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ness has said about what passed between him and Reganti, I
think the question may be answered.
Mr. Wane withdrew the last question, and asked,
On that occasion what did Reganti do?—I went to buy
something, and Reganti said to me, knowing I belonged to
the Barons, Pomi, have you ever seen there courtesies be-
tween her Royal Highness and Bergami? Now is the time
to come forward to gain something, and become a man." I
answered, that I had seen nothing. He rejoined—" Have
you not seen the Princess on horseback, and Bergami put
his baud under her petticoats? I told him this was a perfect
falsehood ; for, instead of that, he paid her all possible respect
and decency which was due to that great Personage. I gave
up going to his shop, he annoyed me so much on the subject.
Cross-examined by the Arniamer-Ozeinat.
Ido not know the time precisely when the conversant 1
have mentioned with Reganti took place. He said it so ass,
that I can mention no particular time. He even went so fares
to say that he would wage war fill death against her. Several
persons were present at the time. I could name Antonio Bar-
rali ; the others I can't tell. I know them, but not their 11111111 L
Antonio Barrali is a man who frequented the shop. I eat
know where he, lives in Milan, nor how he is employed. 'I
conversation was general to all who were in the shop. I re-
member Barrali being present at such conversation only *ace.
Did anything more pass ?—1 said I could say nothing of her
Royal Highness, for she was a must st and charitable woman.
By Lord LAUDERDALE.—Were your yourself at the
balls at the Barons ?—I told you so the day before.
Were your daughters there?—No, because I have got none.
How came you to say the other day that you had stipulated for
a livre a day for your wife and half a livre for your daughters ?
I said (the witness mentioned in Italian diminutive, not mean-
ing daughters, but infant boys) I had a son nine years of age,
and others were under it. I had daughters, but they are dead.
MITONIO Meom sworn, and examined by Mr. Wutuass.
I come from Venice. Before I was employed in the Police.
Now lam manager of a playhouse. I know Paolo Zangla, whc
b manager of a theatre. I knew him in March, 1818. I was at a
theatre in Venice of St. Luke, in the month of November. Zangla
received two letters there at one time. I saw him open them,
and make a motion of surprise when he read them. After
that, Zangla bind I went from Venice to Milan for five or six
days, by the Diligence. There was money deposited for the use
of Zangla on the following day at the place of the Diligence,
fifteen Napoleons. When we arrived at Milan, we went to
drientale, to look for No. 660. Before we came to the door
there was a tailor's shop. Zangla went into number 660.=
I waited below. tangla remained away about a quarter of
an hour. I waited for him, and we went together to the
Inn. While we remained at Milan, we went to the house
of Vilmacarti, the Advocate. Zangla went into the house,
and continued to remain there about an hour and a half. This
was on the following day! I remained below, and Zangla came
down. There was another man. We then went to the house
of Major Brown, that, Zangla told me, was his name. I only
know one man named Brown. I don't know whether he was
a Colonel or a Major, for I did not see his belt. 1 saw hint
on the following day, when he met Zangla, and Zangla said
be was Major Brown. They did not speak to each other,
but they bowed. The name of the street in which he
lived was Porto Orientale, the Number was 660. Zangla went
up stairs on the occasion of which I have now spoken.—
Zangla remained a quarter of an hour. When he came down
hr had a handful of golden Napoleons--double Napoleons.
There ware, he said, S 0; and they appeared as massy. I mean
80 double Napoleons. Zangla told me--
The AnoaNs:l-GENrust said, the House could not receive
the conversation between Zangla and the witness as evidence,
Zangla not having been proved to be an agent.
Mr. WILLIAMS contended in favour of the question, and sta-
ted that he could prove that the witness had been told by Zangla,
th it hr should receive as much if he would make a deposition
against the Queen. It was necessary to proceed step by step,
as it would be impossilde to prove conspiracy by any other

means.
Mr. TYNDALL also areoled, that his Learned Friend was en-1
titled to pursue this course of examination, and pursued the same
line of argument adopted by Mr. Williams. This was one of
the facts, amongst many, from which their Lordships were to in-
fer the existence of a conspiracy, and by which they were to trace
that conspiracy to its source. If authorities were wanting, there
was one in the case of the King and Stone, in which a letter was
produced, not traced to the principal; yet it was admitted in evi-
dence, because beating on and helping to form a fine of facts.
The Artnexav-Gzeoesa. thought their Lordships would DOW
see the importance of the point they had to decide ; for if he un-
derstood the point for which Mr. Williams was now contending,
it was neither mere nor less than this, that not only were their
Lordships to receive the evidence of A, B, C, and a fist of wit.
tnsses going through the alphabet, to facts which uhilnately
might have nothing to do Vith the case, but they were also to
receive the evidence of reports prevailing in Italy, which might
by chance have made an impression on the minds of the wit-
nesses, although they had the witnesses themselves at the Bar.
Ile contended there was no act of agency proved here ; and if
such evidence as this was received, no man would be safe; as,
aocording to this doctrine, any one might be fixed with all the
consequences, however serious, of the acts of any one who might
choose to say, lam th? agent of so and so. Already had the evi-
dence of this whiles. been :Towed to go to an uuparalleled length;
fee e'en the gestures of Zangla were to be called as evidence
against Monet Brown ; and now his Learned Friend sets con-
tending for a right to call in rumours and reports circulating in
Italy. On the pal of Colonel Brown ard Vilmacarti, he called
on their Lordship to pause before they admitted so gross an
attack on the characters of those individuals. Before they could
proceed in this examination' his Learned Friends must prove
that &Ilea was the agent of Colonel Brown and Vilmacarti,
which at present they had not done. If such evidence as this
was received, there would no longer be any security for the pro-
perty or the reputation of any individual whatever.
Mr. Beoinntan hoped their Lordship would not stop this
inquiry, as to who were the conspirators. They did not attack
Colonel Brown.
The LORI) CHANCELLOR was at a loss to are how they
Could make die declaration of ?Angle evidence ; or how they
could dispense with calling Zangla, if they desired the advantage
of his acts. This was pushing the rules of evidence farther than
they had ever been pushed before.
Lord ERSKINE repeated his former opinion, that they were
bound, in the first instance, to go into the general evidence, and
afterwards bring it home to the parties, it they could. If ulti-
mately they could not prove this a link of the chain, connecting
the whole with Colonel lkown and Vilmacarti, then neither of
those persons would be affected by it. The Noble Lord re-
ferred to the proceeding, in Hardy's Trial, at the Old Bailey, in
1794 ; and said, the course now contended for was then pur-
sue I by his Noble ard Learned Friend the Attorney-General.
His Noble Friend called witnesses to prove facts, and put their
testimony upon recotd ; but he afterwards failed to connect the
Enka of the chain, and Mr. hardy was acquitted. But would
any one charge his Noble mid Learned Friend with a breach of
duty in calling such evidence? Certainly not. His Learned
Friend acted ip a conscientious discharge of his duty. The
Learned Judge, Chief Justice Eyre' was of opinion such evi-
dence should be received, and he had no hesitation in saying
that decision of the Learned Chief Justice was consonant to
sound law and pure justice; and on the authority of that case,
he now contended the present evidence ought to he received.
The LORD CHANCELLOR. thought if it were proved
that A B were of the party of C 1), and C I) were charged as
couspiratois' then the declarations of C would be evidence
against A 11; but at present no such connection was proved be-
tween the parties. So in the trials at the Old Bailey in 1794,
Justice Buller said, the letter of a person charged as one of the
conspirators, to another person, also charged as a conspirator,
might be taken as evidence against a third individual, also
charged as a conspirator. But the case here stood in a very dif-
ferent point of view : where was the connection between the
parties here, which could affect Colonel Mown or Vilmacarti
by a couversation between the witness and anigla?
• Lord ERSKINE itilf contended for the right of putting the

quell ion.
The LORD CIIANCELLOR said, if any doubt existed, it
would be better t 6 refer the questidn to the Judges.
Lord GREY thought, upon the law as laid down by the Lord
Chancellor, Ipingla was not ildficlently identified with Colonel
Drown, to authorise die qUestion being put. With this impres-
sion, he thought 1j unnecessary to put any question to the Judges.
Mr. Hint/coax bored their Loedships would allow him to
aby a few*Words. .•
• The LORD CH A MCRLLOR.—To-morrow morning, Mr.
Deouglantia, their Lordships will With pleasure hear aulything
Too hke to urgt.—Adjourned.