Star.
London, England, 1803-07-29 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

On the Ntation of I1(,r. VA s ri ermir, the Vote of dredit
the raeht•juet Bills Bill, the Duty Bill, and IM Tobacco
Duty He..uLtii• Bill, w.rt ititterally rred (mond date, odcom-
mil tea fur to Murplir:

The lidi for lul.prodin: Preen:dons againit Woollen Manpfae-
tams under the old Laws for the reguiiiion of that Trude, was
told a feei.ud J•rponed, no.: ordered to betted a third time
to-snort..w.
Lord CAS MIRIAM! moved for leave to bring in a lidltriaarehd
the Army of kelt-roe AR, with a Tiew to exempt thors (erring
either perfonally or by rubltitute in that army hoot being ballasted
for the Milithi-.4.tatriewas granted, the hill brought up, road a
Ark and ordtred to be read a fetond time to-morrow.
Lord HAWK ZS ISC'llr brought up the Prince of Orange's Aneui•
ty lift, which war read a hilt, and ordered to be read a fecund
time to-morro

The Bill for permitting the importation ef certain articles in
Nec-
tral fillips, and preverting the Emanation of copper, was read a
fecond .ime, and committed for tr-vaggrow.
The Sugar Bounty and Drawback Bill was ematmitted, and or-
dered to be reported to-morrow.
The AuCtioneers Duty Amendment Bill, and the Iris Tea and
CoWee Duty Amendment Bin, were read a brit time, and ordered
to he read a fecund time to-morrow.

On the Motion of Lord tiaweasivar, the Contelled Election
CORDADUCCS, wlticb had been formerly axed for Augult next, were
pegponed to different times from the zft to the 34th of September.
The FAA India Shipping Bill wat read a third time aud pared.
The Loan MA TOIL brought -up a Petition (from Merchants
trading is Stara front the Baltic, praying to be exempted from the
Ditties to be ralfed by virtue at the Bell Rock Light Mae BBL—
Rderred to the Committee on the Bill. "

At a quitter after five o'clock die Cuancettoa of
the Excuskyea prefented a Melfage from his Majyf-
ty. for which fee the Houle of Lords.
Upon the Melfage being read from the Chair,
The Coax est Loa oldie Excirsey s a rote and ad-
dreffed the Houfe to the following effect : « There
muff craft in this Houfe a general anticipation ofillOft
feelings and fentiments which his Majefly has enter-
tained in making the communication which has kid
been read from the Chair. There is alto, I am per-
leaded, in this Houfe, a difpolition and fixed deter-
mination, to jullify and repay that confidence which
has been repofed in it by our beloved Sovereign, in
adopting fuch'meafures as may be bell fuited to the
circumlltnces of the prefent conjuncture. Govern-
ment had every reafon to fuppofe, that the contami.
nation of principles which had producedon former
years the calamities of rebellion in Ireland had been
completely done away ; that the experience of the
bleffings which have been already enjoyed in that
country fence the period to which I allude, under the
wife meafures which were then adopted for the pur-
pofe of quelling the fpirit of inforreaion which was
then teftified ; and further, that the experience which
the world has already had of all thole views of Revs).
lotion and French principles of military defpotifm.
would have operated upon there who were bare enough
to join in rebellion again& the Conflitution of the
Country. Thefe flattering hope.% I am exceedingly
lorry to fay, have been chfapponned to a great de-
gree. It was aid by a great and eminent charaeter,
that be pitied that man who would endeavour to ag-
gravate the crime of treafon. That crime, however,
muff be felt to be highly aggravated by the circum.
dances of the prefent moment, when the whole body
of the people of this country appear to be united,
and co-operating with Government in the fopport of
our glorious Conditution. Notwithftanding all that
has yet happened. I am convinced that the great
majority of the people in Ireland are equally unani-
mous in refpeet to the defence of their country. are
equally loyal so their King. and equally anxious
to fupport the prafent happy Contlitution, with
there inhabiting this part of the United Klogdom.
The crimes of-High Trealbn mull, I fay. be pc-1
culiarly aggravated, when, notwithflanding all the
meafurei which have been adopted by Govern-
ment, a fpirit of difaffeetion and difloyalty fhould
have been mollified in any quarter of his Ma-
jelly's dominions; and that too at the very moo
mem when we are employed in plannie,g meafures,
and adopting the moo prudent precautions, for the
exprefs purpoit of fupportiag our moll excellent con-
Ilittition. Lamentable indeed it was. at this critical
conjoallure of affairs, that any portion of his Ida-
jelly's rubies% fhould have been laying plans which
were detrimental to the very ezifteau of that glo-
rious Conftitution under which they have lived and
enjoyed fo many bleffings. I =la view it u a cir
cumllance deeply to be deplored, that in one part of
the United Kingdom; any fee of men fhould be endea-
vouring even to encourage that enemy againft whom
we, in this part of the kingdom, are fp ftrmly unit-
ing, to repel from our dne% in cafe be fhould dare
to approach our country. I am perfuadird, however,
that the number of thole who are fo rebellionfly dif-
poled, even in that part of the United Kingdom. is
but (mall, and that there is dill a drug and peeve-
, lent dirpofition exiling to oppofe our mutual enemy.
I dull have the honour of haying before the Houfe,
after this queftion is difpofed of, information concern-
ing the particular inftances of infurreillion contained
in the groclamation iffued by the Lord Lieutenant in
Ireland; but I cannot conceive that any infortion
can be reckoned neceffary to perdu& the Houfe
to agree to the Addict; which I am about to pro-
pore. I am convinced that the mind of that man,
who is ardently interefted for 'ho welfare and prof-
perity of his country mull ticket with indignation
and flume. on the very mention of fd•ernes tending
to the fubverfion of its Contlitution. Parliament, I
think, has a right to expect the admiration, the thanks
and the gratitude of the whole body of the virtuous
and loyal inhabitants of the United Kingdom. for
their aelivityand exertion on all Inch critical occafious,
in order to rellore tranquillity. In the full perfuafion,
the, efore, that there will be no difference of opinion,
I hcg learn to propofe,
*• That an bumble Addrtib be prefented to big Mikity, to re-
tern big MajiUy the Thanks of air ifook ter Ids matt gracious
bieffage; to allure his Mikity , that we learn with the (troop*
feelings of regret and indignation, that a treasons :le and rebellious
fpirit of intonation has month fled itt, If lo Inland, which has
bent marksd with aircamftanees of pond ar atrocity in the city of
Dulthn; that. his !Osijek may be allured • f the readinefa and deter-
' usnation of bia faithful Commons. to adopt forthnith forth mea-
-1 forts as nisy appear to them to be heft calonbted to afford ro-
tation and temerity to his Majefty'a loyal fobjata in that pan
of the United Kingdom, and to retort and preferve roma tran-
quillity."
After this queftion has been difpnfed of. J final then
fubmit to the Houfe the Proclamation which has
been aped in Ireland by the Lord Lieutenant.
Mr. WINDMAIII..--" Sir. having heard the motion
which has kid now been proporctiby the Right Hon.
Gentleman, I cannot forbear crpreffing my fend-
molts on the fubjea. The propoling of an Addrefs
to the Throne. upon the very Came day on which his
&fejally's Neffegc hes been delivered, is a thing which
is c%ceertMgly until-nal in parliamentary proceedings.
I thinle it way bmotkontd terpedful co tbs Crown,

t make a fmall interval oftitre ternixt his MajoikYv.
Melfage and the Addict's which is now private:l, bet:
caufe it tellifies more drongly that degree of attention
whiell we, his Parliament, have paid to it. It is es•
ceediitgly delirable for the Houle that loch delay
fhoithi b: interpolcd, that they may know what an.
tirri.in their wifdom teems to be moil proper. The
objects comprehended by this Meffage, however, are
not at patent fit for mature confideration: In the
prefent ;nuance, I entertain so doubt of tie propriety
of the Moore affenting to the purpofe of his Majefty's
Merfage, but there might be a quedion whether or not
that hlcirage really contained all tha: was conform-
able to our feelings on this occalion? The agent which
mull be given to any Meffage from the Crown, mull
not only exprefs our general concurrence in the mat.,
tees therein comprehended, but it ought alfo to Signify
our real fentimentspui ideas upon the fubjeas. Were
not this the cafe, he had no doubt that an immediate
anfwer might on the prefent occafion be returned,
but it has not been the practice of this Houfe to do
fo. The Right Hen. Gentleman has given us to un•
derfland, that he would not think it prudent to de
tain the Honfe with the particulars of this important
intelligence, previous to his motion being adopted ;
fo that we are jute left in a date of furficient informa-
tion, to make fuch an anfwer as he has now pro-
poled. If this conduet be adopted, and reckoned
prudent. I Mould with to know, why the other prac-
tice has ever prevailed ? If the bare flatement
meafures be enough, then it Should be thought unbe-
coming in Parliament ever to enter into any minute
confideration of a Melfage, previous to its adopting
an anfwer to be returned to his Majefty. Now, upon
this particular lubjed, I can really conceive that
there is a great deal of information and mature &-
liberation wanted, before we can frame an Addrefs
which could be reckoned proper for the occafion.—
When we have fomething more than this general
communication of a rebellion having broken out in
Ireland, many different refleftions may arife out of
the particulars in regard to what this Houfe ought
either to fay or do. Is it an eafy matter to fay, that
Ireland has been furprifed by an open rebellion or
inthrredion having broken out, that Government
have been to ignorant of their dangers, that even the
Capital of that part of the United Kingdom has
been alrnon wrelled from them by means of that re-
bellion ? Are not the& points on which the Houle
would with to be informed, before they think of
adopties any final aofwer to fuch a communication ?
If it were Paid that fuch information could not be
now fubmitted, but that the earlien opportunity of
doing fo Mould be embraced for that purpofe, I
would willingly allow my objedions to fall to the
ground, and Should be of the fame opinion with the
Right Hon. Gentleman, that without knowing more.
we Should terrify our defire and inclination to affift
his Maiefty. Such, however, not being the cafe, and
this being all the information we are to procure upon
the Subject previous to our voting an Addrefs. I fay
that the Houfe is thereby precluded from all oppor-
tunity of entering into the confideration of the fubjed.
The Right Hon. Gentleman has expreffed bit Hauer-
inghopes and expectations as to this rebellion only
affecting a very (mall part of that country, and of its
being prevalent only amongft a very fmall portion of
Its inhabitants ; but even as to that circumltance, in
our prefent Situation, we are not able to fay yes or
no. Soon after the exiikesce of the tan violent in.
forredim in that kingdom, we had heard reports
eery different indeed from thofe which are certified by
the prefent Merest. We were given to undereand
by Government, that every thing was perfectly tran-
quil in that part of the Kingdom. An Hon. Officer
(Colonel Archdale), who had often dininguilhed hirta
Pelf in this Houk. not long ago °Verged, when con-
verting sepal thin very topic, that, without a know-
ledge of the local fads, it was impothble to procure
accurate information as to the real Situation of a
country; bat that it confined with his knowledge,
that all was pettedly quiet in that part of his Ma-
jetty's dominions. For my part, however, I mutt
confers. that I cannot conceive it ble, except by
the interference of tome miracle. that the peafants of
that Country, whole minds were lately fo agitated,
and whole kends were employed in forging pikes for
the dedrudion of all the loyal inhabitants within ,
their reach, Should all of a fudden be converted into
the very contrary defcription of men, and become
pettedly loyal and peaceable &Netts. In addition
,to thefe conciliatory accounts I may obferve. by way
of queßion. how came Government not to have
been better prepared for emergencies fuch as the pre.
Cott I How comes it to pals, that the Capital of that
part of the United Kingdom was within an ace of
being taken, and the Government overturned
appears from all theft eirctunaseces' that the Go-
vernment of the Country may be Snatched away,
without the leaft notice being pre vioully given to the
Houfe as to the real 'Lining dangers. This being
the Rate of things. it required the greaten confede-
ration of Parliament to know what ought to be done.
The delay of even twenty-four hours hes been ob-
jected to in the pretest inflame. Nor ean I deter-
mine, whether the urgency of the cafe can be fo
great as to preclude the urgency of confederation.—
I really think it is a little curious. that the fortifying
of London. which has been. a fubje& lately under
JR-coition in this Houle, and which has been Rated
by Minifters to have been in contemplation for a fe-
ria of years part, efpecially during rumours of lova-
lion, his to this day been delayed. but has now at
this prelim moment become a matter of fuels ex.
teems urgency, as not to admit of the fmallen delay;
within there few d..ys, indeed. of fo great import-
ance was expedition and promptitude zeckoned as to
fortifying London. that hfinifitrs could not even al.
low themfelves time deliberately to difeufs the fubjed
in this Houle. fo as to determine whether the top of
a hill or the bottom of a valley were the molt proper
places for the ereetinn of fortifications. Such a fon-
dled on the part of Miniltry is perfectly inconfifient.
I may conclude by raying, that if this Addrefs is
at prefent to be agreed to, it Should in my opinion be
done onlypefinne, and then the matter taken into
confideration and deliberate difeurGon ; it being a
predict not countenanced by the general rules of um
Houle, to vote an immediate Addrefs to any Melts
from his hbjelly."
Mr. SIIIII.IDAII.-" I do not rife for the purpofe
either of voting for the prefent Addrefs, merely pro
former, nor do I rife to reply to the oterervations which
have fallen from the Right Hon. Member who has
juft fat down ; I know that no anfwer becent.:s ne-
cefLuy. in the prefent intbutcei to my thinsitbat.Gen-

tleman hds laid. No reply is requi4te, in order to
do away any argument ufed againli the propoled
meafure ; for lure I am, that a cordial agreement
already prevails in the Houfe u to the motion now
under ditto tfion. As for argument, I may fay, that
the Right Hon. Member has urged none, and there-
fore I rife principally toe:frets my aftonilhmantshat
there fhooki be a min in this Houk, whiscouldthitik
of Rating the leaft oblation, or hefitatearmoment
to the propriety of adopting the propoted mea,furq
on loch a prating emergency. Helms (hued the ufoat
pratflice of the Houfe ; but, Sir, I vrotdd alk, are
not even fotms to give Way to filch an insportmat
matter as that now under difctiffian? I like the famine
the better, becaufe we are obliged to proceed. in latt
unuftral manner. Ht has laid, that even twenty-four
hours are not of great confequence in Inch a cafe eta
this. I beg leave to differ moil decidedly from thiq
Right Hon. Gentleman as•to that particular. I could
with him to reflett, what rife& Inch a delay would
have in Ireland.. Wben 60'1f:tads in chit censer,.
would be trembling and looking with znsiety to out
prefent deliberations, and others perhaps at this mo.
ment (haring the fame fate as thatof the unfonnuses.
Chief Jullice in that country; who has already failed
a facrifice to a meat rebellious and audacious mob;
what would the people in Ireland think, if they se-
derflood that we had adjourned for the (pace of at
hours ? Nn ; let us not make the fmalletl delay its
returning that anfwer 'which the emergency of that,
cafe requires. The Right Hon. Gentleman wikeo
to reproach Mini tiers for having difrouraged the loyal
part of the inhabitants of Ireland. His allegations;
teem to be totally unfounded. I hope and quit drat
no infurreition of the kind he has Alluded to has ta-
llied on this occation. Is it to go forth to the people
of Ireland, upon his fimple authority. that the infur
gents were in filch union, as to be able to take the
very Capital ? That would be calling forth inform-
lion and rebellion over all the United Kingdom --
Whenever the Right Hon. Gentleman, oh() bars
moved this Addrefs, ebonies to bring flertarii the
matter for more deliberate ditcutlou. I !hall met
cordially and attentively enter into it; but, at pre-
test, I am ftrongly of opinion that no delay ought-
to take place in regard to the adoption of the rope.
motion."

Mr. Virtannitte explained.
Mr. Horc I viol+ raid, that after hearing Inch aro
counts of his countrymen in Ireland, he looked to
that pan of the United Kingdom with horror aid
difguft ; and was almoll afraid to own himfelf of that
country ; but he trolled, that he could venture tai
match himfelf with any man in point of loyaky.—
At a time like the prefent, when the (creams of the
widow, and the tears of the orphan ware resetting
oar ears, he thought that no delay ought to intervene,
fo as to obftrua the adoption of fisme fpeedy mestfures
for their relief. As he knew the bleffinp of &ceps-
flitution of hts country, he was determined to die as
rapport of it ; and as he loved his country, this Ad,
drefs had his molt cordial concurrence. He hoped
and trolled. that the loyal part ofthateoentry might
not be confounded with the murderers and tcausumw.
part of it. He thought that we &paid mark oer -
and determinatioo to fupprefs rebellion. and

fame time manifeft ourfeives to be wife, prude:ll
humane in our meafures. Whatever aught
feeling% as to his country. he trailed dust Grout t.
fures would be adopted in its behalf as the pretest
occafion ; and whatever errors in his hemble

ment there might be, in regard to what angina
not have been done by Maier,, be hooldibat
draw the attention of the Hoof* from the pude'
point at prefent under difeurroo. He Iliould
that be was violating his own feelings as tahis
try. were he to urge bin opisioas so theft swam
this moment, becaufe he thought that the seWliesp
ought in the firs place to be furpreffed.—At
tempt to reform grievances at the pairs of the
net, ought to be met in a tiaras. way.
Lord HAVMJ4IIIOITe" Sir, I llllllLiabeaa&
in riling on fuch an occafron a& the preterit, fi .
take up the time of the Hook with any oblervationt
on Poch a fubje&, or to be the means of 4:12f
a tingle minute our acquiefeence in the
dref,; but I do confefs that the f,pesch of the 11
Hon. Centkman oppofite to me, (Mr. Windham).
has made loch asr nopredlon vpon my mind,
even what has been already kid in anfwee tab
ferrations by two Hon. Members, fo conformable

my own opinionicaanot 'prevent mafioso Asti%
at prekna occurs to me. I tan* fay, Sir, don if
there was an oteafion for the Members of this ir

to unite io one opinion, it is upon this protein
their. The Right Hem. Gentleman has mated
Majtay's Government of having ado* with predpip
. Laney, and otberwife not as it ought to Lave doom
Always attacking every meagre olGoventinent•ehe
Right Hon. Gentleman has been pienfoli to ispisher
this prokot cep is confoonabk to the condeiltot►
Majority's Miailters. I call on him, I cbadtenge I
I dare him to prove, that ever there edited any
vernment more ready to give informatioq mom
pled to meet enquiry, and to a& in !eery way,
cording to the true coseitotionsi prrneiplits ct
country, than the preterit Adminiltration. Is is gm,
conftitutional principles which ought toadies=
Government. The attack may ham boor
againtt enyfelf and my Right Hon. Colleagues atom,
but when I can tell the Right. Hon.. Members, tiv
on former occafions when ihchnseafuresocemsed.aM
keened to preclude theneceffity of aU other Gadder.
'ations than the objeet before us, that Right Hoar
Gentleman himfrif has often naked with burros*
in voting for addreffet upon the fame day on
his Majeay's MeTage bad bees delivered. L
that there is any culling fonts or revelation.
on great e ie. can prevent fuch a
being followed. The Right Honourable &Zeman
himtelf had formerly none of tilde delieatefeeliager
none of that's qualms of cookie/ame which be now
areas. It is now, for the Grit time, that be breaks
out, under eircurnltances of rebellion. latish
Uarly call forth every naive and prompt
A rebellion has broke out in Ireland. 'notecase's'',
than ever oc,urred bdore t and yat the Right
nourable Gentleman has faid, not p..-
fentiments et once, but enemas( itil."llengit
the pretest rebellion has been yet of alert derarions
already bas a molt refpettable els:railer; the
Chief Janice of Ireland, fallen a hailice to the \
vage ferocity of an armed mob. havlni been IMissilr••
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Roo till U aimed banditti hafbad time to commit a
few more murderi r Are no piecautions'to he taken
tia prevent &Ai and fush -melaricholy 'code-
,sines ? The propolition of deftly is perfectly atsfurd,
in fuch a critical emergency as the prefent. I conk
not refill the intimate I felt, and I am convinced that
Everyman in the Houle moll feel a defire to exprefs :
ienlimentsdirealy the reverie of what the Right Hnn.
Gentleman has ventured to throw out. The Houk is !
by no means precluded from voting for this Addrefs
at prefent ; but grant that it was precluded by forms
which mug on other occafions be rigoroufly attended
to, I would afk, isnot this an occafion where 4 natal-
nl and fair line of diftinttion ought to be drawn ? It
is not now for us to enquire into the caufes which
have conduced to this rebellion, or whether it has
originated from any degree of neglat t—but to fay
'that we (ball adopt precautionary meafures. The
only tendency of the Right Hon. Gentleman's objec-
'Con has been to prevent the good effect which would
undoubtedly have arifen from our (hewing to the
country that we are all of one fpirit, one feeling, and
one voice, as to the propriety of adopting force fpeedy
and effeetual meafures for quelling the rebellious
infurreElion which has unhappily teftified itfelf in
that part of the united kingdom."
Mr. WIND/AM, ill explanation, Paid, he (hoold not
have even expreffed thofe doubts which he had ex.
;wolfed, if his fo doing could at all prevent the necef
ifary meafures being taken for the fecurity of Ireland.
Dr. LAUKIINCE.-•—" My Right Hon. Friend has
not, in my apprehenlion, made any objedion to the
motion. but merely wifhed for an enquiry into the
Rate of a country conneeled with this by every tie of
reciprocal intereft, of Situation, and of detliny. Ido
not confider it as a proper anfwer to him to fay, o pats
this meafure firft, and you may afterwards move any
enquiry you think proper." Minifters heel no right
no throw that emu upon others, it being their duty to
I produce themfelves all the neceffary information.—
Trorn the manner of the Noble Lord, it &mid teem
as if he confidered it as a queftion of pafilon and
feeling, and not a qtteftion dependent on the judg-
/ went. When they all acknowledged that my Right
Mon. Friend made no °Nation to the motion, how
came all this vehemence again& him ? One Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Sheridan) afferted, that he heard
no argument from him, and yet the greased part of
his own (peak was in anfwer to thole things, which,
if Jey were not arguments, at kaft bore the &ape
and femblarsoe of them. Had that Hon. Gentleman
attended all the debates is this Houk, he would have
beard Members from that part of the country an.
tertime a Ipirit of loyalty. pervading all the people
of Ireland. That fpirit is certainly Ir:confident with
the occurrences ssuste.fpoken of, though sot fo much
fa with what a Noble btember (Laird de Blaquiere)
&ration* mentions', of the tricks and gambols of
lion.ing bootee, wounding cattle, etc. I will not
ftreple to maintain that the tyßem of Millilitre has
been to blind the eyes of the people, Co as to prevent
• them from feeing the real Rate of affairs. At one
time. for the fake of fume particular mea(sne, they
reprefent the country to be at peace, and in a few
fitouths or weeks, afterwards communicate fuch alte-
red circumflances as nothing but a miracle could
feemckpable of producing. The Noble Lord ( Hawker-
h9ry ) boldly silted, in what did the Minifters withhold
information ? I anfwer, that they have done is now
in the prefent cafe; that theLdid fo.On the effeas
they peopofed cfpe#llii.ta binprodoced by the peace
ei Amiens, and, sliatibere never was a vote, called
for in greater cfarknets than that which pared in an-
fwer to his Majelly's Meffage of the nth of March.
Yet with all thefe impregnable alliances againft him,
the Noble, Lord Wields the great weapon of his ora-
soiy, attd peaking at the utmott height of his voice.
Snakes the founds se-echo by repeated blows upou the
table : the ve challenges he h.as given thew himfelf
to be blind. fiery of hear! bear!) The Minister
hissfslf who appears to feel bold upon this challenge
will, Iliac mate Via behinds prove names. I
conclude, Sir, with giving it as my opinion, that no
.1 swot confidence we can pats win have the fame ef-
fect as an alt of our judgment, agreed to without
forernnning otfr deliberation." '
Lord CabTl.fitaon rote to anfwer tioneliVerva.
Stens made by the Hon. and Learrieteentleman who'
fpoke lan, and who, he obtented,*iiite to explain the
(omit of a Right Hen. Gentleman (Mr. Windham);
but which hip explanation tended to render he. clear
and lefs intelligible. The Hon. Member Aid, his
Right Hon. Friend had only called upon his Majef-
ey's Minißen to pledge themfelves to fall refponlllA.
lity and explanation on the fuhjeas which called for
this mature : lint.fuch a pledge would, in tome 'ma-
ture, imply an admiffmn of criminality on their parts.
jlis Majelly's Knitters were ready at any time, to
tweet any charge upon this or any other fubjea which
might be brought again& them ; but they would. he
was lure, give no pledge which could fubjed them
to the implication of criminality. The Hon. Gentle-
man, and his Right Hon. Friend, bad charged bit
Majtay's Minifters with criminal delay in bunging
forward the late matures for effeaing the defence
Sind fecurity of this Country. He owned he felt the
charge with tome degrfe of indignation, becaufe it
was unfounded and slljuf. If his Majeßy's Minifters
had not been able to carry through thole tandems
with the degree of expedition and promptitude that
Would have been more fatisfaaory to themfelves, it
Was beeaufe the meafures were new to the Country,
and to Parliament ; and therefore it was inditpeslibly
beeefary to proceed with deliberation, and give time
to dikufs them in the fulleß and moll fausfadory

*muter. But the queflion now brought forward
was ow of ■ totally different ;mature. and otie
Which could not admit of any &lay, but called for
' the ucma promptitude and decifion. There were
many queftions of an ordinary nature, in which the
}lnure. with perfeet propriety. might maintain its
%fuel forms of proceeding upon a communication
from his Majefly. It had always, however, been
;dual, in Parliamentary proceedings, to acknowledge
his Majdly's bleiTAge, and declare the slifpnatinn of
the Houle to take it into confide ration, and aft there-
upon In Inch manner as in its wifdont ihould hem
befl ; but upon a queftion of this urgent and impor•
tant nature, it had always been ufual to met with the
:non immediate promptitude ; and fo it was with
anon of the preffing meafures brought forward in the
late war by the Right lion. Gentleman and his fiends,
when they formed his Maießy's Ailminitiration.—
The Right lion. Gentleman had charged his hiAjef-
tl's Government in kelasil wish having keen ism-

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[rant or, an.T 'ttrifillgred for the *rent intlance df
,!oftirre(tiost. Tbo MR was, his IViajelty's Gores*-
mein there wereapprifed fume days before it acts,*
red, !hat fume torchitf was in agitation, and *el
were prepared accordingly to defeat it. But he wi
to know, from what, if from any authority but con.
jraare, the, Right Hon. Gentleman (laced that the
Government was within an ace of being overturned,
or the capital within an inch of being wrelled from
them ? From no authority at lean, that he himfelf '
kttew of, could it be conjeaured that the danger bore
ally fiat of proportion to fuch a (torment. There
was often a difpofition too prevalent with many "
Gentlemen, when they (poke either of the prevailing 1
loyalty or difaffeelion in any part of the country, to
generalize the principle to the whole, which in fad
was only applicable to a particular fpot ; and not-
withftanding the recent inftance of infurreetion and
outrage which occurred in the metropolis, and that
the feeds of the late rebellion might (till be cherilhed
amonglt a confiderable portion of the ignorant and
Tower orders of the people in certain quarters, yet he
was by no means ready to admit that the charge was
applicable to the whole Country : on the contrary, it
was his own opinion at this moment, that a very conli-
derable change had taken place in the public temper
of that country for the better; and this more erre-
cially, (ince the wife mcafure of Legiflative Union
had taken place.
Dr. Lawatoce complained or the fcantinefs of
the information fubmitted to the Houle on a fubjea
fo deeply inrerefting. He thought tha't the Houfe
had a decided right to call for information refpea-
ing the whole circumfiances of the prefent fituation
of Ireland.

Mr. ALEZANDe a recalled to the attention of the
Houle the vigorous and fpirited meaftires purfued by
the Parliament of Ireland at the breaking out of the
former rebellion. The dies of this energy and vi-
gour had been found ineakillably beneficial, and he
therefore recommended fimilar firmnefs and zeal on
the prefent occafioo. The promptitude and zeal of
Parliament would do more to (bike terror into the
rebels than any meafure uhich'Government might
adopt, however vigorous.
Mr. BaxHAM vindicated thofe who thought that a
(port delay in replying to the Meffage could be pro-
duftive of no poflible inconvenience. He was ready
to admit, that if the reply could at all contribute to
the immediate fuppreffion of the rebellion, then delay
even for a moment would be infinitely difaltrous.—
This, however, was not at all the cafe for the conf.
deration of the Houfe, for the mere voting of a reply
refpeding the natuire:f which no poffible doubt could
exilt, could have no pofitive influence in the ießora-
tion of tranquillity.
Mr. AacisDALS took occafion to allude to what he
bad on former occafions dated, with regard to the
prefent lituation of the public mind in Ireland. It
had been hinted that what he had prophefied on this
fubjeft, had been completely falfified by the atrocious
aft which had given rife to their prefent deliberations.
To this alTertion he could not at all accede. When
he (poke of the difpolition of the people of Ireland,
he did not by any means intend to infiouate that the
fpirit and principles which bad produced the late re-
bellion, were totally extinguilled. He knew too much
of the Rate of Ireland ever to bring forward fuch an
afertion. It had been hinted that fuck reprefenta-
tions of the Rate of Ireland, were the refult of the
warmth of patriotic feeling. He had fpoken what
he knew of the prefent fituation of Ireland, but he
never meant to fay that there did not trill in that
part of the United Kingdom, a number of factious
individuals anxious to promote fchemes of anarchy
and confufion. He withed that Gentlemen who voile
In forward in bringing objeßions againli the conduit
of Minikers, would imitate the cundua of an Hon.
Gentleman oppolite (Mr. Sheridan) who on every
great and trying necafmn, had taken the lead In loyal-
ty and patriotiftn. That Hon. Gentleman had,
pitii a id all the violer.ce of party, and all the changes of
`, we opinion, conflantly adhered to truly aria&
i gbage and Mita feelings. Wherever the honour,
the independence, or the rights of his country were
Involved, that Hon. Gentleman bad been the firß to
otter fentimenti calculated to roofs and invigorate
the country. Such an example was partieularly
worthy of imitation at fo perilous a crifis, He could
not help thinking that Gentlemen would be much
more ufefhlly employed in roofing the energies of
their countrymen, than in oodles repetitions of the
waakoefs of Minillers and the ability of the Geo
vernment of France. Such reprefentations could
neither be attended with beneficial codequences in
this country or in Ireland. They could only tfifpirit
the loyal and give new courage to the difaffefted. In
England they could produce no poffibla advantage,
while in Ireland they might be produdivo of the
gfeatell injury. •
The queftion being now put was stnanimonfly
agreed to, and it was ordered that the Addrefs be
prefented to his Majefty by fuch Members as are of
his Majeßy'seriolt Honourable Privy Council.
The CiIaNCILLoa of the Baas Kruse then laid be-
fore the Houk a Copy of the Proclamation ifued
by the Lord Lieutenant and Privy Council of Ire-
land, offering rewards for apprehending the murder-
ers °Mord Kilwarden and the Rev. Mr. Wolfe, which
being read by the Clerk at the Table,
The CMANCILLOZ of the Excososisa role, and
Paid,--" Sir, the Houfe will have obferved, from the
Proclamation which has been jug now read, that
the melancholy and thocking outrage which it de-
feribas was, in the opinion of thofe of his Majetty's
Government who iffuedrk, the refult of dangerous and
traiternes infurreltion :--and nothing Ihould induce
me to bring forward the propoßtion which I intend
this day to offer for the adoption of this Houle. if I
thought the horrid outrage was the refult of ordinary
riot, or any other (pecks of attack than one intend-
ed direßly cgainfl the State t and I am free is ad-
mit there could be no other ground which could Juni-
& a propofition for narrowing the lilac ty of the fob•
jell, or trenching in any degree upon the principles
of the Conßituiton. It is with the utmolt pain that
I feel the necefUty now of bringing forward fuck a
meafure, and it is with the deepeß reloßance that 1
undertake the talk. The communication jun now
fubmitted to the Hoofs, does not furnilh details of
the circumßances encoding this atrocious bufinefs fo
fully as could be wafted, in order to prove fully to
the•Hoofe, that it was the refult of a treaforiable In-
furrthion. But there are occafioos when Parliament
may feel itfelf fully jullified in the utopias of vigo-
rous mediates. Such I Incas this day to propofe,

upon theft:lcahn affUrarice. "his bfajelly's Mainers,
fubje& to the heavy refponfibility in which they
are bound, that ciicurnilatsees exiff, fuch as to war-
rant the a.loption of vigorous meafures. But be-
fide the circumflance detailed in the PrOciamation
itfelf,. under the authority, of the Lord Lieutenant
and Privy Council of Ireland, and ifued almoft
from the Come of aftien, his Majelty's Minifters are
in poffeffionof foch farther partieulars% as plate the'
,:utaiaty of a treafonable infurredion beyond an pofii-
ble doubt, but which it would not be proper at this
moment to difclofe. This infurration was obvioufly
concerted with the enemy, and attempted at a mo-
ment when invafion menaces our fhores, and the Par-
liament was fuppofed to be about to feparate. Sir, an
Hon. Gentleman, who (poke eat ly in this debate, has
(Aid, that any attempt to reform grievances at the point
of the baynnet—ought to be met at the point of the
bayonet. I agree with him, Sir ; and if to the power
of the bayonet and the firelock, are fuperadded the vi-
gour of law, I unit fuch attempts will—as they ought,
be effethially and promptly put down. I always feel
the &veil reluflante in the neceffity of refbrting to
vigorous meafures of feverity. But if the Houk felt
the neceflity of arming the Executive with the powers
contained Ma Bill which paired yefterday,for enabling
his Majefty to (eize and detain all perfons (of-peeled of
treafonable deigns in this realm ; there can be no
objeCtion to arm his Majefty's Government in another
part of the United Kingdom with fimilar powersagainft
perfons accufed of Cuch crimes, when treafon and re-
bellion openly exift. The Bill, Sir, which I have to
propofe, and I do it with the greateft reluaance, is
not one to enable his Majefty's Government in Ireland
to declare Martial Law in counties or diftrits where
infurration exifts, for that is a privilege which his 1
Majefty already poffeffes by conftitutional right, but
a Bill purporting, in its title, to be for the proteaion
of the lives and properties of his hfijelly's loyal Cub-
jeas, and for the better fuppreffion of InflirrediOn
and Rebellion ; and the °Nat of which will be, to
enallie the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, when any
perfon or perfons (hall be taken in rebellion, to order
them to be tried immediately by a Court Martial.
I do not mean to give even the Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland the power of' fuperfeding by Martial
Law the operation of the Civil Code, nor to do
prive the fubjed in civil cafes of the advantages
derivable from the ordinary courfe of the law of the
land. The power which the Bill I propofe will con.
trey to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, is fhort of the
power which his Majefty already paffeffes by his pre-
rogative; and nothing but the moll firm conviiftion
of expediency and urgent neceffity, as a meafure
well calculated for the objets to which it is direlled,
would induce me to propofe it for adoption. There
is another Bill which it is alfo my purpofe to offer, and
(Mold the Houle think fit to adopt the prefent motion,
I &all follow it up with another, for leave to bring in a
Bill to fufpend, for a time to be limited, the benefit of
the HabeasCor pus Aft in Ireland. Thisbill, calculated
to effect, if polfible, by more lenient means, the Cup-
preffion of thofe crimes, which, without this fufpen-
lion, mull force the Government to the niceffity of
bringing to trial, by Court Martial, perform againft
whom any well foundedfulpicions of high treafon were'
entertained ; but by detaining fuch perfons in cullody,
prevent them from engaging in treafonable machina-
tions; and perfons fo arrefted may be tried in the or-
dinary proces of the law, without any military in-
terference. Having (fated the purport and objets of
there Bills, Sir, I will,nuw (portly advert to the hands
in which the adminifiration of them will be vetted,
and in which I have no doubt, Sir, the Hook will be
convinced there is no danger, in fuck bands, of thofe
powers being abufed. Fufi, my Lord Hardwick,,
who has beets two years in the Chief Government of
that Country, (and I have the fatisfaitien to nate,
that during the whole of that period, not a breath isf
murmur has ever been direaed againft any part of
his conduit): He took the reins of Government in
Ireland at the time of the fignature of the Prelimi-
nary Treaty with France, and though he was co
Randy prefed to exercife the authority the Aft ot
Parliament then in force gave him, of fobllituting
military for civil law, yet he paifitively rejeeed fuel'
proceedings, end reftored in all cafes the ordinary
procefs.of the civil law. He felt. in fait, that no
neceffity exifted for fuperfeding the civil by the mi-
litary-code, and therefore be reflored to the people
the benefit of the for Mer. When it is coafidered. Sir,
that Lord Hardwicke is affifted in all councils by the
4oryke of that amiable Nobleman and poly great cha-
rafter who fo lung adorned that chair in which ypn
fit, Sit, and who now fucceeds another noble and il-
luftrious Nobleman in the Chancery feat of Ireland, I
trod, Sir, it wilt not be denied that in fuch hands;
the powers to be vetted by thofs Bills may be rarely
entrulted. Sir. I have heard araage drierioes this
day advanced by Hon. and Right Hon. Gentlemen
on the other.fide of the-Houle, and athonglt others,
it has been raid, that the prefent is a cafe which calls
for delay and enquiry; but, Sir, if ever there reaps
cafe which calletlfor promptitude and unanimity lo
this Houfe, it is the ineafure of this day. What. flir,
hall we be told that when rebellion has altuallybrokell
out, and every moment is pregnant with the mot
dreadful and alarming confequenc,s, that we are to,
befitate for tedious enquiry and protratted dirculfies,
before we arm the Goveinment with 'Relive
for its fupprelE. al When the Right Hon. (Scewatellesi
man (Mr. Windham) was a Member of his Ma'a
ty's Government, his memory will inform him. that
a Bill for Sufpending the Habeas Corpus Aa paled
through both Houfes in a tingle day. There have
been many other inflanoes of Bills equally urgent
in their nature having paled with Smiler expedi-
tion; and jf the prefent meafure be at all fit for
adoption, it is fit to be adopted without a mo-
ment's delay. Thofe who ifued the Proclamation
which had been this day read, though furrounded
with danger, were fully polled of fortitude and
reflation, and certainly would not have defcribed
thofe circemtlances as a treafonable infurredion,
which ought not to bear that conftrueion ; and
though his Majelly's Minifiers do not think it prudent
at this moment to diktats all the particulars, yet in a
very few days the Hoofs will be fully convinced of the
necet&y for thole meafures. As to the worthy and
amiable Nobleman. who on this melancholy °mafiosi
has fallen the 'idiot of ferocious and inforroftionary
fury, his eulogy is bell infcribed upon the hearth and
in the memory of all thole refpeeed char mien in both
kingdoms to whom be was known, and who were the
wheelies andimbnirersof his public and private worth.
I moot fit down SW, without marking my 'operation

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and refpea lot the tondo& of the Honour lie Mouth( r
ovpofite to me this day (Mr. Sberidan)—aiutinguith d
as it is now, and has been upon all .)ccidion. of pob-
lic danger, by the moll ardent zeal for his King and
Country. Though I have often diffe•ed from him
upon political opinions, yet, I have always fee°, with
admiration and refpee, his readinefs upon all occa-
fions to facrifice, at the,thrine of public feeling, all
confiderations of private friendkp and party attach-
ment. Well do I remember, Sir, his manly and
eloquent appeal to this Houfe at the ever memorable.
and regretted period of the Mutiny at the No.e.-
1" If the veffcl be in danger, let the crew run to the
' pumps ; firti let us lave the (hip firm finking, ind
when the danger is over, call the Captain to account."
Sir, that Hon. Gentleman by loch condo& hag im-
mortalized his charaCter, and will have his heft re-
ward on the hiftoric page of his country ; and I with
thofe who have this night attempted to calumniate
his conduct, would give the public the advantage of
following his example. He concluded by moving
for leave to bring in the Bill.
Mr. ,Winniiare Paid, that all the authority the
Houfe 'bad for complying with the prefent Motion
was the decliration of his Majefly's Mini tiers; which.
however well informed they might be on the fubjeS,
was not fufficicnt to warrant that Houfe in entertain-
ing, certainly, a pretty liming meafure. He concluded
by obfkrving. that the prefent teemed to be a day let
apart in that Houfe for eulogies—like certain days
appointed in Colleges for the purpofe of uttering ora-
tions in praife of the founders ; and he congratulated
the Hon. Member upon the eulogium jolt beßowed
upon him by the Right Hon. Gcntleman, and wifhed
him joy of the compliment.
Mr. SHERIDAN laid, he was not infenfible of the
eulogium of which the Right Hon. GcntletriAtl (Mr.
Windham) reminded him, but was highly flattered br
it. The Right Hon. Gentleman, on a former occa-
fion, had Paid fomething of his (Mr. Sheridan's) (peak.
ing at one fide of the Houle : the Right Hon. Gen.
demon, however, had, he believed, himfelf been upon
all fides of the Houfe. Fiat, he fat on the Bench near
him, then crolled the Houle and fat as long as he
would be allowed upon the Treafury Bench ; then,
by a diagonal movement, he croffed the Houfe to
the Bench where be now fat, and where he was
pretty likely to continue. (Load 'laughter) —The Right
Hon. Gentleman (continued Mr. Sheridan) has
talked of eulogies, but he cannot charge me with
being much in the habit of complimenting Miniiters,
not even hiinfelf or his colleagues in office; neither
can he charge me with calling the prefent Miniftersist
opprobrious names—fuch asPhy Dow/at. and after-
wards Wrapping myfelf in a Oda of that Dowlas. On
whatever fide of the argument I may have fpokcn in
this Houfe, I deft, and challenge the Right Hon.
Gentleman, and thofe with whom he ails, to point
out in my political life a fingle inn of Incottfillency....
I never deferred i private friend. a political connee.
don, or fentiment ; nor did I ever regret a vote I
gave in this Houfe but one, and that was for the in-
aemnity of the Right Hon. Gentleman and his col-
leagues in office. If in the line of coodaa which be
bad now felt it his duty to pisrfue, be had the misfor.
tune in tome degree to differ from a Frieild of his now
*Vent (Mr. Fox). he could allure the Right Hon.
Gindeman and the Houfe that he did fa with the
fincerea regret ; and if it was any finisfaiition to the
Right Hon. Gentleman to know this, he was welcome
to all the confolation which it was calculated to iklbxd. ,
It is certain that I have, on many Ore alio*
my rupport to his MajellespreGint MinidereeCiat
was becaufe 1 tbooght they JAW like Mundt Mmenimi
the bell of their opinions and abifalee. for the riot
of their country. So long as they continue to unions'
they (ball have my feeble fupport, to the bells Ow
power ; but it mall be perfeely indepeederie.aidpen.
finny difinterefted : and equaUy regerdlefs of fennel
or praife from the Right Hon. Gentleman, or his
Colleagues in or out of office, I (hall continue to ea
as I always have done, with the bell of my
•my King and my country ; that country which I
Wien., from the bottom of my foul, commas whhitt.
it, the bell, the Worthieft, and the bappielt continitaity
' on the face of this global
Mr. HAWTHORN, delivenml a traliitigrit OS
the conduit of the Irills Goverment. it r modules
bad been uniformly conciliatory aqd moderete.i...
They had produced the beg effeiits on the minds of a
great proportion of the people, and he trailed that
die meafures now propofed, would, in their hind:, bi
fisiedily the means of reaming complete tranquillity.
Mr. Cana delivered fentiments to. the fame effect
He was fure that the difpofition of the middling
dates had been materially improved by the mildnefs
sad conciliatory conduit bf the prefect Minitlere.:—.
He gait his hearty approbation to the Ineafum now
propofed.
Mr. H. Swerve fupported the mesterei on AO
ground of imperious neceflity. He expreffed bimfelf
in very Rrong terms of Indignation agaiqfk the atro.
tidos aft which had led to their being propofed by
//boiler!.
Mr. Hurentition fpoke at tome length In erOntia.
doe of his former fpeech. He gave his fupportto the
meafnre as indifpenfibly neceffary to the lafety.of Ire.
land. He recommended, however, its lenient. appli.
cation, mid wok occafion to advert to enentoltiesehich
attended its curdle during the late rebellion. He de-
precated pathetically the reture of fuels odious Renee.
LoidCASTLeallACllliliortlyrecopitulatedthegrounde
of the 'mature, and 'fared the Hon. Gentleman who
(poke lag, that it was the flied determination of Gb•
imminent to render its application as little oppreffive
as poffible. He even went fo far as to 'Lyra& aeon-
fident expeiftation that is application might be alto-
aether unnecefary. The promptitude and watt
ifplayed this night would have a "It powerful
Rococo in difcouragiog rebellion. .
Dr.Lawaares fupported the meallne. aenbeiwit
riling oat of the atrocious ad which ItJ to digit pis.
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I fent deliberation. _ _

Colonel Casa's:tam Iltemeded, and was ptoeeesling
to enter on force military details, when he wat
to order.
Alter • Bost converfation bowels the Speaker,
Mr. Windham, Mr. Braises and Dr. Lawrence, the
bolinefs was fettled by the Hon. asJ Gallant °Geer
giving notice of a ammo salmis* to the defame d
the reidm, for Monday.
The quellion was thee pat and !greed to law. am
The Sal was foss deer kossist • and read a lirti
"WI ins:
itt &wig valved iles r Iketotedetee as
the Bill, . Erma emr•

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