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London, England, 1844-02-23 00:00:00

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w..uld say that he was cot 'er lowly • obligationsa
' the citurte.y shown. by the Nobie Lord, the.44411'
for the .Colonies,, when he was ,ulluding to. t °
oath presented to be taken Roinan.-,Catholies!„
The Government. might depend, that thinagileitififJ°'
'the reficar Of the union would -never • cease tittltt 500
alteration --.wa,s • ,made-,--tvithDtesPect. ti4e4l4t4l)lisileatita
Church in Ireland.,--Theyibught-to.endeavourAo
such an arrangement,„ai, Kovld. give_ satisfaction to-the
three great denorainatipps;',o lieland..l. cios'
accomplished agitation in ViNland would continue. Ever"'
one seemed to agree that—some alteration-in ,the 12're"
testant Establishment in Ireland was neces4ry, nad.,yo •
no attempt was• Made to, :efft. cut
ee alteration.: n°
glad that the Landlord.andlenant Commission had bee°.
appointed, because
•felt that it would film -ptiblic
attention to, the subject, He believed that the Commis:
sien hatt been appeinted by
.the Right Hon. Baronet the
First Lord
pf the Treasury in good .faith, with the into:,
tion of improving the relations bet Ween, landlord Rn
tenant. The present system was fraught with theJii°"::.
frightful, evils. Most of these evils were attributed tvv
-the-landlords; but this was not just, for he ,knew th;,
there were many landlords who would • improve the'
estates if they. possessed the means. At the Wile
he knew that there were many landlords who did posse 4
the means, but who did not possess the will. He thong",
the-relation •' of landlord and tenant and the ChAte"
question were the two most important questions With
spect to Ireland that the Government could turn,the..
attention t what
Mr. LIDDELL.rose to express . his regret 8. n
had fallen from. the Hon. Member for NorthamPte-' ',;
shire (Mr. S. O'Brien) he other-ni,ght,, wit]' relPeca
the conduct of the. Nobk Marquis who, was the .late the
Lieutenant of Irel.nd. lie was; sorry to recal. to. 1.
• IlOn..Gentleman's recollection thewords which he h011y.,•
used, The. Hon. Gentleman, in the Coutse of hiji
_servations, had said that the Noble Marquis during or.
administration in Ireland had mad. theatrical-and 05tea,,1
~tatious displays. Ile (Mr: Liddell). was reard t°„,,.°
mit that in the. progress of the Noble Marquise hr(hwa
the coentry,. nt the. time the prisoners were liberatei.
without the intervention of judge or jury,_ he tlid.,.he,4
sonic indiscretion.. He (Mr. Liddell),, however.. I'll -
that the office of Lord Lieuienant of Ireland had -fleo're.4
been slled-withifiore becoming dignity,. or Nvitb 11bler;
satisfaction to the Irish people, than it was by the N°
Ma-rquis..s.—(Cheers.) • He might saw that the dilti,cs,o
-, the' office.. had- been performed with dignity o'oo
ostentation, or. Kith tiff& dlity without affectation...,A .1
private charities; of the Noble Marquis and his irlit'r •
were only limited by the opportunities afforded fOr,""eist
exhibition. Many were the perseus in the 'far .1,
of Ireland who had telt the ber.eticial .effects
Noble. Mtirquis' kindness.—(Cheers.) , Th•os°.„
..Jf these whom the Noble Marquis had 'found in. sja the
butleil in freedom, were ready to blesS the name 7,t0
Marquis of Normitnby.—(Cheers.) With resPt•on.
his appointments, they had given general satism,3oo..
Those appoinitrtents. were, always most carefull
sidered.by the Noble Marquis, and were always °*Pjffifi
ofil;irith the greatest propriety.
.He (Mr. .LiddeNti;.' •
bound to say thus much in vindication of-the .toble '

found to say thw. lue,. in old '
quis, for he was unwilling that his defence ,'••-e amt.
tirely rest•with gentlemen on the other side of the" •
' " Absentem qui rodit arhiciim ;
Qui non .defendit,. alio culpante ; solution
'Qui captat risus hominum, famamque dicacis
Fingere qui non visa potent ; commi-sa tacere
eti).o
Qui nequit;'hiOniger est; hunetu; Romane,
With respect to the question befoie the House, he
„soliP .
merely say, thatany accusation that had beenbr°eTad
by Hon. Gentlemen on-the other side of the He° oa-
been fully met, and he was happy to say that tbeioulcl
vernment had received as full a vindication as the,' their. '
desire; and he had to congratulate them 01010
triumph in argument, as he had no doubt he -shoo:
have to congratulate them on the result ofthe tl,"0011,
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN could assure the, he
'Gentleman that,' in the remarks he had 1114,"ci,frir.
had. meant nothing discourteous to the late Lor," not-
tenant of Ireland. He could assure the Hon.. Ile &fist
man, that he had never intended for a moment t°ftbst.
the slightest reflection .upon .the private character.%
Noble Lord. What he had said was, and he stl carry
heral to the opinion,' that, in letting out the Pr theV
in Ireland, thieuXeble Marquis had proceeded in ;et, •
trical manner...l as-though he wished to make an e „f the
Mr: HUME Thought that the administration -sfac- •
Noble Marquis in Ireland had given perfect.. tlbats
flea to parties, and he was sure that in sagbiold
he, should be borne out by the whole people of by
He wished he. could -say the same thing of
Whom he had been succeeded. With respect to t jebt,.•
fence set up by the Irish Attorney-General last
he must say,that he had utterly failedin convincl
(Mr. Hume) that the course which he had adcl'iteji,a4
free from blame. Mr. O'Connell had a right teuexcag
that the jury panel should be quashed. It wasiw %est°
00,
to say that if it had been so quashed, all other ce°-.
be tried during the year would have been affected' he
Mr. O'Connell to be punished because an erff -
been committed which would affect other trials? .vcotle'
Hume) considered that the Hon. and Learned u,Fa not
man-hadutterly failed in his explanation.
wish to revive the recollection of past grievances esea.,t'.
he more particularly wished to allude to were the Prco),ed
It-might be said. that he was not an liishnian.
5° lbjecis'
'upon the people of that country as his fellow-I,W
Ireland was a part of the British empire, and a rn95,.,0911
° unit
.pOrtant part. He had always opposed "
:tion, because he considered • that if - the •• - • it'
was fairly carried out, Ireland must be benefited by
The poor country was invariably_ the better by `toys`
connected with the rich one. What advantage' "erg
land had gained by the union ! Incalculable advantlife 0
and if Ireland had been treated on the same princiPoy
Scotland she would be now happy and flourish,i7;oll;
We
(Hear, hear.) The lion. Gentleman then quo . "
the speech of King George the Third at the oPei',ZY
Parliament, in the year iAOO, in which his 1‘
most cordially congratulated the House• on ~'"'„
=vancernent of that measure, and said that nothingof tlO •
be to well calculated to increase the prosperitY
empire, and his Majesty's speech led the Irish Pee.ro, '.
expect that they would front the time of the.ti°!iege.i4C.
participators in all the institutions, rights, pro' `)o'.
and advantages - of this country.---(Hear,' hearol,9
'Pitt said that the Irish people should Per,t' nue,
every 'solid benefit • and every eminent aljeso
that could result. from so important a tmion.---',,„bell
•The Hon. Memb-r for Dublin said, that Hon. Me-,t
on that side attic House were always talking' ab°t,3oo_,'
grievances of:lreland, and that even if.the.rtvo-telitri,
Church Establishment re destroyed in .that'il, (Pc:
there would be still complaints of grievances.'
Hume) considered thu t the Irish people: 1int...99:1a ti
right to complain, but that they ought to.conip."'d:
every grievance was redressed. 'I he majorttf eeje.
es,
people of Scotland had the Church Of their! 001;
The people of Elie land . had. the Church cher`.o
but the Irish people were obliged to support tt,..cotesici'
of the minority: It was urged that the -riot,o'
Church had been-guarranteed by the union, ante
should a Church be supported, however- gu,;(o i el
which did:not bring peace among mankind ? ~
possible that. the Irish people could be satisfie",
e
Church as it -stood. It was astonishing Yitiw vibio. •
Gentlemen, opposite found the documents frc't Ocse,
.theytquotecl----they always seemed to susPec IP° of •
nients read upon • that side of 0115.10;..
lint he would now quote from the ;`'-no of :6;
According to that census, the populat,i'dit'l'or
land was as follows:—Roman Catholics, .Pkterniefi •
Protestant, _ -Episcopalians, 752,000 ; rre,s„i: c10,:od•
642,000 ; Protestant Dissenters of all. ct"'d
121,000: The Established Church in Ire's% .ter,i.smg,
from the public money, 806,000 L ; the • PFe5 deft
4.5;000Z ; whilst-the • Roman Catholic Chore , viP::•,l •
cite, ..,1
only 8,9284 the miserable grant to Mx) It ,cas. 'ter
'was many years opposed.—(Hear, hear.) had °col'.
this was a party-question ; he (Mr. Huinel.,thst
treated it so.- •. He had-been always of the Parl'iJe letoA"ei
voctited those rights for. Ireland to which het' Ze"
titled:but 6.1 opposed the Whigs in 1,814' the • rgf
brought forward measures of coercion. Mt.,,iotfr'is
vernment treat Ireland properly—let thew tioiPleP
her in the same manner and on the 13103'7 The....lia
for Scotland, and there would be no tigiteti°P-..."wece-
was, the Tories mho refused :Ireland its-rigt)l tat
yc
agitators, and the- Preurier,fts the head 01,4 ttteß"
was the prime agitatot,i-VOOO
Once more respeeted,ci&ja4twv..7, ito ' for 6104
the occupation ;of Othefiry!, was acklk.
The first measure which lijActiught ourea&al.i.o4
by the Government would be with ravvitoe4e_ OA,v)
);,-t7buto. trolaaj,i oes,
Lieutenant from leeland, and have the :bus' the 50,,j
eOuntryttAnsacted in the 'Same -inanner l'A;;t4
affairs were, 'i M
n. London. In --a i
ouse, t-A
.111
brought a motion to that effect before the irun
long dlcussion ensued and,• •115• Merabe "over°l-oar
favoui' of the measure. Let not Ireland be.g; '1)0'401
the.same way as Canada, but let her eves il
to OS MOI as
constitution • and right,. and be able her a irtis
of the,s-ame talent in the administration erck
,o6fier
ortk,
England had. For his part he would ma Pth,
to a Aecretary of State in England than L.,u) abwerroo
Lieutenant, for it was the nature of Inanirstoce
which he was delegated to exercise at a "he unie'but
fit t" "Beef I 01
the fountain head.' Ireland had had e 0
Own boards of customs and other revente the the
they were all swept away now, and Whf'ouly °`o34p •
of a Lord-Lieutenant ? Ile knew that
,b.) In for
peers would bitterly2oppose biuotionvoiviiv:
when Mr. O'Connell brought forward the..".
Select Committee to inquire into rePeawas rot
and its probable effects if carried, he
c an amen Weir'
Spring Rice (now Lord Monteagle) with.tiuse to -tal.
expressive. of the intention of .the •
.1;;;i0e)
taut the union,' but at the sate Rime to
. y.,
the grievances of Ireland. „,,ekn • re4F
.e20`;73
litnild ask had those grievancesTa:tesehtecci;
'On the 2d of February a petition
_I:1r
.ofif
meeting in Dublin, demanding; an.
tic((ll.lffeli'llohee..c!ftire
religiens.rights,-but.that petition h ki_Peerl.
11:6 (Mr. Hume) had his Will, he should_7-aro allow_ at,c•
property to the education of the pep, Pi_e,aid his ohWell oto:'
man to pay his own clergynian
basrl ein
Vrench arm)' the. t`''
mannertor. li:ealsanAdlgleviaisa gwaarsrisboynetdi?ejed
gent ;10101.
aouTdrndolu'iviYithti:eoPrn•sl-'licel; •
(I.ov ausiist(riirers).- to
wseheatsotter;asth
cuMbents Would be to put them opal the _art
Fund during their lives, and at 0 1-",7,,e uppoilfic_
tgrY
reduce the 00,00.
ityleopeedrutymituidnthoefhtrihneds;
eoofpGieo. b.e
Once. The next step should be ton, iv th,t6
to
tho
forceS, ,send the navy into dock, a,ea,%t.njenlv, with
of a million and a half saved in thes A, iod!
difliisioncotllltrY_ischie •
.the evil' .oefff' eeed tit.sc a toifona: •mliihitaitsrywoouledutplitayti3on" of lrte,,,
Everything which had been done
row-itlithrlsity,titshee'
present Government had been
(At this moment Sir Robert Paetictillensedaneitedd, rintincgoto
a
and the Hon. Member for lolontrose abiefs
Hon. Baronet)
rightly attribnted to the Right .q
ble-for 00'0';0
and all thosoe_.rouiopet icr_aefou' e
' s responst
,just•eame-iii,iiitiauvihe-evu --sible tbi
Government,
ri
a r.
ri e (f for
ri. f he wereh nao
took
tita Bisitt Baronet when 1111')Iubtetter