Star.
London, England, 1828-06-14 00:00:00

be eery differently regulated ; sad if that were so,
there would be a saving of swieral thousand men.
The elodle of -enlibtment for the .Colonies istight• also
be altered for the better; and if these combined, ins!
provernents were allowed to take place; phi rigid
be an immense Saving to the public. .It was quite evi-
E.
dent that in the present state of the House, this subject
did not meet with the attention which. it deserved'--
However, he should wish to see, the House more aliVe
id.. the matter; and to say the truth' he knew not whe-
lks* -it was through despair or noti that the people
seemed as indifferent to the subject as the House. The
truth was, that the people, in.place of cillinglor ecri
nomy and retrenchment, were. calling for the imposi-
tion of taxes on each other; and as long as this course
was continued, so long would the Government keep up
the most lavish expenditure. But it was evident that
they should reduce their essablishinents in a time
of peace, in -order to enter vigarouily into any con-'
test, if untortbnately any contest 'should becOme ne-
cessary. Thii, !sorrier, was unattended to. Et-
cessive taxation WI been unnecessarily continued, and
if it were it4l kept up, he augured froth it the most dis-
astrous results. He had every, reliance on the Duke of
Wellington ; but importuned as he must be for this; `andthat, and tlie Other situation, he must be atm* than man
if he could tuccessfully resist them.' But if Parliament
lent him its assiitance—if he set' fairly aboUt the work,
he would almost eclipse the_ glory he had already
achieved in the field against the enemierof his country.
A greater victory than any he had yet gained awaited
him; and, if he kept his eye upon the state 'of the coun-
try, and regulated.its expenditure by its rearincome; be
would do more for his country than any other man who
had ever befote the guidance of the State. The Hon.
Member concluded by moving, that our Military Es=
penditure shOuld not exceed what it amounted to in
the
.year. 1822.
Sir IItbiItrHARDINGE hoped the Hon. Member
(Colonel Davies) would not think it disrespectful if he
abstained from making any reply to his observations
until the House went tnto Committee.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN supported the Reso-
lotion: He wished to know whether it was intended to

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make'any alteration in the estimates ?' He knew they
must rely entirely on. his Majesty's Government, for
that opposition would'do no. good. There was no in-
ternal or external call for so great
.an • expenditure, and
he thought a reduction was very practicable. -•
Mr. MONCK observed, that, in, no despotic State was
there a dead weight so large as that of this country. The,
House sat there year after year, Voting the public money
into their own pockets. This was well known and ought
to be corretted.
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- Mr, HUME observed upon the absence of Honour-
able Mensbersfrons the House. He saw there none of
the representatives of the landed itiOtest,. and be criuld
only account for, their absence upon tiseground 00144
Iseere either satisfied with things as they ate; or that they
expected from the resent. GoVernMeat -aseriatirei foe a
rise of prices.in agricultural produce,"whiafsvonld
clatestbem higher rents. Neither did he see any repre.
aeutatives of the inercantile,or manufacturing interests;
so that he must suppose them to be quite cornfortabli,
and-that no man deified to
.throw btibisburden. But,
in.the midst of so mock plenty,-the pe.okle were suffer.
ing, He wished to know what ocCurbis there wO for
keeping up this yea; an army of 90,000 infantri?..:Be
could account for it on no other ground than thatbis bit-1
jesty's Government were fond of large similes and the
patronage they-threw into their hands s including the navy,:
o.C.Agtallery, the volunteers . the militia!' staff; the yeo-i
navy. and constabultir Ifo;ce, of Irelan4 we had ifelife
1(10,000 raten.tp arma;.lftwasslad the Government had
not precipitated the country into a war, and- as heboped
they did net mean to do so,' what use could therhasiell
for such a force as this ?* He feared, this .ciansWalas'
going on as the Noblesse of France before the Ineliklir
Revolution. • The Government of that eountri Pinned'
Sv
the same course as'e seemed to be cosirsuing.69iviit..
creasing the burden of taxation by every possible means,
waft-the people, It they went on in this wet, the re-
sult he feared must be the same. He was not, oppoeedto al
standingarmy upon principle. It might at one time haste
been contrary to the spirit of theConstitittion, but *mil*
was sure it' was an' integral and an economical Obit of
var.. Constitution. , He was always averse to dhirtles rip
theldinistt y, and bad Mr. Canning lived, the Estimates
would have been very different this year, for he knew:
rthat he hid given orders for the reduction of the Esti-
mates to the extent of one million and' a half., The
'Onossient he was gone. however, his plans were changed,
and reduction no longer thought of. But he might
fs• well speak to the winds, as to .that House.. Hon.-
tiireabers 'were unaccountably absent; out of the.
Hedge ober held quite a different opinion ; but within
'11;h41( iialls".thekr sentiments exactly squared with those
,i*.theliCuiatir. Out, of doors he did not meet with
rode: obis 'was. pat of (minion that tome reduction Was
Inecessarj7.44:oo, could' not be paid- without some
isa(stauctoinil ip on,_ No 'Ministry, be was sure, could
stand'nnliss they reduced the expenditure of the coun-
'tty., The Gallaat.Meaiber opposite.. the Secretary at
%RAVE. H. Nardinge), heboped,wmild effect the same
redactions in the" Army, which he had
,effected in the
QtAleance. %Ile gave him great credit for what he did
there, Abe did do half enough--.(.A. laugh). He

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was quite sure that the, three establishments might
tedacesl from sixteen, millions is twelve, allowing five
millionsfor the dead weight: Odle military Gentlemen
io civil officx.would, best divest themselves of the idea of
WOirlook And_ the Navy the same of the Ist of Jube,
apsi. not ;thiaik:the pleat on of. the Ountry ,depended
upon h4ving the, services in a limn it for immediate]
anion, 11 won't' on well; *lf this were not done
'the poi of Wellington would URN bait*, complaints
..tespetiog in the ,great, interests of the country ; and
if 4e.aeted in a contraty,maAuer, his cunsolition at the
:prosPetity of the couotd, would be great indeed. In this°
cott9try, white ,s9,much.trtoney was ocollected in the;
OAP, 0 loctigett tun, the kbilksulitli who worked with
his banmes all day long paid. as much in taxes its
'Opp Lordlcif the land. If the Noble" Duke at the head of
theGrcequstant chosc icy pursue a system of economy, he
might do move to distinguish his name as a benefactor to
his country than all his military achievements, splendid
as. they were. We should remove, tuition, reduce our
military establishment, and until then we never could
make any progress in improvement, wherefore he should
steeppott the motion of his Hon. Friend. The. Hon.
Gentleman conchided by saying, that the Honsi could..
not be of a different opinion ; and after asking pardon
for having trespassed so long; said he would not' go
into all the details, which would occupy too much time.
lam. W. SMITH fully co:sculled in the absolute ne-
cessity of very large reductions in the public expenditure.
He did not, however, believe that a continuance in the
present. CbtirsO•Of things would lead to a revolution in
this count''', although he believed that something like
a stational )zankruptcy inustAsSue from it. He thought,
the COOSittlitiOP might survive the shock, but that
seanetking of that kind must follow if the present
.ex•
peedit,wolirete kept up, although not, in his time, he
In' . frl APILOwe waildeds
As thin put sad negatived without a division