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London, England, 1850-10-19 00:00:00

SMITHFIELD MARKET COMMISSION.

6PIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.
saom THD MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY.
TFAIES.—It is reported by those who profess
themselves better acquainted than we care to be with
the intentions of the Court of Rome that the promo-
ti" of Cardinal Wise man to the titular Archbishopric
of "Westminster is only one portion of a complete
scheme for the revival of the Romish hierarchy in
this country. Twelve bishops of the Romish Church
are said to be designated by the Pope to fill the seas
1'4_0,, which it has pleased his Holiness to divide the
0
LL ell, s dominions ; and the Cardinal Archbishop is
're long to return to England armed with full Papal
Powers for the government of the affairs of the Roman
Catholic body in his province. We have no means of
ascertaining the accuracy of this statement, and we
ente
4411 d be glad to learn that no such project has been
rtained ; or, if entertained, that it is not likely
that a scheme so calculated to revive amongst the
People Of England the strongest feelings of suspicion
and aversion against the Popish authorities of the
llotnan Church will be executed. But the spe-
Vlreeo Pius IX. has recently given us of his po-
wieiYth avbesliii„ihiatentions and the imprudent exultation
we are toll that a lost nation has
sold of recovered and reclaimed by this very act to the
More St. Peter, may justify an apprehension that a
ostentatious and ambitious display of the preten-
sion N s
urn" the Papal Court is actually at hand. As-
1--`ag, therefore, that these facts have not been
f
~L? eoloured, we may
te ibution ask what they mean. F0r4.,,
1.1.a.eY have any signification at all beyond an idle ,i..- 1
of spurious titles, they mean that the Pope
V_onceives that he can in the 19th century resume
exercise the direct spiritual government withi
Btroalrn of a considerable portion of the Queen's
hi ets, and that by means of a regularly established
ase‘rarchy, accountable to Rome only for its actions,
leog as they are not absolutely at variance with the
mil tenour of our present laws, he can divide with
the Crown the allegiance of our' fellow. countrymen.
It is not
lo i • 'an we remarked on a formeroccasion, ori_th.meo.-
:n.g,ictahlagtrtuonndssethat we repudiate these arrogant clai • ,
the term which the Reformation
tanlped upon our branch of the Church of Christ)
we protest against them, 'We respect the sanctity of
religious o ' •
of conscience' Pl44ms, we recognise the inviolable rights
,_ro under every form of worship, and we
rs_
civiltstheliberal principle of the age we live in, that
",tionoisetsiteiept,iidonnissa:biilities ought to be annexed to religious
But with the utmost deference for
every En e,l,P,es of religious freedoml ins the person of
More, boguannlan, we are not the es, but rather the
?elect und
power
t° uphold to polity of this kingdom,. to
to fasten
with indignation the attempt of a foreign
resi rtell its authority upon our divisions, and to
tiles the reconstruction of those great engines
our
for sßomish hierarchy which it is the glory of
Forou
if jtathers to have expelled and overthrown.
eouaretletprojects are ever fulfilled to the letter the
over ,a,' Rome will have recovered a greater power
s
%lab., '',"at portion of the nation which admits i
Isef 4'tY than it sei dyed for centuries before the
vs_armation, as far back as the reign of Richard 11.,
isuelin the introduction of unauthorised Papal bulls
with her the penalties of a prcentunire ; and_ England
,upr ner Protestant establishment and her oath of
hiessestasavY would concede to the Roman Catholic
rits",,!"Y and to the Pope a greater latitude of autho-
r they have enjoyed for ages in the. mostst
b;
confessed,
states of Europe. That is actually, it must
gync'afessed, the present state of Ireland, and the.t
NA c'eld of Thurles with a host of evils which afflic
of itsegrade that country are the clearest indication
11113!tigsetsfrdeNtvaiien These effects will probably only be
means shall have been found to define
allowances
the mutual obligations of the Romish
of the State ; meanwhile we make
‘lll.vvrances--perhaps too great allowances—for the
u eh which has maintained so dark a superstition
we ;ootl;red so constant a disaffection amongst a large
of the Irish people. But here in England
I, kilve and move in the heart of this empire ; it
laws, that we preserve, in the sanctuary of ourd
sshil the traditional polity of the nation ; an
frs,sever humours may affect other parts of our
Cluster" e, it is by the consent of the free people who
round these abodes and crowd this island
,that
N:tearare what we are. Is it then here, in Westmin-
ths,' among ourselves and by the English Throne,
do',..‘ ,an Italian priest is to parcel out the spiritual
017,1110 n of this country—to employ the renegades
i! „onur national Church to restore a foreign usurpa-
over the consciences of men, and to sow division
u e!sr Political society by an undisguised and syste-
matic
with
to the institutions most nearly identi-
sudeir ith our national freedom and our national faith ?
table _either
must either be ludicrous or intole-
-aneitth:r
theo must
nituotti some fanatical brain or
treas
gated our Roman Cathorinu.
lass vestiges of civil p
:oc s c
r il.p. t
iNobV countrymenouehaoadv e f
oe
from the
rtriaotiscte sake we have done wel
a 111 zealously of those who
rinatnolceil
fought in that cause there was not
direct who would have endured the thought of a
of 'int sncroachment on the spiritual independence
tioss gland by that faction from %horn these restric-
Part.,W•einre to be removed. The destiny of the Whig
been relation to the Roman Catholic Church hafs
.
cerit curious sod
perp,exmg. They spent the firstlh7oolo,
hi ,ugrY of their political existence, from 1650 teolement
wt..; against the Catholic
..puh'en thre
1800 to
„ , atened to blast the liberties of the country.
18:6' :lave spent the last half-century, froml 1
in ' `tl retnoving every remnant of the
jorestoring to the Romish Church all the liberpyrotesd.
pena atwstaannd
tssesPec,ndence it could claim at the hands of a h
ow-
eVer state' This apparent inconsistency may, -
crush "0 readily explained. They combated and
110 ed the Catholics in the 17th century because.
to rY was another name for all that was most hostile
tie_ e.theory of constitutional government and na-
C 1,51, independence ; they laboured to emancipate the
2tholics in the 19th century because their claims
wee Pref rssi__ erred in the name of a persecuted faith. They
svili's?(. the pretensions. of Rome to a supremacy 1
fu_ L:.ia the laws of this country have utterly condemned
t,' three centuries ; they admitted without reluctance
ss;equality of the rights of conscience under every
toe of religious opinions. Those rights are secured
1, y
I the man, no less by the spirit of this age than
the 1 recent Acts of the Legislature ; but it is not
s ess incumbent on us to oppose whatever bears
even the appearance of an assumption of authority
ouch
we emphaiically reject by the solemn declara-
rn, that "no foreign prince, person, prelate, state,
or potentate bath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction,
i teal orspriritnal'
eascr,
_superiority, pre-eminence or authority, eccle-
indeed, to the En .. , within this realm."
see of Rome itself thaaotratahnese objectionCatholicssfairly mayiave
Catholic countrymenoceedings
the
in these proceedings
On
of the alien authority which')
the contrary, they are more likelyY 7.. such rash innovations, and the enjoyment of their
tnonlonsne than to gain
r_ hgious liberties was more respectable when it was
_4,4:Ste silent. But since Rome is itself the seat of these
r_l.n.lculous contrivances, we may fairly regard such !tternpts at spiritual aggression as a mark of hostile
:r, I:pertinence, to be met with due vigour by the Bri-
', the
Government, not in England, but in Italy. In
ue,liresent state of the Pope's dominions, while the
paaa,le remnant of his temporal power excites the coin-
sa'°n of the Catholic states and the contempt of his
Jeets, the direct opposition of England and a bold
resolution to shake the rotten edifice to its foundations
itght prove more formidable dangers to the occu-
ttvef the Vatican than the presence of a sham
I -e,mulallop to the Protestant citizens of Westminster.
dneple, rqhrtion as the vitality of the Romish Church
and
bv,--"Iles at its centre, it revives at its extremities ;.
'; the Strange contradictions of its nature a Sove
4." who is .Loo weak to defend himself in his palace
against a mob who insult him with impunity acquires
a sort of • •
istence in countries not subject
so • parasitic ex
his authority, and distributes dignities and duties
?s'wrestahich are not his own. But the Papal See may
te too much on its weakness as the screen of its
ambition. There is a spirit abroad even in Italy
Which will not be roused with impunity ; and, how-
ever reluctant we may be to add fresh elements of dis-
cord to the present agitated condition of Europe, we
are not disposed to submit with perfect tameness or
indifference to the wanton interference of a band of
foreign priests in the affairs of this country.
CHRONICLE.--In alluding, on a recent occasion,
to the contract just concluded by the Admiralty with
Mr. Laming, for the conveyance of a monthly mail to
Cape or Good Hope, in screw-steamers, for a 1
payment of 30,0001. per annum, we described, in ge-
neral terms, the nature of the three principal pro o-
sals which have been made for establishing - p.tensive and perfect lines of steam com icalonthbaen
be-
tween this country and its eaatern dependencies mun
importance and the
those at present existing. The
increasing urgency of this topic render it necessary
that the questions connected with it should be still
further discussed ; and that attempts should be made
to bring under the influence pf nigtend and
impartial public opinion, a class not arrangements
which have now become a matter of national concern.
Of the three routes by which it has been proposed to
establish a passenger and postal steam-packet service
to Australia, it may be considered, for all practical
Purposes, that, in the present stage of the discussion
at least, the Panama or Pacific project may be
left entirely out of view. The thorough
establishment of a cheap, easy, and expeditious mode
of transit across the Isthmus of Panama forms so pe-
culiar and essential a feature in the Pacific scheme,
that until we are better acquainted than we are at
present with the actual progress of the plans for con-
necting the two oceans, we can do little more than
reason upon assumptions. The question really lies,
then, between the Cape and the Eastern routes ; and
it is fortunate that the efforts which have been made
to render the proposed Australian service a mere
branch line from Singapore have excited a very salu-
tary discussion on another, and perhaps the most im-
Portant, of our great schemes of contract packet ser-
vice. It will be remembered that, in reply to the

Admiralty advertisement of November last for ten-
ders for the Australian line, the Peninsular and
Oriental Company submitted a bold and ingenious
scheme for accomplishing the proposed object, PA part
of an important extension of their present field
of operations. They proposed, and they still
propose, to carry a monthly mail to Syd-
ney yid Singapore, at a cheap rate, on
condition that the whole of the contract packet ser-
vice to the eastward of Suez be placed in their hands.
As we shall have occasion to show presently, this
large and imposing scheme is in substance the revival
of a plan which was suggested so long ago as 1844,
and which was then laid aside, after mature consi-
deration, because it interfered with the establishments,
invaded the rights, and was incompatible with the
independence, of the East India Company. The re-
vival on the present occasion of a plan which was
regarded as having been definitively disposed of, has
of course again excited opposition ; and there is every
probability that, by means of these disagreements, the
into
the will obtain a full and searching inquiry
the whole question of our contracts for steam commu-
nication with the East Indies. On the one hand, the
pretensions of the Peninsular Company have been
e,poused by Sir Charles Wood, with even more
than his usual heat and indiscretion ; and on the
other, the case of the East India Company has been
stated with great force, dignity, and temper, in the
letters and minutes which appear in the final sec-
tion of the blue book recently issued. The subject,
however, is not likely to remain long in the very un-
satisfactory state in which it is lift by the official cor-
respondence. Taking a wise advantage of the inter-
val for preparation afforded by the recess, Lord Joce-
lyn placed on the notice- paper of the House of Com-
mons, on the 10th of August last, a notice of motion,
for an early day in the approaching session, for a
Committee "on the question of the existing steam
communications between England and India "—his
object being to ascertain " whether any improvement
may be made in the conduct of those communications
previous to the grant of a further contract to any
company proposing to carry on that line ;" and also
to inquire "into the most fitting mode in which
steam communication between England, India, and
Australia may be effected, with due care for economy
and with advantage to the public interest." The
whole of the questions raised by this notice
are of the highest practical moment. They
affect, in a very intimate degree, the in-
terests of all persons who are connected with
India ; and the investigation will bring before a
competent tribunal several controversies which admit
of no other satisfactory mode of adjustment. The
Select Committee of 1849 on the Contract Packet
Service has already in a great measure prepared the
path, and indicated the duties of the proposed Com-
mittee ; and if Lord Jocelyn should be fortunate in
the selection of his colleages, he will have such an op-
portunity as very rarely occurs of settling a very in-
tricate question, and of performing an important
public service. It will be desirable, before entering
upon a discussion of the points which have been raised
between Sir Charles Wood and the East India Com-
pany;to state, with all possible brevity and clear-
ness, the precise position of the facts. The convey-
ance of passengers and mails by the overland route
between England and India is a somewhat compli-
cated operation, and it is in the hands of several par-
ties. The Isthmus of Suez may be said to occupy a
middle position between the two geographical divisions
of the journey and between the two principal authorities
under whose auspices it is performed—namely, the
East India Company and the Peninsular Company.
On the western side of the Isthmus there is no colli-
sion whatever between these two .corporations. The
passengers and mails between Southampton and
Alexandria are conveyed solely by the Peninsular
Company, with the exception of a short service, on
every alternate voyage, between Malta and Alexan-
dria, which is performed by vessels of the Royal
Navy. On the eastern side of the Isthmus—that is,
between Suez, or Aden, and India—there are two
lines of steam communication, the Bombay and the
Calcutta. The Bombay line is in the hands of the
East India Company—the Calcutta line is under con-
tract to the Peninsular Company. The former must
be regarded as the trunk postal line, and the latter as
the trunk passenger line, between India and Eng-
land. A line of mail steamers from Bombay would
be always able to maintain a very efficient postal
communication with the whole of the three
Presidencies. Bombay is the most direct route to
the whole of the Pnnjaub frontier, and to a very
considerable portion of the Upper Provinces. It is
within a nine days' dawk, or post, of Calcutta ; and
it is considerably nearer to most parts of the territory
subject to Madras. On the other hand, the greatest
number of passengers are to and from Calcutta. The
East India Company, for reasons which will appear in
the sequel, have, from the very commencement of a
steam-packet communication with India, firmly main-
tained their command over the Bombay postal line;
and they have also as readily extended their counte•
nance and support to the introduction of private enter-
prise in the passenger line to Calcutta. The facts,
therefore, at present are simply these :—as concerns
the East India Company, the .mails and passengers for
England, which leave Bombay on the Ist of each
month, are conveyed to Suez by steam-frigates of the
Indian Navy—these vessels carrying back with them,
on their return voyage, the mails and passengers
which have arrived in the Red Sea from Eng-
land ; and as concerns the Peninsular Company,
the mails and passengers which leave Calcutta
on the Bth of each month are conveyed by vessels
of that Company's eastern steam fleet, vac Madras
and Ceylon, to Suez. The effect of this arrangement
is to give the East India Company a full and inde-
pendent access for postal purposes to their own terri-
tories, and to give the Peninsular Company the means
of completely carrying out their own commercial ob-
jects. It is quite clear that the maintenance of a
postal line to Bombay is a great Imperial as well as a
great Indian object ; and in all the financial arrange-
ments which have been entered into from the first
establishment of an Overland Mail, this truth has
been fully admitted by her Majesty's Government.
The cost of the Bombay line has therefore been divided
between the Treasury and the India House ; and at
present, under an arrangement first entered into in
1837, a sum of 50,0001. is paid to the East India
Company for the performance of the Bombay service.
The arrangement with the Peninsular Company is
somewhat more complex. On the Ist of January,
1845, that company entered into a contract with
the Admiralty, for a term of seven years, to
expire on the 31st of December, 1851, for the
conveyance, in steam-vessels of a specified size,
of certain periodical mails to Calcutta and China.
For the performance of this contract it was stipu-
lated that a sum of 160,0001. should be paid annually
by the Imperial Government; and at the same time
an agreement was concluded with the Court of Di-
rectors, by which the revenues of India were charged
with a yearly sum of 70,0001., as a contribution
towards the cost of the arrangement. Assuming that
one-half of the expense of the Bombay line is borne
by the Imperial Treasury, and the other half by the
revenues of India, the financial part of the question
stands at this moment on the following footing :
The total cost of the steam-postal services between
England, Bombay, Calcutta, and China, is 260,0001.
per annum. Of this sum, 120,0001. is provided by
the East India Company (50,000/ on the Bombay, and
70,0001. on the Calcutta line); and 140,000/. is pro-
vided by her Majesty's Government (50,0001. on the
line to Bombay, and 90,0001. on the line to Calcutta).
And the point recently in dispute between Sir Charles
Wood and the Court of Directors had reference to a
scheme suggested by the Peninsular Company for
accomplishing an apparent economy, by removing the
steamers of the Indian navy from the Bombay and
Suez station, and placing the entire steam-packet
service eastward of the isthmus in the hands of that
Corporation. Such are the leading outlines of the
case, and on a future day we shall return to the sub-
ject and investigate it more in detail.

PLATE.--AuLleiyywEßerPeOofor,r,maylyutrocoAmY.
OF
prisoners—TThHeESElZU R
SirrellE
mitted to take their trial at the next Liverpool assizes by
the county magistrates, at Kirkdale, this morning. Nothing
further transpired, and the London officers returned to town
by the eleven o'clock train, taking with them the k pac ages
of plate and jewellery which they had brought down here
for identification. A list descriptive of the various articles
remains in Liverpool, but no additional claims have yet
been made, although several persons have visited the police-
office in the hope of finding somo of their lost treasures
amongst the property seized at the house of Sirrell. The
police authorities here have been in communication with Cap-
tain Brown, of the Dublin constabulary, and that gentleman
has just forwarded a description of plate stolen in Ireland,
which, it is thought, will be found to correspond with some
found in Sirrell's shop. Since the examination on Tuesday
Sirrell has been very low in spirits, and has frequently
been heard to say that he wished himself dead or shot.
He appears much concerned at the cases in London, and
other places, which it is stated are in course of preparation
against him. It is stated that APGuire, who was a
numbersd
from custody yesterday morning, entertainedof
his particular friends at his house in School-lane in the
evening.
SPAM:a:NO.—Tau MUSTARD-GROWERS.—Just now
is the time of thrashing and selling mustard. Although
some of the samples are grey, upon the whole the carps are
Yielding pretty well, and fortunately the price is again very
remunerative. it is considered good 'for a bushel when it
eaches the " teens," and the best seed is a long way on the
teens this year. Under present regulations scarcely any of
the tenant-farmers. are allowed to grow this or other small
!,.ee°,, p consequently the growth is restricted to those who
farm their own la .
• rd and many fortunes have been made.—
Stanyin d Are ' r clay.
At Clerk en well Police-court, onWednesday,Richard
Pickering, the
brother of Mr. Frederick Pickering. the artist,
was remanded on
a charge of having stabbed his step-
mother. That lady, it appeared, bad remonstrated with him
on his idleness, when
on e
her
seized a knife and inflicted several
dangerous wounds
His GRACE THE face and head.
DUKE OF NEWCASTLE --NO vi-
Bible improvement appears
health of the Noble u,e as yet to have taken place in the
same state as at this time last Apparently he is in much the
of his Grace's week We fear that the chances
the Earl of Lincoln recoveryure very remote. The Right Hon.
i father, as well as the remains at Clumber with his noble
i Notts Guardian, other members of his Grace's family.—

MR. BUNNING'S PLAN.
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 1850.
GEORGE CORNEWALL LEWIS, Esq., MX., iu the Chair.
Henry Lowman Taylor, Esq.; Thomas Henry Hall,
Esq.; Mr. Deputy Hicks; James Low, Esq.; Thomas
Dakin, Esq.; Mr. Sergeant Merewether (Town Clerk
of the City of London); Thomas Saunders, Esq.
(Comptroller) ; Edward Tyrrell, Esq. (Remem-
brance* J. B. Bunning, Esq. (Architect), attended
the Commissioners.
2173. You appear as a deputation from the Markets
Improvement Committee of the Corporation of London?
Mr. Taylor—We do. We will produce to the Commis-
sioners a plan that we have prepared, which we hope
will show that we have endeavoured to meet the diffi-
culties and objections which at present exist.
Mr. Bunuing—This is a plan [producing the same]
showing Smithfield-market as it as at the present mo-
ment, with the surrounding property. It is proposet to
clear 81 acres, extending westward and northward from
the present site of Smithfield, upon an inclined plane of
1 in 100. The bullocks on the south side and the sheep
an 'these pens on the north side upon a regular hanging
level. Oce entrance is provided ut the south-east side.
A vast number of cattle come along Long-lane. A new
street is intended to be cut from Helbarri hill to Long-
lane; and it would be a very desirable thing to do when
the market should be removed from this space, but should
it be opened now while the market is here, it would be
inconvenient that the traffic should pass through where
the cattle are, but by this arrangement the cattle will be
entirely taken out of the thoroughfares and enclosed; in
fact she market could be locked up. Cattle coming
down Long-lane would enter the market at this point,
immediately opposite St. Bartholomew's Hospital, and
they would go down the inclined plane to the ties and
the sheep also. There is another entrance from
St. John's-street. There is also an entrance from
Cow-cross-street ; there is an entrance from Turnmill-
street, one also in the centre, and one at the extreme
southern point, so that the cattle and sheep having to
pass over Blackfriars'-bridge (which they do in consider-
able number) would go in this direction through Far-
ringdon-street. On the upper level is provided space on
one side for the pig-market, and on the other side for the
calf-market. From one side, round to the east by the
other side, there will be a series of arches 32 feet in
depth, the light coming into them from the area. These
would be formed into layers for the cattle unsold on the
Monday's market, so that instead of driving them any
distance from the market and returning again, they
would remain here to be sold till the next market-day.
These layers I propose to ventilate by means of a disc,
driving the air through the whole of the cells by under-
ground drains. There is no difficulty in that, because
we should blow the air out immediately through all the
openings. Then, at the base of the cattle-market, it is
proposed to put the dead-meat market. This plan shows
the various entrances ; the houses surrounding the
markets, and the shops in the interior, all of which will
be explained to you on a model which has been prepared.
Attached to these markets, it is proposed to arrange
slaughter-houses upon this spot. It is considered that
about 1,000 bullocks a week and about 5,000 sheep
are slaughtered at the present moment, and our plan
provides for that number. Well-ventilated slaughter-
houses could be arranged on this site to any extent,
without displacing valuable property.
2174. Will you explain exactly the changes with re-
ferences to the area which you propose to make? Do
you propose to give up any portion of the area of the
present rcarket, and to take in any new area?—We give
up this portion of the market opposite St. Bartholomew's
Hospital, which is now oceupied by bullock-rails, and
this portion nest Long-lane, where the sheep are.
2175. How do you propose to appropriate those por-
tions of space?—My idea was to putdraths and wash-
houses upon a part, and the Haymarket to surround it.
2176. What is the area taken away from the present
market according to your plan ?—lt is very considerable.
We have 8f acres provided here, and I should think
there was very little more than au acre remaining of the
present site included in it—the site is shifted more west-

ward.
2177. What is the present area of the market?—As
nearly as possible, six acres.
2178. Out of those six acres you propose to retain
about one acre?—Yes.
21'9. Then to that one acre you propose to add about
seven acres not now used for the purposes of the market?
—Yes, 7/ ; there are 12 acres altogether, consisting of
31 and Bk, and the slaughter-houses besides.
2180. What is the entire area which would be appro-
priated to the live-stock market, the dead-meat market,
the slaughter-houses, ansl all purposes connected with
the market, according to your plan?-121 acres ; then
I propose to erect a fountain here, by which we should
be enabled, if it were considered desirable, to furnish
the cattle with water; and it would be used for clean-
ing the market. There is a good deal of difficulty, in
dry weather, in cleansing the market, but with the as-
sistance of the water, the drains might be flushed and
the market swept, and cleansed immediately after the
market was closed. Ttie:e is great facility for drain-
age down this large sewer, which runs direct towards
itlackfriars. The whole market could be cleansed by
those means with the greatest facility, and the cattle
provided with water, if deemed necessary. I do not
know whether the Commissioners are aware of the
miserable property which now covers this ground. It is
of the most inferior description. Here is a plan on
which it is shown. It comprehends Sharp's-alley, where
there is a large knacker's, and several slaughter-houses,
and where the houses are of the worst description ; and
Fox and Knot-court, where the houses are also bad; and
Garden-court, which is of a very inferior description of
property ; and Red Lion-alley, and Red Lion-place.
With the exception of the houses that we pull down iu
Victoria-street, and some houses surrounding Smith-
field, the whole is of a very inferior description.
2181. What proportion of that is beyond the City
boundaries ?—That is indicated by this line—all south
of that line is in the City; all north out.
2182. How far do you go out of the City boundaries?
—About 250 feet.
2183. Does this plan provide much better accommodation
for both descriptions of stock, cattle and sheep, than the
present market affords?—l think so; every portion that
is enclosed here will be occupied fur the express use of
the cattle. In the present site the road-ways are in-
cluded in it.
2184. What is the difference between the area appro-
priated to the purposes of the live-stock market, accord-
ing to your plan, and in the present market?—lt is
nearly double in this plan.
2185. Will there be room, according to your plan, to
tie all the oxen to rails?—Every one.
2186. There will be no ring-droves?—None.
Mr. Taylor—At the present time 2,750 only can be
tied; we propose to provide accommodation to tie 5,000,
which is the maximum number exposed in Smithfield.
' The accommodation for sheep also in this new plan will
be sufficient for the full number that ever has come to
Smithfield.
2187. How many do you provide lairage for?-1,000
bullocks and 5,000 sheep.
2188. By what means do you propose to acquire this
property which is not in the hands of the City?-By en
Act of Parliament.
2189. With regard to the dead-meat market, what is
the difference between the accommodation proposed by
you and the existing accommodation in Newgate -
market ? Mr. Bunning—lt is about throe times the

area.
2190. When you say it is three time as much, do you
mean three times the size of Newgate-market as far as
it is the property of the Corporation, or do you include
the neighbouring houses?—There was a calculation
made, that about 60,000 or 70,000 superficial feet would
be required, taking the houses alluded to which surround
the market. Now in this plan we have 108,800 super-
ficial feet.
2191. What is the exact difference in point of size
between this proposed plan and the present extent of
Smithfield-market?—I think it may be fairly computed
at twice the area of the present market.
2192. What is the size of the proposed area, not in-
cluding the dead-meat market?—Eight and a quarter
acres.
2193. The present market is six?—Yes, that includes
the roads; this does not. By the arrangement of the
market in the form in which it is here laid out as to
carriage-ways, the public will be enabled to pass round
the market at every possible point, but they will not pass
in any way through it; no vehicle of any kind can pass
through it, unless allowed to do so by the authorities.
This has been the great object of moving the market-
place more to the westward.
2194. Was the plan of the dead meat market laid out
with the view of superseding all the dead markets in
the metropolis, or only Newgate-market?—Only New-
gate-market.
2195. What is the nearest point to which any railway
comes from this site?—lt is about the same as at the
present moment.
2196. Can you state the number of animals that could
be slaughtered daily ?—They are calculated at 1,000
bullocks a-week, but additional space could be taken to
any extent, without injuring valuable property, because
from this point of the Sessions-hcuse it is one continuous
line of bad property, knackers' yards, gut-spinners, and
all sorts of objectionable trades.
2197. Supposing: the area that you have laid down for
slaughter-houses should not be found sufficient, what
quantity of land could you add to it ?—Speaking within
reason, almost any amount ; it is but to continue north-
ward. All the property is bad up to the*Sessions-
house.
2198. Is the burial-ground now used ?—No, it has not
been used for some years.
2199. Is the :proposed area for the slaughter-houses
within the City, or out of the City ? —That is out of the
City.
2200. With respect to the lairage, are the animals all
to be tied up ?—Yes.
Mr. Taylor—There Las been different suggestions
made to extend the market. We have had other plans
prepared to bee which would be the best mode of effect-
ing the object; but we thought that the remodelling of
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?dr. Bunning—By increasing the excavations, and by
removing the portion which has written upon it "building
frontages."
2203. Wbat space does that occupy—Low much
could you add?—Not, quite half an acre.
2204, Could not the dead-meat market be extended
also?—lt might be taken further to the south to that
extent.
2205. Are the approaches to the projected live-stock
market generally better than those to the present mar-
ket?—They are wonderfully improved.
2206. Are. the approaches to the projected dead-meat