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THURSDAY, JANUARY 30817.

whole civilized and Christian world. The deteriorated
stare of the country the Noble Earl alai .attributed,
in a great degree, to the sudden trans:tiros from a
state of arduous and Protracted warfare to one of
wholesd peace But it was highly RI atilying
to learn,
from the
highest authority, that such Was the unim-
paired state of our resources, that it woold not be
necessary to impose any additional burthens on the
people to meet the public rape, iditure. Tillie Lord.
ahips would all feel but one sentiment as to the insidi-
ous and dangerous attempts which were made to ex-
cite sedition ; still more strongly those of abhorrence
and indignation at the atrocious outrage against the
liberty of the sehject and the principles of British
freedom, when the first of his Majesty's subjects, in.
the pc:venal exorcise to his most sacred and important
duty, had a deliberate attempt made upon his life !
(Hear, Ague 1) He sincetely hoped that every indivi-
dual would en leavour, by promoting the administra-
tion f justice, to wipe out the foul stain which thus,
a wont time, disaraced the annals of the country
(Hear, hear .1) though it was a • great •consolation to
know that the great mass of tine people were firmly,
attached to their inestimable Constitntion. Upon
v.ry point in which he could view the subject, the
Noloe Earl mast cordially supporter! the Address.
Eirl GREY felt it his paintill duty, under the
presei.t circumstances of the to 'nob to express
sone dissent from what was laid down in the Speech
trout the throne, and advanced by the two Noble
Lords who had just spoken. He dirtied from them 4
must materially as to the leading cause of the pre-
sent disastrous state of the country—of a country
oppressed with an insupportable weight of taxation.
Even wish relation to the affairs of Algiers, though
happy to bear the testimony of his approbation to the
conduct of those meritorious persons who were em. 41
ployed in it, yet he regretted that it appeared to him
no permanent security or advantage was derived from i
the measure. It was a little too much to expect any
opinion from their Lordships as to the nitrite of a
measure, respecting which they had nu :nformatiotr'
whatever, either reg trding the cause or the nature or
those hostilities which Lad taken place. With respect
to the approbation called fur relative to the war of
Nepaul, he entertained similar sentiments. It was
with surprise he saw it ende ivoured to be assimilated'
to that war which had terminated by the captor-Col
Seringapatam and the destruction of the Mysore
power. He did rut participate in that satisfaction
which the Noble Lords entertained on the prospect
held out of the continuance of peace, as he much.
doubted whether-the Measures adopted by the Execua
live government, in relation to continental politics,
would not produce the contrary s Ext. But this was
a topic, respecting which, from what had recently
occurred, some .communiciltions must be made to'
Parliament, and' which would lead to a lull discus-
sion of that important subject. He cenmred floe
system
,of policy generally adopted with regard to 1
the Continental Powers, which, tostead of tonsil.'
sting, .must tend to alienate; more especially • the'
minor Powers, and it was to that line of policy their
destructive and exclusive measures against our con-
mercial interests, which were, in point of rigour, al--
most equal to those of Napoleon himself, to be attri•
buted. The continental system of alwisteistlireatened
the most disastrous conaccpences. With respect to
France, thete were two pllin alterii 'fives, but of the
se Ministers had taken the oiost inipali tic—that which,
without diminishing her great coucentrated power,
gave rise to strong feelings of hostility on her pan,
and in a way which rendered the preservation of peace
fearfully precarious. He then adverted to the pench
ing internal situati oaf the country ; which was
certainly acknowledged to be one of very great
chutes:, a situation for whiLli, he must contend, tiq
parallel could be foUnd. He could not bring himself
to hope the presenediaresses would be of themselve
but temporary, and that a new eca of increased pros
parity was at hand. He should ill -slisch4lo his put
tic duty did he rest upon such a hope, however eati4
fidently held, without due examination as to the fotiu-;
stations upost which it rested. Were such • to be the;
result of a regular examination into the subject, it:
would greatly tend to quiet the public mind, by shew-i
ing that the assertion was not ill-founded. But he
was desirous of looking rather more deeply into this
part of the subject than the Noble Lords seemed to
do. The present situation of the lt ountry would be.
found to arise from a combination of concurrent causes,
among which he would nut deny there were some cal
a temporary nature. He believed, however, many.
were of a deeper and more permanent nature than,
ever occurred at the close of any former war, and'
must pointedlr deny that the close of the late could
ever be assimilated to the clone of the American war.,
The situation of the country was essentially different
at those periods, and in tie present greatly worse.—
In illustration of this his Lordship entered into some
calculations, particularly with respect to the financial
circumstances of the country at both periods: for'
some time al.o, after the dose of that war, the coon-
try had no regular or settled Administration; bat
shortly after Mr. Pitt was established in power, in
1784 and the two subsequent years, he was, trout the
thou more advantageous state of the country, enabled
to act in such a way as not only to raise the Revenue
considerably above- the expenditure, but to establish
a system (the Sinking Fund) for the gradual liqui-
dation of the National Debt.- Nothing like that could
be now done by the Noble Lords opposite. Ile then'
passed on to some financial calculations respecting
the present increase and expenditure of the coaster,
and contended that A most alarming deficit in reality
existed, which would be found to amount to lfl, or
even 21 tailbone. He censured the operatic* 9f the
paper eurratcy system as one of the leading causes
of the present distresses of the country, and which
had 110 long afforded an a deal resource, !Marling
the Eseceuve Government to carry into effect tee
most injurious nevestsres. The cieennataece cf the
peadiog freseb• Lean was briefly, nAiced by his'
rdslup, which he could not bat bUlieve bad some
comae:name from Ministtrsi bet in stet a eau

British interests might to be preferably attended
tn. He would ad by whit means Ministert meant
to meet the present difficulties of the country, as• it
was said the Sinking Fund was not to be touchid„
and no new taxes were to he imposed ? M to alleged
material reducthns hi the expenditure, after what bad
passed last year?
clie_cOuld allow no credit to them.
T a expect ant benefit that way, a most rigid system
of economf *as necessary, Wry different from any
thing hitherto peirsuecl. As tie were unable to raise
our funds h;gh enough for the purpose, we must re-
duce our establishments td the level of our funds :1
these mhst not exceed Sid limits of aetnal necessity.
With respect to what inn said Ono the subject of
sedition, he lamented that any notice of these at-1
tempts were introduced into the Address. No man
could feel more strongly the transactions which were
I the subject of yesterday's discustion, or could feel
more indignant at what had taken place; he rejoiced,
however, that there appeared no strong ground tel
suspect that any serious design against his Royal
Highness's life existed. He could not conceive wit it
possible advantage could be hoped by any person to
result front a proceeding of theJsind a and he could
not conceive that any heart was so malignant as to
attempt it from motives merely personal. But every
person must cordially rejoice, that the -forts of such
persons, whatever might be the object, were not sue:
cesslul. For his own part, he was as much the ob•
ject of abuse with some of these malcontents as most
pothers; but he was convinced that the carrying their
schemes into effect would produce consequences dia-
metrically opposite to what they intend—(Rearahrer.)
He agreed with what was said respecting the patience
with which the people in general bore their priva-
tions, and he trusted that nothing which had passed
would be made a ground for limiting their rights,
instead of effectually removing those evils of which
they co. justly complained; The Noble Earl con-
cluded by moving an Amendment to the Address,
to the following effect I

"'That their Lordships have seen with • the deepest concern
the continued eenharrassmests of our agricekere, inansfaetores,
I and cam/owns ; the alarming deficiency of the Revenue, and the
unexampled and increasing dbtresses of all classes of his Majes-
, ty's faithful subjeets.—That their Lordelps are wills; to in-
' the hope that these distresses may be found, in part, to have
=ken eircurns4nees of a tempsrary nature; and
illeviasloo of them may be produced by the conchae-
micesif papas; but that their Lordships should ill disr.bargit their
deity to his Royal Higlusses,
.and be golk of coutnenancine a
most decrees, delusion, were ristir to voiced from
Ida daeir opieloolbat the pressen that now weighs Sib heavily no
' the resources of the country Is mush Moire emensbne In its ape-
ration, more Mom la ha effects, were deep and award in its
causes, and mute Alia* to be rensimed, than that which has
prevailed at the termination of say former war.--'l'har their
Lordships are firmly palisaded that the saint exemplary pa-
, tienee sad fortitude witlrwileh all ranks have hitherto bona the
dilficakies wailer which they labour, will conduits to support thew
wider such bunko, as may he found indiepensilily accessary fur
the usuivuldable exigencies of the public service, but that to main-
tain this disposition, it Is incumbent on this Hasse, by a severe
and *Sent exercise of its powers, to prove to their fellow-sub-
)sea that the taerilloes widdik may,be their ',Wig dety to
lesaheoro sided, limited a the . teal Ocieseitles a tb. *mg.—
! That whileVitir Lordships acknowledge the gnicious dispositions
announced in his Royal Highness's Speech from the Throne, their
Lordships cannot help expresiing their regret dim his Royal Mph-
mess should taut have been scow advised', adopt mantra of the
most rigid economy and retrenchment, particularly with reaps ct
to our Military Establidtmeets • that lo apruptpt and effectual re-
duction in this and very whir branch of our eapenditure, we most
naturally look ,lis the first step to relieve. the sufferings and re-
dress cob grujastees of which the people so justly coniplans ; area
that to enabile‘thennehres to assist his Royal Highness P • their
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advice in ihelapileitnance of a tlutj $2 helptriouely celled fur
by the preunt striation tot the country. they will Ise no ante
to inethuung a strict *poky into the crate of the undone"

The Earl of HA RROWBY ably and strenuously
argued against the adoption of the Noble Lord's
Amendment. Were there no other objection than
their want of adequate information as to many cf
the points which it embraced, it would be sufficient
ground tor its rejection. He differed widely traml
the Noble Earl as to his comparative view al the
actual disuesses of the country. With respect to the
clo►e of the American war, every one who remem-1
bered that Period must know it was impossible to go{
beyond the deep despondency that then prevailed.—
Of this it 'told be sufficient to say, that of an in-
creased debt, which required an interest of er+.tiammo
*—..:he whole increase of the revenue applicable to that
purpose did not exceed ati1.700.000. A comparative
view of the commercial circumstances oldie country
at these different periods, he arguea, was greatly in,
layout of the present. Again, with respect to the'
public debt at those periods, in the lower. it accu-
mulated with a rapidity before unknown, and there
was no thought of laying up a portion of oar re-
sources for its gradual diminution. Nothing could
be mare unjustifiable than to say thatiaardinate taxa.
thin is the c .use of all our present difficulties j Al the
same time the various sources of national prospe-,
rity are still unimpaired, a peat dimnsution t.f
taxes had already takes place, and in future there
would be grounds for MR iorther redaction. The
policy of th. piper took; iketead of detoriorating the
country,. had enabled be smoessfully to persevere
in the late arduous and eventful cosiest, and it was
one of the means of her pre tent posirortal and impo•
sing attitude. *The good Which that system pro-
.dueed, incalculably outbalanees its partial and tem-
porary evils. Ir has realised the most beaeficial re.
suits, especially with reference to oar commercial
prosperity ; and all the onfaraorakila prsdictiva►
which were so freely advanced of k have, in the
events proved totally unfounded, as well as (thanks
to raormanca, and the spirit of the country), other
ptedietions which were hazarded in 1791.1792. He
also differed from the Noble Bari, with respect to
the Continental policy of his Majesty's Governm:nt,
and he denied that the European Powers were in the
_team aliehased from, es unfavourably inclined to-
wards this country; as. among other points, that
Pelt* by 1:011111104 comfit a British Chieftain at
the bead of their combined armies, west a great way
CO prove. Respecting the Nable Earl's remark,
touching the latter part of the Spcecb, he felt it hi►
Soty to say a few,wutds.•—As to the circumstance o
the'cidtrigt in question; they were all ca led upon
to speak in tsr its of horror and detestation ; en this,

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he trusted they all felt in common, bet his real es.
lief Was, that the attack npnn the, Orlin • of the
. Prince Regent was aimed at his lift, and, which
they concluded, from the intelligence reeehria
terday, and from the impression it made opon their
minds. There was no doubt of an inteartionli ate
tick upon the life of the King. and be had no doubt
of that of yesterday b?ing aimed at the keel' the
Prince. There had been numerous publitatiOor,
tending to excite the populace to acts of sedition and
iiolence, not only against their own Government,
but against almost every other system of regular Go-
vernment—dangerous doct'ines were broached in
different quarters, and the people seemed to be told
that much. was to be expected by the removal of a
person acting contrary to their interests. He had to
trust therefore that the consideration of that part of
the subject would be properly taken up,.aod such
steps taken as the case reqnired, especially when
su;li important considers ions were involved; as he
was satisfied that however they may differ in op::.
nion as to many of the great transactions of the times,
or respecting this or that measure, they would all
agree when they looked at the manitold and itiesti
mable blessings of the British Constitution its site
cerely panegyrizing its m. rite.
In the discussion which followed the Earl of Gans.
vmson, Lord Sr. JOHN, the Marquis WILLLISLIIN
and the Earl of DARNLAY, spoke in support ce the
Aroendmint.

The Earls of ABERDEEN and BATHUEET, and rm. .
count Stusrou Tit, argued a tainst it, and in support I
the original Address, which, on the question briars
put, was carried without a division, and the A roma-
merit cooseqi,ently lost.-1 he House then adjourned
till Frilry.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Hesse assembled at half pas one, la order N eury op, tiro
Address voted to the Prince 'sestet the preemileg day, as the
fate attempt en 60 Royal Higheetes life.
Mr. W. DUNE/AS moved, 'that the Realities, &eerie, tbe
course taken by the List& is seeding a messes to that Home
by their Clerk Assistant and Reading Clerk. to be a departure
from the established Isar, and miffing the same would sot be
drawn into a precedent, should be commotdcated to their bit*.
The motion wet agreed mind Mr. W. Nodes was instructed
to etsansualcate the same to the Lords.

Oa &emotion of the CHANCELLOR of the I.,XCHEQUIR,
the House wljouraed am o'clock.
the Speaker, shortly after two o'clock. left the. House hi pro-
eesdost. accompanied by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
all the Members present, to proceed to Carlton Home.
At five o'clock the !Louse again assembled.
IN A ILEFAIM IN PARLIAMENT.
Dud COCLIRANE, previous to the House com-
ing to any decision on the Address, in answer to the
Speech of the Prince Regent, and particularly en
that part of it which related to the late disturbances,
wished to read over so much of a Petition, which he
held in his band, as he thought would suffice to ca.
press the sentiments of those from whom it was pre-
sented, on the subject of a Reform in Parliament.
The Petition was signed, as he wos informed, hy.fifty
tie usand seven hundred inhabitanii of Bristol and its
vicinity. He then proceeded to reed part of the Pe-
titian, which set forth at some length the present dis-
tress of the country—the increase of paupers and beg-
gars—the want of emplo) merit for industry, and the
misery which resulted from this state of things.
Under such circumstances. it went on to declare,
that it wa in vain, to pretend to relieve the sufferers
by giving them soup, while half their earnings were
taken from them by the enortneus taxation under.
which t to triunity groaned, for the support of Sine.
cure Placemen, Pensioners, and an insatiable Civil
List. I'o remove the evil, it was necessary to look
to the causes of it, and, no adequate relief. be in.
sisted, could be afforded, but by a Reform in Partin
mein. While the Noble Lolli was reading. a rose
mitt: having occurred in the House, he took occasion
to call attention to the Petition now in his hand, and
declared it to be absolutely necessary that the House
should hear the erimpleints which it contained. What.
mi. sonic Gentlemen might think of the resent
aspect of our affairs, he considered the times to be
most portentous. Actuated by no feeling but the
love of his country, which had ever animated him,
he thought he did but his duty in bringing the prayer
of the Petitioners under the notice of the lime,.
and he trusted silence would be maintained while it
was being read. He was about to resume the read-
ing of it. when
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
spoke to order: He b,lieved the course taken by this
Noae Lord to be at variance with the rules and iv'..th
the practice of that House. A Member' havirg a
Petition to present, bad a t ight to state the substance
of it; it was then for the !louse to determine she-
, thee it would receive it or not ; and it received, ietvas'
afterwards read by the Clerk.
The SPEAKER said, unqnotionably the Right
lion. Gentleman was right as 'to the practice ;s1 the
Howe: The Member presenting a Petition eiad
right to state the substance, and when receivett; it
was read by the Clerk ; but, is :mitt ender, tee tlr .S.
bee had no right to read it when ;Imaging tt to
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House.
Lord COCHRANE replied, he had read pert of
it; because an description of its substance which he
could have offered would, in his opi lien, have given
a proper idea of its contents. He had 'often *tee
marked. that w!ten petitions • Were presented which
did not accord with the views of those wine weevil
the habit of voting with Ministers, it was common to
oppose the reading of them byinaking .a noise its
the House, which had frequentlCh.eii so gieat, that
sitting on that heticii he could nett hear them. Oh
presenting a petition like the present, signed by
50,700 persons, he was a:IXiOUS to cell the ettentien
of the House to the subjec. neater ofit, as he viought
it was of some importance. that they should' know
what these petitioners requited before tk,se nitablti
Pwese determined on, winch it might be propoemr to
found on that part of the Prince Regents speech to
which he had referred. He had en the present occa-
isun ettenspted to read the petition Asiteseft..becauee
had in assay
.b. Clerks (without any blanh; to them)