Star.
London, England, 1803-12-03 00:00:00

STATE Or IRELAND.

Mr. Secretary Yorrat rote for the purpofc nf ob-
taining leave, in conformity to the notice which he
gave salt Wednefday, to bring in two Bills, the one
tnr continuing the Sufpenfion of the Habeas Corpus
At in that part of the United Kingdom called Ire.
land ; and the other for continuing the powers relied
in the Government, for the Suppreffion of Rebellion
in that Country. He addreffied the Houfe in a (port
but perfpicuous and impretlive fpeech, to the follow.
ing effect :-6. Sir, in bringing forward the prelent
motion for the continuance of the two Ads, to which
I have in a former inftance felt it my duty to allude,
I am re.tdy to confefs, that I entertain confiderable
regret in calling the attention of the Houfe to the
fubjea. I am as fully fenfible as any man can be,
that thefe meafures mull conduce to impair, in a very
material degree, the liberty of the fubjea, fecured
a, it is by the Conilitution, and that they mull, fhould
the exigency of the cafe require it, put a complete
itop to the ufual forms and proceedings obferved in
the Courts of Law with refped to the adminiliration
of juntice. But however deep my feelings may be
on this occafion, I have to attribute the caufe to the
peculiar misfortunes of the times which In imperi-
tinily call for extraordinary meafures. Thefe mif-
fortunes, it would be fupertluons in me to acquaint
the Houle, have been experienced by our ancellors;
and however largely they have, on pall occafions,
prelfed themfelves upon the attention of the Legifla-
ture, they have never been attended with fimilar ef-
leas, or with fimilar motives for exertion and pre-
caution, as in the aatial conjunanre of public affairs.
It is a melancholy remark for me to make, that in the
arlual crifis we are called upon to facrifice a part of
our property for the prefervation of the remainder,
that we are' required to flied fome of our blond, in
order to enable us to keep inviolate that which we
prize beyond all confederations—our excellent and
invaluable Conftitation. But permit me, Sir, to ob-
ferve, that in following this line of conduit, we do
no more than what our ancellors have done before
us ; and that the only difference between them and
us is, that they have been called upon lets frecoently
to facrifice both their property and blood, when the
happinefs and exigence of their country called for
fuch facrifices. The relative fituatinn in which we
and they !land, is extremely different ; and it is not
too much for me fay, that they were never threaten.
ed with invafion and deftrudion by fir powerful and
implacable an enemy as the one with whom we have
at this awful moment to contend. The boundlels
ambition, and the uneximpled arrogance of France,
force us to the involuntary adoption of extraordi-
nary meafures ; and however reluctant we may be in
reforting to them, we can find ample jollification in
that ambition and that arrogance. The Honk will
recoiled, that the Ads, the continuance of which I
with to have enforced, paffed the Legiflature at the
conclufion of the laft Sellion of Parliament, in confe-
quence of a communication from his Kielty that a
rebellion had broken nut in Dublin. It is not. 1 truft,
neceitary for me to date all the beneficial confe-
quences which resulted from them. They were
pallid with the general concOrrenco of the Mem-
bers of this Houle ;—they imparted a well founded
confidence in the wifdom and energy of Government
to his Majefty's loyal fubjeas of that part of the
United Kingdom;—and they enabled both the So-
vereign and the people to aft with vigour, and to
look with all the feelings of loyalty and patriotifm
to the happy and triumphant termination of their
ftruggles with infurredion and rebellion. The cir-
cumstances which attended the breaking out of the
infurreiftion in Ireland, were marked with peculiar
instances of atrocity. They have been fine deve-
loped by the evidence which appeared on the trials
of the principals and leaders of the confpirators ; and
it is, amid all the melancholy refledions which natu-
rally prefent theenfelves to the mind from fuch
dreadful events, no (mall fatisfadion to me, that they
were tried not by the extraordinary powers yelled in
the Executive Government of Ireland, by the Le-
gifirtive power, but by the ancient and ordinary pro-
ceedings of the Courts of Law. The documents re-
lative to thefe trials, are (fill before the licufe ;
and it would be fufficient for my ptrrpofe to refer
Gentlemen to the matters which tranfpired upon
thefe different events. Cut exclufively of the infor.
mation contained in theta trials, which is undoubt-
edly very important, I have to Ra.‘e, that Govern-
ment is in poffellion of other intelligence, from in.
dubitable authority, that notvritliftanding the de-
clarations of the chiefs and reputed leaders of rebel-
lion, a dole and intimate conneaion ftibfilled be.
tween the infurgents and the expatriated traitors in
France. It is not, Sir, and I unit the Houfe will
agree with nit, proper for me to difclofe the fources
of this intelligence ; but I will, bower( t, nbferve,
that notwithltanding the declaration of the ptinci-
pal confpirators, feveral of that ells were in the
aelual confidence of, and bound by the clofell con-
neCtion with, the French Government. Some cf
them came over from France haft fummer. in the
hopes of propagating difloyalty, and fpreading in
ever y quarter, by their intrigues and emissaries, the
fpirit of difcnntent and difaffedion. They relied,
in common with their fellow traitors at home, on
the aid and proteaion of France, to promote their
wild views and frantic Ichenses ;—and in all their
projefis they combined and calculated on the allif
[Ante of France to carry their machinations into
died. It alto appears from the information which
has reached Goveinnsent, that the great of of
the Government was, and (till is, the encourage
int.nt of infurreaion in Ireland. The details of the
unhappy and deplorable events which took place
on the 23d Poly, have been already fubmitted to
the confideration of the Houfe; and it would nei.
ther fuit my feelings, nor their deliberations, to
enter into a recapitulation of them at preltnt ; but
I Ilrell content m)felf with laying, that, taking the
maffacre which was perpetrated nn that horrible
occasion, and potting it together with other circum-
Ilances. there never was a more atrocious confpiracy,
a fyflem of iniurredion, with objets to accumplith
SU= Jcfresatc ati.l wild, and leaders of ;claim

more frantic and contemptible. With refpea to the
tranfatlions which have fince happened, I, have
merely to obferve, that the leaders have been puniffi-
ed according to the ufual forms of law ; forms .
which the partizans of confpiracy had themfelves
deltroycd in the dreadful affaffination of one of the
beR and molt venerable Magiflrates that ever adorn-
ed the feat of Mice in Ireland or any other coun-
try. The fate of that good man and worthy judge,
mutt ever be the fubjed of the deepeft regret with
every one who admires and willies for the upright
adminifiration of juffice ; and I hope my Right Ho-
nourable Friend near me (the Chancellor of the Er-
chequer) witat no dittant period, have it in com-
mand from his Majcßy, to lay before the Houfe, and
call the attention to, the flare of that Magiftrate's
family. It is now my duty to propofe to the Houfe
the continuance of thofe mealures which have been
found fo very (Amory in their effects ; and I have
to exprefs my earnest hopes, that they will experi•
ence no oppofirion, more particularly, when it is re-
colleded that they have nut been employed in any
inflance, with the exception of one folitary occafion,
when it was found necefisry to try, by martial law,
a perfon who had attempted to feduce from their
loyalty and duty, fume of his Majefty's forces. After
the terrible tempelts and Dorms which have been
vainly talcd to (hake and convulfe Ireland, and know-
ing, as we do, that it is the enemy's favourite ob-
jed, and the main policy of France, to divide and
feparate that part of the &kith Empire from this,
we are now called upon to arm the Executive Go-
vernment, if not with any new powers, at leap with
thole powers which have already conduced to its
fafety, and to the permanence of our united inter-
efts. That thin is the great aim of the French Go-
vernment, no man who confiders its threats and pre-
parations of invasion can fur a moment doubt. It
is no longer doubtful that France knows the is inade-
quate to contend with the whole force of the Britilh
Empire ; and the therefore endeavours, by every
poffibk art and intrigue, to divide our Rrength. By
thefe means the confeffes her inequality, and allows
that, tingle-handed, the cannot hope to cope with
us. But whatever her machinations may be, allow
me to fay, it is at molt heartfelt fource of fatisfarlion
to us all to be convinced, that the great mafs of our
population will unite with- zeal and cheerfulnefs
against the common enemy. Of thole unhappy and
miferable men who may Rill be affetled with fenti-
ments inimical to the Britifh Conftitution, I (hall,
Sir, trouble you with but very few words. I believe
there arc indeed few of that defperate dais remaining
in Great Britain. Thcre may be fume, I grant, and
in Ireland there are certainly more; but I contend
that they are by no means fo numerous as they have
been. But be they few or many, it thould be known
that this Houle is prepared and ready at all times to
truth rebellion wherever it breaks out, and to put it
down wherever it continues to lurk. I have to apo-
logize, Sir, for troubling the Houfe at any length
upon a fubjed which I conceive to very unobjedion.
able, and I beg leave to conclude with moving
for leave to bring in a Bill for continuing the Bill
for the Sufpenfion of the Habeas Corpus At in that
part of the United Kingdom called Ireland."
Colonel Hoectrrason rote and fpnke to the follow-
ing effed " With moll of the fentiments expreffed by
the Right Honourable Gentleman who has jug fat
down, 1 am happy to declare my cordial concurrence,
and Rill more happy to feel jollified in alluring the
Houfe that the conduit of the Government of Ire.
land fence the infurredlion of July loft meets my per
ten approbation. Their firrnnefs and humanity, their
activity and attention are, in my judgment, entitled
to the utmoft praife. They have in a great meafure
purfued that line of policy which the wife and jtift
would always recommend to be obferved towards
Ireland. They have endeavoured to cultivate the
good opinion of the people, which was precifely the
comic which, at the dole of the left feflion of Par-
liament, I exhorted them to follow—an exhortation,
by the bye, which teemed to have been much mit
conceived, and for offering which at that period I
became the fubjed of fevere and unmerited cenfures
from particular quarters. I remember, indeed, that
feveral paragraphs, I hope not from authority, were
infected in fume Irilh Papers, and alto in thofe of
this city, tending to decry the individual who upon
that occaliun attempted to call the attention of Par-
liament to the affairs of Ireland. I was quite uncon
fcious of having given any provocation to the parti-
fans of Adminiltration by the language I employed.
I meant not to offend any defcription of men in power.
Such was not my objedt, as it was, and is, matter of
indifference to me by whom the high offices of Go-
vernment are held, provided that Government be well
adminifter ed. In the mode of that Administration I
am,fo far as relates to Ireland, particularly interest-
ed, becaufe with that kingdom I am conneded by all
the ties that can be created by the natural love of
one's native country, firengthened by a refped fur
the talents, a regard for the virtues, and a warm fym-
pathy in the wishes of its inhabitants. Therefore I
mull deeply lament, though I admit the neceflity,
which calls for the meafure propofed by the Right
Honourable Gentleman. I am ready to give Kni-
tter, full credit for the veracity of the (tater:rents with
which the proporoion of tills mealure has been pre-
faced, and truft I firall nnt, in the few obfet vations I
am about to make, fubjed myfelf to the imputation
of willing improperly to obtrude the dilcuffion of the
Rate of Ireland. Of mifieprefentation alone do I feel
the least fear; upon a very late occafon I had inop-
portunity of adverting to the fituation of my unfor-
tunate country. I mean when the motion was under
consideration for an Addrefs to his Majcßy, but I
abllained from any allot-ion whatever to that fubjed,
becaufe I ss jibed not todifturb the rinanimity or damp
the zeal wh:ch prevailed in the Ulnae, and liecaule
I felt that at (itch a period, whet attaelsd by the molt
inveterate enemy and the molt ambesons Govern-
. merit which this country ever had to encounter, no
man of loyalty or common fenfe fhould hefitatc to de-
dare his refolotion, unhurthened by conditions and
unalloyed by expreflims of diliontent, to fupport his
Majesty in the profecution of a war in whirr., in my
opinion, the empire is steediarily engaged. I was
fincerely glad to /icor from my S.,reteign on the day
I have rciarred tn, that rebellion was put chiwn in
Ireland kand moll cordially joined in the hope ea
;sidled that my deluded country men I,d returned
to their allegiarice ; but I cannot help olocrving, that
that hope was coupled with tome remark., of which
I highly difapprowe ; that it was grollatiA upon a
molt illegitimate companion, which man cyclic the
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his country or values its charader, and it mull pro.
yoke the indignation of every What, I
would afk, can the Mini(ler mean by comparing the
Rate of Ireland to that of thole unhappy countries
which are fubje& to the dominion of Bonaparte
Does he mean that becaufe the fituation of Ireland is
preferable to that of Holland, Switzerland,and Italy,
that therefore it is happy; that becaufe it is lefs
lefs petfecuted, lefs wretched, the People of
Ireland ought to be completely reconciled to the
conduit ofthe Britilh Government and strongly at.
tached to the bleflings of the Britilh Conflittition ? Is
it poflible•that it can be ferioully dcfigned, from a
confideration of the difference in.degiees of human
miter), which are alluded to in hi% Majelly's fpeech,
to decline entering into the inveßigation of the af-
fairs of Ireland with a view to devife Coyne plan foe
their improvement, to contrive a radical change of
the fyftem fo long obferved towards that unhappy
country ? If fuch be the purport of this infinuation,
it cannot be too Rrnngly condemned. It is fnme-
thing new in the hißory of this country to denies
an argument againli any projeft for ameliorating the
condition of its people from a comparifon with the
Rate of other nations, and particularly with fuch as
may be fultjeft to arbitrary Government. Such an
idea is not to be endured. Would the Irifh people in
1782, when demanding in the bold tone of freedom
and the irreliltible language of reafon the eflablilh-
ment of their tights, tamely lillen to any objection to
their claims, drawn from a reference to the compa.
rative depreffion and poverty of their fituation but a
few days before? Would net the Barons of this coon-,
try, who, in the 13111 century, fo nobly contended
for that charter which forms the balls of Britith
li-
berty, have indignantly fpurned at the man who
Ihould have recommended to them to withdraw their
pretenlions and abandon their rights, becaufe they
would even then be better off than perfons of the
fame ads in France, and under feveral of the other
Governments of Europe ? It is impoffible that fuch
an argument would have been lißened to by any of
thofe illuftrious perfans who have fttuggled to im-
prove the condition, to eftablifli the freedom of Eng-
land. Let it not then be reforte:l to as a reafon
againli confidering the bell means of reaming tran-
quillity by communicating fomething like happinefs
and profperity to Ireland. If fuch be the meaning
of the fuggellion I allude to in his Majefty's fpeech.
I cannot hefitate to fay that it mud have originated
from extreme weaknefs or extreme wickednefs. In
giving my fupport to the nreafure before the Houle,
I contefs that my difpolitiolito do fo is confiderably
damped by obferving that Minifters manifeft no in-
clination whatever to cake thofe Reps which c;n alone
prevent the recurrence of that calamity againft which
this Bill is intended to guard, namely, by fitting the
Rate of Ireland to the bottom, by deliberating upon
it week after week, felEon after farm, Until a proper
fyftem be fixed upon and arranged for the well-go.
vernment of the bills people; fuch a fyftem as &all
be found to fuit their willies, and promote their in.
terefts. Unlefs Miniders (hall &riot* let about this
necelfary and glorious undertaking, they will not, I
' contend, have done their duty to their country, be-
caufe they will not have enabled their Sovereign to
avail himfelf of the united energies of his people in s
conteft which involves the fectinty of all their dare&
rights. Ido call the Rizlit H Gentleman on the
Treafury Bench that he cannot confidently reckon on
the warm and effectual fupport of the empire in this
great ftruggle, unlels he be tuft to the people. It has
indeed been laid by a high authority, that the cry of
grievances ought not now to be railed, and that it
would be extremely improper to prefs the difeurron
of Irifh claims under the prefent circumftances. If
it is meant by this obfervation that the confiderstioe
of theft claims Ihould be pottponed till after the con.
clufion of the war, I affert that fuch an idea is an in-
fult to the magnanimity and good fenfe of Parlia.
ment. What ! !hall it be faid, that at a time when
all the Ilrength which the empire is capable of afford-
ing may be neceffary, that one important part, which
is known to be difeafed, (hall go on without any re-
medy, much lefs an emollient, until it may become
rotten, and irrecoverably 101 l ? But with refped to
this cant about the time and circumstances proper
for a full enquiry into the Rate of Ireland, I Ihould
be glad to know when fuch circumftances are likely
to aide in the eflimation of Minißers, for from their
conduit heretofore it feems import-161e to calculate ?
They have been Minifters during peace and during
war, during rebellion and after rebellion has been
put down. They have, in fad, been nearly three
years in power, and have gone through every variety
of change and circumitance, and yet to them the
time for confidering the means of improving the con-
dition of Ireland has never yet come, nor, indeed, is
it likely to come; and of murk under their aufpices
the beneficial confeqnences promifed by the advocates
of the union cannot be looked for by Ireland, el-
though a very high authority, who fupported that
meafure, Rated at the time it was under dikuftion,
that it could nut be toe fools accomplillied, in order
that all the grievances tibial a ; ided the country
might be impartially examined and radically remov-
ed. Such a removal, I would have the Houfe to
underhand, cannot be effefled by one, two, or three
meafures, but by a great and comprelienlice fyftem,
the result of a fair and full view of the whole fubjell,
adapted to the wants and calculated to have a per-
manent operation on the interefts of the country. I
feel deeply impreffed by the liberal indulgence 1
have always, as well as upon the prefent occalion,
experienced from this Houle. As I have been but a
(hot t time a Member of the Imperial Parliament, and
am but little acquainted with European ,palitics, I do
not take the liberty of declaring any opinion upon
fiihjeds which require filch general knowledge, bat
whenever any allulion is made to the affairs of Ire-
land in this Houle, I cannot perfuade myfelf to fit
!item ; and from the fentinient delivered by a truly
great and jultly telp<ded charader (Mr. Fox), on
the lira day of the lotion, I feel happy that I have
',canna to hope for a full confiderati.m of this fubje&
at a very early period; and let me he permitted alfo
to hope, that the refult of fuch confideration will be
jutlice to much injured Ireland, and relief to its un-
fortunate inhabitants." _ _ _

f:encral Lorrus rofe to give hie atoll petfea fop-
pi-rt to the meafures intended to he brought forward
by the Right Hon. Seereiaiy. They were certainly
Rrong mcafurea, but they were the only ones that
would site fecurity :o th loyal inhabitants of Ire-
land. He. Arith tvtai I. station to the
early part of the fpeech of the Hon. Gentleman who
had jilt Lit down, becaLife he knew kb:re was one

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part n 4 .Ireland in which the opinion of that Hon.
Gentleman would have confiderable weight. As to
the queftion to which the Hon. Gentleman had al-
luded afterwards, he thought that a time of war was
not the proper period for the ditcullion of it, or of
any queftion tending to interfere with the conttitu-
\ tipn. He had felt it his duty to fay thus much, and
concluded by giving his cordial fupport to the motion.
Mr. HAWTHOLN fupporttd the motion; becaufe,
from the obfervations which he had an opportunity
of making during the fummer, he was convinced the
matures propofed were neceffary for the fecurity of
the country. It was of confiderable confequence to
give firength to his Majefty's Government In Ireland,
to enable them to meet and put down the efforts of
treafott.ant' rebellion with vigour and effed. His
Malady, ris gracious Speech from the Throne, had
acquainted thelioute that the principal aftors in the
late attociotis infurreftion had been brought to judice,
and that the delnded multitude were returning to a
eafe of their' duty ; it was, therefore, effential to
give loch powers to Lis government in that country
ts would enable them to maintain the tranquillity Co
redored. Befides the manner in which the
Irifla Government had ufed the extraordinary powers
riven in the lad.Seilion, was the belt fecurity that the
fame pawcrs &mild not be abufed in the prefent
-fiance. N Gentleman he was lure, would objea
,tc .he motion of tit.: Right Hon. Secretary, if he
tailed to tvind tic manner in which the tebellion
was cow:need to its breaking out, the eircumdances
of atrocity with which it was then carried on, the
fanner in r•hich it was put down, and the effeft that
Ow, Ire bora of it had on the public mind The
0461444011148 iridi Government had been cbaradter-
Wed by bearAnity and Mil/nets. Its great °Ned had
tem to pal. aver the circumftarrees of former infur.
reaidnatard attend the benefit of the ordinary coorte
of justice to the guilty, and that too at a time when
trailers hats reentnod from France, for the purpole
of exciting 'rebellion in the country. He was, thert-
fuze, of tho.opision, that the propofed meafures were
iteielfaryftw maintaining the public tranquillity. As
'44.. the other topic which had been adverted to on the
deft (AO tithe fetfion, as well as on the prefent occa-
VIM, Ittihad-ever entertained but one, and only one
opiniaitt, and that was, that fomething lhould be
el:hat be did not confider this the proper time
erering iato the queftion.
Lord Tenets meant certainly to give his fupport
an As motion, as Cie preamble of the bill which was
pr poled to be revived dated, that it was neceffary,
so - contain/Lice if rebellion in Ireland ; and he
gave his Majt y'a Mini der' credit for being convinced
of that neceffity ; he was ready to fupport it, under
that impo. with his vote. With refpea to a
declaration'ai.:ll had been made by an Hon. Gen-
tleman (Ge• . "..orr us ) that a time of war was not
the procar p )t1 for dirculfing a queltion interfering
with the C• • mint), he begged that Hon. Gentle.
man. and the Houle, to muffle/4 that the great
meerlinti of tit: Union had been difcuffed and carried
isto etFat p<nding a war.
Lord Aircw [zero Ilasticron could not help feel-
ing fume furprife that any doubt could exill as to the
propriety of the time for improving the condition of
fo important a member of the empire. He meant,
however, to make only a few obfervations on the hub-
jell of the motion. To afcertain the fitnation of that
part of the empire it was fcarcely meta:try to advert
to the &tuition of its capital, in which every inhabi-
tant was obliged to place a lid of all the inmates of
his houfe on his door.—ln loch circumltances there
Could fcarcely a doubt &ft of the propriety of mak-
ing tome efforts to eliablifh the tranquillity of the
country upon some folid and permanent grounds. It
bad been Paid that this was not the proper time; but
the Noble Lord would alk, what would be a better
time P—Were we now going on well, or was the
country well ? This was a crifis when the exertions
of every individual in the empire were neceffary, for
the defence and fecurity of the empire. He contended
it was the molt proper time to refoet to meafures
that would have the aid of removing every fource
of complaint, and of uoiting every arm in the com-
mon caufe. His Lordftrip wished to be informed,
whether his Majeßy's Minifters had any specific plan
in contemplation for that purpofe ? There teemed to
be but one fentiment in the Houle with rellsee to the
neceffity of uniting heart and hand in the pretest ar.
duous cr fis. He, therefore, again called upon his
Majelly's Miniders to declare, whether they meant
to bring forward any meafure but thofe which had
hitherto been purfued in that country ? From every
thin that had come to his knowledge on that fubjett,
through perfons from local information acquainted
with it, he thought a different fyltem indifpenfible,
and he thought it the duty of his Majelly's Minifters
to adopt it. If, however, they should think proper
to abandon the interefis of that part of the United
Kingdom' he was of opinion that, in fuch a cafe, it
would be perfealy competent to any individual in
the Houfe to bring the queßion before Parliament.
Mr. fluairouoits was ready to give his aftent to
the motion for the farther continuance of the futpen-
fion of the Habeas Corpus Aft, but seabed that the
ditcoifion of the propoied re.enatitment of the Martial
Law Bill ()mold be poßponed till another period of
the teflon, until a greater number of !rifts Members
Should be *trembled. He Rated his difference of opi;
aims with thole who condemn the fyttem which the
prefent C;overntitent of Ireland purfued. Although
he could mod Rrongly censure the fevere proceedings
of a former administration of that country, he woe 1.1
not admit the 'Anion, that the conduft of the pre.
fent Government was not well calculated to conci.
hate the people. Confidently then with that objeft,
he would recommend not to urge the adoption of
Martial Law fo fuddenly, particularly as it did not
appear receffally, for during the time it had already
trifled, it had only in one inflance been aged upon,
according to the Ratement of the Right Hon. Mover.
He would therefore advife Minißers to put off this
queftion, and that this impreffion be made upon the
'hinds of the people of Ireland, that Parliament and
Government will always avoid herds meafures, unlefs
when they are irrefißibly compelled by the occeffity
of eircumßances to retort to them.
Lord Carr cs &Leo a role to offer a few obfervations
hi reply to the lea speaker. He was happy to find
that the Hon. Gentleman had nothing to urge ageing
the character of that, who were to be invetled with
Pie difcretionary power panted by the Bill for con-
finoing the steed Martiallow in Ireland, under fuch
circumflances as might be judged expedient. The
Hon. Gentleman had, however, contended that inch
a Lill had neva bus paled, eseept what Ikon

proofs of its steaky were produced. For his own
part he would venture to affert, and he would defy
any gentleman to difprove his obfervation, that no
meafure had fo materially conti ibuted to prevent the
mifchief originating from the rebellion from extend•
ing itfelf, as the very meafure which was now made
the ground of objedinn. A great body of loyalty
had exalted in Ireland during the period that one of
the moll extenfive and molt malignant rebellions
raged in that country which it was ever the fate of a
Government to encounter. By the exertions of this
affemblage of loyal fubjeds, tha rebellion had been
fimpreffed, and the conflitution had been laved from
deltrudion. He mull, however, be permitted to fay,
that it was not till the meafure in quellion had been
adopted that the loyal part of the community were
able to feel and to employ their flrength. It was
not till Government was armed with the extraor-
dinary powers with which the meafure veiled
them, that rebellion was attacked in its prong holds
and effedually fubdued. Thefe were the effeds
of the meafure in putting an end to the rebellion
of 1798, and the continuance of the meafure at
different periods fence that rebellion, had operated
confequences no lets beneficial. The late mad
attempt at rebellion, (hewed how much improved
the hate of the country was, and he had no difficulty
in eferibing to the operation of the meafure to which
the Honourable Member had objeled, that vall aug-
mentation of loyalty which had been obtained dur-
ing the interval which had taken place betwixt the
rebellion of 1798 and the late attempt of a handful
of deluded and delperate individuals. The experi-
ence of pall confequences was the ftrongeft induce-
ment to renew the meafure at the prefent moment.
The rife that had been made of the meafure, was a
wife reafon for again reforting to it. Though the
Government rag veiled with extraordinary powers,
there was no reafon to be apprehenfive that they
would be wantonly employed. The circumflance of
Government being veiled with thefe powers, was the
means of enabling them to refort only to the civil tri-
bunals of the country. The civil tribunals, notwith-
(landing the exillence of thele powers, had been ap
pealed to, and the refult had been equally honourable
to the laws and to the individuals to whom the extra-
ordinary powers were delegated. This ought, in his
opinion, to operate as an additional inducement to
grant extraordinary powers, when it was afcertained
that they were not in any inflance abufed, when dif
cretioa was employed, not in fufpenclinp, but in en-
couraging the operation of ordinary tribunals of jut
tice. The great principle which a wife Legillature
wilbed to all upon, was a principle of precaution. Its
objet was to prevent and not to pundit crimes after
they were perpetrated. It might be argued, that there
was at prefent nothing in the fituation of Ireland to jut.
tify a meafitre which went to the fufpenlion of the or-
dinary
privileges of the conflitittion. The recent at-
tempt
at rebellion had not furely efcaped the notice of
Gentlemen, and it could not in fairnefs be pretended
that tranquillity could be fo loon reltored as to fupei-
fede the necellity of a meafure, the beneficial effeds of
which had been fo fignally experienced. By the time-
ly interference of the legiflature, a great deal of de-
tailed mifery which had formerly afilided the loyal
part of the community, had been avoided. For every
' man who was acquainted with the fituation of Ire-
land knew that Inch fcenes of detailed mifery could
not have been prevented, lintel's Government had
been armed with the powers adequate to the nature
of the eircumltance► in which the country was placed.
—On. the principle that it was wife on the felt ap-
pearance of the Lite rebellion to arm Government
with thefe powers, he would contend that it was
equally wife at the prefent moment. It would not be
denied, that among thole deluded individuals who
conftituted the remains of the rebellion, every effort
would be made to interrupt the continuance of tran-
quillity, more particularly when they were encou-
raged by the eaperlation of deriving foreign aid from
the enemy bolding out threats of immediate invalion.
It was therefore to thefe individuals themfelves, an
all mud feverity but of mercy, to continue the ope-
ration of the meafure in queflion. It was tseceffitry
by veiling Government with thefe extraordinary
powers, to convince them that perfeverance in their
treafonable defsgns was hopelefs, before they could
be induced to return to the habits of peaceable alle-
giance. When they found that they could not take
a fingle llep without being watched—when they raw
that their purfuits could be blailed in a moment—
when they perceived that Government poffeffed the
means of intlant and fignal punithment, it might be
reafonably fuppoled that they would be induced to
abandon purfuits evidently leading to inevitable ruin.
It was barely an all of jullice to make them take up
fuch a view of their condo& and fituation. The idea
of rebellion ought to be banilbed from theii thoughts
by fhewing them that it was a projeft altogether
imprafticable. On every contideration of experience,
of policy, of jullice, and of mercy, he was decided-
ly fur retnafting the Bill. He trolled that the Ho-
nourable Gentleman would not be inclined to perlill
in his oppufition, or contend that at lealt the re-
enaltment of the Bill ought to be deferred. Nothing
appeared to him fu likely to encourage the loyal part
of the community, which had fuch powerfal claims
to fupport. Nothing mild fo effeftually difcourage
the deigns or exiingoilh the hopes of the difaffefted.
It was neceffary to let the difaiefted fee that the Go-
vernment poreffed the confidence of the Legiflature,
and that they would receive whatever fupport the exi-
geodes of affairs required. To refute to jowl* Go-
vernment with powers which there was no danger' of
king in any intlance employed with harfisnefs, would
elate the fpirits of the deluded vidioss of rebellion,
while it would paralyfe the exertions and augment
the fears of thole firm and patriotic friends of the
contlitution, whom it was the duty of Parliament to
fupport by every poillble extenflun of liberal provi-
lion. The Right Honourable Gentleman concluded
by giving his decided fupport to the motion.
Nu further debate took place en the motion for
leave to bring in the Bill for continuing the Sufpen-
lion of the Habeas Corpus AB. The leave was ranted.
Mr. Secretary You.. before the Houfe adjourned.
brought in :be Bill. It was read a firft time, and
ordered to be read a fecond time on Monday.
' Mr. Secretary You. next moved for leave to
bring in a Bill for continuing Martial Law in Ireland
for a time to be limited.

The motion being pat from the Chair,
Mr...iluattoutaits immediately rose to exprefs his
reasons for oppofing the motion. He begged it to be
nodes-flood a* he did not found his objeftioos to it
frost any wain of confidant io dads who was to ex.

crcife the powers to be granted by the Bill. •On the
contrary, he had the moll entire confidence that thefe
powers would in no initance be abided, either by the
Government of I: eland, or the Go-ernment of this
Country. His objection was founded on condi.
tinional grounds. lie was conviaced that it mull
he a principle with every man who loved the con-
Ilitution, never to give his alfent to a Bill conferring
fuch extraordinary powers, without the molt urgent
and imperious necetUty. Aaing on this principle, he
could nut, on the ground of confidence in Govern-
ment, con(cnt to violate the conttitution, unlefs the
necciTity of loch a violation was clearly effablifhed.
Whets this Bill was formerly paired, a rebellion ac-
tually raged in Ireland, and ample documents to
prove its neceffity were laid on the table of the Houle.
At prefent no fiat of evideti-e to prove its neeeflil
was brought forward. Had any parliamentary evi•
dence been adduced ? Were any fads Rated to thew
that the re-enadment of the Bill was effemial to the
maintenance of tranquillity in Ireland ? Had the
Houfe obtained even the bare refponfibility of a Mi-
nifier on the fubjed ? Nnt one of thele grounds of the
neceffity of the meafure had been brought brine the
Houle. Indepen.lent of all information, Members
were called on io give their affent to a meafure which
confeffedly violated the free principles of the Briti(h
Conaitution. When any defcription of fubjeds were
to be deprived of a conititutional privilege, it was
neceffary to proceed with coolnefs and deliberation.
Even while rebellion raged in Ireland he bad not
heard of reforting to martial law, and fufpending all
appeal to the civil tribunals, without a coafiderable
portion of anxiety and alarm. But what, he delved
the Hook to confider, were the Ipecifie grounds on
which the introcludion of martial law was defended ?
It was on this principle, that jurors were orer.awed
in the difcharge of their duty, and that witnelfes
could not come forward to give their teltimony with-
out great perlional danger. It was becaufe the ordi-
nal y tribunals of jottice were necelfarily [hut up, from
the caufes which he had now Rated, that it became
neceffary to have recourfe to military decifions. tithe
fame circumftances now exilled, he thould, however
reludatit to violate the Confiitution, give his akin
to the motion. No fuch circumttances did, however,
exist at this period. Jurors could difcharge their ditty
with the ottmoft fafcty. Witneffes could come for-
ward to give their rellimony without any appiehen
lion of danger. Perfons guilty of rebellion had been
arraigned before the ordinary tribunals of jultice, had
been convided on the clearelt evidence, and had
Coffered the Sentence of the law, lo the grounds on
which Martial Law was formerly reforted to did not
it was not lamely aling too much to require
fome new grounds for re.enading a Bill vetting the
Executive Government with extraordinary and un-
conllitutional powers. It certainly was not too much
to a& that, if new grounds did exill they (honk! be
Rated. To affent to a Bill of this kind without any
grounds was wbat he never could, under any cir-
eumflances do, actin g as a Reprefentative in
mcnt. If the Right Hon. Secretary of State was
determined to perfift in prefling the Bill, it was at
leaft fair that he Should not precipitate ifs prop-eft
through the Houfe. It would be fair to allow thole
Gentlemen who were more particularly connected
with Ireland an opportunity of offering their fend-
ments on the fubjed. The number of Irifh Members
now in their place was very inconfiderable, and they
had a right to be confulted before the conflitutional
privileges of their Conaituents were furpended or
violated. He had thought it his duty to throw out
thefe few obfervations to the Houk. Before he fat
down, he begged leave to repeat, he did not oppofe
the re.enadment of the Bill from any want of confi•
dence in the mode in which it would be applied by
Minifters. He had no doubt that their application
of the powers with which it veiled them would be
mild and merciful. His objections were, however,
founded in reined for the Connitution and the cha-
rs/ter of the Government, and Should not induce him
to vote for a Bill, of the neceffity for which not the
flighteß evidence had been adduced.
Mr. CORRY role to make a few obfervations in re-
ply. The Hon. Gentleman had Paid, that in all for-
mer cafes of the palling of the Martial Law Bill re-
bellion &dually raged, or tranquillity was very feri-
°idly diaurbed. He begged leave to fet the Hon.
Member right on that head. In the year 18ot, this
very bill had been not only once but twice renewed
in the courfe of the fame Section, though at that time
no rebellion or appearance of rebellion exitted from
one part of Ireland to another. The Hon. Gentle.
man feemed to be unacquainted with the hiflory of
the rebellion. He did not appear to be aware that
the machinations of the difaffetted were at their ori-
gin carefully veiled in darknefs ; that their views
were gradually diffeminated over the country; that
it was not till their party was fully organized that
they broke net into ads of open rebellion. The
wifdom of Parliarnenthad been exerted in a number
of ads to dikover and to diftoncert their views.—
Every effott had been employed to trace out the dif-
ferent relations and bearings of the confpiracy. Thefe
efforts bad, however, failed of fuccefs. Never till
the all insp.:Rion was paled were the defigns of re.
hellion fully afcertaioed. Never till Government
was armed with thefe extraordinary powers was any
thing like tranquillity or confidence reflored. Though
individuals continued to (offer, though ads of km-
-1 ration and violence were not *lin:ether deStroyed,
yet the Conilitution was fiord, and the Sinews of the
rebellion were annihilated. This deft he afcribed,
more than to an other caufe, to the repeated re.eaaa.
ments of this Bill in the courfe of the years iBo2
and 1803. The Hon. Gentleman, however, did not
fee the neceffity of re-enacting the Bill at the prefent
period. Ile had Paid, that the grounds of its re en-
aliment formerly was the intimidation of Jurors and
witneffes in the performance of their duty, but at this
moment Jurors were unmolefled ; witneffis could
give their tellimony without any dread of the mice-
quences all the ordinary forms of law and Office
were obferved. He would not pretend to deny that
this defcription of the Rate of the country was COI,
red, bar he would maintain that the prefent tran-
quillity of the country was the tied of the very bill
to which the Hon Member fo Strongly obieeled.—
It was not unknown to the Hon. Member and the
Houk, that till the Bill was paged, the fylieso of
intimidation was univetfally prevalent, and the courts
of common law were as a matter of neceffity that,
sot againft rebels alone. but spina the loyal
_girt of
the community. who were making every Until= is
fopport of the Coottitution and the seining Gamm-
ons. It was sot till the rebels found that they weld.

not profecnte their &hems with any hopes of tamers,
that• the lirong powers yelled in the Government ren-
dered their detediqn and puniflorent a matter of al-
atoll abfalute cettainty, that continuance in rebellion
NIA* only another term for deAru!ion, that they
thought of abandoning their traitorous projeets, that
they fat down in laborious tranquillity, and began to
return to the habits of dutiful allegiance. If the Ho.
nour.ible Member looked to the Rate of Ireland mere-
ly as it was at this day, his view would Ise extremely
partial and limited. To be able to reafon fairly ca
the fubjeft it behoved him to look at the potters
acrd various modifications of the rebellion. He ought
to compare the means ufed to fpread ditaffeilihn with
the means employed to check its diffislion among the
lower orders. Among theft lag means he had the
univerfal reilimony of the bell informed peifone in
Ireland, that this meafure had been one of the greet-
ed and efficient enures of the return of tranquillity
and order, of the poffibility of continuing the ordi.
nary exercife of the form of the Common Law
Courts of the Land. Independent of this meafure,
the Honourable Gentleman would not this day have
had it in his power to notice the prefent tranquillity
of Ireland as an argument againft the re•enadment of
the Bill. So far from viewing the re•enaament of the
Bill as any ad of feverity to the loyal and well difpof-
ed part of the community, he viewed it in the oppolill
light. By allloyaland welldifpored individuals it would
be confidered as a meafure not of opprefflon, but of
prateCtion ; not of vigour, but of wife precaution, on
the part of the Government. It would difpel their
apprehenlioni, and give them new energy in their
oppofition to the defigns of the difalletted. It would
enable them to check rebellion at its firft opening.
and leave to them the privilege of appealing for the
redrefs of injuries to the ordinary tribunals of their
country. The Proclamation of Martial Law by the
exercife of the prerogative was what every friend to
the Conftitution would be anxious to avoid. It was
to avoid the neceffity of filch a mearere that the bill
was originally introduced, and was now propofed to
be continued. Without fuch a bill traitors might
efcape unpunithed, and loyal citizens might be de-
prived of their Conllitutional Privileges, and dragged
before Military Tribunals. Oa thefe grounds the
BM had his hearty fupport, and he hoped it would
alfo obtaia the fuppurt of the Houfe. It was a bill
which, from his knowledge of the prefent nate of
Ireland, he had nn difficulty iu pronouncing effential
to the continuance of tranquillity.
Mr. JOHN CLAUDIUS BEkesFORD begged the indul-
gence of the Houfe, while he made a few obferva.-
tions. His Hon. Friend under the gallery had urged
two objettions to the re-enactment of the sill, at lealt
without more mature confideration. The &It °Nee.
Lion was, that no fads were produced to jultify the
necefhity of the meafure. The fecond objection was
drawn from the thinnefs of the Members particularly
connefled with Ireland, and heft fitted to give infor-
mation to the Houfe on the fubjeft. With regard to
the firft objeCtion, it was unneceffary for him to take
up the time or attention of the Houfe. His Right
Him. Friend had filly removed this objeflion, and
he heartily agreed with his Right Hon. Friend, that
if the meafure were not renewed, the fame fy dem of
terror which had been alluded to would immediately
be renewed in all its horrors. With regard to the
thinnefs of the attendance of Members conneaed
with Ireland, he fhould make one or two remarks—
Having been very recently in Ireland, and having had
ozcafion to afcertain what were the feitiments of at
leaft three.foutths of the Irifh Members refident in
that country, as to the expediency and neceffity of the
mature, he requefted the Houfe, on his veracity, to
be affured, that they were to a man convinced, that
the re-cnadment of the Bill was indifpenfably need-
fary to the prefervation of tranquillity, and to the
protedion of all loyal fubjeas. They were fo eh*.
roughly convinced of its neceffity, that they expotted
the re•enaiment of the Bill would be one of the ear-
licit ads of the felEon. If they had not indulged
Inch an expedation, they would at this moment have
been in their places to folicit its re-enallment. This
fentiment of the neceffiry of the meafure, he might
add, was not confined to Members, but wait enter-
tained by every loyal man in every part of the mew
try. He, himfelf, had been the only !rah Member
who had eapreded doubts iefpeding the loyalty
of the lower orders, is oppofition to the opinion of
a number of other moll refpciflable individuals. The
late mad attempt at rebellion he had fern, he con-
felled, with feelings—in fome degree of pleafure.—
He rejoiced to find that the opinion he entertained
of the difloyalty of the lower orders was erroneous,
and that the fpirit of dila/ration was much lefs gene-
ral than be had dreaded. At this moment all good
men of every party were animated with feelings of
loyalty, and convinced of the neceffity of defending
the country spina the common enemy. He Bo-
cerelr believed, that at this moment, there was not
one twentieth part of difalcdion in Ireland as there
was at former periods. At prefent, all claffis
felled of the fmalleft refpeflability or property. were
refolved to Rand by the Government, and willsed no
fubjed to be *mud which could at all give rife to
ditlintion at this great cries. (Nora there ea a hal
cry from dm lifiailerial iamb.)-.-Here the dircuirson
ended. i.eave was obtained to bring in the Bill.
It was brought in by Mr. Secretary Yorke, read a
&a time, and ordered to be reed a fecond time on
Monday. - - - - -

Mr. Caaa v wowed kr knre saki% in a ICE for ansinuing eke
Refirlaien of the fink of Inked from males Parneens in Cal.
Hs laid. he bessid not weak the Houk wish way nreseneses is
fisticraist suoeion. Mach arm a moral cenkquessee of the
un Bio winds alßeed the payments of the Bask at tint.
lead.•-•Aipeod as.
He then moved for tie accoonts of of Nem and kink Peg NM
mak at keen days date, 11ribed by the Dank of Inked, inns
cirealation w the to N Jarseary. April. Joao. and ilonnsiors
5797; in the Itt of April, May. sad June slot ; the aA of
June, Anvil, November. sod Decensbw, doe t and on the till
of January. April. sod Aiwa, 0103 $ diftlagssielni finds NON
and Bank Pad Sills as wets below the 'aloe al five guineas
Ontcred.

The Hawk having gone bee a Committee of Berply, the 1.1.
MMus fano was voted towards the Soppily granted to M. Malay:
Tle run of IA ti 701. y 4 yd. fee the Ordleary of the bialry for
the pier slog; sod the fees of caeljtoL for .6iog,
and repairs of I. Merviliblio,over and above the hot greott4
for the weer aid tent

The Report was breasts wp, eel enteral to be resawed
marrow t eel the Committor of Supply ramped to Mends,.
1.421111 was instal, cm dor tootles 44 Mr. Viatil
hart rJr lettleemary trtwatillamien I.
The Elamite of E tar the Derma Departsiast for tie
year 1104. lose to be laid before the Hier.
tbe Committem Eateekti Laws. refeletbews peed ream.
.totaling the astimmenee ad terseml Laws, whkh would hare east.
wife aspired fu wenn ate the meeting of hellestment. The re.
folanons Weft ripened, soll the Aaron ar.lWed th ha roodvo4 to.
moorrow.—A4oossoll.

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