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of laughter.)—There might be some_ of theul lame, and Do you swear the full procession was going through ?..-I say
in tha= sense the might halt.— Laughter.) a part was going through. The last part of it.
Where did they y
halt ?—Near th(e platform. What time did you leave the street to undress?—l was not in
That was when they could not go further ?—Yes.--
the street then. I undressed in the barracks.
(Immense laughter.)What time of the day did you undresi?—l should think(he-
sitating) about I cannot exactly say.
Did they stand at ease ?--I suppose they did, for some You are very precise about the words Mr. O'Connell used.
of them must have come a good distance, and therefore What time did you put on the disguise ?—Was it one o'clock.
they must have been tired.—(Laughter.) . It might be about one o'clock.
Oh, they wanted rest, and then they stood at ease— Was it one o'clock ?—lt might be more. I think it was
just so ?—(Laughter.)—They marched, and halted, and between one and two.
stood at ease, because they were tired. Did you see the whole of the procession?—l don't know that
Do you know anything about marching ?—Yes, some-• I saw the whole of it. I saw half of it.
thing. - What half did you see?—The last half,
We
re you ever drilled 7—l was. Where did you see it ?—I saw it going out of Mallow.
Do you know the first movement ?—When a person is Are you a constabulary man 7-1 am.
You have fought no battles ?...No.
desired to march he is to put his left leg foremost.— 0
Oh . then you are not a military man, you are a civil man.
(Shouts of laughter.) ow,. Sou have said the procession marched in military or-
And let your right leg follow it 7—Yes, that's it. der, with bands playing, colours flying—are these words your
Well, now, were the people coming in military array, own ? Are they your own spontaneous effusion ?—Yes.
with their left legs foremost ?—(Renewed laughter.)-1 Were you not frightened by this military array, close columns
do not know which of their legs were foremost.—(Great and marching order ? —No.
laughter.) What tunes did the bands play ? Did they play " Paddy Ca-
Did you see them all march P—l don't know. rey," or 44 Paddy from Cork," or " God save the Queen ?"
Did you ever hear " Come, brave boys, we're on for I took no notice.
marching"—(Laughter) ?—Can you explain the dif- This was not a military procession ?—No, aci
saw great a
vil one.
ference between the right and left legs 2—(Shouts of There were bands of music and banners?—
laughter.)—Not exactl many banners.
y.
What do you mean by the horses being in apparently particu.
Which of your ler is foremost now ?—Cannot say.
largood order—were they fat ?—That would be good order.

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Mr. Bennett—What has the difference of legs to do
in this case ?
Mr. Hatehell—Do not be angry because I am pleased.
Come, Captain Maguire—General, I think, I ought to
call you—did you ever read Duncla,s on Manctuvring ?
Yes, a little.
What part of it 7—Cannot say.
Then, ,you have forgotten your lesson ?—So it ap-
pears.—(Laughter.)
Well, now, having gotten so fax with your left leg
foremost, what do you mean by rank and file 7—Two
deep.
Ah, hah ! you are too deep for me. On your oath,
does it mean two deep, or a single file ?—Cannot tell
exactly.
Oh, there you are, Mr. Captain Maguire, on Dundas's
tactics.—(Laughter.) Do you mean to tell the jury
that the people all came in marching two deep ?—I
do not.
They did not march two and two, rank and file ?
—They did not march two deep, but some of them did.
Hew many of them did so ?—Some more and some
less.
Were they short or long ?—Don't; know.
Well, take the largest party, and stay how many came
two deep ? (The witness made a very long pause.)
Mr. Hatchell—Well ?
Witness—Well, Sir.
Mr. Hatchell--I say ill, Sir ; go on.—.( Laughte r. )
Well go on ?—The largest number of a party might ex.
ceed 100.
Did they come in two deep ?—Some of them did.
Will you swear that any one body of them came two deep?
—Some of them came two deep in a kind of enilitary order.
Oh ! a kind of military order, was it?—Yes.
By virtue of your oath, Sir, did you not swear a moment ago
that they came in rank and file?—lt was a kind of rank and file.
Like mounting the Castle-guard ?—Exactly so:
By virtue of your solemn oath, will you swear that any one
of the parties you saw came in order such as the guard goes in
when relieving the other guard at the Castle T--Some of
them did.
Was there any entire party who came two and two 2—Some
of them did.
On your oath were there not a great many women and chil-
dren there ? Yes ; the women and children came aCter Mr.
O'Connell.—( Laughter.) I mean after he came into town.
Did they not come in with the men 7—They might have
come in after the men.
Were they not with the men ? Some of the parties I Be-
scribed had no women.
Was there any party with women and children 7—Yes.
Were they with all the parties ?—They might have coeise
after the parties.
Were there not lots of women and ehildren in the military
array?—They might hare followed the men.—( Laughter. )
The women and children followed in the rear ?—On the
sides.
Then the women were beside the men ?—ln some cases.
Were they mixed with them ?—Not with those men who
came in as I described to you before.
Mr. Hatchell—l do not want to entrap the witness, but I
want him to give us a fair and honest statement of what took
place, according to what he saw.
Witness—l am disposed to do so.
Now, you talked of a drum-major ?—I did.
Do you know what a drum-major is ?—I do.
Had he a silver-headed cane in his hand ?—He had a stick
in his hand, the top of which was either silver or something
representing silver.
It was the band-master had that ?—No ; the drum-major.
Is that the band-master ?—No, it is not.
You knew them to be temperance bands, did you ?—No ;
they were all strangers to me.
I know you did. not know them personally ; but did you
know them to be temperance bands ?—I was informed that
some of them were.
And when the meeting was determined, and the speeches
were over, all the people returned quietly home?—They
And their wives and children with them ?—They all went
away.
At what hour?.—Between four and five o'clock.
John Jolly was the next witness produced, and being sworn,
was examined by Mr. Brewster, Q. C.—l am head-constable
of Cork, East Riding. I remember a meeting at Mallow on
the 11th of last June. I was there. It was on Sunday. I
went in uniform.to Mallow, but I changed my clothes before
the meeting took place. Before the meeting eommenced I saw
a procession. I saw it pass through Mallow in the direction
from which I was told Mr. O'Connell was to come. I cannot
recollect the place where it passed. I was a stranger there.
The procession was a very numerous one. There were several
bands. There were persons on horseback. The procession
marched in regular order with bands and banners ; the bands
playing and the colours flying. Several of them had cards at-
tached to their button-holes to distinguish them from others.
More had paper round their hats with the words " O'Connell's
Police" written upon it.
Describe what order they went in ?—They marched four or
five deep. The horsemen went much in the same way, ap-
parently in regular order.
Did you see persons taking more particular command than
others ?—I did.
Describe in what positions in the procession they were?—
They were outside the body, or the ranks, as I may call it, and
appeared to give directions to the others. Some of the horse-
men who did take this command had wands, with something
like ribbon tied on the top. It was late in the evening when
the procession returned. Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Steele re-
turned with it. Ido not remember ever to have seen se large
a meeting.
How many think you were there ?—I think there were some
hundreds of thousands. I have never seen such a crowd before.
In what part of the procession were Mr. O'Connell and Mr.
Steele ?—I did not see them in the procession, but I saw them
on the platform.
Where was the platform erected?—lt was erected near
the shambles in Mallow.
Was it a large place ?—lt was a very large open space, anti
it,Was very nearly full; I went near to the platform; I was
about ten yards from it ; sometimes nearer, but the place where
I stopped at last was about ten yards from the platform.
Did you take a note of the proceedings ?—I did not.
Did you hear Mr. O'Connell's speech ?—Part of it.
Are you able to state the substance of any part or parts of it ?
—I am. The first thing that was done was to present an address
to Mr. O'Connell ; so at least I was told, for at that time I
coald not get near enough to the platform.
What did you bear Mr. O'Connell say ?—He first said that
he came to tell them a secret, and thought there were enough
of them to keep it.—( Laughter.) He told them, too, that the
Union should be repealed by some time that I cannot exactly
remember.—( Laughter. )
Did he mention any time ?—He did. He also said that they
should have " Ireland for the Irish. They might have
England for the English, and Scotland for the Scotch. but
Ireland should be for the Irish ; and that he defied them to
keep it, for they were too numerous, too determined, and
too -temperate." He said that on the face of the earth there
were not a greater pack of bribers than the British House
of Commons, and that was admitted by some authority he then
gave. He then asked the crowd, did they ever hear talk of the
man with the ugly name? Sugden—(Laughter.) He said a
friend of his in Kilkenny told him he would net call his pig
" Sugden "—(Laughter)—and as for the Lord Lieutenant, he
was so ignorant that he heard he sent a commissioner to see
if Kilkenny was a seaport.—(Laughter.) He then alluded to
the police. There were some members of the police there,
and he spoke of them. He said that if they had made applica-
tion to him, he would have appointed several of his own
police to keep the peace, and save the police the trouble of
coming there. He said they sent the soldiers to shoot them,
" but," said he, " they know a trick worth two of that."
—( Laughter. ) He said, "if we are attacked we will defend
ourselves. The sergeants of the English army are the finest
body of men in the world, but the worst treated. The French
sergeants were generally raised to the rank of officers;
they were a great deal better treated than the English,
by being promoted to the rank of officers." He also
began telling the crowd the effects of repeal. He said the
labourers would be farmers, the farmers gentlemen, and
the gentlemen Members of Parliament—(Loud laughter, in
which the Court and jury joined)—no, not Members of Par-
liament, but Lords.—( Repeated laughter). He asked the
crowd, Would they be ready to come again if he wanted them,
and desired as many as would to hold up their hands. The
crowd held up a wood of hands. He said when they came again
he would require them to come armed, but the arms would be
repeal cards.
Mr. Brewster—Did you observe anything particular—l
mean in his tone and gesture, when he was then speaking ?
Yes, he paused when he said " armed," before he said " with
repeal cards;" the meeting lasted about two hours. I taw
something occur on the platform before the meeting commenced
which attracted my attention ; some one on the platform—it
was before Mr. O'Connell came—pointed out a person in the
crowd, and desired him to leave the meeting ; he said he
should be put out by force if he did not leave it. He said to
the crowd, " Cut his reins, drive him out, he is an enemy." I
did not see this person, but I think he was on horseback, as the
other said, " cut his reins."
Cross-examined by Mr. Whiteside—Are you acquainted with
Mr. Johnston ?—I saw him.
When did you see him last ?—I saw him in the Court to-day.
Did you see him last night ?—Yes.
Did you then know he was examined yesterday ?—I did.
Did you talk about the trial with him ?—No, he was away
from me.
Have you not seen him frequently before the trials com-
menced ?—Yes, I have.
Did not he tell you he came here to be examined ?—He did.
When did you see Maguire last ?-1 saw him last night.
May I ask your rank in the constabulary ?—Head constable.
You are not an officer then ?—No.
Pray, where are you stationed Ballingcollig, about six
miles from Cork.
May I ask what newspaper you take in ?—I take in no
newspaper.
Well, then, what newspapers do you read 7—l am glad to
see any of them.
I suppose you read the Cork Constitution?—Yes.
Did you read an account of the Mallow meeting in any of the
newspapers will answer candidly ; I did not read any
account of the meeting. I have no recollection that I did.
Try and remember ?—I cannot recollect. Upon my oath I
do not.
Will you tell me to-morrow if I meet you ?—I cannot recol-
lect that I did.
Will you swear that you read no account of the meeting in a
newspaper ?—I will not.
Were you ordered to go to Mallow ?—I was.
How were you dressed ?—I went in regular uniform.
Were you in Mallow the night before?—l was not. I went
there in the morning.
Did you meet other policemen there ?—Yes.
Were the policemen dressed in uniform 2—They were.
Was Mr. Anderson, the sub-inspector, there ?—He was.
Does not he know Mallow better than you do ?—He does.
What time did you undress ?—I can't say exactly. The
procession was going through the town at the time,

Now, what became of the guns and muskets, the cannon,
the dead and wounded of this battle ?—There were none at all.
The horsemen were mounted five or six a-breast, and more
after them.
Are you sure the horses' tails were not tied together ?
Were there real living men on them ?—There were.
And woaten behind the men ?—Yes, on pillions.
/Vow tell us, did they charge you or you charge them ?—I
did neither.
Had the women their arms about the men ?—They were
holding on.
Now, I have to ask a question suggested by Mr. Hatchell.
Do you conceive that an offence against the arms order ?
( Great laughter. )
So, with music playing and banners flying, and women
with arms round the men, they marched out of Mallow ?
Yes.
Were there no children there ?—lt would not be a place for
them in the crowd.
Were the bands temperance bands or timperance ?-1 do
not. understand timperance.
I beg your pardon. I assure you I mean no impeachment
on your moral character. I wish to know do you think it
better that the people should amuse themselves playing music
or drinking whiskey ?—lndeed, Sir, I prefer the former.
Why, you know in either case they are prosed, quocungue
via, as we lawyers say.—(Laughter.)
Did you make any report of this battle ?—I made no report.
I took no note.
How, then, do you recollect Mr. O'Connell's speech?--
Because I took a great interest in hearing Mr. O'Connell speak.
Are you a Repealer? You took a great interest in Mr.
O'Connell's speech, you say?-1 was glad to listen to a good
speaker.
You had better wait a little, then, and hear Mr. Hatchell
and the rest here ?—I would be glad to hear gentlemen of
eminence.
How did you take a note of the pause? Are you not to
allow a pause in speaking ?—Certainly, Sir.
I wish to know how, because it is odd a witness yesterday
said Mr. O'Connell paused ?—I took no notice aeall.
Mr. O'Connell told the people to come armed with the Re-
peal card ?—Yes.
Now, when you heard the word armed did not you nudge
the man against you ?—I was nudging him to get on as quick
as I could.
He said the sergeants in France got promotion—you cocked
your ears at that ? Now, do you not expect to be promoted to
the office of Head-constable when the trial is over ? I have a
a great respect for the constabulary, and like them in any cha-
racter save witnesses ? That is for the Inspector-General.
Well, the Inspector-General ie a reasonable man, and don't
you think it reasonable that a useful, active man like you should
be promoted ?—lt is reasonable.—( Laughter ).
So Mr. O'Connell said when we got it (Repeal) the labourers
would be farmers, the farmers gentlemen, and the gentlemen all
Lords?—There will be no commoners then.—(Laughter).
You will be a Lord yourself—(Laughter)—Lord Bailin-
, A t
Telltorn emy Gneonwe r, a lwjhoiienhe di
3) joined).—He Htheissatirdeusoo.n,
collig ?—( Great laughter, in which the whole Court save the
e
l
conspiracy, sedition,
ce- flat burglary ?—( Continued laughter).—l never joke when
I em on my oath.
There was a country fellow on the platform, who told a per-
son in the crowd, whom you did not see, to be gone, not
treat itig a disturbance ?—I did not know what he might be
doing.•
You have idle times in the north, I think ?—lt is very sin-
gular, t kie less I have to do the better I like it.—(Laughter.)
Now did you not say you never joked when on your oath ?
—That i s. really, no joke Sir.—( Loud laughter. )
You were not much pressed on that day?.—lndeed I was,
by the crow ed.—(Cont inued laughter. )
Why you .are joking again ; but there was nothing more
to incommcdt. you—your whiskers were not pulled ?—The
crowd was veoey great.
Were there ladies and gentlemen among them ?—Neither.
Did you di,le comfortably that day, and had you a good
bed ?—lt was pretty hard.—(Laughter. )
When did you leave Mallow ?—That evening.
When did they ferret you out as a witness ?—About the
month of December.
Are there any respectable people in Mallow ; any proprie-
tors in the town ; shopkeepers or landholders near it ?—Plenty.
Why, then have they pitched on you, a policeman, who
escaped to tell of your imnsitient hair-breadth 'scape from the
scene of slaughter ?—( Laugh was sent here.
Now, Sir (here Counsel addressed the witness in a tone of
the most dramatic gravity, amid the roars of the whole Court)
sincerely trusting you may speedily obtain that promotion
which you so richly deserve, I hare to wish you a very good
morning
Re-examined 'by Mr. Brewster—Mr. Anderson was near the
place of meeting. He was in the Courtehouse, and could not
hear what was said.
The witness then withdrew.
The next witness called was Henry Godfrey, police con-
stable. He was examined by Mr. Freeman-1 was a con-
stable in August. 1 remember the 6th of August. I was
in Baltinglass on that day. I was stationed at Donerd. It
is about eight miles distant from Baltinglass. I was ordered
to Baltinglass the evening before the meeting. The meeting
took place on Sunday. I saw a great number of persons
there between twelve and one o'clock. I observed persons
coming in on large waggons ;from the Rathvilly side. They
had a band with them. I saw banners. I did not observe
any inscriptions. The meeting was held a little outside
the town. I saw the Rev. Mr. Nolan before the meeting took
place. I heard him desire the people to go and meet Mr.
O'Connell. I heard a man say the shouting will frighten the
pigeons. Another said, " Yes, and the Protestants too."
This was before the Rev. Mr. Nolan desired the people to go
to meet Mr. O'Connell. I was dressed in plain dress. Mr.
Mr. O'Connell came in about one o'clock. I heard a man say
" This is the day that will frighten Saunders." A gentleman
named Mr. Robert Saunders lives about two English miles
from the town. The expression was made before Mr. O'Con-
nell came up.
Mr. Fitzgibbon—When did you make the memorandum out
of which you are reading ?—On the day the meeting was
over.
To Mr. Freeman—l attended the place of meeting ; I saw
Mr. O'Connell, there, and Mr. Nolan, Mr. Farrell, and Mr.
Copeland ; 1 saw the two Metcalfe there, and a person who
was pointed out to be Mr. Steele ; I would know Mr. Steele's
person (the witness here identified Mr. Steele who was sitting
near him in Court). Mr. O'Connell was there also ; he re-
collected him saying that he did not despair of getting the Re-
peal, for he had the people to back him ; he also said there were
some millions of money sent out of the country ; he did not
say how much ; he stated that the taxes were to be paid out
of some fund; he heard him say something about Lord Wick-
low ; he heard him call Mr. Felton a " bog-trotting agent ;"
does not recollect that he heard him say anything more.
Did you hear Mr. O'Connell say anything about meeting the
people again ?
Mr. Fitzgibbon objected to the question. Mr. Freeman
had no right to be leading the witness this way.
Mr. Freeman—Did you hear him say anything about tithes ?
Mr. Cantwell said—Really in justice to my client I must
interfere ; this is not fair.
Chief Justice—You must not interrupt the Court, Mr.
Cantwell.
Mr. Cantwell—l must, and hope I shall do my duty, my
lord, and I hope your Lordship will do yours.
Chief Justice—The Court will do its duty, and if you inter.
rript it again you will be removed forthwith.
Mr. Cantwell—l am satisfied that the Court will do its
duty, but I must bring under its notice an illegal question.
Chief Justice—lt is not your duty to address the Court,
when you have Counsel to do so.
Mr. Freeman—Do you recollect that Mr. O'Connell said
anything more?—He said when he came again he hoped all the
people !would be there to meet. him. He heard the people also
say that they would get the Repeal, now they were all sober
and determined men. He saw Mr. Lawless, a Roman Catho-
lic clergyman there. He heard him say that tithes would be
done aw: ty with. He talked about going to Dublin, and said if
the Prote.stant clergymen were civil, and would join him, they
would get the tithes during their lives. He could not say how
many peopl e were there. He was in a crowd, and there were
a great number of people around him. He was not alone, there
was sometimes another man with him, and sometimes not.
Cross-examinswi by Mr. Fitzgibbon—Were you a stranger
in Baltinglass?--No. I had known it ten or eleven years.
You were very well known there as a policeman?—Yes.
Hose long have
.you been a policeman ?—Twelve years."
Wei e you all that time in Baltinglass ?—I was not. I was
station ed eight miles from it.
At t his meeting y ou were not molested ?—No.
Noe xpression was used painful to your feelings ?—One person
said, " This is the day that will frighten the pigeons," (in
Baltinglass dialect, policemen.)
There •was no attempt to remove you from the crowd?—
No.
No attei opt to do you injury ?—No.
You my lht have got up to the front of the platform if you had
liked ?—Y, es.
Like any other person in the meeting ?—The same.
Can ,vou tell us the name of any other person that was with
you Yo.
When tho observation was made about the." pigeons," was
there not some one who replied, " and frighten the Protestants
too?"—Y.
You plai a 33, heard him ?—Yes.
Were you > within a yard of him?—Yes,
Did you de anything 7—No.
Did you know the person, or ever see him ?—No.
What sot 't of man was be ?—He appeared to be a coun-
tryman.
Then ye to cannot name any person who heard that expres-
sion besides. -yourself?—No.
Yon can nu it name any person who was about you at the
time ?—I c. in. not. There were millions of people about me.—
( Laughter.)— -I made it my business to keep out of the way of
all people whoa 1 thought would know me.
Then you. t nean to say that during that day you endea-
voured to assist I the eyes and notice of those who knew you ?
....I diet
What did yea ado to avoid the eyes of those who knew you ?
I would shift from any place when I saw them into another
part of the ems rd.
Lest the .y shuteld see you ?—Yes.
Did you expect that shuffling forward to another place in the
crowd, w. 3uld prey, •nt your being seen by those who knew
you ?-1 lid.
Did yot i dip your hean'Y—No.
Did you i hide. your head I—No.
Then, v that you did when you saw an acquaintance, was to
shift your way through the crowd ?—I worked my way through
the crowd wit. hmy face up. I endeavoured to make my way
through them
Did you fir ,d any place in the crowd when looking around
you, you coial d not see any men who knew you?-1 did.
Where was that ?—ln front of the platform ; I cannot say
how far that was from the platform; perhaps twenty yards,
sometimes it might be ten yards ; I was in front of Illew's
Hotel, which is about a mile from Baltinglass, when I heard the
words, " mi. is the day when we'll frighten Saunders ;" I
cannot tell the name of man, woman, or child, that heard that
phrase; 1 was c lose to the man who said these words; I might
have seized him; 1 cannot tell you who he was; I did not ask
his name ; I recce 'dad the phrase on paper the same day ; I

(and the decision was affirmed by the full Court on the mo-
tion for a new trial), that the evidence was admissible in-
asmuch as it was calculated to show the chant.* r of the in-
tended meeting. In the present case, the evidence of the
witness now under examination, went to prove that statements
were made by persons coming from the meeting at Baltinglass
in reference to the question asked at that meeting, whether,
when Mr. O'Connell came again they would be there to meet
him, or questions to that effect. It was a question for the jury
as to the way that language was understood. Then they had
the people leaving that meeting, declaring that they were
ready to turn out and fight for repeal if necessary. Common
sense told them that what was understood by that meeting
was more calculated to be proved by what they
said after the meeting was over than before they came
there. He contended that the meeting was not over because
the people might be dispersing. In the 15th volume of the
State Trials, page 553. they would find it so laid down ; and
suppose that some of the parties who attended the meeting at
Baltinglass went off to Mr. Saunders'a house, and committed
an act of violence on it going from the meeting, he insisted that
would be evidence against every person that spoke at that
meeting. The Attorney-General then read the case which he
relied on, and contended that the people alluded to were
coming from the meeting, and that the actions and expres-
sions of such people could be given in evidence, as the acts
of the party who attended the meeting. They had it in evi-
dence already that the people were heard to say that we must
have repeal, as we are sober and determined men ; and could
it be said that they could net give such declarations in evidence
after the meeting, when declarations before the meeting were
admissible?
Mr. Whiteside sustained the objection, and said the case cited
by the Attorney-General made entirely for his (Mr. W.'s)
clients. He read from page 111, Philips on Evidence, and said
it was ruled that the conduct of persons going to a meeting
could be received in evidence, because it was a declaration of
the thing done before the meeting; but anything said or done
after was not evidence, and of course could not be received.
He read from page 201 of Philips, and contended that it was
in his favour.
Judge Crampton—This is a very important matter ; it is
stated that in the case of Dr. Sacheverell, the declarations were
made by the mob after the meeting.
Mr. Hatchell—lt says mob, but it does not state that the
matter took place after the meeting, but merely a mob that ac-
companied him to the Temple.
Judge Crampton—That is very important ; if it was made
before the meeting the case is settled, but if after it does not
exactly apply to this ca,e, and therefore I think we ought to
investigate the matter.
Mr. Whiteside—Here are two men who are met, half a
mile from the place of meeting, shouting, and that at an hour
after the meeting. If such things could be given in evidence,
the acts of the parties next day might be admitted. The case
of Lord George Gordon was where the expressions were used
by the mob while they were pulling down a house.
The Attorney-General—ln page 553 of the State Trials you
will find it was the mob who accompanied Doctor Sacheverell
after the meeting was over.
Judge Crampton—The evidence was that a mob accom-
panied him to the Temple; but it does not say they did so
from the meeting ; and that is the important fact to be
understood.
The Attorney-General—What we rely on is this, that the
declarations of those persons ia part of the res piste of the case.
Judge Perrin—lf it was proved that a shouting and expres-
sions were used by the body of the meeting, it would be a dif-
fetent thing; but here are two men, pot apparently connected
with the meeting, and away from it, using certain expressions.
Mr. Moore—And there is no evidence that they were even
at the meeting.
The Chief Justice—Let that fact be ascertained.
Mr. Tomb (to witness)—Where were the men ?—On the
bridge when I came up. I can't swear that they formed a
portion of the people who were at the meeting.
Judge Crampton—The Crown in this case bad better not
press the evidence.
Mr. Moore—lf the jury have taken any notes of this evi-
dence the Court will please order it to be struck out.
,The Chief Justice told the jury to strike out the evidence.
Cross-examined by Mr. Moore, Q. C.—l knew of the meet-
ing before, as it was quite notorious ; heard of it for about three
weeks before that time ; it was quite notorious in all the dis-
trict, and we all knew it was a meeting for the Repeal of the
Union ; all was quiet at the meeting ; there was perfect peace,
tie acts of violence were committed; I did not see anything
like the least breach of the peace.
The Court and Jury retired for a quarter of an hour.
Manus Hughes sworn and examined by Mr. Holmes—ls in
the police, acting constable, was stationed in August within
twenty-one miles of Baltinglass ; was at Baltinglass on the 6th
of August last ; there was a great assemblage of people there
on that day ; thinks he knows Mr. O'Connell ; he (Mr.
O'Connell, was pointed out to witness at the meeting ; never
saw him before. Witness went to Baltinglass the day before
the meeting ; he went to the meeting in plain clothes.
People were coming into the town all the morning. Saw Mr.
O'Connell about two o'clock; he came in by the turnpike
road, the Dublin one. There were a great many people
with him. When witness saw him, it was when be was
coming near the platform. Witness took notes of what passed
that day ;he wrote them next morning. Will swear to their
correctness.

took a note of it before the meeting was held by Mr. O'Con-
nell ; I did so on one side of the road.
Show me your note ?—I hav'nt it here.
Did you not, to the jury, awhile ago, look at your notes, and
pretended to read it from your book ?—I did, and I have it here
(handing a paper to Counsel).
Mr. Fitzgibbon (looking at the paper)—Did you not awhile
ago tell the jury that you made this note the day of meeting ?
.—I did not tell them that note.
Did you believe I was speaking of anything else than that
paper ? Did you believe my question was about the paper in
your hand, or any other paper ?—I cannot answer that question.
Now answer this single question, Where is the original note
from which yot!say you wrote this book ? I think it is burnt.

Dead men tell no tales : when did you burn it 2.—When
went horse after sending in my report.
Were you ordered to take notes ?—I was ordered to take
notice of particular words.
Do you mistake my words ?—I do not remember that I was
ordered to take notes. It was with a pencil I took notes. I
went prepared with paper to take notes.
Report the expression again respecting Saunders.—l will.
It was—" This is the day that will frighten Saunders."
That is what you have written ?—Something to that effect.
heard words to that effect from several persons—who said
Saunders would be frightened to-day. Another said " Devil's
cure to him, he would not came down and join the people for
repeal."
Did you not tell me this minute that you made a note of the
phrase ?_I made a note of it upon the paper that was burnt.
I took notes that I did not mention in my report. The book
in my hands is nearly the same as my report. I cannot say
that it is so exactly.
Mr. Freeman—Let the report be put into the witness's
hands.
Mr. Fitzgibbon objected to such a course.
Chief Justice—Wait until the cross-examination is over, and
it will be then time enough to put the report in his hand.
Mr. Freeman contended that the document ought to be
placed at once in the witness's hand, or else that Mr. Fitz-
gibbon should forego the intention of asking the witness any
question respecting it, for it was a fixed rule of law that no
witness could be interrogated respecting the contents of any
document which was not in the first instance laid before him.
Mr. Fitzgibbon maintained that the document ought not to
to be placed in the witness's hand, and assured the Court that
Mr. Freeman had totally misconceived the drift of his question.
He had asked him if the report he had sent in to his superior
officer was the same as the book in his hand, thereby plainly
asking him whether he had taken the book from the report,
or the report from the book ? But he did not put any ques-
tion to him as to what was or was not in his report. He
merely asked him how his report was framed. He wished to
know whether the book was framed from the report or the
report from the book, and he was at a loss to think how that
could be construed into a question respecting the contents of
the report.
The Attorney-General contended, that according to the
rule of law it was absolutely necessary that the document should
be placed in the witness's hand. This point was decisively
settled in the Queen's case. Mr. Fitzgibbon's question was
this—Does the book in your hand correspond with the report
now furnished ? and surely this question was, in point of fact,
tantamount to an inquiry as to the contents of the report.
Mr. Justice Crampton (to Mr. Fitzgibbon)—Put your
question again, Mr. Fitzgibbon, if you please, and that may
decide the controversy.
Mr. Fitzgibbon (to witness)---Now, Sir, tell me this, did
you copy your report from that book in your hand?
Witness—The way of it was this.—(Laughter.) In the
first instance I made out my report from the notes which I
took on the day of meeting, and then I copied what I have in
my book from my report. I copied the report which is in this
book from the report which I sent into my office.
Did you copy the book from the report before you sent in the
report?—Yes.
Are you sure now ?—lndeed I think I am. I have ex-
plained it to you how it was. I took a report from my original
notes, and sent it off, and a copy of that report I brought to
my station.
What became of that copy ?—I don't know what became
of it. I dare say it is at home—l'm sure I don't know—
Stay, stay—l believe I have it here—yes, here it is. This is
the report which I took from my original notes.
Well, read it through, and tell me de you find in it any-
thing about " devil's cure to Saunders?—( Witness giving a
very cursory glance over his report.) No, there is nothing
about it here.

Mr. Fitzgibbon—Why, Sir, you don't think it worth your
while to look through your notes for it? Witness (carelessly)
—Oh, I know it is not in it.
Where were you when you nude out your report ?—ln a
house in Baltinglass.
Who owns that house ?—I forget th• man's name.
You forget his name ?—Yes I do. All I know is, that he is
a carpenter.
He keeps a lodging house. Does he not ?-....Ye5, he does.
And you lodged in his house, and have been for ten sr eleven
years in Baltinglass, and yet, notwithstanding all this, you forget
his name ?—I do not remember it. I never lodged in his house
but once.

Your memory must, indeed, be very treacherous, and yet
you can remember what Mr. O'Connell said that day Passing
strange that ! I think I may let you go down, Sir.
Witness—My Lords, I never was stationed at Baltinglass for
more than a fortnight, and there are numbers of people there
whom I don't know.

Cross-examined by Mr. O'Hagan—There was no breach
of the peace ?—There was not, nor any appearance of one.
Did the people go away peaceably after the meeting ?—Yes.
John Macan examined by Mr. Smyley—ls a police-con-
stable. Was at Clontibret on the 15th of August. The Rev.
Mr. Tierney was there. (Witness here identified Mr. Tierney
in Court ) It was a large meeting. The Rev. Mr. Tierney
said the Union was carried by every species of fraud and cor-
ruption.
( The witness here stated some particulars of an interview he
had with Mr. Tierney previous to the meeting.)
Do you remember anything else he said ?—I do. He talked
with regard to the feeling for repeal having become general,
and had extended itself (or words to that effect) to the army.
I recollect his saying that it would not now be so easy to spill
the blood of their fellow-men who were seeking their rights
peaceably.
Repeat, and repeat slowly, what Mr. Tierney said about the
army ?—I cannot speak as to the precise words, but I will take
care not to exaggerate them. He said the army was now in
favour of repeal, and that it partook of the enthusiasm of the
people, and that they could not be led to bayonet their fellow-
men who were seeking to redress their grievances peaceably.
Do you remember anything else that passed between you ?
I do. I recollect his saying on that occasion—" See what the
army has done in Spain." This was on the 16th of June.
A juror—Was this a private conversation with Mr. Tierney ?
—I do not'know what you may esteem it. I was there on duty
to inquire about the meeting.
Was nobody present but Mr. Tierney ?—There was a per-
son with him who retired as I came; but there was nobody
within hearing at the time the conversation passed.
Mr. Smyley—You just began to say something about what
Mr. Tierney said respecting the soldiers in Spain.
Did Mr. Tierney say anything then ?-,--11e did ; the conver-
sation might have lasted about a quarter of an hour, but I can-
not charge my memory with everything that occurred.
Do you recollect anything more ?—He spoke about the As-
sociation. He said if it did not ultimately attain its object, it
would at least have done thus much—that the country would
get something else besides bayonets.
Judge Perrin—Repeat that, repeat what he did say ?—He
said that the Association, even if it should not finally or ulti-
mately succeed in gaining its object, it had done so much at
least, that the country would get other measures than the
bayonet. or words to that effect.
Mr. Moore—Did you take any notes of the conversation
with Mr. Tierney, on the 16th of June ?—I made a short
entry of the substance of some of it. 1 made an entry of that
portion of it having reference to the period at which the meet-
ing was to be held.
Have you these notes with you at present ?—I have an ex-
tract of them. Here is the note which I took of one passage
of the conversation (and that the only passage), immediately
after the conversation.
When did you take that note 7—That is part of a note which
I took on the very day of the meeting, on the 16th of June. I
entered that in my diary.
Come, come, Sir, I am not asking you anything about your
diary. Take that piece of paper in your hand, Sir, and tell me
is that the note you took of the conversation of June 16th ?
—That is a copy of the note which I entered in my diary on
the occasion in question.
What has become of your diary ?—I suppose it is at the
station in the county.
Who has the care of it there?—The senior constable. I
saw it last on the day I was coming up to town, namely,
ou the 10th of this month. I made the entry on the very day
of the conversation, but as I have already told you it only refers
to that portion of the dialogue which alluded to the time of
holding the meeting. There is no other remark upon the
same subject except that of which this document is a copy.
Read out your note.— ( Witness here read his note, which
was somewhat to the following effect :—" 16th of June. Saw
Priest Tierney upon the subject of the contemplated meeting.
He said that the time was not as yet fixed for the meeting,
that it depended on the convenience of some barristers who were
to attend, but that he would give due and proper notice to the
authorities when the day was settled," &c., &c.—(Laughter. )
Have yeti in your diary any note of Mr. Tierney's expres-
sions relative to repeal, Spain, and the army ?—No, I have not.
I did not think it necessary to make any note of them.
I did not ask you what might or might not appear neces-
sary to your sublime judgment; I merely asked you had you
any note of those expressions ?—No, I have not a word on the
subject in my diary.
Were there any magistrates at that meeting ?—There were.
Do you know their names?-1 recollect having seen Mr.
Plunkett at that meeting.
How far was he from the platform ?—About hilt' a quarter of
a mile.

Mr. Fitzgibbon—Go down, Sir.
The witness left the table.

The next witness called was Henry Twiss, examined by
Mr. Martlev, Q.C.—I am a sub-constable, and was so in
the month of August last. I was stationed at that time at
Redcross, in the county of Wicklow, which is thirty miles
distant from Baltinglass. I was at Baltinglass on the 6th of
August last. There was a Repeal meeting there that day.
I arrived at Baltinglass the evening More. I went there
on duty. I made a report to my officer of what I saw there.
I sent in my report on the morning of the next day. Thi s
document now handed to me is the report, and was written by
me. There was a great crowd at the meeting. lam not at
all in the habit of estimating numbers, but I am sure there
were, at all events, 5,000 persons at the Baltinglass meeting.
lam confident that lam greatly under the mark. I saw Mr.
O'Connell there, and others whom I don't know. The chair
was at one time occupied by a gentleman, named Copeland,
from near Dunlaviu. Another gentleman was subsequently
called to the chair. The second chairman was some person
from Kilcullen Bridge. I was at the meeting about one
o'clock. I mixed in the crowd. I was ordered to attend
the meeting in plain clothes and I did so. I saw people
coming from various directions, some came from
Carlow, others from Tallow. I was on the plat-
form at one time, at another time I was within five yards
of it. I heard people in the crowd make various political ob.
servations. I heard some people saying " Ireland was trampled
on but she shall be so no longer. The time is nearer than
you think. Let us wait patiently for some months. Ireland
was trampled an long enough but she shall be so no longer."
The meeting lasted, as well as I remember, from about half-past
two to six o'clock. I was shown Mr. Steele there that day.
I saw the Rev. Mr. Nurtagh there. He made a speech.
cannot state what he said as I made no report of it.
-examined
eabkyers.
Mr. lll‘Donogh—l took no notes of what
teas said
r:aisbdpresume that when you heard the people say, '6 the time
is nearer than you think," they were speaking of the Re-
peal of the Union ?—I could not say; but
so if you like.
You are not able to ascribe any other meaning to it ; but
the repeal of the union was the subject they were discussing ?
—lt was. you may suppose

Did you see all the people retire?—i can't say I saw them
all retire, but I saw them going away in every direction.
There was no breach of the peace at that meeting ?—Not
that I could see.
And no tendency to a breach of the peace? No; not the
slightest
Everything went off very peaceably ?—lt did.
I am exceedingly sorry you did not take ample notes of
everything that occurred there. You may go down.
Mr. Moore again begged to know whether their Lordships
would consider the traversers affected by expressions that any
individuals might think fit to use after the meeting had sepa-
rated. Their Lordships would see how dangerous the effect of
such a line of examination might be ; they had lately ruled that
if persons in coming to a meeting conducted themselves in a
particular way, and thereby gave a character to the meeting, it
would be admissible; but it struck his mind that it would be
going a very dangerous length to allow the traversers being af-
fected by conversation between individuals, when going home
from a meeting. No man could possibly be safe, if such a doc-
trine as that was held.

Mr. Hatchell followed on the same side. A party might be
affected by what took place at a meeting where he was present,
and from which he had the option of withdrawing, if he
pleased, and not affirming by his presence his sanction of the
legal, and tranquil at a meeting, when it separated his
connexion with it ceased; it was impossible for him to set
matters right, or to be answerable for the conduct or miscon-
duct, the language or declarations of those parties, or of parties
who might not have been at that meeting at all, although coming
proceedings. But, :suppose everything to have been fair,
from the direction of it—it would be surely inconsistent that a
man should be affected in character, property, liberty, or per-
haps his life, by the conversations of persons over whom he had
no control.
Patrick Lenehan sworn and examined by Mr. Tomb—l am a
police-constable. I was at Baltinglass on the 6th of August
last. I saw the people coming into the town to meet Mr.
O'Connell. I cannot say how many, but there were some
thousands there. I saw them going over the bridge of
Baltinglass on the Dublin road. I was at the meeting when
Mr. O'Connell came there. I was in plain clothes. I was
about thirty yards from the platform. I saw Father Lalor
of Baltinglass there, and Mr. Steele, and the Rev. Mr. Mur-
tagh, of Kilcullen. I heard Mr. O'Connell tell the people
that he was glad to see them there, and that he hoped they
would be there when he came again.—( Great laughter). They
all shouted at that. After the meeting was over I went across
the bridge towards Baltinglass, in the direction of the bar-
racks. The place was very much thronged. I heard some of

Did you see any other magistrates there ?—I saw Yr. Gould
about the same distance from it that the police and army were.
Oh I then, there was an army, and police, and magistrates,
there ?—Yes.

Who had the army brought there I—Why, I made report
of the meeting as soon as I heard it was to take place, and I
can't say who brought them there after that.
Tell us your opinion as to what caused them to be brought
there?—My opinion is that when the report was made to the
officer of the district, he made a report, and upon that they
were brought there.
Was that meeting a very peaceable one ?—Yes.
You saw no breach of the peace there ?—rie.
How many magistrates were there altogether ?—I think
four—Mr. Plunkett, Mr. Gould, Mr. Hamilton, and 1 believe
Captain Wilcock'.
William Thompson sworn, and examined by Mr. Baker—l
am a head constable of police. I was stationed at Castleblay-
ney, in the county Monaghan, in the month of August last. I
remember the meeting at Cloutibret on the 15th of August.
I was there on duty. I was in uniform. I remember seeing
gentlemen come on the platform. I was close to it, so that I
could hear part of the speeches delivered. I saw the chair
taken by a gentleman whom I understand to be Captain
Seaver. I heard him say something which I took a note of on
the platform. I have that note by me. I took notes of what
was said by others, besides Captain Seaver.
What did you hear Captain Seaver say ?—I heard him ask
the meeting if they had all got Repeal cards? A voice cried
out that they would. He said, " Loose no time in getting
them. I have reason for saying so. Other Associations have
signs and pass-words by which they might know each other. I
know no better way for you to know each other than by pro-
ducing your Repeal card."
Have you anything more that fell from the chairman ?—I
have.

the people saying—
Mr. Moore—Does your Lordship think this is evidence to
affect the traversers—what was said or done by the people after
et hi Ia mceteetri nt
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nng ?
Mr. Tomb submitted that the effect produced by the meet.p lac e , and whether that can give a
ing was evidence.
Chief Justice—The objection may be premature ; but I
think we cannot exclude the evidence.
the place where
Witness—l was obliged to stop on the bridge, it was so
crammed, and there was such a lot of people there ; one of
them said, " Repeal is certain now—we must get it ;" another
said, " If we do not get it quietly we will fight for it ;" another
said, " We will turn eut to a man and fight for repeal."
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mile.
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How long after the proceedings at the meeting was it you
heard these expressions?--It was not an hour.
Were the people going home from the meeting at the time?
—They were going off in every direction at the time.
Mr. Tomb respectfully submitted that this was a
proper
question to he asked, and that the evidence as to what the wit-
ness heard the people say on the bridge was admissible, on the
ground that it tended to show what the nature of the meeting
was, and the effect likely to be produced by the language used.
The people who used the expressions sworn to by the witness
appeared to be part of the crowd that met at that meeting, and
listened to what was said.
Mr. Justice Crampton (to witness)—Was it in a house you
heard those words ?

Witness—No, on the bridge.
Mr. Justice Crampton—l thought you went into a house.
Mr. Tomb—No, my Lord, he said the bridge. The Leaf
the witness was
Learned
Ho was
not aware that there was any express or direct authority upon
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meeting.
this point, but in the case of the Manchester riots, it was ruled
that the persons who seemed to have attended a meeting
showed the nature of that meeting.
Mr. Justice Perrin—ln that case it was what they said
when they. compelled others to go with them and to form part
of the meeting.
Mr. Moore thought that in the absence of authority the
Court had only to look to common sense and common justice;
and he would ask them, if, after a meeting was over, men
thought proper to act illegally, that every individual who at-
tended that meeting one hoar before, was to be made respon-
sible for that ? Such a thing was inconsistent with common
sense and justice.
The Attorney-General submitted that the evidence of
the witness was admissible. In the case of Bedford against
Burley, the circumstance arose from expressions used by the
party going to the meeting, and Nr. Justice Holroyd decided

Proceed then.—The chairman afterwards desired the people
when the meeting terminated to depart to their homes peace-
ably, and to insult no person.
Is that the whole of which you have notes of the chairman's
speech I—Yet.
Do you recollect anything the ehairman said, that you have
not on your notes ?—I do not recollect anything else.
You said you heard other speeches, and took notes of them ?
—Yes.

Do you recollect a gentleman of the name of Daunt at that
meeting ?—Yes.
Have you any note of the speech Tiede by him?—l have.
Did you hear him deliver it?—l did.
State what he said?—Mr. O'Neil Daunt said, " I bless God
that I belong to this land—l bless God that I belong to this
people. This people shall have this land if they are worthy,
and who dare say that you are not worthy. The Re real move-
ment now or never, now and for ever. If Pee and Wel-
lington came and said we will give you everything you want,
only' give up Repeal, we would not—never. Before God
we swear they shall never bully us out of it. The Irish Par-
liament would afford us the power of our keeping it, if we Lad
it ; still we will stand to ow colours, and proceed is the way

O'Connell marked out for us." The speaker, after enumerating
the different grievances he said the pec ple of Ireland laboured
under, said " in place of six struggles, one struggle will do
for all."
Mr. Baker—Read that again.
Mr. Henn—lf the Court or jury require it, I have no ob-
jection ; but I do object to counsel requiring a witness to re-
peat a thing over and over again.
Mr. Baker—l thought the words might not have been dis-
tinctly heard.
Mr. Justice Crampton—The way in which I understand the
witness was this—that the speaker, after enumerating what
he called grievances, said, " In place of having separate
battles for each of these, one battle, or one struggle would do
for all.'
Did he say anything more ?—Yes, he said, " Are we not
as good as the English ?" A voice said, " Better"—( A
laugh)—we are here to-day, to tell John Bull that we shall
have it—lreland shall be free, for Ireland deserves her liberty.
The Clontibret boys will fight the Repeal battle to the last,
with God's blessing ; to stand to our colours for Repeal, and
nothing but Repeal."
Is that the whole of it ?—lt is.
Cross-examined by Mr. Henn, Q. C.—Shew me that note ?
The witness handed up the book, which contained the passages
alleged to have been spoken by Mr. Daunt.
Were you on the platform when you took this P—l was when
I took part of it.
Did you see any magistrates ;there saw no magistrates
immediately at the platform ; they were at some distance.
How far from the platform were you when you heard Mr.
Daunt speak ?—At the end of the platform; it might have been
two or three yards from it.
Did you take down these words, " the people shall have this
land if they are worthy, and who dare say that you are not
worthy" while he was speaking ?—No, I did not ; I repeated a
part of it now from memory.
On your oath could you ever take a full note of a long sen-
tence ?—No, I eould not.
Was not the meeting perfectly quiet ?—Perfectly quiet.
And most peaceable ?—lt was most peaceable indeed. I
should say there was some disorder on getting on the platform.
That was in consequence of the pressure, was it not 7—lt was.
Was there any tendency to a breach of the peace ? —Not the
least tendency to it. The platform was crowded, and there
was a person whose duty it was to preserve order, and prevent
too many persons from going up there, or crowding it too much.
Was there any objection to your taking notes there 7--Not
the least objection.
All was done openly, and without the least appearance of
concealment ?—Yes, eertainly ; everything was done openly.l,l
James Walker sworn.
Mr. Napier was proceeding to examine this witness, when
he was interrupted by the Court, who then consulted together
for a few minutes. A directory was handed up to the Bench,
and after looking into it, the Chief Justice desired the tipstaff
to inquire if Samuel Maunsell, of 52, Leeson-street, was in
Court.

He was then called, and did not appear.
The Chief Justice then said—l am very sorry that the
progress of this important trial, and the business of the
Court, should be interrupted by a letter which has been
presented to us, very properly, by the High Sheriff ; and un-
less the gentleman who has written this paper, the contents of
which I cannot now explain, can very satisfactorily account for
it, I must apprise him, or any friend of his who may be
present, that I consider it a most improper attempt to interfere
with the High Sheriff in the discharge of the duties of his
office. He must attend the Court at its sitting in the morn•
ing, and let him be now called again.
He was again called, but did not answer.
_ _

_ _...._..
Mr. Justice Crampton—The High Sheriff has most pro-
perly handed up this paper to us—in fact he would act very
wrong if he did not.
Mr. Justice Perrin—lf any friend of that gentleman be in
Court he should apprise him of the necessity of attending here
in the morning, and to be very cautious how he conducts him-
self in the mean time.

Mr. Napier then proceeded with the examination—Do you
belong to the constabulary ?—Yes, lam a sub-inweetor. I
am stationed at Trim, in the county of Meath. I remember
the 15th of August, the day of the meeting at Tara. I was
there that day; there were two other officers of the con-
stabulary with me. I was there under the command of Capt.
Despard, stipendiary magistrate. Captain Despard was there.
I was on the ground before the meeting commenced ; when on
the ground I saw part of the people coming ; they approavhed
to the meeting from all directions. There were probably
100,000 persons present. I observed music and banners.
There were also bands; the bands generally had uniforms.
Cross-examined by Mr. Close—Was there a great crowd
there ?—Yes.

Was that large crowd together for some hours ?—Yes.
lam right in saying that the people were perfectly peace-
able 2—Yes.
Was there any thing in their conduct to create alarm ?—I
saw nothing to do so.
George Despard, Esq., sworn and examined by Sergeant
Warren.—Waa in the constabulary. Is resident magistrate in
the county Meath. Recollects the 15th August last. Was
in Trim on that day. Saw the assemblage of people in Trim
on that day. They marched through the town to Tara. Tara
is distant from Trim about six Irish miles. It would be im-
possible to estimate the numbers present ; but my own opinion
is, that there were one hundred thousand at least. The
number of those on horseback was about seven thousand. I
counted nineteen temperance bands. I did not see any person
on the platform assume the command of the people. The
meeting commenced about half-past two, and ended about four
o'clock. They parted of a sudden as if there had been some
preconcerted plan. I was standing on a ditch looking at the
procession of Mr. O'Connell coming up, and a man said it is
not gentlemen whom O'Connell wants here to-day. I turned
and looked at him with astonishment, and I asked him, " Well,
then, and whom does he want ?" and he said, " He wants
men with bone aid sinew like me, who will be able
to do the work when the harvest comes."--(Sensation.) I
asked him where did he come from. He said from the
barony of Shelmonier, and that 2,000 came with him,
and that 3,000 joined him in the county of Kildare. Mr.
O'Connell's procession having passed by, he turned round to
me and said—You did not take off your hat for Mr. O'Connell.
I answered, that I did not. He said, you do net belong to our
party; 1 replied, certainly not; I knew, returned he, by the
curl of your lip, that you did not belong to our party ; upon
which I said that I was very glad that he had told so much
truth; in truth, my man, I continued, I (for I wished to get
rid of him) am amusing myself here. When he had said these
words a man came up and said to him, you have spoken enough
to that gentleman, you had better come away now. On going
down the hill of Tara the people shouted and cheered for the fo-
reigners. They mistook Major Westeura for a foreigner. They
cried, long, life to the foreigners, without them we would never
be able to get Repeal. They shouted for Mr. Ledroolan. I
afterwards discovered that they meant M. Ledru Rollin.
Cross-examined by Mr. Hatchell-1 do not reside in Trim.
I was desired to attend at Tara on duty. I saw the people move
from Trim in the morning. I went to the end of the town to
see the people pass. Have been for twenty years stationed in
that district. My person is well known by men, women, and
children. I jumped up on a wall to see the procession pass.
The temperance bands had a new uniform. Does not know
the distance of Shelmonier from Tara. Believes it to be about
thirty miles.
Mr Hatchell—lndeed it is sixty-five miles from Dublin, add
Tara to that. Come now—

Multiplication is a vexation--
Addition is twice as bad ;
but I won't set you mad with fractions—so now dot and carry
one, and will not that make Shelmonier above seventy miles
distant ?

Who was speaking at the time you mention ?—Mr. O'Connell
was speaking at the time the people were going away. There
were two platforms, but 1 cannot tell whether one was ex-
clusively devoted to ladies. There was not the slightest ten-
dency to disturbance at any of the meetings.
John Robertson, police constable, was then sworn and ex-
amined by
Mr. Bennett, Q. C.—Was at the Clifden meeting on the 17th
September last. Saw the people passing from Connemara.
Saw them from the barracks. They were between four and
five thousand in number. The meeting was held on a flat, at
the back of which there was a rising ground. Saw the Rev.
Mr. Macnamara, the Roman Catholic curate, on horseback, at
the head of a body •f horsemen. Saw Repeal cards in their
hats. Heard them, as they came down, called " The Bailin-
skill Repeal Cavalry." The number of horsemen was about
one hundred.

Cross-examined by Mr. Fitzgibbon—Mr. Murray is a pawn-
broker, residing in Abbeygate.street. He was considered to
be a wealthy man. The persons who came with Mr. Murray
were Connemara men. Some had bridles and saddles on the
horses, but a great many were without either bridles or saddles.
The people were perfectly quiet. The policemen were walking
in and out of the barracks. Captain Ireland, the commander
of the police, was in and out of the barracks all day. There
were a great many women at the meeting. A great many of
the boys and women were barefooted. Did not see any wea-
pons with them. Many of the bridles were made of rope, and
many of their saddles were made of hay and straw.
It being now half-past four o'clock, the Court rose.
Th

to St. Petersburgh Journal of the Bth gives an
account of the solemn celebration of the betrothal of the Grand
Duchess Alexandrine Nicolaieona with Prince Frederick of
Hesse. After the ceremony the august betrothed presented
their thanks to their Majesties, who then received the felicita-
tions of all the other members of the Imperial Family. The
Archbishops and the clergy celebrated a Te Deems, and when
the prayer was offered up for the health of the Imperial Family,
a salvo of 31 shots was fired from the fortress of St. Peters-
burgh. When the religions ceremony had concluded, the tneca•
bers of the Holy Synod ofered their felicitations to their Ma-
jesties and the young couple. The same day a banquet was
given in the Great Marble Hall to persons of both sexes of the
three drat Glasses, and in the evening there was a grand dress
ball in St. George's Hall, at which were all the Ambassadors,
Foreign Ministers, and great personages of the Court. The
bells were kept ringing all day, and at night the fortress and
city were illuminated.
Taa METROPOLIS IMPROVEMENTS..—TUeSdaV, at
one o'clock, by order of the Commissioners of Wootls and
Forests, the twenty-second sale of houses to be removed for the
improvements at the west-end, took place in Thorney-streit,
Bloomsbury, on which occasion many houses situated in
Thorney-street, Duke-street, and Castle-street, were disposed
of by auction, the conditions of the purchase being that they
should be cleared away in twenty-four days. These are in the
line of street to communicate with Oxford-street and Holborn.
There are several others which have been bought, and are in
the possession of the Commissioners. Another sale is ordered
for Friday next, when some houses in Plurotree-street, Broad-
street, and Short's-gardens, will be sold to make way for the
line of street from Bow-street, Covent-garden. Where
Middle-row, Holborn, formerly stood, a foot-pavement about
eight feet wide has been laid down, adjoining the houses, and
the effect of the removal of the clump of houses has highly im-
proved the locality.:
FATAL ACCIDENTS ON THE R/TER.—On Monday
at seven o'clock, Mr. Baker held an inquest at the Spotted
Dog, High-street. Poplar, on the body of Thomas Wall, aged
16 years. It appeared by the evidence that deceased was an
apprentice on board the ship Wingrave, lying in the river off
Execution Dock, Wapping. On the evening of Wednesday,
the 20th of December last, deceased was returning to his
vessel, and had to cross a ballast lighter to get to a boat which
he imagined was lying alongside, when owing to the darkness
of the night, he missed his footing, and fell into the water. Au
alarm was immediately raised, and one man succeeded in get-
ting hold of him by one of his fingers, but the tide running
very strong at the time deceased slipped from his grasp, and
immediately sank. His body was not found until yesterday
morning, when it was picked up off the Orchard-house, Black.
wall. At the commencement of the inquiry the Coroner had
charged the jury on view of a person unknown, and the in-
quisition of an unknown person found di owned partially
signed, when a respectable young woman, named Sarah Wall,
residing at No. 102, Old-street, St. Luke's, entered the
inquest-room, and, addressing the Coroner, said she believed
the deceased to be her brother, and, if so, he had the mark of
a small anchor imprinted upon his right arm. That func-
tionary immediately requested the constable to accompany her
to view the body, and although the face of the deceased wee se
disfigured that she was unable to identify it by that means, upon
being shown his arm she at once declared that deceased was
her brother. Verdict, " Accidental death."—Mr. Baker held
a second inquest at the same time and place on the body one
who W 4
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man apparently about twenty-four years of age,
floating off Millwall, iu the river Thames. on
consequence o
last. Deceasedf
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his body was very much decomposed. S. M. were imprinted
upon his right wrist. The jury retuned an opea verdict of
"Found drowned."