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ae,. Bet In the wards eta Noble Lard be would
nth to toliws°7lte Catholics may prove too sunning for you oolas
Will net be Air to catch them; besides which.they willssnly have
beet acting iltamaisteccy with the law."—(liege, hear) It was
a fair questlah 'to *eatable how far this Bill would event* u a
dangirinis pieeedeat in ether eases ; and. at far as tbe Coedits-
tiro estocerned. it appeared to him that the measure awaited
the nitat 'revolutionary principles. Were net the Radicals delighted
with it ? Were not the Unitarians petitioning in favour of it? and
Were not the Deists sod Atheists throughout the country charmed
with it? And why were these penes's* chanced with it? Why
Old they express so muck delight at the prospect of its passing into
slew ? Because the view they took of tke Bill was, that its progress
tread render them irresistible. Nor couidthe
what Wealdble
Duke
he premed
that be had mot bad sullelest warning ofbe t rusk
of this false called liberality towards the enemies of the Protestaut
Church. Last Session, when the repeal of the Test and Ceeparathei
Acts wai introduced into Parliament. the Noble and Locoed Lard
(Man) tad taken mote than one occasion to ware the Count-
matt; that by introducing the settlement of that questien, It
world give the enemy an opportunky of taking up a position en
the artworks, where they might securely wait the time foe a fur-
thee attack. But though the Noble Duke, in reply to this, had not
only &Worded the enemy the opportunity foe that further attack, but
had give* Notice to that part of the garrison who could not come
to the same" tenant= as himself, that be had no further occasion
for their services, as he had plenty of resources MOOS the Whip
and ellewhere to provide himself with recruits. This was all
very well to say; but his great fear was, that the 'Noble Duke's
dehisce would not prove permanent. The Right Reverend
Prelate (the Bishop of Oxford), who bad spoken in favour of
the Bill on the previous evening, had said that it was quite clear
that something must be dose to relieve the situation of Irelsod ;
but he would ask, was that a reason for the introduction of so
naked. ensathfacto ry. and incomplete a Bill as the present? The
High Rev. Prelate had also laid considerable stress us the eleven
letters that be bad received; and as this was the case, he (Lord
Falmouth) was bound to uproot that the Right Rev. Prelate had
thought the fact sufficient to have weight with him, though it was
not, for that reason, necessary that it should have weight with those
who were opposed to the Bill. The Right Rev. Prelate had aloe
stated that he bad in Ow course of his life lived much with Roman
Catholics, and by means of that intercourse he had discovered that
they were not idolaters; but he (Lord Falmouth) begged to sh.
whether that Right Reverend Prelate had mot sworn that he
believed the Roman Catholic religion to be superstitious and idols-
swigs ? and he connived. that if the religion itself was idolatrous,
it was a necessary consequence that those who believed in that re.-
beton should be idolaters. AU that be could suppose in favour of
the Right Reverend Prelate was, that those Catholics with whom
be had lived. did not worship images. But it should always be re-
wasaltered, with respect to the Catholics, that it was impossible
ever inset at she secrets of their religion. If any one doubted this,
be vault find an excellent corrective in looking over the letter of
a Noble Lard (Beaky). which was among the must excellent, it
not. in itself the moat excellent document that had been poblised
on the subject. In that letter the fact was distinctly proved. that
up to the extinction of the dynasty of the Stuarts, the whole of
the Catholic Mahar of Ireland were appointed by that
Another Noble Lord bad asked. whether it was possible for a mi-
nority to overawe a majority? He (Lord Fainteuth) answered
Yes. Need be site a stranger %steam than that of the Catholic
Association, which no use could dispute to be a minority, in con-
wilco with the test of the kingdom, but which. nevertheless, had
sulkiest power to frighten the strongest Government that had
ever existed, the Noble Duke at its head, who was supposed to
be the boldest Minister that had ever lived, and a great portion
of the Aristocracy, tut of their senses—(Hear. hear). The strug '
gle concerning the Episcopal party in Scotland was no case in
pulse. because it had never been apprehended that that body had
the least desire to obtain supremacy for.thentselves at the expense
`et the Church of Ragland; besides which, that body bad never
denounced nr repudiated the Established Church as heretical. How
could espedleocy justify this measure ? It was true that in Ireldbd
there were five millions of Catholics to one nate(' of Protestants.
but then in this country there were ten millions of Protestants to
one minims et Catholics, eo that the argument et expediency did
not really apply, because the Nil not only permitted Catholics tusk
for Irish bosough: but foe English boroughs alga. He 6as aware
that this point Was One sit dilliculty ; but if they were to rely en
the argument of expediency. be should say. that theughathe measure
might di. as to Ireland, it was clear that it would not as to England.
Ile hadihe highest respect Int what the Noble Duke had dew in he.
half of hi. /vaulty ; and if he would allow him to say an,it was hie ein.
etre wish that hi. civil might equal in splendour that which
hadlnarkest his military conduct. It was his ulcere wish that the
Nubia Duke should not take one jot front the strength of that
British Constitution, which he had at one time so ably assisted in
upholding. But he was afraid that this could not be the ease. The
Nettle Duke might be said to have thrown off the confidence of the
Protestants of Ragland. Perhaps. however, there was still room
for hope in the Noble Duke having promised to remedy the evils of
this Bill, if it should be found that its operation led to evil results.
Did the Noble Duke mean by that, that it the measure did not week
wail, be would himself introduce a repeal of it? (The Doke sign'.
thiditis dissent.) The Noble Duke shook his had, and be (Lord F.)
was, therefore.• afraid that be was deceived in what be had under-
weed the Noble Duke to have said en the previous evening. It so.
be b. gged his pardon; but *tilt he could not help thinking that such
a course would be to the cridit of any man. Having said thus
much, be begged pardon of the lieu's for having detained it so
long; but at the ante time he hoped ke had shows, what was
really the case. that he had really t resistance of this measure
most sincerely at heart. At all events, he should it down with satis-
faction at the 'reredos that, thank Goa, sincerity and consistency
had sat vet lee their value in the eyes of a British House of Leeds.
The Duke of WELLINGTON explained.—(There was here
a birdcall ter the Earle( Mansfield, Viscount Ooderich, and Lord
Tesearis.)
Thit Duke of RICHMOND moved that the Earl of Marigold
be bawd.
• ' Leal GODSRICH was, however still loudly called for sod
the *Me Lord at length rose and said. that if he had not McLane
spokes on this lamina, it was only because he was anxious to
give way to other Noble Lords. However. before proceeding any
further. be wished the question to be put, whether his Noble
Friend or himself should be heard.
The LORD CHANCELLOR this put the question, bat no
diviske took place.
The Duke of RICHMOND withdrew his motion on who
should take precedence.
Lord GOOBlllOl said, it sus no want of respect to the Noble
Lord opposite. which ino.ticed him to persist in his right of addressing
the noose, as it. was his conviction that he had got possession of it
Me hoped the Noble Earl would yield to him ea this occasion, as
be (Lord Goderich) bad been compelled to give way in a similar
manner to many Noble Lords io the course ot the debate. He was
therefore sorry that he was placed under the painful necessity of
keeping possession of the House, and to put it to their Leftist:
say whether he had not a right to proceed. The cries for ..f)eld. becoming very loud,
Lord M ANSFIELD said—l am more than ever inclined to
vote for the amesdment, as by that means I will be Winded six
months to prosecute my studies. lam cenalely not indisposed to
the amendment of any state of the people, but I confess I never
have been a reformer, and I sincerely hope I Dever shall be—
(Lend laughter). bly Lords, it is supposed to be impossible to
oiler any resistance to the Catholics. They have, therefore, no
hope, it is said ; fur if they persist in refusal, nothing but the
moat fatal consequences will sooner or later ensue. My Lords,
when once ou admit
butte
the Administration Catholics, your
Lordships do y
not know but that you may be deprived of the same
liberties of which the Catholics now complain—(Hear. bear).—
The. Catholic Chinch canna be in alliance with the Church et
England. The qualms then is, will your Lordships give up an
establahment such as the March Establishateot of this country?
Will you give Catholics seats in this House to legislate en Protes-
tant Main? Or will your Lordship- say. as others have said before
that they are to have nothing to do with those &faits. and that all
religious views are ores; but that one religion must be established
for political Farrows. Now I think the Established Church ought
to be supported.--(Here the cries of Adjourn, adjourn ! Question!
went exceseitre)—but if Cathodes are admitted into power, the
Establishment will be In danger, and under all the clratinstancts
shall feel it toy duly .to vote spinet the mature.
The thlarqtris,ot ANGLESEY rose, amidst cries of
Adjourn, adjnorn ' but the cries for the Noble Mar
quit to proceed 'prevailed. He said, at that late hour
of the.night, he should occupy their Lordships mien.
tion beta very short time. Having given the measure
brfche the Howse great consideration. he bad e• me to
the es, teusion that he was promoting. the best interests
bus cum* y by giving the measure his cordial sum.
out. I
thoupbt the question might be regarded in three drf
ferret hews—ass political—a religions—and a military
itsiestjon-and Erst regarding it as a political questi..n.
tuldsserglit it *cold be the regeneration of Ireland.—
Ireland vants repose, and she has now enjoyed a
statti of tritsquillity for several months. Her jails are
ampti—her notice are idle—and her military are un.
itnai.ryed. This measure uould secure that tranquil.
*y and render it permanent. It would cause British
eispitaY vs 114 w -4‘to Iteland.--It would increase ,the
value of lanJ—it would reduce the rate of interest—it

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wooltarain bogvarn-it would improve laud, and establish
ellinufaetures. The people Of Ireland were said to be
idle. It was true, they were idle; became there is no
employment; bet when employed, and fairly paid, there
were no better labourers in the world: 'fbe effect. of
this Bill would be to give them employment ; and MS
undoubtedly was of more importance than all, it weal.
cause the wandering absentees to return to their native
land, and establish between landlords and tenants, those
relations of good still that formed the best blessings of a
people. With respect to the IrishChorch being in danger,
he was firmly of opinion that the passing of this Bill would
do more to strengthen it than any thing else. Bet it
wanted no support. As to the safety of Ireland, every
man who knew that country would agree with him,
that 25,000 men were a scanty gatrison, with exclusive
laws. But repeal them and half the number would do.
Continue them. and 70,000 would be a scanty garrison.
He would undertake to say, that in six weeks after the
passing of this Bill, be would raise 50.000 men, able.
bodied and wiling to serve their country in any part of
the world. The Bill was worth more than 100,000 men t
he Cher-fore would give it his hearty support. The
Noble Marquis replied to some observations made by a
Right Reverend Prelate. that he had not supported the
Protestant intere.t. If the Right Rev. Prelate had said
he had not supported the Protestant Clubs, he pleaded
guilty. The Bill would go to perpetuate tranquillity.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE moved to Adjourn, amidst cries
of Go on ! Go on I
The Earl of ROSSLYN proposed to Wiesen till to-morrow, at
an early hour, either eleven or twelve o'clock--(Cries of Oe eel)
Lord FARNHAM supported the question of adjournerms.
The Duke of WELLINGTON was di posed to unlit, die
motion, but wished it to be as short as passible. The Noble Doke
referred to a precedent in 1511, when the debate was adjourned to
the following day.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY supported the motion se
adjournment.
Lord CLI FDEN hoped It would be underrood that no petitions
should be pretested, but that their Lordships would proceed to the

discussion to-nterroW, at once.
The Earl of ELDON had no wish to prolong the discussion at
so late an hour ; but with respect to Petitions. alluded to by the
Noble Lord. he certainly bad a great number to present. He would,
►owever. not address the Hesse to morrow until the Learned Lord
at the law department had delivered his sentiments.
The question of adjournment until One o'Clock townsorrow (this
day) was thee carried, and the House adjourned at a Quarrels
CAST Two °Twee this morning.

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