Star.
London, England, 1811-01-22 00:00:00

necessary for this purpose ? nut on tins
ideas of Ministers were net to be regulated by the
km, of, Geodernen opposite. Where was the
•04 • been any specification of Officer*
`ling of the
be proved.

ii polidetarrsmes,pelf
; or wotthr *lot 'be fi
- hesiratints; Olathe
been so *Printed.

kdt vsintellateu ►n num
WOWiLI frenoitnee,
f; lie** kurreree Pen"
oribeitirist, in fact, ntskv

event
witleut-
to have 1.,
laying a foundation for a strong andlaarfol appeal-
tion (Hear, bear,) to all the ttleasares of the Regent.

,
ous' uf soalikui a rmaneutharranhoi
a ‘smighst befograined was, he
wehtile'
, than might - expected
. . ..

? there. _ any
,e excepted ? No; there had been nothi
1, and consequentlT no hand coats
Teti ficta#lnc: as firs- bagiassing

year hence,

feelings would in the natural c 'purse of
be leas acute. lie was iferse to givi all to
the

le had hien na --
nd Gentlemen had found it impossible to ayes
he ventured to say, the more the subject tres:dis-
' ' - the existing diference.

What had been said on the etleinkipiiffeerior stidoe,
observations relative to the-asimPtIRILM*I Doak
hounds ? Nat one word. Ilir.eitt'iMeidsow'
. !

'ing
all to. Regent
; 3.3 in he one
they ought. in
1 they

- -
61 now, and against g.
He would wish to do neither
.seihey would do more than the
other infinitely less than be hoped , would.—
These feelings made him against the present propo-
sition, and when, at the m*iration of a year, they
of
_

sell, the greater would be _ _ —mg _
e clause wA s to him not perfectly satisfattory,thotigh
Vas the best that could be brought in. He thought
was for a limited period, the whole of

the place was wanted
remind the Honourable Om) -whco
had stated that the task Abasing doidialk eshihlb.
Mr. Li am., 011011;.the

he

t as the plan , _.
controul ought to have been given to the Queen. I tions belonged to ,-. .. -- Lord
unhappily his Majesty did not recover in the course ; Chamberlain, that Mr. Larpent wai appointed by the
come to strip the King e. all they now gave,
lie year, he event have the establishment trans- I Lord Chamberlain, and was an officer in his depart- thould oppose such a curtailment then more than he
„d to the Regent, and then make such provision ment. 'Whatever was the term of the limitations, Opposed the line of conduct pursued at present. Thil
might be necessary for the comfort of, and dp at- whether for twelve months or less, he certainly would Right Hon. Gentleman then repeated his former ate'
dance on, the King, which arrangement he thalfght not advise any removal till the expiration of the term. guments on the Peerages, and thought it incumbent
Lill have been wen engrafted on to that made for The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to have a dif. ' upon Ministers now to make such arrangement at
Queen. In this °pillion the Kline had not con• ferent feeling from the numerous expedients he was would prevent the contention which might be expec-1,
rred with him and his Friends, and therefore/hey adopting. One Right Hoe. Gentleman whom he ted then, if they.carried their point in the pret
ist act as they could. Before he sat. down;he would , was glad td see on his legs again, had favoured them stance. He desired to throw from himself, ant rom
the House how the Queen, precluded from ap- ; with some information which hew s very capable of his friends, the odium vied' had been attempted to
ruing and removing the Officers of the Household, i giving, although he sometimes wanted a little cor- be thrown on them as intending personal insult to 1
rod by possibility be supposed to possess sufficient . rection in point of accuracy, on the patronage of the the Prince, or of being actuated by interested
ticket iefluence to have in her power to injure the Household, but bad cautiously abstained from saying tives. He gave Ministers credit for conscientiously
gent ? any thing in defence of the distribution of it as now discharging their duty, and was convinced they had
Mgr. WHITBREAD observed, that as the Right proposed. Mr. Wbitbread concluded by expressing only the good of the country at heart; such he trust-
Inourable Gentleman- hadinformed them that he member
firm conviction -that the present Bill tended to dis. ed his conduct would prove to every one to be the
I a plan different ftom his Right Honourable : member the Monarchy, and was fraught with incal- principle on which he had acted. By accident, he
end's (Mr. Percevars), thee Would probably be i culable mischief to the constitution and the best in- had been out of the House at the time when he rout&
heat to discuss and settle thee differendlibetneen terests of the country. have moved his amendment ; he should, howeeet,
.mselves. He doubted sex, lelet9=, that they 1 Mr. STEPHEN regretted having offended the yet take an opportunity of.eutting it forward. Ite
re perfectly prepared teegive an- imams vote Hon. Gentleman (Mr.Whitbread) by complimenting did not approve of the manner in which the clause
the question befortethe House. He thought, how- I him as he had done. While so speaking, he thought had been filled up, and thought it would have been A
..r, the Right Honourable Gentleman had stooped one Member (if only one) would have listened to him much mote simple way to have followe
had the
given a
rece-
ry low in condescending to usestatementwhat he could call 1 with complacency ; but finding himself in a mistake, dent of 1789, in that
of respthe per
sonse nd-sve
be placed
no better name than a quibble, in speaking of the Ihe would promise that Hon. Member to offend so no more distinctto
rtion ef the Household that was placed under the I more. telkaverle.) The eonduct of the Hon. Geatie- under the controul of her Majesty. At present its
-aeon of her Majesty. Could the Prince, he would man pat him in titi.l.l of certain fierce animals, 66 who meaning was sq obscure, that he thought two law-
e, lookiug at the Resolutions of the two ktbuses would not even stroking." (Loud laughter.)— yers of equal abilities might come to very different
deredeoltim as the conditions on which he was I There was a character drawn by a certain admirable conclusions on the same subject. He had been cen-
assume the,government Of tbe country, have ima. , novelist .(Smollett), called Lieutenent,Lismahago, mired as having introduced the fourth branch of the
led that so' eallern . tittle a share of brill:la:nee and i which then occurred to his mind. This personage, Household into the discussion. It had not been in.
lendour was tbli,..ielie ed bins,-thet he were?-be in his travels, encounters -Mr. Bramble, with whom troduced by him, and he had only adopted it in a
:ended only Of • e ereandtimeratefeatHe he issve~vssoocciable, very sociable, yet, from a certain peculiarity of mistake. He had not made a proposition that could
d foreseen the •
diktats* intendsch they were disposition, he can converse with him on- no subject place the Queen in that unpleasant situation of which
;sly to be reduced,' Albin befatendeavoured, to without flatly contradicting him in every thing he so much had been said. un
tie had only proposed that
event it, by moving that it shout be ate insert-Week says. (A laugh.) At last, Old •Bramble determines for she should have the power of summoning such Mem-
she Committee to attend to the Resolutions. They. once at least to please his companion, and avoid con- bens of the Council as might bet and nota
id now come to a point which evould,.fernish a tradlction, by censuring those at the head of affairs for she should be invidiously obliged io make such thatastone of the sincerity of the Right,llllonourable not: having raised him above the rank of a lieutenant. lectim as had been described. With respect to the
entleman's (Mr. Yorke's)) dad
and
former Su& a ming/nem, he thinks, cannot but prove grate. filling up the office of Chamberlain, if the functions
ght, of bis wih. to. glee, an e -*length and gal nastily wounded feelings of the old soldier. 'This, were to be discharged, and all the patronage and in-
itial
ergy to the Eseeutive Geeerment. _ wodldnow however, far fives. producing the desired effect, in. fluence to get out of their sphere, it must become a
ford him a wet which aituld enable- to act up fusee, Lisa . ....Al thehighest degree, who start, up question whether the power ought to be so transferred,
this declaration, or prove,. by his • with' his 24 afury, as if ~!- 7 been grossly insulted, and replies and transferred to an inferior in office.
fight Honourable Friend, that he was a gto egith.great acri , fatty contradicting his friend in Mr. YORIK, in explanation, stated, that when the
late the means of a formidable oafillSitkie tela *at all he had mislaid; eb that poor Bramble, when Right Hon. Gentleman,called upon them to make
sit,. (Haar, hear.) It might not indeed Most solicitous tOldislecitallellOiteompelled to quar. provision now for what was to be arranged at the cod,
Ippeniu Outcome of that Vte to which theßesetie- tel for his civility—(e lis#111,) The conduct of the of the twelve months, he seemed to forget that their
D'9s were Prate& that a waapcy should happen on Hat. GeeteMan was to hitt equally unaccountable. object uncut occasion was to make a temporary, not
fie Bench of aher of the Cares of Justice, nor that He had turned the subject over in his thoughts for a perm arrangement
its vacancy might not be supplbed About confenroaft some time before he could discover the cause of of. -Mr. CANNING observed, that he had been in.
e dignity of the Peenge, ste-bad been the ease, if fence. He had at last discovered where lay the sting duced to take the view he had submitted on this topic
ewas truly informed) whit- the Right Honourable in his compliment. He bad praised the democratic from an observation made by a Right Hop. Gentle.
pencer Perteval. (Near, hear) It thighs not= sentiments oft
the Hon. Gentleman, who now perhaps , man who preceded his Right Hon. Friend, in which
u the course of thatlimited period tat a-C.h thought that the time was fast appronching, when ,ie Ihe stated that the Regent need not be apprehensive as
f the Exchequer may not be procured without rte. Might be very convenient for hini to forget those sen. !, to the patronage or controul of the Householdl as at
towing, as the price of hts'aeceptance of the cake, an titnents. Rumour had already spoicen of his appoint. ! the end of twelve months, if his Majesty's illness
nermetis sinecure. (Iliar, hear. An Honourable namatto be a War Minister. A War Minister !He I should-continue, the whole would be placed at his
;entleman under the Gallery ( . Loekhan) had who, when we were most insulted arid injured, would :disposal.
liiir
Did them that influence was notes fin' opposition, have had us sheath the avenging sword, though at HILEY ADDINGTON rose to vindicate
ecause there was no army to secure the resumption the greatest peril to ourselves, was to be a War Mil himself from some allusions made to him by the
if his Majesties authority. Surely posterity, in read- :lister. He, exercising his own judgment, should re- Right Honourable Gentleman who had just sat
ng the history of these transactions and events, would der have expected him to be made Mester of the Ccre- down. The observations of that Right Honotirable
lever believe that such opinions had been uttered, or iunaes. (il laugh.) If that Honourae Gentleman Gentleman seemed to be so pointed, that he supposed
inch expedients had been resorted to, as those to were made a War Minister, he should expect the War , his sole intention in rising was to make them. He
which such opinions applied. No man, he could safe- Department to be mainxion an entire new system. I had, in what he had said sin a former occasion, only
y say, more fervently prayed-for the King's recovery He (Mr. W.) Waited ly adopt the Hudibrastic I exercised that liberty which he considered every Hon.
ban himself—he wished it for the sake of the country principle, .•.,..... -0 mi, Gentleman to be entitled to use in the avosml, of, his
—he wished it that the Regent might be rescued from ire- "He wltilleitkotorkihe *way, sentiments. .. .-2rr
hose overwhelming embarrassnieets in which he and a May live to fight itiother day."—(A laugh.). Lord CASTLEREAGH felt it necessary to say
es Ministers were in danger of being Involved. The Hifierrangements would; perhaps, be exactly the re- a few words as to the grounds of the vote he should
[-rouse had already decided that whatever was neces- verse of those of every other War Minister. lie Live. As he could not agree to the. Amendment
math to the comfort of his Majesty should Willed. ; (Mr. Stephen) would, however, be very happy to proposed, he should not vote for leaving out the
Wat was the Chamberlain but a pegean - King I see him in his new situation, and weuld not annoy words proposed to be omitted ; but when they should
in his Majesti's situation ? and a Rernt, eqUel to : him with compliments. With respect to the question come to a vote on the body of tire Bill, he should feel
what they were constituting, might' made in a ! befbre the House, it had been said, that proceeding it his duty to negative the clause, with a view to pro.
Thy-shop ! One Honourable Gentleman had-danted i with the Bill would be a fraud on the Prince' after ; pew an Amendment which would-recug his seriti-
ori the hardship" of depriving his Majesty, under his I die Address with which they had already waitt:dbitort l wants upon die subject. - Neither theAutendment
clifarnities, of the means and -instruments of his li hity:;', This he denied; A the •vedings of Minitel of the Right Honourable Gentleman, nor the clause
wonted enjeyments, and alltided to the Buck hounds, likes bA4 bees sanctioned iri tWfirst instance by the ' of his Right Honourable Friend, would execute what
sil" it were - a cruelty tO appoint * nees'llassme i I oltfiiati. They had riot 'been ptotested against, iin fits fiception, ought to be provided with. arei
and asif, even when his Majesty regained. his isisaal I extfile now maintained, that far from eheir bang at ; spect to the Household. He would go farther, aise4
health, he was not disaMed keen partaking of his fit- ' resent of a fraudulent nature'e'they would only be. ' say, that the clause, as it then stood would.not ex e,,
venrite amusement. It had been asked, tithe office I'-so if the suggestions rif aentlemen oppositerwere ' (
gze .. . . .
RietlwArt- ble
of Chamberlain was of that importance which hadlis d: ' tj
been attributed to it ? He' knew that the Chamberlain _3ls-WHITBREAD, in explanation said'he -
had the patronage of many pieces—that among others ' glad rumour had given him so high a sittiallionVeroW"
he appointed the Seijeant at Arms of that Housee •he was _aware of it, amble was' also !Gentgad that
How could this office be. without political influence ? had found the Honou and Learned leinan
It had been remarked that there was something new 'I ready to blow her trumpet. NO higher compliment ,
inhis advocating the influence of the Crown ; bat what. could be paid to him than that which the Hon. Gen- I
eye might be his opinions of the general expediency denten had bestowed on him. He trusted he should
of diminishing it, he would never attempt.'er do it by , ever prove ti onto those principles which he professed 1
X side blow, or to attack it underbid& If there were ,at present. Though he had- the greatest respect
pFople who wished to accomplish the object in that the Honourable Gentleman, he could not believe one
way. they could not find a better Captain than the ; of his assertio niac
inH could net believe that he would .
Right Hon. Gentleman. (Hear, hear, hear.) That ,be happy to se
the patronage- of such Offices as the Master of the ; catrying things a little too far. He really,could not
Horse and-the -Steward of the Household
Hondaw titan. behest the Hon. Gentleman there (hopeh In re-1
sive, was also sufficiently obvious. An eode. : torn, however, for his kindness, he d that before
man (Mr. Stephen)Who although fond of -bitting his Friends went out of office, he (Mr. Stephen) had
hard when he could, -*as , always sore what hit him- got all he wanted. (.4 knish.)
self, but to whom le wns indebted fora handsorne Mr. CANNING thought with the last
latitude'sSeatee
compliment, in-tiring called the ornament of the De- 'on that side of the 'House, that a very large
mocracy, had letelyettked hoer long it would take to had been left for apportioning the Hoasehold !on
run down an AdMintstration f' Rs and his friends the voting of the Resolutions. He-did ant. approve
had been engaged near, four years le this endeavour, of the arrangements as he thought the grew; 9fficers,
and had not let snexeeded, yet if the Resent' should such as the Lord Chamberlain, the I.ordttewarce,
choose °that Ministers, and the present were to retain and the Master. delay Horse, shenild have -gone with
in opposition that ittfluence and power Which it was the State of the Crovrn, leaving the subordinate Offss
men d those
propesesiloseohlualdfrom the_Rettent's Govern t, cars under the conteoul of her Majesty, en
he did believe a single Session would. sliffiliiiiiible whose absence the King,recovesy, ght
them to runitdown. (Nab Let the House and deplore.. He conceived the House waS not we
look at the provisioesoeslie noulditeleuames. treated when they were accused of Svant'of feeling'
-- • Gentleman's in going into what'Were called cold- - its...Whiß:
ever day might feel, it was their testi t*
. cient fortitude to look the threnteningew' '
and pro for the emergency of the ceseeeend ifs,
other result-arose from the discussions tleey liad had'
on the subject', *skip Amendmekitelakilitsalta.
-&- emogn-:,- ot .7,:x +Ae i. rt. , vi •

sit sil
as it then stood, was not a fair, a candid, or an honest
execution of the Resolutions which had been agreed
to by both Houses of Parliament. For his own part,
he should give his support to a proposition, the effect
?4.,hich would be to transfer the powers f the Exe-
tfitive to The Regent, without restrictions or abridg-
ment. The Resolution of the two Houses provided
that such a portion of his Majesty's household should
be placed under the controul of the Queen " as would
be requisite for due attendance on his Majosty's per-
sow, and the maintenance of his Royal dignity."—
This ReicAntion had been carried up and presented
to the Prince of Wales. The answer of his Royal
*gliness was, 4‘ that he did not refuse to accept the
office and situation proposed to him, restricted is they
were." But was the House to infer from that an-
swer, that his Royal Highness would have ac-
cepted the office, if it had been still further re-
was an ungracious return to his Royal
determination, that the

.

•• .
l'ixortien ofoff WIPTOIO be given to the name, that would. rid
'be a fair execution of the Resolution. But his Ho.
nourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Stephen) whe
stated that argument, should retollect that the Ree era
solution WAS not alone the resolution of that. bet
also of the other 1-louse of Parliament. It had e 4
been urged against those who thought with hitts„. tts,
that their's was a quibbling interpretation of thei,.:.se
Resolution—because, as a portion was smaller thao:,.lo
the whole, any portion short of the whole was sum-
prehended in the Resolution. But he would ask, rl
was not this a quibbling interpretation ? Would any
two men of honour countenance such a construction?'
If, in the case of an estate, a portion were to be givt'tt •
to one, and the remainder to another, would st be
considered a fair interpretation of terms to give one
acre to him who was to have the whole remainder,
and to assign the whole of the estate to him who was
to have but a portion of it ? This species of quibbling
would be a disgrace to the lowest practitioner of the
profession to which he belonged. Could any man
then sty, that this was the proper construction of the
resolution ? Could any man believe, that the clause
in the Bill was not a reversal by Parliamentary tactic
of the substance of the resolution ? He should vote
for the amendment, if for no other ground than that
it would give greater power to the Prince. His Right
Hon. Friend had-on a former night used an argument
which may have had considerable influence in the de-
cisions of the House, namely, that if a large portion of
his Majesty's household should be withdrawn, it may
have a. serious effect on his Majestyin case of his conva.
lescence. But the House should recollect how far that
argument could be carried. On the first occasion, when
it was used by his Right Hon. Friend,it had been urged
that if a Regent were to be appointed, it might have
the effect when communicated to his Majesty of
bringieg on a relapse into that deplorablee;state in
which" he was then unhappily placed. Tina. argn.
aunt, however, must fail to have any weight 'nth the
House, whit it was recollected that his Right Hon.
Friend himself had brought forward the mtasere then
under consideration, though feeling so sensibly for the. e
calamity and personal sufferings of his Majesty.—
His Right Honourable Friend had certainly been in. •
duced to take this course from a due regard to whato •
the public interest demanded. But if his Right Hon.
Friend had not been deterred from the performance .
of his duty by any morbid sensibility for the suf.
lerings of the Sovereign, his example in this
'woggle of his duty to the public with his feelings •
Jar the King afforded a justification to others in
coming to the discussion without such considerations
to bias them. It had been stated on a former night
upon high authority, that if the case of his Majesty
were that of a private individual before the Court of
Chancery, the care and custody of his person would
'riot be committed to his nearest of kin, not to his
Iseir.apparent-' and this, on the supposition that the
heir-apparent, being to succeed to the property, would
have an interest in the confinement or death of the
unfortunate patient. But so far from that being the
case now, so far back as the time of Lord Mac-
clesfield„that doctrine was exploded, as proceeding
upon the -basest suspicion that could enter into the
human breast, and as it would have the effect of
preventing persons in such a deplorable situation
fiord having the benefit of the care and attention
of those most attached to their persons, and most in-
terested in their recovery. The last instance which
had occurred in the Court of Chancery was that elan
individual, the custody of whose person was committed
to a brother, the presumptive her to Isis estate. He did
not charge his Right Hon.-Friend who stated this ar-
gument (Mr. Ryder) with any wish to spew disrespect
to the Duke of York, but really such observation had
the effect of casting suspicions upon the illustrious
)11111041ters of the Royal Famßy, to which even the
the
of his Majesty's subjects were not exposed.
He neither accused nor could he suppose his Right
Honourabl? Friend capable of offering any insult
`to the Prince of Wales. He wished he could sar
`the same of his political adherents. If so, they would ;
'not have found those public prints, %hid he shoulik-
:not say were under the protection of the Admin‘y
,stration of his Right Honourable Frienti, but whiden
'were certainly not prosecuted with the same senile'
rity and rigour as were manifested in slip instances,
pursuing a systematic course of attack +pee •
Highness, calumniating every act,
ing every word of his Royal Highness, and holding or
to scorn and derision every member of the Royektirek.s
mily. (Hear, Hear.) Neither should they have IG,
them incessantly imputing the basest- motives 'are
many members of that House for punefing on this oca
canon what they conscientiously considered theivdurpf
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIG
rose to state shortly his sentiments upon this questiecti I
He had waited till that late hour of the discussion, iesi
order that he might collect what were the sentinstsitel
of other Gentlemen upon it, and that, if 1* had Amer
earlier, he might not have felt it necessary to trouk/01
the House again with any observations. And fir*/
with respect re the -Charge of supposed though not ins.'
tended disrespect to bis Royal Highness the Prince oft
Wales, in not committing to him the guardianship of
his Majesty's person, he should only observe, that *I
they had all agreed that the guardianship should!
not be entrusted to his Royal Highness, whetheei
that were conformable to the practice in the Comet
of Chancery, all that was now out of the question.
His Honourable and Learned Friend did him no more
than justice in stating that he did not believe him to
entertain any intention of reflecting upon his Roya&
Highness the Prince of Wiles. Helamented asmuchae 1
his Honoureble and Learned Friend could any limn•
tious expressions, which in the public prints might ,
have been applied either to the Prince of Wales, or
to any of the other branches of the Royal Family ; but
that was not the time or place for the discussion of
the reflections of that kind, which may havebeen made
upon any one description or another of public men.—
When his Hon. and Learned Friend stated that the
Bill was not a fair and honest execution of the Resole.
Lions, he must beg the House to make a distinction*
tweak the Dill which he brought in and the Amend.
ments which had since been made in its pro As
he could not know, what Many HouourablereLete
themselves did not seem to have known, what Amend-
- - they meant to propose, he had brought in his
00..inuodection

ail tk.. It ,
=as, lot this'. parsiotic . A i talents ,
i iltos :to bs 4givitst under grgatar roglictinos, Dill in a &her eto adolit Of _ __ Of nor
•
.__ w • it " Jalra .
:Al, 7,01.
~
.r.t.7..• t. % ts(*, • • -, . .
. .
•
\ • ,
• . .... .
. .

look at the prottutnis..-..
With all his, sespeo har the fight Hon. Gentleman's
talents, and siabodi respected themimore;ht was con-
vinced he could f-Jrnish no plausible defence of the •
straw and inionilsteut enactments of the hill. It had
been recently aliened, tgit no nssiMbei•of the Royal
Tarntly owes to 00(16111dpi is cltoltucon's Council,

cute even the perpose which his Right Honourable
Friend professed la have in view. The strongest ob-
jection,itt`his mind, to the clause was that it rendered
the great eaters of theykrottsehould irremovable.—
Nothing could be mere. biensive than to place Offi-
i cers of that descripeiest lie attendance on the Royal
tativon ,by. the authority of Parliament, and not re-
moveable selarplessure of her Majesty. To such a
provision** sitsald Vrefer the bill of 1789 ; because,
I though that measure gave more influence to her Ma-
jesty then we/necessary, it) et zsigned:to her all that
was properly belonging to her his* ipul.ezalted. situ-
ation. He siteuldiherefore give his vote to negative
the-whole chest, in order to move an Amendment
' which would meet his own views upon the subject.
air SAMUEL ROM ILLY contended, that the Bail