Star.
London, England, 1817-06-21 00:00:00

SUSPINSION OF THE HABEAS CORPUS ACT.

A Message from the Lords announced that their
Lordships had passed this bill.

Lord ALTHORPE said, he hoped it was not in-
tended to press the first reading of this Bill, till the
Report of the Secret Committee of the House had
been presented. •
Lord cAsTLEREAGH—If it were agreeable
to the Noble Lord and to the House, he would have
wished that the Bill should now be read a first time, I
but he had no wish to press this, and as the Noble Lord
did not seem to wish it, he would only now give
notice, that he should move the first reading of the
Bill on Monday, as it was likely the Report of the
Secret Committee would he presented this night.
Mr. PONSONBY—For one, he should oppose the
Bill in the very first stage.

Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY rose to present a pe-
tition from the town et Kingston upon Hull, against
the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act. It was
signed by 1400 most respectable persons, Merchants,
Bankers, and others. They implored the House, in-
stead of employing the remainder of the Session to
pass a Bill to suspend the liberties of the subject,
rather to employ it in inquiring into, and remedying
public abuses, with the view of diminishing the pub.
lic expenditure.

The Petition was brought up and read. On the
question that it do lie on the table—

Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON rose to pro-
test against the intended continuance of the Suspen-
sion. As he would not have an opportunity of at-
tending in his place next week, he ahould be guilty
of a neglect of his duty if he did nut take this op-
portunity of delivering his sentiments on so important
a subject. He then adverted to the proceedings
which had taken place in Scotland, and noticed that
One =II who had been arrested some time ago, and
bisd.been ever since imprisoned, had already been twice
tried for the same offence, and although on the in-
dictment lie had already been twice acquitted, yet
was he now a third time put upon his trial.
Atter a short pause,
Mr. BROUGHAM said he was surprised that no
Member of the Administration connected with Scot-
land should take any notice of the very flagrant case
mentioned by the Noble Lord who spoke last. He
knew that tbc law of Scotland unfortunately audio-
vised the trial of a man a thousand times (it the
Crown pleased) for the same offence. After com-
menting on the hardships endured by the indivi-
dual in question, in being already twice tried on
faulty indictments, and all the time kept In solitary
confinement, he observed, that he was now again
I put upon bis trial on a third indictment, on which
it was not for him to say what would be the decision
of die Court, but of which he might say, that say
lawyer who examined it must see was not valid. Was
it intended to put this unfortunate man upon his trial
a fourth time?—(l/ear, hear, from the Opposition.)
He believed, nom the Atone of the Hun. Member
opposite, that it was.
Sir B4MUEL ROMILLY said, %bat although

the person in question was only tried for felony, yet
he was always committed on a charge of treason.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said be knew
neither the case nor the name ot the person whose
case was now alluded to. But it did not seem that
this was the proper time to discuss that case, for it
had n 9 connection with the Suspension of the Ha-
beas Corpus Act. How the law of Scotland was
upon this point he did not know ; but by the law of
England a man might be tried more than three times
for the same acts, it they were each time charged as
different offences.
Mr. BROUGHAM did not mean to say that there
was any siting illegal in the proceedings in the case'
alluded to.
Mr. WILLIAM DUNDAS said, if it was al-
lowed that the proceedings in the case alluded to werc
allowed to be legal, the question was, whether the
l loose was now to be called upor. to alter the Law
of Scotland ? There was not the least connection,
between the case of the man alluded to, and the Sus-
pension of the Habeas Corpus Act.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT maintained, that there
WAS a strong connection between the case mentioned
and the Suspension. The question on the Suspen-
sion was, whether. Ministers should be entrusted with
certain Lowers, and the question in this case was, how
Ministers had exercised the powers committed to them?
Mr. ABERCROMBIE, admitting that the pro-
ceedings in the case alluded to were legal, wished
to know whether it would be said that they were con-
formable to the usage of the law of Scotland ? The
case called loudly for explanation.
Lord CA:iTI.IiIt.LAGII.-Ife did not rise to
prolong the conversation; but he wished to submit,
that it any improper exercise of posters were corn-
plained 01, it might be very fit to call the attention
ot the !louse to it in a regular way. But certainly
there could. be nothing less useful than to call the at-
tention of the House in a collateral way—(llear,
hear. fro* the O(iposition.)—to questions elating to
the administration ot justice, on which it was not to
he expected that his Majesty's Ministers could be
previuitily informed ; for if there was any thing of
which the House ought to be more paiticitlatly jea-
lous, it was of any interlerence by Ministers in the
administration of justice—(/fear, hear.) Happily
for the liberty of the subject, the discretion to be exer-
cised in our Courts of Law was not a political dis-
cretion, but a legal one. But to bring f9rward ques.
tions connected with the administration of justice ht
interlocutory conversation—( Loud cries of lirar, hear,
from the Opposition hint/rte)—traded mote to obstruct
public business than to aid the adntinistration ot jus-
tice—(lie:tr. hear, hear.) lie did not consider it any
abandonment of their duty for the Ministers of thc
Crown to be ignorant at present how the Lord Ad-
vocate exercised his duties in Scotland as a servant
of the Crown. But he protested against any one ar-
raigning the conduct at the Lord Advocate while hr
WAS not present to defend himself, as he had uo doubt
he should be well able to do.

Lora MILTON would enter his protest against
the dictum of the Noble Lord, that because the Lord
Advocate was at a distapce of four hundred miles
from Town, the House would forbear alluding
to any legal subjects in which he, as Law Officer of
the Crown, might chance to be concerned. This
was one of the most extraordinary principles ever
laid down, even by that Noble Lord (Hear; hear) be.
cause the effect oi it was this, that when the perso.
nage alluded to was absent, it would be unfair to ar-
raign his public cuuduct.—(Lord Castlereagh here
disclaimed that he meant any such thing.)—He was
sorry to misapprehend the Noble Lord's argument,
but such it appeared to him to be—( Hear , hear, from
the Opposition Benches.) But the case may arraign
the Government as well as the Law Officers. Was
it to be said that Ministers were to exercise no con-
troul over prosecutions fee matters affecting the State
(Hear, hear) ? If it were so said, Ministers would
abdicate that proper superintendence which they
ought to hold over such proceedings—(Htar, hear.)
If Ministers relinquished this responsibility, then a
sort of Departmental Government must ensue, quite
separate and distinct from the controul of the Exe-
cutive Government. The Noble Lord then adverted
to the Report of the Secret Committee, which, he
conceived, ought to be as fully open to discussion as
passible. The House ought to have time to consider
the materials on which they were about to act before
they adopted a system of legislation upon them : the
bringing up of this Report, as he knew it to be ready,
ought to precede the opening of the Budget, because
if it were to follow it, the thin state of the House,
at so late an hour, would preclude the possibility of
a proper discussion.
Lord CASTLEREAGH. in explanation, begged
to say, that he only complained of the course taken
in inuodueing this subject. He held it quite unfair
to attack the credit of Courts of Judicature in this in-
cidental manner, when no definitive decision could
be obtained.

Mr. BROUGHAM declared, that he said no-
thing which could be construed into an attack upon
Courts of Judicature. All these Courts had had, in
fact, to do relative to this case was, to quash the in-
dictments of the Crown Officer—(H:4e, hear, and cries
of 41 Sftoke.")
Mr. ABERCROMEY and Lord CASTLEREAGH were
severally proceeding to explain, when they were inter-
rupted by cries of " Steele, spoke."
Mr. Poxsoxav was also interrupted.
Mr. CURWEN agreed thit this was a question
which ought not to be got rid of by a side wind. If
the Noble Lord wanted time to make the necessary
inquiries, he ought certainly to have it ; but in the in-
terim, all further proceedings relative to the further
Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act should be laid
aside for the moment. It would be treason against
the State to proceed further with such a measure.
until the fullest explanation was given relative to
said he had not spoke on this
therfr.prpooceNedstorg.
Nsßy
particular question when he was interrupted by the
Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Hart Davis).
lie now begged to assure that Honourable Gentle-
man that he meant to speak, and would persevere in
doing so, even at the risk of incurring his formidable
displeasure—(iteardisor, hear.) He begged leave to
contends with his Honourable Friends near him, that
the present course was not an arraignment f the
Comets of Judicature in Scotland, unless, indeed, the
Lord Advocate of Scotland could be said, per se, to
be a Court of Justice. He was a prosecuting officer
on the part of the Crown, aid nothing elsc it W 45

that learned person who was arraigned for tI • •
lis top e
indictment, and it did appear to him ( Mr. Pzasae.by )
as a man who had attentively ctm:idered dw. laws 4
his country, that it was most extraordinar y how
Law Officer could feel himself justiied in pro:eedira,
by three indictments against a man- t,a the SAM,.
fence—(Bear, hcar,i.car.) Of the circurnstame„.l
the case he knew nothing, but rtgar,iing ines.:y
Laws of England, whether the proceeding are
gal or not, it was certainly oppressive.-(if,„,..k,,,..)
He would reserve his opinion till the facts ot the Lee
came properly before them ; but lie could not rif:aio
on the present occasion from saying, that there;,,:. -
was a more unfounded charge than that ot its 1.. i
the object of his Honourabe Friends to vil'fy t•
Courts of Judicature in Scotland, wl..an their evi,4:..t
intenders were merely to inquire into the c•,:.dtic ~1
the Lord Advocate—(Hear.)
Mr. HART DAVIS disclaimed having ireaia !a
interrupt the Right Honourai* Gtntlemau who Lad
last spoken. His observation was intended for 4,-
ther quarter.
Mr. CANNING observed, that if the
against the Lord Advocate V.%.4
against law, then he would be deicrved.v arraigat,',
but when this arraignment was coupled vita t':e at:.
mission that he acted accordirg to law. at 4
loss to see the object of the Gentlerr:;, •^:rosirc
I (hear, hear)---because, if their statements !‘a the
laws, not the individual, were to Mime, and (he
way of shaking off the evil was to amend Lilt.
I ie would then say, that, on the shewing of the 1L...
Gentlemen opposite, the whole system of the laws i .
A:at:and had been arraigned. As to the particular
case 01 the Laud Advocate, he (Mr. Canning) tv.•
nrivreparf,cl to speak—and he was not ashamed to
say, that he rn,:st get more light on the subject if
the laws of !;rd•lar,d than he had this day itubitnni,
hefut e lie could e..,.!tr form an opinion on this subj-..:!.
Tne effect of the st t•!.10?-ot was evidently to cr....0.e
an impression that the Lord Advocate had extetial
his authority in a tyrannical and oppretsive rnalear.
On the naked statement, it might be adinitted that
we should dislike to Eve omit:: :,ash a system
laws as had been described—://ear, ,:ear)—le..t it
might also be adm:tted, that whatever hardship was
incurred in the individual case, it was not withoat
its particular inuiticat ion. la any view of the .srs• ,
either the law must be altered, or the Lard .IJvihre
formally arraigned for :.trai.iing the law. ta: the
latter, if decided upon, shwa'd he siane by due nraic.:,
allowing an opportunity to the individual impuet.ed
to come forward and defend himsell. rifear, &sr.)
He (Mr. Canninr) ccncurred with Hs Noble raieej
in thinkinr, that it was not the duty of his Maj. r.y'r
Minister::, Lot, on‘the contrary, a great chest of t!•e'r
authority, to nariere ir, this c'.ttails of the adnir.-
stration of the law. The general purity of the lair,
they were doubtless bound to watch over ; but tlnsy
were bound to do so mere in their capacity as lepp,.
lators, than in their situation as servants of the Ea..
cutive. Whenever the real question of the abuse of
law came distinctly before them, he, for one, would te
ready to pronounce an honest opinion on the subject.,
Lord FOLKSTONE observed, that the Right
Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Canning) had expressed his
satisfaction at not living under the laws of Scotlandel
and was, therefore, the individual who had arraigned
the judicature of that country. His ( Lord Foil,-
stone's) Hon. Friends had done no such thing-6,y
had only said, that though the laws of Scottand
lerated such a proceeding, they did not render it im-
perative upon the Lord Advocate to pursue
course which he was represented to have adopted.--
They did not complain of the laws of Scotland,
though they certainly did of the sort of discretion es-
ercised by the Lord Advocate in his indictments and
re-indictments. (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord
concluded by alluding to the Report of the beset
Committee, for the consideration of which ample tine
ought to be allowed.
Mr. FINLAY strongly censured the proceeding
by indictment, as it had in this particular case hen
exercised. It had disgusted and disapiesinted
whole of the Scottish nation. (Hear, /mar.) it V;3s
scandalous to see that the bird Advocate was unable
to draw up an indictment to meet the case of the pri-
soner. On the part of the whole population of Scat.
land, he complained that the Law Officer of thr
Crown was unable to frame an indictment, on which
the Court could act. The consequence was, that ii.e
ends of justice were defeated. Would Minister:: to-
grate that such power should rest in such kn.& ?
(Hear, hear.) Nobody had ever heard of time Is•
lemn adjudications like this upon a form of indict.
meat ; and be thanked the Noble Lord (Lord
Hamilton) for bringing this subject under the :ut...-
deration ot the House. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. V. FITZGERALD strongly censured .hr
mode in which the subject was introducer' for tfe:::r*,..
though he did not presume to pronounce any °Fives
on the law, or the facts of the case.
The petition was then laid on the table, nal o•
dered to be printed.

carer: PAC cm:Noreen
On the Motion of Sir W 11. IAA NI BURROT.7O
a Committee was appointed to 'earth the 1.0r.:•'
Journals, and to procure a copy of the Rey:: of t.
Secret Committee appointed by their Lordahipe. •
Lord FOLI:STONE expre, sei h:s serprize
any Member of the House, ee.ving the Reprnt 0:
their own Committee ready. should hesitate to 1•:
sent it. The Chairman of that Commit:et-
Bathurst) was not in the House, he should theeefee
move, that Lord Milton hare leave to report oee.
the Secret Committee.
Lord CASTLEREAGH Said it was onnecel. J'•
to have the Report bricre the House that Pir)::
would still be impossible for them to proceed to
deliberation on it before Monday. The bn'irr'.
the night was extremely important, winch !.
time had been already enmed in inteelocnteev • :--
ceedings, and such an order at now F•oro-ed `"•
be attended with no advantage. The lt<r^r
probably be presented in tl:e course of the'evee
Mr. PONSONBY wa hippy to hear
port was even approaching the flew: •-•-
anxiety of Mothers Was very natin.ll to i...•.
Report read, for the purpose cf comin4 14.1. •
pared to the discession or. Monday. tie : • • • • • •
the motion cf the Noble Lord, but. those!:: •- •
of the House would be better obtained b)
tie Chairu•,an of the Csnritrettee w atttL,l to. •:,
furthwith—(t{sm•. Lai, a J a s'Juit
thatfu% r%ove a, ar. au.cudwient—
"lll, L.W &iota 114:4;ha•lik Omits UtiP bs'.4 • "."

re:. of the Sec:tt Committee, be Ctiltfed to attend in Lis Face
rd FnLK:TONE withdrew his motion, and Mr.
an:.ndrne...t was then put as as original
11.

T,e Ci.-114CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
.r; 2 pruhended that some difliculty might be found in
cr;e7.;ing the attendance of his Right Honourable
;...:1„i, f. orn an igonranze of where he might happen
..., :), at th.q moment. Ile had often heard of ord,rl
:J1 :•:,:r7I-TrS to attend.on a given dash but never
k.-. f. one for an immediate attendance.
:‘'.7. '''Ni.`....: remembered an order having been
r.;..ie on the occurrence of some worth of heat, for
-!t :rnmcdiate attendance of two Members, and he,
....:h an, :her Centleman, had been dispatched to en-
-4,;-re it. A sintil tr order might be made in the present
:loner, and th:-; attend:-.t r.e of the Right Honour_
~.5: '.7.tniticrian might be tat:ft:led by similar means
• ...4 ..'„-.??-, e:‘.:r )
!:e c.I-7.ANcE• .7... Len. a the EXCHE(MER.
1., th-.• i:Ase all c.ded to by the Hon. and Learned Geri-
:„m, i !lie two Members had but just left the House,
:he flier could therefore be easily enforced, but the

re!-o' case was essentially different. He then movev!,
• an.endment, that the Order of the Day for the
t:nosit resolving itself into a Committee of Ways and
!.•ans be read.
Mr. BROLGT-TAK—Ai: tlle only difficulty ap-
pnlierdA I:y the Char:el:or of tl:e I:tcheciuer was
eiir.ohy o tied..,:h out. t!le Ci:ainnas: of the
t.crr.mitec, two Members best ticquaioted with the
c Right lion. Gentleman I
be dispatched, and ::c doubted not his attend-,
asce r:i',2,ht soon he obtained—(Near, 11.71 r.)
1..!' NIII.TON expressed his satisfaction at the
Ile Lord's (Folkstoae) having withdrawn his mo.'
t;or, as if caeried, he s'...ould have found it very diJi.
c:t to have complied with the order of the House.
lien a Member of the Comm !tee, and ac.l
cutinte.l ith :he contents and ohj-?os of the Report,
!•e fah tk n aile-Antitge the 1i iuse would det ire from
...::ing the Repo:t read that evening preparatory to
tbscussion on Monday, and at an early hour ton,
at txelve or one o'clock, when only a Jew
v:ould be present, and dime probably the usual
5 i,purters of the Ministers. The Report appeared
tt.:,irn to ex.izera!: the diourtancet of the country. There
wete undoubtedly many circumstances in it, in cont.!
todence widt the evidence submitted to them. but
t' ere \k Cie alvo many things not in it which ought to 1
!Ave b:cit exprLsteil.
Mr. GILTS called tile Noble Lord to order. The
It,port was not yet before the House—(Crier of ‘• Go,
ON.")
Lord MILTON said, he would he unwilling to
Freed if he were out of order. lie merely wished
to bare bad the Report lead at MI early hour, hav-
ing heard that it was intended not to produce it until
.4:ta a certain business, and he thuetose was zniious
to take the earliest opportunity of L:spiebsing Ins °pl..,
ion on the subject.
The SPEAKER conceived that the Noble Lord
was in order—(Lord cries of " Go on, go on."
Lutd MI LTON —There were many circumstances '
tn which, in his opinion, the Committee ought to
heye referred, besides those to which their attention
Led been particularly directed. There were souse
Members of it who appeared to see nothing but civil
wars and. revolution. in the evidence laid before,
tiro, but there were certain causes of those vin-'
leoces to which sufficient notice did not seem to have
t"irs paid. About five years ago a Committee had
ben appointed to inquire into what was commonly
tailed Luddism, and this it was which, .in somewhat
an enlarged shape, and of a more acerbated charac-
ter, the country had to complain of. On that occa.,
:len a different measure from that now proposed had
been adopted—one of a local nature, suited to the
necessity, and which had been found sufficient to
counteract the evil under which the country laboured,
and to bring it into a more civilized and comfortable
state. He really felt it quite inconsequential why a
similar measure sheold not be adapted at present.
'lnc Noble Lord was proceeding in his continents,
when Mr. C. B. BATUCRST entered the House, and
both !potion and amendment were withdrawn as un-
necessary.

THE REPORT.

Mr. B. BATHURST brought up the Report of
the Secret Committee, to whom the contents of the
Green Bag laid On the table by Lord Castlereagh
bid been referred.
The Report was read by the Clerk, and stated
nearly as follows : .
" In forming an opinion on the state of the coun-
t'f, your Committee could not fail to bear in mind
the former information laid before them in the COM-
rtncement of the present Session, and find that the
riPers now referred to them contain a continued
sigative of the disaffection still subsisting in the
ciliary, and which unfortunately appears to have
i4sreased since that period. These papers completely
ccrroborate the apprehensions formerly entertained
respecting the state of the country, and contain evi-
.atoce of fresh acts of instirrectioa. It appears, that
uf.erever Petitions were recommended to be prepared
by delegation, there was a general instruction of the
rteessny of using force to obtain their objects, and a
thy was appointed for a*general rising of the people.
I:Jrly in March a Meeting was proposed in Man-
'}ester, and it was resolved that the Petitioners should
:elemble on Monday, the 10th, prepared to march in
body to London, to present their Petition to the
Ij:ince Regent in person. They were to divide them-
elves into parties of ten persons each, furnished
oith provisions for the march, and with blankets,
''.at they might sleep on the road. At other meet-,
''Ys, comparatively private, it was represented that
ud. body of men might easily he surrounded by the
~lice and the military, unless they were provided
:iih arms tot their defence; that they would cer-
.;:tly amount to 100,000 men ; that all the towns in
%, al a ickshire were preparing to follow their example;
the Scotch were marching to their assistance;
it they arrived 't Pirmingham, such num-
would join them, that the business would be
Petitions were prepared, and a copy furnished
!ci every tenth man, stating, that if the Prince Regent
thit redress their grievances, they could neither
'';pest him nor themselves, and they were instructed
ti 41, it tt.ey did nut succeed by means of intercessien,
t-ry shwlld employ force. To this resolution there
1:(11 may persons resolved to act, and at one of
tf' Meetings, one person avowed himself a leveller
Aid a republican, and declared that he would never
aua back Until be bad accomplished hiS !;teat object.

T —The example of the Rebellion in tile reign of
IRichard the Second, and the Rebellion in Ireland in
1798, were held up to the notice of the people, and
the most violent declarations were uniformly received
with the most applause. The Meeting was held at
Manchester on the 10th of March, aod many per-
sons attended there with blankets and knapsacks;
and although the Meeting was dispersed by the mili.
tory before they could come to any resolution, yet a
considerable number marched on the way to London,
and several reached Oxford and Ashbourn. Many
of those persons most likely to disturb t}-e tranquillity
of the country, were arrested ; but it appears to your
Committee, that the organisation of the people was
so widely extended, that these arrests produced no
other effect than to damp the proceedings of the con-
spirators tor a moment, and then call ',nth the exer-
tions of new leaders, who, according to their own
phrase, re-organised the party. Another meeting
was held in Manchester in March, and the ;10th day
of the month was appointed for a general rising. In
the execution of this plan, the conspirators expected
to obtain great assistance from Huddersfield, Shef-
field, and other places, and it was their design to
assemble dm ing the night as many persons as possible,
set fire to the barracks, attack the houses of the Ma-
gistrates. plunder arms, and destroy the manufacto.
ties. This last project, it Was hoped, would, by
throwing many men out of employment, increase the
amoimt of their strength. It was thought that, at
the commencemeez of this• a few: thousand men would
be suf):cient, as it ass not doubted their numbers
wool(' increase before day-break to at least 50,0110.
It was understood that a simultanems rising would
take place all over the country, and your Committee
see reason to apprehend, that. if the rising at Man.
chester had been successful, it would have been fol-
lowed by malty parti .1 insurrections. This intention
WAS prevented by the activity of the Magistrates,
and many of the leaders were apprehended. This
made tie others mote careful in their proceedings,
but sonic attempts were made to assassinate persons
most obnoxious ; the house of one Magistrate was
attacked, another was wayl.id, and a pistol was tired
into the room of a Gentleman who had acted as a
special constable.
•fr The conspirators had then recourse to the sys-
tem of delegation, and agents assembled from Derby,
Nottingham, Manchester, Sheffield, Huddersfield,
and several other places.• Their numbers were not
large, but their emissaries were actively employed in
exciting a spirit of discontent, comparing nears of the
state of the public feeling, and it was their avowed
intention to assemble a large torte, march to London,
destroy the existing Governmentoand establish a Re-
public. The arrest of their leaders did not extinguish
their hopes of success, and it aas a great disappoint-
ment to them to find the insurrection postponed. It
was then appointed for the Monday in SVliiistin week,
and finally for the 9th of June, which time they
thought best suited for a midnight attack, as the
mom would thee be in its wane. The notice of this
Was so widely circulated, that it became a matter of
public notoriety, and it was found impossible to re-
strain the violence of the people, who, in expectation
of the intended insurrection, had o holly neglected
their ordinary occupations. On the nth of May a
meeting of delegates was dispersed at Sheffield, by
which the final arrangeinent of their pran, which
was to be there concerted, was disarranged; but the
feeling not being suppressed in Hedderstied, homes
were there attacked for arms, and a body of armed
men approached Huddersfield, who fired at a small
detachment of yeoman cavalty,;
" Time Yeomen had a few horses shot, 'lad find-
ing themselves unable to resist, they were compelled
to retreat. They soon after returned with an addi.
tional force, but the enemy had disappeared. The
firing, however, and the numerous lights around
them chewed how.very general was the insurrection.
On the 9th of June an insurrection began at Derby,l
in which a servant was wantonly shot. The insur-
gents advanced to Nottingham, in hopes of their
procuring assistance, hut they were dispersed by the
activity of the Magistates, and fifty of them taken,
together with a considerable quantity of arms and
ammunition. Your Comtnitttee, in thus giving their
opinion on the disturbed state of the northern and
midland districts, cannot avoid remarking, that the
character of the danger is the same as in the early
part of the Session. They are happy, however, to
observe, that it is excited solely by persons of the
lower orders, or but a little above them of popular
talents, who hold out to the people the assurance of
immediate relief, by a Reform in Parliament, but
who really desire the total subversion of the Consti-
tution of the country. This plan had for a long time
been carried on under the veil of iianspden Clubs,
for the purpose of Parliamentary Reform ; but the
members of these Clubs are now found, in many in-
stances, the leaders of these insurrectiouary move-
ments.

" In the former Report. your Committee did not
allude to the system too generally prevailing of
Luddism and assassination, because they did not
think it connected with the disturbances of the coon-
try ; they must, however, now express their sorrow
at finding them constituting a part of the general
plan of these conspirators. Your Committee have
thus given their *pinion, without any anxiety either
to extenuate or exaggerate the real state of the coun-
try; but they are not unaware of the doubts that
might be thrown on the evidence of persons formerly
implicated in those crimes, or of persons exciting
their continuance for their private objects—(flear,
hear, from the Ontorition lienehm). They feel that in
many instances the language and conduct of such
persons have encouraged the designs which they were
only the instrumei is of detecting—( Rear, bear). 'The
number of persons implicated in those proceedings,
could pot be estimated from the exaggerated state-
ments of their own Delegates, but it was certain they
all looked to London fur encouragement and assist-
ance. In the insurrection in Derbyshire, the people
generally expressed the greatest abhorrence of such
outrages, and in all other places wherever they were
summoned in support of the Civil power,' they obey-
ed the eall with alacrity, and had of themselves uni-
foi ally furnished the most effectual protection to the
country—( Loud cries of Neer, hear, from the Oppo-
sition). Your Committee, however, are of opinion,
that We trauquilhityc of the country would be put to
hazard if the extruordinary powers vested in the
Crown should be now withdrawn, and with every
i-cliail4c on the loyalty of the people, they do not
Wink it sale, in the present citcumstances of the

ronratry, to rely lot pritection on the ordinary powers
of the Law."

On the question that this Report do lie on the table,
Lord MILTON thought that now the House had
heard the Repoit, they must agree with him that
twitch of the clanger of the country was magnified by
its language. It was his opinion that m►rch of the
evidence WAS not to be implicitly relied on ; but the
Report induced an implication that the Committee
were satisfied with the evidence brought before them.
But he was far frOm giving his assent to its general
complexion. Nothing should induce him to Lelieve,
that a meeting of 10,000 people, in a place which,
with its vicinity, contained a population of 100,000,
could be so very alarming ; and therefore he thought
that much greater importance was attuche•.l to the
proceedings eminatieg ot:t of that meeting than they
deserved. It was not stated i❑ the Report, that when
the party that matched fr,:m Manchester reachtd
Ashbourne, they wet e not 5u in number. (Hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord proceeded at considerable length to
argue that the spirit of disaffection was greatly exag-
gerated. He was anxious that not any thing should
be left out that could tend to dissipate the •,1 tun cf
the country. Anther circumstance that ►eeiel,ed on
his mind was, that the utmost anxiety had bean shewo ►
to take away the effect of a paragraph introduced in
the Report of t!-.e'Lerds' Committee. He knew that
much of what happened in Ic-arhyshire had heel pro-
duced by the eruissaties sent out by G,eernmeht.
He did not, however, charge this as a crime against
Government; hut merely that they Were not acquain-
ted with the effect their weapons had produced. The
•delegates from London were supposed to be revolu-
tioinsts, but they were the spies ot Government; and
at Nottingham one of them was susp.!cted, and no
insurtectton took place there, though thirty miles fur.
ther in Derbyshire he rucceedea in his object. He
ridiculed the idea of these bodies being organized so'
as to act simultaneously ; and was of (pluton that the
tiring of rockets from hills was " a mere humbug to
alarm the people"—(llear, 7nr, hear.) He would
not deny that some new measures might be adopted,
but he was very far from saying that the particular
measure in contemplation was necessary.
Mr. B. B r was surprised that the Noble
Lord should now state objections to the (Report, as.
excepting the concluding pass.tge, it certainly had the
approbation of every Member of the Committee, and
every passage was amicably agreed to.
Lord MILTON—There was not any single pro.
position, taken by itself, which he might not be wit- I
ling to atErni, but the (Noire context seemeet to him I
to have magnified the danger of the country.
Lord LASCELLES had heard the Noble Lord
disapprove of the Report with astonishment and re-
gret, because it never was in the contemplation of the
Committee that the Noble Lord had any objection to
offer. In tin one instance had there been any dil.
terence of opinion, barring alw•a)s what amuse out 01
the concluding paragraph. He thought it rather too
much to insinuate that the Committee had been in a
state of irritation and collusion.
Mr. PONSONBY all ,wed that his N ble Friend
had made no specific proposition in the Committer. I
Though he had expressed his opinion that sonic puts
were too pointed, he also thought one part too weak.
The Right Hun. Gentleman exPlained.how particu-
ls•he I sett had been m Intreating. Gentlemen not
to compromise their opinions. "
Lord CASTLEREAGH bate testimony to the
' unanimity of the Committee, and the pains that were
taken to make the sentiments of- the Report conge-
nial with every Gentleman's opinion. •
Sir ARTHUR etcorrc declared himself, is a
Member of the Committee, hostile to the cuatinuauce
of the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act.
Mr. LAMB said he had come out of the Commit-
tee unpledged in either way, as he wished to give a
fair hearing to the arguments that might be advan-
ced. He was yet to learn how this measure could
aggravate the danger, or what substitute Govern
-
relent wculd propose in its place.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished the printed Repoit
could go forth accompanied by the speech ot hti
Noble Friend (Lord Milton) as welt a► by that ot the
other Member to►r Yorkshire (Lord I...ascetics). Torre
had evidently been concessatits in the Committt e.
some Members had seemed to meet relicts hall way
in the contents of the Report, in order that the othets
might meet them half tvay with respect to the con-
clusion—(Hear, hear.)
Lord LASCELLES explained. The Honourable
Gentleman was at liberty to give what circulation he
pleased to any thing he had said. lie wits not in the
habit of making speeches; but whatever he said
should not be wilful misrepresentation—(Hear.)
Mr. CANNING denied that there was any dispo-
sition to keep back or extenuate any thing in the Com-
mittee; but still less to exaggerate any fact in the
Committee. There was a cameful and anxious corn-
munication in every sentence on which any diffeeence
was surmised. . •
LOrd FOLESTONE had never understood from
his Honourable Friend that concessions of facts had
been made, but concessions ot opinions, and this was
what the Right Honourable Gentleman hinsselt had
acknowledged. This had been done in order to No.
duce unanimity in the Report.
Lord COCHRANE thought that it was much to
,'be regretted that ex /carte evidence should have been
received in the Committee, to deprive a whole na-
tion ot its rights ; whilst the whole evidence was
gone through in a Court ut Law, and the result was,
that no cotyipiracy had been found to exist. No new
could lay hi► hand upon his breast and say, that the
suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act was necessaty.
The Report of the Committee was ao infamous and
scandalous libel ou the people of England. Ilk had
been confined to the County of Lancaster, and to she
offenders in that County. then it might have been
founded in fact. But, as it was, he repeated, it was
an infamous and scandalous libel on the people.
The Noble Lord was then called to melee by Sir
WILLIAM Btntuows and the SPEAKrIt., who stated
that the name which the Noble Lott! had appl.ed to
the Report ot a Committee of that House WAS
dis-
orderly.

Load COCHRANE had not applied those epi.
thets to the individu:ils who coinpmcdthe Commit.
.tee, but to that scandalous document. (Grid of Ur-
iisr,oider, 1.• Chair, chair I)
The SPEAKER put it to the House. if it acqui-
esced in what he had Already said, whether the Noble
Lord was not highly disurderl)?

itirostr ANb milts:in:vat OF Tilt „
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the Ordrr of the ll.ty, for the House resole;
log itself into the Comtnittce of W.tys and Means.
Mr. TIERNEY suggested the .propriety of post;
poning the Committee at that late hour.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOUE4.
observed, that after the statement of the Income and
Expenditure of the country bad been fixed for that
night, it would be nec!..s.try in order to prevent the
circulation of unfonntled rUmrurs, that the Housti
should go into the Cortimitter.—e'rhe House thed
resole, J itself into the Committee.)—The Chancellor
was sorry that it seas necessary•, at so late an hour,
to bring the atabj •ct before the House, bUt indulged
the !Ripe that no practical measure h•• had to propose
to the Committee would meet with opposition. The
House would also come b:tter ioepared to the do.-
oussion than upon similar occ isiens, by means of
the different repots of the Committee of Fiasnce.---
The•:e Reports would spare him much laLonr, as to
them he intended to refer and more atten•ion would
probably be paid to printed alticuments of that na-
ture, than to any necessary hurried statements that
he might make. Ills 1 'boor wool.' he also much
diminished by the eonsnlidation of the Revenues of
Great tritain and Ireland. Much labour had been
employed to reconcile :h•• Accounts ot the two Coot
tries, :is would app.•.:r atterwards. 1: had been so
.arrained, in virtue of the cons,lidatlon of the Engli,h
and Irish Etc:ie.:luaus:. dna:, from the :;th of last L.
nuary, they started trill: a new Consolidated Account
of the Revenue of tl.e united Kingdom. In otie pa:t
of the Revenue only. :a ere was to be ;eizretted a de-
ficit of t!.) per cent. ; bit th:s could not be wondered
at in ana Agricil:m al y It elmid, at the Cu::.
c/usinit of ia se.,r tt•!..cl•. I:7,1 lin piVe!:shed its natural
resources. Not wili:s:ariPi o painful circum-
stances, the House would b., gralined Ia hearing,
that the means by winch :he current demands of the
ye•sr were to be met, weir neither burdensome nor
objectionable. The suppl!•s of the year were e,:i•
mated as follows :