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their title or right, to Elea, or be Elated, or fhall
not have fo entered into recognitances within
the time prescribed, then upon the Speaker's re-!
porting the fame to the Hoofis. loch Petition (hail
not be proceeded upon, hut the Order, if any, for
taking the fame into conlideration, (hall be dif-
charged. It was impoffible to exprefs the meaning
and purple of an Aft of Parliament in words more
clear, pofitiie, or mandatory. No room whatever
was left to the Houle for exercifing any difctetion,
beyond the mere enquiry, whether the fubferibin.4
petitioners had or had not ftrialy complied with
the injunflious fo clearly exotelied ? and, in cafe
of non-compliance, the Houl, had no alternative
but to rile& the Petition. Gentlemen had talkeo
much of precedents, and (hated, that this Houle had
aged fur fixteen years without taking fimilar excep-
tions ; but he contended, that no length of continu-
ance in ignorance, error, and inadvertency, was an
argument to juflify a pertinence in that error, after it
was once difcovered, much lets could it warrant the
wanton and flagitious violation of a poG;ive of
Parliament, by which the Houle in its witchon had
bound kali to one rigid and fpecific line of afiing,
and forfeited all claims whatever to exercile any If-
cretion upon the point, contrary to the exprefs let-,
ter, and clearly obvious intention of the aft. This, was
a cafe not to be confid.red merely as the cafe of an
individual ; nor had the Houfe any thing to do with
the confideration of what inconvenience the indivh
dual might coffer in consequence of hit own infor-
mality, in not conforming to the clear and pofitive
injuoaions of the very Aft of Parliament under
which be profelfed to leek redrefs. But having fo
neglected to comply with the neceffary forme, it was
out of the power of that Houk to give him any re-
dref.. If the Hoof,: felt there wis any thing berth
or abrupt in rejefling the petition by the mode pro-
poled in the motion of his Honourable Friend, ano-
ther perhaps lefs °Nation-able might be foggefted, to
which he doubted not his Honourable Friend would
have no objeftion to accede, in preference to his pre-
fent motion ; the mode he, Mr. Sheridan, would
recommend, was by three i•folutions ; the fir& fpe-
cifying the forms required by the Ael of Parliament;
the fecond, that the petition now before the Hoofe
was deficient of compliance with thofe forms; and
the third, refolving„ for thole reafons, that the peti-
tion he rejefted. He trutied his Honourable Friend
would agree with him in adopting thofe rthlutions
fur his motion, in place of that now before the Houfe.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Paid a few words in explanation.
Sir WILLIAM PULTENEY laid, he agreed
with the Hon. Gentleman who fpoke lan, that that
would be the fair way of ftating the queltion, and if,
it were fo put, he Iltould have no difficulty in laying, ,
that the petition did fubilantially ccmply with the
Aft, and upon that ground he Ihoulti give his vote
againft the motion. With regard to whether the
Committee had a right to &alai this point or not,
he flu-mid not enter intro that confideration at preterit,
but fhould give •his vote upon the ground he bad al-
ready hated.
Mr. FOX es preffed his furprife at the extraordinary
nature of the arguments adduced on the other fide.
He was concerned to fee fo much indifference prevail
on a queftion of fo much importance, and that Gen
tlemen had fo completely loft fight of the queftion
before them. Is was not what was juftice to this or
that party which they were called on to determine,
but, what was the duty incumbent, in fuch a cafe on
that Houk. An Hon. Relation of his (Mr. Grenville)
had Paid, that the intention of the Aft was to tame
to the Houle the rights which it pollard previous to
the (Write of the loth of the King: Whatever might
have been the intention of the Legiflature in this re.
fpea, he maintained, however, that Inch intention it
had not carried into effect. The Legiflature had there
clearly and explicitly preferibred and laid down to the
Houle, how trey were to act, and had invefled them
with no difcretionary powers whatever. Another Hon.
And Lest ned Gentleman had admitted the necetlity of
fume tlatement, limilar to that pointed out in the Aft,
being contained inthe Petition,but how didhe get quit
of this ? By laying, let it go to the Committee, and
be there decided. The Legiflature, however, had
drawn a clear line of diftinaion between the duties of
that Houle and of the Committee. To the Houle it had
Paid, " You (ball not proceed on any Petition in which
the Petitioners do not claim a right to vote at the
Elation againft which they petition." To the Corn.
mime it had laid, " You (ball decide on what (hall
be fent to you by the Houfe." The Learned Gentle-
man (Attorney General) had charaaerifed the omif-
lion as one which might be corrected (ay a chilli of the
pen. This however. was no enliven There were no
omitlions or flaws which agreater or fmaller (lath of the
pen might not on the fame principle (apply and ratify.
The Aft clearly pointed out to the Houle what mutt
he fisted to them, before they could proceed in fuch
Petitions. Had the Petitioners in the prefent cafe ufed
words to expels firth a meaning ? No. They had
not even (hated that they were aggrieved. " Oh,"
but lays an Honourable Gentleman, " if they had
not been aggrieved, upon what principle can we pre-
lime that they would have petitioned ?" The Aft.
however, declared. that let their grievances be ever
fn great, if not defcribed in a patticular war, they
were not entitled to be heard un them in that I loure
The decifion of the Carmarthen Committee had been
referred to, but as he was not acquainted with the
grounds of it, he thould not expros an opinion upon
it. He would however afk, would that Committee
have prefumed to find the petition ft ivolous and vets-
Had they done In, what would hare been the
anfwer of the Petitioners? " We never pretended to
have any right to vote at this Elation. AVe felt nor-
(elves aggrieved indeed as F.nglithmen, as Electors of
Middlefex, as Eleaors even of Carmarthen, though
not at the time of the Elation, but we base never in
our Petiti:en dated any claim to a title to vote at the
Elation petitioned againtl." This clearly would be a
fatistaaory anfwer. The Houle was unwarranted in
entertaining tr e Petition, even for a moment. It
bad been objeacd, that he had riot made his motion
in iuilicient time. lie withed he had attended t t the
• lsizeirsn at the time, and be would mod ocqueitico.
..I%:e have made it. The charge, hovseYer. equ.rily
to every other Member 14 the Houk. 11%
a gamin' of the Hon. tkritlern.ao 55 " You base
r...did your time, an," cni,not now tal..e the matter
i•st,, conlideration." Stith Lnr.trge might .1. ca-
. t•crn,:: well among patties. Ci it %etc the burirefs
I of tti basing Member to the obizatoo, this
might 114%c been an e.tt.dt:•.Or Loud Aatu Cr. When

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*Made to Parliament; harreter, it was mares* 4-
applicable. They were called on to con ider whe•
ther they di (charged their duty, if they fet afide an ere
of Parliament merely for the convenience of perfaist
who had negletled to comply with its chaaments.—
What elk were they doing in the precept indance P.
He wo.ild defy the bell judges of the interpretation
of the Englith language, to point oat words more
clearly, snore imperative and cdinmandinip than
tilife on which his motion was founded. An Hon.
Gentleman had charged him with not having even
that he did not believe that the Petitiotters were

: Freeholders of lifiddlefez. He really thought
lir: linnouraWc Gentleman not feu-ions, when be
made this remark. What had the Hnufe to do with
the fad, whether they were Freeholders or tot?
They had no title to enquire into it. Had the Pe-
tition been figned by Sufan and Mary, and a num-
ber of names, not one of which, it was evident.*
could be Freeholders br Eledor4, till they were
bound to receive the Petition, if It defcribed the
Petitioneri in tin. manner provided by the Ad.--
It had been fo found for him in a Petipon prefented
by the Eleaors of Weffminfter. In Goo's name,
what could be done under this AR, but difcharge
the Petition ? The Petitioners had not even by in-
ue o inlinuated that they had a right to, vote. A
rigon might prefent a Petitionfaying he was a hour:-
Mier, a freeman, or any other term which he choir
to adopt, but it muff be impoffible for the Houfe to
k tow that fuch a title gave him a right to vote in any
p articular place for a Member of Parliament. Uhl.
hid dated himfelf to be an inhabitant, would that
have been thought fufficient ? Would the Houfe have
gone into a queffion of law, and heard evidence, for
the purpofe of eflablifhing fuch a point ? The idea
was ridiculous ; but it muff follow, if the enaament
of the Ratute be not adhered to, which requires the
Petitioners explicitly to defcribe themfelves as hay:
inr, a claim to the right of voting. He regretted
that a Noble Lord who had been much engaged in
Elation Committees was not in his place, that the
Houle might have heard his opinion on the cub-
jet. If the Houfe negatived his motion he &mild
feel it his duty to apply for a repeal of the Ad, that
they might not have Petitions•flying in the face of
it every day. As to the regret fo pathetically ex-
preffed by Gentlemen, that the Petitioners &mild
foie the opportunity of vindicating their rights
merely from an accidental circurnltance, that had
received a very fatisfadory aofwer from the Learn-
ed Serjeant under the Gallery, who had pointed out
to them how frequently filch foreclofures occurred
in a Court of Jullice. Notwithltanding the doubt
which almoll e. cry Gentleman had eaprefed on the
fuLjea, he nail again declare his conviaion, that not
the moil Man: ocoace cf ambiguity was perceptible
to him on the molt trinitte inveftigation of Vie A&.
—As to the form, he hail no objeftion to have
the quelbon put in the manner fuggeded by his Hon.
Friend (Mr. Sheridan). The hardship which ag_ree•
ling to the motion would throw on the people of Eng-
land, he could not conceive. He had been told that
Iris motion did not deferve favour—it afked none.—!
Were Gentlemen to enter into the argument, they
would am find, that, however bads the maxim, it
would ftill prevail, that Ignarearia legit new exiaiat a
yet it was a maxim in the law of every civilized
country ; and indeed no law could fubfift without it.
Therefore every argument upon the harifthip of tbit
cafe could have no weight; though if any rational
mode could be fuggefted for giving relief to thew
Petitioners, he !honld not oppole it. With regard to
the fuggellion of his Honourable Friend, of altering
his motion, he had no objeCtion whatever to it; in-
deed he had at &ft an intention cf bringing it for-.
ward in the Chaise of a fyllogirm, and to have moved,
oft, That the 2t3th of the King bad mated that no
Petition could be received, in which the Petitioners
did not date that they had a right to vote at the
Elation ; adly, That the Petition in qualms eon!
tained no fuch allegation : and idly, That the order
Icy hearing the fold Petition fhould be dircharged.—
He was very willing to (lupe his motion fo now.
The SPEAKER laid, that the Motion before the
Houfe muff firft be difpofed of.
Mr. FOX laid, that it was of little confequence to
him how the quettion was put. He expated, how-
ever, that Tome of the Gentlemen who had teemed to
think that the Petition was not without the words of
the Ad, would have had courage to defend that opi-
nion. Their condo& reminded him of a llory told
of one of the Ptolemy's, who being defirous of grow-
ing learned without fubmitting to the drudgery ne-
cetfary in acquiring it, applied to Euclid, or tome
loch furly perfonage. who informed him that them
was not a royal toad to mathematics. The Gentle-
men confefed the premifes to be bad, and yet orifbed
to abide by the foaclufion.
The Houfe then divided—For Mr. Fox's motion,
ta—Againft it, 96.
On being re-admitted into the gal:ry, the Hoare
was proceedine to tie ether Orders of the flay_-__
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CHAI‘.CELLOR. of the EXL.:I-IE4SER
moved that leave be given to bring in a Bill to in-
demnif; Bach rerfous as may have fulterc.l by the Ad
prohibiting the exportstirn of Corn.
As the Ee•mmittee arptiiitcd t.s fettle the Accounts
between GI est Britain an..l ltelari op to the year
t• c..nii.'eresi is diih.lve,i by the proeoration
of l'..C.i.iments th: Right H•mour+hic Gentleman
that that Committee be te.arpcintld,
and that it retame its proceeslings on Moods), morn-
ing ne-.t.

iL al.l-• m't•cd that a Se:eg Commi,tee be ap•
pninted to Irquire inte the Hate I chit MAjcity'. Cavil
The follow.r.g ate the name. .:£ the Cuautait:

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Sir W. riatTr.,ey Mr. Vanlittart.
se W. W. Wyntis Mr. *aura

It wac snowed. tLat ri;sl Committee have leave t,
uotw thttandttig any
. atiinnammeat of the Hon(/'
ACJ rice MerilLeti h.: epwrum.
He al!u m ced i r a Committee to confider of gi
to AJiu:k the ditTr.ncea between the Canoe Ma-
al.faduiCK. and their Servants. AU which asoti.mas
were rcfrc3ively agreed
The "'her orders of the day Laing AKA gic
Hoofs aJjousas4. _ _

-LONDON.

The Gerlmo who ate irk 'her lota* attforld comae pea free ?
Is bearated. that we ash be glad to MANS Ids esmataalcatiasa
Aoki

• FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 3.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK,
3 ye Cent. Ceelkb, weseysift—Ditto. for ace. S 5 I
Oweriern al 411G.41.eduned 360-4 per Cent. 72/•
new J per C.ent.34-okl dims U4—Less Ann. 164.
Laft night difpatehes were received from Admiral
Dec:moire, containing the particulars of the eva-
cuation of St. Domingo, which will probably appear.
in the Gazette to-morrowevening. They were brought
home in the RIVOLUTIOXAIRS frigate, arrived at
Portilnouth. General Rocxawuau, fix other Ge-
nerals, and a umber of Staff Officers, are on board
that vete!.
ilifpatebes have been received from Admiral
Coaewaccos, announcing that he has returned his
laden off Breit, and that be has been joined by the
DOITAXIIA, Of lOG guns ; the WIXOSOIL CASTLE. Of
98 guns, and the PIIISCISS Rove:, of 98. The
crews were all well and hearty. The enemy thews
no
slifpoltion to come out. Difpatches were lall
night fent from the Admiralty for that gallant Com•
slander. They were addreffed to him 44 a, fro "
Difiatches were alto tent et for the Commander
on the Jamaica laden.
Letters by yellerday's mail late, that a force of
scow men is encamped near Tonics:, under the
command of Geoerill Rsostsa, which is to fail for
fosse unknown dellination. From the charaler and
esferieace of the General, we (Wald fnppofe the sr.
mamest to be meant for Egypt ; but for this porpofe
k will be sectary to have a pals from Lord Mum.,
who lip coatinues to bold that port in aria blockade.
A letter from Hamburgil, dated January st, fays
We have this inaantreceived letters from Peterf•

aie Vienna. Satin, that the &MIMS, of
lanieto. Satisfied with the rejection of the media•
lien which be oared to Emmaus t to (ride the dif-
aresees with Easiest!, has ordered all the corps on
die Waters (rustier. of his Empire, amounting to
essay go,oce men, to advance. In the harbours of
%be auk Sea, the armaments continue with unabated
seivity. The Emperor ALazastose is fully deter-
mimed es penance the integrity of the Turkith do-
minion, and his rain aforaace to that etea has
hoes gives by Priam ITALISIOT Suwosaow, now
Aniboliadie with the Porte. The elofea alliance
listaisos the Emperors of Russia and Gutman, is
sow talked of; and the Emperor Fitment has fent
inellohletnea of the mei diainguillsed character to
Pmeribargh n aSii is the aegociations of the Em.
lAN The French, alarmed by this conga:doe, re•
bkrelltbsirPrams is Upper holy. on which ae.
vivant !Miler precautions have been taken by the
Imperiel Cabiaet."

Ws have been favoured with another very impor.
mot latter from Bombay, giving foam farther account
4 the war with the Mahrattas, which is yet only
began. As General W v had advanced to
mock Sesnman's forces, we may 'vet foon to bear
wary important intelligence from this quarter.
The war again.. the King of Candy appears to
Law bees difairses in the extreme. The letter is
as lienows :

- Ileathey.sok Atop& 1803.

War has been declared by the General Govern.
seen! againft Dowlut Row Seindials, and the other
Chieftains of the 'Mahratta Empire in league with
high This is the refult of our having efpoufed the
cure of Bajerow, the Peifhwa. Gen. W has
been invetled with the command of all the troops on
this fide of India in the field t—and he commenced
boftilities againfi Scindiah with the liege of
Admednugur, which was taken by form the 12th
Want, it is Paid, with a very inconliderable loft
on our fide, but we fear otherwife. He has fince
joined Colonel Sraviesow, on the borders of the
Nizam's country, in order to proceed againfk Scin-
disk Moat, who is encamped with his army in the
Tappy, near to Muzzelpoor. The &kith army now
united amounts to about fitteen thoufand men, in-
fantry and cavalry. We may therefore loon expeft
to hear of a general engagement between them. Or-
ders have been fent to our contingent forces with the
Guykar, in the Gusurat, to proceed again(! Broach
and the P• gunnahs, belonging to him in that province;
a coefiderable force muff have marched by this time
from the Bengal Provinces into the Rajah of Beret's
country ; thus they will he attacked from all guar.
tees. It is Paid that the Marquis's objeCts are there :
&II to diminifh the power of Scindiah. by compelling
him to reltore to Shah Allum, Delhi. sad all the
prov:sees conquered by the late Madajee
Eros, him; and fecondly, to diflund all the Euro-
peans in his fervice. The Mogul Emperor is, it
is conjeCtured, if we forret:el, to be reacted to the
MufnuJ, and to be reinflated in his power. and
to be put in pcliellion if. the dominions he held at
the period of the conquell of them by Madajee
dish ar.d ..!hers. In that event. it is not impubahlc
but that the Gtiturat will in like manner be gircit up
to him, and he of costae will fubfidize a confide:26le
Britifls Pave to ftippott him in his Government. The
views of the Mai epos are great and sell. Time a ill
(hew us whether Lis meatnra, are wife and politic ;
cur ambititin foe L• mpire. however, kerns lu be as

unbounded in the EaA, as that of Franca is in the
Weft. The great extenfion of it makes it vuloevabk
in all our ltrong polls of defence, from the wide dif-
perfion of our forces; and if we win' to retain it, we
ma follow a different fyllem.
" So long as we are matters of the fea, and have
a formidable fleet, there is no danger.
" The Nizana died on the 6th inaant, and is foe-
ceeded by his eldeft fon, Seconder jaw.
" The Maltbarians will, it is feared, give us a great
deal of trouble. As we have no troops to (pare, to
fubjugate them is inspable.
" The Beetle• Nut war with the King of Candy in
Ceylon has terminated moll tragically. The garri-
fon of Candy, confining of the 19th Regiment of
Foot, to the number of 3+4 officers and men, and
the Royal Malay Regiment (fan the privates of the
Malay Regiment who joined the Candies') have all
been maffacred by the natives► wbo rote upon them
s map. Thus has that kingdom been loft as rapidly
as it was acquired.
u The Wahabe Sheick, of the tribe of Moggedi,
who hae for force years paft been the head of a new
religions fea in Arabia, in oppofition to the Mahe-
metal'. has lately taken the cities of Mecca and Me-
dina, and plundered and deßroyed them, together
vgth all the temples, &c. excepting the Kaaba. This
it a (crime blow to the Mahometan religion, which
is daily declining."

Yelterday morning. between eleven and twelve
o'clock, his MAJISTY rode in his riding bona.
Sous after one o'clock, his Mai erre gave an audi.
ence to Mr. ARTHUR PAGET, previous to his return•
ing to Vienna. as Minißer from Great Britain.
At two o'clock, his Meg arry held a Privy Council,
which was attended by the LORD CoancaLLoa, the
Duke of PORTLAND, Exrl of WRSTUORRLAND,
count C 444444 RACK. Lord HOBART,' and Mr.
Yoacs. The RICORDER of LONDON attended, and
made his report of the cassias capitally conviaed at
the two left Sefton' in the Old Batley.
The Prince of Wat.ss's indifpofition, we are happy
to fay, is very flight. On Wednefday a (mall gain.
city of blood was taken from bis Royal Highnefs.l
Yefterday morning his Royal Highnefs the Duke
of C AAAAA es arrived at his hook in Stable Yard. St.
James's, from Bulky Park I in the evening his Royal
Highnefs gave a dinner to a large party of Noble.l
men and Gentlemen.
Accounts were this morning received from Lord
Sr. Viacsar's, at Brentwood, Rating that his Lord.l
(hip is much better.
The French gun boats fent into Portfmooth on
Tutiday left by the Tame sand HYDRA, have been
found fit for his Majefty's fervice, and are ordered
to be fitted oat accordingly.
Captain HSNOSILSON, of the nth regiment. came'
passive from Halifax in the 1/110R014ACHs, of 16
gnus t he left Colonel Lord F. Morrscus and the
'9th regiment all well when he left the fettlement.
It appears that JSIODS BONAPAILTB is at len
married. The circumftance is mentioned in %he
NN, r & dideartVer. of the gift Dec. in the follow.
ing terms :—" At Baltimore, on Saturday evening
la, by the Rev. Billtop Caaeol.. Mr. Jeanne Bo
NAPALTS, youngeft brother to the Ft OAT CONSUL of
the French Republic. to the agreeable Mifs ELI:4-
,111 s PATTIRsom, eldeß daughter of Mr. WILLIAM
PATTILSON, of Baltimore."
ROYAL Amity or R .-The following are
the Totals of the number of Men railed, rejected,
&c. on account of the Royal Army of Referee, as
appears by the official Returns laid before the Houfe
of Commons : •
I I I
111 I I I T.ll-=

66,739
41.15
6189

ttl9
271
6io

V 4
t 1

34,410
4ac 3
5379

34.161

15,422