Star.
London, England, 1827-06-21 00:00:00

(hear, hear)--a fault which was aggravated and in-
creased by the certainty *tat it would produce retalia-
tion—Meer, btuaalj He trusted that .eare would
taken.mbotp side*, -sot in future- to give that provo-
cation which had now taken place. The Noble toed
i had stated Apt attacks had been made in that House.
on a late occasion, on the other House .of
;went and that—wswis had been cited as used by
ndividuals which had.never been need; he had heard,
he admitted, severe terms applied to individuals in
their capacity as Ministers, and the propriety of using
hose terms must be judged of, in the first instance, by
the persons using them, and subsequently by the pub.
lic ; but as to the attacks on the other House of Par-
liament, he could not 'collect any. apd he should say,
there had been none made during the late proceedings ;
and if any improper imputations had beets made against
individuals, they had escaped his (Earl Grey's) obser-
vation. As to the words mentioned by the Noble Lord,
he did not know to what he alluded. though his state
merit, at the beginning of his speech, of not knowing to
what the Noble Earl near him (the Earl of Winchel-
seal-had alluded, seemed, by his reference to those
words, not to be well founded; and the Noble Lord
.(Lord Goderich) had not much difficulty in conjectur-
ing what was the particular object which called forth
the animadversions of the Noble Earl. He did nut
wish to allude more particularly to the subject; but if
such discussions were again to occur, he did hope that
the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack would
exert himself, and-no person could do it • with greater
propriety and arith more interest, to -.sew the, bad
effects—(Hear, hear) which such relleitions, coming
from persons high in authority. must have; and
which they above all mei', from their ,situation
indi their place, were bound to avoid—(Hear, hear).
Aluch reflections, coming from persons in authority,
struck at the vary csence end independence of
esrliatnent, vilifying the character—more severely vi i•
-Eying the character of thtat Houge;tfian he ever before
recullected it to have been vilified by a person holding
the situation of a Minister of State; using terms and
expressions first applied to individuals, and next to all
those who supported certain measures. tending to excite
batted throughtnik tba &wintry against., the character
and proceedings id Pailliansent, and used also when oa
der the law as it nor stood, end as it had been madeby
those who now used these tombs; a second offence might
end these persons into banishment. He trusted that
the conduct which h id of late bees adopted *itb regard
to one topic. tbou,ch it Mid been attended Wide bad
effete'. would •not destroy the has mony between the
two Houses, which, did it take place, would, be agreed
with the Noble Viscount, put a stop to all the business
of the Legislature. He hoped that care would be taken
to inspire those with more caution who had been intem-
perate, and whose intemperance had provoked retalia-
tion—(Hear)—and caused all the mischief which had
taken place. He had said jus much, not without due,
deliberation on this insportt subject; and he would,
express his hope, that the conduct and firmness of their
Lordships would be such as to become the character of
that House.

The Marquis of LANSDOWN only rose for the par!
pose of expressing his entire concurrence with what h
fallen from all the Noble Lords, as to the propriety of
not alluding to what occurred in the other House of
Parliament; and if anything could have confirmed the
conviction he entertained on th s subject, it was seeing
that no person could take pa,t in such irsegularities,
I and it was admitted they s, etc irregularities, who was
not led, as his Noble Friend had been leil. woos-.
scioosly. he was well aware, to indulge in resisals chit
were opposed co the rule of n•rt altuding 10 what eis
curred in the other House of Parliament. It was not,
however, true, as his Noble Fri. nd seemed to think, that
there was no way of alluding to opinions given out in
'another place. at least to such opinions as found their
way into the record of the D ily Press; for though they
could not take notice of what was said in the other
House, whenever what passed thete was reported in the
public papers, and they contained anything which was
contrary to the dignity and privileges of that House,
the regular course of proceeding-4 course which had
been followed—was to call the printer of the paper to
their Lordships bar, and compeltim them to state the
grounds of his proceedings. He stated this at what
had been done, and as the only regular and conven't's
course which could be pursued for taking notice 01
what occurred ekes here—(f-fear, bear.) If Noble'
Lords, however, thought he meafit to recommend that
course on the present occasion—if they thought that he
wasansious, whenever their Lordships felt particularly
sensitive and sore at what appeared in the Daily Press,
to recommend them to Osry this course into execu.
tion, they were mistaken. He thought that it was
far more consistent with the dignity of their Letdships.
as individuals, and with the dignity of the House, that
they should rely on their own character and proceed.
ings to defend them against any imputations, than to
enter upon every occasion into a sensitive and querulous
inquiry. Before he sat down, he wished to confirm the
statement of his Noble Friend as to the proceedings
which had taken place in that House. Expressions had
certainly been quoted in that House, and alleged to
have been used in the other House, which never had
been used, and which were calculated to throw * stigma
on individuals for dischorgir.g their duty, and to bring'.
discredit on the House—(Hear). His Noble Friend hid
stated very accurately, be had no doubt, that he had not
beard those expressions on a former occasion: but that
only proved that his Noble Friend was more taken up with
attending to the business of the House, than ioillfittiog all
the s. °ids which might be used in debate, and he Ife,d,
theirfne not heard th.)se precise words to which he would'
not further allude, for the sake of harmony, dad which
he wished might never More be alluded to. As an in-
dividual Member of that House, as well as in his other
character, he could assure Iris Noble Friend, that he
would take all the care in his power to prevent a course
'of allusions, which, he agreed with other Noble Lords,
ought to be avoided on all occasions, as they were only
calculated to etc to more angry feelings than there
was any necessity, should enter into any of the discus.
lions which arose in the discharge of their duty in Par.
iiament.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought there would be a
want of consistency when they permitted the newspapers
to publish rrports of the proceedings in Parliament, to
call the printers and publi.bers of newspapers to their
liar to viticricate their character. He could not agree
with what the Noble blarciois had recommended on this
subject. It was a principle, he thought, of great pro.
piety and great utility, that no notice should be tak-n
in either Huese of Parliament of w h it was said in the
other. It was practically impossible that one Hous-
should interfere with the other. As to the feelings of
Noble Lords at the observations which bad been made
elsewhere, betook' say that he felt for them nothing but