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eel•eee the rights of present incumbents ere reserved
entire such an ergurneut against legislative interference
for the public good with trusts constituted for the public
benefit was not entitled to any weight."
Ho must observe, however, that the Commissioners went
on to say, that if the object could bo accomplished with-
out interference it would be preferable; but if the end
for which the funds were given was kept in view—pro-
moting religion and sound learning—they held that there
was a right to interfere. So with respect to the univer-
sities of Oxford and Cambridge. Though the Hon.
Member for the University of Oxford said the argument
applied to three or four colleges only of Oxford, yet in
some of these which were among the most richly en-
do wed there was what in mechanical science would be
called a waste of power to a great extent, so that with the
most learned persons employed in the education of youth
the object was not attained, owing to the manner in
which the foundation deeds were so literally complied
with. How was a remedy to be applied? Some people
said a Bill ought to be introduced enabling the Univer-
sities and colleges to make the necessary changes. But
it appeared to him (Lord J. Russell) with respect to a
question of this kind, and.some others akin to it, that an
inquiry by a Royal Commission would be eminently ser-
viceable, and would tend to make the changes in the
Universities more complete and efficient. It was his
intention, therefore, not to vote for the motion, and he
had to state that it was the intention of her Majesty's
Government to advise her Majesty to issue a Royal
Commission to inquire into the revenues and education
of the two Universities. There would have been an ap-
pearance of hostility in issuing a commission of inquiry
ten years ago, when such a proposition was made; but
if there were persons approving inquiry who belonged to
those Universities, had been educated in them, and re-
tained feelings of regard and reverence for those places
of education, and if the inquiry to be made was to be made
in a friendly spirit, ha could not see that anything but
benefit would result. The inquiries to be instituted
would, he thought, be of the utmost advantage to the
education of the people of this country.—(Hear, hear.)
It was stated that 1,600 young persons were educated at
Oxford. That education might be extended to a much
greater number. The people of this country, without
entering into the question of churchmanship and dissent,
had the greatest interest in seeing that these funds were
applied to the encouragement of sound learning and to the
instruction of the youth at the most moderaee rate.—
(Hear, hear.) Such, he believed, was in fact the inten-
tion which animated the founders of the greater part, if
not the whole of these colleges. When they were
founded, the greatest desire prevailed among men of
wealth and property, and among the sovereigns and
princes of this realm, to promote education in the largest
sense, according to the best knowledge that could be
procured.—(Hear, hear.) His belief was, that by pro-
moting education in the largest sense, combined with the
religion and morality which these great institutions were
sure to maintain iu the present day, they would be
adding another security for the maintenance of their in-
stitutions, and be teaching a larger body of the people to
look to these Universities as places where their sons
might obtain the best eduction that could be attained,
and might be fitted for the purposes of life.—(Hear,
hear.) Nor was he in the least deterred by the conside-
ration that the Universities had educated the most
eminent men of this country. It young men of talent
were sent to a University they would excel in that place,
and afterwards in Parliament and the councils of their
country. The question was, whether all the education
was given to young men during youth that could be given
to enable them to fulfil " nobly and magnanimously" in
the language of Milton, the offices and diities to which
they might be called. He, therefore, hoped that, while
the House need not come to a decision on the motion, a
Commission, which should b© appointed with the view of
aiding and assisting the Universities in the noble object
of reform which they had before them, would be received
by them as a token of the interest which the Crown took
in their welfare, and would be the means of making
them still more useful and still more learned than they
had approved themselves hitherto.—(Cheers.)
Mr. GOULBURN regretted that, however disposed
to go along with the Noble Lerd in the commencement
and in many parts of his speech, his feeling of satisfac-
tion had been greatly diminished by the concluding an-
nouncement that it was intended to advise the Crown to
issue a Commission of Inquiry into the revenues and
education of the Univerities of Oxford and Cambridge
—(dear, hear.) It was impossible for any man, even
on the other side of the House. who had a regard for
the honour aed interest of the Universities, to agree to
the motion which had given rise to this discussion. The
admission of Dissenters to the Universities was a question
to be decided by Parliament, and not by a Commission.
He was not prepared to enter on a discussion as to the
legal right of such a Commission, because, if the object
was to benefit the Universities, he was convinced that
the appointment of a Commission was not the proper
mode.—(Hear, hear.) It was admitted that great changes
had been effected practically in the Universities, that
great improvements had been made in the mode of teach-
ing and the extent of knowledge to which the students
were introduced. They had been introduced without
the aid of a Commission.—(Hear, hear.) The efforts
ot the Universities would be thwarted, controlled,
and defeated by such a measure. Everything might
be done by the Universities and the Crowu, on consul-
tation, and in concurrence, adopting improvements
which' might be mutually suggested. The Noble Lord
rejoiced that ten years ago a Commission was not issued;
he would, ten years hence, rejoice if the present measure
was not carried out.—(Hear, hear.) They ought to
bear in mind what had been done by the concurrence of
the Crown and the Universities during the last ten
years. Ile was speaking of a Commission which should
carry the complete concurrence of the body into which
it had t'o inquire. Ile would ask whether the Secretary
of the Home Department had not had the Crown and
the authorities ot the University concurring when most
valuable amendments of the statutes wets submitted to
his consideration on the part of a college of Cambridge?
Why did the Noble Lord adopt a different course ot
action? That a great deal had been done within the
last ten years was undisputed and indisputable; the pro-
fessors' lectures were open to all; new branches of study
had been introduced; but, said the Noble Lord, the
time allotted to the professors' lectures was so ex-
tremely short, that it was impossible, any progress
could be made in a particular science. In the
first place, under the new system it was not merely
the Professor of Modern History who was to give lec-
tures in his own particular bilanch, but duties of a cor-
responding character had been imposed on other pro-
fessors; and if men were to be instructed iu many
branches of knowledge it was impossible to assign to each
that full measure of instruction which it appeared to be
the object of the Noble Lord to give to those who studied
modern history. But was the Noble Lord right as to the
tact with regard to modern history? why, he must be
notoriously misinformed, for the fact was that Sir James
Stephen gave throe lectures a week to numerous and
crowded audiences, receiving that tribute of applause to
which his knowledge and talents pro-eminently entitled
him. That was a matter assuredly on which the
Noble Lord need not think it necessary to send a Com-
mission to Cambridge to inquire into. But the Noble
Lord said ho must have his Commission, because he
wanted to engraft on the tutors a knowledge of those
sciences now. taught by the professors. He (Mr. Goul-
burn) did not deny that, having made one great change
in the university system by opening new honours to new
branches of learning, therefore some changes of a subor-
dinate nature mightnot also be necessary; but those who
had made the great change were surely competent to
make the minor changes that might be requisite.—
(dear, bear.) The Universities had acted neither hastily
nor rashly; but the Noble Lord set up some new theory
of statutes altogether, and stated that the colleges im
posed a prohibition on the election to fellowships of men
who were competently informed on the several new
branches of education which had been introduced into
the University course. He told the Noble Lord that
there was not a college in the University of Cambridge
which prescribed a mode of examination by which fel-
lowships were to be obtained, and if the University of its
own accord chose to decide that fellowships should de-
pend on the tripos altogether, it was in their own breasts
to make those the topics of examination, and to base the
grunting of fellowships exclusively upon a knowledge of
modern history or botany, instead of upon mathematics
and classics, as they formerly depended.—(Hear.) But
would the Commission have no evil effect? Did the
Noble Lord suppose, when he chose five or six or seven
Commissioners to go down to Cambridge with all the
pomp and circumstance with which probably they would
bo invested, that their arrival would not at once arrest
all progress of improvement on the part of those who
had hitherto dedicated themselves to the work? Did he
think it possible that those Commissioners could bring
before them the heads of houses without interfering with
the progress of what was there going on, without para-
lyzing the efforts of those who were now labouring in the
cause he wished to advance, and without casting an im-
putation on their conduct and motives, fur that would
inevitably be taken to be the meaning of such an inquiry.
—(hear, hear.) He sincerely trusted that the Noble
Lard would now, as his Government had done in 1836,
reconsider the proposal he had just announced to the
House. lie pretended not now to enter into a discus-
sion with the Noble Lord as to the best mode of edu-
cation to be pursued in the Universities of England;
although he should be sorry, as far as his own feelings
were concerned, that the minds of young men should
be diverted from that attention to mathematical studies
and classical literature which he believed to be the
foundation of eminence in any future position in which a
person might be placed.—(Rear.) And, though he was
quite prepared to admit the advantage of having ex-
tended that circle of knowledge to the sciences, which
were now to be placed on an equal footing with clas-
sical and mathematical knowledge, yet he did hope that
they would not he pursued t, the extent of exterminating
the other, and that the Commission would not go down
imbued with a feeling in favour of those new studies
which should eradicate all taste and affection for the
old, on which he believed the future welfare and emi-
nence of individuals and the prosperity of the country
mainly depended.—(Cheers.) lie did not stop to argue
the legality of issuing the proposed Commission; but he
said if the Noble Lord has objects in view which ap-
peared t, be deserving the attention of the University,
that there would be no difficulty, without a Commission, of
securing the concurrence of the University authorities.
If, however, the Noble Lord should attempt by a vio-
lent exercise of authority to send down a Commission,
in itself of doubtful legality—which he and many great
lawyers believed to be of settled illegality—(Hear)—he
would involve himself and the body whom he sought to
benefit in a course of contentious hostility, which would
b 3 anything but favourable to the object he professel to
hare in view. He should therefore content himself on
the present occasion with earnestly expressing his hope
that the Noble Lord would re-consider the decision he
had expreseed to the House, and not place those learned
bodies in the painful situation of coming into contact
with the Crown, but would rather endeavour, by conci-
liatory approaches to them, and by profiting by their
greater experience than his own in the mode and con-
duct of education, to facilitate the continuance of those
improvements which had been by the.n spontaneously

(From the Votes and Proceedings of flu, House of atrarnons.
TUESDAY. APRIL 23.
ENGLISH AND IRISH UNIVERSITIES.
Motion made, and Question proposed, " That all systems
of academical Education require from time to time some
modification, from the change of external circumstances, the
progress of opinion, and the intellectual improvement of the
people :
" That in the ancient English and Irish Universities, and
in the Colleges connected with them, the interests of religi-
ous and useful learning have not advanced to an extent
commensurate with the great resources and high position of
those bodies; that collegiate statutes of the fifteenth century
occasionally prohibit the local authorities from introducing
any alterations into voluminous codes, of which a large por-
tion are now obsolete ; that better laws are needed to regu-
late the ceremony of matriculation and the granting of
degrees; to diminish the exclusiveness of the University
Libraries; to provide for a fairer distribution of the rewards
of scientific and literary merit; to extend the permission of
marriage to tutors of colleges ; and to facilitate the registra-
tion of electors for the Universities; that additional checks
might be considered with reference to the continued extra-
vagance of individual students ; and that the mode of tenure
of college property ought to be ameliorated, particularly in
Ireland :
" That as it is her Majesty's right and prerogative to
name Visitors and Commissioners to inquire into the ancient
Universities and Colleges of England and Ireland, an bumble
Address be presented to her Majesty, praying that her
Majesty will be graciously pleased to issue her Royal Com-
mission of Inquiry into the state of the Universities and
Colleges of Oxford, Cambridge, and Dublin, with a yiew to
assist in the adaptation of those important institutions to the
requirements of modern times :"—Dobate arising, Motion
made, and Question put, " That the Debate be now ad-
ourned." The House divided:—
MAJORITY—AYES, 273.
Floyer, John Napier, Joseph
Fordyce, A. D. Newdegate, N.
Forster, M. Newport, Viscount
Fortescue, Chichester Nugent, Lord
Fox, W. J. O'Brien, Sir Lucius
French, F. Ogle, S. C.
Frewen, C. H. Oswald, Alexander
Gaskell, J.M. Paget, Lord C.
Gladstone, W. E. Pakington, Sir J.
Goulburn, Henry Palmer, Robert
Grace, 0. D. Palmerston, YiScOun
Graham, Sir James Parker, John
Greenall, Gilbert Pechell, Sir G.
Greene, John Peel,;Sir Robert
Greene, Thomas Peel, Colonel
Grcnfell, Charles W. Peel, Frederick
Grey, Sir George Perfect, R.
Grey, Ralph W. Pigott, Francis
Grogan, Edward Pilkington, JameS
Grosvenor, Earl Pinney, William
Hall, Sir Benjamin Plowden, W. 11.
lialsey, T. P. Portal, Melville
llamilton, G. A. Power, Dr.
Hanmer,_Sir John Price, Sir It
Hardcastle, J. A. Prime, Richard
Harris, Captain Eawdon, Colonel
Haste, Alexander Renton,;J. C.
Haste, Archibald Repton, G. W. J.
Ilatchell, John Ricardo, Osman
llawes, B. Rice, E. R. _.
Hayter, W. G. Richards, Richard
Henley, J. W. Robartes, T. J.
Herbert, Sidney Roebuck, J A.
Hervey, Lord A. Romilly, Colonel
Heywood, James Romilly, Sir John
Ileyworth, Lawrence Russell, Lord John
llildyard, R. C. Russell, F. C. H.
Hill, Lord E. Sadleir,lJohn
Hill, Lerd Marcus Saivrey, Colonel
Ilobhouse, Sir John Sandars, George
Hodgson, W. N. Scholerleld, William
Hogg, Sir7,J. W. Scully, Francis
Hollond, Robert Seymer, H. K.
Hood, Sir A. Seymour, Lord
Hope, Alexander Sheridan, R. B.
llotham, Lord Sibthorp, Colonel
Howard, C.W. Simeon, John
lloward, P. 11. Slaney, Robert A.
Hudson, George Smith, R. V.
Hughes, W. B. Smith, M. Tucker
Inglis, Sir R. H. Somerset, Captain
Jermyn, Earl Somerville. Sir W.
Jervis, Sir John Sotheron, T.
Jocelyn, Viscount Stafford, Augustus
Johnstone, Sir J. Stanford, J. F.
Jolliffe, Sir W. G. Stanton, W. H.
Jones, Captain Stuart, Lord D.
Keating, Robert Stuart, Lord J.
Keogh, William Stuart, 11.
Sturt, Henry G.
Kershaw, James
Tenison, E. K.
King, P. J.
Labouchere, Henry Tennent, R. J.
Law, C. E. Thicknesse, Ralph
Lemon, Sir C. Thompson, Colonel
Lennard, T. B. Thornely, T.
Lennox, Lord A. Tollemache, F. J.
Lewis, George C. Townley, R. G.
Lindsay, Colonel Townshend, Captain
Littleton, E. R. Trelawny, J. S.
Locke, Joseph Trevor, 4.111. ,
Lopes, Sir Ralph Trollope, Sir J.
Lowther, Colonel Tufnell IL
Mackenzie, W. F. Turner, George
Mackie, John Tyrell, Sir J.
11`Naghten, Sir E. Verner, Sir W.
11l Cullagh , W. T. Verney. Sir H.
Mallon, O'Gorman Vyse, 11.
Melon, Viscount Waddington, David
Mangles, R. D. Waddington, H. S.
Martin, Samuel Walpole, Spencer
Masterman, John Walter, John
Matheson, Colonel 'Wellesley, Lord C.
Maule, Fox Willcox, Brodie
Melgund, Viscount Williams, John
Mitchell, T. A. Wilson, James
Monsell, William Wilson, Matthew
Morris, David Wortley, J. S.
Mostyn, E. Wood, Sir Charles
Mullings, J. R. WyTill, M.
Mundy, William TELLERS.
Munta, G. F. Palmer, Roundel
Naas, Lord Cardwell, Edward

Acland, Sir T. D.
Adair, Hugh E.
Adair, R. A.
Alcock, Thomas
Alexander, N.
Anderson, Arthur
Armstrong, R. B.
Ashley, Lord
Bailey, Joseph
Baines, M. T. -
Baring, H. B.
Baring, Sir F.'
Baring, Thomas
Barnard, E. G.
Bass, Thomas
Bateson, T.
Beckett, W.
Bellew, R. M.
Bennet, P.
Beresford, William
Berkeley, C. L.
Bernard, Viscount
Best, John
Birch, Sir T.
Blake, M. J.
Biakemore, R.
Booth, Sir R. G.
Bouverie, E. F.
Boyd, John
Boyle, Colonel
Bramston, T• W.
Briseo, M.
Brockman, E. D.
Brooke, Lord
Brother ton, J.
Bulkeley, Sir R. B.
Campbell, W. F.
Carew, W. P.
Carter, John B.
Caulfeild, J. M.
Cavendish, G. H.
Cayley, Edward S.
Chatterton, Colonel
Chichester, Lord J.
Childers, J. W.
Cholmeley, Sir M.
Christopher, R.
Christy, Samuel
Clay, James
Clements, Charles
Clifford, H. M.
Cobbold, J. C.
Cockburn, A. J.
Cocks, T. S.
Codrington, Sir W.
Colebrooke, Sir T.
Coles, 11. IL
Colvile, C. R.
Corry, 11.
Cowper, W. F.
Currie, Henry
Curteis, 11. M.
Dalrymple, Captain
Davie, Sir.H.
Dawson, T. V.
Denison, J. E.
D'Eyncourt, C. T.
DO, J. W.
D fainmond, Henry
puff, George S.
Duff, James
Duncan, George
DDEDpandas,bauuau
rsinni
East,
dnc4rua s
orc' IlDoe, C. .ni! d
J.
Edwards, Henry
Ellice, E., jun.
Ellis, John
Elliot, J. E.
Estcourt, J. B. B.
Evans, J.
Evans, William
Ewart, William
Fagan, William
Farrer, James
Fergus, John
Ferguson, Sir R.
Ferguson, Sir 11.

MINORITY-NOES. 31.
Forbes, Wm.
Forester, G. C.
Fox, S. L.
Galway, Viscount
Gwyn, Howel
Ilildyard, T. B. T.
Lascelles, E
Loveden,.Pryse
Lygon, General
M'raggart, Sir J.
Miles, I'. W. S.
Milner, W. M.

Bagge, W.
Baldock, E. H.
Bankes, G.
Bentinck, Lord H.
Blackstone, W.
Blair, Stephen
Bromley, Robert
Brown,,ll.
Buck, Lewis W.
Coke, E. K.
Corbaily, M. E.
Evelyn, W. J.

Osborne, Ralph
Rendlesham, Lord
Smyth, John G.
Stanley, Edward
Talbot, C. /Z.
Thompson, Add.
Williamson, Sir IL

Tom•
Lawless, Cecil
llobhouse, T. B•

begun, end which. ho was sore, would be enwine ei by by the House without d,seussion. When the Commit- ITO THE SECRETARY OF THE
those echo took the lead (at least in the University with ' tee had made their report he would state his own oinniun BRADFORD REFORM ASSOCIATION.
which he was connected) with every disposition t ) give on the subject.—(Hear, hear.) Sir,—Oa Monday the 22nd, the debate was re-
effect to them to the fullest extent. He certainly had not Sir J. HOGG said the course adopted by the Right newed on the Australian Colonies Bill. The question
expected to have heard a proposition of this nature from Hon. Baronet was most fair and judicious. Like the wasthe
namebrou brought
the up,
lovf the merits of what is known by
. a e e principle, which may be
the Noble Lord on grounds so utterly unt mable; and Right Hon. Baronet, he should abstain from expressing
he could not at all admit the similarity of the ease with his opinion on the subject until the Committee bad made defined
the uniting of the two Scotch colleges. IF, indeed, the their report. as consisting in refusing to sell waste public
Noble Lord intended to act upon that principle, and pro- Motion agreed to. land in the colonies at less than a certain price per
posed to unite two or three colleges in a University in CHANCERY AND LUNACY FEES. acre (actually, I believe, twenty shillings) ; the pro-
order to diminish what the Noble Lord termed a " use- The SOLICITOR•GENERAL moved that the House ceeds to be applied to the expenses of carrying out
less waste of power," he would call down upon himself go into Committee for the purpose of agreeing to a re- emigrants from this country.
the deserved hostility of all who had any regard for the solution upon which to found a Bill to enable the Lord On this, it strikes me, a remark may be made,
law, or who viewed the rights and wishes of founders as High Chancellor of England to authorise the collection wmiothndmayo,rse
doefb
actl
ee.a r
And
that asi s , substantiated
arhey
two
worth anything.—(Cheers.) He entirely differed from of fees payable in relation to proceedings in the Cou
proceeding adapted
possible objects, and two ways of
consequently of imp
Noble Lord's proposition of granting this Commis- Chancery, and in lunacy, by means of stamps. Ittine
sion. lie to them respectively; and it is
thought it would be more than useless—that considered that, by the means of these stamps much
it would be positively pernicious.—(Cheers.) and trouble now expended in the collection of fees would
portance, that they should be applied each in the
promote emigration from this country, then
Mr. SCULLY, amidst boisterous calls for a division, be saved.
right place, and not each in the wrong. If the .
there ma (under reservations) be reason in raising a
ob-
complained that the Noble Lord had not promised to Mr. HENLEY said the public most justly expected,
eat is to y
send a Commission to inquire into the state of Trinity that not only time and trouble would be saved, but that
College, Dublin. The Roman Catholics of Ireland a considerable amount of the fees themselves, and of the
formed the great majority of the people, and ought to expense of collecting them would be saved.—(Hear.) fund for that purpose by the sale of land. But
hive a share of the funds which were intended for the The SOLICITOR-GENERAL had no doubt that if the object is to promote the multiplication
education of the Irish. He should move an amendmeat the Bill, once in operation, would enable the Lord and growth of breeding people already there, then it
to the proposition of the Noble Lord, or must request Chancellor to effect the object desired by the Honourable is as well settled as any point can be by experience,
the lion. Member for North Lancashire not to with- Gentleman.—(Hear.) that the abundance of good waste land and the fa-
draw that portion of his motion which related to Trinity The House then went into Committee, and the resolu- culty of obtaining it at pleasure, are the grand instru-
College. tion was agreed to. A Bill, founded on the resolution
Mr. HEYWOOD said he looked upon the offer made was subsequently brought in and read a first time. manta for that multiplication of industrious human
by the Noble Lord as so important that he should be SAVINGS FUND. beings, which must be attended with progress and
quite willing to withdraw his motion.—(Cries of " No, On the motion of Mr. SLANEY, the following Gen-
circumstances as have
public strength. To try the question,—under such
no I" and " Divide.") He agreed that it was very im- men were appointed a Select Committee on savings of the been supposed, to wit the
portant to have a Commission sent to Dublin, and should middle and working classes ;—Mr. Slaney, Mr. John previous existence of a race of settlers of domestic
be happy to support a motion to that effect, but at pre- Abel Smith, Mr. Labouchere, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. a
condition above habits and able t
to
the support themselves in
sent he begged to withdraw his own motion. Greene, Mr. Ewart, Lord James Stuart,
Mr. James wan by eof agriculture,
Mr. R. PALMER said, the course which had been Garth Marshall, Mr. Wilson Patten, Lord Nugent, Mr.
whyshould herete be any price on waste land at all?
taken rendered it very important that more time should Stafford, Sir Robert Ferguson, Mr. Littleton, Mr. John should re not as soon be a bounty, for the
man who by bard delving and digging had brought
be given for the fall discussion of this question.— Ellis, and Mr. Frederick Peel.
(" Hear," and " Divide.") The intention of the Govern- - BOROUGH JUSTICES.
thehi
ongreatest
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and the previous course of the debate could not have authorise justices of any borough, having a separate The determination of the cases where one or - the other
syste.m ought to be applied, may be a matter stir-
given an idea to those interested in the Universities of gaol, to commit assize prisoners to such gaol, and to ex-
assm the powers of anybody who is likely to take it
the proposition which the Noble Lord was about to tend the jurisdiction of borough justices to all offences
,flake.—(E-Tear, hear.) That proposition involved ques- and matters arising within the borough for which P
tions not only affecting education in the Universities of they act. in hand; but it does not follow that there are not the
the greatest importance, but also legal questions of the WOOD USED IN SHIPBUILDING. two classes of cases, and that it is not useful to be
greatest importance; and on that account he deemed it Mr. MITCHELL moved that the House go into Com- aware of them.
necessary that the ebate should not now close.—(Hear, mittee on this Bill; but, on being requested to postpone And even where an expense was to be involved in
hear.) With regard to the Commission, he conceived it, asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what course the sending of emigrants to distant colonies, it does
that it would be an illegal one. It appeared to he intended to pursue with reference to it when it should not follow too absolutely, that it ought not to be done
contemplase the very thing which King James 11. had be proceeded with? but to the extent to which the expenses can be paid
attempted. The resistance offered to that movement of The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be by the sale of land. Why does a father not refuse to
King James by the college to which he belonged ex- had taken the utmost pains to obtain accurate informa- let his child learn to read, till in some way he sees his
hibited their faithfulness to their statutes and laws,and tion on the subject, and finding that it would be impos-
road to being reimbursed by the child's labour for
he bad no doubt, if a similar visitation were forced on Bible to provide security against frauds in allowing the the ex ease ? Clearl because he sees in his
the Universities, contrary to the law and their statutes, drawbacks proposed by the Hon. Gentleman, he was
p y,
that it would at this day be met with a resistance such compelled to say that he must oppose the Bill. He ad- child's learning a good by itself, a result which, from
as it met with then, and on that ground he moved that milted that the timber duties were in a very unsatisfac- some connexion of things, he is willing to secure
the debate be now adjourned.—(Hear, hear.) tory state, and that his Hon. Friend had most fairly ap- without being paid for it. In the same way it would
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the House would not object plied his attention to the subject.—(Hear, hear.) appear there may be connexions of things in the case
to an adjournment, for he quite admitted that when he Viscount JOCELYN hoped the Hon. Gentleman oceomemmiugnriattyiotno,
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rose the House had had no intimation of his intention. would bring forward the Bill on the earliest
possible day.
—(Hear, hear.) lie thought the Hon. Gentleman was A great number of parties were waiting for tbe result of instant pecuniary return.
mistaken in thinking that it was not competent to the it, to decide whether they should send their ships to be On the same evening a regrettable conclusion took
Crown to issue a Commission. Commissioners so ap- repaired in the Baltic or have them repaired at home.
place in another direction. Theo ppular aspirations
pointed might ask persons to go before them, and the The Noble Lord complained that the Chancellor of the
off a.. Chancellor of the Exchequer are necessarily
persons so invited might, if they were willing, go. The Exchequer had not been courteous in replying to a ques-
fragile flowers, and least of all able to resist cold
power of forcing persons to produce deeds was possibly tion he had that evening put to him on this very impor-
quite another question.—(A laugh.) tent subject. blasts from expected friends. The Chancellor of the
Mr. LA.W threw out for the consideration of the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had in- Exchequer consequently cried peccavi, on his rashly
Noble Lord, in the presence of the Hon. and Learned tended no discourtesy towards the Noble Viscount. All ventured theory some nights ago, that the rich ought
the Attorney and Solicitor-Generals, whether 'it would he had said, when the Noble Lord asked him what be to pay taxes in proportion to their riches. He has
not be placing the Crown in a predicament by forcing on intended to do in the matter, was that the question had conceded to the pressure made on him by nearly all
a reluctant university and on colleges over which they bettor be asked when the Hon. Gentleman who had the Liberals in the House, that they ought to pay
had no jurisdiction an inquiry against their will and charge of the Bill should bring it forward. less. If the wholesome principle, so rich in copse-
consent ? The Noble Lord had experienced the benefit Sir G. PECHELL regretted the decision to which the quences to the poor man, is withdrawn like the morn-
of proNe ling hand in hand with the heads of the Uni- Government had come upon this Bill. in g cloud, it is because the Liberal Members in the
versities in effecting such reforms as were desirable; Mr. HUDSON hoped there would be as little delay as
House would have it so.
for they had been reformed hitherto, not by the juris- possible in proceeding with the measure. The announce-
diction of the Crown, but by the colleges themselves, in- ment of the Right Hon. Baronet would cause very great On Tuesday the night was given to a debate which
yoking the aid of the Crown. What he should contend mortification to the shipping interest. may be attended with important consequences. The
for was this, that, where there was a special visitor of a Mr. MITCHELL would postpone the Committee on motion was for an Address to the Crown to appoint a
college, and that visitor had not failed in his duty, there the Bill till that day fortnight, and he hoped then to Commission of Inquiry into the state of the Uni-
was no jurisdiction in the Crown to issue a Commission assign reasons that would remove the objections of the versities and Colleges of Oxford, Cambridge, and
f Inquiry against the will of the parties ;no power, if Right Hon. Baronet. Dublin. The Conservative benches broached the
the Commission were issued, to enforce the attendance The Committee was postponed accordingly till that doctrine, of the incapacity of the Legislature to take
of witnesses; and, further, no power to effort a change in day fortnight. cognizance of the proceedings of the Church or Uni-
the foundation.—(Hear, hear.) They might just as well The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the •
versities ; which brought out a stark denial from
attempt to change the foundation of every charity in House adjourned at a Quarter past Twelve.
England.—(Hear, hear.) He contended that there was the other side. The Prime Minister finally rose, and
no power without an Act of Parliament of doing that, PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. in the present motion, it was the announced that, without asking tintention h
of Ministers
e House to agree
and without that power the affair would be little more
than a farce. to advise the Crown to appoint a Commission
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL would not have of Inquiry into the two English Universities. The
desired to trouble the House with any observations had Conservatives spoke large words, and likened it to the
by his Hon. and proceedings of James the Second ; forgetting that in
it not been for the doubt thrown out
Leerned Friend the Member for Plymouth (Mr. R. one case the popular feeling was against the Govern-
Palmer), which seemed to be participated in by the ment and in the other with. The Gorham dispute is
Recorder (Mr. Law). He (the Attorney-General) extending its boundaries ; and a quarrel which began
begged the House to understand that it was from no about holy water, is leading to consequences as yet
doubt entertained by his Noble Friend, or by those with unseen.
whose concurrence he acted with regard to the legality
of the proposed Commission, that he had assented to
the adjournment of the debate. He believed that it pre-
ceded from a simple misconception of the nature and
character of the proposed Commission that doubt was
entertained of its legality by any one. If it had been an
Executive Commission to enforce an inquiry, to insist
upon the production of documents, to compel the exami-
nation of witnesses, to alter statutes and make regula-
tions, he concurred with those who thought it would be
illegal, and that they could not attempt to assert any
authority in such a case as the present, unless the Com-
mission were founded upon an Act of Parliament.—
(Hear, hear.) But the Noble Lord had not for a single
moment suggested such a Commission of that nature.—
(Hear, hear.) In reference to a remark made by his Hon.
Friend opposite (Mr. R. Palmer) that there might be
resistance to the production of evidence, his Noble
Friend had merely said that in that case the Commission
could not insist upon the information requested.—(Hear,
hear.) If any Hon. Member really had a doubt of the
legality of a Commission of the kind proposed, he would
remind him of the precedents recently adopted by former
Governments. What was the difference, for instance,
between a Commission such as was now proposed for
the purpose of examining willing witnesses, and docu •
meats willingly produced, and that Commission issued
by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Tam-
worth to inquire into the constitution of the deans and
chapters of England ?—(Hear, hear.) There was also
the case of the Commission which inquired into the mu-
nicipal corporations of England and Wales. In each of
these cases the object of the Commission was not to
make regulations or enforce opinions, but to collect in-
formation from parties willing to afford it, with the view
of inducing the Legislature to found upon that informa-
tion, if necessary, a future Act of Parliament.—(Hear,
hoar.) Upon the information so collected on both these
subjects, the Legislature were ultimately enabled to
found valuable measures ; and it was with the same
view—viz., to facilitate the improvements which were in
progress in the Universities, that the Noble Lord had
suggested the proposed Commission.—(Hear, hear, and
cries of " Divide.")
Mr. BEST maintained that the Universities of Ox-
ford and Cambridge had always had peculiar privileges,
and while he had a seat in that House they should con-
tinue to have them.—(Laughter.) Yes, in spite of the
opposition of Hon. Members on the Ministerial benches
who belonged to all sects, all grades, all bodies, all—he
knew not what to call them—religions, he should sup-
port the Universities through thick and thin.—(Laugh-
ter.) He should therefore oppose the motion of the
Hon. Member for North Lancashire.
Mr. HENLEY was afraid that the explanation of the
Attorney-General would not be very consolatory to the
Universities; for he begged the House to bear in mind
what had followed the inquiries into the municipal cor-
porations, and deans and chapters, to which the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman had referred—(Hear, hear)—
because, if it was the intention of the Government to
follow up this Commission in the same way as those pre-
vious Commissions had been followed up, the learned
bodies connected with the colleges had better be careful
what information they gave, seeing that the object of
the Commission was likely to be, by a bland coun-
tenance and civil words, to fish . out of them
the means of sending them to the right
about when the information was obtained.—(Hear,
hear.) It was very adroit of the Noble Lord to say that
he would separate this inquiry from the question of the
admission of Dissenters into the Universities. It was
as much as to say, " give me the means of inserting the
thin edge of the wedge, and I shall afterwards be able
to achieve the object which Ido not now choose to
avow."—(Hear, hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP, after thanking the Hon. Mem-
ber for Kidderminster (Mr. Best) for the manly course
which he promised to pursue in that House, proceeded to
say that the Noble Lord had on this occasiou adopted an
evasive mode of proceeding similar to that which he
(Colonel Sibthorp) had takes the liberty of characteriz-
ing in humble language on the previous night.—(Laugh-
ter.) The Noble Lord was going to issue another Com-
mission—paid or not he did not care. But he knew what
the Commission would be; it would be self-created as all
Government measures, and it would do no good to the
Universities, whose interests the Noble Lord professed
to have at heart.—(Hear, hear.) It was, as he had
said of some others of their measures, a shuffle—another
Ministerial trick.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the House
would divide and compel Hon. Members to declare them-
selves upon this subject. These were times in which
they ought to know who were sincere and who were not.
He had great respect for the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Member for the University of Cambridge (Mr. Goul-
bourn) but he hoped he would forgive him for saying
that if he and the Peelite section to which he belonged,
had not supported the present Government, they would
not now have had an opportunity of creating another
dirty Commission.—(Laughter.)
Mr. SCULLY, amidst loud cries of "divide," asked
the Noble Lord at the bead of the Government, whether
he intended to include Trinity College, Dublin, in the
proposed measure?
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say, that he
did not thinlc that Trinity College could be conveniently
included.
The House then divided on the question of the ad-
journment of the debate, when there appeared—
Ayes ••• ••• ... ••• 273
Noes ••• •.. ... ... 31
Majority ... ... ... —242
The debate was then adjourned.
SIR THOMAS TURTON'S DEFALCATIONS.
Mr. ROEBUCK moved the appointment of a Select
Committee to inquire into the defalcations occurring
during the registrarship of Sir T. Turtou, Registrar cf
the Supreme Court of Judicature at Bengal, end to re-
port the course which should be adopted in consequence
of those defalcations. There could not be two opinions
as to the claims of the sufferers to be indemnified by
somebody or other.—(Hear, hear.) The Committee
would ascertain who that somebody was by inquiring
into the circumstances of the appointment of Sir T.
Turton, the persons to whom he ought to have ac-
counted, and where the !aches had been.
air J. HOBIIOUSE gave his cordial assent to the mo-
tion— (Hear, hear)—and he had no doubt, as on a si-
milar unhappy occasion in 1828, it would be agreed to

I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
AN OLD REFORMER.
London, 24th April, 1850.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
BATH AND SOMERSET RACES—TuEsneY.
The Lansdowne Trial Stakes of 15 sovs. each, 10 ft, and
50 added; three years old, 7st; four, Bst ?1b; five, 9st;
six and acted, 9st 31b; mares, &c., allowed 3lbB. One

mile. (14 Subs.)
Mr. Rolt's Collingwood, aged (Flatman) 1
Mr. Jenkins's Miss Larkaway, 3 yrs (Byrne) 2
Captain Harvey's Strongbow, 4 yrs (A. Day) 3
Betting-7 to lon Collingwood. Won cleverly by a
length. Run in 1 min. 59 secs.
The Somersctshire Stakes of 25 SOTS. each, 15 ft, and 5
only if declared, with 100 sous. added; the second to
receive 501., and the third to save his stake. Two
miles and a distance. (50 Subs.,l27 of whom declared.)
Mr. Drinkald's Sauter-la-Coupe, Est 61b (Rodney) 1
Duke of Richmond's Halo, 6 yrs, Sat 21b...(Flatman) 2
Mr. Davis's Chorister, 5 yrs, ist 31b...(T. Williams) 3
Captain Archdall's Wiudischgratz, sst 71b ...(Treen) 4
Sir J.B. Mill's Won't-you-come-out-to-night (Cowley) 5
Mr. Fowler's Seagull, 6 yrs, 6st 61b (Evans) 6
Mr. Cowley's Second Sight, 4 yrs, 'ist 21b (Dockeray) 7
Sir J. Hawley's Fernhill, 5 yrs, Sst 91b ...(A. Day) 8
Betting-7 to 4 agst Halo, 3to 1 agst Won't-you-
come-out-to-night, 5 to 1 agst Seagull, 10 to 1 agst
Chorister, and 10 to 1 agst any other. Won easy by
two lengths. Chorister a bad third. Halo broke down.
Run in four minutes six seconds.
Handicap Sweepstakes of 7 sous. each, 3 ft, and 25 added.
One mile. (12 Subs., lof whom declared).
Mr. T. King's Hasta, 4 yrs, 7st 71b (Goater) 1
Mr. E. Griffiths's Hagley, 5 yrs, Bst 71b ...(A. Day) 2
The following also ran: —Captain Crofton's Pell-mell,
6 yrs, Bst (Williams)—Lord Lurgan's Fugitive, aged,
7st 121bk(Whitehouse)—Lord W. Powlett's General
Seidlitz, 3 yrs, 7st 10% (Dockeray)—Captain Harvey's
Ranelagh, 3 yrs, ist 21b (Treen, jun.)—Mr. Goddard's
o:b by Ratcatcher, 3 yrs, 7st (Rodney)—Mr. Roberts's
Pride of Eden, 6 yrs, Tat (T. Byrne)—Mr. E. Fox's
Taunton Dean, 3 yrs, 6st Blb (Ford)—Mr. Harris's Lady
Day, 4 yrs, 6st 51b (Gilbert)—and Captain West's Da-
ndle, 4 yrs, 6st (Cowley).
Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each and 50 added. Heats, one
mile and a half. (5 Subs.)
Captain Pettat's Eagle's Plume... (Wakefield) 4 1 1
Mr. Saxby's Paquita, 4 yrs (W. Treen) 1 3 3
Mr. Parr's Mr. Mantle, 4 yrs (Williams) 24 2
Mr. A. Goddard's cby Ratcatcher (Rodney) 3 2 dr

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COURT CIRCULAR.
The Queen and Prince Albert, accompanied by
the Princess Royal, the Princess Alice, and the
Princess Helena, tcok a drive in an open carriage and
four yesterday. The Equerries in Waiting, Lord
Charles Fitzroy and Lieut.-Colonel Alexander Gordon,
attended on horseback.
His Royal Highness Prince Albert rode out on
horseback yesterday morning, attended by Lieut.-
Colonel F. H. Seymour.
Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales,
Prince Alfred, and the Princess Louisa took their
usual airings yesterday.
Lieut... Colonel the Hon. C. B. Phipps had the
honour of joining the royal dinner party at Bucking-
ham Palace yesterday evening.
Her Majesty's private hand was in attendance in
Buckingham Palace on Monday evening, and per-
formed the following pieces :
Overture in D
Selection, "Jean de Paris" Boieldieu.
Fantasia, " Richard Cccur de Lion"
Minuetto and Finale, Sinfonia, No. 1
Feldbleamlu Walzer
The Marchioness cf Douro has relieved the Vis-
countess Canning in her duties as the Lady in Wai,i ig
to her :Majesty
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, ac-
companied by his Serene Highness Princ Edward
of Saxe Weimar, honoured the Fedora an -!e at her
Majesty's Theatre last evening with her presence.
Her Royal Highness was attended by L Jody Anna
Maria Dawson and Sir George Couper.
His Royal Highness the Duke of C =bridge
honoured the Countess of Jersey with his company on
Monday evening in Berkeley-square.
His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, at-
tended by Major Stephens, honoured Mr. Burford's
Panorama of the Arctic Regions with a visit yester-
day. Hie Royal Highness paid a
.visit on Monday to
Queen Charlotte's Lying-in HoFpatal.
The Committees on Manufactures and Machinery
of the Exhitalon of 1851 had a meeting yesterday
in the new P:dac? of Westminster. There were pre-
sent Mr. T. F. Gibson (Chairman of Manufactures),
Sir J. Guest, Mr. Bazley, Mr. Apsley Pellatt, Mr.
Redgrave, Mr. Townsend, Mr. Morries Stirling, Mr.
J. 11. Vivian, M.P., Professor Cowper, Mr. H. Hope,
Mr. Cubitt (Chairman of Machinery), the Earl of
Rosse, and S_ir John Rennie. Mr. S.-Russell, Secre-
tary to the Royal Commission, attended. Colonel
Reid (Chairman), and Messrs. Cole and Dilke, were
present on the part of the Executive Committee of
the Royal Commission.
Mr. ltawlinson, C.E., had an interview with Earl
Grey yesterday at the Colonial-office.
Viscount Newry and Mr. Kinloch had an inter-
view with Earl Granville yesterday, at the office of
the Railway Commission in the Board of Trade, on
the subject of railway communication in the neigh-
bourhood of the town of Newry.
Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial-
office from the Governors of New South Wales,
Australia, New Ze,aland, the Mauritius, Hong Kong,
Ceylon, and Malta.

CITY OF LONDoN Uruori.—The board of guardians
yesterday resolved to throw open their doors to the public
press, during diseusiion.