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Jett' but lie thoight that the sablitent,conduct 110. frOni *OW 1,41:0141*, Stittfrod yet I
the Honourable baronet was an tneciutagentlei the and .tbese, froni the., best, aufotmation be had oft the
mischiefs which ensued. .
. inbjett,, appeared increase inproportion as instil-
Sir THOMAS TURTONNsaid,-that if the HoUse luxes diminished and it was. pr °boat, that if the
yras to refuse this Petition, it would give the signal of State LOttery were abolished, those Little Goes would
rejection to all others.. • increase in a still greater degree. Under-these cir-
Mr. CHARLES YORKE thought that the Peti. cumstances bethought there was no iubatantial reason
tion was intended *a direct insult to the House, and for declining to raise the Je50,000, whidh would thus
in that case he felt it his duty to oppose its reception: be produced. He farther stated, there was a Clause
Upon a consideration of his own conduct in inducing in the Bill befere them, enacting that every office
the House to commit Gale Jones to prison, he felt should have a lkence to prevent three or four being
firmly persuaded that he bad acted io consonance . opened hy.as many persons having one licence among
with his Parliamentary duty, and he felt equally them, as heretofore... ..„ .
vincesl, that the House had acted, in every sense of Mr. WILBERFORCJ was against exciting a
the word, as becaine a proper Itespect for themselves spirit Of gaming among the people. He noticed the
on such an occasion. On the committal of Mr. Gale tricks resorted to by Lottery, Office keepers in their
' Jonea, the House was by no means thinly attended, placards, which could only be intended or expectet
intiAbeßesointion had been adopted nemine ceniradi- to succeed with persons in the lowest. situations of
etate.: The time had arrived when it became neces. life. .The revenue always suffered while the Lottery
sary to stop the current of slander and abuse, which was drawing, through the dissolute conduct of those I
' was flowing with 'a dangerous rapidity. on the pro- ..who became adventurers. If the Lottery were alio-4
ceedings of Parliament. In this opinion, he felt proud r lished, the people, being more industrious, and the
to assert,a Right Hon. Gentleman, low no more, and . taxes in consequence better paid, would soon give
whosedeathbesincerelylamented.(Mr.Windham)had more than an equivalent to the sum annually raised
coincided. He had no -apology to make for his con. iby lotteries.—The House dividedi,--Ayes 61—Noes
duCtoart ahis Octasion' and when he heard it asserted, 24—Maiority in favour of the third reading 37.
that he Wits the cause of &spilling of innocent blood, The Bill was read a third time and passed.
he denied it ;it was not to hh the cauies of the dis- The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and
torbauces, were to he attribisted, but to Sir Francis the House adjourned at two o'clock this morning.
Burdett, to Aim alone he conceived blame MO
imputable.
Mr. BRAND expressed his astonishment that the
Agile of 'petition 'So ihtiniatelv connected with the
Constitution oUthe country, should be considered a
matter of little signification. With respect to the
petition before the House, he conceived its language
in fair contradiction, if properly interpreted, was
such as ought to be received by the House. If there
was not a palpable intention on the part of the Peti-
tion to offend the House, he thought the House ought
not so scrupulously to question its contents.
Mr. VANSITTART explained; although he
could not approve of every part of the Petition, he
hoped it would be received by the House.
Mi. CREEVEY delended the conduct of Sir
Francis Burdett, whose domines, he conceived, were
Sperflictly in unison with the Constitution ; li© could
not see, therefore, upon what ground the Honoura-
ble Gentleman (Mr. Yorke), could accuse Sir Fran-
cis Burdett of having been the cause of shedding in-
nocent blood. He wished to know why the motives
of Sir Francis Burdett were-to be questioned any
more than those, of the Right Hon. Gentleman, to
whom he conceived the cause of the disturbances
might more iltirly be attributed. He concluded by-
moving, in consequence of the thin state of the House,
that the further (Wince -of the House on the Petition
should he adjourned until to-morrow.
Mr. YORKE in explanation, said he did not mean
to assert what had been the motives of the Honour.
able Baronet, but he oould conscientiously say, that
the result of Sir Francis Burdett's conduct had led
to the shedding of innocent blood, and in that fuel-
ing he must unegaivocally assert, that the cause of
innocent blood being shed, reseal with Sir Francis
Burdett alone.

The CHANCELLOR of to EXCHEQUER
thotigltethe'queition had been sufficiently agitated,
and therefete opposed the adjournment the debate.
Mr. DUNDAS expressed a hope that the Hon.
Gentleman wou'd withdraw his antenonent.
Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that other occa-
'slons might occur to answer the: Right Hon. Gentle-
man (Mr. Yorke) on tho explanation which he had
given, He could not but admire the conduct of the
Right Honourable Gentleman in vindicating himstif
at the expence of another individual. He advised him
not to judge, . lest he should be judged, and with that
observation he should at present conclude.
Mr. CREEVY then withdrew his amendment, and
the House divided on the question whether the Peti-
tion should be laid on the table or not

COMMT: COUNCIL

After the discharge of a considerable deal of rou-
tine business, the Court proceeded to the Considera-
tion of the notice of Motion for taking into consi-
deration the late alarming assumption of privilege by
the House of Commons, and the necessity of Parlia-
mentary Reform."
Mr. Quo: rose to submit a motion to the Court.—
He trusted that the topics which it would be neces-
sary for him to touch upon were so deeply impressed
upon the minds of most of those who heard him, as
to make it unnecessary for him to go to any great
length of observation- in support of the motion he had
to make. He was glad to see the interest that ihis
subject excited, front the number of persons who then
attended, many of whose faces he did not recollect to
have seen at former meetings. He was glad, how,
ever, that they were present, as it gave him as as-
surance that the subject would receive the full at-
tention with it merited. In considering the Aar.
ming power which the House of Commons had lately
assumed of imprisoning Englishmen at their plea.
sure, for alledged offences, which if proved were cog-
nizable in the Courts of Law ; in considering the
solute necessity of a speedy and effectual reform is
Parliament, lie ltd the satisfaction to know that them
were no two subjects which bad been more thorough-
ly
sifted by the nation-at 'urge, ,or which had been
more generally considered in all their bearings. It
• was generally understood that the House possessed
no privileges of imprisoning, at their arbitrary plea- j
sure, persons whose offences, if they had committed
any, might be punished by the common means affor-
ded by the common law. It WU necessary tp look I
at the measures which had lately taken plates but it
was not necessary to cast out foul insinuations vespec.
ting the motives of any public men,• Htdid not stand
forward to defend whatever there might be .of intem-
perance in the proceedings of the Common Hall,
and much less did he mean to defend the Gentle-
men who went about soliciting signatures to their
counter-declarations. Bat while he coneeiecd it a
duty to abstain front imputing bad motives to
other men for their public conduct,: he could not
avoid condemning the conduct of many of the gentie-
men who differed from him in political opinions, and
wl-o were always ready to call thosedisloyal men, who
differed from their opinions. They wished to affix the
brand sAf disloyalty to men as much attached to the
principles of the Constitution as they could be ; and
~.who venerated as highly the King, who is at the head
of it, and the other branches of the legislature, while
they confined themsel,es to, their proper functions.—
He believed that many of &Ise who were now bran-
Ided with the name of disloyalty would be at least as
ready-as the boldest of their accuseh, to give up their'
lives in the defence of their constitution and their coun-
try. He, among others, was said to be so identified
and consolidated with the system of Sir Francis Bur-
dett as scarcely to be independent in his opinion. kle
certainly had, as almost every other man had, the
highest respect for the private character of Sir Francis
Burdett I and as to his political conduct, he thout
it, in general, highly meritorious and exempt:try, but
still there were many points in which he could not
agreeyith him: He would not agree with him in calling
the House of Commons the inferior broachof the legis-
lature, and there were many expressions in his letter
which he would not undertake to defend. He must,

Ayes :A—Noes 78—Majority 42.
• POOR CLRICOY.
On the mrition of the CHANCELLOR of. the
EXCHEQUER, the Report of the Committee of
Supply was taken into further consideration. • Upon
the resolution for granting £lOO,OOO far the support
of the Poor Clergy being read,
Mr. WHITBREAD expressed auopinion that the
great muniti,:ence with which the Church was already
idßported, should be devoted to the maintenance of
the poorer Clergy'. and thonghta proposition of this
sort should arise from the heads of the Church them-
selves. He could net agree to the grant of a sum for
the support of the poorer Clergy, unless the superior
class of the Clergy spewed some disposition to aJopt
measures.for the amelioration of the situation of their
brethren.
The CitANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
thqught it was necessary for the interests of the State
that this vote should be passed.—The question was
then put and cairipd.

. OTTERS' • DILI.:
On the m9tion for the third reading:of the Lottery
Bill, Mr. Won Nit 41.13, after remarking the contrast
between the subject, which 'had just • before engaged
the attention of the House, and the .which was now
submitted to them, the one for the incouragement of
virtue, and the other for the propagation of vice, op-
posed the thirJ reading of the Bill, on the ground
that the spirit of gambling it excited and fostered was
a most iruitful source of crimes anti miseries. These
evils he pore i from docinfients had been but little
lessened by rxent acts of Parliament, or by the new
mode of dral ing the Lotttry. He was determ;ned
to take the sense of the House on the subject, and as
long as he should have a seat in the House, would
persevere in his attempts to root out an evil of the
first magnitude.
Mr. BERNARD was averse to the Lottery system.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
thought the objections of the Honourable Gentleman
arose out of circumstances which were no longer con-
nected with the drawing of the Suite Lottery. The
mode of drawing the Lottery now adopted had so far
reduced the number of insurances, that the evil thence
arising might be considered as annihilated. It never
arose from a small sum being risked in the first in-
stance, but from the adventurers being induced to
follow it up' day after day horn contingency to con-
qingency, till going froth one step to another, from
'risking their sixpence et sevenpence in the first in-
:stance they advanced their shillings and their pounds.
Thii they could now do no longer. The mischief at
present done to the lower orders by Lotteries, arose

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for 7 . c arige upon la*
grounds, and for ea ding the piiblic.fraaa
ry; upon an insporrast discussion, this
,as given a most lucrative sinecure: Ile
he people out was himself tprnedsmt
•hen he went down to his former constituenac.
appeared to Ministers that cotatezres.ter re-
Ls due to him, and he got one pl the mac
nt situations, in the conntry, that of Fiat
the Admiralty. It did appear to Lim that
all a contrivance on tke p irt of the Ministers

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n a most lucrative sinecure: Ile
de out was himself tornedsmt
went down to his former coostituems.
ed to Ministers that cornea-eater re.
o him, and he got one ol the nem;
:aims: in the cannery, that of Fiat
dmiraity. It did appear toisim that,
oatrivanse on the p ire of the Ministers
tt en tiou from the ealamitoste
acre of the blood, the trearre,afad the
e country, in the illplainte4 eweft.
of- Weicherea. knew. 44t the I
Privilege of Parliament had ben ai-
-1 by persons of the first learningand
ie therefore felt it tinnr.ceisare for him
It at any length. The subject of Par.
()MI WAS also one with which every
be supposed to be acquainted. He
serve upon this subject, that the three
is would be alisolutely Recessed'r to be
my plan that could give general sadsr
rst point would be to extend the dec. ▪ LIMO/ 4VIIO ate now excluded from its
undoubtedly, upon every principle of
to a voice in the choice of representer
eond point would be to strike off the
s ; and the third, to bring backParlia.
stitutional duration. After expatia:::3
It on the advantages which would r
irliamcnrary Reiln, he moved,
We Petition be presented to the Hoeourable*,
acknowledging their ri;Tte to all diesels*
tended for them and lanieutlng what= '
regard to Gale ;ones and Sir Francis
I shortly undergo 1 legal decision ;
Lave entlarced the Standing Order *sel=
ilculated to distrut the public attrition ; ootis.
rn to Mr. Yorke --agrbeing with a Resolution 4
is, that 'times of necessity were times of Roo
tdingstbat ail things alarmed the waft of sae&
in of the people in the House of Comatose, osil
a Reform could correct the abuses complained
tat if there were a ReforM that the taxes world
a there would be no foreign mercenary troop
nil that the people would not have to ddb
cy of the present Ministers if there were a Re.
at the House would take these matters into their
idtration."
seconded the motion, and thought it
y necessary that that Court and the
ld make a stand against this new as.
surer, which, if not opposed, would is
irecedent for similar acts. He most
Jed in the motion which had been made.
.E said, that about forty years ago, that
nimously declared certain proctedingi
lose of Commons to be illegal. When
Commons instituted a search for pre-
Daly found those precedents which were
riemselves. Now he could state a case
is personally concerned, and which was
other way. He had Mitnerly been
attend the House of Commons, and did
.10 it, but went into the country. The
Idressed his Majesty; and a proclama-
-50 for his discovery, was issued. The
omons, however, never thought of stn.
down of' their own authority to break'
in the country. Lord Roeslyn Indian
is his opinion, that it was the House of
to had got themselves into a scrape in
As to his opinion about Administration,
like that which had been hurnourously
extraordinary character that he had read.
ever world he might hereafter be thrown
it be worse thin the present. He also
whatever Administration might succeed
t was impossible to change lor the wise.
C. SMITH was at a loss to perceive what
ntrivance there could be on the part of
Hie ahnught that it might make a consi-
o in distant places, 300 miles from tows,
it the House of Commons was..impr4
shmen (a laugh). The Gentlemen wag,
e opposed this privilege, said nothing
clve months ago, when -General Cie'
tale Sandon, and other people war. sent
e thought that every man io the minter
11;;d a serious cause of alarm, if the Cm.
a. supported their privileges ou the r.cent
thought those who were so anxious to
ileges ef Parliament defined should point
the proper mode of defining them. Did
vish the task should devolve on the Crowa,
-Jaw of Lords ? Bsgli to him were preg-
inger. Some Gentlemetewere of opinion,
istenso of those privileges was inconsis.
Ie law of the laud ; he should contend,
sported in his assertion by the opinion'
Blackstone, that the privileges of Perlin.
in the law of Parliament, which was
law of the land. Lord Coke said, the
lament was above the Common Law,
e defined any where-but in thtir owe
also said Mr. Justice Blackstone. Magna
also been quoted in opposition to the pri-
irliament. The 16th Section of Magna
that no freeman should be imprisoned or
css by the judgment of his Peers or theta*
Now if the law of Parliament was, is Coital
me said, part'of the la* of the lend, then
meet of Burdetf ancl Jones was not coo.
The worthy Gentleman then reverted
t of Parliamentary Reform, and read an
a letter *Lord Chatham to City of
the sub t, _id which Lord Chatham. •
plan of Parliamentary Refont, that OP
Id be added to every Shire, by nay of
nst the mercenary Boroughs, .but not a