The Sun.
London, England, 1844-04-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 15.
Mr. R. YORKE presented a 'petition from the
Yorkshire Law Society against any compensation
beinggiven to certain officers in the Court of Chancery.
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY presented petitions, foul
'North Wales, against the union of the sees of St.
Asaph and Bangor.
Mr. RICE TREVOR presented a petition &mu
Carmarthen, for the establishment of local courts.
ISLE OF MAN.
Dr. BOWRING gave notice. that, to-morrovl, he
would put a question to the Government, respecting,
the regulation of the Import Duties in the Isle or
Man, and also respecting the Harbour Duties in that
island.
STIPENDIARY MAISTRATES (IRELAND).
Lord EBRINGTON gave notice that he would to.
morrow evening, on the Order of the Day for the
House going into Committee of Supply, move for re"
turns relating to the appointment of Stipendiary 148:
gistrates in Ireland.

. APPEAL IN CRIMINAL CASES.
Mr. FITZROY KELLY gave notice that, on
Tuesday, the 23d inst., he would move for leave Of
bring in a Bill for the establishment of a Court 0.
Appeal in Criminal Cases.
SUPPLY. •
The next vote put was, that a sum not exceeding
55,6001. be granted to defray the salaries and C.
penses of her Majesty's Treasury.
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the Vote Y 1.15
agreed to.
It was then proposed that a sum of 18,70*
granted to defray the salaries and expenses of the Pe'
cretary of State for the Home Department.
Agreed to.
A vote of 67,0001. was proposed to pay
the salaries
and expenses of the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs.
Mr. HUME said that this vote included an item off
20,000/. for Queen's Messengers, which,. in time Q
peace, seemed to be enormous, and when, moreevr.;
there were such facilities of communication not OPI9.
in this. but in foreign countries.
Mr. WARBURTON expressed himself to a 8104
Jar effect, and.said he thought these messengers eon
to travel by railway, which was the safest and Wye
expeditious mode of travelling, and by far Pr
cheapest. •
Mr. REDHEAD YORKE thought the suggestld
of the Hon. Member deserved the utmost attention.
Mr. HUME said he would oppose the present in?:
tion unless the Right Hon. Gentleman promised
lay before the. House a return showing the journe;
which these messengers performed, and the exPeese
to which they were subjected.
Sir GEORGE CLERK did not oppose the rettl
The expenses of .the -messengers were not so great
in the years 1839 and 1840.—Agreed to. the
A vote of 22,100/. was next proposed to defray
expenses of the Secretary of State for the.Colonw
Department. •
After a few words from Mr. HUME,
The vote was agreed to. I f
The vote that the sum'of 32,5007. be granted .I°,
the salary and expenses of the Committee of rettj
Council, and the Council of. Trade was agreed e
after a short conversation. •
2,0001. for the (salary of the Lord Privy Seal I/
a.
agreed to
31,686/. was granted to defray the salary and er
penses of the office of Paymaster-General. ' ,he
Onthe vote that 16,0681. be granted to defray' of
salaries and expenses 'of the offices of Comptroller
the Exchequer, Scp., -
Col. SIBTHORP gave notice that he would tecet
an early opportunity of• moving an address to Pi
Majesty for the removal of the Noble. Lord who
filled the office, and who was a mast useless officer'
(Great laughter.)—The vote 'was then agreed to. r
2,6081. was voted fur the expenses of the State rar:h
Office, after a short conversation, at the close of whits!
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that the most libe
facilities were grarited'td 'all persons who showed.'o
they.had a reasonable.Objeet for their curiosity, 5".,
as the publication of an historical work. the
A vote of 3,200/. was then.proposed to defray
expenses of Ecclesiastical Commissions for Euglao"d:
Mr. HUME thought this vote ought to be Wu?
out of the estimates. The Church had funds-enn° t
of its own, and he thought some of those funds oegef
to be appropriated to the payment of the expanses
these Commissions. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
this vote was for the payment of certain lay °Dicd
whose duty consisted in managing the Eccles'sti
Affairs of the country. . . •
The vote' was then agreed to.
A sum of 53,0001., to defray the expenses 0.; Ille
Poor-law Commissioners, was then proposed. ffe
Colonel SIBTHORP. objected to the vote.
thought the Poor-law Commissioners had done no gLe
whatever. The duties of the present Commilelo7o
might easily be performed by six Commissioners,. Commission
salary of 2,000/. per. annum each. He regrette°,o
the Government thought it wise to tread in the s,wot
of the late Government. That Government was /801
fond of jobbing, and the Poor-law Commission Betio
was ene of their jobs. He would be glad t0.5ee,,,,j,.
Board of Assistant-Commissioners entirely abolish
and he should therefore move that the vote be iedac
to 18,3341. 6s. 4d. •
Sir JAMES' GRAHAM said that, in the 1.0
1842, as compared with"the year 1841, a reducti,bo
had taken place in this, vote of 5,2331., and'.
present year, as compared with last year, the reds 0
tion was 1,5001. This- saving was mainly owing ""ef
reduction which had taken place in the number.
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Assistant-Commissioners. In England, the redne's,
had been from 13 to 9, and in Ireland from 11 te.,,,a
But while he made this statement he. would :rem'ess
the Committee that if the Poor-law Commission W.OO
to be continued• in an efficient state, the redact'
could not be carried farther. of
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the various boards of
guardians had set at defiance the rules and order' he
the Poor-law Commissioners. What therefore, jt
would ask, was the use of 'those Commissioners ?oe
was true that they had threatened to prosecate ;•0,
of the guardians who had refused to obey their oru.oe,
but they had never carried that threat into execatitio.
and the reason was, that they knew that na 101 l
would ever give a' verdict in favour of such inh° Sgt
rules as those. which the COmmissioners had if lot
for the guidance of the guirdians. He wouldtO
for a moment call the attention of the Committee
the travelling-expenses of these Commissioners• for
appeared that a sum of 8701. had been put &Ow,
travelling eXpenses. Now, he did not believe that 00
sum had ever been expended for such a purpose: 5010
hoped the Hon. and Gallant' Member for J-'
would persevere in his amendment. of
Cant. PECHELL core- dallied of isioo .to

,ap, the pen- ott,
certain persons who had been compelled to go.. sit
workhouses having been withheld from them f°'„alit
months after they left the workhouse. He thelhe
this was unjust, for he believed the law allowe,'the
Commissioners to stop the • pensions only while
pensioners remained in the workhouse. its to
Sir J. GRAHAM, said he was most ansnorf,
meet the views of the Hon. and Gallant hem of
as to retrenchment with respect to the expensiejbe
the Poor-law Commission, so far as they otl'Tbs
effected consistently with the efficiency of the law. tot
Hon. and Gallant Gentlemen must be aware_nero:
the law as it at present existed prevented spa
tion in the arrangements dictated by the rules
'jell
regulations of the Commissioners, except those WlO,l
were under local Acts. The subject of the Pe°l;hell
would be before the House in a short time, ,:tro'
several alterations and modifications would be i"101
duced. "With respect to expense of the .13(v OD'
Commission he had lessened the number of the —Alee
missioners. lie thought the vote could not be C' she
too large nor the numbers of those engaged 11P°11
Commission too many. eet
Captain PECHELL said, although he woule;
with a kindly spirit the amendments alluded
p—pai
the Right Hon. Gentleman, yet he should opP°s;, the
proposition that tended to give undue influence 1"
Commissioners.
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After a few words from Sir C. NAPIIIL Ana r
GRAHAM, the vote was agreed to.
ow 1,0
Upon the Vote being proposed, that the - g
01w
53,236/. be granted fiir defraying the expenses
Mint,

;044

Mr. EWART urged upon the House the nee.r`cole
of coins of a decimal character, being put into el-cote
tion; in the same manner as in France and other
tinental countries. the
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Mr. AGLIONBY said that two years toil
Government had announced the intention er ra-09
coins of the value of half a farthing. He sbetl,`
to know if such was their determination poi,' R did
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQu'"retlei
not think the introduction of a decimal
would be attended with the beneficial effects
to by Hon. Gentlemen opposite. „tila
Mr. ESCOTT thought a smaller coinage V,'"„,1110e"
exceedingly advantageous, particularly to theclasses. IP a
Mr. HUME was of a similar opinion•
been long urging the introduction of twoFel:_ijlso7
threepenny pieces. He still remained of tqc 000
opinion, and saw no reason why the Chancellor11ch or
Exchequer should not institute a coinage so 111 A
sired by the country.—The vote was agreed t°' vote'
The next vote was, that a sum of 13,467/. be ~ed IP
for the salaries and expenses of persons erlPlO
the Public Record-cffice.
After a few words from Colonel SIBTLIORr itn
HumE the vote was agreed to.
A vote of 9,7001. was next proposed to de,rl,,kill'
salaries and expenses 'of the Inspectors and °"1 "
ten.dents of Factories, Mines, and Collieries. two:
On a vote of 6,4241. being proposed to Paiuseholc'
larks of the officers and attendants. of the P°
a to
of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the eullivalPiclibl
,0;
" two gentlemen at large " the meaning of lie
preEsion ho did not understood.—(kbar')