Star.
London, England, 1828-06-13 00:00:00

tic n of sccut ides in the abstract upon the partof the !W-
-mAn Ca lb 011 CF. He said what he had to say there, for he
thought that it was the most fit and manly Way for a
Member to communicate with his '
constituents; and, for

hiliseit, he never would incur the responsibility or dif-
ficulty incidental to cornmunicating with them in any
either way. He would, say then, that the Roman Ca-
tholics would be imprudent if they suffered themselves
to be drawn into any consideration of the abstract
question. He recommended them ro wait until
they saw what securities were required, and then
to express their. .opinions, as far as petitioners can es•
press their opinions, to the Legislature; but they ought
not to involve themselves in any pledge to an abstract
proposition, which could not be in any way influential
in forwarding the attainment of their object. He said
that it had never been intended by the advocates of the
measure to make use of intimidation as an argument
ditected to any Member of that House; that it was only
meant as an •appeal to their prudence, as in the case of
a nation while deliberating if it should engage in war ;
and he concluded by repeating that his only hopes of
Catholic Emancipation were founded on the progress
made by the question in society—its success in that
'House—and its increased strength in the House of Lords.
Lord MORPETH depended upon the character and
sagacity of the Duke of Wellington. He thought some-
thing would be done for the Roman Catholics before the'
end of next Session. It was hard that Hon. Members
taking his side of the question should be accused of using.
both arguments ad terrorern and ad captandmm. The
Hon. Baronet had sta•ed, that in his opinion one of the
best modes to facilitate the arrangement of the question
would he to abstain from making speeches on it, but
this'certainly was not the method which the Honourablel
Baronet had kiaiself adopted. , •, • :1
Sir JOHN BRYDGES said, that every dole this'
question was discussed; the More he was' cbufirdsed-in
'the vitivrs which be had al*a#s taken upon it. Hen-titles).
'the day was mote diiiiinithan ever, when the Catholicsi
should,Oare any power in the Cetincils of this nation.
-Mr. BROUGHAM afterwards iff4t, and
.spoke to the
following effect.' Sir, I Concur with *the Honourable
Baronet who presented the Petition, and with otter
Hon. G-ntlemen who have spoken, in regarding it as a f
serious injury, and as a just cause of mgr.: andlactieu
cation, that the House of Lards have tejected-the mode-
rate Yeiolution we sent ties to them, and which only
would have pledged them, as indeed it only pleilg. id our-
selves, to examine the lairs affecting the RomnstiCatbo-
fits. But, Sir, in the rejectictti of that tesolution, k . 7
were circumstances peculiar and unusual, Midi Phalli
probably expose myself to the animadversions of some:
Hon. Members, whom I Wat witty wheel' e=gress then.
flees afthey have done this night,-when Intl, that I do
see. in it great grounds for•cOnscilation and for hope,--
I fairly admit that •my hope is morelisely than my
:faith upon the present occasion. But, Sit, .there are
circumstances attendant on the' manner in which this
'resolution wilt rejected, which are well worthy of eon.
sideration I•Speak not of the co-operation of Allies—
of the fidelity of old friends, or of the accession of new=
bot, 'I speak of the admissions of former adversaries,
which show that we have no longer'io Contend with the
same blinded, intolerant, and bigotted spirit by which,
all former attempts-have been met—we have in the fir*
place all the theological lumber .thrdslii overboard—
we have no more to do with councils or treaties.
We have it now admitted that it is a question of ex-
pediency alone, and that it is to be met simply by
legislation, and not by nigociatiOn. We are not to
go'to the Aoinan Catholics and say--wilt you. take
this? and will you give that? No—swe'are to make
up our minds on the whole question, and •if 1e! think
right to carry it, we are to do so 'Without edisiulting
with any class of persons—we are to legislate according
to the wants and advantages of the empire, end lie!,
cording to the exigency and circumstances of- tie be-
cation. And let those who support the necessity of
securities propose the securities they think sufficient, and.
would require. It is not for those who deny that n -am
shy -to say one word upon the' subject. But,' SPe;' Ito
have another admission, of which all has not been;tnidn
that I aria inclined to think might have been rhadi, The
difficulties and embarrassments with which this. question
is surrounded are confessed, and we are 'told: a way is
not to be seen 'ftoat these difficulties and embarrass-
ments. Aid—what is the infereece which has been
drawn from this? That Grief/foment should be qpiet
—should tike no step—make no exertion; that tho '',.
they are 'charged with the duty' of finding th*
way through these difficaltfes and einbarrissMenti,
-though they 'are the pilots who have -undertake; to
guide the Vessel of the &ate through storm lad danget!
—fret, I will.dot lay' in all, but in sense quarteri,..4 is.;
action recommended. Letting the danger rage is li4t
to be the best course which can be adopted, and this is
said tobedrawn as the natural and necessary consequence
Of an admission of that danger and difficulty, and, it
the other -difficulty of finding out the way. Farther:
explaniiioa7may lead me to comprehend their meaning'
if it be different from this, but at present I contest I
cannot. After some further observations, the Hon.aod '
Learned Gentleman concluded by exhorting the p.
persevere—totholiilto keep the King's peaceto obey,
the laws, but firmly and unitedly-to appeal to radii.
went fur the restoration of their rights,: and before' any
great length of time they must be successful. • '..
-Lord EBRINGTON congratulated th4iebniarP.44)
Parlihtent, and the people of Ireland, that their et axe
was so likely to be crowned with success—and he eiigh
~
sag' so speedily too. However, it should not be foe.:
t.
gotten, that the organ of the Governmeotin tint Hone
had intimated his decided objection tegianting con-
cestioo to the Catholics. . .
Mr. PEEL-I did not speak as the owe -iiittlte,(idiisi*sitil,
.....--Y only spoke in frty individual chamfered tb6 istbject.—(flei
• 'Lc:Wiz! -EBlll/;IGTON said, he would be sorry te'
charge upon the Right Hon. Gentleman the used
lzptessions which he disclaimed ; 'but he hoped that'
*nothing which was said here or'elsewhere, would pre-
went the Catholics front persevering is they; had
hitheito done, and they must be succesful. ..,...,1
Sit FRANCIS BURDETT expressed hit toncuritiles
in all that-had been said aped the getietal-querstion kyi
hii ticitite Friend b'ehindlian (Ltd Ebiiniton) With AO,
'43illthit:icio sense, good feeling, and firm sad sizing_
• inciple.. But it he expressed a gteitt.cleal' snore hope*
than'his Noble Friend felt fruni.tfeitatement made itC
another place, he must conlestil4,ha..4id so fra,/, the
,that" desire he felt that in iti4Sild,,whigethere were SA
, IV Viii s elistingto oppress andlefidisittisest,—horr, 1
tiii (14fLionsol 'anon 'ef the sitetettach •khlibTsl. Or be
'ikia away. Perhaps his expectations. si,eg,k,lift,be•
Cause his wish was strong. The grounds‘hiliseevert.he
tatieli he principally relied were those. re(ereed* '
'hii tioble Friend—the increasing information /
Country.' the liberality displayed elsewhere,
goOd dispbsition and feeling of that House. 4
hear). He was therefore anxious that in that co,
Lalteady enveloped in darkness and misery, a If'
of hope' might be allowed to travel.. That
-4 -*here—

tiskrolitlier &anew a blu.• .
Served only to discover sighti of woe,

Regions of arrow, duleful.shades, where peace
lAnd r, tt eminent dieel‘hopeaever
• That canes to ell. • • •
—This, the House would:obswrvirtwas .a description of
the place for the condeimied of the earth; yet it wanted
but the absence of hope to Make ibe dkeription appli-
cable to a country already bonne down by heavy
ances and disappointment. Howeier, he coneMtred with
those who found hope is the language of the Noble
Individual at the head of the Ministry. If the language
of a person in such a situation was doubtlo. be wAs
entitled to put the most favourable t(tbstitietiOn upon
it, But with whatever hape be looted' teS that 'quarters
he lookei much more to the increased liberality of the
age—(Hear, hear).
The Petition was the ordered to be printed.
r .
Sir J. NEWPORT moved rot a Copy of the Minutes of Evi-
dence taken before the Commissioners appointed to inquire into
the charges of mal thin brought against the Establishment of.
the District or Leinster, sitting in die Castle of Dublin,.during the
last winter. •
'A conversation then ensued, in which Mr. Jaau GuiTTAx,
Mr. Coscursres, the CHANCILLOIL of the Exeunt:luau, Mr. Drite.
oes, Sir ions Neu/roar, Mr. Luaus Forme, and Mr: Tetra par.''
tiiipated ; after which the motion was agreed to. .
• 'On the Motion of Mr. O'BRIEN, Wile stated that his object was
to call the attention of Government tie, the expediency of Assisting
the manufactprers of Ireland by a reduction of the Duty on Coals,
a Return was ordered to be laid before the }louse of the total
amount of Duty received on Coals imported into Ireland for the
three years ending sth Jan. 1826,5 th Jan. 1827, and sth Jan.lB2B.
GLUM inks iltlitelllllilit7l IIItILA MO.
Mr. -GRATTAN moved fOr leave to bring in 'a Bill to amend so
'nosh of the Mt' of. the. 511kft George I I 1.1. related to advances
from Goiernment on Grand' Jury 'Presentments.
After a Ten, cibiervadons froin the ritsnest.tos of 'the Anat.
(Wake Mr. DAVV9OII, Sir Joint -Neviecniv, Onertellt Wave.
was given to bring in the
- The House then proceeded:to the Were of the Day.
The third reading of the Archbishop of 'ClArmritiax's was
postponed to -Minday next.
GRATTAN Moved the Second teadiegrk the Awesome.
of Lesion' (Ireland) Bill. L.
Afeer.a diseuesion between Sit' Nrilorcir; • Mi• Liget' tr
Mr. Mom, and Mr. Noitin, the Hdtiie divided,— ,
• .. . •
Againiit itie second reading - 1.
• For the second reading ,
Majority again Owlet:lla reading ,
The House then weniimuiCtitiiinittieinion the Gelietial Turnpike
. •
Attu' Amendment Bill. '
. Mr: J. WOOD soroplised.k'Vraitse bur, ..iftei 'a fir *marks
from Sir J. GRAIII.9I, jie.eoii4etited to receive it kir a riattire,stage..
—The Report waithen brought d}; arid ordered to & taken into
-bother vol.-ids:ration On Monday. • .
. I'he City and Towns' of Ireland f_'
a Committee.— 14(.11:r...tn.:Tr,

kAt *rout%

J. totwilitOF gi7icafTioßnio•
Mr. hCAVE•
. Cn Moved. the second reading of the Corpcirate
Funds Bill.
Mr, gY LER said, thit he ihoUld Ireirst the 13111f6 its fiezt stage,.
It was understood the diKussion should be postponed until OW
• Sir C. IlAittltog also gave notice, that, on the notion for the.
Caltaltters he shouldritsist theyrogress of ;be Bill, up .principle.
Bill was then read a second time, abd the Committee fixed
for to-morow. . .
Tbe Sale of Guile Balsas read a second finsiCiiimdttft
sow row. •
Mr. It. GORDON moved, that the Rowe ecn*celtielf into a
Committee on the:cpunpi Lunatic Asylute Bill. .
• the 'B4sisis accordingly. left: the Chair, And various verbal
Amendoients Were made in it. The Clauses having: bees gone
through,
. Mr. 3.lrdOD hroneht up Sin Reines. It Was ordered that it
•be receded tormortow. '
Surplus Ways and Means' BM was nod a tildid daat,,
Peu4
Mr. R. TWISS brought Ambont if theXspeise Incurred.
In Public Building, and Military Works, in Newfoundland.
Mr. R. GOft DON give Hotta, that bis Woold.kr.inorrow move
for a Committee to inquire into the fitness of removing Smithfield
Market.—Adjourned at.Tsx o'CLocn.'
PARLIAMIANTSItY ?APRIL
REPORT PROM -biILICO3OIO4ITTKIt ON THE LftiV OP
• • • • PAEZICH/AL EEiTLEMEDITS. -
The Select Conunittee appOinted to take into considers jibe-
Law of Parochial Setllcments'hsve,pursuant to the or
.cOnsldeied the mine 'scam:abet; and 'agreed to
Insiiing Report:
This COmittitieesession Of the. Reports
and evidence of the forlaws-Voihnsitterspn Poor Laws,
which were held in the years 1817 and 1818, together'
ttllth other'dodohletitie'cOhriecledirrith various branches,
of the intarol Oolfoir of the connAry..weribfopinion
that ttey thin4d.notilbe juitifieiiiikcinninia heavy e:
'pease to the country by calling for arid..ootaniirting fur-
'cher evidence in Coirdboration bf filets fly'e'stablished.
These Reports, and this bodygrivihrici,induced
chi Committee to devote that earlie.t attention to that
portion-of the law of settlement connected With hiring
and service..at appears
.by rim returns before Parlia-
ment that a very great expense was annually incurred
in consequeige.g appeillibgbintt orders of. removal, a•
late nujortfAil 11*4..arose' (rem. the doubtsand'
'difficulties in which cases 'of din desCription are in.
volved. •

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Toe Committee therefore directed their Chairman to
move for leave to bring in a which should,. by
repealing this headOf settlemen•t, r4move the most pro!
MinentAnclftequent'cauie 'litigation,• be calculated
to revive the almost forgotten bUtexcellent'prectice of
domesticating the agricultatal labourer in the establish-
'inept of . his employer, and thereby *prove the moral
feelings, industrious habits, and real comforts of the
poorer clisses. • .• • ••• •
. • TllltgbtliMitteriirnpressedvitli the necessity.of pro.
ceedin* iftadu 11 y*, lsu t-'c u den sty,. in, alio reformation of
the laws of settlement, aridlrit tlVvaMetiette:anzious to
ascertain the feelings of the House 'oil the principle of
the gin they have so eariestlY jecoffitnendedt did not
wish to proceed further dttrineptePrelieat SesSioa, but
.venture to eiptess a hope, that the labears:Of a Select
,COminktee he directed,l-in!theensolog*.Mesttioe, to in-
Vestigate-the other brandies efi.2this l'Mpormak' subject,
with I •Vietri-to afford•*a 'remerly. fee'ibia"A,rittiMis abuses_
and detect!, wait which these liiiyeirs'at present en-
'kirnabered. •••- . ••• • ..•-•; • '• ' •
•
Last light Sir IfiltheisPlsiliiiiitfresintettilve second,
Report of the Cilmerfttei neon • the '.Reee!Pts and Xa-.'
penditure of tbettogdom. ••• ••'
feta one of thettoti Voldinitous itgports which has
beert'ror a long dine-laid in-the 'table of Parliament
is full of copioui-details of the •pickeedings •Of former
Committees, and eonfains •a- very elaborate statement
'of the evidende given! before the' present, incleding
cables of the several lanai iii-eiPtindinitaltetbirderut.
ments Ander elansination.. . • , • ,
The Committee state. r!bai-thelilrigibles have 'been
iliOduottaly;. labOriasisly -4hr:fitted Atir: the various
beide of expenditure If the • Navy,
Army, And 0nintnee444:::4:;,..1,, , .
The )iincji444.li*Aliiililli;toininittee went, was
not 'to Attertnia aiteekreiintititet t bald. afford in the
.the •„erfrrivisn o upon
which theep
_giorlra b 6 performed consistent

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pith th. tt49 iltoittiptesfuleiongireits.
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iry, the cireum-
or 28;090..0.601,
\merit 'of engage.'
ey deemed iotao.
ination to ,the
;Penditure which
okhe country.
ative necessity of
,' because, to take
tioney , Pioduc„ __:ustrY of the public
beyond the actual exigency of the States was to dimi-

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