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Lord (Lord John Russell) whether in filling up that
vacancy the Government would render the office subject
to any decision of the Committee on Salaries as regarded
the salary, and whether any stipulation would be made
' as to the separation of the judicial and political tune-
Lions of the Lord Chancellor.
Mr. BOUVERIE said before the question was an-
swered he had to state that being the Chairman of the
Committee on Fees he was instructed to ask the Noble
Lord whether, in the event of a vacancy in the Great
Seal it wuuld bo a distinct understanding with regard to
the officers whose appointments were in the hands of the
Great Seal, that those appointments would be made on
the express condition that the tenure and existence of
those offices should be subject to the review and exami-
nation of Parliament ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said be had to state with
very great regret that the Lord Chancellor bad
found the state of his health to be such as to
render him unable to continue the performance
of those duties which he had discharged with so much
advantage to the couutry.—(Hear, hear.) He (Lord
John Russell) had to state, therefore, that so soon as the
Lord Chancellor shall have given judgment in the vari-
ous causes which he had heard he would feel himself
compelled to resign the Great Seal. In filling up that
office he (Lord J. Russell) considered that any person
taking the Great Seal would take it subject to any
regulation made by Parliament upon the report
et the Committee of which the Hon. Gentleman was
chairman. He would state, in answer to the question of
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bouverie), the Chairman of
the Committee oa Fees, that with respect to uny officers
appointed by the Lord Chancellor, in the event of the
Lord Chancellor resigning, that such appointments would
be subject to the examination of Parliament. With
respect to the question of the separation of the judicial and
the political fuuetions of the Lerd Chancellor, that was a
subject which had engaged the attention of her Majes-
ty's Government, and it was one of great difficulty. Ho
(Lord John Russell) had no doubt that the object was
very desirable, and he trusted the Government would be
able to propose a measure to Parliament on this subject
which would be satisfactory to the House; but, consider-
ing the nature of the office of Lord Chancellor how
much it was identified with the political history
and with the political administration of this country, he
should ho very loth to introduce any measure ou the
subject without the fullest and most serious consideration
of that House.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME asked the Noble Lord if the refiring pen-
sion of 5,0001. a year incident to the office of Lord Cnan-
celler would be continued?
Lord .30IIN RUSSELL replied that the person ae-
cepting the Great Seal would take it subject to
the decision of Parliament as to the amount cf
pension. Without stating that the pension would eon-
enue at 5,000 L, its present amount, he (Lord John Rus-
bell) must say he :should feel it his duty to resist any
reduction of that pension to such an !anoint, as that the
highest talent could not be secured by Parliament to
fill the office of Lord Chancellor.
LANDLORD AND TENANT BILL.
Mr. BRIGHT wished to know when the second read-
ing of the Landlerd and Tenant (Ireland) Bill would
come on.

Lord J. RUSSELL replied that the Bill wag still un-
der th© consideration cf the Government, but he believed
the sernnd reading svoul.! be taken in the course of the
preleht session, though he was not sanguine as to its
paTting through Committee before the termination of the
sestina.

LIEUTENANT-GOVEII.NOR OF L&BILA.N.
Mr. C. LUSHING TON wi,:bed to know, whether the
Lieutenant-Governor of Lahunn, Sir William Napier,
ho ~lcoinistererl the all/(irs of the colony, had been
siis,pcnl;,(l, cad whether the duties ( f his office hod fallen
e. d:aughrsznan and a surveyor.
Mr. HA WES said it was quite true that the Deutenant-
Governor hal been suspended from his office. The
whole circumstances of the ease were undo r the coo-
sideration of the Government; and be thought it
would be the heiglit cf injuqice, eitbe: expressly
or impliedly, to give any opinion on tne sub-
ject until the investigation of the Government
was closed. It wa.i not true that the administration of
justice in that island had been suspended in consequence
of Sir William Napier having been removed froba his
office.

Mr. LUSHINGTON observed that he should repeat
the question at the expiration of a moderstl time.
SECEMITY FOIL ADVANCES (IRELAND) BILL.
Iu leply to Mr. /41()NSELL
Lr,rd J. RUSSELL said he would proceed ttis
Bill lid early ta pc -ibie.

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING,

MAY 29, 1850.

wards repaid by the colonies. By the middle of 1849, a
further sum of 100,0001. ha I been expended; and
there had since been expended a similar sum of
100,000/. ; the whole of which money had been
repaid, or would be, repaid by the colonies.
The Coinmissioners bat also expended for New South
Wales a sum of 43,7001., which had been received from
various private contributions. He wished to discuss
that question with perfect candour, and he certainly
.thought that it was not one in which Hon. Members on-
one side of the House could have an interest distinct
from Hon. Members on the other side. His simple
object was to guard against the assumption that the Go-
vernment could do much more in the matter than they
were at present doing. He had always thought that it
the Government had taken the entire system Df emigra-
tion under their immediate management they would
have diminished, instead of having increirw!, the num-
ber of ens'grants. He found that emigration had already
taken place from this country to an enormous extent.
During the ton years preceding 1847 there had emi-
gratsd from these islands to the United States and
to the British possessions in North America not
less than 700,000 persona ; and during the
three years ending in 1849 Oere ha 1 ens-
grated to the same countries not less than
750,000; making altogether iu the thirteen years an emi-
gratinn of nearly 1,500,000 persons to North America
'slot e. A large stream of emigition had at the same
time been going on to our Australian colonies, although
the expense of the passage had of course rendered the
number of emigrants much smaller to those colonies
thae to Canada or to the United States. The whole
population of Australia and New Zealand might be taken
at 330,000 persons, and he found that there had emi-
grated to those colonies, since the Ist of January, 1848,
not less than 56,000 persons, or very nearly 16 per cent.
of the entire population. There was one subject which
had been frequently mentioned in that House, and on
which he had some kxptanvions to offer. It seemed to
be the opinion of some Hon. Gentlemen that Ireland had
net had her fair share in the transmission of emigrants to
the Australian colonies. Ile believed, however, he could
show that Ireland had not been treated with any peculiar
unfairness in that matter. He found that the popula-
tion of the three kingdoms taken centesimally
was as follows :—Eogland had a little more than 59,
Scotland a little more than 9, and Ireland had 30. Now
the actual number of emigrants sent from the three king-
doms had been as follows:—From England 25,332, from
Scotland 4,343, and from Ireland 12,486. The result of
that statement w .s that the number of emigrants from
Ireland had only been 400 less than it should have been
If the proprtions between her emigrants and her popu-
lation, as compared with the rest of the United King.
dom, had been strietly observed... In conclusion he had
to state that her Majesty's Ministers were as anxious as
the lion. Member for East Sornersetshire himself to
promote, as far as they shouli find practicable, the ob.
Oct tvLiett the Hon. Member had in view; but as he be-
lieved that the aloption of the motion of the Hon. Gen-
tleman would.give rise to exaggerated expectations he
should urge him not to press taut motion. If the Hon.
Gentleman should not accede to that suggestion he should
relw tantly feel it hie duty to move " the previous quer,-
ion" by way of amendment. But he hoped the lion.
Gentleman would not render it necessary for hiui to
pursue Oat caws!.
The amendment was then put and negatived; a•:(1 the
previous.questionitaving been sleeved by Mr. liAWES,

belonged when he found it. It was certainly not an
honest transaction on his part, as he could have in-
formed some of the workmen of his finding, when it
would have been instantly restored to the owner. But
such did not make it a felony,'and it would Le for
th,. jury to decide. _ _

The jury consulted for a few minutes, when they
returned a verdict of Acquittal.

Mr. MONSELL said—it would ba much better if the
Irish emigrants were to start front their own ports, in-
stead of first coming to Plymouth. He wished the Hon.
Member for East Somersetshire had lett out the word
4eveatia. W►►y should all the emigrants be sent to
that colony? Seeing the disaster which must bo anti-
eipved on recount of the shortness of the cotton crop,
ha wondered the policy of encouraging emigration to
the o`►looy of Port Neel, where cotton grew so well, had
riot struck Hon. Members more fo:cibly. His principal
object in rising, however, was to draw the attention of
the House to the absolute necessity of promoting, by
every possible means, the emigration of females from
the Irish workhouses. The House would hardly telieve
the real state of the cake. In the workhouse of the
Cork Uoioa there were at the present moment 563
males and 954 females between the ages of 15 and 40,
who had been there for more than a year, and everyone
who knew anything about Ireland was well aware that
when they had remained in the workhorse more than a
year the probability was that they would spend the
rest of their lives there. In Thurlee workhouse there
were 247 males aad 618 females, between 15 and 40,
who had been there for more than a year; in Kanturk
workhouse 362 males and 829 females, and in Galway
workhouse 530 males and 740 females. Taking the whole
of Ireland there wore 10,118 males and 18,429 females
who had been more than a year in the various work-
housas.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
LAMB E TH.
EXTENSIVE AND INGENIOUS ROBBERY OF THE
SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY.—Last even-
ing, as Mr. Elliot, the sitting magistrate, was about
to leave the bench, Mr. William Edward Eicke, a
young man of gentlemanly appearance, was brought
up in custody of Mr. Field, the inspector of the de-
tective force, and Bent, an active officer, and placed
at the felons' bar on a charge of stealing a debenture
bond, of the value of 2,0001., from the treasurer's
effice, at the terminus of the London and South-
Western rt ,ilway, the property of the company.
Mr. L. C ennbie, from the office of Messrs.
Bircham and Dalrymple, solicitors to the company,
with Mr. Alfred Morgan, the company's treasurer,
attended far the prosecution ; and Mr. Games ap-
peared on behalf of the prisoner.
From the opening of Mr. Crumble, it appeared thet
an error or deficiency of 2,0001. having been dis-
covered in the booke of the company, an investigation
of the accounts was instituted, which resulted in the
discovery that the prisoner, who was a clerk in the
office of Mr: Morgan, the treasurer, had, on the 25th
January, 1849, issued a debenture bond for the
amount of the deficiency, and the instru-
ment having got into different hands, the
company were paying the interest on it as
though the money had been advanced to them in the
ordinary way. Upon this discovery having been made,
Mr. Field, of the detective force, and Bent, an intel-
ligent officer employed by the company, were en-
geged to apprehend the prisoner, and they, after much
trouble and a great deal of maneeuvring, succeeded
in taking him into custody at a chemical manufactory
which he had established at Battersea-fields, and to
conduct which, it appeared, he had given up his situa-
tion under the rail way company.
Mr. Alfred Morgan was then called into the wit-
ness-box, and having been sworn, said—l am trea-
surer to the London and South-Western Railway
Company. The prisoner was in the service of that
company. He had charge of the debentures granted
by the company, for the purpose of being registered,
and it was also his duty to take a receipt for each de-
benture-bond that passed through his hands. The de-
benture- bonds were never finally sealed, until they
were actually wanted, and they were then given to the
prisoner, whose duty it was to register them and re-
ceive a receipt for them from the parties receiving
them. I remember an application having been made
to the company for debentures to the amount of
4,0001. by Mr. Dickinson, of May-fair, in January,
1849. The application was for one debenture of 2,0001.
and two of 1,0001. each. There was no other appli-
cation fJr debentures by Mr. Dickinson during that
month. In the book kept by the prisoner there was
an entry of a debenture• for 2,0001. transferred from
Mn Dickinson to another person under the date of
the 11th March, 1849. The debenture is described
in that entry as No. 3(37, dated 25th of January,
1849. Tee number of the debenture for 2,0001.
granted Mr. Dickinson, is No. 366, and is dated 25th
of January, 1849. There is no entry of cash having
been paid for the debenture for 2,0001., No. 367,. and
Mr. Dickinson, it has been proved, has only paid for
one debenture of 2,0001, No. 266, and two others of
1,0001. each. The
,book in which the cash entries for
the debenture bonds should have been "made is pro-
duced, and no entry can be found of any cash having
been paid in reference to the 'debenture for 2,0001.
No. 367. I find that an entry of two sums for
2,0001. each, and two for 1,0001., had been made, but
in one of the former there was an erasure. In the
debenture ledger there appear entries of two deben-
tures for 2,000/, and two for 1,0001. each, by which
Mr. Dickinson is made to appear to have ordered de•
bentures for 6,0001. from the company, instead of
4,0001., while in the cash receipt book only 4,000/.
appears as received. The debenture No. 367, ap-
peared to. have been transferred to three different
parties, and was at present in the possession of Mr.
Wilkinson, of Clapham. All the entries of the
tran'fers, except the last, were in the handwriting of
the prisoner. From all the circumstances, I believe
the debenture for 2,0001, No. 367, has been stolen
from the office of the company; and that the
money had not been advanced for it, nor had there
been any authority given_ for taking it away.
The grounds for• charging the prisoner with the
offence of stealing the debenture is, that at all
events there is a fraud shown by the entries to have
been committed by him in keeping the accounts,
and entering the money as having been paid when. it
was not.

An Hon. MEMBER hero moved that the House be
counted, and there being only 35 Members present, the
House adjourned st ten minutes past Eight o'el,,ck till
Thursday.