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London, England, 1816-04-12 00:00:00

INSOLVENT DEBTORS.

Mr. BROUGHAM rose to present a Petition from
the City of Westminster, which, though not signed
bii the whole number of the inhabitants, he did not
doubt, spoke the sentiments of them all ; it was on
the subject of the Rules of the King's BenCh Prison,
a system in which were found the .greatest aggrava-
tion of cases of Insolvent Debtors,—fHear, hear),—
as the purposes of coercion,, where it might be ap.
plied to the advantage of the Creditor, were entirely
defeated, and the fraudulent had an inducement to
proceed in their nefarious speculations. The plan of
such debtors was; when their necessities had hunted
them to the threshold of a prison to get the rules,
take a hackney-coach, and, driving along Westmin-
ster Bridge, enter upon comfortable lodgings, where
they live in 'ease and plenty upon the property of
their cveditors, for three months, and then get a re-
• lease under the Insolvent Act. It was true, that if
• any escapes took place, from this laxity of detention,
the Marshal of the King's Bench was answerable to
the Creditors hi the amount, of the Debtor's liabilities.
•But he would be careful to whom he granted this
indulgence; and there was very little temptation to
. exceed the *bounds 'of the • Martini's permission of
freedom. There were several instances where debtors
bad suffered no restraint et all; in one case, which
• occurred no great while ago, the *debtor went to live
at Hanipton Court by virtue of these rules:..-nay, in
• onelpstanee, the iiergon who, in the eye of the law,
• • was in close custod7, was in fact gone a voyage to
the Cattineot. .Tbere was another flagrant instance
effranterr and knavery combined .under this sys-
bear, which he could not help repeating to the House.
•''' "A' man, wh• was going to take the benefit of the
Act, bad the audacity to esti in his way at the shop
of one of bit treditors, and there purchase a gold
watch and chalk, to sport with in these circumstan-

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• 'lark :417:11.
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C. These were the grounds of-she ob'atw to
system; it was radically bad, and produced invoice; '
lable mischief. The Fleet Prima, too, had its rules,,
and the same kind of injury.to the honest: part .ot•
society resulted from them a from the King's Bench.
If it were not for these abuses, the complaints against,
the Insolvent Debtors' Act would not be so numerous.
Mr. LOCKHART said, that if the Insolvent
Debtors' Act were as just as he contended it was un-
just, these roles would operate as an excitement to..in.
solvency Arid fraud.
Mr. ABBItCRPMBIg did not wishio detain the
House on this subject, btit as a lilember of the Com-
mittee, to which it was intended to refer this petition,
he would observe that it would be the duty of that
Committee to take evidence and examine witnesses
respecting those- rulei, so that they might obtain a
thorough knowledge of the system. He could add
his testimony as to the abuses which existed among
those who were not deserving of such indulgencies.
Heirlieved that there were many honest persons sent
to prism for debt, who afterwards, by the influence
of baNcompany, had become capable of resorting to
those schemes of fraud and injustice complained of.
It was theduty of the Legislature to interfere, if the
creditor would ant, to stop the progress..of the syi-
Agin,. which had thus been brought under the hatice
of the` House.
Mr. HORNER expressed his pleasure that this
discussion bad taken place, and was confident more
good would result to the public if this subject were
thoroughly invegigated, and the evil remedied, than
from any measure which had been.adopteti for many
years. , . :;
-Mrs BROIIGHAM obseived, that it was only the
wealthy and knavish debtor that could 4buse the rules.
The poor most be *pored iN prison, while the rich
had only to changeisiwthidence.
Mr. BENNEW said, •that the sum derived an.
nuttily from the riot .of oaks in the King's Bench
was about £3,500, and that the Fleet was preferred
in the winter, and the King's Bench in the summer.
The Petition was ordered, to •be referied to the
Committee on the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
Lord CA sTLE R EAG H moved, that the Hpu se,
at its rising, should adjourn to Wednesday, the 21. tit
instant.

SURGEONS' ELL.
'Mr. ROSE moved the third reading of the Sur•
goons' Bill.
Mr, 440 RNER considered it quite reasonable that
the public should be protected against persons exer-
cising the profession of surgeons, who were not com-
petent to the important functions which their vanity
might lead them to take upon themselves; but it was
unjust to declare that none should be admitted to
practice who were not Members of the College.
Mr. BROUGHAM understood that this Bill pro-
posed to enact that no person should be allowed to
practice in England who was not a Member of the
College of Surgeons in London. and none in Scot-
land who did not belong to Scotch Colleges. Now,
be could easily conceive, that, great inconvenience
might arise from such a measure. independent of its
injustice. and the obvious tendency which it had to
retard the improvement of the art generally—(H:ar,
heer)..--He would suppose himself travelling with a
friend on the borders between England and Scotland,
and that his friend should fall ill, or meet with some
mime accident in a place where he could procure no
better medical assistance than a cow-leech, or a bone
setter ; he should not like to get into the hands of
such gentlemen, and this Act would forbid him to
send for Mr. Bell. who resided on the other side the
border, and might be the my man he should prefer
' consulting in such a case; by such a law we should
exclude the best medical school in the world, for
such he believed Edinburgh was allowed to be, from
sending its skilful disciples amongst the southern
parts of the island. We should also be prevented
from sending for the best advice iu special cases, as
it was called, in his prufession. There was another
point of objection to the measure, it would check the
growth of intrinsic professional merit, and would
sacrifice the highest talents, just merging from ob.
scurity, to an impolitic measure of mistaken precau-
tion. Had such a law existed some years ago, as
that now proposed, the country would never have had.
the advantage of the highest medical ability that this
age could boast in Dr. B.tillie and Sir Everard Home
—( Wear, hear).—The talents of the two Dr. Hunter's
would have been lost to is s; and Mr. Abernethy
would never have assisted to form the students that
should follow him in reputation with the next gene-
ration. There were also two Gentlemen who had
been eminently useful to the country, in restoring the
sick and wounded of the field of Waterloo, Doctors
Thompson and Somerville, who might never have
felt a pulse, breathed a vein, or performed the com-
monest operation in their profession, if this, law bad
been in being before them—(lieu, hear).
Mr. ROSE explained.
After a few observations from Sir M. W. RIDLIY,
the Gallery was cleared for a. division ; but the Bill
was afterwards withdrawn.

PARLIAMENTARY REFORM,.
Sir P. BURDETT presented a Petition from Hud-
dersfield, requesting a reform in the representation,
and the shortening of the duration of Parliament to
one year ; he stated, that there were a great number
of petitions on this subject ready to lay before the
House, but it had been thought advisable to present
this now, to draw the attention of the Legislature to
the subject. It was signed by ten thouiand persons.
Lord LASCELLES said, that the subject of Par-
liamentary Reform couldnot be very popular in York-
shire he thought, for he had beard nothing of this
petition till the Honourable Baronet inttoduced it, and
he thought it would have been decent in the petitio-
ners to have acquainted him with it, as he was one
of the Representatives of the county.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, the Noble Lord must be
wrong as to the feeling on this subject in that part's
of the country, fir the petition was signed by the in.
habitants of twenty-four parishes, and the number of
names was 10,000.
Lord LASCELLES repeated his obseriations, and
the petition was laid on the table.
Lord COMPTON moved for an account of the
Duties on Leather; with the drawbacks& &v. for the
last seven years.
Mr. j. P. GRANT moved for a tariety of returns
respecting spirits made in Scotland. •
Colonel PALMER, moved for a return of the
number of smell arms in the Tower, belonging to
the Ordnance depsesment, with the sweet of

if the seta branch oritilkartenee, and an.
t of the contracts for Bintilngham arms in 1814.
COLOSSAL .17,11PA*TM ANT.
Mr. CREEVEY wished to ask the Honourable
Secretary for the Colonial Department, respecting'
the returns ordered of the number of officers in that
department ) he understood there were eighty some
time ago, and that now the number was reduced to
thirty.
Mr. GOULBURN hoped the papers would all be
on the table at the 'meeting of Parliament after the
recess, and it was intended to take some steps with
regard to persons holding offices in• the colonies, re-
siding on the spot.
Mr. CREEVEY then gave notice that he should
submit a motion to do away all offices in the West-
Indies, where the holders of them lived in this coun-
try, soon after the MCA% but be could not name the
preciseday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved for a variety of revenue returns, which Mr.
Arbuthnot afterwards brought up. :together with the
Correspondence between the Officers of Works and
the Treasury.
Mr. CREEVEY wished mask the Chencelior of
the Exchequer, whether any loan had been made to
the town of Liverpool since the last inquiry? On bat
day, he saw by the Papers, that the Right Honour.
able Gentleman was made a freeman ot Liverpool,l
and the ground of this proceeding was stated to be
the many. services he bad rendered that town ; he,
therefore, presumed, that since the transaction before
explained, there might have been another of the same
nature.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that there bad bees none since then.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL stated, in answer
to an inquiry from the Honourable W. H. Lyttliton,
that be should submit a motion to the House on the
subject of Lord Cochrane's charges against Lord
Ellenborongh, on Wednesday, the Bth of May, Wile
Noble Lord did not render it unnecessary by soma
previous proceeding. He had not the slightest inten-
tion of anticipating the Noble Lord ; his only object
was to provide for the settlement of this business by
a definite time, by a motion of his own, if the
Noble Lord did not bring the subject forward earlier.
(limr. laWr.)
. Mr. tiROUGHAM.—" Seeing the Learned Gen-
tleman, who is a Law Officer of the Crown, in
ltii place, I think it right to state the object which
have in view in the motion of which I have given
notice, on the subject of the Liberty of the -Press. The
motion which I shall have the honour.of submitting
to the House, is intended to incluife three thing%
which will afford a better security to the liberty of
the subject; first, to allow evidence to be given to
the facts in cases of libel, but not to admit the proof
of them to be a justification ; tecond, ,to restrain ex-
officio informations ; and, thirdly,, to, provide some
alteration in the system of special ..
Mr. WESTERN moved for, an actoutie of the
quantity of ale and beer brewed in the last fear, and
the quantity of leacher • and tallow imparted. tor the
last ten years.
The Bank Restriction Art was postponed to Mon-
day fortnight, on the request of Mr. HonNea ; and
the Assessed Tax Act to Wednesday se'nnight.
General THOItNTON.put Off his motion respect-
ing counterfeit Bank notes to Wednesday se'nnight.
An account of the duties on customs and excise,
from 1792 to the present time, sheaving the additions
and progressive rite thereof, was ordered on the mo•
don of Mr. BROUGHAM. 4
Mr. EENNETT moved for a variety of papers r
lative to the colony of New South Wales ; among
otters for an account of the number of the convicts
that had died on their passage, from 1810 down to
the latest period ; for an account of the present stock
and population of the colony, distinguishing the free,
inhabitants from the convicts • and for an account of
the general expence of the establishment.--Ordered.
Mr. LUSH INGTON presented the annual ac-',
count of the amount of the public debt. and of the
money received by the Receiver General of the Land
Tax, and remaining unappropriated in the Bank of
England.
The Agricultural Horse Duty Regulation Bill was
read a second time, and committed fur this day fin t-
night ; and the Innkeepers' Allowance Bill was read
a third time and passed.
The other ortiets of the day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned to Wednesday senuight.

The motion for the repeal of the Taxes upon Lea.
Cher is expected to come on the 29th of this month.
The real question then to be decided by Parliament,
is no less than—Whether a manufacture, which an
eminent political writer states to give employment to
an en►urable capital larger than any of our other ma-
nufactures, and is carried on almost entirely by moans
of manual labour, shall be lost to the country, so
far as the manufacture depends upon the foreign ma-
terial and foreign consumption—or whether it shall
be allowed the same encouragement as most of our
other great staple manufactures, and be permitted to
use the raw materials in the most economical and most
advantageous manner, and thereby greatly extend it-
self as respects both oar home and foreign consumption?
—The objection to the repeal is the foss of about
£4,00,000 per year to the revenue, which from the
relief that would be given to so great a portion of the
people as those concerned in the Leather Manufac-
tures in particular, as well as to the Agricultural
Interests and the Public :it large, there can be no
doubt would be immediately maJup by their greater
ability to contribute to all the other taxes. When we
consider the distressed state of this. trade, and the be.
neficial consequences that.would attend the repeal of
these taxes, and that the Minister, during the war,
only saved the tax by a majority of four•; we cannot
doubt but if the trade continue to pour in their Peti-
tions, they must succeed in an object which tt appears
is not less for the advantage of the country, than •Ices.
the different branches of the Leather Trade.
SOCIETY FOR THE GRATUITOUS CURB OF RUIFTWIE.
We heartily congratulate the Public on the receut
establishment of this most humane Society, under
the Patronage of his Royal Highness the Duke of
Straurs, and sanctioned also by the suppoft pfneveral
eminent Surgeons. A Special Meeting was held at
the Crown and Anchor Tavern, Strand, on Tuesday
evening, the 9th inst. when several Resolutions were
then read and agreed to. The Thanks also of the
Society were .voted to the Chairman, the Hon. Weau-
INGTON SUIRLr tr his able ooadtwt ay:Wu.

By the account,
to remain at V-
set out for Art
frsuisa for Par

that Princess

public at Perm,
duchies the hap

" Dear Count _
the distresses which .
desire Is to contribute, by . -- my power, to 14.
Time theme In consequence, h Frt'cularly recomtnendlo,
binder kinds of fetes on my arrival. The anew itto,f'Z'
tscluneut width my subjects can give me, and the most art ;
to my beast, will be their distributing among the ind:ctsitthe
sums whiclt they destine to these fetes.
(Signed)"Matte 'suites,
" Schoenbrunn, February 28."
According to a publication made at Para's, the
following is the tille which this Princess has adopts
N Her Majesty the Imperial Princess Archduchess
ol
Austria Mana Louisa, Duchess of Puma, hagestia,
and GUSSIeIIa• "
VIENNA, MARCII
By accounts from Moldavia, of February 13, that
province is entirely free from the plague: there a
only a fevrpersons attacked with it at Gallatz. The
accounts from Wallachia are very satisfactory on this
head.

The five infected persons at Jessenovatz and Run,
in Slavonia, are nearly convalescent; and the two of
the 2d ReAiment of the B4nnas, who remained at
Detbjeza,. will be shortly entirely recovered. The
communication with these three villages will unn be
opened again, when the houses and effects hue beet%
purified, so as to leave no ground for appreherition.
All Dalmatia enjoyed the best health on the %at
February, and there had been no new accident at
Raguse, so that it may be hoped that the contagion,
will soon be at an end in that province.

The communicati.)ns between the suburb of Lulu'
and the town of Spolaho„ as well as between Ike
islands of Bram. Lesina, and Lissa, were roesub.
lished on the 21-th of February.

ROME, MARCH 19.
We have here .the following account from Grit
Vecchia, Ist March : _

di While a convoy of vessels, taking advantage
the favourable weather to sail from the Tiber to Ci
vita-Vecchia, and another was going to sail fr
here to the Tiber, there appeared off Palo and S
Severe a' large Turkish *zebeak, which put out tw
bouts, and eagerly pursued with the nearest yes
These spread all their Sails and escaped; some \
them 'sought protection under the Tower of St.Ss
Vera, ma the coast. The pirates' boats boldly pa.
sued these, notwithstanding the fire from the tom
r• e •
The crews lanfferand fled' into the Tower, where;
great many peasants from- the neighbourhood vai
:also assembled. Besides the arms of the little gars
soncthere were SO muskets in the Tower, which wee
distributed among the fugitives. The Musselmet
approached with uncommon boldness, and had al
'ready taken possession of two of the vessels, when fix
litisk fire from the Tower compelled the trio n
he
which were towing away their booty, to let go, ate
retire with los' to their zebeck, which sailed away tie
.following night. On the 13th two Barbary pirate
appeared off Flumara, and captured, near Purl
d'Auzio,'a Neapolitan paranzella. coming from Cr
vita Vecchia, and afterwards a Sicilian vessel!hde
with wines: hound for Rome, the crew of which,
howeier, escaped to this place in their boats. We
have daily pirates in sight, by which the aavigativa
is almost wholly stopped."
The following tragical stories are recorded in the
German Papers :
EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM /41)13, APRIL 5.

" A tragical scene has just thrown our town
terror and consternation. The Jay before yesterilar,
about eight in the evening, Mrs. Papillen, the mo-
ther of a family, enjoying a decent competence,cm.
emitted an act of despair or madness, to which tie
annals of the human plod scarcely furnish a parallel.
Being billowed by her three children, a buy of fadr
years of age, and two girls, one eight the other five
years old, she draggcd them to the well; there sett-
ing the two youngest, she threw them in ; the eltis-st
girl struggled a long time in ter meher's arms, tr.
tering aenizitig but fruitless cries. The barbarous
mother violently seizing her, threw her into the well,
into which she at last threw herself also. These four
unhappy victims have been taken suit dead, slid
the assistance of art was lavished on them in vair.
Yesterday evening at- nine o'clock they were buriel
It seems that this woman, whose mind was doubtless
deranged, had meditated this great crime during the
whole of. the 3J; on that day she performed her tie
votional exercises, and distributed abundant alms'
EXTRACT OF A everre FROM MONA, APRIL 7.
ig Our town is still full of tenor, at the dteathl
crime in it. All that is related in the Oracle of
7th is exact; but, to complete the dreadful recital,
the following details must he added :—Mailaise
Papillen had formed the project to destroy all ha
family, besides the three children who were the vie
rims of it : she had two others, her eldest son was at
&boarding school at St. Chislain, and the youngest
at nurse in the country. This mother, whom oLe
does not know by what name to call, had sent ac
order to the nurse to bring her the infant on the day'
destined for the accomplishment of the 'raged!,
which the woman tetused to do. At the same tire
she charged the St. Ghislain carrier to :catty tops
other son affan (a kind of cake) which waepoiese4
with a letter, desiring him to. rat it alone, without
giving any part to his school-fellows. On the wd
thisfon was spoiled, and the carrier fearing he 6014
damage the other goods which be had. withi
all
threw it away. If we add that this wretched woo;
was five mouths advanced ;. !ter pregnancy, we sh'll
have an idea of the destruction which shelled calmly
meditated. While the dreadful scene WAS pow
her husband was at the Coffee-house ; she had hi
the cruel precaution to leave a note on the tabi...
pointing out the well as the grave of *elf 31
children."
ERDAL TIIE CORRESPONDENTEN Or AFRIL.S,
HANOVER, APRIL 2.—We hear that the folio*
extraordinary, almost incredible, tragic event, Leta
happened in a Hanoverian country town s—A
of three hale children threatened one of theta, is
presence of the other, in a joking manner, to cat
its now, for some naughty trick which it. had.O.
habit of. Soon after, she was busy down stairs;
bathing the youngeat child, who teas but his.t.
up Appri on hearing a dreadful cry is the tipirer I

•
0011E1N PAPERS.
• VIENNA, MARCH 24.
:Mate from Italy, their Majectiee
Verona till the 25:h. where they %,01.4 .
Venice, and the Archduchess WI
arms. The following letter,writtesie
to Cottnt Magnwli Cerati, has been mab '
rola, and promises the inhabitants of tit
applest fate tinder her government 1
t Bobscawst—l team with the mow heti, irk
filth Kill °ppm, my subjects My Mott ard.t.
Abuts, by all the means in my power. ,„

T-'' -.

T

w

iho kosuitaaolsrlr stairs the West-6U
rtiotrlls hir he has moiOW she threatened.punith•
:mot opal the otherthild, who had spin Wen guilty
- of the-stme mid. In her angfr,oshe pushes the Child
so that he falls down the statri, finds thi
and swimming in its blood, in the agonies of death,
mks down stairs again..finds the other child lifeless
settee foot of the stairs, totters into the bathng-room,
. filtdshe youngest child suffocated in he bath, apd
hags herself shortly afterwards in the extremity of
despair. •
ITTIII.- •

THE EVENING .TAR._

•

LO N DON. .
FRIDAY, APRIL 12, 1816. •
GOOD FalDAT,—Holiday at
.thil Public o.Blces;

The abuses which prevail respecting the extent of
*Rides of the King's Bench Prison were. alluded to
ba night, in the House of Commons. Some of our
contry Reacjers will be at some loss to understand
the meaning of the term. Its operation is simply
this—A rich rogue, when committed to prison for
debt, by.paying for the privilege, never needs to enter
itt doorsb There is a certain extent round the prison
covered with elegant well furnished buildings, any of
which he may hire for his residence, and there spend
the money due to his Creditors. By dexterous ma-
'nagement he may do more—he may be performing
'the totir of Europe, while his creditors suppose him
• immured in the walls 'of a prison. A petition on this
. subject was referred to the Committee on the Inwl.
vent Debtors Act.
tdr. BROUGHAM gave notice of a Motion on the
Liberty of the Press. The fever of revolutionary
terror having subsided, it is high tile that on this, as
on other subjects, the law and practice should be such
as sound reason can approve. Wanton, malicious
libellers ought to be punished. The 14w ought,
however, to allow the ernth to be given in evidence,
though not pleaded as a justification- It must be ma-
terial to the ends of justice that the truth should be
known by the Jury. With respect to ex-sficio infor.
maims and the regulation' of Special Juries, arise
acquainted with the subject will venture to dm' the
Necessity and facility of new arrangements.
Amitier topic before the Home deserves great
attention. The necessity of raising large sums of
money has more or less deranged the whole mama.
factoring system. In tbe nature of things iewas im-
possible to finesse or prevent an unequal and coals.

• gauntly an isjimious pressure on some branches more
than others. The Leather Trade is one of these I
and it is one of such vast importance to the country,
that effectual and' instant relief should be afforded.
• . The weight of taxation on this article is such as not
only to threaten its complete annihilation, but in its,
' operation to affect almost every. other branch of our
manufactures and also the whole Agricultural system.
We have hardly any manufactory in which Leather
Is sot mere or less used * the mac Misery ler straps,
bands, &c, and the evil which falls on the agricul•
turalist is not merely what affects the price paid for
harness, &c. but the depressing influence of the taxeb
on the price of the raw hide's and skins of every descrip
It should be recollected that the English leather
is the best in the world, and hence the demand for it on
* the Continent—a demand which would be increased
fire fold but for the enhancement of price occasioned
the high taxes; for no payment of drawbacks can
.• 'ever compensate for increased cost, caused by the
...charges for increase of capital required by the trade,
the drawback never exceeding the bare duty on the ar-
• • title. The encouragement given by our higir prices to
nations to prosecute the manufacture, 'should
she weigh much in considering this question ; for it
' is easier to prevent the growth of a rival manufac-
ture than to drive it front the field of competition
When once firmly rooted.

We have received the Paris Papers of Tuesday,
sad subjoin the most interesting part of their con-
tests. The proceedings of the ChaMber of De-
_

puties on Monday are rather high coloured. M.
LIN', the President, conceiving that a Member
had given him the lie, with respect to some for-.
inality relating to the Law of Elections, resigned
his seat for the day, and walked at la a pet.—
lie seems, by the bye, to be rather a decided enemy
to the enlightened views of the maj•irity of theCharn-
bet of Deputies with respect to the law of elections.
The Report of their Committee w.is read in his ab •
:cuter it is a masterly prodection, but we have not
;,„room for the whole of it today. Suffice it to say,
c,; drat it aims at giving France a really free coustitu-
' 'Coo, by crippling the influence of the Crown in the
elections of the Deputies.
It gees toset !side the ElectoralCoilegesfrom which
• On Vippties at present emanate,..and which Electoral
•• Cbileges are specially nominated by the Crown. We
heartily wish the Committee may carry their point :
mince will never again raise her head as a respect.
&Me body politic, if they do not.
COURIER EXTRAORDINARY OP TUESDAY MORSUNO.
Among the interesting documents lately found in
• public Archives, in addition to the .Autograph
Testament of Louis XVI. we may now reckon on the'
Protest, also autograph, solemnly made by his Ma-
jetty, at the time of his departure in 1791 ; a Journal,
'..**ll° in his hand-writing, which comes down to Jane,
14:::"Itik and the manuscript SpeOch of M. Deane in his
:7101d ar.---This last manuscript, this original copy-of
*fence of virtue, traced under the 'dictates of
ilasno and justice, by fidelity itself, exhibits an in-
kiest the more Impress; ve; because we therein remark

the eteeltrillUW ieWiminotiontdep by Ws A
Client, always more occupied with the dangers I
might menace his (binders, than with the perils w
which he was hiinself surrounded. It eaktsot be
without the most tender feelings that we contemplate
this manuscript, in which th& most sublime solicitude
studied to enervate, under inch circumstances, and in
such a situation, all the effects of zeal and devotion,
and all the strength of eloquence !
An accidental fire has consumed about sixty acres
of the Forest of Chantilly.
The business of the Nal,. Trkolorr, which was to
dome' on before the Cour Prevotale, is sent to-the
Court of Assizes.
CHAMBER Ot DEPUTIES.
PRISIDENT, N. LAIN&
The PiteSIDeNT" The Order of the Day calls for
the conclusion of the discussion of the Douanes."
M. de VlLLaut—u I demand leave to speak, in the
name of the Committee of Elections."
The Passmater" The Reporter from the Com-
mittee of Elections, only this instant. demands leave
to make his Report; and yet the Standing Orders re-
quire that I, as President, should have twenty-four
hours notice. Some persons came to me to-day. five
minutes before twelve o'clock, and asked me if it was
true, as the Journals stated, that the Report on Elec-
tions was to he made to-day 1 I said, that I had not
been apprised of it, otherwise I should have put it in
the Orders of the Day. This Report must therefore
be given in to-morrow at noon. I shall inform the
Minister." •
The Marquis of Foams, des Isere—" The Presi-
dent was inforined—..:..
The POMMES-I' (with animation)—" Whew the
President declares, openly, and in a public meeting,
that he was not previously informed, it is astonishing
that a Member should permit himself to say the
contrary."
M. de FOitiniii I have not said tht the Presi--
dent was informed twenty-four hours before."
M. de Vita.at.a...•." The Committee assembled on
Saturday : it charged me to make a Report in our sit-
tings of today. I spoke to the President of it on
Saturday."
The PIIMIIMINT—" Do you mean to sq that you
told me you would make the Report to-day, Sir ?"
Made Vtuis.a-44 It is not my intention, certainly,
to say that AL Gahm has not stated the facts as they
=evened; but I must state such as came wahin isfy
own knowledge. lam not certain that I said to the
President that I should be ready at the meetings of
to-day; but I am ceriain that he told me he would
oppose with all his might the Report being made be-
fore the discussion on the Budget was terminated."—
(Mermen mad noire.)
The PAIiSIDENT." M. de Villele mis:akes me, er
my memory must be very unfaithful. coniowlds
what he has said to me with the conversatioas w ,ich
he has had with other persons: 1 said, The report
will be made during the deliberation on the Bedge,
bat the discussion cannot take.place until arterwArds.'
Yesterday I read in one of our journals, that the re
port was to be made to-day : I said, to all those who
spoke to me about it, that the President had received
110 information on the subject : in (Act, it is only this
instant that M. de Vilele iiilntnied me of it.
M. de FOIiBIN.—.I have not failed in my respect to
the President, in announcing the fact which I have
advanced. In short I know, and the President must
admit it himseit, that he was informed of it."
Thg PIitSIDINT.-•• 66 I call you to order."—Several
voices—(Order, order.)
M. de FORBIN to the President—" You have not
the right of yourself alone to call me to order ; this
right belongs to the Assembly only."—(llere *A very
great agitation prevailed in the Hall.)
Ist. de FOIIIIIN-46 I say that the President has not
been officially informed : I demand that the Reporter
shall be heard."
M. de Bouvictza I have the honour to be a
Member of this Committee, and I can assure you
that all this is a mere misunderstanding on both
sides. It. is certaiu that M. de Villele has reported
to the Committee that he had told the President that
he would make his report on Monday, and that the
latter had answered him that he would oppose this
report being-made before' the end of the discussion on
the Budget. To conclude, I see nothing in our rules
which cau prevent the -report from bring made while
we are sitting."
Tae P/ALSIDENT." The power of the Pre:ident
to call an Orator to the question when he wanders
from it, has been contested : Article 21 of the Rules
is imperious in this respect. I shall accuse no one
of artifice, but there is here a jeu d'esprit at least.
The tact is, that it was only after this meeting was
opened that leave was asked to speak. I think that
' the rules and orders not haring been observed with
respect to the Preiident, or rather with respect to the
Chamber, the report ought not to be made to-day.
and we may, without inconvenience, plit it off until
to-morrow."
tHere the Minister of the Interior
room.]
The Question was then put, whether the report be
how heard?
The Pll/011DENT.44 I confess I think the sense of
chi House is doubtful."
On the second scrutiny, a small majority decided;
that the report should be made immediately,
• The PRESIDENT.—" As my health does not permit
me to preside at this meeting, I beg M. de Bouville
to take the Chair."
[Hat the President retired* evidently much agi-
tated, in.• M. de actuville wok his place.]
Several Members then attempted to speak irrein-,

entered the

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!tarty, knit M. de Vu.ttbe Stu* succeeded in readtel
the report on the Law olfaction!.
The Report went to *commend certain Amend-
tnrlts to the Law of Elections, which should prevent
the Electoral Colleges, originally nominated by the
Crown, from having any influence on the election of
Deputies.
The Chamber decided that the debate on this stib.
ject should take place on Wednesday.
The debate on the Budget was dm resumed, and
the farther discussion adjourned till next day.