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Lewd CORRY. on seconding the Address,. a id. he.
etriiiird wit aiitleA the Hiiiiii iii riiilklnk ittaiii ribiitia.
• Ilk** but sidVll:i ttitifi.4 hittistlf tb a fete rethatio on
shot part of the Speech Which had not been referred to
by his Noble F s seno. , It was gratifying to the country
to bear the friendly position. ta which we stood with
nearly all f 'rein Prince., and that endeavours were
• Meting fur iffettilig a'c'ts otY of pacifitition between the
thionsan NYte and It•isito ; .e was alter highli gretifv.•
leg to find Mutt this cotton'''. in concert with the .Allies,
eils exerting it.elf to „effect the pacification of Greece.
He also congratulitted the House on the rent and nt 0-
*tei,ive impruienient Which had taken place in the
'Revenue, ind he hoped tile putlic stpeoclituie would
'be equally advantageous to the Country. He had now
`poly.one Mote t.,pit to refer to, which was the last in
Iria.Alajeso Speeclis He was convinced the House
,:told have great siitisfaction in carrying into effect his
' lit jelly's iectittitheod'ation f r itippressin4 the Cath,.l.c
Asl.4iiition; Which lie viewed as having been the cis*
'pi all, or nearly all the anarchy that had existed in Ire-
lihid, and as having infl 'fried the worst passions of the
ientile Dom one end of the country to the other; he,
Attain e, ti usied the House would tioliA his M'ajest) in
tbissriving the great cause of all these evils. His Ltd
phipcould to t conceive any danger would arise to the
Protestants ol Iceland by the proposed conce.sionsto the
Catholics; on the contrary, his Lordship thought they
Louis' enjoy greater seentitP, as all those taus.* of jea
lousy and hatred which had been the occasion of so
limy dissentious Niemen theta, Would be now removed;
and when it was te fleeted the length of time under which
Ireland had laboured under civil disabilities, too much
honour and credit could not be g!ven to the Noble
'Duke and his ctilltagoe, the Right Honourable the
S.'cretary of State for the Home Department, for
their wisdom in acceding to and brining before the
II use a measure which would conciliate the angry
feelings of all parties. He cheerfully. agreed with the'
Address, under the lull impression that it was time
fomething was done for all. parties; but in admitting
these. principles, be did not mean to bind himself to any
particular Measure to be brought forward, but te•erved
litias.ielf ;o judge of the proposition intended to be sub-
Inked to the House, when it should be brought for-
ward for its consideratiou; but he. had full confidence
that nothing Would be .proposed by which the Consti-
tdtinn of the &mitt y. would be injured.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE said he bad. never in his life
. ~
Widening
wets ;tiels: a Speech as the pr• sent out—froni the dening to end
it Went on prodUeirig pleasure and joy. It w.s indeed a singular
Speech, for it seemed to comprehend all native and things; to in-
Chide all men of all *ea ; and of the ottoman Porte and the Ca-
*ONO AnitsciatlOn With equal care and from. He could not,
Were he disposed, vote against the Address, because be held his
geit.under Govetnment-(A laigh).. Hithe!tto he had Voted with
his Right Honourable Friend ( 111...Pee1) ; but his Right, Honour-
able Friend, as one of his Majesty's kiloliters, had.conceded one
point, citi which hi bad great ditSculty before, and it vraa evident
Mit hi doing so hewas influenced only by motives pf wish and
sound policy. If the Members of she Catholic Association had
any brains in their isea4—(la.lighter)-4e very first thing they
should do, after the Kings Speech reached Dublin, was to shut up
die_doot of their house of meeting. .They ought to put one of
Brantait's best locks upon it, and never open it again. For his own
put, be‘was quite eeady..to junk. heart and hand .in a. measure
which was calculated io mai* Ireland strisat.it ought to be, a truly
integral part of the ihitish empire—(Chars). ..
' Mt. 6ANICES ia;.l, he ihOuld Witih for lOts eipla.
ffitien Of the Litter Pin of the ilieeck, Li; die iliniiteir pre-
pared with any speak Oseistiiii? If they were, why did oat
they honestly, and with that manliness which wai so mach boasted
off bring lkeits.forYfre.,_—(hest, hen).. Hol.wisbed tohnow dis-
tinetg!frisits ikcilight Hcinourable ,Seere taCy, fen
,t(je Home De'piitmeet. P iiimeiii. Whit was the fist ? . If any measure war prepared, that
House had ar w alight to know hit it viii, so that through fiat,
sPettlerewilghl.be made known to the public—(.Hear). When he
°int° 7,wirt bad Pe•e4. and, saw fooir of his Hots. Friends
stittitifit tig !irk. Places, by filt,astenisbed... Bad It mu bees for
ivory', wmeb were ten lend adult _too. often repeated us .be at
once throwituldis ..lie. 5b00.14. bate ,concluded that what kad.kett
said, ,W is Unfrisinticd; fist it was i calumny term, those, so whom
ft refined, and that those line. Gentlemen were still tbeirm sap.
llOrSera.of the :Ptottl444lt-Cburcli. He. blamed tto; those who
slistr:Xlit diftercotlyto what he did t be gale them credit for being
caesdeortriesle thefr.conaect. aPd. for +Ant what they really be,
heied lest; but Who be saw go
,Helot a, change-re change not
.0010 ret.ll Va.geWprgetaisupcitT4te add sec called .for by oaf
new eireuinstances, for. with reapect• to the Catholic Aisocistitinj
Wert tipt proceedings of that uncoosdtutional hotly any thing.rowy
tapir, heir).. Most unquesiousbly not. Were they net ktowq
011ie Government and that .House four years ages ? . Four years
ago big Majesty s GiWernearet..estna-tiosaato warething like, that
is the Speech of that day respecting the Catholic AWociatii*
"fled spas the Home fur &ashram., to put it down. That assist-
114**,i!aa &VD, The stow was among, thelr..recouls- If the
P.m the* to Government were _nut sellicksit. they ,ought to
bilge applied formore.; but they 414.90 *ltch- thine: Ai! sild. Doi
even use those thiy had. apd.he himself had told thews° on mind
occasions than one.. As 0 gbe,present -proposition. if it was io-
trnded_to save the appearance Of the. one party. by potting down
th‘Pt4holic Association, aid to return to gratify .the ether by
granting to the. CatholUs what they. wanted, it was a base com-
promise. If this simmdd prove to he. the case, ..
a* Treason had done its wont.* . . . -.
The Catholic dsseclation had done Its worst. Waa it from
littimidaliott and Angels a dread of the . Catholic Association;
fiat his Aisitrarya Government were. now about to introduce
11101 a measure as .lif,mancipation—(Hkar). .H. begged, Ahern.
fatoon know distinctly, before.he gave a, vote—for, although on
. Wismar occasions, the courtesy was ti say that by greeingotra the
Address OW Plwilla ltourself to nothing. yet, in this particular ease,'
ouch reasoning would not satisfy itinii although ,it appeared to do 1
I the Noble Seconder of the Address—be .wished to know whether
it was intended to admit the Roman Catholics to political power---
1 and saiiire,sll. to the awn important of political power. setts in
the* two Houses of Parliament ? If de . a.. change in the Con-
wittiness was apt coded, he himself o
was , perfectly
the
that a '
vtlriffw jears.tißer it.rrns.put .In execution, the Church of Ire-
len( would cease to exlst—(Heail , 1
,i Sir R. INGI4I sand!.if he hid any doubt is to the
'es'antrik oihii tilitii!iY'i *teak it WoUld bid beiti de.elded bit that
speech' of the Nome Pryer oT, die 4ddiess.. In, o=ooo-p lace
Rapids. tit! word "c der-" iiiiianYt9 tile ittars‘qi subject into
ainstdrialork•—(A laugh): flit in tlifliariktilif Casklt Meant can-
aiiiiiii.— Seleie fida. illair.f• appeared 10:.$11aVept.). Ai wiin-
tilietrtliiit #ldaiand in ainlirmithin if his giterirrtation he would
*OM rii chi Hon. Baroti'et.thes Illktidwi for Weiiminner;,Ol to
nor oilier Minds* who had bicitiffie tiros:re alit motion upon the
subjecOn which the word was used—( Hear). Such then behig" the
disc, would any mai, in that Heise tall hint Alit ft wai not intended
to *mina, the Proteirint Church? He maintaloed that such
eon be the elect of hardier cohcesilon to the Roman Catholics.—
/1; bad no doubt tbit:a system of indaddation hid mandy led to
the presentresult. Hi wits aware that public ciphsion bad often
lit.„,oduriicksitles In public feeling; Imp in the rase of the Catholic
Weds* it wasdechledly cod sinerpdeur,ally against any furtheem*.
ees-lash to tenths public 9ploioq was Dow Awl,' ARkttPailY ogang
if-,The peArliotf &eland ;stayed for.clie.preservllon ol be; rro-
"At PiDAtnitOlixt owsb as. stowto iie Aiclft iflft
ftatim.thit ilsetr, prat erwoui Rim .Iye isnatt to7(lllgar,,4ear).
It !psi a ' - gliarili *false the cycitutiiiit tbkt they took, no
ti. ~- tr., relitiltion fit* &Tip? for Chireflii if a,
id t'elt'en
,plVei•l;i!erihe , rtele tau f.f.#.#*.T. Yis
, fit'is.f - . lt de diii- of fah Mat p#roas us prit
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. 1 • Mee 'riot tioittof td eel i;sr al .eyents rtiil, ware
Utica Aspteirini illiiilk,Pi, '-' ' . 0 for Hen' fpture. rilese Pie-a-
gcredlt
Ione; gairtWi. tliN lit:F(7(4; ' ilign. he eilpieiikinirslimi
iumeteeken.ebiatioomidolow.,o4 Alta: alone. Waled to. AV rgc'"'
asuiliale I I cossta)Pird hi Isla Majesty p Speech irtutt.the Thane.—
llaxab*.ia the Sleuth of Irpland and, tisclaltlete.ittgOlits itad
produced it i. sod whit.: bi.44ed,, was it they .bed ititipsidsted ?
%Vby no lees a man, dian Ailig. llkakeett. Welliniton—tHear).--
Ate would not now occupy mo,/ es.the thskof *colleen than to
Oar that he was a .decided. Amply. to coneeesian to he Citholic-,
iseceMe he eddied st)•011Intn the PrWistant ContiltilliAlls
4trd AILLIVN .41. he 11,,5* to addresi the .House
il'all 'Fri diffe'lli reillogs (Op thine which actuaitd:the Hon.
baronet. Ilirears4 nay th'ititti firs ,41i;listis visa& greater saris
Getiesi than on the. prestos oreasion. and be hoped that the union
oaalreii),,aiiiailla r. 4ritill by the pintwed nieutures. It win.
tgir o Mals loin oi te dief:Toverurnetir.md it masnore dsisbni
taut voligiry. thi. present weir ewer* gtiorioui 'thaw the victory ni
..let es, C the ,thistle e.ltiquevt eras one over pre/edict—a phrase
liiiis lie use.lwithunt any invidious tne4hitit—Aut that was alio
couss7,r., tie vvristid net akar into aril strut
'l•es FM, i't itt• RIO.. kit dill k v%eit ' .' that tilinireS
I. • g7l:k.t Aior iiitatrifi'Aidalen dse' l'•-ii A'stocalsra aouid,

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*semi the w eve every eafneett and •
31ajtoty'l Garman% Sant bake* that they woad iit i
iewo wid.aoneeroble etatoww. _ •
. Mr. N; FITZQERALD ea premed the delight wbitb
lie facie I;tasies tho Spaeth ken the Thee,. Ile bed leog,ea.
•tie!ilated that the mill oiled cif the Dike Of Weltkoven , would
ice safer Wand to moils ii the ieedhiest to addek the hid. keg
beat plied. f t was aid, however; that the roptald 111144ailln
nose free% lotholdades...hothaidadao. Wad! and that tip.. as,

Dubs cle,nalffspustreue.. The ilinstrious
Duke was actuated by far difereest ntedvesg he wished to gone.
vent a civil wit; and if he hid not interfered. there .was no
mowing what would he the result. His Governitent
deserved the grateful thanks of the country s and he was sure
that the security of property and the stational honour would be
elf ctuaily secured by the wise, and s.lotary measures to be, pro:
posed fur the torisiderathin of the House. With respect to the
Catholic Association. be thought. if they bad any wisdom. they
would not require a legislative measure for its dissolution. Again
he thanked the Government for the wisdom they had displayed,
and he hipped their eih;rts would he crowned with deserved success.
Mr. MAX 4ELL decd sreti his decided hostility to
any further c.meessioti being Made to the Roman Catholics. Hi
had so pledged himself to his constituents, and he Considered that
be would be unworthy of a seat in that House if he did not thtts
openly .spd feelemey declare his opinions. Ile regretted that ma
this occasion he was obliged to differ with, those Hun. piristada:
whom he had been so long aitailied, brit a sense of duty cc
hiM to make these few observations.
, Mt. EILOWNLOW said. that he was actuated by
Stelingt.of gratitude and joy ; bat by none more than those IE4
'genera of the sentiments contained in his , Majesty's Madame
Speech from the ThiOne. From that Speech every matt le Ireland
must derive pleasure, and every man henceforth would be anoint/
to worship his Ceirroa as be thought proper. There were some
passages of the Speech which he thought harsh and unmeessary,
yet he,now felt more real pleasure than on .aor ether occasion slam
he catered into public life. The peace and prosperity of , [Mimi
wails& now be secured, and all the best Institutions of this, sim
mink, be 'laced upon a more valid and permanent roundel's...l;
This he might say, is the language of his countrymen,
great day fur Ireland,' and he trusted for the future, In
wti
of the distinction
of Catholics and Protestants, that all
be known as Fellow-Christians and Members of a Free State....
,(Hear. hear; hear). Such measures as these now recommended
would confer real honour on their author, and shed more red
lustre upon the Duke of Wellington than the ensaneuitted
glades of Waterloo—(ber. bear). He must mates. he envied
the glories of that transcendently great man, that he should fall en
arch times and such circumstances as to be able to bring this me
unctuous question to so happy a consummation. Pitt and Pm,
Wyndkant.and Sheridan, would have died to accomplish this great
object ;hiost It was reserved far the Duke of Wellington to achieve
what their best efforts could Dot accomplish. The wand of. the
Catholic's enchantment, to nee the language of one of the most
eloquent men. JD the Association, was their oppression, anal that
once t 'ken away or censored by liberal concession. he was sere his
colahttymxii would bail the proffered boon with the most grateful
and ardent affection, and an unabated love fur the prosperity of
Me British Empire., tie hoped that neither threats nor taunt,
wield diet the Government from proceeding ; he hoped that
elfeld Siet hherolits. and not with a grudging band, and them he
,doieght that all.the weakness and divisions in the Empire drool
by at an rod. If the Gueeenment were taunted. as they might be,
with britig.,di (rated on th.s great question, they Might triumph?
aptly anewsr, that inevitable circumstances and the general into►
tests of she coon ry had aloste fed to k—(Hear, hear).
Mr. (4. MOQUE said, the announcement of Emits?
eipatiun would be received by the people of Ireland with sork,
and dismay, however it may be received by a portion of the
people of England. With respect to the Meetings adverted to, and
denominated as mobs. he could Watt? that the character of . them
!rag decidedly the contrary—they were composed of rank, chancier,
and talent, and were truly of a description not only respectable, hut
most icluential. On the subject of Catholic Emancipative hit opi7
Mons remained unchanged; he entertained the greatest, respect for
the character and abilities of the Duke,of Wellington, but he emd4
not consent to surrender those opinions. fle.bad his doubt, of Ilse
policy of,thitliart tat the Address whkb related to Inland, audit
thought the only accusity for preserving inviolate the Protestant
Establishments was to adhere to the principles of the Consiitution
of Iftii—(tlear). , .
The )oltifiTtlf K4KKYezplaioe3. dieCkimed
Ili intention of casting reflections open the ,protestant meetings
whitebad tidien place in Ireland within the last de months.
Mr. Secretary PEEL then 'rose, and addressed the
peaker as follows—Sir, I trust that my Honourable
'Friend who has s, oken last, and my Noble Friend who
represents the county of Buckingham, and my two
Honourable Friends opposite,will believe that, amongst
the sacrifices of tieing which a public man in the dis-
charge of a public duty infrequently obliged to make,
the most distressing is, when they find themselves com-
pelled by an irresistible sense of duty to separate them-
selves in public affairs 'from those men for whose hue.
grity and Conicent•
imis conviction they entertain the
most sincere and the most profound respect. But my
Honourable Fria nds, Whilst they continue to maintain
,the opinions which they have always entertained, and
to act tip to the fill extent of those opinions, will, I
trust, admit that myself and his Majesty's other
Minis-
teri are placed in I condition somewhat &Erma from
that ofussy liOnonr usable Blends. They will admit
that we have access to some s:urces of information
which are inaccessible to them ; that we a e answerable
for cOnsequences for .thick the, are not answeralde;
and, above. all, that we stand in a :elation the
Crown Which irripoies duties of a high and peculiar na-
ture in the persons so situated, and which obliges them
honestly and candidly to give to the Crown the brit ad-
vice which it may be in their power to tender in any
state of circumstances which may arise. Placed in this
relation to the Crown, we have no alternative remain.
ing ; and, whatever may be the understanding on which
an adMinistration may have been formed—whatever
stipulations may have been made with reference to par-
ticular opinions—such Compact. and reservations can-
not relieve a Minister from giving the Crown his
mositive advice #n iron any important conjecture which
say arise. There is no expression
.of reproach
which can proceed from my Honourable Friends
'Which` I shall take ill; but, although I no entortain,
open this itlisjecr, the same opinions which I have ever
.entertained, yet I think my Honourable. Friends will
.adasit,that it is not impossible to entertain the same opi-
nions as befqe,.withnut posiessing the power nf press-
ingg in practice to the extent which we may
and I Unhesitatingly declare that there is'A in the
:present circumstances, much less of evil, and much
of danger, in taking the state of Ireland into con-
,xideration with A. united government, than there could
be found in any other course whateTerl I pretend to
no
new light upon the iubject I entertain the semis
principles whikri I have ever entertained upon the sub.,
.j ct. 1 *Ow see as Clearly as ever the dangers upon;
,which I have so often dwelt. But I am bound to deka!
dere, that the pressure of present evil is so great and
ovetwhelminit, that I am, willing to incur the, risk of
tshine ientingent.dangei to esCipe from that which is
great ind iihminint(cheirs). Retaining the opinions
'sfill'oict I have eve' entellained upon this itibject, and
which. I have s 6 fiequently expressed in this place, I
ipym jp.r.se say that, cnnsidming.the position of the go
.. .rnment of the country and.the position of the legiv-
ifuieconsideriti* the disinion which has prevailed
this stiqed in hit Majesty's Cotincili, and oppoil
idon whikh it had for the list given years produced
.between the two Hou us cf Parliament—and, consi-
,dering the, effect of. all these circumstances upon the
state of Ireland, I see grounds which induce me v.) ac-
cept al'mos't my tilternative as an amendment upon
tut present condition. F the list 25 yeais 011ie Mr.
('itt came into Office, in'the year 11306) there has existed
t division in his Majesty's Councils upon the subject of
.fie men Cruhnlic.questile.
,The.government bad
at ditferent.proviouatiutervals adopted ! common course
reiistinef to airyr eft4raliOn'of these laws. But for the
'Felt eve- did tieelity years differenee of opnicin upon
hequeseoti .was admitted in Alse etwlncils 4.t the. King.
When Mr. Pstt game into office in 1804, be (as was

nltAtiotx4 atitertaitaid, ft •ettertg Anise to settle the
siestion by some. tallifutpry. mrsogeostot. He had,
it was true,,risisted Oa, pyoposition fee taking the
quemiop into . consideration. just,. he did so. on
irgentla of tensPorOFY • coliVanintcst. sad . Dot from
any reasons connecied ..strith
.the general priACi-
tele. In 1806, when Mr. Ones government was
hrpken up, and that or Lord7Grenville and . Mr. Fox
kompf, fhg principle.nt neutrality unfelt the ca-
thedielze.tion a as one of jhe. covenants.
_upon which
. • .
that 'chirpiness was fronded; and it was matter of
nowt ietY that the same principle had bean acted upon
in the constitution of
..every adnsini, grating' which has
been fnrmed in the country from that time until now.
It is perhaps a. unavoidable as it is naiad- us.that every
administration in this counny fir the last taenty-
.seven. year; had admitted persons who differed. in
opinion upon the Catholic question. It *here was
any error in this it was at least one which most
public men had committed. I do not mean to say
that all public, men acted upon this
,principle. bat
it certainly bas been pitticipated in by those who bay,
stated the councils of digit .Sovereign foe the last 2.5
years. I am far from apprnsing. el this pit:kelpie. No
Rs en feels more than I do the evils to which it leads.—
But 1 think thatj in the actual circumstances of the
country, to act upon
,peintiple was entirely un-
avoidable. The difference .which existed ansons#
pubic men upon the subject of. the Catholic Ques-
tion was so great., that .it was r..und impossible to
make up ...an .Adiainists..Ceeen which conld bate any
reasonable hope
,of carrying cm,thir business of the
Government, if it had been founded upon say other
principle than that of, admitting, in the Members
of the CabieWt diffetence_ of opipi as. upon the sub-
, jest of the Catholic Question, Men were obliged
to yield to the necessity of the times, and to adopt
a course Which., although, they believed it to be pre-
judicial, they knew to be unavoidable. .A.nd it .was
certainly n I total, when the country tens placed in cir-
cumstances of slitfictilty and peril, that men who had
at heart the general prosperity of their common country
.ticruld nreege for a tile, their differences .upon the
subject of the Catholic, question, for the parpose of pro-
curing seeder union and energy iq the Government.
—To ;eon*
.noser to the present stave of . affairs. 1
shall not hesitate to declare, in the first -place, that
in the present, state of the country
,Gevernment
d'suoited :it a question. and proiessing to act
ppon a principle a passiveness and otutrality, was al.
together out of the qnestion. At a time when this
anbject engrossed. universal attention throighout the
,countsyq nod when every. individual in Vie State was
expressing an 'minion upon the. subject, it is impossible
for the Government to avoid entertaining and signifying
their judgment upon a point which agitates the whale
community. These considee minus oblige me to come
w the C. ncloaion, that, for the safety of the Protestant
reliAinn and Froteitant institutions of the country, it is
absolutily ao l indispelseably necessary for the Admi-
nistration to nbandoq the principle of neutrality on this
ell absorbinkquestion.
.The bearing upon the state of
Ireland of the devisioni which had.hitherto existed upon
this subjecrx in the Cabinet had been prejudicial in the
extreme, Each patty in the Cabinet wished that its own
principles. should have the greatest weight and most
powerful support in the government of Ireland. It was,
therefore, a matter of inevitable necessity that the Ger.',
erernsient of Ireland should be divided upon the questis n
as long as divisions continued in tb- Cabinet here.—
There have therefore, been Goveenments in Ireland in
which, the Lord Lieutenant was favoutable to the con-
cessions of the Catholic claimi, and the Secretar y hostile
to them; whilst in other governments the Secretary
was an advocate of Emancipation, and the Lord Lieu-
tenant opposed to it; and. in other instances, the Lord
Lieutenant and Secretary being united in their princi-
ples, were acting,under a Cabinet which was divided
upon the measure. The state of Ireland has. however:
at last become inch as to render it impossible that the
Government of that country can any longer be consti-
tuted on a. principle t.f neutrality or division; and the
most inattentive observer must be convinced that affairs
in that country cannot any longer continue as they are,
My Right Hun. Friend will admit that, if the wonky
of the Protestant establishments is to be consulted. affairs
in Ireland canny t continue as they ate. Now, I will risk,
whether, in the present state of things, it is at all pos-
sible to form a Gavel nment upon the pi inciple of united
and. permanent hostility to the Catholic Claims? 1
think the formation of an Admiaisto ation on such around
to be totally impossible in the.present circumstances of
the country. 11, then, the present state of affairs can-
not continue, let us who maintain the opinions which
we have always entertained, inquire how any Minister
could honestly and wisely recommend hii Majesty
to attempt the formation of a Government on princi-
ples of united and permanent resistance to the claims
of the Roman Catholics. I say permanent resistance,
because to form above; me it upon a principle of tem-
porary tesiitance you admit, in fact. that the resistance
as expedient only during the continu 'ace of some state
of things which now exists; but th rte al soon as this
condition of things shall be changed, or shall cease to
nisi, that then resistance Ought to be abandOned.
'Now, in this reaspning the principle is immeJiately
gone even in the efforts to establish it. I never thought
that any good reiulted from I resistance founded
upon chniideratintii that were Only temporary. and
that opinion is. now stronger than before. If it should
be said that the government ought not to appear to
yield to the expressions of strong opinions which had
-been delivered upon this subject, I answer that this is
an argument which would always propagate itself, and
which. if Once .admitted. would exist for ever. The
petsoni interested in perpetua ing the present state of
affairs would never fail to excite such feelings as would
produce the expressions complained of; and the effect
would be not only to prevent Concession linen taking
plice,btit to preveni it upon groriudi.thatwete alto
gethei unfair; for no man willsay that it would be
fair to found a permanent resist once to the Catholic
claims upon such a ground as this. It is, tberefne,
useless to attempt forming an administration on the
ground of temporary resistance to concession. To
ground it upon a permanent and uniform_ resistance
would be impossible. I could not advise his Majesty
to .attempt the formation of a government on such
a principle,. as I am convinced that the attempt
must fail, and that the consequence of the
failure would be to endanger, in the last degree, the
Protestant institutions of the country, by fencing on a
precipitate and involuntary settlement of the question:
!Phase, in the short interim between the settlement and
the failure of the experiment, a vast quantity of addi-
tional animosity and jealousy would be generated.
which, besides the di tress net scarily attendant on
ihe,e excitement-, could not f.ll to increase the danger
which it is intended to avert by the measures which are
now to be adopted. Seeing that in the last Session
ref Parliament a majority in that House recommended
that the pa inciple e f concession should be acted up a
and that no governm nt which was opposed, upon a
vital question, by so considerable a number of .the
House of Commons
..could conduct with ache:dace

'the huisear-of the.t oontry. cramped in their aWMltria.
and opposed. as they Must be; in spelt citemastaticeas
I will, ask if these can be any reasonable hope that
a government so coratituted and c r:urn to cad could
cattiness to ezi t? These comidesa ions aught
not, perhaps,. to influerce the minds or legalise
the condnct of , honourable friends ; bet those
Who- filled responsible .siteatiors near his Majesty are
boned to recommend his Majesty to adopt the college
which they believed to be .oiust conducive to the seen-
I its and.prosperity of the Empite. On a full costsidera-
ijonot all 14 circumsr.ances..ll am entirely satisfied that
In Adminiorative,f omelette') the principles of,perma-
mit tebittance is entirely out of t' e question. 11 them-
fOse such. sin, Administration cannot be formed, there is
.eft no other course but that which is now proposed;
and I ice. in the positions of the G ivernment of
the country at. the present momenta strong reason
h.y we should now atemptto take the whole state of
Itelaad into consideratioss. with a viesetn. effect sock a
settlement of this most impotent que Aloe as should be
s.itisfactory to ail patties interested in the re- ult. I shall
aticm.n ask y MA. Froes.ds, it ti er.do unt tee in the
divisions.which the discussi n of this question has pto•
duce fl Owen the tuo. Houses of the Legislature
an a !onfidial reason for endeavouring to effect assails
poiiible a final and '4O-factory settlement of the ques-
tion? aisce the sear .1807 these have been five general
elections in this countay,. namely, in 1808, 1812.1818.
1820. 1826 ; and pi the five Houses of Comnions they
elected, fowelsed.ndopted resolutions favourable to the
concession of. the. 4 }nag Catholic claims. The evil rf
the difference between the House of Lords and the
House of Commons on this questirm was very great; it
acted prejudicially ps the Government of Ireland, and
the contention. occasioned by the agitation of the ques-
tion encouraged and kept alive the spirit of faction.. I ~
assert that the continued declarations in favour of the
removal of,their disabilit;es served to strengthen the
Catholic interest in Ireland. My reasons for the course
I hate crow adorned wise from the continued divisions
in hit Majestys Councils, and Irons the differences
betneen the two branches of the Legislature, and
sifter deep and dispassionate deliberation there appeared
to be no alteinative.ftee from difficulty and danger save
the. consideration of this question. This I have advised.
f9dvis I conceive, in consistency with soy opinions.—
MY Honourable Ft iend bas asked what are the particular
measures intended ,to .be proposed by Government?
There is nothing io the Address pledging me or any
other individual to any measure respecting the question
of conceisions. The first measure to be submitted to
Parliament ism) arm the Esecutive with sufficient power
to repress the Catholic Association, the evils from which
are so notur ions. It was necessary for the maintenance
of proper authority not to di cuss measures of tor-
cesiton until the lew had gained the ascendancy in
Ireland. The majesty iif the law would be vindi-
cated by. Ministers. and ,no measure affecting. the
question would be pp,-,osed until that e 'coda{ object
was accompliihed. ra Friend hid asked if it
was the intention of Government to throw the question
loose on the House. to abide the chances of di:cussisin?
I have no hesitttion. in informing my friend that such
is not the course intended to be asiol ted. In consider-
ing this question, so often hamlled, and so generally
understood, it would not be necessary to agitate it anew,
although, technically and forntally, it souk' be sub-
mitted to i Committee. It would be propose' upon
Ministerial responsibility at as rally a period, as early
as Circumstances would permit. His Honourable
Friend had asked what was the character of the intended
measures, and bad complened of the want of de-
tails. 1 will go thus far as. to reuse to enter into the
whole of the details, to discuss which in the interval,
previous to their being submitt d to the House,
would serve no purrose. It we uld be the object of
his Majesty's Government, as it is their bof e, to settle
thii question permanently and satisfactorily—(Heir).
It would be their endeavour to remove the disabilities
of the Cathi-lics, at the same time making such escr ',-
lions and regulations as would be considered tight and
neceetaiy. la avowing the I r ncip7e of the measure to
be the adjustment of this important question. aud.the
abolition or distinction. in civil privileges--.(Heat)—l
beg it to he distinctly understood that the isomer of pro-
posing nbitever exceptions and regulations may be
deemed necessary is resetved. The measure,proposed
by Government is not to be viewed in the light de
compact wide any body of men—(Hear, bear)--but
as smeasure .csf domestic legislation ; apd Pailianseet
woos' adopt whatever it considered essential fit the
tranquillity of the country, without teletence to
tics of any deureption. Much good would molt
from
,the settlement of this question.. The minds
of men would be calm.d. and Parliament issould
then be able to apply itself to any principle affecting
the welfare of Ireland with the same energy and freedom
that accompany its deliberations regarding England
and Scotland. The House would deal with the CA,
tbolics as with any other subjects. I wish that the set.
tlement of the question bad the advantage of complete
unanimity. but, come what might, it has the advaroara
of beiog fur the public good. TI are was no reason to
assume that concession would lead to unconstitutional
encroachment. But stippo,ing that attempts were made
to trench on the privileges of the. Crown, or to innovate
upon the legislature, they would be at once and eget-
tually rebuked. There would be no want of ability to .
contend against encroachment or to arrest presumption.
My Hon. Friend has said that he knew of nothiag within
the last six weeks to alter Iris opinions; yes his own re.
&Fence to the Clare election, and to 'writs that might
by possibilty have occurred in twenty counties, warp
strikingly opposed to, his statement, and was in itself
an important proof of the necessity of considering it,
question. It -MO been asserted that my Noble Friee4
at tie head of the Goverismeot and his colleagues welts
compelled to resort to the peon' course from kid.
miitation. If this were to, which I deny, if they
acted from a sense of ,danger—it was a most cul-
pable species of terror; but there is another kind of
few much mote to be guarded against, the fear of
being thought to be ahaid—(Hear, bear). Govan-
meat had not been unobservant of the events of last
summer; and trite it was that the Catholic Association
had had, recourse to intimidation. which. if protected
in, Government was prepared to exert all its authority
to suppress it. Had an Attempt been made to carry
the measure in- Ibis way. I have no doubt that the
loyalty of the country, unaided by a single soldier,
would have put it do wo. Such me attempt would only
draw down punishment on its abettors ° • and any fear
connected with it, was onthey futile. Bet them is a
rational fear of agitation in-Ireland; it is grounded 0O
the disu slum of the nation, and it is impossible to see
the disorganization of society without entertaining this
appte'.e)tiOgh T, eging's subjects would have repressed
attempts at Wei* violence; butlhere are evils which
nothing can repress but the, consideration of this quer,.
Lion. There is a point never yet Whittled to, which,
of all others, now eeighs upon my. mind; that is. the
adasinstration of criminal justice in Ireland. I firmly -
't el e,e that it tbeG Tannic t telllAir s as 't
basbeestAire.
interested, and if the 1 Wilk is lobe dlstracted by Wu.