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) Council .shows that .be.,w441-iot 4,viol9nt.
-no man ever attended the Privy CeunciLin Dublin it he
was inveterately hostile to the existing 'Government. I
stated -that-it-Was-'to -iegretted—l said no more than
this, -.4 said that- it was_.to.beregretted that on that ec--
casion youi had departed from-the rule-7which ,y!M
have
,admitted you did=and that that occasion you
excluded 'Roman Catholics Who were not supposed to
be :exceedingly. :hostile-to-You; further added-;--
itn(ll.--11opelAtade :the observation yri thou t, any personal'
liarespect, for I did not-intend ..it,--.that .the. Right Hon..
Gentleman the Recorder for Dublin, by whointhe jUry liSt
Was to be revised; and it.was.an uutoward.circumstance,
summoned.had been summoned. to the Privy 'Connell, from which
Remaii- Catholics were -exclUded.--(Clieers-.) I don't
think I.have mierepresented,the statement of-the Noble
Lord. I. da not think that -I have mistated. the facts. now.,
May I venture to say this—l .think that if Mr. ljlake
had-been upon the Privy` Council, he would have -sugl
gested to pinion the Friday when you inet, the pro
ety ofriminediately (kiwi iigup th e.prochima ti on, an dot
posting it.up, at 011 CO, thereby-.avoiding that fearful ha ,
d' zarwhich, through the instrumentality of 3fr. o"dtia
nell,-yOu have' just cause to rejoice` did not result in
niisfortune.-- -The observation of.my. Right- Hon. Friend,
the Member for,Edinburgb, I think, -is:•entitled to great'
weight - The Clontarf meeting was announced, for three,
weeks: You waited until the Friday &fore the Suaday
upon-which-the meeting would- be held; and then 'yon
summoned the' Pricy You.came to -a decision
and you drew a proclamation,which might have
contained in tivo lines. I have the ,proetanition hero,
andlrtin 'sure that it did not requireany -Peculiar Me-
ditation,, for uit doesot. exhibit. any great, accuracy:-:-•
(Laughter.), • This !peoclamation •.was. got -up under.tbe
'peculiar care of the Noble Lord., I certainly must say,
'that it is a matter of some surprise;.that you should
meet on the Friday=when you determined on -the p_ro-
clatnation, :and: 'not ,-put - itl, up:. immediately. -Xou.
Waited Saturday. - afternoon, when . the no-
- five 'could • not. have been . conveyed ,to the
merons- multitude who were to assemble at Clem-
tarf multitutles,.'.however, which- - were prevented
from corning to scene which .might.-have been 'One Of
contest and bloodshed, .but, the, pacific interposition
of Mr. O'Connell, Who proved to you On ,that occasion,'
• what he had said over and over again, that lie would
obey the law, and that- if they sent a Single constable to
the -meetings that would indueehim to obey. I can-
-net -refrain fr. un ,--4 pressing my. wonder that after- -that
- proclathatioo had..beee i,s.ued-r-,that.after, your object
-'had been. obtained, that of the pn-vention of-the monster
rannot but wonder, that you did -not rest
there. do , not. ,see ..what further.. ,purpose. you. bad
to attain, for the -meetings . of- the Repeal Asso-.
ciation were in comparative • obscurity. -If you
sufceeded in.your:ohject, iii suppreiiShik.these.meetings,
%di V did.. vou- ins: itute the-e prosecutions?.
::t leer ask :j-ou. -why did -a ou not- •proseeute—trot for
•eo: spiracy, but for holding unlawful *a:sseinbiages; and
for seditious Itingige—for, , sediiious. publications:for
periottiof ninet,anowths- tefore?— (Cheers.), • -The precis-
inition stated that - several meetings
.language
ef end ~inflammatOry. nature' had been ad--
- dressed ft'? ,P.erkbri there iSseniMed;.Caleidated iuta in
tended to. excite diseontent.and disaffection-in-the mindh
of her Majesty's-subjects, and to bring into :contempt
and hatred the • -Gov-grin:tient .and' inStittitions, Of the'
country,. &c. :NO.iv, does not the question at: once pre
sent itself, that-ifthat .seditious language .was employed
for so:long a period as nine menths,- -why did you not
stop it before?—(Cheers,) ' Why did yciit'flot proSebute
such articles as this ,wbich:T hohl ii .toy, baud, published
so far. back as. the..l st. of April, 1&t3?. • You 'might. have
proceeded by- criminal information -or by' indictment:.
You might have proceeded for the publication of this
poem irr the Notion_newspaPer, mbieb her Majesty's
torney-General, in addressing the jury, declared to be
,a
poem of a. seditious Character, . The poem was entitled
the " Winery Of :the Dead," and the Right Hen. Gen-
tleman, the Atterney:General, read it to the jury in the
most emphatic and solemn 'manner.- . I will read the
poem:— :.
- Who fears to speak of Ninety-Eight?
blushes at the name? -

When cowards mock the patriots' fate,
Who hangs his head for shame?.
He's all a knave, Or half it slave, •
Who slights his country thus;
But a true Man, like you, man,
Will.fill your glass with us.
We drink the memory Of the biaVe,
.. The faithful and the few—
Some lie far off beyond the wave
• Some sleep- in Ireland,•too;
All-all are gone—but still lives-on
• - - The fanie of those who 'died;
All true men; like you, men, • - •
Remember them with pride::
Some on`the sheres'of distant lands - .. •
- •Their weary hearts have laid, •
' And 1)y. the stranger's heedless hands • • .
' Their lonely graves were made ; ,
But, though- their clay be **way .
Beyond the Atlantic foam—
In true men, like you, men,
• Their spirit's still at.home.
The Attorney-General added, this poemWitSiinade in
order to excite the minds of the people; and that it was
a specimen of an entire volutne of seditious ,matter,
which Was calculated to excite discontent and disaffec-
tion... If this be a true description of the. poom—it, was
published- on :the tat ,of .April, and: a „series of com•:
positionaof the same claps hadheen published weekly •
for : several . months (Hear,_ . hear) —*if this 'Poem
had the tendency imputed to it by. the Atiorney7Gene;
ral, is it not a very natural question to ask, why were, not
proceedings taken against
.the man Who published that
poem and the more especially if it had. the evil influence
attributed to it by. the Attorney-General ? hfy answer
to it is this--you had predetermined to prosecute, for, a
conspiracy,—you had connived at these meetings,
and- at-
.the publication, 'of poems .of this class,
for- ; you suffered these poems to appear :day
after. day in the newspapers.. If you suffered -th'osel
Meetings to be heid,,until,,according to your bill of
tieulars, ninety-One' of them had taken
cries of " Hear, h-ar'')—yon allowedithosenewlapere
to proceed- in -their career—to run -a-race among them,
elver--.-uutil. the ,editors ..competed: with one another in
exciting "the populir passions. And Whit; then, did you
do •Yotr)did n 0 prosecute the author of thoSe,poems
—you did nut prosecntethe man whose name was at-
tached to,some .of those. compositions.. Oh ! no. The
article; thei".,Duty of. a Soldier," was published in the
Nation newspaper ; the name of the writer was added to
it--the' writer -was a priest in. Waterford—the Rev.
John Power-7-(H ear, hear, from the Ministerial benches)
----but you never prosecuted him:
.To this moment he
has escaped "with perfect,.iinpupity,—he .was :present at
the trial—he saw the men tried for the. offence which he,
himself had,.committed„,and.le returned to-Waterford
perfectly safe and uninolested.77(Lond cries of "Hear,
hear" from the Opposition.).. -But. yougave the adicle in:
evidence -against Daniel 'O'Connell, who had. not written
-
it--{Hear, hear}--who had _no eogßizanee of it,
.'and no
communication whatever with the -writer: You gave that
article in evidence .against him— (Renewed and Jlehe
".Hear,, hear," from , the OppoSitioP)-7-
yOu . joined in - the, offence. ,the ;editors of three
newspapers,--you:.geve in evidence against OVortnell
every article published in those newspapers in 1843.
Was this a legitimate proceeding
.? (Loud cries 91.-
" Hear; hear..") Were the observations of the Hon. and.
Learned. Member for. Worcester, justifiable in 'that re
gard ? Has there been a precedent for such proceedings'?
hear.) Has there been an instance of a" man
indicted few conspiracy and joined 'with the editbrs of
.
newspapers,' and every article in.those newspapersgi given
in -evidence agairistlim?,--(Loud cries of ",hear, Bear.")
Yon might tell me that -mode of proceeding should be
adopted if .there, is no other, way of ,punishing those
editors ; but ;could. nett they have been prosecuted. in .the
ordinary _manner? !.Could.not. these.puhlicationa :have
been stopped ? Could not these channels, through
WhichJeclition..wasalisserninaten,:. have:heen.:closiidjup
Therefore we chargelou with having-in,ilte _words of
the A ttorney.;:%:fArigaith litifr.ing-rst46oy., with hay-
ing laid in Avait,..to.4Sll4e-tlieso .inen.---(Hear 'hear.)
If you did no:t..e7ournge, :at ,connived very
sti.ang%ly atAlikialiiiroCeediup ;,-.antl.thert, I"..hen your
purpose. Was---tiectimplithed,. you tell upon the man
whorl you. hint'iticloged• within our ti411,0,-7(cries of
Hear, heag.).:.X.now.4saathollightlion. Gentleman
in a solento and-inarkeri,torre•of voice)'cOine to 'a yans-
actionWhich:the-AttirriieyliGenetal for:lreland:Will per-
!mit me to say has-team don4.-like.to.use the phrase,
" wilful naisrepr4sentation,"•imt•lwisb-tn.convey to this
House the kopiriledge.:Ora must be
regardettaa a :most,singalar—most remarkableL---•most
'conspicuous ornission•-•-by-the -Attorney-General.; The
House heard' :that cientlemak last:night,
speak of.tho oonductpursued against -Mr. Bond Hughes.
He is a reporter-,-' No,- shorthand,writer„attacted to
Mr. Gurney'i:otUe;.ititd:llelieve him .to be a gentleman
-of undoubted-- -was sent to Ireland for
the purpote Alf" reporting ••• the Mull#o.kntii,tiaeeting.
The AttornerGeaeral:said:. that_ ri Hughes. was se-
lected as an object ofperseeution, and that the town was
VadaidedWith denundationS'ef this Mr. Bond
.Flnghes,
so that eren,those4otinan Qathplics..,w4o,vOted in favour
:of the appropriation:clause could not . he. More strongly
'dynamited .than he •wes.,: ' The- A t torneY7Q enerat added
ithat;:thia Waalk4 conduct &ratted by Mr.S.),;COnnelktind
his associates:with. respect. to-Mr-Hughes, and 'that this
was One ••• of the.•••ntotives-••••of-- the , ..GoVerpnient
for preasiiig.:oVonnell wAtii sc) ''mugli keenness.
;The •-• • Attorney;G•eperar; further. • said, that he re-
gulated" proceedings.•*byt.the manner in Which
'Mr. -Hughes persecUL-d.,hy the discredit-
ilmnpial•-tettrle pursued-in 'reference to-that
irrhe:Aqorney.:7:Pprieral
~and I
am surprised. that -he Mr...fltghes himself
'acknn-wledged that---he. made— two • raistskes in • his
• the;; SWorti_:_itiforinStions.' upon- which
la warrant was founded and—issued -against Mr. Barrett,
the liii'oPrittor of ci!rl'ilot nowapaper;.Whenyit. was. of the
utmost •611W-tuetice .ie.,ftiititx,..and....c.hain: with
'O'Connell.-r4oud-cries of. -Flearchear:") There was
no peroen•but-Barrat'and'theltlthresecutori. In its
paper the article entitled I.ln.L.tthuty. of a Soldier," --vas
-published:---Mr...Bond- 'Hughes . swore informations,
which he:at:Med:that be saw j4r!tei, • 'twice at themeet-
ings in Ditbliti. He never did see him at any meeting
'in Dublin.—(Loud cries of " Hee r, hear.") Ile statek
'what.'was untrue ,but,...which I .believe inters-;I
tionAlly false-4 Hear,, hear)—but -.which, . as we knew].
nothing of him, as we ettuld -not-search -his conseienee,l.
as we had heard"-no explanation.froruthe_Crown—as we
had no explanation,fro in
_himself until ,the 411.-,we
knew was, that he had sworn to that ,which.was not the
fact.—cti(tdolienneitneteyoV!o'Gekd ones of " Hear, hear.") And then
an
eth-whhaiLn. QsthbalQl.elibe m mentionedentoned- in.
this House, and which will, I think,. produce upon melt
of all parties no ordinary sensation. • If I shall bacon--
tradieted in the statement I am about to make, -1 Have,
the documents' here with-which. I can. substantiate
(Hear,'hear,. from the' Opposition:) Mr. Bond HugheS;'
in his first .
examination; stated •Rertaht_things: . tCntreA
4:i
the Attorney-Gooeral to' w v
single partfciilar.frOnithe-exaClTaa *: s biglit-e&Taie'
anticipated the disclosure of to the House,—(Hear,

hear.) Mr. Bond Hughes said he went to-the house of
Judge Burton, to correct_an Affidavit: tie' lodged' an-
other,information—mind that-Tin .whic,ll,44Xe .x4.._s. no'
reference. to jiiiiirett. -11 e _Went tti 'Judge Bin*.
ton's :h.:31..e. 'for ( the.' rPufpoise - or to_
' - an
inforrnation -there. -le: quiWr• '1 Barrett:, ...When: hi
saw.... hiinil'be/AcialpecliAt4 said,;" I.:lia,not ..see .that.
:person. at the,. tueet,ing,?---," I !hate sworn that which
was not a ffact."', He kiiie -„,fti:'Wriiy`ietspiike to hiM---
Wray' -is the:. clerk., -to the Crown • eolicit4—told
him:. of the mistake- he.• had- made iitt his affidtoit, anti -
requested -him 'to correct it. , whak-„ciid,Wrairssair-,-
what did be do-did he get the inforniAion-eorrected'?
No. 'There ivaa'n&CorreCtion,- lin& Mr:=llond litigheii,-
when asked • upoti tha trial: what. reply: Wray made. to '
his, request, -, said he 441 - not,raeitiber: Iyhat Wry :
said.., . Bond fiughe,s saw :Mr. Itemtnis, ead,. said_
" rhave made' 'a: uniStalce:ln' my Inforination—what,
shill 1 do? -4 stated "that which- was hot trae.''.4,,What -
did .Wenunisiclo-was there a new informationpr4Pare42:
—was ..tb..l:lrd statement. amended.? Np, yA vgarran.ti.
against Barrettlid been granted, and that.. warrant. was
not to fiefrecitOd.(Lotid tries .of. :" 'Hear:hear," from
the sOppOsitiOn.) , Lest you 'should -think or. iinagine-
for ,a -, Moment • • that . -I: ~aut, ,wantenly, • impeaching,
the _character of this immaculate Crown .Solicitor-:,,,
(Laughter)—Who charged 'IS with ' tampering 'with
M`Grath.. the flomanCithOliC oificial--(lrear,ltean)-,--
with tampering With a man who is at, this ,moment ,in
the employment :of the Poyernment,'----{llear, hear)-1,
will read to you the. stateMertf.'ce 11i. Bond Hughes-,
which'the Aitorney:Geheral,-I stippOse, thought-AM 'pot
bear at all. upon the•Subjeot-L-Iktd: Hughes,- A perjurer t
Oh ! monstrous !.. lie deritntncechtheTersocution.of
.this
• individual,lout Jut did-not think it at all yelextlt,to:com.
municitte it to the House.—(Hear, hear.) -It "li•as.on his
cross-eiiinitititioirby Mn- M'Donough' that. •the:--fact
came out;' it did:riot appear:. in the direot..exaMinatkon.,
Hughes swore to what Imppened.at the Mullaghniast
meeting,, and made out the case against .O'Connell.
But ' hot 'a -*Ord- about ' : the - mistake Made by
Ilughes rak tb 'Barrett--one, ,of the -men. Wheat..
liberty, WAS ;-at . stake. ";.Tot -a .ssyllable, dicl.:. the; At,
terney-General ask Hughes about. Barrett. . The
Crown had no curiOaity4ozi the' subjeet.-,(Langhter,
and•Crieis of "'Heir, 'hear."). =-Itwould have been -enact
of supererogatibn. to have touched upon any•unfortunate
Misapprehension, of Mr. Hughes; but upon ..hia• cross- -
examination by the subtle- Mr. M'Donough the matter
Wats elicited. I will read from an indisputable authority
an extract from the.::ct•Cisk-exarnination, by Mr. M'Do-
nough. Thepaperis
,ca11e44.0 zii).ublitt, the Recorder-of
Public Opinion:— . .. - , - ,
~• . •
' " Mr': ILlYOnough--tYoti haiikialien various ,opportn-
aides af 'cOrrecting your ''statchients'?• Mr. Hughes—l
have taken some. .::. - . ! •,.-. :' -'. - . ~-,-.,!:..- ,:
`'° Mr. I,4l!flopough—(Having seen. -the information)
You hare not pained Mr. Barrett. Was. he. there?... 'Mr.,
Ittighes---I Madeamistake abont:hini' ona -fornier-occa,
sion ; • he was not !present; --a-took the -earliest Oppor- •
tanity of correcting: thAtlnistaite. ..
~. .. _
“.Mr. M`Dohough.:-, Then I presume that he did not
siva k there / kr:. Hughes-Ile.did"not: ' :
f "'Mr. M'Donough--=When yoti lwere -under exernina-
tfon by the .T.Solicitor-Goneral,...lO. asked Tau.-nothing
about the dinner ,at the.. Rotunda,? , Mr.: lughes-:-He
4ked pad nothing about it. _ . .
-"' Mr.' M‘DOnough-Was Barrett there? -Mr. Hughes
-L-No; Barrett Wes not there.t '1 n3istoek, somebody else'
iarhim. -..: .'. .-...' :- ... . ' ..:. .- .:.. ~ . , -., .. . •,:z., ...: - .
" Mr. M'Donough--I think you stated Ton took the
ilieSt opportunity of correcting the mistake ? ' Mr.
tighes—l'dlit'so when I.Was--itt -the house-of - Judge
urton. ...'••:.: -'' • ' :: ,- '''' f,-!• - -.1 • ' - s

.;had a painful taskto da,:but I have,.atthe same time, to/
make some allowance for the acts of the Right Honour,'
able Gentlemen, The ..Dublin Evening .Malt by the byt-
a high.authority en these matters-,-had ,stated that the ,
Right Hon. Gentleman hadbeen compelled to be in. at*.
tend ane.,.e.. upon an. . eminent ._ , statesman : for - the
.purpoie! of .. ,a.• cOnSultation, preparatory to making an,'
4ncietise.lh the grant devoted -to the
_purpose of national.:
education, in . Ireland.-,-(Loudlaughter.) • .But having
acquittatthe,l3ecorder of every sort of Moral imputa
tion, still there are some circumstances which do appeail••
to me, with reTrsker-te the;revisibn listnWhich-were quite.
inexplicable,,:and'ildiich
.appear to, nie•erninentlyto call.
for.. the „remarks: .• used , ,by _
.Mr.:-. 'Justice. Pet*
when ht. said that , he thought with . respect •• to.:
those - ligia' 'there- 'w ere'` to. - coneludel
tliere.,-,was -Apin,ething worsef,,,than accident. Now,
what is -the
...e.g.sQ hero? Is -it-.l7ecttive- Mr. --M'Grath-
isa.R.eman'Cathalic—is it theYefore that' it iiiiPeicte
that the defendants some of ,ti horn are R6man:eath t 1
lies) have employedi-their. inflUence for; the purpose.
New see what ft,,monstrous charge you prefer against
Mr. AP ppath„, riiiiagt the possibility of 'sustaining, it,
i
For Ayh,t4. 21 ihilehitt§.? Thai the defend aii ts aCtuaili
purloined or Post 15 names of Doman Catholics in - ono
parish;...the...ptieish of St. Audeon!S, as;,if •_ they were
anxious to exclude . the Roman. Catholics from dip
jury ;—(C.liceis.) ' 2i... ilk containing .15 limes 'is .164,
and it is alleged
,that Air.'itpGrath,.' a ;Rennin Cathalic •
gentleman at present in the emPloyment of theßecorder -
of Dublin, Who has not aismissed hiinoolio-vron't dis-
miss... . • .
, •
him—(Cheer';-guilty of
,a.--;:inost nefarions.
practice,- and that insinuation is naade :b3=. her Majesti's.
.Attorney-General !—(Loud cheers.) , Now,.. is . this .a
fairmode of proceedingcheers.) When they found,
a mistake—l will-call it a mistake tor' the present—hnt
a mistake most iernicious to the defendant, depriving-
hire of the benefit- of the Act of Parliament introduced
.by iliThglit Icon, 'G, at.the head of 'her
.Ma-
jesty's .Government—when %Y found that mis
take ,
operating.against the defendant--you.say lie did it him-
aelf-7why„ da you.think that he committed suicide ?•1
-There stands the statenient.—(Lord. Stanley here made
some observation across the table which we did not
catch.) Let US have no mistake on this point —(Hear,
bean)' Whatlsaid.was this, that last night, the, At-
torney-generalcharged corruption upon its. He charged '
Mt with corrupting a publicoflicer, a man' Whose liveli-,
hood. depended on his office—a man fram.w.hont we
should "t* - • -_,,,.,4,, , , -.: , .
~ • = ; . '

"tali 'the
" When we do_ take the means whereby he lives."
The charge waa corrupting ti.public!afficer, and for what
purpose ,Ifoxitbse.plin4Ose ,orreMOVing R6man Catho-
lics from the jury. Now, is that. lausible ?—(Chors.)
..Would such Ai-apcus4tiop. ,be,reeehied With acclamation
by any gentlemen except those who had ikon' previously
heated by the singularly operative elcitiueUee of thle, Right
Hon. and Learned Geirt/eniart,;—:(l7:6lid cheering.) When
Hound a British House _Of Common s' chee'ring'-on an
Hon. Gentlemari,While-he was blasting_ the character .of-
a; private individual, I was astonished' at the want of just
feeling on the part of tie AttornelrGcneral7-71, was: 44-
tanisked. that such an accusation, so destitute of truth, or
It should say Aadpyy, of, probability, sliould-
lio received- with accianiation by a British House of
c6eri.) - When the facts are .so
Much disptited,, when such. contradictory assertions are •
'Made, when .I say sixty names were lost,.when you say.
tiventy-fieveii,,when the,.lVce,oidet says 'tw'enty-four alto
gether, -of. w.hotai sixteen were Catholics; ought we not
to have a Committpe.to..ingnire into, and to search 'the-
Matter to ;the bottom?, If.ther:e is corrUption connected

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leen'ta49n.nbout gr, Hendrick. The Noble Lord the
Secretary for 'the,COlinis, who 'appears, to tenon a'great
deal-More' about this part of the case th'a'n the- driSh
AtterneY-Gener.il; told us that Mr.- Hendrick
was- ,considered, -. e..:. be t Protestant and Con -
servative„.. .told him Did' Mr.. liernmis ?
Xo• Mrvlietrtfnia.helieved him to be,a Roman,Catholic.
--ellear, hear.), Well; new, `arewetO try "a
Matter Of'ttiis signal
.imp& -- tancenatiiely, the exclusion
of Roman Cathotidi upon the •specific ground's of Mr.
Remmisis afficlavit.or thy looking': at.thel -letters Which
passediUDnu tbe-s_ubjeqt? Is that the way to satisfy the
upon a mestion of such deettapfli vital interest ?
Xou ate .tbe secret of this caseina Memerit:Zah -make
an ItTfidafitt---Wi. are generally- bolihtl brat affidavit`
—aMr)..tyti say-thai the whole ten are 'either tifetiibers of
the-Repeal Assoehttion-'or have stibscrilacif faits funds.
gr. Hendriek_is not. tomembor of the .4ssnei,ation,--gr.:,
,Hendriek AK!!cr, subscribed to the . rei.)eali.rent-f,-gr„
is a 11e&rin Catholic: It is stated
'that he Was a Roman atholic.- I requested inV Hon;
Friend .the -Member 'fel- the county-of' Weiford',-when
thisiitatter was in agitation,. toga to the house of .Mr;
Hendrick, With, WWII, he -was aeplainted, and inquire
-wliether4tir...Mendriolcwas &Boman c;lttholic,, or had
subscribed to the , Ilepeal,.4sssielation? The -answer
was, that Mr. :Hendrick "wit's 'Roman" ratliofic,: but
that he had never subseribed' to the gdpeal- AsSeeiatien
-never subscribed to its funds. :You: prove to be mis-
taken, and-y_eur Mistake is of a very important kind..-
--(Hear, :betty.) Let me now come, to the case of •Mr.
Dunn, - Now, Mr ,Dunn is not - a member cf.
the Association, and never s'ubscrilk4l-to the fun& of the-
AggoCiaoeti:' It is Said that he is a. Repealer, and the
Noble Loi-ddb-sife'crthat I Was a quibbler when I drew
distincti;ui.) illessaid,_ " There are quibbles which may
sometinles-be employed in
,a, court of justice, but they
.ought not to be resorted to in Parliament." But is there
no distinction, I ask, between being tt. nieMber of the
Repeal Association
,anda subscriber to its funds, and
being an- adidCate of the repeal of the union ?--4 Hear,
hear from the -Opposition.) Suppose that . gr. Cobden,
;tint Mr. Bright-and my, Hon Friend behind me;were
in-
dicted, tegother of course,, with the -Oar, the .Chroiiicic,
The siin,.aild all the newspapers favourable" to the're=
peal -131. the corn-hilvs, suppose that all these were
indicted- for a conspiracy. Why, it would be
very easy 'to say we will set aside all Who are subscribers
to the Anti-Corn-law League, a4.:who :are sub-
scribers to .77ic...5'un and, the other, papers ; hut would
you set .aside a-matt becauielbe was an Ovocate-arfree
trade, or because he had aubscribed his.fittme to a rdpti-
sition calling a meeting in faVour of a repeal of the corn-
laws ?-;;-(Hear; hear, and cheerS' from the • Opposition.)
Or let me put.anothei .case. guppose _the -Tories' had
come:in in..theyear.lB3l, and suppose thateertain con-%
•spirators, or certain persons alleged to have conspired,
-had been indieteclifor endeavouringito subvert the Con-
'stittitiori by means of intimidation.—(Great laughter.)
`Suppose my Noble Friend on my right, and my Hon.
Friend* the-Secretary of State for the Home Department
--(Laughter)—and the ,Noble Lord opposite, had been
indicted forA conspiracy, we will say to swamp the
-House of Lords, would there not, in that case, have been
a distinction drawri between a juror who was personally
an advocate of Parliamentary Reforia and the members
of Brookes's Club, where might be heard, perhaps, in-
cendiary and 'seditious .speeches, delivered at a table
'amidst rapturous applause ?—(Laughter.) The Noble.
.Lord said I was a quibbler because I ventured to Say
there was agreat difference- between a Repealer and- a
Member of Repeal Association, the one being charge-'
able :with conspiracy,. 'and the other not Quibbles are
•

_ . . . ~
- with •a erreat. State prosecution,ea, matter of such s bad things, but :Ministerial ' sophistications are. much
k".Mr._WDenou,glt-Yeml 'saw Barrett at the house a, :Magnitude e•-eif corruption had been charged 'in • 'at' worse.-(Cheers and-laughter from the Opposition.) I
ip Burton,
„spy'
.percOTO, your mistake ? Mr. case where.-.a , verdict tins... been. -obtained, 'which think the Noble Lord must now see that I. was' not
ughee---I did; '-' e - le,- - ,"' .-- - Verdict has been made a , matter of triumph- quibbling when I drew: the distinction in question.. 'At
1 `eMr.M4Donbtigh---Did yolk- amend the mistake then if with-respect AL it we are contradicting each other, and all events he must see that there_ is a most marked differ-
With regard to Barrett?: .. Mr.:Hughes-e-I did; notihut i . meeting eash other at every ateti-if you any, yes, when ' -ence between the affidavit - of Mr. Kemmls and the
did With reference
..ta. the RM. Mr. Tierney.. I.,disev I sa•no-ie,not just you- should grant ns a committee P statement- made by the • Noble Lord, who tells us
4overed*iiv:Mistakewith- reference to Barrett, and men- • "--(aile.erai). -..Tha(will',not-,be e'vote of censure on the that. there _: *eke . .fent.. Minns, but_ that it is net
tioned it to kfreWrity, the' clerkteetCeniaii.- - • • Government. A. cornmitteetf inquiry into the-state'. of- Pretended that Michael Duna was a meniber
'Mr.' M‘Donough-W. hat 'Alicts,, Kettimia say? ~Mr. Ireland.won/Tbe le vote Of :Ctitinitre, but- this. committee of the Repeal Association.-(Hear.) I think 'Nee have
Hufi
ghes-I. ea,Wt recelleet What -Kenimie 094: •• . • . .. • - *ill not be aeibte of sensors.. }Then give .us' the coin '•-•alearly made out that tneo -of -these -Men-A ere tniOjec•
"Mr. MeDoeough-When did you mention this to mitten. Let is know
_how all this, has happened.. • - 1 -tionable, and that you were not justified, therefore,. in
Itirr. eeeeiemiee Mr. Hughes-rhave already 'said that I presumeeafterea suggestion, which seems to be approved, seriking off their names....e.(Cheers.) Now, what ought
mentioned it at Jedgeßertou'e house," ,-- -.. ' - by all sides, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir Robert to have beetedone uriderthe circumstances ? "The panel
`And iu.e,nswerto,further.qUestions,Mr.Hughes againsaid Peel) whaintrOduced• the Act into Ireland, and it ,is, to Was: bad ; the panel was .; it was s 9 represented
that Mr. Kemmis made •no Oservation when he told. him his merit,- for he is a, great, legal reformer-I presume- by a judge ; you yourselves admit that a number of
efthe Mistake: Mi. Kemmts made no observation-that ' olefin aindicationofhis own aaLand to rescue it from the names have .been struck off. - Every Roman Catholic,
man Seind 'Hughei," *hobo' character was- so impeached; ienpntateenoeuneair working, hewilltiol deny us the tneans'i you say, was to be struck off. Would it not have been
innd whose conscience' was so-edisturbed; )yet Kerrnnia. of investigating 'those transactions Which (ha clearly re- a wieecourse to oonsentthat a new panelshould be ap-
ade no observation about ,ite-e(Loud:eries.cse "Hear, quire, investigation, -Let us 'see what took place when pointed.? If the parties had consented to a 'new panel
ear," from Opposition.) Bond Hughes, one of the. the discoverywas made, neinattet Whether the - names, that panel would have -been. binding. - I believe no
the
rincipal - evitnikOS for . the ' Crown,, had made two were 24, or ,60, or 27-tt certain number were left: wet, lawyer in this House will deny that if the parties had
tatementa enhia oath,- which ttirned-out to be-untrue, e wrong was done.. The Noble Lord' oppoSite- (Lord afterwards Made an -objeCtion they would have. been
nd yet Ketumis
To be sure
,theye may. Attorney-General, but the opinion of eminent lawyers
'made rte observation, =and made 1,10 Stanley) - says, and most justly;. that on the ballot the. stopped, : Ido not know what May be the Opinion of the
t Herr,tc m pt 1; tow
,:,Lemffeedely
the'
omippestsaiktiee.-n.)(ReNnee,wtedhe
c
mr
ii
ests
akoef. be, but AtTheeAeciantedce.sbYbiicglaintTb.eequ.o on both sides= in this House supports the view . which I have taken.-
as left uncorrected, 'the matter was' eft as-it-wage the the Government _must not -play -with loaded dice.- But suppose there had been no consent, was there not
nfoi• ations'Weee.known to be false-they,were left so. (Cheers.) It is mentioned in Rabelais; that a • distin- another expedient ? Would not the rule for a special
i " Did you- make a mistake in the Christian ,name- guished judge. when puzzled with a case, used to throw jury hate) been discharged ?-(Hear.) The Sheriff of
Of the Rev. Mr. Tierney which you subsequently_ dice for the decision, and according to the dice used to Dublin (Mr. Latouche) is a gentleman of the very
eotreeted? ift. -hand- /litybes_-__yes. • Was there decide either for the plaintiff or defendant. But in this highest respectability. When the Irish Municipal Bill
ins'tt?coemreretio,fi •• made in - the case-• of -Mr. Bar-. (*seethe dice have always been loaded for the Crown. passed you retained the appointment ofsberiff for Dublin;
e
Bond;. Hughes-No.: -• I , merely-7=one. We contend in this case we have not had our just pro- though- .you had not taken it . from the Corporation' of
ioued it". • .. •. . .. . portion of contingencies. Why, it .was an old practice London. The nppointMent was vested: in the Crown,
oae ;the. . Ste-ese- must • recollect that .the Soliel. of this House, in choosing Committeeseto put names of because you-said that if the Corporation were to appoint
ca.GeniralL had•been' guilty •of such .a • sin -of omis- Members. into. a glass, and to draw them by chance. the sheriff, the new sheriffs would be just ',ate bed as
pioateas that which Ineentioned- just:nowee-aad: in the: Now; suppose the ' names of • twenty seven Tories had' the old ones ; they would as certainly be. Repealers, as
next place .thei ' House ~ will. 1,. think ..,not.,. be, been left out-(Cheers)--suppose that-by any' larceny, their predecessors were Antigtepealers.-(Laughter.)
stonished that . the Attorney-Gene/et' made that or loss-and very often one touches on the other- Now, I ic(not say whether you were right or wrong in
accusation against -Mts()Voneelle that he. had said twenty-seven er sixty names of Tory Members were taking this course ; but the Crown havin - taken the
Ir:Bond Hugheitientioned the matter tothe-Crown- . left out, and that it turned out a Whig commiteee-men appointnient into its own hands, and appointed such
elicitor, tereseito himself:from. the
_result
..of the Tree, bound by;their oaths; and as little likely, to act contrary men as MiesLatouche, I-,maintain that you, wonid have
pecutione,--(Cheers.) Ole!. Sir, last night the Attorneys to their consciences as a Protestant ury, and suppose' acted most wisely; if you had left the, appointment to
;•
perierat thanitit he had made out his case.-e(Cheere the omission were discovered, what, would the ' Tories that' otficeree• (Hear, heir.) You use the words " coin-
eted:lauglitei.). It was a Matter of great iny'and• con- ay then ?-e-(Loud cheers.) Would they not say; give mon jury," but the worth " common jury" generally
gratulation; the Manner 'in whichhe thought he had ex- vs
. a new ballot?. put the twenty-seven names back? mean - a jury selected from a particular class. The
plained those points..• ' But, Sir, I :hope the . House. ill, Would not that be said? and very fairly said; 'andis nOt jury - who ~_ tried this case. were persons compa-
bear in mind that those gentlemen who.eharged me .with this exactly the case here ?-(Loud cheers.) There were ratively of an inferior class. I do not mean to say
the -corrtiation"ot M`Grath--,ithO charged
.mg with -per- ten Catholics
.left on the list;_ suppose by any chance that the middle classes. are not a proper depository
4unding' APGrati-th act •avith treachery*-the HOUse will there had been thirteen, the `Crown" could only have apolitical power. I do.not mean to say that it is not
remark that those gentlemen, go liberabupon • this acme, etruckaf twelve;:one would haves' been left; they could Wise t?iat - your special juries should be composed of
cation _ against- us, and, to. use a- common Orme, s° Pot, have - "get. rid' of him. Of our fair number Protestant tanners, Pretestent piano-forte timers, and
naithis•te turn the tables on us ihyeeleinny, have them; a ,tiekets: ..in - this
_. lottery we have been de • Protestant grocers.-(Great laughter.) I cast no reflec-
eliei, in these transactions; adopted the•courie w___llidh, 1. rived, and , a, wreng, has in that particular tion on any one, but Igo back to the question, why did
escribiteand-respecting which it is not-now 1113nintentmn- been done us, whether it was of fortune orethe you not permit ' the ~.Sheriff to .reeurn a common
p, the bills had been founT4l(l,.
o.epeake,--(Load cheers.) result of fraud.-(Cheers.)-Thene-what was the course jury -the . Sheriff appointed b yourielees ? Mr.
We adopted ?:'We took:this- course, we made a motions° Latouche .would have returned men of the highest' cone
eiesses'On 'the back of the indictment were demanded by quash „the panel, and here the Atterney-Geneeal was sideratiop-Protestants and Catholics. He would not
she defendants. ' That Was at -reasonable .applicae perfectly triumphant. ' Ile did
.'not Say' a Word of the hare returned Repettlerg, but he would- have returned
et•ininadthictemnenaLhsadefbetheine sv:int-t
Mori, -,-,Suchan appliektioninehis country-ethis'counerY, , next proceeding, but I will take care that I- will de so.- mere of great influence; he would have returned hank
united -with.lreland (and ',hope . long., to. be• united to. The Cond• said we cannot gnash the panel.- We then: directorssmerchants, and men whose- station 'and. 'cen-
t:that Country in equal rights and -privileges); Ireland, . made earepus.offers,ewe said, let the Recorder of Dub- duct - placed them above suspicion. You had the.
that 'Country which' Honourable - Gentlemen-opposite lin revieW, theliii. The COint, said 'there- jilt difficulty: means 'of.' doing :that, _ but you did not do, it.
;professed to be united in a perfeet equality,eand '1 in that. sWe iaid"Piii all the himies•lfi the-ballot:Retie; It was a singular boast ef the. Might Hon. Gentleman, 1
Ilibertyet-Lsay in ,',Englabd- -the invariable,: practeos- has nclnding those left out. -"tflte'Cotirteinid there it a diffi- the Secretery of State for the Home Department, that
ibeen to furnish to -the. trev_ersers the names .which were , ulty in-that. In; ghee, the Court refused to quash the he had recourse to a special jury in this case, when, in-
on the lilick.'Of theindictmente - May I 'not itesk the At- panel,
.and refusedto:giee any kind of remedy. But a stead of having recourse in the formation of the jury to
torneyenerat fOr Englandeedee,reect mesf-I be wiones most imeartiel:stisp was afterwards taken. -We chid= men upon whom the high character and moral habits
(The AttorneyeGentraleintinutted:that,he- was cortcett)e longed the irray, and on that the AttorneY-General said-- of Mr. Latouche himself might have been impressed,
lam borne out hy.high authority, then,- in, saying that • not a word:4--(The -Attorney-General wasunderatoodto he selected the men I mentioned. What reason, had
in thii- country, it is the invariable custom to furnieli.. tiaY.h4o7.-f-,1 did.',) I do, notreinereber with any par; the Right Hon. Baronet for not having a common jury ?
the accused party with the-names of the Witnesses on the ticular minuteness the circumstances that did take place;:Wasit te case in which the Crown might not have availed
baCk of the indictment:ln Irelands-Where, ofcoerse, there but the 'HMIs° will forgive me; if P. draw their attention' itself of-its:prerogative of challenging the- jury'? -- My
was .e,
.perfect, equality-e(The ,Rightnoagurabic Gen 0 what Ido recollect of theni. 'We -Challenged the ire, Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Worcester
itleman' here spoke an a tone of bitter. iroity)==the-trai ray, and, the; form. ef that challenge is
-most material. In, (SirT. Wilde) etaidthey.woulduot have dared exercise versers ' applied`' • to• •1,
~,4 'furnished_ With a 'list, of thaechalleage we stated that e several lists in a certaiative; 'The -.AttOtney-General fin Ireland
those eetimeWitint.- they were :met, by a peremptolry paper-Writing, pUrpeitine 'to be, a general! list 'of' thug
uld have rlaredlear, hOar)--certainly no
refusal.: .. Ware-this -, What is- etolleel.- .assimilating, t )'. pry, and purporting to be made out of the eeveral-liete man can deny his intrepidity.-(Hear, and a laugh.)
!administration 'of- the 'law, between the twecountrteso' set forth and signed as aforesaid, - was illegally and fl-au But my ,Hon. •and Learned Friend says that the Crown
Here- Gentlemen opposite ' are ._ very Willing to tale( f - elently,, made outr for- the purpose and intent of is conteolle&by public opinion--,-the Crown, if metin Ire-
unanimityivheti its-eits'iheir Purpose. The Noble Lord tejudicing die_defendaetan - Then were all the facts. land, at.least in. this country, act;ng, under the coercion
ithe Secretary for *the Celetiles has laideagain lind'aga:iP; . Ut in -issue,: to ' use `the 'legal' phrase. ' We' net only' of British. sentiment, would not have ventured upon an
itheatheJndgee Were perfectly unanimous en °rev yuT, eriti?nedllie-nardes, but we ale° put in issue the fraud. act at once so 'culpable and so imprudent as to strike off
connected. with. the, trials.- But I assert that it is.
,9nly We put in issue the intention to prejudice_ the defen-e the names of persons of high respectability -because they
iWlfeli Unanitnity's'erVaa year pin-pose that yOU'regY C'
.1.!..i dints, -. We • Pelt itte issue eyelet you have suggested. Were Roman Catholics..-(Cheera) •If you Were sincere,
hut Svheit: a'dissentieet itipinithj vials expr6So(l,- -• .. tilts been thine by-the dhfeneants for thsir oWn benefit. in the Manift:.•Station of your desire to have 'Roman Ca
,Lord STANLEY--When? r ' ' .--• ,' ::, , _ , 7 .2 - . i_ " If. the - Crown had- - joined issue in these- facts, which thelies'up-On- ise j titelyeit had ei Teti -obvious mode of
Mr. SIIEILe--,Wbea. Mr. , justice Perrin pronouncued might hove been tried. itt half Vii hour' by:the Court,: for carrying your purpo,s.e .in.tele effect tiled realising- that .
his otiiiiiOn". Witt the tiaxerSeri were entitled tO be it was,uot a queeticar,to bp tried by a, jury, we having, desire when you found 3-our mistake. From the panel
:niched. Withtlee names of the'.Witriegs&:.--• Oh; •of cc;!tse- put in issue the 'MOJA material facts, the -loa of. the. froi4 which the Rornan Catholics ',had been 'excluded
'there nisi no notice- taken of their,aissenthmce, but
,1197.- names Which- Wag material, and the idle "giltion a - fraud yodul Jo t have got a common jury :Whose verdict wooled
loudly wan the unenimityof the judges blesoned iortote Which was -Still" more -so, was 'it not the duty of the have been unimpeache4, and the Whole controversy
When there was a concurrence of opinion on the part t, Crayau 'ha have. joine4, issue apen :them • under these cite: which hai taken place, anal ad the' agitatioe connected .
the tith'dt judges `With ctliti:-Chief Justice, 'Mien he
.Tc • eumettinces? I Hit had jeineteissne, and the decision had with it, might have been fortunately averted..-e(Cheers.)
plaited his eiew-of the claw as' pplicable' to the cahind.;
theen iii its favour, there -Nebula he 'ail -end of our -objec, Now ender these circumstances; I ask is it wonderful
(Cheers.) 1, will....ask' the. House iteit 'dees : net ;_ . ions, and if the ' facts hid been found against it, then- that in Ireland great excitement should have taken
that when, .from, the.haernony of the bench, nigh Hon.,t bf course the panel linust .haee.been, altered,. or some; place? Is it astonishing that the Roman CathOlics of
and ' IliOn. Gentleinen and NOble:.le.)?ds nliPiliietrie teelierspep most )141-e
-been, tektite,. Then law did the, Ireland should have felt indignant upon the subject?
deduced' •'-' coniequeriCes s -so .-- available '1(3.-' t'itl t )01.rt.,,4ecide ? . were the Court anaiiimeas.?. The; (Cheers.) -I4 it Wonderful a great public meeting should
particular -!camesa of : policy ena s•prejudicee, .ea Couet were not. - Mr. Justice Perrine'who• introduced* have taken place in every district of the country on the
where ,dissentience-.: of, Opinion.. prevailed on the the Act into Ireland, which lie. ' borrowed ne .fio the re- matterlk Were these meetings calhal by factious men?
botch, an inference equally , unfavourable to .theirt
.0040:e0de of tlie Right
.Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel)-- At the heed of one requisition' calling in Dublin a meet-
course Of pollee. lonl'iikeitidkeln ihose trials; is not 'to be • Mr. Justice Perrin, . who knew the operation of that ing was the name 'of Lard Kentnare, one of the most
drawn?: lAiy.i stated :Wore,' Mr: -JusticeTerrin' de- Act,. who was familiar. with . all its' details, who had • unqualified advocates Of - the union, :a man of great po-•s
'oared that it. Was &matter of righteto anew, she. tre- eerutinised -and- -adopted its_ maehinerys_mrs Justice sessions and -ancient birth, and closely allied to this
versers to haseethe;list °fah° wituesses.;%anl• Mr. Jus- Perrin decided, that , the. challenge of 'elm array was country.-(Hear,hear.) That nobleman felt. the, insult
rice 'Rarton, an Englisliiii4.-Wethegeinie remnant left goode.end. eaideehat the demurrer should be over- you :bad -offered to hint, and he signed the requisition,
Of thasit'clfitracteristicsby"lehlhiSi eciuntryinen -Were 7 eulede--(Heitr.) tut the
..,'c eyeen took e adein- not for the purpose of gratifying. any factious .-feeling,
4ietinguished; kaiei, Jetheeeptebdttldnot he required as tags-of`the decision Or the 'Majority of - the Court,. but from a sense of the insult that had been offered to
*a matter, of,righee yet. 4'vvr.44lcl' be, injudicious to refuse. and Went to,trial; althottele'one of the judges had declared'him: as ' a-Reman Catholic. There was a circumstance
It. - I tell the Attorney-Generel. 'who weiet itto- all thet. that the list, of the jury bad _been stained and.cprrypteci that gave additional poignancy to the feelings. of the
pert-oflhe ease; 'With respect' to'the`right elf the tra- by suspicion- :My,. Learned,Vriend suggests to me that Roman ' Catholics. of Ireland. That circumstance was
sersersctii- ihenitnis of the witnesses; he should :have- a dernurrer
.1.
alwen admits the facts for the purposes of this a-The Right Hon. 'Gentleman, the Attorney-
Mentioned theepinions,of justice Burton, Justice Perrin, theanruneut. 'llnt is the truth ; but I did not dwell ' . Genera for 'lreland; ' - thought fit ; to ' ' advert
and Mr. .Whiteside, 'the eloquent counsel '.for Mt. upon.it, because it. as a legal.fiction.e•lelviell upon whet: to conduct- .I, pursued fifteen 'years ago, in - a
O'Connell_7(totid
,- and continued cheeritig)---etfid: then is more substantial. - the Crown had the opportunity of trial at ..-Clonmel. •He will excuse. me if I venture to
let the House remember that,. an 'applieiition which would. ascertaining a - feet . if the -utneeit materiality-., edvert in this House to an expression of political ()pinion
have been granted'PieelfireZenteyehad been denied in (Heat%) - The Crowns shrank from ' that investiga- by which he made himself most conspicuous in Ireland.
Irelanknotwithetatiding tf4strongopinioeementioned by tion, and 'Went' On-aVith the ease, With the protest of one. An opinion of which I believe the Iteent Hon. Baronet,
the learned endhighusiuded Judge Bertmee the, decision of the judges against it.
~ LThe verdict. which you have: at the head of her Majesty's Goeernmeint, Is not aware
of Mr, Justice Perrin, .and the ,strong arguments of Mr. obtained hiss : been obtained through the interveo7v :-(Hear, hear.) .I do
,not mention this for `the purpose
Whiteside:-Kllear; hear, and cheers) ladtnit that the` Con of a jury condeinned hy' bee of the ;judges of malevolence--(ironical cheers from the Ministerial
Attorney-General hadalloWeathe'trial tote postponed, , who Sat•'in• that Conrt.(Hear, hear.) 7it all'-the ' benches)-et bear no ill-Will to the Right Hon. Gentle--
but it 'was preved• that it wei .necessary to -procure evi-'1 judges - were unanimous as to the abstract law stated roan.-Hear; hoar, froiu the
,Opposition.) I have no
Bence on the part of the . CrOWnl, and . ' the next- was, - by . the . Chief
-Justice, the : judges :-_eeere not unenie no tire for ,in-will towards mini; lie meter did me wrong.
that there were . but twenty-fire. Catholics on. the 'p i anel; mous, they were not at all unanimous, es to the verdict; That_Right Hmi. Gentleman imagines that a conspiracy
when it wis known tbat many more ought to have been ne
because one of. the judgesecbodenmed- the panel, the was entered into at the bar for 'the purpose of exaspe-
on the apedialjuiy'llst. BO what -If 'dent iS' the miser- ! feundation.anhe -verdict ; and if the' panel be shaken, rating him...and wounding his feelings, that was unfor-
thin made by :one•f Hon. -Gentleman that this was the . the entire auperstructune,..itl may-80 say, reieed.npon tunately nMistake on his part ; but Ido take upon my
fault of. the, Court, for Judge Burton expressed. his este- it, met of course fall ;too.---(Cheers,) I come none to- honour to assure him, that there 'Was no such in
nishment thee Catholics twenty-five 9-ea were npon the ! another 'poiticn of this case, ,the striking off' or Rieman on
entertiethed.-e:(Hear; hear.) But !leis a public man,
jury liit; and 'when this surprise was expressed the Citholice, froM 'the 'jury. I - see I nth occupying-the' and in spenkingof public men opposed to him, he does
.Hene and lLeereed TAttorney-Generale hiving the case ; Hou-se : too long-(Loild -cheers)-buteit -is! a • 'eliae • not exhibit, any particular delicacy, and he must expect,
before him, idid "consent. to ,postpone-the=, -trial with the iof . paramount,: :importance, : It -•is ,a -ctiee. • , in, • when political _ antagonists come to scrutinise his con-
vie, as lie
.alleged,, eoetellew time to! rho •treverserato : which I was counsel, ,in which
,I inevitably took ducteind examine his motives, they will ask '"what
prepare the .necessary evidence fortheir 'defence. • But- 'a- ver*. Warm ,interest-4 should feet.' asluinted- manner of man lie is," and what course he has pursued.
I if the Attorney-General lied refitted this appliea, 7, ipi had not...ind*ith the facts .of which I am, to a He, last .night, adverted to a speech I made at a trial•
tion for Postponement,': ana.:insisted mitheerayeesers I certain extent, more familiar than where-and I ent not.. He said he was sorry.,. for what he , had stated,
going lirnmediatelyto trial, andtliet upon a panel_which i conscious that ere-anything which I have stated I have end, as he says he is sorry.fot it, he is to be forgiven.-
was imperfect, and .whiCh 1.-say fearlessly. - -distinctly ', departed ili. the slightest degree from - the-facts.-(Hear, (Hear, hear.) 'lt was impossible that Human Catholics,
the' Recorder hirriseltdeelared to be imperfect,'-esees e
healer NOW it is said by Mr. scrams` 7 that '-fhere Were' when they came to compare his 'conduct at the trial.with
" Mr.'' SHAW (the . Recorder of Dublin)-It was :- ten Roman 'Catholics-on the -fiat Eight of .:them I ail-.. opinions •be had expressed, :should not have 'suspicions -i
inneerfect. -- . ; '. _'', ' , e. -. • '''' ': 'i ,•'- ' ..•- el mit were- most ,properly
.struck .off-(Pear, beer.) 4- . that Unfair 'dealing was intended' in their re pins. - The
... Mr..SHEIL--Yes, it was imperfect. I none:cone to P••,' cannot fer.st moment pretend that eight men who were; factl allude to is this--a great public assembly took
revision Kilii, jury listeindl,shall .begiy• lay'dectering i me -hers of the IlepJal Asaobiation, or ' Sabieribeia' to l place.iii Dublin' in the year.. 1837 Where the prinCheal
that ft;lsteti?: firm and sincere Coieviction• het'telhe'Re- I. its funds; ought:to-. have been retained upon !the-Jury, • Conservatives of thateity met together; that great public
cordet Or I a City- or publineehere *esete lie attached ! I could.no moreCentend for it than -I
,coeld., contced't. assembly moved earesoluthine and he -toide e most active
not the slightest moral, blame.for tiny one_ the transit- that.hir. Sheriff Kallener sliouldhave been, reettined.epon I. part .in the .proceedings, some of whichrelated tothe
tiona with. respect to those lists, and I believe that he . jury.-(cries of "Ilene," Yea-I
-tithe Oppbalitiei4,But there - question of education.--(Hen r, hear, from -the OppOSi-
Welild prefer that his right -liend'shOiild -wither 'rather - were tW.O 'nen' who Were not .members of -:tlieltrepetl;;tion.) -That I mention. in a parenthesis ; - with it thave
then employ it iii an unfair way -,in• :these traosec- - Aatieteiation, oat Tthci,.,had-not•subscribed ;to thee peal 4 nothing to do now. The meeting was attended by l!dr.
thins:::-But' while I idake.this.statementein ;Which I-feel ) Fula- Med: tl*AfficlAyit, aMr,Kenemis lit is in theee. ;Lytton, Whom you have made a Master' in Chancery-el,
assured every ~. one: wito,7
.kimv-s,•t.he ;-Right Honour- . terms :e--liesays " that hehilieveds end stilt believese, 'by Mr. Lefroy whom- 3-on have made -a:judge-by Mr.
able ,and Leareed Gentkin-anTWill Concur, he will that twOof the persons WheWere Retneit-Catholics Were. 'Ja.ckson : -ilium .you have ids° made a ..j edge
f6,4iv., •me if . 1., say' - triaei althOugh • his judicial !' members of the Repeal -Aeeeciation, -or be and , 'by the - Right Honourable Gentleman. wham ,
and ` his Ministerial tines einght..not have concurrede.': its ' funds,'.' , ' Now • Mre Hendrick -is -- a- RetO4ll..cetlen/ic, : you haxemade Attorney-General. The resolutionspas:sed
still I tense i_e•wathie pentteloegt ditty ;to, /nave remained , and about 11f r. Ilendrkele theeMieetteleY.:7.oeneril
_dd noteeatehat meetingieere- of a .The I
most violent cbaracter: 0 .I'l4.
'in Dublin-it was his duty tie' have 'beet ,present When' say a-slizigTiesviifa Vsttnight ; lib' &Tait tti 'tlitiOn't'declareeL that ithsi.:47trotarsianaoaaaf' izjailaitadl t wol""
4 that
the book containing the jury list was being.made up. He his name.--(Hear, bear.) Now see what course has time in la perilous a condition as in the year 1641;