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, 4otdci not Mist attending, also, to a constueration
thrown out by his Honorable Friend, of the danger
that injury would be done to the Establishment. They
ought, above all things, to be cautious of introducing
any cause which might, b 1 possibility, be productive
of injury to it.. Ah, he knew too well bow
many dangers to religion lay that way! Oh! how
many men were there in the country that wished to
see the Establishment destroyed! and.why should that
House do anything out of which any consequence
would arise capable of furthering their malicious de-
signs? It had been generally said, that her Majesty
was prayed for in the Methodist Chapels: and he
(A!lr.• Wilberforce) could say, that, so tar as his own
inquiries went, they rather confirmed the report.—
The benefit of the Church ought then to be the ob-
ject of the deepest concern to the House and to the.
Country, for he believed that it was the best chart.
nel that could be desired for transmitting from age
to age the pure faith of CHRIST, and its doctrines
bad been sealed by the blood of some of its most
glorious pillars—(Hear, lear).—Even the Dissenters
derived advantages from its existence, for it preserved
both the purity of their Ministers and their doctrine.
He thought that true dignity, policy, and true mag-
nanimity, prescribed the course he was now recom-
Mending to the House, and should they agree with
Win, he was sure that Ministers would not be slow in
adopting their opinions. He thought it was not fair
or jut that the House should form or act upon any
opinion drawn from a consideration of the evidence,
since it was not fairly brought before them, and espe-
cially
since it was not regarded as an adequate ground
for the passing of the Bill. No one was to suppose,
that by conceding to this motion, he was giving any
opinion upon the guilt or innocence of the Queen.—
, Tie was not sanguine in the belief that the Measure
would restore tranquillity and content to the country,
but he believed that it would take away many of the
causes of irritation amongst the People, as well as
some of the best means of the mischievous for, the
promotion of their wicked designs—(Hear). Peace—
peace, he was desirous of having,. and hence it was
that he supported this motion. It was reasonable that
that House ought to yield to the strongly-expressed
opinion of the People; and if ever there was an
occasion when their strong and even deliberate sense
was expressed, it was this—(l/ear, hear). They
viewed the matter in quite a different light from the
Members of that House; and, instead of calling upon
them to yield up their opinions, the House ought to
descend to the level of the People, and take up the
matter as they had done. For nothing more did he
(Mr. Wilberforce) admire that great Statesman, Mr.
Pitt, than for the readiness with which he yielded up
his opinion to the expressed sense of the People. But.
in so doing he acted wisely, for he knew the. import-
once of having the People's confidence—(Hear, hear).
He knew that unanimity was necessary at the junc-
ture, and he was persuaded, also, that he ought to
endeavour to prevent the well-meaning part of the
People from being the dopes of the designing.--
It was upon these considerations Mr. Pitt acted when
he made up his mind to treat for Peace. He would
have been glad to go on with the contest; but, when
he saw the People against it, he yielded to them, and
unequivocally avowed the cause of-the alteration in
his sentiments. He (Mr. Wilberforce) would wish to
see this wise conduct thought worthy of being imi-
tated with regard to this particular question ; for he
,feared that when other branches of the great subject
passed away, and ceased to operate on the public
mind, this would be renewed in the recollection of
the People every Sunday—(Hear)—and he feared
that the evil consequences would be so many, and so
distressing, that the Parliament would regret they
had not removed the cause before. He wished, before
he sat down, to declare that he conceded to this motion
not from any wish to confer dignity or honour on the
Queen, but it was because the People did not deem
it to be a mark of favour, but very properly said•
that politics had nothing to do with religion; and he
supported it above all, because he was satisfied that
the vast majority of the People would be pacified.—
The Hon. Gentleman sat down amid loud cheering.
Mr. S. WORTLEY felt obliged at last to differ
from his Hon. Friend (Mr. Wilberforce); and, after
listening to the opinions of his Constituents and the
People, it was his duty to declare, that he must vote.
tor the exclusion of the Queen's name from the Li-
turgy. The People were certainly of another opinion
generally; but he believed that arose from a false
impression that she had a right to have her name in
the Church Service. If he could be but convinced
that she had that right, he would vote for 'this mo-
tion. Though there might not be facts sufficient to
found a verdict of guilty against her Majesty, yet
enough had been incontestibly proved to warrant
him in not voting for the insertion of her name in the
Liturgy ; though he thought, as he didln 1812, that
there were such things in the treatment which the
Queen bad received, that could not be justified.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) rose, amid coughing,
and cries of " Question." He expressed his surprise
that the Honourable Member for Bramber should be
supporting a motion in the very teeth of that with
which he had himself come forward on a fcrmer oc-
casion. The truth was, there must be a giving way ;
and if the Queen, who was in the wrong, would not
give way, then, thought the Honourable Member for
oramber, the Crown, which is in the right, must—
that's all—(Hear, and laughter). The Honourable
Member's principle (continued Mr. Martin) puts me
in mind of a little matter which happened in my
country—(Laughter). A friend of mine committed
a great outrage upon somebody one night, and next
morning he came to me—" What will I do?" said
he, 4. You are the wrong doer, and, to be sure, you'll
make an apology," said 11 But 3 he would not make
any concession at all. Well:2-the friend of the injured
party, as a man of honour should do, waited on me:
" Your friend is in the wrong, and he'll apologise,"
says he !—" Faith, you may make a riddle of *hi&
body, but devil of any apology you'll get from him,"
said I! " But what's to be done ?" said he. "That's
what I don't know," said I! " Matters have gone so
far; we'll never get out without an apology some
way." " I tell you again—says I—apology my
friend will make none." " Oh, then,' faith I have it
—says he—if your friend won't apologise; to be sore
mine shall, and that will be just the same thing you
know I"—(Cheers and laughter).—Mr. Martin con-
cluded by dissenting from the motion. •
Mr. LENNA RD contended, that. the 'prerogative
of the Crown had been drawn in tb complete the ex-
traohlinary treatment which the Queen had received.

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It would not be diffi cult to isiete to hirii; why the
Queen's name should be restored to the Liturgy by
those Ministers who were the ancient friends of her
Majesty' But he had •no doubt that the time was
lot tar distant when those Ministers would be obliged •
to bend to titiblic opinioni
Mr. WILMOT did not doubt that the Honourable
Member had bronght forward this motion in the
spirit of peace and conciliation t and the Honourable
Member for Brambet (Mr. Wilbertorce., had fol-
lowed him in the sato( strain, though he expressed
himself as wishing the (Veen 's name restored to
the Liturgy, on account of popular opinion, and
not because she was wwrthy of any mark of favour.
On the-subject of the American war, the late Mt.
Burke differed from his Constituents ; and. in an-

swer to their advice to him to vote in a certain way,
hinting that the universal feeling lay that way, he
said, I cannot attend to the advice you give me; I
must not look to the passions of to-day. If you
would have me for your Representative, 1 will be in
this House as a pillar of the State, not as a weather-
cock of versatility.". So much did Mr. Burke perse-
Sere in his contempt for what was termed public opi- .
nion; and so obstinate was he in refusing to-be turned
aside from his duty by its clamour, that the people .
of Bi istol elected another in his stead. The House
would better do its duty, and skew itself a litter Re-
presentative of the sound opinions of the Pool le (A
laugh) by acting more from itsjudgment, than by
succumbing to the public feelings. He hoped this
House would never make itself the register of ail the
fleeting changes of- public opinion—(Hear).
Mr. MAR RyArr supported the motion, on reli-
gious and political grounds. The omission of the
Queen's name from the Liturgy was, of all others,
the most improper mode of marking the sense which
Ministers had of her supposed guilt. Of all persecu-
tions, religious persecution was the most abominable
(Hear, hear). He woulet not have the pulpit made
the theatre of political enmities—(Hear, hear). Suds
too was the general feeling on the subject; and all the
effervescence in the public mind might be traced to
this single measure. The Public, though they may
reason wrong, in general feel right. They think it
was an injustice to omit her name the first day, and
they feel it is an oppression so long as it is continued.
So long as it continued to be omitted, the efferves-
cence would not subside. It was to this all her popu-
larity was owing, and if he was her enemy, he would
immediately restore her name, for then her popularity
would cease. But then the great objection was a
point of honour; to him, however, there appeared
to be more honour in relaxing than in persevering in
a wrong course--,(Hear, hear). It was said to be a
party question, and that the removal of Ministers was
involved in it. He denied that ; it by no means fol-
lowed, that if Ministers were left in a minority, they
were to be turned out, for the same consequences
ought to have followed on the Property Tax, and .
other questions. The Honourable Member concluded
by giving the motion his support.
Lord MILTON, in answer to the allusions of the
Hon. Member for Newcastle (Mr. Wilmot), shewed-
that it was not because Mr. Burke differed from the
People of Bristol on the American war alone that he
lost his seat, but he differed also from them on the
Catholic Question, and very many other great ques-
tions. Mr. Burke then certainly had the manliness
to say, that in legislating on these core tions he did:
not consider himself so much the Representative of
Bristol as of the Nation at large. An addressing
!louse of Commons was sneered at ; but he appealed
to Burke, who gave it as his opinion, that it would be
wise in this House always to add its prayers to the.
general expressed prayers of the People at large.
Sir T. ACLAND had no objection that this House
should join its voice to the 1 rayers of the People to
the Throne, if, indeed, those pra) ers were known to
speak the unanimous sentiments of the People at
large. The Petitions of a part, however, and a part.
too, very incapable of forming a correct judgment,
were not to be taken for the whole. The Petitions
lately laid on the table seemed but the remains of an
unsettled feverish state, in which the public mind had'
long been. He did not deny but this might have aiisen
Originally from good causes and generous feelings.—
He felt regret at differing froM the Hon. Member for
Bramber, but he wondered a man could admit the
inexpediency of a measure, when he knew he could
not comply with it without an impropriety. This
motion was not only an imerposition by the House,
but it was an actual assertion that a certain course
ought to have been taken. After the notoriety of the
proceedings in the other House—proceedings which
were conducted with all the gravity and forms oft
justice—(Hear, hear!)—it was not too much to say,"
that a great majority of the Queen's Judges recog-
nised by their vote the sense which they entertained
of the truth of the charges preferred against her.
Under such circumstances, then, how could the House
call on the Crown to bestow an act of grace or fa-
vouron the Head of the Female Society of this king-.
dom ?—(Hear, hear). Perhaps, as an individual, he
would agree with the Noble Lord (Hamilton), that.
the omission of her name was inexpedient and ill--
advised, in the first instance ; but he was far from
, saying that the ste9 ought to be now recalled. With
regard to this motion tending to the restoration of
peace, he joined issue on that head with the Honour.
able Member for Bramber. Should the House coft.-
cede now, it would by no means put an end to the
agitation of the question, for they should look a
little further, and see whether similar requests would'
not be laid before them on the same. subject?--
Could the House say, if they interfered itl this point
of the Liturgy, that she would not be requiring their
interposition on the subject of her Palaces, and still
more if a Coronation should take place, a thing of
all others the most likely to excite popular feelings
(Hear, hear). The House could not with any grate
refuse acceding to ler future requests, if they pledged
themselves by this. There was another party in this
case—that party wps the country ; and that House
owed it to the country and to every virtuous leasale
in it to resist the present motion—(Hear, hear).
Sir JOHN NEWPORT contended that, on every
principle of law, the abandonment of the late Bill
by the HOuse of Lords left the Queen in *the same
situation as if no charge had ever been made again t
her ;
.and as to a Bill of ,Pains :and Pemilties, such a
thing should never be thought °fa, unless the saie y
of the State made it absolutely necessary. As to the
question then before the House, it would be a 'cleera
dation to the Church of England if the Queen's name
were left out of the Service of that Church. (Tara ese;•

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