The Sun.
London, England, 1850-06-12 00:00:00

Tallow have been operated in with caution, and
prices are r ding. At auction 400 pkgs of wrecked
Petersburgh Mollgold at 333 9d to 35s 6d ; 300 casks
Sydney 33s to 36s ; 12 pkgs Galatz 36s to 36s 64;
and 700 pkgs South American at 32s 9d to 36s per cwt.
There is very little difference in stock of Foreign or Colonial
as compared with the past year, and prices rule is 6d to
2s per cwt lower. ...,For auction the quantity declared is
1,600 pkgs for Friday. Rough Fat is freely offered at 2s
per stone.
OlLS.—Although there are sellers of Linseed Oil at a fur-
ther reduction, yet home dealers operate with caution, and
the export orders completed have been small, whilst
prices rule at 29e to 29s 3d per cwt. Few
contracts have been entered into for. delivery, but
lower rates are not looked for, as supplies have decreased,
ant consumption continues of a satisfactory nature. Rape-
seed Oil is cheaper, and few buyers are to be met with, as
large parcels are on offer; pale is OA-linable at 36s
to 36s 6d, brown 25s to 35s 6d, and Foreign Refined
at 37s to 37s 6d. Palm met with less demand, and pre-
vious rates are barely sustained, although supply is
not much larger than in the previous week, and 30s
to 35s 6d is the value of fine quality. In Cocoa Nut Oil a
good deal has been done by private treaty, prices are, how-
ever, much the same as previously. About 300 tons have
been sold, good and fine Cochin and Ceylon at 29s to 32s per
cwt. The public sales of 400 packages went at 28s to 28s 9d
for Bombay, and at Os to 31s for Ceylon and
Cochin. Olive has further fallen in value, and opera-
tions have been upon a limited scale ; Gallipoli
at 41/ to 49/, and other descriptions at 401 to 401 lOs per tun;
there is also a further increase of stock. Sperm Oil is
wanted at previous advanced rates, and supply is small,
whilst B'l to 861 per tun is the value of tine quality.
Prime Headmatter has been selling at 90t to 92/, and yet
scarce. In Cod operations have been small at 34/ lOs to 3.5/ ;
lower rates are expected to prevail. Seal met with greater
attention, and realised rather higher rates; the parcels sold
were at 301 lOs to 311 for pale, and at 281 to all for other
sorts. Other Oils are rather cheaper, but at auction 55 tuns
Sea Elephant all sold at 321 15s to 33/ per tun.

BANK OF FRANCE.
The following is a return of the situation of the Bank
of France on June 6:—

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ASSETS.

ROUSE OF COSLVONS, June 11.
ME FROPOLHAN IN MB, kIENTS BILL.

. . f. 342,828,298 90
130,026,721 0
618,212 46

Cash and ingots ,
Ditto in branch banks
Bills past due ••• .. ..
Bills falling due in Paris, of which
11,795,793 f. 110. were received from
the branch banks ...
Bills in the branch banks
Advances on coins and ingots...
Ditto by the branch banks ...
Ditto on French public securities ...
Ditto by branch banks... ...
Ditto to the State on Bons du Tresor...
Ditto on the loan of 150 millions ...

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. AicFrman COPELAND said he had greaz, objec-
tion to the 30th clause with respect to the amount of com-
pensation. He would ask the promoters of the Bill if
they thought they were dealing fairly with the public?
The rate of 6s. 2d. for each interment would very
greatly increase the amount of burial tees to be paid.
Taking Shoreditch, he found the average amount of
fees on each burial was 2s. 4d. In Islingt,on it wa,, cer-
tainly, 6s. 6d. In Bethnal-green it sank to ls. 6d., and
in Lambeth to 35. 6d. Now was the Right Hon. Baronet
prepared to increase the fees of burials in those districts
where, though the people were poor, they still took an
honest pride in burying their own dead, from is. 6d. to
6s. 21? It would have the effect of raising the expense
of interment fees very materially indeed to all but the
pauper classes. In Bethnal-green the increase would be
400 per cent. He would venture to enter into a statis-
tical argument with the Noble Lord at the head of the
Board of Health, and to maintain that instead of Si.
being the average amount, 45. was more correct, and
that with respect to ad classes. He would urge upon
the Government to lower the sum of 6i. 2d. to 4;=.
which he was convinced was a much more just amount.
Sir GEORGE GREY said th4t he bileved the sta-
tistics of the Noble Lord (Lord Ashley) were the most
correct, and he could not consent to lower the standard.
Lint DUDLEY STUART said he must again put
the question which had te,t yet been answered, and
that was whether the Board of Health was to have the
disposal of the surplus fund which it was expected might
perhaps accrue, and if not, who was to have the dis-
posal of it?
Sir G. GREY said that it would be devoted to make
some provision for the spiritual aid of the large and
growing population of those districts. He thought the
principle was one which Was well worthy of being en-
tertaincd by the Committee.
Lord DUDLEY STUART said the Right Hon.
Baronet had stated the objects of the fund, but had not
mentioned who was to have the disposal of a.
Sir GEORGE GREY could not answer that question
at present.

35,392.537 38
... 65,946,731 0
734,700 0
513,276 0
18,664,019 85
2,041,630 0
50,000,000 0
50,000,000 0

Rentes of the reserve fund ... 10,000,000
Rentes, disposable funds ... 42,394,488 13
Investments of the new branch banksin

the public funds ...
Hotel and furniture of the Bank
Real property of the branch banks
Interest in National Discount Bank ...

... 12,952,953 89
... 4,000,000 0
3,479,107 0
200,000 0
... 230,000 0
... ... 860,705 39
1,355.317 0
479,414 73
... 550,162 0
... ... ... 255,369 55

Ditto branch banks ...
Bills protested at Paris

Ditto at the branches ...
Expenses of administration of the Bank
Ditto of the branches ...
Miscellaneous ...

f.77g,523,644 28

The clause was then agreed to.
Clause 31 was struck out.
On clause 32,
Sir B. Hall was Proceeding to make some remarks
which were entirely, inaudible, when some Honourable
Members round him desired him to speak louder.
Sir B. HALL said that he was speaking as loud as
he could. He had addressed some thousands of persons
in different large
meetings, and he had never had any
difficulty in making himself heard, but this only showed
the ni cessity of what had been suggested last night, that
a Committee of some five or six gentlemen should be
appointed to decide what should be done with this
House.—(Hear, hear.) But, however, with respect to
the clause he was proceeding to show what had been
done in several cases in the metropolis by clergymen
with a view to increase their incomes by burial fees,
and in particular be would instance the Rector of St.
Giles, who was a gentleman too well off, a prebend
of St. Paul's. It had been elicited in evidence
that in the burial-ground of St. Giles,
which was too full to allow of more burials,
when an interment took place, all the loose earth was
thrown over the body until the friends left the grave, and
then the body was taken out and placed in a private
vault, and afterwards made away with, body and coffin
and all, in order to make more room for other inter-
ments, and to increase the amount of burial fees.
This had been done so late as last November,
During three Years and a half ending 1849 the number
of burials injthe burial-ground of St. Giles was 12,221;
and that burial-ground contained about four acres of
land. The rector of that parish, he (Sir B. Hall) con-
tend. d, bad received 4,0001. odd more for burial fees that
he ought to have received. Now he (Sir B. Hall) con-
tended that special cases of that kind ought to be taken
into consideration. It frequently happened that the
dead bodies in that burial-ground were dug up and
carried away in a wheelbarrow, with the body divided
from the head, arid thrown into a hole, there to putrefy
and decompose, in order that more ground might be
found for that most exorbitant rector of St. Giles. Yet
that man had said that his burial-ground was in a most
admirable state. The truth was, in addition to what
hai been sited, that the rector kept a part of the ground
for the burial of the higher classes, from whom he could
get higher fees than he got from the lower classes.--
( Hear, hear.) The sexton of the Reverend Gentleman,
the rector of St. Giles, began his life as a soldier, was
afterwards a parson, then he became sexton to this Rev.
Gentleinan who made those exactions, and then he be-
came, as the natural course, an undertaker and stone-
mason.—(Laughter.) He (Sir B. Hall) now gave notice,
on the bringing up of the report, that he would move a
clause fur the purpose of meeting such abominations as
those.

The House resumed in the 0.4.1 Chamber at
past Five o'clock.

PETITIONS.

Sir GEORGE GREY had not the least information
on those subjects; but he believed the rector of St.
Giles was utterly incapable of giving his sanction to
the proceedings described by the Right lion. Baronet
the Member for Marylebone.
Mr. GOULBURN was understood to question the ac-
curacy of those statements, believing, ,it they had been
trite, they would king ago have boon redressed by the in-
habitants of the large parish in question.
Sir B. HALL said, in November last an examination
was instituted into the state of the burial-ground of:,'St.
Giles, at the instance of the Board of Health. Mr.
Tyler, the rector, was' in the chair, and objected to the
representatives of the public press bing present to re
port the proceedings.—(Rear, hear.) The gravediggei
said, in is evidence on that occasion, "We do pretend
to till up the grave when the mourners are present, bu
Co soon as they are gone we must make room. sad we
remove them to the family vaults."—{Hear, hear.) The
teeter rt fused to allow this evidence to go forth to the
public. ' If the House were to make compensation foi
mouses such as that a great portion of the fund would be
taken away.
Mr. WAKLEY regretted to say that all that the Hen.
Baronet (Sir B. Hull) had stated was but too true, but
in all probability the Rev. Mr. Tyler was not himself
aware of those proceedings until the inquiry revealed
them, because the funeral service was performed by the
ROI. Mr. Pratt, his sexton.—(Laughter.)
Lord ASHLEY was understood to say he had no
official intormetion as to. the proceedings spoken of by
the lion. Baronet (Sir B. Hall).
Mr. . BRIGH r asked, the Howe if they would per-
mit this stonemason, sexton, undertaker, soldier, and
parson, and this rector, to carry on their nefarious
trade? The graveyard in question was pur-
chased for the parish of St. Giles by the'
ratepayers of that parish;
and it did appear to him a
monstrous thing that the ratepayera should be called on
to subscribe money for this burial-ground, and that the
clergyman should put into his pocket all the profits
which arose irom burials there. As a Dissenter he
(Mr. Bright) did not care much to meddle with theee
matters; but to suppose that men ahoull tolerate within
their own chuii 1 a system like that only male him
wish that every such churchman should carry a parson
on his back to the last day of his life.—(Laughter.)
Sir B. HALL read a let er, which he had received
frous an inhabitant of the parish to confiin his account
with respect to the state t f the churchyard. The writer
stated that several ci,ffins were nut more than nice inehee.
from the surface. His house overlooked the gr ,veyard, and
said he saw two men at work recently, one disinterring a
coffin and di*membeting the body, and the other dig-
ging a hole for the reception of the mutPate I remains;
adding that the shroud was almost t..e feet, and that he
believed the body bad only been buried five weeks pre-
viously, and had been treated in tile way described in
order to make room for other coffins.
Colonel THOMPSON thought these tales of horror
committed in certain graveyards had only been brought
forward to induce them to make all possible haste with
the Bill.—(Hear.) 'They,
however, gave ri,e to . a
point of some difficulty. There was a story told
of a merry monarch, who put a question to
the Royal Society for solution, viz., the
reason why a dead body weighed more than
a living one. The Royal Society occupied
a considerable time in endeavouring to solve the pro-
blem, forgetting to ascertain in the filet instance whe-
ther the King was right in assuming the fact which he
had submitted to them.—(A laugh.)
like- to know how much less ground i Now he would
t would take to
bury a body in when cut up and mutilated,
than when in a whole and perfect state ?
He hoped Hon. Members would not give credence to all
these tales of horror. • ,

Sir P. NUGENT presented a petition from th,
tillers of Longford, praying to be •placed on the
footing as colonial spirit makers.

Mr. BRIG EIT presented three petitions—one
Edinburgh, tee other from Sudbury, and the hitt ft
publ,c melting held in St. Pancras, praying the
to abolish the punishment of death.
THE FRANCHISE.
Mr. L. KING deferred bis motion on the subji
the franchise till the 9th of July.
COFFEE.
Mr. ANSTEY,postpon.,d his motion on the sub
adulterating coff,e till the 9th of July.
POSTAL COMMUNICATION WITH FRAIL

Mr. MACKINNON postponed his motion of
subject till the 9th .if July.
LEAVE OF ABSENCE.
On the motion of Sir H. WILLOUGHBY. lest
given to Mr. Coles, for one month, in consequencel
accident.

POST-OFFICE.
Mr. FORSTER gave notice that on Friday he
more for leave to bring in a Bill to repeat so much
7 William IV. and 1 Victoria, cap. 36, and other
now in force, for regulating the conveyance of lets
pod, as prohibit the transmission of letters on St
otherwise than through the Post-offic.%
HUDSON'S BAY COMPANY.
Mr. CHRISTY rose to ask the Secretary atl
whether he could furbish any information as to the
ber of pensioners aho may be proceeding tol
*on's Bay thi* season, and also of those NO

The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 33 to 36 were then passed after some verbal
amendments.
Clauses 37, 38,
amendments, were agreed to after a short discussion.
Clauses 40
and 39, with some slight verbal
40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51,
and 52 were agreed to without discussion.
Oa clausu 53 being proposed,
Lord DUDLEY STUART rose and said he felt
great objection to the clause; in fact it was the mostob-
jectionable clause in the Bill, and had caused' the
greatest repugnance in the minds of the inhabitants
of the metropolis towards the measure. It violated a
great constitutional principle,
privilege of local self-government.--(Hear,
hoer.) The gr,atness, the prosperity, and the liberty of
this country could be traced to the maintenance of that
principle,
out the and no Government had a right to disturb it.
This clause gave power to a board of Government Com-
turipeoi upon
ther
missioners to levy a tax upon the inhabitants of the
Into express an opinion
metropolis. True, it would only be to the extent of a
penny in the pound, but even that would produce 35,0001.
the clause
a year, and he, for one, must object
ftaocts,ucihn aaislurn:spbeecint:
Were they j
raised by an irresponsible, board of commissioners, with-
larrelpeptliet4ine;LefP(teuhreme,iirrtF either by themselves or
and he, therefore, called upon the Committee to resist it.
was one of the most objectionable character,
be adopted in other Bills?
luti was a probability of its not
necessityu:twifiheedreintarcease where there was no a'oso-
being required, were they justified in violating one of
the first principles of the constitution? were they to set
thought the Committee would nut be doing their duty
if they Old not resist this clause.
aHneexan pie which might
Sir B. HALL said he should here move the addition of
a proviso which had originally been intented to have been
inserted by the lion. Member for Montrose after the 38th
clause:—Provided always, and be it Enacted, that nothing
in this Act contained shall be construed to hinder or
prevent the vestry of any parish, having a local Act for
its governance, :from providing a cemetery or burial.
ground for the use of the Parishioners of such parish,
provided such cemetery or burial-ground be con.
secreted within twelve months from the passing
of this Act, and provided the situ of such ceme-
tery or hurial-ground be previously approved by
the said General Board
of Health ; and, for the pur.
pose of enabling the reaptctive vestries so.to provide
such cemeteries or hrislegrouncl:, It ..shall ho 13wfu1 for,

THE LONDON,
WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 12, 1850.
Al

them, and they are hereby empowered to raise the
money, required to d fray the expense of providing the
seine, on the j ail t Prellri!3' of the lees to a,.ise to them
from such buri 1-grounds or cAneteries and the poor rate
of etch parish respectively, in such manner as the said
vestries may deem expedient.
Mr. T. DUNCOIItiE was opposed to the principle of
this clause. He contended that by it the House was
called upon to trawler a privilege which was committed
to it by the people, and which it could not impart to any
other body. He would al what precedent was there
for such a demand? Ho should oppose the clause in
every possible
Mr. STANFORD gave notice that he should move,
instead of the rate not exceeding one penny, it should not
exceed one halfpenny in the p7wrid.
Sir G. PECHELL opposed the clause altogether,
either with a penny or a halfpenny.
Mr. Ald-rmart COPELAND wished to know what
the Right Hon. Gentleman meant to do with the city of
London. * No county rate was levied there at all.
Sir GEORGE GREY said, if the fees did not satisfy
the expenses then they would revert to the provision of
a parochial representative board, for the purpose of
levying a rate, instead of that central system, which the
Bill coutc:mplated. He hoped the Committee would
agree to the principle of the clause.
Mr. STANFORD thought the. House could not du
then limit Ih9 sum to th,, minimum amount.
Mr. WYLD said that the inhabitants of the metro-
polis to the impositi:on of a rate ashy form or
kin.f inasmuch vs they were composed uf persons of
tnix:d creed,: and the purpose for which tills rate was
intended to be levied was the building of chapels in
connexion with the Church of England.—(War, hear.)
Atter a fi w wads from Sir B. HALL and Mr. LACY,
Mr. STANFORD withdrew his amendment.
Lord DUNCAN proposed that the words " one
penny" should be struck out.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the proviso ... ... 36
Against it ... ... 100
Majority ... —64

The proviso was consequently rejected.
Lord D. STUART said he was entirely opposed to
the principle of the clause, and hope.' the House would
not give an unconditional power to an irresponsible body
on the flimsy promise held out by the Government that
the rate might not be required.
Mr. WAKLEY said this clause had produced the
greatest hostility to the Bill out of doors, and if it were
agreed to he was certain the measure would result in
general discontent, on the part of the metropolis. At
the same time, he readily admitted that it was perfectly
absurd for the House to impose certain obligations on the
Board of Health, and not give the Board the means
of carrying them out; but in the early part of this dis-
cussion the Noble Lord at the head of the Board ststed
Ms opinion, which was no doubt founded upon official
inquiry, that the rate would not be required. Well,
then, what he wished to submit to the Committee was,
the propriety of postponing the consideration of this
clause till a future period.--(Heer, hear.) His
opinion will that it ought to be put off till next session.—
(Hear, and a laugh.) In six or seven months from this
time another session would be held, and as the pro-
ceedings of the board in that space could not be very
extensive, or of a costly character, what earthly ob-
jection could there be in postponing the clause
till it had been ascertained that the tax was
absolutely necessary ?—(11( ar, hear.) If in the mean-
while the Board discovered that it could not do without
the rate, and Government came down with information
to prove it, be was quits sure the House would unani-
mously grant the power now sought by this clause.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... ... 93
Again.-t it 37
Mejority ... —56
The clause was then agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN reported progress; and on the pro-
position .that they should sit again on Friday next,
Lord D. STUART.objected to proceeding with the
Bill again at a morning sitting, but hoped, if they did so,
they would sit in the old Hallo, as it was impossible to
hear what passed. The louder they spoke the more diffi-
cult it was to hear.

The sitting of the Committee was then fixed for Fti-
eay,. at twelve o'clock:"
The Drainage and Improvement of Land Advances
Bill was then read a third time and passed.
The House then adk,arned at Halt-past Three to Half-
past Five.

Several petitions were presented against Sulliday
labour in the Post-office.

Mr. F. FRENCH presented a petition from a Place
in Ireland, praying for a uniform poor-rate in Ireland.
Mr. FOX MAULE presented a petition from a place
in Scotland against the Marriage Bill.
Mr. MANGLES presented petitions from vairious
metropolitan districts in favour of the Bill.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition front the
Birmingham Savings Bank againbt certain provisidus iu
the Savings Bank Bill.
Sir EDWARD BUXTON presented petitions
Essex, praying for the enfranchisement of copy
also a petition from. Walthamstowe in favour of
national arbitration.

Mr: H. HERBERT presented a petition from
tarnev, praying for the repesl of the attorneys' ci
cab° duty.
61r uEORGE GREY presented two petitions In fa
your of the Go'verntneur Interment Bill—one from Ma,
ry 'phone, and tho other from Poplar.
Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from Colehes•
er, praying for the entsnehisement of eopyholds; also
petition from a place near Cockermouth in taydur of
international arbitration.

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at present stationed in the Hudson's Bay ten,
whether the Hudsoo's Bay Company have been
powered to employ these pentiioners fir the enforcement
or prot-cdon of their monopoly of trade against the na-
tive or other inhabitants of the country, and if not. what
duties it is intended they shall perform on their arrival
in that territory.?

Mr. FOX MAULE said he might state, the'
1846, the Hudson's Bay territories ware withol
protection of a British force of any description;
1846 disturb mces arose between the compan:
certain parties Coming, ha believed, from
Un't,d States, and it was found necessary to di
a considerable body of troops there. Those troop_ __ -
kept there for nearly two years, and it was found
to be so isolated a position for her Majesty's
troops that it was determined to provide for the
protection of those territories in some other
way. It was then resolved to send out a body Of pen-
sioners who, in addition to their pensions, should re-
ceive from the Hudson's Bay Company certain advan-
tages in lodgkog, land, and employment, for which
tneir services should be available exactly in the same
way as those of pensioners are made availablepamely,.
that they should be required to go out for 12 dap within
the year on drill, and that they should be obliged to turn
out fur the preservation of the public peace, when called
upon by the authorities. These pensioners were 56 in
number, and the Government was about to add 20 more
within the present year.
In reply to Mr. HUME,
Mr. FOX MAULE said that the officer in command
of these pensioners had no instructions to interfere
in any way with the internal affairs of the colony.
Mr. CHRISTY asked if, the pensioners were paid by
this country?
draM. FOX
wrtheirpenMsiAonUsLE said
for past
sthere pviceens,siobnuetrtshecyonwtinerueedataot
further paid by this country. • -
RAMSGATE AND MARATE HARBOURS.

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Mr, MACKINNON moved for a Select. Committee,
to investigate the revenue, condition, and expenditure,
of Ramsgste and Margate Harbours., The Honour-
able Member stated that the trustees of Ramsgate
Harbour obtained a yearly revenue,of 21,0001 by dues
on. vessels, in, of 5,0001. which they
received in the
,shape of interest on money. making
altogether total . annual income of 26,0001., and
the whole of that sum was either spent in an extravagant
way, or on works which were altogether unnecessary.
At present the harbour would not:admit vessels of more
than 350 tons, and dues amounting to several thousands
pounds were laid on, vessels of larger tonnage, although
they could not enter the harbour. After alluding to the
revenue and-management of Margate-harbour, to which
he also attributed similar abuses,' the Hon. Member
concluded by proposing that a COmmittee should be ap-
pointed to report on the subject.
The motion having been seeonded,
Mr. MASTF,IRMAN, as one cf ,the trustees of ,Rams.
gate Harbour, justified the course which they had pur-
sued. No funds could have been administered more use-
fully and properly, and the trustees courted the most
rigid inquiry.. The Act of Parlianient 'authorised them
to have a reserve fund of 50,0001., which they were not
able to accumulate, until recently. It was true that the
fund in hand Am. reached beyond that amount, and in
consequence tbe trustees had it under their serious con-
sideration to propose some'alterations in the amount cf
toll to be levied. It was their earnest desire to do every-
thing that waa.possible to benefit the skipping interest.
—(Hear, hear.) He could not, as an individual trustee,
state what the nature of the. alteration was likely.,to be;
but he trusted that-he hid. said enough to iuduee the
House to pause until the-truskes had declared their in-
tentions on the subject. -- .
Sir Cr. PECHELL, thought that there never was a
135040A-9.ol"l,_.*„lll—qiur- Y- WO loudly Om this.. XI?

should, however, call their attention also to the harbour
of noir-T.. Every word that was eairl in respect to the
evils conn..ct, d with IZ-4n4ga•ii Harb!,ur applied with
eval fore to Dover. which could not be called a Fort
except so fir as it had a Custom house to levy thetie
dues. He proposed to add " Dover" after the word
" itanisgate," •

Mr. W. FAGAN said that there was a large steam-
packet company in Cork that were greatly interested in
this question, as they sutf?red greatly by the dues de-
mandel at some of these harbours from their vessels
whiA trstled between Liverpool and Rotterdem.
Sir F. BARING thougt,t it was hardy fair, when
the original motion was almost wholly confined to one
harbour, for an Hon. M.Anb,,,r, without any notice, to
acid an additional harbour to the subject of inquiry. Al-
tho,tgh the matters involved might be a fit question for
it.qatry, he thought that the amendment of the Hon.
Gallant Member ought to take the shsipe of a sub-
stantive motion. H. was not going to defend the ori-
ginal arrangements connected with
.Ramsgate Harbour ;
but, after what had been stated by the Hon. Member
for London, he thought.it would be much more expedient
if the House would wait until: they saw what the trus-
tees would do in the matter. He would, therefore, re-
commend the Hon. Member for Lymington to withdraw
hip rnoti.-11 for the present.

Mfr. HUME thought the Hon. Member fir Lyming-
ton had made out !i good case for inquiry, and Le hoped
that. he would persist in his. motion. Looking at the
changes that hal taken place in the imvigition-laws, to
cou,idered it to be the duty of the Governuient to re-
move as fir as pussible. every Vox that w.s laid
.up ,n
shipping. We might as well be without a Government
as have a Government like the present, thc did not do
their duty. _ _ _

Mr. M-OFFATT thought that any inquiry that did not
include Dover would be incomplete and unsatisfactory to
the shipping interest.
Mr. MACKINNON did not mean to cast the slightest
imputation upon the trustees. He believed that they
were all honourable men. He would consent to with-
draw his motion it the Hon. Member for London would
give the House a pledge that the dues would be reduced

Mr. MASTERMAN thought it most unreasonable to
ask to give any such pledge. He had already stated
that the subject was under the serious consideration of
the trustees; and that they had evinced an tamest desire
to do every justice to the shipping interest. They had
it in contemplation to make a reduction in these dues,
but what it was to be he thought it would be indiscreet
of him at present to disclose.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. THORNELY thought that the Hon. Member for
Lymingt :n was entitled to their thanks for bringing
this qu stion before them.
The House then divided on the amendment of Sir G.
PECHELL,, when the numbers were—

For the amendment ... 60
.
Agaubt it ... 71
Maojrity against the amendment ... —ll
The House again divided upon the original ;motion.
The numbers were—

For the motion ... ... 78
Against it... ... 47
• Majority for Mr. Mackinnon's motion —3l
HOME-MADE SPIRITS.
Petitions were presentYd by Mr. FAG AN and other
Members in favour of the motion of the Noble Lord the
Member for Kildare, respecting the duty on home-made

Lord NAAS moved that the House resolve itself into
Committee, to take into consideration the present mode
of levying the duty on home made spirits. He rested
his motion upon the ground that equal justice should be
done to the home distillers which was shown to foreign
distillers, as well as to the importers of colonial spirits.
In levying the excise duty on spirits home produced,
that duty was taken upon the spirits manufacture.-1 in
the distilleries—it was taken at the worm's end. If
those spirits were then put into bond, no matter what
might be the loss upon them, the distiller would be com-
pelled to pay upon the quantity not that he took out of
bond, but oti which he wes charged in the distillery.
On the other hand, the duty on foreign and colonial
spirits was levied upon the actual quantity which was
taken out of bond. In the letter case there was no lose,
and in the other (ve a considerable loss might be incur-
red. Thus a great injustice was done to the home trade.
—(Hear, hear.) _ It was that injustice he sought to have
removed by the pretest motion.--(Hear.) He knew
that he would be met in the first instance by !Aug told
that the home spirits were pro ected by a differential duty
of 4d. a gallon on colonial, end of a larger duty on fo-
reign spirits.- This, however, was a subject on which
he did not wish to enter, as he knew the principle was,
that taking the duties on the home spirits in bond
would lead to considerable frauds 011 the revenue. That
was the objection made by Mr. Wood on the part of
the revenue ; but it was an objection the validity of
which was denied by the distillers. It was not proposed
to prevent the duty being charged, as it was
at present, at the worm's end, and then being put into
the stores, and if any deficiency occurred when it was in
transit from the distillery to the Queen's stems the dis-
tillers were ready to, pay for that difference. That they
were willing to do; but what they objected to do was to
pay duty on a loss that actually occurred whilst the ar-
ticle was in the Queen's stores—to pay for that which
was lost either through leakage or evaporation.—(Hear,
hear.) He supposed the Right Hon. Gentleinan would
say that this would cause a great loss to the revenue.
What Mr. Wood calculated would be the loss was a half-
penny a gallon. Now he was assured by all those he
had consulted on the subject that so far from being a loss
this would be felt' so great an advantage to the distillers
that it would lead to a great increase of produetion, and
that the revenue would be ultimately the gainer.—
(Hear.) In considering this subject it was to be re-
marked that the Irish distilled from malt and raw grain,
aid the Scotch from malt only, and thus the article they
produced gained maturity much sooner than the Irish.
The Irish spirits did not arrive at maturity before it
hal been manufactured four or five years. The
law as it now stood was a prohibition on the Irish
distiller, to keep an article in the stores until it reached
maturity, and, it tended also to produce a monopoly
in the spirit trade, and the fact was that all the small
distilleries in Ireland had been closed, as none now but
a man with very large capital could carry on the trade.
'rh• whole of the spirit trade of Ireland and Scotland
was interested in this question, and as that House had
removed restrictions from foreigners, as they %ere such
friends to tree trade as to assist the foreigner in every
way they-could, he now hop-'.d they would aid him by
supporting his motion, in removing restrictions from a
most important branch of their home trade.—(Cheers.)
Lord J. STUAR r seconded Vie motion. •He did so
at the desire .of his constituents, who were greatly iota•
rested in the success of this motion, and whose wishes, as
large contributors to the revenue, were entitled to the
Attention of the Government. He admitted that the
Scotch distillers did not suffer as much disadvantage
from the present regulations as the Irish distillers, and
he acknowledged that some years ago the Coancellor of
the ExChequer had made a- considerable concession to
the trade iu Scotland, and that it was now in a very
flsurishing state. Although he wished to vote with the
Governm,nt on most occasions, he felt bound to Oppose
them on-the motion then before the House.
Mr. WlLSON:opposed the motion. The pie' stion,
he said, was net one of free trade at all. The spelech of
the Noble Lord showed that he had paid a Great lest of
attention to this subject, and therefore the Noble Lord
must be perfectly coascious that the House, after ma-
ture consideration of this subject, had come to an ar-
rangement regarding it in 1848, by which they lasdea-
vuured to place all parties on terms of perfect equality
with each other. The Noble Lord had called attention
to the tact that the duty was only charged on the colo-
nial and foreign spirits when taken out of bond, and upon
homt.-made spirits when manufactured in the distill. riei;
but why was that distinction made? Because there
vas a differential duty in favour of the horns disiller—
because the colonial spirits paid 4d. a' gallon, and the
duty on foreign spirit, on brandy was 15s a gallon, double
that paid on the home spirits—so great a difference, in
fact, that the case of the foreign spirits might be put out
of their consideration.---(Cries of " No, no.") He said that
the foieign spirits were not to be considsred, when 2s. Bd.
was charged on Irish spirits, end 15s. a gallon charged
on foreign spirits. The whole case, he said, then
lay between colonial and home-made spirits; and
alter determining that colonial spirits should pry 41.. a
gallon more than home-made spirits it would be said it
was unfair to the West Indies to have that arrangement
disturbed. The duty on the home-madespirits must be
increased; Lind that on our colonial spirits be diminished
to bring them both into the same pssition, and to do
equal justice between the two parties. It was, he said,
a great boon to the home distillers to allow -them to
bond their spirits the moment it was manufactured, be-
cause it was giving them a long credit on that dety. If
the motion were carried, the arrangements notv made
must be disturbed, and that to the injury of ;the re-
venue—(Hear, hear.)
• Mr. HUME rose to speak, but was met with such
loud cries of "Divide," that he was compelled to desist.
The gallery was ordered to .be cleared amid loud
.cheers from the. Opposition,Members, as it was manifest
those in favour of the motion were in a majority.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose
amid loud cries of Divide." He said he could quite
well understand the impatience of Honourable Mem-
bers to divide without a debate.—(Cheers from Members
on the. Opposition benches.) That.- was not, trowe'ver,
the way of Settling a point of such importance as this.—
(Cries of " Hear, hear," and " Divide.") Although it
did not appear directly, yet. this was a motion like too many
others that had preceded it; namely, a motion to reduce
the revenue, and' which the House had rejected. In
England, the duty on spirits was 7s. 10d.; in Scotland,
3s.'Bd.; and in• Ireland, 2s. Bd.; and this was a:proposi-
tion to make an alteration for the benefit of a country in
which the duty paid was the lowest. Why, if a reduc-
tion were possible, the fair way would be to eqUalise the
duty in the three countries, to lower it in Englend, and
to raise it in Ireland and Scotland.—(Cries of "Oh, oh.")
As to the small distilleries being destroyed in Irelane,
that did not happen in consequence of the manner in
which the duties were collected; it was the general law
of the progress of trade; the small manufacturers there
were destroyed by the large manufacturers. The excise
and customs duties were levied on quite different prin-
eiplea.—(Hear, hear.) The whole question was dis-
cussed at great length in 1848, when the subject of the
duty on colonial spirits was before the House, and the
objection taken the arrangement then effected was,
not that the benefit given to the colonial producer was
too much, but on the contrary that the duty levied upon
colonial produce was too high. The Hon. Gentleman
seemed to think that great injury had been inflicted upono
the Irish and Scotch distillers as compared with.
colonial producer, by 1 Ireland the eonsumpeioa of rum being in-
creassd. What was the fact? Formerly,
m per annum,
con-
sumed as.much as a million gallons of
fallen down to
but . before 1846.. the. consuar
14,000 gallons; and in 1849 it-wta)32s not so high in Snot-
Ned and /swami as se 1847. The consumption of rum
in Scotland wase--
382,000 'gallons.
In 1847 "" •
'IA 1849' . 'rr