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London, England, 1828-05-21 00:00:00

Hose. Mr. Mona, Ile, FIROUNOW. Ile. CALCIUM and Lord
lionscs, the House divided, when OHM appistred—
For the Motion • .
Against it • • • 131
Majority against the Motion . —79

Air. MIME moved for a Return of all Pensions granted under
the y©s Pensions Acts 57th of Geo. 111. chap. 65, stating the
Dames of an aielersons and the rums granted.—Ordered.

COURTS OF CHANOZRY.
Mr. SUGDEN moved for leave to bring in a Bill for
repealing the Act 6th Geo. IV. chap. 74, relating to pro-
perty in Infants and Lunatics, and for amending the
rovisions thereof. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
Aaied that the measure was intended to carry into effect
'some of the recommendations respecting the law and
racticein equity. He professed himself anxious to
,urther the progress of necessary reform, and said that
niany of the evils which had been unfairly charged
nn the Judges in the Courts of Chancery were at-
• .butable to the Laws, and it rested with that House
,elieve the country from the odium and the Wenn-
, enience derived from their defective state.

Yo. TWISS seconded the motion.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that he should always be
'eddy to lend his support to any reform of the law, or
t the abuses exi,ting in the Courts of Equity. Until
something was done to relieve the suitors in those
Courts from the grievances under which they had so
:org laboured, he should never cease to call .the atten-
ii—, of th..t House and of the country to the subject.
'The motion was then agreed to.

cou nnewratiox Mt.;

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order
o! the Day for going into Committee, upon the Corn Importation
The House went into Committee, and some of the Resolutioss
were agreed to.
Mr. W. WHITMORE moved the following scale as
al amendment to that contained in the Bill:—When
the price of wheat shall be 50s. and under 511.- a :duty
of 11. For every shilling in price above fifty, a decrease
;.1 the duty. of two shillings, until the price shall be
35, and from that to a price not exceeding 655. a fixed
yof 10s. Above 65 s. for every increase of Is. in price
I:.e duttio be diminished 2s. Mail the price shall have
te4ched7cis. when the duty shall remain at Is. When
the price descends below 50s. for every decrease of Is.
the duty to increase 2s. He submitted this scale to the
Committee, as being, in his opinion, the most equitable
to all the interests of. the country.
said, that the arguments which had
been esed in favour of the scale which the House had
..4.lopteti, were a sufficient answer to the proposition of'
the Honourable Member. He was favourable to. the
principles siker trade, but he thought the Government
would have shown a very incorrect sense of its duty if
it had proposed so low a scale of protection to the land
as tharlidirrecornmended to the Committee.
Tbe'Aillendonent was then, put, and aegadied without *division.
Uponth4 fifing the places from which the averages"
sbaU aitikea; •
Mr:PORTMAN foie to move that Lopdon be es-
c!uded from the list. His reason for objecting to UM.
Jon mrsottat it was a place at-whidi the real price of
British Corn could not be fairly obtained, because in
that market a. large quantity,nf Foreign Corn most
always, be 501 d.... Another objection was, that the
charges of freight-inland or coastwise were added to the
pike, and theindrket was -exceedingly liable to fluc-
tuation. He therefore moved that the port of London
be ,truck out.

Mr. F. LEWIS said the Committee would see that to .
alter any of the cireemsanoes upon Which the scale had
been cal, elated. WOOkd be, to alter the whole measure.
A novelty had now crept into the discussion of this
sAject, which be was•sare was never thought of in .the
i!istassions of 1815. It was the idea that than laws
were only intended to protect the grower and 'hot the
consumer. Agair.st.
.this doctrine he protested; and
hoped it would never be sanctiotvedby that.Hoase. AU
the dealers in corn were of 'opinion that.foreign tot/
should not be included in the avetwges. •
Mr. CURTEIS said the svesages, as they were takelly
de:l not give a fair estimate of the prices
grower received icr his corw,:and be thought the system.
should be altered, in order that the public might have.*
correct, account.of the piiterially received for corm
Colonel SIBTHORPE said be should vote for the
motion of the Member. for iDorsetshire. The averages
cooltdorbe, depended oft The Hon. Member knew
tha4orii -bhd biles bought fee 40s. and after under-
gEtieeas. viith. brimstone, was sold to the Miller
lot Mae Mem paved the fallacy of the cots averages..
He was tlispeeed,m.support the interest of the Suffering
'r• • •••' •
Mi. *IINSTir Was against taking the averages in
Loadeit. The House had agreed.to the duties, upon ,
the trotted that the averages were to be taken fairly.—
Theieefliges were not taken fairly. The grower must
be Ifedtticred, and- that protection would benefit the
coeitimetf. In common fairness the averages ought to
be Correctly taken, and.the public should not suppose
that he grower obtained a larger price for his corn
O mit* really received.
The' Com/nines thin divided on Mr. Portnum's Amendment—
)". Ayes . . . . . . 56
Noes . . . . . . 152
Majority against the Amendment —ln
F,..WODEHOUSE then moved to add Edinburgh,
Glasgow, Aberdeen, Haddington, Dumfries) and Dun-
dee;:publis, Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Belfast, Sligo,
and .Gslway to the enumerated plaies, whereby the
average price of grain, except wheat, is calculated. -
IQi F. LEWIS opposed the modal.
CIJ ETE IS expressed some surprise that the Irish
MiMl)eis did not speak upon this proposition, which
wapap Of considerable interest to Ireland.
14.FITZGEB.A.LD said, the question certainly was
interesting to behead, and be knew not upon what
ground lieland was to be treated as a foreign country.
beltod produced oats of an improved quality, and hear
't'4ll)tought the best way to stop the arrival of Irish
Paupers in. England 'would be to keep them employed
in their own country upon the cultivetion of oats. By
giving a steady market in Eoglaad for Irish oats, the
Peesartuf. would find employment. He did not knOw
wli.st right they bad to exclude Ireland from the ave.
Livs. It was inconsistent with the Union, and
inn to her agriculture.
The motion was then riegatived.
Mr. CURTEIStmosed to add a *use to give the Inspectors
or Cora imams ad power.
Mr. P. LEWIS could am Wade the chose on the occult%
bit undertook to see whether it could be adapted.
st ho
Mt. CRTELS consented to let the clause stead over until $
ne aUr). 7
The 101 l then passed through the Camoduse, and was ordered
to bwreported te morrow.

PENSION TO THE FAMILY QF ESE. CAMMIEG.
Genial Sir R. FERGUSON rose on the Order of
the Day for the second reading of the Petitions Act
Amendment Bill, and directed the attention of the
House tb the tepott of a speech in that House, which
did not come in the way of common reports, and was,
in his opinion, to be taken as a COTTett statement of In
Hon. Member's speech. No man bad more respect for
the Hon. Member for Limerick than himself; but .he
thought the Honourable Member had not displayed
hi 'twat judgment in making the speech to which be.
Alluded. The lioe. Member for Liaxrick bad imputed

motives of the most unworthy character to the Minority
on the grant to the family of lite Mr. Canning.—
He codld -tell the Honourable Mernber-thatise.vise,
a vote on the occasion with an honourable4eeling.'
It was impassible to attribute to those who fotiod the
minority any improper motives. He did not wish to
bring the character of an individual distinguished in this
country forward. He should be the' last to -display a
want of respect for the dead; but if he was -taunted
about his vote, he should say hOW he was induced to
vote as he did upon the recent grant of the pnblic
money. He certainly voted conscientiously andbonestlyt
He considered the attack made on his Hon. friend the
Member for Aberdeen quite unfounded. The object
of the Gallant Officer was to vindicate himself, and
to declare that he had no motives that' were not purely
disinterested.
Mr. SPRING RICE said—lf-I hesitate in addressing
a few words to the House, it is because there are. other
Gentletien, perhaps not belonging to the class of my
Honourable and Gallant-Friend, who .may also wish to
make some observations, and who may take some Sob-
jealous to what fell from me ; though I hope I shall
be able to show that a misconception has arisen from
some misstatement or some misapprehension. But before
I reply, it would be more regular that I should hear what
are these objections, so that I may not reply first to one
Gentlentan, and then on some other ground to another;
and if so utterly unimportant and insignificant a person
as I am can have any claims to the attention of the
House, I hope the House will hear what I have to say.
As it is likely some other Gentleman ' may have some
observations to make, I shall reserve myself till after
those observations are made.

Mr. G. A. L. KECK said, be should avail himself of
the opportunity to offer a few observations: What he,
had principally to complain of was, that in his chatactei
as a Member of Parliament, be had been subject to an
imputation which he utterly disclaimed. During a long
period in which he had been discharging his duties is
that House be never suffered improper motives to
inflnence his conduct ; and: if there had been ground.
for the imputation cast upon 'him in consequence of
the vote he gave on Tuesday last, .he should have,let.
the imputation pass in silence. The' HoOourable Mem-
-her had never given a vote in ~that House which he
-was afraid to- vindicate... No motive, or. respect for
the memory of any man, -could 'induce him to sumo.,
der his duty. He declared at the same time, that he
had entertained admiration fOr the splendid talents and
character of Mr. Canning, ancrall his_amiable qualities.
At an early period• of that Stateman's life, when his
splendid eloquence was exhibited in that .Hosset be had
the strongest admiration of his great qualities,, but if bq,
Was called on to estimate Mr. Cunning's character as a
public man, he should fairly avow, that during the lat.
.ter part of his life he was not able to bellow the*
nsiration he did formerly. Notwithstanding thitanowst.
he was surprised that any one slioald -impute; lies
which not only prevented himfrom doing ;14S.Inty :in
that*House, but which, if he really 40 futert4iti,aueh
motives, ought to drive him froortheiricattyghonour-
able men.. The Honourable Memher,. stated
that be had. never seen the ground, of his -comPhtlni,
before Saturday. There was something 'insider, in
the publication of the debates whichtookOne onVecc
nesday, but that was a subject -be co:ski..4ist
allude. He complained. 04111 it4usioa assdey-And • tbf
tone in which it was made.—[Hew the lino. Me**
read the speech-6 Oppositien to the. critatltu Mr.
Canniog's Family) would have astounded him any *here,
but it was more remarkable in the Ho use of Commons,
the theatre of Mr. CenOistg't splendid actions: '. He
wished to distinguish the opposers cif.the Omit. They
were composed of two classes of economists.. With one
he would'hold -Wo • community. They showed
enmity to Mr. Canning by denying a .pittance to his
widow.] .The- Honourable • Menstrer agreed that . the
council- warin-a condition to reward the seaeices ot any
man, and be was not one of those who wouldact a base
parcupon any scale of economy. ft che.Hon.. Member
knew of any such person let bias Oka that person out.
He was not the man.. He hadheentoldtbat it was not
intended that the speech should be generally offensiv4
and it must become consolation to know that it was not
intended tube a general condemnation. He laid claim
to no great strength of- nerve; and during the thirty
years be had 'sac iik that House, he had not shown any
desire to distinguish himself by making complaints. He
`was particularly induced in this instance to complain;
becattse he felt that thetone of intimidation used in lbw
House prevented Members from delivering their .senti-
menu.- The reason he gave the vote.alluded.to was
this. He did not conceive there was made out, on the
part of Mr. Canning, an irresistible claim to the grant.
He did not oppose on the score of bane and dishonours-.
hie feeling, but oh-what he believed to be the meriu-of
the individual. On those grounds he opposed the ma
tion. He never fllOtlld deny the grounds on whichhe:
voted ; but his hope was, that a circumstance similar
to this might never again occurs or tender it necessary
to give explanation.
Mr. SPRING RICE said be hived the House would
extend its indulgence to hit a while he replied to the ob.
servationS which had just been made. He hoped, how-
ever;. that no Honourable Member would allow any
thing he might bate said to influente his judgment ow
the interesting question on which titled Spoken. Ha
wished to bear all the blame himself-for any objection-
able remarks be might have made.-- Some 'questiedi
might be raised as to the regularity of the mode of
proceeding ; but it-Was not for him to do that, for be
rejoiced at the opportunity of repelling the charge
which had been made against him, and he rejoiced
at the opportunity Of repeating what he had• before
stated. He would take the liberty of saying, and he
hoped in this statement be should be borne oat by;
the House, that although he hid ben Ireqtiendy,
engaged in discussion in that House, be bad always'
endeavoured so to conduct it; as not intentionally
to wound the feelings of individu ' *much less classes
of persons—(Hear, hear, bear). As to the objections
el his Honoerable and Gallant Friend behind, the House
would net only recollect the observations he had made,
but also the circumstances under which they were
made: On the night when the Noble Lord got up to
ma his objections to the vote, not on the ground that
the finances of the country could not support it, but on
the ground that Mr. Canning's services to the State did
not merit such a mark of approbation, in reply to what
fell from the Noble Lord, I took the liberty of dividing
the opponents of the measure into two classes ; and
the statement which I then made I am now ready to
repeat. One party objected to the grant on account
cli economy. Some, who did not think that the
finances of the State were in such 'a condition ai
to warrant the refusal, threw out Objections on a
constitutional principle, as estikblishing an impro.
per precedent, though they did not enter into
charges against the policy and character of Mr. Can-
ning. These objections were distinct, and to those who
made them no motives were attributed by me. Bit
there was another class of objectors, who, like the
Noble Lord (the Member for Suckieghamshire),
posed the grant froth personil objections tit the
Tr-

racter of' Mr. Canning. There was not one word of
what be,liadsaids. in expressing the, deep disappoint-
Paat 49 had felt at findins,thy Besot io opposed, which
4e.was not.prepited to restate in' latiguie eqbally
strong. If. object was, to separate he individuals.
who' opposed the grant .on . uccotint of • Illotivt, of
4iconotay from those who opposed it oo account of per-
tonal hostility. If .his Honourable and Gallant Friend
objected to the grant from motives of economy, or if he
objected to it on constitutional principles, the terms he
had used could not apply to him. The Hon. Member
*opposite would notsurely.think that be threw out by his
remarks a defiance of ,the agriculturists. .He belonged
'himself to that class, and could at no time mean to state
;such a defiance, and still less at that time, when an Hon.
-Baronet, the great leader of the agricultural interest in
Mit House, hid come forward so' nobly and said. that
, though he objected to several parts of Mr. Canning's coo-
.doct, he felt it due to the honour of England, to declare
•his entire concurrence in the vote—(bear)— his concur,
fence.;-the vote on account of the services of Mr. Can;
fling. it was not in the face of thii declaration-that
he should choose to attack the agritulturists. He never
meant any such thing ; and he was sorry for themistake
which had beat made as to his intentions. If the House
would refer to what had previously occurred, they
would find some justification for his remarks. He was
not in the House on a former night, when i speech
bid been pronounced against Mr. Canning; and he
rejoiced that he was not, as it enabled him to read it
with more calmness and moderation than he could pos:
sibly have heard it. He felt indignation even at reading
ite Irsthat speech all the vices of Mr. Canning's, public
life were arrayed against him—(Hear). And when he
fouod the posthumous grant to that great man—(Hear)
oppod on these grounds—when he found that his
charater was to be dissected with that sort of minute
anatomy Which is .employed on a dead subject—when
he found that Mr. Canning's fame, which was the pro-,
peril of that House and the country, was attacked after
Mr. Canning's death. by those, who, if he had been
alive, would not have made such an attack--I(Chters);
it did make kis brood boil; and he had spoken and acted
.on the impulse' of the- fieliog so excited. When be
found that charges were brought against Mr. Canning,
and obloquy heaped on. him, be felt that, as a Mem-
.ber of Parliament, theta was,occasion enough for in-
dignation, and that heftwas. bound within thOse walls
to defend
shit memory—(Ciieeri). 'lt 'Mr. Canning%
policy had been *robe's the • Hoodurable • Gentle-
man 'should - have renumbered that .iir .had been
backed •by Parliament,. and-, shot if ..he deserved
when dead to be calumeiated4he,,oughl to have been,
impeached when living. lit.the.enpedition to Pornigal,
in his.policytowarclatbejferait4beild the House for
his accomplices. was,niler. tlie.sitifipenie of that
sot. -kh that hethedinadetheoheerealions:on fanner
'erenii/VBUt lidrLinettittutiti 'ra • ihtpuee• to aay class
'inert •triOttittef*: tilde Atit ''''Thk Hon. Member for
'Preston had opposed tlkspeCific ground
that Mr. Canning had always been:the enemy, to Par.
.Ffireoultundeestand such en ar-
ettnent ; but in the observations be had- made he had
riot meant to Cast refiettßitis on :itrtperitens. He did
'not meap to, say that certain Hon. Members had-not a
Onnisi fair oppossingillkgranLiestilit istissify'of the late
'Mi. Canniig. ailyglii;Opii!* that.tram;
if they. thought that•tbelatePrennes Ivo {lot SpOCiently:
iitipporter of the agricultural interests of die coontiy,
disgio-kappitt that,. doling a. late discussion, cer,
,acs: Matra hattbeenidiscussed.after the Gallas. had
beep' !feared .divisibti;' -and; theretom; • Jibe
proceedings were carried on with- Closed doeirs. • Nut
whet urto9.44acciteiisii# kt.wainht his
intention to refer to. He maintajpedution that, a,4•
wet
as upon elkiither occasions, *haulms-genies and talent
of ltdr;,Csimaing•were such as .to • entitle him to menl
. than washaw -proposed to be done in favour of his fa.
mill-. this was an opinion which he shOdid never shrink
frotn,atatinge. no matter how he might be placed, and
he trusted it would be acceptable tothose,Who heldithe
Memory of Mr. Canning in esteem. Hi lied:only-to
. add one word of observation upon a statement made
;by air kliitioutlible Member, and he could not help
votes:nig a wish that that Honourable .Membar -had
ei*t•''sisoidelf. hiving used the expression, or, having
;tail that 14714141 expliiried his meaning with .1 little
;coke pitelfoo....-The:gon.„Mensber intimated, with re-
leienee to a Ceiraio portion of the discosskin, th he
might, Who seers Do disposed, 'resort to retaliation—,
Mr..LEGH•XECK-interrapted. He appealed to the
recoil*, (oh' Of the' House Whether. he had said one word
of relaiiiiiiiti-4fler). . • • - ; •.. •
Mr. ICEcbegrd pardon; • the observation had,
beet Saadi' 410* fionotrable and Gallant Friend be-
hind him ‘Sjr.B.F,ergoson). 'But" What personal mo-
htives.coutd actuate 'biro (Mr. S. Ricej in'expressing his
sarsioncadmiration of :the character and ,talents of the
deceased• Statesman? In doing so, lie.should not please
the friads'of refurns,;-‘he should not conciliate those
with' hiiirbilally the honour of acting—nor
should he expect the:ipplause of those who sat on the
Treasury Benches:- he had given vent to the boccie
impulse of his feilings. He felt that the character of
the great and lalhented Statesmen, whose character they
• were ,discassiog,. was public property; and whilst he
regretted that any thing which might have fallen from
him should hive been' personally oftemive to any class,
of persons in. that, House, he. could not retract nor'
qualify any of the sentiments which be had uttered on
I previous evenbsg--(Cheers). •'t •• , .
• Mr. G. -DAMES regretted 'that . when the Hon:
Member for LiMerick thought' it necessary to defend
the character of the and; he should have thought it
necessary to have-remarked on the speeches uttered on
a former occasion by those who were now absent. In:
this respect he must be allowed to say, that the observa-
tions of the Hen. Member for Litnerick were not qiiite so
generous—(Hear). As to the Noble Lord alluded to by
the Hon. Member (Lord Chandos), he was absent from
this House on a public duty in his own county, and had
authorised him (Mr. Bankes) to offer any explanation
of the vote he had given, or as to the observations with,
which he prefaced it. The Honourable Member for
Limerick complained that the Member for Dorset'
(Mr. Bankes) had dragged into discussion the whole
public life of .Mr. Canning ; but he called oa the,
House to remember, that the vote which the House was
called upon to agree to necessarily involved a review.
of the public life of Mr.. Canning-,(Hear, hear). It
was called for on public 'grounds. It was said re we do
not ask this vote from you as on act of benevolence;
we you as an • act of justice, for the public
Cervices ask it from
ofmr.
Canning "-_(Hear,
hear).
It was there-
-fore incumbent on the House to conlider.the services
thus put forward as the•ground of the motion. He
'(Mr. G. Bankes) voted against the _motion on public
principles; but atthe sable time he felt the gteatest re-
verence for the talents of the late Mr. Canningoand
never.felt so much pain at any dote be bad given
during his life. As to the Hotta Member for Limerick
(Mr. Rice),. he had volunteered a defence, which he,
(Mr. Bankers) felt bound to say, in his opinion, was,
---,rookie. The Hon. Member had not said wketha,
of the 'report Which had been, pub%

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