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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER touk the Chair shortly after Twelve
o'clock.
CONSIDERATIONS OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS.

The Lords' amendments to the fallowing Bills were
considered and agreed to:—

Cardiff Waterwo7ks.

Edinburgh Slaughter Houses Removal.
Garstang and Exiting Syke Turnpike Road.
Newcastle up6n-Tyne aid Carlisle Railway.
BELFAST IMPROVEMENT BILL.

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This Bill as amended was considered and agreed to.
THE LONDON (CITY) SCHOOL FOR ORPHANS

OP FREEMEN BILL.

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On the motion for the second reading of this Bill,
Mr. Alderman SYDNEY said that he had requested
his lion. Friend (Mr. Masterman) to postpone this Bill
for a week, but as he had declined to do so, he felt bound
to say a few words upon the measure. He felt the
greatest objection to the Bill. because it sought to divert
funds to a purpose totally different from that for which
they were intended; it sought also to perpetuate the in-
fliction t,f fines upon freemen, and to give those fines to
the endowment tf the school; it also contemplated an
entire change in the governorship of the charity, which
was at present vested in the, corporation of London.
He should, therefore, move that the Bill be read a second
time that day three months.
At the suggestion of Mr. W. PATTEN the amend-
ment was withdrawn, and the Bill was ordered to stand•
for a second reading on Monday next.
MEDICAL CHARITIES BILL.

On the motion for the committal of this Bill,
Sir D. NOBBEYS rose to move the instruction to the
Committee of which he had given notice, but was inter-
rupted by
The SPEAKER, who stated that it was not compe-
tent for the Honourable Member to move the instruc-
tions of which he had given notice, inasmuch as the
Committee had the powers already which the Honour-
able Member sought to give them by the instructions he
proposed.
The House then went into Committee upon the Bill.

On clause 1 being proposed,
Sir D. NORREYS thought it would be better under
all the circumstances to postpone the Bill till next year.
He looked upon the introduction of a medical board into
Ireland as the establishment of a new poor-law. The
inability of a man to maintain himself generally resulted
from two causes, namely, want of employment and sick-
ness; but under the existing system, before he could
obtain relief he must undergo tha workhouse.
Now, many men who were unable to maintain
themselves through sickness %ere at present relieved by
insti:utiuns supported by voluntary contributions; but
piss the Bill, and not only would these institutions be
destroyed, but a new and extravagant Medical Beard
would be created, whose first witlfwculd bo to declare
the whole poplation in a state of chrcnic disease, and
to open dispcnearies in all parts of the ceuntry, to the
annoyance and expense of the rate-payer. He pro-
tected against the Legislature inflicting upon Ireland ,
two separate systems of poor-laws, which would always
be coming in contact with each other, and must inevita-
bly redut e the internal resources of Ireland. He con-
cluded by moving the omission cf those parts if the
Bill which proposed to establish a separate medical
board.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE opposed the amendment.
He contended that nothing could be more detective or
demoralising than the present system of managing
the medical charities in Ir. land. Everybody knew that
the funds were distributed without any responsibility
whatever, and in a way which was demoralizing to the
medical profession in Ireland.—(dear.) He proporei
that a board should be constituted for the management
of those medical charities, which should consist of two
medical gentlemen, the three Poor-law Commissioners,
and one assistant Commissioner. The Bill had been well
considered, at ,d if the proposition of the Hon. Baronet
(Sir D. Norreys) should be carried, he would not feel
himself justified in proceeding with it, and the medical
charities of Ireland must continue in their present dis-
graceful state for another year.
A somewhat lengthened discussion followed on the
question of a single or double board, in which Mr.
Moore, Mr. Grogan, Mr. Clemente, Colonel Dunne,
Lord Naas, Mr. Tel Mr. Hamilton, and other Mem-
bers took part.
The amendment was subsequently withdrawn.
Sir R. FERGUSON moved the insertion of the words
" one ccmfetent physician or surgeon," the effect of
which would be to have but ono responsible paid medics!
officer on the board.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood to oppose the
amendment.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... 18
Against it ... 58
Majority... —4O
The Committee again divided on the question, whe-
ther the medical officer shouldlbe of seven or ten ) ears'
standing. The numbers were—
For ten years ... 27
For seven years
Majority... ... ... —23
Lord NAAS moved a proviso, that ()eery act of the
Medical Commissioners should bo deemed to be the act
of the Poor-law Commissioners.

Mr. SCULLY did not think the proviso necessary,
inasmuch as the Commission could not act sithout the
presence of the Chief Poor-law Commissioner.
After some discussion, the Committee divided, when
there appeared—
Fur the proviso
Against it

... ... ... 24

••• ••• ••• ••• 60

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Majority
The proviso was consequently lost.
Colonel DUNNE still insi.ted that some words ought
to Le introduced into the Bill, to throw the responsi-
bility of the Commii-ion upon the Poor-law Commis-
sion or some other authorities.
Sir WM. SOMERVILLE said the Government would
be responsible for the operation of the Bill.
Lord NAAS gave notice that, on the bringing up of
the report, he would take the sense of the House upon
the proviso which the Committee had negatived.
The clause was then agreed to. after which the House
resumed, when the Chairman obtained leave to sit again.

FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL -
The Friendly Societies Bill went through Committee,
and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday
next, at 12 o'clock.
The House then adjourned till Five o'clock.

The House resumed at Five o'clock.
NEW WRIT FOR SOUTHAMPTON.
On the motion of Mr. HAYTER, a new writ was
ordered for the election of a burgess to serve in Parlia-
ment for the borough of Southampton, in the place of
Alexander James Cockburn, Esq., who had accepted the
office of her Majesty's Solicitor• General, and thereby
vacated his seat for Southampton.
NEW WRIT FOR DEVONPORT.
On the motion also of Mr. HAYTER, a new writ was
ordered to be issued for the election of a burgess to serve
in Parliament for the borough of Devonport, in the
place of Sir John Romilly,wLo Lad accepted the cffice
of her Majesty's Attorney-
Ueneral, and had thereby
vacated his sc at for that borough.

PETITIONS.
Mr. SPOONER preented a petition frcm a gentle-
man at Harwich, praying that the House would allow
him to use the short-band wri er's Lows of the evidence
taken before the House on the Harwich Election Com-
mittee.

Idc•rman THOMPSON presented a retition against
the Friendly Societies Bill.
Mr. CARDW ELL presented a petition from Liver-
pool to the same effect.
3lr. WOOD presented a petition against certain
clautes of the Savings Bank Bill.
Mr. COBDEN presented several petitions from Scot-
land to the same effect.
Admiral GORDON presented a petition in favour
of protection to native industry.
Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from a
place in Leicestershire against the Jews Bill.
Mr. GOULBURN presented a similar petition.

LUNATICS.
Mr. ALEXANDER HOOD mov:d that the follow-
ing returns be re-printed :—A return to an order of the
House of C::.mtnens, dated 21st February 18.9; returns
made up to the latest possible period, of the number of
lunatics, against %horn the commissions of lunacy are
now in force, and the totil amount cf their annual in-
come.!, and the total amr.nnt of the semis allov,.ed for
their maintenance, No. 378, cf sesion 1839 ; also, the
continuance of a similar return, up to the present time,
from the date of the la,t return.
NEW RIDE IN KENSINGTON GARDENS.
On the motion that the House at its rising should
adjourn until Monday nets,
Mr. COCHRANE asked her Maja;ty's Government,
whether they would support a humble address to her
Majesty, praying her Majesty to assign a part of Ken-
sington Gardens us a ride for next year, in considera-
tion of the ground which would be takes for the Exhibi-
tion, and the injury done to the ride i❑ Rutten-row.
lord SEYMOUR replied that a motion for an address
would to quite unnecessary, because her Majesty had some
time since ttiven dirco!ions that en qairysliouid be made
with the view of aiccriainin4 what further accomm i-
tion ought to be given to those who ride in the pirk
without interfering with V-ie enjoyments of any other
portion of the public.

NIPOSITIO,)fS ON EXPORTS OF PORTI:G.UE!.,E

WINE TO ENGLAND.

Mr. Al.lerman TtioNIPSON wished t,) know whether
tha Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign AtfAirs
had recivrd any satis.f,wtory answer from the Portuguese
Government to the renionqr.lnce of the itoporteri of
wine, tl.e produce of Portugal, against the impst of 61.
For pipe levied on wine exported to England, when 6.1.
per pipe only was charged upon wine exported to
Arner:ol. _ _ _

Lord PALMERSTON said communications bai been
made to the Portuguese Government on the bubject,
which was of considerable importance to the British
consumers, but ho was not able at present to state that
th-s Government had received any satisfactory answer.
There could be no doubt that this difforence of duty
was not only a great injury to the British consumer,
but also a great injury to the Portuguese wine
grower. The Hon. Gintlernan might be ttssur d that
her Majesty's Government would make those represen-
tations which they thought most likely to induce the
Portuguese Government to alter their intentions.
SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST- OFFICE.

Mr. SPOONER asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether it was the intention of her Majest)'s Goverc-
ment to lay before Parliament the report of the Corn-
niissioners appointed to inrpire into the working of the
Post-office regulations respecting Sunday labour, toge-
ther with the evidence taken before those Commis•
sioners; also, whether permission would be given to
any parties who might reqtfre it, to produce evidence
before such Commissioners.?
L)rd J, RUSSELL said he would lay the report of
the Committee on the table of the House as soon as it
was made. With respect to the other question he did
think that it would be necessary for that Committee to
take any evidence except of a documentary character.
TRIAL OF PATE.
BARON ALDERSON'S CHARGE.

Mr. G.ifioMPSON rose an.? slid_—Seeing the R;gl.t

Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State for the Home
Department, in his place, I rise to put some questions to
him on a matter, as I conceive, vital to the character
of the English bench, and the administration of
criminal justice in this country. In the newspaper re-
port of the precee dings at the Old Bailey yesterday,
during the trial of a person cf the name of Pate, who
was found guilt) (without any recommendation to mercy)
of a cowardly and brutal athek upon the Qieen,
I find certain words imputed to Baron Alderson,
who acted as judge, and Eased sentence on the
prisoner. The Learned Baron is reported to 'have
said, while In the act of awarding punishment :—".Con-
sidering the station of your family and your own psi-
tion, the Court will not infFet the disgraceful punishment
of whipping upon you. The court has some respect fur
you, though you had no respect fur others."—(liear,
near.)
Now, Sir, as these a:e words of a most ex-
traordinary kind, and, if truly reported, do most se-
riously affeect the character of one of our judges, and the
equal and just administration of the law, I wish to ask
the Right Hon. Gentlemen—first, whether he has seen
the reports to which I re fer? if he has, whether he pur-
poses to communicate with Baron Alderson, with a view
ascertaining their accuracy; and whether, in the event
of their correctness being confirmed, he will consider it
his duty to advise the Crown upon the subject, involving
it does the honour, the dignity, and the impartiality 01
the Bench, and calculated as the words I have quoted
obviously are, most seriously to impair the respect
hitherto entertained Ivy the people for the administration
of criminal justice within this realm.—(Hear.)
Sir G. GREY—Sir, in reply to the question of the
Hon. Gentleman, I beg to state, that I have read the
report of the proceediegs at the trial to which the lion.
Gentleman has referred, but sill I have not felt it to be
my duty to call upon the judge for any explanation of
what he said in passing sentence—(Eiear, hear)—be-
cause I do not feel myself justified to call upon any
judge to give reasons for what he does or says in the ex-
ercise of his judicial functions.—(liear, hear.)
The motion for the adjournment of the House till
Monday was then agreed to.
MONUMENT TO SIR ROBERT PEEL.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose and said, Sir, in
rising to move that this House do resolve itself into a
Committee on the subject of an address to the Crown,
praying her Majesty to bo graciously pleased to di-
rect a monument to ho erected in Westminster
Abbey to the memory of the late Sir Robert Peel. I
do not thick it recess:try to recall or relate to the House
the political history of that It'ght lion. Gentleman.—
(Cheery.) I take it for grsr,t, d that this House would
be desirous to testify its sorrow at the loss the country
has sustained in the Ceeth of that Right lien. Barous t,
--(Hear, hear.) I tells, it for granted that because
on the very first int. liigence of that melancholy event,
the House sporesotrotedy agreed to adjourn its proceed-
ings fir a day.—(Hear, hear.) I take it for granted b.'-
cause the feeling of regret which prevails on this subject.
has been very deeply felt and generally expressed.
(Hear.) I take it for granted, because when I wade
some observations, proposing that a public funeral
should be offered the family of the late Right amour-
able Gsntleman, to show the respect in which he hsd
been held by the House, the observattons which I made
s. eased to us et with unanimous concurrence.—(Cheers.)
Sir, I may perhaps be allowed to add that besides the
general testimony of respect tied esteem which has
been coanif,sted in this country, in three fortign
countries there have been remarkable demonstrations of
a similar character—(Cheers)—and the event to which
I refer is considered to affect no less the interest of the
the United Kingdom than it does Europe and the world
at Sir,l believe
Assembly
of ra
it withoutruce
ag large.precedentred toenter
that
(Cheers.)
ttt.hs3National
words of its President upon their
minutes to testify its respect fir the character and
sorrow at the deatle of a British statesmato—(Cheers.)
Therefore viewing these eircum.tances known to all
and felt by aq, I cannot but believe that this
recordf
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ca ilehe
mdweat hps eeerni
nedxaoern,si cee
te
w tes-
timony ifbe.o
atuhissoeos,
eawnghxr
oa
uto h
s have
i pst 191 ea se oftew
nah
of their respect for his worth and virtues, and in
having stated these matters it now remains to be consi-
dered in what way that testimony shall be conveyed.
I have referred to the proposal I made for a public
funeral, which was at once declined by a Right llon.
Gentleman who was a near friend and coadjutor of the
deceased Right lion. Gentleman, and who informed the
House that the late Sir Robert Peel had made a special
request that his funeral shou!cl be private.—
(Hear, hear.) Of course I cannot think twat
in the present instar.ce such public acts will
aptly as were accorded by this House to
testifyits respect f,r the memory of Mr. Percival.—
(Hear, hear.) It would be remembered that the House
agreed to make some provision for the family of that great
man who had been so distinguished inAtis public services.
There remains, therefore, only what I mean to propose
—a public monument—by which we can show, or en-
deavour to show, our sense of the loss we have sus-
tained. Perhaps, I may in this place state that her
Majesty haviog been anxious to show the sense the Crown
entertains of the services rendered to the state by Sir
Robert Peel desired me to inform Lai). Peel that her
Majesty was 813X10113 to bestow on her the same rank
as was bestowed on tho widow of Mr. Canning.—
(Cheers.) I receive] an answer from Lady Peel, which
I immediately cortrehuuicated to her Majesty, and that
answer was, that it was her own wish to hear no
other name than that by which Sir Robert Peel
was knOWD.-(liciar, hear.) Lady Peel has intimated
that there is a special direction which has
.been left for
his family by Sir Robert Peel, that he desires that no
one of his family will accept any title or public reward,
in respect of any services which ho may
be supposed to
have rendered.—(Loud cheers.) This is a stronger
reason why this House should desire that some testimo-
nial should remain by which this House. at least may
testify its feeling with respect to an event so sudden, and
a calamity so great. I do not wean to enter into
any notice of the services of Sir Robert Peel, or of
the measures of which he was the mover. I
think it far better that I !should refer to
the example which he lately gave in the Commission
which has been directed by her Majesty to consider the
mode in which the arts may be made to contribute to the
ornament of the House of Commons with re,peet to the
statues that are to be placed there. A Committee
of that Commission, composed of persons belonging
to different cr eds have considered that the two moo who
ought to have statues erected to their memory there
should be John Hampden and Lord Falkland.
I imagine that what these gentleman who
were on the Commission felt was that they
were both man, who.
by their splendld. talents,
and by their own virtues adorned the agein which
they lived, and that ito.es ever llerent their
rank, however various their talents, they were
only animated by the love their country
El
hear.) Let us not wait period
has elapsed, before we take occasion ef doing honour to
done till two centuries after the time of Hamp-
den and Lord Falaland. What I propose to
the deoarted statesman ; lus do now, what w not
you is to' follow the precedent
adopted in the
case of Lord Cnathim. hen he died Colonel Basle
moved that a public
fueeral
honour of his memory, and that suggestion
.
by Lord [North, the
Was immediatsly adeptcti
Prime Minister. It is, perhaps, a rew3rkabi°
thing with regard to that event (that Colonel
Ilsrte who made it had been himself
could be
iuiself at one
time opposed as stroittelY
as any politician
ta the opinions of Lori Chatham.
,olonel Bin 6
It is another
remarkable circumstance C
that
was introduced to Lord Chatham, and made
some apology
for the severe language he had applied
to him, when Lord Chatham said he himself had used
equally harsh lar.gt ate to Sir R ri Walpole,
and he (Lord Chatham) was far from resenting
any language which had been applied to him by Colonel
BArr, I think that the conduct Of col. Bute showed