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the public affection. There were constitutional,'
grounds on which hbionnd it imperative to object
to the principle which recognized in bls Majesty the,
appropriation of the surplus to himself. He might
ask. how could he dispose of these funds ?—utalta ppi y,
his Majesty had no children—there were mine neater
to hint than hii people.. Would he not, then, if well
advised; have gladly given them up? It was said,
however, that aneke casual revenues were Smiled:nes
noilied to thct discharge of debts incurred by mem-
bers of the loyal Family ; but, whatever feelinr
there might he in Parliament with respect to such
iielAs. arid however it might in some instances op-
pea tliliberal. and in others to have an air of justice,
at was His opinion that it was better to prevent the
incurring of those debts, by removing the induce-
ment. Then revenues were uncertain, sometimes
triding, at others enormous, it was the nature of
man to csalcu'ate on the highest amount, and to trust
to hisgood fortune for the most ample provision of
a fluctuating income. The Noble Earl (Liverpool)
had truly. stated that those Droita had, on former!
arrangements, been lefLwith the etown. That could
not prevent him, however, from objecting to a set-
tlement arowcd those casual revenues. to be
confounded and mixed up with the certain revenues'
of the.. Civil List. Ile looked upon that dcacieney
in former arrangements as qn omission which ought
to be repaired. NVlten a large Civil List B tablish-
inent was voted, the additional income of the Dwits
rendered it excessive; for when the sum voted was
amply sufficient for the expenses of the Crown, every
beyond that was in excess. The basis'of the
Civil Last um calculable—but here was an ammo. us
additional revenue which baled calculation. It was,
besides, contrary to the true spirit of the Constitutioqi
and that alone was -a powerful ground of objection.
The spirit of the Constitution was jealous, especially
in pecuniary matters. The harmony of the entire
State resulted fiomihe balanced opposition Of con.
'dieting powers. The Crown had the prerogative of
going to war, and Parliament had the power of re-
fusing the subsidies. But what was the effect of Abe'
revenue arising from the Droits ? Why, it contra-
dicted the fit.t principle of the National existence,
and afforded the Supreme Magistrate the means and
indUcement of going to war, not as an honourable
math. but in the character of a pirate, and thereby
exposed the Nation to dishonour and the most dread-
ful calamities. He did not object to the discretionary
application of a sum on the statement of the Noble
L'arl, as allowances for captors, and affording also
the means of prompt restitution to neutrals ; nor did
he deny that the general payments from the casual
IMids had been made with propriety, but he felt it
his duty to state thus much, to separate the practice
and.the principle. Although abuse had not been
comtnitted, the possibility of it should be prevented.
..Ile question was then put, and the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR declared that the sense of the House was
against the Amendment. A division was however
called for, and strangers were ordered to withdraw—
Cactents 18 Pro;ies 3 Total 21
Votb-caiteats .57 Proxies 24 "heal 81

• NL4orlty In faroir of Idrniiners -60
On the re.admisslon of strangers, Lord Elt..ENno-
ROUGH was on his legs moving an Amendment, which
was rejected withoo: a division.
Lord LIVERPOOL then moved a verbal Ainend-
ment, which wa.s agreed to. -
The Bill was then read a third time, and passed.

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Africa, which arts partly chatererikand pas* so.
vcteigpxan.o they conferred/to benefit whatever on
thii ediaittr. •• -
,The CH Al•,le ELLO or le EtCH F.Qi.J ER sai.",
that the prese.nt4 of this Petition*h
had been delayed
fur some tithe, li"&ause he wished to kOoW what was
th on proper course to be. pursued respecting the
• rs? In the meantime, a Report was to be
ma the Board of Admiralty, respecting the se-
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vera .naval stations along the coast ; besides, every
other information that could. be obtained respecting
the country would be sought for.. He should now in-
form the House, that it was the intention of Govern-
ment to lay before Varliament the necessity ot taking
the sovereignty of all the ports and stations along the
African Coast, and, taking away the powers of so-
vereignty which the Company now possessed. It *as,
however, thought proper to afford relict to the Com•
pa: y, in consideration of the sums they had expended
in works and other improvements on the coast. But
the administration of the Colonies Would hereafter bt '
under the direction of :he EXecutiie Government.
Mr. GORDON .replied, that what had just been
stated by the Right Ilonourable Gentleman seas per-
fectly
satisfactory to him.
The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table.'

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Mt. HOWE SUMNER rase: ngreenn, s 4.
notice, to bring thew it rof thg distres(2o
Agriculture was reduce • throughoUt the: RintPrh,
under the view of the House. He nished that
*men
queition of this ithportance bad been introdUced by
a Member whose opinions would have had greater,
aptharity than his ; that the Hon. Meinber for Esser!
had brought it forward, and given it. the weight of
his sanction. -For himself he would not have vett-,
tured to undertake the task, had he nut felt con-
vinced that the Agricultural interests of the country
were going. O ruin, And that unless Parliament in-1
tertered to arrest that calamity,' it ronld speedily
involve every class of the community in the same
misery. Whenever this subjeCt was broached in the
House, he observed it was said to be a gauntlet
thrown down for controversy, and that those Gentle-
men connected with manufactures and commerce
took it up as aimed at them, and gave every measure
of proposed relief their most active opposition
(Hear, hear).—He' declared that he had no design
against them. No man could be more entirely con-
vinced than he was, of .the close and intimate con-
nection that subsisted anmng these three great
branches, and of the truth that not one of them
could be injured without injury to the others. He
came forward, therefore, not to take away from
them, but simply to ask the Government and the
Legislature to take the condition of the Agricul-
turists into their consideration, as they had . before
done in 1815 ? At that period, upon an inquiry into
their situationnprotection had been extended to them,
and it was agreed that nothing less than the slim
'given', namely, 80s. could make it possible for the
farmer to go on and cultivate his land. The sole
object of the Petitioners now was, not to demand
on:ire than the House had-thus given them, as a re-
, muneration necessary to enable theM to bear up
against the evils of their condhion, but to make it
appear that the modes adopted to insure the desired
result had utterly failed, and to beg the House to
re-consider the question, and devise means for fill-
' filling own purpose. They wished their case to
be sent to a Committee, intending, no doubt, to fol-
low this up by proposing measures which should
afford them in reality the protection contemplated in
the first instance. The language of the Petitioners,
he would here'notice, was' throughout of the most
proper kind. They had beard of Boroughmonger-
ing factions, and clamours of that sort, but these do-
consents contained nothing allied to such outcries.
The Petitioners were loyal and well-affected men,
willing to bear their full share of the public burdens,
and to the utmost limits of their power. They knew
that if the war had entailed these burdens upon them,
it had also saved their lives and liberties, and all that
was left to them. If be thought they entertained
'different principles, they must have sought el.ewhere
for an advoCate. But it was replied by the manu-
facturer, our wants are equally pressing, and would
'be aggravated by a rise in the price of the products
of agriculture. Unless bread be cheap, we cannot
be able to speculate in foreign markets, and meet the
competition of foreigners. This cry of cheap bread
hai been the source of the greatest evils to the corm-
' try-, and to the manufacturers themselves. If they
looked for the cause of the general depression, and
for the remedy, it would not be necessary for him to
dwell on the distresses of the agriculturists. These
were notorious. Irony Gentleman observed the coun-
try from 1806 to 1814, he would notice, that during
that period, there had been a progressive improve-
Meat ; energy and activity were the sources of a
greatly increased cultivation and augmented pro.
duce. From the year 1814, the reverse had been
the case ; there had been a constant deterioration,
and last j'ear the decline was most rapid. This was
attributable to the same causes'as had induced the'
distress of other classes. A diminution of the war
expenditure, including fifteen millions of taxation
annually, besides loans, was one of considerable
un-
portance.. He was surprised that an Honourable
Member, whose talents on subjects of political econo-
my were so well known (Mr.' Ricardo), should have
advanced an opinion, that the Agriculturists were
not peculiarly burdened, and were consequently not
entitled to any peculiar belief. Was it not obvious
that the whole weight of the Church EstablAment.,
lay upon the laud-owners and cultivators? Of
eight-tenths of the poors'-rates they also bore the
charge. The county-rates tell Upon them, arid the
expense of the highways (exclusive of the turnpikes).
He 'wondered the Honourable Gentleman could en-
tertain a doubt on this matter; still, however, they
would be able to, stand their ground if not borne
down by the laws.professedly enacted for their pro-
tection. They only required to be protected against
foreigners, whom the burden of taxation pre-
vented their meeting fairly—(Hear, hear, hear!).—
Gentlemen may cry "hear," but he would not flinch
froth that debt which had been contracted res-
cuing them from the worst that could betel a. people.
It had been conceded on all hands that Wheat could!
nothegrownat less than 80s. But it could be 1
im-
ported from mosfparts of Europe at 365. or 375. and
might be obtained at one half the cost at which it
sou_ ld be produced at home. Then it was argued,
cfhere you-can get it cheapest. Was any Gen-
mattprepared' to 'look at
.the consequence of this
'chi-trine acted upon? That consequence ould be,
that all. the capital-employed in agriculture must be
thrown into other channels, we would become to-
tally dependent on foneignirs for the support of our
existence, and the country, a garden, would be con-
verted into a desert. Was this a state to wh:ch any
party of men would say we ought to be driven ? It
had stated that the average price of wheat had
been 78s. since the adoption of the measure of 1315,
but he maintained that these averages were lot:need
on fraud and deception from beginning to end.
Every person engaged in agriculture knew that when ,
they were made tonippear at 735. tliey were obi-:-
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,mg no more than 12s. in the Marker. The Pezi-
timiers induct prayed-for any specific remedy. They
had • only stated a• general grievance, and pledge
themselves, if admitted to the bar el the House-, Cr,
before a Committee,' to strew that tic provisions of :
the Act of 1815 were totally inefficient ; and that;
they had not been more relieved by that measure
than if it had norpassed. He should not pi entitle to
point out what means might allevi.ite the vifferings
of the Agriculturists, but would lease the important
task of devising them to the House. He tiien con-
tended, that the Petition lately presented by the
Aiming: for Taunton (7lr. Baring), coma; sic man -)

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,raisins and principles not Applitable to the subject.
lie could not much preiee the way in which it had
roes introduced to the House, for he considered that
As Cole object was to prejudice its oeinion, art! to
serie as an antidote to the Petitioe's presented by the
A:.r,iicultural Interest. If the Honourable Gentlemea
.fiy whom that Petition had been presented wished to
d se his objects he had badly succeeded; tor,
whenever lie had made any allusion to the Subject of
Agriculture, he had so far lost his discretion and
temper—(icar, hear, front the Oppo.s;:ion)—.hat it
had been impossible for him to neat those topics ;snit
civility.. The distresses of the Agrlculturists di. en(
have screened them fink: such treatment: Ile was
sorry he had trespassed so lung on the time of the
House, and feared he must term appeared tr have
lost the connection of what was more perfectly ese
ranged in his mind when he had entered s bnt he
should now at once come to his motion, which was;
'I That the several Petitions presented to the Houseoa
the subject of Agricultural Distress be referred to a
Select Committee to consider the matter thereof, and
report thereon,"
Mr. GOOCH having the honour to represeet a
great agricultural county, Thought it due to his con-
stituents to state the grounds on which he should en-
cond this motion: He conceived that nothing conll
be more mischievous than an attempt to seilrate the
interests of agriculturists fano those of other cheeses.
He did not deny that circumstances might have im-
pressed upon his mind a bias in fr.vour co; agriculture,
but he should be the last man to injure one class of
individuals to put money into the pockets of another.
The Bill passed in 1615 had fixed the importa.iOn
price at eighty shillings, but it was e, iini:erative,
that, instant of producing an average of eighty
shillings, the average did not rise beyond ses enty-two
shillings. This was occasioned by the average I,ei.:g
taken from the merchants who bought corn. and not
from the farmers who sold it ; by the adniissien of
certain districts where little corn was grt.wa, and by
the addition of the freight to the price of corn. Al
he should demand was, that the Bid of 1615 should
be made complete to the purposes for which it was
passed. Agriculture was now cetined to the same
attention paid to it by our ancestors. But how w:ts
it possible for British farmers, labouring seder Ihe
weight of taxes—{Hear, hear,froat the OrpositioA
to compete with the foreign farmer who paid no enni
taxes? He did not pretend to decide on the p:.:-
piety of heavy taxes, though, in his opinion, tine
were necessary, and the coontry could not do win,-
out them ; but he was certain that they could not ire
paid unless some protection should be given to In-
mers, or the rents should be lowered—(Hear, hear).
Without some remedy the agriculturists would be ea-
able to afford env share of support to the Revet:ue.
Mr. F. ROBINSON regretted that it should be-
tome his duty to address the House, under a degree
of indisposition which must prevent him from doing
to the subject that justice which its importance me-
rited—(Heer, hear).—He heretofore threw himselfc a
the indulgence of the House. Amongst the multn
farious questions which arose in these times, there
was none which he conceived ought to he treated
with more caution and less frequency than that which
his Honourable Friend had this night brought before
the Howe—{Hoer, heart)—ln all questions cornice-
ted'with the subsistence of the People, -them was so
much of interest, so mach of prejudice and appre-
hension, that it involved a most important considera-
tion, whether such a topic should be entertainer.' ?
He confessed, that he felt 'great regret that his Ho-
nourable Friend should have introduced the subject
to the House. It was not yet two Yeats since !tiled
felt it his duty, and his colleagues in the tiovern-
meat had been of the same °Onion, to state that he
did not think it • necessary to alter the Corn Laws.
He had said so, because so unequivocal a declare-
tion on the part of Governtient would, he though:,
prevent any interference with the subject. Such, in-
deed, had been the result obtained last year; but a
different course had since been adopted. It was
known that great pains had been taken in all parts
of the country to impress farmers with the opinion
that the Corn Bill had not been operative. Associations
had been formed, to collect, as it were, the whole
Agricultural' mind into one focus, and to induce it to
send a Mass of Petitions to that House. But in the
Manifestoes, for he could not call them otherwise,
issued by an individual whose name was sd conspi-
cuousia those transactions, the case was stated in a
most aggravated manner—(Hear, hear). lie did not
say, that great distress might nth exist, but he might
be allowed to express a doubt as to the universality of
us operation. He had lately heard with pleasure a
Noble Lord (Lord Lascelles) declare, that in his county
such distress did not exist. Round !tinned lie did
not see it. lie did not see tenants leaving their tarries,
rents in arrear, or Poor Rates increasing—( Hear).—
But because he did not 'see all this around him, he
did not deny its existence in other places. Thet
would be as absurd, as if it was for those who wit-
nessed the spectacle of distress in their neighbour-
hood, to assume that it was universal. Not denying
the existence of distress, it became necessary to con-
sider its cause, and the remedy which might be ap-
plied. Its immediate cause was certainly to be
found in the reduction of price, and tie diminutica
of demand; but the House would err in the appli-
cation of a remedy, if it did not look narrowly at
the cause which had produced- that reduction of
price. It could not have been created by any defect
'in the Corn Lawn and therefore could not be reme-
died by their. alteration.. The extent and the nature
of the events of the late war were,: he conceived, the
first cause of the present rctinction of price. The conse-
qnences of that war had,in some countries, destroyed
capital. In this, they had produced an accurna-*
Ilation of it, which created a fictitious incite:se of
trade, manufactures, and aerie:thane beyond all
natural proportions. Capital had thus been applied
to the cultivation of the soil in' a matner which
would never haee been done under other ciecria:-
' stmces. The result was, that land had beets euiti-
nrated, the bad quality of which would not hey:,
' paid in other times. there ergs no lan:!, however
inferior it might be, which could not be made to
produce corn, if stifficient espense in nosaure ens
incurred. tint would any one say that Legislative
enactments should be passed -to retain stunt land ia
cultivation? this lion. Ft iced had charged the lee:
of 1815 with hiving proved ineffective, beceuse it
had' not produced a pa ice of 80s. to tie nerirets ; but
this view of the law was very different nom that
which ire (Mr. Rubinsonl entertaiaed when be i to-

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tae public affection. There were constitutienal vereigregated they conferrestto tette& whatever •oti
grounds on which hkafoand it imperative to object thtti eMantrg. •• -
to the principle which recognized in bls Majesty. the
apropriation of the surplus to himself. He might
ask. how could he dispose of tliesefunds?—utiliappil ,The CH AIs,ICELLO
that the present• . a .
or le E2tCIIF.Qi.JEIt. sai?i, .
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notice, to bring the its it tlf dig distress's°. et..c
' Airicaltnre was reduc let thiougho6t the: Iffintibvh „it 1
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• oft is Petition had been delayed 'Under the view of the House. He Wished that it
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• ktruisms and principles not applicable. to the sublect.
fa h "been introduced to the House, for he considered that
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y, for some tittle, li&ause he wished to krtow what was qu.estigo of this ithportance had been introduce by . ,
a-p.m.-ark to, his lie could not much praise the way in which it had
, Its colt object was to prejudice its oeinion, tee! to
serie as an antidote to the Petitions pi e,entod Ilsy the
Agricultural Interest. If the Honourable Gent,eman
that Petition had been presented wished to .* 0—
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his Majesty had no children—there were none neater th en proper course to be. pursued respecting the a Member whose opinions would here had greater , baY whom
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he had badly succeeded; for,
to him than bii people.. Would he not, then, if well ' rs? In the meantime, a Report was to be antharity than his; that the Hon. Menthe:- for Esser! -chsgtrise his object,
advised: ham gladly given them up? It was said, ens . the Board of Admiralty, respecting the se- had brought it forward, and given it the weight of whenever he had made any allusion to the Subject of
however, that tneke casual rebenties were Sometimes very naval stations along the coast; besides, every his sanction. -For himself he would not have vets- • .
Agriculture, he had so far lost his disc:etion and
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nOplied to the discharge of debts incurred by mem- other information .that could. be obtained respecting tured to undertake the task, had- he nut felt con-
_temper—(icar, hear, from the Oppo.s;lum)--..hat it
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hers of the loyal Family ; but, whatever teelina the country would be sought for, He should now in- vinced that the Agricultural interests of the country had been impossible for him to treat those topics ..sit-ii
there might h..: in Parliament with reepeet to such form the House, that it was the intention of Govern- were going
.to ruin, And that unless Parliament in- civility.. The distresses of the Agilculturisti sh. aid
have screened them horn such treatment: Ile was
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sigiAsl. and however it might in some instances ap• ment to lay before Parnament the necessity of taking terfered to arrest that calamity,' it wiaild speedily
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. pear Illiberal. and in others to have an air of justice, the sovereignty of all the ports and stations along the involve every class of the community in the same sorry he had trespassed so long on the time of the
it was his Opi2loll that it was better to prevent the Mikan H
an Coast, and. taking away the powers of so- misery. Whenever this eubject was broached in the House, and feared he must hate appeared t( liav-
iticitrring of those debts, by removing the induce- vercignty which the Company now possessed. It Was, House, he observed it was said to be a gauntlet lost the connection of what was more perfectly as,
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ment. When revenues were uncertain, sometime however, thought proper to afford relief' to the Com. thrown down for controversy,
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triding, at others enormous,- it was the nature of pars y, in consideration of the sums they had expended men connected with manufactures and commei ce ,
man to csilcii!ate on the highest amount, and to trust in works and other improvements on the coast. But took it up as aimed at them,and gave every measure ratified in his mind when he had entered; bnt he
should nOw at once come to his motion, which was;
That the several petitions presented to the House oa
the subject of Agricultural Distress be referred to a
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.good fortune for the most ample provision of the administration of the Colonies Would het eafter be of proposed relief their most active opposition—
a fluctuating income. The Noble Earl (Liverpool) under the direction of :he Select Committee to consider the matter thereof, asid
Ekccutiie GOVernment. (Hear, hear).—He• declared that he had no design
i had truly. stated that those Droitt had, on former Mr. GO.RDON.replied, that what had just been against them. No man could be more entirely con- report thereon."
arrangements, been left...with the Crown. That could stated by the Right Ilonourable Gentleman seas per- vinced than he was, of .the close and intimate con- Mr. GOOCH having the honour to represeit. a
not prevent him, however, from objecting to a set- feetly satisfactory to him. nection that subsisted annlng these three great great agricultural county, ihought it due to his con-
tlemeut Which :allowed those cAanaf revenues. to be The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table. branches, and of the truth that not one of them stituents to state the grounds on which he should ni-
i confounded end mired up with the certain revenues ' CIVIL LIST. • could be injured without injury to the others. lie cond this motion, He conceived that inothing cte.,ll
t, be more mischievous than an attempt to sepgrate tire:
of the Civil List. He looked upon that deacieney A Message from the Lords.announced their Lord- came forward, therefore, not to take away from
interests of agriculturists fano those of other te-saes.
t in founts!. arrangements as qn omission which ought ships' yr-mt.:ll:a to several Private Bills, and to the them, but simply to ask the Government and the
List He did not deny that circumstances might have iiii- '
Legislature to take the condition of the Agricul-
to be repaired. ' \Veen a large Civjl List It. coldish- Civil List Bill, with an Amendment. • .
pon his mind a bias in favour o: agi icultu re,
Ment was voted, the additional income of the Dwits On. the Motion of Lord CASTLEREAGH, the twists into their consideration, as they had . before pressed u
but he should be the last man to injure one class of
. rendered it excessive; fur when the wen voted was Amendment was read. It consisted of an addition of done in 1815 ? At that period, upon an inquiry into
iindividuals to put money into the pockets of another.
antis. Sufficient for the expenses-of the Crown, every seven hundred pounds, to a sum total errodernisly their situation, protection had been extended to them,
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The Bill passed in 1615 had fixed the importa.kon
Flii lintv beyond that n-as in excess. The besis'of the ad&ed torrctlier in the schedule, but without making and it was agreed that nothing less than the slim
Civil Litt u% calculable—but here was an enormous arly alteration in the items. given, namely, 80s. could make it possible for the price
that, instuai
eighty shillings, but it was s•i iini.etative,
additional revenue which haled calculation. 'twos 'Lord MILTON doubted if the House should agree Lanier to go on and cultivate his land. The sole of producing an average of eighty
besides, contrary to the true spirit of the Constitutioqi to this as a mattes' a coarse, and without a rave object of the Petitioners now was, not to demand shilljngs, the average did not rise beyond se% enty-twO
atal that alone was a powerful ground of objection. communication with; the "Lords- The House wag'. more than the House had-thus given them, as a re- shillings. This was occasioned by the average I-•ei.:g
The spirit of the Constitution was Jealous, especially ieonstitutiimally very jealous with regard to :theme, muneration necessary to enable there to bear up taken from the merchants who bought corn. and not
• in pecuniary matters. The harmony of dm entire tions in a Money Bill„und it would be well to guard against the evils of their condition, but to make it from the farmers who sold it ; by the admission of
State resulted from. the balanced opposition Of, cell.' against may lax precedent. appear that the modes adoptod to insure the desired certain districts where little corn was 14town, and by
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'dieting powers. The Crown had the prerogative of Lord CASTLEREAGH toil cided in this• prin. result had utterly failed, and to beg the House to the addition of the freight to the price of corn. All
going to war, and Parliament had the power of re- ciple, but did not think itlavolimid' what was evi- re-consider the question, and devise means for fill-
he should demand was, that the Bill cf 1615 should
l fusing the subsidies. But what was the effect of the' dently a mere clerical error. - Any objection, how- Rill:lib Own purpose. They wished their case to
revenue arising from the Droits ? Why, it contra- ever, would be obviated by making an entry to that be sent to a Committee, intending, no doubt, to fol- passed. Agi
dieted the firat principle of the National existence, ,ef egt in their Journals. . low this up by proposing measures which shoeld be made complete to the purposes for which it ins;
icultnre was now ciii.h.led to the same
attention paid to it by our ancestors. hat how w.is
)1 and afforded the Supreme Magistrate the means and Mr. WYNN having expressed a similar opinion, the afford them in reality 'the protection contemplated in it possible for British farmers, labouring urdr ;he
1, • indUcement of going to war, not as an honourable SFEAK6II explained the nature of the mistake, and the first instance. The language of the Petitioners, weight of fazes—{Hertz, hear, from the Orpositio4)—
1 inau, tut in the character of a pirate, and thereby the Commons' agreement to the Amendment was re.. he would here-notice, was' throughout of the most to compete with the foreign farmer who paid no -1:::i
exposed the Nation to dishonour and the most dread- corded accordingly. Iproper kind. They had heard of Borouglimonger- taxes ? He did not pretend to decide on the p:.:-
.
priety of heavy taxes, though, in his opinioci tllc7
ful calamities. He did not object to the discretionary, SCOTCH LAW COURTS. • Ling factions, and clamours of that sort, but these do-
cunients contained were necessary, and the country could not do will-,
tipplication of a sum on the statement of the Noble Lora A. HAMILTON said, that he believed lbe CoMMIs- nothing allied to such outcries.
L'arl, as allomances for captors, and affording also ,;on iii,pointed to inquire into the state of the Law Courts of The
Petitioners were loyal and well-affected men, out them ; but he was certain that they could not inc
the mewls of prompt restitution to neutrals ; nor did Scotland had ceased to exist, somewhat prematundir, and with- willing to bear their full share of the public burdens, paid unless some protection should be given to a:-
hef out exee.uting its duties. 'He wished to know front the Noble and to the utmost limits of their power. They knew mers, or the rents should be lowered—(Hoar, hearl.
deuy that the general payments from the casual
Lord (C.astiereagh) If this were the fact, and if Goverament
that if the war had entailed these burdens upon them, Without some remedy the agiiculturists would be n::-
his
fuUds had been made with pioprietys but he felt it
his duty to state thus much, to separate the practice
411 . d the principle. Although abuse had not been
comMitted, the pritsibility of should be prevented..
The question was then put, and the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR declared that the sense of the House was , q
aiust the Amendment. A division was however ' estion to him to-morrow. he wonli answer
Sir JAMES °lsBl
called for, and strangers were ordered to withdraw— second rending„
Cantents la Proxies 3 Total Li
Von-contents ST Proxies as Total Si
• Mi)ority In favour of ildrniisters
On the re .admission of strangers,
Lord ELLE.
moon was on his legs moving an Amendment,
was rejected withou: a division. Nee-
which
counc'c-
Lord LIVERPOOL then moved a verbal Ainend- were inclined to lay before the House the correepondence be-
tween the Secretary of State for the Home Department and the
Board ? If trot, he should feel it root imperative On him to
submitda motions for, the production. of thineipapers..
the
ut. C. r TL.1.1,11..16 II said, if the Noole Lord would put -
TAPgictill:NalElsTriOT 'MOTIONS. .
postponed till Monday the
of his three 'Bills to alter the Criashial Gab. 01
On that night he would take the whole subject into view.
Lord CA STLEHE A G H postponed till to-mornaw the second
—6O reading of the 'Alien Act.
. FINANCE.
Mr. M ABERLEY Wished to put a question tb tie Illiabt•
Honourable Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ile was desirous to it bad also saved their lives and liberties, and all that
was left to them. If be thought they entertained
'different principles, they must have sought etewhere
for an advocate. But it was replied by
the manu-
facturer, our wants are equally pressing, and would
'be ae ravated by a rise in the price of the products
r bg
agriculture. Unless bread be cheap, we cannot
be able to speculate in foreign markets, and meet the
competition of foreigners. This cry of cheap bread
hai been the source of the greatest evils to the coon-
- • tins and tothe s , manufacturers themselves. If they
looked for the cause of the general depression, and
be informed what was the state •of the balanoe.on the Co. oil- for the remedy, it would not be necessary for him to
dated Pond np to Jannaty, and how the Right lion. Gentleman, dwell on the distresses 1 •
of
tle agricu tunsts. able to afford any share of support to the Itevci:ue.
Mr. F. ROBISON regretted that it should be-
`come his duty to address the House, under a degree
of indisposition which must prevent him from doing
to the subject that justice which its importance me-
rited—Weer, hear).—He heretofore threw himselfea
the indulgence of the House. Amongst the mult
farbus questions which arose in these times,. there
was noae which he conceived ought to he treated
with more caution and less freqoency than that which
his Honourable Friend had this night brought befoi e
the House--(Heur, hear])—ln all que/tions
tedWith the subsistence of the People, -them was so
i • These much of interest, so much of prejudice and appre-
hension, that it involved a most important considera-
spent, which was agreed to. - bag:Usti to provide for the interest of the Lomas of which no.' were notorious. Ifany Gentleman observed the coun-1
'The Bill was then read a third time, and passed. lice had been given? .
from 1806 to 1814, he would notice, that during tion, whether such a topic should be entertaine2 ?
The CHANCELT.OP. of the EXCHEQUER replied,. that try
Ile confessed, that he felt 'great regret that his Ho- i
• . EXTENAIobT or voariee TRADE.
the first question was a matter of account which the Honourable that period, there had been a progressive improve-
Thil Marquis of LANSDOWN moved for a varies; a Do-
outman might readily ascertain; acrd with regard to the meat ; energy and activity were the sources of a nourable Friend should have introduced the subject
to the House. It was not yet two years since he ad
es-e-gs nastive to the existirg Proldbitions and Ihnies 02 the ud he begged to be excused from answering a question of ereatly increased cultivation and augmented pro- -
.• hick of Foreign Merchoudize, and on ctruiu Exports,
teat kind, especially
ousc.. when a very few days would !midi it fully ..
felt it his duty, and his colleagues in the tiovern-
-1 which were ordered.
before the it duce. From the year 1814, the reverse had been
mein
On the Motion of the Noble Marqui. Lord Hillsborough and Sir. MAR-JAMEY thought it important that the state of the the case ; there had been a constant deterioration,
, , ,
did not think it necessary to alter the Cm-n Lases.
had been of the same oeinion, to state that he
Lard Beauchamp were :radix! to tin. Select Cenuttittee, and then r midoted Fund sien.i. be distinctly uuderatood before the and last jean the decline was most rapid. This was
He had said so, because so ueequivocal a declare-
. the House Adjourned. -
Right lion. Gentleman brought on his anneal measures, and attributable to the same causes'as had induced the
i HOUSE OF COMMONS.
tion on the part. of Govennient would, he theuealg,
would move certain Resolutions to that eifecz.
distress of other classes. A diminution of the war
Prevent any interference with the subject. Such-, in-
. lay.i, 31airriN. of Galway, and sevtral other Members, took Sir JOHN NEWPORT complained that the Accounts rola-
,
the oaths And their siots. Live to Ireland were not yet before the House, though they expenditure, including fifteen millions of taxation P
deed, had been the result obtained last year; but a
As soon os thin; were 100 Members present; the House pro- ought to have been produced in March. annually, besides loans, was one of considerable urn- deed,
course had since been adopted. It was
ceded to ballot for Committees to try the merits of the*Petitious Mr. MABERLEY then moved for account of the ortance. .He was surprised that an Honourable
known that great pains had been taken in all parts
esalase the Returns fur bishop's Conle, Galway Town, and of the Consolidated Fund on the sthof January, 1817, of thues
member, whose talents on subjects of political econo-
f the country to impress farmers with the opinion
eallington. The panics of Members appointrd to constitute shang,,,,, and of th deficiencies,
e any; orlike accounts for
these Committees appeared to be as follow,: the years ending the sth of January, 1138, 1819, and Imo- my were so well known (Mr.' Ricardo?), should have P
Foe. Risuoe's CAsil.t—Sir J. P. Cotterell, Sir G. Feather- and for accounts of the Total Funded and Unfunded Debt '
at advanced an opinion, that the Agriculturists were that
had been formed, to collect, as it were,
stone, 7Thomas Glover, Esq.. S. Wortlec. Eq. Lord Stanlvf, the um; p..,,,,!.•
not peculiarly burdened, and were
.consequently not the Corn Bill had not been operative. Associations
Agricultural' mind into one focus, and to induce it to
V. E. asowsa, use. Hop. H. WestonraY, H. Brewett, • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEIZUER said, these
entitled to any peculiar telief. Was it not obvious the whole
send a mass of Petitions to that House. But in the
It, lintc4,El. lion. It. Fiz•ihbor.. W. Lewis. Esq. W. . Ac-olults s: are all new &Imre the House. .
Stourhy, Esq. C. Brunulow,°E.sq. Sir.M. W. Ridley, Rig t it ti •
Mir. . is LEY replied, that they were not in a form that the whole weight of the Church EstablAments
Manifestoes, for he could lion. Sturges &wine. sufficiently distinct to satisfy him on which no further oppod- lay upon the laud-owners and cultivators? Of
issued by an individualwhno
clot call
nam name .vas
odtherwise.,
•
I rue tauear—a. Russell, Esq. J. &staid, Esq. T. Whit-
more, II:41., T: Corfield, Esq. C. Chapman. Fosq. -IL Macteith, .ticu was c.re`" red to his motions.4Agreed to. eightstenths of the poors'-rates they also bore the
cuousia those transactions, the case was stated in a
charge. The county-rates fell Upon them, arid the as s cotsspi- ,
PETITIONS.
most aggravated manner—(He.ir, hear). lie did not
rag. Ttesnaas Wilson, Esq. Sir F. Knateahull, T. Tyrwhitt,
The House wafocctipied for more than an hour in receiving
expense of the highways (exclusive •of the turnpikes).
say, that great distress might not exist, but he might
I ' Esq. W. 11. tinton, Esq. C. J. Grenvihe *Esq. .13C:c1 Mont-
Petitions from various parts, stating.the distrese of the Agricul-
i gumery. Esq. Hon. G. Towilshend, J. Id:Barry, Esq... coral lizserers, and praying foeconslieration and- relief. Others He wondered the Honourable Gentletnan could en-
be allowed to express a doubt as to the universality of
1 , Foe Cautaircron...-Sir J. W. Powlett, J. Wells, ha" W.
irons. ; iitou_actairing Districts and Commercial Bodies were also tertain a doubt on this matter ; still, however, they
its operation. He had lately s Marton, Esq. General Gascoyno. Ewf Bective. R. Hare. Es 4.
Noble Lord (Lord Lascelks) declare
1,: A. I.lleberts, Esq. J. A. Hodson, Eat Sir Er O'Brien, . Pre" !%1' Cl.t. PnYeft °I. were ba ihe t'etn6"l °f tra4lll4 would be able to, stand their ground if not borne
down by the laws.professedly enacted for their pro- heard with pleasure a
i; Mackenzie, I:sq. . Alpon, lase. J. th nil., Esg. W. Burial, restrictions!". and Klaca.t any attaratkitis in She Corn/L.IITM—
! The following were in &vow of the Agriculturists:
pre_ not see it. He did not seetenants 1 •'
, that in his county-
. .L,s' q, Lord Folkestone, 11. Goulburne t!sq.
' . hit. Sheriff borilweer. pretented a Yetition freer the Contoion . From Farmers and Landowners in Sussex; prmented by ttEtiOn.
Mr. Ceauts.. They Only iced to be protected against such distress did not exist. Round himself lie did
foreigners, whom the burden of taxation
rents in arr'ear, or Poor Rates increasing—( Hear).—
i (snarl]_ of the City of London. praying for Parliamentary
From similar classes iu Benvickshire, complaining chiefly of Yenta their meeting fairly—(fiear, hear, hear .9.--
But because he did not geeall
tearing theirt:in/Is,
I , Reform..-. The Petition was teal, ordered' to lie on the table,
did not deny its existence in other and to be printed. the ininner in which the averages were made our ; presented by Gentlemen may cry " hear," but he would not flinch
would be as absurd, as if it was for thane Another Petition was presented from the Cominon Council Lord Bi"LNICI.. this around him, Inc
From various Hundreds of Essex ; by Mr. Wismar, Mr. front that de)st which had-been contracted -in res-
nessed the spectacle of distress '
i ; against th: Grand Junction Carol lii'd.
' cuing them' from the worst that could betel a.people. places. That
.111 e Vssex Q.aarter Sessions all, which has for its object the Srelarr. and Sr Itu-43'lbeat".
• From Derbyshire, Halleigh in Sidrolli, Caqihriiiiiiihire, It had' been conceded on all hands that Wheat could
to assume that it was universal. Not de -•
ose who wit-
• •
•it;vision.of the Quarter Sena ota between
. Colchester and Chelons- in their neighbour-
ogstasdaguos read a first anst see sad time. In•the course of a *bort F.Qrvi"lll 9`lFe4gcrat;re' "dingtc,itireti ___•*"ners.eglaarei. notisegrownat less than 80s. But it could be im- I hood to
the existence of distress, it became necessary to con-
sider its cause, andthe remedy 1 C.lall . 3 \Alia, took Ooze respectior It be
Mr. Mtn. s'Nu.t'wert:).3l,k*rprbi.'cahgceetric'errth, W.;thfikatir°e6el:Plcidhento,a,o4mlieryadre'`lgreesgitiLandikilteru: ported from mosfparts of Europe at 365. or S':s. and der. is •
l• , sox. Mt. 1). W. Massy, and Mr. Watsicas, the two latter
found in the reduction ofprice, and
,; i; ti.s.thmen'doclared astir intentlee of opposing the Bill in it, fire Potions -from Berks, the Wagers of 14,000 Acres to might be Obtained at one half the cost at which it
could be produced at home.
• Then it was ar ued Plied. its i ediate cause was certainly to be
of demand;
ix.% stc..ges, at illy.' contrary Ida the wish of the majority of Surrey, from EccLshall; iut'velre4 h3P.Sir 'J. - Soeculke.• Ike.
get it where you can get it cheapest. Was any Gen-g ,
but the House would err in the appli-
tue ....aeasteites and inhabitants of the Count of Evict. al wine: were received, and ordered lobe laid.on the table.
at
.the consequence of this
. , Nl's. IntoucitA m btesseat imp a Bill for enabling certair. The Petitions Gran Opposite nature were,: . tie diminutica
it ►I Ph:metals the Island of Autisua to remove a censin number'oflemaaprepared ' loot One from Great Tanneuth, prayieg thit the resided:ma upon
doctrinet
grade sho::.d be removed.- - - if acted Upon ? That
lii isair Slaves:rem that Island to the Continent of Synth .i...nc-consequence .
would be, cation of a remedy,if it did
I . i.a.--Road a first time. 4... Pea.tion presentcd.by Ir. Rim/Igoe from Wm. Anderson, that all the capitahemploved in • •
agriculture must be the cause which had produce 4 that reduction of
..‘ll. BROUGHAM postyoned his motion on tie State of of Norw'th.. thg IrtkF: of which was, that all the laws proldbi-
thro- ' into 'other channel'
s, we would become to- price. It could not have been created by any defect
I,..ilizatiaii =one the Poor till Thersday fortnight, by Will'eli tire of the free br.portAkin order* sLould he repealed. •-
! i.lte the Report of the Committee would be printed. The Hun. • A FititloziLfrira Wolverhamptor, tirisentedby Mr. tans. tally dependent on. fofeignirs for the support of our -in the Corn Laws) and therefore could not be rerne-
-3 .4;:lahrr also postponed his 100t100 on the subject of the Scotch Test+ cc-
-op:sizing of the distress of the 'lron Trade, add praying existence, and the country, a garden, would be con- died by their-'
alteration. The extent and the nature
..:6,.! t....urt till the tQtk mi June.. Au oriwon has: tune ahrultd, tae.Hou comaeke iato considenition a liberal system of tante- verted into a desert. Was this a state to if h of the ss g any events of the late war sere, •he conceived, the
tan: in this moSon he intended an nun:. on indivialuels lirl‘mg. stral C 4 rce•
tag to tht.i.! ousts; he now ditclatincsl any such intention ;be A .sishilet; Polder. from Walsall. . party of men would say we ouaht to be driven ? It
,ht first causeof the - •..
.2.14 nut ere, memi,nt the namti, of thew 1,,,,,,0, i,,di„i. A Petirion'from the Parish of Kithheaton. presentkdby Lord had been stated that the average price of wheat had craences of that war liad,iii some countries, destroyea
eials. Ills motion was aka.- 41 iialast the coaduct of kla Oia. Mitant, which,:kii Lordship stated, sotiminet a fact well worth' been 78s. since the adoption of the measure o-ISI -capital.ln
r a, this, they
had produced an accumag
•
i via ausisters may.. • the ant:miens:if Parliament. It was the .Petition of en families, but he maintained that these averages were foaaaaa lation of it, which created a fictitious increese of
• AFRICAN' COMPANY. . consisting a l 725 indis.duals • sad it stated, that such was the s ,0
II: - Mr.GLADSTONE presented a Petit' ion from the
eornpaay of bletchauts trading to the Coast of tw:ctccaccineofil 0..
I' their conditicr owirs to the decline of the
manufactures ill which they Vt." "'rated, that he on fraud and deception from beainning to end.
Every person engaged in agriculture knew-that when , natural pro *
'venire of their eafaingi ft: fuer-years-had been no mnre Than they were made Lose. ppear -at 'r 3s. they were obt•ue 'to the cultivation
trade, manufactures, and agriculture
portions. Capital h b.. - d all
~ -.son
had thus bee; applied
of the soil in' a manner which
•
Afric.s, trayiag for pecuniary aiti, den revere threrfilifinset Per 'tl^l .1 HIS . LordshlP asked the ing no more than 10s. in the in
•
Mr. GORDON said, he hoped that, before the tietittlenaen Who hid laid In ricnk-ral 'tete:fleets of distress. be-
!. -arker. The Pcii- would never have been done under other circita:-
fnee
tile
volts,.
irth
etittid
,iee.„ll2.liiin
to
o.a.ttio tioners had not prayed•for any specific remedy. They seances. The• , result u as, that land had been, ciiiti-
I fon.* took any step towards a
,compliance with thc A Petition ' PT
I •''• g " 1•d ' l . braced .d ' from. Gulasltiela a Eleeten from-Diiedee 'and 14 un y stat a• gener grievance, and pledge voted, the bad quality of which • P
won ‘, not h.tve
Friper of this Petition, that the Government would another from the Linen 'Manufacturers there. d sinltatlPkti- themselves, if admitted to the bar ' .
the H -paid •other '
et ouse, er, , in times. there lyres no San', however'
tie' it to baits duty to give the subject the most se- 141 i hoed lizbefae- Upon these .Mr. MaSent.e. intimated that before a c • • '
ommittee, to spew that the provisions of inferior it might be, which
r; :;L:i consideratieb. Time Petitioners wanted no less ,be sh"td-PrTes" a uleilturs an Willa faturedall, to aid
th• the Act of 7015 were totall • i
a sum than 1:25,000, out of _the public' money; awl. tidesLinkls Trade she protection to which it was entitled brae. Ar..
of the Union. they had not been more relieved WC ICI 'eta •• that i reduce torts if suffi i - •
ieved b • that measure
. and i , 1 • C cat es cox in or:inure s..is
incurred. But would any our sathat
y Legislative
i. would be fit to determine how far they were en- A' Petition front tivErPeol, Prtsentrti II Genial Gaitorkita, thad if it had nor as!cd. He should)
t :led to it. The factories on the Coast of Africa, with whi mentioned, tlatstlet Mil bad devolved upon Lim inn6tise- point out what :taus might' His Ito
alleviate the atilierings cultivation. lion. Friend had charged the hiv:
s.hich these Petitioners were eenpeeted, had for a ' c'2" " it'' "'"l'divc*itima of big itiglit Lb°. C4liar°' of the Agriculturists, but would lease th •
.
(Mr. Catmint). IS lies rite &last client as Om Ltiatioli Ner-•,e important .of 1ta1.5 with hiving proved ineffective, because it
• i see t:me .b:en managed by persons who were ie no s al, .task of devising them to the II
,c .an:, comes, and opt
• • ' riled &free trade to India euse. He tiuen con- ha/ not produced ap • I lice o 80s. to tne firireis ; but
P •
3 ..-sfect I....d'er the ccratroul of Government ; they ~., a del:rask. object. . [tended, that the Petition lately•
presented by the this view of the law was very different nom that
t• at ete, a: ta.: setae time, exercising an authority la tell these Pe.iitosis were received, eat laid en the table. Alern'oer for Taunton (7ilr. Baring), coutaist,l '
many which he (fir.
Rubinson) entertaiaed when be i to-
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