Star.
London, England, 1810-05-04 00:00:00

could not discover any dittg in it so o> ;,c a
~.he petition which had been already received. 13:
should never admit that any expressions
which that House might cor:sider as orrensi.e7,.."
to induce them to shut nut Crom that Nowt :1;1
nions of the people. What WA6 actually rf% t 3,:
specting this petition, or how was it to he ethe.;
wotafee -If the -people found (*milt with alai
done in that House, were they not to say sot
they did pot say so. how could they "plan.
what grounireould.they lay for redress ? h
constant maxim of the. I-louse not to allow
to be presented against -a tax in the salve SeAkr.,"
which it was proposed, though such re. titirns 11.7
be presented in a subsequent Session. He irto4;.
de: take to say that hundreds of such cares were ill,
touncl upon their Journals, in which taxes s, ere
sensed as partial, oppressive. and unjust; ap i
did .not believe that any one of these
were rejected in consequence of such expression.
Could any thing be abstractedly more offers:re th,
to charge that House with partiality,
and injustice ? and yet it did not appear that
petition!, had'ever been rejected in consequence
their containing such charges, because that Hoi
considered them as convcy:ng the sentiments cf
petitioners. It should be equally ro with regard
the present petitioners. They thouelit the Co;
of that House unjust, and they told them so,
they really had conscientiously thought the Hon,
its conduct unjust, how could they express that
words but such as they bad made use of, and
to make use of? Far, indeed, was he from
ring in the sentiments contained in their p.._
He knew of no privilege claimed by that IL
which it did not possess. He knew ot no
exercised by it which it had not the right comp,
—Lie had most certainly read in that mit*
elsewhere, that the House had chimed and exe.,
privileges and powers which it did not coat
tionally possess ; but such statements he was
fr,rn considering as offensive, proceeding as they
from an ignorance of the Constitution. The
render of any of the privileges of that house
lead to the destruction of the Constitution. He
gretted the ignorance which seemed to influence
people upon this subject ; but he could not lock
it as an offence, if they differed in opinion from
House, that they should say so. As to what had
said of the designs of those who promoted the pi
meetings in which these petitions originated,
should say that he knew of no such designs. If
nisters were apprized of any such designs, it
their duty to make a case for Parliament, and to
vidnthemselves with the means of effectually ,
in-acting them. But he could not admit that
siatemeets in newspapers were good actherity,
ought upon such subjects to be made the found u;
of ac;timents in that House. For himself, he
pot inclined to place any dependance upon st
ments given in newspapers as reports of what
been said at public meetings. The rround
which he could not give credit to such gat
was, that he had lately read in three or four .
papers accounts all neatly coinciding of what ,
been said at one of these meetings in Palace Yard
the Honourable Member for Oakhampton, which
was sure that Honourable Member never LA
and which, as he 51W the Honourable Men:ber
Lis pl.tcc, he was sure that Honourable

would not hesitate to declare he had never
these accounts that 1 lonottrahle Gentleman was
tented to have said, " that tha Gentlemen ci
Oppcsicion had taken the occasion, the -
motion was made by Ministers against Sir F.
Burdett, to run down that Honourable Baronet;
they had taken that particular occasion to
their determination of rallying round the
ment ; that they could not conceal or suppress
joy at the commitment of that Honourable I
net." Now, as to all these assertions, he had
to say, that he knew of no such intention to i
round his Majesty's Minkters, nor of any joy fell
the commitment of Cie Iloncitir.thle Baronet,

that prrtion t.t the Members of the House known
the Opposition ; and if eililer existed, he must,'
tho degree of their confidence which he pot
perhaps in a higher degree than he merited,
kuowo it. On the contra' y, they all declared
vote 4 against that commitment. Again, he .
read h; the same papers, chat hi was equally p
buaded could never ILiva been said by that Her
able Gentleman, that the conduct ot` the
tlen had been worse even than that of the

tial:sts, Lecause they bad found fault with Gt.
meta for not having called in the Military soot
Upon this assertion, he could also state, that it
no foundation in fact. The Gentlemen on his
of the House, instead of adopting such: _
had accused and condemned the Government
having employed the Military before they had
whether the Civil Power would not have beta
dew... IL was, therefore, of opinion, that no di
Lnce whateyer was to be placed in such stet:
in newsropers, nor should they be relied on as t.
ground of argument in that House. It had
been stated, that 211 of those who composed
two greet parties in t!lat House were cc
and an%ious to get rid cf the honest and ink
dent mt:n who were enemies of their corraptic
It was absolutely impossible that there should be
honest men in that House but the very fAv M
bers who were thus represented as looking
themselves as the only persons possessing int(
and holding out all others as corrupt. —lt
impossible that any Honourable Member could
"sated, that out of the 65S Members composing
House, 650 were notorious rogues, and the re'
ing few alone honest. He must again therefore
peat, that no dependance was to be placed upon'
accounts in the public papers. As to the qt,
under consideration, he should again assert that
House was bound to support the right of the •
to petition ; that it was conformable to its
usage, to construe the language of Petitions as
as was intended to be respectful to that House!
that therefore they should suffer this Petition to
the table.
Mr. WARDLE hoped the House would inu
him in a few observations, in reply to the pc-ronll
tacks which had been made upon hint ( 1,, to.
the Opposition' --salton the newspaprri.)
Right Honourable Gentleman 11.1,1 quoted troll
newspapers certain expressions which were
to him, that Right Honourable Gentlema
have stated where 1 had found them, Walls-.

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