Star.
London, England, 1816-06-18 00:00:00

FROM PERU.

A brig has anivrd at Baltimore from the River of
Plate. The Patriots in Peru had received. a small
reinforcement of men and arms, and were preparing
to
_march for Potosi. The new Revolutionary Con-
gress has assembled at Tucamen. General Artegas
is said to 'have recommenced hostilities against the
Buenos Ayreans, had captured Santa Fe, and was
said to be matching against the capital.

PORTSMOUTH, MAY IS.
TRH FISHERMEN CAPTURED.

Two fishing vessels from the Bay of Fundi arrived
at Newcasde yesterday, and harmed, that whilefish,
ing about three leagues from land, seven vessels be-
longing to that place, and three to Rattray, were
captured by the barges of a British gun-hrig and sent
into St. John's fer adjudication. We understand that
' one of the vessels arrived made het escape during the
capture, and that the other bad her papers endorsed
by the gun-brig previous to her anchoring on that
ground.—One of the captured vessels has arrived here
this morning, and states that after being 'detained
;from Thursday to Monday, they were released, and
warned against fishing there in future.
Some further accounts of the capture of the Comet
state that her piratical Commander took the Gover-
nor of St. Andrew's from off -the Musquito shore,
and inbemanly murdered him en board his vessel--;
The Boxer, it is said, was on a cruise after another
pirate, who was said 0 be in the Guiph Streams 'aud
had sin board i immense imonat of "plutidef." •

entered to be committed toonnrrow.
The Charitable bonationall was read a 3d time and paste&
Lord LILFORD notified his intention to move the second
reading of the Poor Laws Bills on. Wednesday.
STATE (L THE COINAGE.
The Order ripen which their Lordships weiosum-
Toned being read— -...
The Earl of LAUDEaDALE rose to call their
Lordships'.attention to the above stihject. Not Wm..
he observed, hut an imperious sense of duty would
induce him thus to come forward, as,,it he were not -
greatly mistaken, the Measure a:sout to be adopted
for a new Sleer,Coinage would in fact ,involve the,
public in still greater diEfictilties, without its being -;
found in practice of any one beneficial consequence
tor the country., The first consideration that struck
him in the discussion on.which he was about to enter
arose From what was stated on a former night by the
Noble Earl opposite, vie. that gold was the properest.
standard of value for this country ; against which
position he meant to contend, and to endeavour, to
establish, that Slyer was the metal that ought to ,
form our standard of tattle. He must augur unfa-.
vourably of any system adopting gold as the measure
of value in all payinents of value above 42 shillings.
Among all that he had read or learned upon the
subject, he had, never heard, before he perused the
late Lord LiverpoOPs book on the subject (a work
which appeared about ten years ago). Aliat.golcl was
the standard which ought to be adopted *for value by ;
this country. One of the &it. reasons w:ly gold
should not be achapeed as our standard was. the fre-
apent fluctuation;; in its value. In-France, long. a...
wealthy and cm: menial country like this, the silver .
was the chief circulating medium. , In fact, sifter.
was there the measure, and gold theahingao be.mea- .
sured. The aptitude or liability, in a variety of ways,,.
of gold ao be wit hdieswn.,ttorn,c.i revision, was merles,
strong reason against its adept i onus a standard. As
iv. nrnrop,lecl. tho • Noble Earl* ri.f.:rerel to W2rtais.:.
writers on the Subject, from some olwhein he quOterk
in support of his argument. .S;lver,ollso, when used
merely as a change, wr,s peculiarly liable. to debast..!
ment, and in a way so as to.be made a cause of tales
ing gold tat of .the country. •IV.ere it constituted
the standard and medium of payments, itavould re.
found otherwise. hialcitig gold a legal tender..wri•,a..
the sum amounted to 425. ssoald prove another die.
advantage ; and when silver was also made a .legal'tender to a certain amount, there would in fact be
two standards and two media of payments. It would ,
be beneficial, he thought,-if .silver were coined of t
lesser denomination than sixpence. The most .41-
portant consideration of the whole.perhapa was, how
far the present was a proper period to be selected toe
an alteration of the coin ? And on' tktis topic, refer-
ring also to the report of an intended change in the
denomination of the gold coin, it should be a serious
consideration how fir such a step may not operate
injuriously. In a rather early part of the last century,
nroidores were in certain parts of England pretty
much in circulation at 275-. ad.—their actual value
was about '27s. Id. By a Proclamation they were to'
be taken only at 275. and the consequence was, they
soon disappeared entirely. Added to this important
consideration, was that of the time whenahenew-Sil-
ver Coinage was proposed. At • a period' when a
greatly increased issue at a paper coinage was un-
doubted, it would be incalculably disadvantageous.
This consideration-. was pointedly referred io in the
work of the late Lord Liverpool, who stated that a
new system of coinage could not be adopted with any
hope of permanent advantage, until steps were taken
for remedying the evils resulting -ftom -the present
state of the paper currency. Since that period, how:
ever, the paper currency had dreadfully increased.-- .
The country banks were then a little more than 500,
now they were considerably above GOO. For the
counteraction of these alarming evils, he did not Urge
their Lordships to the adoption of any measure. pro-
posed by himself. He only wished that.they should
go into an inquiry into the. state of the coinage, be-
fore they resolved upon a measure_which he contend-
ed would pot the country to an immense; and worse
than useless 'expense.. He concluded by moving.._
That a Committee be appointed to inquire whole'.
there be any probability- that the intended Silver
Coinage will remain in circulation in the present state
of the general. Currency, and rendering Gold the sole
legal tender in sums above 42 shillings, &c.
Time Earl of LIVERPOOL rose and stated, that,
after the fullest consideration he had been able to give
to thitimportain subject—after the closest attention
in his power to the various documents before the
House—he could assure Their Lordships no alteration
was effected in his opinions; but, on the contrary,
every thing tended to Confirm him in the judginent
he bad before deliberately formed. First, with re.
spect to the queitions7--How far gold had actually
been 'die standard and measure of value in this -corm.
try rand how far it ought, to Continue so ? they were;
'very distinct. He, however, understood the Noble
Earl, that Old has beni the standard of valise in We
country slice about the year 1717. And as to Aug;
Ought te be the standard of value, it would natty ally
nide decide itself than any thing they could do in

,
SI way of lalgislatrie ens . That gold was
Ihe standard of value, oricAligty arose ont of the
issarnitu de of the commercial concerns of the country,.
Itnd it afterwards so continued on the same principle.
Indeed, it was plain, that when a particular metal
was constituted a legal tender, in a limited sum, and
- another in a sum not limited, it was an inferred de-
claration, that the latter, such as gold, was the actual
standard. Another criterion was the urine of ex-
change; when the, gold coin was in an imperfect
mate, the bidance immediately turned against us ;
-but that• Was not the case with respect to silver.; its
deterioration' produced no such effect. Therefore
gold was necessarily regarded is the standard of va.
Inc. Nothing was more 'clear than that. reckoning
from the period of the gold recoinage to that of the
Walt restriction, it was that state of things that all
were desirous of reverting to,-namely, to a period
when gold was in circulation, and that consideration
alone would be a proof of gold being considered as
the general standard of value. That gold ought tO
Continue-the standard of value, as various and as in.
controvertible arguments certainly obtained. First,
it was not liable to the same fluctuations in value, as
the less valuable Metals ; it was less likelyao become
deteriorated than silver.. People in general weighed
their guineas and half-guineas ; but they never could
be induced to weigh silver.—(licar. hear). —lt was
certain that there ought to be but one standard, of
value, and that standard ought to be gold. For this
they had the severest of all guides to determine them,
namely, eapetience. There were instances in, which
silver was tried as a standard of value, and it always
failed. Gold had been tried, and it did not tail.—
(gear, err).—What his Majesty's Government pro.
posed was not an innovation. but to revert to that
.system, of which they had ample experience from the
years 1717 to 1774, and thence to the restriction on
the flank ; and this was a recurrence for which all
parties were professedly anxious. With respect to'
what was said as to a proposed change in the deno-
mination of the gold coin, that certainly was not a
question of principle, but one of convenience ; if it
were found by practical persons to be a matter of
real convenience, though he would tattier adhere to
the old denominations, he had ao objection to the al.
tendon. As to the idea of evil resulting front the
prieposed coinage, he differed widely from the Noble
Earl.; but it was certain the longer the measure was
deayed the greater would be the difficulties. This
his Lordship entered upon some calculations to este.
blialu He saw no apprehension for the new Silver 4
Coinage not remaining in tires-Wiwi; the average
price of silver was ss. and a fraction, and unless time
was a considerable rise in the price (of which there
was no ground whatever for supposing), there could
be no danger of the new coin disappearing. It was
not the intention to issue the new silver coinage until
the whole of the old were called in, or cried down ;
and it was not intended that the Bank Tokens sl.ould
remain much longer in circulation after the new coin
was issued, net haiger perhaps than six weeks or two
months. He repeated, there was no pioipect of a
ride in the price of silver bullion, unless in the event
of necessary importations of corn front the Continent,
er a foreign expenditure. This last was the great
cause of the lung unfavourable state or the excilunge.
In the peace of 1814, tae
watt was scarcely dry on
the Treaty, wherethe Exchange tut ned in our favour,
notwithstanding there were heavy floating Comicial-
WM smuts againsa us. No one %time° more tor tan
tesuluption of cash payments' by the Batik than he
did, and in the interval, every step should be adopted
to supply the country with a proper coinage. Upon
the whole, when he considered the great MASS of in-
formation which was before Parkiment on the sub-
jett-7-the repeated and 1 .ng discussioni it had under-
gone. he.must feel there was no necessity whatever
ter farther delay or examination, with respect Loa
measure which was so necessary, and so loudly and
generally called forr.—(lfrar, hrarl.-1t was there-;
tore his du y to oppose the Noble I.arl's.motion.
Their I....irdships respectively spoke in explanation,
.and on the question being put, the motion was nega-
dyed without a division.

The remaining Bills upon the Table were then for-
walled in their several. stages.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS:
Idr. CANNING :ouk the oath and his seat as Menthe: for'
Liverpool.

Mr. LONG moved for an estimate of the expenses of erect-
ing a temporary building •t rile &hash Museum, to receive the
Fisk' marbles. Ordered.
General HOIANTON gave notice, that on the fifth be would
move an Address so the Prtace Regent, to request that he would
be pleased to order the erectlisu of too tree Churches, to cum-
niessorate the victories of Waterloo awl Trafalgar.
Surrogates' Bill went through a Committee. Repoli
to-isi 'avow.

'1 be House went into a Committee on the 03 and Blubber
Act', and Bill: were ordered to be brought in.
Mr. itcP,ll °hulloed leave to bring in a Bill for better rep.
bring the Drawing of the Half Pay of Navy Officers.
Mr. LUSPIiNGTON moved that the Order fur the second
reading of the rah Duty Bill be discharged.—Agreed to.
The Half-pay Regulation Bill was brought in by Mr. Rose.—
Rtad.a first. time, ai4 ordered to: a second reading to-morrow.
Mr. RtkiE having moved that the• Report of the
Madhouses' Bail he taken into further consideration.
Lord ROBERT SEYMOUIt paid high compli-
ments-to the author of the Bill, but contended that
it did not give sufficient powers to the Co mmissioneri.
He reprt.ved the regular manner in which the pa.
tieuts in Bethlem Hospital were lately visited, bled,
and vomited, without -much auention to the vicissi.
nudes of their disorder. This would rot have hap-
pened had the Commissioncrs brio empowered to
call more frequently and inquire wore deeply. A
shun titne ago, the Commtssioners had visited, in
two hours and a half, 406 patients at Hutton, and
could not hare liad time to do full justice to them all.
He had been long in the habit of calling at those
abodes of human misery; and the House would be
turprized to learn, that until a few weeks he had
rever heard of a lunatic being visited by a single re-
lative or friend. It was not astonishing, therefore,
that many abases should prevail in licensed mad.
Louses. At Hutton there was no classification of
patients. At the establishment at York, although it
witil visited by. Gentlemen of humiity. there were
four cells in which thirteen women were lucked up at
night, -and literally buried in their own nastiuess.
y0u41.4 patients had also been found accessible 10 the
koeyers, and two women who-enjoyed excellent chit-
zacters before they had been sent to this establish.
trent, lest it pregnant at their recovery, the one by
the *oilier, and the other.by a patient. He then
tituttbed the horrors of -tbc panishiseutof the wait,

waistcoat, lagged oo refasten' potion. and raid'
that the lancet was sometimes employed fur no otters'
purpose than to reduce them to a state of co
exhaustion. •
-Mr. ROSE eonteoeloti„ that the Bill invested Ma.;
&rates with sufficient powers to remove the abuses
that might ockur' in Madhouiei. The Report was
then taken into farther consideration.
Mr. C. WYNNE suggested the propriety of in.
trodncieg a regulation in the Bill, to apply to houses
where only one lunatic was contained. lie then pro-
posed to introduce a clause, enacting that no person
should receive a lunatic, without a certificate from s
medical man, stating hat the individual was a fit
subject for confinement; that when one should be
proposed to the keeper, he should send notice of it
to the Commissioners, who would he sworn to se-
liony, and that he shoul ultimately obtain patent.
Mr. from the Secretary of State to receive the patient.
Mr. ROSE moved the re•commitment of the Bill.
Lord BINNING wished that the provisions of the
Bill should be made to extend to Scotland.
*The Bill was then ordered to be re-committed
_____

Morrow.
Mr. Invixo, from the Office of Ins'pretor.General
of Exports and Imports, presented accounts of the
bomber of Ships employed in the South Sea While
Fisheries.—Ordered to lie on the Table. _

Mr. ELLIS presented an estimate of the expenses
of a temporary building for the reception of the Ei•
gin Marbles.--Ordered to be relerred to the Com-
mittee of Supply.
Mr. Mtn I'IINOT presented an account of the
Expense of the Penitentiary at Milbank.—Ordered
to he on the Table._

Sir H. PARNELL presented a Petition from.the
Inhabitants of Dublin, praying that the improve-
ments proposed by the Committee on the Holyhead
Packet Bill be carried into effect.
After a few worch from Mr. V. FITZOERALD and
Mr. C. WYNNR, the Petition was read, and ordered
to lie on the Table.

Lord FOLKSTONE presented a Petition from
Thomas John Walker, against punishing small crimes
with death, and praying that an asylum be provided
for the reception of petty criminais.—Ordered to lie
on the Table.
_ _

Mr. GUM/. LANGTON presented a Petition
signed by 3,377 persons, tiara ti►e inhab.tants of the
County ,of Somerset. against any Addition► to the
Salary of the Coroners.—Ordered to lie on the Table.
Sir SAMUEL. ROMILLY presented a Petition
from a number of (I,:ntltmen holding tenements in
the square of Lincoln's Inn, against the erection of
Courts fur the Chancellor and Vace•CL:ancellhr, in
Lincoln's Inn Garden.

Atter a ieW words from Mr. COUXTIMAY. the Peti-
tion was read and ordered to lie on the Table.

Sir S. ROMILLY then presented A Petition from
Prisoners f 44 Debt in the New Gaol in the City of
London. against the Repeal or Alteration of the In-
solvent Detrtors' Act.—Ordered to lie on the Table.

The third reading of the Gus Lignt Bill was put
off till Wednesda).

CONSOLIDATION Of TUX EXCHIIQUERIL

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, 44 That the Report of the Committee on the.
Exchequer Consolidation Bill be received."
On reading the motion that the blank in the clause
for creating a Vice-Treasurer of Ireland, be tilled
with the words seS.Aon a.y. r .
Mr. PONSONBY rose and said The debate
in the Committee on the merits of this Bill, being so
much extended, I do not think it necessary to detain
the House long by any further observations: The
reasons then urged by this side of the llouse, why a
salary of stSsOu was wholly uncalled tor, appear to
me so unanswerable, that I am en this occasion more
disposed to submit the motion to the Houle without
argument. lis the Committee a salary of ,6551X/was
proposed, and I moved a reduction to sti'oo9; and I
am well convinced that any one out of this House, who
compared the amendment with the porosition,
thought that I erred rather in giving too much, and
that toy fault was liberality, not the contrary—(Hone,
hear. hear.) The reduction should In greater. I,
however, will not depart from the arneadnient I then
proposed ; and I shall now move that the blank be
filled up with the words &WM a-year."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
would nut have addressed the House on this subject
A ner the decisive majority which voted on a former
night in favour of the original Motion, but that there
were many now present who had not been in the,
House on that occasion. T 3 apprise them, there.,
fore, of the name of the proposed arrangements, it;
was necessary to recapitulate his arguments. In the
year 1795, the Treasury of Ireland was placed under
the coots's' of dace Vice Treasurers, each of whom
had £3500 a year. It was now intended to create
one. who was to have the individual management of
all the pecuniary concerns of that kingdom. 'When
it was also known that those three ice= Treasurers
executed their business by deputy, he did not think
that the House would consider the present appoint.
ment as being too extravagant.
The House then divided, when tile numbers were
—For the Amendment of Mr. Ponsonby 100—
Against it 98—Majority in its favour 2.
The salary of the Vice-Treasurer will, therefore,
he X2OOO a-year.
(While strangers were excluded loud shouts were
heard in the lobby of the Rouse.)
On our re-admission to the gallery we friend Mr.
PONSONBY on his legs, contending, that as the
Argumea.t of the Gentlemen opposite against.bis
amendment oft a former night was, that 42000
a-year would be insufficient to support the dignity of
the Vice Treasurer and the expenses incidental to his
necessary attendance in Parliament, it now of course
tolloweo, that when £2OOO a-y ear was considered by
die House a fair compensation for his services, his
seat in Parliament must be quite unnecessary. He
(Mr. Pontoon/by) fek the force of this ;Cringe, and
would, therefore, move, on the third reading of the
Bill, that the clause enabling the .Vice Treasurer to
sit in Parliapent be rescinded—(Hear, hear.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied. that it was not on the ground of the amount
of salary the seat in Parliament was considered as an
appendage to this office, but on account of the im '
pomace of the qualifications necessary for she indi-
dual who held this office, and the magnitude of the
sit lion itself.
Mr. TIE.KNEY.si Whet are the qualifications
lac:wary tar such a situation, and wherein siasiits

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die impoltiate atibe ace balk r radkaggsa- r 7
osiser
M • BANtES inquired whether the expense of,
the office, of DeptsFy, attached to this situation, was
to be imposed on the public or on the priocipal who
held it
Tbe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, it could nut be intended that it should fall on
the principal, who bad acv but 4'2000 a-year.
Mr. BANICES was of opinion, that the principal
should pay the expenses of. the Deputy, or else that
be should remain on the spot which was the seat of
his business ; and, according to the words of the act,
s issue out of the Exchequer of Ireland the certain
necessary sums."—(Haar.) It he did not adopt this
practice, his situation was unnecessary—for, since
the union of tho Treasuries, the Lowness- had beea
regularly conducted, and indeed, since the Abolition
of the Vice TreilStiref Ship, which furnterly subsisted.'
be could hardly see a, reason why an itieGicient office
with an effective salary should be abolished, and the
appendage of its income carefully preserved. But it
really appeared that the object was, not only t'
create an office for a particular individual, but to
make the ofiicer lenitive from the proper sphere of
his sluts', and to take his seat in that House.—
kar.) Such a proceeding was highly ob-
jectionable. The public at large felt it as a sinecure,
and on the third reading of the Bill, he would per-
haps propose that the Deputy should b.: paid by the
Principal.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that the Deputy
would have to issue money, and cotititer,ilo the war-
rant of his Principal. He (Sir Jo'ili) could no;
concur in the importance of tois ostice, because he
knew it could be dispensed with altogether, as, in-
deed, it Vaal been by the transmittal a the warrants
to the Treasury here. At all evens, it the oilier
were necessary, the individual holding it should re
side on the spot, and make hiniseit useful (45 he
might) as a servant of the Treasury.
On the question that the But be read the third
time on Wednesday,
Mr. PONSONI3f submitted the propriety of fixing
the third reading for Tuesday, as important business
stood fur ‘Vednesday, which would throw back this
question teltil a late hour, when it could come cu.
Lied CASTLEREAGH said, that he was anxi-
ous fur a fu:l attendance
.on this question, and he
thought this could not be Letter actompliiiieJ than
by bringing it on upon a night when a LUUtiOll of im-
portance was expected. .

Mr. PONSON i Y Trtia; but who cln expect
ais motion call t.one an itt wagon...6le time on
that night ?"—(fienr.)
Mr. TIE lt ti l:: Y remarked, that it appeared
throughout, the N0!7.1.: Lord':; plan was to carry on
this jo'i at a i ite hour of their sitt•ng, anil now, warn
he f outi:l he cnuld not accomplish his purpose ill its
full extent, he was determined to carry on bah a j.,6.
(.1 lan;4, and Afar.) it was impossible, with the
Ousiness that stood for Wednesday (Mr. Wilbcr-
torce. motion for a Registration of Slaves), that this
question could get a proper hearing. but the Noble
Lod termed still to think that be could cart y tLe
[louse front job to job throughout the whole Cession
without internaission—(llear.)
. Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that he could
understand the anxiety of the Right lion. Gentleman
opposite to anticipate this discussion, from having
heard that the Right Hon. Gerstleinaa was on the
eve of recruiting himself horn his labours in that
House by a little travelling recreation abroad.—
(Hear, fro?: dae Oftitotitio Beraher.) But it was really
eXtrAoi6ii:ary that the objection to the COOSide:***iil
Of this questitna should be objected to on account of
the probable luilness of the House. Now DO business
stood for to-niorrow, and therefore a full attendance
WAS nut to be expected. There would be that atten-
dance on Wednesday, and why object to the lutther
consideration ut this measurs

Mr. TIERNEY rose in reply, and observed, that
if the Noble Lord thought he was getting rid of one
traveller, .he at least had secured another traveller.
(This deervation excited great bailiff, Mr. Canning
h:ming at the mom,: ! entered, and halm kis seat next Lora
(eutiereagk).—lSut he (Mr. Tierimy) be,:ged to as-
sure the Noble Lord, that he did not mean in his
travels to leave this business behind him—(l-fear, hear)
He really objected to the mode of carryieg this tne.r•
sure, not from the fullness of the House, but horn
the thin attendance to which it must be exposed, after
a long debate—(lfear, hear.)
Mr. WYNNE observed,- that 41 Orders of the
Day were set down for this niet, only five for to.
morrow, and two notices, not Likely to create discus-
sion. What fair reason could be given for fixing this
discussiorr upon .a day when much business would
necestrily be done, and when it could nor come on
until a late hour, and overlooking a day when little
would be dune 1--(thar, hear.)
Lord CASTLEREAGH saw no reason but that
to-morrow, being the anniversary of the battle ut
Waterloo, a full House could not be expected.
. Mr. TIERNEY—•• Could not the Noble Lord
have mentioned this before ? Was it the first time he
heard of the anniversary r. _ _ _

It was then understood that the third reading of
this Bill should have prucedeoce on IVednesday.
Mr. BROUGHAM iodinated, that the important
notice of his Honourable Friend WAS CUtilled to this
order.