Star.
London, England, 1820-10-16 00:00:00

TRIAL OF THE QLXEN.

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HOUSE OF LORDS, OCTOBER 14. .
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DEFENCE—ELEVENTH DAY.
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:Faontinodm; e Mr. Pow et.t. co•ainoed.
Lord KEN YON.—Dhl IListelli bring more than one set of
witnesses to this country 7-1 do not know.
Ulat are the names of the witnesses Rastelli brought Over?
I cannot recollect all their names.
Can you not Olitaiii their name:?—l could on inquiry.
Tell me the greatest distance any witness brought by Rastelli
lived fcom Milan ?—T imam* tell:
But. you supposed that Hasten! might communicate with •
tnem?-n-Yes, I thought hr might.
Ilive you not a controul over the witnessesl.—l do not.kaaw
that I have any controul over them.
Lord LIVERPOOL thought the witness might, without any
difficulty, state when Rastelli at-river:Vat 31ilim, if the fact could
be ascertained by him. •
Lord LAUDERDALE objected, that the witness, being an
agnit in the cause, should not be questioned as to these facts. '
Earl of DA ItNLEY.—Mr. Powell has -Stated that the wit-
nesses are not under his controul and direction, I therefore wish
to know under whose .cuntroul they ate ?,-.1 scarcely know,
They'are under the actual controul of Government. There
are several persons delegated tinder whose directions thCy are.
Are-persons admitted -to see the witnesses by your order ?
I have given admissions to persons teealt the witnesses, and I
have also given directions that stranger's should be excluded,
as I did. not think it'safe that any one should be admitted.
The Eak of DERBY.-4 undlrstand Mr. PoWell to say,
that' Itasteln was not under his controul, I wish to know by
vihat.authocity be sent him nut?—l conceived, if necessary, that
1 hill right to do it.
Did yhu smd him Out on your own responsibility, without
communicating with any other agent in this cause 7--I-do not re-
coilcct. I made no secret of it.
I do ant. want wknow whetber it was a secret or Rot ; I want
to know if you tent him of your own accord ?—Yi s, I did.
Lord KENTON- wished that the witness should be ordered
to furnish a list of the witnesses brought over by Itastelii.
Thf • Earl of WINCH ELSE.l.—Ilad you any power to com-
pel Hasten* to ge to Milan if he had refused:'-1 certainly had !
no power s enforce hie goLig, or to prevent: it if he wished. I r
con‘tdireil hien at liberty to go, and that I could not imp him.
I thooght him yonder no legal restraint.
r•'.4-. flitaussaast.-n•With the pernsisaion of your Lordships, I.
wish to ask the witness who is his employer or agent in this.
cause? • • •
Same objection was made to the question.
. Ulla Baoeonass.--44 My Lords, I consider it essential to the
great principles of justice that this question should be put. It
is, iny Lords, mportant, essentially important, to enable us, her.
Majesty's Coanscla to conduct the cause. This is the first wit-
nesa that has been called who can give us that important infor-
mation which 1 now seek. It is important that we should know
to whores we ar• opposed, that we may snake that evidence
which we otherwise could not do ; for, if we know the power
by which the mach.uery has been put in motion, we can identify
them with their agents, by the acts and declarations of the-party.
When we are acquainted with the unknown, the interesting un-•
known, we may trace its actions and its conduct, and bring from
its own mouth, if it has a mouth, who and what he is. I know
lanthiug of this shapeless being, if shape it can be called. 1 know
nothing of it, whether it has a head or a body, or is a mere shadow
—an airy being—" without a local habitation or a .name"—not
knowing whether this shadow may not vanish into airy nothing,
after he has eluded all sensible perception—l cannot fix him with
any character. If am told who he is, I may then be able to
trace his iineanymts, and at length to bring out the mighty secret
who and wbat he is from his own mouth—if he have one. I
know, my Lords, that the rule of law is close on the subject of
the professional confidence of agents. Ido not deny it. But ,
here there is no party. Prove to me who the party is, and I
wilt not distal b the professional confidence of his agent. • And
who is the party ? I know nothing about this shrouded, this
raysterious be ing—thi; retiring phantom—this uncertain shapi—
" If shape it might be called, that shape had none,
4' Distinguisable in member, joint, or limb—. .
`" Or substance might be c.ill'd"—
.lit.d. such, year Lord,hips will admit,
" --- That shadow seem'd,
" For each seen'd either.
" -- What seem 'd his head,
" The likeness of a KINGLY CILUVIN bad on !"
Tet under this shape, this " airy nothing"—and I know not whe-
-her i: he en,!, or either, or neither, or botln—l am to face the
Averse party ; I am to be met at every turn, and in every part
'f the proceeding, by not being able to put a single question to
~.:!s visionary, personage. lam to pursue this shape—
The LORD CHANCELLOR interrupted the Learned
' Counsel and said, that questions-of the nature alluded to could
not be put to the witness, unless he appeared as a witiap• ih
t. ,
?his L.II.
c. Dahi/au wished to ask another question of -
thi iha
M m:
tiV, Whith was, how many witnesses against die Queett had ar-
nv,.d previous to the 17th of August?
Th. LORD CH A NagLLOR objected to the guesaitak
1 NT• rowtll was recalled.