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might be able to consolidate forms of proceeding-1'
most important branch of the subject. He certal
thought the Bill was well entitled to be read a sec°
;ime, for it was highly desirable that they should bail
digest of the statute criminal law.
Lord DENMAN expressed his concurrence in wholl
had fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend. Thee!
was one object, however, of his Noble and Learl2d
Friend's Bill which he thought ought to be accomplisPj
without delay—he meant the repeal of those obsolete A;
barbarous laws, the continuance of which was a disgr,
, leo
to the criminal code and he trusted that what had fall
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would
his Noble and Learned Friend on the Wroolssit:
not prevent any Noble Lord, nor any Member& r:r
other House of Parliament from introducing measures
the repeal of those laws. A case had been alluded to I.
which a magistrate had been called upon to executel
law which ought at once to be repealed. A Noble L°ll
had also brought forward the case of the laws relatiag„
forestalling and regrating—that was an important exs'i,
pie of evil legislation. Mr. Burke, in 1773, had breugfji
in a Bill which was supposed to have swept awaYmis
those absurdities ; still it appeared there was col 0
law enough left to punish any one carrying on trt`'lete
the way trade was usually carried on, as thou h)3O
were guilty of a misdemeanour. The Noble Lords ted
would also do away with those enactments which sub3eeted
those persons most unjustly to punishment who derv,
from the established religion of the country- 0,
which the great majority of mankind did not knovr:.r,
in existence, and of which those who were the 105,ec1;
norant were the most likely ti suffer by their Thies
tion. He was pleased to find that the atttiol
of the Legislature had been directed to the consaultul
and simplification of the criminal code. He was aileJ
afraid, however, that their Lordships might be °lot:
into the idea that they were no* applying a roost exile
tual remedy to a very great evil. His Noble snail
Friend had alluded to the great accumulation cid
reports. Parliament itself had been accessory in "00
degree to that accumulation. It had passed sro
number of new laws of late years, in a great PrO°
of which the construction was by no means es sljc
the interpretation anything but clear, and certftrt
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late years the judgments of the Courts had been reltyj
much more fully and much more accurately tins If,
had been formerly. But the decisions on quesu°,;oo°
Latin g to criminal law formed the smallest Por't
this accumulation. However, he considered ths oc4
passing of this Bill would be a great public jpig
and would remedy 'a pressing evil, by dale
away from the Statute-book those dreadful, scao,,"-
and oppressive enactments, which would disrLy°
law of the, present day. He considered it histnii
state that, in his opinion, their Lordships and 0; for/
try owed a debt to the Commissioners who bad tiff
so much time and so much labour to the improve:o'j
the law of their country, and he considered that teri
lication of the law in this manner, digested 1117„11
ferent heads, would be of the greatest use, not .!
those who were called upon to administer the 181,
to all who had to obey it. He could not concludes O'
ra
out expressing a deep sense of gratitude Ws. 0,
Commissioners who had been engaged in this is
gation. tY
Lord CAMPBELL thought it was a disgrace`-edi'l‘
country that they could not refer, through the:l-es ep
of chapters and sections, to the particular e,rlterunishments attached to them. This was a v- tats:
great importance, not alone with respect to tbsotiP
law, but also as regarded the common law. Dn..: 01::
thought h's Noble and Learned Friend near lulot
Brougham) had overstated the existing evils ; 0g !'
defect was, that they were continually multiplklsk:
laws until at length they became involved in 7di905
In France every province had had separate and bor.,
laws, but that was done away with, much to theorj
of the country, by the Code Napoleon. As all 1,4
tion of his point, he would ask his Noble and , $
Friend, what could be more essential than tom ,vtlio
definition of the word conspiracy? He agr„p
Noble and Learned Friend who had just sat a°,;(itro
the merits of the Commissioners. He certainlyne
that this was a measure which should be ry- e
upon the responsibility of the Government alotip
After a few words from Lord BROUGILIi•
planation,
The LORD CHANCELLOR said he thought
be as well if the ma-Ater rested with the Coraraissye-ri,
who had the best opportunities of becoming
with the bearings of the case. No persons coal° eP
have discharged a difficult and arduous duty °3°
tually than they did. nj
The Bill was then read a second time, *-
Lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May
ADJOURNED DEBATE—FACTO
BILL. bo tiP
Mr. WARD said the Hon. Gentleinee_4l
' just addressed the House had resorted to
venient mode of settling this vexata patio.
assumed that an a priori case had been madesol
favour of his Noble Friend's Bill. He 00i,
men on both sides agreed that if the Bill c°lotii
passed without reducing the remuneration °f
it
or diminishing the wealth of the countrViej
most desirable that it should be passed. 1'
was a truism in which Members on both
the House concurred ; but the question w3;o'te
ther the proposed remedy would not aggritliol
evil? The Honourable Gentleman said the (le -of fro
adult labour had been settled by a majoritcptl&',,
House. Why the House bad formerly deci cisclt`ir
pound note and a shilling were worth 275. It d
merly settled the wages of tailors at 2s. 54d. uvotrirr
dinary circumstances, and ss. 70. in cases ofle° ty
But in six years this was repudiated otior
jurious to the interests of all. The 113niii5J
Gentleman 'opposite (Mr. Milnes) justifiedio
dent desire to interfere, because the 13 0/1
to arl
the power. But was it not necessary ifeF
( co
the right before they exercised the power-101e )
and ought they not to look also to the pr°60419
sequences ?—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. o:ls4!etilif
said that political economy was a very ill,-11,-stg Ate;
-.-that few understood the proper hin,,'"ibis'fbi
which it should be restrained. He knew th2".Th. ef I
tion no longer admitted of going much into dei7ololoo
House was tired of it ; and for that reason, °a t'
night, he was restained from replying to the poll f. 4
on both sides of the House, although he hagfetal'efiltell,
vocation to do so. His Hon. Friend the 000/
, Weymouth had reproached the political P.ithe,,,,‘,t
as cold-blooded theorists who treated men 2'sitiittlelio)
mere machines, or as pieces of wood upon 3 SD Or
_,d'e
to be knocked down as if they had no sePs`: gby
—(Laughter.) The Hon. Member for Nottill-aO/
that he hated long chimneys and political ccooTio be,co,4j
voted three times in favour of the Bill, but II eoilll,ol`
round and voted with him (Mr. Ward), he, ,inghet
as ho said, of his argument. That showed The $e
first, and reflected afterwards.—(Laughter.) ty/100,";
' Gentleman always ridiculed the theorists, hlioe
4t 11„
theory, after all, but to consider, before Yap) rce
thing, what its effects might be ?—(lear, he eeleygl
had observed that those friends of hunianiOrtbeteDes,
ried their principles beyond the point wherels tvh,
to affect their own interests. Now, what,_;g ott 14,
and first best thing to be done, for the Wer"r.)
was it not to give them food ?—(Hear, be 3 foo,'
moment any attempt was made to render as 011°,,ir
and abundant, some one or other of those
c'oeler
manity stood up and said, " No, no, we 31e040-,0
that to be touched." His Hon. Friend the,heir
Weymouth (Mr. Bernal) exclaimed, when,,tob D siP)
to give the working classes cheap sugar', 013°
connected with the West Indies, and
that."—(A laugh.)
~se,
Mr. BERNAL—I never said so. t, lPvteci
Mr. WARD—So, on the other side of tube, pr°ot c`o,l
were met by the cry, "Ag.riculture roust,,bautit'De?
when they attempted to give cheap and tee%,
to the people.—(Cheers.) On a former°c,. sitefigoit
accused the Noble Lord (Ashley) in rawe'net "he
of misrepresentation and exaggeration., 00 Vice
aggeration was his intention, but hec7at"-i,i,„eip.4
dente from which he quoted was the epievAgi'
and the Noble Lord naturally enough reit, .5• fele?'
that was most in favour of his own °
could be more contradictory than the ev'"'nett° get"'
men, physicians, and lawyers. That Wal,h,e
dered at ; for you can prove almost anY,t-,,,fr00. ia;
up a commission, and allowing a few e,rhere ot,
clergymen, and lawyers to manage it• ossio, Fr the
thing that could not be proved by a e°,'l3o
quirt'. He remembered that one lueat'co Des!,o'l-51c,efeA
that the tailors were, as a body, liable 'he tal'aletr
tt A
diseases that could afflict humanity ; Ye bog; foroijor ,
selves-being indignant, proved that, as (Is 11u ./(eirj
remarkably active, fond of athletic gun'e tfs
one of the finest bodies of men to thee
sateeotiqtel:,
hear.) Other trades were treated in th r 001 105
all were found to be liable to some pecultate he 5 )
.he believed the healthies liver° stated coro•iillf
house men and tallow melters.—(ltt'tbo,„;eo,4,
showed they ought sometimes to distr,t',,t,st
,-j
They ought not to do anything to °I to co`'evefv.bl
labour. He was far from wishing th3td b ill
the people should not be improved, abut; it piereeeet
was capable of improvement ;
ameliorations of their fiscal 0, s he Y
t t,
the power of the Chancellor 4rtfraoreheellt, croicA
than a ten hours' clause in an Act
h h
el of et caller°
andai
tory iltawboouurldmtuhsetnbee cfoomunpdartedha: itthert oeo...totreec
which had still stronger claims to 13:1d the
,Y,ltot
were the female milers of SedgeleYiettithegiioeeth lictorl`4
makers of Buckinghamshire. Then,„,_thol-grof hos
was doing in this town ; look at milid'orteetifivteift,
Giles's, and other places ; look at fo
„ee _
of the metropolis, who worked more Thiekia,,rfere,; tb°
a-day, and who had not the Sunday, sent j,,erv,er
labourers enjoyed. He called the p;e Noprelussect !Jo)
blind and blundering benevolence:,
_4O), fteldo 040,110
Member for Dorset bad only on -v
object' it' a f3l/ 1i
the
self to the commercial view of the swoto be ,00 let 1,55
his argument ? He admitted theree said throrai thhe
rel.;
production and wages. But h „p f
aammoouunntt
opfrnoodaul,caedndwo-iolu,
ladndbteallmeNave; "Phiochco;ic Profu_t,l3:l,4lo;
of the north ? Would it no
_America
woollen manufacturers in the
cotton w°,0,0 1",:i (1,
quired. But, would not thist
uld
would be the case, less
ji( opt,
arfaVet' PenProrlfterit
in ten hours than in twelve?an 5140:e the
_o,be.
effect on the shopkeeper u
conveYineit to in, O;
every person employe44
articles of the country from one
re 101111116 j nelc it he
Ifatllwoafs
wages. He
atHthoebsevioirokvemieuthat p,
had t Y cut e
T clergy
that tithe
rut
put fairly before them.
he only pers the tl
would be an Arcadia. T er light iva' letter un 00'
fore them. Dr. Hook represented
the wh°l2ev•
Holly, rector of Bu
subject he would read. (The f the Ylvi
general feeling °
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