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the H nivel of Coltimons ; •but how mita they vole
it) eonsisteney with their Own &erecter if diq for
one moment considered the tactics of the Noble
Lord? The Resolution for economy was now agreed
to. This was so far very well ; but why was it not
agreed to before ? The answer was obvious
• It was for the best of all possible reasons, because the
Noble Lord and his colleagues would not suffer so
r dangerous a term as the word economy to be regi-
stered on the Journals of that House, for had that
Resolution been there the Noble Lord and his
Friends were in danger. (Chars.) But now it was
. quietly allowed us slip in. (Na... haw.) In a very
' fine pompous manner the Committee were told of the
difference between the last year of war and the first
year of peace. Noaloubt-the expense of the first year
of peace must be admitted to outweigh those of the
last year of war. But there were elements for re-
trenchment *liich a Minister, alive to the interests of
his country, would lay hold of. These had, in au.
tisfactory manner, been pointed out by his Right Ho-
nonrable Friend (Mr. 'Tierney), who, in a manner
that must flash conviction on every mind, had by
item and item, 'hewed that instead of being lessened
they were increased. (Chars.) No symptoms what-
ever of a voluntary nature were shewn by Govern-
ment for any retrenchment. (Near, hear.) Govern.
ment now stood in the situation of men on trial.—
Clamour' ignorant impatience of taxation, and a
thousand similar motives had been applied to the
people in expressing their detestation of the policy
of Ministers. But he called on Gentlemen in that
House, whose minds were unfettered by prejudice—.
he called on theth in conscience to say whether .
they could belieie Ministers had ever one serious
thought of retrenchment had it not been for this chi.-
mour, this ignorant impatience ? (Laid eissrt.)—
He would tell the Noble Lord that that clamour hid
compelled him to do his duty so far, and might, per-
haps, if he did not take care, Llainour him down out
of office.—(Chary.)—A very nice distinction had
been made between clamour out of doors and cla.
mour within doors. To the latter of these he would
call the attention of the Committee, and he would
ask, what did they think it meant ? Why it was imply
this. Had the Member,. who presented Petitions (or
rather the remonstr.ncb of ignor,nt impatience) to
the House. ushered t. mu quietly, with all that suavity
and smoothness so happily practised on the opposite
side, there would have been no clamour. But because
. they did in a manly constitutional manner scorn to
abandon their duty, because they had introduced the
ciAmours of the people, excited by the dereliction of
the Ministers, from their fidelity; because they had
ot,en made these walls to re-echo with- their deter?
mined opposition to the attempts madesto prera down
a people already worn out, they were charged by the
Noble Lord with making a clantour.--. (Lodi chars.)
The cry excited by the people was not to be put down.
The people felt they were insulted. and be implored
Ministers not to treat them any longer with con.
tempt.—( Rear, hear.)
Lo, d CASTLEREAGH bad never objected to
the conduct of the House, except that they wished to
carry questions without discussion; and it was that
fais discussion which he alone wanted, inured of the
dictum of the other side of the House, as the voice of
the country. One Right Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Tierney) had come forward the other night
before the House with formidable preparations and
threats aga'ost Ministers. He had desired the House
Ito listen to them—he would stew them &prism leas'
1 case against Government—he would make out such
a case, that the House could not even go into a Com.
injure in which Government might be heard upon
the subject. But, after all this, the Right Honourable
Gentleman's proposition had been fairly knocked on
the head, and was now thrown upon the defensive.
As to the Honourable Member who spoke last, he
seemed rather more anxious for the conduct of those
who differed from him than of those who agreed with
liim—(lfeer, hear.) The resolution of the Honoura-
ble Member for Wiltshire applied exclusively to the
Clerks, and he (Lord Castlereagh) then suggested,
that this was was not acting upon tbe principle, but
upon the case; and his argument was, that if the
principle was generalised, it would net stand. The
course which be then recommended was, that the
proper time for discussing and voting on the clues.
ion was in the Committee on the Estimates. His
objection to Resolution was because it insinuated
a censure against Government. He did net conceive
that the disposition of the House on that night was.
that the Order in Council of 1809 should be observed
as to the Secretaries bit not as to the Clerks—(Hear.)
As to those who voted against that motion, they did
lit on the ground that the proceeding then was indi-
rect, and that they reserved their opinion and vote
on the real question till the Committee. He was sur-
prised that the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Plan-
keit) should have condescended to lead himselfto the
point of impression, and not to the point of ergo.
meat--(Hear, hear, hear.)
Mr. METHUEN said no man could hesitate one
moment in saying that Government were improvi-
dent in every thing they possibly could be.—(Heer).
The Noble Lord spoke of two parties being made ie
that House: but he would ask him, where were
these two parties ? Did not the House know that the
point of discussion was between his Majesty's GO.l
vernment and the Public ? And he assured the Noble
Lord, he had but little knowledge of British spirit, if
he supposed it would be put down by any inch argu.
aunt as that he made use of. Britons knew their
rights, and they felt these rights had been wantonly
invaded. To them. and them only. was the Noble
Lord responsible—with than, not with the House,
. he had an important account to settle. (Chars.)
Mr. PONSONBY considered the Noble Lord as
. altogether impatient at the discussion of the Esti.
• mates. Give es the whole l was the cry.. But be
hoped that every man who thought that there was ex.
travagance in any one item would vote against this
~ Resolution.

Mr. CROKER repeated his former statements.
Mr. BANIES then withdrew his motion, and pro.
posed, as an Amendment, that the Chairman should
report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The House then divided, when there were—For the
Amendment, 85; against it, 168—Majority against
it, 78. The disCussion then proceeded on the ori-
ginal question.
Mr. BARING proposed, as an Amendment, that
the sum of £57,7513 might be substituted for the sum
proposed.
Mr, CALCRAFT ;bought it would We amide'