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grounds, but it also contained Mine points relative to a subject
now before their Lordships, and one of great pqklie importance.
It made net a case from the particular circumßanices alfectiog
that sub~'e which dearly proved, that when a Govermisent.
deviateai from sound prindpke of law and constitution, unfor-
tunate cesteciesioes mast laughably follow. It was the object
of the Pod*" due if the revival of the Bill could not be pre-
at lease ilia provisions den be Inserted in It, as would
have Mite OIN01.1111( prom called on as 'witnesses
la tie inesseings te mike he aided, from Its eperadon. The
Peckham, dimight k entinstry tint snob provisions shoidd, be
insert#,!•rey -211 millseslion of the powers of the BM
to the jD. part die jefienedings Instituted by Midwest
asthma an Illestrious Peden, as allgin be incondseent with the
dispenathie Of died Ned substaetbi justice. For if the Bill
was to pass in its present state, Midesers would have the abse-
il., power of sending or keeping out of the" country every fo-
reigner who was able or disposed, or who might be suspected of
titan able or asps ad to give evidence in favour of the accused,
while they could at the other hand give secure access and quiet
residence to every' foreigner willing to support the charges In
the accusation. The objection taken by the Petitioners, he con-
ceived to be Palleasient with the impartial and substantial
character of the Law ; and if it could not prevent the
pasdng of the Act, it ought to have suiLient weight to induce
their Lordships to introduce the exemption called for in reaped
tothe persons taecernettin that great cause.—On the motion of
the Noble Lord, the Petition was then read and laid on the
table. • It was from certain inhabitants and hnuseholders of
Westminster.
PhiTrION FROM THE QUEEN.
; 'Lord DACRE rose to present a Petition from her
'Majesty the Queen, against the allegations contained
'lithe Report then lying on their Lordships' table.
lii:AtLesented, said his Lordship, that her Mauesty was
to enter latO her ...defence immedis*y. assfar
is= was able to understand the charges made
againsi her ; and that she had also weighty martens
to state to their Lordships touching the substance of
.the Report, which might materially affect the con-
duct of her future defence. The Petition also :Nook
that she was desirous to be heard by her Counsel, is
to the statements which she had to make on that day
at the Bar of their Lordships House. The Noble
Lord professed himself to be totally ignorant of whet
the nature of those statements was, but as the Queen
distinctly declared that they necessarily bore upon
the conduct of her future defence, he thought their
Lordships would hesitate before they resisted her
Majesty's application. It was probable, also, that
the suggestions which were to be offered by Counsel,
might acilitate the progress of this important pro-
.ceeding, and accelerate its final decision. He then
moved, that the Petition be read, and it was lc-
cerdingly read by the Clerk as follows :
• " THE PETITION
C %SOU= AMELIA, *WM COMM! MP rilittAills sn egret

eriatnaL a» einaseaaLles Miele:Ma MemSum
The Queen, observing the lowa extraordinary mane that

has bees adopted by the Noble Lank is the Secret Committee
assembled, .frep to state to the Home, that she is perfectly
ready at this meow* to ester upon her defence on the charges-
avian her, as far as she eat asderstaod shwa ; and she begs to
readod year Lordships, that in it will be absolutely necessary
for her to have certain witnesses for her future defence, she
begs to hate the imam el the charges waist her distinctly
stated la the present stage of the pressedlogs ; wed -die further
prays, that as it is important to her imereste so make some
statement as the present occasion, she may be hoard by her

Orbited et lie evening."
Lard DACRE then moved that her Majesty be now
heard by her Counsel.
The Earl of 'LIVERPOOL-44 My Lords I mist,
say that her Majesty the Queen has been ill.advised
in presenting this Petition, *though I. by no means
mean to object to its being received. It appears to
me, however, that there is, in point of fact, no pro.
ceeding at the present moment before the House to
which this Petition can properly apply, as in a Par-
liimentary sense, her Majesty cannot be suppoied to
know anything of the Report of the. Secret. Cot&
mittee, whilst the Rill of which I bad the honour of
giving notice, is net yet presented. When that Rill
is on your Lordshipe-Table, a Copy of it will` be,
furnished to her Majesty, and her Majesty's emit-
nience will be of comae conolted, at to time, with
regard to whatever evidence she stay :Wit it se-.
cessary to adduce to rebut the chargesitilitist her.
At the present moment, it does not appear to me
that there to, in point of fact, any-stage of the proceed-
ings to which the Petition of her lifajesty can apply."
Lord DACRE again rose.—He must observe to,
their Lordships, as he hid done before, that he
had no knoivledge of the matter which the Queen
meant to urge--that he was totally ignorant of all thq
circunistances, and if he spoke of them at all, could
only speak hypothetiCally. He believed the-Noble
Load (Uferpool) had argued with 'technical correct.'
ness, when he said thither Majesty half iitisregular
Mode of leartilts What had yet taken platereflithiel
to her it Chat Haut Rat he was "state, thitt Visite
the 'hlrh 'Widow—tit the Person -ttscik con.
c .I'll 4 lir tbdelifiQattliffs was eallddfitsr:
not too much to expect that that courtesy would be
extended to-her which her rank, am' the peculiar cir-

.. • -
cumstaneet in Which the was placed, demanded of
their Lorcishipt. tin this ides*. it might lie allowed
that she was regithirlv informed, net only of the past
proceedings of the House; but of those tvhich wore
intended against her: It appeared by the Petition
that if was importini to her interests that the state;
tents should be made then at the Bar.. He v%ould
not anticipate what they might appear to be upon in-
vestigation, but he would put the case hypothetically;
and suppose that she had some pounds to thew their
Lordships why they should not proceed by fins—.
The Noble Earl (LiverpOo's) had ,aid, that the regn;
lar way would be to hear the Bill firstbut, perhopsi
that was the very thing which the Queen wished by
her statements to avert-,these might possibly be of
such a nature, as to induce their Lordships to,adopt
a diffeient mode—prohably.a judicial, instead'of a le-
gislative proceeding, The Noble Lord kik!, that he felt
it becoming and incumbent upon him to offer these-
observations upon dais most important subject, which
at-present occupied the public mind from one end of
the country to the other; and he thought, that on no
view of the case, ought the House to preient her Ma-
jesty from making such statements, as might serve
to counteract the bad effect. of allegations; injuribus
to her character, and affecting her honour--perhapt
.even her life!
Lord ELLENBOROUGII---" My Lords, I cans
not allow that the argument of the Noble Lord, as
to the high :ration of the Petitioner; is entitled to the
least weight. It is our duty to do equal and impar- •
tial justice; and I contend -that her Majesty the
Queen, as a Petitioner to this House, is entitled to
no other consideration than the lowest of his Ma-
jesty's subjects. It is, I conceive, clear, that a subs
ject petitioning this House with a similar claim td
that contained in this Petition, would not, according
to the forms and usages of the House, be. alloWed to
beheard ; and it is upon this ground, and this pound
alone, I contend that the prayer of the Pentlbn of
her Majesty ought not to be complied'with."
The Earl GREY—" I feel, my Lords, in rising
upon this subject, how much it is involved in -W
rutty and embarrassment, whilst I am satisfied -at
the same time, that that difficulty and emhartass
went is one f the consequences of the. course of
proceeding, which has, I contend, been rashly and
improperly adopted by. his Majesty's Mitlistets,:.—
Agreeing with the Noble Lord, who has just spokes%
t:-.at it is our ditty to,do equal and.impartial justice;
I must, nevertheless, be allowed to say, that there
are circumstances peculiar to this case, unprecedented
as.it ii, at least in modern times, which remove it
from the influence of all ordinary rules. - It has been
admitted by the Noble Lords on the other side, as
iodeed it. must be,-that 4theise-is nomcodept or Land.
mark to guide us in this exraordinaa Arid laments
able proceeding, acid therefor it is the more remark:
able, that they should .now set op technical objectdons. As to the objection of the Noble Earn -that
her Majesty can have, in.a Pazliamentary iense, tie
knowledge of the Report of the Secret Comanitteel
it appears to me estraordipary, that such iso objec:
tion should be urged when it may be. so easily arna-i
pined that an individual in that high station need hot
long be ignorant of what is passing in this. Hattie
with regard to .herself,' and when, not many days
since, st was never thought of urging thipP§ectifita
against bearing her Majesty by her Coot in in corns
- fiance with the prayer of her Petition. I certainly
It upon' that occasion, that there were Objections
:to that course of proceeding, but none were modes
•by the Noble Lords on the other side, and the House
agreed, withotit opposition, to hear her Majesty's
Counsel. That having been done, I. cannot see 110)u
;we can consistentlt refuse to comply; with the prayer
of the present Petition of her 'Majesty, particularly
as the case is now so much the stronger. 'Upon the
former Petition it might havo..been .orged that the
question merely was as, to aft mode of. proceeding
in the Housi,bufnev there is a specific, charge; and_
that of the gravest nature, against the Quota:l/4;44%
ally laid upon the table, supported by all theweiglig
and authority of a Secret. Committee 9( your Loll
ships' House. Under these circumstances, and; alg
tto precedent to guide us, I cannot think ib
light to refuse the ewer. of the Queen's
.e to
, Tie Are at presen‘ignorant of the nature*. the OA
WFlch the *hieEarl on the other side intenfiktola
wlduie, but, assuming it to be a Bill of; piy9rees
In is see how the case stanch.. In all Ore " easel
csiihji clescrilgOon .dier! aPf tr!fic'us: i'MC. • 1,
dileclesiastical Courts, ingbia the Court; be 'se
iti the -coin! cif wiiiek O.* ..kiity iicf...140 1,4 o.';
:gliscp
nrians of bnn,g. mg figitstcd witneue%,* '.
:case none of these pre- liitinfry.prom,, &Mir are to
take 'place; the party accused is,Aarged
,o 4 ?wit
with adultery by the Reptortati §w:retirtilitiige,
4nd-after a part .of-our own bodt.4iiitlibe km-
ludgeit the case, we are to kir:4o44 hi. e61,114,,irge.
joichcatioo. -.ln' a case so' lend* lakreccOnted,_ lt
aloes not appear to ate that; aftiir 4eatiog Cowl* in
die' former instance; we can consistently estdse to
Counsel alto 'in the present, accourstightto the
' yer of her Majesty's Petition." •
The , LORD 'CHANCELLOR ob 'jetted thit it was
a subject on which hi 'did not 'like to trouble their
Lordships at any length.' 'lle ha .be4rd a great
deal said against Sectet.COn Mittees. liewoialct not
say one word upon that iiiiiiot further than to state,
that Wit Was necessary tor through the whale ache
proceeclipgs again, he would think it ri3ht that the

very sathe measures should be regaled to 4.s had been
already adopted: At 'for the proposition now sub-
mitted to the house; he considered it nothing short
of calling on their Lordhltips to surrender their privi-
leges. No one cuuld know what pissed thieei•hurria
a constitutional ways and he wishea to ne inflamed
if there was any cute, niche whole historr al./Nude.
Inenttitrwhich Courisel had been hearttrairsn'a bill
amt proposed? . There was no SUcitt,diti and -their •
__caps ought not to do an act that wOuldrunount
to t‘t-ttn.resiier of their priyileges. sinittiorted- bytes-
tom-and. immemorial usage. As to prejudgment of
the cube, the proceedings of the House did aot do

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that. He would, as a PeeT, he ashamed of himself,
it he did not do what the meanest Juryman in th
country could do, discharge from his mind a erevioui
impression—it happened every dry. He would put
a c:lse. Suppose a man, charged with a crime, made
a full conte.sion, and was afterwards received as a
witness for the Crown, but did not give that full and
f:-ana evidence which was the condition on which he
was admitted, and was afterwards put on his trial,
bat would not then confess his guilt ; in that case the
Jury would know how to discharge from their minds
all precious impressions, and the man could not be
found guilty unless there was sufficient evidence of--
In ed on the trial to prove his former confession. The
House would not be consulting the great functions
which it had to perform, if it heard Counsel to pre-
vent the introduction of a Bill of which nothing yet
was known. It was one of the most extraordinary
propositions he had ever heard, and could not be ac-
quiesced in, Wale House consulted its duties and its
Fivileges. •
The Marquis of LANSDOWN—" My Lords, the
difficulty and embarrassment which I previously felt
with regard to this question, have been materially in-
creased by the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord,
because, after your Lordships agreed to hear Coun-
sel on behalf of her Majesty in the former instance,
when, in 'point M fact, what was petitioned against
was merely a proceeding within the House itself, and
did not amount to a charge agai:ist the Queen; I
cannot see upon what pAticiple it is that your Lord-
ships can now refuse to'hearher Majesty's Counsel
when a heavy and serious charge is, actually laid
upon the table against her MajeStO There may
be doubts as to the course of proceeding fit to be
adopted, but when your Lordships hive already
adopted the course of hearing Counsel in a stage of
the proceeding where the motives for it were by no
means so strong as in the preamt instance, I do not
see upon what grounds, in the absence of all prece-
dent, you can consistently refuse to comply with the
prayer of the Petition."
Lord RE DESDALE said, that the chief argument
which he had heard to receiving the Queens propo-
sition, amounted to this, that the House had done
wraia, before in acceding to a similar request, and
now ought to do wrong again. He repeated the ar-
gument that her Petition was not against any mea-
sure which had been taken by the House, but was
intended to oppose some measure about to be taken,
and said thit, if Counsel were admitted on such a
proposition to the Bar, there could be no restraint
upon, then', they might talk on anything or every
thi.ig they pleased, as by the terms of the Petition
there was no particular subject or limitation.
Lord HOLLAND teinarked, that the Noble and
Learned laOtil seemed to misunderstand the prayer
of the Petition. It had two distinct objects, one of
which was, to be heard against the allegations in the
Report, and the other to communicate certain weighty
matters which might be of importance to her future
defence. It was said that it would put the House'in
an extraordinary situation; but the House had been
put in an extraordinary situation by the proceedings
which led to it; now, indeed, thine was a great deal
of talk about forms; but was this a case: uhich,
after breaking through all regularity, all r of
proceeding, could now allow them to envellt:peolem-
selves in technical Niceties, and look cautiously about

for precedents? It was no-argument, in a case like
this, to talk of the impossibility of the proceedings of '
the House being known to her Majesty. It would be
a waste of words to dwell upon it. He was as much '
attached to foreas as any man; but in a case like this '
forms were of ao consequence whatever. The Noble
Lord then proceeded to chew, that the very measure
which the Committee recommended took the case
out of a/Übe ordinary course of proceeding, and
made the Howse institute a criminal proceeding con-
trary to all precedent In one instance, indeed, a
criminal diarge had been laid on the table by Lord
Worcester; but it was declared illegal and unconsti-
tutional, and he was obliged to withdraw it. This,
he contended, was therefore a case unexampled and
anomaious. The Noble Lord(Ellenbarough).says he
would do equal and impartial justice, the same to the ,
Queen as to the lowest individual ; but can he adduce
an instance of a Secret Committee having Papers re-
fei red to them respecting the conduct of any humble
individual, and laying a direct and positive charge
against that individual upon the üble of this House?
Where, then, is the analogy, and how can the case of
the Queeu be disposed of by such ar argument?—
The Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, with
regard to the charge of our prejudging the case
through the medium of that Report, says, that Jury-
men are in the habit of divesting their minds of what
they have heard, when a prisoner is to be tried who
has previously confessed his guilt. But will. the No-
ble and Law-lied Lord assert, that the same Jurymen
try the prisoner who heard his confession of guilt?
And is it not a valid objection to a Juryman that he
had already investigated the,case of the prisoner
whose trial is called on? I cannot, therefore, see,
under all the circumstances of this estraordinarY case,
what objection there is to the hearing Counsel on be-
ll ill of her Majesty, as prayed by this Petition.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM concurred with
his Noble Friend, that the House had placed itself in
a situation of some difficulty, by agreeing, in the for-
mer instance, to hear Counsel at the Bar. But there
was this difference between the present case, and that
in which the Petition was assented to, that then there
was a proceeding pending, whereas now there was
none. In the present instance their Lordships had
appointed a Secret Committee, they had suspended
the sitting of that Committee, and in the interval her
:Majesty had applied to be heard by Counsel against
the prcteeding. It was possible that their Lordships
might, after the argnmeats of Counsel, have prevented
the meeting of the Secret Committee, and voted that
they should proceed no further. But what was their
situation now? The Committee had-made their He-
pert, and the Noble Earl had given notice of a Bill
founded on that Report ; in the interval there *as no
proceeding. Suppose, then, that they were permitted
to plead, on what proceeding could the House divjde
alter having heard the arguments ? They would not
determine that ale Noble Lord should not bring in
his Bill. What then couid they do the moment after
Counsel had withdrawn, which they could not have"
dune without bearing one word of the argument ?
Her Majesty did not pray to be heard against the
proceeding. There was none before the Rouse. When
the proceeding was instituted, then was the time to

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make any application connected with her
and GOD forbid that he, or any one, should
grant anything which might he nspwry
fence, or, if possible, heriustifiCatieb: 's
The Earl of DAIINIIP: contended,; ghat
port of the CommitteeNeas a proceedini
the most serious nature, on Which her Mai
right, to present a Petition. The situation
they stood was one in which they had no analogy
guide them, and they were placed in that situp
by a series r measures Which appeared to him a.
his Noble Friends objectionable in many respects.—
But how did they stand at present.? After referring
the case of the Queen to a Secret Conimittee, a Com-
mittee, he would admit, of the most honourable men,
of men who were incapable of bringing in any Re-
port hut what the evidence would seem to justify,
her Majesty had petitioned to be heard by Counsel.
lie knew nothing of the facts ; he wishes much that
it Was possible for him to know no more ; kit if they
refused the request of the Queen in the present in-
stance, it would seem as if they had not granted her
all the advantages which her defence required, and
which were granted to other petitioners. He trusted,
therefore, that the House would not be induced, by
the arguments of the Noble Marquis, to refuse the
application to be heard by Counsel on the present
occasion.
Lord DACRE said, that her Majesty having heard,
no matter by what means, that distinct charges were
preferred against her, was naturally anxious, and pre-
pared to defend herself as far as it was 'possible to
proceed at present, and to state weighty matters,
which in justice to her further defence required to be
stated in this stage of the. proceedings. Ile trusted
that the• House('would feel the propriety of acqui-
escing in such a request. •
The question for proceeding to call in Counsel
was then put from the Woolsack, and negatived(
without a division.

BILL OF PAINS AND PENALTIES.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL then said—" My Lords,
in the discharge of a most painful duty, I rise to present
the 13111 which I now hold in my hand. In doing so
I feel that I shall best consult your wishes, my own
inclinations, and the delicacy which is due to all
patties concerned, by abstaining in the present stage
from any details respecting the important matter re-
ferred to in the preamble of the Bill. That pre-
amble will speak tor itself, and it will be for those
who are officially employed in this distressing case,
to prove at your Lordships' bar the allegations con-
tained in the preamble. Under these circumstances
your Lordships would no doubt be impressed with
the deepest regret, if anything should take place
that could have a tendency to create more prejudice
than seems to arise necessarily out of every case of
accusation. Neither am I disposed to revive former ..
discussions by what I shall offer this night ; but I
must say with my Noble Friend on the Woolsack,
that after the best considerittion I could give the
question, I still remain of opinion, that if we were .
to retrace our steps again, I know not how the
House could move in any other manner. I know,
that the course of impeachment was suggested, but
I stated before the difficulties to which that proceed-
ill% was liable. Without arguing the objections over
again, or undervaluing the arguments opposed on .
the other side, I must still assert that the course
adopted was that which recommended itself upon
every ground of constitutional principle and analogy.
It was at least doubtful whether an impeachment
could be sustained under all the circumstances of the
case. My Noble Friend on the Woolsack doubted it.
Another Noble Lord (Erskine), who has also sat on
the Woolsack, and who was equally conspicuous for
his talents and his knowledge of the criminal jaws
of this country, doubted it ; so that lookinjg at it as
a question of doubt alone, I ask your Lordships
whether we should be justified in commencing any
proceeding with an uncertainty before our eyes as
to whether we should be able to bring it to any con-
clusion or not? That being the state of the course
of Impeachment, the Bill which I now present was
the only one open to your Lordships upon this sub-
ject. You know that the case could not be tried in
the Ecclesiastical Courts, or in the Courts of Law.-,
A legislative proceeding was-all that remained, and
the only question then was, in which of the two
Houses of Parliament the proceeding ought to com-
mence ? I stated on a former occasion, that it was
competent to either House of Parliament to com-
mence it, but that it was more peculiarly fit for this
House to do so in the present instance, because the
forms of the House, and the power it possesses to
examine evidence Upoa-oath, afford a better chance
that justice shall be done to both parties ; I stated
further, that this was not in the ordinary sense a Bill
of Divorce, that it was not ucase between two indivi-
duals, that it was not a mere question of injury between
the King and the Queen, but between the Queen and
the State also. Yet as it must refer in some degree
to the marriage between the illustrious persons, I
thought, and I still think it better that the proceed-
ing should originate with this House.• The only
question that remains is, whether the Bill ought to
have been brought forward in the first instance on
the responsibility of Ministers, or whether a Secret
Committee ought to have been interposed ? I have
considered this point maturely, I have considered it
both with reference to precedent and to principle,
and upon either ground I conclude that the course
which we have adopted is correct. Your Lordships
will not find that any legislative measure of this kind
has ever been adopted -without previous inquiry.—
It was not that the Executive Government shrunk
from the responsibility, but that it was necessary to
avoid the adoption of such a measure on .the mere
apse disit of the Minister of the day, and to re-
quire the interposition of some intermediate •body.
It was not merely the question whether the evidence
was sufficient, that the Committee had to determine,
but all the various considerations connected with the
nature of the evidence, arnd the dangers of disclosure,
and whether these considerations were such as to
warrant or discountenance the adoption of any pro-
ceeding. There is no mode of shaping an accusation
so as to avoid the excitement of some prejudice
against the accused. The mere commitment of an
individual by a Magistrate, excites a prejudice against
r that individual to a certain extent. It is an evil, but
an evil that cannot be avoided; it is an imperfection,
but one that is inseparable from.the administration of
justice; and all that remains for us is, to choose be-
0/veil the. aucriatiev, which sitecessity imposes,, either

the
justify _
tions can be proved, in depriving her Majesty afa,
her rights and prerogatives as .Queen Consort, and
dissolving the marriage as a necessary consequence.
This is the full extent of the Bill—there are no other
penal consequences in its enactments, which are
framed in such a manner as not to bear with any se-
veri?y that could be avoided against the. Illustrious
Individual who is the object of them: As to the
question of the provision which it may be proper to
make for her Majesty, in case the charges should be
substantiated by evidence, that will more properly
become the subject of cans3deration hereafter in ano-
ther place. The essence of the charge is founded in
the preamble. 4,0 n that ground, when the Bill pro-
ceeds to the second reading, it will be necessary that
we should go to the proof. Your Lordships will, no
doubt, aischarge this duty as you have done every
other in which you have been engaged, in such a
manner as to entitle you to the respect and confi-
tidence of the country. It. is my intention to move,
'if your Lordships should consent to the first reading
of this Bill, that a copy of it shall.be furnished to the',
Illustrious Person • whose station and privileges it
affects. I am indifferent whether I now appoint a
day for the second reading, subject to any postpone-
ment which her Majesty's convenience may re-
quire, or leave it, without fixing any period, for a
few days, until her determination is known as to the
course of proceeding which she may think proper to
adopt. Perhaps it is as well that I should formally fix
this day fortnight, leaving it to be determined in the
interval what further postponement shall take place. '1
The subject, I can assure your Lordships, gives me,
in common with every other man in the country, the
greatest. pain. We all feel deeply on the occasion;
but if there is any one class of persons who may be'
supposed to feel more than others, it is natural to
think that those who are entrusted by his Majesty
with the Executive Government, and who, in the
performance of their duty, came forward on this
painful occasion, should be the persons to feel the
most. It has been our endeavour to-discharge our
duty with all justice and lenity towards the Illustrious
Person, and it is a satisfaction to reflect that there
are no precedents for the last two hundred years, ex-
cept in the case of one individual, who never came to
this country, or appeared as Queen, in which even a
whisper has been known to circulate against the cha-
lacter of the Queen Consort. It is a satisfaction to
reflect also upon the benefit which the country has
experienced during the last sixty years from the ex-
ample of the Illustrious Individual who filled the
Throne, and reflected by her conduct such purity on
the public morals. It would have been a fortunate
circumstance, I shall alw-a.ys contend, if the shame and
scandal which must attend such an investigation,
';whatever theresult may be, could have been.avoided;,
but we are placed in a situation which leaves us no
alternative. The question is not the impunity of
guilt, but the trial of guilt. GOD grant that the ao:
cused may be able to disprove the charges ; but how-
ever that may be, there remains but one straight-for-
ward course for you, my Lords. lam confident you
will adopt it; I am confident you will do your duty ;
and whatever momentary clamour may exist, the
country in the end will do you justice."
The Bill, of which the following is a literal copy,
was then read by the Clerk:

4, A BILL

Tib deprive her Majesty, CA ROLM' Alum*. F..sissarni, of the.
Title, Prerogatives, Rights, Privileges, and Pretensions of
Queen Consort of this Realm, and to dissolve the Marriage
between his MA, ICSTY and the said Qurras. •
/Where*, in the year 1814, her Majesty, Careline Amelia

Elizabeth. then Princess of Wales, and mow Queen Consort of
this realm, being at Milan, in Italy. engaged in her service, in a
menial situation, one Bartolomo Pergami, otherwise Bartolomo
Brugami, a foreigner of low station, who had before served in a
similar capacity
" And whereas, after the said Bartolomo Person* other-
wise Bartolomo Beriami, bad so entered the service of her
Royal Highness, the said Princess of Wales, a most unbecoming
and disgusting intimacy commenced between her Royal High-
neis and the said Bartolomo Pergami, otherwise Bartolomo

Bergami :
“ And whereas her Royal Higb,ness not only advanced the
said Bartolomo Pergatni, otherwise Bartolonao Bergami, to a
high situation in her Royal Highness's Household, and received
him into her service, and that in bigh and confidential situations
about her Royal Highness's person, but bestowed upon hini
other great and extraordinary marks of favour and distinction,

obtained for him Orders of Knighthood and Titles of Honour,
and conferred upon him a pretended Order of Knighthood,
which her Royal Highness had taken upon herself to institute,
without any just er lawful authority :
" And whereas lier said Royal Highness, whilst the said Bar-
tolomo Pergami, otherwise Bartolomo Bergami, was in her
said set vice, further unmindful of her exalted, rank and station,
and of her duty to your Majesty, and wholly regardless of her
own honour and character, conducted herself towards the said
Bartolomo Pergami, otherwiae Bartolomo Bergami, and* lo
other respects, both in public and private, and in the various
places and countries which her Royal Highness visited, with in-1
decent and offensive familiarity and freedom, and carried on al
licentious, disgraceful, and adulterous intercourse with the said
Bartolomo Pergami, otherwise Bartolomo Bergami, which con-
tinued for a long period of time, during her Royal Highness's
residence abnrad, by which conduct of her said Royal Highness,
.great scandal and dishonour have been brought upon your Ma-
jesty's Family and this Kingdom.
" Therefore, to manifest our deep sense of such scandalous,

disgraceful, and vicious conduct on tire part of her said Majesty.
.by which sh • has violated the duty she'owed to your Majesty,
and has rendered herself unworthy of tl e exalted oak and sta-
tion of Queen Consort of this Realm, and to evince our just re-
gard for the dignity of the Crown and the honour of this Na-
tion, we, your Majesty's most dutiful -and loyal subjects, the
Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons. in Parliament
assembled, do hereby entreat your M.,jesty that it may be
enacted, and be it enacted by the King's Most Excellent Majesty..
by and with the adsice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and
Temporal, and Commons, u. this present rarliapoi.ot amietubleti,
qni by the authority of the same, that her said Majesty, Caro-
line Amelia Elizabeth, from and after thr passing of. this Act,

hereby, deprived of the title of Queen, and c.,7 41!
_As, privileges, and exempzians appprtaini-:
Consort of this Realm ; and that her said
after the passing of this Act, for eva- be
rendered incapable of using, exercising, and eniot_
of them ; and moreover, that the matrirge
and the said Caroline Anhlia Elizabeth be,
heteby from lienrtellrth for ever•wholly
and made void, to 41 intents cor.structions,
whatsoever."

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After-the Bill was read a first time,
The gad of'Ll'ii%R.POOL moved, "That Cee's•A
should be sent to her Majesty, and her NlajeAy't ‘t-
torney-General, and also to the King's Attorney.
General;" which was agreed to.
Earl GREY said he rose for the purpose of point_
ing out the necessity of having the Bill drawn nut
in that form, and of pursuing such a course as ((mkt
enable the Queen to Make every necessary pteparaa-
tion for her defence. In every case of a Bill of IL.:
dictment being' preferred before Grand
time and plate at which the crime laid in the indict-
ment was alleged to be committed, as specifically
mentioned therein. But such was not the ease in
the present Bill ; the Queen wa'• merely stated to have
proceeded in a course of criminality ; but the legal
description of that criminality was mit accurately
given, so as to enable her Majesty prepare for her
defence. He therefore wished to ko.,w, whether the
Noble Earl intended to adopt any other mode of pro-
ceeding subsequently, with a vie.v io suppiy hat (in-
fect? He wished also to ask, whe,her coitriz
was in contemplation for supplying her with
the names of the witnesses which ate to be
produced against her ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that the second
reading of the Bill would be the proper time to en-
ter into the discussion. He had no difficulty, how-
ever, in stating, that the specification in the pream-
ble was as particular as any other to which they
could refer, and was in all respects sufficient to guide
her Majesty's defence. With regard to the names of
the witnesses, it was unprecedented in the history of
Parliamentary proceedings to furnish them, while a
Bill-of Pains and Penalties was depending. It was
unusual in all proceedings, except in trials for
Treason; but as her Majesty had claims to the ut-
most indulgence, sufficient time would be allowed
her to collect her evidence, and this would do away
the only plausible grouild. that existed for demand-
ing a list of the witnesses. • • •
-Lord DACRE moved, " Thather Majesty's Counsel
should now be called to the Bar, in order to state
prints which were necessaryio •her defence." He
did this upon information whithhe had received wry
recently.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL suggested that the
Noble. Lord Might obtain his object without re.orting
to a course which was contrary to the whole analogy
of their proceedings, and promised that if a Petitants
was presented to-morrow, the Bill being in progress,
he would not then object to it.
Lord DACRE assented, and did not press the
motion.

Earl GREY thought, that whatever course was
taken under the present proceedin4, it must be at-
tended with great disadvantage. The commence-
ment of a proseCution, grounded upon evidetic_t
which could not be met for a considerable time after
the evidence had prodticed its impression, WAN 1111;.4.•
vourable to the ends of justice. It would be mote
conducive to that end if the w hole could be I.ost-
potted until there was an opportunity for peacee.i;re
with the accusation and defence together. In ad
Divorce Bills, the accused party had the advantage
of the knowledge to be derived from previous pro.
ceedirigs, in which everything was specified dis-
tinctly, so that she was aware cf all that could be
urged against•her. The Noble Earl had alluded to
the management of the case at the Bar; bat he
wished to know by what authority, or at whose di-
rectibn any person could appear at that Bar to con-
duct the prosecution ?
The 'Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that the Attorrey-
General might be called upon by the authority cf
the House, either to appear himself, "or to provide
some person to conduct it.
Earl GREY observed, that from the Noble Lord's
stateinent it would appear as if the House itself had
assumed the character of a prosecutor in the ca.e
which it was about to try.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that the House
had actually appointed Counsel in other cases, and
there could be no doubt that they would see justice
done between the parties.
Earl GREY said he was aware that the House had
appointed Counsel in other case, in that for instance
of the Berkeley case, but here was a case of prose-
cution for which he had not heard any precedent.—
He was as faf as the Noble Lord from suspecting the
justice of the House; but, as he hxdsaid upon former
occasions, it was not only necessary that they should
'be just, but 'that they should appear above suspicion.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL maintained; that if fair
issue was joined, it was impossible that they could
beat a loss to try the case. It could not be the vet -:ti
of hny one that guilt shotn go unpunished,. or th 4:
justice should not be done.
• Darl GREY repeated hit objection, and wished to
protect the Hotise against being placed in a situatitia
in which it must exert se conjointly the functions t.f
a Public Prosecutor, L islator, and Judge.
_ The LORD CHANCELLOR 'defended the pre-
needing by a Bill of Pains and Penalties originating
.in that Houke, and justified the interposition of a Se-
cret Committee. The Attorney-General was one ci
the legal assistants of that House, in which capaeits,-
he was liable to be called on to conduct tbepmceediag •
Lord HOLLAND remarked, that the Attornt.;,-
General as a Member of another House, wad migits
therefore be objected to as the manager of a prote;-
cutien ill the House of Lords, upon which he woula
have to pronounce hereafter in the House of Con:
mons. He expected that the Noble Lord would liir:r
stated. some reasons, after so many professions of 07e
laborious consideration he had' given to the subjec .
'but he had not stated distinctly on what precedc-r
he wished the House to act. He hoped that tl"
wpuld be done before any direction was given to the
A tte-rney• General. .
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that though the
order was given to the Attoraey.General, he wou:a;
not be obliged to appear personally, but might sett'
%tune other person, as had occurred in. many cries..
• The Il.,use then adjutnned.

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ter, defence : to abandon investigation altogether, or t0_4405 it shall be, and is herd)!
• -
ild objeceto under a disadvantage from which rise $4O/Witower I the prerogatives, righi
y to her de- to separate vit.. Ilut.*.,is noipa
,thntion rtspikctini !to her as Queen Cons
_ Individual only, ghatlate quoirffiou,'44 ley shall, from and
that the Re- do not-feel that the catirsetwe have adOPted, in idisstoted and renders!
and one of any degree inconsistent *kit-those principles ofjps=l ingtihe same, or any
ajesty had a tics which we have all an equalipterep. in maintaining. I hatween his Majes.y ;
M in which The preamble states as much, particularly with re- and the same is her;
) analogy to, spect to the number and nature of the offences, as wired, annulled, ant
tat situation' will justjfy Parlianner.t, I presume, if the allega- and purposes abloom