Star.
London, England, 1817-06-10 00:00:00

himself ona the inctolgascc or
*pilule had foreseen when Iu
ld often have occasion to do.
ie bad made hirw.elf under.
ortitssion in the une case, and
that the motion of the Ho.
Carlisle had been regularly
intended now to rectify the
.ul,l (.bserve that it v..as not
,old now be introduced on the
Id he as much irregularity in
le omission, the motion of the
quer having been witlidt awn
he House. It wa:, now only
to signify its intuition on the

,OR of the EXCHEQUER
ration to have withdrawn the
with the sugge:,tiou that it
should appear that no motion
so that the case might nut be
one way or the other, he hail
stoecl the House to have eon-
, of ta4rig no notice of this
mission was not strictly regular.
assured the Speaker that he did
slightest blame to him.
AGH thought that what bad
alluded to was done with the
ember of the House.
aid, that the Message was not
tary form, but Parliamentary

inught that enough appeared
ern any mistake at any future
been dune in the case alluded to.
'sought it necessary that some
the Journals on the subject.
thought that if no further
on the Journals, the House
Inge the Message.
`sat as to the merits of the Ma-
to him to be objectionable ;
this, that it might not be un-
al in the House that
He saw no inconvenience
on the Joutual to remain in

,There certainly %ions a very
that it should' not app,:tr on

iotion was negativedl but he
it never entered into ;his con-
notice at ail a the motion should
ls. He the:elute moved that
tid be made on the Journ.il
iotion made that the Message
ihe Prince Regent ~hould be
and the sense of the House
,ould be withdrawn."
distinctly objected to
tpon the House to affirm what
true. It was certainly the
louse that the motion should
any notice being taken of it.
RE clearly understood that
ithdraw ti.
lONSONSY was then put and ne-
ision.

.S LAWS.
moved the second reading of the
9ale of Game. He was aware
decidedly adverse to the mea-
that he was actuated solely by
mop to the desttuctive practice
the fore-runner of every de-
agreed in the propriety of
propesty ; and contended that
tied were it not for the Act pro-
support of this opinion he
Lords Hat and Kenyon to
is caught in the ground in
belonged to the owner of the
ground of another person, it
The poachers at present
;at mischief. For tie game
:y found a ready market. It
la in the country, and eon.
mt tropolis, who disposed of
torn it was sold to the public..
'locus wore placed in a hard
law, which imposed a heavy
it not on tie buyers ct game.
obliged to sell game, or they
is tor their poultry. He had
they were act at all anxious
were very anxious not to be
hies for doing ao, while the
impunity. It would not be
Legislature to inipase heavy
;ess of game ; and it followed
ay of remedying the par-
,
ould be at oncu to legalize the
i give the public a lawful sup-
urged that if the sale of game
Id be diaicult to detect the
replied, that he intended to
8.11, imposing a penalty on
in his possession, who would
he obtained it. It had alw
be discreditable for Gentle.
For his part he was at a loss
iuld be score discreditable for
mit. pheasants, than it was for
their pigs, or their horses.—
d a Noble Lord, not of the
:ter. the Marquis of Anglesea,
' passed into a law, be was de-
is game to the metropolis, in
supplied legally, instead of
That Nulde Lord's amuse-
game, and he had pp wish to
iblie a loam whiCh their mpney
He contended, in eippo-
tmy statement, that the poacher
undersold, if the Bill were
on the great aduantage that
the fenreal'ef that continoed
1340 at PeeeSac annoyed those
avidtsals resident country
CO ore great evil of the
I pece4.4,7, to mention, that
:wer fop an 4 .OPO individuals
Oreoefe supino cbf-lIP • fig hppect
tit, Bill to .go into the Com-
.
Iglu Itceire any 131(.4ific:099%
tat*.

xrd DEER HU-it ST opposed the 'Bill. He coolrl
coo Cuomo% blanch oith a silent vote upon a measure
so f: aught with rri,chlef, and so devoid of any probable
good, as was tbai Bill which was now before the House
i (or a second diseu,sion. He much feared that in the
preponderance of other busine.s, atnongst the
plieity Of alter pastions mote 'ranted' stely connec-
ted with the national consequence of Cie country,
Gentlemen had considered this tucasure of minor im.
portansm; and that thus by inattention alone, on the
part of those whom it would, when passed into a law,
most materially affect, had we orrived'at die second
reading of a 8011, which, according to his opinion,
ought to have been crushed ;Is its first concept;oo. It
should, howcirer. no longer be for want of a warning
voice in that House, that Gentlemen should have. to
regtet the passing of that memo,* into .t law, which
when once it bad received the sanction of Parliament,
would put a decided barrier to the future preservation
of game throughout the kingdom, robbing us of one
of our greatest amusements, :ind our country seats
'of ouc ut its greatest ornaments. He understood
lions a comespondence that had been shewn him
between the Honourable Colonel opposite, and
:clothes Hotioutable Colonel, who was not a Mem-
ber of that House, that one of the objects of the
Bill was to enable Nobiemen and Gentlemen to disc
pore of that commodity in the shape of game, which
at present they could not sell without incurring the
ptnalty of. the law ; and indeed a Noble Marquis had
been named, who was willing to dispose of his game
when this measure passed for the benefit of the public
market. He much leased the Noble Marquis, for
whom no one could totes tain a higher regard and
esteem than lie (Lord Deerhutst) did, would alaays
find that the poacher had the power of underselling
' the Gentleman, for the reason that the poacher made
a clear profit of every thing above the expense of a
load of ponder and shot, say three-half.pence, whilst
the Gentleman must have something like a price for
his game. even to cover the expense of the baskets in
which it was packed ; and they would stand together
in the way that the two broom-sellers did in the same
market ; the one an honest industrious man, who sold
his brooms at as low a price as possible to make
the least profit of them, while the other sold
I his at one half lower—and upon the former's
asking him how this could be, when he who made
the brooms himself was content with the most
trifling gain ? the latter replied, ‘, You make your
blooms, I steal mine ready made."—(A laugh.)—So
the poacher steals the game ready made to his
hands through the medium of the pockets of
Gentlemen who are the preservers of it. If this Bill,
Sir, should pass. you will be shutting the door
against the possible (I should rather say probable)
chance of ever again discovering the poacher I—.
tor of course, Sir, the licensed vender will never give
you up the name of the man by whom he is to make
hi, enormous profit, and who must always be the re-'
gular poacher ; for by so doing he would be destroy-
ing his own decoy-duck—he would be cutting off
the goose's head with the golden egg, for the ii-
cer.sed dealer can buy pheasants at 7s. a brace
of these men, and retail them out immediately at 15s.
—what prospect then has the Gentleman of keeping
p ice with the poachers' price in the sale of game with
chance of profit ? It is well known to all game
preservers, that nine times in ten the poachers ate not
caught in the fields, where your keepers may lie out
for twenty nights together and catch nothing but
colds and rheurnatisms. (Laugh.) It is owing to the diffi.
culty there now is (as the law at present stands) of dis-
posing of the game, that you are enabled to bring
these class Of robbers to the punishment they merit-.
but when once houses are legalised for its sale, that
power, as 1 have already proved, will be wholly taken
away. you are opening too a very easy channel to
all. keepers and others employed. about the game,
to clear your estate, from the ready market of
licensed houses, so conveniently opened to them.—
But it may be argued, that there is a highly respectl
table class of his Majesty's subjects who have no par-
taculer predilection for seeing game in any other way
than well roasted at their tables, and that it is hard
they cannot buy this rarity in the public market.'
rmaintain, whilst they have money to pay for it in their
pockets, that they will always (as the case now stands)
be able to purchase as much game as They please, and
at one quarter the price which it costs the game preser-
vers to rear it on their own estates ; (hear)—but in two
years from this there will be no game at at all ter
them, for love or money, if this Bill passes into a law.
But, Sir, from an apparently trifling question in it-
self, I connect this with (in my humble opinion) a
great political one; and I would ask the Honourable
Colonel and the House, if this is the moment to pass
any measure that will go to disgust Country Gentle-
men with a residence on their property. GOD knows,
there arc unfortunately now too many causes of dis-
satisfaction oolongs' the Landed Proprietors; and I
consider it to be the duty of Parliament to encourage,
by every possible means, rather than the contrary, a
proper residence upon the land, so essential to the
best and vital interests of the country—(Hear, hear.)
I. therefore, propose, that, instead of now, this Bill
I be read again. this day six months."
Mr. CURWEN characterized the Game Laws as
most unjust, iniquitous, and detestable. He would,
however, hove preferred a Committee of investiga-
tion into the subject, rather than the Bill before the
House; and be hoped tae Honourable Colonel would
withdraw the Bill" rother than have it negatived, with
a view in the next Session to move fur the appointment
of such a Committee.

Sir C. BURRELL opposed the Bill.
Mr. WILBERFORCE supported the Bill. He
particularly insisted on the injustice of subjecting the
seller, but not the purchaser of game to a penalty.
It was:a maxim of law, that the receiver was as
bad as the thief. Nothing could be more reprehen-
sible than that the poor man who was seduced should
be punished, and that the rich man who was the se-
ducer, should escape with impunity. An Honour-
able Friend of his bad received information on this
subject from France, by which it appeared that for-
wetly, wben severe, penaltieseven in some cases
death—were attached to poaching, game was never-
theless insevire i but that since a different system had
been pursued, and game had been made private pro-
perty, poaching was no lunger a trade in that cows-
try. The Honourable Gentleman highly compli-
mented . the ability exhibited by the Noble Lord be-
hind him (Deeiherst), but expressed his persuasion
that a little more vonsickratimi of the subject would
lead that Noble Lord to feel all the evils of the ezis-
' ting system. He hoped either that the Bill would
.. •

be allowed to go into a Committee, or that a CM?.
mittee would be a:poin:ed to inetstig.tte the su'ljrci
and see if some other remedy could nut he applied.
Mr. G. BAIIKES argued that the Honourable
Mover of the Bill began at the wrong end of the bu-
siness, and made a prnposition which was utterly irre-
concilable with the existing laws. He enumerated
various objections to the measure, which appeared to
him to be so objectionable in principle, that no too-
dificatioa which it might receive in a Committee
could render it tolerable.

Mr. PRESTON supported the Bill, and Sir J.
SEBRIGHT opposed it.
Mr. GURNEY aid, that in France game was
the property ot the Lord of the Soil, who might pro-
secute any one who was found with a gun in bis
lands. But the sale of game being there legalized,
tl:e trade of poaching had almost ceased, or that the
gamekeepers were the poachers.
Mr. GOUL BURN denied that that law which
was applicaule to the character and usages of the
French people, would be equally applicable to the
character and usages of the Engl►sh.
Colonel WOOD said, he believed it would be the
most prudent way not to press his motion for the
second reading ot the Bill to a division—(.4laugh.)
He thought it would be hest to defer any further pro-
ceeding, and sec if at a future period a snore accept-
able measure could be devised by a Committee.
The Amendment was agreed to without a division.

fasimitmers
had only now to throw hi
• the House. and it was eel
tool. the Chair he should
--(Hear, ,year.)—lt be
alpe.i, the reason for the o
e..t in the other was, ti
noarable Member for C
wichJrawn. If it wan ii
omission, the Hous;; wou:
easy to mark bow it coup
Journals, for there would
inserting it now us in the
Chancellor of the Exch,ci
without the coast nt of the
necessary for the House tc
subject—(Hear, krar).
I • The CHANCELLOI
said, that it was his
motion alluded to, but w
would be better that it Ow
had ever beau made. so i
tirawn into a pri cedent on
complied, and he understi
cured in the propriety of
motion, although the omisi
Mr. PjNSONBY assu:
Lot intend to impute the s
Lord CASTLE REA(
boot done in the matter al
concurrence of every Men
Mr. C. W. WYNN saic
oily against Parliamentar
1 si.bstaace.
Mr. CANNING thoul
on the Journals to prevent
as to what had been
I'ONSONBY thou
entry should be made in tl
Mr. C. W. WYNNL
notice was to appear on
might just as well expung
Mr. BANKES said that
sage, it never appeared to
and he wished to state chi
derstood to be the general
the Message was wrong.
in allowing the entries on
their present state.
Mr. PONSONBY—TI
general tnderstanding tha
the Journals that the toot;
solemnly declared that it i
templation that no notice
be taken on the Journals.
the following entry shouts]
for the 3d of June, " Mm
of his Royal Highness the
taken into consideration,
was that the motion shoull
Lord CASTLEREAt
the motion, as calling upc
in peint of fact was not to
understanding of the Hou
be passed over without an;
Doctor PHILLIMOIt
the motion had been with(
The motion of Mr. Pots
gativcd without a division,
GAME
Colonel WOOD moved
Bill for Legalizing the Sal
that many persons were dc
cute, but he protested that
a sincere wish to put a stoi
of poaching, which was tl
4c,i!piluil of vice. He a,
ItiakiA4 game private pro
it would be so recognized
Whiling its _sale. In au]
goatee, the authorities of
skew, that if a bare was
which it started, it below
ground, but it in the gro
belonged to the bunter.
were the causes of great
which they obtained they I
was collected by teceivers
"eyed to saksmen in the
it n, poulterers, by whom
Thi.last clas4 the potato
situation by the existing la
penalty on the sellers but i
The poulterers were obli
would have no customers I
authority for saying that Li
to sell st, leut.that they w
ezpowd to heavy penaltie
purchasers escaped with
easy. ilmrema for the Li
penalties on the purchaser;
ti.ereforoa that the only i
tialiv and grievance wool
bale of game, and thus gi
ply of it. It had been ur,
_ were legalized, it would
poacher. To this he re
propose a clause in the
any person having game i
net declare from whom h
been said, that it would b
entq to sell their game. I
to discover why it would
Gentlemen to sell their
them to sell their sheep, t
He had the. authority of
Most penurious character,
. • to say, that if this Bill pe
terowned to transmit his
order that it might be s
illegally. by poachers.
meek was tashooring Rau
withhold from the public
entitled Om to commis
'Won to a contradictory
roiod fly completely tit
agreed to I and weir on
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