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manner in which the Right Hon. Baronet stated
last session of varliarnent?
Sir GEORGE GREY was understood to tslattr
several essistant-guardians had been aPPintedn,t.
did not know anything rrgardin their peYtutierr--
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT' rl,O
c slat c 73( RGR:ye,VeeA) NNEvheatshkeerd
he
ee Member betrw;oo,ohisi,:
extensive alterations were proceeding in theer.
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of Commons. It appearei to be now disceve
there was not sufficient accommodation °peeler
House for the Members—(A laugb)—and berllo
stood there was to be a gallery which
away from the symmetr of the l'lts,e.‘ IVO
would ask the Honourabley Member whet'';
alterations were to be of a permanent charaetet'hao
Mr. GREENE said that the arrangement ofAt'liectill
on each side of the House had been found 50 u.° men'
that it would very much diminish the number to 1101
bers who could sit in the Clouse.—(Laughter') `
been determined, thererdre, that V. ,e lower gallery 01
end of the House should boappropriated to tee wort
Members, so that the House would accommodates
at
larger number of Members than it ever had doee'oeig
order had been isued, therefore, to get LIP the
a temporary mariner, so that Members might c'ecmfr
for a Jew days this session, and judge. of
usiects`l,tter:
tions, and if the arrangement were loaner s
would grea.,
the arrangements would be carried out
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facility, but if nu:, the alterations could be tt'
refute:
iess expense. The present arrangement was; tRe
quite temporary. stioo
Lord HARRY VANE wished to know if al -
had been made of the expense
Mr. GREENE ,aid there had, and it amounted toy fal
Mr. HUME wished to ask whether the srebiltnecd rst°
ai c,tinue to have a per centage on all the bale
committed ?
yrort dell°
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQu'-
that he had ever received a per tentage. it sr
Mr. GOULBURN hoped that. Bon.
asking questions on the subject in future would 0-t
etjuse of such terms,
Sir J. PAIiINGTON gave notice that, °11), t-
be Sboli''
occasion of going into Committee of SupplY, Ser
ask a question of which he had utice "
to the King's-road, Pimlico. given
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THE STAMP DUTIES. „rot idt4h.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQu'as:gf-''',,
regretted to find that the alterations which be s,:droo,
in the Stamp Duties Bill hid not reconciled Ind, 0'
ences of opinion which existed on the subjectLP-tb
thef view of reconciling those differences attb
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The House resolved itself into Committee 00 '"-eodePa
On the motion that clause 17 be agreed to usrliell
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that the saving ti;l9lP
was proposed to effect in the salaries of certeiti,iitel
should be left at the disposal of the Colonial
The amendment was opposed by Lord J. Btril° 4
Mr. HAWES. t 5112
_Mr. ROEBUCK complained of the extra
which tine clause proposed to give to the G°lie‘ideslll

Van Diemen's Lind.- It was 5,0004 ayearretibe6i„:
too much, and he would therefore suggest te8.1,000;
ing of all salaries should be left to the colonies
selves. 00/4
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think that conr°
be prudent, and he must consequently oppose
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that power cow"
given to the Governor to make a civil list for
specified time. l
Sir W. MOLESWORTII said if we wishecl.,: t,id A
proper officers in the colonies they should be r-
some degree of liberality, 06°9
The gallery was then cleared for a division, b
took place, the clause having been agreed to. witl9
Clauses from 18 to 28 inclusive were agreed t°
any discussion.
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On clause 29 being proposed, astiegs'
Mr. E. DENISON suggested that the hetlll,lo -
the colony of New South Wales should be els" dd
tinctly defined than they were at present. r to
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Crown had pow- eche
new settlements and to form new boundaries
necessary. piscil'
Colonel ESTCOURT thought it would be 'l3/' f
cable to lay down any distinct line of boundariyd f,'
After a few words from Mr. ROEBUCK and
RUSSELL, the clause was agreed to.
On clause 30 being proposed, f
Mr. V. SMITH said this clause and tbe -°aoB,-
clauses, were the novelty of the Bill. In the Vir°-ntl
it was proposed to have a general asserabilt 6 bellej;
found to be impossibly, and they could not exPeles,,,
success in Australia. He hoped his Noble Frieell. P
consent to have this clause struck out of the 131 hod°
wished to know what her Majesty's Government
say on the subject. t 01/
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that be did ne-blist;
there could be any such thing as a federal stself6AbeeAgr
less the colonies themselves proposed it, and "",„1
the powers given by the clause might not for sie—feorv"-,
be called into operation, it was better to provito bet
matter now, while legislating on the subject, L"; fetus
to come to Parliament for fresh powers on angst;
occasion. With regard to the " squatting interedssl7,i
thought that it was better not to be represent Id
arr
present period. He trusted the Committee Ivo'
fte
to insert these clauses. too „i
Mr. E. DENISON said he had no objection ": slo'

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deral association, but in providing for that the, oble,
too lar, and prescribed rules and regulations fer l';
made it impossible that such a body could eels,
formed. Ile objected to the form in which the -
were framed.
eles:
Mr. ROEBUCK said that the clauses were &VIA 0,
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most unfortunate way. The great object to es P.
ie;
federation, a subject which he thought of greet -bet
ante. The idea might be sneered at by sorne,, Tbt
hoped to see a grant people spring up.—(Bear') ire
clause had better be withdrawn with a view to °
greater consideration. at°I,A C°
Mr. DISRAELI said it appeared to him that 4-0
pursued by the Noble Lord was dereating his °0 treco
jest. Those clauses had been drawn up tVI3 h
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misconception of the true principle of federato':*; elf
true principle of federation was equality, sycl,slol.
upon the basis of independence in the several s"--A
noel
the clauses were not withdrawn the Noble 1-41.: lees-
fail in his wise and statesman-like scheme.
went upon the principle of inequality.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that perhaPP
might be increased by some variation in the PrilA eolti
He certainly wished the clauses to be carried, et01.,-,.
with that view see whether the clauses could
severe
amended before the report so as to meet the se"-
gestions that had been offered.
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Sir WILL MOLESWORTH said he 04 ;efo-
a great federal association, unless it was intended 0,6
a great independent state. If there was any, ePtetil
necessity for this union, he should not oppose t;
thought there was none.
e° Mr. LABOUCHERE said that it would not W bill
hg,
the tie of these colonies to the mother country ',they
arrangement, but rather strengthen it, by enahlifige re'
to effect what changes might become necessary 1"
gular. and constriitional maner elteei
e s;
Mr. DISRABLI said thatnprobably, as it vise 5-icir,
ledged to be a difficult and delicate matter to pro/400V
machinery by which the federal association could l'ettitri
vied out, the clauses had better be withdrawn ssitol4idl3e
Mr. ROEBUCK hoped that the Noble Lord Vi°'
so readily accede to that suggestion.
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Mr. ADDERLEY thought the plan inaPP-I,c 001
present. He did not know why the Noble Lau -bor.-
object to two General Assemblies, and therefore egg
that the Noble Lord would again consider the the
tion, as it required much reflection on the part -
nee
Government.
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Mr. ROEBUCK said that he was at a loss toehee tc,
for the speech of the last speaker, particularly f!,"eeso'
asserted that he (Mr. Roebuck) confounded his ludistOr
this plan of forming two legislatures, which was
trically opposed to his wish.
Lord J. MANNERS objected that an apP- s
should be made by the General Assembly to he'..
jesty's Government.
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Lord J. RUSSELL said that the objection rsI:s tioc
the Noble Lord (Lord J. Manners) was very obJeC4 tit
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able, particularly when it was to be considered,,: 000°
there was to be an agreement on the part of the tleo. be'
Assembly, there should be a perfect understandie°
tween au panies.
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The Committee then divided, when there appearsFor the clause
Against it
Majority for the clause
Clauses 31 to 49 were then agreed to without
discussion. the
The preamble of the Bill was also agreed to, %pi
House resumed—the report to be brought_up on
week. fsfj.
SECURITIES FOR ADVANCES ( Bi ;4
IRELAND)
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The adjourned debate on the second reading °-
Bill was resumed.
he Dili;
Lord NAAS opposed the further progress of o_4o-
and regretted the opposition to the measure missfallen into abler hands. It was true the
measuilme it
been brought in by Government, but at the sitol,;,,ioi,eti
could not be denied there was a great diversity 01",.'esi the
on all sides with respect to this Bill. He eonsioe'olll,e'
Bill was a step in a wrong direction. It was tklidl, ,„
enable parties, under the Encumbered Estates ."'"etel':
borrow half the purchase-money, and secure thl,,tstiv
on the land. This he considered was in total 11-syel
of the Bill they had been called on to sanction lest, all
The present would not have its intended eliAeced o'4°'
would also act injuriously on the present Ilitiv-erliee-
prietors. The Bill last year was brought in to 0 Del
proprietors of encumbered estates and to set crefee
and had it been brought in on any other principle tot
for any other object, he should have given it mil quo%
determined oppositicn. To prove this he wool' epee
a passage from the Honourable Member's here
who brought in the Bill. The Noble ii°,,rh r Of:
quoted from the speech.) He( would ask whe`c,;? `f
present Bill was analogous to the Bill of last yea
was at direct variance with the object and pris,Tcrear if
the Bill of last year, inasmuch as he firmly be".ence c;
passed, it would create a permanent enctirohliree asp
property. It was an extreme measure that l'i"„"rct and
passed last year, but it was brought f°1."1.-tes -
supported solely because of the exigeoe-e;bieg
the case, and the necessity of doing B,lles ill
to relieve the holders of encumbered ett,
Ireland. He would ask the Right Honourable oe'
tleman, if the Bill pasted into a law, whether it le Or
carry out the recommendations in the report 151 ,
the receivers in Chancery ? Assuming the so in;
not contradictory, and assuming the object "'a n 0 tb
crease the value of land and to save 10se,„'eed ,
glut of land thrown on the market, yet its °-f;
it was, it did not appear likely to carry 00-e the
jeer, or to create a better state of thigrtrcl here
that it was enacted to supersede. The Noble Aefie ct,e
entered into some calculations to show the Oai
probable working of the measure. It bed two pru_
these measures were calculated to create a peas d 113.13
prictory in Ireland. Nothing could be more tO"