The Sun.
London, England, 1844-02-23 00:00:00

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/as the effect of one of the resolutions I hold in iby.'hantl-
In the year 1641 a most frightful-massacro of the Pro-
testants of Ireland is said to: have taken place, and those
gen.tle-glan.in the Retendaidhclared that the Protestants
-of Ireland‘were then in aa perilous a condition as at-tile:
above .period, and that the slaughter of their coun-
.trymen leas contemplated by the. Roman Catholics •
Of Jrattudte-7(Hear, hear.) .But: what eltaes the Right • •
Hon. .GQotlelnan Say ? Ile referred me to a copy cf his
'speech, printatby He-did nottell us that that
topy was correekd by or by his authority.,.- But. I
have Atte speech: of the• Right Hon. -Gentleman here.
,Every one;,here knows::t.hat speech was Inade, by the
:flight, linzt,G tie:Agin; and that everybody-.iii! -Dublin A
'clittnot go, to Theni, what doer: hesa.y?aia
` L'u4 gnt'.v.Y-1,114 citcumstances-Iteinindiited
eve that
.11,onitin:sqe.tholio.- have Very little regard fir err
the .sauctity, 0ti.:41-14;qt1-n!'7l(oriea. t 4. Haar, hear.")
Z "ell now, that, wad ;(?Pftif.-aiat Wee nit-ally; prefer
it to insidieua iinputation7---(CheerS)--ete hinte, conveyed :••
With an assureption,ef.gentleness and a suavity of voice:.
1--(Hear,.hear.) Pie Gentleman (Sir
Grahairi)•feltindigimat at the proceeding, ad"pt.'d by
:the IriSh- Roman Catholics. -The feeling of indignation
entertained by them S 110 t Confined to them. you-
will admit,l-lielieve,. that,Oe Eng.isli Homan Catholics.
:are not -Repealers-thet the high Roman Catholic:
'aristocracy of England, men of .exalt,cl position
and ancient birth, and exceedinthr muderate in polities
are nottellies of, and coepariners with.; Daniel -O'Con-
nell. What.effect did Your prcreedinga produce upon
them ? • The-Eari Shrewsbury, when Right Hon.
First .
Baronet the Ft Lord of the-Treasury came into office,
Wrote letter to the Cetholics- of Ireland, in. which he -
recall:kneaded theM to support the Administration of the
Right -Honourable Baronet. What is. the -letter/which
the .Earl of Shrewabury, the. premier Earl :of: Eng-
land, now writes ? The blood of the Talbots- caught
fire at last,• wilekinstilt was offered to. hi‘co-raligienists
in Ireland? He says in his letter to Lord.Cmuoys, en
the oecasion'ot.the Catholic meeting in London, -esfier •
eipres'singliis inability to attend, that he was anxious
for_ an opportunity: of -expressing his indignation at-the
fresh 'insult that had been offered to the Catholic popu-
lation of the kingdom: by the conduct of the lavv•officers
of the CroWn in . the preliminary proceedings on•the
interesting: and important trials pending in ; Dublin.
That , comes from, a .man himself inclined • ori-
ginally to ; give his support to •tlie Administration -
of the Right • Hon. pentleman, and who wrote a letter
'in which he said that the Right-Hen. Gentleman. hail
carried Catholie • tinanciptition, ;and- that ..confidence .
should be placed in him. -These facts are startling-
(Hear, hear)=-and there is no Roman Catholic:With ono
spark of 'spirit but muit resent them. See what an
anomaly this is 1 You repeal the Catholic Emancipa-
tion Act, practically, as far.' as the jury -box .is con-
cerned.' We are admitted to the bench ._ of justice ;
you have sent there the late Baron Wolfe, and Sir Michael
O'Loghlin ; we are admitted to the Imperial Parliament •
which I, a Roman Catholic. have at present the honour
of addressing; w,e areadmitted to theßoard of Admiralty,
the Treasury, to the Board of Trade, and to the Privy
-Council.' But admitted ftS we are to; the bench of jus-
tice-admitted to the Senate--admitted to. the Admi-
ralty, the Treasury, and the Board pf. -Trade-admit-
ted as we' are to the Privy . Council of our
Sovereign,' we are excluded from the jury box.
We are excluded from the jury box, which has afforded
a refuge to Protestant ascendancy, and has thus become
invested with the most odious form of that detestable do-
minationH(Cheers)-and yet the Noble Lord the S-
ecretary for Ireland perseveres in his professions, and
tells us that he is exceedingly anxious for the adminis-
tration of justice.-(Cheers.)- At the. last London
'election some person in. the crowd asked Mr.-Baring
if he was for free trade. Oh, yes,. said Mr. Baring,
" I am for , free trade is the abstract."-( A laugh.)
" Will you vote for a repeal of the corn-laws?" asked
the man. " Oh," replied Mr. Baring, " that is quite
another thing."-(Cheers and laughter.) So the Noble
Lord is for an impartial administration of justice in the
'abstract, but when he is asked will he...admit Catholics
into the jury Lox, he replies, " Oh, that is quite another
thing."-(Loud cheering.) But it may be possibly from
intirwity of Purpose . that the Noble -Lord takes that
course. Not so with Lord De Grey--(Louti cheers)
against whom I have a most serious charge to make con-
nected with this trial; and I hold in key handtkineans
of substantiating that
.charge.-(hear, hear.) ' The
House. has doubtless heard'of the existence of an Asso-
.ciation in Dublin, called the Protestant Operative Asso-
ciation. 1 allude to this: Xssociatioe-first. as • ilaa- •
trating the results of the policy of the present Govern-
meet ; and secondly, as illustrating the eonseetiences of
your sacerdotal institutions.-(Lad cheer.) I hold in
my hand extracts trom the debates of that --ociety, some
of which will read to the ilouee; Popery is denoaii •
rutted a God-destroying, Christ-blaspheming, Bible-
denying superstition.-((sheers and- laughten) Now,
this is from an addreas to the people of England. They
denominate Popery gross idolatry, the monstrous pro-
geny of Satan, and the whole concludes with a panegyric
upon the Hon. Member for Knaresboreugh-(Laud
laughter)-whose arrival in Dublin, which was then
expected, .is stated .as an event which every Irish Pro-
testant must contemplate with sentiments of gratitude.
(Cheers and laughter.) That Hon. Gentleman the
Other night read a speech which he attributed to me.
He made, a mistake ; that speech was not made
by me, but by a .cousin of mine residing in
Cork, and it . was made against me, for he
said that if he did so and so he should be as bad as
Sheil.-(Cheers and laughter.) I asked him
*here he fotmd the- speech ; the Hon. Member, showed
it.me in the "Annual Register." It was a mistake to
attribute to me ; the lion. Gentleman made the mistake,
but I certainly acquit him of any intention to misrepre-
sent me.-(Cheers.) This Dublin Protestant Operative
Association presented an address to Lord 1)e Grey im-
mediately atter the proclamation was issued. On the
13th October, the Dublin Operative Protestant Associa-
tion presented an address to Lord De Grey, in which,
after speaking of the dispersion of the Clontarf meeting,
they spoke of-the sacrifice of the mass as a blasphemous
fable--(Hear, hear)-dangerous to and destructive of
Christianity-that the people of England had insisted
upon the abolition of idolatry in India, and that it ibis
necessary for the good of Ireland that a law should be
made for the total abolition of Popery.(Hear, hear.)
Now that was an'address presented to Lord De Grey at
a great public crisis-at a time when the public mind
was agitated: to its profoundest depths. Now what was
Lord De Grey's :answer?-(Hear, hear.) Did he
deneunce the-insult thus offered to his fellow-country-
men,and, through them, to himself ?- (Loud cheers.)
When he came to Ireland; he said his Sovereign, when
she had sent him there, had charged him to be careful of
the interests of Ireland,.for she was peculiarly solicitous
for the welfare of her Irish people -(Loud cheers.)
Now what was the answer which he, who had received
so-solemn a charge, and from whom the benevolent in-
tentions' of'his Sovereign should have been reflected-
(Loud cheers)-what was the answer which he had re-
turned to that address ? I will read it :-" I hare in
command from his Excellency the Lord-Lieutenant to
Oknowledge the receipt cif the address of the Dublin
Operative Protestant Asociation, and his Excellency
desires me to make known to those members of the As-
sociation itho have signed it his warmest acknowledge-
inents--(linmense cheering)-for their expression of
their feelings of kindness and confidence.:'--(Cheers and
counter cheers.) Now will the first Lord of the .Trea-
sury justify the answer?--(lmmense cheering.) I need
pot repeat the question. I know that he .will not.-
(Load cheers.) The Secretary o' State for the Home
Department will say that it- was injudicious ; and as for
the Noble Lord opposite -(Lord Stanley), Who is fast
Ps!evp—(lmmense cheering, and laughter, during which
Lord Stanley roused himself and .bowed to the Right
llon. (Gentlethan.)--Ibeg.te.liand him tb: doe.uw•nts to
furnish materials fur his .next :` i'vtatry,"
(Immense,cheerint.).. Now I, have net said. 0110 VP;
about the trials,..aiall shall say but i'itle about them. •
I shall nay but, little ge of the ChiefJustioe,•
because I %v as the.counsel " on the other side."-(Cheers.)
One observation, however, I must-aeake. .The Noble
Lord opposite remonstrated with us the other night en.
Our want of dedency,--our want of respect to. the Bench
in venturing to attack the char go of a judge. Now those
who heard. the speech. the :other day are not, per-
haps, aware that .the, Noble Lord who considered it so
indecent in us to cast reflections on the Chief Justice,
himself denounced Baron Smith' in this House,. and
voted for un inquiry into his conduct.-(Loud cheers.)
For inquiry into a charge of .Baron Smith's.. (11e-
neived cheering.)
Lord STANLEY-Not for an inquiry into a aharge.
Mr. SHF_IL----You voted for a Committee to inquire
into a speech made from the Bench.
• -Lord STANLEY-No.
Mr. SHEIK--A, motion wits made in this House fur a
Committee to inquire- into a charge delivered by Baron
Smith from the bench to a grand . jury of the county of
Dablin.-(Cheers..) The Secretary of State for the
Home Department will perhaps be able to tell him, for
• he voted against the Noble Lord.-(Cheers.) lie was
shocked at ,•the Noble Lord's conduct.(Cheers and
laughter.) On that occasion the Noble Lord and the
Secretary for the Home Department were divided.-
(Cheers and laughter.) Only one star appeared en that
()Cession' in Gemini. - (Cheers and laughter,)
But let . us pass from that to consider the
moral effect of the verdict--(Hear, hear, and
Cheers.) Do you expect any beneficial effects
from that verdict?--(Loud cheers.) Why, the Home
Secretary was, the other night, compelled to admit that
there were circumstances connected with those trials
that he considered
.matter of regret.-{Cheers.) Now,
if there were circumstances which he regretted, he
might; I think, have spared the phrase " convicted con-
spirators."-(Loud cheers.) But. even if the verdict
would be untainted---he is an Englishman, and ought
not to strike a man when he is down.-(Lond cheers,
during which Sir James Graham said something across .
the table which we could not catch.) Well ! per-
haps I ought not- to have said so. At all events, I; sill
say that the phrase " convicted conspirators " is an
infelieitous -expression, and that, in his' cooler moments,
the -Right Hon. Gentleman would wish be bad not used it.
Is'the moral cflect of the verdict likely to be inereased
by the speeeh-of -the Noble: Lord, the Secretary far
the Colonies.-(Cheers.) It was made some days ago,
but it is worth remembering.--(Cheers and counter
`cheers.}: It will be .remembered -in Ireland-(Cheerse• -
and- counter -cheers)-and- it may be remembered in •
-Canada.--(Opposition cheers.} Now my Friend,,Ml:-..-
Fon'olanque, .ha s very justly remarked, that every spr.
of- the Noble Lord reminded one of a blistern,
very Shining flies:- (Cheers.) And if the
Ilonoerable Baronet at the headzti;
ment could- only bave• Noble Lord tnadt
thatr e -
his• usual
land did not. now-:belong-
prudence, if he had toldi
department,tl.BllCoiitsl
.tel;_7freh°l.. iscreetly(rif he
state
remembered the of
the -people of that
thollerinugldonbe-
ni?gdhthhoeva r!ohuesefdeeblyi-n feelings
ch°•€topics-but the Noble
provinceLc+rd cowed
not..elonr hitnsttlf the opportunity of giving
goinewliat pharasaical uponthe Catholic oath.
.114i•litha tbstb Jieacling
laugh.) such was 114 etalha4i.;4, lie read It with shu