Star.
London, England, 1817-02-07 00:00:00

EAST filDIAt ROUSE, FEBRUARY 6.

'',:•.. THE LATE OU ['RASE.
The CRAMMAIi iMr. Reid) said, a little diffieulty
Std occurred, ill contequence of a recent event. The
Cottrt of Directors had - voted• an Address to the
Prince Regent on his providential escape from the
late attack upon his person. It had been ordered,
that..the 'Chairman and Deputy Chairman should
plitkilethe tkineVatfd it had hten intimated to them,
the Paige Regent would receive it this die st
6a pa-stelae. He (the Chairman) was. •therefote.
''ed to leave the Court, to carry up..tbielkikkesSo
„„vi iiiiiidne.Frinnd. the Deputy Chtialpene.ekls,
,
'ae Aerie Xi:cites:tutees,. he mutt beg of otec-am 0 ,
alirftWilher Directors to. act as•ChOeniita.!sad
ktpn7 Cbeirmai. • • . .
ift:•'Ebitaass wished the Chairman and Deputy
Cliiirinii to• oup *kb the Address to the Prince
Ikegent, not only as the representatives of the Cowt
01 Directors, but as theorist the Proprietors also.—
There never was an occasion on which it was more
propet chit eery loyal man should express his feel.
night and he doubted not an Address from the East
India Company, who were Alen of education, would
bebetter received than an Address signed by a parcel
of uneducated men. It it were put to the vote, he
vat confidenkevery hand would be held up in favour
xf his proposition. He therefore would move, that
the Proprietors- dineil4 be asked if it met with their
approbation I''
Mr. S. Drier 10.41te weirder. His worthy Friend
(Mr. Lowndei) bp.as justified in much of what he bad
stlid. by the litelevent,,bot he was of opinion Ibis was'
tit the moment for entertaining a motion like that
Ii
tut brought forward, though he thought there would
been impropriety in signing a declaration of the sen-
ntents of that Court on the subject before they se.
crated. .
Alter a few further observations from the two last
_

A Dusacroa said, the usual course had been, after
he Court of Directors had voted an Address to the
:leen on anr particular occasion, to call a Cow t of
'rotgietory to take the same • proposition into their

:wisisiamion.. .
It was ultimately sgreed that the COurt should
Peet, this diti; ' • . 1
• • - - . HAULYBURY COLIJEOI. '
kirs'ltexams presallord, a had bowtisa Oesuesce!
/14ii'Legislaton Of this conntiy for stlong,umer to.
. AO an anomaly which had nat•fsiled to excite
surprise and admiration of the *Odd, and .the
Italia Company, a body of reetebaati, bad been
ha through successive cenitSylea• 'the • ditililated:ol"
to et as Vapire alwitys:Oste Wt :aiw isiOlit

so immensely extended thatit could not tail•to move'
the wonder of future histmians, as' it had already
done that of contemporary 'writers. Possessed of,
this immense territory, if there was onePoiol conneb
tad with it more important than every-gib* it was
that which related to the education of those youths
whom they sent out to 'incise the authorityi
with which the Company was inceitee felt that
to quality them for the ditties they asifulol have to
ipntorm, it was proper. that evert attention should be'
paid to their education ; he meant not-Atively their
literary, but also their moral and 'political tlucation.
Before he entered into the histoty.of :the establish-,
ment, which had been formed with-a
vie* to give'
eff.:ct to ideas like those lie bad just avowed ; before
he entered into the merits of the H derisory lostitn-
lion, he thought it tig.ht to glance at some.ch the ob-
servations contained in-a pamphlet secently sent forth
by a Learned Professor connected with4t,•Mr. Mal-
thus. This Gentleman had at different periods not
held exactly the same lan*nage on Offs subject. At
the time when his letters to Lord Grenville were
written, it was plaits he Was master of the boys, but
shat bad recently fallen from hie.pen peoveg but too
clesuly that they had nose hetikehe.ehlfasesi tThim.—
He might appeal on.this:AwbOect-from Mr. Malthus
tu.Mr. Malthus; (tom Philip Drunk to Philip Sober,
in support of what lie (Mr. Jackson) should have
occasion to advance. lie denied the justice • of
the remarks which Mr. Malthus had made on
what had fallen from him (Mr. Jackson) on the
propriety of punishing the boys, and on their wear-
ing caps and gowns. Mr. Malthus had repre.
seined to have said, that those who could
not learn should be
.ffigged and made to feel the
consequences of their incapacity, and this sentiment,
he added, appeared to halite been received with loud
applause in that Count.. aid: he (Mr. Jackson) ex-
pressed such a sentiment, or had that Cow; applauded
it, he wis of opinion it would have redoond.ed little
to their credit. It had ever been tar from his wish
to punish thluse whom nature had afflicted with inabi-
lity to ..cquite learning, but when he had totted that
the young Gentlemen at Haleybury determined for
themselves what they would. and what they would
not learn, he had then said, if they . reload to
iival themselves of the opportunities open to-them
fur gaining knowledge, that in that case they
ought to be made to feel for their -negligence. He
UMt. Malthus) had thought the dres&ii used at the
niversities, to mark the different degrees of pro-
ficiency in iiterattue, ridiculous, where they could
give no such distinction. 'the question on the pro-
priety of retaining these, he thought Mr. Malthus
hinted( had-set at rest, in describing their use tohe;
to ;oaken more easy to recognize those who were
dpity of any outrage than it would otherwise be. He
nar& be ;are; sed if 'the Hertford students Allem.
selves were nut among the petitiopers for doing alify
with.the present dress; since M. .Itl4ithot had bew,
'pleisettlti say; that that costume Wfirelvillitingulshed
'the tradeia.learningin othek places,tai base Fein-
eiParly foiiidect, to, howl, the mlslies af-
-1 fordislAt. lbe detaCtioo Widawdort • -
Jackson) • had said en the subject, of , the imps and
gowns, Would not, he was inclined„tto think; be dis-
' apptoved of . by that Court, wbenliths7 hkollectei
that in-1800 they had ordered the uqtform which hid
beM adopted by their naval servanti, to be altoge-
tjtm.changed, because it bad so nearly resembled.
shit of the Royal Navy, as to give some offence to
'the ()thee'', in tie King's service. He deice:tied at
length on the motives of Lord Wellesley, in forming
an establishment in India for the education of the
Company's servants, and contrasted his regulations
with those which had latterly been adopted by the
,College Council. That Council, he contended, had
thorn the Court of all that authority and interference
what -.fogs:gird the instruction oitheir servants,
wirlith Lord .Welleilei bib eiiAli4 thedvio'exerellse.
lie showed diet Lord Wellesley' had -wired that his
plan wool4;sost the Company nothing, and thii Was
the atlsAr he,(LOrd•Welleslei) bad thong.tit!...kibi,
soff.lsoust4Cd give, 4. if he must address Rd* of
isits,l hp, :wished to- knOW ouster
tiispein popock ilsillinge, and pence, to goielfe:Cheir
In obedience to the will or thecinn-
pasn• y, tfrai distinguislied Chat:Atter; Though deeply af
.tected by the dectiain. width bad beets come to on the
question, respecting the estatilishmeot be bai folioed,
,had felt it to be his duty: fo'read, in the face of la-
menting Asia, the Decree of Abolition sent out by
;that Gout. *Hiving performed this dignified act of
robedience, the Noble Lord bad-ventured to intercede
for, the sufferers, and had 'desired that the young
' Gentlemen, who had beeh .bruught to the College
from all parts of India; might be allowed to finish
their next term; and that the tutors who had been
seduced into the service of the. Company, might be in
some degree indemnified for the sacrifices they had
made. Alit while he asked this of their justice and
humanity, the Noble Lordlacladded, he tuew what
it was to obey ; and if it Sias theii *ill, that that which
be recommended should not be granted, their 'deci-
sion should be immediately abed upon. 'flue Sub-
lime institution of Lord Wellesley was abolished;
nod three years after the Proprietbrs• were called to-
gether to take into consideration the expediency of
forming that Establishment which was the subject of
the present discussion. He thin read the Resolutions
Of the Court, in which they had gollOised themselves
the happiest effects from esublisluggin England a
urinary for the instruction of yoirthtto'be sect out to
India. He rapidly described *hat followed, and criti-
Cisesl the systeni under whith the College was at pa-
lest reghlated,'which was such, that that COurt had.
.491 power to remove one • of their own- Processors
without tbespocurrence of the Bishop of trAdint.
ak6ompletheil oa the contemptuous. en*Vnisilit
"Orbs 4 the .?.dies and Gentlemen of tht.e.edri of
"PriOrietprol.t.. had been spoken of in the piefltplifet
of
'be Learne4 Professor to which he had before' ad-
ireited. Mr. SlaAue had said et him, thin be (Or.
i)aekson) must be profoundly ignorant of thervel.jeat.
~oilhwbich be was speaking; or be woof& oot:.,bilo

llifOosid the yotreg Gentlemen now in Hertford
college, were destined to weigh teas, or mea,ure
,haltis of muslin, when the fact was; every once(' them
was intended to be i Statesman. He (Mr. Jackeon)
did not know that trade; which was the Company's
staff of existence, whi to be treated so lightlyi and he
did not think it too /ouch to assume, that all these
young Gentlemen were at once to become Magi:.
Oates and Stateamen without passing through those
gradations of service which could aline qualify them
foe higher offices. The resolution of the Court on
founding the Seminary for the instruction of their
servants in England, to which he had before referred,
and in which they had pfomised themselves the hap-
mut effects from sending them out well read in the
laws and constitution of their cohntry—that resolu-
lion, he maintained,. furnished a kufficient refutation
of the insinuations thrown out against the Court,. as
if they were not able to appreciate the importance of '
learning, sitd were desirous of sending out raw un-
educated boys to India. The resolution just men-
tioned, had been passed five years after the institu-
tion of Lord Wellesley's College, and three years
,after its abolition : he (Mr. Jackson) had indeed, on
that occasion, taken . two objections, but not on the
'expense—not on the pounds, dialing:, and pence,
which it would cod them to educate their servants,
but he had objected first to exposing them to thou
dangers and temptations which were likely to prove
fatal to both body and mind, when youths were sent
out between the ages of sixteen and nineteen to India,
and be had objected to sending them out at such an
age, before the Court had looked the question of co-
lonization in the face. It was at that period of life
that the most ardent friendships were formed, and,
not tinier quently, between the ages of sixteen and
nineteen, a still more exalted sentiment invaded the
youthful breast. From that moment. wherever the
wanderer might go, lie would only lorik forward with
hope to the period when he might revisit his native
country.' 'though his body might be borne from
Pole to.L'ule, his heart remained at home, and his
every desire:pointed to that moment when.. returned
with independence, he might be able to say to the
mistress of his affections, so Behold the proofs of my
fidelity." He strongly iosistei, that while colonization
in ihilia was discouraged. he did not mean to speak
against colonization, ter it might be well if, at the
present moment,. we could remove 100,000 'fami-
lies from this country to some genial climate. where
they might be enabled to maintain themselves
with greater ease; but this lie did say, that till the
question of Colonization laid been fairly looked in
the late, they ought not to send out youths of ax-
teen years of.age: A few months after the Results-
'Simi be had referred to had been carried, the plan was
eliengid, mid that which was to have been a school,
it' wag thought better to convert ioto a university.—
Ile acquitted every Gentleman who favoured this
cliiinge of entertaining any but the most honourable
motives. Those who advised this, had thought it
Sireuld be bitter than the school which had been pro-
posed. • They could not fereue. what would rwcos-1-
'kik could mot anticipaa those events which were
new unhappily on record. Dr. Henley had thought
he s)sould prefer a Professorship. and the plan had
beset* filtered so as to meet his views. The deities of
the'erofeisorships amounted to little more than these,
the holder: of them received ilisJo per annum—resi-
ded in very pleasant apartments—had a most boun-
toltd table to go to—aud read two lectures a week,
each ot• which might occupy ab iut two hours.—( d
latish.) When these Piotessorsliips were obtaihed,
other improvements were found to be wanting. When
the Gentleman was made a Knight, he wanted a
large, house, and when the Knight became a Lord,
he required a larger one still. Hertford Castle did
very well for their school, and this they had on lease
for awenty one Yeats; but when the Professors canter
it -Was hinnd at it would be much better that, in-
stead of a teals of the Castle. they should have a
nice freehold of theif own. The expense, it was said.
would 'be'''Citily £57,000. The College, was, then
beat; 10,, bit •4 its appendages, had coi;ohemwp,
le
iraidinf •
.. ;OW. ' 1a 1806, the estakilielpment-et.
Haleybky tall the externals of .a nuiNexOnto.bo
wanted theisieart and soul. In 18418, atlinsawettion
broke oar. so great ant so desperate, that it WS% in
the language.of the Ptotessors, outrageous, and. not
Merely an installer of insebordination. In 1809,
when the subject INS& hicideocilly brought before the
Court, when they had to discus *question concern-
ins the Military fldsuokoi.Acialiscosnb, one Muter
there had been able' so effira.inore titan all the Prefers-
sod at Haleibuty,Jor against that seminary not one
fair' coniplaint hadlieen urged.. He bad on that os.
colon ass esi if 'it were puppet thiwporentsahoulal be
hinger compelled to send their children to the hia:
leyhui y Establishment l and deelesed himself against
thit'compulsion. The Cullege,Council were bound
telapoirt the Suite of the likstablidiment twice &year,
but the construction which they had put upon this
like vi'asi that' they were not oiled upon to say any
thing ifthe conduct of the young gentlemen. They
gate accounts of the expense incurred, and of the
proficiency of the students, but did not. touch on any
other matters ii their Reports. For a time, there•
fore, every thing had appeared to be going en wed.
This indeed might perhaps still be contended. for the.
complaisant Professor bad gone so tar as to speak of
a rebellion iis ifie College as a matter of coogratula
dun. He- (Mr. Jackson) from the information lea
had received. bad .fairmeely moved a Resolution is
favour of the conduitors cruse College; but in 1810.
be had deplored the insubordination which bad pre-'
wailed, and, Ow reasernbeiedinniself, bad threatened
if such stetsie,wrre repeated; to move foe the expul-
sion of thaLmincipal actors in them, betheyarlar they
might-'woo: there was a complete rneolution—
.
'a I,ettect "ursine of the sudoirity of tile Profetwure-:
He thin tors notice of the present constitationot the
Establitherient.' At present the. Professors might ex-
pel enrstailent, and the part" expelled could only
*multi the *oishopi in a case where the construe-
cion Pit opens thc law. might be called in question.

the itudents might be expelled tor not attending
chapel—for not attending prayers—for net attend:
ing hall ; and those so expelled it was not in the
phiatr of Directors or Praptietors to restore.—.
The appellant jurisdiction was withdrawn from that
Court. I's sovereign power was taken from it, ainee
it could not chew mercy, and the atithoriay formerly
'theirs, mai no more. They were now Pt themerer
of their Piefessors, who addressed Mehl, 111 langiereei
airailar to that which they used in their pamphlets.
and took a tone oho:, it ventured up an by the Go.
tremor-GA:et:A of India, would cause him tohealioi
missed. Formerly, when a youth was appointed to
a writetship in India, while he remained in•Englaect, •
no person was so great, its his estimation, as a Ware-
ter of the East India Company. Now they were
accuitonied to view Directors and Proprietors, as
persons entitled to little or no consideratior. It was
to the Professors that they were taualit to look sip to •
for favour, for if expelled by them for not attrroli..g•
Chapel or Prayers, though the dawnings of a Wel-
lington, or the genius of a Wellesley, should begin
is appear, the youth thus degraded could never again
enter the service of the East India Company.—
(Hear, freer.)-1n eases where the youth who had .
committed . odeaCe cosh/ net be dhesietedri.
/action was made from those' who friun theii 104; •
were most to be suseected, and if' they were uhatle •
to clear themselves, .sic if they would net give up the
loffender, they were liable Lobe rusticated or expelled.
He could wish to know if the Statute which jostifsed
this mode of proceeding had CM:mated from as
English heart ? He knew of nothing that could br • •
compared to it, but the desolating laws of suave 44'
the Roman Generals, who, half ravages, halt heroes, .
preferred decimating their aoldiers. to trying them ;
because it was easier to decapit ste,every .firiath 11111,1
aban to do justice. He set forth the evil coesetuccees '
of 'rusticating the Students, and objected-to tbe pea
nishment which the Clergym s of the College had it
in their power to infl ct for irregularities,.witich seats
isf the Laity would be of opinion ought -tohe su -
~severely visited. Ha went on to stew, that by the
Report of Decettbee, 1815, it appeared the Studente•- .•
Wage incapable of :parsing the Osiental Larguagass, ‘• • •
yet the Professors were so indulgent as to perthYt
them sago out, nutwithstanding they were thui defi-
cient. This was the result of that system wh&h had
been adopted, and which had cost• the c inntry
,000. The reports made lately, since this•rab-
ject had been brought into discussion, bad been very
liar arable ; but there had bean an insurrection la
1816, and the septa' of last May stated the Students
to have made great progress in the Oriental Lan-
pages, but to have wine back in European Liu-
rature. which was not sa highly' appreciated by she
Students as formerly ; but the last crass a all, it was
said, did not wish to go back, and the greater portion
of the youths of the College were disposed to a cer-
tain extent (it did not say to what extent) to give
their attention to something or other ! The Court
was thus in effect congratulated on the total Alan-
alonment of all study at the College. • irtsema sone.,
meats brought him tcrthis quettion-A*l IheConeiri
answer the ends which the Court had proposed's()
itself from the Institution ? He thought it slat now,
from the insubordination which had pr. vAdeci, and
this, he contended, arose from the great error of put-
ting children of 15 or 16 yeas of age in the slasatia n
of men. He shewed that there hid been three in-
surrections in the list fix years, and that in 1815
there had been one transcending all-the rear, in
which the boys beat the servants of the Collt.ge, and
to such a dangerous height did the disturbance ri.r.
that The Professors thought it tater to lock themselves
in their apartments than to go out to
,tx„aastulate
with their pupils. If any proof were emoting of the
bad conduct of the Students, it would be forms in the
LearnedltProfessoi's defence of the Establishment.-
-The language he had held was this, from my
own knoulege, I eau say, the Students are more
hen from the Wirer (He was speaking of children
of asateenlearead aspv)—" of wine, won't*, gaming.
bunting, relinwand:altoeting, than the graduates
.the Univemities." He (Mr. Malthus) considered
these boys to be less addicted to wane and women
_than the graduates of the Univevii y, who were,- per-
haps. Getaleasen twenty-five years of age. Taking
this to be proved, he would still ask if the Establish-
mem had answered the purposes . which the Court
had in.- view, when it was instittiteal? He woulal
'also ask it parents were compelled to send their chil-
dren to the Universities? It was known this was not
the cote but they were forced to send them to Hen-
ionise give up the hopes of fortune winch they had
lounded on the prospect of their going to India.—
Them they were compelled to renounce if they would
nut send their sons to a place, of which ell :h it could
be said in its defence, was, that Ole Students were
more free nom the vices- jest enumerated than:.the
gradiewes sit the Universities. The Ladies and Geri-
clones of that Court,. who were sneered at Sr, thew
taking mime interest in the morals of their children,
and in the appropriation of their money. lied a eight
to complain of Make things. It he had a son; he
would send him to a public school tilt he was sixteen •
or seventeen years of age; he would then give hint
two years at the Universities, and one to scatty Orien-
tal Literature, and ire should then send him - out .1:1
accomplished man, so fixed in his morals and in his
habits, that he would be sure to git forward vetoer
than it he had been sent oat at an earlier age.—
Nearly the whole expense of the HAleyborys 'can-
blisloment, anwunting to' 18 thousand pounds an-
&malty, might be saved, by leaving parents to edu-
cate their children up to any igitten standard of pi.
ficiency, whereverabey might weltr sending there.- -
Learned Protestossetoust still be ref tined to j idge
of their Acquirements, and he knew cf none hart to
take upon themselves this task than those who were
already in theiserviceet the Conipany. The wita.e
' at the sums which he had named therefore cuuld not
be saved, as these Gentlemen must he liberally reus..-
aerated I for while he wianed the Court tai be ti
parents, he lan anxious that they should be iiba:4l

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to teaming. 'Lie money sired in this way might,:
at the present momert, be well laid out in en),argln
the military seminar? rf Addiscomb. It was esti-
mated the alterations contemplated would cost ten
t ousand pounds. Sup; .zing, every thing ineloded
they shout .1 amount to tr 20,000, here might be fiesnd
- tree ideans of meeting them. He was of (+pinta the
AddiscombSeminattenight be advantageously trans-
ferred to lialeyborY. He caudated with a most
animated appeal to the,Cuurt on the necessity of In-
ad:utile an inquiry hit.). the state of the Hertford
• r Establishment: lie then• moved his resolution,
. which proposed an inquiry Into the effant of the Col-
lege, and. recommended. that the militaty isetnivary
. at Additcomb should be transfetnedto Haleybury. in
the went of it, being determined that it would mot
be adviieahle to keep .rep the Calkte•
Mr. Duos seconded the iiiitiott, observing, that
he hoped the inquiry would be made with all that at-
tenni% which the impatience of the question required,
for unless the young men who went out Were quali-
fied by the education they received here. and were
also aware of the necessity of seboedittatia, they
would be very unit to take on themselves the com-
mands which they might think they Were entitled to.
On the final result of this affair, he slould•act in a
way that would satisfy his own mind.
Mr. CNARLEAI GRANT, sem said. that Wing partly
exhausted by the attention he had deemed it :trees-
sary to pay to the elaborate speech of the Learned
Gentleman, he should detain the. Court co longer
than he could. But he could not terrain from ad-.
vetting to several of the topics which the Learned
Gentleman had introduced, though he telt thai the
subject could not, by any means, be comprehended,
in the present day's dissuasion. In the first instance,
he must declare himself wholly against the motion
before the Court, as both the motion and the propo-
sition were *tike inimical to the institution and its
objects. The way in which the proceedings had been
caeried on was also unjust in its beginning and its
. conduct, and he did not wonder that the Court had
dismissed the subject from their papers. Such' pro-
atediug was like desiring a condemnation before a
beating had been obtained.. The only object seemed
to he to get papers toconfirm a judgnsent before the
:waterbed been beard, and it the Court passed the
reeolutions, it would do injustice to the subject, by
anniding it before the public, loaded with a halter
. about its neck, to their constituents. In his opi:
. Slop, the whole of the Honourable Gentleman's
speech was a tissue of atisrepreseetatione—(liar.)
The College was not instituted on the first sep-
;lmam of Load Wellesley': establishment. This
was countermanded in lari, though it was after-
wards resumed on a restrained scale, and existed long
• afterwards ; therefore the one at home was not shb-
*dieted for any that was suppressed in India. The
public were therefore in thus respect led into a ads-
conceptiou by the Honourable Gentleman's asser-
tions. He bad entered into a field of expatiation on
a abject which was not called for, and had con.
• sumed the whole morning in his untenable arguments.
Here the Honourable Director read a variety bt ex-
tracts containing the sentiments of the Court of Di.
rectors on the subject at a former period; and he
pave it as his own decided °partite, that the educa-
tion of the young melt should be confined chiefly to
this country. liklore Lord Wellesley went to India.
et was decreed that an Appropriate system of education
in that quarter was become necessary; so that the Di-
'gains hail not gone implicitly into the ideas that his
• lAl4llkhip sad stated in India. He denied that the
Idea of a school was ever Introduced, as relating to
the Institution in this country. It was of enature eel-
claimed to produce advantagei that no school could
effect, though nothing had been mentioned as to cal-
ling it a College; when the plan was first formed.—
. To prove this, the Hon. Gentleman read the opinion
. of the Directors 'on this subject, and inferred that
ettey never bad the ides of forming the establishment
into a school. He oelieved, that aster the appoint-
aent of Dr. Henley, the name et Collage was ad-
ded, but there was nothing incongruous iu this. A
twits competent Committee could not have been
chosen than chat which decided on the formation of
the institution. Every alteration that had been in-
. endued had had the coneuttence of the Learned

Gentleman at the time, and he naves objected to the
reposition of the college. The building at Hertfiod
was found too incoovenient for the purpcss. and it
was deemed necessary to build another.- He denied
• that it was only the counting-house for which the
it.' men ought to be qualifiedi they should also
tendered competent to fulfil say of chow greater'
functions which they had to discharge. • Wbo Moved
(said the Ploa.Directur) that spleudd establishment,
and that system of clothing inginvns and caps, which
assimilated the appearance of the rodents to those of
our tIiIiVWSitISS l Who. but the Learned Gentleman
Lima f And there was no objection against them
from any quarter at the time, much less fr.in
himself. - The; be had proved that be bad for-
gotten what passed, and when it was evident that
be bad -forgotten what bobiniself bad said and done,'
it might be assumed, that when he went merely
upon the tepreseatations of others, he might prove,
to be mistaken in a still greases degree. He had
Limed, from .what had taken place at the Initi-
alise. %bat, evi rutting bad bees going. vireos ;
yet with am or. two solitary exceptions, it appeared
ilia/every daily had AI along been going-right, He
had proposed.m.lBlo, t Vote of Thank: to the Stu-
dents, for their fond coodoet, and in 1811, he had
esteeded th;s vote, is order to inclUde the other Stu-
dents who lied slot bole. comprisetin the-first. It
was fPur years after the establishment of the Institu-
tion before any serious affair occurred at all, and this
was confined to a few of the meg ma, though the
whole College was blamed; thus they' were. as a
body. libelled and calmesiated.. Howie, they de,
served such stigmas ea hod hem passed upon them
would appear fro. what When the general result.
Since the commencement of the Establishment, to
. the tiae •f the latest report, the cumber of young
• Anse admitted had been four hundred and twenty-
seven, Of these sixteen bad been withdrawn, two
bad died. fourhad not proceeded to their destination,
one bad bees .refused bsa certificate, end was found
incompetent for an appointment, making meaty-foot
in all. Thus' after all that bad been statist to the
public, what ha been the °amber that-lad suffered
to. misconduct Only seventeen, of. whom four or
Ave bad sees restored ; so that the whole number
' who bad 'sewed by tipSasitql was only twelve, out.

04 all itto tai loco vatta in At
Of '338 tbbo hearer eui:to India, by fer.the salter
nand* kid gone-WM OpilliOln of chiracters, und-had
the credit of hetrini-414.-reat proSeivner theW
studies.' 'they. were now serving the Cron in
tle most ittipoitant stationif that could be acerssietl"
under the existing Acts of Parliament. It was it*
rematkablet that those who bad most distinguished
dwasselves at Colleges had distinguished themselves
in India, aid have obtained rapid prornation.—[The
Hon. Directeoere read the teszi moo ire of Lard Minto
infaeour of thstatentsatitkon Ju et of those gentlemen.]
Let this be tontrastedwkh the virulence that the Court
had heard this day, in otter that they might judge
whether it yes justifiable. Such testimonies ought
to be opposid tq all the bold assertions and irony.
mous tato:nein; which were not worthy of the least'
attention, and ought to be disregat ded. He then de.
tended the grand design of the Institution, and insis--
ted, that the Court had never deviated from their ori-
ginal intention of making it not a t:bool, but an esta-
blishment for liberal education : it was, them rote, the
only sort of institution that could answer the purpose.
He denied that its leading feature was instruction in
the Oriental languages, but it was intended to give
the Students all manner of information to tender
them competent to fill their situations, because, in
India, they could prosecute their studies it; the lan.
guages with more effect than at home. The Profes.
sot ship of Oriental languages bad only been engraf•
tad on the original idea, to make them more perfect
than they otherwise would have been, on first going
-out. It gave them only the elementary principle of
the languages. The Indian Institution was never
intentled to ilupply Euttisean and Classical Uteri.
tuts, which was to •be acquired in Europe. The
only question was, whether, after allowing every
thing. that could be conceded to the talents of indi-
viduals, it would be proper to entrust the important
places under tie Government of India to persons
not properly educated ? He was convinced, in his
own mind, that if the Company's servants had been
sent out, so educated at earlier periods, very many
of the political, as well as other mistakes, would
have been avoided; and now it was deemed abso-
lutely necessary to educate diem, with a view to the
particular object of qualifying them for their impor-
tant duties. As tp what bad been said respecting
the feelings of patents, they could not but be aware
that their sons must conform to the rules of the esta-
blishineut, or they would incur the risk of losing their
appoinuoinu, which was a very serious consideration;
but it was no hardship, because it was necessary.
They must be strict to the tests, or they would I
fail in their object. There was nothing more ex.
petted here than what was necessary in all other in.
Eitutionr. 'the strictness and vigour of discipline
was more likely to cause expulsion than at the Uni-
versities, where the Students had a much greater
degree of latitude. What the Professors liedalone at,
the College, had arisen from a pure mod conscientious
sense of their duty, and if they bad committed any
mistakes they ought to be viewed with indulgence.'
The Honourable Director then entered into an argu-
ment of considerable length, to prove that the Di-
rectors had framed all the Statutes for the benefit of
the Institution ; and denied that the assertion was
correct that Lord Cornwallis bad been obliged to cm-
ploy persons. out of the service, because those be-
longing to it were not competent to perlorm its du.
ties, for want of a proper education; at leapt he had,
never heard of such a fact, notwithstanding his long
residence in India. He was convinced of. the meet
pity of the youtig mess basin* a commersial and tilsie
a political education here, as Many of them sae
called upon to act the pan of statesmen jn India, by
their intercourse with the native Princes. The
Learned Gentleman had attributed all the disorder'
that had happeoed to the introduction of caps and
gowns. There never was a more disproportionate
stress laid -upon any subject than on this—(lfrar.) The
average of the age at which the Gentlemen were sera
was certainly beyond that of boyhood, being from 16
to 19. He believed that at first there was a little too
much lenity and forbearance in the Establishment,
which might have led to what had happened. Some
were careless and refractory, hecaum they did not
wish to go, to liidia, and considered that they were
scot to the College by their parents against their will,
and they not only acted improperly themselves, but
seduced others, in order that they might be expelled.
Others had the idea, that they would be sent out at
ill mots, and therefore thought they might do as
they pleased, forgetting that they might be expelled
for misconduct • and anotVer error was, that of pa.
rents putting profuse sums of moony into their hands,
which gave them every temptation to Commit India.
cretions. There was nothing of the kind that had
been asserted respecting malting the boys criminate
themselves, like turning King's evidence. They
were oily required to declare who were their conk-.
Berates, and they refused to do it, 'but stood mute ;
so that if any person bad been maimed or murdered,
there would have been no possibility of finding out
the culprit. This was what caused the Directors to
adopt a new regulation; and be was sure parents
• would nut be deterred from sending their children
there on account of the rigour of the Establishment,
as the object was important which tin y wished to
secure. With respect to the wilts of money, if the
Institution was good, it esslit to remain—if ir was
bad, is ought not to vemesn, though it alight be
attended with• no expense irtatever. He- -would,
however, maintain, in opposition to all the reports
and declamations, that the College bad in a very•
great degree answered the expectations that were
formed of it, and, in fat, teeny thing that could be
hoped for ; sad he should therefore offer the 'troop
est opposition to the =Woe that he could possibly do.
Mr. Dnore suggested that the question should be
postponed till a ftswe day, in order that it might
undergo a full discussion.
Mr. hien (the Director) -said he should have
made such a motion, it the Honoprable Gentleman
bad not anticipated him. He bad no dotibt that, On
a full discussion, the Coen would come tea full and
deliberate decision. He was of opinion that there
' had been heard that day on one side nothing but a
tissue of calumnies and accusations; mad be appealed
to the good settee of the Proprietors, whether' every
one of the parties accused should not have an oppot•-•
tunity of defending himself ? •'t •-• , • .
~ The Question was put 'and chivied' %t tite.Ques:.
tion should be resumed on this day fortnight.
After some other routine of business, the Court
a.Goutned.

•PaLLIMENT A RV 4IitOtEED2A. 'GS&
mousx Or LORDS, rfißt7 ART O.
realm MST Alfb LOAN.
Lord HOLLAND observed, that soon after the
reaioratiou of Louis XVI:I. to the Throne of France,
ft had appeared in the public papers, and was gene-
rally understood to have been the case, that a sum
of twelve millions of francs, about half a million,
had been voted by the Chtmber of Deputies to the
King. for the purpose of discharging a personal debt
due from him to the Government of this country.—
He therefore wished to be informed whether or net
that sum had been received ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that at the
moment be had no particular recollection of the sum
referred to by the Noble Lord. There were cer-
tainly a number of individual claims upon France ;
these debts were referred to a Commission, by whom
some of the claims were allowed, while cellars were
rejected.
Lord HOLLAND repeated the nature of his
question, and seemed to think it rather extraordinary
that the 'Noble Lord was not aware of the circum-
stance. He, however, wished not to be understood
as wishing to press for the payment of that sum,
though, as well as other sums due. it would be very
serviceable in the present situation of this country;
but he wished to know whether it was carried to ac.
count, or the appiication of the sum? He knew not
to what purpose the King of France might wish to
apply the twelve millions voted to him by his Cham-
ber of Deputies, but wished to have it ascertained
whether or not the sum in question had been received
by the Government of this country ?
.The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, there
were also other sums of money pending between the
respective countries, on which it would be highly
important to have satisfactory inforniation ; but what
he wished to be informed of in the present instance
was respecting a point of greater and more immediate
importance. It was a matter of public notoriety,
that negociatioas were-going forward far raising a
large sum of money in this country for the service of
France. Respecting this, he would with to know
whether or nut his Majesty's Ministers had guaran-
teed that Loan. though,: at the same time, he Could
not conceive it possible that they could do a thing so
palpably contrary to the best interests of the country
—a measure so evidently injurious. Individuals on
such occasions would naturally look to the security
they could have is an object of the highest impor.
tante. Did the Government allow itself to be con-
cerned in such a transaction, he should consider it,
in the present circumstances of the country, as' one
of the most alarming things that could take place,
not only with a view to immediate circumstances,
but in a view of prospective poi•icy. With reference
to this, he deemed it the duty of Government not
only not to countenance such a transaction, but it
should go further, and send, in the usual way, to
the Bank, and give •a regular notice that Govern-
ment would have no concern whatever in the trans-
action, and that they would not endeavour, at any
future occasion, to insist upon the repayment. This
be thought should be done by his Majesty's Gtovern-
Meat, in order to do away all, impressions that they
did' not more or less encourage the transaction.
'l'be Earl of LIVERPOOL mid, that with respect
to the,question of the Noble Earl, he.had explicitly
to declare, that not only the Government of this
Country' had cot guaranteed the 'repayment of the
Lose id a course of negotiation, but that the -British
Government in no respect were under any:obligation,
now or hereafter, or had made itself a party to the
Loan now negociating on the part of the French
Government. The transaction was entirely volun-
tary with the•parties concerned : what they did was
completely at their own risk, and they were liable to
the consequences of it. With respect to the question
of British creditors of France in other points at view,
the.cousideration was different : it would be a ques-
tion of expediency with Government in future, and
woeld depend upon the circumstances of the time,
and of which futon Governments would jtadge.—
But with respect to the Loan alluded to, lie would
repeat, the British Government were not in the small-
est degree connected, either directly or indirectly.—
He wished, however. to say a few words respecting
this circumstance in another point os view, for the
purpose of doing away any misconceptions upon the
point, and to remove false impressions which may
arise from what might be said of the transaction, or
appear in the public papers. It was said that the
French Government *ere negotiating a Loan in
London, and many conceived that to be • the mere
state of the transaction. The fact, however, was,
that the French Government, being in want of this
money for certain purposes, had applied to certain
great Capitalists, Bankers, and others, not only in
Loudon, but also in Paris. Amsterdam, Hamburgh,
and other places, for assistance. It was true that
one of the first houses in Le.ndots was i a course ill
negociation with the French Government, but they
were also in negotiation with other houses in Am-
sterdam, Paris, Frankfort. and Hamhurgh. The
Noble Lord must know the transaction must proceed
a great way upon the credit of the names of certain
houses; but what they should effect would be solely
upon their own credit, and at their own tisk. The
Noble Lord, be believed, was not long in town, or
he would have seen that no alarm existed that any
considerable sum would be so taken from London
as to have any effect upon the money markets. It
was then a misrepresentation of the facts to say; that
the sum required was negotiating in, London; it
may as well be said the Loan was negotiating in
any of the other places he had mentioned. Viewing
the subject farther, he would observe,' that if the'
A.meriesn or any other Government &tole to raise a
Loan in London, be knew of no la'w existing that
would prevent its negotiation, or conclusion, prov d-
ed the Power ecgociatin4 w•as in amity with this'
country. Neither did he believe the transaction in
question was likely to go to any client, so as to be
felt by the money market in this country.
The Bari of LAUDERDALE spoke 'in ti-
tatian. The second question or point tir.whioh
iled referred, he thought equally nessiary"
with the first .to be answered by the Noble Lord.—
He thougbt, ender the circumstances, it was-the duty
of :his Majesty's Government to make such a coin-
•risuniestioa to the bank as he bad referred to,. and'
to lm it lie explicitly known that the British Goiern-
:ment-would by to means interfere in the transaction.,

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L
The Earl'volt
of
Lta Poo, reply, observq,
that wbat the Nob el seemed to think a usual
mode of proceeding. would in fact be to do a very
unusual thing, inasmuch as it never happened beim...,
namely, to make such a communiettion to the Bark,
on such an occasion at that in question. With rde.
rence to the consideration of claims ot.-13cttHicsed:.
tors generally, 'akin) in the view in which the NoSle
Earl considered that question, it were 00-mileh to
espect from him that he should slate, orritra.iroysid
be possible for his l'itaje:4l, Government to sal w' 4
would or should he the principle to be Asel,`Med iy
future treaties or n TO6ll dons. Covert:4l;ot- shoull
be left free and tintettered, to act on future nertitieirl,
according to its own discretion, or under the eitc•:ni.
stances of the cases it would be of no ar!...ai...7e.
now to discuss these points. With respect tr•!,,e
Treaties of 1814 and 181:5, it was well ki....;
were connected a ith p. culiar cii cumstaect,, c. ;,:,
there was no reason to believe would apply to nil
occasions ; these would be considered with
to corresponding circumstances, upon which nu or..
nion could fairly be expected from him. Thera.
vernment should be left tree, and at libe:ty to net;,.
ciate according to its own view p trticula-cor.
Lord HOLLAND fusee a :ew ohservat cgs „
support of what had fallen from his Noble 1•7i.r;,,
the'Etul of Lauderdale. He seemed parrctiletl
to advert to an article in the late Treaty of Prez.%
which he thought held son a degree ut undue enc,,,v
ragement to iudividuals to vest money in French st
curities ; and with respect to wiich, he thought
ousters should acknowledge the error, atm rtt.AZ,!
their reps, and particulaily as it went to benent
Power, which though now in amity, was aiaale
considered as our rival. 'With respect to the cttiir
of the pending negotiation for a French lual,
seemed to think some more adequate explanation
should be given to:Parliament.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE avowed himsCE
of tip same opinion. What had officially trankpire:i
on the occasion, ought at least to be communicated
in that view. He then gave notice, that on Monday
next, he should move
.that copies of such oiliciai
communications as were made on the subject of tie
French loan, be laid upon the t able.

THANIts TO Tile MAtIQUIs OP HASTINGS,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL lose, according to
notice, to move the Thanks of the Huase to the
Marquis of Hastings for his condimat in the Nepaui
War. He said he should not enter at any Icrg'a
into a discussion on the objects and policy of tt:.t
war, because by the vote which he should propose to
the Governor-General and the Officers engaged in it,
he shoald not pledge their Lordships to any epinien
on the question of its justice or expediency. fic
however felt it necessary to say a word or two on'a
subject mentioned by a Noble Earl (Grey) on a til!-
mer night. That Noble Earl was completely mini
formed when he supposed that any protest had ore t
made by two Merrhers of the Supreme Crmit.l
against the commencement of hostilities. Indere !;e
was authorized in saying, that not merely did is-i
opinion prevail universally in India; but also among
the Members of the Indii Company at home as sl
the necessity of the war. If any Lord had read ti:e
papers which he had laid upon the Table, be wouti
have teen that it was not on account of an encroact-
ment merely, that we had ground of ititriplir',l
against the Nepaul Government, but that a series
,aggressions and insults, offered not only to ourstiv.:
but •to our Allies, and which therefore could n• t,
with any regard to our character,. be suffered to pat,
unnoticed, had. left us no resort but an appeal .a
arils. He nevertheless should nut propose to the
Howse the declaration of any opinion on this
and he should not have said a• word respecting it
to do away the erroneous impression which !lad t:.-
isted. As to wars in India, from the extent of t' e
territory and the peculiar circumstances under
they were carried en, they were severe in (licit tmtt
of the soldier, and called fur the greatest ability !-1
those who had the direction; and the most spitted
'exertion in the officers who were entrusted With the
execution of the plans. To the war to which their
attention was now called, this remark would p.erticu•
laxly apply. The scene of operations WAS
frontiers ut India, in a mountainous country-, Mew-
ded with mountain torts and chaias of redioliats li;e
greatest perseverance, SISaA 01 as 1114111ellt, WAS their.
tore necessary to tiring the wear to a &UCCeSSILIi eastt
He should nut enter into a. dews ut the military epe-
rations, which bad been . already before the putit:c,
but it was only necessary to reter to them to slim the
Jespeiate nature of some attacks winds had 67:•ii
made, in which, unfortunately, many brave
and distinguisliedaifficers had tatltiv.•kie should 01.1
name. General Gillespie,... The - liiitish arms had at
last over conic, and terms peace were proposed anti
I signed which adorded a sec:irity against the refieuai
01 the aggressions complained u!. After the Treaty
was signed the Nepali! Gaserintent ietesed to rarefy
it. 'the Goecrnot.sieneral had consequently no ai-
, ternative but a rein:vial of Lostilates. Alid ihusio
the R.j in of Nepaul had meantime taken every pr
caution to ensure tuceess, the contest was Stu-int.-It'd
with glory to ii.is count. y by done Mt'ailica w.; I
had been suggested by the wi_dom of the Gwier.:
General. Though terms n.ore advantagroas nisc- :
have been incisted upon, the Governor-Genera: -
played his moderation by adhering to tl.e ta,gt I
treaty. For the whole of this transaction the sli.!•
quiz tif Hastings was entitled to the thanks of C.,:
country. The Noble Earl concluded by moron !'e
Thanks of the I Loose to General the Marquii tit W.:-
tinga. Governor of India, and Commander in Ch.ef
of the Forces there, for his judicious arrangentrite
for conducting the military operations ago use Nt-
. put, which bad brought that war to a success!(
termination, and had led to the conclusion of a peat
on stir and honourable terms.
Earl GROSVENOR.—He had intended ur
troubled their Lordships at some length on the
ject of the Nopaul war, but in wimp's:ice of wit
had fallen from the Noble Secretary of hums Le
should reserve what he intended to say to anutial
opportunity. The Noble Earl then asked a cgier*:o
which was supposed to relate to transactions betweot
the Goveramegt of India and certain Natiye y7v.efs,
subsequent to the conclusion of the Nepaul War:44
the signing of the Treaty of Peace.
. The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, that M G'''.
vernment had no information on the subject ro =',l
the Noble Earl referred, it was impossible for him '37
say what events might have passed. • 11
The Motion was then agreed to; after 'eihkh.•

A sfri 1
;me vat._ to nera avid
Ind the Officers and Troops under his cowl
,Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS;
tiara o' Mr. ABERCROMBIE, there was ordered
the House an account of the Receipts at the
reiasi for Customs andExeise, Stamps and Postage*,
!unary, 1790,10 the sth January, '517, distinguish-
. Also a return of all the notices of the discoarinu.
:tares, Horses, and Servants ; of stoppfng up of Win-
ire-places, teas the tilt January, 1503, to the sth
distinguishing each year.
ISONBY, in absence o' his Noble Friend (Lord
•e notice for him of lilt tetstion, on Wednesday
the attention of the House to the minute of the
Admiralty, rtlative to the increase of salary of the
tsries ot the Admiralty •
()CO HAM wished to know whether, since the ter.
the war with the Dey of Algierf, any diminution had
the number of the Lordt. of the Admiralty ?
TLEREAGH said, It. was nut aware of any re-
number of the Lords of the Admiralty.
wNtsY wished to know how many of the formal
Treater,. fur Ireland ware at present ou the esta-.
.1 at what rate they were.paid ?
10ELLOR of theEXCHEQUERrepIied that their
,abry wa, die same as that stated in the Act of the
Parliament. •
IRE LANGTON rose to present a Petition.
ffeavers of Cloth in the counties of Wilts,
and Gloucester, complaining of the dlr.
ich they endured, and which they princi—
ibuted to the introduction of spring looms
r machinery in the manufacture of cloth,
means the fabric of it was deteriorated, and
!ter of the British manufacture injured in.
markets. He prayed the House to talus
o consideration for the purpose of affording
, But if the House should find that it was
grant them relief, then he prayed that they.
Allowed to go to a foreign land to seek the
tbsistence which they could not obtain in
, The am.Gentlem in took the opportu.
yea.king in the strongest terms in favour of-
conduct of the petitioners, and of the exam.
ience with which they submitted to the Brie.
tresses of which they now complained. It
opinion this petition, together with many
• db had already been presented, and were:
Presented to the House, ought to be submitted
c3nsideration of a Committee, and he hoped
Member of more weight in the House than
,uld move for the appointment of this CoM-
Ilke case of this most deserving class of men
, worthy the attention of a British House of
rliimentod-The Petition was then reatiand ordered
the table. •
. PriettONS EOR runniest.
COCHRANE rose for the purpose of pre-
ming a petition, signed by .30,050 of the inhubi-
tints of Manchester, praying for a radical Reform.io
Paliameut, and for the of Sinecures and
Pensions. He thought it his duty to state that he
bid read the petition, but that he could not take
,Ypon himself to be responsible that the language of
t'ir petition was such as the Hoine was likily 'to
nink to.objectiOnable. At tlie same time he thought
there was nothing in it very violent or obnoxious,
although the petitioners stated their grievances in
strong terms. Alter stating that the distresses of the
people at the present moment were such as to justify
men making' their complaints to the BMW, he took
the opportunity of mentioning 61.4 he had calcUlated.
the comparative amount of the contributions of some
r: those. who hail pot their names to-the. Sabscrin-
. gis lot the Relict of the Poor, with the annual
. 'nowt t,f the Sinecures which they held ; and it was
mid) pain that htfound that no sinecnrialesl•
paid above- a -phut! 'the pound, on the initial
amount of his salary. One Nobli* Doke bad paid
16-17ths of a farthing in the pound, on, the. in-
come which be derifed annually from his ware.
the present, be. would content himself with
that the petitiOn ihoold lebrought up, not
upon himself any -responsibility as to its con.
farther than. the' rules of the Home required
a relation to his motion. He the moved that dat.
stiiie be brought up. •
Mr. BROUGHAM *did not rims to oppose 'the
-41, but. Maki an oliservation on the conduit&
Noble I.ed in tbe Way in which he had pl4O
his motion. He *Mild ask whether the NOAH
ad not takei eisedy such Sept ao were limy
' the flimsy Irons bearing the petition read t
petition was preseAted,to tipat House tram
050 of his Majesty's subjects, that single fact was
• M induce the House to bear the petitloo
But it Certainly was not proper far the Noble
ttl to get up and volunteer information as to the
of the petition. It would have been quite'
to have- complied with the regulation, as
iced dOwn, before he moved that it should be'
If then, atter it had been read, any Member
that it contained ethic was objectionable,
vilis the proper time for entering into a discus..
upon-it. But he held it to be, quite new for any
l'ubcr, before presenting a petition, to get up and
r, that he would not be respeissible foe the coo•
of the pi tition; tor this was exactly what would
!!lost likely to induce the House not to hear the
- read k and this he presumed was not what
Noble Lind intended.
Lord COCHRA,NE—Knowin, that this petition.
• is the very some words with one wliiich the
had already rejected. be thought it necessary'
state so much to prevent any censure which he
,therwise !lave incurred by presenting such a
:" when he knew n to be in such terms.
ie petition was then brought up, and ordered to
Vshen the Clerk had read the first line, which
tits' the House ot Commons did not, 44 in any
or constitutional sense represent the people'
west lltitain,"
ld'rd CtISTLEREAGH slid he apprehended
use 11,,,;,e would be satisfied, that a peoitiou
sit set 0%4 with Slid) laaguige, was not such as
It to be read.
:d cucieRANE humbly hoped that the peti.
P.nld not be rejected for reading one line.
.1 petition was then read, and Lord Coctlitenit
that it should lie on the t able.
la•C S rLEREAGH conceired that a petition
• 'iced that this HoUse did not represent the,
it, any rational or constitutional se:..se, war not
4hich the Kiuse ought so receive:
BitouGHAm.—o It the House had farmed
7,nion from the wordi of the Noble 1,411 4.1 who
'll Vl4t ti,e PtAitiiiii should. nit read; it mishit have
tut the Petilkod was die whigh' ought so b.:

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rejected. But it turilid out, wher it 'Sr rea,l4..tt
it was not in the game wards with that which had
'.been rejected. The objectionable 'past•age was one
which related to the debates of the lio'use, and which
described them as long, tedious; and disgusting:—.
The words animadverted uron by the Noble Lord
(Castlereagh), though not introduced into the Peti-
tion in a very advocate-like manner, was the very
statement which, in substance, must be made by every
man who maintains the necessity of Parliamentary
Reform. They did not deny that Parliam-ut as.
sumed the representation of the People of England.
They did not deny to the House the legal attributes
of Representatives—they only said that right reason
and the Constitution required one mode of represen•
tation, and that the Mode which was followed wad
not that which they conceived t• be right Suppose
the objection of the Noble Lord well founded, and
the words rational and rotutitutiln zl left net, then he
(Mr. Brougham) would say, that the Petition was
still Worse, anl would in that che be trio oSj,•e•
tionable ; for it would then state broadly that the
House of Commons did rt,.t represent the People."
Tar CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU E. R.—
" The I..n..tutge oh this Petition was boat, that he
did not s.e how the House, consistently with its own
dignity, could consent to allow it to iie on the t‘ble.
The Petition which wits rejected the other night was
not rejected merely en account of the words quoted
by the Honourable and Le trned Gentleman (Mr.
Breugham,) but because it was filled with libellous
and insulting passages; and the Petition now in goes-
:ion seemed to him to be exactly of the same kind. I
He begged the Clerk to read one pass spin it which
he had marked."

Here the Clerk read the passage, which was nearly I
as follows:44 In all your diocuss:ons which your
Petitioners have read, they can see sought but what
is likely to close the unrelenting lash of taxation to
be laid on to the utmost degree of human endurance."
Lord COCHRANE, with reference to the passage
which had just been read, could only say, that he
conceived it to be true that the misery now suffered
by the lower classes of society had got to the utM,ost
extent of human endurance. He could only say with
respect to what had fallen from his Honourahle and
Learned Frieod (Mr. prougham) that when he read
this Petition, be conceived it to be in exactly the
Same language with that which the House had re-
jected ; and that not intending. to 'press upon the
House what they had already rejected, he. thyught it
his duty is preface his motion with the statement
which he had made; and that nothing which was
said or cl.ine within or without these w would
prevent him from acting up to What he conceived -to
be his duty.
Mr. CURWEN thought the, House ought to go
to the most extreme length to receive the petitions of
the people in times of such distiess as the present,•
and th it obey ought to be very indulgent as to the
language used by' the petitioners. ' When they sp.
prbached the House for redress, they s:ievred practi-
cally . that they admitted that they considered its
Members as the legal represettatives of the people.
When a petition many years ago was presented to the
• itipie, in which it was stated that seats in it were
openly
,s lid as cattle in Smithfield mai ket,'•
even Mr. Pitt said that it would be better for the
.House to reteiee than to reject it% He 'woad be
'very Sorry that it;shinitd bs rejected, becaute br 10
jeering it be. thosiglat :they would snie• the. cause
of those who wished to .16tioh the rople- •At .the
same time he felt-(tittrianguage'uf die p.,:ition
very objectionable. • , • • . • '
Sir J. SEARIGHT-i-iNe titan war mom sensible
than himself of the distreseevendured •by-ther people
but he saw no reason why their Petitiois to the House
thould not '.be framed in:impectiullanguage. He
bad often Wondered
,that the:UMW bad conseated to
receive many Petitions which- had been laid upon
their table. For his etirripart, he shoild alwayS vote
against receiving any Petal:go, the langu age of "which
bras insulting and disrespectful. He knew that there
were. cam of men now trying to have the Petitions,
framed in such language as would make the House
reject them, The cause-of reform and retrenchment
was one which be septa altrays advocate; but hz
saw no Memo why the Members of that House should,
in their colleited state, content to put up with lan.,
guage which no man singly weuld endure; and there-1
'webs should vets against, allowing this Petition to
remain on the table.
Mr. LOCKHART observed, that precedents fur 1
Petitions teemed to be handed about the country, as,
many of those which had been presented were in
erectly the same language; they were the work of a
few individtails, and therefore they were in point of
fact a meins of preventing the House froni knowing
the ientiatedts of the people. Tne House, in die..'
charge oh the duty which,it owed to itself and to the
countryotougid to reject this Petition.
Sir FRANCIS BIJRDETT contended. that the
circumstances of similaiity between many Petitions
otjgbt'uot to militate agaitist the attention due by the
House to the complaints or, remlnstrances of the
,people. It Might happen that the great Mini 01 SO-
defy. iocapatitated by their numbers from embody•
otie.aet their sentiments, or doubtful of their
own powers, 'might assent to the dietatiOn of some
individual, id whom they may have McAllen ,; yet
lstill the Petition, if isikhenticated by their signatures,
htea*aa M all intents and purposes, their own Pen.
(ion, and as inch ought mbe estimated. The mode
of vestalit became the ant pint of consideration ;
and on this be Mead obserie, that salmi the len-
guagelleiteOrtetiong indeed, and evinced an evi•
Ideal inialalislia of insulting. the. House/ they should
Weary ientionaldw they rejected it.
• Lord C.OCfiIIANS said. that he should not have
IlexProsia4„eey Opinioit upon the language of the Peti.;
donuts preleassog its but he thought it due to the
House, afire "Nut herf.occurred on • a preceding
Might, to smart the alt the passages to whieb Objec-
tions mote then raised, bed,been eipunged. He re-
vincula! the Noble Lord or the Right Hanetirable
Gentleman, so slate sperrifically avhai pans ill the
Petition displeased thoem.LlNesivhrrr). '
No answer coati made to ,this. and the Haute- di- •
eidede-For2he Petition, 17—Against it. S )-waMajn•;
rity. att-v-The Pe?i.inn was therefore rejected.
Lord COCHRANE iiid, he hid another Petition
to priticat from Macclesfield; which was couched in
diettiein terms from the last. .anti in Which tie knew
of corning ufenskie. -This Pc' ticilTl. was brought up
apd raid. ftitat than the" Messe.diti not stitirreiently.
represinSS the and prayed, with Alt becoming

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•• a• 3,- .4 •I . •••.,
bcregotkit; the 110840 "meld take Ibis Waled loho
',heir considerttftin, Its the primary'cense sat alithe
public 'sufferings: It etreonintenderl annul
silents, and complained of the high price of
of the general distresses of ttade. at the weight
of taxation, the falling tiff of commerce, the large
standing army, and particularly of the Corn 'Bill of
last Session, which ft characterised as a -Measure car-
ried against the opin;ons of the whole nation. It
prayed the House to expel from it sill placemen, pen-
stoners, and Sinecurists, according to theipitir taf the
Constitntion.—Ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. J. smrrii presented a Petitiod from the In.
habitants of the Town of Nottingharn, praying for
Reform and Annual Parliaments; and for Retrench-
ment, and a similar Petition frOth the lnhab:.tants of
the Parish of &emir. in the Caenity of Notaingham.
They were both read, and ordereJ to die on the table.
P ItNC..I. %NM
Mr. G REN FE L moved, that there be laid on
the l4bif 4:1 ICC. 11•1( oh the did' rent periods at which
the Ctiarer of the Bank of England was renewed
since the hist ;0 int, specitying the number of years
lot which each renewal was made. He was induced
to make this motion in consequence of an increase in
the market price of Bulk Stoc4, 10 per cent. since
yesterday morn .rig, In...king a :se altogether of 1:5
per cent, within toe course of ten days, caused br a
rumour, very prevatent in the City, that it was the
intention of the Chanceillr of the Escheqoer to renew
the Charter of the Bonk of England for ever, re-
ceiving, as a bribe from the Bank, means for ineetins
the supply f the curreat year. (Neer.) Tne
mour was 0t.6 which he found it impossible to credit.
There remained unexpired five years of the Com-
pany's Charter, and he could not believe that it should
enter into the contemplation of Ministe:s stn far to.
anticipate the resources of the country, or the dis.
cussion on the priipr;e:y of so serious a measure -.-
1 Pie rumour was altogether a g, t.; libel on his Ma-
•je ty's Mhisters. The qireiti•in nei•ig put
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that ;Jo objucrion eluld be made to the pro- -
duction of this paper; but if• information, not; were
wanting by the Honourable Gentleman, he' might
have obtained it by referring to the Acts of Peilia.7
ment. If,- however, it were rem' hjs object-t ecrb.
taiga information on the subject to which: he bad RV;
luded, he would ass: re the Honourable Mem.her,
that he knew of the circumstance but by.the Bulk'
rum"ur of the City.—(Hear, Azar).
Mr. Mesa's° spoke to the same purpose, and
after a few lords Isom Mr. GRENITLL, the paperi
were ordered.

APPoINTmirr rot Mn. iirtiftitg. •
Mr. BENNE r gar: claire Hirt 1w would,
,un an early dar,
submit a motiuti to the House relstier to the apiitAnttnent of Mr.
Harlot*.

. TIiANIF:S Tr, Tilt M.411(414 OF.IIASTINGS.
Mr. CANNING.-0, In rising to call the attention
of the Houie in the Iste transaceioas of our army in.
Indfa,anslan acknowledge with iratitude the exertions
of those who dime so' n,:bly distbigaished themselves,
I am well aware of the difficult e. I have to encounter
in the comparison that may be instituted between
them and those more brilliant achievements by.which '
tinr imaginations have been so king dazzled. l am
aware texts distance operates to diminish, and fismi•
amity to obscure, what might otherwise excite our
admiration and interest. I Ic4ovr to wh it a d !pee
objects nearer home, involving not the fate of dissint
colonies bin oar own national existence, have absorbed
'hair schniratiou and gratityde, which in other times,,
'4l* antler other eircuuitillices.- nitght.bate been die-
pitched more freely, and circa it..d more extensively ;
but with all the disadvantage of these comparisons,'
I feel it incumbent on myself, and no less on the House;
when their attention is invited to such 'Objects. not to
I pass slightingly over our affairs in India. Justi:is is
neither local nor comparative, and pratitude is the
soldier's due, no matter under what climate or what
circumstances he shall hive fouht her battles.—
Wherever it is his chance to encounter her enemies,
he must still exercise los Inst efforts—still hoar nut
all the energies of his mind old body—,and as his va.
lour is at all times the subj •ct of our admiration, so
must h.s trium, H be the theme of our gratitnoe
(Hear, hear.) Perhaps no part of the British domi.
mutts more seriously demands the fulfilment of this
duty of Parliament, than our Indian possessions, not
only by the exertions of the British troops, as from
the consideration of our having there another army;
st ending in very pechliar rslatlons to this country...
(Hear, hear,), and we should, therefore, rather seek
for means tit proving our acknowledgment for their
services, th ut receive such occasions, when they pre-
sent themselves, with fastidions difficulty. Wit should
likewise manifest that this House directs a watchful
eye to those distant territories, and that we are as
ready to bestow our praise when it is merited, as to
interpose with firmness and vireur when our interpo-
sition beco.nys necessary. rhe state of Nepimuh,
with which the late glorious war in India had been
waged, is one of such Modern roe th, that rein)
Gentlemen n iw pfesOnt, are pi uhably unacquainted
with its geographical eituaticin—it certaittli was,
until very lately, unknown to myself--(Harr, hear.)
Its power has within .a very short. period grown to '
an extraordinary Magnitude by aggressions on all the
neighbouring countries, and was br its situation pecu-
liarly calculated to render the British territories inse-
cure: It bordered bur frontier to an extent of 700
miles, with an exception in one point of about 60
miles, arid was by its Constitution. and the theory of
its Government, kilned to be a conquering Power.
Its principle was aggreision, and in pursuance of this
principle, it was too generally successful, until at
length, by its strength and character, it became what
was mast dangerous to our possessions, a kind of ral-
lying point.for,shose, if such unhappily ',fitted, who,
were desitotts of opposing' the British trisect. in India.
It was also the ;illy HinAlo Power si hich had not I.
bowed its neck to the blaho tied:in conquest, and to
'.ihose who are acquainted with the effects of that con-
quest, the importance of such a char icier Most he ;
mailitest, for. the triumph o' hlahrwrit r anima has been
al ways. 'tumid to. p t4e the way foi-:Eornertan itsersi., i
Jane,. Thit*Piiarre of the Nepaules- State kis not
existed iblvti,hilljoirnatry 141 was in the year -176791'
that this o'lltt,ti,grat
.breanse acquainted. with it and
Ms strength, when. on tbe application of one of the
Rajahs, itijs red by itkaggressionsi tit. Governinent
or Ilinibay dispatched some troops to repel 'hens,'
and were toropktoly defeated in the attetnr..— '
lit GonseVecie-cf this i f
to.s.tuttnir, the impression of '
British power was less on the mind of the t-l'l''rk•ths '
than of way other Indian State, and commit lig th.is

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a shper plappowd, !Ind abtorbing many
St,os, they lit length aCqfiired
' wriOlti not only rieril-the.iritiski hati
tioiit local and .Mtieal ciresulsittnimi eire to. IfY • .
danger it.--C rite Right Hon. Gentleman than enter-
ed into hisonicil proofs of the restless character of
the Mephitic, acid slated; that their aggressions were
directed for a ermine:able time against the br itish
possessions.)--the Marquis of Hastings was deter-
mined to repel them, and the measures he adopted
lir that purpose were in direct conhirthity with the
orders, almost at the stale moment dispatched from
this totifory.—(Heer Aerri.)—lt will niat be etpected
thit I should .give a detailed account; of a military
campaign, 'and eteri torte I atiequite to Stich a task;
the Maisii might 04 the staterhent Miiattresting
aril owlets floor want of autPi tp iscertaia the
positions. oar` Of sHamiliarity witp the names; bat
this I ro ly sfate, at the principle that influenced :he
lee!*duct ot Cie war, dm it was intended to dctest
from the Gook th I)(4er:hi new iequisitions; ertiioet
contemplating any ad to the Britoil' kir-wire
except where on aleet:ll of rrsoirino the domi-
nions to their f wool- posressort. It so happened
that the campaign to-mowed, leavtr..g one-third of
the Coo:kali territory in our puisir,,lios, the rest
being restored to the rightful orness, and even in
some instances to the vt•ry persons who were ecttially
despoiled by the present Itaj th.—(liter, AW T.)
Among the names of thisse gallant Chiefs., v..h,Sse
etertidtis crowned this treat enter-Rite with suc-
cess, Sir David OchterloitY, G.netai Gilleipie, and
'Colonel Nichols, are the most conifieu (hear;
Osie of the first enterprises of the war was theattrisk
on a' fortress, Which I con wore easily pronounce,
and the Hearse more readily remember, thin 'many
other names in the campaign; I.speak of tho.for!rea
of Kalunga, and this it was the fate-•of Cenral
Oillespie to Warm, • ras'ily.it baa.'bren:a43;ibut his
rashness was compeniatedhy his touroie end conduct;
'and atoned byhis death. :1-1c fell siCtily fighting;
[and' Ate .glory of. ieductog.:Kalungw•remaised td
Colonel Nichols. •i' the enhte'extenliverritlitary Op&
unions againiv.the tiOrtip4 tyke ofthe. enemy, Sir
Vavid Ochterlonf cirithplcieli'socreeded,:and when
iii.'o4ssi;ssion of one thirlof -the.. Goos kali.' territory,
the trims of accommodation • Were • irranted, No
doubt seMained. that 'the war.;wak it aft end what
,i4iddenly contmeneed. on the part of the
lattili; silo. refused .to rainy the lleaty, and Si*
parldbcirierlooy.was in full 'Mardi on his eapiin
ijand within a few Miles of it, when he was stop
hiu fun for it was felt by tbe .Goeernot•
Giweraf the Ilte.power of the enemy was sofficientlf
'nipples', and his forces sufficiently reduced; to jut.
lily the termination of the war, which, if preiteetedi
-roua be • attended with a siasteful expenditure of
blood. Suits was the course pursued Ify the Cover-
not General in the field and in Council; and by stiei
means was a dangerous riv :I reduced to a state of
peace, in which he shield no lon,,er JistorboUr seed.;
our, nor what is Still more important, hold out anY
hopes to the disC inteutedad hiding in him an active
and formidable leader. Pitt the moment oflriumph
evinced dot moderation, and the Lot rots of wefWerti
not aggravated by ambition or revetige —(11i ar.j.,:s
tins short statement I fed myseil justified ill
proposing the Thanks of this Hoot- to thoot tai
gnashed peruses. who conducted ihr war ; but while I
have itisaCiusly avoided every attempt tti estapterate
their services. 1 am ritually unwilling to slimin;sh
their lustre or /WU: sualsgsbett•
;tlib wearily of ottr dominions in the %frau% future
aggression—they have :aim, Vie chartcter of on!
artni, and, by confirming the itoutoo or triiish
prowess, have insured the continuance of our ascen-
dancy. I shall concladr owing—
" That the Thanks of ails Basic be rarer! to General 'he
Margot dt WM*, K.G. Gorerene-General of India, for hit
jutheitkut sei•Ang,nieo s of the Milia, y Muttons apioot the 5tp...."
,uf Nipaul, by which the war wth tuueight tr.' a happy ronehrtlon,
land year. rgablished upon scree and itonourithlo foundations.'
Lord MORN!: I H secooded the motion:
Mr, B Kt./IIi:H.IM (11,1 iita siitendsto Opfose, by
any ottani, the vine of thanks to thelloh:e•MArquit;
alfloitigh he had heatil that a diversity of opinion
existed witn rectiect to some cif the me, pres.pairsued
by the Nable M iiqiiis.• Under these; Circumstances,
he should have the ught. it not inerinsistent with the
respect due to Pathirselit, that Ministers should hate
giv'n the House togas by preseht;i:g pa.
peril upon the subject tor its perils 11. (Mai, hear.)
The difference of o;,itoon, as to the policy and con-
duit of the war, to •which he alluded, existed in a
quarter well known tia that House and the Jodi'
Board. Mr. folttionstone and Mr. DowJeswell's
names *ere familiar to all persons conversant with
Indian alters ; one had Ite:n at the held at the min.
tart', the othet at the head of the civil department,
during a splendid career of successes, and able adfni.
nistration of our affairs in that part of the world, not to
be equalled in the history of India, or of our colonies.
lie alluded to the distinguished periad of the Mar-flail
Wellesley's administration. He. howeiter, ehald not
bat feel it a duty particularly gratifying to the Ho„ .e
to return Thanks to the gallant and ineritorioos Of-
ficers and Soldiers concerned in the operations of that
campaign. Yet evi.n here lie could not bat regret
that latterly a set of arrangements had been made bf.,
the institution of the new 'Order Of the' bith. Ai it
WAS at piesent constituted.' hi
.rfgretted to find-that
all Officers in the East. India seistre who bad .not
attuned ihe rank of Mijor are erclerdetl by positive
regulations from becom ng Members of that Or.
der, as settles all 01fit•ets engaged in :ain't pre.
iiou( to the present war. There was an exe?tiort
to the first role in savour of . such Captains as had
been appointed Captains in the field. from the sir-
comstance of their superior having fallen in action.
By these arrangements it would be seen, that most of
the officers erg teed in that par; of the Indian cam.
-paigns, which were pre.erninently distinguished for
the most briiiiait and splendid services'; these im-
mortal trophies which had hid the foundatioa of the
security and permanency of onr'lndiao ,r.tah:i;h•
ITTellt tiscirtiehich, in MP, h:tdi under the con'
d ;act of the MatataisWAleals r. coreplatriy trier .to xn
the pt r
.01 'hi 4tlktt Myr et ails %end •dangerszas '
e .enty of the ea tn.°. ttit, entostry,.iXtaspoit i&sib•-•
these merit diottS 0/4'cm-were, not wititstand.m; .sn^h
g uhlant es rbits,. oteehided it oq. Übe. pdy AT&T of
merit now kris. .va to our. ns heavy estabrishmenr.
dente it arose., that the time o! seri/ice neeeswitilp
required to become 3 Major it other/branches of our
army.might be taken at about sire' star% while an
officer in the Eastern service abuts' not be digit),
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