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London, England, 1818-03-14 00:00:00

SOLITAIRE ESTABLISHMENTS.

On the question for the third reading of the Mu-
tiny Bill,
Earl GROSVENOR, in pursuance of his notice,
rose to move an amendment thereto.. It was his in-
tention, he said, to move the introduction of an
amendment in the preamble of the Bill,, for the pur-
pose of reducing the number of the forces proposed

as the Military Establishment for the year. He must,
in the strongest manner, enter his solemn protest
against such an enormous Military Establishment at
the present moment—a time of profound peace
throughout all Europe, and when the finances of the
country were so little able to bear such an expense.
His Lordship then proceeded at some length to enter
into a detailed view of the subject, in which he gene-
rally impugned the extent of the Establishments as
proposed by the Bill as unnecessary, extravagant, or
unconstitutional—the last in the view of keeping on
foot such a large standing army at a period of pro-
found peace. The pe4ce establi_sl
tailuit as proposed,
after long and elaborate consideration, he thought
would be a preferable model: and he glanced at the
present military establishment of the United States
of America, which did not exceed 8000 regular
troops. With respect to Ireland, if the important
national question of the Catholic Claims had been
properly decided, and wise regulations respecting
the distilleries adopted, he thought a much less force
than that now proposed for that country would do.—
The Home Establishments he thought excessive, and
upon the whole, when he felt so satisfied is to the
loyal and tranquil dispositions of the great body of
the people, he could not regard the keeping up such
an enormous force but as a species of slander upon
his countrymen. He was confident of their attach-
ment to the Constitution of the country. He must
protest against the idea, that because people were
inimical to the Ministers, they were therefore, as a
corollary, to be deemed inimical to the Constitution.
None could forget that the treason of last year was
actually put down by a serjeant and 18 dragoons.—
If he entertained no other objection to the maintain-
ing such a numerous body of military troops upon
the Continent (which a Noble Earl, on a former night,
had asserted did not cost the country a shilling), still
that which he entertained upon political or constitu-
tional grounds was enough to decide him against the
measure. He liked not co.ntact with the military
despotic Powers of Continent, as such tended to
infuse unconstitutional principles and bad habits into
the soldiery; at least for the meridian of this country.
Great alarm had been expressed on the subject of
emigration from this country, and some persons had
gone so far as to propose an Absentee Tax. Ile,
however, regarded this alarm as equally groundless
with that which had been made the foundation of the
Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act. Attachment
to British Liberty, and the Constitution, was too
strongly implanted even in the most humble of the
natives of this country, to suppose that foreign allure-
ments could have any serious effect. Even os the poorest,
" Dear is the shed to which his soul conforms
" And dear the hill that lift, him to the storms!"
He may find a finer climate and more verdant plains;
but he has left at home sonic dear relative, sonic
brother, to whom his heart

" Still turns with ceaseless pain,
" And drags at each remove a iength'ning chain !"
If, however, it was wished to drive people out of the
country, no better mode could be adopted than that
which Ministers had resorted to in the last Session of
Parliament. To accomplish such an object, it would
only be necessary to repeat the Suspension of the
Habeas Corpus Act, and to expose theni to all the,
machinations of spies and informers. From the.view
he had taken of the state of our force, he thought
that a deduction of 13,000 might be made. He
should therefore move, that, instead of the words
113,000 men, in the bill, 100,000 be substituted.
Earl BATHURST combated the leading positions
of the Noble Earl. The present circumstances of the
count bore no comparison with those in which it
stood in 1806 ; the reference, he thought, was by no
means applicable. With respect to its extensive Co-
lonies, the country was placed in a situation far dif-
ferent from that of any former period ; and in the
reference to the Establishment of the United States,
the consideration of its numerous Militia was not in-
cluded. The Noble Earl's idea, upon which he dwelt
most forcibly, seemed to rest upon a supposition that
the force so kept up had nothing to do but to enslave
the people ! Let their Lordships for a moment con-
sider the distribution of the force. In North Britain
there was the numerous and overwhelming force of
2500 men kept up. If the Scots were capable of
being enslaved, did the Noble Eat! think that 2500
men could effect the work—(a laugh) ! A nume-
rous portion of the troops in England were stationed
along the coasts, in order to check the contraband
trade ; thereby contributing to the important object
of a due collection of the revenue. With respect to
any idea of keeping down, or acting unconstitu-
tionally against the people of England, in the great
body of the country, what number of troops did their
Lordships think were applicable? Why, with the
eaception of the London service, and a district of 25
miles round it, there was the immense number of
four thousand men—(u laugh )! The service of the
Dock Yards occupied a comparatively considerable
number ; and with respect to the service of the Me-
tropolis, the necessary number for that duty was
usually calculated on a principle, that the number
of troops engaged for that purpose should be equi-
valent to the proportion of three nights in bed for
one on duty ; but in the present instance the number
of men was so restricted, as not to allow them more
than two nights in bed for one on duty. A fair and
candid view of the whole amount and distribution
would, he hoped, establish the plain intelligible pro-
position in the conviction of their Lordships, that a
greater force was not kept up than the circumstances
of the empire rendered necessary.
Earl GROSVENOR should trouble the I louse with
a few, and only a few observations. The Noble Earl
who had just sat down had, he said, entertained their
Lordships by a humorous description of the employ-
ment of the troops at home. But whilst he compli-
mented the Noble Earl upon the brilliancy of his wit,
and the vivacity of his imagination, he must deny
that his (Lord G.'s) arguments were well founded.
The Noble Earl then briefly repeated the substance
of a tale from the Decameron, describing the manner
in which the eyes of a Prince had been opened to his
town condition, the arts of his ministers, and the dis-
contents of his people, which his Government had
carefully concealed from him. This was effected by
a virtuous courtier, who dressed out a monkey in the
Prince's robes (the animal, no doubt, being delighted
with the contemplation of his person in all its mag-
nificence,) then decked out the hounds and curs of
the Court, as the imperial council, and lastly, had the
humbler animals, such as the cats, rats, &c. chained
and oppressed by the former. The Prince was dis-
pleased with what he considered a satire upon his

person and government; but, upon re{
and profited by the lesson thus conveyer
The question was then put, and tilf
negatived v.atheut a division. The b;ii
ingly read a third time and passed.
After some Mi./ate Ms had been
stage, the House adjourned.

11017 SE OF COMMON'S
Accounts were I.resented of the &mu r,cei.:
missioners fur the Reduction of the
paid Prize Money at Chelsea Ifospital.
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The Waterloo i:ridze Anstadment lldl
second tint.

Mi. I•AItQL-11.4,1t preiereed a f
Burgh of %tontrose, praying to be elerilp*.e.4. frt
of the fic:itch Lunatic. Asylum hill.—lead, an
Oil the table.

General I lART presented Peti•icre
County of Donegal, complaining of th,
LawL—Read, ordered to lie on the

Sir W. SCOTT presented a Ptitif)ll
Heads of ColitEc. of the I .nivt Ox
for the Amendment of the 'false 110 A 6.—.-11
lie on the table.

Alderman WOOD presented a Pci
tants of Lynn, against the Indenmity
to lie (13 the table.

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WAILRE presented a petition fr
Proprietors of the Grand Junction Wat,
ordered to be referred to a t ommittre:_

Lord A LTHORP brought up the Bin
ditional Duty on Leather, which was gi
dered to be lead a second time tan the uih .1
Mr. LUSH N To N observed, it the
cellor of the Exchequer, that it was the
Honourable Gentleman to oppose the Bea•.•
Mr. W. SMITH presented a pecitior
of Kirg's Lyre. against the Indus:. icy
to lie on the table and be printed.
Mr. CALCR AFT moved for Actc_
produce of the Salt Duties for the last ta.sc::
TITHES.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished brit Il rc •
Curwen) would postpot e the motion f• . •:
the Tithe Bill till Monday, on accc:r.:
the House for this evening rot be IQ.
proper discussion of so importact a -1.1- . ,•.
Sir W. SCOTT said a tew worth ,i-
-ponement, that the subject might reieirt
it had occasioned considerable alar:n.
Mr. BROUGHAM replied, that it w ,
he solicited the postponement, as he wi-hid
quieted, being sure that it would he thew:: ti
out foundatior.
Mr. CUR WEN asserted to the rostponem
rooks' taws.
Mr. 5T1.11.6 ES BOURNE propo.,rd the •
the Vestries Meetings (fill. Ills wish was,
Hills for the amendment of the Pours' 1,21,
forma, to have the blanks filled up, that they
and circulated.—The Bill was testi a s cold
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, there wen
which it would be advisable some provisions
I As the law now stood, before perscnir wit
homes, the Magistrates, though they had corm
vagrancy, were obliged to commit them fir
well, which, as 70, 80, or even 100 were son.i
in one day, perhaps natives of Ireland, was ai
as expensive. lie should be FIALI to we a
enable the Magistrates to send them directl. t
There was also a penalty of vol. upon the P.>-
ft-red vagrants to escape. This fire was to be
titan ; but he thought it would be much Ift!:-.r
fine which might be summarily isvio!, •!.t f
bably half the persons forwarded to then.
Mr. S. BOURNE said there was
Scotch and Itish Vagrants, which Le
F and to answer the NVorthy Alderman's
The Bill was then read a second time, ei.
Report received and ordered to be further
Bth of ApriL
Mr. S. BOURNE then brought up the B.:
Laws for the Relief of the Poor, a mtesi.re c
former Bill, which was immediately
stages, and the Report ordered to be further
Bth of April.
PETITION ON THY BREWERS'
Mr. CALVERT having moved th.
Day for resuming the adjourned Deb.
Lion against the Brewers, observed,
pared to go into a statement whit
pletely refute all the allegations in
But wishing to spare the time of the I
not go into the subject at any length
Member would move for a Commits
Petition should be referred. It cert
most serious charges against the Brew
who were accused of having wand;
rious drink, poisonous to all the
should now sit down to ascertain
would be given.
Mr. W. SMITH said, he bad tra••
subject very closely, and if he might
nourable Friend, it should be left to
Gentleman who presented the Petit;
the Committee, which he- thought
wisely. He thought there was no
made out that could put those
Brewers) on their defence, as there w
had to answer but what was ansss
port as it now stood. It appeare;
of the business was reducible to two
The charges were, Monopoly and .
Now, the fair inference was, that if t]
the quality were agreed on by thi
might be a monopoly ; but if the
agreed on, and it was left to every 1
the beer of what strength they plea.
be no monopoly. The charge of
ridiculous ; for the penalty was
would not be worth their while t.
while the process of adulturating
quantity of beer must be evident t,
ployed. The supposition was too
therefore to refute this charge that ;
desirable, but if the Petitioners desit
reason why it should be refused.
Mr. I'. NIOORE thought the Ito
at what situation the Petitioners 'e
they failed to prove their allegatio
be in danger of the pillcry. Ile di
made out for a Committee. The
to be swayed by the number of n:
this Petition, for they had been c;
the alacrity of electioneering, ant
been called on and solicited to sign
Mr. CALVERT spoke to the sal
Ling the obtainment of the signattn
in the Petition were three in number
poly, mixing deleterious articles wit]
vancing the price without any in
With regard to the charge of monor.
said. The parties combined to eff'
be eleven. The charge was ridicu.
The Hon. Gentleman had stated,
price was advanced without any rea,on
but the reason was, the Chancellor of the tv;et
had laid on an additional duty on beer of 1;,•
and there was an increase in the price of m,:,
hops. But the same frivolous charge, wen:

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occasion was the War Duty on
qua} to 16s. a quarter. But in
le price, because the 16s. a quar-
Che lion. Gentleman then adver-
orter in 1762, as compared with
lops. Mr. Beaumont had said,
1 Cie price they would not fix a
would say that there was no
Aolis who, since 1799, had made
by any advance. He would not
y any statement of figures ; but
Beaumont's statement, he would
not one instance where he had
hat he had published them cor-
te had no occasion to tell the
veers of London were not in the
poisonous articles into their beer.
given convincing reasons why
ne. They must be brought into
t loads. It had been said, that
al proceeding s, that the brewers
sides malt and hops. He would
history of these legal proceed-
; back, the Editor of a weekly
;Toss libel on the brewel-s of the
g them with mixing with their
link:Lit:Lim, opium, deadly night-
acco. The brewers thought pro-
Court of King's Bench, for leave
formation against the Editor of
'as granted ; and affidavits were
they swore that they used nothing
in the manufacture of their beer.
ent to prove, that they mixed no
nts in their beer while it was in
t any other time whatever. But
this did not go the length of the
And therefore the rule was dis-
e last day of Term, hut the par-
,erty to apply for another in the
Ire this period, however, the Edi-
iitential letter, saying, that he had
Article from another Paper, and
top the prosecution. In cnnse-
steps were taken against him,
towards him, and partly from
,ricary Gibbs, that they could not
sufficiently satisfactory, however
:o prove that none of those sub-
ise of. As to the Petition, it had
the streets on men's shoulders for

people were persuaded that by
Id do away monopoly and get
1, the best place for so ditty a
acking-maker's shop at which it
lily most strongly condemned and
luct of some Magistrates in gran-
ae should net trouble the House
ins on this subject. He should,
e great regret if this Petition were
uto a Committee, that Mr. Beau-
ibited in his proper colours, those
fagistrate, who had come into the
vard his own interests. Indeed he
shrewd opinion that he had some
activity he had shewn ; he might
opular candidate, and returned on
people for the part he had taken.
regretted that the Honourable
!wn such a total want of temper..
of Mr. Beaumont ; but the Yeti-
hands, and he had been induced
ras the Petition of 14,000 persons,
supposed, though many of these
r orders, they were incapable of
ley drank and paid for. With re-
of obtaining signatures to petitions
ly complained of; he utterly ab-
n this instance they had only been
conduct of certain political peti-
who had originated that method
ch to blame for it. One Hon. Gen-
ed that this petition was an attack
ablishment, to which he belonged.
nothing of establishments as con-
terests of individuals. As to sub-1
iers to the pillory if they did not
ttions, the idea was absurd. The
eman had denied that the eleven
used deleterious substances ; but
leave to say, that they were only
nselves. They were all Gentle-
mr and character, but they could
the trade. There was one part of
one of the Honourable Gentlemen
as what related to the licensing.—
mt it was not right to represent
tied man, acting from selfish mo-
the very Gentleman who induced
y the evidence he gave, to express
ellension of the evils resulting from
wing, a system which leads to no-
,,n and inju,:tice. Now, in order not
I lonourable Gentleman, he would
taio:l be referred to a Committee.

,ver, saggrnted from the Chair, that
q.-:mber could not make this motion

iat for the petition lying on
ly withdrew it, and Mr. Blat-
t the Petition be referred to a Com•
'as agreed to, and the Committee

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