Star.
London, England, 1820-09-09 00:00:00

FROM THE TIMES.

" The proceedings in the House of Lords yesterday-resumed,
to a cettain degree, their ordinary form, and, instead of judicial
investigation, were converted into debates'and divisions—in'the
latter of which it is unnecessary to say Which party produced
the greatest numbers. The first and most important subject of
contention—a subject, by the way, which is still, under certain
restrictions, left to the decision of Counsel—was, whether the
QUEEIt'S Legal Advisers should be so confined, that if they now
undertook to open their case, they should be obliged also to call
their witnesses forthwith; with an understanding, that if, in
consequence of this premature opening, the great body or any
part of the evidence could not be produced, they should still not
be allowed any further delay at a subsequent period. Upon this
point we only wish to call general attention to the speech and
previous inquiries of Lord Lansoown : that speech, so con-
vincing—those inquiries, so dexterous—leave us nothing to say :
they are conclusive. There will be no need for any further
observation with the Nation at large.
" In reply to some correlative matter which was introduced
by another Noble Lord, the Earl of Livzsroot. contended that
the present mode of proceeding against her Alaatsvr, however
burdened with difficulties, and impeded by obstructions, was yet
more humane towards the party accused than process by im-
peachment. Why, in the case of impeachment, the Lords would
have had to decide absolutely, and per se, as Judges, the Com-
mons being only the accusers; whereas, in the prpsent instance,
the Commons are Judges also ; and we think it paying the Lords
but a moderate compliment to say, that less humanity would, in
a supposititious and, as we shall soon see, impossible case, have
been dealt out by them singly, than is likely to be dealt out by
them in the present instance, when united with the Commons.

"But, allowing everything that is-asserted, or clearly to be
inferred from Lord Livearooe's statement, we should beg leave
to ask, whether the choice ever lay practically between the
present mode of proceeding and that by impeachment? It is
more humane to proceed by the present course, than to shoot
the Quime without trial. By whom was the Quart( fo be im-
peached? The House of Commons declared, paint blank, that
it would have nothing to do with impeachment, asserting, by
a most solemn resolution, that any further proceedings against
the genic, or any investigation of the contents of the Green
Bag, were injurious to the best interests of the nation; !cc.—
(We do not recollect the exact words, and the sense of them
is so strong in the recollection of the nation, that it is needless
to refer to them.) Vile, then, compare the present course,
which was gratuitously adopted, and not taken as a resource
against any other process whatsoever? Indeed, it is most re-
markable, that the solemnity of the inquiry increases as the hei-
nousness of the imputed offence diminishes. In the first con-
spiracy against her Maararr, when her life, her sacred life was
aimed at, a trumpery Commission was thought sufficient to ht-
vestigate the truth of the charges; and now, when it is asserted
that her person is safe front halos, all the Three Estates of the
Realm are set to work upon her by a Bill of Pains and Penalties.
" In the first division, upon the propriety of restricting Conn-
sel according to the terms. prescribed, that they should either
not open their case, or proCeed to the examination of witnesses
immediately, the numbers were 165 to 60. When the Reporters
entered, Mt. BROUGHAM was on his feet. offering a proposition
to this effect—that as the SoLictroa-Guesa.te had commented
on the preceding evidence, he himself might be allowed to do
the same, under an engagement that he would not speak of his
own case at all till he was prepared to sustain It by evidence.
This proposal was also negatived on a division. This day, there-
fore, the Counsel for the Quist nuke the election whether they
will delay the case wholly, or, taking the chance of their wit-
nesses being present, open it forthwith, and proceed immedi-
ately to the examination."

It will be recollected that it was assiduously..circu-
lated, by the Duke of Run/m:0 and others, that no
Address was presented from the Leicestershire Mili•
tia to the QUEEN, on the subject of the conspiracy
against her MAJESTY. Lest, however, there should
be any dispute upon the subject, it should seem that
300 men of that Regiment have actually signed the
Address afresh; and that the Address, so signed, was
also presented afresh yesterday to her MAJESTY. •

It will also Le recollected, that L• 1 d ELLENBO••
noucri asserted, and seemed to have made out from
dates, that the Non-ricordo man could have had no
communication whatever with the British Ambassa-
dor at Vienna. We .therefore subjoin the following
passage. from 31ajexchis renev ed examination on
Thursday :
" Q.-4M you not shew Gavazzi a- letter which you had re.
ceived gom a person here, and were to carry abroad?—A. What
I rem, ber is, chewing him the dispatch which I had received
to carry abroad, and I 'hewed him only the address.

" Q.— Was it not a dispatch Mat you had to carry to Lord SA wart
A. IT WAS.

From our Report of the Proceedings this day in
the House of Lords, our Readeis will perceive that
the hearing of the QUEEN'S Defence has been post-
poned till Tuesday, the 3d of October. It Was her
MAJEsty's wish to have proceeded instantly ; but
her Counsel, on consulting together, found that some
delay was absolately necessary,

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The twenty-first day's proceedings *of; thelrisa of
her MAJESTY cornmensed this morning atrten o'clock-
II
A few minutes before that hour the LORD. CHAN-
CELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack. Prayers
were then read by the Bishop of BRISTOL, and the
list of Peers was called over. The absentees were
not numerous.

At twenty minutes past ten, Counsel were called in.

The LORD CHANCELLOR. then inquired of
Mr. Brougham if he was prepared to go on with his
defence, or wished for some delay ?
Mr. gROUGHAM stated that he had, with his brother
Counsel, called on her Majesty last evening, and
that .her Majesty felt anxious that as little delay as
possible should take place; but, considering all ,the
circumstances, of the case, they felt it necessary to
ask for some delay ; and therefore he wished to have
leave until about Monday fortnight to prepare for
the defence.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that although he
was of opinion that when the defence was once begun.
it should be completed, still he thought that the time
for beginning should be left entirely to the Counsel
for her Majesty, and that whatever time was asked
should be granted.
Earl DARNLEY hoped her Majesty's Counsel
would fix the latest day on which they would be ready.

Earl GREY said it would have better suited the
convenience of Noble Lords, living at so great a dis-
tance as himself, if a longer. period had been fixed.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL would be governed en-
tirely by the opinion and wishes of her Majesty's
Counsel, and leave to them the option to fix their
own time, without at all considering the convenience
of their Lordships. Certainly, if there was any one
more than another whose convenience ought to have
any weight, it was that of the Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsaek, whose laborious duties conti-
nued during the whole of the year.

The LORD. CHANCELLOR felt grateful for the
attention of the First Lord of the Treasury ; but no
personal convenience should weigh with him. He
felt it his duty to attend at any time, and to discharge
that duty as long and as faithfully as he was able.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN understirood, that
whatever delay her Majesty's Counsel asked should
be granted.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE agreed, that no per-
sonal considerations should influence their Lordships.
Earl GREY explained. He wished to know dis-
tinctly from Counsel, if they would be ready at the
time they had fixed ?
The Earl of HARROWBY said, if the Counsel for
her Majesty felt any doubt as to their being ready at
the time, it would be well that they should take a
longer period.

Earl GREY moved, that Counsel be called in to
state whether they would be ready on Monday fort-
night or not.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had felt some difficulty in
fixing a precise day ; out from her Majesty's anxiety
that as little delay as possible should take place, he
had fixed the earliest possible day. However, on
consulting with his brother Counsel, and more parti-
cularly with her .Majesty's Solicitor, be would take
upon himself to state, that Monday three weeks
a. onld be most agreeable.
Earl GREY felt no objection to the time now fixed.
Lord MELVILLE wished a longer periOd had
been taken by her Majesty's Counsel.
Lord ERSKINE hoped, that whatever inconve-
nience Noble Lords might feel, that they would con-
tinue the same attention to the case as they had al-
ready done..
The Earl cif DARLINGTON said, after the
Learned Counsel had stated that he was ready for'
the defence, it was strange that he should now de-
mand a delay of a fortnight or three weeks.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL thought the Noble
Lord had misconceived the question ; their Lordships
had all come down to the House with the under-
standing that any delay the Counsel asked would be
gnuited ; he therefore thought there could be no
hesitation in agreeing to the time now fixed.

The Earl of LAUDERDALE wished Counsel to
be asked if a longer peziod would not be more con-,
venient ?

Lord FALMOUTH hoped that, as the day had
now been fixed, her Majesty's Counsel would then
be prepared, as a further adjournment would he
vexatious. _ •
The Duke of ATHOL agreed that.itought to rest
entirely with the Counsel to fix-the time, and that
whether Noble Lords lived in the County of Middle;
sex or the County of Aberdeen, they should not
think 'of their own inconvenience; but profit as,
much as they could by the adjournment, be it long
or short.

Lord HOLLAND suggested, whether an altera-
tion in the hours of attendance would not be ad-
visable. Eight hours a day would be too much.
The LORD CHANCELLOR inquired of Mr.
l3rougham, if he would be rcady on Monday three
weeks? •

Mr. IlriononAst." My Lords, widsout'Clciubt we
shall be ready ; it is the very latest day We certainly
could uish." .1.•

The LORD CHANCELLOR then moved, that
the further proceeding on this Bill should commence

on Tuesday, the Sd of October. His Lordship said,
he wished to know from the Counsel on both sides
whether they would consent to a Commission being
appointed to examine Lord Frederick Montague, who
was now► altroad, and too ill to give his attendan:t
at this Bar?

The Earl of LIVERPOOL thought that no ev:.
deuce should be admitted except that produced 7'
the Bar of their Lordships' House.
The Duke of MONTROSE read a letter from
Mr. William Burrell, one of the witnesses on the pa::
of her Majesty, dated from Berlin, stating that. 1.;
was so ill as to be unable to come over to this coun-
try, and praying that his deposition might be taken
abroad.

The LORD CHANCELLOR asked the Attorney.
General if he had any objection, on the part of thi.
Counsel for the Bill, to consent to a Commission
being granted for taking the evidence of Lord Prc•
derick Montague, and Mr. William Burrell, al r,
were on the Continent, and unable to attend
_ .
House, through illness?

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that he hardly felt
himself authorised to give such a consent ; but if the
House thought that such a Commission ought to be
granted, and ;f his consent were necessary, he would
Certainly feel it his duty to grant it.
'The LQ CHANCELLOR observed, that tf
was ail the asst e: Mr. Attorney-General could pc.-
si bl

Lord HOLLAND thought no such Counnissk
should be gruaed, unless it could be justiSed by so:ly'
analogy in the practiA:e of the Courts below in c.
minal cases. Ile doubted much whether r.u.l ,
analogy could be :hewn.
The Calls of Adjourn, adjourn ! became nument.--
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that befc: •
putting the motion of adjournment, he had to mo7f
that the following persons, mentioned in aEst handf..
to him by her Majesty's Counsel, should be orderr.
to attend the House, when they shall again meet, It.
give evidence in behalf of her Majesty :

Jou* ODst.L (or Onus, or Marx, we could uot exagely
• which).
Jructs Class CAeAtu.
Joan*a
WILLIAM Hem's.

Jonx JOHNSTON&
Jonx BILANSECIT.

Lord ItOSSVIN, resuming the subject of granting
the Commission, observed, that the observation:
which had last fallen from the Attorney-Gener:ll,
placed the question in quite a new situation. It ap-
peared from what the Lord Chancellor said, that be
considered himself as no'party in the case, but as the
servant of the House, this making their Lordship:
the parties prosecutors to the Bill. If the granting
of the Commission, therefore, were to be a questicm
depending on the conseneof the parties, the House
would in fact be the parties, and be thus both parties
and Judges. His Lordship trusted the House would
take cate how they involved themselves in any such
anomalous proceeding.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that there were
undoubtedly instances, in civil cases, of taking evi-
dente by Commission, with the consent of the ',artier;
but, in criminal proceeding% according to the best
information be could procure, for his own practice in
that department had been very limited, such a mode
of proceeding had been very rare. In criminal cases,
there was one circumstance which made the taking
evidence by Commission extremely objectionable.—
The Court had a right of itself to examine witnesses,
independent of the examinition by the Counsel for
the prosecution and defence; but it was impossible
the Court could have that opportunity, if witnesses
were examined by Commission. It was on the whole
extremely clear,_ that, unless upon considerations of
the-inint indispensable nature, the Commission ought
not in the'present instance to be granted,

Lord REDESDALE said a few words in support
of the Lord Chancellor's opinion.
Here the subject dropped ; and
The LORD CHANCELLOR put it to the House,
wheiher it was their pleasure now to adjourn tiil
Tuesday, the 3d of October, at ten o'clock?
Air-red to nem. con.
' Adjourned at half-past Eleven o'Clock.

Lord and Lady HOLLAND gave an elegant enter-
tainment yesterday to.a large party of distinction, :a
Ho!land House.

The- Hon. - Mr. and- Mts. VILLIRRS entertained a
large party of distinguished personages yesterday,
at their house in North Audley-street.
The Earl of LousnALE entertained a distinguished
party yesterday, at his house in Charles-street,
Berkeley-square. - -
Mr. F. CROOK, son of T. Nowt, Esq. of Tytherton
Luca, Wilts, being out sporting with his ti lend Mr.
KRAYS, on Saturday last, the gun of the latter acci-
dentally went off and shot Mr. Canost, who expired
within half an hour. -
FASHIONABLE ARRIVALS.

At the Royal Hotel, St. James's—Oeneral Wallace, from
France; the Hon. Thomas Barnwell, from Bath ; Thoma:
Wtiliams, Esq. from his seat in Wales; Richard Farrell, rAS.
from his seat in Ireland.
At Jiatt's Hotel, Dover-street••-Sir Aletander %. uir • .aclrenzie
and sou, from their seat, in Scotland ; Colonel Way, from +
tout; the Hon. Mr. Dawnay, from his seat, in Surrey.
—-

- DEPARTURES.
Lord Rivers, from Thomas's Hotel, Berkeley-square, fr,7
Newmarket. .

Sir Charles Argyll, Ban. from his house, York-street, S.:.
James's, for Brighton.
John Westcomb, Esq. from the aarendeo Hotel, Bond-street,
on a tour. The Marchioness of Silgo is expected to leale u'
same Hotel on Tuesday next, for her seat in Ireland.

, FRENCH PAPERS.

French Papers of Wednesday arrived this day.
The Moniteur says--" However rapid may be the
intelligence of the friends of disorder, they hare not
boen able to receive more recent news from Brest,
than is contained in the following, which we derive
from a telegraphic dispatch. The dispatch an-
nounces, that on Saturday night Brest remained In
a state of perfect tranquillity ; and that the measures
ordered by Government were received with confi-
dence and submission. Thanks to the noble inven-
tion which does so mach honour to France. We can
also announce to our Readers, that on Sunday morn-
ing, General Lauriston, to wham the King has con-
fided the chief command of the troops in 'the 12th
and 13th divisions, has reviewed the garrison at
Rennes, and acknowledged the good spirit which'
animates the whole of them. The same may be said
with respect to all the Departments. In all of them,
thefete du Roi has been celebrated with enthusiasm;
all the Authorities and the Constituted Bodies, who
are the true organs of public opinion, have mani-
fested their indignation against the enemies of our
paternal Government, under whose shelter France
has found that repose and liberty, which, for so long
a time, she vainly sought,"
The Quotedienne has an article, also, confirming
the above favourable view of the internal condition
of France.

Arrests, however, continue in various parts, which
arc supposed to be connected with the recent conspi-
racy. On the night of the 30th ultimo, a very tall
person was apprehended on the road between Lyons
and Grenoble. He wore a decoration, and appeared
to be a military man. He was put into solitary con-
finement ; and the Attorney-Generil immediately
went to the prison to interrogate hips.

According to the latest advice: from Madrid, the
Minister at War, the Marquis de las Amarillas, hid
again tendered his resignation, on account of the ie-
fusal of the troops in the Isle of Leon, to obey his
orders for putting some of the Regiments on the
Pease Establishment, and changing the quarters of
others. The Ultra-royalist Papers represent the capi-
tal as being in a state of the greatest alarm, in con-
sequence of this refractory disposition on the part of
the 'enemy.

The accounts front Sicily and from Naples, re-
specting the affairs of Sicily, are very contradictory.
One party represent the principal towns in the Island
as coalescing in one common purpose, and sacri-
ficing local prejudices to the attainment of the gene-
ral independence; another party affirm, that the City
of Palermo is opposed by Syracuse, Catania, and
Messina, and that bodies of armed men issuing from
each respectively, tender their beautiful Island the
scene of every calamity. The Government of Na-
ples is making preparations to reduce Palermo to
obedience, and a small squadron was to sail for the
purpose of blockading the harbour. The Palermians
are universally armed, and breathe a determined
spirit of opposition. The force which they have on
foot is calculated at 60,000 men. They had reduced
the town of Caltanisetta to ashes, for refusing sub-
mission to the Junta of Palermo. A battalion of
Sharpshooters, and some pieces of artillery, had
been sent to-Trapani from Naples.
A private letter from Naples states, that the two
Members of the Deputation from Palermo, who had
returned thither for fresh instructions, had again ar-
rived at Naples ; but the propositions -of which they
were the bearers, not appearing more admissible than
the first, the whole of the Members of the Deputation
were about to return from Pausilippo to Sicily. General
Pepi, it *as supposed, would find somepretext for di-
vesting himself of the command of the army, having
displeased all parties, and particularly the Carbonise:
The officers were offended with him for arming'
favour with the soldiers at their expense. An offer had
been made to General Church to release him from ar-
rests, on his parole of honour, but he refused it, being
resolved to undergo a tzial before a Court Martial.
Prince Cimitello left Naples on the 16th for St. Pe-
tersburgh, being charged with an extraordinary mis-
sion to the Emperor Alexander. Count Constan-
ti7.e Ludolf, the Neapolitan Ambassador in London,
goes in the same quality to Constantinople. The
Duke de Gallo has set out for Vienna, not having, it
should seem, been apprised of the order for prevent.
ing hint from crosiing the Austrian frontier.
A Nuremberg article, dated August 28, says.—
" All the public news, and different private letters,
confirm the accounts already received of the ap-
proaching arrival of the Emperor Alexander at Pest.
To-day we are assured that this august Sovereign,
after having passed some weeks at Pest and Vienna,
will visit the southern German Courts, and will then
go to London." The Nuremberg Editor, however,
sagaciously adds, that this news, nevertheless, is of a
nature to merit confirmation. If he should come
here his reception will be somewhat different from
that of 1811.
The Five per Cents. left of on Tuesday at 77f. 35e.

A few days since was rung, at Magdalen College,
Oxford, a complete peal of 5,040, Bob Major, in
three hours and nineteen minutes ; and en Monday
last was rung, at New College, 5,376, of the same
method, in three hours and thirty-five minutes ; being
the first peal ever rung in that University, contanungs
the oixth twenty-four tames wrong and right.