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father's death under 16 years of age, and no illegitimate
child shall be removedunder 16 from its mother. Fifthly,
no person who became chargeable through sickness or ,
accident should be removable till they received re-
lief for forty days consecutively. All persons
were to be relieved where they were resi-
dent, irrespective of settlement. With regard to the
order for removal, he proposed that the overseer of the
removing parish should send a copy of the order and a
statement of the grounds on which it was made within
seven days. This statement was to contain not a copy
of the examinations—(Hear, hear)—but a statement of
the grounds of removal. Then the parties receiving
this statement of the grounds of removal are to have
21 days after the receipt of the notice to determine
whether they would resist the removal or not, and then
if they determined after the expiration of twenty-one days
not to object to the removal, but to the order, they were
compelled to send a statement of the reasons of objec-
tion. They would then have statement of the reasons
on which the removal had taken place, and a counter
statement of the reasons upon which the removal was
objected to. And having obtained those statements both
parties should be concluded by them, and upon the hearing
of the appeal, they would not be at liberty to adduce other
grounds. The overseers of the removing parish, if they
had no notice of appeal given, might remove at the end
of forty days after notice of removal had been given.
The House would observe that there was great difficulty
with respect to the removal of Scotch and Irish paupers,
because they were removed, not to a parish or district,
but to a country. He proposed that rules should be
framed by justices in their respective districts, which
shoul I provide, as far as possible, for the removal of
Scotch and Irish paupers to the parts or places
of their birth and residence. It would be then
their duty to remove them, as far as as circuin-
stances would admit, to the nearest place to that
of their birth. He was anxious to introduce a
power of appeal with respect to the removal of Scotch
and Irish paupers, and he proposed to do this by in-
serting the following words : " When any removal shall
have taken place on illegal grounds. either to Scotland
or Ireland, on the representation of local bodies or of
parties having an interest in the matter of removal,
On representation to the Poor-law Commissioners,
they shall have the power to cause an appeal
to be made at the sessions against the order
of removal, and if the order is quashed, the parish ob-
taining
the order shall pay all the costs of removal, and
shall also pay the costs of bringing back the party re-
moved to the parish from whence he or she was so re-
moved." He had now stated the leading provisions
of the BilL It was one which would require the utmost
attention. He was not so vain as to think that it would
not meet with many objections ; but, between country
and country, he
was
endeavoured to hold the balance
,
fairly, and he as quite satisfied that the provisions of
this Bill, as regarded the Scotch and Irish, were most
salutary and humane. He must now repeat what he
had stated at the commencement, that if this arrangement
should be adopted, the effect would be to place the whole
law in a much simpler and clearer form than it was at
present ; and though there might be many objections to
the details, he believed that to the principle of the mea
sure there could be no solid objection.
Mr. HAWE' expressed his satisfaction with the
measure of the Right Honourable Gentleman ; and read
a letter detailing the sufferings of the Scotch and Irish
paupers while being removed to their parishes and
homes, that showed that no attention was paid to the
condition of these unfortunate paupers when they were
removed. He thought the provisions of the proposed
Bill would gieatly lessen the number of paupers
to be removed, and he hoped power would
be given to the Poor-law Commissioners to see
that a proper person should be appointed to super-
intend the embarkation of these paupers, so that they
might not be left utterly destitut -. He hoped every
Hon. Member would well consider the Bill during the
recess, and he, for one, should come to the discussion of
it, rather with a view to assist the Right Hon. Baronet
in his attempts to amend the existing law, than in a spirit
of opposition to tlul Government.
Mr. BROTHERTON thought that if the money that
was expended in law was laid out on the poor, it would
be much better. _ _ _

Mr. WAKLEY thought the Government had shown
an honest intention in introducing the Bill.
Mr. WYSE said that the Bill was calculated to re-
move many of the grievances that now existed with re-
spect to the law as it at present stood. He thought
the course pursued, by the Government with respect to
this Bill was worthy of following. After some further
observations,
• Sir J. GRAHAM thanked the House for the attention
iLhad given to the measure, and he agreed with the Hon.
Member for Finsbury (Mr. Wakley) that the Hon.
Member for Salford was mistaken in thinking the
burden of supporting the pour would rest on the
manufacturing districts. The Bill would have an en-
tirely different Effect ; for if the Honour: ble Member
would closely examine its workings, he would find
that each district and parish, would be obliged
to support the poor persons who could prove
that they had been born within its limits, or
within its jurisdiction. The measure would also attend
to the evil the Member who had spoken last had referred
to, as a clause would be found in the Bill compelling
every parish and county to remove Irish paupers.
Captain PECIIELL thought that the Government
were entitled to the gratitude of the country for intro•
ducing the measure, and he could not see that any faul
could be found with its details.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
QUARTER SESSIONS.

Sir J. GRAHAM moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to regulate the appointment and payment of clerks and
other officers of the courts of petty and quarter sessions
of the peace, oyer and terminer, and gaol delivery.
After some discussion, leave was given to bring in the
Bill ; and it was then read a first time, and ordered to
be read a second time that day three months.
POOR-LAW BILL.
The Lords' amendments to this Bill were brought up,
and agreed to after some discussion.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
A message from the Lords brought up several Bills.
ART-UNIONS.
On the motion of Sir J. GRAHAM, the Lords'
amendments to the Art-Unions Bill was ordered to be
taken into consideration to-morrow.
Conferences took place on several Bills with the Lords,
and among theni was the Insolvent Debtors' Bill, in
which the Lords agreed to the amendments of the
Commons.
The House adjourned at Nine o'clock till to-morrow
at Half-past Three o'clock.