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THURSDAY, JANUARY 0, 1817.

TO THE PROPRIETORS OF EASTANDI.i STOCK:
LADIIIS AND OsL r attars,. . ,
AVACANCY having tAken place en tie COURT
of DIRECTORS, by the resignation of Mr.'lWining, 1
beg most reopeetfully to renew my claims to your attention.
Many months past, it was suggested to me by some Proprie-
tors of East-India Stock, that there was a favourable opening for
a Commercial Man of the City of London who Milli look for-
ward to a Sear in the Direction:
That the Proprietors bad for torn* years met with few appli-
cations from any but Gentlemen from their own Settlements, or
the Officers of their Army and Mariue, and that the interests of
the Trade of London were barely represented.
If these considerations be debervitig of notice at this moment,
I may add, that I am the first, If not the only Candidate, who
has presented himself upon these grounds.
At no period of my life could I promise a greater degree of
per-anal attention to your interests, and, should I be honoured
wi:h your choice, it shall be my study to make an adequate re-
urn for your confidence. -
I have the honour to be, Ladies and Gentlemen,
Your must uhedieat Servant,
GEORGE RATICES.

ctilar question befoie the Court, without ,looking to
the general Merits the Establishment to which it
referred.
. Mr. R. Jamtsom yielded to the idmonition of the
Chairman. He was about to obey it, but when the
question before the Caurtatas disposed of, he should
submit to the's% the expediit icy of naming a proper
day to look into the affairs of the Establishment at
Haleybury—to inquire if it had answered, or was
likely to answer the expectations entertained by the
Court, when their Resolution of 1805 was passed.—
To consider, whether it was desitable to keep up any
establishment for the education of those to be em-
ployed in the Convene' service, and whether, if any
were thobght necessary, it would not be better that it
should be more as a school, with Masters to attend
at stated hours, possessing power to enforce obedience
to the rules and regulations proper to be observed,
than as a College. And, especially, to inquire whe-
ther the whole expense of the establishment - might
not be saved, by requiring parents, without compell-
ing them to send the:r children to any particular
seminary, to bring them to a certain proficiency in
their studies, preparatory to theiedepatture for India,
the same to he certified by learned Professors, to be
named from time to'time.
.1-le should also suggest
the propriety of removing the Military Seminary
from Addiscomb. He wished a day to be named
for the consideration of these topics. On the present
occasion he should do nothing to provoke a debate
on the general mtrits of the question, but when the
proper day arrived, he should endeavour to shew
that an inquiry was necessary. He wished the Pro-
prietors to have the amplest time afforded them to
prepare themselves for the discussion. He should
vote against the proposition'now before the Cottrt.
Mr. LoWNDES complained that he had been repre-
sented to say he was afraid of being booted by the
boys of Haleyburr College. He had not said this,
but he had declared that he was ashamed of being
connected with thej East India Company, from an
apprehension that at would be thought their conduct
in India resembled that of the young men at
Hertford.

49, Catnhill.

A Diatoms spoke to order, alledging that the
Hon. Proprietor was straying from the subject before
the Cools.
Mr. LowNoss said, the interruption given from
behind the bar, looked as if Gentlemen were afraid
of the discussion of this subject. He feared it galled
some of them, and that they were alarmed lest he
should touch upon a tender point. He proceeded to
oppose the motion before the Court, after being call.
ed to ender by the Chairman. and Mr. S. Dixon.
Mr. ELPHINSTONZ called on the last speaker to
make good the charges he had insinuated against the
Gentlemen behind the bar. He wished them fairly
to be brought forward, and this done, they could,
with( tut difficulty, be refuted.
PATTIMI thought, all that the worthy PrO-
priet or
.(Mr. Lowndesj had said, was not worthy of
.the :puce of the Honourable Gentlemen near hits
(I-fr. Elphinstelatly "Ple-wat sorrr'soy ateeilitionisid
been. paid to such a farrago as he (Mr. Lowndes)
had furnished. He sopported the resolution before
the Court, and thought the language lately held on
the subject of the College, likely to cause, ra:her
than to repress, acts of insubcrdination among the
scholars.
Mr. HUMS thought the last speech irregular, and
contended that Mt. Lowndes, who had been so fre-
quently interrupted, was not out of order.
Mr. Lowunts resumed. His honour was concerned
in not stating the things he had heard, but if he were
provoked to do this, he could perhaps prove that he
had had a peep behindsbe curtain as well as others—
(Seara)—He never made any charges which he could
not prove. He thought the Directori a much purer
body of men than they were formerly ; and the only
way to keep them so, was to oppose to them in that
Court some five Or six sturdy Proprietors, who, like
himself, did not eats two-pence for any body. When
they were wrong he would tell them so; when right
he should be happy to give diem bis praise and
support.
Mr. ELPHINSTONZ again challenged the Gentleman
to, bring forward any charges he bad it in his power
to make. This as an honest honourable man he was

bOund to do.
Mr. P. Moon's thought, while the establishment
did exist, it ought to be made as efficient as possible ;
he should therefore vote for the motion, though he
via.' by no means certain that he should skimately
vote for keeping up the College.
Mr. S. Dixoth—Unless what the Students acquired
at College was proved to be necessary to prepare
them for the situations they were to fill in India, he
hoped he should live to see it done away. If they
could not be kept in subordination here, he thought
them unfit to command in India. He recommended'
to the Honourable Gendeman (Mr. Pattison) better
language when speaking of those from whom be
differed, than be had used to-day while adverting to
the speech of one Gentleman (Mr. Lowndes).
Mr. PATTISON would not on any future occasion
abstain Isom saying what he thought necessary to
the peace and well-being of the Proprietary, when
speeches wholly irrelevant to the subject of debate
were made. If he had spoken harshly it was through
the warmth excited by the manner in which the
worthy Gentleman (Mr. Lowndes), for whom he had
a great respect, frequently broke in upon the busi-
ness of the day. He meant no personal disrespect,
aid was ready to apologize if any thing had escaped
him which could be so understood. •_. _ _

Mr.—Lemmas-vindicated his own contact in the
debates of the Court.
The luestion was then Fe* ahfir the Resolution
was camed.
Mr. Jacasinemoved that die Resolution of thi
Court in 1805, to which he bad before alluded, while
speaking of the College, should be read.
The itesolotio% which set forth' the advantages
.atsticipated from the formation of such an i s
I mem. baiting been' 'read, Mr. Jackson gave in the

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Resolution he had previously, described, (which will
be found above) tp be read by the Clerk. When the
subject came to be discussed; to avoid as much•as
possible being charged with a departure from good
sense, he should endeavour to confine himself to a
simple statement of fact*. • .
The CHAIRALAN suggested it Would be best that
Mr. Jackson should call a Court for the dit.cuss;co of
this subject in the usual way, by a Requisition signed
by nine Proprietors.
Mr. S. Dixon concurred in this suggestion.
Mr. STEWART wished the subject to be thrown
open to inquiry. and had no fear fur the result.
Mr. Hollis was glad to bear the last speaker wish
the subject thrown open to the Court, aid would no w.
bring it to the test. As the Proprietors were gene-
rally ignorant of the affairs of the College, he would
now move, that all reports from Ose lege, all
correspondence thereon between the Court of Direc-
tors and the College Council, and all proceedings on
the past of the Direcmrs in consequence of the same;
and also all communications between the Board of
Controul and the Court of Directors on the subject'
bhould be produced. Mr. Hume described the Cot..
lege as having intruded kaell on the notice of Aise
public. He could not believe the cvuntry Gentlemen
were leagued together against this Establishment, as
had been Insinuated. He contended the C•surt had
a right to inquire into every thing connected with is',
though this bad been denied to them, while they were
.called upon to bear the expense of it. He insisted
upon the importance of the papas now called for,
and hod the resolution would be carried.
Mr. LOWNDrs seconded the motion:

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After a few remarks from the Chairman. who ob-
served that if the motion was made, it would lead to
the disclosure of what was particularly confidential,
arid of Other matters that ought not to be made pub.
lie, and consequently could answer no good purpose.
Mr. Hums consented to leave the wording of the
motion to the discretion of the Court.

Mr. Romaine GRANT was of opinion the Honour.
able Gest'ellen had totally misunderstood the nature
of the passage be had quoted, if he conceived the-
author had the sligfitest objection to the fullest en-
quiry. Bet he objected to any partial proceedings,
if the College were to be dragged repeatedly before
that Court. which prevented a complete judgment
from being formed on the subject. For himself he
would, on the part of the College, and in the face
of that Court and every one, challenge the • most
rigid enquiry into the question which has Come
before the public. In fact it could not rest here, bail
must be sifted to the bottom. If, therefore, it wad
the sense of the Propietors that .it should be taken
into complete consideration, he would acquiesce is
the motion, and under this idea, he wished to state
his case: He understood that many general charges
were made against the Institution—charges of suchexcesses, vices, an 3 immeralities in it—offences of
such a peculiar and thateestritdc utters es VS tellies
Stith dimwit* on Op tiewdeesoref-iti seisseses-wsosbe
St sivAluiy Witfi ce.ry parent tot to trust the Visors%
of his son in such a contaminAing society. 1/11
denied that there were any groan is for theie calum•
nies. It had been objected that the esthblishment
was useless and its expenses enornic.us, while the
whole scene was one of such tumult and disorder, as
to render the place totally unfit for the purposes to
which it was devoted.

The CHAIRMAN here interposed to remind the Ho.
nourable Member that he was anticipiting a discus-
sion which must necessarily take place at a future
period.
Mr. R. GRANT replied, that he only wished to state
what he conceived to be the general course of tl:e
debate. But whenever such charges were made, he
would, on the part of the Professors and Students,
give them a fiat and positive denial, unless proofs
were produced of them.
Mr. Ismer, the Director, thought the question was
in such an uucertain and undefined state, that it was
impossible for Gentlemen to understand it. He, ,
,therefore, thought it should be clearly stated what
the Honourable G ntleman's intentions were, or
what propositions he had determined to submit to the
Court. He should tell the date of the excesses to
which he alluded. It should be remembered that
the College had existed for some years, during which
some very serious disturbances had certainly occur-
red. If the proposition referred to evils which bad
already been corrected, it was hardly fair to mike
them the subject of discussion. 'lf, on the other
hand, the College had of late been going on well, it
would be wrong to state the question with no autho-
rity to support it. The Learned Professor had as-
serted, that all that had been lately stated in that
Court, if it referred to recent traits fictions, was
founded on gross misrepresentationsi lr, however,
they should prove to be true, the sooner such abuses
were reformed the better ; but to propose to abolish
the Institution would be like a proposition to abolish
our Empire in India altogether. There was nothing
so important as to have our public servants properly
educated; and the sooner that question was discussed
bete and brought before Parliament the better. But
he wanted facts and dates, to ascertain it the case
was not one which had not been already remedied?
Mr. JACKSON admitted that an inflammation might
have taken place on the part of the students ; but it
was an inflammation against their constitated autho-
rities, to whom they had acted with the greatest
coitumely. Let the Professors, wham he was ready
to admit were most hieritorious, recollect what were
the charges against the Institution. There had been
a public document 'Ai before the Court, in the form
of two Reports, frost the College themselves, which
it was impossible to read without astonishment.—
They contained the extraordinary information, that
it was not in the, power of language to convey the
moglausentableatak; of improvement oldie pupils.
?Itch an admission, after £lOO,OOO had been spent
pa the College, which was also maiotained at an ex.
esense of 5e16,000 a-year, was more extraordinary
han had ever appesit'ed on the annals of any institu-
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