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that the ntoplyers should exercise a control. in the ad.
ministration the rate:. He did n( see ,vhy ftur or
fie, n.ighhouring prialnes rnight no ; unite for the Fur-
Rises of the! Bill, and Ile would nit vote for a board
with t5:-.ch irre,ponsible and eN.raor.linary powers.
Mr. SLANEY denied the Bill was uncons,tiLutional in
principle, or*fiat it would bu expensive. •He denied
that parochial manager:teat always effective and
satisfactory in practice. It did not toliew th;..t the
powers nee,ssary to a change would be r..quired
when the change had been effected, end he wellu :,up-
port the clause. As a word of god cheer to the under-
takers, he might add he had no doubt they would he
hkely to get the ct.m:rac!s for burials on account of
their long experience nod the capita/ they h.td em-
barked. •

Lord D. STUART opposed the clause. This central
board appeased to him to be by no means so good as the
old mode of management. Be hoped that the present
cynic would receivo from the House a calm and
deli ;e-
-rate consideration, for this clause appeared to him to he
the pivot upon which the Bill turned, and he had al-
ready stated his opinion that it ought to be expunged al-
tOge',hor_

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Mr. wanted to know what the board wool!
cost, and ho wan►e,2 to know what was to ba the income
of the present Chief Conareissionqr.
Sir G. GREY replied that it was to be settled by Par-
lie meet.

Mr. HligE could not 13?1!eve that it would be pos-
sible to carry out any principle of self-government by th©
establishment of such a board.
Mr. WYLD said, what they wanted was an elected
and responsible body. They were pfrATtly wiping that
tho Government should appoint inisTetors and establish
any control that might he necvsiary ; but it was most
desirable to preserve the advantages of local govern-
ment. . .

Mr. FITZROY said. that the view of the parishes
wa that they should manage their own affAirs, but they
were willing to do so under the control and guidance of
a Government hoard. It would be very hard upon the
parishes if where the funds, owing to thu mismanagt -
went of other:, proved insufficient, they were to be fur-
ther taxed. He should vote in favour of the amendment
and for the omission of the clause.

The Committee then divhkd upon the amendment
which had ben moved by :Mr. T. Duncombe, when there
appeared—
For the amendment ... ..• ••• 57
Against it ... ••• ... 135
Majority ••• ••• —7B
The clause was toen agreed to, and
Mr. T. I)UNCOMBE said, that the House having
thus expres,ed its opinion he should not trouble theta
with auy further opposition.
Clauses 3,4, and 5, were then agreed to.
On cls.use 6, empowering the Board of Health to pro-
vide burial-grounds and ta purchase lands for burial
grounds,
Mr. HUME said, that some limit should be fixed
within which new ceinet,ries and burial places should
not Le opened. The limit established by the Act in
schedule A ought to be adopted, and he proposed thut no
new burial places should be opened iu the several places
nlroed in the schedule.

Lord ASHLEY explained that the parishes of Street-
ham and Tooting were named in the schedule, hut they
contained some large, open, and airy places which might
be advantageously occupied as burial-places for a time.
When the population pressed upon these places toe
Fo :.rd might go further. But if the Act compelled them
to go further at present it might be necessary to convey
bodies a distance of 12 or 13 miles for interment, which
would cause expense and loss of time.
The moti.m wr.s then withdrawn.

WAKLEY wanted to know whether the Noble
Lord did noz think it advisable to mention some mini-
/num diAanea v.ithin which interments should not be
permitted?
Lord ASIILEY—Fcom what p-lint?
Mr. WAKLEY—F:oin

Lord ASHLEY—But on some sides there were dis-
tricts more open than on others. Oa some sides the
population was spreading very, gre7:,tly, and 021 others it
wfis not. The Act diti not contemplate the construe:4)r.
a a single large cemetery, but a great many, and some
of those whickt were already established would be talon,
As the population pressed upon them they would be
shut up, atid.others at a greater distance opened.
The clause was then agreed to.
On clause 7, giving power to the board to purchase
cerneterie,,
Mr. I.TOFFATT said, the cemetery companies had
been the great pioneers of reform in the matter of ex-
tramural ii3erment. Property to the amount of half
a million sterling had been invested in the metropo-
litan cemeteries, and it would be unjust to pass this
cluuse. He would, therefore, move that the clause be
expunged,
Sir G. GREY said, the clains .. had been inserted for
the protection and at the desire of the cemetery com-
panies, who would be ruined if the clause were with-
drawn.

Sir B. HALL called upon the Home Secretary not to
listen to Vie directors of cemeteries, who wished to sell
their property, but to consider the rights of the sur-
viving relatives of those who were buried in these ceme-
teries, and who had purchased property there.
Mr. HUME—There are seven cemeteries in the
neighbourhood of London. Are they all included in the
schedule?
Sir G. GREY—Yes; all.

Mr. MOFFATT wa3 authorised, on Cie part oC one of
the largest of the ecmtt,ry companies, to protest vgain6t
the clause.

Mr. LIUME—WouId there be any power to eloie
these cemeteries unlesi they became a nuisance?
Sir G. GREY said the cemeteries might be shoat up if
prontheial to the puhhe health, under the powers of this
Bill, and if not prejudicial they might be taken by the
Beard of Health for interments.. The decision upon this
point might safely be left to the discretion of the Board
of Health.

Lord ASHLEY said there had Eoen no representa-
tions from the friends and 1-datives of persons interred
in the cemeteries objecting to the closing of the ceme-
teries.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no
diision took place, and the amendment was withdrawn.
The clause vrazi then agreed to.
On clause 8, giving the hoard power to lay out burial-
grounds and build a chapel,
Mr. C. LUSUINGTON move 3 to expunge thti latter
part of the clause, beginning at line 25, and providing
that no funeral service othr than that of the Esta-
blished Church should he performed in that portion of
the burial-ground which had ben consecrated acconiing
to the rites of that Church.- He objected to the proviso
as a piece of intolerance on the part of the Church, which
iirouki perpetuate sectarian differences beyond the grave,
by preventing members of different religious sects from
lyin side by side in death.
Acr. DRUIIIIOND did not think there was such •a'
great respect for burial of the dead. in this country as
some pc,,,p!o supposed. It was well known that occa-
sionally churchyards were levelled when they became too
high, and a case had lately occurred where the flesh and
bones of dead bodies were spread over the fields.
Sir G. GREY opposed the amendmen'. The Bill
proceeded on the principle that new cemeteries were to
be use -I as substitutes for the old pirochial grounds, and
that the rites of the Church should be preserved in these
cemeteries, so that no person cJuld be laid in consecrated
ground without the rites of the Church.
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the clause
agreed to. •
On Ow 9th Glance,

Mr. LENNARD proposed the omission of certain
words, by e hi, h power is riven to the bishop to with-
draw the licence of any chaplain attached to a cemetery.
Sir G. GREY oppoced the proposal, on the ground
that whatever right a bishop possessed, such as granting
and withdrawing licences, a continuance of that right
was implied, and therefore ought to be preserves in the
Bill.
The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses up
to 18 inclusive.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
tained leave to sit again on Thursday next.
Toe other orders were then disposed of.
The Borough Court (Ireland) Bill was read a second
time.

In r,ply to a question from an HON. MEMBER,
Lard JOHN RUSSELL said that he propoied to take
the next Committee of Supply on. Friday next.
The Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill was read a
second time. _

The Vestries and Vestry-clerks Bill was read a third
time, and passed.
The General Board of Health Bill was read a secord
timo.

COURT OF PREROGATIVE (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. KEOGH proposed as a Select Committee on the
Court of Prerogstivo (Ireland) Bill, Mr. Gladstone, Mr.
Keogh, Mr. Napier. Mr. Scully, Mr. George Alexander
Hamilton, Mr. William Fagan, Mr. Grogan, Mr. Sad-
leir, Lord Nam, Mr. O'Flaherty, Mr. Bouverie, Mr.
Solicitor-General fir Ireland, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Bellew,
and Sir John Young.
Major BERESFORD objected to the Committee thet
it w 35 n partial one. Thera were nine Members upon it
who constantly voted with the Government, and only six
►Members on that side of tie House. Under those cir-
cumstances, at that hour of the night, he moved that the
donate be adjourned till Thursday next.
.Mr. KEOGH complained of the objection raised to the
number of the Committee as being uncalled for.
Mr. MACKENZIE defended the objection to the
Committee, as did also Mr. Grogan.
Sir G. GREY recommended an arrangement on the
subject.
Mr. BRIGHT recommended that the two names pro-
posed to ba substituted should be proposed at once, i❑-
stead of the motion made by the Hon. Member (Major
Beresford).
Mr. NAPIER, who entered the 110113 e at the mo-
ment, proposed to substitute the names of Mr. Goul••
burn and Mr. Turner for Mr. Badlier and Mr. Bouverie.

Mr. KEOGH said that he only named his Committee
in accordance with a previous ar:angernent with the Hon.
and Lr ax.2ed Member for the University. He had n ob-
j••crion to Mr. Goulburn's name being substituted for
Mr. Sadlier.

Mej 3r BERESFORD, with great warmth, comp'ained
of lion. Gentlemen com:ng over t) that side of tl-;o
House, and listening to their cenversoton, and then
voting for tho Government.

.Aft-r a short conversation, a division tcok pleer,
when there appeared—
For Mr. Sadlier ... ... ... 106
Against it ... 29

Majority

••• --77

Mr. KEOGII said he had no objection to the substi-
tution of Mr. Goulburn f,•r thL. other Gentleman named.
After a short conversation, it was resolved that Mr.
Bouverie should be named on the Committee.
On the motion that Mr. Moriszll should stand as a
Member of the Committee,
Mr. GROGAN su-ge.ited tha'; the name of Mr. Goul-
burn should be t=uhstituted fur Mr. lionsell, and moved
in accordance with his suggestion.

Mr. MONSELL hoped the Hon. and Learned Member
(Mr. Keogh) would a sent to the proposition.
Mr. SHELL said the Hun. Mi.:Tibor was displaying,- a
f•ihse dsticacy, and thought the 1.10030 ought not to in-
sist upon his serving.
The Howe divided, and the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it 3O
ITijrwity for the motion --47
The I-leu,Fe then divided on a motion by Sir CH ARLES
DOUGLAS to substitute the name of Mr. Gontburn fur
thet of Sir John Young.
The numbers we: e

For Sir John Young 75
For Mr. Gou!burn 36
Majority f",r Sir J. Young —39
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thou moved the se-
cond reading of the Process and Practicm (Ireland) Bill,
and gavo notice that to-morrow (this day) ho should
more that it pass three ii its rernatning stages.
Tl-1,7. other orders of the tlAy wer di3posed of,
and the House aljourn,-,d et II tr-past 0:19 o'clock.