The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1852-03-02 00:00:00

To the EDITOR of the LIVERPOOL LTANDARD.

SlR,—The bullionists appear at length to have discovered
that the vastly increasing production of gold in California and
Australia, must, in a short time, result in a depreciation of tee
value of that metal; and it is important to the great bulk of the
community to watch closely the procerdings of the monied
interest in respect to it.. The London Times of Thursday last
contained a letter upon the subject. which may regarded as a
feeler put forth by the idlerest in question. After admitting
that " gold will not, and cannot, long sustain its pi esent va-
lue," and that its depreciation would seriously affect the fund-
holders and all parties possessed of fixed incomes, unless the
standard be "arbitrarily altered at once at a sin,le blow" to
bring it to a par with silver, the writer asks :
Why must the absolute weight, the amount of metal in the'
pound, the qoantity of gold which is at present the equivalent.
of twenty shillings, remain fixed at what it is at present? hf
100 ounces of gold can soon be prOcured with the same labour
which has hitherto yielded no more than 50, gold falls to half
its value: It must do so. It is impossible to prevent it. The
s -me weight of gold which is now worth twenty shillings, will
then he worth no more then ten shillings. What is to prevent
us, then, from doubling the quantity of gold in the coin tchich
we still may call the-pound (it would have as good tf right to
the name as it has now); or. if not doubling it, fining the
quantity by the market price, whatever that may be, and so
leaving everything exactly as it is?"
There is a little Want of wodesty in this proposition to dou-
ble the weight of the golden pound, as well as a want of me-
mory. When we were told, some time ago, by the 'limes him-
self, that " the purchasing power of the sovereign had doubled
within the last thirty, years," there was no demonstration then
of sympathy for the unfortunate debtor classes, who were thus
admitted to be paying forty shillings for every pound of taxes,
debts, and other fixed hurthens; no proposal on the part of
the fundowners and the monied interests to redUce the weight
of the sovereign. And. the reason why the public will not be
inclined to adopt the course so glibly propounded by the
Times' correspondent, is the very simple one that iti fixing a
standard of value there are, as in all other bargains, two con-
tracting parties. The bullionists exacted from the tax-payers
and the debtor classes of Great Britain, by the bill of 1819,
payment of their claims and of taxation in gold, at the price of
£3 17s. Mid. per ounce. The •‘ pound" of exchange and of
taxation was declared to be immutably fixed, and to consist of
123 grains of the precious metal. This is what was c,ntracted
for, and what they have always insisted upon. If the tattles j
are turned, and the public at large have now in peospect the
best of the bargain, that is no reason for altering its provisions.
The conversion of a debt of eight hundred millions sterling
into one of only four hundred millions, is not a circumstance
over which the masses of this country will much grieve. The
nroposition to increase the weight of the sovereign—the
" pound"—hecause gold has fallen one-half in value, is not to
" leave everything exactly as it is-," but to prop up the capital-
ist in his unnatural eminence, leaving the rest of the commu-
nity to pursue their downward course unassisted. What a
hubbub we should have raised, if the farmer, who is paying
two bushels of wheat in taxation for every single bushel which
he I aid thirty years ago, was to demand that the measure
should be reduced one-half in size ! Yet the demand would be
quite as reasons de as that of the bullionist.

I am fully prepared to adroit that the change now going on
will be productive of serious complication, difficulty, and in-
justice. I have always maintained that. it is mibticoming in a
great nation to seize hold of a di,pensation of Providence,
such as an increased yield of the precious metals, in order to
rob the public creditor. "I his roust be avoided ; but not by
increasing the standard of value. An equitable adjustment
can only be arrived at by one method; v.z., the adoption of
paper as money, leaving gold to find its level in the market like
any other cummoslity. The necessity for such a change was
never more plainly discernible than at the present; and it is
being rapidly hurried on by the increased accumulation of
specie lying unprofitably in the coffers of the Bank of England.
The following paragraph. which I copy from the Dail!, News of
Friday last, is significant of the feeling at head quarters :
" THE GLUT OF GOLD.—It is stated, on very good autho-
rity, that, in order to stimulate the circula.ion of gold in the
country, it is intended to limit— if not altogether stop—the
future issue of .£5 note, from the Bank of England. Should
this plan be carried out, the public will have to use more bul-
lion in small money transactions than is at present customary.
Some notes of other denominations will, it is stated, also be
more limited than hitherto."

In plain terms, the eublic are to he seriously inconvenienced
in order to maintain the dividends of the Bank of England
proprietors, and to prop up a little longer a falling system.
We are to be squeezed at both ends of the see-saw. When
gold was scant of supply, four years ago, we had to pay dis-
counts ranting from 10 to 20 per cent., and now that the com-
modity is in o‘er abundance, for the interests of certain people
it has to be forced upon the commercial world, to our serious
discomfort and annoyance. We are, however, I hope, Sir, ap-
proaching more enlightene'] times, and not disposed, to be
played with in this outrageous fashion.

Apologizing for troubling you upon a sulject, with respect to
which I feel strongly, I beg to subscribe myself, your obedient
servant, G. B. J.
_ _-

Liver-pool. February 23d, 1852.
[The above was in type, and should have appeared in our last
publication. We have since observed, from a correspondence
in the London Times between Messrs. Geo. Peabody and Co.,
American merchants of London, and the Governor of the
Bank of England, that an impediment is being offered to the
delivery of American bullion at that establishment, the Bank
insisting, contrary to its previous custom, that such bullion
must first be brought to the Mint standard of purity.]

THE MORMONITES.-POLYGAMY IN THE
WEST.

To the EDITOR of the LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

DEAR Sta,—ln the Mail of Saturday last, there appeared a
letter addressed to me, signed "William CoVinson," the object
of which was evidently to counteract the effect which has been
produced on the minds of many members of that extraordinary
sect called Mormonitei or "Latter-day Saints," by the publica-
tion of the `• Report of the junges of Utah territory," addressed
to the President of the United States, in which the real prin-
ciples, both political and moral, of that fearful apostacy are
exposed. . _

In order to meet Mr. Collinson's artfully constructed epistle
with as little delay as possible, I printed and circulated, the
same day and yesterday, amongst the Mormons Themselves, the
following letter, by the insertion of which in the STANDARD of
to-morrow, you will much oblige, yours very faithfully.
Monday, Ist March, 1852. JOSIAH B. LOWE.

5, North-view, Edge-bill, Saturday,
_ /28th February, 1852.

Sts, I have been surprised/at seeing, in' the Mail of this
morning, a letter addressed to me bearing your signature,
although no such letter has come to me by any other channel.
You and your advisers re, however, sadly mistaken if you
imagine that by this rzt you will accomplish your object, or
succeed in throwing ust in the eyes of those mnny honest
men who are beginn• gto be ashamed of the foulness of that
system which you re, I regret to see, still not ashamed to
advocate. You w' find yourselves mistaken if you imagine
that, by raising number of questions, you will succeed in
diverting the t nds of sensible men from the real question
between you a I all Christian denominations, which is this :
Was Joseph ith a prophet, seer, and revelater sent from
God, and th Book of Mormon an inspired book or. was the
former a w etched, unprin•Apled imp"ster, and the latter an
impudent,end blundering forgery? This you must admit is
the real /question between the Mormonites and Christians.
The questions you propose, in order to "raise a dust,"
behind which the truth may be concealed, are take-[ from
various theolcgical controversies, and I am ready. at any
time, to discuss them with the parties to whom they respec-
tively belong. With the Baptist, lam ready to vindicate
the practice of infant baptism ; with the Irvingite, to discuss
the question of miraculous gifts; with the Papist, the suffi-
ciency of Holy Scripture, its paramount authority, &c., &c.
But I will not allow you to put on a cloak composed of
Irvingism, Popery, Quakerism, &c., &c., in order to conceal
the weakness of your foundation, and the abominable immora-
lities of the tottering superstructure raised upon it. Come, sir,
to the point. You affect to discredit the "Report of the judges"
respecting the filthy practices of" the saints" (?) in Utah. You
are ill advised in this, and I hereby challenge you to say,
without any equivocation—How long is it s'nce you, yourself,
were aware that the privilege of polygamy is claimed by your
priesthood, and know it to be an integral part of your system?
I challenge you now to say honestly whether you believe the
spiritual wife doctrine to be given by revelation or not. I put this
dilemma to you to get out of, before you get out of Liverpool for
the "far West." If you believe in the doctrine of " plurality
of wives," why do you write as if you disbelieved it? and if
you do not credit it, what becomes of your immediate revelq-
tions,towhich, as you know, the saints are indebted for this
doctrine?
Allow me to inform you, that I propose to give a second
lecture on Mormonism, in the Music Hall, on Monday even-
ing, the Bth of March, to which I hereby invite you and all
others deluded by this imposture.-1 remain, your sincere
well-wisher, JOSIAH B. LOWE.
To Mr. William Collinson,
124, Bold-street, Liverpool.

TO J. N. WOOD. ESQ., CHAIRMAN OF THE
PILOT COMMITTEE, LIVERPOOL.

DEAR St R.-At the last meeting of the Commissioners of the
Pilot., I felt it to be my duty to make some remarks on the
general working of the Pilot establishment of this port. Im-
mediately after I had commenced my statement, I was informed
by his worship the Mayor that I was out of order in making
any remarks on the duties of the committee. It is not my
intention to discuss the propriety of such check on the remarks
of a commissioner, nor to point out the inconsistency of such
check with the Pilot Act of Parliament ; but being obliged to
withhold my remarks on that occasion, I have taken the liberty
of addressing them to you, by way of discharging my duty as
one of the "constituted commissioners for carrying the act into
execution."

you will. I am sure, readily admit that improvement in the
present system is not only practi9able, but would on many
accounts be desirable; and as the e have been lately various
complaints made, not against e pilots themselves, but the
system by which they are rn, aged, without leading to any
practicable benefit; and hay' g been a worker on your com-
mittee, I may be permitted o make a suggestion or two on
this subject ; but, in (loin o, I must also state that I firmly
believe no committee co more judiciously or considerately
discharge the various a d important duties which they con-
ceived they were called pon by the act to perform. The pilot
establishment having grown into more and more importance
with the gross th of t trade of the port, renders it the more
necessary that the r sponsibilities of the establishment should
take the widest po ible range. They should not be confined,
as they now are, t the committee, but should extend to the
commissioners, and from them to the public. Neither the
door of the committee or the commissioners should he closed
to the reporters, for the public have a right to know to whose
care the enormous property passing to and from this port is
entrusted ; and if the general conduct of pilots was subject to
public remark, it would have a most salutary effect on the
whole system ; the disaffected pilots themselves, if any, would
be careful to avoid public censure, and those who did not
regard their office in the important light in which it should be
estimated. would, by the commanding voice of the public, have
their dismissal from the service sanctioned. Meritorious
pilots would have their names held up as examples to their
class, and many of their gallant performances, of their hazard-
ous duties would, and ought to be, publicly rewarded. It will
not be necessary, I presume, for me to multiply reasons for
suggesting that the reporters of the public journals should he
admitted to all the deliberations of the Pilots' Committee. If
your Committee will adopt this suggestion, many valuable re-
marks may be made on the system. worthy of your adoption ;
at all events, the responsibilities must attach to the public as
well as to your Committee; and that the responsibilities of the
committee be still more reduced, I shall also suggest that at
least once in every three months there be a meeting of the
Commissioners, to confirm the proceedings of the Committee;
and that no pilot shall be finally dismissed from the service
without the confirmation of the Commissioners. 1 believe
this supervision of the system was contemplated by the Act.
and. in fact, was its original spirit and meaning. and I dare
say your Committee would rather have their proceedings con-
firmed by the Commissioners, and approved by the public.
than to have complaints gf ti Much privacy is the manage-

went of the establishment so vainly important to the prz,,,, pet
many respects, and from which it draft about 41•60.1
annum. d °Si
In justice to the pilots themselves, it Must be ad mitte upy
an open examination of their merits, as well as the fog f,'lca,
plaints made against them, would tend taitnprove the tier`On this point, I shall call your attention to the folio, pee
' extract from the minutes of your committee Of the 14t0.0
1350, showing the meritorious exertions of William "
pilot, on board the ship Providence :
rmietbet.
"The letter having been read, and William Varry, —lr
with Captain Alayse and William Veal, chief °freer, ebeat
upon the subject, the committee have much' pleat 11001,
recording their praise of Wilhelm Parry's conduct thr°"o
this trying occasion, and award to him the highest alloy,
their disposal from thei funds taindividual merit ittenef
viz., 410; and further direct the secretary to presets,. ai
claims of Parry to the liberal consideration of the (0.1"0001
the Providence; also, to the chairman of the I,i" rer
Humane Society, for his courage,. coolness, and Pe
veraace."
aplpfrorbefrlorrenrosf tilTedcobineenmitptrgeintst
have been a source of encouragement to many kindred erof
in the pilot' service round our coasts. Wherever (bring clttsr,
to execute the duty in hand Las been the means of terniniate
and winning a battle, or rescuing the lives of our fie,,,isf
subjects, it deserves our country's praise: the one o 1,00
farto anrde'wdrdowne
patbhiiiscitdyellt,
notice and rerard in parliament; the other de:erves it no opt
and the more/ influence on the service is as good in t..„„teta
case as the °trier. On p
ros round, also, therefore rettee
should be admitted to pedings of the Pifer Cetautntaef
It is painful to be obliged to assign a reason, of anvcaer
description why reporters should be admitted to: your
mittee. • teet
have to call your attention to a minute in the canna°
journals of 4th Nov., 1850, which concludes thus:— thtt
"James Higgin called in; and, from his explivasfitrto
committee are of opinion that he is totally rneosine.t`-ail
act as pilot, and order that he leave his license with
secretary."
•
Agaim -de
bit
on the 22d April, 1851, the following entry Was
Of
" Richard Richardson, for drunkenness, deprived
license;-without hope of reinstatement." 4 01
I. make these selections out of numberless entrl..4e
a similar character in the minute beak of your git
miMe, not because I believe these sentences are
in the limited sense in which they were made, of
believe your committee incapable of committing t"secit,
of wilful injustice. But when it is considered thainiittet,
important decisions and sentences are made in your cefoeff
with closed doors—that such decisions imply something ittsl
than the misforttme of losing a ship—it' implies the conifno.
of a criminal act of wilful eiestruct•on of property, whit:a:Os
dismissal iron[ the pilot service is not calculated to Prof
nor is it a sufficient warning to others:. The aupretylice, • roe,
Higgins, whose crime was running the brig. Heise oil 6,00
had been subject to all the test of competency which the lie if
of the service demands—yet, because of this inisforfan; ,pd,
judged by the committee to be " wholly incompetent. otO
therefore, depriv, ti the only means of living by a Pr:netif
investigation of your committee. I don't tar a 010„-neer
question the justice of your decision, but it does tlk'r
st. ange thaba young man should be examined by your il;arif'
and declared fully competent—and, after probably a yeal%aff
cessful experience in conducting ships in and out of Out De!
that the saute committee, because of some accident,. n pg.
An
him to be incompetent, and expel hint the service.. ,„t
for such men is•an open investigation or such canes, fo.„„"
public unity have their due, and that the men may-1,870i
advantage of open and fair investigation. However jus",b to
be the sentences of the Pilot Committee, it is not tiio
say they appear arbitrary and most inconsistent wili'triSl
efficient and effectual working of the pilot service. AiiYooti
of such cases must be csidered partial,hey are tiot tlai,
to the world. It must be admitted that ititluenc.s beY0,"„.010
cow rol of your committee may be at work, either to
or over colour tars-a difficulty which the highest cum ibe
the realm have to contend with;—and I firmly, belieyee4ol
Pilot Act never contemplated so great a power over
your committee takes upon itself in these vastly tinltieff
respects, which can be r, me,lied by the telietestee or reli_ntola
to your deliberations, and to which I trust vour
will agree

1 htive now to call your attention to another stigg.fsti°"tioo
two, which seem to have been dismiss! d from the consttler!siio
of your committee with an apparent understandiug.tllo:olo
pilot system of. Liverpool was perfect, or at least neollej
complaints or suggestions made by Captain Mathews, oioct,
Great Britain, and many other intelligent and high]," Ies,01(0,
able commanders of ships trading to this port, have heet-ai
such notice of by your committee as to lead to any pritet'fi,
of
advantageous result. shall, therefore, make a rero soot
twoa nd difficultyoonn sthuaicsbhsoguurbtoj
iueie,leitAif)noogre,wotlhiitiolpiul
upgiilnitotittcbvioo•utistdssbaheroowniettietnrhttaattiti
ntchehedvigbetyl:eiled,bogoir:
committee, there seems to have been no effort made to re 700,5,
so far as practicable, that difficulty, which you will "A nog
could be done by the pilot-boats holding a precise positte and
Point Lynas, Ormshead, &c.,. for which ships could stet,,tood
within a circle of, say three miles, at any given and ttoder:a trth
distance off either of these points. This rule being adhe',,roer
it
shipscould run from Holyhead to Liverpool with ,rnor'ilOp
tainty of getting a pilot ; and in very thick weather two f;
boats might be placed within this circle, and only on ne,icle'
treme occasions should the boats be allowed to leave ti",_s;
I am aware of the objection on the part of pilots to tiictioo'
gestion ; but I shall endeavour to answer that ale espr
VV hen pilot-boats are confined to a limited circle, slitr':ot 0,,
cially steam-boats, may evade. them more effectitallY,•;erahl
the pilotage may be lost to such boats. It is not 14`e1L.,00:,
uuderstootl, perhaps, that the great number of steamerotor
ing from this port to. Cork, Dublin, Glasgow, &c., paY!1)1.(
to the first pilot-boat that can be placed in the waY ° dot:
steamer, though a pilot be not put on board. Hence ti;epsil;
boats are induced to wander out of their best position I.°eeer
ing ships merely to secure the pilotage of a steamer. ti01t,,,010,
not a pilot. I believe lam right in saying the City outage“ 10. r,
Company alone pays about £l5OO per annum as_ p fOr,
their vessels, and
resinselom or ever take a,pilot. It I S rweretr
object now to inqu to the justice of this ; but as-41"' °DO':
inducement t o damage the service exists, I shall propose pat
whilst pilot-boats are stationed within the circle. es, ore, tv
proposed, other boats should be stationed further off Foloter"
watch for ships that may be disposed to evade the "
pilots. con! Ctf
1 hare now to call your attention to another suggeo- oteti,;
nected with the pilot service, which I trust will have the part';
tion of your committee. Considering the facilities novr,o tot.
for the pilots to avail themselves of in accomplishint"„ goo!
work compared with a few years ago—having on most oec"'f t/1„°
the aid of steam both in taking ships in as well as.oUt "40"
port, saving both the time and the labour, as well as the r'er
pilots, and rendering it unnecessary to increase the nuntb se
either the boats or the pilots in proportion, or- the inae°,oB
ships or the tonnage entering and leaving the port, thus n►a Aar
the service more and more profitable—l think the titles",
arrived when we should at least consider whether screw stet 0`
boats should not be applied to the service to some este TV
least, and whether it could not be done with economY cotr
present value of pilot-boats to their owners is so enorrootimooll.
pared with the actual cost, we mayfairly come to the troth
that they have ample ability to add a steamer or toe gefr'
tsieine,picueb,laicndi
frti)srksothloencghaaancteheosferpvriocfietisfraomdessuerclipt
teiffoonrotL°ooA
tspoeOritif,
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nod publicblewould
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eta c
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peeifiroe
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cider the best course to be adopted for securing tile I.iereo
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teoffitchieenccoymtmoitslrimpieilrost. service of Liverpool, and report
Before I conclude, allow me to draw your attention to ftrerollil
subject with which your committee acd the pilots gel! wit_
have much to do, though the responsibility may rei,l„,tio,o_
another board--I allude to theimprovements in the deso IF 01
constructedpoof r bt.uoAysn that
to
obt ytmhaithis
Captain endt)
e
ampton, which appears tolPhdelaa)
n
t d
last winter months in the most exposed situation ; anti'
ssos
ae:egegoebct dangers around
cnaar
pi Ol
proved
harbourmaster
drth eae ffit t
ecCnihetani
01
?et!iti
?I sr
p.itiliebtioi
dition to its remarkable efficiency as a buoy, it possS for
invaluable quality of a place of refuge, in times of nee 00etir
unhappy persons cast in their way. The cost of• t0,`„,,0 A
Ov
allude to being only .e 55, gives it additional clann .„0
attention as chairman of the Pilot Committee. illustratly,olo"'
particulars of which may be seen in the Illustrated J 1
News of the 28th ult. 'ec"?
subJ 00'
I have taken the liberty of addressing you on these of ~of
feeling assured that you will further the object in vieW"ectiP #
dering to the pilot service all the advantages which the P_ of Tit
necessities of the case demands, and which the progren_ y 0
times require.—And I am, dear sir, with much reape'
most obedient servant, oIVVP'
WILLIAM ft—
Water•street, Liverpool, Ist March, 1852.

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