Star.
London, England, 1828-06-28 00:00:00

Is original Motion
kat It .

Majority

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s being put that the House do now resolve itself
• •
&tee,
IRON proposed as an amendment that the House do
"mime on the 14th July.
ry PERL thought it would be better to go into the
present. The t►ird reading might be postponed,
he other Bill for disfrasichising the voters against
bad been proved.
NN tettommended that both Bills should be mai.
Committee.
..VERTsaid; that if the Bills were to pass paripassu
no objection.
then ordered to withdraw. but no division took

words limn Mr. Secretary Pest. and Mr. Trotstatot,
t. was negatived without a division.
LVERT moved that the Speaker do now helve the

'IOC moved that it be an iestruction to the Mea-
nt the franchise to the county of York.
OD opposed the Amendasent,bn the ground that It
the existing system of representation in yorkshise,
Se attended with much inconvenience.
:OMSK expressed a hope that the Noble Lord
tvr his modem. as, If carried, it would lead to no

ere then ordered to withdraw, when a &viol=

dodos .

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thy hoe the Motion . —7s
ra we found the House in a Continittee on the an.

4 RUSSELL moved that the bares& of East Ret•
rescinded from moon burgesses to Parliament. He
the Crown should have the selection of a new me-
ws Members. , ,

ila;;Wsisup port the Nobl, Lads motion, but he
wt giving any further power to the Crown.
WIS raid this Home Mould do its duty, and not
duty upon the Crows.
man WOOD hoped the Goverumeot would take up
nd sot keep it night after nightie' the course of • (Re-
sumed that the Chairman do new leave the Chair.
EY objected to the Amendment oldie 'Worthy Al-

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IT was then cleared for a dMalm.
or the mottos .

paw It . . • . . 6
bfaierity . . • '•4O
WYNN. on our re-adntiadea into the gaiety, was
dosed eztessien to Basseabw, as calculaird to alter
eo of that Hesse. by.sivitug the votes an fcealsolders,
t in the towns.
WIS had sever meant to annelid that in so ease
a be transfer ; int had only kneaded to centead that
wao sat calied-farin this case.

set esplalord.
CI NTOSH did net consider that meek would be
lidmisture of votes ef freeholders with rate-payers.—
log by address te.the Crew was as conformable to
piaci& as by MU; indeed it might be
Mogan to the sadist practice. lt .1018761.:eid
17the
!seisms light. • Be thought *weal be a goad come
Is the case of a delimpanst beeengh, te reoeirethe
me another plate is which the franchke dmitild be
the impotence of the prelleedMg. whoever EOM be
would be the best eseadbly far the taierakfy
t of the duty.
sea WAITHISAW Ara* the asemare could net
Om The Milliners wings acting most imprudently
his question is peoferogoe tit the public bosioesa.,
magic prides, why übsilid the /Waters seam. it ?
sa party ppoldni it—pitey had Mippeered. If there
``like a party Was on gads ef the House, it was
inn a rape of sand: The imposition was against
of the ICAmptlustimi. There were no distinct Par.
prate, • The coasastaand hisoefacturiag lota
garb& stay together; iesdProadlY. Bit the foe-
bscroseed threefold. Ms memory new tows,
up, and Deli undies of
,rotsentitdon should be
1,4* i reformer, be hash' eankesion created, it
with to see the prisiot art, weeks cgi this question
4 which went to lower tse repotatiod of the Hiram
Ater of the Adminktratlem. He we'll rather see the
I M the bOesi market dui' give the reirei of decant
to the Hoek of Link. *hid. had ahigtyrpower
ere dims ow Modred hfettiben Into that tie. If
Mid stieemb, he weekd rather move amendment after
'Mims after omit*, and so weary out the Ministry,
"tiettita**..
T to aware the Renews*. Alderman that be
▪ dsit and of May 111M4ters; lay was as indeilendent of
Howarabli klesubce, bet be approved the HUI in its
,USSELL rase; nsereit far tise_porpose esidoloins
marsh* Member as had not beard the obeertadoes
le had prefaced his Motion, that his proposition only
edit the borohgh Of last Refold from teiktiog
anent, and that the question would rents* open of
)101-4thsee or the hundred of Bassetlaw. •
IV wen Irmo Mr: N. aims; so P. mrk .C.
ilaansti, and Mr. Bower, the Committee divided,
h'oi the dial, . • . . '4s "
11#111-St it' . •• • . ...AO* •
Nalar* , . • •
re-admissionTED_lJkilSON at
After 'the tete (Odd the Hon. Gentle•
mid be a waste-olio, time, if pot of that et
ittne, to submitany other motion. The only
* I have made tonight have been those of
lON% •of . the question, first' f all for three
a the ground that it was useless to proceed
1 which could not pass in the present Session.
that the prcieeediags of his Majesty's Minis-
this subject have been unfair (Hear), unjust:
politic (Hear). and grossly unconstitutional—
ms Ironethe Opposition Benches, re-echoed
eon the Ministerial side). Some Hon. Mete.
professed their confidence in the present Mi-
account sof the principles of Constitutional
y. hate professed ; but I do not entertain the
opt that they will pursue that line of conduct.
coasenencemeot of the Administration they
e a pretest of this question, in order that they
re a particular interest, in pdrsuance, 1 verily
' a bate and unprincipled compact—(Load
ogled with cries of reprobation from the Mi-
ksch's).
retail EEL—I rise to deny the false charges
e Administration—(Cheers.) It .is not true
are made a pretext of this Bill to secure any
.purpose. It is not the fact that we have acted
w to any base compact—(Cheers). The Hon.
dis misled by his feelings. His, proposition
rejected by the sense of this House fairly
i.he now attempts to compensate himself for
polonium by the use of language ..which is
justifi:d by the sloodoct of those whom he
ad which pia with no propriety. he. .assomed
ember of Allis Honse.—(Load cheering.)
FaNNISON—I can apace the Right Honrar-
ilattlitt Ott the sewtioseats I have just had the
dotilfer "YEW( delivered under any degree of
it... J c.n aPtllO hi* that they 00 my deli-
mitnents--(Cheirs.)-1 west admit that the
an Objeet 1 hitt kr moth at heart for the sake
esstry, gait be eittNitted with some disappoint-
• hit I CIO toy sag, that though 1-alt dig;
I fog iaitei Cliitjtogistrysit 11ses not produced
eof alteration in, oaf Aedpen. • Icifn appOsil
en. F'rie'
nd, aow.iitiing by' my side, with whom
oniersitioti within three minutes bet*, 1. rose
s thrranote, that 1 was under no influence of
do sap again Onie, Mae this tooesnlie io prose-
blab- Maiesty'stkivernmitot to seive a pnriicolar
fee I do knot" that is a Certain quarter there
cuLtr anxiety felt that this Bill may succeed,
,anxiety I ass we would not caist udleis there
an onderuanding—.(Cheers). I made no
Won to' Me Right Honourable Gallia:fon—

(Cheers from both sides). I spoke of his Majesty's Mi-
nisters as a body—(Cheers). The Right Honourable
Gentleman says, that I used some word that was un-
parliamentary. 1 deny that I did. I stand on my right,
to amigo his Majesty's Government in any terms that
are Pailiamentaky. and.l deny' that I used any term'
that were not so.,(tharirs). As to the conduct of the
Right Hon. Pentleman personally, I was almost the
only Member,, taking the view I did of this question,
who relieved him from the charge of giving a specific
pledge to vote with me-..(Hear). I say now I think he
never did pledge himsel in words to support my propo-
sition. I believe he was not committed in words, but I
think the tenor of his speech imposed a moral obligation,
and I had a right to drawlbat inference from it which
the House at terse drew—(Cries of " No, nol")—and
which the country also drew—(Loud cheers; and cries
of " No, no I will it• t adopt as my own the scut-
;tritons language which has found ittsway into the public
journals on this subject. I am disinclined to express any
such opinion 'on my own part. I do not adopt it ; but
I state it as the general impression of the country—
AlleneWedeheering, and. repeated cries of" No, no !")
In all the journals of the kingdom I have found it re-
gretted that the RightlionourableGentleman had taken
uch a course. On that account I thought the Right
Honourable Gentleman dealt with onjustly,.and 4 stated
bare repeatedly that I did not consider hint pledged to
take the same Course that others thong,* be was. &tote
I conclude, I must again repeat, that the seitisnents I
have uttered are the result of my dtlibdtalefeethig, and
no hasty effusion of tensper--(Cheats
Mr.- Secretary PEEL-4 admit that the Hon. Gen-
tleman has a perfect right to. apply to his Majesty's
`Government the terms 4. unconstitutional," 44 illegal;" or
other phrases of that kind; but I do say, that if he ay-
-pli A to my conduct,' either individually or as a Minister,
the epithet 44 base," I will not resign the privilege I pos.
-: s; as a Member of this House, to meet a charge of this
'nature with an indignant refutation, and in terms at least
as strong as those in which it is couched—(Cheers). The
Plon.Gentlernan has again repeated his statement that the
conduct Of his Majesty s Governnient has been influenced
is to this question by a disposition to conciliate souse
particular interest. I can only meet a general charge by a
general denial. I do state, on my honour as a fkode-
min, that neither directly, nor indirectly, in the re-
motest degree, have I had any communication whatever
"with any person possessing any interest in this question.
I therefore deny that my conduct has been influenced
with a view to conciliate any party: Tharie Claimed the.
privilege of giving my. vote onthis particular question
unfettered by any condition, expressed or implied,.
actual or inOrol—(Chew's.)—l never given vote or opi-
nion upon it except from my conviction of its-expe-
dimey, from the earliest:period of. the debates upon it.
The circumstances under which I submitted it to the con,
Oideration of his Majesty's Government, and made
kiai it had heel Called, a dovernment Otani*. vial
re that if I did snake it so, it was from a desire to
net with pesfect fairness ; and therefore. being the organ
of Government in this House, before I ticks particular-
courie ns to the twobotoughs. I wished ttaigersaii, if
I*dtd 'fike it, is theOrgin of Governmest,,Wltiediiir My
colleagues in the House of Lords would feettliereisaves
hound to. take,the Muse course, except as retarded tbeit
duties of a judicial nature. When the Hon. Gendeenan
applies-the terra" baseness" to my 'conduct, I.saY he
uses an eapression that Conveys an imputation on my
motives which-is.-utterly unjust—(Cheers). It is a sort
of phrase, half personal, and half unparliamentary, but
utterly. unviarranted ... by the usage of the House, and
by the real theitiiei ind co:id= of his Majesty's Go.
vensosest!•4l.oll4 tbeeting)- .
Mr. STANLEY..-It is extremely to be regretted by
all those who look impartially on this question, which,
4tOuib in itself of no grist importance, yet involves a
great Consstitutional pOintit is, I say, much to be la-
mented; tint from .: the beginning to the end this
question has. been asede the. -vehicle of pony feeling
nu both sides of the House---(Cheers). This is not the
way in which Ihope in future the Haute will look at
the question. I mast say that on the present occasion,
both My Honourable Ft iend.deir •rire (Mr. Tennison),
end the Bight Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr.
,Peel), have, without sufficient necessity; deviated into
somewhat too sitting and unwarrantable 4/444.8;
and perhaps of a personal nature:— I:regiet 'that
etpreisions have bons used by' n.iy-ffeil:.Frisnd .Mich
have led to the answers of the Right floitAieW eetien
opposite. Bet I most sn that the Right'llOn.-Geinle.
man has taken thole expressions in a sense into. Which
it required ei(traOrdinary force to twist them—(Cheers,
and cries of " Ne, no !")lekensed. to Me that the fight
Hon. Gentleman indulged in a greet deal-of .trigf uir:'
necessary indignation—A:, No , ndr)--as my Hon.
'Friend, 1 think, liliely. exceeded the limits of Piielin.
snentary usage—(Cheers and murmurs)., I' atts id-ikons
that this discussion, having assailed • sornethingonore
than, usual of a personal! shape. should as.sooa es pos-
sible be closed; and I-.belieee I express. the; opinion of
eirery" Member of the House(Cheers). • :Int..vegarti
to Otte or
.tvio obseivationi that have Mien from
Honourable Membenrin: he course of the debate,
I must • Say. that' a' very -nrattlial.ctiiiiic has lately I,
taken. place ist• his
,Majesty's Government. With the
grounds or motives of thitchatige I hate nothing to do.
I will not say that prey' iblos• to the changes
.I - had any
confidence in the conitiintion of the Government; but'
I must say; that since the clisictes, lOoking only at the
PersPoi wbotaei.temait;edk owl' at those who have
gone oat of office, there has been a diminution of the
small hope I had that liberal and tonstitutional measures
would proceed from this Administration. Still. I do -not
profess any positive and determined systematic opposi-
tion to the present Government. Lam ready to look at
their acts as I did at those of the lest Government, with.
candour; and if their conduct be such as 1 can fairly
and constitutionally approve, I shall be thetliestutasM
offer any factious resistance to their measures. But
I must say, that my hopes are greatly diminished by
the secession to which I allude; and if any thing could
diminish them farther, it would be'the language used
night after' night, more strongly by particular parties,
within these walls. When the question of Free Trade
wits lately before the House, the Right Hon. Gentleman
*the Vice-President of the Board of Trade professed that
his mind vng like a sheet of blank paper, and stated
that the conaderation of Government would be directed
to that momentous question during the recess, as if no-
thing-we: yet settled respecting it. I hear also Gentle-
Men Seilenlarly. connected with the Landed Interest
haying,' II Now.is the time for us to look to our rights,
'and Wilt* promo of -our individual and particular
interests." Why is this? Because they say, " we hope at
last we have a GoV*lment to which we can lookawith
icontidenee to support our interests as agricoinrisas
ageinit the commercial and manufeeoring interests=
i--(Cheers, and cties Oil
"So
• no ''). Ilbopv lAW bill
;manakin in my exissoliages, bat Iconfess the WNW
;I hear is extremely and fairly gives ground
ifor :uprising that the , ' of men. will .lead es
sEO6
'some corresponding ;ft gli. spirit and aseashres
df covernmem.,,ichwo. r do act wish to enter into'
', question be*, lie COOSIDA* ; for I conceived that

from the repeated discussions that have taken pTacst'
upon it, it was useless and idle to. agitate it agsibJp
the coarse of, the present Session. I do not know
whether it is possible to pass it or not; but I can
see no use; in the present state of the House,. in,
offering any further opposition to its: progress,
though my opinion of it is completely unaltered
But• I wish distinctly to recall to the memory of the
Right Honourable Gentleman, and of the public, the
principle which he professes and adheres to; and I do
rely on his pledge, that on any future occasion he will
not vote far giving a preponderating influence to any
particular interest. Ido expect that he will not act on
the fixed principle of promoting the interest of agricul-
tore at the expense of the manufacituring and commer-
cial interests. s In this case, he would have given one
seat to each of these interests ; and I do trust, that if
any future borough should be found guilty of cor-
ruption, he will remember that the last forfeited bo-
rough, and not the last one only, was_ given to the
agricultural interest. In all equity, therefore, and in fur-
therance •of his own principle, on the. hext oecaiiori
some great manufacturing town is entitled to claim its
share of the Representation. I wish the Right Hon.
Gentleman would distinctly avow that it was -not his
, intention-to give over and over again borough after
borough to the agricultural interest. It would be most
-iewportant to be assured, in the course of our debates.
that the Bill we might pass here would, by the influence
of Government, be carried through another place ; for
it is a mere fallacy to say that we should give one
Borough to each interest, when we know that one Bill
will be elsewhere adopted and the other rejected—,
—4Clieer). If, therefore, any future cased delinquency
should be. proved against any borough, the tbwas cf
Manchester or Birmingtim will have a fair claim on
the Right Hon. Gentleman, on his own principle, to be
introduced to a share in the Legislature of the country:

Mr. Secretary PEEL—I will presently notice what
has last fallen from the Hon. Gentleman. With respect
to what he said at first, I must say I am the last man
who would set an example of using language such as I
never did before use in my life ; bet when language of
such a character is used tunic, I will exercise the pri-
vilege I possess, and repel it—(Cheers). When any
Honourable Gentleman trenches aft the license of this
House, and abases the liberty which belongs to every
Member sof right to atsacirAleiroonduct of the respon-
sible advisees of the Crows t will resent it, if I am per-
sonally conwaed. .Lfiod,this difficulty in answering
the Honotniik gentlematfs questions. that four hours
before he roe& liiiippearance in the House, I had an
opportunity at . the commencement of this debate to
state explicitly the amuse I should pursue. I do assure
the House, what I have stated before, that if the
choice had be made foe the transfer of the fr4P-
ehise of East; ittard to some manufacturing town,
:#
alld if the freft Irise ofPeiryn bad been thrown into the
county, and if, tlin Lorcls had not dealt with Pencyn as
they 'have,- and returned the franchise to that barmier,
I should have sited in that ease preeilely on die
principle of its being a' single borough, and I should
have given My vote' en favour of continuing the transfer
of the franchise to a great 'town., In the situates.
in which I was placed by thepledge I gave. under the.
i-onajtk impression that we should 'have two. borouebs
to deal with, if the Loida hid rtahsferred the framchh
in either case to thellundred, I should have felt bound
to consider that et'givien to agrieultirre_ ; aid, feeling
no peculiar obligation to attend t the interest of Eat
Reif:3rd. I:would have redeembd my pledge. and sup-
ported the •tran-tr. of the franchise of that borough
to any great town. I really cannot say more than
'this. In replying - to the question as to the course
I, shall partite -respecting the next borough that may
be disfranchised, I mint ...remark that 1 can give tams
positive answer, .ussleit vre. a'ssume 'that' the privi.
lege is wholly I(One bt.its*general abuse .that tee
worth* of corrupt ' voters is so cousidefeigai Oa; vl
must 'punish 'the' randrity by absolute disfranchise-
ment. I still adhere to the principle A professed,
when I thought we had two franehises to deal With. I
do not feel, lowa, any objection to the otAilisidnal trans=
fer of the elective. tight to a great t0i144-(Cheersi--'
and it. have roved so, by voting for the ttinster-aif
the franehise of Penryn to Manchester. By that
vote I conceded the' principle of the transfer occa-
sionally to greit towns. But, really, as to the dis-
franchisement of the nest borough. whichever it max
he, without knowing all the ciscumstanCes.. of thecae,
I find it difficult • tei state beforehand what 'my course
taught be. I can only suite the principle on whicbr I
would have acted if the Lords had transferratbe Irak-
ibis, from the t4orough of .Pritityn, to the Hunches*,
So little objection have I to adroit great. towns to a
share in the'representatien. that I would this night have
voted for the transfer of the franchise of East Itetford
to Manchester —(s.leer ti.
Mr. TENNISON—I hope that the • Right Hon.
Gentleman has not the least doubt that I could not for
one moment have intended to apply to hint personally,
what I said of him only in.his ministerial capacity. No
man, I trust, is more unlikely than myself to apply
such expressions to any Gentleman individually, a's'l
did_to the Government as a collective body—(Hear,
hear). ' I' acknowledge that the term " base " was a
strong expression. ' Bat I -do still think that his.
Majesty's Govesament. *ere influenced in the manner
'stated by the Member fur Knaresborough, as that io
which men -is bodies do improper acts, which, as in-
dividuals they would be ashamed ot—(Cheers). No
individual, I am musks, would have taken the course
followed lii his blijesty's Government in this case—
(Cheers). .1 hops I shall be • acquitted by the Right
Hon. °estimate or any intention to offend him per.
risteally, as I can assure bias I should be the last. person
is this House who would do so. - • ,
Mr. Sectittery PE!L—I can inform the Hoti. Gen-
tleman, that thaee utter!! forgotten everything. that
has passed between us.—(very loud and general climes
.
from both, sides of the tiouse)..
Lord JailN RUSSELL—I am. exceedingly gratis.
fled at the dose of this dispute—(Reiterated cheers). I.
rise to eddies. own; to ,one, ;Nita .that. has been stated
by my Honourable Friend (Mr. Stanley). He says that,
if this Bill passes hate a law, the natural consenuenceof
the general principle laid down by the
.Right Hon.
Gentlemeo. will be, that in the next case of this kind he
will give his vote for the transfer of the franchise to
some peat town; and the ;Right Honourable Gentk-
men answers this by saying, that as be does not. know
4lsat may be the interior the particular case—what
osessertiou the corrupt voters may bear to *the whole
arsisber—bareannot • therefore state before head ashat
mime be shell. pursue.. I wish to know if a case like that
IdiSAA Raiford should arise, where the Right 1100011f*.'
iillS.Gil tleman will feel no di sty .ie voting for the
illiefemiehisemestof .the borousb; will he then vote for
Husilikning the Zeptesentatioa to some great town? As
ft As understood shat are than, take. no. more trouble
4eutsbis Bill weight, I wish. ,to ask the:Right Hon.
iergelkana wbethero 40dd another ease of the pme
ea that of.Easo go 4 'rife; six Maths heoce--a
41( absolute diatenchitement—rh, TM vole (OF Allf

tiansfer of the elective tights to somegre'srtturtufac-
boring or commercial town ?
Mr. Secretary Natant Sit CHARM Bearous rose togetbsie.
Th. eau 44 the SNIP was kiudlyand earnettli.fcir Atei.l!'se!..)tiftY,
ha resented tis,sist. • •••• •. •. • '... • :. •; ~
Sir CHARLES 134ORRgrt,itsiiU 10tr.00.f..,
" Chair" and 4. Older.".stated that_ he rose to a point lki•
order, and not with the view of making a speethl'buk,
he thought that no Member. orthat House had a VVLE,
to call upon. any responsible Minister of the. Crown to
pledge himself as to any future measure—(Chierd 'and'.
. •
cries of "Order r) He hoped, therefore, the Right
Honourable Gentleman would not declare-his intention.
for this simple reason.-that he might oilsenike• so.;
pledge himself that—(Loud cries of 6, Order" Milo WV
parts of the House compelled the Hon: B sronet In eeissif:'
.. Lord JOHN RUSSELL—The Honourable Bireatit '
. ..
h certainly Out of order; for the-line of policy it tatty.
become a Minister to follow can have no connection!
with the orders of this• House. It may be wtong that
~
the Right Hon. Gentleman should answer my qttession.:.
but the HMI. Elsrcidet has no right to interrupt me on.
the point of Order.
Mr. Secretary PEEL—I can only answer the Noble
Lord's question by supposing a definite case. If we
bad the case of Grampound to deal with, I should'
have no objection to transfer the franchise to a populous .
town—(Cheers from both side,) .In the instance of
Penryn, which was also
.the. care of a borough in Corn-
wall, I rested my williagness to transfer the franchise to,.
the town of Manchester, on the ground of the great
nutiable. r of representatives Cornwall elects.. - 'The&ci-
ao i in each crass depends on a variety of contingencies ; •
but if a case of • the same nature occurred, my 'pledge'
should be redeemed:. but I feel that it is inconsistent ,
with-my duty, and above all, when it involves judicial
considerations, that 1 should make any pledge befort‘,
hand as to the forfeiture of the privileges' belonging 'to,
any individual or Corporation.—(Cheers). • .-. i •
Mr. LITTLETON—I should like to ask my itAght
Honourable Friend whether, supposing there Was II ease:
only as strong as that of Penembe.vrottld vote for the •
transfer of the franchise tot. itteat toasts like Birmiur '
ham or Manchester—(Cheer4)?.
Mr. • Secretary -PEE t. n.l Akar think ray -litter.
Friend has any right to queition me in this manner. k
is my duty, as a Minister of the ,Crown, not to bind
myself whenl May be-sitting best :.as.aludge, by spy
answer to questions now Erwposed to me. • When the
time :alive:, under any circumstancestl• will fulfil my
obligations, but I will not bind myself down beforehand'
tfi any conrse(Cbeers). ' . * • .
Mr. HUDSON GURNEY—The !answers - of. the
Right Ilati. Gentleman are, I do'think, she fairest that •
any man could give co the questions put to him. A
greit-Presuniption arises from the manner in which the •
questions are pressed, that there is some intention. ma
entrap him, for it is really much beyond what commou
decency or the forms of this House allovr;• -•, • , •••• • ' •
Mr. LOTT said he had only a few-words telsay s but
as.a:Memser ot• the House, he protested against.ony
Miniiter of this Crown—(Langliter)—iying himself*
doyen by any pledge. HOW was the Right Honourable
Gentleman sure that he might be in. his situation six'
moths to come?—(Laughtes). ; •
Sir FRANCIS BRAE s aid, that in his opinion the •
fight Honotirable Gentleman, as a Minister of the
'soon, ought to be left free and unfettered, so that be .
might, according to circumstances, be at liberty to
change,(Laugliter). • .
The Resolutions were then agreed to, the House resumed, and'
the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday neat.
ZANIC NOM (SCOTLLDID.AND IIirLAWID) BILL
Te' CHANCELLOR of, the EXCHEQUER molted • tbe;
third reading of die above Bd. ' ', • '
Mr. E. DA VENP(lltT.said, that he was determjned to give
firetßill every opposition.
' The CHANCELLOR of. the EXCHEQUER defended the •
provisions of the• Bill. •
. Sir JAId ES GRAHAM ,ronttnded in opposition to the Bill,
that the restriction of small notes was unjust, and that it was coat-
O•afy to the poliii df European Governments to intig fere with the I.
gurreuey of their neighbours. Bank notes should be left to circu-
late reedy, atd find the same protection as property of every other •
' description.
I Mr. Secretary PEEL 'compliinented the Hon.
_Baronet upon-.
}is knowledge of the subject, bin he could not admit that restriction
ea Scotch Promissory mites was unusual. i'ne Right Hom. Gen.
derma read the provisions of an old Act of Parliament, in which
the mine resurktitio'as the Bill contained was resotted to.
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• Mr. H: GURNEY supported the Bill.
• blr. IL DOUGLAS opposed it: . • - - •
. Mr. ATTWOOD was satisfied that this Important subject was
not generally understood. The Bill, if carried into effect, would •
produce mane evils whiCh were not foreseen& • ' •-• • - •
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Mr. WA RIIIIRTON•coul4 not entertainany of the apprtben.4
lions of the Hgnourakle Gentleman who preceded him. .
The 'SOLICITOR-GENERAL nisi to reality/ tronitbri.nloire
at in Hossourable:Alisether, who spoke, last but oat,Atrulna which,,
had. Nom, stated, to exist on the words. " pubboting mess." • 'lli
Hanoi's-able 'Grlemariliati said, it any wie shimmied a Bodeell•Noiss'•
over the Border-is England, it would bins UlthlßSoolleitlikih
sitsx
fur publishing notes. -The word 0 ••g" in she HiU mega
transferring notes by indorsement. t was a circulation of noses
in the common and ordinary wayaa urgocintion.otootes. .. • 1
Sir J. GRAHAM asked, whether it was the intermit:ln of thi
framers of this Bill to make a person'. in' England receiving a
chests* from Scotland liable to i pessahy of 900, ~ , • • ,
The SOLICITOR•VNERAL did not see any provision in
the Bill having that rife& •
• bin G 4 LAMB snid.it appeared to him, that. no dear and deb.. •
site meaning could be collected from the word " puhlishing," as it
stood in the Bill, and he therefore thought it would be better to •
leave out the word.
The House then divided on the third reading.... . . •
: Ayes . . • • . 59
• Noes . . • . 13 . •
, Majority . . . —46 ,
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moVed.to
bring up the following clause :—" That it shall be lawful for the
Lord High Treasurer, or Lords Commissioners df the Treasury,
or any three or more of them, to reduce or mitigate any penalty
tinder the Act, as to them may seem proper."
Sir J. GRAHAM said no such clause had been introduced to •
any other Act, and he therefore objected to the power given to the
Treasury. • • • . •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the clause • ,
was not an uncommon one. • ' .
After a,few words from Mr. Dawsmr, the clause was brought
up, read a first and second time, and added to the Bill by way of.
voter.—The Bill was then passed. . • .
• The Stamp Duties BiU was read a third time and passed. •
Sir A. GRANT briinght up the Report on the Hotel-keepers'
Bill, which was received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third
time on Monday next..
SAVING. fahlre BILL. - •
' Mr. DAWSON moved the second reading of the Savings Banks'
Bill
• Mr.. Paithilt and Mr. Host were anxious that the Bill should'
not be hurried through the House,
The CHANCELLOR of •the . EXCHEQUER said thes.the
most -convenient course would be to take the discussion, which
'might of consent be full, on the going hue Committee.
After a few remarks from Mr. Wassuayou, Mr. PALUItalt,
Lard STBPILZT, Mr. Bairn, and Mr. J. Wool), the Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed for Moodily float.
CM'S AltDllolo/101111 POLLII BILL. , . .
• .- Lord LOWTHER moved the third reading of the Otimand
Boroughs Polls Bill. He did so in miesequence of the absence .of .
the Hon. Member for Worcester, Colonel Males. - - • 'a . ' .
Colonel SIBTHORP opposed, the Bill. It had not one fe;
oommendation, and he therefore
.Moved that ii,ho. read a tbitd .
time that day three Meotlw. • ~ . • ,
_l,A:ter a few rensarks,from . Mr. and Mr. F. Laws', the
Muse divided, •
when theta •
For the Third Reading 'it:. . ~ . 43
Against-k .. . , ~., .: ..: • . . 6 ~
' . Majority • . „. •.• . . - —37
The HUI was therefore rand a third ellnwand passed. • t
• ' . aux dr to MU"
House reeelyet itself into a Cologne, on the Sale'or 'earn,
.1111/111r. F.. Lewis in the Chair. • ,
, ' Vend douses *tee gone through, and after a Proitaitesi.din.

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