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London, England, 1827-03-17 00:00:00

the instant and probably the jest TOWN
Hose. Hi, das to the impropitiott of
itig political riiileges to designing men, wl
use them forte worst purposes, though at
time be did not include ttll the Catholic_ Clerg
that description of men, for it embraced many
spostable characters. Another Eat I also (Earl _
.had spoken in terms of great discouragement, if not
contempt,of the attempt which was now making in Ire-
land to diffuse the pure light of the Gospel. Woe to
the Christian who should presume tik lift his voice or
hand to stem the flood of light now bursting opon that
country. If carried on in a spirit of piety and with be-
coming zeal, that attempt would bring down the bles-
sing of the ALMIGHTY. He therefore regretted to see a
Peer of the British Parliament discourage an event
-which would shine in characters of ligl.t in the annals
of the present age. It had been called a crusade! but
what was a crusade? In itself nothing reprehensible,
for it was only an attempt to plant the Christian Cross
in the land of infidelity. And could any similarity be
drawn between the present effort and the cruelties prac-
tised against the Vaudois, the Albigenses, or by the
Spaniards on the Moots? An immense religious debt
was due by thiscountry to It eland, which he now hoped
would be discharged to the last fractior.
• Earl Rammer and the Bishop of Cuomo mutually explained.
and after a few words from Viscount Comma, the Petition was
laid Go the table.

The Doke of BUCKINGHAM then presented Petitions to the
same effect Irons the Catholics of several Parishes in the °sunder.
of Westmeath, Roscommon, Kinsale, Mayo, and the Queen $
County.—Laid on the table.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN also presented Peti.
tions in favour of Emancipation from the Catholics of
the County of Louth, the Noblemen, Gentlemen, and
Freeholders of the King's County, the Inhabitants of
Manchester and Salford to the amount of malty thou-
sands; the Protestant Landowners of the County of
Wexford, and the Inhabitants including Protestants of
the Church of England and Dissenters of the Town of
Warminster.—Laid on the table.

Earl RODEN held two Petitions against the Catholic
Claims—one from the County of Londonderry, signed
by 22,000 persons, and the other from the County of
Tyrone, also numerously signed. As a resident pro-
prietor in Ireland, he thought it his duty to state his
conscientious conviction on this important question.
He lamented deeply that it should continue to divide
the opinions of his Majesty's Ministers and be left open,
for it thus became an apple of discord thrown between
two great contending patties in Ireland, and led to
immense mischief. It was in consequence of this divi-
sion of opinions in the Cabinet that a system of policy
had been pursued by the Government of Ireland, which
was more than childish, and under the name of conci-
liation, created so much discord that it had excited the
disgust of Protestants and the contempt of Catholics.
'He spoke in strong language, but he spoke what he felt,
and he felt from experience. He trusted that the hour
was approaching when those differences of opinion in
the Government would no longer exist ; when they
would be forced to take a decided part, and either to
ephold the Protestant Constitution, or to raise again
that dominion and supremacy of Popery, which many
of their Lordships ancestors had struggled and bled to
overthrow: This was the alternative which the Go-
vernment would have to embrace. It was impossible
that things should remain as they were, and as impos-
sible, consistently with safety, that Catholics should be
admitted to legislate for a Protestant people and
Church. He did not. speak from a reference to mere
history, but to what he had heard the Catholics them-
selves openly disclose at their Meetings and Associa..
ti,ns in Dublin, when he said that the admission to
Parliament was only a step to further encroachments.

If words or actions'meant.anything, the words of the
Gentlemen in the Association, and the conduct of the
Gentry of Ireland in
:approving them, shewed that their
sentiments and principles were the same. If there
really was a persecution of the Catholics—if they were
treated as the Greeks under the Turks,' or if one sect
tyrannised over the other, no man living would be more
anxious than himself to see justice done. But if there
was persecution, it was the persecution of Catholic con-
' vests to the Protestant faith by the Catholic Priests, and
that arising from the influence of the Catholic Clergy
over the minds and bodies of the people. It was that
dominion which, thank GOD, many of his tenants were
throwing off. This glorious reformation might be called
a mere chimera, but he was persuaded that it was the
work of GOD, the result of his power, through thepreach-
ing of his unadulterated word. He had read somewhere
that the refusal of the claims of the Catholics would
drive them into rebellion. This he did not believe ;
but great as were the calamities of rebellion, he would
rather risk that evil than endanger the Constitution by
admitting to legislate for Pro estants, men who could
only give the State a divided allegiance. He might be
asked, Are you .atisfled with the present state ?'f things ?
He answered no: for Ireland had a Government,
which as an Irishman he might say, was no Govern-
ment at all, and whose measures instead of alleviating
had aggravated eviry evil. Their Lordships would
remember that two ye..rs ago they had passed a Bill,
called elsewhere an Algerine Act, which some had
opposed as infringing on the liberty of the subject, but
which he had supported, because he thought it would
put down party associations of all kinds. It had, indeed,
put down all those which associated to protect the laws,
and he did not complain of it, as the time fol such asso-
ciations was gone by; but what he complained of was,
that the Catholic Association still existed in all its mis-
chief, extending its venom to all parts of Ireland. At-
tempts, it was said, by a Noble Earl, on a former night,
had been made to suppress it, and had failed. No
real attempt had been made.—The Government was
infatuated, and the Catholic AsAaciation still stood
in its strength. It was true, that a prosecution had
been entered against a Gentleman, for the language
which he uttered within its walls, but if he was to be.
lieve that the language which he had read was that of
the King's Attorney General for Ireland, it was hard for
Mr. Shiel to be prosecuted, when his prosecutor was
allowed o use expressions calculated to do still more
mischief. He apologised to the House for thus tres
passing on its time. But lie could not forbear express-
ing his sentiments. He should now close in the words
of a Noble Friend of his, that the present state of
Ireland with the existence of the Catholic Asso6ation,
inflicted indelible disgrace on the Government of that
country.

The Bishop of NORWICH said that the Noble Eall
had complained of hi. having represented the Roman
Catholics as persecuted. Ile repeated tbat
He had been brought up by still ahler men than the
Noble Earl, 'who taught him to believe that every re•
strains and every inconvenience f.ir the sake of religious
'in/Anions, WAS perwcution, and he therefore must con•

*ore Zlie ipost pers. '
.th.. • •
contended. tta; if .tbe
the Turk towards th*
towards the Cash°lid.
fable Earl wilted the
every 7: and It ish Peer howl
speaking on the subject of Ireland, and he now extended
the disqualification to the other House, charging the
prosecutor of With having u.ed more dan-
gerous language than that Gentleman. The Home had
now heard the Noble Earl hisrisef declare that rather
than adopt a conciliatory measure, he would see rebel
lion in Ireland. Had any thing been uttered by the
CathOlics more formidable or more mischievous ?
Charges were every day heard in that House against
five millions of our fellow subjects, from those Pro-
testant Lords of the ascendancy, but the Catholics had
no means of answering. If their Lordships wished to
save Ireland, let them not wait for her conversion, de-
sirable asit might be, but let something be done to put
down not only Catholic, but alsoPrritestant Associations.

Viscount CLIFDEN maintained that a great change
had taken place in the doctrines of the Catholics.
The Petitions were then laid en the table. _ .

Karl DARNi.6Y presented Petition.in favour of Emancipa-
tion from Parishes in the County of Meath, and from the County
and City of thvgbeda.—Laid on the table.
The Earl of MOUNT CASHRL presented a Petition from a
Parish in the County of Londonderry, against the Catholic Claims,
and said, that if, like other Noble Lords, he supported those
Claims, he should conceive that be bad violated the oath which he
had taken as a Deer of Parliament, and committed perjury.—Laid
,as the table.

The Duke of MUNSTER presented o Petition from the.
County of Kildare, numerously signed in favour of the Corks.lien—
Laid on the table.
Lord LONG FORD presented Petition againat the Catholic
Quints from parishes in the County of Wicklow.—Laid on Use table.
Sir TAIOMAS ACLAND and others briniest up several Bills from the
Commons, which were read a first time.
The Army and Marine Mutiny Bills went respecdvely through
Committees, and were reported.
Adjourned till Monday.

•
ejeAt.ritit4 Siat ths,Catholics of Ireland si
F eiyM. diktat/ people•on tba face of the ewe
ho might T Etrl of CARNARVON co
the tame mcide of persecution adopted by the
;y under Greek,Affered from that pursued ro
most re. the -quit Was •the game. The Nab
Darnley) other day to disqualify every filitish