Star.
London, England, 1817-07-12 00:00:00

BANK WOTFIL

Mr. GRENFELL said, it was his intention this
day to have addressed a few words to the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, but he had understood since he
had come into the House, that the Right Honour-
able Gentleman would not be present that day. He
wished to say s few words on a subject that had of
late very much engaged the attention of the House,
namely, the Paper Currency of the Country. He
was not inclined to pronounce at present any opinion
whether general good or evil had resulted from the
system, though no doubt could be entertained that
it bad even the people of this country a use for
papeneurrencrin preference to specie, though they
sestainediannsolerable loss tbrougt the immense pro.
&a gained:by the Sank. He was desirous that the
peblig abefaid base a greater participation in these
proSts,caesd his object in speaking once again upon
the-subjece was, in the hope that the Government
would. be induced to consider, during the recess,
whet. practical means could be adopted to give to
the public a just participation in those profits which
had hitherto- been monopolised by individuals and
private Bankers.

• AIM DAY.
• Mr. BE SETT rose for the purpose of presenting
a Petition which had been sent to him, and he as-
ssweskebstHouse, it was with very considerable re-
Ma ewe resentedit, as well from the. nature of
thitlielitiegreself) as from the circumstance that the
tineftswerbielrbe dlisu, would preclude the Learned
tomaimeamstwhom it was, from giving any answer
to tbiciturges tt sontained, for a very considerable
time. The Petition was from a Mr. Maurice O'Con.
nor, a Magistrate in the County of Kerry, in which
he charged -a
Judge on the Irish Bench (Mr. Justice;
Day) with gross partiality in the administration of
Justice. The circumstances stated by the Petitioner
were, that hisaon, a youth of about eighteen years
of age, had been killed in a duel with a Gentleman
(we did not hear his name) ; that shortly after, Mr.
Justice Day wished to bites this man, when taken,
admitted to bail ; that afterwards on the trial he
made a most partial charge to the Jury, the come-
queues of which was, that the person had been ac-
quitted, and though he had tooght five duels before,
that he suffered him to gofrons the bar, without bind-
Ing.hins to keep the peace; and the conseqUence was,
as 5060 'es he was at liberty, be sent a challenge to
thelesitbes of thi person he bad Peti-
tioner imputed tills pattialit7 on the part of blr.lus.
. •

Mr. LAMB, on rising to move fur a new Writ fee
the county of Wicklow, in the room of the late Mr.
Pensotiby, began by saying, that to make a motion
for proceedings to supply the place which was vacant
through the great loss the House and the country
had sustained by the death of that lamented Gentle-
man, would be as unjust to the eminence cf Lim
whom they had lost, as it would be unada,:f:d to the
peculiar circumstances of that calamity which had
taken him .away from them so suddenly. Some t
bute was due to the memory of eke dead ; but as far
as he could collect, not less was required on such an
occasion for the satisfaction of the feelings of the
living. He did not mean those only who were con-
nected with hilts; but in the much larger sense of
general respect,—a respect not peculiar to the Mem-
bers of that House, but to a great proportion of the
community at large. Not on any former occasion,
frequent and mournful as those occurrences had been,
did he remember to have witnessed more evident tes-
timonies of attachment, more sincere and heartfelt
sorrow. It was not his intention to go into any de-
tailfot his life, so great a proportion of which had
been passed in the public service. It was well known
that he was greatly distinguished in the Irish Parlia-
ment, and had been pre-eminently so at the Irish
Bar; that in the year ISO 6 he was called to fill thel
highest situation in 'bat country, and he had filledit
witlizhe highest approbation, insomuch-that iiheti'
pelitical feeling ran high, and the passions of peranns,
of differeot opinions were naturally strong, he never
recalected to have heard that that appointment wa,.
viewed with dissatisfaction ; and when he retired
from his arduous and important duties, he was re•
turned to that House, where he had ever since conti-
nued a salmis and indefatigable servant of the pub-
lic. That situation he had filled in times of great
difficulty—times which had exhibited every various
aspect—times which were fruitful in events of the
utmost magnitude and importance; and he believed
he might call on his political adversaries as well as
his friend' to acknowledge with what discretion hie
had conducted himself. With an ardent zeal for the
liberties of the- people, be possessed a full knowledge Of
the British Constitution, and shewed a sincere solicit*
tion to give, on every occasion, the best counsels in his
power. The manliness of his character was shown in
the simplicity of his eloquence, which was animated
"without ostentation, and proved that he was only de-
sirous to press on the consideration of the House
what he thought important and deserving of their at-
tendon; thus expressing the soundness of his princi-
ples, and the sincerity of his purposes. Such con-
duct gained for him a well-founded popularity and
generous confidence, which were often denied to more
studied eloquence. He was sure it would be seen
this night that he had not taken too high a view of
his character, and that in the various biasses that
affect the minds of men, those differences of feelings,
Passions, and principles, had never led them to dit.
tesences that could not be compromised. It was not
unusual for Mr. Ponsonby to disagree on some °cc:is'
'jou with those who loved and respected him ; but
he believed he might say, that not one of them dis-

rented from him without doing the most ample jus-
tice to the motives by which he was Actuated. These
few observations he had theuele it necessary to make,
more from a disposition to express his own feelings,
than from any idea of being able to do justice to the
eminent character of that departed Gentleman. The •
man they had lost was an honour t' the finely fro.n ,
whom he sprung, and to the country that gave him
' birth, fruitful as that country was in talents and ge-
nius. He would say, that he was lost at a period
when the temper and qualities he possessed might
have been of the greatest benefit to the public.—e In
rebus arctissimis Respuld cm estinctus." But the
melancholy event was greatly embittered by the cir-
cumstances under which it occurred. He appeared
in full vigour, and as one likely to retai.i complete
possession of his faculties for years to come In this
gate, however, he was struck by e.e hand of deed!,
and he never rose from the couch to ishith he was
conveyed from that FINIS-. The Honourable L.:en.
dernan (evidently deeply affected a. lie was at >eve-
ral intervals of his speech) cencluded with saying—
" To us the calamity is awfwl, and we shad net take
the worst means of prefiting by it, if we seek to imi-
tate the purity of !undies and the innocence of life
of him who has so suddenly been inatchedtrom us."
He then movief that the epeaker be directed to issue . •
, US' warrant kr a nee writ fur a Member to serve in
• .Pirliarneut, in the idditl:e the kitht•HOil. George •
‘• Qnumbt, deceaserioe.te • •
..
" *Lord'CASTLIF.RIAOii, on the part of himsdi •
his friend's; eleciliWtte fele not less co-::.airlan warmly the juttice.of tite tribute that hies lie!ie ' •
paid to the memoey of. the distinguished Member -f .• -
whom they had been deprived, than any el those teen
head it on the•oppocite side; and lie was stare he
spoke only the feelings of every man in the House. . .
when be declared they felt die deeeest sense of t':: - ••.•
loss they had sustained.. lie wes•suie that all nett:: 7• -
unite ita admitting tee,e respect for. the tralividu..). ....'•:- .
character and general course of-conJuca 0: the late . -."
Right Hon. Gentlemae, He felt his tee:et Llet
stronerr from its liavieg been Ills late to he epposest ''.3'..•7
- ••••••
to him, not only in ;lie politics asf this cotintry, but in
thcem of Ireland. [The Noble Lerel -was evident:f .* ' "'
affected during his eidbetibret.) • 'e .
Sir M. W. RILILEY 'would only is. y's f are weirea • •• •
4,,6• express how deeeriethe felt the justice of -tee Whet.: '' '-'t
s
of his lionocekble'relend near hitn, and the Nobie: • .i.
. Lord opposite, inAnciF,,inint testimanv to the uptight. • . 1 •
bore of chateAcjci...o. the distinguished Getitleteeit
e•
,they had lost. , Such a testireoey to I•is mtutrity wens . . . ..
. the best conscitatioh his hien& could have, it was
the universal opinion entertained of hint; ae:d they
' would feel that the death of an eminent leader in that
~ • e
House was as deeply appreciated as 'the keelantry •
!and honeur of a l'enatinh), who tell its batten ,
7 IMAM 1111.01:i HALiiii.:ca. •
On the motion for resuir;Wg theett.;oiened Dehate
on a Grant of telo,tead for cari)ing un the impros c-
mem of this Harbour.
Mi. GORDON opposed the Crimson accobet of
its being brought forward at the end of a Ses,ien.
atter the labours of a C..mnsettve et Supply had ter-
minated ; and he hoped some owateire would he
ptoposed that no grant should brarade at such a
Iperiod, except for purposes purely pat itaineetar y.
Mr. I.USHINGTON defended the Graet, and
spoted satious eases where sums had been v, ted by
. Address, after the-Commit re or Supply had ciessd,
stoat as !or the improvensvnt of Chatham Lines, Et..
lie also delended.the object to which the money was
Co be applied.
Mr. CALCRAFT supported the Cram, but ci;-
jected to the pelsod at %tech it was piepe.rd. '
The qualm' was then out and carried.
STATE PnNONErts.

Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose to present a pe-
tition from J •lin Knight, the person who had 1,0 a
confined in Reading Jati on suspicion of treason, ..,1;,1
who bad just been tt moved to Salisbury. He Lad
great reason to believe that Government had no
tention to bring any of those persons to trial. .'l!,.t
'Petitioner bad been confined in a solitary mann, r
seventeen weeks at Reading, and I.e wls !now lc-
moved to another prison. it had betn n...1..1 tor
feigners to pray to Ise naturalized in th:s
but bete was an instance of an EnglisLnian
40 be denaturalized' and.sent to snort er Lon airy.
hoped we should hear that if rnen in hii sittimina
were not intended to be brought to trial, they svdald
be speedily ttleased, for it was c;•;ite repugnant to
the principles of the Cotisritutinit, that persons should
be so confined without any chance of Lein); brought
to trial at all.--The Petition was then 1..4:4 and or-
dered to lie ou the table.

MAI MISE orFir.ras.
General HART, alluding to teat tin returns abn'it
the levying of tines in Ireland, for illicit d•..tillation,
expressed Lis intention of bringing the snliject helots:
the House early in the next Ses6,n. If.: spolc
the improper conduct 'of. many of the Olicert, sv!:o
having collected sums of money, by me.it.s of roll
,opprtssion, and being under no sermil, there „,,
rto means of getting iv or bringing them to acreuu:..
The Hon. Gentlent"..concluded with gividg mg! e
Of a motion on the subject for the next Sr4m, n.
Mr. DALY moved to discharge his n.:tice
to the order upon Irish Corporations to 'initial,
of Freemen entered upon Stamps.
Mr. BLAKE stated that the order was 0bt3%,..:4
by him with a view of facilitating the i.,hj!et!! ?t,
Honourable and Learned Gentleman. who i"!tr&d
to bring in a Bill next Session, to prevert Freerne.,
from qualifying during the Pull, and :0 sti: w, that
by their being obliged to take out their treedwos be-
fore they came to the Poll, they would thereby
comply with the terms ut the Stamp Act, which were
new totally evaded; but he closented to hia order
being discharged, as he found that an order beirg
obtained this Sessiourcould not be used far any pur-
pbiein the next. •
• On the Aims being brought up, containing cc.
coams of the disposal v. books eieliC to tie I.7Luvrrsi-

*sunder the Copyright Act, arra it beirig moved
and agreed to that they be printed. , •
Alt I3ANKES observed. that the object of the
motion was to know hdw the books had been dispo-
sed 4.1 but only four .tenants bad arrived out of
rine : Iron, the British Museum, Sion Coll.ge, and
the Glasgow and Dublin Universities; and it als-
peate.: that in no one insrance whatever had such
boas but sold. but all had been deposited in the
libraries. He should theret• re wove that the order
for printing these papers be discharge-4 in order to
save the exoen-e, particularly as the returns were.
incomplete.
Tire sPLAKLR suggested, that rl it were t-'e
•pleasurt a 4 the Hotne, the motion for printing had
better he withdrawn, AS it was not regular to with-
drav to s.rder on the same day it was made.
T!ris suggestion was agreed to.
at 15'CK MASQUDADM

Geneva! THORN TON gave notice, tbat neat
Sersion he .hnsstd move r.,r le we to bring in a B 11 v,
prevent Publec Sur►=cripr,nn M-sktivierade.—( Load toad
totes:oat low:Ater from all'lra►tr of tie th.u.)
PRENENT SITUATION Of THE cmarair.

Mr. BROUGHAM said, if the present situation
of the country pre,. oted that aspect which we ha.l
been led to expect—if no extraordinary occurrence
had marked the cornmence•eent of the Session:--and
if, sit the close ot it. the House were to retire, lest
ing tlo liberties of our Constitutionowtheir ancient
fmairg, .snd the powers of the Crosin only as li.,
railed as that Constitutioa should keep them, be
shoula have found it necessary to trespass once
more tei the indulgence of the House in their present
exhausted state. But, when he looked at the expec-
winos the country had formed, and the disappoint.
meat of these hopes in the course of the Parliamen-
tary proceedings—and, efauve all, the footing On
Which now stood the rights and liberties of each in.
dividual member of the community ; he could not
allow the House to be prorogued Without performing
the nut very agreeable duty of 'rendering an account
of shot it had done, and what it had not dune, and
of endeairouring to carry to the foot or the 'ltirone
'spelt an Address as, during the Prorogation, might
make a proper impression. It must be in the recut.
lee inn of every man, that the distress of this coun-
try, for some months previous to the opening of the
Session, WAS such that it was beyhnd all description.
tic should nut attempt to describe it. It was, how.
ever, too feelingly desteibed in the language oi many
of the petitions that had come before the House; and
the picture of it given by the Noble Member for
Hertfordshire was indeed such as to render any de-
scriptioo of it unnecessary lu the midst of these
grievous sufferings, it was natural that there should
be great discontent amongst the people at tree mea-
sures of G .wernment, and an anxious desire for a
change—( Hear, hear)—and that here and there there
should have been partial excesses of a trifling extent.
A variety of persons, inconsiderable in point ot
weight and understanding, had certainly attempted
to avail themselves of this distress for the worst of
purposes. But amongst the reasonable people of Ibis
country—those who admired the stability of our etc.
cellei,t institutions, there was a universal expectation.
of relit f, particularly where the distress was moat
deeply rooted, from the Parliament alone. It was
here only that they found they could or ought to look
fur relief. How had Parliament answered these ea.
pectations ? They lied begun, not with measures tor
relieving the people. but for destroying them. Be-
fore asking what tee> could do for them. thy had
proceeue.i to take from them what they possessed,
and Ashen they did inquire into their distresses, and•
measures were proposed on his side of the House to
relieve them—when it aas shewn that these measures
consisted of a revision ,of our commercial policy, th'e
answer made to such a proposition was, by adoption,,
a motion, 's that the other Orders of the Day be now
read." if, when the stairving people.turned their,
eyes towards the House of • Colmns, and refused to
be misled by demagogues, who told them that the
Members were not the representatives of the People,
—it any one had got up and said at a public meet-
ing, c‘ Why go there ? they will do nothing for you,"
he was sure such a person would oot have been sale.
Wei had been said of the panaceas and nostrums
of Parliamentary Reform, but they" had been derided
even by the best and warmest friends of Reform;
and the natural consequences of this great distress
was to catch at straws. But as the House had dune
nothing for these people, it might not be amiss to in-
quire whether the distresses of the country had been
greatly diminished by the course ot nature? Un-
doubtedly there was a prospect of an abundant har-
vest, and he would fain hope thet the trade of the
country lad reached its lowestierel. The effects of
the late harvest had; he hoped, spent thernsAve:
there was ,said to be a considerable increase in the
value of land, though he thought this might be ex-
aggerated ; there was also a rise in the Funds, and
there was every reason to believe that we should nut
see the revenue so bad as it was five or six months ago.
But that very harvest had had the effect of reviving
out revenue by the opening of the ports-for the im-
portation of corn, which paid no duty. The falling
off in. our commerce was the want of goods to im-
potv, and the want of riches, so that it could not fail
to be observed that the opening of our pOrte for corn
had been the prectical cause of the increase of our
trade. But Use tear was, that this change might be'
only tempoeary. as the cause-ivould soon cease. As
to the list in the funds, there were two causes, per.'
Omen; and temporary. The diminution of taxes
and the aunual savings in consequeuee, of persons in
trade;might have in some degfee improved them in
the course of the last year, but the ',,ant of issue or
vent for our trade, and the want of any other mcde of
laying out our 'money, rendered this cause only tent.
por. :y, and the funds muse, as soon as trade re-
vives, sa kto a lower lard. Therefore he could not
look at their present state as an unequivocal proof of
our prosperity. But when ant:. were down as low
as ss. or 6s. per week for an able bodied workman in
the weaving line, it could not seem that there vial
earthing like a Tousiderable improvement in our ge-
,• rend circumstances. Yet he hoped and trusted we;
had sten the ,worst. • But this was no reason for the
House to remain satisfied, and not proceeding to
imyrOve the condition of the petiple, because that
condition was a little worse SVOstelair months ago.--
He denied the assertion that!Parliiiittpt could do
nothing. A; long as any reY?ltdOerissiined Shashi
their reach, tt was a breach tieduty to sit idle, kith,

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their atm. act oia, and wait the event. Now, what
had been proposed, and what acted upon ? No man
charged Ministers with the tonsequettses which must
have been expected to happen by the natural transi-
tion from war to peace, however much blame might
be thrown on them tor the conduct of the war. but
it had been 641d,0ur system wants reviiion,which every
great change rendered necessary. Revise your com-
mercial policy ; revise your financial system, for the
purpose ut reJucing the taxes. These were the pro-
pitiations ; and how wire they answered ? The Right
We. gentleman at the head of the Board of Trade
had atftnitted the justice of every principle which he
(Mr. Brougham) had ventured to lay down, on the
subject of our commercial policy; and, in that me-
m wade candour of his disposition, still more memo-
rable from the result that followed it, he had said,
that though he admitted all the principles that had
been ad saneed,-Government must not act on one of
them, because they were surrounded by conflicting
private interests. Why were these conflicting inte-
rests submitted to There was the interest of the
Baltic trade ; then came 'Canada and the Stripping
int. rest ; and whit, it was asked, could be done ?
Next c .me the iron and tie copper mercham, and
they beiiiged the 13h.erd of Trade, and then it was
asked what could he dcare with all these Ger.tl"men
If we oppose the linen trade' of the N,.rth of Ireland.
all these Gentlemen will come upon us in a body.—
Stith was the, touching simplicity with which the
Gentlemen opposite criticised their utter MAW:, y to
do what they wished. So, said they, in effect--
•• We will move the Miler Orders of the Day, be-
cause we admit that what yon have proposed would
greatly benefit the country; but the tittle paltry coo
sideratioas of wood. iris, copper, and linen, have
tied up our hands." But it the House had done its
duty, it would have auiweved is Go on, and d you
are not dismissed from your places for imbecility. we
will back yoii, by the malt of a Comakutse ut • In•
gitiry, and then.you eta no longer complain." The.
House, however, bad thought proper to adopt the
other course, and thirs,itt the third year sher a defi-
nitive treaty of • rieace we reinamed without any ra.
&tonal attempt hilviug been made to restore the
commercial And trading interests of the country...—
Now it ith respect to our finances,-Gentieinen on his
side maintained, that the Way to improve the rt venue'
was by lowering the taxes, as by lowering the dunes
they woOldincreare the amount at the cousumptian,
and consequently of the income, while the people'
would be rclievsd from their burdens But Inc Right
Hon. Gent!' man opposite would do nothing until he
could reenact the lucerne Tax. Now he got' a
loan from the Bank with interest ; then a loan wit.,
out interest ; then •n asses of Exchequer Bills, and
similar expeditnis ; and, in short, the ettaticetlot• or
the Exchequer's system w..s to fiase no system, but
to live things as they were wider the sheering con-
solation of the rise in the Nods. tilt CIICUUIi.n• re.
renuered it possible to revive amt tavounte child of
his, of whom himielt and tne Right ainouratile
Gentleman near him (Mr. Ruse,) were couttnuatit
sinuing the d;rge. But he was Me they never w.O
succeed—the} never could, till the House of Con- ,
mons became generally detestable and abandoned.--
With respect to foreign commerce, there was the same
ant of articl,s of
:importation Worn abroad, while
we were pressed by the competition of foreign skill
and foreign capital, so that the Finance Committ.s
could resort to nothing but an average in their erpi.
Mons as to the causes ot the revenue falling off. kit
had been said, that though there was :we reason to
believe the foreign trade would revive to some cx
tent, there was but too much reason to believe it
world never regain its former states This was his
ryirson, and he maintained it still. There was an
incapacity en the part of the Continent to take out
goods, and their go' s, ing activity wt aid ger to su-
persede them. Our advantage lay in our skill and
machinery—but at Vienna, Mulhausen, and other
places, they find attained to so much like equal abi-,
lay that those who reckoned on such manufactures
being exclatively our own, would too soon find
themselves under a great delusion. This brought
hint to a topic .connected with our home manuflo.'
tures. There was a Petition proposed by the Master
Cotton Manufacturers against the exportation of Cot-
ton 1'144 which was to have been signed by two
hundred thousand of the working people. It had
been said that if things should remain in the same
situation till next Session, there would be no diffi-
culty in persuading the House to enter into a full in-
vestigation bt the subject, and he should be one who
would be Most ready
,to enter it. But though no-
body would be more anxious than himself to catch
at every thing.that could afford the slightest relief to,
those people, it was his duty to state, that the more
theioughly the project of prohibitieg the exportation
if twist was investigated, die more it would be found
to have the effect o! diniinishing the export trade, by
the amount of the exportation, and die value of the
article imported for it, and to increase the price of
the article at home. The Honourable and Learned
Gentleman proceeded to attribute much of the dis-
tress amongst the operating cotton weavers in dis-
tant parts of the country, and their reasons for joining
persons of discontentedviews, to there being no per-
manent and' regular connection between them and
their employers. He contrasted their situation with
that of the clothiers i►i the West Riding of Yorkshire,
where the connection was More regular and substan-
tial, and consequently there was less distress and
,disturbance, He argued that we had no better
mans of bettering our general condition than by
Fiding new channels for. our commerce. He ad-
verted to the Misting of a proper intercourse between
ttlis*Governnient and South America; and observed
that there 'was in this precisely the same imitates
Want of system at in, all their other operations.-.-
We had a Consul at Trinidad, but he only produced
his commission after the Spaniards.had revoked;
While in Portuguese and Brittish America lie had
no such officer. Every Merchant condemned the
Governor of Trinidad, who had theists himself
from the greatest to the minutest &toile of his Ge-
vernaient, hostile to the interests of the Indepen-
dents, and had caused in almost total interruption
in the communications with the Spanish Main ; to
that the price or prmrisions had been advanced about
1000 per cent. or from sd. per lb. to 55..6d.
must beg to call, the attention of the House to the
Manlier in whith 111iniste.rs had exercised that very
Lpeopondeeaung influence whichsill the-eiciories abd
credit we had with. the Allied Pdwersgeve as a right
,to exiled,. 04-fact was worth a 'thoussed

j mente, and this existed in the case of Cern, where
a circumstance had lately taker place, which sheaved
as great oppression and baseness on throne hand aslu-
ruination and indecision on the other. It was ;:mown
that the King of Sardinia, though an aticii-lit aid
legitim:re 3,.vereign, and a model of legitimacy be
WAS—(a:ugia!r) —was principally of our • eiesiiion';
he had been expanded by us into such a bulk, as to
be almost called our own. We endowed him aid:
Genoa, and the Congress decl red it to he 'a free
i port. He prevailed cn the Chamber of Commerce,
in which the British merchants had no repre.entaiire,
Ito make him a donation to construct a large frigate,
l and the assessment was carried over all the •British
and Maltese merchants. These merchants were as.-
'sessed in considerable sums each; for shat was Called
a vohintary contribution. Th:ty anlied to Mr. Hai,
lour Resident, who told them tog:: to the Charittits of
Cotnmerce• and make a complaint. They did so,
; but no answer was given for three or four months,
and then they sent a soldier, who was quartered on
every British merchant, and three tr.:ncs a•day le-
vied her his pay. Mr. 11111 said the Ci.atnber tit
Commerce could not be justified, •but them ss As 110
1. help for the metchants, and they had nothing to Jo
hut to submit, as there was no means of fedi, ss
But the Noble Lord had consulted the K ng's A dvo-
cate upon a halt-,tatement of facts, aid no more,
and it was made to appear that the extortion was
contributed in the shape of a fax ' • on which the
King's Advocaat decided that the laws of nations
.ad not been violated Such conduct on the part of
AO Ally, was an insult to us, a:id s mere mockery of
Justice. It was a mockery to say that the Noble
Lord could have used no influence but sat silent, and
made no representation or. attempt to obtain redress.
R struck him that this was an act ineacosable. and
shameful on his part. But was it to be endured, that
the British Merchants were to be thus 'treated and
insulted by such little petty contemptible Sovereigot,
steam:ea of our own policy, and not to be protected?
He next advered to the preference shears) at Genoa
to. articles of French manufacture, particularly wool.
len cloth, which paid only three or * font per cent.
while (sues paid seven ; so that. no cloth could be id
future exported from this country to •slie.ging of
Sardinia's territories. He specified •Tsbasemos Antler
duties to whicießritish commeice seas subjected, and
argued that it was illt.pOSSlbic we cupid expect any
commercial facilities from Russia, A uatria,or France,
alter we had suffered ours< lvea us be so treated with
impunity by such a little patty King. Alter come,
severe animadversions en the propensity of Ministers
in attempting to follow the military mania of the
Continental Powers, he adverted to the large armies
winch those Powers were still keeping on foot ; cot
one of them having attempted to reduce them sipce
the Peace. From this Circumstance he augefed
speedy political shock, nutwithstanding the Holy
Alliance, of which Russia was the founder, hut who
had always had views of aggrandisement at the ex-
ven,e of Turkey, and mho could easily compromise
with Austria, who seemed to entertain similar views
towards that Power. He proceeded to comment on
the hue of conduct lately pursued with respect to
Lucien Bonaparte. Toe course which had been
taken by the Allies lie compared • with that adopted
uy that Ilouse on -Dyott's Divorce Bill. The Petition.
preseuttd by Lucien for a passport had been turned
into an enactment against him ; and not. only did'
uiey refuse to allow him a passport, but they also
b.dtct.led against granting one for his son, lest this
should enable Lucien to cover his designs, and effect
his escape to America. He was sorry to see the
.name of the Duke of Wellington connected with this
transaction. Such, however, he must observe, was
'the mania.. for mixing up military authority with
'diplomatic arrangements, that he should not be sur-
prised if he were shortly to hear that Lord Stewart,
the Minister of this country at Vienna, was not to
yet as diplomitisttehad been accustomed to do, but
on the instructions which he might receive from the
Military Commander in Chief. In answer to the
application of Lucien Bonaparte for passports, it had i
been stated, that the number of malcontents who had
found their way to America was so great, that his
presence there might be dangerous. He wished to
know what danger could be rationally apprehended
from such 2anan going to America ? What • was
there to be feared from a man like Lucien Bonaparte,
'devoted to literary pursuits and to poetry, who spent
his time in collecting specimens of painting. engrav-
ing, and statuary, and in making researches after
the remains of antiquity near his seat, at Tuscultini ?
'Che conduct pursued in this instance resembled the
policy of the peace of Westphalia, concluded in-16443.
' He recited the answer given to the application of
Lucien, and the decision come to by the Allies to
remove bidsfarther from the coast, and to assign
him some other abode than Rome. Was it :Worthy
of the Allies, or of England, •to act such
Sara 2
After•all the exertions made by this eonitft, was it
well that its influence should be exhausted
way—that it should be used to remove an individual'
from the dominions of an independent Soiereign .
If, in this enlightened age, a Convent had been ran-
sacked in order to draw from it a Monk if such :a
character had been taken from his beads and resariel
to be made. an independent Sovereign, it should be
remembered that we had been the means of setting
him op. and had no right to interfere with his :tali's,-
rity now. We had however taken upon ourselves to
act, where we had'no occasion to de so, tier' recelyins
news that an individual was about to'prio'‘apd,tii
America, le order to. assist the plots of the:Mal-con-.
tents wao wereplready there.. Now, from'all 'that
he had heard of the peaceable and decoreus•conduct
of Lucien Bonaparte, both while he was in ibis cotin
try and while he was abroad, where his actions were
most sedulously watched, he had reason to believe
that the news which bad been received concerning
him was like that furnished by some of the Agents
of•the.Noble Lotd for the Home Department. Such
persons, anxious to be enabled to dispatch a courier
with a great bag, or a little ;crap of paper with a
broad seal (for these things were the luxuries of such
Agents), it they could not discover any mischief,
1 would endeavour toinake some. He could riot but
suspect that the subordinate spies, who had furnished
the inlormatiop received against Lucien l3onaparte,
resembled the Olivers and others that might be
mentioned in this country. He next animadierted
ou the mismanagement of the patronise of the :ereiga
offieeri..He.had nothing to say against the two most
respectabbr °hit*, now. representing this country its
tiusttla;itad Russia, 'but to appoint twe..iclii;er:, to
i •

tltt:a...cr.; like dote enitEded try th.-r, I:el.;
ntime of that tr.:nit delicate brand: of pt:ronar,-.
1-I'? had talktd with ref-sous of till ecuntrieb t•ss
subjezt of these ap;,ostantents, and he t:
Vienna, end at otlicr places, title was but
as to dr_ fitness of Lot t! titt,ar to tiii that
at ion which or :tow held, lie litmr,tutd the prr .
binoal tuerih of that galtant'Officci, tet 'sot!
pointment he had eve, y Miele tOilild a monied (.1 .
,rat with scow, and of hlgne ioith ether: tut

who regretted and elm blamed it the most had ,: •'.
been IA er ready to de justiee to his prieete chores! •
AO te his military talents. The appointment ve i
objectionable, as it ought only to hew been pie-e te
one who bad been bred up in tile diplomatic I;ne
He hastily noticed the Consuls lately appoitio e•
. which, he contended, were such es ofkcteci neer e -
on those with whom they eriginated. It iereahee.
for him to mention the posture of the tourney ih a
v.-esti:whiled point of view. He lemented tenet tee
I hopes which had been entertained that the Catholics
would be .I,fiiiitted to a full participation in the bless-
ings et the Censtitution, had ended in bitter direr-
punitment. New strength had been naked (for it
was in vain to Attempt tQ disguise the tact) by bign.•
try and misgovensment, and the means of raicinl' a.
new cry of " No Popery" had been secured. On
this riceasion he thoteest he could descry as entrusted
to cert sin hands—hands well ktiewu too—•.lie repeth
tion of .4 well known intrigue. This was sure, that,
whatever the design might be that had been forine ',..
enough had been done to chimp the hopes ot 11:1
country. The question which had been dr.post:d of
was not merely, whettienthe Catholics slif,uld he a,1...
mitred to such and such offices, from which they had
heretofore been excluded ? It was, whether tl,is Er
that branch of patronage should be given to cne per-
ticuler branch of the community ? ein the qiies.he
at issue was, whether or not Ireland should be 17 Al
governed ?—lt Was necessary that the claims of the
Catholics should be conceded, to rescue -heel frorn
4 situation which in some eeepects was not superior
to that of the Negroes in the West Indies. lie ea
of wan. tosay that in colour or. iultreattnent they.
were thename ; but the comparison which fie •mada
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was this, that they were lihe the Slaves in the enloo
flies in being el.stiegnishcd from their fellemesubjects.:
The• Protestants mad •Cadudics tould not consider
eachoTher"as' brothers 'and fellow-subjects. Ih class'
respect theinsitnaiion*Weiesimilar to Met of the NE-
!•giciekh—bah with •.this difference, thlt a distinction
sees, id the one case, stamped tenthe hand of Nature;
in the other, it was created by foolish, atistilieiinht.
'almost say, by wicked leigfileel Till Caiholie.
emancipation should he granted.: Yllepoirle sit Ire.
lend would never unite heart in leanehneithetris coon-
try. The• present system must ptote fele) se the
finances, and not much less so to the liberties ,el, Eng.
land, as, it made an enormously iatge standing allay •
nec.cisirr to lhecurity Of1(1.4:1111:::qt.' At pewit
theC:itlibliei 'were- 'not the only sit ffsiu...ii;gi An eye.
tern pursued by Ministers. It WA.: in thieSeitihn Of
Parliament that, for the first titre since she Reecho,-
Lion, in a period of profound peace, and vileit liore•
was no risk -of the public safety Oat-could .. ire a
child, the liberties of the people were conllded to the
Ministers of the Crown, not merely for a limited pc-
' riode.but "Arent( bene placilo." it was importaut to•
cuneider by what hands the n' Code was to be used. .
He would assume the•Nuble Lord eppotiLto •-have'
been wholly ignorant. at•olee time of whit passer( ie
Ireland in 17h8, when the victims of the te4feertiment
were taken to the Ceele, end thence to the Bairacirs,
where they were Rouged till their bones appeared
through their skin-nay, till their flesh was newly*
cut off Item their bones, when gunpowder and salt
were rubbed into the wounds, till the moo excruciae
ting torment. was endured,--and then, without re.
prieve, a new punishment had been inflicted. '• One
titan had brought an action for having been 113eghtle
(he shuddered to relate the fact) till his bowels ape
peered through his wounds, when an attempt was .
made to dispatch him, by throwing him into a den..
peon for six or seven days, without afferdieg !inn any
inedieel assistance. If then such tortures as the:.
could be infloted in Ireland without conking to :he
knowledge of the Noble Lord, for the avowed pare
pose et extorting coutession of crime, what security
could the people of England-now have, th.t whee
he tat in Downing-street, ti. same enormities weeld
not be practised in Cornwall er Yorkshire? He il-
lustrated his argument, by refer-rine to the cost ei
Wright o. Fitzgerald, in which the defendant had
avowed that he tortured those who were appicheened,
in order to Obtein the' truth. This man had been
supported on that bee-Asian by the son of the Ceitf
Justice (Mr. Yelverton), and wilco he :applied for a
Bill of Indemnity, the applicethei was senctit tied hT
the Attorney-General, who hoped the hose would
grant one nueni mous voice. He Ohl Pot now
a pprelw nd: that tho ehtehre. would be applied in Eng.
land, but be • was alreid, thht unfertuthete p-ienna
would •be •drekged hoinAeir'hornes, and corieeede
with* hiving deserved suctcpuniduneffte its se:eery
dungeon':; and. ;t'lTdi Abet' which Ite, tiered could not
be guarded against by. all thoesagecityht the Noble
Secretary of • State for the 'Home; Djpartne nt. or
by that of die Ai& genouniple Gentleman oppo-
site. Vseffee nUkee :circumstances, _lte; throve h: the
Houses House, of lei ironing the All for suspending the 1 e.
-
bea's" i:hseptie Act, otrgaltedo all they could to ?°3'•,d
gal.l4l,tllepower 3 which they had eetrueod t• ben.
Moen being huse &e 1.,. by eerie ying up an addrees t 0....
the •ThYonv, .ps.iyitige that' emit *tenth:realise:id be
raid to- those who mightfie.cotifieed,iindet the Ha.
beat cfir44ll.Si'Aspeiiiiiip - A tc, kie• a pti le I: 1 7 -!..1 L.' i: -C
ll 'Hos di fer,e.feagili.of kii,sesgeOsili;eae aiso ,tor skit
oh the Address which he hoeseitininita iabueit to tl:ent.
He then moved •a veneelinbg 44dress, einixecing,
with littre•naiietne neei•lx ail the topics toseerehrti-
ded in hi: speech,-
Lord.cAsr4EßEAO4Saido.it Was Si'lg°l3 t..e
Hen.,pnd Learned Cendernan :hid en Vol; delayed
bringing forward the qUelehedsivolved in his se.och,
manyeot which, .from deiii44eareneabstnot imp:-
taieo, might have- jblihtleil *watt end dieisiso mo-
nhtis lid discustionn.bot • Abie. li.imaJ, b.: a., lenge:
paradoxical, it it contd-tee slipposed thei thc °hie"
otalk.ethLl-loutri.lb:,l.e,ilettityLeb.,:.iiit„Lo.. c,,,,...dita.m.::. wz 7:-
case .iAainsc Ministers, at a movirrit when they iiiight
,b,,,elru.n)Leelphatrediltoonmeaentdittineaarllh:idts
upicel.iiecirunt —lhaidicarta:
voive.l the House with a leng speech ; out, toe lrs
part,. he could not di.cover the argument of it; le,
hed deed: it:hies:4 eed:llibcral oncrtionoe epeprearcd

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