Star.
London, England, 1811-03-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL ASSOCIATION FISHIARY.

On the motion for the second reading of the Im-
perial Association Fishery Bill,
Mr. CALCRAFT objected to its principle, as one
of three bills now before Parliament for incorporating
Joint Stock Companies. Competition, he said, was
the soul of trade, and every attempt to, establish a
monopoly was consequently hostile to the public, as
well as the fair trader. At all events, he was anxious
that a Bill of this nature should not be hurried through
the House, but that time should be given to persons
who might feel themselves aggrieved, to lay their
complaints before Parliament. He did not, however,
absolutely object to the second reading of the Bill,
but wished, for the reason he had mentioned, that its
commitment be postponed to a distant day.
Mr. ROSE supported the principle of the Bill, It
was well known that foreigners had been long em-
ployed in the British Fisheries, and had derived very
considerable gain from them. It was desirable that
this country should avail itself of its natural advan-
tages in this respect, and employ a portion of its in-
dustry in so profitable a way; but no individual, he
contended, could afford capital sufficient for such an
undertaking, and a Joint Stock Company was there.
fore necessary. If it was not done in this way, he was
certain it would not be done at all.
Mr. DAVIS GIDDY was convinced of the pro-
priety of encouraging our own fisheries, but was un-
certain if the present Bill was the best way of carry-
ing this into effect. If the fact was made out, that
Joint Stock Companies were prejudicial to the public
in general, it would form a very good ground for op-
, posing this Bill.—The Bill was then ordered to be
committed; and a Committee nominated to situp stairs.
The SPEAKER here took an opportunity of ob-
serving that Monday next was the last day for receiv-
ing Reports on the introduction of private Bills. He
should, therefore, come down to the House on that
day, at three o'clock, that every possible facility might
be given to the private business.

COMMERCIAL CREDIT.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
stated, that he rose in pursuance of his notice to move
for the appointment of a Committee to inquire into
the state of commercial credit in this country. He
had no difficulty in stating to the House that various
_applications had been made to him by the manufac-
turing and commercial interests of the country, in
consequence of the suspension of public credit, and in
consequence of the losses which had been sustained
from the interruption of trade. To these representa-
tions lie was disinclined to pay any particular atten-
tion : but they had from various quarters so much
multiplied, that he thought fit to submit the subject
to the consideration of the House, that a Committee
might be named who should present a Report to the
House on the subject. He wished to refrain from en-
tering into any discussion of the subject at present, as
premature and improper. He thought that the Com-
mittee should consist of 21 Members. In that num-
ber the four surviving Members of the Committee of
1793, now in the House, were included. The names
proposed, as far as we could collect, were the Chan- I
cellor of the Exchequer, Sir John Sinclair, Mr. Brag-
den, Mr. Manning, the Lord Advocate of Scotland,
Mr. Rose, Sir Thomas Baring, Sir. James Shaw, Mr.l
Baring, Mr. Henry Thornton, Mr. Foster, Mr. Al-
derman Shaw of Dublin, Mr. Chas. Long, Mr. Sharp,
Mr. Irvine, Mr. Marryott, Mr. Hart Davis, and Mt.
Staniforth.
Mr. TIERNEY made some objections to the mo-
tion.

...

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, the Right Honourable Gentleman had objected
to the employment of the terms Commercial Credit,
as ton loose and vague, and not sufficiently distin-
guishable from the Public Credit of the Country.—
He thought, however, that the two subjects were per-
fectly distinct, and that no difficulty could arisefrom
the terms of the motion. On this subject he thought
it adviseable to avoid delay as much as possible;
and that something should speedily be laid before
Parliament, to enable them to take the matter under
their consideration. The Committee would naturally
inquire into the nature of the mischief, and of the
causes by which that mischief has been produced, for
the sake of providing a remedy to that mischief. If
the mischief is found to admit of remedy, the nature
of the remedy will next become naturally the object
of their consideration. He thought, that in every
way, it was adviseable that this Report of the Com-
mittee should not be protracted, but that at an early
period they should communicate their views to the
-House.
Mr. CURWEN said, that undoubtedly the causes
of the mischief ought to be taken into the consider*.
Ilion of the Committee. These causes, he believed,
'were nothing else than the Orders in Council. The
pressure no doubt was put ; but he did not see how


that pressure could at present be removed. He • the Chancellor of the Erchegner lead avoided. Ties
thought it was not adviseable to hold out to the was extraordinary, as the Chancellor of she Excheepter
country that the evil might be remedied, that those in- , had immediately assented the moment the Hon. Gen.
dividuals who have been induced on account of high : tleman had keen named. He had never doubted but
wages to leave agriculture for manufactures, may be l the Hon. Gentleman would have been willing to hire
induced to return back to agriculture, for which pur- l given his services upon the Committee,--eeeeees
pose greater facility was afforded at present than at ' which, in his view of the case, would be of greet le:-
any former period, from the great number of Inclo- pity. It appeared to him, that this would be an ope.
sure Bills. ration of finance founded on a commercial difficulty;
Mr. HORNER thought the Chancellor of the Ex. and it was important, even with a view to the proti-
chequer had taken a more correct view of the subject , mate causes of that difficulty, that some person accus.
than his Right Hon. Friend. It was better, in his 1 tomed to the operations of finance, should be on the
opinion, to confine the inquiry at present to the na• ; spot. Although he was sorry that the services of the
lure of the measures to be adopted, than to enter ; Hon. Gentleman on this Committee should be lost.
upon the causes which have led to these measures. If yet, as he was averse to become one of the members,
the measures were good they oughtto be adopted, he certainly would not press his motion.
and acted on without delay ; but the cause will pro- ; Mr. CANNING did not mean to impute any im.
perly form a subject of after-discussion. He wished propriety to the last speaker.
to express, however, no opinion at present of the re. Mr. TIERNEY moved an amendment to the pro-
medy necessary to the evil ; or even to express an position to the following purport :
opinion of the possibility of affording any such re. " That the Committee should examine into the State of the
medy. He rose to move for the addition of another Trade of the United Kingdom, and report open the causes that
name to the Chancellor of the Exchequer's.list. No- produced the same."
thing, he owned, could be more respectable than the
Mr. A. BARING thought that the inquiry into
names of which that list was composed ; but he could the general state of trade ought to be postponed: The
not avoid thinking that it would have been better if object at present he understood to be, to ascertain
it had contained fewer commercial names. He whether commercial credit was not in a state requir.
g
thought that, at any rate, the late Secretary to the in relief, if such relief could be administered, At
Treasury should be on the Committee, ande there-
a future period of the Session, no doubt, it would be
fore moved that the name of Mr. Huskisson should
proper to go into the more general inquiry, and to
be added. expose completely the causes which had led to the la-
Mr. HUSKISSON wished to decline the honour rentable situation in which commerce at present
of being a Member of the Committee. He stated the stood, that they might be aware in time to come.—
points in which he thought the present distresses re- But it was better to defer the more extended conside.
sembled, and in which they did not resemble, those ration. Whether the system of the Orders in Conn-
of 1793.—As present there was no interruption to cil, the plan of licences, and other measures of Go.
public credit, in 1793 it was otherwise ; and at vernmen had not tended strongly to produce this
present there was a great spirit of overtrading in the sad effect would be a question at another time. But
country. He disclaimed the having any particular the fact was clear, that commerce was in a deplorable
Mate, and he owned the measures of the Right Hon.
opportunities for information on this subject; and
Gentleman were a material cause of it. If a house
thought that perhaps the opinions he had now ex.
pressed, might disqualify him from forming one of the was on fire, the first consideration was to put it out.
"Committee. .- • and afterwards to inquire into the causes which had
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER occasioned it. The questions were distinct, and there
would be a disadvantage in involvieg'them ; and, be.
rose to support the motion of the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Homer). He agreed with the Gentleman who sides, if they were to proceed upon the more enlarged
in -view, the Report could-mot be presented in lets than
last spoke, that the present circumstances differed
some cases from those of 1793, and 'resembled them a month. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that
in others. He thought, however, that should the our relations with America had no connection with
distresses of the present day be even traced to over-
the present commercial distress. Whether or not we
L trading, yet if the result of that over-trading has been were right in our dispute with America, he would
I.such as not only to occasion mischief to those who
not new discuss ; but when it was considered that
'have over-traded, but those who have not over-traded, America was a customer for twelve millions annually
ofs.
elation, if possible. He had no hesitation in saying,
the House could have no objection to afford an elle-
our manufactures, it must appear a most extradinary supposition that the stoppage of this trade
that whatever opinion may be formed of the policy would add nothing to our commercial distress. It
of the Orders in Council, these, on inquiry, would not was not to be doubted but this would add very consi.
be found to be the cause of the present commercial derthlyto the distress under which tradenow laboured.
;distress. These measures, however, of the Orders in The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Council, he had no doubt, would admit of every jus- had not said that the stoppage of so considerable a
tification, as wise and expedient for the country. trade as that with America, had no connection with
Mr. TIERNEY said, that it was not sufficient to the depressed state of commerce. What he had sta.
induce the House to vote an issue of Exchequer Bills, ted was this, that it was not connected with it through
to state that numbers of merchants have over-traded any fault of the Government.
themselves. Upon such a Report to be presented to Mr. H. THORNTON took it for granted that the
the House, he would not think himself justified in object was to inquire into the state of trade only so
givingiiis vote. He did not mean to say, that under far as this was connected with the means of giving
certain circumstances of distress he might be willing relief. To answer this purpose, the original motiaa,
enough to give assistance; but these circumstances, was sufficiently well expressed. The amendment pro-
he thought, should differ materially from the present. posed would lead into too large a field.
He owned, he did not see how a remedy could be af- The first part of the Amendment—that the Com-
forded to the present evils. The Right Hon. Gentle- mittee should inquire into the state of the trade of
man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) spoke of the the United Kingdom, was then put and negatived.
necessity of a speedy report ; but he hoped that suffi- The question being upon the latter part, that the
cleat time would be taken to make the necessary Committee should report on the causes that produced
inquiries, and for this purpose a week at least would the same.
be necessary. Were he to be a member of the Corn- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
mittee, he would wish to examine a number of mer- observed, that the Right Honourable Gentleman had
chants on the subject, and enter upon other inqui- surely fallen into some mistake. Was it meant that
ries, which would all take up a good deal of time.— there should be an inquiry into the causes that pro-
It would be proper for the House to know what was duced commercial credit ?
the state of the present distress, what had produced Mr. TIERNEY—No ; into the causes of the pre-
that state, and what was likely to be the duration of sent state of commercial credit.
that state ? and it would be foolish to give issues of The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Exchequer Bills at present, if at the end of a twelve. .4.-Even in that sense it was too large, and would carry
month the evil should still continue. It was improe t duties of the Committee much beyond what any
per to afford assistance, without knowing the cause .
and the likelihood of duration. bee appeared to have in view.
Mr. WILBERFORCE concurred with the List
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER speaker, that the words of the amendment were too
said, that he should certainly think the Committee large—and that the inquiry ought to be confined to
were going beyond their duty Were they to enter upon the state of trade, so far as this was connected with
so large a field of investigation as the Hon. Gentleman
would force upon them. To what extent the Holm the means of relief.'
The latter part of the amendment was also nega-
might think fit to go into the ultimate and proximate
causes of the subject was another consideration ; but hued, and the motion, as originally worded, agreed
to without a division.
it was the Committee's duty to inquire into the na-
Upon the reading of the names of the Membersfor
tore of the present distress. The House will consider
the degree and extent of the distress, and whether it the Committee,
Mr. WHITBREAD rose and stated, that in his
be advisable to afford a remedy ? Whether the House i
will take the subject of the duration of the evil, or the opinion there were too many commercial men pro.
diminution of pressure into consideration, will be af- posed, thirteen out of the twenty-one being of that
description, and thereby constituting a majority of
terwards decided. chiefly
Mr. whole. The remaining names too, were
Mr. CANNING observed, that. from the narrow
description of the investigation proposed, he appre. i those connected with the Right Hon. Gentleman in
h Office. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to hold
ended the qualities for which his Honourable
out, that he bad at first rather turned a deaf ear to
Friend had been stated to be particularly distinguish-
ed, were not necessary, especially if it was intended :
was a convert to the opinions contained in these re-
the representations on this subject, and whether he
that the Report should be speedily laid on the table.
presentations, or had brought forward the subject on
The qualities alluded to would only have been of es-
sential advantage if the Committee were to inquire account of the number of applications, and the res-
of stability of the quarters from whence they came,
not only into the immediate but the remote causes
had not mentioned. But if the commerce of the
the present state of commercial credit. He therefore ,
country was in an embarrassed state, and it was clear
e
thought it would be better to leave the names as ori-
that it was, this Committee was improperly ccmstitu-
ginally moved, and any one, after the Report should :
ted. That there ought to be some commercial men
be presented, would be at liberty, if he pleased, to
was certain—but that they must have a strong bias
propose a larger investigation. His Hon. Friend
to recommend the granting of relief, even though it
would not perhaps choose to state this ground exactly
might be doubtful to others whether such a measure
to the House, but it was not improbable that he might ,
go into this Committee under considerable disadvan. i f ority. He was
would
they ought not to constitute a ma ld be proper, he thought self-evident, and there-
tage. His principles with respect to public credit had
surprised that the name of Mr. Huskisson had not
j
lately excited a great deal of attention ;and it might
been originally proposed, and surprised that there
be supposed that he would be too much inclined to
should be any objection on his part when he was last
refer facts, as they came out, to these principles
which would deprive his authority of its due weight. mentioned. He hoped some other names would be
proposed. The commercial majority was objection-
As his Hon. Friend, therefore, was rather averse to
able in the first place, and almost the whole of the
be one of the members of this Committee, he appeal-
ed to the custom of the House, whether it was not rest would be under a vote for any measure of relief
contrary to its ordinary courtesy to appoint him.? His which the Chancellor of' the Exchequer might have
~ already suggested.
peculiar talents were not wanted here, otherwise his
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER.
willingness to undertake, and his ability to execute ;
stated, that he had taken the principal merchants
his duties were unquestionable.
Mr. HORNER expressed his surprise, that the
from both sides of the House—persons best acquain-
„Right Hon. Gentleman had spoken as if he (Mr.
ted with the subject, and at the same time not likely
R omer) had fallen into some impropriety in naming
to be se much affected as less eminent traders, by the
o ob.
the Hon. Gentleman near him (Mr. Huskisson) as a Present depressed state of commerce. He had n
member of this Committee, and an impropriety which jection, however, to some more names, though it was

imitable that the Committee should not be too nu-'
pietous. •
Sir JOHN NEWPORT objected to the constira.
tion of the Committee, on the same grounds as Mr.
Whitbread.
Mr. A. BARING stated, th::t every comnsercial
man who had expressed a doubt as to the expediency
of Riving relief. had beep named for the Committee.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT disclaimed any other ob.
jection to a ,majority of connuercial men than this,
that they would be, grout the nature of the case, ac-
ting under as undue gas.
liirt G. JOHNSTONEroposed that Mr. D. Cid,
sly be added to the Comnattee,bat nobody seconded
the Merlon.
The Committee, was therefore appointed .ts
origi-
nally constituted, with the usual powers. Adjourned.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

SATURDAY, MARCH g
PRICE OF S POCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK:
per Cent. Cons. money, esill—for account. 64 6G.
$ par Cent. Navy 97k.
PRICE OF b FOCKS YESTERDAY.
link Stock, 243 244 Long Ann. 17i 13-16
3 per Ceat. Rod. 66, 65i, 66 India Bonds ens. 15s. pre.
3 per Cent. Cons. 6511 a Eac. Bills, 9s. 13s. prent.
4 per Cent. 83 s2f Onmium-
-3 per Cent. Navy 97i 9$ Cons. for ace. 66, 6.7 i, 61.

THE KING.
4' WINDSOR•CASTLE, MARC[( 1.
" The Kum remains in the same state in which Lc
was yesterday." (Signed as umlal.)

There are letters in town from Lisbon, dated the
Jsth ult. which announce that some important events
were on the eve of taking place; but whether they
would terminate in a battle or a retreat was uncertain.
It was supposed by some that MassENa would attempt
to cross the Tagus, and throw the whole of his army
into Alentejo. Another opinion was, that he would
make a dcsperate attack on Lord WELLINGTOS'S lines;
while, according to a third, he had no ether resource
but in evacuating Portugal and retiring into Spanish
Estremadura. The country which he occupied, and
for many leagues in his rear, was completely ex-
hausted. The few supplies. he derived from Spain
were so scanty and precarious, as to be wholly inade.,
quate to the subsistence of the army. Such were the
impediments produced by the constant activity of the
Ordenanza, that the smallest convoy required the
protection of many hundred troops. The letters also
state that some transports had just arrived with Bri-
tish troops, which were immediately landed and
marched for the army.
Government, it is said, have received accounts cal-
culated to excite the highest expectations. At the date
of these dispatches a general engagement was daily
expected, as the constraint under which the enemy
laboured was such, that he must either fight or relin-
quish his position.
Indeed, such are the accounts that Lave reached
us, and atoagh such a channel, that we think the
expected battle must have taken place on or about the
psth of February.—And such were the relative cir-
cumstances of the armies that, though we seldom pre-
sume to speak with confidence, we entertain no doubt
that in a few days we shall have to congratulate the
public on a most splendid victory.

We have to congratulate our readers on a very im-
portant piece of intelligence which we know to hare
been received yesterday by Government, that BERNA-
DOTTE has avowed his intention to maintain the inde-
pendence of that country which has not only adopted
him but given him a throne, against every foreign
influence whatever I and that at this moment negoci-
ntions are carrying on between Sweden and Russia
for the purpose of securing the political and commer-
cial rights of the Northern Powers. The New King
of SWEDZN observes, that he has sworn to guard and
protect the people over whom he reigns, and that no-
tiling shall induce him to violate his oath. It is a fact
deserving to be generally known, as it goes a great
way towards confirming the present statement, that
no person ever conducted himself with greater pro-
priety in a diplomatic character, or more to the satis-
faction of the Court to which he was sent, than Brit.-
NADO nit did, while he officiated as French Ambassa-
dor at the Court of Vienna.

- - I4appearsby American Papers to the 30th January,
that the Bill prohibiting the importation of British
merchandise had passed the House of Representa-
tives, and that there was every reason to believe that
it would also pass the Senate.
The PEMSIDIENT had been requested by the 'louse
of Representatives, to give information as to the cap-
tures and seizures of American vessels, by the Go-
vernments of Great Britain and France. _ _

The schooner Express, from Rio Janeiro, had
brought accounts that no doubts were entertained of
the ultimate success of the Juntas of Spanish America.
The naval force from Monte Video had raised the
blockade of Bucnos Ayres for a few days, and several
American vessels had got into port. The blockade
had, however, been resumed, with a firm determina-
tion to exclude all vessels, except those bearing that
flag to which permission had been granted to enter
by arrangement with Admiral DE Councy.
Judge LI v ii4o;roN is appointed Minister Plenipoten-
tiary to France. in the room of General Anmattono.

Accounts have also been received from Mexico as
late as the 10th November. There had been a meet-
ing in the Government Hall of that city, at which the
principal Officers and inhabitants attended, and the



tvtarquis de SAY ROMAN presided. tt was on this'
occasion determined to raise a number of battalions, to

be distinguished by the name of the Regiments of Fer-
dirtAnd.Vllth. The VICEROY was to be Commander

of the whole; and'all residents in the city, Natives as
well as Spaniards, above the age of 16, and not en-
listed elsewhere, were to be enrolled in this corps.

Tttz DUEE OF ALBUQUERQUE'S FUNERAL—This
da'y, at two o'clock, the remains of this distinguished
Nobleman were conveyed with great pomp and so-
lemnity from the Spanish Ambassador's Chapel for
interment in Westminster Abbey. The Boffin, co-
vered with crimson velvet, was decorated with very
rich silver gilt furniture ; and the procession was
preceded and followed by a squadron of the 15th Light
Dragoons. The train of carriages included those
of most of the Ministers and foreign Ambassadors,
together with those of many of the Nobility. The
whele ceremony was grand, solemn, and affecting.
Accounts of a late date from Hamburgh mention,
that an interview was expected to take place at Ko
ningsberg, at the latter end of February or beginning
of March, between the Emperor ALEXANDER and the
King of Nowa. The avowed object of the meeting
it st marriage of the latter with one of the Arch-Du-
chesses : we believe the same Princess Whose hand was
ailicited by BONAPARTE. Although we have no great
confidence in the sincerity of these Regal alliances,
yet we are not sorry to Ste his Prussian Majesty form
a connection which may secure to him a future asylum.
By letters to the 221 tilt. from Paris, and to the
25th from the coast, it appears that the embargo con-
tinued in full force, but an order for raising it was
daily expected. Several houses of the first respecta-
bility at Paris are stated to have failed.
A letter from Portugal states a curious fact :—At
this time a British guinea produces no more in value
at Lisbon than 19 English shillings, and sixpences will
not pass in Portugal ; but unstamped dollars prodore
a high premium.
Mr. Secretary POLE was in the House of Commons
last night. To a question asked by Mr. WARD, it
was answered by the CIIANcELLOrt of the EXCHEQUER,
that it was not deeMed necessary to lay any more
papers before Parliament relative to the late proceed-.
ings in Ireland ; and no further observation was made
upon the subject.
DUBLIN.—The statement published: on the autho-
, rity of the Catholic Committee, of what passed in
j that Committee on the visitation of the Magistrates,
has drawn forth a counter-statement from these Ma-

gistrates.
STATEMENT OF TRY MAGISTRATES.
POLICE 0 ester, I tem.:Tamer, Fee. 23.—Pursuant to the
directions of Government, Alderman barley and Mr. Babington
repaired to the house of Fitzpatrick, in Capel-street, where the
Roman Catholic Committee bad been used to assemble. They
asked Fitzpatrick if there was then a meeting of Catholics in his
house? He replied in the affirmative, and ushered the Magis•
traces to the rooms on the first floor, where from forty to fifty
Gentlemen *ere assembled.
On the table lay some copies of the Catholic Petition, which
the persons then present were in the act of signing.—Mr. Hay,
who was at the table, said, Gentlemen, such of you as have signed
the Petition for the Commons, and not for the Lords, be. so good
as to cothe forward and sign. Immediately after the Magistrates
entered the room. Lord Wrench was called to the Chair.
Lord Ffrenels demanded of ticeidegistratee, by what authority
they came there? Alderman Dailey replied, that, nodeestanding
the meeting to boa sneeting of the 'Catholic Committee, he must
request of them, as a Magistrate, to disperse.—Lord Ffrench
asked, if the order was from Government I Alderman Dailey
said, certainly.
lord Ffrench assured the Magistrates, that that meeting was
not the Catholic Committee; and that he sat as Chairman of no
Committee, but as Chairman of a meeting of Catholic Gentlemen
for the purpose of signing and forwarding a Petition to Parlia-
ment. Lord Yfrench said, It was right to warn Alderman Dar-
ley. that by taking such steps towards that meeting, he might be
the first person to disturb the peace. Alderman Dailey expressed
the regret he felt at discharging so painful a duty, and said that
we were unattended by even a Peace Officer; that, however, our
duty must be done.
lord Ffrench said,he bad as high a respect for the laws as any
Lone, and said, if the Magistrates began at the end of the room,
he hoped he should be the last man turned out. He said, that
had he been treated as he might have expected by Mr. Pole, be-
fore any harsh step was taken, towards a meeting of that body to
which he belonged, by having beat sent for, he could have so
explained the nature of the meeting as to prevent the interference'
of a Magistrate. He added, that he in his own person had an
additional claim, conceiving himself an hereditary Councillor to
the Crown.
Mr. Babington said, that the Magistrates had the highest re-'
spect fur his Lordship ; that if Lis sole object in remaining was to
try the question, we would do any thing to facilitate the inatter
—that force was repugnant to our feelings, and that we hoped
they would quietly submit. Some gentlemen replied, there was
no question to try ; that no individual in the room would resist
the laws, and that no force was necessary; that they would go
any vthere with us.
Alderman Darley was asked, if he had a written information ?
to which he answered that he bad.
Sir Edward Bellew asked, if it was the order of Government
disperse any meeting of Roman Catholics?
- Alderman Darley having information that the Catholic Com-
mittee was to be there assembled, and having positive directions
tei disperse the Catholic Committee, conceived himself justified,
lo reply to Sir E. Deficit's question, to say, that his orders veer
Iloarhsperse any meeting at that house.
Lord Ffrench then asked him, would he not pause before
took that step ?—would he shut the door against their right to
petition? and groposed that he should wait on Mr. Pule, and
I explain the nature of their meeting.
Alderman Darley seeming to decline, Lord Ffrench then asked
Alderman Barley, woold he commit the peace of the country and
take on himself the responsibility, without making this trial 1—
' Lord Ffrench added, if it was the wish of Mr. Pole, he and any
three or five of the Gentlemen present would wait on him.
• Alderman Dailey having consulted with Mr. Babingten, at
levet agreed that he w. tild wait upon Mr. Pole, Mr. baiting-
Inn remaining in the room daring his absence.—Lord Ffrench
'laid, if thought necessary, that no Gentleman would leave the
'room during the absence of Alderman Darley, nor thould tiny
other person be permitted to enter. Some persons said, that that
could not be, as it was an open meeting.
In the absence of Alderman Dailey, Mr. Hussey asked Mr.
Babington, if he had a written information ?--r. Babington
replied, that he bad better not speak on that business till Alder-
Man Darley returned.
Alderman Dailey having returned from Mr. Pole, stated, that
ao Lord Ffrench had assured the Magistrates that the meeting
Was not the Catholic Committee, but a meting of Catholic Gen-
tlemen, for the purpose of signing and forwarding their petition
to Parliament, it WAS the order of Government that the Magis-
trates should net by any means interrupt them.
Alderman Darley having again asked Lord Ffrench,whether that
was a meeting of the Catholic Committee, or a meeting of Ca-
tholic Gentlemen, for the purpose of signing and forwarding their
Petition ? Lord Ffrench declared that it was not a Catholic Com-
mittee ; and said, he would thew the Magistrates that that meet-
inn could nor be the Catholic Commktee, and was proceeding to
say more, when he was interrupted.
I Mr. O'Gorman asked Alderman *barley, if he emered that
room for the purpose of preventing the Catholic Body from signing
and forwarding their Petition to Parliament ; be, Mr. O'Gorman,
having tome there icy that purpose, during his (Alderman bar-
ley's) absence ? Alderman. 'Mtley said, certainly, not.
As far as we can recollect, table a sorreet statement of the sub-
stance et what °corned. Fain. DARLIV.
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