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The clause was then agreed to, and ordered to stand
part of the Bill.
On clause 2, which fixes the maximum rate of interest
at 31., being proposed,
Mr. HUME proposed, as an amendment, that there
should be a minimum of 2/. 18s. 4d., instead of a maxi-
mum of 3/.
Mr. B. DENISON supported the amendment.
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 3,4, and 5 were also put, arid agreed to.
Clause 6 was agreed to, after a short discussion.
Clatises up to 12 were agreed to, after some verbal
amendments.

Clause 13 was agreed to with a few verbal amend-
ments, as were clauses up to 20.
The remaining clauses were agreed to; the House re-
sumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on
Monday.

be no necessity for the introduction of such a novel system.
He hoped, if other alterations should be found necessary,
the Government would introduce a Bill next session, and
the sensible portion of the public would be thankful to
them for their exertions.
Mr. BICKEIAM ESCOTT thought it would be diffi-
cult to say whether the general effects of the law had done
harm or good. In some unions in which it had reduced
the rates, it had reclaimed a vagabond population, whilst
in others the rates had been increased, and both rate-
payers and paupers were dissatisfied. He congratulated
the Right Hon. Gentleman on having introduced such a
useful scheme of education into the present Bill—a
scheme which contained all the good but none of the
evil of the education measure of last year. With re-
gard to out-door relief, as the subject was important, he
would again state what he had previously said on the
subject. As had been remarked by the Hon. Member
for Finsbury, two justices possessed the power of order-
ing out-of-door relief to old people out of work. But
the board of guardians also possessed the power in cases
of emergency. The Commissioners had excepted from
their prohibitory order all cases of sudden and urgent
necessity, leaving it entirely to the boards of guardians to
determine what cases were cases of sudden and urgent
necessity.—(hear, hear.) It had been sail that the law
had caused the recent calamitous events in Suffolk and
Norfolk; that the peasantry, goaded to desperation, had,
out of a spirit of revenge, destroyed the property of their
superiors. He did not believe that such a state of baleful
feeling existed among the peasantry of this country.
They knew that everywhere labour was the lot of the
multitude, and that the lot of ease was that of a few only;
and they also knew that attempts of this kind would only
aggravate their sufferings, and end by bringing on them
the vengeance of the law, for he trusted that the law
would always be found strong enough to vindicate the
rights of property. He was satisfied that they never
would have an economical system for the relief of the
poor until they returned to parochial divisions—(Hear)
—or at least until they had smaller divisions than the
unions now in existence ; and he would quote the autho-
rity of the Duke of Wellington in support of his argu-
ment. The Hon. and Learned Member then quoted the
opinion of the Duke of Wellington, which was to the
effect that the present law was only for the purpose of
bringing back the law of the 43d of Elizabeth. He
begged again to express his sincere pleasure at the fe-
licitous termination of this Bill, and the improvements
which it had undergone in Committee.
Captain PECHELL asserted that the people of
Brighton, however their opinions might have been mis-
represented, were entirely averse to the interference of
the Poor-law Commissioners.
Mr_ 13.1.3 ac qiid, tho olaangco
which had taken place in the poor-law during the pre-
sent session, it must not be considered that the question
was finally settled. It would be open to every Hon.
Member in future sessions to propose further modifica-
tions. Among the defects of the present measure was
the immense extent of some of the unions, which was
in all respects disadvantageous and inconvenient to the
poor, but in none more than the difficulty of obtaining
medical aid, which the extent of these unions in
most cases involved. He hoped it would be found prac-
ticable to limit the expense of the machinery of the
system. With these observations, and congratulating
the House on the improvement which had been made in
the law, he would not trespass further on their attention.
Mr. BARNARD regretted that the Right Hon,
Baronet had not conceded the power to two magistrates,
which several Hon. Friends had so strongly pressed
upon the Government.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the question of medical relief
was under the consideration of a Committee, over which
Lord Ashley presided. He did not mean to say that the
present system of medical relief was perfect, and would
be happy to make such changes in the law on a future
occasion as, with due consideration to economy, would
afford greater accommodation to the poor, and more
adequate remuneration to medical officers. He felt
deeply indebted to both sides of the House for the
favourable manner in which they had received the Bill,
and tendered every Hon. Member his sincere acknow-
ledgments. With respect to the bastardy law, a very full
discussion took place on the power of appeal, in Com-
mittee, and the Bill contained the almost unanimous
opinion of that Committee. He would not trespass
further on the attention of the House.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved the third reading of the
Turnpike Trusts Bill.
After a few observations from Viscount EBRINCTON
and Mr. CRIPPS, the Bill was read a third time.
JOINT-STOCK BANKS REGULATION BILL.
This Bill was read a third time, and passed.
The Transfer of Licenses (Post-horses) Ireland Bill
was read a third time and passed.
GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS (IRELAND)
BILL.
This Bill was road a third time, and passed.
The Consolidated Fund (6,969,8561. 10s. 3d.) Bill was
read a seccead time, and ordered to be committed on
Monday.

Mr. WILLIAMS said that:the Right lion. Gentle-
man seemed to have given more consideration to the
correspondence that night than he had last night.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved the omission of the clause
which he had brought up last night respecting the
sheriff, to which the lion. Member for Finsbury took
an exception, and, in his opinion, a well founded ob-
jection.

- The motion was agreed to, and a new clause was sub-
stituted in itc place. Tho report was then received, and
the Bill was ordered to be read a third time at twelve
o'clock on Monday.
SLAUGHTERING HORSES BILL.
The report on this Bill was brought up and received.
The Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday.

PRIVY COUNCIL BILL.
The House resolved itself into Committee on this
Bill. Clauses Ito S were agreed to.
Mr. ELPHINSTONE moved the following clause :
"And be it enacted, that in all cases of appeal to her
Majesty in Council from ecclesiastical courts, and from
admiralty or vice-admiralty courts, which have been,
now are, or may hereafter be depending, in which any
person duly monished, or cited, or requested to comply
with any lawful order or decree of her Majesty in Coun-
cil, or of the. Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, or
their surrogates, made before or after the passing of this
Act, shall have neglected or refused, or shall neglect or
refuse, to pay obedience to such lawful order or decree,
or shall have committed or shall commit any contempt
of the process under the seal of her Majesty in ecclesias-
tical mid maritime causes, it shall be lawful for the said
Judicial Committee or their surrogates to pronounce
such person to be contumacious and in con-
tempt, and after he shall have . been so pro-
nounced contumacious and in contempt, to cause pro-
cess of sequestration to issue under the said seal of
her Majesty against the real and personal estate, goods,
chattels, and effects, wheresoever lying, within the domi-
nions of her Majesty, of the person against or upon whom
such order or decree shall have been made, in order to
enforce obedience to the same,• and payment of the ex-
penses attending such sequestration, and all proceedings
consequent thereon, and to make such further order in
respect of, or consequent on, such sequestration, and in
respect to such real and personal estate, goods, chattels,
and effects sequestrated thereby, as may be necessary, or
for payment of money arising from the same to the per-
son to whom the same may be due, or into the registry
of the High Court of Admiralty and Appeals, for the
benefit of those who may ba ultimately entitled thereto."
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had great doubts whe-
ther the Committee could pass the clause without the
consent of the Crown, as it would interfere with the pre-
rogative of the Urown.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he should
oppose the clause.
Mr. AGLIONBY supported the clause. He appre-
hended that the consent of the Crown was not necessary,
and if it were, it might be obtained through the Govern-
ment. He suggested, however, that the clause should
be withdrawn, and brought up again on the report.
The clause was then postponed.
The Chairman reported progress, the House re-
sumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on
Monday next.
The House then adjourned at a Quarter-past Nine.