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London, England, 1820-10-23 00:00:00

OCTOBER 23, 1820.

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Did you see it afterwards ip possession of Bergami?—Yes.
What were the letters on the box?--M...J. meaning Maximi-
lian Joseph.
Was there any Crown upon it?—No. •
Do you remember being at any time at the Barona with per
Royal Highness?—Yes.
How long were you there when her Royal Highness was
residing there?—You must mention the particular time, for I
was there often. •
• I mean at the time when the balls were given ?—I believe
abouesit weeks.
Was that the time of the Carnival?—Yes.
Do you kiiow for whose amusement these balls were given ?
They were given for the amusement of the suite of her Royal
Highness, now her Majesty. •
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How many persons might ordinarily attend these balls?---It
is difficult for me to state precisely ; there Might be about 50,
—Did that include the whole company--the suite as well as
die visitors .
Do you recollect whether any of the neighbouring Gentry
attended these balls occasionally?—Of the neighbourhood there
cause the family of the tenant.
Of the Barone faun?—Yes. • • - -
Did the father and mother come with the eidiiresjaabsi
were theta conetantly. ,
Did you eitr see the Prefect Tomasini thentitrAfis.
The Baron Cavalrtiel-...Yee.
Any Clerical Gentleman P—The Curate of the Barona. -
Did her Royal Highnets 'entertain company at dinner on
these occasions?--Frequently. •
Were the families of Tomasini and Csvalelte there on these
occsiong?—Many times.
Their wives?—Yes:
Their daughters ?—I don't think the daughters were.
After dinner did her Royal Highness and company go into
the room where the dancing was going on ?—Yes, in the
evening.
Did they remain any length of tisne?—They went round the
room and then withdrew to another room to play. ,
To play at cards ?—To play at carCa, chess, and sometimes,
the piano.
• After leaving the dancing room did 'the servants and visitors
continue to amuse themselves ?—The servants The servants
did not join the ball at first; therefore they corld not continue.
They came in after her Royal Highness withdrew.
Did her Royal Highness occasionally join in the dance?—She
came to the ball-reone and sometimes she danced.
lkscribe the conduct of the persons collected tan these occa-
sions ?—lt was Most regular.
Did you ever see anything indecent or improper in the con-,
duct of these persons on those occasions ?—Never. •
You have said that you went on the German tour with her
Royal Highness ; wen you at Carlsruhe with her Royal High-
ness ?—1 was.
Do you remember on what day you arrived. at that place ?
—Yes.
Mention the day?—lt was the 28th March.
In what year ?—I believe it was in 1818.
At what time of the day did you arrive ?—About mid-day.
Do you remember where you dined on the day,of your ar-
rival?—] recollect perfectly.
Where was it?—At the 'Mary-seine's.
Was the Princess there?—Yes.--.—Was Bergand?—Yes.—.o—
Was the Countess Oldi?—Yes.
Where did you sup on that first day ?—At the Grand Duke's.
Do you remember whether Baron Dende was Chamberlain
to the Grand DueeT—l remember perfectly.
Do you remember where,you dined on the second day ?
Yes, at the Grand Duke's.
Did her Royal Highness dine there ?—Yes.
And Berge:mil—Yes.
And the Countess of Oldi?—Yes.
Did Bergami and the Countess Oldi remain there the whole
afternoon ?--No.
What did they do?—Bergami complained of a head-ache, and
asked his sister to accompany him to the Inn.
At what time of the evening was that?—About five o'clock.
Did her Royal Highness leave the Grand Duke's at that
time ? No, she remained with the Grand Duchess.
Did you remain also?-1 did.
Del you come away with the Princess?—l
At what time ?—Late in the evening.
What was done at the-Grand Duke's after Bergami and the
Countess Oldi went home?—Among other things they sang.
Did you yourself sing ?—Yes, with the Grand Duchess.
On the third day where did her Royal Highness dine ?—At
the Margravine's.
Were you present at that dinner ?—Yes.
How was the Princess employed that evening?—We went to
the Theatre, and then to sup with the Grand Duke.
Were her Royal Highness and suite at the dinner and at the
play ?—Yes.
On the fourth day, did they remain at Carlsruhe, or go any
where else?—We went to Paden.
How far is Baden front Carlsruhe ?—I should think about
four hours' ride.
On the day after you went to Baden, wh'ere did you dine?—
At the Margravine's.
Did her Royal Highness and suite sleep at Baden on the night
you speak oft—On the day she set out she slept at Baden.
On the following day, when you dined at the Margravine's,
how did you spend the day ?—ln amusement ; in society.
At what time did you return ?—about ten o'clock.
On the following day what did you do?—.l think we dined at
the Grand Duke's. In the morning we set out, after taking a
little refreshment.
In the course of the journey do you remember going from
Charnitz to Inspruck, about passports, with 13ergami?—Yes.
At what time did you set out?—After twelve o'clock—after
dinner.
About what time did you return to Charnitz?—Between two
and three in the morning. '
To what room did you go?—To the room of her Royal
Highness.
Where was she at the time?--Sitting on the bed—half lying.
Was she dressed or undressed ?—Covered with a shawl.
Was anybody with her ?—Yes, Bergami, the Count Schiavini,
and the Countess Oldi afterwards came out of her room.
What room?—The room of the Countess Oldi, which joined
that of her Royal Highness.
Did you see Victorine that morning ?—Yes, sitting on the
bed of her Royal Highness.
Was she sitting with her Royal Highness on the bed when
you returned from Inspruele?—Yes: I saw Mademoiselle De
Mont there ; she was dressed.
Did any Officer from the Police arrive the morning you ar-
rived ?—A few moments after our return • I spoke to him, and'
I returned to the room of her Royal Highness often.
How came you to return often ?—First to give an account of
who had arrived ; to give an account of the weather ; and lastly,
that they were clearing the toad from the seow.
Did her Royal Highness make preparations for setting out?—
' Yes : we remained up all night.
Did you see others of the suite of her Royal Highness there ?
—Yes.
Were there beds at the Inn for all the suite ?—Yes, below and
in the corridor, near the room of her Royal Highness.
Did you see Bergami?—Many times.
Did you see hint undressed?—Never.
Where did you see him?—]n the kitchen, on the stain, at
the door, and in the room of her Royal Highness. -
Do you remember her having been at `Trieste?—Yes.
How Ipng did she stay there ?7-A day and a half.
To what place did you go froin Triesie ?—To Venice.
Were you ever at Rome with her Royal Highness?—Yes.
Do you remember at the time when-she went from Rome to
Senegeglia?—Yes, very well.
Ilow long did the journey last P—About three days
In what carriage did she travel?—ln an English landaulet.
Who travelled with her ?—The Countess Oldi, Bergami, and
Victorine.
Who travelled as courier to her Royal Highness from Rome
to Seue6aglia?—l've seen Carlo Forte as courier. .
Did you see Sacchi in that journey as courier?—No.
Ilum long had Carlo Forte been in the service,of her Royal


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-Higltneu?-11e began the service In Italy, at Rome ; but from
Milan he began at Loretto.
' State the occasion on which Carlo Forte was provisionally
hired at Loretto?—As Forte was acquainted with the city of
Rome, being a Roman, he was sent with_the dispatch.
Was Sieehia'courier in her Royal Highness's seryke?—Yes.
Was he not sent to Rome with dispatches?-Not that'l know of.
Do you recollect any circumstance that prevented him from
being sent ?—1 believe they spared him because he was tired.
kdon't know so, but I believe it.
I-lad the; Queen or Bergami any padopanellets?—No. .
`.Had any Of the suite any such carriage?—l believe Louis Ber-
finitad vine; '
-Descrille kin& to she springs ?—lt is a carriage which cannot
contain more than one person. It is without springs.'
Did you ever see_her Royal Ilighness ride in such a carriage
as that ?—Never. .
Have you ever seen any dances performed by a person of the
name of Mahomet ?-1-es, frequently.
Did you cit.; see*.it in the presence of the Princess ?:-.Sotlits-
times, I believe, she saw it from the window.
Did Mahonsettto intythrrig indecent with his dress?—No ; k
was a mast simple dance, and nothing indecent. '
When the, Princess was at Pesaro, did she visit and receive
the skits le persons of rank?-,-She received all the perusal of
con/idea st ' •Pm,r- 0... , . . . .
i In you remember the Legate?—Very much.
Was he very frequently at the ?—At one time very fee.
quently.--Did he pay a visit of some dais?—]es.
What was his name?—Glandolfo.
Is he a Cardinal ?—Legate.
Do you remember the Marquis Andalgi ?—I know the Mir-
quis and his two brothers.
1)o any of them hold any office?—Two hold employtbents,
one does not. .
Is one of them a Prefect ?—No. .
Were these persons in the habit of visiting her Royal
,ness ?—Very frequently • almost every day. Web. I
Did any of them hold any office under Government?—Yes,
the Marquis Andalgi.
What office did he hold?--He was Head of the Commune.
Did Rergami visit at their house ?--Yes.
' Was he received by persons of distinction when in the set vice
of her Royal Highness ?—I know it.
Was he so received ?.-1 have said he was.
Have you been on such occasions with Bergami?-Many times.
r 4 as her Royal Highness in the frequent habits of intercourse
with • persons of rank at Rome ?—With the first Nobility at
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. times that you have seen the Princess and Ber-
igamit er, did you ever witness the slightest impropriety in
Ddille,
' their con t with each other ?-.-Never. - - ....
How long have. you served in the Army?-From 1805 will&
Have.you the honour to wear any Orders ?—Yes, I was ko.',
noured with the Order of tie Iron Crown, on my return from
the Russian campaign.
Cross-smathuvl by She ArrosNer-Gmmukt. i
What rank did yob hold when you first entered Into the
Army in 1805?-.I was of the Guard of Honour of the Vice.
roy of Italy.
Do you mean is a common soldier?—When I say a Guafd, I
mean a simple soldier of the Guard of Honour. • I
What Guard of Honour?—The Guard of Honour of the
King of Italy. 1
'When were you first in the company of her Royal Highness?'
—At the country-house of General Pino.
About what time ?—After her Majesty retuned from her'
long voyage.
In what year?—l.belleve in 1817.
Now often did you-see the Princess before she invited you to
accompany her to Turin?—l saw her at Terrano, at the house
of General Pit" and at the Villa d'Eate.
And were you in her company only three times before she
invited you to go with her to Turin ?—I do not say I only saw
her three times, but at three places. I saw her Royal Highness.,
several times. I
Who invited you to go with her Royal Highness?—Herself.
Where ?—At the Barone.
I think ybu say you were sub-equerry when Toil first entered
the service of her Royal Highness. What salary did you re.
calve ?—Nothing.
What salary had you as equerry?—Two hundred Louis
per year.
How long did you act as Sub-Equerry ?—Until we arrived at
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When was that?—l believe in 1818.
When was it you quitted the service of her Royal Highness?
I did not leave her Royal Highness ; I received a letter of dis-
missal at St. Omer's.
Do you mean to say, that from the time you entered the ser-
vice of her Royal I-highness, to your receiving letters of dis-
missal at St. Omer's, you never left.her?—i set out from CO.
prini to Milan, and was absent a whole year ou the affairs of
my own family.
When did you set out from the Villa Caprini to Blilan ?-

The day after we reached Caprini.
Where did yott rejoin the Princess, after being a year at Mi-
lan ?—I did not leave the service of her Royal Highness. I
went to Milan with dispatches, and was recalled to the Villa
Vittoria by a letter.
I believe the Villa Vittoria is near Pesaro?—Yes.
When did you join the Princess at the Villa Vittoria?-In 1819.
And you remained with her until she came to St. Omer's?—
Yes.
You have said, that when the Princess was at Munich, Ber-
gami dined at the King's table. Did he dine there more than
once ?—He did.
How often ?—I cannot tell.
How long were you at Alunleh?—l believe 10 or 15 days.
Where did the Princesi dine the first day you were at Mu-
nich?—At the Inn.
Where the second day?—With the King.
Where did she pass the evening ?—I cannot say.
Where did she dine the third day ?—I cannot precisely say
where she dined every day.
Where did she spend the evening of the third day?--I can-
not say.
Where did she dine the fourth day ?—I have said that I can-
not fix where she dined precisely every day.
Where did she pass tke evening of the fourth day ?—Some
evenings she spent at the Inn, some at the Princess Beauharnois.
I cannot lizseach evening precisely.
How often did she dine with the King ?—With the King, I
, believe, twice; and at the same table with the King twice more.
Where did you go from Munich ?—I believe to Nuremberg.'
How long were you at Nuremberg ?—I believe two days.
Where did you go from Nuremberg ?—I cannot say precisely.
Now long were you on that tour ?—I should suppose three
months.
How many days were yon at Carisruhe?—Front the 25th to
the 30th of March.
How many days ?—Six days inclusively, including the day
we arrived and the day we set out.
What time of the day did you arrive at Carleruhe?—ln the
evening.
How far is the inn at Carisruhe from the Grand Duke's
palace ?—I cannot tell.
How far is the Margravine's palace front the inn?—Nearer
than the palace of the Grand Duke.
Wi)at hour did you dine at at Carisruhe ?—About three.
How long did you set at table ?—About an hour and a half.
At what hour did the Theatres and the evening parties begin ?
—At different hours.
What time did the 'Theatre begin?—At half-past five or six

o'clock. '
What time did the evening parties or
No fixed hour.
Generally'—Half-past seven or eight o'clock.
Where did you dine at Carlsruhe the first day?---With the
Margravine.
Was Bergami there P—Yes.
Arc you quite sure he dined there the first day 7—Yes.
Where did he dine the second day P—At the Grand Duke's.
Will you swear that Bergami dined there 2.--Yes, (with much
emphasis).

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T.,1 liergami dine with the Priucess every day at Carla:idle?
Wh:t day, after your arrival at Carlsruhe, was Berzand
taken ill ?--1 in the second day.
At what time of the (lay was Bet gami taken ?—Soon after
diluter.

Ilow soon ?—Prot* half-past four to five o'clock.,
..vas he ahle to rejoin the company of her Royal High.
ness?—Wh• n we returned home.

At what time dal you return ?—I believe, between half-past
seven and eight. •
Whet makes you recollect so precisely where you dined every
day at Carlaruhe, when you don't recollect where yob dined at
Aluuich ?—A man may recollect one thing, and not another.
Am Ito understand you to say., that when you returned with
Bergand to Chlrni.z, it was between throe and four o'clock in
the morning—was it an?—Yes.
At what time that morning did you set out from Charnitz ?
—About day-break.
What was the hour?—Between six and seven. • ,
What month was it ?—.l know it was very cold; it vras
during the winter ; but I do not recollect the precise month.
Was it broad day-light when you set out ?—lt was neither
broad day-light nor the contrary ; it was .at day-break.
Then It was not broad day-light?—l have said it was about,
day.break ; we could see very well.
What preparations were they making for the journey at Char-.
nitz ?—Persons were employed to clear away the snow. •
Rut what seer* the preparations making at the Inn, in which
the suite were employed ?—I have not said that they were making.
preparations, but that preparations were making. I meant the -
cle4ting.away of the snow.
After your return from Inspruck, did you sit up the whole
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night ? yes.
Woat were you.ahout all the time?—l have said I went often
backwards and forwards into the room of her Royal Highness.
Ilaw many times did you go into the room of her Royale
High vess ? Many times; I am not able to mention the pre,:
case number.

Fui what purpose did you go in?—Sometimes to give her
something to eat ; sometimes to mention about the weather;

sometimes to trawillize her mind about clearing away the,
snow, because she Wis anxious to set out immediately.
Did
.y.. 0 carry her something to eat ?—No, but I tntered the,
room when the servants carried her something to eat.
At what time was that ?—lt must have been about twe or
six ; it. was shortly before we set out, and we set out abate...
Where did you see Lergaini in the course of that morning?..!.
In many places.
What was he doing cannot tell exactly.
I understood you to say that you were doing nothing; that
the suite were making no preparatillts at Charnitz ?—lies • but
persons cannot be at their case when they have to attend on a
personage of the quality of her Royal Highness.
I low far is it from Charnitz to lubpruck?—Do you mean the
distance in miles, or in regard to the time of travelling?
In miles ?—ln miles: I don't know.
How long were you in going from Charnitz to Inspruck?—.
About four or live hours.
When you returned to Charnitz, about four or five in the
morning, was you not, much fatigued ?—For a man who bas
performed campaigns, it was not possible to be fatigued with
such a journey.
Will you swear that you did not sleep before you resumed
your journry?—l will swear it.
Did you never lie down for the purpose of rest?—Never for
a moment. • •
Did Bergami repose at all after his return from Inspruck

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I did not see hint rect. • .
Were the carriages unloaded at Charnitz?—No.
How many carriages accompanied-her Royal Highness when
she went hem Rome to Senegagba?—Four.
When did her*Royal Ilighr-ess set out?—.About ten o'clock

at night.
Was the weather very hot ?—,Not during the night; but very
hot during the day.
Who were in the first carriage?—her Royal Highness, the
Countess Oldi, M. Bergami, and the, child Victorine.
Who were in the second ?—I believe Mr..Hownam, Mac4t-
moiielles De-Mont and Brunet.
Who were in the third ?—William Austin and myself, With
my own servant on the box of the canine.
Who was in the fourth ?—I believe they were servants.
Was Louis Bergami on that journey?—No.
Was Camera?-1 believe not.
Who were the servants who were in the fourth carnage?—
If I do not deceive myself, Solyman, the Tutk, an upper ie.-
vant, and another, whose name I forget.
Where did you stop on the second night of that journey?—l
believe at Locera.
I.)o you remember any person being sent on from Foligno to
order horses at •Locera?—l do not.
Do you remember sleeping at Fann?—Yes.
- How long did you sleep ?—Ati hour or two; I cannot say
precisely.

Do you remember seeing the Theatre at Fano 7—l saw it,
at not with her ltoyaf Highness.
Did you visit some friend of your own when at Fano 7-I did.
Did you not desire Forte to apprise that friend that you were
coming and would see him ?—Yes.
Did not Forte set oat before you to fano, to apprise your
friend that you were coming?-4 believe he arrived a few ail-
notes before.
That is no answer to my question. I ask you whether you
did not, at the preceding stage, desire Forte to go forward-and
apprise your friend at Fano that you were coming ?—No, I did
not order Forte to go forward to tell my friend, but I told him
if he should arrive before us, he was to tell my friend I was
coming.
(Carlo Forte, in his evidence, said, that at the last half-mile
of every stage, he always rode forward to announce the ap-
proach of her Royal Highness).
• Do you remember seeing Sacchi at Fano?—No.
Will you swear you did not?—l swear it.
1)o you know a place called Terni ?—Yes.
Do you remember stopping there on your way to Senegaglia,
and taking any refresliments?—Ye..
Will you Swear that Sacchi di,l not serve these.rafraaininen. ts ?
swear that I do not remember that he did.
Will you swear that, in the course of that journey,, Tau did
not see Sacchi ?—I swear that I do not. remember,
,baving
seen him.
Did the Countess Oldi always travel in the cakrhto Witt her
Royal Highness on that journey?— Always.
Do you knew a person of the. name of Matti?—l do..
Was he on that journt•y
In which carriage did he travel?—On the box of that in
which Air. llownam was.
You have spoke about the balls at the Baratta. Was the
Baron Cavalelti, you have mentioned, in the service of her
Royal Highness ?—No.
I)o you know a person of the name of Antonghia?—l do.
Were his daughters at the balls?—Yes.
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What is Antongiel ?—IIe is a tenant of the Barons.
Besides Tomasiva and Cavalelti, do you remember the names
of any other persons of rank who attended these ballsl-1
Professor hlochetti and the Curate of the Barons. I don't re-
member any others.
You say there was dancing there ;. did you dance with the
rest ? Yes.
Dial you ever see the daughters of Antongina in any room but
the dancing-room ?—Never ; nor any other of the females.
Did her Royal highness use to dance with these persons ?
Sometimes—generally. :
Where was your family when you were at the DUCtlii?—At
Milan.
Were they at the Balls?—None of them had been,presented
to her Royal Highness.
Do you know the wife of Berganii?—lies.
Wu she ever at these Wile—Never-
When did you last see Bergamil—Last month, coming from
Rome, at the tine Returni.
Anywhere else?—l saisrikatals• at Milans.—not at the Vslla
d'Este.
I Were you frequently with Wiibl--Yes. • * in" „,,,

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,6112 f a,kb Qeneral Pine P—Wlth die General I was alone.
phi you flpply to OW one to come, as a witness, over here ?
They offered to come over.
Did you undertake to indemnify any person who should come
over?—lt is not my character.
That is not an answer.--The question was repeated.
No. The only thing done was by the Advocate, Henry.
Have you made no agreement with any persons to come here
to pay them ?—I have made no agreement. I have executed an
agreement made by Mr. Henry.
How many agreenlents have you executed at the request of
Mr.'llenry, and of what kind ?—The agreement is ten livres per
day for their support during their absence ; a franc a day to each
of their wives, and half a franc a day to each of their children.
This agreement has been made because the passport would not be
granted without an arrangement fur the support of the families.
Have you not agreed to pay any witness for coming over?
--I have not agreed to pay—Mr. Gemanili, the head master,
said, when we were coming, that he suffered damages, the Ad-
vocate Henry, stated thatehe English laws granted indemnifi-
cation for what they might lose in their absence ; they conse-
quently requested Ratti to make an account what the loss
might be. This was done on a stamped paper, and fixed at 5000
ducats of Milan. According to this account, made by the Ad-
vocate Henry, I have made good the money to the headmaster.
Have you not given money to a person to be a witness?—
Never to he a witness. I have, by the order of the Advocate,
given a small sum upon account. Such a thing I have explained
to all the witnesses.
By whom were you employed to give this money to witnesses ?
—The Advocate Henry requested me. I have been three times
in England : first, when her Royal Highness was at Geneva ; the
second time, when she was at Paris. After I had left her at St.
Omer's, I came in six or seven weeks to England. I was sent
for by her Majesty. The second time Iwas here eight or nine days.
Did you not go to collect witnesses for her Royal Highness
there ?—1 was sent to Milan, to render it easy to those who
might wish to come for her Royal highness. I saw 40 or 50 there.
What salary have you from her Majesty ?—None. I have a
pension, the same I had when I was iu her service, about 210
Louis-4800 or .5000 francs.
Where does your family live now?—That of my father ai
Milan ; of my wife at Sabiunniere's Hotel, in London ; I live
at the latter place. I have not paid the account. I believe,
being here as a witness for her Majesty, she will pay.
Have you received any money here?—Never ; I have not
been paid for the journey. I do not travel without money.
To go to Milan 1 received £lOO from Kr. Coutts.
Who gave you the order to receive it 7—The Queen.
Did you not also take a letter of credit with yew?—No.
I received from Marietti, by order of Mr. Henry, 2,000 livres
of Milan, at Milan ; and I received 100 Napoleons at Venice.
I went to Venice with Mr. Wood, to acquire some knowledge
of a person it was necessary to know. I went from Pesaro to
Rome with Mr. Wood. I have a fortune, property of my own,
besides my pension.—Here the cross-examination ceased.
The witness underwent an examination by the Peers, but
nothing appeared, in the slightest degree calculated to shake his
testimony.
Mr. 13xouness then rose and addressed the House to the fol-
lowing effect :—" My Lords, before your Lordships retire, I
wish to call your attention for a few moments to the peculiar cir-
cumstances in which we, her Majesty's Counsel, are placed.
We now find ourselves under the necessity of appealing to yotir
justice, and to which we trust, we shall not appeal in vain.—
It will be in the recollection of your Lordships, that in an early
stage of this defence we called on a person who had been sent
over to Carlsruhe for a witness, not only of high rank and cha-
racter, hut a witness the most important in the defenCe of the
Queen—a witness who would shew, what he alone could shew,
that her Majesty was not the person described, as of low habits,
associating with vulgar persons, and skulking from every one of
rank and respectability. This witness, my Lords, would prove,
that so far from this being the case, her Majesty after returning
from her long journey went to Germany, visited her blood rela-
tions, and there' and eat in Italy, she desired to fix her abode !
A Palace was tahen for her, and she had no other wish than to
live and die in the midst of her kindred ! My Lords, I conceive
this evidence, if I had been possessed of it, complete, decisive,
plenary, and not leaving one stone to be removed from the struc-
ture of perjured accusation that has been raised against her
Majesty. It now fulls to my duty to complain that this
witness is still withheld from us. I acquit his Majesty's Govern-
ment of all blame, for they have done their duty. The Minister
of this Country applied at the Court of the Grand Duke of
Baden for the Baton D'Ende, Chamberlain to the Grand Duke,
to come over as a witness for her Majesty. N. Berstett, the
Alinister of the Grand Duke, at length, told the Cheptherlain
that he was not refused permission to come, but that he had
no power whatever to enforce him ! and yet this very M.
Barstett compelled Barbara Kress to come here as a wit-
ness against her Majesty !—Then a letter of permission is given
to Baron D'Ende, and he, by nature a very worthy man, but by
profession a Chamberlain ! and, knowing the feelings of the Court
of Baden better than we do, falls ill of a malady never before
heard of, at the very moment,when his services were most wanted.
It would almost seem as if Rastelli's illness had passed from
Alilan to Baden, on purpose to visit this worthy Chamberlain,
who now finds himself so very ill, that a long, long period will
be necessary for his recovery. This faithful Chamberlain,
like a good courtier, falls ill most opportunely for one side of
the qui ition, and no doubt he has his reason, but most unfortu-
nately for the Queen, who feels herself now and for ever de-
prived of this most important witness. My Lords, I throw my-
self on your Lordships with entire confidence that the Court
will give due weight to this statement, and•will not proceed
upon the new and monstrous principle, that a person accused of
nine or ten chat ges, and who has refuted seven or eight of them,
though prevented by unavoidable circumstances from giving a
complete answer to the rest, is still, for the first time since jus-
tice was known in our Courts, to be held guilty !
Counsel were then ordered to withdraw.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, his Majesty's Ministers
were particularly anxious that the Queen should possess' all
their influence in assisting her with witnesses. lie had this
morning received dispatches, with the contents of which he im-
mediately made her Majesty's Counsel acquainted. Copies of these
dispatches and other documents, connected with the subject, he
would now move to be laid on the table, arid they would
shew that everything had been done by his Majesty's Ministers
to enforce the attendance of the witness Baron d Ende. No-
thing more remains for me but to lay the Papers upon the
table ; what operation they may have upon the whole case here-
after, it is not for me to determine. The Papers have been
printed, and will be ready for delivery in a few hours.°
The L4)ltI) CHANCELLOR moved that the House do
now adjourn.
The Arromutv-Greweaet, however, presented himself to the
notice of the House, and, amidst many cries of " Places, Order,
order," asked what course the Counsel for her Majesty now''
intended to pursue?
Mr. Baoricuest replied, " I thought it my duty to give the
explanation I have afforded why we did not proceea with more
evidence to-day. I shall take till the next meetiug of the Court
to consider what course the Counsel fur her Majesty must pur-
sue."—Adjourned at a quarter before four o'clock.
• lur a copy of the Correspondence see thefuurth page.

LORDS' PROTEST AGAINST THE SECRET COMMITTEE.
DISSENTIENT.
134.cwrze this Resolution appears to be inconsistent with the
principles upon which ill Courts refuse to compel the production
of any part of th.., confidential col respondence of professional
persons, employed confidentially as such, in the matters to
which the coriespondence relates.
Because no particular circumstances in this case appear to be
sufficient to authorise cur not aelhering to thu rules of proceed-
ing founded on those principles.
Because, therefore, this Resolution, if acted upon as a prece-
dent, may dangerously affect the administration of justice.
' Eldon, Chan. Stamford and War- Mayo
f.t.:eensberry rington Gray
ltous Lansdale Forbes
Montagu Huntingdon Stuart, of Castle
Somers Mansfield Stuart
Faraham - Redesdale Coventry
Northampton Meldrum William
Limerick Pomfret Cornwallis
Saltesford Falmouth Aylesbury
lioui,las and Loch- Abingdon Chatham
• leven Northwick Powis
Buckingham Barris CaNcart
Ki::gston Weisinghans Strange
Orford Napier Exmouth
7.‘laccl.nfield Clinton Richniond
Kenyon Carrington Suffield
Dishy Loftus Broke and Warwick
Shaftesbury Btimoie Winchester.

LONDON.

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THE QUEEN.

am MIIPMI

In every circle, the question now is, What will be
the next steps in this most amazing Trial? amazing
in every point of view, whether we look at the nature
of the charges, at the rank and virtues of the Person-
age accused, at the Prosecutor, or No-prosecutor,
who carries on the suit, at the manner in which the
a:tion has been got up, at the agency employed in
fa'aricating evidence and suborning witnesses, at
the contradictions, the infamous and base charac-
ters of the witnesses that have given evidence against
the QUEEN ; or whether we look at the very opposite
character of those by whom their testimony has been
torn up by the roots, at the manner in which her
MAJESTY'S defence has been conducted, and that too
in spite of all the impediments thrown in the way of
the defence.—But still the Question remains, What
will now be done in consequence of the facts stated by
Mr. BeouotrAtr, and vouched for by Ministers, re-
specting the non-appearance of Baron d'Erroz, the
Grand Chamberlain of, the Duke of BADEN, whose
testimony would have tended to remove the only
dirty shreds that remain of the whole paraphernalia
that was prepared for the decoration of the QUEEN of
ENGLAND by certain conservators of public morals?
In another part of our Paper will be found a copy
of the Correspondence respecting this Baron d'ENDE,
and his lamentable indisposition, laid before the House
by the Earl of LIVERPOOL, after Mr. BROUGHAM'S
statement had been made respecting the difficulties
which this detention of evidence threw in the way of
her Majesty's Counsel. And let us observe, before
quitting this topic, that it will be seen by the Corres-
pondence, that the compliment paid to Ministers by
Mr. BnouttAst, appears to have been really well
merited.

As we write our leading article while waiting for
communications from our Reporters who attend the
House, we can, at this moment, only grope at the line
of conduct likely to.be adopted in the present cir-
cumstances of the trial ; or, rather, we shall content
ourselves for the present with stating what rumour
brings us from the Higher Circles—leaving to time
to ascertain whether well or ill founded. And the
rumours which are current in the circles alluded to,
are indeed mo portentous in some of their particulars.

In the first place, it is said to be the intention of
Ministers speedily to put a termination to the pre-
sent Bill—the evidence not being deemed sufficient
to warrant its being pressed through the second
reading : or rather the evidence in support of the
Bill having been proved completely infamous, by the
opposing evidence on the part of her MAJESTY.
In the second place, notwithstanding the evidence
not being found sufficient for the support of this Bill,
it is reported, that another Bill will be introduced
into the House of Commons, calculated, in some
of its clauses, to mortify her MAJESTY; at least
so we should construe it, and so will all the world,
if the particulars be true which have reached us
respecting it.
The intended Bill will, ostensibly, be for providing
a suitable maintenance for her MAJESTY the QUEEN
Consort of ENGLAND, by settling upon her MAJESTY
an adequate annuity for supporting an Establish-
ment becoming her high rank and dignity ; but it is
understood to be intended to set forth in the pream-
ble,—that her MAJESTY not having demeaned her-
self, on all occasions, in a manner suitable to her
high rank and station, it is deemed advisable to de-
prive her MAJESTY of all her power and patronage
as Queen Consort, and, of course the Bill will con-
tain enacting clauses to that effect.

. We mention the fact as it has been stated to us,
but the latter part is, in every point of view, so mon-
strous, that we cannot bring ourselves to believe that
Ministers can possibly have such an object in con-
templation. To assert that they have such an inten-
tion, would, we think, be a libel on their understand-
ing and character ; for such a preamble to any Bill,
or any such enactments, after the evidence that has
been produced, would be a gross libel against her
MAJESTY, and we cannot believe that even Lord
CASTLEREAGU would
it,ake upon himself the respon-
sibility of having advi,ed such a measure, or brought
such a Bill into Parliament.
If any can be found among the enemies of the
QUEEN who can either ads ise or sanction a measure
like this, they must still be in dead sleep. May
HEAVEN avert such a fresh calamity from the in-
sulted QUEEN—the insulted People of England.-.
England will not suffer her QUEEN to be thus libelled.
England demands, and wills to have " Substantial

Jilstice" in everything that respects her much- injared
QuinN.
EIGHTEENTH DAY OF THE DEIENCE.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
This day the LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the
Woolsack a fcvr 'minutes before ten o'clock. Prayers were thee
read, and the li‘t called over in the usual manner.

-The Earl of HARROWBY brought up the Report of the
Secret Committee appointed to examine Joust ALLAN Pownu.
respecting the mission of Rasta to Milan, and to verify the
extracts from the correspondence of Mr. Powers with Colonel
Boom, on the subject.
The Report stated, that in pursuance of the direction of their
Lordships, the Committee bad met, and called up Mr. Powell,
who said, that the Extracts be had presented to the House con-
tained the whole that passed between lim and Colonel Brown
on this subject, and that they had verified and compared these
Extracts with the originals, and found them to be correct.
The Extracts divided tbenuelves into two heads. First, the
Letters between Colonel Brown and Mr. Powell, upto the 14th
of September last. Secondly, the Correspondence that had sub-
sequently passed between them. It appeared that as early as
the 4th of July, Colonel Brown wrote to Mr. Powell, and stated
the great alarm that prevailed In Italy relative to the mal-treat-
ment of the witnesses against the Queen, en their landing at
Dover ; and he recommended that letters from all the witnesses
to their friends should be immediately forwarded to Milan by
a courier.

Colonel Brown made similar representations, in letters of the
10th, 14th, and 18th of the same month, and also on the 4th of
'August, in the last of which he said the alarm had increased
considerably in consequence of the non-arrival of letters. In
several ether letters of a subsequent date, Colonel Brown urged
the necessity of immediately sending a courier with the letters
from the witnesses, as the attack on them at Dover had been
much exaggerated, it being reported in Italy that Rasteill him-
self had lost an eye, that Sacchi had been killed, and that all the
other witnesses had been much injured. Colonel Brown further
stated, that these reports prevented other witnesses from coming
to England, although they had previously agreed to do so. -
That part of the correspondence which relates to Rastelli be-
ing selected to carry the dispatches, was not given by Mr. Pewit:,
as he stated it might prdudice the Inquiry now pending.
Mr. Powiu., in a letter to Colonel Baows, dated the 13th of

September, says, " I send Rotelli, and hope he will be of set--
vice to you, but he must be back here by the 3d of October. I
doubt not but you find much difficulty in getting witnesses to
come over, but hope you will exert yourself." In a letter of
the 14th of September, Mr. POWIILL says, " Rastelli takes let-
ters from all the witnesses, and I hope he will soon return with
the Papers with which I send him to get verified, and with the
other witnesses.

Colonel Brown, in. a letter to Mr. Powell, states the arrival of
RasteUi, and expresses his regret that he is obliged to return.—
In two letters from the Colonel, dated the Ist and 2d of Octo-
ber, be states that RastAll is ill of a fever.
Mr. Powell, ins letter to Colonel Brows, dated October $,
says, he is sorry to find that RastelU is not able to come back ;
and that if he bad bad any doubt of his return at the time, he
would not havy sent him. _ That the Attorney-General desired

that Colonel Brown should leave no means unemployed to hasten
the return of Rastelli.

Ina letter from Colonel Brown to Mr. Powell, dated the
4th of October be says, Rastelli is still confined to his bed. I
have not seen him since the day of his arrival, and the day after.
I learn, however, that he is so ill that he will net be able to re-
turn in less than three weeks.

The Earl of HARROWBY moved that the Report be re-
ceived.—Agreed to.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved that the Papers pre.
sented by Mr. Powell to the Secret Committee be up
and returned to him. _ _

Counsel were called in at kalf-past ten o'clock.
Me. Bliotionass--My Lords, we wish, with permission of the
House, to call back Mademoiselle De Mont.
The Soucrres-GaNzzat said, he was afraid some mistake had
occurred with respect to De Mont, who could not immediately
attend. Mr. Vizard, the Solicitor for her Majesty, had in-
formed Mr. Maule that De Mont would not be wanted until
twelve o'clock. A messenger, however, had been sent off, and
that witness would be produced as soon as possible.
_ _

Mr. BROUGHAM intimated that the mistake was of no import-
ance, except merely as it affected the convenience of their Lord-
ships. He should, in the interval, take the opportunity to request
that their Lordships would accept as evidence a document which
had considerable effect upon the charges against her Majesty, more
especially with reference to the notoriety of the conduct ascribed to
her. Taeir Lordships would be pleased to recollect, that it was
said, in the preamble of the Bill, that her Majesty not only had
comluct d is.trself with the grossest Impropriety abroad, but alio
that a g: eat scandal and dishonour had been brought upon his
Majesty's family and kingdom, by the scandalous publicity of her
behaviour; and that the measure had been brought forward to
evince the just regard ritertalned for the dignity of the Crown.
Consequently, it was by this open conduct that her Majesty de-
graded the dignity of the Crown. ft was by bringing her own
conduct into contempt and derision in the eyes of foreign na-
tions. " I hold in my hand (said he) papers which will give the
lie to this part of the preamble, by chewing the good report, and '
high general estimation in which her Royal Highness the Prin-
cess of Wales was held by foreign nations. I have here the
Austrian Gazette, published at Trieste, which states that her
Royal Highness the Princess of 'Wales, a Princess of splendid
rank, arrived at Trieste on the iSth day of April, at twelve
o'clock in the day, and that she went to the Opera, splendidly
attired and attended; that she left Trieste next day at five
o'clock, accompanied by every demonstration of respect, &c. Ste.
I am ready to shew your Lordships, by foreign prints, if your
Lordships will consent to receive foreign prints as evidence, a
species of proof not, I admit, considered in the Courts below as
conclusive, but certainly furnishing prima facie testimony of the
groundlessness of that part of the preamble." .
The ATTOSNIM-GI4IEiIAL submitted, that foreign newspapers
could not be received as. evidence • and he must censure his
Learned Friend for having produced so inadmissible a species of
proof. He begged to know in what manner his proposition
would have been received by their Lordships and the Learned I,
Counsel for the Gbieen, if he had produced, amongst his ether
evidence, a bundle of newspapers to substantiate the charges?
The otierroa-Graimias. said, it was palpable that Mr.
Brougham's object in offering this sort of evidence, which he
well knew could not be ;dullard, was to make an impression
upon their Lordships' minds, in opposition to the evidence which
had been legally given before the House. He (the Solicitor-
General) did not know what impression the very blameable
conduct of his Learned Friend in reading the statement to their
Lordships would make, but the motive was obvious,
Mr. Baouratsx.—" I am ready to admit, and I have already
admitted, that this paper could not be received as evidence in
the Courts of Justice; but we are not here as we would be in the
Courts i 1 Justice. If we were defending this case in the
Courts •low, we would have a high privilege, which is
here denied to us. I might challenge the Jury ! I might
shut . the doors of the Court upon those who were disquali-
fied from sitting in the box, by the circumstance of having
• acted as Grand Jurors; and, what is of most importance to the
ends of justice, / nugAt prevent those who were actives prorogues
frogs sitting as Judges ! Of all those privileges I am now stripped.
. If your Lordships will allow me hereafter tb avail myself of
these advantages, to which it is absurd to say I am not entitled,
I shall then certainly confine myself to that sort of evidence
wfiich is strictly legal. If my Learned Friends will say to me
that they will henceforward conduct this prosecution as they
• `would be compelled to conduct it in a Court of Justice, and at
once allow me to challenge the Jurors that surround me, I shall
abandon every eapedient, except that which can admit of no
dispute in point of legal admissibility. The production of this
. paper, which I hold In my hand, is certainly an anomaly, but it
is an anomaly arising from that extraordinary anomaly which
' placed the prosecutors of her Majesty upon the Bench to in-
, luence and decide."

The House seemed to feel this sudden explanation, and
The LORI) CHASCRLLOR said, In a very low tope.—

Mr. lhongitam, ! have it in command from their Lordship.
to inform you that the paper cannot be received as e►idence '
'—(4 &VV.
RIM DIPLOMA OF THE ORDER OF BT.CAROLINE.

Lord LAUDERDALE said, be understood that Mr. How.
natal was in waiting, in obedience to the order of the House,
With his Diploma of the Order of St. Caroline, of which he had
been created* Knight. His Lordship moved that Mr. Hownara
should be called to the Bar. _ _

That Gentleman having appeared according to the order of
their Lordships, presented his Diploma of the Order of Et.
Caroline.
It was read first in Italian, and then in English, by the Inter-
preter. We shall notice in the usual way the passage; which caused
the greatest mirth amongst the Judges, who listened with the
utmost attention
" Jenciafria, 4111 e*Juey, 1816.
" By these presents, signed by the ,own hand of her loyal
" Highness the Princess of Wales, and bearing her seal, her
" Royal Higbneu instituting and creating this Order cf
" Caroline, to recompense the faithful Knights who have accom-
" panied her on her pilgrimage—Of laugh/—to the Holy Land-
" First, This Order shall be given as a reward only to those
" who accompanied her Royal Highness to Jerusalem, except
a her Royal Highness's physician, Dr. Mochetti, who, by a
" singular accident that happened to him, was not present.
" Second, Colonel Bartolomo Bergami, Baron of Franchini,
Knight of Malta and of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem,
"Equerry of her Royal Highness, shall be Grand Master (4
" laugh); and his children, males'u well as females (Loud lcus4-
40 lee), shall succeed him, and have the honour of wearing this
" Order from generation to generation—(Laughter).-4b oto
ad moluses"—(Loud laughter). .
" Third, This honour and advantage shall be granted to the
" Knight of the City of Jerusalem, William Austin, and his
"legitimate children—(Laughter)—for ever; and for ever—
" (Laughter)—shall they enjoy this honour."
" Fourth, This honour shall be personal to Captain How-
" nam, of the Royal Navy, and Knight of the City of Jeru..
salem, and one of the suite of the Princess of Wales—who is
" created one of the Knights of this Order. The Cross and Pa-
" tent shall be returned to the Grand Master on the death of Mr.
" Hownam."—(Lotaghter).
" The Grand Muter shall wear the cross round his neck, and
" the other Knights shall wear it in their button-holes at the
0 left hand of their coats—(A laugh). The Order shall be called
" the Order of St. Caroline, and on the red cross shall be the
motto • Hold suit qui osal ypeosse.' The colour of the ribbon
" shall be lilac and silver. (Signed)
" CAROLINE
" Colonel Bartolomo Bergami, Baron o? Franchini, Knight of
" Malta and of the Holy Sepulchre, Grand Master."—(.4 &sigh).

The Duke of SOMERSET wished, before Mr. flowngiu
withdrew, to put a few questions to hint respectirg the sleeping
under the test.

Earl G REY submitted, that the proper period for the Noble
Duke's putting such questions would be after the defence was
closed.

The Duke of SOMERSET acquiesced, and Mr. Hownarn
was ordered to withdraw.

The LORI) CHANCELLOR asked, whether it was their
Lordships' pleasure that the diploma and translation should
stand part of the Minutes'—Ordered.
Lord HOLLAND wished to ask a question of the Noble
Earl at the head of his Majesty's Treasury. He observed, in
the account which had been laid on their Lordships table of the
Expenses incurred in the proceedings against her Majesty, an
item of £lB,OOO for Secret Services. He wished to know what
this item was for ?

Lord LIVERPOOL said, that this was part of the Secret
Service Money for the year, which had been voted on Estimate.
It had been transferred to this account in order to give a full
view of the whole expenses incurred in this prosecution; bu;
the same objection which applied to an exhibition of the parti-
culars of the general account of Secret Service Money, applied
to an exhibition of the particulars of any'part.
Lord DARNLEY wished to put two store questions on the
subject to the Noble Earl : —First, did the account which, in
pursuance of his Lordship's Motion, had been laid en the table,
include the whole of the expenses incurred by the Milan com-
mission ? And, second, did it include any part of the expenpes
of maintaining the witnesses in this country ?
' Lord LIVERPOOL said, that it included both kerns, as far
as diet could be made up at the date of the account. The only
expense tbat he knew of that was not included was the expense
of mess*ngers, and that was an item which belonged to the Fo-
reign Department.
A considerable pause now ensued, from the absence of Made-
moiselle De Mont.

Mr. Diaxaw, in order that her Majesty's Counsel might not
be suspected of detaining the House unnecessarily, begged to
mention the purpose for which they called op De Mont. They
wished to examine her as to certain declarations, which they
were informed she had made; if she admitted these declara-
tions, they would have the benefit of them, and if she did not,
she would have an opportunity of contradicting or explaining
them. He understood this to be strictly within the line of pro-
ceeding laid down by their Lordships.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that such an exarnim-
tion was certainly within the scope of the rule laid down by the
House.
Mad,ermeiteße Louisa De Mont was pow handed to the Bar by
Mr. Diane, and
Eransined by Mr. Wittiases.
Are you acquainted with a woman of the name of Franchette
tini believe not.

Do you know a man of the name of Henry Martini ?—I do
not recollect any such name.
Do you know a place in Switzerland called Morge?—Yes.
The woman of whom I speak is a milliner at that place?-4
know a mare/tame des modes at that place, of the name of Mar-
tini, not Martini—(4l laugh, at tot xiody chit distinction on oath).
Do you remember seeing that woman, under your amended
pronunciation, in March, 1818?-1 liaYe seen her several times,
but I don't recollect in what month.

Well, was it in the year 1018 ?—I do not recollect; but I may
have seen her in the course of that year.
Do yod remember sending for that witness to alter a bonnet
for you ?—I cannot recollect sending for her,. as I did not re-
side at Morge.
Well, without speaking of sending for her, I ask you if you
saw her about altering a bonnet in any part of that year ?—I
may have s--en her, but Ido not positively recollect %huhu
I did or not.
I wish you to answer whether you knosi the woman, yes or
no?--I know this woman, Madame Martini.
Do you remember having some conversation with her about
the Princess of Wales?—As I do not recollect seeing her in the
course of that year, I cannot recollect having any conversation
with her.

Did you see her.after yon left the Princess's service ?.—Yes.
had you not then some conversation with ber respecting the
Princess of Wales ?-1 do not recollect whether I had any ten-
vbrsation with her; it may be, but I do not recollect.
Do you not remember Martini speaking to you on the sub-
ject of your journal ?—I do not recollect at all of her talking to
me on the subject of my journal.
Do you mean to say that you did not hold a conversation
with this woman Martini on the subject of your Journal?—it
may be,but I do not recollect.
Do you not remember speaking to her on the conduct of the
Princess of Wales ?—I do not recollect.

Do you not recollect saying anything about the persons who
surrounded the Princess of Wales?—l do not recollect. I have
often spoken about the Princess, but not about the perions who
surrounded her.
Did not Madame Martini ask you a question about the cha-
racter of the Princess 7—l do not recollect having any conver-
sation with her on this subject. It may be, but Ido not rfr
collect.
Do you not recollect being.at Morse 3,-Yes, I lave been At
1 Morge several times.
Do you not recollect Madame Martini asking if the Princess
, was not a woman of intrigue (one piastre) ?-rli do not at all re-
I collect. Ido not recollect having any conversation with this
1 woman on the subject.
IWill you say that question was not put to you 7—l do not at
all recollect if this question was put to me. I have no idea of I:.
Do you not recollect being angry about it ?—I do hot rezoi-
lea this conversation; I have not the least idea of it.
Do you not recollect that you said it was all a calumny, and
that it was the Princess's enemies who spread the rumours against
her 7—l do not recollect anything like it ; I do got recollect it all.
IWill you swear you did not say so?—I will not swear. It
may be.. I have not the leant idea of it. Before I was put oil
my oath, I never said anything of what palsied in the house of
her Royal Highness.