Star.
London, England, 1804-04-13 00:00:00

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iodnery.—Late in the Seßion, a Bill was braved in 1
by the recommendation of that Committee, to which. I
the. manufaCturers were extremely hoßile,and defined
to be heard by Counfel againft it. On account of
the las mcfs of the Seflion, and the urgency of great
State- quellions, it was determined to (Opens any
further proceeding till after the reeefs. Since Chria-
mas the Committee was appointed, of which he was
the organ, to whofe confideration all the former pro-
ceedings were referred. 'this Committee was at once
aware of the almoll infurrnottritable difficulties that
prefented therofelees. The Petitions being fo diaMe-
trically oppolite, they raw no poffibility of giving fa-
tisfaetion to both, and but little of entirely tatisiying
either. Had it been entirely a new mießion. they
probably would have pouted before they recommend•
ed any Legiflative interference in matters of detail
between the employers and employed. But as filch
interference had already been fandiored, as the par.
tics interefted had been encouraged for many months
to cape!, on the one hand, redrefs to grievance, and
on the other, relief from injurious reftridions, the
Committee determined on the middle courfe. which'
they had Readily porfued, without looking to the
right or to the left. They were fully aware of the
extreme delicacy and caution with which it became
them to meddle with the details of a manufadure, to
which the country owed fo much of its profperity.—
Their great obje& was to endeavour to provide an
impartial and competent tribunal, at a fmall and
limited expence to the workmen, and carefully to
avoiduny regulations that might fairly be confidered
as Buckles or refiridions or the makers in the ma-
nagement of his concern. They thought, that in
many cafes, by giving to Petitioners all that they re-
uired, that might be given, which they tbetnrelves,
who were not always the belt judges of their own in-
tereils, might afterwards repent of having applied for.
No men could hive lets intereft on this occafion, than
he and thole other Gentlemen to whom this impor-
tent matter had been referred. It was their duty,.
and they had endeavoured to ad up to it, to do jultices '
as far as Poffible, to both parties. Their interells
were mutually involved, and could not be feparated.
He could not help indulging the !linguine hope, that
Ihould the Houfe pats a Bill, founded on the outline
of the Refoliitions now under their confideration, that
it would poetically anfwer the willies, and di(pel the
anxieties both of the mallet and of the workmen-;
that harmony would be rellored, where harmony was
fo defirable, and indeed neceffary ; and that neither
party would reel themfelves obliged or difpofed again
to petition the Legiflature on the fubjed. This, in.
deed, would be a happy refislt of, and the belt reward
to' the labours of the Committee.
After a few words from Admiral Berkeley, the
Refolutions were read and agreed to.
Mr. FRANCIS fuppofed it would be perfcdly
competent to the parties to swore the Bill, which
was to be founded on the Refolutions, at any future
occafion, by Ceunfrl, should they think proper.
Sir. R. BUXTON witted to have it underflood,
that by agreeing to the R:fslittMiss, he did not de-.
price himfelf of the power oloppoilsig the Bill in any
fubfequent Rage.
A Bill was accordingly ordered to be In-might in,
put fuant to the sefolutions, and a Committee ap-
pointed to prepare the fame.

lei& Exchequer, thereby preventing the profit which Mould anfe
to the public account ,a• ha. been the care in aU other inflames :"
That fuch payments are unwarrantable;" and " That they
ought to be difeontln ved."
Lord CASTLEREAGH rote, and raid that the
quettion introduced by the Noble Lord, although
conflated by his Lot Whip with a number of general
topics, might be bronght into a very narrow compats;
titti, whether money in the hands of the frith agent
in London, to be remitted to the frith Treafury, was
Cubic& to the order of the Lords Commiffioners of
that Treafdry ; and, fecondly, whether it was right,
tinder the circuit:fiances, to apply it in the manner of
which the Noble Lord complained Of the affirma-
tive, on the firk part of the queftion, he bad not a
shadow of doubt that it was at their difcretioo, rub.
jell to legal refponfibilky, to order the appropriation
of money in tratkiirn to Ireland. As to the feeond
part of the,quetlion, he *meld, if this could be con•
tittered an inereafe of Wary, admit tha. the predict-
was inadraiffible, and thit we fhould adhere (trielly
to the pay fired by the civil officers in Ireland—but
the fail was, that this was a new cafe of equity which
had arifen in eonfequence of the Union. The Noble
Lard might fay, that applicatiOn &told be made to
Parliament to provide for this new cafe ; that pro-
ceeding he had no oblation to difcu(s, although he
felt that it would be a very operofe proceeding upon
a cafe of comparatively (mall neeeffity—upon one
which, for its applitation, would depend always upon
two accidents—flea, the time it might be necelfary
for the frith Civil Officers to refide to this country ;
and fecondly, the rate of exchange. Notwitbflani-
ing what had been urged, he contended that this in-
dulgence to the Civil Officers wait not an iacerate of
feisty, but relief from a tax to which they became
fubje(, in coraquelice of their being obliged to come
to this country by the order of their faperiors ; and
he would put it to the feelings and juaice of the
Houle whether they would call upon fuels officers to
execute their duty in this country with a diminution
of their falaries The principle upon which this
pradiee retied, was the fame as that from which
Parliament tufted, when they thought proper to re-
peal that aet of the lei% Legidature, by which ofa-
r-eraon the faith Fliebliflsnaeat, &cadent in this coun-
try, were fti!xjed to the payment of an abfentee tax;
but yet this pt inciple was not by any means fo arong
in favonr of thofe officers, as in the cafe of chafe now
before the Houfe, as the former refided in England
from choice, and the latter from neceffity. With
refped to the latter, therefore, he thought the eon-
duet of the Lords of the Irifh Treafury was fupported
on fair and honourable grounds, and had no occallon
whatever to be kept ferret; nor was haver attempt-
ed to do to r indeed it could not; for, from its
nature, it mutt be matter of notoriety. The dit-
e.rion exercifed by thole Cemmiffioners was, he
maintained.'precifely analogous to that which the
Lords of the Treafury in this country uniformly
purfued towards officers of our a• my tiationed in any
foreign fettlements ; for, whatver might he the ope-
ration of the exchange with any of our Well India
Mends, &e. againft this country, it was knenca to
be the invn-;able practice to pay the officers of our
army on fuck nations their full pay in the currency
of the fettlement, although, according to the reafon-
ing of the Noble Lord upon this occalion, a deduc-
tion (heuld be made for the exchange, from the pay
of Inch officers. As to the allot-ion made tv the cafe
of Irith half pay officers refident in this country, he
begged to oblerve, that theirecafe was not at all anti-
tar to that before the Houfe, as it was matter of
option with them to reticle in this country, and there-
fore they had not the fame claim as thole who would,
he had no doubt, be found to attend here in conic-
quence of orders enameled with the indi:penfible
safpateh of public bufinefs. Nene others, he was
perfuaded, had ever experienced the remuneration
objected to by the Noble Lord. He could not pre-
tend to fay what was the nature of the public bufinefo
which called to this country the late Lord Chancellor
of Ireland, who had been alluded to in the eourfe of
the debate, but he entertained no doubt that it was
fuch as to jullify the claim of that Noble Perfosage
to the allowance referred to in the refolutiocs tub.
mined by the Noble Lord, with whom he ftelly
agreed in that past of his fpeech which applied to the
time for which both civil officers thould be entitled
to the payment of their falaries at par, namely, that
loch payment should be exadly apportioned to the
rime they fluty actually refide in this cot.orry. This,
however, was a point !night be regnlved with-
out adopting any cf the refoltoions ;stapled by the
Noble Lord, for which he law no ncceffity, and par-
ticularly as it teemed to be th.: purpore cf the N. ble
Lord to follow up their adts:lll. n by the proptiii,ii.fl
GC a vote of centirrt a, to the condua of the Irith
Treafury, which under aii the eiretiniflances, he could
not c niceive to he at all m:1 He therefo•e
" That the other Orders of the Day thould
be now read."

Lind FJLKESTONE exp:clred hie afionifliment
that, after the flateroent which had been made by
the Noble Lord st propolcd the refolut;ons, that
Mrinbrr of that Home could be found to !land
to 41.,•••••••I cht-• pr:telter to trtitrty
and leant of all did he
exp.!el Inc!: attempt At J•l•4,fica tin n from the Nol):e
1,41 whn :Ltd I:tt do%.n. liov- the Nubl: Lcd
could reci•ncile doft:ine on a former occaliol,
that there ua. no depreciation of the Irith ciirrency,
with his alktiton of th s th.it the pas man
of the I:i;:t c s,I oflkers rcriacnt in this country ar
par, was t.1:.1 from a tar. '.c was at a to c-r
ccice. 'Pic Noble Lord h r.i maintained. that t:'''
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