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TNsTitucTioNs v, YOUNG 6PORI'SNIEN,
1 on the Choke, Care, and Managewnt of Cluns•, Hints fur the
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Whit a concise Abridgment of the prutcipal Vante Laws. By
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.The Si.cosio but i JuN, with Explanator y
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following are -extracts relitive to the first edition, which
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Earl FII2WILUANI moved, as an amendment, that those
middle men who had nt.t their rows to their Intti:t.rds
at until not have a rig,tt to avail tht anAlres of the provisions
the Bin. . .

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On this amendment a diision took place—Wl- the atneo3..
meat, 6—Against it, 7—Majority, 1.
The Bill then pa%ed through the C. mmittee, and the Home
having resomed, was ordered to be repro red ta-morrow.
On the third reading of the Bristol 1a l Velito Bill, a consi-
derable'discussion took place, in which Lord EtteNnottcuc.n,
I.urd :aid the Earl of STAN/lien took parr, Litter
which the Bill wao read a third time and f.aosed.
The Copper Token I ill tray road a third tinre and pusea.
The Sugu Boltity But. the Baua C. cal Mil, the Va'arcii and
Ward, and Snath •ea Cra.le Bilk. were read a anon.' time.

Mr. Bunco ets, front the Coattnnns, brnhyht up Ike >nounling
Bill, the Exchequer Cunsulidation Bill, tilt- Newioundland
sage Bill, and ►everal otb►r Bills, which, were read& fQret time.
The second reading of the li ish Grand Jury Fieschnteut and
Habeas Corpusßills was postponed.

Earl S I'ANIII>PE gave ounce of hill Intention to propose
some amendments to the Hydrometer 13iil to-morrow.
Adjouravil till to-nzurtoo (this day).
HOUSE OF 'COMMONS.
The SPF.AKER was summoned to the House of Peen, and
at his return inhirmid the House that he 1.441 heard the Royal
Assent giv.ii by Commission to several talic and Private Bill ,
ktor which see Lo;
A Person from the Bank presented AccOur.ts of the amount of
Bank Nixes and Bills its circulation.
'1 he Metrup.ilie Paving Bile went through a Committee, the
Report was then received, and the lidl ord‘red to be tvad a third
time to-morrow.
Petitions were presented .from Liverpool and Bury St. Ed-
monds against the Leather Tait.—Ordered to be referred to the
Committee on Leather. .
The Rape Need Bill, the Newfoundland Pa%seogers' Bill, the
Vitriol Bill, and the Holyhead Harbour were read a tkla
time and pastel.
• On the motion for thf?.third radial; of the Surrogates' Bill,

Mr. WA IMF. cont,.lained that three Vice-Adoit ralt y )t.rlges
were continued at large Salaries, when there was nu duty to be
performed.
Sir W. SCO replied.—The third readirg was then posb
ponel
Mt. HOLME.i mover! the third reading of the Gas Lights Bill,
and atter a few words front Mr. Jur:Le,
Mr. Airlernian A objected to the powers given to the
Gas Cons: any, and moved. as an amettil.nee:, that the bib be
read a third dose that day three n.einri a.
Mr. CAW MORN opr.:oried the VI.
Lord COCHR ANE olli.ciest to the Bib, which he contended
would destroy the Whale Maks'', &raise. He atm contended,
'bat ,he Gas Company 'cyanid Le unable tu fulfil the engagements
they hat! made to the Public.
Mr. HOLMES defended ell Bill, and observed that a clanee
Would be by way of ti acr, which w 041.1 °tap the Com-
pany to pr..stirt, at partteular tintes, an Aitco:int Ut the state of
their Funds.
Strangers were then ordered to tont we understooi
the House did not d:vi
On entering the Ca Ltry we fauna lit. lioness propostnes
Clause,' to oblige the Ws Company to repair tie L'averneute User.
may have OCC34:011 /0 ()leak up Phis was agreed to.
71Ir. 1101.Mh:r tlsen proposed attotter Chime, which was,
that the Company ',heard preach[ 1. half yearly Account of the
state of their

Mr. Al.lertn.iti A IsKIN:i while.' that the Account mentioned
in the Clause sla.x.ol be laid before ra:liam:ott, not before the
,Secretary of S.a:c. He also wished that the Account s'outsld
not only ceatsin the state of the Funds of the et.inpany, but
also the nature of their proceedings. la conclusion, he moved
that the further consider-At:on of the Bill thouhl be postpunedlid
toonorrow.

The Gallery was chared for a division, which, however,
not take place and while we were minded, the Bill was read a
third time and passed.

IRISH VICE TREASURER.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
moved the third reading of the Treabury Consoli-
dation Bill.

Mr. BANKES übjected strongly to the clause al.
lowing the Vice Treasurer to sit in Parliament, and
to anothin- cl.risie under which a separate salary would
be paid by the public to his Deputy, to enable hitu
to some into P.sliament for no reason whatever. He
was not desirous of entering at that time fully into
the 13iil, but lie would confine himself to points con-
nected with these claus.n. The first clause to which
he wished to call their ay.:nation was clause 13. crab.
ling the Treasurer to make amoigemeats respecting
the new office, but not specifying cs hat. salary should
be Oven to the pioposed Deputy. Provided the sa-
lary to a D: puty was not paid out of the public
purse, be would not object to a provi.ion by which,
in case of sickness or any accident. the place of tide
Vice Treasurer might be supplied; but he i.bjzcted
to the appoimmeot of that sort of Dt•ploy Ls- the
execution of the office by which the offi.:e 0 the prin.
cipnl would be converted into a sir.ccure. He ob.
jected to the payment of two salaries, that to the
Principal who nominally, and that to the Deputy who
really executed the duties. It had happened to him
metre often perhaps than to any Metober of the
House, to be counected with Reports of Commit-
tees and other proceedings relative to offices. under.
stood by the name of sinecures. The recomou.ada.
tions of these Committees had been attended with
various success, but he always understood. that the.
House bad come to a unanimous deterinindtior—•
'though they would not touch vested riz::hts ox the

preto7atives of the Crewn—that no future sinecores
should be mated ; ;rot 1w had not expected to see
the day when an office even necessary in itself—(but
as to that lie would speak by and bye)—should be
created a sinecure in the Principal. and an office in
the Deputy, and the public burthened with the pay-
ment of bath—(Hear. hear.) • In the second of the
Resolutions adopted in 1810, in consequence of the
Report of the Finance Committee, p. 413, it was re-
solved by the House that t ffices should be reduced to
that expense to the public which was really incurred
by the discharge of them. With respect to the office
of Vice Treasurer, there was no responsibility at-
tached to it ; and Moo° a year, the sum stated by
the Right Hon. Gentleman as in ccattemplation to be
given to the Deputy, and whiCh might be considered
thet efore as the estimate of that Right Hon. Gen-
thanan of what was a Air remuneration—was, in his
awn (Tinian, an adequate compensation to a person
ci; a csodition in life sufficiently high todischarge the
duties of that purely Ministerial office. There was
a Commission now sitting, a triumvirate to whom
were delegated the power of examining into the
whole expenditure of the country, for the purpose of
punting out what could admit of retrenchment, and
doing what had usually been done by a Committee
of the House; and ice had no doubt they would exe-
cute the duties committed to them in the mode eio
petted from them—(Hear, and a laugh.) Was it not
astonishing that while such a Committee was cutting
don every thing superabundant and beyond what'
was required in our expenditure on the one hand,
there should be such a rich harvest as this preparing
for them on the other-(Heor, hear.) Wbat motive
co'ild there be for appointing a Deputy, but that of
bringing a principal away from his duties ? The
office of the Vice Treasurer was purely. Ministerial;
and he had to issue no money but on the warrant of
the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. What bad be to do
here? His business was to.watch over the issue of
money in Ireland exclusively. The salary at which
the office ought to be executed was the salary of the
Deputy, and pot that of the principal. It was a
new thing in this country to bring an additional
placeman into the House, ..here be had no dillies to
discharge, and where he could nut come without
neglecting those duties for which he was appointed.
He had no objection to the power of appointing a
Clerk to officiate in case of sickness or accident, but
that person ought to be paid at the expense of his
prit.cipal. The 1-lonour.ble Gentleman concluded
by moving an Amendment to the Clause authorising
the issue of money fut the expenses of the Vice Trea-
surer's Establishment, the effect of which was to ex•
c;ct,:c hum t!-.e expeioes to be allowed that of the al•
lowJnce to the th•put y —Void cheering.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said hls Hon. Friend in acknowledging that he saw
tto objection to the ailowanace of a Deputy, pro-
vided tie was paid by the Vice Treasurer, had put
thar qu'ltion oq very narrow grounds. This was
giving up the question of so attaching the Vice Trea-
surer to Ireland ; that he should not be removed from
it on silly groenda. The question was not now whe-
ther he should be allowed the assistance of a Deputy
in any case whatever, but simply whether the re-
duced salary of se2ooo should be farther charged
with that which was necessary for the adequate pet.
formance of the duties by Deputy of an office to
which no one man could be supposed able at all times
m give an incessant and unremitting attention ? His
Honourable Fiieoti had stated that the proposed al-
lowance to the Deputy of £IOOO, which, however,
was no part of the Bill, but a subject at the lutuie
discretion of the 'freasury—(He.sr, hear, from Me Op-
positi") might be taken as an admission that this
was the sum required for the execution of the office.
But, in the first place, he would deny that the Vice-
Treasurer had no actual duties to discharge, and that
hit office was a sinecure. In all ordinary times the
Principal would have to discharge the duties, and
the Deputy was only appointed to supply his place
in.thom times when he happened to be absent. But
even suppling the duties to be habitually discharged
by the Deputy, his Honourable Friend would observe
that the Principal was charged with the whole re-
sponsibility of tie Deputy. Was it the same thing
to entrust the responsibility of the office to a person
with a salary of £IOOO alone, and to give £IOOO
a year to a Deputy, under the responsibility of a per-
son receiving a larger salary, and having the direc-
tion and controul of that Deputy.
Mr. TIERNEY said, in considering the present
question, it was material to understand this distinc-
tion : the present was not to be viewed as one of the
great sinecures for life, but as a sinecure Suring plea-
sure ; and therefore the person who tilled it ought to
}mire no Deputy whatever. However, he had no ob-
j iction to allow him a Deploy, under particular cir-
cumstances. not it would be a waste of the public
money to pay a Deputy not appointed for the conve-
nience of the public, but for the convenience of an in-
dividual who was already overpaid--(Hear, hear.).—
Ministers had thought it would be more palateable
to the House not to name railooo as the salary of the
Dzptity, but to obtain a discretionary power to give
whatever the Treasury pleased. They had however
sufficient specimens of the discretion of the Gentle-
men at the head of the Treasury to enable them to
anticipate the result without much difficulty, that
£IOOO a-year was to be given to a Deputy, in order
to enable the principal to quit Ireland, where alone
he had duties to discharge. This was what they
were sow called on to vote. There was not a man
in England who would misunderstand that vote.—
This Bill had brought his Majesty's Ministers into
great waits in the public opinion.—(Hear, hear.)—
And by the vote to be given either they would be
disgraced or the House would be disgraced.—(Hear,'
13y that vote it would be seen whether they
were to be held up alone to ti:z shame which was so
richly their due, or whether the House were to parti.
cipate with them in their disgrace, and to record that
oisatace for the benefit of their Constituents.—
(Thar, hear.)
Lora C Ab r LE R E AG H said Ministers had not con-
sidered this susbjec t with reference to one branch only of
the public service; they could not discharge altoge-
ther from their minds the general coustitatioa of Ire-
land, and the various duties connected with that
country which bad to be discharged in that'Houses
It would be a prejudice to the public service of Ire.
land, if no individuals of that rank in the State which
was known by the appellation of Privy Councillors
vete to be in offices considered as integral parts of

dovernment. to aid Minister: in the discharge of their
functions. The Right Honourablet entle:nan (Mr.
Tierney) had seemed rather to pride himself on the
circumstance, that when he held an office in this
country he did aot embarrass his Deputy in the dis-
charge of the functions belonging to it. He had no
doubt that the Right Honourable Geni!eman did not
conceive he was acting on any venal principle in ae-
cepting of a saltily of four thousand isounds a year
for an office in which, strictly speaking, he coUld
render no adequate remuneration ; because it was
known that many important services, besides those
more immediately connected with their offices were
in various modes performed by officers of the rank of
Privy Councillors. He would ask whether it hark
ever been the practice of this country to make an of-
ficer with a very moderate salary to pay also his De-
puty ? If the House had thought fit to grant this
Officer a very large and liberal salary, it might have
been contended that the public should not also pay
the Deputy; but •as the salary had been cut down
to 02000 a year, he did not think it could be con-
tended that a gentleman of character and respectabi-
lity would be sufficiently paid if a deduction was to
be made for a Deputy. It was to be recollected,
that a Deputy was absolutely necessary to the exis-
tence of this office, for the issue of money was of
such urgency as not even to admit of a momentary
delay. The question as to the salary of the Deputy
involved also the competency of this officer to sit in
Parliament; for if it was to be decided that the offi-
cer should pay his own Deputy, the office would not
he worth the acceptance of such persons as would
find their way into that House. The question was,
whether there should he any representation of the Irish
Government in that House ? or whether it should be
degraded, from its station in the_ Empire It was
eminently unfair to look at the proposition as an in-
crease of the influence of the Crown. It was not a
creation, but a modification and regulation of offices.
It was a measure favourable to public economy, and
a diminution of the influence of the Crown. It was
a reductioi4 of five offices which might be held by
Members of Parliament, and was so far beneficial to
the liberties of the people, as a reduction of the in-
fluence of the Crown could be so. It was to be re-
membered din the United Parliament had passed
Bill by which twenty placemen under the Irish Go.
vernment might hold seats in that House; but after
this Bill, even including, the Vice-Treasurer, there
would be only seven. He therefore thought the ob-
jection to the clause was an unfair advantage taken
of the change of officers, to attack his Majesty's Go.
vernnient, because this was a subject on which Par-
liament was particularly jealous. As to the Resolu-
tion which had been read by the Honourable Gentle-
man who moved the amendment, a resolution which
had been adopted by the House, as to the diminu-
tion of the influence of the Crown by the abolition of
sinecures, it formed only one branch of an extensive
system, which would in other respects have much in-
creased that influence, by authorising the King to
r bestow pensions on officers who had served the State
for a certain number of years. It was therefore not
fair to take that Resolution, insulated from the sys-
Item by which it was to have been followed up. He
would fairly appeal to the House, whether it could
be said that the Bill would create any increase of the
influence of the Crown, and whether tie adoption of
the amendment would not break down altogether the
Irish Soverninent in that House?

Mr. STUART WORTLEY agreed that k would
.be of service to the Irish Government that the Vice
'Treasurer should sit in that House, but he conceived
that to oblige this Officer to pay his Deputy, would
not exclude him from the House, especially as it
would be in the power of Government to bestow the
office of Vice•Chaucellor on a person who was also a
Lord of the Treasury. Unless he heard any thing to
I prove that these offices were incompatible with one
Another, he should support the amendment.
Hon. JOHN WILLIAM WARD [amidst cries
of Question, Question, withdraw] said, it was Abe duty
I of the House to be vigilant to prevent an increase of
public expenditure, or of the hilluei.ce of the Crown.
But in the present case, he thought the jealousy which
had been shewn was unfounded.—( Hear, how, from
the Opposition side.)—He, howev.2r, respected that
jealous', as it well became the Ht,use, which was
the chief guardian of public independence, and the
only guardian of the public purse. He thought it
necessary to say a few words to explain his vote, be-
causs a sort of accusatory tone had been assumed
towards the supporters of the measure—(Hear, hear,
from the Opposition)—in a sufficiently Parliamen-
tary, but in a sufficiently intelligible way. He should
attempt to prove that the office, which was created
by the Bill, did not take any money unnecessarily
out of the pocket of the public, nor add any thing
unnecessarily to the influence of the Crown. He
thought his Noble Friend below him (Lord Castle.
reagh) had taken the true view of the question—
(Laughing from the Opposition side)—and to that
view he had little to add. He was glad that an ar-
Kumeot which had been used bad been abandoned.
It had been said, that the salary of the offi(e should
be large, because it was an office of trust ;' the defi-
nition of an office of trust was, that the holder of it
might cheat the public if be would. Now in this
sense the Vice-Treasurer did not hold an office of
trust. The true and manly defence for the office was
that of his Noble Friend (Lord Castlereagh), via.
that it was improper to make a further reduction in
the official situations of Ireland which had seats in
that House. He believed it was agreed ma hands
that some Officers of the Crown should have seats in
Parliament. He should go further and say, that if
pit was necessary to choose between extremes, he
should prefer to allow all Officers of the Crown to
sit in Parliament, than to adopt a measure of general
exclusion. A general admission of official persons
would be a shock to the Constitution, but we should
still have the best Government in the world ; after a
general exclusion of the Officers of the Crown from
that Hcuse, the Government would not go on for an
hour. One reason for the admission of the, Officers
of the Crown was, to explain the measures of the
Crown; but another reason was, to hold up some
reward to honourable ambition. This was a principle
which had been acted upon by the Whig Govern.
menu of England for near a century, and there was
a peculiarity in the state of Ireland which rendered it
improper to diminish the number of Irish Officers in
Lind House. This bethought was manifest from the
increase of the wealth and population of Ireland,
and particularly of the political population.—(4

largli.)—By the extension of knowledge in that coun-
try', the number of persons in that kingdom, who
took an interest in politics had increased, and it W 4
not proper to diminish the number of offices which
were open to them as Irishmen. He thought the Bill
before them had met a hard fate. An addition
should have been made math. title of the Bill—it
should have been also termed 4, a Bill for putting in
practice economical reform, and abridging the influ-
ence of the Crown."—(Hear, and a tngh.)—lndeed,
he doubted whether the administration which htd
been supported by the Gentlemen opposite, though
much entitled to respect, had done so much to dimi-
nish that influence by any one measure.—(Hear,
hear.)—The time might come, by the change of po-
litical circumstances, when he might have to congra-
tulate some Gentlemen opposite to him, on the ac-
ceptance of the new office now under discussion—
Tam° tempus erit maga° cum optaverit emptum
Intaccum Panama, et auto ppulia iota &mope
Oderid—
The opposers of the Bill would then.larnent the re-
duction of the Office, and hate the vote of Monday
night ; hut he hoped they would not be induced to
reform and regulate it—that was to say, after their
own ideas of reform—by making the possession of it
compatible with another office which it was intended
to contiotil.—(Hear, hear, from both sides of the
House.)—As to the influence of the Crown, he
thought it a fair subject for a general inquiry and
regulation, and not for pat tial attack and skirmish.
—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition side.)--He
should conclude by giving the aunt his unhesitating
and sincere vote, a vote unhesitating because sincere,
and of which lie was as little ashamed as any enemies
of the measure were ti their opposition.
Mr. LAMB said, he had not intended to have of-
fered himself to the House, but for the line of ar-
gument which had been taken by his Honourable
Friend (Mr. Ward) who had spoken last. Though
he agreed in some of the general principles of his
Honourable Friend, be did not agree in their appli-
cation, but if he had confined himself to those fair
and serious arguments, he should have had little to
Object to him ; bitt he had indulged himself in sar-
casms against, an Administration with which he (Mr.
Ward) had always acted—(Leed crier .f hear)—and
in support of which he bad uniformly voted. Among
other topics of ridicule, he had attacked the measure
which enabled the Auditor of the Exchequer to hold
the office of Lord of the Treasury. When that
measure was before the House, his Honourable
Friend had seen no objection to it. The new lights
which had shone upon his Honourable Friend's mind
from his new companions, might have given him
more enlarged views on this subject ; and he congra-
tulated him upon the justice of his new opinions of
the Constitution, so advantageous to the interests of
the country— ( Hear)—and to his own —(Heer)—
character—( liear)—lt was an Utopian principle,
which he (Mr. Lamb) was sorry to see adopted by
some friends of freedom and reform, that no servant
of the Crown should sit in that House. But it could
not be contended that any other official person should,,
be admitted into the House, but those who were ne-
cessary to carry on the business of the State. It any
others were admitted it would have been better the
principle had never been adopted at all. The Vice-
Treasurt:r of Ireland did nut come within this de-
scription, and on this ground, and on the ground of
economy. he should support the Amendment.
Mr. WARD explained, that his opinion of the
Administration alluded to had not changed. As to
the particular measure alluded to he bad not been in
town when it was proposed—(Hear, hear, and a laugh).
► The House divided—For the Amendment, 11:—.
Asainst it, 149—Majority, 88.
The Bill was read a third time and passed.