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Mr., H. DRUMMOND said the Honourable Gentleman
who bad jest =at down spoke of having teAed the feeings of
the p,,opleot This country. He tai ho have said with more
ptoveiely-that he had been, not a tester, but an exciter of
thdr te•eliogs.—(Und laughter.) He (Mr. Drummond)
had no doubt there was excitement in the country, for that
party to whom the Irmourable Gentleman said the Noble
Lord owed his situation had cane forward and plainly
avowed that the measures which they looked for were fbr
the -purpose' of establi.shing a r,public.— (No, no.) An
Honourable Gentleman opposite stated, at a certain meet-
inz, that he had armed himself with many extracts from
the speeches of the Honourable Member for Buckingham-
shire, and remarked that they were handy as po,:ket-pil-
tils to tire off as occasion might serve. Taking counsel
from that Honourable Gentleman, he (Mr. Drummond)
had also about him sonic extracts from the speeches of
Honourable Gentle:nen opposite. Some of those Gentle-
men wo:11,1 prib,bly feel themselves somewhat embar-
rassed when they heard those extracts retorted on them.
They might feel somewhat like the " struck eagle,"
when he—

" VieW3 his own feather on the fatal dart
That driutl/45 the liie• blood of his bleeding heart.
Keen were is pangv, but kee:ter far to feel

nursed the pinion that impelled the steel."
What did Honourable Gentlemen opposite mean by "liberal
measures?" Did they mean any other than those which
would exclude the Crown and t'ai aristocracy? They had
charged Honourab'e Gentlemen on the Opposition benches
with not having had she courage to advocate distinctly
within the walls of that House those principles which they
Itai advocated in the country during the last vacation : hut
that surely was an imputation which could be fairly brought
against thermelves on the queslion of the extension of the
franchise. Their speeches were evidently delivered with
the view of pleasing their constituents. Now, his belief
was that no man could do his duty in that House who
stopped to deliberate whether the votes that he might give
or that the speechi.s which he might make, would
please his constituents or not.—(Cheers.) And his ex-
perience whilst he had a seat in that House convinced
him that those ainonget them who were the least attentive
to, and who were the most dead and insensible to, everything
worthy of the name of duty were the men who had been
influenced by the petty vanity of desiring to have a seat in
that House. And he also believed, that when the Govern-
ment desired to carry any measure of reform, such men were
the greatest obstacles with which they had to contend. The
advocates of this extension of the suffrage said that the end
which they had in view was an equalisation of the taxes.
He should be exceedingly glad if we could have an equalisa-
tion or the taxes—( Rear, hear)—and he hoped that the Go-
vernment might be forced during the next session of Parlia-
ment to bring forward some gee v rail and homogeneous system
of taxation by which we should be freed from the anomalies
under which we laboured under the existing system. - (Hear,
hear.) But he really believed that gentlemen who to: k
upon themselves the trouble of perambulating and agi-
tating the country had ulterior objects in view; he be-
lieved that they desired to effect some more sweeping
change than a mere equalisation of the taxes. They wanted,
they said, "equality,'' which, of course, meant equality of
property, or, in other words, the destruction of property—
(No, no)—and consequently there would be nothing but
starvation for all.—(Hear, hear.) There could be no doubt
that they wanted "equality," as that word was understood
in France. They wanted to introduce a system based on a
thorough contempt for the experience of mankind.—(Hear,
hear.) They wanted to evolve out of their own brains a
scheme of government which should set the experience of all
past, as well as the present time, at defiance. The Hon.
Member concluded. by saying, at the came time he did not
think the motion of his Hon. Friend involved all the en-
larged views which he (Mr. Drummond) had taken of the
question of reform as it was dealt with by Hon. Gentlemen
on the Government. side of the House. As it stood upon the
paper, the motion was simple enough. It was the same that
he hid advocated previously, and therefore he could not re-
fuse to advocate it now; but while he gave it his support, he
begged it to be distinctly understood that he did not do so
with the same views as those who merely regarded this mea-
sure as a narrow point of the wedge which they were desirous
of inserting for the purpose of effecting changes of a far more
important character.

Lord DUDLEY STUART rejoiced that the Hon. Gentle-
man was at all events going to support by his vote, if not by
his speech, the cause of the people. The Hon. Gentleman as-
serted that the advocates of liberal measures desired a repub-
lic. lie entirely repudiated the charge ; nor did he think that
such a thing as a republic was desired by the people of this
country. All they sought was a full and fair representation.
Did any one think that the House of Commons, as at present
constituted, enjoyed the confidence of the people? The mo-
tion was a step in the right direction, and he would therefOre
give it his support. He regretted that his Hun. and Gallant
Friend (Sir De Lacy Evans) had withdrawn his inure coin-
prehemive measure. He wished to see the franchise bestowed
on all who contributed to the poor-rates. With respect to the
charge of agitatioe, they were determined to agitate till they
had secured a fair representation ; and he felt convinced that
the agitation would ultimately accomplish its object. Did the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government think the repre-
sentation in a .-atisfactory state? Plainly not; for he had let
drop a few significant words not long since which indicated
an intention to enlarge the franchise. The people now de-
minded the boon qaietly and calmly; but were they sure
that this feeling would remain the same in troubled times?
The true policy of those who wished to maintain the country
in a state of prosperity was to grant this measure, and grant
it in time. He hoped his Noble Friend would take this oppor-
tunity of declaring his views, and would promise some great
measure for the enlargement of the franchise in the next
session of Parliament.—(Hear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said he was not go'ng to vote in
favour 4 f the motion, although it h id been- advocated by an
able and intelligent colleague of his on that (the Opposition)
side of the House. What did he find ? He found a sweet
unanimity prevailing on the other side of the House as to the
first resolution. But beyond this the unanimity entirely
ceased. No less than three qualifications were proposed, and
he and those who sat on the same side with him had there-
fore a right to expect from Hon. Gentlenren professing liberal
opinions that they shou'd at least agree amongst themselves
as to what they really wanted. This movement appeared to
him to be simply an attempt to put the screw on the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government. He (Mr. N'ewdegate)
was by no means bound to defend the Whig-Radical Reform
Bill of 1832.—( Hear, hear.) Neither was he precluded from
considering any well-directed extension of the franchise,
being one of the old constitutional Tory party so much de-
spired by some Hon. Members. This much, however, he would
say—he would vote for none of the propositions of Hon. Gentle-
men opposite until they knew what they wanted themselves.
Then it would be time enough to consider what their state-
ments were word'. For his own part, he did not believe in
the existence of any extreme anxiety on the pare of the
people for any such change. He was perfectly ready to
admit at the same time that that House did not possess the
confidence of a large portion of the people, who had repeat-
edly expressed their desire that the Government would afford
them the opportunity of expressing their opinions by the
selection of their representatives according to the existing
forms of the constitution; but there was nothing like the ex-
pression
of a want of confidence in those forms, or of the pre-
sent qualification. He could not agree with the Noble Lord
who tied last spoken, that because the people were at this
moment quiet and contented, this was the time for disturbing
their tranquillity by introducing a measure for the alteration
of the franchise. There were already disturbing elements
enough. Until an appeal had been made to the country by
a dissolution, lie had a right to say that all these proposals
for a change, coming from the opposite side of the II ,use, ex •
pressed an extreme want of confidence in their own position
with respect to the present constituencies.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said he should vote against the present
proposition very much upon the ground which the Hon.
Member for West Surrey had assigned for supporting it.—
(Hear, hew-, and a laugh.) The Hon. Member said he did
not think any considerable mischief could arise from it, be-
cause at this period of the session it would not be possible
to do more than lay the Bill on the table of the House. To
deal in so trifling a spirit with the large and important
vestion of the franchise, would be neither becoming to
the character of that House nor fair to the people. This
was quite a sufficient reason for voting against the mo-
tion, without entering into the merits of the particular pro-
positien involved in it ; and he felt, moreover, justified in
refraining from entering upon it, because its supporters had
hardly gone into a y arguments having the least refer-
ence to that proposition. If they were to deal with the
extension of the franchise, it was not in the middle of July
that they ought to begin.—(Hear, hear.) He had been
invited to a discussion, into which he should certainly not
enter at any length, having on a former occasion delivered his
opinions fully to the House. The supporters of the motion
had treated of matters not a all befere them on the present
occasion, such as the number of electors. and their represen-
tatives, and the usual arithmetical calculations had been
gone through, to
.show the disproportion which existed in
some instances. This was all perfectly true, but it was
really time for those who insisted so much on bringing
such facts constantly before the House, to point out what
inference they proposed to draw from them. -. (Hear, hear.)
But if equality ought to be the rule, then he asked them to
show the House a plan of those districts into which they
prop-:sed to divide the country. Let them exhibit a plan
of the squares aed parallelograms into which they intended
to divide the country, and then the House would be able to
see whether the fort of representation they wished to give
was the sort of representation the country wished to have
—( heer.) He required this the more because he saw the
lion. Member of the Tower Hamlets left out of the represen-
tation of counties, as if they Lad no importance, had no right
to vote, and possessed no claim to respect. In making the
county division, they aiti—put the towns on one side, and
put the boroughs on the other. They appeared to forget
these were such counties as Lincolushire and Devonshire,
which had 40,000 electors—a suffleient number to be repre•
sensed in that House, and to have their fe•.lings, their senti-
ments, and their views represented in that House, and repre-
sented in the divisions which took place in that House.—
(Hear, hear.) lie wished the whole of the statement to be
made, in order to see how they proposed to disfranchise large
counties, and what additional weight they proposed to give
to small boroughs. lie begged, when they next brought
forward the argument, that they at the same time would
bring forward their scheme, so that the House mie,ht see
whether it was compatible with our form of Government.
And, without entering into the question as to whether the
House altogether represented the peoplee-whether there were
not some inequalities in the representation—and whether
equal representation plight not be preferable to the
existing system, he did say that the people were deeply
and thoroughly attached to the present form of Government
—( Hear, hear)—and had always made it a coadition,
in any reform that might lee contemplated in the constitu-
tution of that House, and the mode in which the people
should elect their representatives, that this reform should be
compatible and consistent with a Monarchy and a House of
Lords, which form, as well as the Houee of Commons,
fundamental portions of the constitution. And when the
Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets, and other Hon. Mem-
bers, again brought fel-ward this subject, he .hoped the
House would first require them t., state what plan they
proposed. and next it the result of the proposed plan
would In agreeable to the wishes of the people—namely,
whether it would conduce to the maintenance of the pre-
sent form of government. lie did not wish to Vtl anythisg
to what he had before said on the same subject.—( Hear.)
The Hon. Member fur the Tower Hamlets said, unless we
came forward with a pledge of some plan of reform to be
determined upon during the Parliamentary recess, and to
be brought forward early next session, he and other lion.
Members svoul.l lose confidencein the Government, and
then government would no longer exist. He did not
fs;aemewhysuc a plan i
Governmenth
t'Pot o'lrdd give such a pledge and
order to bring it forward
next session.
• If the Government had not the confidence of
that House—if Hon. Geutleme.a thought a change in the
Government advantageous, let it take place. That was the
natural course of events. They would then see their plan
of t'arliamentery reform brought forward by those in whim
they could place confidence, and breught forward in a much
better way.—( Hear, hear.) Ile had nothing further to say
with respect to the moduli, except that he could not see

ntage to be :anticipated, Con
,rringing the —( Hear, hear.)
thick the near aproach of the
art cva3 4 good reason for riot enter'
Nor did he think the Noble Lorti':;
offr,t_ii aAogether satisfactory or suit-
able. The !,ad complained that the speeches
on the questiy: w. rt to 1.1:e point. taut the Noble Lord's
10101! speech ,lerehee whatever to the question. I,
the po_ti,rt (.1 ,rid were dropped from the clouds ""
the p; wi trout any representative government
the Lord all his courve—which he exereise3
always must i.:.,riesly when wrong—(lleac)—would not
venture to recommenel the system of representation which
now existed in England and Ireland. What he and
asked, was not a total change of the existing systems be
such a correction cf the present inequalities as would
make the representation nearer that which it ought
to be. %% hat was wanted was to make the berouP
and county e. 3 stem of qualification equ and if the Neble
Lo:d had riot an unchangeable hostility to an extension of the
r,presentatit7w, he could not refuse to support the moderato
proposi ion of his Hon. Friend. If the present prorosition
were carried, the erica would be to bind the 'Tonle mono
elwe'y the constitution as it now stood.—(Cheers.) The
Noble Lord, the rejected of Devonshire, twice elected and
once rejected by Devon, hire, to its discredit, had fitlt the pine"
of a narrow constituency there. Ile had Leen opposed bf
the power or the Church, who raised the cry that he iv°l
about to bring the Pope into the country again, and to burn
heretics.—(On, oh). Had there Leen a widerconstituenci,
the ~,oble ',fin? might I.ave renamed the re re entative
one of the largest counties in the dom. The Noble Lcru
said the people apia•oved of the present eonstitutiort.
He did nut credit the assertion. (Cries of '6 Oh! at!)
The,e was not more than one person out of every seven wil°
were repre:e tel in this country. It was natural that the sib
uarepresentcd sloaild feel discontented with tlyAr po.ition. or,
should look to other countries where reforms had occurred,
and desire to see the same reforms extended to this country
He would advi-e the Noble Lord not to refer to July as a rent'
son fir not entertaining this important question. He was
satisfied, if the nu tion of his Hon. Friend were taken bp,'
would give general satisfaction to the country.
Mr. L. KING, in reply, said that independent Members ill
that House were very badly used. They were always
tainted for not bringing forward specific plans, but the
moment they did so the Government intervened and pre'
vented them from carrying them on. The Noble Lord ViOs
hampered by two parties—the one for progress, and the One
which desired to see things remain stationary. The cone'
quence was that he did nothing. Ile could say to thew, ill
the language of Captain Macheath— -
"How happy could I be with either,
Were t'uther dear charmer away;
•
But while you both teaze me together,
To neither a word will I say."

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Mr. GRATTAN said that the Noble Lord had been':
taunted site treating the sulject in a rather jocular"
man: er; for his part, he preferred a jocose to a mores
Minister.— (llesir, hear.) But if they complained of the state,-
of eke representation iu this country, let them recollect that
in Ireland there were 7,0e0,000 of people, out of eviller'
there were not 70,000 individuals who had a vote. The people''
of Ireland would be satisfied with the constitution V
England, but they should receive it; and they would b°
satisfied with nothing less. What was their position Thef4:.
had sent up a Bid to another House in which they declarer:
that there should be an 81. rating. In defiance of theld
wish a 151. rating had been inserted. Did the Noble Dec.
mean to be ;1 .den over after that fashion ? He called uP°-
.;
.English gentlemen to stand up for their rights, and not
permit themselves to be thus trampled upon.
Mr. DISRAELI then rose and said—l have to apologis.,
to you, Sir, and the Hon. Gentleman opposite, for attetnr,
ing to rise after he had concluded his reply; but, as the '
bate has been re-opened, and as it has assumed a new
pect, I hope I may be allowed to say a few words, althoegt
it was against my original intention to do so. I find that_
an English Reform islember finds fault with The Engl,i°,ll
Reform Act, and an Irish Reform Member finds fault e",,`s:
the Reform Act fur Ireland. We who sit on this side of „,t,"s,
House are not responsible for either of those Acts. It' •
Noble Lord has a deeper personal and political 10';
terest in them that we have. In listening to the obser/S.,
tions which have passed during the debate, I have been n°l;'
titularly struck with the want of comprehension, which;
exists as to what our constitution really is. I 13°,.:
*twee-8 believed that gentlemen on the other side of t,,'o i 0 -
House, whatever mightebe their opinion with respect to tn
franchise, considered that the constitution had been lueueee
fled by the privileged classes, who enjoyed their privileg''S
for the general advantage of the community. We have
Throne—we have a House of Peers, spiritual and ternporai.,
arid we have a House of Commons in possession of certaw..
:),.
privileges. You may increase, enlarge, or diminish th°s
privileges, but still they are privileges which have atoll/0,
been enjoyed in the history of this country by a limited Per;
tion of the community. We know well what has been t.,s:
result of such a constitution, whatever may have been
material. It has been established on the aristocratic IstiOlie
pie in the widest and the noblest sense of the term. bign*
always heard it taught by gentlemen opposite that p011b.4
power and political privilege was obtainable by every he°,:;r
and virtuous artisan under the old system, whatever nutty
of classes the community was divided into. No class win,•
deprived of the privilege of electing its representatives—frond
the proudest manorial lord to the humblest artisan in •DP°•,
la -d, all were represented. Some years ago, less then, g'
quarter of a century, you thought proper to terminate te°r.,
scheme, and it was so by the Noble Lord the First Ministee ,
in his official capacity The measure he proposed was
cepted with enthusiasm; it was supported by many gent .°
inert who were then Members of this House, and there is
gentleman opposite who has not acquired his seat through
the instrumentality of that measure. They are therefore
sponsible,' and ought to be grateful, for the Reform 131 j
What is your position now? There are a great number .
gentlemen who are discontented with that settlement—ge.s.
tlemen who were ready to vote that black was white lu
support when proposed—gentlemen who went to the country
for the whole Biil and nothing but the Bill. They were° t
sponsible; no doubt, they had maturely weighed the cif
and the attendant circumstances which would be cool;
quent on that great political change in a great country''
They no doubt said, We ate going to effect a great change is ,
the fortunes of a great country. We will take care net.
adopt any measure without due deliberation and careful iao
vestigation. We will do nothing rashly, but what We er.
will ha permanent and lasting it has happened, howe"de
that ever since this Bill, the whole Bill, and nothing 110,
the Bill was adopted, there have been nothing but complaint,;
of i•s working. Gentlemen are always quarrelling with th
political arrangement which sent them to this House• big
know that I speak the feelings of many Members 011 t 6.
side of the House when I say that I have no suPerso
tioue reverence for the Reform Act. I was not "s.O
House when it passed, but if I had been I should lir' $
opposed it. It w s a settlement brought forward bYto,
party to whom I should have been in opposition from his of
ricat associations. No doubt, in the supplementary view's A•.
that case, the interests of party were not neglected. I do nee
attribute any blame to such a proceeding. If gentleo
ever have the opportunity of carrying a measure of 'O.,
kind, which I believe they never will, they will be quite ea
titled to do the same. But the interests of your parry Wers
1,.
then provided for in the measure you accepted with e,
thusiasru. I think it a matter to be regretted that 3°
should have destroyed . the privilegls of the working, •
classes, who were represented under the old system, witto
cut finding out some compensatory scheme „i
provide for the loss. But who voted against the workiu„eie
Why the gentlemen who went for the Bill, the whole Ploi
and nothing but the Bill. What I rise for new is to It° ti)o
what Hon. Gentlemen mean. If they mean to say we call.„,s
longer endure the ancient constitution of this countr,3l,.,
constitution modified by the political estates of the reel,'" if
why tnen I say you propose a revolution.—( Hear, bean/ ee.
you are prepared to do so, why come forward with your
lineation for a 10/. franchise in a county, a resolution wl!titie
is aiways met with a congenial amendment which is
drawn if found convenent. But none of you do this. ,L,°00,.
of you declare that every man is entitled to the suffrage• tt,
the contrary, several of your leading men have made decl'ef
tions hostile to such a proposition. I remember a speecte'd
the Member for the West Riding to such an effe,t•
the Hon. Member for Manchester has put a limit upon i 6
There is not one of you who says that a man of full age se's;
be entitled to the franchise. Bring forward your measureo
tell us what you mean and what you want; and then ....6
will be prepared tai meet you. By the settlement which IbP •
Noble Lord prop: sed, he immensely increased the number
.
and the importance of the Commons of this country
and, on the whole, beneficial changes have beg,
the consequence of that measure. Although the Fll
lie benefit had been the main object of the settle,i
ment of 1832, yet it was also made in a supplementsr
sense in favour of the power of the party to which eve tio
opposed, and by the machinery of the Act, the benefitso,
conferred should extend in a relative proportion as the Wig
lation extended. One would have supeosed, in listening r•
the speeches of Honourable Gentlemen, that eighteen yea
ago ago the House of Cetnin'us had actually decided the -
ber of electors who were to vote. But what have I he", •
both in this House and out of it? That there was ona
working man who was virtuous arid industrious that ee'lof •
not obtain the franchise. Well, and are the people et
England so besotted that they cannot make the effort, b
that they find it necessary to propose some such measure s!1
this? I am for the system which would establish in
country a free Government which has confidence in t"„
energy and The higher powers of man. Gentlemen ern/
posite would degrade man to the franchise instead
raising man to it. lam fur a free aristocratic country
(Ironical cheers)--free, because it is so. Those Gaoll t.; .
men who jeer are ignorant that I use the word not in 'to
limited meaning but in its noblest sense, which is
achieve the best add to accomplish the best.—(Cheers•
We have been told that we are to look to France, 01:14
that by the Member for Westminster, who has to:,
us that in Paris there are 70,000 electors, while he has erijfi
7; 00. But he forgot to tell you Oat for every Parisi°,
elector there were two bayonets to keep him down. Ile for•
got that the electors who sent him to this House were the
men who for centuries sent men to this House whose halne-e
will live in the history of this country—the men who fie-
Mr. Fox, Sir Francis BurdeJ 0, and other illustrious names
4:
maintain the snuggle for liberty. To draw a comparison
with such a life aed such a history with that of a fareiglin
country was a degradation which I did not think that eves
a reformed House of Commons would tolerate.—(Cheeilif
Sir, I have been told that it would be a god thing to ;111°e
the Government to fight this question out with their sec
porters, and in Parliamnitary tactics it would have been
so; but I have nothing to do with them. I have 00".
superstitious reverence for the Reform Bill, but I r„
spect the verdict of the nation. Although that arrange
ment was made to promote the attainment of Wbitre.
power and gratify the lust of Whig patronage, still be.we
contented to abide by it. The Reform Act had been ratified
by the consent of the nation, and should not be disturbed
on idle grounds. You disturb it; but what is the real °,7„,
cret of all tlase July motions? Why, you do not trust tf.)
constituencies which sent you to this House.—(Hear, bell'he'
You know well that if you appeal to that privilege 0f t‘t,
people, enlarged as it was by the Reform Bill, not one in led
of you would be returned—(Laughter and cheering)-,
you think you can in this way manage your constituents;
You
Yeu think that by thus cobbling and changing, and vehe.ott
ing and polishing, the people of England will still sutler
to continue Members of Parliament.—(Cheers ) mere it
not the slightest chance of it—(Cheers)—for I believe tu',
if the electors of this kingdom consisted of every full.grnvi „
t
sus 'ct of her Majesty, you would still be sent;off.—(Latigu (.0
and cheers.) I do not believe that a 101., or a 5/1
a 21 franchise, or universal euffraee itself, would save f°,ll' of
(Cheers ) 1 believe that the great mass of the pnoPleets
England would remain fait hfal to the traditionary instill o,
of lenelishmen, and declare that, whatever might be the Pe, ,
litical manoeuvre —whatever might be the nature of the 10_14 ,1
chise—whatever might be the scherne,which you would
adopt—they would be for the monarchy—they would be for
the empire._ they would be for that constitution which 0141,e
them free arid made them eminent; and that they vt°uof
give a great national verdict against that levelling systeul„„ :
political tergiversation of which you are the 'Worn °tar
porters.—( Hear, and cheers.)
Sir B. HILL remarked that it was usual, when an e
goo.
Gentleman brought forward a motion for the consideralo
of the House, that after the discussion of that motion ere
reply closed the debate.—(Hear.) In the present case r"
was a departure from that custom—( hear, hear) -an Pie
traordinary departure..—(Hear, hear.) His jelonoUr°

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tamend hhe Member for Meath (Mr. Grattan) rose after the and spinet the rescinding of the recent resolution passed by
h' and alluded to certain measnre3 not immediately under the House.
yconsideratienof the House. Hon Member for Mr. FORSTER presented a petition, which. as well as we
annee, a .
to ,e'"ga nishire, upon the assumption that he wasto replyt could understand amidst the noise and confusion, was from
'ose extraneous observations of his Hon. Friend, up ' the underwriters of Lloyd's, which he said contained severaltibs
The
wvoicillt?sted the rules of that Assembly.- ( Hear,
hgl:e'are) important facts, and the petitioners declared that it. whin ,
e''ll4fluen °f the Hen. Member were in.substianee t at, in force.le te carry on their business wnile the restriction nal s
in Also another petition very numerously and highly
debate ee of new matter having been introuuced, a new
was generated. n. Gentleman. one would
pew e thaught 'd -. shaveadd re himself to that and professional men, again
respectably
.signed by admirastle,thgeenneerwal
roe:incleartsi,othil;ysiaclisaonsa,
iirloe , evour at eras a r e •
nbat h.,S. rwould at least have made some reference to third petition from a place, the name of which we could not
hoe • eutrom the Hon. Member fur Meath-that he would hear, to the same effect.
ha Srtitied the pretended cause of his rising; but the fact Mr. DISRAELI presented a petition from a place in Bucks,
je7t iVtil did not even allude to it. Upon the main sub-
.t.te ni• we believe, of the new regulation.
Voted ;educed by his Hon. Friend (Mr. Grattan) the-e in
-1.1;.eni., GIBSON presented a petition from the meeting
weah,
sh 3 time and opportunity for discussion, but this he held. the night bsfore at the London Tavern, signed by the
the ;e-sonra,titoliat he hoed the house would now be firm in chairman, against the continuance of the restriction.
When the le a 11111 Ch it had passed.-(Hear, hear.) But Sir E. BUXTON presented. a petition. in favour_ of the
new arrangement, but whence it was impossible to hear,
ere for a hon. Gentleman said we are tor a monarchy-we
Sir J. PAKINGTON apprehended that Hon. Members
reoas louse of Lords-we are for a House of Corn-
ho representing petitions desired that the debate should
sentieterne,PerTnting the people, he only echoed the
elan
sal.o.,himself and his friends. But the Hon. Gentle- I gow on,w were
it ep be ehjected-(Cries of "Order.")
they
han,,t U hat do you want ? " lie would tell him what Mr. I'ROEBUCK said that it was not competent to the
fen but which hail
wanted that which they had often asked 1i0n.,, Member to speak and make oljectionsto pe!
The SPEAKER had not observed that the H: at.
I:lleaerseht_e.n,wsiloinch bad net been conceded to them-they wantedn Member
of the franchise.. It was now nearly twenty I was_ making, objections to the petitions, or that he was out
since .'!•
nee the P.eform Bill had been passed, and they had of order.
Si- J. PAKINGTON said that it was not his intention to
to the`gueotolten attempted to obtain a franchise more suitable
make' any observations on the petition.
had heeler ifl',lg !rents and wishes of the ovulation, but they
for ehten
iened in almost every
_instance. Even a proposal i
_Msruch confusion, and cries of "Go on," amidst which .
M LOCKE rose. He said he felt himself placed in a
months ,(oten the period for the payment of the rates three 1
until af.'..°e'n talian the original Period had not been cerried ! diPicu'll had a petition of importance to present that
kaia thher. a gade of thirteen Years. The Hon. Gentleman Iw. a's of personal intereet to himself. Ile had certainly said,
the p_'::, it hehad been in Parliament hews have opposed in the early i art of the evening, that if his motion could
epitho'7?riti Bill ; let me ask him if he was always of that not come on between.. eleven and twelve o'clocnk,
ohnettweotoipk.,l
not press it fo, aa, d. Two or three Gentleme
m...,,e,-(flear, hear.)
si;n.l A L L
olSlienELl intimated that he wan ' petite side had addressed him personally, and he had toldri
Prieinre - Will the Hon. Gentleman 'wok my Hon. them he would not bring it on after eleven o'clock. 'The
einahse net Hama) in the face and say that he. has been i Hoa. Meraber. was proceeding, when disorder was renewed,
hi-. „el that opinion?
$, SR ELI- Certainly. ' '
. i during which
..
Sir 1 Mr. COLiDEN presented a petition, but neither the pur-
`'ilio es, • '''-Certainly -Certainly ! Why the Hon. Gentleman ! port nor the name of the place from which it emaciated could
at Iv stands forward• -
one ras the great champion of protection , ' '
Sir R. INGLIS was understood to move that Mr. F. Mac-
be heard.
this hhanne held opinions now entertained by Gentlemen ou ! .
' W °t the House. The 1 kenzie be heard.
resolvede hare , .e. Hon. Gentleman s d liin effect- „
, The SPEAKER put the question that Mr. Mackenzie be
:, t,aue!ermined upon the Reform Bill,
an
' we
have. 'heard.-(No, no, and go on.)
a these
a..? t it. strait be a final measure." Let me ask him
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member for Honiton
g 9 deivarttere always his principles ?- (Hear ) Did he
,not I
hadrisen when called upon to bring forward his motion, and
kr. 0•000 the borough el High Wycombe as the protjge cf.
heapprehended was iii strict possession of the House. Ap-
Re don "ell and .Mr. Hume? -Hear, hea Did he not ;
tlea ll under th •putoff l • mo-
; peals Liao been made to the Hon Member to
tem ,n, reDid he
not
en-
t lion, but the Hon. Member was in possession, and ought to
•to present Marylebone? - (Hear.) Did he not , Dti, , go into Parliament have the option of proc-eding or not.-(Cheers.) Wnen
eves? for that borough on Liberal
,1
eh
and ea .„, - (Hear.) Why, I can tell the Hon. Gentleman the Member sat down any other Hon. Member might
Hen.
fires' ttouee the ' ' in •
s,and ~ e very shape which he
framed his ad- speak.
„eV eta, that
place in which he wrote it ; and if I had any ela ••
I -1.1 LOCKErose again, but as the noise pretiented a word
eeae --• teat the debate
. he uttered from being heard he resumed his seat.
(Le' been ere c pared would .
have taken this turn, I would
that excellent address.- ess - i Sir R; INGLIS then rose, but was received with a storm
he tighter and • with a copy of
? of calls to order and for Mr. Locke, and " Chair, chair."
`'! Letitia ,cries of "Hear." les, I can tell the lion. ‘
~ , , ,
Waineh an of the place in which that address isubmitted that, after the I
Sir R. INGLIS respectfully
4eet ithed' and I will t very
I Laughter. lt wasin Crawford- I Speaker had called upon the lion. Member for lloniton, he
1110 _ ryanston 00. -eho
of n. I I), e i had put another question front the chair-namely, " That
Was •lielth Gentlemane-sq°are' in the borough i ary e en..
and lel his ,_ u visited a tallow-chandler there, and it 1 the petitions do lie upon the table ?" Upon that question
the Hen. Member for Droitwich rose, and, therefore, the
erha On
hse he wrote that address.-(Great laughter,. .
Hon. Member for lioniton was not in possession.- (Much
Peetioih ut . Question.") Question! Aye but tlos is the !
cheering, and renewed confusion.) He took this ground
114eli.uater, g
)4111'11:ery ugly question it is too.-(Rene
with the utmost respect to the Chair, that the Hon. Member
nethlte.t, hehhh, e sits the. lion.. Gentleman
.(sahl
i for limiter, had not that audience of the House. to which he
ith °Wet ig to Mr. Disraeli), the champion rf the Pro-
' would have been so well entitled if the intermediate question
e had Lent}'-theta sits the lion. Gentleman-who says
toe ltet nln the House, he would have voted against •hadnot been - t -(Cheers.)
ph..
een4 I d ' The SPEAKER said that, accor on
o e el' t th rules of the
lasi,. weh It yet that Benne lion. Gentleman went i
' House- no debate could arise on p,,titions. The Hopi Mem-
f.4,. neine,
„.72,', nnbe under the auspices of my Hon. Friend ;
b f ; Droitwich had risen to speak to that subject, and the
Venal t "" of the late Mr. O'Connell, and put himself i er h
'We ° represent ,respecting the petitions had been put. He had
h. 8--(ni entinarylebone borouh on Liberel vin- _ question .
. .
Igil 'eel' 1 -*
of Question.") 1 h • the i
I. es re- '`, aln cries "me • • Han. Member fur Honiton should
thought it right that the.of . n
dal Feet f to speak on the subject putting off , etati„ or the talents of the lion. Gentleman ; but have the opportunity
-44 L "g facts-facts in which,his motion, and he thought that Hon. Member was still in
to_re anted Met _
poeses-ion.-(Hear, hear, and cheering.) If the House
thre
I.
ine ;„ nber fir Nottingham (Mr. O'Connor) con
ti - lthe debateshould not proceed further, any Hon.
mug it
e„ lam wrong-and 1 again assert that, under
rose 1--e and Member was at liberty to move the adjournment of the
~ aon seal of the Honourable Member for Mont- .
"Nati wage late Mr. O'Connell, the Honourable Gen-
Ba . House. The question, however, that Mr. Forbes Mackenzie
Patin)' the II
„II down to High Wyc mbe. Ido not be heard must be first put.
Patin 1"n• Gentleman " of Mr. A. HOPE attempted to address the House, but in
Dies ut. went to the whole extent the .
eie.. , the Charter. Ido not say he was quite up to vain.
is
shag e, but that h ed nearly
Mr. DISRAELI said a few worda, but was render .
do ant •• -e was a decided Liberal, I think there
done „,,,, evidence to rov . -(Q te-tion ) I have now 0 b , the buzz which prevailed. We understood hire
inaudible 3
then With the te,
liht been kon of the , It Gentleman. 'There he now sits the ' tosayt _ that the
n, _
ea s rotectionist party-the Hon. Member who said, that after r e . 1 ven o'clock he would not bring on the
il'heeoeihe4 ndidate for Marylebone-a candidate for High arrangements were made fur the
motion. But when these arrangem
"Nail ;.„Ort. Liberal principles Iho ie the Hon. Gen- ' 'of Members the Home should,not be too severe
coavenience
)4loteninl,',', In the spirit of lii own prop' hecy-that if the ii their interpretation. When the. House returtnheadnfraotmutatioief
;I,seotea hn"n.bee carried, we on this side of the House will be division it was eleven o'clock, antelhicnoneideri g
requiredn a very long
;`,t3- so hrhnh electors-but meet nie on the bus: fags-and it, the question-which
.he did not.
later,k
Ayr
ton Mien that lea ma • meet that same tallow• chandlerwhat mattered ? it
debate, if they did sr up a little . d
etirsoetne-Ueaugliter and • " . . e) I will not was much more desirab'e that the subject should be disposed
peon it ",,14 question further, cries ofQuestion.")
touched of than that they should all go away; and lie collected the
!halite the Hon nor would I have at all
feeling a nee Ho-use to be teat the Hon. Member for Honiton
ne„ r reeh, , • Member had not in a most unusual,, .
~
No no " and "Go on.")
H! before ttneen the debate and gone into the whole sub- anatud speak.-(" , • .
P. Frip , e House I ++ ill t the motion of my here arose, with cries of
Sdll greater noise and confusion . , .
ale - -aft the si . l Filippo!'
" Withdraw, withdraw." We understood Sir Robert Inglis
hed whit(
ns ember for East Surrey.
lible'!tPs the n"141 rtae, after a pause of a few moments- to refuse to withdraw his moti n that Mr. F. Meckenzie be
le no . House will not think it obtrusive or objection heard, and that motion was then put from
the chair, and
'(Il '' if I answer
tried ar, heath the questions of the Hon. Gentleman. negatived.
1114 Qpltifinti/o_ Ido not propo.se to offer any very length- Mr. LOCKE then rose, but Is as heard with difficulty
Ilea 4ael with aus of my conduct. What the Hon. Gen le- amidst the buzz and
incoherent sounds which filled the at-
het" twetny tiueh an air of originality was said in the moepherh of the House.
feeling He said' he would re-pond, to the
trtaitt..a3sta. .. nes befor. The House may not remember best ot his ability, to the and wishes of the House,
it.,4e ly wets (Innen so insignificant a subject; it' they did, it and would detain them for as short a period as possible; for
I4' his
e,_ quite unnecessary for the lion. Gentleman to he felt that at that time._ of the
ei;aanaie"aa,,rgee, or that I should give an•answer to them, that attention with which at a n earlier period of the evening
te,'"atl 1", however to Corr t eerrors in matters uf correct some . . they might ossibly have favoured him.
~ lie a-sured the
lit._ trust the fl'ou House, however, that the stoppage of the I ost-office was a
Wien •( Hear i ee will hear use whilst I explain
tine gin hi,, , near,)
t, , I ' The Hon Gnitleman was entirely t subject of very great importaiece, an-d one that demandendsao
the Place ", "'bolo statement, larger and much more careful consideration than the
.Hu
I never- was a candidate (Jr i
lee(lrowil'en the meritiof.t he Re orin Bill were in ques- li had y« t bestowed. The House might be aelaubretd,.tthnionntainoyn .
Geri ore waalepalaeheering, and cries of " Hear, hear.") ' I
That remarks.. he mightbl make Ice thehaodnonnortai)itt Liegmbeer,
but this
any leigtatt alleend at the period to which the Honeurable 1 of imptiting nme
nee eve bee es--(Renewed ironical cheers.) Whatever 1 much he. would say, that ial ir.he day on which the debate on
nee
and,
nth--(neica‘'an always coneistentiv °noosed to the be a day on which some races were held, consequently,
House. Miley Hon.
I ''g ha 't '` Heir h ~ ' •• • • • Reform there was a thin attendance in the .
alw4 . Part and : , . ear. ) I was in opposition to the
eleinbers, therefore, had been taken by surprise.-(Hear.)
entert.s3ie earnehe'n :;.pposition from no interested motives- :
Th Nimble Lord the Member for Bath had undoubtedly made
4r1,1,r, meal (he'as 01 the opinions I have done to-night-I I , . e .
saw a n'Y opieieT as the traditionary., hietorical, legiihnate. I his statemera. with great moderation, and however much be
1b in opinion with him as to the ap-
aght greet ,h ans of the peodle of tins country, and when I (Mr. Teee'he, might differ
dad • there tin or wrung,e !once] movement made by a er't •to which, plication of the rules he
.laid doyen, . could be no
hree.ets whets
I waiopposed, I gave utterance to my sen-, doubt of the i urine, and charity of his motives, or of the ino-
iihst!gs, as"f
.1 the Reform Bill Was proposed I 000sed the 1 deration with which de had propounded his-views to the
the (ltieslisa uo now, Hone. The Noble Lord had dwelt much upon the great
I oppomd the %Whig' settlement of
reaae'i'seritey acre( (clear, hear its number of pet ititions which had been presented to the House
) -and I only accepted it bees e
Poses, totati •nt.ed inn (Chtere.) init the lion. Gentle- in favour of the views he advocated. He (t.or.ooLtooc J;),tmeata-
hieat or thal y netaken wh-ii he says that lam new op- not prepared to deny the number of petitions
dee 'because S ever at any tiine was-o
posed to that settle- Let, or to deny that the greater number might.. be ' the
be reede how ie
nh4that / :hetrWanin favour of Parliepmentary finality. I : siee of the Noble Lord ; but
.a.....heniitt wastoa rtr(ltilee.nar
hear)_
rests„ WOW(' just,Pl anything in this House or out of it e say was the process of getterahupNl i I
• petitions-(Hear,
justified in con-
tain:gem, flu "en the Hon. Gentleman it making that he doubted whether th_e-Ilobese to
her fe °a the 4ad I went down to the borough of W•a ' basis for settlina such
sidering the greatness of num er aerie . .
le,
• •e reeo
) • l this-( Hear, hear) accepting sue 1 a test
hOO or 111olitro min, ndation of in Ilan. Friend the Diem- a question as
44 f t bern to j'' W ha, I lived in thati mu eh ; I was bred of pubic opinion. Theseipetitionswer not the safest guides
thee Noble Lord and tee
tilt root ehhert let t
in legislation, and he WOUcd remindhow
incidentsw ;and Eisen this ciorcuiu6stance, as well
it was, to set in
ea:,eanty in ni, it is I believe that I now represent House how easy it was, uh
dangerousof the conventicle as to the
4, the p nich that boron •I is (II ar )As to motion the organized machineryb, , .
ath 'cm. (rent' , i situated. this coun.r • -
e'
' peculiar mode of Sabbatical o ..ereanees in , 3. rot
, e tallow, , eman says about Maryleboae borough 1
ttege, th, Hun, enandler I w• 11 That ho- 1 (Cheers.) The proceedings of those who once set that ma-
keTh ' did not he-
is, arohr IhrOtlet: by some
dwell. tin.
now re
re_
ehinery in action was moot unjustifiable. eO3
ns who did
Priolle?, w repilea,re 8,45,' by the aid of that Ft3ill chanceowye
hen d 1 e r whom
and
this
nen:Pall supn'..-". laugh)-although Ihe is his '
, riot choose to subscribe to their_ pee 1
o 0 etion e roller._ (geth, ~ , - dare say last' he had
ihe could prove to the House. During thesession b
re ye
~
.ou the circumstances, 'tea laughter.) I have no re-
f,lt it his duty to call the attention of the House to the su - Prse wire man except that I believe I ern- .L•
of .1 ,
ex,„,ton in this • oPeaking generally, I can recall no ex- J
ect rai wae communication an Sundays, and he had made
e
near Phrases address-
a motion respecting lines of railway not running trains on
I cannot of. •answer for the
h. opinioes e-which i 3 not in , _
teourne,
ht theh.
that day. At that time the same active machniery was at
pies the
a.io, I have
ohiimse.
_perfec
ludnisr.w i h
.p,„
work, and be had received several letters. on the subject, the
lishl.t,ion t4l,'e'n.nate of
parlianidenhtere.
finality
sehannTlttaetin,g eteieler
tenor of which provei to him the mischief that was pro-
l'ittlihe frieron by e the Noble LordareLor Russelal) Na‘tast his 1 duced by such agency. A short extract. from one. of' these. he
niehneentah'. s I repeat, I was opposed .to that system of would read to the House, merely as an instance of the vicious
seadtsoe th3er settlement, motives and feelings which actuated men w.lin resorted to
, because it was o oeed to the in- ' ineecon fa
in Party with
those means for influencing or coercing the °pinups and col!,
which I was conPrPiected and not '
'The h°t fern?' mind to the true interests of the county }•. e I duct of other men. and of the spirit that prevailed on this
ees °Pinioh er notice those ludicrous •' - .n. question. The Hon. Member then read the following extract
earo s I upheld • mierepreeentati ms. .
're it to in,h , In my youth I now maintain, and will from the et er .- 1 t • "Although lain not personally acquainted
"e Worthen'°ld•--(C) . 1 with you, nor have ever seen you, but as I hear and read in
divided, when there appeared- I the papers about you, and see the way you want to disturb
motion 100 our peaceful land, Scotland-my conscience compels me to
Th Against. it ... .•
•.. ...
159
write you against the cursed Bill you want to pass in
The rnotio,..ilajoriy again; the -•••
59
motion,., - Parliament for compelling railways to run on Sub-
. was accord' I bath, and to carry second and third•class passer'.
ing
,e lost.
kr. A 3to JAL e ger& 1 will demand of you, and answer me
asphn NaTE-h•
then AND FOREIGN COFFEE. in Scripture doctrine (if you are able), are you
and so led to in • moved that a Select Committee be I
really thinking that you are greater than your Maker, who
41.4. reign hacrtre into the declining state of the colonial 1
the whole universe? Are you making a law of your
!honie; and whet coffee, and of the public revenue thence 1 madeset the hol • law of Enod at detiatice? Do you want to
the i s practise nether such decline is attributable to any ' own to
day
tit, 'peat /near"' ,bY the sellers ofcoffee,d as to rob us of the which
holy
God gave us to rest upon and to
'ef ceee '8 °I preventi , or others, an keepworship that •
holy ? D , you want to rob God of the
°elle whi h eee entered f no such frauds. In 1846 the quan- due to Him on that day ? Do you want us to become agents
"'32oe • the dut • or foreign export was 51,813,65i1b5., for the devil because you are one? Do you think that
ths •506 ins 3 was 786,654/. In 1819 the quantity was ni .(latietif •, uPon which rho you are a geld
yourseit ? Do you think that you will rule
ale • Y entered f u, duty was 643,218/. In 1846 yover us like the-Pope of Rome? Do you want to turn the
nhs, in B4n . or home consumption was 36,793,0611b5. kingdomf Gel into a kingdom of devils' It to me
Of "le °Win, "1! had sunk to 84 434 0941b5• During the °• • •
and
aanal ten • neriod there was decrease''in • - • that you think all these. 0, may open your• eyes
rnele, ee, while there ws a the consumption let you see your error, and make you wise (for indeed you
eehalel ei as an increase of' the fictitious d. n't appear to be wise enough when you take anything to
:erred
the
eLACKALL seconded the '0 He do with the law of God). Don't you hear God. crying them
haliehiathientffee planters of Ceylon, whonldnetsiir motion,
that
nrepdries: Heaven to you, saying ,O, do not this abominable
rthital
The"nir3? shouldlllY
,should be levied n chicor but tVatosorne which I hate?_ Now,
,whatvirosiattliinis abominableiasial%
_ ot
D you n'
thinkt'a
eats. rntias,_ealere place into the sudden depression in coffee. .God says here? ItisNOU
nee ta us e`h-e,, S ohe 25.000 to 30 000 acres of land, with a you are able to contend with Gof? You. want to force
eaooo/ I,zen,oo, /. embarked 'andt Y t t deprove people from God to serve sa an. ou wan o. eeeni 0• or 400•0Z0/and , a 3
.outlay f
•early o
- them of their resting day, Art thou more just than God
ini n the „him Of'' were, therefore, entitled to be
fee he Clikein i 'et• You are crucifying the Saviour a second time. You want
,et E., v
an.. ELLOR of the You
need go no to rob him of his glory}. Have you never read the
it
un..".. the Hon Gentleman's bcok of the law °flied? Knowest thou not that God worked
Isere cneae., e Committee own statements to show
six days himself, andrested on the seventh day. and he corn-
here aamifteh...,walint would be. When the facts
(lie reuggested: it •were they to inquire about? Remedies d 1 his creatures to do the same? not man aline he
man
e(
d d but also the beasts of the field that work
ill
aet..) ne
wonldl‘ita.:t ett(rnitted they were
_applicable.- fcoorintri.oe n
man. thus,He saw that they would need a day of rest,
Into tnrlner occasion. lit into the arguments he had used
and the
gave them a seventh portion of time to rest from all
bekr_ne manner in which the rtottseu an excise inquisition
their earthly labours; and he said unto them, 'Remember
Th ,a month was over have the l'as carried on, he would
the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' It is a day made for man'
to the irninution which had been refersvole country in a flame. • •
hat lntleortatiof foreigned to was attributable it is aday or f the worshipping of God particularly ; all
at at tuts on
Pro tuts period of the session the ' n conclusion he said
prove to a e Inquiry the Sabbath command was given to the children of Israel,
Air „s e a most. bootlegs one.- (Hear • proposed would
Co • ttt• GIBSON agreed it would b .'
, they were bound to keep it under penalty of death. Your
Ivirnmittee •doings vex my soul greatly, for I entirel3- disapprove of youri
but -‘,
had been e use•ess to appoint a .
the he
_ha a reinedh._ stuggested in a petition Bill. If you would send a 8.111 before Parliament to stop al
44e duty ovn'e,sen.ted, which was, that tater ehould equal 8- railways running on Sunday :n Great Britain, then I would
Preteuti„ foreign and colonial coffee.
e. Coloniel coffee ban' ! not only be pleased with you, but would pray God for a bless-
,et the Cg, (nay of 50 per cent., and it kept out of the' i
mar_ i rug on your head • but since you have actedquite the reverse,
"or t 'gn. flew) ff and chicory was ti .1 • '- • - '• ' spiritual
lti il. CWI,, ane flavoured co ee,
they le eel with the lin try to establish a carnal law against the law
(lie ie.prinhoeee Ceylon, They declared.
of h
_n., a _ confidences tat. God, my prayer will be for a curse on your head as
movie sold, the re 9. free trade.-(Cries OL,.011."; (wive long as you centinue in your evil practices, and on every
oat Lat ritieh farmer the benefit of buying his coffee one else that is of the same mind as yourself." That
(sSie n.ueilingithurdened with'protection. I letter was °nil, a sampleof the man • of the same
. . )
eoatiel YE L •of chicory._ I kind which 1• d
It eater.) it re said he was a grower had come to him during the year. [The
i reading brietai3hen was considered a profitable crop.-(Laughter.) guofithe
ter. Passage paesage was received with much laugh.
n,,,gieh i,"haolttreat amount of labour, for the purpose ef : ing the IZ,lliZtra.liudee to this letter for the purpose of warn-
ennnie ti„,,"S ‘ he market in a proper state.-(Hear.) Up 1
voting fur the ord and his supporters in these opinioes, that
put a ani7.n! a Chancellor of the Exchequer bad refused to
peculiar doctrine of
and practical enforcement of this
ihhed to ,';'. i t ,"eF: ),_ ne 1., It was used with coffee, as it was sup- 1 sible good, and wouldef Sabbatical observance could do no pos-
taantad snood the Mocha flavour.-(Laughter ) He repeated 1 hear)-and
toaltowonly end in a violent re-action-(Hear
io.ittatter , byin. Then as to the price, it was ,r 1 iinpor- dangerous question vrh° puhlic men who entered upon this
..Prised u„...1_11 toe consideration of this subject. As to being !
1 whom this agitation wasetca"nt of persons they were by
e oof ; nenn'Sns the agriculturists suffered in the pu chase of ;
1 to move WAS as follows: -hriiied on.. The resolution he had
a"sen_e i.t but
flour as the use of chicory was concerned, the ledges with satisfaction the i, whilst thin House acknow-
nh.2 rifll attic] fund beneficial to the poor, who got thereby ' s dov labour effected by the diminution in the amount of
ahreenos
eh e than they otherw- 11 bt • I?' .s .
„tin .„ _ , recent arrangements in the
b a
t, teat i the Euhe Ise eon k!) ante • eon 1 ost-effice, it cannot
.ut
.e sensible of the put'. ' •
PPosite interest would cbleneje became an agriculturist him- 1 vecience which has amen from the total cessation le
oitren-
Alr, ANe„, better protected upon the benches delivery or collection of letters on Sundays The ° IEY • , and thatany
e lieus replied. humble address be therefore presented to he DI • an
For n, e then divided I r
an
Y, pray
ing that she will be graciously pleased to cause an inqiiirito
Age' e motion , ev len there appeared-
met it •. „., h be made, whether the amount of Sunday labour might not
... ~. 60 be reduced without c moletely putting an emit to the collee-
su,„ Majori.t.y. "• ••• n. ... 206
lion and delivery of letters, fee., on Sundays; and that, pend-
ohnnliAle jtp r,,,, ••• ... „„
~,___l4s •
mg such inquirs,
• •- - her Mejesty will be graciously pleased to
kin titular reemeheisten.
e ATIONS IN THE POST-OFFICE, live orders that the collection and delivery of letter,, sin,,
resolute turn of 134 'IP te the gallery •televen ' ' f.Sundays, shall be continued as heretofore." In the first
teanienon of. Ihh. r• Locke had-1 was. o clock, on
the
ing
of v ieli he had • ' arrived to bring forward the place he would say that.h her Majesty's Government had not
endelatnernae recent eehoinf4" en. "two, for the virtual re- received that credit for reducing the . amount of labour in
justly entitled the
i„
~r. e 0 a are Sunday_ s
.etotns in the Post-office regarding Post- efiice on Sundays to which they wereJ -
ti'latthe ini,Taits, 1 )4Achall4r‘s and newspapers, ( Hear, hear.) The Noble Member for 13' ath had ;d-
-al:IL the lieu: noise and • was upon his lege, speaking ntitted, indeed, that great efforts had
.been I made, and
nr, "Oar._ ,„ e would
__. r union, and exprtssing the hope great good had been etlected by those exertions, b the flt
ul' d d e
, mg it
„f
eke°
arm.) nentp oeeed with the motion at so I. t t d•th t the a e 'legate amount of good they .a ony
'Go on ~,"'rare fef rue Hon. Move had • ae s rot% 3 a en, , ,
naieh , " Ne, n ,er ten or eleven r said he would not had not been preperly or sufficiently )laced before the public
t_o• several Hem°' and
o'clock.-(nOe oh •" who seould become better acquainted with the great I t -educ-
eld not obi. unn.., great confusion, • t ' • 1
an a,. ,‘, he n! °era tried to
not bell LAGLis "
s_.ing.) address the House, but Post-oflice labour. The lion. Member here quoted extracts
Ii ad on the 'ln that a full
t. • in order to show the
• from the report of Mr. Rowland Hill,
o'clock
aver had saalton at that ;wt.] fair discussion could great extent of the reduction of labour in the in nay-order
4„,_n_t_nighf,_(,.(loe(Wouhl hoLtl°ls.lr. of the night. The department of the Post dike. On this point Mr. Hill said
"4'l Henenrable Go
g') on ." Jing it on after elevcn -" St ill I watt of (pillion that with whatever inconvenience
er
a then
' • ) • • the improvements might be attended, they would be ac-
Preiented petitions for cepted by the public if accompanied by auothez measure