Star.
London, England, 1810-02-06 00:00:00

PRIVATF. BILLS.

The SPEAKER called the attention of the House to a private
bill,winzh had hen introduced with numberless interlineations,
blanks unfilled up, a::d other defects, which rendered it totally
unfit for 7email:ing oa the table of the House. He could not no-
tice :Al the bill., which might have passed in a similar situa-
tion ; but h.• hoped this would be a caution to Gentlemen how
they i::rroduc.•d hills in such a condition. The bill related to a
Yorkshire road. It was withdrawn, and leave given to present

Oaths and their Seats.
TtAI, STEWART.
'►RT having come to his
'RAKER addressed him
•t

.:WART Among the gal-
;ty's army, to whom this
Iks for their conduct in the
stands justly and emi-
brilliant conduct of the
two late campaigns in
y contributed to add new

ish valour ; and in no in-
hen the portion of British
id effected the passage of
.pidity was acknowledged
with admiration and dis-
signal occasion have you
the list of heroes, whose

lem in the service of their
in the glorious and hard
where it was your good
of distinguishing yourself
;trious Commander, who,
;uch distinguished laurels
m whom his Majesty has
c'er high honours, with the
applauding country. It
honour on that day, to
acknowledged' by such a
,ken 3 confidential share in

. which afforded you the
I:2;nalizing your valour and
eminently to the atchieve-
is command. lam now,
l by the authority of this
thanks for your valorous
:es on the 27th and 28th of
ae battle of Talavera. •

'WART exprs.ssed his Most
lonour new conferred upon
exceeded the value of his

find himself alone on the
he was not now surround-
lers with whom he had the
in the honours of the 'sic-
:d to the profession of a
service of his country, it

►f his most ardent ambition
that gallant Commander,
►Hoar to serve upon the cc-
Ise deeds had rendered him
country but to his profes.
is proud to embrace every
►ny service to• his country
m so distinguished an ho-
: that House ; and he con-
incerest thanks &I- that now

of Mr SPEAKER, and the

be entered upon the

2H moved for some papers
iready laid before the House,
'Won to the Scheldt and,
,alties which took place in
its landing' at Walcheren
also, an account of the to-
pedition ; also Copies of the
the gQINUMWei chief arid

Mr. WHITBREAD gave notice of a motion to-
-

the Secietary of State rcipecting the 14,11114* 11111relANKES expressed hit dope; that iffh! H,
partment.—Ordered. bad dence in tht ConAitabe, it load not ___
There were also several other Papers Moved far teir them by any such instructiOn as Oat proposed
the Noble Lord, containing the opinion of email, - because such an inquiry must occupy their whole titne
ficers respecting the- Expedition ; but the precise to daring the Session, and postpone every other, object
of which we could not collect. of their pursuit. Each office would make of itself a
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER separate case for inquiry, and the Committee could
said, that it was not the intention of his Majesty)" not be called on to recommend the abolition of any
Ministers to lay before the House, in the first instance, particular case, without accompanying such recom-
the papers now moved for by his Noble Friend. There mendation with the documents upon which it.was
would, however, be no objection to lay on the table founded. In fact, it was quite impossible for the.
such of those Papers as it should be deemed not im- Committee to proceed with any effect in such a pur-
proper to make public. pose, without coming, in the first instance, to some
Lord CASTLEREAGH gave notice, that he declaratory principle as a foundation for their subse-
should move for them on Thursday. quent proceedings—such, for instance, as a resolnh
Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice of a motion tion " that all sinecure places ought to be abolished."
to-morrow, for copies of the instructions sent by the After this, all that would remain for the Committee,
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to the Commissioners of would be to ascertain what offices could be ranged
Customs there, touching the regulation of certain of- under that class. Without -this, 'discussions on the
faces in their department. subject would be endless ; for every Member would
STANDING ORDER. be of a different opinion as to what places ought or
Mr. SHERIDAN rose, and said it was his inten- , ought not to be abolished. , This was the principle
tion, when coming down to the House this day, to laid down by Mr. Burke, in his system of reform ;
bring forward a motion for rescinding one of the ; and the want of such a principle gave rise to all the
Standing Orders of the House (that relative to the difference and delay in the proceedings of the Com-
exclusion of strangers, we understood). However, mittee last Session.
considering that it was an Order upon which the' Mr. LEYCESTER said, it was an opinion very
House had been long in the habit of acting, he generally maintained by the former Committee, that
thought, on mature reflection, that a motion on the if sinecure places were to be abolished, some other
subject should not be introduced without notice, and means must be devised for remunerating public ser-
therefore he would give his notice for to4noirow. ' vices ;as in numerous cases which would occur, the
SCHELDT EXPEDITION. mere salary annexed to a place would be inadequate,
Mr. GILES observed that the papers, No. 1,2, and, therefore, it was suggested, that although some
and 3, laid on the table, respecting the Scheldt Ex- might be abolished, others ought to be retained.
pedition, were without dates; and he wished to have' Mr. D. BROWNE said a few words to the same
the omission corrected. effect.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Mr. FULLER replied, that since he could not
said, the reason of the defect was, that the original carry this instruction to the Committee, who had an
papers in the office had no dates. hundred times better means than he had to ascertain
Mr. CROKER said, that those papers contained the truth, he should bring forward a Bill, in which
secret information, and it might be wrong to commit- he would name all the sinecure places enumerated in
nicate the dates. Some of them had been in the office the Report to which he had alluded, leaving it for the
before his accession, even two or three years. He Hotise to retain or abolish those they thought fit. He
then moved for the Copy of a Letter from Sir would not allow so important an object to be defeated
Richard Strachan to Admiral Gardner, d.iied the 4th by a side-wind ; and, shame upon England, if the Bill
of July, 1809.—Ordered, and immediately presented, should be rejected.
and ordered to lie on the table. The motion was then negatived without, a division.

AMERICA.

morrow, for certain Pa'Pers respecting the Stamp i Mr. WHITBREAD rose, pursuant to notice, and
Duties. after a few preliminary observations, moved "That
Mr. WARD presented an account of the Expendi- an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, re-
tures of the Navy Office for the last year, excepting questing that lie would be graciously pleased to order
wages.— Ordered to lie on the table. to be laid before the House copies of dispatches
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of from Mr. Erskine to Mr. Canning, dated the 3d and
the Committee of Ways and Means, respecting the 4th of December, 1808; and also copies of dis-
Grant of the Malt Duties.—Leave given to bring in , patches from Mr. Erskine to Mr. Smith, dated in
a Bill or Bills pursuant thereto. Au
Sir JOHN NEWPORT' moved to defer till Thurs-
I Mgru.slBoB.
CANNING declared, that as! no inconveni-
day the second reading of his Public Money Embez- ence was now likely to arise to his Majesty's Govern-
-zlement hill.—Ordered. ' ment from the production of those Papers, he had
Mr. BANKES's Bill, for perpetuating the Act for now not the slightest objection to their being laid
preventing the Grant of Places in Reversion, was upon the table. He was not in the House on a for-
i ead a second. time, and committed for to-morrow. I mer night when mention was made of a dispatch re-
The Committees of Supply, and Ways and Means, , lative to which some difference of opinion had origi-
were postponed to Wednesday. Inated. A question had arisen between Great Bri-
SIN ECU CIE PLACES. ; tarn and America with respect to the propriety of
Mr. FULLER rose to bring forward his promised'. ratifying the agreement into which Mr. Erskine had
motion', for an instruction to the Finance Committee i entered with the United States. It was the opinion
to inquire and report respecting Sinecure Places' of the British Cabinet that such agreement ought to
which they should think necessary to be abolished.— I be abolished, and of the American, that it ought to
He began by stating, that he found in the 3d Report Ibe kept. Of the former opinion he decidedly Was ;
of the Committee on public expenditures two para.' and, although he did not wish to impute blame to
graphs, stating, that among other items which called I Mr. Erskine, still he was of opinion that good faith
loudly I
for economy and retrenchment, were a great ! was to be kept up between the nations only by a dis-
number of nominal offices under the Crown, to which I avowal in toto of Mr. Erskine's power to come to any
a very large sum was annually paid in salaries, but . such conclusion as he did. It was totally a different
which partook of the nature of pensions, because no 'question whether Mr. Erskine's original instructions
duty was done in lieu of the pay annexed. Of such places I were wise, and whether he was warranted in infrin-
it was stated, that there were no less in England than gi ng
I them. On a former occasion, when he thought
196, for which an aggregate sum of A'142,65.z.i. was i the production of these papers might do mischief, he
annually paid in salaries, and 38 in Ireland. There I was averse to their publication; but now since there
was besides, a large salary annexed to the office of I could be no longer any danger, he was anxious for
Chief Collector of the Customs in the port of Lon- I that publication. He hoped the House would exa-
don, which was also a sinecure. The second of those ! mine them with care ; and in the course of that exa.
paragraphs stated, that it was impossible for the i mination, if he saw any necessity for other documents
Committee to ascertain minutely the whole particu-1 he should himself move for them. As to the corn-
lars of such cases, without going into the examina- pact with America, all he should say was, that Mr.
tion of a long and complicated series of evidence; but Erskine, in entering into that compact, had totally
the Committee had thrown the whole together, re- I disobeyed his instructions, and of course his Majesty!
commending their abolition. Next followed a long . was by no means bound to observe it.
list, covering several pages, containing the names of I Mr. WHITBREAD hoped, as the Right Hon.
places, which he supposed to be those at which the 1 Gentleman had declared Mr. Erskine guilty of die.'
paragraphs hinted ; but he could wish the Commit-I obeying his instructions, he, on the production of
tee had spoken out plainly and directly, what the i these papers, would be competent to verify his
places were at which they meant to point. A new assertion. For his part, he held a very different
Committee was appointed by the House a few nights! opinion, and pledged himself to sliew that the sub-
since ; and the motion he intended now to propose ! stance of the instructions was strictly observed ; and
was, that' it be an instruction to ihem to inquire forth- ; then the question would be reversed, and the Right
with respecting all such Sinecure Places, and report I Honourable Gentleman would have to shew why he
candidly to the House those which they should think I ran counter to the instructions which he had himself
ought to be abolished. He sincerely hoped they would ' dictated. .He did not mean to speak from authority
do so, and thus lay the ground of some specific mea- ; on the subject ; but he had heard, that if the dispatch
sure for terminating such a misuse of the public I marked No. I. had been produced, it would have set
money. He had no wish himself to be forward in ! matters in a totally' different point.Of view. He was
introducing bills—he had no vain desire for seeking I happy, however, that the afair Was about to- be can-
popularity in such cases. If the Hon. Gentleman didly examined ; and had little doubt it would appear
opposite to him (Mr. Bankes), who is the Chairman that Ms. Erskine had wiseltobserved his instructions.
of that Committee, would undertake to follow up the 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Inquiry, and to bring forward a Bill for that purpose, ; thought it his dut7 fo declake, that the instruotions
'
he would chearfully resin to him all the credit of ' were observed neither in substance nor in spirit.
the measure, and wash his own hands from all con- The motion was then put and carried.
Cern in it, provided the Hon. Member would pledge . _ -
THE INQUIRY. . • •
himself to that effect. Mr. Fuller concluded by mo- Lord PORCHESTER moved—
ving his proposed instruction to the Committee. •
"-That Sir Lucas Pepys and General Sir T. Trifige,,sliould be'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ; gummOned to attend the proceedings of the Corninittee on that
: night, for the purpose of being etathit.ed."—Agreed to.
hoped the House would not adopt the motion of the
Honourable Gentleman. The House had heretofoie i Lord PORCIIESTER then moved—
be ,r referred
for the
t a
moved—
appointed a Committee of Inquiry, who had. done ! g
appointmentn oainaun
dSeseleittionC7f cetrttainee, tsorwcrheteminfsoturad-
their duty by proceeding on the investigation referred tion and confidential comyniinitation laid before his Majesty's
to them, and reporting the result to the Houae, leav- I Ministers, with respect to the f xieditton to the Scheldt, and of
ing it for the House itself to adopt any measures a nature improper to be made public."
thereon that might appear eligible to its wisdom; but ! It was his intention that this Committee should be
without giving any opinion of their own as to what' composed of nine Members ; the number might be
'places ought or ought not to be abolished. He trusted i increased or diminished, as might be judged expedi.
that the House would not now send back the subject ! eat. He had inserted in his original list the name of
to the present Committee, or delegate any:. power of ! Sir R. Bickerton ; but it having occurred to him on
giving any opinicn on it ; but that the House would !reflection that he was a Member of the Administra-
act by its own discretion. The Hon. Member oppo- ! tion which• had originated the subject of inquiry, he
site to him (Mr. Bankes) had signified his purpose of Withdrew it, for the purpose of substituting that of
proposing some .resolutions esolutions on the subject. He him- Mr. Secretary Ryder. He then named
self had others to propose ; but he_ was decidedly Mr. Secretary Ryder Mr. F. Robinson
Mr. Wilberforce - Mr. Bathurst
against delegating any such duty to a Committee as Mr. Whitbread Gen
Ferguson
that now proposed. The former Committee had Sir A. Pigott Lord Porchester
done its-duty. Its report was laid before the House, Admiral Markham
and it was for the House to adopt any proiedure'there- Lord GRANVILLE LI.VESON GOWER rose
upon it should deem most fitting. to propose, as a Noble Friend of his (Lord Castle.

_4.~I]LC

ocuLnnhecavtede leatehtothate.,elibiethett
ruenadgerh
inquiry,was so intimatelytha the
Committoe.
necLeossrd ityPoOf RthCisH. ES
He
EhandcOinuldeect bdy
iornmseelafnosbsvettb.teti
any such necessityoby nominating the Noble Lord,,
own Secretary (Mr. F. Robinson) as a Member of
the-Committee.
The SPI.A.KER said, the Committee mightcerh;
taitily. take what steps they thought proper ; but
considered the proposition in its present shape - as per.
fectly novel.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
could not see .what occasion those who were deeply
interested in the event of the enquiry had to interfere
with any future proCeedings of the Committee. AR
they had to do-was to see, in the commencement, that
this Comniittee was 345 constituted as to do perfect
and unbiassed justice between man and mar..—(Fleur,
hear.)—Of all propositions,' then, which he had ever
heard started, that of admitting the Noble Lord to at
tend the Committee was, in his opinion, least deserr.
ing of consideration, With-respect to the number c=
which the Committee was proposed to be comtitti,e4
he could find no objection ; but be had, indeed,
much objection to make to the Members wllO 114;
been put in nomination to compose it. In i!:s
he observed five out of the time were Gentlenier
had been in the constant habit of voting ag..iiist t':e
measures of Governinent on every occasion. Ott
Gentleman who had been nominated was unable .0
attend on any-Committee. To the three next,
Robinson, Mr. Bathurst, and Mr. Wilberforce, lie
could have, no objection : they were neither in 11:e ha-
bit of-directly voting with or oppoSing Government;
but he would ask, for that very reason, were their
proper to be confronted with the other five, wl-.0 we:e
in statady opposition ? Was that a fair mede of p:;,.
ceeding ? Were the Members of the Committer pr,.
perly matched ? (A laugh). Was it right that he,
for instance, one of the persons accused, shoo Id 20:
have a representative in the Committee, or rather a
Committee so mixed and mingled in itself, with such
balanced weight and opinions as to form a represcr,
tative body of the House ?. To the name of Lo!i
Porchester he had no objection ; not to that of Mr.
Bathurst. Mr. Robinson, he thought, as the f: lend GI
the Noble Lord, ought also to remain on it ; and, as
he thought, his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Canning)
should have an equal advantage, he should prcpse the
addition of the name of Mr. S. Bourne. Ile should also
propose the name of Mr. Yorke—(A laugh).---It
neral Ferguson, as a General Officer, was rcsuis;;4
he should add 'also, to make all fair, General Cm.
furd. As to Admiral Markham, he was content to
retain him, provided he was allowed to nominate
Captain Beresford. If a lawyer also was.deen4ne.
cessary, he had no objection of course to- Sif-A:E.
gott ; but in case he was retained, he should pairtims
off with Mr. Leycester, another of the same proles.
sion. This, in his opinion, would be much the nrst
fair way of nominating the Committee, by which hofa
the accused and prosecutor would have equal tiAice.
Mr. TIERNEY allowed, of course, that to any
Member of the Committee who was deemed obed;r.
able, an objection might he taken ; but he believed it
was indeed perfectly novel to see one of the accuxd,
over whom an impeachment hung, venturing to step
forward and make choice of those whom he thought
fit to select to inquire into his conduct. (Rae, kyr.)
It was a much more extraordinary proceediq than
any of those at which the Right Hon. Gentleman
often affected to be so much astounded. He had never
known an occasion before, on which the nominatorii
the Committee had not the unlimited appointment
of his own Committee, and on which he might nor,
if he chose, nominate his own friends (A lavgi.)Gen-
tlemen might laugh ; but he would ask those oppe-
, site, when was -there-ever a Committee appointed by
' Government, on which Ministers did not select their
own adherents ?—(Hear, hear !)—At least, cn which
they did not take good care to secure the majority ?
On the present Committee, all were not chosen of the
'same way of thinking. In that case, indeed, these
might be some shew of objection ; but here there was
barely'suffscient to turn the scale. It was remarkable
that there was one Gentleman (Mr. Whithread,) on
the Committee, whom the Right Hon. Secretary had
passed over even in silence. Why was he passed
so over ? Was it because he had shewn himself so
well qualified to conduct an impeachment, and to
discover delinquency ? Was it because the Thanks of
that House had been given him on a late trying occa•
sion ? (Hear, hear ! )He :lad no objection in the world
'that justice should be done to all sides, and he thought
the Noble -Lord had full justice done him M the no-
mination of his Friend and Secretary, Mr. Robinson.
' The Right Hon. Gentleman had objected to- one
Gentleman as unable to attend (Sir R. Bickerton);
but he seemed to forget that he was withdrawn, and
Mr. Secretary Ryder, to whom. Ministers could ter•
tainly have no objection, substituted in his place.--
Hear, hear.) In one choice, indeed, the Right HiT.
Gentleman had seemed judicious ; and if he saw any
necessity for a charge in the Members, he of coarse
could have no ol)jec Lion to him ; he meant Mr.Yot.e.
No man could deny that Mr. Yorke was ho every re-
spect qualified to constitute a Member of a Sant
Committee. (A /cult laugh.) Indeed he should of such
2. Committee-be elected Chairman. ( Hear, hear. j--;
He was not disposed to object to Mr. S. Bourns of
number'could admit him ; but why should lth•
fteycester be put in nomination ? He .supposed
Right Hon. Gentleman considered himself bound i•
have him on some Committee soon, in consideration
of 'his having been ousted from the last for which
had proposed him. (A laugii.) If the list, as ainea•
ed, was adopted, he feared the public would bevel
little satisfied with it. The public would m.r,1011
enough be very suspicious of every Procce-
sling of 3
Corn mittee,from whose discussions they were exc.No7:
( Hear, hear.) If then subsrantial and evident P. 7
was aimed at, the original Committee would bt !;e!..!
ed ; but if otherwise, the choice of the Rigli:4 17.
Gentleman, coming, in the way it did, from the sit
cused, would be adopted. As to Mr. Boiirne,
was in contemplation .to add another Meini,er t~ ire
Committee, he would slot ebjitct tuhiS being t,clecte..
Mr. STEPHEN observed,'-ihat he could 110:
smiling when he heakl the-Right Hon G.2n:-.1.9.
asserting, that the vrosecittOrought. to have the n.geiv,
of nominating the Jury. Thii he thought extre,n'l3,
singular, .and event--begging the Right H 'n• u`sj
tleman's • pardoni—preposternus. - It had been 52 j
that his Right Honourable Friend was in d;illger,
cr
impeachment. Now he put it to the House, A%Ile:P

bill,witich had been introduced with mind
blanks unfilled up, a::d other defects, wb
unfit for remaining on the table of the Hon
rice all the bills, which sniflit have pa
tion ; but he hoped this would be a mai(
they imroduced bills in such a condition.
Yorkshire road. It was withdrawn, and :
a more correct one in its stty.O.
Several new Members took the Oaths ar
THANKS TO GENTtAI, Si
Brig-adiit-Geniral STEIVART ha
place in the House, the SPEAK]
nearly to the following effect— .
*6 Brigadier-General STEWART-
"ant Officers of his Majesty's art
House has declared its thasks.for t
public service, your name stand:
vently conspicuous. The balm.
British armies during the two l
epaiti have most eminently Conti
lustre to the glory of British vale
stance more signally than when the
troops under your command effec
the Douro, when their intrepidity
even by the enemy, at mice with a
may., Not only upon that signal
enrolled your name upon the lis
deeds have immortalized them in
country, but afterwards in the
fought battle of Talavera, where
fortune to have the honour of dist
under that great and illustrious
upon that occasion, won such di,
for-his country ; and upon whoT
since been pleased to confer high
general approbation of his applai
was no small part of your honest
have your gallant services acicrieu
Commander, and to have taken a c
his Councilstethe result of which
glotious oppdrtunity of signalizing
skill, and contributing so etninen
meats of the army under his comr
therefore, in the name, and by th
lionise, to return you their thanks
conduct and brilliant services on tl
July last, in the memorable battle
brigadier-General STEWART
erattful sense of the high honour I
him ; which, he said, far exceed(
services. He regretted to find hit
present occasion ; and that he was
ed by those gallant Officers witl
good fortune to participate in the
tory in question. Attached, to t
soldier, and zealous for the servic
should ever be the object of his in
to follow the example of that gz
tinder whom he had the boric= t
.casion alluded to, and whose deed
not only an honour to his countr
sion. He should.be always prou
opportunity of rendering any seri
which could obtain for him so
nom- as the.approbation of that
eluded by repeating his sincerest
conferred.
Ordered that the speech of Mr
answer- of General STEwAltr, L
• intituals.
Lord CASTLEREAGH mo
fn addition to those already laid
relative to the late Expedition to
first; a return of the casualties
the army from the time of its lar
ro irs return it, Englarid ; also, a
tAI ex pences of the Expedition ;
• ~;,;-respondence between the Cwa

' heard, that it atniet helittiiltion that.
'tight Friend"ought. to accept of a Com.
his
iniftee selected by those who were habitually oppozed
he Ministers, and who; as they themselves cen-
t° t
wanted to get rid of the present Government.
rie,csc,j4;nlr, according' to the view of the Right Hon.
-6,tdeman opposite, which was, to turn out the Go-
vernment, th boa way would be to constitute&
ciontricee with e balance adverse to the Admini.
stration. Stephen then remarked, that the Gen.,'
ilsinen who were now objected to, he would' !moll-
Citly tia•zt in a matter where. party bias had no influ-
ence. But he protested against the Noble Lord's
mode of selecting this Committee, where party ani-
mosity must prevail to a . considerable extent—by
which a Lr::le would, as if by magic, be swellei to a
titer ^f great importance, like the operations of the '
Wizard LI Scot's Poems—
A nut•xliell shone a stately barge,
" c:atage seemed a palace large," &c.
,c„ man enuid tya more honourable than his Learned
Sir Arthur Pigott, and no one could with
safety be trusted in a matter where party bias
•of the question. But the Gentlemen oppo.
;lly wished to turn the present Administra-
, but to get themselves in ; and therefore this
:ase where the prosecutor, who claimed the
appointing the Jury, would share in the ad-
, of conviction. The law allowed an accused
,o challenge peremptorily, and without reason
a certain number of his jurors. But here
:y who would gain by the conviction wished
:nt the jurors. He could not think this right.
me must be sensible that he could have no ob-
:o his Honourable Relation (Mr. Wilberforce)
he same-time he admitted the validity of the
n, that he was not the person to be opposed
who were in habits Of regular opposition to
;ent Administration. His Honourable Re,
:as of no party—and, in order. to have an
it was necessary to have persons attached to
iisterial, as well as Members who were attach-
ie Opposition.
WINDHAM observed, that the Learned
Tnan who had just aat down had argued ably,
ited justly, only this,-that neither the one nor
.r went at all to the purpose. He proceeded.'i
broad fundamental misconception, taking for
I, at the very outset, that the proposed Com-1
:as to be selected after the manner of altiry. I
iswer to that was, that in its natuie and in its
it did by no means resemble it ; but even if it ,
rely the mode of selecting Juries was nit by ,
.ing c.rpposite partialities. In place of a Juty,
'Mr. Windham), contended, that the proposed
ittee was a part of the prosecution, having an.l
in the method of proceeding, and standing in
of selecting such individuals as were supposed '
influenced from any party bias. He would
,r, that impartiality was not.a necessary ingre-
its constitution. It was too learly allied to
ence ; and the House well knew, that indif-
men were bat'poorly. qualified to pursue, mill
diEg. rice, irsenTance, and zeal necessary, a
of condiiet solable to numerous dangers and
iments ; indeed, when these were considered,
tiality almost amounted to a disqualification.
:hat did the Chancellor of the Exchequer ittra
I Nothing less than that the accused should
their agents employed in conducting the prase.,
1. With as much right would an adverse party
Iv have to say to his opponent—the Attorney en-
d to conduct the prosecution is hostile to me,
me be allowed to get another to join him, by way
In assessor in this process against myself.—
al came the neutral Members, to whom he
Windham) would never allow any preference
irm a correct and upright opinion, before himself,
ever had, and ever, he trusted, would continue a
'man. For what preference should they claim
upon whatever side the fit of the moment led
to vote, were, for that time, and upon that side,
long party men as any other in that House ?
lowing the whole extent of the Right Honour-
Gentleman's objections to the list proposed by
foble Friend, it was next to be ascertained how
tese objections could affect the demands of pub-
aice. The utmost efforts of 'their party preju-
could not lead them further than to garble and
ilate to the disadvantage of the Ministers' those
documents which the latter would lay before
Still Ministers, even in thii most aggravated
hid the power tobalance the account with them
ly from having the papers in their possession.—
ier this view, the Learned Gentleman aho List
must himself perceive that he laboured under
misconception and confusion of one tribunal with

BURTON, although of opinion that the pro-
Committee could not be considered of the 113.-
of a Jury, still considered it to resemble another
occasionally resorted to both by the Courts of
and Equity—he meant the appointment of
ttnissioners selected for the purpose of examining
hence, and who were generally Chosen by the ad-
Partiec reciprocally.
ienet.tl G ito SV ENO R rose, but having miston-
kq the question before the House, he was correct-
the SPE Eft. •
it. I-10 11HO USE thought the appointment of the'
'committee should be postponed, until the opportuni-
„r
4scertaining its necessity had occurred. He
reu from the two Members at the opposite side,
' so differed With. each other' upon the particular
stitution of that tommittee. It could nit be that
,fury, as it. had no decision to give. With it
Was no power of adjimilication, neither could he
Sider it as forming any constituent part of-the pro-
ition. He thought it' much more resembled a
mission, and should be selected without any re-
nee to a balance. of interests, by which one law-
lc'ts opposed to another, one General to anotherr,
Sic forth. When he came to consider upon the
'Peetive names of the Gentlemen proposed, he
41d form his decision, not upon their party attach,
141nts, but upon•the extent of their individual abili-
• to perform the duty to which they were called.
Lord PORCHESTER remarked upon the singu-
'atzernpt of the Right Nonotirable the Chancellor
the Exchequer to introduce his affected impartia-
:Y in the formation of the present Committee. His
?'Plaint arcain,t the original list was, that there I
m that five names of 'Gentlemen habitually \
to his Administraticre, and in way of remedy
evil, ant with a view of getting a truly in 4..
Ci•mmittee, be has proposed in their places

Ave ethers, who unircitei fiaire yowl with tile Co&
vernment. Not only that, but-every single individual
Of whom have in that House voted-against inquiry:
into this very expedition to Waltheren. (Uri asy
Hear, Near.) Can the House and Country baßeirs,
that the resolution for that inquiry will ever be carried
into effect in the way calculated to provide for the
public interests, when it will see that the next step
after the vote for inquiry, was to acquiesce in such
an expedient ? But the Learned Gentleman has said
that the prosecutors in this case looked also forward
to share the penalty inflicted upon the accused Mi-
nistry. Did such an insinuation apply to him who
had never been in office, and had yet to learn whether
he was even now on the road to preferment ? Could
it apply to Mr. Whitbread, and to the diffetesit•
other Members of the original List, who had neiNlir
been in office ? And, above all, could that Learned.
Gentleman apply such language to Mr. Wilberforce I
Mr. YORKE declared, that no man was entitled
to say that he had voted against Inquiry... It was
true, that he had on the first night voted against the
Amendment, and for the Address. That on another
occasion he had opposed the motion of the Noble.
Lord as premature ; but these decisions were not
against inquiry. He was anxious for the production
of papers ; until they were produced, he did not wish
to give any opinion whether inquiry was or was not
necessary. The information was now before the House,
and, in point of fact, he wished it to be understood,
that he was now friendly to Inquiry. (Hear, hear!
from the ONtesition.)
Mr. M. MONTAGUE also vindicated himself
from the charge of having voted against Inquiry ; it
was not fair thus to try to influence their constituents
against them. It was not intended that the Commit-
tee should ransack for accusations. (Loud coughing.)
He did not mean to trespass any longer on the pa-
tience of the House.
Mr. D. BROWN never held a place, and did not
vote against Inquiry. He had voted against entering
into a precipitate Inquiry—lnquiry without having
the documents to judge by ; and he had no doubt that
many Members on that night voted against the previ-
ous question who did so from a motive of apprehen-
sion, lest if they did the contrary., they should have
been set down as enemies to inquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
proposed, that Mr. Wilberforce's name be inserted in
the list of the Committee, in the toom of Lord Pot..
chester's. The nature of that Committee had been
mistaken. The Members of it were not to adjudge
any question ; it was their exclusive duty to receive
such secret information as his Majesty's Ministers
should think necessary, in order to explain the policy
which led to the Expedition. in question, and report
it to the House. This was the only duty which they
had to discharge.
Mr. BANKES said it was an unusual thing for
any Member to propose a Committee to that House
without naming himself as the Chairman.
The SPEAKER observed that it was quite a mat-
ter of option with any Member to word his motion as
he thought proper, and that he (the Speaker) would
put the motion as it was given to him.
Lord PORCHESTER withdrew his original mo:
don.
The SPEAKER then pot the question on the
Committee, which was carried without a division.
Lord PORCHESTER nominated for the Com-
mine—

.
Hlms&—Agreed to.
Mr. Bathurst.—Agreed to.
D.lr. F. Robinson.--Agreed to.
Admiral Markham.—Agreed to.
General Ferguson.—Agreed to.
Mr. Wilberforce-
On the proposal of this last name—
The CHANCELLOR of. the EXCHEQUERI
proposed that of Mr. Sturges Bourne as an Amend-
ment.
Lord PORCHESTER declared it his intention,
in case Mr. Wilberforce was suffered to remain on
the Committee, to nominate Mr. Sturges Bourne next;
but Mr. PERCEVAL persisting in his intention to divide
the House, strangers wereprdered to withdraw.
The only division that took place was on the names
of Sir John Sebright and Mr. Yorke.
For Mr. Yorke - - 196
Sir John Sebright l2B
All the rest were agreed to without any division, and
the names of the•whole are as follow :
Lord Porchester General Ferguson Captain Beresford
I
Mr. F. Robinson Mr. Wilberforce Mr. Davies Giddy
Admiral Markham I Mr. Sturges Bourne GeneralCraufurd
Mr. Bathurst Mr. Yorke .
On our being re-admitted, we found the CHANcEL-
Lea of the EXCHEQUER speaking to a point of order.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that an
humble Address be presented to his Majesty, request-
ing copies of all the instructions given to Lord Cha-
tham and Sir Richa• d Strachan relative to the Ex-
pedition to the Scheldt, which was carried in the
affirmative.
. Lord PORCHESTER deemed these instructions
too sdanty. He therefore moved, that not only all
' the instructions, but also all the papers relating to
.any correspondence between his Majesty's Ministers ,
and the Officers employed in the Expedition to the
Scheldt, be laid on the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did
' not believe there were any papers of consequence re-
lative to the Expedition that were not already on the
- table, except such as were reserved for the inspection
,-, of the Secret Committee.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that Mr.
Bathurst's Dispatch of the 15th September. be laid on
the table.—Ordered. . -•- •
Mrc CROKER said, that there was a letter from
the Commander in Chief of the Expedition (Lord
'Chatham)' dated the 14th September, which was not
before the House, and which would be laid before the
Secret Committee, and that it would be very desir-
able it should be attentively considered. •
The House then resolved itselfinto a Committee of
Inquiry to prosecute the examination into the circum-
stances of the Expedition to the Scheldt ; when, on
the 'notion of Mr. Yorke for the enforcement of the
Standing Order, we were obliged to withdraw.
[Strangers were not again admitted ; but we un- I
derstand Sir DAvto Dolmas undeiwent a long exa-1
Irnination in regard to the state of the army previous
to its sailing, and thonature of the preparations for
I fitting it oat. Sir-Luews PEPiS was afterwards exa-
mined. We understand the. principal- point of his
examination was, that the time of his being consulted
with respect to the climate of Walcheren, was the
10th of September.—Adjoarned at One o'cloe44

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