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Intions.to the.Comroittee, And would propose that the
IBill should be brought in on Tuesday, printed, and
the second reading be fixed for Monday senuight.--
The Right Hon;Gentleman proceeded to. read .his
Resolutions. • The first Resolution referred to the
Laws how in force, as regarded the oaths required to
be taken by Roman Catholics, to qualify them for,
holding civil or military employment. The third'
Resolution referred more particularly to the Oath of
Supremacy, and declared that such parts of that oath
'as regarded transubstantiation, the Virgin Mary, the
adoration of images, &c. should be considered as spe-
culative doctrines, and as not affecting the allegiance
to the Sovereign; especially as the oath declared,
that no foreign Prince or Potentate had any controul
in this realm, either temporal or spiritual. The fourth
Resolution said, as difficulties had arisen respecting
the term Spiritual Jurisdiction, it was declared that
this term should be construed as it was construed by
the Ist and 4th of Elizabeth, and by the 39 Articles.
The fifth Resolution declared the expediency of taking
care to enact such restrictive clauses, and make such
reservations as should secure the succession to the
Throne to a Protestant Prince.
11 Mr. PEEL said lie would not now oppose the
Speaker's leaving the Chair, understanding as he did
that these Resolutions were only tendered pro, forma,
but he felt it his duty also to say, that, as well as lie
could collect the Resolutions from his hearing them,
he wasalecidedly hostile to them. He should oppose
them in a manly manner, but, he trusted, with cool-
nest ana temperance. He would also suggest, that
although the question had now been carried for in-
quiry, there was no certain grounds of triumph.—
The question for going into a Committee had been
carried on a former occasion by a larger majority than
on the present occasion, and still the Bill was lost in
a COMmittees Called on as he wl,, however, to op-
pose this measure by a conscientious sense of duty,
he should still, as he had already said, oppose it with
coolness and temper, ana in such a manner as, if the
Bill was carried, should prevent jealousy on the part
of the Protestants, and, if it was rejected. should give
I no grounds for irritation on the part of the Catholics.
Sit G. lIILL declared his decided opposition to the
Bill. He considered the time named as too short ;
he thought on. so important a question as this, there
ought to be a: Call of the House ; and, if no other
Member moved it he would.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT regretted that the Right
Ron. Baionet . should have. expressed . himself so
warMly. Ike lamented that the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had not followed the coarse taken by the Right
Hon. Gentleman who preceded him.
Mr. MONTAGUE declared he would oppose the
Bill in every stage.
Lord MILTON wished to know whether, as the
Hon. Baronet intended to move the Call of the House
for the second reading, he would oppose the first?
Sir G. HILL said, he would not ; but gill he urged
the time fixed to be too short.

.Borough; but .he feared 'there was a radical
diffe-
mace between.Ninsulf and the Honourable General.
He should move to omit the words ten pounds, and
TO insert twenty pounds.
Mr, P. COUR 11ENAY admitted the respectability
of the lower orders ; but be was not clear that their
happiness would be promoted by the extension of the
right of sari age. The Eioctors of Westminster had
been grossly calumniated, if, on former Elections,
corrupt practices had not been resorted to. lie should
support the amendment.
Mr. H. GURNEY was in favour of the mode of
voting by scot and lot in the particular case of Leeds,
though he did not approve of the principle generally.
Mr. BARING said, that 4sl this was the first in-'
stance that had come before the House, the precedent
about to be established became of great importance.
Though property ought to feral a considerable ele-
ment in the principle of represent on, yet it ought
to be qualified by the principle of population. A
scale might be graduated, from ElO upwards, giving
one vote to a proprietor of £lO, and more votes as
the scale of property increased--(Cries of Hear, hear,
and No, nal—Though in the case of Westminster
and Southwark there might not have been a great
expenditure of money, there had been an ample ex-
penditure of nonsense—(Hear)—as men talked there
in a manner they would do nowhere else—(Hear,
and laughter)—for every one knew that a person who
presented hintself as a Representative for either of
those places must talk nonsense—(Near)—particu-
larly if he were the popular candidate, and which lie
would be ashamed to hear afterwards in any other
place--( Hear, hear, and laughter).—He must talk not
as if he were addressing himself to Gentlemen, or to
persons of common sense—(Hear)—
Sir ROBERT WILSON rose to order.—He had
never addressed, nor could he stoop to address lan-
guage to his constituents of which he would be ashamed
to be reminded in another place—(Cheers).—lf the
Honourable Gentleman would ever attend Meetings
where the Honourable Members he (Mr. Bating} had
alluded to, spoke to their Electors, lie might have
ample opportunity to correct his opinion—(Hear).
Mr. BARING disclaimed any allusion to any in-
dividual, either to the I-lon. Baronet, the Member for
Westminster—(Hear, hear)—or the gallant General
who sat for Southwark. He was more inclined to
vote for the principle of E.W.
Mr. C. CALVERT bore testimony to the disin-
terested conduct of the electors of Southwark. No
application, during the five contested elections which
he had stood for that borough, had ever been made
to him for the payment of rates or taxes--( Cheers).
Lord MILTON wished the amendment to be with-
drawn, as he intended to move that all restrictions
should be removed. The Hon. Member (Mr. Stuart
Wortley) might move his amendment in a future
stage. It was more agreeable tethe ancient Consti-
tution that Leeds should be made a scot and lot
borough.- Nothing could shew more clearly the

Mr. BRIGHT considerei thetime fixed as too short.'
Sir G. HILL said, he should certainly move the
Call of the House for the second reading.
Mr. H. SUMNER thought a full attendance on
this subject most important ; but he trusted the Right
Hon. Member would not persist in fixing his second
reading for Monday week, when many Gentlemen
would be attending 'their duty at the Assizes.
Mr. PLUNKETT was desirous of accommodating
Gentle ..en as tar as possible, and was not bigotted
to any particular day. He, however, suggested the
great incor.venience and evil whith would arise from
keeping this important question in suspense to agi-
tate the public mind.
Mr. W. WYNN hoped the Riglit I-lon. Gentleman
would not give way. It was the duty of Gentlemen
to attend their duty in Parliament without consider-
ing any other duty; if this question was put off till,
every Member was able to attend, it would not be
disposed of during the present Session.
Lord CASTLEREAL:I4 suggested this day fort-
night for the second reading.
Mr. PLUNKETT said, he was ready to accede to

fancies that even sensible men were sometimes apt to
entertain, than the graduated scale of his, lion.
Friend (Mr. Baring), for multiplying the number of
votes that a wealthy man might give.
Mr. BARING.—" Up to four !"—(Levedet).
Mr. S. WORTLEY had no Ob4ectiort to withdraw
his motion for the amendment.
Mr. W. 'WYNN stated, that if the amendment of
the Noble Lord should he carried, there would be no
opportunity of putting the amendment of the Hon.
Member for York hire.
After a few words from the Coat It MA LI,
Lord MILTON moved, that the words " at the
sum of" should be left oir, which would have the
effect of doing away all restrictions.
• Lord ALTHORPE thouffit it would be improper
to lay down any one exclusive system of voting, as
extremely unconstitutional. By extending the right
of voting as widely as possible, much discontent
would be removed. He, after much consideration,
was inclined to a reform in the mode of returning
Members to that House, and should vote for the
amendment of the NobleLo.ll (Milton).
Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, disapproving of every
part of the Bill, would support the increase proposed
in the amount of the qualification. Without inquiring
whether the imputations thrown out against the Elec-
tors of Southwark and Westminster were true or not,
he could not help observing, that the opinions of the
Honourable Members for those places, and perhaps
he might add for Middlesex also, were not usually in
accordance with those of the generality of the House.
He had good authority for saying, that one of the
Ilanking•houses in Leeds contemplated the removal
lof its Establishment, if this Bill passed into a law—
(Name!).—Under existing circumstances he did not
think it safe to name, nor would it be safe for the
Gentry of Leeds to petition against the Bill.
Mr. LOCKHART was against the mode of voting
upon the principle of scot and lot. He was for some
moderate qualification that would confer the right of
voting ; and the sum of £lO seemed to meet the ex-
pediency of the case.
Sir R. WILSON reminded the Committee, that in
Southwark the voters were inhabitant householders,
paying scot and lot. With regard to what had fallen
from the Hon. Member for Galway on the subject of
the Representatives for Westminster and Southwark,
he could onl ply, that he (Mr. M.) was oneof those

this proposition.
After a few words from Lord A. HAMILTON, the
House went into a Committee.
Mr. PLUNKETT proposed his Resolutions, which
were agreed to.
The house resumed; the Report was received, and
Mr. PLUNKETT moved for and obtained leave
to bring in a Bill founded thereon. •
Sir G. HILL then moved, that the House should
be called over this day fortnight.
Mt. ABERCROMBIE hoped this motion would
not be ;speed to without dueconsideretion. It must
be believed, that on tins important question no Mem-
ber would wantonly absent himself from his duty.—
To enforce a Call now could only operate most vexa-
tiously on Members placed in particular situations.
Colonel BAGWELL said, it would operate vexa-
tiously, without proving effective; as even if the Call
should be fixed for this day fortnight, the Irish Mem.
bars would not have time to arrive from Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
desirous to have as full an attendance-as possible on
this occasion; but, at the same time, he thought fur-
ther delay should not take place.
The Call of the House was then flied for this day
formisla.

GRASIPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL. , Ci y reply,
The House then went into a Committee on the "whose praise h censure, aoil whose censures raise !" •
Grampound Disfranchisement Bill. Mr. MARTIN said, that he rose to explain, not to
Mr. STUART WORTLEY said, this Bill had for apologise to the Hon. General. What he asserted its
its object to transfer the franchise from Grampound the House be would assert anywhere. In what he bad
to Leeds. To that he would not object. He was stated he did not mean either to criticise or to censure.
also most anxious to give to Leeds a popular and nu- Mr. BBOGDEN reminded the Hon. Gentleman,
merous suffrage; yethe must object to that clause of that the Member for Horsham (Mr. Hurst), had first
the Bill which fixed the qualification of a voter at caught his eye, and ought to have precedence, es-
£lo a-year. He considered the qualification as fixed cepting for explanation--(Order / Chair
too low, and should, in a future stage of the Bill, Mr. MARTIN contitused, that be would strictly
propose an.-amendment, that the qualification should confine himself to explanation, though he thought
be 1:20 instead of £lO zental. that a Gentleman was entitled to some indulgence in
Lord MILTON was rather in favour of making this respect, who bad been told that his praise was
the Borough a Scot and Lot Borough, and not censure, and his censure praise) It was the easiest
naming any specific qualification. and the safest thing in the world for a man to bra-
Sir ROBERT -WILKIN stated the conduct of the 'rail° in the House of commons: he had no such in..
Electors of Westminster to be most pure and honour- tension : be felt kindly towards the gollant General,
able. In the Borough that be represented, the first and if he had meant to-affront bins, he would have
contest had not cost more than £7OO, and in the last, chosen a different place for doing so.
the expense had only amounted to 000. This was Mr. HIJIXST adverted to what had beim aim
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a Scot and Lot Borough ; and the facts spoke for former occasions on the disfranchisemeut of Be-
themselves. He hoped the Member for Yorkshire rotighs: those Bills uniformly gave the right of voting,
would withdraw his opposition. to freeholders of 40s. He was strongly in favour a
Mr. STUART AIaBILEX meant nethihs disre- ,the amendment togiye the tiibt of voting to, 4 *be
Inc tfu I either to the Panora of Westminster or dsaipaid scot sad lot.