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feet of emancipation, he had yet toe. ninth respeet for
'him to think that he could ever seriously entertain a
wish that the Catholics of Ireland should be irreli-
gious. Whatever their religion was,' in his opinion,
surely it was better that they should he instructed in
that religion, that they should be religious than irre-
ligious. He really could•hardly conceive any person
so bigotted as to be of a contrary opinion. Bigotry
and ignorance could alone conceive that the diffusion
of education and instruction among the members of
any religions society incompatible with the security
of the British Constitution. Sitch a doctrine was the
offspring of that spirit, which, beginning in plunder,
ended in persecution ; the spirit which prohibited in-
termarriages between the different bodies of the same
community; the spirit which stirred up the father
against the son, and the son against the father, and
which prevented the education of the majority of a
nation under pain of transportation. If this should
be doubted, he could produce living witnesses to de-
clare that they were compelled to seek their education
among the rocks and wood: for fear of transportation.
Although he cold not impute such a spirit of perse-
cution to the Right Hon. Gentleman, yet from the
antipathy which he manifested to this institution, he
could not but think, if he continued long to be Mini-
ster, it were sincerely to be wished that he should
change his sentiments. Would he prefer an educa-
tion to the Catholics in a foreig,h land to an education
at home ? if not, why quarrel With the Insetutirer ?
Whythrow-ont-against illiberal insinuattioas ?
When he recollected 'the pracike of die HotiSsOif
Commons in similar circumstances towards Mere
strangers, he was astonished at this neglect oftlieir
Catholic brethren. He could state, that there was a
great deficiency of Catholic clergymen in Ireland, and
he would appeal to the House in behalf of a people
every way worthy of their attention, in behalf of a
people who were once in a state of civilization, com:
pared' with the rest of Europe, who diffused their
learning and knowledge 'to other nations, and whose
former literary faine is on the record of _several of
the Universities of Europe. Search-the records of
the Uhiversiiiesondunrcli, St. Gall, Padua, and Pit-
riso nay, reads ties the records of your own Univer.
Oxford and tailibtidr, and it will be seen how
great is the obligation which science and literature
owe to the professors and learned men from that cows-
try, to which they n,ov refused a liberal grant for an
establishment, which had for its object the education
of those who are to inculcate the' doctrines of Christi-
apity -among, four millions of -their fellow-creatures,
whom, while they 'were calling brethren, they were
treatieg worse than the negroes of Africa, or the
Hindoos of India, towards whom they had exerted
themselves for the extension of the light of the Gospel.
He would read an exttact from an English historian,
chewing the protection which Iret4nl afforded to this
country in the dark ages. Lord Littleton, in his history
Of Henry 11. (quarto edition, p. 26); says, " About
the middle of the 7th century (says the, venerable
Bede), numbers 'both of the Nobles and of the second
rank of English left their country, and retired intq
Ireland, fur the sake of . studying theology, and
leading their a stricter life. All these (he affirms)
the Irish most willingly received, and maintained at
their own charge.—supplying them with books, and
loins their tgaelleispavitliput fee cr moor d," 4,
Mest honourable testimony (says Littleton) not only.i
• to, the learning, but also to dee hospitality and bounty
of that nation." lonitast--" Among the many hear-
nal who were driven by the terror of this persecution
(that of the Scandinavians) to take refuge abroad,,
none • distinguished themselves more than Albin and'
Clement, whom the
.Emperor 'Charles the Great re-
ceived in his Court, and hOnoured with his favour.—
Of the last of these it is said, by a contemporary Ger-
man writer, that through his, instructions the French
might vie with the Romans and the Athenians.—
Juhn whose surname denoted his country,
(Ere, or Erin, being the proper name of Ireland) be-
came soon afterwards famous for his learning and
good parts,. both in England and in France. Thus
did most of the lights which in those times of thick
darkness cast their beams over Europe, proceed out
of Ireland." Such was the conduct of the ancestors
of those Catholics, when the English were in a state
cf darkness, and the Irish were in a state of compa-
rative civilization—.and fed, cinched, and protected
them. Would they then refuse them this grant of
44000, which could not injure them, or be in any
way kit by the State, but which would greatly achi
to the comforts of this institution. Did they refuse
it on a principle of ceconomy ? On such a principle
they could not refuse it, because,-in looking to their
Other. Grants, they would see nothing but luxury, ex.:
travagance, and profusion, He should therefore.
move for the recommittal of the Resolution.
Mr. HERBERT (of Kerry) secondedrhe motion.
Sir THOMAS TURTON submitted to the Houses
whether the Grant proposed to be made, was adequait
to the charity to be supported. He thought. that ll',
came at this point; the amount of the Grant had tseass-;
fairly contrasted with the other 'items voted on the,
present- occasion, as for instance, with the -surn.'eir
drlo,ooo.voted (pr the expence of proclamations. It
waa.disgraceful that so greet a sum should be voted
for veil a purpose, an..t only £9OOO be granted to
the Clergy, whose duty it was to instruct, or more
properly. to civilize the great mass of the country.
Mr. P. MOORE contended, that in voting a sum
to the Ma ye soth College. the House did nothing more
than give back to the Catholics a small part of the sum'
they had paid for the public good. The ends of all
Governments were for the benefit of the governed ; in:
stead of which, it seemed here to be the object to sepa-
rate the Govertithent from the governed, and to ren-
der their interests completely independent of each
other. This was a thing to be deplored, and itakas a
calamity daily grossing on us.
Mr. HERBERT explained. The House then di-
vided—Ft* the re-committal of the Resolution 12—
For the oiriginal.Resolution SO--M.tjority for the Re-
alatiotik IR.:—Adjoutnedi,
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