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r, beard Oaths relative to Supremacy and,Trmenbstamon.which -to P fusers were tole apprrlnted Witte Synidle--therefeee weak
were at present administered to Membefiof Parbnaent,acc. psalm Adios; yeLtbe log were Professors of Science and
Mr. S. RIO mvgdhthat appiication should be made Cora Lineages, who therefore could not fneukata Arian doctrine, (stain 1
to hold dim), without going beyond the line of their
Copy of the Report oT the Committee of the Howe Of LOrdss re- .
c incurrhsg the risk of Manual. Tice Ids&
lative to the Scotch and Irish Banking Seetem.--sCledee ed. . deal' —the 11,1111"- desseued the support of the
onwas ion a most sellable one, and
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Me. WILMOT:MORTON postponed to the dth of May, his ..110•0P a_Dll thea.Cou.ontortry. He gave dee motion for the Committee
motion for leave to bring in a.. Rill to amend the Slave Trade Con- Pam"' cora" f_ • - .
ir J. NEwottit-f, to reply, contended, that he had beard no
solidation Att.
Mr. F. BUXTON Inquired what course the Honourable Gets- arguments against his propbsition, and therefore would take Me
settle of the Howe upon it. His object was full and satisfaetety
demon meant to pursue?
Mr. WILMOT•HORTON declined 'pledging himself, in date t
inquiry. and could not, on any principle of justice, be resisted by
House.
gunge of the question, to any particular coarse. Mr. Gootosnof hod Sir Joss Newrome mutually explained, and
VOLLIVO LT ILrrrtOrtr. . the Moine divided, when there appeared—
Colonel DAVIES said, he rose for the purpose of moving foraFor the Motion • . 695
Select Committee to inquire into the mode of taking the Poll at Against it • . 13
Elections for Members to serve its Parliament for Cities and 80. Majority against it • 45
roughs. The great object was to check" as tuu:l as possible that
bribery, corruption, and violence, which at present so frequently CHANCERY CAUSES.
disgraced Elections. Almost every alteration which he contem• Mr. HARVEY ruse to move for certain Returns of
plated was tole found in a Bill introduced by the Right Hon. Gen- the State of. Causes before the Lord Chancellor, the,
denten, the President of the Board of Controul. in Mo. It passed Chief Baron in Equity, the Master of the Rolls, and the
that Howe,bat was thrown out by tbe Lords. lie should, however,
Vice Chancellor. He urged as a reason for granting,
suggest some amendments in that measure: Mach inconvenienc
arose from tire present mode of taking should in one place only, the returns he wished for, that they would afford much
unless when the parties agreed that it be otherwise. In valuable information with reference to the Bill whichl
Coventry, for instance, at the late election, while no more than SO had been introduced by „the Right Hon. Master of the I
could come up to the poll on one side, six hundred and Shy had
Rolls, and which was to.be read a second time in May I
voted or the other. His object wasto give greater facilities by al-
lowing every perish to have a separate polling place, when the po- next. In the granting of the motion there would be
?elation amounted to a certain number. The Same rule which nothing novel. He acknowledged that a variety of va•
prevailed in the City of London, of keeping the poll open only tot luable information was to be found in the Report of the
•dr days, might be equally applied te all towns and Boroughs. He
Commissioners, but not• the particular information
should propose that whenever twenty had not polled in any palish
booth, on any day, that booth should be then closed. The Mom the returns he wished for would supply ; some of
Gentleman concluded by moving for a Select Committee. those returns had been conceded in 1811, some of them
tut. ROBINSON sald, it would be a sating of great expense if at other periods, and he was desirous of having them
the votes oh those electow who resided in London. or in auy other completed up to the present time. ' The first paper he
place in which they might be numerous, could be taken without
bringingtbein to the City or Borough in which teed a vote.— should move for would be, a return of the number of
-(Tdls suegestien etched a laugh). IYriless some plan were causes set down before the Lord Chancellor, from the
adopted, no material saving could be effected in the expense of year 1820 up to the present time, distinguishing those
eleedom. which lad been disposed of, from those which had been
The motion was agreed to and the Committee appointed.
on solutares. referred to the Master, and still remained in his office ;
Sir J. NEWPORT rose, so move that the Grants for the per. the second was a similar Return with reference to the
poem of charity and cducatinn in Ireland, should be referred to a Master of the Rolls; the third ~pith reference' to the
• &tea Committee. These Grants, he admitted, were calculated to Vice Chancellor ; the fourth wlth reference to the
do much good, but care should be taken that they were fairly di- ~,,,_. _ Baron.
reeled to the proper object. At present they we absorbed by ee. %Adel- The fifth Return which he should
re
pensive establishments. The Hasse could not effectually guard MOVE for, was of the number of appeal
ou s which had
against deception, but by having the subject referred to a Select been brought before the Lord Chancellor during the
' Committee. He found in the Irish Estimates much that required same period ; and the sixth, the number of appeals
explanation. The first article to which he should advert was, the
Charter Schools. Commissioners had been appointed to inquire which had been brought before the House of Lords.
foto Me manner fa which they were conducted, and in compliance The seventh Return was an account of the Batik-
wins their recommendation, the House determined that they rupt Petitions filed since 1814; the eighth, an ac-
Mould he reduced within the funds which belonged to them.— count of the original causes, exceptions, and oaks for
• They determined that such of the children as were fit should be ap-
further directions, set down in Hilary Term, 1827 ;and
prenticed out, and if their ages were known, he felt confident It
would appear that many had been retained in thaw schools beyond the ninth, the number of Lunatic Petitions
filed and dis-
the proper time. It was useless to talk of them MUM'S in the posed of during the past year. He was unable to con-
House, because the usual COlitle was to meet every amnion of abuse aloe upon what gronnd his motion could be resisted,
with a strong denial. The proper course was to appoint a COM.
and therefore he would not then trouble the House with
mime. He rested this application on general principles. Without
a Cdounittee how were they to know how the-10,0001. voted for any forth r remarks.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL allowed that the
the Linen Board was disposed of? This Grant was less last. year.
but that in itself was a good reason for inquiry. There was one avowed object of the Hon. Gentleman was to procure
most extraordinary thing in the first page of those estimates. This
returns, which should afford some valuable information
Grant to the Kildare-street Satiety had been reduced from so,oocw.
to 25,000/: The Committee of the Society complained that, in come- respecting the business transacted in the Court of Chan-
quence of this education had been checked, and what was the come. eery ; but he maintained-that the real object of the ma
queues? the Irish Government gave them the 5,000/.whick bad been Lion was to c set an aspersion on the Lord Chancellor—
placed at their disposal according to the recommendation of the (Hear, hear, from the Opposition). A great part of the
Commissioners, for dm purpose of encouraging education by the . .
establishment of tomb. This was e Itry strange proceeding.-- information required by the Honourable Gentleman
With respect to the Commissioasers ofJadicial Eoquiry, they were was to be found in the Report of the Commissioners,
Proceeding new eery 'Waifs and some Kg" should be taken to which stated de die is diets how the Lord Chancellor
quicken their pace. The Right Hon. Baronet concluded by reov. was employed in his Court. A similar motion to that
ing fora Seise committee to enquire into the hisis Estimates, set
far as :be same related to charity and education. then before the House had been made by an Hon.
Mr. CURTEIS seconded the motion. He considered it hard Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) about a year since, and upon
that the peoile et this country should be taxed to support establish- the unfairness of its nature being set forth it was given
menu In Lreland.unlesethey were clearly 'hewn to be useful. He up.
... He thought they would find in the Commissioners'
saw that in the Cork Establishment for education there were pro•
lesson of botany and mineralogy. He dic not think it was MOW fteport all the information which could be valuable in
sary to instruct poor on those subjects. assisting the House in judging of the Bill winch had been
Tm cii ANC/Mr/see the EXCHEQUER admitted that it introduced by his Right Hon. Friend, the Master of the
was of importance misting all these votes within the narrowest Rolls, and therefore he should resist the motion. The
possible compass. He and his Right Honourable Friend (Mr.
Report of the Commissioners had been before the
Goulburn) had acted upon that principle, and the result was a
reduction in the estimates for tbis year as compared with those tor House for upwards of a year,
on an
which was to be s
existed a bwafide nitration on the part of Government of enforcing plied by the returns moved for, had not been discovered
economy—(Hear). /lir House would perhaps bear with him
until then. after the Bill had been read a first, and was
whilst he very shortly adverted to some of the points which had
been touched upon by the Right Hon. Btronet. With respect to on the eve of being read a second time.
of the motion
the charter schools, be could take upon himself to say it had been Mr. M. A. TAYLOR knew nothing
teipleed to let than expire of themselves. No new scholars would its before the House, but from reading it in the paper, and
future be admitted, and those already in the schools would be ap-
therefore if any attack were intended upon the Lord
prenticed to different trades as soon as possible. By these means the
lumber of those schools would soon be gradually reduced, and Chancellor, he was a stranger to it. But he did not
only so many would be allowed to continue in existence as could believe that any attack was intended, and so different
be maintained by their own exclusive funds, which amounted to wag hii opinion to that ot his Right Hon. Friend, that
Ore 7.0001 per annum. The various other Societies which had
had he called himself the Friend of Lend Eldon, and be
been alluded to were already under a course of examination by
Cousualssionesu appointed for the purpose, and he thought it would was not his enemy, he would have agreed to the motion
be inexpedient and toracceaucY to subject them to a second in* without hesitation. It always had been, and it always,
(joky until the Report of those Commissioners was before the should be his opinion, that if any insinuations were cast
House. As to the Linen Board, he could assure the House that at
forth against a Judge, the friends of that Judge could
wee the last time of its appearing on that suge--(llear, hear).
The abolition of that establishment was resolved on. Ministers not act more wisely than to submit his actions to
bad the strongest disposition to curtail unnecessary expenses with inspection—(Hear, hear). He maintained that a Menl-
- to these estimates, and nobody could long more than be did her of that House had a right to demand informa-
• for the adoption of some general plan regarding them, but at the
non respecting
uit He meant nothing disrespectful
the way in which suitors were treated
wale time he woof opinion that the Right Hon. Baronet had made
out no case for the appointment of a Committee—t Hear). in Courts of Eqy.
Mr. S. RICE baited the intended abolition of the Linea Board to the Lord Chancellor; but if it should appear that that
with great sad-faction. lie had always protested against that
,judge had more business on his hands than any indivi-
Worthless body, and had taken the sense of the House in voting
dual hiving could transact, then it was high time that
against the Grant to it. He still must doubt the sincerity of the in.
undoes to reduce those fraudulent Estimates ; elsewhy refuse to the matter should be investigated and remedied. He
sebtnit them to a Committee of Inquiry up stain? Such a Com- denied that the motion was a libel on the lalrd Chan-
miner was the beat check open the abuses. and the safest Fianna celior. Were they to be told in that House, as in a
. for the evils of the jobbing system with which the Irish expenditure Court of Law, that truth was a libel? Such a thought
has been hitherto conducted. and would therefore receive Ms most
• earnest support. was monstrous. If it were said that a Member had not
Mr. GOULBUEN never defended the Linea Board as a a right to speak the truth in that House, they had better
body which was to be of permanent existence. All those arguments all leave it and shut up the doors—(Hear, and laughter.)
for a Committee of Inquiry on the Kiklare.street Society and the Similar
returns
had been granted by the Committee in
• Protestant (tarter Schools were anticipated by the Commissioner
of Education, who had folly Inquired tote and reported upon both. 1811, and he maintained that the motion ought not to be
As to the Arian profession of faith, the House will be enabled to rejected. Government could not screen the delays in
form an opii#ou of the Commiuicniers• interpretation of it when Chancery. The public called loudly for reform of the
the Appendie to the Report shall have been before the House. He
p i h it had been treated as • libel on
practice in that Court. The motion then before the House
. meta pp the ntotion for di: Committer. because he could not
eee any possible benefits that could accrue front it. was a rght one, althoug
Mr. L. FORSTER, as one of the Conuoi bb tapered Education, the Lord Chancellor.
must complaie of the censures upon their laivour% at this moment, The Right Hon. Gentleman who
bad done so much in relorming the Criminal Code, was
when the Report wasonly just put into the hands of Members, and
when the evidence, upon wl.ich it w founded, WU not yet from competent to the task of reforming the Court of Chan-
die printer's hands. as cery, but it appeared that the Chancery Report had
ydr. J. GItATTAN contended for the necessity of the Com. thrown many Hon. Members off their guard.
mince, were it only to determine the wisdom of the choice of di- ' " Oft at Wisdom's door Suspicion sleeps."
tuloished Grants. He was sorry the chief reduction was in :hat for
The Hon. Member disclaimed any personal hostilly to
public works, and that out of the enormous sum (56,0001.) voted
for the purposes of education in Ireland, not a farthing was to the Lord Eldon. He had walked and talked with that Noble
Catholic Board of General Instruction. He doubted tee policy of and .Learned Lord, who might have thought him an
athuliibing the Linen Board; it might be made very effective. He
norant foolish fellow. That he did not mind. He

before the Horse. He had that confidence in the skill
of his Honourable Friend who had gives notice of a
motion on the subject of she Chancery after the holi-
days, di' he could not think it essential to a full dis-
cussion of that question. If the real object of his
Honourable Friend were to discuss the motion of the
Master of the Rolls, then the case would be different;
but the information sought for was in a great mea-
sure before the House. He appealed to the papers'
on the table. (Here the Right Honourable G.:ntle:
man held up the Chancery ;Report.) But if his Ho-
nourable Friend said that the labours of the Cone-
mitte were futile, then let the Commission be at once
superseded, and let the House itself undertake the in.
vestigation. But if there be a Report on the table of
the House, and a Bill also for the regulation of thol
Court, to be discussed after the holidays, it was but fair
to the Lord Chancellor to postpone the full discussion
of the subject. Was there no information which the
Hon. Gentleman required in the'Report ? Why he
(Mr. Peel) observed an account of the business heard
and di-posed of by the Lord Chancellor from Tri-
nity vacation, 1822, to Michaelmas vacation, 1825.
This was a return to a motion by the Honourable
Member for Ilchester ( Dr. Lusbington). Several,
pages in the Report were occupied with a state
ment of the daily business of the Lord Chancellor for
three years. If any Honourable' Member desired to
know whether the business of the Lord Chancellor was
or was not too much for mortal man, he might ratio*
himself there. He did not mean to say that the object
of the Honourable Member was a personal attack res
the Lord Chancellor; but he did say, that the motioo
was a reflection upon the Report of the Committee, and
that such a proceeding was placing the Judges of the
land in a very embarrassing situauon—(No, No). He
did think .so; and he bad a right to state is
opinion. It was a hard thing for the Lord Chato-1
calk to have his conduct thus inquired into, after
he had furnished a statement of his daily business
for three years. It was humiliating to that Noble
Judge to be called upon daily to answer motions
made in that House, before it had been decided whether
the Report of the Committee was satisfactort or not.,
Without imputing to the Honourable Gentleman what
he did not intend, he would oppose the motion, because,
it placed the Lord Chancellor in a situation in which he
ought not to be placed after what bad passed.
Mr. FERGUSSON agreed with the Right Hon.
Gentleman that if the Report contained any of the
information sought by the Honourable Member for
Colchester, the motion was unnecessary. But he (Mr.
Fergusson) had read the Report, and thought it did
not. He was surprised that when an Hon. Member
moved for papers, which it seemed almost a matter of
course to grant, they should be refused—(Hear). It
was very desirable, in particular, to know the number
of references from the L,rd Chancellor to the Vice-
Chancellor, and the number of appeals, because a
very important alteration was proposed to be made in
the new Bill, namely, to give to the Vice-Chancellor an
original jurisdiction, which he did not possess under the
Act which created that office. It was important also so
know what part of the jurisdiction of the Lord Chao-
eeflor, not in Chancery but in other departments, could
be transferred to other officen. The number of appeals
in the House of Lords was another important subject,
which it was necessary to consider before the Bill came
I before the House. He (Mr.Fergusson) had a high opinion
of the Lord Chancellor; but be thought the information
should not be refused.
Mr. A. DAWSON supported the motion. He con.
sidered the Court of Chaacery a grievance to • the
country, and thought Parliament ought to wipe away
the tears of the orphan and the widow, which were
shed in consequence of protracted suits in that Court.
Mr. HOBHOUSE expressed his surprise that a ques-
tion of so much importance did not call forth the elco
quence of the official Gentlemen on the Ministerial side
of the House. When he considered that the motion ap-
plied to a bill, which Wall to remedy one of the greatest
abuses, he did not think the Houseand the country had
been fairly dealt with. The Master of the Rolls had
introduced the Bill to which he alluded, and it was re-
markable that be was not present to speak on the guts-
tiln. He understood that leave had been asked for by
the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman to go into the
country, but no business could be more impoi tent than
the business that night in the House.
Mr. Secretary CANNING did not know why the
Hon. Gentleman bad called upon him to account for
the absence of the Master of the Rolls—(A laugh). He
had no knowledge .why the Learned Gentleman was
not then in the House. Perhaps the Honourable and
Learned Geatleman was agreeably employed to a way
known to the Honourable Gentleman—(A laugh). The
Honourable Gentleman asked why the Master of the
Rolls was not there to defend the second reading of
his Bill ? Tile fact was that the second reading had
been put off at the request of Gentlemen in the Oppo-
sition. The question pot by the Hon. Member' wise
therefore one of all others the most unreasonable. The
Master of the Rolls having consented to put it off, there
was an implied understanding that the subject should
not be brought forward in a motion so large as that be.
fore the House. The difference between the motion then
made and the measure to be produced by the Master
of the Rolls was so small as to be undistinguishalall
to- the acute optics of the Honourable Gentlenassa—
(Laughter) It would be admitted by all who beard
the Hon. Gentleman's speech, that he could not veto,
upon the Bill without the expression of hostile feeling
towards the Lord Chancellor. He should object to the
motion on the ground that it was unfair to bring for-
ward a motion combining the principal facts upon
which the House was to decide on a future day. The
motion went beyond the notice given by the Honourable
Member, but if at the proper time, any part of the in-
formation required, were not in the voluminous Report,
it might be moved fur; but the House would never
contemplate giving its sanction to a motion which bad

suing t. . _ - - . - igi..
could not but lament the parsimonious spirit with which the Hon. .
Member for Aberdeen viewed tbe Irish Estimates. was anxious to remove the grievance which must be swelled-to noilling-less than an attack on the Noble and
mr. Mimi,: dented the charge, and maintained that, in his et- remedied—to extirpate politicians from the Court of Learned Lord's judicial, official, and political conduct.
&H is for a reduction of the Irish expenditure, be acted very much on Chancery
t e arguments and statements of the Hon. Member himself. He was Mt. S eretary PEEL observed. 'hit he was rather Mr. D. W. HARVEY, in reply, disclaimed all per-
t anxious for the Committee, for he doubted the professions of
sarprised at the course which the Hon. Member who tonal feeling against the Lord Chancellor. He had
economy of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Protestant • made the motion, believing it utterly impossible on the
Charter Schools and the Foundling Hospital Estimates and turns last spoke had pursued, and at warmth. 4th of May next, to go into investigation of the subject
were, years since, proved to be meat extravagant and erroneoul, and Mr. TAYLOR—I am nut warm.—(A laugh.) without the information then required. His object was
ics were, year after year, persiited in. Mr. Secretary continued—At any rate there
, Dir. F. LEWIS thought it impossible for the House to select a PEEL idA
to chew, that some of the ponderous business of the
1. ' more inconvenient to itself, and less regardful of the feelings was an energy of manner in the Hon. Gentleman who Court of Chancery might be given to the Chief Baton
of the Board,
of which he was one, than tht preient, in inquire had walked an talked with the I.ord Chancellor, which in Equity.—The House then divided—
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• iota the expediency of the Education Estimates.—When the Re. was calculated to make a great and erroneous impress
shall have been fully read and digested, the House may act ; • For the Motion • . . 66 •
part• lie thought it unfair in Hon. Mein. non. The Hon. Gentleman had avowed his object to Against it HS
. but ne trusted not till then... . .
beta to complain of the disagreement of opinion among the Com. be to ex'irpate politics in the Court of Chancery; and Majority against tise Motion 47
41the 4th Ripon, the rather as they agreed to three it was necessary to have the 'muss m tired for in order The names of Members who were absent from the
I.:ii.Eillinte
to effect that object. He (Mr. P.) however, hoped that Ballot this day were then cafled over, and they were
' aut
eirts etio on.
ri., and the evident, mem Which their opinions, upon
• tic Belfast Academical question,were funded, was not yet printed.
thew:aloe would not be acceded to until the House was .irdered to attend the Ballot to. COM row for the Eleciion
Gt6The, as Vice-President of the Reheat Inwitutiou,
Mr. nitowNi,L,
refusing the Grant to it, en the frimend of pesfictly satisfied that tbe 'amnion via, necessary for the Committee, particularly for the City of Wells, with the
:::,:,.7„"1,-.,`L'ora,.• :!'o' .::.eta of two of its Fleenor,. the iwounniiiir puirse of deliberate inquiry on the :object of the Rd. exception of a few who, on special cause b ins assigt:ed,
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were ordered to attend on the ht of May t and
Secretary CANDIMO. who, on the motion of Mr,
was excused.

CORN LAW.
The Committee on the Corn Importation
postponed to to-morrow (this day).
The Scotch Settlement Bill was brought i
KINNEDT, read a first time, and ordered to
second time on Monday near.
The Scotch Fraudulent Bankrupt Bill was
in by Mr. H. Dauumoso, read a first time, and
to be read a second time on Monday next.
INEOLVeNT DILITAIL
Mr. HOME naoved that there be laid ,
House an abstract of the number of Debtors
land who have been released from prison ,
Insolvent Acts since the year 1813, the any
amount of the debts in their schedules, the total r
of property surrendered by them, the amount
property distributed among their creditors,
amount now remaining in the bands of the
the Court.--Ordered.
The House then adion--- •

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