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ship in India, and found her extremely durable.
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believed that teak ships in genetal were not liable to
the dry rot ; and he knew of India.built ships, which
had served in the Bombay Marine without requiring
any repair whatever.
The Vote was then agreed to.
On the motion that 458,250 i. he granted to his J‘lajesty to tom.
plete the expense of defraying the charges for half-pay to ku
Majesty's Naval Officers for this yea being put,
Mr. HUME opposed it. The yca- before the bse
French war, the whole thane for Naval half I:ar
was only 172,0001. Promotion in the navy w,s
the only blanch of the public service over Yt'hi;
there was no conttoul. The ."....I.rnt!aity had 11.
power of granting as many Commissioners at
pleased, and every Commi:sioner gave an annuity,.
Those who ta•ked of supporting the efacient nave
ought to hear in n ind that the more they increased' th
dead weight, the more they reduced the sum the
could devote to the maintenance of the active se'
vice. At the commencerneot of this year there were n
less than .5 558 Officers, and yet during this year then
had been no less than 252 promotions, being an ercesi
of 41. over the number removed. Nothirg short of as
absolute prohibition against Promotion would check the
evil. It was a reproach to those who had to adroi.,
nister the finances, but a much greater reproach to that
Hotte,that such a system should have been sufferedto
continue so long, and it would not have been allowed
to do so had not the connexions of the Members of that
House shared in the benefits.

Mr. MA BElt LY opposed 0 e vote. It was one which
ought to be particularly attended to. Was it not tb.t
a Finance Committee was sitting, he• should say sort
upon the subject.
Admiral EVANS supported the vote. It was eery
easy for those who had been protected in the time of
war to grow economical in the time of peace. If it were
said there should be no promotion, those who were the
first to propose such a measure would, if a war broke
out, be the first to find fault with the Admiralty tc
having nothing but old Officers—( Hear.)
Col. DAVIES observed, that there was no objection
to pay the debt of gratitude ; but the objection was h
the introduction of young men, and who were to., often
pa,sed over the heads of old Officers. He was sure, if
justice were done between the parties, that out of the
grants from the Navy one million, and from the Army
three millions, might be saved to the country.
• Sir G. COCKBURN said, that it was extremely dif.
ficult for those who were intrusted with the power or
granting commissions to say where to stop. The claims
which were advanced were difficult to reject. It was
one of those subjects which might advantageously be
dealt with by the Finance Committee, and he had given
Ins evidence to the Committee upon the subject with
the utmost candour—(Hear). There had this year been
a promotion made of Midshipmen who entetei the ser-
vice in 1815, which had considerably swelled the
number.

Mr. HUME complained of young men being admit
ted into the service, and not oh their being provided for
after they bad served.
Sir G. COCKBURN replied, that if no young men
were introduced, what would be the state of the service
in the event of a war ? This was one of the difficilties
of the question, and this :flowed the necessity of having
it calmly discussed before the Finance Committee.

Mr. LINDSAY confirmed these remarks.
Grant agreed to.
Sir G. CLE ILK • next moved that there be granted 165,107 to
complete the sums for Superannuated and Widows Pensions.
£750 for Bounty to Chaplains. ,
£5,000 for Widows and Orphans on the Compassionate List.
5E.5.2,000 for the relief of Widows of Warrant Officers (Widows
Charity).
Mr. HUME complained of the constant increase of these several
items. , He trusted, before next Session, they would be subjected
to a revision.
Grants agreed to.
Sir G. CLERK moved that there be granted £5,000 to com-
plete the vote for Widows of Marine Officers.
£130,000 to complete the grant to make good the deficiency in
the Out-pensioners' Fund.
Mr. HOME objected to the system of giving pensions to sea-
men for service in time of peace. A cmtrary course would tend
to diminish the necessity of resorting to impressment In time of
war.—Grants agreed to,
Sir G. CLERK moved that there be granted £81,951 to eom-
plete the vote for superannuation, &c. of persons employed is tee
inaval departments.
Mr. HUME complained of the increase of this list during the
'last year.
Sir B. MARTIN said, it partly resulted from the suppression of
some Offices.

Mr. HUME said, there was £4O for the " dancing master to
the Navy."
Sir G. CLERK replied, that the charge would not again occur
—the appointment had been put down.—Agreed to.
Sir G. CLERK moved that there be granted £94,466 to cotta•
plete the vote for the expenses of dock-yards.
Mr. HUME said it was useless to go-into details in that Bosse;
he had three years ago complained of this item, and he now pro-
tested against it on the ground of its extravagance. This exptuil:-
ture ought to be inquired into.
Sir G. CLERK moved that there be granted £129,500 to eon-
plete the vote for the purchase of provisions fpr troops at home
stations in garrisons, and £139,000 to complete the vote for expense
of the transport service.

sir. HU 11 E said that there were many abuses in this system
which squired investigation.
Sir B. MAKI' IN observed that tramports were not
when other vessels could be obtained, except the services wet very
special.
Agreed to.—Resolutions ordered to be reported to-roorrcw.
EAST RSTFORD.

The House went into Committe on this Bill, on the motion of
Mr. TENN ISON.

Mr. N. CALVERT asked the Hotioutable Gentleman whether
it was kis intention to persevere in his fill ?
Mr. TENNISON replied in the affarmative.
Mr. N. CALVERT said, that in that case he Avoid
move an Amendment ; for he could not consent to tse
county of Nottingham being deprived of two of in
Members,-as it'already had not .4%)0,e its fair &lute. ft
was, therefore, his invention to move, that inste,,i to the
right of voting being taken away from the BtireOP.
it sh,.tild be put intb• the hands of such pe:st,ns i 7 ti.e
Borough and the adjoining Hundred as were -
pendent in their circumstances, and therefore iess
to be biasse.l in the giving f their vote. The tubtance
.of his Amendment was, that the right of voting 511" rd
remain with thosz. only who were fated in t•
rates at 201. a year, and that ['le returv:•.;:, t dicer
should be ra•c_f at 401. a sear.
Some conversation here took place as to the manner in which
the Hon. Gentleman should intri.duce his AllltOlillit Ilt.
Dr. PH I LLI MORE thought that the lion. Urntientan obght to
move for the postponement of the Yea t.ble.
The Outman (Mr. John Wood) said that be understood that
could not be done.

The Preamble was then read; and
Mr. N. CALVERT moved an Amendment to the above effect.
Mr. Secretary PEEL doubted whether the Hon. Gentleman had
adopted the most convenient course:, as he did not think that the
Preamble was applicable to the nature of this Amendment.
Mr. TENNISON said, that notwithstanding tire im-
pression which had been manifested by the House on a
former occasion, and what had taken place elsewhere,
his Honourable Ftiend app ared determined to persist
in his motion. lie (Mr. Tennison) was sure the current
of public opinion was entirely averse to the course which
it was now
be inconsistent with the suggesti‘4l of the Right Hon.
proposed to punue. Such a course would
Seeretry for the Home Department, who had said that
if the elective franchise was extended at Pew yn to the
Hundreds, it should, in the case of East Retford, be
transferred. to*one of the great manufacturing towns.

The Honourable Member contended, that the trans.
ter of the franchise from East Retford to the Hun-
, died of Bassetlaw would be merely adding to the Peerage
influence in that House, which was well known by the
name of the Dukery of Btssetlaw—it being the property
of a Pcer,whose borough influence was duly appreciated
by those to whom votes were a matter of moment. The
Electors of Bassetlaw would gain nothing by the trans•
ler, unless indeed a new yoke, or rather a new market
ei servitude. With respect for that Hundred, to the
~gurnent of the injustice of depriving Nottinghamshire
of two Representatives, he begged the Committee to
rear in mind, that that county had originally but four
Members, two being added by Queen Elizabeth and
Iwo by Charles 11. in consequence of the attachment of
Ne, aik to the Stuart family. Besides,. the Repre-
en•at,ves of East Retford were almost invariably per-
s-n, not et all connected with the county of Notting-
which county, by the way, had double the repre-
vscntation of Warwickshire, for the former had eight
i'.epresentatives to a population of 150,000 souls—that is,
%::e Representative for every 19.000 persons ; whileWar-
,ickshire had but six Representatives for 300,000 inha-
VitAlltS, being a Representation in the proportion of one
'o every 46,000—tw0 to one as compared with Not-
tinghamshire. Neither could it be said that the Agri-
'cultural ReptesentatiOn in that House would be
weakened by the disfranchisement of East Retford; for
is was the opinion of Mr. Justice Blackstone and other
Constitutional Lawyers, that open Boroughs were
originally intended to represent the Commercial, the
Manufacturing, and the Agricultural interests of the
country, without a special regard to one more than
another. Since the reigns of fleary VIII. and Charles
11. ninety-three Boroughs had been added to the Re-
pr eseatation—amongst which were Liverpool, Lancas-
ter, Preston, and other places of trade, which, within
the last hundred years, had added to the Revenue ;
to an amount compared with which, the increase of
t: :e agricultural wealth of the country was, compa-
vArvery speaking, but trifling. It behoved the House,
ti.en, to adjust the di•propor Lion between the agricultural
and the commercial representation, by taking advantage
or occasions like the present to add to the one without
weakening the other. Such a course was in harmony
wi h the spirit of the Constitution, which was friendly
to such changes as the necessities of the State required,
and by no means sanctioned the principle that the repre•
'waive system was to remain stationary. A wise and
enlightened Government would not avoid such changes
.—a would rather seek them—from a conviction of the
importance of commerce to the wealth, greatness, and
prosperity of the country. No man could deny that
the franchise should be transferred to Manchester, Bir-
mingham, or the other great manufacturing towns.—
Anchester had more indirect and virtual representation
than Birmingham, therefore on public grounds he would
recommend the latter town as that most entitled to the
elective franchise.

Mr. N. CALVERT could not agree that the corn-
inercial interest was not adequately represented, and
thes rfore could not subscribe to the propositions of the
liqn. Member.

Mr. LUMLEY was friendly to the proposition to
+transfer the franchise to the Hundred of Bassetlaw.

Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN considered the ques-
ti.m before the Committee to be a great Constitutional
vae, which should not be discussed with a view to
separate the agricultural from the commercial interests.
Tome interests were inseparably connected, and fell or
flourished together. Upon the trade and commerce of
the &ate dependea its agricultural prosperity, and vice
versa. With respect to the measure for transferring the
franchise from East Retford to Bierniogham, he would
only. ask, was it intended that the House should be the
onttual Representatives of the people? If so, was the
.teat and populous town of Birmingham to remain
without a Representative? Was the county of War-
wick, so much mote extensive, populous, and wealthy
than Nottingham, to contain fewer Representatives ?
Ilfibery and curt uption, as notorious as the sun at noon-
di'i, had been proved to have for a series of years
prevailed at Last Retford, and the House was bound
to interfere and put an end to them. The Landed
Property of the country was more than duly repre-
sented; for more than one hundred and fifty Members
were the nominees of about 70 peers—not to take into
account the natural influence of private property. It
was, therefore, the duty of Parliament to restore the
commercial equipoise as much as pOssible, by sanction-
ing measures of a tendency like to that then before the
Commioee.—(The Hon. Member was much interrupted
by cries of question.)—He would not be silenced by
such conduct. No parallel was to be met with out of
doors. Such a mode of treating a serious question was
not the most likely to conciliate the people, or to stifle
the voice of Parliamentary Reform. He would merely
add, that he thought the House ought to consider its
ova dignity, without regard to any feelings that may
exist in another place.
Sir G. PHILLIPS supported the motion for the
transfer of the franchise to Birmingham, on the ground
that the agricultural Member for one county duly re-
presented the agricultural interest of all other counties;
while a great manufacturing town like Birmingham
moulted a particular Representative, acquainted with
the special interests of his own Constituents.
Mr. Secretary PEEL had on a former occasion stated
his sentiments on the measure before the Committee,
and had, when the Penryn case was before the House,
voted for the transfer to Manchester. These facts
showed he had no insuperable objection to the transfer
of the East Retford franchise, if it appeared that equal
toounds existed for the disfranchisement of that Borough.
He however thought. there existed material distinctions
between the Penryn and the East Rettord cases, for the
former had been repeatedly warned of the consequences
it its misconduct, and was situated in a county which
returned forty-tour Members; whereas East Retford
W." nor before warned, and was in a county that,
returned but eight Members. He would, then, vote for
the transfer of the franchise of East Retford to the
adjacent Hundred of Bassetlaw, on the same principles
which induced him to vote for the transfer of the Pen-
ryn franchise to Manchester. In voting for the' transfer
tithe franchise to Bassetlaw, he was not influenced by
any personal or official motive. Indeed, if he were
actuated by his personal feelings, he would vete for the
transfer to Birmingham—a town to which he was, for
man? reasons, more attached than he possibly could be
to the Hundred of Bassetlaw. He had heard nothing
to induce him to alter his former view of the question,
and would therefore adhere to his vote for trenferring
the franchise to the adjacent Hundred.
Mr. LYT'I LEPON viewed the question as one that
involved the privileges of the Commons of England,
*frith would be cherished and advanced by extending
the franchise to Birmingham—not so it it be transferred
to the adjoining Hundred.
Mr. STANLEY, in supporting the vote for transfer.
ring the franchise to Birmingham, deprecated the sys-
tem of imputing or disclaiming personal motives to the
runes of Hon. Members. He had no connection what-
ever with Birmingham, though he voted for it ; and
*as connected with Bassetlaw, against which his vote

LON I/ON.

TUESDAY, MAY 20, 1828.

STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK.

A French Paper received this morning by the Mail states, that
at the same time Don Panto sent his decree of his abdication,
dated the 3el of March, by a vessel to Havre, he also sent the
Don John the Vlth., on board of which were Commissioners,
charged to remit the said decree in. person to the INFANT ; but on
the last news from Lisbon, dated the 6th, the above vessel had not
arrived there.

Consols opened this morning at 8.51 afterwards were done at
853, and at present may be quoted at 85t 3, with little or no bu-
siness doing.—The Foreign market is in the same state of stag-
nation as the British.

CITY, HALF-PAST ONE O'CLOCK.
Consols have been fluctuating, during the morning, between
851 i and 851 3 for the Account, with little doing.

There h great anxiety kit for the Mexican Packet, which has
not yet arrived.

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