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'forks. At the saw* time he begged to assure
~hie Lord (Castlereagh) tjsat he dad not agitate
iiestion from any party feelings, nor did he at-
lay, blame to the Noble Lord for the part he
itherto taken in this transaction ; for he was
iced that the Noble Lord, on entering on the
which WAS now proceeding, had not been
of the consequences to which it would lead.—
lowever, it would be necessary for him, in de-
the particulars of the case, to explain the error
Noble Lord. He gave the Noble Lord credit
:ertaining sentiments of abhorrence to the con-
ices resulting from this measure ; and there-
hoped the Noble Lord would meet him in the
t proposal, and retrace the steps which he had
in this abominable course--abominable he must
on account of its consequences. He should
,roceed to relate the transaction, in order to
the House to,form an opinion on the subject.
1011. Baronet then gave a sketch of the political
on of the Grecian Islands and their continental
!dcncies, from the 15th century down to the
goo. In alluding to the conduct of Ali Pasha,
present claimed the cession of Parga in the
of the Porte, he said it was against this man
to claimed the interference of Parliament—for
abitants would rather perish than be given up
cruel and perfidious tyrant. On this point,
nien of his could have half so much effect as a W-
illi the people of Parga themselves, in answer to
letter of Ali Pasha, calling on them to sub-
) and to attack the French troops who were
a Para. The Hon. Baronet then read the letter,
was in the following words :
,tut PASHA.—We have received your two letters, and
ce that you are well. The compliance which you re.
f tit it is not easy for you to obtain ; because your conduct,
ed to us in the fate of our neighbours, determines us all
.rims and free death, and not ever to a base and tyranni-
.juvion. you write to us to fall upon and slay the
not only not in our power to do, but if it were,
would dtll to do it ; for our country has bowled her good
ist,h for four ce:ltoties past, and in that time often vindicated it
with her blond. How, then, shall we now sully that glory ?
Never. 7u threaten us again unjustly is in your power ;—but
threats are r.Ot cluraeteristic of great men ; and, besides, we have
Deter confessed to fear, having accustomed ourselves to glorious
.tle for the rights of our country.
- Goo is just—we are ready : the moment comes when he
Wt.() conquers shall be glorified. So fare you well.
Parga, October 16, 1798."
la the year 1800, the Russians and the Turks entered
into a treaty, by which the independence of the Gre-
cian blinds was recognized, under the name of the
septinsular Republic. By an unfortunate clause in
it treaty, which provided that the Porte should
to power to take military occupation of Parga and
:e other towns, the Parguinotes fell into his hands.
Pasha took the inhabitants out of their own
'try, and placed them in distant parts of the
.)hawick ; he deprived them of their own posses-
ins ; and on the pretext of allowing them a com-
:ion in terms of the treaty, he assigned them
lers in distant parts ; and to complete their degra-
ion, he converted their churches into mosques.—
, the Tre:ty of Tilsit, in 1807 the Grecian Islands
.ere given up by the Russians to the French ; and it
worthy of being remarked, that afterwards a
,ht Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Canning) in an
icial note to the Russian Court, had charged them
. a breach of faith in thus sacrificing to France the
dependence of the Septinsular Republic. The Rus,
having recommended to the Parguinotes to
:are a good understanding with the French, com-
ely them. The Pasha, seeing that
ante had obtained possession of the lonian Islands,
..erect into a negotiation with the French General
for getting Parga ceded to itim, The Parguinotes
sing these negociations between the French Gene-
ral and the Pula, prepared for their own defence,
and at the same time made strong application to the
French General for assistance. The French General,
phone character did not stand high for generosity,
refuse) to give them up--(Heav, hear)—and pro-
mised to report _to the Emperor that they were a
free people, and every way worthy of favour, He at
the same time sent them a French flag, and troops to
Mind them. This was in 1807, and the cession was
finally refused by the Emperor. In 1809 and 1810,
Admiral Collingwood commanded in the Mediter-
ranean, and took measures to resist the further pro-
Tess of the French. Sir John Stewart furnished
Id forces, and Lord Collingwood ships, fOr an ex-
rdition to reduce the lonian-Islands. Here he must
read extracts from Lord Collingwood's instruction
the Captain who commanded this expedition : (he
teal from a printed paper which had been laid upon
the table two years ago, in consequence of a Inkitinn
oflaifor that purpose). Lord Collingwood instructed
fle Captain, that on their landing on any of those
i,:ands, the Septinsular, and not the British flag,
should be hoisted, the inhabitants should be required
to take arms, and the fortresses should not be garri-
soned by British troops, their own troops being suffi-
cent for that purpose. Five of the islands were re-
d:ced. Corfu, the.heact of them all, was not reduced,
tte:e not being troops sufficient to effect its reduction.
1.-e Commander of the expedition, in his dispatches,
said, that he had great satisfaction in informing that
their efforts were attended with complete success.—
tie Government of the lonian Republic, it was now
Bete mined, should be restored; but the British flag
tas set up together with the Septinsular flag, and
British troops were stationed to defend the several
Fests till the various offices were properly filled up.
Vv hen the Parguinotes, whose ancestors had bled for
t.eir country, who themselves were ready to bleed
tor their country, who had been respected by Russia
by France, when they saw this example of Bri-
tish generosity, when they saw the islands reduced
\y British valour, and restored to freedom b.y British
!nerosity, could it be supposed that they did not
unanimously throw themselves under British pro-
tection ? On the one side, they saw their friends'
slaughtered by the Turks ; on the other, they saw
the Septinsular Government restored in the most
mlaanimous manner. Could they hesitate as to the
°lase to be adopted ?--(Hear, hear, hear.)—This
to in the year 1809-10. We were afterwards too
mach engaged by the war in ether places to carry
our successes further in this quarter, and it was in
rain to attempt the establishment of an independent
Government without Colin. • In 1.14, the Pasha'
ean attack on Parga. The Pacgtitnoes applied'
',Jr aid to the French General, 4whei replied, Lim he
17414 afford them no maistanst—that he. had no
r'qs for the purpose, and if laehadi he cOtild not,,
Itithr at instructions tVom hii Gpvirtintent, "send theta
t° their assistance. They deters }and, no ithstand-

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ing, to Make no cession. they made all dui tesist-
Ince possible in the neighbourhood of Parga and at,
its walls. The Pasha's army of 20,000 then was re-
pelled, and his nephew, who-commanded it, slain.
Was this, tie asked, a contemptible people ?—(Hear,
hear!) Should we, who were the freest nation in the'
world, treat lightly a people capable of such strug-
gles in the cause of freedom?—(Hear, hear, hear.)--
Could we, without fellow-feeling, regard the efforts
of a people worthy of th'e freedom which we enjoyed?
Was there a heart in the House that did not compas-
sionate the brave Parguinotes?—(Cheera.) The Pa-
sha retreated: he was repelled, not routed. They
had not numbers enough to pursue him. He built
a mausoleum to his nephew, an altar on which the
blood of the Parguinotes must flow—(Kear, hear.)
Seeing that they could get no assistance from the
French, they sent a deputation to General Campbell,
with an offer to withdraw their fortunes from France,

and to place themselves under British protection—to
follow the destinies of the lonian Islands. He gran-
ted their request, and sent Mr. Foresty's (the English
Ambassador's) son, and Sir Charles Gordon, with a

strong detachment, to assist in forcing the French
out of Paxu, which was opposite to Parga, on the
terms that an English garrison should be received,
and that Parga should follow the destinies of the lo-
nian Islands—{Hear.) Captain Hoste arrived there
at the same time with two frigates. They sent a
deputation to him who received them well, but re-
plied, that he could do nothing for them—that he
could not attack the fortress; but that if they could
get the British flag hoisted on Paxu, he would draw
up his frigates under it at all hazards. They got
the British flag conveyed into the fortress by an old
woman, under her clothes. The inhabitants, who
had formerly fought against the Pasha, at the same
time attacked the sentinels, the British flag was hois-
ted, the frigates were drawn up under the fortress,
and the garrison were made prisoners. The place
was in tranquillity in two or three hours after the
first =movements—(Hear, hear.) This brought him
to the point. The Parguinotes were now under Bri-
tish protection—(Cheers.) The object of his Motion
was to obtain the Paper which contained the Condi-
tions on which the Commanders by sea and land
gave assistance to the Parguinotes. This document
must (cave been sent home to Ministers. Ile also
wished to obtain the answer of our Government, if
there was any, authorizing what political Govern-
ment was to be placed over Parga by the Governor
of the lonian Islands. Of the first Paper he had a
copy, but a Motion could not be regularly founded
upon it. He would read, however, from this copy,
the instructions from General Campbell to Lieute-
nant Breton, respecting Parga. The date was May,
1815. Parga was to be considered as an appendage to
the lonian Islands—{hear 1) and more particularly as
an outwork of the garrison of Corfu. It was wisdom
to retain it. Lieutenant Breton would attend to the
wishes and feelings of a free people, who hated the
Turks—(Hear, Aear.) They were a spirited and in-
dependent people, yet docile and mild when treated
with civility. The great mass of the people might
be depended on—they never would submit to the
Ottoman Government—(Great cheering.) Such were
the instructions then given respecting Parga—such
was the character of the people, as described by Ge-
neral Campbell. These spirited, free, independent
patriots, now saw themselves made a sacrifice of to
their implacable enemy—(Hear, hear, heir!) They
found themselves now driven to the alternative of
making the seat of liberty their grave, or of going
into exile—an evil scarcely less cruel, He could not,
however, suppose that the Noble Lord opposite would
proceed in his purpose—he could not suppose that a
people, free, and resolved to preserve their freedom,
should in vain rely upon the freest people in the
world—he could not suppose that a people, whose
independence had been respected by despotic Go-
vernments, should be deprived of their liberty, or
driven from their country, Isf a nation on whom they
had placed the greatest reliance, and had placed that
reliance because they were themselves free—by a na-
don who had actually received them under their
protection, and promised to retain them in the em-
braces of Freedom—(Hear, hear.) He hoped, that
if the House would thew a proper feeling on the sub-
ject, the Noble Lord must retrace his steps—(Much
cheerin4.) The steps taken were not irrevocable.—
Could it be endured, that the last spot of Greece
which retained freedom, which retained Christianity,
should be surrendered to despotism and cruelty ?
Could it be endured that the Cross should be sur-
mounted by the Crescent?--(Chess.) Could we
neglecr the opportunity of uniting so free and brave
a people in the bonds of fraternity with us? Could
we fail to attach their hearts to us by gratitude for
the preservation of their liberty?—(Cheers.) He had
now given the narration of the case. He was sorry
that he had occupied so much time. He would now
proceed to debate the case with the Noble Lord.—
In answer to a question which he had asked, the
Noble Lord was understood to say, that he consider-,
.ed himself obliged by the Treaty of Paris, Nov. 1815,
to make a cession of Parga to the Pasha. He was
not sure that he had understood the Noble Lord ; if
not, he should be happy to be now corrected. Since
1815, there had been no further Treaty on the sub-
ject. There had been a Convention since between a
Commissioner from our Government and a Commis-
sioner from the Pasha; respecting the terms of the
cession of Parga. He would, therefore, meet the
Noble Lord on the Treaty of Paris, 1815. There
were sever al Treaties then between the several Powers ;
he selected the Treaty with Russia, but what effect it
could have on the destinies of Parga he could not
, conceive. Article fist set forth, that the several
Islands (enumerating them by name), with their De-
pendencies, should form a free and independent State.
If Parga was considered as included in this• Depe-
ndencies, then it must follow the lonian Islands, and
be free and independent. Reference was made in
,
.this Treaty to a Treaty in 1800, between Russia and-
• the Porte, in this manner—" with their Dependen-•
cies, small Ishulds, such as described in the Treaty
between the Emplror of theßussias and the Ottoman
Court, in 1800." That reference was only fur de-
scription-(Hear, dear),—and not for pointing out
the destiny of Parga at this time. Its destiny could-
' not be determiped by that Treaty, which, by the way,.
I bad been observed only so long as was convenient.
for the parties. We were bound•before 1815 in good
faith, ingenerosity, (a parka( our character in the
estimation of the Parguinotes), to protect the inhabi-
tants of-Parga. We were not to refer in a posterior

Treaty contrary to a trusidtock taken
them into our embraces. In the Treaty of 1800,
Prevesa, Bucintro Volizio, and Parga were ceded
to the Turks, Even if that Treaty were binding ,
upon us, we could unanswerably reply—,, True, we
engageil to give those places to you, and you en-
gaged to preserve their privileges inviolable. Where
now are I'revesa, Bucintro, and Volizzo?—(Hear,
hear).—They are in desolation. Those places, when
delivered up to you, enjoyed peaceful tradquillity,
the Cross stood in their Churches, Christianity flou-
rished among them, They were overrun by you ; •
you broke all stipulations in their favour, and you
spared the lives of any Christians only to do you
menial offices--(Hear, hear).--Restore those places
Ito their former condition, and then we shall consider
it our duty to consign Parga into your hands : but
we can never give up to you the last European place
that erects the Cross of Christ, when 'w see Prevesa,
Bucintro, and Volizzo, in the greatest desolation."—
( Much cheering).—England had as it were given to
the Parguinotes a guarantee of future protection, by
having the military occupation of their City for a
long time. She ought not now to disappoint the
hopes which her conduct had raised. Ile had no
wish to take up the time of the House further—
(Hear, hear).--but he could not but think that it
was the intention of our Government to give up the
Parguinotes to the power of Ali Pasha ; for by the
Treaty of 1815, it seemed that the Treaty of 1800
was so far recognized, as that compensation should
be allowed to those who might wish to leave their
country. If the Noble Lord put that construction
upon the Treaty of .1815, he ought at least to have
gone the whole length of the 'I reaty of 1800, and
not adopt part of it to the prejudice of those people,
without giving them the benefit of the whole.—
There was nothing which they dreaded more than to
be given up to the power of the Turk : and here he
would again ask, what right the Turk had to de.
mand this cession? If he founded his claim upon the
Treaty of 1800, he should shew that he had himself

fulfilled that Treaty, that he had afforded protection
to the other cities which were then placed under his
Tare. What had he done towards them from which
it could be hoped that he would act with justice to-
wards those unfortunate people ? He (Sir C. Monck)
maintained, that from all which had transpired of
the conduct of thi; cruel tyrant towards those peo-
ple—from the confidence they had reposed in this
Government, and from the protection we had af-
forded them, that it would be unjust, and a breach
of faith on our part, to deliver them up to their
greatest enemy. The Honourable Baronet then re-
capitulated the substance of his leading arguments,
and again maintained, that if we were not disposed
to afford those people our furthef protection, we
ought at least to place them in the situation in which
they were when they applied to us for our assistance.
We ought to allow them to struggle for themselves,
and give them the same means they had before of
defending their liberty. In looking to the condition
in which those unfortunate people were placed, in
remembering the situation in which they had been,
in recollecting the bravery with which they had de-
fended themselves, and in considering the state to
which they were now likely to be reduced, he was
strongly reminded of that passage in which the poet
described .lEneas as relating to Dido his departure,
from Troy with his son and Father, at the destruction
of that city :,

" Hoc erat, alma parena, quod me per tab, per igniA
4" Rripis, ut mediis hostem in penetralibus„ utque
" Ascanium, patremque meum, juxtaque Creusam,
" Alterum, in alterius mactatos sanguine censam ?
" Arena, yin, ferte arma ; vocat lux ultima victim
" Reddite me Danais ; sinite instauraia revisam
Prz,lla. Nunquam omnes hodie moriemur multi!"

The Honourable Baronet concluded, amidst loud
cheers, by moving—" That an humble Address be
presented to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent,
praying that he might be graciously pleased to give
directions that there be laid before the House, a Copy
of the Instructions sent by General Campbell to Colo-
nel Gordon, in 1814, respecting the occupation of
Parga.; also a Copy of the Instructions sent to Lieu-
tenant Breton, on the same subject ; likewise a Copy
of any Communications from British Officers to the
Parguinotes, assuring them of protection, and the
Communications of the Parguinotes to hich those
were a reply.'
Two other Motions were made to the same effect,
in the shape of Addresses to his Uoyal Highness -for
certain Papers : the first motion respected Sir W.
Hoste, of the Naval Department ; and the other re-
spected an Officer in another department.
Mr. MAXWELL rose to second the motion. He
conceived, that if no other principle operated upon
the British Government but gratitude to those people,
that alone was a claim which should entitle them to
protection. In looking to the present situation of the
Grecian Islands, he felt that the Noble Lord (Castle-
reagh) had done a great deal for their regeneration,
and as an individual he thanked him for it. Care
had been taken to have prpper persons sent out from
this country, whose constant attention watched over
their best interests. He admitted that great benefits
had already accrued to the Islands from this pro-
tection ; but while he did this, he should maintain,
that we were called upon by motives equally strong
to extend our protection to Parga. She had trusted
to us for protection. In her confidence she had
opened her gates to our troops, to the exclusion of
those of another nation by which they had been pre-
viously occupied. We yielded to the wishes of the ,
people, in taking military possession of their city ;
and the relationship which was established, was'
one of dependence on the one side, and not only
implied but avowed protection on the other.—
That protection, he contended, we were bound in
good faith not to withdraw. Parga was a small, but
it was a free State. For three or four centuries it had
cherished the spirit of liberty, while the countries
around had been nearly enslaved by despotism. The
liberty and independent spirit of ancient Greece were
nourished here, he might almost say, upon this little
spot ; but if the House did not now interfere, its last
ray would become extinct. In looking to the situa-
tion in which this city had been placed by former
treaties, he would maintain that we ought not to
construe those treaties to the very letter, against a
iloople whose liberty they might abridge. They ought
to be construed in the most favourable manner pos-1
sible. It would be a statp upona fie people, such
as we were, to become thtin;truntents, in any de-
, however remote, of eon Signing a small but spi-
, Set of men, whose greatest ambition WAS 111:Cd0111,

to the dominion of a tyrant-t---(ltear.j.-41.114014
should consider the character of the: man to_wboen.
despotic sway this liple State was to** cOis:iipetaff4
he, was a rebel, and 44. d. been so all his .11K
acts were tolerated because it was noein...Over
site Porte to subdUe him ;' his conduct kad been
stained with acts so atrocious as no TUrlash i.
nisier bad been foupd to be
.guilty of—r(lligr;heirs")
He (.'fii. Maxwell) had been in the cowl*, an4Wini
acquainted with many of the evils which those pea
pie bad to **re ; and he was aware that t4se in 4
'nothing_ which they dreaded more than beipg place 4
in the power Of a man from whose de;ipotlc sway they
had every thing to dread and nothing hope. It.
was, he.maintamed, the interest of thit.conutry td
preserve the rights of those people--they had
claims upon our protection which they deserved, au
which he trusted the decision of this night wonl
afford. He trusted the Members on both sides of chef
House would see the justice of acceding to the motion%
of his Honourable Friend; it was not by an indiscriA,
reinato, support of Ministers that the affection of Men .
bens was ,hewn for them. There might 1* instances
and occasions when it might be for the advantage of
the. Minister to oppose him, where it was seen, he
had inadvertently fallen into error. If such had beer
the case in the present instance—if, through some
oversight or unintentional neglect, the interests of the,
Pargumotes had been forgotten, he trusted that,
before it was, too late, the error would be acknow- -
ledged, and the evil to which it would lead prevented.
After the manly avowal of error in another place, and"
after the recent example of a Right Honourable Gen-
tleman in this House, in retracting erroneous opi-
nions, he trusted that there would be no difficulty on
the part of his Majesty's Ministers in admitting that
they had been mistaken in their conduct towards that
'brave and independent people—(llear).
Lord CASTLEREAGH felt disposed to,give every
credit to the motives ol' the Honourable Baronet in
bringing forward this motion, and was glad of the
mode in which he had placed it before the House. As
the Honourable Baronet had only called &I:informa-
tion, he had no difficulty in acceding to his motion.
If the motion of the Honourable Baronet had been
for the discussions which b;ad taken place between
this Government and'the Porte, he .should.have felt

it his duty to have refused them, on the ground that
a premature disclosure of pending negocrations might
destroy their own end and object.' The motion of the
Honourable Baronet had kept free from such discus-
sions ; he would therefore consent to it, and reserve
his observations until such time as the Honourable
Baronet should call the attention of the House to the
information laid before it. It was but justice to his,
Majesty's Ministers to have said, that they entertained
the most liberal views with respect to the Greciars
Islands. The question of their occupation, arose out
of the treaty of 1800. It was very largely discussed,
though not settled, at Vienna and at Pots during the
rdebates on the treaty of 1815: and it was then no.,
derstood that this Government had net right to hol4
Parga in favour of the inhabitants as against the
Porte. This, however, would not be a bar to arty
future regulation by which their interests might be
better secured. It was the general. feeling of the
Powers in 1815, that the most liberal policy should
be extended towards that people, and this was sup-
ported by what he conceived was the duty of this
Governinent, that they (the Parguinotes) should.
have .as good a settlement as possible, consistently
with the general regulations of the other Powers.
Bat with Msts disposition tin the part of Government
towards that people, he did still drink that they had
no other claim on us than for our good offices.,
Every thing which could be done for them in that
way, his Majesty's. Ministers felt disposed to do. On
the subject of negotiation, he begged distinctly to
state, that there was no Convention of any kind re-
specting this City since the Treaty of 1815. There
was a species of Correspondence between a Commis-
sary of Great Britain and one of the Porte, but it did
not refer to the possession of Parga. Any negotia-
tion which could be carried on would be with the
Porte, and not with Ali Pasha. If the place were to
be surrendered, it would be to the former. What use,
he might afterwards make of it, the English Govern-
ment could not guarantee. The negociations of 1815
had been formed on the Bth Article of the Treaty of
1800, by-which the authority of the Porte over those
Places had been acknowledged. As to the desolation
and destruction of other towns, and the scenes of dis-
tress to which the Honourable Baronet had alluded,
he deplored them as much as any man; but he would
,not say that some part of the conduct of the Parg
notes was not such as to justify Ali Pasha's hostility.
—The object of his Majesty's (government was. to
afford to the, rarguiootes a free option of remaining
in the country, or of leaving it if they chose; they
getting a proper indemnity. To all those who left,
that indemnity would be secured; and all who re-
mained would be entitled to the good offices of their
country, and to enjoy all they would lave enjoyed
under the Treaty of 1800. This was all they had a
right to expect. Never till this night had he heard
it maintained, that we had a right to maintain this
place as against the Porte. He had thought it right
to say thus much in explanation of some parts of the
Hon. Barquet's speech, but would reserve himself to
a future occasion for further details
Mr. BCARLETT was happy to hear that the
Noble Lord had no objection to the motion* of his
Hen. Friend, as it was likely to lead to a more full
discussion of this important question. He looked upon
the surrender of Parga as an act as treacherous 'arid
perfidious as had ever disgraced modern diplomacy.
He was not aware of all- the circumstances of the
Ease, and should therefore reserve his more detailed
ppinion till the papers were laid before the House,—
' But he should say, that utiles: some newand eittaors
dinary light were thrown tiPonthe tilatterAe sbodld
doubt whether Parga ought to be Ceded at idl. "Ohs
thing he thought was cleate-that we were not bound
by the Act of 1815, or that of 1800 between the
Turks and Russians; or Tit *ere conceived that this
latter were binding, we ought to have it all or none.
The beneficial part of it ought'not to be taken from
these to whom it applied, while that which operated
against them was suffered to remain—( Hear, hear).
According to the Papers to which his Honourable
Friend had alluded, the Parguinotes themselves seem-
ed aware tht under the Would consign
them to the povier of the Tart, they could cni§i-Ao
privileges, and all seemed deterMitisel to leave a
country whore they coild not enjoy their former free-
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