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Mr. 1-1/11117,RT denied the existance of tiny Mo. I Sir THOMAS TURTON tomb liter his pmtesi &PAW the toilet iiiittkot iciotiras he won .
aopolist combination on the part of the West Indian against voting a supply amounting. to £15,000,000. quire. He did think, however, that it might be
merchants. Consumption, some had said, .Was the ike for e an account of the excienditurebf Monies Voted found necessary to alter 4
whole system of exami.
nation into regimental acedurits.
pirent of production ; and such, in truth, it was Ale preceding year ha* been given. Of eho application
where a fair prize was allowed for commodities ; had of £25,000,000, an immense sum, no account bed been Mr. CALC RAFT thought , a balance of seventy
the landed interest wanted this great stimulus to ex- rendered. Hit objections, however, *ere pointed lets thousand pounds between the estimates and the're-
ertion, and this remuneration fore xertion ? (How.) against the estimates theft against the g'reat foreign et- , turns of effectives lying on the table was too much.
When, however, insinnations were thrown out against peditions which called far such expences. The el em. I Our military establishment indeed was by much too
the West Indian proprietors, Gentlemen would do sire magnitude of our military estalelishMents, he i large for the means ef the country. He would point
lout more instances than one in which a salutary re-
well to recollect the three %vents of France—ships, co- ceived to be disproportioned to our means, end to have
lonies, and commerce—and then ask themselves what a ruinous tendency. With a populatioti of 16 or 17 : duction might be effected. There were veteran bat.
might be the situation of British landholders, if met- millions, we supported an army of 371;000 regulars, i taboos of little use ; some foreign corps might also he
cantile individuals were compelled to abandon our exclusive of the militia. The French regular army, i
i disbanded without injury to the service ; as also ell
colonies to France ? ( Hear.) The ctionial interests although Bonaparte exercised despot* sway over . incomplete battalions. The mode of recruiting by
had supperted the landed interest—th had.been, as more than sixty millions of people, was not twice sol volunteers from the militia he considered most ex-
thee ought to be, inseparable ; and he therefore large as that of the United Kingdom. Add tte the f pensive, burthensome, and injudicious. Ever since it
ready deprecated the competition which some Hon. Regular Army the force of our original Iviilitia,litad been adopted, the recruiting for the line had I
Dentlernen belated at. 84,000, and the Local Militia, 200,000, the aggro- i proved inefficient, and to it the inefficacy was fairly
Mr. ADAM expressed much satisfaction at the gate is enormous. But our exertions are not fully 1 imputable. Ide would not withhold his tribute of.
edighteoed manner in which the subject in question - measured, if we omit the 145,000 employed in the ; applause from the estimate, which was as eccurate
bad been treated t he was anxious to pursue it, and to Navy, 800,000 men will be found a sixth part of our i and clear as any thing of the kind that had ever fallen'
ascertain more faits, before -any decision took place. male population ; and nearly a third of the adults , beneath his notice. ,
There ought to be no reverence between the 'ended under forty years of age. But independent tif the ex- Mr. WHITBREAD wished that nor national re.
ssed colonial interests. ,' •iiinee this was the fourth era pences, continued the Honourable Baronet, there is Penditure and the means of defraying it were 'kind
is the history of distilleries, he wished conxm a delusion on the public, which hangs rouid the sub- in conjunction. Was it possible that the Right Ho.
as to the relative prices of sugar and or ; for this ject of the army which I wish to see removed. While poureble Gentleman had really made up his mind
was as desirable on account of those who cultivated we par for this force, we have not this force, to an as to the probability of keeping up for any length
our distant islands, as for those who owned our native effective and disposable purpose-137,000 regulars of time so enormous an establishment ? rt was easy
lend. Investigation, not action, was now requisite. were stated to be employed abroad ; the number at Ito say, with gigantic calculation, we must have so
If, however, he were to give an opinion, he should home at 74,000. He disbelieved that we retained : many ships and so many men ; but the fends by
prefer distilling from grain, till some slap could be this force here ; while a cogent necessity existed for' which they were provided, he was apprehensive, would
devised for id
both grain and sugar for the reinforcing the army in Portugal, would Ministers i soon appear not to be inexhameible. As to the bat-
purposes of spirituous distillation. , ' hold so large a force back ?He thought the 17,000! loting of men to serve in the militia, heconceived it
ti
Sir JOHKSINCLAIR thought that the price of cavalry now at home operated as a waste of the fin in- ! a most injurious system. If there was a necessity
tacky ought in fairness to be raised. He was of opi- cial resources of the country, and that their establish.' for a conscription, why not make it equal ? If no nes
Ilion, that the present question should be adjourned, ment might be safely reduced. The nutnber sent on cessity existed it would be much morejest, and Trite
for the mums. of further light ; and hoped that there foreign expeditions had never exceeded 9000. He de- as effectual, to recruit fur both the regular forces and
would be no objection to adjourns it to Monday. Even precated the prevalence of a military phrenzy in the the militia. There was no saving, to the aggregate
then, he could wish the House to pass the measure • country. By the most extravagant efforts, we cannot of the nation in the volunteering plan, it was true a
purely as an experiment, to be tried for a year ; and cope on the Continent, with a man directing from 60 smaller bounty was paid to the individual volunteer-
that, at the expiration of this timonaCommittee should ito 100 millions of subjects. Victory in an offensive ing, but before a natibnal saving conld be made out,
be appointed to examine into its effects. 1 war with him is impossible, at the same time he ac- it must be shewn that such individual, on his entering
Mr. MA RRYATT chiefly objected to the 'Reso- ! quitted Ministers of running before the people in their the militia, had not received, as a substitute, a conse
Intion on the ground of the relative prices of sugar i expeditions. But the Ministers of the country should derable sum extracted by. the balloting operation from
and grain not having been in the first instance aster- ! moderate, and not inflame the public eagerness for the pocket of a single person. The Hon. Member
Mined. The embarrasments of our sugar planters war. Let us p reserve, untouched, the vitals of the then made some minute observations on the various
had long been grievous ; but they had been recently State, lest we should be forced, by embarrassment, to items of the estimates, which .
augmented by the capture of Martinique and Gua- , terminate the contest with Bonaparte when the natio-
out Lord PALMERSTON said, the new charge of £61,000 arose
daloupe, and ought to be attended to. He objected, !gal interests may most demand the steady prosecution uvedof audielifichieuncy intihe sumh 'mid last year, exceeding the sum
however, to the speculative character of the Resolu. of it- The Right Hon. Gentleman avoided entering was for severale buildings notidiege:
andt new ibe:encecki.;
iteh aatetdh the
near secondleeidtoez
tion before the House. He wished the House duly on the details of the estimates, to which he professed for the use of the Guards ; and that the third of £lOOO was a re.
to consider the nature of our mercantile intercourse. himself not adequate ; but he summoned the conside- 'numeration granted to the chaplains of some Irish regiments trans-
Drithh trade did not really depend either `on the ced ration of the House to the great question, whether ferred to this country. With respect to the Medical Gentlemen
alludedthattheittouthe.ceesinmmander in Chief bad stated it as his opinion
vicious interdicts of Bonaparte, or the non-intercourse the State could sustain the continued pressure of so Walcheren had been well performed. When
acts of America : so long as we encouraged our own lavish an expenditure ? Let, our efforts correspond iit wee considered too that '
they were men advanced In years, and
who had been fora
produce and our own
manufactures,
so long as we with but not exceed our permanent resources, lest the great
to have dismissed them without re-
part of their lives in the service, be
vigorously fostered our native spirit of enterprise and people, itrugeling under increasing burdens, shouldl'hould have deemed it unjust
, mu.neration ; and as to its equality it Was quite unavoidable.
industry, we might continue to defy the wiles of the become disgusted with a war which may be necessary Ihe Resolutions were then read and agreed to.
enemy. Instead of immediately prohibiting the dis. for maintaining the greatness and independence of the MUTINY SILL. .. ,
Citation from grain, he wished, therefore, that art in- empire. Mr. PERCBVAL melted, that the Home should go into a
guirp should b M
e instituted as to the relative prices of SirJAESPULT Mr. Alll
ENEY considered it utterly im. Committee
.on the Mutiny Bill.
tRCROMBIE
Friend to Emma new observed,cthat it was the intention of
grain and sugar. practicable to contend successfully against the enemy an Honourable , Honouble of his
army. ause relative to eor-
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that if the present with a diminished m:litary establishment. • Ileshould poral punishmentintbe
measure was intended to be made permanent, he not, he admitted, deem it advisable further to increase Mr. PERCEVAL said, this mielit be done
onthe Report,
should oppose it as an infraction of the union : if the regular military force. A recourse to the militia which was ordered to tie reeeived on Monday.
Lord PAIMB.RSTON rose pursuant to notice, so move for
otherwise, he should look to its simple merits, and as recommended by the
Noble Lord, to fill up the leave to bring in a Bill to permit a certain pronorrlon of the Ml-
tote accordingly. vacancies in the line, would lessen the general expen- thin of the United Kingdom to enlist into his Majesty?, Laud
Mr. W. SMITH cpnceived it was most eligible to. diture. He feared that the appointment of the nen- Forces.—Leave granted. Adjourned.
Send the topiet in question tea tieleet Csonimitteei to commissioned officers to the Local Militia had, in
examine into, into, and report upon them, before the House some instances, been managed as a job : if this could
cattle to any ultimate measure. He ceuld assure the be remedied, and men of military experience only
House, that the Distillers were as much dissatisfied permanently engaged, he should have great reliance
with the spirit of the Resolution, as the West India on the Local Militia as a defensive force.
Company; and the landed interest of the country.. Mr. GILES expressed a suspicion that Ministers
'The CHANCELLO t of the EXCHEQUER wished to ;,disguise froM the country the expence
owned that he was far from being surprised that incurred by. its military establishment. To enforce
the measure bf the Resolutions was not favourably, and illustrate grounds of objection to the Noble
received, either by the West Indian interest, the Lord's plan of recruiting from the militia, he went
landed interest or the distillery interest.- This corn- into a history of the Acts of Parliament, and official
mon dissent .on all sides, instead of ;reking, with regulations, connected with the militia, and other
him, against the measure, served only to convince descriptions of domestic force, for the last ten years.
him that the true interests of all the parties had The Honourable Member then recommended, that
been pretty fairly consulted.--(Laugh:, and Hear.) the militia should be raised by recruiting, and the
•--Since, however, there was no prospect of a con- regular forces enlisted, without any circuitous process;
turrence of opinieos on the Resolution before for although the present mode of raising the militia
them, he tthsted .that the House would not ad. by ballot, and converting it into a nursery for the
Mit of any unnecessary delay. Indeed there ap- army, costs less to Government ;it oppresses indivi-
peered to exist no real objeCtion to put sugar in coin- duals, and fells heavily on the country. Let the bal-
petition with grain, and not to concede any monopoly lot, therefore, be extinguished altogether. In the ex-
tn either. As
,to the question alluded to by an pence of clothing the Local Militia, he thought that'
Nenourable Baronet (Sir John Newport) referring some retrenchment might be made.
to the Union, he Must leave it, ,with all its difficul- Mr. COLEURNE accounted for the two circular:
ties, where it was. • The union with Scotland had, by which preceding Secretaries of State had fixed the
b a kind of oversight, placed that part orthe establishment of Militia Regiments something above
ts
.nited Kingdom in an exclisively propitious situ- the quota required by the several Statutes.
a nas to the article.of *pities., 'Witness no remedy Mr. GIL-ES explained.
for this error, unless Parliailsetat itsterfeast) and repeal- Colonel WOOD coneerred with the Right Hen.
ed that article of union ; which, however, as lie believ- Gentleman (Mr. Giles) in recommending recruiting
tut the Honourable Baronet would acknowledge, was to be substituted for the Militia Ballot.
b patter of great delicacy, and might be attended Sir PATRICK MURRAY exposed the abserdity
with some difficulty.. of the present indirect mode of raising soldiers for the
Mr. PARNELL observed. that the subject inept- line. The bOunty for limited and local service was I
ved some comprehensive:calculations, the depth and greater than the bounty for unlimited and general
difficulty of,which required patient examination to service. He contrasted the premium given to a sub-
precede decision... Fromthe dissatisfaction excited by stitute by a person drawn in the Militia, frequently ,
the Right eon. Gentletnan'e proposed resolution in as high as 70 guineas, with the sum allowed the re-
the minds, as well of the lauded proprietors as of the cruit by Government ; and concluded by recommend-
West India planters,' be inferred that the scale assumed ; ing an extinction of the Ballot.
must be erroneous. TheWesandia interests, he admit- i Mr. BANKES thought, that under the present
ted, dercrved, both oaths pounds ofjustice and aollcy, circumstances of the country and of Europe, no re•
the parental support of that House. But to Gentle- ; duction of our force was possible; he conceived ere
ing on the pert, ad* planters, or as them- I was no better mode of recruiting that force the by
irked in,t.M' t colepiel , trade, be sumetid, i volunteers from the Militia ; he saw no reaso why
!mpting to obtain: relief by an experiment t the measure should not he made permanent. i
der discussion, they proceeded on a eon- Sir THOMAS TURTON explained.
,istaken vies of their own interests. ','heir Mr. Secretary RYDER conceived that the Noble
is not i partiatiitteeference .witla our do- Baronet had by no means successfully impugned thel
vulture, but an investigation into the..causes : arguments of`his Hon. Friend. There never was an
the last 12 years have conduced lei die die- I estimate more accurate or more clear than that which
colonial planter and merthant,eomptehen..i, had drawn forth his well-merited eulogium. He was
elusion from the market of the ..gaisitinent; a : sorry that the rechictioe of the time appointed for
if the NorigasioneLavri, and other eircum-- -training the Local Militia seemed to his Honourable
iich would, reodily present themselves, and Friend an unadvised measure. He had consulted
limps; a more substantial alleviation or per , with Several Colonels of that description of force, his
nes! y,,.. . , , i intimate friends, and it was their opinion that no de-
RW)..N and Mr. MARRYATT mutually Warty of discipline would ensue. The agriculture
and manufactures of the .country wool have mate-
'SE, in explanation, opposed the apprint.: really suffered by the continuance of ie length of
Committee, and denied that the distillers, as time first assigned.
s former
'ere averse to the proposed measure.
General TA RLETON repeated some o \Tie,
'ouse then divided ; Vor the Chancellor of the objections to the estimates, as not properly stating the
-'s resolution 70 ; against it '2l; majority 49. , disposal of the army, and declined going into any de-
ARMY XSTIM ATM i tail on the present occasion.
motion of Lord PALMERSTON, -he 0r- I Mr. LONG observed that the Hon. Baronet had
day was read for taking into consid rat on found fault with accounts without having stated any
of the Committee of Supply. thing he would wish to substitute ; he ought to have

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THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

SATURDAY, MARCH 9.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK t
3 per Cent. Cons. money, 64---for account 64 46.
Reduced shut- -4 per Cent. shut—S per Cent. Navy EH.
Exehog. Rills 10a. to 13s. prem.—Bonds, 245. prem.
PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY.
2 per Cent. Red. shut India Bonds 25s •pre.
g per Cent. Cons. 654; Imp. 3 per Cent. 6.41
4 per Cent. shut Exc. Bills, 7s. les. prem.
S per Curt. Navy 974ii4 Omnium SI S dis.
India Stott 179 Cons. for acc. tit,*

" WINDSOR CAMS, IMRE?! 9.
" Ilia MAJESTY has made considerable progress in
his recc,yery, and' is going on favourably.
(Signed) "H. R. REYNOLDS, H. HALFORD,
"W. lIIBERDEN, R. WILLIS."
"W. B:11 LLLB,

We have received Lisbon Papers to. the 17th ult.
but their contents present nothing of interest with
respect to Portugal. Details of petty skirmishes in
Spain continue to fill the Portuguese Papers.

Yesterday morning the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER made a communication to the Governor and
Deputy-Governor of the Bank of England, for the
information of the public, which was afterwards read 1
by Mr. HASZ to the Gentlemen of the Stock Exchange,
to the following purport : •
" That It was the intention of Mr. PEICI)AL to submit to
Parliament, early in next week, a proposition for funding Exche-
quer Bills, dated between the Ist of April, 1410, and the 18th
day of March, 1811, both inclusive. to. a certain amount, not ex=
ceeding in the whole the sum of Twevrt tenitone—the termer
a, follow : For every hundred pounds principal money of Bills lo
tubscribsd, the subscriber is to receive one hundred and three,
pounds fourteen shillings in Navy S per cent. Annuities, the in-
terest thereon to commence from the sth day of January last ;
and the interest on the Exchequer Bills subscribed to be funded,
is Intended to be paid to the 9th day of April next inclusive. In
the event of the above sum of TWILVX MILLIONS in Exchequer
Bills being so subscribed, Mr. Peace /At. engages not to Propose ,
any other adtlltien to the 5 per cent. funds is the present Session I
of Parliament. On the contrary, should Exchequer BM to the
full amount not be subscribed, then he reserves t• himself the
pow r of creating 5 pt r cent annuities to the amount et such de-
kiency by the loan to be raised for the service of the present year."
Yesterday evening letters were received from the
French coast, to the date of Sunday last. By these,
we learn the important fact, that notwithstanding the
concession of our board of Trade, in favour of the
Friesland, Hanseatic, and other vessels, the embargo
had not been raised in the French ports. The exchange
at Paris was 16 and a fraction, or equal to SO per
cent. below par.
Government, it is said, received intelligence yes-
terday, that an attempt had been lately made upon
the lite of BERNADOTTE, from which he had a very
narrow escape. It may have been so ; but, consider-
ing the school in which this man has been educated,
we cannot wholly discard the impression that this
assassinating plot has been got up for some political
purpose—either that of exciting the general sympkthy
of the' Swedes in his favour, or affording a pretext for
surrounding him with a military force, which will
-4er aoy opposition so bias impossible.

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