The Sun.
London, England, 1844-01-22 00:00:00

Mr. 13arwsTEn—Look at your notes of the meeting of the
18th of July.
Mr. O'Co x NELL—It would he well if the officer of thetourt
Marked there notes. Let them be handed in for the purpose.
Mr. BREWSTER—Look to page 1 of that date; do you see the
names of any of the traversers ent,red there as being present?
--I see the names of Mr. John O'Connell and Mr. Daniel
O'Connell ; I see the name of Mr. Barrett in page 4.
At this period of the proceedings there was some little noise
at the table caused by the Government Reyorter speaking across
the table to Mr. Brewster.
The CHIEF JUSTICE pointed down to where Mr. Edwards
Vas sitting, and said the disturbance came from that place.
Mr. O'CoNNELL, who was sitting next to Mr. Edwards, got
up and denied that it came from him.
Mr. FITZGIBBoN said that many persons came there from cu-
iiosity, and if they could not hold their tongues they ought to
remain at home.
Mr. BkE WSTER—Look to pace 12; do you find that Mr.
Ray did anything at that meeting ?—Yes, he handed in several
auras of money ; I find in page 13 that Dr. Gray gave in con-
tributions.
, Mr. Bit xvcsTE —Look to page 3, read the contents, and read
slowly, if you. can.
A juror—Hold up your head, sir, and raise your voice.
The witness then proceeded to read an extract from a speech
of Mr. O'Connell's, in which he eulogised Mr. Alurtage. and
P,rusnised to attend the meeting at Balting,lass on the 6th of
"ugust which was his own birth-day. He then read a letter
fr the Right Rev. Dr. Cohen, Roman Catholic Bishop •f
`-lonfert, enclosing his subscription to the Association. Oia the
9artle day Mr. Barrett handed in money from a Protestant gen-
tleman of the North of Ireland.
The witness then read another exti act from a speech of
O'Connell's at the same meeting. In that speech Mr.
"'Connell alluded to the necessity of attending t• the muni-
eiPal elections, and said that the Tories had refused te pay the
borough rate. Ile also said that Lord Brougham had been
inquiring how the money received at the Association was dis-
ried of , but if Lord Brougham chose to sobs.eribe his pound
e wrathd be enlightened on that point—that is, it they would
receive the subscription of such a man. They had invested
6000/. in the funds already, they intended to invest 4,000/
'more, and 1,000/. had been advanced for the building of the
Conciliation Hall.
Mr. BREW iTER—Look to page 12; do you see an entry of
any rroney handed in by Mr. Ray ?--Ye,, Mr. Ray handed
In subscriptions from different parts of England and Scotland
(the witness enumerated them). Dr. Gray handed in money
sn the same day, and stated that the Marquis 1)f Downsliiie had
interfered to prevent his tenantry becoming Renualers.
Mr. linEwsTr K—Look to your notes of the nit eting on the
23th of July, page 2. —I have them before me. The secietary
funded in money on that day. In page 6, I see that Mr.
O'Connell handed in money on the same nay. In I age 8, 1
And that Mr. Duffy. of the Aation, handed in his subscription.
In page 9, 1 find that Mr. Steele and M. John O'Connell
nanded in money.
Mr. 13 REWSTE it—Look to page 6, and read the statement
of Mr. O'Connell with regard to the finance details ?—Mr.
O'Connell stated that the amount received from the 4th of
July', 1842, to the corresponding quarter in 1843. was 15,tioN.
Mr. BREWSTE 1: We will now go to the 14th day of August,
91 set out in the indictment. Look at page 2of your manu.
script--who appeared to have been at that meeting of the As-
sociation?-11r. Ray, Dr. Gray, and Mr. O'Connell.
Go to page 4, and tell me who wore present at that meet-
i"g ?—Mr. Steele was present.
Go to page 12 ?—I don't sue any names there.
Look again ?—Oh, yes, I see there the name of Mr. Duffy,
of the Nation.

Mr. 117s;;;;s1DE—We do not find any mention of the 14th
of August in our copy of the indictment.
Mr. BREWSTEE—It is a misprint.
Mr. WityrEsinE—My Lord, be good enough to strike out
that evidence against Mr. Duffy.
IikEWSTER—Just alter the date, my Lord, because Mr.
l'uffY's name comes in the next meeting.
Go to page 22 of August 3, and say who were present at
that meeting ?—Mr. Duffy, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele.-
4GO te) pa
.5, and say whose name..do•you find there?—Me. --
11
Go back to page 3, and tell me did Mr. O'Connell do or say
anything that day ?—lt states that Mr. O'Connell arrived
seortly after two o'clock, accompanied by Mr. Steele. He read
Ireral letters, enclosing contributions from repeal wardens,
Itornan Catholic clergymen, and others.
Go to page 7, and tell me what do you find there ?—Mr.
u'Gonnell read a letter from Philadelphia, containing remit-
tances and resolutions read at the Association of the friends of
Ireland and Repeal, and he moved that the letter from Judge
Doran be inserted upon the minutes.
Go to page U. Did he read any document of the Association
thatt
day I—Yes, he read his plan for the renewed action of the
"tstl Parliament; I got a copy of it at the Association.
The deputv-clerk then read the plan for the renewed action
of the Irish Parliament. He continued to read the manner in
tihich members were to be given to the various cities and towns,
and considered the basis of representation should be the amount
of population. This was taken from the census of 1831, which
:las prepared for a different purpose, and without reference to
he report of the Union. Household suffrage, after a certain
Period of occupancy. to give the right cf voting, and votes to be
taken by ballot.
Turn to page 11 of that day? Finds no notes referring to
arbitrators at that page.
Look at the last four lines ?—I see it there ; the meeting
then adjourned to the next day, when they were to report on
"e mode of appointing arbitrators and the abolition of the
Catholic oath.
Judge Caamrrox—Abolition of what ? Witness—The
k,atholic oath; looks to page 4 ; finds Mr. Barrett's name
and Mr. Daniel O'Connell ; at page 5 Mr. John O'Cori-
-14,11; at page 8 Dr. Gray ; leads page 4 ; Mr. O'Con-
-711 handed in several sums of money from various parts of
'flierica, and read letters from Nvw York and Utica accompa-
t)ing the respective sums, which he moved might be insetted
;Ix.' the minutes.
W-itness was proceeding to read" there were
igh sounding "
Mr. Frrzoilsos, Q. C.—ls this your comment on the pro-
cee'lings ?—Yes—( Laughter.)
Air. WHITESIDE desired him not to trouble them with refer-
ring to anything of his own.
Witness proceeded—Mr. O'Cont,ell said it was prudent to
_advise with the proprietors of the several newspapers as to the
Propriety of printing supplements, that all the letters should be
PAblialled. At page 8 reads the speech of ur. Gray, 01 the
°nun' a Journal, proposing the adoption of the report fur-
nished
by the Committee as to the mode of selecting ono
carrying into Operatien the appointment of arbitrators through-
out Ireland. Got a document that day at the Association.
El" it in Court. Hands it to ()dicer to read. 'I he Cie' kof
the Crown was then proceettit g to read from manuscript on
'ee slight paper.
Judge CR A3:PTON —Perhaps you have it in print; it is
easier to read.

Mr. BuxwsTea—We have it printed.
The officer then read the Report of the Sub-Committee. 1
August, 1643, on the system and appointment of arbitrators
in Ireland, signed by Dr. Gray, Aug. 21, M 43.
,111 r. BREWSTER—Look to the meeting of the 2reh of August,
aoil say vrl,o were present?—Dlr. Steele, Mr. John O'Con- I
nell, Mr. Ray, Mr. O'Connell, and Dr. Gray.
Look to page 7, and see if Mr. Ray did anything ? —He
read a letter inclasing a bill on Mr. Rothschild for 12S1. 1
Did Mr J. O'Connell read a letter ?--Yes ;he read a letter
from Cincinnati, inclosing 1131.
Did Mr. O'Connell say anything at that meeting ?—Yes.
niThe Witness then read some observations made by Mr. 1
s' Connell with respect to the order on Rothschild, the Arbi.
tration Courts, and a letter received from Mr. Barry, of Mallow.
kt,!•°ok to the meeting of the 29th of August, at pages 3 and 5,
an Say who were present at it ?—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Ray,
Mr. J. O'Connell.
Read the observations of Mr. O'Connell at that meeting. •
The witness commenced to read an abstract of the speech
re
act by Mr. Ross yesterday, when
Mr. Justice CRAMPTON asked whether it was necessary to
'tad the speech over again
t.l4r. BREW TER said that he only wanted to have the last
Page read ; but the other side might require to have the
entire read.
taTphe witness then read some observations made by Mr.
"linen, to the effect that Ireland had many grievances to
a.,,-raPlain of. She was accused of being discontented, and she
l in. It was said she was disaffected ; but he sung back
die accusation by saying it was as false as hell. She was not
brafrecte, but discontented. There should be no outbreak in
a life-time ; but when he was dead it would.not be an un-
natural or unadvisable result.
seThe expression " unadvisable result" seemed to come with
tirPrise upon counsel for the Crown, the Solicitor-General, and
fitness
Brewster again asking him what result ? To which the
itness still replied, an unadvisable result."
tOlr• O'Cosuseet.--I never said anything of the kind. (In
report read by Mr. Ross) esterday, the words were, we be-
`,le, " unavoidable result."
* 4r- BREWSTER—Can you say how any of those observations
sere received ?—No.
41...,00k to page 1 of the report of the meeting of the 4th of
r‘eniber, and which of the traversers were there ?—Mr.
—.lk Mr. Steele, and John O'Connell.
h topage 7 and see if Mr. O'Connell did anything 7—He
handed in sums, of money from Roscommon, Circular Bar, Bell-
lest, Adelaide, New York, Boston, and other places.
th?id Mr. Ray make any observations?—He recommended
‘,‘ Spirit of the Nation' to be circulated amongst the peo-
e. Instead of the trash they were in the habit of reading.
srp the witness read the passage very indistinctly, he was
Now
to read it over again.
abottat‘v go to page 16, and see if Mr. O'Connell said anything
th another meeting to be held ?-- Mr. O'Connell said that
h ore would be a meeting in Loughrea, where three or four
virMred thousand people would be gathered together,
in(
ere there would be no breach of the peace if the sub-in •
„-;"°r of police would only allow him to have 200 m .n, hardy
treaters, to act as policemen, under the command of the
-inspector
New •
h go to the 10th of September, and look at page 1
.irch of the traversers were present ?—Mr. O'Connell, Mr.
'''ac
nett, and Mr. Steele.
and t°. Page 10, for the meeting of the Pith of September,
• aY Mr. Barrett did anything ?—He handed in a sub-
erlption of •211
bid
r• O'Connell do anything after that ?—He addressed
poilt7.,eeting, and handed in 5001. from America. He also
De '"st out that the Orangemen were trying to give the Re-
m:, movement a religious character, but that it would tail, as
Now
°Neut. was to bent fit Irishmen of all classes.
*,}1,.."w go to the meeting of the 13th of September, and say
appeared at that meeting ?—Mr. O'Connell, dir. Steele,
and Mr.
ay.
11,.W,hat did Mr. ('Connell fir,t, do ?-1-le read a letter from
ell'"lngton, United States, and described it as a document
taianriacterised by good sense, practical information, and con-
•vv:l expressions ef symathy to Ireland.
sub. nat did Mr. Ray
atop read a communication ea the
th Pet of the enumer appointed to take the numbers of
e‘l-onstituency.
le.A'• Brewster then handed in a manifold copy of the address
stiaillsßritish subjects, which Mr. O'Connell, at this meeting,
littuld be circulated through the three kingdoms, and
tis,ea!ded on the walls of Liverpool, London, and Bristol. As
01.! Eleoeument was read yesterday, he did not occupy the time
t2ottl. Court with it, but simply put it in. He continued the
the notes
of the witness by telling him to go to page 1 of
~,Ttestes of the meeting of the 21st September, ani to state
01,4,011 n oft the traverser! wore present.-11r. Ray, Mr. J.
De, and Mr. Duffy.
V,l3tt.Mr. Duffy do anything ?—He handed in subscriptions.
wkt.• Duo Mr.
at the meeting of the 27th of September, and tell me
J:7),3?&unnfienid were at that meeting?—Dlr. O'Connell and Mr.
ape Witnesnsi answer to another question, was reading part of
ech r. O'Connell, but was stopped by Mr. Brewster, who
said;'
that he did not want to hear what Mr. O'Connell
• He only wanted to prove that he was present at the
xaeeting
its
any other person there?—Dr. Gray.
telly st 14"waTxit—The subject matter of this meeting was
ated yesterday • he should not, therefore, occupy the
p"rolove.of.itee Court with' going over it again. He only wanted to
Afrlrresence of the traversers.
saw theearresinz—But you are not to assume that this man
B
No -2 41:5TEL—I am not assuming anything. Look at
Olsodrin.e.ll andYAwihr.oßwaays.at the meeting of the 26th? Mr. J.
soother Connell O'Connell state at that meeting anything relating to
izeetifurneeting ?—lie made some observations in reference to
xi,. at hlulla hmast
fir, Was reading•
nit the observations, when
estrieL°_, said the course Mr. Brewster had to pursue was
"'tug the evidenee if Mr. R 011; he ought, therefore