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The Petition Wu forthwith seed. The Petitioners implied
deir doubts whether the Parliament did, as was said, properly
. 11116 Dille, but waived going farther into
this point ; they described the present Administration as " rot-
rapt end inc..;:stelv” (Laughs), and cen4ured thews for their late
issounpti.m th.• Vice-Regal Autharity : they expressed their
Itspes, notivichitaadieg, that the House " would not suffer a
bornicc en whom they toundett so many cheering hopes to be in-
' einuated away;" and they condemned, particularly and point.
els the • •,,,•••• in Ministers had shielded their own cri-
&batty antler the priyate Virtues of their Sovereign. The Pesti-
NOP pas now oraored t, he laid upon the table.
RZOEStOr 13J LL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the third reading of the Regency Bill.
Sir THOMAS TU RTON took notice of some in-4
consistency between the title and provisions of the
Bill. The iihject was, as the title stated, to provide
for thesdministration of the Royal Authority, whereas
the preamble the Bill expressed the intention to be
to assist his Majesty in the administration, &c. He
' therefore wished. to amend the preamble. He also
Objected to the word portion" in the Household
Clause, and proposed tnleave it out.
Mr:JOHNSTONE stated shortly thegrounds upon
thick he objected to several provisions of this
lie objected most strongly 'to the limitations, and
disapproved•of the plan of vestir.g in trustees forty
thousand poundi out of the Privy Purse. He also
°Netted. tti the extent of Patronage given to the
Queen. Notwithstanding the' long discussions that
had taken place, and the ability which had been dis-
played in these discussions, it did not appear to be
thoroughly known to many in the House, he was
sure the public did not know, the amount of the Pa-
tronage to be vested in her Majesty. In the ether
House, there were twenty-five Peers belonging to the
King's Household, and four belonging to her Ma.
jestt's establishment ; and among the Commons there]
were seven Members belonging to the King's, and
one belonging to the Queen's Household—all to be
under the influence of her Majesty. The amount of
their salaries was £30,000 per annum, as had been I
admitted in 1769 ; and besides this, other patronage
the Household, to the extent of £70,000 per an-
num, would be placed in the uncontroled gift of her
Majesty. The places too were of great value, some
yielding 1200, others 1400, others £lBOO per annum;
arid the whole number of places was 150. He could
net think itConstitutional to take away such an amount
of ?atrona,oe from the Executive Government; and
believing the whole to be necessary for the Govern meet,
be did not think it safe to withdraw so much, and to
it in hands where it might be turned against the
e Regent's Administration. But even this was not the
Whole of the patronage of the Household ; there was
an expenditure of e 210,000 in the departments of
the Lord Chamberlain, the Lord Steward, and Mas.
ter of the Horse. It had been assumed, in Mr.
Burke's Bill, that this was under the controul of the
reresury—but the Treasury only interfered where
happened to be an excessive issue for any of the
tillpartmetits ; and it was doubtful whether even this
•• troul was not at present removed. Such a patro.l
might be turned to mischievous purposes—he
Sot think it would—but they must legislate
- st possibilities. It was to the last degree im-
•yirbb.ible that the placing such powers in the hands of
the Queen would be necessary to secure the restora.
41411 Of the Royal Authority to his Majesty, but they
aited against the possibility, and this was as ne-
. Meg, ry in the case of the Queen as in that of the Re.
He objected to this for another reason, it re-
, 4 'the splendour of the Crown from its proper si.
`UMW. That splendour was useless around a sick.
beiltti and ought to accompany the Executive Autho.
Sir in 'the same manner as the controul over the
Army and hht,ey. Besides, the Regent must have
eerie establishMent to support the pomp of the Regal
Anthority, and an additiopal expence of £lOO,OOO
would probably be incurred for that purpose, which
. **in have been saved if the chief part of his father's
Household were to be given to the Regent. There
witoul£. be no want of-duty to the Sovereign in this, as
titopttier care of the Monarchy must be consistent with
interest, and gratifying to his feelings.
Mt. LAMBE complimented the just and able ar-
gument of the last speaker, and stated that he did not
mean to go into the subject at length ; but he
protested against the delay which bad taken place,
against the mOde of filling up the vacancy in the
Royal Authority, and against many of the pro-
visions in the Bill. He 'was the more anxious to
declare his opinion on the general measure, its having
'iced for some modific itions of these provisions, such
as reducing the duration of the Restrictions? and pre-
serving a greater portion of the Household for the
Regent. But he still adhered to the opinion given
by him an a former occaslbn, that there ought to have
been no restrictions at all. It had bees recommended
To pass this bill on the precedent /789-,but that pre-
*dem. was itself of a novel nature, and contrary to
Wl' faint* precedent. It was founded on reasons of
expedieisely ind if 'Restrictions were then expedient,
m was ilkie it *as much more expedient now that
Zeshould he !inn,. It was an established doctrine.
e Constitution, that the Crown could not dis-
*rise With n ACt'of Parliament without the consent.
I:kith 'Houses, and it stirs equally clear that the twq
'Mouse ivotdd,nnt dispense with, nor suspend, any of
itopifit ritrsigAtives, withorit the assent of the
t • "1 • s
' *DAM did. not intend to speak to the general
brPrinciple olthe Bill itself, but rose for the
V giving his sentiments on a subject *hick
; • Ulately introduced. •He alluded to the iastir;
, Seciet.Cammittee to'enquire into the states
'lttlid'tfiiigettrpon the Ptivy Purse. 14e had been no,
. by the Right Hon. Gentleman' opposite
4 mi
teroPtiott Coittee but be had not &noel
it fit for hitir,
:mate& Vibe honour to do, au
gh officiki aitttaoOn under he. Royal Highness
Prince of Weil,: IQ at4ll4*.,prnietdins of a Co
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ajesty's
vested anted by
the Bill : thaflarr Majesty, the Prince, and certain
other 'persons; should be trustees: and that the trust
should be subject to his Majesty's dispositions, by
deed or will ; and in the event of the demise without
will, his property should be subject to be distributed
according to law."
Mr. ADAM then stated, that these expressions
could not be considered as having any reference to the
Privy Purse; if they had, his -Royal Highness the
Prince, who felt most anxiously upon the delicacy
due to his Majesty on that subject, would certainly
have expressed himself upon it in-his answer; but on
the perusal of the answer, dated the 20th December,
it would be seen that nothing was to be found con-
cerning it. The Prince's answer he stated to be as
follows :
" The PRINCI acknowledges the receipt of Mr.
Perceval's detailed statement of those measures which
Mr: Perceval informs him his Majesty's confidential
servants have decided to submit to the Lords and
Commons now assembled, as the means of providing
for the exercise of the Royal Authority, should the
-King's indisposition unhappily be protracted.
46 The Prince, though fully sensible of the attention
of that early communication, cannot but in some de-
gree feel embarrassed by it, inasmuch as it rests not
with him to judge, nor does he deem himself entitled
to assume, how far the wisdom of the two Houses of
Parliament may think it advisable for the public wel-
fare to adopt the plan communicated by Mr. Perceval.
Were it not for this difficulty the Prince would refer
Mr. Perceval to the Prince's Answer to Mr. Pitt's
letter on the 30th December, 1788 ; that letter con-
taining the outlines of the plan intended then to be
acted upon by his Majesty's confidential servants.—
' But the Prince thinks it essential to observe, that that
communication was not made by Mr. Pitt, till after
the two Houses of Parliament had come to certain
resolutions, as the groundwork of that plan. That
answer remains on record ; and as the sentiments
contained in it were founded on a solemn contempla-
tion of the principles of the British Constitution, as
well as in an earnest desire to be able, conscientiously,
to discharge the functions of Government, en behalf
of his beloved and revered father and sovereign, in
such a manner as might best satisfy his Majesty's
well-known and constant anxiety for the advantage
and honour of his people, the Prince has only to de-
clare, that these principles admit of no change.
" The Prince cannot conclude Isithout expressing
his deep affliction at the melancholy event which has
rendered this communication from Mr. Perceval ne-
cessary ; and without declaring, that it will be the
happiest moment of the Prince's life to be enabled,
by the restoration of his Majesty's health, instantly'
to deposit at his feet those powers and interests unim.
paired, which the Constitution has presumed to be in,
separable from the exercise of the Royal Authority."
Mr. GILES expressed his strong objections to the
clause respecting the household. He also objected in
too to the clauses of the Bill, because they were at
variance with the Resolutions. He confessed his sur.
prize at seeing some Hon. Gentlemen, and among
others the Members for Yorkshire, who had agreed in
the resolutions, content to give-so very little patronage
to the Regent. He wished to kaow from the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, whether the exceptions in
the Bill were to be taken as individual exceptions, or
whether they were to be taken as exceptions of esta-
blishment ? It was net right fur the House to leave
the Vice-Chamberlain under the patronage of the
Queen, because they in fact thereby nominated the
Chamberlain themselves. They did not allow the
Queen to nominate, nor did they allow the Regent tc,
nominate, but they left the Vice-Chamberlain to act,
thereby devolving on him the duties of the superior,
whose office was vacant ; and so, in fact, electing
him, pro tempore, Chamberlain. He intended here-
after, to move an amendment, leaving out this entire
clause. He could not consider, with all the private
respect he .had for the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
this proceeding in any other light than as an attempt
to secure to himself parliamentary influence, when he
was no longer in office; but this was a species of po-
litical tactics which he hoped the House would pe-
netrate and frustrate.
Mr. SHERIDAN had intended to rise imme-
diately after his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr.
Adam), who had spoken a short time since, had not
the Hon. Gentleman, who just sat down, anticipated
him. He rose now for the purpose of declaring his
perfect concurrence in every thing which had ?Alen
from his Learned Friend. Like him, he had also
teen appointed a Member of the Secret Committee;
lot that appointment had taken place in his absence,
and he had no hesitation in saying, that had he been
present, he should have immediately moved to have
his name withdrawn. When he said this, he meant
it to be understood that ke spoke simply as a Member
`of Parliament. As such, he should have opposed his
'becoming a Member of a Secret Committee to scru-
tinize into ;he state of the Privy Purse, because he
'considered it to 1-e the most indecorous act throughout
'this most indelicate and indecent transaction. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had stated his fear of the ef-
fect which the absence of his Majesty's old servants
might have upon the mind of his Majesty on his re.
covery. This might be very plausible, if his Majesty
was to arise on some morning quite refreshed. auk
;suddenly recovered; but as that was not to be ex-
Ppected, as his reinstatement must be gradual, yid his
leonvalescence slow and /regressive, it was to be sub..
Posed that he would occasionally enquire as to what
,%ts going on about him, and that there was little
klanger of a relapse from the suddenness of the intel-
%genet. Nit if such was the sensibility of the King,
4ishat would he not feel on hearing that the Privy
Purse had been made the theme of investigation—
tat bis benevolence had been canvassed, his charities
fitted; and hie most tender and sacred impulses
Nod 'and questioned (Hear.) The ChanCellor
&chequer (said Mr. Sheridan) ba; paid -
''Sperted Complinstot. fee which -I r-
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emphasis
_ with which
Ins conceit with
enthusiasm of
y to forget that
whatever to. say
• I, the author,
ude, first, fur
making a
impossible
hear, hear. )
.fight . Gentlenian ly with an
answer to every objection—it was necessary. Neces-
sity made me ;usurp the prerogatives of the Crown—
necessity made me infringe the principles of the Con- ,
stitutionnecessity made me commit a parliamentary
burglary upon the purse of the treasury." But was
it necessity which made him expose the charities of
his Monarch ? Was it necessity which compelled him
to withhold from the Duke of York, or any of the'
other Princes, the inspection of their father's benevo-
lent actions ? Was it necessity which reduced him to
subject the modest and most retiring transactions of '
the heart to the overhauling of a Committee of the
House of Commons ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
stated the circumstances that had led to the appoint-
ment of the Secret Committee. It appeared in:1788
that there was a list of regular payments from the
Privy purse to the amount of twelve thousand pounds.
This payment the Parliament continued cn the bare
statement of Mr. Pitt, and gave four thousand pounds
to the Queen ; so that the whole provision came to
fourteen thousand pounds out of the sixty thousand
pounds. He had made enquiries, and found the
number of permanent payments now more than dou-
bled. Many would have expressed considerable ap-
prehension and jealousy if he had proposed to con-
tinue a payment of thirty-two or thirty-three thou-
sand pounds upon his bare assertion, when there was
a murmur against Mr. Pitt relative to the expendi-
ture of twelve thousand pounds. The consequence
was, that either the payments must have been sus-
pended during his Majesty's illness. or that some
such measure as this should have keen resorted to.—
To secure the proper delicacy, he had proposed Mr.
Ponsonby, if he might name him, and the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman (Sheridan) and his Honourable
and Learned Friend (Mr. Adam), as Members of
the Committee ; and he assured the House, that the
inquiry hail been conducted with the most scrupu-
lous delicacy ; that the questions were all of a gene-
ral nature; that the witnesses had been desired not to
' name the objects of his Mgjesty's bounty s and that
not a question had been put which could have given
pain to his Majesty if he had been present—the ex-
tent of his bounties were not even ascertained. He
admitted that his expressions to his Royal Highness
bad been too general, though he intended to have
made the fullest communication. Adverting to what
Sir Thomas 'ninon and Mr. Giles had said, he con-
tended, that the title and preamble were perfectly
consistent ; but he agreed to leave the word " por-
tion" out of die Household clause. In answer to
Mr. Johnstone, be said that there were only 17 Peers
of the Household in the House of Lords—and these
were not removable by the Queen, but perfectly in-
dependent. As to the criticism on the exceptions,
he maintained that all doubt had been done away on
that head by other clauses in the Bill. He allowed,
however, that the criticism on the power of the Vice
Chamberlain to appoint the officers under him way
perfectly fair—and he had that day prepared a clause
to restrain the Vice Chamberlain from giving these
appointments in any other way than during his Ma-
jesty's pleasure. This would prove that his sole ob.
ject was not to create Parliamentary influence, the
he could not hope to obtain much credit for his di..
interestedness from the Hon. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Whitbread). •
Mr. WILBERFORCE said, the objection made
by him was, that so great a portion of power should
be taken from the Executive Government and placed
under the Queen ; but when his Right Hon. Friend
proposed to render them irremovable by her Majesty,
he thought that objection was done away, and that,
instead of giving the Queen an influence, it -would
have a different effect. He had wished, had it
been possible, to have given more to the Regent: but
when the great constitutional question of political in-
fluence was got rid of, he did notthink it worth while
to endanger his Majesty's personal feelings, and give i
him pain by dividing and diminishing the House.
hold, and thus delay and endanger his recovery.—
With respect to the inquiry into die state-of the Privy
Purse, he thought it was a measure necessary ; he
could also say, that it was impossible any inquiry
could have been conducted with more delicacy ; 'it
was presuming also too much to s"uppose that the
House would, without some such inquiry, have con-
sented
to such a sum as £30,000 and upwards being !
placed at her Majesty's disposal. In his (Mr. Wil-
berforce's) opinion. and he believed in the opinion of
the country, hi; Right Hon. Friend had, by his pro.
seedings on the present occasion, 'done himself im-
mortal honour—( Hear, bear,)—and that he had pro.
wed himself worthy of the station he held ; and,
placed in the difficult station in which he had been
placed, he had convinced the country that he possess-
ed those superior talents which enabled him to meet
those slifficulties which were opposed to him with ho-
nour to himself, and to the advantage of the Public.
(Loud cries of Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then proposed the clause to which he alluded in his
speech, which was agreed to ; some verbal Amend-
ments were made in the body of the bill, which was
then read a third time and passed ; and
*The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was order tits carry it to the Lords and desire their
Lordships' concurrence thereto.
The House adjourned at half past seven till Mon-
day next.
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