Star.
London, England, 1821-01-24 00:00:00

Lord CASTLEREAGH objected to the infor-'
polity of the conduct of Mr. Wetherell.
sIr,WETH SHELL said;thatbefore such-a. notice
should have been liven, it ..would have been proper
to move for papers containing instructions on the
1-object--(Cries of Movc!)
_lle moved for copies of
-IE-Collects or Litanies ill the Li.urgy of the Church,
from the earliest pet iod ; as also for copies of other
papers, amongst which was the Order in COuncilter
the exclusion 61. her Majesty's name from .the'Liturgy.
i.bject was to enable the House to come tia a'just .
idea of the subject before it was brought. forward.
lie cancel ved himself actin& in a Parliamentary. man-
or in moving as he had done—(Hear,p hear).
Lord CAS tIEREAGH opposed the reception of
the notice, on the ground that, being Called'on thus
ester, he could not deterrnime.whether the papers
anentioned were such as could-properly be produced.
'Thus moving inaanter was a..new doctrine; and he
put it to the Hon. Gentleman to say whether these
new doctrines were to be approved ?—:-( Hear; hear).
had no intention to withhord this information
from the House; but, if agreed to, it could only have
the effect of delaying the Noble Lord's motion for
Friday, as the papers could not possibly be printed
by that day ; and therefore he should hope the Hon.
Gentleman would withdraw his motion, and give
notice for to•morrow—(No .1 No!).—Then, if the
question were not withdrawn, be should feel it his
duty to move the previous 9uestion.
Mr. TIERNEY was at a loss to nnderstand the
Noble Lord, who said, he had no objection to the
papers us question being laid before the Ilouse, and
yet he moved the previous question ; and the Noble
Lords said this, because he did not know where the
documetas were to be found, or how long they might
take to prochtie. It was astonishing that the Noble
Lords, who had advised the striking her Majesty's
nerve out of the Liturgy should not know where the
documents, upon which he must presume they bad
acted, were to be found. The Noble Lord said these
documents might take a long time to prepare; that
was one reason why no time should be lost in order-
ing them. The Noble Lord had al o talked of in-
fluence used on their side of the House. Such lan-
guage ought eot to be adopted by the Noble Lord;
who, though he had influence, and well knew he had
it, also well knew that those who sat on his (Mr.
Tieroey's) side of the house had but little influence,
for they had no places to bestow, or to take away, as
the Noble Lord had.
Mr. WETHERELL, with much warmth, denied
that he had intmded to take the House by surprize,
as the Noble Lord had asserted. He could not sup-
pose, that the Noble Lord and his colleagues, how-
ever unadvisedly they might have acted, bud acted
without consulting the important documents in Sues-
tion ; upon which alone they could legally and con-
stitutionally act.
Mr. BATHURST felt himself called on by the ar-
guments or the Learned and Hun. Gentleman.
Mr. FLUME rose to order. The Right lion. Gen-
tleman was about to address the House; but before
be proceeded, Re was desirous of knowing whether
the .Right Hon. Gentleman was a Member of the
House or not ? It was well known that the Right
H. n. Gentleman bad recently accepted the office of
Preadent of the Board of Controul, an office worth-
-4:50%). If this did not vacate his seat, he did not
know what would ; and he bad not heard that the
Right Hon. Gentleman had beers again elected.
Mr. BATHURST was surprised that, before the
Honourable Gentleman made his objection, he had
not looked into the Act of Parliament. If he had,
he w -uld have seen that the Act said nothing about
the £5OOO a-year to the President of the Board of
Oontroui. The Act gave his Majesty the power of
appointing the salaries to the different Commissioners,
and he could say he had no such salary ; and the Act
specifically said, that the Commissioners should not,
by their appointment, vacate their seats.
TIERNEY was happy to hear that the Right
Hon. Gentleman, being Chancellor of the Duchy of
Lancaster. performed the functions of Chairman of
the Board of Controul without salary.
Lord MILTON was not satisfied with this expla•
nation. It was not sufficient for the Right Honour--
able Gentleman to say he had given up his salary.
The House was bound by the fact, did the Act give
him a salary ?
Mr.CR EEVEY also considered the question to be,
whether the Act gave any salary ?
Mr. BATHURST said, he received no salary, and
acted on his own responsibility. With respect to the
motion, the production of these Papers must occupy
a long time, as it would be necessary to search for
authenticated copies of the Liturgy, and could not
be satisfied by the production of extracts from com-
mon copies to be found ill any bookseller's shop.
Sir JAMES M-ACKINTOSII could not discover
any cause for delay on the subject. The Noble Lord
and his Colleagues must have had those authentic
copies in their possession before they could have
acted. They certainly would not have acted on tin-
authenticated documents, and therefore they might
at once lay their hands on them.

SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, the proper
course for his Learned Friend to have pursued would
have been to move for the Order in Council made to!
alter the Liturgy, as no alteration could be made
without such an Order. There could have been nu
objection to producing that Order, if moved for.
SCARLETT supported the motion for the
Production of these Papers. It appeared to him that
they were liecessary, to consider whether the exclu-
sion of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy,, was,
he would not say, legally, but constitutionally, and,
svith propriety, effected. That was to be discussed I
wholly independent of the dry question of law. The
ground of delay was not a sufficient reason for his
Learned Friend (Mr. Wetherell) to withdraw his
motion. For his own part, he believed the whole of
these-documents could be prepared in the course of
Inc morning.
Nli. Serjeant ONSLOW supported the motion, be-
cause he n as desirous of obtaining all possible infor-
tuation on this subject; but, by giving this vote, he
eri,!leti to be understood as not binding himself on
occasion in which this great subject, which
at oesent so much agitated the country, might come
Under discussio...
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
desirous this Ishould be considered impar7
ti4i, v, and witi.ou. y feeling. He could not but
t.,is motion - as ill-timed. Ile thought it
--Aud be postponed till after the Address was dis-

posed of; and therefore he should vote for the pre.
vious question.
The pllery was then cleared for a division : when
the nutrabers were— . . _ _

For the previous question, moved by Lord Castlereagh 261
For Mr. Wethercll's MAIOP - - 169

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