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. valour which had been thus acknowledged, and .to
comrnemoratetheailistinguished services which bad
ta.an pert-nutted by the Navy, be.was confident. the
Home would think the present a fit opportunity-for
carrying such a purpose into effect. In Submitting.
to thetn such a proposition in honour of those,two
great branches of the public service, be was sensible,
(and he was anxious to state this) that there were
oilier branches whose exertions had. tither been pub-
I :ly acknowledged, which if looked hit", would be.
found greater than 'the public hid a right to expect
Coin any body of met ; yet at the sane time he felt.
that some new m.uk of admiration, voted by *Parlia.
ment to peril, watt. the triumphs of the Navy,.would
• be equally grafearl to the Sovereign Who employed
real to the c.ointry who upheld them. It *as a proud
reflection. that at the end of a twenty years' war,
de 'ugh disappriintoret had occasionally been expe-
.viaoaed in our warlike operations, from a variety of
ereumsetnees which it mei beyond the ppwerof man
to controui, yet, so uuezartipled had been our success
ihtt ioaicsone great shock of arms had this coil:aryl
Sustained a complete and signal defeat. aWhile we'
have this gratifying thought to console us, *for which
eve were more indebted to PROVIDINCg and the justice
of. our caw4e, than to our own superiority over those
with Whom we contended, he , had'the satisfaction to
see our . history adorned with a series of the most
traireendant eictories.both by land and sca,transcen-'
dint not only in themselves, but' transcoilant in their
influence on the destinies of mankind. If any thing
more could be said to exalt their respective mehits; it
arose out of the reflection, that all through the war
rot the slightest symptom of .jeal-cnisy.had been ma-
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aifested between thesttwiereat rivals in-arms. He
• thought also, it might to be stated as a feature of
pre-eminent glory to' the country, that the Goeern.
matt hatFbeen enabled to confide to those who, from
their habit; and Connections, -were known to be ad-
verse to them in politics, the fleets end armies of the
State, yet through the whole war the stream of glo-
rious patriotic exertion had uniformly flowed, regard-
less of all party differences, for the honour of the
country. The House • would therefore feel most
onxicoss to mark their high .sense of the-great services
of those whose merits were only limited by the num-
ber of operations in which they had been engaged,
and in endeavour.ng to convey this feeling to poste-
rity, they would be most careful to avoid-any thing
that setaned to cast but a shade of difference in fa.
your of one service over the other. The Navy bad
ihtme early in 'the war, • bee:tine then • it had a sob-
. &caudal enemy to con —at ; the Army had latterly
anon distingaaaaal itself; because the Navy, having
swept the enemy trom the sca, had left the Army to.
do on land what had' already been done on the ocean.
'liter. were three ways its. wh;ch • the services of the
Nsvy might be commemorated : by cluing honour to
• th: who had beets most conspicuous.ip i,s
triumphs—by collecting some of the great rehnls
with which they had enriched our history-hair by se-
leetlute some one great feature in each service to re-
present the occaition in which the power of each wits
must sutceirstidly developed. To the -Grit, sotue ob-
jection miaht be urged, tni the present occasion, as
he did nut coeceire that ti the coma: etith would
be most interesting to the pr 4casion. Of the three
moues, the intereadiate me was that which the
H.,the would rno,h decisively (itiject to, frem the dif-
be ar:y of the tails Mik) it: would Impose upon the
standiha ileitis situation, cl seiething the
brightest achieyetnehts, to the exclusion of others,
which he druid wish to record, as he was sure Ole ;
House feel how difficult it must be for such a
person to al s, lit re the. scale sheuld end, and which
should be the tr,urrtplt thus commemorated. It
et.ouid Le roost phieful ftr hies to determine when
enough were tak.n, and coasiga the rest to that mass
of splendour Our this characteristic to many of those
actions which could not be thus distinguished), in
which they at present reposed. He thought, then, it
might be best to nuke the vote so, that the great
victory of Trafalgar might be particularly brought
forward, as that had furnished the consummation of
- our triumph by sea; as the victory of Waterloo had
done by land. He wished the victory of Trafalgar
to be thus particularly noticed, because he was anxi-
ous that the two services should go down with equal
honours to posterity ; and because, as the battle of
Waterloo had annihilated the power of our enemy on
land; so viat of Trafalgar had ci Lobed Ills hopes at
sea, arid dispelled and terminated the boastful me.
naecs vfhich Aionapis oa had hcen accustomed to launch
wein-st us. The tree victory teal frustrated the hopes
ich, fromdtis rehissumptioe of power, he had en-
: testasued of again disturbing the repose of Europe,
and the other bad
.secured us from the assault
which he had planned asgaiest this country.—
The one victory hhd
.given us shfety, as the .other
bad removed all danger horn our Allies. He there.
• (Ore wished, in the vote of this day, that that wan-
., Sceridanc action, whirl Might lie:shid to have ternsi-
Dated the ever by sea, 61304 be comosemcrated as
that had been which .recetely cloud bearailias 90
land. --He had already said, that in the latter p.:rt
of the war the traits of naval glory ware lass bril-
liant than they were (unholy. This, however, only .
arose from the circumstance of the enemy having
ceased, flora the successful exertions of that navy, to
present himself in that tangible shape in which he Was
accustomed to appear before. 'But it would be a
treat act efinjustice to suppose, that the merit of the
exertions of the navy finished with the glory of its
exploits, or that the services of the navy became less
important than they had been. -The importance of
the navy must be acknowledged, when it was coati-
dared bow greatly its operations had conduced to the
triumphs of our army. The navy had not merely
contributed to these, by that most difficult and most
painful of all services, he meant that luf blockading
all the ports of the enemy, but the navy had in truth
been the instrument which had midget our ariniesto
make those efforts which had so conspicuously deve,
loped that singularity of power which England could
alone beast, and which, if it did not enable us to be
at different points at the Same time, it put it .in our
potter to act in different parts of the world so nearly
at the same time, as to•make the events which took
place most wide of each other coineideoh It had
esabled us in the law svar to follow up our operations
in -differ est quarters of the globe-with a rapidity and
.success unparalleled in history. It had 'fallen to his
lot to meet with a regiment before Paris, which had
served at Thoulousein April. 1814, which acted iu
America its that same campaign, and kid; was ;

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igaia In Trance in the following July.—(Neerdkoar .)
Ile should be glad to know sirhere instances could be
found of such stupendous exertions having been made
in different Of the world .by any other power.
These, but or our navy, it would have been impos-
sible for us to have accomplished ; it was this, which
b:inging with astonishing rapidity. our forces from
various places to new fields of action, had enabled us
to bear on successive points with the happiest effect.
'These circumstances, considered, he was sure the
.House would feel all the importance of the Navy, and
.be happy to offer a new tribute of approbation to its
distinguished merits. It was true they had already
marked their feelings, on both the transcendent oc-
casions referred to,- and the votes of approbation re.
cgscled on their journals, were among the best reward!'
which' men could receive who belonged to a tree
country; 'but if another made could be found for
:commentereating a triumph'so splendid, he thought
ought to 'lre added to the honours which they bad al-
ready conlerrtd on those who had deserved so greatly-
ortheir country. He thought it would be congenial
to the.feelings of the House to perpetuate the battle:
of Trafalgar by the same indelible monument of gra-,
titude winch they had already appropriated to the
triumph °Waterloo, and in such.a way as should most.
effectually guard against iti appearing to posterity
that the merits of the Army and Navy were placed
on a different footing, or that any wish existed to
give one an alvantage io public estimation over the.
other. He therefore moved, '44 That this Rouse,
being desirous of commemorating the splendid
achievements of the British Navy in the late war, by
erecting * National Monument, to commemorate the
most- signal and decisive victory of Trafalgar, do pre-
sent antumble and loyal Address to his Royal High-
ness the Prince Regent, praying that his Royal High.
ness would be graciously pleased to give directions
for the erection of a National Monement, in honour
of the victory of Trafalgar, by which the maritime
power of the enemy was humbled mid subdued ; and
in honour of. Admiral Lord Nelson, the Officers, Sear
men, and Marines, by whom that triumph was
achieved, and assuring him that this House will
Make good the same."
Mr. W. DUNDAS rose with much reluctance to
object to what had fallen from his Nable.Friend. He
was most anxious to support every proposition that
went to commemorate the triumphs of tbe navy, hut
be did not see how they could erect a public mord.
ment for which the ,nztme of Lord Nelson should
appear, while those of the Officers were omitted who
had distinguished themselves in the early part of the
war. Whitt would posterity say when they read the
inscription tit this pillar to the memory of Lord Nel-
son ( well merited on his p.rt), and found no men-
tion nude of die.great services which Admiral Dune
can, Admir:d St. Vincent, and other Admirals had
perturtnt•d 4>y seat ? He did not me that there would
Lenny difficulty in making suck an arrangement as
would admit of other names being inscribed on the
pi:i ns %tell as that of Loud Nelson. Though the
Hunse had iilready come to a vote respecting the mo.
name::: to be eft c%il to cummetnorote the Battle of
Vs'ateiloc, he WAS sz:11 of opinion (hit they might
yet wi:lt proptiety introduce the name of all those
sea ()dicers who had moat distinguished the selves
in the late war, on the monument which w! have
now proposed to erect. The vote already come to,
did not to him appear to suggest any reason why this
should not be done.

Sir M: W. RIDLEY, though it might be pro.
sumptuous in Mtn to suggest any improvemen. to the '
motion which had been made, would take the liberty!
to suggest, that if the exploits of the Army and
Navy were commemorated on the some Monument,
it might be more gratifying to the Members of those
professions, and to tae public at itrge. At the end
of the kit Session. .t. 1110rUITICIlt had been vote.., to,
commemorate the victory of Waterloo, but it did not I
appear to him that it was yet too late for that vote
to be amended. To combine the two, would be less
expensive, and would be More grateful to the gene-
ral feeling, and a nobler object would be presented
to public admiration. This he thought would be the
most suitable way of commemorating those services
rwhich were universally acknowledged to have been
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I performed by the Army and Wavy, and with these
the merits of other branches of the public service
I miet be honoured, who having contributed to the
• national triumph, were intitled to national gratitude.
Lord CASTLEREAGH would not consent, and
be was sum the House would not consent, to take
'one iota from the feeling with which the Monument
to commemorate the Battle of Waterloo had been
voted. by blending that with any other object. He
certainly felt that there could not be found more
splendid achievements in bur history than those of
Lord Howe, Lord Duncan, and Lord St. Vincent ;
but if these were mentioned on the proposed Mona.'
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anent, the Officers and men engaged in the
patties
of Salamanca, Vittoria, and the Pyrenees, would,
have a right us complain that those actions were not
inscribed on that designed .to commemorate the
triumph of the Army at Waterloo. He should
thild; it sacrilege to touch that Tote. He Was-con.
Vincad the suggestion of the Honourable Gentleman
had been given from the best of motives, but anxious
AS he was that the two services should appear to pow.
terity to have been placed exactly on the same fOot-
ing, as their merits were equal, and as a Monument
had already been voted in honour of. the Battle of
-Waterloo, he wished that for which he now moved
should bear the Dante of Trafalgar, alone.
Mr. HORNER, though he had at first felt that
which had fallen from the Right Hononrable Gen-
tleman (Mr. W. Dundat) had much fore!, and came
with peculiar propriety from a Gentleman standing''
in his situation, he, upon the whole, thought the pro-
position of the Noble Lord the best.. He thought
the Noble Lord had surmounted the difficulty in the'
most satisfactory manner. Selection was necessary, 1
and it all those who had deserved well of their coun-
try in the last war were to be named on the Naval
Monument, it was difficult for the Right Honourable
Gentleman himself to say, how far, itleft to himself,
the scale should extend. Many victories had been
achieved which were not of such importance as to be
generally known, in/ which ' the greatest valour had
been displayed. Even the service of cutting gun-
boats out of harbours had on many occasions called
forth as much courage and magnanimity as those
greater triumphs which were in every one's mouth.
It was a mistake to consider that the victory of Tra-
falgar was to be commemorated to the exclusion of
alt the other payal triumphs which bad ;retyped thei

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es of qst seamen hating !be war. The bode ft
...,algae, though the name of Nam ultnrever,
Connected with it, he considered to be 116.PraPertY
dditctheipliwnehowlehinachvbya.
lead been
introduced
the smite way he considered the' whole army to parti-
cipate in the bon Airs rendered to the triumph of
hudceddiatintolt; &gni!
Wa-
terloo. Though at first he had thought the gig t
.Honourable Gentleman right in what had fallen from
him, upon the whole he trusted the House would
feel the propriety, nay, if he might be allowed the
expressionf the urgency of their adopting the propo-
sition of the Noble Lord, and he hoped nothing would
be done to detract from the importance which it would
receive Prow their unanimous vote.
Mr. TIE KNEY did not wish to' prevent that
unanimity which was desirable on this occasion, by
any ill.timed opposition. The difficulty now in their
way seemed to arise from the Navy having bean
over.looked all
.through the last Session of Nail'.
ment. Ha. wished not to detract from the metittor
the Battle of Waterloo, but when the Monument in
honour of it was voted, they might have comsnem:.
rated the services of both the Army and the Navy at
the same time; and the vote would, he believed, have,
been more welcome to the Army, if this had been,
done. Now it was felt, the Navy bed been over.
looket, when, looking for an action to place by tile
.side of. the Victory of Waterloo, it was necesary to
go ten years back. He wished the last vote to stand,
and the present motion to be agreed to, but he would
then recommend, that the Committee should be ap-
pointed to consider of consolidating the two services,
and of blending the two votes, so that the public eye
iight.he struck by one ;Rand Monument in eonw-
morAtion of both. If the Battles of Waterloo and
Trafalgar were alone inscribed, it might cause much
discontent, and cause many unpleasant observations
to be made. Mach discontent had been excited
among the Officers of the Navy.by the arrangement
lately made. with respect to the Order of the Bath;
and, in some instances, to soothe the wounded feel-
ings of an individual, he believed it had been touad
necessary to make a Baronet of an Officer, who, by
the new regulations introduced among the K,ilgith
of the Bath, could not claim the rank of a Com-
mander in that Order. He thought it might be
made a question, if national utility could n-o Del
blended- with national muniticence, and national mu-
nificence with national devotion. It was undztstood
more trundles were wanting', could nut one.he erect-
ed to commemorate the triumphs of our Army and
N.:vy, which should bear our gratitude to Heaven
tor the bl. ssings we derived front their valour, and
which should be to •poste:ity a monument of our
feelings ?
Mr. BATHURST was of opinion ;he step recom-
mended by the Right Hon. Gentleman could Got be
taken without undermining the vote already come to,
in honour of the battle of Waterloo; That vote,
agreed to on the spur of the occasion, in coissidera-
tion of the magnitude of the service then rendered to
the nation, he would not consent in any way to im-
pair. He objected to the two services being com-
memorated in one monument, and was anxious to
guard against a partiality being manifested for one
service to the prejudice of the other. Upon the
whole, as the present vote ought to be unanimouk,
and as difficulties must in any case occur, he thought
the safest way would be to adopt the motion of the
Noble Lord.

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Mr. TIERNEY did not oppose the Motion. He
wished the triumphs of each to be commemorated,
but thought the two services might be advantageously
consolidated.

Lord CASTLEREAGH thought it desirable not
to mix the former vote with the present.
. Mr. BANKES was of opinion, that to apply the
same rule in both cases was liable to great exceptions.
The vote of the 29th of June, for the battle ot Wa-
terloo, was come to on the moment ; that is, eleven
days after the victory. What the House was desired
to vote now, appeared is his mind as a reflection on the
mania fame. It reminded him ot the Roman Com-
mander, of whom it was said-4, You have no enemy
to triumph over : no one to contend with."—The
Hun. Gentleman thought that it was not to Trafalgar
..Igne-the HOuse ought to look, but to the conclusion
of a war ot such lung duration, grounded on the'
French Revolution. In commemorating the Army
and Navy for their services, the House ought nen.
rally to go step by step through the victories achieved
in that long period; The selection of any one, how.
ever important in its consequences, was not the best
mode. He was desirous,• therefore, of making the
vote Man general, if -it met the approbation of the
House. He deprecated the idea of drawing a parallel
betwetn • the two services. The Right Honourable
Gentleman had talked of the erection of a Church;
that was a mode exceedingly good, but the expense
might exceed the sum set apart by Government for 1
the commemoration. Whafeter was done, should be
done with dignity, the spot tie well chosen, and the
Column or Pillar decorated in the highest. degree.
For his part, he was inclined to imitate antiquity,
and was for erecting a Colt mm or Obelisk which
might be seen 'at a great distance.
Lord BINNING expressed his satisfaction that the
House were agreed on the subject, only that some
Gentlemen wished to go further than others. The
object in putting the two services on the same foot.
ing, was entitled to praise, and his Noble Friend had
properly chosen the Battle of Trafalgar as the only
battle analagous to that of Waterloo.
Mr. FORBES gave his warmest support to the
measure, and suggested the necessity of increasing
the allowance to the widows and orphans of thaw
killed in the one service) sb as to place it on an eq0..1
footing with the other. The Hoomii able Genders:an
was proceeding. to slew the distinction bet-teen tht•
two, in point of provision for the relatives of the
slain, aitd was entering into details, when
Sir G. WARRENDER (one of the Lords of the
Admiralty), rose to order. He was prepared to
satisfy the Honourable Gentleman and the House
on the tubject, when it was properly before them ;'
but he appealed to the Chair, whether the Honour
able Gentleman was correct in discussing the question
this evening ?
Mr. FORBES proceeded, and contended that
these matters ought to be considered and investigated;
and was again adverting to the subject, but
The SP.F,AKEIt reminded the Honourable Gen-
tleman that the present was not a convenient oppor-
tunity tnr altering into details.
Mr. C, LONQ expressed a sinsilar wish. In row