Star.
London, England, 1828-07-16 00:00:00

FLOGGING IN THE ARMY.

Sir F. BURDETT slid, he had heard of a recent.
case 'of eight soldiers being so severely flogged at Was-
'Row, chat one cf_them died of his wounds. He wished
to obtain some information on the subject, ind.to give
-notice that he would next Session bring the subject
flogging in the army Leloie the House_
Mr. Secretary PEEL apprehended that the lion.
toonet contound2d the rumour with another, which
vaafouniito be totally unfounded, of a soldier having
died at Glasgow of a floggiug, when the fact was he
died of typhus fever. •

• SPANISH CLAIMANTS. •
Sit J. MACINTOSH said Chat the Petition which
it'eas then his drity to present had reference to the
claims Ora certain number of British subjects upon
Spain. Among the signatures affixed to the Petition
were chosen,' some of the:niost eminent Merchants in
Laudon. Bul the complaint made in the Petition Was
.of mote importance than the names affixed to it. The •
complaint ',elated town obstinate denial of justice by the'
Giotto minent of Spain to certain of his MajestY's !ath-
letic Who viey aggrieved to the amount of 3.000,0001.,
4.1:415e claim was.tbe largest that had ever been made
.before that Mouse; so fortunately was it the most simple,
die most easy Co beunderstooct. It was founded upon
the:4:4,6o(m' Ifords of. a convention more, the
‘' llecific.Purciite to which the claim had reference. Be-
tore he went turther,he wished to state, that the Petition-
ers made nocomplaint against the British Government.
Mr. Canning; under whose auspices theconventiOn had
bef'n made,. had always distinguished himself by a strict
maintenance of British interests, and a determination
never to allow a British subject to he treated injuriously
by 'a foreign Power. The Noble L'trd who succeeded
tirnacted in the same spirit, and they expected similar
conduct Iron, the Noble Lord now at the head of the
Foreign Department. This Petition did not come from
those who engaged in. Spanish Loans. The preseilt
claim had its origin in the commencement of that
state of hostility in %filch France and Spain
were involved, from the year 1808 down te-a considera-
ble period afterwards; and dining which many Bri-
tish subjects were induced to furnish Spain with a
variety of articles necessary for carrying on a de-
fensive war ; • many others of them being acknowi.
itdged by the Spanish authorities, and some others
certainly having carried on..their transactions by way
of a forced loan. From the period of 1808 down
to 1823, when the Convention was executed, another
oevance had arisen. Spain being engaged in warfare
i;h the Spanish Colonies of South America, during
Which confl,ct several British ships were seized upon by
Spain, in violation of the law of nations. All these
circumstances h'ad taken place between the year 1808,
When the revolt in Spain occurred, and the year 1823.
In the year 1823, Mr. Canning being then Secretary of
State, concluded a Treaty on the 12th of March that
)eir, which provided that all the just claims of the
liritnh upon Spain, on the footing alluded to, should be
drtermined, by a mixed Commission, which was ap-
pointed to decide upon those claims in London—and to
decide, be it remembered, according to the words of the
Leaty "in a summary way." The Commission then
,n'et in London, in the month of October,lB23, and the
"umber of claims preferred amounted to about throe
Landred. Several individuals put their cases int) one
eidim, so that the number of claimants amounted to
1,500, although the number of claims were only 300,
and the whole amount of the sum claimed was be-
tween three and four millions. The Commission sat,
and it was impossible to describe the various 'means
resorted. to, to prevent that ,6 summary '.' fulfilment
°f the TiPian which had been resolved upon.—
Every ingenious artifice that could be conceived was
Made use of to postpone the day of settlement, but it
war useless • for him to detain the House by tracing the

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intricate labyrinths. through which the claimants were was fiamaillpy. strew:sty/ether to,pek into
.Eorto Rico,
10. The result, however, was, that in.eighlin months, I the povernor 9f which insisted.that ;helms bound to thc
out of 300 claims, eighteen only had been heircl::!A Spanish Main, atidAltat therefore her cargo. became
certain 'number iiererejecled, either because they related Confiscated: 'The aie 'svi 's
heard before one of the Tri-
to a period not within the Treaty, or becaUse they were bunals, aced the charges declared to be unfounded.—
hot contemplated by it, arid kilts of the claims only were The Captain-General refused to confirm this decision,
Allowed to be just. He weuld leave the House to cons and sent the case. again before a Tribunal which had
eider the case of a number of unfortunate individuals no jurisdiction.
.TheJtidge it first refused to try,it, but
,who had thus been deprived of their property, and re-
.at length consented, and the vessel and her cargo were
duced to a state of indigence. Out of 300 cases, then, condemned. This was only one of a numerous class of
eighteen only were concluded, and four only of these similavatases. Ho-trusted the Government would take
eighteen admitted to be good. The object of the delay steps for carrying into effect the Convention of 1823.
was soon very apparent. 'He was ashamed to speak in Mr. FERGUSON suppotted the Petition, contending
terms in which he must speak of the conduct of the that on p'inciples of law, of equity.,sand of justice, the
agents of any Government, but more particularly of that Spanish Government was bound to fulfil the undertaking
Which in ancient days bore so high a character, and 'of its agents,
:namely; by paying the sum specified by
which still contained many highly honourable men. the Commissioners. The present, as had been observed
The object of the delay was, however, soon apparent ; by the worthy Alderman, was not the case of individual,
a suggestion was privately made to the claimants, by a who hid become involved
,hy their own private delin.
person high in office, in what was now called the Go • quency; neither did it resemble that of the persons who
vernment of Spain—it was to the effect, that it would had, unfortunately for themselves, lent their money to'
be better to have a private arrangement, and he advised foreign 'States, and the loss of which he feared they
them to agree to receive the sum of 800,0001. in lieu of would have to bear. This was a very different case, and
their demand of three millions. It was also intimated that one too on which he hoped the House of Commons would
this was their only chance of a settlement; in donsequence deem it fitting to give vent to British feelings.
of this, the suffering persons did make a proposition, Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was quite impossible to
which,' in substance, was the plan given to them by the deny the undoubted justice of the claims of the Peti-
Spanish agent. This proposition, however, turned out to tionero—claims recognised and ratified by a solemn
be no advantage to themiand they subsequently met with convention, concluded by the representatives 'of both
as manydifficulties as ever,for the only object of obtaining the British and the Spanish nations. The Right Hon.
the proposition was, that it might be subsequently quoted Gentleman had borne testimony to the exertions of those
as a proof, that no more than' 800,0001. was actually who had of late years attempted to give effect to that
due ; and when the agent, Mr. Cock, subiequently went convention. He knew that Mr. Canning, and after him
over to Madrid, to his utter astonishment he found that Lord Dudley, had given their. utmost attention to those
the Spanish Minister stated that this sum, and no more, claims, and that they did every, thing in their power to
was due to the claimants. The agent was however told, give effect to the convention by which it was agreed
that as the claimants had fixed their claims at 800,0001. that they should be satisfied. His Noble Friend who at
they would only be reduced to 50u,0001. and that this present presided over that (the Foreign) Department,
sum would be paid in liquidation of all demands. The fact had been so much occupied by important affairs since his
was, the Spanish Minister had stated that the proposition entrance into office,that he had not been able to attend to
should be without prejudice, if the negociation were un- that particular subject. He (Mr.P.t nevertheless believed,
successful; but when the agent, Mr.Cock,went to Mathis', that nothing.was more on his Noble Friend's mind than
he found that this was not only not the case, but t'iis sum to render justice to the Petitioners—t Hear). If having
of 800,0001. was considered as the maximum of the claim. said thus much, he (Mr. Peel) should offer any opposi-
The next step,. wAss Postlihie, satill ,more disgraceful. tion to the motion of the Right Honourable Gentleman,
Atter a long negociation, the Agent was told by the he trusted it would not be attributed to any intention
Spanish Ministers at Madrid, that although they saw• to °ppm@ claims, the justness of which he had already
no reason for•increiiing the sum of 500,0001: yet,' as a 'proclaimed. He thought the Right Honourable Gen-'
proof of Castilian generosity, they would agree to its-
.tleman' himself must see that the manifestation of the
crease the sum by 50,0001. and make the total payment opinion of the House of Commons would be sufficient
of 550,0001. Now, had the House ever heard of such for his object. . He thought
.also that to pledge the
pitiful conduct, under the pretest of genersiry ? Aker ••Flouse tcif'folloW 'up' the proceeding conlemplated by
this, the agent, Mr. Cock, was invited ter go to Paris, to the Right Honourable Gentleman's motion was a
negociate with two Commissioners there—one ot whom. proceeding not called for by the case in question ; and
was the Duke de la Villa:Hermosa, the then A thbassa- .he ivalquitesnre that the Right Honourable Gentleman
dor from Spain to France. After a long series ornegocia- must feel that: that was not an. occasion on vitrich to-
Itions those two Commissioners eotered.intO eta agreethent.iitablith such •1; Pricedent as that of the presentation of
in writing with the agent of the claimants, in February, an kiddies:• subjeet. Moreover,. the Right
1827, by which they stipulated to payaaum in Spanish Hon. Gentleman bad only-yesterday given notice of his
money equal to thtee millions sterling. They entered intention to move an Address; for, although the notice
then into a written agreement, and one di them said iu of the Right Hon.' Gentleman's motion had been foe
a letter to Mr. Cock, that he was fully awhorked so to some. days on the paper, yet it wasonly on the morning
do. This Duke de la. Villa Hestnosa was a man of the of the present Jay that the Words referring to an Ad-
.highest rank in his country, and held a very. high office, alms nad.appeared, having been ailded only that night.'
being Ambassador to France. The agent returned to Heialt..Peel)rhad therefore only expected that the con-
London confident of success, and 'a -month 'Airwards tents'of the former notice, to present the Petition, would
was MfOrmed by the two ComtatiesiCoWsrs ,that theArtsfhien allndid to by, the, Right Hon. Gentleman.
Spanish Government coosidered they had exceeded ..flelioPed,.thevefore, that.the House would not be called
their powers, and that the 'Count d'Otalia was going upon to pledge Itself to ulterior proceeding by the rtsci
to London with instructions hoar to act.
,witlkieference non orebVßight Hon: gentleman on a subject respect-
to those claiths the written docuctientotreh,•thiiee `mg Which negOciationa were still pending. He was,
fore, to "he: considered null and void.: Thus • the „enabled to say (wiehing to speak with all th.t caution
matter remained until the Count d'Ofalia arrived which ander every •circonistance it was his desire to
in England, and at one time the Coma d'Ofalia, observe) that a greater probabilityexistettat the present
After melte meinths residenCe here, ratse4 the offer cif,, moment of an amicable and final arrangement and set-
-550,0001. to 700,0001. It was in this manner the. sys- dimetti.of. the matter heiCre the House than at any
teas was carried on, and carried on is way that would former period, and it was only an act of justice to the
disgrace a pedlar, in a way of .abich the meanest shop -Count d'Ofalia to declare, that he was most anxious to
keeper WOuld'be ashamed. Since this he had heard that the affair to a conclysion. The Count d'Ofalia'
the offer had been raised to 900,0001. And after the nn- Isola kill powers' fer,khat purpose, and had made a pro 7
fortanate.claimants had been for 20 years exposed to the. politicos) to him (Mr. Pee.l),•tbe difference between the
utmost indigence, he would not say that tt Would beira- sum mentioned in which, andthat claimed iay the Pe-.
dent in them not to reduce- thr ir demands it.the ,kitiobees, was ncit,so material as to forbid the hope and
'ageuts did.. agree. to .receive this sum, what siouldise'th's :01pectatiriri that die affair would be amicably set
the consequence? Whatbusthat their abatement would' sia.., Refereacchad been-made to the Court ef Spain
be quoted against them. What happened befoie might. tut the subjest, and he (Mr. Peel) hoped that that Cool t
happen again; and the claimants d tblia.thoe. would feel-tha its own bbnour bosind it .to make the•
could.not consent to waive they;s4bts they held tuideicas, reparation oseght liftlielietitiottersao(Cheers). In op-
contract by the law of nations, afler basins been,treated posing the Right Honourable Gentleman's proposition
in a.mannerusean, bisei-and treaehee.o4,. -fortunately for an Address,' be•repeateds his 'request that he might
for them; no am)y tbegenerMititd44,Vivir' not lai.uaderetood to say•that he did not feel the case
claims—no ene.could.oten throw. a. doubt-Nowt:se:Al ofahtintaffiobers to be one of extreme hardship, or
there bad•been any doubts. 'dative to theovnwengoo. *hit he did riot feel that under the Convention of 18'23,
he appealed to the Ok,use, whether all the trafgainitigithiy Wice.uot ,entitled to she compensation they now'
that had sincetalcsn place about thi matter would not prayeitior: (Hue the Right • Honourable Gentleman
amount to sufficient evidence of the villue—whether it reed theclatise in the Convention, which referred to
was not such es misht be fairly adduced agaiesa Ape' ty thewsanner in which the claims ot 'thepititiobets were
in a Court of Law ? The unfortunate claimants never to be liquidated, by the transfer of a certain amount of
declined juris'fiction ; surely then those who did de- Spanish Re t nes.) ilortunstely, continued. the. Right
cline it justified others in considering them as in the Hon. Grint:the character of the Rentes of the. Court of
wrong. Such then had been the conduct of the Spanish Spain on the Stock. Exchange of London did not estab•
Government—adopting every mode .to . cause delay in fish the•fact of exactly what was the amount which
the first instance, then most dishonourably using the pro- the Court of Spain intended to appropriate for the satis-
posit on of the English claimants against them, and then faCtion, of the claims 'of the petitioners. Another propo-
violating a written agreement specifying to grant a
.sition was made foi the . purpose of superseding the
particular sum. The only hope he (Sir' James Mac. Convention, by which the petitioners offered to accept.
intosb) had was, that the House would in the most so- of a smaller sum than.that which they now claimed ; but
lemn manner s•tengthen she hands of his Majesty's es that proposition had not been acted.on by the party
Ministers, so that the King of Spain could not prevent to. whom it had been made, those offering it had not
justice from being administered. 'lnhis Majesty's. sraiied.their right to their full demand.. It was, how-
vernment no blame could be imputed, and he hoped eye!, tsw tke benefit of both . parties, that a gross sum
they would act wisely in not resisting the wish of .should at. once be set aside for the satisfaction of the
Parliament to give some mark of support, in `older to 'cleans -A 7the petitioners. A sum lad been pro-
enable them to gain the fulfilment of the, .friorty. posed brthe .Coortt d'Ofalia, but not amounting to
was the more disposed to press his motion for au that claimed;
.but still, as he had already . said,
Address, because he had been informed and believed the difference was so small as to offer no material im-
that there were certain persons in this country-o Sp- pediment to the arrangement of the matter. Confiding
nish agents—who had dared to assert that • Greer. Bais in the honour and the integrity of the Court of Spain,
lain was not in a condition to enforce, by an appeal he should also repeat that it appeared to him that at no
to arms, the claims for justice of any portion of her former period were the claims ef the petitioners so likely
subjects. He should not oust himselt to make a single to be satiified. He trusted, therefore, that in the de-
observation on those assertions, convinced as he was that clarations t'sus made in that House, the Right Hon.
the feelings of the House must be moreescited by sup- Gentlemauswould feel that his object had been attained,
posing the bare possibility that. such a belief could and that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not there-
exist, than by any arguments he could use—that the fore press his motion.
House would consequently see the necessity for some Sir R. WILSON said, the conduct of Spain in this
vigorous measures to enforce the claims of the peti-
transaction showed the folly of those who were of opia
sinners—sod that his motion for an humble Address to
nion that the Spanish Colonies should be restored to the
his Majesty, With that object, would experience the cor-
Mother Country. The British Government manifested
dial assent of the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman more decision in enforting these claims under the Go-
concluded by moving that the Petition be brought up. vernment of the Cortes, than it had at any- time since.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON :aid the Petitioners. He could see no reason for sucH indulgence to the pro-
many of whom he was in' habits of intimacy with, sent Goverinient of'Spain. They should endeavour to
were persons of the highest honour and credit.— obtain the same justice for their subjects as. the French'
There were some of these claimants reduced from o- Government. He saw nQ reason for the distinction
fence to the greatest indigence. One of them, after made-between the claims of these petitioners and that
having tired out his friends, was forced at length of the persons who advanced money by loan to Spain:.
to seek an asylum in a public hospital. These per- He thought the latter had a jest claim to 'protection.
sons would be reconciled to their losses if they were in- They advanced their money at a time that this country:
curled in consequence of smuggling or wild specu= and the other countries of Europe had Ambassadors at.
lotion, but they lost their property on the High the Cu' urt Of 'Madrid.. In his opinion, they who had
peas, and by confiscations, neither- founded in justice edvaetoid these loads had a right to tall. upon France
ear international law. He would content himself -ro plide them •in the same *relative position in• which'
ring-they „
with mentioning one case. It was that of an. stood before dintslVOß military posiesifon of the
fish ship, bound from St. Thomas to Curacoa. She country.

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.' Mr. HU4KISSON•said, those rase advt's* money
dway of loan to the,,Spanish Government stood yin a
ifferent situation to the'petitioners. These loans were
a matter which must be adjusted between the Spanish
Government and those individuals whe, placei faith in
her. The claims of the petitioners stood upon LAI&
ferent footing, and 'he was most happyto hear frem'his
Bight Hon. Fr iend (Mr. Peel) that they were soon likely
to be finally settled. 'He must deny that the`G was.
ment manifested a 'tronger disposition to enforet.these
claims under the emus than under the present Govern
ment of Spain. The Convention of 1823 havingbeen
once entered into, they had no remedy but resnotp.
strance ; whereas before they might urge the claims by
a threat of reprisals. Never were there any claims
pressed by the British Government' with more pertina-
city than these.
Sir J. MACINTOSH said a few words in reply, and expressed
his intention not to propose an Address upon the subject.
The Petition was read, and ordered to be printed.
Mr. O'NEILL made a motion on the subject of the grievances
and distresses of the Proprietors of Kelp in the. United Kinpliam,
and that they require the immediate consideration of his Majesty's
Government with a view to afford them protection from Foreign
Alkalis.—The motion being seconded, . •
Mr. M ABER L Y hoped the Chancellor of theExchequor would.
before he pee any answer, determine within himself whether the
monopoly in this article should last another year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not think
muck injury would result to the home kelp manufacture from the
competition of foreign alkalis; it was rather affected by the effects
of recent improvements in chemistry. He hoped, under the cir-
cumstances, the Honourable Member would not press his motion.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said, that the reduction. of the
price of barilla irose from the late discovery by a ebemicalprocees
of a cheaper substitute—namely, a preparation of salts. There mos
no danger from the importation of foreign barilla. Under .the
present duty it did not pay more than freight and charges. It was
impossible that the Government should impose a high duty on fo-
reign barilla. The home made kelp bad already a protection of
fifty per cent.
Mr. O'Nen.r. and Mr. Marmots' explained. • .
Mr. TRANT hoped the Government would remote all the
duties on East India produce. •
Mr. COURTE NAy said, that he thought it,. better ,in . the
absence of the Members from the Notch of. England, to ;eke a
middle course, between the total repeal of the duty and atviiamease
of it, namely. to reduce the duty on. East .India kelp to that on the
kelp of other foreign countries, from 11/.65. 6d. to eight pumas.
• Mr. HUME hoped the East India trade would be placed on the
same footing with our other Colonic". . ••..
After a few words from Mr. O'Nen.t. in explanation, the motion
was withdrawn.

eurrows Werra. . • • -
On the motion that the Report on the Customs Actolunte,A,
be read,
Mr. LEICESTER said, as the Government .was plaged,in a
difficulty between its promise to the home maoufacturer".not to
reduce the duty on. East India silk, and the pledge 4ot Parliament
in the Act of 1026, to reduce the duty, the Government oughs to •
follow the least injurious course of •injustice7,-namoly,..broak.its
word to the home manufacturer, and protect him,.agantrit the•tinug-
tier, 'rather than violate. .their :pathamentasyfast
India Silk Trade—a measure which would cause to that, trade
immense loss. *,
On the motion that the clause.beread, -s
Mr. DA WSON brought tip thit Report. upon4se
Mr. P. THOMSON moved the same amendment be bidemoved
the other night upon the Silk clause. -
After a brief conversation across the table, the Ron. Member
consented to withdraw the clause, on the underatanding, than dye
should not, in so doing, be precluded from again bringing itdorward
Upon the third reading, it he considered it expediero. •
Mr. Secretary PEEL took that opportunity of observing that it
.was not extraordinary that bis,liaabt Honourable•Friendi
passed so large a portion of his early We in•lnslia,
posed to give a preference to that. country.upon some dtelaiens.
He complimented tile Vice President of the Board of Trade inses
his disposition to do. every thing to. promote the, general intetetts
of the country, and to satisfy the just and reasonable expeotationa
Of all parties. • • ••!
Mr. HUME fek perfectly convinced of.tbe..good disposition, of
the, vice president of the Boardt of,Trade, but ,thoughtthat.the re-
sult of the present system of intercourse .between India and• this
country must be highly prejudicial. He knew that :bullion was
now remitted .frutp India „its . return.for.goosis 'Moped from this
.country, which could not but be highly..iniutious to the exporerof
India. .
Mr. WA RD aagrretl with the Honourable. Meither,•thartscon-
siderabie remittances in bullion were made from India,. but the
reason was, that since the cessation of the war.,..a.vast quantity of
treasure which had been then locked up, was now brought. into the
nt okst.—The amendment was then withciroavo... . 1 ,
Mr. ilitlG HT ulojecied to the amount of the duty npooleadtand
wished to have five shitlitlgs taken.aff the.table. of duties inwirgs.-
Mr. COll ITENA Mr. 1-11.4SKINION defeaded. Ulf ringside telle
of duties. • The latter Honourable Alenaher observed,boe/eone,
' that he did nut suppose the enforcement of those duties would be
of any use to the English lead mines, as there bad been mines dia-
-1 covered in Malaga, so very .rich, and so cad?, worked. that the
great probability was they would overwheltit all the mines,not Only
of England', but of. the w0r1d.... .. •• . • • ,s •
After some desultory conversation, the anteodroaittaweeeith.
Ldpawa, and the Bill, with its asuendmunts,w-artinderestto-hie.es-
grossati, and to be read a third time to-morrow. .4 • .

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•NATIONA L DEBT BILL: 6' •, ' ...4--,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved t4i4 tie
National Debel3lll- should he read isecond tithe: • ' " •
;11r. HUSKISSON said, he cou:d not allow-titis' am till* y:ad
s
a second time without making a fevi observations. e knew
that circumstances prevented this atihject from beini iltiisitl
earlier in the Seition, and therefore he attribtfted blithe to 'no one.
He fully agreed with his, Right Hon. Friend 'that only (Ant surplus
revenue tbould be considered a• Sinking Fund for the redemption of
a portion of our debt. He lamented,lowever, that they bad not a
larger Sinking Fund than three millions; but under all the circum-
stances he did not think that-that surplus should be reduced., He
also concurred with his Bien Hon. Friend in the statement that
much of our-internal improvement arose from the greater free-
dom which had been given to our commerce witbid the last few
years, and to'tbe general improvement which had coliseqoently
taken place amongst all classes of the people. But with respect to
the present state of our Unfunded Debt, be thought it was a subject
which required she greatest attention from his Majesty's•Goierh-
nient. If it were continued in hs present state—if measures were
not taken to diminish it, aid to take it out oftbe hands of the Ranh
of England, he could not help- saying that
Bank he sa
hawindictocnotnsracidteedrable
for
prospective danger. •In the year 23 the
what was known by the name of the Dead Weight; but, at the
time of the contract, it was fully. understood that the purchase was
to be distributed Amongst others. So then thought his Majesty's
Government, and so, he believed, did many of the Bank Direc-
tors. The Bank was not to have the sole benefit of the con-
tract, nor to divest so much. of what should be applied to
mercantile discounts to the use to which • they had since applied it.
If a dittribution were not intended, then 'the Bank might as well
have advanced capital on lands or houses for the number of years
until the contract should have ceased. • But this was not the only
evil. The Bank didnot act in this-case for the whole body of the
Proprietors of their Stock; the advance-they. made was that of the
credit of the Bank, over which neither the GoVernitent nor4he
country had any proper and necessary controul. This' was *stare
of things which should not be allowed to continue—and in a word;
the'soouer the contract could be regulated, if not altogether got rid
of, the better would it be for the Government.and the-count.wpaa
He had every respect for the IBrectors of the Bank of England;
but he had still greater respect for the interests of the public..-.
The Bask on this dead iveight account had advanced eleven mil-
Ilions—on Exchequer Bills also a large amount—on mercantile Mile
very little ;. and -under such, circumstances it Would -be desirshk
that the Bank should not be iu a situation to dhtross,the- tradssor
the country, or under the necessity of our again reverting to a. Both
Restriction Act. He did not believe that any inctirnbranco sreinist
c shouldthwhua
icn: i
hi rsaotbblia ant n"bc !es
some
m diminishedt hei
as
peh condition
e9irs ;00
we o
result from calling in the 11. Dotes; but the Bank at-this moment
unemployed capital, which ha4l ingnlismik
eßaamptikunct9uolfd onarotit ribfueuieel:e—
as we possijaly conlduitt-
sizin talheinshionspes of unemployed
deposits. Underany usfavratijibfel:
s*
f..asinhniuch
order to .enable us to meet any future coutingenciei.
restriction of Lash payments in 1797 had nausisti nivoi;iti,iiiti
and political evil, from which we had now lo happily Nev. re.
sieved—and kis.main object now in offering these remarks -to die
House was to prevent the possibility of so dreadful a calamity. It
mutt be clear to every one who regarded the course of ty:tints, Rat
in time of peace we should so regulate our finances artirte Aar§
meet any danger with which we !bight be threatened: . To lirodief',
this desirable, this necessary results the Government orbits cotthrt.f
should place itself as muchaieepoialtdelhove the controul of any
body,,howeverietmt,l.l4. :Day shoultkreeloce the unfOnsied debt,
' which was only advanta eons to the, Bank, although it Alight bus
said to afford oe neetstilliodaaciaisio X. fie:oarsmen% of Se •
cowry, el Trapfettat erre tOe gigaragliotially I.ht. 'Or less atom,
resorted to the better for theni antrTor the true interests of the
country. The Bank of France discounted to the amount of four

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R.iliinna. which was noe half their capital. when the Batik .of
with its lemon* capital. did pot discount so much. The
Bauk should not advance so much no public securittev; they should
deal as Webers. They should be more liberal in ntereantile
discounts, And, in fine, be should be glad to see the Government and
the Beekmote an useful arrangement as to their public securities
TNa Ng* We/ rids and opulent beyond most other bodies-t-he
bad 'not the slightest apprehension of their not being able fully to
meet pd demands against theni ; but he was, at the same time, fully
satisfied, that theirleapital should not be applied to advances fin
boars or on Liede, or on such a contract as that of the dead
weight. It they continue in this system, it might happen that they
would narrow commercial discounts, which would be attended with
inc:ilgulable evil, and lead to similar results which the country had
so decently witnessed. They should,- as he hadiust stated. confine
themselves more to the trade of bankers, and if. being relieved from
making public advances, they tumid nut find sufficient employment
for their latgc casital, why then, he would say, let +bent do as they
ought and reduce die rate of discount. The consideration of this
im-
pon ant subject should not be too long delayed ; he knew it could not
be imetediately entered how, but looking in what way be might
at the present *mown of our unfunded deist, and the consequences
which must inevitably result from Ito continuance, hr thought it a
sullject worthy of the earliest and the most mature consideration.
It was thalt portion of our Snare% which should be regarded with
pocadiar care, now that it could hr aitely considered; and it was
with those impressions strongly weighing MI his mind that he ea.
tured to address thew observatiiii.. to the linuse. Ile admitted
that he bad no praCtical plan io submit to their notice. whatever his
own individual opinions might be; hut he treated tho his Majesty's
Government would agree with him, in cautiously, yet firmly. taking
upilubjeet. than which nothing in hi. view could he of greater im-
portance to the country. I le felt that the present was rather an incon-
?enfant time to enter on such.% topic ; hut as peculiar circumstances
prevented the.possibility'of making the financial statement of our
releaser, tot the pettier his Right lion. Friend (the l'hance:lor of
the Rithequer) he had not had an oppor 'entity of stating his opinions
to the -Howe. That statement was plain and perspicuous in its
. dttallt it was hithly satisfactory hi many perts of it; but again be
wisihetr to press upon' the consideration of hie Right H,in. Friend
showery great nectioht of examining a subject of so delicate and'
ImpArtant a nature. lie was sorry to have detained the Howe to
long / but be hatileing•lelt ao anxiously and earnestly on this subject,
that even at this late period of theStasion, he could not allow this
opportuni-y to pass of stating his opinions.
'Air. MA WiltILY said, that he felt great respect for many of
the Members of the Rink of England, but he felt satisfied that
•• their dealings with the Government woiajd prove injurious to the
public.. He concurred in the necessity of revising and regulating
the Unfunded Debt, and thought the noose and the country were
much indebted to the !tight Hon. Gentleman for the observations
which be had just made. He hoped that a large portion of the
Untended Debt would be taken out of the hands of the Bank, and
that the surplus remaining should be applied to its reduction. The
Bank of England b had a monopoly for a number of years, and
tor that they bad paid nothing to the country. Now he contended
that when they had such immense advantages, they should cuntri
butt some fair proportion to the services cat the State. 'lke Right
lion. Member tor Liverpool had recommended to the Committee
that any-fursber redemption of debt should be spade in the three
and half per cats. instead of three; and be hoped that popmitipn
would be vein sifted by the Government, as it would effect *great
swing to the public. Me differed front the Right Hon. GentTeman
when be advocated the maintenance of a Sinking Fund of five Mil-
bons. even if that surplus tzistei. He contended slat inch a tau
plus would be best applied to the redoction of taxes.
The. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be agreed
with so much of what had talks from his Right Hon. Friend, there
bring indeed only shades of difference between them. that it wa.
sunecenary for Mane offer any remade open it. Wish regard so,
the prorogation of the Ness. Member who spoke last respecting the
Batik, he thought the transactions of that establishment were best
left in the bands olio, Directing, who might be supposed to be most
coeivervant with its interests. If the Helm Member had under-
stood him, either in the Finance Committee or elsewhere, to es.
press an opinioti• that all surplus revenue *bald be applied to the
reduction td• unfunded debt, he could assure hint that be bad been
mistaken. lie thought it would have been highly improper in him;
as al Mislay', to pledge himself to the particular application of a
tante fund, under whatever CifelliestaeCce might ariao•(Hear)
All be asked was, that the House would give its confidence to the
Goverment. and that it would be left free anal unrestricted under
he respateihility to d'arliatnetit for its conduct bereafter—(Cheers).
With supra to the proposition for purchasing stuck for redemp.
ties in the threvatid bait per tents. he knew th at bonne saving would
beeffeeted by it, but the option was kit with the Commissioners,
and there Isere other advantages in tbe course which they had taken.
R objected to the Bill and its provisions generally, and
said he wished to see the Sinking Fund and the Commissiuners
abolished altogether.
After snow short explanations from Mr. the CYAN.
onto' of the. Viagra:tee, Me. HMS. and Mr. Mumma. the
AU was read a ercood time, and to be committed on Ttiuraelay.
The Haase resolved itself into a Committee 'on the Butter Trade
of Ireland.
Sir. C. GRANT said the Bill was so much altered from that
which he bad intended to bring in. tht he should greatly prefer
seeing the measure postpaid to neat Session.
Mr. bl A UltiCE Fl TZG ERA I.D thought the evils of the exist-
log butter laws in Ireland wet' in great that some improvement,
was olisolutely necessary. He nosed • tiara to repeal the. Acts of
the trOtit. 511 d, and Sid of George the Third.—Ths House divided—
Ayes. . . 24
• Noce . 17
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Pilaitieity toe the elm.* .

.The elve' thins were agreed so.
The Mess reeented. The Report was ordered to be taken into
conaderatien to-nsurrow.
The Naval mil military Pensions Bill was read a third time sad
passed.
'he Welland Canal Bill was read a second timer sad ordered to
bC Ca umitted to-ntertow.
The Itachequer Bills DiU was read a attend time, ant{ ordered
tope easunkted to.morroOr.
The drier Orders of the Day were disposed of wand the House
adjourned ss Twetva o'CLece.

Tim; $'L A,

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WEDNESDAY. JULY 16. IKB

PTOCK TWRIXIC IMAM IC
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The Comet market appears remarkably lively. sod Consols
opened thls smutting at nal, immediately went up to U for the
Account, and may now be quoted at *nth alternately buyers and
sellers. The recommendation in the UOl2ll. of Commons last night,
for the Bank to dispow of the Line Annuities, and discount at
three per cent. has had some effect on the market. At present
there is upwards of adz minims of the Public money lucked up in
the flank unemployed.
The Dutch Fuuds, by the Nail, are to &pets att. lower.
In the Foreign market nothing is doing. and the prices are
op:anal.
IHIALIPPAST QNE O'CLOCK.
Up to thiritissr we have so information of the least importance.
Consols et this time idly be tumid. at SS§ foe the Amount. The
Commissioners purchased at $54.

• CITY, HALF—PAST TWO O'CLOCK.
We kora from geed autbarity, that Des Montt is going to pro,
slew ausaniesty. and grant's free pardon to tbsConstitutionaltato ;
balms ilia peoaderd to wed the daughtrr of Una Naas, his raker.
ie Woos Losser the •Fiatesson abdicated the Crowned Portugal.
If ebb tweet takes place, • ties snighty revotution is fidisbed. and
Iles Abeam will ramie Kiag at Portugal.—Cousob art at 119j1.
• !KICK OF STOCILSI AT TWO o:CLotils.
Ike* *so SO 10g 114 India Bun& 104 5
3isseent.lited. srj S Old Annuities
Spar CLCeivii 4171 ges dl,. New unto .
116 par' C 01.954 4 41000 liacheq. Bills 70 S
litter Cee. NIL 954 4 £5OO Ditto :0 2
4 fit Ct. 94444101 e len div. AlOO -and &Mu Uitte 70 II
*pet Coat. ISM, 'l94}. Advertiser!
tang Awn. 191 1341 Saab fur Acct.
ladla leech C.austols for Acet.B6l 4 4
FORIMIN FUNDS, TWO tYCLort K.
Yessillats NU S p 0.61 14 g Mex. i1d5,1825,45p Ct.
Dislicet Sig Do. Act. 414 1
Anew. Ares Bag. ap C. portag„ liti..spc.33l 4 31 41 1
Da. dart. 44 Do Acet.s3l 41 g
Itionialo-141.. a loco 62 Press. Bonds, 1e Sp Ct.ioo
190944% 914 1 4 Russ. Ilds.latt i per CL 944 4
Shatilds. S p Ct. Sag Spanish Bob Sp Ct. 11 104
Bit !TIM AND FOILIIIGH 1111 A HES, TWO O'CLOCK.

grate. 1410. -
Prullisit MI 90 701
Girsensi 1164 is Ana so I 136 14
Miami withkeed Fordoe .100 10 9i
Protector Fite • . 10 9 Al 41
2:FrO •
The NU for legalising the Sale of Gains. sod amend-
ins ;lie qtalificetioss to shortorsa %et last night is the
House of Louie by a nialdriti OM. The sends was

ni t anticipa•e I. a 1311 to the same effect having passed
the House of Peers, rreviously to its being entertaihed
by the Commons, who, from penalties ng bean in•
Aide', wets tibliged to introduce a Dew B
The Woollen Trade will receive with moth Amish% -
Lion the decision of the Duke of Waft.moion not to
impose tiny Anther du. yon Foreign Wools-The opinion
Which his Grace had formed previous to the appoint•'
ment of• the Committee has been confirmed by the
evidence adduced. The causes of the tall in tkprice of
British wool 'are to he atti stinted to mote circumstances
than one. The increased number of sheep waisted has
naturally the effect of deterioiating their fleeces.; and
as loamp has, increased, people have become siiisatis-
fied with the quality of the article they formerly wore,
and have sought a finer material. The trade may now
feel secure against any additional tax in this respect.
The Super;ii•nit;ition.Bill was most discreetly w ith-
lrawn• by. the CHANCELLOR d the ExcitEnern, who
war not by any means the instigator or approver tat the
'measure. The seiike if the House was so decidedly
against it, that the Officers concerned miry feel con-
fident that the attempt to make these deductions will
not be renewed.

The French Papers at Monday mer tine that the
Russian corps und, r (irn. Rom have invested•Silistiia,
that the surrender of Gsurgevo was daily expected, and
ihai the Russian reserve was advancing to the Danube'
lithe nett siege ihoisid be as destructive as that of
'l3railow. :the' progresi of the Emptior Ntattstall two
Constantinople may be considerably retarded.
Turkish Manifesto Manifesto proves that the Turks are diviaskine4
to defend their lot tresses to the utmost extremity.

HEAVY RAINS-AND THUNDER STORMS.
laoll THE TYNE MERCURY.

NEWCAsTLE, Jinx 14.

Saturday and Sunday last we experienced in this
neighbourhood such a continuance of wet weather as
we have not known for a considerable time past. The
rain fell almost without intermission. The river Tyne
was iu consequence very much flooded. Pikes of hay
were to be seen sailing in the fields, and a considerable
quantity. we believe, has been carried away by the cur.
rent.. The dead body of a horse was seen floating down
the river. Even yesterday the flood was so great, that
wine individuals who lived at short distances from the
Tyne, were obliged to procure cmts and"bones before
they could cone in to Newcastle.
Saturday morning Sunderland was visited by a thunder storm..
The lightning was remarkably vivid, the peals of thunder were*
tremendous, and the rain fell is torrents. At Sunderland the
Wear was also much swollen.' A ship was drifts from Hatton
Smith to the low part of the harbour, and some keels were drivesi
from their moorings out to sea. Great quantities of bay also came
down the river.
FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT AT DURHAM,
DAVID, 81:111141r, Jaw IS.
Since early on Saturday morning Durham and the neighbour-
hood have been visited with a.succession of beery rains, insomuch
that the river Wear is swollen to a dreadful height, and has done,
andis still doing. frightful damage to the adjacent fields, which are
overflown to the extent of many hundreds of acres, many of which
are meadow, some just mown. some ht pike, and some standing
uncut. Several tons of bay have already been carried away by the
violence of the Good, some even is masses of half a too mech. The
lea in this way that individuals are experiencing is truly distressing.
A great part of the fuse plain near the village of Shincliffe is ch-
eered with water by the tremendous overflowing of the Wean.—
'lke road to that village, at the new bridge there, is -rendered •hn-
passable. mis also the road: at Sunderland 'ledge. three miles south
of this city. To such an amazing height is the river swollen, that
the principal arches of Stanch& bridge were, at flee o'clock, within
a few inch.. of being filled to the top, so that apprehensions are en-
tertained of its 'withstanding the violence of the current, especially
as there has neverteen mch a water since its erection. The damage
which will be done to the corn, potato, turnip, and indeed all other
sorts of fields between OidEhirham and Croidalt, must be extensive.
Mr. khdy resolved to cross the.,Vale in his boat and .ail Into the
current of the river and thence to the Prebends' Bridge, which
may be seen from Framwellgate Bridge a. you come irons or go to
Nttercastk ; and being joined by Iwo courageous and enterprising
young Llentlemen, they sailed through the fle;ds of the race course
amidst the wonders. fears. and admiration. of some eritwdo of
spectators. Some valuable ir,,rilens ate overflown, and the waters
are nuking rapid strides up the different lanes and yards in Elves.,
Many 44 workshops, Cala*, and rooms are ii.undated.

The Duke of Camantoos lett town yesterday morne
in& on a visa to the KUM. a the Royal Lodge b -Windsor Path. -
• the Duke ti tiLovcarrett, mammies! by C tione!
ILocsits, left his residence, Gloucester-house. Park.latie, about half-
pa./ ten o'clock ye-terday mowing, for Chekenh.nt, where his
.yal 11 Tithes*. it is ezpr tted, will remain about a month. A re•
adence has keen taken ti,r the Rapti Duke in the Crescent. •
LICOPut.O hontilied the Litt 01 MA IiSFISLI/1
with his emnpany to dime ron Monday, at Cart( Woad. A select
Patty .wtors "meat to meet his Royal. /I•,;htsess. There was alter-
w lade attaaawsatserenangpatty.
to LOAM CHAAtirt.Lqa And L.dv HST gave
• grand dhtner to the Duke aid Duchess td Gusvcrerza on Mon-
.'ay, at their re••id or. In George-street, Hammer saure. The
Duke of Gamma. she Doke or Duaser, the Marchtout.s of Elmer.
man. and Loa and Lady KLLIONOIWUGII. were among the cunt-
preset t w meet :1 sir Rola! I lighnesses.
lite Mike of rt.LI hit.rox has .trees d the invita-
tion of Lady V.ltinear to take up his abode at Renate Howe,
Winchester, during the approaching Rates for that city, of which
his Grate is the Steward.

The Earl of Asehnech entertain .1.1 the D ke of
GLeucasess and a nutneresis party to dinner yesterday, as his ftei.
denve in Argyle-street.
A Cabinet Cotintil was held at three o'clock ye-ter-
day afteirtoon, it the Foreign Othee, Dossning-btreet, Which WaS
attended by the Dote tat WiLLINGIIIIII, Earl' DATUOINT and AIM.
DllO. VitwOUnt it•ILLE, Lord Rt.Lawattailvott. Mr. Secretary
Piet, Sir Costae, Multiuse. the Ctisiu.too of the Itstestronais,
Mr. Maims, sod Mr. Vases, Fisacaaptat.n. The Ministets re.
stained in deliberatko till balf•pot four o'clock.
Sit FRILDERICIC LA its 'rad x hrag conference !rioter-
day with the Duke of WELLINGTON, and also with the gal of

lit rood is the Marquis of A NGLEiralf of sailing and
ataewuvring mall craft, that it is stated be has offered a wager to
a large amount that be will himself aad his yacht, the Pearl, trom
Kinialowu Harbour' ioend the tight-ship and back, and without
the assistance of any of his warren.
Ili. Majesty's ship Herald, wish L..rd AWN ensv and
sults on board, sailed from the Cape 18th May. and reached St.
Helena ea the 31st of May. His Xlajesty's ship Undaunted, with
Lord Mum* Umamsoca, put hit. 811114011.8 Bay on the 12th of
Kay, sad sailed from thence for Bengit nu the 16th ; "consequerly
Lord Witimx had au opportunity of eumniunicating with his
predecessor in the Government of India. His Aiiirsty's .hip Owen
Glendower. which sailed front St. Helots tea the. 2d of Jose, spoke
she Herald cm the flat. Oe that bus ppa/may be hourly expected.
HAMMVII6II, JULY. B,—aaTlia St. Peterabu gh Paper
contain an Ukase, dated tne 22.4 of May (June 4.), by
which all noise's arriving in the Itiswatt punts ..t the
Baltic from,tbe European port. of Denin 411, Sweden,
Norway, the H.nS Towt4.. Great Distill' (exceptins I
Gibraltar and .Malta), and the northern and we tern.
coasts of France, me to be exempted'fioni tse regula-
tion hitherto in force, aceot ding to which they were,
required. upoupassing the Sound, to take out quaran-1
tine passports. Vessels coming frum the abuse rat-H-
-ai ;led ports are, to be considered as coming from coon-,
ti pignscularly beakby but vessels coming feign all,
countries ant denominated by the Pinishquarantine are,
to be neer from'tbc qnatantine laws in the Russian
sorts of Olt Baltic.-11enshargh Ifepoiler: •

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