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CAMBRIDGESHIRE.

Between CAMBRIDGE, HUNTINGDON, and ST. NEOTS.
VALUABLE FREEHOLD ESTATE, TYTHE FREE,
Desirable RESIDENCE, with OFFICES, LAWN,
• GARDEN, &c.
'ELIGIBLE FARMS, with FARM HOUSES and OUT
COTTAGES, and GARDENS,
♦an erwaani OP
ONE THOUSAND ACRES.

Rateneive Mane;;;;boe;cliniWitiDa;,Cenrte, Quit Beata,
Yule% /cc.
TO Bpi SOLD BY AUCTION,
By sir. ROBINS,
(Of Warwick Boast, Regent-street),
At Gar:away'. C.elfee-house, 'Change-alley, Corals=
On Tmeasear, the ink Jane, MI,. at Twelvee'Cleek.
•IN ONB LOT.

A.VALUABLE FREEHOLD and TYTHE-FREE
ESTATE—cournume

THE MANOR OF RLSWORTH,
Extending over about
TWO THOUSAND ACRES,
Abounding odds WO*, wick the Court% Quit Rents, and Fines,
upon an average, shoo
TWO HVIVIttD POUNDS PER ANNUM.

Also, a commodious 111ANSilili,11.11711011TH HALL,
Seated oa a Lasts, °Smallwood with sat* Maher Trees, Shrubs,
Stn odds conmiest Office,
Adapted for the actommodatios of a Oendennues
Coach House, Stables, Gardens, Barn, Cow Howe, and various
Osnbaildlap.
Sundry eligible FARMS, with convenient and sabotantial Farm-
houses, Farm•yarl{s, Barns, Stables, Cow.bosne, Granaries, Cattle,
Cart•shedsrand Out-buildings, and upwards of
ONE THOUSAND AND TEN ACRRS
Of Meadow, Pasture, Arabk, and thriving Wood Lind; in the
occupation of Mr. Toon** Wm, Mr. Canis, Mr,. Eassar, and
Mr. Woos.rapoix, respectable Tenants; under Agreements, and
at Will.

—Stutiry COTTAGIS and GARDENS, the renal and
ism value about

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um& THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS
PER ANNUM.

This Estate is advantageously Nitwit for Residence and for In-
vestment of Property, capable of considerable improvement, coad-
gums to good Market Towne, being only See miles from St. Ives,
seven from Huntingdon, ten from Cambridge and St. Neots, eines
from Potion, and twelve tram Royston.
To be viewed by .applying to Mr. Webb and the Tenants, on the
Prendtes, of whom Fecundate may be had ; of Mr. Abbott, Rpm.'
bury; thr Coekvitaten George Buckden, Cross Keys and Falcon,
St. tints • Red Loo, St Ives; Roll, Cambridge ; Cross, Royston;
Crown, items I..fisraceses kjersd, Wars ; of Messrs. ;Marietta and
Son, Sokillmes, sad 4 Gsssj,, Muntisisdon; at Gpriaway's • aid
it Mf. FAWN No. 1110, Agilitt-itropt whet. PM it the Lege

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COMMITITSII ON THE CIVIL LIST BIOL.', •
The CH ANaRLLOR of the RXCHigina moved
Hoitpe theaki fettleviLAM iMo Cowiluee ea the GlomUs , olit,
tie puhiosc Rao thAr
,coashierption the Resolution
submitted/0 chi tete, big Sight, thr griming it salary 11' .5000/.
annually to the person he*" the elks of President of the Board
4( Trade. ----
...,
• •
Me.. HUME rot to snows whether the Right
Hon. gentleman had yet asoestained whether he bad.
means for supplying this stew salary tai an offices bithet to
unpaid by the country, without increasing its burdens
at a period when all classes felt peculiarly, the necessity
of increased economy. If that assurance could tic t beg
given him, he should oppose the Speaker's leaving tie
Chair. In fact it would be little short to( disitAtsly ur
the House to consent to the creation of A, COW salary
without this assurance. No spendthrift even would•
preempt to set up a new carriage topless. his min See extravagance
without first inquiring where-the money was to mate from to pay
for k. He for his part could have n° manner of abieetloa to k, for
instance if it were taken out of the enormous meows of- the -
Biakeprle of Derlions—(A laugh). These revenues were
for religious objects and purposes, very different indeed
to which they wire new applied, and were never telOsielVell
make any one manse prepostarottely rich at the eapedeleiShalt tab
jured community.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. oh.
served, that whatever connection thOire might be'bet*eeti
the offices of Treasurer of the Navy and President of
the Board of Tracics.there could be no possible coronets:
tion except in the Hon. Member's mind bttaeen the u-
lary ofthe Resident of the Board ofTrade aticrthi over.
grown revenue of the deceased Bishop. Indeed nothing
would astonish his Right Hon. Friend more than to hear
front any one that it was proposed he should receive his future
salary out of the spoils of the Bishopric. He could see no object
that would be attained by discussing the subject on' the motion for
the Speaker's leaving the Chair. The discessioe would be mock
More in place in the C.ommittee sod if the Hon. Member would
permit hint to gelato the Committee, and resume these SO sub-
ject,he would be equally at liberty to enter into the detail' of his •
reasons fee objecting to the proposed Resolutions—(Hear.)
Mr. HUMS consented to withdraw his opposition wiping into
a Committee, and the motion was agreed to.

PREISIDZET 07 THE lOASD OE Tlingit.
The CHANCELLOR oldie EXCHEQUER, In the Commit-
tee, then moved a reset/talon, similar to that of the ppreceding (meta.
ing,for venting a salary of 5,000 L a year to the Presidept of the.
Board of Trade.
31r. HUME re-stated his objection to the Emollition briefly.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER began
by assuring the Hon. Member that there was no ground
whatever tor the supposition that by this grant the
House was indirectly sanctioning the continuance at a
large salary of a sinecure office, namely the Treasurer-
ship of the Navy. That office, he assured him was any
Idling but a sinecure. Its dtities consisted not only in
a reference to him of all payments on account of the
Navy, and a chain of responsibilities for all the offi:ers
in the different offices under him, but his duties had
been much increased, of late years by the aJditiunal
labour required at hii bands in protecting the intereots
lof seamen's legatees, wives, and children, who, until
these regulations as to seamen's wills, were constantly
I made a sacrifice to an infamous and worthless race of

wretches, who plunder the sailor's rclativer by every
species of abominable fraud—(hear)—of that property
which Dever had been designed for their benefit. Oa
such subjects there was naturally a great deal of
quirt' necessary, and he h•ed known a long and tedious
investigation take place before the Treasurer etnld feel
himself justified iu paying to a claimant a p34kry
of 20 shillings, without Prejudice perhaps_to sodte pore
familyalmost
in
any olfie might
a distant
cpart of thbe spade , true,
that a Demo by the
principal, if he chose or could safely rear the duties
to deputies, and neglesip4 chi chagge,mosed in him.

:.ter.S....

'A comparison hid Wei drawn between this office sk._
the Pay mastership of the Navy; but it should be recol-
Ivied that office imposed no responsibility for the money
sn pAid :is this did. If the-House thought fit to impose
on this Officer the duties of the Treasurer, then,it would
surly he eight the House should confer on him, with this
nAy pecuniary and moral responsibility, air increased
sal -1 y equal to the duties of the responsibility. It never
lonia be expected to be done at the present salt y of
• 1,)01. a year which be held, and so far that which shit
Members opposite wanted, namely, a saving of
the pOslie money, could not be obtained. Now he coli-
lettigd te was not prepared, as soon as the question of
ktAlarif as to this office was mooted, to extinguish another
cdfice merely because it happened to be held by tbst
slime person whose income was the subject of conbido.
• ration. 'Although the office of Treasurer had been my
much changed in *1782, such an idea had never eves
entered Mr. Burke's head. The responsibilities of this
office were very considerable;' indeed he had, when in
that.situation himself. felt them to be both onerous and
• alatiOing. ftir 'one fine minting he was informed that a
person in-the .officeltad itbsiOndeti and gone to Amts.
rice, leaving him responsible in 'his little property 18,1
24,0001. (A.lnag/t). And soon after another quitted
this life by cutting hie throat with his own hand,
_withl
a deficiency in his accouutx to the anfon:it of 10,08%
Here he was made liable to between thirty and for*
- thousand pounds ins yew months. By the advice of the
' Pittance Comtittee, the PAymrstership of the Fnrcea.•
which wets formerly a two-told office, was confided to
• one person, with a salary of 2,0021.. a year and a resi-
dence; whilst the freasortrbhip of the Navy was rov
- decedi and the Ater required to be filled by some New
liiriCeGoveitiment
.holding a situation to which no
salary was attached. In this state it came to his own
hands, with 1,0001.. year less salary, to which reduc-
tion he could see no objection, and indeed, he did net
see on what public ground that Officer should continue
to have a residence at the public esverice, which was
now very desirable for other public officers' convenience,
and the transaction of general public business. The
_ truth was, that this was a very improvident w*y for
providing for the convenience of individuals in office,
fve this house, with the allowance of coals and candles,
was worth 7001. a year. If the salary war, however,
to be cot down, perhaps the Committee would be of
opinion that placing the salary at 2,500/. a year, and
abridging it of a residence, would in some degree assi.
made it to the salary of the present Paymaster of the
Forces with his 2,0001. a year and house. He did not
think this Ovoid be one farthing too much for the
Treasurer of the Navy. If be could but place his band ass few
sinecures he should be very glad, and of his goad will lad that of
. his Colleagues is this way be thaiglit a pretty convincing preened
beta afforded In the reduction of those very high once,. the 0111110
miestooers of Cowan.. and Excise la Ireland and Scotland. Ng
be• should be ashamel of himself if, in ordw to conciliate the (Aeolic

of the Committee, mai obtain their anon to give S,OOOl. a year to a
Member of Govetwowst, whom all admitted evidently deserved
moat dbtral reotaneradas for his seal sod taws, be elteold palter
with his fluty, and permit the services eithe Treasurer ot the Navy
to beitgeated as it that Ace were a annum
Mr. TIERNEY confessed be was ansions that the

vote on this occasion should be unanimous. All it ap-
peered were agreed that the President of the Board of
Trade ought to have the 5,0001. a year. and no man
was more satisfied with the ability and acquirements of
• the Right Hon.• Gentleman than himself. He had him-
self filled the office of Treasurer of site Navy, aad he
tit* saeoliathe xonsidered it then no flintier., though
be did contrive being ptetty Industrious to do it by sp-
. plying himself fat about an hour a day. If he had goy
shares, hiserever► with the clerks in the different offices
in their business, and overlooked all himself, he might
perhaps have amply•oecupied all his time when he held
• is threstand twenty years ago; and as to the seriousness
of char responsibility incurred, he could only assure the
Cornittee, that it was not until five years after he had
xestgnedthis office that he bad the satis' action of finding
himself absolved from tesponsibility, and receiving his
quietus' from the Board. Nur, it was his with that
every one should hive a just remuneration for his
• •Isuur and trouble; but it was least of all things his in-
. tendon to give to Government two offices with large
salaries to dispose of, iastead of one.
• • Mr. HOSKISSON expressed his giatitude for what
„ had been-said of him for his bumble endeavours to dis
charge his duty. He felt, after what had fallen from
his R•ght Honourable Colleague, and the Right Hon.
Ileistlentan who had just sat down. that he was not
called upon to defend the office of Treasurer of the
Nary. as a useless sinecure. He should merely observe,
that the desire had considerably increased of late years,
that the protection afforded the seamen, and the due
administration of the funds of the Navy, bad made the
office of Treasurer something more than that of a
simple payer of moneys These was a great discretion
hecetsary to be es seised in the accepting of bilk, the
dinsosing of ationay.and "other things, which neither
the pankosor any other body, or in&eidual, that had
• been alluded too (meld exercise so properly as the officer
• to whohithe 'duty had beets hitherto confided. He
couldonly state, that {sat having that capacity for busi-
sslsich.othersbasfibramedm) possess, he thought
it dr hardship in beg: main.* assail:se of so mach re-
sponsibifity; Me' it tied tufficenr, for any
•' he Could so di:elf-Seethe drakes of that
• I.:4ce.alifics..lgreent cattiplitint coming lions any of the
nenwrous departments a ith which it was costumed ; it
*avid be :ancient if a man filled, without complaint.
an office, which was_ extensively eintsteted with the
Admiralty, the Victualling Board, and the whole of
the outports. For his part he could not properly attend
vs those numerous duties without neglecting some
tither:, equally important, belonging to the other office
he held. His situation at present was not so bad now
as it might be hereafter. He uow had a Paymaster in
whom be placed the most unlimited confidenct,and who
was familiar with all the details of the office. But what
would be his situation, if he should lose his issistace ? He
should be greatly embarrassed, he confessed, for the
management of so extensive an establishment, with its
numerous and important duties, would be more than
vith those of his other office he could manage.—
Certainly as * measure of patronage, it would be gra-
tifying lb the individual who should have the disposal
of sacit a place, but it did not follow that every candi•
date fot the oppoietasent, possessed the requisite infor-
matins of the =tore lad daties of the •situation. He
• himself felt incompetent to instruct the persons in those
%duties, or to render them efipable of performing then).
. The payments, and other op -cations, at the out ports,
isearas obliged to let the indfaidoals who were there
'employed transact them. He wee net sufficiently ae-
"'sitteinted with. the details of the treke to know whether
":;•44.1 were properly conducted. He. had no doubt !diet
•i everything was going on• welt and correctly. bet "dill
•• Chat *asset sufficient, because he did not know thilt4u4
was the clues and could not therefire iftswei for ft. He

great
tufty.. was _ were in the place of the ray-
master, he should doubt whither he should appoist;
two deputies, or leave to other persons the choice
the individuals sips were to carry on the business. lie
was not 'certain that he had made himself understood,
but tie bad endeavoured to answer the questions,
which bad been put to him, as he conceived, indi.a
vidually. Fur his own part, he felt, that it would
he extremely difficult for a public servant to perform
the duties of his office which loaded him with a
responsibility to his Sovereign, and in that House
to the public, unless he had in his hands the dispoesi
of other offices in the department over which he was
placed. He had himself endeavoured to perform his
duties as well as he could individually. The public were
entitled to all the exertions which his humble talents
and state of health enabled him to bring into the service.
But if he could not discharp the duties of both situa-
tions, he would say to the Cominittee, rr deal with the
vote before you as you will, but do not impose upon
me duties to which I cannot satisfactorily attend." It
would undoubtedly be agreeable to him to teta'n both
places ;,. it was agreeable to retain a considerable portion
of patronage, and there was nothing repulsive in the
character of the office (an office that had been held by
many very distinguished persons) still he would totally
relinquish all those aromas tad advantages from a
principle of public duty, if he felt inconspeterat to
fulfil the duties of both. The situation of President of
the Board of Trade, was ode that required the applica-
tion of all the talent that the holder of tt might possess;
it was one of the duties which would occupy his entire
time, and he trusted tie might be allowed to say of him-
self, that hehad not been sparing of either to the utmost
of his power. He felt confident, that if he were con.-
tinued in the discharge of those duties, that he malt
relinquish others which required event undivided at.
tention. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) had
said, that when he held both situations, he discharged
the duties belonging to them. No m in could more highly
respect the talents of the Right Hon. Gentleman than
himself, nor could any man more entirely agree in the
opinion that all his exertions had been used fur the public
benefir, whether he were its or-out of office ; but he (Mr.
Huskisson) must nevertheless be permitted to doubt whe-
ther. while the Right Hon. Gentleman applied himself to the du-
&oat Ns*, some portion of his attention bad not been required to
thew at the other oilice. There were Councils to attend, and
variousmbse calls upon his personal application, which rendered
lithe paspubs of the Presidency of the Board of Trade, and the
Trammlip of the Navy, by the same person locompauble. He
shialivbewever, leave the matter io the bands of the Committee;
the solifeet was not one of his sealing. All he should say was,
`that in whatever manner the question should be decided, be would
bow to It ; but he begged leave to add, that if the Paymastership of
Ilhe laity 'was to become vacant, he would not hold the Treasurer-
ship este moment.
Mr. CALCR AFT remarked, that the Right Hon.
Gentleman never complained of the respos.ibility of the
office of the Taeasurcrship of the Navy till there was a
proposal of the reduction of its salary, and of the in-
compatibility of its being held at the same time with
the office of President of the Board of Tiede. He
asked, was there no men in the Navy Office fit to b •
entrusted 'with its Trees itership? • If the two offices
were to he separated. he hoped the House would tender
the Treasuters' ip of the N try incompatible with a seat
ia Parliam-nt. He te...eated his objections to the pre-
sent measure,- being an extension of the overgrown
inflaence of t':e Crown. He thOught the present mo.
aunt As most unpropitious, considering the ..fraits of
the country, to bring forward the present motion. The
burthens of the people should not be increased. He
thought the admission of the Right lion. Gentleman, as
to the absorbing it fl ience of his office at the Board of
Trade, was a .proof Or his ipsincerity in his inten:ion of
abolishing useless offi:es. Why did not the Right Hon.
Gentleman (;he Chancellor of the Exchequer) refs his
Widen last night? He (Mr. Caleraft) and his Hon. I.rknds, in
courtesy to the Right lion. Gentleman ' (hlr. Huskisson), did pot
wish to avail themselves of the advantage they then possessed, by
throwing out the question—namely, the thinness of the Treasury
Benches. All were agreed as to the principal and sum of ream-
iteration, but objected to the mode of its being granted, and to the
popularity of the Right Hon. Gentleman bring made a mask for
jibe introduction of a pernicious measure.
Sir. CU RWEN opposed the grant.
Sir U. W. RIDLEY thought it to be M judged economy to
bona the salaries of the great Public Officers ; bet he objected to
the beblog of two incompatible stations of trust by one permit.—
lie hoped that if the Paymaster of the Navy was raised in salary
and trust, be would be excluded from holding a seat Ip the House.
Heagreed to the tannin ‘3ooo a year to the-14bl Honourable
Gentkman, though be could not but object to the anode in which'
it was
Sir Ingsal N was enabled, from having been ten years a Com-
'rnissiotiet at Sheerness, today that the Office of the Treasurership
of tit! Navy was no sinecure. . .

Mr. DENISON agreed to the grant but objected to the manner
of its being brought forward by the Chancellor of the, Exchequer.
lie wished to ask the Right I-lon. Gentleman what became of the
two late peculators of the public money in the Navy Office'
Ti.e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied,
that the one who had embezzled 30,0001. uf the public
mdney had been tt:icej to America, And there threatened
(all thAt mild be done in ti foreign country); end that,
in consequence-of that threat, he had returned about
15,0001. of the money, the public. lost the iebt. As to
the ether offender, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
was calk,' %minis by kirf 'rreasurf to aecount for 24,0001.
..f the public money:taken away, by that individual,
And be ',hewed the evil and ion-reopposibillty to exist in the law,
and Was not attributable to Min. Heilniesuc in a Bill ti remedy
Ws defect bids, law.
DKNUMS—Than then is: so ,tutroasibeity fur them
'entnuted with the public esesey; , ,
. Mr. HUSKISSON denied this.
• lir. HUME maintained the aiirnastiva.
Mr. ABERCROM BY entertained the highest respect
for the Right Hon. Gentleman, and early predicted his
rise to fame and station in the services of his country.
He was glad to•see his predict' ns fulfilled ; and there.
fore with the more pain opposed the present vote, front
the absence of any thing satisfactory being offered by
the other side ht defence df his holding the second situa-
tion—the Treasurership of the Navy. He-di‘elaiused
the official fallacies of the Chancel:or of the Exchetioev
as to the respomibility of this Treasurer of the Navy ;
when the fact was, he was not responsible at all, unless
the Treasurer was personally guilty of breach of trusts,
L rd Melville held this office with a Slits Beer taryship,
but he had the assistance of his colleagues in the oste,•
and of others in the second -" Hi
present MASON went 10 .
the Crown by creating two
trusted•othat the *NMI..
from that ilot4. 'lle *Mod
clofiat.phied,dieo
Acted ore. lhaire'vili
ithO• impfeci jet/tit
"'called upon iffidilly since

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Mr. Secretary CANNING.—ffir, in allusion to the
difficulties which Han. Gentlemen, in she course of this
debate, have found, or conceived they hate found,
throughout the einise of the subject—mote particularly
in respect to the proposed grant to my Right Honour-
able Fl iend and Colleague, the President of the Board
of Trade—l protest I cannot see how these difficulties
(supposing them to exist) can b- so well met, or so easily
disposed of, as by means of the meir.ure at present be-
fore the Committee. Some (perhaps most) of the dif•
ficulties in question appear to have arisen Irom consi-
derations exclusivelysonnected with the office of Tress
surer of the Navy ; although, strictly speaking, thateia
a subject not now before the Committee, and passing
this vote will by no meat', prevent the House from dis-
cussing, on a future opportunity, the merits of that
office. But,putting aside the consideration of that ques-
tion for the present, I wish to argue the case on a basis
entirely different, and, in my opinion, more closely
connected with the matter in hand. If it can be made
to appear that the President of the Board of Trade has
sufficient (indeed more than sufficient) occupation fur
one man, in the dischaige of the duties (duties alike
urgent and impoi tan) connected with his situation -in
the Government of the country—and that that situation
one which, from its nature, can never be dispensed
with in a commercial country like ours—l think it will
follow that an adequate provision should be made for the
individual who holds it ; and that, inasmuch as it is ao
office which can afford to stand on its own grounds, it
ought also to have attached to it a salary payable in its
own name. With respect to what has been said of the
Treasurership of the Navy, and the assertion so repeat-
redly made, that it is an office frequently held in con
flexion with other situations of a public name, I admit
that such has been sometimes the case, but the practice
was by no means invariable: on the contrary, it has
'been as often (indeed I may say oftener) held separate
from, as jointly with, other official situations. True it
is, Lord Melville (as has been so often mentioned in the
course of the debite) held the Treasurership of the
Navy at the same time that he enjoyed another place of
trust and emolument in the State; but it will also be
in the recollection of the House that the N.bleman (the
Earl of Hairoaby) who immediately succeeded Lord
Melville held the office wholly unconnected with, and
independent of, any other. The Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Terney), and my immediate predecessor,
was similarly situated when Treasurer of the Navy, as
was 1 myself, and the late Mr. Sheridan, who suc-
ceeded me in the office. The Right Hon. Gentleman
Joys he found an hour a day amply sufficient to d. vote
to' his official duties, in order to enable him to discharge
'them effectually, and tl ence appears to argue against
the Treasurership of the Navy as a partial sinecure, at
least to. insinuate that it is a situation perfecly corn.
patible -with the. possession and efficient discharge
of other State function.. I do not mean to say the
Right Hon. Gentleman has not had experience of
what he describes, or at all to impeach his competency
to form an opinion upon the subject. At the same time
I put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman whether be or any
reasonable . person would describe the situation of a
Banker in this metropolis as a sinecure, beeatse he
may only have to devote an hour or two of his Cute
daily to overlooking add examining all the accounts of
all the clerks in his establishment? When the care,
anxiety, and, above all, responsibility of such an indi-
vidual are considered, surely it would be unfair to mea-
sure the amount of his ton by the hours given up to the
regulati in of his business. And, in like manner, when
the responsibility of the Treasurership of the Navy
is consideted, it would be equally unfair to pronounce
his situation a si ecure. Again, with respect to the
hour a day which the Right Honourable Gentleman
found sufficient for the discharge of his duties, with-
out pretending to make any comparison between the
relative quantity of business to be gotten through by
that Right Honourable individual and myself, I am
tree to confess, I was either more slow, or less fortunate,
•
for th it period was never enough to en able me to exe-
cute the businea of Treasurer of the Navy. Certain
it is, I held the situation, in uncomfortable times,
and I was obliged to pay the most painful and anxious
attention to details with which not only I, but, unfor-
tunately, other individuals in the department, were at
fitst cempa.a:ively unacquainted. So that, on the
whole, perhaps my labour can scarcely be considered
as a fair average of that usually required by the situa-
tion in question. But supposing the Treasurer of the
Navy, after the due discharge of his more immediate
functions, to have a considerable surplus time on his
hands, -I am psepared to maintain that if disposed to do
his duty as he ought, he must give up that remaining
time and devote it to forwarding the general interests
of the &ate. There are duties which those among the
public functionaries, who may perhaps receive a salary
. .
disproportionate to the extent of their official labours,
are expected, if ark bound to, discharge. This is an
arrangement, the justice and necessity of which must
be at once apparent ; and I wilt add, if ever there
was a period at which it was absolutely necessary to
.have one or two situations of the sort I have de-
Sesibed—paid rather in proportion to their dignity
and importance than to the time requisite to be de.
medics a discharge of the duties incidental to them—it
is arthis very atomeat, when every one, of the active
departments of the State is positively and literally over-
whelmed with business. It is with reluctance I 'Would
advert to the _nature or extent of my own labours ;,
suffice it to say, I do not desire to spare myself, and can
declare, hum my personal experience, that no man OM
-hold such an office is that now filled by my Right Hon.
Friend and Colleague, the President of the Board of
Trade, and -discharge the duties of it with the zeal and
ability which have over distinguished him in his official
career, and after so doing have one hour to spare. Am I
asked whether, in .my opinion, the business- necessary to
be performed by tke Treasurer of the Nary is of so en-
grossing. and absorbing a quality that he can have no
time to spare to other occupations ? I answer no r—
and will readily admit..the duties of his situation may
be' dime-bawd, and considerable share. of leisure
remain which may be devoted. to other purposes. But
.! remark, the Presidency of the Board of
Widely different office—one of a nature so
absolutely overwhelming, that it can
time to its possessor for other employ.
it would appear, if the Treasurership of
the; Presidency a/ the Board of Trade
4 with a dissiost and separate occupation.
kind it Rimy. -But if I am asked whether

dad treasdrer of the ittaepwili sot UT* /At efsiie
time than it is necessary to below on the sniseellinsfordn
business, with which Government is. to repeat my frail •
user expression, overwhelmed ?I at once answer, lief i
feel persuaded that immense benefits mates* herd
the application-of the serpltts tints df persons -*hoot
leisure, like the Treasurer of the Navy; is: Not -bi*li.
absorbed by an attention to the- duties of their eie i
and that by these means much of the sepergboadant
'baldness of the state may be transacted. ft maybe sitf-
licient to allude to one of the extra-official duties. ins:
posed upon the Ministers of the Crown—daratin tbi
necessity of hearing cases in the Privy Council. I Have
no
hesitation in saying It would be utterly impossible
for me, and, considering the nature of their avocatioos;
for my Honourable Friends, the Secretary for the
Home Department, the Chancellor df the Exchstgeiri
or the Pct eidetic of the Board of Trade, to &We ft.
the purpose of hearing causes in the Privy Counnil.--
But the Treasurer of the Navy is differently ciecum-
:tanned, and the place he fills is precisely that eon of
office which, in the purest and best times of Parham at
and the British Government, is best calculated for ap.
plication, and has been always applied to such subsidiary
purposes as those I have indicated—purposes best irked
to forward the business of the State, and deprived'of
the benefit of which public affairs could rmt but busker
immense detriment. The first proposition, that the
President of the B iard of Trade should receive a salary
of 5,000/. pet annum, is not ours, and did not tame
from this side of the House; but I am free to admit,
when Governmeat perceived such a proposition ,ta be
pot forward, it cheerfully adopted a measure long sines
called for by the eminent services and talents of 'my
Right Hon. Friend, and which elriald perhaPelaite
originated with ourselves. With it--few exceptioos, it
appears to be generally admitted; drat the •offiee. of
Treasurer of the Navy cannot be -abolished consintatly
with the dispatch of business in that departmesii ; and
although it has been proposed that the 'Paymaster of
the Navy should in future assume the offsee-oe Toga-
surerva very slight consideration of the subject will an
once evince the impracticability of that proposal, .The
Paymaster is an officer conversant in the details of that
department, and in the event of any danger or difficulty
arising, it would always be requisite to refer to some
superior authority, which may be responsible, not only
for its acts, but for those of its sutsordinateefiicers. It
would be just as rational to say that the head partner
of a banking house should take into his own hands, and
attempt to carry on all the minutia of the business, as-
that a man who, like thePayrnaster of the Navy, is merely
conversant with the details of the departme-t, should
take upon him to conduct and regulate the whole.
The amount of salary intended to be granted to my
Right Honourable Friend has not been disputed,,. and
all we require is, that it should be annexed to the Presi-
dency of the Board of Trade, the duties of which my
Right Honourable Friend is so capable of discharging,
and not to another office, which his lineation to the
former renders it impossible for him to fill. An, lion.
Gentleman has instanced two offices as of novel inertia.
tion, and stated they were but recently created. One of
them I would wish him twesclude from • mut:sera-
tion, because the 'Vice' Presidency of the and Of
lirSl3t
Trade has been substituted fora patios of he Pay
Office now abolishei. - In fact. one half of the Pay
Office had been abolished, and precisely the amount of
expenditure which it °twisted was transferred to,
and constituted the tolaryof, the Vice President of the
Board of Trade. Sowed! for-the first office, which back
been alluded to. With respeckto that of Vice Tseasater
of Ireland, it should beborne innsindthat it- was estab-
lished on the occasion of the-abolition.of the office of
Chancellor of the Exchequer for that ecototry ; and
withotit saying whether the substitution ;wits -good or
bad, I-am prepared to maintain
_the , establishment of
some such. office as necessarily suising.out of the &boll.
tion of the other. Something less than the amount of
salary paid to the Irish Chancellor' of the Exchequer
was appropriated to the Vice Treasurer; and when it is
considered that in that country there now only remains
with the exception of the Lord Lietnenaot, and Law
Officers of State, a Secretary, and Vice-Treasurer, that
establishment cannot be objected as superficial., nor, I
should suppose, will any body be found prepared to
assert it would be possible to cot down the establishthent
lower. I, ask, how stands the Presidency of dts,XlOird
of Tradeitself? for it has been argued as if -it were a
new institution ; yet I am prepared to say, it is an office
of very ancient date. It appears that in 171lt;.ftom
the operation of various causes, very differentfrom
those at present in action, the Board of Trade viascoasi-
Je I ed to have fallen into insignificance, and accordingly,
being considered as a sinecure. was stripped of *the sa-
lary it had previously received ; but I think ii ii suf-
ficiently evident that now, when,. from theinciestie of
our commerce, and other causes not necessary to- men-
tion, this department has grown to bt one of the, most
important in the State, it should have those salaries
wh ch were at that time abolished rostered,und is, ade-
qnate provision made for the functionidies 'cOtinected
with it. Having said so much of the Board of Trode.l
revert to the Treasurership of the Nav y--an office which,
I undertake to prove, cannot be abolished ; ban whether
its emolannents shall be reduced, or the indiehttral who
enjoys them deprived of the privilege of 'creme io:this
House, are questions not now before the Committee, but
perfectly open for future discussion.- I thirst-itellsaithat
,dae existence of an office which, witberet illotOr,Olnit all
ttise time of the person who holds it, is,,,rrivirtholest. one
el great importance to the State, sad wellealcsioted to
afford assistance to other departMents of the-Govern-
ment more fully employed, cannot well te• dispensed
with. The immediate vote now before toil Cpeaauttee
is for the purpose of establishing the Saud 'Of Trade in
a substantive form, and plating the selaeref the Presi-
dem oa a proper footing.; sad Is a awasure, dbeeibpihms of which
will afford as opportunity for expresolas she oplileauf the heels,
am Noy with respect to thew:malty of the proposed armeigwosel.
bet will also be the abeam of ecorreflog our muse of the Asti*.
gobbed talents tad asthma services fit my Ilts:Ilem Poised, at tag
mate time that she eabselosot dismiss ea the subject at do
other office wilt still resets epee, widmot prejudices,: hopoilmeet
from the eencerrence of the Commithe in the pre mat
bk. GRORGE HILL uddobe 'See el irlowlfoldlow he
Woad, which be had the hewer to hold,ambodied le
tides et Ow* of the Rolls sad Audlow.Geaserii; attualtiln Tairasa. '
were mow abolished.
Mr. BERNAL the mosodateet. MIK Wig* tut
Chancellor of thee~R oar bad said the dleollie Ireton/ ot
respnesibillty ; bat he could set discover bow o 4114100 L w
He
5,0004 a year wad secure the piblie has
thought ate ease had been Made oat why both awe est
kinked.

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Mr. CA LCRA rr, in order to give his 111140ey s Wham Far-
ther • time to consider the subject, would peps anetbithairose
do•hoer report progress, leave the chair. and ihk. Mime, eilk poi&
No individual In that House 04 sdvocats4 ikaPPANNIC:
be pursued by .Ministers with regard 19 the igrent,
411 concurred ht the propriety of it. The.o9ii.-IgetentllloKiiiii etas pre
eetil 4./ to snake. some further rentals, het leaf kittiOrepted by WE
Quese.m, penes."


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would ask th:aomealyi . olasahes. St sieoatiodja vat" toilvasaitditior at doe firer eaglitt• istialkal litaft
et thaJlelihr.ol Vehilrogig.
a nitride public oilltesiitasolit los placed. Welt 111.11=1:41111temarily litZt.iss,:bapowimies, ..,
y on. Gentinwaskiao-tisenAgatre hop. wish to
an account wit or depotit hismator in the hands of g '4ll/1/11Kak .du Crewa. i 72P‘ • the
t. ' 44. - .
, RWPORT Nu eny divonlea 114 Met to
banker who dialia bitsinggshi deputy'? Certainly pot. Obiiisient vote • ter ail ibies *Feed ea t• tie seedwiM the Itlebt
He, therefore, felt hintselflti a situation of great dill+. liess:Oentleteas;, bat die Wails ialprebie to the Macaw et
cult'', and was sore; were he in the.ptiee of the Pay_ 1b°21.4!"..",•":27.--M-T—• -re_
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road place. Ile. thought the remain which ml
the increasing the influ,tice *co., hess'l Woeld rea
two sew aces.' He, therefsilrecieja
kwidel
sh
Treistirer •oild be excl.& engrossing, so al
*Whoa that the Principle of ett never kin' our
silblt in' Pitlia&st'slielivoisi semi; So' that ii
r gad vue.3,raitoei of Trekod. thimiLsfr.is attic.
Oa HO*, tbseghtehevl‘r, was is, inc-sspasible,
hie ife entered tr. He thoeen be it Of *bet kie