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now awareethat there was frilegMlitlee .-.
'. .. ' polisioos , 011- the ffirtUtei bents
by the Fubliekbiktgis sires A 'peculiar
lice. acid he hot* the Houle . ;:,:. ,
..r
Lel .the proposed ,Mtetstitp, be •:3. ,
sum to-the- fatthfol *rye** ,11 -'•
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l'belioble Lord cone ..by moving " n grant _
£14,000 per annum e Censaltditid-Fund to to I.—
his Royal liighoess ke of Yoik." of the Roya..„
Lord A..-HAMIL said, 'it Would ,he in the rating the tweeases su .
recollection of
,the House, that, he had more than averting that.inqpiry,.whiCh to,
once asked when the Noble LordMetnt to* ptopose duty of Pails:welt. NoW, Mader . ern.-
that a provision should* be made for the Queen? He Amecei,
.this. did riot aPptar to: himlo 'be le pruk,_
had understood the Noble terd to stab, that when time for bririging that question -tinderditeiffsNift: I yen,..„,
he carne to propose that a Prevision shciuld he; elide. He, at least, 'must :appose that the Quien had not I -ri,•;--
for the rest of the Royal Famllp, that would be 'orised the Noblb Lord to brine ;* c- •
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time for 'lulling on the House to make a. Preitsion: she, in the late nego.4-0-
for the Queen. He apprehended, however, that it acid' -"
was not the intention of his Majesty's 'Ministers to
'submit any such Motion to the House in the course
of the present Session 6f Parliament. If in this be
were wrong; receiving intimation to that effect
he would immediately sit down. From the silence
of Ministers, he presumed that before the close of
the present Session (whenever it 'might be intended
to terminate it), it was not their intention to call on
the House to determine what should be the future
establishment of the Queen—(ifear, hear).--He was
'so far surprised at this conduct, that he was now 'ad
dressing the House without having previously had
'the Most distant idea that it would be his duty to
call their attention to this subject on the present oc,
casion. lie however thought it right to ask why:
the House and the Queen were placed in the situ,
ation in which they now stood ?-64Hear).—At pre-
sent, he apprehended that there existed no legal- pro.
vision for the Queen. whatever—.(Hear).—What
she at this time received she received illegally (ashe
apprehended) from the 'Government! He under-
stood that she had been told that she might continue
to receive the usual payment at the rate of f 3.5000
per annum—(Hear).—He wished to know by what
authority such grant was to be made, by whom it
was to be made good, and on whit principle the
Government had thought proper to take a course
that went to make any member of the Royal -r
Family their pensioner ?—(Heor, hear).—That to s'd
which he now called their attention had, in hisjudg- Mt
ment, nothing to do with the other question, which a l
was now the subject of inquiry. It Mattered not d I ten.%
bow small the sum of money granted in the vriy to cei LLIAI
which he alluded : if illegally-granted, as he thought ate inquire
it must be under the circumstances supposed, be ild caftint
considered the dignity of the Royal Family to be iris to ascet
compromised, and the duty of the Government ne- rev behind 1
sleeted, when a member of that Family was plated tlel eturned.
an the situation of a pensioner dependent upon Mi- ! ii fought sot
!titters. •He wished to know in what situation it e 2 roduction
'was intended that berMajeity should be placed at bit be wiildreli
the etid of the present Seisiou, !whenever it should trII LOA ofthe
arrive? - Circumstanced as her Majesty Was et this tli en brought c
time, it was intessary that her pecuniary sari be e Treasury.
ibMild bear great, or 'even larger than they liml eel en disposedsof,
hitherto been. •raise were subjected-to any Incenk '1 DMBY though
"agate in' this . ?espied, 'it would be confides* hi I died- intestate.
disgracciful toll* Government ; . and it would cart rar !held Jure Coro
'thinly 'be. sisist-u, to the hull+ e t House ought tt
'Wiwi-infra, liar).-.-AIT ilmses would ' its
dispose of any part
'irate iierelsot providid for in a Ammer " age Its and Mr. • Bsawall
1111tillEr‘ti. Guillarthm.euo..tieght"
'herbs:sated trek at *a thee like thee-:presentoebeer 41-'
lilt *at talled'uiind to defend heriilf against chat* I tl
of* the-inost sedans eater*. The-Pub liciibuld feel tot
that' it was - ' -II would mot say to limit ce Arable inql!ine?'
istrelliiviric!, ot to' deity her that which she ought lb 'H thought the
^to'h-ave avtatteen—f(Heer, bass).-alt wasnotTor him 7 ifthe haste w?
to say-what lie's- the House ought to take, bet U led
f pat lir -:
build tea:telly. belfeve -it possible that' they IVOOI4 tiff ! Vilidicr
ezeltide- one tnember of the House 0(' Brunswick till i ttEAG7
froncull participatiott in the provision Made for the fl,- abject f
aura -the -Royal Family, still *less did- he Suppose if theide
,
.that they would keep her Majesty' a pensioner on said he would not votribra• ant to the Queen tilt the C 0
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'the Ocareentnent,- because this Might happen to suit heertla eltigril)O Wes` - lhat-Nolite-Lotyi Mr. Ithan ir -
the views of Ministers—(Hear, kaar).—He did_not had said, -that he einite-ton the nietertimOurs'then 'upon to v--
wish to do anything to connect the business now in afloat. This:Wits not eiaitly the ease," for" he had hectefr'
progress with that subject which he had thus brought spoken wish reference to the omission of her name in 1"'
under the consideration or the Hoare. He was not the Liturgy. -He Was surprised at the course now
then prepared to submit a motion to the House, but pruksned-brthe lenblecLor+d withrespetttotheQueen.
in the ComMittee he might probably Wove thatalie Ile
.did-eipect,'thittvrhen'atipwri nteirieurvris pre-
Chairman should leave the 'chair, report, progreiet Pcilixr fee Stir rest tf Oe-7-Royaiffteifly, that some
and ilk leave to sit on' a future day, to give Minis. notice would betaken of her *jetty, though he did
tens time to correct the omission of which they had not say that this was..the time for makisg a perms-
been guilty, and afford them an oppottunity of re. neat provision. The-Queen war placed in air extra-
considering what he thought the absurdity of their ordinary situation. It was true, as the Noble Lard
conduct, and to -enable the House deliberately to had 'Mid, that no provision -could'he Made for her
resolve how far they would sanction it. but in consequence of .a comnieniation (Min the
Lord CASTLEREAGH was surprised at the Chown. No -Message, -however, bad - pet-mired.
speech which he had jast'leard from the Noble Was 'it yet to. ebb,* ?—{lt was 'answered, from the
Lord, for he thoUght, with whatever feelings of west '' inisterial side, that the iecotne lately enjoyed by
prise he might contemplate the course pursued by her Majesty would be contirmeda-0 Ihe was happy
Ministers, those of the' House would have' been to beartlutistme provision witsto-beiendeforter.
-grimiter, if, in the preient State of things with respect He_triegliarto learn; too, that *ay sum .pecessary to
to theilseen; they • had come down to 'move that a eliableltbarto pima.' for tier deeceiveuldSes sup-
mintier provision should be forthwith -made for leer pried. Ile did net • kiuiiv that such a course had
dijesty. The Noble Lord bid ohjectsd to the c hhettalcum Wm. ' lie rather thought the practice
.duct -of Ministers on. -three'?grenhill, ,
,He, first set of '.thelloiise hid been, tUniake good any expenses
._.. . .
forth the impropriety of etpo4lB4 bet t;it4esty in any laetrred ; butia-Whateverwif thereas-supplied•whh ........-__.-moennt-
cfitficulties of a pecuniary nature. ,0,. —. pOieue Amis.,' the 'healsi of Making her' deente "'to' she'ire sup., -Irmi all'"'"--
don ; nett, he argued that the, grants now made to plied with them, he 'boil& be perfectly satisfied.—
her were illegally made; and, in. the third plice, he He then briefly noticed-the-grants proposed infavour
consp_lained that he ,(Lord. Castlereagh) hnd given of the, other members of the Royal Family. The
the House to expect that he uoald propqrpthat a Duke of .Clatenve, he Mmaiked,' was 'placed -in' a
suitable provision. should be made for her Majetty worse sittaation than "any'Of his Appal relations, and
when he brought, forward the arrakrgements vihich be thought -it would be' well tacos . circumstances
be had now to recomareud to the House, with respect could' be mg& MOke easy. fie poitted out the dif-
to the rest .of the Royal Family, and this the Noble ferent sitaitibein 'whiela Prince Leopold-Was placed,.
'Lord seemed so: expect him to do, without reference' abut rem4ed; theainiable conduct elf that Illustrious
to any inquiries. that might *ow be in
.progress.-- Personage merited from the Nation al-that had beeu
With respect to the first point, he,had to state, that done for him. . -
every care possible had 'beep taken tcr.guard:against Sdid 'CASTLE-REACH itteated, irwas dwelt.'
,any personal inconvenience being sustained by her ject of tbe Crown to remove any pecuniary diffiCul.
, Majesty, from.the want of adequetepectunarymeans. tier that her Majesty might feel as to income, and to
A notice had beets given to the Queen (at least one afford her every facility for •makiag her defenCe.'
W2.s to be ,given to her when he left tow.nyesteraliy, Sith this view,' die Would beetiabled• to meet any
and he doubted not had,beeu given), that Ministers expenses that might arise. • He had ststed;that up to.:
were commanded. by the King, to enable her to meet the sth of July, a grant, under the authority of Pee:.
every expense that might be necessary to provide for fitment, would be in existence ; and after that period
her defence. It was not the wish of any oneind it it would be time enough to manifest any' Constitu-
:was kiss wished in the higheit quarter than je any ether, tional jeadqusy of Moisten. An application would'
IthatheiMajeuy should be subjected to any peviiiital be made to Parliament to provide for the objects of
'inconvenience, or denied anything that might.he re-, which be had Spoken; but this was not the tame for
qaisite to the vindication ofber character. ilkith re- mating.epermanent arrangement. .
speet to the illegality of the grants made to the Queen, Mr.-DENMAN 'begged to' say, on the iubject be.
the Noble Lord must kne*, that inApril last, a sum fore the House, that the Queen had not authorized
had' been granted to her Majesty index a vote of that anything of the 'sort to be-agitated in Parliament ;
I
Lord. A. HAM ILT6N ad-re-fled -to7a-i;o3oss of his wt-V--
House, iu continuation of that incomesilicla she had for she lad never doubted that the Hoists would af- which be tli:77w
ow,conespeeting the Excite Duties of Scott:, .
received Wore the tate demise rof the Crown. It ford her the means of vindicating her character, and I - The cuaNcELLnarolf as XXCHSQUER said, ,N.

attendant expense would be provided for
quartos: or other. One feeling, more than
of. expense, 'operated on the mind
the expenie, however, he 11711,1 3'e-
probably be very considerable. M hat,
feared more than expense was the inter-
_ign Powers. She had reason to be-
lieve that smile foreign Polies, Atutria ih partieti-
lar, had already contributed to that persecution of
which she had so much reason to complain.
LOI4 CAISTLEWEAGH said, no foreign Power
would, be invited-or :Mitred •on the :part of this Go-
affd he had to doubt thit foreign Go.
verysts*ots, from regard to•dientielves. in roint of
aiaracter, would ab..tain from °Tering to interfere on
such an occasion.—The Resolution was carried.
. • . . . LATIL n(13.11 TROPUTT.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT asked a question respect
Ing the late King's property, wishing to know if
had been, disposed of by will?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he was not prepared to answer the question.
Mr. TIERNEY thought the Right Honourable
Ihntleman must know whether his Lite Majesty left
•fiehincl him a will or not.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail
this -was a matter of which he was not bound to have

A would Arxi:v%
to Cill on the:Hoare uivrtivide for tte other biiirches
of the Royal•Fathily. He had not thought of sepa-
radrtg the two eases so long as any. hope remained of
averting that inqpiry,.whiCh now became the painful
duty Of Parliament. Now, noder existing circum-
laucei, .this.did riptle'pptar to: him to fbe the proper'
Woe for bringing tlat
He, at least, must suppose that the Queen had not
'orised the Noble Lord to bring it forward, ' as
she, in the late negotiations, had insisted on putting
aside all consideratiOtis:tif income, and would hear
()pilling on that subject, till questions, which the
thought of higher. iniportance, were disposed of, and
the Noble Lord had therefore no-cause for surprise
it its not being brought forward on this'occasion.' It
Was to be reirrembered, that this Was a subject which
.the House could not regularly enter upon, without
communication from the Crown, The Noble
travelled a little out of his way when he introduc
a topic, the initiatory of which ought to come frotit
his Majesty. It was a new mode of proceeding, ..for
oi)e of the-Representatives of the People .to be 'cla-
mouring for the disposal of the public money, to
make a provision for a Member of the Royal Family,
before any recommendation to that effect hid been
received from Ale Crown. But if the Noble'Lord
was disposed to look out for the earliest possible op-
portunity of Making a provision for the‘tneen, he
might have learnt from his Right Hon. Vriend near
him (Mr. Tierney), that this question Was one which
Might not to be entered upon, till it was underhood
nA what-sittigion. the tiliteen was hereafter to stand.:—
That Right TIOO. Gentleman had declared, that he
Would ribt.Con"'sent to vote a single farthing for her
Majesty, till her situation had been distinctly ascer-
tained. This the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated
in bar to any provisions that might be prematurely
proposed, and stated it on the mere rumours which
were Then afloat:-=rumours Which her Majesty's Ccinn-
sel had telt it Ms-duty fo treat with contempt. -Un-
der all thecinuisittances of the 41e, he trusted that.
the course which Ministers had thought it their duty
to pursue, Would be regarded as that which was most
suited to the occasion, .and most consonant to the
usages of Parliathent. When the future situation 6f
the Queen should be niceitained, that would be the
proper time to bring forward a proposition for making
a permanent provision for her Majesty. -
Lord A. HAMILTON complained bf unfainiets
on the pan of the Noble Lord, end reminded the
House that he had offered to sit down at the com-
mencement of his speech, if Ministers would state it
to be thilr intention to propose a provision for her at
any ?cried of the present Session. The Noble Lord'
said it would be timeenough- for his Constitutional
jealOttiy to break forth -after the 6th of 'July should
have arrived. The Noble' Lord seemed • to consider
that it "would hive made a great difference if he had
brought forward this 'abject' on the day after to-
alsorrow, instead'. Of bst that defiluilieNeble -Leed
Was right In sappodyphst her seas no play
atibjet-htifta!tr the 6tllk, ' bark stfig '
Oared_ ii4TWa littioeityLfry'tif' tatdtkict tat
cOulcraisiii4tl24; . "VOakile *We had .nit
- also;

any knowledge.
Mr. HUME believed a Will to have etisted. A
all events, he thought the House ought to know how
that private property had been disposed of, which
Commissioners had been appointed to manage.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ap-
preherided any personal property would devolve to
the present King.
After a few further remarks from Mr. TrlzaNtv
'and Mr. Bk*Xarr., the second ftesolution was carried.
On the next Resolution being moved,
Mr. th.IME wished to know if the Chancellor of
the Excheipser would have any objection to a Nittion
for Pipers, to shew the amount of private property
belonging to late Majesty that had been in Lila
Fends of the Commissioners?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Fait
lie thought such a Motion would be objectionable,
tad an inquiry into the private property indecent.
Mr. HUME said, if the late King had.died with-
out a Will, that which had been private might now
be public property.
.. Some further conversation followed, in which Mr.
Ditunosown. Mr. WILLIAMS' and Mr. To ERNEY spoke.
Mr. HUME then inquired whether Ministers would
object to a Motion calling on them to shew what
steps bad been taken to ascertain whetherhis late Ma-
jesty had left a will behind him or not?
No ansvrei was returned.
Mt. RARING thought some reason ought to be
given against the production of such information, if
it were intended to be wiaeld,
The CHANCELLOR ofthe EXCHEQUER said,
no prOperty had been brought under his cognizance
bhire
-any will art die Treasury. Whatever had licoa
• d of, had bien disposed Of elsewhere.
r. ABERCROMBY thought it appeared th:1:-
disilate Ring had- died- intestkte. His property. is
thitttese.wd bi held Jure Coro**, and under such
ciScumstaaces the House ought to know who bud
chimed to sell or dispose of any part of k.
Mr. WILLIAMS and Mr. • BiRNALL pressed for it-
formition op this iubjeet.
.- Lord C ASTLEREAGH thought it would be better
tolting forward a regular motion than to proceed
with these ipteratinable intrtiries,
Mr. W.*SMITH thought the inquiries justifiAle,
and complained of the haste with which the Chairman
seemed d . ... . o put the
Idr..-B ' 0. i a : ~ dilidicakid 'his chrtdoet.
Liiid CA L REACH thought it -would be bet-
ter do bring the subject forward on Wednesday next,
itu
than to. Mon diekeinversatitin -acrOssthe table, in
_ .
.tlie-00
__gs,
.Mr. lERNEVtltotight, **hen . they were called
; • to vote 454,000 annually for those who had
, ciehtim-rde.dtelate Ringithe questions which had
? put.ohglirnist tote regarded as eniatrating from
• .riein curiosity.
' , c seteral. grants-tcrthe different Meolbere of the
tiyallitsrnily-wete then voted. The• Houteretemed,
and the Report was Pideted to be treeivid.to-mcil-cm.
Mr. IHMEigave .notice, •ther -before the House
rose,.he would move for Accounts relative to the
Privy Purse of the late. King.
Lord-CASTLEREAGH indcl,tit vrartint thl prac•
tics of the House to cull-ow-Ministers to-answer such
questions on thelitstent.
' Mr. HUME. ibesented to *king- forwaitfliis mo-
tion•to-morrciiv.
• 'area's )I pitecitatisesnur— •

negational the ATPORtiIitic:6IMIRRAL,
err wotien into' a Vcitrinfittie orr thisVill.
rrwttap said,Atiat it was his intention
three additional clauses in thir.Bill. The

frai to eixablecJedget toy weetence
...ataidatteat Ilisi'Prshs, • of bitting
at up to the Court-ofalEiriesilench.
Upon the clime beingiust. .
The ATTORNEY GENERAL saki uhitAin,tib-
jection in 'infirm existed againsetheritbwe propeita
by. the. Hon. and Leaned -Member. When defend-
ants were brolight up mike-Court of Kina,'s. &rah,
.erhad a right to mold for.atew trial; for irwiir
of error, or in arrest' elf itsditMent. The effect of
the clause would be to' clepriire defendants of theft
advantages. "Whatever. itipinian" the:Mouse minx
entertain of the atipieliency aweireualtevation, if
introduted• to 'them. as a'spetific inestsore,lhere could
bend question as to the iniproptieti;of entertainrt.
it in the crude shape in which, the on. Gintlernsa
had*betiiiight it forward.
"Mr. CHETWYND observed, that in 'offences
hgainst.the Revenue, not a single hisrance of a new
WA had occurred in the last year.
Mr. 6:BANKER thought that the clause propcse4
by the .Hon. Member would be more properly mxie
/he subject of a specific ntealure.
' The ATTORNEY GENER ecplaised.
After a few words from Mr. Gainey, Mr: Ctirt-
trtnn,eirilthfr. W. Surrir, the claw*. was brought *4'
add negatived; and Mr...Conrwtitu withdre.;
'leer clay-

dunes.
Ths }Loose havin resathedtbo Report was ordcmi
to be received to-morrow.
virAviefr

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aullikinly. . . ~
..hiVelbeen quite enough .. , • . , . .... •.. that the attendat
beintrii!*- - 'of the Noble,fliord tilb - i •• ' . „...tbi ki:. . some quaru
peculiar in-. . of July, if he sipula then c . at jh ''IW .. consideration
;the justkii 'crinices were continued. Beltorti Castbffilightett4 of%er Majesty , 1
reasonable iain' Ty did contemplate that the regujii; cid*. !hi math, would pro
Majesty. .moving .that a proviliOn should be made .ffir the hoirever, she feat
a grant of Queen would ;trove when it should becomehislnty ference of foreig
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1111114,11111 C WWI L.IIIIC Pll9llsty, WEIR= sue nacierx-.
hided .the consideration -of money matters' in the
it late conferences; was content to hec.omethepensi— anti
OrMilifsters; Ingead'hf oivinta *able iworldtin to
n the liberality -briborliatiiing,-.. fie ,cOnsi&red the
el court* liorsued towards -her lifajtiti to be improper,:
a and wished the loble Loyd tailittll,l from `thole op.
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k post 4 •to Via, !Ceyery perton In this. cottntry;'
* lAtialtittillOWtO•birfoasiderectioilokent.
e Mr. TMINEY its true he had