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rather underrated the advantages of emigration. 'll4 ._ au pinsible information, aoet that '
evidence given before the Committee proved, that if the 'We, ed. •As. to the Passengers'. A
emigrants were settled on the borders of civilization, 'meet with no resistance, and that
where they might at the commencement labour tut .lote vessels proceed on their Toys
others as well as themselves, they might certainly be die present season.--The Questa°,
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located without any expense to this country. The 1-1,..
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Member .then proceeded to read extracts from the rt ; Mr. WILMOT-HORTON then
solutions of the Canadian Assembly.. The *greatest
bring in a Bill to revive And ame
complaint on the subject of.emigrationwas, that 3,oit . .tating vessels carrying passengers t
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acres of the best land was appropriated to parties soh; on the (l
UME thought the Rig
end= being put,
had not performed any action which beneficial Is bit.
the Government of that colony - ; shoniiklook at the export of the a
! Mr.GRATTANsaId, there were two ways of settlial . -
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on this subject flee years ago, .
the question of emigrationZw.eithei by a publiejtranta ; . 'lbis Bill. The House wantei f
lby private subscription. He had not seen any 14 '',, 'the subject.
1 Gentleman, either iti that House or elsewhere, oiler is I Mr. HUSKISSON, in reply to t
'subscribe some 161. ahead to emigrate individuals. Pat
. 41' onourab:e Member (Mr. Hume),
himself he preferred that the sum proposed to be ei: : -a statement made by Sir J. Camp.
pended in emigration should be spent at home. The
this hand, out of 160 passengers i
plan of the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. W. Holton! :-", Halifax, five had died, and the re ~
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was, he thought, hgli!y censur ,bie. What he ohicatio,,, ,
by the typhus fever; and that in
to was, that this subject should be agitated in Pir4 ' population consisted of 10,000 per
ment ; because persons imagined that in emigrating
.consequence Pf an influx of disea
they %%Mild of necessity be provided for, and thus the -- was therefore absolutely necessar
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whole affair ended in disappoiniment. Any forthe
unfortunate occurrences, to enact c
proceeding in this matter would, he thought, only tend . ' the subject—particularly with resP
to lead the country astray. . board a sufficient supply of wateN
Colonel DAVIES thought that not a farthing of die the passengers. On the passage t 4
sums advanced would ever be reuited; and if, as it of the emigrant vessels from Itelan
was suggested, that the people should pay in kind, it
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veiled, and in another mutiny occc
was quite tidiculous for a moment to suppose 50... After a few words from Mr. STANLII
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If it should be desirable to settle emigrants abroad, It . 11
__OBINSON, and Sir Jamas GRAM/111, !CAI/
might, he thought, be effected at a lesser expense this the 13111.
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that mentioned by the Right Hon. Gentleman.' A great . ad HARVEY moved for a
- subptenas Mr. D.
respondendum issued from
alteration-ought to be made in the porn laws, and thdt, alai tke number of appearances which ha
the Hon. Member thought, would go a great way tr, . the last six years.—Ordered.

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destroy the necessity of emigration. • • - TEST AND CORPORATION
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT observed, that he wool' Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that
yield in opinion to no man, that the may means of :r. ti tire re.ceipt
Actsof
bthehßeport ad of the Conimi
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lieving the country was by an extensive ernigratieo, .m lattlwas read accordingly. The lt,port
The Honouyahle Baronet thought that the Right HQ, it
,- Resolutions of the Committee, that so
Gentleman (Mr. Wilmot- Horton) hid done hirnj . 13th of Chalks 11. the 25th of Charks I
great credit in pursuing:this question in the amnions • .
.11. is relate to the Sacrament of-the Lox
.- pealed, were then agreed to.
had done. - - Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved for le
Mr. LEYCESTER complained that the population . Ammuance of these Resolutions. He sho
of England were impeded in the cultivation of land by , should be read a second time some day ne •
.the barriers of tithes and taxes. He had himself Monday be'nnight.
oi'Mr. MOORE moved the second readi.
expended 6,0001. upon a piece of ground, which mitt ..
:land) Chapel Rill.
have been done for 3,0001. The other 3,0004 found" „ :. Mr. GRATTAN suggested the prapr
their way
Government should interfere and abolish the motion by those who might be interested
way into the Treasury. What he desired was, i . for a fortnight, in order to afford time te
that the 1
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existing impediments, and then the people of Englaud Friday.
might find ample employment. - Mr. G. IILOGRE moved the second •
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Mr. BENNETT remarked, that the lands. in England _ Packets Regulation Bit!. .
and Ireland ought to be cultivated, before we thought Mr. -HUME suggested that the mean
Unked Kingdom.
of cultivating those in C2nada. By encouraging the . Mr. MOORE replied, that such poin.
cultivation of lands in that province, he.thought we dimmiuee.
I were preparing a scourge for our own backs. If there - ,R.B4i second time,and ordered to be -
was such a desire to create emigration, why not transport , - BART RETFORD B
the men who were sentenced to two or tnore years' in. The House again resolved it se
ptisonment, instead of keeping tham at home? As tbe ems the Rest Retford•Dbfranchisetnent IC
proposition went, we were to send away the good mere .Twwwisoe. Mr. IL Gvaaol4 watealleil to
and keep the bad in the country. nesse* were called before any appeared ; a
Colonel WOOD said, that the lands of England, Nathaniel iitiztan answered. He was
son.—Witness said he had been a freema .
which admitted of coltivation, had already been cub years; be lads
certainly voted at the last
.vated ; and that if a further cultivation should be care - -.sot receive any Ekctioo Money at tbeßk
sled into effe4t, it would tend to increase pauperism.- Modid not know how that kappened, et -
A great cause of the necessity of emigratioo existed it . 'ZisW vneiebi, binutanYfor—(goc4tolapugahy.)
lt. NI; 1 1481117,h,ths
the-abuse of the poor laws; and no greater or mot, WI riddw tbe would speak the truth. At
convincing pritof of it could exist than the fact, thane . lonsquineas,br tam, from Leadbetter
Haiibw, in . the county of Middlesex, labouring sea i folded up, but share was so direction-on t
had been rat up to auction—the married men to the , canvassed him for the lastoleciaga, and ea'
He could not think what was cant by
highest bidder, and the single men at .ss. per week. ° die eSpresston uh Rist Retford, but he n
Mr. JOHN SMITH, after complaining of the esti, meant by it--(A latter.) Thirty or forty 4
berance of Irish labourers in the Kingdom, and di - ilile liana knowithether •etbers beard i
cause which naturally followed, viz. a distress amongst .: mad aright have beard is; bat he could n!
the word.
the English . and Scotch labourers, observed, that if ..,P.l4sanien
Ireland had her rights, English capital would flow 4014 ed by Mr. nyees—He did no
abeam or MS t bat money had been pr
' it ;,and as a matter of course, an employment would be ' • By Mr. a WooniroTbe money had .
created for her population. The Honourable Member . Jae ceesidered that si " lie" bad been told.
William Grant was called, and examine
then proceeded to state, that he had himself erected a had never received any thing from Mr.
certain number of cottages on a farm which he had castle's agent. He voted in the I)uk..'s '
taken, allotting to each cottager a quartet of an acre of teen any money from any candidate.
land,'and that since he had done so he had never found lAt be =Ad oor say what sum. •
a defaulter among them. • Mr. Alderman WAl'lf HM AN sa
Mr. W. WHITMORE expressed his doubts whether he 'cautioned not to pursue this e
dukilan of the Right Honourable Gentleman would be sw.eritig-,(Heat).
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found to answer any good purpose.. ile would look at -. The CHAIRMAN pressed on
it carefully, and without prejudice; but he feared the sitrof giving direct answers.
result would be, to convince him still more that insur- . Witness said be could not remember 1
mountable obstacles to it existed, cefted bills. but the sum he could not
Sir J. GRAHAM' asked the Right Hon. Secretarr o.l3aldestone's election he received a pre
Whom it came.
ila the Colonies whi thee he was really to understand " tity Mr. Feacusoe—He received pre
that it was the intention cf Government to reintroduce dections—.he had never received such p
the Passengers' Act, after the Report cf fast Sessios? The presents were in bills or notes; be
Mr.HUSKISSON-1 feel in common with my Right put them into practice."—(A laugh).
whether he counted or reckoned the note
Honourable Friend who has already addressed the
'The CHAIRMAN told the witness that
House, that there is no matter requiring earlier attestor' to send a witness to Newgate for his eve
than the revival of cettin provisions of the Passengers' answer,er rather no-annier, the Comm
Act, which was repealed last year. If the Honourable recommend the same course respecting w
:, Mr. FLROUSON repeated his question i
Baronet had seen all the Reports from New Brunswick
said. it might have been 11. or it migh
,and other Colonies, to which there was a considerable feeeived'money after different elections;
emigration last year, I think he would be satisfied of presents three different times, or four;
the propriety of such a course. Those who arrived and titular how much he had received at an
elections at which be did not receive pre
those who settled brought with them contagious disorders
which—he had nut received any present
of the worst description ; the gaol fever devastated whole al; gave no presents. He once received
townships, to the destruction, in some instances, of not ' an election; it was given to him in the c•
less than one-tenth of the population. The House will h was in news, but he did not know ho
therefore see that it is necessary to legislate, to take not say whether It was one or twenty g
of the notes he received for his labour.
care, for the sake of humanity, that each passenger knew Alderman Parker,
should have sufficient space and accommodation for the Mr. SYKES wished to kno
preservation of health during the voyage. True it h should be put, as yet the House
that there are many provisions in the Act which ought Alderman Parker.
not to be renewed, and are quite needless or inapplica•
Mr. TENNISON replied, that
ble. The season of emigration is now approaching, and .
tion because it had bees intimate
no time ought to be lost, in order that those who may -
man Parree (an Alderman of R•
be disposed to proceed to our possessions in North
America, may arrive there in a condition to benefit gaged in the. Lobby in giving a
against adducing that sort of hon
themselves, and not to injure the Colony. With ro
spect to the general question of Emigration, I feel, by the Howe.
in common with the House, that too much prair Alderman WAITHMAN agai
cannot be given to my Right Hon. Friend, for tire ter of the last witness's evidence.
zeal and ability he has invariably shown in the ena mend his commitment; but he
secution of his object. On the present occasion, commit him, their treatment of
because it would be premature, and for other reasons it harsh, and they would be somew
is not necessary -to state, I do not wish to go into a do. character of the House.
cussion so important. An excess of population is a greater Lord NUGENT said he had r
number than can find comfortable and adequate emiLl' but he thougbt there was the per
treat. That is a great evil, but there may be otters ' any one if it were suspected that
that ought not to be passed over without attention. Of tampered with.
two evils, the greater (and one which is possible in any ,Mrri.- F. PALMER observed, tl
country, and in this not improbable) is that there should thirwitnets had never been at t
be a great emigration of population without a cones- jail ex,amined. He had not given
pooding emigration of capital—(llear, hear.) Such 3 anivaer.
state of things cannot be too much deprecated ;it is oily Li Several Members intimated that the
removing misery from this country to other pa. is of the the Committee.
world. If the House wish to promote the emigration
of the unemployed poor, some provision should pies.. , wafialtrheP•wAorLthlyEi aAldsearidmahne'st')pardoptc
onsty be nude stunt of the last witness—(Cries au
for their profitable employment (I,e•
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wbete„ or that reasonable encouragement' should 5 Mr. Secretary PEEL remark
*forded by the capital accompanying the enligran''. Alderman had only intimated the
At present I shall not offer the least. opposition to Ce not coninvitted, Fos would hat
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notion; but on .the 13th instant, I shall be able to ;" i harshnest.
nod -extensiyely • into. the' getteiat subject, and in 1:i0 ,
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ties-Weil:le lam anxious that the House should rece:ve • nes: s ptevaricitieril ; bet- gloater
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