The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-05 00:00:00

Sibthorp.) But his Hon. Friend had not put
question before the House in a lair shape. The questios
Was, wit- the= Hyde-patk was the b= st place fur the 6;
hibitioi.?— (Hear, hear.) If any doubt existed on 1138
paint, he a:tributed it to the conduct of the Commissiorli
It was all very well t) read a long list of names, se
say ;hey were all practical men, but the Commissiee,
in their report published only the other day, in 68
first instance only took into consideration three sites'
the north-eastern portion of Hyde-park, the Regents
park, and the present site; Battersea-fields and
ton were never thought of.—(Hear, hear.) He 0191/;
tamed the best situation to be the Regent's park. WP ti
was the objection t) that site? Certain covenants, whic,
precluded the erec;ion of any buildings there. He e
lieved it Le no such thing. He hed made inq'tirll
arid he believed the question was settled in the cases ,c)
the Zeoltical Gardens mud the Butanieal Gardens, Ln
which it was bound that temporary buildings could ej
erected. lie fully believed that a better si'e could Dot
selectedbe than the Regent's-park, taking into cee° j.
iteration the proximity of the canal and the London 0°
North-Western R-diway. He could not but itneti,,°:
that the argureeate used by the Hon. Baronet t"
mb r for ;NI ary:elmne, as to the distaste r f the 04'
nitams, would have but little weight with the Hoes::
which was disposed to pay so li.tle attention to the ur,
j- ctions urged on the [art of Belgravia. The 111
Member tor Whitby said the locality of Battersea
neither salubrioue nor eligible for building. Wh'a
then, was the meaning of the report in 1846 tiP,
which the Governmeet were empowered t•)puichl
land there tor the purpose of firming a lark, in wilt'';
was =owed that the site was not oily silubrieue
most eligible for building, ?—(Hear, hear.) fie h
inede inquiries of the surveyor-general, M. Adam'cl,a;
who had informed him that the foundations there ivel,
most excellent, being on a gravel soil. But he had 11A
perticuh-r fancy tor Bettersea, but he preferr'a
the Regent's-park. The Right Hon. Gentleman hi,
spoken of the boon offered to the inhabitants of the chl;
tract by the opening of Prince's Gate; but he might 51°,
have told the House that they had to pay 4,000/. for 001
boim, and were obliged to subscribe a certain sue3.o
money to maintain a gatekeeper there. On the feli,
that no building would be erected there very large 51);1
culations had been entered into to the amollgt
150,0001, and what would be the consequence to these
parties? It was said that the building was not to be per
manent, but who would take any of these houses for Pi
next two years? He understood that a Learned Judge eo
high reputation had pronounced a very decided opini°
on the subject. _ _ _

Dir. HUME—He has bought a house there.
Mr. OSBORNE—The Hon. Member said be Odic
bought a house there, but he should be sorry to thillh
that the judges cf the land were to be influenced by slier
considerations. That Learned Judge, he believed,
garded the proceeding as totally illegal, and as rtti!l)
ing au Act of Parliament to legalise it.—(Hear, heTio
If it should be the pleasure of the House to put
building into Hyde-park, he advised his Hon. Friend i"
Member for Marylebune not to go to a division.
Mr. GLADSTONE would deeply regret if the 17,,
pression should get abroad that the Commission were 0;ot
posed to adopt a sic yob sic jobs() tune. Speaking e 0
himself individually, and he believed he might saY
behalf of his fellow-Commissioners, be was ready 13,1
equivocally to admit that that House was the naterj
and constitutional guardian, not only of the rights f2POI
liberties, but also of the enjoyments of the people.
,Yty
this was a matter in which the House could not legs 1
interfere, for if they listened to the recommendalto
which had been given them they must be preparerhe
take the responsibility of destroying the scheme. 'go
Hon. Gentleman had said that the Commissionershaatlcl
lected their duty. He respectfully begged to demur le
dispute that assertion. He said the Commissioners °Pei,'
referred to thrce sites. Wby ? Because it was arse et
by the Commissioners as entirely beyond dispute test
this exhibition, in accordance with the anneunc,o3e,
0
made, was to be held in London, and not six miles t.
The distance might probably nut ba of so much in3l3°.ro
ante if this were an exhibition to which a single fief
would suffice; but to one cf this nature, embracinCio
vast a variety of objcte, two, three, four, or five iro
would be necessary. With reference to the diifien; the
in the way of making the Regent's-park the site el oia
proposed exhibition, he must be permitted to entet6o,
more confidence in the legal opinions taken by the 00,
vernment, than the authorities upon which the woe
Member for Middlesex relied. Then it must be rfteepr
bered that the proposition had been before the world e'
seven months. The conduct of the Commission ifi r
to
sisting the appeal made to them had been comparedot
that of a spoiled child, but he assured the House ;des
no efforts had been made to overcome the diffieu`oo
which were to be encountered; and if the arrangeof
made by them were to be undone, the same length to
time must be again consumed in making arrangoiead
for the new Site. They were told that the honour ;el
credit of England were involved ; but of this he for
sure, that if they changed their site England wouloteo
the first time, acquire a character for light-minde°P-iti
and instability of purpose. Thousands of labourer ode
this and other countries were at work preparing g
which they confidently expected to exhibit on the ell
now appointed. Were they prepared to frustrated to
these plans and expectations which they had 51100 01
be formed in this country and in- the world? He 1.00
oppose the withdrawal of any portion of the park
lob
the enjoyment of the public; but he denied that sjt
would be the effect of holding the exhibition there' ot
would be only the substitution of one kind of enjeri:,eff
for another,—a substitution of an enjo)ment oil ' for
small scale for an enjoyment on a very large scale; ~of
every mate woman, and child, who now used this particoll
spot of ground for recreation—and it was a very erne
number—at least a hundred, nay, a thousand, would se
sort thitbor to this great exhibition ftr the purge
both of recreation arid instruction.—(Hear, hear.) Ato
Sir DE LACY EVANS thought himself entide's 0
the indulgence of the House for a short time, both aeti,
metropolitan member, and as having presented a Ptso
tion signed by severity householders, praying thatnala
site of the exhibition might he; changed. No one W'the
regret more than himself to interpose obstacles i°bieb
way of the exhibition, of which he approved, and er,oo
rtflecttd the greatest credit on the illuttiious 13%01
who bad originate,: it; but ha could not relieve '
such would be the result of a mere change of site•„r?
Mr. STANFORD thought the whole error bad
nated in having entrusted the managiment of a great 11
tiooal undertaking to a body of private gentlernee.nti,
was said that the expense would be defrayed by
vate subscription, but be thought that extremely 010'100
ful. The responsibility would at last naturally cilTei
upon the Legislature. They were abort to expel:A°
nu!'
the lowest calculation, 100,0004 on a temporarye 0
ing, and be could see no reason why it should not "Aga
triennial or quinquennial exhibition, as among I.'ll'
nations. ate
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to correct a 10`1t"iievi
which had been made with reference to a statep- of
made by him on a former occasion. The corporate lto
Wisheach felt chagrined because he was suppose so,
have stated that they had only vot,d five guineostry
wards the exhibition. What he had stated their eeliefel
bution to be was twenty-five and not five guineaowilli
the fault was not his but tint of the newspapers. 1,0
reference to the question before them, his vote %vein Se
in favour of having the exhibition in Hyde.park• ope
had read with great pleusure and satisfaction the re°sbl
given for that course by the Commission, and he th°"001
them conclusive. In his opinion Hyde-park wag be
only a good site, but the best eite. That it should
any infringement on the es joyment of the poor
totally impossible. That might have been a good iirV
meat if Victoria park or Primrose-bill had beenfoqh
lected. Neither would it interfere with Bottor',llo
and the Hon. Baronet the Member for Mary lebOne,
was accustomed to disport himself there—(A lain 5j
would find that only a very small portion of the lir-te
would he taken away, and he would be almost at°
view the exhibition from the back of his horse.
.Lord D. STUART hoped that there would be o°s.
vision. Oue thing was clear, that with the solitarin ,)te
ception of the lion. 'and Gallant Member for Litiacwon
all were in &your of the exhibition of 1851.---('-tiir
hear.) Lie could not help thinking that as the iliegior
ants in the vicinity of Hyde-perk were very much 106
posed to having the exhibition near them, and I°,o
habitants of other parts of the metropolis were 0,11; bo
anxious to have it in their neighbourhood, it wolo"„a 1
ld
better to change the intended site. Hyde-park e7,.0
not be called central—it was in one coiner of coe,o-00
pubs—Hyde park corner.—(Laughter.) King'B4%-er
or Copeetiagen-fields would be a better and more
tral position, to which all classes would have reil
access.
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bone._ It was not the province of that House to 'Toot
but still he thougnt they eoulo,bot
omit from their consideration the circumstance
property to the amount of 150,0001 might be risked ed
adhering to the original plan. The Hon. and Lear
Attorney. General bad stated that the site was leS3O
unless the public interfered.—(Hear, hear.) Nevieh ,
was rather a startling propoaition coming from o'oo
source. The Hon. and Learned Gentlemen represni;the
the public interest, and it was his duty, if any 0' of
constituents of the Hon. Member for Westminster. °'oo
the Hon. Member for Middlesex, as relators, called
of
him to do so, ex debitu justifier, to appear to-wort-Oboe
any other day, before the Lurd Chancellor, and aok.„ir
interference of his court to stop the acts of the Coeir,al
sioners on the ground of their illegality. If the 'erbe
question was raised, therefore, it would bo raised by ere
Attorney-General. The radical Commissioners
ti°oo,
to over-ride the interest of property ; and the ,-403,
Member for Finsbury said it would be sanctioned by Pet,
because it was not over-riding the property of the 13-00
He (Mr. Stuart), however, held the law to be the °sthe
for all parties, and that it did not alter the case tad a
slightest degree that the Chief Justice of England,rore'
local irterest in the decision of the question. lie I'l 0
cited a division on the subject at that stage; bu,'l,oo
division was forced on the House, be felt he shoule,'",be
to support the resolution. He therefore moved that
debate should be adjourned. ea
Lard R GROSVENOR said if the Hon. and Lear°
110
Gentle man was no mote right in his law than en 00
facts, the building might be safely proceeded With. a 0
denied that the radical Commissioners were dispose el,
over-ride the tights of property, or that the lion. Meee,
bee for Finsbury hat agreed to over-ride all rights4lo
cept those of the poor. If the exhibition was
Hyde park, it would be perfectly accessible; but I', "the
the bridg, 3, it would be otherwise. With respect t.,„%te'
statonents made regarding the great quantity of dote
rials required for the building, the arguments of an ;aid
Member who had preceded him iu debate fully aat'ell•
him on that head. He had not heard a single "t,-& ii
founded objection to Hyde-park as a site. No d°lsbe
would be a sacrifice; but it westa sacrifice that "nt'. utl'
compensated f,,r by tire honour, ti.e glory, and t-er.)
vantage it would center on this country.—(Heers hae-s.d°'
Sir H. WILLUIJULIBY said the property of