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London, England, 1844-02-23 00:00:00

STATE OF IRELAND.

GREAT PUBLIC MEETING AT GLASGOW.
(From a Third Edition of the Glasgow Argus.)
On Monday, at one o'clock, a public meeting of the inha-
bitants of this city was held in the Trades' Hall, for the pur-
pose of considering the present alarming condition of Ireland,
and addressing the Crown and both Houses of Parliament to
redress the grievances under which that country has so long
laboured. The attendance on this occasion afforded a strik-
ing proof of the interest taken by the most respectable portion
of the citizens of Glasgow in the present position of the sister
country, and the conviction which they entertain of the ne-
cessity of a speedy and effective removal of her grievances. The
Hall was crowded in every part by a most influential assem-
bly ; aid the most perfect spirit of unanimityas to the objects of
the meeting pervaded all present. The cheering-with which
the resolutions were received which bore upon the monster
evil, the Established Church of Ireland, most significantly
demonstrated the state of public feeling in this city on that
part of the question. It was made evident that nothing
short of the overthrow of the Irish Establishment can be satis-
factory to the people of Glasgow ; while it was with equal
clearness shown, that the stoutest resistance will be given to
any measure for endowing the Catholic priesthood of that
country. On these points the feeling of the meeting was ex-
pressed with peculiar warmth and vehemence.
On the platform we observed the Lord Provost, James
Oswald, Esq., M.P. ; Dr. William Thomson, Professor of
Medicine in the University of Glasgow ; Rev. Dr. King ;
Bailies Hamilton, Anderson, and Whitehead; Bailie Bunten,
of Gorbals ; Councillors Cross, Bryson, Turner, Brodie, Allan,
George Anderson, Wilson, M`Phail, Andrew Orr, David Bell,
&c. ; W. Buchanan, Esq. ; A. Graham, Esq. ; John Tennant,
Esq. ; C. J. Tennant, Esq. ; George Crawfurd, Esq. ; R. Bar-
tholomew, Esq. ; S. Higginbotham, Esq. ; A. Bannatyne,
Esq. ; John Fleming, Esq. ; William Gray, Esq. ; Charles
Gray, Esq. ; D. Chapman, Esq.,; J. A. Fullarton, Esq. ; John
Loudon, Esq. ; William Watson, Esq. ; James M‘Clelland,
Esq. ; C. R. Baird, Esq., &c.
On the motion of JAME., OSWALD, Esq., M.P., the Lord
Provost was, amid loud cheering, called to the chair.
The following are the principal resolutions, which were
unanimously adopted :
" 1. That the present social condition of Ireland, the re-
sult of a long course of oppression and misrule, is calculated
to excite the utmost alarm, exhibiting a non-resident gentry
—uneducated and discontented -pauper population—invete-
rate religious animosity—insecurity both of person and pro-
perty—contempt for existing laws end institutions—aid a
growing hatred of all connection with Great Britain.
" 2. That these symptoms of a state of society on the very
verge of anarchy and civil war, impose on the people of this
country the duty of decidedly informing the Legislature and
the Government that the causes which have produced such
unhappy consequences in the sister kingdom must be at once
removed, and that the social as well as legislative union of
the empire must be rendered complete.
"3. That this meeting observe with regret, that in the
recent Speech from the Throne the allusion to the remedies
contemplated does not indicate, on the part of her Majesty's
present Administration, an intention to urge the adoption of
those large measures of reform and complete change of the
system of administration, which the present emergency im-
peratively requires.
"4. That a perfect uniformity of political and municipal
rights—a like enjoyment of religious, as well as civil liberty
—an equal participation in all the benefits of a just, impar-
tial, and firm system of government, are what Ireland is en-
titled to demand, if she is to remain an integral part of the
British empire.
"5. That one of the principal grievances of which Ire-
land has to complain is the Established Church, which is not
only exclusive and intolerant in its spirit and character,
but is opposed to the conviction of the great body of the
people—is used as the tool of a political faction, and is sub-
versive of general tranquillity—that such an Establishment
does not admit of being amended, and must, to attain the
pacification of Ireland, be wholly abolished, and that this
meeting most seriously deprecate the substitution of any
other church establishment in Ireland, whether Protestant
or Catholic, as a measure necessarily fraught with calamitous
consequences.
"6. That an Address to the Crown and petitions to both
Houses of Parliament be adopted."

BIOGRAPHY OP O'CONNELL, GRATIB.—The Fourth
Supplement, gratis, with the Weekly Dispatch, and of the
full size of that journal, will be published on Sunday next,
Feb. 25, containing the Biography of Mr. O'Connell, written
by a gentleman intimately acquainted with, and, conse-
quently, one who has treasured up many reminiscences con-
nected with the great Agitator. " The proprietors of this
popular and widely circulated journal intend, it will be seen,
to present their readers with two additional supplements,
making four relative to the State Trials—the most compre-
hensive history of that memorable investigation which has
appeared."—Liverpool Chronicle. Orders for the Dispatch re-
ceived by every_ Newsvender and Bookseller in the kingdom ;
and by Mr. Wood, at the office, 139, Fleet-street, " The
Proprietors of this popular and widely
-circulated journalin-
tend, it will be seen, toesent their readers with two addi-
tional Supplements, making Your relative to the State Trials
—the most comprehensive history of that memorable inves •
tigation which has appeared."—Liverpool Chronicle.
SHIP RUN DOWN.—FIVE LIVES LORT.-011 Thurs-
day last, the barque St. Virginia, Captain Jansen, belonging
to Bremen, ran down the French barque La Seine, Captain
Grimard, a few leagues off the Start Point. The collision
took place about half-past ten o'clock, when the night Was
excessive dark, and the wind blowing strongly from the
Westward. A light was observed in the rigging of the La
Seine for about an hour afterwards, when it suddenly dis-
appeared. No doubt is entertained but that she went down
at the time, being heavily laden with the machinery of a new
steam-packet of 250 horse power. When the collision hap-
pened, five of the erew succeeded in getting on board the St.
Virginia, whereby their lives were caved ; but unfortunately
the others, five in number, perished with their vessel. The
names of the men saved are Le Roy, second master; Jean
Regard, mate ; Francis Barran, seaman ; Joseph Mahomet,
a man of colour, cook; and. Edward Banmy, cabin boy. The
La Seine was 160 tons regksfer, and at the time of the fatal
catastrophe was on her voyage from Havre-de-Grace for
Bordeaux ; between which ports she was a regular trader.
She was partially insured. The machinery "was, we under-
stand, uninsured. The St. Virginia, which ran her down,
put into Plymouth next day (Friday) with loss of jibboom
and cutwater carried away. She is receiving the necessary
repairs, and when completed, will proceed for St. Übes, her
destined port. It is reported that the fatal collision was
purely accidental.
NERVOUS DEAFNESS.---" ARNICA MONTARA."—A
paper of considerable importance to sufferers from nervous deaf-
ness was read on Saturday afternoon, by Dr. Cronin, Craven-
street, Strand (physician to the Free Dispensary for Asthma),
on the efficacy of " arnica montane " in the cure of
this distressing affection. The lecturer observed that deaf-
ness was more prevalent than was generally imagined—that
there was a marked difference between nervous derangement
and structural changes, and that he believed the frequent
failure of aurists in the cure of deafness arose from a total
inattention to the difference between disorders arising from
either mere torpor or increased irritability, and those to
which wore superadded structural alterations. He next
called attention to the natural history, chemical constitution,
and medical properties of the arnica, observing that, having
found it highly beneficial iii several distressing nervous af-
fections, he tried it in nervous dedneaa, and had much plea-
sure in alluding to the oases of several highly respectable per-
sons completely relieved by its use. Dr. Cronin then com-
mented on the mutilation practised by some aurists re-
moving the uvula and glands of the throat, and remarked
that operations of this kind tended, from the shock produced
' on the nervous sytem, -to increase, rather than diminish, the
' disease, And concluded some highly-interesting observations,
by stating that the College of Physicians omitted in their likst
" Pharmacopceia" this valuable remedy, but hoped it would
L be restored in their next.—Standard. 1 n abstract of the
% *dun win glortly be ?übiiAcci Ur, Grouiu.

MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.
Messengers from the Commons brought up the Metro-
polis Improvements Bill, which, on the motion of the
Duke of BUCCLEUCH, was read a first time.

OFFENCES AT SEA BILL.
The Offences at Sea Bill was read a third time.
DEANERY OF DROMORE.
Lord MONTEAGLE, in rising to move for certain
papers respecting the recent appointment to the Deanery
of Dromore, woud remind their Lordships of a disaus-

sion which had taken place last session respecting the
Archdeaconry of Armagh. On that occasion it ap-
peared to him that the appointment to that Arch-
deaconry had been the act of the:Home Government, but
he thought with regard to the appointment to which he
was about to direct their Lordships' attention, he should be
able to prove that the Irish Government was responsible.
In the former session it had not been denied that the
recommendation of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners for
the severance of the two parishes constituting the Arch-
deaconry of Armagh had been disregarded, and the
only ground assigned for departing from that recom-
mendation was the excellent private character of the
individual appointed. It should be recollected that the
avoidance of that deanery had been the act of the Go-
vernment itself, which had preferred the then Arch-
deacon to a bishopric. The emoluments of the Arch-
deaconry amounted to 1,000/. a year, and there were
upwards of 3,000 Protestants in each of the two parishes
of which it was composed, and there was no resident
incumbent. With regard to the Deanery of Dromore,
the Rev. Holt Waring had been recently appointed to
that deanery. The Noble Lord had stated that that
was an appointment without any emolument ; but he
thought the Noble Lord must be mistaken. The
deanery consisted of two parishes, 15 miles by nine in
extent, and containing a large population of Protestant&
The tithes at the time of the Ecclesiastical inquiry,
after paying all expenses, left a clear profit for the Dean of
Dromore of 250/. Therefore, he thought that the Noble
Lord must have been misinformed when he stated that the
office of the Dean of Dromore was one without emolument.

He had, at least, prima facia grounds for believing that
the deanery was not now without emoluments attached
to it. With respect to the propriety of the selection.
he would appeal to the authority of the Government
itself. He then quoted the letter written by Sir
Robert Peel, in September, 1841, to the Lord-Lieute-
nant of Ireland, stating that in his distribution of the
Church patronage in Ireland he was to be guided by the
merits, worth, and professional abilities of the candi-
dates. This letter transferred all the responsibility of such
appointments from the Government in Downing-street to
the Irish Government. Then, who was the gentleman
selected to fill this appointment—to a dignity which was
next to that of a bishop ? lie would quote to their
Lordships extracts of evidence which was given before
their Lordships in 1825. In that year, at the suggestion
of Lord Liverpool and the Marquis of Wellesley, one of
the most serious inquiries that was ever undertaken with

respect to Ireland was commenced. In the evidence of
one individual, taken before that Committee, there was
a recommendation to their Lordships to repeal the Act
of 1793, and to take the franchise from the Roman
Catholics. He said that this might conduce towards the
tranquillity of the country, as it would give confidence
and satisfaction to the Protestants of Ireland. He said
it would make the Protestants better, and the Catholics
no worse.—(Hear, hear.) The next question put to him
was, on what grounds he considered the Roman Catholics
were always tbund in opposition to the Government ?
His answer was, their almost universally being bound
by oaths of a treasonable nature, and their having
been convicted of acting up to those oaths in many
instances in which they had been tried ? And who
was the individual who gave this evidence? Why,
the Rev. Holt Waring, whom the Government had
themselves selected to be appointed to the Deanery of
Dromore. In the Orange documents, presented to the
Committees of 1833 and 1834, the Rev. Mr. Holt
Waring was again found, under the name of Grand
Chaplain to the Orange Society, the Orange lodge hay-
ing been dissolved. At the present moment, he under-
stood there were attempts making in the north of Ire-
land to reconstruct the Orange lodges. He, therefore,
wished to know whether the appointment was
one without emoluments, and on what grounds
the Government had made the appointment? If
men of ' that description were made the objects of
the distribution of Church patronage in Ireland, were
not the principles of Sir R. Peel's letter entirely ?de-
parted from? He concluded by moving for copies of
the orders for appointing the present Dean of Dromore,
a return of the parishes constituting the deanery, and a
copy of any order subsequently issued affecting the re-
venues of the deanery, and showing the exact amount of
them at that moment.
The Earl of RIPON said he should not oppose the
motion of the Noble Lord; but he was mistaken with
respect to one or two material facts on which he had
relied. By the Act of 1834, a power was given to the
Church Commissioners to suspend appointments to
deaneries, but by a subsequent Act those suspensions
could be removed by the sanction of the Lord-Lieu-
tenant in council only, on condition, however, that all
the revenues should be severed from them. The Deanery
of Dromore was so suspended, and the suspension was,
according to the Act, subsequently removed, but
the revenues were severed from it, and dis-
tributed among the six vicarages forming the deanery.
The Noble Lord read extracts from the speech of Mr.
Holt Waring before a Committe, given in 1825, nine-
teen years ago. His Noble Friend had an accurate
memory, and seemed to have a scrutinising eye. Re
(Earl of Ripon) bad not the slightest remembrance of such
evidence having been given ; and even though those
opinions had been given in a very solemn manner, they
should not be scrutinised with too much minuteness. It
was not many who could stand the test of such minute
consistency. He thought it was rather ungenerous to re-
vive those forgotten transactions, in order to bring a
deserving individual into odium. Allusion had been
made to Parliamentary interest having been sed in the
appointment, but the fact was, Parliamentary interest
had nothing to do with it. What it was that induced
the Lord-Lieutenant to make the appointment was the
fact that a memorial had been presented from several
most influential individuals to the Lords Justices in
favour of Mr. Waring. This gentleman was recom•
mended to fill the deanery because he was theoldest
beneficed clergyman in the diocese. The Bishop at once
confirmed this appointment. He thought that some ob•
servations which had been made regarding the character
of Mr. Waring, were not just or well founded.
The Duke of WELLINGTON—Besides, he resided in
the neighbourhood.
Earl of RIPON—Yes, that is so. Very few could be
found to fill the deanery. If he were not misformed
the Lord-Lieutenant who preceded his Noble Relative
had offered the appointment to a clergyman, who de-
clined it on the ground of its being so profitless. He
readilly admitted that the conduct of this gentleman had
at one time been evidently enthusiastic and full of pro•
judice, but when the resolution of the House of Cora.,
mons regarding the Orange lodges had been roade
known to the country, he exerted his influence to the
utmost to bring the members of the Orange body into
compliance with the law. - -
The Marquis of NORMANBY said, that althoughthe
profits of the deanery were not very great, the labours
were exceedingly trifling. In fact, it was almost a
sinecure. The Noble Earl spoke of persons changing
their opinions in the course of nineteen years.--
(Hear, hear.) Some did and some did not change
them. He had stated a very strong objection to
the appointment of Mr. Holt Waring a few nights ago—
that objection he repeated. Mr. Waring had attended
a public meeting, at the head of a large body of men.
The object of that meeting was not as stated by his Noble
Friend, to preserve the union, but, by a demonstration of
physical force, to overawe the Executive Government
of the country. It was but one of the many clerical at.
pointments made by the present Government since_theur
return to office which had given grave and just offence
to the
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beengiven to none
but the most violent partisans.—(lronical cries of "Hear.
Ccahtwbroclhichcadommuni y. The dig.. t
bestowed in that manner, it was
hear," from the Ministerial benches.) While all the
Church patronage was
impossible to make the Roman Catholic population b4l•

lieve that the. Government were sincere in the profes-
sions of impartiality which they had made. The Noble
Earl (Roden) who had been Grand Master of the
Orange lodges, and whose conduct had been precisely
similar to that of Mr. Holt Waring, had not been ap-
pointed to the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland, yet there
would have been the same consistency in such an ap-
pointment as that of Mr. Holt Waring to the deanery of
Dromore.

Lord WHARNCLIFFE--It would have been better if
the Noble Lord had refrained from raking up matters
which had occurred 20 or 25 years ago. He thought that,
especially at the present time, it was better .to forget
these things. Mr. Holt Waring had submitted respect-
fully to the resolution of the House of Commons,- and
had acted in the spirit of that resolution. With re-
spect to the charges made against the present Govern-
ment, regarding Church appointments in Ireland, they
had not made oue they were ashamed of, or which they
were not prepared to justify.
Lord CAMPBELL observed that the Noble Earl had
stated that Mr. Holt Waring was appointed at a time
when there was no agitation in Ireland.
Earl of RIPON—I did not say so.
Lord CAMPBELL—You said, when there was little
agitation in Ireland.
Earl of RIPON—What I said was _ _

Lord CAMPBELL—I beg the Noble Earl's pardon ;
he certainly did say thP:t the appointment had been
made at a time when there was little agitation. However,
I shall be very harpy to hear the Noble Earl's expla-
nation.

Earl of RlPt;_)N—Oh, no ! The Noble Lord may say
what he I;:itoes—l will not interrupt him.
Lord CAMPBELL was sorry if he had misunderstood
the EarL The Noble Lord had attempted to
doferVi the Irish Church appointments, but the fact was,
thOP.e appointments had been very much calculated to
50: ve offence to the Roman Catholic population of Ireland.
'The policy of the Government, and the manner in which
it exercised its patronage, had been one of the causes of
the present lamentable agitation and excitement in Ire-
land.—(Laughter from the Ministerial benches.') Mr.
Holt "Waring, since the year 1825, had expressed senti-
ments against the Roman Catholics as a body of a
most offensive character. He (Lord Campbell) did not
deny that in 1836 he had done his best to discourage
the Orange lodges. So far so well ; but that did not
give any ground for supposing that he had changed his
opinions with regard to the Catholics—that he respected
their rights more than he had previously done—or that
he was willing to live in peace and kindness with them.
There was no evidence that his opinions or his views had
been altered ; and he (Lord Campbell) still thought his
appointment highly censurable, and that the public was
under obligation to his Noble Friend behind him for
bringing the matter under the attention of the House.
The Duke of WELLLINGTON would just recal to
the Hon. and Learned Lord's recollection that which
had been stated by a friend of his, but which the Noble
and Learned Lord seemed wholly to have forgotten.
And that was, that this gentleman was recommended
for appointment to the office he now held. The chap-
ter of Dromore had petitioned for an extension to their
body, and the Lords Justices, in compliance with that
petition, had given them the advantage of a dean to their
body. There had been a petition for this addition to
that clerical body, and that clerical body itself had re-
commended Mr. Holt Waring, and solicited his nomina-
tion to it. This had all been left out of the case. So
necessary was it to run down the Reverend Gentleman
for what he had said nineteen years ago, that those lit-
tle but essential facts were entirely left out of their con-
sideration by the Noble Lords opposite.
The Marquis of WESTNIEATH said, it was the ob-
ject of the Noble Lords opposite to get up, if they could,
a complication of grievances in Ireland, in order to party
effect out of doors. In this instance he was far from
being astonished at what had taken place, seeing from
what quarter the proceedings had come. But he begged
to tell the Noble Lords opposite, that these things were
most injurious to the peace of fire-sides in Ireland. It
was most injurious to the peace and safety
of families, that' all these appointments of the
Government should be held up in this invidious
manner. What could be more unfair than to
allude to what had taken place four years before Catholic
emancipation, for the purpose of calling down public
odium upon an individual ? Nothing but the most un-
handsome feeling could have suggested to take up what
had been said previous to the passing of that measure.
When that Bill passed into a law they had entered upon
a new era, and from that era Noble Lords ought
rather to judge the acts of individuals than before it.
The Noble and Learned Lord Campbell had said that
the appointment of Mr. Holt Waring had been con-
sidered by the Roman Catholics as an insult, and that
it had been a great cause in the promotion of the cry
for repeal. Now he (Lord Westmeath) had read every
word that had been published in the newspapers con.
cerning the proceedings of the Repeal Association, and
he declared he had never seen the Rev. Dean's name
ever mentioned in them. But in what position did the
Noble Lord (Monteagle) stand, who was then so ready
to attack others ? What was his position, he asked, in
respect of the public purse ? Who was there that could
not remember that some time ago there was an old man,
who held a patent office, with a salary of 2,000 L a
year, and that, old as he was, the Noble Lord was
afraid he would outlive the tottering Administra-
tion with which the Noble Lord was so long
connected ? What happened then ? This old
gentleman was pensioned off, in order that that
Noble Lord might succeed to that patent office before
that miserable Government was driven from power.
Those were facts ; and he could not help telling the
Noble Lord that, in his opinion, the two words, " Holt
Waring," looked as well attached to this underhand
deanery, as ever did those of " Spring Rice" to a pen-
sioned peerage.—(At the conclusion of these words there
were cries of " Order, order ;" and the Duke of Rich-
mond was seen to go round to the bench were the Earl
of Westmeath sat, and to enter into conversation with
that Noble Lord.)
Lord MONTEAGLE said he should not say one
word on the taste which had been displayed by the
Noble Earl who had last spoken, nor make any personal
observation in reply to him. He should merely say that
he treated with the most utter unconcern—not to use
any harsher or less Parliamentary term—what had been
uttered by that Noble Lord against himself. He should
not have brought forward his present motion if he had
not thought it his duty to do so. Before giving notice
of it he had carefully looked over the rules laid down by
Sir Robert Peel himself, to regulate his conductwith re-
gard to Church appointments, and he had compared the
principle therein enunciated with the appointment of
this Reverend Gentleman. The principle and the conduct
were so incongruous that he considered it his duty to
notice the matter. And in doing so, his object had not
been to say anything adverse to that Reverend Gentle-
man, but to get a justification from the Government for
their conduct. Ile, for one, did not regret having made
the motion. _ _ .

The Duke of RICHMOND said he did not rise to
speak on the subject, but to offer a suggestion on an
expression or two which in the heat of debate had un-
fortunately fallen from a Noble Marquis on his right.
From that Noble Marquis expressions had fallen in
the hetit of debate which certainly partook of a per-
sonal character, and which all must regret the use
of.—(Hear, hear.) Latterly some occurrences of a
similar nature had taken place in that House, which he
was greatly afraid would give reason to the public to say
that there was not the dignity and decorum which ought
ever to characterise their Lordships' proceedings.—
(Hear, hear.) He asked how could the country look
up to them with respect if they did not try to keep
their tempers, and to carry on their proceedings with
mutual forbearance and decorum?—(Hear, hear.) He
really should recommend the Noble Earl to say, that in
the heat of debate he had used remarks of a personal
nature, which he regretted to have done.—(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said, that having
been called upon by the Noble Duke (Richmond) in the
handsome way which he had been, he begged to say he
had no desire to show any disorderly feeling in the con-
duct of the business of that House. He certainly did
feel very much as to the mischief caused in Ireland to
the peace and safety of families by the constant discus-
sions on the subjects brought under their notice by Noble
Lords opposite. Following, however, the advice so kindly
tendered to him by the Noble Duke (Richmond), he had
no objection to state his regret, that, in speaking on the
matter before the House, he had exceeded the bounds of
fair discussion, and that what had fallen from him he re-
gretted.
The motion was then withdrawn by leave, and the
House adjourned.