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London, England, 1827-05-12 00:00:00

and InAmery to enter Into prospective as well m retidepftive gado
mates, and to lay before the Home a statement wiricit mould he at
all satisfactory to them, before the Tarimd which he had Axed—
(Loud cheers). Then estimates bore no immediate teferente to
the general statement; and although the opening of the general
statement early in the year, as hid been the custom of Ms Noble
Friend (Viscount Goderich) was a very proper plan, sad one that
he should always endeavour to adopt, yet It must be reediected that
• that custom was of a very late origin, and that what he should call
the consent and uniform course of that House was not to bring
forward the general statement until all the supplies had been dia.
pueed of. He was quite sure that Gentlemen conversant with the
practice of that ileuee would concur with him In saying, that that
bad been the usual mode of preeeeding ; and he therefore begged
the Hoo. Member for Montrose to recolket that he/Mr. Canning)
did not ask him to violate any parliamentary form in withiltatving
his opposition for the present.
Colonel DAVIT S 'bought the reasons which had been ardgeed
for going into the Committee were satisfactory. The Right Hon.
Gentleman had certainly a very arduous task to perform, and he
did not see how It was possible for him to execute it before the
period which he had heed. At the same time be must be allowed
to add, that it was the duty of that House, as the guardians of the
public purse, to see that AM ate shilling of the public money was
voted without there was a necessity for it. If the country was
plunged into any unnecessary expense, he thought Government was
far less to be blamed than that House, because it was the duty of
the latter to prevent it.
Lord HOWICK did not undervalue the difficulties in which
the Right Hon. Gentleman would be placed if now called upon to
glee any specific pledge um the financial measures hereafter to be
adopted. But it was fit that the House should know something of
the means of the country to support the expenditure before it voted
any further estimates. He was reluctant to obstruct or embarrass
the
_wation; but if the Honourable Member should press
the questjodto a division, he should feet bound to vote with him.
11.054 rm I LTON said, that when be gave it as his opinion that
the/Committee should be gone into, because opposing it might be
yOnstrued into an abandonment of Government, the Hon. Mem-
ber for Montrose must not suppose that he meant to desert him in
his endeavours to bring about an eesoasstical reformation. Neat to
the state of Ireland. he thought the state of the &moon of this
coubtry the most alarming object that presented itself to the mad.
duration of that House. He could not see without considerable
Anxiety and alarm so small a surplus as 1,000,0c01. over the expen-
diture of the country.
Mr. Ji UME said that there was a defierleoey instead of a surplus.
Lord MILTON said. that whether caned by the name of a sink-
ing fund. or by any other ride, he did not care. The result was
the same ; and as be understood the accounts, there was a sur-
plus of 1,000,0001.
Mr. Alderman WOODsald, that a great majority of his OM-
situates were in favoirs of the Right Himourabk Gentlemen's
Government, compared to that which preceded it. He bed WO
**Wit his intention to support the Right Honourable Outdone.d
by changing his seat in the House, for he really felt an attachment
for the place he bad so long occupied ; it suited him extremely well
—(Laughter). He cautioned the Right Hon. Gentleman not to
permit himself to lose his temper upon any occasion, notwithemode
log such language as had been uttered in another place, but which
*as not fit for any place-(Hear, hear). He had often heard of the
debates in the Common Council being coarse and vulgar, but the
language to which be alluded must have been gathered from anodua
celebrated place in the city, of which be would sot Meade* the
name. It skis quite at the eastern end of Loodon—(Hear, bear.
and laughter). He hoped that neither this language, nor =yds*/
else, which occurred in the same place bad inducd some of hie
lino. Friends, who had a few days ago gone over the way to re-
• tern to their former places this evening. lie presumed indeed that
their only reason for returning was, that there was so room for them
on the other side. He hoped his Hon. Friend, the Member for
Montrose, would not run the Right lion. Gentleman too hard
wpm the question of pounds, shillings, and pence, just at Slut. He
had only one fault to and with the Right lion. Gentleman, and that
was, his determined°n to appose Reform of Parliament and the
repeal et the Test Act. His declaration upon these subjects had
quite unnerved him, and b• was net very easily unnerved. Re gam
the Right Hon. Gentleman full medic for uprightness dim:embalm
• and hoped that the march of intellect would man comeedis his,
'and that he out be ambled to take views so millohimed ups
the subject of the Test Ace, as those of the Qty Atom* to wM
be had before alluded, and width, although composed principally st
Churchmen, bad remedy come to almost unanimous reminded.
against that Act. If this were the ease, the Right Hora. Geod►
man might rely open his one vote, and no influence. As to the
opponents with whom the Right Hoe. Gentleman would have to
cope, he need fear little from then,. It was only the loss of office
which made them angry and sore.
Sir R. WILSON explained what he understood to be the mean-
ing of his Right Honourable Friend (the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer). and in which. he fully concurred, with respect to the
Test sod Corporation Acts. The population of the country was
about eighteen millions. Of these, about eight millions were
subject to disqualifications on account of religion. To mikes
a portion of them from dkqualiheation would be to weaken the
cause of the remainder by diminishing the aggregate of discontent ;
therefore it was that be understood his Right lion. Friend to say,
that in the Interest of Catholic Emancipation he would oppose the
repeal of the Test Act, and in this sentiment he, zealous as he was
Its the cause of religious liberty, folly concurred.
Mr. S. WORTLEY put it to the Hon. Members, whether they
would not more effectually serve the Administration by discoo-
doubts this desultory discussion than by prolonging it?--(Cheers.)
After a few words front fir. (hies, the House then resolved
itself into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. BANK ES moved that the sum of 49,877 be granted to his
Majesty to defray the expense of the litilsh bluseum
Mr. R. COLBORNE wished for information as to the progress
of the new buildings, and expressed his hope that whenever a Na-
dotal Gallery was built in a proper central situation, the statues now
in the Mutinous would be placed in the Gallery.
Mr. BAN KITS observed, that with respect to the arrangements
for the National Gallery, the question might be snare properly an-
swered by his Right Hon. Friend than hinted'. A new wing was
neatly completely at die Museum for the reception of the King's
library and of the iteelpteree. It would be improper to remove the
latter from the Museum, as it was contrary to the intention of the
donors, and could only be done under the authority of an Act of
Parliament, which would be a very strong measure.
Mr. HUME objected to tke immodest sum allotted to the
Clerks of the British Museum, whose salaries (€7,768) were
yearly istrfenlinge end could only be checked by the House being a
standard of salary.
Mr. BA N KES said the increased salaries was owing to the in-
creased number of act-nuts required by the extended freedom of
admission to the Public.
Mr. AIABERLY thought all these matters would form a sob-
jeet of consideration for the Committee, to the appointment of
which the Right Honourable Gentleman stood pledged to the
House and the country.
Mr. HUME was glad of the Intended Committee, but still
thought the House should not let the present vote pass over without
inquiry, lest there should be another Right Hon. Gentleman to the
place of the present First Lord of the Treasury—(Laughter).
After a few words from Ileum. Human anal T. Gummy, the
Resolution was agreed to.
Mr. HERRIFS then moved that £91,000 be granted for the
Civil contingencies of the cut rent year. The House would bear in
mind that ,200,000 had already been granted, on ammo of Civil
Services, the pre ent vote was to complete the grant.
Mr. RUNIC complained of the absence of all economy in the I
Civil Department. There was 340,0001. for Ambassadors, and
100,0001. fur Consuls, an expense exceeding that of the whole Civil
Government of America. There was an item of 1,9681. to the
Minister of Columbia, for signing some ratifications—fur a tool-
box he believed—an act in violation of the Columbian Constitution,
which was that of the United States?
• Mr. CANNING assured the Honourable Member that he was
not aware of the provision of the Colombian_Constitutinn to which
he had referred; and lie further assured him that there was no
corruption in the transaction.
blr. IiUNIE said, that we acted the part of the tempter, and
Inculcated oor own bad practices upon others.
Mr. CANNING said, that if the present were returned in con-
s. qaesice of this conversation, he would he sati.dled ; the lion.
G.citieman might rely upon its being bronto to account.
Mr. HUMS then proceeded to censure several of the other
hems. The expenditure on account of the free blacks in the island
of Berbice, the payment of 1,0501. to Sir G. Nayler, for carrying
over a bauble to a Foreign Court ; the charge of 4391. for sending
ribbon over to France ; and the allowance of 1,2661. to Sir IL
Chester, in lieu of per tentage upon the presents formerly made by
hit Majesty to Foreign Ministers and Ambassadors, were severely
commented on • The lion. 'Member also objected to the outlay for
amuses fur the Bishops of Jamaica and Baroadnes, and for schools
in them islands ; expenses which ought in his opinion to have been
sustained by the Colonies. The plate sent out tor the service of
the churches in the West ladles was an ofikious throwing away of
the public nitiool-
mr. odd, as the speech of the Hon. Member was
only ,eels to the my of adatonition. be would not reply' to all us
deada. The plasm to hir R. Chester was no additional charge.