Star.
London, England, 1820-06-28 00:00:00

WEDNESDAY: JUNE 28, 1820:

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ESSEX. , • •
ENTEELRESIDENCE, with LAND, BROOMFIRLA
'l'wo Miles froth Chelmsfoltl. .
TO 118 SOLD BY AUCTION,
By CHALK and MEOGY,
On Flimsy attar, July 7, at the White Hart Inn, Chelmsford,
at Three &Clock in the Afternoon, in One or more Lot., by
Order of the Proprietor, unless an acceptable off,:r shell be
previously made by Private Contract,
ALL those very desirable FREEHOLD PRE-
ISES, pleasantly situated by the side of the great road,
in the parish of Broomneld, about two miles from Chelmsford,
now iii the occupation of the Proprietor, who is retiring from
the business of a.butcher.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. ";

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The Premises, which are very desirable as a private Residence,
inziod:f a genteel Dwelling-house, which stands upon a pleasing
elevation, commanding a most delightful view of the opposite
valley; a Garden, a Butchery, with Rooms over, and all requi-
sit,. Out-buildings, required for the extensive and respectable
ti ad:: which the present Proprietor has for so many years en-
joyed, and which may be retained end Unproved by a person
competent to thu bu,iness. The buildings also include a gnad
Barn, Stabling, Cow-house, and other conveniences, together
with Seven Acres of rich Pasture and Arable Land, lying con-
, tignous to the Premises, about Three Acres of which are most
eligibly situated for building upon: The Land-tar is redeemed,
and there is no outgoing what ever.

Posscssiort may b: had at llicl►arinuu or sooner, if required,
on completion of tb- purchase.
I'articulars and C'onditions of Sale will be distributed in due
time, to be had at the Inns in the neighbouiltood, and sf the
auctioneers.

by the Noble Lord, he was under the necessity of
stibmitting to their Lordships the motion of which
he bad given notice; but here he felt that he ought
to make seine apology to their Lordships, who had
adopted the mode of referring the papers communi-
cated by the Ctown to a Secret Committee, for ven-
turing to make a motion with the intention of alter-
ing that course, in the present stage of the proceed-
ing. It might appear, on the first view, that in en-
deavouring to alter the mode of inquiry, which had
been opposed by the strongest arguments when first
proposed,, and afterwards, at various times; during
a series of adjournments, which occupied three
weeks, he must be able to adduce stronger reasons,
than any which had been offered ; and he might be
suspected of indulging in an opinion of himself which
savoured of vanity and presumption, if it was thought
that he hoped to succeed by any influence -ss hich he
possessed, in effecting a change of that made of
proceeding, which, though he conceived it to be in-
consistent with soulid policy and substantial justice,
was better supported than he could hope to support
any opinion of his. 1\ prevail upqn the House to,
retract the decision to which it had come, he could
not hope, if circumstances had continued the sarrie:
He entertained no such opinion. However strong
his objections were, on the ground of the impropriety
of the course fixed upon; he should not• have ven-
tured to propose to alter that decision, were it-not
that a material change of circumstances had made
the ground of proceeding by Secret Committee very
different from what existed at the time when that re-
solution was adopted. When first the papers had
been laid before the House, which were contained in
the sealed or green bag, or by whatever name it
might be described, it was then stated by his Noble
Friends, that the whole proceedings had the charac-
ter of injosticelowards the party accused, and that
there was no precedent sufficient to bear it out. But
the Noble Earl (Liverpool) now said, that although
there was no precedent strictly analogous, yet that,
in searching for cases somewhat similar, he had come
to the conclusion, that the course proposed by Mi-
nisters was the most consistent with the established
principles of Pirliamentary proceeding, and that he
would support it as such, under all the circumstances.
But he (Lord Grey) was the no less convinced that it
was inconsistent with justice to the Illustrious Party,
and that it was ilso contrary to precedent. He did
not profess himself to by learned in the law of prece-
dent, but he believed that, if bad times were to be
resorted to for precedent, that any proceeding could
be justified ; but he denied the authority of such
doubtful precedents altogether. When there Was no
precedent in point, the justice of the case ought to
'be the first and paramount, if not .the only coasi.,
deration. And was justice satisfied in the proceed.,
in g by Secret Committee? Certainly not. Let it.
only be considered in what way her Majesty the
Queen was to be affected by it ; why, she was to
stand the result '-of an inquiry altogether grounded
ui es -..;0ri.-and an inquir)r directly
Wbere

pon park informs'.....,
affecting her character and honour. _ she
cokki not confi-onther accusers, wbere-she.could not.
cross-exarnitie witnesses, where she could produce
no testimony in her own defence, where she coulee

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term tone of the rights of a Dri.ich subject, in vin.
i•dicating herseli' from a criminal charge'
.in the eyes
HOUSE? OP LORDS, JUNK 27.
- •.- :of her coitittry. P 4 when deprivr:d, as the accused
-
The Leib CHANCE 6. 01 attended about four o'clock, and after svd:, of all power and op.Fortunity of ;vindication;
prayers, their Lordships adjcumed till five o'clock, when the the Comn:lttet might revort, and their report he
House resumed. made the forindation of further pruceedings. In such
Mr. lavinsa, from the Custom House, presented a variety of a case she must bepiaccd under great disadvantage t
Commercial Accounts, in pursuance of recent orders of the
I louse, which were or.lered to be printed. • • i by having against. her the weight of such a Report
•
. ...
Mr. FtviAssoo, from the Admindty Office, presented an Ac- but lientreated their Lordships to consider the eh,.
count of the names and number of Ships. Girls, mid Tonnage, rac ter and functions of the House, particularly thole -
now in coninthsi.m, in his Majesty's Yards, under repair/Ate. in i Junctions which it had to discimrge in its ludicial
.__....V51 of tits ..(JUse.
consequence of an %Jar 1 itl
A number of Bills, chiefly private and local, *ere brotaght 1 character ; for this accusation against her Majesty, .
up from the Commons, by Mr. S. wormys, Sir N. Cosieneasv, I if tin:, would make her undeserving of enjoyine her
W Colonel onamou!s, and other Members; which were reed the high rank, and might not affect her life, but certainly
first time,
her character ands honour, which were still dearer"
The Earl of DONOUOHNIORE gave notice of his linen-
than lit itself: and he would ask their Lordships if
tion to move the Second reading of the Irish Tenement Recovery
Dill to-morrow. it wits right to come to that trial under the bias, or,
THE QUEEN. at all events, under the suspici:n of bias, which t
Report procured by the influence of Ministers would
Earl GREY rose and said, that, before he entered
into the discussion of the subject of which he Lad cause the Public to ente; fain of the Herne? It might
be given notice, he should first ask the Noble Lord op= said, indeed, that the Report of the Committee
posite (Liverpool) whether on account of the Petition would not lead to the exercise of the judicial functions
r
which had been presented last night to the House, or of the House; such an opinion had been given on i
authority in that
.q
other circumstances, he intended to propose any formeral-
occasion by a high authority. But there waci House so high, whose opinions
mittee ; becauses if the Noble •
teration in the mode of proceeding by Secret COM- no
define or circumscribe the course which the
'Earl had an intention
House of Commons had the right of instituting by re-
ef proposing such an alteration, he (Earl Grey) would
ferring an impeachment at the Bar of the House.—
be happy to postpone the motion of which he had
given notice? The Noble and Learned Lord on the woolsack had
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, thai he had no certainly stated that no such thing could take place.
He (Lord Grey) would not enter into the legal argil;
dillies)* in answering the question of the Noble
Earl; and he trusted that, in coming to the conclu- meat of the case. " Gon knows," he said " there
is enough to be considered without that ;". but, with
sion which enabled him to give a decisive answer, he
all the deference which was due to the great learning.
had been actuated equally by a sense of respect to
the House and the interests of the Illustrious Parties, and talents of the Learned and Noble Lord, he felt
it his duty, as 3 Member of that House, to erprest
Though, last night, he thought it right to allow
his doubts ; and those doubts which he had at first
twenty-four hours to elapse, in order to ascertain
Whether the statements in the Petition and the argu- entertained, were strengthened by high legal opi=
nions, which li• could not hut consider, as much as
.tents by which was enforced ought to induce the
the opinion of the Learned Lord, deserving of great
House to alter the course of proceedings, yet, after
'die fullest consideration, and after a reference to such attention. If the construction rut ppon the Act of
Edward was true—ii. violation did not mean forcible
precedents as he 'Could discover, which were at 'all
analogous to the case in question, and which were violation, which it could not—and if the Queen, in
t the only ones to direct the course which the House the case ot such an ac having been committed in
.should take, he was decidedly of opinion that refer- England, and with an English subject, should bd
ring the Papers to a Secret Committee, to report liable to the highest penalties which the law could
thereupon, was the best and most proper mode f'or _inflict, he could not think that the subtle distinction;
which had been taken by, the Learned Lord, between
the House to pursue in reference to justice, and the
an English subject and a foreigner, ought to protect ifirportant interests involved. So long, indeed, as
there had been any hopes of terminating this painful her from the penalties due to that misconduct. He•
business by propositions of adjustment, he was nnzi• did not mean to infer more frOm those argUments;
titan that there were grounds, and strong ones, for
ous to avoid the inquiry ; but now that it was seen
that the expectations of such a result were fruitless, entertaining a doubt-of the validity of the argument
there was no other course but to adhere to the mode pronounced from the woolsack, and that doubt
impeachmentof proceeding originally instituted. If the Noble opened the contemplation of a possible
Earl had any other mode to propose, he would, in But should that doctrine prove correct—should it be
considering it, state his opinions more at large. actually the law that the Queen might commit, in a
foteign country, acts of
Earl GREY then said, that after the answer the-lastii —con. given..._
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duct herself as licentiously as she pleased, and mis-
behave herself in a way which, in England, would
amount to high treason, and yet be out of the reach
of the highest penalties of the law, yet Who could
say that, where the character of the Queen could be
shown to be liable to such charges, that the House
of Commons, invested, as it was, with a power for
the protection of the subject which did not depend
on the dicta of lawyers, and which could be exer.
cased as emergencies arose, might not impeach her
of a minor offence, and bring the charges before that
House, where alone they could be tried ? With all
the respect, therefore, which he entertained for the
Learr.'d Lord on the weohack, he could not but be-
lieve that his great and powerlul mind had, in-this -
instance, been too much end-aged in the subtleties of
law. It had also been said, that this was an indivi-
dual case, and that recrimination might affect it,
but that he must explicitly deny. It was not an in-
dividual or domestic case—it was not a- subject of
recrimination—it was a great State offence, the trial
of which could not admit any charge to be adduced
against another person, as having acted unworthily.
When he was told of recrimination, he would say,
that as well might' Thistlewood have attempted to
justify his treason by saying. that he committed it
against a tyrant and an oppressor: .This, like any
other offence against the State, must be decided upon
its own merits. There could be no retorted accts•
sation against the person at the head of the State.--.
It could not differ from the adjudication of other
public charges, which depended upon the :hewing
the truth or falsehood of the facts. He could not,
therefore exclude from his view of the subject, the
chance of a judiciar•proceeding; and. to the fait
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decision upon it of a Secret Committee
must be p:odi Sing' a cause on which
their LordthlpOittel6 pronounce, in the exercise
of the highest functions of the judicial character.,—
But when the mode adopted by the House had been
opposed on a former occasion, it could then only be
argued that a judicial proeeeding'was possible; bbt
now, circumstances had happened which made that
not only probable, but almost certain. He said, by
the votes. on the table of the House; that a- propo-
sition for a Secret Committee, similar to that which
, had been proposed in that House, had been proposed
-also is the other; but the latter, he perceived; was
Suspended. The -other House had not gone the length
'of appointing a Committee, and then adjourning;
they had adjourned without. the appointment of
any Committee. But here there. was no delay ; as
soon almost as the intention of the Minister- was
known, the Committee was appointed. In the Com-
[mons, it now appeared that the suspension had
taken place for the purpose of awaiting the deci-
iion of that House; and it had been made use
it there as an argument, that the House of Lord.
Might originate a judicial proceeding7-(Heer).--
lie(Lord Grey) was at a loss to connive how such
a Proceeding could originate there. Perhaps some
perspicuity
Noble Lord, eminent for his talents and

Misfit, be able to explain how. But suppose •
purpose for which the suspension was carried; and
that House should' not origin:de the measure, thed
it was understood that the Minister would act at