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pendenee which belonged to her, or whether She
Sbould fubmit to the abfolute dilation of a French',
Ambairador ? hut he could not accede to the pro-
pofition of a noble Viccount, that Malta alone
would have been a rational ground for war, beeanfed
if that ifland had been completely ceded to us, it',
would hate ain't ded a degree of fecurity infinitely!
Short of shat we had a right to fined, and what it I'l
became nedeffary for us now to leek. The objedsl
for which we had to cootend were of a wider and
more imp,,rtant nature. Our jealottfy and alarm was
excited by that incntiigoble Ipirir of encroachment!
and ambition whicl• not only the Firfi Conful, but in
fad all the perfons connected with the Government,'
of France had for fume time nianifeited ; and even.
if Malta were adually in our hands in perpetuity,,
we fliould not fit down contented until fume further'
fecurity lbould be obtained. Of this the nation
ought to be aware. If the lift of injuries and mani-
feftations of defign contained in the papers on the
table were to be attended to, certainly Malta afford-I
ed but one :nears of our Safety. It would, to be
fore, contribute to the protation of Egypt, and
through that of our Indian Empire ; but was 'Kit the
'Only point in which we were vulnerable? Were not
the dates of Holland, Piedmont,and Switzerland jail
fubjeds of our folicitude ? it was well obferved, that
the power of France was the more formidable becaufe
it was cnndenfed : but it was not therefore to be
concluded that that connedion was not to be broken,
and the idea was not to be entertained that that
power was not to be overcome. It was not lefs ab-
turd than impolitic to propagate filch an opinion.—
The f.,@ was, that from the prefent Rate of this coun-
try there was no option ; either the attempt to re-
duce that power mull be made, or the nation mull
fall down to the moll allied and degrading fubmtf-
lion. The main object of the war, if it be either po-
pular or politic, mutt be to reftrain the arrogance, to
reduce the preponderance of the French Govern-
...anent; and until that objeft be attained the war
Should not he abandoned ; until France fball not be
capable of endangering our exiftence, whatever may
be the difpolition of her Government to injure us.—
Such ought to be the ohjed of the war, and fo it
ought to be defined to the country. In fuch a caufe
be was confident there was not a man in the Britith
empire who thought jullly and felt like an Englith-
man, who would not devote his bell exertions. The
people Mould be told that the poffeffion of Malta
would not be fufficient to fatisfy the views of Govern
:went; that much more was fought for—the material
paint was to diminith the continental power of
France, where he contended (be was vulnerable; for
whatever noble Lords might fay of her extent, he
would beg the Houfe to confider the nature of the
Strange combination of particles which formed that
extent, and it would ceate to be thought an objei2 of
filch terrific magnitude. It was, in fad, quite com-
petent to Great Britain, with the refources, popula-
tion and fpirit She poltelfed, to bring this overgrown
authority within reafonable bounds; but it muff be
done by vigorous efforts, by a Short and decifive war,
not by petty attempts with refped to Malta, or any
comparatively inferior cbjed, or by any colonial ex-:
peditious, calculated to cramp the energy and walk:
the Strength of the country, but by a bold and ex-t
tenfive exertion. If this plan were not purfued.
was fate that the means of war would be exhaufted,
without producing any of the advantages we had a
right to look for, and therefore if it were not de-
termined on, it would he better that the country
Should at once fubmit. However much he deprecat-
ed the thought of unmanly fubmillion, he would fay
that unlefs the conceit were commenced with refolu-
tion and followed up with dignified intrepidity and
promptitude, the country would meet its fate, and it
would then be Stated with juilice that the pufillani-
Thous would have no right to complain of adverfe for-
tone, and no claim to pity in their humiliation. He
exhorted Minifters to Rudy the bell means of render-
ing the war of the nature he defcrihed. Let it not
be a protracted. balanced war. They had for the laft
year a deficiency of four millions in what they called
a peace eftablifhment, and if to that deficit was to
be added the expence to be incurred in the future
eftablifkment of Malta, if annexed to this country, he
would fay that it was utterly impnlfible the country
could go on with fuer a deficit. A vigorous war that
Should terminate the Rate which fubjeeted the coun-
try to fuch increafed expenditure would he much more
preferable, for fuch a count mull tetd to ruin. This
was the fentiment of an illuarimis Perfonage who had
(Oaken in the couife of the debate, and who had deli-
Tered his opinions in forth a (train as mull have confi.
&Table influence on the feelings of the country.—
That effete, fo defirable in the co efent crifis, a perfiin
of Still higher rank would have contributed his fcnti
menu, to produce (we tinderßood the Noble Lord to
allude to the Prince Wale,), if a peculiar delicacy
had not teftrained his ItoyalHighnefs from interfering,
left his in terferenee fhoold ha ve had any undue influence,
on the minds of their Lordfhips upon a fubjed in which
the moil uobiaffed and deliberate confideration was fo
material. Recurring to the linftile difpofition of the
French Government towards this country, the Noble'
Lord remarked, that before ally papers at prefent on the
table had ever appeared, his mind was impreired with'
the fulleft convteinn upon that point. Even before the
treaty ofAmienswasfignedhe was of that opinion,and
therefore in the courfe of the difcuffions refpeding it,
be declined to give any opinion refpeding it, becaufe,
however little he expeded that it would tend toproduce
the aOual bleffings of peace, he could not permit him-
felf to offer any thing to damp the fatisfadion which
prevailed among the people on the conclufinn of that
treaty. It however appeared to him not only the day
Minifters executed the treaty, but before and imme-
diately after. Into this oneilion he would not now
enter. parti:nlarly as he rinderanod that the pene-
tration and condat of Mntiaers, in this and other
iOnarICCS, was to be made the fobjed of confideration
on a future day. The Noble Lord again urged the
neceffity of endeavouring to render the war of Short
duration, and this was not rattle, unlefs the minds
and the refources of the nation were vigoroufly and
jirdictonfly exerted—unlefs an appeal were made to
the fouls of the people.—Whatever might be the dif.
(creme of opinion as to the fyßem of his Majefty's
Minifters, it mull naturally be the ardent with of every
Noble Lord that Britons Should rife tri imphant from
the cr neon. The Houfe would recnileft that the re
tourers of the country were amply adequate toevere
purp, lie, if applied with judgment. It would alto ht.
recoiled, that though the power of our enemy wad
'insular in purge of Sin, it was compofed of very

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'of our Ambaffador it was evident that the Ultima.
tom of our Government had not been agreed to. It
:was, therefore, to be conticlered as an aggreffion when
'the French' gave fuch a refufal, and which was only
'to be remedied by a fpirited and unanimous refißance.
Ifle therefore voted for the Addrefs.

eircordant parts. If the eouatry was to be engaged'that Wand, even fuppofing it had been politic in the
in war, it ought to receive a confident affuranee that firft inflance, was immediately afterward rendered
'tt did not go into it merely for colonial purpofes, for utferlyimpratticable by a total change in the circurn-,
petty corneas, but for great national intereas. Such dances of the ifland itfelf. But if, as he was con-
ought to be the general feeling. and the Houle fhould vinced, the furrender of that ifland ought not to have'
bear io mind this important fall, that if the prefent made an article .of the Treaty in the firs inftance.
I war be mifcondufted, one confolation only wilt re. how much more impolitic Iseult have been the furren-
Imainahatwe than never have another war to moan& der after the unequivocal declaration in Sebaftianes'
1 Earl SPESICER Paid, that after the very able man- Report, and the avowal of the French Conful him.
'tier in which this queltion had been difeuffid, he did felf, that he did not confider Egypt as an objea
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not will to trefpafs on their Lordfhips' attention, by worth going to war for. convinced as he was, that
'going into a minute detail upon its leveret topics.- at no very diflant day it molt fall to the poffeffion of
IHe had, upon a former night, expreffed his opinion, France. Impoffible then as was the furrender of
that the fable& of his Nlajefty's Declaration naturally Malta under Inch circumftances, and jultified as this
!divided itfelf under two dialed heads:-fira, the country was in its retention as a poll of defence, he
Caufe of the Country, as againll France -fecondly, would not pals by, without expreffing his allouifh-
' the Cattle of the Country, as againft Miniaers ; and ment and reprobation of, a propofition offered by a
thole fuhjees ought to be the nhjefls of &atria dif. Noble Earl (Stanhope) for obtaining the right of
cullion, and on dittine days. Confidering, therefore, poffeffing an ifland already ours, by furrendering the
the latter as referved for a future opportunity, he had iflands of Guernfey and Jerfey in exchange. He
ino helitatinn in declaring his moll decided opinion, would elk the Noble Lord himfelf, how he could re-
that upon the face of the whole negotiation, as (laced concile with his zealous love of liberty, fuch a propel.
in the papers upon the table, this Country had not fition in 7-epee to thole Wands ? Was this the re.
lonly a just, but an indifpenfible cattle of war againft ward he would render for their arduous fervices,
France ; not only with rake& to the loth article of and their ardent attachment to Great Britain ?
the Definitive Treaty. in relation to Malta, which, or by what fpecies of argument could he reconcile
from the firs moment of the fignature of the Prelimi. the furrender of fo many thoufands of true loyal
nary Treaty,he confidered as impraelicable,confiitent Britifh fubjeets to the molt abject flavery, under the
with the fecurity of Egypt againft France, and con- military defpotifm of France. If the pail:lion of
fequently of our poffeffions in India-not only upon Malta were to he attained on no other terms, better
this ground, but upon the various other points of were it relinquithed for ever. With refpee to the
aggreffion and aggrandizement by France tince the war itfelf, he confidered it not a mealure of option
fignattire of the Definitive Treaty, and aggravated by for this country, but one of irrefdlible neceffity ; and
the avowed views of the Chief Conful for the re. this only was the ground upon -which he confidered
poffeflion of Egypt. His info lting attempts to die- war as juaified The conduit of France, from the
tate to the Britifh Government meafures of Legifla. Treaty of Amiens to the end of the late Negotiation,
cure and jurifprudence, for the internal regulation of, was one continued fyflem of infult and aggreffion.
this country, to accommodate his wifhes, as well as' He was proud however to %Omer". now that Nego-
the unjuaifiable feizure and confifeation of Britiffiltiation had terminated in the defeat of all efforts for
(hips in French ports, during a period of profeffelithe fecurity of Peace, a fpirit of unanimity and vi
amity and peace, under the operation of laws enaa-lgour in that Houle for the fupport of a war,
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ed during a time of inveterate enmity and warfare,l,policy and neceffity of which was no longer mater,
for which all redrefs had been refuted. Convinced, of queflton. The connexions between the nations
therefore, upon the whole of thole confederations, that of Europe and this country were fuch, as that we
this country had the molt jolt right of war, which he could not exist under the degrading humiliation of
conceived, under fuch circumftances, to be unavoid.. a fubmittal to the dictates of France. Such was the
able, without fubmitting to the mod degrading hu- extent and importance of the British Empire, that
miliation of national honour and national fecurity, he the moment England fhould fit down in fubtriffion
fhould give his moft hearty fupport to the Addrefs, to France, the frame of our exiflence muff fall
rather than to the Amendment, which, by prolong. to pieces. The 'country Indeed might exit, but a
ing a temporifing fyftem, would lead to no poffibTe total change and debafement mull take place in the
advantage, but would rather exhauft the means of circurnflancet of the people. their laws and conflitu
our fecurity, and allow the French Government time tion. To avoid fuel a fate we mull prepare our
to gain new advantages. He trufted, now that war minds and our refources for an energetic and effec-
was rendered inevitable, the Houfe and the country tive war, and not a Abort, weak, and temporary con-
would be unanimous in fupporting his Majeay to tell. which mutt leave us in the neceffity of retorting
profecute it with energy. He trailed that our re- again to arms at no remote period, but without equal
fourceswouldbe wifely and energetically adminifterid; means of renewing the contall. To rely upon tbel
and this done, no doubt could remain of our fuccefs. mere faith of a nation, which has given fuels decided,
Lord Rosstypt role to give his heatty fupport to evidence of intention to violate the Treaty of Amiens,l
the Addrefs, and to exprefs his convitlion not only the very moment they are negotiating that Treaty,l
(that the caufes for which this country went to War would indeed betray the greatell weaknefs. Thad
were pit, but that the rneafure was imperionfly.Treaty, which under the moll folemn appeal to the
forcia upon us, without any alternative left but the law of nations, guaranteed the polliffinn of Egypt.
'humiliation, difgrace, and final ruin of this country; to Turkey; yet ahnoft in the very moment of its
land though he differed with tome Noble Lords as to conclufion, the very man who was formerly fent thi-I
the caufes and nbjeas of the war, yet looking to the ther as the preeurfor of the fist invafion from France,"
detail of the Negotiation, he beheld fuels a mats of Sebaßiani, is again feat to review the country, to'
caufes, as could leave no other option for this enun. examine into the practicability of again invading it ;I
try. His Lordlhip then proceeded to recapitulate and a public report of his pm refs is avowed in the
many of the lading points of the diplomatic. corref- official paper of the French Government at Paris tl
pondence as well as the detail of -the proceedings of which 'derma, if it had been only found on boards
the French in Holland, Switzerland, Piedmont. and a French veffel returning from Egypt, authenticat-
Italy, which, he obferved, formed one continued ed by the tignature of a French Agent, would of
mars of aggreffion. injuries, and infults, irons the itfelf be diffident proof of the violation of the treaty
moment of figning the Definitive Treaty. to the to have jultified war. There was a point, be laid.
hour which terminated the Negotiation ; and he par. in his Majeay's Declaration, which feemed to have,
titularly adverted to the minion of Sebaftiani to efcaped attention : it was an intimation, that France
Egypt, obvioufly with a view to found the probabi. had, fince the Treaty of Amiene, propoted to fome'
lity of retaking that enmity y ; and whole report re- of the Governments of Europe, a plan for the parti• 1
(petting which, in relation to our army, was infi- tints of the Turkifh Empire, the integrity of which,
nitely leis polite and candid than the declaration of but a few months fince, it had guaranteed by treaty.'
Dgezzar Pacha, whom he termed a Barbarian. It -Adding this circumftance to the aggreflion of the
was not the retention of Malta, his Lordfhip obferv- French Government towards every nation in Europe,
ed, which ought to be the foie, or the leading nb in violation of that Treaty, what reliance could this
jell of the war; an object not led important, was that Country place upon the faith of that Government ;
which forced this country to a fucceffive fcries of wars or what ground was there left to fiippofe that a fur-
with France under the old monarchy; tamely, a Cher prolongation of the ternpotifing fyftem' was
view to check the encroaching fpirit of ambition and more likely to bring them to a fenfe of juftice ? There
aggrandifement wh ch uniformly markedthe policy of was no man felt with deeper regret than he did, the
that country towards all Europe; a pokey now more calamities of war. although to him the with for war
glaring and immoicrate than at any former period had been falfely attributed. But war or peace was no
of French hiftory. To check this fpirit, therefore, longer matter of choice for this net m.; for it was
before it (welled beyond all power of repretlion, was forced upon her as the only alternative from ruin.-
furely an important object of war. At no time in ,He would with to cbferve to the Noble Lord oho
the annals of French ambition, was the fpirit of en 'moved this amendment, and to whofe talents and'
mity to this country lo defperately marked: and good fenfe he paid high deference, that the fyßem of
therefore we were juftified and impelled to it by the ;temporifing with the French Government had been
eaceffity of Pelf defence. !tried ton long in vain. To continue it longer would
The Marquis of Scion (poke (lonely in fupport of'be to allow them time to gain advantages, and to ex- --
the Addrefs, fully convinced that the war was not Inuit our own time and refources in a fruitleli expe-1
mat ter of option, but of inevitable neeeflity and felt. riment : unlefs to the furrender of Martinique and. 5 aaaaaa se, MAT sp-Cam In here this day &Dutch alp.
prefervatinn. the Cape, we are prepared to add that of Ma ta, and detained hying Vises gun-brig.-. Admiral Sii Jeans Save,
Lord Grammes role with Come faineance to leave ourfclves no means of oppofing the fatal blow Knee has gone to Jerfey, to take the eommaad of his Majeny's
trefpafs on the attention of the Houle, exhaiilled asp our trade in the Mediterranean. and opening tolibips and taffeta that-Admiral Rowan has urived ben to
(it mull be after fo long a debate; but viewing as he France the road to our poffeffions in India. To theihatft libation boardthe 'Zs , but es Lord Kenn has not
now did, after a year of experiment, of negotiation, Noble Lord (Moira) who had epoeet, of the prefenttret Riad his, we underttand be Is to coutinand the North Sea
land anxious fiifpence, this country, brought now to as a (hurt war,he would anfwer that he had no idea of Fleet. -.Tits Amman, Captain Arens, failed lag night,
that point which he had forefeen was inevitable from the coma being terminated with promptitude ; on sk sio„,,, &sm., under animus= yeacruy' and bboarad
the moment the Treaty of Amiens was cor,cluded.Ethe contrary, he waled the country timid be taughtla _Wedonotknowtheorden6ebrought.
Whatever might be his opinion of the con toe of his fairly to contemplate its danger, as the only a. '
means'
.LYMOOTI Max S Left night arrived 12 theall
Sound,
Majefly's Minters in that Negotiation, and whichof being able to meet it with adequate firmneft..-1g b I. lur
brig . sys&fliftWlJAAlll Pass.. commander and owner
would be the fubjeet of difeuffion at another day,! From the fialeil convietion, which the moll attentivelf,„„ t,„ bound to St. m"..._ hid..." (alt, ....;
he would not for the prefent withhold his con.lconlideration the eircumaances of the Empire' --.- --- -- ----- --- captured
Bay of Remy. The ACAISTA id attached to the Channel Mats
lon Tuefday kit by his Majelty's Cep ACAS/A, of gigues, In the
gratulation from the Houle and the country upon could infpire, he was inclined to give the country this
fic silo captured a Dutch dagger, but parted company with bet
that fpirit and unanimity in fopport of his Ma-; advice. that if it was not prepared to meet the con ."
jet,, fi
y, which Cofo eminently marked the difeuon: Ilia with the moll decided energy, and to the fulleft '
two nights ago. It appears that there area greet number of pd.
of this night. The various topics of the Ncgoti-!extent of its refources, as one upon which its chill-
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ready for fea : among them is the famous pip pri-
vateers Suing oat In France, tipecially at Booed/an, and many.
ation, as well as of the eels of violence, oppref. ence as a Nation depends, it were better to fubmit at
through the whok of tbe lalt war, sad
lion, and aggrandizement, on the part of the once to a degrading fubjuga.ion. But if the country!pf saw:newt!
was uncommonly focceisful.
French Government, both fince the fignature of hoped to avoid fuch a fare, it could only be done by 'lamer ''rcese' which ran
the Definitive Treaty, and even while it was yet on:the unanimity, the firmnefs of their lawdfhips, of the
the point of conclnfion, had been fo ably difctifTed in other Honk of Parliament, and of the country at DEAL, MAT al-Arrived the HvintA frigate, Lau loop
the cnurfe of the prefent debate, that he fhould feel
'large. in fupport of the Government, and in the and Locust sua.vdrd, from a crotse.-Wiad N. N. Y.
It unnecetfary to trefpafs on their Lordfhips' at-energetic exertion of all our arength and refources.' GIATISSIOD. MAT sp-Palfed try the klimbetb, .-., jobs
tension by going minutely into the detail. This The Earl of D ,in a few words, declared ,Wairm./1. r.."-; and DV"""__,__Goilib.,. —• froen......a.Mond ; ,iall.
Attensipc°,hPaintn".
re(ult, however, was obvious to every man's obfer his fentiments againft the Addrefs, and in favour of ' `a"-"roun ."I"`''''''' mary, ---; ''''''"hce's*.e.
;lint:ion; N,
NePturieholfulos' aro;
Z,;-.-AlelmlUdercbsrd. awl',
Pomona,itihtt
sction, that the whole of the conduct of France, from the Amendment.
that hem to the prefent, was one uninterrupted [cries Lord Calton( remarked that we were now &easily Two Brothers, Boswell; Frickfden. ...--,, end Forthofinall, Sea-
of aggreffion and infult to this country. and to all at war ; and in his opinion it appeared abfurd to de- try. ~..fr_"l Narwaya-Saill_,the Nrawara Zeta
t far Bartel, o._na;
Europe. With refret to the Wand of Malta. which liberate a moment with an idea of negmiation. As men"t.7"7".,* --7,',Tr.,Airc".r... ; 'cow ''oc"Ile• --and 'ink...L.." '''.
A Noble Ft iced of his who (poke early in the debate Conn as an Ultimatum had been delivered to the Mao: far---
Hainbiiiga7 w- eaar ; ' ' .---
(Lord Melville) had mentioned as of itfelf a fufficient French Government, and they had given a refute! to
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ground of war, he was ready to accede to the prin that particular point, war was to be confidered a 1-0VD914, PriateelaaaPablateab7l-EVIL KENT.._ .03,(Calk.
:plc, and to agree with that Noble Lord, that the rat only inevitable, but nearly the fame as if hoßili. 11162"-&1*- .Lainbetil)al she teal 13eeletizw. Nos 0t
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Crew. reass sib at the Ssaa Chaps, a•nweaww,
loth at tick of the Definitive Treaty, with Terra to tics bad been &dually efonmentel From tbc rocs

I The quellion was put, and there appeared—Con.
'tents, 42—Non Contents, to.
The order for the confideratisn of the Chandos
Peerage, which flood for Tuefday, was poaponed to
IThurfday fennight.—Adjourned.