Star.
London, England, 1810-05-10 00:00:00

trevai" I with the men initials: be
o in respect to the wOillittit.--411110 hti
the power of wdlatilig Mfeiffirdiaati WIC
tistost oft ie Client/ silibe itsestablishow
ed the greatest 'estormides.. - With iweetwir
bays on board diailksi what hail the
saver for, whin there moral* wan then
'ruined ? elfett.ef• all thit may not hi
felt liyns as brportcrity ; we ere in fact p
S .uth 5?..4 Islands with villainy ; many
it a ppetrs knits tgeihissionarlei, havelse?
of the 'Savages ; have instructed thew in 4817.
ples of NaVigation and sre.in fact Enalth. dam so
rest of pirates. The cape** attending.* was ere, .
Mout; in 1717, it excee4i4 e.staVbs,'
meat of Fenitenti.try Hoiises'would be Itifisttpt,
trifling. He thatight it to be the greatest ypokkilr'
for this House to have given its thanks, and fordo •
City of London to have erected a 'manhunt to Mr.
Howard, and still allow every thistg to remain as it
*4s. 'Ferrol:of...death would 14rre bat lit*/ effect ill
the present lax state of the police 4 He .droptiestnad tllie
idewOf solitary imprisonment, which he costsidared
severer than any deith, and awicluded bib
0, That an humble Address be preiented to lip Dia.
jest); thit lie would be graciously pleased to. Aries
directions for.carrying into execution the 10th Act of
bli reign, 'relating to Penitentiary Houses, and for
the execution of the 3 6th of his reign, fur erecting the
urns," Sce.
Mt. Secretary R YDER. did not rise to oppgie..tb•
Motion ; there were many of the observations of Ids
Honourable' and I.e-arnerl'firiend In the Pieties:, 4
which he entirely concurred; but he must sat;that
with respect to the imprisonment in thelughs;mee,
he 474 s nriginally•averbe to it, be thought that,
to the able and skilful management of Mr. Cerahagio
that very questionable mode of punishment bas bees
turned into the most salditry that it was possible for
this or any other eottntry td establish:
Colonel VRANKI.A.ND thought that the House
and the Country were greqtly. insiebtell to his .110-
nourable and Learned Friend .(Hefri• fat woo*,
the present subject before them: He, at VW mom ;
time was of opinion, that in any alterations .?e
sitions to he made, they ought to bear in
the benefits of any instinitiow depended upset .604 .
manner in which its laws and regulations were tarried •
into effect.
Mr. WILIIERFOItCE passed a warn ifielOgium
.upon the system of Penitentiary Houses, and con-
trasted with them the ruinous depravity that prevailed
in the Colony of New South 'Wales ammo the C.
victs. With respect to Newgate, he spoke of it as a
disgrace, not only to the City of Linutedlo.blit to die
Kingdom at large, frf.;.•si thitatal facattiet it atfoilled
to younz any inelperieneed oft:Wert to verse inn an
*.livrtntrceship it/ profligacy, tinder the tuition.of the
most finished and consummate villains. He deplored
the dreadful conseqUences of such an abuse, in coin-
inen with every man who vtshed welt to the happi-
ness of Society. He concurred with the Right Ho-
nourable Secretary, in his opinion of the anwits of
Mr. Graham.
Mr. \VINDHAM said, thlt emit could be Ellie
doubt n 4 to what sort of moral dissleline as#Jse,,
easonlitilyeipecred from a roan colmy of
I If the necessary mirrare-conld sastralukfldimerel-

posed that Penitentiary Houma shonldbe.Sittlollllll.
They had been. established. There were numerous
Penitentiary Houses throughout the country. If Vie
error was solely in the Management, how weretber
sure that the erection of new Penitentiary Hoopes
would obviate such an objection I He, however, did
not object altogether to the Frinekle; but if such
Houses were established upon the plans proposed, he
shotld he very jealous at to the manner in which the
religious instruction %is inculcated I it might beim
done as to generate aloft of thlseldevogs ,Ea deism,
superithiucing hypocrisy upon theif &tag depra-
vity. This, however, Would be a subject ter after
consideration.
Sir WILLIAM MILKER thought the measure
of the Learned Gentleman would- not be ade4n-
tagenus to the colony. The Hen. llama,' stated. that
in the solitary house.; in Yorkthire the harder men
worked the.thore money they were entitled to, which
was retained for their use until the period of their
confinement expired, when it was paid to them. This
in his opinion, was a wise proceeding,. and tends&
greatly to reform the manners of the prtsoners.
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE , allowed that else
thants of the House were due to the Honourable
Gentleinan who brought the subject before it. and he
Was confident that by his exertions many hardships
under which unfortunate criminals now laboured
would be removed. He knew that in Ireland it would
be necessary to make some alteration in the resent
kite which regulited the practice of transportation.
becatise 'natty felons must have suffered the most se-
vere. injuries beyond what the law indicted, were it
not for the interference of the Lord Lieutenant, who,
wishing, to ameliorate their condition, consulted the
Judges on the subject;. and the opidlctit of those
Learned Sages the Law *ks, that the tom which
those unfortunate persons had passed it prima could
not be allowed out of the term of thew transports-
don, but must pass for nothing. In ccoonssseeqquence of
this opinion, the Lord Liebtenant establi
tentiary Houses, to which these unfortunate Frikeses
were removed ; every care was taker of them, both
as to religious instruction and to theircomforts. He
did not know whether any relief could be afforded to
Ireland in the Learned Gentleman's system; but
sure he was, if the Learned Gentleman would take
it into his consideration, he should think it would be
' a great benefit to Ireland.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY withdrew Wanda 4
for the present, and g ire notice of his bringing it for►
ward on the 25th instant.

ARMY EXTRAOkDINARR.S.

The House, in a Committee of Supply,
Mr. LONG moied. That a sum, not exceeding eke sem ef
,C 441,517 ltis. should be granted le Army Extraordiwies,Eine
December tone to December 11109.
After a short conversation between Mr. Titan sr, *fr. Loma,
Mr. Catca•rr, Admiral MAIIMIABIi M. Wat.Lasur Pout,
Mr. G. Rosa, Sir C. POLt, MT:WIARTOI, Mr. *31111140111111)!
Lord Patexasrowt, the Cuancettoa of the Excinteuala,Mr:
Louses old Sir Pacoima atettaareas, Modes to issgalPri as-
planations upon meaty of the item, doe Resolution Ws &shims.
tied ; when the How having resented, the Ibmport was ordered
to be received this day.
The Navy Estimates were postpone* till
Mr CHARLES PILE moved for an Account of the Mo;ties
received from the Army Prize Aiwa, and by she Deputy •
Treasurer of Chelsea Hospital, pursuant to the Act of the 40
ne Haase adjourned at half past oat.