Star.
London, England, 1828-12-15 00:00:00

'Callaway, ermined by Mr. Pouocir, cle-
t be was Assistant-Surgeots at Guy's; has
e practice fifteen years; has seen Sir Astley
rform the operation of lifhotomy; was present
ration in question as Assistant-Surgeon ; the
lasted fifty minutes. From the position in
toad. he could see the incision; but the knife
e staff, therefore he had no doubt the incision
into the bladder; saw the body after death ;
can judge of the difficulty of the operation
erator ; his situation as Assistant did not give
ter opportunity of judging than a common
there was evidently great difficulty ; no person
itroduce the forceps unless he was convinced
ger that the bladder was penetrateJ ; had
he forceps were used; the stone appeared to
igher part of the bladder, behind the pubes.
unted for the forceps not finding it. Stones
rally found at the bottom of the bladder.
'fiat stone. That accounted for the forceps
v it. The scoop was used. S,,unded the
day he was cut, and found the stone. The
s a stout man. Mr. Cooper, during the ope-
ed witness to try his finger, because Mr.
old not reach the bladder. He could not
,ladder. It was necessary to make the inci-
; a cutting gorges was then introduced ; does
iber that a blunt gorget was used; a gorget
re wound opening too much ; if the incision is
enough, a cutting gorget makes it larger.
m used the proper means, and no unnecessary
He thought the operation was per formed as
ly and with as much care as the nature of the
1 allow. The delay was occasioned by the
of finding the stone. Mr. Cooper was cer•
ilful surgeon. Plaintiff was in the Peninsula
rica; plaintiff was at Norwich; Norfolk is
I for diseases of the bladder. On the post
aminanon, should have seen if there had been
ty force used; the patient was an unhealthy
case required great anatomical knowledge.
d greater knowledge Co tie the subclavian
n to cut for the stone. Would not form a judg
case of this description without consulting
or.

unlined by Mr. Wakely—Did not pass his
Gogh the wound at the post modem examina-
not aware whether the stone was attached to
I or not ; in one part of the bladder witness
n appearance which induced him to say that
tad been embedded there. Did not think the
new the si union of the stone; it appeared to
lifficulty. He could not have a knowledge of
situation of the stone, as it was in the interior
bladder ; there is a loose cellular membrane
he interior patt of the bladder and the pubes;
ment which attaches the bladder to the ;idles
v is contracted when there is not urine; the
ay embrace the stone when it is contraited ;
any wine in the bladder it will contract
nd propel 'it so the urethra: The bladder is
o any sub.tance but the pubes; it has other
ts. but no fixed points ; the stone would fall into
of the bladder by its own gravity. The sides
dder are not generally in actual contact. Had
that the f ',ceps entered the bladder. Wit-
not in a situation to see whether they entered
me, but his opinion was that they did. A flat
Ruch more difficult to obtain than a rotted
I small one is more diffikult than a large one.
less if the opening required time to do it with
cutting might take ten seconds. The gorges
used once; this was gekitness's opinion ; did
e osmium for an esplimation until the opeta-
wen The patient had been removed ft bin the
ten the operator explained ; he was riot kept
instant while the explanation was ping for-
sidered Mr.B.Cooper to be a vet, skilttil prat-1
All surgeons differed upon some points, but'
portant points should have no hesitation Of
Mr. Cooper's opinions. Had never said it was
put job to place Mt. Cooper over witness's
ke all disappointed candidates, witness might
that the election ought to have fallen on him ;
4 never said that Mr. Cooper was better fitted
large fortune than to be a member of the
; witness might have wished thit he had a
one, and wished so now ; for if Mr. Cooper
furtisne, witness might perhaps now be the
instead of the assistant. Cannot distinguish
!potation between the cut made by the gorget
by the knife; hive seen an appearance pro-
the cellular membrane by the forceps passing
ie bladder and the rectum, but the appearance
aes and the one in question were not similar;
ow there was exteavasoted blood and in the
'e was none; the cellular membrane was dark
which might be the case without its contain-
rasated blond.

Nen Wit re-ezartibled by Sir JA 1113 SCA R Ltl7
Ilse of the bent folcepii, and the Witnes'a de
it horn the time at whith hlr.C. Used the bent
►e (Mr. Callaway) conceived that Mr. Cooper'
e had the same idea of the difficulty which
passing in his *And; it was not the sfitnplf
of tatting which ocessibAed the delay in per-
the opetation.

uror—..The operation k alviays thought to be
when the stone is in the *Mellor part of she
but did not antiespate any extraordinary diffi•
this case, though the patient was of that weak
It he was not unlikely to sink under a great
; the sound could nor have placed* the stone
don more difficult to be got at.
.A. Kai examined-1 am the senior surgeon
Hospital; I am a surgeon since 1812; 1 have
4 50 or 60 operations in litbotomy myself ; I
'Ti Mr. Cooper operate several times; in the
is Mr. Cooper has performed he has not lost
n the average number of patients • from the
3n of the operation, as given by Mr:Callaway,
likely that 1 should r ave adopted the same
sa as adopted by Mr. B. Cuomo. The length
cellpied in thelperation was no criterion of
a the operator ; have known CAMS where,
the stone could be touched, there Was yet great
in extracting ir, in consequence of the bladder
use stone. I think from' the evidenee ad-
'at the operation was scientifically performed:
Piolence had bien used, I. thick its effects'
discovered after death. The passage in the
nembral2e would hit& hetn' found liketatiod.
state of slough, with extravasated blond. I was
t the post ntortens ekiiMnat on. and the cellular
114114 linfictly emit and' htle lbzeiateit: If
ps had been introduced with great forte into
.te"gland, it would liavealsown the elfsettrat
bat no-ugh effeeti• wirelAsitstraftee &nth.
nd•psesrnted the appltitattaf* of a fate AI lbh
welt of the'blAtifeEttiraugh 'films Welland.
ins-
the
Mt,

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to do so if potsiblet I had taint conversation with Mr
Lambert in the square of the Hospital ; Mr.Lansbert said.
" Your straight staff will never reach a deep'perinen m."
I replied, ia Sir, you know nothing about it, having
never performed the operation yourself." The staff
will answer as well with a deep as with a shallow
one. I told him if he thought this perineum deep, I
had operated upon one twice.as deep. Not having
seen the perineum during life, I could give no opinion
as to its depth, and did not therefore say that it was al
deep one. Mr. B. Cooper, in his operations, has seldom 1,
exceeded the average time. I have tied the subclavian'
artery twice; it is, when tied in cases of aneurism, one
of the most difficult operations in surgery, but when
there is no illsease the operation is easy enough. It re-
quires great skill, great presence of mind, and great
knowledge of anatomy, to perform such an operation.
I assisted Mr. B. Cooper in perforMing this operation,
and I never saw one better performed in my life; it was
for aneurism. I never saw Mr. B. Cooper lose his pre.
sence of mind upon any occasion. I consider him tu
be a good and skilful surgeon.
Cross-examined—l saw in the Lancet a report of the
tying of the subclavian artery.
Sir J. SCARLETT—My Lurd, there was such a repot t,
in which Mr. Cooper was spoken of very handsomely ;
that was prior to the quarrel between Mr. Lambert and
Mr. Cooper at the dinner.
Mr.Wakely —Was that report prior or subsequent to
the dinner ? Witness—it was subsequent to it, most
certainly. I object to the use of the gorge' before an
opening is made into the bladder, because then a con-
siderable degree of force most be used ; but after an
opening has been made Into the bladder my objection
will certainly not apply. I have operated between fifty
or sixty times ; forty of these were at Guy's Hospital,
and lust only three patients With justice to Mr.
Cooper I ought to say that the major part of these
forty were young patients; Mr. Cooper performed
about twelve times at the hospital, but As I do not keep
an account of his patients, I cannot tell bowman, of them
died. I use as many instruments in the lithotomy operi•
tions as I may find necessary for extracting the stone.,
sometimes three, sometimes more. It the bladder con-
tracts, it may hold the stone in contact with it. 1 think
that I had performed about three 'Tendons before I
published my work on lithotomy. In the case in which;
Mr. Bransby Cooper tied the sunclavian artery, the
patient ultimately died, but 1 think that he died more
from disease than from the operation itself—his death
Was occasioned by suppuration below the ligature...l-1
Neither on the operations that I have seea,nor t!.at I have
myself performed, have I seen the subclavian artery
tied in a better manner than it was done by Mr. Bransby.
Cooper. I consider Mr. Cooper a scientific surgeon.
What do you mean by science as applied to surgery?
—I consider that a man is scientific who knows good
reasons for what he does. I am certain that I had no
conversation with M. Bransby Cooper respecting this
operation before the report appeared; I have since that
conversed with him, but it was upon immaterial points;
I had never the difficulties of this operation explained
to

Have you ever sent aeontribution to the Laneel?—
Yen; upon the occasion of the separation of St. Thomas
and Guy's Hospitals, I sent an answer to an article which
previously appeared in the Lancet. 1 law in the Lancet
since the operation in question, an article highly praising
Mr. Bransby Cooper, and undoubtedly it is my belief
that I expressed my approval of that.attielb.
Mi. Joseph Laundy examined by Sir J. SCA RLIITT-...
I held the instruments for Mr. Cooper while he was
performing the operation; I have witnessed almost all
the operatiohs at Sr. Thomas and Guy's Hospitals for
the last thirty yearn, and have seen Sir A%tley Cooper
an.l Mr. Cline periorfu several times; some operations
of the description now under consideration have lasted
AS long; the most tedious one I ever sew was by Mr.
Cline, surgeon; it lasted an hour and to, ty minutes'
the stone was ultimately ex' ratted. 1 hive seen ibe
operation last an hour, but not often; one by gh A.stley
lasted on hour; it was At the Hospital,
Cross examined by the defendant—l am not a sttrgeon ;
I am an istArunient maker, and do not know the causes
of the delay in the cases that lasted an hour.
Dr. Hodgskin, a quaker, examined by S rJ. SCAR
LETT-4 Oa Professor cf Morbid Anatomy at Guy's Hos-
pital; I should think that the perineum of the deceased,
from his size, must have been deep. Froth the appear.
ance of the parts, I was aware of no other wound, except
One front the external surface into vie bladder—there was
noAe between the bladder and the rectum ; the kidneys,
as is gener,lly the case ir. subjects of that nature, «etc
mottled with white spots. I should certainly nave seen
it, if there had been any wound between the bladder',
and rectum. I cannot say that the wound passed any
where but into the bladder. Alter I removed the parts
they were put away, and J. Lambert asked to see them.
I orone of my assistant, took them down for him. I
went away ; afterwards James Lambert showed me a
passage between the bladder and the rectum, and as I
halt not seen the passage before, I taxed him with
making it. He had the finger in -the passage when he
showed it to me. If that had been made recently befit,
death, there would have been an extravasition of blood.
It is My firm conviction that it was made after death.
From my knowledge of Mr. Cooper, I look on him as,
a very fair surgeon and a good anatomist.
Cross-examined—l read or heard the report of the
peal modern examination in the Lancet read, and it was
correct as it appeared at the examination, except so fir
as regarded the passage between the rectum and the
bladder.

' Mr. Brodie, examined by Mr. Pounci—l have re-
peltedlp conversed with the plaintiff on surgical sub-
jects. and conceive him a very intelligent surgeon ; I
heard Mr. Calliway's account of the operation, and I
think that it most have been difficult; I think that Mr.
Cooper performed it skilfully, but I have never seen
that gentleman pertorm any operation ; I have repeat-
edly performed the operation of lithotomy. and it varies
in ice circumstances more than any other; the use of
a great number of instruments indicates the difficulty
of the case.
Cross-examined—l attended a Meeting at the Free.
masons' Tavern, coniposed of the Lecturers at several
Hospitals, and it was'ctMsictered that We had all a com-
mon caobe- against the' Land; I paid part of the ex-
panes of the' second* application to the Com' of
Chirac's* for an injunction to restrain the pUblication
of Mt. Abernetby's' Lectures; I have subscribed to
enable a man to set iris alifippaiition Journal to the'
BACA; besilltelhit' Matte kabwif nothing of it.
Re‘exatarstfilite.-1f appeared to me to be a great
li ki "atiCiate have die Lectures published, because they
-webs published incorrectly, and brought great discredit
those. whose Lettuces were published.
Met haters-.I have been in practice 20 yedri, and I
Wit been in the profession since 18b0; I hive heard the
Mance of Mr. Callaway at to the operation, and I have
Me of no cireirmstane* which could inipeach the skill
oftbromfratte. I think the'operator is' the best judge
eirtirthftltreatitit vihich eughtli tiiised. The Igoe;
setlireif*.cSitatioa. of the skill of the operator. I
41lithwainted with Pdf..Ctiwpgr,. attittlilalrtlntt he it

. .l"
an %pink!' intellrgdnt Wein, Et for twe
situation he holds as Surgeon of Guy's Hospital. There
ate often cases of lithotomy which for a long time kallie
the skill of the best operator, and I conceive case in
question to be one of thit description. I have had con-
versations at St. Thomas's Hospital on the subject of
the Lancet; the surgeons met upon the subject. I was.
not present at any difference of opinion betaren Mr.
Lambert and MY Cooper. I have read the report in
the Lancet, and I do not considet it to be a fair or a
professional account. of the operation.
Cross examined—l did nor witness either the opera.
tion or the post monism examination; I have performed
the operation twice where there was no stone, although
the patient had previously all the symptoms, which
ceased after the operation. He had the opinion of four
other surgeons as to the existence of the complaint be-
fore he performed the operation.
Re-examined—lf I had never heard of the report,
should, on reading it, blush for the person who had
made such a report.
Mr. Green was nest examined—l am nephew of the
late Mr. Cline, and have been for eight years Surgeon
to St. Thomas's Hospital; I have often performed the
operation of lithotomy, and am reputed to be very suc-
cessful; I witnessed one capital operation by Mr. Bransby
Cooper, a hick he per formed admirably well ; the ope
ration was that of tying the external iliac artery, which,
for skill, is somewhat like putting a ligature on the
subclavian artery. From Mr. Callaway's desci iption of
the operation, I think it was skilfully conducted, and
I should conceive it to have been a case of great diffi-
culty; and length of time is of itself no criterion of the
skill of the operator; the most skilful surgeon might
have occupied the same time, and yet the result have
been equally fatal.
Cross-examined—lt requires great anatomiesl know-
ledge to to the iliac artery.. I was at the meeting at the
Freema.ons'Tavern; Some Lectures of mite at that
time had been published; I conttibuted to the expenses
of the Injunction.
Re-examined—The lectures were incorrectly pub-
lished ; only one of them was free Loos misrepretentatia n.
Dr. Babington was next called and examined by Mr.
POLLOCK—I knew the plaintiff well, and have had con-
versations with him upon anatomical subjects, with
which he seemed to be perfectly acquainted. The best
proof of my conviction of his skill is, that I have placed
my youngest son under him as an apprentice.
Cross-examined—The apprentices to the surgeons of
the hospital have all their advantages in common ; it
makes no difference what surgeon they are placed under
las to the knowledge they may have an opportunity of
acquiring.
Dr. Roget examined—l !lave had many opportunities
of witnessing Mr. Cooper's ptactice, and I think that he
is a skilful and judicious surgeon; I have read this re•
port, and think that no medical man ought to have
written such a report.
Mr. Morgan was next examined, and gave similar
testimony as to Mr. Cooper's abilities.
This witness was not cross-examined.
Mr. Hilton examined—l was a pupil at St.Thomaes,
and I am now an assistant demonstrator ; I was at the
post mortem examination, and could not reach the black
der with my finger ; I did nor witness the operation.
Sir A. Cooper—l was subrcenaed by the defendant,
and I heard the account given by Mr. Harrison of the
education of Mr. Bransby Cooper; that account was
perfectly correct ; Mr. Bratisby Cociper had been in my
house, and had continued opportunities of witnessing
my practice ,• he had opportunities of experience at
Salamanca, Toblouie, and Vittoria, and ,afterwards
in Canada. I subsequently took him as an appren-
lice, not conceiving that the spec:es of practice he
had witnessed was the most proper for an Hospital :
the plan of placing him as Surgeon of the Hospital
was not mine, but it I thought that he was not fit
for the situation, 1 should most certainly haveoppo-e
his appointment. In my practice I have often sent
him as my substitute, which I should not have done if
I did not think him competent. Mr. Bransby Cooper,
when he first went to the Wapiti!, was a. good ;Mato-
mist, and a very good surgeio, but Ile s anted expo,
ience in hospital practice. Sill a young man must not
be crushed in the outset, or the country will be deprived
of perhaps the first-late abilities; the dill.ulty in the pre-
sent case was, that the stone was enveloped in the f Ids
of the bladder which did not let go its hold of it until
the man became eery considerably exhausted, and then
it dropped, so that the, straight forceps could catch it.
With respect to time, it was not to be at all considered
as a criterion of skill; the stone was small, and it should
be known, that it was the small stones which caused
the difficulty, because they were often enfolded in the
bladder ; no man could be a judge cf the operation
unless he had pet lot med it, and no man could ju ige of
the individual case unless he was the performer; I have
been twenty five years in practice, and I have in one
year pram med the operation r f lithotomy eighteen
times ; I should think it unkind to form an opinion of
the skill displayed in a case with, ut communicating
with the operator, for I should be loth to destroy the
character of another man—and unwise, because that
opinion could scarcely be correct.
Cross examined by Mr. Wakely—Sir Astley, have
you never said that a good 'urgent' ought to be like a
good General, that be should wade up to the neck in
blood? Have you not said so in yr ur lectures to y ter
pupils ?—Sir A. Cooper—l don't know, I may have said
so; I am sometimes fond of using strong expres'sions;
I like, in short, to be understood. I think it one of the
greatest evils that a man should he attacked in early
life ; and that he should be crushed because he hap-
pened to have a misfortune, however capable he might
be to practise in his profession; it is a power which I
think the public press ought not to have.
Mr. Wakely—Sir Astley, do you not think that the
interests of the public would be best consulted by hav-
ing men of experience appointed as surgeons to the
Hospitals, and not to appoint them for the purpose of
acquiring experience? Sir A. Cooper—l think that
every Hospital ought to have an Assistant-surgeon,who
would thereby be prepared for the situation which he
would subsequently bold.
Was Mr. IL ansby Cooper an assistant before he be-
came surgeon? Sir A. Cooper—No, be was not; but
I think it would be a good regulation to adopt in all of
them.

What was the particular difficulty in this case?—
Sir Astley Cooper—There was so little water in the
bladder that this man must have made water imme-
diately before the operation; if the bladder had been
lull of water the stone would have been easily struck.
What is the danger to be guarded against in the
opetedon of lithotomy ? Sir A. Cooper—The chief
danger to be guarded against is violence.
Supposing the stone to be felt, but enveloped in the
folds of the bladder, would not the more prudent course
be, atter having vainly tried for ten minutes to extract
it, to place the patient in his bed again?—Su A.
Cooper—l should certainly think not, if the stone could
I be felt. In that cue the surgeon should persevere until
be got it away.
youtot toad Was. Sir Mdeyl—Elir Astley I

—TraVe &pied tdio Cass, bet I de not copula.
Celsus as a good surgical authority, although be is it
classical one.
Is it not the practice in Edinburgh and Paris to pot
the patient to bed in such cases as f have supposed ?
Sir A, Cooper-1 have studied in E lit•burgh, and I
have witnessed operations of lithotomy in Paris, but I
never saw such a practice resorted to.
How lona may the contraction of the bladder con-
tinue? Sir Astley—it might last an h ur ; 1 Nal giae
sou an example— I went into the theatre of St Thom is's
Hospital, where an operation of lithotemy W4s being
performed by a Gentleman who is now in Court ; it
was one of great difficulty ;,the &toile was enveloped in
the folds of the bladder, so that the point of it only
could be felt; after nearly the lapse of an hour, be
passed the instrument between the stone and the blad-
der, but the contraction still continued.
What evil could result by placing the patient in bed
until the contraction was oves ? Sir Astley—Just this,
what you would not like—you would have two opera.
tions to perform instead of One; if the stone was f.li,
the surgeon ought to persevere.
Why is it mole difficult to introduce the finger after
death than before ? Sir Astley—lf you had ever put
your finger into the bladder of a living subject, you
would know the difference; by putting your finger into
the bladder of, the dead.subject, you would have known
as much of the difficulty of this case as you now do of
what is passing in the moon. , •
Re examined by Sir J. ScatteatrirMy nephew wig,
a surgeon in the arme..and lie was epy demonstritoref
anatomy; he gaie great satisfaction to me; and the
students were so gratified with the clearness of his lee-
tures, that they teltpleased that a mari who bad so
easy a method of communicating knowledge should be
placed in a situation Where he would have the means of
conveying it.
Mr. Dalrymple, the surgeon Of the Ncirwieli Hospi-
tal, deposed to the celebrity Of. that Hospital for its
operations in lithotomy, and he bad himself performed
the operation not less than 76 times; had heard Mr.
Callaway's description of the operation, and saw horn
that description Ito indication of waist of skill on, the
part of the operator; has often had similar difficulties,
and has always a greeter number of instruments than
those that were mentioned as employed by Mr.Cootset.
Believes Mr. Cooper well qualified to fill the, sitoation
of hospital surgeon ; hid himself the misfortune to have
a case where the stone was so large that it could not
be removed, and in three hours the patient died. ,
Cross examined—ln that case the stone weighed over
fourteen nun es.
Mr. Watson examined—l am S•cretary to the Court
of Examiners of the Apothecaries Company; the young
man, Clapham, did come to be examined, in order to
obtain his certificate; 1 have an affidavit ofJohnClaphams
to the effect that he was 21 years cf age on the 21st of
April, 18`28; this affidavit was necessary, in order that
he should get his license to be examined; this affidavit
was swo n at a police ii(4ee in Middlesex;, I don't kpnw
that Mt. lambert did more than give a certificate oldie
moral character of Clapham.
Sir JAMES ScARLErr —That is my case.
A shalt pause then took place, previous to the de.
fendant rising to address the Court.
Mr. Wakely then replied. He observed, that thit
apprehension of Sir James Scarlett, on the previous
day, that he (Mr. Wakely) would break down in bit
case, and so leave the Learned Gentleman no Opp, rte.
pity of supporting Mr. B. Cooper's character for skill
by evidence, had come to nothing. Sir James, in, his
addreis to the Jar f, had thought proper to bestow, oo
thin almost every vituperative,epithet valid think
of. He had called him a plunderer. a literary pirate,
and had accused bian r f keepina a set of young meal
almost the outcasts of t..eir prufession, with a tit w to
aggrandise himself by their Wows. He did not know
Whether Sir lanes SCarlett had founded his statements
on fel nit or from the instructions of his client. It the
forme., the Learned Gentiemln had shown his indiscre-
tion; it tie latter, his client hakshosen still wester want
of discretion. In carrying. on fte--publicatinn of the
Lanai, his, principle always had been that he had a
rig: t to publish those Lectures which were delivered in
public, as he considered that, in fact, they belonged to
, the public, and that the public, through the medium of
periodicals, luid a right to be acquainted with what was
going on in public theatres of surgery. With private lee•
tures he had never meddled, because they did is t present
the same leatiwei. For this publication of their lectures
some surgeons had thought pioper to bring him into
Chance, y, but there the question had been decided in
his favour; and the surgeons, by pursuing such a
course, liar only rendered themselves bye words to the
pr, fession. Among others, Mr. Green's six lectures on
diseases of the eye had been reported, and he was cer-
tainly veining to admit that five of those lectures,
owing to very particular circumstancts, were -not
accurately reported; the first cue, however, a* Mr.
Green bad admitted, was accurate; and the reports.
of Mr. Abeinethy's lectures were so correct, that
that Gentleman had set forth their accuracy in an
affidavit. The simple question respecting afte
lectures was, whether they were public rropeity,
or were to be made hole and corner work of? Such a
decision he was determined to resist, and he had re■
sisted it with success. In coming to the case itself, he
must say that it presented itself to the Jury under very
peculiar circumstances; and it was most remaikable,
tbat out of two hundred persons who were present. the
plaintiff had thought proper only to call one—a solitary,
one—to give evidence as to his skill; while a whole
host of persons, who knew nothing at all of the
operation, were called to support the plaintiff's cha.
racter ; among them were Sir Astley Cooper. Mr.
Green, and Dr. Babington ; he wondered, for his pan;
that there were not added to the list the Emperor of
China and the Great Mogul. By such a course it was
attempted to practise the greatest imposition on elle
Jury and the public ; but would the Jury be so blinded'
and so duped as to allow themselves to be persuaded
that the opinions of these men were to prove the report
in the Lancet inaccurate? Why weie not the surgeons
of Lewes produced, if they were able to state that
there were considerable difficulties attached to the
case? But no; the plaintiff had not ventured to
do that; he chose rather to rely on that evidence
of which he could be sure. Sir James Scarlett, in
his address of that morning. had thought proper to
dwell at great length on the person whom he chant
to call 4. the hireling Lambert ;" but Sir James
should remember, that in this case he himself was a
hireling, had received his fee, and was working for the
sake of lucre. Objections, too, had been taken to the
term Bats." bat if they were to have their Whigs in-
politics, he did not see why they night not have, their
Bats in hospitals ; and very sure he was that these hos.
pital surgeons were much more like bats than Sir Jas.
Scarlet like sour milk,uhich was the meaning of Whig ,
(Laughter). Yesterday he had taken the libesty of asset-.
ing the Jury that he had every reason to believe that the
whole of the statement in the Lance) was true; and he
might now say that not one tact had been contradicted
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