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Member should have something in the background tO,
_
fell back upon. It might be very desirable to iellobeg;
views of the constitution which the Hoe.
expressed, bat they ought not to blind themselves Oi,
moment as to what his views were. The Roneer3
Member, in fact, proposed that their deliherert:°.lle
should proceed without reference to history or rep lasl,u,
precedent. It was plain that instead of desirediscusnl'
ideas in detail, they should sit as en absolutel.
assembly, with no barrier to its will,
decrees, and before which all the states and coati
th_e,
bodies of this country should bow. It might be
.ae.:
such a thing was desirable, but all he could say !_,,
papeditaeur
that he, at least, was not one to desire it. .04 wee•
in the way of legislation, and the delay alwa) all
were
od
dental to the progress of large measures, they
familiar with; but he thought 3 et, that the sum ?f iaesss
under their constitution was so great,' their institt!tia:ath
as compared
whichwl
so valuable, and their fruits so precious,
no oppositioioutiets,
those derived from other forms of government ~
were recorded in ancient and mcdern history, that al"
though ho would not declare them to be de %Le,
inferior, still he would not lightly
sures of change-and resistance.—Hear, hear.) sle be
ways considered that existing laws should o be
changed when the change was obviously for the P_..e.,isg
good; and in this view he had always acted annulmtits,
to tbe prospect before him—according to the 0: vos
tion which he did not frame, but under which hera ~.
born, and which he certainly did not wish to overturn
(Cheers.) It Ras proposed, some time seiseane;
most important change should be made in co 11
pirated
erobracene
sat.
Lion of the House of Commons. Ho was not ail deli,
by reverses; but, after ten years of discussion Pnrs'eforto
beration, he had the satisfaction of seeing *greet
allof respectP eriiamfeonr Parliament
thead oopotnesdt.i
constitution, because did
bencostu
sseaythhee
adopted at once.--(Hear.) Then he proposed a changeo
. matter ,
of great cons( quence with respect to religions
pas 000•
namely, the Corporation and Test acts. lie tot he
cessful in his first attempt to repeal those laws coo.
had in the first instance, by way cf conipteniise'io to
scented to the substitution of a declaration. The?, esker
commutation of tithes, he remembered that the all_siot
and some Hon. Members did him the honour
otof point
out that his measure did not meet the wishes awl to
exactly whom it most concerned. 110 nP/Ifigod the
Bill i revvsasrtioeodt
their proposition, and by that means fecti,foo yr
enactment of his measure. He might nnee'esoegh
rious other matters, but this he thought was s tittle
to show that great good might arise from ;001"
timely sacrifice of pride and extent of original in boo
The Honourable Gentleman appeared not , tt`)d bll
forgotten the words in which he one° era'essifieti
opinion that the Honourable Member ent?r Diem'
narrow views on certain points. The Honourable fiteee,
her seemed on that occasion, as he frequently bad
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to think that the aristocracy of this countri and to,
class quite independent of otnera in the countrirthe seal
said he thought that was a narrow view °f
question. the freuble
Mr. BRIGHT—I can save the Noble Lord the ibe
of the rest of the illustration. I was not referrinflat Sir
matter he has been speaking of, but to the unccitt colt"
t e
tribution of the representatives cf the people -El
stituenciec. f recalecf
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—It was a matter 0-, 00 o
tion. He (Lord John Russell) was speaking los On
learning in the Church or in the law, or of 014 sll 11'
had achieved distinguished positions in erlii's of the
whom had arrived at some of the highest honne.stoersof
Peerage, and formed as proud a part of the
0"tie0I El.
as any who could claim descent from An s ,ft onlY,-;013
He thought, and maintained, that it as 11)ad '91::41
unfounded fact, contrary to all they btu; one wh'•"-
history, and were seeing every day, 60' s eifeet.
if believed, would have a mischiefouloos et
and by the ultimate disunion ef el ()replete
which it aimed, would ultimately lead to then: e n
subversion of the constitution at resenteretl4l):P3.l:vtieer
was for that reason that he thought the 10.-; ring -
for Manchester was quite mistaken in consl."jecatif di'
aristocracy as a part of the community they were
at
vided from the rest. On the contra* lb 'Deo& ,1
completely and desirably connected with the areaieote
lerge, that their ranks were continually being 140 goo,:
by the :most meritorious and deserving., Be essol,r,
Gentlemen was not satisfied with the Bill. pool i
the eight-pound franchise, He (Lord Je,aliboye peep
wanted the same thing, and he wished it ea' sot. '-""-
carried through the other House of Pollan; Govore;
jections had been taken to the conduct of tb,,,eosure,.„tt
went in having delayed bringing forward 0 "lieies, ,""ti
correct the deficient of the Irish consul(
00 4sitit,
the famine with which the country had, uvinediases
mrbeid:uruengsths
et l with it calamities which required le2paa $ Ph;
tention and relief, and they thought °lel hileeil- 1
pairmessuepdonsothfeoirrcicboltyisiudperoantiotTeman,etbwor !lois
bOOOO
oestin It to
think it was a time to introduce a political q v too )
that it was more fit L. postpone it. Ifiallpedir, thatbear')
lbli,lhacimusseey,eataornd theythwe
emus
brought
went
l uv e
up to
t forof
ort thehwea ri
Lords,t delay:
his n ri, ki r- pa-SIO:old t ;000!
wwoubledreba,aerjtVi.boeairo
were made in it. The constituency
That was a great good, and he conceived it "be 10.31 t
while to pass it. With regard to the fateref'ftae irtlif
constituencies specific c o ulsih,rihaessoieraruldtvlccodeoii r
e proposecontented to eitherw ith i t side.
, v
e y
,wreelelliob„„:,
bo!
ediuwiltxnihsetddyseeipndrhptd
hrenotoesdi:,m,agt give satisfaction, and excited str°l4l; she" on
rtnncswouetamn ls ft oat
nucntdh hereafteri s necessary.eßxi
el nwadwould
at t.i...
..clot
be
0_
Jibeoeo :opirr, eoppre,,o;
fat.)
ad acted in other instances ie 81)°,„prol .to
constitution of this countrye,siolngiveer ;releprrosierlinu"
andprotmo
potreesethrvee
the. people,
the country,to• bed
stitutions. he filo.,dg,
Mr. M'CULLAGH said; one Flon. ember Loaf 1"0.-of
soil have the Bill as it came from the 11°„°- 'olet,ia° sti
e could nut consent to that That weE,l. 11:1 04ise
the principle of the Bill, which it was le''''ofti frs°,-pire,'
hthaPePpieereenseanaeen"ny of °le
was that something like an equality s- toe e", IV
should be given to Ireland with the rest ci: by P3:a t
That principle was asserted in that 1:1011„sthat 00; alo
ties of 58 and 69. It was now intirnateur this e,o"orde
strong feeling was manifested in Irelee" "Le fr" 05
mreistptoeerisitbolefixfatrhethe alterations
be a permanent Bill. He did not l'n ,be 1 6001'
old top b
made ie,"•ss i sic ea'
gentlemen opposite, who were in ininorlll,,,ta,ao.
went, who was notq
ample induced the House of Lords to rals-os laid if
:Ia l ificatiogn att
ilusfl/u,e and,nceet:ct,he;:litheo'
withoutethhei"BillAwhNicohblethLisoHrdo,uisne thhearedaother
dowtis,....fh mioceisela. :
would enfranchise the rubbish ofP.gesleand, will, P PA °Ol
elections
n under the influence of the Prs,le! lock friar
ported by
the
eopsoescerd by the Member for "11
01'1 00;
sgoivtehaatclotnwstoiutuidenccyree of 110 000 and that (:). 136 113°
' ' d won
26,000 givefor ,
Secretary taordlirtreelraenne,elf
st co;
I ge fr
whole of the constituency. In five of the -1/riet a
chine
in the province of Connaught'a ,000: :1.104
e would give a constituency but 0,- - ~,, be ate'
franchise of 121. would give 1,174. l'e' 00" re'
ask whether, even if they consented to thl9 floaldool
qualification, they knew whether the Loidi/sad sb •
ject it. He had no alternative to choose, thet
vote for neither. 00 Vibe lie
Mr. M. O'CONNELL said the question tenone. et
they should have a franchise for IrelanLd. or Do Nolo:
thought 81. too high, and now thong'''. sa stlY^,oo;
but he thought the Bill contained one gt,e" es °,seor' lel
in the mode of registration. He regard old be der
()tilt. atthae gNreoabti
eadLarndt,s
good, the fact diet the registration wont so011".,001
without the solicitation of the eleotor--heibo pre..nrster
to improve it hereafter. tie 03 "dee
ande tHakeetheveeerlyd vineetesni°sri; bl 6
rrgold
Mr. SHEIL said the Member for Dundee- , to •:„- Of
the case as if the Noble Lord had the Vries orirssto
the House of Lords to pass the Bill as it we 't eviln"4o
proposed, but he could not do so. He "6 no Thes,Oa 01
hoe that the Lords would retrace their step?... op- 0
had adopted the principle of self.registrane.`"o4 0000
they rejected it in one case. The qualiflee.tril theaacollbis
same iu both cases—in the counties andkvi-tael'- eros"
and boroughs—and there was no reason wiv olhe or
adopt it in the one case and reject it in tilt° 8 10 re° Cer
retention of the old system would give j...-1 and fssolb°
agitation, which would involve the territornso a 10-1,00
dotal interests in a perpetual wrestle. It led ri°9loo
to suppose that an appeal from a consent- ewe. COe
would not reach a 151. franchise as well assff 11',10 1°
chise. Father O'Shaugnessy would hera-1,70g tet; pre
gregation, and give notice of the aPPr°„-Itbst 4eiees,l
ast
henradvt ebdent.topytriewc
peesaerkteodt
hraeetyg ist e r . He would "P's-eir 1:1-A' or
twheounledxatlel
their country.—
sMurphy is touched by the invitation, 111",;f• thedieri
1 VWe I ler I:1 iea
allhe cepoosst , 0 What rete j,
hear? Havegametime you given notice to rvgis" ,he g, pr
Murphy takes off his reach s $. tbe
hat, which rein •s •09 f
110 eg
know that
and bending
low with obsequious subs:o_ooo,o
y possessors
necessary
haven
o(r country.—(Laughter ai unongf
oht
titthcelheeiresa.
saefnwHa7disr,he,ehi ,act:tinotilenloweebn:
ehieettrorsso,
elhovie door
ine,eveelho?".
if!c,
col Gll:efet
doerul.0(1001
is
it
:obi
:edit
diced
serve
Father O'Shaunes Does Father tied bebt't°
ipsghauhgisriegsfya.y„ !tits°,
oftruttbotoopele
constitutional influences which would/toilte_,4
bear upon the registrations ae they had Dosch hP" )•
'on' of
the Lord Lords. H e objected to the oinisSien etstratl.ods
made in the self-acting principle of tirtbe 1 y/
would in fact be an appeal fur the ballot I..,bssoiellivo is
those who thought secresy better than s',, tocenti,ool:
(Hear.) The amendments made were' erhst the 00icle
agitation. He did not, however, despair oto coo tor
would change their course when theY name of tb 6
"r even hen OS
the consequences. He did not deslol , fd, le seob a
cretion of Lord Stanley. That Noble me-,,„ fro-4 lfr
ht toe
tO of
Emancipation Act was passed, tboug--.„ he of to
too high. In the case of the Reform 131" "d. ft
trod
oath by which the franchise was toeloWere 113'wbe '
who gave an intellectual ofi fon hi bc • ibe
qua ica i .. se 1 of s
tion of the system of national education, wry, 0 $ tlioi
measure of wisdom, and was his highest id 14011
less because it stood alone. Ile, too, vi°ll the 1 110°1
for 0 t
his advent to power would be the signal ~011 ,0,
party would tea .00 tfie
of unseen doings, whereby i elosnl e tO 1 0
berties of the people under a tyrannlne• take,• ,sseo,s
Mr. DISRAELI said objections welloy e%etiotici
other branch of the Le islature because t aoestl 0010
privilege conferred g by the 0, eel iglli
upon them id be op; Le re'
1 There was no reason to say there won f Tee ;slit ,s
bete eon the two Houses. The Hoy"' koselllogLY;
agree to the proposal now made, or that, 003 e 70110° "3
ject it. He complained of her IlajestY 0 dee so 1
by 000 sla
troduced into
the debate, as it had bean_ 104 b rip
fur Manchester, which was unconstiturooooo 01 alters,
might fatter the freedom of debate. Thal, eertolarlt fo
in their discretion, had presumed tom s”;itb a vosed,ol3o
tines in this Bill. The Bill ts cot tlP,.6totion.t.e. 'Aga
chise. It cause. down with a 151. anal f'rarieoofe'sst
was proposed that it should be a 1 b
and theosea.,ll,o
question between the House of Lords • e ndi
oreglebis •
went was between a 12Z and a 15/ 11'4 'se f' *dr"
• '
question was the self-acting 000., . ,
was a point upon which there were