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"dory of legitimate authority. Explanations should be
required, not for trying crimineles since that •
to.the Coons of Justice;
,not foe executing the laws,
Once that belonged. to the Government,,blit foe adopting
legislative provisions, or for requisingthe responsibility
.of Ministers. In conclusion, he remarked, that the
moton proceeded from the zeal and good intentions of
those who signed, but that propositions ought to be con-
fined to objects within the competency of the Chamber.
Senhor Carvalho e Sousa. We are not assembled
here solely for the discussion of legislative questions, as
the last speaker has asserted. One of the most im-
perious and indispensable of our duties is, the main-
tenance of the-integrity and inviolability of the sacred
Charter of our liberties--(Exclamations of approba-
tion from every part of the Chamber). Bat bow
is its inviolability ao be maintained, if we are to be
prohibited from asking information from the Govern.
iflent, by which we may be enabled to knot who
the ramie* are who are seeking to violate the Charter,
and would drive us froasshis Chamber in which the na-
tion has placed us, that we may defend its rights? 4Re.
newed apple's* and cries of 4, Agreed, agreed.") To
enable us to demand the responsibility of those against
wham it asay be our dety to enforce it, we must in the
first place obtain iaformatioo, sod all ti* documents
isdispeasabla4oo *at ohject. Weald we not other-
wise be deprived of cell mmas of enforcing responsibi-
lity? 1, therefore, support the proposition in its 101 l ex-
tent ; and the more so. as I see nothing io it which en-
croaches on any of the powers ritoblillied by the Chat-
ter, for the faithful observance and -iprigasbiliLy of
which I shall alwars contend.-.(Cries of ft Agreed:")
Senhor Goncalves di Miranda expressed bis concur-
rence in opinion with thetas; speaker. To watch over and
guard the Constitution was oaf of the most sacred dation
of the Deputies. I do not fear those rebels who appear
with arms in their hands, but those who have not yet de-
dared themselves. Though some of the latter may beak
ready-well known, it is fit they should be declared to the
whole nation, that it may know them, and learn who pre
these enemies of the Charter and the King, who have
&me so much mischief to Portugal. He concluded by
calling the serious attention of the Chamber to this sir-
cuoutance--that though six or eight months had now
elapsed since the tebeli took up arms against the legi-
timate Government of Don Pedro IV. they were still
allowed to enjoy their honours and titles. If this was
moderation, he was at a loss to know what would next
be justice.

3enhor Galvao Eslma argued, from the teat of the
Charter, that the production of the required informa-
tion was indispensable

Senhor Derramado observed, that it was not, and
never had been, his intention to treat with the rebels, on
which point his sentiments were well known, as well as
how much be wished for the cause of the legitimacy of
Don Pedro IV. and a just liberty. He opposed the
production of the documents, because it would not be
convenient for the Goveinment to disclose the secrets
of the enemy. He trusted that if the Chamber agreed
to call for explanations, the motion would be amended,
by the exception of information the publication of
which might be ;Glorious to the State.
Senhor Claudino.—The rebels compose an armed
force, but not a regular army. There can consequently
be no rules or formalities to be observed with such
banditti. I divide them into three classes—l. Rebels
who have already plunged the dagger into the bosom
of their mother country; 2. Rebels who have the
hand raised ready to strike ; 3. Rebels who as yet
keep the dagger under the cloak, tp be ready to use it
when occasion may serve. Foe the first our brave
aid faithful soldiers, who have resolved to maintain
the just cause in which we are elaberked4 will be suffi-
cient. The rebels q sbe second cbma eft Wf/9 kflin!!!,
end he oeed scarcely say anything respecting them Bat
the rebels of the third class were the men they had to
dread. (Expressions of approbation.) How were they
to know them if they were refused information—if we
are not permitted to look at the correspondence ? I
propose that the papers should be referred to a Com-
mittee, and if, from ale-nature of the subject, it should
be thought nece.sary, that the discussion should be in a
secret sitting. I have, Senhor President, such confi-
dence in the honour and patriotism of the Members of
this assembly, that I am not in the least afraid of any
thing which may pass transpiring.
Sombre Gonsalves de Miranda spoke again. He was
well aware that the Cabinet of Lisbon did not corres-
pond with the Cabinet of Antonio da Silveira.

The President called the Hon. Member to order, and
remarked that such expressions were as inconsistent with
the dignity Of the Chamber, as they were incorrect.
benbor Gong slves de Miranda declared, that he meant
only to speak by way of irony, for he well knew that
Antonio da Silveira had no Cabinet, and if he had, that
it could not correspond with the Cabinet 6f Lisbon: for
surely a legitimate Government would never correspond
of enter into any relations with rebels and iniquitous
traitors. He concluded by urging the production of
the documents, that the good might be known from
the bad Portuguese.
Senhor Caetano Alberto also wished for informa-
tion to distinguish the good from the bad Portuguese;
but he was also desirous that the Chamber should come
to ao decision which bore the stamp of precipitation.
He was therefore of opinion that the motion should
first be referred to the general Sections to undergo a
preliminary examination, then transmitted to the Cen-
tral Committee, and afterwards discussed and decided.
After a few observations from some other Members,
the debate wa; closed. One Member wished the course
proposed by Seubor Caetano Alberto to be followed ;
but the President put the question, whether the infor-
mation should be asked*, not ? and it was carried in
the affirmative.

Letters from Oporto of a recent date) give some
amusing details on the conduct and appearance of the
rebel Chiefs, sad particularly of their female leader,
the Marchioness of CHAIM& This Lady has accompa-
nied the insurgents in all their mo•ements,and supported
their courage amid all their difficulties. She bolds the
commission of Captain in the 7th Cacadores, and gal-
lantly appears at the head of her company both in the
camp and the field. Much of the success of the rebel
cause bas arisen from the boldness of her counsels, and
the intrepidity which sloe inspires into the ignorant
peasants, who have been misted by their loyalty or
their superstition. It will be remembered, that on the
advance of her troops from the north, detachments of
two Constitutional Regiments, under ZAOALLO, were
defeated and dispersed. The colours of these regiments
were carried to the Marchioness, who has made them
into a dress, which she intends to wear on. gala days
and (Navels.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. .
110(131'91r LORDS, MACK g.
. •
The WO, of ELY produced initials from the Deem and
Chapter et Bly, the Archdeacon of Ely, and the Duracell ot
tarettetapan against the Catholic Claims.—Laid on the table.
Lod ROLLE presented Petitions from the Owners of Lead of
thimseds. Sc. Edmonds of the Bridge, Ohm+, and ether Parishes
in Beweshire, against any altered/0 in the Corn Laws.—Laid on
the table.
Lord FARNHAM presented a Petition front the Ship Builders
of the town of Whitby, In Yorkshire against any alteration In the
Navigate Lawn—Laid on the table.
The Berl of KINGSTON presented Aikidos from the Catho.
Iles orate Cocky of Cork, and from the Unions of Glimmer, Bal.
lingtown, Rooke, and a Parish in the County of Tipperary, praying
for total Rmanclpstlon.—Lald on the table.
The Rad at MOUNT CASHEL said, that the inbahitaodof
Cork were whist further aoucesaimpa, and that he shatdd MOD
beer Petitions to prompt to that Arm. - -
The Marquis of CLANLiCARDE presented Pctitioci from
Leueltreagh, &rathbally. and Killaloe, duo favour of the Catholic
Clainu.-..Leld on the table. •
The Earl of WINCHELSEA promoted several Petitioas from
&Teraina, Some. and several Perishes in the County of Kent,
against any alteratiopla the Cara Lawa Aga* Cadedic Claims
Laid on the table.
bed TEYNHAM ow presented a Foldout from a Pariah is
the Coooty at Kent, against the RemanCatholics.-Lalid do the table.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a similar Petition from a
Pariah lo Deeonshire.—Laid on the
The Bishop of BATH and WELLS also presented a Petition to
the same ellaot Irani the Clergy of the Deanery ti Bebtol,—Laid
nacho table. . • .
Lord CARBERRY presented a Petition (row the Millers and
)Sesiers in Coro, of the City ed CAL, praying for prectkei,—
Laid or the table.
The poke of NEWCASTLEtIr led several Pethietta from
Oattahrl; the
to
BPy aketatiall la Oath
Lawn—Laid on the table.id ,
Lord ESN TWIT presepted Petitions hum several places in
Boandee-of pot, Storey, and Salop, agahut the Catholic Wad.
-Laid on the table.
The Bishop of LOB DON presented Petitions from tbe Clergy
far the Archdeacodry of Colchester, and from the Toth Maim
the Cs :balk amino; slid also eue tripe Delthilrls pt Poses•-•-1.414
op the tabin

corm LAWS.
Earl STANHOPE held a Petition from the Presi•
dent and Members of the Agricultural Association of,
Holderoess, in the East Itidiog of the C. ranty.uf York,
praying for protection in case of an alteration of the
Corn Laws. The Petitioners stated that they would be
satisfied with a protecting duty of 265. per quarter. Oa
this point he must differ from them. Large quantities
of foreign wheat were in brood, which, when admitted,
could be purchased at 245. per quarter, which, with the
amount of a duty of 26.. would make the whole price
only 50s. sad would, therefore, bring down the English
market still lower than it was. But if the Petitioners
thought a duty of 265. requisite, what woold be their li
feelings when they should learn that the protecting duty
was to be only 20s. which would make the price of a
quarter of foreign wheat in the market poly 444.-1
Many owners of land bad already expressed their in-
tention if the present system was altered, to withdraw
from this country to the Continent. It was said, that
the measure proposed was to prevent fluctuation. Put.
I had the existitig Corn Laws produced fluctuation?-.-
Bad they lowered the price of Colonial produce? Was
Mr. Peel's Bill forgotten, which bad carried desola-
lion through the land, though afterwards mitigated by,
another Bill, the object of which had not been manfully
aeon ed ? If their Lordships had regarded the wel-
fare of the country and the respect in which they
ought to be holden, they would not adopt such a
measure on the mere authority of Mr. Jacob. 'fbey
ought to receive evidence as to the price at which Fo-
reign Corn could 4e prodomd, assd as to what shoe d
;tie the mononesating price of this country, The ave-
rage price of wheat in Austria was fifteen shillings per
quarter, and the *lmes rillabour fivelente per head,
or ooe-loorth their *Mount littre.-The proportion,
therefore, was the same its botb CialMtfiti ; but suppo-
sing the taxes to be equally distributed, there every man
would ply seven shillings anti 'sixpence, whilst here,
with the poor-rates, cpupty ring, find every other
kind of rates and taxes sem man paid five pounds,
There a labourer paid his totes with eighteen days
labour, and a farmer with half a quarter of wheat,
whilst here the one paid his with sixty days' labour,
and the other with a quarter and two-thirds. It was tor
those who proposed a change, to abew why a different
principle should be adopted instead of that acted upon
in 1815? and sanctioned by tLe votes of both Houses.
He hoped to hear no more of a plan to prevent fluctu-
ations, when the effect of the system proposed would
be to create the most extensive speculations. He also
held another Petition in nearly the same language, not
from the members of a Society, nor from large owners
of land, but from farmers, farmers' servants, and la-
bourers in husbandry of the district of Holderness. It
was said that an alteration in the Corn Laws would
only injure landlords without affecting tenants; but
how could land be thrown out of cultivation without
injury to farmers and their dependents?
Both Petitions having been laid on the table,
Lord XING said that he had one of a totally dif-
ferent nature to present. If it had been expedient for
persons who lived by their labour and industry to come
to the House of Lords and demand justice on the Cons
Laws; it was still more necessary since what had
transpired during the last twenty-four hours. The pre.
ant Petitioners asked their Lordships to allow them to
enjoy the fruits of their labour. They did not think it
just that their Lordships, who did not labour, should
tax them who did. They attributed the immense suf-
ferings now endured by the country, and all that it
would yet surer, if no greater change were made than
was proposed, to ale Corn Laws. Those laws limited
trade and food, and the country suffered frets the want
of both. He (Lord K.) did not believe that the true
interests of trade and agriculture were disconnected.—
He believed they formed, in fact, bat one interest; but
the real contest was between high rents and tithes on
the one side, and the prosperity of the country on the
other. Their Lordships were considered, as long As
they supported the Corn Laws, as having their hands
against every man; let them beware lest shortly every
man's hand should be against them. The Noble Lord
then presented a Petition from the Lord Mayor, Alder-
men, and Sheriffs of London in Common Council as-
sembled; and also Petitions from Rotherayin Perth-
shire, and from the Corporation of Weavers at
also in favour of an alteration of the Corn Laws:—Laid
on the table.

The Earl of MALMESBURY loobed over
the Consular Returns, made -pursuant to the order of',
the House with regard to the price of foreign corn, had
not found any from the British Consul at Odes:2,lo4dt
he considered as a most important point to look to.—
Neither were there any from :Alexandria, although we
might also anticipate supply from Eqpt. He should
therefore move an bumble Address to his Majesty, that
be would order the information received front the British
Consul at Odessa, respecting the regulation aisciut corn
, on the oborol.0( *Skid Sea to be laid before their

Lordships, and similar Retinas from Alemodris,
should also take this opportuoity of expressing his coo-
cern that he should not feel himself enabled to support
the principle of the Resolutions which had bee() ,„I„
misted to die other House. He was willing to modify
the existi3g system althost to any ettent, but he did not
agree to the principle of adMitting foreign corn at all
times and on all occasions. If the duty were meant to
be prohibitory then it would be an awkward and se.
sardous way of obtaining a prohibition. He would
rather have a very moderate minimum duty at which
prohibition should exist, than an ascending and descend.
ing scale like that now proposed. He thought the
plan proposed would create extensive specula iwis, hT
it *arid alwayshe in the poster of great corn dealers to
raise ihe market. He bad been anxious to express I:et
sentiments upon the subject early, as there would la
other opportun ry for doing 69011 a Bill were sent lip td
their Lordships from the other House.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH would be glad if tsi
Noble Earl or any other Noble Lord swirl afford the
Hasse an opportunity of capeessiog their seam:sewn
the Resolutions proposed in another place.
The Earl of MALMESBURY declined uedettaking
;stub *task,
L.rd ItEDESDALE suggested that the Motion of
the Noble Earl should embrace the port of Mogadore,
from whence there was no return.
. The Earl of MALMESBURY adopted the sugges-
tion. He also said, that be differed horn a Noble Edo
,TM bad spoken before him, with Aspect to the esker.
iif* inquiry which ought to take place. He did not
*ohii neasesety to inquire, whether 60s. was a pro.
per remunerating price, as that seemed to be acknow.
tedged on all hands; but it might be expedient to ascer-
tain what the future means of growing produce abroad
might be.
Earl STANHUPE feared chit the adoption of the
measure would pot an end to the importation of cons
from Ireland, -which had amounted last year to two
millions of quartets, and that distress would raise a
Rune an that country, which it would be difficult toe:-
anguish. He also objected to the bonding system, and
hoped that the proposed measure would at least have
ebolished that evil.
Earl BATHURST had not intended to trouble their
Lordships with any observations, because he thought
that much evil arose from discussing questions of such
importancens the present incidentally, wilt every Pe-
tition that was submitted to the House. But some le-
mmas having been made on a former day, respecting
the with of communications to their Lordships on the
subject of the resolutions proposed in another place, be
must observe that is point of fact any communication
of.a measure which must originate in the other House,
was most unusual. So unusual, indeed, that when his
Noble rriend (the Earl of Liverpool) determined to in.
traduce the subject to their Lordships, as one to which
be had dedicated much of his time and attention, it had
been a matter or discussion how it could be effected
without infringing Parliamentary forms, and the Noble
Earl bad prepared a motion for the purpose of em-
bracing the subject. It was thirteen no want of re-
spect which had prevented him from making any com•
munication to their Lordships. They were now in pos-
session, however, of the system which his Majesty's
Government intended to propose, and itwas for them
to deal with it as they thought proper. Noble Lords
had spoken of the acres ity of inquity—some respecting
the amount of a serpunerating price; others, with maid
to the price at which Weise corn could be importeshWith
respect to the former, the Measure Treat on the principle
that 695. was the price which his Majesty's Goverament
had reason to believe, all parties considered, as affording
a sufficient remuneration. If their Lordships were not
satisfied as to the price at which Foreign Corn, could be
imposted, it was fir them so move for informatics's on that
subject. Bat with respect to the charges and expenses
of agriculture in this country, the impottsfrom Ireland,
or the bonding system, be should submit to the House—
whether it would be possible for inquiries:o varied and so
intensive, to be concluded in the course of the present
Session? And, if there was one point on which all,
within and without the House, must agree, it was this,
that under the circumstances the country, the ques-
tion ought to be decided daring the present Session.
Should, therefore, any call for inquiry be made, he
trusted that Noble-Lords would narrow it within such
limits, and avail themselves as much as possible of the
information already in their bands, as to come to a de-
cision before the Session should be over.
The Earl of MALMESBURY certainly thought that
the information as to the growing price in foreign
countries was deficient, and could not consent to legis.
late on Mr. Jacob's Report.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that the inquiry
into the growing price of foreign torn was made in
itself so extensive that it might onilvt the Session. If
the Noble Earl opposite, therefore, was not satisfied
with the information already in hand on that subject, he
ought to move fora Comnsittee that very night.
Earl BATHURST had never said that his Majesty's
Government were not perfectly satisfied with the bolos•
motion received. end had not made up their minds on
subject. It was for those who were not satisfied to
' • e for inquiry.
Lord KING contended that the present plan afforded
req hope of setting the question at rest, and that if it
were adopted, the same discussions would recur yeas
lime year cal justice should be done, which for a long
time would not be done. Had the Noble Earl comma*
phoessed himself of a Catechism on the Core Laws,
which bad just been published, be would have bed ready
answers for every fallacy advanced. With respect to a
• unerating price for instance, be would base found
this reply, near 82.—" The fair Grower is to be remu-
nerated for what nobody wants him to ptoduce, because
it con be got better elsewhere."
Lord REDBSDALR. said, that what had fallen
front the Noble Lest was, what was called, letting the
cat out of the bag. The real question was this, was
there to be a cultivated country or not? It was true
that if the present system were changed, many Laud-
owners would withdraw to the Continent. They would
go to France, and why? because France had adopted
lOC Corn Laws and our :Navigation Laws. He con-
leaded that the present rents were lower in proportion
to produce, than they ever had been. With respect to
the Resolutions now before the other House. they were
wetly suggested, not adopted: he did not see therefore
how they could be made a ground for their Lordships
argue the question, and to argue it incidentally on
every Petition was most inexpedient. He deprecated
411 angry feeling, and thought that the Lord Mayor and
Aldermen of London who had petitioned the House,
were not the men most likely to form a most sober
grotto on the question, as they could not help con-
sidering their own interests.
The Earl of DARLINGTON thought that inquiry