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gestions that had been thrown out by the Right lion.
Baronet were of the most exciting kind. The Right
Hon. Baronet ought not to have raised the ghost of
Cromwell, to mount guard upon the revenues of the
Established Church.—(Hear, hear.)—(The Right lion.
Gentleman then read several extracts from the work
of M. Kohl, and the life of Lord Sydenham), and
proceeded to state, that the case of the clergy of ire-
land rested on the Act of Union, in which there was not
one word with respect to temporalities, but they
came to the conclusion that temporalities was meant.
It was clear to him that the word " temporalities"
would have been inserted in the clause of the Act of
Union if it had been meant. He had already occupied
the House some time with quotations, but he muit
trespass on its patience still further, by quoting from a
document drawn up in 1833 by the Marquis of Anglesey,
and addressed to the head of the Government (Earl
Grey) the Noble Lord the present Secretary for the
Colonies being then Chief Secretary for Ireland. The
Noble Marquis, whose heart was full of affection for Ire-
land—(Hear, hear)—had in that document distinctly
laid it down that the Irish Church greatly exceeded the
religious wants of the Protestant population—that it
ought to be materially cut down—and that the revenues
thus saved should be formed into a national fund to be
applied to national purposes. Here, again, was a re-
markable coincidence with the case of the Clergy Re-
serves is Canada—a coincidence which, in his opinion,
justified a similar remedy to that suggesttd by Lord
Sydenham, and applied by the Government and Parlia
meat. Let the House remember that they did not seek
for the subversion of the Protestant Church in Ireland.—
Cries of " Oh, oh, mixed with Opposition cheers.) They
did not seek its subversion, but for a deduction of its re-
venue.—(Oh, oh.) He had never asked for anything
else. He for one protested that a modification of that
Establishment was all that he had ever sought or asked
for.—(Cheers.) He felt for that Establishment, for it
was an ancient institution, and.to sweep it suddenly away,
leaving no wreck behind, appeared to him to be higly
impolitic. But, in his opinion, it was perfectly possible
to introduce salutary reforms into it, and so make it
ample for the wants of its people, and consonant
to the spirit of the age.—(Hear, hear.) Their
complaint was, that the Protestant Establishment in
Ireland was totally and inordinately disproportioned to
the wants of her communicants. This was one com-
plaint, and the other was, that the heads of the Church
were greatly overpaid for the responsibilities which at-
tached to their office, and the duties which they had to
' perform.—(" Oh, oh.") Why, were they not too highly
paid ? The Commission which had sat on Church
revenues in England had reported that 5,0001. per
annum was sufficient for a Bishop in England? Was not
17,0001. a:year too much for the Archbishop ofArmagh?
Sir J. GRAHAM—That is thegross return-14,0001.
is the not.
Mr. SHEIL continued—He did not understand these
nice distinctions on certain occasions between the gross
and nett returns. They were never -made in the
estates of your territorial proprietors. But he ad-
mitted it was proposed this should be reduced. To what?
His successor was to have 10,000/. a year. Now, they
said there was no violation of morality, no infringement
of the solemn obligation of an oath, in their contending
that 10,000/. a year was too much. Why should an
Irish Archbishop be paid more than the Lord Chancellor
of Ireland?—(Hear, hear.) Why should he be paid
more titian the Chief Justice, particularly since Chief
Justices had more onerous duties ?—(Cheers and
laughter.) Why should he be paid more than any
Judge of the land? The Bishop of Derry had 14,000/.
a year ; he agreed to give up 4,000/. of it. His succes-
sor received 6,0001. a year, but the next Bishop will
have 8,0001. That exceeded the salury of any Chief
Justice, or of any Judge. They did not ask for
these bishoprics to be suppressed ; they only asked
that they should be paid a sum more adequate to the
labours they had to perform.—(Mr. Ward here touched
the Hon. Gentleman's arm, and said " the English
bishops.")=The English Bishops had from 4,5001. to
5,0001. a year. Why should an Irish bishop, in a coun •
try where there were eight millions of Catholics and
800,000 Protestants, receive more than was thought
sufficient for a bishop in England—(Cheers)—for a
bishop in this great Protestant country?—(Cheers.) The
Member for the University of Dublin said that the in-
come of the Church, divided among all the clergy, would
only amount to 2001. a year for each. But they said,
let the number be diminished, for they contended that
where there was no congregation, the minister ought to
be suppressed. Let them reduce their divisor.--(Hear.)
At this hour he would not go into these general ques-
tions ; but there was one point to which he could not
refrain from calling the attention of the House. A re-
ference was made, by the Right Hon. Secretary of State,
to what the present Government had done for national
education in Ireland. He thought that was a subject
l'which the Right lion. Baronet ought to have avoided.
In their Factories Bill they had declared that the Church
ought to be the national instructress of the people. In
Ireland they had declared the Church incompetent to
administer the fund appropriated to the purpose of edu-
cation. In England the Church was the church of the
people. In Ireland they had gone so far as to say that
no clergyman should be promoted who was not in
favour of the system of national education.—(Hear.)
There was one observation more. It was this : the
Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) had adverted to the
Registration Bill. He did not think that the introduc-
tion of this Bill into the discussion of the Irish Church
! was so irrelevant as might at first appear. He thought
the Bill was connected with the Irish Church. Ile
thought that every measure brought in with regard to
Ireland was connected with the Church. -He regarded
that Church as the source of every difficulty. He
thought the Right Hon Baronet had not delayed the
measure from any such motive. When the Whigs were
in office, they were repeatedly taunted by the Noble
Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, and others,
that they did not venture to bring forward the mea-
sure. The Noble Lord himself then undertook the
task, and ventured upon premature legislation. When
the Gentlemen opposite came into office, they naturally
asked for a Registration Bill. In the first year they
were silent on the subject.; the second year the Noble
Member for Dorietshire declared, as Chairman of an
Irish Election Committee, that a Registration Bill was
immediately required. That year passed and nothing
was done. At length the Right Hon. Baronet announced
a Bill for this session. It had been brought in, but it
had been delayed week after week to such an extent that
now any inquiry after it only created bursts of laughter,
and the Secretary for the Home Department himself
could hardly answer the question without betraying, by
his tone and manner, that there was something peculiar
in the reasons that prevented it from being brought for-
ward. They had agreed to the reading the Bill a second
time on the Ist of July, when it was manifest they could
not pass it through the House. Did he blame them ?
No ; because when they came to legislate for Ireland
they were met with difficulties at every step.—(llear,
hear.) They might be anxious to give a fair and legiti-
mate constituency to Ireland, but they were afraid of
increas'ng the popular power, lest the Church Es-
tablishment should be disturbed.—(Hear, hear.) They
were afraid—he did not mean illegitimately afraid—but
they were most positively apprehensive that, by giving
Ireland a larger constituency, a popular power would
he increased, its action in this House would be aug-
mented, and consequently be fatal to that institution
which they so much cherished.—(Cheers.) Difficulties
met them at every step, arising from the Established
Church. They had been for ten years asking them to
make alterations in the Church Establishment, but that
House bad resisted the majority of the Irish people, and
of the Irish representatives ; when they asked for
those alterations, which events might render peremptory
—when they asked for new appropriation clauses.
With Canada (continued the Right Hon. Gentleman)
I commenced, and with Canada I will conclude; and as
in Canada you have found it necessary to act in con-
formity .with the wishes of the majority of the people,
as expressed by their representatives, and as by adopting
that principle you procure peace, and are likely to pro-
cure prosperity and happiness, if you take the same
course in Ireland the same results will follow, and if you
do not, the time may come when, amidst public calamity,
the Right Hon. Gentleman may take a retrospect of his
public life, and lament, when repentance would be fruit-
less, and contrition would be vain, that he omitted the
great occasion of winning everlasting fame, and that the
opportunity of rendering his country incalculable ser-
vice was disastrously thrown away.---The Right Hon.
Gentleman sat down amid loud cheers.

Mr. SHAW rose to explain ; but in consequence of
the noise which prevailed in the House, and the cries of
" Divide, divide," " Spoke, spoke," none of the Right
Hon. Gentleman's observations were heard.
Sir R. INGLIS rose amidst cries of " Oh, oh." He
said he resisted the motion of the Hon. Member for
Sheffield, not on the ground of any public contract, but
because the Protestant Church in Ireland was the trust
—(lronical cheers)—committed to their c are by a
generous Providence.—(Laughter.) He had made no
concessions—(Hear, hear, and ironical cheers)—but he
admittted that the Protestant Church in Ireland was
neglected.
Mr. WARD replied. He merely wished to say, in
reference to what had fallen from the Right Hon.
Baronet (Sir R. Peel) that his resolutions last session
contained no plan whatever; they merely expressed an
opinion that the Church of Ireland should be more con-
formable to justice. In introducing the question he had
felt that it was one, the settlement of which required
much forbearance and mutual concessions; and, all he
asked now was, that they should go into Commi-ctee and
dispassionately inquire into the subject.
The House then divided, when there appeared.

For the motion - - 179
Against it
Majority in favour of Ministers --!-15
The other orders of the day having been dispo 3ed of,
the House Adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.

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A GOOD NEIGHBOURHOOD WITH A GOOD ST Oct—
It has been noticed to us that in one part of the p arish of
Broadclist, on four adjoining farms belonging; io the
worthy Baronet Sir Thomas Acland, there are: n'ow re-
siding four tenants, farmers, three of whom bay e been
blessed with two wives, and the other three—in al 1 nine I
and bavigg a progeny, nearly all of whom art living,
to the number of fifty children !—Exeter Post.
THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF INDIA.—The ,General
Steam Navigation Company's packet, the Fame, ar rived at
the Chain Pier, Brighton, on Tuesday morning with
about forty passengers, by which we learn that th e Right
Hon. Sir Henry Hardinge arrived at Dieppe, after a seven
hours' pas Sage. His Excellency breakasted at the Hotel
d'Angleterre, and left Dieppe at a quarter past five on Sunday
morning for the Rouen Railway. The Governor-C ieueral ex-
pressed himselfmuch gratified with the voyage.
The British and North American Ro kal mail
steam-ship Britannia, which would leave Boston a ad Halifax
on the Ist and 3d inst., will be due at Liverpool on Friday
morning. Possibly the New York packet-ship of 'the 26th
ofvi theca r Grammarofßitc sw- school, oo l,
Leicestershire, 11,.l c)nm ou t h
ult., the Sheridan, may reach Liverpool before her..
The Rev. George Monnington, 8.A., h( ;a& master
aof the late
ida) • elected
Rev. James Powell, 55 years 'inwatshoenr3oroorm
incumbent of that pti;
innts—Tho Haberdashers' Company of London.