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London, England, 1820-07-17 00:00:00

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yillo also 4ipets to blur, Secrotintyx
for-Feed& Airs of bikinteetion. huinpated-
lige` -,thist suchsulliect 'would be, introd4ed this ,
repiltg. , As Mondai seems co the 'night Honourable
Gentiensin a more convenient day for obtaining the
necessary explanation, I readily accede to his sug-
gestion, and wish my motion to stand as a notice
for Monday nest," • -
The motion was then withdrawn, and Dr. Lusm-
INGror put it into the shape of a notice for Monday.
BOROUGH I NFLUICTICE.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a Petition from an in
cli
vidual who signed himself--,.. James Mills, a Britisk
Freeholder." The Petition was brought up and read,
It commenced by complaining of the bordps
posed on the" People, and of the enormous expendi-
ture of the late Reign, amounting t0.E2,300,000,000*
being thEee times the amount of all the expenses in-
curred during the reigns of thirty-one preceding
Monarchs, occupying the long period of seven hun-
dred years! The Petitionersor.fended, that the evils
*der which the country laboured, arose from the
present mode of returning Members to the House of
Commons, by which the People were excluded fronsk
the right.of Election, and a
,great majority of the
House were returned by the influence of a number
of Peers, whose in trference at Elections was a bqach
of the Privileges and of the
sStansting grcleys of .
the
House, The Petition then proceeded to name the
Peers possessing Borough influence and Patronage,
and to enumerate-by name the Members rettirnscd to
Parliament by that influence, to the amount of jnoye
than two hundred, amongst whom were Lord Castle,
reagh, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Brougham, - Sir James
Mackintosh, and most of the eminent Members of
the House. The acts of a House thus constructed,
he protested against, as not legally binding.. Thy
Petitioner concluded by offering to prove at the ger
that this influence existed, and calling on the House
to expel such Members, and to impeach the Peers.
who had thus interfered with their privileges.
Mr. HOBHOUSE rose to second the motion that.
the Petition should be brought- ap. At the present
moment, the statements contained in it should, he
thought, be especially noticed, when there was lying
on their table a list of those Members who were sup-
posed. to be returned by corrupt influence fo that
House. This was the more necessary, because the
House of Lords were now about. to give judgment.
on one of the most important measures that was ever
submitted to the Legislature—he meant the Biii of
Pains and Penalties—{Hear, hear).--The Haase
ought to take care, if that Bill were brought down
to them from the Lords, that it was not again sub-
mitted, in effect, though not in reality, to the same
individuals, in the persons of those whom they had
caused to be returned, by whant it had already been
decided in the other House. If, as was stated in a
Petition which he had recently piesented, 198 Mem-
bers were, in one way, or other, returned by the in-
fluence of the House of Lords, what would the coun-
try think, should the Bill of Pains and Penalties pais
their Lordships' House, when it was submitted to
those whose Elections were secured by such influence?
People would be of opinion that the measure merely
went through the same hands a second time.
The Petition having been read. and the motion
made that it do lie on the table,"

Mr. ROBINSON said, he ante: twined great doubts
as to the propriety of receiving inch a Petition. No
person was less willing than himself to interfere with
the right of petitioning, but there were itatententS. in
the paper then before them, the irmh of which he
could not admit, and which were evidently insulting'
to the House. It was asserted.in this Petition that-a
very large proportion of the House of Commons•were
not legally elected—and the mines of .the persoes
supposed to be illegally returned were mentioned.—;
Now, many of those individuals had been declared
duly elected by Committees of that House—(flear,
.hear).—The Petition Went on to state, that the legis-
lative acts of a House thus elected, were not binding'
on the people. This was evidently a denial of the
rights and , privileges of the House—and whatever
speculative opinions Gentlemen Might have as to the
mode in which Members should he elected, he did-
' not think they would sanction such anattack.•

Mr. W. IItINDAS (Member for Edinburgh) felt it
necessary to declare, its his name was. mentioned
amongst those persons who were said to be unduly
elected, that he was returned-to sit in that Hotrsi in
the most fair and uncorrept manner:
.Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW, whose -name e•as also
mentioned, said, he owed it to the Borough for which
he• Was elected to declare that the town of Guildford
was not a proprietary Botough, in which the election,
' was carried by the influence of any Peer or Peers.—
An assertion to the contrary wasfalse and unfounded.
He and his cUlleague (Mr. Wall) were reouestedl to
come forward hy a large body of thiviespactablei
Electors. He repeated, thanbe Beatougle of %Bd.
ford svas not overned by the iefluence4 Peen.
Mr. BRIGMT said, he was totally ignorant and
uninformed of: the facts contained in the Petition...—. I

Ile knew nothing of 'either of the Boroughs alluded
to by the Honourable Memberi4posite, and, in pre-
senting the Petition, he thought, the only thing he
was bound to :thew was, that tt wis of such a nature
as to be received
_by the House. The Petitioner ikon-.
Plained of an.illegal practice, that of Peers retuning
Members to sit in the House of Commons. It was
not necessary for him to state. this as a positive and
ascertained _fact. It was enough for hurt to assert
that there was a prima facie vase of that nature,
which he was prepared to prove, and therefore the
Petition ought tolie on the table. An objection was•
taken, that the petition contained a list of Menthe%
illegally returned, when the contrary bad, in several'
instances, been decided by Election Committees.—.
The Petitioner did not complain of this ai being con-
trary to the common lawr, but sti being opposed to
the law of Parliament. • The common latv did not
say that Peers should not return Heir-then to that
House, but their Standing`Arders provided that
Peers should not interfere inTirdions! 'Considering
the law of Parliament as parealithe law of the laud,
he must contend, that any individnal returned to that
HoUse by the influence of a Peer, sat there ~ille ally.
He knew not whether there were aatteisons AO,
did so 6t in Parliament, buthe woulA. tt..t.pPosing
such to be the case that the phrase
.4-illegally elected".,
was properly applied in the Petition to individuals'
introduced by the influence of Peers. It was said,
that the Petition designated the proceedings of Par,
liament as illegal and unjust, and asserted that they
Ought not, therefore, to be binding on the people.—

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people, which might be-aredd to m HOtelfreen-
ialtnted a he had doceibe..VHF denied.diat Mem-
'hers so reunited had a right to impose burdens Os
the State, but he did not call on the people to rent.
'them. He complained to the House, and protest
.egainst the proceediegs which it adopted_.; but he did
not say that he would himself resist ;how, at colic*
any other persons to offer resistance. Nothing thetko
sit appeared, was necessary tpwards allOWing the Pe-
tition to lie oe the table, bitt that the list of Mem-
hirs should not be comprised in it,—(litete, hear).—
On what grounds should it tot? 4 was Ciply a list
of indivisfuad facts (if he might tile the expressioo.
in different parts Of the country, which the Petitioner
.asked the House to exatlaipe. It was, in fact,* mere
index, Arranging and pointing out there:Jogs places
where the illegal acts complained of were said to be
curried on. He did not know how far it might be
an imputation on individuals, but imputation he con-
ceived had nothing to do with the question. This
contained a &rr;ve complaint, that practices contrary
to the law of Parliament were carried on in various{
parts of the country ; and the HOuse ought not to
reject it because it foetal:led charges against a pens-
her of individuals.
Mr. LUSHINGTON put it to the Speaker, as a
point of order, whether, under the existing regu-
lations of the l-ouse, the2petition, could be received?
The'Petition stated that a number of Members were
.not legally returned. Was it not, tlren, an Liection
Petition ? And, if se, must it not be rejected, as
the standing order provided that all objections. to
improper retorns must lie made within fourteen days
After the election had taken place? This was not a
complaint relative ter one individual—nearly '2OO
were included in the list. He conceived, without
going further, that the Petition could not he received.
Mr. HOBHOUSE said, he had very recently pre-
sented a Petition of a similar description, which was
laid on the table. It did not indeed contain the'
names of the individuals who Were unduli'electect,
but it recited the names of the Peers who, exerted'
their influence to send Members to that House, and
the places where that influence was made use of.—
Therefore it was, in some degree, opposed to the
order to which the Hon. Secretary for the Treasury
had referred, but that circmstance did. not operate
against its being.received. With respect to the list-
contained in this Petition, he, like his Hon. Friend,
knew nothing
.about it. ' .But what had been said
ought not, he conce:ved, to prevent it from being
laid on the table. Statements contained in. other Pe-
titiohs, on different subjects,swere occasionally untrue, ,
but that did not cause their rejectior.. The imam+
ference of Peers ought to be guarded against ; this,
he believed, was provided for by the Statute of
Westminster. If_ it were not to be discouraged, what
'was the meaning of the declaration -in the Bill of
Rights, " that elections should be freer Wee it
that they should nut be flee? that elections were 111
be influenced by Peers, whose power, arising front
their great propty, was notorious How would
it appear to the conntry, at the present juncture, if
this Petition were refused? Even the present Par-
liament might wish to stand well with the country,
and:rejecting such a Petition was not the best mode
of efFecting that .object. The Petitioner did not re-
commend resistance. He merely said, the necessary
,inference was, that their *acts could not be considered
fair and constitutional laws, as the embers
yassed them were not.duly elected. If he had stated
on intention to resist, he might be punished. for it.
The House ought, even in its magnanimity, tosbasej
the Petition to lie on the table. •If there -were any
insult in it, that was miothec thing; but, for his own
part, be could net perceive any. .• •
. Mr. LOCKHART doubted very much whether
this *as not'an Election Petition. it stated, that a
number of Members were undhly elected, and it
called on the-rlbuse-to espel them. Now, be knew
of no way by which they valid be 'expelled except
through the' medium of ettiltetion Consreittee..
L (Hear, hear).—He-recollected a preemie* in
which some friends of his had great visieksto
He alluded to a Petition presented by certaiiElec
of the City of Oxford, in which they complain!!!'
the interference of the Duke of Marlboroue4l,3ii 'the
election for that place. This was held to beiElec-
tion Petition. The parties, however, esstiiiiing en-
tered into rccognizances, the puttee dropped. A
second Petition, of the like nature, 4.as presented—,
hut, as fourteen days had elapsed: since the elections
it could trot be received. He inhered from this, then
when a Peer interfered in an election, .such interfer-

.ence would reader that elpuion void, because other-
,wise it would not be cognizable by an Election Com-
Mittee. If this were the case,• the objection must form
'thn ground- of an Tl,Thin Petition, and must be go-
Aterned by the eulni7 which applied generally to that
sort of Petidow.!rsahe Petition was then rejected.
woosaai. narosxr.Aux.
Mr. LOCI [ANT moved for "certain Papers. relative to a
Grant of one, to be proposed on Monday, to a Foreigner,
I General De Fourneaus.--After some conversation between Mr.
Ltrunsortut and Mr. Erato, the motion was agreed to.
mint DISTILIAMIL,
Tity CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up
his three liUls for regulating the Distilleries of Ireland, anirthey
-were -read a first time. The Right Hon. Gentleman also brought
in a Bill Tor ieguhulng Bask Notes ?romissory Notes
Ireland, width -Was read a first dm!

'lire ROYAL Socterr.--.Friday last having been fixed for the
assembling the Cumuli of the Royal Society, the Members of it
.met at the Observatory, in Oreenwicft Park. under the Presi-
dency (ad interim) of Dr. Wou.asiosi,*baiTiatiens inteters re-
lating to the Society were adjusted and disfoaq of. Ifte annual
visitation was then made to the different bras:lAm of thls Taste=
,hlislunent. and the lista called over, after which, the Pnwident
and Council, and several. Fellows of the Society and their friends,
sat down to dinner a Mou.aan's,.the Crown and U.- pae.---;
Amongst the .company were—Sir H. Davy, Sir G. Cutair.,
the Admiralty, the Marquis. de Punt,. Sir.gomx &tutet.e, W,
Salm, Esq. M.P. Archdeacon Woitamott, 764tamt‘
Mr. Poste, Mr. fauna, 31r, Avatar, ]aF, Banat, &e.
It is understood thus Sir Hoserneue Mom "Phobos noctri-
, puled so largely to the interests Of 'candy to beim nve Prd-
sident of the Royal Society..
• 'Envraeauseste Sex We are. eredibly .hiftemial that this
tebbrated personage has taken up his realdeposin this tit
tOultlin). He has been here about three 'Wake, and is
api&Oeti with' ikaitienees. Whetherhe aseaswirßiabyaiir isibT
Inaltlpt Dsiblidliis place of residence .and tlfe Aces., primps, of
fintre-opititligurin the way of Ms calling; or whet lie so-
jouzias tempocitrill,'Vrtinst he hottatecubentilie asks at loft
convenient spot strbeitoe to fix himself pe and
the otium cunt digtu)gli, *Mat It to be the ists
labours, we canndt taitin it upon us to We tboucht
it our duty, however, to' announce the fact Ids Wog htre.'"—
Carrick's Morning Putt. • •

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MQSDAY, JULY 17, .1820-
INIPOINfitY s Ooze:1i a Proclamation appeared,
podtpoping the solemnity of the Coronation nhtil his
Mmesrvis " royal will and pleasure shall be f=r-
tber signiaed thereon," If any feeling of mortifica-
tion accompanies this becoming deference to pub!ic
opinion, under the present circumstances of his 117a1
Consort, hip MAJIiSTY owes it entirely to the
:!iclnus and precipitate counsels of his
Advisers, I report speafts truth, they have not r-; "n
the merit of having suggested this retrograde rnr-:z.
molt, which is said to have been the result of
representation.to his IVAJEsry by the Duke of Yc.,!.,•:.
If we are rightly hiformed, his Royal Highness
been also the adviser of the delay of the seemed re'.:,'.-
;ng of the gill of Pnlns and Penalties until the :7,,;.1
of next month, in the hope ►hat some arrangemeat
may be formed, in the inter vat, which may supersale
the necessity of goitt on with the inquiry. -

In the meantime, every day brings to light some
new proof of ;be hush elisposition'of her MAJEsviA
aAversarios, - In the lllause:4 CominOns,(in

4:ly, Dr. Lasmaciava statd,_thatia 1808 his laic
NlaJebrx •presctied her, thealtuyil niglingSs
Princess of WALtS with a Service' of nag, wh:ca
was made use of 'in her Royal .14igliness's rstgblish
ment, from that time uu:to heri'dapaxture from this
country, in 1814, when it.. Was placed. in *hp custody
of IA.I-it, of the Lord Chamberlain's Orfive,..is
;her propsity. Oat her returns lately, bet.:l.4.m.iTy
'made application for it; but was given to undr4tand4
by the LORD CI AWasa.AiN, that it was pot .n his
power to let her have it, as it was the property; of
the Crown, and be was bound for its custodY, as
such, under the instractipn pf 01E04 documents!—
For chit pretext the Learns! Poctor cOntended
that there was not the slightest' foundation ; but if
there was, the attempt to deprive he of the us 4 of
the plate would still, he maintained, he 1.4 a petty,
mean; despicable, and conteMpto)lo- insuktv- The
Doctor concluded with moving foe-A copy of the
correspondence on this subject ; subsevently,
postponed his motion until this day, at the regiest of
Mr. YANSFITABTA who seemed to think that the plate
belongs to the Crown, because it was put into an
apartment at Kensingtou'rayeel It is 4 pity that
'MT. VANSITTAIRT, who, we presume, knew something
about this service of plate, did not, 'in 18.02,-fpriwarn
her MIiARSTIE against the consequence of putting :ny
present fronwthe Kum into Kewsbigtonpeklace. Had
he done o, her lifiltsrx would not, on her return to
Zngland, have found bet; an:perry thus inclosed
the dragnet of the 140140 clLA*itagstarN..

. Her MALJASTY held 4 consultation oh Saturday
with her - Law 'Advisers at her house in Portman-
street,on the subject of the.prdceedings in the House
of Lordi on the preceding evening, lkikWersiar.d
that it turned chiefly on the propriety of- adoptirg
the course ivlrkh Mr. DENIM?: hintate the House
of Commons might probably be the advisable one
to pursue in the event of her Miss?: being fused
a list of the witnessesAloe:444o egoinst her,
namely--" to idaiiititt.'fftilliffence eitiglitite; and
tilos* it .4t• JAI iinirrenainalf.pitheriattopiesonece
, . _l4orsafficcen :"77411*.5i5. :No lutoetstapd, .n)
- - - 1 ibell4ollo aissrlile* ii ale "PIM* liar
of the p4lrrein ,05p.:461-4th' AlittoplettOcift any
opposition till it can be aminArielr.lrovelhing like
what the gtiisi artd./00.rtiri:Alivtajr.piay.
The House of Lseackitielt suggestion is followed,
will be allowed: j*,:trwellth the
.Bill: tither pleas( i
her Msalsr4 after entering a stronrprotest against
their mode irf proceeding,. wilt w*hdraw altogether
from the bar; evidence maybe gone into et it will
be gone into in absence of the pay I.lecustid i and
judgment.; by passing the Bill, may be pronounced
against her, but it Will ben judgment pronounced on
evidence wholly er-paraa sue worthy of no more re-
spect as a verdict of guilty,' than the Report of tl e
Secret Committee on the contents of the Green Bag,
which was made on evidence precisely of the same
description. The Bill will then go down to the House
,I3f
Commons with all the imperfections resulting from
this course of proceeding on its bead.
The Commons, kis imagined, will, in limine, re•
fuse to entertain a Bill so passed"; and Ministers ail
be obliged tp begin again with the whole business,
de novo ; and, admonished by the check thus received,
it is supposed they will refrain, in their second career,
from giving her MAJEara any cause to repeat her
complaint of the want of a fair trial.. ..By that time,
indeed, her MAJEsti will have tot over the chief
-difgcultr. which now stands itlie-ikvay ; it wilt be
then known, by the ex;parte, yet-public proceeding'
on the 'rejected Bill, what the particutar charges me
against which she- is to deferid herself,. and who the
*itnesses are, whoie, testimony she most be prepared
to invalidate. 'How strange
,mast it appear in the
eyes* of posterity, that this is all which her MAJEW'
now demands but cannot obtain—how strange that
-she 4lionla hive ever been obliged to resort to any
course of procsding in the least degree compulsitory
to obtain it i . . -
Should the eiatrie we have now hinted at 'not he
followed, and the QUIEN resolve to appear bcf, re
the Loids, even under all the disadvantages to Which