Star.
London, England, 1820-09-07 00:00:00

Cna-=amination of ihjoccki.

Theodore Alojocchi now made his re-appearance at
the Bar, and was examined by Mr. Baondnam.
Do you kn." one Jones Color Gavazzi?—l sever heard
deb amps othijas Casir

Do you know a person of the name of Pavan' 7--I Live
heard this name of Gavazzi ; there is one of that name, a jewel-
ler, at Milan. I never was in his shop, but I have seen him,

and he is a fat man.
A Pima here wished to ask the Interpreter, whether some
words had not fallen from the witness which he had omitted to
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interpret ? It struck his Lordship that the witness had said,
,that he had heard of such a person by name, though he could not
tell, of his own knowledge, that there was any such person.
The Interpreter answered, that be could not both translate
and listen at the same time; that the witness kept dropping
words to him while he was giving his answers.
' The LORD CHANCELLOR—lnterpreter, did the witness
say that he understood a person of the name of Gavazzi lived at
Milan, but thatle did not himself know whether it was true or
not.—(Uajocchi said a few words to the Interpreter).
The Interpreter.—llere he says that he had heard of one Ga-
vazzi, by name, but whether or not there really is such a per-
son he cannot tell.

Alc. BROUGHAM—The Gavazzi I speak of is a Gavazzi who
lived in Greville-street, Hatton-garden, last February. Do you
know any such person ?
The witness here paused a moment, and after putting his hand
to his head, in a recollecting attitude, exclaimed, with affected
liveliness, " Ah, Queato mi ricordo !" This Gavazzi told me he
was a relation of the Gavazzi of Milan, for when I came here
to London, I met this young man, and he told me he was a re-
lation of the other Gavazzi at Milan.

It is this Gavazzi, Sir, that I was asking you about, and not
the Gavazzi of Milan, who you just told us was the only one
you ever knew of ?—I only knew this young man the few days
I was in Londan.

Did not, Sir, you and this Gavazzi dine together, during last
winter, for eight or ten days together?—:Jot for eight or ten
days. I was not here ten days.

But did not you once or twice, or oftener, dine with him ?
What I remember is, that I dined twice with him, and we had
some rice.

Was not this a short time before the death of his late Majesty?
—He was already dead.
Was it not about that time ?—lt was after the death of the King.

Immediately after ?—I think, as far as I can recollect, that I
arrived here on the day that they told me the King was already
buried.

Did you not shew Gavazzi a letter which you told him you
had received from some person here?—l sheaved him a letter
which came from my wife.

lam not speaking, Sir, about that letter at all. lam asking
you as to another letter which you told Gavazzi you had re-
ceived from sonn.body here to carry abroad?

Witness.—To Italy ?
Interpreter.—No, abroad?
Witness.—l remember sheaving him a dispatch I had re-
ceived to carry out-from England abroad.
Was it noto dispatch you were to carry to Lord Stewart?—
It was !

Did you not also shew Gavazzi a number of Napoleons, which
you had received at the same time you got the letter?--Yes,
Napoleons, which I had received for my journey. I counted
them ever to him.

Now, bow many Napoleons did you so count?—l believe

there were 80.

Will you swear there were not 150?--(After some hesita-
tion)--I cannot swear the number I received ; but I received
80. I c:aa swear I received 130 Napoleons in gold.
Did you not tell Gavazzi that w'soever gave you this, gave
you more than you asked to pay your expenses?—l did not say
so ; because I had only told Gavazzi I had got money to make
my journey.

But will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that you
got more money than you asked for ?—I cannot swear, for I
asked nothing else than the expenses of my journey and voyage;
and se can't say so.
Then will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that what-
ever you asked for they gave you more than that ?—But I can-
not swear to have asked for more, nor can he swear that I asked
for more; and, as I swore to this before, I cannot swear a hun-
dred times over and over—if laugh).
Will you not swear that you said to Gavazzi that you got
more than you asked ?—I never said so.
Do you know one Joseph Visette ?—I do not know the name
of Finite.

Do you know one of the name of Visette ?—I do not recollect,
I mean a person who lives near Liquorpond-street ?—That
you may say, for I can't remember that I came here ill a sack
and I went away in a trunk ; and I do not know the English
language, and I cannot remember.
You said you knew nothing of Gavazzi, but you recollected
him well when I told you the street he lived in ?—I remember
it, because I knew the name of Gavazzi, not of the garden.

You must recollect Visette before I have done with you.—
Do you remember an Italian man who dined in the same place
where you and Gavazzi dined ?—There were many Italians
who came and dined and ate rice.

llid you not know the Italian who met you there and accom-
panied you frequently up and down London, to spew you the
way and explain things to you ?—That's true, because he served
nie as a guide.
Now what was his name ?—I never asked him the name by
which he went.

Do you not know that he was a
that he was a joiner or carpenter.
Do you recollect going with him, the day or the day after the
late King's funeral took place, to the west end of the town?--
Where to?

?—it was said

To the west end of the town ?—He carried me about, and
brought me here and there, and said this place was this, and that
Place was that; but I do not knew whether this place was this
and that place was that, and bow can I remember?
Did not you go somewhere with him, I care not where, either
on the day of the King's funeral, or the day after ?—I have been
with him at several places on the day the people went to see
the King.

On that day, when he told you the people were going to see
the King's funeral, do you not mean to say he told you on that
day that people were going to see the King's funeral?
A VELA immediately cried out, that the witness had not said
that the people were going to see the King's funeral.
Mr. BROUGHAM begged that such interruptions would not be
made while he was employed in the cross-examination of a. wit-
ness. One of the Judges had, he said, made an objection with
a load voice to his question. It was impossible for him to pur-
sue the course of cross-examination he commenced with, if such
interruptions were persisted in.
Lord EXMOUTH rose, with great warmth, and moved that
Counsel should withdraw.

Counsel were then ordered to withdraw.
Lord EXMOUTH said, that the Queen's Attorney-General
had Lxiird at him at the time that he complained of bring in-
terrupted. lie bad to assure their Lordships that he was not
the Noble Lord who bad made the objection. At the same
time, be must declare, that be did not think it decent in a Coon-
bel at that Bar to stare Noble Lords in the face, and insinuate
that they had done what. they bad not done.; Ile (Lord lEx-
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mouth) was not there, upon his honour and his oath, to be lec-
tured by any Counsel whatever.--(lfear, hear).
Thr Marquis of LA NSDOWN said, he had risen at the same
time with the Noble Lord, to move that Counsel should with-
draw, with the view of ascertaining whether the witness had
said, " the King," or " the King's funeral." Ile wished the
question to be put to the witness again.
Lord REDESD.ILE said, that several Peers had been jwe
lost the word] by the remarks of Counsel.
Counsel were then called.

Cross-nomination rammed.
..Did you mean to say it was on that day the young man told
you the people were going to see the King's funeral?—He told
me the people all went to see the funeral twenty-one miles, bt
whether that was true or not I do not know.

Now did you go with that young man to any particular place?
—I
remember to have called in some street on some Gentleman
I don't know, to carry a letter. His servant told me he was
not at home ; for he was gone out to see the burial of the Ling.
Was that a large house 2—l do not know whether it was
large or small; I went to the door, and was answered that he
was not at home, and I went away.
;• Did you go with the young man that day to any other house ?
—Yes, because I lad another letter, and even there I could not
find the master at home.

Do you mean that you called at a place with a letter, and
could not find the person at home?—Not on that day, on ano-
ther day, for on that day we went here and there.
Well, on that day, or another day, did you go anywhere to
look fur a person in a very large house ?—How am I to know
whether the house was large or small? I went to the door, ail
was told he was not at borne, and I went away.
Did you, on another occasion, go into a house where there was
a sentinel standing at the gate ?—Yes.
Did you, on any of these occasions, when accompanied by
your kviais-deplace, go into any house where there was a sol-
dier stationed at the door ?..-That was on the first day of my
arrival in Englind, when I brought some letters, and I w..s told
it was the house of the King.

Did you go niore than once to this house ?—Tes, I went back-
wards and forwards.
Do you remember going several times?--I do.
Did you go into the house and leave your kquois.dc-place at
the door 7--The first time, I left bim at the door.

Did you not leave him other times when you went to the
house ?—I did once.

1)0 you man to :ay at the other times the &quids-de-place
went in with you ?—Whether he came M or not, I do not know.
I left him at the door, and told him tv stay there,

Did you find him there when you came out of the holm ?
What I remember is, I found him waiting when I came out.
On one of these occasions did you come nut of that house
with a Getitlem2n whom you had found there?—Yes, I did.
Did you go from thence with that Gentleman to his Chant.
hers?—?Co, no.

Pit! you go with that Gentleman anywhere ?—I went with
that Gentleman nowhere !

Who was that Gentleman ?—What I remember, he was Mr,

Did you not go to Mr. Pow•eli's chambers in Lincoln's bin?
—With Mr. Powell I am not go.

Did you not make promise to Mr. Powell to go to his
chandlers at six o'cloci that evening?—l
Did you not go according to you; appointment did.
I understand you to say that you went several times to that
large house with your laguais-de-place F—Yes,
Do you remember on one of these occasions taking a note
from Mr. Powell's to that house?—l do.

Did you go into the house at that time, and leave your laquavt
de place at the door ?—l,believe I left him out of doors, but car.-
not say certainly.

Was not this great house Carlton House ?—I do not know. I
was told that it was the house of the King!
Were there any pillars in front of the house?—There was a
porter at the door.
But did you not see pillars before the house?—l have seen
some ancient Grecian columns, but I did not notice them.

When you bad passed the outer gate, was there not a court ?
Tbece was a courts

Had you ever any conversation with Mr. Powell about your
expenses, in presence of your lapais-deplace?—Questo fox vii
riconiu!

Did not Mr. Powell say to you, in the presence of the laquais-.
de-gace, that money was no object, and that you might have
more if you wanted ?—Xo, no.
Will you swear that swear he. never said so.
Will you swear that Mr. PoweU never said anything to the
same purpose before your laquais-de-eace P—Mr. Powell never
talked about this businebs.

Perhaps Mr. Powell never talked to you about this business
of the Queen ?
The Arroawrr-Oasram. objected to the question. What
passed between Mr. Powell and witness_could no be evidence.
The LORD CHANCELLOR suggested that the question
should be differently worded.

Mr. Ilitorcitam.--Do you mean to represent you never bad
any conversation with Mr. Powell CO the subject of the queen ?
—lkw ? What do you mean ? I do not Understand what
you say.
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'lle Interpreter said he could never make the witness under-
stand anything about the couvenation.
Has Mr. Powell never spoke to you on this subject?~bir.
Powell spoke to me on this.business at Milan, when I made my
deposition, but not since..

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Dia you ever see this letter before ?—[Here Mr. Brougham
shewed the witness a letter.)—l do not know ; I never knew
how to read or write.

Do you know a person of the name of Lotte—l am not ac-
quainted with any such name.
Were you ever at the Globe Tavern?• at the tavera where
you met Gavazzi and others at dinner?—Yes, but I do not
know the name of the place.

Do you know the name of the landlord of that house ?—lf I

saw him I might know him.

After your first examination in this House, have you ever seen

Mr. Powell, or his clerk ?—Yes.

Have you seen them frequently ?—Yes, I have seen him, 'Air.

Powell; sometimes he comes to the place where we are.

How long have you been with him at any of these times
have seen him come to us, and 1 merely paid my respects to •
him. I saw him the other day when he came for my certificate.
Mr. Banectuot here introduced a person of the name of Jo-
seph James Long, and the witness was asked if he knew him?
He answered that he did.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if Mr. Long was to br
a witness, it would be improper that he should remain in the
house.
Mr. Baounnsx said, that Mr. Long bLd but that moment
come in, and had heard no more of the proceedings than the
witness's answer as to the identity. Mr. Long left the House
immediately.
\Vas that person, Mr. Long, ever employed by you to write
a letter to Mrs. Blackwell?He has written two letters for me,
one to Mr. Hyatt, and another to Mrs. Blackwell.

r.:hould yon know tither of these letters if I were to sbcw
lw them ?—I do not know, because I told bin to *kite the letters,
and he wrote them, and said, here are the letters.

Did you not desire Mr. Long to write to Mrs. Blackwell to
the following effect?-1 told him to write in my name.
Did you not tell him to write to the following effect:—" I
have safely delivered your letter to your brother, and he was
quite well, and desired to be remembered to you kindly ?"—I
I have left the letter with your brother's wife; because
I tlid not see him.

Did you not desire Mr. Long to add, " I have got a situation,
~r .d am going this evening to Vienna?"—Yes, that I had got

a liAce.

Did you not desire him to give your kind regard to Mrs.
Eughes's son, whom you familiarly called your brother ?—No

an SIV,T.

flit'. you not call Mrs. Hughes's son your brothcr as a mark
of friendship ?—Yes, I did.
Di‘'. you not desire Mr. Long to say further in this letter.—
After I left you all, I could not eat, nor drink, nor sleep, so
Got> bless you all ?—(4lfstek laughing, in te:tich Majocchi joined).
—Nes, I desired him to say, as in play, that since we were to-
gether, I could not eat, nor drink, and so on.
Did you ever propose to marry Mrs. Blackwell?—(With
very humourous gesticulation)—l wanted to marry Mrs. Black-
w,% Mrs. Hughes, and every one that was in the house—(Great

;-/ighter).
Wore you ever in Paris in 1818 or 1819?—Never.

Woe you ever there in 1819?-1 never was in Pails at all.
;he witness gave his answer before the question was well put

to him.)
Mr. Bacouwax said, he had no more questions to ask the