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London, England, 1819-06-08 00:00:00

had achieved for the tranquillity of Eumpe, and he
thought the Noble Lord ought to give an earnest of
the value of his labours, by shewlng that he was not
afraid (Loud cheers.) The Right Honourable Mem-
ber then adverted to sonic more topics of economical
discussion, and stated, that most of the Colonies, if I
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consolidation of offices would make a great saving to
the Public. There was no necessity for a third Se-
cretary of State. He (Mr. Tierney) had proved it to
the House long ago; but his ideas on that subject
were not met with corresponding good will on the
other side. A third Secretary of State was indeed as
unnecessary as 'a third Archbishop—(A laugh.) The
Secretary for the Home Department had very little
to do : he might take part of the business of the Se-
cretary of the Colonies, and the President of the
Board of Controul the remainder—he might take at
least Ceylon and the Mauritius, which were very
near the limits of his present jurisdiction—(hear .1)—
The Right Hon. Gentleman then asked if there were
no room for retrenchment in the Horse Guards? and
if a Secretary at War was indispensable in time of
peace? lie declared he liked liberal establishments
as much as any man, when they could be afforded ;
but the Administration should now behave like a pri-
vate individual who is really anxious to escape from
embarrassments. Ministers had their holidays, their
festivals, their prancing and their capering, and now
they shonld pay for their amusement.—(Laughter and
cheering.)- No-Administration ought to stand a single
day which would not adopt the principle of reduction
to the utmost farthing.—(Cheers.) Money should
not be taken from the public which was not repaid
in service. He did not wish to confine the amuse-
ments of Ministers ; but in the present state of the
country, it was necessary that through all the de-
partments of State, from the highest to the lowest,
sacrifices must be made to the necessities of the times.
(Hear, hear.) To be sure, the present Ministers were
the wisest, the most consistent, and the greatest
Statesmen that this country ever produced ;—(A
laugh)--but with all deference to their talents and
sagacity, had his (Mr. Tierney's) motion on the State
of the Nation been acceded to, the House should
have been 'then put in the position, on the 20th of
May, which it was now occupying on the 7th of
June, and which was urged by Ministers as too
late for giving the proper consideration of the subject.
But if the present motion were granted, the security
f's,r retrenchment would be gone, for an Administra-
tion that would not retrench for the public—would
not do yo for the fund-holders. It was in the nature
of the present Government to abhor economy ; they
always held out false hopes, but nothing serious was
done ; the situation of the country ought to be fairly
met. It would be better that the Sinking Fund should
be taken altogether to the public service than that it
should be attempted to raise what remained of it to
five millions by the plan proposed. The expenditure
of the last war was very much dwelt upon, bat he
(Mr.Tierneyl was confident that under a really efficient
Administration that war might have been managed
at half the .expense. The Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had come forward to tell us of the awkward cir-
cumstances of the last three years, and to propose an
expedient which was to place us all in a state of pros-
perity ; but, said the Right Honourable Gentleman,
I have no confidence in him whatever, nor without
some stronger arguments than had yet been adduced,
can I agree to the voting any new taxes.—The Right
Honourable Gentleman then concluded amidst loud
cheering, by moving the Previous Question.
Lord CASTLEREAGH considered the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman had put the question on its true
grounds. The question now to be decided laid in a
small compass ; it might be 'comprised under three
heads—first, whether it was necessary the country
should make an exertion to relieve itself from its
present Financial difficulties—secondly, if necessary,
to what extent the exertion should go--and thirdly,
at what time the exertion should be made ? The
Right Hon. Gentleman had not said exertion was un-
necessary, but he had said he had no confidence in
Ministers, and therefore the country ought not to
have any confidence in them, and they ought, there-
fore, to be turned out—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Right
Hon. Gentleman had alluded frequently to his mo-
tion of a former night; he was not surprised that the
Right Hon. Gentleman should feel sore on that sub-
ject ; it was in human nature that he should do so.
The Right Hon. Genetleman, no doubt, felt angry
with that part of the House, who had opposed that
motion—every Gentleman who had voted against
that motion, no doubt, stood very low in the estima-
tion of that Right Hon. Gentleman, if they were not
set down in his black book for ever—(Hear, hear.)
The Ilonourable Gentleman then stated, that if the
House would consent to turn out his Majesty's pre-
sent Ministers, he would have condescended, though
to his own inconvenience and to the interruption of
all his habits of life, to have taken a part in the Mi-
nistry to be formed—(hear, hear). He doubted very
much, if the Right Hon. Gentleman had attained the
situation he with so much modesty apparently de-
clined, he would, with all his exertions, have done
more than the present Administration had done. The
Right Hon. Gentleman, however, was so much
offended at the support given to Administration oil
that occasion, that he never would give them his
countenance. He (Lord Castlereagh) regretted the
Right Hon. Gentleman's hostility ; but he had never
expected either his support or countenance, and
r therefore felt no disappointment at his declaration—
(Hear, hear). The Right Hon. Gentleman again, on
this occasion, accused the Administration of want of
economy, and of having done nothing towards re-
trenchment. He denied the charge. Ministers had
studied to introduce economy Into all the great
branches of expenditure ; but they had refused to
agree to the Right Hon. Gentleman's proposition for
doing away the two Lords of the Admiralty and the
third Secretary, and the Right Hon. Gentleman now
*again re-told the tale he had so frequently repeated,
and which had so frequently been negatived by the
House ; but the Right Honourable Gentleman had
now taken a new ground. He brought forward one
charge in bulk—the Army—the Army was too large
altogether. He must protest against this course, and
against the parliamentary conduct of the Right
honourable Gentleman. If the Right Honourable
Gentleman considered the Army too large, why did
he not oppose the Vote for it ?—( Ifear, hear, hear.)
'Where had the Right Honourable Gentleman been,
and how would he justify this neglect and breach of