The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-31 00:00:00

TFIE SUN,

wages early on Saturday evening, and then logic-
late.---(Hear, hear.) He thought that the Government
were wasting the time of the House by not coming
forward decidedly, they were delaying valuable Bills by
this trumpery discussion. He would much prefer leaving
the objects sought to be attained by this Bill to the pro-
gress of educa:ion than to leglislation.
Mr. B. WALL thought it was a lamentable position
in which the House was placed, when they were asked
to consent to a Bill like this, because it was within ten
days of the end of the session. He did not think that
this Bill was a praciicAble Bill, and he could prove
that from the evidence of the Committee on which this
Bill was founded. They had the direct testimony of
Mr. Elliot, the magistrate who had to administer the
provisions, against the Bill. He considered it quite im-
possible to carry it into working. There were points in
the Bill respecting which he should like to make some
inquiries from the Attorney-General. He should like
to know,whethenthat species of cheap unfermented beer,
which was sold at small shops without licence, would
be included in the restrictions of this Bill,
while the beer sold under licence would
be exempted ? There were already three Acts by
which Sunday trading could be restrained, and he could
see no occasion for another. Under these circumstances,
he called upon the House at any rate to postpone this
Bill—to press upon the Government the duty of seeing
that the. Sunday was properly observed. It was absurd
to suppose that such a Bill ever could become law.

Mi.ALCOCK said that, in consequence of the uncx •
peeled resignation of Mr. C. Pearson, the conduct of
the Bill had fsllen upon him. He should not attempt
to follow the Hun. Gentleman who had just sat down, or
th© Hon. and Liarned Member for Youghal, through
the whole of their arguments, but sicin!y content him-
self with asking the House to go into Conaraitt'e. Ho
supported the Bill, not en Sabbatarian principles, but
on social grounds, and he thought if the House allowed
the Bill to go into Committee, they would be astonished
to see how moderate its provisions were.
Lord ARUNDEL considered that Sunday was not a
Divine ordinance, but merely a regulation of the Church.
In foreign countries they would find that shops were
open quite as much on Sunday as on other days. He
felt very disinclined to vote on such subjects.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD considered that it
was impossible to carry this BT. It was only impeding
more useful business, and he should move that the &-
bate be aejcurned.
Sir G. PECHELL suggested that the Bill should be
withdrawn.

Mr. C. ANSTEY wished to mention that this Bill, if
it passed, would materially injure the interests of the most
respectable Su::day papers. He was rnabled to state
this from coaimunications which he had received from
the proprietors of the principal weekly papers. including
the Weekly Dispatch, Sunday Times, Illustrated London
Piews, Era, Lady's Newspaper, Lloyd's Weekly News,
paper, Weedy Times., Courier de l'Eurepe, ALA the
Leader.

Mr. IV. J. FOX said most of the weekly newspapers
had been alri,a-ly scrion:;ly injured by the recent postal
alterations, and hp thought A hard if the proprietors of
those papers were to be further prejudiced, us they would
be, under the provisions of the Bill.

Lord DUDLEY STUART complained that the. lion.
Member for Youghal (Mr. Ana:ey) had attacked this Bid
and it. 3 prumo•e s in a spini: of bitterue,s which wa,
undeserved.—(lle4r.) He (Lord Dudley Stuart) believed
that thili measure might be made a great boon to the
clas,e,,; and if the opponents of the Bill would
meet ite promoters in a candid spirit and allow it to go
into Commistee, he believed there was ample time to
carry it; hrough the Hou,3e before the close of the pre-

sent 5e5.71013.
The lions° then divide.:?, when there appeued—
Fur tLe talz:nitnent f.,r adjourning
the debate
A g4inst it

... 36

Majority ••• ••. .. —35
Mr. TIIORNLEY angees'ed that employers and
'nesters of working men in the metropnlis should pay
the mln in their employment their wages on the Friday
instead of the Saturday, as wee the pract'ce in the north,
and if that were dine forthwith in London, the House
would find that by next session there would be nu ne-
cessity fur any such Bill as this.
Mr. G. THOMPSON said he was far from sympa-
thising with the senseless and absurd crusade which had
been made against this hill. He must disassociate him-
self altagether from those Members who bad made so
wanton an attend( on the feelings of a large per-
tion of the community. This measure had never
been breught forward as a Sabbath observance Bill
at all.--e(fleara hear.) It was only a Bill for
diminishing the amount of unnecessary trading on the
day called Sunday. He denied that any cf the working
classes, save the most dissolute part of them, were against
this Bill. He had never come into contact with any
decent working man who had communicated to him
(Ur. G. Thompeon) any solid objection to this Bill, lie
submitted that this measure ought to have bean treated
with great respect, emanating as it did from those
who had shown:so wise and considerate a respect
for the foelings of their :allow-creatures.—(Hear, hear.)
If this Bill should be thrown out during the present
session, be would charge such an event upon its oppo-
neats, who lead made so bi::er and wanton an attack
upon the religious feslaigs of a large part of the com-
munity.—(Bear, hear.)
Lard ROBERT GROSVENOR denied that either the
Hon. Member fur Youghal or the lion. Member fur
Montrose was the exponent of the opinions entertained
by the workbag classes with reference to this Bill. He
had presided over a meeting of the working classes on
the subj,ct of this Bill, held in the metropolis, and at
least five to one were in favour of the measure.
Mr. W. J. FOX was at a loss to understand how it
was then that the working classes had petitioned against
it so much. In passing this Bill the House would be con-
sulting the convenience of two or three at the expense of
hundreds, and such had been the effect of the Post-office
change. He protested against the system which now
prevailed of one party setting itself up as the
judges of all :he world, and endeavouring to force
all parties to conduct themselves and spend their
time as they thought proper. He had never till now,
since he had held a seat in the Heuse, opposed the
motion for going into Committee after a Bill had
been read a second time, but this Bill contained
no principle. At all events the principle, such as it was,
would be only partial in its operation. It only applied
to such places as the New-cut ;I but if the principle were
good, why should it not extend to Hyde-park, where the
groom, the footman, and the coachman were all engaged in
working on the Sunday ? The Sabbath at the present time
was very becomingly observed in the metropolis, and
he was glad of it. It served as an illustration of the
good sense of the people, and he warned the House
not to disturb that state of things, or they might drive
the people to extremes, and produce irreparable mischief.
Mr. HEALD wished to make only one observation.
He admitted that the Sabbath to some extent was ob-
served in London, but by no means to the extent that it
was in the country, and hence the desire to confine the
operation of this Bill to the metropolis.
The amendment was withdrawn with leave.
On the question that the Bill be withdrawn,
Mr. ANSTEY announced his intention to oppose any
Bill of this sort, or for the better observance of the
Sabbath, no matter from what party it came., The House
had no more right to legislate upon this subect than it
had to forbid idolatry. This was one of those matters
which neither the House nor the Government had any
right to interfere with.
Sir G. GREY said, the object of this Bill had been
very much misunderstood. He was glad that it had
been withdrawn at this period of the session.—(Hear.)
The onl, way to obviate the necessity for passing a Bill
of this nature was the adoption of acme plan amongst
employers of paying wages on Friday instead of Satur-
day; and he really did hope the examples which had
been mentioned in the course of the debate on this Bill
would be extensively followed.
Alderman COPELAND was glad the Right HOD.
Baronet had referred to this subject, and bore his testi-
mony to the advantage which resulted from the practice
of paying wages on Friday.
The Bill was then withdrawn.
The Ecclesiastical Residences, So. (Ireland) Bill, the
Churches and Chapels (Ireland) Bill, and the Clergy
(Ireland) Bill, which stood,for second reading to-day,
were withdrawn.
The Distress for Rent (Ireland) Bill, and the Small
Tenements (Ireland) Bill, which also stood for second
reading to-day, were postponed till Friday.
WEIGHTS AND MEASURES BILL.
Sir J. DUCKWOATH said it was not his intention
this session to proceed with this Bill, though he was
fully convinced that some alteration in the law
was necessary with regard to weights and measures.
He hoped, therefore, that the Government would
introduce some measure on the subject next session, and
if they did not that they would support him in the event
of his brining in one himself. He concluded by moving
that the Bill be read a third time this day three months.
Mr. HUME hoped that no measure would be intro-
duced respecting weights and measures, except by the
Government.
After some further observations the amendment was
agreed to.

LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) (N 0.2)
On the motion for the sßeclLonljd reading of this Bill,
Mr. R. FOX was understood to support the Bill.
Mr. S. CB.A.WFORD moved that it be read a second
Ethretheomegohntthths.e
timem Mr. HUGE
dayum
Government ought to state
what course they intended to adopt with regard to the
GREY observed, that thougthhte agreedofwtihthe
sir G.
measure.
some of its previsions, he thought that
clauses were very ohjtctionable. considmeraendythe Bill
was not one which ought to receive the sanction of the
House without further consideration.
M. DICKON was understood to oppose the Bill.
Sir H. W. BARRON said the effect of the Bill was
to assimilstc to a certain extent the law of Ireland
to that of England. As the law now stood, after a land-
lord had instituted an expeosive lawsuit to recover the
possession cf certain land from a tenant who might owe
him considerable arrears of rent, the tenant might, as
soon as possession was recovered, by stealth, and by the
aid and assistance of a mob, break in upon the land
and hold it in spite of the remonstrance of the landlord.
Though this practice was contrary to all justice and
common sense the landlord could not turn out the per-
son unless he instituted a second law suit. Ia fact in
nine cases out of ten the landlord was the aggrieved
party in Ireisnd, and the leaning of persons
in authority was always against them, and in favour of
the illegality and injustice of the proceedings by the
tenantry. He would ask a British House of Com-
mons it it would countenance a state of things
which allowed defaulting tenants to carry off
crops even on Sundu)s in spite of tho remon-
straucJs of the landlord, and in the fsce of the audio-
rities, who ought to repress instead of inciting such
a proceeding. All who voted against the second rending
of the Bill would, in-fact, be parties to the continuation I

LONDON,

of this system, which had SD demoralizing a tendency on
the peasantry of the country.
Mr. REYNOLDS said the Hon. Baronet had made
an unfounded charge against his follow-countrymen of
the tcuaut class, and had said they were robbers and
swindlers, and persons guilty of frauds by whole sale.
Sir W. BARRON denied that he had used thotie words.
Mr. REYNOLDS said he clearly binders toed the
Hon. Member to call the tenantry robbers, cheats, and
swindlers, and that they who voted for the second read-
ing of the Bill would be sanctioning their conduct. He
alio had said that the Izioh landlords were a calum-
niated and oppressed class of persons, and that the
tenantry were quite the reverse. Mr. Reynaldo then
referred to the statements of the Rev. Mr. Osborne, an
English clergyman who had lately travelled through the
country, to show that this account of the Honourable
Baronet was incorrect, and that the landlords were

the oppressors of the tenantry. This Bill had, been in-
troduced to r,ive power to the landlords of Ireland for
the recovery of their rents which neither the manufac-
turer, merchant, nor trader of this country possessed for
the recovery of their 'legitimate debts. If a tenant owed
any rant, the landlord was to be at liberty to step in
and dictate to the tenant when and how he should re-
move his crops. He considered this an insulti-ag and
tyrannical measure, acd he hoped the Government would
not give it their sanction ; end be would particularly
caution them against receiving the advice of the Hon.
Baronet, who, he considered, had borne false evidence
against his country.—(Hear.)
After a few words in reply from Sir W. BARRON' and
611". HAMILTON,
Colonel RAWDON considered that the Bill bad
been introduced under false pretences, and was solely
one fur the interest and benefit of the landlore as
against the tenant.
Mr. ANS.T.EY Enid this was purely a landlord's
Bill. It had no pretensions to amend the ex-
isting law, its whole object being to give
the landlord a lien over the property of the
tenant which he did not now possess. If a tenant
was to remote his crop between sunrise and sunset
that period during which many small holders who were
labouring men could only ,attend to their farms—the
Bill would make ; him guilty of a misdemeanour.
and he would be punished with imprisonment, hard
labour, and a fine. Was tenant-right in such a satis-
factory state that they could venture to pass an unjust
and stringent measure of this kind? In the North of
Ireland, at least, lion. Members had no right to pre-
vent a tcaant removing his own property until they were
satisfied that the tenant had no interest in his holding
beyond what the pleasure of his landlord give him. He
deprecated any interference, on the part of the House,
with the view of doing away with a custom which had
worked so well for the nelaetry of Ulster.
Mrjor BLACKAIZ, supported the Bill, which he
submitted only enacted that if persons should be found
at an improper hour fraudulently carrying away crops,
they should be liable to a penalty. He asked the House
if any one could say that. teat would be an injury to the
tenant, or prejudicial to any right he might hare for
compeßsation for his improvements.
Colonel CHATTER:2ON was undeistood to say be
would support the Bill, grounding his opinion upon a
collision he h.. 1.1 once seen in Ireland in his own neigh-
bourhood between the military and a mob of persons
englged in c..rrying away crops.
Hr. P. SCROPE protested against an ex parte and a
one-sided leghlaiiun for increasing the pueers of the
landlords of Ireleeet,:especially at this period ..f the ses-
sion, and in this period of the history of Ireland, when
the Government had refused to d anything to put it
stop to the enterminating process which had long gone
on in Ireland, in evicting the tenantry from their homes
fled holdines under circumstances of such unparallelled
cruelty.—(Divide, divide.) The world stood appalled
at the number and cruelty of the evictions which were
now going on in Ireland ; and he contended that the
Government must go into the whole question of landlord
and tenant before they passed a measure like this, cal-
culated to increase the powers of the landlords.
Mr. M'CULLAGII moved that the c'ehate be ad-
journed, seeing that at that hour (twenty minutes past
tire) it was eca.reely possible for the 'lowa: to come to a

snti:..factu:y dcnision• on tho sc.,.conci reading of the B:
trjore th 4 wijounment of the Hauso.

Mr. HAMILTON trusted his Hon. Friend (Mr
M'Oullagh) would not press his motion for the adjourn,
went of the debate.

Mr. 6: CRAWFORD briefly opposed the Bill.
Mr. REYNOLDS would oppose any me mire cal-
culated to increase the power of Erie landlords of Ireland.
Captain JONES advised the Hon. Member who had
charge of tbiz, Bill to throw the responsibility of it upon
the Government.

Alec some irregular conversation,
Mr. HAMILTON said he would consent to the ad
journmen: of the debate.

Atter some observations from Mr. REYNOLDS and Sir
G. GREY, thu debate was adjourned till to-morrow.
COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL.
The House then proceeded :o consider the amendments
made by the Lords to this Bill, which were agreed to
wish a haw verbal alterations.
Clauses 17 and 18 were struck out.

In answer to a qu,ftstiou from Sir G. PECLIELL, i
was stated that tar. Lords' araeninaeuts relative to a con.
current jurisdictio❑ were agreed to.
INSPECTION OF COAL MINES BILL.

Sir G. GREY moved the second reading of tbis Bill.
Mr. FORSTER deprecated the second reading of so
important a measure at so late an hour (ten minutes
to six). _

Attcr some discussion,
Mr. WAWN moved that the debate be adjourned.
Strangers were ordered t,.) withdraw, anu the House
ivided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment of the debate
Against it

... 15
... 54

- .
Alnjorny against the adjournment ... —39
It being now past Six o'clock, the House adjourned,

FRANCE.

The National Assembly adopted on Tuesday
evening, by 3.52 to 194, the Bill on the Police of
Theatres, which re-establishes the censorship for
dramatic works. The Assembly afterwards pro-
ceeded to discuss the Orleans and Bordeaux and
Tours and Nantes Railway Bills, and decided the
question of urgency in the affirmative.

DENMARK AND THE DUCHIES.
The General of the Holstein army has issued the
following proclamation :
"In consequence of the proportionately great losses
sustained among the officers of the Schleswig-Holstein
army at Idstedt, the recruiting of this important depart-
ment of military power is at present the greatest want of
the army. To the officers of all German troops therefore
who are young and strong, and whose hearts are with the
cause which we are here dcfending,we address the summons
to repair, as quickly as possible, to Rendsburg, where
they will be sure to find a position suited to their rank
and abilities, whether as volunteers or to be definitively
enrolled. ,
" All German papers are requested to insert this pro-
clamation in their columns.

" VON WILLISEN, Commander-in-Chief.
" CluvenEteck, July 27, 1850."

GERMANY,

A letter from Berlin of the 27th says—" Things
are assuming a certain gravity. There is a talk of a
very Energetic demonstration being made by the
Prussian Government against Austria, but it is
not believed that there will be any real hos-
t;:ities. It is known that there are two notes
from Vienna. One refuses the proposition of
Prussia, to discuss at Frankfurt, in a free con-
ference, the definitive organization of the larger con-
federation. It further intimates that the public law
of Germany authorised Austria and her allies to con,
stitute themselves into a restricted Diet; and, with-
out containing a menace to send away the central
commission, it indicates a disposition of the Austrian
Government to side with those who demand the
restoration of the old Diet. This note has caused
our Government to take this day the reso-
lution of recalling its plenipotentiaries from Frank•
fort, and this will 130 doubt be followed by
the departure of all those of the Union. But, not-
withstanding the gravity of the note which has led to
this resolution, it is the second note which is of the
greatest importance. In this document the Austrian
Government protests against the troops of the Duchy,
of Baden being sent into Prussia, and formally de-
mands that the Prussian troops shall quit the
duchy, and that the Baden troops shall return
to their country. It is added—but, although
derived from a good source, this grave state-
ment requires confirmation that Austria has
threatened to march into Baden in the event of
• Prussia not complying with her demands. In con-
sequence, a Council of Ministers has been held, and
it is said that the Minister of War proposed to place
at once all the army:on a war footing. The Council,
however, objected to the expense, about 30,000,000
thalers ; but nevertheless, all preparations are
to be made to enable the army within eight
days to enter on a campaign. All this, it
must be repeated, requires confirmation, but what
appears positive is that two corps d armee are to be
sent towards Kreuznach and Wetelar, and that a
third is to be assembled at Erfurt. Everything is al-
ready prepared for the establishment of those corps
at the places indicated. The necessary lists are drawn
up at the Ministry of War, and only require the
formality of signing. The reserve is already con-
voked on the Rhine and in Westphalia."

ITALY
The Croce di Savoia of Turin announces that the
Bishops of Piedmont had received a Pontifical bull,
recommending them to submit to circumstances, and
obey the laws of the country. The King of Sardinia
and the Duke and Duchess of Genoa are at the waters
of Courmayeur, in the valley of Aosta.
A letter from Civita, Vecchia of the 20th, in the
Bologna Gazette, announces that S 4. Cernuschi has
been sent to Marseilles oa board a steamer, and is at
liberty to stay there, or to go wherever he pleases.
The Nazionale of Florence, of the 23d, states from
Rol3le, that while the Pope was passing across the
Piazza di Pasquino, a French officer, in plain clothes,
stopped to see the pageant without taking off his hat,
when a noble-guard, Count Pietro della Porta
laying hat with
his his
whip sabre..
on The
the
aggressor's Frenchman
shoulder?. A duel ensued, which, however, ended
kwithoutnvockned 121
d): by
bloodshed. hs ed . _

We learn by letters from Rome of the 19th, in the
Bologna Gazette, that eight young men arrested in