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took a note of it before the meeting was held by Mr. O'Con.;.
11°1; I did so on one side of the road.
Show me your note?—l hav'nt it here.
Did you not, to the jury, awhile ago, look at your notes, aria
Pretended to read it from your book ?—I did, and I have it here
(handing a paper to Counsel).
111 r. Fitzgibbon (looking at the paper)—Did you not awhile
ago tell the jury that you made this note the day of meeting ?
+I did not tell them that note.
Did you believe I was speaking of anything else than that
Paper? Did you believe my question was about the paper in
Your hand, or any other paper ?—I cannot answer that question.
Now answer this single question, Where is the original note
from which you say you wrote this book ? I think it is burnt.
Dead men tell no tales : when did you burn it ?—When I
went home after sending in my report.
Were you ordered to take notes ?—I was ordered to take
notice of particular words.
Do'you mistake my words?—l do not remember that I was
ordered to take notes. It was with a pencil I took notes. I
went prepared with paper to take notes.
Report the expression again respecting Saunders.—l will.
It was—" This is the day that will frighten Saunders."
That is what you have written ?—Something to that effect.
Iheard words to that effect from several persons—who said
oaanders would be frightened to-day. Another said " Devil's
acre to him, he would not come down and join the people for

sbid yon not tell me this minute that you made a note of the
?olasse ?—I made a note of it upon the paper that was burnt.
took notes that I did not mention in my report. The book
in my hands is nearly the same as my report. I cannot say
tsat it is so exactly.
Freeman--Let the report be put into the witness's
"ands,
Mr• Fitzgibbon objected to such a course.
Chief Justice—Wait until the cross-examination is over, and
it will be then time enough to put the report in his hand.
Mr. Freeman contended that the document ought to be
Placed at once in the witness's hand, or else that Jr. Fitz-
gibbon shouts' forego the intention of asking the witness any
question respecting it, for it was a fixed rule of law that no
Intness could be interrogated respecting the contents of any
document which was not in the first instance laid before him.
Mr. Fitzgibbon maintained that the document ought not to
!(:. be placed in the witness's hand, and assured the Court that
Mr. Freeman had totally misconceived the drift of his question.
Ile had asked him if the report he had sent in to his superior
oMeer was the same as the book in his hand, thereby plainly
asking him whether he had taken the book from the report,
ar the report from the book? But he did not put any ques-
tion to him as to what was or was not in his report. Ile
merelyi asked him how his report was framed. He wished to
al", whether the book was trained from the report or the
report
from the book, and he was at a loss to think how that
!asald be construed into a question respecting the contests of
the report.
The Attorney-General contended, that according to the
,ate of law it was absolutely necessary that the document should
"c placed in the witness's hrnd. 'lbis point was derisively
fettled in the Queen's case. Mr. Fitzgibbon's question was
thi
„ s--Does the book in your hand correspond with the report
'Ow furnished? and surely this question was, in point of fart,
aatamount to an inquiry as to the contents of the report.
Mr. Justice Crampton (to Mr. Fitzgibbon)—Put your
ittestion again, Mr. Fitzgibbon, if you please, and that may
ecide the controversy.
Mr. Fitzgibbon (to witness)—Now, Sir, tell me this, did
IN copy your report from that book in your hand?
s Witness—The way of it was this.—( Laughter. ) In the
tooknat instance I made out my report from the notes which I
on the day of meeting, and then I copied what I have in
;1 book from my report. copied the report which is in this
w?k from the report which I sent into my office.
Did you copy the book from the report before you sent in the
feport?—Yea
Are you sure new ?—lndeed I think I am. I have ex-
plained' it to you how it was. I took a report from my original
holes, and sent it off, and a copy of that report I brought to
IV station.
.flYbat became of that copy ?—I don't know what became
it. I dare say it is at home—l'm sure I don't know—
ottaY, stay—l elieve I have it here--yes, here it is. This is
e report which I took from my original notes.
Well, read it through, and tell me do you find in it say-
thin•
aout devil's cure to Saud?—(iving
;ter] curbsory glance over his repn
ort.)ers No, `there is g
nothisag
',mst it here.
Fitzgibbon—Why, Sir, you don't think it worth your
while to look through your notes for it? Witness (carelessly)
*--oh, I know it is not in it.
house Were were you when you made out your report ?—ln a
in Baltinglass.
Who owns that house ?—I forget the man's name.
s You forget his name ?—Yes I do. All I know is, that he is
e Carpenter.
He keeps a lodging house. Does he not ?—Yes, he does.
And you lodged in his house, and have been for ten or eleven
ears in Baltinglass, and yet, notwithstanding all this, you forget
" name ?—I do not remember it. I never lodged in his house
-at once.
Your memory most, indeed, be very treacherous, and yet
You can remember what Mr. O'Connell said that day I Passing
Strange that! I think I may let you go down, Sir.
Witness—My Lords, I never was stationed at Baltinglass for
loose than a fortnight, and there are numbers of people there
6hont I don't know.
lilts Fitzgibbon—Go down, Sir.
The witness left the table.
I,The next witness called was Henry Twiss, examined by
tr. Manley, Q.C.-1 am a sub-constable, and was so in
e Month of August last. I was stationed at that time at
s_is.edeross, in the county of Wicklow, which is thirty miles
T'tant from Baltinglass. I was at Baltinglass on the 6th of
;logust last. There was a Repeal meeting there that day.
, arrived at Baltinglass the evening before. I went there
Iduty. I made a report to my officer of what I saw there.
eat in my report on the morning of the next day. This
swfament now handed to me is the report, and was written by
air. There was a great crowd at the meeting. I am not at
In the habit of estimating numbers, but I am sure there
f "es at all events, 5,000 persons at the Baltinglass meeting.
%.,in confident that I am greatly under the mark. I saw Mr.
Connell there, and others whom I don't know. The chair
„al at one time occupied by a gentleman, named Copeland,
"ant near Dunlavie. Another gentleman was subsequently
itarrl,led to the chair. The second chairman was some persan
lo Kilcullen Bridge. I was at the meeting about one
thee"k' I mixes in the crowd. I was ordered to attend
e Q.meeting in plain clothes and I did so. I saw people
erar:_as from various directions, some came from
her others from Tallow. I was on the plat-
of II at one time, at another time I was within five yards
it. I heard people in the crowd make various political ob-
servations. I heard some people saying Ireland was trampled
On but she shall be so no longer. The time is nearer than
/ou think. Let us wait patiently for some months. Ireland
Was trampled on long enough but she shall be so no longer."
The meeting lasted, as well as I remember, from about half-past
ta.o te six o'clock. I was shown Mr. Steele there that day.
i sag the Rev. Mr. Murtagh there. He made a speech. I
%not state what he said as I made no report of it.
„n, Cross-examined by Mr. M'Donogh—l took no notes of what
al said by the speakers.
I presume that when you heard the people say, " the time
I:e_nearer than you think," they were speaking of the Re-
-1 of the Union ?—I could not say ; but you may suppose
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If you like.
thYroa are not able to ascribe any other meaning to it ; but
repeal of the union was the subject they were discussing ?
It was.
allDSou see all the people retire?—l can't say I saw them
etire, but I saw them going away in every direction.
ts there was no breach of the peace at that meeting ?—Not
ost
collet see.
na
fliAt, no tendency to a breach of the peace ? No ; not the
test
verything went off very peaceably ?—lt did.
ey Ins exceedingly sorry you did not take ample notes of
ilthing that occurred there. You may go down.
tirouir,. Moore again begged to know whether their Lordships
loth u consider the traversers affected by expressions that any
ritte"jduals might think fit to use after the meeting hall sepa-
l', ka••
Their Lordships would see how dangerous the effect of
If line of examination might be ; they lad lately ruled that
Pistl."' in coming to a meeting conducted themselves in a
550,.,,,a1ar way, and thereby gave a character to the meeting, it
Rein
be admissible ; but it struck his mind that it would be
feet g a very dangerous length to allow the traversers being af-
f, 'd by conversation between individuals, when going home
tsc:l6 a Meeting. No man could possibly be safe, if such a doc-
A;ras that was held.
51e, s Hatehell fellowed on the same side. A party might be
e.and 'fed by what to t p!ace at a meeting where he was present,
ieh he had the option of withdrawing, if he
and not affirming by his presence his sanction of the
etion'e and tranquil at a meeting, when it separated his
triett,,l'on with it ceased ; it was impossible for him to set
duet:
right, or to be answerable for the conduct or miscons
aho tlie language or declarations of those parties, or of parties
lao,ea:ght not have been at that meeting at all, although coming
fro% tilings• But, suppose everything tine have keen fair,
111411 e direction of it—it would be surely nsistent that a
11,„ altould be affected in character, property, liberty, or per-
aoee'ohnitsroliife, by the conversations of persons over whom he had
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polite Lenehan sworn and examined by Mr. Tomb—l am a
lest. "ie°nstable. I was at Baltinglass on the 6th of August
Connell. 'ass the people coming into the town to meet Mr.
thos I cannot say how many, but there were some
kiVands there. I saw them going over the bridge of
tißlatis on the Dublin road. I was at the meeting when
41), " Connell came there. I was in plain clothes. I was
of
,thirty yards from the platform. I saw Father Lalor
high aainglass there, and Mr. Steele. and the Rev. Mr. Mur-
that h °t. Kilcullen. I heard Mr. O'Connell tell the people
Wouieswas glad to see them there, and that he hoped they
all sh ut there when be came again.—(Great laughter). They
the bn I ted at that. After the meeting was over went across
raei,;'nge towards Baltinglass, in the direction of the ber-
th, The place was very much thronged. I heard some of
Atreople sayin
.
eca the
your Lordship think this is evidence to
the ratne traversers—what was said or done by the people after
thess.e7ting had Lakin place, and whether that can give a
itir.ser. to the meetg?
log wa Tomb submitted that the effect produced by the meet-
s evidence.
thi4al Justice—The objection may be premature ; but I
Witwoe cannot exclude the evidence.
°rate "a—l was obliged to stop on the bridge, it was so
the mod, and‘ there was such a lot of people there;. one of
assa, 41", Repeal is certain now—we must get it ;" another
Laid, '‘,"‘"o do not get it quietly we will fight for it ;" another
la, We will turn rut to a man and fight for repeal."
the far is the bridge of Baltinglass from the place where
linteling was held ?—I think it is about half a mile.
heasr Jong after the proceedings at the meeting was it you
Werth"e expressions?—lt was not an hour.
..sThee the people going home from the meeting at the time?
Alr.Yiftere going off in every direction at the time.
guest. Tomb respectfully submitted that this was a proper
neultlo..l to he asked, anal that the evidence as to what the wit-
troliwA"rd the people say on the bridge was admissible, on the
Thel'eit.,ha.t it tended to show what the nature of the meeting
pea`,lttie effect likely to be produced by the language used.
i_lPPekrete tised the expressions sworn to by the witness
at", t)0 be part of the crowd that met at that meeting, and
11,1'.11;4ustiveehasat_rweamsplitaoind.(to witness)—Was it in a house you
"J those words 7
wltne,a__,, •
no, on the bridge.
r,llls. Talis'le Crampton—l thought you went into house.
s-eum,el
asuo—No, my Lord, he said the bridge. The Learnesi
leta, taltblegr submitted that the evidence of the witness was
Ihnazsmuch as it characterised that meeting. He was
tiri` aware
there was any express or direct authority upon
tahhoeltwPetaohienthtp:ebnraaaottntsn the ease of the Manchester riots, it was ruled
who seemed to have attended a meeting
nature of. that meeting.
*_.ll4lo%;leasst_ice Perrin—In that case it was what they said
nt the ..._ 'onapelled others to go with them and to form part
mr meeting.
coo,: Moore thought that in the absence of authority the
and t had "1 to look to common sense and common justice;
ttlsenotahgttl:°ro_ldeYratsk them, if, after a meeting was over, men
.talaed thtuty_
eo act illegally, that every individual who at-
g. fur mar? tgsug
hone hour before, was to be made respon-
rh aad Justice.c a thing was inconsistent with common
the Altos%
vithess eY-General submitted that the eviden e f
.13 t, Was admissible In the case of Bedford against
Partylioinue_circumstat;ce arose. from expressions used by the
:5 to the meeting, and Mr. Justice Holroyd decided

(and the decision was affirmed by the full Court on the mo-
tion for a new trial), that the evidence was admissible in-
asmuch as it was calculated to show the character of the in-
tended meeting. In the present case, the evidence of the
witness now under examination, went to prove that statements
were made by persons coming from the meeting at Baltinglass
in reference to the question asked at that meeting, whether,
when Mr. O'Connell came again they would be there to meet
him, or questions to that effect. It was a question for the jury
as to the way that language was understood. Then they had
the people leaving that meeting, declaring that they were
ready to turn out and fight for repeal if necessary. Common
sense told them that what was understood by that meeting
was more calculated to be proved by what they
said after the meeting was over than before they came
there. He contended that the meeting was not over because
the people might be dispersing. In the 15th volume of the
State Trials, page 553, they would find it so laid down ; and
suppose that some of the parties who attended the meeting at
Baltinglass went off to Mr. Saunders's house, and committed
an act of violence on it going from the meeting, he insisted that
would be evidence against every person that spoke at that
meeting. The Attorner-General then read the case which he
relied on, and contended that the people alluded to were
coming from the meeting, and that the actions and expres-
sions of such people could be given in evidence, as the acts
of the party who attended the meeting. They had it in evi-
dence already that the people were heard to say that we must
have repeal, as we are sober and determined men ; and could
it be said that they could net give such declarations in evidence
after the meeting, when declarations before the meeting were
admissible?

Mr. Whiteside sustained the objection, and said the case cited
by the Attorney-General made entirely for his ( Mr. W.'s)
clients. He read from page 111, Philips on Evidence, and said
it was ruled that the conduct of persons going to a meeting
could be received in evidence, because it was a declaration of
the thing done before the meeting ; but anything said or done
after was not evidence, and of course could not be received.
He read from page 20i of Philips, and contended that it was
in his favour.

Judge Crampton—This is a very important matter ; it is
stated that in the case of Dr. Sacheverell, the declarations were
made by the mob after the meeting.
Mr. Hatchell—lt says mob, but it does not state that the
matter took place after the meeting, but merely a. mob that ac-
companied him to the Temple.
Judge Crampton—That is very important ; if it was made
before the meeting the case is settled, but if after it does not
exactly apply to this ca,e, and therefore I think we ought to
investigate the matter.
Mr. Whiteside—Here are two men who are met, half a
mile from the place of meeting, shouting, and that at an hour
after the meeting. If such things could be given in evidence,
the acts of the parties next day might be admitted. The case
of Lord George Gordon was where the expressions were used
by the mob while they were pulling down a house.
The Attorn-y-General—ln page 553 of the State Trials you
will find it was the mob who accompanied Doctor Sacheverell
after the meeting was over.
Judge Crampton—The evidence was that a mob accom-
panied him to the Temple; but it does not say they did so
from the meeting ; and that is the important fact to be
understood.

The Attorney-General—What we rely on is this, that the
declarations of those persons is part of the re: iliac of the case.
Judge Perrin—lf it was proved that a shouting and expres-
sions were used by the body of the meeting, it would be a dif-
ferent thing; but here are two men, not apparently connected
with the meeting, and away from it, using certain expressions.
Mr. Moore—And there is no evidence that they were even
at the meeting.
The Chief Justice—Let that fact be ascertained.
Mr. Tomb (to witness)—Where were the men ?—On the
bridge when I came up. I can't swear that they formed a
portion of the people who were at the meeting.
Judge Crampton—The Crown in this case had better not
press the evidence.
Mr. Moore—lf the jury have taken any notes of this evi-
dence the Court will please order it to be struck out.
The Chief Justice told the jury to strike out the evidence.
Cross-examined by Mr. Moore, Q. C.--I knew of the meet-
ing before, as it was quite notorious ; heard of it for about three
weeks before that time ; it was quite notorious in all the dis-
trict, and we all knew it was a meeting for the Repeal of the
Union ; all was quiet at the meeting ; there was perfect peace,
110 acts of violence were committed; I did not see anything
like the least breach of the peace.
The Court and Jury retired for a quarter of an hour.
Manus Hughes sworn and examined by Mr. Holmes—ls in
the police, acting constable, was stationed in August
.within
twenty-one miles of Baltinglass ; was at Baltinglass on hie 6th
of August last ; there was a great assemblage of people there
on that day ; thinks he knows Mr. O'Connell ; he (Mr.
O'Connell, was pointed out to witness at the meeting ; never
saw him before. Witness went to Baltinglass the day before
the meeting ; he went to the meeting in plain clothes.
People were coming into the town all the morning. Saw Mr.
O'Connell about two o'clock; he came in by the turnpike
road, the Dublin one. There were a great many people
with him. When witness saw him, it was when he was
coming near the platform. Witness took notes of what passel
that day ; he wrote them next morning. Wiil swear to their
correctness.

Cross-examined by Mr. O'Hagan—Thera was no breach
of the peace ?—There was not, nor any appearance of one.
Did the people go away peaceably after the meeting ?—Yes.
John Macan examined by Mr. Smyley—ls a police-con-
stable. Was at Clontibret on the 15th of August. The Rev
Mr. Tierney was there. (Witness here identified Mr. Tierney
in Court ) It was a large meeting. The Rev. Mr. Tierney
said the Union was carried by every species of fraud and cor-
ruption.
( The witness here stated some particulars of an interview he
had with Mr. Tierney previous to the meeting.)
Do you remember anything else he said 7-1 do. He talked
with regard to the feeling for repeal having become general,
and had extended itself (or words to that effect) to the army.
I recollect his saying that it would not now be so easy to spill
the blood of their fellow-men who were seeking their rights
peaceably.
Repeat, and repeat slowly, what Mr. Tierney said about the
army ?—I cannot speak as to the precise words, but I will take
care not to exaggerate them. Pie said the army was now in
favour of repeal, and that it partook •f the enthusiasm of the
people, and that they could not be led to bayonet their fellow-
men who were seeking to redress their grievances peaceably.
Do you remember anything else that passed between you ?
I do. I recollect his saying on that occasion—" See what the
army has done in Spain." This was on the 16th of June.
A juror—Was this a private conversation with Mr. Tierney?
—I do not know what you may esteem it. I was there on duty
to inquire about the meeting.
Was nobody present but Mr. Tierney ?—There was a per-
son with him who retired as I came; but there was nobody
within hearing at the time the conversation passed.
Mr. Smyley—You just began to say something about what
Mr. Tierney said respecting the soldiers in Spain.
Did Mr. Tierney say anything then ?—He did ; the conver-
sation might have lasted about a quarter of an hour, but I can-
not charge my memory with everything that occurred.
Do you recollect anything more 7—He spoke about the As-
sociation. He said if it did not ultimately attain its object, it
would at least have done thus muck—that the country would
get something else besides bayonets.
Judge Perrin—Repeat that, repeat what he did say ?—He
said that the Association, even if it should not finally or ulti-
mately succeed in gaining its object, it had done so much at
least, that the country would got other measures than the
bayonet. or words to that effect.
Mr. Moore—Did you take any notes of the conversation
with Mr. Tierney, on the 16th of June ?—I made a short
entry of the substance of some of it. 1 made an entry of that
portion of it having reference to the period at which the meet-
ing was to be held.
Have you these notes with you at present ?—I have an ex-
tract of them. Here is the note which I took of one passage
of the conversation (and that the only passage), immediately
after tie conversation.

When did you take that note ?—That is part of a note which
I took on the very day of the meeting, on the 16th of June. I
entered that in my diary.
Come; come, Sir, I am not asking you anything about your
diary. Take that piece of paper in your hand, Sir, and tell me
is that the note you took of the conversation of June 16th?
—That is a copy of the note which I entered in any diary on
the occasion in question.
What has become of your diary ?—I suppose it is at the
station in the county.
Who has the care of it there?—The senior constable. I
saw it last on the day I was coming up to town, namely,
on the 10th of this month. I made the entry on the very day
of the conversation, but as I have already told you it only refers
to that portion of the dialogue which alluded to the time of
holthrg the meeting. There it no other remark upon the
same subject except that of which this document is a copy.
Read out your note.— (Witness here read his note, which
was somewhat to the following effect :—" 16th of June. Saw
Priest Tierney upon the subject of the contemplated meeting.
He said that the time was not as yet fixed for the meeting,
that it depended on the convenience of some barristers who were
to attend, but that he would give due and proper notice to the
authorities when the day was settled," &c., &c.—(Laughter.)
Have you in your diary any note of Ar. Tierney's expres-
sions relative to repeal, Spain, and the army ?-Islo, 1 have not.
I did not think it necessary to make any note of them.
I did not ask you what might or might not appear reces-
sary to your sublime judgment; I merely asked you had you
any note of those expressions ?—No, I have not a word on the
subject in my diary.
Were there any magistrates at that meeting?—There were.
Do you know their names?-1 recollect having seen Mr.
Plunkett at that meeting.

How far was he from the platform ?—About half a quarter of
a mile.
Did you see any other magistrates there ?—I saw Mr. Gould
about the cams distance from it that the police and army were.
Oh 1 then, there was an army, and police, and magistrates,
there ?—Yes.
Who had the army brought there ?—Why, I made report
of the meeting as somras I heard it was to take place, and I
can't say who brought them there after that.
Tell us your opinion as to what caused them to be brought
these ?—My opinion is that when the report was made to the
officer of the district, he made a report, and upon that they
were brought there.
Was that meeting a very peaceable one ?—Yee.
You saw no breach of the peace there ?-INe.
How many magistrates were there altogether ?—I think
four—. Mr. Plunkett, Mr. Gould, Mr. Hamilton, and 1 believe
Captain Wilcocks.
William Thompson sworn, and examined by Mr. Baker—l
am a head constable of police. I was stationed at Castleblay-
ney, in the county Monaghan, in the month of August last. I
remember the meeting at outibret on the 15th of August.
I was there on duty. I was in uniform. I remember seeing
gentlemen comeon the platform. I was close to it, so that I
could hear part of the speeches delivered. I saw the chair
taken by a gentleman whom I understand to be Captain
Seaver. I heard him say sJmething which I took a note of on
the platform'. I have that note by me. I took notes of what
was said by others, besides Captain Seaver.
What did you hear Captain Seaver say. ?—I heard him ask
the meeting if they had all got Repeal cards? A voice cried
out that they would. He said, " Loose no time in getting
them. I have reason for saying so. Other.- Associations have
signs and pass-words by which they might know each other. I
know no better way for you to know each other than by pro-
ducing your Repeal card."
Have you anything more that fell from the chairman 7—l
have.

Proceed then.—The chairman afterwards desired the people
when the meeting terminated to depart to their homes peace-
ably, and to insult no person.
Is that the whole of which you have notes of the chairman's
speech ?—Yes.
Do you recollect anything the chairman said, that you have
not on your notes ?—I do not recollect anything else.
You said you heard other speeches, and took notes of them ?
_Yes.
Do you recollect a gentleman of the name of Daunt at that
meeting?—Yee.
Have you any note of the speech wade by him?—l have.
Did you hear him deliver it ?—I did.
State what he said?—Mr. O'Neil Daunt said, " I bless God
that I belong to this land—l bless God that I belong to this
people. This people shall have this land if they are worthy,
and who dare say that you are not worthy. The Repeal move-
ment now or never, now and for ever. If Peel and Wel-
lington came and said we will give you everything you want,
only give up Repeal, we would not—never. Before God
we swear they shall never bully us out of it. The Irish Par-
liament would afford us the po xer of our keeping it, if we had
it ; still we will stand to our colours, and proceed in the way

O'Connell marked out for us." The speaker, after enumerating
the different grievances he said the peuple of Ireland laboured
under, said "in place of six struggles, one struggle will do
for all."
Mr. Baker—Read that again. . . _

Mr. Henri—lf the Condor jury require it, I have no ob-
jection ; but I do object to counsel requiring a witness to re-
peat a thing over and over again.
Mr. Baker—l thought the words might not have been dis-
tinctly heard.
Mr. Justice Crainpton—The way in which I understand the
witness was this—that the speaker, after enumerating what
he called grievances, said, " In place of having separate
battles for each of these, one battle, or one struggle would do
for all.' "

Did he say anything more ?—Yes, he said, 4. Are we not
as good as the English ?" A voice said, " Better"—( A
laugh)—we are here to-day, to tell John Bull that we shall
have it—lreland shall be free, for Ireland deserves her liberty.
The Clontibret boys will fight the Repeal battle to the last,
with God's blessing ; to stand to our co!ours for Repeal, and
nothing but Repeal."
Is that the whole of it ?—lt is.

Cross-examined by Mr. Henn, Q. C.—Sbew me that note ?
The witness handed up the book, which contained the passages
alleged to have been spoken by Mr. Daunt.
Were you on the platform when you took tkia T—l was when
I took part of it.
Did )ou sse any magistrates ~there?—l paw no magistrate*
immediately at the platform ; they were at some distance.
How far from the platform were yon when you heard Mr.
Daunt speak 2—At the end of the platform; it might have been
two or three yards from it.
Did you take down these words, " the people shall have this
land if they are worthy, and who dare say that you are not
worthy" while he was speaking ?—No, I did not ; I repeated a
part of it now from memory.
On your oath could you ever take a fell note of a leug sen-
tence ?—No, I could not.
Was not the meeting perfectly quiet ?—Perfectly quiet.
And most peaceable ? It was most peaceable indeed. I
should say there was some disorder on getting on the platform.
That was in consequence of the pressure, was it not?—lt was.
Was there any tendency to a breach of the peace? —Not the
least tendency to it. The platform was crowded, and there
was a person whose duty it was to preserve order, and prevent
too many persons from going up there, or crowding it too much.
Was there any objection to your taking notes there ?—Not
the lc ast objection.
All was done openly, and without the least appearance of
concealment ?—Yes, certainly ; everything was done openly.
James Walker sworn. . . . .

Mr. Napier was proceeding to examine this witness, whets
he was interrupted by the Court, who then consulted together
for a few minutes., A directory was handed up to the Bench,
and after looking into it, the Chief Justice desired the tipstaff
to inquire if Samuel Maunsell, of 52, Leeson-street, was in
Court.

He was then called, and did not appear.
The Chief Justice then said—l am very sorry that the
progress of this important trial, and the business of the
Court, should be interrupted by a letter which has been
presented to us, very properly, by the High Sheriff; and un-
less the gentleman wit has written this paper, the eontents cif
which I cannot now explain, can very satisfactorily account for
it, I must apprise him, or any friend of his who may be
present, that I consider it a most improper attempt to interfere
with the High Sheriff in the discharge of the duties of his
office. He must attend the Court at its sitting in the morn•
ing, and let him be now called again.
He was again called, but did not answer.
Mr. Justice Crampton—The High Sheriff has most pro-
perly handed up this paper to us—in fact he wo act very
wrong if he did not.
Mr. Justice Perrin—lf any friend of that gentleman be in
Court he should apprise him of the necessity of attending here
in the morning, and to be very cautious how he conducts him-
self in the mean time. _

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Mr. Napier then proceeded with the examination—Do you
belong to the constabulary 2—Yes, lam a sub-inspeetor. I
am stationed at Trim, in the county of Meath. I remember
the 15th of August, the day of the meeting at Tara. I was
there that day; there were two other officers of the con-
stabulary with me. I was there under the command of Capt.
Despard, stipendiary magistrate. Captain Despard was there.
I was on the ground ►efore the meeting commenced ; when on
the ground I saw part of the people coming ; they appreaehed
to the meeting from all directions. There were probably
100,000 persons present. I observed music and banners.
There were also bands; the bands generally had uniforms.
Cross-examined by Mr. Close—Was there a great crowd
there ?—Yes.

Was that large crowd together for some hours ?—Yes.
lam right in saying that the people were perfectly peace-
able ?—Yes.

Was there any thing in their conduct to create alarm ?—I
saw nothing to do so.

George iiespard, Esq., sworn and examined by Sergeant
Warren.—Was in the constabulary. Is resident magistrate in
the county Mewl'. Recollects the 15th August last. Was
in Trim on that day. Saw the assemblage of people in Trim
on that day. They marches through the town to Tara. Tara
is distant from Trim about six Irish miles. It would be im-
pos.ible to estimate the numbers present ; but my own opinion
is, that there were one hundred thousand at least. The
number of those on horseback was about seven thousand. I
counted nineteen temperance bands. I did not see any person
on the platform assume die command of the people. The
meeting commenced about half-past two, and ended about four
o'clock. They parted of a sudden as if there had been some
preconcerted plan. I was standing on a ditch looking at the
procession of Mr. O'Connell coming up, and a man said it is
not gentlemen whom O'Connell wants here to-day. I turned
and looked at him with astonishment, snd I asked him, " Well,
then, and whom does he want ?" and he said, " He wants
men with bone and sinew like me, who will be able
to do the work when the harvest comes."—(Sensation. ) I
asked him where did he come from. He said from the
barony of Shelmonier, and that 2,t00 came with him,
and that 3,000 joined him in the county of Kildare. Mr.
O'Connell's procession having passed by, he turned round to
me and said—You did not take off your hat for Mr. O'Connell
I answered, that I did not. He said, you do net belong to our
party ; 1 replied, certainly not ; I knew, returned he, by the
curl of your lip, that you. did not belong to our party ; upon
which I said that I was very glad that he had told so much
truth; in truth, my man, I continued, I (for I wished to get
rid of him) am amusing myself here. When he had said these
words a man came up and said to kim, you have spoken enough
to that gentleman, you had better came away now. On going
down the hill of Tara the people shouted and cheered for the fo..
reigners. They mistook Major Westenra for a foreigner. They
cried. long life to the foreigners, without them we would never
be able to get Repeal. They shouted for Mr. Ledroolan. I
afterwards discovered that they meant M. Ledru Rollin.
Cross-examined by Mr. Hatchell—l do not reside in Trim.
I was desired to attend at Tara on duty. I saw the people move
from Trim in the morning. I went to the end of the town to
see the people pass. Have been for twenty years stationed in
that district. My person is well known by men, women, and
children. I jumped up on a wall to see the procession pass.
The temperance bands had a new uniform. Does not know
the distance of Shelmonier from Tara. Believes it to be about
thirty miles.
Mr Hatcheli—lndeed it is sixty-five miles from Dublin, add
Tara to that. Come now—
Multiplication is a vexation—
Addition is twice as bad ;
but I won't set you mad with fractions—so now dot and carry
one, and will not that, make Shelmonier above seventy miles
distant?
Who was speaking at the time you mention ?—Mr. O'Connell
was speaking at the time the people were going away. There
were two platforms, but I cannot tell whether one was ex-
clusively devoted to ladies. There was not the slightest ten-
dency to disturbance at any of the meetings.
John Robertson, police constable, was then sworn and ex-
amined by
Mr. Bennett, Q.C.—Was at the Clifden meeting on the 17th
Septetuber last. Saw the people passing from Connemara.
Saw them from the barracks. They were between four and
five thousand in number. The meeting was held on a flat, at
the back of which there was a rising ground. Saw the Rev.
Mr. Nlaenamara, the Roman Catholic curate, on horseback, at
the head of a body of horsemen. Saw Repeal cards in their
hats. Heard them, as they came down, called " The Bailin-
skill Repeal Cavalry." The number of horsemen was about
one hundred.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzgibbon—Mr. Murray is a pawn-
broker, residing in Abbeygate. street. He was considered to
be a wealthy man. The persons who came with Mr. Murray
were Connemara men. Some had bridles and saddles on the
horses, but a great many were without either bridles or saddles.
The people were perfectly quiet. The policemen were walking
in and out of the barrack. Captain Ireland, the commander
of the police, was in and out of the barracks all day. There
were a great many women at the meeting. A great many of
the boys and women were barefootod. Did not see any wea-
pons with them. Many of the bridles were made of rope, and
many of their saddles were mv.de of hay and straw.
It being now halt-past four o'clock, the Court rose.

A DEBATE IN THE. HOUSE Or COMMONS IN 1781.
MARCH 22.-I'r. (Tiding thence to the lobby of the Com-
mons' House, I found it filled with gentry in livery ;
just peeping in, I went directly to the hatch leading to
the ante-chamber of the gallery, which the cid enfeebled
keeper opened to me. After the delay of a quarter of
an hour, I obtained entrance, and found many persons
there before me. The House was very full below ;
among others, Lord North, whom I discovered on the
Treasury bench by his blue ribbon. The Members sit
with their hats on, but always uncover when they rise
to speak, and on departure salute the chair by a bow.
The Speaker is always covered, and with the clerks
habited in black gowns; after some time, he commanded
to order, and some Members to their seats ; then direct-
ing his looks to a Mr. Minchin, with a motion of his
head, the Member arose, when a profound silence ensuel,
and continued to be observed through the whole of the
speech. * * During the course of his speech, he
was now and then interrupted by a murmur on the
other side of the House, which was at times succeeded to
by " Hear him, hear him," and very generally attended
to. Sir George Young followed, but was less minded.
Sir Charles Bunbury spoke next, who made a long, and
more formal oration on same side, pretty well listened
to, and frequently complimented with "Hear him, hear
him ;" which expression was also used to two men, who
followed, viz., Admiral Keppel, who spoke well, and
with some warmth, and Sir Hugh Palliser, who was
called by name by his party. He having finished, and
sat down, the House resounded with "Burke, Burke ;"
hereupon the Irish orator arose, and in a loud and manly
voice, with singular energy and compass of expression,
and a torrent of eloquence, reprobated Sir Hugh's ac-
count, exposed the futility of his arguments, excited
universal attention, and frequently raised more than a
smile in the features of his listening hearers."—ln a
letter describing the same debate, Mr. Curwen says :
" The great Irish-born orator, Mr. Burke, spoke, and
his thundering elocution fixed the attention of the House;
and his wit and satire diverted them, and produced peals
of laughter."
THE FATE OF THE INVENTOR OP THE GUILLOTINE.
—His retreat was so profound, that it was said, and
readily believed, that he too had fallen a victim to his
own invention. But it was not so ;he was indeed impri-
soned during the Jacobin reign of t, rror—his crime
being, it is said (Guyot, p. 8), that he testified an indis
erect indignation at a proposition made to him by
Danton to superintend the construction of a triple
guillotine. There is no doubt that a double instrument
was thought of, and it is said that such a machine was
made, and intended to be erected in the great hall of
the Valais de Justice, but was certainly never used ;
and we should very much, and for many reasons, doubt
whether it could have been a desiFn of Danton. The
general gaol delivery of the 9th ['hermidor released
Guillotin, and he afterwards lived in a decent mediocrity
of fortune at Paris, esteemed, it is said, by a small circle
of friends, but overwhelmed by a deep sensibility to the
great, though we cannot say wholly undeserved, misfor-
tune which had rendered his name ignominious, and his
very existence a subject of fearful curiosity. He just
lived to s+ e the restoration, and died in his bed, in Paris,
on the 26th of May, 1814, at the age of seventy-six.—
Quarterly Review.