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London, England, 1829-03-07 00:00:00

parts at the cuuntry from
a the measure of the Government,
the ri.k of losing his seat. lie re ,
*iced .tholics were to be put in the .31114 COn.l
Non as the other classes of Diesenters, as that would unite all In
a bond of common strength which might uhintrely rgiie,,ve the
.I.tablisised Church from some of its privilegee-0011—efooloments.-
Icwae became be thought the measure would tend to the advance-
Meet of pare religion, and tp re•ieve the country from the weight
ref •an ereannous Church Establishment. that be was satisfied his
conduct in supporting it would, in the end, be approved by his con.
stitnents, as it was now by his dissenting friends.
Mr. SPRING RICE could not help expressing bb surprise at
the sentiments which had fallen from the Hon. Alentbetlor Col-
chester who had now for die first time come forward as an advo-
cate foe emancipation. The views of the Hon. Member were sin•
pular ladeed, and he ( Air. Rice) would undertake to say, that they
were not such as would have been taken by those whom be should
take the liberty of designating as men of wise and rational mind.
He (Mr. Rice) was a friend to this question, but on different
grounds from those taken by the Hon. Member foe Colchester.
The effect of the present measure would be, not to attack the
Church Establishment, but to acquire new frlendvto it, while the
number of its enemies would be diminished. He (Mr. Rice)
would rather the Hon. Member bad preserved his neutrality, and
had withheld his support, than have come forward with, he would
not say Invidious, but at all events with details, and mistaken
views of the 'question.
Mr. AGAR, ELLIS presented a Petition from the inhabitants
of Enmity, in favour of the Roman Catholic Claims.
The Marquis of CH A NDOS presented a Petition front the
Clergy, Merchants, and Inhabitants of the city of Glasgow, signed
try 56 OW persons. He did not consider the character of the Irish
Roman Catholics so bad as it bad been represented. Ile hollered
that their feelings and passions were worked amen, wren to the
point of rebellion/ by a caftan 'class of persons not actaated by
public motives, but fur personal interest; and be was site, that U
requisite, the Irish people would come forward manfully, as they
had always done, in defence of the country. He trusted that the
11111, whkb, Übe undehteod it rightly, would have the effect of
overthrowing the Constitution would not be suffered to pass; new
that the Protestant Coostittriati of the country would be sold fee a
Ms rood seer—(Laaahier, and cheers).
on. bUOUGriAbi said be wished it to be understood that

there WAS a Petition of a different character from the same city,
which had not so many names attached to it, because, u be heard.
those who attempted to sign it were hooted by the mob.
Mr. H. 111 AX WELL said that he bad lately presented a Petition
from the Clergy of Glasgow. which bad attached to it the names of
nil the Clergymen of that city, except four. The Petition was then
read. as were several others presented by the Noble Marquis.
The Noble Marquis wascootinving to present Petitions, when
upon the question of being read was put,
Mr. P. MILD MAY said, that as the House and country were
Impatient Whear the result of the adjourned debate. be should sug-
gest to the Noble Marquis the propriety of postponing the reading
of Petitions until a future day ; and. to attain his object, be should
move, as an amendment, that the adjourned debate be resumed.
The Marquis of CH A N DOS said, if the Amendment wore put
he should divide the House upon the question.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said that be hoped their discussion would
be conducted with gond humour. He thought that be might ob-
viate all difficulties by stating to the HoOse the course which be
intended. It was his intention, after going into Committee, to
propose a Resolution upon those intentions. Which be had already
explained. That might he done on Monday, and the Bill proposed
opal that Resolution, if agreed to, be should propose to read a
second time on that day week. He also intended. at the same
time, to bring in a second Bill for regulating the Elictive Fran.
chise in Ireland. In this way there would be sufficient time left
for the presentation of all Petitions connected with the measure.
He knew the generous nature of the Noble Marquis, sod be hoped
be would allow the discus.ion to be resumed,

The Marquis of CHANDOS regretted h; could not acquiesce
in the suggestion of his Right lion. Friend. If Gentlemen opposite
would persist Is having the question put be would divide the House.
Mr. A. ELLIS put it to the Noble Lord whether he would
pullet in patting it stop to the business of the (louse.
Mt. Secretary PEEL said. It was better to allow his Noble
Friend to present a few pons ature.—(Cries of" Order of clop',
Day." " Go on.")
The Mar uis of CHANDOS presented a Petition against fur-
titer aepasdon to the Catholics front the Provost and Fellows of
the Royal College of Rhin.
Crawl SIRTHORPE thought it was the duty of the friends
id the Coindtutioa not to allow the House to proceed any further
la this detestable ateasitee, which would sap the foundation +f the
State. and endanger the cecurity of the Empire—(lleart hear, and
laughter). Honourable Members might laugh. but he would ten
theta that be'earedns little for their unties as he did ter their
frowns, and he would only say to them.
" Rlsu Wept° nulls res ineptior."
Mr. C. PALLMER would submit to ate House that there was

not my byname which mere required their immediate attention
thou the number of petitions which were to be presented; and,
bumble as he was, even If he were alone. -he would divide the
Hduse on the question of proceeding to the Order of the Day while
a single petitiun frum the people remain to be presented.
The SPICAARR then put the question that the House should
proceed to the Order of the Day for continuing the ediuursed do.
hate i—The House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion .
Against it

SOS
TS

Majority tor coarinuing the adjourned debate ...130
On our return to the pUeey.
Ms. C. GRANT sthe. He conftsteJ that he was

extremely devirous of expressing his opinion on this
most important'question; and in the first praoe. with
the permission of the Muse, he should refer to a re•
mask which had been last night made by his Honour-
able Friend the Member for Oxford. His Hon. Friend
had asked why the ground, on which the claim's of ttie
Rnmin Catholics had been always urged in this House

were now changed, and whether ice gamut,* which
had been so long debated on the principles of right and
justice was now to be moved solely on the principles of
expediency and necessity? As he (Mr. G.) had at all
times been the friend of Catholic Emancipation—as be
bad supported the measure in gloomy as well as in
brighter prospects—be would beg to inform bis lion
Friend, that if the ;rounds which be had advocated—
the grounds on which it bad formerly been debated in
this House by many brilliant friends of the measure
sow no more, namely, the principles of right and jos-
tie% were not now brought forward, it was not that
they were abandoned, far less ihat they had ceased to
exist; but solely on account of the peculiar and auspi-
cious circumstances under which the present Will Was
to be introduced. His Honourable Friend would like-
wise recollect that, though the measure had heretofore
been grounded on the principles of justice, the capes
diency of concessions had been likewise urged. The
necessity bad been altogether denied by some—by others
it bad been considered as remote; but the period was
now arrived when, as the necessity was very generally
acknowledged, so it was no longer to berviewed as re-
mote. It was above them—it was around them—it
pressed upon every side. Thu country, he tb. ugin. bad
never yet been in a more critical 'headers than at the
corameecement of the pe-ent Session of Parliament --
lie bad beard it denied, up to last night, that there diet
not Wit a necessity for conciliating the people of Ire-
lead in the degree which bad been represented by Ms
Majesty's Ministers; but he would ask. whether, when
the•Sessinsi of Parliament had commenced, there were
not ski millions of people arrived at such a bright
of disaffection that a single word from one man
would have involved the empire in civil war? He
lamented that all the Honourable Members who
were incite intimately connected with Tieletkl did not
see. or aid not acknowledge, the danger ; but he would
Teter eve. to tl ore Honourable Members—he would
refer to-the Petitions which t'ey had'presenred agahr.t
Catholic Emancipatir n....and he would ask whether
they did not represent the state of society in that coin-
trx as convulsed to -its very•foundation? Beu is was
suiewient tor his perpf.se an reter-torhat great political
phenomenon—that great power which bad sprung .op
amongst the people, and which had practically assumel
the functions of the Legislature—which bad not only
levied eonwibutions shrr ughout the can't y, belt had
actually received pecuniary assistance from foreign
State., ittid Welt had afforded proiection to the ver)
Government which had been unable to contrsul it—.

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