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may deferve attention, and with that I (hall conclude.
For the purpofe of fecuring the independence of the
Houfe of Commons, the law provides, that Member►
of this Houfe accepting certain places of profit un-
der Government, (hall vacate their feats, and be fent
back to their conftituents, who may re-cleft or rejedt
them. But if it be once admitted that any one man
may hold the office while another does the duty, may
it not happen, that by collufian between the parties,
the ;titmice of the law may be defeated ? They
may tacitly underftand one another on the fubjea ;
the feat is not vacated, and two peyfons for the fame
office may be retained in the fervice of Government,
without its appearing that the profits are received by
more than one of them. I now fubmit the whole
cafe to the wifdom of the Houfe, who, I hope, will
not think that I have troubled them on this occafion
without fufficient rearm.
Mr. FOSTER Paid, he rather felt awkward in
being - ' to as tin ofscalyerf?si while he held no

the charges would be. ,hat he bad tnifiated fame eir-
cumtlawces to the Houfe. It might be ad, that a
Noble Lord at the head of the India Board (Lord
Caftlereagh) had gray !riffled the Houfe when be
reprefented that India was in a profperous flats. In
that particular the Hoofs had therefore a right to
look to that Noble Lord as a perfon who was refpon-
fible, not from his being a Member of that Houfe, but
from his holding an official fituation. It was then no
unconftitutionardoarine to fay, that an official Mem-
ber could be called to account. The Hoofs certainly
ought to know who is at prefent Chancellor of the
Exchequer for Ireland, or. in other words, it is necef-
fary to know who was the real Simon Pure ? That
office, in the prefent Rate of affairs, feemed to be
occupied, as his Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr.
Windham) bad expreffed it, by a perfon with two
heads. It was an incongruous monfler, like Ciaan
in the Tate, by (hewing of which a fortune might
be made. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fofter)
was not aaually Chancellor of the Exchequer when
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office. He never bad Paid Wad he held any office, he brought forward the lath Budget. _ 4 fuch
Tha. mug fay that the language he had jell now was the cafe, even by his (Mr. F.'s) own avowal, he
from the Honourable Gentleman was mat .( Mr. Sheridan) would with to know what reliance
wneonflitutionaL He was fully warranted in con- was to be placed by the Houfe upon the accuracy of
dulling hind-oleos be bad done, from his duty as a his flatements ?
Member of Parliament,, without being in any official Mr.CANNING laid, that in point of fat his Right
imam. He had made many gags-meats as to the Hon,. Friend near him (Mr. Fuller) had not made
affairs of Ireland, for two years pan, though he had any motion without intormine the Houle that he
tent introduced fo many . bills, yet his condo& was held no official fituation. fie (Mr. Yodel had
arm till now called in Mullion. The Honourable owned, in every meafure he had propored,that he
Castleman had (tested to fay, that debate ought not had got no official communication. This he had done
•to be free, when he hinted at addreffing his Majefty in order that the Houle might canvas the matter
to Waifs any Member of. that Hoofs on account of with greater attention. So far, therefore, the Haute
- made by him. , He, however, would aver had the evil in their own power. As to the other
(Agit he had as good if t any Member whatever, Right Hon. Gentleman, who was nut performing the
411101110 attempt tolimi right was a thing wholly duties of his office, the Houle might adopt any mea-
t, He therefore, that else Hon. lure they might think proper. It had been hid, that
would fee "ety of not pulling a Gentleman in expelancy mutt be fuppofed to be
:11beamosor any further. is Honourable Gentle- under the influence of the Crown, and that he midi
pion noosed hulloed to.pollt him (Mr. Potter) into vacate his feat previous to his commencing any part
lace, without coafideting Whether or not he was of his duty. If that wu found to be fulfilled, then
Imre to take the official (minion alluded to. that Right Hon. Gentleman would be rendered re.
r. WINDHAM hid, he was not at all &tidied fponfible. An Addrefs to the Crown could not be
• widb the arguments of the Right Honourable relented till Each time as a perfon had undertaken
• Genthensm, as befog any anfwer to what bad been the official Gmation, of the conduit of which filch an
vt% his Roaoarable Friend (Mr. Francis).— addrefs was intended to complain. If that Right
was, how flu. the Houfe ought to Hon. Gentleman had (hewn himfelf incapable of the
wider ditipiroper way of dondueing bulinefs. It charge previous to his accepting the office, the prayer
wertably was not the sisal way in which bills have of an Addrefs to the King could oily be, that his
grime ummagod relative to publicaffairs, allowing them Majefly fhould not confirm the grant.
.into to be bressin forward by perfons not holding Dr. LAURENCE Paid, that this dircultion was
elkiallhonsloon If the Chancellor of the Eitche. material, becaufe it had arifen from a meafure againtt
/leer was to beallowed.to bring forward his bufmefs which Gentlemen might be induced to vote, if it
swim of another, be (the Chancellor of the Es- &mild appear that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
• ) night retire from his Caution, and fay to Fidler) had no better information upon the bonnets
dbe wins India, fault with itatements."You in quettion than other Hon. Members. It appeared
tire%
urn noillaltea. I have done nothing but what every to him to be an anomalous and a new finalities and
individual Member had a power to do." A petton it was exceedingly proper that tome notice fliouid be
46 office had accefs to-facts information as precluded taken of it, fo as to draw forth the curium of Par-
any snots from exilibig. It was highly proper to liament.
flay this matter before the naafis, in order that fuel Mr. FRANCIS explained. He did not mean to
M wmarbtd e front its co lows might not take fay that the Right Hon. Gentleman might not, Aril-
Th
illbes. e ' Honourable Gentleman had evi- ly (peaking, have a right to make fuch a motion, from
d:S
almeli pat ' in a plats of marked ezpatancy. his filename as a Member of Parliament. He (Mr.
mad Might thus go ea tranfatting Wads, fo as to Francis) had only alluded to the danger of introdu-
es the operatic* of the law. There appeared eine an improper pedent.
to be two Chancellors of the Exchortr foe Mr. RI)KINNAI aid, that when the Right Hon.
the one a Imelda( sad the other-a Gemg Gentleman oppofite to him (Mr. Fofter) brought
rinser (a losiii),
_thosigh Neh a co-panaerthip was forward the trill Budget. be (Mr. Kinnaird) had
Wee heard of lecke. In other weeds, be might confidered all the various flatements therein. as
thaw was a Chancellor of dm Ger for Ire proceeding from official information. Had he con-
with two heads. Peollawaent eight to know ceieed it to be otherwife, he would have refueed his
she floseitess of that Ace were to performed content. His Majefty and the country were badly
them. One dello two mouths was to (peak, (creed. and Ireland was left in a difgraceful fituatioo.
lib& she ether was to rd pain as it were behind die The Right Honourable Gentleman was in the fours-
assisisi like the lomboriee of the horizon, one of tion of a pert= who had purchafed an elate, the
which inelt only appear while the other is withdrawn titles to which were not compleated. There was a
en At. In Sort, it was neeeffirry for the Houle to injectable evalion fomewhere. This quellion would
Mew who was Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ire- have a very ufeful tendency, ask would lead to (hew
hinds and whore flatement the .Houfe was to depend whom we were to look to for refponfibility, in regard
upwind he therefore wised fur a mote fatisfatory to theft matters. The Right Honourable Chancel.
anfiere. for of the Exchequer (Mr. Pitt), prefumed himfelf
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER refponfible for the affairs of this country. As to the
*id. he was really at a lots to know what was the manlier with two heads, however, he dared to fay
~i of the dikurim It teemed to be much more that the print mops would loon take care to carica-
hited for entertainment than for the purpok of cure fuch a moniker, fo as to point out the head on
weadeeiag any real good towards the particular Bill which the greaten refponfibility is attached.
the Route, He was at is lots to ccnceive what Mr. FOSTER Paid, that in the difeuffion as to the
was the mean of all this conflitutional jealouly. His Collator's balances, he had repeated more than once
Right Honourable Friend had performed no one at there words, that "he had no aced' to perfons in
which it was not competent fur any Member of the office."
Houle to undertake, though not in an official fitua- Mr. JOHNSTONE obferved, that if the Right
don It was in the power of the Houk to decide Honourable Gentleman was not reponfible, the Houfe
whether or not they ought to attach credit to the was deprived of the perfon to whom they were en-
Ikatenstats laid barite them. He knew of nothing titled to attach refponfibility.
which precluded any Member from making fuch a Mr. HUTCHINSON thought the Bill before the
motion as well as the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Hoofe of very great importauce to Ireland, and
When matters were introduced into that Howe by withed it might be printed.
perfons in official cautions. it was only fignifying the The queffion was then very generally called for,
content of the Crown. He knew not bow the law and the Bill was read a fecund time, and ordered to
bad been violated. The only queflion was. whether be printed.
the warehoufing of fpi • ould not be contented to, Illes1.! ZXCHSVER BILLS BIEL.
because. the propofid had come from his Right Hon. Mr. FOSTER brought up a Bill for railing
Friend ? 800,0001. for the ferrite of Ireland, by Loans on Ex-
Mr. SHERIDAN laid, it was no wonder that the chequer Bills.
Right Hon. Gentleman had been amsfed, becattle On the motion that it be read a fire time,
there was fomethiog very ridiculous in the fititati,,n Mr. JOHNSTONE role and laid, he would with
of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had made she to know on what authority the Right Hon. Gentle-
motion. That Right Hon. Gentleman was on the man fated, in anfwer to a queftion put by another
verge of receiving the falary of his office, unlefs he Right Hon. Gentleman, that there was an arrange-
meant to leave it, as well as part of the duty, in the ment by which no part of thofe Exchequer Bills were
bands of his predeceffor, while he himielf was to to come into circulationf
execute the office. If that Hon. Gentletnan had been Mt. FOSTER anfwered, that what he had laid on
ftriftly introduced as Chancellor of the Exchequer, the i.ccalion alluded to, was only that he had under-
the Hoofe would not have been fav• ored with his flood that tome arrangement had been made in Ire-
company that night. He (Mr. Filler) had fatal, that land to that cleft. If the Honourable Gcntletnan
an Hon. Member had walled to inttude him into wifhed to have a &riot's anfwer, he (Mr. Fuller)
office, even conttat yto his inclit.a.ion. When a Gen would fay, that he had no authority to make any
demon elude t • take all the ti•ortsle of an official fire. fuch flatement.
ation, without Any of the emoluments, he certainly The Bill was then read a Gra time, aod ordered to
Iliewed that he was in expetation of ptocuting it.— I be read a fecond time tomorrow.
If fetch was the cafe, the Hon. Gentleman was only IRISH CrSTOSI DUTIII, SILL.
in a Hate of expalancy, and we had a Chancellor of Mr. FOSTER prefented a Bill for the better re-
tbe Exchequer for Ireland at prefent doing nothing. plating the Cullom Duties in Ireland, apd to pre-
The Hook had therefore a Tight to addrefs hi. Ma- vent fraud therein.
Jetly, listing the ciretunflances of the ;ale, in order Mr. SHERIDAN again role, and obferved, that
t 'make the perfon alluded to do his ditty, or elle not the queltion Allred by two Honourable Friends near
to receive the Gamy. The tuning Chancellor would him, requited an anlwer ; but he defpaired of ta-
bs the end be accufit g the fleeping Chancellor, who' trailing one (tom the Right Hon. Genrkman, as
would come to she Route f r the porprife of defend- he nbvioufly was not the jpelLat Chancellor of the
jag liintlelf. Both of theft Right Hon. Gentlemen Exchequer ; and though the Right Hon. Gentleman
were guilty of a rots millake. and termed to be igno• had laid that a ferious anfss et could hardly be ex-
fain 1.1 cnollitotional jrahnity. This Houle could not peeled, yet be cnnfidercd the quellioo as too felt-
*Drell the King as to an individual Member; but nun to be anfwettd .n jell. He walled. to know
it that Member be an Met of the Crows, oat of I whether the Right Hon. Gentleman hinted( bad