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tion for education in the kingdom. The arias in-
subordination was a subject generally to be lamented,
because it was stated in the official Reports, and all
the rest were fair inferences from these allegations.
Let all the particulars and dates be laid before thi
Court. Patents might well complain of being com-
pelled to send their children where they might think,
though perhaps only think, their morals might be
corrupted, and might propose to get them educated
under their own care, to the proper degree of profi.
ciency ; but, they might justly say. " we will not let
them be where vice is familiarly talked of, to say no
more of it." The t.ttned Gentleman concluded
with stating, that bethould name this day fortnight
for the discussion of the question.
Mr. LowN es was of opinion that:the Court did
what was never done by any other Institution. They
rewarded men before they knew whether they de.
served it or not, and therefore their conduct was net
to be wondered at. It could hardly be believed, that
Writerships were given them in many instances be-
fore, and very often as soon as they got there. It
was not so at our Uoivereities, where rewards de-
pmded upon talents and good conduct; and the
University Regulations ought to be followed at this
Institution, where the young men ought to be re-
warded when they had proved themselves deserving,
sad sot before.—( dpitlawas.)—He did not know whe-
cher what he heard was meant for approbation or
.disapprobation t but he always went plainly to work;
be never beat about the bush, but always poked his
stick into it.—(Mack lot bra.)—As long as Writer-
. ships were given before it was known that they were
. deemed, temptations to misconduct were thrown out.
Hp thought this point was worthy of the deepest con-
sideration of the Court.
The CHAWMAN rose to order. He did not con-
ceive that the observances of the worthy Proprietor
bate upon the question then under discussion.
Mr. Lamas—Not bear upon the question 1 Yes,
they bear fully on the question, bur they are °Nee-
, tionabk behind the Bar, because they bear upon a
very_teeder paw—(4ls4i, deleceelag).
abs Casammar—The College at Haylebury af-
brad tai the &edam a course of *bad= specified
ball as to dine.aod attainments, and stolen they gave
the test of their proficiency, the Court of Directors
did not pea* them so depart for India.
.144 Lowman begged in reply to state, that it was
@Rarely anew regulition which precluded Scathes,
whit bad sot peeved their. Celitse qualificatiap.
frogs proceeding t , I
Mr. Rama stated, 'haves. Is. as 1811, Wean
were appointed to Indisowbabod never finished their
course at the Hertford Collor. With respect to the
periods when the insubordinate= prevailed there, be
was ambled to say, that within the last Mesa months
the Stakes bad exemplified great and flagrant dis-
tressed-of the regulations and discipline of the Semi,
lay. What better authority could the Court have
*en 'the very statement of the Learned Professor
bbaself (Mr. Malthus), who had stood most promi-
see)* forward in the defence of the Collep, when
be eves admitted, that he was estonished bow that
Institution bad been able to get at at all. Most
bappY Would be (Mr. Home) feel, should a full and
Witt insestiptiosof the subject enable that lasdtu-
Ilea to relieve itself from the bad opinion which the
Yee mind entertained of it. For his own part, be
4 founded bladoetwicdoa cm facts, sod facts Sibiu;
sod en their sodsootiaity be would embrace the mess
VlSscrutiny.
BWIAIAVAT wished to guard the Coat from
oily further ma repprresentation, by reading the clause
la the Act of t, which interdicted Ban
In-
dia Writers from proceetrasizelndia before they
were duly emend c at the of Hertford, had
sawed four terms, and had wceived from the bead
Wilma a certificate of their !swag complied with
Its rules and molations. Thatanactasat could not
be dispensed b. neither was it imperative on the
Professors to sive the Certificate, anises• they were
convinced of us being deserved.
Mr. Hums, in explanatioe, desired to state, that
Writers not educated at Haylebury, bad been sent
out to India previously to the Act of 1814. He bad,
by accident, with him a letter on that very subject,
acquainting him that Gentlemen of the names of
Parker, Phillips, and Thomil.4d obtained such,
situations, without any prelitniti educatioa at the
College. -
Mr. Pommy (Ex.Direttor) &dared himself per-
fatly indiffizent whether the Resolution for the pro-
duce= of the Papers was acceded to or not. If the
cal** was to be at all discussed, and of the
policy im-
cf discussion be was persuaded, he should ra-
dor per that the last seams of the Resolution
*o be withdrawn, and that no latitude whatever
efreald be allowed to the discretion of she Court of
axon. Should the Resolution, accompanied
wish hs restrictions, be acquiesced in, it would most
peabably be asserted hereafter, that some important
. document, calculated to elucidate the 'object truly,
bad been' withheld from the consideration of the
Court of Proprietors. lf, therefore, discussion ost
this most delicate subject was advisable, it was his
conviction that every document ought to be 'before
than, stn order to lead to a strict and comprehensive
frreamiation. Still be most eautead.that it was the
better policy to mative the Resells* altogether.
The evil, of which such great COOptaint was now
• made, had gone by —fifties moods bad aired due
say symptoms of insubordination bad appeared,.
The pupils guilty of misconduct at that paled had
been punished. and the well-timed correction bad
produced in the discipline Of the College the meet
:slaw dies. The storm was over, the vessel bad
sighted itself, and was proceeding tenably to her
destination, when two men 4 the Piper of that
room, like' the Conjeror is lb Firepera, bad dam-
&ermined to raise a storm of their:twsgdfleentifrer).
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were there not some donor in all schools ?..-1001e
examples in all Colleges, of indiliduals on whom
discipline and education mold produce no desirable
effect? The latest accounts from Bengal had borne
testimony to the utility. of the course of education at
Haleybury. Young men educated there had, by
their appointment to high and important offices.
placed its character and capability beyond all ques-
tion. When every present appearance promised fair,
when the halcyon was on the waters, was it prudent
to disturb them ?
Mr. RANDLF, JAcnow sincerely trusted that the
Court would not allow itself to be led astray from its
proper direction by the seemine candour of the last
Speaker. He knew his worthy Friend (Mr. Home)
too well to believe for a moment that he could be
warped from pressing his Resolution in its present
shape by such an endeavour. • The policy of the Ex-
Director was to strip that Resolution of its only cau-
tionary provision, and in so doing, to make it ob-
noxious to all parties. He would not assume the
liberty of descanting upon the place or the system of
his worthy friend's (Mr. Hume's). education i and
who in that assembly did not feel its powerful in-
fluence! Neither would be say, after what had talks
from the worthy Ex-Director. who was the real Con-
juror. But he hoped the spirit evinced that day, and
so unusual in thatCoort, would be speedily exorcised.
Was it to be tolerated in as assembly such as be then
addressed, that any man should presume depre-
ciate, in terms of coarse 'phraseology, individuals of
some rank amoopt their fellow aims; wipe
proud distinction it was, as he trusted it should ever
be, to deem themselves with singleness of heart in
defence of the interests, the well.baine, and the dig.
nity of the India Company?-4(lree, lean) So long
as be was entitled to the rights of a Proprietor and
felt the impulse wbicb regulated the, intercosjse of
Gentlemen, so 104 would he protest against the un..
bet:inning aggression upon both. language, such
as had been used, and applicatithte, such es was ap.
plied to ' men in a corner of that room." neither
corresponded with the 'character of the nmbly to
which it was addressed, snit conferred any dignity
on the source whence it proceeded. lb would ever
deny that he bad on the former discussion in-'
,thalged in any indiscriminate allegations of charge:
the -facts be had adverted to ware illustrated in the
Reports of the Court of 'Directors; and if the whole
case was not yet before the Priprietors, no motion
,could be better framed to effect that object than the
Resolution then submitted. as there could be none
more entitled to their unanitpou, voncurrence. Un-
der a similar impression, he trusted his worthy friend
(Mr. Home) would reject the tendered gifts of the
worthy Ez-Director (Mr. Patrison). that he would
p.msevere in his proposition with its cautionary pro-
vision, and not be trepanned by the artifice of making
it palatable to one,• with the risk of making it ob.
noxious to all. With regard .to the Institution at'
Hertford, be was persuaded that no men ought to
feel more solicitous for the strictest and most compre-
hensive inquiry than the Professors themselves. Every
thing that had heretofore transpired on that subject
must in them increase that solicitude. At the same
time he resold declare his fullest conviction, that the
more inquisitive the scrutiny, the purer would these
Gentlemen emerge from the ordeal.
Mr. S. Drupe was anxious to impress on the
Court, that if improvement had actually been pro-
gressive lately in the Institution, it would be as act
of positive injustice not to afford the Professors their
advocates, endives the students the fullestopportu-.

airy of vindicating themseiva. That could only be
effected by a full my*, into the general merits of
the question. taking a reasonable period, say within
the last two years, for the criterion.
Mr. PArrisost defied those who arraigned his ob-
servations to state say instance where his opposition
to their views was not founded on principle, and was
not expressed to their face. anintimidated by their
talents. He could net altogether 'reconcile the
warmth of feeling with which every observation
against their conduct was met, with the indiscrind.
nate imputations in which they themselves indulged
against the whole body of the College Committee, in{
terms (be was 'Wpm slim to say) of coarse Owasso-
logy
Mr. P. Moon observed, that in the early part of
ithe debate be had given, in coneite terms, his (pink*
wn,the gond= before them. Al*, the understood.
&dins, that the general merits 'Of the question re•
span the Hayleybory Institution would be dis-
.cussed at a future day, he could not help considering
the present discussion as a debate in atiticipation.—
When the proper doe should arriVe, his opposition
.should go far beyond the practical demerits of that
systein. He was as opposed to the principle now as
when first the "motion was introduced. years ago.
Still he feared these was something is mask—some.
thing below the swim ; and therefore be could not
approve the lieseindon that called for all the does.
meats, at the mama dam that it was accompanied with a
restriction dials die end might am omit to s sanadL
It was possible that in the practies of the Hertford
College, there were some insroptieties. He had
educated. sada his oWn supervision, his sons at Welt.,
Minster College. • Daring the peeled five 'ebonies,
had taken pram-wren is that respnaable semiamy
bat the discipline dim was camativeld7 mould t
led to great and Madnued inirsovemont. Simi
effects might be pyodatied in the prudes it Haley.
bury, but to judging of the true question, the Coon'
must:direct its ampr to great and Commanding
Fincgiss•—et the specified period be would fully
press his objectioos.
After a few words in upload= from Mr. R.
Guar and Mr. 6. Dixon,
Mr. Lowanci observed, that unless the Court PT-
ported the motion before them,. they wed deprive
themselves or the cab chance of getting information
do the College, which they possessed. He had been
at the Colley about three months, and be should
Waco what was thin told to bins, that so little subor-
dination was there among the young moo, that a row
was
s mected oh the 6th of November, is.they were
to let of, squibs and amine in the area of
the balding, by; which the rest of k.Saiglit be sada.,
He should expect, if sot. kids ehedielkes at
from gradtsde, other conduct on the part at
dila men ire whom such profitable situatioas
were intended.
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rad to date, that if there was any
pore at ihs of his modes, which was object
tieseble, be net feel any diewitisfeedon m
sinning it. Hi object was it is fonsation, and

in rain this, be wished u noels es possible to
abed the Gentleinei within and wisbiut the bar.

The CUuasu►V said, that from As best view
which be toot of the question, and the belief that it
would do more harm than good. he thought that no
alteration would make it agreeable, and he firmly
hoped it would not be carried.

Mr. Janus was of opinion that the information
sought for should not go farther back than the date
of the Act of Parliament, which placed the College
on a new foundation in some degree. He would,
therefore, propose, as an amendment, that the in-
quiry should not go farther back than the period to
which be alluded. The young men.who werirlately
sent out from the College had distinguisheri.them-
selVes considerably much to their own credit, and the
character of the College. One Gentleman (Mr. P.
Moore) had mid that has objection went to the foun-
dation itself—he (Mr. Inglis) begged ()idiot Gentle-
man
to consider what was the conduct of the young
men in general who were sent out from the College.
It bad been such as reflected great honour on them-
selves, and on the system of their education. It was
true there might among so many be some who were
not so 6t for the Company's service as others, but
that was no argument against the Establishment.—
He should, in giving his vote, object to the motion
altogether, but particularly to that past of it which
went farther back for inquiry than the date-of the
Act of Parliament. He regretted that ha had not
been present on the day when this subject was first
introduced, or he should have opposed it as kola,
for he conceived that a great deal of mischief had
been done by the allegattons made, which bad al-
ready so far misled the public.

Mr. Hums then consented to alter his motion as
the last speaker had suggested. He observed, that
in 1811 twenty young men left the College of Cal-
cutta fit for business : that of these twelve were from
the College at Hertford, and eight were not. The
average of the time which they were in the College
fitting for business, was ten months, or two years, and
ten mootha in all, and the average of the time taken
to prepare those young men who were not from
Hertford was three years, one month, and seven days.
In 1815 eighteen young men were sent oat, the
average of whose whole preparation was three years
and a half, which was something more than the time
taken by those who had not come from the College.
The Cueutawr observed, that the conduct and
abilities of the young men sent out from the College
at Hertford were, in general, the subject of commen-
dation: to prove which he read an extract fro* the
speech of lord Minto, on the conduct of the" Hert-
ford Students who were sent. In this his Lordship
said-64 that they (the Students from Hertford) stood
honourably distinguished for regular attendance, for
obedience to the statutes and discipline of the Col-
lege for moderation in expense, and, consequently,
.'
an the amount of their debts, and, in a word, for those
decencies of conduct which denote men well born, and
characters well trained."
Mr. Inoue explained.

Mr. S. Meow would give his 'import to the motion
as amended.
After a short conversation between Mr. ELPHIN.
nous. Mr. Hume, Mr. JACICSON, and the CHAIR•
nut, the question was pot, and they declared it was
carried in the ,mire. Several Members then got
up to go away, and some bad actually left the
Court, when the CHAJSUA3II begged to correct a mis-
take into which he had fallen in announcing the de-
cision. He had said it was carried in the ajavrative,
whereu be should have said the Maim This pro-
doted a strong sensation in the Court, and some (Mr.
Lowndes among others) warmly 'insisted that the
question bed been carried in the alfrovirtive by a ma-
jority of at least two or three..
I The CHAIRMAN declared that the question had been
negatived by the majetity, but that it could not be
very material to either side of the question, as none
had gone out of the Court ; or if there were any,
they mast, before they went, have heard him correct
his =Wake with regard to the decision.—CThe time
itibish elapsed between the Chairman's mistake and
his correction of it was not half a minute.]
.fkrangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no
division took place; for after a short conversation, in
which Mr. Hone wished to withdraw his motion and
reserve it for future discussion, the question was again
pat and carried without a division.
The Court then adjourned.
1 A ballot was taken yesterday at the India House,
for the purpose of determining the following question,
vises.--41 That Mr. Gnome Tenn.'', late of the Ben-
Civil Establishment, be permitted to return to
with such tank in the Company's service as
he be entitled to, under the provisions of the
Act of the SW Geo. 111. cap. 19.5, sec. 8.5 ?"—Ai
els o'clock the glasses were closed and delivered to
the *until:eery, who reported the question to be car.
tied in the affirmative.

. Captain T. M'Taoaaar was sworn into the com-
ma of the ship Rose, for Madras and Bengal.

• DlVinanas, when received, should be immediately 1
em yed to advantage..—Thys it is tlue_PssoritaTz.
olataa." The- folloiiiing Scale, shewing how this
ANTAL of Stock-holders may Ips 611gmented by ezf
tct
pending rely aprOsi if their Diviikstit, may not be
deemed inapplicable at the present moment.
Maui. Consols.
447 16 0 sal probes atie,obo . o equal to 468,000
ASS IS 0 maypoles, icsime 0 equal to 834,000
412 T 0 way prod's. 410,500 -0 equal to 417,000
AS S 0 map premises 43,130 o alai to 89,500.
411 3 I may probe* 41,123 0 equal to 44,250
11 110 0 may predate 41,21210 equal to 42,1115
If is to the present Lottery the above refers,—the
&Muse of which bas met with such universal appro-
bation. It contains Two Grand Prizes of 20,000
Guineas, savour& of Farty oder Catrilak, with only
12,000 Tickehs the. value of the Small Prizes is in-
creased, As:eking 800 if 25 daises: each, and none
lower their dirll6 sad dm yin& will Its paid in Strike
-ffiattp..—Mit-Drawing will'commence. on Tuesday,
the !fetid. this Wash (January) ; and such Persons
as have not Dividends to receive at preseisi, should
*Anti that ere this Month arrive again, they may,
• nersocheint 4. Air stopfrflooos mignon:, Man.
.iemsslres a Ammo of an independent funded pro-
pad be cabled to mingle in the throng of
ecieseleances, which are issuing mg day
eel Doak of &eta
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