The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-08 00:00:00

111. ARMY.

1. General Kiss, shot at Arad.
2. General Dessoffy, shot at Arad.
3. General Schweidel, shot at Arad. 4.c2d '
4. General TOr6k, shot at Arad.
5. General Lazar, hanged at Arad.
6. General Knezich, hanged at Aral
7. General Count Leiningen, hanged at Arad. g
8. General Count Vecsey, hanged at Arad.
9. General Nagy Saudor, hanged at Arad.. C.) '0
10. General Aulich, hanged at Arad.
11. General Lauer, hanged at Arad.
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12. General Poltenberg, hanged at Aral.
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13. General Damianich, hanged at Arad.
14. Colonel Kazinczy, shot at Arad.
15. Colonel Prince Woroniecky, hanged at Pesth.
16. Colonel Orrnav hanged at Pesth.,
17. Colonel Soll, shot at Pesth.
48. Colonel Baron Mednyansky, hanged at Presburg.
19. Colonel Gruber, hanged at Presburg.
20. Major Abancourt, hanged at Presburg.
21. Major Giron, hanged at Presburg.
22. Major Fekete, hanged at Pesth.
23. Major Murmann, shot at Temesvar.
24. Major Lepier, shot at Panceova.
25. General Moga
26. General Count Lazar, Imprisoned from five to eight
27. General Gaspar, years.
28. Lieutenant Field-Marshal Hrabowszky, under trial.
" Seine fifty colonels sentenced to eighteen years' imprison-
ment in heavy irons; some thirty lieutenant-colonels and
majors to sixteen years in heavy irons. All the officers of
the Hungarian army who had not served before in the
Austrian army were sent to the army as private soldiers, whs
can be flogged by the simple order of their officer. This is
the case with Count Stephan Esterhazy ; Baron Frederic
Podmaniczzky ; Count Gustav Batthyanyi, the son of the
Count, well known in England; of Baron Liptay, of Mr.
Paul Csuzy, and a hundred others.
" Many more than the above mentioned were shot, but the
sentence has not been always (officially) published. The sen-
tences of the above were published officially. In the pre-
sence of the Emperor Francis Joseph, at Raab, two men were
shot, a student and a Jew, for sympathising with the Hun-
garians. His Majesty did nothing to stop these cruelties."
In a Idition to these individuals two women of rank, the
daughter of the Bishop llaubner, of Raab, and Mrs. Ma-
derspach, at Ruskberg, were sentenced to be flogged.
And not only was sentence passed, but it was actually
carried into execution.—(Hear, hear.) And in the face
of all this were they to hear it said that the Noble Lord
was to blame when he asked for some security that prc-
tection would be given to the unfortunate refugees that
their lives should not bs practised upon, if not by the
Austrian Government, and at their instigation, at least
by Austrian subjects, who perhaps knew what would be
most agreeable to their Government?—(Hear, hear.) His
Noble Friend merely stated a fact, namely, that the
Turkish Government had given notice to Kos-
suth that persons armed with Austrian pass-
ports, and whom the Turkish Government was
therefore impotent to remove, came to Turkey
for the purpose of practising on Kossuth's life.
That view was corroborated by subsequent facts, and the
Noble Lord was perfectly justified in stating the matt r
to the House, and in asking the Noble Lord the Secre-
tary for Foreign Affairs for an assurance that this country
would at all events take all the precautions in its power
to prot ct these unfortunate refugees against being de-
livered up to the mercy of persons who, if not actually
employed by the Government and Ministry of Austria
or Russia, well know how they could best conciliate
those Governmentr.—([tear, hear.) lleiug in possession
of the greatest of all blessings, constitutional freedom
IL elf, this country felt, and the Noble Lord (Palmerston)
felt for there who were struggling for constitutional
liberty. But whilst this country was prepared t gise
a moral support to those vvho were engaged in such a
noble and holy strugglr, he admitt d they were not in a
condition to go to war or to interfere by force of arms in
their behalf. It would, however, offer them the shield
and protection of public opinion in England whilst en-
gaged in a contest for those liberties which, happily for
them, their f ,refathers had gained, and which he trusted
their descendants would ever maintain.—(Cheers.)

Mr. DISRAELI said, that although the House must
doubtless be desirous that this unnecessary debate should
be brought to a close, the tone taken by the Ilon. and
Learned Member who Lad just spoken made it necessary
for him (Mr. Disraeli) to say a word in vindication of
what he conceived to be the proper course taken by his
Noble Friend (Lord C. Hamilton) near him.—(Hear,
hear.) Before proceeding further, however, ho must
congratulate the lion. end Learned Member and his
friends on the sympathy they felt with precedents of the
House of Lord-, with the Church in genera', and with
bishops in particular.—(Hear, hear.) Such indications
of right feeling could not fail to be very satisfactory to
the Conservative party.—(A laugh.) Tho lion. and
Learned Member had r, al to the House a list of some of

the victims t,f the unhappy and unfortunate civil war
which had t _then place in Hungary. All must deeply de-
plore such events, but it was impossible for them, sitting
in that House, to form any political opinion on the cir-
cumstances. There was nothing in the facts stated to
show whether the victims were victims tJ their own in-

judicious and evil coursep, or heroes and martyrs.
Open the " History of England," and you would find a

list of confi..caticns and executions which had taken
place ever since the present Royal Family, to which we
were so much indeht3d for liberty and progress, acce led
to the throne.--(llcar, hear.) Would it be fair to refer
to the execution of the unfortunate Earl of Derwent-
water, and the confiscation of his estates, and also the
executionof the accomplished Balmerino, and say, " Look
at the horrors committed by this dynasty, which could
only substantiate its position by such atrocities?"—
(Hear, hear.) The list of executions read by the lion.
and Learned Member, even if it were authentic, was no-
thing more therefore than might be found in our own
history, at no very distant ca e. But it a as unnecessary
to go back to 1740. The echoes of the speech of the
Hon. Member for Inverness-shire in the debate of yester-
day were yet ringing in the IRuse.—(licar.) In Ceylon
the executions ordered by courts-martial had, it
aY-
peered, been carried into effect with such a want of dis-
crimination, that the judges themselves acknowledged
that in many instances the victims were not criminals.
Might it not be said " What can you think of a Govern-
ment which sanctions such proceedings, and what of
the state of society which tolerates such a Govern-
ment?" In his opinion his Noble Friend was perfectly
justified in expressing his indignation at the speech
of the Noble Member fir Marj lebone.—(Rear, hear.)
If the Noble Lord felt a conviction that the charge he
had made against the Austrian Government was founded
on fact, he ought to have given it a much more pro-
mireat place in the discussion.—(llear.) As it Wag,
the Noble Lord introduced into the epilogue of the enter-
tainment of the evening an insinuation that an old ally
of her Majesty meditate I murder and assassination.
Now, that was a; unwarrantable a proceeding as everi
took place in that House.—(hear, hear.) If the Noble
Lord telieved that the Austrian Government meditated
the the assassination of unarmed individuals, who were
wee; the
a certain extent placed under the
British Government, he ought to
belief in his opening speech. Fur 5 have declared protection
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of the integrity of tae Turkish empire. He had always
maintained that the integrity of that empire was
essential to the peace and permanent prosperity of the
civilized world; but whilst advocating that view it had
teen his fortune to find himself in a minotity. It was now
25 sears since the Liberal party, in total ignorance of
what he would not call that fallen, but that feeble, power
—in total ignorance of its political and social condition
—in total ignorance of its resources, ef its laws, and
of its constitution—in total ignorance of the genius of its
people and of the necessity of its existence t) the stabi-
. I lity of sea es, commeaced a course of hostility towards

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r it; and it was only lately they had discovered that they'"
were in error in exciting the passions of Europe against' • -, •
a generous people.—(hear.) It was the- Liberal part
which had lashed up the sympathies ( f -Christendom 'till-10i
)
their policy ended in the eatastropbe-a4"-Na-varin . l
(Hear, hear.) And haling done rslirttishigthoVe?/
had taken the opportunity of' making a n'araii9n o' ' i '-city
there could bo no division—to do what?' s. ~• • -
the sympathy of England with a great country 7., hat
which the ignorance and prejudice cf England, occasioned
and stimulated by themselves, had caused. The state of
Turkey—he would not 'say the fallen state of Turkey,
because he t elieved the resources of Turkey were very
considerable, and under the Government which it had
latterly experienced were better developed than they had
ever been—hut he should say the critcal state of Turkey
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was caused by the intrigues of the Liberal partyof Eng-
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lighten the House on the manoeuvres of Russia, repre-
sented the very party which fur years had played into
the hands of that power, however unconsciously, if it
was unconsciously, and which had crested in this coun-
try a most inveterate prejudice against the conduct and
character of the Turkish Government. It was a matter
of satisfaction that the present result had been attained—
that the eyes of the Noble Lord and his friends had been
opened to the errors of the course they had so long pur-
sued. These barren motions, brought forward generally
in a scanty House, might really servo as recantations by
the Liberal party of their diplomatic ignorance; and he
congratulated the Noble Lard the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs, who on this subject had had a very hard time of
it, on the debate of to-night—in particular when a
Member of that House, who on entering it had sig..
naliz:d himself by the impeachment of the Noble Lord,
was now found prepared to do justice to that Noble
Lord for the admirable readiness with which he had
come forward to vindicate the interests of the Turkish
empire. He (Mr. Disraeli) had net considered the
Noble Lord a traitor, or given him credit for those con-
summate abilities which some who had before denounced
him were ready to attribute to the Noble Lord. But
the Noble Lord, he had always thought, might, gene-
rally speaking, have managed affairs pretty well, had it
not beea for the Liberal party in this House who first
hallocel the country on against Turkey, and when they
had done almost incalculable mischief turned round
and declared that the existence of Turkey was essential
to the best interests of Europe. As regarded foreign
affairs, he recognised in that party the peculiar charac-
teristic which the Noble Lord the First Minister had
described as the characteristic of their policy in domestic
affairs when he spoke of it as the policy of very con-
tracted minds. They had imperfect knowledge. Un-
fortunately they possessed some power, which they used
for dangerous purposes; and for the last six or seven
years they had taken every opportunity of coming for-
ward to uphold the interests and vindicate the cause of
a power, namely, Turkey, the critical state of which was
entirely attributable to the excited passions of Europe,
which they bad raised against the interests of that
country, and to their total ignorance how important the
existence and maintenance of the Ottoman empire was
to Europe.
Sir D. L. EVANS was confident that the emancipa-
tion of the Greek people was an event which neither the
majority of that House, nor the majority of the nation,
would look back to with regret.—(Hear, hear.) His
Noble Friend had been accused of historical ignorance;
but when the assertion of his Noble Friend, that Hun-
eery had an ancient constitution, was contradicted, he
ventured to say without making any preten-
sions to historical knowledge. that the assertion im-
plied no ignorance whatsoever. The constitution of
Hungary was an old one. [Lord C. HAMILTON—" I never
said the coutrary.'] That Has one of the points on
which ignorance was imputed. The Noble Lord alluded
also to the misfortunes of the Hungarians in the wars
with Turkey. But he forgot that the Hungarians con-
ferred benefits on Austria similar to those which he
said Austria had conferred en Hungary. He forgot to
tell the House that John Subieski was the man who se-
lieved Vienna, and saved Austria. Was it, or was it
not, that Hungary had possessed one of the most ancieet
constitutions in, Europe? [Lord C. I V
—AMILTON—" Cer-
tainly."] With re!creece to the execution of Hun-
garians by the Austrian Government, the. Hon. Member
for Buckinghamshire spoke of the uncertainty of infor-
mation on such matter?, and thence concluded that they
ought not to indulge iu strictures on the Austrian Go-
vernment. He alluded to what Lad occurred in Ceylon
and the lonian Is'ands ; but, if severities had been in-
flieted in these two dependencies of this country, was
there any reason to Lelicve that they would be
vindicated by a majority of that House?—(Hear, hear.)
That one of the most bloody and horrible lists
of punishments ever put on record should be treated
co lightly as it bad been attempted to be treated by
the Hon. Gentleman was a matter of extreme astonish-
ment. The Government of Austria stood distinguished •
from the ethers as being the only Government in Eu-
rope which had bombarded every great city in ;its do-
minions. He was glad to find P'at Hon. Gentlemen
had not uttered a single word in disapproval of the con-
duct of her Majesty's Government on the subject of de •
bete—(Hear)—and ho hoped it would go forth to the
country and to Europe that this House unanimously ap-
proved of the judicious and discreet course which her
Majesty's Government had pursued.—(He ar.)
Lord C. HAMILTON had never said the Hungarian
constitution was net an old one. It tock date seven
years after Magna Charts was granted, namely, in the
)ear 1222. He heard the Noble Lord (Lord D. Stuart)
say the Hungarians were always independent, and al-
ways enjoyed that constitution. The ignorance charged
against the Noble Lord was that he did not seem to bo
aware that at the first battle of Mohatz the
Turks appended Hungary to their empire, that for
a century and a half a Turkish Pacha dictated laws from
Buds, and that the ancient constitution was restored to
Hungary by the house of Hapsburgh.
Sir B. 11. INGLIS observed, that whatever support
the Hungarians might have given to the house of Haps-
burgh, John Sobieski at least was not a Hungarian.—
(Hear, hear.) He rose merely to make the remark, lest
it should go forth that these statements of the Hon. and
Gallant Gentleman (Sir De Lacy Evans) had, by pass-
ing uncontradicted, received the unanimous assent of
the House of Commons.
Sir D. L. EVANS bad said nothing with respect to
the nativity of John Sobieski, but he believed that Hun-
garian troops were chiefly instrumentality on that occa-
sion in rescuing Vienna.—(Hear.)
Mr. M. MILNES was surprised that the Honourable
Member for Buckinghamshire, skilled as he was in his-
torical facts, should have recalled the great events of
1745, when the royal rase, the Constitution, and the
Church were threatened, without stating that only three
noblemen were put to death, and certainly not more
than 25 persons were executed. That took place 100
years ego, and if Austria were content to go back to that
period, they must be permitted to regard her as 100
years behind the age.—(Hear.) When the present sub,
hest came before the Assemby of a neighbouring power,
who: e the majority was conservative, no single voice
was raised to vindicate or palliate the proceedings
of the Austrian Government.—(Hear, hear.) He could
not avoid animadverting on the imprudence of the vio-
lence sheen by that Government, as regarded the well-
being of the Austrian empire. Was the state of Austria
and Hungary one that could be viewed with satisfaction?
It was the interest cf this country that Austria should
exist as a compact empire. They must, therefore, re-
gard the events of the last few years with dismay, and
desire to implore the Administration of Austria to re-
trace its steps and adopt measuses which should have the
effect of obliterating in some degree the feelings of bit-
terness which had arisen among different portions of the
empire.

Mr. GRATTAN rose to addtice another instance of
punishment inflicted under the authority of the Aus-
trian Government in order to allow the Noble Lord
the Member for Tyrone (Lord C. Hamilton) another
opportunity of displaying his generous humanity and
fine national fz,eling. The case was described in a
paper which was from authority—not from a bishop
or a president, but—a lady.—(Laughter, and a cry of
" Question I") Question? It was the question.—(Heir,
he ar.) He shout like to see the Member who called
"Question!!"—(A laugh.) The document was what he
had a right to read. It was a letter from an Hungarian
Countess, and said—" In our immediate neighbourhood
an army of Hungarians, amounting to 10,000 men, with
40 cannons, surrendered at discretion. Two days after-
wards some Imperial troops, a detachment of Liechten-
stein's Light Hor.e, commanded by a captain, a native
of this town, entered Ruskley. I was:torn from the arms
of my husband and children, from the hallowed sanc-
tuary of Lome, and hurried before no judge—but 1, a
woman, a wife, a mother, in my own native town, before
the people, who were accu.timed to trr at we with re-
spect, was dragged into a square of soldiers, and there
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House who could list 3n :o the I. a7rative of such an out-
rage without indigraqon? Had the Noble Lord com-
mon faelings of humanity, that he could rise in that
House and desecrate its sanctuary by parasitical adu!a-
tion of women-floggers? She proceeded,—" I can write
this without dropping my head for shame. But my hut.:
band killed himself. f1..1 drew a pistol and shot himself.'
That letter was signed by the Countess de Matters-
-1 frach. There was a time when, in such a a cause,
" a thousand swords," to use the language of Burke,
" would have leaped from their scabtards in herk de-
fence."d If the Marchioness of Abercorn wa'etretaen
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gary to destroy iti independence. Thank God he had
lived to utter his
execration of those tyrants! He never
could think them anything but murderers with diadems
on their heads; and if they poisoned this atmosphere
with their pesti!ential principles and presence, he trusted
tbre was spii it enough in the British lion to humb'e
them and repel them from these shores.— (Cheerr.)
REPRESENTATION OF KENSINGTON.
Mr. MACGREGOR having risen for the purpose of
bringing forward his motion for erecting Kensington,
Chelsea, Fulham, and Hammersmithinto a 1 'arliamen-
tary borough,
Major BERESFORD presented a petition from Sud-
bury, praying for the restoration of the franchise to that
borough.
Mr. MACGREGOR hoped the House would have the
same patience with him which they had had with the

motion just disposed of.—(Hear, hear.) his case_ was
simply this. He saw two vacaet scats_. in that House
caused by the disfranchisement, of Sudbury, while on
the other hand he saw four compact parishes, with a
population of 123,000 inhabitants, 18,0#.00 of whom paid
a rental cf 10/. and upwards. His resolution was, that they
should, by Act cf Parliament, erect 'Kensington, Chelsea,
Fulham, and Hammersmith, into a Pa shamentary borough,
returning two Members. Lord Chatham once said that
taxation without representation was tyranny. Looking
at the electoral distribution of the country, he found 40
boroughs returning two Members each, or 80 Members
for a population, which, according to the census of 1841,
did not exceed 220,000 inhabitants. According to this
ratio, the four parishes to which his motion rederred,
would return 62 Members, and yet he only asked two.
The case was precisely parallel with that cf East Retford
in 1829. Mr. Huskisson proposed that the representa-
tion of that borough should be transferred to Birming-
ham. The Government, however, resisted it and with
success, but in 1830 a new Government came into power,
and the Reform Bill was the consequence, and cchedule
A, under Which not only East Retford, but many others
were disfranchised. He verily believed that if they re-
fused to agree to this resolution, the result would be a
second schedule A.—(Hear.) He merely claimed
this moderate instalment of Parliamentary reform
that they might have an opportunity of showing
the people that, when amendment was really neces-
sary, they were ready to carry it out. The Hon. Mem-
ber then went into voluminous details for the purpose cf
showing the unequal manner in which the representation
of the country was distributed; but the buzz of conver-
sation effeetsually prevented the Hon. Member's statistics
from reaching the gallery. He placed the claim of the
inhabitants of these four parishes upon the footing that
they paid taxes and ought to be represented. It would
be impossible for the country to go on with its present
representation, and every Member who voted against him
that night would be regarded as opposed to all reform.
The Hon. Member concluded by moving—" That in con-
sideration of the parishes of Kensington, Chelsea, Ful-
ham, and Hammersmith containing a population of about
110,000 inhabitants,residing on an area not exceeding 8000
acres, and comprising also above 18,000 houses of the an-
nual rental of 10/. and upwards; and further, in considera-
tion that there is no other district in Great Britain with so
great a number of inhabitants and houses unrepresented
directly in this House; it is expedient and just to in-
corporate, by an Act of Parliament, the parishes of Ken-
sington, Chelsea, Fulham, and Hammersmith, into a
Parliamentary borough, empowered to return two Mem-
hers to this House, to fill up the vacancies caused by the
disfranchisement of the late borough of Sudbury."
Mr. HUME seconded the motion.
Mr. BAGSHAW supported the prayer of the peti-
tion presented by the Hon. and Gallant Member for
Harwich (Meier Beresford), and observed that a new
race of men had now sprung up at Sudbury, who, if the
House would allow that borough to resume their solemn
functions, he felt assured, would not again transgress.
Mr. CAMPBELL said, the speech of the Hon. Mem-
ber for Glasgow, which had evidently produced a con-
siderable impression on the House—(Laughter)—ap-
peared to proceed on the presumption that Sudbury
might be replaced in the representation by these four
parishes; but it appeared to him that the function or
such boroughs as Sudbury was to return to the House of
Commons representatives whose talents were eminently
useful to the public, but who were, nevertheless, unable
to find access to the House through the medium of larger
constituencies; and he therefore could not regard these
four large parishes as a proper substitute for such a
borough. Ho wished the House to ask itself these two
quintions—would the constituency be likely to improve
the -character of the House of Commone?—(Great
laughter)—and, secondly, was it likely to give ex-
pression to some class of opinions that was at present
unrepresented?—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Was it not
notorious that in Birmingham opinions prevailed which
could not find place in any other part of the empire:—
(Reeewed laughter.) Was it not a fact that the opinions
entanciated by the Hon. Member for Manchester, if he
could be considered an exponent of their institutions cf
King, Lords, and Commons, were opinions that at least
it would be uefeir to suppose prevailed in any other part
of the empire?—('dear, and laughter.) The Hon. Gen-
tleman had not yet told them what Opinions these four
parishes were to represent. They certainly would not
be me.nufacturing coin tleueocies. He resided in the im-
mediate neighbourhood of these districts, and had a.-
tended same of their public meetings and parochial din-
ners—(A laugh)—and he had been assured by many of
the inhabitaets that they were unwilling to ba the object
of the Hon. Gentleman's experiment—(Roars of laugh-
ter)—and that the origin of the present motion was oc-
casioned by the passions and feelings of some of the in-
habitants having been led away by a speech of the Hon.
Baronet the Member for Bolton..—(Hear, hear.) He
thought on these grounds the motion ought to be
rejected.—(Hear, hear.) In his opinion, the carrying
of the Hon. Gentleman's motion would inflict a gross in-
justice on the adjoining district in which he happened to
reside.—(Hear, and laughter.) Now (said the Hon.
Gentleman with greet solemnity) the question I have
to put to the Hon. Gentleman is this—On what ground
is Knightsbridge excluded?—(Great laughter ar.d cheer-
ing.) I assure him there is such a district, which lies
between Hyde-park-corner and Kensington—(Elear)=-
and I can assure him that, in point of civilizatien—
(Renewed laughter)—intelligence, and capability of
exercising the elective franchise, Knightsbridge is not
ieforior to any other past of her Majesty's dominions.—
(Roars of laughter, and cheers.) Ile thought the fact
‘t Knightsbridge being excluded was an argument which
would he found adapted to the minds of many Hon.
Members.—(A laugh.) He would suggest to the Hon.
Gentleman to withdraw his resolution. If he persevered
in it, and if he succeeded in carrying away the House—
(Laughter)—whenlit came to the second reading,and was
in Committee, he should move a clause to exclude the
hamlet of Knightsbridge.
Sir G. GREY observed that the motion of the Hon.
Gentleman was merely a resolutior, expressive of the
opinion cf that House, and not a motion for leave to
bring in a Bill. The question involved in it was, were
they justified in disposing of the right of selecting two
representatives to that House without much fuller in-
formation than they had at present? He reminded the
House that the Hon. Member fur Cork had intimated
his intention of putting forward the claim of that part of
Ireland to additional representatives. Now with regard
to the parishes in question, he apprehended that the
number of metropolitan representatives had been ma-
turely considered at the time of the passing cf the Re-
form Bill, and they ought not to disturb the settlement
then made without some good grounds being laid before
that House—(llear.) On that ground alone he was
prepared to resist the motion. He did not know upon
what information the Hon. Gentleman had founded his
statistical details of the number of houses in those parishes,
they had no official returne, at all events, on which that
could be ascertained with accuracy. He did not think they
ought to proceed with such a resolution without great
deliberation ;and icquiry.—(Hear, hear.) But he was
reedy to take issue with the Hon. Gentleman on the pro-
position he bad made to the House. If Kensington and
Chelsea, and Cammersrnith and Fulham, were to be re-
presented, why should they stop there? why should they
not take in Turnhare-green—(Laughter)—and Chis-
wick? and why should it not be proposed that Brentford
else shelled have a Member? He concurred with the
Hon. Member who spoke last, in hoping that the House
would not give its assent to the resolution of the Hon.
Memher.
Mr. HUME said the inhabitants of those parishes
complained that the House of Commons was incomplete,
and they demanded that the number should be filled up.
Considering the numbers and wi alth of these parishes,
in was evident that these had been a groat omission in
the Reform Bill in excluding them when Marylehone
end Finsbury had obtained representatives. Why,
the population of these parishes had doubled within
the last wren er eight years. No doubt the
question of representation must shortly come
before the House, and he thought the district in ques-
tion would in that case have litt'e difficulty in establish-
ing its prior claim on the attention of the Government.
He advised the Hon. Geet'eman not to press the question
at present, but to give notice of his intention to mos e
for leave to bring in a Bill.
Colonel DUNNE hoped the claims of Ireland would
net be overlooked; and if the Hon. Gentleman tn• ant
to press his motion to a division, he understood that the
lion. Member for Cork would meet it with an ameed-
meat. He stated that fact to show that the Irish Mem-
bers were alive to their own interests.
After a few words from Mr. MACGREGOR in reply,
the Hon. Gentleman, yielding to the sense of the House,
withdrew his motion.
The motion was then, by leave, withdrawn.
MARRIAGE WITH A DECEASED WIFE'S
SISTER.
Mr. S. WOPsTLEY moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to amend and alter an Act passed in the fifth and sixth
years of the reign of King William IV., so far as re-
lates to marriages within certain of the prohibited de-
grees of affinity. He would net at present enter into
any details, as it was inconvenient to discuss the prin-
ciple of a Bill upon its first reading. The Bill was in
substance the same as that of last e ear ; but with the
view of meeting the objections of many of his Hon.
Friends in that House, he proposed to introduce into it
two amendments, the principle of which was to confine
the measure to the actual existing evil, for which he
now sought to supply a remedy—namely, the prchibi-
tion of marriage with a deceased wife's sister. Ho,
therefore, proposed not only to relieve the clergy from
any compulsion to celebrate the marriage, but also to
protect the clergy from any proceedings that might
otherwise be taken against them in the Ecclesiastical
Court, on account of an alleged breach of the
discipline of the Church. He had felt the force of
the objections that were urged against the mea-
sure cf last session upon this ground,and h •
consulted with many of his Friends,Hon. he waasviinn!
duces' to frame his measure in such a et. as
fwouldi
leave the discipline and rules of the Churchwa
untouched by i . He would not, theredfiore,l.rinet'esei-tie
wish the law of the Church, nor with its
would remind the House that aster a len tshceirper c;ebiaitee
upon the principle cf the measure last gyear' and
a considerable adjournments, it was sanctioned by three
ma-
jority in a House composed of 320 Members.
Tee SPEAKER having put the question,
Sir E. INGLIS rose to oppose tee introduction of a
measure which he felt involved the most serious eon-
s, queeces. He csuld cot but feel himself justified in
the course he was new taking when he recollected
the sanction which the House gave to the motion he
submitted to them, when a Noble Friend of
his askee leave to introduce a similar measure
in a fernier session. The House in that case
eventually rejected the request for the intro-
duction of such a Bill. It would not perhaps be
e(,nvenient on the present occasion to scats all his ob-
jections to that measure. It was sufficient for him
to know that it was one which not only proposed an
alteration in the law of the land, but alto an alteration
in the law of the Church, and an alteration—if man could
make it—of the law of God. It was a measure which
proposed a violation of what he believed to be scriptural I