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proposed should be adopted. He should like to see
it,,breathc spirit of independent thought, as well as
of loyal expression; of attachment to the Constitu-,
tion of the country, as well as of personal affection
to the King ; and he did not think this was such an
Address as ought to go to the Throne, or such a one
as the independent County of Lanark would wish to
send to London—( Hear, hear).—He should like to
behold some deviation from these loyal effusions,
which exhibit a servility and an adulation truly la-
mentable and disgraceful—(Hear, hear).—And,
therefore, he would wish some sentiments intro-
duced equally gratifying to the feelings of the Sove-
reign to whom they were offered, and creditable to
the principles of the People from whom they pro-
ceeded. Gentlemen roust be aware, that Meetings,
are now assembled, not with the sole purpose of
offering to the Throne mere assurances of their
loyalty ; but that the object of the present Addresses
was more to uphold the King's Ministers, than to
express attachment and fidelity to himself; and the
Sovereign, he was persuaded, must have seen that
the Addresses that have gone from Scotland, are
snore expressive of loyalty to his Administration,
than of loyalty towards himself—(Hear, hear).—ln
the Amendment he was about to offer, there would
be no reference to the present Ministers of the Crown;
.because he would consider such an allusion not only
as a breach of good taste, but as inexpedient in it-
self, and highly disrespectful to the Throne. But
in an Address coming from a County unique in Scot-
land, in sending a Member to Parliament (Lord
Archibald Hamilton), who has deserved so much
from his country from the independence of his con-
duct, and who, in this and other respects, has done
more, and deserved more than all the other Mem-
bers put together—( Hear, hear),—some reference
should be made to the circumstances and condition
of the People. Indeed, he might be said to be the
sole Representative of the Commons of Scotland.--
The political character of this part of the bland, he
was sorry to say, was not so high as could be wished,
and every exertion should be made to remedy this
evil. Look at the Peerage of Scotland, and compare
it with what it was at former times ; there is baldly
now to be found above one Member of that honour-
able body who supports his high station in the man-
ner which he ought to do—(cries of shame, and
some applause).—This censure might perhaps not ex-
tend to them all, but there was one, splendid example,
who was far above all the rest—it was unnecessary
to say that he alluded to the present Chairman, and
he hoped that the conduct of the Lord Belhaven of
modern times would be equally glorious with that of
the Lord Belhaven of the Union—(Cheers).—As'
he wished to be brief, he would proceed to read the
Amendment ; and he hoped if it did not meet with
the unanimous approbation of the Meeting, it would
yet experience the support and approbation of some
gentlemen around him.
After the first paragraph of the original Address,
which went to express admiration of the Constitution,
as by law established, the Amendment recommended
retrenchment, economy, and reconciliation, as the
best and only means to restore confidence and pros-
perity ; and that all the remainder of tire original
Address should be left out.

Mr. Mossmaw, of Auchterfardle, seconded the
Amendment.

Mr. CHARLES STIRLING, of Kenmuir, thought that
Mr. Hope Vere had totally misunderstood the original
Address. He had assumed that the original Address
alleged the country to be in a discontented state,
s hen no such assertion was to be found in it. The
Amendment proceeded upon that assumpticn, but the
Address itself was totally free from it. It merely
mentioned attempts to mislead, and attempts of the
Press to demoralize, but did not accuse the country
of being disaffected. The Amendment goes much
further than the Address, and asserts that these at-
tempts have infused into the minds of the People a
spirit of discontent—(//ear, hear, and noise).
Mr. NV. Notts stated, that if anything had been
wanting to prove that the Address contained what
his Honourable Friend had imputed to it, the last
speech had settled that point, and had made it per-
fectly plain that the Address impeached the loyalty
of the People and the utility of the Press: He was
sure that they all felt loyalty and attachment to the
King and Constitution every moment of their lives,
and he had no objection to express that loyalty and
attachment every day. But in a free country, such
as this, we ought to do something more than merely
express loyalty and attachment: and when mention
is made of the spirit of discontent and attempts to
mislead, we ought to examine into the nature of that
spirit and of the measures which have produced it.
As this was not done in the Address, he was sure
that there had been " a blast from the Treasury,"—
((;rH,fitsion and cheers).—lt was prepared merely to
meet a certain purpose. No person can deny, of all
the honourable men to whom he is opposed, that it
has been got up merely to support " a tottering Ad-
ministration"—(Hear, hear. Much clamour).—lf
this be not the case, the present Meeting has no
meaning at all, and is unnecessary altogether, as no
person will feel inclined to believe that the Constitu-
tion is in such imminent danger from mere "attempts,"
as to render it necessary to address the Sovereign so
repeatedly and so urgently. The supporters of the
Address must strew that there is some special reason
at present for expressing our attachment. This reason
was said to be attempts to infuse into the minds of the
People sedition, disloyalty, and immorality. How,
are we to address his Majesty for mere attempts? If
this be a good reason, there can never be either end
of or interruption to addressing. But it is plain, that
these attempts are presumed to have been successful,
and that they have been listened to at this time by
the People. This is the basis upon which the Address
is founded, if it be founded upon anything. And
what is this but accusing the People, in an ambigu-
ous, round about, and timid manner, of disloyalty,
and of being disaffected ? This is exactly the state-
ment of his Honourable Friend, and he must agree
with him in thinking that this accusation is untrue.,
The Provost of Glasgow knows that his large town
and the country around are at present quiet, although
some time ago treason was afloat in it. The events
ui Bonnymurr, however, had always appeared to him
to be liker the acts of lunacy than of treason. And
the Learned Lord Advocate would not have acted
with so much temper and moderation, if he had not
known that the great body of the People were sound.
The disaffection of the present time was of a different

kind, and arose merely from the acts of the present
Administration—(Hear, hear)—and that disaffection
may be easily removed by a change of measures or
of men—(Great noise and complete uproar).
Lord BELHAVEN begged that the Meeting would
listen to the Chairman whom they themselves had
chosen and that if they did not, nothing would in-
duce him to keep his present situation. He begged,
therefore, that the Meeting would be quiet, in order
that all might hear what the Gentleman was saying.
Mr. 'Nous proceeded to observe, that the original
Address held out that the People were well pleased
with the present Administration, which he did not
see how any person could maintain for a moment.—
He gave the Ministry full credit for restoring peace
to Europe, but could not say that the Ministry fought
the battle of Waterloo in Downing. street. He would
rather say, that it was won by the extraordinary and
unexampled bravery of our troops. When, however,
he considered the acts of the Administration since
that time, he could do nothing but heap living coals
of fire upon their heads. How did they behave when
employed in framing the treaties of peace? He ap-
proved of the Amendment, and would support it.—
He thought that it would be indecent and indecorous
to send up an Address to the Father of his People,
without something" like the information of the real
wants of the country, as contained in the Amend-
ment. Otherwise the Address would not contain the
truth ; and he was sure that his Majesty would dis-
like any Address which contained an inaccurate or
deficient account of the country, or which was in-
tended merely to flatter his Ministers. Ile had more
than the mere common reverence of a subject for his
Majesty. He believed him to be a most patriotic
King, and that he would take delight in having the
true state of the country presented to him.
Mr. DICKSON, sen. Advocate, of Kilbucko, said,
that a number of observations had been made upon
the war, but he must recal to Gentlemen's recollec-
tion, that no expression or allusion to subjects of this
description is contained either in the Requisition or
Address. What Mr. Inglis stated, is out of the ques-
tion. Ile must also remind them, that they are not
assembled to review the acts of Administration, but
to consider the propriety of addressing his Majesty,
at a time when a spirit of discontent—( Hear )—is
attempted to be infused among the people of this
country—( Hear, hear).—They were neither called
upon to recommend the dismissal of one Ministry nor
the establishment of another; but, as loyal and in-
, dependent men, to uphold the Constitution as con-
firmed in 1688, against the designs of mischievous
and deluding agitators. That schemes of this cha-
racter are entertained by sonic, common observation
fully discloses. lie believed that the intervention of
Parliament could alone effectually repress it. He
solemnly believed, that attempts were making totally
to dissever the two great political parties in the coun-
try, and to create that irreconcileable enmity be-
tween them, which will only prove the forerunner of ,
future disasters. The Amendment embraces sub-
jects with which this Meeting had nothing to do.—
County Meetings are not called to talk of economy,
or to restrain the Minister in the expenditure of the
public money. That is the duty of Parliament. He
could not omit that opportunity of expressing his
astonishment at the insinuations, and, he might add,
the most seditious language, that had been applied
to the Representation of this country in Parliament.
Are they to be told that Scotland only sends one in-
dependent Member to Parliament, when every Gen-
tleman must be aware of the impropriety of such a
charge Ile highly respected the character and pub-
lic spirit of their excellent Representative, but there
were some parts of his political conduct he felt him-
self obliged to disapprove. But, in adding hie re-
gard for the character of that Noble Lord, )ie never
would allow the observation of the Honourable Gen-
tleman, that Scotland only sent one independent
Member to Parliament, to pass without immediate
coral adiction. He could not but blame also the terms
in which he lidd spoken of the House of Lords, in
language calculated to excite general discontent. All
must know, that many Noble Lords from Scotland
do most faithfully and conscientiously discharge their
public duties. He begged Gentlemen to remember
the object of their meeting, to adhere to the reason
for which an Address was proposed, and concluded
by repeating, and shortly commenting on, some pas-
sages of the Address which Mr. Vere wished totally
to exclude.

Mr. HOPE VEEP. said, in explanation, that it was
more out of respect to the Meeting before whom the
accusation was made than to the accused, that he
repelled with indignation the insinuation of seditious
language which had been applied to him. Expres-
sions bearing such an interpretation, he never in-
tended, and trusted could not utter. While men-
tioning Lord A. Hamilton, he alluded to him merely
as the Member who attended more than any other to
the interests of his constituents ; and while he de-
plored the representative system of Scotland, he was
not aware that he was talking sedition. His remark
on the House of Peers alluded merely to the Scottish
representation in it ; and while he praised one Mem-
ber of it as pre-eminent above the rest, he did not
deny the others all merit, and never made any attack
upon the House of Peers.
Mr. DiegsoN said, that the word "unique" ap-
peased to him to justify the application he had given
to a part of the Hon. Gentleman's speech.
Mr. MiDoKALc, of Staffa, said, that he had not in-
tended to speak, but that he felt it impossible to allow
some observations which had fallen from a Learned
Gentleman upon the battle of Bonnymuir, to pass
unnoticed. That Learned Gentleman had considered
the designs of those days as the result of delusion or
lunacy ; but he well knew, from his own particular
observation, that they were the consequences of a
deep and artful plot, to overturn the Constitution.—
A faction had been formed to separate the two con-
tending parties of Whig and Tory, and to ruin every
thing—to extinguish the confidence of the people in
the higher classes—to rouse them to resistance, and
to involve the country in the horrors and devastation
,e 1 civil hostility. It was only, however, to the leaders
of this conspiracy,' and to those infatuated men who
yielded to these infamous propositions, and not to
the general body of the community, to whom he
applied the previous remarks. The exemplary for-
bearance they had displayed in the season of suffer-
ing, well entitled them to the approbation of all
classes. To them he could apply nothing but ex-
pressions of well-merited praise. No man, however,
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'and of estimating the extent of danger to have been
apprehended from the recent attempts to overthrow
the Constitution ; and being so circumstanced, he felt
himself constrained to deny the accuracy of the cha-
racter the Learned Gentleman had given to them.
Should the Constitution be again assailed,, he was
Well aware that only one feeling would pervade all
present. " And," said the Learned Gentleman, " the
Aristocracy would be the first to storm the breach
in defence of that Constitution, and to avert the
storms with which it ever may be threatened"—(lm-
mense applause).
Mr. Nous, in explanation, amid loud cries of
Spoke, Question, Chair, chair! said, that he would
not go beyond the bounds of explanation, but he could
not allow such a construction of his opinions as that
made by the Honourable Gentleman, to go forth to
the world. He admitted that treason existed, but that
from the moderation and humanity of the Crown pro-
secutors, he could not but think those efforts the re-
sult of delusion or lunacy.
KIRKMAN FINLAY, Esq. said, that it was quite
contrary to his wish to have spoken at the present
Meeting, but the extraordinary observations made
by the Honourable Mover of the Amendment, could
not be listened to by him without feeling indignant.
He lately had enjoyed the honour of being an un-
worthy associate of those who are said to unworthily
represent Scotland in the Commons House of Par-
liament. He had the good fortune to know most of
them, and he could say of them, that no persons dis-
charged all their duties to their constituents with
more zeal and fidelity than they did. He thought
further, that the insinuations thrown out against them
are a libel upon those Members. He had also formed
the same opinion of the attack which had been made
upon the Representative Peers, as forming part of the
Upper House, and as taking little or no interest in
the affairs of their native country. There was no
room for such comparisons as the Gentleman had
drawn. It was well known that the Scotch Mem-
bers of both Houses were remarkable for their intel-
ligence, public spirit, and disinterested patriotism.
The Afisendment recommended economy, but he did
not think that the conduct of the present Admini .tra-
tion warranted any want of confidence on this sub-
ject. He contended, that they were a most economi-
cal Administration, and had always shewn the great-
est desire to retrench, and far diminished expendi-
ture. He concluded by stating his approbation of
the Address.

Mr. CRANSTOUN rose and said, that he was averse
to coming forward on this occasion, as his very re-
cent connection with the county had not yet allowed
him to become acquainted with the kind of discus-
sion, or with the bu•iness of such Meetings. After
hearing, however, the statements which had now been
made, he could not run the risk of having his silence
misconstrued, or his opinions misunderstood. It was
not with the Address, considered in itself, that he dis-
agreed. There was no expression from the beginning
to the end of it, to which he objected when separately
viewed, or with which lie could not declare that he
agreed from the bottom of his heart. It was not with
what was expressed in that Address that he was dis-
satisfied, but with what was implied—not with what
was said, but with what was signified. There was
more in that Address than met the ear. In the sen-
timents of loyalty to the person of his Majesty, and
of attachment to his government, he and all who
heard him, he trusted, were unanimous. It was the
wish and the duty of every good subject to strengthen
the hands of his Majesty in the exercise of his just and
legal prerogatives. Every good subject must regard
these as a vital part of the Constitution, as the surest
defence of our rights, and the safeguard of our liber-
ties. But in spite of all this, it was impossible for
him to concur in the Address which had been pro-
posed. For though unexceptionable in regard to the
sentiments which it contains, its tendency is liable to
be mistaken on account of what it Wants.. He would
refer it to any person who now heard him; and he
was sure that there was no Gentleman in the room
who would disallow that there was implied an inten-
tion beyond what the terms of the Address, taken by
themselves, expressed. He would say more : it was
well known, that there were thousands of persons--
persons upright, honourable, and independent, who
placed the most implicit confidence in the present
Administration, who believed that the measures of
Mr. Pitt and his disciples were dictated by the most
consummate wisdom, and who thought that because
the Government was still preserved, that this was 11
alone effected by the prudence and good manage-
ment of Ministers—(Hear, hear). It was likewise
well known, that there were other persons equally
loyal, equally upright, and equally honourable, who
held opinions diametrically opposite ; who, though
they saw the King still upon the Throne, and the
Country saved from the perils of a long war, yet
think that those advantages might have been at-
tained by other measures—measures which would
not have impoverished the agriculturist, ruined the
trader, and brought the country to the verge of ruin.
His friend, Mr. Finlay, thought that economy was a
distinguishing virtue of Ministers. On this point
there was certainly great diversity of opinion, and
many even thought that they were remarkable for a
very opposite propensity. All were aware, that at
the present juncture there were thousands and ten;
of thousands of their fellow-countrymen who, in all
quarters of the kingdom, were loud in their expres-
sions of a very opposite conviction—who, addressing
themselves to the Throne in a legal and constitu-
tional manner, were praying for a change of mea-
sures, and in many cases for a change of men. He
wished to avoid political discussion; he would not
interpose his judgment in regard to these two oppo-
site and contending opinions. The truth on this sub-
ject was not the point which he would now bring to
issue, it was sufficient that the fact of this opposition
of parties was notorious. In these circumstances,
and at such a juncture, they were called on to vote
a loyal Address. In such a crisis, it was impossible
not to see that the object intended was, by implica-
tion, to throw 'discredit on those who thought diffe-
ready in politics from the movers of the Address,
and to use it as a counter-weight in favour of Minis-
ten, against the overpowering declarations of public
opinion—(Hear, hear). No one, indeed, could look
abroad at .what was doing in other Meetings of this
nature, and not be aware of the scope and intentions
of such an Address as the present. Looking at what
was done in other Counties in Scotland, he certainly ,
must regard the present Address with disfavour.
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he had alluded was not that for wi
was intended? whether it would no,
by all persons out of doors? whether
would not be openly professed by
the Address themselves, as soon as
at a close? If, then, it be not proper
of our fellow-subjects should be cal.
an Address like the present (vagu(
though it be, yet on that account i
to accomplish its true but unacl
becomes the instrument by which
be proclaimed, it was impssittle
his support. On the other hand,
tions could, in his opinit,n, be laid ;
ment ; and if adopted, it would obi
such inferences being deduced.
Address, it expressed loyalty to thi
ment to the Constitution; and it leo
sures of economy and conciliation-
if adopted, there was no one, he cot
acknowledge them to be kr the ad,
rity of the country. Before conclui
Gentleman made some remarks on
becility of that party spirit which
itself exclusive, or at least pre-emit
would brand their antagonists with
A firm and independent opposition
be they who they might, he consid(
of the Constitution. And he dept
measures of Administration and di
tending to create a distrust in the'
tion, and to vilify and degrade them
tion of the People.
Mr. LOCKHART, of Cambusneth
Amendment, because it attacked G
sinuation, and if adopted, would el,
the Address—(Load cries of" Quest,
Mr. HoPKIRK addresse the Mee;
the Address.

Mr. MONTEITH, upon intimatin
was informed by Lord BELHAVEN,
trary to all rule for the seconder t.
if the mover were disposed, he had
(Cries of " Question .''')
The .011 was called about half-;
P. td. Mr. JOHN DicKsoN, senic
Teller for the Adless, and Mi.. Ji
the Amendment, and Lold Bum.
state of the vote to be_
For the Amended Address
For the Original Address -
Majority in f.ltrour of the Ainendin,
The cheering, upon the announce
was instantaneous, and commut
Hall to the people out of doors, a;
itself through the town. -
Lord BELHAVEN, upon obtainii
that although he did not wish to
cumstance of his being their Chat
leave to state, that, had there been
would have given his vote for the '
It was now moved by Mr. HOPE
to unanimously, that the Address
Meeting should be presented to hi
Duke of BEDFORD, Earl FITZWI,
SKINE, and Lord A. HAMILTON.
Thanks were then voted to Lot
his conduct in the Chair, which mot
by acclamation.

A Declaration, in the current
ketable loyalty, was proposed at tit
on Saturday, and signed by Lord'
of the Post-Masters•General, by
three Minister ial Members of Parl,
other Magistrates. The Declaratiol
accompanied by the following Prot
" We, the undersigned Magistrates, acting
Division of the County of Sussex, having
upon in the afternoon of the second day of
on the proposition of one of his Majesty's f
to sign a Declaration similar to one Which .
Papers to have been adopted by the Magist:
Division of the County of Kent, think it %
the course of justice to declare—That, in
nets of the Court ought not to have been
Magistrates called out of Court for such
previous notice; but, that if any such intention
to have been mentioned on the first day of it-
ing to the usual practice, when there was
tendance of Magistrates. And we further
Mg to no men in our attachment to the
stitution, and holding in abhorrence all
the religion and morals of the country ,
pared as Magistrates to use our authority
all blasphemous publications, we still feel
upon by any sense of public duty to put
which we consider as brought rot ward
of upholding an Administration which
confidence of the Country.

Thursday last, a Meeting was be)
hall, in the Borough of Brading, _
the purpose of petitioning the Commons
liament to procure the restoration
name in the Liturgy, and those dis
perly belong to her as Queen Consort
and also to vote an Address of Cons.
MAJESTY on her recent triumph. An .
Petition were proposed and carried. The
filled by Joust JAMES, Esq.
The Nobility, Gentry, and other Fr,
County of We:ford, have unanimously voted
and affectionate Address to the KING.
Tows proposed the Address and read it, add
FLOOD seconded it. The Ilion SHERIFF
question that the Address which the _
heard read, should be the unanimous Address
County, it was carried by acclamation, all
vociferating gg Aye!" as if each individual
his voice should be distinguished from
A Public Meeting was held at D'Arcy s
Dublin, on Thursday last, on the subject of the!'
lent dispersion of the late County Meeting at
mainham. Colonel TALBOT was in the Chair.
FINLAY read the Report of the proceedings L
Committee appointed to obtain redress for that
rage since their last Meeting. The Coml.
said, had presented an Address to the LORD I
TENANT on the subject, but no answer had been
turned. Mr. CURRAN concluded a long and
speech, with moving a Petition to both Woes.
Parliament. It was nearly a transcript of the
morial to the LORD LIEUTENANT. The mown
carried with acclamation. A letter was
Dean PONSONBY, declining to attend the .
being occupied with the important duties of
ncal profession, but expressing his unqualified
probation of the measure pursued at the'
Meeting. Messrs. O'CONNELL, CLINCH,
DONNEL, spoke at consider 44 length.

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ngth.