The Sun.
London, England, 1850-06-18 00:00:00

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DISRAELI thought the ohservation aaplied by
'a Right Hon. Gentleman to his predecessor in the
dn
silbrata might with Neel justice e retorted upon him-
Pil. Whet v-as the line of argument pursued by the
Hon. Gentleman? First of al! he proposed to
prove that the Castle of Dublin hal undergone a great
Pelution, and that it was no longer the [eat of au-
thority and omnipotent influence, and that all those
corrupt means of which they had heard so much had
ePaed, because it had become pure, and that was the
7!sen why he called upon them to abolish the office of
L'urd-Lientenant.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentle-
man paintei the country as in a state which required
4 administration of no ordinary character, and then
proposed to destroy the local Government, which he
'bitted had become a pure administration.—(Hear,
lieart) He felt tae difficulty of the question before the
tk° se. In the only division which had taken place on
;"e subject he had recorded his vote with the Go-
-I:n3r-tient, thinking it but an act of Parliamentary cour-
,,sY to permit a Minister to intro fuce a measure of this
nature; but opal that occasion he had ventured to ex-
pressthe objections which presented themselves to his
41 lrld• Since then he had had au opportunity of perusing the
411, and had an opportunity of listening to the speeches
10.110 n. Members on both sides, and had heard nothing
days
could snake the general impression which some
ago he had ventured to express. He had, more-
-0t", reason to feel confidence in thatopinion, from the
to
ascieuiness that throughout this discussion no strong
Party feeling had interposed.—(Hear, hear.) He had a
strong; impression that the measure brought under their
:lisideratiou was an unwise measure, awl one which
oUld not work; aud, before long, the country, and that
h°llie would recogeise the consequence of such qualities.
""t a Wished, with :fie permi.sion of the House, to state his
,lasons for arriving at this conclusion. What was the
o_lleiple of the Bill? The Right Hon. the Secretary of
~`ate had endeavoured to impress on the House that the
or"aeiple on which they had to decide was, the abolition
4, maintenance of the Lord-Lieutenancy in Ireland.
"ere he entirely differed from him. The principle
Of the Bill was expressed in its title. The object
tithe Bill was to provide fur the abolition of the office
&."'tord-Lieutenant, and the appointment of a fourth
'eretary of State was as much a principle of the Bill as
the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy. He made this
„ 'u3ervation in passing, because it bad been referred to as
4'
kere question of detail fur the consideration of the
Committee. But he would argue the case for a moment
tiPoa the ground chosen, though unfairly, by the Secre-
itY S tae. Te ojct o the 81, the, wa to
lelish of
ant office h
whicbhe had existedil for centurnies,s and
w
l'ich even in its present f etre, modified by modern ex-
. fl'irielace and adapted to modern practice, had flourished
o
itnearly fifty years. But if they were going to abolish
ll
an office, what were they going to substitute?—
Uleat) Some might prove that it had been made the
means of corruption; others, that it was totally inade-
-994t0 to the difficulties with which it had to cope, but
man wee justified in voting for its abolition unless
t,'-i7lla prepared to find a substitute.—(Hear.) Nothing
ild authorise a rash and precipitate vote, the effect of
hbah would be to destroy an ancient form of adminis
ktition unless a substitute were provided. This was
b
the first time that a new S,cretary of State had
t,°,11 proposed for institution by a Ministry, and assented
1,0°.Y the House. A third Secretary of State was pro.!ed as Minister of England for tee administration of
E„' colonies in 1768, he believed. The plantations of
;gland were so prosperous, and her colonial interests
etre developing themselves in so striking and satisfac-
'fat ).
a manner, that a third Secretary of State was ah..
),latelylearn
required. What was the consequence? Ten
afterwards they lost their colonies.—(clear, hear.)
eThe new Secretary in 1768 was established particularly
ased the fortunes of our American plantations, and
lr, Years afterwards the plantations of America no
yier belonged to his Majesty.—(Hear, hear.) There-
loet so far as precedent was concerned, the proposition
eetablish a third
some suspicion on the establishment of a
ytirth. Remember what were the words of Mr. Pitt when
Oder
the union. He said his object was to place
4 er one public will the direction of the whole force
Ocao empire. Was the proposition to establish a fourth
th Nary calculated to realise the plan of Mr. Pitt. On
contrary, it would call into being a gre It ministe-
ml officer, second to none but the first minister, who,
dadof his position, would think himself entitled to
d upon the rights of his office, and insist on his own
itelto• Possibly the policy he would recommend might
Wise, but still it would be his policy, and not that of
th
Cabinet,—(Hear, hear.) The Government had been
(inland
whether the fourth Secretary was to be resident in
or not? No one had answered that question.—
1t1,4r, hear.) If he was to be resident he was a go-
anclr.—(llear, hear.) All the consequences of the
bath
system which they pronounced injurious, but
Itillch he was not prepared to admit, must again occur.
N.° Were not resident they must depend upon the sub-
loates of the Government.—(Hear, hear.) Nor could
111 toe that under any circumstances they could free
k:toselves from local influence and local manage-
-111;11t, The only difference between the present and
ancient system was, that under the latter they would
0 the local management of en individual of exalted
al:1 ,t_ton and high character, while under the former they
t have the local management of obscure and possibly
itiriguing persons.—(Hear, hear,) But it was said that
itihs an anomalous office. It was possible; but were
tt:toalies so rare in our ancient Constitution that the
tt)Ytht4"nt one was discovered it must be destroyed? Did
t
mg in this country exist by force of pure reason,
thie,re not even anomalies sometimes sources of strength
Iltit'reQ, no wise statesman would idly destroy ?—(Hear,
(4 .) The office of lord mayor was an anomaly.—
! hear.) If you were to describe to a foreigner
Ira't in a metropolis with 2,000,000 of inhabitants, he
Ir7o the chief magistrate of probably not more than
00 inhabitants, what would be his astonishment?
was the contrast between his real position and
general reputation. And yet he was treated with
fijderemonial almost roya', and held an office which
contributed to the liberty of the country and the
kit,illtenenee of its high spirit.—(Hear, hear.) In the
iN°r37 of England he was a very considerable personage,
tbi °lit) to whom the people of England were consider-
'lli! indebted. The Right Baronet the Member for
ik'werth, like the other distinguished orator, on whose
tc,ilch he had made a slight comment, appeared to him
@%tikve delivered a most unswerable speech against the
tOre of the Governmene—(Hear, hear.) The Right
kt,ll' Gentleman closed his aldress by stating that,
)e:rtheless, he should support the measure of the Go-
tk-12aent as an experiment. Ho had no great taste for
thrti timental legislation.—(Cheers.) He had seen many
tamga introduced as experiments which had not sue-
tived• Nut to touch upon things that might create ill-
tktri`t he might instance the income-tax as an experi-
tkiiit that had not succeeded, but which could not be
(itj got rid of.—(Hear, hear.) While the Right Hon.
ittitteenan consented to the abrogation of the office, he
\ll:hat he would only consent to it upon certain terms
naely, that the citizens of Dublin should have an
t:t.able and liberal consideration. Before the House
to a vote on the measure, he thought they ought to
:I,l4Benee explanation on that point.—(Hear, hear.)
‘k;Lible and liberal compensation comprehended
01(7,7E4 deal, and he thought the citizens of Dublin
'l4,"'cl press for some definition. He knew an unhappy
With which ho was connected who had been pro-
-44,14 correcnr,atier, eqwitable compensation, by the
feesL+-ne—p, nremizio never forgetters lay them, sad
licrf,rni,d by hind.--(Load cheers.) If the Hon.
Daldin had no better ailenrance cf compen-
t:lo he would advise him to hint no means of 0p-
%."4 it, and hope for nothing hereafter. He (Mr.
!ial.Nl,eli) had been puzzling his brains to know what tax
tit), Ode Lord meant to impose, and had pictured to
fter"'lf the Nob'e Lord proposing a loan to be turned
lit° werda into a gift.—(Hear). A hint had been
tittiltn out to transfer the administration of criminal
the e° to the Lord Chancellor. He did not think that
illlgerogative of mercy was one that lawyers should be
ItiktZ Upon to exercise. Ile for one deprecated such a
,`4s ae• He disclaimed anything like party feeling on
Nvl'esent occasion, but he contended that the case
by the Government for the abolition of the Lord-
Wtianey was a weak one—that the measure was in
:teiiittowise and unstatesmanlike, and unnecessarily of-
%'o to the people of Ireland, and he should therefore
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R. INGLIS said the brilliant eloquence of the
L4111:,11, on• Gentleman could not induce him to overlook
..ob,c.rvati., and which were cheered loudly
Ministerial side of the House. The Right Hon.
% i-P
lan evidently designed and hinted at the restore-
h„' ha might so call it, of the Church of Rome in the
?tt, 4413 of Ireland.—(ldenr.) To that, or to any mea-
oe to it, he should be at all times prepared to
k,c)l:t Pure and determined opposition.—(Loud cheers.)
'INt bid not understand how it was that neither of the
Patties who had during the last ten years held
t'tdela that country had proposed a measure similar
ihlt th Present. It was evident that both were agreed
time for such a change was not come, and as no
kation had been given up to a very recent period of
Nkt-Itch intention, he must infer that the circumstances
t„tt Thed induced this change in the government
akleteland had occurred but very recently. It
red act be pretended that any Lord-Lieutenant
.I,ll,„ll'elected the duties of his high Koffice, and
ktc,,Pnwer was to be transferred to a Secretary of
lited`"eY gained nothing. If that secretary resided in
tl if el he would be a worse.kind of Lord• Lieutenant,
he resided in England, he could not discharge its
lit4,ll'ith anything like the same efficiency. For these
Op he should vote against the Bill.
REYNOLDS would commence by thanking the II
1 the -.013. Gentleman, in his own name and the name
I.;4ep, eltizens of Dublin, for the intimation he had given
llghtit,tl),l. Some measure of compensation.—(A laugh.)
kh"t ttr;ed, however, that compensation would be nothing
pt'tti sound.—(Hear, hear.) He had been as-
-,r3ttl b3' the Noble L,_,rd (Lord J. Russell) that the
ht the -Dublin would lose nothing by the abolition,
1,4 ay; would have occasional visits from the Queen;
Nt en no asked if a clause to that effect would be in-
illtitam.4 into the Bill, lie received a nod, which plainly
thtlie '(.l that it would not be done. He heard nothing
lit'iceliwaY of argument in favour of the measure but
traits %teuction of the tubular bridge across the Menai
---(a• laugh.) He did not think the Government
kti;te :11‘p with regard to this measure, and that they
meditating a speedy and honourable retreat,
th '1.14-1, as their ft iend, strongly counsel them to
it ;tom.
.e Isere as .•pet dily as pos.sifele. He did not
fkr y -Asible that the Secretary of State, who was al-
of ttrwheltned with business, could conduct the af-
qtlad, i r''lend. Because Ireland had been badly go-
y4te fa'", cY must abolish the Lord-Lieutenancy. But
k 14 was it if she was badly governed? He
e tot o
180, wade, pen up old sores, or refer to the misgovern-
-Itleh), took place in the reign of Cromwell—(A
Pee,:,r)f. Remy the Eighth, orany other of the able
dress {.,"111 monarchs of that country. They ere to
Iv.koes -turth Secretary of State—an Englishman, of
because he resided in Downing-street and
*414 ina_g,, f the affirs of Ireland, was better able
Mi 4 ~`"cal than a
it nobleman resident on the
vicutatthiesting with the leading civil and mili-