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gerons course of exper4sems were being tried. At one
time Government Imd made anything do for a Minister;
they now found that they could do without anythia
at all fir a Minister, and they might go on and find
that they could do without something else. He had
now another question to put to the Noble Lords oppo-
site. There had been very alarming reports of a great
falling off in. the revenue—a falling ff to the amount
of nearly 500,0001. 400,0001. of wkich wrs deficient is
the Excise. Now, as the Excise, when productive, was
held np as a test of the prosperity of the country,
he wished to know, whether, when the Excise fell
off, it was to be taken as a test of the adversity
and declining state of-the country Would his blijesti's
Government give the House any hopes of the restoration
of the public credit of the conotry, and the reruns of
the mecum to its feeeneu ptoepetity ? He wished to
'know too, whether, with the revenue falling Wire it
'it, the Ministers were determined to persist in the
profuse expenditine of the country on the scale which
had been laid down and meant to- be acted upon when
the revenue was prosperous? whether palaces were to
be gone on with, and finished in the seine exte!sive
scale as before ? In all well-regulated Monarchies, if
the office of superintendent of pleasures (like the tate
of usenet Adel's in Freese under Louis %W.) was
vacant, not a half hour was lost, bet the blank was filled
up. If one palace was to be pulled down, and two to
be bit& np, a superintendent was soon installed, having
all the talents necessary for profuse expenditure. But
when the first Minister of State* the superintendent
genies'of the country, was wanting, the matter Was 'a-
llowed to go on for five, six, and seven weeks; in fact,
it was put off sine die; and when the intriguers were
tired out and wasted in effecting their object of giving
the country a Government good for nothing, the people
might then expect to have a Government good for some-
thing. In order to make his question, sie Rhquld now
move that the account of the last quartM of the revenue,
compared with the corresponding quarter in last year,
be laid upoti the table.—Agreed to. 's
Lore REDESDA LB presented a Petition from the Lied-
owners of Tindal Ward, he the county of Northumberland, against
any altered= in the Corn Laws.—Laid on the table.
earnosess.
The Bishops of DURHAM and LLAN DAFT, pretented Peet.
'ons From tin Clergy of various Deanrist in the counties of Smith-
ampton and Glamorgan, against the Catholic Claims,—Laid on
the table.
CLTFDEN presented Petitions from the Catholics of
the parishes of Kiinemel and Aughrim, in favour of Emancipation.
—lle stated that it was signed by Lords Fingal, Gormanatowa,
Ffrencit, Killeen' Sullen, their eldest sous, and a great number of
most respectable Gentlemen, representing avast bulk of.private pro-
perty. The present year and the next mien pat without patting
as end I. that important question, but the rusk road be, that
Ireland woiald cattalo two hostile nano* violin her.tichig every
thing dart of an appeal to arms, whirls they would be too wise to
venture upon, to vex and injure each other. This would be de.
but he regretted to say, inevitable; and as to converting the
whole Irish tuition, people might rave about it, but the Dodos was
absurd. Some individuals might indeed have been made bad Ca.
tholics,but they would not become good Preeminent. They Ede*
at best grow • kind of liberal Deists, without any pectin/sr faith.
—The Petition was read and laid oo the table. •
amass INGSZINtIL
The Marquis of LANSDOWN, is mereing the second reading
of the Legal Distresses Bill, which had come up from the Com-
mons, said that some years ago an Act had been paned to limit the
anent of the fees which Woken were to receive whets diagnosieg
for rent, .bat leaving out those which might be laid for the reco-
very of church and poor's rates. The consequence was that brokers,
before distressing for rent, amertaned whether the blitividual owed
any church or poor's rates? and if he did, by joining 'the tate tole-
nee, they procured the most unreasonable fees. Oue temple of
this kind would suface,though be had numerous others to describe
if he thought proper. The sum to be recovered grassed", three and
,sixpence, and the charges, in all. amounted to 11. tar. The peen=
Bill was to limit the fees of Brokers when recovering church or
poor'. rates as wail ae tent. . .
After a few words from Lord Raomente the Bill was read a
snood time, end ordered to be committed Lamm row.
INOTCN ,wars.
Lord BELHAVEN had intended to propose a measure for
placing the Peerage of Scotland on the same footing as that of Ire-
land, and to let the eldest sons of Peers tit for counties and boroughs
in Scotland. He did not think. however, that the subject had yet
sodergone sulicient inquiry, and should not probably bring it before
the Housed/1 next Session.
name ones.
On the third reading of the Spring Guns Abolition BiU,
Lo dELLBNBOHOUGH renewed his opposition. to the mea-
sure, which he thought calculated to increase crime, sod to tender
the state of law still more uncertain than before.
Lord SUFFlELDaupported the 13111.
Lord ELLBNBOROUGH expressed his Intention of dividing
theillouse against the third readingorveo if he should be alone.
The House then divided on the question of the third reading.
Contents - 48
Not Contests - is
Majority for the third reading - —9
norm[ LAN&

selapsiske*, ghastlier t Wirtiivl ee cirri privately to prbts
. i- ;re
them; or to make them btliere that the refugees entered
in places where there were no troops of the line. This
I will be evident from the 1 'flowing dispatch lately sent
by General Monet. commandant of the frontier line to
General Mello. on the latter demanding that the fugi-
tires should be disarmed and the arms to be surrender-
ed to him:

" In compliance with the olden which hive been communicated
'tome on the part of our Sovereign, whom Goo preserve, the Por-
tuguese divisions who Dave emigrated to this territory, have been
disarmed: The urns of the whole are on the frontiers, with this
difference, however, that those belonging td the divide*, of Ma-
Owl and Monte-Alegre, andcif the cavalry, have been left in the
Portuguese territory, and I bait been informed that the Magistrates
of Abellainsci is coltectine them. Those which belonged to the,
division of Tenn Jordao, are on the Spanish territory, because that
division cam* in here by the open ground, near the village of Santa
Antis,

and es yet no Spanish - Authority hat titan possersisa of,
them, for it is not possible that I should consent to their being rakes
'horii the soldiers without orders from superior authority.
• * The bones are with the troops, became if they had been shoa-
-1 doped on the frontiers they would have been ill-used and dispersed,
some going into Spain, and others Into Portugal, and because I had
no instructions what to do with them.

• ." ' • • N glinted by Major-General 3101511 T,
At Akanlces, on the loth Mardi."
From the context of this dispatch, it appears that the
'uch talked of disarming of our refugees in Alcanices
is a mere delusion, for the very dispatch states that all
'the cavalry (that is, more than 500) who accompanied
the Marquis of Chaves and Monte-Alegre and Magessi,
had not been disarmed ; and it is plain that they are yet
near the Portuguese territory. The dispatch also states,
that Telles Jordao had not been disarmed on entering
Spain. It theiefote on the whole results that the dis-
arming has not exceeded' that of a hundred infantry.
and that the affair was conducted in the same manner
as it was lately done in Guardia and Tui—that is. they
left their arms in some private house, where they could
take them up again as the occasion suited.
The publication of these facts seem to us proper, in
order to instruct the public and the Government, and to
put us all on our guard. We ought not to confide the
defence of the kingdom solely to our allies—we our-
selves are bound to use our efforts and valour, and to
take the Most efficient measures for that purpose.
We might to recollect what is said by foreign jour-
nals, that the passions of the Apostolic. are stronger
than all political considerations. The Spanish Ministry
is a little Mentor of the Chamber (Consarilla), as the
French Ministry is of the Congregation. This ought
always to be before our minds, and we ought to distrust
the apparent symptoms of fraternity offered by the
Spanish Government, as Spain dues not possess political
iastitutioas similar to ours.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF Loßifs, An 9:

Mr. Tome" from the Treasury, presented an Account of the
Quantity of Cern imported into this country, during the present
year, from Rusda, Proseis,and Hamburgh.—Lald on the table.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM presented a Petition from
Cheados Leigh, Bp• of Steveley Abbey, in the county of Warwick.
complaining that George Leigh, the claimant of the Leigh Peerage,
had made statements injurious to the Ectitioner and several other
respectable persons, and praying that be might be made to prose-
cute his claims, and that the Petitioner might be allowed to
examine whams, at their. Lordships bar.

After a few words from Lords Itrocsauta and Bowan the Pe-
tition was read; and, on the motion of the Duke at 1111CUSIUMAM,
ordered to be taken into consideratiOn to-morrow.

The Marquis of CONYN HA M- presented Petitions front the
Catholics of several Parishes In the County of Donegal, praying for
Emancipation.—Laid on the lAA,.

THE MINISTRY.

The House having gone into a Committee on the Game Laws
Bill.
The Marquis of HERTFORD proposed an Amends ent. to
prevent all individual., except the owners ot the property adjacent,
to shoot game on the public roads.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE expressed his intention of preparing a
clause to meet the views of the Noble Mazquis. Reuben proposed
' that in cues in which land was let for 99 years, the lessee should be
entitled to the pt lettere, of shooting and killing of game as well as
the original proprietor.
After a few observations, however, from Lord RIDISDA/Z, the
Marquis of Sutuuur, and the Duke of AMMON/JO, the Noble
Lord withdrew kis clause for the present.
On the 9th clause daring the punishment for trespasses,'
Lied BLLENBOROUGH wished that the punishment should
be personal, not pecuniary.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM mentioned a case wined§ a
boy In Wiltshire bad been prosecited by a tehoulmasur for meal.
ing a tame rabbit. He was acquitted by the Jury, and the ached.
master was reproved by the Court; but if the pram* dame
pawed, every buy would be exposed to some penalty.
After some conversation between Lord Weasiscsamrs, the Mu
quis of Loup° , the Bald Casmaavon, and Lord Gang,

Lord ICING, seeing that there were present in the
House half a dozen of his Majesty's Ministers, such as
they were, would take the liberty of asking them one
or two questions. He should not ask them one ques-
tion respecting the state of Ireland, or inquitrof them
whether it was true that the people of that country
were starving ? because he believed they did not know
or care any thing about the matter; besides, there
were many other things nearer home that concerned
them. He should not, likewise, ask them whether
England was prosperous, as that was not in the depart.
ment of the Noble Lords opposite? fot he was aware
that one-half of the Cabinet rejoiced greatly at the fai •
lure of the plans of the other half. He had, however, a
few questions to ask the Ministers present, and, like a
skilful politician, he should begin by asking the
question he least cared about, which was, when was it
likely that the unsettled state of affairs, the inlertepuise
in the Cabinet, which had been going on for sometime,
would have an end ? He would a-k the Noble Lords
opposite, whether his Majesty's Ministers, such as they
are, had chosen a Prime Minister, and consented to re-
ceive a master, or whether they thought that a Primo
Minister was important at all ? Of all animals in the
world, he conceived a Prime Minister was the least ne•
cessary ; and he had the opinion of the highest autho•
riff for stating that the country would do perfectly well
without one. In the year 1800 an experiment had been,
tried to ascertain of what sort of thing a Prime Minister
might be made,and it was discovered that a'Jack Boots
would do fee a Prime Minister. That experiment was

Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved, that offenders, on
Meilen, be Kid to the Howie of Correction, he,. to be hopri-
toned and sent to hard labour for a time not euereding tee days
for each bud of same.—Negatived.
The Marquis of lAM.OUNDBRRY. on mecum of the thin
state Oche House, and tile importasee of the subject, snowed that
the House do mime, and that the Chairman report proems.
Lord ILLENBoROuou thought that their Lordships Mould
set do their duty if they did net go through the Bill, became they
felt the want of their dimmers.
Lord DB LA WARR supported the ,postprerneat.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY.Was desirous of opposing
the Bibby every means in his power. and should persevere In pis
motile, the more so, as there was not even one of his . Majesty
Miolitera is the House.
Lord BLLBN BOROUGH M. that it was the Ins intimation
be had tlctivar that the Melt *4 ?Aimed Earl (the Lord Chen-

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