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MEETING OF THE CATHOLIC POOL!
SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

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The annual meeting of this committee has just
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being among the more important matters dis-
cussed :
Lord EDWARD HOWARD, in moving the postpone-
ment of the consideration of the report, in order
that the motion upon education, of which notice
bad been given to the members of the committee,
should be discussed, said that before he proceeded
upon this most important subject (the general
situation of the actual and prospective education
of the Catholic poor in England, Scotland, and
Wales) he must recall to the committee its position.
It had been established by the bishops twenty
years since; the most successful Catholic institu-
tion there had ever been, owing in great measure
its success to the excellent gentleman in the chair
(the Hon. Charles Langdale) for the purpose of
communicating between the bishops and the Go-
vernment—thus enabling Catholic poor schools to
receive, as others did, grants of public money ;
besides this, it had to collect money, and to distri-
bute it to the poor schools in connection with it.
It was composed of clerical and lay nominees of
the bishops from each diocese. Now, what was
its position ? In twenty years it had collected
£98,314, of which more than £ll,OOO were lega-
cies; beAides this, nearly £lO,OOO for a training
school ; but if the money of the first ten years
and the last ten years was compared, it would be
found that in fact each sum was the same. Hence
the Catholic body had not given it support as it
ought, because while its contributions to the com-
mittee remained the same, it had in twenty-one
years more than doubled in the numbers of its
clergy, churches, and chapels ; and, looking at the
number of its charitable and other institution,
there might be, he inferred, a very great increase
in its position as to numbers who could be
cared for under spiritual supervision, and the in-
terest which was taken in matters connected with
it. This being the case, what were the numbers
of the Catholic body with whom it had to deal ?
He spoke before gentlemen who knew that in the
manufacturing districts congregations were only
waiting for priests and chapels to be put down,
when they appeared in unexpected numbers. He
was, therefore, inclined to take the higher estimate
of Catholics instead of the lower ones in this
country ; and, of course, congregations being com-
posed of Irishmen who follow out the hardest and
worst-paid occupations, are attracted by the increase
of manufactures; and, by their further increase,
might at any time be larger than now. He would.
Fit them at 2,000,000. But it would be found

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that if gentlemen chose to make large deductions
fr,nn 11;t3 estimate, very large numbers of unedu-
cated Catholics would yet remain. He the I gave
figur,s according to which education was yet re-
quired for numbers varying from, in rouni num-
bers, 90,000 to 175,000, according to the views
which might be taken in calculating, and the
allowances for, deductions of various kinds m
He a'so adverted to the large expenSe consequent.
hereon, which, in 1866-7, was in Privy Council
schools £1 Is. 30. a head. Such being the posi-
tion of the Catholic body, it became necessary to
most earnestly consider its requirements in face of
the gre it and recent development of educational
zeal through the country and in Parliament.
There were two biils in Parliament. One the bill
of the presentp Government; as to this, he thought,
as far as he could see, there was no harm, but if
availed of, greater facilities for establishing schools.
Apprehensions he had seen mentioned lest the
enactment of a conscience clause should ultimately
lead to the ejectment of religious teaching from
schools. But he had also to mention the other
bill now before Parliament, and he thought, in its
ultimate results, legislation in this direction
threatened most strongly the religious e ion
of the Catholic poor, and that, viewing the sudden
way in which great changes now occurre I, this
danger must be viewed as at our very doors. This
is not to be imagined as the object of the origina-
tors of the bill, but is very much to be feared
where minorities of a religious creed are mixed up
with those of other °reeds, as experience of the
most painful character but too well showed. He
then dwelt at length upon the contents of the bill,
showed how it originated from a gentleman who
held a high official educational position in the late
Government, who would thus represent it, very
probably, in the next. lie showed that it was not
only brought in by a gentlemxn of Liberal opinions,
by one of Radical opinions; but the third name on
the bill was that of a Conservative member of a
very large county; hence members upon both sides
of the House favoured these views of education
which threatened Catholic education in a de-
nominational and practical point of view. He.
went through the machinery proposed by the bill,

from which it appeared very unlikely that Catho-
lics would be represented in the management

of the new schools whilli would arise under

it. Catholics being of opinion that religion
forms an essential part of education, and this

view, certainly, as to a Catholic education, not
being understodd or participated in by the

overwhelming majority of this country, hence the

danger, unless the schools could be established by
Catholics, in time to enable them to be supported,

in the manner pointed out by the proposed bill as

schools " in union " whenever it might become law,
which might be in a very sh)rt time. Although

the Government Bill, as proposed, did not seem
hurtful, yet it was airea ly stated by leading states-
men that it did not go far enough, and one noble

lord was reported to have objected to its ineffi-
ciency on the ground that it did not reach the
Irish in the large towns. Of course, it is to these
Catholics that their co-religionists wish to extend

a Catholic education, the difficulty being the ex-
pense and means of providing schools, and it is
chiefly in their regard apprehension exists. The

Poor School Committee had done what they could,
but the means they had to spend mere quite inade-

quate. He therefore moved a resolution request-
ing the bishop to take measures to endeavour to
induce persons to increase these funds, in order

that the Catholic body might have the means to

prepare itself for the great and sudden change,
the prospect of which was so near. It was

possible, as a Poor School Commit'ee, that they
could allow the time to pass, without d dog their
utmost to ward off consequences so fatal, and
which are so subversive of the satisfactory policy

of the last twenty years. Persons curious to read

debates on these bills may see them in the London
morning .papers, of March 18th and 25th. The
noble lord then moved the following resolution :
"The Poor School Committee recognizes the
cxitital *paid= in which the Ugislatnre may

zhortly place the poor Cathodes, whose education
the committee has been appointed to promote.
"It most respectfully requests the bishops to
cause it to be furnished with the most reliable
statistics of the number of children who are un-
provided with the means of C:tholic education in
the dioceses fur which their lor.lships have ap-
pointed its several members, in order that it may
have the means of m eking every posdble effort to
fu:fil its duties.
" The I'oor School Comr&ttee proposes to ap -
point a sub-committee to receive such information ;
and it wool I be greatly ob'iged by being told at
• what period of timi its s.:c:-etary may be likely to
obtain it."
The speech of Lord E. Howard was followed by
a discussion, in which took part Mr. Hutchins
(Diocese of Newport), Sir George Bowyer, Bart.,
M.P. (Diocese of Southwark), Mr. Weld Blundell
(Diocese of Liverpool), the Rev. G. Rigg (Eastern
Vicariate of Scotland), Mr. Howard, of Corby
(Diocese of Hexham), the Very Rev. Canon
Walker (Diocese of Beverley), who sec 'nded the
resolution,. Mr. Macdonnell (Western Vicariate of
Scotland), and Mr. Gainsford (Diocese of Bever-
ley).

The resora`ion having been carried unanimously,
Lord Edward Howard, Mr. Weld Blundell, Lord
Herries (Diocese of Nottingham), and the Very
r -Rev. Provost Cookson (Diocese of Liverpool), were
appointed as a deputation to carry it to the bishops,
from whom a communication was subsequently
received, to the effect that they had ordered the
statistical returns applied for to be made up as
soon as possible, and to be furnished to the com-
mittee.
The following petition to both Houses of Par-
liament having been sent up to the bishops, and
received back from them, was resolved upon :=
" The Catholic Poor School Committee, repre-
senting the Catholic bishops and laity of Great
Britain, has existed during twenty years. it has
been recognized by the Government as a council
of primary education. The committee has during
this time actively co-operated in the extension of
the system administered under the minutes of the
Committee of Council. They consider the deno-
minational system, by which the public grants are
distributed according to certain general rules of
equal application, to be based on those principles
of justice which alone can satisfy the rights of con-
science in the present state of this country. They
are also convinced that a careful regard to the
same rights of conscience can alone insure a con-
tinuance of zeal and energy on the part of mana-
gers. The denominational system now in opera-
tion has year by year largely multiplied the schools
of this country. As Catholics, they must ever
most jealously vindicate the principle that religious
teaching is the basis of all education. By this
system of State assistance each religious com-
munity has hitherto been able to base the education
t_f its children on its religious belief. They
earnestly hope that the existing systeni may be

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perpetuated so as to extend itself yet more com-
pletely to the poorest classes. They consider that
such an extension, carried out with proper safe-
guards and with generous assistance from the State,
will best meet the needs and the desires of the
country ; and that a system, of national education,
based on such principles, may become both efficient
and universal.

The committee resolved to throw into the sum

it would give to building and support grants the
whole legacy of £l,OOO received in the past year

from the late Mr. Ritchie. it was thus enabled to
vote the sum of £1,490 to twenty-six budding
grants, and the sum of £1,426 to 157 applicants
for the support of poor schools. The remainder f
its income was devoted generally to grants in a d
of St. Mary's Training School, Ilaminersmit ,
and of the Liverpool Training School of Notre
1) ime, to make up what was wanting to these
training schools from the public grant, to grants
for reward medals in silver and bronze, to the ex

p mses of ecclesiastical inspection, and to some

other minor grants.

In reference to the general collection, the secre-
tary brought three points before the committee.

The first was the number of missions which sent

no collection. Comparing the return of 1867, up

to the present date, with that of 1866, he found
727 collections received this year, against 766 re-
ceived last year, and 157 defaulters this year,
against 122 last year, while the sum total of col-
lections received was £1,910 11s. 6d. in 1867,

against £2,150 16s. 41 in 1866. One diocese pre-
sented 25 in default against 55 received. The
cases of the same mission making default in suc-

cesive years were numerous. 7i hus, a mis-ion
which had had two building grants from the corn-
mit:ee, which had 430 children in its schools, and
had received £179 as annual grant from the Privy
Council in 1866, during a series of years, had sent
no collection, and took no notice of the secretary's
request for information. The second point was,
the small amount sent from important missions.
As an instance, might be taken a mission with

more than 5,000 Catholics, which had more th.tn
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500 children in average attendance, which received
more than £lBO as annual grant in 1866, which,
moreover, had accepted two building grants of
£l3O from the committee, and which sent as a

collection in 1867, and the same sum in 1866.
These sums were such as in many cases to indi-
cate, in spite of the most charitable construction,
that they were not bona fide collections. The
third point was the delay in sending up collec-
as an instance of
tioeitotisti which, the s cretary
m
.ied that, whereas the collection was made
in June, he had to write in December to nine
missions in one city, which had nut sent in their
contribution. Its cathedral had even now sent no
collection, and sent in June last a collection made
in the previous June. Froal these th:ee causes
great loss and inconvenience were experienced by
"the committee. They could be arrested by the
authority inkervening at the time, but, if left un-
censured, they had a tendency to reproduce and
multiply themselves.
The Secretary was requested to repeat these
statementeito the bishops,which having been done,
an answer was received from their lordships, pro-
mising that they would endeavour to promote the
regularity of the collections in behalf of the Poor
School Committee.

This account of the committee's proceedings is
n eces arily incomplete and fragmentary. it is only
intended to give some notion of its annual discus-
sions, of the subjects which occupy its atten-
tion in successive years.

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