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have told hint what be here States. No such thing had token
place at the time. It might have been invented; but that the
well-known Gentleinan who accompanied,"upon this decision,
the well-known Mr. Krouse, Could tell by mere chance what hap-
pened in a year after, is as utterly impossible, as that 2'he Died'
was written by chance. We are nqw familiar with the arrival of
Italian witnesses; bat, my Lords, if.we carry our ininds back to
July of the year 1819, can we suppose for # moment that any per-
son then dreamt of a tutbult occasioned by such a circumstance?
This, on the part of the witness, was evidently the invention of a
moment to cover his retreat from the disadvantageous position

of credibility that (Indoor w nanfesses to falsehood and pre-
vesication—that candour-Iv/3kb iniaet proves that a witness is
not to be believed. As to her explanations, it is impossible to
admit them. Her detsbkenlendrcs do not fit. Her intention In
the letters is, from the letters themselves, quite intelligible. It
is rendered unintelligible by. taking her cipher. It is doubtful
only when she begins to envelope it in her own falsehoods- and
lies. A plain honest man, solely intent upon telling the truth,
never entangles himself in such a miserable web. He moves
forward in the evidence he has to give, exciting no suspicion in
his progress, but goes powerfully on to his object, tearing
through all such flimsy impedimenta, I trust your Lordships
will believe this woman to have been sincere when she praised
her Illustrious Benefactress, that she then spoke in the eloquence
of feeling, In the ardour of gratitude, in the sincerity of a heart
not yet fofgetful of favours received, and that it was only in con-
sequence of her dismissal, in consequence of her refusal to take
her back, in consequence of the promises held out to her, that
she entered into this business, and joined the-band of the other
conspirators who were arrayed against her Illustrious. Mistress.
It would appear that she was kindly and warmly attached to
her own sister, that she loved her sincerely. She said that the
principle en which her conduct proceeded was anxiety for the
welfare of this sister. I take her own account of the matter,
though Ido not believe it. She represents herself as affection-
ately attached tp her, and does everything in her power to
procure her a place in the service of the Queen, in that house
which, if all or even half of what your Lordships heard at this'
Bar be true, should be considered, as my honourable Friend,
the Attorney-General, said, not as a palace, but a brothel. Her
letters, however, in which she solicits a place for her sister, were
written after she left this brothel—after she made application
to be restored to the service of the Queen and was refused. Can
these circumstances be believed in connexion with each other?
, Though we may account for her anxiety to continue one sister
in the service, and to have another received into it, what expla.
nation can be given of her own application? They were poor;
she, according to her own account, was rich. She had no occa-
sion to go back. Ilowas this to be explained? Must we say
that the prudent and frugal Swiss chambermaid balanced against
each other the profits and disgrace of the situation, and that the
former preponderated in her mind ' • that she was willing to act
upon the principle of that Roman Emperor; who, so he raised
a tax, was not over-solicitous as to the nature of the material?
However this might be, whatever were the motives of this
chaste and delicate shepherdess, certain it is, that many months
after her dismissal she endeavoured to get into the service of
the Queen one sister, who was wily fifteen, and to retain in'tt
another sister of seventeen. Such is her own account of the
matter. Ido not after all believe she was so bad, that she was
so regardless of her sisters morals and welfare, as to desire they
should fill a situation in the Queen's house, if she thought it to
be the brothel described. I believe she was sincere in her let-
ters in her praises of her Illustrious Benefactress, in her wish to
return to the service, in her desire that her sister should con-
tinue in it ; but I believe when she was dismissed, when her
application for being again taken back- was refused, she then
joined in this crusade against the Quern, and gave her testimony
in utter ignorance that these letters could be brought forward
against her. So much for this lady and her virtuous testimony.
—I now come to that amiable gentleman, M. Sacebi ; and
here I cannot but observe, with great satisfaction, what a
change has taken place within a few years in the sentiments of a
certain-class of men in this country. The manner in which my
Learned Friend (the Attorney-General) alluded to this witness,
as a person raised on account of his merits to the rank of an
officer in the French army, chews how greatly prejudices have'
vanished within a few years, as well ag iinst such Italians as ,
served in the French army as against the French themselves.
Some time back it would have been thought a most strange
thing indeed that the principal witness in such an important trial
as this, in a matter of such extraordinary delicacy, an inquiry
involving the highest interests of the country, should be a person
who had served under that implacable enemy cf our commerce
and our glory, the Corsican Usurper, as he was called. No
person venturing to predict such a thing would have been be-
lieved. I remember that whole volumes were written for the
purpose of proving, that any man's being promoted as an hussar,
or partisan of Bonaparte, implied everything base, everything
hostile to this country, and to the peace of the world. Here,
however, is a cast-off servant, a courier, a person who can only
say, that he served as a common soldier in the French army, and
was refused the place of Serjeant in another service, living now
at great expense, keeping his servant and all this because he is
employed to give testimony against his former mistress. I beg
of your Lordships to look to the account he gives of himself. He
has appeared unc'er various names, four at least; three whole
ones, and a dinfeoettses one. On hia first at rival he commenced
simply with Milani, but then, in compliment I suppose to your
Lordships, he assumed two—(A laugh/. He said he came
over in the service of a Spanish family, but this was a douPc
entendre. lle that represented himself as having come on a
law suit. Ile positively denied that he was well paid. How
then does he live? I low conies it that he is able to keep a ser-
vant? • lie left the Queen while in the service of courier, and
emu-eased a wish to be taken back. It is not probable, there-
fore, that he abounded in money; and by what means has he
been enabled to live in such expensive style? In this, as well
as in other respects, he resembles Miss De Mora. They both
ERA expensively, and both deny that they received any money
unless for necessary expenses. lie sad that he never had more
at his banker's than fitly Napo'. - Being asked wheth:r he
ev.r repreaented himself as haying more? he would nut say.
L is plain 11-.11.1 this that he eves appreliens;ve of being detected
in a falsehood. If he .never had more than this sum at his
banker's, could he, if be was a man of Huth, hesitate about an-
swering the question, whether he ever represented himself as
having rune ? 'T hough he said be had more when he had not,
be niigh: hive easily got over the difficulty. lie would merely
have told two du hie ent:nd.-Js in place of one--(1 laugh). He
was asked if he ever said that he was in a miserable situation,
ard taxed himself with ineratitude to his benefactress ? " Never.
Were you ever iu a situation that required compassion ? Never.
Did you ever ask any one to speak to the Princess to have you
restored? I may. Did you ever tax yourself with irgrati-
tede? Never. Are these letters yours? They are; I might
have written so, but I did not say so." Now when such a
question had been put, would any honest man shelter him-
self wider the mere word soy, under so pitiful a quibble as
this? And now, my beds, 1 will draw your attention to one
of those extraordinary and providential ace:dents which some-
times occur to defeat coral ;racy and protect the innocent. Pro-
t:do:OA 1 must call it, fur innocence is alWays the care of, Pao-
vtnesee. Being asked why be charged his name? he said it was
ire consequtince..of the tumult that took place. Being asked
wbeu he changed it, luckily he forgot the date, and said it was
in July, 1819, be came to this country and changed his name.
Now the tumult at Dover did not occur till the July following,
in 1820. These are the accidents by which conspiracy is de-
feated, of which any of your Lordships might become the vic-
tims to-morrow. When the Attorney-Ueneral came to this point
in the re-examination be did not press it, aware that it would be
only making bad worse, hut fortunately one of your Lordships
put the question. I shall now beg your Lordships to turn to
page 459 of the evidence, and, for the purpose of preserving the
conoection, I will read the questions and answers as they refer to
this important circumstance :—" When did you set out for Eng-
land? 1.1 July of last year. Be so good as to say what was your
motive fin' taking that name at that time in Paris? After I
knew that I was known in London by that name, I tried to
sh :lee myself against anything that might happen to me.—
W het tureu:: bed happened at that time which induced you to
tike that name ? I was warned that the witnesses against the
Queen might have run seine risk if they bad been known. Had
you beers infoirued that they actually had run any risk? They
had not had any rabchief. What do you mean, by saying, that
ire sonseqte-oce set the tumult that had happened you teak that
name? WMle I was in Paris a gentleman came, accompanied
by the courier, Krouse, and this gentleman told sae that it
wouLi be necessary for me to charge my name, because it The Countess Gun, and several other witnesses, on behalf of
would be too darigerons to eptUC to England under my own her Mamie, in addition to those which had before cerise over,'
name, as 1 had told him I was known in London under my own , arrived in town yesterday, Ws Dover.
name. Did he say that a tumult had taken. place? He told I • Saturday, six troops of the 4th Light Dragoons marched frees
me of some discard-tr. On what occasion did he say that that Canterbury fur the vicinity of the Metropolis, four to Croydout.l
disorder or tumult had taken place? He tied me no more. I I and two to Bromley, where they are to remain during the pro. j
understand you to say, that it was in respect of other persons, ceedings in Parliament regarding the elezete—Saturday, du
what do you Mean by other persons? I meant to say that some troops of the lith Dragoons also left Brighton Barracks, for the
disorder had already taken place in respect of other persons on vicinity of London.
the saute account. fur simiter causes. What do you mean by I Coale-Exeneyee, Mass-Watt, OM 4.—We had hut little
same account, ter similar causes?. I have repeated what the Wheat fresh up this morning, but a very considerable quantity
gentleman odd me. Did you understand that it referred to remained over from Monday's supply, for which there was
wititeases wait had conic to give evidence in the case of the , or no demand to-day; a few whet samples obtained Mug •
Queien? I believe it was to this purpose. Did you know that . prices, but no offers were made for the inferior 3,tiahae, of
any witueseea bed at that time conic over to give their evidence . which description the inakte-Plln of the suPPlVebniistas fleet
in the cause of the Queen? I did not know certainly, but in the Essex and Suffolk. Barley is is. pet:smarter cheaper, and very
same way that I was coming X thought It probable that others dull sale at that decline. Thor -Oat trade was very heavy at
might have conic." • j Monday's prices. *Means sad Yea bat little doing, although
Bactoonast proceeded. I deny that any pewit could, •IktatWin lower terms. • -
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he had unwarily got into. It is only by such circumstances that
conspiracy can be detected, and this leads me to remark, that if
it can be *hewn, act trust it is, that there is perjury op the part
of this most materittof all the witnesses, the case is at an end. I
come now to another circumstance, that which is said to have
occurred in the carriage. I will put it to your Lordships,
whe-
ther it be in the smallest degree credible, that such a thing
could take place in the open day, without any covering, un-
der circumstances where detection was absolutely unavoidable?
Will your Lordship believe, that with a knowledge that a
courier was always travelling by the side of the carriage, that
he frequently came to raise up the blinds; with a certainty that
if discovered it must blast her character for ever, render her
odious, disgraced, and degraded in the eyes of mankind, will
your Lordships believe that any female, I will not say a Prin-
cess, but the most vile and abandoned of the sex could place
herself in such a situation? Credulity must go still higher.
Even if your Lordships believe that this occurred once, you
must stretch your belief still further, for Sacchi says, he
witnessed it not once but often. Does this carry with it
the least shade of likelihood ? Is it in the common
coarse of things, even with the most profligate and aban-
doned of females ? The circumstances themselves without

the aid of contradictory testimony of any kind are enough
to refute the charge. Here are two persons in a coach,
going at the rate of nine or ten miles au hour, with their hands
placedand oontinuing for a considerable time in the same position,
notwithstanding the jolting of the coach, notwithstanding their
being asleep. If a philosopher, whose only object was the dis-
covery of truth, were to assert the possibility of such a thing it
could not obtain belief, and your Lordships are called upon to
give credit to it on the testimony of the immaculate Sacchi! No
description was given of the carriage. Why has not this been
done? What if I shall prove that it was an English carriage,
with spring blinds, which could nor be opened in the way the
witness has described. What if I shall shew that it was not Sacchi,
but another person who acted as couritr upon that occasion? lam
not called upon to db this. Why were not these circumstances
gone into by the Learned Gentlemen who conducted the case
against the Queen? It was their business not mine. They ought to
have brought forward every circumstance necessary to establish
the charge of guilt. An accuser has no right to demand that
witnesses should be called in proof of innocence. Sacchi was
asked if there was any other person in the carriage at the time?
Nos ml ricwdo. He recollected nothing of it. I beg your
Lordships to attend to this important circumstance. Does his
asserted want of resollection here look like truth? There was,
howeveria third person in the carriage, as I can }rove. To the
question, whether he ever mentioned the circumstance to any
person, he answered, never until he was examined. Is this
likely ? Can rier Lordships believe it ? When a servant wit-
nessed such a thing a this, can it be supposed that he kept his
mouth hermetically sealcd, that he never once mentioned it to
any person, that' he did not communicate it even to the genth
and tender De Mont, with whom be was in habits of intimacy
for so long a time? It is remarkable that all the witnesses were
uniform in stating, that they never mentioned a word of what
they knew until called before the Milan Commission. Cow iers,
chambermaids, masons, gliders, carvers, all were unanimous in
this assertion. Sacchi, indeed, to give a plausible variety to the
case, was better instructed. Ile admitted that he told it to
some persons, but he couldnot name one. If it was improbable
that he could witness such a thing without telling it, it was
equally improbable that he could have told it without recollect-
ing to whom. I now come to another witness, the chamber-
maid at Carlsruhe, and I say her story is impossible—.
The hour of four having now arrived, Earl Garr moved,
that the House do adjourn.—Adjourned.

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