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point at which the first portion of the hue would ter-
Dsinste. lie need not remind the elleuse that for some
time af•er the Bill was applied for to make a railway be.
tweeri Liverpool and Manchester, little or tithing was
said of the passenger traffic—it was scarcely mentioned,
the whole reliance of the promoters being upon the goods
traffic, eare
e would not then venture to prophecy what
would be the result in India, but he thought they would
have some grounds for anticipating a similar result. He
assured the Noble Lord that the East India Company
Were perfectly disposed to extend to Madras the same
Privileges as the other presidencies—it was a slew:-
Con with them of time and not one of preference.
With regard to the line from Madras to Arcot, it was
necessary to consider it with reference to the general
system of railways proposed for India, and it was
doubted whether that line would anewer the require-
ments that Mr. &me thought desirable. or whe-
ther it would not be more a lvisable to have a
line more to the north-west to join the general system
Which was to he carried out from Bombay. Ho would
remind the House that the system on which the East
India Company had undertaken these railways was in it-
Self novel. The Company gave the land free, and gua-
ranteed to the railway cutup ivies interest upon the
capital at the rate of five per cent. for ninety-nine
Years. And at any time during that period the railway
!orepany could call upon the Indian Government to a
ler the railway at prime cost. A statement had foupndy IN way into some of the Indian papers that had arrived
1:)Y one of the last mae le to the effect that some engineer-
ing difficulties had been discovered with regard to the
construction of railways in India, and that they had
been abandoned altogether. That statement, it was
almost needless to say, was quite unfounded. He should
conclude by assuring the ,Noble Lord and the House
that the East India Company had already anticipated
hills, having some time since dispatched letters to the
Government of Madras, calling upon them to furnish
forthwith all the information that was required, in order
to extend the same facilities to that province as had
been afforded to the other presidencies, and no time
would be lost in extending the same advantages and en-
ceuragement to it as the others.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. AGLIONBY was prepared to give his cordial
support to any proposition for carrying out the benefit
of railway communication in India. He thought there
Ought to bo an ex ogicio director sitting at the boards of
these railways, for the purpose of exercising some effi-
cient control over their management. He thanked the
Noble Lord who had so ably brought the subject before
the House, because it afforded the opportunity of clear-
ing away many doubts and misconceptions that existed
upon the subject.
Sir E. COLEBROORE thought the Indian public
Would be obliged to the Noble Lard for having drawn
attention to the subject, and was glad the Government
bed announced that this line was only the commence-
tent of a far more extensive project which they had in
centemplation.
Mr. HUME thought that a railroad from Allahabad
to Delhi, with breeches to the military stations, would
confer the greatest benefit upon India, and the saving
Which it would effect in life, labour, military stores,
Bte., would in a period of about five years defray the ex-
Penses of the construction of the railroad. He did not
think it very satisfactory to hear that only 70 miles of
railway out of 400 were all that we were seeking to
make. There ought to be a railway from Madras to
,Bombay. The result of such a work would be most
!Deponent, both in a political as well as a commercial
light.
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said from his long and intimate
knowledge of his Hon. Friend Member for Montrose,
he must say that it was not easythe to satisfy him en any
point ; but ho (Sir J. Hubhouse) agreed with him in all
he said as to the importance of railways in India. He
Was exceedingly glad that the Noble Lord hal brought
the question forward ; for by his experience and his
known attachment to India—having fill d an office in the
late Government that was connected with that part of
the world—he was most competent to speak upon the
aUbject. When the question came more fully before the
/Jouse, he hoped he would be able to show that the East
India Company had not slumbered at its post, nor for-
gotten what was its duty a; regarded its own interests
111,3 well as regarded the millieee ef people entrusted to
114 care. The reasons why the Madras Railway Com-
Pany did not receive that encouragement which the
Government had hitherto afforded to the other two
railway companies were these: Ir, was certainly the
intention of the East India Couspsny and the India
Board to give the Madras C impeny rather a
Preference, if it were possible, but that company
died of itself before we could assist it. But the
Want of encouragement to these railways generally was
attributable to those disgraceful transactions which he
was sorry to say historically stigmatised this country.—
(Hear, hear.) These disgraceful transactions, he re-
gretted to say, were not confined to those who might
not be supposed to have a; nice- a sense of honour as
Others, but were spread amongst the educated BA the
higher classes of society.—(Hear, hear.) They were to, be
found amongst that class to which the people of England
had been long accustomed to look up, not only for the
making of their laws, but also fur the formation of their
manners.—(hear, hear) Such proceedings as those to
Which he had referred had brought discredit upon all
railways, and the failure of the efforts of the East India
Company, which were honestly made to carry out these
Works, must be attributed to this cause. Had it not
been for the state of the money market we should have
, bad the Madras Railway carried on with the same
spirit as that in which the Bombay and Ben-
,gal Railway had been proceeded with. He,
however, had no doubt that at this time next
Year we shall be atee to congratulate the House and
the country on the progress made in the Madras Rail-
!way. In reference to the question whether it would be
better that these railways should be constructed by com-
panies or upon the responsibilities of the Government,
De would remind the 11. use that it was very fully dis-
cuszed when the Noble Lord held office in the Board of
Control, in 1845. And it was then determined by the
Noble Lord that they should not be carried on by the
Government of India, nor by the Government at home,
but by the companies themselves that undertook these
greet works in India. He (Sir J. Hulehouse) thought
that it we uld have been much wiser for the Government
to undertake the construction of them. The advantages
that would have accrued to them in the transport of
troops and stores, and in the traffic that would be
created along the route, would have soon compensated
them for the 1,000,000/. or 2,000,0001. spent upon their
construction.—(Hear, he ar.) The question, however,
bow to be considered was, how they could pro-
Petty encourage the companies that had already
undertaken the: e works. We hove given them land
`ewe have granted them an interest upon their capi-
tal, and we have, men over, taken care that, if the
Reutleme n connected with them should desire at some
future time to retire from the enterprise, they would
have nothing more to do than to return their capital
and goods into our hands, wet to say, ".Will you take
them from us?"—(Hear, hear.)
.The Noble Lord up-
Peered to think that we required a spur to induce us to
advance in respect to those railways. We required no
such spur
Puree, puer, stimulis, rt fortius utere loris."
Ile would be meet heppy to produce all the papers ap-
Plied for by the Noble Lord, and to bring to a conclusion
that object which the Noble Lerd had not more at heart
tan he (Sir J obhuus, ) had himself.
lelr. MANGLES cencut red with the Hon. Member for
Montrose in what he had stated with respect to the rail.
way in Beneal.
Lord JOCELYN replied. He had brought forward
the question because he considered it of vast importance
to India aid the people of England.
The motion was then agreed tee.
RAJA OF SATTARA.
• Mr. G. THOMYSON moved fer copies of any docu-
ad' nts furnished by the resident at, Sattara tee the B an-
ea c
y eovernment, showing the amoutit er value of the
Property belonging to the State of Setters at the time
°f this decease of the late Raja, and the amount of reve-
nue from all sources in the State of Sattara since its ad-
alinistration by the. East India Company, and the charges
Payable out of the said revenue; of all correspondence
between the widow and the adopted son of the ex-Raja
of Sattara, and the Governor-General's agent at Benaros,
and between that officer and the Govereor-General of
India, from the Ist day of December, 1849, to the present
time ; and, of all correspondence whether in the
secret department or otherwise, between the Government
of India and the Court of Directors of the East India
;onpany, on the subject of the provision to be made for
'oe said widow and adopted son (so far as the same have
sot been presented to this Hoteie).--Agreed to.
The other orders of the day were then agreed to, and
the House adjourned at Eleven o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, June 11.
Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock.
bThe Court of Chancery (County Palatine of Lancaster)
passed through• Committee.
PETITIONS..
„ .
Bath,-praying
Lord MALAIESBURY presentedpetition from
45batli,' praying that;iu the event 'ef any alteration in the
Fast-office regulations, the petitioners might not be de-
prived of one delivery at lea-t on the Sundays.
The Earl. of LEICESTER presented petitions from
;,ftruismth and other places against Sunday labour in
`c Post-office.
The Earl of ST GERNIANS presented several peti-
tiotis in favour of the Marriage Bill.
hankers Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from the
and merchants of Forfar against the arrange-
"cents of the Ahe,cleen Railway.
AUSTRALIAN COLONIES BILL.
Their Lordships then went into Committee on the
Australian Colonies Bill.
h Lord N
their Lo dships the question whether in framing
Ilea- constitution for the colonies they would adopt
the principle of a :Angle chamber, or whether they would
:tert to the old constitutional principle of a double
l:hlher. He thought he should be able to show their
,1
rdships atilt the principle of a single chamber was
I}4itirely contrary to the opinions of the colonists. He
ould abstain from arguing upon the principle of a
double or single chamber. He thought that would almost
be an insult ha fore a British Legislature, but he thought
of could show to their Lordships that the principle
single chamber had been condemned in all
sc'tuntries. He could cite the example of the Unite-1
"es, where that principle had ielded to the ida of a
chamber, as well in the y constitution of thee whole
nlon of States as in many separate states. They had
sireaarkablo example of the ill effects resulting from a
44r3 chamber—the results of that system in 1791,
t„ he might say. even in the present time ; and
Challenged his Noble Friend opposite, with all
ofrquaintance with the subject to show one instance
tb_t e successful experiment of a single chamber, but, on
° other hand, he could show many instances of
The Noble Earl had been a groat artificer in
ta_ttautions, and no person had issued more pieces of
manufactures in a given time than that Noble Earl had.
was the New Zealand constitution, which was
as Ili dead letter by the Governor immediatAly it
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