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lately beet conceded to his Noble Friend (Lord Ellen-'
borough). He should however not press his motion, if
the Noble Lord opposite, who held he believed a pm/A-
sian! seat ori the 'Treasury Bench, would rise and sore
to the House that the Government of which he formed
a part was not a provisional Government. If such an
explanation was not !Oren, or a declaration to that
effect, he should peraiit in callfog for additional infor-
asatioa. He wished to see into the state of affairs on
that side of the House. His Noble Friend had said that
he wished for fair fight and no favour. His Noble
[Prised must know bias too well not to expect fair fight
from him. But be had setted long enough not to
know the imp )(tante of ascertaining the condition elan
opponent, where his artillery lay, or where he would
plant his batteries. He wished to know the condition of
the Government. Was it provisional? Was the House
to understand that it was composed of shadows? He
had read the history of a shadowless man, bat there
now was a First Lord of the Treasury, who had many
shadows.—He wished to °sutras what the Foreign
now was, with what It had been when
11";)e;t7stetineRi.dative of his was at Its head. He under
stood that therattari bees as enormous increase In the
expenditure; sod it was reported that the First Lord
of the Treasury had already received, or secured a
pension of three thousand a year for past services,
which he would enjoy whether he remained in office
or nor He wished to ascertain exactly in what
condition that office was, and for that purpose
should move for the Returns which he was about to
describe. If he received no answer to the question,
whether the . presetst Government was provisional or
not? he should call, day after day, continually upon
the House, till the end of the Session, to ascertain that
point. He was sure that the Noble Secretary of &ate,
who held that office temporarily, would be very much
obliged to him to bate the Return be new called for.
because it would give him atropportunity of seeing the
large portion of patronage that was to be disposed of.
It was said that the First Lord of the Treasury bad a
great desire to return to the Department of Foreign
Affairs. There were certainly Loge additional employ-
!meats to be given away in that department, on account
"of the extension of our relations in B,uth America. He
wished to be .sati.fied a by the First Led of the Trea-
sury wan* to return to his focuser office? It was said,
in fact, than a short time the Secretary at War would
take the Vhancellorship of the Exchequer, and that the
situatiolflif First Lord of the Treasury and the Foreign
Office Would be united. He wished to examine the

deny it. But it is stated, that those overtures weft
received and put up into his pocket. It is NSW
that no communication of those overturn was ma.
to his colleagues. Subsequently the First Lord of the
Treasury went to Windsbr, and while there, as I
am informed, certainuse was made of thme communi-
cations; but without entering into what passed at WM&
sor, I will say that the molt has proved what took
place (on a future occasion I Matzzeritaps go into ele-
tails); for at present we see tbs d Advocate to
ipbom I have alluded, and the Roble Marquis too, aro
ranged on the other side of the Hoilse-a.(Hear, hear).
From what I can understand too, the colleagues of the
First Lord of the Treasury were ignorant of all this MI
tm days afterwards, and entirely ignorant of any use
having been made of it atWindsor. Nowt you May talk of
a cabal, but if those reports are proved. them is atm-
thee word to be made use of which I.*must cell some
_thing like intrigue. If those re pmts be tree, that the
First Lord of the Treasury should have received those
overtures and concealed them tam days from ids col-
,
leagues—if all this Amid come out, and should be
proved by the result of die segociatioss, I do think the
country will have to record something like what oc-
curred in our annals in the year 1809. When the Se 4
cretary of State for the Home Department heard ofthis
communication, he is said to have expressed his sur-
prise and exclaimed, " Good Goof it is not possible
you should have had this ten days or a fortnight, and
not communicated it to your colle.guesr Will the
First Lotd of the Treasury stand up and deny that?
I have no information on these points—l admit that I
have no informatidn—l declare to my GOD that I have
none-. 4 speak entirely from report; but I proclaim
what is reported to the country; let those whom it
affects deny it, and if they do deny it, I shall be the
first to throw myself on their indulgence, and re-
quest their pardon for what I have uttered in this
House. But a general notion prevails to the extent
which I have stated. It the Provisional Govern-
eat !ast, if the Provisional Government exist, I will
sift all the circumstances, and trust that in,the end we
will see ranged against us an intelligent and permanent
Administration. It was now impossible that it should
have the support either of the Whigs or the Tories.a.
As to the position of the Noble Marquis who had lately
left that side of the House, he was like a 6.h in the
water; propelled by his tail, for he understood that he
bad been urged on by the tail of his party—(Laughter).
He had the highest respect for his Noble Friend's talents
(Lord Goderich's), but if he were to be compared with
that max who held that House in awe or admiration,
Lord Lansdowne—(Cries of " Order!" Good Goo I
that Lord Lansdowne should have descended from his
pinnacle to serve en second under his Noble Friend 1:
No might be considered wrong to urge these matters,
but in every situation of life he had done what he ent-
ceived to be his duty. He bad done so for twenty-years,
and he should now stand up against the abominable in-
gratitude exhibited by a vile and venal Press against a
stable Duke, whom services were the salvatioo and the
honour of the country, aid should make the period hi
which they took place shine as blight in our records as
the sun in opposition to darkness.—'The Noble Marquis
then moved for Returns of the Appointments In the
Foreign Department at home and abroad as they stood
in 1824, specifying the names, stations, salaries, and
emoluments of his Majesty's Ambassadors, Ministers,
Consuls, and Secretaries of State; for Returns of the
ex raordinary expenses of the Foreign Department in
1841 and 1846 ; of the appointments in the Foreign
Office from September 182% to the present time, speci-
fying all persons by name, rank, and station; and for
Returns of all Pensions granted in the Foreign Depart-
ment, and of the causes why they were granted. His
object with rispect to the latter was to know whether
those individuals who had served as his Majesty's Am-
bassadors on the Continent, received any pension under
the Act of Parliament, whilst he, though he had served
' eleven years in diplomacy, had never received anything.

LeAra.
Visalia* QODERICB add, that the deemed so
Curs Lure &Madmen MI sow mood tot urn
was ready to tale* It be that day, hot If Ma name i
anodic* day mest utak more momidatt, ha Amid
any Ned& LINA to dame 000. _

After ems eorTveti;ticei between lord Itsaddepaadeli, the Ran
of aimaaaidear. RAM 111, sad the Rad et Litrieadaasorlid
did ea care whit day. pr k *odd set bi chaniiielltbesi
once aged, the mead man was SW for Priddy awl, add the
Leeds were Midge to be saawassai.

CAIIIIPLIC CLUNK.
Rai M Anti kLD moved dont hie mobs of a digtiee Genf
t CatbatM:Chime be Maenad, and Led fur did 7th of Jena.
Lot GUT thought it el mow imperemot ler the cogiadence
of the that ft &gold be hillimed of the impel sod tan;
dewy of the TIMM
Mut MAhiSTISILD Medi ilb d Illy bele MOM* et *bit
"d beta Ma Wesel loseedeon illetweimemba op twine a *AM
of Whits Me= thwamose epee the its
jeer of what,wag Ball
gad dedariag dig
=tielezehalim TM odleoW of the bridal
Se des WIWI til Mtge eibtained fftet ils Obeid
tome dedaratiso waft, she ills of Prelostant Naha
beets, and to pr ve taLfetme age/Odom eh the Protestant Coo.
bed bees the partook ef Me maim ; but witethity
he
'Meld precook or net with the bidet part must depend ee the
sheiks of his Mee& Though hit wed byltdoo should remale god
altered, is Medd be gelded by theirs ea to the jollity of such I •
dome. Tirbetielet ridicule Weld attach to Wont* for changing'
his Mentions, Is Mould submit to it, and would not Ino
moo him fault by 46, a mutton which might be tieroglit
net advantageous to she Protestant cause.
The modal was tine Motharged, and lied lot the 7th 61 June:
MeOtt steams.
The Red of BHA PT2IIBIIItY stated that a Commksion had
pawed the Great Lek the Master of the Rohe and till
lard Chief Barge of , Deputy Speakers, during the
absence et the Lied ;Meagher.

mg owidades
arest4
The or LAW _ ALI wished to kett* whether the
Calleiblddas MUIR had read, Was intended te constitute
the Meet* of the mo
tif than Reuse for the purpose of
trfiall Arras? arel that it *mid be improper that a
weals net a Pees Own bake Meade en nation which he might
base pamadjudipmeffist tenahereapusky. Under Lord Llvetpoore
Ad owe theiMediffelotwiddi there will I eretessed wish
to folk*, the Hebb who acenpied the dice of Deputy Speaker'
bad had the good ma to accept a Peetegt before he had ethos td
perform the duty el his appointment In that House;
The LORD CHANCELLOR begged to take spoil himself
the whole tospeadbility of the present arrangement, and hi wee
satisfied that their Lordships, mouldering it as it was, in the
light of temporary vacuum to meet the existing state of the
judicial basins* both la that House and the Coon of Chancery
would he of opinions that it teas prudent and proper. The Noble
Earl bed *vetted to the pracke ender the Administration of hie
Bari of LiVerpookbut there was a. ptecedeut of an fleetly similar
nature *der that Administrations Thee were seventy Scotch
Appeals before their Lordshipejlouse, and forty from England
and Iceland; for netwitbatanding all his aitirity, latttligcnce, and
industry, to which be luitl at last fallen a vidtbn, the Noble and
Lensed Lard who filled the one of Deputy Speaker last year
had ealy disposed of fony.eight appalls. It was with a view to the
existing state of the business that the present temporary strange.,
meat was framed. It was proposed that the Chief Baron of the
&chequer- should sit two days in the week to hear Scotch Apa
peak in the Hanes that the Master of the Rohs sheold sit coeds), ;
aid that tbie Lard Chancellor should * two diays to hear Sigh*
and Irish Apia*. Foe if Noble Lords at the saint of the
keine' ha the Court of Chancery, they would see that it would
be impumible fee Maw to eft mere tkaa two days away from that
Ceara Appeals: world thew be beard Ise be days in the
House, and the remaining filar days, which the Lard Chancel*
for would be able to dedicate to the Court of Chancery. would
enable him to keep down the business in that quarter. It would
not be fair or just to him to launch him with the whole *tight of
the buskins upon his shoulders; but If he were allowed to turn
blastoff round, be pledged himself, before the uric Session, or erana
atter its commencement, to bring forward a permanent plan for the
effectual discharge of badness.
Mid Earl of LAUDERDALE only Objected to the ledittiduff
appolated to act as Deputy Speaker, nee basing a sOat in the House.
As to the Learned Gentleman *be was to MI that Mice, there was

ground; of that great love for returning to office..—
Whim he sew the changes that had taken place in the
Gammalent, which had been, by the wisdom of our
ylever allenstort,'or by the most wise and greatest men of the
/tate, eitablished upon a regular system—when he saw
y thing overset-r-he :pole as an officer with respect
to the army, and would s ,y that looking at that arrange-
man, he could not notice:4mnd how it was to be conducted
union it was meant as-throw the whelemenagensent of
tbeatemOntn Atheist's. of a Moister, and that he shook}
ausn' strenuously oppose. Let there always be an in-
dividual to take that department. who would be able to
select good Officers—who would be competent to give
cers their merits and promotion, and who would
ve with them in the field ; but if the army were to be
ditected by a Secretary at War, that would be quite a
different thing. It Was not only in this depaitment, but
hi ail the departments of office, that there was a cow
end entire deficiency, 'and for- this reason, that
embody knew whether those now in office were to retain
*dr situatiops or not. When he saw his Noble Friend
(Viscount Guderich), (and let it be understood that no
had more private friendship for him than he had),
tat when he saw him on the other side of the House,
having in his ranks the champions of Reform, who had
passed over from that side of the House, he declared
that there seethed to be a revolution in the opinions,
feeiings, and sentiments of this country that was enough
to paralyze every rational man. Humble and inade-
quate as he was to the task, he performed it from a con-
scientious feeling, and from no ether, and he should act
press forward, if he did not think the present arrange-
aunt one of the most contemp, ible that had ever been sub-
mitted to the British Legislature—a most mean one to
arrest and step the fair declaration of the opinion of the
country. How could the Noble Marqbis who used to
lead that side of the House eo over and lay himself
under the direction of his Noble Friend? Were they
to wait with their hands tied till the House of Com-
mons were turned right about, as they had been threat-
ened, without knowing who were to -form the real Go-
vernment? Would such great men as Mr. Pitt or Mr.
Fox have entered into sech a Government as a provi-
sional one like the present? He would go a little fur-
ther before he sat down.—(Laughter). If the present
state of things continues, added the Noble Marquis, I
shall certainly feel it my duty, although I do not pro-
fess to be able to prove before the House what I have
heard, yet I will feel it my duty to submit to this House
the reportithat are in circulation. Now, in respect to
those reports, nothing is so easy as a simple and distinct
contradiction; an! tf I hear that contradiction given, I
will not only apologise to your Lordships for having
unnecessarily occupied your time, but acknowledge
that I have been guilty of a most unpardonable indis-
cretion—(hear)—if not, I will state to this House and to
the country all the details that have come to my ears
with respect to the late negotiations, changes, and this
provisional Government. And though I may be ar-
rested in this House—though I may be attempted to be
written down by the vile and venal press of this country
—though that press may ridicule me, and endeavour
to place me in a situation which, I would venture to
say, would be very disagreeable to any man of feeling
—whether I am arrested in this House, or put down by
a venal piess, I say, I will tell theirs both that all their
satire passes by me as the idle wind, which I regard
not; and I will stand up here and distinctly state thole
reports which I have heard, and which may, perha
induce Noble Lords in this place arid persons in another
place, to deny disti Wl' wrist is alleged in public. It
ts said that a certain great and eminent barrister did
mote an taia overtures, not only with respect to himself
aid his party, but with respect to a Noble Marquis and
his party to the First Lord of the Treasury. I stake
what I now say from mere rumour—(Hear, hear)—
Slat if it be not true, nothing can be so easy as to

nose more able than the present Master of the Rolls. The Noble
and Learned Lord said that the English and Irish Appeals were to
be beard by the Lord Chant,Der.
The LORD CHANCELLOR stated, that they mast, of ties
comity, be beard by the laud Cluster Um.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE saw no aternity Why English
and Irish Appeals should be tried by the Lord Chancellor, rather
than those from Scotland.

.Lord HOLLAND would not allow it to be inld that Appeals
were tried by the Lord Chancellor, oe by the Deputy Speukers.-•
They were tried by the House, and not by any individual Member.
*The Lord annalist or the Deputy Speaker attended during Ail+
peals—not to try them, but fbt the put post of awing the Hoos,,
and giving their opinion when haled upon to do so. There war
therefore no change proposed at present in the constitanieo of the
House. A change bad, indeed, been made, but it was that reeont4
mended by-the Noble Earl himself. some years ago, which he
(Lord Holland) bad opposed, because it seemed to admit the Oil+
dpi. that Appeals were to be tried by a few:LlTlie Lard Chancel.
her himself coeld not give an opinion without quitting the Woolsack
and speaking as • Member, and if the Depety Speaker resided
and the Lord Chancellor entered the House and mingled in the
discussion, his seat would be, not on the Woolsack, but at the bead.
of the Duke's Bench, as the first In dignity.

Viscount DUDLEY and WARD should trouble
their Lordships with a very few words. He should
give the Noble Marquis no other explanation than this t
that he' had accepted the situation which he heldo be-
cause he was convinced, by the opinions of his friends,
that he might serve his Majesty at a time when the
services of every subject were more than ever useful to
him—(Cheers). The shorter they might be would,
perhaps. be better for the country ; but he should assure
the Noble Marquis, that, in the discharge of his func-
tions, he should not be deterred by idle clamour of
groundless charges—(Cheers). With respect to the
motion, it was not his wish to suppress any informa-
tion, but the papers were so complicated that, without
wishing to create any unfair delay, he should ask for
some notice before the motion was made, in order that
his Majesty's Government might consider whether all
the Papers could or were 6t to be granted? He should
not want a distant day, but merely a short notice.

The conversation ha►ing dropped,
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that the Chia Baron of
the Exchequer and the Master of the Rolle he allowed to Mt to
hear Appeals in the House as Deputy Spealteria—ordered.

OASIS LaWS.

On the motion of Lord %umlaut/Vs, the Game Laws HUI
went through a Committee of the whole House. The clauses were
read one by one, and several verbal amendments having been
made the House resumed, the Report was received, and the
ordered to be reprinted with the amendments. -
The Bari of SHAFTESBURY moved, that on Wedsamtay nest
the Standing Order be carried into Watt to ballot for that: lord•
Alpe to regulate tit* anagrams@ on Appeals.—. Ordered.
Adjourned at Bassi iCaoci.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that as the
Papers were made out quarterly, no great delay
could arise in furnishing them. He had, however, no
disposition to press the matter, but ha was determined
in getting at all necessary information, The Noble
Marquis had heard' that great alterations were 'con-
templated at the Foreign Office; amongst other things
he learned that it was intended to bu Id a magnificent
house for the Foreign Secretary—(Hear, hear.)
Viscount GODERICH had no doubt that most of
the Returns could be made, but not without difficulty.
The Noble Marquis had 'hewed him his motion, and
he (Lord G.) had tequested him beforehand to make
some alterations which would facilitate the return. He
had even asked him to leave him the paper one day or
two, that he might assist him by putting it in language
which would render it more easy of esecution.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that he
wanted the papers wh chhe called for, and not his Noble
Friend's assistance.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH assured the Noble Mar

HOUSE OF COMMON&
An mown was presented at the Bar, of the &Wow as 4
Charge of locila.—The Hon. W. Lam took the oaths awl his sesta
MANI mom

Mr. C. CALVERT presented a Petition from the Market
Gardeners of Ideserorth, Terkkenkans, Lk:. praying to be ea.
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empted from the operatieW of the Bill new in progress, sod to he
snowed to set &eel Traps and Spring Guns for the protection of
their property. .

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STllll2ll.r
Sr ROBERT WILSOIt presented a Petition from a Publican
at Coventry. complaining of the Licensing System.

COLIIWALL 1011

MINIM COMPANY.

Mr. Alderman WAITH M AN gave nonce, that on Friday seat
be would move for a Committee to inquire low the allegations of
Petition he bed presented relative to the conduct of the Cornwall
and Devonshire Mining Company.
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Mr. W YVILL. after referring to an "Portion, co a former day,
that the inhabitants of York were adverse to concession to the
Roman Catholics, laid upon the table a Petition,signed by the teed`
Mayor, Recorder, and 4,000 residents in the City of York, praying
the removal of all disabilities affecting the Homan Catholics.
Air. M. FITZGERALD begged to take this opportunity of
postponing his notice (standing for to-morrow) relative to the Unica
with Ireland.
The SPEAKER asked to what day the Hes. Mosher meant to
postpone
Mr. U. FUZGERALD replied that at present he meant to
withdraw kis motion altogether.
darationThe• Mogarquusigskiofos.CHssimA NtleOrSwbegied to
who,
be
setis attentionst:s t bsewil:l.,

gni% that nothing was more common than to put mo•
Liens into the bands of the Treasury, in order that they
should be so worded as to facilitate the returns.
After a abort asneenatloo, the motion was withdrawn, sad the
Noble Maggie gave write Ot it for Wednesday Dart.
IIT&T11 OP TIM VATIOJII.
The Earl of WI NC H SLIM% infornsol d►.ir I ercishipa that
h had net made op hie wind as to the day when ht elionhi w►mis