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the Bill, move that the clause bwamended as he wished, I
or omitted altogether. lie trustier:l, therefore, the Noble:
and:United Lord would not per seven. in violation of
the forms of the Muse and the convenience of its
proceeding!. • •
The Earl of ELDON would think himself extremely
blameable if what the Noble Earl had stated were cor-
rect. He denied that the House had ever come to that
stage in which he had proposed to insert the words ".I
am a Protestant." On the contrary, he did assert that)
according to his understanding of what had passed, a
motion was made for the postponement of the fur-
ther consideration of the Report before he could
move. the inserti9n of those words in the Declara-
tion. The Noble Earl, too, had mistaken what he
had stated as to his intention in moving these Amend.
menu. He had not said he moved them only for the
1 purpose of putting them formally on the Journals; and
when that charge had been brought against him last
night, he understood, from the assent of those whom he
had addressed, that he was entirely acquitted of it. He
would be sorry to bring their Lordships' proceedings
into confusion, and he would..take the liberty of saying,
that there was no man more desirous than he was to
conform to their Orders. •He would rather that this
faulty, miserable, wretched Bill, should pass. without
pny Amendment, than be guilty of a breach of the
Orders of the House. But he maintained that he was
not out of order, and that it was fully competent for him
to make this motion ; and he was the more inclined to
persist in making it, after the objections, that had been
urged against it. He had only moved his Amendments
•to the preamble last night, but he knew he had stated
his intention to move the insertion of the other words in
the Declaration. The Noble Earl, therefore, must have
misunderstood him. He would withdraw his Amend-
ment, however, out of compliment to the Noble Earl,
though he had not treated him with all the candour he
had expected from him. Certainly, he would avail him-
self of the opportunity he should have on the third
reading, when he would take the sense of the House
upon his Amendments.
Earl GREY disclaimed any intention of treating the
Noble and Learned Lord with an improper want of
candour. He would not dispute with the Noble and
Learned Lord what Ins meaning was; but he had stated
the impression on his mind as to the facts that had
occurred last night, and he knew the same impression
was made upon the minds of others. He must decline
the compliment the Noble and Learned Lord was dis-
posed to pay him. He objected to the introduction of
the words proposed, because the motion was contrary
to the forms and usages of the House, and therefore a
motion which it was not competent for the Noble and
Learned Lord to make. Since he had first called their
Lordships attention to this subject, he had referred to
the Minutes, and he found this entry—" Moved in
Committee to insert, after the words on the true faith
of a Christian,' the words • I am a Protestant; which
being objected to, it was moved to adjourn the further
consideration of the Report till to-morrow." If this
did not render it comple,ely clear that their Lordships
last night had discussed this very point which the Noble
and Learned Lord now wished to reserve, he did not
know what could be clear.
The Earl of ELDON—I do assure your Lordships,
upon my honour, I never did move these words, " I am
a Protestant." Ido not deny that the Noble Earl may
find them in the minutes; bet I will take the liberty to
say, that whoever placed them there, if he means to state
•that that was my motion, has stated that which I never
did make.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—I beg leave to state,
that according to my recollection, my Noble and Learned
Friend did move the insertion of some winds in the pi e•
amble. That motion was negatived ; and my Noble
and Learned Friend stated afterwards, that he meant to
move that some words, as then proposed, should be in-
serted in the declaration. My Noble and Learned Friend
made a speech, stating the grounds on which he should
support that motion. Bat as si,me doubt; arose in the
course of the discussion, tl e qisestion was Wither ad-
journed. That, I believe, was use state of the facts. My
Noble and Learned Friend did not absolutely move the
inset tion of the words.
Lord HOLLAND—I think, my Lord., there most
have been a motion before the House. Tne Noble and
Learned Lord who values so highly the forms of the
House, would hardly have made a speech without
making a motion—(Hear, hear). It is idle to suppose
he would so waste your Lordships' time. We heard, my
Lords, on the first day of the Session, that the Turks
were a very good sort of people—that their mere word
was as good as the signed and e rotten instruments of
others. Their memory, we are told, is so good, and
their honesty so great, that we may always oust them
without any fear of being deceived. But we, my
Lords, ate but frail mortals, and mere Christians. We
are not such excellent men, nor quite so accurate in
all our transactions ; and therefore it is part of the
orders of this House, that what passes here should be
written down and entered on the minutes that are kept
'of our proceedings—(cheers and laughter). The mo-
tion was made, there can be no doubt ; it must have
been made. If I remember tightly, the Noble and
Learned Lord made two speeches on that motion—
(Hear, hear). Am Ito believe that he was only telling
your Lordships what lie intended to do tomorrow, and
giving all his re ,sons at length? The Noble and
Learned Lord now calls on us to revert to what was
decided last night, and discuss afresh what this House
of Parliament has already settled. My Lords, lam a
plain man, and no lawyer: _ _

But were I Brutus,

And Brutus Antony,"
you would hear what dreadful evils would arise from
overturning all the rules and proceedings of Pailia-
ment. You would hear, my Lords, that a revolutionary
design existed to destroy all the rules and orders which
have been handed down to us from our ancestors—
( Hear, bear ! and laughter). Yon would bear of the
high respect in which tt:ey have always been held by
the Legislature who passed arid preserved so many ex
cellent Laws—(Cbeers). My Lords, if these proceed-
ings be allowed, it will be in the power of one man to
prevent any Bill from passing. He will have nothing
to do but, after moving all the Amendments possible
as the clauses passed regularly, ro go back and bring
the whole subject again under consideration. Thus
might the whole time of your Lordships be consumed
in discussing one single Bill. We must abide by the
written document. The Noble and Learned Lord
has, fortunately for himself—int, perhaps I should
say nnforttmately for the House—another opportunity
of moving this very question once more, according
to the forms of the Howe. His present course is
against all our rules, orders, and precedents—(Cheers).
The Earl of ELDON—I shalt withdraw the motion ;
but I feel it necessary again to assert, that there is not
the slightest pretence for saying that I ever got to that
part of the Declaration is which I intended to move
that the wads “ I am a Protestant" should be inserted.
Is arguing the preamble of the Bill, I did eater into'
the consideration of the Amendment I intended to
make in the Declaration, and indeed I could not make