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London, England, 1844-03-26 00:00:00

was more good among the labourers of this coin
than any other upon the face of the earth, bec"::bie
they had not, Noble Lords on that, and lionono
Members on the other side of the :House, -*venial"'
them mad.—(Great laughter.) to sae
Mr. V. SMITH would not take three der „tale
swer the observations of the Right
Baronet, although he had done so to ansn,T,, had
He would explain to the House what he reatc? that
said. The Right Hon. Gentleman had stat,te r.hee
he (Mr. V. Smith) had asserted that the %day,
would be the resource of those driven etOof the
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and that high wages were productive of ~;eyousii
Now, the Right Hon. Gentleman had moll b;hat the
misrepresented him. What he said was, le who
poor-law was a provision for those poor re'lKsteeoe.
could not possibly themselves obtain a subin‘ ..„3 of
He had not said that crime, was the consequetVois
high wages in the sense stated by the Right ,note
Baronet, but that high wages being disproeoryn
and unusual were generally the cause of dissiebigli
the recipients. The reason of this was, that leers,
wages were generally conferred upon hard-Or_ot
over exertion produced excitement, and excitenng
stimulated men to the use of strong liquor, anistiis,
liquor led to immorality.—(Hear, hear.) ,:bigh
was the sense in which he used the phrase who
wages," and he appealed to any lion. Mernheritier
had heard him.—(Hear, hear, from the Toil P so
bers.) That such was the effect of high wagessoo
those who received them, he appealed to anlixtcriet
conversant with the condition of the malint.„,eior
districts, and to the Report of the Childten's„-"-,tred
ment Commission. In that report the levt'eriso
Alexander Gilmour, minister of the Pres,"Ywitges
Congregation in Greenock, said that MP'
Jr.
would promote intemperance rather than corafortsi,e,
Hall, of Wolverhampton, before the same Con'
lro"-Oh
stated that the best workmen were the ofteneste oftes
from the same reason ; he said such men
sorooo,
a whole week together drunk. The Right fbis
Gentleman was unable to support his version °,4
(Mr. V. Smith's) speech by any report of it
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newspaper in the kingdom. He very much regrebot
the determination to which the Government jegt.
come—(Hear; hear)—and the thought the Right lot
Gentleman would not in his cooler moments sai,:a be
an hour's labour a day less than at present vir!'cote
the ruin of the country, which seemed to bee °I
sistent with good sense and experience.—(flear,,/ the
Sir J. GRAHAM said he wag serrststh°
Hon. Gentleman had felt himself bound to silk' j,Toe
(Sir J. Graham) had put words into his Inent'to
thing, he could assure the House, was
intention. He had taken a note of the lion. Gent :440011
farther from
words at the time he spoke them, and wads
did understand him to say that high e
productive of immorality and vice in the fowl'?
tricts ; and the report of the Hon. Gentleman's swhieb
in the Morning Chronicle agreed with the notes,roase
he had taken, and which he had stated to the J-i the
The Right Hon. Baronet then proceeded to re
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extract from the Morning Chronicle, but wee idol'
rupted by cries of " Order" from the 010011
The Right Hon. Gentleman appealed to the ~prisotr
vv
whether or not he was in order. It as rah
matter—it affected him personally—and as „57 bt tv
put it to the House whether he had not a ITSO
explain and defend himself.—(Loud cries of 't otily
hear.") After reading the extract the Ei,gh,,
Baronet said that although there was sucit;of OP,
cidence between his statement and the rePel",,fiaaeu
Hon. Gentleman's speech in the newspat)e.r:sa the
to, still, as the Hon. Gentleman had diselaigler
observations in the sense in which they. wertp fle°'
stood by him, he would of course give t';,qttita
Gentleman full credit for his explanation, and 1101,
willing to believe that he had misunderstood ht ins
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Sir ROBERT INGLIS was aimienteh
friendly spirit, to observe upon one phrase w""ary °
been used by his Right Hon. Friend the Seel the
State for the Home Department. He Said
were three courses which were open for the sir
ment to recommend to the House, and the
ro in
Hon. Gentleman maintained those three ngisogba)
full possession of his faculties and temper •-•%1 poor.,
—recommended a particular course whieh,,," sek
not then stop to examine ; but he woni",,..estf'
Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of her P.:ispter
Government, whether he considered the ssil°
sion used by the. Right Hon. Gentleman be
those Members on that side of the Rouse wr. Pe
supported the Noble Lord were just and Pre,„ePetisofe
wished to know, whether the Right Hon. ,/, C.
and the Cabinet adopted the phrase Cseapi
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course of Legislation" used by the Right bee
demon in reference to the twenty-three gefot Ors
that House who had been almost the e 1
porters of of the present Government since t" 111;
into office. He put the question to his Itigoffetel..,
Friend (Sir R. Peel), he need not use aniesti tbly;
expression, nor apply any epithet nor 50' 014•
which might engender bad feeling; butted Tithe e%.;
down by asking, if the Government adopsortest/
pressions of the Right Hon. Baronet, the
of State for the Home Department. , too
Sir J. GRAHAM rose, apparently 'ab;hra°
under some excitement, and said—l used tlltb sob;
—(A pause)—l am answerable for it, and It fl° i
biro ~
mission to the House, I will answer the
Gentleman, or, if he will allow me to esti. f
my Right Hon. Friend. Notwithstann"" 0,01
friendly spirit"—(A laugh)—in which niftbst
Hon. Friend put the question, I must
to
did not act quite fairly in attempting t° P„, sopsg
Cabinet responsible for my words, for 1130.1ressi,
Hon. Friend very well knew that, for
of
Co 0,
used in the heat of debate by a member (n t 00.
net, all the members of the Cabinet are °ea t
sible—none but the member of it wilereoes,o3
That phrase does not affect, and has no feehen 70 0
any deliberations here or elsewhere. „",,,,,aa
the phrase, I distinctly stated that I ha,"-relor:the
newspaper within forty-eight hours, and ' cerr, psi
I hope the Right Hon. Gentleman will nett it ei
expression further than the words warra°;:aesn :jet
used in the heat of debate, and I did not of 0
disrespect to my Right Hon. Friend, or
Hon. Member.—(Hear, hear.) b toreeilsied
Sir R. INGLIS said the intimaeY sten" Jo
aanndd, the
aßnsigwhetr Hon. B aruonesettiown,as of c"."
whether li es b°,,00
call him friend, he canedly' answered tb!'sv auerty
he would long call him so.—(Cheers.) ~
was to the Right Hon. Gentleman at the ileoeio'''
Government, who had not answered his
(Laughter, in which Sir R. Peel joined.) t, Oro,
Mr. BERNAL did not think ,t"e6reltsti
sion of his Right Hon. Friend (Sir f fl-11
,e o
should affiliate the Government in the plir'iseieent te,
the Hon. Gentleman the Member for the ere P" of
of Oxford complained. The Government ;04°13101
speak of the dagger of invading the of Dierti
labour, and interfering with the hoursuno
work. The principle had been acted tftio e
niog
years ago. The door had been opened ,t° ree,:thr
of legislation forty years ago, in the ActiSsses Bare
parochial apprentices. The operative c mos The
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give a dee,lu r e pre
the question of his Noble Friend. -8-" e he of ,Jein
sanctioned by the House in CommittePotine'"fijela
pared to say that the Government wealunottint„eg al'
its limitations adult female labourers' "`"-
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on the same footing as infant labourers t dew
ready placed upon, s te
Mr. HINDLEY said he had taken: -vestigailsors
pains during the last fifteen years to 1,01,10 ostir
subject. If the working-men gota t rest
Bill by. their own efforts, they would not
mark
fled with it, but proceed farther. reel
tine IP°
Mr. FERRAND said—l rise ton°.-1, the felef
which the Right Hon. the Secretary.
Department made—l allude to his ar" order'Diein'
words " Jack Cade."—(Cries of "Or 000.
the Right Hon. Baronet retracts-'( pet
ber having been called to order) over. t, clio"
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had •s objeco, of
again, during his arguments on t.hitig•
claimed the slightest intention of anYv rd, at the
fensive or general application of the Idoctien •
Mr. FERRAND expressed his sa. esti%
explanation of the Right lion. Baronet,
this
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Lord JOHN RUSSELL said as 1402tesjoft'
was ene -of vast importance, he
would state the course which lie Pr,nceislatlf-pete
In this case the general principles 0' „ 70014; csr°
been departed from. What could be left to th.
dbe that v'J-
principle than that children shoul
of their parents to educate and prorction rot ;4.031,
should be dependent upon paternal atnte sob II fo:
ing and seeing after their interests r ei to
principle upon which all legislation_rertbe'y , to.
those matters were concerned. But as neceso,l7ceir
that principle ? No. They found lb, the bio,otro'
hopedthoesed to. 0 hoi
depart from it, and in the beginning dz" first 40,
tury a man of most benevolent intention,eo to,sl:sine,
duced a measure on the subject, and again the_ or
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eiple had been departed from, inipvont
ptioosnite.of
Ththeree Rwigasht
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in this matter, and that
should be bLuflrdeeheto
mostdispo speroofiftailvisiliolalb;urrseeireeoSlict:
make whatever contracts they likedfriA's"tero,l tot
remuneration. But her Majesty's -511,ed frenityli
Bill now before the House, had deism-L. fit tests oil
thoug_actori.eat the,
of last year, they had never interfered at all_: to_ !11l
had been iannctneseisnsteindter begecatuhsise, het
the _scci
hours of labour. In this debate there weteie she
• tlutt
ties—the one, who were unwil