The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1839-05-03 00:00:00

ST. GEORGE'S HALL.

Alderman EvANs said, with respect to St. George's Hall,
that if there was no pressing necessity for immediately pro-
ceeding, he hoped that the plan of the building might not be
considered as quite fixed. If the plan now proposed were
carried out, it would utterly preclude any alteration with re-
spect to the application of the remaining land, because it
required that a large area should be left open to the intended
front of the hall, What he wanted was, that the present
plan should be arrested for a short time, to see whether, con-
sistently with the erection of a convenient and ornamental
building for public purposes, and with the entire concurrence
and satisfaction of the committee of St. George's Hall, a
better application of the whole land could not be made—
whether they could not unite the assize courts, the police
courts, and even the parich offices un that mite. In order to
do that, they would require about 6500 yards of land ; and
he apprehended that the cost of that, in any situation suita-
ble for the purpose, would not be less than six or seven
guineas a yard. Their expenditure for land alone would
therefore be not less than £40,000 ; whereas this Infirmary
ground, if they were excluded from offering it for sale, and
unless they made use of it for public purposes, was actually
worth nothing. If they made use of that land for the pur-
poses he had referred to, they might be said to obtain it for
nothing ; and why, then, pay six or seven guineas a yard,
when, they had ground there at their disposal ? If they sold
the land down here on which the courts and parish offices
stood, they would obtain more for it than would be required
to erect the new buildings. He hoped, therefore, that before
the St. George's Hall was commenced, the subject would be
referred back to the Finance Committee, in order that it
might be ascertained whether some alteration in the proposed
plan, at least as far as regarded the front of the hall, could
not be made, that would admit of applying the remainder of
the land to more extensive purposes than could be done if
the, hall were proceeded with exactly in accordance with the
plan now propoed. The alderman ultimately shaped his
resolution as follows :—" That what relates to St. George's
Hall he referred back for re-consideration, with instructions
to communicate with the committee of St. George's Hall as
to such alteration in their plan as would leave the land avail-
able for other public purposes."
The MAYOR observed that Mr. Evans seemed to recom-
mend the adoption of a different arrangement with regard to
laying out the land. Now, the council had already approved
the proposed mode of laying out the land, and that approval
had been communicated to the St. George's Hall Committee.
Alderman EVANS explained that he wished to make no
alteration whatever without the acquiescence of that com-
mittee.
Mr. JORDAN seconded the proposal of Alderman Evans.
He had most certainly been under the impression that the
assize and police courts were to be removed to the vacant
ground on which the Infirmary stood, and as it seemed that
that arrangement could not be carried into effect if the pro-
posed plan of St. George's Hall were proceeded with, he
should second the motion.
Mr. BOLTON felt great reluctance to agree with Mr. Evans.
The present motion seemed to be like a proposal to amend
the terms which the council had Irfore approved of. He sub-
mitted that, having gone so far, it would be a great injustice
to the persons who had subscribed their money to act in the
way proposed, and would probably have the effect of breaking
up the plan altogether. There were 14,000 yards of land,
10,000 of which would be left after the erection of the hall,
and that would be ample space for the erection of courts of
justice and other buildings connected with them. It would
not be courteous to cancel a bargain that had already been
confirmed. There might be some propriety in having the
parish offices on that site, but the time had now gone by,
even if it were so. He doubted, however, whether it would be
prudent to remove them from their present situation. A great
many persons were passed for Ireland and Wales, which made
the present situation, contiguous as it was to the river, pecu-
liarly applicable to the parish officers. Being a central situa-
tion, they were very convenient for any public meetings that
were held there. It would he extremely inconvenient, and
somewhat unjust, to throw back the consideration of a mat-
ter upon the Finance committee, which had been fully settled
by thein with the other committee, unless some objection
were made to the terms, which was not now done. Even if
there was a site for public buildings wanted, there was the
Islington Market, which was nearly useless. The police
court, he contended, was a convenient situation, as it was
connected with the Bridevvell ; and if it were too small, it
would be better to remove it to the Session-house than to
erect a new building.
.rorfre-r-tontas sam that rue parish omces were in the
most convenient situation they could be in, and it would be
very inconvenient to move them. If they did so they would
not get persons to attend.

Ardetinan EARLE thought it was treating the committee
of St. George's Hall hardly, and with impropriety, for per-
sons to come forward at this late hour and oppose the thing,
especially as the plans advertised for were to be in by the
20th of this month.

Mr. V. HIGGINS wished to ratify a mistake into which
some gentlemen seemed to have fallen. The arrangements
were not made, as some supposed, but were to be approved
of by the council, and were open to objection now as at any
previous time. With regard to the plans, the time for fur-
nishing them was considered by all in the profession as too
short. It certainly was not too short for those who had had
eighteen months to prepare their plans ; but most certainly
it was too short for those who had only had three month's
public notice. He had been told by a respectable builder
that it would take all his time for the three months to pre-
pare the plan for such a building, and it could not be ex-
pected that a man in business was to give up all his time to
that alone. He should, therefore, propose that the time for
furnishing plans be extended to six months.
Alderman EARLE stated that six weeks only had been al-
lowed for preparing the plans for the Royal Exchange, whereas
they (the St. George's Hall Committee) had given three
months.

Mr. T. CASE thought the recommendation of Mr. Evans
worthy of consideration, if all the land had not been com-
pletely appropriated. All that was asked for was a little de-
lay, in order to ascertain whether a better appropriation could
not be made of the whole of the land, embracing those objects
which Mr. Evans had very properly alluded to. He should
not stop to argue whether a better site for the parish offices
and police-court could or could not be found. It might turn
out that the proposed site was a very desirable one; and,
having appropriated a part of the land, or being about to do
so, it might then turn out that abetter appropriation could
be made. Surely, then, it would he better to pause for a
single moment,' than at once to commence with the hall, and,
after it had been erected, wish it had been somewhere else.
Mr. BLACKBURN contended that, if there had not been a
formal appropriation of the land, there had been a virtual
appropriation of it, and he should feel great difficulty in mak-
ing any alteration. The committee had advertised for plans
on the understanding that not only land of a certain size, but
of a certain shape, had been set .side for thathall; and there-
fore, if any alteration were now made, they would have lost
all their plans. All their proceedings, in fact, would be over-
turned if the council were only to give them a piece of land
of the same extent, and not of the same shape, as that which
they expected to have.

The TOWN-CLERK read, from the minutes of the Finance
Committee's proceedings, a resolution approving of the plans
submitted for the appropriation of the land in question for

the erection of assize courts, and of the St. George's Hall,
as exhibiting ample room for both.
Alderman SHELL said that everything relating to this hall
had been taken up, by the parties interested in it, with such
a spirit of enthusiasm, that it was impossible to get anything
like common sense or reason about it. It had been taken up
as though it had heen a religious subject in which every gen-
tleman was personally interested. He should deal with it as
a simple matter in which the community were interested, and
then call on the council to act in like manner, and with cau-
tion. He allowed that laud had been given for the erection
of the hall ; but they had not given all the rest of the land—
neither had they, when they made their grant, given away all
control over that remainder. It was to this supposition that
he objected ; and he should support the motion that the mat-
ter be referred back for reconsideration, in order that the Fi-
nance Committee might report as to the best mode of appro-
priating the land, so as that the best could be made of that
which would remain for public purposes after the erection of
the hall. His opinion was, that, without any material altera-
tion, there would be found not only sufficient space for the
assize courts, but for the police-court, and, perhaps, for
offices. Some benevolent persons seemed to think that it
was desirable to keep the parish offices where they were, be-
cause, if they were removed, the poor people who applied.for
passes would be put to the trouble of going from the Hay-
market to the river. And then the committee, it seemed,
would not go there. He was surprised they did not say that
the stipendiary magistrate would rather give up his salary
than walk there.

Mr. WALMSLEY thought there could be no question that
the subject should be referred back for re-consideration.
Mr. BOLTON contended that it was now too late to do so.
The land had been appropriated for assize courts and the St.
George's Hall. If they wanted police courts and parish offices,
they should have given instructions long ago. The only mat-
ter now between the council'and the committee was the sim-
ple question of rules and regulations.
Mr. G. HOLT could not see, if there was not the slightest
intention to injure the interest of the committee, why, if it
could be done, a better appropriation should not be made.
The MAYOR thought that the motion of Mr. Evans was
an irregular one. The question had merely been sent back
to the Finance Committee to consider the regulations, and
that was the only subject then before the council. From the
report of the surveyor, it appeared that no such thing as Mr.
Evans recommended could be done, unless the area in front
of the hall, which was understood to have been given up to
the public, was taken away.
Alderman EVANS was astonished that gentlemen should
persevere in putting a colour on his motion that it would not
bear. He would ask, to whom had they given the land ? To
the gentlemen of the St. George's Hall ; and he could not
think that they would interfere with any arrangement having
in view the public benefit and convenience, when that ar-
rangement would not be prejudicial to their object. He
thought that they would be very ready to acquiesce in it.
The• vote was then taken on Alderman Evans's motion. It
was negatived by a majority of 29 to 16. The voting was as
follows :
For the motion—

Councillors T. Case, J. Mellor, J. Walmsley, J. Priestley,
J. Lawrence, V. Higgins, T. Morecroft, J. Mason, and F
Jordan.

Aldermen R. Sheil, R. Roskell, G. Holt, R. Benn, E
Evans, W. P. Freme, E. Harvey.
Against the motion—

Councillors J. Holmes, R. Houghton, W. Thornhill, Isaac
Holmes, W. Shand, W. Preston, B. Frankland, G. Wright,
H. Holmes, T. Bolton, E. Pilcher, R. Bright, J. Woollright,
J. Cooper, Lassell, J. Carson, R. Gladstone, T. Black-
burn, E. Segar, J. Smith, G. H. Lawrence, J. Platt, and G.
Ramsden.

Aldermen T. Booth, C. H. Jones, W. Earle, J. Moon, T,
Bulley, and the Mayor.
Absent.—Councillors J. Heyworth, D. Hodgson, J. Bar-
ton, Thomas Sands, J. Bibby, W. Rathbone, C. Lawrence,
J. N. Wood, T. Harvey, T. Brocklebank, T. Coglan, J. S
Leigh, J. Cropper, jun., W. M. Duncan, W. W. Currie
Aldermen J. Hornby, T. Leathom, T. B. Barclay, and T.
Holt.

Mr. V. HIGGINS persisted in the motion which he had
made. He had no wish, however, to make it in the slightest
degree offensive, and if the council chose he would alter it
into the shape of an opinion, instruction, or request. He
proposed to word it as follows—" That the council are of
opinion that it is desirable that the time for furnishing plans
for the intended St, George's Hall should be extended to six
months from the original time."
Mr. J. PLATT seconded the motion.

Alderman EARLE maintained that the council had nothing
to do with it : it was a question belonging to the cemmittee.
He thought that the time, if extended as proposed, would
be insufficient to induce new competitors to enter the field ;
and it was acknowledged by architects that the specifications
which had been given by Mr. Holme and Mr. Stuart were
tantamount to a month's work. He understood that they
should have about sixty plans sent in. It was not the best
architects that always made the best plans.
Mr. BOLTON characterised the motion as an uncalled for
interference in the concerns of people who were perfectly
capable of managing their own affairs.
Alderman EVANS conceived that it was quite competent
for that council, who had given so much land on certain,
representations, to see that those representations were car-
ried out. They were told that they were to have a splendid
building—(Alderman Earle : " And so you will have.")—
and the council was competent to make the limited interfe-
rence which was proposed, if they thought that the com-
mittee were not giving a proper chance of such a building
being erected.

M-r. BLACKBURN observed that at present the council
had no voice in the committee, although they were to have
the power of appointing six members, and they were surely
entitled to give an opinion.
Alderman SHELL said, with respect to what had been ob-
served by Alderman Earle, that three times more money was
given for the plans for the London Royal Exchange than for
St. George's Hall, and that was an inducement to architects
to give up the whole of their time. Besides, it ought to be
recollected, what an infinitely greater amount of talent could
be brought to bear on such a subject in London, in compa-
rison with Liverpool. He thought that sufficient time
should be granted for getting the best plans, and that no
plan should be decided upon till the whole committee was
formed

Alderman EARLE.-The plans are to be approved of b.
you.

Mr. HIGGINS said that there was a suspicion through the
town that unfairness had been manifested, and it would only
be doing an act of justice to extend the time as proposed by
him.

Alderman JJARLE stated that there were only two gentle-
men on the committee who were architects, and only one of
them was going to furnish plans. As to the gentlemen on
the committee having had eighteen months to prepare their
plans, as had been insinuated, he must observe that was per-
fectly impossible, inasmuch as the plans could not be com-
menced until the lands had been laid out, and that had only
been done for a short time. The rumour, therefore, was per-
fectly unfounded.

The motion was then put to the vote. and negatived by a
majority of 30 to 12.
For-the motion—

Councillors V. Higgins, T. Blackburn, T. Morecroft, J
Mason, F. Jordan, and J. Platt.

Aldermen R. Sheil, R. Roskell, R. Benn, E. Evans, T.
Bulley, and E. Harvey.
Against the motion—
Councillors J. Holmes, R. Houghton, W. Thornhill, Isaac
Holmes, W. Shand, W. Preston, T. Case, B. Frankland, G.
Wright, J. Mellor, H. Holmes, T. Bolton, J. Walmsley, R.
Bright, J. Priestley, J. Woolwright, J. Cooper, J. Law-
rence, W. Lassell, E. Segar, J. Smith, G. H. Lawrence,
and G. Ramsden.

Aldermen T. Booth, G. Holt, C. H. Jones, W. Earle, J.
Moon, W. P. Freme, and the Mayor.
Absent.—Councillors J. Heyworth, D. Hodgson, J. Bar-
ton, Thomas Sands, E. Pilcher, J. Bibby, W. Rathbone, C.
Lawrence, J. N. Wood, T. Harvey, T. Brocklebank, J.
Carson, R. Gladstone, T. Coglan, J. S. Leigh, J. Cropper,
jun., W. M. Duncan, W. W. Currie ; Aldermen J. Hornby,
T. Leathom, T. B. Barclay, and T. Holt.
The MAYOR supposed that what had taken place might be
deemed a sufficient notice that six committee-men would
have to be selected at the next council, to form a part of the
St. George's Hall Committee, without regular notice being
given.
The council replied in the affirmative.

LEASES.

The leases which had been granted were then read over and
confirmed.

IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.
Proceedings read and confirmed without comment.
_ WATCH COMMITTEE.

The minutes having been read,
Mr. MASON observed that there was an allusion to re-
wards to witnesses on indictments for chemical nuisances.
He made no objection to them ; but he understood that there
were serious complaints—general public complaints—that
the works were carried on as usual, and that they were
equally offensive. He wished to ask what arrangements had
been made with the parties ?
The DEPUTY TOWN-CLERK replied that eight persons had
been indicted, and convictions had been obtained against six,
who had ceased working. The records against two (Mr.
Lutwyche and Mr. Hill, who carried on business on a small
scale) had been withdrawn ; but informations had been laid
against them. Three informations were now pending, which
would be heard on Friday, and if Mr. Hill continued to
work, he would be indicted. As to Mr. Lutwyche, the
nuisance caused by his works was comparatively trifling.
Mr. Muspratt having continued to work, they had served
upon him the sheriff's writ, and were in daily expectation of
receiving from the bailiffs their writ of abatement.
Mr. WALMSLEY said that Mr. Muspratt had expended
£5,000 in abating the nuisance in Vauxhall-road, and that
the plan he had adopted was one that was in successful
operation at St. Helen's.

The proceedings were then confirmed.
TOWN DUES COMMITTEE.

It was mentioned in the minutes that Mr. Corrie, receiver
of town dues, had made an application to the committee for
an addition of £l5O to the moneys allowed him, in order that
he Auight ciAgagc_thc xLrices of another clerk (a proceeding
which had become necessary in consequence of the increase
of business in his office within the last few years), and that a
trifling addition might be made to the salaries of the two
clerks already employed. The committee instead of acceding
to the application, made an increase to Mr. Corrie's allow-
ance of £5O a year, which was to be divided between the two
clerks already employed—the first clerk to receive £l5, and
the second £35.

The MAYOR read the following letter from Mr. Corrie witl
respect to this arrangement ;

TO THE WGRSHIPFUL THE MAYOR.

Town dues Office 30th April, 1839.
Sir,—With the utmost respect for the members of the
Town dues committee, I trust under the circumstances of the
case I shall be excused for troubling the council with an ap-
peal to them respecting the recommendation of the committee
on my memorial of the 15th February.
My present clerks as well as myself, will be most grateful
for the increase which it has been proposed to add to their
salaries ' • but the committee have not thought fit to recom-
mend that any further allowance should be made to me for
the expense of that additional assistance, by the employment
of a third clerk, which the increasedbusiness of the port,
and consequently of the office, have now rendered indispens-
able.

The grounds on which the necessity for this additional
clerk rests are—

I.—The increase of business during the last fourteen years,
as shown in the memorial.

2.—The system of audit adopted in 1827, under which my
clerks are obliged to leave their day books all written up and
closed before going to dinner.
3.—The increased length of the bills, and great variety of
articles imported and exported by the large steamers now in
the trade with Scotland and Ireland; the consequence of which
on busy days, especially on Mondays and Saturdays, is great
hurry, and often serious delay in the despatch of merchants'
foreign entries. _ _

4.:—The examination of the inspectors' daily reports, which
are delivered every morning, requiring immediate investiga-
tion, and particulars for port entries to be prepared against
the appearance in the office of the parties from whom they are
to be claimed. These require the attention of one person to
be withdrawn from the counter, as there may be opportuni-
ties to leave for one or two hours each morning. These duties
commenced only two and a half years ago, under the direction
of the then Town dues committee.

I presume it cannot be doubted that the intention of the
Paid Officers Committee in 1836, and of the council in con-
firming their recommendation, was, that my nett emoluments
should be about £7OO per annum, as they are shown in my
memorial to have been. This was a reduction of £37 15s.
per cent. from those of the five previous years, as shown to
the committee in conformity with the municipal reform act.
If, then, the necessity of additional assistance in the office
be not disputed, I trust the council will not think either that

is too
the £lOO per annum, at which I estimate its cost,
much for a person competent to transact public busine,
and of sufficient respectability to find good security for:ksT;
as is done by my present clerks, and bv every clerk 1.1, Lti
Dock-office, or that my own salary after the reduction Li,
1836, should be further diminished 'by this £lOO in C'on~n.
quence of the necessary expense of collecting so largelY
creased a revenue.

I am, with great respect, sir,
• Your most obedient, humble servant,
Alderman BENN stated, on beThilal°fsOfCtreßcioEn'lmßieteteeel7trliat
they did not expect that Mr. Corrie should reduce hi,. 013,7;
but it appeared to them that there was no occasion for L.
employment of an additional clerk. It stated that the
was
them
clerks finished at half-past three, and they had given little
that little increase in order to induce them to work
harder, so that the public service might not suffer any
con,
Mr. COOPER moved that the proceedings should be .coies
firmed, with the exception of that part relating to the sal•Lr
of
Mthe clerks. the
r. BLACKBURN said that that, of course, would bea
~
proper plan, as no salary could be increased withnul„
month's notice. He should be inclined to think, from tu ,"1,
statement of Mr. Corrie, that an additional clerk was
and should, therefore, propose that the committee ve t
structed to take the memorial into consideration, and rePi
at the next monthly council meeting.
Alderman EA RLE fully agreed with what had fallen fees
Mr. Blackburn. If another clerk was absolutely warill.
the salary should come from the council, and not from
Corrie. He seconded the motion, which was agreed to_
t
The proceedings of the Market Committee, and of ri,
Town-hall Establishment Committee, were read and c°
firmed.

EDU CATION COMMITTEE• ngS'
It was stated in the minutes of this committee's proceedi _
masters

that as there was great difficult in committee gooc. - A Wit
the education of the poor, the had resolve.,` ~wed
a few of the boys in the corporation schools, who bnuncii,
most talent, should be sent, at the expense of
to the Mechanic's Institute, for the purpose of Prel) of
them as masters, a plan which would answer the purPe'
a normal school.
Mr. I. HOLMES asked whether there was to be any
to the number of boys to be sent. _otter
Mr. BLACKBURN replied that there would be a ,s'''.-Los
• uld w
record of any boy being sent, and the council wo
have a check on the proceedings of the committee. to
. Mr. WALMSLEY inquired whether the intention v`r, or
send the boys to the Hh School, to the Low Schoorniog
merely to the Mechanics School—that was, the Ev.en the
School, because the 'expenge would be very differeno per
the couarins
three cases. In the first, the expense would be AIA", one
annum ; in the second, only £2 10s., and in the last'
guinea, oto
Alderman EARL% said that, supposing they were towould
the High School, and four boys were sent, the expense
be only £4O a year. ' High Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE would send them to the or
School ; and if the council were subscribers, and hadregege
mendations, he should advise that they be sent to the ~
in London.
d 'in;
Mr. WALMSLEY hoped that that would be rend ere es
necessary, because they were about to extend the Mel' pi
Institute so as to make it an university. 01°
Mr. AiELLOR asked whether the boys were to be sFAusy
qualify them for teachers, or for the benefit of the inclivi'4t to
themselves. He thought that they should rather been
make them useful to the public. nre'
Mr. BLACKBURN said that they could not exact anY ,11(1
mise from them. The object was to select such boYs2so to
promising talents and a taste for teaching, to enable Tile
become teachers if they thought fit.
The broceedings were then confirmed.
The minutes of the Garden, Custom-house, and Chin.
Extension Committees were then read.—Proceedings
firmed.

OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE, • tO
A report from the committee appointed to take in, in the
sideration the expediency of erecting an observatorY,' t the
port of Liverpool was read. The committee stated 0: los
first subject which necessarily engaged their atteritt,
et
the propriety of erecting an observatory in the of
t°,
was well known that the longitude of Liverpool lla","00)
been ascertained with precision, in consequence (a pro'
chronometers were taken to sea without having be.e„ceocis
perly regulated, and, considering that an error of four ;ile
Is
would make a difference—perhaps a fatal one—of a
the ship's calculations, it would be seen that this was old to
which demanded a speedy remedy. The remedy wri" itiee
found in the erection of an observatory, which the coulee,
were of opinion, was necessary. They thought, h°4•Orthe
that it was desirable to limit it to practical pUrpOSes
benefit of commerce. The next point was to discover balin• g
able situation. The roof of the new Custom-hoilsenpahrl
been pointed out, the committee instructed Captain -;'•,ot
to report whether, in his opinion, it was well fitteiVme.
purpose. He strongly recommended it as a fit place. c(stsbt,i;
however, having been expressed as to the firmness all,a fon
lity of the roof, they ordered that the surveyor show well
experiments to ascertain whether or not they weressoei
founded. Captain Denham having left, Mr. Adie floe,
ployed to make the' necessary experiments, and he r,efote"'
that, from the vibration of the walls on which the roe'
uirptlie.
the situation did not appear to him fitted for thel.tero°,
Mr. Hartley then pointed out the pier between the J„ltliot'
and Prince's Docks, where there already existed a "—coot;
that would' answer for the observatory. The Doclrroetei
mittee were asked for their concurrence, and they, gellisf:
liberty for the erection of an observatory and a they
onh
house for the astronomer, which was to remain 50 101 tO in
as it was used for an observatory, and was not fon° reet`'
terfere with any future improvement—the committeeee4
ing to themselves the right of removing it when nee
of
and exacting a rental of 20s. per annum for the "sed 0,401
said site. It was calculated that the observatory Ow eV
nomer's residence would cost £915. According t° wit;
mate of Mr. William Lassell, jun., the necessall'ohit,i
ments, including a telescope, which though not ~a„
necessary, would be very useful, would cost X-1,":00..,11
the total expense of the outfit of a marine obsen'ao---0.
not exceed, and probably fall below, £2OOO. Mr' •tePoti
also calculated that the sum which would be rect"l
maintaining the observatory would not be more ta""
per annum.
Ober
cob
Alderman EARLE moved that the report of the Ob' co
the
Committee be adopted and confirmed, and that rec.o
mittee be re-appointed, with full powers to carry as
to
naendar. BOLTON
into effect.
•sbece
M seconded the motion ; but he
know from what sources the salary and other extie"-e
ogh
-to come. 10°
Mr. BLACKBURN replied, from the surplus of the 014'01
fund. There was no other source. That was on, thnealo4
sition that there would be no income ; but Captan
was of opinion that the regulation of chronometers'.
might be carried on there, would pay the expensettl 1111
trusted that the council would adopt the report, 3 1$
wipe away the disgrace which attached to the port. rei:Oote
The TOWN-CLERK said that he had already e:(1) of
strong opinion that there should be no vote 0t,.. ;11°"ot
borough fund without reference to a committee. ,-I:,jresOnce
feel great difficulty if that were not done. An i,.°-,.efere,' •
salary, however small, could not be made without.' :,-010,,;,ce,0•
to a committee. This was a matter of more ii°Tderr.o,
and they were called on even without a month's cons,lbe to` to
Mr. BOLTON thought, from the statement of ',port,
clerk, that the better plan would be to refer the —.of c
the Finance Committee, to report as to the propriet)
rying out its recommendation. ghoaltitY
The TOWN-CLERK suggested that the report - 4,041
referred to the Finalice Committee, and then, °ay is
council had the reports of both committees, a
decide as to the propriety of doing as recommended'
This course was agreed to. 1;1
DREDGING THE NEW CUT. haft t!'111
The MAYOR stated that the first memorial he Otriteit
before the council was one of great importance, `;,-.1001 "•;e
deserving of their attention. It was a report the te•
surveyor, Mr. Lord, on the dredging operation in°` thrj
Cut, and was accompanied by plans. He had restedc
gr
port with great pleasure, and thought that it Indic
ability on the part of the surveyor. I Int
24
Marine Surveyor's Office, Apr; dpor,,
The marine surveyor has to report that the aretfili toy''
rations in the New Cut were continued from the f the' •
18th instant, when the tides no longer admitted 0 lot
cess being carried on during daylight. arof,elfile
In this interval the merits of the new dredges 9iiie di
by the committee were tested, and fully realised t the-dept,
surveyor's expectations of their efficiency, being 3 seCl oti•
time worked with the greatest ease without anYireiO
although on several days it blew hard from the
V' 4lie
01
and there was a heavy sea setting in.
were DO,.
285 the b
traverses
arof the
channelwith h
in a N. W.a ndt Se . E
dredgesdirection
over
period; and, from the turbid state of the watteiriiiinaleotl'./:;10(°1:
wake, the great strain on the steamer's towing 2 the
the grinding of the teeth of the dredges throur, thrt'o-o!•
the tremulous motion produced in the vessel fr°P.lcre tO.
cause, and the polished state of the teeth, which ``, whelbe
perfectly bright to a depth of ten or twelve inclie,s. 04,40'
dredges were hove 4ip, there can be no doubt tliat'vir.weto...,°
themselves in the sand to that depth, and, frifillost jh:lorh
nal insertion in the cross-beam of the dredge, 1" hiag",jef't":
the surface of the sand somewhat similar to a Pthat
on the land, tearing and ploughing up the sand tftheett• i
a considerable portion of which, independently °t
.h ofoy
is doubtless driven forth by the velocity of tile 'toil'. toitle,l
from the steamer's paddle-wheels, especially'
....ster
water, when there being only two or three feet", the :,-er,
the vessel's keel, the effect produced in agitatllo`.o( (tilt;
from the bottom, by the action of the paddles "Its
perceptible ; and as the tide during the late sPtlooloe4,l
quently running at a rate of four or five kn°t6tiol' it
channel, there can be little doubt that a great 'leered 10;
sand was carried over the bar into deep
time to subside. The tides during the above nr
also been particularly favourable for carrying °.;r•-"t ft;,
water Toio
ir
being the strongest and lowest of the present
_ry 4,,,5er
most favourable conjunctures for such 013',,e, titilo6•
marine surveyor submits herewith, for commit'• e o°.ritV.
water drawn from the surface in the vessel's w•-, eol,p,
ent days during the last quarter's ebb, and 50,1 T WiP
feet from the bottom over the dredges,_whic lutia°;,, toe
them to judge of the quantity of sand held in Ihe ;CeA 00 0
specimens of sand procured from the bar of it dried 1e
and from Little Burho Bank during the 61°,1 ad oil
late low springs. They appear to be identicalilat regoeceei
every reason to believe that all the banks
of similar formation. He may also remarkiti".triiti the •
et
evidently no stone, rock, or other hard substance fore it,
Cut, as the teeth f the dredges fully testify. lay b,ete slo,o'
In conclusion the marine surveyor has to the rill,. be of .
committee a plan on the scale of 12 inches to at or :Rey
ing the present state of the New Cut, and- t oce.,pt
Channel. Thepeneilled figures denote the •
of oce';011
water, the inked those found during the sirry ey tliew'stool.
last. The committee will perceive that, ere" leorephsly•
stage of proceedings, there arc eighteen inches red u sfoAl
the bar of the New Cut than on that of th rarreo',
That the shoalest part of the former is verY_,:eperiiag
ing every reasonable hope of success in a oli ettto, •
more. That it affords a straight course throab „slew `l„et,d,
that it offers one great advantage which the4—reaavry;
never possessed, viz., that the flood and ebb
contrarectly throug, so that a large ship, with af 1(4 a•
New Channel it not unfrequently
ing;ma boer bifacbkeneadhredd fillvleodultdhrdoruigrhe itth,
rio.fudgont:bivftabberiejagsb(lo.,firii,;;
happened arive.i.ot 'Cot
that a vessel had either to let go her anchor the
the flood and ebb stream setting directly over the
Little Burbo. The direct set of -tide throirgq the 'l,, loro,
also offers reasonable ground for thinking t,u4ogettfiredfoo;
once opened, may stand for many years.
.111 r
ing at the result of the.three weeks'
and the very favourable development of the Te`-'01017..e0
nel at a moment when the New Channel nnlr„sts say r[oji •
ceased to be navigable, the marine surveyor.c eve
.° 0,41:
mittee will think with him that much Ifejeat oic"ael,
effected in so short a space of time, and siinicore
late to renewed exertions. Even should not the chug ea:permit-T.le- teids.sii.,
plished, he would recommend the buoying ~(1.0,10 (it!ti be 14
• ever,l 0 de, r,
but he has no doubt that by persevering - water yol,'•
next month or two a still greater depth ofi
tained, and that the channel may be relit eraf tor
lighted, and buoyed off before the sPP
instant' 4
He recommenced operations on the 23d
rt.iac esa 0
'continuing them until the 3d of May. as I xlO3
The expenses up to the present date arc,
per last report ................. - • •,.• ' 0 o
SpiritsStea Ittoirereutrpostho presenterew. . . .
lbo
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(Signed) War. Loam
_, ma Coalfilitt
Alderman BENN stated that the Doe"

'tell the
iPplied Elm we
el to call
etltg the R or

Ltpepdi the surveyor to proceed with all expedition, and
ed tole.thit,ll with all the means in their power. They
ti 4„ on the council for part of the expense in
"n work.

;t, is tall
business
for XsD°'
,k in the
Action of
in cafe-
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t,
ceiver.
lee, that
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ii for the
that the
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be CO'
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from the
wanted,
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wantv._A,
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and CO9.

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fitter. from , MEMORIALS.
of '"-r• Edward Molyneux, president of the
keed.nsaries, was read, thanking the council for
•s. siihseric!to the application for the renewal of the
of one hundred guineas to the Dispen-
'
ro,°lt re
~,Ice„ ad a letter from Dr. Teff eys president of the
latio- 'nen of the Provincial; Merd.ieei'l, and Surgical
Hati'' requesting the use of the suite of rooms at. the
°II Thtirsd
• .erSazione aY, the 25th of July, for the dinner
ttioll both
.Or the Provincial, Medical, and Surgical
Ther°Pay t° be held on that day. The applicants
eguest "Pense that might be incurred.
1,04. ass
igiriapnxited.
d stated
of. VITRIOL.
4datikpraiinlo th t.ed that at the last council attention
klia"rcis sl?lPment of vitriol, and other goods
tjelllu,iridillonentan,ettlittcr7tvieonn.aityln the West India Dock act
bah' e shipment of such goods without notice
:11,1ause nin h they of £2O. It was the same in
bald Katherine's Dock acts. He suggested
might have passing through the
witOuld be introduced making it penal to ship
tit Zi4terits
(.7 givi Packages to the shipowner or master
the
. If the council approved
to the
which had been presented, it might be
14. p Join Conservancy Committee.—Agreed to.
• ilk telltstLx TUE TELEGRAPH.
egra,..l' Resented the following memorial relative
5 tilt' v" was very numerously and respectably
Ite clBhiPful the Mayor, .Aldermen,and Common
ttti, 4ttedhe;ilecirsi°!th,e Corporation of Liverpool
MO the tr"eu merchants, shipowners, and others
Itc of the ort, have for a number of years
ktittilloicauh ritit,hi "It and valuable information from the tele-
ihead, cation which has existed between Liverpool
andof Lie been so ably managed under the superin-
the reetot ant Watson.
Nqt' kettatige which has been made in this esta-
iklinalci,jeq it is rendered a private instead of a pub-
°e ,is found to be most unsatisfactory, and
'414 hlifilliP)lrwenience to the community at large only
bia,°etnatLqg its great object in the distribution of' nau-
tti Nth 'un•
to,,,kidt gh la,
toit r the 8h of your memorialists, being subscrib-
n4w fre„,n,evw arrangement are enabled to obtain in-
i,„,;(l.lle elegraph-offic'e respecting vessels wherein
Pletr; utere,la,elY concerned; yet there are numbers of
li/Itreal deb "`ed in shipping coming to the port who are
ter arred from all such information, as well as a
184 . h
614 ti"fi ed '4; er of persons resident in the town more or
rtielk,'th the shipping interest
,;tltoellittejtlists consider that all *works embracing the
of Nt et: ,4" of such general utility as.the Telegraph,
th;wk 441 i, btcted under the control and superintendence
eir,hvo tett)", and they cannot conceive that the saving
nitutl!and a ar ought to weigh agEnn,st
tio°tlr , with t,,et an establishment which is so pecului,ly
er ' safety of both person and property.
4:Nr fists therefore respectfully bring this subject
;fitheq:ilite;4le ideration, in the hope that it may lead to
teitdue4fit, t (It bY which the desired object can be attained,
golyhe-`atelygraphie communication between this
[HerelY secured to the public. '
rBatioofollow the signatures.]
ilbeti, other ensued upon the subject ; but as Alderman
ett ten tb members stated that a negociation was pend-
thNiNtoe •-"c'ek Committee and Mr. Watson on the
wasrpg the Telegraph to its former state, which
Odin: to terminate satisfactorily, as they
etr„"Lerference from other sources might have a
rNr"slt! the et' the memorial was allowed to lie on the
%old it)llstinct understanding that the subject of its
tit,l,ll!.ll,a„cotle,,,.?,Pen for discussion at a future period.
d!k
h, h'abote HILL'S SYSTEM OF POSTAGE.
*tv"Nent had given notice of a motion, " That
thF
()fed to parliament in favour of Mr. Rowland
I'll. 'kr 4taf stage," but in consequence of the lateness
the absence of Mr. R., the subject was post-
klll,e
Pat 4, Nhie :ENSION OF THE MARKETS.
j,4ld eaten et on the list of notices had reference to con-
,ir" for tiver,-31.°118 of the markets. '.lt was that " orders
Ptiblte as tO the squares and parts of streets to
.be
4,14t0h,,id Inarket places and for the sorts and species
hloftN, ?visions only for which the same respectively
vere pre'll order to the legal setting out with exten-
tkEtr,aiN Bent market places "
nltnitt
't
''CLEItK moved-that it should he referred to the
pro to make the necessary orders.—Agreed to.
`4e 'tak IPosed that the removal of the Haymarket
Nttlei into consideration at the same time.
uroke up at half-past three.

...111111.11MME11•11011Nam....-
tli
11 E NEN"; WHIG DICTIONARY.
b4D:d )); 0,4, Russell, Esq., F.R. S. , and A. S. S. . Pub-
'4l .4e)1111 Cupid, Lansdown, Dan, and Littlejohn,
higitteet, Loin and Merton-square,
S'ntiSly d„l°4B work has evidently been taken in handbby..
Ztilikoi;-`entined to overcome old prejudices and
1,71)nkell(1-1,..s We are informed that the present Govern-
]yeitilif" bestow pensions upon the authors, editors,e
at t th'rs' We give a few extracts, by whichtelit. IN ill b
eiriatAriatP.°rk is decidedly- of a popular charac .
1,,,'-ikli-°„11.----Robbing Peter to pay Paul. .
hsePell and honest way to cheat your, friends.
.4111,3tt je,,B from both, and with good resolution
A ry^Vne Whig, and get absolution.—Father Dan
for* conscience instead of a thousand*
4,ltilitlitt,;;Always bullying never fighting.—Dan.
f,(4lsi'sr figr. Always lying when it suits . purpose,
Nftlet. A'''ling that which you have promised.
`itck select a ointment for yourself and a dozen
Eialsre "
Rtl-,ili:itim-n•--Sonnd argument.
°4l "el'ts.---Marks to aim at.
Yttait;The full enjoyment of every bad passion with-
* ai-Me/bun Exacting servitude withoutp
aited Slaver • ) This is enjoyed to the greatest
ypm Land of Liberty," America—the largest
~tl.xselllai'l,g...._eutulluitgrgyinign the world.—Robbuk.
men till they cannot stand.—Hobbus
11),,t 4t ~,,"ition of man, wife, and children, when suffering
'54 4Ny. 4ne of poverty.—Broom.
\4
hf)t 1-Teheating when you are not-.seen, lying when
14J'I'Sitileard, and stealing when it suits your purpose.
dllie,'ktiee lb" of all the Whig Authors.
the' 'ttia. eing forced to pay. that which you owe.. .
''ts„„tke.4,le•--The act of placing all your own relatives in
tabl°Ffices, they being, as a matter of course, the
If i•-•
I'4 gailu had fifteen places,
''(;'`a't vial them with the fifteen gra-ces.—Gray.,
1,141,1111i-' reedomfrom all taxes, rates, and rent, (except
*.-Preedom for yourself, and despotism for
\lkii;el..;"estruction to the throne, and downfall to the
Vtii.'ruth, when written or spoken against yourself.
ne Wild justice of revenge.—Dan.
li 44 eeeer you see cross-bones and skull,a. B
'tt,444api.) larder the inmate."—Pope Daniel s
.0
4t4'.1-13PliatIoll•—Giving money for that which it was
\I I'll prepare a confiscation,
Nit, /Lilt give me the appropriation.—Duntion.
P careille violation of laws, both human and divine.
l'h 110 more for a nation's moral,
lan'tall I do for Lady Flora's quarrels.—Melbubn.
hGia 9e er f e deafening plaudits of a ragged rab le.
tZ°lll the mob would gain his fame,
,11,(14,90t ~,,,"101 and religion should loudly declaim.—Humo.
"ewho sells his vote at the highest price,
,f,:or L. etg th an
people's money ;but
e largest amount of the
(Ik eauutry's ood
11bi!c.p.--alkitt.guarangtee which you intend to break.—Humo.
I,l4hjiltt
for the cant of public faith ?—Dan co.
°Nis, .9' bad thing for others, but good for yourself,
110,4, s pills in large doses.
uedi 3 subject I won't mention—. _
"1" from a statesman's pension.— Lanesdown.
toIZA thing never to be answered, and unparlia-
P,lteli rl/4
lat,tioh
,Person to dine with.—M:elbun.
."--rhe upset of Protestantism, and the set-up of
iNt
ANN--; Levelling every existing institution to make
114(1.'IS'sq4Iiie41;.Zbew experiments.—Littlejohn.
e,krte, d 'Accomplished, tender-minded, scrupulous,
,nerk gentlemen—Hoic.—Awkward animals to ma-
liteletirMlosed to you.—Melbun.
rti•ttio-.1,A1l addition to your own pension, caused by
iroin others' salaries.—Broom.
cp„
'llea of H. The meaning. of this word is unknown to the
ai"clipaut. `"e work. They can merely define it—being
h,
intin commissioners at £2OOO per
't;tv,74ll)-' tort-ling papwolv clerks at £lOO per annum.
1-44---AnY ma'il who can talk loud and long with
414e,e11,11igh to indo all that wise men have done.
'e}phnted.-1--Any thing you will not do.
Ligs_ , Justice Refused.—Melbun.
rei,411(4,-4, bloody and brutal set of men.—Dan.
i401ey,1.,--SPenilling five farthings to save three.—Hump.
Wfr-A- place to make money.
[\\;, yo„e,n, You're on making money bent,
t " u better go to Parliament.—Cupid.
.the
definitionof
tile authors, but they were obliged to submit to t.]

ttlitlbt "*.'""...-......_____„..........________
hlll4 itti. r?,.? ,C OUNT 11, s RAILWAY.—The following is the
4rif'le 'el'orn of the quantity of earth-work executed,
ok.;tltober of men, horses, and engines employed on
al4 arch to°l the IVlidland Counties Railway, from the 23d
411.'‘leob• the 20th of April, 1839 :—Earth-work executed,
111 il ent,l° Yards ; number of men, 5071; numberof horses,
4ttreZe.s three locomotive and one stationary ; being
ct‘qh.; la the number of men of 582, and in the quantity
brkt of"' of 139,000 yards during the last month. One
liNl4 the line is finished.
tthitt kill 4". o CONTINENTAL SCENERY COMPARED.—
qqllet,
of that I retract all former opinions on the alleged
,Nt; 4 gronglish scenery. In fact, having now journeyed
Ode
t1111:11e,17:1 Part
loften asked myself what
of the island,
1 " adto• (Pontry of equal extent may compete with it
tl):krieti 'ration of the traveller ? We have not, I admit,
for 4d ever- lowin-, tint of a southern sun—the only
tittrell iwsitich 1 would again wish to travel ; but w. e have..
kh Pe 4 • and woodland scenery, which the South of
,they 4. „ziere?ffers.; we have, moreover,. bold mountainous
'''l4, e to L 'en districts, recurring more frequently than
:tri 'r iti '-' Met with on the continent. France, the ugliest
,4thaware rho world in the eyes of every foreigner, will, 1
-ritt e tot ' claim itself super-eminently. beautiful. But,
illtav bilmttyl'Y are of claim
Frenchman, a beautiful country and a rich
tglie„ of a otillnous terms :he has no conception. of the
414trf• WV landscape that does not flow with milk and
l'c't4 II
of a'r"e his admiration for his drearily-expanding
h:31§1,1 try
of
_able land. With few exceptions, the picturesque
, the I France is restricted to the South of the Garonne
It'otiakslel„ to'setrLe_, in.clu.ding, also, Auvergne. Germany offers
eq loci "t admiration of a Dr. Syntax ; for, excepting
..11411,7?Ileet 411.(Itted between the Tyrolean Alps and the Danube,
ttlit Ldre,,,, that might not vie with the most inencte-
11iniltrtue,7,..e and.uninteresting corn regions of France : while
i 'le ~,dy „ P.,ladi of Bavaria, corresponding with that of
hNl'44lpl/4- gie OPposite side,of the Alps, has not even the
l>'ie the- Tad the straggling vines of the latter country to
.ttliot retleePY traveller. -Having crossed the Alps, we
114. lat of ti, It t 9 prove the superiority of English scenery ~,t‘ Llitit Lie Netherlands, Holland, Prussia, or even Po-
`l(i ''ida maY ask what are natural beauties of thefluviorum
t,, Ivo., . 47.1., ? _
..
0 ]'rent, were 48, those to whom the rivers of a.more gigan-
tN t. 11 re unknown roudl termed their mountain
sweeps, it is true, through a r
th.it 41'1 for ae.„l:° ' P y
rich fertile
), . ,lists b... • thrtiense distance from its Alpine source ; but
ItliklitshniYfrlasintlealtr, and would be most tame were ir not for tieTtr‘_ e t
_.
.. 1 ork of the out Alps and Appenines, ,1144 Y • th"'"omard-Venetian territory nothing can be more
t the ere, the
bed of the river is some twenty feet higher.
111. N thtirround*
I) etlgh -e top tng country, while towering banks restrain
t& t de,... Of the ridge of sand or gravel which it has
tql;k4l4 Thor e Conowntith, it, and which form its constantly rising
1. L stone
II , on each side, is subdivided by immense
•AL ...tad ..k; wil.; ,
Pie ' "t 1 tl
,t,, each 1.. iro
ten have been gathered from the surface of
tieliteet kiod ; b wn together in lines which serve to sepa-
st,z, ly cover ut so wide are these stone fences, that they
e"Thioh,L tflore ground than is contained in the en-
`"eY surround.— The cosmopolite England.