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London, England, 1816-06-08 00:00:00

P4RLI-IMliNii4Rr P tOCEEOIVGS.

HOUR OP LORDS, JUNE 7.
The Houle IV-v': further evidence 0.0 the I.ibilet Dyott's
divorce; and guts Of th.l whit/ewe deposed to .evrre' • acts,
log that Gener4lliyottind hit wife did not live hipody tirether,
though so Ise other.. depneed to the contra-y. further peo-
ceedie3 %vas pnvponed till,gotiday, when the vrttneiselp, and one
Asiimore, who been S.ecrvant l 4 •he family, were
order,. i to at V-Ild
e Earl of I..3ITDERI)AI. moved for cal rapere to
chew tile sate of the Irish Silver COhtigei wIL were order*ed
to he produced..
The. Earl of CARNARVOI4 alis moved for further papers oe
the .rite of the. Sliver Coin, which were oriltael.
The Civil Lbt Bill rya+ committed and reported, r.nd ordered
`for
a third reading en ru,tzt.

ADDY's DIV4INCC.

- Ahdy's Divorce Bill hav;ng hren ciestmitted.e,
The Earl of• LAUDERDALE „proposed the
Manse which in these ceses ottga, ie his opinion, •
always to be insetted in the Bills •1-hesaerely., a clause
for melting some nehvisien tor the w-roap, so that
she -••ght not he left eitirele destitete. Lady Ahdy
heti nreittght l(ii.:111c of I ),003 to 1, .! :; trekt,
.ind the object n: the creme was to give er ,sa a:o*
anie. equal to the ir.terest.of that. sum (a175(Y.)).
The Earl of LlTti E ICK. stated, that SirWilliallf
Ahdy left the mater eotirely tc Lordshipil.
taa. he was wiliint, ns tar as depentl.l cm him, that
she sh,:dd have a 1.14- provision.
The LT.? I) said, that the pine
money had .o /'r'ot!, and he did not think the pro.
vision °ilea T.:7 go beyond tha-.
"Toe Earl of LIMERICK. eiht:veti, ;hat 4100
mitt be seificiera.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE agneel to reduce
the Allewaoce to Fir:)!), end the t. r an allow-
ance of etoo was arcordinlv ins?red.
Tee Earl of LAUDE' I? ALM: then adverted to
the Standing Order, hy eh: .h it was ordered, that itb
these Bel: a clause should gee inserted to prevent the
interma:riage of the otTen.iing partit s. • hrs order
had seldom been acted upon by their Lai &Oil's. It
had, he believed;aiways been omitie , excels' in 01141
instance, where it appeared ti be matter of tittle mo.
mein whether it should be inserted or not. 'But
thou4h a clause ot this kind had been allresed to
remain in the Bill oe that occasion, he dal not think
that it ought to be allowed to remain in the present
Bill. The cases were widely different. He under.
stood it was to be contended that the letters written
to the Lady by the to er slimed that the seduction,
' had been effected by a promise to marry her. The
letters were, to be sure, like most others of the kind,
sufficiently foolish ; but they did not prove that the
seduction had been effected by a promise of marriage,
and if their Lordships allowed the clause to remain
in this Bill, they would do a misch:el of the worst
descriptien. The letters evidently appeared to have
been written subsequent to the commission, of the
zduhery, and io pr .ceed, in a great measure, from
an anxiety to make every possible reparation to the
Lady. He moved that tee clause be omitted:
Lord, KENYON stated, that the levers had been
printel at his instance, and he had proposed the
ptintieg of them because ie his opinion they appeared .
in their very terms to afford reasons for the insertion
of the clause in this 11;11 particularly. It was true
that the ciaus, had been usually omitted ; but co that
omission he had never leeett a party. He did net
mean at presnit, however, to insist on the general
proposition that all these Bills ought to contain such
A clause. Their Lordships had often omitted it in
he face .1 their own *handing Order; and therefore,
with his limited experience and weight in that House,
he only now argued, that whatever might have been
done in other cases. the clause clearly ought to, re-
main in this Bill. The foundation and object or their
Lordships' Standing Order were, as he understood,
'to prevent that encouragement to immorality which
I might' be held out bythe prospect of an intermarriage
between the offending parties, in consequence of their
own misconduct. Now it ippeared to him that the
present case was precisely one of that description
which peculiarly called for the application of that
sort of guard which their Lordships had provided :
for he was convinceJ, from these letters, that the
prospect and promise of marriage were the means by
which the seduction had been accomplished.. One
of these letters, which appeared to have been written
before the fact—(No, no)—Well, thathvas matter of
inference and argument, and their Lordships would
jadge.lor themselves. None of' the letters were dated,
but, in that to which he referred, the person with
whom she had offended called himself her husband.
The expressions were—" Can my love think herself
happy without her own dear, dear husband?" And
then, in another letter, the following expressions oc-
curred—" If iny beloved wife, . for such you really
are, should condemn me to years of absence, you will
find me thiesame. I swear, by AL:et:here GOD, no.
thing shall prevent our being united by the solemn
,ties of the Church." Now, what interpretation could
their Lordships put upon this, except chat her scruples
arose from an apprehension that she might be desert-
-ed ? She was found living with her husband without
any strong attachment for him, and was under these
circumstances persuaded to leave him.; and unless
their Lordships were prepared to encourage a,species
of immoraiity of the worst kind, 'they would not
agree to omit this clause. He had always conceived
that the reason why the clause had been omitted in
other Bills was, because it was not likely that the
parties would marry : but in tite prreisze 6
t ceats:ee„wnhtieriee
it appeared that the hope i
et a m ar
offending parties was the eircumstanceavhich led to
the commission of the crime, the clause ought
un-
doubtedly to be inserted.
The Bishop of CHESTER decidedly approved of
what had been said- by the Noble Lord who spoke
last, and had never performed his public duty with
a stronger conviction that he acted rightly than in
supporting the proposition for retaining this clause.
The Earl of CARNARVON looked at the subject
in the general view in which he thought these ques.
tions ought to be considered. If there was a defect
in the law as it stood: that defect oust* to be rem-

flied by a general enactment, and not by a particular
!louse insetted in particular Bills. He objected to
She retention in the Bill of this clause 'upon certain
points ; in the case of duelling, fur instance, the opi-
nions of men of honour would be mach more attended
to than the laws. In the most distinguished plare
and period of gallantry, the Court of Loath the 15th
of France, if a law had been made that the parties
offending in this manner should eel/er marry, that
law would have been a subject of ridicule : but il
there bad been a law passed, compelling the patties
to marry, and providing tli.tt witness r seduced a
married woman should take tie place of the'
there would have beet an end of the gallantry--
But the Noble Lord said that there was collusion be-
tween. the parties in this instance, and :hat the offence
had been committed with the view of their interinar-
eiage. This proposition was made to rest on certain
expressions in these letters, from which the inference
was deduced, that the engagemznt to many had
preceded the commission of the offence. These let-
ters, however, had no dates, and the expressions did
not, in his opinion, afford any ground for the
rence. The object, it was said, was to pretreat int-
Morahty : but, instead of preventing immorality, the
iniroduction of these clauses only seived to inflict the
vetest punishment on the female, and to give ion.
toothy to the libertine. The morality which would
be produced by such clauses only amounted to this—
. that the offence would be committed, and continued
to be communed, in secret. In these cases the most
desirable result for the husband would be, that the
wife s:muld openly declare her offence, and leave him,
iostead ot remaining with him, and suffering him to
he the reputed father of a spurious issue. It their
Lords!,ips were to convert themselves into ethics on
levedetier,, t ley would have a difficult and no very
dignified task to perform : but the letters, with one
exceptioe, were only those produced on one side—the
letters which the husband brought forward to sup-
port his case. It was °a this ex parte evidence that
their Lordships were called upon to retain this clause.
From the only letter produced as having been written
by the Lady, it did not ow-1r very likely that she
sitould have acted upon a cold calculating chance ot
a future marriage with her lover ; and yet such was
the evidence on which their Lordships were called
upon to pi-towline,: on her the doom of perpetual pro-
stitution But it was on the general gi toted particu-
larly that he was desirous of testing his objection to
tins clause. If the law, as it stood, Lei:limed remedy,
teat remedy should be applied by a general law. and
n ,t by the insertion of special chases in particular
Bibs. If they departed from ti.e usual course of
their proceedings, they ought at any rate to have
stronger grounds flor it than existed in this instance.
Earl STANHOPE said, that them were in tarn
daily prayers certain words which must of course be
well known to the Bishops—o Lead us not into
temptation, but deliver us from evil :" but the prin-
ciple of those Vic, contended for the retention of this
-clause would require a change in the wolds, which
taught, upon their principle, to stand thus--‘, Lead
us into temptation, and deliver us not from evil."
The LO RD CHANCELLOR recommended it
to the House to consider whether they had not them-
selves been holdicg out enconragement to this species
of immorality, by their inattention to this clause on
former occasions. It bad long ago appeared to him
Ant a little remarkable, that in Bills enabling the
husband to marry again—to become tenant by the
courtesy—there should have been no provision as to
tht marrying or not marrying of the offending wife.
The object of this clause was not to lead into tempta-
tion without delivering from evil, but to disarm
temptation, and so delivet from evil. Such was the
d.:sign of the staaeiiug order, and of the introduction
to these clauses. He did not pretend to be much
versed in the rules either of that sort of honour, or
that sort of fashion, to which a Noble Earl had re-
terred: but the real state, of the matter was this.—
th i at, n most cases of this kind which 'came before)
them, the object of the adultress appeared to have
been a marriage with the adulterer; and yet this
clause had always been- omitted, except in one ease,
wtare incest was added to adultery. It was well
worth their Lordships' consideration, whether, by
the r inattention to this clause, they had not themselves
v_ry much contributed " to lead into temptation."—
It was for their Ler.Aships to determine how they
should act in this instance ; but, with whatever per-
maid regret he did it, he could not help declaring,
that in looking at these letters, he could not disen-
gage his mind' from the impression that the offence
'was committed in consequence of a previous promise
.01 marriage.
The clause was then negatived without a division.
Lord KENYON said, that sufficient notice had
not been before given of the intention to propose that
ties clause should be continued in the Bill ; and he
therefere gave notice, that on the third• reading he
sheold again move that the clause be inserted and
continued in the Bill.—Report on Monday.
1“1811 LANI`LORD AND TENANT*? DILL.
The Earl ef LIMERICK moved, that the Irish
Landlord and Teaantellill be committed.
After 6:•rtie obstrvations by Earl STANFIOPE, Lord
tioLLAND, and Lord REDLIDALII, the Bill was cent-
snitttd ; and an amendment soggtsted by Lori Its-
tor cootining the remedy 'of susasmary eject- '
mem to the iintoediiite landlord *dans occupying te-
nant, was ago east to. Tee Chairman theoreperted
progress. and obtained leave to sit again oil Tr.
ship )rd RaDESDALZ ttadertaking to grough
the Bill privately, and introduce what should appear
to him to be the popes amendment.
Lord 'tOLLAI' gave notice, that he should
propose his questions on the subject of the Alien Bill
on Weinesday.—Adjaurned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS)
The Metropolis Pavia; Bill went through the Canunittee.—•
Wort to be considered us Monday se'rudght. •
Two Petitions were presented from Kelm—one-from the ha-
tter-dealers, and the other from the pririt-rtisrehatiu, at..
A Petition was presented from Peretanee weepecting the Poor

Ite Local Poor bill wu reed a third time.
The Waterford Ilarilur Bill went through the Committee...—
Report on Monday. •
Mr. SHAW 4.IIFLITRE presented a Petition from the ParWs-
toners of St. George's, Hanerer-wpare, on the subject of the new
Street and sewer.
ciejca. t ONSILOW brought up the report of the Fraudulent
pcvises'Bili—to herald a third time on Monday.
'fbe Antentan Convention Amendment Sid was ordered to
he committed on Monday.
'1 he House went lute a Committee OD the Acts respecting
liolikollidloods So;
kjej.ROUISbOI4 abtalijd kat to bring in a Sill to re

and J
gulalbraattathore. Om*: oflaeeirin killerfunlikanct
In an.wer to* question from Mk. BROUGHAM. Mr. F.
New.
touts-
sots thus last year 6,000 persons went treat Ireland trt
uncland. The Bill was brought-up and read .1 tiro lime.
Mr. BROUGHAM brought up the Report of the Committer
on Education. 'lthir labours, he said, might not be terminated
Ibis ses.sou. •
A new writ was ordered for Cation, la Vie rowtt of Sir W.
Congrore4 who has accepted the Chiltern Hundred,.
The Lottery Dill was read a third time.
CORONERs' BILL.
Oil the motion that the Coroners' Bill be read a
second time,
Mr.. SHAW LEFEVRE objected to the Bill, on
the grounds of the general distress 'of the country)
and of the hurry with which the Bill was brought in,
and which did not allow the people to petition against
it. lie thought the present salary sufficient, as was
evident by the late contest for the situation in Mid.
dleses, wh cost the candidates at least 02000. lie
moved, asks
amendment, that the Bill be read this
day iii months.
'Mr. G. LANGTON supported the amendment.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM found a general sentiment
throughout the country in favour of this Bill. There
were parts in Curiberland and Westmoreland where
the Coronets uvre obliged to go fifty and sixty miles
to hold an lbquest, at a rate of salary which was
filed 70 years hack. In many pans of the kingdom
&Coroner's Inquest could not be obtained at ail. He
therefore hoped the Bill would not be postponed.
Mr. J. SMlTHrwould agree to increase the sala-
ries of some Coroners, but not of all indiscriminately,
and leave it to the Magistrates to judge when and
where the increase was necessary. lie thought, there-
fore, that the Bill should not pass in us present shape.
Mr. SWANN supported the 8.11.
After a few words from Mr. CuawaN, General
THORNTON, and Mr BROUGHAM, 10r the Amend.
ment, and from Sir CHARLES DURRELL, Sir ions COI
HIPPIFLRT, Mr. MANNEIts :..iurroN, Mr. ROSE, Mr.
W. Sailru, and Sir JA‘:Es GUAIi.III, in tavour of the
original twition, the House divided, when the nuth.
bets were—Fos the Amendniviit 19—Against it 79
--Nllosity In tavour of the Bill 60.—The Bill was
then read a second tuns.

SILVER COMM.
On the motion that toe Silver Coinage Bill be read
a second time
lord A. HAMILTON said, that the value of the
Fold was much higher that that of silver, that it must
induce the nieltiiig down f the gold. He spoke at
some length on the profits of the Bank from the is-
suing of Bank tokens, and thought that the public
should be protected against the loss which would arise
from the refusal of the present silver circulation. He
did not see how, without very great difficulty and
mach in.lividual suffering, the present currency could
be called in aad the new substituted.
Mr. ROSE allowed the difficulties that we:uld arise
from calling in the silver currency at present in cir-
culation, but argued that such a measure should ne.
cessatily take place at some time or other, and the
present be thought the best. The Bank agreed to
take their tokens at the price at which they issued
them, and therefore thee could be no objection on
that point.
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS thought that there
should be a 20s. gold coinage issued instead of the
21s. gold coinage. It would much simplify the ac.,
counts arid dealings of the country. The expense of
the coinage of £500,000 of such gold pieces at pre.
sent could be of no consequence, as a nelv coinage
of gold should take place in probably a short time.
He, however, thought the present a very unfavourable
lime for a new coinage of silver, as while the Bank
Restriction Act was continued, the convenience
would not justify the expense. He was of opinion
that the consequence would be the melting down of
file geld and the sending of it out of the country.—
At any rate a gold coinage ought to be issued simul.
taneously with the silver, as the difference between
the value of gold now and in the time of King Wit.
ham was but 91 an ounce.
Mr. GRENFELL argued. that instead of a profit
to the Bank, the issue of tokens would necessarily be'
a considerable loss. He gave his decided approba.
don to the plan a the coinage. He, however, mold
wish that there were 20s. gold pieces issued:
Lord A. HAMILTON explained.
Mr. SAMUEL THORN TON saw no objection ,
to the alteration of the gold currency to 20s. pieces. • '
Mr. W. POLE observed, that it the Noble Lord
bad attended the Committee, he would have heard
his statements, in which he (Mr. W. Pole) took up
considerably the time of the House. The Noble
Lord's objections were not to the principle, but to
the details. which would be better discussed in a
Committee. He (Mr. W. Pole) had already de.
scribed the mode intended to be adopted by Govern-
ment respecting the bad coin scattered throdgh the
country. Government expected to provide a:2,500,000i
in silver coin in seven months, and measures were
taken, with the assistance of the Bank, to make is.
sues all over the country, for which proper persons
were to be app•inted. There would be ne great
difficulty in ending persons to decide what was title
and what was false coin, and in giving a liberal con.
struction to the whole operation of the measure. A
great deal of French coin had lately come into the
country, which the people, hearing of the new coin.l
age, refused: but how was that to be prevented ?
Could Government take all the coin that had been
thrown in by smugglers? If this measure were post-
poned twelve months, the difficulties would be in.
creased. Government he'd received much assistance
from the Bank. There had been particular instances
of distress, but less so than was believed. He thought
that no man should be obliged to go more than fifteen
miles to change his coin; and ingaiiies were making
to adopt regulations for that purpose, which he ex-
pected would be found practicable. The new coinage
would be six per cent. less in value than the old cuin-
age when first issued. He believed that when. the
Inew coinage was issued, the tokens would be brought
back to the Bank, which would sustain a loss. kle
thought the question as to coining 20s. gold pieces
deserved consideration. Our coinage in 1774 he
believed the mast accurate of any coinage known.
The Committee on the Coin, seeing all balances cal-
culated in gold, leafed to discredit the present coin
in exchanges,, and recommended a silver coinage and
a gold standard : not thinking it desirable to change
•be denomination, which would also be very expen-
sive. The late Lord Liverpool calculated, when be
rote his treads* in 1805, on 00,000,000 ; but be
(Mr. W. Pole) could ant believe there was now any

• tie ben te •trt •
n
thing kite. that %identity. An gonotri t
had uid there was dot abole 46500,000 in gu;neas,
exclusive of what the Bank bad. He should cer-
tajitly recommend the Committee on Coin to eonii
Jer 'the subject of gold tlOs. pieces. Et would also
he desirable t.i assimilate the Irish to the English
currency. Coin representing the pound might be of
much importance. He believed the whole operation
could be carried through without great
Mr. Ds GIDDY spoke in favour of the Bill, but;
he thought no person should` be armed. with the
power of refusing. at discretion, the silver coin at
present in circulation. Ile very minli approwd
of
the intention of issuing twenty-s!Alling gold pieces.
He thought Government was giving a pleuge of !heir
intention of resuming a specie circulation on.the ex-
piration of the present Bank Restriction B:11.
Mr. CROKER wished for an asi,imilation in the
weights of gold, silver, *and copper, as at present they
were different, and formed an anomaly discreditable
to the country. He thought it would be of advan-
tage to imitate the example of France with regard to
our coinage. The revolution of France rendered it
easy to cl.euge the coittage in that c'mntry, and cer-
tainly the cFalige herd titen productive of much be-
nefit; for klorr:, with much evil that revolution had
been productive of much good. lie concluded with
recommending the plan of decimal arrangements in

the coin.
Mr. BARING agreed wit.% the Hon. Gentleman
who just sat down, tf►at the presen► was the best time
for making a complete arrangement of the coin of
the country. He was well satisfied that a coinage of
gold pieces, at 20s. each, wonli be of great advan-
tage, but thought the decimal division of silver would
be attended with a confusion to the lower orders of
the people, which would more than counterbalance
any advantage. He hoped the proposed division of
the pound troyes of silver would not leave too great
a value in the shilling, which might induce perms'
to export it from the country. He would have pre-
I'erred a division into 613 or 70, instead of one of 66
puts. They would, however, gain considerably in
having a gold coin of 20s. and he hoped they might
also have one of 10s. and one of ss. to supersede the
division of 7s. which ever• seemed to him extremely
awkward. He ridiculed the idea of having recourse
to scientific principles in establishing weights and
measures, in which he conceived nothing more was
necessary than general assent.
Mr. CROKER, in explanation, stated, that so far
was the-decimal division of slyer from creating ary
difficulties, that in Ireleud nuthing else was used for
a consideralle time thou pieces of ten.pence and five-
pence. He begged leave to state a fact respecting
the attempt to filet a metre in nature, which wa,
that the Frunch, who boasted of having grin./ to so
much trouble and expense to find one, had net pa-
tience to wait to here the arch of the merHian mea-
sured, but made a guess at the admeesurement, end
sulsstituted what they called a provisional arch, e I►ich
WAS the standird since of all the weights and tnea-
sores in the country.
Mr. HAMM ERSLEY conceived a decimal di-
vision altogether unnecessary.
Mr. J. P. GRANT thought they should not un-
derteke a new coinage while the restrictions on cash
payments by the Bank continued. He thought the
present time also unfit, as the expense must be very
great. He lamented that silver should not continue
to be the standard value in this country, particularly
as it was the measure of value all over Europe. With
respect to what Lord Liverpool said, that in every
rich country gold must be the standard, and that in
England there existed a passion for gold in prefe-
rence to silver, such an opinion must be received with
great diffith:nce, by any person who considered that
in this country all great payments must be made in
paper as long as we continued our personal credit.
Mr. MARRY AT observed, that when he was in
France a few months ago, the Director General of the
Mint gave him such an account of the number of
English Guineas which had been melted down, that
he was astonished any should still remain in the hands
of the Bank, or any where else. He believed; while
the Bank retained its present high credit, we should!
be more atttached to paper than to gold.
The Bill was then read a second time. Upon the
question that it should be committed,
Mr. GRENFELL rose, and expressed his appro-
bation of what had fallen from the Right Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. W.Pole) with respect to the coinage
of 20s. pieces instead of '2ls. At the same time he
recommended that the expense of coinage should be
taken out of the weight of the gold.
Mr. W. POLE was sorry to say, that he totally
differed from the Honourable Gentleman on the last
point. He thought it would be attended with consi-
derable injustice, and ought not to be adopted. Sup-,
pose, for example, he had to pay the Honourable
Gentleman a rent of forty-four guineas and a helf,
which contained a pound troy of standard gold : row
if he could pay it in the following year in only a
grain less, he would lessen the value of the Honour-
able Gentlemen's property.
Mr: BANK ES hoped, that if the plan of his Hon.
Friend could not be effected in the manner which he
had proposed, some other way would be devised. If
the pieces were made so exact, the moment the mar•
ket price was lower, they would be malted down, and
the expense of recoiniug them would be very consi.
derable.
Mr. HUSKISSON felt himself bound to mate cne
fact in opposition to this measure. In every other
nation of Europe, a brassage was allowed ;• but there
was this peculiar circumstance in the coin of our
country, that on the smallest diminution of its weight
it ceased to have currency. He contended therefore
that it would be more advantageous to maintain the
coin in a state of perfection.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH lamented the extreme
difficulty of preventing the loss which must fail on a
vast number of persons when the new silver coinage
appeared. He feared that the greater part of those
persons were not in a situation to bear the loss; and
although he was not prepared to propose a remedy,
he hoped the subject would receive that consideration
'to which it was entitled.
The bill was then ordered to be committed on
Monday next.

STAGE COACHEI4
The ATTORNEY GENERAL gave notice, that
on blonday next he should move for leave to brink.
in a bill to amend the act for the better preservatio%
of the lives of his Majesty's subjects who travelled io
stage coaches. Stveral genderueu had made com.

' seilijecptuinia:ihdn aims:thin toiaats.
ininniacwat:°dilisd nooltilininfiticittisut:flfeient pllflifUllenteof7.th:
drivers, his principal object would be te eye ma 7
trates power to itiffct corporal
of gross neglect. A case had recently appeared ce:
which two drivers were rennin., a rice, andae,„4
accident having occurred, one of'
them was fineas2Rl -101.
This cum the propriiiisehtroorprapciomenonentnet.dttil,eiltteinliospwainiindifsdpvatilk2srmh)ll
necessary, e, to amend the law in the
voeur t
to
ri renew
etbest
ri
enhisdedar
which he had suggested ; and he hopedreiti.w:douhieridgilailthplsi
ceive the sanction of the House- (neer, hair.) re•
The House havincr resolved itself into gem:see*
of Supply,
Mr. BANKES brought forward his piromaribsedles,
tine on this subjec. He began by
House of the efforts he had always made to save the
public money ; but that Hoese had at all times, out
under every pressure, readily given money fee the
,promotion of the Arts and of Literature.
dowse Manuscripts, and the ToweleianM
been purchased for the nation some years sr, eiti.
out any opposition on tbe.prahretseofotibinegsHopun:ed La,t
that
year a large sum was voted for a National Menu.
ment to commemorate the immortal victory et pia
terlon, although the country could hive done with:
out such a Monument.
the House was never niggardly in promoting objects
of National Glory. He wished new to call the at.
tendon of the House to a single City, %%Nell luau.
cient times had risen to the highest pitch of glory
and splendour under the rule of one greatitiematinou.-.ie
The House had now to choose whether it was to
'convert to National purposes, the valuable antivities
obtained from that City, whose splendour was long
since gone. The only question then, if
agreed in his general position, was, at what price
should these Marbles be obtained ? He %Lee • ld
put
it to those Gentlemen of literature who heard
whether it was not a matter of National impotence
to cultivate articles of good taste, and prriave
good models, as the best means of preserving the
Arts, and preventing them from living tor/tiptoe-
It was a total neglect of this very kind that gave ri.e
to the most barbarous taste that prevailed in all mkt
of art after the decline of the XO!Iltill Empire and
during all the Gethic ages. [ Übe Flonourehle Gee
tleman then alluded to the attacks which had Item
made on Lord Elgin for the manna in eitich he oh.
(eine.] those antiquities, and defended him on that
point.] No complaint or remonstrance was made
by the acting Ga,vernment of Athens at the timeener
Lad tiny disapprobation been menifeued since that
time, relative to the conduct of Lord Elgin. Indeed
invectives had been•circulated against him in poet
and o.yfrlC ; yet the business had created no adverse
sensation either among the Greeks or Turks, all of
whom Waked upon the proceeding with perfect is.
once. Such indifference did not certainty exist
on ail occasions, because it appeared by the evidence
of Lord Aberdeen, that great oppositin had been
made by the country people in the Tread to the open-
ing of a temb supposed to have once contaiia4 the
ashes of Patroclus or Ajax. But in the case in ques.
tion there was no sensation in the city of Athens, the
people of which rejoiced at the idea of so much ner.ey
getting among them, instead of expressing any dis-
pleasure. Therefore there was no spoliation such as
had taken place when Bonaparte pillaged the reposi-
tories of art in Italy and other countries. A notion
prevailed that still those monuments ought not to have
been taken away, and that they ought to be restored.
Was it meant to say that they were public property?
If so, to whom did they belong ? and if they were to
be sent back, must not the expense of giving com-
pensation to the individual, and of sending them
back, he greater than the present purchaseemoney
now proposed to be paid for them ? Were they to
be sent back to a people who neither wanted nor
cared about them? Who disposed of them, and
had been in the habit of destroying them? Was
it not better, then, to preserve the whole of these
valuable relics of ancient splendour 'from farther di-
lepidation ? He wished, however, to lay aside every
consideration as to the motives for bringing those
max bles away from Athens. Here they now were, and
the question would be, whether they ouglit to be made
the property of the nation ? As to the value of the
works, that was a thing that depended much on oit•
nion, and sometimes on caprice. As models of peo
fectione however, they were by the bete artists cone
dered as invaluable ; and they thought that the stun
proposed to be given was farbelow their intrinsic value.
.4'hey might altogether be considered as much more
valuable than the Townleian Collection, for which
twenty thousand pounds had been given. In Italy
antiquities had been found in various parts by exca-
vations, but, in general, ilepeifeet and disfigured
but here there was the siagular privilege Allowed es
of taking away the whole of a very b, au collec-
tion, and were they to be stilt hack again to a coun-
try which had allowed us to tat:it them and knewnot
bow to value them ? Tire Honourable Member con-
cluded by moving—" the sum not exceeding
£35,000 be appropriate:. for the purchase ui the 1.0
gist Marbles for his Majesty."
Mr. CURW EN should oppose the motion of tig
llon. Gentlemen, for lie leirnselt had allowed that no
time could be more inconvenient for such a vote do
at present. The Honourable Gentleman had grin
upon a monument for the soldiers who fell at W 3"
100, and bad supported the metion for its erecen
but even there he was of a daft-eat opinion Irons t'•
Hon. Member, for no monuntent could cummeine
rate the glory of those troops more durable awl
grateful recollection of the people for whom they
fought. He was no enemy to the protectien of
Ge
Fine Arts, but he did think that such a waste of
pub
lic money was a tel:er. of their decline.
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The, Hon. Mr. WARD supported the mole,.
his Honourable Friend, for the very reason that ex
principle was not violated. He had the greatest re.
spect for the modern Greeks, indeed they might be.
considered almost as the descendants of individeat
treat anon, but he would remind the House that these
monuments,
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