The Sun.
London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 14, 1850.

that nothing could more clearly show the progress
that their sience—in the truth of which he had long
been convinced—was malting than the fact that the
Edinburgh Review, in an article upoes Mr. Cornewall
Lewis's work, on the influence of authority in the
formation of public opinion, had aevoted three or
four pages to the recognition of the la•uth of mesmeric
science.—(Hear, hear.) It was most important to
the spread of their science that medical men had re-
cently adopted various anesthetic agents for pro-
ducing insensibility to pain during the performance of
operations ; and he did not think they need look upon
them with any degree of jealousy as rivals to their
progress.—(Hear, hear.) Indeed, mesmerism might
be found peculiarly adapted to some constitutions,
while other anesthetic agents might be adapted to
other constitutions. He could not help feeling that
they ought to take some shame to themselves for not
having before put themselves into a position to have
the agency of mesmerism acknowledged by the me-
dical profession by the establishment of an institu-
tion of this description, and allowing the advantages
of the other anesthetic agents to be acknowledged,
while they were doing nothing. It was a most re-
markable circumstance in the history of all physiolo-
gical discoveries, however important, that they were
ignored for years until their importance forced them
upon public attention, and so it was with mesmerism
—it was undergoing the ordeal to which all great and
valuable truths were subjected, and he considered that
they had no reason to complain of it, as the import-
ance of their science must be ultimately acknow-
ledged and the truth prevail.—(Cheesy.) After again
urging upon the company the necessity of the insti-
tution strictly confining themselves to the use of mes-
merism as a curative operation and eschewing expe-
riments, the Hon. Member concluded by moving the
adoption of the rules.
The Rev. G. SANDBY seconded the resolution,
agreeing as he did with every word uttered, and the
recommendation given by 11r. Monckton Milnes.
He had had an opportunity of observing with his own
eyes the soothing effects and curative influences of
mesmerism, that he felt convinced that they had
only to be brought prominently under the notice of the
public, through the means of an hospital, to he ge-
nerally and fully acknowledged.—(Cheers.) It was
a most remarkable fact, and one of which they ought
to be ashamed, that the first Mesmeric Hospital had
not been established in civilised Europe—had nut
been established in the centre of this great metropolis
—had not been fostered in scientific society, but bad
been established in what Shakspere called " the
furthest steppes of India." He thought all honour
was due to 1)r. Eidaile, who had established that hos-
pital, and to the Governor-General end other Indian
authorities who had fostered it, it having proved
eminently successful in alleviating human pain. He
perfectly agreed with Mr. Monckton Milnes, in his
observations that the science had made and was making
great strides, as was proved by its being acknowledged
as a science by so important and cautious an authority
as the Edinburgh Review. That journal said that
after inquiry, no doubt " its errors, which probably
are many, will be separated from, what we may be
sure are also many, its truths." No doubt they
might have errors, as other sciences had in their in •
fancy, but Mr. Cornewall Lewis had called theirs a
" mock" science. It might be a " mock" science in
one respect, but that was that it " mocked " all the
ignorant attempts of their opponents to put it down.
—(Cheers and. laughter.) But the editor cf the
Edinburgh Review said, in speaking of the pheno-
mena of mesmerism, " No one can doubt that phe-
nomena like these deserve to be observed, recorded,
and encouraged ; and whether we call by the name
of mesmerism or by any other name, the science which
proposes to do this is a mere question of nomencla-
ture. Among those who profess this science there
may be careless observers, prejuJiced recorders, and
rash systematisers ; their errors arid defects may ha-
pede the progress of knowledge, but they will not
stop it; and we have no doubt that before the end
of the century the wonders which now perplex al-
most equally those who accept and those who re-
ject modern mesmerism, will be distributed into
defined classes and found subject to ascertained laws;
in other words, will become the subject of a science."
Now, that was just what they had been saying for
years, and it was to prove their science that their in-
firmary had been established.—(Hear, hear.) They
wished to extend the advantages of mesmerism to the
very poorest of their fellow-subjects, and to show to
the world the truth of their principles. He would
not further detain them, but second the resolution for
the confirmation of the rules of the society.
The resolution having been carried, Mr. Tubbs, of
Cambridge, Mr. Capern, of Tiverton, Mr. Smith, of
Greenwich Mr. Macdonald, Mr. Heath, and other
gentlemen addressed the meeting, and adduced in-
stances to show the advantages of mesmeric science,
the whole of them stating that they were originally
opposed to it until convinced by inquiry of its truth ;
and also detailed the difficulties they had had in pro-
mulgating it among society generally.
The committee for the ensuing year was appointed,
and thanks given to the medical officers, the com-
mittee, and the chairman, after which the meeting
separated.

PROFESSOR FARADAY'S LEC-
TURES ON DOMESTIC CHEMISTRY.
The third lecture of Professor Faraday's courae, at
the Royal Institution, on Saturday, was honoured by
the presence of Prince Albert, who occupied a chair
placed in front of the lecture table. Professor
Faraday commenced by addressing his Royal High-
ness, acquainting him that the subject of the
course was combustion as presented in its ordinary
forms, and that the particular branch of the subject
to be considered that day was "a lamp." lie first
explained the difference between a lamp and a candle,
the peculiarity of the latter consisting in its being
formed of solid fuel, which, before it is burned, is melted
by the heat evolved in a reservoir, beautifully formed
by the combined action of radiated heat, and the cool-
ing influence of the surrounding air which
keeps the edge of the reservoir bard, and enables
it to hold the melted wax or tallow. The imperfect
light which a common lamp usually gives in compari-
son with a candle was explained to be owing to the
thicker wick of the lamp, which produces a larger
flame than can be sufficiently supplied with air for
the perfect combustion of the carbon; hence the
smoke usually observed in the burning of an ordi•
nary lamp, and the larger the wick the more dull is
the flame. To overcome this defect in the combustion
of the carbon, Argand introduced a current of air
into the centre of the flame by employing a circular
wick, and though this produced a brighter flame, it
was not till a glass tube had been accidentally placed
over the flame that the full effects of his improved
arrangement were realised. The glass chimney
improves the brightness of the light, by causing a
current of air to impinge on the outside of the flame,
and thus to assist in the combustion of the solid par-
ticles of carbon liberated by the burning of the
hydrogen gas. Professor Faraday impressed on his
audience again and again that it is from the com-
bustion of the solid particles of carbon alone that the
light of flame is due, and to promote that combustion is
the great object to be attained in all lamp arrangements.
The supply of air may be too great as well as to little
for the combustion of the carbon, and several ex-
periments were shown to illustrate this fact, of which
the flickering of a gas flame exposed to a blast of air
is a common example. A very valuable application
of this property of flame has been made in the arts,
for by introducing a blast of air along with a jet of
coal gas, its illuminating power is destroyed, and. a
very great heat is obtained without smoke ;
in this manner the processes of annealing and sol-
dering silver and other metals are conducted with su-
perior advantages, as was shown by several experi-
ments. The beautiful effect of increasing the brilliancy
of flame by supplying it with oxygen gas, on the plan of
Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney, was exhibited ; as was the
still more brilliant effect of the Drummond light, pro-
duced by the incandescence of lime in a combined jet
of oxygen and hydrogen gases. The application of
lamps for lighthouses was dwelt upon by Professor
Faraday, who exhibited several kinds of lights
with reflectors and with concentric lenses, by means
of which a light may be seen at sea at a distance of
40 miles. When the light, concentrated by these re-
flectors and lenses, was thrown upon the company, it
was too bright to be looked at; and this dazzling effect
of light on the retina renders it insensible to the im-
pressions from other objects. To illustrate this, the
flame from a batswing gas-burner was held before an
engraving, which was concealed from view in all
parts where the flame interposed, but when the picture
was illuminated by an electric light those portions ( f
the picture which before were concealed, became vi-
sible through the gas-flame. The flame of a lamp or
candle is in fact transparent, but it prevents the rays
cf light passing through it by making an overpowering
impression on the eye by its own superior brilliancy,
when, however, the rays from other objects are brighter
than the flame, they may be seen through it, as may
be readily proved by looking at a sun-lighted
object through the flame of a candle. This consi-
deration of the effect cf. bright light in deadening
the impression of other objects leads to the practical
result, as Professor Faraday observed, that in light-
ing a large room it is much better to have a number
of small lights in different parts than to have one
strong concentrated light. The subject of lamps was
appropriately brought to a close with a notice of the
safety-lamp, invented by Sir Humphery Davy, whose
experiments on the properties of flame which led to
the invention, were carried on at the Royal Institu-
tion. One of the steel mills which were previously
used in explosive mines was exhibited. It is a con-
trivance by means of which a rotating piece of steel
continually strikes against flint, and the light thus
afforded was the only one which miners durst employ in
dangerous parts until Sir Humphrey Davy discovered
that flame will not pass through wire gauze, and that
by covering a lamp with such a screen it may be
introduced without danger into the most explosive
atmosphere. The effect of the wire gauze was ex-
hibited by putting a lighted safety lamp into a glass
vessel filled with the vapour of ether, when the light,
though apparently extinguished, was restored by
withdrawing the lamp from the vessel. In an at-
mosphere containing too little oxygen gas to support
combustion, the light may still be continued by the
incandescence of a piece of platinum placed near the
wick. The lecture was throughout listened to with
the most complimentary attention by a full audience.

[The following appeared in our Third Edition of
last night :—]

FRANCE.

The Government has received dispatches from the
Governor of Senegal, dated the 16th of March, an-
nouncing the satisfactory termination of the differ-
ences with the Trazzas, who had given guarantees of
friendship and peace after having experienced several
defeats.

ANOTHER STEAM-BOAT ACCI

DENT IN AMERICA.
From the latest American journals that have come
to hand we transcribe the following painful narra-
tive :

CINCINNATI, APRIL 23.—The Ohio river has again
been the scene of a most dreadful and heartrending
catastrophe, and (with the exception of the explosion
of the steamer Moselle at this port) the most fatal
that has ever occurred in this section of the country.
Annexed are the particulars, so far as ascertained.
This morning the steam-boat Belle of the West,
while on her way down the Ohio, one mile below
Warsaw, Ky., caught fire, and was almost wholly
consumed, together with everything on board. All
efforts to check the flames proved unavailing. She had
on board, when she left Cincinnati, a great number of
emigrants bound for California, about one hundred
of whom are supposed to have either been drowned
or burned to death. So sudden and overwhelming
were the rush of the flames, that escape seemed
utterly impossible. The officers and crew of the
vessel preserved their lives by jumping overboard and
swimming ashore. The scene is described as having
been one of the most truly agonising ever witnessed.
The few who were saved had left here in company
with their boyhood and bosom friends—friends
whose interests were blended into one—for the land of
golden promise. But, instead of realising their bright
anticipations, they were now called upon to gaze in
horror at the burnt and mangled remains of those
who were to them as brothers. But what was still
more deplorable, if possible there were a great
number of families on board who were emigrating to
the luxuriant prairies of the \Vest. Of those
who had been rescued were wives and husbands,
parents and children, all standing upon the
shore in their night-clothes, and bewailing the loss of
their nearest and dearest kindred on earth; while
ever and anon the glare of the fire from the boat, or
the flicker of a torch on the land, would reveal the
charred corpse of some unfortunate victim as it
floated in the stream. The Belle of the West was
bound to St. Louis, and was insured at Cincinnati for
8,000 dollars.

The Algiers journals of the sth contain ac-
counts of a deplorable disaster which took place
there on the preceding day. Arrrangements had
been made by the engineers charged to conduct
the works of the port, to remove a vast quantity of
rock by means of a charge of 3,800 kilogrammes
(nearly 4 tons English) of gunpowder, placed in two
mines ; and a large crowd of persons assembled to wit-
ness the spectacle. Instead, however, of the mine ex-
ploding, as on a previous occasion, in such a way as to
cause the rock to slip in a mass, it scattered it in a
thousand pieces in all directions. The fragments flew
among the crowd, killing some persons and seriously
injuring others. Some of the pieces of stone were
carried to an extraordinary distance, and with great
violence. The panic which this occasioned is inde-
scribable. When the first confusion had subsided, it
was ascertained that eight persons had been killed,
among them M. Jourdan, Juge d'lnstruction.
The body of this unfortunate gentleman was
literally cut in two. The number of wounded
was 21, and among them was M. Valein,
Councillor of the Prefecture, who had been
charged to represent the Prefect. Many of the per-
sons injured had broken arms and legs; one of them,
a grocer, had to undergo amputation of both legs. In
consequence of this misfortune, the rejoicings which
had been intended to take place t) commemorate the
proclamation of the Republic were abandoned. The
Governor-General ad interim (General Pelissier)
and the Prefect did everything that humanity could
suggest for the sufferers, and visited the wounded in
the hospitals. They were admirably seconded by the
clergy, and the civil and military authorities. In
compliance with the wishes of the Governor-General,
a solemn mass for the dead was celebrated in the
Cathedral, and it was attended by all the func-
tionaries.

THE OVERLAND JOURNEY
THROUGH EGYPT.
The fallowing letter has been received in reply to
a complaint addressed to her Majesty's Consul in
Egypt regarding the defective arrangements of the
Transit Administration :

officers AIA D rosfotNh,e Is ANOTHER ACCOUNT.
ImerA APRIL
isPcitonthsin2,3a, 1850.—From NteDaAN
of the burning of the Belle of the
the following :_.... West, we gather
About half an hour after midnight this morning
the steamer was discovered on fire in the
hold, and was immediately run ashore, near
Warsaw, and made fast. Up to this period the
flames bad not yet burst forth, and the after batch
was opened for the purpose of getting water into the
hold, but such was the rapid headway of the flames,
that all efforts to check them proved wholly fruitless,
and in a few minutes the entire boat was a mass of
fire. The total number of passengers on board was
about 300, among whom were two California com-
panies, and twenty families, who were removing to
the west. From the register it is ascertained that
over 60 have perished, and the probability is that
many have been lost whose names were not enrolled
therein. Such was the rapid progress of the fire,
that before the passengers could get out of
their state-rooms, after the first alarm, all commu-
nication between the after cabin and the forward part
of the boat was cut off, and every one was com-
pelled to jump into the water, or perish in the flames.
At the time of the deck falling in, 4 lady and gentle-
man, with a child in his arms, were standing between
the chimneys. There were also on board a large
number of horses, which were mostly all burned to
death, and those that were not, were so badly burnt
that they were obliged to be killed to put them out
of their misery.

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your complaint, with a view to taking efficient measures
for the prevention of similar inconvenience in future.
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ing that ho is anxiously desirous of doing all in his
power to increase and extend the facilities for our
Anglo-Indian intercourse ; and, after a residence of
three years in this country, I can myself bear witness
to the great improvements which the zeal and energy
of his Highness have effected in this important service.
" I have the honour to be, Sir,
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companied by the Countess de Vins de Pr of
de Boismilon, paid a long visit on MondeaTnetaon the Exposi-
tion of French Industry, in George-street
The august visitors were received by Monsieur
explanations,
further settlement de Lamornaix, who afforded the necessary
which appeared to recal the pleasurable recollectipona
contributories NORTHERN COAL AND 21INING. COMPANY.-011
Friday the Master in Chancery (Blunt) proceeded with the
by Mr. Qui4.er,
expositions in Paris, in which her Royal Highness alwaysthe of this company's affairs and of the list of
100,0001. The iashtee
took so vivid an interest, and where her great delight liablet to defray the outstanding debts, reported
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daughter of James Cromer, of Farrington, whose extraordi• feet high ate e shoulder, iseoais7—"The animal stands six
nary condition was noticed in our I,ist, spoke on Tuesday estimated bthe ordinary measurement very great depth of rib, and
last for the first time for upwards of thirteen years ; her first , to weigh about 80 tron stones, andr
etmoefntdof competent judges
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girl immediately repeated the Lord's Prayer. Extreme i reach 120. He has a very small head, is Le may even
lively eye, •
weakness prevented her from articulating many words in tenance, and remarkably docile. Notwithstanding his
suc • uppos2d to have un- weight, he has leaped over five-feet great
cession •• cramp and convulsions are sup• . gates apparently with
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, May 13.
Their Lordships met at Five o'clock.
PETITIONS.
. .

Petitions were presented against Sunday labour in
the Post-office from Portobello, Musselburgh, and other
places in Scotland.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition in favour of
sanitary improvement. The Noble and Learned Lord
presented a petition from Christchurch in favour of
secular education ; also a petition from Wor-
cester in favour of the Copyhold Enfranchisement
Bill, and similar petitions from a place iu Essex
and from the parish of St. Pancras; also petitions from
Fermanagh and other places in favour of the extension of
the jurisdiction of county courts; also a number of peti•
tions in favour of agricultural protection; also petitions
from the Liverpool Law Society and the Bristol Law
Association praying fur the amendment of the law of
debtor and creditor; and six petitions in favour of the
claims of assistant-surgeons in the navy, one of which
was from the professors of London University College.
THE UNIVERSITIES.
The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD, after presenting the
previous petitions, took the opportunity of deprecating
any change in the existing university system for any
Germanic or foreign system.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said the university
with which he was connected was anxious to make
whatever improvements that could be safely introduced
intoits system; but certainly this was the first
time that he had heard any mention of the
proposed introduction of Germanic principles to which
the Noble and Learned Lord had just referred. The
governing bodies of the two universities were bound to
maintain the rights and statutes of their institutions
as by law established; and he did hope, as there were
so many branches of society interested in the mainte-
nance of the universities as they now exist, that they
would not be forced into any inquiry which might
satisfy a clamour out of doors, but could lead to no good
results.—(Hear, hear.)
AFFAIRS OF GREECE.
Lord STANLEY observed that, since they last met,
news had reached this country informing them that the
French Minister, who had been dispatched from France
to adjust the dispute between this country and Greece,
had withdrawn from Greece, and the dispute was
ultimately settled by a recourse to coercive mea-
sures oa the part of this nation. He hoped,
now that the matter was settled, the Government would
have no objection to lay on the table of the House all
the papers relating to it, and to the interference of the
French Government.--(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said they certainly
should, and in making this reply he might be allowed to
state that Mr.Wy se had acted throughout in strict accord •
ante with instructions from home,but the moment the Greek
Government showed a disposition to negotiate a settle-
ment of the dispute, Mr. Wyse immediately relaxed
hostilities, which were only had recourse to for the pur-
pose of establishing a great international principle.
£he whole conduct of Mr. Wyse had been strictly
approved of by her Majesty's Government, and
although in the end a bombardment was
resorted to under the direction of Mr. Wyse, acting
upon his instructions, he could assure their Lordships
that the arrangement that was ultimately arrived at
varied but little from that proposed by France, though it
was more favourable to Greece.—(Cheers.) He had
only to add, that it was the earnest hope of her Majes-
,ty's Government that this dispute would teach Greece
that she had no right to make her weakness a pretence for
resis:ing the fulfilment of treaties which her Government
might have entered into finally and honourably with her
powerful allies.—(Cheers.)
Lord STANLEY trusted the papers would bear out
the Noble Marquis's statement, but he was as yet nut
disposed to absolve the Government from all blame in the
matter.—(Hear, hear.)
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wLoutiNbSeDirreNjEustsounggheisstepd to
part if
tihe
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were t) suspend his judgment till the papers were before
him.—(Hear, heir.)
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH SPAIN.

The Marquis of LANSDONV.NE then laid before their
Lordships papers which he was satisfied would be highly
acceptable t) the Noble Lord who had just qu,,stioned
him upon the affairs of Greece. These papers related
to the renewal of diplomatic relations between this
c. untry and Spain.—(Cheers.)
The papers were ordered to lie upon the table.
CATHOLIC CLERGY.

Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 13.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time, and
passed:—
Dublin, Dundrum, and Rathfarnham Railway (exten-
sion or revival of powers for the purchase of lands
and completion of IN orks, amendment or repeal of
Acts).
Forth and Clyde Navigation.
London and Blackwall Railway.
Waterford and Limerick Railway.
York and North Midland Railway.
The amendments to the following Bills were considered
and agreed to:—
Daidon (City) Improvements.
Peterborough Improvement, Police, and Cemetery, &c. •
SECOND READINGS.

The Birmingham and Pershore Road Bill was read a
second time and order. d to be committed
PETITIONS.
Colonel SIBTHORP presented a petition from Lin-
colnshire in favour of agricultural protection.
Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition from the Uni-
versity of Glasgow against the Marriage Bill.
Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from va-
rious metropolitan parishes in favour of the Inter-
ment Bill.
Mr. COWAN presented a petition from a place in
Scotland against the Public Health Bill, and another
petition praying fir the amendment of the poor-laws re-
lating to Scotland.
Mr. DUNCAN presented two petitions against the
Marriage Bill.
Mr. REYNOLDS presented four petitions from Dub-
lin, praying the House to abolish the city attachment
system; also a petition from the same place pre) ing
for the abolition of annual vestries in Protestant
churches; also a petition from the spirit dealers of
Dublin praying to be placed on the same footing with
the producers of colonial spirits; and a petition from
the pawnbrokers of Dublin praying to be relieved from
some of the taxes which peculiarly pressed upon them.
Lord JOHN CHICHESTER presented a petition
praying the House to take more effective steps for the
suppression of the slave trade.
Mr. ELLIOT presented a petition from a place in
Scotland against the Marriage Bill.
Several petitions were presented against Sunday la-
bour in the Post-office.
Mr. HODGSON presented a petition from the factory
workers of the county of Cumberland in favour of a ten
hours Bill.
Mr. F. MACKENZIE presented a petition from
Peebles against the Public Health (Scotland) Bill ; also
a petition against the Marriage Bill.
Sir J. WALMSLEY presented a petition from a place
n Norfolk praying for the repeal of the malt tax.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from an individual
named Shillibeer complaining of the excessive duty im-
posed on horses used in hearses.
Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition pray-
ing for a repeal of the duty on funeral carriages.
M. J. B. SMITH presented a petition from Kilmar-
nock against the Public Health (Scotland) Bill.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR presented a petition from Bo:ton
in favour of the Ten Hours Act.
Sir G. STRICKLAND presented 17 petitions from
Preston in favour of the Ten Hours Act.
Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from Lan-
caster against a clause in the Highway Act.
Mr. M UNTZ presented a petition from the congrega-
tion in Zion Chapel, Tipton, Staffordshire, praying for
a national disarmament.
Mr. M. GIBSON presented numerous petitions from
Sunday-school teachers and Dissenting congregations in
Manchester, Preston, and other places in Lancashire, to
the same effect; also a petition from the Manchester
Chamber of Commerce, calling the attention of the
House to an Act of the British Legislature called the
Brazilian Act, which was said to make the subjects of
the Emperor of Brazil liable to the laws of this realm
with reference to the slave trade, and praying the House
to cease to assume jurisdiction over the subjects of Brazil.
The Earl of MARCH presented petitions from Man-
chester and Salford against the relay system in factories.
Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions from places in Lan-
cashire in favour of the Ten Hours Bill; also a petition
from Dorset against church-rates; and a petition from a
place in Lancashire against the Established Church.
Mr. COCKBURN presented a petition from a place
in the county of Kilkenny praying for further church
accommodation for Roman Catholics in that county.
Mr. C. PEARSON presented a great number of pe-
titions from the metropolitan districts against Sunday
labour in the Post-office; also four petitions against in-
tramural interments.
Mr. MACKINNON also presented several petitions
against intramural interments.
Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from Brighton
in favour of the Secular Education Bill.
Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition to a similar
effect.
Mr. R. PALMER presented a petition against the
Marriage Bill.

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented a petition
from the board of guardians of the union of Thomas-
town, in Ireland, praying for a provision for the Roman
Catholic clergy. The petitioners called the attention of
their Lordships to the state of the ecclesiastical revenues
—the incomes enjoyed by the clergy of the Established
Church—the cost of church building where not more
than sixty persons attended Divine service, whilst the
Roman Catholic chapel at Thomastown was insufficient
for the accommodation cf the numbers who attended.
The petitioners reminded their Lordships that though
Parliament had at different times granted large sums of
money for th 3 purpose of extending church accommoda-
tion in England and Wales, and even in the Highlands
of Scotland, yet not a single farthing had ever been given
for the Church accommodation of the Roman Catholic
people of Ireland. The petitioners then remarked, that
though they were on friendly terms with the rector, who
had acted with humanity during the famine, and als3
with their Protestant neighbours, yet they implored
their Lordships' assent to any measure which would
give a provision to the Roman Catholic Church, that
would not connect that Church with the State. The
petitioners declared that, without desiring to injure
vested rights, they prayed that the surplus revenues of
the Protestant Church might be applied for the purpose
of extending usefully and particularly for increasing
church accommodation for the Roman Catholics of Ire-
land. He differed from the petitioners in this prayer.
He thought that if there were a surplus of funds from
the Church of Ireland, the Church in this country would
have the first claim on it. He considered the united
Chusathes as one. If, then, there should be a Parliamen-
tary provision for the Roman Catholics, that aid to be
so given to the Roman Catholic Church ought not to be
taken from the Church of England. Ile was satisfied
that any such suggestion from those favourable to
such a provision for the Roman Catholic clergy, would
throw back the plan to a hopeless distance of time. In
this country there was a strength of Protestant feel-
ing which could at any time be aroused to protect the
Church from injury or offence. In accordance with that
feeling no boon would be conceded to the Roman Ca-
tholic Church, however reasonable, which involved either
injury or offence to the Protestant Established Church.
He concurred with the prayer of the petitioners, that
there should be no connexion between their Church and
the State; and he must say that he felt assured that it
would be found inconvenient to a Protestant state itself
to interfere with the patronage of a Roman Catholic
Church, whilst its doing so would create in the Protes-
tant mind of this country the strongest feelings of pre-
judice. He considered no object could be of more im-
portance than the improvement of the moral and social
condition of Ireland, and that a good feeling might
be created by finding the State anxious to improve
their places of worship.—(Hear, hear.) The funds
for such a purpose might be found in the sums to be
repaid to the Imperial Treasury by Ireland, and which
formed the substance of a Bill to bo read a second
time that night. lie could not imagine any source
from which the funds might be more fitly ,drawn. He
would be glad to see these sums applied to Church ac-
commodation for the Roman Cathclics, and if there
were any sum beyond this, then to the building of glebe
houses for the Catholic clergy—and then, undoubtedly,
if there were funds, topurchase lands by which the clergy
of the Roma,a Catholic Church might be endowed ; and
remembering the considerable quantity of land for sale
under the Encumbered Estates Act, he thought the ob-
ject might be readily effected. With these observations
he presented the petition entrusted to him.
Lord REDESDALE expressed his regret that this
subject had been mooted, as it was calculated to lead to
much excitement and controversy.
MASTERS' JURISDICTION IN EQUITY BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM postponed the Committee on
this Bill to that day fortnight.
DISTRESSED UNIONS ADVANCES AND RE-
PAYMENT OF ADVANCES (IRELAND) BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the second
reading of this Bill. He did not, he said, expect any
opposition to the principles or the details of the Bill. He
then entered into an explanation of the measure, which
proposed to advance 300,000/. a year, to be expended in
the distressed unions, and consolidated all the debts due
from the unions, and extended the period of repayment
to forty years. He stated that in consequence of the in-
crease of accommodation in the workhouses, there was
one-third less receiving relief up to the 31st of March
this year, as compared with the return up to the 31st
tohfeMßailri.
c 1; last year. He moved
po stheske second o ni
n a low n
d reading
tone
ofe
The Earl of GLENGALL who
of voice, was understood to say that this Bill gave
greater powers to the Government than any he had ever
seen. The Noble Lord threw out suggestions for the
improvement of the Bill, which he would state more fully
in Committee.
The Duke of LEINSTER expressed his satisfaction at
finding powers given in the Billto enforce these rates.
In the union of Celbridge, with which he was connected,
he believed that they were very well able to pay, and he
had been constantly out-voted in his efforts to get these
rates paid.
The Earl of 1110UNTCASIIEL said that Celbridge
was one of the best unions in Ireland. The pauper po-
pulation was very small, the land was very productive,
and near the best market in the country. But in the
south and west of Ireland the unions were in a much
worse condition, and of greater magnitude. Serious
evils might be created there, if the powers under this
Bill were fully put in force. He trusted that some
measures would be taken in order to protect particular
unions from falling into utter ruin, and to assist them
to extricate themselves from the evils to which they
were exposed.
The Earl of WICKLOW was given to understaud
that this was one of the most arbitrary measures
that the Government had passed for Lreland, for it gave
them power to enforce any or the whole portion of this
money from any electoral union they pleased. He was
sure that the Bill had been framed in the best and
most humane spirit; but that, be believed, was not the
opinion of the guardians of the different unions in Ire-
land. He thought that there ought to be a provision in-
troduced into it, which would have the effect of prevent-
iug the raising of say money under this Bill under a
certain per tentage, as otherwise it would have the effect
of completely detesting all the advantages that might be
expected to arise from the sales of property under the
Encumb?red Estates Bill.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that power was
vested in the Treasury to enable the el to stipulete f a the
distribution of the burd,n t.quall•i. This Lila dal no:
contain any power in respect to this point which the
Treasury did not possess at .present, The Treaaary had

ABOLITION OF THE YEOMANRY.
Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that, shortly after
the Whitsuntide holidays, he should move a resolution
to the effect that it was expedient that the yeomanry
force of Great Britain and Ireland should be disarmed
and abolished.--(Laughter.)
EXTRAMURAL INTERMENTS.
Mr. LUSHINGTON gave notice of an amendment to
the Extramural Interments Bill respecting the appoint-
ment of incumbents.

ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.
Sir B. lIALL gave notice that he would put a ques-
tion to the Noble Lord (L,)rd John Russell) respecting
certain advances which had been made by the Ecclesias-
tical Commissioners to the Bishop of Exeter for the re•
building or repair of his residence; also, when the Com-
mission intended to make their ❑ext report to the House.
CORN AVERAGES.
In reply to the Earl of MARCH,
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the present system on
which the corn averages were obtained precluded their
being correct, and that it was impossible to improve
that system without going to great expense, and
baying machinery expressly for the purpose ; but
if the Noble Earl, or any other gentle-
man connectei with the agricultural interest, could
show any better mode of obtaining more correct averages,
he should be happy to give it his best consideration.
MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.

In reply to Mr. BOUVERIE,
Mr. LABOUCHERE also stated that he intended to
take the second reading of this Bill on Thursday, the 6th
of June.

MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
The RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN also stated, in reply to
Mr. Clements, that he intended to postpone the Com-
mittee on this Bill until Friday week.
IRISH FISHERIES. _
_ _

Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that on Thursday next he
should move fur leave to bring in a Bill relating to the
illegality of nets in the Irish fisheries.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE OVER WED-

NESDAY.
Mr. CAYLEY asked the Noble Lord at the head of
the Government if there was any urgent reason why the
House should adjourn over Wednesday?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Queen's birthday
would be celebrated on Wednesday, and he believed it
would be without precedent for the House to meet on
that day?
THE CLERIC IN THE IRISH SECRETARY'S
OFFICE.
Mr. B. OSBORNE asked what course the Irish Go-
vernment had pursued with reference to the clerk in
the Irish Secretary's-office who had run away, end
whether they had advertised him in the Hue and Cry?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood to sa' there
had been an inquiry into the accounts of the individual
who had absconded, but he could not say that he had
been advertised in the Hue and Cry.
Mr. B. OSBORNE—He has not.—(Laughter.)
Mr. GOULBURN asked the St cretstry of Ireland, if
the clerk, who had absconded, was not the individual
who gave evidence before the Irish Marriage Comteis-
sion, and stated the willingness of the Irish Presby-
terians to accede to the Bill.—(Laughter.)
Sir W. Somerville made no reply.
AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL.
Mr. W. GLA DS I ONE rwe 0) lump-, fri an amend-
went thu tiat..titm that the Autil•alian

vernment Bill be read the third tame, the folio wingre;;-
lution :-66 That this House, adverting to the numerous

provisions of the Australian Colonies Government Bill,
which require the interference of the authorities at home in
the future regulation of the affairs of those colonies, and
desirous to reduce as far as possible the occasions for
such interference, and to place the political institutions
(4' the said colonies upon the basis most likely to be per-
manent, will not give its further sanction to that Bill,
, until there shall have been afforded to the governors,
I legislatures, and people of the said colonies an op-
portunity of considering the • provisions of the
measure as they stand, in conjurietion with the several
proposals varying from them which have been submitted
to the notice of the House." If the foregoing resolution
be adopted, then to move, " That it is expedient to make
provision, by an Act to be passed during the present
session of Parliament, for securing to the inhabitants of
the district of Port Philip, in the colony of New South
Wales, the application of the revenues proceeding
from that district to its own purposes exclusively."
He was very sensible that it was an invidious task to
propose to the House to retard even for a moment the
passing of a measure which had for a portion of its
objects to confer franchises and representative institu-
tions on some of our fellow-.subjects who did not now
enjoy that advantage. But, at the same time, he feared
lest in this Bill they found a new exemplification of the
truth of the old adage, " the more haste the worse
speed." The legislation which they were now called on
to sanction had been hasty and crude; and he thought.
they should not only best discharge their duty
on general grounds; but save their time, by
postponing this measure until the feelings of
the colonists could be ascertained respecting it.
It was impossible to overrate the importance of the
duty in which Parliament was engaged in constituting
laws for the colonies. The institutions which the) might
now give to them might perhaps influence their exist-
ence for future ages. He aid not say that they %outd
never hear of the colonies again in that House,. that
they had now to pass a final measure with regard to them.
It was their duty, however, to take care that the consti-
tution which they established was in conformity with
the wishes of the colonists—that it was a constitution
the best which they could pass in accordance with the
wishes of the colonists. This was the first year
in which they had had an opportunity of con-
sidering the relations of anything more than a
mere temporary measure. They had no proof
that this measure was iu conformity with the wishes of
the colonists, but, on the contrary, they had a proof that
it was in direct opposition to them, and he thought that
the colonists had a perfect right to say, Give us consti-
tutions which have received the full approbation of Par-
liament. When the people of South Australia received
a constitution they expressed their thankfulness for the
measure. But they must recollect that the
persons who had expressed their thankfulness
were persons who had never been in the enjoy-
ment of any representative Government whatever.
The opinions of the colonists, wherever they had been
declared, were at variance with the Bill, because they
wished the institutions of the colony to resemble as
nearly as possible those of the mother country, and
the Bill• did not provide them with such institutions.
However, a great change had taken place in the
views of the Government within the last few
months. They had lately made the important announce-
ment that they were ready to give the Cape of Good
Hope a second legislative chamber on the basis of a re-
presentative principle, and the disclosure was so novel,
and would produce such an electric effect wherever
it spread, that the colonists of New South
Wales would soon show their dissatisfaction,
when they found that the same privilege had nut been
conceded to them. There were fear points of view in
which he objected to the present measure. First,
because it required the constant interference and review
by the authorities at home in the future managemeot of
the lewd affairs of the colony; secondly, because it pro-
vided that on the requisition of any two of the five
colonies a general assembly might be appointed to
override the acts of a separate colony; thirdly, because
the great work of legislation was confided to a single
chamber, especially when composed like the one at pre-
sent in existence; and fourthly, because it did not
deal with the elective franchise of the colony.
With respect to the veto-on the colonial legislation he
had been so far deluded as to think that that veto was
iu some manner necessary to secure unilormity of legis-
lation. It was the reservation of that veto on colonial
legislation, in connexion with other circumstances, that
entailed on the House the whole of their present respon-
sibilities with regard to the internal government of
the colonies; and the House would never te able to
diminish the extravagant expenses in the Colonial-office
until they adopted more rational principles of freedom
in the management of the internal affairs of the colonies.
What was the reason fur retaining that veto? Had it
the advantage of giving uniformity to the system oflaws
throughout the colony ? No such thing. There were
many laws in most of the colonies totally different from
the laws which prevailed in England. It would have
this effect also, that it would make the law for a con-
siderable time uncertain. For twelve or eighteen
months or two years after the law had passed,
no man could tell whether it was really the law or not.
Surely that was an evil of the most serious kind. They
never could separate the rights of freemen from their
responsibilities; they never could take away from them
their responsibilities without taking away from them
their rights too.—(Hear, hear.) They never would
have had that masculine blood intused into their Ame-
rican colonists which prevailed if they had recognised
such a principle. Let, then, the colonists be really
responsible for the details of their own laws. What
imaginable reason could there be for making ours
a rule for them?—(Hear, hear.) He would venture to
state to the House that this system of inter-
ference with colonial laws was one which would
be productive of most vexatious results.—(Hear, hear.)
There was one reason why be could not dismiss from
his mind that there were cases in which they might
feel it necessary not to interfere with the measures
of the colonists. He could refer to two instances of
this ; first, in the case of the Canada Rebellion
Act. He did not think that the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government would have the courage to pro-
pose any such measure as had been proposed in the
Canadian Legislature, to compensate them for losses
which they had sustained while in arms against her
Majesty's Government. The next was in an Act
passed this year, by which the King's Col-
lege had been transformed into Toronto University.
He was entirely opposed to the power given to this country
to review the local legislation of the colony, and hoped the
House would not give its sanction to it without further
consideration. He also objected to the clauses
which provided for the appointment of a
general assembly at the request of two out
of five of the colonies. That was utterly
repugnant-to the wishes of the colonists, and he believed
that not a single petition had teen presented to the
House in favour of such a principle. The clauses
had no doubt been inserted on the precedent afforded
us by the United States; but the position which
that country occupied was vastly different to our
colonies. The United States confederated together—
they had the strongest political necessity for so doing—
because they knew they were open to the assaults of she
great powers of Europe—England, France, Holland,
and Spain. But was that the case of the Australian co-
lonies? The five colonies were geographically separated
—only two were connected together. They were like
ribbons along the coast, separated by vast and impas-
sible deserts and by the sea—they had neither commu-
nity of interest nor feeling, which made it desirable for
them to combine. With regard, however, to North
America, there were many reasons why it might be ad-
vantageous to have a different system. The problem,
he admitted, was a difficult one, but he did not say Go-
vernment were not, on that account, to attempt to solve
it, and te determine how far the power of a general as-
sembly was to be limited by local rights on the one hand,
by Parliament on the other. With reference to the debate
which had taken place on the question of a single or
double chamber—all the reason of the case and all the
conviction of the House were its favour of a double chain
ber. . The question was decided by that 'House, not
with reference to its own merits and the weight of autho-
rities, but with reference to political interests and the
division of parties at home.—(Hear.) If it were pos-
sible to separate the questions he believed a different re-
sult would be arrived at. He was not making any charge
against the Administration, he was only endeavouring to
show that what had taken place in this matter had
arisen out of the political opposition of party. Every
authority was against that which they were going to do.
Why were they going to give Australia a single cham-
ber? He did not blame the Act of 1842; there wete
reasons existing which justified it. It was an experi-
ment—but it was quite wrong to come to the conclusion
that the experiment had answered, and to proceed on
that belief that they must give all the Australian tole
vies larger political institutions. If so, and if the pre-
,nt constitution was bad as an experiment, why were-
they going to extend the mischief? Sir W. Denison
said that a single house or legislative body would not be
approved of or work well. They were now going to
give a single legislative chamber to the colonies.
lie would ask, what was the position of the nominated
members? Did they enjoy the respect or confidence of
their colleagues? Were they looked upon as ptirties
likely to give an independent vote, or were they regarded
as the tools and slaves of Government? They were
looked upon as the tools and slaves of Government.—
(Hear, hear.) In the discharge of' their legislative
functions they were regarded as having no will or con-
science of their own, but were merely tho blind instru-
ments of the will of another.—(Hear.) Why should
such a system be continued? The clauses which were
assumed to give the colonies the right of self-manage-
ment were mere wind and paper, while they kept in
their hands the power ti check and control the colonial
wishes. He did not think the composition of the legis-
lative system of New South Wales was looked upon
with such respect as to make it advisable to adopt it in
other colonies. It was not the ideal standard for colonies.
He would not go into the question of the want of materials
for a double.chamber. If there were no materials—that
even would be no answer to the claim, and no valid reason
why it should be denied. He would ask the House to
look to the cradle of European constitutions. It was
true that in the first instances the Saxon and Anglo-
Saxon constitutions had only a single chamber, but there
was always the germ of a double chamber in them.—
(Hear, hear.) He would ask :what they proposed to do
with the wild lands? It appeared from the Bill, they
intended not to give the Legislative Council the control
of these lands, because they were afraid such a power
would be turned to personal purposes The proper cure
for*this fear would tbe to have two chambers, and thus a
watch and check upon irregularity would be ensured.
The opinion of Mr. Madison was confirmatory of this
view. He did not say it was the business of Parliament
to form a double chamber ler the population c f Aus-
tralia. They hal better leave the matter to the colonists.
It would be better to take a defective constitution from
the colonists . let thorn work ‘)ur. their tv.,11 01,14
thecn9elv(-s, ..'r

the power already of requiring repayment of this money
if they were inclined to act up to the letter of that law
which was in face for the last two years. It was not
advisable that the unions should be afforded a facility for
delay. The Treasury had not any power under this Bill
which they did not deem indispensable in enabling them
to exercise a useful discretion. As to pressing with un-
due severity upon any particular unions, or requiring
them to meet these burdens in one, two, or three years,
instead of 40, ❑othing could be further from the inten-
tions of the Government. The Bill had been framed
with great anxiety and with a disposition to treat Ire-
land with the greatest leniency and kindness.—( Hear.)
The Marquis of WESTMEATH objected to the mea-
sure fur conferring such arbitrary power upon the Poor-
law Commissioners. The Poor-law Commissioners, in
their absence, might delegate their powers to their se-
cretary. He deprecated conferring such dangerous
power upon those Commissioners.

Lord BEAUMONT said that the Bill appeared to be
greatly misunderstood by some Noble Lords. The mea-
sure conferred no more power upon the Government or
Treasury than they at present possessed. The Treasury,
under this Bill, would merely have a wider discretion
than they had before in giving these different unions a
greater length of time for the repayment of these ad-
vances, and to pay in such proportions as existing cir-
cumstances would justify.
Lord REDE ALE was surprised at such a power
being given to the Treasury as this Bill conferred—a power
that might be managed to a most dangerous extent in re-
ference to elections.—("Hear, hear," from Lord Stanley.)
For, supposing that a certain union owed a considerable
debt and that the Commissioners a short time before an
election was to take place demanded payment of the
money, a certain candidate in favour with the Govern-
ment, might have it in his power to obtain good terms
for the union, and then might come before the consti-
tuents with superior advantages, and obtai❑ his election
in consequence. That was a must dangerous and uncon-
stitutional power to be vested in the Treasury. He did
not mean to say that, in the present case, any undue in-
fluence would be used in reference to elections; but he
thought it was not a fitting power for Parliament to
place in the hands of any Treasury, whatever confidence
they might have in the Government. He hoped that
some Parliamentary security would be required against
the improper exercise of this power.
After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL,
the Bill was read a second time.

On the motion of the Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE,
the Parliamentary Voters (Irehnd) Bill was read a
first time.

I 1 efil

ed:: a

one at oar dicralon. Bat what he tn.r.t conapkiti.d
of was, they were going to f rre.i this 83 stem
the colonists without consulting them, or acceding to

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t° itS
their expressed wishes. They were g-d deg ty
Cape of Good Hope a double chamber an
sold
Australia. He wished all that hatlAubeenass, std
.17,0
subject in that House to go out to -basin ftota r
the Bill be deferred, and the House a wens 1,
their votes until the opinions of the cololusZnese,,,
twined. The next point was as to thenSeo,seadst,,
New South Wales there was a populetoei"are. Dy
which were about to be affected by this re t n otreodeel',
op, ration of tide measure they would it tesseb°,ool,
narrow franohi,e. They would not a( tat here aus e
or stockholders, and by requiring a mans lusele ets-
ot 201. a year they would exclude al vo° set
ols,ioo. Oao,
emigrants who had settled in the
been in it long enough to acquire a quallnciiart p)l)
s he cowa ;Ivo"
to the peculiar predominance or L, gieD
tion in those coloniei, the proposed arrearnageleA titti;
roatteod9
_tbhhlev,firva,oo:,7oll
give them a still greater prepond _ 0
jthecetionkatehhaothiecroualdndbe
If this were right on abstract
did Government hesitate to adopt it? s
ssttockbeholdbe
ceptable, to the colonies, for it had bee', show'
ts
prayer of the colonists that the ft
_, rope
lowered so as to admit the general body
.0' oat rc,
labourers, mechanics, and steckholdr:• foto eio
131.1,31 rhe halo
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principle,,,_a_eae,
lot :ito
Government going to do by the
adopting the wise and wished-air he With
ty
out, they were going to give by their Ism,' On II
' destmb ",
legislative councils, prospectively, °I the Ares' -eel'
franchise, and to refuse such power oat P all
gislative Council. The convict interest
itirsafol It
strong in New South Wales; but by th coulFdiee
be stronger. When that interest was.? (peers. ,t;
d tt
tively strong in the Legislative Couneorein "itsel
were about to deny them the power tO _trongettie
franchise; but whsn that interest became 5 eegislade
then proposed to give that power t° bandio°
Council. He vies-afraid Government wereoligarobizi
the franchise by their Bill to sa quer, lle•;01
the very worst kind.-(Loud cries of eel tee ~o 1
The conduct of Government iu this re.sp. of /sot
to be totally oppmed to all prineir:wet t
ee
and analogy. They were giving bleb th! std
Diemen's Land and South Australia wwore argon
tually took away from. Port Phillip. te)00 of
a el oe'
no representative council; they has; %sod 0 010
parties, and yet that anomalous and nnent• et
proceeding had been adopted by Govser,he plat(nlel
had not amply shown the absurdity 0" be pa of
bare recital of the facts, he should consider .0 cot ,rot
to establish his case. He asked the House,:their °jos
nicate first with the colonies before they gained 1°00.9
Woo 001
0.
sanction to the Bill. It was because be
the union between our colonies and the 113°N; 000 of
established on the surest basis, because
b; psoVenr
that the Bill would act mischievously on td to 000
the calories, and because it was on)Pse neerit°- 0,1
blishment of, the good feeling and good ..00ds,
Il
he wished to see cultivated, and on other Pciecnioll'er
ho begged to ask the House to delay tlaes tlO ir
was impossible to refuse to New South
colony 0001
largement of the franchise to which the
_so old „0
titled. It was also their duty to' offer to s° 001 r
such a form of constitution as would be, have t,3,e1
say permanent and final, but which
thing in it of the character of permaneneeite
might be the righte, or the privileges, or the proutoo
would of oi
Parliament of controlling the colonies, Dirlisioti
against the continuance of any control 00, 0800
over their management or their local coneer„
convinced that such a .a stem only entailroteltti
expense on the country-that to continue ceps'
risk a responsibility which he would not s,•fies 11 iir
had already produced such a state cf alanirfint
obliged Parliament to adopt the painful nee:s`wiert tig
ter:ering ; that in so interfering Parlianseosonif?
compelled to act inconsistently, or by °rile °‘01:,
neutral policy to make themselves scoot:oli° tbe
dishonesty; whereas by giving to the o°,,°9beetc);llo
nagement of their local affairs, they won
the dictates of prudence, maintain the 0°" sea 140
Crown, secure the affections of the colonies'oos el)
the colonies in that position which ever,' .g)
would desire to see them eccupy.-(CheerN, The bit
Mr. ROEBUCK seconded the amentnet-,sy ef;ifter
would in a great measure divest this e°3l-'inisi ibt
power over the colony. It appeared t° that ;.
all our experience in colonial le
Government had learned nothing train to el
gislationt the lital
What ought the history of the COloniesoottil
taught them? That between the mother che veils'
the colonies there must be disputes as to to
power of each. But had the Government htitsan fr
vision for such cases? No such thing. "
Noble Lord at the head of the colonies dell. sea "JO
pointed a Commission to advise the Cron reg°Nr,
the advice of that Commission he acted vvirtee 'ea;
South Africa and Australia. He believe(' w 0 ass:o
Lord wished to be generous, but he had sh° 13fPo
of courage iu dealing with the principles Sele33;rl
dowe.-(ilear, hear.) With regard to New 0;006
would ask, was there ever sent out a hod," °f g 00,4
worthy of being entrusted with the power gore'
themselves. They requested the. privilege powers
themselves, and Earl Grey acceded w the ue 1°,"0"
a Bill was brought in to carry out the wishes any
lonies; but an unworthy fear of his countrYtspeolittSe
the Noble Lord to act contrary to the Act °,f7„et Asiee'd
How did the Noble Earl deal with South 11.3rh-tee
shrinking from responsibility, he went sport „It'
Council, and instructions founded on theirhord-i ;
sent out. requiring the then governing pc/
pare a constitution•, and by this 10,11 0540
cumbendibus the Noble Lord again escaPet.,:"fe,rociff
sibility. What did the Noble Lord do ro",iee.o
Australia? Still acting upon the suggestion of •s ;nth,
Council, he threw the responsibility upon °
there, without attempting himself to solve 013,
ficulty. The Noble Lord did not deserve Olsen
a legislator. However good his intentions °Joe
bean, he quailed under the difficulties before atree.oo,
Noble Lord had shirked his duty, evaded bi° resee
dicated his power, and thrown on others tb:a001-00
bility which his position entailed upon "000
(Cheers.) This was what Earl Grey had dol3e'rer 001
the Acts ever passed he (Mr. Roebuck) bad fte'ess,
a more lame, impotent, disjointed, unerte°3,4,-tia );:tot
incomplete measure than the one now before ""00 pis
-(Hear.) In the first place there was ition° nber
between 'the mother country and the o.ha 01:A
this Bill point out where the power of AOo
country ended, and where that of the colony ado o/
gin ? No line whatever was drawn. All wasshef.,:enl
out, vague, and indefinite. And what wt33` °line
about to do ? They were about to give iteneeeltift°
constant cause of dissension. All the c"..ller. sits
r
arisen out of the constitution of the first oh°1"-re to`
Noble Lord acknowledged two chambers 10 be es only
But how did he avoid the difficuiuy? Mark hi-04311k.
courage-his want of daring- the manner yob 41‘
threw off his responsibility. The Noble Dot"bot 111 0
second chamber to be chosen by the peoPlet,s,- tbreit 1
not dare the responsibility of proposing it, 'jerk' "e°oo.
on the chamber itself. Was that the fitting C° se
"Colonial Minister to take?--(Hear, hear.) kit 0 ',lle
eidered the proposition for a federal asses3l',lo, l'e" of.
wise one, and thought the chance of uniting '0484
in one general assembly ought to be taken atl!„.iteilfis'
He charged the Government with incapacity Ow 00
forward such a disjointed, broken, ioconipletiesefone
efficient measure, which could not fail tO i°ool° its'
future destiny of a mighty empire. PosteritY;iocoor
on looking at that great people, that their es'si.ofreoll
owing to the individual perseverance and no°,:iedi,iall
lishmen standing alone, unaided, utoes°"t /1"
thwarted by the Government of the country "o
tbs
they belonged.-(Cheers.) al 0 °nil
Mr. HAWES said the effect of the propos.--°A
Right Hoo. Gentleman was this-that the 1:10315-theyor
proceed no farther with this measure, but thatt d otter
with all the amendments which had been ad°l3,"ese 100
,jetted, should be transmitted to the governors, 'by t",eo
labors, and the people of four colonies, to be iegeol)
considered, in order that some satisfectorY,,,7l),g."
might afterwards take place. Now he (2°;dat 'do
thought it would be much better for the p'pvildit)„V
Gentlemen at once to move that the third, rn, ohe"bs
postp ,ned for three months. The Right 02-094
man seemed t ) have abandoned the prineiPle.,,,t trod
before pro.essed. When the Bill was first P-e-ttle'plil'
the R ght Hon. Gentleman said that he anPsr°lo3,e,.ool
principles. And what were those principle!' the use
did not propose to surrender the power or wrig•,p'
over the colonies, nor did it propose to separetatehaso
from the colonies. But the Right Hon. Gel3.„t"-d re '"10'
peered ready to abandon our colonial empire' ‘rettil
Parliament from all responsibility connected
Mal legislation.
Mr. GLADSTONE-Local legislation. A. 4
Mr. HAWES-The Hon. and Learned 04.00,
said that Earl Grey had abandoned his dig 2:oooint
these colonies the power to amend their n°,.%
po
Now he (Mr. Hawes) apprehended that moutbs nola
was more likely to prevent collision betwaeu ;lift
Government and the colonies than any other tilbe
be adopted. That power was now freely and f°§ofhtooti
time conceded to the colony.-(Hear, hear.)
najerf-pso
tue Bill desired by the colonists or not? ofPt the
the Right Hon. Gentleman to say that no *IL& 0- OW,
be, n given of this measure by the colonists.t the of
tee eat meeting at Adelaide they-resolved tut/0101e
lad before Parliament, so far as relates to tbed,,-ts
South Australia, _meets the _wishes and we'-‘looene
colony in most of its essential provisions, 0337,,abell:ibta
to be regarded as a wise, liberal, and oot°,1:01°"09
measure."-(Hear, hear.) It was said that tPwC
did not approve of this Bill. But if they did 600.1
single chamber, they would have the power of alt
it, and converting it into a double chansbel'there 00
The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to thiss',erellgto
some ch sire on the. part of Earl Grey £0 wish ItV
undue power over the colonies, and that 0%,0100:
narrow and fetter their power. Now nothing, hoe. 0P
founded in fact. If he understood the Rigeill'',;ao °
Roman, he would give up the veto of the tar'"'
questions. 00?
Mr. GLADSTONE-On local questions. eStn- to
Mr. HAWES-Yes, but what were local cic; rev
Was the Rebellion Losses Bill a local questittee tlijae,
land questions Imperial or local? Were, rev e- clr33'd
Lions Imperial or local? It was im
satislactery line in that resect. And be °: for toe
the constitution of a legal chamber at b°®-chant
decision of such • - . • ble g tb.
questions more objections, toe 00
decision of tae Secretary of State. Be nest° es tleatel
this Bill would be accepted by the colonistentn Y'r".o#
and liberal measure. The people of New,,S(),A• 09! peg's
had had the Bill before thorn and apprnve'en DleTSer
Lcipl., o' a single chamber. The people of oe•-:00
possible tensiorto
Land had also at a great public meeting g've[ah36%,ler
proval of its principle. In a petition of haulm ads," to
of Port Philip, they prayed for a Consttiworor
to that of New South Wales or, in other iss fan eel
that provided for by this Bill. or,
feeling' OA f,eafroi,
was unanimous, and yet the Honourable alj' tt°lo
than
Member fur Sh'etlield with more ' eloquence chill te'
—," its pi ovnilons so worl6l°ll
site ;0 ,
.4 0114 join th" lava lion. (4, !adores!' oPPe„,jeticopA
od
its further progre.,:. could not 1400. :p
'he principle of agreement between th°
o°
Learned Member for Sheffield and the Rig--
ht