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an end. He wished to know whether an administration had
been foimed which enjoyed the confidence of thb colony?
Lord STANLEY had come down to the House in the
full expectation that the Hon. Member for Bath would
bring on his motion, and he was not aware that any ar-
rangement had been made for its postponement. As the
Hon. Gentleman had postponed his motion, he thought
i 4 would be inconvenient to enter upon any discussion of
the matter to which it referred. However, he would
stale that the Administration of Canada had been
formed on the principles recommended by Lord
Sydenham, and sanctioned by the House of Assembly.
The Administratioh which was to succeed the late one
had not been completed, but he expected it would be
very shortly complete, some of the offices having been
filled up.

SUPPLY.
The House then went into Committee of Supply on
he consideration of the colonial and other miscellaneous

estimates:
On the first vote of 11,0531., for defraying the charges
of the ecclesiastical establishments of the British North
American colonies being read,
Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the people of this
country being taxed to pay for the ecclesiastical estab-
lishments of Canada. He would divide the Committee
on the vote.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the clergy of
Canada were paid out of the land fund ?
Lord STANLEY said that that had never been the
case.
Mr. HUME thought that the people of this country
ought to call upon the people of Canada to pay their
clergy, they having the profits of the whole of the waste

lands.
After some shoit discussion strangers were ordered to
withdraw ; no division, however, took place, and on our
return to the gallery we found
Mr. HUME on his legs, complaining that the recom-
mendation of the Committee had not been acted on.
The vote was then agreed to.
11,282/. was then proposed for the purpose of defray-
ing the expenses of the, Colonial Land and Emigration
Board.
Mr. V. SMITII said the experiment of this Board
had succeeded as far as it had been tried; but he thought
that it ought to be more numerous and more powerfully
constituted. He thought it was worth the consideration
of the House and the Secretary for the Colonies, whe-
ther it would not be expedient to establish a Board more
independent of the Colonial-office. At the same time
that he was friendly to emigration, be by no means
wished the Government to take in hand every com-
pany that chose to advertise a tine ship destined to a fine
colony. But he thought that there might be a
system of Government agency, which would en-
able the public to obtain authentic information.
There was another point to which he wished to call the
attention of the Noble Lord. He thought that the

Noble Lord would do well to control the -governors of
colonies, and not allow them to alter irregularly the
orders issued from the Colonial .otfiee. The Noble Lord
had sent out orders to the 'West Indies and Sierra Leone

relating to emigration from Africa to those islands.
The Governor of Sierra Leoae in council thought
proper to alter those orders, which was an irregularity
that ought not to have been allowed, as it rendered
emigrants doubtful under what regulations they would
eventually be placed. The emigration of Hill Coolies
from the East Indies to the Mauritius had completely
succeeded ; bat there Was a restriction in the Act which
prevented their emigration to the West Indies. Now he
wished to ask the Noble Lord before he sat down, whe-
ther it was his intention to alter that restriction ?
Lord STANLEY said that the question was one of
very great importance, and great caution was required in
dealing with the subject. The moment he had received
the dispatch from the Governor-General of India, to
which the Right Hon. Gentleman had alluded, the first
step he had adopted wal to communicate the dispatch to
thellouse, and the next step he had taken was to com-
municate with the Governors of the West India colonies

on the subject, asking them if they could devise means by
which emigration from the East Indies to the West Indies
might be rendered practicable, while, at the same time,
the possibility of abuse might he avoided.. He had re-
quested them to transmit propositions on the subject to
the Colonial-office, in 'order that he (Lord Stanley)
might lay the same before his colleagues. He had not
taken any other steps in the matter. He believed pro-
positions fr some. of the colonies bad been transmitted
to the Colonial-office, but be had not yet seen them. He
had nothing further to say on the subject, except to ex-
press his desire of seeing some scheme devised which it
might be in his power 'to submit to his colleagues and
the House as one which he could recommend as practi-
cable, and at the same time as doing away with the
abuses which had formerly existed.
Mr. C. BIJLLER wished to put his Right Hon.
Friend right on one subject. His Right Hon. Friend
need be under no apprehension that be (Mr. C. Buller)
would bring forward any proposition for a large grant
of public money for the purposes of emigration. The
funds arising from the sales of land would be amply
sufficient for that purpose if they were properly adtni-
ministered.- He felt obliged to his Right Hon. Friend for
having called the attention of the House to the constitu-
tion of the'Lsnd and. Emigration Commission, and he
'participated in the objections which had been made to
that constitution. So little was the existence of this
Commission known, that. a gentleman, who had come
over last year from Canada for the purpose of arranging
a system of emigration, and who had devoted great at-.
tention to the subject, after having been no less than
three times at the Colonial-office, was not aware, even
then, of the existence of this Commission. He thought
the Commissioners ought to have more extensive powers,
and that it should be a Parliamentary Commission like
the Poor-law Commission, or the Tithe Commission,
instead of being dependent upon the Colonial-office.
Lord STANLEY explained that the Land Emigration
Commission bore precisely the,relation to the Colonial-
office that the Poor-law Commission and the Tithe Com-
Commission did to the Home-office.
Mr. HUME thought that great evils would have been
produced if the proposition, with respect to emigration,
Board, of his Hon. Friend, who had just sat down, had been
cnaortroiendtoho ut.samHe groundeoleetedas his Hon. Friend did. Heto the Emigrationoard, but
thought it ought to be a part and parcel of the Colonial-
office, inasmuch as the Board, in its decision, was under
the control of the Colonial-office. He thought that means
should be taken to provide the means of .employment for
the emigrants whea they arrived at their destination.
But, however, he should object to any vote to support an
Emigration Board that was independent of the Colonial-
office.
Mr. HAWES thought the unrestricted importation of
free labour into our colonies would have the effect of
encouraging slavery.
Mr. BERNAL denied that there was any wish on the
part of the. West India planters in Jamaica to bring
down wages by any unfair or under-hand means.
Mr. P. M. STEWART said the price of labour was
very high in the West Indian colonies, and the price of
food was very low, consequently there was a monopoly
in favour of the labourer ; and, therefore, he thought
that means should be taken for sending labourers to our
colonies. He could not agree with the opinion expressed
by .the Hon. Member for Lambeth, for he could assure
the Hon. Member that the West Indian colonies were
as free as the agricultural counties in this country. He
would be glad to be informed whether the Noble
Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, intended to adopt
means to facilitate the emigration of free labourers from
the coast of Sierra Leone to our West Indian colonies,
as he understood that the inhabitants of that district
were particularly anxious to emigrate to the British co-
lonies, and he also Wished to know, whether any faci-
lities were proposed by the Government to be given to
the importation into, the West Indian colonies of Chi-
nese labourers.
Lord STANLEY said that experiments were in course
of trial for the importation of labourers from China, but
that importation took place under contract, and if that
contract should be in any way broken, the contractors
would be compelled to give compensation to the emi-
grants. He (Lord Stanley) was perfectly prepared to
sanction emigration from the coast of Africa, under cer-
tain restrictions, and also from Gambia, which was also
a settlement untler the British Crown, but he was not'
prepared to sanction emigration which was not within
her Majesty's dominions, or from any place over which
the Government of England had no control.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Mr. Barnard, and
Lord Stanley, the vote was agreed to.
A vote of 49,7001. was next proposed, to defray the
charges, salaries, allbwances' and contingencies of the
stipendiary justices of the West India colonies, the
Mauritius, and the Cape of Good Hope.
-Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the vote. Why should
these magistrates be paid ? The only reason he saw for
their appointment was to maintain and increase patron-
age. There was nothing in the condition of the black
population to justify them; and the miserable people of
this country should not be fleeced to sustain such
patronage. Ile had received letters from residents in
the. West Indies, complaining of these appointments.
Lord STANLEY said the Hon. Member had a very
odd notion of the patronage exercised at the Colonial-
office. Since he entered into that office, he had not made
a single appointment in the magistracy, except one, and
that individual had been temporarily suspended some
time before. The Government were now acting on 'the
strictest principles of economy, regarding the appoint-
ments in the West India colonies, and were gradually
reducing the number of the stipendiary magistrates
there. He believed the llon. Member -was inconsistent
in saying that the magistracy was not useful, or
desired by the population of the West India islands,
as quite a contrary feeling prevailed there. They had
been represented as exceedingly beneficial in the
of the colonists.
ad-
ministration of justice by several of the most respect-
able Mr. WARBURTON said that after the assurance of
the Government, he hoped the Hon. Member would not
divide the House.
Mr. P. M. STEWAT expressed a similar wish.
Colonel SII3THORP hoped the Hoes. Member would
how to the countr o
h
divide the House, not that he woedd support him,
but because he wished to s
strength of the Opposition—he mea at the numbers of
those gentlemen who attended when the public money
was about to be disposed of. There were now only eleven
Liberal Members in the House, and a these eleven two
were asleep.—(Roars of laughter.) The late Chancellor
of the Exchequer, he perceived, was zow just emerging
from a delightful slumber.—(Great laughter.) Yet
these were the gentlemen who talkei I so loudly of the
mis-appropriation of the public money Mr. HUME said that if the Minot ensl benches were
el
su oltdfoarntdh aatgcrierec4u m
to-
whipper-in might be thanked for it, who seemed to hare
they were to get money; s for the Minister
fuller than the Opposition .he belies red the Ministerial
done iris duty very well to-night. s,
°wllit.thou't a division.
if it were
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staTnictee tvhoetroewmasiguhlttibmettatenloythaegrr
eceoduntot;,
A vote of 12,0001. was then prop os,
for the religious and educational Institut,
population of the West India islaneis.
A vote of 35,0001. was next pro sad Nr the libera-
tion of slaves in the West Indies- •