Star.
London, England, 1827-02-17 00:00:00

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inter ...Or tsbe printed.
St COO presented Petitions from the Roman Catlinlis
inhabitants of two places In the Queen's County, ih favour of Cs.
th,lic Eman iNtion —Ordered to be printed.
Mr. CHICHRSTF:It presented Petitions from the Rome
Catholic inhabitants of New Row and Simon, in the County
of Westmeath, io favour of Catholic Emaacipation.—Ordered to

be printed.
Mr. A BERCROMBY presented a similar Petition from Ban-
don —Ordered to be printed.
Mr. MAXWELL presented it Petition from seventeen heads
of families, praying to be misted with the means of emigration.—
It appeared to him from the debate of last night that the House
sea. favourably disposed towards some measure of that kind, with-
out waiting for the resta:t of the inquiries of the Committee. He 1
thought the Committee might be useful in examining into the de-
tails, and the means of carrying emigration into effect, but he saw
no other benefit that could be eapeeted from it. He wished to
ask whether it was the intention of the Government to bring for-
ward a measure epos the subject at an early period.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was quite evident that no use could
accrue from sending these poor people out to Canada before they
bad ascertained what was to be done with them there, or how far
their situation would be improved by the change. As he said last
night, a Gentleman of mulch experience had been sent out Cur the
purpose of investigating the land and the means of cultivating it,
and he would inform the Government of the result of his enquiries
as to whether or not the comfort and happiness of the poor people
would be prohibit if dies were sent out.
Mr, MAX WELL said he should mit the question again, if the
Committee bad not made their report in time for some measure to
be adopted before the month of May, the period at which the people
would be all thrown out of work.
The Petition was referred tp the Emigration Committee.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND presented a similar Petition from the
Emigration Society of Balfour,in the County of Stirling.
Referred to the Committee.
Mr. NI Aas HALL-presented a similar Petition from a town in
Yorkshire.—Referred to the Committee. . -

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Mr. DU NCOMBE (in the absence of an Honourable 'ad Gal.
lent Member, General Phipps) presented a Petition from Ship
Owners, complaingof the altetation of the Navigation Laws, and
the reciprocity Sywens.
Mr. ♦. STEWART gave notice, that on the 28th inst. be would
move for a Copy of Corr spondence between the Government and
elaginratee of Kilmancroes, Wateeford, relative to the appointment
of a stipendiary Magistracy.
Mr. FR REM A NTLh: presented the King's Answer to the Ad-
dress of Condolence respecting the Death of the Du►e of You k.
Colonel TOR RENS presented s Petition from Seamen of South
Shields for the total repeal of the Coen Laws.
Sir THOS. LETHBRIDGE said, if t►e wishes of some could
be realised the whole capital of the Land Owners would be de-
stroyed.
Mr.'HUMF. presented Petitions, sigma by Lord Killen, Daniel
O'Connell, and other influential persons In Ireland, which agreed
with the deplorable accounts of the state of that country given by
Mr. Wilmot-Horton on Thursday night. It set forth that there
was the richest Church, and the poorest people in the world in
Ireland. He was at a loss how the Hon. Member (Mr. Wilnent.
Horton) of the Government, could be so well persuaded of the
miseries of Ireland, as to describe them as they had been described,
without being ready to propose some remedy. He hoped, with
the Petitioners, that the Tythe Composition Act might be re-
pealed, on account of its injurious tendency.
Mr. GOULBURN denied the allegations of the Petition; if
the Act were so injurious, let its repeal be moved; then facts could
be adduced. He believed the Act had produced great diminutions.
blr. J. GRATTAN said, the mischief resulted from the Ves-
tries, and their impositions for repairs of Churches.
Sir J. NEWPORT added, that he had for years directed the
attention of the House to this subject, and that Vestries had powers
which operated injuriously and espeosivdy. He believed it was a
great hardship to have suffered many Churches to go to ruin, and a
greater to tax the Catholics for the repairs of such Churches—
( Hear). Three or four Protestants who met in vestry, exercised
the power of taxing to an enormous extent, and that generally for
the benefit of themselves. The Petition prayed fee the Repeal of
the Irish Vestries Act, 7 Geo. IV.
Mr. HUME said, he must plate more reliance on these who
had suffered, than on the word of the Hon. Secretary, Mr. Goul-
burn, who never had seen, and never could 'es the evils under
which Ireland laboured.

Mr. G 0 ULBURN admitted that tbe eufferen merited attendee;
but if the repeal of the Act were to be moved. he ►oped the judg-
ment of the House *mid be suspended till the evidence was heard
that would be adduced.

Mr. CiIOKER presetwa4 returns el all Mariner dismissal with-
out Court Martial.

THE MEG 'S MESSAGE.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee on his
Majesty's Message.
The House then went Into a Committee.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
when the Parliament was called upon to consider what
provision should be made for the due maintenance of
any branch of the Royal Family, it was necessary to
state what proximity it had to the Throne. This prin-
ciple was acted upon in the case of his Royal Highness
the lamented Duke of Yo: k. The allowance which *as
made to that illustrious individual was solely with re-
ference to his connexion with the Throne. It was, per-
haps, necessary for him to state, therefore, what was
the income which the Duke of Yolk enjoyed. His
Royal Highness received from the Consolidated Fund
26 5001. per annum. In addition to which sum be was
in pos.ession of a pension estimated at 70001. The'
Duchess of Yo, k received 40001. per annum, which was
paid to the Duke only during the life of the Duchess,
and at the time of her death ceased, making a total
yearly income to the Royal Duke 37,5001. which sum,
tilting into consideration the exalted ration of the in-
dividual, and his relationship to the throne of the
realms, was not an extravagant sum. The income of
the Duke of Clarence was 26,5001. which sum was
moue by 2,0001. than was allotted to the junior
branches of the Royal Family. At the time this
income was assigned to him, there ace six mem-
bers of the Royal Family living, and their income
was about 10,0001. per annum. At the death of
his Royal Highness the Duke of Kent, this sum was
increased to 12,0001.; the Princes and Princesses enjoys
ing equally amongst them the benefit of survivorship.
Subsequently in 1816, another Act, asigning to their
Royal High nesses an additional 6,0001. which increased
their income to 18,0001. per annum, passed. His Royal
Highness at that time declined to accept the additional
grant of 60001.; but in 1822, circumstances induced
Nkri to take advantage of the liberality of Parliament.
The allowance thus assigned to him by Parliament,
added to the other source. of emolument enjoyed by his
Royal Highness, gave him an income of about 26.5001.
By virtue of the Act before alluded to, which gave
to the Royal Family the benefit of survivorship, on
the death of the Duke of York, the Duke of Cla•
sence received an addition of 30001. per annum to his
income, making it 29,5001. These was no separate
allowstice for the Duchess, and the proposition which
he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had to submit to
the Rousse, was to place their Royal High nesses the
Duke and Duchess of Clareia e upon an equal footing
with the late Duke and Duchess of York. The Duke
of York was in possession of 33,0001. and this Duchess
4 0001. and he should therefore propose an addition of
3 0001. a year to his Royal Highness, and to the Duchess
6,0004 making a sum of 9 000/, additional to h s pres:nt
1. come. It was not necessai y for him to say that giants
of this kind wete not made to the individu4s, but to
Veit rank and the exalted station which they might
one day be c,lled to occupy in tle State. It was,

to their affinity to the Throne, and upon soth a
head the people of England always felt liberally.—
Wi h respect to the Duchess of Clarence, she was as
eminent for the virtues of her mind as for the graces of
her pervn, and added one more to the list of distin-
guished Ladies, which formed at once tic pride. and
boasted ornament of the Court of Great Britain. He
felt bound to say, that the Duke of Clarence bad not
been informed of the intention to bring forward this
proposition until his Majesty's Me.sage had been de•
livered to both Houses of Parliament. His Royal
Highness expected nothing for himself. but said f e
should receive with gratitude what the Nation might award to his
Duchess, as it was his wish to place his Royal Consort in a situa
tion congenial to her station. The Right Hon. Gentleman con-
cluded by moving a Resolation fur granting 5,0001. per annum to
tie Duke, and 11,0001. to the Duchess of Clarence, in addition to
their present income.
Lord A LTHORPE opposed the grant. He regretted
that, from the lamented change in affairs, the country
were to be pot to an additional expense. He agreed
with all that had been said of the virtues of his Royal
Highness the Duke of Clarence; but whilst there ap-
peared a deficiency in the Revenue amounting to
4,000,0001. It would have beets better that Ministers had not come
forward with such a proposition. It would have bees more to the
honour of the Royal Family if suat a proposition had never bees
thought of.
Mr. HUME thought Mini.ters could not justify
themselves fir imposing on the country so onnecessary
a tax as 9.0001. addition to the income which the Royal
Family already derived from thepublic purse. The in-
come of hisßoyal Highness theDoke of Clarence was suf.
fici nt to support his high station ; for, with what be
received in his official capacity, it already amounted to
40 0001. He would ask of she Right Hon. Gentleman,
if ir would tend to the honour of the Crown if royalty
was to be supported at the expewse of a distressed
people. Let him look to the Civil List, and he would
soon see what large sums already sere paid for the
Crown. If he looked at the pensiodli which bad been
paid to the different branches of the Royal Family, in-
cluding the Duke of York, Prince Leopold, Dukes of
Cumberland, Clarence, and Sussex, Princess Augusta,
Sophia, &c. he would find that the sum of 234,5001. was
divided amongst them, which, by the simple proposition
of this night, they wanted to increase to 243,5001. He
would only ask the House to look at the pile of Petitions
on the table, praying for economy and reduction. No
individual would turn a deaf ear to their prayer, and was
a Btitish House of Commons that night to do so? Let
them look to the Petitions from Blackburn, where thou-
sands of fellow-creatures were suffering the most acute
distress—to the calls from Manchester, and all the ma-
ilufacturing d stricts—and they would surely pause be-
fore such a step as that now proposed was taken.. The
deficiency in the revenue, the loans from the Bank of
England, and the general distress, commanded atten-
tion. He could not believe that the real state of the
country had been represented to the King, or he never
would have sent such a message down to the House.
lif the tin. h was known, it originated with the Minis-
ters, who, as in the case of Prince Leopold, were looking
lup to the rising sun, and found their own account in it.
From the plain good English feeling which the late
Duke of York had always exhibited, they were justified
in believing that he was above all whist; parade. Considering the
humane and charitable disposition generally displayed by Minis-
ters, at least those le that House—(osoch laughter)—he felt no
little astonishment at their thus tondo& forward. He trusted, how-
ever, the Committee would not come to a hasty vote on a subject
of such vital importance. The Hon. Gentleman concluded with
moving, that the Chairman do leave the Chair. with leave to report
progress to the House oa Monday.
Colonel WOOD said, that 30 years ago the sum of
$B,OOOl. was granted to the Duke and Duchess of York.
Now, either this must have been the most unreasonable
grant ever made, or the one now proposed wholly un-
deserving the observations of the Hen. Member for
Aberdeen—(Hear, near) The question was not one of
additional expense to the country, but whether the
country would choose to save 9,0001. by the death of the
Duke of York. Of the claims which the Duke of Cla-
rence possessed on the score of domestic virtues he would
say nothing; this point having been most ably treated
by his Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Mr. CUR WEN said, he felt it his duty not to agree to the amend-
ment of the Hon. Member for Montrose. He (Mr. C.) wanted no
time to make up his mind as to the propriety of the grant; but was
prepared at once to give it his negative—(Hear.)
Mr..l. B. MONK considered the application most HI-timed.
en account of the prevailing distress. In his opinion the value of
money had undergone such a change as to make 5ta9,500 the
sum to be possessed by the Duke of Clarence, in reality, a larger
sum than that granted to the Duke of York thirty years age.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, no man was more willing
than himself to support the just dignity of individuals
raised by their rank to important situations; but the
question now was, whether or not, in consequence of
the melancholy death of the late Duke of York, the
Duke of Clarence was exposed to greater expense than
before? whether or not he had any additional dignity to
support as Heir Presumptive, by which the scale of his
expenditure must, of ntcestity—he would go further,
could justly or reasonably be increased ? The Chancellor
of the Exchequer had made no such statement, but
rested his application on that which turned out to be
mere misrecollection of facts. He said, in all fat mer in-
stances similar to the present, an additional grant had
been made ; but though in 1806, 6,0001. a year had
been added to the incomes of each of the Illustrious
Princes, the grant was made with.,ut distinction. As
the Right Hon. Gentleman had waived all personal
grounds, and rested his claim on that of precedent
only, to that point only would he (Mr. Brougham) ad-
dress himself. At the decease of the much lamented
Princess Charlotte no additional grant was made to
the Duke of York; and the allowance voted him
in 1792. was nit given to him as Heir Presumptive.
—I he law recognized the King, the Queen Consort,
and the Heir Apparent ; but Princes Royal stood
in a different point of view ; and Heirs Presump-
tive we. e wholly unrecognized. The Gallant Colonel
said, if this propusiiion was objected to, the grant to the
Duke of York must have been wrong:—very possibly,
very possibly !--(Hear 1) He was one of those who
thought if times had been as bad then as they-are now,
that sum would not have been voted. He ent;rely
agreed with the Right Hen. Gentleman when he said,
that all persona! cons dei ain't. were impertinent, but he
felt pleasure in stating, that the Duke and Duchess of Clarence had
the least possible right to complain ef, or laterest is deprecating, a
personal enquiry. Though he felt it to be his duty to vote for the
delay, he should de so with regret; he regretted the subject had
been questioned at all.

Mt. Secretary PEEL thought no subjects so unplea-
sant as these, on account of their peculiatly persor,al
name. They admitted, too, of no demon,tralion, unless
a detail were entered into, and even that was scare y
pract•cable He thought an additional income o.
3,0001. to the Duke of Clarence, and 6,000'. to his
Duchess, required to support even the " decent bpi, II-
dour" of their strions. He repelled the odious charge
of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, that he, or any of
his Majesty's Ministers, were operated upon by an im-

proper influenee—(Haar. hear). The Hon. and Learned I
Gent. (Mr. Brougham) had pursued what he considered':
to be the path of his duty, dieclsinsing and deprecating
all persons' reference. Surely he (Mr. Peel) might
pursue his course, operated upon by a more worthy'
motive than that springing from a desire to obtain pet-1
sonar favour. He did honestly believe that the Duke
of Clarence would' have to sustain an increase of rati-
onal expenditure. (Hear.) The just claims of hence°
lence would alcone occas;on a considerable increase, The
Princess Charlotte, be it recollect d, was neither Heir
Presumptive nor Heir Apparent, and yet there was a
considerable addition granted to her income. As re
garded the addition to the Duke of York's income, it
ould be found, on reference to the debates, that Mr.
Pitt expressly said the grant was required on account of his Royal
Highness's proximity to the Crown.
Mr CA LCRA FT was in favour of the gnat.
Mr. Htfnill explained, amidst loud cries of ■ Question." He
said several friends about him wished he had negatived the motion;
but be proposed the postponement of the question, in hopes Minis-
ten would withdraw their proposition.
The Committee then divided ma the question of adjourntopot,
when there appeared—Ayes, 75; Noes, 167.
The original motion was then agreed to, and the Report ordered
to be received on Monday.

THE Oat/NANCE lINTIMATIS.
On the Order of the Day for the House going into Committee
of Supply, to take into consideration the Ordnance Estimates.

Mr. MABERLY opposed the Speaker's leaving the
Chair. On a previous occasion he had endeavoured to
impress en Ministers the necessity of laying before the
House accounts of the receipts and expenditure of the
_preceding year, that Members might be able to form
tome idea of the resources of the country before com-
mitting themselves by voting away the public money.
No more sufficient reason could be given for his recom-
mendasion, than that afforded by official documents in
his possession, from which it appeared, that the Right
Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer had considerably
over calculated his resources. The Hon. Gentleman
then proceeded to quote from documents to a consider-
able extent; from which it appeared, that in 1825, there
was a surplus of 5,500,0001. and the surplus of 1826 was
1,000,0001.: but there having been no Sinking Fund
provided, he contended there was a deficiency of four,
five, or six hundred thousand pounds When the
finances of the country were in this state, it was pecu-
liarly necessary for Members to come to the House and
watch the Estimates.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER consi.
deted himself placed in a situation of much embarrass-
ment, for he could not satisfy the Hon. Gentleman
without putting him in possession of the whole of
that statement which he proposed laying before the
House as soon as possible—(Hear.)—To state a part
would only mislead, and he was not at present in a
situation to acquaint the House what would be the
revenue of the present year; he might, perhaps, have
been better prepared_ 'There was an indication bete
of strong feeling on the part of the Right Honourable
Gentleman.]—(Load cries of Hear, hear.)—He thought
it was too much to require him to give the fullest
details under the present defensive or offensive cir-
cumstances—(Hear.)—He, however, could assure the
Hopse, that whatever increase of expense might be
incurred by recent transaction:, he was prepared to
meet it without increasing the burthens of the country.
—(Hear, /seer.) But these were two or three points to
which he could refer, No doubt the surplus of the
year was not more than 1,000,0001. it was, however,
impossible every year to realise the expectations that
might have been formed. If the Hon. Gentleman
argued now on the defalcation, he was surely at liberty
Ito refer to former years. In 1823, he had anticipated
the surplus would be 5,000,0001. but if it turned out
that there was a surplus of 6,700,0001. In the year
1824, be had expected a surplus of five or 6,000,0001.
there was a surplus then of 140,0001. In 1825, the
excess was 160,0001. so that in the course of the years
1823-4-5, there was a surplus over the estimates of
about 3,000,C0C1. He contended he was justified
in taking together the produce of these years. If
then there was now a deficiency of four millions and a
half, and against this were placed the surplus of former
years, amounting to 3,000,0001. the real deficiency
would only be one million and a half—but during the
four years there had been advances, which would be
repaid, and the surplus for that period would be found
to be more than three millions. Government had pur-
chased a Dock, for which they had given 249,0004 but
the dues would repay them, and he denied therefore
that this should be considered as an expenditure.--
There was the Duke of Athol's annuity, which origi-
nated in this way. The Duke had a claim on the
rates of the Isle of Man, to part of which it was
weld known that Government was also entitled.—
It was thought highly adviseable to get rid of the
embarrassment by purchasing the Duke of Athol's
right, and referees were appointed. Mr. Com tenay for
tie Treasury. They decided that the value of the an-
nuity was 150,0001. but it was impossible last Parlia-
ment to know exactly when these Gentlemen would
decide, and, therefore, their decision could not be con-
sidered in the Estimates. The Revenue was an improv-
ing Revenue, now paying 5 per cent. Could this, then,
be considered part of the expenditure? Again an advance
had been made to the City of London on the credit of the
Orphans' Fund, for the building of London Bridge ;
but this advance was paying two or three per cent.
and the property of the City was pledged for ats return.
It was necessary to bear in mind, that the extraor-
dinary circumstances of the year 1826 had encroached,
in a mpst extraordinary manner,, on the Revenue ot
1827 ; which was, in fact, anticipated more than
usual; this was particularly the case in the Miscella-
neous Estimates, which, he confessed, exceeded his
estimate 100,0001. He would not attempt to dis-
guise his having been too sanguine in his expectation
of the ways and means to meet the expenditure. The
Customs and Excise of 1826 amounted to 37,846,0004
those of 1827 to but 37,446,0001. leaving a deficiency
of about 400,0001. a sum which was also determinable
from his having counted upon a bona fide receipt of
36,866 0001. whereas the actual receipt was but
36,420,0001. He admitted this was an error of calcu-
lation; but then he begged the House to take into
consideration the unforeseen events cf the last two
years—events that baffled ad controul, while they lay
beyond all conjecture ; and he was sure they would
view indulgently an error of about 420,0001. in a
revenue of thirty-seven m llions and a half—(!itae.)
He was also wrong in his estimate of revenue from
stamps. He anticipated 7,40),0001. while he only re-
ceived 6,700,0001. but he p.e4Jed even for that emu '
ills perhaps too sanguine temperament, and the extra
,r4inary circumstances alluded to. The Hon. Nlembei
01 *betty) iminuat..d that he (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) had surreptitiously jumbled up the Miscel•
I ineous Estinia es with the expenditure ot the year so
as to give a favourable aspect to the aggregate.— [I-lei e

Maberly disclaia.ed any such rosins.
fact sea', that besides his being incapsiie
artifice, he never counted the Miscellaneous
in broad statement of income or expenditure.
tainly expected 1,300,000/. from that sonic-,
it only produced 900,0001. The defalcation
case lb.() e chiefly from his having valued
suer coin which was to come to the Treasui
Ireland, in lieu of the new assimilated curt,
40140091. whereas 240.0001. worth had come
country ; but then this payment was still in
and would ultimately be equal to his val.
He committed another error—indeed, a glar,
take—in relation to his estimate of rtvenue ,
Lo: net ; he thought, as he found out errocei
that 180,0004 at least, would remain in t!
ot the Treasury Trustees at his disposal.
noticed the leading argaments of the HL
Gentleman. He confessed his errors, he stated
grounds, and was still anxious and ready to coif
House by a detailed account of the ways and
the conntry as contrasted with the expenditu.
notwithstanding the tact that there remained
net surplus of one million of income over expenditure, the
was equal to all its engagements at bowie and abroad.
its establishments upon their present footing, and to
honour unsullied in the eyes of the werld—(Clieers).
Mr. MA DKR LY explained.
Mr. HUME contended that a sufficient cs
been made out on the Right Hon. Gentleman
chewing, to induce the House to pause eta it ;
to estimates of equal amount to those of 1825,
the Revenue exceeded that of the present
2,400,0001. The Right Hon. Gentleman
that he had a net surplus of income over expenditure
of but one million, while the Act of Parliament
sisted on a surplus of five Millions to roust'
Sinking Fund. how, so far from there
surplus at all, there was an actual defict
4,570,0001. for the Right Hon. Gentleman redeemed,
it were, five millions funded debt, by actually
ing four m Ilion' and a half from the Bank of
in addition to his assumed surplus of one mil
come ever expenditure. This sum must be ,
Bank with interest ; and yet the Right Hon. Gentleman,
keeping this loan system entirely out of view,
House to agree to extravagant estimates, wit
baying previously, as the Ministers of Americ
France and the Netherlands did, laid before 0
state of the finances of the country,so that they
pot ti sn the expenditure to the ways and means
it. The Hon. Member contended, that but
annuity loans of 580,00(1 and for the funding
eight millions of Four per Cents. fast year, that
fic.ency would be much greater; and that
ters were kept out of view by the Chancellor
chequer. By the debt of the Government to
of IS millions, the country lost, to all intents
poses, 1,610,000/.; and by the system of fist,
standing debts, the country lost 140,0001. per
The Hon. Member strongly condemned the
of this country in the affairs of Portugal, par
under the distressed condition of the country.
had enough to do at borne, without making .
the arbiter of the affairs of Europe, and is ithoni
vast and unprofitable expense, seeking
Glory at the cannon's meutlx—(Great laughter.,
—The Hon. Member concluded with • moving,
amendment to the proposition of the Speakers'
the Cale—" That this House will not agree to any Notimates
the Ordnance, Army, nor Navy Departments, till the Miniv
the Crown have laid before them the 'racial accounts of
expenditure et the country for ;he current year, and -
sod Means to meet that expenditure."
Mr. BARING approved tf the principle .
soluti in of his Hon: Friend, which was in unison
the practice of Ministers in foreign countries—
same time that he must admit, it would be
expect that a Chancellor of the Exchequer
such an arithmetical juggler as to tell, d priori, to the
how much the expenditure would keep pace with the
thought without Y'sinking Fund surplus of at least five .
Government would be unequal to the accidental expenses
year.
The Gallery was about to be cleared for a division,
amendment was negatived without the House dividing
the House resolved intself into a Committee on the
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.
Sir H. HARDINGE thought it but right
that though the Estimates this year were
lower than those of last year, or of any year
the House should not expect this reduction ,
manent. The whole Estimates amounted
970,8141. being nearly 36,7771. less than
The first saving was one of 33081. (which would
the case next year) granted for raising the
Civil Officers front 70 to 80. Circumstances prevent
this augmentation taking place till next year. In the
branch of Ordnance Extraordinary, there was a saving
of 50001. In the Irish department, there was a dit•
ference of 40001. owing to the topographical survey
now going on in that country employing 200 men cf
the engineer department, who were executing a
work most valuable in itself, and most uselul to
them as members of the Army. The Estimate for
English Barracks amounted to 165,2491. heing3l,Blsl.
Ins than the Estimate of last year. This reduction
was in consequence of 25,0041, which was last 'ear
voted for the King's Mews Barracks, was not, and
would not be employed till next year. In the lush
barrack estimate there was a reduction of 7,7091. but
that reduction would cease next year, in consequence of
the necessity of building a depot for recruits. In the
Military Stores there was a reduction of 27,2001. the
estirna.e this year being but 135,2051. The supple.
mental estimates amount to 217,480/. teing,7s3ool more
than that of last year. This was chiefly owing to the
transfer of the Colonial and Military Carriage Depart-
ments to the Ordnance. In the former the expense was
increased by the building of the Quebec citadel, which
as owing to the dilatory mode of only working in the
Autumn.

-The first Resolution, that of 148,478 fur the payment of the
salaries of the Lieut.-General and other Officers of the Ordnance,
was £3,800 less than last year, by the Master-General of the
Ordnance not having accepted of any salary as such since his ap-
pointment of Commander4o-Cbief—(Hear, bear!)—was agreed to*
after a few words from Mr. Maar, who objected to the natan t.
increase of the expence of Offices In the Tower and Westminster—
from £lB,OOO last year to £48,000 this year. Those offices wept
to be consolidated in the Office In Pall-mall.
Sir H. HARDINGE denied the possibility of this, free the
limited space and number of Clerks in the Ordnance Office is
Pall.malL—Tjhe Wit Resolution, granting—
£B,2sl to defray the expences of Officers on foreign statism
58,221 for Civil Establishments on foreign stations.
3,780 for Garrison in Calcutta.
71,782 for Expences of the Royal Engineer Corps.
259,136 for Expenees of the Royal Artillery.
241,042 for Royal Horse Artil.ery.
1,241 for Field-piece Rspences.
7,243 for Medical Expences of Ordnance.
4,045 fur Royal Ac...reary at Woolwich.
156.164 for Ordnance Estimates Extraordinary.
205,1e0 fur Stores, 11 ks, &c.
Mr. HA RING asked whether, in adlition to the fortress st
claci CC, it was the intention of the Govet nment to fortify.ths hue of
use Liwieoce front the Lake °merit, down to Qr.:bee ?

11111".11111Plitellrildr. BERNAL presented Roc r, praying for
al I in the OprnActrtt, for Retrenchment.—Ordered
Sir T. D. A ICT.AND preientea a Petition from the when
rd occupier M land, tradesmexiiind others of a parish Devon-
lire. priming Ole Ileum r'ls to a due protection to the landed
•
tere...fiettleatd tote printed.

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rinhee:natesitnamainute"sit their iitra • tor
y to satisfy the lit
rs and means of
era
iiture, the amain
abroad, to %upon
mn). Hex
Rcient cave had
entlecnan's otta
ie ere it agreed
of 1823, when
,resent year by
russet admitted ,•1
trey exprnditure ofl
Parliament in• jell
to constitate a to
sere being any firs
1 deficiency of lni
an redeemed, as W
ctually borrow. tisi
ank of England, coo
ne million of in. far
st be paid to the Lit
lon. Gentlemas, pri
f view, asks the Tit
let, without his sil
)t America, of the
before them the Ar
t they might ap.
means of paying (A
but fob the life
funding of tl.e
ear. that the de.
that these mat. ggs
cellor of the Er. - Ga
em to the Bank 4:6
intents and put. 1 •
of funding out. is
XX. per *imam. am
the interfereece •
;al, pat titular. y
au
entry. Min;stets Ye
aking England
sal
1 without, at a
to
laughter.) Gs
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moving, as an ON
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listmspiistastosttstra
manta elf the tan
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drainel' cntaot
unfairtln etv;1110.
cit:there elec)ud
tipaley, be
.-4.111111
h the income. lk
mat five millions*
al expenses of *
division, bat the
dividing on it, and
the • WI
•
righttoaeextpealsincy ta
were d:
year since 1793, sit
action to be per- of
ouited ti but Ist
than last year
ch would not be . ai
the number of b
nstances present
it year. In the of
me was a saving
there was a dit•
raphical survey
ing 200 men LE
re executing a • u
most useful to h
se Estimate for r
hieing 31,8191.
This reduction
1 was last year t
was nut, and
. In the lush
of 7,7091. but
consequence of 1
ecruits. In she
of 27,2001. the
I. The supple- • I
ing,773001 more
By owing to the
arriage Depart- •
the expense was ,
!c citadel, which
working in the
the payment of the
▪of the Ordnance, ' 4
ter-General of the t
such since big ap- .
e!)—was agreed Ms
ad to the malaise
and Westminster—
Those offices ought
'a
rof this, from the it
.irdnance Office Ut •
on foreign madams.
,n stations.
see Corps.
ry.
e.
nary.
m the fortress st
to fortify.t he hue of
to Qicbee?