Star.
London, England, 1803-05-14 00:00:00

ILCHESTER eLFCTInN.

Mr. Rose laid. that he thought hirnfdf In candour bound to
!tate his intention, that he dionli on Monday nett. when this
fubjeet would come under dlfeuMon, propote. that the Hook
dinuld agree to the three aft resolutions of the Committee op-
rintsd to try the merits of that Elettion, and alto that the
A:torney General Ibould he diredted to proisarte the parties to
whom elan& refutations referred.

Mr. I. H. Baciwn a gave notice that he would. on Tuefday
'nest. move, in a Committee' of the whole Houle, to conader
the Report of the C.oannittee appointed to inquire into the Coo-
&done and ReguLtions of Yards carrying Pailengcrs.

NIGOCIATIOW WITH FRANCE.
Lord G L. Gowen —" Sir, I think it necefrary
to move, that this Houfe do, at its rifing, adjourn
till to-morrow. The preterit firualion of public
affairs, I conceive to he in urgent as.to warrant me
in making fuck a motion I cannot but recolledi
the hall debate upon this fubjeft, when on Friday
loft the motion for adjourning over till the follow.
;ing Monday was oppoted. I am convinced that.
the Houk Should not have at that time put itfelf
out of a Situation of receiving communications,
relative to the important bufinets on which every
one was interellird: the intelligence which was re-
ceived on that night eviMpletely contntdifted the
itatemeut made by his Majclly's Milliners upon
the fame evening. The news of Lord Whitworth's
not having quitted Paris on the particular day ex-
petted. appears to jußify that fuppofition ; for
that intelligence was of Hilt a matter of fitiffieiend
importance to form the filbjeft of a coramunica.
tion to the Houfe. It Might have happened at that
time that Lord Whitworth had remained at Paris
in consequence of the French•GovernMent having
acceded to the propotals offered by our Court. and'
he may now remain from the fame cook. Seeing,•
therefore, that there is a ponibility that fame com-
munications may arrive before to-morrow, I think
that this Houle ought not to put it oat of its own
power to receive them."
The Ci.ilitiClLLOt of the EICIIIIMIRR" I sp.,
prebend. Sir, that it is neceaary for sae to
foinething on the prefent motion. I objeet to it
principally in point of form. It is impoffible to
admit it. Such a motion was never before made
in this Houle. The Houfe may, u a m;tter of
courfe, adjourn till to-morrow. An adjournment
mull in general take place from day to day. The
only terms in which the queßion can be put is, that
" this Houfe do adjourn ;" and Such a motion
mutt be made after the Houfe has difprifed of the
Qrders of the Day. The Noble Lord will fiirgive
me, when I fay that he has not been well advifed
in regard to the mode of making his motion.—
He Ilsould hate Amply moved. that the Houfe
should adjourn, or delay till it was propoted by
tome other Member that the Houfe Should adjourn
till Monday next, and then he might have amend-
ed the motion. What have now raid refers to
the form ; but my principal ohjedion goes to the
fubjeft of the motion. The Noble Lord has laid,
that the cireumnances which have occurred Since
the debate on Friday lan, have difproved the Rate.
Mont made by his Majefty's Minifiero. He, how.
ever, is certainly miftaken in that particular; for
I mull fay. that it was not difproved I I only
Rated. that I was convinced, that from the air.
cutoliance of General AndrenS having applied
for paports, that it was alto probable Lord Whit.
worth had by that time quitted Faris; but I never
'Said, that Lord Whitworth had 'filially quitted
Paris. The Noble Lord has expreffed his regret,
that this Houle did not fit on Saturday lan i and
many other Gentlemen may, perhaps. exprefs a
like regret; but I know of no circumnance that
ought, in the lean degree. to excite regret in the
mind of any Member whatever. Sorel am, that
it ought rather to be a matter of confiderable fa-
tistartion, on the part of all thole who fnpported
the motion. that the Hoeft did not aetually At oo
that day ; I mean, owing to she dangerous code-

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I!pitmen !which Might have refprted from their fri
'ming ; and I beg the More to pardon me for
ant Rating my reafims for raying fo. I did intend,
it the riling of the Houfe today, to propofe the
dual motion of adjournment, without making any
Afervations whatever, being perfeetly determined
to anfwer, as dißinely as I could, any objection or
amendment which might bepropofed. Oa Friday
lall 1 Rated to the Houfe the opinion which I en-
tertained. that Lord Whitworth was aCtually upon
his departure from Paris ; but owing to the cir-
cumflances which I afterwards alluded to, I am
not now able to exprefs any opinion, whether that
Noble Lord be or be not on his way towards this
country ; I may, however, exprefs my thorough
conviction, that there is no probability which ad.
mits of the conjeaure, that there can be any com-
munication from his Lordthip in fufficient tame to
be with propriety laid before this Hottfe to mor-
row. Owing to thcfe circumilances, therefore, I
beg.that the Noble Lord who •firft Itarted this
motion, will not now perlia in it. but that this
Hook do at its riling adjourn to Monday."
Mr. Cartittmo.—.. Sir, the Right Hon. Gentle.
man who on Friday lall made the motion of ad-
journment to th'e day following, followed, in my
opinion, precifely the fame mode which has been
purfued this day; and the amendment which was
then priipofed was Rated in a fimilar manner as
the prefent one. As all the rules of this Houfe
are, I perfume, founded on good fenfe, I cannot
diflinguilla any degree of impropriety in any Mem- ;
bet riling to move for an adjournment on Saturday. l
With regard to the objedion. in point of form, 1
which has been Rated, tt ap,:ears to MC to apply f
fully as well to the one cafe as to the other, and i
on that account I cannot difcern why filch :in
objeftion was not hinted at on the former occafion.
After it has been Rated, _however, by the Chan-
cellor. that on his own conrietion, though we o ere
aftaally to meet to-morrow, it could not be in his 1
power to make any communication, I than not
perfill in prefling a divifion. Here, Sir, in fn re-
fraining from periling a divifion on this queilion.
1 ficF leave to drop a few nbicrvations which have
,ecuried to ms. I prefunne, from the manner in
hich the Right Hon. Gentleman fpeaks this day,
hat he has fume pofitive atTurance that he cower
~,,m, be able to make fuck a communication to-
morrow. There is thus, from his own account,
no chance of ability to comply. but I may fay.that
'if it had 1' happened that he had reafon to doubt
of the prability of his being enabled to do fo,
I fhould certainly have bcea willing to put it to
a divifirin. This is not a time, Sir, in which
the Hoofs of Commons fhould confult its ordi-
nary Drape and particular caoms; no, nor even
ought it to eonfult its own convenience. It ought
molt undoubtedly to be at its port, in order to be
the channel of conveyance of intelligence which,
like this, fo peculiarly concerns every individual
in this country. In proportion as I conceive a
Parliamentary communication to the Public to
be preferable to one toiling out of the Stock
Exchange, relative to the grand point of Peace
or War, In much do I look on the one motion as
preferable to the other."
The Ctiancenaoa of the EXCHICUJEIt." Sir, I
admit that the obfervation which has been made
by the Hon. Member, with regard to the proce-
dure which was adopted on Friday lag, has been
fairly ltateda but I (*abash to you, whether or not
on any other previous occafion, a motion, with a
view to adjourning to another day, was ever ex-
+reed in any other terms, than "that the Houle
do now adjourn ?" I Rated that I was thoroughly
convinced, that no information could be received
by this Government, in confequence of which his
Majelky's Minißers could confider themfelves ena-
bled to make a communication to this Houfe to-
mOrrow. I mull repeat it again, that I remain
Rill of that opinion ; and further, that I conceive
that no communication ought to be made by his
Majeßy's Minillers, till the pending Negotiation
be either terminated amicably, or that our Am-
haliador, Lord Whitworth, be aCtually arrived in
this Country. Nay, I will even go farther, and
Rate, that I fee no probability of my being abler,"
make any communication whatever tomorrow.—
That is at prefent my opinion; but even fuppofing
it to be the cafe. that I thought there was any ex•
I
Ming. chance, I klill acknowledge, that I would
imagine h tq be incumbent on me, in the prefent
cafe, to mate the 'dual Motiod of adjoitrament
to Monday next, as I cannot at ill reconcile it to
the oinicy of this Hoofs, and to the refpettabi-
! fey *Fag Country, that we the Members of the
Hoof( of Commons &add fit upon an nnafsal
day. merely owing to the chance of receiving a
communication, for Which there is no probability
whatever."

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Mr.yr. refpeft to the motion brought.
1 forward by the Noble Lord, after the pofitive at:
fertion made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
that he WAS convinced no communication could be
made on the 1)1lowing day, I am difpofed to think
that the motion ought not to be perleyered in.—
But when the alertion of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man is accompanied by fame explanation, and
when he appears to polefs tome information which
it is not proper to communicate to the Houk, I
doubt whether the Houle ought to adjourn till
Monday. I with Gentlemen would recollea the'
fituation the country is placed in. A week had
elapfed fence the Houfe received alarming news,
that deprived the public of all hope of the prefer.
ration of peace. Since that time, nothing has been
made known to the Houle. on the fuitjett of peace
or war; but the Right Hoo. Gentleman, in his
fecund communication to the Houle, on Monday
left, laid, that matters were in fuch a train as mull
fpeedily lead to a decifive refult. Coupling tbefe
eireumilances with faas which were within the
knowledge of every body, I put it to the Houle to,
judge of the propriety of adjourning over until
Monday next. A Meffenger left Town on Saul..
day left: Intelligence has fine been received of
his arrival at Parts on Monday. Then, I will elk,
whether on the prefent night, or the next morn-
ing, intelligence may not be received, with an ac-
count of that decifive refult f Perhaps while the
Houle continued fitting, fuch information may at.
rive. Is it, therefore, in Inch an unprecedented
fasatioa, iA Atosneat of fuck infpencc, too much

to A, tbet.tbelloufe,by fitting nn the Saturday,
may be in a &tuition its which it can learn that de-
cifive refult, for which the Houfe and the country
have fo long and and•aly waited? Lail s erk.
when it was propofed that the Ifuulc should fit on
the Saturday, anfwer was made, that no commu-
nication could be given on that day. But on the
Friday night a Meffenger did arrive from Paris.
And on Friday, when the Houk was debating on
the fnbjee of adjourning. Curie Gentlemen in that
Houk were in potreffion of inform i a recently re.
ceived from Paris. I had myfelf heard, that Lord
Whitworthisdepartere from Paris was delayed. Par.
liament is now placed in a very extraordinary ti; us-
tion. The Right liar. Gentleman, with flume de-
gree of r demnity and mystery, has congratulated
the Horde on the circitmliance of its not fitting
Lill Saturday; bemire he apprehended that con-
fequenres would follow, of a nature which he does
not think pr,•per to explain. For my own part,
I can fee nn mitchievous confequences that were
likely to wife from the Houle meeting that day.
The difficulty in which the Houk hands at pre-
fent is, that information mutt be expeeed: it is
hardly poffible a night car dr•cfe without fuch
an expeaation. But the Right lion. Gentleman
told the Houk, he knew not when Lord Whit.
wnrth should arrive. On Friday lan, the Right
Hnn. Gentleman informed the Houle, that all the
papers containing the correfp•.ndence that paired
during the negotiation were ready for the prefs.
The Houle by that Ofniement was given to under-
hand, that information would fpeedily be laid be-
fore it. I thnuld now with us know upon what prin.
ciple the Right Hcn. Gentleman thinks it would be
improper, immediately after the arrival of intelli-
gence, to make fuch a communication as would re.
lieve the Country from a Rate of anxiety ? and I
cannot underhand how the arrival of Lord Whit.
worth can be material for that purpofe. But per.
haps the information received by his Majefly's Go-
vernment, may be fuch as would not be fare to com-
municate. There has been undoubtedly every ap.
pearance of that which is likely to lead to hi:shay ;
but fuppofe the decifive refult should be an accnna-
modation of the difpute; and fuppofe intelligence
of that fortunate event Ibould be received in town
to-morrow, I will aft whether that is not a fisa
which might with propriety be communicated to
the Houfe to-morrow ? But it has been Paid, that
Saturday is an unufual day. We have frequently
met on that day for the private convenience of
thole who had !airliners to carry through Parlia-
ment; and I think it much more proper, that the
Houle humid meet to-morrow on that bufinefs
which is now the fubjse of difeeffion, than on any
of thole occations which have hitherto canted the
Houfe to meet on a Saturday. I fee no probabi-
lity that we may not he placed in the fame lima.
tion next Friday which we are in at this moment.
Therefore, when the Right Hon. Gentleman pro-
poles to adjourn to Monday, I will certainly take
the fence of the Houle on that queflion.
The Seeaxea. As I have been in tome IMn
ner called upon to give my opinion with regard to
the propriety of the prefent motion, I think it pro-
per to inform the Houfe, that I cannot, from my
reading or my memory, find an inliance of Inch
a motion having been made; and I am of opinion,
that filch a motion is not continent with our orders
or our proceedings."
The CH art c a Loa of the Etc:mope, —"Sir, the
Hon. Member who jull fat down has hated truly,
that on Monday lath I informed the soufe, that
' there was a probability of the Negotiation being
brought to a decifive refult on Timidity or Weel.
nefday morning ; but circumilances did occur
which produced Come delay. What thole circum.
fiances were, I htipe the Houfe will not require me
to Rate ; but I can azure the Houle, that the delay
will be inconfiderable."
; Lord G. L. Gowssa.—l withdraw the motion,
only on account of form.
The Camicsccoa of the Exert envie moved,
"that the Houle at itssifingd radjourn toMonday."
Mr. H. Laic LLLLL thought it due to his con.
Rftency to Rate his realms for not adopting the
fame line of condua on this occafion, which he did
on Friday haft.. He Iltould not, on the prefent
quehinn, give any vote at all, and he was deter-
mined on this, .from having found himfelf, on the
former occation.' with a party which had given a
fylkmatic opPofition to Government, and which
had prejudged the quettion.
Mr. Fox made foam aberrations. in rapt,' ets
foesething which fell from the lath Speaker, and.
then proceeded in the following manner
appears very Prange to me, that the Right Hon.
Gentleman fhould think it nesetfary that Lord!
Whitworth thould be in this tonstry before any
communication &mild be made toe's; Hook.—
When the Right Hon. Gentleman illatatt.on Mon-
day fail. that the negotiation would be brought to
a decifive refult by 'rueklay or Wedisefilay lag.
and at the fame time espreffed his coavidion. that
be (hould be able to make a communication to
tis• Houfe in a very few days, did he expea that•
our Ambafrador would have arrived by that time?
He certainly could not have travelled fo as to heist
this country by the time the Houfe was to receive
the protnifed communication. Therefore, on Men.
day kit, the Right Hon. Gentleman could not
mean that Lord Whitworth mutt be in this
country when fuch information was to be given.
—But the Right Honourable Gentleman has told
us, that new circurnßances have happened fines.
and thek, he has not thought it proper to ex►
plain, but they are in tome degree made the,
ground upon which the Houk iscalled on toadjokill
to Monday. I cannot guefs at what there cit.
cumßances are : but I mull fay, if the bbfincfs had
been fettled on Wednefday LW, a metfenger with
an account of it mull have arrived in London by
this time; and in that cafe the Houk ought to be
ready to receive every necerary information, as
it was fit it Oiould know its fate as loon as poffible.
Suppok it happened that a metfenger should ar.
rive with the happy intelligence of every difputo
between this country and France being amicably
fettled : fuppofe this news Mould arrive to-night
or tomorrow morning. I will afk, if it is not fit that
the Houfe thould have that news communicated
to it tomorrevr ? Is not this Houle the props,
channel through which all ieforntation &mid he

conveyed between the King and his fulijelle, par-
ticularly in matters of tuch .moment and impor-
tance as that on which we are now debating, and
cn which every body is now In materially Waal-
? With refpeEt to the affertion made on a for-
ther day, that Lord Whitworth was about to leave
Pari., the Right Hon. Gentleman who made it
wa, certainly mitlaken ;—and fo might any body
be miaak,:n. It is probable that the delay in Lord
Whitworth', departuie has arifen from an tepee
tation that he fhould be able to feud a more fa-
vourable arifwer :—I cannot help hoping, that it
has happened in eonfequence of his judicious con.
duift• But whatever the Rate of the negotiation
may be, the Houfe ought to be in a fituation to
receive information when it arrives.
Lord Haire kssuitv.-4, Sir, I think it myl
,miry to fay a few words in regard to the prefent
motion. I am of the fame opinion on this day
as on Friday laR, and therefore think that this
motion ought to be ferved in the fame manner as
the one made on that day. I then voted for an I
adjournment to Monday on this ground, viz. that
though ft was not ufual for this Houfe to fit upon
Saturday, even on bufinefs of the mod urgent Pub-
lic or private importance, yet. where fueb a meet-
ing was likely to lead to any probable good con-
ikquences, I might then be inclined to vary Come
what from the ufual murk I and feting that no
apparent good could accrue in the prefent cafe from
inch a variation, I was jut inclined to follow the
ulna' cootie in adjourning to Monday. I con-
ceive that the Gentleman who (poke laft did not
rightly underhand my Honourable Friend, when
he imagines, that he did not Rate that there was
no pofEbility of a Communication being made by
his Mak Ily's Minifters. It is perfettly true, that
float my Hon. Friend made his Communication
on Friday laft, a delay was occafioned from cir-
cumflances which can be explained, and if ex-
plained would, I am certain, be conceived as fatis-
faCtory. If we were to fuppofe the cafe of the Ne-
gociatkm failing. and of Lord Whitworth coming
away from Paris in confequence of that failure,
this, he lays, is a probability which would require
A communication as early as poffible. If fuch un-
fortunately were to be the refult, fome time would
be required for a deliberate and proper communi-
cation ; and in the other cafe of the Negotiation
being amicably fettled, I think there can be no
doubt of his Majefty's Minifters being anzioufly
difpofed to communicate the important intelli-
gence in fome manner or other to the public.—
It has not, however, been ufual in cafes relpeEt-
irig the cooclution of important arrangements
and treaties, that the King (hould communicate
the whole particulars to his Parliament, and the
public at large, till fuch time as the whole par-
ticulars and minute circumftances of the aft or
treaty itfelf be compleatly adjufted in one way or
fo as to enable him to do it with certainty
and advantage. "IA the prefent cafe I am alfo of
opinion, that a communication fimilar to what I
have juft hinted at, cannot poffibly be laid before
this Houfe by to-morrow ; and at any rate, under
all the prefent circumftances of public affairs, I
cannot perceive any prifEble benefit likely to refult
from a hurried or imperfela communication, nor
any_ground to jullify Rich a proceeding.
Mr. MARTII4 raid, he was Rill difpofed to give
his confidence to the prefent Minifters, and &mild
continue it, until he heard fomething which
fuould induce him to change his opinion of them:
In the prefent initance he lhould with to know
what danger, or what impropriety there was in
use Houfe meeting to-morrow? He walled Mi-
niflers to confider whether fomething might not
occur from their condo& to excite the anger and
indignation of the country?
Dr. LAWR I NCI wilted to draw the attention of
the tioufe to this circumftance, that the antiert
pralice of the Houfe was to lit on Saturday.
The pretumption therefore was, that they would
hit to-morrow. How the pratice of titling on
Saturday came to be deviated from it was not
now neceffary to inquire, nor was he difpofed
to oppofe the motion of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer.
The Motion for adjourning to Monday was
then put and carried without a divifiun.