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tin's several times outside the door. The first time
would be a few days bef ire the explosion. I fancy
I have seen that man (Barrett) there, when he
went in with the carman when he carried the barrel

of gunpowder.
Mr. Poland—Did you see the barrel carried in.
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Poland—Did you know wbat it was ?
Witness—No, sir.
Mr. Poland—Have you seen other men at Mrs.
Martin's ?

Witness—Oh, yes, sir. Before the explosion
three or four men were continually going in and
out Mrs. Martin's place. I did not notice English
there the day the barrel was brought. The other
men I have spoken of seemed friendly with Eng-
lish. They always spoke when they met him.
English used to be in and out Mrs. Martin's at all
times during, the day. Since the explosion I have
not seen so many people call at Mrs. Martin's.
Clarissa de Fois—My husband is a Frenchman,
and collects advertisements for a French newspaper.
Before the explosion at Clerkenwell I have seen
English visit Mrs. Martin's house. I first observed
him to come five or six weeks before the explosion,
but ever since Mrs. Martin has been there men have
visited the house frequently. They used to come
two or three together. English used to come very
frequently. Since the explosion there have not been
so many visitors to Mrs. Martin's. I have fre-
quently seen English talk to Mrs. Martin ; but all
those who visited seemed to be friendly, as they all

talked together when they met. The middle one
(O'Keefe's) features strike me.
O'Keefe—l live in the street adjoining.
Mr. Poland—Cannot you recognise any more
than you have already pointed out ?
Witness—No, sir.
Mr. Lewis—Did you know O'Keefe to be a near
neighbour of yours ?
Witness—No, sir. _ _

Elizabeth Butters—My husband's name is Charles,
he is a smith, and we reside at No. 2, Pulteney-
court. I know Mrs. Martin's shop well. Before

the explosion at Clerkenwell I have frequently seen
men come there.

Mr. Poland—Just look at the prisoners and say
which you recognise ?
Witness—l have seen that man (English) there.
English—ln the shop?
Witness—Yes, in the shop.
English—Mind what you're swearing.
Sir T. Henry—You have a solicitor, you had
better leave your case in his hands.
English-1 don't know Mrs. Martin.
Sir T. Henry—Take down that observation.
Witness concluded—l have seen him (English)
there some time previous to the explosion. I cannot
recognise any of the other prisoners as actually
visiting Mrs. Martin's shop, but I have seen that
man (Jackson) at the top of the court previous to
the explosion.
Mr. Harper (for the Desmonds and English)—
How long has Mrs. Martin lived in Pulteney-court?
Witness—About 10 months. Their shop was a
greengrocer's, but a great many men came there
without purchasing. I have also seen women come
there. I have not seen English come there since
the explosion. The men who used to visit before
that affair have not come since it occurred.
By Mr. Lewis (for Barrett)—l think it would be
two or three months before the explosion that I
last saw Barrett there.
Re-examined by Mr. Giffard--The reason I say
the men have not come to purchase greengrocery at
Mrs. Martin's is that I have never seen them carry
any vegetables away. The men used to come and
go into the parlour frequently many times a day. I
have not seen that kind of thing going on since the
explosion.
Thomas Kingsley—l live at No. 8, Pulteney-court.
I know the first man (Barrett). I have seen him at
Mrs. Martin's—the same house that I live in. I re-
collect hearing of the blowing up of the House of
Detention. I heard of it the day after it occurred.
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before the explosion.
Mr. Poland—Look at the prisoners, and say
whether you recognise any of the men in the dock
as the person who was with him.
Witness—To the best of my belief that man
(Barrett) was the person, but J. should not like to
swear to him.
Mrs. Butters recalled—l now recognise that man
with the long beard (William Desmond).
William Desmond—lf ever God cursed al% oman,
he'll curse you, you false swearing woman.
Sir T. Henry—You bad better be quiet ; you
have counsel.
Mr. Lewis—Have you ever seen O'Keefe at Mrs.
Martin's ?
Witness—No.
Mary Ann Page recalled—l can now recognise
another man as visiting Mrs. Martin's. It is the
man with the long red beard (William Desmond).
I saw him there about a week before the explosion
He was there several times during that time.
Mr.lliarper (for William Desmond)--You were
asked before in your first examination to point out
all the prisoners you knew. Why did you not point
out William Desmond then?
Witness—l was not asked, and therefore did not
like to say. I don't know why I did not do so on
the first occasion. I can safely say that William
Desmond was at Mrs. Martin's shop.
Mr. Lewis—Can you identify any more ?
Witness—l am familiar with the faces of all.
Mr. Lewis—What, the prisoner
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their faces.
Mr. Harper—After you left the box on the first
Occasion, who spoke to you about the evidence you
had just given ?
Witness—No one. I spoke to one of the wit-
nesses up stairs, a woman. I said I knew Desmond,
and then I was told to come down stairs again by
that gentleman (Mr. Poland)..
Mrs. de Fois (recalled)—I can now identify
William Desmond as being one of the visitors to
Mrs. Martin's house.
Ann Stringfellow—My husband's name is Henry
—he is a baker. We live at No. 3, Wingrove-
place, Clerkenwell. I recollect the day of the explo-
sion. Before it occurred I had noticed a mau at the
corner of Woodbridge-street for about a month
previously. I thought he was a detective from the
fact of seeing him day after day at the same place.
I noticed his dress particularly. On one occasion
he had on a long brown coat and wide-awake hat ;
ou another I saw him with a darker coat on, and
wearing a mixed straw hat. He appeared to be
merely looking about. He crossed to different
corners of the street, and at any time he was not
far from the prison wall.
Air. Poland—Look at the prisoners, and Pay to

noon.

English—All right ; some other parties have
sworn that I was at Clerkenwell at that time.
Sir T. Henry—You had better be quiet.
Mr. Harper (to English)—lf you don't remain
quiet I shall throw up your defence.
English—All right, sir, I'll be quiet.
Charles Morely recalled ;
Mr. Poland--Now look at the prisoners and say
whether you see the man who lighted the barrel.
Witness—That man there (Barrett).
Mr. Poland—You are certain that is the man
that lighted the squib ?
Sir T. Henry—The boy said, " Lighted the bar-
rel."

Mr. Poland-1 thought he said lighted the squib.
Sir T. Henry—No, he said " barrel."
Mr. Harper—What sort of an appearance did the
man then have ?
Witness—A long beard, and it came down here
(putting his hand to both sides of his cheeks). He
also had big eyes.
Henry Bird recalled.
Mr. Giffard—You have said in your evidence
that you saw a man light the barrel. Do you see
that man here to-day ?
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Giffard.—Which is him ?
Witness—That one (Barrett.) I described him
in my evidence.
Mr. Lewis—What was your description ?
Witness—He had a long beard, and the same
flush on his cheek that he has now. He wore on
the occasion a long brown coat.
Mr. Lewis—Have you seen O'Neil before?
Witness—Yes.
Mr. Lewis—Where ?
Witness—At the Millbank Prison.
Mr. Lewis—And then you identified him as the
man that fired the barrel ?
Witness—Yes, I did, but I did not on the occa-
sion turn the men round.
Mr. Lewis—The men were all standing
together.
Witness—Yes ; but I had not the opportunity of
turning the men round, or I should not have made
the mistake on the first occasion.
Mr. Giffard—Did you ever positively identify
O'Neil?
Witness—After I had turned both men round, I
said I preferred Barrett to O'Neil. I said O'Neli
was the person before I had turned Barrett round.
After I had turned Barrett round I felt he was the
man?
Sir T. Henry—Then you have no doubt now that
Barrett is the man.
Witness—No. I have no doubt he is the man.
I won't swear, although I have no doubt in my
own mind that he is the man. I know him by the
colour of his hair and the long brown coat.
Mr. Giffard—You have been only asked about
the man that fired the barrel. Do you see anybody
else in the dock that you know ?
Witness—Yes, Timothy Desmond.
drawing the truck. I have said so before.
Isaac Hallom recalled.
Mr. Poland (to witness)—In your former evi-
dence you have bpokeu of a man you saw assisting
another to take a barrel out of the truck and throw
a cloth over it. Do you see that person in court ?
Witness—Yes ; to the best of my belief the first
man there is him (Barrett.) He is different in ap-
pearance now. On the occasion of my first seeing
him he had his whiskers cut out from under Ilia
chin ; no moustache, or very little, if any.
Mr. Poland—That was on the afternoon of the
explosion?
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Lewis—You are quite sure the man did not
have a beard all round ?
Witness—Yes, quite sure.
Mr. Giffard—Were his whiskers cut out in any
particular way.
Witness—They were cat out very tastefully, and
a person looking at him sideways could not see they
were cut from under the chin. 1 turned round on
the occasion, however, and had a good look at him.
William Scott, 27, Castle-street, Holborn, said—
On the day after the explosion I was directed to
take care of No. 5 and No. 7, Corporation-lane, the
two houses damaged by the explosion. On Satur-
day, the 21st Dec., I was walking over the bricks and
the rubbish in the prison exercising ground, and
amongst them I found a ball. It was inside the
prison that I picked up the ball. I gave it to the
policeman named Knowles.
Mr. Lewis—What sort of ball was it?
Witness—A white racket ball made of leather.
Inspector Thomson_l have two balls, Sir
Thomas,
in my possession, but not one with me in
court.

lie was

Sir T. Henry—They must be produced on the
next occasion.
Constable Knowles—l received a small white ball
from the last witness, and I gave it to Inspector
Thomson.

Thomas Buggins—l live at 22, Penton-street,
Pentonville, and I am an assistant to a clockmaker.
On the Saturday after the explosion I went on the
top of our workshop, No. I, Rosoman-street, to see
if any injury bad been done, and there I found half
a stave of a barrel. It smelt very strongly of pa-
raffine. I gave it to Inspector Potter.
Inspector Potter, of the G division—l received
from the last witness part of a stave of a barrel on
the Saturday after the explosion. I produced it in
court. I afterwards found three smaller pieces of
a barrel ; each had the same smell as the half stave
I have now before me. I also received another bit
from a tradesman in Rosoman-street, all of which I
have given to Inspector Thomson.
Constable Slocum, 186 A, reserve—l produce a
perfect stave of a barrel. I found it, the Sunday
after the explosion, under the prison wall, about five
yards from the spot at which the explosion took
place.
The case was proceeding when we went to press.

We are happy to state that the improvement in
Lord Derby's hjalth continues, and that there is every ex-
pectation that the noble Premier will take his seat among
the Peers on the opening of Parliament.
CALLS TO THE BAR. —LINCOLN'S LIN, Jan. 27.
The undermentioned gentlemen were this day called to
the degree of barrister-at-law by the Honourable Society
of Lincoln's Inn, viz. : —The Hon. Charles Arthur Ellis,
Oxford ; Marcus Trevelyan Martin, Esq., LL.B., Cam-
bridge ; William Cole Pendarves, Esq., 8.A., Oxford ;
lward Denison, Esq., M.A., Oxford ; Edward Wilkin-
son, Esq., 8.A., Oxford ; William Hilary Baliol do Mo-
lines, Esq., 8.A., Oxford ; Archibald John Mackey, Esq.
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8.A., Cambridge ; James Marshall, Esq., M.A., Oxford
John Dixon, Esq., of Sheffield ; and Job Bradford, jun.;
Esq., LL.B., London. MIDDLE TEMPLE, Jan. 27.—The
undermentioned gentlemen were this day called to the
dagreo of the Utter Bar by the Honourable Society of the
Middle Temple :—Liudsey Middleton Aspland, Esq., M.A.,
LL.D., of the University of London, Follow of University
College, holder of a certificate of honour awarded by the
Council of Legal Education, Michael:vas Term, 1865 ;
Henry David Greene, Esq., 8.A., LL.B., of Trinity College,
Cambridge ; the Hon. Walter John Bethel!, 8.A., of
Balliol College, Oxford; Hubert Thomas Knox, Esq.;
Robert Casswell, Esq., 8.A., of Trinity Hall, Cambridge;
William Millwood, Esq., 8.A., of Pembroke College,
Oxford ; Robert Frank Stone, Esq. ; Nicholas Flood
Davin, Esq. ; and John Timbrell Pierce, Esq. GRAY'S
INN, Jan. 27.—At a pension holden this day, Croft Wor-
gan Dew, of Jesus College, Cambridge, M.A., the second
son of the late Rev. John Worgan Dew, P.C., curate of St.
James's, Halifax, Yorkshire, was called to the degree of
barrister-at-law.

Mr. Lewis appeared on behalf of Baron Blom, to
repudiate the charge of any such attempt being
made by the llanoverians as had been alleged by
the prisoner Victor.
llermin Reek said—l am cleik in the office of
the Prussian Embassy. On the Bth of January the
prisoner Victor came to the Embassy and said be
had a secret to tell, but that lie was in a destitute
condition. I cominunicatA with Baron Schmithals,
and when the pris rmer called again on the 10th of
January he said that a conspiracy was iu progress,
and that a man named Enerick w_ts going to
Berlin to assassinate the King of Prussia, and he
had Orsini bombs in his possession. lie said that
Emerick was the head of a conspiracy. As Victor
repeated he was much in uced I gave him money
for the information he had communicated,
certainly not as charity. Every time Victor came
he asked for money, as he could not be expected to
come without being paid, nor could he go to the dif-
ferent gentlemen from whom he could procure in-
formation without remuneration. I told Victor that
if his information was correct he would receive
an adequate reward. He led me to believe that he
was enabled to give such information as would lead
to the apprehension of Emerick before the plot was
put into formation.
The prisoner Victor said the money he got from
the witness was not for what he had stated, but that
in fact it was as charitable relief, and that the wit-
ness never gave him any money without his asking
for it.

Baron Schmithals said—l recollect the prisoner
Victor coming to me on the Bth of January, at the
Prussian Embassy. He sent in a letter, and then I
allowed Victor to have an interview. lie said he
had been in London about six months, and I wrote
down a statement from the 'prisoner's dictation,
which he signed. The prisoner also handed me a
letter. On the following day he called again and
made another statement, which 1 also took down.
I also received a number of letters from the Bth to
the 18th of January; but I am not aware who
brought them. I received them from my servants;
the prisoner, however, when he called, invariably
asked whether I had received his letters.
Mr. Kneip said he lived at Hinde-street, Man-
chester-square, with Baron Klink, and was totally
unacquainted with either of the prisoners.
Baron Blom—l now reside in Half Moon-street,
Piccadilly. I have some recollection of one of the
prisoners coming to me begging. I have never
authorised him in any way to make use of my
name.
Louisa Lavis said—l recollect the prisoner
Victor coming to 14, Hinde-street, Manchester-
square, and he asked whether a gentleman named
Emerick lived there. I told him there was not, but
that two other German gentlemen resided there—
Mr. Kneip and Baron Klink.
Police-constable Rhymus—l am in the A reserve.
The prisoner Victor came to me a short time ago,
and told me he had been living with a man
named Emerick, who had been a soldier in the
llanoverian army, and that six months ago he had
arrived from Paris. lie said Emerick was always
very mysterious in his manner and hard up, and
that he had supported him for some time.
Emerick, however, had at last told him
that he was going to Berlin to assassinate
the King of Prussia, and that he had brought Orsini
shells from Paris for the purpose. Victor went on
to state that during the last four months Emerick's
condition had greatly altered, that he had now fine
clothes and plenty of money. lle (Emerick) told
him that the money had been given to him by Baron
Blom and two German gentlemen, who lived near

the square. I asked him if he could show me the
residence of the gentlemen referred to, and he said
he could. Prisoner Victor said he could prove all he
had stated, and he then asked me if he should get
a reward. I told him if it was true he
would, as the information was very valu-
able. I next saw him at his lodgings in
Whitechapel, where he repeated his statement;
and I then asked him if he could introduce me to
the other men who knew Emerick, but he said he
could not. I next saw Victor on the loth, when
he asked me to recommend him to the Prussian Am-
bassador for some clothes, as he could not prove
his statement without he was respectably dressed.
He told me he used to go to the houses of Baron
Blom and the two German gentlemen very fre-
quently. I asked him if he could give me the
Baron's address, and he said Eaton-place, which I
knew was not the case. I saw the prisoner again
on the 16th of January at the Prussian Embassy,
and he there repeated his statement. I accom-
panied Mr. Kneip to the Cafe Itoyal a few days
ago, and whilst there I saw Victor put his head in.
I went out, when Victor said, "I can now introduce
you to another gentleman who knew Emerick."
Victor took me to the London Pavilion,
and on our way he told me he had
found out the house where the two
gentlemen lived of whom he had spoken.
I asked him if he had been there, to which he re-
plied he had. We saw a Polish Jew at the Pavi-
lion, and he gave me a description of Emerick, but
it differed entirely from that given by the prisoner
Victor. This man said Emerick lived in Leicester-
square. I observed that Victor and the man we
were talking with were making signs, and then I
watched them more narrowly. I asked the Jew
for his address, when he said a letter would find him
if left at Gatti's. The next time I went to the
Prussian Embassy I saw the other prisoner,
Fordore, there. I asked him what he did there, and
he said he had come from his friend Victor. I
asked him where Victor was, to which he replied,
" He's come up from Wbitechapel, and that he was
close by in a public-house in King-street." I
said, "What's he doing there?" To which he said he
only wrote the letter which he had just delivered. I
said "Then you know the contents of the letter," and
he replied in the affirmative. I then left the house in
company with Fordore, taking with me a bag con-
taining clothes as a blind to insure Victor speaking to
me. I saw Victor, and feeling that I could not ap-
prehend both, I made an excuse to get them both
back to the Prussian Embassy, and on arriving
there I told both prisoners I was a police officer,
and that I should take them into custody on a
charge of conspiring to defraud the Prussian Am-
bassador. After I had cautioned them Victor said,
" That is no charge at all, and I will make some-
body pay for this." On Fordore I found a letter, in
Victor's handwriting.
Fordore said all he knew about the matter was
that he took a letter from Victor, and that he did
not know that there was any thing wrong in it.
Mr. Flower said that all that was said against
the prisoner Fordore was that he had carried the
letters, which any innocent person might have
done.

The constable said he thought the prisoner was
merely the tool of the other prisoner, Victor.
Mr. Abrams was quite prepared to leave Fordcre
to be dealt with at once.
Mr. Flower said there was nothing to implicate
him seriously in the case, therefore he should order
him to be discharged.
Mr. Abrams—That is all the evidence I hAve to
offer.
Mr. Flower then fully committed the prisoner
Victor for trial.
Mr. Lewis then charged the prisoner with falsely
libelling Baron Blom, and called some of the former
witnesses to repeat their evidence.
Baron Schmithals—l am secretary to the Prus-
sian Embassy—On the Bth of July the prisoner
made the following statement to me at the Em-
bassy, which he afterwards signed :
" I lodged here in London for upwards of six
months with a certain Wilhelm Emerick, who atated
himself to be au Hanoverian officer, and that he had
arrived from Paris. At first this person was en-
tirely without =oafs, but after awhile roccind