Star.
London, England, 1816-03-07 00:00:00

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,npland did not appear to he'
mild not conceive how this
‘d. Nur did he see how the
Ards were necessary. They
,ed on various occasions, like
'ore he could not approve of u
exceeding that kept up in
•erelore that in this respect a
might be made.' He admitted
lation required some increase
,menr, and he had known in-
tance of a military force was
,of the civil niagistrete: On
,he duty of our troopeatitonti,
might be sent from them to
, that some reduction might',
was afraid it could not be
ild be a saving /ire !olio.
in the Estimates before the
might might be altogether left
salaries of Adjutant•Gerseral;
General, Vtiarter Master General,
"Aster General. All these olh.

the army and received pay
pay in those situations was an
He next called the attention of
' Militia, and observed, that if
• thrown away, It was in this
thought the Local Militia
to the country, more parti-
peace, except -to extend military
)valry he also thought could
had been at one time of ser.

be so, but that time vies gone
ipirit had long since evaporated..
ink their services Worth the
?xpended to continue them.
lnd the, Military Asylum were
vhich he cenceived might be
been created for a time of
necessary in tithe of peace.
that necessity for theinilitary
for if a war broke out, there
-of experienced officers in the
issariat and Barrack Depart.l
• that the expense was teo
ly acquainted with the sub.
to him it had reference more!
time of peace. With regard!
France, he could not agree
I, that it would be better to
than English. If an army
be tholght it better that it
English soldiers; he meant
rhich was the quota of Eng.
other. English troops had
attention to discipline, than
nation, and therefore, in
could better accomplish the
were kept there, than the troops
'-laving said this much on the
estimates, he would wait to
the debate. He would Eaten
' advance in support of tt.e
If their argumerits were suf.
be would vote for them. If
duty to oppose them, and to
some of the items—(Hest).
observed, that this coon.
the situation of a man, who
and expensive establishment,
he different items of his ex-
, separately did not admit of
toubtrdly, on locking 'to our
idea of retrenchment in the
public service would preietit
,hment more particularly in the
This Army wai conceived
and rather dangerous to the
were periods in the' history
less force would have, ' been
had once proved fatal to the
his country. That danger,
apprehended from tier pre.
is it was, but nevertheless
necessary. %Vith regard to
tan to say that the force.new
for by the situation et that
that no other awaits bad
.securing.. its affections, than
subisction.—(Hear, hear)r..
could not see thizessity eff
f nice than had kept up'
w said that several Colonies
the force in England. He.
the same argument might
rine of Mr. Pitt. We bad
from our home four, and
great as what we now pos.;
great a proportion to the army
- to be garrisoned, as. oar
armies.--(Hear, hear.)--The
then contended against the!
regular troops for the stip.i
as tbey would thereby irel
For this service, he thought;
ivalry would be much mere'
tontended against the necessity!
',mews in our several foreign'
,ould not be attacked, from the
our being able to regain pool
of our Navy, and the tack
;porting soldiers from one place
West Indies there Was, he con.
increase the number of forces.
Ite the number to be kept up
son with that which was em.

our enemies disputed the pus-1
admitting the possibility of
. these possessions by ow navy,
vaders in such a state of block-
oblige them to surrender. He
ger occupy the time of the
detail at that hour of the night.
omit to notice the growing
Ishments, at the tench:ion of
which this country bad been
be felt ,convinced, that if the
agreed to, and a new war
the conclusion of the peace
pretext would be held out for a
'utirion.—(//ear, hedr.)—Most
lag merely a supposed tem-
_ such he feared would be the
proixobed Eitialiath teere aiiiipted.

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1411.11.0.51
• force rot. encted•for En
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obvinns. He cc
iortce y/as-to be employkt
• peat I.7rie of the•Guar
would not be-employed
tither troops, and thereto
force of them so mach
179.1. -He thought there
con.iderable redriefon mil
thrt the increase of popish
of .o..tr military establishn
• stances where the assist'
necessary to the support •
ti.e whole, considering the
Nal the supplies which ti
our colonies, he thought
he made, though he es
very !ocit, yet it would
il'lrne were some items i
House, which he though
out. He alluded to the si
Deputy Adjutant Genera
and Deputy Quarter Mast
cers held other ranks in tl
for them, and their pay
Unnecessary expense. Hi
the House to the Local IA
ever money was uselessly
branch sof the army. He
were of no use whatever I
milady in a time of pests
habits. The yeomanry cat
be dispensed with. They
Rice, and were disposed to I
by, and their military spirit
At present he did net this
money which should be e:
The Military College and
items in the • Estimates
well omitted. They hac_
war, and were not ne
There did not now exist th
education of youog men, f
were a sufficient number-a
country. In the Commis:
• menus he could not say
much, not being perfectl:
ject, but as it appeared to
to a state of war than a tit
to the army kept up in F
with what had been said,
keep up foreign troops th
were to be kept there lie
should be composed of E
that part of the army whi
land, rather than of any
ever shewn a more exact a
the troops of any other
j Ft ance their presence co
object for which they were
of any other country. Hi
general principle of the el
hear the termination 14 dm
to wh.it Ministers should
several establishments.
ficient to convince him, hi
• not he sh,tild feel it his di
move an amendment on SI
Mr. WILBERFORCI
try was at present in the
sidled .to reduce a large as
but who in examining the
pf..;•se, thiaglit that each!
much re:in.:Lion. Ultima'
financial resources, the id
dill rent branches of the p
itself, and that retrenchmt
chief branch—the 'Army.
to be ton numerous, and
Constitution, and there n
•of Englaud, when a les
fatal. A smaller army Is
existence of royalty in th
however, could not be a
fent army, constituted as
tome reditetion of it was r
Ireland, he did not meal
kept up was not called to
eoun.ry, but regretted tl
been resorted to for "eel
'bolding it in military sit
—As to England, he sou
hav-ng a much greater foi
by Mr. Pitt. , h was now
were to be supplied from I
would admit this, but I
have been used is the tint
• then Colonies tel supply I
though they were not so g
sessed, yet they bore as gre
by which they were then
Colonies now do to our an
Honourable Member the
policy of employing the
pression of smuggling,
exposed to corruption. Fi
that the Yeomanry Caval
eftioal. He also contee
(-.lf such large establish me
settlements, which would
certainty, there was of cm
tession of them by means
lity we had of trausportiu
to another. In the West
ceived, no necessity to inc.
It was not fair to estimate
* present by a compariso
preyed in times when ow
aG%Slt)n of them with us:
• • . -an attack upon any of the
we could hold the iuvades
ade as would soon oblig
o would not much longer
House in the way of detai
kte could not, however,
ra,.e of Military Establishi
etery successive war in n
Wetly engaged, and be
present Estimates were
were to break out, at tf
subsequent to IP, a pretest
still Inither augmentat•
• evils arose trom consultir
porary connoience, and:
event_ la case the ?WPM(
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