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London, England, 1829-05-05 00:00:00

' a very short time previous to his being relieved from the
GovernMent of belied:. Now, my Lards. Theft !hire
to read a few words from the correspondence wh&9 I.
have had with the Noble Marquis upon this subject; and
which will shqw; in the clearest and most distinct man-
ner. not only that he had tor some time been made ac
(painted with my views and opinions upon the subject,
' but that he *as also informed of the very grounds upon
.which those lieas and.opinions were founded. On the
nth September the Noble Lord wrote to me to the fol•
lowing effect (The Noble Doke here read a letter
which he had received from the Marquis of Anglesey,
the purport of which was, that, in the opinion ot
the Noble Marquis, the proper time was come for
granting emancipation to the Catholics. The Bishops,
he said, would be easily satisfied if some arrangement
were made about the payment of the Catholic clergy.)
To this letter I wrote the following reply, dated 28tb
September, and which I think is fully descriptive of
what my sentiments where upon the question of Catho-
lic emancipation :_(The Noble Duke here read the
letter alluded to.) he letter was dated London, 28th
September, and as we understood, was nearly to the
following effect :--‘6 I have with my colleagues. sealed
letters upon the subject of the Catholic question.
One of them has been laid before the King. The other
he has not yet seen, as he has been unwell; but I will
lay it before the King when he is sufficiently well for,
nit to speak on a subject. of which he never bears nor
never speaks without being disturbed. I never will sup-
port the measure until it is brought forward by Parlia-
ment."—(Here the letter alluded to the conduct of the
Prime Ministers upon this question from the year 1910
down to the period of Mr. Cannifig's administration.)
It continued—a From this you will see that the first
step is to reconcile the King's mind to an arrangement.
.Unless that can be done I should only deceive in speak-
ing of it.at all. or in mentioning any plan that may be
submitted to Parliament for a settlement of the ques-
tion. Some are of opinion that the difficulties in
Ireland would be got rid ot by granting emancipation.
At present it is quite clear that nothing can be done."
I certainly had occasion to write to the Noble Lord on
the 11th of December, with respect to certain transac-
tions which were going on in Ireland, and which I found
very materially increased the difficulties Which had so
long existed in Ireland. But, before Igo further upon
this point of the subject, I entreat the House to advert
to the situation of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and
to consider what-that situation really is. The officer who
fills it is endowed with as great or even greater power
than is entrusted to any subject of any other Sovereign
in the world. But at the same time that officer holds
his situation through a medium which renders him
respbnsible to this' country ; and it is the duty of
Ministers to intimate to the Lord Lieutenant if he is
acting improperly, or in such a manner as to create
difficulties to the State or disturbances among the peo-
ple, er if his conduct in the discharge of the duties of
his office should be displeasing to his Majesty. Under
such particular circumstances as these, it ii the duty of
his Majesty's Ministers in this country to inform him of
it, audit is, moreover, their undoubted duty to commu-
nicate to him what the views of the Government might
be with respect to the country of which he Watt placed at
the head. Upon this part of the subject I think the Noble
Marquis has nothing to complain, for I every day in.
formed him of the circumstances detailed in the let-
ter which I have read. I should, indeed, have been
highly to blame if 1 bad not communicated the
in-
structions contained in that letter to the Noble Lord.
Arid now I must beg leave to say, that I was
not very far wrong in the opinion which I formed of
the two Magistrates which have been alluded to in the
correspondence upon the subject; for in a very short
time afterwards tbq correspondence ceased, and those:
two Magistrates were struck out of the commission of:
the peace in Ireland—(A laugh). It was my duty to
let the Noble Marquis know what wry 'opinion Of the
conduct of those persons really was. After that it was
quite obvious to me, as I am sure it must have been to
all of you, my Lords, who bare heard the correspoo.
dence which has this evening been read, that t
Noble Lord could go on no longer in the situation in
which he stood. I might have been wrong, but this 1
must say, that in my opinion the tiling was impossible—
we could not go on together any longer. But 1 did
not take upon myself the responsibility of the removal
of the Noble Lord. I produced the correspondence
which had transpired between us to my colleagues, and
they were of the same opinion upon the subject as my.
self. I then communicated the result ot our delibera-
tion to his Majesty, arid received it as his pleasure that
a communication should be made to the Noble Mar-
quis, informing him that it had been determined to
relieve him from the government of Ireland. The
order for his relief was not occasioned by any letter
which had been addressed to me. It was occa-
sioned entirely by the previous correspondence, and
more particularly by a paragragh of one of the Nohle
Lord's letters which had been published in the Irish
Journals. I received his Majesty's pleasure that this
communication should be made to the Noble Marquis
on ac 27th .1 December, and on the following day I
made it accordingly. Having so far explained the cir-
cumstances under which the Noble Lord was removed
hum the Government of Iceland, I must beg leave
to say that I entirely deprecate such discussions as
this. I feel that they can do no good. I feel that
they can be productive of nothing but irjury to the
public—and I am quite convinced-that tine Noble
Marquis scold feel much more satisfied with him-
self if he had abstained from bringing this subject
forward. I now come to the other pare of the subject,
viz, the sudden removal of the Noble Lord. He was„
ih toe first place, merely told that he was to be relieved,
and it was understood that he ;would amain in hi,
government until it was convenient to relieve him.
This understanding was grounded upon a lrtter which
the Noble !darnels had written upon the 14. h of Sep-
tember, in which he stated that, as it was possible his
Majesty might feel the expediency of making a difference
in the government of Ireland, it was his most anziouswish
to facilitate any measures that .Ministers might bring
forward with a view to afford any relief to the Ca-
tholic inhabitants of that country. by meeting his
Majesty's pleasure in every way in his power. Buy'
notwithstanding all that was 'expressed in that letter,
the communication which I have before alluded to
was made on the 28th of December, and the Noble
Marquis ceded on 'the 80th. But previous to this
I received a letter - from Dr. Curtis, dated 4th
of December, to which I wrote an answer on the 11th,
which the Doctor thought proper to publish. Now, I
know it has been said that there never was such a'
letter as that which I wrote to Doctor Curtis; and,
although I have a letter from the Doctor which might
perhaps be deemed almost, if not quite, as extraordinary
as mine. I shall not follow his example by publishing
4114( which I consider a private letter. On the 80th of
December the Noble Marquis received the order for his
relief. Qa the Ist of jantiary appeared in one of the
paper is the Int* wheels I had addressed to*Dr. Cams,
together with *coltish& upon it. The Noble Lord ad-
di tsied 'I letter to De:Caitis Gs the 25(1. By a singular

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