Star.
London, England, 1803-05-20 00:00:00

TIOW.

Mr. Gilt,/ rofe to make his pi-mired motion fur
papers. He had availed himfelf of the fhort time
which had been afforded for peru(ng the papers
laid before the Houle, and it had occurred to him
that it would be necelfary to produce a number of
I otbcr documents befole any opinion could be pro-

nounced on the coati& of his Majefly's Miniflers.
He fhould trouble the Houfe but shortly, becaufe
the utility of the papers he moved for would be
obvious, and becaufe he wished to abflain from
every thing which might appear to prejudge the
general queftion, which was to be difcuffed on
Monday. The only obfervaiion he had to make
was, that upon mot of the arongea points of com-
plaint Rated againa France in the Declaratian,
even upon thole, which, if true, he was ready to
admit, conflituted a legitimate ground of war,
either no information, or very little, was given in
the papers fubmitted to the Houle. He then pro-
ceeded to detail the motions, which he intended to
put, accompanying his aatemcnt with a few re-
mails on the neceftty of each of the documents he
called for being produced. The fubfiance of the
motions was as follows :

1. Copies of any retnonftrances made to the French Govern-
ment in confequence of adts of violence committed on the ve(*.
fels and property of his Majefty's fubjedts, with the anfwers
thereto, from the aft of May, illot ,to the Bth of March, tBo3.
a. Copy of any Remonftrances made relative to a number
perfons fent to this country as Commercial Agents or Confab..
with the anfwers thereto. . . _

3. The inftfuellons of Talleyrand to Citizen Pauvelete, at
Dublin. . .

4. Copies of the Communications between his Majefty's AU-
nitters and the French Government, relative to the continu-
ance of the French troops in Holland.

-
S. Copy of any Raman ranee made on the fulsjed of certain
exprefSons in the Evpcji of the French Government to the Le-
giftative Body.
6 Copy of the Anfwer of the French Government to the
Note Periale on the fubicift of Switzerland.
y. Copies of all Orders fent to the Commanders of the Land.
and Sea Forces at the Cape relative to the evacuation of that
place, with their anfwers.
8. Copies of any information which Miniftcrs may have re-
ceived relative to the Cethon of Louitiana by France to the
United States of America.

9. The fubaloce and intelligence received by Minittery re-
lative to Military Preparations in the Ports of France and Hol-
land, between the tit of May, t Sot, and the Bth of Marsh, tBO3.
Lord HAWK ESIWILY Paid, that the fcparate com-
plaints were not detailed, on,the ground that each
fhould be confidered as a legitimate ground of war,
but were Rated as conftituting a body of evidence
which demonlirated the bailie difpofnion of the
French Government. He then went over each of
Mr. Grey's motions, and endeavoured to prove
their impropriety. With regard to the report of
the ceffion of Louifiana to the American Govern-
ment, he admitted the faa to be true. A docu-
ment on that fubjea had been received a few days
ago by the very refpedable Gentleman who was
Minifter from the United States to this Court. He
would not pledge himfelf to lay this paper before
the Houfe; but he believed it was of a nature;
which might with propriety be produced. There
was, however, no doubt of the fad; but his know-
ledge of the event was fubfequent to the chile of
the negotiation with France ; and the Houfe would
judge how far the condua of his Majeßy's Govern-
ment may not have contributed to produce
He contended,that the augmentation of the French
army, as declared in the Exfrfi, warranted the
calling out of the Militia ; but that meafure could
not have been taken without the Meffage : on this
ground, in particular, he vindicated the expref•
(ions in the Meffage.
Mr. Ws ITIRIAD fpoke in fupport of Mr. Grey's
motions. He faid that every thing which could be
a caufe of war was alfo a caufe for remonftrance
from Minißers: and they were highly obliged to,
his Hon. Friend for calling the attention of the
Houfe to the circumflances upon which hismotions
were founded.

Lord Casrisatacis was spina the motions.
It was eafy to fee, from the perufal of the capers
before the Houfe, that it was advifeable for his
Majefly to ufe meafures of precaution when be
fent the meffage. It was then admitted, that ex-
peditions were preparing for Louifiana and other
places by France, but there, in cafe of a rupture,
might equally well be applied to the annoyanceof
this country. •
Mr. WINDHAM contended, that according to the
Meffage of his Majefty, there mud have been tome
additional armaments in the ports of France, and
above what the muff always be Itippofed to haven
and which there was little doubt, while her, prefent
greatnefs remained, ►ite was likely to have. As
to the fear the Minid.rs exprefTed of difclofing the
fources of their information, it was rather ltrange,
when they had aftually allcdged the declarations
of the French Government as a proof of the arma-
ments. Now, furely, in that cafe they could ni
have much to fear from difclofing their com-
municants. The Houle and the Country had been
almoll famiftied for the want of information, and
they were now to be put off with the mere declar-
ation that Minifters were ready to give every
intelligence, but in reality declined doing fo. Mr.
W. proceeded at confiderable length in prethng
the propriety of agreeing to the motions.
Lord Carrttasacs explained.
The CIIANCILLOR of the Excsiaoyest defended
the conduft of Adminiftration. The reprefentav
tions were made to the Ambalfador on the fobjeEts
of Holland and the Confular Commercial Agents
fent into this country, verbally, and not in writing.
As for thole Agents, they were not withdrawn till
after repeated applications. The originaldocuments
of information concerning the armaments going
on in the ports of France and Holland were of a
nature too fecret to be laid before the Houfe.—
Indeed, he reconciled an infiance of fimilar docu-
ments being produced in 1782, which were the
means of flopping channels of communicat:on
open ever fince King William the Third. Betides
in that inftance it was in confequence of a Vote of
Parliament again( the eliding Board of Admiral-
ty. There were armaments at Bred and in the
Mediterranan, and :1,000 French troops, with
other preparations at Helvoet, at the time when
we had not a Militiaman embodied. Thefe were
fufficient grounds for our taking meafures of pre-
caution, as. i■ cafe of a rupture, filch armaments
would be turned quickly againft us in an unpre-
pared Rate. He then alluded to the Conful's
converfation with Lord Whitworth, and to the
Expoft. He then proceeded to a warm eulngium
on the Firil Lord of the Admiralty, whom the
" bate and unjuft Ganders" of individuals had en.
desvoured to afperfe and calumniate, and afferted,
that our naval force greatly overmatched its former
state at: the beginning of any former war. Hs
concluded with a variety of farther obarrations.

Ltwtlttrea rpoke at eonfiderable length in
reply to Mr. Addington.
The &cart-Aar at Wait made feveral obferva.
tions on the Militia Aft, and the propriety of af-
fembling the Militia at the crifis of his Majefty's
MCITAge. He confidesed the armament at Toulon
as one which might, by pollibility, be intended fox
Ireland.
Mr. W. SMITH canfidered the prefent impor-
tant crifis as one which peculiarly called upon
Minifters to give to the Houfe of Commons every
poffible information upon the important fubjeft to
be difeured on Monday.
The MAST I R of the ROLLS thought that general
information on fuch a fubjeft was fufficient. He
entered into a very ingenious and argumentative
defence of the Minifterial objeaions to the produc-
tion of Papers concerning the armaments.
Mr. WINDHAM explained.
Mr. Gary begged to be indulged with a few
obfervations, by way of reply. With regard to
Tome of his motions he kad nothing to offer, be-
eaufe it appeared to him they were acceded to a..
With refpea to others, it had been Rated that as
no official communication could be made, there-
fore there Should be none at at all. The necellity
of explanation was admitted, but it was refaced to
be given, becaufe there was no written informa-
tion on the fubjeft. Unfortunate it was, that upon
a fubjed affecting the lives and liberties of mil-
lions, that we fhould have no other account than a
verbal one. Unfortunate it was, that upon fuch a
fubjeft as France having placed, under pretence
of fending commercial men to this country, mili-
tary men in our ports to take their founding:, there
ihould be no explanation given but what was of
a verbal nature ; the Houfe ought to have full ex-
planation on the fubjeft ; he did not know whether
France might not deny the affertion made by Ws
Majefty's Miniflers ; he argued that he did not
deny military preparations in the ports of France
and Holland were a lull pretence for war ; but he
doubted as to the exiftence of the faa, and the
Houfe was as much entitled to a full explanation
on that part of the fubjeft, as it hid been at the
period of 1783. The grounds of the debate,
Which was to take place next Monday, rendered
Inches previous enquiry abfolutely necerary ; the
Houfe was pledged to thew the country that the
war was jug and neceffary--,-that it was brought
wit by the ambition of the enemy, and not by the
incapacity of Minifiers ; they were bound to af
certain the real truth ; he has not called for mi-
nute intelligence, but only general information ;
he had ever heed taught that plain dealing was the
belt rule to obferve. At a period like the prefent,
when the country was to (train every nerve in the
coma, all he raked was, to have an accurate
(late of fads, and proof that the danger did not
confift in the imagination of his Maje fiy's Minifters.
The CHANCILLOR or viii Excesews a. recur-
tins to the gatemen of the converfateon between
Lord Whitworth and the Vita Coofnl, Paid, that
the affertion of the Firft Conful refpeding his fa-
cilit of turning the force at Toulon again ItEgypt.
applied to a force not a month before, but attually
thin at Toulon, and Rated alto, that an actual con-
feription for new levies of force, had taken place in
France three weeks before the Merage and that
this infeription was fpecifieally mentioned by the
Plrlt Conful, in his menaces to Lord Whitworth,
for the invafion of this country.
LAwaINCII PARSONS laid a few words to the
Abu etre& : when the queftion being loudly called
for, was put on the ibteral motions of Mr. Grey
ftfCceitvely ; hen the t ft, 3d. and Bth were carried
in the affirmative. Upon the ad, 4th, sth, and
6th, Lord HAwassaorty moved the previous
QLreftion, Which was carried. The 7th, refpeding
the Cape of Good Hope Lord Footstool, moved
ail amendment, " together with the date of the
laft difpatches received by his Majefty's Miaifers
refpeding the retention thereof."
To which Lord HaweIISBURY acceded, and the
*notion pared in the affirmative.
Upon the 9th queftion, refpeding the produt.
tion of documents relative to the Armaments in
the French and Dutch ports, the queftion being
put, the Hours divided... Ayes 59.—Noes 161%.
Majority againft the motion Vt.
Adjourned at half rift ten.

LONDON.

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Deimos to gratify. to the utmot of our power.
the anxious expedtations of our Readers at the pre-
fent important cries ; we ventured yellerday to
fubjea them to a double expellee for the Sr•a,
that, by means of a Supplementary Sheet. we
might be enabled to lay before them at once the
whole of the Papers prefented the day before by
his Mk; sIITY'S command to both Houfes of Parlia-
ment, except his MAJISTII'II DICLAILATION, which
want of room, notwithlbanding our double Sheet.
obliged us to polipone till this day.
The printed Papers laid before Parliament were
followed by an Appendix containing Colonel Sa-
BASTLANI'II Report, the View of the French Re.
public publiffied in the Mealier IA February, and
the Mandell° which appeared in the Hamburgh
Paper ; all of which have already been laid before
the Readers of the STML•
It contains alfo a letter from Srtatonoa Foe-
assTl to Lord HAWKIIIIDIT,isfonniag him. that
*d the Cesar Com sm. had tabu ware his peataine
the Catholic. Apoßolic. and Roman Churches of
the Republic of the Seven Illeads."

It contains Intuits a letter from the French Ml.
aifter to C. FAOVILIT et Dublin, which among
other infra lions gives hiss the following :-
40 t t. You an required to lana' a Pisa of the

Ports of your Diftritt, with a Specification of the
Soundings for mooring Vellels.
" 12. If no Plan of the Ports tan be procured,
you are to point out with what wind veffels can
come in and go out, and what is the greateft
Draught of Water with which Veffels can enter
therein deeply laden
It would be infating the good fenfe of our
Readers to trouble them with remarks of our own
on the Papers which have been laid before the
public, and which are of fuch a nature that but
one opinion can be entertained of them. But,
however great the infillts that have been offered
to our Kawo, our Contlitution, and,the-Nation,
we may be allowed to exprefs a belie, that thould
the French Government become difpofed to aft
with more jullice and moderation, Mininers will
lend a ready ear to any honourable propofitions
that may be made, calculated to avert the horrors
rancorous war.
In the meantime we have to announce that hof-
tilities have already commenced : the Freifa, Cap-
tain Fierdet, from Ceuta, with wine and brandy
for Amfterdann, having been taken by the VIXEN
gun vette', and fent into Dover.
An interefting Debate took place in the Honfe
of Commons laft night, on the Motion of Mr.
GREY, for the produftion of certain Papers not
included in thnfe laid before the Houk by order
of his Mayan's, on Wednefday laft. The thf.
culion chiefly turned on what related to that part
of the K►wo's Mcfrage which Rated that arma-
ments v e.e carrying on in the ports of France arid
Holland. The Hon. Member preffed very clofely
for fuch documents as gave rife to that part of the
Meffage, and the Refolutions adopted in confe-
quence of it. Lord Hawn sum met all his ar-
guments. and very forcibly (hewed the impropriety
of yielding up die Papers demanded, as the
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was of a fecret nature, and the
development of it would, in fad, break up that
channel of information, which it was of importance
to preferve, and betray a duplicity in his Majefty's
Minifters not at all confiftent with the dignity of
the Britifh Empire. Mr. Gases motion was re-
jetted by a large majority.