The Sun.
London, England, 1850-08-10 00:00:00

ITALY.

The Risorot'imento of Turin quotes a letter from
,Civita Vecchia of the 21at ult., stating that the
Spanish Ambassador at Rome had made serious re-
presentations to the Ecclesiastical Court, fur having
so suddenly conceded the dispensations required for
the marriage, of Count Montemolin with his cousin;
but that Cardinal Orioli answered that the affair was
not at all submitted to the court, but was settled in a
private interview between his Holiness and the
Countess of Spur. Tne same letter states that the
Chapter of the Order of Dominican Friars having
assembled to elect their general, his Holiness unex-
pectedly stopped the proceedings, and by his own au-
thority, contrary to the statutes of the order, named
:Father Jeandel, a French Dominican, now living in
France. It is believed his Holiness intends remodel-
ling the constitutions of the religious orders, and to
do away with the system of election, as being too de-
mocratic.

The Opinione of Turin, of the sth, states that the
Austrians are forming a new camp at Somme, and
that recruiting is actively going on in Switzerland
for Rome and Naples.

• One troop of Horse Artillery, with separate elephant
transport ; two 54-inch mortars carried on one elephant ; two
companies 60th Rifles; two companies 61st Foot; two com-
panies 98th Foot ; 231 Native Infantry (Commander-in-
Chief 's escort); 31st Regiment Native Infantry ; 15th Irre-
gular Cavalry; Ist Infantry Regiment, let Cavalry Regi-
ment, Yanjaub Irregular Force.

THE ARMY AND NAVY.
(From the United Service Gazette of this day.)

SUN,

Saunders, C. H. Houghton, C. R. Chamberlain, and St.
George C Davis, to the Dauf,t'ess; W. M. Jones, An-
drew M.Farlane (second), G. H. Hewlett, Samuel Ste-
vens, to the Retribution.

..The f)llowing gentlemen passed for gunnery on board
the Excellent, on Thursday morning:—Lieut. Jones. late
of her Majesty's ship Howe; Lieut. Majendie, late Ven-
geance; Me:srs. Campbell, Green, Gray, Pearson, and
Lilaklston, late flow,-; adison, late Exe.-11eLt; Peebel/,
late Amphitrite. Lieut. Jones and Mr. Pearson ob-
tained the full numbord, and all the other gentlemen re-
ceived first-class certifleat, s.

ADMIRALTY CHANGES.—It is DOW Asted that Rear-
Admiral Berkeley will not leave the Board of Admiralty
for the Superintendentship of Portsmouth Dockyard, vice
Prescott, who it is reported will relieve Admiral Hornby,
in command of the Pacific S:ation. Admiral Beikeley
is M.P. for Gloucester, and in the event of a new elec-
tion, it is not certain that the Government would have a
supporter in the new member.
CHANGE OF QUARTERS.—The Household Brigade of
Infantry will charge quarters on the 4th of September,
as tollows;—Grenadier Guards, Ist Battalion, from Chi-
chester to the Tower ; 2d Battalion, from St. John's-
wood to Portman-street ; 3:1 Battalion, from tie 'rower
to Chiches,er. Coldstream Guards, lit Battalion, from
Portman-street to Windsor ; 2d Battalion, from St.
George's Barracks to St. John's-wood. Scots Fusilier
Guards, Ist Battalion, from Wellington Barracks to St.
George's; 2d Battalion, from Windsor to Wellington
Barracks.
74TH HIGHLANDERS.—Tbere is veey little doubt but
that Major General Lighttoot will succeed to the Colo-
neley of this rqtimenr.
17TH LANCERS.—On the removal of his Royal High-
ness the Duke of Cambridge to the Guards, it is under-
stood that Major-General Bourchier will succeed to the
Colonelcy of this regiment.
BOMBAY CO3IMAND.—On the appointment of Lieut.-
General Sir ‘Viiliam Gomm, EL,C.13., to be Commander-
in-Chief in India, Major-General Sir John Grey will
'succeed him in the command of the Army of the Bom-
bay Presidency.
SCINDE PRI= MONEY.—We are glad to End this
long expected booty is about to be issued; the un-
claimed shares of the 22d and 28th Regiments will com-
mence distribution by the Commissioners of Chelsea
Hospital on the 21st of AW/Rst.
PUNISHMENT IN MILITARY' PRISONS.—A Memo-
randum from the Horse Guards, dated 18th July, ex-
plains, with reference to the Circular Memorandum of
the 24th May last, that corporal punishment is to be in-
flicted within the military prisons only in ca,ei is which
the sentence has been mitigated by commuting a p-Irti,,n
of it for an additional term of imprisonment, agreeably
to the provisions of the 27th cle.use of the Mutiny Act;
but that when any part of the sentence is remi•ted, or
forgiven, without substituting additional imprisonnier.t,
the remainder of the corporal punishment is to be in.
flitted in the usual manner on the parade.
STAFF.—Captain 89rh Regiment, has been ap-
pointed a staff officer of Pensioners.
JAMAICA STAFF.—Lieutenant Bancroft, recently ap-
pointed lathe 16ih Regiment from the 75;b, and lately
on the staff of Lieutenant-G.,neral Berkeiey at Ilirbs-
deep, has been appointed Aide-de-Camp to Mijer Gene-
ral Banbury, commanding the troops at Jamaica.
DRAFTS FOR INDlA.—life ship Vernon has been en •
gaged by the East India House to convey detachments
from Gravesend to Madras, on the 10th of September.
THE RECEIVING-SHIP OFF TUE TOWER.—The Old
Perseus, which has been stationed fur the last thirty-
two years off the Tower, and used as a receiving-ship
for buys and men entered for the naval service, has been
towed to Deptford to be broken up, and has ben re-
placed by the old donkey-frigate Crocodile. Is is calcu-
lated that above 100,000 men and boys have passed
through the Perseus.;
Captain Ellice, R. N., Comptroller-General of the Coast
Guard, has returned to Loudon, from his tour of inspec-
tion of the west coast of England. _

REP.LIIILNO USELESS SHIPS,—We regret to bear that
so useless and expensive a ship as the 8 gun sloop Fer •
ret is ordered to be repaired; she is fit fir nothing but to
be broken up. Her cla,s has been superseded by
steamers. It will cost 5,000/. to repair, and to expend
this sum on her is like thro piing goud money away. For
as much more the Admiralty, going economically to
work, could get a small steamer that would be wurth a
dezan rotten, uneasy working brigs like the Ferret.

SHOT PRACTICE PROM THE EXCELLENT.—Capt tin
Milne, from the Admiralty, arrived at Yortsmouth on
Thursday morning, and was enapolyed on official busi-
ness in the dockyard on Thursday and yesterday. He
went on beard the Excellent on Thursday, t, witness
some shot and shell practice at the new butts, under the
stiperift-mdenee of Captain Chads. A number of per-
cussion shells invented toy Captain Moors ‘m. and otner
concussion shells invented by Mr. Moore, of the Artil-
lery, that have been recently tested at Woolwi :h, were
also thrown at the new wood buttJ, at the distance of
500 awl BJO yards. The iron butt with the timber
tic athing outside the iron was atm fired at yesterday,
as we home stated—the ok ,sheathing plank is three,
four, and six inches in thickness. Three shoots were
fired yesterday—two solid 32-pounders, and one 8 inch
hollow shot. We understand the planking had not the
desired effect of preventing the shot tram breaking to
pieces, and the hollow shut was completely stn oohed.
Further practice took place to-day; but we have nut
heard the result. The shells were very correct in their
tru9'ing and the practice is correct.
MELANCHoLV ACCIDENT —Yest rola)/ morning, elauut
eight o'cLoek, Mr. Johu Woisun R ,gers (go andson of Mr.
Wilson, late draughtsman at S otnerset 11 .use), a clerk
in the storekeeker's-offic4 at Wooolwich-yard, was pro-
ceediug down the river in a boat, when it upset, and he
was untortunat-ly drown.d. she watermal was pick. d
up by the boat of the Trinity, dredging vessel. lying
below Barking Creek. Tne unfortunate young gentle-
man was about nineteen years of age, and very much
respected in the yard.
The rotary ene,ine, upon Captain the Hon. W. E.
Fitsmaurice's plat-, recently under trial at Woolwich, i*
to be sent to Dep,ford.
By the death of Lieutenant Harris, agent of the Pcin-
cess Royal transport, an out-pensioner of Greenwich
Hospital has become vacant.
Apollo troop-ship, Commander Rtwstorne, is being
surveyed at Portsmouth. She will toe refitted, and will
resume her services as a troop-ship. There are no
orders for paying off.
• Camel lighter, Faber master, has returned -to Devon-
port from Looe, after laying down moorings at that
port.
Perseus, Lieut.-Commander Greet, was paid off at
Deptford yesterday; and the Crocodile is to be commis-
sioned today by Lieut. Greet.
Princess Alice, Dover steam-packet, is to have her
iron bottom coated with Mr. Hay's composition.
Tiger stcamer has been fitted with her engines at
Deptford, by Messrs. Penn, and wilt proceed to Chatham
on Monday.

SWINGING SHIPS AT DKVONPORT.—The newly-ap-
pointed Qieen's Harbour Master, Mr. Thompson, is or-
dered to perform the duty of adjusting the compasses of
her Majesty's ships at Devonport, and with this view
has b.en put into official communication with Captain
Johnson, of the compass department, at the Admiralty.
The Admiralty have ordered that the divisional ships
of all the ordinaries stall hoist the pendant.
CAMBRIDGE BARRACKS, PORTSMOO I H.—Plans and
specifications are now under the consideration of the
Board of Ordnance, to building a new barrack on the
site where this barrack now stands, to accommodate an
entire regiment of 900 strong.
THE IRON STEAMERS.—The Admiralty have this
weekliseued orders that all work on ill, iron steamers
is to be suspended until tnrtner instructions from thsir
Lordships.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH FLEErS IN

Tortoise lighter arrived at Woolwich yesterday af-
ternoon from Holyhead and I)evonport.
Victoria and Albert royal yacht, Captain Lord A.
Fit=lark-nce, returned to Ptirtsmouth from Osborne yes-
terday afternon, and will remain till Monday, when she
returns to Cowes Roads.

DEVONPORT, Auc. B.—Our annual rowing regatta,
was to have come off yesterday. The morning was
fine, and a good day was anticipated, every preparation
made, and the sport actually commenced, when it came
on to rain, which continued all day and entirely put a
stop to all. Bills were printed seating that it was to
come off on the first fine day; a flag was to be hoisted on
the column, and the sport was to commence at one P.M.
this day ; but there hus been no chance, as it has been
hard rain all day. -
PORTSMOUTH, FRIDAY.—The Britannia, 120, advanced
slip, had her main sod mizen masts stepped to-day.
As soon as the Admiralty minute was promulgated
here relative to the award if the privilege of the ward-
room to assistant-surgeons, Captain Sir Henry Black-
wood, of her M jesty's ship Vengeance issued an order
that the assistant-surgeons of the Vengeauce should
take their seats in the ward-room.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
BETTING AT M. iNCHES rER.-FRIDAy.

The Wolverhampton Stakes in former yfara has al-
ways been an intercstieg betting race, but up tr this
date this ycar'a has be: n s,arcely noticed. The afers to-
day were 5 to 2 ag.t Backbiter, 3 to 1 agit any of Daw-
son's four, aid 5 to 1 agit John of Berwick or The
Castle; a few fivers were pat on the two latter, but
nothing done on the others.
EllOll. HANDICAP.-5 to 1 ago Collingwood (taken to
501. or 600-6 to 1 offered agst Canasou (take 7 to 1)-
6 ti 1 ag.t Cantab (taken to 25L)-10 to 1 agar any

THE NEWMARKET SPRING MEETINGS, 1851.

In c,nscquence of the late period et which Ester will
f4II next year, the stewards will rec.iminfnd w the.
Jockey Club at their next meeting, th.,t the Craven 1851
shall commence a fortnight b-hpre Eds'er. By this ar-
ran;ement the Newmarket Spring Meetings, Epsom, and
licot will fall ai under:—

en.y:n M« etio g Monday, April 7.

First Spring Meet. (Easter Mund.) M"ndaY, April 21,
Second Spiing Meeting Tuesday. May 6.
Epsom Tuesday, M 20,
Ascot Tuemlay, June 3.

NEWMARKE r OCTOBER MEETING, 1850,
rUES DA Y. ,---Match, 200, h It, T.Y.C.— Mr. Roles Col
lingwood, Sit 9;b, ogit Lord Walifl)wer, 631.

SECOND OCTOBER MEETING, 1850.

The tn,.tch between J,,tin o'Gro4t and DAcoon, on
11.miday, is eff by consent; and The Beehunter receives
50 sovs fe,m John o'Groat on Friday.
THE LEAMINGTON STAKES.—Captain Hervey, who
named Air. Gleo's Dims6k for this event, on Monday
coma:tunic ilea to him his intention to strike him ou.;
an] at Brighton, about half-past four o'clock on We tnes-
day, did so in writing, to Mr. 'Weatherby. Mr. Glen, we
believe, denies the eaotnit.'s right to scratch him.

RACES T'
♦UG

Wolverhampton l2
Eglinton Park
Reading ... l4
B9ul gne l4
Loa ea l4
Grit Yarmouth 2O
flaky
Plymouth
York . 2l
Barnet 2l

SEPTE
Warrick .. 3
Weymouth 4
Morpeth
Lincoln
Rochester
Western Meeting 5
Bungay
Lichti4d
R idcliffe
Werneth Low 9
Cheadle (St ifforchhire) 9
Leicester ll

ocTo
Newmkt. First Octolrr 1
I
Chesterfield 2
Chester Autumn 8
Royal Caledonian, &c 9

0 COML.

UsT.

Tunbi Lige Wells
Stirling
Eccles
Stuurbridge
Derby 27
Taunton
Cnalk Farm 27
Egh am
Canterbury 29
Paisky
;MBE&

Liverpool H. (Hoylake) 11
Towns
Lynn
Dover
Basing6toke l2
Doncsiter
Richmond
Bedford . 24
S tudbach , 24
Manchester Autumn
Scarborough

mu:L.
I Newmkt. Second Oat 14
Wrexham
I Ne*market Houghton 2B

THE MOORS.

.A 8 the 12th of August approaches, so increase the
bustle and excitement of preparation for the moors on
that day—a day which begins the annual recreation of so
many toil-worn men of state and business. For the last
week every variety of sporting appointments, from the
stout Highland germ, to the active, panting setters and
pointers, have been hurrying on to shooting quarters.
As usual at this season, Mr. Snowie's shop is the hourly
resort of crowds of anxious sportsmen, eater to give end
hear news. We have a number of notes from gentlemen
and gamekeepers, not written expressly to give infor-
mation of the coming season, but simply appended to
matters of business. One of our most celebrated sports-
men stated, in the end of July, that there are two distinct
breeds of grouse this sees-in. He raised a young bird so far
grown that it had a black tail, which was remarkable so
early. He alio put up birds that could scarcely fly, the
hitter evidently the produce of a second hatchin4 ; the
first having been d-siroyed by the snow in May. For
a considerable circuit about Inverness the young
birds will generally b 4 on the 12th in two sets OT
broods, one set strong as old birds, the other cheepers.
A hill-wat..her, whose days and yi.ars are spent
among grouse, told u 4 in his own manner, that
"he was thinking it was to ba a good season, fir
there was more birds he had seen sinus ten y'ers
He had one grouse nest with seventeen eggs. and he was
seeing the covey with just as many young birds in it."
A correspondent in Sutherland writes—The young
grouse, although far from being numerous, are expe ted
to be strong and plump to a degree beyond
ordinary." Next week we hope to be able to
record the contents or many good bags, and ta
publish a long list of sporting residences. There
has already been some good shots in the deer
forests. We have seen a stag's head with 13 anglers,
shot by Mr. Ker, ison at Inverinate, and a large wide-
spread stag's head from Loch-Carron, one of two stags
shot by Sir Arthur Chiche,t r. A stag was shot last
week at Durirobin, by Lord Ellesmere, which weighed
28 stone. On Saturday, 27th ult., Mr. Frank Mackenzie
brought down a stag at Applicross.—lnverness Courier.

THE MEDITERKANKAN.

The following is given as ice c.maparative strength of
the French and Engliih fleets in the Medi terraneau :
Eoglish. French.
Caledonia
Qieen ll6 Palmy
Powerful . B4 Jemappe
Ganges
Superb
Bellerophon ....,....... 78 Jupiter 9O
lutlexible
Steamers. Steamers.
Hogue (screw)
Terrible 2L Descartes .

Firebrand
Scourge ••• 6 Dariea
Growler 6 Caton
Spiteful

The French ships enumerated above form the fleet,
ordered to Cherbourg to be reviewed by the President of
the French Republic. Another division, however, will
ling-of-battle
a
remain in the Mediterranean and at Cherbourg. It is
t flt i ieeostihnigpahlp
will. be a a
reinforcedt
Toe sea-g ' ' present in the English home
ports are—
rrafaigar ... l2O Sheerness.
Albion 9O Devouport.
Vengeance ...
4824
pPoorrtstscamuouutthh:
Fox
for the East Indies.
Thetis BB Devouport.
Trincomalee
Dauntless
Retribution 22 Portsmouth.
Dragon
6 Portsmouth.
...
1 Portsmouth (screw), for the
Niger
Inflexible 6 Sheerness, for the West Indies.
Salamander 6 Devonport, for the East Indio t.
But the line-ot-battle ships tif_VVICA COMMIS-
are only l
sioned ships and have only a coupe of hundred martn*l3
on board of each, and about 150 utficers and blue jaukets.
The others are fitting for foreign station-7, or tor the
exercising squadron.

COURSE u.

Anisterovn 12 I}i
Ditty, three months .. 12 2X,
Rotten:la-a •• .• •• 12 2'h
‘-ntwerP • • ............ 25 GO
Brussel., 25 60
tbstatturgh . •2.1.8. 13 10.1;
r.tris, 3 a Ays'itght .. • 25 40
Ditto. 3 months 25 GO
............ 25 62%
Bot.•
rdeaux.. .
leranlzfort on Maine.... 120%
✓ienna, enc. to ••• • • • 11 55
rtir•te,ditto....••.... 11 80
67!,s
kuoria •••••••••••••• 45%
sag •• •• •• •• •• >co •• 50
Isarcelo:l2. • • ......
rievillo••••••••••

EXCHANGE.

Gibraltar • • • •• .• • • •• ••
t.eghorn .............. 30 70
'ie11011•• •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 26 U
ritlan .. • • .. • ..• • • • • ••

Venice..
gaples .............. 4014
Palermo, per0z........ 121
Aessina 122
43%
Isioorto ••.. • • .... ••.. • • 53%
ttio Janeiro ..........

Inenos Ayres .. ••.. ••

Sew York,6oilayo'sight
..... .

APPOISTMEItiI.
Lien'. G. A. Wilios (t 844) Ft,:i of tie lit 3 CaPt434
of
the Vezguard, .80, and who ably CCiraimanded the t4vt
I:re, zteam-Tetliel, in tile Uediterre,nean, itas been I:.p-
-pointed first-lieutenant to the Retribution steam-frigate,
at Portsmouth, and joined his ship yesterday.
Lieut. J. S. bs.rell (1846) has also been appointed to
the Retribution.

V3ICVS OV 81ILLION', P!1 oz.
Tora!gn Geld in Lars.. £3 17 9
?crttgal Gold Coiu .. 0
ania7l Dor,1•100:13 . • 0 0 (i
New Dollar* ...... 0 4 101.‘
411ver In bare ...... • . 0 4 11%

DEATH OF MR. PRITCHARD.--We regret to an-
nounce the death of this gentleman, who was so long a popu-
lar actor on the Edinburgh boards, which he latterly lett to
become manager of the Theatres Royal Leeds, Hull, York,
&c. Mr. Pritchard had been in feeble health for some time,
and died on Monday last.— Carlisle Journal.—[Mr. Pritchard
was favourably known to the metropolitan play-going public
by his performances at Covent-garden some ten years since.
KINGSTON.--Arrd. Wave, Alpin, St. Jvhn's, New
Brunswick.

Moriarty, who was appointed mast' r of the Dra-
gon, 6, steam-frigate, has been transferred to the Retri-
bution, and Mr. Francis Edington (1841) has bean ap-
pointed to the Dragon, vice Moriarty.
Chief Engineers—Alexander Langlands, to Dauntless
screw-frigate, Portsmouth; Edward Casaey, to Retriuu-
don, steam-frigate, Portsmouth.
Assist:Ant Engineers—James Taylor, E. Deely, John

LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, AUG UST 10, 1850.

RAILWAY SRARE MARKETS.
BRiSTOL. AtG. 9.

STOCV EXCHANGE. —The market does not show any
improvement to-day, either as regards the amount of husin-ss
done or the prices, whi h still have a tendency to fall. The
transactions were principally confined to Great Western
and Bristol and Exeter, without any alteration in prices.
LIVENP•JOL, Anu. 9.

STOCa EXCITANGE. —There was a moderate business done
to-day, and prices were firm. The transactions were as fol-
low Lancashire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 9 7-16 dis.
London and North-Western, IA 11/9 c —Ditto, New Quarters,
p. —Ditto Fifths, 1 p.— Ditto, Quarters (C), I►,!g p. -
Midland. 33,4—Ditto, Halves, 244, dis.—Shrewsbury and
Chester (Oswestry and Chester), 6►,g -• South-Eastern and
Dover (No 4), Registered, 4%—Ditto, Thirds, s—York
and North Midland, 16%—Yolk, Newcastle, and Berwick
(G. N. E. Purchase), 6 per cent, till 1,450, 5 dis —Bolton,
illackburn, Clitheroe, and West Yorkshire (No 1), 4.
MANCHESTER, Ara. 9

STOCK EXCHANGF„—The sh re market to•day was
very dull, and prices were rather weaker.
BIRMINGHAM, AuG. 9.
Srocx EXCHANCItt—The share market was dull and in-
active to-day, and prices are rather depressed.

I.ZussIAN GRAIN.—A vessel belonging to Meek-
lenburgh, which has just arrived from Riga, has
brought ¶B.OOO quarters of oats, the produce of Russia.
This, cargo of oats, which is admissible for home u•e under
ihe repealed navigation laws, is probably the large6t which
has ever been brought on one occasion from foreign
countries.

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MARSALA. WINE.—A vessel arrived in the docks
from Marsala, has brought the following large quantity of
this description cif wine, preferred by some as a light
dinner wine, viz., 114 pipes, 130 h:sgsheads, and
418 smaller casks, besides other articles, the production
of the place.
PLTWORTH.—The harvest has commenced pretty
generally in this neighbourhoo.i. We are sorry to report
that the potato crop is very much blighted.—Brighton
Gaculte.

long his services, could receive more than 701. a year.
By a recect regulation 10/. a year additional :Light be
added after five years' ber vice, but beyt.nd that there
c,tuld be no augcaet,tation. The other point he would
tAvert to had referenea to the apptinimeat of Mr.
tiler, from Edinburgh, to the head clerkship of the Money
Order-etfice. From what the Nobl, Marquis had stated
on ferm,:,r occasion, it would be inferred that the other
clerks in that office had been passed over on account of
incotnetence. That, howev,r, noun hardly be thecae,
since it had been rettres.nted to him that the vac,tnt
‘itua•ion had b,?ern off,reti to thee of the cl-iks in
that office, if they vi,nild consent to retract certain state-
ments in a memorial to which they had attached their
11t1MC:4.

The Marqtai of CLANRICARDE replied, that with
rt'gard to the first point, relative to the clerl;4 in the
probationary class, the Noble girl was port. ctly correct
in his statement. With re3pect tj the pro/notion of Mr.
Farmer. he could only say that no offer had ever born
made, with hie sanction, upon any conditions. to any
clerk in the ofnee, nor did he believe that Mr. 11,1wland

Ilil! would have sanctioned such uu off-r. lie dui not
think that the promotion of Mr. Firmer could be sop-
posed ca4t tiny di,:cre.lit upon the cfriks in tho
Money Order-oftie,; but he believed, under all the ei r-
emu:it:4'l,2,s, that that gentleman was the bent qualified to
fill the place.
The matter then droppei.
The P&ice Superaunus.tioa Fend Bill was real a
sc..ond time.

Tee, Summary Jurisdiction (Ire!arid) Biil, and the
Grand Jury Cess (Irehl,d) B 11, severaliy went through
Committee, and, he other Bills on thn table 11:iving• been
forwarded a st4go, the House adjourned anti One o'clock
to-morrow (this day).

HOUSE OF COM .VIONS, Auguqt 8.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
CRIME AND OUTRAGES ACP (IRELAND)

CONTINUANCE (No. 2)

On the motion th at the 11;use do resolve itself into
Committee on this Bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the Bill be committed
this day three months, and, in doing so, saad he did not
intend to repeat anything which he had stated before,
but merely wished to appeal to her Majesty's
Government, after they had bad another night
for reflection, whether they really meant to
persevere with the measure, and to inflict
another gratuitous insult and injury on the
country. He scarcely hoped to succeed, although he
believed he ought to succeed—(A laugh)—because the
accounts which had been received by the last post Irian
Ireland corroborated what he had already declared, that
peace and order prevailed throughout the country. Some
of the advocates of the Bill stated that the satisfactory
state of Ireland was entirely owing to its
operation. He did not believe any such thine,
but he would like to know, if the Bill was
passed on that ground, when the powers which it con-
ferred were to cease.—(Hear; hear.) It the order and
peace which prevailed was assigned as a reason fir con-
tinuing the Bill, it might be assumed with good reason that
it was to have a perpetual existence.—(hear.) When
the Bill was introduced in 1847 they had a long list of
crimes and outrages, and they were told if the
Bill was not passe), that there would be
an insurrection in Ireland. The Bill accordingly re-
ceived the sanction of the House for a period ef three
years and a half. It had now been three years in exist-
ence, and peace and good order bad been secured, and
he would ask the English and Scotch Members, who
voted for the Bill in 1847, if they were pre-
pared to record their votes in favour of its
continuance? The Bill, in his opinion, was unnecessary,
unjust in principle, and he was, therefore, bound to
take the earliest opportunity to divide the House on the
motion that the Speaker do leaveAhe chair.
Mr. G. THOMPSON opp ised the Bill, which he
said he had objected to when it was first introduced.
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir G. Grey) could not
have forgotten that, on the occasion of introducing the
Crime and Outrages Bill, he used the significant words
that the measure he then proposed was one merely in-
tended to lessen the amount of evil that had grown out
of the then state of the relations between landlord and
tenant, and that it would be the wish of the Govern•
ment to introduce such measures thence!orward
as would be calculated to remove the evils arising
from that reiationship.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr.
Thompson) could not recollect a single measure
which had since passed that House calculated to
remedy those evils. Under those circumstances could
he, as au English Member, vote with any party in that
House in favour of the contiuuance of this moat
insulting Act ? Had they not had it paraded
even from the Throne itself, in the gracious speech
of her Nlajesty herself, that she was received in
Ireland with one universal burst of loyal feeling ? And
did not the recent assizes in Ireland show that there was
less of crime and outrage there than bad been the case
within the memory of man ? Why then, user these
circumstances, were they called on to continue those
most extraordinary, not to say unconstitutional powers?
tier Majesty's Government might have sufficient reason
fir %wishing this Bill to pass, but they had net
condescended to assign any reason for passing
it. The only reason assigned was that Ireland was now
tranquil, and that tranquillity was owing to the exercise
of the extraordinary posers conferred on the Lord-
Lieutenant by the Crime and Outrage Act. That was
an argument that would do for all time and for any
country; and it would justify the passing of a similar
Act for this country.—(Heur, hear.) lie did say the
time was now come to allow that Act to expire, and for
'he House to show that they had some faith in the Irish
people.—(Cheer-.) The disaffection which gave ri-e to
the Crime and Outrage Act did nut now exista—(Heue,
hear.) The individuals that promoted it were nut now
in the country; and the press tact fomented net dis-
affection was utterly extinguished, or if not extin-
guished, had greatly modified its tone. He should
support the Right Honourable Gentleman ( Mr. Rey-
nolds) in the motion he had made, and he asked
the Members for Ireland on this occasion to
do their duty.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr, Thompson)
saw a state of things yesterday which was discredieshie
to the Irish Members. Out of 105 Irish Members, 33
only were within the walls ut that House—(hear, hesr)
—considerably less than one-third of the entire repre-
sent ttiou of that island, when a measure was under dis-
cussion affecting the enjoyment of constitutional govern-
ment in that country.— (Hear, hear.) He called on
Irish Members to do their duty on this occasion; it
was nut even now too late for them to do so; and
he trusted that the House would 'not give its sanctum
to so wanton an outrage on the, constitutional liberties
of the people of Irelaud as was contemplated by this
Bill.

Mr. AGLIONBY had always taken a lively in-
terest in the elf Sirs of Ireland, and he felt he was acting
as consistently as the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat
down by giving his support to this Bill. It was only a
measure of continuance for a time of an Act which hal
worked moat beneficially in repressing crime and out-
rage in Ireland.
Mr. MOORE rf,minded the Hon. Gentleman (\lr.
George Thompson) that when the Irish Members made
their first stand against this measure they had neither
the voice nor the vote c,f that Hon. Gentleman.

Mr. G. THOMPSON explained that ho was ill in
bed on that occasion, or he would have been but too
happy to have attended in his place to oppose the
measure.

On c;aust• 1,

Sir T. O'BRIEN believed in his conscience that this
Bill was not called for in the present condition of Ireland.
Mr. ANSTEY thought the conduct of the Hon. and
Learned Member for Uockermouth was most extraordt-
nary. He had always before voted along with the late
Mr. O'Connell against coercion Bills, even where there
was a much greater need of them than at pre-
sent, and now they found him supprting the whole
plan of Government for oppressing Ireland, even
when he acknowledged that he was perfectly ignorant
of any circumstances which called for it. The real
question at issue here was, whether the present state of
tne law was not sufficient to meet all the present cir-
cumstances of Ireland. and he contended that it was the
duty of the Government to prove that it was not. He
did not deny that there were murders in Ireland, but he
did not think that there was anything which cited for
such strong measures. He did not doubt that the
amendment would be lost, but he for one would give it
his general support. _ _

Sir GEORGE GREY said, that though the opposi-
tion to this Bill had been very great, he must say
that the Honourable Member for the Tower Hamlets
had been just to Irish Members. Their oppo,drion to
the Bill had been strenuous certainly, but still
honest. and straightforward. The Bill which had
come down to that House from the Lords had been laid
aside, arid leave moved for to bring in another Bill; on
that occasion, unusual as it was, great opposition had
bean offered to that, and to every subsaqaent stage
of the Bill. The Hon. Talemtier, after such repeated
dehives on the Bill, seemed enttiety to have mistaken
the onjects of tha Bill. The lion. Gentleman seemed
to think that the Bill, when originally introduced, was
to repress disaff.ction in Ireland, and he argued, after
the loyal rees-ption which her Majesty had mel, with in
her late visit, that there was no inure occasion fur
it. The Honourable Gentleman ought to have
known that this Bill was not introduced to repress
Political agitation, but it was enacted with reference to
the system of assassination, which wus unfortunately
so prevalent in that country. He must also beg to re-
mind the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Anstey) that ho too had taken a wrong view of
this BM. Ha seemed clearly to consider it as
analagous to the Coercion Bill, a; it was called.
The Bill, in fact, was a necessary substitution for a I3ill
of still more stringent provisions. He must say that he
thought there had been quite sufficient opportunity fur
discussion on this measure, and he hoped the House
would now allow them to go into Committee.
Mr. W. J. FOX con,idered that the system of evic-
tion was the root of all Irish evil. lie considered that,
as the prevalence of crime and outrage was a reason for
the extraordinary powers in 1847, so the great ciaii-
nution of crime and outrage in 1850 was a reason why
t'aey should leave Ireland in this matter to the
regular operation of the laws and cansti,u-
tion of the country. But there were ()thee rnk w ,ores
of amelioration necessary for the I.e aa,s and Orasp-rity
of the country. He thought that eucouragement ou,ht
to he liven ta the ditLion of 1.:•.,.,1‘?:ay ia a eeimtrV
of t'ae
' had nut been put on tho sarn, l+vel as it tiro: in
this country. Ou one question, however, he b !sere!
lish Education had left unduue, viz., cu-c,pera ne h a ca, cart
to crime, and in throwin, up a great harrier attait
many of the evils which afflicted the country. amhd
theaady
betierects
pthoa ttiownhoilie lastcdruirmiriing4tlshewhin )1n:1, ,ith thp,r):o-
- been gradually increasing as
who had received no education,ln aud crime wascompared

almost toady among, the uninstructed, and that crime
among the instructed was diminishing instead of in-
cr,i4sieg. as in this country. But he believed that
universal quietude could never be secured in the country
until measures of a peaceful and of a mentally influential
kind, such as he referred to, were further extended.
No country could remtin contented were the established
religion was only that of a small minority, where the
worship of one portion of the people was an insult and
se;gravation to the other, owing to its lAtig supported
from the resources of the grrat body of the public, and
where the Church of the St.t?, instead of being a monu-
ment of religion, was an unjust and oppresssive institu-
tion.—(Hear:)
Mr. sTAFFORD said he had already spoken in fa-
vour of the Bill, and he had since seen greater
reason for continuing his support, because he considered
the conduct of the Government was so calculat:d to hi-
flAme the minds of the pe plc in Ireland, to set class
aganst class, and to give rise to deeds of blood, that the
Bill was absolutely necessary to suppress the disturbances
which he he f, ared were likely to take place. The
Goveromeat had raised hopes of le4isloion on a ques-
tion which was convulsing the whole of Iceland only to
cisappoint the people. Nothing whatever had tem done
t) termine the 'citations 13, tween and tenant,
Vtough great promises haft been held out to them in
the speech from the Throne. Yet, to the mai nt un-
,a-isfActory state of those rela'ious, most of the crimes
were to be a' tributed, and the lion. Member for Roch-
d tie had stated very truly that the proceedings of the

Commissioners under the Encumbered E‘tates Bill were
another great stimulus t) the increase of evictiow. lie
thought no th=inks were due to the G•lvernment for the
course of conduct pursued by the Government during the
whole session, f.)r they had done nothing on those im-
portant questions with which the tranquillity and wel-
fareof Ire(slid was so deeply connected.

Mr. M'CULLAGEI he could do no more than
record the opinion which he had already ex-
pressed, that the Bill was unnecessary, and
he thought it would answer no geod purpose,
at this advanced period of the session, to pro-
secute any further opposition, seeing that the Bill had
already passed its former states by a majority. lie
thought the course adopted by the Encumbered Estates
Commi.sioners, of declaring that estates put up to sale
should be cleared of ail persons who did not hold leases,
amounted, in fact, to a declaration of war against life
and property of a most lamentable and dangercus
character:

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the amendment.
Colonel DUNNE congratulated the House that there
had, been no compromise upoa this Bill. His main ob-
jection .wag to the propos.-ii duration of the Bill. He
comid4:red that the Bill itself was rendo:ed necessary by
the neglect of the Government. They hid passed through
the whole of the session, and nothing of consequence
had been done. He would not oppose the Bill, because
he thought that the state of the country required it.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL complained of a Bill of this
importance being brought in at so late a period of the
session. He thought that the disposal of the public
business had no.v-come to such a pass that there was an
absolute necessity for a complete change. He had never
known any session since the passing of the Re-
form Bill and the two sessions following it in
which a greater desire to transact public business
had been shown than on the present. With the excep-
tion of two occasions, no adjourned debate had taken
place on a Government night, nor had the House been
once counted nut on a Government night.

The SPEAKER called the Hon.-Baronet to order.
His arguments were not addressed to the question before
the House.

Sir B. HALL said he should take another opportu-
nity then of bringing this subject before the House.
With regard to the present Bill, he should oppose it by
every mesas in his power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
objectian to the Lion. Baronet bringing forward any
motion on the business of- the session, but he wail some-
what surprised that, after eulogizing the House for its
desire to get through public business, he should set an ex-
ample of wasting time by irrelavent arguments.
Mr. mowATr opposed the Bill. He contended
that no cat,e for coercion had been made out by the Go.
vernment. It was absurd for the Government to look
at the crimes themselves without referring to the cum.&
He did not think that such a people as the Irish would
have been driven to such outrsg 13 as they read of unless
under the conviction of oppressive 'wrongs. He consi-
dered this Bill a reproach to the Government, and that
they were passing their own sell-condemnation.

Mr. E. B. RUCHE was not sorry that the debate
had been so long protracted, inasmuch as it bad
led to an universal acknowledgment that the
wrongs of the Irish people were patent to all, and
the• Government, instead of coming forward to remedy
these evils, had been occupied with measures
to coerce them. With regard to the measure bi-fore
them he consid. red that it was unjust and unneceshary,
and was not required to tranquillise Ireland, because
she was 23 tranquil as they could expect her to be
under her present wrongs. He protested against the
Bill, and he held the Government responsible for the
consequences which might follow.
Mr. P. SCROPE wished to draw the moral of this
debate, and to point out the unfortunate position which
her Majesty's Government had occupied during the last
two or three days. No one had said a word in their
fsvcur, and they had scarcely a word to say for them-
selves. He trusted that this would be a lesson for them
to endeavour to govern Ireland, for the future, on diffe-
rent principles.
After a few words from Mr. GRACE the House di-
vided,'wheu there appeared—
For going into Committee ...
Against it

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Majc•rity ... ... ... .:. —4B
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.

Mr. MOORE moved an amendment that the duration
of the Bal should he limited to one year. He made the
appeal on behalf of the whole body of the Irish Liberal
Members, who were united in this request.
Mr. HUME rose to suggest to the Government the
policy of acceding to this amendment.
Mr. REYNOLDS said as tha House bad negatived his
amendment by a majority of 82 to 34, he had no hope
of obtainiag his object. He hoped the Government would
consider the proposition ef the Hon. Member for Ma) o,
tor he did not think the Bill ought to be continued for a
longer period than was necessary. Hewes glad to find the
ihe names of several English Members, who represented
large and influential constituencies, were among the mi-
nority, particularly that of the lion. Member for the
Tower Hamlets, whom he thanked, on behalf of the
Irish people, for the good services which he had ren-
de: ed to them. He should vote for the amendment.
Mr. RUCHE said, as Ireland was admitted on all
hands to be free tram agrarian outrages, the Bill might
reasonably be dropped at the end of another year, pro-
vided the present tranquillity prevailed, and should out-
rages and disturbances be renewed, then the Govern-
ment would have very good grounds for applying
tor its renewal.—(hear, hear.) He hoped, thetetore,
the Government would concede to limiting the continu-
ance of toe Bill to one year.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL thought these observations
were worthy of more attention than appeared to be given
to them by the Government. He thought they ought
not to continue the measure a moment longer than
inevi able necessity re qtiired.
Sir G. GREY said it would be impossible for the
Government ao ascertain with anything like mathema-
tical accuracy the necessity for the continuance of the)
Bill in a less period than three years. In re-
ference to the other topics which had been in-
troduced into the discussion, he • said there could
be no doubt that they must come under the considera-
Bon of Parliament next session ; but it was a chimerical
idea, which he thought no man could encourage who
was acquainted with the real state of Ireland, that Par-
liament could, by a short Act, produce nothing but
harmony as regarded the relation between landlords
and tenants.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Such an
object could only be attained by the co-opera-
tion of the parties themselves, and all Parliament could
do was to facilitate the making of arrangements between
tenants and their landlords. The proposed dura-
tion of the Bill had no reference to the existence
of the present Government, for if the Govern-
ment were to change ti-morrow the Bill would
be, quite as necessary, and the succeeding Government
would find that they ought to have such powers con-
ferred upon them by Parliament as a security against
disturbances. Three ye ars was the period to which
Bill. of this nature were usually continued.
Mr. ANSTEY observed that the Habeas Corpus Sus-
pension Act for Ireland was limited to one year, and he
thought that might be taken as a good precedent on the
present licession.
Mr. SCULLY regretted the determination her Ma-
jesty's Government had come to on this Bill. He was
of opinion that, in preference to discussing this Bill in a
hurried manner at the fag end of the session, it would
have been more desirable to discus* it fully and deli-
berately at the commencement of the next session.
In the interval b-itore the opening of next ses-
sion the present state of quiet in Ireland
might be then in continuance, which would
be a state of things that would constitute an unanswer-
able argument against the continuance of the Crime and
Outrage Act. He would vote for the motion of the
Hon. Member tor Mayo (Mr. Moore), believing that it
was in the highest degree important that such a Bill as
this should exist for as short a time 'as possible.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD, amidst cries of " Divide," said,
that whenever the Bill might be made to end, he pro-
tested egainst any renewal of it for any period what-
ever.—(Hear.) He called upon the Government to give
some explicit intimation whether or not they would early
in next session bring in some measure to settle the re-
lations of landlord and tenant in Ireland?
Mr. MOORE reminded the Government that this was
an appeal made to them by the whole Liberal party in
Ireland.—(Hear, ht an)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL seici this was a Bill for the
discouragement of murder—(Urn r, hear)—and he could
not say whether the Liberal party in Ireland could have
any wish to continue tut crime.—(llear, hear.) lie
considered the continuance of this Bill for a somewhat
lun;rtr period than one year was likely to have a very
hen. effect in the discouragement of that her.
riche crime. He admitted that it were desirable
6-Rat the period her the continuance of this
Ho- thane-hat whist
i elmithi ho very
eal tl?sirblise ;is it was for Enalend
and Szotlaud waen crime was there rather more pre-
relent than now, was that the House should induce
habits of order and obedience to the law, and having done
that they might then confidently rely on the ordinary
operirion of the law for the prevention of ordinary crime.
But it they made this Bill last for a very short time,
they woulo, immediately that power was taken away,
immediately that the force of rearession which had been

pl.ie,d on that crime had been withdrawn, they would
get a revival of the crime; and, with a revival of the
crime, they would have a cry from Ireland kir
(xtr,urdivary measures. His opinion was, that it'
they wished this measure nut to be very lung