The Sun.
London, England, 1850-08-02 00:00:00

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battitiatich they
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etewa
e.o .n
mica
el, it VVP''
would advert. In a printed paper t Mr. V. SMITH approved of the stationery being sup,tt
ere f etatntetvie e . - ea complained that the plied from one .
eat ,e, . .re re had reewed the dir,-(tor% an in. the vote had been decreated cei,; 3, • 1.,
1
qeeridy w !••' Av the fact eas that Mr. N,,,h had re- might lie effected in ptieciee, -e. . - t.-,
le tie, triwitary paper,.
_eel that a stiviete
tertinef rut" to the Coironissienera soliciting• en' in- Many' tbing.s were printed vihieli outint.L.,,t ,o,be!iriinoteerds.
Pipers _ and at the same time' forva done I• m'neeus There should he an officer to diseraninehe wee
I.p.ea a
dine:: to the e
tt, „eel:. The Comaliiiioners had tinsv., r:‘,(,) t ero.
isloutes beteeen the rhie'''.evel la s 'and were valuable, and what not. There v.;,
inn, i
thetioe" into theae d t
it but e .
invariably. r ".._ ' ant CLE tV fie eels;, the iie...r.,n,.0
,!•,r. I:,.ia
~,, , ,
eutt d 1 0001 a yea r we- prieteig for the Intilehe -n
~.n.,et..nr.„
the
, u es, as beyond their pun, ~•••• C. , .
~,,Lee eietwe eneleithed• rae
otild f they informed " ease '• t '-1 t *inners of k.,0rnrn,•,0..5
te . oneere ion r . - tip, tee., it n t , . -
Iletions and ' 'entente oily abuse to which thtir item for tht bailee.) e, ' • • flice was teny an estimate, teed
Peet hen Pewers applied, they wot le i tuede tel 7 might be lets.
1 teatica,. an interview en: , ' '-
' tn.
t ' '-• 3 ? 'ter a few words from Mr—
BROW-e-eE concerning
1 the -lon, and • e LeVOr made suety a col ee
re te as one of that Contaaissi ,n he stood aericultu
stthi Justify its ral steoslica, .
refusal to b . •' - e' - '"lr. REYNOLDS said he would under take for the
itsseessr PanYtwele r h e dra2.ged into the caspates
n printers of Dublin, that they would do the priming for
eeot. 8 Must Cared' . ear.) Under these cement.
1 . fir,ve to the upon the House to give a mewled the public departments 20 per cent. cheaper than it
SCUL motion,
was &me in London.
now ,
eineez,t
with
said the abuseswhich hadoccurred in Mr. C. LEWIS observed, in explanation
t, , of the erne-
the eele,ll. Wtth this „ra e . .
of the
diette,esegation asked furbyPuilY imperatively demandedi [agues of the National Gallery, that the
.pre es
thinird entirely from . the lion. le,eropet. Ile sale were deducted from the expense of printing them.
Mr. COBDEN pressed on the House the necesene of
aat tug that the d. the Right Hon. teeeteman in . •
subjec . isputes of a private company were not having theirreports .
in octavo form instead of quarto.
Nelate
ce. , t for discussion in that House. In in t other Mr. FRENCH wished to know why an anstwebw whai:
ia;teetutu..l%tvhe shareholders who had been wplulndered not given by the Treasuryerd to the
o questionDeblinp,uwidi
re.
iroleti,o`f)knenireedress or justice done to them but the Right Hon. Friendt the Lord
done fory 20 per cent. less than
t Feet' them hi hints? !f. they went to Chancery it would gard to theafdrin g
Iteleeillee of restorine:minable litigation. and expense. A. s e,„e_ ,ma _ „ , confidence in railway enterprise in
_.,
waTshrieeCSVAIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not
ett'' d oe the
go Preventmg such frands in future, he &epos .ed to ay anv attention to voluntary offers of thee
tlet, 5 'auuse to agree to the motion of the Hon. description; ut i a co Pbcontract were made it would be
kr te
tea ..14. (Pen ' very different.
skein wit FELL said there two ails before After a few words from Mr. HENL
teclee " "'la respect to
this were i
printed in an
tee ee the fti case. He thought that
BURN, in favour of the House reportsbeing p
tien'irteha diect:hie from interfering with it. Besides oct:ivroshape,
DISRAELI expressed his opinion in favour of the
eeteelesetrahneg meleuhade aegreed to the issue of
all
ilitfilutalete change, and observed that no species. ofd information
tket,,, rement of :x-itr In any further outlay until
100: the Court of eeession. Whatever delay
ore
might could be more valuable than that contained in
one blue books presented to the House.
tsittrls
al than a length Chan.cery? it could not be b
e mbook Colonel DUNNE complained, that although there
to theY result
ened inquiry, and mere ue
dee Juotion of lle hoped the House would not agreebut
were 36,000 soldiers in Ireland, the stationery was
kel the east the Hon. Baronet, but pass to the or- 7001., while for the constabulary, amounting to . but
te tr. eitettt.
12,000 men, it was 1,000/. That was a disproportion
to hag ie We' X said that there were several abuses pre- which required some explanation..
ulaor •he 'X
sufficient The vote was then agreed to.
Ithe edit its Y system of the country;
ktis:e he ehnuigdeneral commercial honour. To some . , •
10 000/ for defraying, for 1850, the expense of build-
el%Peetereeere Pare ,one day call the attention
.of
the mg. ~the Edinburgh National Gallery.
etc
eerie et the dousetoy'teularl and for the present occasion he Mr. BRIGHT. protested
why should not Manches-
nen give the subjectattentive consie burgh had a national gallery,. .
thhe fil
ter and Birmingham have national galleries also?
"titi -41) MAYO
Mr. HUME defended the vote, inasmuch as it was for
th,„ toia of the e,trpß of DUBLIN defended the re-
the promotion• cf science and the fine arts, which had
lean lireacal tee ere
s4wlheiiefh Cisclieusratrh adn d
()hits
ncnod-edsierrevcetdolrys
made considerable progress of late years in Scotland.
t:tintetl, ofPeda „, °Pon them. They had
smen, he con- Mr. DISRAELI said that the wordsAl ieG
George e estimateß ob n a
eiCaible th'tetatell in society which rendered it quite reminded him of an advertisement of h r..
„tilltee charged"" tneY should have been guilty of the mal- —(A laugh)—and, for that reason,
of
teh certainly enter-
w._. „__
i'
vote Y
in ~"Pon them. He considered that Mr, tamed some suspicion of the.uttil y
etreitee,4,s r!aty the Mr. V. SMII. LI thought wasit
afah• the
.to have a
14.,‘,0 Dy bring in Party blame, and his Hon.
to
kite(' ely prejudice the matter forward in Parliament,Edinburgh,i but
public
museum in he should • like to have
some inforMation on the subject, particularly as regarded
400'0°114 to the cause of the defendants in the.
AfteUtt of c h..`. is subject,
which was now pending in the contracts for the building.
tem !terse „elicere Mr. BRIGHT said that a sum of 4,0001. was put down
'lvlthej 'weber discussion, the motion was nags- as a .
site for the building, whereas he was informed on a
1„ Th i a division. late occasion that the corporation of Edinburgh were to
eie 2.-eoute , SUPPLY.. . give
the site for 1,000/. There were large sums of. money
evegtleoeies leap want into Committee on the remain- tto Edinburgh in the shape of legacies, and it would
4rst" °Ra belef much more independent to apply them in that way
Fe, tee he heel ELLort of the EXCHEQUER said the than asks for grantso of the public money.
the fiprase!, .to ask for was as to Buckingham Palace. Sir J. GIBS ON CRAIG observed that those charities
deal See vote, It etas proposed to postpone that part of were strictly tied up and could not be applied to any
ste, le fteuteh contemplated the making of two gar- other purposes thanthe intentions of the donors.
the >to rentot the
to and tee House resumed.
palace. It was indispensible, how- The vote was then agreed_____,__
GE,
Sec , ANNUITY
1, oteetto " the hoarding, and to erect a fence for THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE,
Oik PPreh 4of the palace. To that part of the vote
itttlf into Committee on
et ety belong there would be no objection. The only The House having resolved
fill
up the blank with 12,000/.
tie 1:11aeo, ~ gto the execution of these works at this Bill, it was proposed to
t arch egerded
givennotice of his intention
4(ith ' 'the do what was to be done with the mar- Mr. HUME said
blank had
be filled up with 8,0001.,
Net, ey tetr_pense of removing it wculd be great, to propose that the _ should et floe artee übtful whether a nearer site for its re- that being the amount given on a former occasion to the
tall u
tithe tetirettleval, could be found Instead of ask- Duke of Gloucester, who was a nearer relation to the
114 te et!' amount of this vote, 14,672!., he proposed Sovereign than the present Duke of Cambridge; but be-
/ uldhe more likely to
fettetres teener 1 1,000/, which ismounteto little more lieving that a vote of 10,0b0v0ea.lwd
()Propose that the blank
4/,:tud 4:3'siry to remove the hoarding, making a receive general support, he
__ e
tette Illeefilt°ve the marble arch. be filled up with that sum.—(Hear.)
den,' the arch' suggested whether it would not be better Mr. ROEBUC etrusted ,
le the Hon. Member would not
ti:edepontbaltogether, especially as they were not move so large a grant. Let the House just consider
Nellie whin, ' new site for it, rather than incur the what the Royal Duke had. should he have 10,000/.
Lot .' would necessarily be incidental to such a —had a Royal Family it was
for what purpose? If we
.. 'ott d would
for certain portions
bleb 85,00 - IOUR • e necessary there should be provision
iin
ert.
lee h 04 to ~.. saiu he had ascertained that
it
would of that family. But it was a matter ,of great .
P
41tieead beeneerchate the property at Charing-cross, fines to know whet! the
individuals of that family should
eh ran on. suggested for its reception, cease to have a claim.—(Rear.)
incli-
tag e aeet "HuPort
il see )ed ~,„. portent discussion vote was agree to..
oleo 1 the "0 was fora sum not exceeding 151,500/., vidual was removed
.
from the situation of heir to the
II tit 3 tf 4eases in theyear 1850, of constructing Crown the less right had he to an allowance from the
kJ, Noirteeete.
to the Throne
public. He admitted that a person so near
°1 them 4E,LLY said that the charges contained in as the D uke of Cambridge shouldprovided for, but
bef
the habits of
kr- "un - luese works were enormous, and many such provision ought to be
.judged o
tote. Illeeteeuetsaret
by
0/was a very
the people among whom he lived. 10,00
..
IN' 'ley ..4 said he shouldthe- Committee not large sum. The Duke of Cambridge when alive had only
404 tr inDaftien
of
this advise
money, but to send the sub- 24,0001. ,
Net leeveettigatioa t • of the Mr. HUlteE.-27,000/.
ttet •t" at had Pur i •• "
o a Select Committee
con- Mr. ROEBUCK—.WeII, 27,0001. His two daughters
it,aeert olereee , Pose y visited the harbours
"ell !lIIIIy i J neuernsey, and Alderney, and they .
were to have 3,000 L each, and his son 12,0001., and. his
Which , u Point of tier Imaking th 24 000/. Now, le. the
widow 6,000 ~ toge er
Vet eoln nail been
paid
fori
them.itynot worth the enormous
House remember that
.her Majesty had fruitfulbeeitetsoe.eseven
etett 4 4,:.(l.lrther discussion,thevote was agreed to as to produce seven children. Every ou c
mhbridge.—
eeee e 14 131),.
:1184 Oft
vot had the same claim as the late Duke of a
4"lonve• the p ? Was 43 000/ far defraying the ex- (Hear, hear.) . Every.might
one marry, and there might
.144. sr'''Y Council, which was passed without be a multiplication of families of
d? this detcription.—
e th; silt,
of
(Hear, hear.) Were was this to end?—(Hear, H r hear.)
eir .etteee 3,640/. has ( " ' into a
lee 11. ea se of te_ 9 asked fordefraying a portion lt might seem an ungracious proceeding to enter 1
keeetstitAraf EcclesiasticalZet Commission. discussion of this sort. If the money could be obtained
4,°Seee." retereel'eted to this vote, and complained without, ,
applying to the labouring population he should.
'ea lea w• which he had long since moved for be happy to .
of t4O ith the contribute his quota; but it would have to
Geer a fee preteated Proceedings of the Commission, e wrune from tne hard earnings of the industrious and
laborious millions. It was the duty of the House to con-
heir` Word3 fr"l Lord RUSSELL and Sir G eider whence the money would have. to be derived, and
C J. .4taltten a. ' G.
the purpose to which it was to be maintenances of
hear.)
.or th euneed
What was the purpose? The maintenance hose
A • 'vote , When there appeared—
et gains ... ... ... ••• 70 Royal persons in that sort of decent splendour
that which
-
e Tl," )oto4labribg "' '" ... 32., was compatible with their situation. For
~p
rur
ikt -e ►
to ki- was the, for the vote ... ... --,8 pose such a sum was more than was necessary.
—(Hear, hear.) The Duke cf Cambridge,.
Itsepett of 7.,46negteed to.he supposed
kliet'eleee "f th w was the next vote, for defraying would marry. The Duke of Cambridge would have a
,kBe to e eeailwa c • e family. Was that family to be provided for? H.l
i, ()lit, Obsery . y ommtssion.
6.441 -'l,l+: 0 .atu3ns by MY. HUME ark' Colonel mig .'ht be told that sufficient for the day eas the eve
thereof. But the evil
'''"ltlid-httitiellEßP. : by cutting down the money to the lowest point; and he
The be f,-, the
___-; promised that during the recessar
d should therefore move that the blank be filled up with
A hVoteltlY eeestte:r taution of the Railway Bo
tu ed• . ''sf .° Net w4s thee • " s,oool."—(Hear, hear.) .
5 000/. should be in-
to the anti r agreed to. The question was then put that ,
titeer.tietexpeteeeqUired to be voted was 37,606/, to serAtred.'
tettliat'elleteenus of the Board of Works in Ireland. ROWN ''cl ot consider 12,000/. necessary
r. W. B ai
k'4o ten e lar ee
to support the dignity oft he Duke of Cambri *dge. Her
best existe,, g on the Government the neces- .
ea P. Ilt, Ond 4 for accelerating the new valuation Majesty s •,
- e ettlti er eet
';
' Ministere whose duties were verylaborious,
44.04 otte oard. h d tit was proposed to
he
- did not receive near so muc ,an ye . .
l'lnkataslieetetebli
ee eXpressed his belief that there was give the Royal Duke .le 000/. when he did nothing.
'4O el thee the Board
which required more active Mr. ROEBUCK sat t a d-, h t her Majesty's Ministers re-
ate tels .y hit -.e 80ard of Works. He should like coived 5,000/. The judges of the land • received 5,0001.
to 400 ' °Ol. * Griffith
the public
than
ott per else s, the chief Commissioner, re- Every moment of their time was devoted to .
'gni matt' who essisutne'r There were three other Com- business.sedt He did not wish any indignity to be maw-
tetkr, die thieees e_noeec_h other to do nothing. One f ewards his Royal Highness. He wished him to
bee tprovided for as an honest English gentleman, and
;qv Ito r, In a tooene Uhl do more work in ono day
nil ',414"141i . • u'n• he thourrhc 5,000/. quite sufficient for the purpose.
tki. 144 ti of
ti said he did not consider the salary of Let the House recollect that he possessed a sum of
Idli 4 he huee Board of Works at all extravagant, money; that he had an estate, and
I t!l,l4;4.kiliil,t_9 Perform were most laborious. a general cm%
telt 4Nilleet ueUdeNr contended that there was notGeLffiIONBY said in theory he did not see why
aworked 5,0001.21 r. was not sufficient, but he thought ne good likely
Forgo thrtoe4 works
it Dublin,
so hard
to result from dividing on that tum, whan propositions
Nate oad thBVILLE could • not allow the statement for 8,0001. and 10,000?. cad been already negatived.hd ire ohttite et 4atpile Board of eV( 1 I shadnothing todo, They who cared more for royalty than fo.rt.esconrayiesaof
cOttri IttiS do:,accinainted with the subject must be beaten these prepositions by large :alines' len
wasC se
re.
e tiet
ate eOf 40 wee
eatel le el sue e many and important. .. No, no.") Was it not so? —(No, IT et Nit • '4II:IEE bad doubt but that the corded.—
' et ed th 'lnlr 1 noMember for Sheffield
(Hear.) If the Hon. . ,
Alter at a r,.._ e‘and had enough to do, but be divided. on the proposition for 5,0001. he should certainly
I'll'''rfie Y [Opalereat portion of their duties could be vote with him, but he wouldrather take the sense cf the
oth 014 too f 4 boards much est net rther
toetenetetvvote ve.._conversation the vote was agree, to. 1 Lord J. RUSSELL said it was difficult to settle by
5,000/. or 12,0004 was a proper suet.
ketf
sleon stea eoreTtsatoarn,3ls,ooo/. to defray the charges whetheraurgnutmleemnetnmust.
judge f e• themselves what they thought
see th,te a.l3y!siolf„
_..e other. secret servicen
tereoreiale, all ?,°,l e to the extent of .
this a ePrince of the Royal Family required for the honour-
t a went cola W 5,411 d tnere was no means of knowing able . maintenance of his dignity and to meet those de-
Cot Wet, that Pent' the Royal Family more than on
What threw a suspicion on mends which came on.
,111" t tie to e the last year the vote was 38,0001., those who possessed four or five times the
amount it was
41014.'4,000t reason that art
year itwas nowproposed to grant.—(Hear.) He did not think it
t et ,te rt .? Tee , e present.
..
tiltith:a, „ ..peet or -7 uad a strong suspicion all was was fair to say that there was a distinction • between
tote a;"_, to
„alei out eine vote. Perhaps the white bait those who were for royalty and those who were for eco-
„lette in ettote h°°' It. At all events the H use had nomy—(Hear, hear)—becatiseboth
sides might desire
'as Re eee w ete the 9 ountil what was best for the country should be done, seme
tt tee per
e. itejet„,. money was spent, and that..
teeete be eureceetuttued In sa" ,
Jing tnat it was applied considering the sma er s .11 um deficient and ethers beltel-
-4' t• hl t 'the country to see
rt. redo
He would, therefore, move that ing that it would not be crediteb e o
Family
il wllet by 1-5,000/., which would make it the pecuniary means of a Priace of theßoyal
ettel !Ott 7t ha,
much reduced.—(Hear.) It should be considered,.
gfi aa ule-Pected th 'very
din to the arrangement of the civil list, that it was
leitteedtidie
ao,by this tic et the incu, mbrances onip ac
intendedeer for the support of the Sovereign, and So-
metheeti.ef!titte, the: thbak
shl
,a have great[ (alien od,
vereign only. In former timea, when there was af iihe
ee, elt ee, re, vette
iii rghe a
insteada require
eteteet etii.„l,o,ooo4g_poutt
_t at of 15,000 . se, -
1. aid annual sum derived from the prop.erty o
.Iteet'ollt to atieitee; should be the sum struck off..dCrown, the sons
the Crown had the means of supporting
Pot divielleeerdance le,g
„reereed to
.shape his and ahters. of the reigning Soverege or any cone•
ni,,tehe kilted, when e vet h tine suggestion, the teral , relations out of the income belonging to the
A trtat it "udintetu ttiare appeared— Crown. These revenues, however,
had been devoted
4 teNe ka• ..„ to the public service,.
and therefore some grant wts ne-
wt std f eie
...lorite ••• ... ... 83 cossary, . 1 f mere fitting
• and he considered 12,000 . a sr
Vett b01i0u,77/. w
sum than s,oool.—(flear.)
114 rtb., ry 0.-. as then ...
'es id w()L, me, Proposed for the service Mr. V. . _ SMITH considered the precedent. in the Duke
setletr. trede t'S drew attentionof Gloucester's csse oug ttoe o h b f llowed, and that
000 ea leen feesmett hi eh. to the circumstanc.e, 8,000/. was a reaeoneblesum.—Hear.) II 5,000/. only
hi ttivttef pustio': this worek'''and. did not participate in should be granted, the Duke would be in a worse posi-
Ire:queer thee to the, ' Whleh, bein derived of, salon than Ipreviously
before, for the sum of 6,000 . was pre
tee te - arti .1 - - and tthe public of this paid fen his maintenance. lie would support the propo-
, vine tie he ees lute
we , 0
stte.,hie, re. R„
_were could be done cheaper actionfor
proposed
8 000/ or 10,000/, but could not vote for the
tttl reteintwitsetteeed eueltilsE;tected to the system of cen- sum
rp be., the Hon. Member for Sheffield.
14 tl:•4ory % great Said the•
• • - •
M ISRAELI having supported the original mo-
the Government,
l'ii elate vtea cleat et tleen's printer in Dublin Wan of felt hound, in justice to him-
[lt'untr tuPpliee work for the service, and the self and the Hon. Gentlemen who voted with him, to
tttp. 4
the
(if,
am
the there on
; the same principles' as deny the observation that, in au doing, they were influ-
to "hl*Nteti"la's st slatn""rY in Ireland was sup- enced with feelings for royalty and not for economy.—
lele le at ewes ettoner i D •
41 ti, at OLDS ow said the n Dublin, (Hear, hear.) He regretted that any Prince of the
thatP• ittv 3' a depot for Queen's stationer's-office blood
should be placed in the position of the Duke of
to r th, h Alt . . etationery supplied from Cambridge, . _
and that it should be necessary to make an
teeer te"tultin -aid hew application to the HOMO on this subjece—(llear.)
tile ° site g shouldas the author et ud, eee be or of the regulation And he .
must beg the House to remember that princes thettrftet elle b "Quote, et, done in England lie did of the blood were p e laced in this position by Act of Par-
yell ee of Nal • i, for it was done . ) H didnot •
,le tlu of seve wh Scotland cheaper in [lament.—(
,e_ear, hear. e want to enter into
ee net the ,nor ei , and, and there a sin any controv .
env as to what would have been the rental
e itaicliteeaornittet, get thousand a of the estate of the Crown, if the Crown had been left.
jigs er nteeiewcl b •ee which year. Hews
in .
s tttlY eLLLY the Gov made the suggestion, the enjoyment of that estate; but he believed that, if
ate 'eh - surp . Oh or ernment. it had been proper ym 1 anaged, it would have been su
titt r eeeett it
Wilted et
th the EXCHEQUER
splendour and dignity of
t-eseIIEQUER said he cient to suport the necessary
IN ee es foe e 11°11- Gentleman's without any applicationfor .
the aid of' Perlis-
t,4„.
~tht t had
fleeted, nd that bringing observe. the Croweeear
hear.) But the question did not come
ehdetet.qtte neitese whe the stationery went.--(11
,a great
' because Parliament interfered and con-
edit 'el the' saieet seototi te saving, and when into controversy,
'2,, star at oe did -03, make a change? sidered :hay bad
k'4,4 loh each i net ..achieved a result favourable to their
itt,i, try it oepan object to one office, but liberty in depriving the Sovereign
very
of the real possession
leo r etie, ttee receteee °lout should b debited with eh influenced
4054 "Win earry their that the • e of her estate. fessed he was mu
11.
e cbmithe opinion of the-Governmeet, who.
tf-tile 14 by
eon Gteno.teie e„__ ,y might ascertain the upon this occasion.
114 114 e les,ooiieta thootetteohey further. had given the subject
Ha
y that due consideration which its
044,%portPrIntii," tir,i the that economy could be importance deserve-.
'1 u.,t remind the House that
eoh re tierte one tg• zh, _ accounts, and that there when they catered on this criticism m of the excenditure of
. te,.etereeseet teetereporte re nner of keeping a record a Prince, they must not forget the pos, 'am in which they
considerations to
14 teeetweedu tete l'esveee:' the United States would had placed him, irrespective of the
,co
Royal
_amily
~tku il„ng ease
re '
"1)11-:'t te tse ret `'••••efl, In the mode of making which ho bad referred with respect to tnet. .r.
land, and
lt 'lti f 111 f uea ~ eo delay which took , generally. If they took the
.peerattee
..)
ee Zr el leer role te ew, , Y
el Nil Entte, te a tee poly •f the time taken in would find that they had been created
I in the course
tette wee f Q.4,,tereat e f les; bat the sam delay ofcenturies by marrying heiresees—hear)—and
" kit °I. CO4.111w• leent be re cl. d o
ut
tee. retie haled me le . this to an extent of which few were aware who had
rwei iotortnat. the returns should not examined the eject.su A poor peer. ie onebgeneeent,
illattoof as it was in the lion would probably otbe a poor peer in a sueeq .
generation, in consequence of the influence of his rank

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