Star.
London, England, 1817-02-08 00:00:00

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afoot ides of the House. tie wished the *tat-
too to be viewed not us one of Parliatisentart con-
test, btu as one in which all parties should unite to
ascertain the best means of serving the public inte-
rest. Ht W4b so convinced of the importance of
onion, that t!ie two sides of the House sheold have
G., differs ce, if it were possible, f any concession
ills pat t, to prevent it. He should not, therefore,
on the appointutent of a Committee by ballot,
it hat mode we.. ';ely to lead to an unnecessary,
0..4 at this mon.:nt, an inexpedient division of seen-
talents. Before submitting his motion to the i louse,
and reading the list of names of the persons whom
be should propcae as Members of 'the Committee, he
shou!d . lain the tr,,de in which he thought, that
car:. • should be composed. It was the opinion
f many that it should only contain persons nocon-
netted with either side of the House. But he must
tan, mat he should feel embarrassed to find 21
Members who had not some partiality for either side I
lie knew there were some that would ict with the
host e‘itnplere impartiality ; but he had not observed
oat ti,the specimens were very numerous, or treated
with any peculiar respect by the Gentlemen opposite.
,year, hcar, and lanslsier)—There was, in tact, no
ciao id men more reprobated than those who at-
tempt-A to set up an independent opinion on any sub-
bear).—He, therefore, candidly pro-
fessed to discard that visionary project of a Com-
mittee ent.rtly composed out of that pure and rare
tact of mortals.—(Hear, hear, INsd larghter).—Al-
though he was not disposed to share with the Ho-
storable Gentlemen their indisposition towards that
particular class of men, he went with them to a cer.
pin extent.—(!Lear, hear).—He did net believe that
public affairs would be better managed, if no party
whatever existed in the House. It was, on the con-
trary, to that happy conflict of parties, overruled by
the Constitution, and kept down by a principle of
duty, that the wisdom of National Councils, and the
porky of the Country were due. It was on this
principle that he wished to appoint a Committee to
sift every subject of inquiry to the bottom. He was
convinced that until the public mind of the country
should be satisfied, and by the public mind he did not
mean that violence which talked of reform and brought
revolution, but the sober sense of the people of Eng-
land—he was convinced that until that sober sense was
satisfied that every subject had been duly inveatigated,
and every proper measure adopted, the country would
not be sn ready to come forwatd in support of its
Governmt in, through the difficulties of the times. He
did not wish to exclude office from the Committee.--
lc be wrong that it should preponderate so far
as to have an une.air influence over the votes of the
Members; but as well might a Judge on the Bench
decide without Counsel on a case of law, as a Coon-

try Gentleman he able to understand the important
points to be elucidated, without persons in official
siluatieins to furnish him with the necessary informa-
tion. He had attempted to compose his Combinee
within certain limits, of the best and most experienced
talents in 'the House, and of a part of those wl.o were
unconnected with isflicei and would probably mai°
so, eves should time be no changed Govetument.
But he trusted the House would not rest satisfied
with the operation: of the Committee, and.abdicate
its rights so far, as not to pursue the infinity, after
they should have made their mutts. The ihttlf of
the Com: titer: would, in fact, to itTi gl subjects,
and to prepare them for the notice and the discussion
of the House. But it was not to twenty-one Gentle-
men alone, that the settles/mut of SUMS en important
should be resigned. It was ,on theme grounds Ite
"meld found the proposition which he bad to Make
to the House. And he hoped both sides would
thew an equal disposition, not to obtain triumphs
over each other,. but to fulfil their duty. and render
their best exertions fbr the advantage of their coun-
try. The objects which be should wish to sefer to'
the Committee, would be the charge and the capon-
dibue for the last year, for the present and for the
am This inquiry should not be confined within
the compass of the present Session. It might emend
to the next and to another, until the House. had
honestly brought the country to a peace establish-
ment, rounded on gradual reductions.—(Hear. limn)
For the present, he thought it proper not to embrace
a wider field than the three years which be had men-
toned. It would always be open to any Gentleman
co the Committee, to raise a question beyond the b-
wits now set to the investigation. He then moved,
"That a Select Committee be, appointed to imoire
into the charges and expenditure of the year ending
on the sth of January, 1817 ; and also to state the•
probable charges and expenditure, so far as they
may be at present estimated, of the years 1841 and
1819, and to report the same, with their observations
thereupon; and also to report what offices might be
abolished, and -.bat salaries diminished, without any
detriment to the public service." He then proposs4
that the Committee should consist of the fall wing
Members
Tbe Claw:sass sir the Zed*. Mr. Pesuldued
spier Mr. tinsidesen
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lir. Pu, sonby Mr. Calesee
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Mr. b.n.kes Mr. Carmel&
Mr. C. Loos • Mr. Devise Giddy
Mr. Toomey Mr. fiellerd
bad Binning Mt. Edward Littleton
Pa,. Sir J. Newman LersiVilve
Yttl Mr. Geed
Mr. C. IV. Wynne sit ThooseAdeed
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Mr. Arbuthnot Lord Casuessess.
Mr. TIERNEY began by awning, that the
Naile Lord had made a rather flattering statement
of the expenditure, but bad entirely overlooked the
means by which it was to be met. However. be had,
eapremed a wish to have the subject probed to the
bottom, and be was heartily glad to bear it. He bad
on a former °cession stated. that 145,400.000 was
all that could be raised last year, and now, if the
whole of the Sinking Fund were kea, thane would
still be a deficienci to a considerable amount. True
it was, that there was no difference in figures between
himself and the licole Lord, though their multi
were different ; but he (Mr. Tierney) t ••ik the Gal-,
eery means. and the Noble Lord might :poking to
extraordinary uses when be wko 01 the ability of
the country to meet the demands upon it. He look
the taxes as they were now levied, and to be colleeted
as they were now ; and if the Noble Lord looked to
nothing further, he was surprised how the difference
Could atlas between them. Irith suspect to dM Slap.
lug Fund, be was. one of those who thought it thenitt
remain untouched. He should be the last man in rho
Howe to sanction any measure which aback* *
sttoy its ; the faith of the cousin was