Star.
London, England, 1803-03-05 00:00:00

AMBRICA.

WASHINGTON, JAN. 11.-..—JAPIES Munoz. Efq.
was this day nominated to the Senate of the United
State% as Ambaffador Extraordinary and Minifter
Plenipotentiary to the Court of Madrid. for the
purpofe of adjußing the differences fnbfifting in
confecinence of the Fate infraftion of the Treaty
with Spain, by an Officer of that Government on
the MilEiEppi.
It is Grid that after Mr. Monaca (ball have ad.
juftr.d the objeds intrufted to his difc?etion at Ma-
drid, be will have to proceed to Paris, upon a fur-
ther million of great importance. and with the
funaions of Mir.iller Extraordinary.
The Refolution propofed in the Houfe of Repre-
fentatives, a few days ago. by Mr.Ga iswa La, was
this day 101 l by a majority, 53 to 38. Mr. RAN-
DOLPH' in an able fpeech, (hewed the impropriety
of the Houk going into a Committee on the bufi-
nefs, when it had been taken up in fuch a fpirited
manner by the Executive. The Houfe was elofed
and the galleries were cleared on Tome fecret ha-
nth about three o'clock.—Arrore.
_ _

Jas. 2.—We underftand that the Prefident of
the United States yetterday nominated to the Se-
nate Jams, Molitor. as Minifter Extraordinary
and Plenipotentiary to the Full Conful of France,
and to the Court of Madrid, in alTociation with our
Minillers to France and Spain, relative to the free
navigation of the Milfillippt.
This evening the Senate has confirmed the ap-
pointment of Mr. Mos &cis, as above.
New Yoaa, Jas. 20.—8 y the Broder Lull, ar-
rived at Philadelphia on Saturday, very late ad-
vice, are received from Cape Francois. On the 22d
of laft month a French brig, with s troops on
board, arrived there from Breit. By this veal
they received information that 20,000 men were
ready ;at Breit to embark for Saint Domingo ;
to,ooo of whom were to be ordered to Lottifiana,
in cafe their Cervices ibould not be required at St.
Domingo. A merchant in Amfterdam wrote to
his panaer at the Cape, that he bad received pay-

General Roc name saw has iffued a proclamation
whereby foreign veffels are allowed to import all
kinds of goods on paying a duty of '2O per cent
ad valorms. The Colonial Prete& is to make out
a tariff every fix months.
By the (dimmer Fair Play, arrived at Wilming-
ton, on the ad intlant, 13 days from Guadeloupe,
we learn, that the infurgents are completely fub-
dued in that ifland, and that trade is rapidly re..
covering. e.. :
NEW VOR IC, Jaw. 27.—Several of the ;entente-1
of Guadeloupe have arrived at Boßon. It aprig:
that they were forced on board the brig -vs
Captain Caffihrg, at fee, from a French ruttiest!.
cutter, by order of General La Caosss, who had
previoufly furnifhed the blacks with pats-boats; in'
order to repair to the American Continent.
Jas. so.—The conduit of Oeserel Lean:mit'
Governor of Guadeloupe, in compelling the erif.'
tern of American Tenets to remake an board the
fubjugated Negroes, for the purpofe of tranfports.
tion to the United States, is an unprecedented out.
rage on the Rights of Nations. To rejeel thefts/
poor wretches from our coafts would be an aft of
inhumanity, little fbort of the barbarity exercifed'
by the tyrants, who in cold blood mafacre them by
thoufands. To admit them without difcriminatione
is next to introducing a peßilential contagion to'
deraftate the country. Efficient meafures ought
to be immediately taken by the General Govern:.
meat, to proteft our navigation from thefe high
handed lawlefs impofitions, and to fecure the trap:
quality, efpekially of the Southern States.
BOSTON, jaw. 23.—0 n the reprefentation oft
CH•aLIII BULTINCIN, Chairman of the Board ye
Seleft Men, the Attorney General ((this Common.
wealth has addreffed a letter to his Excellency the'
Governor, giving an account of the arrival, in the
brig Argo, of three black men, put on board Paid
brig by force, from a French National fehooner,'
off Guadeloupe. By this and other circumaances
of a fimilar nature, (lays the Attorney General)-
it appears, that the authorities in the French Weft'
India Wands have adopted the plan of tranfport-'
ing to the United States, black people, whom the
Government there confider as rebels, whom they
are afraid to retain there, and do not with to put
to death. The Attorney General adds, a The
plan is derogatory to the general• and particular
Government of our Nation, and dangerous to the'
Wet), of the country."
From the depofition of Captain Cuss. toss it ap-:
pears, that he was applied to, by order of General
Lacaossa, to bring thefe black men to the United
States, which he refuted. The Officer then bid him
to take them and throw them overboard, when at
tea. Captain Cusnior refuted this alto, and put
to tea, but was followed by the National Ichooner
Mocambique, Captain Lucas, who fired at the Ar-
go, and forced her to take the three Blacks, whom
be was told were Brigands, on board. This fpe.
cies of impofition, Pays the American Editor, has
been prattifed on many other veffels, and deferves
the ferious attention of Government.

Letter s from Natchez, of the 9th of Dec. Rate,
that the Covernor of New Orlcaas fled iffued or-
ders for all the Officers to hold th,:mfelves in rea-
diners to give up their offices; and that the dra-
gcons of that town were fent down as Plaque-
mines,to efcort the French Officers. The [hutting
of the Port of New Orleans hid excited great can-
nel-nation.

A letter from Walhington. of tyth Jan. rays,
I, In confequence of a negociation being fct on
foot, refpeaing Louifiana, the Spinals Minifter,
refident at the United State., fent off peremptory
initruetions this day to the Intendant of New O►.
leans, direaing him to reftore to the Citizens cf
the United States tt•.e right of deporit forthwith.'•

Pr

Mg:A' OF LORDS, 1 RMAY. MARCH 3.

HOUSE OF CONIMONS.

PRINCE 07 WALES'S ESTABLISHMENT.

P LI:VENT-1R PAUCEEDINGS,

%sirs I.me length r..-lative to the Scotch
Appeal. the Niat,;.... of Bute and lord Haihrrt Windlor
hts fece.nd v. the Hon. James S:uart \l'ortlry,fe-
c
late rad of Bute, viz. MelTrs..AJezander and
;or •he App..iialits, and the Attorney General and Mr.
the Roponskiat. Mr. Alexander was afterwards
reply
.1, the arguments of Count I were ficifhed, the Lou o
('ass" Ll.ux, who ftuned to have h,, wind made tip as to
nor nients of the Cafe, imniediattly mutes d a pmpolition tend-
ing to affirm the Decree of the Stitch Court, which on the
queltkin being put, was ordeed in the affirmative
The various Bells before the \err: Cd.v..artied in their
.repeettre Rages, in the ermrfe of the Militls Escrcifc
Bill went through a Committee of the whole Houtr.
The l'Sfarquis.at litsoroar, one of the Irifh Reprefentative
Peers. w s (worn and took his feat.
Mr. AatzaNnas and others hrought up from the Commons I
the Mutiny Bill, and the Ira Revenue Otfizers' Unqualifica-
tlon not._

sir j. R.Attior a sox prrfented a Rill of a local .:efer:ptior.--
Thili, Sills were livcrally read a fiat time, artcr which the
Hook adjourned tiU Monday.

Sir M. W. RIDIAT brought up the report from the Commit-
tee of Great.Grimfby, Rating that one of the Members bring
unavoidably ohligtd to be &Meat, and they having fat three
weeks, by gpofent of all parties. they had agreed to requeft
Ulm of the Houk to adjourn to Tuefday next.w.Granted.
The Chairman of tit.,ommi,tre fur trying the MClritS of the
Tett* Co <he coutetted Elettion for Penryn, reported that
'she Sitting Member was duly elected.
The Pill for continuing °main Duties in Ireland ; the irifh
S'amp Duty, Hat 'Armee. Curse Certificate, l'ofLiger and
Dublin Police Bails were fcverally trod at &it, and ordered to
be read afeeomi time on Monday next.
Mr. WICIC 11A?,1 moved for leave to hring in a Bill to prevent
vexatious Suits in the fuperior Cowls in .Irelands whereby re.
Moir might be Lad in the inforioa Courts by Civil BilL—
Granted.

Mr. CALCRAFT faid, that before he entered on
the fhort fiatement, with which he meant to pre-
face the propofition he held in his hand, he thought
it neceffary to declare, as he had done on a former
Might, that he never had any communication on
the fubjed with the !nations Perfonage to whoqt
it alluded, nor with any other perfon, lave one.
However delicate the {Wed might be, he trolled
that the method the thould adept in bringing it for-
ward, was fuck as would not be objeded to by any
perfon, of any party whatever. The Melrage which
had lately been prefented to the Houfe he confider-
ed as the language of the Mani(ler, though it was
called the Meffage of the Crown, and in that were
involved matters which he thought of the greatell
confequence, as they related to a fubjea fo impor-
tant as that of keeping up the fplendour and dig-
nity attached to the high lituation of the Heir Ap•
parent of the Monarchy of this conntry. Sorry
he was that what had been done in confequence of
that Meffage was not effedoal, GI as to enable the
111 Rrious Perfonage alluded to in it, to reldme
that fplendour and dignity immediately, of which
he had been fo lnng deprived. To enable him to
do this. was his objea in bringing forward the pre-
test propofition ; and the mode he intended to pur.
rue is doing fo, was to move for a Committee to en-
• into the extent of thole claims which at pre-
lim casharrafs his Royal Highnefs. and prevent
him from manning that exalted rank and Ration,
eolith it was fo much to be lamented be had ever
opt obliged to relianailb. He espreffeci the tit.
spea,moDAdesee that the Hoek will do every thing
issoffary towards fo clearable a purple ; and
when he confideild his Majefly's Meffage. he was
certain that it went further than the. mere voting
Rath a fen, as does sot pot the Prince one jot
soarer to the refitmption of his dignity than he was
before. An Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Erfkine) had,
on a former night,' on opening this bakers, (aid
that his Royal Highnefs was lititified. He was at
all times willing to take that Hon. ?defaces aflu •
ranee, but, as a Member of Parliament, he thould
ant think himfelfjuilined in taking the alurance
even of the Illuftrious Perfonage
to wham he al-
hided, in a tale of fo prang an urgency as the
relent in his opinion was. Feeling, as he did,
the prefSng neetility of the Prince's rearming that
pate and dignity winch belonged to his exalted fi-
ltration, it was much better the Houle Mould go
Dee Rep farther than it had yet done, by adopting
the propofition he had to offer, than Puffer his
illuflrinus charaaer to be 11AJle to imputations,
which there were too many, would be ready to
throw on it, if, after the fins voted iu conk-
(lattice of the Megage. he hill continued in that
Rate of privacy in which lie had already fo lung
remained. If n thould be fuppoled there was
any vellum of delicacy in infiituting an enquiry
into the Prince's Affairs, he was certain the
Commitlinners, in 1-,95, went infinitely farther
than he intended to do. There donbtlefs was no
mode of compellii,g a difclofure of the (late of
his Royal Highnefs's Affairs; but if the Com-
mittee was appointed, and any ohjedion was
made ft om that quarter, he and the Houle would
hove the fitti%latlion to know, that they had gone
as far as they could, and done evel y thing in
their power to expAite the with:s of his M.
jelly to the fullelt c..tent, and ..s eatly as p.:11-
I,:e. For his oi.n pia, he lhoul.l not have under-
taken the bonnet:, but that he dims lit he faw au
anxious defire in the I Tonle, on a former night, to
emancipate his knyal I :mmedjately frost. '
thole enibarraiiments with %%Lich lie was at prelent
currnandel While 11/46nifiers were continually
holding forth, and while the Houle setae rejoiced
• to join them in congratulations to the country on
the flourialing Rate in which it now Itands, the
rank, the fplendour, and dignity of the licit Ap-
parent might not to be overlooked. if we were
to be fplendiel in our national institutions ; if we
prided ontfelves on the magnitude of our under-
takings, and on the extent of our improvements in
arts, arms, manufadure=, and commerce, is the
Prince of %Vales aline, laid the Hon. Member, to
live in a parlour if '.is palace, and be known to
Cie people of this country oniy as a dignified Per-
frinage in private life He could not fuppufe the
Houle would longer endure loch an idea. This
was rot a perfonai quctlion by .ioy means. The
poblie at large was iii,erefted, :rad deeply interett-
ed in this Pernin:ige, who is the Hcir
Apparent to the Monate!. y , being freny reflored
1-) tlat h:e. rank and dignity, is which it is their

pride and 0011 to tee hint. ringing forward
this maitre, he could alT'ute the Houle that he
did not mean the froalleftdifreped to any human
creature. He could not but fed for the fituation
of the illufirioas Pelt nage to whom his propoti-
! tion alluded, who with fo much honour to himfdr
had, by the communication he had made to the
Houe, candidly acknowledged that, notwith ;land.
ing his MajellY's paternal kindnels, and the liberal
dilpofition of the Houle, he could not refnme the
rank and fp!endour attached to his dignified Ra-
tion, till certain debts which he thought himlelf
bound in honour to pay were diftharged. As an
independent Member of Parliament he thought it
his duty to appeal to the Houle, to timid forward.
at once, and extricate his Royal Higliner, front
thufe embarrairments, and this enable him to re•
fume immediately that fplendour and dignity,
which it was the evident with of his Maleay's Mel-
(age he fhould do, and which he was certain it was
alio the with of a great n,ajority of that 'ionic
that 11-.: thould do. lie would not, therchnt, longer
tr.:fp:lfs on the time of the Hustle than to read his
Motion, which he did to the following purport—

That the Hotifr, anxioufly dtfiroui to give full effet' to
the important objects contained in His Nlajely's molt gra-
<-ous hlcitige of the 16th of February, do appoint a Sdat
Committee to esquire into the embarrafTments of the PRINCE
of %VALI s, and into the molt cffeaual means of relieving them
as fredily as in order to usable His Royal Highnefs
to refume the fp:endour and dignity attached to his exalted
ftadon."

Mr. I:KSKINE frill, the Hon. Gentleman who
had made the motion had adverted to what he
had ifaid on a former night. On that Mahe he
came into the Houle by accident, and on Cif en-
trance he found an Hon. Member who held an of-
ficial fituation under the Prince of Wales, reading,
in his place to the Houfe, the communication
which his Royal Highnefs had thought it his duty
to make to them. After that Hon. Member had
performed the duty impeded on him, the Honour-
able Gentleman who had juft fat down gave notice
of the motion he intended this day to bring for-
ward ; and he then, as a fervant of his R.oyal
Highnefs, thought it his duty to Rate to the Houfe
that the Prince had exprefsly Allred hint lie was I
perfectly finished, both with the gracious inten- 1
lions of his Royal Father, and the liberal proceed,
ings of Parliament, though he thought it a duty
incumbent on him to Rate to them, that he could
not for fome time refume that fplendour and dig-
nity they were defirous he fhould do. At the fame
time, he thought it neceffary to add, that the mo-
tion,ofStrich the Hon. Gentleman had given no-
tice, was altogether unknown to the Mu hrions per-
fonage to whom it related ; bee:tufa, as that no-
tice had been given fo immediately after the corn•
munication from his Royal Highnels had been
I read, it might have been conceived by the public,
had nothiug been Lad of it, that it was made with
the Princes privity, and would then have feemed
to be at variance with that fatislaeion which he
exprelfed Itimfelf to have felt at the proceedings
of Parliament. He made this declaration now,
he faid, to thew why he had aided as he did, in or-
der that it might not be thought that he meant to
difeountenance the motion. Proud as he was, and
ever fhould be, in poffeffmg the confidence, and
ading as the fervent of the illuhrions perfonage,
to whom the prefent motion alluded, he had (fill
a higher charader to fuppolt—that of a Mem-
ber of Parliament—and as loch, he thought it ne-
nefrary to give his realms why lie had not fpnken
on the fubjed of his Majelly's Meffage. His Ma-
jelly did not afk any fpecific fum, but left it to
the Houfe to decide for fo near and dear a branch
I of the Royal Family. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man who was the organ of the Crown in bringing
forward the mealure, had aged with that modera-
tion which did him the highest honour, ac it (hew-
ed his defire to comply with the willies of his Ma.
I jelly, and at the lame time to make the preffure
on the people as light as poffible. As fuck, he
did nut think it proper to give any opinion at that
time on the fubjee. It does, however, now di/-
611E11y appear, that what is done will not be ef-
' fedual. The prelent motion, he laid, was no cen-
fure on his Maje:ly's Meffage. nor any criticifm on
the conduit of Minifters ; if it had been either of
thee, he fhould think liimlelf hound to vote againll
it His Majelly lays, by his Meliage to the Houfe,
enable me to give that which will name dignity
to the Prince of Wales; and the Houfe afhired his
; Majeffy, by their addrefs, that they were ready to
do fu. The fum, however, voted is not fufficicnt for
I the purpole, and the Hon. Member who makes
j the prefent motion is defirous to remedy the de-
fee. This, therefore, is not a propofition from Mi.
j Milers, but from an independent Member of Par-
' hament ; and its deign is to (hew our defire to
port the Monarchy. It is only to fay we defire
to give your Majcity more than you aik : in order
to keep tip the splendour of the Prince, we defire
' to add to that fum which your Isfajelly's
' I bli-
niller has aflced and obtained from the liberality;of '
Pain:to:sent. Suppofe the Right Hon. Gentleman
had afked any fpecific fum, perhaps it might have
roufed the recolleeion of 'blue Members, and in-
doted them to revert to the cxpences of the War,
arid other burdens which certainly prelTed on the
people. He role thins early in order to thew,
that in the prelent Motion there was no hohility
to the Meffige. He was fore the Right lion. I
Gentleman's ilifrofition towards the Prince wasnot
limited bythe propohtion he had brought forward;
I but that if Parliament chofe to add to that fum,
he would be as glad as any one to fee the Heir 'I
A prat cnt relieved fiom his embarraffments. For
his own part, he was happy to think that this hu-
fluffs would be finally fettled, without the claims I
of the Prince having been brought forward. On
this head, he had never Paid that thole claims
would amount to any fpecific him ; but what he
had afferted was, that the Prince of Wales was en-
titled to the Revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall
from his birth : this doerine had never been con-
, tradieed by any Lawyer in that Houk, and had
I received the tacit of ent of Lord Ellenboroogh,
who was then Attorney General. It was clear
that the reafun of that grant was, for the fuftenta-
tion and dignity of the Prince of Wales, indepen-
dent of the King. With regard to the revenues of
the Duchy of Cornwall, they had been received
•
by his Maj etty's Miaiften, and it was oo matter'

• whether the Amount Was afcertabted 1,
Any
particular film ; the fat was, that Whether the
public was indebted to the Pi ince, or not, this
was undeniable, that. WC now have a Prince 01
Wales at the age of 40, tvlio has been no but then
on the public. The Right lion. the Chancellor
1 of the Exchequer had, on a former occation, (tate('
1 that his Mljelly's Meltrge had nu connetlion with
the Prince's claims. The great objet he bad in
view, in troubling the Houle on the preicnt occ.i•
lion, was, to remove all idea that the Pt ince had
any concern or interett in the prelent motion; and
he allured the Monte, that lie had no other anxie-
ty on his mind, than an ardent t.villt that the pub
lie mould not flippttie that the Pi ince had received
the bounty of the lloufe, and not atfied according
to its intentions in granting it, by immediately ie-
fuming the dignity and fplendor, which were the
immediate intention of the grant.
Mr. Foil.Eit laid lie had no doubt but that our
wife ancellors, iii their wife inftitutions, mean: to
make the Prince of Wales independent of his fa.'
ther. What does the Hon. G‘ntleman who made
the motion ark ? Only that the enrharraffinents of '
the Prince be enquired into by a Committee of the
Houk. What had been the effea of the deduc.l
Liens made by the Commiffioners? They had tend-
ed to accumulate the prelcut debts, which the
Prince thought himfelf bound in honour ro pay.—
He was alionithed to lee any relu&ance (hewn to
fo fair a propofition. as that now under the confi.
deration of the Houle. He WAS certain, had iliac
items, which had been !truck off by the Commit-
'loners, been futmsitted to a Jory of the country,
they would have been univerfally allowed. He
begged pardon for having expelled himfelf with 1
conliderable warmth ; his feelings would not al.
low him tofpeak otherwife, when he races-led that
he was arguing in favour of the molt elegant, man-
ly, and amompliflied Prince in Europe.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT laid, when he.confidered Ebel
Menage front the Throne, and the communication
of the Prince, lie was of opiniva that the Houle
would not aft confiltently, did it no: appoint fume
filch Committee as was propofed by the Hon. I
Member who made the motion. Should he agree
to it, he did not confider himfelf pledged to vote 1
a larger funs than that already given. He fhould
therefore lupport the motion, though be was ibr
from thinking that his Royal Highnefs loft airy of
his refpe& in continuing longer that lyttern of pri-
vatiort and prudence, which In his wificon lie had
adopted, until releared from his embarraffmenu.
Sir ROSIRT BuKTON laid, that he Should be ex-
tremely happy to fee the Prince refume the fplen-
dour and dignity to which his rank id the State fo
fully entitled him ; but he then fpnke as a Repre-.1
tentative of the people, and it behoved him as Inch
to be very cautious how he impofed any additional 1
burdens on them. It had been Paid that we were'
not now in a flare of ware but are we not, he
Aced, in a financial tituation, very fimilar to that 1
of a (tate of war! No raeF have yet been taken
cif, except the Income Tax, and, in lieu of that,
others had been impofed, which weighed very•
heavy on the body of the people,-particularly the
Window Tax. He then a(ked, if this was a rime
to be laying additional burdens on the people?-
1 He delired the Houfe to look at the prefent
tion of France, to confider the. immenfe army (he
kept sip, and the gigantic exertions (he was mak-
ing to render bench the arbitrefs of the whole of
Europe. No man wifhed more for the high elle-
blifhment of the Royal Family titan he did ; but
lie thought the Prince would do himfelf more ho-
nour by giving up the trappings of royalty at this
moment, than l-y refurnidg them. For thefe Tea.
lons he was In thoroughly convinced of the imprn.
priety of the prefent motion, that he thought it
his duty to move the previous queftion.
Mr. CORR/ k.,4 find, feat he had fripported the
motion on the Merrage, from thinking it a debt
due to the Prince ; but he could not think of do.
ing the lame on the prefent motion, becaufe he
did not approve the mode of an enquiry by a
Committee. If there were debts due from the
Prince, which would prevent him from immedi-
ately returning the fplendnur attached to his ex-
alted Ration, let them be brought firm-aid openly;
let the amount be Rated to the Bulk, and then
the Houfe would be able to judge at once whether
they would dill:barge them or not. If they agreed
to a Committee, and that Committee, on invelli-
gat ion, found that the amount was ton great to be
dilcharged, it would be holding out hopes to the
Mutinous Perfonage alluded to, which perhaps
might, in the end, be difappointed. For thefe
reasons, he fhould vote for the previous queftion,
though he would rather the motion fhould be met
by a dared negative.
Mr. Hyttraito laid, that, as an Independent
Member of Parliament he thyroid vote for the Trio-
don. He thought the fplendour and dignity of
the Heir Apparent to the Monarchy were effentiel
to the fupport of our excellent Conftitution, et
which that branch formed fo material a part. The
Houfe had determined to comply with his Ma-
jelly's willies, as contained in hit molt gracious
Mcfrage, and it was clear that could not be done
but by agreeing to the prefect motion ; for the
Prince had candidly and honourably fiewn the
Honk, by the communication he had made to it,
that the cum granted, though entirely fatisfenory
to him, would not enable him to refurne imme-
diately that date of fplendour and dignity which
was the dire& objeft and purport of it. In order
therefore to fulfil the °Neel of his Majefly's wi(hrs,
and to enable the Prince to refume that Rate whir ii
feemed to be the general wall of all,he thould vote
for the motion.

Sir ROBERT BUTTON explained.
Mr. Joie:mina Paid, lie role to objea to the
motion. He affured the Houle that he felt him.
felf as much attached to the Prince, and to every'
branch of the Royal Family, as the Hon. Mover,
or the Him. Gentleman behind him (Mr.Eilkine):
but at the pregenr moment lie could not give his
confent to lay any new burdens on the people.—
He thought the Prince ought to be confined to the
arrangements which were nude in 1795, at which
period the Houle was told, that was the Lift time
they •hoiild ever be troubled on the glibly:* of his
debts. Since that time the Prince had urged his
claim to the Revenues of the Duchy of Cm-nwan,,

and the itoure had LT:n rti.::-.tc,lly told that Cm
Public were tootiderable del,to!.. to him on that
dceount. He begged the Hotit:- to attend to the
Ilatement Ile had to °flat rat th it head i—TO::
whole faro due oat account nl. t!tc a e'ccutie6 of the
Duchy of Cornwall was 23A. ,OC)r)1. ; a;,..,-.1:1111 t; :,t
there was a fum of 12g,M".;.. -.Which had beet. paSd
on his account inyegular payments ; to,ocr.l. oil
account of his education ; ,6,0001. to the Duke oF
York; 54,0001. on account of his martiage ; and
thine other items, which amounted in the agrc.
gate to 510,c001. This fum was to be f": HY
agaitill 234,00c1. ; by which it would appear, tha•
{,intend of the Public being favoured and Web:aid
tit hie Royal Highners, the Prince was aftually a
very large fum indebted to tl:e Public. This he
th.ught ought to be fairly unieraood, and the
Painee Mould be Llrialy confined to the arrange-
ments made in 1795. At that period there N7:1•1 a
very Oiling reafon, wliich did not now exist, for
granting every Mlittance to the Prince as fo dn..
:ma-Milled a branch of the Royal Family. ja,
cotiinitio was then in its fullefl flourish, in its very
zenith and plenitude of power ; and it was there-
fore incumbent on the Hoof,: to grant every of-
filiance towards maintaining the fplendour and
dignity of every branch of the Royal Familt:. At
prefent there was no filch thing exilling as j4CO:
billiCITI ; and therefore the House ought to be call. .
tiouc how it hicrealed the burthens of the people.
,At all everts, if the country be burthened, itouglsf
not to be iitfulued by being told that it was 4-13-
voured, and greatly indebted to the Pt ince.—r 41
cry ordcr ! Oiler ri—Th,, Hon. Metuber faid;
he (poke as a man who bad nothing to :ear, mut
little to hope. The Prince had aliened his claims
as a right, and it had been affetted that the pohlic
were greatly hie debut : on the contrary, h.: ho.
(liked that he Lad no right-whatever-but what he
derived from the booms and liberality of the pub.
lic. Fur thefe rei."Sons, he fhould vote for the pre-
vious quell ion.
Mr. H. I. escio.t. ss fail, that he molt give his
decided vote aeain't the motion. He was the hill
perfon in the is told that would tie any thing that
thould appear to throw the frnalleff odium on the..
Prince, but Ise could rot apps ove the mode of ia-
vettigating the fobjeal by a, pointiog a Curonatttec.
If the Prince had come trr ward and openly (fated
the full amount of his debts.. the Houle would then
have been able to form an exaft judgment on the
cafe. and 'nigh: have conic to an immediate
&cilium on it ; but this mode 4 enquiry by a
Committee he cnuid not apps ore. The claims of
the Duchy i f Cornwall teemed to be held o••er the
Houle as an Vojta i..: te, 'wen,. There was another
point which( he thought ought no: to ekapit the
notice of the Home, which was, that it had .Isuen
held our that the put.lie was favoured by thole
claims Being drops. He was of a ciarti:fry erniens
antt he thoup.-,llt it hut tioalit that tits point fluarld
be tun in its It sue ligl.t. He concluded by/lying,
that he hoped the Prince would aTill the Houk.
by iefumitl; the ft leottour and etignity of his tail.
ted Itatiou as frectily as arlihle. .
Sir W. Gs gar fpoke in favour of the motion.
He Paid, be thought it was one of the tirfi ditties
of that Houle, to fupport the fplendottr and dignity-
of the Prince of Wales, the heir apparent to tar
Monarchy, and as loch, one of the mull important
pillars of the Cool-tin:6on ; that this was the foun-
dation of the late Motion on this fubjeel ; and
unlefs this motion was agreed to, the intent Of the
other mull be altogether migstory, for the Prince
could not refume that fituation which it was the
objet of that meafure to enable liim to d0..1n 'his
opinion this was an objeek tO defirable, that how-
ever brought forward, or at whatever time, it
ought to he fupported. The motion Mould there-
fore have his moll hearty concurrence.
Mr. L•sc s Lies laid a feu words in explanation.
Mr. Dew r thought, that to agree with the mo-
t tinn was only common jullice, and what would be
approved by the country at large.
Mr. 131111)0;: could not give a silent vote on this
queftion.- He was fatistieu that the Prince sonikl
not, by the Bull now before the Houfe, be en 'bled
to refume his (laic and dignity ; hut to enquire into
the tit comtlances which impeded that refumption,
would, in his opinion, he indelicate. If a Commit-
tee was appointed. that Comm.-tee would be
placed iii a wit v peculiar tituatio... Either it mutt
he arin:fl with the ufnal powers of calling for
perfons, papers, and teccrds, and thus, perhaps,
make enquiries which might hi irkfome to his
1 Knyal Highnefs : or if thee power: were not
granted, the Committee would not be able to report
tiny thing on which the Houfe could decide. He
I did not objet to the motion, becatife he thought it
would incur the expellee of a few ciao:rands more
than the film which had been voted, but becaufe
any farther ill:et-fel-vice of the Houfe with his
Royal Highnefs's debts was contrary to the (obit
4 the An of 1 ;qt. On thefe grounds he would
vote for the previous quettion.
Mr. Tit Pl4l- v was in no degree forty that this
queilion had been brought forward ; for the Re-
port of the Refolution of the Committee on the
King's Mefhige had been brought up in a manner
which pree.rded him and others fiom (hating
their fee timents on that part of the piocecding.—
He would briefly explain the ground on which he
meant to fupport the motion for an inquire.—
Stippofe he were a Country Ocotleman, jolt conie
to town, and entering the Hotite for the tit fl fr.:
this night, in that flotation he would find on tlx
journalshisMajefis 's Metfage. hating his cieti re th A
the Prince of Wales should he pinced in a (hate t.f
comfort, and enabled to refume that flatinn which
became his rank ; la: would rind that his tteLage
had been followed up by a Vote tif the Houk.
granting 60,0001. a year to his Royal Highnefs :
and that a communication had been received from
the Prince of Wales, afruriug the Hook that the
meafure they had tdopted, in confequcnce of the
propofition of Ids Majell)'s Minifiers, would not-
: enable him to refume his date and dignity. Sup-
'poling, after finding all thi: recorded on the Jow-
-1 nals, that a Gentleman thus arrived from the
country should hear the motion of his Hon. Friend,
would it not haturaliy follow that he thould think
it (ilea to fupport that minion ; but he should with
to iroptire what acre the teafons which relented
his Loyal Highoefs ii out rcturnieg to that f'ua-

PE

don all were fo anxious he thotili refume ? Tn
going into the propofed Committee, Gentlemen
would not be pledged to vote for any firm of
money. lie did not know, he had NO means of
knowing, what would be the refill; of the inquiries,
of the Committee ; but of this he *as confident,'
that it would prove honourable to the Prince of
Wales. Sincerely attached to the Prince of Wales,
he not only defired that he might be relinred to
that dignity which became his rank, but to that
true dignity of mind which would be produced
by the removal of thole embarraffments, which
could not but be difigieeable to his feelings. Let
the world enernics of the Prince be put on the
Committee, and he was confident they mull give
a report favourahle to him. An Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Johnflone) had taken it for granted that the
Prince's claim on the Duchy of Cornwall was fa
Brice. He did hot pretend to know the fail, but
he %%mild afks why did not thole Gentlemen con-
ni..f'ed with the Pi:ice itate his claipas? The an-
fiver given to their ilateuitirt by Miniders and the
Law OE ers was not li.ll Illefe claims did not
exist. His Royal Hightiefs was delired to go to a
Court of Law. becaute Parliament could not de-
cide on the (Hellion. His Royal Highnefs fol-
lowed this advice, and his claims were in the course
of adjudication, when all at once his Majelly's
Miniiter comes down with a Meirage, and a pro.
polition to giant his Royal Highnefs 60.0001. a
ve fur a limited time. It was, however, very
llngulas, that his Royal Highnefi lh. uld have been
allow d to do penance for seven years. and that
the Ritzht Hon. Gentleman lb- old jail choofe the
enriment in Whi.ch lie had prefented his Petition of
Right to featch him from his ohfcurity. His Hi n.
Friend, who made this motion, had obferved, '
that lie brought it forward without any communi- j
cation from the Prince of Wales. This it was
fcarctly necefary to obferve ; for it mua he ap-
parent to eves y one, that fince the year 1795 his
Royal Highnefs had evinced a determination to
avoid throwing any burihen on the people in
cenfequence of his fitnation. His Royal Father
bad, however, offered him 60,0001. a year. .1 his
offer, however, ;son fooner accepted,than the Right
Hon. G.:ntlern.in brings down a Mirage, which
gives to the Pt ince the appearance of being the
means of increafing the burthens of the country.
The Eon. Gentleman to whom he had already
alluded, had Ahmed, that all the expences of
the Prince's education were paid out of the Civil
Lift. Ile did not pretend to know how the tabs
Rood ; b.it he was certain of this, that the Public
had received) lions the revenues of the Duchy of
Cornwall 234,0c01. and that all that could be let
fairly againß it, fo far as the H...ufe knew, was
z 6t,00z,•1. for the payment of his Royal Highnefs's
debts. The expence of Carlton Houle had been
mentioned; but if there culled a Prince of Wales,
it was necelfary be fhould have a bottle of that
kind to refide in; and it might as well be laid, we
will have no i'vince of Wales, as we will have no
hook of chat nature. But in his calculation the
Hon. Gentleman fhould have conßdered the in-
terest on the 234,0001. If that were added, it
would amount to nearly 600,0001. Then let the
a 61,0001. with its intereft, be dedußed, and there
would remain due to the Prince a balance of near-
ly 3oosoool. This, he contended, was the real Rate
of the queltion; &not. let the account be produced.
His Royal Highnefs had been called the mold ex-
penfive Prince of Wales the country ever law ; but
it would appear that he had not received from the '
public on an average more than 30,0001. a year,
which, he thought, was having a Prince of Wales
at a very cheap rate indeed. He knew of no in-
cumbrances contraded fince the year 2795; but
if there were, that was no mean for not going
into the inquiry. Gentlemen were fond of crying
up economy; but it appeared to him an odd kind
of economy to vote 60,0001. a year. merely on
the recommendation of the Miniller. and then to
refule to enter into an inquiry which pledged them
to nothing hut the afcertaintnent of fait'. Bat
amidst all this cry of economy, had there been no
addition made to the Willies of Public Officers
He did not defire that any thing fhould be voted to
the Prince of Wales for extravagances, but to se-
relieve him from thole embarrafTments which pre.
vented his affurning that fplendour and dignity
which was due to his exalted Ration. His affeaun
to the Prince of Wales arofe from a lung reties of
:rah of kindnefstowards him on the part ofhis Royal
Highnefs. but at prefent he aced as a Member of
Parliament fulfilling his duty, and independent of
any thing his feelings might en that account dic-
tate. On the Prince's communication to the I-lonic,
lie had declared that he would not refume his Rate
and dignity, and his Majelly's Minillers had ad-
mitted that they knew he could not. What is the
reaiiin ? AU lie wanted was, to be let into this
fecret, which his Majelly's blinitkrs ackuowledged
they themlelves poffeffed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EICNECQIER Rated,,
that he could take no blame to himielf fur the '
manner in which the Report on his Majefly's Mel:
gage had been brought up. He had given notice
of his intention to proceed with the meafure in
that way, and it was known that the Houk were
to go up with the Addrefs after the Report was
received. With regard to the prefent queflion, he '
mull own, that he was lorry any thing flionld have
occurred to interrupt that harmony which feemed
to prevail with refpett to the Bill before the Houle.
It was not necefary to declare. that this motion
had not been brought forward with the privity of
his Royal Highnefs the Prince of Wales. He
knew it could not. He had thought it his ditty
ro make his Royal Highnefs acqnaiated with the
Melfage before it was delivered to the Houfe, and
he had the fatithraioa to learn. that it was ap-
t., oved by the Prince. The account which had
been prepared, and the motion intended to be
made, were silo communicated to that .111tiftrious
Perfonage, and he had the fatisfaltion of alluring
rise Hotife that they both obtained his unqualified
approbation. He was, therefore, certain he fhould
have been informed of the circumftance which
had occurred, if his Royal Highnefs had defigned
to countenance the proceeding. The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman who (poke lag had Rated,
that he was delimits his Majefly's Meffage fhould
Le amended, and that the Houk fhould carry their'

liberality farther than what teethed to he the in-
tention of Minifters. The Hon. Gentleman who
fpoke &ft had, on the contrary, endeavoured to
give an interpretation to the Meffage, %%Ilia, he
contended, was not anfwered by the vote of the
Houle. He had, however, one great objection to
urge to all that had been flated. He would not
fay that the Houle could not grant money to
the Prince of Wales in confequence of an inquiry
of the kind propofed ; but it would he recolle&ed
that it was one of the wifeil principles that go-
verned the praflice of Parliament, that no bur-
then could be impnfed on the people without a re-
com mendationprevint,ll y received Irom the Crown.
How then could any Member go into this Com-
mittee with the view of afterwards granting money,
when he :could not tell whether this necelfary
fanetion could be obtained ? The Houle then could
not Itir a ftep in the Wines without a recommen•
dation from his Majelly, and as he had received
no inftrudions to that etre& if an addrefs were
moved fu, fucha purpofe, he lhould conceive it his
ditty to oppofe it. With regard to the debts which
his Royal Highnefs (till conceived hirnfelf bound
in honour to difcharge, they could °illy be of two
kinds. Either debts which were not delivered into
the CommifGoners in the year :795, or others
which had been fince contradtd in defiance of the
late Al of Parliament. It would therefore be a
very inconfiltent proceeding in the Houfe to adopt
any meafure which would fiippofe the exillence of
fuch debts. It was impoffible his Majelly.i. Taft
Mefige could have any fuch tendency, becaufe it
would have been improper to prefume that any
new debts had been contras ed fence the year a 795.
The debts alluded to might be perfectly honoura-
ble, and filch as it was natural his Royal High-
nefs thould be anxious to difcharge, hut they could
not be recognized by the Houfe. When the idle-
dole of the Prince's debts was made up, they were
listed to amount to 6a0,0001. His Hon. Ft iced,
who was then Chancellor of theExcliequcr, thought
it proper however to make the vote extend to
650,0001. ; but notwithflanding this caution the
debts given in before the time limited greatly ex-
ceeded that fum. The debts which had beengiven
in were accordingly fati.fied to that amount, and
others were, for reafons he thould not now (late,
taken by his Royal Highnefs on himlelf. In fpesk
ing of the manner in which the revenues of the
Duchy of Cornwall had been difpoled nf, an Hon.
and Learned Friend of his had laid, that his Royal
Highnefs had a claim, not on the liberality,
but on the juflice of the Houle, and bad added
that the refult of profccuting the Prince's claim
would be to place him in a favourably lituation.
—He was not Co prelumptuous as to entertain an
opinion on the fubjcd, but he had reafon to fuppofe
that his Hon. and Learned Friend, when he made
this declaration, could not have taken the opinions
of the higheft law authorities on the queftion. He
well knew that the Noble Lord at the head of the
Law had never expreired himfeif but in a way
w'aich was unfavourable to the Prince's claim.—
The Noble Lord at the head of chi Law in Ire-
land had not been confulted, and therefore it was
not known whether or not his opinion was favoura-
ble. He had been in hopes that, on the prefent
fubjed, every one would have abtlained from lay-
ing any thing that might tend to excite uneafy
feelings • but -fince the Petition of Right had been
fo often 'alluded to, he 'lnuit declare that that mea-
fore had not influenced him in the propolition he
bad made to the Houfe. He agreed, however,
with thole who armed that there was no difgrace
in a comprocnife ; and if others thought that a
ground for (appoint's the meafure, he fhould
make no objection to it. The (latements made by
the Hon. Gentleman opprifite to him, he believed,
were pretty accurate. The charges incurred by
the Public, for his Royal Highnefs the Prince of
Wales, exceed the receipts from the Duchy of
Cornwall by about t 7,0001. Under fuch eircum-
Otani:es was it to be fappofed that his Majefty's
Minifters thould be afraid of difctiffing the quer-
tion agitated by the Petition of Right. It appear.
ed to him much more fuitable to the real dignity
of the Prince of Wales Modell, that lie thould
continue fome time loner in that (late in which
all regretted to fee him, than that Parliament
(humid fandion debts which it could not, confillent
with its former proceedings, allow.
I Mr. Fox exprefted great furprife at hearing the
prefent defcribed as an indite& quettion. Of all
the motions he had ever heard diftuffed in Parlia-
, ment the prefent appeared to him one of the molt
fimple, and the molt plainly deducible from his
Majelty's Mcffage. If the motion was, however,
conceived to be of this dired nature, it had been
attempted to be got rid of in a very odd wav, by
reforting to an expedient which was confetfedly in-
' dired, and that was by moving the previous quef-
tion. The Right Hon. Gentleman who fpoke lag
had flatted feveral objeflions to the motion. Of
thefe oblations the moll ftriking were, that it was
impoffible to proceed in the inquiries which the
propoled Committee was to purfue, or at hall to
found any meafure on the Report, without previ-
()oily receiving the recommendation of the Crown.
To this objection the anfwer was eafy. This mo-
tion, in the firft inflame, had not any dire& con-
nation with any grant for railing money. It was
betides to be confldered that the general Conllitn-
tional principle to which the Right Hon. Gentle-,
man had referred admitted of innumerable excep- I
titan. In every Sefllnn it was almoft unneceffary
for him to remind the Houle, that a variety of
meafures were adopted in confeqtienee of particu.
tar motions, which in their confequences involved
a.grant of money; and thic ton without any pre-
vious recommendation from the Crown. The pre-
fent motion was indeed one which obvinufly refult-
ed from the words of the Meffage. He did not
pretend to quote the exprefs words, but they ge-
nerally conveyed the idea, that filch an eftablifh-
ment Ihould be formed for his Royal Highnefat as
would enable him to reftome the dignity adequate
to hisilluftrinus nation. For this purpofe,the annual
fum of 60,0001. had been propored by his Majefly's
Minifters. A communication from the Prince had
Rated, that thie fum was, in the prefent fituation in
which he was placed, incompetent to this objet ;
and if Gentlemen, on this ground, thought the pro-
vifion inadequate, he begged leare toafk, whether

in inq•iirinp; Into the. eaufe of this incomriericy,
they were not fallow tip and obeying the ob.'
fief/ and fpirit of the Meita-ge 'e On. a former day,
rutty 1:1,) ind pf,;:hds had been voted by the
Houle fw. the re-eflahlilhnient of his Royal ll' .;11.
nefs's fplendour and dignity. From die
authority it had been (fated to the Ilou a that t:6S
turn was inadequate, and therefore the Houle Lad
a right to know what circumaances prevente,: the
liefuniption of that o.ll)lAm:int, which n a: 1;
much the fubiect of general desire and expetta-
tion. This, indeed, had been put in to clear a
point of view by an Hon urahole Gentleman (Mr.
Tierney) tinder the Gail: t y, that it was unnecel
City for him to trefpafs long on the attention oldie
Houle. In the Meirage of his Majcily the Houle
were apprized at his anxious defire that his Royal
Highnefs fhotild, as Ilion as poilible, be placed in a
fit nation to refit me h is full eltabl (lime!) t. The Prince
had unequivocally flitted that certain circumllances
operated as °lsaac:es to the relit mption of his dig-
nay. What therefore was a more diainft tight orl
• a mme plain duty than that the Hattie lhould be
aoptized of the nature of thefe oh-lacks ? Was it
thus to b: undertiord that, whatever the nature ofl
thefe obstacles were, ilia they we•e :mm diately to
be removed, and that the Prince was, as a matter
of comae, to appear In all the fplendour in st ca
he ought to appear as Heir Apparent to the
Paha Throne? Certainly Tv) filch conchtlion was''
fairly to be dray n. All hat was contended fot
' was tiro, ly, that every obltacle lhould be remov-
ed, if it could he removed by the Members rf the
Houle in a manner confißent with the exec
cite of their public ditty. If the °Hades
were of that nature which could be removed
without materially adding to the hutdens of the
People, be thould certainly feel itrongly inclined
• to vote for difcharging dick incumbrances, though
he would not go fo far as a Right Honourable
Gentleman, to whole fentiments he had particu-
larly alluded. But what the real nature of the ob.
Rade was lie had not the means of ditcovcring.—
A Right Hoo. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the
Lechcquer) had laid, that the Houle were not at
liberty to fuppofe that thefe obstacles arafe from
the accumulation of any new debts, becaufe the
I Houle had no right to prefume that the amount
of die debts of his Royal Highnefs was greater
than deleribed in the accounts prepared by the
Commiffioners in Ins. This teemed to him a
molt lirange kind of affertion, and with a very
Ifmall degree of ingenuity, it appeared cafv to prove
that it was fundamentally erroneous. the Hon.
I Gentleman was, however, quite Mocked at the
idea. Iu 1795 the amount of the Prince's debts
was calculated at 630,0001. andbeyond this lum no
one is to venture to edimate their extent. The lan-
guage of the Right Hon. Gentleman was fingular.
"Phe Houfe were now to he told that they were not
even to fuppofe the exigence of any excels beyond
this etlimate,.and this too at a tin::: when the exit-
tenet offuch an esc:fs was folly ascertained. The
ecißenee of Tome difference betwixt theeflimateand
the aftual amount was naturally to be accounted
for. This was found in domeftic economy, even in
the (mallet eflablifhment. -It was, therefore, not to
be wondered at, that under the cireumflances in
which the amount of the Prince's debts were after-
tained,an excels to an amount confiderably beyond
the original eftimate, Ihnuld be found to exitl.—
If, therefore, Poch an excels exifted, on the face
of papers and documents already before the
Houfe, it was not fit that (peculation lhould,be
left continually at work on this fubje&—The
whole of the bonnets ought to be fully and un-
equivocally explained. As to the claims which
I his Royal Highnefs poffeffed on the public, a good
I deal had beea advanced, in the courfe of the dif-
: cualon to which the matter had given tile. On the
fubjett of the right of the Prince to the arrears of
the Duchy of Cornwall, the Houle had heard from
; a Right Honourable Gentleman(the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) that the preponderance of opinion
was hoftile to the right. But it appeared that a
reties of continual fet-offs were the principal argu-
ments :spina the right. Was it, however, to be
• tolerated, that if the matter had been brought to
a fair dilcualon betwixt the Prince and his Royal
Father, the claim of the expellee of education
might have beets let up and fuccefsfully pleaded ?
Such a plea never could have proceeded from the
real lovers of Monarchy. The Honourable Mem-
ber illußrated this part of the fubjett with his
ufoal admirable force of reafoning and Rrength
of argument. He ridiculed very happily the ar.
gument, that if the Prince's claims had been fully
confidered, they would have been found nugatory.
The Pimple flatement of the cafe was, that the
Prince was anxious for the profecution of his
claims; that the matter was nearly brought to
an iffue, and at that moment kiloliters had con-
tented!, by offering a considerable equivalent for
: the forpention of the privets, though they ktfew
that the party to which this equivalent was offer-
: ed, had not the flighteß chance of fuecels in the
ipmfecution of thefe claims. The condua of the
Prince on this occafion formed a ftriking contrail
to every thing like a dithonourable compromife.
Senfible of the importance of supporting an ella-
blifhment fuitable to his rank, he gratefully received
I the prnpofition which the Houle, in its liberality,
hadadopted. Therewas,however,anotherconfider-
; ation not lets important, and this his Royal High.
nets had attended to with Rill more ferupulous care.
With thankfulnefs he had received the offer which
the unfolicited liberality of Parliament had con-
ferred ; but it was equally due to his own charac-
ter, and to the charatter of Parliament, to let die
Public clearly underßand the fituation in which
their liberality would place him. He had cau-
tioned the Houfe and the Public againft the in-
dulgence of expettatione which at this moment it
was unpogible to realize. It was imp-Able to
conceive any line of celgdne more calculated to
raife his Royal Highnefs in the opinion of ever%
one capable of appreciating the excellencies of
character. The Hon. Member, after dwelling a
good deal on this idea, proceeded to (late and tr
compare the various fums advanced in behalf o'
his Royal Highnefs at different periods. H.
['sewed that many of the incumbrances of hi
Royal Highnefs were the elle& of unavoidabl.
attires, and were the natural rc(uk of circ umtlauees

peenliar to his fituation. At this period, when it
was pi ofc.ffedly the itrentmn of Parliament to
entbre the comfort and fopport the dignity of his
Royal Higlinets, according to the terrhs or his
Majetty's 4,:leti.ve, it was efferni.al th it he fhould
be fairly and honoarably dealt with. if he WAS to
be placed in that ftir and cnembarraffed lituation
every loyal inchvidnal f, anxiaufly defined, it was
but an a& of common plaice that the nature a-the
ohflacits which obfli tklect this molt detirabie ar-
rangcment fhoidd be latisfaaorily
He taw no better way of .11.ce? taining their nature
han by the Committee whicl: had been propofed,
and tli.refote it had his decided lopport.
Colonel GROSVENOP. WAI n‘ly fnpported the mo-
tion, :and earnellly hoped that fumething might
immediately be done to enable his Royal Highnefs
to refume that kind of Eftahlifhment in which his
birth, and the nature of the Conllitution, required
him to be placed.
Sir W. W. IVym Nit was of opinion that through•
out the whole of the tranfadion, his Royal High-
nefs the Prince of Wales had b c•: extremely ill
ufed. fie anzinufly hoped .hat the Hon. Gentle•
man who brought forwird the prefent motion,
would exert his heft endeavours to accompla rite
ohj Ct which i• had ill view. The plan propofed by
the R,giit Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer
i❑ his mind, proved inadeluate t.: place his
Royal Highn:fs in that rima.ion wh:ch it :eerilei
to be the general with of the Hoof: ;And of the na•
tion that he Ihoold be placed. For it thould be re•
colleCted that the ityle and fplendoue a Prince
of Wales's Eitabinhment, he fritab'e to the
dignity and grandenr of the United Kingdom.
Lord STANLEY rule merely to put a quell ion, to
wit—Whether all the meafures which were now
brought forward liMinitters, relpeCting the affairs
of the Prince of Wales, had received the complete
approbation of his Royal Highnefs ? He, fur one,
uuderftood it to be otherwile, or at leaft that Come
alteration different from what he expelled, had
been made in the manner in which the communi-
cation refpedling his lactation had been made to
the Houle.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECUJER declared,
that no alteration whatever of a material nature
had been made in the Ratement which his Royal
Higlinefs had approved of. The only omiffion, if
any occurred, was of fume exprefiinns contained
in the communication of 1783, which were omit-
ted becaufe inferences might now be drawn from
them, for which the prefent cafe left no loom.
Mr. ERSIINt obferved in explanation, that he
was wholly ignorant of the tendtncy of the Hon.
Gentleman's motion, until it was Rated to the
Houfe. The objeta of the motion Teemed to him
to be, that a Committee be appointed to inquire
into the amount of the funs which may be requifite
to enable his Royal Highnefs to refume hi, houfe.
hold, and to offer that tuns to his Majefly, in
order that his Majefly might accomplifli his vrifhes
ref-peeling the renewed ellabli(brnent of his Royal
Highnefs. Upon Ibis queftion he fhould give his
vote as an independent Member of Parliament, and
not as any way influenced by the libation which
he held under his Royal Highnefs. Much had
been Paid about the opinion of our legal authori-
ties refpeding the claims of the Prince to the reve-
nues of the Duchy of Cornwall during his mina.
rity : it happened that he was never absent, except
once, when that quellion was under the confider.
ation of •the Houfe; but he might venture to fay,
that no one profeillonal Gentleman had given a
decided opinion againft the title of his Royal High-
nefs to the revenues of the Duchy of Cor.w ill—
not even the Learned Lord who now fo ably pre.
fides in his Majelty's Court of Law. But ail aloe
opini ins to whatever fide they might incline, ~ ~e
wholly foreign to the prefent queftion. It was hie
opinion that the Houfe thuuld en.ible his Mat, sty
to fulfil his paternal and royal intentions refoetaing
his Son's fituation, and that if the fpecitie rum
propofed was not fufficient to enable his R )val
Highnefs to fupport and maintain his due dignity,
the Houfe (bout& come forward and offer hi. Md.
jelly the further means of accomplifiting an objea
which his Majefty, the Houle, and the •nation,
feemed equally to have at heart. •
Mr. Capin ino laid he was not difinclined to ante
for the motion ; but in voting for it, he did not
intend to pledge himfelf to concur in the retsina.
mendation which might be fuggefled by the Cam.
mitten. His opinion might in a great meafurelde.
pend upon the eircumfiances which the Report 01
that Committee might difcble. As to the eadf.
lion Will, whatever might be the opinion (mei,
tained by Come Gentlemen, he could ass -help con-
lidering the Prince as completely tve in it. The
propofal did not come from t rince, but ori-
ginated in the advice of Mi Rers. Whether.
thereforehlig.
therefore the application was it timed or not, or
whether it was confiftent with the regulation of
1795, he fhould not now confider: Ise was de-
limits that a vote lhould be given on the prefent
queftion without looking backwards or forwards.
but merely to the prefent quellion itfelf. The
Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Each&
quer has propofed a certain funs, namely, an ad-
dition of 60,0001. or yt,cool. to the income of his
I Royal Highnefs—that funs is found inadequate to
fulfil the objeft for which it was propofed, and here
his doubts began. For he felt anxious to know
what was the precife (Aka to be obtained, and what
was the amount of the turn requisite for its accons-
plifliment. On this point he was not prepared to
deliver an opinion, but when he was informed of
the turn to be propofed, and il the objett to which
it was to be applied, then he might be able to fay,
whether the objea was worth that turn or not.—
All he now knew was that the film propofed was
inadequate to the attzinmept of the obirtt, the ac-
complifisment :If which the H,,ufe had in vier .
But until the preeife amount rit that (in was at:
certa'ned, he fbould not pledge himleli to any par-
titular rneafiire.

Mr. Fotcra in esplanatinn eery wartvilr elponf-
tit the motion, mid aimed the Home that nothing
fhould deter him from giving it his mod de.;nicd
Cipport.
Mr. GOLDIN 0 expreffedliis convitflimt that every
neans fhould be afforded to his Royal High-lea
to ref 'me, as loon as priffile, the ipkndour and
dignity fiiitoblo to his birth and rank. [Toro ewr.