Star.
London, England, 1828-07-09 00:00:00

Mr. W. SMITH did not think the salaries of clerks

in the public offices too small, as for every vacant office
there were more than 20 applicants. Even in the Saint
Katherine Docks the number of applicants for one hun-
dred places was not less than two thousand.
Mr. Secretary PEEL did, not think the number of
applicants for vacant situations a just criterion of the
abundance of qusliflediandidates,for though there might
be many applicants, few of them might be found on ex-
amination competent to fill the situations. As to-the peraa
sons employed in the subordinate offices under Govern.l
anent, it was indispensably necessary that the spirit oC
Gendetnen•should pervade their conduct in the important
and confidential dune, that were imposed on them—that-
they should possess and be enabled to maintain the
character of Gentlemen. There were secrets of State
necessarily entrusted to those persons, and their salary
ought to be such as should make them independent of
other means of subsistence, and sufficient to support
them in decency. The salary of the subordinate persons in
the Ordnance Office was too low. He regretted it should
be so, when he semembered the nature Of the trust that
mu tbe necessarily reposed in them. For instance, it
was known that Ministers could nut at all times be able
to make out all the copies of their dispatches; and,
in such cases, these I- ersons most, in the discharge
of this duty, be necesssrily entrusted with important
secrets. Why then, when they wrre treated as Gen-
tlemen, should they not be provided with the corn-
pensation and provision due to persons possessing the
educatios of Gentlemen? Then, in the changes that
took place in the persons filling high office, those com-
ing new into office must depend in a great measure on
the subordinate officers of the several establishments
fur a knowledge of the routine of their official duties.
In that case, it was the policy of this country to give a
liberal compensation to those persons, while they were
obliged to entrust them with official secrets—a com-
pensation such as might warrant the Government in
placing confidence in their discretion, integrity, and
judgment.
Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN thought clerks in met.
cantile offices were subject to much heavier responsi-
bility, and required much more talent for the discharge
of their duties, than clerks in the Government offices;
yet their salaries were very low,. and their situations un-
certain—not, however, but he would allow that some of
the Government clerks received too low salaries; but
that was the fault of the Government, who reduced the
Walks of the bairn fry, while they let the large fishes
escape.
After a few observations from Mr. Secretary Put. and Mr.
, the resolution was agreed to. The House resumed,the
Report was brought up, agreed to, and leave given to bring in the
Bill.
Mr. SPRING RICE moved for a Return of the names of the
Butter Tasters in the several ports of Ireland, by whom appointed,
and their emoluments.—Ordered.
OIDNANCII ESIIIMATES.•
On the motion of the CIANCILLOII of the EICHEQUIR, the Re-
port of the Committee of Supply was brought up, by Sir A. GLANT.
On the Resolution being read for granting the sum of .C 24,853
to his Majesty for the salaries of the Mastertierieral, the Lieutenant
General, and the other principal Olken of the Ordnance,
Mr. HU ME, for the purpose of having his opinion recorded in
the Journals, and without any intention of pressing the question to
a division, moved twu Amendments—the one to reduce the sum to
124,535; the other to omit the words'' Lieutenant General."
Mr. J. WOOD pressed the neceedty af a reduction.
Mr. M A BERLY regretted the evident indisposition of the
House to take a single step in the reduction of the public expenditure.
Sir H. H A RDINGR said. that the principle on which it was
proposed to retain the Lieutenant General was, that that Officer
was essential to the well being of the service.
Both the Amendments were then negatived; and the Resoluti,

was agreed to.—Several of the succeeding Itesibused were weed
to without comment. • •
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On the Resolution bein mad for granting the sum of .476,849
for the remainder of the Iktroordmaries,
bir. HUME objected to the number of storekeepers, especially
in the Colonies, and recommended she comolklationofsotne of their
situations.
Sir H. H ARDI NOR said that any masolidation of the different
storekeepers duties abroad would be highly Injurious.
bk. WA REILLY strongly supported the principle of consolida-
tion, as eseentia) to economy.
lbe Resolute p was then agreed to, as were several which followed.
On the Resolution being read forgralsting the amt of a 880,237
for the expense of the limn* -Depatiftent,
Mr. HUME wished to know whetter it was intended by his

Majesty's Governmen‘ to catty into effect thejeconmsendation of
the Fiance Committee with respect. to the teffaction of the pay of
Barrack Masterson foreign statOts? '
Sir H. lIARDINGE laid that it was not; because
the 'recommendation of the Fitiance Committee was
directly opposed to all the evidence on the subject. It
that recommendation were acquiesced in, the conse-
quence would be that many of the best barrack-
masters on foreign stallions must relinqUish their
situations. The salary of a Captain who was a bar-
rackmaster was ten shillings ; his half-pay was seven
shillings and sixpence. What the Committee recom-
mended was, that his salary should he reduced to
eight shillings, and that his hall-pay should he sus-
pended: he world, therefore, have to discharge the du-
ties of a barrackmaster fur sixpence a day ! The same,
objection applied 'to the recommendation of the Finance
Committee as to •Subalterns who held the situations of
barrackmasters.
Mc. MABERLY admitted that the Finance Com-
mittee had dealt out a severe economy on this subject ;
but as his Majesty's Government had pledged themselves
to attend to nll their recommendations, with the excep-
tion of that respecting the Lieutenant General, he thought
that they were bound to redeem that pledge. The object
which the Finance Committee had in view, was to re-
duce the half pay list.
After a few words from Sir H. Hanninor and the CHANCILLLOR
of the Eacarrauert, the Resolution was agreed to.
On the Resolution being read for granting the sum of •C 30,000
for the Military Works at Kingston, in Upper Canada, and at
Halifax, in Nova Scotia,
Mr. E. DAVENPORT wss desirous of knowing, it
the Right Hon. Gentleman could give the House an
..assurance that the estimate on this subject would not
be exceeded ?
Sir H. HARDINGE, in answer to the honourable
Gentleman's question, said that the estimate had been
formed on the best data, and that the probability was
that it would not be exceeded. He ought, however, to
state, that as the price of materials sometimes vat ied
considerably, it was possible that some elms might
take place on that ground. He was sure that the Hon.
Member did not mean to cast any imputation on Col.
Bye, who was engaged in the arduous duty of forming
tee Rideau Canal. There was a Committee of Engineer
Officers in Canada. by whom the various operations
were superintended ; and he thought it would be pre-
mature in the House to pronounce any opinion on the
subject at present.
Mr. ROBINSON said, that the vote he gave last night
was founded on the opinion for med in consequence of
what had near red in the Finance Committee, and from
knowing that Military Commissioners had been sent out
to snake inqu ries ; that his Majesty's Government had
better postpone a-Ain; for a vote of money till all the
linformation was before them. He voted as he had done
last night from thinking that al the circumstances rhouid
be before the House which would enable it to form a
correct judgment. He would at the same time observe,
that he, had known instance.s abroad of expensive works
having been begun by <ngineer officers, which were
demolished by their successors. Mary such works
were undertaken, be believed, without accurate in-
formation being possessed by his Majesty's Minis-
ters ; and they were induced to give their sanction
to the cemmencenSent of works, because they did
not know what expense nee would ultimately cost. He
believed many works were so undertaken, which cost
more than Government had ever expected. He did not
complain of any individuals; he.knew that there was
not a more respectable corps in the army than the
engineers; but they had a great deal too much power,
end led the Government to sanction a large expenditure
for works, which were abandoned when they were
changed. He had seen such works demolished while
Wets were constructing. He wished to take that op-
portunity of ent.iring his protest against the doctrine
broached last night. He thought it was absurd and
ridiculous to say, that the time was now come when
the question ought to be put to the Colonies, whether
they would separate from the Mother Country or not?
Even if Gentlemen regarded the Colonies merely as a
matter of uounds, shillings. and pence, such a proceeding
would be most unwise.
Sir HENRY HARDINGE called on the Honourable
Member to state, it what Tie asserted of works being
pulled down had been donciwithin the last ten years.
Mr. ROBINSON said, the particular instance he had
alluded to happened more theh'ten years ago.
Sir HENRY HARDINGE and Mr. ROBINSON
mutually explained.
Mr. MABERLY defended the proceedings of the
Finance Committee, in not having given an opinion on
subject of fortifying Canada.
Mr. W. SMITH was of opinion that the whole ques-
' tion of the policy of fortifying Canada ought to have
bees discussed in that House before one shilling was
voted. • Such a policy was very doubtful, because the
frontier was so extensive that it was impossible to se-
cute it at all points; and from the rapid increase of the
power of America it would be exposed to an ii resistible
enemy. Nothing could keep it in our possession but
the attachment t f the people.
Mr. HUME wished to know if the Colonists them-
selves had asked fur these fostificattuns ? He believed
cwt; and he doubted, it they were consulted, if they
would Agree to have them erected. Considering the
financial state of the country, he considered this one of
the most profligate, uncalled-for proceedings he had
ever witnessed. It was a complete waste of the re-
sources of the country. Considering the enormous
burdens under which the people of this country were
suffering, and the amount of caution which would be
necessary to raise the three millions, he thought it
ought on no account to be cart ied on. It would be far
better to reduce the taxation of the country, and relieve
the over...burdened people. He hoped speedily to see
corn ai 40s. the quarter, and then he should have the
Honourable Member for Suff.-lit, whom he was glad to
see in his place, again coming down, and complaining
of low prices; and as it would be Impossible for the
Government to give him any relief, he would then pro-
bably assist him (Mr. Hume) in compelling the Go-
vernment to give up a portion of taxation. In order to
place his sentiments on record, he should moveois an
amendment to the Resolution, " That it is inexpedient,
considering the present financial condition if the coun-
try, to engage in erecting military works in British
North America requiting so large a sum as 2,833,6904"
Mr. WAITHMAN seconded the amendment.
Sir H. HARDINGE denied the analogy of Sierra
Leone, which had been adverted to in the discussion.
In that case the Ordnance had no power to expend
money, but by order of the Treasury. The first ex-
penditure on the Barracks of Sierra
.Leone was by
order of the Colonial Department, and paid out of the
Army Extraordinaries.
Mr. HUME had urged, that for such reasons all
such services should be placed under the Board of
Ordnance.
Mr. F. PALMER said the Government had been led
into this expense, and it was now the duty of the House
to controul it.
Mr. MONCK adverted to the distresses of the
country, and opposed the grant. The House had le-

fined assistance to Ireland, bit was now about Is vole
trtis enormous sum to slime who did not ask it.

Mr. WARD thought that Government had selected
what, would ultimately trove the cheapest and beet
mode of defending the Cel net das. At this late period of
the Session, it was ni t necessary to go into details—it
was sufficient to vo e the main question.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought that -if they. Wire its
retain possession of c anada, and to support faith *with
the Colonies, the mode now recommended .woe .be
the most economical and efficient.
Mr. BENETT concurred Vi it II what had fallen front
the Honourable Member for Callingt in. He ihoogitt
it useless to expend such immense stints in a Colony that
would be soon able to act independently of the Warr
Country. Colonies were analogous to 'children, and
after they had grown to a cettain state, all that thepa-
rent could expect rif them was a friendly intercourse.,
and nct a condition cf. bondage.
Sir E. OWEN thought that C +nada had the greatest
intere•t in-preserving itself a 13iitish Colony. The pre=
posed fortifications would be rallying points of loyalty.
The question was then put and carried without a division.
The nest vote, that a sum not exceeding X 155,000 be granted
for improving, in 1828, the communication between Montreal and
Kingston, was.caried without a .division.

COIN'uRATI FAINDS
Mr. FYLER rose, on the Order of the Day for bringing to the
Report of the Corporate .Funds Bill, and opposed the BM, on/be
ground that it would interfere with !tested rights. The lionourabk
Member concluded by moviiig tiut the' repott be Immix to this
day three months.
Colonel Si BTIIORP also opposed the Bill. •
Mr. S. RICE was in favour of the Rill.
Mr. G: DAWSON opposed the Bill, and showed that the Sill
had been introduced upon something more than public motives.
Mr. 111 , Mr. D. GiLsaitv, and Mr. H. Gomm., supported
the Bill.

Mr. BA NKES opposed the Bill.
Mr. TRENT asked whether the Hon. Member for Limed*
was.prepared,to bring in a Hill to prevent the Catholic Association
front applying funds raised by subscription to J.:tertian purposes!
♦ •Corporation had as much rigbt to support Candidates as sag
Association whatever.
Mr. PALMER supported the Bill.
The House then divided—
For the Amendment
For receiving the Report

11
110

Majority for receiving the 'Report - —l9
The Saving Banks Bill and tbe Beer Bill passed through tato.,
mittees, and were ordered to he reported on 'Eburstlay.
The other Orders were disposed of, and the liottae•adjotarnad at
a QOaaTaa TO Two.

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I LOA Ifl )N.

WEDNESDAY. JULY 9, 1829.

STOCK EXCHANos,, TWELVE O'CLOCK.

Consols opened this morning at 88a 4 for she Account, and :ea
to Fx. Divid. Little business is doing at present. It is +aide
great deal of Stock was *O4l yesterday for the delivery to-day.
In the French Market Portuguese and Brazilian Bonds haw
lowered, in consequence of the state of affairs between Buenos
Ayres and Brazil. A great number of failures were daily taking
place at Buenos Ayres; and peace was not expected to take place
for some time to come, without the interference of the Deli
and French squadrons.
CITY, lIALF-PAST ONE O'CLOCK.

The Censol Market has been fluctuating during the morning
between 88* and 884 for the Account ; some Money Stock was
brought to market, which caused the heaviness of the market; few
purchases have since been made, and in consequence the market ba
rather improved. The price may now be quoted 864.
In the Foreign Market little doing, except In Portuguese al
Brazil Stock, which receded two per cent.
Letters from Vienna of the 29th ult. quote the Metalligats as
92i, in the evening 93.
PRICE OF STOCKS AT TWO O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock India Bonds 104
3 per Cent. Red. 87i 4 4 Old Annuities
3 per Ct. Cons. 874 61 iex Mt. New Ditto 961 cc div.
36 per Cent. '954 .Biooo Exclteq. Bills 69
54 per Cent. Red. 954 * £5OO I)ittn 69 70
4 per Ct. New, 1014 gex die. .8100 and £2OO Ditto 89 70
4 per Cent. 1826, 1041 / Advertised
Lung Ann. 194 11.16 Bank for Acct.
'lndia Stock Consols for Acct. 884
FORRIGN FTINI3S, TWO ()Wl.' /CK.
Brazilian Bds. 5 pCt. 85 t 4 S I Mez./3d5,1112.5,2p Ct.
DoAcct 63 94 3 2j 51 1 Do. Ate 41 40/
Ayres 114 h. 6p C. Portug. Bds. SpC.
De. 45 41 5 Do Acct. 60 59
Colon itmul. 6 per Ct. Ru55.8d5.1822,5 para. 9*
Du. Bo 3,1824,241 Do Aect. 939
Danish lid.. 3 pCt. French Rentes, 3 p Ct. 721
Do Acct. 614 t 8 Exchange 25130 E
BRITISH AND FOREIGN SHARKS, TWO O'CLOCK..
SHADE. PAID.
100 90 25
55 20 71 721$
100 2.24 1743#

Anglo "Alezican
Brazilian
Colombian

We cannot concur in the doct Ines broacbed by some
of the Opposition Members, in the course of the leg
debate upon the fortifications in Canada. It is con.
tended, that because those fortifications are very ek
pensive, and because certain differences have unfor-
tunately arisen of late in the Houses olf Assembly
between the Governor and the Members, that the time
is arrived when a separation would be beneficial boa*
the Mother Country and the Colony ; and it is gravely
recommended that some such proposal should emanare
Isom Great Britain, and be forwarded to Canada for
consideration there. Now, without entering into a genet
inquiry into the effects of colonization on the Parra:
State, but assuming that they are not, in this c ac''
tually prejudicial to Great Britain, it ought to be re-
membered that the locality of Canada with regard
to the United States makes the question a verf
different one from that of pkunds, shiliongs, and
pence with regard to ourselves. It can never be or
posed that the Canadas, if separated from us, wodA
become an independent State ; their interest is obviooli
to unite themselves Kith a richer and more advance)
nation, and to add one province more to the alio.
extensive territory of the United States. Upon col
principle that recommended the union of Scotland la
Ireland with England, such a junction would be detect
Arable to be advantageous to Canada. Can we tho
afford to make this sacrifice ? Can we afford to 'no'
with indifference' upon the retention of the Westin'/`'
Islands? We think not, unless we intend to abantla
our present influence in the New World. England
respected, not only as an European, but as an Amen'
can Power; and, independently of the collateral btu'
i
fits to our trade and shipping, our Western
is one of the securities of our greatness—peilialli 41'
our existence—as a first rate nation. 'rake away nu.:
Colonies one by one_rtrip us cf our Western, and nu'
of our Eastern and Southern possessions—and obit'
Great Britain, but a small cluster of islands, that wOOI
inevitably degenerate into a second or thud rate ewe'

t is for this reason that we protest against the notion,
of the policy of a separation from Canada ; grievances
exist there, it is true, but they ought to be carefully and
fully allayed ; the Houses of Assembly should be put
into good humour, and the grants for religious pur-
poses should be fairly distributed among all the sects,
and little dissatisfaction will exist at our Government.
The more important these dominions are, the greater
should be the anxiety to smooth over dissensions, by
complying as far as practicable with the wishes of the
Colonial Legislatures.

The following Letter has been received from the
Agent to the North and South American Coffee House,
rlzted Buenos Ayres, April 20.

We are anxiou,ly waiting the arrival of the Heron
sloop of war, from Rio Janeiro, to decide our fate either
for peace or war in the interior. Rumour is very busy
;n Buenos Ayres, and many think that peace is yet
-di,tant. The markets are somewhat upon the advance,
doublooni 43 dollars. Exchange upon England has
fallen from 23i to 19d. Mr. Fraser (attached to the
British Legation at Rio Janeiro) arrived here on the
11th instant, having had an interview with the
Imperial and Republican Generals in Rio Grande
(Lecor and Savallage) ; he departs this day in the
packet for Rio Janeiro. Nothing has transpired rela-
tive to his, mission. The Imperial army is in a sad state,
and its Commander, Lecor, a consummate -master
of intrigue—iihich,weapon he will use both with the
British mediators and his Republican foes. In fact, a
petition hasbeen got up at Monte Video, signed by the
Magistrates and others, soliciting the Emperor to con-
tinue the war, in order that the province may not be
severed from Brazil, and this will be put forth as the
opinions of the people; but a trick so stale and misera-
ble will hardly deceive any one. The Republican
army in Rio Grande consists of about 7,000 men,
mostly cavalry and good artillery : be assured they are
not the rabble, which their opponents denominate them.
The Brazilian Army is stated to be about 8,000 men :
they are inferior to their opponents in cavalry, but their
infantry is tar superior. The distresses in the mercantile
world still continue, and manufactured goods are nearly
at peace price, and no sales can be effected."

A Buenos Ayres and Brazil Mail arrived this morn-
ing, and brings Papers from the former place to the
Loth April. and from Rio to the 19th May, being eight
days later than the intelligence we gave yesterday from
that quarter. According to the different statements in
the papers, ks well as in private letters, the prospect of
peace between the two Powers appears to be as remote
as ever ; under these ciicumstantes trade was entirely
at a stand, and the Exchange at Buenos Ayres had
fallen t 3 19d. and at Rio to 3011—The following are
extrac ts :