Star.
London, England, 1829-04-14 00:00:00

ENING, APRIL 14; 1829.

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TUESDAY\

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IMPERIAL PARLlAbfirat,

Mr. W. HORTON slid that ',Woes remedies had been devised
for the distress of the country, and one which he k.d suggested. ►ed
been characterised by the Honourable Member is a most scanda-
ls.' maser. •
Tbe Bramtes caned the Hsu. Member to order.
Mr. W. HORTON said w=as sorry for bating transgressed
the rules of the House ; if he ha{ done M it Ives for the brie time
is hi. life. He alluded to loose rensarts made by Mr. Seidler es
the fkolgration Cormaktee. in his book se Ireland.
Mr. SA DLIR milk did not r rodennand the subject to

HOUSE OF LORDS. Ann. 13.
The Royal assent was given. at half.pret tow o'clock. by Qfw-
"shim. to the Roman Catholic Bast 7/1. aid the Potty &Min
Freeholders' Distraachleement all. The lards Commissioners
were. the Lem CUANCIBUAR, kid Rameast. sod Lord Zum-
NOUOINIII. •
The Royal moot was taco eve* tads* inskZadaßill,
densoiry Bill. the Scotch Creditors' Bill, the , &upends&
Borchert* Bill, and to thirty private Bills.
Hr. H. Damsons and several ether Members of the Horne of
Coomens. brought up the /ketch Sessions Bill. which was read a
Brat time.
Rarl PITZWILLI All presented a Petition from certain inha-
lants of Wicklow is favour of Catholic Breancipatios.—The
does which caused conaiderable laughter. was hid en the table.-
Lordi FA NAHA bf asked leave to inter his pretest se their
Lordship's Numb against the. Roman Catholic Relief 818 to;1
morrow.—Learn
arn.aiss or Ni. sesosarus.
The Ral of CLA RCA STY then rose to make his primis4
matinn that there @Amid be laid before the Hem a copy or mph*
of referrinr or references to any mom or surgeons. or arty afefli•
cal MIN respecting the health of Roes WDoenell, under the di-
rection of this Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. The case or Mr. Do
WUenoell. a Gentleman who was employed as the Agent of the
Romeo Catholic Asseclatiso, was as follows c—Mr. W Donnell, in
October. 111$6, benedved that he might raise himself is the opinion
of his employers 4t apase„distothances could be got up Is that port
of the country when he way. * disturbance took place; the Blot
Act was reed, and the meeting dispersed. Oa the following day
be gittaskeiabi rem Midbffestes who were enrolled in patting
Awry the rise. and ins lied then, in a most offensive manner. A

exactly •
which the Hatoorable Member . alluded ; bat whenever it "slintild
he fairly brought forward, he should be prepared to enter into a
discussion with the Honourable Member.—The Petition was then
laid an the table.
Mr. G. 0. 1100111 preeestod a Petition from the Silk Weavers
of Debi*, coleglaining of greet distress. The Hon. Condemns
west lots a comperative state of the silk trade in former years, tad
tit peneeet la Dahlia. He said, that the silk artisans were in a
Mate efeemplete dietitutise, and that be attributed it to a camped.
deo, which was hweed epee them, with forelim markets. Since
ibeadedssiost of foreign silk Is 1424, the silk trade in Ireland had
. Mill annihilated. He thought the Petitioners had prtuliar
an Parliament, as a great part of -the manufacture in which
In were engaged, loosely, the tabiner hosiers. constoned net
may oaring quantity of silk, but of wool, which was the pundit"'
the eitneerr. .
_. Mr. V. FITZGERALD did not think that the
Fa disiiishig the subject, and he hoped that the MGM= '.
eimeM Wade front leogibesed Amadeu on the preseattddise, as
k weed regent the Howse Irons plat fishy late the quesdon
which wag to came cm la the entree of the night.
' Mr. H. GRATTAN felt Monet called upon to beer teed/nee/
the statement of the Petitioners, who he knew to be I. seem
, distress —Laid nn the table.
' Mr. DUNCOM BE presented a %debt' from Mr. Lemmatise
of Old Brompteo, against the Lunatic Asylums Bill.
Mr. SUDDEN brought in fear Bills relating to the law of reel
property,t which were read a first time, sells-red to be printed, and
o to be read a second time on Widareday.
Ws J. SCARLET? presented a Petition from the Attoroles and
Seekers of London, praying for further. accommodatios is the
Courts of Jostles Is Westminster liall.
Mr.Sitlf YOUR promoted a Petition front certain sit Weavers
menplainiog of greet distress. The Petitioners stated, that sines
1624 the silk trade bad been gradually declining, sod was now kl
sash a state of &premien that left them entirely destitute of awl
ployment. and eensequestly of food.
Mr. HUSIEISSON presented a Petition frown certain Mer-
Admits of London, praying for a reduction of Duty on Silk kn.
Ipeesed from INNS.
Mr. G. GRANT mid the Petition was signed by persons of the
merest respectability, Intelligence, and wealth. He would at at
time support the claims of the naaves of India, because this Hoist
was bound to consider the interest. of those persona.
The Petition was laid on the table. -
Mr. Alderman WAIT!' MA N presented a Petition from cep.
-seals persons engaged in the Silk Trade et Coegeshall, in Rases,
.pfayhig fat some relief from the oppression under which they
Meer on account of the stagnation of trade. The Mon. Alder.
. mem mid, at present ke would abstain from offering any ob.
tees on the motion, for a Committee of Inquiry would shortly
'Haase no, and then he wosid state his sentiments.
Mr. F. BUXTON presented a Petition from the Bread iMk
Weavers (signed by 10,000 persons) to the same 'tem
Mr. Alderman WA ITH MAN presented a Petition to the some
. affect, from the Ladies' Shasinakers of. Westminster.
, Mr. FYLER promoted a, Petition from the Silk Weaver's(
,as:banal:et front the Silk Weavers of Manchester and
complaining' of the stagoados of trade, which wail
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the
Citl6ll7llll 011 TIM "(ATI Or Tilt SILK TRADL . .
° Mr. FTLER rose to present two Petitions, of which
titc:z2did
the bust was signed by silt thousand ribbon toanitfar
terers of Coventry. The second Petition was twat the
.
Isilk weavers and silk thrtiwsters of Manchester and
Maccle,field. From the latter Petition the Honourable
Member read an extract, to the erect that the creme!
quinces of free trade were evident in the numbers of
wres.whe were &mingle of work. and in the E.ct That
those who were employed bete enraged at rates of
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'..drielent t 0 - ° or.

„prosetatie. was *toted oiliest him, and be. was wounced to
'twelve nientke Imprisoomen‘ - Soon afterwards he was released.
I was hnprisoned a reference was made to osedikal men
:TThis Usk', and, es d, would be seen by his soda of use-
of the gnat objects he bad io VIM VIM a how trill
papers laid en thp table of the HOY” that their Lordships alga
knew the mare of eh* Ins 'teat the Noble Marquisa=
site stated that he had been Marva with encouraging the
Asosciation. He (lord Cleneany) bad taken the hasty drunk*
a few questions to the Noble Marquis, who, Me a diqtoeidee dot
would have done .114 sour to any mime had most ropy 0..
*am to every Inheden put to hint, and *lke* Miami
vilest any charge *Seaver. Not so the Noble Duke at the heed
'M Majesty's Goveroment. far be had set up a ale, rend a
ask* munch epos it. He bad said that the main be
was M such a stale that he thought his Majwires Mile* *ill
nip have dens their duty if they had net d Me ged hits. It was
'utitersally believed, that the stalest medial am amid certifp
was, that DooneWs health might *offer by tardier csolloisit.
The Noble Duke had pawed this day one Melte greatest *es*
ever passedexpected great advantages to be produced. No*
would do more than be veld to bring abeet the object he had hi
view. The Noble Lord *eluded by amides his motion. . •
The Doke of WELLINGTON—My Lords. k Mice
to travel through the greater pert of whet the Noble Lab=
AM this *asks. I shall amine myself. therefore, to the pal*
ties of the pipers rape*. M•Donnell-the puoishowsot hauled
en him—and the ankigaden of his seastoce. My Lords, I imessive
that this. eases el the Mimbe of the Lag's prerogative of mercy,
eh*. net auk* eomopriessa the power of Peril**, yet
psi peobsMy of that dem** that of al things they ought to be
*least liable to levity in this or the ethos Hoese. They are
cases in which his Malesty eserciass his jaggiest in the carrying
'of them hue execution. Now the Noble Lord has stated one
ground, which was, , that 1 bad stated one circumstance respeetiog
the impriseonossot of hi' Deans& Ily Lords, I may have been 1..
cautious, having oat boa mach In the \shit of addressing you—l
may have haws gouty of a breach of order in the practice of
boo it io pulse obvious that my breach of order PM be OA=
whatever-for yaw • ' kinky into the eureka M Ads
prerogative of mercy by his jetty, se those who represent blei
to Lei*: ; • 1
The Menais of ANGLESEY stated. that the Noble Duke
bad, to wba he had stated, aaticipatisf a considerable pan of what
bons* to havi *noted to the House. He perfectly concerted
ie the propriety K the detecookostion ea the pan of Ile Majesty's
go"._almatot ; aed akapplcathoo made to him by the N
•d" while In' the tbefsenant of Ire*, for a espy of thOM
Pipit's. is had -acted lel the same priori*. and reload te grad
thew •• He *aid tad the letter of the Nelda lard, with Mt !
permission, and which would show that he meant to losiessates es
had been insinuated in vat* quarters, that he (the Nettie Mar.
lob) had assigned 'to support the Protestant interestsoml.
calmed the Catkins Atm**. to which he had, on es.,
cid*. given a limdesieL H. had threughosa acted 1
and with* the allahmspiellemsee of party or political hollifio.
He would also Mad his waswer ,tri that letter, as will as a siwOof
the consmusicatkos that passed between him end Ms
Gammons la this country en the subject • el Mi. All?
ThisVNeble-Mansts,' after apoiegitiss to the Hesse, thee do
cm he bad Minded to; the lint pan of it matte Woe
from Clascatty, dated lath fleptensbn. htquiriog kir de
cause of the cokes* a Uses IrDennell; doe me* Wei OP
answer of the Noble Marquis, stating his surprise that
appidenkishould he madeto him ; the Noble Marrialittpla
that a *Skase Gig* by Dr. Jackson, the &am pay} s,
two_ethorprolowienal men, which set leak that the life of Met
it' Demodi world beadangered were be to remain longer in prison.
Ilk (the liarlok of Aegfewy) had also applied to Mr. Peel, the
Seermary of ibibe. on the subject. In the intervening space be.
trues the millog to lir. P. and the festivity; of any answet, be
(the Muria) had to Wee Del* for Carling*, be therefore
judged k pnper to leave ao enter teethe rckass of Mr. M' Dowdy
with Iwrd Praads Lessees Geese:, to be used in the event of bk
(Lord ?neck) receiving any letter from Mr. Peel, or in case more
*Wog symptoms should appear Is the state of health of the party.
From Mr. Peel a "KW was readved stating, that if confidence
timid be placed in the certificate of MI health. it was proper that
release should tousle. He (the Marquis of Anglesey) could assure
their Lesikitip. that he was mote happy than the prisoner, when
the of* gaol were throws epee, so impressed was be with
a swim of the width was pieced on him. He was
oblige to their ler dor patience with which they
had heard him;, k would glee great pleasere to have it to his
pawn to speati-to Mary pin of his Government In Ireland, and he
seas we sore aft he-Woidirkibly the country, and each of their
.LeeeshiPl- • •
: Lord CLANCAETY seed Bolt the Noble Marquis had throws
the pans of Ms own shoulders ogee those of the Noble Duke at the
bead of the Aantiniavitiori. He was satiated that tbete was a
salmi impassion in fused as the subject. to which he hid directed
Moir, Lerdships swedes; .be had beard this Dr. Cheyne stated
that the. aka* was is a sawed state of health sheet the time of
his release.
The Dodge of WELLINGTON said that be aiderstood Dr.
Anne lhabil. sighed a vadat:ate to the effect that the primmer who
at the pekot of death. • ..1
• The Marlais of ANGLEIERY *had whether Dr. Moyne
had ever. sigad any certificate. ~pe doseght.tbskthe Dater re-
fused became he was not first emenised.
The awe* was that.* aid mogedved... •
The Bilk es t their Airefiddesesbk then through their rt-
_spa* stages, and the Ho* adjeornati atlipsx‘ran Su "'Cam
• HOUSE OF COMMONS. •
The fieemantteek the argil at *et halt past three &dais
,and, shortly afterwards a letesseager from the Howse of Leeds
,Itroosk down the CA M& Batt end the El wive Pranchier(lro.
iwid),lll6; which had hew ay* to y ihe Lord' without any
adnewilinints -
. The Dales.), Usher of thillbit• ked Hilly-" the ftlialete.
pis hear she Rwral AWsso glossy, by csw :_pea if&
The Speaket immediately lefl the Cair. shoes UN
'the Menton present. proceeded to the name of
Ns nit** Spokes ontommad that the Royal Assent bad bap
girofr soWeesr of IlKlk, am* which were the Cub* Semi
▪ end tlg am* Franclike (Ireland) OIL A cheer bias Me
meter wasbar of the Member present followed the .aelumnes•
mat of the Royal Assent to the former of these Bills.
Mir.'.Alldennan WOOD presented a Petition frau cur lika
bit* of /*Rey and Stratford-le•Bew, rain to be
.heard by Ceessel against the last Lao* Water-works-BBL
blf• WARD Waste Putties ft* Senthwark whist the
on
I.end
The saMainointrabk Mamas presented a Petition free the
Itevetand G. Baresford *host the St. Ati4rew's Church Bill, and
4 Pinkies from ft rasa anierad Clendemen, dot
the koalas a maim m mmkhilN en Meaty *de* dle
Om observance of the Sabha&
• Mr. D. W. HARVEY A Petite. from the
*avers el Weimer. aid Macdedleid, polies fee
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which is more than another injured by this- system, it
is the silk trad.. If we consider the disadvantages
under which in ordinary cases it straggles against rivals
mote favoured by nature, we shall be easily convinced
bow mach it stands io nerd of protection. The soil and
climate of other countries produce the te.t raw mate.
rial, which the jealous fear a.? the natives will not allow
to be imported into this county. Thole is, moreover,

the price of provisions, ohich is very low in those coon.
tries. where. consequently, the price of la 'our is were
low. In such! ircuaistances, so disadvaotageoust • this
cruntry. it is a t at all to beerond..red that we shout I
have been vanquished in that competi:ion. which has
now %kited for nearly three years. The Honourable
Member for Callington• when presentiog to this House
the petition of the merchants,had 6s d a period at which
the silk trade would not exist in this country. Bat.
although I callow with him agree that the period of its
total• extinction has arrived. yet I can say that it has
bee* for some time in a state of lingering. and that 'k is
at present fast verging to its tuin. I shall pow beg
leave mouse to the House the changes which have been
bade in'the law upon this subject, beginning from the
year 1824. In that year the Right Han. pentlesnan
o po.ite (Mr. Hu kisson). being then President of the
Board of Trade, introduced his principl,s upon chit sub.
ject, as far as rela:rs to the •ilk trade. In that•year he
reduced the du y upon thrown silk from 14n, 7.1. a
potted to 75.6 r. and those upon raw silk. from Sc, to
Is. 6d. In 1825, by a manner which was father atbi•
trary, a Treasury warrant, lie 'educed the duty on
thrown silk (tons 7s. 6J. to 3, and aholi.hed that a on
the importation of raw silk. His intention was, that at
the end of 1826 the repress prohibitory duties -Mold
tease, and an ad valorem duty of SO ter cast. should be
ioni.o-ed upon all silk imported into this gauntry. A
Bight Hon. Gentleman opposite, who entirely agrees
pith the Member for Liverpool in his notions on the
subject of tree trade, succeeded him in office; but he
either considered it uoai.e or unsafe to carry forward
I‘l,. Huskisson's plan of an ad adorers duty of 30 pee
cent. in the room of which he substituted a graduated
scale of duties. which was, however, fnunled upon. the
basis of the ad Worms duty of 30 pet cent. Upon the
present evening I shall, if I mistake not, hear the pre-
sent President of the Board of Trade advance • doctrine
different from both these. All this I have .tatef to
show that during the last five years ibe silk etude has
li•en the martyr of theory and speculation. and the
victim of different systems of policy, adopted in dire.
rent degrees, by successive Presidents of the Board •of
Trade. lonly mention this fact to show hi•tv little the
persons who recommend these measures understood the
subject about which they were employed. All that
has been hitherto done upon the subject ha. been
trial aid experience—an experience which has been
f tal to all those woo were intimately engaged with
the subject. But I shall very easily show, from
the speed.. of the Right. Hon. Gentlemen them.
selves, that they looked a, on the alteration of th- laws
as nothing but an exiiiiinient. (H-re the Hop. Member
read eats actarons the speeches f Mr. Huskasspg
Mr. Grant, which spoke 01* change in the laws a •is
trial and esperitnept which svis to be 'rustle up o that
'department of manuf.cturer That latter .thetkienian
Wr• Grant) ebsereal, in the speech qua MI, if the
Ilissan;•f•ctureis fail is the eeperinient they may then
Nose to this House with a strong case—is ith, at least.
of

wages solow as were not set- ptoeure the _ one Which is compounded; the iogredeents of j slice
miseries of life. The Petitions both prayed an inquiry as well as those of
'.The experiment has now
into ihe.causei of the dittoes, sad were ordered t r be been made, and we can read• the results of it in t e din.
printed. Mr. Eyler thew proceeded to introduce his tress which universally prevails amongst the weaves t..m.
1.1100 for a Select Committee to inquire into the ge- in the capital which has begs lost—in the fact that mi..
state of the silk trade in nearly the following third of the wotkeed are unemployed—and those aho
•engssz—Sir, when l considei that the question which I have found a I the work are not able to produce a nib-
ble about to introduce to the House is one of die salience by their labone. The mills which ate isle, and
letitest importance, not only to the individuals how- the looms which are out of work, bear test intro yto the
;direly concerned, but also to the public—alien I con- same fact, and I, therefore. call upon the Right Hon.
slider that it is a question which has givens iseio so notch Gentleman opposite (Mr. Grant) to tilde ni now the
*discussion, and involves sa much intricate and comph- Pledge...bleb he formerly gave, and to support now that
4aerd details—when I consider the opposite and contra- cane of mixed feeling and justice which he said would
victory conclusions come to upon the %object— ensue whets these measures should have lase s died and
when I consider the vase capital which hat been. may found unsuccessful. and which he promises', in such an
say, irrevocably sunk in different branches of the slit event,to suppott. I hope that he will not suffer the bilk
snout icture—when I consider the intense anxiety di a trade to be the victim and martyr of political theories
large and suffering population who now look to this and expetiments. The R.glit Hon. Gentlemen opposite
House for relief—when I r •ribider all these objects I are *stare s f the distress which exists ingirery bt itch of
cannot help feeling how incompetent tamto do Justice this trade. They are not, boa ever, smote of the actual
to so important, so estensive,-and so interesting 4 sub- estent of the dirress, not only in this cousin y. bat also
jeet. The critinection which I have is ith 4rge mann- in Scotland and in lieland. It is paig.ful to outer so
rimming district will, however, procure me, I ht!pa. evidence of this nature, but I hopetbe H use will escort
some indulgence whilst I ajJte s a few observation; to use for ref-thing to some particulars which I shall quote
the House; and lam sure that, whatever differences of from authentic sources. The first communication which
opinion may exist as to the bet means of 'chewing the I mall make to the House is an extract ham a letter
existing distresses of the silk nodes tire will be at least from Coventry communicated to me obis mousing. It
one general sympathy in the saes ings which the indi- is tl.ere stated that the nisiber of looms unem •loyesl is
victuals connected with that trade at present espesiestce. gre.ter by 500 more thin were 11110 CC upie.l in 1826. me
and one general desire to afford them the utmost pos- ',umber of silk manufacturers in the different depart-
sable relief—(Hear). This, I am sure. is the 'univer- merits of weaving, winding. warping. and spinisitig.who
sal feeling in this Noose, and is entertained by no were uucitiplosed was 4.25.1 more th-ga had been in 1826.
person more warmly than by the Right Honourable In Waiiisiekshire. throughout the village% which I shall
Gentleman opposite (Mr. Charles Giant. the Member 'not stow trouble the House by adverting mote portico-
foe Inverness), about whom I shall have a Slush deal to larly to, the rate of wages is so low as not to atisd tne
ggsay upon the present occasion. Then: are. lam aware. necessaries of life. It is impossible to snake au average
easy- points connected with this subject on which I of the wages as it is continually fiuc:uoting, sod always
shay fail to make an impression upon •the. House, anti glowing. worse. But min fact. s. of the gee .test.iniput-
Mum in which an answer •may be given by the Right coact, namely, several..nsanufac over a have given up
Hie. Gentleman opposite(the President of the Boaid of that branchWf hitsinesik and commenced imposters in
Trade). and other Members, who have been the founders the foreign trades finding it more lucrative twinspott
of the new system. I can, however. assure the MOW silks than to make them. The flan. Member here an-
'Nest if a Consinktee of Inquiry should be granted, lean tired into a great variety of details .9f which the cu.
strodoce such a mass of evidence as, coming frompric- mutative effect was, that ..the sate of wages bad bean
tied men intimately acquainted with the subject, mist seduced to sjrout one hall-:-tbat the geannty of engieia
tarry convictimf to the mind of every tea onable and and hands had been reduced to about one fourth—that
unprejudiced man. It is now beyond all doubt that the even the benefit societies had been obliged to suspend
free trade system—so far, et least. as it hOsbeeolapplied their articles, as the members were unable to pay their
to the silk trade—bas been fairly tiied, and has en- subscriptions. and that the woskinen bad been obliged
drily failed; and that if it be continued for any• con. to strip their houses of all . their furniture for the per-
siderable time it will sofa todestroy altogether that ma- pose sf providing food for themselves and their childreo.
'infector, in this country. I feel that there are several The statements which the Hon. Member read entirely
very important questions, either directly or collaterally. bore out the positions which he bad laid down concern-
mumected with the one at present before the House. I lag the reduction of wages, the deficiency of employ-
'shall, however, disembarrass the case of these consider- went, and the diminished number of engines and men
-Ideas and amine myself to the particular branch that were engaged in the silk manufacture. (This past
Mich it is my duty now to bring under the considers. of the Honourable Member's address was beard with
don of the Hogee. The system of free trade is cow- lively essentials by the House, and seemed to produce
tardy very beautiful is' theory; but we ought to feast- a gent effect upon the minds of the Members.) The
legct that we live in a highly artificial state of society, Hon. Member continued—This is no exaggerated pies
laid are weighed down by the pressure of as immense tote. Bat it is said that the distress is temporary. and
gitioaal debt. In these circumstances it is necessary to produced by temporary causes. But as long see the fo-
jive as much as possible equal advantafes to the dif- reign silks can be imported at a price less than too soj.
' finest classes of society, and it is impossible to promote Disown for which they can be numufactnied here, so
the interests of manufacturers by algrwsog a free trade long must the distress of the trade continue. Is was
in manufactured goods Whilst there exists a monopoly also said that the distresses extended as Well to Los
lit corn. Bat if there be any branch of usanidacturs as to this country ; but it ought to be remembesed•
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