The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1839-12-24 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEDINGS,

• A special meeting of the Town Council was held on Satur-
day last, for the purpose of receiving the report of the
committee, appointed at a meeting of the council, on
the 4th December, to take into consideration the reportof the
Town-clerk on the subject of the personation of a voter in St.
Anne's Ward, -at the municipal election, and to hear further-
evidence thereupon. The Council was also called for the
purpose of levying a watch-rate.
The MAYOR said, as the special committee appointed to in-
vestigate this case had made their report, he had deemed it
necessary to call a Special Council as soon aspossible to hear
the same. As some of the circumstances had deeply affected
the character of one of their members, he had thought this
cours due equally to the members of the Council and to the
individual who was most. interested in the enquiry.-_--(lle4r,
hear.)
Mr. WOOD said, as chairman of the committee appointed
to inquire into the circumstances alluded to, he had the satis-
faction to inform the Council,, that the committee had come
to an unanimous decision, which was contained in the report
which he held in his hand. He hoped that report would be
satisfactory to the Council, As the committee after due con-
sideration, claimed credit for a just, impartial, and conscien=
tious verdict.. _ _

Mr, noon handed the report. to the Depnty Town-clerk,
who read as follows :

4' REPORT.

" The Special Committee, to whom, at the meeting of the
Council, on the 4th December, 1839, were referred the report
of the Town-clerk on the subject.of a fraud upon the franchise
of the burgesses, appearing to have been committed, at the
polling-place, in St. Anne's Ward, at the late municipal'
election, and the evidence upon which that report was found-
ed, with power to hear all parties, to take further evidence,
subject to cross• examination by parties, and to take such fur-
ther steps, or such further legal advice, as they may deem ne-
cessary, and to report to the COuncil,•have - resolved unani-
mously'npon the following report
" That they proceeded to consider the evidence,thken by,
the Town-clerk, to call before them the witnesses examined
by him, to hear all parties, and tolake further evidence, the_
whole evidence being 'subject-to ernss'-examination; and that
they have_ come to thefollowing conclusions
That James Connor, a person who is not a burgess, did,
on the, let of November last, commit the fraud of personating
:John Bend; a burgess of the Wired 'St. kern2titivet; 'be-
fore the alderman arid-assessors that-wardy'lly.ciaiming to
vote,in,t4f .napie of .John Bond.,.for- Mr, Robert Jones,
a candidate for that ward, and now the sitting Councillor ;
and by delivering to those officers a false voting' paper, made
ontas the-voting paper of th. • burgess`,' John Bond and by;
answering the questions prescribed-
.b :the 34th section of the
Municipal: Corporation Act, alleged, however, to have been
• irregularly put. • „,
" That thecommittee concur irt the opinion ot the own-
-1: clerk, that; whether the'question4 were regularly or irregn-
E larly put. Janles_Counor was, in law, guilty.of an indictable
misdemeanour.
f` That Connor, On •tEe 21st of NoVeMber,'sailed for the
coast of Africa, in the ship John Campbell, having been, for
several weeks before the Ist of November,.engaged as ship-
carpenter for the voyage,. ,
" That, its to the candidate; Mr. ItObert Jones,, jun., the
question is, its 'stated by the ToWn-elerk; Whether the can.;
didate,•did- net, contend,- before- the alderman and assessors;
for the admissions:lf this vote,-under the circumstances which
showed, that he, at that time, knew that James Connor had
committed the fraud of personating John Bond ;' on which
queStion the Committee find !--L-
-" I.—That Mr. Jones was not present at the time when
James Connor tendered - the voting-paper or,answered the
questions.
" 2:—That there has been no evidence before them of any
occurrences, up.to that period, to affect Mr. Jones.
" 3.—That, after Connor had tendered his voting-paper
and had answered the questions, Mr. Jones did, in the booth,
before the aldermen and assessors, contend for the admission
of the vote.

" 4.—That -James Connor was the brother-in-law of Mr.
Jonea,,haVing mnrried.Mr. Jones's sister.
"s.—But that, whether Mr. Jones had, or had not, the
knowledge in question, as to the fraud at the time of his so
contending, or at.finy time; until certainly after the close of
the poll, (upoo:which knowledge the imputation against him
altogether rests,), the evidence before the Town-clerk, as well
as the further evidence before the Committee is very con-
flicting.
" G.—That, upon full consideration of the evidence before
them, (conflicting a.s it is,) the committee come, to the best
of thetKjudginent, to the following conclusions, namely.
a That upon the question. .whether Mr. Jones had or had
not such knowledge, on the one hand. Mr. Jones has the full
acquittal of thin,oo • toe; and. en the other hand, the
parties, otighsati—ng, the uirlr have the report of this com-
mittee, that such ireful - Was called for, and justified under
the circrniistahcesalhe case. " J. N. WOOD."

Mr. .BENN moved the adoption of the report. Having
been instrumental, in the first instance, in bringing the-sub-
ject before the. Town Council, he thought it his duty to ex-
press his concurrence in thiS verdict. When the report of
the Town-clerk upon what was considered a full investigation,
was brought forward, he declared himself satisfied, but,
when the Council expressed so decided a wish for further
inquiry, of course he could not object. Further evidence
had been adduced before the committee, and he was glad to
see, that the further it was carried the more satisfactory it
was as regarded Mr. Jones- .
Mr. JOHN SMITH seconded the motion.

Mr. ItArneoNt said,- it was not his intention to move
an amendment, but he might • state, that he did not agree
with that report. He could not trifle with his integrity.
During the first two days he attended closely to the evi-
dence, but the third day he was absent. However, he did
attend to the evidence, and his opinion was, that it did not
lead to the conclusion expressed in the report. If the re-
port had said, that the- committee acquitted Mr. Jones, he
would have concurred ; but it specified, that the evidence
was conflicting, and that Mr. Jones was " fully acquitted."
He felt bound to say, that, to his mind, it was otherwise :
his conclusion was, that the word acquitted would have been
sufficient, and that with " conflicting evidence," the wprds
" fully, acquitted" were not applicable. He felt sorry, that
the Town:clerk had been the legal adviser of that com-
mittee. The Town-clerk had previously made a report on
.theAsubject, and it was impossible, for that gentleman, how-
ever high-minded' he might be, not to have some little.bias
in favour of his preconceived opinion : with every determi-
nation to free himself from bias either way,' he could not
help having some partiality for his own child. He (Mr.
Rathbone,) therefore, eould not avoid thinking, that' the
Town-clerk ought not to have been selected as the legal adviser
of that committee; Mit that the Deputy Town:clerk, or Some
other legal gentleman, ought to have given the committee
the requisite lusts-tame. It was painful to him to express
his dissent from the report, and he did not doubt, that his
conduct would be attributed to party motives and not to the
true cause, which was, his earnest desire to see justice done,
Mr. ISAAC Hotarrs arose amid some confusion and cries
of " Vote, vote !" Mr. Holmes said, he claimed a right to
reply to the observatiOns of Mr. Rathbone.
Mr. JOHN SMITH (without rising.)—There is no question
before. the Council.

Mr. ISAAC HOLMES was contesting some point, the pur-
port of which we could not hear, with the members nearest
to him; when
The MAYoR said Holmes, will have the goodness
to address Me ?

Mr. Holmes continued his argument with the individuals
who, apparently; were remonstrating with him on his deter-
mination to speak.
The MAY o R.-Mr. Holmes, will you have the goodness to
sit down ? (Mr. Holmes sat down.) The Mayor said, Mr.
Holmes was perfectly in order, if he wished to reply to the
obserVations which had- fallen from' Mr. Rsthbone, or to
speak on the report. Mr. Holmes would have the goodness
to proceed, •
Sir. HoLuEs said, he did not intend to have said One word

on the subject of the report which h 4 been read, but he felt
compelled to speak now in consequence of what had fallen
from Mr. Rathbone, He felt extremely sorry, that gen-
tleman had felt-it necessary to say a word .on the subject, He
(Mr. Rathbone) said he was absent one day, and he did iaot
hear the whole of the evidence. Now he (Mr, Holmes) was
not absent at all : he heard the whole of the evidence, and
did not miss one word. He (Mr. Holmes) attended fully
to all the bearings of all the •evidence : he weighed it well,
and lie had come to a conclusion totally and diametrically
opposite to the opinion just given to the Council. He would
be brief in going over the evidence and commenting upon it.
[Mr. Holmes heteproduced a paper, which he was preparing ‘
to read from. 3
.0,004 cries of No, no !" " Vote!" "It
is not necessary I!! 17:rOrtier !" &c.)
Mr. BOLTON rose to order: The evidence was not before
the Council, awl he conceived it was not couipetent for Mr.
Holmes to comment- upon that of which the members were
'not regularly in possession,
Mr. HoptEs thought, titter Mr. Ratbbone's allusions, he
was entitled to adduce proofs of the correctness of his own
opinions from the evidence which.im,had heard given.
The MAYOR said, the evidence had iiht beau laid before the
Council. Mr. Rathbone had expressed his opinions and Mr.
Holmes might do the same. Mr. Holmes must be good
enough to confine his observations to the report.
Mr, HormEs persisted in his right to state the facts which
had been detailed, for the purpose of showing that Mr. Rath-
bone's opinions were wrong. •
Mr. Bx.acxneny said, there was a material difference be-
tween stating impressianzand going into circumstances. Mr.
Rathbone had merely state* vi gt his opinions were upon what
liejiad heard. Mr. Holmes nagig, do the same. The dis-
tinction between doing that and reading wrtions of the evi-
dence given before committee was great. tkfr. Males might
give his opinion as broadly as he
Mr. RATursorge said, if be had not supposed ti* ftkah
was the •rule, he should himself have adverted to the evideke
which he heard,

HOLME4 said, he had then cow! to diametrically Op-
posite conclusions from those of the Councillor for Pitt-street
Ward, and he would give the reasons, avoidi,ng particulars.
[Mr. Holmes was again about to refer to his paper, when the
Mayor informed the speaker, Pat any allusion to particular
evidence was out of order.) 3le, Hoinies said, he would
state generally, that evidence was. given and eirmunstances
stated—(cries of " Order ?") "Then," said Mr. Holtnea,
" I cannot go on, and I must move that the evidence he
pripted ;_for I shall not be satisfied if a shadow of doubt re.
math on the livid Bra sift l inrclivlittral4 lii the ?twit oftt=
verpoi...i. I move that the evidence be printed : and now I
willproeeed to make what remarks I considernecessary upon
it.
Mr. Smear said, he believed thecourse which: Mr. Holmes
indicated his intention of pursaillg would not be` in order.
There was a distinct motion Were the'etnintil, and that
must be. disposed of before be could make -any comments
upon any motion which he might intsnd-to introduce.
Mr. HOLNIKS (in continuation.)--Thed all he could say
was,-that the evidence which was given op the 'occasion,
which he had heard from beginning to end, and oe hick
the Councillor for Pitt-street Ward had- formed his eondu,
sions, was of such * nature that it could not possibly have
left a doubt on the mind 'of any indiVidual who exercised -his
reason and common sense. iron that evidence, it appeared
clear that it was impoasible that''Mr:,Lones could have been
implicated in the transaction. %far freni tleare having been
any ground for bringing forward the charge, he was pertein
that if; in the first instance, it had been mentioned to one ca.
two persons who had come forweial, they would at once have
exonerated Mr. .Tones, and sntisfied everyone. He felt corn,
pletely tied up in his remarks from not being allowed to re/eV
to the evidence, His opinion, however, was, that theta it
not a tittle of evidezaca to implicate Mr, Julies at all. So far
as the calumnies against ;dirt (_4r. Jones) in particular were
'concerned, the charge that he wee in the booth, a witness of
the vote when it was taken, was given : the charge that
he dressed the, individual who personate'Mud, VP given
up; and, so far from his having seen the man, it was larovied
that he-did not see him at all, and could not have seep him
unless he could see what was invisible.
Mr, 130.0rn said, that Mr, Itaibbone had stated that he
was only present the two first days of the investigation. On
the third day, when,-it appeared, Mr. H-glibpne'lyas absent,
there was most .important evidence given: Tl:ere was not
the least doubt: in the mind of any gentleman of the com-
mittee, as to the propriety of the report, nor the slightest
dissatisfaction with its terms, _ _

Mr. COGLAN said, he rose to address the- Commit with
considerable regret, as he should feel it is duty to oppose the
report, unless.the Council adopted such means as would pro-
tect him from the aspersion.of having been instigated by im-
proper and calumnious motives. He felt that he had adopted
a proper course, and the investigation which had taken pinee
confirmed him in that opinion ; to make it plain that he had
done so, he considered it desirable that the report should be
printed. The members . of the Council were not all present
when the evidence was given; out of a body of sixty-four
gentlemen; there were-not more than-eight or nine present,
and the reporters of the press were not admitted. He should,
therefore,- consider it 'his duty to oppose the report, unless

the emelt depid,ed that the evidenee ciletad be printed. Re
spoke with the strongest rpspept for ale gentlemen of the
committee, but ha had heard 'the evidence mentioned out of
doors as directly opposite to what it was: it was due, there-
fore, to the characterS of the witneasce that a correct accoput
of the evidence should be published, He had heardit stated,
that' if the evidence were not published by the Council, it
would be published by othersr not in a correct form as it was
given, but by examining the individuals who gave testimony,
and thus getting together such garbled accounts as could be
by that means collected. This, he was given to understand, .
would be done, if the evidence were not published by the
Council. As to the evidence being of a libellous character;
he begged to state, that all the witnesses came forward with-
out any other reason than theirown senseof propriety. Mr
Coglan-tepeated his full confidence in the gentlemen who
composed the committee. In conclusion, he said there were
two modes in which his desire might be carried into effect;
one was, to have the evidence printed and a copy given to
each member ; the other was to have it printed and. sold.-
He believed, in the latter case, the demand for copies would
be such that the expence to the. Council would be trifling. •
It was decided, after some conversation, that Mr. Coglan's
amendment should stand as follows : " That the report be
approved, and that the evidence taken by the committee be
printed for the use of the Council."
Mr. SMITh said, Mr. Jones had a great desire that the
evidenee should be made public.
Mr. JONES said, he wished the evidence to be made pub-
lic, and he begged to second Mr. Coglan's motion.

Mr. Busirill wished to know when this matter was:to
end. He felt as if it were to be interminable. Ht had-
hoped, that, as, Mr. Jones had already undergone two trials,
and had been twice acquitted, that gentlemen would have
considered the pain which he had suffered, during these
protracted investigations, as sufficient, even if he had been
guilty. He had hoped that, upon the result of the delibe-
rations which had then come before theiii, they would have
felt some degree- of sorrow, that an individual who had been
twice declared innocent, should have been so far punished.
With regard to Mr. Rathbone, he had made one or two
observations to which he (Mr. Bushell) must reply. He bad
brought a serious charge. against the committee. He had
brought a charge against either their judgment or their inte-
grity; for one or the other he must have meat to impugn.
His (Mr. Bushell's) judgment might be assailed, but his
integrity must not: He went to the committee with the in-
tention of steadily weighing the evidence; and he had weigh
ed it, without partiality, and without any other feeling but a
determination to do justice. As regarded the publication of
I the evidence, if it were to be done, they would go before
the public with a strange mass of testimony. Witnesses had
given their evidence, and questions had been put to them,
• and they. had been cross-examined, and there was a heap of
matter but, he-thought, it would be extremely injudicious
to being it before the public.
,* Mr. Rh...maims; asked in what way. he had impeached the
integrity of the committee. He had not said the sli4htest
thing that could impeach their. integrity. He certainly said,
•• it was a pit), that they had had the town-clerk for their legal
adviser: should hasie wished, if he had. been on the
committee, to have had some other legal adviser, as the town-
clerk had already formed an opinion. For the committee, he
knew that they were all honourable gentlemen, who would
do their utmost to arrive at a correct conclusion.

Mr. BUSHELL said, he understood Mr. Rathbone to say,
that he had attended the committee two days out of the
three, yet he had come to a totally different opinion from the
committee. Therefore, be (Mr. Bushell) concluded, that
he impeached either the judgment or integrity of the com-
mittee. _He (Mr. Bushell) did not say, that Mr. Rathbone
impeached the integrity of the committee, but, as he, who
was one, pronounced the conclusion to which he had come
to be directly opposite to that of seven, he thought he was
correct in inferring. that Mr. Rathbone impeached either one
or the other.

The MAYOR thought Mr. Booth's explanation, if con-
•sidercd, would be perfectly satisfactory. Mr. Rathbone was
present during two days of the examination, but was not
present on the third day, which had perfectly satisfied the
committee, and enabled them to come to the conclusion
which they had reported. •
Mr. RATILBON a said, the Council were not to conceive,
that he implied, because he had only heard evidence two
days, he was not so good a judge of the matter. What he
meant was, that the report declared, that the evidence was
conflicting, yet stated, that the party was "fully acquitted."
His only objection was, not to the acquittal, but to the phrase
"fully acquitted."
Mr. WOOD would observe, in reference to what had been
said of the committee having the Town-clerk for their legal
adviser, that the Town-clerk did not interfere at all in any
but legal points : they came to their decision without the in-
terference or advice 54_ the Town-clerk at all.

Mr. COGLAN said, be was sorry to differ from Mr. Wood
but the Town-clerk certainly did make comments in the
course of the proceedings.
The TOWN-CLERK distinctly recollected, thatitsvasenoved
by one of the committee, that he should give his opinion on
the whole of the evidence, but this was overruled. With
regard to his having commented on the evidence, there might
have fallen from him an occasional remark on what would
have been. the course in a court of law. He was distinctly
appointed the legal assistant to the committee unsolicited by
himself. He believed the occasion of his interference alluded
to was when he was stating to the committee what would
have have been the course in a court of law. With respect
to printing the evidence he had one observation to make on
that subject, and-the Council might take what course seemed
.to them most proper. I was now understood, that Mr.
Jones desired that the evidence, should be printed and pub-
lished. There was an end, therefore, of any consideration
about libel, for Mr. Jones consented. The Council bad no
power to make the adoption of the report the final proceeding
'as regarded Mr. Jones. If the Council published the whole
of the evidence, it would be a most important brief for any
one out of-doors who thought tit to take the matter up. In
general, he would say, that such a document would furnish
important evidence -for either party, either the individual
accused -or the accuser. -It must be remembered, that,
though the Council might have a power almost omnipotent
in that room, they had no power out of it. It was probable,
also, that the Council-would take into consideration, whether
it would be right that Connor should be prosecuted or not.
As the case stood then with regard to Connor, it was not
certain that the publication of such evidence as that was an
act, on the part of the Council, such as a judge of the land •
would approve of on.the trial. It might have a very strong
effect on the minds of the Grand Jury. He would, likewise,
just mention, as what might probably arise in the mind of,
and have -some- weight with, an individual who was in the
habit of governing himself by legal opinioni:strictly, that,
as regarded Connor, they had no assent' on his (Courier's)
part to publish that evidence though that might, perhaps,
be consi&•re&-by these as too. imaginary.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought, if gentlemen were aware of tlfe.
evidence which was given on the third day; they would change
their opinion. Ide admitted, that the evidence was conflict-
ing, but, out of that conflicting evidence, they (the commit-
tee) had endeavoured to sift the truth, and they conceived
they had done so. With regard to the Town-clerk being the
legal adviser of the committee,_ it should be borne in mind,
that the original report of the Town-clerk was what was re-
ferred to the committee, and it was at first a question whe-
ther they should take the evidence upon which that report
was founded into consideration at all, or commence de novo.
It was,'ultimately, decided, that they should take it and such
further testimony as could be produced.

Mr. SIIEIL said, it appeared most extraordinaryr that, in
a case of this sort, when the evidence was reported to be con-
flicting, and where it was decided, by the committee, that
the individual was acquitted, that a portion of the Council'
should object to the publication of that evidence. One gen-
tleman said, he had heard a portion of the evidence, and he
was not of the same opinion as the Committee : another said,
he was perfectly satisfied with the correctness of the opinion
expressed in the report. Under such circumstances, it
really seemed, that there was no other course but that of
having the evidence published. It was of importance, that
the public should have some text-book to refer to, in order
that they might judge for themselves. No doubt the evidence
would be variously stated out of doors, and it should be pub-
lished, in order that erroneous accounts might not go abroad.
It was, in fact, only common justice to the gentleman who
hui been accused. He considered it highly creditable to that
geagemas, that he had manfully stood up and expressed his
desire that the evidence should be published, and he (Mr.
Shell) could Twi see why, when he did so, that others, his
declared friends, should Shrink. He had no doubt whatever,
that, if the evidence were placed hefore the public, that pub-
lic would come to precisely tha same eonelasion which the
committee had come to. He repeated therit wtti highly cre-
ditable to the gentleman accused, that he manfully express:4l
his desire that the evidence should be published, and lie won-
dered at his advisers, that they wished to do that which would
give a handle to those who might wish to asperse him.
Mr. BLACKBURN thought the Town-clerk had laid before
the counpil points which were worthy of their consideration,
Mr. Jones had expressed a wish that the evidence should be
published, and wonded the amendment •to that effect.
As regarded Coractor's ease, •the evidence would furnish a
brief.

the To)vs-ct.pu.x sail, he meant the evidence would fur-
nish a brief for any burgess who might take up the matter
against Mr• longs. fie thought the publication would be
favourable to Connor, _ '

Mr. BLACK3I;IIW thought the Council should be careful
not to publish the evidence, and, particularly, not to let it be
exposed for sale. It ought not to be seen by any parties out
of the council except by the individual members of the
council. With that proviso he would support Mr. Cog-
lan's amendment.

Mr. COGLAN thought it desiriblEthat the evidence should
go abroad for the ends of justice generally.
Mr. BOLTON said, the time of the council had been much
:occupied with this subject. The report acquitted Mr. Jones
fully of having been privy to what was done; the report also
sa4,l.hegotuncil was fully justified in investigating the mat-
ter. He tbqught, to proceed further, was like keeping up
a feud unnecessarily.
The MAYOR read theamenchoent, in thefollowing form :
!‘ That the report be received; and that the evidence taken by
the committee be printed for the use of the Cenneil,"
The M4yon said, the Town-clerksuggested, that the adop-
tion of the• report and the question of printing the evidence
should be put separately,
Mr, RATEInoxs,,,---1 really must ask, if the Town-clerk be
a memberpf:this- Council This is not a legal question •
and T -Bank the Toieii:aatrittfria'Crifflitie cirth•notlitl;
legal points.
The M &von said, if there had been any. interference that
could be deemed improper in this ease, he alone was to blme,
The TOWN-CLERK said be was offering his opinion to the
Mayor on a merely legal matter, and it was One which would
have remained on his conscience if he had not offered his
opinion. If the report were received, in the first instance, it
would be reason why the evidence should be printed.
Mr. CURRIE asked, if there were, then, to. be a third pro-
ceeding—if it were intended that the matter should again be
opened up and investigated.
The MAYOR said, this was the very point on which the
Tqwn.-elerk had foreseen the difficulty, and spoken to'hien
The 'Council would see that the Town-clerk had been per-
fectly correct,
Mr. COGLAN. said, Ws. Amendment had; by some means,.
been altered. He did not nisnce that the report be received,
but that it b.e adopted, and that thp evidence be printed.
irkoi Mayor had read the amendthent, that the report be re-
ceived, iirili was not what he intended.
Mr. SMITH $4,1, or, Jones bad certainly not seconded the
amendment for the report t,q be received. He could' not
se,ceud that amendment. h'ad.sei,..ended the amendment,
that the report be adopted and.the evidence
JoNas said, he sem:l:tiled ni
-the aekidthei a, pn ti4e !/4-
derstanding, that It was for the report to be adopted.
The ToiA'N-CLERK hoped the Council Would
what he had suggested was necessary. '
Mr. CASK said, if the amendment were, that the report be
meted, it was open to a difficulty : they would be anytime'
it without knowing the grounds.
Mr. Smrsiu„--...-No, no ! The amendment is accompanied
with a proviso, that the eyitl'eripe be printed.
Mr. EARI.i said, his own motive for wishing the evidence
to be published was,-not that the menders of the Council
Tight have access to it, but on account of the witnesses.
There must have been some strange conduct on the part of
some of them, and he thogiht it ought to be etksed.
The MAme. read the amendment altered according to- Mr:
Coglan's wish as follqws.:--"That the report be adopted,
and that the evidence talfen by the Committee be printed for
the use of the Council.'
Mr. Josms said, he approved of that amendment.
The 'Council . divided; when there appeered for the
amendment,;—Messrs. Thornhill, Houghton, Preston, Frank-
land, H. Holmes, Filcher, Wooliright, Bright Rthbone;
Blackburn; Seger, Coglan, R. Jones, WlCae Mather, Sheil.
Ci, Holt, Earle, Barclay. Bulley, T, Holt, and' Harvey.
Against the anaendrnent,—Messrs. Quayle, Isaac Holmes,
Cue, Sandbacb, Wright; Mellor, Bolton; Priestly,
Hornby, *Yates, Cooper.' J,
.Lawrence, Robinson,'

TUESDAY MORNING, DECEMBER 24, 1839.

So convinced are the adherents of 'Ministers of an
approaching change, and so sure are their presenti-
ments of the downfal of the Whigs, that they already
'begin-to sptioalate fin the measures which Sir Itoloert
Peel will bring for Ward when he assumes that-liost
to which the voice of the country Will shortly call him,
and stands at the head of a Conservative administra-
tion.

To prevent this catastrophe, indeed, every means
which party malice and perverted ingenuity could de-
vise has been resorted to, and the most assiduous at-
tempts have been made, with a perseverance and bold--
ness worthy a better cause, to vilify the character of
the right honourable Baronet, and calumniate the party
of which he- is the acknowledged leader. But those
who have been working these disreputable engines find
at last that they are recoiling on themselves, Some
friends Of. theirs—;somewhat more zealous than dis-
creet, and, with every possible desire to slander, most
miserable bunglers at the "trade,:-=-have; of late, been
doing the greatest service to • the ConserVative cause,
by pushing thelibels.of their 'more, circumspect con-
temporaries to the degree of the absurd and the ridi-
culous. Infect, men, have already found out that the
Whig-Radical writers have been paying their under-
standings the compliment of thinking that they could
be scared by political hobgoblins, like children by the
stories of grandmama, and that what sounded like a
furious cannonade upon the
,fortress of Loyalty—the
c3use of the Conservatives—was nothing more than
:
the paltry 144,cM of the ing squibs- concocted by the
PYrotechnists of Downing-street,
Such being the case, and &h oriunrd March niCon-
servative principles' being as -steady and certain as that
of the great tide-wave of the ocean, Ministerial writer
at last condescend to admit the probability that the
present Cabinet may, at no distant period, be ejected
from the offices they are incompetent to hold, and have
their pipes supplied by men in whom a large majority
of their countrymen grip not hesitate to put unbounded
'confidence. They therefore, try tO44llo)ll§trale the
possibility of .Sir Robert Peel retainire 01E4 for any
length of time,.on the ground that the pity he repre-
sents is opposed to the - wants and wishes of a liberal
and advancing age. Now we should very much like
to know on what subject of state policy Sir Robert
Peel holds illiberal opinions ; or, rather, we should be.
obliged to any of our contemporaries who would give
us. quietly their notions of what that much-abused term
Liberality °consists, The fact is, that when Whig-
Radical writer* bring the charge of Toryism against
the Conservatives, they rake together opinions which
may have becil held and .measures which may have been.

, -
,E„pas.se4,lo4AspiWy 442.44 choosinthe most in-
. .
m vidkeits-pf ttesa as 'speciens of the whole sysiem t
Tory pOlisys they repressnA tne obsolete doctrines of a.
bygone age aa,the -tweed amonga whose
leaders we find tho names of Pee),,StaDiey, and Gra-
Imin. But events have latterly been ")-irogressing" at
such fearful Speed, and such wild and democratic
opinions have been let loose upon society, that:a man
who some twelve or. fifteen years ago would have been
quite a•Corypbeus amongst Liberals, must be content
to sit down under the charge of being a bigot—an Anti-
reformer---a Tory, unless he has plunged headlong into
the tide, and alloW—ed the wild waves of democratic fury
to drift hint in whatever direction they may happen to
flow.

Let Sir Robert Peel and his colleagues be tried by
the test of Li4erajism as it existed in 1829, and before
the Reform pill entitled the mgst noisy and desperate
se, l•ion of a;- party to arrogate exclysi,V.ely to ikellthe
title .clf Reformers; and it will be found that on no one'
subject of state wipy--,in enlightened views and liberal
opinions-:rare they in the rear of their fellow-country-
men. But no man, now-a-days, forsooth, may take
credit, to himself for liberal opinions who is not either
in favour of, or in a see-saw state of uncertainty about
Universal Suffrage, Vote by Ballot, Annual Parliaments,
and Repeal of the Corn-Laws, who does not think the
ffouse. of Lords an ineumbrance, and takes every op-
portunity of throwing contempt on the dignitaries and
crippling the resources of the National Church. These
are the titles -to the name of Liberal, and the hest
proof of it is, that any renegade from the Conservative
ranks, as for instance, Mr. Milner Gibson, the rejected
of Ipswich and Cambridge, must take some or all of
these for lie watchwords before he can be admitted as
a brother into the Liberal gawp.

Amon the favaprable signs of the times, and in
the midst of much that is, disheartening and discourag-
ing, we yet cherish. good` ,Hopes for the future, few are
more graifying or more pregnant with important con-
sequences to .the welfare of this country, than the sound
and healthy tone which so generally pervades the youth-
ful portion of the educated classes of the community.
Lord -Bacon has told us to look' for the future fortunes
of a nation in the prevailing opinions entertained by
those whose ages are between
~18. and 30 : applying
this test to Great Britain, there is no need desperare
de
,Republicd. A vast majority of our educated youth
are- Conservatives, and many even of the young mem-
bers of the great Whig families have rejected the poli-
tical creed of their fathers, seeing, as they do, that
ivhile the name is retained, there is no longer any
identity between the opinions of their Whig ancestry
and the mongrel Whiggery of the' present day.
In producing this momentous result, our two Uni-
versities have exercised and are still exercising the most
powerful effect. Oxford was never suspected of any
Prediliction for the Whigs even in their best days.
But. Cambridge must plead guilty to the " soft im-
peachment" of dallying with their principles from the
time that King William 111. sent a library to the latter,
and a company of dkagoons to the former University.
At the time, however, of the Reform Bill, she refused
to lend her venerable name to aid the mad ambition of
:the Whigs, and casting off the members, who could,
:under a new state of things, no longer represent her
opinions on the great questions of 'Church and State,
she has
.for the laSt ten years been strengthening the
good 'cause by sending 'forth from her colleges and
hills an annually 'increasing number of youthful Con-
servatives.

We are not, therefore, surprised that the Globe should
be instructed to attack these "two royal seats-of learn-
ing." They are places exceedingly inconvenient in a
land 'where the doctrines of irreligion and sedition are to
be openly and finely prentaulgated, They,,re-the best
bulwarks of the Church of England,, and this alone
would mark them out-as objects of Whig-Radical abuse.
The Globe has discovered that few of our great men
have owed theickeducation to the Universities, for in-
stance, Watt, attil Bell, and Bentham,' (but surely
Jeremy was at oxford ?) and -MisS,Martineau—only
such monks and.. pedants as .Newton, and Herschel,
and Pitt, and Canning; and therefOre, let the fiat go
forth—let the charters be withdrawn, and in every
town let some glorious Stifikonialee. rear its head,
under the surveillance of -the Town Council, and in-
struct the rising generation' in all the ologies which it
is fitting that unfledged Liberals. should know.

When a prodigions . fuss is made about a very little
•thing, it is usual to conclude that the party from whom
it proceeds are driven to the last extremity. When a
drowning man catches at a straw, no one is surprised,
but everybody sees it is because he has nothing better'
to catch at. Just so it is with a certain sweet-tempered
Town Councillor of Liverpool, and his allies of the
Revolutionary tress. After long and painful watch-
ing, and many a misadventure that has recoiled upon
.theinselves, they have at length caught their great
•opponent in a small mistake. Io triumphe,----thriee,
laid thrice— again,_ be raised the shout, of triumph
Mr. M'Neile has actually bestowed upon Mr; Rath-
bone the title of Mayor at a time when he was only
plain Dictator- Rathbone of the Angel Tavern Mar-
vellous mistake, and most atrocious ,calumny ! ! Nay,
to complete the triumph, "habent confitentem reum,"—
Mr. M`Neile confeises his mistake, and tenders his
apology ! He retracts the calumny—he admits that
Mr. Rathbone was not Mayor ! Whether the clique
have Latin enough among them to remember what
ancient critic it was who 'said that even 'Homer some,
times nodded, we will not undertake to say : but our
Contemporary is so much more acquainted with the
distinction between sins deadly and sins venial than
heretics. like ourselves can be, that we must prefer to
him an humble petition' to know at what price a ple-
nary indulgence from the consequences of this heinous
error may be purchased. Should ouE,Contemporary
not be conversant' enough with these-sdered mysteries
to say, perhaps we may have to advertise in some sub-
sequent number of this journal, " Wanted by the
advertiser, a plenarY indulgence-from the heinous sin
of having erroneously designated-Mr. Rathbone Mayor
of Liverpool. Libera/ terms are offered."
Let not, however, any serious man suppose that we
constitute:ourselves the Rev. Gentleman's adVocate on
this occasion: for, to ray nothing of the- comparison
(or rather contrast) hitween his Osii.::eontrOVersisl
abilities 'and those which are kicking the beam in the
other scale, we trust we know better than to meddle
'in such a mighty quarrel. -What ! Shall we write
ourselves guilty of the crimes inajestatis laws ? Shall
we write ourselves apologists for the man who did not
know when who was-Mayor of Liverpool ? Far, far
from us the fault and folly. We trust we have been
too observant of the, august assemblage over which
Mr, Rathbone has once presided; and that when the
question
,of Municipal Corporations for Ireland Shall
come to be discussed in the approaching Session, :the
columns of the Liverpool Standard may be searched,
and not in vain, for evidence of the mild Rnd modest
majesty, the calm and candid courtesy; the temperance,
the impartiality, the generosity, which have distill,
guished one at least of these popular bodies in Eng-
land ! It is proverbial that while "the evil that men
do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their
bones." But we assure our Liberal friends, that
though their own Press forget to chronicle them, we
will preserve entire
.the imperishable record of their
public conduct.
Forget indeed when WHO was Mayor of Liverpool !-
We should as soon think of forgetting who threatened
to wallop whom, or who spat through the window of
what t ,

Not, therefore, very clearly perceiving the precise
reason why the introduction. of Mr:- O'Connell. to a
neWsroom could be a .sin. in the Mayor, .which
was a virtue in the Councilman, we-desire to 'leave the
controversy where we' found it. We know, indeed,
too well (for we are not backward in the creed of
Liberalism) how often " that 's in the captain but a
choleric word, which in the soldier is rank blasphemy;"
but here we seem to have the rule inverted, and to
learn, "that in the Pouncilman is right, which in the
Mayor, is grossly wrong." We confess, however, to a
certain clulnegs of perception in these nicer points of
casuistry, and 'cannot for our lives conceive why, if
Mr. Owen be a rating visitor for the.. queen, Mr.
O'Connell may not be ,a fitting'assogige Op for the
Mayor of Liverpool.. . . „

Success to them,, then; with their triumph ! of
which, though it .be'no bigger, we *miuend them
to make, the most ; for we suspect that; like the sailor's
short coat, it will be long enough before they get ano-
ther. We ourselves, therefore, desire to join in ho-.
map' to the Conqueror on this occasion, and cheer-
fully adrait,bina, to be, as Dr. Francis has it,

Rich,freeOnalittfl s e : nay, a king above
All earthly Icings: with health supremely blest,
Except 4*AT/rive:ling pitlegin disturbs his rest."

• The subscription to the Liverpool Collegiate Insti-
ttitiori, as will be seen by, the advertisement, continues
to increase, The more our friends reflect upon the
subject, the more important will they perceive the es-
tablishment of such an Institution to be to the well-
being of this community. Remembering; therefore,
" Bis dat, qui cito dat," let them come forwards -at
once, and contribute the required amount. Liverpool
has never yet been backward in a good cause, and she
will not be so now.

•The calumniators of the Rev. Hugh M‘Neile will
find, in the report which we this day give of the great
public
meeting at Market Drayton,. a complete and
triumphant refutation of the lying charges which have
been recently.
.4,r9,41zt against him. He has utterly
annihilated-thepaSe and truculent assailants who have
so pertinaciously imputed tb him th,c; use of language
at once disloyal and treasonable in reference to the
person of her Majesty Queen Victoria, It would,
therefore, be quite superfluous for us to do more, on
the present occasion, than to refer our readers to the
report of his speech.

The challenge 'of the Rev. Gentleman, addressed to
Alderman Earle, will prove anything but agreeable to
that testy and pragmatical personage. This pettish
assailant has been fairly fixed between the horns of a
dilemma, froth which he will find it impossible to
escape.

Up.to the time of going, to press we had not received ally
•14eiligekce reppFctipic gie Priti§ti 91tecn'p

GREAT PROTESTANT MEETING AT
MARKET DRA.YTON, SALOP.

The friends of Protestantism in Shropshire are exerting
themselves nobly. Scarcely had the effect of the great de-
monstration at Whitehurch subsided, when the spirited in-
habitants of the loyal tow% of Market Drayton resolved to
establish a Protestant Association. In order to assist in its
formation a resolution was adopted to invite the Rev. Hugh
M`Neile ; and the public meeting was
,held last Thursday in
the National School-room. The whole of -that commodious
edifice was crowded to excess, and it was pleasing to see that
many ladies were present. Amongst them we observed the
lady of Sir Rowland Ilill, Bart., M.P. for the northern di-
vision of the county, ,and. several other ladies belonging to
distinguished families. On the platform we observed the
Right Hon. the Earl of'Bradford, Peter Broughton, Esq.
the High Sheriff of the county, Sir Robert Hill, W. C.
`Norcop, Esq., of Belton Hall, Henry Justice, Esq., of Kin-
stock Hall, John E. Wilson, Esq., of the Grove, the Rev.
!Tames Lee; vicar of Drayton, Egerton Harding, Esq., of
Old Springs, the Ttev. Mr. Pitt, vicar of Audletn, the
Rev. T. H. Harding, rector of Ashley, the Rev. John Pigott,
'rector of Bl)mhill, the Rev. John Hawksworth, incumbent
of Woore, the Rev. Joseph Reed, of Drayton, the Rev. C.
M. Long, rector of Whitchurch, the Rev. William Hall,
of Whitchurch, the Rev. B. B. Clay, of. Whitchurch, Rev.
J. Gibson, of Whitchurch, . Rev. J. Murray, of Whixall,
:Rev. J. Justice, vicar of Ightfield, the Rev. Wm. Neville,
vicar of Prees, the Rev. Wm. Blackley, of Hawkstone, do-
mestic chaplain to Sir Rowland Hill, Bart. M.P., the Bev.
C. Miller, of Cheswardine, the Rev. Mr. Younge, the Rev.
J. J. Rogerson, of Whitchurch, W. W. Brookes, Esq., of
Whitchurch, John Lee, Esq., Wm. Kent, Esq., Thomas
Lee, Esq., the Rev. Win. Stone, of Whitmore, the Rev.
Matthew Davis, of Kinstock, the Rev. Robert Upton, of
Moreton Say, the Rev. E..S. Dickinson, of Stoke, Robert
Masefield, Esq., of Ellerton Hall, Wm. M. Wilkinson and
Cresswell Pigot, Esqrs., Captain Elliott, &c.
_ _

The Right Hon. the Earl of BRADFORD was called to the
chair, and the proceedings commenced by the Rev. Mr.
LE-E imploring the Divine blessing upon them.

The Noble CHAIRMAN - then proceeded to address the
meeting. He said, called upon by a large number of re-
spectable persons to take the chair upon this occasion, I
sheuld have been wanting, in my, duty had Ideclined the
honour. (Hear; hear: •Nevertheless,' I cannot but Treatll-
- that your choice has not fallen upon-some one better
calculated than myself to s-upport and serve the great cause
for which we are Met together this day—namely, the cause
of ,Protestantism.' (Hear.) Having been conscientiously
opposed, to the very last, to that mostinCortunate and mis-
chievous measure carried through Parliament in the year
1829, generally known by-the name of the Roman Catholic
Relief Bill, it might reasonably be' expected that I should
very readily and willingly attend this meeting. I always ap-
prehended the most injurious consequences from the passing
Of that bill; but I confess I was not prepared for all the evils
-which !Imre so early resulted.from it—(hear, hear)—for I did
not thipk it possible that 'any goVernment of this country,
calling itself a Protestant government, would have directly
encouraged Popery, and at the same time have discouraged
the EStablished Church of the united kingdom, as the pre-
sent' most unprincipled and reckless government has done.
(Loud cheers.) I feel we are now in the midst of a mighty
crisis from which the band of God alone can bring us out
uninjured ; but it must be used as an instrument in his
hands, and thereforesl say it is our duty to came forward
and use our utmost endeavours to promote this great cause.
(Continued 'cheering.) Popery and infidelity are leagued
together with a large number of political dissenters—for I
maintain, I am justified in calling them political dissenters,
in order to distinguish them from the conscientious and re-
ligious dissenters, who, I thank God are true friends to the
Established Church, and to all the most valuable institutions
of the land. (Cheers.) Indeed the hand of God has already
been manifestly displayed in the defence of order and right,
for surely the elements fought upon our side in the memo-
rable events of the 3d and 4th of November, in Monmouth-
shire, when thousands of evil-minded and deluded men
leagued together, fully determined to organise themselvea
against the constituted government, and to revolutionize the
country ! (Cheers.) I beg pardon for having oceuriedratir
time so long, lint I -frzlt-my‘ftif tailed ttixm. to say this-much.
I will now give place to those eloquent gentlemen who are to
move and second the resolutions,- and whose speeches, I am
sure, you are anxious to hear. The noble earl concluded by
calling upon the mover of the first resolution.
Sir ROBERT HILL stepped forward and said—he had the
honour to propose the, following resolution for the considera-
tion of the meeting:--" That convinced by the declarations
of Holy Scripture, as OW compared with the authoritative
standards of the papal system—standards to which every be-
neficed priest of that system is still bound on oath—and aw-
fully illustrated and confirmed by historical facts, this meet-
ing is of opinion that Popery in the idolatry intolerance and
perfidy inseparable from the system, is justly compared to
Jezebel of old, and that its encouragement in Great Britain
is as directly opposed to the commandments of Almighty
God, and as wholly incompatible with the preservation of
civil and religious liberty, as the practices of Jezebel were
with the safety and prosperity and safety of Israel." He
should merely move this resolution because he was convinced
that the reverend gentleman who would second it would con-
vince the meeting of its importance and truth.
The Rev. HUGH WNIELE, on presenting himself for the
purpose of seconding the resolution, was most enthusiastically
received. 'When the applause subsided, the reverend gentle-
man addressed the assembly in the following terms :—My
Lord, and ladies and gentlemen, I have the honour to second
the resolution which has just been proposed—with your lord-
ship's permission, I will first account for my presence at this
meeting by reading a resolution passed some time ago in this
town—(hear, hear)). "At a highly respectable meeting of
the inhabitants of 'Market Drayton and the neighbourhood,
convened in the church vestry, for the purpose of consider-
ing the best means of arresting the encroachments of the
Papacy, and tlks efforts in peogress under its influence to in..
vale the civil and religions liberties of the Protestants of
this empire, P. Broughton, Esq. the High Sheriff of the
county in the chair, it was resolved unanimously, that the
Vicar be requested to solicit the valuable assistance of the
Rev. Mr. M`Neite at a Protestant Meeting, to be held in the
National Schoolsroom on -Thursday the 19th Dec. 1839,"
Cheers.) My Ard, rtave much Pleasure In accepting the
invitation of my brother Clergymen ire this place and neigh-
bourhood, and complying with their request, that I would
address your Lordship and this meeting. It is a Protestant
Meeting,—(cheers)—rendered necessary here as elsewhere,
for the revival of that defensive tone of Christian feeling, and
that determined assertion of Scriptural principle, by which
our forefathers won the glorious Reformation forour country,
and by which alone all the blessings of our civil and religions
liberties can be maintained inviolate, and bequeathed to our
children and our children's children. (Cheers.) I have
said revival, because, my Lord, for many years the general
feeling that our. Protestantism was perfectly secure, has pro-
duced the corresponding feeling that controversy against
• Popery was altogether needless. Hence the subject was
rarely, if ever, brought before the public mind. It is true
indeed that the clergy of the national church are still pledged I
at their ordination to give all faithful diligence to banish and
drive away all erroneous and strange doctrines contrary to
God's word : and that in their subscription to the articles
they solemnly enumerate most of the Romish doctrines as
repugnant to the word of God, *as. blasphemous fables and
dangerous deceits. (Hear, ,hear.)- But still, being gentle-
men and members of society, they naturally partook of the
surrounding influence of what seemed to be, though indeed
it was not, progressive civilization and refinement ; and they
were content to live and, mach, .year after year, without
ever putting themselves in Possession of those doctrines by
private study so as to be able when called upon, and ready, to
expose and contrast those abominations with the glorious
truths of the everlasting gospel of the grace of God. (Hear,
hear, and loud cheers.) I say this in the presence, lam
thankful to observe, of many of my reverend brethren, but,
my Lord, I say it not in the way of needless reproach
against my rev. brethren. I say it with deep regret as ab-
solutely demanded by the facts of the ease, and as sufficiently
accounting-for the ignorance and apathy of the country upon
this mighty subject. (Hear, hear.) My lord, it was under
Cover of this ignorance and apathy, that the Papal hierarchy,
by denyingupon oath before committees of the British Par-
liament, these obnoxious principlesof perfidy and intolerance
to which theY are pledged upon oath in their own system unto
this day; contrived most artfully to present themselves be-
fore the nation under the engaging aspect of persons injured
and oppressed because of their religious opinions, instead of
what they really and truly were, persons wisely guarded
against, because of their divided allegiance. (Hear, hear.)
I say it was rimier cover of the ignorance and apathy, which
existed among the, people, that the Popish hierarchy so suc-
ceeded. (Hear.) England, ignorant of the Papal system,
was deceived by these professions anxious to be liberal she
broke down her constitutional defences : and now, her dear.
est priveleges ere endangered by the consequences of her
credulity. (Heir, hear.) The enemies of her institutions
have pined admittance by professing friendship and calling
themselves brethren ; and now, my lord, it is painful to ob- •
serve that the faithful British 'Watchmen who, with the love
of his country and the Word 'Of his god before him, discerns
the danger and.sounds the needful alarm, has in the outset
to encounter the odious charge of being an accuser of the
brethren. (Cheers.) Thp course of events has thus placed
the defenders of Protestantism us a disidventageooa position.
I am thankful, hosveyer, my )9N, to he enabled to say that
the delusion is fast vanishing fforil the pt mind. I re-
joice in the assurance that 'Eng ishnien, iii every direption;
are beginning to see who are their real friends, and to appre-
ciate aright the dishonesty of those who have been seeking
treacherously to undermine ; the cold, coward carelessness of
those who have been consenting basely to betray ; and the
noble boldness of those who have been standing- forward de-
terminedly to defend their Protestant citadel. (Cheers.) Of
course in proportion as our testimony becomes successful in
rousing the dormant, but far from extinguished, Protestant-
. ism &, th 47. coluitry, it_stings4ittnetuip Ofistirla.eitllo road- j
ness. For a time they affects to despise us as insignificant;
they laughed at the utter absurdity of attempting to revive
the " No Popery" cry, and flattered themselves into an as-
surance that the Emancipation -Bill, to which your lordship
has referred, and then the Reform Bill, had prostrated for
ever the noble edifice of Protestant Ascendancy. They are
now rapidly discovering their mistake. It is daily becoming
more and more manifest, that, to change the statute-book of
a nation is one thing, and to change the mind and heart of a
station is quite another thing. (Loud applause.) England
is still Protestant at heart,—(renewed cheers)—and if the
clergy of the cnuntry would but give opportunity for the pa-
rochial expression of that f retestantism, by explaining the
subject from their pulpits and Bolding Protestant meetings
in their school-rooms; it would soon be matter, not merely
of opinion, but of history, that no government of any particu-
lar party would be. able to maintain power in this realm—
whatever may be that political .party—withooC distinct
avowal of Protestant principle, honestly carried out by Pro-
testant measures and Protestant appointments. (Cheers.) I
say to my rev. brethren, the cause is in your own hands.
(Cheers.) I say, if the Bible and the pulpit won the Re-
formation the Bible and the pulpit must maintain it. (Re-
newed cheers.) And why should they not? My lord, there
is an essential difference between a question of national Pro-
testantism and a question of party politics, (Hear hear.)
I would not recommend to my rev. brethren, because I would
not practice myself, the electioneering measures of the regis-
tries, or of the hustings, which are so vigorously pursued by the
Popish priests in Ireland ; but I would most affectionately
and strenuously recommend the public exposure, not only
of the anti-scriptural doctrines of the Papacy, but also of the
anti-social, intolerant principles of the Rornish system,
which render her wholly incompatible, if unrestrained, with
the enjoyment of either civil or religious liberty, under any
governaient of allY PaPLY! (Hear, hear.) .It is indeed true
and inevitable, that if any PPlitipel natty in of r state identify
itself with Popery, our testimony .against Popery will seem
to be directed against that party, not however because we
have become party politicians, but because they have become
Popish partizans. (Great applause.) If a man will clothe
himself in the skin of a beast,' and he receives a beast's
treatment, he-is not to blame those who beat him. (Cheers
and laughter.) This, my lord, is the true secret of their
rage and fury against us. (Rear.) We have brought before
the public the combiried testimony of Scripture, of history,
Of literature. of sound mPtality,' and right reason, all with
pre voice oundemOng Popery : and our testimony has told.
(Hear, hear.) Yes, so truly has it told, my lord, that the
Popish journals of the day are now corapeged to re-open and
re-argue the question Of the repeal a tjae ZRlPUcipaliou Bill

(hear) ' • and it is but a few days ago that one of their iz-I_Jitl
journals in the metropolis. substituted threats for are:!!!:dlee
and attempted to intimidate Englishmen by that -'''' o e
bugbear of treason, an Irish rebellion. itbeiasr;)o6ol:ooi
a great achievement to have brought themliear to'
Others among them are supplying a striking illastras height
the sagacity of Lord Bacon, who, in treating of " the sled
of impudency" to which the Papists of his time had
.a.tta,r'bess
in manufacturing and publishing falsehoods; seY'; .„,, end •
men are grown to a singular spirit and faculty in Ir'''tsee
abusing the world ; such as it seemeth, that although e,e,
have to purchase a particular dispensation-for all other rib,,i -
yet-they have a dispensation dormant to lie for their eh" c"-thei
(Loud cheers.) In the exercise of this faculty of lYiV'st,or
have lately circulated an invention, to which, wituoio
lordship's permission, I will now call the attention
54.,1i0e .
meeting. This I do, not only becauie. of beiolf,l'erbeeaus,
attacked in the gross and groundless- libel, bat a!s° oiree
the subject of it supplies as complete and comprehe ss stet'
view of the Popish system, in its native ahomineteme es,e : , ,
I could select. The subject is that woman Jcig cor
(Hear, and cheers.) In the faculty of lying ascribed bitesir
noble philosopher to the unchangeable Papacy, theYall; with
betters have had the fertility of invention to charge "',emu
comparing our most gracious Sovereign to " that 'let 1
Jezebel !" (Hear, hear, hear.).. As to. denying death
' had any such intention, it is scarcely worth the ore
wasted upon it. (Loud cheers.) But though there be „,leer
resemblance between
metaJeebel and our most gracious ;mos
than there is between nd Hercules, yet the resen' doe!
*
between Jezebel and Popery, I may say, with 1"4-
fie'
in Shakspeare, is " as like as my fingers are to ace..
gers." (Hear, hear.) My lord, it is a singular andiil.tdd
tire fact connected with the Bible, that a book deiga,' is
God for the instruction of all nations should be occutieneel
so large a proportion of it, with the history and circ msro
of the small and comparatively insignificant nation %el
Jews. It proves that the principles involved in that eon $
are of transferable application. History consideredforpe
series of facts supplies something new every day i flat
fact, as such, can possibly take place more than once• os•
history considered in its principles supplies nothiltg., $O.
" The thing that bath been it is that which shall, l'iess 0
that which is done is that which shall be done, am, ! ed its
no new thing under the sun." The histories eo"taiin this
• the Ohl Testament convey something more tha!nielier
general instruction. ' They were so ordered by "..' jot
' Providence as to be typical of New Testunent eve"' eel
tyl,
as the ceremonies of the Old Testament ritual were eviie
of New Testament doctrines. The history of the e'orosee
for example, and the deliverance of Israel from theer visew-
of Egypt, together with the destruction of the 11; goat
monarch and army in the Red Sea, was typical of ~,tioo
and final deliverance of the church of God, and destsed,tbe
of Antichrist. (Hearehear.) When both shall be finis," „f IR
song of Moses shall be sung, combined with the /erg ee. el
Lamb. This instance is undeniable, and serves as 3 keZe. and
like manner the destruction of -the .Aanorites by Josheedeare
. of the Princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb, hY iii Os,
are applied in the prophetic Psalms : and we h3/efrs se"
New Testaniettt a reniarkable application of the 10''''er,elterie
character of Jezebel. (Cheers,) To that I must ~ pita
Now, my lord, I am anxious to go to the fountain hese_
to
to ascertain from Hole Scriptere the leading reaturzs i?,,,bir
infamous woman's character. We are first introduceJe'rye is
in the 16th chapter -of the 'First Book' of Kings. 11 e did
read in, the 30th verse, that "Ahab, the son of Onir to.
evil in the sight of the Lord;. above all that were betbir.ee
the
And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thiof 'avg if It
to walk in the sins of Jeroboam, the son of Nrbat' ;else
had been a light thing for him to rebel against the oore„ ie
government which Jeroboam did. The goverinneot , tees
. the house of .David ; Jeroboam rebelled and carried 3Wai, be
tribes, and set up
-an adverse kingdom in Sarnaria—thass the
took to wife Jezebel, the daughter of Ethbaal, kind It:: eel
Zidonians"—that is, an idolatrous, and heathen w091:4 eget
the consequence was, that he went to. serve Baal-" 4 .01 tiP
and served Baal, and worship And he retie bat '
an altar for Beal, in the Wake- of-Ms-which be l''. re
;o
in Samaria. And Ahab matie.l grove eled Allah 'l'4 the
to- provoke the Lord God--of Israel to anger than ; font
kings of Israel that were before bins." Before we P,stentiell
this pasiage of the Holy Scriptures, I wish to call a' 00'
to the nature of the transgression which Ahab COonowse
Meer.). It was a plain commandment of God, that be etc
no images, neither bow down to them—" Thou shalt nattotaatoih
thyself any graven image, nor the likeness of any thing , attar,
heaven above, or in the earth beneath, or in the water !`
the earth. Thou shalt not bow down—" 1 hoe ,ri,Ss a
th,_:„'
" bow down," and separated it from " worshiP 'o_ 0"'
-0 ,
reason—there is a quibble about worship. (Hear.) AO
refers to the state of a man's mind, which leis lellol'4,a,
- cannot see, and concerning which he hopes hew 81tt
in a quibble., -(Hear, hear.) He may diet,i"gleirs,
fatreia, the derfirrssinul the ataaitaires Yawner aelmg;"etwr,
Mats itrYented for the various grades of rnent," „ -dseoe!,
during their worship ; but the expression bra
,i s''.s:
refers to - the body—it refers to the attitude '''' wile'
which our fellow creatures can see, and concerl'ingjart''
there can be no quibble. (Hear, hear.) I
asked, 33,00'
two since, A very intelligent Jew to give me the exaco0
ir:St"
ing of the word in the sth verse of the 20th cheeterflissem
dus. I will read you an extract from his answer.--I:octi
rev. gentleman read a Hebrew criticism, limiting t."Jesie)
ing -of - the original word strictly to the outward a' ibis./
the body,, and citing parallel passages in proof forbiatii,
For wise reasons it has pleased Almighty God t_s° e,,ireo!'e
• inclining of the body to idols. Bear that in mineueitere ti!,
cone to speak upon the subject of idolatry'. I ',,' wltstsl-:
quibbles of the Popish controversial writers al3°"fe Ile :,''
and what is not worship •, but I know that there '-eeeel.',,,
quibble about what is, and what is not, bowing down. ' did IP',
I know that Jezebel was an idolatress, and that °ases Is'
down (hear, hear); and I know also that PoperY , pits'i
down to images. (Cheers.) I would just add to th:;ster_
tation from one of their catechisms, to show the cello 1.41.
have given it. It is an Italian Catechism, Wirt" he c''''';
in 1836. (Hear. hear) You have here a list of t -e Id.P a
mandments. What is the first ?—"Io sono il re '`Y9
tuo non arrai altro Dio avanti di Ate." The secondiise e'e)
pigliare it come di Dio in vano"—(thou shalt lot tiee ';s
name of God in vain.) This catechism elee for.%
recognition of the passage of Holy Scripture "le eeele
the second cornieandrnent. Not a whisper about ti „y t,l
' down or worshiPpings or a word about the jr-a1
God expresses in connection with the second cogo-ogli bay
(Hear, hear.) It is a remarkable fact that, aith
Lord God Almighty is jealous of his honour as regaro sae'
Lord
4f
commandments, :.'et it is in connection with thewscd Of ion
to images. that he is pleased- to add, " I the Tear ,eiretihe
am a jealous God ;" and he gives us the nation:',l'esell
of this, for he goes on to say, " 1 visit the iniothoif.:;
fathers upon the children unto the third and .f. 70,.. - o'2 •
tion of them that hate me"—and. also, " 1 "r'eati'
on thousands of them which lave me and keep ell,e- the a
meats. (Hoar.) Here we have an expres:doSi."'ol.4lo
vire jealousy, connected with the national ael,,g46l'esowieeset
'from generation to generatioll. 1-lear, hear-/ .of wily
combined, in the word of god, with a proliibitileteev-r)
worship, of bowing down toimages—and yet the Lr. hi!eti
suppressed in the Popish catechism ! (Hear, ii--,doev
Here is a gap in God's word, for the convenient iTl',;e6il 0 1
of " that woman Jezebel!" (Cheers.) I seArcelY, wllicw.
to this. But here are two catechisms. mere. Iii,11,7)01 in $
-hold in my hand was taken from a National SoSer, ie
alb land last summer ; and here, in like manner, troll 0.„ 0
whisper of thesecond commandment. (Chrersse4 „geeee •
e
which I have in my hand, I purchased a few da}prot!-ct
Popish book shop in Edinburgh, previous to the'. old,
meeting in that city; and here also there is nget 'Les
~,f ,lIV,
the second commandment ! (Hear, hear.) 'l%e- 1 diet '•'
this is not all. (Hear, hear.) We read of Jellicsr,-'4OO.
painted her face : now Popery has two faces. -kaistsilloto
In some of the catechising prepared for English thee
se
where they know they are watched by Protestants trsPrr
the second c.onnandment, only it is changed in u.,:thOeir,)
than. They have "'thou shalt not adore nor worsZr,r, ht I
but still they do not touch the belying doseit_eit'•lo;et tbsFP''
This i 5 sufficient under the head of idolatry i gee'• boa,
wish you to observe, the heathen origin of i'rotel,s• oe°'
was brought from heathenism into the churoli 0, the ,'-,,setr!
will notice that. She was the daughter of Etlihaa'S, ehane°
the Zidonians. The next feature in this womal leielf°l,e:
we discover, in. the 18th chapter of Ist beck 014. he ;Ord lee,
4th verse—" For it was so when Jezebel cut off jos inter.
of the Lord, that Obadiah took art hundred Plod el tlOi
them by fifty hi a cave, and fed them with hreati. thelj'e at
Jezebel cut of the prophets of the Lord. Ile eto 4e'llor,:l
next feature in her character is, the vsecutino, losi 1,3
Pt, • , e 0 .0
the Lord's faithful servants. (Hear, hear.) to '.O ',
some notion-of the number of prophets that she rut °
we learn that Obadiah, saved a hundred, bliorser
a cave, and fed thew on bread and wat4r* it'atur.ei' the
.shall not for the present pause upon this. ifslly,
cept to request you to remember that it
of 'lO °
Scripture fastened upon the character and ftice4ooefe/i
that she persecuted the Lord's faithful servant" eietli isseo",l
The next feature in her character is found in theuotOcss',
Now, therefore, send and gather to me all Israfantifi'ile''•
Carmel,- and the prophets of Baal four hundre.`c`li elitisegt:re
the prophets of the groves four hundred, whis,eoi wwot ,
bel's table.' So then ebe•fed the false proP.„ool,Ao,lj
killed the true ; she kept a table for the enc",-,' fOr'9ololie
support of idolatrous -prophets—the prophet' -eeee `0,101'14
bowed down to images, and she cut off the true vest the II
denounced image worship. (Hear, hear.) Tile wherePe
in her character we discover in the 21st chel!,,eterbotleto etc
is the remarkable history of the vineyard of l''▪ sea liieie
desired to have Naboth's vineyard, arid he Pt7r;000,44,i,
cbaie it, but Naboth declined to sell it, belj; dirt 8P: he
part with his inheritance which was considered ;rill!' rev:
Israel. Ahab went home Sad atiir diseppointe4 , el.° ye
tion, and Jezebel said to him=-" Dort thou Palet ibleelilcs!
kingdom.of Israei?. Arise,' and eat bread, 30ntile Igo, iloi
be merry : I will give the vineyard of Nabotillso es'
,i 0.40
What did she do ? " She wrote letters in A letter' illi • *
sealed them with his seal, and Sent the diveil;•0101
elders, and to the4obles that were in his city vg, 4.1), 04,
Naboth. And she wrote in the letterst "Vs" eltlo
feast, and set Nalenth an high among the Ile"ovor • to, tp IA
1 that•for ? There wee the epPearanee Of ,191"--argiet, o'o,
so far, but what followed peat S lie 01101- '„.itienog.,/,
two men, sons of Belie. beforehim, to besrStior:slss
him, saying, thou didst blaspheme God "„ jie, „40;(1)°
then carry him out and stone him that he wa'd tO ° 'OP ,
nation operjury ! False witnesses eineloYeiter As' . ~it
he blasphemed God, and that he was a t,..,,r 8 bi,„ 01401,0
King! (Hear.) She succeeded; they s'. Or thsti,
brought the false witnesses ; they gave the°. so gic „11
him, the people took him out and stoned l'iften''elliroll/0
Ham', she ti is,
'died; andettferient word to -Jezebels- 1-...--;', she 0,,t (0,40
character—readiness to make use oftheOwee.',.-eesi'too '4'
her marriage with Ahab—reckless use 0, '' it
arses of j;,' ;
against justice, against honour—she agedaerill,`„,st red
treachery. (Hear, hear.) There was the Ora ft 'loba .1,4
spect for Naboth, for she set him up on hight:iesel,'teertet
then the treacherous false witnesses, raeLeeliesajes);eoe
to swear away this man's life. There is `yer--kr.„,),itiVi
perjury, there is robbery, there is °leis 01110,4!1
murdered Naboth, they robbed him °,,e'eege %,eis,ftid ,1
they bribed witnesses •to bring s. falsesse"'",•,-eil'e 4,1! see''
bSactrtilpetu, Scriptural
4hihsitsorsyo
'n
J°orneernB
These are the features stamped upon 4Thai/ vnika 0,3'
to the tieS;Seee ''essl:oPY
ztecpanieferther• 4`essee. se,trese
bringing destruction upon the nation, he,t; eoo,-t• sel
equities of the King and queen, sent a diVul.l/11.11 te,;;J
Jehu, to desire him to assume the reins Ofgo'p'coe g 011"
told his consimission to the people, and thy% o,i'lls; iesarl
Jezreel,
part orYing "Jehu is King," Joran,tei`i; batt;tl Der ej
fit of the wounds he had reeel""i chg to 104
Jean with him. Jelin came driving in 11' oo
teaol"
Jezreel. "And there stood a waer: as 14,4
Jegreel anti lie spied the company ofd
,1 Oa
_nes.l„; 04t:,
said, I, see a company, and Joraan seta es it r- 1150 Att
and send to meet them, and let him saY,nd seidfoo . dotot
sent out one on horseback to meet hiw,i' awilAt. the °4etd4 tl°
the king, Is it peace ? And John said, And eeeilees-ee
do with peace ? Turn thee behind-raesie but ior ,4 0
told saying, the messenger carne to the
..sebs,elc4ceA,
again. Then he sent out a second on lives it ce esws4;
to them and said, Thus saith the King, Auj t
th ,r,u.tiofP4
Jehu answered, turn thee behind me' d calve Of 1 V. 10,1
told saying, lie comes even unto there an
'id Oicef 141;tli
and the driving is like the driving of Jeh th "Moir
re'stir'f el
for he driveth furiously. And Joram s _ kiee o,oe ai
lie,
his chariot was made ready. And Jorrhi,ehero',o..(o.l6.bst
Ahaziah king of Judah, went out, each' the porti..o 0; °,OO
went put against Jehu, and met him litwhen Joe,' creeed, op;
the Israelite. 4.nd it came to eass,„d be rt071e01,5.9`.'4,10
that he laid. Is it peace, Jehu,
peace so long as the whoreeloms °,o4llYreaniPoljiktu'ltiol'oori.:fi':
her witchcrafts are so many ?" 4"eto or titterslo -Doi
ture by which we are authorised' amid /1_
eer: ideti.,l
a'auz!A is csoil criypsijo
is applied to Jezebel, in the.
of it ; but we know that the IYAri. Dorcir„i. Joey.' to in
in Scripture, to express idolatry. .1 r" 0(11 4;par.eral-01,
himself as married to Israel; the nation it y , i 0 C°' Qf ilis‘ 0.4
to a wife. True worship without idoiorebe age Q,ll
faithfulness of a wife, and idoistrY.z.iterY w_,.l e. ' Pr"
religious worship, is compared to M.' hat pea!'' '
responding words that cifscrib9 it,