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tioa don foe the present. lie concluded by moving;
the notice of motion be postponed until after
the holidays. •
Mr. GRANT said, that he felt it his duty to con-
firm the statement made by the Honourable MeMbes
as to the meritorious and exemplary conduCt of dm;
highly respectable body, the Roman Catholic Clergy
of lrelaud. Their duties were in many places most
arduous, and he bad reason to know, that they dis-
charged them with an active fidelity, often at the,
hazard of their lives; when• most efforts were made
to disturb the peace of the community, their ester._
tions uniformly repelled sorb attempts; and it lime
not the lower classes of the Clergy only who won so
employed—every where the same loyal and dam.
mined spirit was displayed by the Prelacy, who were
not more distinguished by their rank, than by their
unwearied energies in diffusing the love of peace and
good order—(Keer, hear).—He (Mr. Grant) Cps,
sidered himself chargeable with the tranquillity of.
Ireland, but he confessed he could not have so latql
cessfully maintained it, were it not that the Qithelic
Clergy had given him their zealous, patriotic, -and,
Christian co-operatien--(ffier, hear).
The notice of motion was then postponed.
TUE TIVANCIS.
Mr. MABERLY, in rising pursuant to his notice,
stated, that his reason for moving that .certain do-
cuments connected with the Finances of the Country.
should be produced, was the necessity which he con-
ceived existed that those papers should now be laid on
the table of the House, in order that there might As.
full time for their consideration between the periodA
the adjouromout and the re-assembling of the Howe";
He bad hoped that the Right Honourable Gentleman.
opposite would have made no objection to their pro-•
duction, but he regretted to find that that *as not to
be the case with respect to some of them and should,
therefore move for them separately, in the hope that
he should learn from that Right Hon..Qentleman
the nature of his objections. He then moved for " An
account of the net amount of the Revenue of the
United Kingdom, from the sth of January; 1819, to
the 10th of October 1819, distinguishing each Quar-
ter, and separatin;lreland from Great Britain."
The CHANCEJ4LOR of the EXCHEQUER
should say no more on. the present occasion, than
that it was usual for an Honourable Member, when
making a motion, to state the grounds on which he.
proposed it tp the House. Did the Honourable Gen•
tleman only mean that the papers moved for should
be laid on the table before the adjournment, in order
to be taken into consideration immediately after the
recess? When the Honourable Gentleman consi-
dered that the close of the financial year was at hand,
when all accounts must be'made up, he would pro-
bably be disposed to wait till after the recess, when
he could bare the whole produced together, whilst
they would now only come down to the 10th of Oc-
tober. To the production of the present Return he
had no objection. The motion having been agreed to,
Mr. MABERLY said,' that he was aware that if
be had waited till after the adjournment, the ac-
counts would have been produced in a more regular
order. But the Right Honourable Gentleman knew.
'very well, that the appropriation accounts were not
laid on the table before the 15th of March. They
were afterwards ordered to be printed, and it fro-
quently happened that Members could not see theta.
till the Session was nearly over. The Speaker, with
that attention to the wishes and convenience of Mem-
bers, for which he was so highly distinguishes's—
( Hear, Aso rl)—zhad caused the printing of Male to,
be hastened at his request last Session, and he took
this opportunity of returning his sincere thanks.—
But if the usual course were adopted, the House
would not be able to discuss the state of the Finances
till a very late period of the year. He should ask
the Right Honourable Gentleman whether it would
be proper to postpone so important an investigation
at a time when the situation of the country was so
unsettled and alarming? He should now move tor
" An account of the amount received from the New
Duties imposed in July, 1819, to the latest period at
which the said could be made up, distinguishing
each Duty."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
should propose an Amendment to this motion, limit-.
in g the making up of the Return to the 10th of Oc-
tober, because all accounts were complete up to that
period. The House must be aware, that the pay-
ments of the Revenue were received with a certain
degree of irregularity, which renderrd it impractica-
ble to judge of the produce of the whole Quarter from
a part. Now, he took the object of the Honourable
Member to be, the ascertaining what inferences could
be deduced from the produce of the new Taxes.--
That object would be better attained by having com-
plete statements to the 10th of October, than by .
partial returns to a later periOd. He had expected
that the Honourable Gentleman would have given
something like a general statement of the object he
had in view,. but no information of, that kind had as
yet been afforded to the House. With respect to the
present motion, he thought it would be as well to
confine it to the produce of the Excise Duties, as it
would be very difficult, if not impracticable, within
the time, to dissect the fractional parts of the new
Custom Duties from the general produce of -those
'Duties. He should therefore propose as an Amend-
ment, That the Return should be limited to the 10th
of October, and should merely distinguish the Cus-
toms from the Excise Duties.
Mr. MABEitLY had said, in a concise manner,
that he thought those Papers necessary before it was
possible to inquire into the state of the Finances, in
order that that state should be well understood. It
would be impracticable for the House to enter into
such an investigation if it had no facts on its table.
He therefore trusted that he had sufficiently ex-
plained his motive, though not in a long speech. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had calculated on the new
Duties being productive, and no one had more re-
juiced than he had done at the statement put forth
slit night respecting the Revenue. The Right Hon..
asmihmian bad relied, last year, on raising a total of
£3,190,000 by means of those new Duties, viz.
£500,000 from the consolidation of the Customs,

fromzids. udes.„ He had, be- .relent,/ with a view to the resumption of COI
ELOtlepo 4;04 the Cuatonir tii merits. It might not be unnecessary for him •
whole,'themefore, now formed a 3-few remarks and explanations on the former
varied `stibject, and he wished to lea.' especially after the incredulity which had
of the produce of every branch, in expressed by Gentlemen on the other ade, •
order i, .ain what probability there. was of sarcasms and misrepresentations which low ,
being able to realize the £9,190,000.
Hewasaware sorted to out of the House, to induce a belief ,
of the objection which the Right Hon. Gentleman failure of the Revenue, and depress the public
might start; be might say that many of those Duties on questions of the utmost consequence. The
did not come in till the 10th of October. The new I was well aware of llie falling off during ti e
Malt Duty was not paid in till the middle of Nuaem.! ending on the 10th of Oct& ber, when cornpi,e,
ber ; but at all events something mug have come.inlthe corresponding Quarter of last year. In ••
betweenahe monthkof July and December. He had toms alone, it had amounted to £960,00;
understood, indeed, that little had come in on the :other branches which he particuiatized, to
new Duties, or if they had been productive, that the sums, making a total deficiency of £1.1.51,,_
old Duties had almost entirely fallen off. If News- House would oft that-the greatest portico of
paper accounts were to be mentioned in that House, frecation was in the item of Customs ; and the
the Customs had fallen off, between July and Octo- several circumstances which led to this rep;
,ber, £900,000 or £1,000,000, and it was said, that had been well known, that there was to he a (
they continued to decrease at the rate of forty or, dation of the Custom Duties to the sth of hi,
fifty thousand pounds per week. He therefore trusted consequently, every one who had goods, was '
that the House would not think it unnecessary to be to clear them by that date. The extra et:,
in possession of facts before •it came to a discussion ed- in the preceding quarter, naturally dins
on subjectoof that importance. With respect to the the amount of the next quarter. He ought
Amendment of the Right Hon. Gentleman. he did notice, as another reason, the great gip,
think his objectiori reasonable. It would certainly. the foreign trade. The Exports, in 1819, fell
be difficult to dissect the fractional parts of the new by £7,000,000 of the Exports in 1818, ai:d ti
Customs Duties from the rest.
.He should therefore ports of necessity fell off in a similar proporti, r.
agree to the Amendment, but he hoped, that it would he was prepared to state, as his firm conviction,
remain open for him to move, after the Recess, "That there was nothing alarming in these circL
the Returns should be made from the 10th of Octo- It was not by the Customs, which applied
,
,ber to that period"--(Hear, hear, hear). real operations, ,but to the Excise, which .
The CHANCEI-LOR of the EXCHEQUER said, internal consumption, thal they were to look
he should certainly not object to the production of criterion of the Nation's prosperity. In tl,e
the Returns at-that time, when the whole of the there seemed to be no diminution, and this
financial year would have closed. He should now that the actual consumption of the county;
only state, that down to the. end of the month of great as ever, than which there could be I
November, the whole amount of the old Duties had sign of its welfire. With leave ,if the Hot
'seen something less than £l,OOO under the produce would lay before it a short statement on thi,
of the corresponding Quarter in the preceding Year, comparing the average consurryien of the
and that the new F..icise Duties had produced' the years, tip to 1818, with the consumption rim
sum of £236,000, £150,000 of which had been re- In the former the consumptiOn of Tea was...ihs lip
celved before the end of October, and the remainder In the latter 92.7.
Being an increase of
had since come in. Of baccoand Sff,
Tonu 8 ... 11.1 1,11,
Mr. TIERNEY suggested, that as weekly Returns 1519 ll-
iof the Revenue were made out for his Majesty's Go- Malt was not yet made up.
vemment, there would be no great difficulty in pro- Of•Bstadi and Irish Singes, me Gas. .5,
ducing the Accounts down to the period which was Oa . • .
Increaso
now proposed.. Of Wines, .111111 - . . ......,... ....... —......5at
Mr. HUSKISSON objected to the producticia of Imo .—..—......... ...... ..... ..... a;
such weekly Accouots, which, besides, had nothing Of Rum, rerif • 1,;
to do with the amestioribefore the House. ret9 • 1,4
Mr. TIERNEY wished to know how much money Of Brandy gird Geneva there was also an in,
bad been received upon the whole? The Accounts consumption; of Candles, to a considerable ay,
had long since been made up to the 10th of October, Leather, an increase of duty of £10,000; .1;:d
and published in all the Newspapers; what it was £12,000. These facts, in his opinion, net c:'
Important, to ascertain was, the amount of the re-
forded the best hopes of a steady Revenue, f
ceipts sincethat period. Had Parliament sat till the proved that the local distress (which no one mob
10th of January he should have been for giving up more than he did) had not affected the general
the present. Motion, as the Accounts might have forts of the People, since it was evident that
then been produced complete; but when the Right those things which were necessary to their
Ron. Gentleman had been putting forth his pleasing were consumed now than at any preceding
forebodings, he (Mr. Tierney) wished to see whether They also afforded much consolation for the
they rested on facts. With respect to the lupin failure in the Customs ; and before he conclud
he had to say on this subject he would mention
asked for, he considered them so much a matter of
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course, that with all his experience, he should not other item, the more satisfactory, as it also
have thought it improper to move for them with- an increased employment of the People,
out any precious notice. printed calicoes, on which the atigrnetaxion
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob- C 50,000. It further afforded him pleas;:-e to be
jected to furnishing the Accounts of a broken Quarter. to say, that since the 10th of October bt.th. the
Mr. TIERNEY—If the Right Honourable Gen- toms and the Excise had improved, .n.d ^aye ,
tleman objects to this, he will be exercising mote to expect that the produce ultima;el;: uculd
power than ever Mr. Pitt had.. equal to that of the largest year—(l-Ircr it '
Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that the Accounts not produce any statements to evidence this to
would be geoerally known to the whole Public by House, it was because any broken part of a
the meal means, on the 6th of January, whether the must be imperfect, and might lead to ct,.::le.
'House was sitting_or not. which would not be realized ; but the fact, to
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then present period, was as he had assured them;
stattlobwKihainpunt of the new Duties received to last Saturday the 'Revenue was only El,
up on nth of Mrember, was £l,OOO of the Duty short of the preceding year—(Hear). inv:rz
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an W 001.., and A/986,000 on the General Account. so much on the general subject of the Reven-
A.Maklaeit, who spoke from under the gallery, would now adiert to the specific motion of tl:e
objected to the upiutelligibility of the Public Ac- pourable Gentleman, for the Accounts relative ,
counts, and suggested that a Committee to regulate transactions between Government and el,! Bari
what grounds did the Honourable them would be as beneficial as one on the subject of
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economy.--The Motion, as amended, was agreed to, for inquiry into what was pending am! i,:cen
Mr. MABERLY proceeded to offer another of his Parliament had fixed a period within which i.,
series of Resolutions. The Loin of 1818 had been meet was to perform an engagement to the
made without any prevision for the payment of its which period expired on the sth of April rest
.interest: the Loan of 1819 was added to it. and the yet, in this premature way, the /knowable ..
joint amount reaching to nearly sixty millions, the men stepped in to demand an acccunt, as ii
'Chancellor of the Exchequer then thought it eve_ were any Imputation for not having done win
:client to lay on taxes for the payment of the interest, right and in good faith, on either part. 11
.which he calculated would produce 4190,000. conceived, ineconcileable with the principles rti
'Now, however, the House learned, that up. to the the Housewas accustomed to act. I% hen fors
10th of November these Taxes had brought nothing negotiations were in progress, and a Treazy
111110 re into the Exchequer than about £280,000. lit forming, Parliament never sanctioned any
therefore became, in his opinion, necessary to ascer
- Terence by the call for Papers, but rested en
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fain what was the amount of deficiency in the Con- sponsibility of the Ministers of
nolidated Fund ; which, he imagined, would be the C rown to cci
the act, and then answer for it. How much
found to be increased nearly five millions, from the then ought it to follow the same course with
dth of January last. The Bank, it would be recol
- to an operation of its own framing, the only dit,
lected, was to be paid a loan to that amount, but if in which was, that it was a transaction o 1.1.18
he was rightly informed, little more than one million
country ? Unless some ground were sliewn,
had been, and that very recently, paid, while the
fore, for r •
Right Hon. Gentleman had borrowed another five rection to which it
removing this out of the contioul and
.millions ; so that even if he had paid the whole, the some suspicio had been entrusted, and tl•
n on the proceedings of Govern:
finance would still only be in its original state. The in its pecuniary settlement with
the Bank. lee
deficiencies, whatever they were, were charged on persuaded that the House would not give i',
the Consolidated Fund, and no assets assigned to to his proposition. Another objection to it v as,
" An Account of the Deficiency in the Consolidated Fund to jobbing, and,
aton,d,it
awpoounldthoapte,n
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s‘ell fiaesldthteOr St,
meet them. He concluded by moving for—
the,loth of October, 1819; together with an account of the ground, he should decline furnishing infornia.uoc
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
malmer in which the same was made good."
a matter which was successfully procee iii,; zo 0
stated in reply, that there was a surplus on the Fund .2
termination pointed out by Parliament. Ile wig!'
mean to deny h
Paid to
state generally,
to the Bank, and that the wholey, that a large sum
ti‘ had be
at the date specified, though he did not
He did not object to the motion, which was accord- i2 tia,
that there was a large deficiency on former sums-- would be paid by the sth of April, in pursua:icc
Mr. MABERLY next moved for "An Account of that purpose—(Hear, hear ingly put, and agreed to. arrangements made for
—The funds provided by Parliament were being a!
the Amount payable out of the Consolidated Fun.
plied; flom the sth of July, 1818, to the sth October, 1819, plied; and it would ben far better to let the matter!
nished in a quiet u ninte; rupted course, thin
for the Interest of the Loans of 1818 and 1819, •dis-
interfere with such a motion as the present.
House would pardon him if he shortly antic thiuishing the Quarters," Sm.—Agreed to.
Also "An Account shewing how the Five Millions one topic more,
voted to pay the Bank had been applied, distirmisia- which had excited Consider
alarm out of doors, and had more than once f
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ing the dates of the several payments." mentioned in the course of their discussion, lie
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the Honourable Gentleman had now come to those luded to the transfer of property and funds front
country to France. He was aware that several
of his Resolutions, which he should feel it to be his
•or to modify. These Resolutions sons had so invested their money ; but at the
duty to oppose
time
he believed the sum total not to be great,
finance of the Country generally;tth seacond, the likely to be permanent ; as the Mate of exchange
were divisable into two parts : the first, afFett'n
'rg the. not been at all affected. Another circa
in order to bring and
le Bank, would also prevent the transference of property te
before the House those proceedings had
transaction between the •Govenanen
lare amount; as a Proprietor in the French Fu -
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