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things `dim this encl.! not be conducive to Mit ptos.7• had risen from !Si. to &I. and 7e/. VA, the ?emit,.
:ared by the duty of 101. per List un Rape
parity
either at home or abroad—that the propert; lecturers and the agriceltu.ists were considerably '
of A country consisted in the produce of its land arid
LUsiSderaHlNtiGen T 0
again,N said,
when Ze wuuid
the Pill woeld
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labour--that if too much of this produce went to latter used it as a manure, which was i 1 • A •
rent and taxes, the consequence witspropoproportionatee alma: indispensable.
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privation and suffering of those by whose labour that
produce was realised—that the avarice and cunning unfer; con
of some iudividuals had succeeded in 'appropriating opportunity for the sohle Lord,
when the Hole e
**themselves, and those who were instrumental to better attended, for making any observaeat,
their views, so much, that nothing was lefl to others— , might have to lay before them.
ac it was the duty of wise Statesmen to check this The Bill was read a first time, and ordered
evil, and to oppose expensive wars, the under- read a second time on Tuesday se nought,
taking of which could neither be productive of good,
SANK NOTE rostoesim.
*or prevent evil—that the weight of the burdens . General THORNTON called the =entice
these wants fell on, the House with double force.—
ilfouse to the• teat evil sustained from •',-e
that from the attention which they had given to the number of forgeries of Bank Notes. 'two eer.o.
proceedings of the House on the subject of the Poor when he first pooset this subject on their co sac
Laws, they could see no disposition on the part of the Lion, forgeries v.-ere extremely numerous, b. s.
House to diminish the evils of pauperism—that as .e
reason to fear they wete still more so tee. t
wages increased, pauperism decreased—that his Ma- shopkeeper; of the metropolis and its viciras at t
jesty s Ministers had imprisoned many of the best cone:ow-ace much distressed. They could eet
men amongst them (a laugh) on the pretence of trea- when notes were good and when they r
son, while no treason had ever been committed— Sometimes they refused good ones and l ere eet,
oster,-'r
that as well might men have been committed for tone s ; at oily r they took bad ones and lost
murder, while no murder had ever taken place, as
yroperty.
So many had latterly been take, -;
committed for a treason which never existed—that , that it had been orgeryd necessary
any disorders which took place were solely attribut- promise with the ofendeis, by allowing
able to spies and incendiaries employed by the Go- plead guilty to the minor offence of haviz;,, for
eminent, and that nobody listened to these spies notes in their possession. Since he last brought
and incendiaries while the reformers were at liberty ; evil before the House, he had found that in the
ahat, they attributed their misery to the selfish prin- 1797, a plan to prevent forgeties of Bank Notes.
ciples which had influenced the Honourable House
submitted to the Bank by a Mr. Tilloch, which P:
for a long time—(hear, hear.) The Petition prayed
lozzi, lorath, and all the great engravers woo of,
the Honourable House to repeal the Corn Bill, that nion would answer the purpose ; and when Mr. Ti
rents might fall—to retrench all useless and impro- the Bank Engraver, had produced what he
per expenditure, that the burden of the taxes might
dared to be an imitation of Mr. Tillocles enera.
be diminished—and to reform the Commons House,
they declared that it was not like it, andfurther,
arol admit the People to the exercise of their just
it was hardly possible for it to be imitated. Vat,
rights—(hear!) Bank had declined to adopt this plan be cot
Lord STANLEY then moved that the Petition lie say-. He had heard that the expense attendant
- was the objection. He however could net the;
any expense ought to have dee' red the Beef
endeavouring to save the public from sufeen
their morals and in their property as they hal d
from the manner in which Bank Notes wee e,
sent executed. An Honourable Member Wm
for an account of the expenses incurred ky tire'
in the prosecution of forgeries during a remelt
her of years. He hoped this account would leg
and he thought would be then seen that a r
expense had occasioned to the Bank by pre
tions, than would have been incurred by act
the plan suggested to prevent the crime, by
the public a good Bank note. Such a n.easa,
equally desirable for the interests of h.ter.r.i.,
the protection of property. His aceoien hit
the more particularly directed to this subject,
notice given that evening by the Cha c]lo
Exchequer; He hoped a Committee would he t
whose report would prove, that all had beer
that could be done, to prevent forgeries, or
inquiries might discover something that art.'
some degree, prevent them for the future-4
In either case the result would be satisfactory
Public. In the former, they would more ci-
bear the evil from knowing that it coald
avoided ; in the latter, the inquiry would
highly beneficial, by putting a stop to the eta
hoped one of the Bank Directors would move
appointment of such a Committee, or that tht
cellos of the Exchequer would do so himself
cially if the Bank Restriction Act were to be
nued), or at all events that it would be Jowl
person of greater weight than he could preen.
that House. He had now to submit to them
tion, which he had so framed as to obviate
dons formerly made to it, when draught!
two years ago. He moved for "an Accon'
total nominal value of Bank of Eugiand Nos
sented at the Bank for payment, and ;eased
count of being forged, within the last six te
to the latest pet sod to which the same ceeld
specifying their amount in each year respee.'
Mr. GRENFELL concurred with nura
had fallen from the gallant General, but I
remind him that a notice had been given
motions by another Honourable Nlcmhe
which he (MoGrenfell) knew would answer
purpose as that now before the House. TI
having been given before the notice of tit
General, he put it to him, whether undo
cumstances it would be advisable to pre.
sent Motion?
General THORNTON• did not know t,
had been given of a similar motion, Ile I
jection to comply with the suggestion of the
able Gentleman, by withdrawing that no,
consideration.--:The Motion was then with.
COUNTRY ATTORNIRS AND SOLICITOI
Lot d DEERHURST presented a Petition,
by all the respectable Attornies and Solicit(
City and County of Worcester, praying th
who were not duly qualified might be piece
interfering with the Conveyancirg part of
tuns as was now the case, and sehich p:
rofession was the most lucrative and es
Country Attornies. His Lordship trested7
would take this evil into their serietts con,
which was not only highly detrimental
fessional Gentlemen, but likely to prove
rious to the Public. • lie therefore hoped t
the Statute of the 44th and 55th of his r
jesty would be repealed as bore upon tart
laid upon the Table of the House.
hilscELLANtlis.
Mr. manirr moved for a Return of the Nue
Jurors who had been summoned during the lag 1
the Sheriffs of the County of Dublin, a Return rr
of Fees taken by the Sub-Sheriff of the County ec I
years 1614-13-ld-17, distinguishing each you. :44 •••"4"
The Irish Privately Stealing DIU was read .1 Kew!?
The New Churches Ira went through a Cora
port was brought up, and ordered to be taken int(
sideration on Monday se'nnight. The Bill PAIS
printed as amended.
The American Trade Bill was read a third time
The Comntittees of Supply and Ways and 31c1
posed till Friday.
The House went into a Committee on the Mass
Mr. LIISHING'rON proposed resolutions coed
ties, which were agreed to, and a Bill ordered.—,

on the table.
Mr. BANKES was of opinion, that as this Petition
professed to come from a public Meeting, and was
only signed by one individual, it ought not to be re-
ceived. He was aware that the House sometimes
extended their indulgence so far a., to consider a Pe-
tition of a public Meeting the Petition of the indivi
dual who signed it; but as this Petition alleged only
general opinions, he thought it would be inconve-
nient for the House to extend their indulgence to it.
He wished, therefore, to refer to the Standing Order
of the House, which forbids the receiving of such
Petitions.
Mr. C. W. WYNN contended, that there was a
great difference between a Petition like this, and one
signed by a Sheriff, in the name of a County Meet-
ing. This alone was a ground for reft,..ng to receive
it ; but when he looked at the manner in which it
was worded, insulting the House, by attributing sel-
fish principles to them, he thought, in justice to them-
selves, it ought to be rejected.
Mr. LAMBTON would not enter into the question
of informality ; but he had attended to the wording
of the Petition, and he certainly could see nothing
in*it insulting to the House. He had heard many
Petitions which had been received by them, much
more chargeable with the character of offending
against their dirity than the present. If the oppo-
sition was persisted in, he should certainly take the
sense of the House on the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con-
sidered the Petition insulting to the dignity of the
House. It was insulting to the dignity of the House
to attribute to them generally what no Member in
debate could attribute to another without violating
the orders of the House. Was it not insulting to say
that selfish principles had influenced the 110u..e for a
long time ?
Mr. TIERNEY said it appeared to him that the
Petitioners had used the word " selfish" as intending
to convey that the House had entered into a narrow
view of the subject; and had not proceeded on gene-
ral grounds. If the House were to reject Such Peti-
tions as this, they might as well say at once that men
should never petition for Parliamentary Reform.—
Feeling as anxious as any man that the doors of the
House should be open to Petitions, he must declare
his opinion that there was nothing derogatot y to their
dignity in the language of this petition. The word
" selfish" was the only unhappy word on which the
Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) had been able to place his hand. The
Right Honourable Gentleman had said, that any
Member who should use that word in debate would
be called to order. Now he (Mr. Tierney) would
use that word on the very first opportunity (a laugh),
and he was sure that the Right Honourable Gentle-
man would not call him to order—(hear, hear.) If
the Petitioners had charged the House with hiving
legislated from corrupt motives, it would be very
different ; but they had not used that expression, and
he should therefore vote for the reception of the
Petition.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided.—For receiving the Petition, 14.
Against it, 42.—Majority, 28.
TAX ON HORSY-S.
Mr. GOOCH presented a Petition from the But-
chers of the County of Suffolk, complaining of par-
ticular parts of the Horse Duties.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that similar complaints had been made from other
parts of the country. It was a matter of serious con-
sideration, and should be inquired into.
Lord ALTHOItP wished to remind the House
that there was one kind of horse that was charged,
which he thought ought not to Se so. It had been
decided by the twelve Judges, that every horse that
was used with the saddle, though at other periods of
the year it might be employed in purposes of agri-
, culture, should be charged at a certain rate. He
could not help thinking that such a duty would tend
w deteriorate the breed of horses, and it would be no
great loss to the revenue to take off' the tax ou horses
of that kind.

The Petition was read, and laid on the table.
CUSTOMS CONSOLIDATION BILL.
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up a Bill to repeal
certain Duties on Customs, and to grant others in
lieu thereof.
Lord LASCELLES rose to say a word or two on
a duty which had been imposed two or three years
ago ou Rape Seed. That was an article which it was
known could not be grown in this country, because
it was stipulated in the leases of farmers that it should
not. In consequence of that duty, the oil of rape

Tna Tons.—Since the purchase that was wadi
shire horse Merlin, the odds have risen coasidera!
winning the 91.11. err drakes at 1)MIC111:Cf.
hr v ill have to travel user in his way to Newmarl
the change of training for the match he is to run
tor, are good reasons. In addition to ttas, by agree'
sale, be is to come down to him old trat‘r, aro.
sums fur the ht. Lave Stales.