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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF _LORDS, Feb. 22.
DEANERY OF DROMORE.
Lord AIONTEAGLE, in rising to move. for certain
papers respecting the recent appointment to the Deanery

of Dromore, would remind their Lordships of a discus-
:ion which had taken place last session respecting the
Arehdeaconry of Armagh. On that occasion it ap-
peared to him that the appointment to that Aren-
deaconry had been the act of the:Home Government. but
he thought with regard to the appointment to which he
as about to direct their Lordships' attention, he should be
ible to prove that the Irish Government was responsibc.
n the former session it had not been denied that the
recommendation of the Eecle,iastieal Commissioners for
the severance of the two parishes constituting the Arch-
deaconry of Armagh had been disregarded, and the
only ground assigned for departing from that recom-
mendation was the excellent private character of the
individual appointed. It should be recollected that the
avoidance of that deanery had been the act of the Go-
vernment itself, which had preferred the then Arch-
deacon to a bishopric. The emoluments of the Arch-
deaconry amounted to 1,000/. a year, and there were
upwards of 3,000 Protestants in each of the two parishes
of which it was composed, and there was no resident
incumbent. With regard to the Deanery of Dromore,
the Rev. Holt Waring had been recently appointed to
that deanery. The Noble Lord had stated that that
was an appointment without any emolument ; but he
thought the Noble Lord must be mistaken. 'The
deanery consisted of two parishes, 15 miles by nine in
extent, and containing a large population of Protestants.
The tithes at the time of the Ecclesiastical inquiry,
after paying all expenses, left a clear profit for the Dean of
Dromore of 2501. Therefore, he thought that the Noble
Lord must have been misinformed when he stated that the
office of the Dean of Dromore was one without emolument.
He had, ut least, prima facia grounds for believing that
the deanery was not now without emoluments• attached
to it. With respect to the propriety of the selection,
he would appeal to the authority of the Government
itself. He then quoted the letter written by Sir
Robert Peel, in September, 1841, to the Lord-Lieute-
nant of Ireland, stating that in his distribution of the
Church patronage in Ireland he was to be guided by the
merits, worth, and professional abilities of the candi-
dates. This letter transferred all the responsibility of such
appointments from the Government in Downing-street to
the Irish Government. Then, who was the gentleman
selected to fill this appointment—to a dignity which was
next to that of a bishop ? He would quote to their
Lordships extracts of evidence which was given before
their Lordships in 1825. In that year, at the suggestion
of Lord Liverpool and the Marquis of Wellesley, one of
the most serious inquiries that was ever undertaken with
respect to Ireland was commenced. In the evidence of
one individual, taken before that Committee, there was
a recommendation to their Lordships to repeal the Act
of 1793, and to take the franchise from the Roman
Catholics. He said that this might conduce towards the
tranquillity of tke country, as it would give confidence
and satisfaction to the Protestants of Ireland. He said
it would make the Protestants better, and the Catholics
no worse.—(Hear, hear.) The next question put to him
was, on what grounds he considered the Roman Catholics
were always found in opposition to the Government ?
His answer was, their almost universally being bound
by oaths of a treasonable nature, and their having
been convicted of acting up to those oaths in many
instances in which they had been tried ? And who
was the individual who gave this evidence? Why,
the Rev. Holt Waring, whom the Government had
themselves selected to be appointed to the Deanery of
Dromore. In the Orange documents, presented to the
Committees of 1833 and 1834, the Rev. Mr, Dolt
Waring was again found, under the name of Grond
Chaplain to the Orange Socieiy, the Orange lodge hav-
ing been dissolved. At the present moment, he under-
stood there were attempts making in the north of Ire-
land to reconstruct the Orange lodges. He, therefore,
wished to know whether the appointment was
one without emoluments, and on what grounds
the Government had made the appointment? If
men of that description were made the objects of
the distribution of Church patronage in Ireland, were
not the principles of Sir R. Peel's letter entirely de-
parted from? He concluded by moving for copies of
the orders for appointing the present Dean of Dromore,
a return of the parishes constituting the deanery, and a
copy of any order subsequently issued affecting the re-
venues of the deanery, and showing the exact amount of
them at that moment.

The Earl of RIPON said he should not oppose the
motion, of the. Noble Lord; but he was mistaken with
respect to one or two material facts on which he had
relied. By the Act of 1834, a power was given to the
Church Commissioners to suspend appointments to
deaneries, but by a subsequent Act those suspensions
could be removed by the sanction of the Lord-Lieu-.
tenant in council only, on condition, however, that all
the revenues should be severed from them. -The Deanery
of Dromore was so suspended, and the suspension was,
according to the Act, subsequently removed, but
the revenues were severed from it, and dis-
tributed among the six vicarages forming the deanery.
The Noble Lord read extracts from the speech of Mr.
Holt Waring before a Committe, given in 1825, nine-
teen years ago. His Noble Friend had an accurate
memory, and seemed to have a scrutinising eye. He
(Earl of Ripon) bad not the slightest remembrance of such
evidence having been given ; and even though those
opinions had been given in a very solemn manner, they
should not be scrutinised with too much minuteness. It
was not many who could stand the test of such minute
consistency. He thought it was rather ungenerous to re-
vive those forgotten transactions, in order to bring a
deserving individual into. odium. Allusion had been
'made to Parliamentary interest having been used in the
appointment, but the fact was, Parliamentary interest
had nothing to do with it. What it was that induced
the Lord-Lieutenant to make the appointment was the
fact that a memorial had been presented from several
most influential individuals to the Lords Justices in
favour of Mr. Waring. This gentleman was recom-
mended to fill the deanery because he was the oldest
beneficed clergyman in the diocese. The Bishop at once
confirmed this appointment. Be thought that some ob-
servations which had been made regarding the character
of Mr. Waring, were not just or well founded.
The Duke of WELLINGTON—Besides, he resided in
the neighbourhood.
Earl of RIPON—Yes, that is so. Very few could,be
found to fill the deanery. If he were not misformed
the Lord-Lieutenant who preceded his Noble Relative
had offered the appointment to a clergyman, who de-
clined it on the ground of its being so profitless. He
readily admitted that the conduct of this gentleman had
at one time been evidently enthusiastic and full of pre-
judice, but when the' resolution of the House of Com-
mons regarding the Orange lodges had been made
known to the country, he exerted his influence to the
utmost to bring the members of the Orange body into
compliance with the law.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said, that although the
profits of the deanery were•not very great, the labours
were exceedingly trifling. In fact, it was almost a
sinecure. The Noble Earl spoke of persons changing
their opinions in the course of nineteen years.—
(Hear, hear.) Some did and some did not change
them. He had stated a very strong objection to
the appointment of Mr. Holt Waring a few nights ago—
that objection he repeated. Mr. Waring had attended
a public meeting, at the head of a large body of men.
The object of that meeting was not as stated by his Noble
Friend, to'preserve the union, but, by a demonstration of
physical force, to overawe the Executive Government
of the country. It was but one of the many clerical ap-
pointments made by the present Government since their
return to office which had given grave and just offence
to the great body of the Catholic community. The dig-.
nities and honours of the Church had been given to none
but the most violent partizans.—(lronical cries of " Hear,
hear," from the Ministerial benches.) While all the
Church patronage was bestpwed in that manner, it was
impossible to make the Roman Catholic population be-
lieve that the Government were sincere in the profes-
sions of impartiality which they had made. The Noble
Earl (Roden) who had been Grand Master of the
Orange lodges, and whose conduct had been precisely
similar to that of Mr. Holt Waring, had not been ap-
pointed to the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland, yet there
would have been the same consistency in such an ap-
pointment as that of Mr. Holt Waring to the deanery of
Dromore.

Lord WIIARNCLIFFE—It would have been better if
the Noble Lord had refrained from raking up matters
which bad occurred 20 or 25 years ago. He thought that,
especially at the present time, „it was better to forget
these things. Mr. Holt Waring had submitted respect-
fully to the resolution of the Douse of Commons. and
had acted in the spirit of that resolution. With re-
spect to the charges made against the present Govern-
ment, regarding Church appointments in Ireland, they
had not made one they were ashamed of, or which they
were not prepared to justify.
Lord CAMPBELL observed that the Noble Earl had
stated that Mr. Holt Waring was appointed at a time
when there was no agitation in Ireland.
Earl of RIPON—I did not say so.
Lord CAMPBELL—You said, when there was little
agitation in Ireland.
Earl of RIPON—What I said was

Ldfd CAMPBELL—I beg the Noble Earl's pardon ;
he certainly did say that the appointment had been
made at a time when there was little agitation. However,
I shall be very happy to hear the Noble Earl's expla-
nation.

Earl of RIPON—Oh, no I The Noble Lord may say
what he likes—l will not interrupt him.
Lord CAMPBELL was sorry if he had misunderstood
the Noble Earl. The Noble Lord had attempted to
defend the Irish Church appointments, but the fact was,
those appointments had been very much calculated to
give offence to the Roman Catholic population of Ireland.
The policy of the Government, and the manner in which
it exercised its patronage, had been one of the causes of
the present lamentable agitation and excitement in Ire-
land.—(Laughter from the Ministerial benches.) Mr.
Holt Waring, since the year 1825, had expressed senti-
ments against the Roman Catholics as a body of a
most offensive character. He (Lord Campbell) did not
deny that in 1836 he had done his best to discourage
the Orange lodges. So far so well ; but that did not
give any ground for supposing that he had changed his
opinions with regard to the Catholics—that he respected
their rights more than he had previously done—or that
lie was willing to live in peace and kindness with them.
There was no evidence that his opinions or his views had
been altered ; and he (Lord Campbell) still thought his
appointment highly censurable, and that the public r. as
under obligation to his Noble Friend behind him for
bringing th matter under the attention of the House.
The Duke of WELLLINGTON would just recal to
the 1-1 on. and Learned Lord's recollection that r hich
had been stated by a friend of his, but which the Noble
and Learned Lord seemed wholly to have forgotten.
And that was, that this gentleman was recommended
for appointment to the office he now held, The chap-
ter of Dromore had petitioned for an extension to their
body, and the Lord; tJustices, in compliance with that
petition,had given them the advantage of a dean to their
body. There had been a petition for this addition to
that clerical body, and that clerical body itself had re-
commended Mr, Holt Waring, and Solicited hip nomina-
tion to it. This had all been left out of the case, So
ooessary was it t 9 tau down the Reverend Gentleman

for what he had said nineteen years ago, that those lit-
tle but essential facts werc'entirely left cut of their con- 1
sideration by the Noble Lords opposite.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said, it was the ob-
ject of the Noble Lords. opposite. to get up, if,they could,
a complication of grievances in Ireland, in order to party
effect out of doors. In -this- instance he was " '

far from

being astonished at what had taken place, :zee* from
what quarter the proceedings had come. But he begged
to tell the Noble Lords opposite, that these things were
most injurious to the peace of fire-sides in Ireland. It
was most injurious to the peace and safety
of families, that' all these appointments of the
Government should be held up in this invidious
manner. What could be more unfair than to
allude to what had taken place four years before Catholic
emancipation, for the purpose of calling down public
odium upon an individual ? Nothing but the most un-
handsome feeling could have suggested to take up what
had been said previous to the passing of that measure.
When that Bill passed into a law they had entered upon
a new era, and from that era Noble Lords ought
rather to judge the acts of individuals than before it.
The Noble and Learned Lord Campbell had said that
the appointment of Mr. Holt Waring. had been con-
sidered by the Roman Catholics as an insult, and that
it had been a great cause in the pro Motion of the cry
for repeal. Now he (Lord Westmeath) had read every
word that had been published in the newspapers con.
cerning the proceedings of the Repeal Association, and
he declared he had never seen the Rev. Dean's name
ever mentioned in them.. But in what position did the
Noble Lord (Monteagle) stand, who was then so ready
to attack others ? What was his position, he asked, in
respect of the public purse ? Who was there that could
not remember that some time ago there was an old man,
who held a patent office, with a salary of 2,000 i a
year, and that, old as he was, the Noble Lord was
afraid he would outlive the tottering Administra-
tion with which the Noble Lord was so long
connected ? What happened then ? This old
gentleman was pensioned off, in order that that
Noble Lord might succeed to that patent office before
that miserable Government was driven from power.
Those were facts ; and he could not help telling the
Noble Lord that, in his opinion, the two words, Holt
Waring," looked as well attached, to this underhand
deanery, as ever did those of " Spring Rice" to a pen-
sioned peerage.—(At the conclusion of thesewords there
were cries of " Order, order ;" and the Duke of Rich-
mond was seen to go round to the bench were the Earl
of Westmeath sat, and to -enter into conversation with
that Noble Lord.)
Lord MONTEAGLE said he should not say one
word on the taste which had been displayed by the
Noble Earl who had last spoken, nor make any personal
observation in reply to him. Ile should merely say that
he treated with the most utter unconcern—not to use
any harsher or less Parliamentary term—what hadbeen
uttered by that Noble Lord against himself. He should
not have brought forward his present motion if he had
not thought it his duty to do so. Before giving notice
of it he had carefully looked over the rules laid down by
Sir Robert Peel himself, to regulate his conductwith re-
gard to Church appointments, and he had compared the
principle therein enunciated with the appointment of
this Reverend Gentleman. The principle and the conduct
were so incongruous that he considered it his duty to
notice the matter. And in doing so, his object had not
been to say anything adverse to that Reverend Gentle-
man, but to get a justification from the Government for
their conduct. He, for one, did not regret having made
the motion.

The Duke of RICHMOND said he did not rise to
speak on the subject, but to offer a suggestion on an
expression or two which in the heat of debate had un-
fortunately fallen from a Noble Marquis on his right.
From that Noble Marquis expressions had fallen in
the heat of debate which certainly partook of a per-
sonal character, and which all must regret the use
of.—(Hear, hear.) Latterly some occurrences of a
similar nature had taken place in that House, which he
was greatly afraid would give reason to the public to say
that there was not the dignity and dedorum which ought
ever to characterise their Lordships' proceedings.—
(Hear, hear.) He asked how could the country look
up to them with respect if they did not try to keep
their tempers, and to carry on their proceedings with
mutual forbearance and decorum?—(Hear, hear.) He
really should recommend the Noble Earl to say, that in
the heat of debate he had used remarks of a personal
nature, which he regretted to have done.—(llear, hear.)
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said, that having
been called upon by the Noble Duke (Richmond) in the
handsome way which he had been, he begged to say he
had no desire to show any disorderly feeling in the con-
duct of the business of that House. He certainly did
feel very much as to the mischief caused in Irelsnd to
the peace and safety of families by the constant discus-
sions on the subjects brought under their noticeby Noble
Lords opposite. Following, however, the advice so kindly.
tendered to him by the Noble Duke (Richmond), he had
no objection to state his regret, that, in speaking on the
matter before the House, he had exceeded the bounds of
fair discussion, and that what had fallen from him he re-
gretted.
The motion was then withdrawn by leave, and the
House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 22.
STATE OF IRELAND—ADJOURNED DEBATE.

Mr. GREGORY said the Hon. Member for Edin-
burgh had made use of the expression that Ireland was
always combustible, although not always on fire.
He could have wished that the Hon. Gentleman had re-
flected upon that • sentiment, for he (Mr. Gregson) had
never heard a speech in that House which was more
Calculated to effect that combustion of which the Hon..
Member had spoken, than the speech of the Hon. Gentle-
man himself.---(Cheers.) That speech was a mere re-
suscitation of all the bitter wrongs under which Ireland
had ever suffered. These wrongs had now passed away,
and therefore no good could result from any attempt to
call back the recollection of them.—(Cheers.) The-Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down had commented upon
the conduct of the Irish Attorney-General in alluding to
Mr. M'Grath. He (Mr.. Gregory) did not believe that
his Hon. and Learned Friend meant to attach any stigma
to the name of Mr. M‘Grath. His Hon. and Learned
Friend (Mr. haw) had also repudiated any such inten-
tion. What those Hon. and Learned Gentlemen had
said was, that a strong impression existed in Dublin that
blame was not to be attached to the law officers of the
Crown, but to those persons who had obtained access to
the office of Mr. M'tlrath. Allusion had been made in
the course of this debate to the state of the elective
franchise in Ireland. It had been stated that the re-
restriction of the franchise in Ireland was owing to an
unwillingness on the part of the landlords to grant
leases. This was not the east The reason was an un-
willingness on the part of the Irish peasants to register
themselves, on account of the power that might be
brought against them in the exercise of that franchise
by the Irish priesthood. The Noble Lord, the Mem-
ber for London, in alluding
,to the state of the Irish
franchise, had stated, on the authority of Mr. O'Connell,
that the registered electors of Yorkshire were equal in
number to the registered electors of all the counties in
„Ireland. Now he had not supposed that in the eyes of
the Noble Lord population was the only basis of repre-
sentation. If it were the only basis, why did they not
propose to alter the constituencies of England.—(Hear,
hear.) Why should Tamworth • with its 300 electors
have the same weight and influence in that House as
Birmingham, with-its 5,000, or Manchester with its
6,000.-(Hear, hear.) Why did he not adopt the
Chartist propbsition, and divide England at once into
20,000 districts ?—(Hear, hear.) He would remind the.
House of the words of the Noble Lord the Member for
Sunderland, who said that if they increased the franchise
in Ireland they would only be putting weapons in the
hands of those who were the friends of Ireland. In his
(Mr. Gregory's) opinion by increasing the constituences
of Ireland they would be putting weapons not into the
hands of those who were the friends of Ireland, but of
those who had established and were continuing agitation
in that country.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the.
Established Church, another monster grievance—
(Hear, hear, from the Opposition) he was
happy eto say that had received two assurances
in that House which convinced him that that Establish-
ment was not destined to be-Overthrown. He referred
to the assurances of the Noble Lord the Secretary for
the Colonies, and of the Right Hon. Baronet, declaring
that it was their intention to abide by that institution.
--(Cheers.) He believed that were this question left to
the eircinsiiri legislation of Hon. Members opposite.
they would find considerable difficulty in settling it. He
could not but refer to the statement, that the Catholic
religion had been stigmatised as false and idolatrous.
He begged to say, in reference to that subject, that
having been entrusted with a petition, containing lan-
guage of that description, and having forwarded it to the.
Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for the
Home Department, for presentation, he received. a few
days afterwards, a letter from the Right Hon. Baronet,
stating that he did not consider it his duty to pre-
sent her Majesty with an address which breathed
sentiments so disrespectful to a large portion of her
subjects.—(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.)
It had been stated that the present Government in. Ire-
land was a government by the sword. If it were so,
let the blame rest with those to whom this state of things
was attributed. The idea of repeal was not a mere ab-
stract love of having ;a Parliament on College-green.
It was no vague speculation of a band of enthusiasts ;
but it was the focus in which centered all the wrongs
and grievances of Ireland. It was the murmur of the
Catholic priests against the Eitablished Church, which
they were determined to overthrow. It was the com-
plaint of the poor man, who was driven to that extremity
that any change was hailed as an advantage to him.
They might rest assured that the agitation would con-
tinue, and the House might depend on it that the priests
and agitators of that country would continue to demand
from them what they could not conscientiously grant,
and what would be indignantly refused by the Protest-
ants and Dissenters of England.
Mr. BELLEW said he considered that in the late
State trials the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been
most unfairly treated, and also that the traversers had
been unfairly dealt with. He considered that the Irish
franchise was most unsatisfactory. It should be founded,
he thought, upon some test of rating or valuation, which
would place it quite out of the power of either of the
to o great parties into which the country was divided.
He certainly could not speak very flatteringly of the
course pursued by the Noble Lord who had brought in
the Irish Registration Bill, or say that it was likely to
increase the respect in which the character of a states-
man should be held. There was one thing he felt bound
to acknowledge, that he considered the administration of
justice at present, was superior to that of the period
during which the' Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir It.
Peel) was in power in 1831. The appointment of stipen-
diary magistrates had conferred incalculable bel)Vfits
upon Ireland, and he cared not whether they were ap-
pointed by a Whig pr a 'f,:wy Admini§tmtiOo, for they
were far bettop than the unpaid magistrates,
no matter
what infight be their
politics, inasmuch as they were
obliged to render an account of their conduct to a supe-
rior o=4 Ile certainly, ae a Catholic gentleman,

wl sa that he was not under manligations PI
th oua
cdouttey :y shown by the Noble Lordy ob
, the Secrets*?
for the ....o.on w .es, hen lie was, alluding to the
oath presented to" be taken by ' thßoman CaoliS;
le
The Government might depend that the agitation _
the repeal of the union would never cease until soils,
alteration was made with respect to the Establishes
Church in Irelainl. They ought to endeavour to toe!t_
such an arrangement as would give satisfaction to tn_
three great denominations in Ireland. Until this e"
accomplished agitation in Ireland would continue. rr/
one seemed to agree that some alteration in the Po,
testant Establishment in Ireland was necessary> And.
no attempt was made to effect an alteration. 11,eit
glad that the Landlord and Tenant Commission had
appointed, because he felt that it would turn Pu.wr
attention to the subject. He believed that the Coutoe e?:
sion had been appointed by the Right Hon. Barone
First Lord of the Treasury in good faith, with the intena
tion of improving the relations between landlord 11114
tenant. The present system was fraught with the tot
frightful evils. Most of those evils were attributed tut
the landlords; but this was.not just, for he knew tear
there were many landlords who would improve t'!„,`"e
estates if they possessed the means. At the same
he knew that there were many landlords who did posit
the means, but who did not possess the will. lie thc4 h
the relation Qf 'landlord and tenant and the Chlll:c_,
question were the two most important questions with
they
spect to Ireland that the Government could turn

attention to.
Mr. LIDDELL rose to expresi his regret et wtabil6
had fallen from the Hon. Member for Northei*i to
shire (Mr. S. O'Brien) the other night, with respect
rd
the conduct of the Noble Marquis who was the latelb,
Lieutenant of Ireland. He was sorry to renal t° bbd
Hon. Gentleman's recollection the words which he
ob,
used. The Hon. Gentleman, in the course of his
servations, had said that the Noble Marquis duril)gor
administration in Ireland had made theatrical stud 'a,iS
tatious displays. lie (Mr. Liddell) was prepared.
'-
mit that in the progress of the Noble Marquis,
the country, at the time the prisonerS were
without the intervention of judge or jury, he diu,
some indiscretion. He (Mr. Liddell), however, 74g
that the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland had 11-00
been filled with more becoming dignity, or wirtuZblo
satisfaction to the Irish people, than it was by tue„%s of
Marquis.—(Cheers.) He might say that the au,j,oo
the office had been performed with dignity /11• The
ostentation, or with aftability without affectation. To
private charities of the Noble Marquif and foriS their
were'ibnly limited by the opportunities affordedot
exhibition. Many were the persons in the fenf the
of Ireland who had felt the beneficial effects cl-lia9
Noble Marquis's kindness. —(Cheers.) ThOicsi;erf,
of those whom the Noble Marquis had found in 14'61;
but left in freedom, were ready to bless the name 0t tv
Marquis of Normanby.—(Cheers.) With respect,
his his appointments, they had given general satier'iir
Those appointments were always most carefulgposa
sidered by_ the Noble Marquis, and were always felt
felt
of with the greatest propriety.. He (Mr. I,idcleior
bound to say thus much in vindication of the Nobled
quis, for he was unwilling that his defence eilloule*
tirely rest with gentlemen on the other side of the

" Agsentem qui rodit amicum ;

Qui non defendit, alio-culpante ; solutos
Qui captat risus hominum, famamque dicacis
Fingere qui non visa potent ; commissa tacere stet
Qui nequit; hic niger est; hum tu, Romane, 0,11,014
With respect to the question before the House, ef..Aegb!
merely say, that any accusation that .had • been big''
by Hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the 11°7 Go;
been fully met, and he was happy to say that t
vernment had received as full a vindication as the, "Iseir
desire ; and he had to congratulate thein
triumph in, argument, as he had no doubt he seL,ioe.
have to congratulate them on the result of the oi"
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN could assure the so
Gentleman that, in the remarks he had 1:11
had meant nothing discourteous' to the late Vgatalial.
P
' tenant of Ireland. He could assure the H. to esr,
man, that he had never intended for a moment of tb."
• the slightest reflection upon the private eharaeter.4 •
Noble Lord. What he had said was, and he ties'
hered to the opinion, that, in letting out the 13' .
in Ireland, the Noble Marquis had proceeded in 'ice.
trical manner, as though he wished to raakeaen e of IV
. Mr. HUME thought that the administration tisfoc:
. Noble Marquis in Ireland had given perfect '!tie tlo,'
tion to all parties, and he was sure that in
he should be borne out by the vi hole people ° coo bf
He wished he could say the same thing of t the ‘!e:.
whom he had been succeeded. With respect tot pig,-
fence set up by the Irish Attorney-General las.a,
he must say that he had utterly failed in convieftterd'
(Mr. Hume) that the course which he had Sitrietell3,
free from blame. Mr. O'Connell had a right
that the jury panel should be quashed. It was it" ogee tI
• to say that if it had been so quashed, all other ea o'o,
be tried during the year would have been affected., JO)
Mr. O'Connell to be punished because an Genf
been committed which would affect other trials?„ GOO;
Hume) considered that the Hon. and Leaararr didman had utterly failed in his explanation. De b$ tv
wish to revive the recollection of past grievanee;oest;
he more particularly wished to allude to were th,ie ?wie*
It might be said that he was not an Irishman. Ile well/.
upon the people of that country as Ins fellow-stst
Ireland was a part of the British empire, and filsepst;
portant part. He had always opposed uli
-
tion, because he considered that if the ,
was fairly carried out, Ireland must be benefited beta;
The poor country was invariably the better hl scot'
connected with the rich one. What advantegen%e.t;
• land had gained by the union I Incalculable &do?
• and, if Ireland had been treated On the same Pri?cifa
Scotland she would be now happy and &awe
fro
l
(Hear; hear.) The Hon. Gentleman then quoted Did `
the speech of King George the Third at the: oPegoiel
Parliament, in the year 1800, "in which his the
most cordially congratulated the House nil, cow.
vancement of that measure, and said that nothleed
be so well calculated to increase the prosrritleple bv;
empire, and his Majesty's speech led the Irrsh.roon
expect that they would from the time of the'„,ioeo,
participators in all the institutions, rights, P" • ill
and advantages of this country.--(Hear, hear.t;ue
Pitt said that the Irish people should Prost'g)
every solid benefit and every eminent ad toter,
that could result from so important a unien.;?eitibebv.
The Hon. Member for Dublin said, that Ha' 'bout tot
on that side of the House were always talkinga.oteso,
grievances of Ireland, and that even if the eoLieti
Church Establishment „were destroyed in °tit Ile Oa
there would-be still coniplaints of grievances. be
til
Hume) considered that the Irish people not 0 4110 Otto
right to complain, but that they ought to corallv of .0.
every grievance was redressed. The marri
people of Scotland had the Church of t f the'
The people of England had the Church Ch°„tcss
but the lri4l reople were obliged to support tt,rotesilt
of the minority. It was urged that the hot "'ea!
Church had been guarranteed by the noi°ll,4ittraate;pr.f
should a Church be supported, however ~ait sve!"44
which did not bring peace among mankind dwith t. i
possible that the Irish people mild be satisfied cb
Church as it stood. It was astonishing ";.;e0
Gentlemen opposite found the documents et jvjoe,
they quoted---they always seemed to set,' ll° of
meats read upon that side of t ;essioitr
butls3 4. he would ntoowthaqt uceontesus,from the 'clo of
the populatl6-,4g7;q0,
land was as follows:—Roman Catholics,
,bytertoo,
Protestant Episcopalians, 752,000 ; , Father" c4111.),041
642,000 ; Protestant Dissenters of ah ,1,101 es,
121,000. The Established Church in Ire.' byter'!
from the public money, 806,000 L ; the rYhruersohl
35,000!. ; whilst the Roman Catholic ewer
only 8,9281., the miserable grant to MO.° it wes :wer
was many years_ opposed.—(Hear, hear.) bed Tod-
this was a sorta question ; he (dr. Ilewets, ths es'
treated it Ile had been always of the wa-cthei
vocated those rights for Ireland to whielt,s when co.
titled, but had opposed the Whigs in 18' Let the #e for
brought forward measures of coercion. iegislll'd 011
vernment treat Ireland properly--let there rot! orf
her in the same manner and on the same P • T e
the
for Scotland, and there would be no agitatint were_tf,
was, the Tories who refused Ireland its ribs that
agitators, and the Premier, as the head out the and
was the prinie agitator—(A laugh)---hut /rebind, efer:
once more respected, do
„justice to for
_vte
the occupation of. Othello was gone ,:n be au
The first measure which he thought ough_t lof *
by the Government would be the withdrawsioess °f
40c11
Lieutenant from Ireland, and have the bu the Se bol
country transacted in the same manner
,730 be
affairs were, in. London. In 1823 and wud la
brought a motion to that effect before the f_-"" vote io
long discussion ensued and 115 Meer°orgsaverne,....
favour of the measure. Let not Ireland he._, the t-welf
the same way as Canada, but let her enJuLi hf"
constitution and right, and be able te,, ii6v;affetrrioit
of the same talent in the administration orb
sooner, ad-
England had. - For his part he would °two I'tbi°
to a Secretary of State in England than abosefroo
Lieutenant, for it was the nature of man;
stance
which he was delegated to exercise at a union bo
to s
the fountain head. Ireland had had at
„„e use
own boards of customs and other Ire": was tse ihe
wha. et 4
they were all swept away now, and marl 185 '
111.onese tottkr#ll._.
of a Lord-Lieutenant ? Be knew thai..b.) for, 6
peers would bitterly oppose this.7—<A.-lapille,
when Mr. O'Connell brought forward
of
of the Air«
Select Committee to inquire into rePetas met 1004
and its probable effects if carried, Ir.; an angiu-ros.
ee
eSxpprirnegssißveiceof(nothweLionlMtioonnteoaret)h:
rear 014.
taro the union, but at the same
.es been d fre
would ask had those grievances
„ode 1- ge
the grievances of Ireland. He
On the 2d of February a petition was Pry of eifilea,
meeting in Dublin, demanding an ecitta o/tolliee°,.erch
had bee CP
religious rights, but that petition , , the evert
he (Mr. Hume) had his will, he shoincL,lrad allow
property to the education of the people, his OW° sto*
tip Air.
man to pay his own clergyman as he in the ,
ton Ireland was garrisoned by tro_Ps_rto, I ataft
two
manner as Algeria was by the French
with
ulc
countries. What they should do cLesorrn
cumbents would be 'to put them upon WU
ilace the cra to
was sorry to see so great a similaritybet_w_eeni!e-setjl!,s4dia'
Fund during their byes, and ak one
to be aPPoee st
property in the-hands of Government.
bould
the education of thy people. This the elotie
once, The next step should be to rein. ,_ the ail'
‘.01,e
forces, send the navy into dock, and aPP?,,_euts
of a million and a half saved in these depalraimIre.,
diffusion of' education. hut would th,ed'orof
tha
the evil effects of a military neeut`t countr.Y
Everything which had been done o
in I 1
with ijiilloe'
present Government had been attendednter
_d the 0 the
(At this moment Sir Robert Peel e t.. be
and the Hon. Member for Montrose iecaul
rightlyushtliaot attributed b taerdonteot)thaendßishl rillosoen.rerii,patvis"bie,eatersho°.l;,..r
just came in, and who was respon
better things
sible lor 11, was
Qk
Aiiin kb& Berm& when be firat
(Hear.) He
(folirri.f
Hume)h e werehnadothroepsepdons_
atice,froo7