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say, that it was their-
corruption which was such that
they feared the introductitin of ariy, measure of reform,
end were determined to oppose it.
Sir JOHN ANSTRUTHER. could not avoid ob-
serving-that the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last (Mr.
Curwen) had, through the whole course of his speech,
treated this Bill as a Bill for ParliaMentary Reform,
instead of a Bill applying to the particular laws re-
specting bribery. If.the Hon. Gentleman had brought
it in as a bill of parliamentary reform, he should give
it that opposition which he always had given, and al-
ways should give, to any bills which proposed to alter
the present mode of representation in Parliament. As
to the charge, or rather threat, held out to them, that
if the House were to reject this and similar measures,
• they would lose the confidence and affection of the
.., people, he could only answer, that whatever the
House, in its sober jtaigment, after matute delibe-
ration, thought was proper to be done, that it was their
duty to do, without regarding whether it was pleasing
to the people or not. He thought the House should not
introduce into a legislation, a principle not only new,
but very dangerous. The law of evidence now, in all
trirninal cases, is, that no persons can be called upon
to disclose facts which would criminate themselves.—
This -principle so universally pervaded our law,
that he believed the Hon. Gentleman could not shew
en exception. (Mr. Wynne here said, the Statute
about Gaming.) It was true, the Statute about
Gaming, passed in 2d of Anne, did compel persons to
disclose such transactions in their answers to a bill
in equity; bat as it gave the Court no power to make
a decree upon such a disclosure, the statute had, in
Oct, never been acted on. Although a witness might
be indemnified from punishment, for such disclosure,i
yet what could indemnify him for the less of charac- ,
ter, which in some caseshis confession would expose him
to ? He also objected to this aew principle, because
he was convinced, •that it would hold out a great
temptation to perjury. In other cases where the only ,
witness is an informer, he comes into a Court of Jus-
tice with an odium attached to his character, which
*lakes his testimony not received so readily._ But
when a person was compelled by law to come into a
Court, and give evidence, all this odium was removed.
A single witness would therefore haye in this case a
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great power, either of convicting a person to whot.
such witness was hostile, or of acquitting any person
to whom he was friendly. If this principle was once
introduced, it would be impossible to say how far it
at be carried. Why might it not be as well ap-
plied to every other species of crime which is perpe-
trated by several persons in conspiracy ? He thought
upon the whole, that the 'Bill would rather tend to
promote perjury, than to prevent bribery.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT was not surprised that
those Gentlemen who at all times, and in all stages,
opposed reform, should be inimical to the present Bill.
It would be difficult, indeed, to bring forward any
i
species of reform which could meet their sup t. Ifr
a resolution was proposed, then they profes them-
selves averse to abstract declarations, and ailed for
some specific detailed plan. If, however, any specific
detailed meesnre, tending to reform the representa-
tion, was propesed, they would hardly discuss or
allow it to go into a Committee. Most of the objec-
tions which had been made were to clauses which
' would be discussed more properly in the Committee.'
Those who were inimical to all reforms, naturally'
wished to postpone every attempt of this nature.— 1
Those who had, opposed the Grenville Act when it
was before the House, yet atter it was passed pro.
fessed to admire it, and in answer to any proposed
improvement they would say, What, have we not
the'Grenville Act ? In the same manner those who
had opposed Mr. Curwen's bill, now appeared to
praise it, and said, cannot you wait seven years longer,l
• and try the effect of it ? If the principle of Mr. Cutel
*en's bill was not to be followed up, that bill (altered
its it was in that House) must have done more harm'
than good. It could have served no other purpose
but to blind the people with the supposition that some-
thing was doing for the cause of reform, when in fact
nothing had been done. He thought the bill ought
at least to be allowed to go into a Committee.
• Mr. MORRIS spoke against the bill.
Mr. W. WYNNE said a few words in reply, and
the House divided.—Ayes I7—Noes 64—Majotity
against the second reading 47.
The Militia Enlistment Bill was ordered to he con-
sidered toonorrow.
COMMITTEE OF -surree.—tßlSH ESTIMATES.
On the motion of Mr. FOSTER the House re-
solved itself into a Committee of Supply. The Right'
Hon. Gentleman stated, that, as the Resolutions he
was about to move were similar to those annually
proposed, he would not trouble the House with any
prefatory observations, He would, however, willingly
enter into any explanation which might be deemed
necessary. He then moved, " That the sum of
£25,000 be granted for defraying the expences of cri-
minal prosecutions in Ireland, from the sth January,
1811, to the sth January, 1812."
Sir JOHN NEWPORT expressed his opinion, that
instead of voting so large a sum in a lump, the dif-
ferent items of expense should be specified.
Mr. FOSTER stated, that no objection had been
made to the grant of last year.
Mr. W. POLE observed, that, after defraying the
expences of last year, there remained a surplus of
£2875.
Sir...l. NEWPORT was surprized that n resolution
for 125,000 should be moved, when, according to
this statement, little more than £22,000 had been
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found sufficient last year.
Mr. W. POLE was surprised at any person at all
acqltainted with affairs making such an objection.
The Hun. Baronet must be perfectly aware of the
uncertainty of the expense likely to be incurred by
Criminal prowitions, spec%) commissions, &c. which
rendered it'essary that they should come to Par.
hanient for such a sum as they thought would cover
the expenditure.
After a few words from *Sir .1. Newport, Mr. Pole,
and Mr. May, the resolution was agreed to.
Mr. FOSTER then moved the following Resolu.
Lions, which were severally agreed to :
That the sum of XISGO be granted for defraying the ex.
pens* oi• printing and binding See copies of the pelik Acts of
the last. Session of l'arliament.
That the sum of £2500 be granted for defraying the expen-
ses of apprehending offenders in Ireland, for one year.
'millet tits own of bp granted for completing the
sum necessary for the relief of Nonconforming Ministers *
Ireland.
That the sum of 41.047. .10s. ad. be granted for defraying
the ggiouhso /iterating the liapbew d 41.04,fre sw year.
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for a

11. wThat the saps of ictu,ooo be ranted for &fel
( lenses of repslring churches and glebe-houses in I __.
like period.
" that the sum of £9,781 be granted for the support of Sect-
ling Ministers in Ireland, for a similar time.
" That the sum of £4,000 be granted to defray the incidental
erpences of the Treasury, for the same period?!
Mr. FOSTER stated, that there was an increase
of £5OO under this bead, which was caused by the
Clerks at the ' Treasury having been employed in 1
'making up accounts to be laid before the House.—
, This was not a part of their customary business—it-
had been formerly executed by the Clerks of the Irish
Parliament ; and, of course, eau*. who were now em-
ployed must be rennin-rated.
Sir J. NEWPORT• was of opinion, that if the
Clerks in the Treasury received a regular salary from'
the country, their time became public property—no
paper in what branch of the public service they. were'
employed, and they had no fair claim to any further
recompence.
- Mr. FOSTER stated, that the Irish Parliament for
forty years had remunerated those who prepared the;
public accounts. The Resolution was then agreed to.
The sum of £740 was next voted for clothing the
Battle-Axe Guards for one year.
1 Mr. FOSTER then moved, _
" That the sum of £10,500 be granted to defray the expence
of publishing Proclamations, &c. in the Dublin Gazette mil
other Newspapers in Ireland, for one year."
Mr. PARNELL said, he always looked upon this
grant as intended to afford the Government of Ire.
land an opportunity of purchasing the support of a
certain portion of the public press in that country. ,
Mr. W. POLE stated, that the grant was for no
other purpose than to give publicity to the proclama-
tions and advertisements of the Government. To
attain that object, the grant had been generally found •
insufficient. if the Government had attempted to
Purchase the support of the Irish press, the Hon.
Gentleman, he was sure, must be convinced they had
failed in the attempt, when he recollected how rough.
ly they were handled by the Dublin Newspapers. ..,
After a short conversation between Messrs. Pauli
SONNY, FOSTER, Ansacitobliu, WYNNE, CURWEN, Hy&
CHINSON, BANKER, and GRATTAN, and Sirs J. New.
PORT and HENRY MONTGOMERY, the Resolution was
agreed to.
' That the sum of £35,447 be granted to defray the mama
of the Board of Works in Ireland for one year."
This Resolution was agieed to, after a convcrsatieuk
of considerable length between Mr. Bankes, Mt.
Pole (who entered into a defence of the conduct of t1"-
Board of Works), the Chancellor of the Exchequer. ,
Sir John Newport, and Mr. H. Thornton.
" That the sum of £43,391 Se. ad. be granted to defray the
expence of yrinting, stationary, &c. in the Office of the Secretary
for !relined, for one year."
After a few words from Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Fos-
ter, and Mr. Bankes, the resolution was agreed to.
" That the sum of A 21,600 be granted for the encouragement
of the linen manufacture in Ireland."
A short conversation took place between Sir John
Newport, Mr. Foster (who defended the Trustees of
the Linen manufacture in Ireland, against the cen-
sures contained in the Report of the Committee of
Public Expenditure), and Mr. Bankes, when the Re-
solution was agreed to.
The following sumiwere voted without observation:
" .C 2,87.0 for paying the Lottery Offices in Ireland.
" £1 3,947 for the support of the Protestant... Charter Schools.
" 1.:38,519 for the support of the Foundling Hospital in Dublin
" £48,584 for the support of the House of industry, near
}Dublin.
" Xi 5,254 for the support of the Hibernian Society fur educa-
ting the Children of Soldiers.
" £9,255 for the Hibernian Marine Society.
" £1,602 for thp Female Orphan House sear Dublin."
MAYNOOTH COLLEGE.
Mr. FOSTER moved the resolution for Maynooth
College, granting a sum not exceeding £8973 to that
seminary for the year ending sth January, 1812. On
the question being put,
Mr. HUTCHINSON rose, and said he could not
help expressing his astonishment to hear, after a series
of grants, each of which had been more or less en-
creased, the estimate for Maynooth College, even less
than the ordinary one* He knew, and the Minister
for Ireland he believed knew also, that that estimate
. in every respect fell short of the pecessities of the in-
stitution ; instead of lessening what was already too
small, it would have better become that Government
which had began by diminishing the original grant
of £3OOO a-year, to have suggested such an increase
as might have been of some use to an establishment
they have so much injured. He did not now wish
to repeat those arguments which had been so often
'and ineffectually urged against the infatuated preju-
dices with which the present Ministers look to every
Irish question ; but he would cite to them from
their own estimates, one or two facts which he must
leave to them to account for—of the sixteen Princi-
pals presiding in that seminary over 260 students,
the full salary amounted to £25 a year each.—(Hear,
luar.)—Thus the men who were entrusted with
' the education of those who were destined to preside
over the morals of the Irish people were severally al-
, lowed 16d. a-day for their support (Hear) • and this
too, whilein another estimate which they had just vu. 1
ted, it appeared that the mere day-labourers in the
Dublin Society House had an allowance of twelve.
shillings a-week each, while those who were to rear
the future pastors of the people were to starve on nine.
shillings and 4d. a-seek I This was in itself so bad,
so mean, so.pitiful, so indecent, that no mode of sta-
ting it could make it worse than it was (Hear, hear.)
IF Ministers wish to put down the Institution, why
not come to Parliament and say so openly, and not
Imake a parliamentary grant at once the pretence and
the means both of insult and of injury. They had
Ijust voted £40,000 for printing absolute Irish Procla-
mations. He called upon the Minister to get up in his
place, and say, wriy the principle, which was allowed
to have an operation in raising all the other grants,
(the rise in the price of provisions) should not be al.
lowed to have its effect in the increase of this estimate:
He assured the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer) that whatever encouraging
his solitary cry of Hear ! might have upon the elo-
quence of the Irish Chancellor of the Exchequer, it
would have none in satisfyhsg Ireland.
The- CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER.
said, that he was rather at a loss to understand what
was meant by his solitary Hear ! but as to the de.
mend which the Hon. Gentleman had made of hist,
that Gentleman was too well acquainted with hisiei-
timents upon Irish subjects (at least according to his
lawn 'hewing) to need any information from him (the
I chancellor of the Exchequer).
1 ' Mr. FOSTES said the CSU •
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sir JOHN NEWPORT Armed, thin the eiti.
thi,:rhate givn som
mate of year was 29,250, and said that he wonld deay. Wee
are hap d,iifiat from rece
olt"iliet
now move an amendment for enlarging the grant to accounts the Spanish in ' Journals, for which we can.
that amount, and take the sense of the Committee on it.
not find room, it appears that Badajoz continues to
Mr. FOSTER stated that the difference was
2278. lOs. which had been deducted on account of defend itself bravely ; and that in Catalonia some ad-
pells and poundage,'so that the sum was precisely the vantages appear to have been gained over various
same as last year—(4 laugh.) detachments of the enemy on the 16th, 18th 19t1
Mr. HERBERT, (of Kerry), thought that there and 26th of January.
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was a great deal in what had been said by tke Hon. . SPANISH ACCOUNT,
Gentleman (Mr. Hutchinson) ; and said, that if any
Gentleman would second him, lus would move for CAD:Z, Maitell ..
Although we have not yet received the circum.
the original grant of 18,000, instead of 9,000.
Mr. HUTCHINSON expressed his willingness to scandal detags of the battle fought on the sth inst. in
do so. the fields of Chiclana ; in themean time, in order than
Mr. GRATTAN assented to the justness of the the public may not be without any information, wee
observations made by his Honourable Friend, (Mr.
publish ahat which was
night
Hutchinson,) and stated his sentiments in favour of •
by the General in Chief D. Manuel de la Pena to the
the larger grant to remain unchanged ; but thought,
that owing to an obvious informility, the amendment Chief of the General Staff—it is in substance u fol-
could not be pressed in the present stage. lows :
Mr. HUTCTHINSON contended, that less than 44 In carrying into execution to-day the attack
the original estimate would be wholly inadequate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER which I had proposed, to free the passage of Santi
stated, that the original estimate was but 28000, and I Petre previous to ulterior operations, the allied army
that the 25000 which had been added to that 28000 has obtained a victory tht more complete and satin.
in 1806, was owing to the increase of buildings since factory, inasmuch as it was necessary to overcome
finished. circumstances, which rendered it the more difficult;
Mr. HUTCHINSON stated that the Librarian of
but the valour of the British and Spanish troops, the
Maynooth College had but a salary of 020 a year
while the Museum Porter of the Dublin Society had , i
wisdom and warlike genius of General Graham, and
a salary of 235—the Door-Porter and three Messen- , the gallantry of the Commandant-General of the van.
gars 225 a year—and four Chambermaids 235 a I guard, D. J. Lardizabil, overcame every difficulty,
year each (hear). I
androcured for the nation a glorious day. In m
p
Mr. WHITBREAD expressed his surprise at such 1 y
details I named those who had most opportunity of
a comparative statement, and thought that, as the
Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to be in ignotance distinguishing themselves. 1 remained master of the
upon the subject, the Estimate ought to,be postponed. , positions of the enemy, which are very advantageous
Mr. MAY made a short but neat speech in support :
in regard to my succeeding operations.
of the adoption of all conciliatory measures towards'
~ We have suffered some loss, but that of the
the Irith Catholics. ~
enemy has been infinitely greater in {titled and vim-
Mr. Abercrombie, Mr. Wynn and Mr. Hutchinson
spoke for the postponement ; —Mr. Perceval and Mr.ided. Among the latter is General Rufin, Victor's
Foster against it. : Aid-de-Camp, some Chiefs, and many Officers and
Strangers were then excluded, but no division took troops. Five pieces of artillery remained in our
place, and the amendment was negatived without a
I • • power."—Regency Gasetie extraordinary, March 9.
tdtvision. The following Sums were then voted :
Farnat.g Society - - - £5,000 ' CADIZ, MARCH to.
Cork !latitude:2 - - - 2,500 The operations of our army, near Chiclana, altlint,g4
Wide Street Commissioners - 9080
Sr. Pericles Hospital - - 4.000 attended, unfortunately, with no very happy result,
Hewth Harbour - - - 40,000 have however shewn the enemy the superiority of the
101011 CHANCELLOR OP TVS EXCHII.4.IUF.R.
Mr. HUTCHINSON wished to know if in case of combined troops The British soldiers have manifested
the event of a rum' tired vacancy, it was the intention ! the most unparalleled bravery,perhaps never equalled.
of his Majesty's Ministers to propose the abolition of i The enemy had certainly double their number. Ge.
the office of Chancellor of the Irish Exchequer. The neral Ruffin's brother, who came in a cartel from St.
present state of the finance of, Ireland, vergiag on to- Mary's to see him,
acknowledges
the loss of the
cal bankruptcy, made a question of this kind at that
French at 1000 men, and scarcely one of the Staff
time the merenecessary.
Mr. FOSTER replied, that he was not sure that escaped, being either killed or woonded.—The valour
the question was in order ; and the only answer he of the English navy has been particularly conspicuous.
should now make was, that he inflect no Chancellor i The British Admiral, as ith the mitrines, stormed, the
of the Exchequer for Ireland, or elsewhere, would beiredoubt at the mouth of the Guadelete, and the flo.
tried and condemned without a Bearing.
tills, under the orders of their spirited leader, Captain
The House than resumed; and the Report was or-
dered to be received this day. The other Orders of Hall, drew on themselves the whole fire of the dance
the Day were then disposed of, and the House ad- ries, covering the landing of their brave countrymen.
journed at half-past-twelve. _ The people of Cadiz flocked to the ramparts to be.
hold this bold manoeuvre of the English gun-boats,
and the loss of one, which was sunk by a shower d
shot under Santa Catalina, excited universal intereß.
Some valuable lives were lost, valuable to the inha.
bitants of this city, who know how to appreciate the
daring intrepedity shewn by our brave allies is the
presence of ourenemy.—Further operations are spokes
of, and General- Zayas is to command ftur troops.

Is,VENING

TUESDAY, MARCH 26.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Consols, meaty, 6411—for account, 64f1,..
Reduced, shut-4 per Cent. shut—Navy 5 per t.
Each. Bills, Is. Ss. prem.—Bond 423. prem.

The dispatches expected hourly from Lord WEL-
LINGTON had not arrived when this paper was put to
press ; but we are happy to add that from the follow.
ing accounts received this morning at LLOYD'S, there
can be no doubt that MA S EV A has actually recreated.
" GUERNSEY, MARCH e 4.
" A vessel arrived here yesterday from Lisbon
with several letters of the 11th inst. all stating that
the French army had broken up and was retreating—
our army was following, and a general battle mo-
mentarily expected.
44 The French had been foiled in an attempt to
cross the Zezere, with the loss of 700 prisoners and
two pieces of cannon."

" WINDSOR CASTLE/ MARCH 26.
" The KING is going on very favourably.
(Signed) '4 HXDIRDIIN."
This day we received German papers to the 17th
inst. A letter from Naples, dated the 15th ult. pub.
lisped. in a Hambut gh paper, states, that several Arne.
rican vessels which had arrived there, had been put
under sequestration : their cargoes consisted princi-
pally of indigo and nankeens. Some vessels laden
with stock fish and other American produce, were
allowed to dispose of these articles. The todowing
letter from Turkey is the only other article in these
papers deserving of notice.
A riot took place in Bristol market on Saturday
morning, in consequence of fresh butter having hcl-
vanced to 2s. 6d. per lb. A party of workmen and
colliers forcibly seized all the butter, sold it at a pace
fixed by themselves, and returned the money to the
owners. Six of the most active of the rioters were
taken into custody and lodged in the Brideweil.
FALMOUTH, MARCH 23.—Arrived the WAitroott,
of 74 guns, in 13 days from Cadiz—she brought the
Dispatches from General GRAHAM. Also arrived
the Bombay Merchant from the Isle of France, last
from St. Malo's, where she landed French prisoners.
Sailed the Duke of Kent packet for Lisbon ; aad the
Carteret ditto for Surinam and Berbice.—Wind E.
PLYMOUTH, MARCH 24 —Arrived last night the
POMPER, 8Q guns, from Lisbon : she brings nothing
of a more resent date than what arrived by the
GANGES, having left the Tagus at the same time.—
The Gottuus has come up the harbour, to refit.—
Wind E. blows a gale.—Sailed the VALIANT, 74 guns,
for the Rochefort station; the A I.PHEA schooner,
with two vessels under convoy, for Falmouth ; the
Ann tender, for Bristol ; and the SCAELnwEit brig of
war, with Uensral COTTON. and the Otncers ment
tioned in my letter of yesterday, for Lisbon.
DIAL, MARCH 25.—Arrived his Majesty's ships
Poisonous and BANTERIR, from a cruise. The 10iPler
is appointed convoy for Portmouth.—Wind
HARWICH, MARCH 25. A ttis d the Auckland
packet from Heligoland. Put b ick by control
winds the Lord Duncan packet, with the Anholt mail
of the 22d instant on board.
SuautNEss, MARCH _2s.—The American ship
liam and Henry, PRIOR, with timber, from Savar,nah,
arrived yesterday, and went up the River Medway,
for Chatham Duck-yard.—Sailed the Comma', 11:'
HARD, and CINsoR gun.brigs, for Yarmouth.—Arri•
ved therm/issue& and BLAZER gun-brigs, from North.
fleet.—Went °tit of harbour, the CHANTIELISR.--T: •
Rosario merchant ship, POTTER, Wiled for the DOWIHI
and the MANLY gun-brig, for Portsmouth.

General G R "MAWS account of the manner in which
his gallant handful of men cut their way through a
very superior force, will be read with a lively interest;
but we h4ve to regret, that, with the exception of two
battalions- of Spaniards attached to General GRA-
liAm's division, none of the troops of our allies shared
in the brunt of the action. General Lt Plum, the
Spanish Commander-in-Chief, with the main body of
his troops, evidently kept at a distance from the scene
of action, and no sortie from the garrison of Cadiz
was even attempted. It is manifest that General
GRAHAM had no alternative in the situation in which
be was placed but to attack the enemy, and the glo-
rious result justified the spirit of determination. If
the Spaniards had acted with corresponding energy,
the destruction of the besieging army would have been
complete.
. All the private letters from Cadiz concur in stating
that General GRAHAM was left without the smallest
support froin the Spanish Commander ; and that his
conduct had excited the greatest indignation even
among the Spaniards theniselves. One letter says :
44 The Spaniards have chosen to abandon all the ad-
vantages of this victory. The division of General
LA PENA, 7000 strong, did not fire a single shot, and
had they done their duty, not a Frenchman would
have survived, and the result would have been that
the siege of Cadiz would have been raised."
We' understand that General LA PENA his been
put under arrest, and that inquiry is to be made into
his conduct, and into that of the troops under his
orders. It is suspected even that secret information
wasiireo tpVicToe qt the pact strenstb of the Eoglish,

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