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London, England, 1850-08-09 00:00:00

IMPROVEMENT BILL.

Sir G. GREY stated that he attsched great import-
ance to the Bill, because Le considered it would eti:rct a
material improvement in the administration of justice ;
but as theie wurs some clauses in it which he could not
hope to have passed at the present moment, he should
postpone its considerzoion until the next session, when
he intended to bring it forward in its present shape at
an early p"ried..

Mr. 'HENLEY cocsidered the course pursued by the
Right Hon. Gentleman to be one at the same time pru-
dent and wise. It was a subj,,ct of the greatest impor-
tance, and required the fullest consideration.
Mr. AGLIONBY concurred in the course pursued on
this occasion also.
The order was accordingly discharged. •
CHIEF JUSTICES' SALARIES BILL.

Lord J. RUSSELL intimated that the Chief Justices'
Salaries Bill would ulso be abandoned. The whole sub•

ject in connexion with the report of the Committee on
salaries would be considered by the Government during
the recess.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
that the House would sit in the new chamber to-morrow
(this day).

In reply to Mr. WALPOLE,
L.rd J. RUSSELL said that be should state when the
time came what, in his opinion, the salary of the present
Lord Chief Justice should be. Parliament, however,
would take its own courpe in the matter.
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL

The House then went iuto Committee on this Bill.
On clause 38.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the blank be filled up with 1001.
Mr. J. A. S VIITH skid he thougt.t the sum fixed by,
the Chancellor of the Exchequer was to low a sum. He
thought it. should he fixed at 2001.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
these societies were for the benefit of the lower class of,
people, and 1001. was as large a bUM as a person of that
class would insure his life for.
Mr. AGLIONBY supported the proposition for 2004
Mr. HUME considered that fixing it at 100/. was a
great concession. The public was already much taxed
for the advantage of these societies.
Mr. J. A. SMI said not one of these societies had
put the public to one shilling of expense, but they con.
tributed to the revenue by paring stamps on their
policies. The Provident Clerks' Association, with which
he was connected, had paid in this way 1,700/. for stamps.
Mr. P. SCROPE observed that if they did agree to
200/. it ought to be limited to those societies that were
certified under the Friendly Societies Act.
Mr. J. A. SMITH said he was willing to accede to that.
After some discussion, in the cours.' of which
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ho
allowed existing insurances to remain as they were, bet
that the Act would apply to future insurances, •
The clause was agreed to, the blank being filled:up
with 100 Z
On clause 39.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked whether it was in-
tended to subject friendly societies to all the clauses
and provisions.of the Acts relating to savings banks,
and whether Government would guarantee the continu-
Ince of the rate of interest proposed to be given under
his Bill-31. Os. 10d. per cent.?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
that it was not intended to subject the moneys invested
on behalf of friendly societies to the regulations of the
savings banks Acts. With regard to the Honourable
Baronet's second question, he begged to state that there
was a certain number of friendly societies to which by
law an interest at the rate of 41. 1 ls. was insured,
And there were other societies to which an interest
of 81. 16s. was insure.l. In these cases the rates
of interest which had been guaranteed would be conti..
oiled; but it wai proposed in future cases to give a re-
duced amount of interest. The result of the arrange-
ments he had mentioned was a considerable annual loos

to the country, the loss lar,t year upon the interest paid
o friendly societies having been 20,7004 lie thought
t extremely desirable that the rate fixed to be hereafter
paid should be permanent, and he had therefore proposed
a rate of 'Merest a little below that which he might
otherwise have been disposed to suggest. He had pro-
posed a rate of 31. Os. 10d. per cent. as a sum upon which
the parties, as far as he could give arty assurance,. might
permanently calculate.
The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 40.
On clause 41, which provides that, on the death of a
member of any friendly society entitled to a sum not ex-
reeding 501., the trustees, if no will has b ea left by
such deceasedmember, may pay the amount according
to the rule a of tv e said sociel, &c.,
Mr. HENLEY obj-c:ed to the clause, on the ground
that it was inconsistent with the second clause, and he
suggested the omission of the words, " according to the
rules of the said society."
Mr. SPOONER observed, that in some
.societies the
member had by the rules the power of having the KIM
paid to his widow; if theso words were struck out, he
would not have that which was perhaps his reason for
belonging to that si elsty.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought it would be
' advisable to omit the words. It did no; appear definable
that there should be various systems of rules prevailing;
it would be better that there should be one rule, the
rule of law as to the distribution of an intestate's effects,
and, if a person wished his property otherwise diitri-
buted, he cold make a will.
Lnrd DUDLEY STUART apprehended that it was
not the habit Uf tho class of persons in questitA to wake
s will.

After some conversation upon the point, the Com-
mittee divided, when there appeared—
For striking out the words ... 32
Against it ••• • • ••• ... 25
Majority ••• ••• ••• --7
The clause, amended accordingly, was agreed to, as
also was clause 42.
Oa clause 43, prohibiting assurances from being beree-
after granted by these societies. payable on the m-mber's
death to a nominee. or to any other per-on than the
executors. aiminiltrators, nr assigns of the member,
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER ob-
s erved that it was never contempkted that there was to
be such a nominee system as had grown up, enabling
people to evade to such an extent the stamp and probate
and legacy duty, and, if so minded, to cheat their cre-
ditors. He believed there was a person of high rank in
this country whose life was insured for no less than
5,0001. in this way.
The clause wee agreed to with amendments; the re-
maining clauses, as amended, were also agreed to, and
the Bill was ordered to be reported.
The amendments of the Lords to the Elections (Ire-
land) Bill were considered.
The Law-Fund Duties (Ireland) Bill went through
Committee. H-port this day.
TRAN6FER OF IMPROVEMENT LOANS (IRE-

LAND) BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the second reading.
Mr. ARKWRIGFIT wished some explanation to be
given of the object of the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that in the Act passed this session for the purposes of
authorising advances to be made for the improvement of
land in Ireland, there wa. one word which, in the opinion •
of the law officers, would have the effect of preventing
the commissioners of public works aliowing proprietors
who had obtained advances for the improv meta of one
portion of their estates to transfer the advances to the
improvement of another portion of their estates.
After a tow words from Major BLACKALL and
Mr. MULLINGS, the Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-morrow (this day) at twelve
o'clock.
LOUGH CORRIB IMPROVEMENT COMPANY

COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL.
The ord-r of the day for the second reading of this
Bill having b.en read.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished some explanation of
the measure.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that a company, tilled the Lough Currib Company, had
executed certain works in Irelaul, but had been unable
to complete Viem. A few years ago a 13111 was passed,
enabling the Board of Works to undertake certain works
in Ireland, among which was the opening of the Lough
Corrib, and the carrying out more eff-ctu ally whit the
company had professed to do. The company had exe-
cuted a certain part of the work near the town of G.l-
- and by excavating a sand-bank had improved the
river. The Board of Works proposed to complete she
undertaking, and the compensation in this Bill of 5,0001.
was for what the company had done.
Mr. HUME a-ked what the value of the works would
be, if completed?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said they
would improve the channel of the river, and facilitate the
drainage of the neighbouring lands.
Mr. HUME ask-d to whom those lands belonged?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
plied that they belonged to parties on the banks of the
lough who were taxed fur the repayment of the ad-
vances.

Mr. ANSTEY hoped the Government would agree to
the recommendation in the report, and make a distinct
board of fisheries commissioners.
After a few words from Colonel DUNNE,
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL hoped the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would receive with caution any statements of
the Louzh Corrib Company.
Mr. AGLIONBY said a few words on behalf of the
company. The present Bill was a tardy act of justice to
a company which had spent large sums in improving
Ireland, and the compensation provided in it would not
exceed 2s. in the pound on the amount expended in
Ireland.
Mr. AS RKWRIGHT felt so strong an objection to the
introduction of a Bill of this kind at a period of the ses-
sion when the usual forms could not be observed, that he
begged to move that the Bill be read a second time that
day three months.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion
Against it
Majority

... 63
... -53

Mr. HUME protested against the Chancellor of the
Exchequer thus laying out money at the end of the ses-
sion as fast as he got it in.
The Bill was then real a second time, and ordered ,
to be committed to-morrow (this day) at twelve o'clock.
MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
The order of the day for considering the amendments
to the Medical Charities (Ireland) Bill was thee pro-
ceeded with. Some clauses and amendments were agreed
to, and added to the Bill.
Mr. CLEMENTS, pursuant to notice, moved to sub-
stitate the f:Alowing clause for clause 8 in the I
" And be it enacted, that the guardians of each union in
Ireland shall, when so required by the said Commis-
sioners of Health, with all reasonable diepatch, divide
such union into so many dispensary districts, having
regard to the extent and population of such dis-
tricts as may to them appear necessary; and
in case the said Commissioner of Health shall
approve of the districts so formed by the said
guardians, they shall issue an order under their seal,
declaring the same; and in case they shall not ap•
prove of the districts so formed by tha said guar-
dians, the said commissioners may, and they are
• hereby empowered to issue an order under their seal
declaring the districts which to them may appear neces-
sary; and it shall be lawful fur the said commissioners,
and they are hereby empowered, when they may see oc-
casion, from time to time to alter such districts by any
order tinder their seal: provid d always, that in
no case shall an electoral division formed under the I
Act fir the inure effectual relief of the destitute poor be
divi fed; and from and after a day to be named in any
such order, the cost of all medical relief afforded
within each.euch dispensary district to which such order
shall relate, together with all the salaries and charges
incidental to the same, shall be charged on the poor
rates of the electoral division or divisions comprised
therein, according to the net annual value of each such
division, under the poor-law valuation in force tor the
time being; and the said commissioners shall declare
in such order the number and qn elificstions of the
officers to be appointed for the service of each such dis-
pensary district, and shall l►kewise declare in the said
order the number of persons who shall be members of
the committee of 'management of such districts, as here-
inafter is provided; and the said commission. rs may,
and they are hereby empowered, when they may see
occasion, from time to time to regulate the amount of
salaries or allowances payable to such officers
respectively, and the time and mode of payment
thereot."
Si, W. SOMERVILLE said be felt himself under
some embarrassment with re-pest to the clause proposed;
for although he did nit object to the principle of the
clause, it proposed to displace one which had the ap-
proval of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for
the University of Dublin (Mr. Napier). The effect of
the clause would be to give increased power to the local
boards. He should not ohj. ct to the clause if he might
not be thought, perhaps, guilty of a breach of faith to
his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member fur the Uni-
versity of Dublin, by whom clause Shad been supported,
and who was not then present.
Colonel DINNE supported the clause proposed to
be substituted for clause 8, which he thought a much
better one than that.
After a few words from Sir D. NORREYS,
It was agreed to strike out clause 8, and substitute
Mr. Clement's clause instead.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he hoped the Hon.
Member would draw up a clause instead of clause 13,
in accordance with that one whieh be had just intro-
duced. He (Sir W. Somerville) had undertaken to
draw up a clause in accordance with clause 8, but he
could not now promise to do so.
Several clauses and amendments were brought npf
considered, and agreed to; and the Bill was ordered to
be read a third time at twelve o'clock to-morrow
(this day).
SAVINGS BANKS BILL.
On the motion for the sec ind reading of this Bill,
Sir H, WILLOUG 1113 Y said that was a measure of
considerable importance, in which the country at large
was concerned, and on which Hon. Members not then
present would wish to address the House. It was not a
proper time of the session to proceed with it, nor was
that an hour at which they could fairly discuss a subject
of such great weight. In tact, before they could legis-
late safely upon that usacter they should submit the
whole question to some inquiry or other; and tie there-
fore put it to the Right Hon. Baronet. the Chancellor of
the Exchequer whether it would not be more advisable
to postpone it until the next session. However, if his
suggestion was not acted on, he was ready to go on with
the discussion then.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was with great regret that he felt obliged to come to the
same conclusion as the Hon. Baronet. He had been
most anxious to obtain a discussion on that important
memure during the present session; hut as that seemed
not likely to be bad, and it was of the greatest conse-
quence that the measure should have the fullest delibe-
ration, he felt he was doing the best he could in comply-
ing with the Hon. Member's request, and postponing the
Bill till next session.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said tba; was a measure of very great
importance, and it would be impossible to reconcile all
the conficting opinions which existed on the subject in a
hasty and brief discussion. He, therefore, approved of
the postponement of the Bill to next session. He would
have the resoluticns which had been come to on
that subj.-ct printed at once, so that the House and the
public might be aware of the full statement cf the case.
Mr. liINDLEY trusted no alarm would be created
amongst the depo.itori in savings backs; and that if
tru,tees did not do their duty, the Government would
act as they had done in the case of the Culls-street
Savings Bank.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD—Such a measure should be
brought forward as would give ample security to the de-
positors in those barks.
Mr. P. SJRDPE said they were to have bad a Bill
brought in on that subject in the early part of the
session; they were then at its close, and nothing bad
been done. He wondered a run had not taken place on
the saving; banks tiefere now. Trio sooner they put
these useful instittei, Hs on the best teeeiog po-stble the
better for the improvement of the condition of tne great
masses of the iedustrious classes in this empire.
Mr. REYNOLDS regretted the determination of
Government to withdraw the Bill, and expressed a hope
that %hen again introduced next year it would contain
the principle of responsibility in the state for the due .
payment of all deposits in sayings banks.

THE

The Bill was then ordered to be read a second time
that day three months.
The Copyright of Designs Act Amendment Bill was
committed pro forma.
The Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) (No. 2) Bill was
ordered to be committed tha►t day three months.
The Union of Liberties with Counties Bill was passed
through Committee.

The GPneral Board of Health (Nc. 3) Bill was passed
through Commirtee.

INSPECTION OF COAL MINES.

The House went into Committee on this Bill.

In reply to Sir H. WILLOUGHBY,
Sir G. GREY said that the Bill would not place any
limit upon the actual number of inspectors, but Parlia-
ment would have a check in voting the salaries.
The several clauses having been agreed to, the Bill
was reported with amendments to the House, which than
adjourned at Halt-past Ten o'clock.