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the gallant General's friend—(Hear, hear, heat). He
most know the ground such a body would cover.
But the only thing ;his body wanted was—arms.
Now the only thing they wished to take from the
Army was arms: the men were very good men. As
to thc disaffection which was represented as existing
in this country, he was convinced there was none but
what naturally. arose from witnessing what was, in
his opinion, justly considered a system of misgovern-
ment. There was no disaffection which it required
arms to repress. In 1749,•f0ur years after the Pre-
tender had been in Derby, and in 1792, when the
Constitution was to have been upset, 41 positively
for the last time of upsetting!" (A laugh)—the Army
amounted to nothing like its present numbers.• What,
then, was the experience of recent dines whkh justi-
fied the departure from the old system ? In the City
of London, Mr. Alderman Wood had suppressed an
insurrection with 30 constables !—(11,-ar)—at Derby
a rebellion had been quelled by one Magistrate and
an Officer; at Manchester 100,000 of the people had
been dispersed by forty flurried (he would not say
drunken) Yeomen. As to the blasphemous and se-
ditious publications, would 11,000 seldier s prevent
the people from reading ?—(Hear, hear). If there
was no cause of complaint, all the publications that
could be addressed to the People would pass un-
heeded. To take away the matter of complaint was
the way of removing discontent ; and while the mat-
ter remained, he hoped ninety-two thousand, or
ninety-two hundred thousand men, would not be able
to suppress the voice of the People !—(Hear, hears.
Mr. V, FITZGERALD strongly urged the neces-
sity of maintaining a large force in Ireland in the
present disturbed state of the west of that country.
In Clare the speedy presence of a military force had
prevented the most alarming disturbances ; and into
the County of Galway alone one-fourth of the whole
number assigned to Ireland had lately been sent, and
had been found absolutely necessary for the preser-
vation of the peace.
Mr. W:SMIT H observed, that the propriety of a reduction
of the army was always admitted a but the time sever came. A
severer satire could not be passed against the mode of govern.
ment in Ireland than the necessity for a large military force in
that country. The bulk of the people was loyal; but those
above the lower ranks were much dissatisfied from the pressure
of the public burthens ; and when they found a proposal like die
present, that would save half a million;rejected ; from being
discontented, they would become hopeless. •
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) would tell the Hon. Gentlemen
opposite the reason why be thought a large Standing Army ne-
cessary. They themselves were in a great degree the arise of
its being kept up, by perpetually saying that the Government of
the country had no feeling for the suffetings of the myriads that
were starving, whilst it was in their power to administer relief.
He would gravely ask those Gentlemen whether, by putting
such arguments in the mouths of the Radicals, they did not
afford them a pretence to meet in arms to depose a 'Government
so destructive to the country P—(Metre, hoar, and lasighter.)—
lie entreated those Gentlemen, if they wished to do away
with the Standing Army, to have dons with such arguments.
He entreated them, if they wished for peace, to tell the
People that the Government were doing all they could to ad-
minister relief. He then regretted that questions should have
been put to the Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting the
propriety o( making advances of money to relieve the dis-
tress now experienced in the South and West of . Ireland.—
As he thought that the motion which be had made from the
gallery, in the lest Session of the late Parliament, bad served
to recommend the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Hallam)
to his seat, he should make no apology to him for what he had
then said. At the same time be must say, that that Hon.
Gentleman had given an example bow far a man could be im-
proved by the company which he kept !—(Laughter).—He con-
gratulated him on the temper and moderation with which he
had spoken I—(Ln:4e-in).—He had never heard a more Consti-
tutional speech from the batches, or the Gentlemen by whom
the Honourable Member was surrounded !--(Laughter).—Bat
let him not hope that be should be able to reform them as far
as he had been reformed himself. He (Mr. Martin) had never
seen a speech more radically reformed, compared with that
with which he had expected the Hon. Member would have
entertained the House--(Leatester).—lf the mob had been told
that the Ilouse were not their legitimate Representatives--
1 Order, order .I)—if they had been told to come and take Mem-
bers by the ears and drag them out !—(Gerserol cries ej " Order,
order ! ' " chair I").
The SPEAKER here interposed, and observed, that the allu-
sion just made was contrary to the rules of the House. •
Mr. MARTIN said, that if the expression was so offensive,
it did not drew much delicacy to sit with one who had made use
of it—(Loud calls y' " Chair, chair!")
The SPEAKER observed, that he was sure the Honourable
Gentleman would thank him for calling him to order, as the ob-
servation might seem to lave a personal allusion, which he was
certain could not be the intention of the Hon. Gentleman.

Mr. MARTIN disclaimed any intention of king personal,
and apologized if he had transgressed the rules of the House.
The House then divided :—For the original number, 101—
For the Amendment, 47—Majority, 54.

COMMITTER OF SUPPLY.
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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Order of the Dal for the House going into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. CREEK litY put it to the Right Honourable Getitieman,
whether he would at that hour (eleven o'clock) think of dis-
cussing the Miscellaneous Estimates?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that
at the Budget would not come on till Monday, it would be at.
tended with inconvenience to the public service, if he did not
take some votes on account of the Interest of Exchequer Bills,
which could lead to no discussion.

The following sums were then voted :
X 1,092,000 for tie interest of Exchequer Bills on the Irish
'reasury.
£410,000 for Exchequer Bills.
X13,.500,000 for the Interest of Exchequer Bills niestanding
ad unprovided, for isle.
£978,000 for the Interest of Exchequer Bills on account of
to Public Works and Fisheries.

The House resumed, and the Report was ordered so be re-
ctived on Friday, to which day the Committee o( Ways and
Means was postponed.
The other Orders were then disposed of, and the House ad-
journed to Friday.