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London, England, 1828-06-13 00:00:00

moot see my Way afterwards;" and be (Sir J. I'm ke)
was satisfied, that if we were to. repeal the present dis-
zsbili ,e , it would puzzle every L,rd, spiritual or tem-
poral. o pr vide adequate securities in their stead.
Mr. C. WYNN was utterly astonished that a Reso-
lution, worded as the Hon. Baronet's had b, en (which
Res-lution the Right Hon. Gentleman here repeated),
could have been rejected by the British House of Par-
liament. He confessed, for his own part, that he was
much better satisfied with the open, manly, and con-
sistent declaration of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Peel)
made in the year 1823—" I should conceive any sect'.
Thies insufficient but the exclusion of the Roman
Catholics from the Legislature and the Councils of
the Sovereign." He was much better satisfied with
this declaration, so often since repeated by his Right
Honourable Friend, than he was with that speech in,
the other House, to which allusion had been made,
and from which the Honourable Baronet augured
so favourably. He (Mr. Wynn) had not had the ad7'
ventage of hearing it; but judging front the reports,
which were always accurate enough for this purpose,
he must say he could perceive in it only a studious
wish to excite a hope, but an equally studious disin-
clination to give any pledge—(Hear.) The Right Hon.
Gentleman concluded by impressing upon the House
his own apprehension of the great danger which must
-result from leaving this question any longer unsettled,
in the present imminent perils to which the condition of
Ireland exposed her.
Lord Viscount ALTHORP concurred with his Hon.
Friend (Sir F. Burdett) in considering that the question,
-von this last occasion, had been discussed oath more
temper and moderation than on any former opportii-
nice. With regard, however, to what the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Pen) had said about the constitution
of the Cabinet, he (Lord Althorp) had always thought.
that a most unconstitutional system, which left the
principal subjects of their deliberations subjects of slis-
areement among themselves.
Sir THOMAS LE EH BRIDGE concurred in think.
ing that the leaving such a question in such a state in'
the Cabinet was extremely inconvenient. He was ready'
to admit that he thought there was in the country a
very growing feeling in favour of the toncession.Of tbe
question—(Loud cheers from the Opposition)—and con-
ceived that as so great a change as that ultimate con-
cession would effect, could not be brolight about•with-'
out a considerable lapse of time,-every pains should be
taken to gradually remove all difficulties, and to ap-
proximate all parties, instead of Making the question ins
the mean time a vehicle of attacks and abuse directed
. .
against, the Government.
Mr. SPRING RICE complimented the Hon. Baronet
Oh Member for Sornersetshire) on the open, honest,
manly, and consistent opposition he had always given
to these claims; and so much the more congratulated
the-Roman Catholics oft the present favourable opinion
entertained of them by their former -opponent. It they
hoped to make any progress. it wise by L 1604406; be-h
catrse their cause was the truth.. EaCif-they abstained
from 'discussion, it would be said they dreaded, it be-
cause it would not be favourable' to' the- cause they.
advocated. He for one supposed that diiscessiori bad
been' the .means by which they had advanced the
question. He coocurre,d heartily with the Honourable
Baronet who had introduced the- subject; is the 'warn-
logs he had addressed to the people of Ireland but be
contended that there was no power !thick' 'could say to
thesis,' Be at rest." They might say, "Be calm; be
tranqatil;. do not offend against the law ;"' but no power
.could say, $.4 Saban; to what you consider an injustice,"
. whera,:the Constitution told them that the Houses of
Isatdiameat were open to their complaints unless it
mom at that same time maintained that the people of Ire.
land were• so debated- and degraded
.that, whatever
might be, the infliction of the law; it was only n
fitting .ptirritharent for their lowness of spirit. Were
this the case, indeed, he would acknowledge that
England *mild only waste her sympathy upon Ire-
land. -He- wished, before *he concluded, to call the
intention of-the House to what took place early in that
Session. It was then argued, from the silence of the
Dissenters, by a Right How:arable Gentleman oppo-
seteAble. Peel), upon the question for the repeal of the
Tesvand CorPoration4.cts‘ that those persons had no
• gtiOrances to complain of.; and this was brought forward
as one of the reasons against aft:a/I:ling then] any relief.
. Ile *bald ink theta, were the strong Petitions orthe:
Roman Catholiti-to be used as an argument againit
them, and the silence of the Dissenters to .be turned
to the same *pose?. He did not however wish to
persevere further in the-discussion:of this topic, than
to say, that if the Roman Catholics studied their alen
interests they would 'appeal to Parliament uporall
, and every occasion,. until tbey 'obtained-their just rights..
- Let their appeal be firm, but let it be at the same time
itspectfuL.. Lai-them be united, bbt tittles same time
tranquil. ,He thought that a lint titilatidcbon should
be alwaYsAtain between the Cattolit'people. and the'
...Catholic Association. He bad never approved-and'
''sever attempted to. defendthe t cordon of 'many of the.
'individuals belonging -to the Aieociation ;- but he,
thooght the very existence of that body furnished an ar-
gument on his side of the question. It would be in the
recollection of the House that in a Kitsg'rthestage that
. Association had been spoken of in the harrhest terms,
and its proceedings declared irreconcileahle with the
Constitation; still the Act for its suppression I.la
' proved ineffectual. The Honourable Baronet had said
that proceedings ought to be taken against this body,
bat he (Mr. R.) took upon himself to say, that neither
the Hon. Baronet nor the Government could adopt any
proceedings against' the Association, which either could
or ought to be carried Into effect. Catholic Emancipa-
tion was the only measure Which could suppress the
Catholic Association,' or silence the Catholic agitators.
He agreed with the Hun. &amnia the justness of the
warnings he had given to Ireland; bothe begged him
oirecollect that much of the disturbances which had
taken place in that country originated in over-excited
• hope. He trusted no Hun: Member would hold out
greater hope to the people of brand thin he was
warranted in holding out from the grounds on yr faith
he rested. He (Mr. Rice) entertained hopes from the
progress the question was daily and hourly rnAkihg. in
• society at large-4rom its success in that flotise.t sr
Koid its 'iambic& tWeitigth iri ihe Hbuse of lord.;
, `but' he bad no other barpel—(Hiar, hear,)-.:::Alad if
without intending to de something, 444
out in ambiguous language horiel 'Whitt; by lifters .
the people of Ireland Might be lidtb-idlipt:Lire'daseat'
. not whe'dr-W`hat be' *tio'sits*
,pledge by inf,:rence 'which was more binding Mena-
honourable mind than one given is the llibtr "Akio*
terms could be), but he wbolditay;thaiNtnistet Iroulit
incur an awful re-punsibility if these hopes wet. not!
fulfilled—(Cheering horn the IWit).".zltiffibidbals :who.
pursued a &one bite 'erscit4 -a..-cish4ttori•
which, though it might pie Vent the breaking
on them at the'notaitient,inStelid et affOrdingthisbextety
iii.the end, woad oalybring down the Oiffider- ea their
heads. On tbe Subject of securities, he:ilicklia`asaleerat
viliore:he &Aga thbE srftat fiaetse thlas
ro di Mt bad a tendeney teprOthiai prihcsatini-considera•