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SATURDAY EVEN*, APRIL 11, 1829..

PRICE SEVENPEtICE:

SERIAL PARLIAMENT.

sat down in applauding the conduct put sued b; los
Majesty's Ministers; but at the fame time he could
aot forget the long and laborious support if chcse lorhn
had constantly advocated the present question, some of
whom were now no mote, and the remainder had af
forded such assistance to the Government on the pre-
sent occasion. Among the latter he could not but al-
lude in a particular manner to the Noble Earl who
sat near him, who had been the, champion ot,esnapet.
patton in the House of Commons, and whose .d 11.11 at,e
speech and irresistible reasoning on the second f
the debate on this Bill must have broug'st cons-coon
to the mind of any one who was ri,4 determined not t•s
be cony', ceJ. The Noble East had expreved the %A is.
faction he stow felt that he had refused to b come A
member of an administration in which C*thnEc Ermen-
cipation would not be made a Cabinet istea,iste. • 114
(Lord Grenville) did justice to the N 1' Et t for that
conduct; Ise thought it was perfectly cou.n.tertt wi h
his high-minded feelings, ant with the ut.desia!its4
line of policy which he bad pursued through Isle; tor,
at the segue time, he thought that the motives
had *meted those who bad pursued a diffeent coorte
were not lOU praiseworthy, nor were those who por-
oared it the less sincere in dr.. it wish -to advattce the
cause. He biasses!! knew, from a •conedential liter time •
*Waite had bad svidslatie foisted Ms. Cant.inp,. •
that trot ItiKbc 'flonoiTelsie Gen-denten *Sways' con-
steeled that their was a deep-so' hostilirt to •the
measure in the minis of the pe-ple of E glan I, and
that the best way of in away with that pieja.ite
*was by giving this question the appertance f not
being a party mea,ute. He (Lord Qieitirsile) ihouglit
the event had justifi. (this opinion, f now appeased
that the effect ..f a divided Cabinet was such that tho.e
who were at ad times hitherto opposed to this Boil had
been obliged to come toward and yield. He was stare
that the passing of the present Bid would secure t:e
foundation of the Established Church in !Island. •

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HOUSE OF LORDS. Arau. 10..
*ma Bills were read a second time, others a third time, and
L 10Fd BEAUCHAMP presented a Pedants from the parish of
, Worcester, against further soncessions to the Remus
d ELDON presented Peddoos frog the InbablWie of Mid.
Aifil and Surrey; Calton, Cambridgeshire; Wlgtown, ligodand;
Illetterfordwar ; Kingston-on.HuU; Kingston; borough of Cow
Woe; Gram and Litti. Hawkesley ; several pariah.. In Dun.
frimaltke, sad several others, against concessloos. Aim a petition
frosn'the Paisley Elk Weavers, praying for relief; a petition from
the Masten and Tbrowsters of Maecloseeld, to the mote effect I
itild %petition from the inhabitants of Liverpool, very respectably
seitosmats dy diva, "iphist any further coageseions to the Ito-
aaaaalca• The Noble Lord believed there was ano.
Illellitpetition from sane of the Inhabitant. of that lawn of a
wi=Pim What the Instruction of a Noble Lord, who hod
till that petition were, be did not know, oor would he and-
wine the Noble lard bad to say. He bad certainly trea-
d *foam, but as be had read in the -Papers lately that per-
sona's& ocgasionally with inuiled bands, he should mushily
tfatdalle MTH. gloves until driven to It —(Haar, and laughter.)
bird GUMMI CH said, that if his Noble and Lemma Friend

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f M from it any Observation which wets at all likely to
1 1 :11.1t implement met oferstrowerey which he en.icipated. he
wild he aireivilill disappointed. He bad received no inaroctiosse
sit ski any observatioos wkatever so the Petition the Noble
Laid bed preseriend—.4 Milifilidnle -to should icier have th des
=he to Iwo whit Nos Pedalos was, and under what clienta-
l* pcioesteit Ole theirtmeeddpe. ife* Perfrioit, though
not so billy as the Noble lacere..wm a Petition widelkwpstsid sedll
deserve the ationsion of {ht Reuse. It was fronsone or fr the most
loyal and Meer in his Majeetj'a dominant», and when
their Lot sbfpa eiwillemed that is this borough of Liverpoolowhens
the right of repreeemedes was very large, an the effect Of populal3
-erodes erne very positerfel. when their Lordships recollected that
thin bilegol.l did, in ISIS, elect so one of its representatives an in-
dividual dhiingulalied t his great learning. seal. and activity. as
one edits reheat espiteftere of the great question sow before the
Home, irlipolit was romilletionl that only tour months before thu
individual gum domed to repine.' Liverpool. he successively pro-
posed this wiesessolw the other. Mow; which was owe of the first
seceinsful attempts towards bristle.' (award this great quessioo—
whom Adds was fteellected. could there be any doubt of the real
eentimeste of Liverpool? The same iodleithial (he swam Mr.
Ceasing) not only reposed that resolution a few wombs before he
was their repretestative, lest proposed a measure limited in its tit'.
cumatmases. which induced the noun to secede to it, , and so ably
did he carry hie promodings forward, that when they were opposed
no
one was able to stand before his on this ground. A review of
these circuoustaocee would lead their Lordship., and intelligent men,
to suppose that Liveri could not be taken to be opposed to the
measure. This Petit which be (Lard G.) bad to present. was
• complete coolirmatioo of that. It was signed by upwards of
25.000 hialleiduale, all belonging to that place. The seams why
the petithmers bad sot addressed the House bedew was not their
want of seal, but the meet firm reliance os the wisdom of Parlia-
ment, and they would williugly have reunified silent, in the expec-
tation that the opinion of Perinoneot would coincide with them,
but Boding there was another petition, they thought it third duty
to let the House know that all Liverpool was not of one *Won.
Lord ELDON suppoied that after. he bad presented nine hun-
dred petitions, he bad had the enletortuee not to present ope from
a potion of commas sense. He thought Liverpool would have
done itself great injustice had it not elected a person of the talent
of Mr. Coining. What that Right Mormarable Gentleman bad
dose respecting the Catholic Question be did not know, but he
knew this, that almost the last 'words of that Gentleman, with
respect to the Dissenters was, that be would oppose their Hill—
Hear). With regard oaths respectability of the persons signing hie
Lord Eicion'e) petition, the Noble Lord faultiest one word to say.
ins the size of ;be Noble Lord's petition. which bad 2g,000
signatures, with the within which he (Lord Eldon) had presented,
his petition might be, and Was probably signed by a noilion, but
having once bad a controversy in Parliament respecting the sup,'
dimity and respectability of 60030 petitioners, be would clink, a it
pleased the Noble Lord, that his petition had all the respectability
and talent oo this occasion, sod he would say no more.
The Earl of HA DDINGTON observed, that the Noble and
Leeward' Lord (Eldoo) bad many times said diorite *Wild not te-
trads./ beelevent matter oe presenting petitions; yet, at the con-
clusion of the discussion on this important subject, he had changed
his tactics. He ought to have gone on with his observati,us with
respect to what Mr. Calming had said. It was well known that he
always advocated the Catholic Claims, and when that Right Hun.
Gentlemas said he should oppose the Test and Corporation Acts
Repeal Bill, be said be should do so because be thought it would
impede emancipation. Not that be undervalued the euniplaiuts of
the Diewnters, hut because he considered the complaints of the
Catholics as a great and peculiar grievance. He (Lord 11..ilditigton)
was sure the Noble Lord would not hoes brought forward Übe name
of the Right lion. Gentleman whom it had pleased Pnowooca to
take unto itself, in the manner which be bad Jon, without some
urgent motive.
Lord ELDON begged the House to recollect that it was not
him, bet the Noble Lord who had spoken before hini (Goderieb)
who had brought forward the same of the deceased Grotleman.
lie beg.ed to know whether theta was any Noble Lord in that
House who bad ever beard hint utter a syllable disrespectful to
Mr. Canning ? He had never spoken a disrespectful word of him,
nor ever would, of his memory, though other Nobk Lords bad.
If the Noble Lord had introduced a diwuslion upon petitions, be I
was not to be blamed fur it, but the Noble Lard who bad done it.
Lord GODERICH explained.
Several Mlle were brought up from the Comatose.
Loads Laßosa, the Rail of Roam. Lord PLTateirtil, Karl Geer.
Lord Muroe, the Karl of HADDIMITuII, tae Loan CataticaLhos,
the Marquis of Laesnowe. the Duke of Nawc.art.e. the Duke of
RICIII6OIIID, and Lord Vaanstam.presetited a great number of Pea,
1 dens foe and against Catholic Emancipation.

The Earl of ELDON commenced in a low tone .of
voice by sincerely ass's: ing their Los chhips t'sat he w old
not (ler himself to their attention, it he did n• t think:its'at
at hi, time of life, which could not last • song; he seas
bound to stare the grounds tic on which he gave his
vote in 0; position to the present measure. It n ay, ; er.
haps, be the last time (continued the Nob!e Eat I) shat
I shall have the honour of ioldiessing your L
but I still may be pet muted to state th.st I have
long times been conversant with the trlitics of this
'country, 'and that irons the first I star eJ as the te tend
' of Church and State. I hope, theiefine, your Los dstiips
well pardon me, CV n it it should appear to you that I
son wrong, if I state the wounds on which I hare, in •
the discharge of my duty, and in that manner in which
I conceived my duty requite!, fur the la t 20 years.
opposed measures of this nature whenever they ee:e
introduced. In that opposition I have hith. Ito been
supported, and assisted, and confirmed in my Omens,
by those a ish whom it is now my misfortune to ;
and I was, on Lie contras'', opposed by a rn n tie
greatest that was ever known in any time in this counts
and with whom I elegy' differed with the ; realest
pain. • I allude to the late. Mr. Par. But, My Liss's. •
that Right -Honotiable Gentleman did nut defier ws b •
me unlbe whol2 Measure; and I can assure you.. Loill•
Shirs that we. atwaytragrs eel on" every other question, .
and When this measure shall_ base passed. 1 %hal coo-
,ider it mrclaty to endeasour to allay notation tamer
than excite is, and let the people know that it is their
duty to submit to the I .ws. Whatever my own &eel
end apprehension may be on the subject, toy Lords, I can
live in r. throw:lt, conscious tat having peifincued mr
duty, arid eaercising the brat yowers of mind aloe I ate •
left to me to know whit that duty is. I can assure y• t r
Lordships tht.t there is not a man en earth who is none-
fully impressed with the idea that consistency in error is
one of the greatest blots on the character of a &AL-saran.
I have therefore always considered it my duty to g•se
this quettiun the fullest consideration wherever it was
brought forward. I have dune so on the peter.' ot.c4-
soon, and, sites the most mature delibriati ,n, I sine i,sily
dechre, so help me Goo, that I would gather pe.rh
this moment than give my coneut to the pas,ii.g (if
this Bill. Your Lordships will allow me to reset t a .a'n
to that great man to whom I before alluded. I have
been under serious obligations to him. It is true, I
never solicited a favor' from him ; but even on t: at
account I feel a greater obligation. My Lords, I nev r
sought a favour from any statesman, except to be ri-
micteJ to sense hom the cffice of Attoii e, General, in
order to perform the duties of Chief Ju,tiseot the Com-
mon Pieas. because I considered myself ad. qu.,te to
percents, those duties. How I 1 es formed them I moat
I. are t'le country to jud,:e. Man) have judg• d, pr-
h ps, too favourably, and son e very harshly i•t oat ;
but I acknowledge, and I hol is act up to the toast., ,
that &Wand expects every man to du his best ; b t
does not expect that he will do mole. Wizh re. i.i•ct,
then, to that great moneys whom I cannot :tic& a lilt-
out the greatest veneration and respect, and with w horn
is grieves me I should differ on any question—t ut, my
Lords, how did I differ from him en this que lion?
Did he ever intend or wish to introduce tins measuie
against the acme of the people, or without the nece sas y
securities in reference to the estahlishn.ent of those be-
nefits to the moral and religious pesi.le of thi; r u.,ts y,
which can only spring from that system of Chrisossinty
adopted by the Reformed Church? For the nature of
those.vecorities I refer your Lordships to the cone:pots-
deuce lately published between the It gist Honous able
Gentleman and that Monarch whose memos y I shall
cherish to the last boor of my existence—his late Ma-
jesty, King George the Third. 1 only wish your Lot d-
ships to look to those securities. The Right HAI, ar-
able Gentleman knew what was going on in the cs'usi-
tiy at that period, and his securities ate, consequently.
directed against radical doctrines. My Lords, I have
bad a great deal to do with the political affairs of this
country, and I can assure your L ird,h ps that if you
suppose you can pass this Ball without end sngei ilig the
existence of the Aristocracy and the existence of the
Monarchy of the country, by doing so you.nes et were
more mistaken. If the Rev. Bench and Lay Lords in this •
"louse have not received this caution, it is not my fault.
My Lords, I repeat that I consider consistency in error
one of the greatest stains upon the charac er of a States-
Man, end that the effect of holding this opini; n must
he, that I consider myself bound, on every race arson
that this measure is brought forward, to consid r what
my duty is; and yet, my Lords, the more I deliberate
ohoop;n etiort thilegresnyorhseareamiteri.odanispodsed for tothedge coloa rde
otlpitnation, as I
of
my fellow countrymen,•tharthis is •the most dangerous
of all the =mom which your Lordships have ever
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BOMAN CATHOLIC 14-6.LItY BILL.

The Duke of WELLINGTON having moved the Order of the
Day for the fiord roadies& of the Roman Catholie Relief
The Marquis of Caress, the Earl of lii.nos, and several othor
Noble Lords, rose to address the Moat.. There was a very gene-
-4%1 call for Lord ELM., but his Lordship gave way to
The Marquis of CAMDEN, who sail, that, as the
Noble and Learned Lord (Eldon) wished to address the
House, he would not have stood in his way for a met.
meat, bot that it seemed to be the desire of the Noble
and Learned Lord that be (Lord Camden) should ad-
dresithe House; and he assured their Loidslitps that
he should occupy their attektion but a vet y shot t time.
Boras be was one of those who bad mired from office
—nifftl; in the year lbol, in company with Mr. Pitt,
Mr. Windham, and Mr. Dundas, had retired from office
betswee such a measure as thepresent was nut brought
iorwatd—he could not reconcile himself to give alto-
gether a silent vote on the present occasion. He could
not bdt express his satisfaction that the measure bad
been.brought forward by his Majesty's Government,
and the manner in which it had been introduced ; and
he was sure the measure would be receised with gra-
titude by the people of Ireland, and that the people
of England would shortly see the benefit of it, and re-
joice that It had been passed.
Lord GRENVILLE did not intend to detain their
Lordships by repeating any of those arguments which
had been so powerfully urged in support of this mea-
sure; but be also bad held office, although compara-
tively an unimportant one, and had resigned with the
Government because they could not bang down a
Message from his Majesty to the same effect as that
brought down by the Noble Duke. He hid likewise
been one of the Committee which had established the
anniversary festival of the birth-day of Mr. Pitt, for
the purpose of celebrating that great stateman's opi-
nions, and had been driven from that society because
it adopted sentiments which he was satisfied sw,re di-
rectly opposite to the sentiments of Mr. Pitt, notwith-
&landaus the delusion which bad been practised on the
country to induce them to believe that they were the
saase. He agreed with the Noble Lord Who had just