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to give, give in the spirit of conciliation and.harmony.
. He would say to the 11.-sman Catholic, receive with the
gratitude which the grant silo great a boon deserves;
show that your religion, which has been Ito often de.
scribed as a religion of bigotry and intolerancer is id
reality a religion of charity and liberality; shoe thif
you only sddght to. gOrelnit and prolteted by the
la •v !Vali y with your Protestant fellow-subjects; show
chit yoti are sensiblect the value of the same Comas
yod are nal only ssible: of the value of
it, but chit. you understand its nature, its landmarks,
turd'its beauty. Thee, indeed, he thought this Bill, so
far from eel:Nei/fang the security of the State,. would
strenitbeff it agisitiU all rite machination of its itieedee;
then, indeed, might his Noble Friend say- that he had
brought forward a measure width would ensure the
peace and tranquillity of the country—then might he
lay down his head upon his pillow, and feel a full com-
pensation for the sacrifice of his time, the nail:* of
his feelings, and he hoped he might not add, the 'seri-
, fice of his corporeal health. He felt that he bad occu-
pie,i too muck of their Lordshipetime ; but he so rarely
took' the liberty of addressing them that he was sore they
would excuse him. He had already voted for going
into a Committee on this Bill, but he mast repeat what
he had before said, that if in the Committee sufficient
securities were not provided with the Bill, he should
be unable to extend to it his farther support.
The Earl of CLANCARTY said that he had fre-
quently offered himself to their Lordships attention,
and had not found an opportunity of addressing them,
and he now rejoiced that he ,had not procured a hear-
ing; for, though he had much to say, his sentiments
had alteady been expressed by other Noble lords in
language much more forcible than any he could make
use nf; but there was one subject which had been but
sliAbtly touched upon—he meant the time Ind occasion
01 passing the present Biil. He had himself at all tinsel
been des rows that when the proper time and occasion
should arrive, the remaining disabilities under which
the Catholics labour should be taken into the considers.
t on of t'c Legislature, with a view towards their
'vat, as far` as could be done consistent with the se-
curity id the 11.0 e.txnt Constitution and the Protestant
C4torch ; bat, so diarently di.l circumstances act upon
different minds, that the reasons which hid been urged
for the removal of those disabilities at present w-re, in
his opinion, the very reasons which should prevent their
. removal. The violent and outrageous conduct of the
Raman Catholics—he said the Roman Catholics, for a
great number of them had taken part in the proceed-
ings of the Association ; all had acquiesced, and none
had remonstrated against them—that conduct, so far
from producing the same effect upon his mind as it
had on the minds of other Noble Lords, had even
weakened the desire he had bad of making further con-
cessions. Ile had always agreed with that great states-
man, who had laid down two positions as necessary to
. precede the introduction of this measure. The first- wai
the good bthaviour of tile Catholics, which would show
that it was safe to pass the measure; the next was, and
indeed it must be a consequence of such good behaviour,
the anxious desire of the whole nation that it should be
passed. He drought that neither of these at present ex-
isted ; run ;he contrary, the very reverse was the ease.
Ile th.nght their Lordships wool-it! agree with him that'
the Catholic A.sociation, that misbegotten monsters
h id never been opposed in its proceedings—that it
had never been effectively resisted by those authorities
which his Majesty had sent into Ireland—and in laser
ti ova it had nut only not been opposed, but absolutely
encouraged by the bush Government. He hoped their
Lordships would pardon him, but, if he recollected
right, the Noh!e Marquis who had spoken, he believed,
on the second night • f the debate, and who had lately
presided over that country, had very indignantly
pleaded not guilty to the charge of having encouraged
theßomatiCatholic Association. He wt' uld ask the Noble
Marquis, and he reqiiested him on some future occa-
sion, on this day, if he was so disposed, to give an
Passer to the qoestion which he now proposed, whe.
Cher be had not esescisrd the highest prerogative of the
Crown in liberating an officer of that Association from
• punishment to which he bad been condemned? He
seculd ask, what was the case of that liberation—what
was the nature of the report which he had received
with regard to that individual's health—whether it had
been favourable-or otherwise—whether any arrange-
ment had been made with the physicians—whether any
apology had been made to those respectable Magis-
trates of lbe county in which he resided, and who had
been grossly libelled—and whether any security was
given that these should be no recurrence of the cir-
cumstance ? He believed the individual to whom
be alluded was a Diplomatic Agent or Envoy from the
Catholic Association to this country. lie had taken the
liberty of mentioning the circumstance in a letter to
the Chief Secretary far Ireland, and he was told that the
Irish Goveinmert were responsible lir what was done.
Ile begged their Lordships to recollect what the con-
duct of the Government had been with regard to that
body for the last six years. Had not the most unac-'
countable apathy prevailed ? Had not his Majesty's
authority been placed in abeyance? He had almost
said it had been ahricated in Ireland. The consequence
was, that that monster, the Association, had grown up
to such a size that it had astonished even those who
nurtured it. A proclamation had been issued offering
the highest reward for sedition. Under these circum-
stances he thought the present Act would be most per-
nicious. It would leave all the mischief without doing
any good. It did not in airy way grapple with the evil.
He was, however, as anxious as the Noble Doke him-
eel( could be that this 818 would answer the intention
for which it was designed, and when it should have
passed, and pass he knew it must, he would show his
sincerity by using every effort and all the itifluerhe lie
possessed in Ireland to bring about the intentions of it,
and secure the tranquillity of the, count, y.
The Marquis of ANGLESEY would not presume
to point out the course which the Noble Lott, should
have taken; but if he had any accusation to make
against any or their Lordships, instead of coming (load
with a string of questions which it was almost impossi.
ble for any one to be prepared to answer at once, he
should have had the courtesy to give some wiitt
tice before he would have proceeded with this accusa-
tion. It appealed to him that the course which the
Noble Lord had taken wires waste of time; but il, after
the greet measure under their Lordships consideratimi
were disposed a f (for until that was dont he would
antes into no explanatiowwith regard to his conduct).
the Noble Lord should be disposed to put the questions
to him either with regard to, his having liberated Mr.
Eneas *Donn 11 from prison, or any other matter
connected with his administration in Ireland, be should
not only ansf‘er the Noble Lord, but thank him far ,
wining him an opportunity of entering• into an expla-
nation of the course which he conlidered it his duty tb
pursue.
The Doke of WELLINGTON said: that, althoogh
it might not be the duil of the Noble Marquis to answer
the vies/ions proposed by. his Noble Friends yet he (the
Duke of Wellington) lcl it his duty, as being a party

to the measures referred to, to reply to him, He
to remind hit Noble Friend that the reasons „tr.:
gave for bringing in the plant =tante, resultiuffeell
the elite of Ireland, were paramount to any considerait
done referring to theconduet of the Catholic Anode.
lion, or generally to the Roman Catholics of Ireland.
Thole raison, had reference to the peace and security
of the State. The former might have been sacrificed if
he bed done nothing—the latter, if be het) taken those
extreme measuhet which some Noble Lords seemed to
reecimiebod. Hit Noble Friend seemed to have left
entirely oat of his consideration the Bill to put dowh
the Catholic Association,which had been passed a month
ageit To this Bill the Aubciatiod bad' already Whetted,
and it now ;to longer existed.: But when the Nobli
Lord stated that that body received encouragement
kom the Government he produced as-a proof of it the
pardon which the Grevermeent hat extended to a Gen-
tlemen who had' been impritoned for a libel: The fact
was that this Gentleman had beep imprisoned, and the
report which was given of the state of his health was
such, that it appeared his life would have been sacri
ficed if he was suffered to contintein ebnfinement. He
(the Duke of Wellington) coaddered that under these-
circumstances his Majesty's servants 'Would not hay
done their duty if they had not ordered his release,. fie
begged pardon if his Noble Friend war private" ins'
(crested in this Gentleman's confinerhent ; but his Mm
jetty's servants had a public duty to perforni, and would
have been responsible, especially the Noble Marquise'
if they had not taken the course they did. Hating said,
so much, he hoped their Lordships would not be troubled
with Ay more questions of this description,Which could
only interrupt the business of the House, to which ther
had do reference. He would now answer sortie °hierr
vations which had been made by his Noble Friend (the
Duke of Rutland), far whom he bad a high respret,and.
whose speech he had heard with great admiration. • U
hiscouldtdo 'any thing which would gratify his Noble
Friend, he would certainly do it; but he most beg to
remind his Noble Friend, that there was no such thing
known in the British Constitution as the office of him*
Minister. The First lend of the Treasory generally
performed the duties of that office, and so he thought
he ought for several reasons, which was not now neces-
sary to explain. The Lord of the Privy Seal, or any
other of his Majesty's Ministry, might, in fait, holdthir
office' the duties of which were not defined, and could'
not, of course, be guarded against by Act of Parliaa
meat. The provisions of the Bill are, that these offices
generally embracing ecclesi4Sfitai patronage; were not
to be held by Raman Catholic's.
Lord COLVILLE was ex. tern. lr one Mina to obtrude
himself on their Lordship. attention, but as this was
the only opportunity which he brad of expressing his
opiditni, and, as he might, perhaps, never again me. to
addreis their Lordships, he could not content himself
with giving a silent vote. He would have gone any
length, or done any thing, to have influeheed their
Lordships to abstain from the ptesent Measure; but the
feeling of this was different. It scented decided that
the measure was to be carried, and he hoped it would
do good. He was slay that on this occasion he stood
opposed to those Noble Lord( With whom belied 'belle
acted, and for whose opinions he bad the highest respect.
He did not allude to the Noble Duke, for he had nd
claim to the honour of his friendship; bet ante were
those Noble Lords whose friendship, on private arid
political grounds, he Should be sorry to lose. He and
those who thought with him on this question might
perhaps be deficient in talent. He bad not joined with
the young talent of the eobntry, which bid been so
much spoken of, but be was proud of joining the banoeri
of the experienced politicians of the country. He should
never have opposed this Bill if he saw any compensation
in it fair what they were to grant; but he thought they
Were about to make a great sacrifice stilh no certain
equivalent. He thought this measure would leave behind
more Catholic questions, and, what was worse, more
Catholic agitators, and, though they Might yield to
what they considered necessity, he denied the honour
or consistency of pursuing this course. With regard to
those Noble Lords who bad constantly, consistently,
and honour ably advocated this measure, he confessed hke
envied them that this dieattne, to the success of Which
they bad devoted, their lives, was about to be achieved;
and he lamented that that great man who had fallen a
victim to it, and bad descended into his 4rave on Ac-
count of hit anxiety to pass it, was not living to winien
its success. For his own past, he felt himself bound to
oppose the Medial:o to the utmost, but he should not
again raise his voice. He could not say that any new
light had broken in open his mind on the subject, irrid
he would refer their Lordships w the Tait speeCh %Aids
the late Lord Liverpool had delivered on this subject
in confirmation of his opinion—(Tate Noble Lord here
read an extract frost a speech of tete Earl of Liverpool,
declaring his opinion that, as loog as the if.tedi
continue to be Protestant, it was essential that the'
Throne and the Legislature should be Protestant).i4f
this Bill should pass, he thought Great Britain *Mild
no longer tie Protestant. Ti.e evil Might not be Wine-
diate. but it would be ileei.able.
The Lail of LONGFORD. althotigh he was avride.'
the subject hid been vet y hilly discussed, cod)J not
give a saint vote. n the subject. Froth (he coentatate-
ment he had con; is ently, conscirniiuusly, and sted-
fastly opposed this measure: He disapproved of the
marber in which it had been intvdsted, and he dig-
approeid of the ha to with which it bid, been ptessei
upon them—he disapproved of having taken the coun-
try by surprise, for, whatever might have keen laid of
the couture being prepared for it, hO (*Used Mite-
tenths of the Member: df PJrliadiloit, Ind ninety dins i
out of every hundred of tho 4 Farliatifient, did
net expect that this intiasnee would be introduced. He
acquitted his Noble Bastion altogether of any such
frdertiiort. He was ateire Olt the ineaable hail been
agitated in various P.iliaMents, bui it seas agitated
wader very different ciicumatances than it resent. It
lied before been br_iaght in by the Whigs. But who
Wire the Whigi? Were thej not distipproeed of *bile
jib ofbie, led dislifted if hen Out of it ?. At pieseitt the
eisea-ure was to be carried in a c ,mpuliOry manna, and
,the Jtd not mean any thing distespectful by the tam)
Bite bete to tot self:lipped bf Hii tfiryttititi
Nos Pr tiidtrd on ilia idintiatitOle 0:n4'01,011i in a rarit•
tesiant State floinan Catholics should possess no poli-
tical power. The present measure was a gteat innota.'
tion, and it ought not to be effected without the con-
sent of the country. Their had no duty sd
stiongli iniumbet-t on theM as the tuff of arresting its
poke's. The Catholic: had been dedirdiled of all
power by laws which Viet thceight tieret; it wal
but ni4fuiiil they shbiild Wish lb kigiih it. Flo/
himself he did not fear die would heiothe
POpish again, rir that he should ever see ti,e Pope ori
flit tvorilsaek ; but the i.bjeet of the Cs:holies was to
iegalit the peliilE4l tagdgiat aisles they had lOit.
From ibisresoftesi the din er cif adiiiitting deli to
poser in the tate. Ile objected to Popery on
eal gintstitfihe lodlied do tht< C4thdlie Church salmi
di b drat IMMO istiff MK Ifs thd light of a tell=
glens corporation; it wee not subject to tie
of the Sus, Wagit subjected the tadiotii hity Wit;

owa power through the influence of the clergy. Why
I glie prriver to such a body ? Dld three it by'
their pest conduct or present eroffilssionst Look to thee
conduct and the con'tlitet the'Catholie Association,'
thtfir declaration of abkdrreate ofthe Church,. and their
dtOtigss' of effecting a separation. It had been wild. that
thteitholics had a setraratelintetest, beelsesarthey were
'landed from political power ; but the fact was, that.
they wire excluded because they had a political interest
not merely separate from the State but hostile to it.
He had-no hostile feeling against individual Catholics,.
but he knew their religious opinions were immutable,
and admitted no interference on the part of the State.
For these, reasserts he wes•bpposed to the, Bill.
The Bishop of LLANDAFF said it was a subject of
pain to: hiltto•difrcie on this qbestion front. Many os his
Rev. Brethren on' thtbetteli. Irwat atm t rain to hist%
a. a Bishop. to dilfrr from the snajotity of the community
to which. he belonged'. If he thought their opinion was
correct hit pain would be greater; Writ' was.consider-
ably mitigated by the reflection that the public mind
was labouring under a delution on' the' tru character
of the. measure before the House, though tens of thou'
sands h.d presented petitions against it. He bet
sieved they signed them under a false impression
that it was calculated to wbrk a change on tie
religion of the country; that was e: rota too pal-
pable to requite refutatiel. It had been used as an
argument against this Bill that it was founded on ex-
pediency, as'if eipedkney' mutt be necessarily opposed
ttreashrs, jostler, atof religion'. Nirte-tenths of the Acts
of their Lordships Mile began with " whereas it was
expedieet.* The present question wrayboa religious one;
inasmuch as' it ienolved die interest. of religion; but it
certainly was not's theoretical one. The Bitt meditated
no change in the doctrines, faitf, or discipline of the P.a.
testant Church; nor any appinximation between the
Church of England and that of It.tine.which we It'd de-
clared corfopt. It was &great, en old,andotten exit! .ded
error to say that theCatlsolics were excluded from power
on account of their corrupt religiour docti ines ; yet able
writers had lately attempted toinllanse the public mind
by dwelling on the corruptions of the' Catholic religion,
and adding that, in admittidg Catholic's to poster. we:
were associating. idolaters rsith the State. Toast was not
the fact. Roman Catholics, in their general. religion,
*outdo* be justly called seperstirions 611 idolatroes—.
the asseftiOn was ntijostifiable. The Protestant Church'
acknowledged. that Roman Catholics were members of
d* Church of Grilse. W. admitted their bapti+m
add theitotdinititstr; id feet, if wstthrirogh them that.
Christi anity was t. to the Protestant Cho« h.
The present question was not one cf religion, but of
policy., It was not necessary to exclude the Catholics.
kora seateiti Parliament on the round that teligiou.,
interests may be brourit int 6 &cession; lor" if had
•
been ascertained, on inquit y, that the religiou qireetionw
discussed in Parliameat did net amount to one teeth of
the whole number of Parliamentary questions. Ile
would not no that 6ce4qtre g' kite w kitten ical'avt* I
• ( the penal law*, after& g tl;e Catiwili:cs. Thew laws
were not neces.nry not lAngrer.. and it became a ques-
tion of portel Wm. ells intro holing to re.nowee those
galling feelsit:tiofle.hoes'thlittt feffeeNebjecrs; As to
the assertion that the'Cl.triai 'of Ireland woul4 be en-
dangered by the measure, be believed that thiChurch
of Ireland would remain united with the Church of
England while Ireland continued united with England.
In the words of a solemn ceremony of the Church, we
of the Church of England may say of the Church of
Ireland, is we have teams her for better for wot se, for
'richer for poorer, in sickness and in health," and we
were bound .to support her weakness by our strength.
Where, then, could be the danger to the Church of
Ireland While she was united to the Church of Eng-
land ? And how could the Church of England be en-
dangered while the King sas bound br law to be of
the Protestant faith? The Learned Pt elate concluded
expressing his approbation of the Bill.

The of LINCOLN and BRISTOL opposed rise MIL
LartilliterNYON said that, although it was imporsible
feet him t-r hope to be able to say arty thing new upon
this Mbject, yet he could dot, consi.tentty *kb his sense
of duty, remain silent. The motives the Nahle Duke
had assigned for bringing forward this measure might,
no doubt, be very satisfactory to himself, bet to him
Chet tippea'red highly unssitisfactott. Upon the grounds
the Noble Diiki had stated, the present was a measore
which might have been proposed at any time within
these fivessind-twenty Yeats, and there was hardly any
tither time aktehich it miglft not have been brought
forward With gteater advantage to the Protestant Es-
tablishment. The manner, too, in which it had been
brought forward, *at highly prejudicial to the interests
of theconntry, and had excited the dined:face of of the
great majority of the people. He repeatathat it had rx
cited the dissatisfaction of the great majority of the
potpie. From what diitant parts of Scotland and Ire-
land had they not received exprenkins of dissatisfaction
At the instinct' in *filth the measure was brtoght (Or-
val d ? The private accounts be had received also wars
tented him in iiying that dissatisfaction and disgust
gideral througlmot the country. The Noble Duke
(Wellington) seem dto think that this measure would
have the effect of tranquill,n'ng Ireland, and the lal-
sified fears expressed at the true of the U..ion with Scot-
land were brought I. rward as an arguineit its stepson
of the hope enteltaided by tire Noble Duke. But there
*Ere seietal vtiy gtiod seasons why a onion, such as
Jas now contemplated with Iceland, would not have
the sane beneficial elects as bad been produced by that
*rth Scotland. The chief reason why the same harmony
ihdrild prdeail between Great Britain and Ireland
as there had been between England and Scotland was,
that the religion which we found prevalent in Scotland
was the eitablished (elision of the county, and the
priesthood had nothing to contend fat; whilst in behind
the faillen of the majori'y was not the established re-
ligion of the country, and its priesthood bad an interest
in keepentaN4e Bat then it was said that
the Cathefic Astoefetion Mini be (got rid of at any price,
and the Noble Duke seemed to thank there as no other
way of doidg it than 6Y liking its embitters and incor-
porating Mena the Legislature of the country, and
making them parties,as it vrere,to the measure necessary
for the eftildish meet of the King's authority in Ireland.
NOW, on thif pniht bb did tiot think the connuy bad
ban Atilt faiii7 viith, foi the Government bad not ex-
erted kith; to put down the Association. He did not
Mean to thirge the Noble Duke specially (*singly
iikh thik lbattention to the interests of- the country,for
he thotighi the same blame Vial imputable toad the
other Governments, more or less, that see had had for
some year' pan. Other Government% however, had
not tali *diming. of their misconduct to justify a
on other pounds, itai not justifiable
it all. the Noble Marquis (Anglesey) who spoke at
the table told them that behold power sufficient at hi?
ebnittikbd tO 1111,1 pet deem the Catholic AssOciatiou,
had did GOVerfilNetit at hblhe directed him to do toe:-
HO*, i jis a, could ilieGriverninent defend itself io, thwitbs
possibility 6f putthigdalin the Association, audit:mein*
Phis Mbet ellNlftlaatile althea MpcO theni ? He felt the
ifittliketotl elidil CO tge &atilt(' . ks confident
iii► wpttitiSle tat it iliould effect the benefit

pce.edw.ithe tranquillizaloo of telande flow et. k
rumble to imagine that five rainiest); f Catholics wow,'
Ise satisfied with theextent to which this Bill went, Plan
it was clear it would cooler no real benefit on the snit
of the people? When they shall have fodnd that all
thP expects i ins of comics t and enjoyment held oat bp
them as the consequences of passing this Bill acre mill
as far from them as ever, would not that large imp,.
latinir be still arvaileble foralf-thepurposeaof mischiefs
in which their priests and the "agitators, who,e object
would be by no means gained by this Ball, might choose
to direet-them? There am onerpoitte more to which
hr bet; god m direct- the, • Lord sh ips' attention be inie he
sae down; It relatedtrr the coronation oath. Thaw
whoihad stated.that they thought thin measure weld
riouirays consistently with the coronation oath haebew
calledcoponito state whethee they persevered in amis.
tainiorthat opinion.? He did• for cur.—inch when am
oaths was in,quraticio, thought`no argumra td• expo,
diencyrfor that was lonely all they had. heard ape.
the subject,- should he allowed income in. Accentual
to the ptinciples of the Protestant faith. iic.htt %imam;
an oath once taken could not be. violated. trim anf
principle of expediency. He woold not say that se
inecessitravight nut pacify a man. in breaking
through an oath ; but the necessity ought precisely and
dire:racily Ps be inadwocu--nught, in short, t•, be t Re,
cessity whirl, eves y man could see. Necessity and ea.,
pediency were widely different it their ptincipks; no
expediency justified the breaking of air path, whil4
neces,ity might ccmprt it. By his cororiatscat ioath hia
Majesty bound himself to preserve the .Piote.tant inn •
terests of this country. Now„how be mulch .ceolisteroly
with the spirit of that oathrgive his coo, en( so a fbea.non
which must raise up a powerful enemy soothe Protestant,
establishment, he ( Lord. Keay°. ) could net innegi„e,
No person who considered the sacred ot.liptioui of as
oath, and the masons for which his Majesty s fainily had
bees placed t•. on the throne, could say that ihe paw,/
of the present Bill was consistent with the spirit of use
co. marina oath..

The House then resolved Wel! foto the Committee—.00 the
preanaile being read,
' Lord lt EDESDALE considered that the
bm.efit to be expected Wont this 'stemma was the br eves
theCathotie Clergy somewhat from under the corniest
of the Pope, as the Catholic Ovary and Noblemen vito
came ituo Parliament would necessarily have some is.
fi.ieriett oveethens. Any amendmeut he should hem.
tier propose would hot the increase of this seFority
for its; obleet.
Ilie• preamble was thaw' agreed to.
Oa she Ara clause-bast read,
L rd FARNHAM thought this clause contained
the essence of the Hill, as it contained the derlaratios
which formed the only bulwark elected against thead•
iwission of the Homan Catholics into Parliament, dad
I therefore thought that upon this clause alone the goat
principle of the Bill might be argued. lie would set
entsr into the question as to whether or w t the oitbs
were an essenti it part -of.the settlement at the•lleirklui.
(ion of 1688. I had been argued in debate whether the
Room( Catholics sere excluded boas the Comtitutim
on religious or civil grosiodt? For his.part, he thous*
they were excluded ow both accounts, for he, thought
the religion of the Catholics could not be separated
from their politics*--(Heac, hear). He would not eons
into the question cf how far it was fit that P.apists
should have the administration of a notestaot county,
nor would he now deny that it was necessary for a
man to profess Christisnity to bare the govermliem
of the country, or that be might not be a Mahone-
tan; but he. would contend, that all the professes
of a religion which disturbed the relations between
man and man shoultinot be employed in the adniieir
tration of a country thnshalority of whose inhathitam
professed a different religion. Now, the religion pee-
fessed by the Ralson Catholics did intake* too much
with the temporal affairs of a country. iHe did am
speak of. those Roman Catholics who, like some Pio.
tenants, would find any religion sit so loosely opoa
them as to be said to have fibetal principles, but of
the religion of a cOnltinit^ons Roman Catholic. Of
such a Roman Catholic duti

it :as the ly to oppose
the interests (.1 'be Established Much to the utmost
of his pewee. The oath which the nest :clause obliged
the Catbelie to take was no solid security, for it was
an oath of opinion, which might change every day.
It had been said that the union between the Churches of
England and Ireland was indissoluble; but hum what
tell the oche, nightfrom the Reverend Lord who ta,sraltr
tit near the Woolsack, it would appear that si,divesce
was by so means impossible. The fri.h Chute's, Este.
blishment was in imminent danger; and in another
place the ether night. a proposition was made to ccisifii-
care its reveals, b at the very moment it was being de-
fended in that House. Indeed, so ready did its eoetnies
seem to pounce upon their prey, that they would hardly
wait till it had received its death blow. Supposing
there were only fifty Members now in the other Hoes*
f Parliament willing to confiscate the revenues of ibe
frisk Church, was it to be supposed that they, joined to
fifty. Catholics, would not be able to compel any Aci•
ministration to do what they pleased ? The Noble Lord
was Foe, eding to observe on the Dish anchisement Bill,
when.
Lord HA R DWICY spoke to order, sod reminded the Nobk
Lord that they were in Committee, and that be had been spathes
es the principle of the Bill ever since be had risen. '
Lord FARNHAM contended that as the first enaw
fog clause contained the essence of the Bill, he had •
Might to enter into it most fully. The Noble Lord thee
proceeded to argue that the tranquillity of heland aas
not likely to be restored by this Bill on account of the
disfranchisement of the forty shilling freeholdeis. Irked
the Dish agitator* had pledged themselves to•inake
subject for agitatitlai. He dad not mean to deny that
the Government had acted rightly in making the in's-
sur e one of complete concession. If they thought the mea-
sure proper, they were right in not legislating by halves;
but, as be thought it an improper measure, he shoed
oppose it.
Tbe llitaryth of Lexammaar and the Bari *of idianneserie
'whined.
The Earl of ELDON said, that unleef he too had
changed his opinion, it was impossible for him to eddies
the House to any effect, as be could only repeat his ob-
jettlons to this Roman Catholic Relief B,U. The Noble
and Learned Lord then read the preamble 'of the Bill,
sad said that be objected to it; and to the eery first past
to she dimming clause it was impossible be could agree.
After declaring that Roman Catholics seed not tike dye
Oath of supremacy, nor subscribe the declarations airtime
transubstantioo, the invocation of saints, and the sacra•
latent of the massefor the purpose of sitting in Parliament,
or holding any office in the State—this clause, and owl
ether clause in theßill was open to the same objectinnstbag
le respect to the supremacy of the Crown of Eaglaid
every Protestant was still bound to take the Oath ef
Supremacy. No man could take the oaths their Loa'
Ships bad taken, and accettat for it satisfactorily to his
awn mind, if he voted for this Bill, according to his (Lowl
.E.'s) view.of the oath.. He hefted their. /..ordahiPs
recollect that the great. Lord hefted
bad ear
stated that " Parliament bad as good a right to
this Bill of Rights as the Statute requiring the
Saiiredtitt. But bf t6Zs 11111-the Protyvtaat wad stal