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of the irmy, not One retie Was raised in defenerlif
the navy—(lYear,
hear ) Bat-when they touched the
foot guards, all was alarm. It they once touched
any part of the horse guards, which heed be sides
of the streets throng): fairich the Prince Regent had
to pass, the whole country was exposed to destruc-
tion—all would be se..llowed up by France.—
In 1792 there was much greeter cause fur alarm than
at the present moment. (i.e would only state to the
House, that if in this vote lie should be defeeted he
despaired of doing any good in the way of economy.
The Noble Lord seemed to have a curious notion of
numbers ; he called 15(00 men a small army, and
he called 68 a great majority.. (A laugh.) Now, he
thought this on the other hand a very small majority;
and, above all, they ougle to take into account that it
was a decreasing majority at every stop. This eves
rather a poor complintect to the eloquence of the
Nohle Lord. On the first division the majority was
120—by one speech alone of the Noble Lord, be lon
20 votes ; and altogether the Nebl - Lord lout been
going on losing votes, at the rate of eight and a frac-
tional part for every hour spoken by him. (A laugh.)
If he were diiappointed in tiiis, he hat but little hopes
ef good from any epposition, however success' oil, to the
Property Tax. He could not wonder to see Gen:le.
men, who had made most splended speeches in tie
City, voting with Ministers for the estalsliehments.—
He owned he attached ten times mere imp stance to
the present eptestion than to the Property Tee. The
area was a qaestion of mere money/ but this was a
question of vital iloportai‘ce to the country—whether
it was to chenge its whole farm and constitutional
system. When he said grin he did not mean to im-
pute to lelmisters a deliberate system of overturning
the Constitution--lie acquitted them nientertainieg
a deliberate system on any subject—(laugh.) But
though they mtget net. deliberately plan the over.
throw of the Censt(tirion, he reotrld say that the mea.
sures they were Pursuing put the Constituiion in great
d Inger. Ad Honoureble Gentleman (Mr C.-Grant,
jail.) on a former evening. had enlarged on tile qui.-
lity possessed by our Constitution of making an ade-
quate resistance in every great pressure. he should
doubt, however,- whether the London part of the
Constitution was F.T. eif itself to bear the pressure of 9
or 10,000 troops. But, at all events, he iaW no rea-
son for making the trial. If they were to have a peace
without any of the blessings of peace—if they were
to be cursed with a large standing army—if teis was
the result of all the sacrifices which we had made,
he would defy any man to show where we were
to draw our resources for war—(l-lear, hear.)—
The mere saving of the 5,000 men -which itt the first
instance would be effected was not all, they wouli
find other sayings to depend on it—they would cot
need, for instance, the same number of Oillcere ere
the Staff. He laughed at all the Estimates of the
men absolutely necessary for this or that duty, be-
cause he knew the gainer from which they came,
the Head Sofa' at the Horse-Guards. He had the
highest respect for the Dt:ke of York, but no elan
would convince him the: at the meetings at the Horse
Guards would any great zeal be meeinoted for a re-
duction in the number of our creeps. If there were
Ino enemy to be apprehended, why keep up 111,e')0
men for the defence of the British Empire ?. They
Inig'lt sat. that such and such a number were nee( s.
3.1r7 to &fend this or th tt piece in ease et tette,* ;
but when we !fed na creetey to apprehend. sell wee:
we to pieeume an attack on every one of cur Foss-ee-
! siens ? The Hence, hewever. ought to bear el :tees
'in mind, that the 5000 men now eroporee to
be reduced, ler I nothing to do with the force neces-
sary for our. Foreign Possessions—their service did
not extend beyond a limited circle round Londea.-e.
When he first heard 4 the necessity for such a mine-
bei of men to be stationed along the coact of Devon,
he had asked a eritieery min it it was requisite to
have all these men to keep the French from lending
at Dover f —No, he answered, it was not; but if the
French should come somewhere else, such a force
would prevent them. from getting back again that way
(larch).—He repeated, these was no occasion for one
man more now than in 1792--again and evil) 'he
wished there. to bear in mind the effect which would
be produced out of doors—that every man understood
the question—that it required no military skill—that
these troops were merely so many assistants to the
police—and what was more, to give a new degree of
splendour. It was a question between the country
and the Court, and nothing else (hear).—Let Gen-
tlemen support the Court if they would, but • let him
tell them they were supporting the Court. If they
would not practise economy here,
.he wished to aslc
when they intended to practise it—if they would not
now reduce the establishments, when and where
would they reduce them ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended that
the number of troops proposed to be kept up was not more nu.
merous than accessary, and urged the impolicy of discharging this
excellent and veteran force. and entailing an expellee on the
country to raise another force very inferior in its mtztate.
The House then divided—Fur reducing the Household Troops
and the Guards one half, 128—Against, 210—M1o:icy 82.
Another divider) took place, on a motion of Mr. %V rsu r, for
equalizing the expence of the Cavalry and Househt.):l 'Creeps
by which a saving of £20,0t.0 was proposed—The numb, rs w.ro
For the motion 122—Against it 201—Majority 7 9.
Lord PA I.MERS fON moved that ae333,692 be sr.)te,i for the
service of the Cavalry and Waggon Train of Great Britain fin
the year 1816.
Mr. TIERNEY moved that the Chairman should report pro-
gress, and ask leave to sit ag.Jn.
The House divided—For the Resolution. 125; Arlon it, 62.
—Majority, 64. •I'he Resolution was then agreed to.
The Chairman then reported progress, and asked leave to sit
again Ibis day.
Lord CASTLEREAGH postponed moving for leave to bring
in a Big for better securing llonaparte in the island of St. Helena,
till this day.—Adjourned at HALT-r.t.iT One O'CLOCK.

THZ EARL or MassaarENE.—We have already
noticed the death of CHICHESTER SKEFFINOTON, Earl
of Nlassareene, B.iron Loughneagh, at his seat, in
Ireland. His Ltirdship succeeds his brother HENRY,
the late Earl, in June, 1811, and married HARRIET
JOSCELYN, the eldest daughter of ROZERT, Earl of Ito-
den, by wham he has left an only daughter. married
to the Right Hon. Thomas FOSTER. The Earl dying
without issue male, we understand, the title is ex-
tinct. Sir LUMLEY SKEFIPINOTON is the lineal male
descendant of the elder branch of the
Miss Ttanrrar.t., who made her debar, as a singer,
in the Christmas Entertaigment, at Drury Lane
Theatre, and gave the highest promise of future ex-
cellence. i~ alt.hMisri'Andayr
and Master
uneawsterThWeatirLeier English .
eOngpearged as.
LIARS, now in the Covent Garden Company, are said
be ebe puss 01 Mr. TuMiVtsl.• the Composer.