Star.
London, England, 1826-04-11 00:00:00

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Mated a probability, that Oe sbonld be disposed to re
sign, if the preseofdymaster of the Navy should by any
_circumstances be rented from his situation. This he
thought an extraorSinary intimation. A person at the
-bead of a great Government Department, could not
say with a very g. od grow,-that if his subaltern re.
signed, he should resign too.- The subaltern, however,
in such a departaient, ought—always to be a person qua.
lifted to succeed the principal. Much had been said of
the hardships upon his Majesty's Ministers, but he
thought it very hard not upon his Majesty's Ministeis,
but upon his Majesty's Opposition, that thee/ should. be
placed in an embal-rassing siutation hy this proposition.
Why should •Ministers tike a pleasuie, and particularly at this mo-
ment. in thus dragging them through the mire-. The plain object
or 'Abutters was to get one more added to their number • In- that
Hodge. The necessity which the discussion had imposed upon the
Right Hos. Gentleman himself of speaking upon a subject ou which
it would, no doubt. have been more agreeable to him to' remain
silent, was in itself a proof of the impropriety of the mepure. And
ealtbough he got it through as well, and with as much grace as possi-
ble, be certainly ougbt•not to have been placed in so painful a situa-
tion. He should oppose the bringing op of the Report. in order to
afford an oppertonity to floss. Members to record their dissent from
Orii very unconstitutional manner of doing a very unnecessary thing.
Lord GLENOItCHY seconded-the amendment, an i
observed upon thewbvious diference between the principles and
the practice-of the Chancellor of she Exchequer. Ministerial Irian.
mice in this House was already more than sufficient, since many
benChes were fined with those who were placemen, and pensioners
of the Crown.
Air. Secretary CANNING....--On a question of so 'much
personal feeling on this and the other side of the House,
he was very aslious, before Hon. Gentlemen came to a
vote, to state, as briefly and as plainly as possible. his
view if the-question. He could not give a much better
pro.,f °This disposition to treat the matter with all fair.
tress, than to assure the Hon. Geryleman
,who spoke last
but one, that he would not take advantage of toe oppor-
tunity the amendment afforded of stating, that the Hon.
Gentleman meant to offer an obstruction to the whole
pl4O, when, in fact, the opposition was only directed to
one patticulatipart of that plan. It could not be on.
derstood, after what had passed, that the amendment
implied the slightest blame or disparagement of the
President of the Board of Trade—(flear.)—The Hon.
Member (Mr. Hobhouse) had asked why the present
unfavourable time was taken for introducing such a
proposi ion? The answer was plain: the question, in
fact, originated with those whom the Hun. Gentleman
had designates his Majesty's Opposition—(Hear, and
langider.)—Government had not entertained the slight-
est intention of proposing the change until the sugges-
tion came from the other side of she House in a former
Session. This suggestion had certainly been made under
better auspices—when the pecuniary affairs of the coun-
try had a more flourishing aspect, but the time was the
misfortune. not the fault of Ministers; k was their mis-
fortune to be obliged to bring forward this question at
a moment less favourble than that at which the sugges-
tints had been made; that suggestion was received with
aeohmation, although the motion was now met with
critical objections. The hint having been given in the
latat year, Ministers thought they could not shrink from
ltheadoption of it in the present. He could further in-
;kin} the Hon. Gentleman, that Ministers had received
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Atn intimation, from what they conceived good authority,
that if Government did not sir in this -famine*, some
•Memliefof the opposition would ; so that, in point of
'time atleastohose who brought forward the vote were
c'lllplM'' IX!' If!' from 14;:f.'1Sibilitys 4(Ahe were
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II 4 `rhi.l4 -f 1 • ig- .1 - the ' ' I
et;ltee ctn piats. one n t tpe 0 %ces, y sacra-
.., iicc...sf. she:othm, havahauld aortal* sacrifice the Pre-
:lamer of the Board.,of 'Trade,-sutdaetain that-of the
.T, easutership of 'the: Navy.': This' he would do with a
,',llieit 4 ilia, general . advantage of the Government,
rather ;bap come 01- the cornprpmise which was now
claimed. Louk back to the history of the two offal'.
11 seemed td*be contended that they were so naturally
United,' that ifothiog but the most barbarous policy
Coold.ever .separa.e them, .The Board of Trade had
existed long before the time of Mr. Barite's speech on
Etohomital Befouls.* speech which still remained as
a monument Of his genius: ,The salary of the President
of the Boasd' of Wrede, Was front Bto 10,0001. This
-.was Sharethed by Ma..:l3twkds means, and other officers
'''of Gorto ** n undertook the. duties of the office. At
*vtlitii'itte'COti.!rfr: But ke recommended some reforms
;11,14,440.9,1,Vrea5uier of the Navy and Paymaster
of the Army on the same principles, and, therefore,
'what' fre said as ns'the one applied to the other. What,
- "'thin, 'sass Me. Barke'S proposal with respect to the
Tseasurership of the Navy..which was then an office of
.: great emolument? Did be propose to abolish it, or say
they the. Treaserei aught not to have a seat in Paha-
; Istent? . „Isto'gisichitring.;„l.He proposed that the public
,_ , mooey, ,tirlstelt tilesa prided .great emolument to the
AlsAisse, should .be. :placed- in -she Beak,. but. at the
i.' 'spites dom. he ,tall, "'Goo forbid that he should
xish
.; 01 tdisth the "tvgadar emoluments of an im-
portint Mee, usually held by men of the highest
. rank," meaning., of course, rank in talents and emi-
nefiCe.inithe' House of Commons. The public money,
' ::tlicil‘itototding to Mr. Burke, ought co be kept at the
„„Phipty; .!)10hg Ned
,oq‘ idea of abolishing an office verse-
: 'ruble- for its antiquity, and generally held, by men of
dad most invistent cadence in -the House of Commons..
The B aid of Trade wet then' tit of Shed, and its duties
throwtouponadter pfficers oi GOierairsant ; and in' 1785
a Bill prised, piecing she office of Treasurer of the
Navy upori the' loosing which it' stood till 1817, the
public n,oney being kept in the , Bank, and the Treas.
.Wilea,salaiy. being, 4.9001. . I%ut the office bad been
.1).11.1 as.tt. Sten aloes as conjoined with another. It was
trate. that Mr. Dundasilleld it while he was at the same
time President of the Board of Controul. "In 1790 the
Presidency of the Board of Coot:mil became a salaried
office, the salary being '2OOO/. in contemplation of the
4.000.; which Mr. Dundas had. as Treasurer of the
Navy, on the prinziple that the emolument might be
• about equal to that of Secretary of State. Thus the
matter good tiff 17.0, when Mr. Ryder succeeded or
the office of 'Treasurer 'of the Navy, but not to the Board
of Cootro.ol. In 1801. Nll.•Brthurst succeeded to the
office.of Treasurer of the N say. and held it without any
other office. In 180Si:the Lett lion. Gei.t. opposite
INlr.Xierney) held the Treasurership withoutany other
• -00ice.,;In 1804, he himself (Ml. Canning) succeeded to
, ths Treitstorfship, and held it without any other office.
to 0.3'06: :Auagleiwiii), succeeded him, and held the'
's '6l2ll)%ePAelitch., - 1e.,1807, Mr. Rose succeeded Mr.
SlietiJan in thisirofficaewitd held it along with the office
~'_. isiViCe PreiideA cif,V.,e' 'Board of Trade, and so the
to ,I4ll4a,itond All 4slt, In.that year Mr. Ruse ceased,
to be ,Thce,..Presiderit of 1 she Bowl of Trade, • and
,heisi ths. office of Treasurer of the Navy alone for six.
.. !Slrs.iftee. 'alt the day ot.his death; so that it was a
114.1
**Oa to.iuppoietliat 014 ce Was alWa,t‘ held
. .40fiafir .1441,itnother. othee. ~Itsbad beeisbeldValte as,
often alone. The oak:: was certainly not a *immure .
What the Might lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. TietueV