Star.
London, England, 1827-03-10 00:00:00


IN A'
IMPERIAL PARLI aLENT.
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• HOOSIk 9F *IRAN -411.
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Lord NHA DI movetier Ketone anhielpoillif rte Ehmi •
end Lunt)? Wool imported into this ecallot ES a/ pa taiedhi
World, end of all. Woollens exported hno this watery to ail parte
Itoftint4.-.01400,
CaelthearAnneillhirilehoori, prowled is Account of the
timaisty of Mantifealsred Goods UM this country by
RUMS. SIPCO 1814.-4 AM on the table.
Vet LORD CHANCELLOR presented Petition from Sitting.
bosepeand Milton, In the County of Knit; from Dawilda, is that
tit Devon • and from Aibrighton, in Shropibire, gallon dm Catholic
Oallna.—laid en the table.
Lord MIDDLETON presented a Petition from the Lesdownem
ItaldOrk aod.its vicinity, against any attendants the Corn Laws,
on the table.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a Petition from
tilt Archdeacon and Clergy of the Deanery of Canterbury, against
the Catholic Claims.—Laid on the table.
Lord O W YDY R presented a Petition from the Landowners of
it Pariah in Perthshire, against any alteration in the Corn Laws.—
Laid on the table.
Lord FA L MOUTH presented Petitions from nine Parishes In
the County of Devon, against any alteration in the Corn Laws.—
Laid oil the table.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a Petition from three Pa-
lish's in the County of Devote against the Catholic Claims.—Laid
to tie table.
The Biaibp of CHESTER presented similar Petitions from the
Naivety of Chichester. and from various Parishes in the County of
Laid on the table.
Viscount LORTON presented a Petition from a Pariah In West-
Ineith against the Catholic Claims.—Laid on the table.
Lord Tint NHA M presented a Petition from the landowners
of Richmond, In Yorkshire, against any alteratioti in the Corn Laws.
—Laid on the table,
The Earl of KINGSTON pike:tested Petitions from Donouglt-
inore and several Patishes in du Ceinty of Cork, in favour of the
Catholic Claims.—Laid on the table.
Lord CLA RE presented a similar Petition front the Catholics of
Groom.—Laid on the table.
Lord KING presented Petitions from the Parish of Stepney. and
the unemployed Artisans of Manchester, praying for au alteration
Mate Corn Laws.—Laid on the table.
Earl STANHOPE presented a Petition front the Inhabitants
tit the town of Gloucester comphising of the grievances occa-
sioned by the Introduction of the Imperial Quarter.—Laid on
the table.
The Marquis of LA NSDOW N presented between thirty and
forty Petitions for Emancipation, from the Catholics of Padihni
In the City of Dublin; and in the following Counties:—
Galway, Kerry, Dublin, Cork. King's County, Wicklow, Wane
tick. Clare, biennium Queen's County, and from the Protoolont
Xtimenters of the Parish of liallycleare, in the County of Amelia,
lad those of the Borough of Cockermouth.—Laid on unstable.
CATSOLIC Q 0 nTtow.
The :Marquis of LANSDOWN, although he tole
to make a motion which might be conaideted one of
form only, thought that citcumstances justified him,
both as to what was due to his own feelings and ho-
nour, and to the feelings and honour of other individual
with whom he held communication with respect to the
step which he was to take, in trespating on the indul-
gence of the House for a few moments, and asking the.
serittus attention i f their Lordships. At the time when
he had given the notice which stood for Thursday, the
18tH inst. it was his intention to offer a motion on the
subject of the Petitions which he and other Noble Lords
had presented in layout of the Catholic Claims. If be

had been induced to abandon drat intention, he was
anxious to state that it was with a mind perfectly un-
changed as to the expediency and necessity of consider.
. ing that question, and as to the certainty that at no dis-
tant period their Lordships must come to its conside-
ration. He had thought it discreet not to allow any
precipitate step on his part to have the possible effect of
creating, or adding to the disastrous conviction in the
minds of the Catholics, that a majority of both Houses
of Parliament was determined to reject the consideration
of their claims. He felt deeply what the effect of such a
Conviction must be to oldie a step calculated to encrease
its bitterness. Whether, after moving that the Order be
discharged, is this, or in any other Session, he should
think it his duty to make sproposition on. the subject,
be was not prepited to disclose. Neither was he pre-
pa.ed to state whether the Petitioners would again
come to their Lordships, as he had had no other com-
munication with them than that of receiving th.'ir Pe-
nsions. But he could not leave the subject without
stating his firm conviction that, whether introduced by
himself or by some other Peer, the subject must,.at no
distant period, be once more pressed upon the House;
but in whit shape and under what circumstance. he
would not attempt to predict, or give himself the pain
of conjecturing. Let their Lordships consider deeply
in what a condition they left Ireland, on the admission
of those Noble Lords thews-lees who were opposed to
the proceedings which it bad been his intention to pro-
pose. If he had wanted arguments' to whew that the
state of Ireland must be altered before peace and secu-
tity could revive in her bosom, he would have found
nothing more convincing than in the statements of those
Noble Lords. Was a state of society so distracted as
they admitted it to be, one which might te expected to
right itself without interference? Let not their Lord-
' Mops tatter themselves that by a sma'l majority in this
be the other House, distraction c' uld be allayed, or those
feelings repressed, which had their source and principle
inhuman nature. That state of society in Ireland arose
vet of the state of the laws, as grass out of the land in
consequence of the seed pot in it. L t not their Lordships
Imagine that a vote could throw back a class increasing
to sttegglth and rising in ingenuity, knowledge, and talent,
or make it forego the advantages and rewards of lawful
ambition. Let them not think that it could teach a grow-
les population to hear without a murmur that stamp
degrada'ion fixed upon them by the existing laws,
which made them a caste in society. He therefore be.
sought their Lordships, collectively and individually, to
pond r well the state of Ireland under existing circum-
stances. He declaied, in the sincerity of his heart, that
if kfibuld be placed in the distressing situation of as-
sisting the Comic& of an ho.tile P• ewer against his
country, ti e first prayer which he should offer to for-
tune would be; " give ine Ireland as she is--(Hear,
hear.) with a great, increasing population—midi leaders
whose road to fame and foitune is cast in a direction
opposite to the interest of the State—with.a population
ender the influence of a Clergy alienated, iejected by
the State. and denounced by the. authorities of that
State as faithless and not to be believed—a population
deprived of those conducting' between the high and the
lower classes, necessary to preserve by splendid actions,
the streilgth and harmony of the whole." This was the
- condition in which their Lordships left, or rather aban.
armed Ireland—(Hear, hear, hear), When the time
should come, and come it might, when they should be
called upon to array the resources of the country in
strength and power against the resources of ancther
country, be it what it may ; let them recollect that they
must array them against a State which has no such dis-
abilities; and that they must place in the front of their
battles, persons conscious that they were stigmatized in
a way that no other nation was. He con pursue the
subject further : but he would not permit himself to in-
dulge its all the melancholy reflections which arose.--
file had nor personal wish or regret• on the question,
which will not bound up with the iutetests of the .m-

next be discharged,
The mode. having ben put and Weed. te,
The Earl of WINCHELSEA expressed his sincere
regret that the Noble Marquis should have abandoned
his intention of buinging the question before the House,
because the more it was discussed, the more would t'►eir
Lerdships be convinced that it was impossible to th.ow
open the e joynient of all civil lights and high offices
to men who professed the Roman Catholic religion, It
wa,► impossible to allow them to legi.late for a Pro-
testant Church and nation, without abandoning all the
principles and safeguards of the Constitution t yexhe
telt some consolation when he 'effected on the strong
language with which the Noble Ma►quis had declared
that uninfluenced by any decision he would bring for-
ward the questi:,n-....-

Here general cries of Order !" arose.
Earl BATHURST called chi Noble Lord to order.
The motion of the Noble Marquis had been put and
disposed of, and there was now no question before the
House.

The Earl of WINCHELSEA trusted that the House
would 'eseute him if his igitaance of forms had misled
him; but he tapsted that he should be allowed .so
express—'
. ',Here the Noble Earl was again called to order. and sat down.l
Marl Dar Mean laid on the table some !Rapers, which were
understood to relate to the Administration of Justice iti the Coto-
Hies.—Adjourned till Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
• ROTIINTILY RUCTION.
lir JOHN WROTTESLEY brought up the Report from the
Coventry Election Committee, which stated that theattting Mem-
bers were duly elected, sad that the Petition complaining at an
=doe Mutton was not frivolous nor vexatious; that the opposition
to the sane was not frivolous nor vexatious. The Report ano
Hated, that the Committee b.d come to certain resolutions, which
were read by the Hon. Member, stating that great outrages had
taken place at the last Election for the City of Coventry, sod that
the Mayor and other blagiArates bad bees culpably negligent of
their duty in not suppressing the same. That it also appeared that
serious outrages had formerly taken place at Eleetioos for the said
City. which was under the jurisdiction of its own Corporation
Magistrates, and the Committee therefore ree,mmentled that a
Hill should be passed to give tit.: Magistrates of the County of
Warwick concurrent jurisdiction in the said City. Sir Jowl
Waorresizt gave notice that on Friday, the 4th of May, be would
move that the said Resolutions be taken Into consideration. Ike
Hoc. Baronet then brought up the minutes of evidence taken oat
the Committee, which were laid un the table.

PZEREN ELECTION.
Mr. LEIGH RECK brought up the Report el the Committee
Co the Powys Electioo, which declared that the present Members
were duly eleeted.and that the Pctitiust complaining of the said Eke-
don was rot frivolous nor vexatious, and that the opposition to the
said Pention was not frivolous our vexatious. The Report also
stated, that grow bribery and est/option had been practi.ed at the
said Section, but that 31r. Manumit, whose return had bees peti-
tioned against was net privy to the said bribery mod correptiom—
Tbe Repots Moe stated, that Jabot Stanbory, VAG had be.. sum-
owned to give evidence on the said eiectieni bad aboduoded to
avoid encoding and giving evithruce.
Mr. LEIGH KICK moved that the Speakor do lane his war.
rant for the appreheosiOo of the said John Sunbury. •
The motion was agreed to, and the Speaker bmed Ma warrant
accordingly.
Mr. BING brought In a Bill for the Regulation of Watertown
or the River Thames. Read a twat time and ordeted so be seal a
second time.

Mr. BROUGHAM presented • Petition frolic Mr. Jobs Bur-
ridge, praying that a remedy-he had discovered for the dty thc ip
the Navy might be inquired into,
Me. nitouoHA ti said, a Petition had been put into Mahan&
to present to the Houle, from a naiive of Hammel, iisklast there,
and applying to • sumer in which the Ileac had no jorisdiaion.
He therefore would out present it, links@ informed by try Speaker,
that the person had a right to petition the Home.
The SPEAKER said, every subject had a right to petition Par•
nattiest; but not a foreigner, unless on a subject with whisk the
House could deal. The Petittun WAS out presented.
Mr. BROUGH•3I ;assented a Askew from the Cotton.
Spinners of Belfast, against the Dory on Coals; and a aiuular
Petition from Winchelwa.

Mr. BROUGHAM presented -a Petition from a perm° of the
mune of Gtathr.e, praying a reward fur improvements be had made
in the art of Guaging.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR gave notice. that as the 10th of May, he
would propose a mea.ure toe separating prucredings an Qmocery
from the Great Sea

root LAWS.
Sir N. COLTHURST presented a Petition front the City of
Cork, praying for a system of Pour Laws in IrelaiTd. The Petition,
he said, was agreed to at a Public sleeting, and excited a great
sensation, in consequence of which Meetings were held in the
several PWWISS of the City, each of which agreed to a Petition
against the introduction ut Poor Laws into Ireland ; and in Ws
opinion he concurred.

Mr. JAMES GRATTAN said, he had brought in a Bill for
the introduction of Poor Labs in Ireland, which was not sop:.
ported by his countrymen at the time, and therefore be gave it up ;
but his opinion on the subject had not changed, and he thought it
one of the greatest importance, and he would not fail to press it on
the attention of the Government, and the House.
Me. MONCIC said, the introduction of Pour Laws into Ireland,
was as muck an English Question as an Irish Qnestion, as till that
measure was effected, this country would be inundated by Irish
poet, reducing the English labourer to a state of wretchedness ap-
proaching their own ; besides which it cost English counties mach
to send Irish poor back to their own country. It cost the county
in which be lived 41,unti list year for that purpose. The pour laws
were the only posasitsle means or suppressing mendicity, which effect
they had produced in this country, and would produce in Ireland,
if wieldy introduced. He trusted the Seisioos would not be allowed
to pass over without an inquiry.into floe subject.
Mr JOHN NEWPORT end, the introduction of poor Minim°
Ireland would encourage idleness Lillis people.
Mr. DA WSON Gild, poor laws in Ireland would be agreed evil;
and there were no persons in that country capabkof administering
such laws.
Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD said,if any additional mks-
' routine ovoid be indicted on Ireland it was the poor Uwe.
pl Mr. H. GRATTAN sdd, the state of the poor in the city of
Dublin, from poverty and fever, was indescribable. The pole were
actually perishing for want, notwitinitatidiot iliesnalids were lisp.
ported by voluntary contributioas.
General GASCOYNE said, one-third of the poor tee of Laver-
pool last year was incurred by sending home Irish poor.
Sir H. PARNELL said, all attempts to relieve the poverty of
tits people of Ireland by aids front Government had ungainly
failed. H. said, what was wanted in Ireland was employment
for the people, which crud& only be effected by the introduction of
isapital, and that tumid only take place as a raineequence of equal law.
The Petition were then all brought op and read.
Mr. BRO WN LP W presented a Petition front the Chamber of
Commerce in Newry for a Repeal of the Duty on Coals.
Mr. HENRY MAXWELL presented a Patna' from the
Sawyers of London against the use of Steam Machinery in sawing.
He thought the taxes ought to be put oa property, instead of the
labour of the country.
Mr. HOSHOUSE said, some of the Petitioners were Ma coo-
stituents, and had applied to him to support their Petition, which
he bad informed them was Impossible. They, however, stated,
that sawing could be 11011 e by manual labour on cheaper terms
than it was now done by machinery, and that subject, be thought,
ought to be inquired into.
Mr. HUM said, the object of the Petition was to came a tax
on the use of machinery, whir* he was onalldeot, would thous(
the distress of the ommtry. He hoped Government would institute
an inquiry, which woali •
itenvitme the Petitioners .aad others of
their erroneous dais subjoa.
Sir JOHN penumted a Petition from a place is
Dombertanskim Me album* to emigrate.
Mr. 111.111Breseatall *Peed= imbibe 51dpWrights oI Souk

pets to which they were extended, and
:acre to ebentrience.
GASCOINE was understood to sty, that be iroidd take
td Mote for a Cdfitmlttet of Inqgirt on the subject of Bel-
dillingliVALACE asked, If the inquiries oldie prOposed Commit-
Mow" to be cognised to the nipping" interests etclulively ?
Viral G ASCOY N E said—Certainly.
Mr. C. GRANT said, that there was no objection to produce
the Orders in Council, as they might be h..d from the Csaette.
The Petition was then read, and laid on the tabk.
Mr. EDWARD DAVENPORT postponed his /notion to the
2.341 of May.
Lord PA L M BRITON mowed the order of the day for the third
reading of the Mutiny Bill.
Mr. HMS, Lord MILTON, aid Sir JONI Nricroax, expressed
wish that It should be postponed.
Lord Passings)* agreed, and the third reading was postponed
to Monday.
CORN LAWS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Day for goin.; into Committee upon
the Corn Trade Acts.

The House having resolved itself into a Committee
of the whole House,
Mi. W. WHITMORE rose in putsuance of the no-,
ace whiclit he had given, for the purpose of proposing
marlin Resolutions-At an Amendment to those brought
forward by the Rig'ht Hon. Secretary for Foreign
Affairs. He implored the House to give to th s goes-
lion, so important to all, and one of life and death to
sortie, the fullest discussion and the most ample consi-
deration. The country would nut be satisfied if any
measure were hurried through the Hotta., without a
fair investigation of all the bearings of the question,
and a much more general discussion than it had ob-
tained yet. He was of opinion that by discussion alone
could the ttue merits be ascertained, and the delusions
which existed be dispelled. &fore he went into a
statement of what were his views as to the measures
which ought to be adopted, he would detain the House
while he made a few observations upon the principle of
prohibition. He Wished to do to, because although the,
measures before the House were some improvement,
yet the improvement was but small, inasmuch as t*.e
principle of prohibition was connived by them. He
would first refer to the principle of prohibition. He
objected to that principle, because he was convinced
that it would tend to cause.great fluctuati n in prices.
In proportion as we raised the price of coin heie, we
lowered it abroad ; the only way in which we could
hope to equalize the price was, by allowing impor-
tation. He need hardly point out the effect of
fluctuation it was admiued to be most injurious
to the farmer. For instance, when the price of Cirri
was high for three or four years, the farmer did`not, in
consequence, reap a greater profi., his outlay being aug-
mented by the contingent expenses on the growth of
Corn, such as a conseqitent higher rate of wages, etc.
If then the price of Corn should suddenly fall, it did
not follow that the farmer's expenditure was imme-
diately reduced, and hence followed that extent of dis-
tress which had .been so loudly complained of. In the
years 1817 sod 1818, Corn Leached a very high price;
in 1821 and. 1822 it was as remarkably low. This had'
been attributed to the importation of foreign Corn
dining theshigh prices; islet he questi. ned whether the
importation. was the cause of the change. It was, how-
ever doubtless;coricurrent. It conic{ nut be supposed that
1,500,000 qrs. of Corn could be admitted without pro-
ducing some effect : but it ought also to be recollected
that in 1820, the harvest was particularly productive.
It was clear, then, that prohibition would have the
effect of raising Corn to an artificial price, and the
consequent fluctuations would be productive of much
mischief.. On these grbunds he objected to any
principle of prohibition. To refer to another part of
the subject, what would be the effect produced by rais-
ing the price of Corn in this country? Was it possible
that a State depending, like ours, on its employment of
capital, could continue to flourish if they introduced a
principle restricting that employment ? Cm tainly not.
The ic.ult would be, that if capital could not be pro-.
fitably applied in this country, it would disappear.—
He
called their attention its-this particularly. If you
raised the price of tore.hemot you depressed it abroad ;1
if you allowed the insportaiiewbf foreign corn, prices
would find a level of 55a:or labs. at present foreign
corn not being more than 20s. or 255. there was a dif-
ference between that price and the price of English
produce, amounting to 'about 355. Now was not that
offering a high premium to the introduction of capital
abroad, where it could be applied with so much,
greater advantage?—(Hear, hear, hear.) This result
might be delayed by our machinery, and by that natst:
tural affection which men entertain for the soil that;
gave them birth ; but a state of things might iski-,
mately be expected, totally different from that
whence we had derived our boasted superiority. Adam
Smith had, said, that if we raised the price of labour
compared with other countries, we enabled them to beat,
us in the price of their produce; and he instanced the.
fallen state of Holltand arwholly attributable to that
sort of policy, in support of AU Opinioa. *ripple
-fact was, such a course reclined the cooutry incapable
of affording a higher rate of interest on capital than
three per cent. while foreignets *were able to give ten
per cent. Capital would then leaire the country, as it
had recently left England, in various ways.-..in foreign
loans, and speculations not conducive to the country"'
interests. This was not a question of Whether a little
more profit should be given to the agriculturist or to
the manufacturer ? but it was a question in which
the wealth of the country was involved. What
vrotil,l be the effect on land, if the country lost its
capital ? As had been the case in Poland and
Germany, wealth would be wanted to purchase our
produce. The principle of prohibition was carried
to a considerable extent in the laws now proposed.—
It was difficult to see all the evils consequent on a
new law ; but he thought he saw sortie that pro.
mised to be of considerable magnitude. It was pro-
posed, that if the supply was not equal to the con-
sumption, above 60,. a falling' duty was to be com-
menced. Was it then to be supposed that holders of
tanheootduebesi;gt
theyt
the induced
wweteeoka keepliyd ssavey sct
eoman %o f great back,taakb eminegi Itasca
amount
far.
corn, when they learnt there was a deficiency, would
eaee duty?twhat
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enhye.
tionable; in reference to this view of the subject, if
would render fraud more easy. Under the present law, it
fraud were attempted, there was time for its detection,
and he believed it had more than once been corrected ;
but the regulation of weekly Averages would favour'

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.11110W1ILOW presented a nodose limos the. MAW' et
hopis and desires Of as oppiilssed populgtion, gbt be Armed., tu „rdtec.,, a thorkiir .I.ad,„.
esublsd Mt suggest such measures Is might restore the lie, BANILES a talkies frees the Ownerland Dan-
' tranquillity which they lidakitted was gone, and allay pierrW land in "on hat prellistietter Agrielliturv.
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the passions of which they proclaimed the fierce elk. Met UIOH ,ta a remise (rem me Owstris et
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tense. His only regret was, that they had not stated aitipplegß"l"ll"iste,ll in
theelpreseedQV a r P"t ►t ies for preseeidee to the
lateens:, the Male Has. Gent. the
the means by which this great; end could be attained. eke Presidsmor/ststlie Bawd et Trade, would lat biters the House ,1
He should now mere that the Order fixed for Thursday Coyle. riCthe hi Cowell respecting the Reelprothy Duties:
nett he disehntered. the ports to *Wit Mel were extended, and the times at which'