Star.
London, England, 1816-06-15 00:00:00

FRENCH PAPERS.

• PAW. JUNE 11.
By a telegraphic dispatch from Lyons, dated the
9th, at two in the afternoon, the Prefect of the Rhone

announce'—
''. Her Royal Highneis the Duchess de Berri, who
arrived here yesterday in good health at three in the
afternoon, has passed a very good night. She will
visit taday the establishments of Lyons."
The Duke of Wellington bunted the day before
yesterday with the Duke de Berri.
Some federes have been arrested at Caen, who held
`meetings and made seditious speeches.
General Bonnaire and Lieutenant Mietton have
appealed against their sentences.
Twenty-eight persons have been put in a state of
accusation, in the affair called if 7h. Conspiracy of
1816," The otter of the Royal Court, directing
them 01 appear before the Court of Assizes, will be
signal's /tomorrow, and the trial will take place in
. the end of this Month. .
COURT OF ASSIZES.
TIBIAL OE THE AUTHORS, EDITORS, &C. OF THE RAIN
TRICOLOR&

steams Of TilE 10TH JIM&
• The Court of Assizes this day commenced the trial
of the following persons, viz :
1. Pierre-Spiridion Dufey, aged 43, styling himself Advocate
and Mont Letters. with having et:ited anti delivered to the
Press, writings containing instigations both direct and indirect, to
glerthrbw the Ouveronsent, and change the order of buccession to
the Throne.
& Robert Babeef, aged SO, with having prepared, edited,
111111111111tted to the press, diuributed, and sold the same writings.
Illisidelss Bouquet. aged s 6, Printing Bookseller at Troyes,
vddlibroky printed them.
4. Osterges-Csnatantin Zenowits, called Constanttni, aged ss,
in the service of France, born at Polak, in Poland, with
Oartisipetlen in their preparation and distribution.
& Jaques Joseph Laurens-lbeaupre, Bookseller, in the Pahl,
Royal, with having distributed and sold the said writing'.
, All these crimes are specified in Article 4, of the
We of the Sd oftlgovember, 1815, and are punisha-
• It appeared in evidence, that in the month of
March, 1815, Babeuf tarried on the business of a
bookseller at Lyons. On the arrival uC Bonaparte,
be quitted his shop; assumed a military dress, and
'secant; one of the most furious firebrands of the re-
volt. He proceeded towards Paris by the route of
Champagne,. for the purpose of distributing the Pro-
clamatious•of the Usurper en his way. On the 20th
of March, he reached Troyes, and instantly the tri-
coloured flag was substituted for the white. Here
be employed Bouquet, a printer of the place, to re-
print the froclamations. This was the first connec-:
!ion between them. Last January Babeuf proposed
to Bouquet to print, in conlisaction with him, a
Monthly ,Publication, to be called, the Nal Tricolors,
for private circulation-=to which he agreed. The
first Kuspber was printed and published—but the
second wes seized by she Police. The nature of the
publication is thus described in the indictment :
•Y lb sublime character of the King, and the noble sentiments
dais fatal, insulted ; the Government defamed; reiterated al-
to new catastrophe announced as near at hand, and
which monist apin force the legitimise Sovereign to leave the
of bity6tberal—eBach is the substance of this abominable
in_whigh the most pure virtue is alternately made the object
doe crhninstions sad the bittereet sarcasms."
' The cover of the pamphlet was of three colours ;
,but they were intermixed in the manner of chequers,
'and not dPeided into stripes of red, white, and blue.
The reading of the depositions, and the hearing
of parole evidence, lasted until half-past ten o'clock,
when the Court adjOurned until ten o'clock the next
morning.
• PRIVA'TE MTN.

r 11s Padielialf-post Ffia, Monday Evening.
" boa just, learnt that a serious dispute took
place rap the sth at Lyons, between a regiment of the
Royal Gaged and a regiment of Chasseurs Pyrenees.
Thor fried on each other, and it was not without
Left dam*. 11.7 the Cacao succeeded in terminating
agar. ifbeenriag morning the two regiments
wits amides-Arens in du Square when the Officers
611waoried tha uoliqr-tatrifted their respective re-
.lllolllllllllll to the good of his Majesty's serrate, aid
cordially embraced each ethcr.u.

On the 'notion of Fairl STANiiOPE anoo
appointed, to meet forthwith to prepare a commet
made tp the House of Commons at a conference
said Address.
The Earl of SIIAFTESEURY shortly iftentrards
form of a communication to the Consonant
currence In the above Address.
On the modest of Earl S FANHOPF., a Message
the Howse of Commons, desiring a Cochrane.
matter of the last Conference, on Tuesday neat,
in the Fainted Chamber.
Mr. Maumee, from the Mine, presented
lative to Coinage, which were ordered to lie
The Bank Balances Bill. the Militia Bill,
Bill, and the Hydrometer Bill, were brought
of Commons by Sir buttes Gammas and other
read a first time.
The Exchequer Bills Bill, the Irish nevem
Clergy Bill, were read a third time and palled.
The Life Annuities Bill was read a second
mined for Monday.
The Penitentiary House Bill passed through b.
Amendments.—Report oo Monday.—Adjourned
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Fiefdom were presorted from the Parish
nover.square, against the Sewers Bill; from
gall, completes of oppression by the Ends.; a
rant of Adair on the subject of 'I khes. Ordered
Table. •
The faith Amendment Bill, the Unchimed
the Coinage Bill, the Property Tax CoUecticesAill,
Sea Trade Bill. were read a third time and passed.
The Watch and Ward Bill went through a Ctimesittee, the
Report of which was ordered to he received on Monday.
Mr. HORNER presented a Petition from the Distillers of
Scotland against the Scotch Distillery Bill. Ordered to lie on the
1 able.
The Fraudulent Bankrupts` Bill, the Rape Seed Bill, and the
Collieries' Protection Bill, were readia second time, and ordered
to be committed on Monday.
On the motion for going into a Committee on the Coroner's
Bill, a short &Anion arose, in which General THOINTON, the
ATTORNIT-0101CRAL, 101 Mr. Ca hcaart participated.--
Eventually a division took place—Fur the Motion, 112--Againti
it, So—Majority, 52.
The Bill then went through the Committee, the Report of
which was ordered to Le rece.ve:. tits Monday.
Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Cott.rtittee on
the Pasteboard Acts. The Ite.olutions were agreed to, and a
Bill was Grieved accordingly.
A Person from the Commissioner. of the Regent's Park Sewers,
presented an Account of the Expense of eiclstrueting the said
Sowing,
_which em ordered to lie on the '1 chic.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON presented a Statement of the nature
and extent of the Disturbances that had :ecently taken place in.
Ireland, and of the Measures which hack been adopted by his Ma.
jeety's Government to put them down. Ordered to to pr!ated.
Mr. BROODEN brong!w up the 'kern of cite Committee on
the Distillery Acts. The Resulutions were agreed to, and it was
ordered that it be an instrim ion to the Corrutince on the Scotch
Distillery Bill to make Provisious in ce .lormity thereto.
LlllEll7'2 OF THII PALS&
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that in consequence of the advanced
period of the Session, he did not think it proper to urge forward
a measure which went to occasion so fundamental *change it the
Law of the Land, as the Bill for the better security of the Libeny
of the Press. This groat advantage would attend its lying over
namely, that the attention of Honourable Members might 14
turned towards the subject at leisure. Even within the last loft.
night, great prejudices had been removed from the minds 'de
many Honourable Members, is annequence of their having in.
vestigated the merits of the measure. Ceovinced, as be was,
that the more it was considered, the mere beneficW would apo
pear the results to be etpeeted hem it, and pledging himself to
bring the subject Ilan under the consideration of the House
early in the next Millehin, be would now move that the 818 be
read a second time en that day three months. Ordered.
BAVAL ASYLUM.
Sir C. POLE brought up the Report of the Corn
mittee on the Royal Naval Asylum.
In moving that it should lie on the table,
Sir C. POLE took occasion to represent the great
expense of this establishment, as compared with the
public benefit derived from it ; and stated that every
boy sent from it into the Naval service cost the public
above £5OO.
Mr. ROSE defended the Managers of the. Asylum
from any charge of extravagance. He did not con-
ceive, that on the most minute inquiry, it would be
found that any of the funds of the Asylum bad been.
mismanaged or misapplied.
Sir C. POLE in explanation, said, that he cooler
not think the Funds of the Asylum were prudently
managed, when it appeared that £490,000 of the
public money had been spent, and that with that sum
only 71 boys had been sent to the Navy.
Mr. CAECA:AFT only knew of the state of the
Funds of the Asylum, from what he had heard from
the Honourable Member opposite, (Sir C. Pole) but
that he heard sufficient to justify hint, in wishing that
the subject should be inquired into. It appeared that
AlOO,OOO Ltd been expended in sending seventy-one
boys to the Navy, as sailors, and with this statement
before the House, the Treasurer of the Navy de-
clared that there was nothing like extravagance in the
case—(Hear, hear.) If the application of so large a
sum of money for such a purpose, was not extrava.
gance, he (Mr. Calcraft) did not know what was;
and be should not consent that another shilling should
be voted to this Fund, before an account was pre-
salted of the manner in which the money hitherto
had been applied, and also what economy had been
observed in its application. Hebad understood from
the list speaker, that economy was observe.( in the
management of the Fund, and he gave as a proof of
it, that a poor mzn, who lied been eroployed .ro
pump water, had been turned away—(liar, hear.)
This was ever the kind of economy which the House
hoard from Gentlemen on the opposite (the Minis.
aerial) side—(Hear, hear.) ',Vhile thousands of the
public money were expended in the continuance of
great and unnecessary places, a poor man who bail
only half a crown a day, was turned off to starve....
(Hear,) and this act was b3asteif of as economy.—.
(Hears hear.) He (Mr. Calcraft) knew* that the

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present was not the proper time for any observation
nn this subject, but before it was referred to the
Committee of Supply, he shiluld inform himself better
on it, and again call the attention of the House to it.
Mr. ROSE, in explanation, observed that he had
no objection to the strictest inquiry being made to the
application of this Fund.
The Report was then ordered to be referred to a
Committee of Supply.

MIMIC OFFICES. •
Mr. METHUEN w►shed to know from the Noble
Lord opposite, what steps had been taken for the
duction of expense in the several public offices, and'
whether the Report of the Commissioners would be
laid• before the House soon ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied that the Report
of the Commissioners was before the Treasury for
consideration, but he apprehended it could not be
well laid before the House during the present Session.
lie thought it would be better to have it deferred till
next Sessii, when the whole of what could be ef-
fected would appear before the House.
A Message from the Lords announced, that their
Lordships had agreed to the Exchequer Bills Bill,
and some other Bills. They also requested a confe-
rence on Tuesday next, with the House of Commons,
in tl!e Panted Chamber, on the subject of the last
conference. To this she House assented.

WATERLOO AND TRAFALOAR MONCHNNTS.
Mr. TIERNEY, alluding to an advertisement
which lie had seen, for plans of the columns intended'
to be erected in commemoration of the Battles of
Waterloo and Trafalgar, wished to know from the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, what were the inten-
tions ot his Majesty's Mioisters with regard to the
erection of these columns? He had heard that it was
intended to expend 4300,000 on the two; £150,000
on each. He hoped it was not the case; but, at all
events, he would suggest chat nothing farther should I
be done on the subject until next Session. Indeed the
feeling of the. country, in its present distressed state,
was very general against the erection of columns at
so great an expense. The House should recollect
that the £300,000 was only the estimate; but, in
every probability,.the expense would amount to 500'
thousand, pounds before the columns were finished.'
In his opinion, no monuments of these two battles
airernuecessary ; and, as to the victory of Waterloo,
it wouil mint have been commemorated at all, if the
battle of Waterloo had not been fought. The cir-
cumstances of the country were no: such as to bear
this additional expenditure ; and it was the less ne•
cessary, as it only went to commemorate victories
which must ever live in the recollection of British sub-
jects—(Thar, hear.) He took that opportunity of
giving notice, that he should take the sense ot the
klotie on the propriety of erecting these columns at
all ; in the mean time, he hoped that nothing would
be done by Ministers with regard to them.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that it wzs not the intention of Ministers to
take any step towards the immediate erection of these
columns before the next Session. The Honourable
Member ( Kr. Tierney) must have observed, that
the advc•rtis.:mcnt referred only to plans of these co.
luznns, which it was necess..ry to have from different
artists, in order to have them considered as to their
design and expense. These plans should be under
the consi.letai:in of the Treasury some time befurel
they appro,red one ; and when they did approve one,
be as,ta the Right Honourable Gentleman it would
be of that plan wrath, being the best,- was time least
expensive. It would then be submi.ted for the con-
sideration of the House next Session ; but until then
the Right Honourable Gentleman may rest assured
no step would be taken to erect the columns. What
had been done was merely to save time.
Mr. TIEP..NEY expressed his satisfaction at what
he had heard tall from the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. He (Mr. Tierney) had been induced to ask
the questi,.n Irom having understood that it was in-
tended to expend three hundred thousand pounds on
the two columns.
Mr. C. LONG observed, that if the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) found fault with the in-
tended erection of these monuments, he should con.
demn time votes of the House, and not his Majesty's
Ministers, who only wished to carry the vote of the
House into effect. If a sum were mentioned as the
supposed expense, it was because it was impossible to
get a plan or design of the intended columns unless
a certain calculation was made of expense.
HUSBANDRY HORSE TAZ.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the third reading of the Husbandry Horse
Tax Bill.
Sir C. BURRELL objected to the Tax as severe
upon farmers, and unequal in its operation.
Sir W. W. WYNN opposed the general principle,
of the Tax.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of t e
EXCHEQUER and Mr. DAVENPORT, time Dill was r
a third time.
Sir C. BURRELL then moved as an amendment
that atter these words in the enacting clause, 46 that
from and after the sth of April, 1816," these words
should be inserted, 64 the several duties charged or to
be paid in virtue of several Acts, as far as relates to
any Tax on Husbandry Horses, do cease and de-
termine."
On this clause the House divided. For the amend-
ment, 55; against it, 82—Majority, 27.
Another division' took place immediately after our
re-admission into the Gallery, on an amendment pro.
posed by Mr. 'STUART WeRTLRY :
For the Amendment, 39; against it, 75—Majority
against the Amendment, 36.
The Bill was afterwards ordered to be read a third
time on Monday next.
IRISH VICE-TREASURER.

In a Committee on the Exchequer Consolidation
Bill,
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, after some observations
on the detects of the old system of finance in Ireland,
asked the Chancellor of the Eschequer if Government
persisted in their intention of creating, in addition to
the place td Irish Vice-Treasurer, that of Deputy
Vice-Treasurer ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
answered in the affirmative.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT lamented that this ques-
tion had not been brouglit forward earlier in the,Ses-
sion. 'Che Dill contained a provision, that the Vice-
Treasurer for Ireland should have a sold ia Paella.
vont, and be furnished with a Deputy to perform his

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dutirta for him. This was in effect a pro,,
the office shobld be a sinecure, yet. the alai,
posed to be annexed to it amounted to £3,500 al.
The duties attendant upon the office' of Vice•Tres.
surer might, he contended, be executed by any clerk,
and the person discharging them could have nothin.
whatever to do upon this side of the wat?t. Sac
was the provision nude for the effectual discbalge of
the citifies of that part of the Consolidated Ex
quer. It had been said in defence of this regaled,
that the object was to have the situation filled by a
man of eminence in the State ; and the method taken
for securing such a perion was by annexing en eml:
"pent salary to it.—(4 laugh.) He could not, hose-
ever, see why the Chancellor of the Exchequer for
Ireland, who had much business to perform, should
have reeeived'a smaller salary than was to be gives
to the Vice-Treasurer. He wished to know nun the
Right Hon. Gentleman what salary the Deputy was
to have ?
The CHANCELLOR of the *EXCHEQUER
said, that the Deputy was not to be a Parliamentary
Officer. His salary was to be £looo a-year.—(Hears
hear. from ahe Oivissition.)
Sir JOHN NEWPORT observed, that if the
House acceded to a proposition of* this nature, it
would proclaim to the country that all professions of
economy, and all the labouis of the Committee now
sitting to inquire into the state of the public offices,
with a view to retrenchment, were an imposition.
The Bill vent to affect the character of the House,
and compromise the bust interests of the country.
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that the Right Honourable Baronet had him-
seli admitted, that a Paymaster or Vice-Trea•uter
should be appointed to conduct the business of Ire-
land, and had merely applied his arguments to the
comparatively unimportant question of salary. He
had stated his opinion that a subordinate officer might
do ; but when the House considered fairly, he was
satisfied they would agree that the whole styrene of
Ireland should not be administered by an officer of
that description: It they lceiked to the scale of re.
muneratien allowed to the great officers of the Ex-
chequer and other departments, they would see that
the sum proposed in this instance was not extraordi-
nary, and it would be, indeed, strange, if the apt
pointment of a Vice-Treasurer now should he rated
at less than £3,500 a year, when the three offices of
the same kind that existed in Ireland this ty years
ago, stood the country at between £lO.OOO and
£ll,OOO a year. The Right Honourable Baronet
had alluded to the office of Chancellor of the Exche-
quer for Ireland, and he agreed with him in thinking
that it was one much underpaid. As to the office
now under consideration becoming a sinecure, he did
not see how it was more exposed to such a conse-
quence than any other Irish office, the possessor of
which was obliged to attend Parliament. Even if the
Vice Treasurer was to be necessarily a resident in
Ireland, the functions that devolved upon him were
inch as to require the assistance of a deputy.
Mr. PONSONBY expressed his decided opiniun
that the Bill was deterred to this late period of the
Session, because the Minister would not dare to pro-
pose it before. It .was a most shameful and pro-
fligate job. In addition to its other objectionable
featurei, it proposed to violate the Act of Anne for
securing the independence of Parliament, in favour
of the Vice-Treasurer. By that Act it was provided
that the possessor of no new office, no office created
after a certain day mentioned in the Act, should be
eligible to sit in Parliament. The Right' Honoura-
ble Gentleman had talked of the responsibility of the
situation ; there was no iesponsibility belonging to it.
He had dwelt upon the necessity of rank and talent
in the person who filled it. What rank or talent was
necessary to countersign a warrant issued by the Lord
Lieutenant, and see that the sum should correspond
with the amount stated in the warrant ? No rank or
talent was necessary beyond what belonged to the
commonest clerk. But why should the Vice Trea-
surer sit in that House ?—his office was purely Mi-
nisterial. If any account was required by Parliament
of the sums issued, the Chief Secretary of State for
Ireland was the person to be applied to. What pre-
tence was there for allowing him more than the
Lords of the Treasury for Ireland ? Their salaries
amounted only to two thousand pounds a-year .each.
He was always ready to agree in a reasonable
and liberal allowance to the officer of the public.
Acting upon that principle, he did think that AVOW
a/ear would be very liberal, before he knew that be
was to have a Deputy with an allowance of £lOO9
a-year. He thought that, under the present circum-
stances, the best mode he could pursue would be to
I propose that the salary should be £2OOO a-yea ,r and
negative the clause for allowing him to sit in Parlia-
ment, and also that which went to make a provision
for his Deputy. If he was to have the power to ap•
point a Deputy, he should be made to pay the De-
puty himself. He then moved that the sum of
12000 should be substituted for that of £3500, and
intimated his intention of following up this motion
by putting a negative on the other propositions to
.svhich he had just alluded.
Mr. PEEL observed, that the Bill italuka put an
end to eight offices—the five Lords of the rreaatuY
in Ireland, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Se-
cretary to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. and the
Secretary of the Treasury. The Right Honourable
Gentleman had said, that the Vice-Treasarer could
have no controul but the examination of all the ac-
counts of the Auditor of the Exchequer. It ahould
be recollected, too, that the salary of lite Treasuter
of the Navy exceeded that proposed to be given to
the new officer, though its duties did not exceed that
of the new office.—(4l./aresh.)
Mr. PONSONBY ridiculed the argument, that be-
cause a number of useless offices were abolished by
die Bill, its proposers should, therefore, be allowed
to create a number of other offices that were alto use-
less. The Right Honourable Gentleman bad asked
why the Treasurer of the Navy should have £4,000
a-year I That question he should feel it hard to an.
swer—(4 laugh)--Ne should rather brave it to the
Gentlemen on the opposite beech. Why the Trea-
surer of the Navy should have £4,o9lPs.year, he did
not know. bat there was an oracle on that sub ect
now in the House—( Mr. Rau haply jig
from whom they might expect to receive information.
—(4 laugh).—Some nights ago, when an allusion
was made by a Right Hoaom6le Friend*, his(hfr.
Tierney) to the small quantity of busiaesi attached
to the office of Treasurer of the Navy, the House
would recollect is what a flame the Right Honour-
able Gentleman rose to reply; bat now it appeared.

-room of another Right ifobeihrable tea-
that the Trttisurer of did Nav had no more
d &than the Vick -Treasurer of Ireland.—(Hear).
- PEEL skid, that be thought it not a little
surprisiog that the observations of the Right Honour-
orahloson
e Gentlewmhaonreshceouivleddbiee4d.ioorecotead.yaegaar.i_nstvthalatucilhas)s.
He could assute the Right Honourable Gentleman
that he did not make that allusion for the purpose of
'recriminating. He was aware that he received his
penfiod in consideration of having relinquished his
prOfeetion for the situation of Chancellor of Ireland.
But the Treasurer of the Navy had the same claim to
his Salary, and that was all he meant to insinuate.
Mr. PONSONBY declared that he felt no desire
vindicate himself, where there was no necessity.—
He received the sum of 44000 a year in consequence
of having resigned the office of Chancellor of Ireland,
'and that was the sum always granted in similar cases.
He did not feel 'that he stood on the same footing
with a person who received a salary for holding an
office in which there was nothing to be done. if the
Right Hon. Gentleman did mean a reflection on him,
which he could not suppose after his disavowal of a,
he should have no objection to submit the charge,
on its own grounds,' to the good sense of the House
and of the Public.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD defended Mr. Peel
against any intention of recriminating, in the allusion
be had made.
Mr. ROSE said, that he held his office in a mea-
sure still less objectionable than the Right Hon.
Gentleman, as it came annually under the considera-
tion of Parliament. He felt that the salary of £lOOO
a year attached to his office, was a fair reward for
persons who, having served the public faithfully in
the course of a long life, and having made no provi-
sion for the latter end of their days. He would
admit, that the duty of the Treasurer of the Navy
was not commensurate to the £4OOO a year. But it
was one of those offices that were established upon
the; principle of rewarding length of services. In
other professions Gentlemen could make fortunes
and provide for the decline of life, but there were
very few offices under Government in which it was
possible to save anoo a year.
Mr. TIE RNEY said, that the Right Honourable
Gentleman who had last spoken, had, in a truly pa-
thetic manner, described the duties of the Treasurer-
ship of the Navy, and the necessity of maintaining
offices of that kind as a remuneration for long and
active services. He (Mr. Tierney) not only admit-
ted that effective offices, like the Treasurership of the
Navy, ought to be well paid, but also felt, clearly
seeing the particular application of the question to
the Right Honourable Gentleman himself, that that
individual had been an extremely useful servant of
the public, and had been pretty well provided for in
return. (Hear, hear.) He had come to the enjoy-
ment of £7OOO a year from the public before be step-
ped into the Treasurership of the Navy. (Hear.)
Instead of thinking that the last addition was neces-
sary for a complete remuneration, he had beard it
universally wondered at that he was not more than
satisfied with his previous good fortune. The Right
Honourable Gentleman, it could not be denied, had
got a strong swallow. (Hear, hear,and laughing.) He
could receive /MOO a year, and yet reserve an appe-
tite for £4OOO more in the shape of sinecure. The
Right Honourable Gentleman had once been ques-
tioned on his emoluments, and owned the moderate
receipt of sB7OOO a year of the public money ;—but
this was all as a reward for past services. The Right
Honourable Gentleman could not but plead the same
merits for all his family ; and while he claimed emo-
luments for himself, on the ground of past exertions,
he anticipated the reward of his son. (Loud cheering.)
He made the public provide for him before he did
any thing for the public, and had a place ready for
him before he was born. (Cheer:.) The Right Ho.
nonrable Gentleman, be (Mr. Tierney) allowed, had
deserved well ; he had been long employed in the
service of the country, and bad discharged his duties
zealously and faithfully ; but the public owed him
nothing ; there were no arrears of debt unpaid. He
had done well for the public, and the public bad done
well for him. (Hear, hear.) lie had, in addition to
his own rewards, secured for his son the reversion of
the Clerkship of Parliament, and all the patronage
connected with it. He had secured for himself and
his two sons places and emoluments worth 820,000
a year.. (Hear, hear.) This was the extraordinkry
liberality of the country to the Right Honourable
Gentleman—this was the mode in which his services
were rewarded. The present appeared to him the
most deliberate, outrageous, and unjustifiable job that
any set of Ministers had ever the boldness to propose.
He would go the length of calling it scandalous. as
be believed that was a Parliamentary word, than
which he was allowedno stronger. (Hear, and a laugh.)
The Chancellor of the Exchequer had made such a
statement as could leave a doubt on the minds of no
impartial person; with his usual ingenuous manner
he let so mach appear as was quite convincing. He
had said, that it was necessary to have a person as
Vice Treasurer who might be useful to the Ministers
by his abilities and eloquence in the House, and it
would be foolish to expect assistance without paying
for it—(Hear, hear, Arida laugh).—They now required
all the aid they could find in all quarters. They had
lately a reimportation from abroad, in the person of a
Right Honourable Gentleman, who was to be paid
'tor his support by 85,000 a yen. They were now
to have 'another from the West of the Channel, and
to p ty him £3,soo—(Hear, hear, hear).—As Puha-
meat was to pay this.sum professedly for the benefit
of this Gentleman's parliamentary talents, it might
be proper to institute a parliimentary inquiry into
their 'eatent and usefulness— (Cheerirs)—Wsre they
worth 03,500 a year ? There should be an estimate
of them, that we might not be cheated in the bargain
we made, or the sum we paid for them. The dig-
nity of an Irish Minister was to be kept up; but why
continue the dignity of an officer of the Exchequer,
when the Exchequer itself was abolished, with all
honour and state ? Ireland was to have the dignity
of it Vice-Treasurer, and for that she was to trans-
fer to us the benefit of her debt—(Weer, hear.)—
At a moment when the country was weighed-down
with taxation, at a time When, all classes were suf.
faring and complaining, it was extraordinary that
any set of Ministers should dream of adding to their
burdens by creating a salary of 1113,500 a year--a
salary to one who had to support no rank, who had to
maintain no state, who bad to exhibit no representa-
tion, and =squad; regal* no consideration for

Splendour Or expanse. Can they believe that the
country will view this without disgust?
poor clerks must be dismissed to make up the Later,
of this officer, to compensate for th exp-nses et ;16'
vile, rank, coarse, vulgar job.—( Ch eying.)H
ecneei
bestow upon it no other epithets here ve:e t
lies in the country of great respectability and proud
ancestry suffering under the pressure of the -
who could not but see with disgust and iiiiligeatee
characters
their
strutting..!.
pockets.nttin f
g im lettf vg, dd ebreeeend 5 „4„,,d1
officialtake
taken from
argument had been brought tonicsn
uselessinoy
that
eno new
against the measure. What argument did it requite.
was not its shameless character sufficiently expieta
without argument or reasoning He had le:gun ;ill
the word job, he would end with the word job„nd
the middle of his speech had been about nothing e;,e.
but a job.—(Cheery, and a lau,gh.)—He be~red, le
implored Gentlemen who had enforced entir, 6.
Session. economy upon a Government se little lei.
posed to practise it—who had been pre.entieg
Lions praying for retrencement. to check now etc
headlong career of Ministers. If they now rndde a
stand, and successfully opposed this sherneless iraa
monstrous job, the House might still receva its eh.
racier with the country ; and even at this Lot. ptrir,d
of the Session might sbew that many Members sea
attended to their duty, • and were deceit:renal o ea
the admiration and to conirnand the gretituJe
Constituents.— (Loud, and Icng continued ci.verin.)
Mr. GIPPS thought see'oreo roye.r nos q;;;;
sufficient salary for this office.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that his vice 4
this question was not altered by the ridicule wi.
the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (i,!r.
Tierney) had, with his usual force and nun:
poured forth on this occasion. It Was 110 air
to say, that the duties of office would be pries:l2a
at a cheaper rate than they were, if put up to a".
tion, and sold to the highest bidder. fhe great piton-
ciple of Mr. Burke and other statesmen was, rat
office should hold its proper influence—it ass a mete
argument ad cap:it'd:on to deny, that such iefieeece
was a qecessary annexation to the true design eel
principle of office— (Luderie: of hear, hear.) It was
a species of Irish bull, he would almost say, to assert
that Ministers meant to create places, when it was
manifest by their reduction of more than five offices,
that their feeling was the reverse. When the consoii.
dation of the Treasuries of both countries was carried
into effect, it would be essential to have an wee:
sible person here to give the necessary explanation to
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and also in Pasha.
ment, on the financial matters connected with Ireland.
Time Vice-Treasurers formerly existed ; only one was
now proposed—(4 laugh, and Hear I)—and the Go-
vernment were, in reviving this single office, retro-
quishing five Parliamentary offices. The estahlisa.
ment of this office was doing no more than taiga to
be done to afford scope for calling out and retnera-
rating the talents exercised in the public service....
(Hear, hear.)
Sir JOHN NEWPORT read the preamble of the
Act of 1806, relative to the reduction in die utfices
of Customs, by which thirty-two situations eere ebb.
lished, and more were then in the view of reduaine.
(Hear, from Lord Casikreagh.)—' rile Noble Lord lill7
sheer ; hut the reason why a more effectual redueoce
had not then taken place was, because those etficts
were, in many instances, held by the possessors ou the
term of vested rights: as they fell they were abolished.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that no reduc-
tion had taken place in the daces held at pleasure,
during that Administration.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT denied this fact, and said
that the reason why several other offices were net
suppressed, was, that they were by the Noble Lot ti's
Friends granted in reversion.—(Hear.)
Mr. GORE LANGTON protested against Ws
most scandalous job. (Hear, hear.) It was timer':
said, eo redeem the pledges given to a loyal and me-
tering people. The country could no longer be AA
idle spectator of such prodigality, and he woad met
feel himself acting as an independent Member of
Parliament, it he did not vote against this sischis
office. (Hear, he2r.)
Mr. S. Vs'ORTLLY thought that this was a nr,t
unjustifiable demand on the public. The .I%..e'e
Lord's argument wits, that because he had aboiie:ed
five offices, they ought to create one.. But he lal
forgot to chew, in the firsteinstance, that the office
was at all necessary.
Mr. HUSKISSON thought the proposed otlice
one of great trust and importance, and as to the Lee
period of the Session at which this measure acs
brought forward, it would be easy to state the
cunistaoces which served within the present Sesse n
to impede the introduction of public bluntest. he
took occasion to observe that he recollected an Act
brought forward at a very early period of the See
sion by u former Administration, in which a last
Lord of the Treasury was authorised to hold an re.
fice which was originally appointed to controid
and yet no objection was made to it by the Gcntie-
men whom lie saw opposite, although from toe iu-
pression which that measure made in the country, it
WAS pretty evident that the authors possessed en
'small degree of political courage. It had bier ie-
tertnirea on former occasions:, that the creation ul A
new office did not necessarily incapacitate the rhos
who held it from having a seat in that Honse. For
instance, the Pres:dent of the Board of Contrail s4t
in Parliament. With respect to the Depute, Ist
must say he thought the objections to that efficer3'.o
with a very bad brace from the Right Hon. Cara
man opposite, who was formerly Treasurer of the
Navy, and who told the House, on a resew occa-
sion. that the only merit he could claim was having
had a deputy, whose diligence, activity, and »e i to
the discharge of his duty, was most tacritorilos.—,
For himself, he considered a Deputy necessary. role
be was also of opinien that it would he hitely de-
sirable that the principai should have a scat in that
House, that he might be able to explain, and }"t.-
mote the general interests of Ireland.
Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON warnlly cte
jetted to it as an unconstitutional reward fur secret
and mysterious services.
Sir FLOOD declared himself undecided as to,
the vote he should give. He stood at a jurors toe..
tide between both parties. All he could say via.,
that .the Treasurer of the Navy had acknowledFe I
be was paid too much for his services, and that he
would protest against any odious comparisen be
tween thut office dad the one from which his WEI.:
Honourable Friend (Mr. Ponsonby) bad sereirkJ,

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,qcl .to obtsin which he had, in the first instance, re.
ed a great professional income of double what
satio
be had received. . . •
Mr. METHUEN rose, to ask whether the person;
whom it was intended to nominate to the new office,
was then in the House, and if he were, whether it
wood' be decent in him to vote upon the present
ihn ? (
condemned the mode so frequently
adopted by the Noble Lord opposite, of recriminating
upon that side, as to its con dect when in power, in-
stead of defending himself from charges that were
urged against him. Even. if the Noble Lord could
prove all which he asserted, it would he no argu -trent
ac
injusgiucatial of his own conduct. With regard to
ae case alluded to, however, of the Bill for sanction-.
it.; the office of Auditor of the Exchequer, in the
row of Lord Grenville, it was a little unfortunate
the Noble Lord that that Bill passed through
parliament without one dissentient voice.—clieer,
ifar,)—He staked his credit upon that assertion.—
Novo if it were a measure so little compatible with
pond policy, cr constitutional practice, he would
ask, why the Noble Lord did not state his objections
to it at the time ? With respect to the question more
immediately before them, he thought it one to which
that House ought not to accede. Much observation
had been made upon the Act of Queen Anne, but
certainly when he recollected what had weaned
within the last eight and forty hours, be could not
feel greatly disposed to rely upon any interpretation
of tbatAct, coming from the other side of the Eirouse.
*Day who contended that accepting tLe Treasurer-
stip of Greenwiel, Hospital dud not vacate a seat in
pediment, might with equal propriety maintain
that the creation of a new Office was compatible with
a seat in that House.—( Hear, hear.) —The real spirit
dila Act, however, was, that no new Office should
be tenable with a seat in Parliament. He hoped the
question would not be carried. The Session had
pencil with professions of economy from the Throne,
and the first act was an attempt to raise the salary of
the Treasurer of the Navy from three to four thou=
sand a year. It now appeared that it was to con-
clude with the creation of a new Office, which might
bream a sinecure. It such a thing were sanctioned,
with what face could they meet their constituents ?
Mr. H. MARTIN wished to know in what would
consist the pecuniary responsibility of the Vice Trea-
surer? It appeared he was merely to countersign
the warrants for the issue of money, previously signed
by the Lord Lieutenant. Was he to have any con-
troul over the Lord Lieutenant ? Could he refuse
bis signature ? If he could not, and if he possessed
Decontrols', he should like to he informed as to the
nature of his pecuniary responsibility ?
Mr. BRAND considered that as the Chancellor
d the Exchetnter for Ireland had been remunerated
with £3,000 annually during his office, there was no
reason whatever for act-telling an additional 0500 to
this new appointment. Supposing, for examrle, the
same individual to be appointed to this new office, he
did-not conceive there was any propriety in increasing
the salary. Why, be would ask, did Ministers make
such professions of economy, and yet be so leeish of
public money ? Looking on this transecti,ou as a
mere job, he trested it would excite the disgust and
Ista!'s7lol.f.tl Of. the Hense, as he Isad ro donbt it
would excite those of the c-nettitys—(iieet Veer."
flee use then divided-Attar
SS—Against it, 10S—Majority,
On the re-admission of strangers into the Gallery,
Mr. PONIONBY was tnovirig that the clause which al-
lowed the Vice.Thasurer a seat in Parliament be
Idt out.
Hr. S. WORTLEY thought the great salary just
sow voted, and the high responsibility attached to
the Vice-Treasurer, rendered it proper that he should
hold a seat in Parliament.
Mr. PONSONBY was surprised at the inconsistent
conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman, in first voting
for a small salary to the Vice-Treasurer, and then
voting for bis being a Member of the House, on the
round of his having got a large one—(Hear.) What
was this but an invitetien to Ministers to be extrava.
gent in their expenditure—and in fact telling them,
and every subsequent Administration, that they had
no more to do than give a man a large salary, and lie
should certainly ebtein a seat in the House.
Sir M. RIDLEY wished the Committee would re.
member that not long age they had condemned the,
Property Tax in consequence of the application oC
the people. Yet he considered it somewhat singular
that many of those who had voted against that Tax
as inquisitorial, had, after getting it off their own
thnulders, continued to support the Minister in all
his extravagance— (Hear, hear.) What was the con-
sequence of their persevering to do so ? The fact
was, new means must be sought for to make up the
deficiency. He thought, if talents were to be paid
proportion to their extent, it was right they should
be exercised solely in tt-,'t sphere for which they were
paid. Deprecating the present measure as a most un-
constitutional attempt to extend the influence of the
Crown in Parliament, he supported the amendment.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT besought the Clemmittee'
to think what they were now dosng,_ as by granting
the Vice-Treasurer a seat in the House, they were
burdening the country with an additional expense of
41,000 a.year for a Deputy. They were also ab-
stracting him from his duties on the other side of the i
water, and bringing him bete for no other purpose
than to support the Treasury Bench.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, unless we could suppose a man so free from the
common infirmities of nature as not to require one
day's recreation, then his being a Member of this
liouse might be dispensed with.—(et latish from the
Uppotition).
Mr. HORNER.--g 4 The Right Honourable.Gett-
I eernan having given a medics! opinion, I wish to
alit him a professional one. Suppose the Deputy
also wished a day's recreation, will it pot be necessary
for him to have a Vice Deputy to attend while he is
absent ao_...(A laugh).
After a few words Irons Mr. LifTTILTOII and Mr.
Wmzs, the House divided—For the Amendment,
57--Against it, 167—Majority, 50.
Mr. PONSONBY, .during our exclusion from the
_Gallery, gave notice of his intention to move on Men-
. day that the Deputy be paid by the Vice-Treasurer,
and not by the public.
The House having resumed, the Report was ce-
dered to be received on Monday. •
The Gnsid Jury ladictawat BID was brow& up, and, with
Jr addition ff a claws proposed by Lead Cativs.4ll4ol2l sum

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