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two Members of the same Cabinet, differ on a pint
of inch great public interest, could agree in any mea-
sure upon the subject. ,Hekriquliot but think that the
Right Hon. Gentleman, by the late change, had suffered
some lbss kiigiosecoacijutors who had uniformly support.
ed the pokey of Ave Wide. As regardecriheir foreign pco
)icy, he could not admit that any thing had been gained.
They were told indeed that the Treaty of the 6th July
was to be maintained : but he could not greatly praise
the tone in which allusion had been made in the Speech
from the Throne to the events which flowed "from that
Treaty. It differed greatly from the cordial manner in '
which the subjeat had been touched in the Speech of his
Majesty the Ying of France. He had heard it asked,
what is the nature of Mr. Canning's foreign policy .
but-the best answer to That question was, the profound
regret with which all the foreigners with whom he had
conversed had learnt the event of his decease. It would
be well to store that his foreign policy would be still
continued. For himself, he never had any personal orl
party acquaintance with that Right Hon. Gentleman ;,
but now be could say_ with safety that his party was
scattered to the winds--(Cries of Hear, hear!)—his
friends were now the friends of others, and any' further
praise of him could only lead to discord there (Pointing
to the Ministerial Benches).—lt was his earnest desire
not to give any unnecessary pain—he hoped he had not
done so —if he unfortunately had, there was no man
who could fed more sorry for it. He might have been
Mistaken ; but he had the good fortune to say, that he
was not aware of his ever baying lost a friend or made
an enemy in the course of his political life. He again
expressed his hope that he had given no personal offence,
and concluded by thanking the House for the attention
with which they had heard thim—(Hear, hear).
Mr. HUSKLSSON said, that whatever motives in-
fluenced the Noble Lord in his address to the House, he
begged to return him his thanks for affording him (Mr.
H.) an opportunity for explanation. He feltfor some time
that such a call would be made upon him; indeed, im-
mediately upon his arrival from Liverpool, he under.
stood such an intention existed in souse quarter or other,
though hecould not exactly tell where. That period had
now arrived, and he rejoiced at the opportunity of ex-
plaining hisconduct, both in consideration of the break-
ing op of the late Mitais:ry, and the formation of the pre-
sent Administration. He owned, that he now rose
to address theflouse under greater difficulty and anxiety
than he had done before; while at tiresome time he was
ready to admit, that a great importance attached itself
to the question before them—that again involving the
public character of a public man in the service of the
Crown and of the Country. On such an occasion as
the present he entreated the indulgence of the House;
and, judging from his former experience, when such
matters were under consideration, he was sure it
would not-be withheld from him. When the object
of inquirY related to public men, placed as he peen.
liarly • was, importance attached to his public con-
dectiLand, on that ground, rather than upon any other
of ',personal nature, he claimed their indulgence, and
that they would exercise their judgment apart from
any party considerations, or those other differences
which so often arise from circumstances to which he
now should make no further allusion. Before he pro-
ceeded to answer the different questions put to him by
the Noble Lord, he begged leave to state, that since his
return from Liverpool, he had had no communication
with any of his Colleagues upon the subject of his
speech at the election there, and this he stated without
any reserve or qualification whatsoever. For what he
had done, he and he alone was to be held responsible.
He abstained from making any communication to his
Colleagues, in order that it should not be said there was
any casting of parts between them, or that they had,
arranged what each Was to say, and to what extent he
was to go. This he had studiously avoided, and be
cr'u'd appeal to his Noble and Right Hon. Friends for
the veracity of his statement—(Hear, heat !) He did
not mean to enter into any transaction, unless from the
period when the name of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord
Althorpe) was first introduced as connected with this
inquiry. It appeared, that en meeting his Noble Friend
(Lord Goderict) they wets talking casually on a vari:ty
of subjects, when he mesa:need to him that the Right
Hon. the Master of the Mint had suggested to him,
bow desirable it would be to ask Lord Althorpe
whether he would be disposed to take the Chair
of the Finance Committee; adding, that his ability,
his skill, his character, and industry would render
him highly fitted fur such a situation. Lord Gode-
rich ie reply, said, he would be glad to avail him.
selfLf the talents of the Noble Lord ; but he at the same
time wis! ed the matter should be considered by such.
Members of the Government as had seats in the House
of Commons. His (Mr. Huskisson's) opinion, was not
then asked by Lord Gode.ich—but he (Mr. H.) observed
to his Noble Friend, that the nomination of Lord Al-
thorpe would be very desirable, arid for the same con•
siderations as were urged by Lai Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Tietney). Thisconversation as quite accidental—
and forme.: no part of any plan wt ich bad before been
in agitation among-t the Minivers—as such. Some
days alter chi., and he beksved after a Cabinet Dinner,
just as they were retiling, he was asked by his Bright
Hon. F. iend (Mr. Tierney) if he had• borne in mind the
nature of his c, nver,ation with Lord Goderich, when
he (Mr. H.) remarked that be merely stated how us.ful
it would he to secure the services of Lord Althorpe
in the Committee. Such a conversation might, he
thought, fairly pass between men aho were colleagues,
and had the saute good purpose to serve, without
any thing more being made of it than it obviously
sues ed. This occurrei on the 19th INovember.—
In a few days after, Lord Goderich stated to him that
the venerable and respectable father of the Noble Lord
bad been sounded in the affair, through the agency of
the Master of the Mint, who told the Noble L•ird, as he
was bound to do, all that had occurred in the course of
the conversation. Here he should add, that in the next
conversation upon the subject, Lord Goderich asked
if the Chancellor of the Exchequer was informed of
*hat had passed? to which be (Mr. Huskisson) replied
that he did not know—that he was not requested to
make any .communication upon the subject. Lord
Goderich then said it was an oversight not to have done
so; and the result of the conversation was, that he,
(Mr. H.) said he would see the Chang nor of the Lx.
chequer and inform him e f what had passed. He, in conse-
quence, wrote to him from his office, requiring an in-
terview—they met accordingly, and he (Mr. H.) told
Tits light Hon. Friend all that had passed upon the,
subject. When this communication was so made, his
Right Hon. Friend appeared to take the same view of
the matter that he did himself. It so happened, that
at the very same time the. Master of the Mint acci-
dentally called upon him, when he stated what passed
between him and the Chancellor of the Exchequer,-
The Master of the Mint then observed that he came
cspressly to talk upon that subject. as he was going
to Brighten the next morning for a few days. The
two Right Honourable Gentlemen had entered into
the subject at some length; they each prepared a
list of the persons supposed to be most fitted to become

Members of the Committee—and the business repel
the 29th, a Cabinet Council was summoned to delibe-
don was on the 28th December, and on the next day,
'
thought, on all hands, to be considerably-advanced be-
fore tee: left the Colonial Office. On the .29th of the rate upon questions of the greatest importance. In the
same mon* the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Ex- morning of that day, he went to Lord Goderich before
Chequer wrote to .him (Mr. Haskissop),' stating that he the Cabinet commenced their sitting, when he told him
had reason to take a different view of the formation of distinctly that he no longer considered himself in his
the Finance Committee, or rather as to the mode in Majeste's service, and that his intention was immediately
which the Chair was to be filled. He said that some- to tender his resignation. In fact he had then written
how or other, Lord Althorpe's nomination was handed the letter which was to acccompaoy it; but that in
about the town, as well as that of others, reported as order to prevent any idle Terns or surmises, he would
being placed on the Committee. He (Mr. Huskisson) attend the Council, but not take any part whatever in
heard that with considerable regret, and the mere so, their deliberations. To this Lord Goderich replied,
as °thee matters were divulged which formed no part that if he (Mr. Huskisson) was determined to retire,
of any previous conversation. What then was he to there was an end of Lord Goderich's Administration.
do? Mr. Tierney was gone to Brighton, and he said He also suggested to him. that he (Mr. Huskisson)
to his Right Hon. Friend that no further discussion on should make known His intention to the Noble Earl at
.tile subject should take place, except in the Cabinet. the head of the Foreign Department—and that he inn
He (Mr. Huskisson) immediately wrote to Brighton, mediately did. He told him exactly what he stated to
and sent a copy of his letter to the Chancellor of the Lord Goderich, and the Noble Earl seemed to be sure
'Exchequer. This would thew the spirit which actuated ,prised at the.determination. It so happened that on
him (Mr. Huskisson) throughout the transaction; and the same day the Marquis of Lansdown arrived from
°rube 2J December he received Mr. Tierney's answer, Bowood to attend the Council, intending to return
ip which his Right Hon. Friend fully admitted-the in. there alter it was over, but at his (Mr. fluskisson's)
mtpediency of discussing those matters except between reanest, he consented to delay his departure for a few
themselves. But, during all these conversations, of days. He also communicated what had occurred to that
discussions, or call them what they might, nothing was Noble Lord, who observed that if he (Mr. Huskisson)
officially communicated to Lnrd Althorpe—all that was carried his intention into effect, it would in fact amount
Understood was, that if his Lordabip were so applied to a dissolution of the Administration. A circumstance
to, he would accede to the proposal. His answer under however had occurred at that time which delayed his,
certain arrangements was to the effect that he would carrying his intentions into effect—he alluded to the
accede to the proposition ; but beyond that there was arrival of the Infant of Portugal in this country. He did
not a single word. On the very day of the receipt of not then send his letter to the King ; and it was repre-
sented to him, that as the step he had taken would pro-
Mr. Tiereev's letttr, he (Mr. Huskisson) put it into the
hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who returned duce the dissolution of the Ministry—that the resignation
it to me without making a single remark. That was of the Chancellor of the Exchequer might probably lead
the whole of the cot respondence abaut which so much to the same effect. However, he (Mr. Huskissoe) yielded
had been said elsewhere; and he owned his own im. and on the Ist of January he wrote to. Lord Goderich'
pression then was, and he would state it without mean. to ask him if the Chancellor of the Eichequer perse-
ing the slightest offence to his Noble Friend, that the veted in his intention of tesigning,,and that he (Mr.
matter altogether was of the most trifling and unim. Huskisson) would take no further steps, that he would
portant nature—(Cries of Heir, hear). He merely do nothing, until the result was communicated to him.
thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer bad some The letter of the 26th December, he should observe,
slight feeling about the matter which would alter or said nothing of the cause of the expected dissolution,
abate; for he (Mr. Huskisson) knew perfectly well that and he (Mr. Huskisson) knew nothing further about
the oversight was merely accidental, and that even if the matter till about the Bth ef January, when Lord
the nomination did not take place, no one was officially Yoder ich waited on his Majesty ; and looking at the
committed on the subject,' In fact, so very unimpottant difficulties which then pressed upon him and the enure
did he (Mr. Huskisson). consider the matter, that he did try ; looking.at the general state of affairs—in the East
not communicate it to his Noble Friend (L• rd Gode' —in Spain—in Portugal—at the state of our finances
rich). This then brought the narrative down to the 2J at home, and other domestic questions—looking at the
December, and from that period until the 26th of the vatious embarrassments which surrounded his Noble
same nionth,he never beard one word more upon the sob- le tend at the hteed of the Government he (Lord G.)
ject—(Hear). Whether anything else passed elsewhere, only perfoimed his dusty in stating fully, fairly, and
°r between other persons, either in the Cabinet or out, honestly, to his Sovereign, the real state of perplexity
he did not .know ; but he must nevertheless admit that Into which his Government had, from so many circum-
in the course of that interval mane circumstances had stances, been thrown. That was his (Mr. Huskisson's)
occurred .to weaken and to shake the existence of the decided opinion; but whether his Noble Friend, at the
Administration. .With respect to those circumstances same time, suggested any new arrangements to his
they were so notorious, that it would not be necessary Majesty, he (Mr. Huskisson) of course knew nothing.
to restate them. So far he had stated what he could The result. however, was now known, and on the 10th
without committing any breach of confidence, but there January, two days after the Marquis of Lansdown re-
were other matters which he felt he could not divulge, turned to town. On this part of the case some most
because they had come to him in a manner, which it unworthy imputatir ns had been cast upon his (Mr. H: s)
would be a gross breach of confidence to disclose.— character—imputations which every one who knew him
However, the impression which they made in his mind would believe he did not deserve. In all his commu-
was, that still greater difficulties had beset the Adminis- nications with the Noble 'Marquis he had acted fairly
aration. The causes which led him to come to this con. and honestly, and reciprocated the good feeling whicb
elusion, he could not now explain ; but up to and on the that Noble Lord had always shewn to him: On the 10th
23d of December, he was firmly resolve! to meet the of January he (Mr. H.) had received no communica-
difficulties of the approaching Ses ion_(Hear, hear.) ton from the Noble Duke who was charged with the
The next day he left town for a few days, having pre. appointment of a new Administration; but the Mar-
viously expressed his determination of going out alto• quis of Lansdown asked him, if he had sent in his re-
gether, rather than sink from the struggle, he went on signation ? To this be replied, thatle had not, as there
a visit to his Noble Friend (Lord Palmerston) ; and, on was a question of teiignatiou about others, and then
the 26th of Dec. he received a letter from Lord Gode. asked the Marquis of Lansdown if any communication
rich, to the effect of which he had already stated. When had been made to him P He (Mr. Huskisson) then kneW
this communication from the Chancellor of the Erche- nothing of the intentions of the Noble Duke, and he only
quer was received by him, namely, the tender of his begged of the Noble Marquis if he received any COMIDD•
resignaticn,if the nomination of Lot d Althorpe as Chair. nication of consequence, to give it due and proper
man were persevered in—he stated it to his Noble consideration before he would determine. The Noble
Friend, having been privileged by Lord Goderich to do Marquis upon that, stated the grounds on which even if
so. Oa that occasion he (Mr. Huskisson) fully stated any communication were made to him, he could not
his views and feelings on that subject, as well as the connect himself with the Administration of the Noble
immense difficulties which, under such circumstances, Duke, and alluded to the state of Ireland, and partictr-
he should have in conducting the business of the larly to the Catholic Question, about which his opinions
House of Commons. if 'all his Colleagues were not need not now for the first time be stated. He(Mr. Rus-
in strict union and accordance, he felt that onerous kisson) in answer to those observations said, that such
work could not be accomplished, and he was necessa- grounds could not keep him from accepting office, end
rily placed in a situation which left him no alternative. that was all which occurred on that occasion. It was said,
He discussed the matter at some length, and deter. and most onjuetly said, that he (Mr. Huskisson) hid
mined, as far as he was concerned, not to place the in- communicated to the Duke of Wellington all that trait,.
terests of the Crown and of the public in jeopardy, by plied between him (Mr. II.) and the Noble Narcotise
continuing in a situation which he could not. under with a view to bias the Noble Duke either in favour of
such conflicting circumstance, adequately fill. He made or against the Noble Marquis—but a more false accu•
full communication of his views and feelings to Lord cation never yet was made against any man in a public
Goderich—he told him that be despaired of being able or a private situation of life—nothing could be farther
to accomplish the object which they had both so mach from his intent, nothingc•uld be more unfounded'in fact.
at heatt. On the 27th December he returned to town, From the very moment lie heard the statements and
and on the,2Bth, he was really sorry to be so minute, opinions of the Noble Marquis, Ire felt that his lips were
but the peculiarity of the case would, he hoped, excuse sealed. and even the mention of his dame was after that
him; and OD the 28th, the day after, he opened his mind most studiously avoided. Ili could appeal to his N.s.
fully and candidly to Lord Goderich. He stated, that ble Friend (Lord Carlisle) for the truth of his assertion,
in his view the question between the Chancellor of the and also whether he (Mr. Huskisson) did not, on the
Exchequer and himself as to the appointment of Lord 13th January, state confidentially to him all that had
i Akborpe was one of very to ifling importance, and that passed between him and the Noble Marquis on the oc-
with all the respect he bore for the talents, the skill, and cation he had justed alluded to. He trusted the House
the industry of his Noble Friend, that there were many would excuse his going so much into detail—(Loud
other Hon. Members who could fill the situation quite cries of Hear, hear,)—and he hoped he might be allowed
as well as the Noble Lord; adding at the same time, to say, that when he was charged with consulting, and
that as no official notification had been sent to him, and even plotting and canvassing, with all his colleagues but
as all that had passed was merely in conversation, a the Chancellor of the Exchequer ; when he said such a
communication to that effect would have the desired charge was made against him, to could distinctly say that
result upon the mind of the Chancellor of the Excises he never bad any other conversation or communication
quer. Lord Goderich appeared to be of the same than what took place between himself, Lord Goderich,
opinion, and farther, at that period, he (Mr.. Huskisson) and Mr. Tierney, and to which lie had already called the
could not go. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and attention of the House—(Hear. heat): So far, then, he
Mr. Tierney had, a month before, gone the length. thought he had succeeded in chewing that to the very
of preparing lists of persons for the Committee--• list hour he used every exertion to keep the elements et
they had nearly agreed as to the names—and all which the Administration was composed together. He
considered, as he bad before stated, that the business appealed to all his colleagues if any thing was leffun-
had been considerably advanced. Then again he done by him to keep it (soot dissolution? He had now.
shewed Mr. Tierney% letter from Brighton to the travelled over that, part of the subject which embraced
Right Honourable Gentleman, who made not the many of the questions as .to she late Administration
slightest remark upon it, and so matters continued till which were put by the Noble Lord; and he now came;
the 26th of December, when Lord tioderich communi• to the more important part,as the Noble Lord properly,
cited to him the tendered resignation of the Chancellor described it, an explanation of what he was supposed to
of the Exchequer. He (Mr. H.) had throughout the have said to his constituents at Liverpool. He owned
whole of the transaction used every effort to reconcile he did not expect to hear the Noble Lord speak of
any triaing.differences which the nomination of Lord "gratuitous explanations," although the phrase was
Althorpe had occasioned ; he explained the cause of the used in another place.
oversight in speaking to that Noble Lord before the Lord NORMANDY (across the table) expressed his
Chancellor of the Exchequer was formally made ac- dissent. -
quaintesl with the conversation which pissed, for it was Mr. HUSKISSON said, he keew that was treated
nothing snore, and having done all lie could, he felt with a sneer in another place; but still he could not help
that in Attempting to do more he would injure his retaining so much of what others might be pleased to
character, he would damage his reputation as a call an " obsolete prejudice," as that of giving an ex.
rpublic imam. He conceded what he could; to have planation of his public conduct to his constituentsi when
conceded more on his part, would be utterly impossible; he was asking a renewal of confidence at their hands.
• fact, lead lie alone so, he would hAve been a lost man— Such explanations might be called an e obsolete pre.
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the sphere of his utility would be almost entirely dimi• judice;" but it was a pi actice well known to the British
sighed.; and, under such circumstances—upon an im- Constitution, and one to which he would still adhere.
pliant question--or, he would rather say, upon a ques. It was the right of his constituents to demand an ez•
tion not of vital even tance—he did say that he thought planation of • his public conduct—and it was his
too rrisschbad !pen made of it by his Right Honoorable bounden duty to give it fully, fairly, and honestly
Friend iheChancellor of the Exchequer. Thicconiersa- to thim—e(Loud cheering) -He had been sometimes

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called a 44 d'angerons innovator; but he might -safely
say, that such as the doctrine was, he wits determined to
follow it—since all the high quality. and Station, and•
of his Graee the Duke of Wellingt"n could not
be sufficiebt to guarantee his constituents' choice of hint
as their representative, if he had not given them the
explanation which they required—(Cheers). Having
stumbled on this unfortunate word is graranty," he
would now say that he had used it more titan once, and
even after all he had since heard about it, he• should
pultlicly use it again. He MOO say he could sot
tell how it had happened that the use of that nnfortansteei;
word caused so much malevolence Wed calumny to
be heaped upon him as had been done in_ the coarse
of the last ten days; neither could he assign any
cause for the many misconceptions which had been
circulated during the same period in and about this
metropolis. He could not understand for a moisten*
'how persons could imagine when he spoke of a guaranty,•
that it most be set down as a regular contract or bar:
gain had been entered into between him and the Duke‘
of Wellington; or that covenants had been set forth'
with all legal technicality in their different coitretsis
tions, as if forsooth he had been dealing with an advert
sary, and not with one upon whom he was on the most
friendly terms, and with whom he was to act for the'
benefit of the public? He could asstre the House there
was no such bargaiar—no such contract—there was no
sacrifice on any side, he made none, the Noble Duke
made none. What ! was it to be believed that the Duke
of Wellington with that nice sense of homier which
belonged to him, would have deliberately communi-
cated with five or six different Gentlemen who also had
honour to support and chatacters to maintain, for the
purpose of insulting them—even_ if they could be
base enough to eudure it ? He 'Wed, on the part
of the Duke of Wellington, as well as on the part
of the Honourable Friends with whom he was con-
nected, that no such proposal was stated, or was
contemplated. What! could it be believed that he
would go to Liverpool, and there make a statement,
which would be contradicted almost as soon as it was
uttered? Why he must be insane—he must have lost
all self respect, all regard for truth—all intellect and
sense, if he could for a moment do so. He retracted
nothing of what he really did say about '• guaranty r
but he hoped he would be allowed to state, not what
WAS stated forhim, but what he said himself to his con-

stituents. He would not he answerable for what was
teported—however ably and skilfully and impartially,
by a person in the din and confusion of a popular elec.
tion—for the first time, perhaps, he ever attended an
election, and without that accommoiation to take his
notes which is elsewhere to be met. lie had not himself
read the reports alluded to, but what he stated was,
that before he consented to form a part of the ficew
Administration, he sought for explanations as to the
principles and measures which were-to bb acted upon,
and that, having received an understanding which ap.
peared perfectly satisfactory to him, he did consider it
as the best guaranty which could be offered—that sound
principles and useful measures would be followed up.
And what right had he to doubt that important fact,
when the Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and Mr.
Grant, and Mr. Lamb, were all to continue in the same
offices which they held in the previous Administration?
What better or safer guaranty could he expect, or could
he have, in point of tact ?—This was the guaranty
of which he had spoken—this was the guaranty he
had received; and the explanations of the Duke of
Wellington were as satisfactory to others of his col-
leagues as they were to himself. He stated particularly
that the foreign and domestic policy which was heietor
fore pursued would not be abandoned, and he remem-
bered particularly having asked, in order to strew that
no filth change was contemplated, whether the Noble
Earl who signed the Treaty of the 6:h of July world
remain in office to undo it now, and thereby destroy his
character? Indeed so strongly did he put it, thak.he
put it to those captious querists who were likely to ad.
dress him, that suppose he (Mr. H.) was so base as to
sacrifice his own character and honour, whether the
other individuals whom he had named would all enter
into a conspiracy to destroy their characters also?—
(Hear, hear.)—lt must have been obvious to his friends
at Liverpool, who were accustomed to dent in bonds,
and contracts, and bargains, all regularly stamped and
sealed, that in speaking of guaranty, be did not use the
term-legally or technically, but as it was used in corn.
mon parlance. He stated that he was not called upon
to make any sacrifice, neither was any other individual
for he was assui ed that good and sound priciples would
still guide the Government, and useful measures would
be followed up. This was the guaranty of which and
of vi hat only he had spoken. Even after he saw 'the
list of the new Ministry in a Morning Paper, he still
waited to see, if the Objects for which he and his
colleagues had associated themselves with the new Ad-
' ministration would be carried into effect. Here he was
sorry to be obliged to introduce the name of his Right
lion. Friend the present Secretary of State for the
flbme Department; but he begged to ask him, if from
an fatly period of their communication, he had trot
expressed a wish for the continuance in office of Lord
Dudley, Mr. Grant, and Mr. Lamb ? Hes, hoa ever,
made no stipulation upon the subject, neither did he
make any communication to his Noble and Honourable
Friends. He left it to the Duke of Wellington to make
proposals to them or not, as he th-ught proper ; he did
make them—but not with any concert or knowledge
upon his (Mr. Huskisson's) part. They each received
proposals, and when they were knoan, they and he joined
together, in order to ascertain if they all understood the
circumstances of their connexion in the same light. In
order to prevent any doubt upon this subject, they so-
licited an interview with the Duke of Wellington; and
the result of that was, their peefect satisfaction that
sound principles and useful measures, both in oar foreign
and domestic relations, would be followed up. In what
other manner, lie asked, could Gentlemen deal with
one another ?--( Hear, hear.) He again rei eated, that
what he had said at Liverpool was entirely misconceived.
and he begged the particular attention of the Huesca°
a letter he held in his hand, which he had that morn-
' ing received by post from Liverpool. He was so far
glad that his explanation was deferred to this day,
because otherwise they must take what he said upon his
,own assertion, whereas he now had the testimony of a
witness who could not be doubted, and freer a
Gentleman whom he never saw but on the frostings
at Liverpool. lie felt grateful to him for the consi-
deration, that merely out of a sense of justice nod a
regard for truth, that the Rev. Gentleman (Mr. Shep-
herd) had sent him this letter; and every one who knew
him would bear testimony to the fact, that a lose of
justice only could have induced him to come forward
on the present occasion, and the more so, as he believed
the Rev. Gentleman was not on the late occasion one
of his supporters. If, as he {Mr. Huskisson) said before.
he had not received this letter, the House most have
trusted to his assertion in contradiction to imperfect
'and unsatisfactory reports of his speech. In a word. he
bad received this testimony from that quartet, of all
,others, where he would have lea* thought .1 applywig
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snanid, that in rectiringt.his Newspaper, containing
a report of his (Mr. Hut Meson's) speech at Liverpool,
he found the London Reporters had been mistaken.
He had a distinct recollection of the fact, that when
be (Mr. Huskisson) spoke of guarantees, he founded
them, not upon the mere composition of the Mi-
nistry— but on having Lord Dudley and Ward, Mr.
(?tent, and another Gentleman in it, whose name
the miter did not then recollect—(Cries of Hear, hear).
As to personal guarantee he (Mr. Huskisson) did not
say one word about it—(Cries of Hear, hear). So far
'this letter acquitted him as to the use he made of the
word guarantee ; and he could assure the House that he
had suffered much from the imputation which their
misconstruction had put upon him. The writer pro-
ceeded to state that Ministers had quite enough to do
without attending to the correction of mistakes made
by the Rept:otters. But he had better proceed with the
letter. It went on to state that as Mr. Brougham would,
*to doubt, have to do with the late transaction—
'‘Laughter)—and lest he might go upon the wrong
\cent—(Continued laughter)—he thought it merely an
-Oct of duty to furnish Mr. Huskisson with what a per-
lect tecoaection enabled him to state.
111 r. Bnotionast had riot the least intention of interfering.
Mr. Li USICISSON—He trusted that atter stating the
/contents of this letter, he would now stand acquitted of
having used the term guarantee in the improper sense
attributed to him. As to the principles and measures
now to be pursued, lie was under no great apprehension.
Upon certain great and leading measures it was well
known that Government must have some general un-
derstanding. With respect to what was called Domes-
tic Policy, be only understood the domestic policy of
any country to mean the application of general prin-
ciples for internal security and the comfort of the people.
Principles were not to be kept out of consideration, but
then, their application must be guided by events, and
regulated by particular circumstances. By way of ll-
lustrating this, he would say that our interference in
Portugal or Greece was founded upon general prin-
ciples, guided by peculiar circumstances, and in these
cases there was no dietence between the Duke of Wel-
lington and himself. He might say the same as to his
support of the regulations relative to the Silk trade—
the object being to assimilate the principles regulating
that trade in the same way as other branches of corn.
mace. He was not at alt alarmed at the general prin-
ciples opon which the Government was to have been
conducted, and the more so when he found the Duke
of Wellington had thus spoken relative to the Treaty
of the 6th of July :

" He would mention further, that these measures were not
entirely of the same description as those proposed in the Treaty of
last July: to a certain degree, their execution did not demand the
semployment of coercion or force. He did not intend to enter I
upon the consideration of those measures now—nor did be wish to
be understood as condemning one of them, while he defended the
amber. He begged to state, that he felt it his duty, white he occu-
pied the high station which he now filled, to carry those measures
with spirit and effect into execution.. He would confess that he I
very much differed from a great portion of the statement of the
Noble Lord who had introduaid the present motion. He would
not admit the right of one country to interfere in the internal con-
cerns of another in every instance, acid he deithiatlie-Pialicy upon
many occasions of such-interference. He would say that non-
interference was the rule, and that interference should he the ex-
ception : that, he would assert, was the justly boasted policy of ibis
country, and not a continual interference in the internal concerns
of other nations. lie did not mean to say that they should not
interfere whenever the proper necessity arose ; but that, he would
repeat, would only form an exception to the general rule of policy
which should distinguish this country."
—These words were a full assurance of a guarantee,
and the same might he said of the Noble Duke's intentions as to
our affairs in Portugal and the East. There was a class, however,
of politicians, not the Hon. Members whom be then addressed, but
others, who did not look at what his real intentions were; but
thought proper to judge of them by a peculiar system which would
MC allow them to %lie for actsordeeds.. and witk such persons it
would be useless to hold any The Bight lion. Gentleman
itieu adverted to ihe diffichlti blister if the CroWn catering
into explanations relating to those tranaactioni between the different
Members of the Government Which were nut intended to receive
a character of publicity. All the explanation he should now attempt
to give would refer to what had been imputed to his Noble Friend
at the head of the Administration, relative to the understanding
which had existed between them. He should have done this
on Friday, by alluding to one specific instance in which that under-
standing had been created, if an opportunity had offered itself; he
alluded to the question of the appointment Qt the Finance Com-
mittees Having had an interview with his Noble Friend, at which
the general views of the Government were mentioned, and at that
interview the question of the Finance Committee having escaped
their attention, be was subsequently confined to his room by indis-
position, and from thence wrote to his Noble Friend to know what
were his views and feelings upon that question. He then held in his
-hand the answer of his Noble Friend, which was perfectly satis-
factory. Now, let any man say what be would of pledges, or stipu-
lations, or guarantees, he never meant to speak of pledges upon
any other than this footing—(Cheers). Call them what they
would, call them pledges, call them stipulations, or call them gua-
rantees, he would ask the country whether, both as to the con-
struction and the purposes of the Committee, at they had been
opened the other night by his Right lion. Friend, that pledge
bad out been amply redeemed—(Hear, bear). lie had ex-
hausted himself with these explanations, and he trusted in a
meaner satisfactory to all. Having given them, he would now
only say that he would not be tempted by any thing coming
from any place, or from any quarter. to revert to the subject
again. Further he would add, that any such attempt at dis-
ninon would act upon him as a motive to increased confidence
in those with whom he had the honour to act—(Cheers).
There was one other point of a painful nature which required a
Lew observations. A question had been put to him in another
place, where it was impossible that he should give an answer—
whether he had not declared that never would he form part of
an Administration with the Duke of Wellington and his Hight
Houourable Friend near him (Alf. Secretary Peel)? Unequi-
grocadiy, posisiveiy, di•tinctly, he denied having ever made such
a doclaration. Looking to the quarter from which that ques-
tion was put, and respecting the pious feeling which dictated
it, and reverencing with equal piety the memory of hint whose
memory it was intended to protect, be yet could not but la-
menethat such a course had been taken. lie thought the
subject belonged to those matters which were so entirely ut a pri-
vate nature as to be unfit for this sort of introduction amongst topics
of Parliamentary discussion. As far as the question had any public
bearing morally or politically, it had received such an answer in tbri
place where it was put, that it was perhaps unnecesaary for him to
have said one word upon the subject. It was his misfortune that
*is situation in public life earned him to much obloquy and mis-
representation from two very opposite classes in the country. From
that class, on the one hand, who looked upon all improvement as
dangerous, and from those on the other who. looking only at
abstract rinciples, never allowed for the artificial and complex
state of society which was incompatible with their too sudden
application, and entirely overlooked all the obstacles and dif-
ficulties growing out of the honest feelings, or, if they would,
the prejudices of the people. He had endeavoured to steer a
middle course between the two parties, and he .kuew that he
was held in dislike by the zealots of both.. But, as long as be abould
continue to have the honour of a seat in the Councils of the country,
he would pursue the same course, and be governed by the same
prieciples—looking for the support of bia Friends and of Parlia-
ment. If his friends should at any time take a different view
of the public interest, be kuew what then was the only course
utarkerisour. for him. He had that public men were not at
liberty to refuse a call made upon their services, when there was
nothing in that rail inconsistent with their personal honour or their
public principles. He felt honoured far beyond his deserts
by the favour of his Sovereign, by the support of that House, and
by the approbation of a great part of the country. So honoured, he
walk tio other reward, for be bad no personal ambition. With
decayed strength, impaired health, and a natural desire for the re.
pose which has time of life required, if he found that be did not
possess the confidence necessary to a proper discharge of the duties
OW office ha should not be slow to seek retirement by a step
which would enable his Majesty to place the seals of the depart-
ment ever which he had the honour to preside in abler and more
efficient bands—(Cheers).
Mr. HERRIES rose amidst loud calls for him. He
Said he deemed some explanation called for ; the
same time, he could not but think it a bad feature in
modern practice to enter upon these extended explana•
bons. A strong group only would hare induced him

to enter into any explanations. He considered such state-
ments a course calculated- to tosser public men in the
estimation of the public, to sow disunion, and to perpe-
mate mistrust. It was a practice that he must deem
injuriovi to the public service. But it was indispens-
able that he should now make some explanations.—
There were, however, circumstances of the case which
had for the first time reached him this night. The
charge against him, mainly, was that he had been the
cause of the dissolution of the late Administration.
Individuals were sometimes so circumstanced—had
occasionally such parts cast for them—that they he.
quently became the instruments of producing what they
would have most deprecated. He denied that any blame
attached to him ; he must deny most distinctly the alle-
gation that his differences caused the dissolution of '
the Ministry. It was false, unfounded, and without
a shadow of ground, that he had resorted to any stra-
tagem, or any proceedings to effect such object. The
Finance Committee had certainly occupied much of his
attention ; that Committee, let it be remembered, had
originated with Mr. Canning's Administration. It was
a measure about which he (Mr. Herties) was most
anxious. In the middle of November, a communica-

tion was made to him which he had deemed to have
been authorised. Lord Althorpe was then proposed to be
the Chairman. At first, he had not viewed that nomination
to be so important as he afterwards found it to be; but
manycit cumstances had occurred that rendered it impos-
sible, from what was due to himself, if he were fit to hold
any situation, not to be peculiarly jealous as, to the
proceedings regarding him and his office—(Hear, hear)
Finding that difficulties arose, he had been anxious to
remove objections; and he was assured that no further
steps should be adopted without consulting him. He
had lodged his written protest against the course that
had been pursued, as one that was calculated to dimi-
nish the utility he had expected from the Finance Com-
mittee. He considered the proceeding as stayed till the
19th or 20th, when the mysterious restoration took
place; and doting that time it would have been absurd
in him to adopt any steps when the Administration was
in agony, on the brink of dissolution—(Hear, and a
laugh). After the 21st of December, in order to avoid
misunderstandings, be wrote the following letter to
Lord Goderich, on the subject of the proposed Finance
Committee :

" Downing-street, Dee. 21, 1227.

" MT MAR GODBRICH,
" It is now full time that some further steps should be taken with
respect to the Committee of Finance.
" It would, I believe, naturally be my duty to bring that subject
under the consideration of the Cabinet; but after what has passed
(and I advert to it with much pain), I feel that it h not at present
in my hands. I must therefore learn front you, as head of the
Government, what is the course to be pursued for the librmation of
this Committee, and the regulation of its proceedings.
" What has hitherto been done in this matter has taken place
without consultation or communication with me, although it would
seem to belong principally to my department of the public business.
A negotiation has been carried on, and completed by Mr. Tierney,
with your sanction and that of Mr. Iluskisson, fur the nomination
of the Chairman of the Committee.

.1 The Goverment is, I presume; fully committed to the Indi-
vidual filed upon for the purpose, and to the Noble Family of
which he Is a Member; and this proceeding, as I am given to un.
derstand, has been adopted with a view, in a great measure, to a
political object, as being calculated to strengthen the hands of the
Administration.

..... .....
" I doubt much whether that tdew be correct, and whether the

calculation be a just one. But I have no objs:ction to the arrange-
ment upon a much higher ground. I conceive that in order to
derive in the utmost possible degree, frism this important measure,
all tbe public benefit which it is capable of affording, and at the
same time to avoid the inconveniences to which it is liable, all
political views of the narrower kind—all those %which :re connected
with particular parties and influences only—should be utterly dis-
carded in the formation of the Committee.

" it appears to me that these objects would be best 'secured if
the Committee were composed of the most eminent individuals of
the several parti,ts in the House of Commons, and the Chair Ailed
by some person of high charic'ter and respectability, either en-
tirely unconnected, or connected as little as possible with any of
the political parties into which the House is divided.
44 Whether this be a proper view of the subject, and whether if
it be so you could yet proceed upon such a principle, you and
Huskisson are best able to jutige. "I do not feel that I could act in
it upon any other. In order, therefore, to relieve you from any
difficulty, as connected with my situation, respecting • the course ,
which you may deem it expedient 'to pursue, I beg to assure you i
that if by putting my Office incur other hands you can more sails-,
fActurily execute this difficult and delicate measure, you may com-
mand my moat ready anecheerfol resignation of it. I place it
(and I beg it to be untit(rstood as being done in the most friendly
manner) entirely at phi disposal: (Signed) J. C. HERIHES,7

His next communication with the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government, was on the 29th of December.
Upon that occasion his Noble Friend requested to know
whether or no he should resign, if Lord Alai*? pe was
appointed Chairman of the Finance Committee? He
answered that his resignation must not be attributable
to that circumstance, and begged him to understand
that he was not giving his resignation, but only stating
the terms upon which he could do justice to the duties
of his office. At this time not the least attempt was made

at an adjustment of the difference which exi;ted ; he was
only asked simply to say, a liether he meant to resign on
the condition he had stated. All he did was to refer back
to his letter,as containing the public grounds upon which
his conduct was based. But if he had been told at the
same time that upon the same grounds his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Huskisson) had tendered his resignation,
the knowledge of that fact might have influenced him
to take another course. But it was on the sth of Ja-
nuary that, by a letter from his Right Hon. Friend, he
learned for the first time that he had made a point of
bird Althorce's appointment as a condition of his re-
maining in office—(Hear, hear). But at this point of
the business there might still have been discussion, and
the differences which existed might have been arranged.
His Noble Friend told him that the matter was not
quite concluded, arid his.answer was, ,4 Let it be dis-
cussed—let it be opened." He was then told that
although it was not concluded, yet that the under-
standing respecting Lord Althorpe's appointment was so
complete, that the question could not be opened. Why,
then, he would ask whether any man possessing the least
sense of honour or feeling would be content to be told
that a measure to which he strongly objected was not
closed, and yet that his colleagues would not discuss it
with him?—(Cheers.)—He would ask whether any man
holding office tsPon such terms would be entitled to the
respect of that House, or of the meanest portions of so-.
clot?—(Cheering.)-In order to shew the way in which
he feli upon that occasion, to shew the absence of every
thing like a paltry feeling of irritation or a want of friend-
ship towards his Noble Friend ; to shew that he had acted
only in vindication of his own honour, and in further-
ance of what he conceived to be the public interest, he
would read the lag letter which he wrote to his Noble
Friend upon the subject. At that conversation the re-
signation of his Noble Fr lend was never meotioned, and
he never heard till that night that his Noble Friend was
aware of it at the timeL.-(1-lear; hear!) After having
referred to his former declaration, and stated that he.
meant to adhere to what he had then said, his Noble
Friend requesied that he would make that statement by
letter. lo half an boor 'afterwards he wrote the fol-
lowing letter, dated 7th January
" Air DIA& GODILSICII-4 have, as you requested in your last
letter (and as I promised in my answer that I would), carefully
reconsidered the subject of my letter of the 11st a December.
" I regret to be compelled to state, that the reconsideration so
bestowed upon it, has not conduced to any alteration of the judg-
ment which I bad previously formed #nd communicated to you.--

The question at issue, and upon which YOUR judgment—not unre
to be formed, is °balmily not the mere nomination of Lord
Althorpe.
" That nomination cannot be treated as an insulated point, dia.
connected from the circumstances under which it was determined
upon, and the manner its which it was settled ; nor (which is of
much more importance) can it be fairly considered without refer-
ence to the principles by which I have stated that I think every
step in the formation of the Committee of Finance, ought to be
guided. In your last communication to me, you gave me to un-
derstand that I had been mistaken in supposing' that a conclusive
engagement with Lord Althorpe bad been made. It appears from
your view of the matter, that little more had been done than to
ascertain that Lord Althorpe would undertake the office. If such be
the case, I cannot but observe, that it renders the positive deter-
mination to adhere peremptorily to that choice, and even to refyse
all discussion of the reasons upon which I think a different course
ought to be pursued, not only more unintelligible to me, but more
difficult fur me to acquiesce in. I should have thought that it might
upon such grounds have been still an open question.
" Let me take this opportunity of renewing the assurance which
I have already given you, that your determination as the result of
your judgment in this matter, to advise the King to confide to other
hands the Seals which I now hold, will not have the slightest ten-
dency to diminish the friendship which I feel both for you end fur
Huskisson ; nor to abate the tiucere wishes which I entertain for
the future success of your Administration.
" I feel that where parties of such unequal weights are placed by
an unfortunate concurrence of circumstances in two opposite scales,
there ought not to be a moment's hesitation (with reference to the
interests of Government) in so disposing of me as to retain the in-
valuable services of our common friend.

(Slimed) J. C. HERMES."
Did this, he would again ask the House, indicate a
deliberate desire to overturn the Government, and that,
too, by trick or stratagem?—(Loud cheering). He
could not remain in the Government without sacrificing
both public principle and private personal character—
and to that be would never be induced to submit. He
had stated the public grounds upon which he objected
to tke appointment of the Noble Lord in his first letter;
an instance of whith he had pointed out to Lord Gode-
rich in the public declamations of the Noble Lord
against the principle of a Sinking Fund. He hoped that
he had satisfactorily explained to the House, so as to
leave no doubt on the minds of any whom he had the
honour to address, that there had been no delay on
his part between the communication which first gave
him a knowledge of the circumstances respecting the
Finance Committee, and his letter of the 21st of De-
cember, which would justify the suspicion endeavoured
to be spread abroad as to the motives of such delay--
(Lou d cheering). He hoped he had succeeded in removing
from the minds of all whom he had the honour to ad-
dress, the appearance of anything like design in the post-
ponement of his resignation, so as to th wart the measures,
or le:td to the destruction of the Administration, with
which he had c.)nneczed himself—(Continued cheering).
He had stated the repeated applications which he made
for discussion, and in what way they were discouraged.
He had stated also that that part of the matter relating
'to the resignation of his Right Honourable Friend
had positively not been made known to him. Now
from all this and other things that had come within his
knowledge, he was obliged to draw the conclusion, that
owing to the circumstances which had shaken the Go-
vernment to its foundation before the 21st of December
—owing;
,to the circumstances which atterwards caused
its dissolution in°January (although his Noble Friend
in his explanation in another place, never once adverted
to his case)—that event was so apparently inevitable,
that occasion was taken of this letter of his, to convert
it into an opportunity of doing voluntarily, what, sooner
or later, must have been forced upon ibem— (Chetring).
I say I knew it," (continued the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman amidst the loudest cheering)—" I know that
means were sought and taken to destroy the Adminis-
tration, and that my letter was carried to the foot of the
Throne, that step having been studied as a means of
accomplishing such an object. I have a great respect
and regard for the virtues and many estimable qualities
of the Noble L',rd, but in this matter I must be frank.

If by an unfortunate occurrence of circumstances his
conduct places my character and honour at stake, I
must speak out." The Right Hon. Gentleman pro.
ceeded to say, that no Minister capable of holding the
reins of Government at all, could be supposed seriously
to take such a paltry, inconsiderable difficulty as Voris to
the foot of the Throne as an embarrassment, as obstacle,

for which he could give no Advice how it was to be got
over—who did not by that act virtually take there
his resignation,—(Cheers). Perhaps in the warm:h 1
of debate he had departed from the rule which
he at first laid down, that public men, even where
their honour was concerned, were not justified in
going beyond what was strictly necessary. He trusted that be
had disclosed no more than his honour required; if so, be bad to
regret the transgression of a rule which it was his anzions wish to
have obsetned. His vindication bad been confined to these two alle-
gations; first, that he had been the cause of the dissolution of the
Government—the second, that he had produced it by design. As to
the cause of that event, he believed the whole country were agreed
that it could not by possibility have tested with him. Here was
an individual, recently introduced to office, unitise circumstan-
ces not the most f able to his possessing great influence
or importance—( Hear, hear)—who in the course of three months
found it necessary to send in his resignation; and it' was pre-
tended that such an act involved the dissolution of the Ministry L
Why, he said, that such a proposition was absurd and incredible—
(Loud cheering). There was one other circtinsitance, respect-
ing which he would say a few words, before he concluded what
he trusted would be received as a complete vindication of bit cha-
racter and honour—(Great cheering). He wished to repel in the
strongest manner an unworthy imputation—that he had not only
managed his resignation so as to cause the destruction oS the Go.
vernment, but that be had done it in conceit with others. This had
been stated in some Papers, reputed to be in communication,
through the Editors or some other persons, with the highest Au-
thorities on the other side of the House. It had there been insi-
nuated that be had acted in concert with others ort of office, and
partly with those who had held office before, and even with the
highest Authority in the State. He now declared upon his ho-
nour as a Gentleman, and as he hoped to be saved hereafter, that
he never had one word of communication upon the subject with
any man whatsoever but his own colleagues—(Loud cheers.)—
With respect to the other High Quarter which had been the object
of so gross a calumny, be was aware that it was irregular to make
the allusion, but he would say that he had reason to believe that no
part of the transaction was known in that High Quarter, until after
the communication from his Noble Friend was made. He had
only now to thank the House for the kindness and the patience
with which they had listened to the necessary vindication of his
character.—(The Itight Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud and
reiterated cheers from all parts of the House.)
Mr. TIERNEY said, the statement of the transaction
in which he had been concerned was pietty accurately
stated, but sot with perfect accuracy. Early in No-
vember he proposed to Lord Goderich to have Lord Al-
thorpe as Chairman of the Finance Committee. So
help him GOD, he did so for the purpose of strengthen-
ing the Government. Lord Goderich said, the appoint-
ment
concerned the Members of the House of Com-
mons most, and desired him to mention it to the Secre-
tary for the Colonies, and whatever they both agreed
on he should also agree te. He, in consequence, made
the communication to the Right Hon. Gentleman, and
he readily concurred in the propriety of the appoint-
ment. As he had then the approbation of the head of
the Government, and leader in the House of Commons,
' he thought he. had some warrant to inquire whether
Lord Althorpe slould undertake the office, and requested
Lord Spencer to make that inquiry of Lord Althorpe.
In answer to this inquiry, he received a letter, dated
20th Nov. from Lord Althorpe, consenting to accept
the appointment. On the 28th, he called on his Right
' Hon. Friend, Mr. Huskisson, and bond the Chancellor
of the Exchequer with him. He wily believed the
' first word of business Mr. Huskisson said to him was,
we bay, been talking of the appointment of Lossi Al-

thorpe to be Chairman of the Finance Committee, in
whiCh he cordially agrees. He'lltightobet possibility,
be mistaken in the words, and if he were, he hoped the
Right Hon. Gentleman would correct him.—(Mr. Hue-
kisson expressed his agfeement irothetorrectness of the
expression. Mr. Berries said, he did- not agree is
the expression "cordially agrees.").:—(A- great laueh).
He (Mr. Tierney) then shewed both the Right Hon. -
Gentlemen a list of names he had • brought with him,
out of which he thought the Committee should be
taken ; and it so happened that every name on the Com-
mittee since appointed, was in that list. H • was then
going to Brighton, and had he met any person on the
road to whom it would be proper to make a communi-
cation on the subject, so satisfied was he that the ap-
pointment of the Noble Lord was settled, that he could
have felt no doubt or hesitation in stating it as a thing
settled. He soon after received a letter- from Mr.
Huskisson, in which he - observed, that it would be
better not to mention the app iintment of Lord Althorpe
as Chairman, nor the name of aty other member of
the Committee: 'o which he replied, that he had not
mentioned any of the intended appointments. He
would now mention, that he believed the Right
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Herries) might have
felt a little sore at his (Mr. Tieiney's) interfering in
the appointment ; as the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman probably knew, what he was ready to avow,
that he had opposed his introduction into the Cabinet ;
but he could appeal to the Right Hon. Gentleman,
whether, after he had been placed in the Cabinet, he
(Mr. Tierney) had ever acted in any other manner to-
wards him than as a friendly colleague? and he
could assure the Right Honourable Gentleman, that
in the part he had taken, in recommending the ap-
pointment of Lord Althorpe, be had never intended
him the least possible slight; and he could posi-
tively declare, that before the 9th of January. he. never
heard that there was any difference of opinion
on the subject—he was wholly ignorant of the threat-
ened resignations—(Hear, hear). He thought it extra-
ordinary that he was not informed of the danger they
were all in, but he supposed the teaser's was, that as his
proposition was the cause of the difference, he would
be the most likely person in the world to remove it.—
(Hear, bear). The Right Hon. Gentleman, however,
never communicated with him, for which he did not
charge him; though had he done so, he (Mr. T.) could
have reconciled the differeece and kept the Government
together. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Herr ies) said
be knew there was a determination to overturn the Go-
vernment before he wrote his letter of resignation; and
that that letter was used as a pretence to blow up the
Government. If that were the case, some one ought
to be impeached, no man could serve the King if
such cabals were allowed to exist—(Hear, hear).
The Right Hon. Gentleman would come off with flying
colours, if he could prove that fact. Could any plan
believe that the Right Hon. Gentleman's objection to
Lord Althorpe was the only cause of overturning the
GOvernment ? He believed the Right Hon. Gentleman
was out of humour with the Government before that
appointment was mentioned. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man had mentioned Lord Goderich's restoration ; it was
very well for those, who, when the House was blown up,
found themselves safe on their legs, to be pleasant. That
restoration took place on the 19th Dec. and the Right
Hon. Gentleman did not object to it, but sent in'his resig-
nation on the 21st, by ' which the Government was
blown up. Was that fair play ?—(Hear, hear, hear).
Why did not the Right Honourable Gentleman state
all his objections before Lord Godei ich's restoration was
finally agreed on ? But no ! he bottled up all his ob-
jections at the time they might be removed, and opened
them when their production was sufficient to overturn
the Government—(Hear, heat).—On the 29th of De-
cember the Secretary for the Colonies attended a Ca-
binet in which he determined to take no part. Why,
he (Mr. Tierney) never heard that fact till it was stated
to the House that night—(Hear, hear).—Even after
Lord Goderich had resigned, that Right Honourable
Gentleman had said to him, that he was determined to
die in the field, rather than abandon the King's Govern...
meat. He (Mr. Tierney) thought that a gond determine.
tioo, for he was determined to die in the field too—
(Hear and laughter.) Wasit possible that Lord Goderich
could go to the King and resign his office without con.
cert with some one.—in charity to Lord GoJerich he
could not believe it. Lord Goderich was certainly a
very amiable man, though probably not the best suited
for difficult situations. When he resigned his situa.
tion as head of the Government, what could the King do
but send for some man capable of controlling the discos.
dant elements? He hoped the Noble Doke and the
liight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) who had undertaken
the task would be found able to accomplish it. He
wished them success; but as for those who called them-
selves Mr. Canning's friends, he troublei his head no
more about them than about any other per-ons that
walked the streets—(Hear, hear, hear). The 'Right
Hon. Gentleman told his Constituents at Liverpool the
terms on which the Whigs supported Mr. Canning's
Administration. It was certainly very kind of the
Right Honourable Gentleman, when he had so much to
explain for himself, to take the trouble of explaining
for the Whigs also. But he (Mr. Tierney) had sup-
ported Mr. Canning's Administration for a year and
half before he was connected with- the Government.
The persons now in Government were constantly cut-
ting the throat of Mr. Canning's measures, which
were only carried by the support of his (Mr. Tier-
trey's) side of the House. It was not the fact, that
when the Whigs joined Mr. Canning's Government.
they adopted the principles of Lord LiverpoorkGm.
vernment. He joined Mr. Canning's Governmeni
because it was founded on principles favourable to
freedom, and which met the support of the people.
He felt such confidence in Mr. Canning': princi-
ples, that he exacted nothing from him in the war
of pledges, but he freely told him what was his deter-
mination. He told him that at his time of life he
did not expect to see the great question of Parlia-
mentary Reform carried ; but whenever •it was pro-
posed l heof supporttmheustTest
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(Mr. Canning) was willing to take him on these
terms, he was ready to join trim heart and hand.—
This was not adopting the policy of Lord Liverpool's
Government. Mr. Canning WIIS in favour of Catholic
Emancipation, so necessary to the tranquillity of Le-
land. The policy of Lord Liverpool's Government
was to refuse it ; and lie felt that it was quite im-
possible that the people of that country could' have
the same confidence in a Government that was repre-
sented in each House of Parliament by their avowed
opponents, as they had in a Government in which Mr.
Canning filled the place now occupied by the Noble
Duke, and that of the Marquis of Lansdown, occupied
by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel). He was glad
to hear that the Noble Marquis (Anglesey), and the
Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Lamb), were to fill
the first offices in the Government of Ireland ; and that
they had a Lord Charicellor oho was a sound lawyer,
and never meddled with polaics. The Policy of Lord
Lieerpoore Geminate:it was to get rid of Alr. cgolurg