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London, England, 1844-08-01 00:00:00

SAVINGS' BANKS BILL.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the third reading of the Savings' Banks Bill ; upon which
Mr. HUME said he had two clauses to propose, to
which he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would have
no objection. The object of the clauses was to prevent
the great increase which was at present taking place in
the amount of deposits, and to confine those establish-
ments to the use for which they were originally intended.
The clauses which he wished to propose were—a clause,
that deposits shall not exceed 20/. in any one year; also
a clause, that when investment amounts to 1501., interest to
cease. He admitted that the Bill was a better Bill than
the last. The only fault in it was that it did not go far
enough.

On motion that the first clause be read a second
time,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
thought it would be inexpedient to accede to the propo-
sition of the Hon. Gentleman. If the amount; of deposits
to be received by the savings, banks was reduced to
201., he thought it would prejudice those very persons
whom it was the object of the Hon. Gentleman to bene-
fit. With regard to the second clause, also, he thought it
would be inexpedient to limit the eatire of a person's
deposits to 150/. The Hon. Gentleman was in error in
supposing that savings' banks were originally intended
to benefit the lowest order of persons. There were per-
sons in a more respectable stati,m, as the children of
poor clergymen, who, he thought, were legitimate ob-
jects to receive the benefits of savings' banks.
Mr. AGLIONBY was sorry that the Right Hon.
Gentleman had not acceded to the second proposition of
the Hon. Member for Montrose.

Mr. DIVETT concurred in the view taken by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer with regard to this sub-
ject, and thought that the class of persons who saved
1501. were just the class of persons whom it was the
object of the Savings Banks' Act to benefit.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none
took place, the clauses having been negatived without a
division.
The Bill was then read a third time.

On the motion that the Bill do pass,
Mr. HAWES said he wished to know from the Right
Hon. Gentleman whether he would on a future occasion
cause an inquiry to be made into the expenses of
managing savings' banks, and if the result showed that
they cou.d be conducted at a less expense than that at
which they appeared to be managed, whether he would
reconsider the amount of allowance to be made to the
trustees?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should first like to see how the measure worked. He
would not then object to make the inquiry to which the
Hon. Gentleman referred.

The Bill was then passed.
MARRIAGES (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion that this Bill be committed.

Colonel RA WDON said he acknowledged this mea-
sure as) a remedial measure, but he thought the Go-
vernment brought it in more as a matter of expediency
than as a twitter of right. It should have been brought
in at an earlier period of the session. On the part of the
Presbyterians of Ireland, he would say that no gratitude
was due to the Government for this measure.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that the Bill was under the
consideration of the Government for a long time. It had
been submitted to a Committee of the House of Lords,
composed of several learned personages in that House.
It was true the Bill was delayed for a long time, but
that was owing to communications which had taken place
with the Presbyterians, and he had hoped, until he heard
the Hon. Gentleman, that the Bill was most satisfactory
to the Presbyterians.—(Hear, hear.) As to the grati-
tude which the Hon. Gentleman talked of, the Govern-
ment wanted the gratitude of no party. They wished
merely to satisfy the reasonable wants and desires of all
parties.

Mr. BOUVERIE was glad that this Bill was intro-
duced, which he thought was a just one ; but he thought
that a syatem of registration ought to be combined
with it.

Mr. SHAW did not think the Presbyterians had a
right to complain.—(Hear, hear.) If any party objected
to the Bill, it should hare been the Established Church ;
but they did not object, because they thought the mea-
sure just.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was very glad that a Bill of
this kind was introduced, but he did not think it was
right that this Bill, and other important measures,
should be delayed till a late period in the session, and
that the Government should then throw the responsibi-
lity of rejecting them on the House of Commons. In
consequence of introducing Bills at so late a period, the
House of Commons would only have to register the
edicts of the House of Lords. It would have to give a
form and sanction to those measures which the Crown
required, but that part of the Constitution which en•
joined on the House of Commons the duty of consider-
ino• measures would appear to be abrogated.
'7fhe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
surprised at what had fallen from the Noble Lord, who
must be well acquainted with the mode in which public
business was conducted. Surely the Noble Lord would
not contend that this Bill and other Bills should receive
the fullest consideration from those who were to be af-
fected by it, and from both Houses of Parliament. If
such a principle were once recognised it would almost
put an end to all deliberative legislation.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he only complained that the
House was put to the alternative of rejecting a Bill good
and useful in itself, or passing it without giving time for
due deliberation.

The House then went into Committee, Mr. GREENE
in the Chair.

Clauses from 1 to 4 inclusive were agreed to.
[LEFT SITTING.]

MARKET NEWS.-(THIS DAY.)
HAT MILTLICETS:
SMITHFIELD. —Coarse Meadow Hay, 31 lOs to 41; use -
ful ditto, 41 4s to 41 Ss ; fine Upland ditto, 4/ lOs to 4/ 15s ;
Clover Hay, 5/ to 6/; Oat Straw, 11 6s to II 8s;
Wheat Straw, 1/ 8s to 1/ lOs per load. Trade on the whole
dull at the above quotations.
CUMBERLAND.—Coarse Meadow Hay 3/ 15s to 4/ 4s ; use-
ful ditto, 41 6s to 4/ 12s ; fine Upland ditto, 4114 s to 4/ 18s ;
Clover Hay, 4/10s to 5/ 15s ; Oat Straw, 1/ 8s to 1/10s ; Wheat
Straw, 1/ lOs to 1/ 123 per load. A moderate supply and a
steady demand.

WHITECHAPEL.—Coarse Meadow Hay, 3! lOs to 4/; use-
ful ditto, 414 s to 4/ 8s ; fine Upland ditto, 4110 s to 4/ 15s ;
Clover Hay, 41 12s to 6/ 6s; Oat Straw, 1/ 6s to I/ 8s;
Wheat Straw, 1/ 8s to 11 lOs per load. Supply good, and
trade firm.

New Meadow Hay produced from 2/ lOs to 31 12s; and
New Clover 4l to 5l 5s per load.
MEAT MARKETS.
SOUTHALL, JULY 31.—We had on sale here to-day a full
average time-of-year supply of each kind of meat, while the
demand was, throughout, heavy, at barely last week's
quotations. Beef, from 3s 2d to 3s 10d ; Mutton, 2s 4d to 4s ;
Lamb, 4s to 4s 10d ; Veal, 3s 4d to 4s; and Pork, 2s 4d to
3s 8d per Blbs. Supply—Beasts, 41; Sheep and Lambs,
3,546 ; Calves, 40 ; Pigs, 50.
RomronD, JULY 31.—Prime Mutton was in demand at
full prices. In other kinds of stock next to nothing was
doing. Beef, from 2s 8d to 3s 8d ; Mutton, 2s 10d to 4s ;
Lamb, 4s to 5s ; Veal, 3s 4d to 4s ; and Pork, 2s 4d to
3s 6d per Blbs. Sucking Calves, 18s to 335; Quarter-old
Store Pigs, 16s to 20s ; and Milch Cows, with their small
calf, 16/ to 191 each.
LEWES, JULY 30.—Beef, from 2s 8d to 3s 10d ; Mutton,
2s 10d to 4s ; Lamb, 3s 10d to 4s 8d ; Veal, 3s 4d to 3s 10d ; and
Pork, 2s 6d to 3s 6d per 81bs. Supply but moderate, and
trade dull.

LLOYD'S SHIPPING.—(THIS DAY.)
LONDON, AUG. I.—Wind, strong westerly breeze and
cloudy. It blew strong with squalls last night.
OFF MARGATE, JULY 31.—Eliza, Baker, St. Vincent's.
DEAL, JULY 31.—Wind A.m. W.N.W., P.M. N.W., fresh and
squally.—Arrd. Anwata, Brown, Batavia for Rotterdam ;
Active, New York for Stettin ; Barbara Gordon, Ritchie,
Tobago ; Lady Hilda, Rounce, Barbadoes ; Margaret Reut,
Coffin, South Seas ; Sarah, Behan, St. John's, New Bruns-
wick ; Asia, Greelores, and Imogen, Quebec ; Wakefield,
Hall, St. John's, New Brunswick ; Lady Seaton and
Sultana, Montreal ; Fear Not, Nassau ; Emma Searle,
Hogan, Prince Edward's Island ; Ottawa, Montreal, put
back ; Duke of Roxburgh for the Cape and Madras. Sld.
Switzerland, New York. The Ottawa, in the Downs, from
Montreal, passed several small icebergs, 9th inst., lat. 46, lon.
47. The Dutch ship Elizabeth and Antionette, proceeded to
London for repair.
RYE, JULY 31.—The Marianne, of Hastings, delivering
part of cargo (coal) at that port yesterday, came off, and
drove ashore to the eastward of the harbour, and is expected
to become a wreck.
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7l.)—Anw'rsitotrr7l,JULY 31.—1 t blew a gale from W. to W.S.W.
yesterday, with a heavy sea in the Channel. Several slit
took shelter in Torbay.
OFF EASTBOURNE, JULY 27.—Amata, Brown, Batavia for
Rotterdam ; Colonist, Surinam, for Amsterdam.
BRISTOL, JULY 30.—The wreck of a brig, of about 200 tons,
with a billet-head, painted yellow, decks gone, foremast
standing, and both anchors lashed in the bows, was passed
29th ult., lat. 48, lon. 31, by the James and Mary, arrived
here.
BELFAST, JULY 27.—Arrd. Robert Kerr, Agnew, Ichaboe.
29.—Don, Carlton, and Cranhook, Quebec; Retreat, Aleen,
Miramichi. Sld. Two Brothers, Quebec.
BARNSTAPLE, JULY 31.—Arrd. British Lady, Redmore,
Prince Edward's Island.
HULL, JULY 29.—Std. Venerable, St. John's New Bruns-
wick.
NEWPORT, JULY 29.—S1d. Stately, Grenada.
POOLE, JULY 29 —Sid. Anglicana, Quebec.
ST. IVES, JULY 29.—Arrd. Victoria, Quebec.
TRALEE, JULY 29 —Sld Britannia, Quebec.
FROME, JULY 27.—S1d. Springfield, Quebec.
LEITH, JULY 29.—Arrd. Aid, Fellman, Dalhousie.
LIVERPOOL, JULY 31.—Wind N.W., fresh.—Arrd. Napo-
leon, Moller, Callao ; Pennsylvania, New Orleans, with much
damage, having been ashore near Brubo ; Peningham,
Green, Laguna; Maitland, Killam, Eleuthera; Glendower,
New Orleans; Sir E. Howell and Viola, Jamieson, Mobile;
Sir Howard Douglas, Savannah ; Margaret Pollok, and
Royalist, Lawson, St. John's, New Brunswick ; George,
Finch, Miramichi ' • Atalanta and George Ramsey, Montreal ;
Jane Augusta and Calcutta, Lingard, Quebec, the latter with
several feet of water in her hold, having been struck by a
sea about a week since ; Cynthia, Goldsmith, and Margaret
Ann, Cole, Newfoundland.

EMIGRATION TO AMERlCA.—Tuesday forenoon the
American line-of-packet ship Switzerland, 550 tons register,
Captain Knight, sailed from the St. Katharine's Dock for
New York. She takes out about 60 emigrants, among whom
are several farmers of limited capital. The steerage passen-
gers consist chiefly of agricultural labourers from the neigh-
Boca, Kent, awl Sussex.