The Sun.
London, England, 1868-04-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

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HOUSE OF LORDS—Tuts EVENING.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at five o'clock.

PARTITION BILL.
This bill was committed and passed.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPLEMENTAL ACT.
This bill was committed and pasted.
THE PROMISSORY OATHS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed. -
RITUALISM.
In answer te 'Esrl SIIAPITSBUIt;
The Earl of MALMESBURY said that the report of
• the Royal Commission on Ritualism had been pri•aer.ted
to her islajosty, and th,t he would answer his lordship's
question in a day or two.

.TLIE irasu cp,unur'.
• Tho Earl of DE it Y said that he was (yu • •le aware that.
If he were to enter into any o the Resolutions which were
now before the !louse of cof minons he would be out of
order. But before the Easter.ess there was a great
question brought forward which he might advert to.
There wore three' resolutions which were to be pro-
posed—the first, the expediency of disestablishing. the
Irish Cno new
hurch ; 2ndly, that rppoiutments should
be made with regard to that Church and 3rdly, that an
address should be submitted to the Crowne'; that its patronage
as to the great dignitaries of the Church should be placed
at the disposal of the Houle of C(tha
earl then adverted to the course puin-niedns. Tho noble
by a end-
ninent person in the House of Commons, and c
by
to the
enunciation of opinion which had been n
earl opposite (Earl Russell) as to the position oyfthheenfoln)sir
Church, and stated that the views of the nob'eo:ro s
l less
than n t
changed from time to time, and since he left
than four changes had come over him. Thequestion was on
e
of the most important, it was whether or not the S. t a
should counect itself with the religious education of tll:
country, but the noble earl had said that he was
quite willing that no religion at all should be
supported. The question he desired to put to the
noble earl was what would be the course pursued in that
house if, as he thought it would be, that the. resolutions
were passed in the other house, whether it was the inten-
tion of the nob!o earl to bring this unexpected subject
before their lordships' house for their opinion upon it?
Lord Derby then "advertedlo the speech of Etrl Russell
at S. Jarnea'e Hall. He
„thought. that, during this Par-
liamt;ut, which had but a few months to live, his right
hon. friend who was at the head of the GoVernment
and who certainly had not anything to do with this pre-
sent Parliament, would not through any factious oppo-
sition resign their offices until they had the opinion
of a more extended constituency than that whic‘a et
present existed. Ile again adverted to the conduct of
Earl Russell in 1835 when Lord Melbourne iutroduced
a bill as to the question of tithes, and he said that ho
was quite prepared to imagine that he would give • Mr.
Gladstone the same advice as to his course as the ono he
himself adopted in that year, but there was no parallel
between that question, and this was a case in which it
would be better to call upon the Crown to act upon
Resolutions of the House of Commons in defiance of Acts
of Parliament, which could not be done, and in this matter
the:noble earl was wrong. He would not impute motives! but
in 1835 the noble earl misted Sir R, Peel from office, and
although defeated remained in office, and had the satisfac-
tion of settling the Tithe question, and those who opposed
had for 33 years the pleasure of remaining unable to
do anything in the matter, which the noble earl
himself had opposed. He hoped that during
the short time that Parliament should last that
there should not be the introduction of a bill which, in-
stead of promoting concord, would introduce discord
andirreligious rancour and animosity, and he trusted there
would not be the formation of a new Ministry founded
upon the rejection of a measure upon which tho two
Houses of Parliament must be divided.
Earl RUSSELL • said that he thought the course
pursued by the noble Earl was somewhat
extraordinary. Ho said 'that he would not bring
forward the Resolutions, but that ho would discuss the
effect of those Resolutions. If a member of the House of
Commons did so, he would be quite in order, but in this
house, while the debate was going on in the other
house it was quite unusual. For himself he must say that
his motive was that he wished to see the Union of Ireland
with England become a complete combination, and that
was what, in his political career, he had always sought to
effect.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS—THIS EVENING
The SPEAKER took the Chair at 4 o'clock.
CUSTOM HOUSE OFFICERS.

. ln reply to Ur. Ci'LAVES,
Mr. S. 800711 said the committee had not yot made
any report as to inquiries into the grievances of the Cus-
tom-house officers. It had been intended to extend the
inquiry to the outposts, but ho could not say whoa that
inquiry wouldtako place. - • -
THE FORTIFICATIONS.

In roply .to Mr: O'BEIRNE,
Sir J. PAKINUTON said it was quite true that he
had nominated a committee to inquire Into the state of the
coast defences, and he had done so in- order that the
truth might be ascertained with respect to the condition
in which the defences were at the present time; as nume-
rous newspaper at-ides and anonymous communications
Stated they were in a very defective condition. The com-
mittee he had appointed was one above suspicion, and one
the members of which were persons of honour and com-
petency. When the report was made the whole truth
would be learned on the matter, as he should place a copy
of it on the table of the house.

REGISTRATION OF ELECTORS.
Sir E. BULLER asked the That Lord of the Treasury
when he proposed to introduce the bill for the amend-
ment of tile law relating to the registration of eloctera in
counties and boroughs in England and Wales ?
Mr. DISRAELI said he did not know that he WAS
under a promise to introduce a bill on the subject men-
tioned. The Boundary Commission, as far as he know,
would deal to a certain extent with the matter.
TELEGRAPHIC COMMUNICATION WITH INDIA.
Mr. D. NICOL asked the First Lord of the Admiralty
whether, in the present unsatisfactory state of telegraphtc
communication with the East, steps were being taken to
ascertain the soundings between the English Channel
and Gibraltar, and along the Mediterranean to Alexandria,
as also from entrance of Red Sea to Bombay, for the pur-
pose of facilitating and encouraging the early establish-
ment of an independent and more efficient and economical
telegraphic communication with India than now exists.
Mr. COItRY said that deep sea soundings between
Malta and Alexandria is the possession of the Govern-
ment, so also were they between A len an l B nubeY•
There was no difficulty therefore in laying cables; to I idia
es far as soundings wore concerned.
RIBBONISM IN IRELAND.
Mr. EYKYN asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland
whether it was the intention of her Majesty'e Government,
in consequence of thO bar,arous murder that recently took
place in the county of Westmeath to apply to Parliament
for extension of their powers under the suspension of the
Habeas Corpus Act, as 'to enable them to adopt ;spinet
Ribbonism and agrarian outrage the same course that had
been so successfully adopted for the suppression of Feniau-
ism in Ireland.

The Earl of MAYO said ha did not think the state of
the country would justify the Government in extending
the suppression of the Habeas Corpul Act to any other
offence than Fenianism.

FEVER IN THE MAURITIUS.
In reply to Mr. WHALLEY,
Sir J. PA.KINGTON said the fever, happily, was de-
er, acing, as was also the mortality,up to the dugs of the
latest intelligence. There had been
but happily 'seat deal of Hitless
very few deaths. Theein grant
had affected
women and children more than man.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. VERNER said ho had heard it rumoured that the
debate on the Irish Church was to close by arrangement
to-night. Now he wished to know if such was the case
what opportunity. would be offered to those who repre-
sented northern constituencies in Ireland of expressing
their opinions on the subject of the Irish Church ?
Mr. DISRAELI said there had been some talk on the
matter last night, but ha found that the attempt to regu-
late the debate was a subject of great difficulty. It was
wished that a decision should be taken to a distinct
issue—(hear,. hear) -and he should offer no obstacle to
that being done. But it appeared that several hon. mem-
bers wished to express their opinions, and therefore it
would be for the house to express its view of the matter.
Mr, GLADSTONE said there was no desire to unneces-
sarily proleog the debate on his side of the house, because,
as far as the specific question was concerned, it had been
practically and thoroughly debated.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
The adjourned debate on the resolutions submitted by
Mr. Gladstone was resumed by
Colonel BARTTELOT denying that the great mass of
the Irish people were discontented with the state of the
Established Church as it at present existed in Ireland.
The agitation was got up by others from interested
motives rather than from any other circurnstanca.
Ho contended that the quietness of the north part of Ire-
land, which had remained loyal, whilst Fenianism was
rampant in the south, was solely to be attributed to the
existence of the influeuce of the Established Church. The
great panacea for the pacification of Ireland wculd be the
passing for her laws as liberal as those enacted for other
parts of Great Britain, Lie hoped the great Conservative
party would to a man vote against the resolution proposed
by the hon. gentleman opposite.
Mr. BUXTON said he really had t) offer his sympathy
.to the right bon.'gentleman the First Lord of the Trea-
sury in his being compelled to march through Coventry with
such a ragged regiment of reasons as those paraded by his
supporters. (Laughter.) The house had been also inun-
dated with the Lord Plunkett argument and others ahiut
the coronat:ou tatli, but the only one that ho had hoard
that had the smallest show of respectability about it was
that the precedent set in Ireland would certainly
result in the - same course being followed with
regard to &gland. In answer to that, he bad
only to say that the course pursued with respect to the
Established Church in Ireland was dictated solely by
justice. (Hear, bear.)
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

HOUSE Or COMMONS—LAST EVENING.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
(Continued from our Third Edition of last evening.)
Sir F. HEYGATE moved, as an amendment to the
first resolution, the following—" That so long as the Union
betwoen Great Britain and Ireland continues to exit, it
is just and consistent that the principle of the Established
Church should be maintained in Ireland, and its endow-
ment on a scale suitable to the wants of the population."
Mr. HORSMAN, after remarking that na one yet had
ventured to defen4 the Well Church as having done its

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duty as an Establishment, defended the L'beral party from
the chargelhat they had neglected the question when in
office, and were now precipitately intruding it for personal
objects. It was the obstinacy of the Conservative Opposi-
tion which had prevented the settlement of this and other
kindred questions, and he maintained that it bad been
first raised this session by Lord Mayo's speech, sug-
gesting "levelling-up." He entered, too, at length into
the dispute between Mr. Gladstone and Mr. Hardy,
and provoking • frequent contradictions from Mr.
Hardy, vindicated Mr. Gladstone from the charge
of sudden and unexpected change of opinion,
and by numerous quotations from newspapers and leading
articles showed that he was understood in 1865 to have
pronounced against tho Irish Church. Ho confessed that
at that time disestablishment seemed unlikely evcr to be
proposed by a Liberal Minister, but the question had come
rapidly to tho front, and for this the Conservative party
were chiefly responsible by the fundamental change they
ha I sanctioned last year. Neverth,less, had not the Go-
vernment challenged them to it by their inadequate Irish
programme and theirpolicy of general endowment, he should
have deprecated any sudden revival of the question. But
now it had become necessary that the Liberal party should
affirm their counter policy of universal diseudowasent and
disestablishrnent, and for chat purpose the three resolutions
must be pressed bud carried. To another accusation

brought against the Lib,ral party, that they were only
allXioll4 to turn out the Government, Mr. Horstnan repli, d
in a vein of sarcastic banter by assuring the Ministry
that their opponents were clear that they were best pro-
moting disestablishment bykeepiug them in office. Of nine
members of the Cabinet, eight w,,re understood to be iu
favour of disestablishment, an I though the ninth—Mr.
.11.irdy—obstinately refused to bring his mind to it—the
disestablishment of the Ministry w..s a more important
consideration with him—on that point he had no differ-
ences with any of his colleagues.
The debate was closed for the night by Lord JOHN
MANNERS, who, after a few remarks in reply to Mr.
Horstnan, denying Particularly that disestablishment had
ever been proposed' by a Liberal Minister, and pledging
the Government to retire from office the moment they saw

that course would be most beneficial to .the Established
Church, went on to discuss at some length the language
and objects of tho first resolution. The disestablishment•
of the Church of Ireland was not needed for the peace and
prosperity of the country, and for no purpue, in fact, but
the reunion of the Liberal party. Ile showed the difficulty
of applying disestablishment to all part of Ireland, dilated
on the magnitude and novelty of the resolution involved,
and pointed out that exactly the same principles might
be applied with greater force to the case of England. The
real issue to be submitted to :he country was, not the Irish.
Church, but the separation of Church and State.

The adjournment of the debate was moved by Colonel
BARTTELOT, and ou this question there was a very sharp
conversation. Mr. GintysTosE expressed a hope that as
this, his first resolution, had been practically debated for
four days, the division would be taken on it to-night.
Mr. DISRAELI replied that the Government attached
the greatest weight to this first resolution, though the
second and third involved important legal and constitu-
tional difficulties. Being anxious, therefore, that it should
receive the fullest discussion, and that the real principle
and consequences of Mr. Gladstone's new Irish policy
should be placed unmistakably before the country, he de-
clined to commit himself to any understanding to close the
debate to-night.

Mr. AYIITON reminded the Premier of the numerous
important bills which remained to be discussed, and
pressed him not to prolong a hopeless resistance after tho
house had virtually pronounced it 3 opinion by so large a

majority.
Mr. DISRAELI denied that the last division had been
taken on the same issue as was presented by the reso-

ution.

Mr. WHITBREAD was of opinion that, considering
the press of other business, it might be the duty of the
house to insist on the debate being closed to-night, but
Sir G. Bowyer, Mr. Whalley, Mr. Newdegate, Mr. No-
vill-Grenville, and Sir John Hay all protested against this.
Mr. GLADSTONE wound up the conversation by au
intimation that if greater spirit and novelty were not im-
ported into the debate to-night, and if there was a strong
feeling against prolonging it, ho should be in favour of
pressing for a division.

The debate was then adjourned.
Some other business was disposed of, and the house ad
journed at ono o'clock.

THE FENLIN TRIALS.

(Continued frs:n our First Edition)

In cross-examination by Ernest Jones the wit-
ness was severely tested as to his knowledge of
Burke in America. Did not know when he was
promoted, or under what General he served. The
first time he saw Burke in Liverpaol was in April
or May, 1866. It was about the middle or latter
part of January, 1867, that Burke said he had been
sent from Stephens. Burke and Doran. were the
first against whom he had given evidence. C Juld not
say against how many he had given evidence. Only
two had been acquitted. II id received nothing but
brard and clothing. Expected to receive a good
deal, for he hal done the country a great deal of
good. H►d said in Ireland that he expected to re-
ceive s mie thousands. Was receiving Fenian pay
during the time he was giving information.

To Mr. Peter—Saw Shaw first at Austin Gib-
bon's house in Queen Anne-street, Liverpool. 'Wit-
ness remained in Liverpool from April, 1866, to
February, 1857. Could not say that he had stated,
when before the magistrate, that Shaw had re-
ceived 30s. to take Win to Ireland.

To the Solicitor-General—Had not sworn in any
Fenians since he gave information to the police.
Burke remained standing during the whole of
the examination of this witness, and wrot' down
every answer that affected the case against himself.
John Delany, a member of the Feaian Brother-
hood, had known Burke as a Fenian, both in
America and in this country.
To Mr. Ernest Jones—Could not say how much
he had received for his information. had said,
when he went to give information, that he did it for
the sake of a reward. Had been in the army in
America, but left when it was found there Was a
chance of war.

A witness named Massey further idcntifi3i him
as having been connected with the attempt to
compass a rising in Ireland. At one of the meet-
ings Burke ani other oflict...rs volunteered their
services. They were to proceed to
England to
await orders. Before witness left New York
Stephens had been deposed, as it was found he was
a fraud. Oa cawing to London witness again saw
Burke, and lodged with him at 7, Tavistock street,
Tottenham Court-road. It was by his instructions
that Burke went to Ireland.

Cross-examined by Mr. Ernest Junes—Found
Burke in New York in December, 18GG. Was in
the Land Transport Corps in the Crimea. Had
never passed himself off as " Reclan Hassey." Had
not deserted from the army. Since giving informa-
tion, had been supported by the Government. Was
betrayed-by the last witness Corrigan.
The court adjourned till to-morrow morning at
ten o'clock.

L'iNDON GAZETTE-THIS EVENING.

SPOATING INTEL LIGENJL.-- DAy

NEWIIARKET RACES-THIS DAY.

Y ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.
SWEEPSTAKES OF 300 SOVS.
A Sweepstakes of 300 sous each, 100 ft ; four year olds ;
colts, Bst 101 b, fillies 80t 51b. B.U. 4 subs.
...............

w.o.
PLATE OF 100 SOVS.
A Plate of 103 sous (handicap), for three year olds and
upward. ; Criterion Course.
Witchcraft .
Tumbler .
Peer .

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Eighteen ran.
PLA FE OF 100 SO S.
'A Plate of 180 sots; threo year otds 7st 21b, four Bst 101 b,
five 9st 1113, six and aged gat 21b ; the winner to be soli
for 300 sovs ; if for 100 sous allowol 71b, if not for sale
71b extra ;

Loz .ngo
Knight of the Garter

1

Four mu.

SWEEPSTAKES 200 SOVS.
A Sweepstakes of 20:) slvs each, h ft, for two year olds ;
colts 8,,t 71b, hlli.,s Bst 51b; wilnors 51b extra. Last half
of It.ll. 5 sub+.
Sister to Hermit
w.o.
TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS.
Tho Two Thousand Guineas Stakes, a subscription of 100
soya each, h ft, for three year olds ; colts Bst 101 b,
fillies Bst 51b ; the secoad to save his stake ; 113/1.; 101
subs.

Moslem
(Challoner) lt
Formosa
(Fordham)
St. Ronan
• • (Custance) 3
Green Sleeve
Rosicrucian
Chelsea (Snowden) 6
Harvester (Aldcroft) 7
Le Sarazzin (Gritushaw) 0
Sunstroke (Cannon) 0
King Alfred (Norman) 0
Vale Royal (J. May) 0
Irenmaster
• . (Clements) 0
B inditto (Perry) 0
Pace (Daley) 0
Betting.-5 to 2 each agst Green Sleeve and
Formosa, 8 to 1 each agat Le Sarrazin, Rosicrucian,
and Vale Royal, 10 to 1 agst Pace, 100 to 8 agst Moslem,
15 to 1 agst St. Ronan, 40 to 1 each agat Chelsea and Iron-
roaster.

At the first attempt the fl ►g fell to a capital start, the
lot being stretched in a line across the course, Formosa
showing slightly in front, closely attended by Moslem,
Rusicrucian, Green Sleeve, and the Frenchman, Vale Royal,
St. Ronan, Ironmaster, and Harvester next. They ran thus
with little variation to the Bushes, when Formosa and
Moslem drew away together, and, alter a splendid finigh.
made a dead heat of it, St. Ronan being third, about a
couple of lengths from the dead heaters.

(BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.)
(From our own Correspondent.)

NEWMARKET, Tuesday.
My selection for the Two Thousand has, to my
surprise, only run a dead heat. The race has
been established for fifty-nine years, and a
similar circumstance never took place before.
Moslem has walked over, and the stakes divided,
which leaves the One Thousand Guineas at the
mercy of Formosa. Moslem is an improving horse
and is well worth backing for a place for the
Derby. A FRESH MAN.