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PARLIAMENTARY PJ

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HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 4. '
The Earl of Warawiazavir and Lord Beams took the midis
and their seats.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a Peddon from the
Parish of St. BotolA Without Aldgate, against the renewal of
the Insolvent Hellion Bill.
The Earl of DERBY-4 Petition from a number of the Cot-
ton Manufacturers of Manchester against the Bill now pending
for regulating the number of hews in which persons shall he em-
ployed in Cotton Ilanefisetorks.
The Noble Earl then resented two other Petitions, one from
the Roman Catholics of the Townships of Manchester and Sal-
ford, and the second from persons of the same religious perms-
elan, in the Cities of London and Westminster, and the Bo-
rough of Southwark, praying for the removal of those disabili-
ties which prevent them from enjoying the full benefits of the
British Constitution.
The Earl of DON OUGH MORE informed their Lordships,
that as he.unfortunately felt himself very unwell, he should be,
leave to postpone the presentation of those Petitions en behalf
of his Roman Catholic fellow-subjects in Wand, with which
be was entrusted to a futureevening.
The Bishop of SALISBURY presented a Petition from the
Clergy of Bristol against the Roman Catholic Claims.
On the question for its being received,
The Earl of CARNARVONT rose and made a few observa-
tions on the occasion. Ile seemed to question the strict regu-
larity, or the Constitutional tight of Clerical Bodies thus coining
forward, and opposing contemplated measures which merely
went to affect the civil rights of another description of their fel-
low-subjects, and in which their own special interests were no
way concersed.oe the'Established Religion of the country aimed at.
Lord KENYON widely differed from the Noble Earl as to
the view which he took of the important subject tq which the
Petition referred. For his own part, he thought a more impair-'
tam question with reference to the Llergy.of the Church of Eng-
land, could not be a-itated. They were not only justified in so '
doing, but be held it bounden duty of the Established Clergy
so to come forward.- What these persons sought for, went es-
sentially to affect the security of the Irish branch of the Esta-
blished Church, which funned a part of the Constitution of these
Realms, as solemnly determined at the time of the Revolution;
and as the extension of political power, as called for by that part
of their fellovt-Subjects, would so seriously tad to the political
power of those persons. in a way likely to endanger the safety
of our religious establishments, he could not but regard as a vio-
Ltion of their duty, if the Clergy did not so come forward.
The Petition was then received, and, as the others, ordered to
lie on the table. . _ .

The Duke of BEDFORD presented a Petition from the Bo- I
rough of 'favistock, in support of the Roman Catholic Claims.
'The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, agreeably to his notice,
moved the third reading of the Quarter Sessions Division OIL
Iu the few words with which his Loedship accompanied the
motion, be observed that the measure was very likely to pro-
duce a salutary effect, and such'seetned to be the opinion gene-
rally of.,ths Idagistrates upon" the sobject..—The Bill was then
read the third tune and paused.
The Life Anaulties' Bill was read the second time, and the
other Bills before the 110 se being respectively forwarded, their
Lozdships adjourned till to-morrow.

be if house paid no attention to what Was said
ter). His first objection to the Lottery sys-
tem was its immorality. The view which the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer took of this part of the quals.`
don was this that there was. in every society a car
tabs quantity of vice always 'bet, end that he, as a:
financier, had a right •to make a profit by it. The
fancy that privatevices were public benefits was now
exploded, and therefore he could not see how the,
Right Hon. Gentleman could persist in defending
himself on this ground. The scandal of all the dirty
work done by the Lottery Contractors, in provoking
a spirit of gambling ; all the disgrace of their roguery
and cheating, must be laid at the door of the Govern-
ment. The infamous practice of Lottery Taxation
was supported by informers and fraud:. He would
endeavour . that evening to remove the tyranny of
that taxation. In condemnation of it, he read an
extract from a well-informed Author on the subject,
a Mr. Davidson, who, on reasoning on the imperfec-
tions of our Penal Laws, those laws regarding which
so much had lately been advanced in that House,
attributed a great portion of crime among the lower
'classes to the frauds practised by Lotteries—frauds
which induced many a poor wretch to go to the ex •
tremity of crime. The Honourable Member then
explained the artifices adopted to persuade the
,wretched adventurers of the richness of the wheel.—
In the first day's drawing one would suppose that
the greater proportion of prizes would be drawn, as
well at a greater proportion of tickets. No such
thing.. No sooner is the first day's drawing finished,
than immediately appear puffs of all descriptions,
that as all the prizes remained still undrawn, there
was of course an amazingly rich wheel ! , After the
second day's drawing, nearly a similar expedient is
adopted. Few or none of the larger prizes having
been yet drawn, there was consequently a prodi-
giously rich wheel, highly deserving the attention of
the Public. The third came, when very few, if any,
went to the Public ; those things being better ma-
naged by the Contractors ! Ile did not mean to say'
but that some of these might be" Honourable Men;
but, in allusion to those in power, it was lucky for
them that they were not " right Honourable."—(A
laugh.)—lf during the drawing any prizes were
allotted to the adventurers, mark the gain—for the
ticket he pays £2l, and gets on an average CIO in
return. Thus, he is not defrauded of the whole ; for,
when he gets a prize, he is only defrauded of the
half of the sum which he had originally expended I
The whole system was an abominable fraud, and
that under the sanction of his Majesty's Chancellor
of the Exchequer—(Hear, hear). The profit he sup-
posed £250,000 a year, and never was such a sum
wrung more fatally and more criminally from the,
pockets, nay, the vitals of the People. In a late
Lottery, they had advertised that Consols would be
taken at pa: for tickets ; another specific fraud....
(Hear, hear, hear). There was still a more abomi-
nable fraud practised by the harpies who were the
Contractors. Sorte years ago the Governors of
Christ Hcspital, whose boys used to be employed in
the drawing, had determined that they should no
longer be engaged in such an immoral act—(hear).
He knew two of the Governors—Earl Spencer and the
Member for Poole—had recommended this amend-
ment in the conduct of the Charity, as the youth
might thus be easily initiated in the practice of gam-
bling, and so prove injurious to their morals. The
Blue Coat Boys were therefore. discontinued. But
those who were Lottery Contractors thought that it
would disarm them of the chief instruments of con-
tinuing and creating dupes were the Blue Coat Boys
apparently to discontinue their operations, and there-
fore displayed them ostentatiously at every drawing.
The Honourable Member himself went the other day
to Coopers Hall, this place where the Contractors
carry on "_their little rascally business r It was with
difficulty the Honourable Member obtained admis-
sion ; but he pressed forward, by leaping over some
sears, at the hazard of his limbs. This place, where
they carried on their nefarious transactions under the
sanction and protection of the Char.cellor of the Ex-
chequer—not that the Rik Hon. Gentleman was
directly a party to their infamy—was dark and
gloomy as if done so for the purpose of concealing
their villanies. There was one grave.looking Gen-
tleman who gave a most grotesque effect to this
scene ! And there also appeared the Blue Coat Boys !
But he could not for a moment believe that they be-
longed to Christ's Hospital, more especially after the
interference of such respectable Governors. He must
therefore believe this one more of the numerous ca-
talogue of frauds committed by the Contractors.—
(Hear, hear.) It was a scene of a very suspicious
description, whe:e those boys were playing their vil-
lainous m:uqueradings in the dark ! The Honoura-
ble' Member assured the House, that he saw enough
there to convince him of the moral turpitude of
the system, and of the rascally and ungentleman-
like employment of the Contractors, who directed
the whole machiherl !—(hear, hear, hear.)--One
word more on the abominable practices of the Lot-
tery : in their speculations on public delusion, the
Contractors calculate much on the superstition of
their customers. In a Contractor's dvertisement
litely, there was a grand display of dB distribution
'of prizes, consisting of a long list of places to which
the Goddess Fortune had been uncommonly bountiful
by the last Lottery 1 The prizes and places were
finaneolzerarranged—to such a place £sooo—to such
4:2000—to such. another £lOOO, and so on,
mentioning from whole tickets and the highest prizes
down to a 16th, or £lO. Wh.lt is the effect of this
expedient? In all those places mentioned in the list,
the number of adventurers increase ten-fold; and
from the perusal of the advertisement, orders for the
purchase of tickets and shares multiply from every
place. But the mischief was not confined to specu- ,
lotions in the Lottery; the practice excited a spirit'
of gambling, a disposition to drunkenness, and idling
away the time of the villagers. Thus the morals of
the people were corrupted, all waiting with the great-
a impatience for ' • golden showers of the Chan-
- of through the happy medium
A many places, its mischievous
'he had now mentioned. When
fortunate, what did he do %
%fashioned custom of setting
—No—He got drunk, and,
y, he lavished away what
bestowed on him— set on

and morals by the Chan-
(—(Acar, hear).-At Sheffield
productive of such-evil couse-

'quences, that Mr. Montgomerf, the Poet, for whose
virtues he felt every respect, refusei to insert their
puffs and advertisements in the paperafwhich he was
ediwead proprietor, thereby losing vat annual
. The promise of wine was aw6er species of
algal) the dupes in the Lottery. Although he
%lid not approve of this fraud, yet be would much
lather that the Contractors should promise wine than
gin, as the latter would be too shocking in its opera-
tioll !' The Contractors were a very active set of men,
always alive to their interest, consequently to the
interest of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
When the Right Hon. Gentleman resumed cash pay-
ments, they, in imitation, announced in their adver-
tisemtnts, that the prizes would all be distinguished
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by cash payments ! So that all the sots, as well as
fools, repaired immediately to the various temples of
the lucky goddess (the Lottery Offices), to invoke her
for a share of her favours. The Lottery was the
greatest fraud that had ever been imposed on a de-
luded public. As the mischief was only half done,
it reminded him of a man who had been half hanged.
The adventurer paid at the rate of twenty pounds a
ticket, and, should he be so fortunate as to get a
prize, he received back at the rate of ten pounds a
ticket. Thus, if any man were to tell him that ten
pounds was better than twenty pounds, he might
freely retort upon him that he fold a lie! The Hon.
Member afterwards went into a calculation of the
number of tickets, and how many prizes upon an
average in every Lottery ; and insisted, that it was a
system more abominable than that of Pharo or E. 0.
In the raising money by way of lottery, the lion.
Member made his calculation from 45,000 tickets,
which, selling at the price mentioned, would produce
£1,000,000. in this mode, thepurchaser lost £500,000
of what he advanced. Out of the £500,000 which
went to the Lottery, the Chancellor of the Exchequer
kept £500,000 for the service of Government, and'
left £200,000 for the Contractors. By the Report
which had been presented to the House on the Lot.'..
.tery, the expense incurred by the Contractors in the
management of a Lottery, was, according to the evi...
dence of Mr. Richardson and Mr. Swift,E9oo,ooo. Thus
£1,000,000 was taken from the pockets of the public
and transferred to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
I3esides the manifold evils attendant on such a sys.-
tern, there was no other tax or revenue so expels-
,,ively collected. He did not absolutely charge the
Right Hon. Gentleman with being concerned in those
frauds and villanies, but he thought it incumbent
upon him to declare, that this House should disclaim
any participation of such villanies, by agreeing to
the abolition of Lotteries. In the application uf mo-
nies for the establishment of Schools, Bible Socie-
ties, &c. the objects were laudable. We ought not
to raise money in the manner mentioned, at the ex-
pense of public morals. It was inconsistent and dis-
graceful to us as a nation. The Hon. Member'did
not pretend to know what might be the distresses of
the State, but whatever were the distresses of the
State, he would never consent to violate every prin-
ciple of moral obligation, and thus corrupt and de-
stroy the best affections of the people. If we expect
pa strengthen Government, we must improve and
guard the morals of the people—if we aim at pros-
perity, we must guide the people to laudable objects
of pursuit. He hoped the House would agree with
him this night in the resolutions which he was about
to submit to their consideration. He hoped also that

several Gentlemen who had declared themselves at-
taihed to the measure, would comeforward to co-ope-
rate with him. He had now done his duty by exposing
some of the frauds and villanies arising from the Lot-
wry. He flattered himself some Gentlemen whom he
now saw, and who were known to be enemies to cor-
ruption, immorality, and rascally frauds, would avail
themselves of this opportunity to avow their determi-
nation on a subject of the first importance to the
people—(Dear hear.)—ln short, he hoped that this
night would put an end to taxation by way of Lot-
ter•. He concluded by moving a Resolution in sub-
stance—That this House can no longer sanction the
raising of money for the service of Government by
established State Lotteries; that Lotteries give rise to
other species of gambling, to the injury of the people,
and the corruption of their morals ; and that this
House will no longer authorize State Lotteries, under
'any regulation whatever.—(Hear, Hear!)
The motion being seconded,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER en-
tered into an explanation of the advantages and dis-
advantages of State Lotteries. The Right Honour-
able Gentleman approved of the professed motives
which had induced the Honourable Member to spb-

mit to the House the Resolution which had now been
read. But with as warm an attachment to the mo.
rats of the people as the Honourable Gentleman, or
any other Member of that House, the Honourable
Gentleman could nor conceive how he, as Chancellor
of the Exchequer, could make up his mind to sacri-
fice so large a portion of the Public Revenue as
£300,000 a-year, without being. able to produce
something equally productive in its stead. He was
as anxiously solicitous as the Honourable Gentleman
for the protection of public morals ; but with the
greatest deference to the feelings of the people, he
drought it incumbent upon him, while he remained
in the office which he held, to be careful of the Pub.
tic Revenue. In a financial view, the Lottery was a
necessary expedient; and with respect to the-conse-
quences brought on certain adventurers by means of
their imprudent speculation, he was no pan; to the
transaction. It any individual, careful of Orr inte-
rest of his family, was desirous of improving his
circumstances by a speculation, he saw no harm in
the adventure ; but, be the result as it may, he did
not conceive himself as a party to the affair.---
The whole of the Honourable Gentleman's speech
seas founded on a principle of fraud and gambling;
the evil effects he lamented as much as the Honour-
able Member; bat he could not, as a testimony of
gratitude for that speech, which might be considered
as a dissertation on morals, consent to forego a seri-
ous portion of the public revenue without having
something equally productive. If some of the sto-
ries stated by the Honourable Gentleman were well
ftitlndsd, it was the duty of Government to inquire
into the particulars, and to remedy the evils by vigi-
lance and activity. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man then detailed the result of the Lotteries for the
last three years, proving that prosecutions had won-
derfully diminished, and that the Little Goes, the
sources of many evils, had been almost totally' sup-
pressed. The Right Hononrable Gentleman then
lititisepa aiendment for the regulations for future

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Lotteries. The wine, promised ac an
the purchasers of tickets, was a proje,
tractors, and not suggested by Gover,
saw no harm in that scheme. If Gi
anxious, from principles of philaathn
the morals of the people, they ought
them some plans for exciting tlsem
habits. The Honourable Gentlemal
House that he would rtoice is the
/lonourable Member had been very am
argumentative on the occasion ; but wi
which that speech deserved,, the Rigi
Gentleman could not consent to !.,-en
the public revenue; and thereto7e he
the resolution.

th:
Mr. ELLIS thought that the wl
State Lotteries had a teradency to
morals of the people; and therefore
port the Motion.
. Mr. BUXTON, in support of the "M, c
if the continuance of State Lotteries produced
revenue, it also produced great vices andgreat
'g4
morality. He could not thatbelievex
h thiseghe hypeduerbmu m,'
tote
was so reduced as to sell the morals of the peril:4h'
the sake of revenue. The Tax was delusive all;
fraudulent, and dangerous in its operations. Wll
this Tax was condemned with the e:ecration
itin dhei,seseryted.oitloife
L.C3oo,hancotelo lorofthe Ebc.ut
a-year;
the House would no longer sanction any campts
mice of character for the sake of revenue. The H„
nces
Itteno:cilibeyrelm':;e
noun able Gentleman then detailed mftsaairrioyrrirs:fii
corruption and immorality is several villages, ailing
from the evil effects of Lotteries. In one village, rn
particular, a prize of £2OOO had falhm to the lot of
loar club.aftmany,
bany ya, Tlmwruhelotr,iei:blui
before
multiplicity
ew aotsfhniase ctpvoumardspu‘lieettneot
[Lottery, were industrious and respectable. but afar
an absence of fifteen years, he had learnt that every
one of the Lottery Clubs had failed, and that tile
one-half of the members had died by prof,igacv and
want, and the other half had become bar.krupts! Tie
system of Lottery ought to be put down, as a public
nuisance. .No man could enter a villa` e, without
being annoyed by large blazoning letters re;pecCng
the Lottery. The adventurers were of the lowest de-
scription, and, as such, merited commiseration. They
consisted of young servant maids and servant inn,
who were frequently induced to rots their mauersaad
mistresses to gratify their spirit of speculation.
It was over! these poor deluded creatures that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer and his insatiable Con-
tractors were victorious. When at last reduced to
the greatest extremity, they became desperate, and
were frequently distracted it mind. In the list of
bankrupts and insolvent debtors, manv of them at.
tributed their embarrassments to specula-ions in the
Lottery. In a late instance. when a person had be-
come ins;olved, he (Mr. Benton) had occasion to look
4nw his affairs, and found, with respect to he had
alluded to as belonging to a Isenetit :c:c;v, that be
had adventured the whole in the Lottery, ~rd had lost
every farthing. The Chancellor of the Exc:iequer had
vauntingly said, in his financial view of the subject,
that he had put an end to the Little Goes ! He la-
mented that a million was in this manner extorted
from the people, in order to increase the number of
paupers, and to fill the workhouses ; and all thesewas
were sanctioned merely for the sake ofsupportiegl.sd
cherishing a set of rogues and vagabonds!—(Haar.)
Mr. PARNELL observed, that the Right Homthe
Chancellor of the Exchequer contradicted by his
conduct the policy of Queen Elizabeth, who said,
that money in her subjects' pockets, was money in
'her own. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was act
contented till he extracted it from his fellow-subjects,
and put it into his own official pockets. He had
boasted of nearly destroying the Little Go. But the
only way he had chosen to destroy the Little Go, was
by getting up the Great Go!—(Loudlaughter). The
Right Hon. Gentleman had some of the peculiarities
of the Irishman. He was allowed to speak twice. He
was that sort of characterthat he was allowed to charge
his mind without seeming ridiculous—Varighten.--
It was curious how the Chancellor of the Exchequer
connected the transactions of Government with the
corruption of public, morals. It was a system winch
coUldnot fail of shaking the character of any Govern-
ment. Knowing that the Chancellor of the Eiche-
quer was a religious and moral character, he begged
leave to ask if he ever bought a Lottery Ticket?—
( Laughter.) He would cheerfully support the motion.
Mr. Alderman WOOD considered it very extraor-
dinary that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite should
have talked of the suppression of Little-goes, when
his own statement had shewn a large increase of them
daring the last three years ; and he (AlderrnanWood)
was prepared to shew, on the contrary, that Little-
goes were encouraged in consequence of Lotteries.—
The worthy Alderman proceeded to detail the mari-
ner in which fraudulent insurances of numbers vest
effected—the infatuation being so great, that in the
House of one of those poor wretches, he said, who
existed by these nefarious means (but who, neverthe-
less, had accumulated from the credulity of his dupes.
100 guineas in gold, riO in silver, and a large hoard
of copper, which were discovered at the same owe!.
a paper was found, containing a list of the name, of
the insureirsdrey were of various classes--clerk,
public offices, merchants, and tradesmen. A sera"
of his own, the wife of a man who earned at his eme.o7.
meet two guineas a week, had carried her convictio
of the efficacy of those insurances and the certainty
her obtaining a prize so far, that she completely mad
him, and he died amidst want, and wretchedness.--
If the Right Hon. Gentleman would grant hier.3
Committee, he pledged himself to prove that
Goes were always caused by Lotteries ; which wze
an evil that he was astonished to find the Chancelicr
of the Exchequer, who was always foremost at ere?
Meeting, whose object was one of public u:ility
the amelioration of private morals, lendii:g his ale
tenanc.e to. They had just voted £1,000,000 3",'Y
for New Churches : to tolerate this syAem yeas to‘..e-
prive them of the means of going there decently 5.44'
Mr. WILBERFORCE said, that when be cow
a
cdoerenct thaton in fraud ; perfected in guilt and termioated,
ind th this
awuads
.ths pea t ciite suof,asinallicepbiteildigtabendgclrupa::!tion :4,
misery ; ending perhaps in the public execution
the individuals who had unhappily engaged in 14_
be had felt it to be a ;natter of duty to come down
t:7
tmheotlicLouosce
histo honourable
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of
demoralize
lotions cl'oentti,
produced grra
s and great
at this count,'
of the people
Is delusive ail
!rations. Wltz
!:earation which
chequer brougbt
t he hoped thAt
in any campy.
cnue. The Ho.
'any instances of
villages, arising
a one village, tu
Ilan to the tot of
sacrifice of 530:
arers, to the rein
f fortune by the
table. but after
learnt that every
!d, and that the
y profiigacy aad
bat,krupts! Tte
own, as a public
village, without
otters respecting
of the lowest de-
niscration. They
nd servant men,
their marten and
f speculation.—
eatures that the
insatiable Coo-
lest reduced to
e desperate, and
. In the list of
aanv of them at-
ectilici.ns in the
I person had be-
occasion to loot
ct to-1:400 be had
St:ciuty, that he
cry, ..nd had lost
e Exciiequer had
nre of the subject,
e Goes ! He la-
manner extorted
e the nun,ber of'
and all these evas
If-supporting 'Lid
ronds!—(l-ker.)
e Hight Hoo.the
tradicted by his
beth, who said,
s, was money in
chequer was not
s fellow-subjects,
ockets. He had
de Go. But the
he Little Go, was
dlaughter ). The
the peculiarities
speak twice. He
Jloveed to charge
rs--(kroghteT
if the Exchequer
nment with the
a system which
of any Govern-
or of the Eiche-
acter, he begged
ittery Ticket ?
:PiiittPolitlderieiloegoet!etlflsh:°t:t.iod";eirini‘
.ary, that Little-
e of Lotteries.—
detail the mart-
of numbers wise
Teat, that in the
es, he said, who
t who, neverthe-
ility of his dupes.
nd a large hoard
: the same time).
: of the name; of
lasses—clerk,,
Tien. A set;
.ed at his eml):o7'
cd her convictio.
the CertailltY a
ompletely rywai
wretchedness.--
old grant him 1
oipp)eiri,crer:r,uov;ielirezili:ocylcg,thist::o7,itaa*nicissttihyitciceLe3tlet:;::;::efr.e.:ye
when he cons-
oling, begun
aid
pted and 01.17''a
id terminated '1
die execution "
p- engaged inn,
to come down t°
I to support the
[Hear, Dieu,.)
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