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already nisted, to so great a degree that the
number of Catholic ohildrer, whose education
trotted to these, amounted to no mote than 26,000.

the Kildare-street Society, he saial, there were onl

Catholics.

He then mid extracts from some

published by the Hibernian Society, breathing a
of hostility to the Catholic religion ; the title of
was 4 Starch for Sin ; or a Tri"l in the Isle of Man.
It was to insult the people of Ireland, to appropriate
funds for the education of their children, and to ad-
ministet them ia such a way, and by such hands, that
they could not accept the advantage offered them, con-
sistently with their religious feelings. There was now
an inquiry going on by Commissioners appointed for
that purpose, and he could not consent to increase the
expense of this establishment pending that inquiry. He should
therefore move as an Amendment to the res-thition, that " A Com-
mission being now employed to inquire into the state of Education
in Ireland, and the best means of promoting the same, it would be
connary to the usage of the House, and inconsistent with economy,
to increase the expense of the Board of Education in Ireland, till
the final report oldie Commissioners is received, and that therefore
this vote be reduced to the sum of i 13,0001."
IF. LEWIS w.shed to say a few words to obviate
the erroneous impressions likely to be conveyed to the
count!), by the speech of the Hon. Member. For the
publication of tracts in Ireland the k'ducation Society
vas catainly not responsible. There ste:e certainly
/r‘ittlX Ilya of strong religious_feelings, who thought it
deity to propagate their peculiar opinions in this
way. He was not one of them, but he thought the
be,t way to deal with them was to set them alone.—
The. Sock:v.3p discountenance Vice was professedly
a krestestaut Society ; and if in their publications they
mentioned the supetioi ity of the Protestant Religion,
)404 could say that it was inconsistent with the prin-
ciples.
911 which they were constituted. The Education
Society, however, published no tracts whatever. They
published books indeed, and the utmost care wa; talun
that their contents should be unobjectionable. Dr.
D iyle had said, in his hearing, that their books watt
totally unobjectionable to Roman Catholics. To prove
the great caution which was exercised, he could state,
that in all the books they had published, only one sets•
tence had ever given offence. That sentence was cow
tained in a book of travels, it mentioned the existence
of a sanctuary, by means of which persons guilty of offence!' some..
times escaped justice. This passage was thought to convey a re-
flection against the Catholic Religion, and a remonstrance was
made against it. The Society, althou;h the passage was certainly
not indefensible, rather than enter into any dispute, consented to
sacrifice the page in which it was contained. There was, in fact,
not the least ground for jealousy cc, the part of Roman Catholics.
Ile could not sit still when he heard assertions made so utterly void
of foundation.

Mr. BUTTERWORTH condemned, as unfair and
unjust, the line of conduct pursued by the Honourable
Member. He had read passages from tracts as having been pub-
lished by the Hibernian Society, with which that Society had no-
thing to do—(hear, hear). He contrasted the means of Ireland
with those of England in regard to education, and called upon the
House to support the vote. •
Mr. THANT spoke in favour of a Scriptural Education.

The amendment was then negatived, and the original Resolution
passed without a division.
On the pee inn being pat upon the vote of 51,00 M. for the Found.
Ilnj Hospital in Ireland.
Mr. HUME, adverting to the former vote which he
had resisted, asked if itlWat possible for any one to be•
lieve thgt the Kadaretniggek. Society acted without dis-
tinction or pattiality between the two religions, when
out of a population of six million of Catholic children,
and one million of Protestants, they c•iuld attract to
their school," as many of the latter as of the former. He
o'fjetted to the vole- foi -tbe.Fstundling Hospital, as be
•caisideted that Institution t i afford an encoumgement
to vice. Any main might take a child to this hospital,
an.; on paying SI: Ijs. aid. it would be takeneff his
hands an 1 provided for. Was this not a premium for
baste:My ? They had enough ,to do to pay for their
own bastards (Loud and continued Laughter.)—
Thetio,3*aged this much better in Scotland. There
every man was obliged to provide for his own. He ob-
jected to the people of Scotland who paid for their own
bastard's, hissing also to pay for those of the h ish.
T his Hospital had cost, sine:: the Uitinn, no I:ss a sum
than 753,692/.. If the w mid p. y for them in that
way, they' 'Might he sure of never wanting a supply.—
The Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department
had admitted; four yeari ago, that this institution was not founded
upon sound principles, and yet, since that time, the estimate had
becu increased. The lion. Member concluded by moving, as an.
Amendment, that " the policy of Foundling Hospitals is at all times
equivOcal, and panticulatly objectionable In Ir,laud, operating as a
charge upon England."
The SPEAKER said, I:e apprehended this resolution
fell under the same obj-ctiott in point of order which he
had suggested noon a recent occasion. After the second
leading of the Revolt, it was not consistent with the
practice of the House to entertain an Amendment upon
gny Itefolurion, unless the Amendment waspari materia
with the Resolution itself. The result of such a proceeding would
bevlbat the amended Resolution would appear to form part of die
Etiolation of the Committee, when in fact it consisted of new
Matter originating, not in the Committee but in the Howie.
• Mr. HUM I: said, that he had not understood the Resolution to
havebeen read ; he had risen ow i a being put the first time.
The SPEAKER said, that the Hon. Member bad totally mis-
understood him. On the question that the Report be brought up,
it was competent to any Hun. Member to move what amendments
he thought proper,but when con sitt!ring the Resolutions separstely,
be apprehended no aniendmenr could he moved upon any partieu-
lar.liesnlotton which was nut 'sari maieria with that Resolution.
. .

Ms. HUMS asked, if 1ic.5...t4 than to understand that all the
Resolutions had been read the first time togetlatr int the question
far hanging upthc_.litt.p9ltt . • .• • •
The SORAILItit said, that mutat% could be fitter than that the
Hen. Member sheollobiret In any of the lieuiluituns of the Cum;
Mittee, or that he illiwitieinbStilute any amendment whatever to
the motion fug bringing up the Ittp3rt; but that there would be an
obvious irnproprietrin blending with the Itemblutiont of a Com-
mittee matter in terms professing to'be a litsolution of the House.
Mr. HUM Sir, I how to your decision, but I do not under-
stand it." Ile then withdrew his Resolution, and mused that the
Vote be reduced to 27,0001.
TGe lioute then divided, when there appeared co be—
the original Resolution, . 52
For the Amendment,
Majority fur the original Resolution, .

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the question being put upon the Itcmlotion that 19,9581. be
gmtited fur the frith linen Board,
Alr. !LUNE said that this Board consisted of 74 Members, and
four years ago there was not one Catholic amongst them, Besides,
!iv thmight the Board unnecessary. They had got rid of an ii:sta-
blishment of this nature in Scotland, and found that they did much
lEiter without it. lie complained of the predominating hilluence
c i ,ate Bertsioni &mil to this Board.
OQULISUitN said that lie wa• not in a situation to give a
slet-ifed answer upon the different points to which the lion. Alern•
her had adverted. lie had mu expected that it would hew beta
r‘quirilif _ _ .

!-)" linsolutlos for 7,0G01. to the Dublin Society,
..Ir. II UMK retnaik.Al mat this mut would more prbperly be
p'..e.“.1 illlbvililellt vote, u,utely that to the Royal frith Ara.
wbach, as at t,,w mood, %V A. tuity .0.000. it was "range
that Fella:xi thuuld Le.tr the expenw of Newspapers and Its view.
tor Dublin.

Mr. G 0151.11131( N said that the Esiim ites comprised
a demand ut 11,00 cl. ihough 0114 7,0001. was granteJ,
He cheviot. lion, Member w.:s under A mistake as to the 1,3.
lure the Royal hist& Aculen y, when lie recommended
ti &osier ut tue Vu r. Ilse ICLith:llly Ankilas to our Ituyal So_
siety, and its :tlembers weir sums: of toe moat learned itivu

had<aequired so rancla
MIS a blelnber.
Ts-ars, the Resolute,
,was
for JUL to defray the ex-
o
this now, as he
era7d of Works before
skew, that three-fourths
useless.

On the motion of Mi% Hosea, the further consideration of the
Vote of 6,0001. for Printing Proclamations, was postponed.
To the Resolution for granting a Sum of 3595.31. foe the Expense
of criminal prosecutions in Ireland,
Mr. I-1U M E objected, on the ground of the large sums paid in
fees to Counsel for the Crown. _ _

--
Mr. GOULBURN defende3 the grant. Many Hon.
Gentlemen believed that the profits of the office of At-
torney-General were enormous, but the contrary was
the fact. That officer was paid a salary of 1,0001 for
his opinions given in Dublin to the Lord Lieutenant,
and for selecting, from the prison returns, such cases as he might
deem fit for Government to prosecute. Fur his other services the
Attorney-General was only paid the regular fees, and he (llr.
Goullaurn) could assure the House that the whole of that officer's
profits did not amount to 4,0001- per annum.

The Resolution was then agreed to.
011 the Resolution for granting a sum of 0,0001. for the purchase
of Pictures for the National Gallery being proposed,
Mr. HUNIIi hoped some Board would be appointed
to conduct those purchases, from whom Reports might
be occasionally expected, of the manner in which the
sums voted were applied. He feared all was not going
on right in that quarter. He had seen statements in
the Newspapers 'which led him to think that too much
confidence was placed in the individuals to whom those
percbases were entrusted—(Cries of is No, no"). He approved of
the establishment of a National Gallery, but he thought the expen-
diture ought to be entrusted to competent persons.
Mr. HOMES defended the Grant, and contended,
that the individuals selected for the office of advising
in the purchase of pictures were the best qualified that
could be found. He knew not how a Report could be
framed uuder the present system, but there was no ob-
jection whitener, on the part of his Majesty's Govern-
ment, to the production of an account of everything
connected with the purchase of the pictures already
bought. Government bad been advised, by the
indi-
viduals already referred to, to purchase the three pic-
tures for which the Grant before the House was intended, not
I only because of their acknowledged merit, but also on account of
the very moderate prices at which they could be obtained.
Mr. HUME professed himself satisfied with the proposed pro-1
duction of the account mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman (air.'
Hurries), after which the Resolution was agreed to.
The remaining votes were agreed to without any opposition. The
House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be further'
considered on Monday. 10th April next.
A new Writ was ordered to be issued for the election of a Mem
ber fur St. Michael's, to serve in the room of William Taylor
Money. Esq.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a Waal= TsarelONT O'CLOCL, to Wednes- 1
day the oth of April.
MINORITY.

On Mr. Home's Motion, " to reduce the Vote for the Foundling
Hospital at Dublin, from 31,6001. 0117,0001. as it stood in 11115."
Grosvenor, lien. R. I Lockhart, J. T.
Hobhouse, J. C. Rise, Spring.
Tiu.Leas--Joseph Hunts and Alderman Wood.
MINORITY•On Mr. Hume's Motion respecting the Principle of Charitable In-
stitutions in Ireland.
Bright, H.
muse Eike, Edw. Lockhart, J. •
Davies, T. H. Perm. Permian, SrSir R. I Smith, Wm.
T oseph Hume and Alderman Wood.

rope. The scientific Dr. Brinkley, whq ba4
whole lebrA"t7t,br a
ybisati
fes wnorgidosn attrtilittnrfrn• Y Taaas ANTI
welt in:, eireffee. . , •
)00. 19 TlVBesolution laving been put fee 24,1
lily two pence of tle Boaid of Works,
Mr. HUME ebtervea, he should• rot' o
tracts, Incest to take an opportunity of bringing the
a Spirit the Melte ; when he hoped to be able to al
f them of the expense incurred by that Board was 1
r Man!, The Resolution was agreed to. -
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