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same mode would be followed
try, because, rnelanchol' -
tain assembly,
eutpublic virtue as '
*united people. He was
be heard. On
was discussed in the
were absent, 'met the:.
upon that great question,
reedy againot all such spat.
Representatives—his immediate
vu to propose an amendment
vu.tech of the Hon. Baronet,
own conclusions from ,Mketi,that
he did not think it for the honour •of _ my/ test:
allow a man to present their Petition
wean to support tt ; or who, at least, shewed that he
had not the candour of an Englishman; to • tell his
constituents how he would ncr; or Whether he 1,0i114.,
oppose them or not. • If-. the HOnoterabte Bironet ,
thought his supporting that'Petition inconsistent With
his past conduct—(" and, I confess, said
he has great reason to think so"—laughter)—but,if he
ought so, why did he not-tell. them so at once ? He. I
th
could mot have hesitated frOrt any cautions discretion
upon the subject, for Sir EdWard was a very sauguine
run (laughter), then as he did not Pledge himself to.,
support it, he would move that the Honourableßa-
tenet should not present 6'14 Petition, but 'that their
worthy
Representative, Mr. ndenywood, do. present
the same to the Houseof Cotnitionx* Holy-
wood only. (44Pldrus") •
• -R •
[Here Mr. Ryder consented 'to -deter hia
.ejulte.
tlen till Sir William Geary's mo.tioit was dispoSedpf.]
Sir William's motion. having been put buy.
tiff,
Sir EDWARD KNATCII:ISULL again rose, and ob-
served, that-the I.lon. Baronet b.ticliiever said a truer
word than that by which hihad described him as a
wry sanguine man-4iiireta most tangniner—always
sar.itiiie to dr his duty, to the best of hisiudgment,
trills conscience, by tilosi But
he dune pohiicly declared, 'that Tie newel...pi:odd con.
get to go fetteied into Parliatiatnt.. 'Oh= there were
Nix cries of " You are fettirect--yoii have been ;illutiy:
fired.'.') If there ever *is for Reform brought
tag Parliament, he pledged himself to support it, if
bethought (a laugh) if he theught tbe plun a good
ee ) . What ! (exclaimed Sir Edward) do not
you all Clain) the right of opinion t and Will You deny
oat right to me ? • (Afuritsurr, wit# ;rig of .
;6, Orckr, tflc.) I Wile itig4 tote hurt..; (Here
*Freeholder exclai Med, “ Ire Will bear.you-patiently
.-brit speak to the point. Will yo 4 'support Re-
hm CrieJ Of drawer Adis.
Sir Folvaan'proceeded, laddiessing. bimielf to the
tretliolder—,* Sit, I have not the honotar of knowing
; but if you. wish now to address tbe.Meeting. I
rrtl not interrupt not,"l beg yOu wanot iu-
tempt. me." (illsfilettilis,- wit' cries .filyn;lllk
di a fair Awrili--,—.Ortier, Lle.) •

:...:, ..

Sir Ernst; then reitiMeit 'GentUnite ,io.the
course of the. last Sessinn of Parliament Mr. Brand, a
tux distimlguished.-Mernber 'Cif-the .HOuse Corn-
prim, bronght inti+artla ;notion relating to Reform.
Fe iitrodueed.it With 'alr that genline modesty inse-.
Fable front ttet:Merit, and he 'candid dated,
niter 51-zing thei:euellne of his plan, that there were in
it many points respedting which the evidence adduced
did not strictly warrant the conchisions he 'himself
lad generally in them. Here, then, there
were doubts in the breast of the author respecting the
truth or fallacy raf many prts of his own. plan, though
to long digested and nlainred. And yet, will you,
now demand of your" Representative to pledge him-
self precipitately to a blinds support of plans he cannot
yst hose any thing about, and of which be may
`isapprove ? tell You frankly.l will, .tat
of my life; go Unshackled into.** House
(Murmurs.) e
You have not yet said whether or
. support our petition. You can, however,
section to answer this question—Ought seats
se of Commons to be bought and sold r'
KNATCHBULL" If Mr. Ryder had conde*
consult with Me as he had done with my
Member, he should hive never found me to
giving him an •answer to this question, or
and I have now no hesitation in declaring
inion, that Seats in Parliament ought not
at and sold"—(applatues).
DER---" Then how did you vote on the
ferred against my- Lord Castlereagh, for a,
the sale of those Seats"—,(a general cry*
!bat ! answer that !.
'r.NATCUBOLL—a Do jai expect an honest
'.-;-(General laughter). - -
)ER—" If you please,,Sirl4Ward.",..l • '•*l
,NATestuur.l.—..ts Then I declares UPSiYsy
the face of the County, tbatl,danotnow,
whether I was, Upon thit pccAsou, in. khot
aot."—(ffere et 4 were 4#084. ague:mho' -el
.be son, witti some laughter.) . .. • • f:.
GEARY agreed in .the propriety px mot
Honourable Gentlenrats's observation,res.
necessity of leaving every Member .of Park.
right of free deliberation. 'lie would not.,
man shackled 'either by those with Opt the
hose within it; bht it was unfortunate for
onourable Baronet's professions in fa4dUr of
tat he hstd•never yet voted In favour of,any.
iash on the subject. hlr. Brand's siltation
thennqualified adoptibn of his plan,or.of
man's' plan —it was 'Merely a motion, fort.
Commatet—in other words, for agrecjog
question info Consideration. Now be col4ol
Ann hai► that man could be friendly tci
of Reform, who-had Voted against alliisri-
iitever of the iplestion. The question was
46hoitid• they con:Sider *it ? and 4ir Edw.rd
the negative'. -
"Jr.ins oskede if a • Bill irki brought into
and approved by the Fralsolders,
Honousuble*Bereinet support it Sir 741-
tie* that he had alriadY ully asow.erad that
al You "all ktiow,". continued he; "howl
, MreStantrainotion.--I voted against it,
the:ewes nothing specific prow-wed—we are
`,,c) into Conimittee but Seere-not told 'what
do vshenin'Con;mittee. I therefore voted
(esuellmotion, and am not eshantedof hAtiing
Ba
air* stated; 'alit as his name was not to
''onion, he wished to take that opportunity
himself a steady friend to Reform. He
the treat lonrd BUrleigli, that England

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tem bad his `l
complete success.
bad had no intention
disposed to con-
plans . voting against
_ Cistlereagh on a certain question, he wished to
otthenkright in that respect, as far as his own in-
'tat*, could do so. He himself had, upon the ques-
tion ofthe Sale of Seats, voted against Lord Caotle-
roagh ; but be had never yet heard of. any specific
rittlan of reform of which he could approve ; and he
Lkia hitherto voted against such as had been proposed
-,-(lliarsisir:)—and for this.reason, that they all
p• enre to hint to labour alike under this main defect,
thatof.exclutl;ng from the House of Commons that
influence of the executive which he conceived to be
essentially necessary to carry on the government—
(ll4arniurr, and grist of Noi.'"&) He was sorry to
differ from them, but he declared it as his firm con:
viction,. that th.moment that influent* was wholly
removed from the sower House of Parliament, the
Liberties of this country were lost for ever.
"Here the, expression of disapprobation became so
loud and general, that Mr. Lushington discontinued
speaking,), ,
Sir WILLIAM GEARY heard of Gentlemen speak-
ing against time, and being often very eloquent for
no. other ,purpose than that of confounding or mis-
-I,eacliug the judgments of their hearers. The last
speaker had not said one word to the question now
before them, which was, that Mr. Honywood do pre-
sent.their petition, and he only ; therefore he presumed
Mr. Lushington out of order.
' The HIGH SHERIFF being of the same opinion,
Mr. LUMINGTON resumed, by stating it as his °pi-
.nion, that to give their petition due weight, it ought
tp be presented by both Members,and not merely by
a representative of but a part of the County.
, A .FItEEtiOLDRII. "Heh- a representative of the
whole of the county."
. Mr. HONYWOOD (son of the Member) stated, that
be had just come from his father, who, he assured the
Meeting upon his word, was confined with so severe
an attack of the gout as to be obliged to use crutches;
but that he had commissioned him to state, that he
went along with his Constituents in the great cause
of reform with all his heart and soul, and that if he
were living he would go to the House and present
! their Petition though he should do so even upon his
lersaclies.-7(ilpplaures.)
Sir WILLIAM GEARY'S motion was then carried
unanimously, as was also a vote of Thanks to the
fiigh S.heritf, for his liberal and independent conduct
lin the Chair. He expressed his warm acknowledge-
ments for the honour conferred upon him; when the
Meeting rake up. Ar the adjeipitimetit of the Meet-
ing, Mr. Larkins proposed. three Cheers itiAnisour of
Sir Francis Burdett:. The proposition voks.,about• to
a
be acceded•to; when Freeholder ioggestprthe pro-
! piety of abstaining fttiiii la matters not immediately
I connected with the objects of the County Meeting.
I Mr. Larkins' did not
,presii his proposition, and the
Freeholders disperied..

vend only. (44
(1-IPre Mr. F
tics till Sir IV il
Sir William'
tiff,
Sir EDWARr
served, that -thi
word than that
wry sanguine
sawitine to dr,
to his consciene
ht there public
sot to go fetter
Net cries of " 1
fetered..") If tli,
rota Parlintnen
be thought (a
et ) • 14
you all maim t
tint vidat co m
at, Orchr,
*Freeholder ea
..bst speak to
Cris!
Sir EDWARD
Troliolder
L yr, ; but if pa
wii not interrn
tempt. me."
Asa fair Aqi,
Slr Emvaa*
cause of the.
most dight?guir
miss, brongtat
Fe introduced
parable from
niter 51-zing th 4
r it many points
did not serictll
•
te, bad generally i
t• were doubts in
lo 011010 r tililitCy
tO long digest
sow demand c
• . self precipitate)
yot knave any
ttmately disap
t the last hour a
a of Commons.
11 Mr. Rvnau-
it not you will st
1. Eve no objecti
if Sidle House c
le Sir E. Kacn
wended to cor
n brother Memb
c- hesitate in giv
ul any other ; an,
A it as my °pin',
11. to be bought a
id Mr. RYDEN
tharge preferr
tr'6c in the
:If "antler that
at 54 E. Kx.,l
En arwer
r. '!r. RYOER
ig Sir E. KN
a- hnisur, in th,
ig remember wh
s ; ii:use or not.
St* kififirsidsion,
tie Sir Wm.
11- Irt of the H
ay ruing the ne
Invent the ri
he F've sny mar
a louse or tho:
rn- lionoural
of 'form, that
app ne discuss's-in
his 'as not for ti
so ny other
.IC.• g into Cr
Ltke the qn
in- uatlerstan
"3'4le of
ing alto, wh4te
.short;
hat qtd in the u
eat- Mr. LARKI
rll4nlenri
ore id the fir
ad- d replied*
t so tion.
tin- d ;von
Heir use there
had ' to go it
:stir Were to ds
able .inst the m
inch to." (L
act
rs• Blum
in keys:sitii
(aft- taring
;lere, Bit with
the •
t lb*

mild be followedup throrighout theeouri- wrotild be rultteci only It a Pertained.. ita &alit
nelanchol- as was the'cortliption of a cer,a, the! Isofe*,ctE dil/endiel upon: the purity
be belie yea thete-w is still
.Witl in it, suffici: 4,1* treld'it timperatet
ie as to claim lf4 aitentron yop.,o,ofAn steadytathirrittlitillt;e4tely pre-
He was confident that that.Toiee would v4lll, and approvettaktbe Petition- placed as
a. former octasiohtlie questott of gagok to be subs.Ptihed kisf 40 Timor sittHiteu. res tts possible.
in the lloute, 'half chi; 14411F05 Without:a It.eforrit In Parliament, he • siaterily was
Mat the avowal of the•peopi9 404 items of . opinion, that it, was of little conseqsenee to the
at question,YlWist prove a sovereid; country who was 'Moister. The cause had his most
t all such'•apathy heaFtyvfiOios for its speedy and complete success.
'es—his immediate object id cif Mr. Lusuricrrox said, that he had had no intention
ean amendthent.. He_ h heard the of sPealcing ; but as Gentlemen were disposed to con-
e Hon. Baronet,. ind :had; drawn trik sect support of plans of reform with voting against
i)ns from it.:-,the result ofthein iL Lord Castlereagh on a.certain question, he wished to
Ink it for the honour 'of die_ ccounty nil set them right in that respect. as far as his own in-