Star.
London, England, 1828-05-31 00:00:00

LAW AND MOTT COMMISSIONS.

Mr. BROUGHAM wiihed to know whether the Commis-
sioners on these two subjects had made any Report on the matters
referred to them ? and if so, when those Reports would be laid
before the House? He presumed, that tf the R-;ores were com-
pleted, there would be no objection to laying cup:es of them before
Parliament.

Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that with respect to the inquiry into
the state of the Common Law, a Report bad been completed ; but
he disl not think the other was quite finished. lie believed the sig-
natures of the Commissioners had siqt, been attached to it, but if
they had, both Reports should be laid on the table of the House
directly. If both were not now completed, they would be at a
very early period, and in the course of a night or two should be
laid before the House.

Mr. HOME DRUMBIOND postponed the further considera.
tion of the Scotch Alehouse Licensing Bill to Wednesday next.
Mr. HUME moved to discharge the Order he had obtained for
certain Returns from the Prerogative Court of ezliterbury. He
made this motion in order that he might, on Friday heat, move
for a more complete Return.—Discharpd.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
On the motion of the CUMICELLOR of the &COMM, the Home
resolved itself into a Committee of Supply.
111 r. DAWSON moved that a sum not exceeding 140,0001. be
granted to his 'Majesty to complete the sum necessary to defray the
charges upon the Civil Contingencies for the year 1828.

HUME thought ti would be much better to take
every item contained in the vote separately. There
were many to which he strongly objectEd : he objected
Ito the'charge for the Cape of Good Hope C ,rtarmssion:
£50.000 had already been expend:-d upcn that Com-
mission, and he wished to know whether it was likely
that it would soon cease to exist? anJ also Whether it'
Report would be laid before the nousel.
The CHANCELLOR of the 14.15.Cflt.QI;ER was
not prepared to say whether the Reprt of the
Commissioners was of such a nature as to be fuliy laid
before that House, but he would make inquiries upon
the subject.
Mr. HUME contended that the whole of the Report
ought to be laid upon the table.
In reply to questions put by Mr. Hume,
Mr. DAWSON stated, that the Sierra Leone Com-
mission was no longer in existence, and that for the
West Indies would have to sit some time longer.
Sir J. NEWPORT concurred with the Hon. Mem-
ber for Aberdeen, in thinking that the whole of the
Commissioners' Report ought to be laid before the
House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had
been misunderstood. The only part of any Report
which the Government could 'wish to withhold would
be that which referred to quarrels between private
parties, and were not at all essential to the elucidation
of the point in question.

After.a few wor:ts from Mr. Goanox,
Mr. Secretary PEEL said lie did not see how there
could be any difference of opinion upon the subject.
Surely no Hon. Gentleman would contend that it was
desirable to give publicity to private quarrels ss hich bad
been healed, and might be renewed by a publication of
the circumstances, especially when a knowledge of those
quarrels would afford none of the information required.
Mr. BARING said that in Colonial questions personal
matters were often the principal part of thv case. The
Colonies were at present in a very dangerous stat; nd
required to be treated with kindness. Whether they
would be pacified by the crew Secretary he could not
pretend to say ; but certainly pacification did not vne-
t ally proceed from Gentlemen of his profession. Upper
Canada had sent in Petitions signed by nine or ten
thousand persons. The Petition from Lower Canada
was signed by eighty thousand persons. Abel the Cage
of Good Hope, in common with the Canadas, coinr
plained of, mal administration, In fact, all the peat
Colonies were complaining at the Bar, of that liouse of
the ill management of their affairs. He did not like
entrusting the Colonial Department With the power of
withholding any part of a Report of Consmissioners, and
'Loped that the entice Report would in all cases,
without some very strong reasons were given for a con-
trary course, be laid before the House.

In reply to some ohaervations made by Mr. Hume,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that ore
Commissions were anointed respecting the Treaty of Giieut.
had finished its labours, and the others would soon do so.
Mr. HUME wished for some information respecting the LOGO'
and Madrid Commission.

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TLe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, :hat it was
iike'y lo AS some time longer. .
Mr. H11).1C objected to the item for presents made to Fore ga
Ministers. There was £l,OOO to the Chancery of Alexic, ; but as
the laws (lithe New States of America forbad the Minister' cf these
countries receiving any presents, he could not believe that the sate
had been paid. He wished to know from the Right Hunconaoie
Gentlenau what the law of 3lexico was.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he could
not speak as to the law of Mexico, but as to the fact of the pay"
meat of the sum charged he could speak. At the conclu'ian o. the
Treaty 1,0001. were presented to the Minister of this counrrl, arid;
as was usual, a similar present had been made to the Ciancay
al
Mexico.
Air. 1-11:31E said, what he desired Was, that these ezismies
should be put an end to. There Wai tine item which he woned to
have explained. It was the charge of £1,29.9 for robes lar me
Emperor of liusia and badger for Waternieu.
31r. DA W SON' said the liens included Indy ftiO for waurti.cals
badges. The oth,r part of the charge was nu mote than usual.
In answer to another question from Mr. Huns,
Mr. DAWSON said, it wa, not the intentiutt of Coser.imert
defray the expenses incident to tb, creation of Peers which
took place from among the Diplusnatn: 13ody.
The Resolution waa agreed to.
For the Salaries of the Officers of the I louses of Lords and
Commons it:9.006
preMsern.tlyieUArAtlhEinwiinshtehiel to
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Mr. DAWSON said there WAS a balance in hand last year,
rendered it necessary to call only fur I‘2l ,UUO. Ine UaLulce, haVo
ever, was now all expended.
Mr. HU ME thought the items should be given in detail.
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years. There could be no objection to their being produced again.
Mr. lIIABERLY said it was expedient that these Estimates
should be referred to a Committee every year.. .
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there were
regular annual charges arising from a fixed amount of salary to the
Chairman of Committees, Clerks, and other Officers. There could
be no difficulty in producing the details, if required.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said if the salaries were fixed, he did
not st•e how the amount of charge could vary, or how there could
be a hilance in hand.
INIr. DA WSON said the charge must necessarily vary in some
degree, as it depended in some measure on the number of Corn.
notteei, and the number of days on which the House sat in each
Srsrinn.
Mr. H. GRATTAN objected to an item of £6OO to Major
I` ravel. Superintendant of Police in Ireland. He was connected its
;1;, leparament with another individual, who was now suspended,
acti hail left Ireland, after having, as it was supposed, purloined
urieoes of £40,000.
De CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he was not
acquainted with the circumstances of the case to which the Hon.
'Member referred. He never heard that Major Puwel was a defal-
tr. He understood that he trusted to a person who acted tinder
a .1, and the objection to his conduct was, that, in this respect, be
_ not use sufficient precaution. The charge made against him by
Hon. Member was of a very serious nature, and one to which
;:ie Irish Government gave no credit.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said it was quite certain that one of
:I), parties had left the country. It was too much, under such cir-
ozonsranees, to he called upon to vote 6001.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this 6001.
was tor travelling expenses incurred last year.
Sir J. NEWPORT said be believed this Officer neglected his
duty, anal did not visit the Counties where be should have gone.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was in
Inland last year, and knew from personal observation that the case
vas not as represented by the Right Hon. Baronet.
Nr. J. GRATFAN said the police expenditure in Ireland
to be looked into by the Government. Great abuses took
e.,:e in the county of Wexford. •
Mr. BUTLER said, that abuses certainly did take place, as his
Pon. Colleague could attest.—The Resolution was agreed to.
For the Expenses of the Houses of Lords and Commons,l6,oool.
To make good the deficiencies of the Fee Funds, for defraying
the charges of the Treasury, Colonial Office, &c. Ste. 98,4131.
Mr. HUME complained that the charge in the Treasury De-
portment was now til,oool. while in 1797 it was no more than
4-2,t00/.
Mr. DAWSON said, the difference arose in a great measure from
the fees payable on every new appointment of Lords of the Treat
sury, which of late bad oeen rather too frequent.
Mr. HUME said, such charges were absurd. He hoped they
would be got rid of. The sum charged for the Colonial Office was
59,0004 This included a suns or 1,0001. for the salary of Mr. James
S:rphen, as Colonial Counsel. ' lie considered the appointment of
this Gentleman an unfortunate tbie, considering the relative situa-
two in which be stood bo,h to the Colonies, and to an individual
(Mr. Stephen, the blaiter in Chancery), who was well known to
tateriain certain opinions on the subject of Avery. If report was
tour credited. Mr..lames Stephen was the person who drew up
tine :Jr:uos letter addressed by Mr. Huskitson to the Colonies.—
This at least was the opinion of the Colonies, and some attention
ow cue to their ifee!ings.
The CHANCELLOR of the•EXCHEQUER said be had for'
tars titre opportunities of observing the conduct of Mr. Stephen
C un'el for the Colonies, and he never could observe, in the dis-
charge of his duties, the least tinge of the opinions imputed to hiresl
He cuuducted the business entrusted to him with the most perfect
Immo and Impartiality. His being the son of a person known to
eraertam certain opinions bearing upon colonial, interests, was no
reason why he should he considered unfit for the office.
Mr. GORDON said the Colonies were greatly dissatisfied at the
&nation Ord by this Gentleman. There certainly was an extra-
ordinary coincidence between various passages in Mr. Huskisson's
later, aid in some of the publications of • Mr. Stephen's relative.
Tito excited a strong sensation in the Colonies. They did not wish
ha, to be entirely deprived of office. They rattan wished him to
be promoted.
Mr. BRIGHT thought it would be
.advisable to remove Mr.
kephen to some volley situation. •
Mr. HUME said be objected to the principle of appointing what
wee called Colonial Agents. The Colonial Office, which now cat
ant 40,0001. in 1797 cost only 9,0001.
The Resolution was agreed to.
For the Contingent Expenses of Messergere, Sec. . £77,9•28
For Compensation to the Commissioners appointed to
inspire into the Revenue of Scotland and Ireland
In answer to a question from Mr. Hums,
Mr. DAWSON said the labours of the Commissioners bad not
lytt ceased. They were now occupied in the Post Office Depart-
ment, and the Report would be soon ready.
lit. HUME said the authority of the Consultation could no
longer mitt ut.der the Act, as the time bad expired.
Mr. HERRIES said, their powers were ccuitinued ander the
auttionty of the Crown.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT regretted that the Commission did not
lepton sooner on the Post Office. Had Government accepted the
der of the Liverpool Steam Packet Company for conveying the
nails gratis, it would have been a saving to the public of 16,0001. a
Trart It appeared to him that the Company had been badly
ark with. •
Mr. HUME wished to know when they were to expect the Re-
pot of the Commission on Scotch and Irish Stamps. There was
touching extraordinary in the delay.
Mr. HERRIES said there was no ground of charge against the
Contnission. Hitherto theirßeporrs were received with the greatest
(-mar by the House. The Hon. Gentleman seemed to insinuate
that the Report was withheld with a view to screen certain indi-
viduals in Scotland. He firmly believed there was no such motive.
There were sonic circumstances which required re-investigation,
arid he supposed that caused the delay.
Ur. Hll it E said he did not mean to insinuate that the Report
was delayed from personal considerations towards any individuate.
He complained of the delay, because it prevented him from bring-
ing the subject of the Stamps before the House.
Mr. HERRIES said, he thought himself called upon to express
kit disbelief of any improper motive In the delay of the Report.
ilr. J. WOOD said, the Liverpool Packet Company gave gene.
mititisfaction. Had their offer been accepted it would have saved
lemedea year to the public.
Mr. DAWSON was ready to bear testimony to the merits of the
Compeny. It was a regulation of the Post-office that no private
easels should be employed in conveying mails, and that was the
neon why the offer of the Company was refused.—Perhaps the
Youtiffice also considered that if it was accepted the charge might
after! It appeared to him that the public was a gainer by
convention between theCornpany and the Government packets.
Sr J. NEWPORT said the reasoning of the Hen. Gentleman
Id apply eqsally to the establishmeut of Government mail
hes. The regulation alluded to was not always acted upon,
Jr the Post-office, daring tome time, allowed a bye-bag to be con-
ed by a private steam-boat. The Government packets were
ail intents and purposes a competition in trade, on the part of
hwerument.
Hr. HERRIES said he believed the Comerissioners had di-
ed their attention to this subject. He begged now to state what
was not aware of a while ago, that the Report on the Stamps
already printed, and on the table.
Mr. BARING saw no reason why the conveyance of the mails
old nut be entrusted to respectable companies. There could be
eunipetition where Government was concerned. They must
Pat down all 'Com/activate, becaillee they had no occasion to
merest on a calculation of profits.
Afrera few words from Mr. BRIGNT, the Crum:moo of the Ex-
rilnesa, sail Mr. P. Tummy, the Resolution was agreed to.
per the Salaries of the Officers, and other expenses of the Court
Exchequer, A 74000.
Fur Salaries to certain Professors of Cambridge and Oxford, for
• Public Lectures, 1958.
,11r. HUME hoped Ministers would not forget the London
xisereity.
Aa Hon. Mincint—Nor the University of Aberdeen.
!e. HUME—Aberdeen bad a grant already.
The Resolution was agreed to.
For the Salaries of the C -
btore Court, 413,669.
Alderman WA ITH MAN thought this expense quite useless.
le whole of the dividends paid into the Court did not amount to
fatthon la the pound.
Ilr• HUME *sled to submit to the Right Hon. Gentleman
it' Secretary Peel) whether this charge might not be got rid of by
43: away altogether with the imprisonment of the person for debt.
I,lrt Secretary PEEL said, if the Coma)? Courts Bill passed into
wi an opportunity would be then giiren of trying on a limited
e the effect produced by this change of the law.
141- HUME saw no reason why the amount of debt should make
Y cheap in the principle. Why allow persons to be arrested for
Tay more than for £10?
•Secretary PEEL said the County Courts Bill would not
ere 'mom% front liability to arrest for debts under £lO. It
141‘ii however, held out a remedy for the recovery of such debts,
from its cheapness, be trusted would be frequently resorted
ad thus render arrest of the peillau unnecelary.
Ice answer to an observation from Sir J. Norma,

. ,e 6,500

and Clerks of the Insolvent

. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the County Courts would have no
power of committing to prison.

After a few words froin Mr. Alderman Warramatt,. the Resolu-
tion was agreed to.
For Salaries and Superannuation in the Alien Office, 4,7001.
Mr. BA RING said, there was one superannuation of 6001.
which appeared exorbitant. It was that of the Chief Clerk.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the superannuation took place in
181; after a period of service, during which the duties were much
heavier than now. During the war, the Chief Clerk had the super-
Intendance of Aliens. Now the business was mostly confined to
registration.
Mr. BA RING said, there was also a senior Clerk, with a superan-
nuation of 6301. He was a Geneveze, and now resided i■ Geneva,
where he kept his carriage, and lived in splendour upon his retired
allowance. He trusted the Finance Committee would introduce
some alteration in the present system of granting superannuation..
It had entailed great expenses on the country.
Mr. HUME said, that a list should be made out of all persons
superannuated, who ought to be called into actual employment as
vacancies occurred.

Mr. AldermariWAITHMAN nid, the expen.ie of superannua.
don might be avoided, if all persons in Government Offices were
compelled to insure their lives.
The Resolution was agreed to.
To defray the charge of Retires Allowances to per-
sons employed in the Public Service . . . . 0915,497
Mr. MA BERLY said he saw a charge of 310:. for an individual
who formerly held a situation in the Scotch Linen Board. He did
not know what authority there was for this.
Mr DAWSON said, when the Scotch Linen Board was abo-
lished compensation was given to the Officers, of whom this indi-
vidual was one.

Mr. MA BERLY wished to know the authority for doing so?
This appeared to hint to be a Scotch job.
Mr. DAWSON said the compensation was grounded on an Act
of the Legislature.

Mr. HUME thought this charge ought to be got rid of.
Mr, HERRIES said, when the Linen Board was abolished, it
was considered that those who held offices were entitled to sonic
compensation.—The Resolution was agreed to.
On the Resolution for granting 14,3401. for the Relief of Do-
mingo Sufferers, Dutch Officers, and others, who prayed the con-
tinued bounty of his Majesty for the year 1828,
Mr. HUME said he would not object to the vote, because he
understood that no further grant was to be called for.

The Resolution for granting 2,500/. for the use of the National
Vaccine Establiihment was agreed to.
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On the Re.olution that the-sunt of 3,0001. should be granted for
the Refuge of the Destitute,

Alderman WA ITH MA iv said he would not object to the vote,
but was of opinion that the benefits of the Institution might be con-
siderably extended for the same sum of money.
Jr. HUME concurred with the Hon. Alderman, but would
not object to the vote.

Sir T. BARING supported the grant, and expressed himself to
be fully apprised of the very great value of the Institution.
Mr. W. PEEL said, he could assure the Committee that the
Institution was managed with the strictest economy,. •
The suns of 24,000 for the American Loyalists was agreed to.
On the Resolution that .€3,6(6 101. be granted for supporting
Criminal Lunatics
Mr. H U M E wished to know how. many persons were maintained
for that sum ?

Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he could not exactly tell the expen-
diture for each individual; but there were at present forty-ive
melee and ten females supported in confinement. The sum of
£2OO was given as remuneration to the establishment•keepers and
others, repairs and other expenses amounted to Above £2,000.-

Mr. HUME—Admitting all that, the expense' Would .be abissit
290 a-head, while in Scotland it was isot more than 218.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
On the Resolution that 25,912 7s. be granted for Dissenting
Ministers and French Protestant Refugees, Clergy, and Laity,
Mr. HUME objected that Pensions should be still continued to
the French Protestant Laity.

Mr. HERR lES said, that although there was no diminution lot
year, yet it was to be expected that the lives would die off, and dolt
no new pensions would be added to the list.
The Resolution was then agreed to. •
On the Resolution that the sum of X 49,000 be granted for
Foreign and other Secret Services fur the year ism
Mr. Mdertian WAITH MAN objected to the grant, beau*
the nature of the services to be rewarded was nor-and could not,
perhaps be made known. At all events, he was quite sure that the
grant might be considerably diminished.

Mr. DAWSON. obser)ed that a considerable reduction had
taken place since 181. Tii. amount of Secret Sirvice Money was
then above 100,0001. and now it was not one half that amount.
Mr. HUME—Yes; but In the former peace, the Secret Service
was only 10.0001. a year, and in 18E4 only 38,0001. wh.lreas now it
was nearly 50,0001. He wished to know what the "other" Secret
Service meant—or if any portion of it were applied to the Home
Service? A general election he knew might certainly require some
portion of.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that every farthiog of it must be ex-
pended for preventing treasonable and dangerous conspiracies, and
was accounted for upon oa:h. 'The sum applied to the Home ser-
vice last year was only 1,0001.
Mr. BARING asked, if this vote were to cover Pensions within
the year, or fanner Pensions?

Mr. PEEL replied that they were for various past services,
particularly those in 181 ii.

After a few words in explanation from Mr. BARING, the grant
was agreed to.

On the grant of 80,0001. for printing the Acts of Parliament being
propsed, hlr. Hume suggested that a great saving of paper might
be effected by printing both them and the votes of the House in
octavo, instead of foliage/itch form occasioned a waste of at least
one-third of the weight on3aper.—rae grant was then agreed to.
£5,7.50 was then granted for priming, under the direction of the
Commissioners of Public
Grants of 95,650'. for statioret .I.r;.nting, and binding in the.*
ferent public departments ; of t; s sal. for extraordinary expenses
for prosecutions relating to the c.Miage ; of 6,5601. for the fittings
and furniture of the two Houses of Parliament, and of 15,0001. for
law charges, were then agreed tr,.
A grant of 106,9581. was then proposed to defray the expense of
maintaining convicts at home and at Bermuda.

Mr. HUME thoug:it -that it would be better for the
country if every man sentenced to the hulks were at
once sent out of the country. They were returned horn
the hulks much worse members of society than they
went to them.

Mr. PEEL said, that the number of convicts capable
of being received by New South Wales was limited by
nemerous circumstance,. In the first place, it was
necessary to preserve a due proportion between the male
and female popularicn ; and in the next, the character
of the place had altered from that of. a penal settle.
ment to a colony; so that it became a question of
how far the sending of criminals there operated as a
punishment. There were, besides, various periods for
which convicts were transported, and unless all were
transported for lile, the Honourable Member's object
of keeping all bad characters out of the country would
not be attained. The Hon. Member must besides remem-
ber, that those convicts that were kept at home were em-
ployed upon public works, and this caused a great saving
of expense, besides the moral improvement they them-
selves experienced from contracting habits of industry,
which were encouraged by t heir being allowed three half-
pence a day out of their earnings. The expense of main-
taining the convicts at home, reckoning their labour, was
not so great as that which would be incurred by send-
ing them to adistant colony. It appeared by documents he
held in his hand, that out of 4,263 convicts, 233 were
last year sick. Of these 166 died. The total expense was
75,8101. and the estimated value of their labobr was
73,0001. snaking a total expense, after the deduction of
their labour, of 2.8104 per annum ; that is, of each
convict no snore than 12s. a year. The expense of
transporting this number, of convicts would be much
greater, and after all would not give them so good a
chance of reformation as the hard labour they were
subject to in this country. If it were possible to pro-
vide the convicts with general labour on land in this
country, consistently with their security, he should be
against, transportation to New South Wales altogether ;
but as that was not possible, he thought it best that the
two punishments of transportation and of punishment
'by hard labour on board the hulks should be preserved..
Mr. BENETT did not think the convicts of much
use in this country, and if they were transported, he con-
ceived that it would be Well that they should not be
emancipated before the expiry of their time.
Sir G. COCKBURN said that the Hoa. Member for

Wiltshire laboured ander a great mists%e snpppsing
the convicts were of no use in this country. They haff
been of the utmost advantage 'in Our Docks) particularly-
in those at Sheerness. ,i 1
Mr. BENETT explained. Nothing could be worse
or more expensive than the present system of managing
the convicts. They were generally discharged from
the hulks at the end of two years upon a sentence of
seven years transportation. In his opinion it would be
much more beneficial to the country to send them to
different Colonies.

Lord F. LEVISON GOWER wshed to say one word
upon this question.. From the little experience he bad
had, he was fully impressed with the conviction that
there could not be worse policy for the country to pur-
sue with reference to New South Wales, than to carry
into execution sentences of seven years' transportation—
(Hear). This country could not make a worse present
to that Colony than a London pickpocket.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, it was a mistake to sup-
pose that convicts were discharged from the hulks at
the end of two years. At the expiration of three years
and a half, liberty was given to the Supetintendent to,
recommend to the Secretary of State to be discharged,
such convicts as had pursued an industrious and ex-
emplary life. This extended, however, only to ten in every
hundred, and it was deemed a reasonable license,and cal-
culated as an inducement to good behaviour. With
reference to Mr. Benett's proposal to transport the
convicts to different colonies and different climes, surely
the Hon. Gentleman did not consider the enormous ex-
penie of such a system. In every colony to which con-
victs were sent, it would be necessary to have an estab-
lishment to receive them, with officers to superintend.
It might be a question how far it would be advisable to
have another penal colony; but, with regard to New
South Wales, it should be remembered, that before the
convicts were sent out there in sufficient number for the
purposes of the colony, the expense attendant on sending
provisions, kc. there, was very great.

The grant was then agreed to.
On the question that 30,0001. be granted for bills drawn by his
Majesty's Governors, for expenses attendant upon the abolition of
the Slave Trade. I

• Mr. HUME objected to the grant, until he knew the number
of the Slaves who were provided for.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was understood
to say he could not give the information required.

The vote was agreed to.
The proposition that 18,0001. be granted for salaries, &e. under
Treacles with Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands, for the aboli-
tion of the Slave Trade, was agreed to.

It was then pot, that 40,0001. be granted to defray the expense
of Missions and Commissions to the New States of South America.

Dlr. HUME wished to know how those 40,0004 were expended

Mr. DAWSON said that the vote was made in the most econo-
mical manner. The expense of the Mission to Mexico was 10,5e..:1.
to Buenos Ayres 10,0004 to Colombia 7,0001.
After a few words from Mr. Hums and the Cuswcatuta of the
&manias,

Mr. BRIGHT thought that this vote should be postponed until
further information was afforded on the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explalned.—:The
vote was in confornrity to the fornier resolution of that House.
Mr. Alderman. WAITIIMAN .designated this vote as a gross
job.. It ought to be postponed.

Mr. BARING saidtif we wicked to have a due protection to our
commerce in South America, we must go to a props e::p.:nse to
obtain it. This was a vote for an expense incurred, hut i.e under-
stood that a reduction was making in the expense of the Consulates.

Mr. PLANTA observed, that it had been deemed necebsary to
to send out these missions to South America, but, he could :•car
testimony to the anxiety of the Foreign Office to reduce tlle expen_
diture to the lowest limit, and that reduction was gradually going on

Mr. HUME moved that this vote be postponed until the returns
he had spoken of should be produced.
Mr. ROBINSON thought it rather hard, after his Majesty's
Ministers had agreed to abolish the fees of Consuls, which operated
very much against use commercial and shipping interests, that they
should now be blamed fur conceding that point. Ile would not
say what the precise amount paid to the Consuls .should be, but he
thought it was by no means extravagant. As fur its being a job, as
the' Hon. Alderman (Mr. Waitkman) had designated it, be (Mr.
Robinson) said the term was never worse applied.
Mr. BERNAL thought that the charge war too heavy.
. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would lay the
NKr on the table as soon as possible ; but as the parties in South
America were drawing for their salaries, it would be very incon •
Ivenient to stop the supply at that period. lie promised to give the
subject his very best and 'strictest attention. Lord Dudley was
equally anxious on the subject, and had In one case reduced ore
salary 1,0001. a year, and another 500!. a year, and it farther reduc-
tions could ►e 'wide tbey would.
Mr. BARING thought, that it would be much better if some
respectable and responsible merchant residing on the spot were ap
pointed to do the duty of Consul
. After a few words from the•CuawclLLOß of the Emil:Quilt and
Mr. PORTMAN, Mr. HUMZ withdrew his opposition, as it might ap-
pear unfriendly to the New States —The vote was then agreed to.
On the proposition that 97,8701. be granted for salaries to'Con-
suls General, Consuls, and retired Consuls for the year 1 sits,
Mr. BARING said, that when a Minister wa, employed be could
not see the necessity of having Consuls; but if they were neces-
sary, they should, as be had before observed, be resident Ukiah
met chants.

Mr. HUME complained of the exaction of Consuls on half pay
officers, who were compelkd to pay three•fourths cols dollar per
cent. commission.

The grant was then agreed to.
It was then proposed that the sum of 120,0001. be granted for
bills drawn from Sew South Wales during the year Mk
blr. HUME objected to any grant to this Colony beyond that
, necessary for military protection. The Colony ought to pay foe
itself, except for such convicts as were sent out trom England. He
wished to know what this grant was for ?
Mr. DAWSON said, that the Returns were not yet ready.
Mr. 'HUME said, that if the drawers of the bills at New .14outh
Wales would not send an account of what such bill was drawn for,
the bill ought to be protested. It was no wonder that we were
bankrupt—(a laugh), when our affairs were managed in this way.
Mr. Alderman W AITH MAN complained of the system that had
hitherto prevailed, and, as he had no confidence in the stability of
the Government, he set little valve on the promises it might make.

The vote was then agreed to.
After a short conversation between the Cssauctst.os of the
Excntuuss and Mr. Hums, a sum of X 3,040 was voted for the
Civil Establishment of the Bahama Islands.

at 10,445 for the Civil Establishment at Nova Scotia for 1228.
Upon this vote.
Mr. BARING would not raise any objection, but he thought
the system of the Colonies ought to undergo a review.
Mr. Secretary PEEL concurred in this. It would properly
come under the consideration of the Finance Committee, and re-
ductions in it should be made deliberately, systematically, and upon
due notice. Here there was nothing that could be called a job---
no undue patronage whatever.
Mr. MABERLY thought 'the explanation of the Right Hon.
Gentleman highly satisfactory.
Mr. Secretary PEEL bad reason to understand, that Nova
Scotia would ultimately be able to pay its own expenses; and when,
in requiring the Colonies generally to do that, they had reason on
their side, and proceeded fairly, and without precipitation there
'could he no doubt they would succeed.—The vote was agreed to.
,e 3,600 for the Civil Establishment of New Brunswick for 1828.
Agreed to.
ae4,000 for the same in Bermuda._

£2,820 for the same in Prince Edward's Island.
JE25,81 8 for Newfoundland.—All agreed to.
ne following votes were also agreed t0—X11,624 ls. Bd. for the
Civil Establishment at Sierra Leone, for 1828—X4,000 on account
of the Civil and Military Establishment on the Gold Coast-
-62,442 10n. to defray the expense of certain Colonial Services
formerly paid out of the extraordinaries of the Army ; and .647,500
for stores in the Engineer Department at New South Wales, and
for the maintenance and clothing of the convicts in that colony.
The grant et 7,0001. for the erection of a Pier at Hags Point,
for the accommodation of packets frog Milford listen to Water-
ford, was then agreed to.
Sir A. GRANT then reported progress, and the Committee
obtained leave is sit again, The Report to be brought up on
Monday.
The Sale of Paine Bill was read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Friday.
The 'other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
How adjousoed at a Qoaarea-raor Twauva fI'CLOCIE.