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lieg=e that.the GOVernment were sincere in the profes-
gion4 of impartiality which they had. madea The Noble
Earl (Haden)
.Who had been Grand Mager of' • the
Orange lodges, and whose conduct' had been precisely
similar to that of Mr. Holt Waring, had not been ap-
pointed to the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland, yet there
would have been:the same consistency in suck an; ap--
pointment as thit.of 'Mr. Holt Waring to the .deanery of
DroMore. . -
Lord..WFLAHNCLIFFE—It would have been better if
the Noble Lord had refrained from raking up matters
Which hadbdetiffed 20 or 211 yearsi 'age. He thottght't4at;.
especially at the present time, it was better to forget
a these -t:10: HalkWaring had submitted l!eapect-
fully to the resolution of the House of Commons, and
had acted the spir4.7of..that. resolution. With re-.
spec tto the charges made against the resent Govern-
ment, regarding, Ultiuro appointments. in
_lreland, they
had not made one t vey.:viere -ashamed of; or which they
were not prepared to justify ' . .
Lord CAMPBELL obser'ved that the Noble• Earl had
stated that 111 i; Holt Waring was appointed at a time
when there was no agitationin' Ireland; -•- "
-Earl of RIPON-4 did not'say-so. :
LortlC-AMPBEfkL-L,YOu said, when there was little
agitation in Ireland.- ,
Earl of RIPON-=What I'Said.was .•

• Lord CAMPBELL -1-I beg tfie:NOble Earl's pardon ;
he certainly' did say that the appointment had.,been
made ate time when there was little agitation. IThweVer,
I shall be. very happy to hear 'the Noble Earl's expla-
nation. .
Earl of RIPON—Oh, no ! The Neble Lord may say
what he likes—l will not interrupt, him.
Lord CAMPBELL was sorry if he had misunderstood
tho Noble EarL The: Noble Lord had attempted to
defend' the Irish Church appointments, but the fact was;
those appointments' had_ been very much calculated'to
give 'offence to theßoman Catholic population of Ireland.
The policy of the GOvernment'and the manner in which
it exercised its patronage, had been one otthe causes of
the present lamentable agitation and excitement in Ire-
larid.--4Laughter Cran, the. Ministerial benches.) ''Mr.
Holt Waring, siti6e *the year 1825, had expressed semi
-
Merits against the Roman Catholics as a body-- of a
most offensive character. He (Lord Campbell) did not
deny that in fspq hp • had 'done his-best te'diseourage
the. Orangelodges. So far so well that did not
give any. ground for supposing that-he •had changed his
opinions with regard to the Catholics-:-that he respected
their rights more than he had previously-done—or that
be-was live in peace and kindness with them.
Thero was TIO evi.de.nce 'that his opinions or his views had
beenn-altered ; and he (Lord Campbell) still thought his
appointment highly,censurable;'and that the public e as
under 'obligation'tp his Noble Friend behind him .for
bringing the matter under the attention of the HeuSe. •
' The' Duke of WELLLINGTON would just renal .to
the lion. and Learned Lord's reeollettion that which
had been stated by a' friend of his, but which the Noble
and Learned Lord seemed wholly to have forgotten.
And.that *ea, -that :this' gentleman was recommended
- for appoietMent to the office he now held. The. chap-
ter of Dromoi-e had petitioned for an extension to their
body, and •the Lords Justices, in compliance with that.
petition, had given them-the advantage of a dean to their
body. YThere had been a petition fOr this addition to
that, clerical-body, and that clerical body itself had re-
doinitiended Mr. liolt Waring, and solicited his nomina-
tion to- it 'This- had all been left out of the ease, So
necessary.was it to run down the ReVerend Gentleman
fbri'What he said nineteen years ago, that those lit-
tle bUt essential •facts'were entirely left cut of their con-
sideration by, the Noble' Lords Opposite. . •
-', The '3lfirquis pf.,WESTMEATH said, it was the'Ob-
jectofthe'Noble Leila 61)1306te to get up, if they could,.
ti complication of grievances in Ireland, in order to party
effect out of doors. In this instance he was' far frOM
hieing astonished at what hid taken Afte!/ seeing from
What quarter the'proeeedingS had come. BUt he begged
to -tell, the Noble' L6rdi, oppoilte, that these things were
Most injurious to the peace of fire-sides in Ireland. "It
was moat- injurious to, the, peace and safety
of families, that' all- • these appointments of the
Government should 'be -held Up- in. this
,invidiOus
Manner. - What could -be More .unfair' than -to
allude towhathad taken plaCe four yPers before Catholic
emancipation; for the ,purpose of calling down public':
odium upon an individual? ;ibthing -but the most un-.
handsome feeling could hi+efutgested to take'up what
had been Said previous to theteessing of that' measure.
When that Bill passed' into a last* they had entered upon
a new era, and -from that era Noble Lords ought
rather. to judge the acts of individuals than before it..
The 7 Noble and Learned Lord Campbell had said that
• the appointment - of. kr. Holt Waring. had been_'.doTi•
sidered by the Roman Catholies as an insult, and that
it had been a great cause in the prothotion of the cry
for repeal. Now he (Lord Westmeath) had 'reed every
word that had been published in the newspapers con.
oerning the :Proceedings of the Repeal Association,. 'and
he declared he had never seen the WY. Dean'anitine
ever mentioned-in them. But in what position did the
Noble Lord.(Monteagle) stand, who Vit.B then so ready
to -attack others ? That was his pesition, he asked, in
'respect of the public purse ? Who was there that could
not remember that aortae time ago there was an old man,
who' held . a *Patent 'office, with a salary. of 2,000/. a
year, and that; old' as he was, the Noble LOrd was
afraid he would outlive the tottering Administra-
tion with which'. the Noble Lard was so 'long
Connected ? What happened then ? This old
gentleman- was pensioned off, in' order that that
Noble Lord might succeed to that patent office before
that miserable Government was drlven from power.
Those were facts ; and he could not help telling the
Noble Lord that, in his opinion; the two words, " Holt
Waring," looked -as well attached to this underhand"
deanery, Els:ever did those of ":'Spring 'Rice" to a pen-
sioned _.
pe•erage.-.--( At the conclnsion'of theie wOrds t ere
were cries' of " Order,' order i" and the Dtike of'Rivh-
.
Rich-
niond was seen' to go round to. the bench were the Earl
of Westmeath sat, and to'enter into conversation with
that Noble Lard.)
Lord MONTEAGLE said "he `should not say .one.
word on the taste which had been 'displaYed ,by the
Noble Earl who had last spoken,'nor make any personal
observation in reply. to him. He shouldmerely say that
he treated with the nipst utter' unconcern--not to use
any harsher:or less Parliamentary -term—what had been
uttered by. that Noble Lord against hiniself. He 'should
of have brought forward' his, present ination -if he had
not•thought it his duty to 'do so, Before giving notice'
of it ho had 'carefully looked over the rules laid down by
nnicaiantd with the
Sir Robert Peel himself; to. regulate his conductwith re-
'he considered
ti)e principle and the Conduk
gard to Church appointments, and he, had compared the
this appointmentit his duty 'to
nth44itn..doing,so,: his'object had net
cworecßei:eatlvheeeinrZim.ecineoardn;Gituileointullse
teen to say • anything adverse to that Reverend Gentle-
Man, but to get a justification from , the
.G overnmeht for
their conduct.. Ile, for one, did not regret having made
the motion. • =
The Duke ,of -,RICHMONP said he did not rise 'to
subject, but to
speak on the o er a'suggestion on an
expression._ or twd. Which in-theheat of debate had un-
fortunately fallen from a Noble Marquis on
.his
From that Noble -Marquis expressions had fallen in
the heat of debiite ,which certainly partoOk of a per;_
sonal character, and which, all must regret the use -
of.—(Hear, hear,.) Latterly, ip;fle.:,ocpurrences Of a
similar nature had:taken place in that. House, which he
!Va.'s greatly afraid would` give'reasOn,to the pablie-to say'
that. there was not the dignity and decorum which ought
ever_ to characterise their ,i;:il;hips' proceedings.--:
(Hear; hear) lle asked how could the. country: look
up to -thein- with ren)eet. if they did not try to. keep
their, tempers, and ota• carry -on their proceedings.with
mutual forbearance.aud decorum?--(Hear, heal%) He
!really should recommend the lgi)bie Earl t-, say; that in
the-heat of debate lie had . used. remarks of a personal
nature, which he.regretted to, have done.--(Year, hear,)
The Marquis Of WESTMEATH said, that haying
been cAled upon the Nplile Duke (Richmond) iii the
handsome way, which he had been, he begged to say he
brad no desire to show any. disorderly feeling.in the con-
duct of the business•of that House. •Ite: certainly did.
feel very much as- to the mischief caused in Ireland to
the peace and safety 'effainiliej by the constant disclia-
;sions on the subjects brought under their noticeby•Noble
;Lords 'opposite. Following, ho•wever, the advice so kindly'
tendered to him by-the yobb Duke (Richmond),•he had
Ino objection to State his regret, that; in speaking on.the
;matter beforethe House, he had 'exceeded the. bounds of
fair discussion, and that what had fallen from him he re-
vetted. ) - _ • . ,
.; • •
The motion was then withdrawn by leave, and the
IHonse adjouriled:. • r• - • -

HOPS.E comillo2vg; Feb. 22.
the -.I6EAREII, took the Chair at the-usual
Several yetitiOns were • presented for leave to,obtain-
private'Bills.- - ••• • _ •
, bir. ESTcovitT:brouglit up the report of the Com..
!mittee on-Standing Orders.
! Mr. W. PATTEN- presented,, a_ petition from : the-
Board of. Guardians in Lancaster, complaining of the
I operation. of the bastardy. clause of the New Voor!law,
Bill: : • • ; , , , . . • . -
Lord
,POLLINGTON presented .a petition. from 4
body of lieenSed victuallers 'deprecating, the increase of
railways, and prayineto be relieved from the 'burdens;
imposed upon them. • •
Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Coventry
deprecating liar as inconsistent with the spirit of Chris-
! tianity, and complaining of the •great expenditure' of,
the public money in keeping.tip.a,large standing army. -
Mr;,S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from [tech-
' dale:, ,complaining 'of -inadequate • representation' and
other'grievatices. -The 'Hon. Member said; he felt it his
duty to state'that the. heading-of the petition was not in
the usual foim. • Jr was addressed' "To the 'representa-
tives in the Commons House of 'Parliament of the
.950,000 British subjects, who at present postiess the
right of 'exercising the electciral franchise."
The SPEAKER -said,- that if the House received the
petition; it wonktinaply that they,did not represent the
country at large. '1 he language not-being respectful to
the Ifoli§e, irthe Him.' Member wished it to be received
he had -better take the sense 'of the house on the•motiou
thatir be brought up. • "- •
Mr. S. CRAWFORD -said that.after that intimation
he would withdraw the petition.
Mr:WALLACE Presented a petition from 2,033 o-pe.
ratite bleachers in the west of Scotland, complaining of
the mode in which their business is now conducted, as in-
jurious to health, and praying to be included in the Faefory '
Act. The Heti: G entienian'also presented a petition-from
the same place; signed by 4,648-persons, confirming the
statemeatal made in the other petition. He.gate notice
that he should to-morrow move that these petitions lie
Printed Vith• the Votes, with a view. to uniotion to 'place
the petitioners within the operation of the Fantories
now befwe tare House.
GIBgON ,presented'- 'a petition against -thell
Gaming Penalties' Disabilities Bill..• -- •
r7egthuoiaftlieltahreehpethrieoacsonfosirdheroaldintiong oq
quarter
-ifttind
Mr. PAKINGTON said he should; tto,Slpone.:t•.tti
fualiritserß-silela
and boroughs.
Dr. DOWRING announced Ida intention of postponing