Star.
London, England, 1803-05-21 00:00:00

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HOUSF OF LORDS, FRIDAY, MAY 20.
Their Lortlfhips heard Cnunfel further upon the Scotch Ap-
peal cauie ni the Carron Company, v. Ogilvi:.
l.ord Bill for punilbing accomplices by land,
conceived is the d krudiun of (hips at ha, wa.. read a third
time. and ordered to the Conitnons.
Received from :he Comtnnna the Silver Bullion Export Bill,
the Seot,:ll iichoo;m4lers Bill, and Come others, which were
read the full. time, and urdered for the fecood reading en Mon-
day mat.
The feveral other Bilis were read in their refpedliVe Rages.

NEGUTIATION.
Lord BORRINGDON role in purfuance of the no-
tice he had given on a former day, and after a few
fliort prefatory obfervations, as .to the neceflity in
s Erich the Houfe flood, of being potretfed of the
lulled irmation upon the lubjea of the late ne-
gotiation with France, in order to be fully prepar•
ed for the dileuflion on that fubjea, appointed for
Monday next, oblei ved, that in addition to the pa.
pers already laid before the Houle by his Majesty's
Miniilers, there were documents upon other topics
to which ;iron dilution was made in his Majelty's
Ma:lit-din, not yet laid beicre the Houle, but which
his Lordship thought highly neceffary to the full
elncidation of the fubjee : more efpecially, on ac-
count
of the (hipping and effeas belonging to any
of his Majelfy's fubjeas fei zed and detained by the
French, from the figning of the Treaty of Amiens
to the Bth March, 1803 ; with the remonttrances
refpeaing the fame made by our Court, and the
anfwers of the Fiend) Government thereto ; zdly,
an account of the reprelentation made on the part
of the Britilh Court to the Government of France,
with refpcff to the arrell of Captain d'Auvergne,
and the anfwers thereto ; and idly, as it had been
intimated, that on the part of this country, previ
oufly to the final departure of Lord Whitworth
from Paris, a Prnjet had been delivered to him on
the part of the Brit:ith Government to that of
France, claiming the pofreflion of Malta in perpe-
tuity ; and that a Contrc Projet had been retun-
ed, fince the departure of Lord Whitworth. He
therefore thought, that a copy of the Contre Pro-
jet was neceffary to the information of the Houfe.
His Lordfhip moved accordingly for thefe three
revel al documents.
Lord Pci-max acceded to the propriety of the
Bra of the Noble Lord's motions, and laid there
could be no objeaion to laying before the ,Houfe
the documents required thereby. With refpee,
however, to the communications refpeaing Capt.
d'Auvergne, he was not now prepared to fay,whe-
ther they were of a nature which admitted the
propriety of laying them before the Houle. He
Ihould, however, advert to the papers, and come
prepared to anfsver the Noble Lord's motion on
Monday, by then laying they before the Houfe,
if it fhould appear proper fo to do ; and with re-
gard to the third quellion, with refpea to the corn
munication of a Contre Projet, he did nos hefitate
to admit that fuch a Prnjet was made ; but it was
of a fecret and confidential nature, which could
mot warrant its difclofure at the prefent moment.
It was, befide, not in the fhape of what could be
eonfidered an official communication, and of a na-
ture which made it neceffary for him to caution
the Houfe againfl entertaining any opinion that it
would be admiffiale on the part of the Britifh Go-
vernment, or lead to any negotiation.
Lord STAN HOP a exprefred his fatisfaftion at the
readinefe of the Noble Lord to comply with the
motion refpeaing the (hipping and aces of Bri-
tifb feiaed and detained under the authori•
ty of the French Government, refpeeting which no
ratisfadion had been obtained. But his Lordfhip
thought the documents refpeaing Captain d'Au-
vergne, if not brought forward before Monday,
would then come too late for the information of the
Both, as preparatory to the difcuffion for that day.
The queftion was then put by the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR upon the Grit of Lord Borringdou's mo-
tions, and agreed to.
Lord BORRIEGDON then raid, be felt the fairnefs
of his Noble Friend (Lord Pelham's) objeaions,
and accordingly withdrew, fur the prefent, his
other two motions.
EARL Firzwit.ztass then role to prop& a (c-
-ries of motions for other documents neceffary to
the preparation of the Houfe for the difctiffion on
Monday. The papers demanded were fimilar to
thofe moved for by Mr. Grey on Thurfday.
To the produetion of many of the papers, Lord
Ps t. AM acceded; but to that refpeeing the do-
cuments received by Government about the arma-
ments carrying on in the F!. ich and Dutch ports,
be decidedly objected, upon the fame round on
which it had been oppi.led on Thurfday in the
Houle of Commons.
Lord CARLISLE agreed with the Noble Lord
upon the floor (Lord Fitzwilliam) in the neceffity
of producing the documents for which he moved,
but not as preparatory to the queftion of Monday,
upon which he willed the Houfe would be una-
nimous, namely, an Addrefs declaratory of the
promptitude of that Houle to fupport his Majeily
in every meafure neceffary to the maintenance of
his CI own and dignity, and to the defence of the
jut' tights and interefts of his fubjeas. But there
was another queftion, to which he trufled the vi-
gilant enquiry of the Houfe would at no very re-
mote day be direeed, namely, the condua of his
Majefty's Minitlers in refpea to the whole of the
Negotiation ; and to this purpofe, fo neceffary,
did lie conceive the documents moved by the No-
ble Earl, that he had it in his own contemplation
to have mm-ed for them at a future day, prepara-
tory to ton-Lich he all-ided. Ile con-
chided b, oi.iierving, that if the Country had no
ftronger :id- going to war than ti:: notoriety
of armaments in the French 7.nd Dutch parts, al-
!edged this 2.-ty by the Noble y of State,
the corrimn-I:caiion fo alai niingly °oi% en to Parlia-
ment and the Country, to juitifythe calling out
of the Militia, and incredling the public force,
was an illegal ad, f ir which the Moti; n of the
isliniiter nitzht td have been accompanied by a
(.ill of Indeinniiy.
Lord Hoe tRT di:clan-1 his high fatii.lietion at
the citnidei.c.-: ceprefli:d by the Noble Lord, that
the I icicle wo!ild be unanimous in their refidotions
on Monday, to maintain the honour and dignity
of his najeily's Crown, and the inter:its and fe•

eurity of' the country. That was a ground upon
which he fincerely relied ; the Parliament and the
People would have hut one mind; but with relpea
to the other objet of the Noble Lord's allufion,
namely, an enquiry into the conduit of his Majel-
ty's Ministers, he anxioufly hoped the day would
come for that enquiry, for which they molt ar-
dently wiffied, and from which they would not be
found to (brink.
The queftion being put on the firft of Lord Fitz-
wiiliam's motions, the Noble Lord role, and ex•
pretfed his confidence that thiscountry had nothing
to fear from the menaces of French invation,
unlels it was to be effected in a faipernatural way,
which feemed to be In ferinully apprehended by a
Noble Earl on a former right.
Earl STAN HOPE, (to whom this allufinn teemed
to apply), rol-.• and obferved, with reference to the
lubieet to which he had a few nights fince called
thiir Lordfhips'attention,that the danger to which
he had adverted WAS not a project of fubmarine
navigation, by which the (bores or the fleets of this
country would be approached without danger ; for
fuch an idea he held to be abford and ridiculous.
The project to which he alluded, as in poffeftion
of the French Government, was one, upon the
fubjet of which he had received authentic commu-
n,cation from no lefs than Jivers different Channels.—
It was a project communicated to the Firft Conful,
by an American. Gentleman named Fulton; by
fome it was laid to have been extorted from him
as the price of raving his life ; but be that as it may,
I it was for a confiderable time in the poffeffion of
the Firft Conful, and feveral men of fcientific ex•
perience had been molt completely convinced with
him of its perfect praCticability, far the mifchievous
purpofe he had before mentioned, namely, the de-
-1 flruetion of our kipping, in a way which the Ad-
-1 miralty could no: prevent.—Three Noble Lords
in that Hook, whole names he would not repeat
—Noble Lards not in the habit of voting with him
upon queftions in that Houfe, confequently not
men of his way of thinking, but acknowledged and
attached friends of Minifters, bad allured him, that
if his Majefty's Minifters would fanftion the en-
quiry, they would chearfully aid him in it. The
motives which aauated his zeal in this affair, were
a finccre love for his country, her fecurity, her
navy, her commerce, and a zealous defire to pre-
ferve the lives of his fellow men. He therefore
again warned his Majefty's Minitlers of the danger
before it was too late to avert it. If they would not
enquire; if they would not inveftigate • if they
would (hut their eyes againft the truth, he pledg-
ed himfelf the faits would he laid before the public.
He, however, thought it defirable the inveffigation
(hould be private, rather than public. Still, how-
ever, he conceived it a leffer evil that a public en-
quiry fhould take place,uponafubjea already known
to the Fiat Conful, than that it (hould remain in
darknefs. Earl Stanhope was proceeding when
Lord BORE INGD3N rote to Order, and obferved,
the Noble Lord was not at all direaing his argu-
ments to the queftion before the Houfe.
Earl &raw HOP s rote to affore the Noble Lord,
he was fully as well acquainted with the order of
proceedings in that Houle, as the Noble Lord
himfelf. If by any trivial d•-•.:aarture from the quef-
tion immediately before the Houk, he could have
incurred the charge of diforder, he would molt
readily apologize. He did not, however, conceive
himfelf out of order, nor out of time, on an inti•
'nation of fo much importance as that which he
had given to the Houk.
Earl SPENCER role to expects his coincidence
with the opinion of his Noble Friend (Lord Car-
lifle), that the Papers on the Table were amply
fofficient for the difcuffion of Monday; but that
the other Papers moved by the Noble Earl would
be requifite to another difcuffion, upon a more
diltant, though, he trufled, not a very remote day.
The (object of the Negotiation. he laid, refolved
itfelf into two diff -ent points, which ought to
be confidered and dirculfed diainetly : the one,
as with refpea to the cafe of this country in
relation to France ; the other,• as with refpe& to
the cafe of his Majefly's Minifters, and their con-
duit towards this country. In the former point,
which he considered the proper ground for confi•
deration on Monday, the Papers already on the
Table were, in his mind, fully fufficient for the
Houfe to ground its judgment.
Lord Pszicase agreed with the Noble Earl on
thefe points, and Paid, that though he fhould have
(hong objections to the produaioa of many of the
documents moved for by another Noble Earl as
preparatory to the dircufilon on Monday, be fhbuld
have no oblation to produce them on the occafion
of enquiry into the conduit of his hlajelly's Mi-,
nifters. At prefent, the produCtion of them was
in his mind, unnecelfary.
The LORD CHANCELLOR left the woolfack, and
obferved, that he knew not of what fluff that man
could be made, who, after reading the papers on
the table, could doubt that this Country had aloft
mired war againft France. With refpea, how-
ever, to the enquiry fuggefted towards the conduit
of his hlejefiy's Ministers, he had no liefitation in
declaring his confidence, that the more minutely
that condo& was enquired into, the more would
their proceedings be found aCtuated by a jug re-
gard to the honour and dignity of his Majefty's
Crown, the jut rights of his fubjeas, and the per-
mancnt peace and fecurity of the Briti(h Empire.
Lord FITZWILLIAM, for the prefent, agreed to
withdraw his motions.—Adjourned to Monday.