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aniefiditient though he thought the more the numbers
were diminigleci the greater would be the tendency to-
*ards* patty feeling':
ThiS SOTIOrTOR-GENERAT, said there had been
great improvdintti iit election tribunals. He thought it
was well to reduce the nut-fibers; but preferred at present
the diminution from seven to five to the greater diminu-
tion dr ftt,m seven to three. He sincerely congratulated
the country on th improvement in this tribunal, and the
increase of public con4lden69 which was now willingly
conferred upon it.
Mr. HAWES supported the amendment.
Mr, -V, SMITH preferred the number of three to five,
and heard no reason from the Solicitor-General why
thefe elion/d not be the former number.
Mr. ESCOTT would support the number of five in-
stead of tkree, if the House divided ; but he preferred
four to either.
Thq clause was then agreed to as amended.
The roe airing clauses were agreed to without a dis-
cussion, and tie report was ordered to be received to-
morrow (this day) at twelve o'clock.
POOR-LAW.

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The Bill was then recommitted, and passed tbrougli
Committee.
Mr. WILLIAMS called the attention of the Souse to
a petition which he had presented a short time ag..„°'
praying the House to place the cost of the inaintentur
of a certain bridge in Carmarthenshire on the count'''.
rate.
Col. TREVOR did not think the prayer of the pe-
tition ought to be granted. He would, however, bring
the subject under the consideration of the bench of le
giotrates at quarter sessions in Carmarthenshire.
agree
j
After some further discussion, the clause was -
to, as were the remaining clauses.
The report was then received, and the Bill was Ordered
to be read a third time to-morrow.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE (MIDDLESEX).
Sir J. GRAHAM moved the committal of the Orw-g
nal Justice (Middlesex) Bill.
r. MACKINNON objected to the measure on a,:
ground that its provisions were altogether unknowl;
the law as it at present stood. He wholly objecteuyin,
the appointment of the chairman being in the Colo
because the principle, if admitted, might be OP ths
throughout the country. He did not wish to -detaio.l3;
House upon the question, but he had another objeeitivey
the City of London was exonerated from sh .d.
pense, and the rate was placed upon the county of 312 r
dlesex. Making the chairman independent of the old
magistrates would produce great anomalies. Ire Wd° be
pay no regard to their opinion, and they would
equally regardless of his. . steal
Mr. WILLIAMS said this Bill entailed a -
charge upon the public. Why should the Chairmseo,
the Middlesex Quarter Sessions have a salarysas
more than the Chairman in any other county?
Westminster Sessions were to be abolished altogetio
and the business transferred to Clerkenwell ; the Peulii„
of Westminster would thus be put to the greatest i-ae`'oo
venience. The appointment of this new offices. gavLip
new facilities for the trial of offenders, as the chair
the
was bound by the Act under which the sessions of
Central Criminal Court was held, as much as the cuzia
man was under the old system. The whole objeeL;sl
purpose of the plan was to carry out the more ge e
adoption of the Right Hon. Baronet's plan of the Wm.
rate system of imprisonment. He was aware that 1,1,
question would be supported by the Government. the
Hon. and Gallant Member for Westminster, and bid
Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. Duncombe).,_ re.
attended, night after night, to oppose the Bill, and aeblie
gretted they were not then present. A sense of Po a.
duty compelled him to oppose the Bill. If it were
:y
cessary, the City of London, he believed, would be re "
to establish another court, or even two. There tell
other objections which might be urged against the dill,
but from the appearance of the House he thought 4-
would not be much use in going to a division.
_,„.jaes
Mr. WAKLEY said that though two long sln7;to
had been made on.this subject, he had heard no fael'es
induce the House not to go into Committee. What W„.tte
the facts ? It was notorious that the gaol of oewb-_;,
was in a most wretched condition, and that the hile
soners there were most inconveniently crowded, w,his
Middlesex Bridewell was nearly empty, and for
reason, that the magistrates of Middlesex could ?lots
send prisoners to it. He had heard several con3Pleide..
made by jurymen with regard to the time they were eff
tained at the Central Criminal Court. The cost of eio,
case in that Court amounted on the average to 21 clic.
At the Sessions it was only 11. That was a great
.et,
ference. The Hon. and Learned Member for Roches.rai,
who practised at the Sessions and at the Central C 7, 00
nal Court, and who had remained in town fur a we!, OS
account-of it, had authorised him to say that it vra"
intention to give the measure his support. at
Mr. BROTHERTON thought that such a Bill °• lit,
not to be introduced at such a late period of the ate
He objected to the measure also because the ch 9
was to be paid out of the public funds. age-
Sir J. GRAHAM said that no Member of the eno
ought to be more desirous that the House should
prolong its sittings than himself. - But this Bill was
oo
important one, which he thought ought to be passe
session. With regard to the fund from which the e"
e¢
man was to be paid, that was matter of detail, and .!,0
they came to it, he thought he could show the Oro
that he ought to be paid out of the public purse. illy
the appointment of any particular person, he would opt
also from that subject ; but if the person was paid ilia
of the public funds, the appointment of course "W°olo
rest with the Government. The absurdity t
present system had been pointed out by the 11011.°i:41p
ber for Finsbury, and loudly called for I'll of
The Bill now introduced would prevent the go 00
Newgate from being so crowded, and the prisoner!'jt
were committed for trial would be speedily trio'
would be a great saving to the county of Middles.,,,,e
The only objection against the Bill which he heard, 70
that bugbear word "centralisation." That was the_ sAt
objection which he heard against the Bill. He thl7se
it was full time to prevent the evening sittings ~,fl";,.st
Central Criminal Court.—(Hear, hear.) The
,„.I!'',,re
Hon. Baronet then read a letter from the Midcil,
thel
Magistrates, and concluded by saying he hoped).
would be permitted to go into Committee on the P2l'
The House then went into Committee on the 131"'
On clause 1 being proposed, b woe
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the clause, svhLe diet
passed without further opposition, as were the °O3O
clauses of the Bill up to clause 9, hich referred to
chairman's salary.
Mr. BROTHERTON objected to the clause, and 05
posed the following omission, as an amendment, " #
of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain and Ireland'
He moved that the salary be paid out of the coil"i

rates. te
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, if the amendment iii
13
carried, it would have the effect of defeating tbetioty
altogether. If the salary were paid out of the c.,°„l 0
rates, it would have the effect of waking the PP's
private one. de°
Mr. BROTHERTON said he did not wish to ._O5
the Bill ; but considered this provision so pbnolav
that he would divide the House upon it.
The House then divided, when there appeared
For the clause
For the amendment 8
Majority -35
The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 10'
Clause 11 was omitted. Were
Clauses 12, 13, 14, and the remaining clauses _44
agreed to, with a few verbal amendments, and the rer
was ordered to be received to-morrow. do
The Marriages (Ireland) Bill was read a secona
and ordered to be committed on Monday. cod
The Books and Engravings Bill was read a se-
time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. A or
The Militia Pay Bill was read a second time, 103-
dered to be committed on Monday. D
OP)
The report of the Grand Jury Presentment ( u
Bill was received.

ATTORNEYS' CLERKS.
Sir G. CLERK moved for leave to bring in a 131 f
toor
the relief of clerks to attorneys who have omittedipg
enrol their contracts; and for amending the law rels.eg
to the enrolment of such contracts; and to the disabal"
of such clerks in certain cases.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill. ES).
CUSTOMS ACCOUNTS (NEW SOUTH WA—T,I6I
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER as the
for IPave to bring in a Bill to clear up doubt: as tc), is
regulation and audit of the accounts of the Custifgatsill,
New South Wales.—Leave was given to bring in tbC
fr"
The House then adjourned, at Half-past Twelve.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 25.
Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock.
OPENING OLETTERS. '
The Earl orRADNOR gave notice that he womb-A goto o
morrow, put a question to the Noble Lord oppositeoo,
President of the Council, on the subject of the 11
office inquiry (opening of letters).
petit
The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a co,
from Paisley, complaining of the gas works as a nuissa
COUNTY CORONERS BILL foul
The NOBLE MARQUIS also presented a petition , the
the Coroner of Devon, in favour of that clause ja nee
0
County Coroners Bill which gave an increased 00
fur travelling exenses.
The Marquis opf SALISBURY said that the claw
had been struck out, and the Bill had been read
time and passed.
Sill
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY• said, that the
had been read a third time, but he (as Chairman o',. the
the
House at the time) had not put the question . that
" Bill do. pass." ld
The Marquis of NORMANBY said, that he ir no
now move that the clause be restored. He was u(the
means of the same opinion as the Noble Duke the
Duke of Richmond), who moved the omission of
eri
clause, that railroads rendered the travelling of cer°l3
cheaper. the
Lord REDESDALE opposed the re-insertion of of
clause. It was quite evident that the office was 1.3 i•
honour and emolumeut quite sufficient without any 11,,er0
tional profits being conferred on it, for whenever tPex..
was a vacancy the competition was very earnest andktiog
pensive ; and there was, therefore, no reason for Pl'
an increased tax upon the country. vid
The ,Marquis of NORMANBY said he would ',-
the House. a the
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, an
House divided. The numbers were—