The Sun.
London, England, 1844-03-19 00:00:00

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with the wl ole civilised world. Wl'ee they
sidered the • hor period in which a ma" jght
interest might be raised, and when it ei_,,sueio
raised in any et u try to which they chose to es:
premium as tl e diminution of the manufactrido,
pital of the cm ntr ehe was inclined to agree] uti„.,
with those eho s t,id that they ran a very gre_aef
tbt
The amount ( f cost m manufactured at the ciloroto
war by this country was 260,000,0 W lbs. ;
_TfOOO
manufactured by France, in 1840, was 130,en533
The manufecturers who were examined The' its'
1834 held different opinions with regard to loviedie'
tion of labour. They stated that the *O;
effect woul.d be a rise in price. .4
worth was examined, and stated that •'''' toter
in price would add to the profit of the foreittos
facturer, but not to that of the home one.
theA oil
vain to suppose that if they limited ,eir
of labour, foreign countries would follow 1..,P,d the
ample. They had . abolished slaver/ ;;;d
slave trade, and yet the country that th.
freest institutions in the world had retained ei the
it would be in the present instance, if they lessbo everego
numberof hours of labour for the manufacturereiee,,bie
count Pies would be the only parties that would beitr.a,ti
The large number of 343,000 eersons s
by manufactures in Lancashire alone, 01°1'
a source of employment was opened theree,
agricultural population. It appeared from t"
ne ce,!:
of the Poor-law Commissioners, that in
the number of those who migrated into the_joe
under the superintendence of only one of the Carl e3O
ers amounted to 10,000. That was in they
..70 the
It was said that if they put dlps,
present system there would be much • vortio,
He thought that in a much larger Pgretbef
there would be less virtue. It must be 601' or
minished the number of those who wereb dsiV
above the necessity of supporting themselves foriol
labour, if by introducing distress among theuroher;
manufacturing counties, they diminished the noher"
those who lived in affluence, and supported e n.sprioril
domestics. How would they maintain their seeieses,
if they altered their system ? They had New,. doss'
Western and Southern Australia, making fres° ateo
upon them. How were their commercial glre 500
and the vast expenditure which these distant p0.,5L00'
occasioned, to be sustained, except by inaintaintneef the!!
nufacturing prosperity ? The declared l'alueopoll
exports of woven fabrics amounted in 1840 to
eole
ofel,ooo,oooesterling.WasitnotbytheempleYlnie.rl4
this afforded that they were enabled to suPNrUtbtile J
ntilipe!f
popnlation, and to bear the burden of the p
If they discouraged manufactures, other e°
in t
ce •t
would adopt means to attain their supr-elou
the civilised world. If they lost their e trthes,',
greatness how would their neighbours treatid
If France, in the course of thirty years, cenof tit
tiply six or seven fold the amount intY
exported fabrics, would they not be beartkucottelAt
own ports by the superior navy of that bite
Contracts had been entered into and leases tiote-
taken, and the Government ought to take care esPfl:
steps they took would not place the persons wile
OPr
tered into these contracts and leases in adisadoo to t 4
Position. He (Mr. W.) had his eyes fully er,4401.
alternative to which the Noble Lord (Howicubsee
they would ultimately be reduced, of not itter,el(o,o
a Ten Hours' Bill, but in every raanufacturine.,,e'oei
district local boards of trade to make arrangerioe 0
tween masters and men. It had been said in `4oiirie,
this question-that they should refrain from
topics that were calculated to excite feeling°, 11'1
country. He did not think it their duty to de s,„ferej
were the circumstances which affected the cit"deee;
the working classes, and what remedies collid:"uthec°it
for their distress was an important element e'llecie)o
sideration of this subject. The Hand-loom oldto
Commission stated the effect of the corn-levis itsg
to raise the price of corn 20 per cent., and assueoasseo
half of the wages of the operatives went for thews to t
tion of corn, they operated as a tax on his
amount of 10 per cent. The consequence we; bis
exertion was required from the operative and „ife °toe
Were it not for those laws the wife could b. of
attention to her domestic duties-eo4l%lde- e
things complained of by the Noble e"iges eel
the operative could devote more of hia, not be „pt
purchase of clothing, and his children riee%-eitaalie
at so early an age to work. One of the recerah; beriot
made by this Commission was carried out, epee of
jesty's present Government, namely the reat!c oeseer
duty on timber. He was an advocate of thr'sthe ear
because it would 'improve the habitations e''.o ON°,
classes. Other questions which the Commuisaloereietiet
mended, namely, the improvement of our WM ofroi
lations with America, the Brazils, Germany' dilate d•
countries, so as to admit of the most advantagtehese4oo
for our manufacture in our various markets'ied to bl 5 P.
tions, amounting to about six were unettelw,ore*
Government, with the exception of one 11174.01 e 'll,er
A measure so impolitic as that which the ',be fur tot
had recommended, would absolve them from,' Dora po
necessity which was threatened by the Nebje ee01$1;t1
Member for Sunderland of putting the lehielethre ettorl
of the details between the operatives and --(Preto
under the management of local boards of traee,' dere
Lord HOWICK said his Hon. Friend mial
what he bad said. „ 5;00 'eT,i„hie
Mr. BECKETT was surprised at the yese-shis ere
had taken place upon the amendment e' be ao.ltiot
Friend, for that discussion appeared to Oil, fi que',oo
discussion respecting profit and loss. e'4'- n,
ot s;oli
they had to consider was, whether the pre'eu it 5,40
was one of cruelty and hardship or not? his
turn out not to be so, then the amendment The e,
Friend would of 'course fall to the groune; 'eje
savers to the statements of his Noble Frienu„ ,11°Liol
that the agricultural labourers and others we'ee- elae'
tn
off as the manufacturing operatives. NeTt not ;e?
be urged as a reason why that House out; 2r to evoe
terfere in a case where it possessed the IPewe of tbef the
—(Hear, hear.) He knew that a large Dolour °p'
nufacturers, owners of machinery, were in
__t gen' esr
amendment of his Noble Friend. 'The BlVbeor.Vo4o
ronet (Sir James Graham) said that the Ille° it
ployed in manufactures generally lasted 5 rietorvto eri,
years, and therefore it required a certain
remuneration for the capital invested in thet_hoat "tie
and consequently to reduce the period of Pi;.o3. ti°,ooll
hours a day, would greatly diminish the re....'dee Aft
owners of the machinery, and a great in.l"-10/
be done. Why, he (Mr. Beckett) would apeao
the most sanguine manufacturer in this colle'yere?l
any machinery employed in manufactures
worked for twelve hours a day for s'% 't
Why, no manufacturer ever expected sti„asde`:lolic
Machinery was continually being
new inventions. This argument of the n'ethe Void
able Baronet, therefore, completely fell t°:
las off toe'
He (Mr. Beckett) hid taken the 0Pin'1,47,4 °`.1,01
practical men on the subject, and the 07,010
with whom he had consulted deprecated a .7,eeperali
Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Manufacturers, drop' a the
operatives whom he had conversed witlt
and
_„,in
favour of shortening the hours of labour, .0 °PTO°
town of Barnsley he had ascertained thatbe'lieveetricts
worked more than ten hours a day. Ile •ag Ole:.
the labouring population in the manufacturdeolie:o
would ever remain open to the schemes (;) the Vol'',
and agitation while the present duration ce to a t of;
labour continued. While he was opposedood
oat,
hours'Bill, he would freely admit that hew ele too se
port a proposition for a Bill of ten hours.
woe
be
such a change would be too sudden. He wile elsci t"
a gradual alteration, and for the preseni„el be hrj;
content with an eleven hours' Bill. He Wc'r
see such a Bill passed for a period of three ° wig boor',.,
and by that time they would be enabled tnr; of late tit'',
practicability of further curtailing the iv)ut °D'rd
Sir GEORGE GREY felt anxious
_lire fie e
reasons why he concurred with the Nub'co, prort
had moved the amendment which had ,dge °rest/
In doing so, he could not but acknow, „ Sec, ,ere
observations of the Right Hon. Baronet bound
Oft
for the Home Department, in introducing hiooodd the
entitled to the greatest weight. He wilfisddress,ie to
that the arguments which had been 7 seeP"-- illOt
House by the Hon. Member for Kendal
tiler ag,arist t,tl
(Sir G. Grey) to have been directed To on, •
gislative interference on the subject or°
limited, and, as he thought, reasonahlieiP Noble„reper44
had been submitted to the House sated, trbe
They had been warned, and he n 030,eitteiri'
warned, not to do anything whicehner.g!e_s.,.aelicre lifer telitic
of curtailing our manufacturing
the commercial prosperity of the cotteu-e'ot, er„rone
tened in vain for any shadow of argerato
slightest proof, that the change which r res Peer 0 1104
was likely to involve our commerci:e• hadjchjil
would ask whether any argunient,,riod,f tee ip,
against the amendment of his Noble -e„t• 10 of re
not equally applicable to the in:lee'r „islstaere
then before the House. The princiele °the De. Ties
terference had been long ago decided bl,rlllolol k the
When that qUestion was decided Oir: i;eo on b°
presented to the Hon. Member It'L eithe'thet ,r,
'oils eel O'
Warburton) of pressing his ohieetlhe loon hoe that
second reading of the Bill, or upon te arse, re,• tO
0 :
Speaker do leave the Chair. No sue ht, tliel'oef'Pros
was taken. He (Sir G. Grey) thong 4it was„.tiott„ tar
in the present state of the proceedlo-iy etti„,„Jer:t
of j
raise that general question. The', eltere:i ee
how far ought their interference W the 1 boilfro op
could it be safely carried, and he far
fitted it octet' to
the operatives required and perowere to started to
carried out, and at what point they verw,-.01
With regard to the subject of interter, the te4hie
him that between the Noble Earl anti 1`_:'1000,0
there was not the slightest difference.the GoSe
did not ask the House to go beyond Bill. to 1;100,
comprehending other classes ie this
called upo'
question upon which they were_
,s„inion the lot
up their minds and to pronounce au i-j,'"trieene'bi loco;
the question whether young persons sho
13 and 18, and women of every
eeerthe e:elosetbe
during twelve hours a day, exclusie.eries, cols 0010,
sumed in going to and from the
fo.°4-I"their °decide
the period to be consumed durine i_„d to „ours. ter)
factory. The question the Houseo.e'tweiee be at
whether the period should be ten e_e shoe
one side it was proposed that the
ottlwher sideevt.
hours ; and the proposition on the the case beer' 01
it should be twelve hours, which, in ire la_,,tort 000
e•sce, ~,c
no one could doubt was very
thought that the Report of tits
deserving of every attention an... };gill`
their for ml,lece,l4,
subject, and they gave it as
person, and in the case of feratlaian3' fifteeief°r[
twelve hours' work was more than eneleue` the
ir
of being absent for more
was destructive of domestic happiness et to de'oc ite
must necessarily tend to the total nweeie_ they coFacustoidryeritAtei-0.0700
.oto7g
milies. He would ask the House l'orneveltu
that this excessive labour was neees';'aoool:oeli
co' 0,
mercial prosperity of the country
would Kt' let beec°e't
tion with other measures which
0,11, red toe
the physical and moral condition.
this
_eeto heoreeo
sidered that such a provision as ire could .115,i0,,'001.
ficial result. He thought:from most foci
the great mass of the opeFatives
_lse;,„_;„od
see the propositions of his Noble