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and respectful Petition of the Merchants and Owners of Ships of
the Port of Liverpool ; and it prayed for an inquiry into the present
condition of the Shipping Interest of this country, in connection
with the new system of trade and navigation.
The Petition having been brought up and read,
General GASCOYNE, in moving that it do lie upon the table,
would only observe that it was signed by a very numerous and re-,
spectable body of his constituents, many of whom were as well or
better known to his Right Hon. Cofleague than to himself—Ordered.
The same Hon. Member then said, that be now TOW for the pur-
pose o[ making s motion, in pursuance of the notice be had given
so long ago as the nth of February last.—[Here there arose a cry
of Stop, qop !" and" Go on, go on I" from different parts of the
House, and considerable commotion prevailed for some time'.
coraraurios OP TIM MINISTRY.

Mr. DAWSON rose, only for the purpose of stating
that he had bein waiting for some time, and chat he was
most anxious to put a question to the First Minister of
the Crown. He disclaimed any wish to interfuse with
the motion of the Hon. Member.

Mr. HUSKISSON said, that he certainly-had not
seen his Right Hon. Friend today ; but he had no
doubt that if his Right Hon. Friend had been apprised
--(Loud cheeri)--of the intention of the Right Hon.
Member, he would have attended in his place at. an
earlier hour, at whatever inconvenience to the other
duties in which he was probably engaged.
Mr. DAWSON said he had been in the House ever
since half.past three (Meek, at which time he had com-
municated his intention to the Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite.
Mr. HUSKISSON had jusebeen informed that his
Right Hon, Friend was expected in a very short time.
It was true he had been informed after he came down
to the House of the intention of the lion. Member, but
he had not thought hisnself called upon to send a mes-
sage to his Right Hon. Fiiend upon the subject—(Hear,
and loud :ries for General Gascoyne.)
General GASCOYNE said that he would wait, five
minutes, and if the Right Hon.Qentkman did not write
by that time he would proceed with his motion.
In a few moments Mr.Cennttro appeared in his place.
Mr. DAWSON then rose, and said that he wished to
ascertain from the Right Honourable Gentleman whe-
ther any 'measures had been taken, or were then in
contemplation, for filling up the vacant offices qfJudge
Advocate, Master of the Mint, and Surveyor. General
of Woods and Forests?
Mr. CANNING uttered, in the loudest tone, the
monosyllable " Yes."--(Strenuous cheers from the Mi-
nisterial Benches.)
Mt: DAWSON resumed.—l am rather at a loss to
know what those cheers mean; and as no answer has
been returned to my question, I shall put it.in the shape
of a motion, namely—" That an humble Address be
presented to his Majesty, praying that he would be
graciously pleased to order that there be laid on the
table of the House copies of the commissions for api
pointing a Master of the Mint and a Judge. Advocate."
!Isis I do for the purpose of ascertaining who the Gen-
tlemen arewith whom it is in contemplation to fill up
those important offices. Reports have gone abroad—.
and I know nothing on the subject but by report—that
those offices are to be filled by Honourable Gentlemen
who have lately coalesced with the Right Honourable
Gentleman at the head of his Majesty's Government.
If these reports are true, they prove it.contestably with
what success the political farce, still in progress, has
been carried on—(Hear.) I heard, the other night, the
Right Honourable Gentleman opposite declare, that he
received six resignations of his Majesty's late Ministers,
who were opposed to the Catholic claims, from Royal
hands, and in the Royal closet; and I have since heard
four of these six declare, in another place, that those
resignations had been sent in sufficiently early to have
enabled the Right Honourable Gentleman to have re.
ceived them in another place; but I am bound to
believe the Right Honourable Gentleman, that he had
received them in the Royal closet—(Hear.) hi:extra-
ordinary, however that such had been the case ; for
two of those resignations had been sent in the night
before, and two more of them before eight o'clock
of the morning of the day un which they had reached
the hands of the Right Honourable Gentleman. It
is extraordinary, therefore, that they should only
have been received by the Right Honourable Gentleman
in the Royal closet—(Hear, hear). To a man of under.
standing, however, who shall give his consideration to
the subject, little doubt of the cause of the delay will
occur. It', then, those resignations had been received
at the Foreign Office, and thence forwarded to the
Royal closet, who can deny that such a circumstance
was intended, and calculated to make an impression on
' the Royal mind—to impress his Majesty with an opinion,
' that his late. Ministers had acted in a pure spirit of fac-
, tion and cabal ?—(Hear, hear). If such impression
has been made upon the Royal mind, it is a most extra-
t ordinary circumstance that, coincident with it, a similar
t impression has been produced upon- the public mind,
• through the medium of the Press. I will not ask the
• ._

Honourable Gentleman opposite-_I will not ask the,
Honourable Secretary for the Admiralty—nor will I.
Ask the Honourable and Learned Member nearly under
the gallery .(Mr. Brougham) to account for that very re-
markable coincidence—but the naked fact is—in what.
ever manner it shall be accounted for—that the recep-
tion of those six resignations, in the way stated by the
Right Honourable Gentleman, did produce on the
Royal mind, and on the minds of the public, au impres-
sion, to the prejudice of the Ministers who have re-
tired—(Hear, hear, hear). It is important, therefore, to
ascertain who the successors of all the retiring parties are
to be; and to learn that, was the immediate object of
the question I put to the Right Honourable Gentleman,
and which I now propose in the shape of a motion. It
has been stated publicly, that the vacant places to which
I have particularly alluded are to be filled up by Gen.
tlemen who nose support his Majesty's Government.
Other accounts state, that they and others are to be
kept open until those coquetting, squeamish, Gentle-
men are ready to accept of office, or until it is.the
pleasure
of the Right Honourable Gentleman to fill up
the vacancies. The coincidence 1 have just referred to,
was r,o less strange than is the coincidence is opinictos of
the Hon. and night Hon. Gentlemen opposite. It
was st iced by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
(Mr. Blougham), oa Tuesday night, that, indeed he.bad
long entertained the same views of great questions with
those of the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of his
Majesty's G over ument-..-that no substantial difference

of opinion had
only points on which
meters of internal -
great and leading ,
man, he had with p
of knowing what the
Oman, the Hon. a,
Gentlemen who act.
to the recorded proceedi
the last five years,
tleman has held the i. :miry _ State for the
Foreign Department, I find, that so far from there hav-
ing been any ceincidenceany approximation to coinA
cidence—in opinion, between him and the Hon. sod
Learned Gentleman and his friends, on any subject's
with the single exception of the Catholic question—l
find, Lsay, their opinions recorded in determined hossi-
lity to each other—(Hear.) In the interval that has
occurred since that declaration by the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman, I have referred to the ratliamrrittry Des
bates, and I find that, within ate 'period (since the eta§
cession of the Right Hon. Gentleman to the Foreign
Office) there haVe been 95 divisions, the lists of which
have been regularly pm/treed; and the name of evert
individual voting in them against the Rigtit Hon. Genk
demon, has also been published to the world (A laugh),
Among these I find the name of the Right Hon. Gena
eleman, the Member for Knaresborough (Mr: Tieiney)
who, report stales, is to be the Master of the Mint, 49
times--(a laugh)-=the Hon. and Learned Member lot
Winchelsea 49 times—(a laugh)—a good proof of thd
constancy of his attendance to his Parliamentary dwieis
In a similar manner I find the name of the Hon. Mentz
ber for Wareham, (who is set down for office) 47 titans
The name of an Hon. Knight opposite, als3 sithilarly
occurs SO times. Now, I think it extra: rdinary, that
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman should say, there had
been a community of feeling between himself, his
friends, and the Right Hon. Gentleman, when we find
them opposed to that Right Hon. Gentleman, and td
his Majesty's Government, for the whole of the period
I have referred to, except on the Catholic Qiiestiem
which the Right Honourable Gentleman now, after all,
says, is not to be made a Cabinet question— (Hear.).io
The Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir F. Burden) says, Cad
tholic Emancipation is to bathe sine potion of his sup-
port of Ministers—(Hear). The Right Hon. Gentleman;
on the other hand, says, the supporting of-that measure
is not to be the bond of union ; and if so, if that item
be removed, what sentiment of community will have
remained between them ?—(Hear). I will now, with
the leave of the House, read a few extracts, by which
Hon. Gentlemen wiil see in what the community of
opinion referred to has hitherto existed—(A laugh). At
the head of that list stands Reform in Parliament
I(Hear). Mint find them differ in opinion upon the
Lubject.of the pension list. Mat, upon diplomatic ex-
penditure—oext, upon the influence of the Ctown.:-.
I next, upon-the question of the sinking fund—next, the
state of the criminal law—next, Scotch Representation
—next, the administration of the lan s in Ireland.—
Another question in dispute between them was the in.
terference of this country in the war between France
and Spain.• Then came the repeal of the window.taz—s
the reduction of estimates of all kinds-.:the Courts of
Justice in Scotland—theoepairs of Windsor Castle..
the Church of Ireland—the reseal of the assessed tales
—and, last of all, our Colonial policy. Now, if the re-
collection of those divisions has passed away from the
minds of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, it must have
'been effected by some proses.—some legerdemain—of
which I can form no idea. If it have not passed away,
I cannot see how those Gentlemen can sic upon those
seats—(Hear). The only bond remaining between them
is the Catholic Question ; and it o ill be tolerating, and
continuing a delusion of the most aggravated descrip-
tion, unless some Hi n. Gentleman anu.ng them shall
bring it forward—(Hear, hear, from the opposite side).
Either those Gentlemen must admit that they desert the
cause, the unity of opinion on which only keeps them
together—they must desert their duty in abandoning
that cause—or they must not suffer one week to pass
without bringing that measure forward—(Hear, hear).
I have alluded to this subject, in order to let the country
know that both of the parties who have coalesced, have
lost the recollection of every principle on which they
had agreed. For my own part, I have no hesitation in
saying, that the Right Hon. Gentleman-s-the first Mi.
nister of the Crown—his had, in the whole of his pro-
ceedings, no other object in view, than the gratifying
of his own ambition—and I must also say, he has not
been over-scrupulous in the means he used for gratifying
that ambition—(Hear). If those Gentlemen who now
support him, shall abandon that great cause.-the C-
atholic cause—(Loud laughter)—if they shall abandon
it, it will be.for reasons, and for considerations, which
the public will well know how to appreciate—(Cheers
and laughter). They will have abandoned it for those
places which, report says, they are about to accept, and
they will have abandoned it, also, for the sake of other
places which, report says, are to be kect for them—
(Hear, heat ). The Hon. Gentleman concluded by repeat.
ing the mod sn given above.
Mr. BROUGHAM, before the motion had been
seconded,
,rose, which produced a general laugh. I
should regret, Sir, that my accession to this part of the
House should have produced to me as much uneasineu
as it seems to cause my successor on the other side—
,(A laugh). If, in succeeding him, Ilium also succeeded
to a more than ordinary portion of Ministerial candour,
I will prove it by seconding the Hon. Gentleman's mo-
tion—(Hear, and at laugh). But whatever qualities I
may inherit here from them, I must do my successors
on the opposite side the justice to say, that they have
proved themselves the most apt learners of—l will not
say the tricks and wiles of faction--but, above all,they
exhibit the most dexterous perfection in the art of any
faction we have ever seen trained; for, during the whole
of my experience- in opposition, and I was no small
adept, I never witnessed such
..,"a proceeding as that of
this mreping..in whickmatter has been interjected is a
speech after a motion, of which the notice had been
studios for- some months—interrupting the Gallant
Oineral its order to pat a question—not a question, I
,
will
sag, Ore purpose of annoying his Majesty ' Go-
vognment-i-bnt a question terminating in a inotion.and
an interjectional speech, for the purpose of istroduciNl
a subject not at all connected with the matter at debate.

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