The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-15 00:00:00

on whom else could they put it ? No substitute for the
ministers' money bad ever been proposed by anybody,
though the question bad been discussed year after year:
His Honourable Colleague and himself, in Committee, had
agreed to exempt small tenements from the impost ;
but
as to the removal of the tax, there havin Leon no savg
stitute named, be was confident that no man with
sense of justice would do this. A Right Rev. Prelate ha
regretted that there shOuld be another Parliamentary.
confederacy on foot against the Church of Ireland, ana
observed that they who knew the effect of the sad tithe
war of 1832 should be cautious how they proceeded in
such a course. The ministers' money was forprovided
in the Church Temporalities Act, when Mr. O'Connell
was in the House. Ho was willing to remove anY In
convenience in the mode of collecting for small tent
ments, but ho hoped that the House would not assent o
the views of any Hon. Gentleman who sought to deprive
these reverend gentlemen of their vested rights. he
Mr. KEOGH said it occurred to him that though
Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had jot sat down,
and those who acted with him, declared their aexietY,„te
remove an inconvenience, still these was always ah
special objection made—this Ness not the modo in ViUlbeis
it ought to be done, cr no substitute was supplied for ts
tax. He thought that everybody must agree that it w 4:.:
incumbent on the Government, when a grievanoah7
admitted, where Protestants as well as Roman C4t
lies were aggrieved, to find a substitute. It conld
nr
rest with an independent Member to do this. Put theme
was something suspicious as to the willingness of 50 rd
gentlemen to remove this odious tax, because he boat
the Hon. and Leareel Gentleman confound the rein°
toe
of the ministers' money with an anti-tithe war. If tie
Hon. end Learned Gentleman :was anxious to rem
°O/
the burden, why should he deprecate the agitation
the subject? This evil was complained of, not by 11°°30
Catholics, but by Protestants also. Every elergYTs
gave his testimony in favour of the removal of the;
post. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said tha"ili en-a
the origin of the tax, the owners of house propextY w-60
all Protestants. Perhaps he would say they -were
now. He did trust that the House would enforce or°
the Government the necessity of removing this inil)°,s„tl.o
Mr. COWAN was glad to hear the obnoxious TA"' t;
of the tax was admit•ed by her Majesty's GOTerlllrlePch
and he was much disappointed, after the expectationsWilide
had been held out, that so little progress bad been feasra
in respect to the carrying out this question. Tw° to
ago a commission had been appointed to proceed b.
Edinburgh to inquire into the annuity tax of Edinburgh.
A. report bad bean given in about a year ago, °lead d
had frequently put questions to the Noble ra
on the subject, but had never obtained a anitis'`ll3--
tory reply. If that House wished to secure thy cat;
Hence and respect of the people of Scotland, ti."4l
should proceed to inquire into the circumstances I"re
were so grievous to the people of Edinburgh 13,;0s
ticularly. What the remedy should be he Was
prepared to say. tied
Colonel RAWDON said the Honourable and LW-a,.
Gentleman the Member for Dublin University bad,
tied the House to the realms of antiquity to prove' bid
this ettx had originates. But he begged to ask wha'ls-to
the tax now? The House would show it was dee.
ot
the claims of justice if it remained deaf to this Ile
jet demand for the abolition of this. odious impost. s,
could not refrain from cluing on this occasion as h°
,li..
done on former occasions—namely, voting for the so°
tion of this tax. ad
The gallery was then cleared for a division, !li
the House divided on the previous question, 46 ThaVl
question be now put." The numbers were—
Ayes
Noes

76
••• ••• ••• ••• ••• 96
Majority ••• ••• •••-20
ut°
Consequently the motion of Mr. Fagan was not s e n
TRANSPORTATION. Bill
Mr. ADDERLEY moved for leave to bring insSsfses
repealing part of the Act of Geo. IV. which esoPe„—se
her Majesty, with the advice of her Privy Council' the
appoitit any places in her Majesty's dominions for of
transportetlon of felons and others under sentence
punishment. What lie proposed was, in future wh,v".
it became, necessary to make any new penal settleM7..
the choice should be made, not by the Colonial Seqse
%try, but by Act f Parliament ; and this propoe'utts
had Leen suggested to his mind by , o
the tenor of
petitions which had been presented to Parliament hs
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the Cape of Good Hope. It might be said that the tsetPd
ought to he satisfied with the success which had regal
from its resistance; but it should be recollected that
soo
was not the first time that a similar attempt had kiss
made, for the colonists had Leen subjected to sittl
treatment in the times of Lord Stanley, Lord thoas,
fps
Russell, and Mr. Gladstone. But, even if the Cape °so
nists were satisfied at present, there was no security
orb
the future, either for themselres or the colonists in W
quarters of the world. Besides, the resistance of the
Cape had not btea perfectly completed, for the c010t5,..1
was still liable to the receipt of military conviets•e,
(Fleur, hear.) His object was not in any way to inter
fere with the system if transportation; on the contrary ~
he wished to remove from that system the greatest sr
struction to its successful operation—the hasty mene
in which it had been so frequently changed by Cols the
Secretarice. He did not wish by any means to cast
sos
slightest reflection on the Colonial Secretary, for It_o,"„e
not so much to !Ameba these rapid changes as the tiToo.
Secretary, who frequently, on finding an awumullt.tich
of convicts, sent orders to the Colonial Secretary 0140."
he had difficulty in complying with. Althoughta ss
Grey might be blamed in the last process, he was e:sbis.
blame under the original circumstances. In makat the
proposition he (Mr. Adderley) did not infringe it; or
thieoupowwaesr
ntohatmaptrtoeprerolyf
slightest degree on the prerogative of her gajes,d to
pheror.poseTrtaontsuPkoertat heloueeltiv.
By the 9th of ElizaLeth her Majesty we's (the
powered, with the advice of six Privy Conncillors
Lord Chancellor and the Lord Treasurer being
namei), to name the places to which rogues and.deruges;
bonds might be sent. That Act of Parliament dr_ is;
matter t
recognise the power of the Queen as ft
rogative. The 4th George I. took the o reptile
prerOg`
on.
portation entirely out of the hands of the Queetl,l_
Council, and placed it in the hands of Parliament.
19th George 111. revived the power of the QUeen.ss
Council, but in a very limited manner. The next pot
which elucidated the question was a debate which arri
when the independence of America shut
power of t
the E 006,4
field for transportation; and when a vast number
felons had accumulated in this country it became nee's;
sary to send them away. The chief place then propose.,
was Sierra Leone. Mr. Burke objected to such a P1,11,,e;
being fixed upon, stating that it was an unhealtmf,
climate, and that there was no law for transporting Ilse
pTlbacee2s4ttlol Gwehoireghe
particularl li .
Majesty's subjects, however criminal, to such a climate:
gav e tlhisetspoowf power
personso f chosohsoinugjd stmhh:',
sent, those lists being presented to her Majesty by weds;
judge. Then came the 27th George 111., and aftervre.o.
the present Transportation Act, under which the reg%at
order was made (the sth George IV., c. im
ivy
Act gave the Queen, with the advice of her -r es
Council, not only the power to name the plat
sen,
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to which particular prisoners might be
sher
but any plaee to which, at any time, any felon or -..„0t.
person under sentence of transportation might he 40
To that power—larger than any granted to the Sovert 'DB
previously—he greatly objected, and believed it (;sl
moat obnoxious to the colonies, He thought he so,
shown that there were no real reasons against the, Post
position which he now submitted to the House, and Be
sufficient reasons existed for providing a change. ogee
would appeal to the House whether these sudden elnisses
of penal stations bad not been productive of most 'tossr
trous effects ? Instead of going into a general bletseer
of such changes to prove that assertion, be would .00.
to the recent transactions at the Cape, as the best Ito.
tration of the worst feature of the change of eY„sstetO
In 1848, in consequence of the accumulation of e°' the
in England, a new system was adepted, reflect/101
highest honour on those who advised it. The Celseeee
Secretary thought of reviving transportation to sied
South Wales. Van Diemen's Land was also oPeottp.
again ; but a new place was looked for, and bse;sking
posed the Noble Lord fixed upon the Cape, tP'",stice•
that such a quiet settlement would not make any row'" but
Lord Grey sent out a communication to the Cape, eye
news having arrived that it was necessary to reed thee
certain prisoners from Bermuda, Lord Grey bed °°so hie
for reflection, and, without waiting for an answer
100
letter, ordered 300 prisoners to he sent from Oernie of
to the Cape. He thought the resistance of the Pe was
the colony redounded greatly to their honour; but strove
attended with this disastrous result—that it would Pto do
a lesson to other colonies that they had nothing
i •
but resist in the same manner to escape similar dby
(Hear, hear.) He considered the power possesse dir•
the Colonial Secretary to be the source of all theses
pa`asters, for the temptation to exercise such a powers
ore
too strong to be resisted. He considered that the inelitooto
which he now proposed would, in every way, Pfin)ortge
and put upon a better footing the system of transt.oo
ebl
tion. It would take from her Majesty a very inv./ froth
power, it would remove the Colonial Secretary that
under the power of the Home Secretary. Seel sett
every reason existed in favour of the proposio .petnone agrinst it, he thought no time ought to bse he
had
repealing that part of the sth Geo. IV., to whiatiihg for
referred. The Hon. Member concluded by to°
leave to bring in his Bill. eu 0011
The motion having been seconded, and the q
put, ber bad
Sir G. GREY said, that after the Hon. ideation, be
portv.mnber
adverted to the difficulties attending trans
did not exactly understand the course the lion. f;d see
we.
was now taking in proposing a measure which subject.
crease the embarrassment already felt on thltshotshef
As he (Sir G. Grey) understocd the proposletw
chute° °
ht at the
Hon. kember, it was simply to repeal th
transportation in the sth George IV., enacting or other
Crown may appoint a place to which felons oee
offenders may be sent. Now there were statutes ton,np
istence which prescribed the sentence of Oa _
in some instances with a certain discretion to
Dtn.uJAt the
but in other cases without that discretisoent 's
wed (0
coining assizes no doubt prisoners mustibe eGe tfeeeeri
transportation, and he would ask if the I onid
be Carrie _
had considered how these sentences couphier.
into effect if the power of the Crown to Pe"
*That Peweere
for t:leir transportation was taken asweaYlis powers etoof
had bees: exercised by the Crown under
wof the eedll 6
to the statute la -shine°
transportation was known .
secondary Punt rod
—ever since it had been the main
Gentleman
bs
adnvne tbe
ferred by act of Parliament ever since trhe Peniehaien try
for serious crimes. The Hon. hole "se " with
f power d
otic abuse o state
recent occurrences and the desp
G Grel;
Now be (Sir U. Goer
respect to that colony. that tl4° cape
to the Care, and bad rested his w
towards the close of the last session,on the
convicts el) h knew
mont never intended to force co _ seeat ,
oss,
and as soon as the ship arrived and Sir
as ordered .1/
w of We
the determination of the colonists',
situation
col
ffieiently explained nt out P. 7
military convicts was su
were not se ossd
and the convicts were not landed. The in she col
virtue of any power which the Hoe. Ai I.' It bow:
pord-q,ce bcf'ne the How ,e. The
~e_her proP
Pep"
lei
said that it was intended to make the !ow "
becatlae
to repeal, but by virtue of the Mutiny Act.i.islne e
Molly. Novi it did not. follow that