
.they night retract ; so the Right Hon. Gentleman was at libetty
.to review his cu duct. Fur h instil, he (Sir K.) entertained the
aante opinions. Nothing he had heard this night had changed them,
and be wished the Hight Hon. Gentleman bad preserved his.

Mr. PEEL rose tot explain. lie said that it was nee
celsary that he should art the 'loft. Baronet
,right upon a matter
'Witch lathail stated in hitaddress to the Honer. The Honourable
Baronet bad said that he (Mr Peel) was bailed by the people of
Englund as the champion of the Protestant cause, whilst he was in
his own mind determined to abandon that cause upon the present
occasion. Now. be declared, upon Isis honour, that although at the
Time aUuded to be had certainly made up his mind as to the course
which he should adopt if he were in a private capacity, yet, as he
bad then every hope of being able to nuke the disclosure in this.
circumstances. he had deterred it until aft.r he .boul4 have retired
from oßce. The cour.v of events had, bowsvet, huh no alter.
'wive but to make the explanation in a public character, and the
time had not yet arrived when he could do so with propriety.
Mr. G. MOORE wonIU hot oppo,e the moron csf the
Thjkt Hon. Gentleman. Ile had no wish to interrupt the trans
(*Oily of the debate, but for the observations of the I lotsuursble
Gentleman (Mr. V. Stewati), whose tone and temper he would
trot follow. With respect to the -Catholic Astciatiori. within
the last twelve months, he bad, in and out M Parliamtut, re
peatedly expressed his opinions upon their conduct ; he had, iu
tact, presented a. petition upon the subject. and had pointed out
the existence and the increase of the evils arising from that
Association, which was shaking the very foundations of civil
liberty—(He. r, friar, bear). He would support the motion upon
grounds fat different from thrift stated by the Honourable Member
for Preston and the Noble Lortl—be supported it fur reasons
contrary to those brought forward by them. At the stow time,
he was ready to'give credit to every part of the Bright Honourable
Gentleman's statement, but be would ask the House from whence
did the evils which he had described arise? He (11r. M.) would
reply—lran the confidence shown by the Catholic Association—
Isom the daring proceedings of that body—from destroying the
authority between liandlord mad tenant. These were the causes
which had produced the evils. To whom was the country in.
sighted for the disturbed state of Ireland? To the tumultuous as-
seinbUts—to tke direr.; proceedings of the Association—to the
Logone held by the leading Members, calculated to produce (ss
it did Produce), a system of danger vrblch had Intimidated the Go-
vernment. Why had Governmentauffeted these proceedings so Ion,:
to continue ? :fneir conduct afforded cause for serious reflection,
that one branch of the cause of the evils was the disunion in Ms
M jetty's Councils. Now, if the Human Catholics were allowed
'neuter the Legi-lature—to sit In the Couricris of the station with
a view to promote the interest, of the Empire, what a source foe

kasha wanlibs mewelild,4lloa• gfit thls Iltesad be
the onnoqmose, mud daMl .the Conedlntion ninaVbst its itetarrem
dered and thee reeenstrueWdert(Helle. Mar). As to the. Prose.
tants of Ireland, a wreps.,litimairt bad been,
:tante of their feel-
logs.. What impanels/meld& fie 'timbal to diet petitkin already
prevented upon the sobjeationf (Kmendpstioo, loickiildroitt tell. He
would have one shortiuto.presetat point of
eignstures than the onese t 0.,.. With relipeirete dit'power to
be vested In the Lord Lieutepant,:k would he alpinist* neon.
eery that most cadent and vigorous powers should be vested id
that person for suppressing the Catholic AseodiStien,lind any other
meeting of a similar sod equally dangerous taideory, widebtellabt
Greet itself epos the ruins.—(Loud cries of War, bear). The Pro
instants of Ireland •wert anlious to testify their loyalty, and be
trusted means would not be taken to represithent.
Sir JOSEPH SYDNEY YORKE 'said,- he must beg
the House not to imagine, because be rose immediately after the
Honourable and Learned Member, that he was 'odor to follow
him through his long, learned, and luminous speech—(Laughter).
He (Sir Joseph) had no such intention; and he rose, in the first
instance, to impress upon the mind of the Hon. Member opposite
his error in presuming that he (Sir Joseph) was compelled, in con-
sistency, to give his vote against the present measure.. He bad
considered (routine King's Speech that this Bill would be the first
chapter of the Acts of the Apostles. He wished to ask a Member
of the Catholic Association, whom he saw in his place opposite,
whether be was at the last Session of the Association, when the
violence of their gs amounted to the greatest insult to this
country? The (3=elliirlitator had tbere,pledged !timed( to the
removal of all Catholic restrictions—to unqualified Fattancipation.
Furthermore be said (at least be, Sir J. Yprke, liked if he did any
so), that when he came into that House (where, from his long
letter, be supposed be could come), the first thing be Wduld do
would be to disc*. the bated Union. Is was linportant to know
if skis all-powerful body, the Association, coulf make it. agents
do this. •
'Mr.VILLIERS STEWART et-via not himself answer
the Hun. and Gallant Member; but he could fisfoilin Min that the
great agitator was in town, and probably be might won be in a
situation to answer the,GaUant Officer's qmetion..
Mr. W. O'BRIEN said, that ii any thing.coold en-
hance his Majesties .most • gracious reconuneodition from the
Thrace, it was the lannusge.and manner in which it hartbeest con-
veyed. He could OM very little credit to that man who could be
tke last to accede to ouch an ant of grace and mercy.
Lord MILTON.seid; that not being a Member of the
Catholic Asnictatten, be could not answer the question put by the
Gallant Admiral to hi. Hen. Friend, the Member lot Waterford;
but he could say for kimacif, tharentess the present motion was to
be followed by unqualified Betamelpatioa, it should not have his
support. lie concurred witlStbe Right Hon. Gentleman in think-
ing that a measure confessedly anomalous end professing to be
temporary. was far less likely to be injurious to the Constitution
than one of milder character, and framed apparently more con-
sistently with the Constitution. But the principal object of his
tiling was to vindicate the Catholic Association from the charges
which bad been brought against it. For his own part, be thought
that Ireland and th 4 country were both deeply indebted to that
Association. lf, however, the second chapter was not to take
effect, it would be Tay difficult Weaker to persuade him that
this first chapter was not to be renewed. When large bodies of
men had political grifemees to untspilin of. it *tented better and
er that there should be oldie organ, like the Aseeciation,tbrough
which tbeir grievances nottwishes might be expressed. than to
bete them break out inacts of towage and violent,. He was not
surprised at the warmth !of the -Hon. Baronet;dteliember for
Kent (Sir B. Knatebbull); it might appear in'solite measure justi-
ii some words which fell from the Member:for Preston (Mr.
Stanley). He felt confident, however, that in any thing which had
fallen from his Hoo. Friend (Mr. Stanley), he meant no impute-
don upon any Member of that House. The lion: Baronet (Sir IL
Knatebbull) said he should have honoured tile'. Right Hon. Slim-
y (Mr. Peel) more had he remitted at the head of that party of
which he bad been so long the ornament. He thought
from the Hon. Baronet. It appeared to him thattbe greener the
sacrifices which that Bight Hon. Gentleman knew he 'must, make
by a change of opinion, the greater credit there was due to him far
avowing it. That he bad made great sacrifices no penes could
deny, and the manner is which he acted, in the face of so assay
difficulties, rendered Alm worthy of the highest applause—(Hmr).
What be had done was far more honourable to him than if be bad
continued in the situation he bad abandonlif—the representative
of a great and powerful community.

L)rd MORPETH supported the motion. With re.
spec: to the measure. be thought it. was founded mied the most
correct views' and, connected with the Eneencipmien el the Ree
man Catholic body, was entitled to their tenon and gratitude.
He Mought a great deal of unnecessary ahem bed.been heaped
upon sin Catholic Amociation ; for it was espedient that they
should have some organ through which to tell their grievances.
The Honourable Aleniber for Dublin bed attributed to them all
the evils which bad &Mined Ireland. This was not the cue ; nor.
indeed, did be think any of them were. • He believed. that the
members of that body would not feel angry with the Honourable
Member for his opinions ; they were in too good a bonteur to be
otherwise thau pleased. If Catholic Emancipation is to be achieved.
it will be in consequence of the conduct of the Government. The
Noble Lord had lately visited Ireland. and from what be bad there
seen of her wrongs, he was satisfied that the measure of Emmet-
pukes would be dse only one for securing the peace of the cottony.
Mr. R. G RANT had no wish to embarrass the Right
Honourable Mover; bur be begged to say that be did not collect
any distinct grounds for the measure of Emancipation. With re-
' spect to the arguments of the lion. Baronet, they amounted to this
—that lithe measure was necessary. the samoground ealsteal three
or four years ago. For himself, be was rather adverse to the men.
sure for putting down the Association. because it partook too much
of the character of •Isegialation. But at the same time he was pre.
pared to support it, because it added esly one drop to the cauldron,
which unhappily for Ireland was boiling over: In carrying into
effect the great measute of Emancipatiou. be was glad to place con
fidence in Ministers, for having so far caused the great messes* of
relief for the Catholics, consequent upon the subject gemmed this
night. He, however, could not think that the question of Ranan•
cipatloo had hi the least been altered for the last twenty years—there
might, to be sure, be shades of differences—some prejudices to
overcoats. known only to the King's Government, which might
give It 'a new colouring. With his most earnest endeavours he
would support Ministers, and cordially support the preposition.
Mr. BANKES wished to ask the Honour Ible Mrlll-
- whether he believed that the Association was not dangerous to
the Constitution? and he asked his Majesty's Government why it
had endured it so long? why the subordinate Law Odicent had
not put it down? It wee base to allow it. He believed the pre-
sent day was almost the 'anniversary of the passing of tbet Act
for putting down that Association foot years since, and which had
been introduced by the Honourable Headroom himselt, when Se-
cretary fee Ireland. There was another charge against Ministers
—nut that they bad suffered the Association to exist an long—but
that they had ow applied to Parliament before for stronger powers.
The Right Honourable Gentleman had talked of the danger being
greater now, but who made it greater? Was it not Ministers, by
conniving so long at the existence of this kweciation. Willre-
spect to the measure. he entirely concurred in it, because he thought
at was well calculated to et et the object itheitio view—an object
,which ought to have been met four years sloes. Muth bad been
said of ibe character of public nsen, but oohing tended more to
impair that character than the frequent changes °Libel,. opinion.
• l'he Marquis sit TAVISVOCK vas atution. to state
the grounds upon which be supported tbelismeares in question.—
ile could out consent to lose a great good at the price of a small
evil, and therefore he was inclined to support It, hoping that it would
pas. as a preliminary to the givat measure of Manancipatitto, so
essrutidly necessary to the peace and prosperity of Ireland.—
Ministers were eutitkd to the confidence and gratitude of the Em-
pire for having brought it forward.
DOIIER 11, the Solicitor General for Ireland,
was disposed to deliver his sentiments, In consequence of his inti-
mate knowledge of the state of Ireland. But be particularly wished
to make a few observations upon what fell from the Hun. Member
Sir. Bankes). Wbe.her right or wrong, be (Mr. D.) had held the
sante course—be hid set his fees against the Catholic Association
as strenuously a 4 he had advoosted the cause of Catholic Emend-
pation. lie bad, during the last Session of Parliament, invariably,
when on the subject of Ireland, stated that it was impossible
things could go on as they were then—be had stated this divas.
sensately and unconnected with party—be had said, " You must
.ither go back to the system of coercion, erg.) on with comillatkat."
He now thanked Gun the Government had beeen induced to act,
after having eaantined. the subject, in accordance with his re-
coatmeudalion. Ile could oat agree with the Hon. Member,
as to the disgrace of reviewing past conduct. This House was I
what is called a deliberative Assembly, and was it not proper to
review and deliberate upon the best coarse of action?—(Hest). It
was impossible the lino. Member could know the state of Ireland I
so well as be sod ether Irk* fiembeti; they resided nearer .ote-:
scene of action.-tbey were moving Melt Spot. to spot, and noyike
the Hots. klembeedised to one from &mien to
Session, in one piace..-jn the sante 'posture—to the mum shush.
dew—(Hear,-brat). He (Mr.'D.) 64' Sated last &Woe tke
situation of 'lreland ; eight esontits•frad stkred, and It was grow.
ins rapidly werse—(Hear. hear). Irk Kiehl Hoe. Friend had
quiftd Into that situation, bad found lino, and was of opinion with
hint that (binds could but matinee set loader in the present state
vshboot great danger to the public pence of Ireland. Religious
feelings were mingled with the , which added to the bit-
; terneu of the grievances. The We Member bad talked

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