The Sun.
London, England, 1844-04-19 00:00:00

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In favour of a system of a2;riceltural i
first led hint Gibson) to look into the . „cno
len before that Committee. He found from the
evidence that many eminent men were in favour of
the views he now asked the House to adopt—more
ieiihpeeefoiaaerMr. G. Webb hall and Mr. Saunders.
gentleman had stated that the agricul-
tural interest were in profound ignorance as to statis-
tical information—that such information would be
of almost incalculable benefit ; ' and he had
suggested that the machinery for obtaining it might
T.l3bably be supplied by the Poor-law Commission.
had,
Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir J. Graham)
a", 43 a Member of that Committee, put questions to
witnesses which justified him (Mr. M. Gibson) in
•
, Ping that he was favourable to the motion. The
character of the questions put by the Right Hon.
Gentleman certainly justified such an opinion, for he
th
'lad particularly questioned Mr. Saunders as to whe-
er or not a good system of agricultural statistics
might not tend much to produce steadiness of price.
-";(tieer, hear.) There was a good deal of evidence
of the same character, with which, however, he would
- then trouble the House. Now he might be told
that it would be very difficult to obtain this informa-
tion,tseltoand that he was asking the House to pledge
an impracticable and wild scheme without
going into any details to show how it was to be re-
gulated and worked. But he begged to say that the
the
of devising details did riot attach to him, but to
'lle Government. It was for him to show the pro-
reipAY of the principle to the House, and if approved
it it was for the Government of the country to carry
ZhTit. They best knew what officers they had in
em service, who were most competent to undertake
duty,and upon what department it ought to devolve.
B°: aP,Pealed to the Right Hon. the President of the
arc' of Trade to allow the address to pass. It was
not n
aa,cueommon for Members of that House to move
„,--wesses to the Crown, on• which the Government
`k.equently founded measures and passed them. It
°t
hen countries he found that this agricultural infor.
Mahon was obtained; for instance, in the United
te a‘,"
vs'of America, where the Commissioner of Pa-
'As presented au annual agricultural report to Con-
gress.' It•gave precisely the same information which
wished to see furnished in this country. He might
ve told that the farmers would object to state the
amountfuti),. of their produce, thinking it involved some
e taxation, or something more than merely fur-
;liiasulag information. But a Mr. Tremanhere, who
d undertaken to procure such information in five
lt),Srishes by himself, stated, in the work he published,
tiat he found no great difficulty. He said, that
m,Lugli there might be a little jealousy at first, yet
ss"ere the farmers found it was merely for the
41,13 Ate of affording information he had' no
lir`"ension that they would refuse to give it.
pel for one, was prepared to vote for an Act of
Trliarnent to enable them to obtain this information.
eY passed an Act of Parliament to obtain a re-
'urn
le of the amount of hops when they wanted to
a duty, and an Act to enumerate the people for
l;eral Purposes. His simple object in this case was
ormatio_.
lrY
katte: He
would be strenuously opposed to
pt to impose a tax on home-grown wheat.
th? i'oPed the Right Hon. Gentleman would allow
IS resolution to pass, and not merely say that he
thw°uldtake the subject into his consideration. No-
could be easier than for every farmer in the
ieLl'ted KingdOin to make a return of the quantity of
„Ageat, barley, or oats, which he produced, and great
b;r,santage would result, from. it. Many persons
.had
aPpOSed to the taking of a census. Dr. Price,
ties, very eminent man, in writing a book on ennui
had endeavoured to show that the population of
ro's-eountry had been diminishing ever since the Re-
joTiation, and that, in 1797, it was only four or five
licus. If the census had not been taken,
itat error might never have been corrected.
int w°uld conduce to the benefit of the agricultural
ford,erests to know exactly in what position they stood;
actuated by this motive, as well as by a desire
, the general welfare of the community, he moved
I°.. these returns.. It should not be for a moment
curs were
that all those who advocated a free trade in
ituora weraenernies to agriculture; on the contrary, he
Res,t sincerely desired the prosperity of agriculture.
elinn°Ped. the Right Hon. Gentlemen would not
NTde-
acceding to his motion.
th r' E. GLADSTONE said, that although
it ele were reasons of a particular kind, which made
'nexPedient for the Government to accede to the
meti
fi,c,c on the present occasion, yet he was
.ful.ly alive
to(lbr importance and desirableness of achieving the
t;7hlch the Hon. Gentleman had in view. The
„12"
cL' Gentleman had quoted in favour of his motion
71. ion of certainly the most competent man in
dngind to give an opinion on the subject. Mr. Saun-
- st-iirs f Liverpool also thought, that proper agricultural
,c'e tistic
f.s would materially promote a steadiness of
itt • Now he (Mr. G.) admitted the full force of
remark—he felt that question was one of com-
e°zl interest—one which affected all classes of the
~:rutnunity, and was not confined merely to the corn-
-I.'_er. *He further admitted that, at present, agri-
raeiltural statistics were of a most vague and conjectu-
sjascription. Those who were importers of corn,
h".‘u, dwelt in the great seats of commercial activity,
:`,U,c means of arriving at the state of agriculture
ofl'h the isolated farmer had not. He had no means
ettehrwwing what breadth of land was sown with corn
filets Y. sr, nor what produce the crops yielded. These
usur%evere all plain and palpable enough, and he could
vernmet!e4.l,l°ll Gentleman, that her Majesty's Go-
should IT 'c't the greatest anxiety that information
raotion %Procured. He feared, however, that the
t°° °1
the Honourable Member was much
if carrrieernireaensive in its terms, and that
areenk , it would excite much apprehension
and -aff,'"e farming class that their condition
Spirit • spirit were to be scrutinised in too rigid
for would they, he feared, at least
the be willing instruments in procuring
information.in The Government had been
Nyoui°P,s that the labours of tbe Tithe Commission
112c1c)ernsieretdirnneor
this nave supplied much valuable intelligence on
corn subject. Tney had to a certain extent furnished
raetellirlic,icatiens of a satisfactory and interesting cha-
count' 'Jut they did not give any simultaneous ac-
was of the crops, and what they had now in view
eoisnt,°_t merely to ascertain what state the agriculture
system
were in at particular times, but a permanent
Feat of statietics by which the market might, to a
spoke de ',-
rev, be measured. The Hon. Member had
stifor n of Lord Sidmouth having applied for certain
rnati°ll on this subject, but those queries the
Gentleman might see were not replied to in an
pis"tife or satisfactory manner. The most plausible
of "„ of all for obtaining information was that
se the Poor-lavv Commissioners, but they repre-
infoted diti3culties towards the attainment of such
did
of it very peculiar kind. On the whole,
q.etthil not think it would be advisable for the Hon.
hopedetr,lan to press his motion ; at the same time he
reent the House would understand that the Govern-
views were not hostile, or even indifferent, to his
steps : The Government had already taken some
had In the matter, although lie admitted those steps
aot led to success. The Government did not see
what
ee,;_e means the object of the Hon. Gentleman,
yer laudable and desirable it might be in itself',
vvou'Zie carried out, and therefore he did not think it
Pled be right for the Government or the House to
if thge itself to the motion. He would feel it his duty,
latiee_ lion. Gentleman declined to withdraw his reso-
rneri, to move the previous
question. The Govern-
hr h‘vhe repeated, were anxious to promote the object
ever: in view, and would seek its attainment by
.means in their power.
11)111," RISTOPHER had no objection to the in-
woulatiion being procured, but he did not think it
th°a Possible at present to obtain it. He should,
eie, oppose the resolution.
desit;,,,•BROTHERTON did not think it would be
Pres;4l7l: mfoortiotol7 Hon. Member for Manchester to
01111_141r' motion.
GIBSON withdrew the motion,
p,w‘ue e distinct understanding that the executive
the 01;!ef the Government would be exerted to obtain
ject of his motion.
thll, other Orders of the Day were then read, and
zsouse adjourned at Seven o'Clock.

1101-14bVERTISEMENT.] THE LORD MAYOR AN. D
Stity,-,LTwAYS OINTMENT AND PILL9.—On the 14th in-
to °tunes Stanley, a gentleman's servant, residing at
(wili,Ditton, made an affidavit at the Mansion-house
(Stange his Lordship signed), to the effect that he
fe„—aleY) had had twenty-six holes in one leer and
to,rteen in the other, arid that he had been so afflicted
the two years and a half, and lately could only move by
he hose beenpintas miraculously cured by Holloway's Pills and
fltiimlnent, after a host of surgeons and one hospital bad
tl.stablish
.•-
t° give him relief.—Sold at Professor Holloway's
Establishment
244, Strand (where advice may be had
oat and by almost all respectable Chemists through-
] the civilized world. A.N
batioTztian SINGING MOUSE.—About a month ago,
they
in
Hare rYant, a shoemaker, and his wife, residing at 10,
tiltil.4l'.'eY tliought,
this city, heard, for a number a days, a bird,
singing not far from the window; but. cond-
t() el'.'g that It was 'a
bird building its nest, they continue ItbonJoY the music, but (lid not trouble themselves further..o.
tlethizr:on
at gster. One day, however, as they were sitting
at
b .side, a tiny mouse came out from a hole and i
h ame as
mo_eY egan to warble, and as the notes were te s _ .
ot..s_ theT had previously heard, they concluded that a priz-
Xir ordinary value was at large tinder their humble roof.
of tiel the fortunate tailor in London, who became possessed
i;,.‘,: first of the race, they adopted measures to catch the
',71 creature alive, and were successful ; and the curious
e n all n • 'of judgingfor themselves of the
Dowers . t)portunit)
Net of this gifted mouse. The notes are subdued but dis-
the send resemble those of the lark as it ascends towards
kftil3" with is an active little thing, and by no means
gent mauraise honte when called upon by its indul-
ehro"Zrers to favour its visitors with a song.—Gloucester
)ka,tt,A
Id.,
about ei 1 VALANCE.—Mrs. Barger, of Pe tersville,l%
fine
thildre g iteen months ago, was safely delivered of three
bam
wt.!! and the same lady, last month, presented her hus-
:. hi tip.i,,'..11 four healthy children at a birth. Seven children
o
ferturT,rl months! Middleton Valley must have a- soil ~
ttrikelat married folks will be afraid to reside there in
tbnea.--New Fork attn. ' -