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London, England, 1844-03-19 00:00:00

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hop ears ; but it must be granted, that in this case the
had let's of the stock were entitled to some bonus. They .
hod received no bonus by any increase to their capital,
howhen it was considered that there were 81,000
lotiers of this stoek, whose income did not exceed
4e a 3'ear, as tirey had no bonus on their capital, it
baled but fair and reasonable that theyshould have such
st,,°4llBas that which was granted to them by this mea-
hade• In respect to wh at his Noble Friend (Lord Monteagle)
onelaid touching the diminution of the charge of the
le debt, that statement was, no doubt, an accurate
No' and afforded a strong proof of the high clia-
year 'r and credit •of this country. In the
lic: 1829 he had himself called the atten-
th of their Lordships' House to that subject. Between
the Year 1815, when that charge was at its highest, and
charge had not been less than 4,000,000/, representing
caPital of 130 000 000/ Since that period other
then, 7 •
c;" 0115 hod taken place; and, making allowance for
to, 4,0,000,000/. required to carry into effect the measure
tile abolition of slavery, the reduction in the charge
th-anthe funded and unfunded debt was considerably more
~ 4,000,000/. annuay. This showed most clearly
L 4 satisfactorily, that while: hey scrupulously respected
ood f •
.aith, they were enabled from time to time, to get
t°l some portion of their debt.
lerd AIONTEAGLE wished to add one word to
to taht had fallen from him, and give his meed ofraise
at part of the Chancellor of the Exchequer's plan
hsch went to equalise the payments o f he dividends. .1 his
called for out of doors, nor had it any necessary
the ~exion with the plan itself ; but having regard to
look",,urreney, and the engagements of the. country, he
trj,, Upon it as a measure fraught with the highest
Takntage to all classes of the country.
Thrue two Bills for the reduction of the two classes of
hae-and a-Half per Centum Annuities were then
a second time.

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The earl of FITZWILLIAM said, he had to pre-
ka,,• ' to their Lordships a petition signed by the Chair-
on behalf of what he understood to have been a
pits large meeting of the inhabitants of
intg°l; praying their Lordships to take
the° their consideration the points to which
fol alluded in the course of that petition. They
th.,4;led their right of addressing their Lord-
ellgis.on the state of that country, which they said
blid"lted, a great number of features indicative of the
eon .'"ueY which had been pursued with respect to that
nt• ry.
They urged that that policy was
the to excite the utmost contempt for
in" existing laws and institutions and a grow-
It hatred of all connection with Great Britain.
eoncluded the petition with one remarkable pro-
st,:lion on which he. would say a few words. They
pl4,d that one principal grievance of which Ireland com-
it4ed was the Established Church, which was not only
kj,,erant and exclusive in spirit and character, but op-
tli4" to the conviction of a great body of the people,
tin,, it was used as a tool of political fac-
-0,4-'1 and subversive of general tranquillity. That such
th:'tahlishment (and this was the important part of
that r proposition) did not admit of being amended, and
it must, to obtain the pacification of Ireland, be
ti:' 17 abolished. Now, his opinion of this section of
th, Petition was entirely different from that of
ot,1„, Petitioners ; he was by no means of
lfsillon that the cluirch of England ought •to be abo-
Clih' in Ireland'; on the contrary, he thought the
teen of England in Ireland ought to be made more
it t for the only true purposes for which
the -"pt exist. He believed that England and
-tngliSh Legislature had been guilty of
of Irat crime in depriving the great mass of the people
I.Qlvaeland of the mea of spiritual instruction and
741). It had been ens a great crime in the English
slature, that they had proscribed the Catholic
eEiThipod, and deprived them of the means of properly
;tril rating religious service in that country. It was not,
of tjtPBl the crime of the British Legislature alone, but
of,",*? great growing power of the British community,
meh those in office were only the administrators.
tiawaa told that a proposition of supporting a Catholic
ktp.would be distasteful to the English people—the
I,4h,c)ilea themselves would not agree to it—that it
7, excite the hostility of the Dissenters of England,
raft that of the Presbyterians of Scotland. Now a man
hoprWith many things distasteful to him between the
*4, or his birth and the hour of his death. A nation
his hot exempt from the fate of individuals. The
qe,,°ters of England, the Presbyterians of Scotland,
(44 the Irish Catholics might have to do many things
„,r,tejui to thom—even the Church of England itself
,
be brought to feel that there might be something
is, more disagreeable than being brought to give up
al); e small portion of that which had been hitherto
lZt°Priated to that sect, of which the Right Rev. Pre-
1' were the ministers and ornaments. Notwithstand-
ehe rebuke he once received from a Right Rev. Pre-
kit he must persevere in saying that the Church of
uth'and was but a sect—the Catholic Church was an-
of :r---the Presbyterians of Scotland, the Independents
thZitland, were all sects—and perhaps it might be a
tic;;l7 pill for that sect which had hitherto been the
)41.111ant one, to feel that the time was not far distant
Vi,ll Some portion of those resources which had been ap-
tit;:` to itself alone, should be appropriated, in a certain
three, to the maintenance of other establishments. He
4i,ellt it was quite chimerical to talk of making the
bey". priesthood stipendiary. Such a project would
tto. There would be rumours abroad which were
14%;,„Y to impress upon some minds such a belief, but he
pe47,Bted against making the Roman Catholic priesthood
tht:°,llers. If anything Was to be done, it was that
Ckti, B,,tkould place the Protests it rector and the Roman
tto.,"1:410 priest upon the same grounds, and give both an
t;1 interest in the peace and well-being' of the coun-
hrtiguiand that the former should not assume airs to
eresir While the other must be conscious of his
late,;itY• What he wanted was to give a perfect
40 4'7, to the two great _sects, and be could see
mat difficulty in accomplishing this. - When it was
lliihered that daring the last' 150.years,:the eccle-
clitzwal property of Ireland had heen entirely confis-
erCl' R.,,and taken away from those who held it
117; and applied to other purposes than its
No„..N°l3eses, there was no man in the House so
,Of nary as to suppose that this exclusive Church
411,1 eland would ever convert the people of Ire-
did Such a vision was foolish, but if it ever
koresent itself for a moment, he thought it must very
colt mue banished, by reflecting on the years which have
*4" en, and the generations which have passed away,
%,thOlit the slightest alteration in the state of the
!it (lie religion of Ireland. On the contrary,
4,t4 ;_e present moment, the Catholics of Ireland
„eid trreased in numbers in a much greater ratio than
Ito, v",'„4 Protestants. If any inference could be drawn
,bt hhe did not mean to do so—it would
laki-It the though
of the Established Church in Ire-
,ealQ,A..' 80 far from increasing Protestantism, had been
J,4sti
t7ted to increase the other sect. He thought that
-e to Ireland required. that they should no
er

ifSY Rupert take possession of the whole- ecclesiastical
ve-toli The I„,Y of Ireland, and apply that property to
%!t fe use and benefit of one sect, and that sect
1.0 44‘,40et wealthy and most able to provide them-
' jo
0 Bereaa with the ministrations of religion. Until
be "ado" was something like a fair and equal
It
"ado" of the Church property, there could
A ~11° pace or happiness in that country.
11*-4ht not be done this session, it might not be done
tlnii;t, but they might depend upon it that the people
country, even the most prejudiced of them, must
t,,ZIBIIP their minds to do something on this subject.
gweii, the Roman Catholic question in another form.
had years might pass away, but still it must be done.
heard certain wise men, or perhaps he might
tkio4lBeacres, who had said that at the time of the
ettiti" Roman Catholic question ought to have been
Vestio°lle way or the other. Now, there were certain
oka,„lls Which could only be settled one way, and the
Catholic question was one of them ; and the
hil,_question also was of the same sort. He
hem to maintain the -Church of England in Ire-
-401.t4 present state. He wished to see the Protest-
'lKion maintained in Ireland—he wished to
\e Protestant parishes maintained—he wished
the property of those parishes main•
and applied parochially, He would have
Ido with spoliation, nor with taking property
`!ommunities, to throw it into a sort of bodge-
,e dealt with by the executive Government.
tial to the cause of liberty that these minor
should be maintained. That which he de-
me might be easily done, if men would but
prejudices. He was no repealer, and he
lgland and Scotland would not find an
rent in favour of repeal by refusing to
-eland. What he wished to see done
the Church of England in Ireland,
strengthen its foundations. He had
"Lis sentiments on the subject, and
-Resenting the petition.
:LINGTON thought that nothing
'?.nient than raising a discussion of
mere presentation of a petition,
"Lich the Noble Lord had entered
state of the Protestant religion
compact entered into for its
red to the whole foundation of
9untry. The Noble Lord had
s particulars of which he was
neither was he certain as to
carried into effect, nor of
results ' • but it went to the
ch the Reformation in this
took the opportunity of
they introduced measures
hey went not only to do
country, as it was esta-
nation, but to the sub-
'on which was founded
laintenance of which
anion was interested.
to encourage those
'e laws upon which
egged them to re-
Id existed over a
0 years. It was
ury of constant
struggle for the
Its maintained
‘leir Church.
century, op-
descriptions,
period of
ver to con-
at Church
it Lord-
id never
aiplored
tion in
-1 their
)t de-
`,h as
-red
en