Star.
London, England, 1829-02-24 00:00:00

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dith.u.ty, •ir.s hicii onbcoity Howie set OfeAtir I) Ic4J
to a war—they should reflect whether their opposition
to this meaiine. might not involve iffliotountry in war
and if so. due they call themselves the Ministers of
Curtiss? -.I thank your Lordships for the attention
with which you have heard me. I have of ly to sal,
that, from my heart and soul, I approve of the cows"'
his attesq's Ministers ate ',waning. To me it sulk
tient t at a dour is about to be opened which will lee in
prospet.ity and 'tranquillity to that dear, that richest
province of this countrY. • - • •
The Duke of.CGMBERLAND rose.. end observed,
that. after b once before expressed himself clear 1 ,
and, he hoped. decidedly, upon the Claims of the.Ca•
tholics, it-had not been hi intention to trouble their,
Lordships with any observations until the m-asure of
• the. Noble Duke was before the House. Painful as it
was to him at any time, vs differ from those with, when.
he bad been in the habit of concurring in political life.
it was still more. painful to him to be compelled to differ
from those with whom be was connected by the ties of
blood. He felt it, however, to be his imperious duty
to express his opinion-decidedly upon this subject, and
he hoped. therefo.e, that his Noble relation (the Duke
of Clarence) would not take it unkind in him. when he
endeavoured to give titterence to the astonishment he
felt when he heard factious motives imputed by that
Nobk Pets ot to those who wet e hostile to the Catholics,
and his still greater astonishment at the unfair enact
made noon him personally, and upon others, by the ap-
plication of the term" infamous' to their opposition:—
His conduct had been, he thought, always fair and
open, and honourable And candid, upon this question,
both in that House and t.ut of it. He trusted he should
always be fisted crnducting himself as' a Gentleman
and a Noqemsn ought to c'rnduct birn•elf ; and unless
the changes about, to take place proved very different
from what he anticipated, he was determined to con.
tinue that fair and candid opposition which be had
hOttetto eudeavoured to dirplay, whenever the question
of concession in the Catholics was brought before that
House. Feelin that he had always pursued that course,
he could not allow his conduct to be stigmatised by the
appellations either of factious or infamou
The Doke of SUSSEX said—l rise. my -Lords, to
endeaiour to put an end•to. a conversation which sp.
pears to me not altogether regular ; yet I must say that
oh' of my. It iyal Brothers has .interpreted the expres-
sion of another Royal Blather in a sense in which it
was not meant. If .the one Royal Brother will take the
observation of the other,to himself, that is hivbusiness.:
but I am sure nty Illisttious Brother did not so apply
it. My Lords, when a Message came bout the Throne
recommending the consideration of the Catholic Claims,
vi this andihe other House of Parliameot, but' at the
same time to look to the interests of the Bishops and
and Clergy of the E.tablished Church, it became cur
duty to consider those matters; and I will say, that
ilimewho hove said that this House and the other
House of Parliament h • yebeen taken by surprise, hive
used language shot is b;7th base and ialemous. -This is
the sense in which my.lllustsious Brother's observation
was usenet. lie did not mean to allude to any Noble
Lord, or to any individual, but to those wily who Stated
the trite question to be, whether a Papist or a.Ptotes.
mot Constoution should exist in England? My Lord'',
this is not the question $ and those who so tendet it ought
to he so characterised..
The Duke of CLARENCE said in explanation_My
Lords, I said the words unjust- ,and itifintuus when I
said the Govetment had been attacked. 1 sill sot re-
tract the words; bat I will say that I diJ not, that I
could not,Apply them to lay Royal &odor or to any
Noble 'Lord ; and I can only account for my Royal
Brother's taking them to himself, by remembering my
Royal brother has been so long abroad that he may have
forgotten the English freedom of debate. •
The Earl- of ELDON observed, that although this
debate was quite foreign Al ihe business of the evening,
he criuld not allow the opportunity to pass o'er, with.
nut taking some notice of what had fallen hem. the
Illustrious Dike (Defence), who bad first taken pars
in that debate.. In despite. of all the censure which
n iAlst be' cast upon him; no matter in what language
it was conveyed, he trustrd he should always be found
in his place as
.an independent Peer, taking that part
in the discussions of their Lordships which he con-
scientiously believed to be right. In the pursuance if
that cou se. he igain expressed his determination tot
oppose to the utmost of his power all concessions to
the Roman Catholics, because he fi.mly believed she
result of ,these concessions would be, to give this !mow
try a Pqpish Senate. It Was said, that the course
adopted by those who opposed these concessions ought
to he branded with the name of faction. If it be so,
then the principles under which •the Constitut on was
settled, in the year 1688, were those of faction; and if
a support of those principles now be faction, be must
still be feed us. If' such a factious spirit was to contign•
him to death, then he would be factious. It had been
said that thecountry was
.not taken by surprise in the
announcement of the intentions of his Majesty's _Go-
vernorent. That he took leave to deny. But whether
it was or net, it Accused a very extraordinary thing that
both those who wets opposed to concession and. those
who were in favour of it should Continue thesedi.cus-
sions upon measures of the nature of which they were
totally ignorant. •The plans of the Noble Doke bad
beeneulogised. to the highest extent. by one piny, and
condemned io no nteasured terms by the of er (be said
this for the-benefit of both parties; both those who -wet,
opposed to,,and those wise (*vented, concession). Tiey,
had praised* lad condemned every night ;• but yet they
had not heard one single portion of those plans by
which the Noble Duke proposed to effect his objects!
Whatever ariigfibe die result of those plans, or what-
ever Ray be their num, still be would contend that
the country and the Members of that House had been
taken by 'l4tptise in .the,,announcensent of the Noble
Dokea intentions. he hid lived too long in babos pf
political and iocial intimacy with the Noble Duke to
believe for sipsiskitotats th.t the Nubl Mike iuteraded
nay deceptios or ma; but he muss be allowed to•ob-
seree.-that the plibllshedlcottespondence cri:ti.e -Noble
Duke with.. De. Curtis, di' Catholic Prim ac col Iseland,
clearly.proved Ana ibe caantry was taksn by surprise,
gare,i ELloof could aoteasily understand its purport.
for thelloble.Duke would allow hint tiesay that,it was
nerthec Enoltsit. to.A Irish qtsite—(rt latid li). In our
tecommeaided the horsing of the question in oblivion.
audit next reasisoneoded that the: intetvel sltoold be
employed in considering e difficulties with which
the subj cr was sertooneesi. „Igor, be. (Lord Eldon)
would akr whether any; man living, who b'd ',mot
tbas-letter at the time it war peblisbed, could have pls•
bibq expected' thaz tiie Catholic goebtion would km ter
commended teithkenhsidmatiosi 41 Parliament in a
message- hoot tf e Throne on ttle.,sits of Febzuaty fol-
lowing ?—(Heat). liot, did not wish jo be. suadetatioodc
to say that there wits soy irepropriety.itt sods Lases-
sap einanating (roan the-Government,or.thst.it ought
slot to be attended to most rispectfolly by.tbat &lowa
But. be conceived tbal,-in •etWdisOce. in. that IggifoPqa
then Lordships ea& to enter upon the taisitiftatiou.
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