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eniered iota Victim it the Baia the rule Wpthat when a'
question was pit tsr a wilsess,. thh MOW So Whlch min
nose that. vitro, 1 e. Judge pet the -witness on
Mei his gaud;
brat nude nasally ars preictke had beet where% it
"if mod to.olloar a Ink-UT* galtklgt to be lip, bay-
ins -.it to-the witness to detersaine for .hidaself wi (MP AA
should *Awes it OrMst.- 4t :the same than if wiedqvislitta•
settled rust of fracdee, that if a witness was asked
mean td fix do Idilt the get Of saw offessee; sad it' he
swered by a denial, it was not alterviardi esinpetent to prove
by. other witnesses that be was Spiky .By aPneditni so'
witness's own emunsony, the right to mom to any' other
testimony was fee ever sad completely abandrined, • The only
diEculty, thaefore, whiel ransomed in the `prisent • Mae,
was, to dotemlitahVandser the vaudoise put to lb. Medi AR
to her sittigisg Om; siessesarily involved the Intl OM
impure Mond:doe If they did, dam,* his
don, the-question proposed by his Noble and Leaded* 191%edlit
(Lord Erskine), could not be put.
Lord LIVERPOOL said, that it was possible to reconcile
the evidence et' De Mont and that of r.. Craven's servant,
She had sword that no doe hod slept with her. Now that was
quite possible, for a- poem might hare hod crisninal intercourse
with her without. having slept with her. [A langli which continued
for some time.] .
Some observalions were made by Lords Revaluate, Ea-
mum, and LAVDSZOALZ but it was impossible to hear theca
in consequence of the Mirth etched by Lord Livzsvooes last
words.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it was evident that a
question had been put to De Mont, for the purpose of ascer-
taining whether she had lived an immoral Me. Ne witness
could be called to contradict the denial she bad given. He hoped
the Counsel for the Defence would not permit an aninier to be
given to any diipated question until the sea of the House was
taken upon it.
i. The wain nation moral*. Minima.
Lord thgk XNE---Where *Uri* Alhilnis the Queens
house it Naples?-1n the room neat to the °arable Keppel
Craven's.

Every night you were there?—Yes, the three nights.
The *bole of the nights?—Yes, after I went to bed. I
went to bed at -twelve o'clock.
And you never went to any other bed from your own during
the night?—No.
After these three nights yon went to lodgings ?—Yes.
r Did you, ewer since you went to your lodgings, sleep in the
house you ;eft ?—I never slept in the Queen's house afterwards.
When I first entered into the service of Mr. Keppel Craven, it
was at Brandenburgia-house, about six years ago. I spoke
little French at the time, as much as to make myself under-
stood. I was at Pesaro fifteen months ago. Bergami and
Austin came to the lodgings of Mr. Craven. L &hewed Bergator
into the room mywlf. -He spoke to me whesi he was coming
up stairi, and.preseed my hand. After having gone front' the
house in which I first was, I frequently have been in De Mont's
bed-room. I did not see anybody there but Annette, 'that I
recollect.—Witness was ordered to'withdraw.
The Judges having returned,
The Loan Cuter JUSTICE rose and stated, that the opinion of
hint and his Learned Brothers upon the question submitted to
them was in the negative. If the power of examining evidence.
of the nature alluded to was allowed, the person whose testi-
mony it was meant to affect would be deprived of the most im-
portant opportunity of saving himself. In the Courts below, it
would be permitted to the Counsel rather to call back an evi-
dence, and so far break in upon the ordinary rules, than to vio-
late so important a privilege—(Hear).
tter a few words from Loid klot.t.iore, the LORD CHARCIL•
me, and Lose LITORPOOL.
• Mitjoicbi ens called in. •
There was a general bun in the House when this celebrated
character appeared, and the strangers below the Bar pressed for-
eiard to see him.
Ex:wined by Mr. Beouottass.
Do you recollect, et the Ruccanelli, having seen William Cato
tierce, the servant of Sir William Gell?s—Questo rue toi
I—(Lougliger 'gene and below the jar).
Do you recollect having seen Sir William Gell's English
servant near Monte anywhere?—" Querns Nox ut LICORDO 1"
Lk a low sigh,--General laughter in the House.)
Do you remember having seen Sir William Gell's servant
-hPre?—l have seen him, I think, at Rome, but not at

Didiyou ever tell bier thaThaasrOnipteli:haff emphswjed,
any octet to get the keys of the Princess at Como, in order to get
Others made?—Qouro son.
Did lot ever tell that servant any thing to that effect 1-1
never have spoken of this. • •
Did you ever tell hint that a person who had been emloy_ed
for the aforesaid purpose by Oilseeds, had confessed to the: Po.
lice such employment, and been discharged in censemmoce ?
I nevet had any such conversation.
Did you ever tell him that if the Princess had not ordered her
servantiito take no notice of the conduct of Ompteda, you your-
self would have killed him like a dog ?—I never said any such
thing. These things are quite new, to -me.
Did you ever speak to him of the villainy and ingratianle of
Ompteda, after baring so long eaten and drank in the. Princeses
house, and complain of his having brought suspicion on the per-.
vents No-Never.
Did you ever talk of Ompteda to the English servant of Sit
William Gell, by name?—Never.
Did you ever hold any conversation with Sir William Gell's
servant respecting the conduct of Ompteda ?—No, I never
spoke to him about it.
Pilliank Carrington called in, and his examination resumed
by Dr. basun:mow.
What did Majocchi say to you respecting Ompteda?—He
told the that Baron Ompteda, while on a visit to the Princess of
Wales, had employed the postilion and chambermaid to procure
the keys of her Royal Highness's room..
Did Majoechl tell you that Ompteda employed persons to get
the keys?—Yes, to procure the keys of the Princess's room at
Como, to get false ones made.
Did betell you that a person in the Princess's family bad been
so employed and discharged in consequence?—He did.
Did Majoechi say, if Ompteda had so applied to him, he
would have killed him like a dog?—Yes, he did.
Did he say Ompteda had made the servants suspected ?
He dal
Dials* frequently mention the name of Ompteda?—He
Crespesessined by the Amnesty-Gssmaz.. . .
I 'tad this conversation with Majocchi in the coach-yard of
"the Villa Buccanelli. No other person was present.' I came
thereaccideutally,not having any thing particular to do. It was.
1817, about as hoar before our setting out for Rome—
j was at art of two -days and one night.. / was
PAGlS.twouliffil. Majocchi went to Bonze the same day.
'Wlaha I hog IllosislOWastioo Majosold, .he ,was
das ftliOut• 11/1011. 01l die Pillautwri people ward atZag
m
ae not iwslinggenies. The subject was theta& of the
bow ot thatt Bliejocchl began the conversation by. saying
IA %Lei Too Am* 4 mbe affair of Ompteda?"l said I had
heard cans. to He then went over it. He had be-
hest momisond it is tins oil sass' hail, when eight or ten of the
livery servants wan prisenkbut I do not know the names of
pay except Francisco. lam not very positive that this was in
1817, but I believe it was. ' When the Princess was at the
Villa Grande, Sir William Gell did not sleep there, but at the
Hotel de l'Europe, about a nails sada half or two milesi distant.
Sir William Cell dined with the Princess almost every day, and
returned in the evening.
Re examined by Dr. Lemma:ow.
After I left Naples I saw the Princess of Wales twice at
Rome. I did not hear of Onspeede the first time: Had no con-
versation with the servants, and weever dined with them.
•• Jbassnausoinsey the Puss.
Xarvis of IHICKfNI/HAIL--Witness left the King's sea'
vice la 1811, .and entind Into that of Sir William Gell imam-
d iet* after. Understands Italian pretty well Had the ma-
Serietion With. liihjocchi in Italian, which witness undersold
perfectly well. • Majocchi said, that the servants of the-
were determimed, if they met Ompteda, to give .him a good
thrashing, aed kill them, if they could ; but that.Lieuteeant
Hevraant had forbid Min to hurt him. This *as all that hia-
joy* said about killing eajtoa. •
toed BLUM BOROUG.Witimoss stated that Ruccanelli
*MI: four Alm foam
—'t- The house of the Princess had"
*gm.' coma s_ the osartiard was in the middle of it.
;Hari of LILUDSRDALE.Witness saw Louis Berganti,
who was occupied Co living orders to the servants during tha
rte lei had the conversation with Majocchi: Had heard Ms-
imehiNiention the subject before. Witness dim not recollect a
--msoseauf the manse of Alesandro. beret ear one of that name
`" that he knew of, • • `. •

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F.,t2minate.n. if WILLIAIL•CIibiItiNOTON Cinaintai.
. 'AP ETL—a—Wittiess Itv.tit 'to Italy In VA ;_ haa ierved tout
rim %turd the libroa4 vorler,dre John licresk.rd. . . ,
17.4 4,1.11/11RP001[4:—..Viiresa.didr it.o; hrev: names
isfltbeeervants at Ruccanelli say.adtrie of them afterwards at .
eltjl/1111 Maack, •
"Adard dARRINGTON vridted to knoWtif the witness could '
rePilit'dla weds listd by Majocchi about killing Osnpteda, and
in' luilian?—Xes, I can.. '
• 'TIKti do so?—This is what he said, " Itaxito tir/to anu
tartarer. cite /of logyftsr hrf if viia doverilehe Zvi yr:rabic basitmart
tistrannia cornewo cane in stem a /a serada."
r The !buil appeared to: be generally oatisfied with this an.
souk; but the interpreter, the: Marchese Spiaetti. was asked to .
put a questlrs to the witness, in Italian: Tarts was done, anti
the witness translated it immediately. '
Ur. Joint Liens SicAin was next called, and examined by
Mr. BIONIIIA

Entered the service of htr Royal liighoess.aboat twenty-
one years ago.. Was appointed to her service by his *resent
Majesty. Was at first in the capacity of cook ; but in a
short time afterwards was promoted to be goitre if acted.
Went abroad with her Royal Highness in August, 1814. Re..
members, when at Milan, that het jitoyal Highness had oc-
casion for a courier. Sir William bell ordered witness to ,
hire as one, a person who was recommenied by the Marquis
de Gizelieghri. That person was Bergami. Had no com-
munication whatever with her. Majesty about hiring hint. •
Recollects, when at Naples, that the sleeping-room of, ifergami
was changed. A small cabinet was allotted to him. Wit.
ness made that arrangement himself, without any dire c4ion
from her Royal Highness. Had no previdus Communicatiod
with her on the subject. His reason was, that there was a •
glass door in the cabinet, which opened into the garden ; and be •
thought it right, for safety, that some male servant should sleep .
in it. During all the time he has lived in the service of her
Royal Highness the Princess of Wales; her manner towards
bet servants was uncenntionly kind, almost to a fault. This . i
manner was not peculiar to any: of the servants, but tout .
anon to them all. Witness has walked many times Wilk her • .
Royal Highness by her command; in the pleasure-grounds
at Blackheath very'oken. Her Royal Higness WOuld talk very
condescendingly to him, and on steps,or.on rising ground, would
take the assistance of his arm.
Crosocanotioad by the Sor.senros-GzsmaAt.
The amount of my salary from the Princess of Wales was
'COO a-year, which I had at her Majesty's pleasure entirely.
Did you leave her Royal Highness at Naples ?—No, she left
me—(A laseek).—l went from thence to Genoa by sea; and
from thence I came to England. I did not go to her loyal
Highness again until I went to bring her information of the
death of the late King. I remember stopping at the country-horse
previous to our arrival at Naples. I cannot tell whether on that
night William Austin slept in the room of her Royal Highner.
I had not made arrangements for the apartments of the suit/
there. At Naples there were several doors of communication
with the passage leading to her Royal Highness's apartment.
At the end of the passage there was not, to my recollection, a
small cabinet. The doors of the rooms of Doctor Holland,
Hieronimus, William Austin, and others of the suite, led into
the passage. Bergami breakfasted in the steward's room.
Will you swear that Bergami breakfasted in that room?
—Mostly with us in that room, with the upper servants. He
used to go down to the coffee-morn to get meat, for he did not
like tea. At the ball at Naples I think the second dress her
Royal Highness had on was a Turkish dressthe first was that
of a peasant. Several persons called at Naples, after her Royal
Highness =RA there, upon her.
' Can you tell-whether on the first day of her arrival at Naples
persons who called were kept waiting by her Royal Highness ?
—I cannot. I did not Wait at the drawing-room. I was not
the page.
Do you not recollect going in quest of her Royal Mei-
nen, because persons were waiting for her appearance t
It might be so, things of the kind have happened in this cowl
try more than once; but I have no recollection whether it took
place qr not. Bergami, at Naples, attended as a page in waiting,
and shared that duty with Ilieronimui. lie was a courier on
the road.
You sraike of her Royal Highness having taken your atm,
was it in cumquats* ore hesitation, nr false step I----Yes
Yob did sot mean, to insinuate anything else by that ?—No.:
feablione(saimahl, Mn pepsins war granted by her Royal
Ilighneis to nit: ItWas Merely a continuance of my salary.
I had i left* from bet 'royal Highoess to Carliruhe. I did not'
bring any:witnesses ret Asis country. I never knew Berland
n gin
before I saw him at, When I went to communicate the
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tidings of the death . gto her Royal Highness, silo was
at Leghorn._ _ -
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- -.us, Re-ezantined.
I took the, keser.:4m.lllr. Leman, at Carlin:ie. .It was di-
rected to the Greg Chamberlain. It had her Majesty's seal
upon it.

Szenositied by the Lords.
Lord ELLEN BOROU GH.—When Be rgami Was taken into -
her -Royal Highness's service, did you make any Inquiry as to his
cbaracter?—None. He was introduced be a Marquis; whose
recommendation was thought sufficient. -
Did •1011 observe that his behaviour was superior to that of
'most Couriers P—He was, in my opinion. He behaied very •
properly. He was not quite so chatty as Italians generally ate ;
and I believe he behaved very properly.
Was his not bei3g so chatty the only reason you had foe think,
ing him superior to most cburkri, or was bis behaviour gentle-
manly ?--llis behivioar was not pardcularly gentlemanly. He
behaved well; but 'I am not in the habit of knowing couriers. •
• Didou consider him too mach of 'a gentleman to act as a
courier—He never shaved himself. He never. refused to do
anything he was told to do—(A laugh). '
Did yon consider hii manners more those of a gentleman
than of a courier ?-•-•They might be rather the manners of a

gentleman of the lower. sort.
Where did William Austin sleep during the journey to Na-
ples?--4n her 114a1 Highness's room. As far ai I reCollect he
slept there on the way to Naples;bui at Naples I believe an al-
teradon took plate:
• Tha.witness.was then examined by Lords boxotronsroae and
ciescisas-i.:Witness stated that none of Bergand'S landiy Were
in the service of the Queen when he went to Naplel.'. Witness
Mred LiergaMi hale* de chandne and courier, and left him in
that capacity. • The spirtmehts of the Queen, while at Napless,. -
-ware near those of witness. A large passage or . collider sepa-
rated them ' - • 4:
. To a question from Lord ORANTHAM; witness stated tbu
William Austin had usually slept in the roan of the Queen
previous to her gang to Naples. Soon aft* their arrivartherir
her Masesorr said biwaa too aid, and must ha* a. seismal,'
apartment. • . •
• Itegi of DARitIROTON-Distyou erect see any haproper
fandligity on the part of the Queen towardi Selland W,-Ifitier,
never; lam positive I never did: •
Witnepifurthet stated that he Was the bearer et the dispatch •
to borMojestt sanossacing the death of our late Sovereign.
He was sent by her Majesty's legal advisers; no dispatch, ;D-
-amming the event was pent by Ministers.
• While the Queen resided at Naples did' the ever breakfast
alone with Bergami?—Never, never.
if she had dime as would you haste knoWn it.?.-4 will woe
say positively that it never did happen, but I believe la near
did: •
To questions from:the Lords Rnonsvoss, Ihminneasi, aid
Lamiaanata, witness stated, that he reconemsd the
cess going to the Opera at Naples on the seemed night atinr
arrival, but. did not know at what time she *returned:—
Never saw Bergazni until he was recommended*, him by the
Marquis Oubiglied. Did.atot know •Whetisei he Was a marsied
man at the dine or not: Witness had leave of her Majesty' to
return to England, but was ordered to hold Maisel( in readiness
to join her: _ • . . .
The &rid HARROWBY asked a number of unimportant
questions respecting the position of the rooms at Naples.
Mr. Bacarnsunn objected to one. • question, which assumed a
fact not stated by the witness. The question was not pressed.
The Marquis of DOMINOS/AI and:Lerd Cssrsoara neat era-
mined the witness, who stated, that- a person, .to go *from the
Queen's room while at'!lkples, to that el Beegansi, must pass
the doors of tgerooms of Ut. Hou.axe, and other persons. Thu
Beriami's manneri were far superior tb Those 4 tine same class
of servants:
Mr. Bicoonaan wished the Lord CH/414MA* to 'esk
witness if there were any doors in the pdslii_ngesage lending
from the room of the Princess and that le tiergano_ yes
rhere were two.
The examination of this Witness wasas=ed until a quz.,-
ter-past four o'clock, when the House
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