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to -elpress his total dissent froth •1 e asure of taxa.
elm', which was now before the'llftiose. Ministers,
inevethe distressed and impos state of the
country, whatever they Might-letiehnd to the co*
trary. It was rumoured, he believed more than rn:
moored, that they were in possession of information,
relative to wild and crude seheniet of redress, not
emanating from the people, but devised by Insidious
instigators ! How could such incendiaries hope to
find victims to their arts, if the people were not goaded
almost to despair by the miseries which were inflicted
on them? « The last feather," it was said, “ was
that which broke the horse's back!" Perhaps the bur-
dens now about to be imposed could not be borne
by the people. It would be well, therefore, for Mi-
ethics's to considet, whether, for the sake of a specu-
lative financial benefit, they would determine to put.-
sue a system which would probably be accompanied
by military execution and sanguinary punishments ;
which would perhaps occasion the blood of their fel-
low-citizens to be shed, and must cause grist And
eerionsiescroachmetus on the Constitution, if it did
not end in its tots t destruction!
Mr. C. LONG said, the statement of the Noble
(Ebringten), with respect to the expense incurred in
the collection of the revenue, was not correct. The
account to which he had referred was very incorrectly
made out. Erroneous comparisons had been made
with former years, which could not stand the test of
examination. When the regular acccounts were
brought before the House, they would prove that a
very considerable saving had, in fact, been made in
the collection of the revenue generally.
Lord EBRINGTON said that ninety-three new ap-
pointments had been made, at an expense of 12,0001.
a-year.—The House then divided—when there ap-
peared—For the original motion 134:-Agaiust it 65.
—titajority•69.
The Bill was then read the third time and passed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro-
posed a clause to be added to the Bill, by way of
rider, which provided that any brewer who should'
cOnoeal or carry away any wort or wash, for the pur-
pbse of avoiding the enactments of this Bill, should
be subjected to a penalty of £5 00.—Agreed to.
Mr. CALVERT said, he rose to propose a clause
to exempt certain persons from the operation of this
Bill, who were very peculiarly circumstanced. He
alluded to individuals who had heeped malt on their
floors, during the very hot weathef, which had, in
consequence, becbme putrid, and was, consequently,,
very much deteriorated in value. He had a speci- '
men of it in his pocket—(A lastri)_which would
enable Gentlemen to convince themselves of the truth j
of what be asserted.—(Hire the Honourable Member!
pulled out a small specimen bag, which occasioned con-
siderable laughter.)—Doubtless this was very ludi-
crous to those who were not concerned—but the per:
sous'whose malt had grown putrid, and who found
it an unsaleable article, had no great reason to join
in the merriment. The , specimen he had produced
was part of ,250 quarters of malt,' which had been
offered to him at 355. per quarter under the price of
good malt. This malt would be subject to the high
duty now about to be laid on the stock in hand, un-
less some exemption was made in favour of those
whoa possessed it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
jected to a general regulation, but thought that in
cases of particular hardships, in which fair grounds
Could be made for an application for relief, it might
be extended, either by a mitigation or a remission of]
the duty.
Mr. C. CALVERT, after receiving such an as-
surance, should not press his clause. He then pro-
posed another in favour of strong beer exported to
India, and which was brewed from more than two
bushels of malt to the barrel.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
pressed a doubt whether beer, produced from less
than two bushels of malt per barrel, could be inten-
ded for exportation to the East Indies. Such beer
would not have body sufficient to keep during so
long a voyage : it would be little else than small
beer—(A laugh).
Mr. CALVERT said, Gentlemen seemed to laugh
at his expense, but he would turn it against the Right
Hon... Gentleman, and prove that he was a better
brewer than the Chancellor of the Exchequer—(A
laugh). It „was not the malt that preserved the beer;
on the contrary, it was the oleaginous and saccharine
qualities of the malt that decayed it. The bitter
spirit of the hop, and that alone, preserved the beir.
The preservation of the liquor by no means depended
on the quantity of malt used in its formation..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER(
the argument of the Honourable Gentleman went to,
this, that small beer was stronger than strong beer
(Much laughter).
Mr. CALVERT said, small beer would keep quits'
as-long as strong beer. It depended on the propor—j
tion of hops used, with reference to the quantity or
malt, and net on the quantity of malt •alone.—The
clause was then nertived without a division. •
Mr. CALVERI then. moved, " Tbat in the clause
bsuposing a duty on the stock in hand, the sum of
6d. be Insetted instead of Is. 2d. per bushel."
On this Amendment the House divided. The num-
bers were—For the original clause, 134—For the
Amendment, 444. Majority, 90..
SAME 4A1113 PAYNSNTS SILL.
Mr. PEEL Gilled the attention of the House to an
made : '-nk Cash Payments pill
House. - Bill went to the
moved by an Ho-
which was to give
option of paying
of the realm.
the Lords, not
effect of the
House was this, in-
,ption of paying in
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been originally
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been treated in the Lords proved that his princi-
ple was correct, and though he could wish that the
alteration had not been made, lie would rather than
the Amendment should be agreed to, than that the
clause should be lost altogether. Of the Bill gene-
rally he would say, that be could wish that a mea-
sure of such importance to the country had been
made more simple and intelligible ; and had it been
without those parts which in his estimation were
quackeries, it would have given him a stronger as-
surance that the plan intended to be adopted would
ultimately be carried into effect.
Mr. MANNING regretted that the former Bill
had been lead a third time when he was not in the
House. The Bank he described to have always mi-
nutely attended to those regulations which it was en-
joined by the House to observe. There had been the
attnost care on their part to avoid any exceeding of
the authority given them by Parliament. The mode
in which applications were in future to be made to
the Bank for advances to the Government was not
,new. He could state it to have been usual for thirty
years, and he had traced it back to the year 16.9.
It had been repeatedly said of the Bank, that they
bad travelled out of their way when they-took upon
themselves to act on their views of the public into,
rest. He would shew that they had been repeatedly-
called to do so, as it had been their duty. In sup-
port of this assertion he read a letter addressed to
the Bank in 1701, and lest this call upon them tts
look to the interest of the public service should bey
thought too ancient to be to the point, he would re•
'fer to an application of more modern date. In 1806
lor 1807, when Lord Grenville and Lord Henry
Petty were at the head of the Administration of the
Country, a letter bad been addressed to the Bank by
the Noble Baron, in which he urged " that it would
'be a most material accommodation to.the public ser-.
vice, if the Court of Directors would advance the
sum of I.:2,000,000 on Exchequer Bills, owing to an
accidental delay that had occurred in the passing the
Land Tax and Malt Duty Bills." The only difference
to be made in favour of the applications to the Bank
'by the new Bill was this, that they were to be made
in writing, which provision he thought unnecessary,,
and that it would become the duty of a particular
officer to lay before the House the amount of Advances
required. lie had no objection to the Amendment
made it, the Lords.

Mr. I'EEL was happy to have introduced a Bill to
which so few objections had been urged. On the
Amendment of the Honourable Member being pro-
posed, he had immediately acquiesced in it, as he
considered it aa% improvement of the measure. He
thought the Amendment better as it originally stood,
but, modified as it now was, he thought it better
that it should be agreed to, than that such a provi-
sion should not be retained in the Bill at all. He was
Sorry that the other Bill had passed when the Ho-
now-able Gentleman who spoke last was' not in the
House. The third reading was not moved particu-
larly early, and it had been brought on at the time
it was read, in order to accommodate some Gentle-
men who generally-took an active part in Bank af-
fairs. The clause which made it necessary that all
applications from the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
the Bank should be made in writing, he thought a
good one, and it was the more necessary, ai a sub-
sequent clause brought the required advances under
the cognizance of Parliament. It was necessary that
Returns of the Exchequer Bills bought by the Bank,
with accounts of the other advances, should be made.
Without such a provision, where an advance of
£35,000,000 was obtained, as in 1815, it might s.
happen that the House would not receive au account
of more than nine or ten millions.
After a few further observations from Mr. J. P.
GRANT, Mr. PEA RSE, and Mr. HU4R133014, the Lords'
Amendment was agreed to.

250 boys could be educated by six or seven Profes-
'sors at Woolwich, thirty-seven Professors, a Gover-
nor, and Lieutenant-Govenior, could not be neces-
sary to educate SOO boys at Sandhurst? It was im-
possib
le to conceal the fact, that here was a most
couldextrav extravagant nbtewbaesttteeroef
educated
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the than
rnt Establishment ought to be brought down to
rpenses thrown on the country by the Colonies, and
wished to know how it happened that a charge of be-
Meiji two and three hundred thousand 'pounds ap-
peafed on account of troops employed in the East
'lndies? as troops employed there, he had ender-
Stood, were to be paid by the Company. in the Army
Extraordinaries too, he found large sums had been
received by Mr. Penn, as Agent for the Mauritius;
Sir H. Bunbury, as Agent for Malta; Mr. T. P.
.urtney, as Agent for the Cape of Good Hope;
and by Mr. Huskisson, as Agent for Ceylon (Hear:).
He did not see why the duties performed by thew)
Gentlemen might not as well be performed by those
Officers of the Treasury who paid the sums received
by therh on account of the Colonies. He hoped the
Estimates would be simplified, and that the expenses
of the Colonies would he brought as much as pos-
sible into one view, and then it would, be seen by the
House how far these exigencies were necessary. He
at present knew little of the sums they received, or
of the time they retained in their hands the monies
paid to them on account of the Colonies; and it was
a delusion to hold out that these Estimates gave that
information which the House ought to receive. He
strongly enforced the necessity of making the Gover-
nors of the Colonies understand that the expenses in li
-
curred in the possessions ever which they presided
must be paid out of the Colonial revenues. These
instructions ought to be strictly acted on which were
contained in the warrant framed by the Tieasury in
1763, and which had afterwards been sent out to
Governors of our Colonies in 1791. Instructions
more proper to be sent out, he ,was of opinion, could
not be framed. In the war, it might be difficult to
act on these; but the time was now arrived when
they ought to be enforced. In the last Army Esti-
mates which were before the House, there was a
charge for,the clothing of the cavalry of only 20691.
lie was surprised in these to find an additional cbarge
of 39,961. He wished for some esplanation on this
head. The present Estimates were much too gene-
rally framed. There were several items of cxrense
which he regarded as irregular, from their not being
classed under specific heads. If these Estimates'were
good for any thing, they ought to shew under each
head the charge created, the persons responsible for
such charges, and, where credit was necessary, the
amount to which it had been taken. Where this was not
done, the Estimates appeared a pet feet delusion, and
framed in such a way that Ministers were left to dis-
pose of the sums voted just as they pleased.
Mr. HUSK ISSON thought a considerable portion
of the observations which the Honourable Gentlemae
had made, arose from his not taking a very accurate
view of the Returns before the House. Sometimes
he had viewed them as Estimates, and sometimes as
Accounts. These, however, were not the filial Ac-
counts, nor were they in that state in which they
must pass the Auditors of Public Accounts, and the
Comptroller of the Army. The present Accounts
contained the sums drawn for by the Commissaries
abroad, who were the only persons on foreign sta-
tions that were allowed to draw Bills on the Govern-
ment. Their Accounts when they came home were
to be examined by the Auditors before they were
passed. This statenaent would explain the general
manner in which the sums were put down in the Ac-
counts now before the House. If the Honourable
Gentleman wished to see the application of the sums
thus called for in the details in the present year, or
in any year that had gone by, there would not be
the least objection, on the part of Ministers, to give
the information required, and to produce the Ac-
counts as they were passed by the Auditors. The Right
lion. Gentleman then proceeded to explain the mode in
whtCh the Agents for Colonies drew for sums on the
Treasury on the account of those Colonies. The Colo-
nial Accounts a, well as others had to pass a Board of,
Auditors, and were examined with the same strictness.
As to the money left in the Agents' hands, they might
at times have small sums in their care, but never any
thing considerable, To refute the slanderous charges
put forth elsewhere, he would state what the fact was
Doing this," said he, " I know the difficuhrof
proving a negative, and of speaking of one's self; but
it has never happened to me to derive the smallest
advantage by balance or commission, or by any other
means (except by the salary), from the situation in
which I stand as Agent for Ceylon. Stating this io
the Hous of Commons, is, I think, the best way of
contradicting the reports which have gone abroad;
and if any man can gain-say what I have advanced,
on me fall the infamy of wilful and deliberate false-
hood.!'—(Hear, hear.)—With respect to the mode of
checking expenses in the Foreign Colonies, he agreed
with the Honourable Gentleman there never was a
warrant more properly framed than that drawn up
in 1763—and which was again adopted, as the Ho..
nourable Gentleman had said, in 1791. The Hoe.
Gentlemae, however, would have done Ministers no
more than justice, had he stated this to have been
sent out immediately after the last peace. He believed
the admonition had since been repeated, and every
Governor was told at his peril to incur expense with-
out the previous approbation of the Treasury. The
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Amendment made to the Bank Cash 1
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Lords, an Amendment had been mov
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nourable Meniher, the object of whicl
the Bank from May, 1821, the opti
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their notes in geld bars, or in the can
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in principle.. b as to time. The
Amendment ma 'a the Upper House
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111011111"." . • to the Ist of May, 1822. He move 4 that the Leeds' r. HUME was sorry that overgrown Estiblish
ritent'alonfthe Excise), burdened the country with Amendment should be agreed to, men; the Military College, was not to be reduced.
an additional' sum of £lOO,OOO, and upwards. An Mr. ELLIS did not mean to object to the Amend- ,What must the Public think when they saw that
Hon. Friend of his had given notice of a motion on ment made by the Lords, but at the same time be Establishment now, in time. of peace, kept up to
the subject of the collection of the Excise, and he thou ht the course he had 'formerly recommended what it was at a time when we had four or five hun-
trusted that the House would not separate until they would have been 'preferable. He thought it would died thousand men in the field ? At the Military Col-
had gotreome mere specific' pledge: of .economy than have gi'ven the Bank an opportunity of gradually lege there were thirty-seven PrOfessors to educate 300
the vex et petcrea legit of l!dinisters. taking up their one and two-pound Bank Notes, boys, while at the'Establishment at Woolwich, which
Sir R. WILSON said, he would take even this, the which was necessary before the general Resumption had never cost the country more than £9OOO, from
last opportunity he supposed thakyould occur, again of Cash Payments. The manner in which the clause 250 to 300 boys had been educated by six or seven
tat ••:nreas his total dissent froni'leasure of taxa- had been treated in the Lords proved that his princi- Professors. Was it then too much for him to say, if
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