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Eon the 1101444- 161 bmak‘,llP/7tlit, Mr 91104 for 40
alflu. the th of July, he (t ht
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4V-4,.ta TM for thepT of appllyiqg for
die teuseet Parliament,. out writ smekent
Wilt expense of this belldlng-co not, Oretiers4 be
flefrityed.friste the pthfic perse. •
Lord NUGENT said that he concurred in the
-views bE his Hoo. Friend below him, declaring, how-
mart at the sante time, that his objection to the Bill
before the House rested upon general grounds. It
mattered 'not to hint whether Barr shouldels ould be
built in one place or in another, of what 'night be
the expense of such buildings, as such peints were,
his view, of-minor consideration,' for be objected
the buildieg of Barracks at hear 1 On
Opposition benches) and his objection was
rounded upon the very same reason that induced the
Noble Secretary at War avowedly to support them,
He objected to the barrack system as
_highly uncon-
stitutional, because it served to draw a line of de-
marcation, or to break that connection and inter-
course between the soldiery and thp people, which
ought to-subsist in a free country. He disapproved,
indeed, of the barrack system, because, as BraCkstone
observed, it operated to prevent that circulation of
feeling 'and opinion between the citizen and the sol-
dier which was essential_ to the maintenance of it free
Constitution. These sentiments might be deemed
old-fashioned or unpopular in that House, but he
would still continue to support them, because they
were congenial with the principles of constitutional
liberty—because they were consecrated by the high
authority of Sir George Saville and Lord Chatham'
—because they were sanctioned by the eminent wis-
dom and political purity of Sir William Jones, whose
sentiments with regard to the best means of providing
for the defence of the country, enforced as those sen-
timents were by the genius, the judgment, and the
public spirit of the writer, ought to be engraven in
gold, for the instruction tied guidance of that House.
The Noble Secretary at War had observed, that the
barrack system was advisable, with a view to pre-
serve a corporate system in the army; but he depre-
cated that system precisely because it had the ten-
I dency which the Noble Lord applauded, and parti-
'cularly because the existence of such a corporate
spirit could not be too strongly deprecated at a
period of peace. But this Barrack system, it was
peculiarly the duty of the friends of liberty to with-
stand, as it evidently led to the establishment of a
Military Government. He, however, begged Gen-
tlemen to consider the fate of the Military Govern-
ments of the Continent, which were in a state of dis-
traction, and nearly crumbling to atoms. This was
indeed the case of every one of those Governments,
,the Turkish Government alone excepted, which had
been able to controul civilization and intellect. It
was known from all the records of history, that a
Government which depended alone for security on
a military force, stood upon the most precarious
grounds. History indeed afforded the most impres-
sive lessons upon this subject ; the Governments
which relied alone upon the fidelity of the sol-
diery being very frequently the victims of the
passion and caprice of that very soldiery, as was
the' case with regard to the Pretorian bands of
Rome..and the Janissaries of the East—(Hear, hear).
But how Many cases had occurred in which tho
sol-
didry dethroned the very man by whom they were
' most favoured, and to whom they were peculiarly
the objects of confidence. There was indeed a cer.
lain recent event in this country, into the details
'which he should not enter, but which was calculated
to afford much useful instruction upon the subject.
Noble Secretary at War had thought proper to
nttsibute what he (Lord Nugent) obierved on a for-
Wier evening to political feeling. Yet he would-not
retAiate that charge, nor was he disposed to make
any such charge upon his-Majesty's Ministers. But
he felt it his duty to say, that if Ministers coolly and
deliberately determined upon the establishment of a
Military GOvernment ire this country, they could not
take a more effectual course for their object than by
doubling the peace establishment of the Army, and
covering the country with Barracks—(Hear). In
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reeding the history of the present times, there were
certain questions which our posterity worald naturally
pet, and which it might not be amist on this occa-
sion to repeat in that House. They would ask how
it happened that in the year 1819, the trade and ma-
nufactures of England-should be in a state of unpre-
-Icedented distress, after the conclusion of a war un-
dertaken and prosecuted, as its advocates declared,
,to obtain " indemnity for the past and security for
the future 7' also, why the military force of the coun-
ts; should be mere than doable its usual peace iota-
Ishshment at a period of universal peace? and also
why orders should be made for the erection of Bar-
racks throughout the country, and additional ex-
pense thus unnecessarily incurred, while our finances
Were in such a condition that our annual expeudi4
Nacre could not be defrayed without the aid of loans?,
(Hear). On a late occasion, he made a motion with
t to certain additional allawances, which 'bd
were granted to the Guards when em 4
tileyed in preserving the peace of the Metropolisi
'The Secretary at War 'stated, thet seek elloviapets
here always_ made in kind. NOw he found from the
apepan to his motien, which was laid before the
Hama, that the allowance alluded to was 9d. a day
to each Non-commiesioned Officer and soldier who
should be so employed, such allowance to be dis-
posed of according to the direction of the Command-
ing (lacer. Hence it appeared that the public money
had been granted in a way unknown to that House,
and which had never been acknowledged or stated
in the Estimates laid before Parliament. This he
could. not help thinking a most reprehensible pro-
ceeding;_atill,• _however, through a consideration for
the spirit of theximes, he should refrain at present
from !flaking any raotion upon the subject. But with
respect to Ile:Motion before the House, he should
never case to septa bate the system to which it re.
retied, while. he lied the honour to be a Member of
that House.—A division then took place, and tl,
numbers were= • •

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Pr4ero W be e°Wrni(cifi 43411Pr0v.
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11301 ORder Jot...the P4r.3est mid .for theßouse
going into a Committee on tl.is
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Sir J..M4RJOItIBANKS moved, is an, instruc-

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on to the CClDMielll, toluptal the 59th of Geo. 111.
:by which acestain Day was imposed cm Barley,
and to substitute for its Daty of a less amonnt.
A question of order hose, whether this instiuttiou
could be received by did" Retie.
After seine hire by the gPRAIERR, Mr.
GRANT, Mr. BARIUM, and the Cuatcciuttamt of the
EXCNIQUIR, the instruction was withdrawn. ;
Lord A. HAMILTON complained that the Chan-
cellor of the ExcbetpuT did pot take this subject into
liis consideration at an earlier period of the Session.
The subject was pressed upon him, but he postponed
its consideration, until the Session was nearly closed.
By the 59th of GeOrge HI. the perpetual Duty im-
posed on Malt in Scotland was 2s. 6d. and the an-
nual Duties were 7d. in Scotland, and , Is. 3d. in
Edgland. Since then, an Act was passed repealing
both these Duties, and Is. was imposed on both.—
Thus the Duties were reduced; in England by 3d,
,and increased in Scotland by sd. In Scotland, also,
there was a Tax imposed on Beer, which did not
`exist in this country, and which was altogether inde-
rndent of any Duty imposed by the -Right Hon.
,gentleman. With respect to the distilleries in Scot-
land, the regulations lately made by tie Right Hon.
Gentleman, had the effect of preventing" Any large
distilleries from continuing to work in Scotland. If
It bud been his intention by those regulations to en-
courage -the small distilleries, the Duties on Malt
had the effect of counteracting those intentions. the
result was, *the increase of unlicensed distilleries in
that part f the United Kingdom.
Ur. DUNDAS agreed with *the Noble Lord in the
correctness of his statements, and the propriety of is
object ; but contended, that the delays were not to
be attributed to his Right Hon. Friend (the Chan.
cellor of the Exchequer), but to those who had it in
their power to make the presett application earlier,
pnd who had not done so.
• The House then went into the Committee.
Sir J. MAItJORIBANKS said, that he must op-
pose the Bill. He complained of the precipitancy
with which it had been brought forward, while most
of the Members intorested were in Scotland. Ile
thought it hard to exkraceas high a Duty from the
poorer country, Scotlalsd, as from England. He
generally supported Ministers, but he would oppose
'diem on this measure in every word—(A
Most people who visited Scotland, did- them the
honour to acknowledge the superiority of their Agri-
culture, and the Right Hon. Gentleman, in laying
on the additional Duty, had given as -one reason
why the Scotch Malt was able to bear as heavy a
Duty as the English, the improved state of Agricul-
ture in Scotland: but was it ever before in the world
offered to impose a heavier Duty on any people, be-
cause they used more skill and industry tlkan their
neighbours'—(flear, hear).--He had refused to pre-
sent a Petition against t!he Bill; because he did not
think at the time that the Right Hon. Gentleman
was in earnest in laying on the new Duty ; he did
lust believe that he would even persist in it. He
pointed out the effect which heavy Duties had in
diminishing consumption, and thereby impairing the
resources of the Revenue. When he (Sir J. MArjori-
banks) was a young man, he recollected very well
that claret was no more than £l5 per hogshead ;
now it was from £lOO to £llO, and the consequence
was, that no claret was drank there at ail--(lfeer,
hear, and lauglster).—John Home, the anther of
Douglas, had written—
Hardy and bold the Caledonian stood,
n Cold was his'mutton, and his claret good;

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" Let him drink port,' the haughty Statesman cried;
" He drank ¶he poison, but his spirit died !"
-But what said the Statesman now, when he was do
longer able to taste porto nor even whiskey ? Let
him drink beer ! Yet the prophecy of John Homo
had not been Tully realized, he had drank the poison
but the spirit had not died—witness several proof;
which the enemy had received of the contrary during
the late war—(Gheers).--The House resumed, and
the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.

MISCELLAWILII.
The Report on the Sale of Spirits' Bill was brought u?, the
Amendments were agreeeto, ind the Bill was ordered to be
read a third time to-morrow.
The Report of the Committee on the Spirit Intercourse MU
was brought up, and the MU was ordered to be reed a thltd
time to-morrow.
It was ordered that to-morrow the House should *solve itself
into a Committee an the Irish Distillers' Bill. '•
The House resolved itself into a Committee on the Scotch
Distilleries Bill. A clause was added, by way of rider, the
H come resumed, the Report was brought up and read, and the
Bill passed.
The Irish Insolvent Debtors' Bill passed. •
Mt. MARTIN moved, that the Order which stood for to.
morrow, requiring the attendance at the. Bar of the /louse, of
the Printer and Publisher of the Morning Herald, should be dis-
charged—The Order was accordingly discharged. • •
On the motion being ma*,that the Mow ,cio..atliOuro,
General HART rose to camellias' of some unlawfulproceed-
ings which he said had lately hken place in Ireland; and 're-
ins which be wished to have some explanation from -a.
.t Hon. Gentleman, whom he then saw in Ms place. lie
iimderstood that a man, suspected -of having smuggled • tobaeito
.his possession, had been fired at near Derry, and shot through
the body by tome officers', before any questions were put to him,
before be could have my time or *portenier t 0 make- tin
miplanation respecting this bsisineos. fie wished to Irstow•iLE
account of this transaction bad been officially communi
to Government? Thera. a& another eiresmistinee on'
efts
he wished to have some information. Wei peraone-bAd be
tried for most heinous offences, and afterwards readveta reds
•wisheth know at whose recententiffiffiems- mid
ClelliLhat cause, this bad beep dope T • oi
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER seidabat his
Right Hon. Prierid. the Secretary for lieland, tritc4lone was
competent to glye an answer to these questiOns, bad gene away
from the House • and as he Massif was ignore re of the Amway,
hided to by the Hen. General, he could ere bin no information
sespecting.them.. His. Right Hun. FHend, "bOvreVer, ieow4 he
hi his place to-morrow, and be ready to give arty esylanation is
his power to the Hon. General.
The other Orders of the Day wete'then disposed •
ef, and the House adjourned.
THR MINORITY -
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miaow vu tILL roa Smarm saw lisalAclat at ma moasart's
ealti.:••IVLT
Abercromby, Hn. J. Pergusson, Sir R.C. Orli, Winton
Hon fitaom. Lard C. • Powleu,. Ham Wm.
Henry Graham, J. R. G. Palmer, C. .rys:bi
Sang; R. Gram, Sandra(' .n*a., G. Inn.*
Somihrft Sir J. P. ,Greet, J, p. Reboots, atom
Burets, S. 'Clenorchy, Lord Rowley, Sir Wain.
Netts, John • Hathilloo, teird A.' *nut. •
Calcraft, J. IL ..Solthosse, i, 10. rionservits.
coiburne, N. R. Uutchinson,Hn.C.ll,TayloirlL A.
Calvert, Chutes ' 'Herrifieete, Ste O. Whit* jaluf - •
Coffin, Sie Ism .• Lemma-SON. Wffies;.reogias
=ejnlAcze.a.F;iirei,n4t;if,itt.
Han. ,
Davies, T. H. • SI14; Calera% John
Mike, Edward Newman, at. W. Nugent, Lent