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London, England, 1817-05-10 00:00:00

on the street.

CAPTi'ltr:.
Mir. CROintlAhtt seteo 3 to Izt!on, whello-r the
Opposite would flare any übjecion to pro !tie. the
tiro IQ the Walt ut the slip l'A which 6e 1414 at
night ?
• I.oNI CA.ITIEREACH sa4l that an Intrtetii
had hewn matte to thf Coon of Madrid on the VIAI

fair; and that, as a discu.siou nal pcnchug, it woua
to pr.oduce any docuitteatta uutil the aititatitia tea, act

the two Govern. nrott.

Mr.. EROUL:a.A M *lilted to I, !via, fort,ether tl

some British Officers Dow proceeding to pin t! e
employed against the South American ludepaistew
To this questiow so answer was returned.
CATHOLIC EMANCIpATIk
Mc. CrItATTAN, before he called ti
of the Home to tir: motion he intended

zniived ,that the petition of the iri•h Rom3nCstlitilies
beluds rut* 41.ine.by the C:c►'k AC:ordiagly
'The-petition of the.Rornott Catbilic4►►f Litea%.f3tft•
twin 'was then read, vu tits snotion of Mr. WlLitAit

ELLIOTT. ,
Mr. GRATTAN then rose and said, " I do not,
Mr. Speaker, intend at the present moment toisso
copy the attention of the House lur any lerrA pf
time. I shall merely piopose the busitiess whichl
wish to bring under the c,nsicieration of th,l Howie,
an'd as this is a subject 'iron whiCh so much has been
said before, I shall confine my observations upon it
to my reply. Two speecbes on this subject would,
I am certain, fatigue the House,. and perhaps be
more than my strength would be Null to. The •
Imotion for a Committee to consider the claims of the
Roman Catholics which I shall make, is siindir to
that which was carried in ISM and the motion
which I shalt, if the first shall be acceeded to, have
the honour of submitting, will be the same as was
submitted then.. It contains nothing more than a

repeal of the Penal Laws—to give relief to the Ca-
tholic, and security to the Protestant, and.oltimactir
to give satisfaction to all. I say, to give satibtac-
Lion ultimately to all—tor at the present there is no
measure to you may have recourse on this
question, which would not immediately displease
some; but if you legislarrou the broad and generous
principle 4 giving civil liberty to the Catholic. and
toll security to the etotestaor, you will do that which
ultimately must i2,ive bilis:action to all—(Hear.)The
Report of the Committee which was moved tot by my
Learned and Useful Friend (Sir I.C!ix Hippisley) and
which bas already Jaen b:line the fi•mse, sheer
you, Sir, that, in every ct,untry in Europe then& is
an admission of all the sects to civil and. imlitary
power. In which of those countries has the Govern-
ment hern,endangered by such admission I In esery
.country of Europe, as the Report of your Committee
hastusbewn so ya. -4ko-xeligioa • of the MAR IS M bear
to the revord of his civil or military deserts. Eng-
land alone is the exception to this rule. England,
great. as site is at the present moment, is ahe only
country whose 1,1. 7s d.rec.ly recapnise this intolerant
principle. 11.avi!l, pyr;iaps, be sa,t, S.r, that other
countries have steatitic' to guard against danger
from the admiasiin of djf:relt sects to temporal
power. It may In so, bet 1 beg leave to ot,s;ve„
that you s!re not without you:: it you wish.to accept
them. You hive now every reason to hope, and none
todoubt, that securities may be had, and those such
as-you yourselvet could desire—(/liar, hear.) •Aa
I those which were titer asked are now bcfure yon.--
There may have licett domestic nomination ; chase
may have ben a rao or an oath propc:c.i.
the securities are in your own cherce—(lfose,

therelore, Sir, let me not hear any Gentleman 1;4, -
that nothing is offered upon which this great rneo-
sure may be loni:Jed. You lt..ve now the matter in
your hands. Ail those securities are before you which
were once said to be necessary for the security of your
Religiord, for the se
of your Government in
Church and St:i te. The question then, Mr. Speaker,
is, nut whether shall now occlude the Catholic
hum ev,fy enipi .yme.. ‘..ivil and military, but whe-
ther we sliail seeme our religion ? It is what it ought
always to have loco, whether we 411211 adopt such
securities as are now within our reach, wldch'em-
brace the hest salepards to our church, that is to
the Protestant reltiun, nor whether we Piotestants
shall have a motturoly in the offices in the army. tiro
navy, or in any or all ut our numerous corporwe
bodies ? You once excluded Catholics from all offi-
ces in the State, because you said it was necessary to
secure yoUr religion. Yi.o will not now admit them,
though you obtain the object for which they Were*
excluded—lent own securtly. The question is now
no longer whetlier there are any offered, but whether
,yoa will tale those which ..:re? Whether you will
place round your Chinch and par Government those
fences which you once said wine so 'access oy to pro.
met them from the thingtr of foreign iniinence
There is at the
.1:1 ..!.:et,t moment a dil ect communico.
tion between the Itorm:o Catholics and tile Pope,.
From this connexion rur fears have arisen. If
yore still continue to exclude the Catholic. you lneor.
prate him with the Vatican, and you increase all ite
dangers fur which you.exclude him. lint emancipate
him, ts bich you may nue! coy our own terms, and yea
at once break the link—you cut off the communica.
tioo to the event you have so long dreaded, and bind
the Catholic to yourselves by a strunget tie than that
which yi,u !tr., say connects him with anoilrz.—.
(Near, hear !)--to the Committee I shall propose the
openingio Catlicilicithe civil. military, and naval
offices, with such provisions as will tend to satisfy
him and secure you. 1 du not mean, Sir, 1 never did
mean, that this increase of civil power should given
to the Roman Catholics without all those safeguards
which could best secure the religion in Church and
State. They are now bcfcte you, and you can chase
that which you think best to protect yoursclves; we
shall dun. 64, justify hi the eyes of Eufwe