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PRINCE

On the resumption of the House, which was about
five o'clock, a considerable number of Peers was in
attendance. As soon as the LORD CHANCELLOR had
taken_ his seat on the Woolsack,
Earl CAMDEN rose, and, proceeded to inform
the House that their Lordships' Commissioners had,
waited upon his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales,
on the part of that Houses when the Resolutions and
accompanying request of both Houses of Parliament
were duly communicated to his Royal Highness ;.
when his Royal Highness.was pleased to return- a
most gracious answer :
The Answer being read.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved, that the said
lesolution, together with his Royal Highness's An-
swer, be printed.—Ordered.
The Earl of HAkCOURT then made a similar
report with respect to the Commissioners waiiing on
her Majesty the Queen, ordered by the House, and
communicated her Majesty's most gracious Answer.
Th.: Resolution of Parliament as applying to her
Majesty, and the answer, was also, on the motion of
the Noble Secretary of State, ordered to tit printed.
DANING OF PARLIAMENT BY COMMISSION.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL then moved the order
of the day i when, that for summoning their Lord-
•hips being read, he moved, that the House do re-
itselt into a Committee on the state of the nation.
This being ordered, Lord Walsingham accordingly
took the Chair.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose, and briefly ob-

served, they were now arrived at that stage of the
proceedings when, agreeably to the course adopted
on the former occasion, as he had given notice yes-
terday, it became necessary for that House to adopt
4 Resolution with respect to the opening of Parlia-
ment by Commission, with reference to the necessary
ulterior proceeding. The' Resolution which he should
move was similar to that adopted on the former oc-
casion, which was, that it was necessary and cape-
dient.that Letters Pattnt be issued under the Great
Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Ireland, of the tenor and form as expressed in the
Resolution alluded to, for the purpose of formally
opening the Parliament of the United Kingdom—
This Resolution, which in substance was precisely

similar to that adcpted in 1789, being, on the occa•
sion of its original introduction, so thoroughly dis-
' cussed, that he. did not in the present instance see the
necessity of troubling their Lordships with any obser-
vations on the fitness and necessity for its adoption.
Should any thing, however, be suggested in the Com-
mittee that may require explanation, he was ready to.
. afFordit. In substance, he repeated the main Reso-
lution ; and the corresponding ones, required by the
necessary forms on such an occasion, were precisely
similar to those voted by the House on the 51st of
January, 1789.. Whatever variation there may be
from the form of the subordinate arrangement in
1789, it occurred principally from the difference ari-
sing from the desire expressed by certain Royal Per-
sonages, with respect tee the insertion of their names
in the Commission. Should any explanation be re-
quired by-any Noble Lord with respect to a detail of
the proceedings, he was most willing to afford it.—
The Noble Secretary of State then formally moved
the first Resolution, the substance and effect of which
he stated in his introductory observations.
On the question being put,
' Earl GREY said, toat after the very full discus-
sions which had already taken place upon the sub-
ject, of which the Resolution now before the Com.
gnaw, fozened a part, he certainly felt - it syper-
fluous to detain their Lordships wite any detailed
ebservations. His feelings, however, on the occa-
sion were so strong, that he could not avoid taking
this first opportunity in his power to express in go.
si eral and decided terms, his strong objection to the
• whole line of proceeding adopted by Ministers on
this most momentous question. Unwilling as he
was to add in the smallest degree to these most nn-1
necessary and dangerous delays which had already
taken place, he should not remain silent when a pro-
position was brought forward calling upon that j
- Nouse, on its part, to assume one of the most im•:
pertant powers of the Crown, namely, the affixing
the Great Seal to an Act of Parliament. He
shad
anxiously wished for an opportunity of expressing '
his most firm concurrence in the opposition afforded; '
and the sentiments by Noble ,Lords on his side of,
the House, to the whole tissue of proceeding urged
and adopted by Ministers. A course of proceed.
ins, he contended, according to all the genuine
principles and analogies of the Constitution, as
well as the practice of their ancestors, as could he
collected from authentic precedents, was hostil: to
the very fundamental principles of that Constitution,
and tending to establish a precedent of the most dan-
gerous tendency. The consequence and character of
the line of conduct they had adopted was, char under
the form of law, they had violated all the principles
of the Constitution ; and, under a pretence of a scru•
Diu lour regard for the rights of the Monarchy and the
mita Prerogetives, had sapped the very foundation
of that Sovereignty. These great conclusions, he
contended, had been establishedas resulting from the
conduct of Minister's, by those with whom he had
the power to act, with a wisdom, with an eloquence,
with a display of learning and knowledge of the can-.
• 'ptittition of their country unrivalled in the annals of
• -Parliamentary discussion. - With this general decla-
retion he would, under the circumstances, content
imsell ; but he could ,Itot let the immediate clues-
on before the Committee pass without observing,
nit if it were determined to assume those powers
oxPressed in the Resolution, and to pass an Act as
%bnut to be proposed, for remedying the personal de-
lea in title exercise of the Itoyarauthcirity—lie must

contend it woula be far less objectionable, even ac-
cording to the principles insisted on by Ministers, if
they thought themselves authorized to cause the
Great Seal to be affixed to an instrument for the
opening of Parliament, and passing a Bill. It would
be far less objectionable, he repeated, to come to Re-
solutiOnt for appointing his Royal Highness the
Prince of Wales Commissioner for opening the Par-
liament, for the specific purpose of enacting a.Bill to
.supply the existing defect in the constitution of the
country. Then would the third branch of the Legis-
lature be regularly formed, and they could debate the
important questions at issue in a full Parliament; the
subject could, in such a case, be discussed not only
under the requisite forms, but according to the sub-
stantial reality. But as it was, he could not avoid
repeating his firm conviction that the line of proceed-
ing chalkedout by Ministers on this mostarduousocca-
sion, was fatally dangerous to the Constitution, clash-
ing with its best principles and analogies, and finally
tending to establish a precedent under the authdrity
of which, in future times, a series of attempts may Ise
made so as eventually to undermine all that was good
or valuable in the Constitution.

Lord WALSINGHAM then put the qoesticri,
when Earl STANHOPE said, " Not content," in conse-
quence of which a division took place, when there ap.
peared—For the Resolution 53—Against it 3—Ma-
jority in favour of the line of proceeding reeommended
by Ministers 20.
The doors continued shut for some time, and the
adjournment took place before strangers were admitted
-but we understand the subordinate Resolution (that
referring to points of form) was passed without any
, division. Their Lordships adjourned till Monday.
The necessary proceedings are expected to be in
that state of forwardness, that Parliament will be re.
gularly opened by Commission (as in the caseof 1769)
oa Tuesday next. The Commissioners will consist of
those great Officers of State and high Dignitaries of
the Church, who, after the withdrawing of the Princes'
mimes,, on the occasion alluded to, were constituted
the Lords' Commissioners.

PPIIIIITPARLIAM.EIVTART
TAOCEIDINGS.
HOUSE OF LORDS, JANUARY it.
The Duke of NORFOLK presented a Pet
from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Com!
Council of the City of London, praying that t
Lordships would, in the present state of public aff
proceed in the most regular and expeditious man
to remedy the defect in the Royal Authority, ari
from his Majesty's indisposition, by investing
Royal Highness the Prince of Wales with the a 4
nistration of Government, according to the prece
established at the Revolution of 1688, &c. &c. w
.was ordered to lie on the Table.
COMMUNICATIONS TO HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS TIM PR
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