The Sun.
London, England, 1844-06-14 00:00:00

N' 14 (4, JUNE 14 1844.

Ile did not at all like the speech of his Noble Friend the
l'resid,!,t of .11. e Board Of Trade—(Liniglitter)— and
in vo?irtg--a-z-,in-it the motion of- his Noble, Friend-(Lord
Mo be only slid that whilst he disliked the
Clovernment mach, he liked his Noble . Friend less.—
(7,.; reat ~er.) it was said that the country should
tii.on foreign natioNs for the supply of
fo But, 11,-. woull ask the House, was it the way to
12,-.1;., the .0011!1'N'. independent to ruin the farmers ?
( Hear, hear ) was an agriculturist, and he did not
deny the int Which he had in agriculture. But he
be ieve.l that, t e whole object of .the tree traders was to
reduce the ,v ag,:s of the labouring people. It was the
opini,in, he was happy to say, of the great body of the.
lab,nirers Vita - they were better in their Present
condition thaa they could be under a system of
free tra le.— ( :Ivor, . hear.) His Noble Friend
had re erred to the embarrassments of our commerce,
with America. and had argued that those embarras-
ments were wing to our corn-laws and other protective
1.3-.2t was not-the !Wet notorious, that to obtain
the fu oduce of Awieriea we sent out hard dollars, and
.1;ot nid in exellange.-(Hearthear, and latighter.)
lie. fur one. Tv -odd never consent to a reduction of pro-
teeti,n to a.:Tieultaire; and he would also support the
prote,,tion of the manufacturer.—(hear, hear.) The
agriculturists v. e e restricted in many respects. They
- were prevetite,i hs' an Act' ofsrarliament from growing
tobacco.—(lie Ir, hear.) Let the free-traders take away
iliac restictioos before they attempted to make the
people (.)rthi c •untry dependent-upon foreigners for the
supply of food.
The Earl WICKLOW 'Would not intrude upon
their Lordsl,ip:, bat thought if he gave a silent vote, his
motives awl reason would
.be misunderstood. Be en-

tirely agreed in the arguments of his Noble Friend who
brouebt foi-ward this motion, but be did, not- think that
the Committe maid he granted without creating great
alarm-and ein')arrassment,—(Hear, hear.) -He must say,
h6wever, t h t lie fully concurred 'in all the opinions of
his Noble F. ice 1, and , in' none more firmly, than that
ahstraJ trine; pies must always be applied with caution.
There was ally no difference between the principles
!aid d wii by his Noble Friend and those acted upon by
the presentLGovernment. The difference was, one only
as to thee. He felt that the Government was acting so
wisely, that whilst he agreed with the theory of his
'Noble Friend, he was compelled to give in his adhesion
to h...r Majety's• Ministers, who were carrying out the
slam, theory with sound caution.—(Hear, hear.) •
The Margais of LANSDOWNE rose to support the
motion Of li's Noble Friend. He thought the Noble
Earl who had just sat down, and the Noble Duke on the
cross bench, ought to vote for this motion, inasmuch as
their speeehos were both made up
.of arguments in its
favour Th,, necessity for this inquiry was made the
more apparent by the fact that within the last five years
five klistinet failure's had taken place in attempts to ne-
gotiate With respect to out'commerce with foreign coun-
tries. lie believed that the only means of relieving the
comme- ce of this countryfrom its distress would be for
the Legislature to place it in a state •of freedom.
It was said that things which the Government had
tou.:hed were in a settled state. So far from things
being in a settled state, he believed that not many hours
had elapsed since the person highest in authority on
those snoiects declared in another place • that they were
in a- transition state with regard to sugar.—(Hear,
hear.) •That was -the comfortable state of settlement in
which they were in.—(A laugh.) In every case wherein
fitee trade principles were carried out they were followed
with the best results. The question of sugar was a most
important subject, and. the people of this country had
more right to complain of the character of the legistation
of the country in respect of it than any other subject.
This country had the most extended commerce. What
was the result of that ? It was that the labourer or
such a country was not able to consume one-half of the
sugar that was sent out to the Cape of Good Hope.—
(Hear, hear.) Yet the people were told to be proud of
a system .which took away from them the benefits of that
extended commerce.—(Hear, hear.) How was it pos-
sible they could be believed to be sincere in their legis-
lation with regard to sugar ? because while they professed
to•be gelded by. principles of humanity they yet seemed
to •consider the interests of a particular class alone.—
(Hear.) Bat lie thought that all due consideration
shoe' Ibe given to the West India interest. What they
()Livia to do was to . facilitate the introduction of
Africans into the West Indies, subject to no other con-
ditions than that they should not proceed to the West
Indies without proper precautions being taken- to pro-
vide them a suitable means of transit, and allowing
them free liberty to go back to Africa when they pleased.
He heard with great pleasure the sentiments of the
Noble Earl; and if this country arrived at a state of
great prosperity, it was, as Lord Liverpool said, in spite
of their prohibitory system.—(Hear, hear.) He should,
w th -great pleasure, support the motion of his Noble
Friend, and he recommended its adoption to their Lord-
ships.—(Cheers.)
The Earl of WINCHILSEA said that, in the present
artificial state of this country, it would be impossible to
apply the principles of free trade, however well they
might be adapted to a new state of society; but, borne
do en as they were by. the national debt, how could they
adopt the principle of free trade ? It was the
duty of every Government to encourage home
production ; • and he found that the same sys-
. tern was adopted with regard to the manufacturing
, interests of other countries. They were so burdened
wi•li tax s that protection was necessary to enable them
to pay th rsa taxes. In his opinion the home market and
the colonial market would be amply sufficient to main-
tain their prosperity' without any reference to the
foreign trade at ad. For this reason he should oppose
. the motion of the Noble Lord.
Lord MONTEAGLE replied.
Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared—

Contents— Preseilt
Proxies 37

- 75
Not Contents—Present
Proxies 94
—I 84

Majority against the m0ti0n..... —lO9
The Vinegar Duties Bill then went through Oosn.
mittee, after which their Lordships Adjourned.

110 USE OF COMMONS. June 13.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
The Gl.►'gow and Coatbridge Railway Bill was read a
third time and passed.
Petitions ag.tinst the Bank Charter Bill were prese,nted
by Col. Sibthurp, Mr. Allis, Sir John Trollope. and Mr.

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DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. •
Petitions against the Bill *ere presented by Sir H.
Tnglis, from Anglesea, and other places; by Sir R. Phil-
lips, and Sir George Staunton, from Hampshire.
COI,VILE presented petitions from Derbyshire
against the Gilbert Unions.
Mr. G aIiNE presented petitions from Hampshire
to the same effect.

Mr. IT presented several petitions against the
iisient,ma' Chapels Bill.

II AIL STORMS.

Captain I'OLIIILL gave notice that on the 2d of July
he should ask love to bring in a Bill to exempt from the
payment of st'tmp duty all policies of insurance on
Canes and farming stock against damage by hail.