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it would be no small police force that would be necessary
to keep order in such a crowd. But that seas not all,
for they foun i that already preparations were making
for vast crowds coming up from the country. from
all the largo and small towns. It would re-
quire no I, se than an addition of 1,000 or 2,000 to the
present pike force of the metropolis to meet that con-
tingency. Supposing only 1,000 additional men were
brought into the force, that would be an expense of
50,0001. ; and if 2,000 it would be 100,0001. Had those
expenses been taken into account ? So far as the
crowds which were is London at the time of the corona-
tion, they were all disposed in various places, and
.how-
ever large, the matter was only the event of a single
morning ; but here was a case which would spread over
a series of some. months. Several fiae ranges of houses
of the neighbourhood were now to be sold in conse-
quence of this exhibition and its results, while many of
those who occup'ed others either wholly or in part
were giving notice of removal to soma other locality.
Was it ju4t, he would ask, that the inhabitants of this
neighbourhood, including as it did so extensive and re-
spec:l6le a district, should be subjected to this tannoy-
awe and inconvenience, not for a couple 0; d Lys, but for
many mos ths? From Al ty• to November that great, that
gigan'iu, that unbearable nuisance was to go on. The
ric x, question which arose, was as to the right to do
what was proposed. No doubt, strictly f.p ,alting, the
property of the parks Was vested in the Crowe, or rather
in the Commissioners of Woods and Forests for the
Crown. But he considered that since as arrange went
had been made on that subject, no Sovereign, or no
hoard, hail any right to assert an exclusive property in
them. Weea George 11. esked Sir R deert Walpole
what might be the a xpense of enclosing some of the
park that independent Minister hail replied that it
would not cost much—that it would only cost a crown;
and so the notion had not been attempted to be carried
out. It had been said, however, that the proposed
buildings were to he but temporary. But that was taking
away the rights of the public for a certain time. It
might be, indeed, that they intended only to erect a tem-
porary building; but it might afterwards be thought a
pretty structure to look at, and they might not wish to
pull it down. But, speaking on behalf of the public, he
would say—" To take my close from me for eighteen
months or two years, to build upon it; and to cut down
nine of my best trees—it is an injury to me to take them
from me." He was then talking of a right of usage of'
which the public could not be deprived. But there was
another question which they had to consider. He had
presented a petition that evening to their Lordships,
which stated that what was about to be done was illegal.
It might be said that that was only a petition. But he
would ask them whose name was at the head of it?
Why, that of no less a person than Mr. Justice Cress-
well. He had heard that that matter was likely to be
made the subject of an injunction in the Court of Chan-
cery, and that before many hours some steps would be
taken in it. It had been said that it would be illegal to
erect permanent buildings in Hyde•park, but that tem-
porary ones might be erected without an Act of Perlia-
meat. He confessed he did not understand how such
a conclusion as that could be arrived at. He spoke of
the proposed building as a nuisance. And the pulling of
it down, supposing that it was pulled down, would also
contribute to increase the nuisance and inconvenience to
such an extent as no one who had not been in the
vicinity of a great brick and mortar building in process
of removal could form any conception of. So far as the
subject of cartage was concerned that might be discussed
in the Committee for which he intended to move, if he
obtained it. He had then stated all that he thought it
was necessary for him to mention to their Lordships in
calling their attention to that subject. He was not un-
favourable to the proposed exhibition, he thought much
good might result from it. He agreed with the Commis-
sioners when they said it would be a pity to give it up
after having so far committed themselves. He should
be sorry that the exhibition should not go on, but if it
were to go on as proposed in Hyde-park, he would be
prepared to accept the alternative, however much he
might regret it, of not having it at all sooner thaa it
should take place there. He had then, in conclusion,
only to move that the petition which he had presented,
signed by Mr. Justice Cresswell and others, should be
referred to a Select Committee of their Lordship!.
Earl GRANVILLE said, although it was obvious
there were other Noble Lords present more competent
to reply to the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord
who had just addressed the House than he was, yet as
ho was connected both with the Government and the
Commissioners of tae Exhibition of 1851, he trusted he
would be permitted to make souse observations in reply
to the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord.—(Hear.)
And first, with respect to the part which the Govern-
ment had taken in reference to that exhibition. He could
only find three acts in which they had come forward.
That exhibition had been suggested four or five months
before the end of the last year by the Society of Arts;
and an application had ' been made to the Govern-
ment to assist it by engaging the confidence of
the people of this country, and giving such pledges
as they could rely on. The Government accordingly
had recommended the appointment of a Royal Commis •
sion, and had undertaken to pay the trifling expenses
attendant on the formation of such a Commission.
Tne members of that Commission had been selected from
among persons distinguised in art and science, and in
order that the project might be considered rational and
not political, from among men of ail parties. Wi,h tha'
view the Noble Lord the Prime Minister, the Noble Lord
opposite, the leader of the Opposition, the lamented Sir
Peel—to whose memory a tribute had just been paid
by their L :rdships—as well as other leading personages,
bad been appointed eo that Commission. And here be
might be permitted to say that he believed the last public
duty which the lute Sir It. Peel performed was to attend
a meeting el the Commission on Saturday last, only a
tew hours before the melancholy accident which led to
his death. He felt somewhat encouraged in the state-
ment.he was about to make, when be recollected he was
acting very much on the plan which' that la e lamented
Kr ntleman had laid down. He thought the Conynis-
sioners were not to be blamed, inasmuch as the objections
to Hyde-park ass set had all been recently started, and
as the 10th George IV., cap. 50, permitted the erection
of temporary buildings in that park. As t, cutting
down certain tie .s, more importance had been attached
to it, in his opinion, than it deserved.—(Hear.) The
plan hal been drawn up so as to avoid the necessity of
injuring a great number of trees. A difficulty had been
found with regard to a sultan clump of young trees and
one old one. On the matter being referred to his Noble
Friend at the head of the Woods and Forests, he posi-
tively refused to give up the old tree, but consented to
the removal of the clump of smaller ones.—(Hear.) He
should now allude to the charges against the Royal
Commissioners. Some Noble Lords objected from diffe-
rent motives to the exhibition itself. To such objections
it was not necessary for him to made any answer. The
Noble and Learned Lord opposite had to-night admitted
for the third time that he approved of the exhibition.—
(" Hear," from Lord Brougham.) But as the Noble
Lord had from the beginning refused to subscribe to-
wards the expense of carrying it out, he doubted whether
the Noble and Learned Lord had a locus stludi in the
matter of the building.—(Hear, hear.) Hyde-park had
been given out as the site of the exhibition so far back
as July list.—(hear, hear.) As soon as the sits was
fixed on it was announced through the newspapers to
the public, and through the Foreign•office to other
countries. A very ingenious gentleman, a member of
the local committee of Westminster, objected to Hyde-
park, and proposed the Regent's-park; but in April
last a requisition was signed by about 600 persons, for a
meeting at Chelsea on the subject, and among other
names was that of the Hon. W. Campbell, MP. That
meeting was called to promote the purpose of the ex-
hibition, and the requisitionists stated that they con-
sidered it would be of great advantage to the metropolis,
more especially to the west end of it.—(Hear.) Rather
more than two months ago the Noble and Learned Lord
hims Elf had on three occasions introduced the subject to
their Lordships, and though the debate was one which,
no doubt, wis extensively read, still no objection was
made. Indeed, ho was not aware that any one had sup-
ported the Noble and Learned Lord in his objection to
Hyde•park, either in that House or at any public meet-
ing. The Commissioners had no desire t ) oppose them-
selves to any reasonable feeling, and, anxious to ascer-
tain if they could get out of the difficulty, referred the
matter to the building committee. After much consi-
deration, they reported that the plans could not be
adapted to any other site with any possibility of the
building being completed within the specified time, and
that change of site would ba tantamount t ) an aban-
donment of the exhibition for another year.—(Hear.) If
anything was calcalated to produce further delay, it was
the reference of this question at this period to a Select
Committee of that House. The chief objection of the
Noble and Learned Lord rested on the inconvenience
which would be caused to the inhabitants in the neigh-
bourhood of Hyde-park; but the entire road was to be
kept open as usual, and the Commissioner of Woods and
FOrests had under his consideratdon a suggestion which,
if carried out, would lessen any inconvenience the inha-
bitants might be subjected to. With regard to the
traffic that would be caused
by the conveying of build-
ing materials, he believed it would not Neal three
weeks' traffic on any of the pads in the neighbourhood
of any of the principal railroad stations in London.
Some unnecessary alarm had been excited among the
inhabitants of Knightsbridge by the specifications which
hail been made on this point. The first paragraph of
the report wonld show that the building was to be of a
temporary character, and that the materials were to be
sold. The size of the building, and the dome in
parti-
cular, had excited alarm; but if he might b 3 allowed
to repeat a bad pun, he might say that the doom of that
dome had been pronouuced.—(Laughter.) For his own
part, as a Commissioner, he should object to the use of
brick and mortar in the structure. Something had been
said as to the immense concourse of people which would
be drawn together in Hyde-park, and as to the necessity
of a great increase of the police force. He did not think
that a less police force would be necessary if the exhibition
was to take place on some common out of town. But the
number of police that would be required had b-en ex-
aggerated. He believed, at the agricultural exhibition
that teak place annually, and at which many thousands
ae:e.nbled, 100 special constables and nine regular
policemen were all that were found necessary to
preserve order and peace. It was a refl .xiion upon
our artisans who were saving money to enable them to
come t ) the exhibition, to suppose that they were per-
sons likely to create disorder and tumult.—(Hear, hear.)
During Whit Monday last no fewer than 30,000 persons
had gone through the British Museum without ans -
thing occurring to require the interference of the
police.—(Hear, hear.) He believed it would be a great
disappointment to the working classes of this country
if the exhibition was postponed or abandoned. Having
sent to foreign countries inviting them to appoi▪
nt com-
missions to further the objects of the exhibition it would
be almost a national disgrace if eve
,were now to disap •
point them. Not wishing to interfere by unnecessary
delay in carrying out the exhibition, he,implored the
House not to refer the matter to a Select Commi▪
ttee.
After a few words from Lord BROUOHABI and Earl
Gaits on a point of order,

I Lied CAMPBELL said he rose to state why he sup-
ported the in n'iou, and why ho should vote for it if
pressed to a division. He should have been better pleesd
if the Noble nod Learned Lard had at once moved an
address to the Throne, praying that the site in Hyd
park might not receive the sanction of the Crown. But
the motion of the Noble teed Learned Lord was to refer
the petitions on the table to a Select Committee. He
did not blame either the Government or the Commis-
sioners. Ile blamed no one for what hid been hitherto
done, but he should blame them if—after the matter had
been so fully discussed, and the lamentable consequeeces
pointed out which must arise—they persisted in not
abandoning Hyde-park as a site for the proposed exhi-
bition. Such an exhibition, embracing, as it would,
specimens of the industry of all nations, was, he ad-
mi•te I, most laudeble, and weuld confer the highest
honour on the illustrious individual oho had prop ace I
it.—(Hear.) The Government had done nothing more
then their &sty in causing a Commission to be i eu.ld.
lie did not blame the Commissioners; but he though'.
they might have anticipated a lit•le soon-r the lament-
able consequences that wool I arise from c aryl ,g out the
p:an th.y ha I pro:posed. It wis evident feern tar •ir re•
port, that they were not taw me of the that
w ould f,itow it the site of the exhibition test, t r be in
llfol.•perk They del not appear to hay: conai&r,-0
the injury that would Le? done to the inha'ait iota of' the
neighbourhood by Ilytle-ea,k being chosen as tee sit of
rho exhibition, for they ststel it was limeys iiten:ied
a means of recreation and unj,yrueut for her :AJetty's
subjects. Dad they suppose that the bivouacs, nod the
monstrous machines moving to and feu with building
sn'it edit! w sold conduce to the recr•ation on 1
enjoy meat ef the people? The Noble Lord who
hail just sat down said that brick and mortar
would not probably be used; but could an immense
structure, such as that proposed, with a dome much
larger than St. Paul's, be erected in Hyde-park without
a great deal of traffic and annoyance to the neighbours?
Could such a structure be built without depriving the
public of enjoyment and recreation in Hyde-park for a
long period of time? He believed that the shortest
period for which the public would be so deprived of the
tree use of Hyde-park would be two years.—(Hear.)
Seven months were to be allowed for the removal of the
materials, and that would bring the time down to June,
1852, before the ground was completely cleared. Ac•
cording to the specifications the structure was to be of a
kind solid as the walls of Nineveh, and were they to be-
lieve that in seven months it would be wholly removed?
Ile could not help thinking that it would have been far
better to have selected a site where the structure might
have remained and been useful for other purposes.—
(Hear, hear.) In fact the whole neighbourhood would
be sufferers by Hyde-park being fixed upon. He had
received a letter from a gentleman residing in Chesham-
place, a near neighbour of the Prime Minister, in which
he stated that he had occupied his present house
for twelve year!, and that he had been chiefly induced
to do so by Its proximity to Hyde-park. He stated
that if the proposed structure was erected it would be
impossible for his wife and children to frequent the park.
His (Lord Campbell's) belief was that it would be impos-
sible for females or children to frequent Hyde park or
Kensington-gardens for at least two years. He would
not give any opinion as to the legality of the proceed-
ings which had been adopted, because be might be
called on in his judicial capacity to pronounce respecting
them. He would, however, suggest to the Commissioners
to consult once more the law officers of the Crown be-
fore they proceeded further. By the 10th George IV.,
c. 50, a. 23, the Commissioners of Woods and Forests
were prohibited from granting any lease of any portion
of Hyde-park, either at a peppercoru rent or otherwise.
The object of the prohibition was, that the public might
not be deprived of the benefit of air, recreation, and
exercise. The proposed exhibition would more effectu-
ally debar the public their enjoyments than any lease
which might have been granted of the park for
grazing purposes. He regarded the present scheme
as in direct violation of the provisions of the Act.
It was not far him to anticipate the effect of the in-
junction which was to be applied for. But even if there
were no objection in point of law, there were other
reasons why Hyde-lark should net be chosen for the
exhibition. With regard to Regent's-park, a covenant
prevented the erection of buildings, but had not the pre-
scriptive right of the public to the enjoyment of Hyde-
park a force equal to any covenant?—(Hear, hear.) A
few years ago it was proposed to erect a church in
Hyde-pal k, but the feeling was so strong against it that
the design was abandoned. Ile believed that a better
site might without difficulty have been found. He should
be sorry if the exhibition was abandoned, but it was bet-
ter that expectations should be disappointed, than that
the rights of individuals should suffer or the public be
deprived of what they had a right to enjoy. He did
not think they should lower themselves in the opinion of
foreign nations if, finding the scheme had been somewhat
inconsiderately brought forward, they did not persevere
with it when they found public opinion against it, as
depriving them of rights which they had long enjoyed.
After a few words from Lord BROUGU ANI, who
said he would not press his motion to a division,
Lord REDESDALE expressed his regret !hat the site
should have been chosen in Hyde-park.
After a few remarks from the Earl of Lonsdale, Earl
Fitz William, and Lord Brougham,
The Earl of ELLENBOHOUGH said, although he
did not concur in the selection of the site, he believed
it would be convenient in two respect; it was flanked
by the bane Is on one side, and the river on the other.
The vicinity of the barracks would be useful in the case
of a riot, and the river in the event of a fire.
The motion w is then withdrawn.
ME TROPOLITAN INTERMEN TS BILL.
Lord BIIOUGHANI presented a petition from Wool-
wich against the Metropolitan Interments Bill, and a
similar petition from ceresin undertakers, praying to be
heard m:ainst the Bill.
The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from
the Metropolitan Sanitary Assectation In favour of the

The Earl of CARLISLE then moved that the Bill be
committed.
Lld BROUGHAM moved al an amendment that
the Bill be referred to a Select Committee, and that the
petition which had been presented be referred to the
Committee.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII supported the
amendment, thinking the Bill could be more conveni-
ently considered up stairs, inasmuch as it touched
matters deeply affecting the feelings of individuals.
Considering the late period of the session, however, he
should strongly object t) the hearing of any evidence on
the subject.
Lord REDESDALE and the Bishop of LONDON thought
a S dent Committee preferable, provided it did not delay
the passing of the measure.
Lord BROUGHAM disclaimed any such intention,
and

The Earl of CARLISLE then assented to the amend-
ment, and the Bill was referred to a Select Committee
accordingly.
BENEFICES IN PLURALITY BILL.
Lord LY FTLETON moved the second reading of this
Bill, the object of which is to make benefices in plurality
more contiguous. He was of opinion that they should
touch each other at some point, and that the churches
should not be more than two miles apart. There was a
proviso in the Bill relative to benefices not exceeding
1001. in value. Now he proposed that in the cave of a
living under 1001. being contiguous to another, however
large, they might go together.
The Bishop of LONDON acquiesced in the general
principle of the Bill, but considered certain amendments
necessary.
The Bishop of SALISBURY expressed his concur-
rence in the measure, which bad been introduced into
the House of Commons by a private Member, without.
any communication with the members of the ecclesiastical
body, or any concert with the Government. He should like
to see the holding of pluralities limited to the greatest pos-
sible extent consistent with the proper performance of
the clerical functions. The existing law was no doubt
capable of some limitation, for, nevertheless, he could
not say that it had been inoperative.—(Bear.) He held
in his hand a return showing the manner in which bene-
fices in plurality had been restricted since the passing of
the Ist Victoria, in 1838. At that time the number of
non-resident incumbents was 4,307, of whom 1,184, who
were not actually resident in the benefices, were never-
theless performing the duties of their own cures. At
the close of 1848 the number of non-resident incumbents
had been reduced from 4,307 to 3,094, showing a dimi-
nution of upwards of 1,200. In 1858 there were only
5,859 resident incumbents, but in 1848 the number
had advanced to 7.779, showing an increase of nearly
2,000. In 1838 the whole number of incumbents doing
their own duty was 7,043, whilst in 1848 the num-
ber was 8,898, being an increase of nearly 1,900.
In 1838 the residents houses amounted to 7,364,
but in 1848 the number was 7,917, showing nearly
600 additional houses. In 1838 the curates of non-resi-
dent incumbents amounted to 3,078, but in 1848 the
number was only 1,908 under any circumstances; whilst
the curates of resident incumbents hal increased from
1,725 in 1836 to 2,998 in 1848, being an increase of more
than 1,200. He considered this a satisfactory proof that
the existing lay was gradually coming into effectual
operation.—(Hear.)
After a few words from Earl POWIS,
The Biil was read a second time.
The Earl of CHICHESTER moved the second read-
ing of the Larceny Summery Jurisdiction Bill. The Bill
was to provide a check on juvenile delinquency, and at
the same time to afford expeditious and economical pun-
nishment to juvenile offenders.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Thursday next.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE.

CAMBRIDG n, JULY 4 —At a Congreza•it_nn holden this
day tit. folio wing degrees were conferred:—

HosortAay, Julisn Henry Charles
Face, Trinity College (fourth son of the Earl of West-
moreland).
M.A —C. P. Mil. s, Calm College; J. P. Dykes, T. H.
Lister, and W. M. Wray, Ca,harine Hall; W. P. Snell,
Downing College.
Mr. Shilleto, of Trinity College, was appointed De-
p❑ty Proctor, in tha absence of the Sensor Proctor,
Mr. Middleton; and Mr. Hedley, of Trinity College,
Deputy Proctor, in the absence of the Junior Proctor,
Mr. Marsh.

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