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London, England, 1827-06-02 00:00:00

Bart STANHOPB presented a Petition from 1,500 Landown-
ers of the town and vicinity of Bedford, we understood, against any

Earl BATHURST had given notice, some time
slum of his intention to bring in a Bill to regulate the
administration of Justice in our West India Colonies.
As a measure of this sort, however, ought to originate
with his Majesty's Government, by whom alone it
could be properly Carried into effect, he should with-
draw his notice, and recommend the subject to his
Noble Friend who now filled the post of Colonial Secre-
tary. In doing so, however, he wished to state briefly
what were the ameliorations which he had contem-
plated. One of the defects of the Civil and Criminal
Courts was, that there were Assistant Judges who *eta
not professional• men, and' yet had an equal vote with
the rest; so that it sometimes happened that the Chief
Justice was left in a minority. There were also five
Courts of Common Pleas, consisting of five Judges,
four of whom were not paid, while the fifth had
Wary of 4001. a year. This, however, was not sufficient
to procure the services of a man of sufficient learning'
and eminence. There were two modes to remedy the
defects in the administration of justice in those Colo-
nies. The one was to call upon them to revise their
separate institutions; the other was for Parliament to
interfere. The impoverished state of the West Indies
precluded them from allowing a sufficient remunera-
lion to secure men of high professional abilities, fit
such individuals would not spend ten or twenty years
of their lives in the Colonies on such a small salory,
and wiihout any provision for their future life. If the)
. resided besides in separate islands, they could: MI
escape the imputation of having become actuated b)
localprejudices, and partialities. It bad been his plan,
therefore, to induce some of the Islands to club toge-
ther to obtain an uniform administration of justice,
and to prhpose a Circuit Court, which would go round
the whole of the Islands twice a year and try
causes. In-this manner the individuals of • whom it
should be composed might be amply remunerated,
and as they would form no local connections, they
would not become liable to the charge of partiality.—
Though this alteration would be generally acceptable,
yet, as it could not but be carried into effect without
repealing many laws belonging to the Islands, and as
it would excite considerable alarm if the British Parlia-
ment undertook to repeal those laws, he therefore had
meant to 1 repose that the Circuit Cotut should only
travel to those Islands which, by their own Acts, should
have repealed those laws. He now left these matters
to his Majesty's Ministers, begging his Noble Friend
(Lord Goderich) to take the subject into consideration
during the summer recess, and to bring forward some
specific motion next Session.
Viscount GODERICH remarked, that Hs Noble
Friend bad justly observed, that it was much easier to
point out and discover defects than to discover a re-
medy for them ; though not possessed of the advanta-
geous experience of the Noble Earl, he would, how-
ever, do every thing in his power to meet the com-
plaint. He was fully impressed with the importance of
a due administration of justice in the West Indies. The
House must be aware that any rash attempt to alter it
might be productive of bad results, and ultimately defeat
the object of his Noble Friend. He assured his Noble
Friend that he would avail himself of his suggestions as
soon as the pressure of business would allow.
STATE Or THE NATION.
The Earl of WINCHELSEA observed, that he should
ha wanting in courtesy to the Noble Lord who had
asked him if he meant to proceed in the motion of which
be gave notice a short time since, relative to the recent
formation of his Majesty's Government, their intentions
as to the question of Reform, and several other (pees-
lions of great importance to the country, if he suffered
the House to adjourn, oithout informing their
.Lud-
ships that it was bit intention to withdraw it. He had
cone, ived it impossible that an -Administration formed
like the present should possess that unanimity which
would entitle it to public confidence, without a sacrifice
of principle on the one side or the other. When he
considered, however, that other notices of questions on
which the late adjoints to Ministry had long dif-
fered from them had been withdrawn, he thought him 7
self entitled to conceive it an a.tual tact, that unanimity
had been procured by sacrifice of principle, and he had
no doubt that the individuals concerned would of their
own accord, find an opportunity before the end of the
session to explain the principles on which they had
accepted office.
The Marquis of L&NSDOWN said, that it was not
for him to enquire what the motive of the Noble Lord
was in bringing forward the motion, or what his rest nt
motive was for abandoning it. It was a motion relevant
to the Constitution, which every Noble Lt rd had a right
to make, if he considered the Government not calcu-
lated to effect the purposes for which it was intended.
The Noble Marquis attributed the conduct of the Noble
Lord, in now withdrawing his motion, to mature sub-
sequent reflection on the subject, which ccnvinced him
that•there was nothing to complain of. He had no
doubt that the Noble Earl had sufficient reasons for
altering the course he was proceeding in, and that he
did not now consider the conduct of his blajesty's Mini--
tens to be the ground for any Parliamentary proceeding.
He (the Noble Marquis)vell knew that it such had not
been the Noble Lord's opinion, his manliness and
courage, and the great public duty he owed to the
country would not have allowed him to withdraw his
motion. The Nob!e Earl bad intimated that the una-
nimity of his Majesty's Government had been purchased
by concessions of principle, he should therefore declare,
that no one opinion which he had ever entertained on
any subject had been withdrawn, and that his connec-
tion with the Government had been solely formed on
public ground qf principle and honour. If he heard
again of undue concessions, he should require of the
Noble Lord reviewing the charge, to look at the record.
ed proceedings of their Lordships, and to point out the
opinions which he had ever expressed inconsistently
with those which he had originally professed. Fir years
be had given kis support to the measures of an Admi-
Virkion of which he sincerely approved. Nay, he had
• more, when he haJ seen Noble Lords acquiescing
so silence in measures iespecting navigation and free
trade, he hod collie forward to state his warm appto;
bation, little thinking that this very approbation-
should 'betrtide die bads 'of a charge of changed opi-
nions ! Ile would esteem it a favour if any Notate Lord
Mho, at *pp tuff, Tight thiOlgitikcoitifuct isiconsistent
with his former principles, would point it out to the
House, make a dirett motion, and give dim as oppor-

aite ;atil; in dritGarn Levis.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a Petition from the
Corporation of Shoemakers in Dublin, praying that no alteration
should be made in the mode of electing the High Sheriff. His
Grace also presented one from Bridgewater, against the Catholic
Claims.—Laid on the table.
The Marquis of SALISBURY presented a Petition frotrilthe
Landowners of Ecclestborp, in the County of Stafford, for Agri-
-Cultural protection, and stated, that hi his opinion the distress which
had been expetknced by the country arose from the experiments
which had• lately been tried, in favour of free trade, and not from
the Corn Laws.
Lord REDESDALE said, that In the course which he was
taking, be was not actuated by a wish to opposecke present Admi-
nistration. On the contrary he had boldly avowed, when the sub-
ject was introduced by a Noble Earl, that he was is direct opposi-
del at the time with Lord Liverpool's Government, for he had
then called his measure a Bin of wrong and robbery, and said that
one of the effects of the experiment would be to make meat dear,
which had turned out to be the case.
The Petition having been laid on the table, Petitions were pre-
sented from Belfast against the Burning of Wade* Widows, and
from Hundreds in the County of Salop, against any alteration in
the Cern Lsws.
Lord KEN YON presented a Petition from the Graziers of
Romney Marsh, against the importation of Foreign WuoL
LA DARNLEY stated, that whilst the importation of Foreign
well had been of very little advantage to the manufacturers, it bad
injured the agriculturists. He had intended to ask several
s of his Majesty's. Government on that subject, but at
'Von
hour he would only say, shat he should postpone those quest
bops till after the recess, as well as the presenting of two Petitions
a a similar kind till after the holidays.—The petwen was received.
Lord SLLENBOROUGH pre tinted a Petition from the Mil.
ail of the Town of Cable, praying for protection against foreign
biligellisumioi CARBERRY presented a similar Petition from
the Islinen of Cork.
CORN LAMS.
0 The Earl of WESTMORLAND moved the Order of
the Day, for the House resolving itself into a Commit-
tee on the Corn Laws Bill. The Noble Lord took the
Opportunity of saying, that the measure had his entire
approval, he having been amongst the first to recaps--
mend its adoption. He thought that the agriculturists
and manufacturers were all equally concerned in the
success of the measure. He thought it would be dan-
gerous to rely on the uncertainty of foreign supplies.—
The Bill was founded on the principles of encouraging
internal cnhivation, and he was fully peruaded, if they
were carried into effect, this country would be enabled
to avert the dangers which existed in consequence of the
fluctuations of prices. It wan admitted on all sides
that 60s. should be about the maximum of price. He
-thought the present Bill would enable the country to
grow corn enough for its own support the approved of
the regulations which prevented foreign corn from
coming into the home avast until it reached a certain
price. This provision 'hewed the caution exercised, to
prevent toe great an influx of foreign corn, the evil ten-
dency of which no man could doubt. He conjured
their Lordships to give the Bill a fair trial, as he firmly
ibelieved it would be beneficial in its operations.
Their Lordships then went late the Committee. The first cisuse
was then agreed to.
Earl STANHOPE moved that the words Meal and Flour, as
they appeared b2the Preamble, and other parts of the Bill, should
be omitted. .
Lord Viscount GODERICH begged to naiad the Noble
Lords, that the words bad been in the original Bill from time to
time. They were not altered when the Bin rusted the House In
the years 1804, 1806,1815, and 1842. He did not think the alters-
don could be effected without very great detriment to the principles
of the 11111. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH supportedthe Amendment.
Lord H A RROWBY opposed the Amendment.
Lord MALMESBURY hoped soon to see Imbed a wheat.
growing country, and as such entitled to the prohibition asked by
'the Amendment.
I Lord REDE g before them was
SDALE thought the Bill no
totally different in its operation to the old one. He was of vial s%
the price given to the farmer (fifty-five shillings) would be tar from
a remunerating price for the farmer. The objects of the prevent
Bill could never be carried into effect without greatat danger and in-
convenience. It soldaasure which ought not taken by itself.
Their Lordships take into consideration what effect it
would have Os the article of wool. The evil might not be felt instil
a bad year had passed over. The Noble bard went over the su
hisite
grounds as on previous occasions. He concluded by giving
support to the ansembnent.
Lord CARBERRY thought that Ireland should be placed on
the same footing as linglaad with respect to the import of meal aid
Sour, and for these reasons he supported the Amendment.
Lord REFLENBOROUGH said, he was afraid many Irbil
Lords would vote for the Bill under a complete misapprehension.
He wished to guard them from the disadvantages which the present
Mil would impose upon Ireland, not may as regards oats but wheat.
Ireland was not to stand for ever exactly in the same position as at

present.
After a few words from Lord Viscithw, the Amendment was
put and negatived without a divisios.
Earl BATHURST wished the wards" at all times" to be-struck
out. The principle of the Bill was not that this country should at
all times have an unfettered supply; He contedded that no trade
could be free which was fettered by prohibitory duties. As well
might their Lordships tell him that the Pecos, which existed only
under a licence, was a free peas. He trusted the Noble Viscount
(Goderich) would support the Amendment.
Lord HARROW Is Y did not attach that importance to the
words which the Noble Lord (Bathurst) did. He believed the
omission would not be materially felt. He thought the principle
had not the object which their Lordships inferred.
Earl MALtdESUURY concurred with the Roble Lord that
the words at all times" ought to be omitted. The Noble Lard
who moved the omission had anticipated what It was his (Lord
Malmesbury's) intention to have said to their Lordships on the cob.
ject. He preferred a plain prohibition If be could prevail on the
Noble Lord opposite to give It to the country. With respect to
the other parts of the objections which bad been started to this
Bill, he thought, looking at the average prices of remuneration, that
the grower could not obtain a remunerating price for his labour
uuder au. He conjured their Lordships to look at what would be
the effect of importation under the proposed new Bill. He did not
think the measures would be effective, and intended in a future
stage of the Bill to move that the price should be 64a. He would
suggest to their Lordships in the ascending scale not to takeoff the
2s. which was at brat proposed. He might also move this as an
amendment at a future period.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, whether the proposed
Amendment was carried at not, it would have no practical effect
on the principles of the Bill. He, however, begged to differ with
the Noble Lords who seemed to think that Deland would suffer by
its adoption. With respect to the principles of prohibition,which
had been alluded to (the Noble Lord) felt bound to say, at the
very name of prohibition was pernicious tp the commerce of the
country. He preferred duties, anti thought they would have a more
beneficial effect.
Lord LAUDERDALE said, the greatest objection which he
had to the Bill was that it entertained the Bonding System. Take
away that fault, and he should be inclined to give it his support.
vitcoent 6ppioncH did not see that the introduction of the
words which the Noble Lord complained of was as absurd as hr
wished their Lordships to believe.
Lord ELLENBUILOUGH said, there existed a great difference
of opinion as to the egrets of prohibition and duty. Hr should
Vote for the ondsslon of the VfOrds" at all times," because he thought
that they Went to lay the foundatlen .1 an entirely new system of
• policy. 'use principle., of the present !fill were entirely. different
to those of 11115 and 1822. He was ready to f.ll in with a finely
graduated scale of duty, in lieu of the one now proposed. He would
even 'meter the Hid lottoducedin the year 1822.
The AltlrlidflWill was then negatived without a slivklon,andthe
original clause w.i3 agitsd to.
Lord ELLENBURtnaiii then proposed the insertion of a

—..e..attOUGH thought the proposition of the No-
ble _ (Farnham) perfectly fair, and therefore should give
him his support.
Earl sTA HOPEC agreed with the Noble Lord who thought
inething cold be fairer than to take the averages within the
Gaited Kingdoms.
Lord LA U DEED ALE spoke in favosr of ih• Proposition. as be
considered that, If the Avenge Bill should be thrown out in the
other House, all their proceedings would be emptier,.
The Earl of HA BROW BY supported the mode by which eh,
present avenges were taken. He thought the proposition of the
Noble Lord could not be carried into elect without mnteriall,
altering the peados of the Bill.
The Bishop of BATH and WELLS opposed the Bill, because it
went to throw out of culture the poor lands of the country.
The Earl of NI ALH ESBURY thought the system of averages
nit to extend to Ireland.
liMeral other clauses were then agreed to without amendment.
The Duke of WELLINGTON proposed a clause. that no corn
Imported into tide country should be taken est of bond until the
peloe rombed me Noble Duke though t this walla prevent fraud.
ARM moo remarks from Lord Gontamen, Lied Ronan, and,
lard LAVDIIIIIIALS, their Lordships divided.--Contents 78, Nen-

contents 74.
Several other dames having been agreed to without amendment
at twelve o'clock,
The Harlot kl ALMRSBURY named that the Chairman report
',regrew and ask leave to sit again, which was agreed to, and the
House then adjourned to WIDIESSIOAT neat.

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'Mahone GODERICH thought the alteration could only be
command of his' itjesty in accepting the ogee whichl
'me effect— cifectml to another stage of the Bill, If the Noble Lord persistml,
he held. he had nortorfeited any pledge or public o 'n
a a place in •'' -• to ve•hing to recognize Ireland and Scotland in the principles of
ciple on his part. He thought it unnecessary to say more. the 13411. he (Lord Godench) should feel bound to oppose such
MITIOIM suggestions.
nme time __E_trI..STANHOPE presented a Petition from 1,500 Landown- Lord ELLEN BOROUGH thought the
proposition of the No-
a .64,n1tw a steiford. we understood, against any ble Lord (Farnham) perfectly fair, and therefore should give