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CONVEYANCE OF TROOPS TO INDIA.

(From the Times.)

In the House of Lords on Tuesday evening Lord
Hard wicke opportunely introduced a subject which
has never ceased to occupy a most prominent place
in the eyes of the public, and which is still of the
most anxious interest. The question concerned
nothing less than the agency available for the con-
veyance of our troops to India, and the statement
made by Lord Panmure o i the occasion deserves
particular attention and remark.
Our Naval and Military Intelligence will have
informed the public that the 94th Regiment, hav-
ing made two false starts for India in a hired steam
transport named the Austria, is now about to be
despatched overland. The price to be paid for the
use of this vessel—a vessel owned, manned, and
officered by foreigners, was about 30,0001., whereas
so deplorable was the bargain that after the ship had
twice put back to port in distress the attempt was
given up altogether. Upon this text Lord Hard-
wicke very sensibly observed that the country
would have gained largely by employing the Royal
steam navy for the transport of our troops, and
that, considering our marine included 270 steam-
vessels of all sizes, with a reserve of 10,000 availabe
seaman at hand, it was "inconceivable why recourse
had not been had to those means," instead of en-
gaging at a great cost vessels which, after all, could
not be mad to go. Lord Panmure's reply was
exceedingly remarkable. He observed, in the first
place, and as if to clear the Government of any ac-
countability in the matter, that the conveyance of
troops to India was one of the functions of the East
India Company, and that the Company was respon-
sible for its proper discharge. As regarded the case
alleged, he did not deny the miscarriage, but urged
that it was a single instance of failure in a series of
successful exertions, and that though the Company
might perhaps with some degree of justice be ac-
cused of having taken up indifferent vessels for the
transport service just at first, they had latterly
shown great zeal in repairing the error. After this
exculpation of the Directors he proceeded to state
thet, as the regiment in question would now be
despatched overland, almost all the time lost by the
mishaps of the Austria would he made up, and
finally delivered his opinion on the main question
by " entirely concurring with his noble friend in
thinking that there could be no valid objection to
the employment of the large class of vessels at the
disposal of the Admiralty."
Now, as regards the particular case of the Aus-
tria, perhaps the plea of " first fault" may be al-
lowed to carry a little weight ; ror are we disposed
to insist much on the early bargains of the com-
pany in the way of transport vessels, though we
were taken to task once for saying what Lord Pan-
inure now admits may be said without injustice. In
this respect the directors did but share the blind-
ness of other authorities both at home and in the
dgt
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despatch.
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scEiooansnst
(,enallsi andeidt wf whenoasr iui
points of Lord Patimure's speech concern conclu-
sions of a far more comprehensive character. To
begin with—let the reader observe the operation of
the "double government" of India at a conjuncture
when the most urgent demands are made upon the
resources of the country at home. Nothing is more
obvious than thatthe despatch of troops is a point
upon which everything—up to the very preserva-
tion of the Empire—may depend, and yet the des-
patch of troops is a matter with which the Admin-
istration declares it has nothing to do. The Mi-
nister of War may provide the battalions, but by
what means they are to be sent out, or when they
are likely to arrive, are questions within the control
of the " Company." To complete the absurdity,
although the Homo Government has nothing to do
with the troops on our own shores, it becomes
chargeable with their transport when they are on
the shores of India, 15,000 miles off, and awaiting
their return.

Next, look at the confession at last pronounced
with respect to the advantages or disadvantages of
the Overland Route. After all we have heard
about the chances of delay and difficulties of trans-
shipment, transit, and so forth, it is now plainly
stated that the despatch of a regiment via Alexan-
dria will be attended with such expedition that
nearly all the time lost since the sth of October in
fruitless endeavours to make the passage with a
bad steamer may be recovered, and that the batta-
lion " may be expected to arrive in India not long

The remaining point affords a still more signal
illustration of the tardiness with which we attain
to a knowledge of the right course. We now bear
the Minister ef War exprei,sing his decided Opinion
that there could be "no valid objection" to em-
ploying the enormous resources of the Royal Navy
in carrying the Queen's regiments from one part of
her dominions to another. But in the meantime,
and before this truth was recognised, 35,000 sol-
diers have been despatched in transports of all de-
scriptions, 801119 of which may tumble about the
ocean for four or five months together before mak-
ing the port of their destination. If this " concur-
rence of ()pinion" had been but forthcoming in June
13st, the reinforcements now tardily pouring into
Calcutta might have arrived there six or eight weeks
bhfore. We remember the old objections to the
proposal—such as the necessary pr tection of our
own shores, and the dislike of naval officers to
become commanders of transports. But, surely,
with a steam navy of 270 vessels we have quite
force enough to defend ourselves at home; and to
spare a squadron for the emergencies of our Em-
pire in the East ? Of tho objections of naval
officers to convey troops, we can only say that
if there are any Brahmins in the naval service
who entertain such scruples, they should be
instantly dismissed. But we attach very little
weight to_ this pretext. Of course, a Petit-
Captain! ,worrieterather go to sea on a seaman's
regular duty than carry half his guns in ballast
and see his decks turned into barrack-rooms ;
but he would much rather do this service than do
no service at all. Anything is better than utter
inaction or mere holyday cruising. Besides, there
was ample scope in India for the more regular
services of the Navy. A frigate and two or three
smaller vessels insured the safety of Calcutta, and
Captain Peel, with his 300 or 400 blue-jackets, has
been welcomed at every town on the Ganges. Bri-
tish sailors have not been even sent into Assam,
and if t'ey have not been still more generally em-
ployed it is only because they were not at hand for
the purpose.
The wh,,le matter COMM to this, that when ships
are wanted for national purposes the ships of the
nation should be available for performing them,
otherwi,e Parliament is likely to look at the Navy
Estimates with considerably less liberality than
1) fore. When we talk of Britain's ascendancy on
the seas, we ought to mean not merely that we can
fight naval battles, but that we can command the
waters for all purp..ses whatever. If great naval
encounters are out of date duties of other kinds
have succeeded them, and we believe that the
officers of the Navy are just as ready for these
duties as any other. What they naturally desire
is active service and chance of distinction, nor can
it be agreeable to so many energetic minds to see
the navy and its seamen condemned to idleness,
which would be disgraceful if it were not involun-
tary, while the eyes of the country are strained in
following the march of its soldiers, and the whole
nation burning with eagerness to reward their
achievements. With the finest navy in the world,
doing ?lathing but scour decks and square yards, we
have kept a regiment tossing about for a couple of
months in want of a vessel to carry it to India, a...El
have sent 40,000 men in hired transports. We
trust that when next the Navy Estimates have to
be moved, Sir Charles Wood will be brought to
strict account as to the cost of the transport of
troops to India ; and that if, as seems but too pos-
sible, a great disaster should occur from their tardy
arrival, Parliament and the nation will know upon
whom to fix the blame.

ANOTEER PROCLAMATION OP NANA
SAHIB.

(Front the Friend of India, Oct. 29 )

The Lahore Chronicle publishes the following
"Proclamation" by Nana Sahib :

"It has been ascertained from a traveller who has
lately arrived at C twnpore from Calcutta, that pre-
viously to the distribution of the cartridges for the
purpose of taking away the religion and ciste of the
people of Hindostan, a council was held, at which
it was resolved that, as this was a matter of reli-
gion,•+. uttyri 1,1 necnuann.ry +n nnapirby 2000 or
8,000 Europeans, and to kill 50,000 Hindostanees,
and then all Hindostan would be converted to
Christianity.
"A petition to this effect was sent to
Queen Victoria, and the opinion of the council
was adopted. A second council was then held, to
which the English merchants were admitted, and
it was agreed that, to assist in carrying out the
work, the same number of European soldiers
should be allowed as there were Hindostanee
Sepoys, lest, in the event of any great commotion
arising, the former should be beaten. When this
petition was perused in England, 35,000 European
troops were embarked in ships with the utmost
rapidity and despatched to India. Intelligence
of their despatch was received in Calcutta, and the
gentlemen of Calcutta issued order: for the distri-
bution of the cartridges. Their real object was to
make Christians of the army under the idea that
when this was done there would be no• delay in
Christianising the people generally. In the cart-
ridges the fat of swine and cows was used. This
fact was ascertained from Bengalee4 who were em-
ployed in making the cartridges ; one of these men
was put to death and the rest were imprisoned.
Here they were carrying out their plans. Then
the Ambassader of the Sultan of Constantinople at
the Court of Loudon sent information to the Sul-
tan that 35,000 English troops were to be de-
spatched to India to make Christians of that coun-
try. The Sultan sent a firman to the Pasha of
Egypt to theeffect that he was colluding with Queen
Victoria ; that this was not e time for compromise ;
thatfrom what his webaesadorsent it appeared that
35,000 soldieis h.id I.L en despatched tt, India to
make Christine of the peeple and soldiers of that
country ; that there was still time to put a stop to
' this ; that if he was guilty of any neglect in the
matter, what kind of a face would he be able to
show to God ; that that day would one day be his,
since, if the English succeeded in making Christians
of the people of Elindostan, they would attempt
the same in his country. On the receipt of this
firman of the Sultan the Pasha of Egypt, before
the arrival of the English troops, made his arrange-
ments and collected his troops at Alexandria, for
that is the road to India, and on the arrival of the
English army the troops of the Pasha of Egypt
began firing with cannon from all sides, and
destroyed and sank the ship, so that not a single
Englishman of them remained. The English at
Calcutta, after issuing the order for biting the
cartridges and the breaking out of this now spread-
ing mutiny and rebellion, were looking for assist-
ance from the army coming from London ; but
God, by the exercise of His Almighty power,
settled their business there. When the intelligence
of the destruction of the army of London was
received the Governor-General felt great grief and
beat his head. At the beginning of the night
murder and robbery were contemplated ; in the
morning the body had no head, nor the head any
covering ! In one revolution the sky became of the
same colour, neither Nadir nor no Nadir's Govern-
mentpaper has been printed by
This audacious rigmarole is a valuable contribu-
tion to the history of the rebellion. It proves, or
we are greatly mistaken, that the terror of forcible
conversion, so often pleaded by the mutineers, was
in
olfact
as
of civilization.
if excited at all, by native conspira-
iltd'
l be seen that Nana Sahib makes No
ciotlntex will
to
missionary efforts, no reference to the
lawsiru
He knew that any attempt of
the kind would be discredited even by the most igno-
rant of his followers. He simply invents a lie with a
circumstance—a lie which, as no one could by
possibility confirm, so no one of those ho addressed
could peremptorily
deny. And this we believe to
ta
the rebellion. They used the one
have been throughout the policy of those who must
have organised
would unite Mussultnans and Hindoos
as a terror
ire
‘,%
n%r
and to excite it forged the preposterous
steaory
" Proclamation."
The paper suggests to us another doubt. The
Government of India has repeatedly and formally
ti•s
lever,
in the
denied any intention of conversion. Nana Sahib
either believes those denials, or he does not. If he
does not, the proclamations have failed of any
effect whatever. If he does, they have failed to
restrain his impudence of assertion. The effect
produced on him and on
his countrymen must,
though different in degree be substantially the
same. We therefore put, not in a spirit of hos-
tility, lint in utter sadness of heart, this question
to the Government—ls it not time that these pro-
clamations, and the policy ev-hich dictates them
were thoroughly re-examined ? Is it not possible
perpetual talk a neutrality is interpreted
intothat
fear
?

The pollowing commenced at eight o'clock this
morning, and the result of the election was never
for a moment doubtful, Mr. R. J. Bagehaw taking
the lead from the first, and maintaining it to the
close of the poll. To the uniniatiated this may
appear rather surprising, in view of the respectable
position which Mr. Arcedeckne maintained at the
nomination yesterday ; but his popularity seems to
have prevailed principally among the non electors
of the borough, who consist, for the most part, of
sea-faring men, and have, therefore, a natural
sympathy with a gentleman who manifests an
interest in nautical pursuits. The available
strength of the electors is only 301. The following
is the close of the poll, as recorded by Mr. Bag-
ehaw's committee :-.-
Bagshaw ••• ... 161

Arcedeckne ... •.• ... ... 67
Majority for Bagshaw ... —94

The town was quiet during the morning, and the
mayor, who presided DA returning officer' was per-
mitted to do so with all proper dignity and gravity.
As the hours wore on, however, the number of
noisy fellows in the streets perceptibly increased,
and when the period had arrived for closing the
poll the hustings were surrounded with a d.oila,
crowd of pers ins, many of whom were evidently
bent on destroying them. The doomed timbers•
were defended by a considerable force of policemeb,
but a se ,man scaled a wall in the rear, and his
example being quickly followed by others, the work
of destruction was commenced end carried out in
an inconceivably short space of time., The mayOr
and town clerk were glad to escape as beet they
could, and the official chili. of the fornier_ was
bundled about very unceremoniously, but no one
sustained any injury. The whole proceeding was
regarded with comparative good humour, and by
many persons seemed to be taken almost as a
matter of course.

THETFOIZD ELECTIoy.

THE rFolth, WEDNESDAY.

This election took place tlds morning at the Town
Hall. There was a numerous attendance of the
electors. The mayor, C. S. Bidwell, Esq., pre-
sided.

After the usual formalities,
L. Bidwell, Esq., after expressing regret, that
owing to the ill-health of their late member, he was
not equal to a residence in London, proposed Mr.
Alexander Hugh Baring as member for the borough.
H. Tyrrell, Esq., seconded the nomination.
The Mayor, hearing no other candidate proposed,
declared Mr. Alexander Hugh Baring duly elected.
(Applause.)
Mr. Baring then addressed the electors, sincerely
thanking them for the honour they had done him.
He felt that it was very gratifying to him to enter
into public life in connection with a constituency
whom he had the honour of knowing from his
earliest years. He would go to Parliament un-
pledged to any party, and though his opinions would
remain Conservative, still he felt that his duty re-
quited that he should go to Parliament to assist in
carrying out such improvements and moderate re-
forms as were necessary for the country. The im-
portant matters to be brought before Parliament dur-
ing the present session would not be numerous, but
itere would be the question of the present Bank
Act, an act for the reform of Indian affairs, the RAI.-
liamentary Reform Bill, and Lord John Russell's
bill for the admission of the Jews into the House
of Commons. As far as the monetary crisis was
concerned, it would require a better financier than
himself to give any opinion, but he would arrive at
the best conclusion he could after hearing the dis-
cussions in Parliament. He thought that they
must not reject any measure which was calculated
to alleviate the distress and suffering which now
unhappily existed, especially in the northern parts
of the country. As far as Indian affairs were con-
cerned, it wo ild be presumptuous in him to at-
tempt to give any history of them, or to find out
any causes of the late events. He could only say
that crimes of singular atrocity had been com-
mitted, and if those atrocitieshad been unparalleled
in the history of the world, so bad the vengeance
v.hiek had overtaken them. (Applause.) He only
regretted that the gallant officers and soldiers in
India who had hitherto carried on the war would
he superseded by men sent out from this country
who perhaps were not so fit or so equal to maintain
order. What the act might be as to the Indian
question it was impossible for him to say, but it
would probably be one fur the total abolition of the
Court of Directors of the East India Company,
formed about 120 years ago, under a totally diffe-
rent system, to represent interest of the share-
holders. ow if the interest on Indian stock was
paid by the Government the proprietors would have
no more interest In the company than other people.
The nation had a right to expect that the directors
of the company should be composed of the best
men, and that the power of nomination should be
taken out of the hands of the select few who at pre-
sent enjoyed it. He thought, however, that such
a measure should enact that the directors should
be entirely abolished, and that Indian affairs should
be brought into closer connection with the House
of Commons, and that the control would not be
given to men of moderate abilities, as hitherto.
The honourable gentleman then promised that he
would vote for the admission of Jews into Parlia-
ment ; and if the anticipated Reform Bill inter-
fered with that borough he would do his best to
protect the privileges which they had so lung
enjoyed.
Three cheers were given for the honourable
member.

THE COLLIERS' STRIKE IN SOUTH WALES.

ABERDARE, TUESDAY.

As many very erroneous and exaggerated accounts
have gained credence in reference to this strike, I pro-
pose to inform you of the real state of things at this
time. As if the event were not in itself grave enough
to satisfy any reasonable appetite for the alarming, false
rumours have been sent abroad, and men fired at and
killed. Nothing of the kind has occured. Threatening
letters, promising violence, have been sent abroad ; but
beyond a stone thrown through the windows of one of
the managers' houses, no act of positive violence has
been committed. I told you, in my former communica-
tion, that on account of the threats used by the " turn-
outs," and with a view to inspire confidence in the
well-affected inhabitants, a
.communication had been
made from the magistrates to the Secretary of State for
the Home Department, requesting the presence of some
troops. The Government lost no time in complying wilrh
this requisition, al d on Saturday night a detachment,
consisting of about 100 men of the 23d Infantry, arrived
here by special train from Weedon. The soldiers were
immediately stationed in the Town-ball, and their com-
manding officer, Captain Smith, has, by direction of the
Secretary of State, placed himself and his men at the
disposal of the justices. Either the knowledge of these
military preparations, or returning good sense en the
part of some of the operatives, has already produced a
salutary effect. On Saturday the colliers connected with
this Aberdare Company's iron works made an offer, in
imitation of the conduct of the Merthyr men, to return
to their employ. The Messrs. Fotbergill at first refused
to receive them, stating, it is said, that in the present
state of the trade iron-masters can only keep on their
make out of motives of consideration for their men, and
that, so far as they themselves were concerned, a sus-
pension of operations would be a desirable thing.
Amongst the applicants for re-employment, however,
were many steady workmen who had been for years in
the company's employ, and who, having had nothing to
do with the strike, were to be pitied as victims of the
misguided conduct of others. Out of consideration
for those men the masters relented, and the
iron-works colliers have gone in at a reduction
amounting to about 20 per cent. The sea-going coal
men still remain out, and will probably give some
trouble, if indeed they do not get themselves into diffi-
culties. On Monday Mr. Bruce, M.P. for Merthyr,
called a large meeting of the turn-outs, whom he ad-
dressed en the folly of their conduct, pointing out to
them that the reduction proposed bad been forced on the
masters by the necessities of the times ; that " strikes"
at all times result most disadvantageously to those
engaged in them ; and that were the masters to go on
giving the present rate of wages, such a course could
only lead to a ruinous state of things which must prove
disastrous to all. The hon. member's address appeared
to produce an effect, and, at the request of some of the
men, he will this day have an interview with the masters
on their behalf. lam not very hopeful of the result, as
there are a lot of the turn-outs, most of them young hot-
headed fellows, who seem resolved not to go in, and by
whom the others seem to be in a great measure led.

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Among the gentlemen present were Lord Fevers-
ham, Vice-Chancellor Kindersley, Lord William
Lennox, Mr. C. T. Tower, of Weald Hall, E sex ;
Mr. ex-Sheriff Mechi, of Tiptree Hall, Essex ; Mr.
Raymond Barker, Mr. Fisher Hobbs, Mr. Hum-
phrey Brandreth, Mr. Western, M.P., Mr. Henry
Wilson, Mr. W. Hole, Mr. Sandy, Mr. Torr, Mr.
Brandreth Gibbs, Mr. R. W. Baker, Mr. Druce,
Mr. S. P. fuxford, Professor Symonds, &c.
The vocalists engaged were Miss Wells, Miss J.
Wells, Mr. Showbridge, Mr. George Genge, and
Mr. Smythson ; the musical arrangements being
under the direction of Mr. Genee.
On the removal of the cloth the grace from the
"Lamb Spirituali" was sung.
The noble CHAIRMAN expressed his deep regret
that in the unavoidable absence of their noble chair-
man he had been called upon by the committee to
preside. It was his pleasing duty to peptise "Toe
Health of our Illustrious and Gracious Sovereigu."
(Cheers.) It was a toast which, in his opini in,
stood upon its own merits ; it was a toast which
needed no eulogy front a chaitmati to ensure for it
the most enthusiastic reception from 13! itish far-
were. He proposed thee the toast should be given,
is in olden times, with three hearty good cheers.
The toast was d► rink with the greatesCefitlitiiiasin,
and the National Anthen followed.
The CHAIRMAN—Having paid the tribu+e of re-
spect due to their Most Gracious Sovereign, he
would now propose the next toa.t, which he was
sure all present would anticipate, it was that of
" The health of the Prince Consort and the rest of
the Royal Family." (Cheers.) The Prince Consort
had stiong claims on their attention and respect,
not only as the husband of our beloved Sovereign,
and as the fa her of the R family, but also as a
patron of i.he arts and sciences, and as a compe-
titor, and a successful competitor, in the agricul-
tural show. (Cheers.)
Serenade—" Ressed be the home."
The CHAIRMAN said there were certain times and
circumstances which rendered the next toast ex-
tremely interesting and necessary that it should be
given on occasions like the present, though it might
not be on all occasions the custom to regard it in
that light. The toast he had to propose was " The
health of the Army and Navy "—(cheers)—and
when they considered that the mind of every Eng-
lishman and every Englishwoman, and lie might
say of every man and woman in the civilised world,
had been turned to the achievements of the army
in the East, he thought he should riot be doing his
duty if he did not give to a large assembly of Eng-
lish farmers an opportunity of expressing the re-
spect they felt for the army and navy. (Cheers.)
He was well aware that their minds had been
directed in an unparalleled degree to the atrocities
and barbarities which had been committed in In-
dia. The blood, indeed, ran cold when they contem-
plated the accounts of the barbarities committed
upon children sitting on their mothers' knees,
and infants at the breast. But in contem-
plating these sorrowful facts, men's minds
were turned to those gallant deeds which
had been achieved by the army. When the
country should be restored to the Crown, England
would be indebted to the army now in India for
that consummation. Those men, consisting of com-
paratively small bands, led on by intrepid leaders,
had encountered unheard-of difficulties—they have
endured the trials of climate and season, when it
was thought impossible for any European troops
to traverse the country. Our gallant heroes had
had to contend, not against undisciplined troops,
but against troops who were the pupils of our own
officers, having learned the use of the same arms,
and having with them at Delhi 270 guns, which hid
been manufactured by, our own authorities. He
must mention here the high compliment paid to the
army (which had never before been paid to it) by
the Emperor of the French—(hear, hear)—which
ought to be made known from one end of the
country to the other, as affording V.e best guaran-
tee of the goad feeling which the Emperor of the
French entertained for this country. When the
war broke out, it was necessary that our troops.
should proceed by the shortest route, and the Em-
peror made it known that the army of England
might pass through France. In the same spirit,
the Paella of Egypt had offered to givo every
facility for the transit of troops. And hero lie
would pay the tribute of respect to Neill, Nichol-
son, and others of the brave defenders of their
Queen who had bled and died in their country's
cause. There were others who, ho trusted, still
were survivors, who had only last night receives
from Parliament the acknowledgment of t leir ser-
vices. Brigadier General Wilson, Havelock, and
Greathed, ()throw, and Eyre, and the devoted
Salkeld. Again, there were Home, Lawrence,
Wheeler, Chamberlain, Cotton, and Edwards, all
distinguished for their great military skill.
The toast having been drunk with loud cheers,
was responded to by Colonel Towneley.
The CHAIRMAN said he had now to propose that
which was the toast of the evening, but all the diffi-
culty he might have had in proposing that toast was
done away with by their respected honorary secre-
tary, Mr. Gibbs, who had printed an account
of the society from its commencement in a
pamphlet It appeared from this report that
the society was first established in 1798.
In 1800 tho numbers amounted to 50. In
the year 1838 the Royal Agricultural Society had
its origin in that room. He remembered being
present on the c ccasion, and being consulted on the
matter. He found that the Royal Agricultural
Society had its origin from this. Her Gracious
Majesty and the Prince Consort visited the show
in 1844 and 1850, and the Prince Consort became
a member in 1841. In the year 1839 the show
was removed from Goswell-street, and he need not
direct attention to the results of that proceeding.
They now number 300 members, and they could
say, not as a boast but as a fact, that they did that
which no other club was enabled to do—they gave
away each and every year 1,2001. in prizes, and the
interest which this club excited, both in this town
and in the country, showed how many were at-
tached to it on account of its practical utility.
Their object was to produce the greatest amount
of food to the people at the cheapest possible
people at the cheapest possible rate. It was for
this purpose it was established. The noble lord con-
cluded by giving "Prosperity to the Smithfield
Cattle Club." (Loud cheers.)
The Hoer. SECRETARY then gave out the names
of the successful competitors to whom gold medals
had been awarded. Mr. Edward Wortley, Lieut.-
Colonel Towneley, Lord Berners, the chairman,
and the Duke of Richmond. Lieut.-Col. Towneley's
was the 20th gold medal he had received. The
medal to the chairman was presented to his lord-
ship by Lord Feversham.
Mr. WORTLEY expressed his satisfaction at re-
ceiving the soc'ety's gold medal.
The CHAIRMAN gave "The Health of the Duke
of Richmond" amidst loud applause, and stated his
grace was absent on duty connectd with his county
militia. The noble lord very eloquently impressed
upon the minds of the farmers and others the duty
of aiding in raising and strengthening the most
constitutional force, the militia.
Lord W. LENNOX returned thanks on behalf ef
his noble brother, the Duke of Richmond.
Lord FEVERSIIAM proposed the health of the
noble chairman, and as he was the president of the
Royal Agricultural Society, he would give " J.,ord
Berners and the Royal Agricultural Society.
The CHAIRMAN acknowledged the compliment.
• Vice- Chancellor KINDERSLEY said ho !mist ac-
knowledge himself totally ignorant of agricultural
matters.' He was a judge. in equity—he was ncci
judge of South Downs or Leicosters ; butti ho
with much gratification the success of
the
amt
kin-
dred societies, and ho marvelled at. vas
im-
and breeding of animals.
.Tak , pigs.
He, which had been meadfoeriinnsttahneefeeetneg.
ya,ndstftilillecilleevsso uotfl.ythbeeir-
IHiee;eidu,
llorioskiiigignotoratnhte
coats, that they could arrive at a consunimation so
silkinessnill
devoutly to be wishel (from the beautiful pile of
the pigs' coats), that they would eventually be
enabled to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
(Laughter.) He was equally ignorant as to the
merits of long-horns or short-horns. The only
horns he had to deal with were the horns of a
dilemma. (Great laughter.) Ho regarded this
Conclusion,
and honorary
ioi ,
meeting as one of the descendants of the true old
Eprnogploisshe d yt
he oe nay
jecne:
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dheenetrss:
es o
secretary.
The toast was responed to • outer
complimentary
toasts following, and the company separated at a
late hour.
.Mr. Coggin aet'ea toastmaster
in a very cre-
ditable manner.

The CHAIRMAN, in opening the business, said it
would be difficult to exaggerate the importance of
the subject which they had assembled to discuss
that night. It was no new thing to complain of
the misgovernment of the millions of India ; but
recent events forced India on the attention of the
British put lic in such a manner that the question
could no torseer be evaded. At the close of the
last session the Indian crisis came upon them with.
the(Io) slltitidtttleedmilieissthoaft acotuenrthraydboy,
taiiiiodpaettraorcrilitiyesofwtehree
East India Company which would be remembered
for many a long year. There must be a cause for
this. (Hear.) It was their duty to ascertain that
cause. They must see if the real cause of these
events was not to be found in the existence of an
irresponsible government. (Cheers.) The imme•
diete cause of the insurrection in India was the an-
nexation of Oude. (near.) The policy of annexa-
tion had been too long pursued, and at last the
people broke out in rebellion. Mr. Norton in his
hook said that the police of spoliation pursued for
the last eight years by 11,U (1 aillionsie did more to
alienate the people of India than OH a century of
previous misru'e. Gross misgovernment and mis-
management characterised their rule in India, and.
the climax at last came in the rebellion now raging
in Oude arid other parts of the country. This sub-
ject would be discussed in the House of Commons,
but the pressure of the people out of doors would
have great effect on the discussions that must theta
take place. s-I:3y good government, bx giving a gocd
land tenure, by speeding the revenue drawn from
the people of _hider for the benefit of India, and hy
giving fair play to the spread of Christianity, he
thought that the people of that country might live
happily under the government of England.
Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE moved the first resolution
as follows :—" That the present rebellion and the
previens complaints in India, complaints of all
ranks and conditions of men, except thoseroe
thatwlm
profited by the monopoly of patronage, prove
the system of the so-called ' double government'
has excited the general hatred and disaffection of
its subjects, and has nearly occasioned the loss of
our Indian empire; and, dierefere, that it is ex-
pedient that the ' double government' should cease ;
that no farmers or trustees of India should any
longer stand between the complaints of the people
and the power and justice of the crown, and that
the supremacy of the Queen and parliament alone
should henceforth be'rec.eguised in India, as it is in
every other part of the British dominions."
He believed that if the news was carried out to
India that the system of irresponsible government
was destroyed, it would do more to restore tran-
quility to India than would the sending out many
regiments of soldiers. They had pursued a policy
in India which was called by the euphuistic name
of annexation, but which was nothing more nor less
than taking from the native princes whatever the
conquerors thought convenient to take. (Hear,
bear.) The conduct pursued by the Indian govern-
ment in battara and Oude was so infamous that it
would get an attorney struck off the rolls if pursued
by an individual. Ho trusted that the government
under which these things were permitted would not
be allowed to continue, in order that the inhabi-
tants of India might know something of the real
character of the English people ; and when the
valour of Englishmen had put down this rebellion,
he hoped the inhabitants of India might know
something of the justice and equity of this nation.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MIALL seconded the resolution. After what
had occurred in India, he hoped they might speak
of the double government of India without being
accused of " utter ignorance of the subject."
(Laughter.) The government of India was so
curious a thing that nothing could be said of it
which was not true and false at the same time. The
government of India was now here and now there,
but it was nowhere when you wanted to make it
responsible for great crimes and great wrongs. The
East India Company acted as buffers to the Board of
Control. (Laughter.) They were powerless to do
good, and convenient instruments for working mis-
chief. The real government in the hands of the
crown. There con dbe no doubt of that. Why,
then, did not the crown take the ostensible govern-
ment 1 There could n be a more dangerous thing
than for a government to have the real power, anti
yet be-eencealed from the eye and control of publio
opinion. (Hear.) Tice Sepoy revolt which inflicted
such unspeakable disasters, lapping the whole
c oTpehtoei
it
plt
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pf
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suanictiodr
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Iblttloor
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some
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seeldn%ti
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ttrioireui
disred he
of the
Company in order to got at the minister—to make
him come out of his dark recess, and do his work,
as every honest man should, in the open face of
day. (Hear.) This was the real meaning of the
cry against the continuance of the double govern-
ment, and it was not a cry of vengeance against
the East India Company. They wanted the East
India Company to stand out of the light in order
that they might see what could be done for the
welfare of that vast portion of the world. He was
desirous to see an end of that jealousy of European
enterpt ise which characterised the past policy of the
Company, and that support which they gave to
Brahmiuical and Mahometan intolerance. He
wanted to ste the physical and moral development
of the people of India. He wanted to see an end.
put to the traditions of a government which com-
menced in commercial cupidity, and still drew its
revenue from a monopoly of salt and of opium.
(Hear.) He wanted to see a smaller military force in
India, less highly paid civil servants, and a free and
ungagged press. (Cheers.) There were difficulties
in the way, to be sure ; but what was difficulty
but the measure of the intelligence and the energy
which was necessary to overcome it ?
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE supported the re-
solution, and expressed his regret that the question
of patronage was made an obstacle in the way of
Indian reform. He would, to secure the general
good, leave the patronage with the Company ; not
but that lie thought there was likely to be as much
corruption in their disposition of it as could pos-;
sibly arise if it were placed in the hands of her
Majesty's Ministers.
Mr. MEAD, in an able speech, explained the dif-
ferent systems of land tenure in India, and strongly
advocated the employment of free labour there for
the growth of cotton, sugar, and oil seeds, as the
only means by which the revenue of the country
could be made to overtake the annual deficit. He
concluded an instructive speech by moving the fol-
lowing resolutions :—" That although a vicious and
irresponsible system of home government, like the
trusteeship of the East India Company, may be well
fitted for extending out Indian empire, by its un-
scrupulous use of force and fraud against the feeble
powers of Asia, still it is evidently unfitted for in-
spiring s o
atincgonßfirditeinsch power in any part of the world,e in British honour, and for con.
and until it be superseded, no effectual step can
be taken towards removing those evils of which the
people of India so justly complain ; such as, a judi-
cial and police administration which gives security
for person or property ; a system of land revenue
which prevents capitalists from investing their for-
tunes in the soil ; a want of irrigation to develop its
boundless riches, and of roads and c dials to bring its
produce to market; a traditionary policy of discour-
agingi British enterprise and settlement infficnedbia,
and a monopoly of all the prizes of
iopolised by the directos of
I patronage hitherto nioi
b os of HAIL teethe •
the East bidit Company e ono
the nominees of time home Governmendt..s.lT:ohualtdthbye
whole body of their countrymen, an
og
fi given ti
Cabinetto the publics
tae tr large 4
oy
aarnd s
ago,tha that, in time
dthewords
Pre-
sident of the Board of Control, means might easily
be adopted for placing the appointments iu India
under that species of managemeut which would not
tend in any degree to injure the principles of the
constitution by increasing the influence of the
in this
Crown.' the attempt to supervise and
administrationcon-
tliiririmelelf'olgirieaotmloteer
trol the detailsecasesoslis
tooruof Indian
country is absurd in theory, pernicious in practice,
suchl
ad no dne
idn, attempttmostithe
henceforth
cae
fnodrtGovernmentb deceptive;
b abne
limited to matters of Imperial policy, and local
checks imposed on the local administration in India,
by the institution of open legislative councils, and
the restoration of the liberty of the press."
These wet e seconded by Mr. WALLER, who favoured
the meeting with Lis experience in the ainier in
which government was administered in India.
Mr. ERNEST JONES 11.10Ved a rider favour of
and announced that it was
Parliamentary Reform,
union between the
now
his wish to encourage a
working and the middle classes, which he before
discountenanced, as the gamslwere likely to be on
one side only.
This was seconded by Mr. ANDREW, and the
resolutions, with the addendum, agreed to.
On the motion of Alderman WIRE, a petition to
the Legislature, founded on the foregoing resolu-
tions, was approved of, and the proceedings term
minted in the usual manner,

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