The Sun.
London, England, 1857-11-04 00:00:00

LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 4, 1857.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

BETTING AT MANCHESTER-TUESDAY.

Betting to-day was chiefly confined to the Worcester
Handicap, now decided in favour of Laodamia, Weather-
glass, Laodomia, and Kenerdy being most in demand.
Speculation upon the Liverpool Autumn Cup was
very limited, many accounts upon the Cambridgeshire
Stakes are at present unsettled, the cause of which we
presume is, many of the subscribers attending Tatter-
sall's and the Worcester Meeting.

LIVERPOOL AUTUMN HANDICAP.
11 to • 2 agst Underhand (taken)
6to 1 aget Wardermarske (taken)
10 to ] agat Cotswold (taken)

WORCESTER AUTUMN MEETING.—TEMBDAY.
Sweepstakes of 5 soya each, with 25 added, for two
and three-yr-olds. One mile. 6 subs.
Mr. Barber's Lord Nelson, by Cellingwood, 3 yrs, Bst 71b
(Dales) 1
Mr. T. Stevens's Barbarity, 8 yrs, 83t 41b (Prior) 2
Mr. G. Drewe's D'Arcy, 2 yrs, 6st 71b (Bray) 3,
Childrey, Mitraille, and Chaperone, also ran.
Betting-5 to 4on Lord Nelson, 3to 1 against
Chadrey.
Won easily by a length, half a length between the
second and third, Childrey and Mitraille well np.
Handicap of 5 sovs, each, with 40 added for two-yr-olde.
The winner to be sold for 50 sous., &o. About one
mdc.
Mr. Cocking's Sobieski, Sat 7(b (T. Cliff) 1
Mr. Curtis's Joe the Quack, Bst 7tb .....(C0w1ey) 2:
Mr. B. Land's Greengage, 7st 91b (J. Land) 3
Babble, Hark-forward, and Thistledown, also ran.
Betting-7 to 4 agat Thistledown, 3to 1 aget Hark-
forward.
Won by two lengths ; half a length between the second
and third. Thistledown and Hark-forward belted.
The Worcester Autumn Handicap of 10 sous. each, h.
ft., and three only if declared, &c., with 100 added.
Certain Winners extra. Two miles. 30 subs, 10 of
whom declared.
Mr. Saunders's Laodamia, 3 yrs, bet 71b
(L. Snowden) 1
Mr. E. Jones's Curlew., 4 yre, 7st 81b (French) 2
Mr. Le Mart's Bel Esperanza, 3 yrs, 7st 31b, (inc.
slb ext.) (Ducker) 3
The following also ran :—Kenerdy, Miss Harkaway,
Hobgoblin, The Dupe, Blue-Bell, Weatherglass, and
Dusty Miller.
Betting-5 to 2 agat Weatherglass-9 to 2 aget Lao-
damia-6 to 1 aget Kenerdy-100 to 15 agst Miss
Harkaway.
Won by ten lengths ; half a length between the eeciond
and third.
Selling Stakes of 5 soya each, with 25 added ; for three.
yr•olds and upwards. One mile and a quarter. 4
subs.
Mr. Cliff's Amorous Boy, 3 yrs (301.), Est 11Ib (Bray) 1
Mr. Melli,h's Rotterdam' 3 yrs (301.), 7st...(Custance) 2
Mr. J. Dawson's Agra, 4 yrs (501.), 9St 31b (French) 3
Mr. Capes Welbani, 6 yrs (501.), 9st 31b (Grub) 4
Betting—Even on Agra--3 to 1 agst Rotterdam.
Won by a neck ; two lengths between the second and
third.

The winner was sold for 51 guineas.
The Hurdle Race Haudicap of 5 soya each, with 30
added. Two miles, over six flights of hurdles. 17
subs.
Mr. Phillip's Heads or Tails, 3 yrs, 9st 41b (ST. White) 1
Mr. Price's Bromptou, 6 yrs, 9st 7lb (R. Sly) 2
Mr. Hylton's Tedalesley, aged, 9st 4lb (Holman, jun.) 3
The following also ran :—The Farmer, Evington
Lass, The Scamp, Earthetopper, and Perseverance.
Betting-5 to 2 aget Eviogton. Lass-7 to 2 net
Earthstopper-5 to 1 apt Teddesley-7 to 1 apt Heads
or Tails.
Won cleverly by half a length ; three lengths between
the second and third ; the others beaten off.
The weather was very bad, the ground deep, and the
attendance

of any avail by examination let them come and ex-
amine it by all means, and he should be happy to
see them, and explain what he bad done in de-
tail. At all events, if they did not follow his ex-
ample, they would admire the results of his system,
for they would wee now a smiling farm where for-
merly there was an unsightly swamp. (Cheers.)
The meeting was also addressed by Col. Clifford,
M.P., and several of the local gentry present on
the occasion.

MR. LINDSAY AND HIS CONSTITUENT&

TYNEMOUTH, MONDAY NIGHT.

Mr. Lindsay, M.P. for this borough, addressed
a large meeting of his constituents in the Assembly-
rooms, Albion Hotel, this evening—Mr. Alderman
Pow, chairman of the Shipowners' Society, pre-
sided.
Mr. LINDSAY was warmly received, and, after
alluding to various matters, merely of local in-
terest, remarked that, as they were aware, there
was at the present time a great depression in the
shipping trade. But it appeared to him there
was a better time coming. They had had
great reverses in America ; there had been
very liiile ship-building going on there, simply
because there was a great want of capital and
also a want of credit. It was a remarkable fact and
he had noticed it in the course of very many years
experience—that if the coal trade was- depressed
within six months the shipping freights in the In-
dian trade fell ;• and his reason for supposing that
the shipping trade would be prosperous before long
was, that there was little ship-building going on in
America and less in this country, while all the time
the trade of tie world was going on increasing, ren-
dering an increase of the carrying trade inevitable.
(Applause.) He for one deeply regretted those re-
verses which had taken place in America ; and he
deeply regretted the system of over advances and
too great facility for credit out of which they had
arisen. He was sorry also that the system was not
confined to America. In Liverpool and Glasgow,
as well as at New York, over advances were a
great evil, because the man of industry who had
made his capital by the sweat of his brow also suf-
fered and fell in the long run with his less prudent
competitors. But they would notice that the state
of things brought with it to a cettain extent itsown
remedy, and his opinion was that this tightness of
the money market would bring about a more whole-
some state of trade, in which the shipowners would
be materially benefited. One more word about
shipping, • arising from some conversation he had
had with their worthy chairman. A new era in
shipping matters was very shortly expected to be
introduced by the launch of that vast ship, the
Great Eastern. If that ship answered, it became a
question how they would stand with their small
ships. It was a matter of great interest to all, but
particularly to those directly or indirectlyinterested
in shipping, whether the ship was likely to answer
commercially or not. He had strong opinions on
the subject commercially ; but first let him say she
would be a great triumph of mechanical art. He
believed no finer or stronger ship was ever put to-
getber. With regard to speed, he doubted whe-
ther she would attain to what had been stated,
though he fully believed she would attain a greater
speed than any ship ever yet launched on the
waters. Our nation had reason to be proud of suck
a great triumph of mechanical skill. But now com-
mercially—that to them was the most important
question, because if such a ship as it was answered
commercially, then all their property in shipping
must in a short time go to the wall. His expe-
rience, however, and he believed it would coin-
cide with theirs—his experience was that they had
found they had, in fact, been building their ships too
large. The Americans, who were a far-sighted
people, had discovered this fact. They said a
3,000 tons ship was too large for the ordinary pur-
poses of commerce; and it had been found that
the ship from 800 to 1,200 tons for the East India
trade, was the most profitable description of ship,
while from 1,500 to 1,800 tons was about the limit.
The course of commerce was, if a Manchester mer-
chant had a thousand bales of cotton to send to
Calcutta, ho did not send the whole in one bottom,
because that might overstock the market. The
merchant did what was called feeding the market.
The same thing would hold good as to passengers.
They did not all go together or in masses, but at
intervals, to suit convenience. So for the purposes
of war, politicians found it the wisest policy to
send out their troops—not a thousand in one bot-
tom, much less 10,000 (hear, hear) ; but sent tivm
out is numbers of 400 or 600 at the very most.
That was the policy. Imagine, then, a whole army
sent out in this Great Eastern. He did not say
anything of the risk of a wreck, he did not contem-
plate any such fearful tragedy ; but suppose her
engines went wrong, be said it was not policy to
send so many troops ; so that, looking at the
matter both politically and according to the
ordinary course of commerce, he was of opinion
that the ships we had had nothing to fear from the
competition of those vast leviathans, such as the
Great Eastern. He now came to that question
which had caused such great excitement through-
out this country, and he might say the wcrld—the
fearful mutiny in India. In doing so he should go
back very shortly into a brief review of the history
of India. The hon. gentleman then briefly sketched
the origin of the East India Company and its pro-
gress from being a purely trading corporation in
1602 until its assumption of territc rial power under
Lord Clive, and thence to the present time. In
extending the Indian empire as it had been ex-
tended, he trusted those who had held the reins of
government had fully considered the serious respon-
sibility which they took upon themselves in annex-
ing district after district to the wet extent of ter-
ritory we now had, because when a people stepped
in to assume such a power of government there
were responsibilities which could not by any means
be violated with impunity. Before assuming it,
they out to be prepared at once to govern the peo-
ple wisely and well. He feared, however, that the
East India Company had not on all occasions go-
verned India either wisely or well. (Applause.)
He did not mean to say that the people of India
were not in a better position than they were when
Clive stepped in to take away part of their territory,
because at that time, and long before, India was
disturbed by the Mahommedan races and rulers.
Originally, as they were aware, India everywhere
was governed by the native indoo princes, and
whether the people had been better under our rule
than they were under the rule of their native
Hindoo princes was a question he was not pre-
pared to enter into. He believed they were well
governed under the Hindoo princes, because
when they looked on India they found vast re-
mains of roads, reservoirs, canals, and public
works, which bad gone to decay, but were evi-
dently constructed under the rule of the Hindoo
princes. He was sure that our government had
been more advantageous to the natives than that of
the Hindoo princes; though that it had been better
than that of Mahommedan princes he did not for a
moment doubt. But that was not the question.
The 'question was—Had we done all we might have
done for India ?He believed we had not. He be-
lieved we had much to answer for on account of
India. He believed that though we had been draw.
ing large amounts of revenues from the people of
India we had been neglecting public works ; that
we had. not been opening out canal., or adding to
the facilities of communication as we ought to have
done—that we had done much, but that we had
also left undone much that we ought to have done.
When he looked at the enormous revenue derived
from India, he asked how much was spent in publio
works. And taking Glasgow or Manchester, he
found that one of these large cities, viz , Manches-
ter, had spent more in a year in institutions for the
benefit and elevation of the people than the Court
of Directors of the East India House had done for
the whole of India in the same period. He said we
had not governed India wisely, and we bad not
done it well. To him there seemed a sort of fatility
to follow this course of aggrandisement, grasping
vast extensive territory without taking the means
to govern the territory we had already. It seemed
to him it would have been much wiser had we
limited our territory and governed it better. We
were told that we had been compelled by necessity
to increase our territory, but he doubted that much,
and he thought we had taken possession of more
territory in India than we could govern well, and
that if we had had less we would have governed
it better. India was still governed by a company
of traders, and the machinery was the same as in
1834, when their trading functions ceased. He
said the system of double government was not a
tseoi
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in the government of India. What that change
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change
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extent for him to say ; but it struck him, if they
were to g would be presump sous to a certain
t ought to be on the spot, in India itself—
overn thepeople of India well, thegovern-
(keellar)—subject to the check of the House of Cora-
„ions. (Applause.) Mr. Lindsay then entered
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into the subject of the mutiny among the sepoyc.
He was for no half measures with those traitors.
He was a mau of peace ; and it was said, " Von-