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pan a!ments
ma the motion of Earl BATIIIJit.ST.— lo be reported on
Mu4day.
The Population Bill passed through a Commitcee,with Amend-
roents.—R epor on Monday.
• in a Committee of Prlvilves, Counsel and evidence were fur-
ther beard in the case of the Berkeley
,Peerage. To proceed
again on Moot Ly. •
The House resume d. After prayers were read,
• THE IZOTAL ASSENT
Was given by Commission, in preecisely the same forth and
words (save the introduction of his Royal Highness the Prince
Regent's name, on the behalf and in the same of his Majesty) as
in former Commissions, to the Malt Duty Bill, the two Each..,
quer Bills, and the Irish Treasury Bills Bills; to the East Gtia-
stead Church, and to two other Bills of a local destApiion.
*I he Lords Commissioners on tht: ;;;,5..-trm'were—tho Loan
CNA NCELLOit, Earl C!l7, ;mist, and Lord hisitoaays. • *
After 11'6_1; Lurrtships had unrobed,
ta, Sll4ll conversation took place between the Earl
Of Guist:Toe and the LORD CHANCELLOR, in conse-
quence of the former Peer's remarking on the circum-
stance- of the Irish, Peers being designated in the Com-
wission by their inferior British titles, while some of
. those of Scotland were mentioned by their superior
gcots titles. This the Noble and Learned Lord al.
lowed to be a very fair and proper remark, but ob•
serve that such was the general course and tenor of
t the m;ssions, (jut of which it could not regularly
be pi , until his Majesty or the Prince Regent should
come down. in person to Parliament.
LORD CLONCURRY'S DiVORCZ BILL.
Mr. DALLAS appeared again as Counsel for Lord
Cloncurry.
The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that no
evidence had been given of the legality of the mar-
riage. He did not mean to suggest a doubt of its
validity, but the rule of the House required, in cases
ot Divorce Bills, that; here it was a foreign marriage,
(:u this case at Rome) evidence should be given that
it was a legal marriage, either according to the law
cf the place where it was solemnized, or the law of
this country, as the circumstances of the case might
hattpen to be. •
The Earl of MOIRA observed, that 'the doubts
I now riggested were of considerable importance, and
conniving that this.case ought.not.to be decided-with
t a view to itself alone, but to the probable consequences
ifvother 'cases of their decision, he thought that fur-
Vier time ought to be given for coniideration, and
tliereforemoved to postpone the further consideration
of the Bill till the first Friday after the Easter' recess.
.--Ordered.—Adjourned till Monday.

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and the SPEAKER, die secontrreadlng was °Mere sees sys to be prepared tor 7 .• item ..,.... i—_
for Monday rime . .es ..
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inner& • i' '. ' ,kited 'ow us again, es we had so lately witnessed,
On the 'motion of Mr. FOSTER theeliouse re- 'andoill trembled•at the remembrancrof, how would.
' solved itaslf into a Committee of the whole"Wonse,to "the Han. Gentleman satisfy the cravings of 'the na-.
take into consideration amain Acts of the Parliament eon ? 'would they aocept ,the imported sugar to sus:
1 ollreland. tale them, instead of snbstatttial barley I The pub-
In the Committee Mr. Foster moved his first Re. lie would then have with one voice exclaimed, how
solution—" That application be made for leave to : much more beneficial for us would it have been to
bring in a Bill to contittie, for a time to he limited, I have cultivated our lands, to have reared and non-
the Acts of the Parliament of Ireland, relative to the' rished our crops, instead of -venturing on trade, and
duty on Coal imported into the harbour of Dublin." for a few of the luxuries of life have sacrificed the ne-
• Mr. • CURWEN inquired whether these duties cessaries !—Such would undoubtedly be the cry of
.were intended to be continued, after the object had the people, were events like the past to happen again.
been affected for which they were originally appro. —But, supposing that no famine should ever ap-
priated-? proach our shores, would it not be more suitable to
Mr. FOSTER answered, that the duties were , the genius and the inclination of the peopleto have the •
*mortgaged for a very large deist; and he could not I waste lands ably cultivated, and the whole means of
speak with certainty as to the time ot its liquidation. ! subsistence produced within our island. Were such
The Resolution was then agreed to. la measure to be resorted to, he was sure that the
Mr. FOSTER then moved his second Resolution I-morals and the native vigour of the people ,would
" That application be' made fur leave to bring in a ihe strengthened and invigorated. Another. thing,
Bill to continue, for a time to limited, certain Acts even to throw morality and good constitutions out
of the Irish Parliament, relative to the widening 'of iof the question, would not the culture of the waste
several streets, lanes, &c. in the City of Dublin."— lands pay equally as well at the manufacturers?
Agreed•to. le He was convinced it Would, therefore, in the
Mr. FOSTER next moved,—" That application . county ' of Lancaster; for instance, were all the
be made for leave to bring in a Bill to renew the Acts'' lands which the manufacturing houses occupy well
of the *7th and 49th of hit Majesty, for regulating i manureds they Would • be equal to the velue•
' the drawbacks and bounties on sugars imported into of five pounds an acre,-and wattle be- rented at
Ireland—and the warehousing of spirits imported that high. price with the utile:sit alacrity. At that
from the British Colonies."—Agreed to. • rent the .county produce would be two millions ster-
The House having resumed, the Report was I ling, and -he was assured that the produce of menu
agreed to—and leave was given to bring in the Bills. ; factufes did not at this moment exceed the agricultu.
1 ' THE DISTILLERIzs. • Ira; estimate which lie had mades • The preseet mo.
The CHANCELLOR+ of the EXCHEQUER tion had been brought forward at a time when our.
moved the Order for goißet into a Committee on the trade was much obstructed, and it might be expected
Acts respecting the Distilleries of Great Britain. , that employ .would be found fire colonial produce
In the Committee— . from the measure. -But the Honourable Gentleman's
The Right Honourable Gentleman observed, that t ears had been assailed with the repeated complaints
having the other day explained, as.he trusted, to the' of the trades, and by those who are interested in the
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satisfaction of' the House, the principles upon which furtherance of - manufactures. Now, it has been
rho was desirous of placing the duties derived to the. known, that the merchants and manufacturers have
'Revenue from the distillation of spirits from grain or ,:always kept firm together ; they knew each other's
sugar, he should now state the reasons which induced i interests depended on the union of the whole: they
bint to bring under the consideration of Parliament traded as one body and they complained .as one,
*an attempt to equalize the competition in bringing to while the laasied proprietors and the farmers were
market either of those commodities. It appeared to never known to coalesce, nor act as a compacted
him, that, in attempting to introduce the measure body far their general prosperity. But should the
which he was about to notice, he should afford equal 'present proposition be carried, the landed proprietors
ineucemecit to the manufacturers of both.articles to and farmers would undoubtedly bind themselves into
bring them to market. The measure would not be such an union as the necessity of the occasion requir-
of long continuance, though he entertained a hope ed, and then they would find it perhaps expedient
. that it might be permanent. At present, however, it to make an appeal against it. He would only wish
was not his intention that the extension bf the time of the Honourable Gentleman to look into the morals
its operation should be beyond the period of two of the people, how they had been abused and per.
HOUSE OF COMMONS. i years. The Right Honourable Gentleman then sta- verted by drinking of liquor. Inquire at the Magis-
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The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod abohnoned this House to ted, that former Acts on this subject had in their pro. trates, and they would inform him of the sad effects
the House ,of Peers to hear the Royal Assent, by Commission, I . .'
to ceveral eine On the return of the Members, the Speaker 1 visions given to ones pecies of commodity a decided which such indulgence had produced on the morals
acquainted the House, tliar the Royal Assent had been given to 1 preference over the other, so that the distiller was in- and on the naturally firm constitutions of the people!
, the Malt Dare Bill, the pension Duty Bill, the Ten miens and I duced to select that for his use which would afford Our streets were often filled with drunkenness, and the
a Halt, and the One Million and a Half Exidiequer Bills, and to him the most decided profit. By.the operation of the natural affections of manhood were debased and for.
some other Bills. •
• The Sheriffs of the City of London presented at the Bar three present measure, that preference would be avoided, gotten. You would see that by the bars which were
• . pewee teen the Corporation; one against Oa Bill for erecting and to chew that the competition and equalization lately thrown in against the distillation from barley,
4 Bridge over the Thames at Queen-street, and another against I would be fair, he entered into a minute detail of the the culture was neglected, and ui consequence that
the Grant Junction Canal Bill. !duties arising from the distilleries, and, upon a corn- wholesome beverage, beer, was almost banished from
The Royal Marine Bill was ordered to be committed on
onday... • • • I parison with the distillation from sugar and from the poor man's table, and liquor, its wretched substi-
MMr. D. GIDDY moved the second reading of the Bill for pro- ; grain, he was convinced that the consumer would have cute, used instead of it. This diminished the vigour
long's: the patent granted to Mr. Earberrfor his invention in the 1 the article distilled at the same price. In the event o of population, and sapped at the foundation of our
'Weems 't rade. I the distillation going on from grain, there would be Constitution, which were the riches, he might say,
The Bill was opposed by Mr. H. Martin, lVfe: Sumner, Str R. no mole increase of duty to the Revenue than at pre- dearer than aught which trade could purchase. He
reel, Mr. Curwen,, and Mr. Shaw Lefevte, and supported by
Sir Thomas 'Tortoni Sir lames Pulteney, and Mr. J. Smith. sent from the use of su gar, before 'the suspension of could not convey to the Honourable House the whole
The. House divided on the question :—Ayes 59—Noes 43. the distillation from the former article was put in range of the importance of agriculture ; but he was
' BRITISH OFFICERS. force. The considerations, therefore, for the House assured, were we to trust less to colonial produce and
General GASCOYNE asked whether his Majesty's to attend to weres--whether the price of the article riches, and instead-of measuring distant and inhosei-
Governmeto intended to Make any allowance to Oft. sold would, in consequence of the proposed competi. table seas, toimerovethewaste lanes, and inakeßritein 1
cers of the British Army, because if no such intention I tion, be so hies as to endanger the Revenue ? and of like to a garden, would lift us to a height hithertoun.
were manifested, he 'should give notice of a Motion i this the House had the experience of last year to the known, and we would be strong, healthy, and con-
forltaking their situation into consideration, and fix ' contrary. The next consideration was, whether the tented. In the moving of such a motion a.; the pre-
the day for discussing, the Motion? rates of duty were such
,as would bring fairly into sent, it would certainly be necessary to give at least
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the market the two articles of competition, so that some security to the farmers for the crop which they
was not aware of any such intention. both might be kept at a price sufficiently high to re- had entrusted to the bosom of the ground being given
year,- it nad been stated.that an allowance would bes measure. The duties on grain were at the time of to the distilling from sugar, the infection would spread
granted by Parliament to British Officers, to support the suspension we ,061,817, and now they are upwards to Scotland too, and a general, laxity of agriculture i
their messes; and as that sum had not been issued,lof £380,000 more. So that. the increase had been would be the consequence. . There was a seventh
he should think it necessary to inquire whether such i very great since the suspension. The Right Hon. of the animal food which was consumed in the
allowance had been made ? and for that purpose i Gentleman declared, that a strong inducement in his 'whole island used. in London;-much of that was i
on Tuesday the 9.(ith inst. he would move for a Corn- i mind for bringing the measure forward, was, that fed from the offal. and dregs of the distillation, and
mittee to inquire into the present Pay of Officers of there would be no increase to the consumer in the therefore the present measure will make an experi-
the British Army, i price. He then moved a Resolution, e That the pre. ment perhaps detrimental to the sustenance of the !
- teach FINANCES. sent duties on the distillation of spirits from.wash do inhabitants. The consequence ought to be maturely
Sir JOHNNEWPORT gave notice that he should, cease and determine," &c. • . considered ; but it has been said, are we not to assist
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on Wednesday se'nnight, move for a Committee to On the question being put from the Chair, . the colonies-which we have ourselves established ?
take into consideration' that, part of the Prince Re- Mr. CURWEN rose and said it was utterly int- Certainly assistehem, but not to the detriment of our
gent's Speech which relates to the Finance of Ireland. possible '
to attain the object described by the Right prosperity at home ; let us rather purchase the sugar
. • slionEflAM Ib:CLOSURE SILL • Hon. Gentleman from the plan he had suggested. So from the Colonies and cast it into the sea before we
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL moves the 2d far would the agricultu'ri'st be from reaping any bane- injure the agricultural welfare of the kingdom. But
1 reading of the above Bill, • • * fit from the plan, and so far would the two articles of it has ever been the providence of Parliament to ne-
- : • Sir JOHN NEWPORT opposed the motion. He ! consumption, sugar and corn, be from being on the glect the cultivation at home, for the desire we had to'
understood some opposition would be given to the ; same footing, that the very reverse would be the case, improve and multiply our foreign possessions, so
' Bill, in which case it would delay the important'eubel The quantities of sugar, it was well known, could not much so, that there had not been An act but one pass-
lic business before the House. I vary, whereas in barley the quality must be always va- ed for .100 years for the encouragement of agricultu-
The SPEAKER stated, that, if any discussionirying ; it would sometimes yield more wash than at ral prosperity. In spite of all the hardships underi
' was expeCted on the Bill, as it was of a private na- ! others; according to the nature of the soil on which it which the nation had struggled, our annual produce
Lure, it W-as then too late to bring it forward. He •i had grown. It is clear, therefore, the distillers would has increased four millions, and were proper incite-
then inquirede,whether there was any private business ' invariably choose that commodity, in the manufac. . meats held out to cultivation, it might soon increases
) which would not occasion• any discussion? • -- , el -cure of which there was the greatest certainty of pro- to four times that sum. As an instance of the little
111 Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL said, if the fit. The flavour of the sugar spirit was also much repute in which grain crop was held hy the farmers
Hon. Baronet 'persisted in his opposition, he must, of more palatable than that which was distilled from in general, he needed only to direct the eyes of some
course, withdraw his Motion, but he trusted the Hon. corn, and it would consequently have the preference. of the Members of the Honourable House to the ins-
Baronet would not persevere. —The Hon. Gentleman next observed, that were the mense fields of green winter crop turnips,' ice. which
I Mr. FULLER said, the Hon. Baronet might take encouragement greater to distillation from sugar than they would find in every county.. Had grain pro-
the sense of the House on the question. from barley, the consequence would be, that the cull duced equal to these green crops, they would not have
Mr: CU RWEN thought;that as-there was a great cure of barley would be neglected, and the country been substituted, but the prices of grain did not re-
deal ot public business before the House, the second injured by the loss of their food more than they would ward the industry of the farmer. ,He hoped that the
reading had better be deferred. .
ot learn,
I 'said that the Bill had been. 44; smuggled", into the , London alone on the dregs and offal of b •
be helped by the liquor that would-substitute it.— HonourableHousevroulanot giveway to experiments
An Ron. Member, whose name we could n
'There were upwards of 40,000 head of cattle fed in and speculations tending to make the farmer suspici-
sewing ; our that he was tilling in vain. He therefore consi-
' House—he trusted a day would be appointed for the i therefore, where would the Hon. Gentleman find a 'dered it as the general interest to enicken and pro.
sec, ond teading, to prevent .its being "smuggled"substitute for the food which these cattle required? mote the interest of the country, and on such a mo-
through the House. Were they to resort to straw, the expence would be ticn as the present he 'hoped that the House would
The SPC...I.KE.R observed, it should, as was cus- . much greater ; and straw could not be procured when join him in the rejection of it ; and he declared his
emery where private Bills were opposed, be made the impulse for the cultivation of grain ceased to ope. utter disapprobation of the motion as an individual.
4: en Order of the Day —the parties might name a day , rate : but on a calculation which he had made, of Mr. ROSE said, that the Honourable Gentleman
post agreeable to Ciereecleess . I feeding cattle with straw instead of the dregs of die- had stated the price of barley at so high a value, that
' Btr E.D WARD KNATCHBULL denied that I talcries, lie had found that it would increase butchers'' it would put it out of the reach of distilling from it
any intention of smogiiing use Bill through the' meat one halfpendy in the pound weight. Such in- at all ; that the motion of the Chancellor oartended
i House existed: He thought the second reeding might crease, in a city which consumed so much animal to give the distiller a choice of either sugar or barley
~ be moved on Monday. r food, would be severely felt by all the *labouring —for they were proposed to be brought to as near a
' Mr. SW/I'i: thought that, in 'appointing a day, the daises.. The price of barley, at the present moment, footing of equality as possible. The Honourable
'.. convenience of all parties should be studied—he in- hardly sufficed to remunerre the cultivator, and how Gentleman answered the arguments of Mr. Curwen
tended to deliv.r his sentiments on the Bill, but Mon- ' must it be when discouraged, and other produce plish- at considerable length ;he contended that the motion,
sky . would be extremely inconvenient to him ;he'ed on the public in its stead ? How does the Hon. so far from Inking agriculture, tended to promote it
fished Wednesday to be substituted.
li
' ! Gentleman
propose to meet
those years of scarcity
—that the
liquor distilled from sugar was not prized
Alter a few words from Sit E. KNATCHBULLwhich experience has dearly taught us is expect, and by the pulilie equal to that distilled from grain, aid
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„PARLIAMENT4R7 PROCEEDING3'.
HOIJSE Of' LORDS, MARCH 9.
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• . Lespetten's.Drenrcs B it Was read a first tune.
Thais. isdVdsbps resolved into a Committee on the British Re-
rulation Account Bill; when some verbal Ansendmegyi were