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den from Russia unnecessary. And
slinllin,Nteresisas no•reason to suppose that the
movement of the Russian Army had any reference to
it, while there was every reason to believe to the Con-
they. The Noble Marquis concluded with moving
ihe.Drder of the Day, and was loudly cheered when
he sat down.
. Lord MILTON said, he felt treat satisfaction in
beating the stater/Vent which had been made by- the
Noble Marquis; yet, at theme time, he must•pro-
• test against the doctrine, that Gentlemen in that
• House. were4to be restrained from freely expressing
their opinions on the measures pursued by- foreign
• 'Powers; and particularly in the-events that hid lately
taken place in different.parts of the Continent. There
nor existed a spirit tsf aggrandisement of the Execu-
aive Power, at the expense of the rights and liberties
of the People !—{Hear, hear). This spirit prevailed
to an alarming extent, and must be viewed with the
greatest jealousy by every friend of freedom.
Mr. WARRE said, that the only reason why the
March of the Russian Army had been stopped was,
that one object of that nefarious Alliance, of which
• the Emperor of Russia was a member, had been
realized by the subjugation of Italy. He could not
look upon the stop put to the march of the Russian
Army in any other light than as a temporary absti-
nence from crime and 'iniquity. He thanked GOD
that there was one corner in Europe, where man yet
enjoyed some portion of freedom.
• The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained. He
did not object to a jealousy of continental Powers, but
against the assumption of faCts which did not exist.
It had been stated in the late debate, not only that
• the Russian Army was on its march, but that it was
'so for the purpose of attacking Spain. The fact was,
that the Insurrectionary Government of Piedmont
•had declared war against Austria. With respect to
"the statements which had been thrown out as to the
desire of the Emperor of Russia to conquer Thrkey,
he could dnly say, that although he was not answer-
able for any individual,. he belieVed that that Illus-
trinus Personage knew his own true glory, as well as
his own true policy, much better.
Mr. DENMAN said, he was sorry the Noble Mar-
quis had alluded to the Honourable Members who
took part in a late debate in their absence. He (Mr.
Denman) thought it was impossible not to suspect the
• conduct of the Allied Scivereigns, even if we did not
know their conduct towards Saxony, Norway, and
Genoa. Ile conceived it was the duty of every one
'to denounce a system which plainly threatened the
liberties of Europe.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, it was
not his fault if the Honourable Members in question
were not in their places; probably they had been
'kept away by the smoke of the Bill of the Honour-
able Member opposite !—(A laugh).
NAVY ESTIMATES.
The question was then put for the House going
into the Committee of Supply.
' Mr. HUME said, that great doubts had been en-
tertained as to the expediency of the works at Sheer-
ness. He wished to know ,if the vote on that subject
could be postponed till the correspondence betwixt
the Navy and the Admiralty Boards should be pro-
duced, or till a Repent should be made by a Com-
mittee of the House? More information was wanted
before the House could come to a vote. On Sheer-
ness alone had been expended £1,147,000, and the
House was told that 1:W5,42i was wanted to com-
plete the works.
Sir G. WA RRENDER said, that the present Esti-
mate was not for the same works that the former
sums had been voted for. About 1.:30,0400 would be
laid out on the repairs of the old works. The sum in
future would be much more limited than in former
years. It was extremely desirable that the great
work, which had been five years in progress, should
be completed.
Mr. WARRE thought there was much reason in
the request of his Honourable Friend. In the Esti-
mate of last year a sum had been voted for the com•
• pletion of the works, and now a large additional sum
was called for.

Mr. HUME moved a Resolution, that though tote
sum of £1,147,000 had been already expended on
the Docks at Sheerness, it appeared that a further
sum of £955,421 was now wanted.; it was therefore
expedient that a Committee should be appointed to
inquire into the expenditure of the Dock-yards. The
House had voted a large sum, and a further sum
of £1,600,000 was wanted to complete what had
been begun. The Committee of Finance had recom-
mended that no sum should be voted till a previous
estimate had been made. In the last eleven years,
£5,247,000 had been laid out on the Dock-yards.—
In ten days the whole inquiry could be gone through.
It was a question of prudence and economy, whether
the millions proposed to be laid out at Sheerness,
bud not better be expended at Chatham ?
Sir G. COCKBURN said, that unless the works
should be completed, all that had been done would
be thrown away. The wall of one of the yards had
fallen down.

Sir J. YORKE should like to know who had been
of opinion that Chatham was a preferable station to
Sheerness ? As an outfitting port, Chatham was not
to be selected. Sheerness was the best adapted for
all naval purposes, and on that account had been
pitched upon by Government. All difficulties as to
sheerness had been wholly overcome.
Sir ISAAC COFFIN thought the Hon. Member
should have verified his statements by ocular inspec-
tion. He (Sir Isaac Coffin) would lend him all the
assistance in his power. ••
Mr. BENNETT said, that the Douse had often
been misled by former Estimates, and therefore the
Motion fur a Committee was proper. The plan of
General Bentham had failed, and it was impossible
to say that the case might not be the same at present.
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that the new works
at Sheerness would be completed this year at £40,000
less than had been calculated. Great alterations had
taken place as to the plans at Sheerness; and a state-
ment had always been made to Parliament.
Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY, from local knowledge,
was of opinion that the works at Sheerness should be
. completed.
Mr. HUME, to prevent delay, had no objection
that a vote should be taken for £50,00Q.
The House divided. For 'the original Motion, 82—
for the Amendment, 27—Majority, 55.
The House then went into a Committee, when

£50,967. lig. 6 was moved for ihe expense of the
Victualling Yards.
Mr. BERNAL objected to the expense of keeping
up a hulk as a receiving ship'at Chatham. That had
not been included in the item of the expenditure.—
There were 45 men on board.
Sir B. MARTIN said, that the vessel alluded to.
acted as a depot, and was in fact a saving.
. Sir J. YORKE said there was an expense of £4,400
more than last.year.
, Sir G. CLERK said, the expense had been incurred
for repairing the roofs.
' Mr. HUME wished to know if there was any di-
minuOon of the expense of the dock at Deptford,which
for some years had been increasing ?
Sir.G. COCKBURN said that some reductions had
taken place..
Mr..WARRE asked if Dover-yard was exclusively
for the Revenue ?
. Sir. G. COCKBURN stated • that a large brewing
establishment was kept up there.
The Resolution was then agreed to. -
£70:962 was voted for the bledical Establishment
of the present year.
£6,926 was then moved for the School of Naval
Architecture.

Sir J. YORKE asked if any reduction had been
made of the number of students ?

Sir G. COCKBURN said no reduction had been
made.—The vote was then agreed to.
On the motion for a grant of £123,990 for the
wages of Officers, ship-builders, and men attached
to the Dock-yards,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the crews or
Officers'of the Royal yachts were upon full pay all
the year round, as it appeared surveyors were. The
Hon. Member made some observations as to the in-
creased expense of late years in consequence of the
fitting up of three yachts.
Sir G. COC K BURN said•that the Mate and Surgeon
of the Royal yacht were on full pay. The men were
taken from, the labourers in the dock-yards ; but in
paint of the expenses of fitting up the yachts, he
hoped the House would not grudge the King's-having
a ship fitted up in the best, though not extravagant
style—(Hear).—As the Sovereign of these islands, he
thought the House ought to feel pride in his going to
sea in the first style—(!icar).
£83,210 was voted for the expense of Victualling
the Navy—and £79,000 for mooring and rigging.
Sir J. YORKE objected to the sum as too large.
Sir B. MARTIN said, that many things were
comprehended in the charge.
The sum of £310,000 was then moved for the ex-
pense of repairs.
Sir I. COFFIN stated (in answer to a remark from
Sir J. Yotke), that the fleet, at the close of the war,
had been in the utmost want of repair, and the ex-
pense consequently had been great. He wished not
to grant extravagant sums of money to Sir Robert
Seppings, or Sir Bobby anybody else!
After a few observations from Sir I. COFFIN, Mr.
HUME, &c. the giant was agreed to.
On the motion that £970,000 should be voted for
the Half-pay of the Navy,
Mr. G. BENNETT stated the case of two women,
wives of Naval Officers, who had not received any
pay for their husbands, who were unfortunately in a
state of mental derangement; and he complained that
this was done without any attention to the services
which they have rendered to their country.
Sir G. COCKBURN said, a place had been pro-
vided for lunatics in the Navy.
Mr. BUXTON said, that he would call the atten-
tion of the House to this subject.
Mr. CROKER said, that the Pensions would be
given to the relations of Officers who became insane
in consequence of wounds in the service; but Go-
vernment found that there were frauds committed,
and therefore they were determined to provide for
insane persons, if their friends were willing to part
with them. •

• Mr. G. BENNETT accused the lion. Member of
attributing fraud to these two women, who had en-
trusted their case to him.

Mr. CROKEIt defended himself, by asserting that
he was the cause why a piovision was made iu Mil-
lar Hospital for Lunatics from the Navy.
Mr. HUNIE thought that the,e poor women should
have their small pittance extended to them by the
humanity of his Majesty's Government.
Sir JOSEPH YO It K E thought they could be pro-
vided for out of the Widows' Fund.

Mr. CROKER said, that was impossible, as that
Fund was expressly assigned for the benefit of
Widows and Orphans.—After some other observa-
tions, the vote was agreed to.
On the motion for granting a sum of £7OOO to
Widows and Orphans,
Mr. HARBORD wished to know whether there
was any mode of appropriating this Fund ; for he un-
derstood it was ill-applied ?
Mr. CROKER said, this was a Fund of only ten
years standing ; and among a great number of dis-
tressing cases the First Lord of the Admiralty was
obliged to select the most distressing, and there was
no part of his duty which that Noble Lord dis-
charged with more fairness or impartiality than this.
On the motion for granting £32,000 for making
good deficiencies to Widows of Officers in the Navy,
Mr. HUME wished to know how the Secretary
was paid for this duty?
Mr. CROKER said it had been paid out of old
stores until 1817, when he thought it right to have
his salary tiled by a vote of the House.—The motion
was then agreed to.
A sum of £105,000 17s. Gd. was voted for half-
pay to Naval Officers.
Mr. HUME wished this vote postponed, because
the returns which he had moved for had never been
laid before the House.

Sir G. WARRENDER had no objection to suffer
this vote to stand over 1 • but it might be seen printed
in the votes of 1818.—The vote was then withdrawn.
Sii' G. WARRENDER then moved for a sum of
£1,094,000 for'the repair of ships and works in the
Dock-yards.
Sir J. YORKE wished to know why the Honour-
able Baronet mixed up buildings of bricks and mor-
tar with the building of wooden ships ?
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that this was the
ordinary mode of proposing the grant ; and he had
been surprised that the Honourable Baronet did not
know that, as be had been six years a Member of the
Admiralty Board.
Sir J. YORKE wished his Honourable Friend (the,

Comptroller of the Navy) to treaback his steps, and
see whether, as labour was reduced one-fifth, he could
not decrease this expense by £lOO,OOO at least. He
was one of the best friends of Government by ad-
vising economy, the contrary of which could alone
make them unpopular.
Sir B. MARTIN said, they had contracted for tim-
ber until the next year; and until that time they
could not reduce the expense.
Mr. HUME contended, that we had built more
ships than were necessary since 1815, which had cost
us above 15 millions in that time. We had 700 and
odd sail of all kinds in commission. He differed from
those who thought we ought not to attend to small
reductions. He should therefore move, that the prl-
sent Vote should be reduced.

Sir G. COCKBURN said, there would soon be a
reduction in this expense. The Hon. Baronet de-
fended the grant as necessary on account of the bad
state of our Navy, the ships having during the war
been got up in a hurry, and without care ; these had
required docking and thorough repair. Several had
been so treated, and he believed would now stand
almost for ever. As to the number of our ships, it
should be recollected we had most extensive Colonies
to defend. America was also getting a powerful
Navy, and it was necessary we should have a fleet
superior to her in the West Indies, or risk our pos-
sessions there, especially now America had got the
Floridas—(Hear, hear).
Sir J. YORKE was not convinced by the argu-
ments of his Hon. Friend.
Sir B. MARTIN defended the original grant.
Mr. WARRE recommended economy ; but he was
not prepared to go to the extent of reducing the Esti-
mate £300,000. He understood the contracts for
timber would expire next lyear. From that moment
he should expect reduction to take place. There were
no Estimates to which he would be so liberal as to
the Navy. Such, he was convinced, was the feeling
of the country. It was our favourite branch of ser-
vice, and he hoped would remain so.
Sir G. COCKBURN alluded to the Royal William,
and to the time that ship lasted ; and said, the repairs
of the Navy had recently been carried on on the same
plan as those of the Royal William, which had proved
so advantageous and lasting.
Sir J. YORKE said, it was true the Royal William
had been kept up as long as had been stated by his
gallant Friend ; but he believed what had been said
of the stockings of a celebrated Baronet (Si: John
Cutler) might he applied to the Royal William. Sir
John's stockings were originally silk, but had by fre-
quent darnings been changed to worsted, and by that
means had been made to last a long time. He be-
lieved the Royal William had undergone the same
process ; by frequent darnings she had been made to
last, but long before she expired not a single plank
of the original vessel had been left !
Mr. T. WILSON supported the original Motion.
Sir G. WARRENDER also contended, that eco-
nomy would be best consulted by granting money
now to build ships gradually, rather than neglecting
to do so, and being thereby obliged hereafter, as for-
merly, to go to the Merchants' yards, and build ships
at an increased expense of nearly 100 per cent.
After a few words from Lord MILTON,
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Mr. HUME said, understanding that, after the.
contract expired, the expense was to be reduced; be
would now withdraw his Amendment.

On the Resolution for granting 6424,648 for
repairs and improvements in the Dock-yards,
Mr. lIUME suggested the propriety of reducing
this sum at least one half, till inquiry was made.—
He would therefore propose to make the grant only
C2l 2,n2 t.

Lord MILTON was rather inclined to oppose any
grant on this head, till inquiry had been made. But
there were some new establishments mentioned in
these estimates, amongst them was that at Trinco-
malee ; and there were also some new works com-
Menced, amongst which he would particularly allude
to that called the Chatham Tunnel ; this work was
likely to require a very large sum to complete it. It
might be necessary ; but still the Naval Government
were bound to give some account of the. necessity
which called tor such an expenditure in times of pub-
lic distress like the present.
Sir G. WAR RENDER entered into a defence of
the public works going on at Chatham and at Sheer-
ness, which he said were necessary, and would ulti-
mately produce a great saving, and prove most bene-
ficial to the public service.
SirJOSEPH YORKE begged to be favoured with
some information relative to the Breakwater at Ply-
mouth. There was, too, an establishment on the
coast of Ireland, near Cork harbour. He did not
pretend to know the navigation of that sea very well,
but had the Hon. and gallant Baronet never heard
that there was a passage between the island on which
that establishment was situated and the main land,
which ought to be stopped up, otherwise, some fine
summer morning alurking and active enemy might
pass the forts of the harbour, and surprise and cap-
ture the whole of that establishment before the asto-
nished Officers of it could pronounce the name of his
Hon. relative, Jack Robinson !—(Continual laughter).
Then he begged to say one word about Madras. If
any Hon. Gentleman chose to cast his eye ever the
map, he would see in a moment that no place could
have been by possibility selected, so little adapted as
that for a naval station. As for convenience of moor-
ing ships, they might as well attempt to moor in an
old iron pot !—(Laughter)—and, as for the safety of
the roads, they were exposed to every gale, and rolled
away their masts as readily as if they were driving
about in the Bay of Biscay.
Sir G. COCKBURN defended the Breakwater, as
being a work productive of the- greatest benefit to
our Navy.
Mr. HUME objected to this grant. The House
had, within the last six years, voted no less than
£3,500,000 for Dock-yards and improvements; and
in the present £1,600,000 would be required to finish
the works in progress. The works at Bermuda alone
would, he was convinced, cost the country upwards
of a million before they were completed.
The Gallery was then cleared for a division :
For the Motion - Id/
For the Amendment 30
Majority —.47

Several other Resolutions were agreed to, the
House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be
received to-morrow.

The other Orders were then disposed of, and tl e
Hoare adjourned at Half-past One 9Vlock,

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

TUESDAY, MAY 8, 1821.
THE FUNDS.
PRIM OP STOCKS TIM DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK
Bank Stick 224% 225 K-3 per Ct. 11edu.72%, Ye
Spec Ct. Cons. 735/8 1,4 —3 1/2 per Ct. 82%
4 per Ct. 90% 7/a %—5 per Ct. Navy 10878 16 si{t
Long Anus. 185/8 9-16 11-16
India Bonds 435. pre.-01d.Annuities 721/2
Exchequer Bills 4s. Gs. Ss. pre.
Cons. for Acct. 73% Ys 3/8.

ISSUE OF SOVEREIGNS.—This morning the Bans
commenced exchanging Sovereigns forßank-notes, but
few applications were made. A little form is neces-
sary to receive them. The parties have to write their
names and place of abode on the upper Note, then
present them to the Cashiers for signature, at the
same time saying they are to be exchanged for Sore.
reigns; afterwards they are to be taken to the Divi-
dend Warrant Office, in the Bank-yard, which place
is appropriated exp:essly for the purpose. Toe effect
bas been great upon the Funds ; Consols have ae.
vanced about one per cent. within the last fu it days.
Money Stock is very scarce, and a farther advance
is expected.

It will give the country pleasure to learn, flom a
declaration made in the House of Commons la,r 114
by the Marquis of LONDONDERRY, that our G. Derr.
ment has received official notice that the Russia:l
Army has halted, and is not to pass the Russian frog.
tiers. So far, therefore, the apprehensions of the Spa-
niards may be at an end ; there will be no inctusion
of northern barbarians to put down the salutary re.
form which they have accomplished in their system
of government.

We must at the same time observe, the the el.
planation with which the announcement of this evert
has been accompanied, presents as weak a piece
(,f State casuistry as ever we witnessed.
The two Emperors, according to the Marquis of
LONDONDERRY'S statement, felt great difficulty in re•
conciling the invabions of Naples and Piedmont with
their rooted dislike to any aggrandizement at the
expense of other Powers. FRANCIS, aware that the
military occupation of Naples, which made I,im the
Sovereign of all Italy, was a decided pied of his ba.
tred of aggrandizement, and anxious not to forfeit Ifs
reputation for moderation, felt a delicacy in invading
himself the territories of. the King of SARDINIA,
and endeavoured to-prevail on his good friend, ALEI•
ANDER, to do this favour to his SARDINIAN MAJCSIT,
But unfortunately ALEXANDER was equally an enemy
Ito all aggrandizement, and equally afraid of losing
his character; however, he at last conquered his
scruples, and consented to send a portion of his my
to Piedmont. This is all very ingenious, and very
amusing, and -comes with an admirable grace from
the statesman who but a few years ago talked of the
dangerous pretensions of- Russia. Why can we nt
forget that the magnanimous ALEXANDER seinl,
and still retains, Finland, which he detached from the
poor but respectable country with which it had bn
connected from time immemorial, subjecting to
Finlanders to the domination of a barbarous people,
instead of their Union with the enlightened and a.
vilized people to whom Protestant Europe is so mob
indebted for their splendid exertions in giving stab,
lity to the Reformation on the Continent? Why Cal
we not forget the seizure of Venice by Austria, and
the yearly deputations of the Grisons to Vienna, to
regain the Valtelline, of which they were lately
prived by that Power P-And yet our sapient &c'e.
tary for Foreign Affairs must " solemnly protest'
against the charge of aggrandizement against die
illustrious personages, as improper, illiberal, unjot!
Facts will speak for themselves, in spite of all he
protests. _ .

The plain truth is; Spain is not invaded only I*
cause it cannot be done with any prospect of sows
The Manifesto published by the Emperor ALUM'
DEE some months ago, in which he reprobated tit
Revolution in Spain, was, if it meant anything at
an express declaration that his IMPERIAL Mangt
had all the disposition in the world to put down*
Spanish Cortes, its Institutes and Ordinances, andP
restore the plenitude of the Royal Authority,
would put it down if he could. The Spaniards
understood it ; all the world so understood it; ado
all the world it must be plain, that it is want i
power alone which now restrains the Russian Autocrat
from attempting to give the law to Spain, belt°
done to other countries less favourably situated.

A Mail rrom Hamburgh has brought ns, this 633.
noon, Papers to the Ist inst.
The extracts which we subjoin confirm what vjf
Readers will find stated in the French Papers rtW&.
ing the disunion, or rather want of concert, bets
the two leaders of the Greek insurrection—Yesi"6l

and THEODORE. It would seem that the moves
directed by THEODORE, resembles the other pallgi
Insurrections which, from time to time, have Pk"
place in the privileged provinces of the 0tt0023
Empire ; and which have no other object bat r
recover or extend local privileges, without any ligf
of throwing off the dependence on the Ottoo
Empire. IrmANTI holds a different language; °3l
sa c?ks ii the style of thine ELHOpCsitiS who think