The Sun.
London, England, 1850-04-26 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

F.d'TT;3.4, i-195
4-4 , Aprzi from
Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition ,„ 0
Colut:el ti,e 1.,,,rd-Lieutenant of the c00n,`,4,
Denbigh, and, three other gentli--men, cumplaining tr 0/
certain railway which ran through that county 13auffa-d
into the hands of certain propriet >rs of collieries, v,ll°, by
abused the powers conferred on them by Parliarao";ed
currying their own coals at; a ;ess rce than they "rf.o
the coals of other proprietors. He believed that tbi6``p,
not a singular instance in which collierypropti't°,,
who were Lis() railway directors, had, in a similar 117
ner, abused their trust.
„„.i5ll
Earl NELSON presented a petition from the P"h-c
of Plympton, against an increase in the number of
shops.
TITLES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS
(SCOTLAND) BILL. T./AO
On the motion of the Marquis of BREADAL--„r.
this Bill was passed through Committee, sad some
bal amendments were introduced.
ALTERATIONS IN PLEADINGS 13ILL,

This Bill t asmql through Comnri;t;.---
PIRATES HEAD MONEY REPEAL 1:4"14-'tje
On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWI"'
house I.( solved itself into Committee on this nil. the
The Earl of ELLENI3OROUGII objected toh e
tAiginatiz'ng Forgoes as pirates until they should, iltivki
been convicted of piracy. The words of the Bill 1",,63.
have been "alleged pirates." The Noble Lord ate
eluded by proposing a verbal amendment calculate
mee hie t t. objection.
The Earl of MINTO defended the wording Of
lye
clause. ad
After a few observations from the Earl of 111.NTO $
Lord COLCHESTER, • ,
Earl GREY said ho had no objection to aa°lPnby
much of the amendment of the Noble Earl (Ella
rough) us would make the Bill applicable to the OP
of pirates on shore as well as at see. eegr
After some conversation the amendment was nab
tived without a division, and the Bill passed wr—
Committee.
frO
The Bishop of OXFORD presented petitioea
is
Jamaica and from au anti-slavery society, eemPlrixo—a
of the ruin brought upon the inhabitants of that °op
by the introduction of slave-grown sugar into uutorle•
kets, and praying for redress; also a petition from Ice;
inghatnshire against Sunday labour in the Post;°, for
and also a petition from a place in Surrey pray"
the suppression of beer-shops.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 25, nitajo
AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT,P
The House resolved itself into Committee on this -did,
On the motion that clause 17 be agreed to as AnTe"heit
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that the saving "be
g% r 1
was proposed to effect in the salaries of certain er,-„re.
should be left at the disposal of the Colonial Legiga";ol
The amendment was opposed by Lord J. Russnl't --
Mr. HAVES.
Mr. ROEBUCK complained of the extravagant Ol
which the clause proposed to give to the Govere°' of
Van Diemen's Land. It was 5,0004 a 3 ear—evidetifir
too much, and he would thercf we suggest that tbe,../je
ins; of all salaries should be left to the colonies ti"
selves.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think that course We
uld
be prudent, and he must consequently oppose it. ij be
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that power &hen
to
given to the Governor to snake a civil list fora Or'
specified time. •
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said if we wished to bnisl:
proper officers in the colonies they should be Paid 14'
on°
some degree of liberality.
The grdlery was then cleared for a division, but 11
took place, the clause having been agreed to. 00
Clauses from 18 to 28 inclusive were agreed to wit
any discussion.
On clause 29 being proposed, ;es 01
Mr. E. DENISON suggested that the bounuar-
the colony of New South Wales should be were
tinctly defined than they were at present. ,„
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Crown had power v-heete
new settlements and to form new boundaries W'

necessary.
Colonel ESTCOURT thought it would be itcPra
cable to lay down any distinct line of boundary. d
After a few words from Mr. ROEBUCK and la
RUSSELL, the clause was agreed to.
On clause 30 being proposed, eel%
Mr. V. SMITH said this clause and the foo'„diei
clauses, were the novelty of the Bill. In the West .`A-ess
it was proposed to have a general assembly, sl3l7etter,
found to be impossible, and they could not expect '" ele
success in Australia. He hoped his Noble Friend 0000
consent to have this clause struck out of the Bill' dto
wished to know what her Majesty's Government b$
say on the subject. 131$/c
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that he did not thin us'
there could be any such thing as a federal assembly ugh
less the colonies themselves proposed it, and eltlitas
the powers given by the clause might not for Soweer it°
be called into operation, it was better to provide °tot
matter now, while legislating on the subject, 031,0
to come to Parliament for fresh powers on any
occasion. With regard to the "squatting interest': the
thought that it was better not to be represented s" ref
present period. He trusted the Committee would ag
to insert these clauses.
Mr. E. I)ENISON said he had no objection t° `wept
deral association, but in providing for that theY bib
too far, and prescribed rules and regulations wV
made it impossible that such a body could ever e 1
formed. He objected to the form in which the cis'
were framed.
Mr. ROEBUCK said that the clauses were drawn letilesos
most unfortunate way. The great object to effect `re
federation, a subject which he thought of great n
e
ante. The idea might be sneered at by some, be
hoped to see a great people spring up.—(Hear.) it
clause had bettor be withdrawn with a view to gtr
greater consideration.
r6°
Mr. DISRAELI said it appeared to him that the e°e
pursued by the Noble Lord was defeating his °vvi3to°o
jets. These clauses had been drawn up upon a The
misconception of the true principle of federation. wet
true principle of federation was equality, and it i 1
upon the basis of independence in the several state%"ooo
the clauses were not withdrawn the Noble Lord
Clsoo
fail in his wise and statesman-like scheme. The 'ti
went upon the principle of inequality. lit
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that perhaps eq.-tocs'
might be increased by some variation in the prevlsold
He certainly wished the clauses to be carried, and 01; I/9
with that view see whether the clauses could 13-1
amended before the report so as to meet the severs' '
gestions that had been offered. j to
Sir WILLIAM MOLESWORTH said he objecteibete
a great federal association, unless it was intended t 0 set
a great independent state. If there was any 014),:o be
necessity for this union, he should not oppose it;
thought there was none. . ess
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Mr. LABOUCHERE said that it would not c'ef'.,
the tie of these colonies to the mother country bJteleat
arrangement, but rather strengthen it, by enabling e tee
to effect what changes might become necessary 111
gular and constitutional manner
scan Mr. DISRAELI said that probably, as it was seee9 the
ledged to be a difficult and delicate matter to proew
machinery by which the federal association could bettor'
tied out, the clauses had better be withdrawn altt/getoci
Mr. ROEBUCK hoped that the Noble Lord ve011"
so readily accede to that suggestion.
blc $
Mr. ADDERLEY thought the plan inappl.; eBhool--e
.
,
present. He did not know why the Noble Lord
object to two General Assemblies, and therefore h
des'
that the Noble Lord would again consider th° cbe
tion, as it required much reflection on the part of
Government.
00°1
Mr. ROEBUCK said that he was at a loss to Oen
be
for the speech of the last speaker, particularly vlied o 0
asserted that he (Mr. Roebuck) confounded his i"°-otle
this plan of forming two legislatures, which was "/
tricaord o
Jposed to his wish.
L MANNERS objected that an apPj;ati°Pee
should be made by the General Assembly to her
jesty's Government.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the objection raisetietie
the Noble Lord (Lord J. Manners) was very objeue:d if
able, particularly when it was to be consideredte,tl:ool
there was to be an agreement on the part of the lee" eir
Assembly, there should be a perfect understanding
tween all parties.
eel'
The Committee then divided, when there llPPea"r
For the clause
Against it
_.541
jority for the clause
nt 0
Clauses 31Ma to 49 were then agreed to wite°-
discussion. tbs
The preamble of the Bill was also agreed to, tt,„PfeJoi
House resumed—the report to be brought up on e:'"
week.
SECURITIES FOR ADVANCES (IRELAND) e
The adjourned debate on the second reading of
Bill was resumed.
Lord NAAS opposed the further progress of the not
and regretted the opposition to the measure bat, bad
fallen into abler hands. It was true the niees°,reee it
been brought in by Government, but at the saMe
.00
could not be delved there was a great diversity of the
on all sides with respect to this Bill. He considerf3tll°
Bill was a step in a wrong direction. It was c
ud', t..i°
enable parties, under the Encumbered Estates "" cot
borrow half the purchase-money, and secure tbi!oistic'
on the land. This he considered was in total 'lit yeeri
of the Bill they had been called on to sanction la9t, ae
The present would not have its intended cfredced prt);
would also act injuriously on the present lan "Del
to
e_ pea;
prietors. The Bill last year was brought in
proprietors of encumbered estates and to set fr
,reo and
and had it been brought in on any other prineiPils moat
for any other object, he should have given it h
(pet:
determined opposition. To prove this he would.s4od.
.
a passage from the Honourable Member's d 'bet:
who brought in the Bill. (The Noble .I)°,.thee tbn
quoted from the speech.) He would ask val" r? '`
present Bill was analogous to the Bill of last Yeianiee ofi
was as direct variance with the object and Prieniciergedt
the Bill of !net year, inasmuch as he firmly belie
Oil
passed, it would create a permanent encum",ich ie A
property. It was an extreme measure that vv'ard an
gassed last et ste but it was brought fervvciee
supported meet), because of the exige,%jetbilt
the case, and the necessity of doing f'iste9
to relieve the holders of encumbered °Lie Gen
Ireland. He would ask the Right Honourable tettc,,
tleman, if the Bill passed into a lsw, whetherolo
carry out the recommendations in the report j3lll was
the receivers in Chancery ? Assuming the 3;0 insnot contradictory, and assuming the object vetit,row te
crease the value of land and to save lessswel 0
glut of land thrown on the market, yet le` tei
it wee, it did not appear likely to carry
_(.l.°‘; than
jest or to create a better state of il'il:gove
that it was ertietted to supersede. The Nobleydefeetto
Fettered into some calculations to show the
beti sso,.
probable working of the measure. It had_iptiet Pr
these measures were calculated to create a p., eget thin
prietary in Ireland. Nothing could be more au.,"

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