The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-27 00:00:00

THE CASE OF BAIWN ROTHSCHILD.

In reply to Lord J. MANNERS,
Lord J. RUSSELL stated, that if it should be mines.
sary to adjourn the debate on Monday on the motion re-
lating to Baron Rothschild, he should propose that it ke
adjourned to the Thursday following.

CEYLON.
Mr. BAILLIE called the attention of the House to
the report of the Ceylon Committee. The Com-
mittee had come to the extraordinary resolution of
not reporting to the House either their opinion
upon the matter referred to them or the evidence
which they had taken, but that they would recommend
the evidence to the serious attention of the Government;
that was to say, the Committee was appointed to
inquire into the conduct of the Government, and they
recommend the evidence to their serious consideration.
He need not say that he utterly repudiated hav-
ing anything whatever to say to this report,
which he believed to be discreditable to the Committee,
and not very respectful to the House. The Committee
recommended a Commission to be sent out to Ceylon.
which the House had previously decided should not be,
in the event of the Government not taking some
step, such as recalling the present Governor,
to improve the government of the colony. It
was too late, however, at this period of the
session to go fully into the mitter, and he
therefore gave notice that early next session he should
move that the evidence be printed.
THE CHURCH IN WALES.

Mr. J. WILLIAMS—It being well known that the
separation of the great body of the people from their
ancient Church in Wales is caused by the want of sym-
pathy on the part of their English eeclesiastical rulers
with 'their feelings, habits, and language, and that the
solemn ceremony of confirming children and consecrat-
ing churches is still performed in language not under-
stood by the people, I beg to ask the first L9rd of the
Treasury whether he will assure the House that no
clergyman shall, in future, be appointed to any see in
the principality of Wales, who is not well acquainted
with and able to speak, read, write, and preach in the
Welsh language?

Mr. NICHOLL wished, before the Noble Lord an-
swered that question, to ask the First Lord of the Trea-
sury whether he contemplates the necessity of repealing
the Act 1 and 2 Vic., c. 106, secs. 103, 104,105 ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in answer to the Hon.
Member fur Macclesfield (Mr. Williams), had to
state that some years ago it was a question
with that House whether or not the House would pro-
pose to enact that no clergyman should be appointed to
a see in Wales who was not acquainted with the Welsh
language. That proposal was rejected, it being thought
desirable to leave to the Crown its full discretion as to
the appointment to sees in Wales. Considering that cir-
cumstance, and considering also the manner in which
that discretion wes exercised, he did not think it right
to give an assurance on the matter. With reference to
the second question, he considered that the present Act
did make sufficient provision on the matter of the know-
ledge of the Welsh language being had by the parties
holding official situations in Wales; and his persuasion
was no further legislation was required, but if it were ha
should have no hesitation in proposing a modification
of it.

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be for ever degraded. He (Mr. Hume) W 25 ". pr 1'
to rill )w her Maes:y's subjects to remain an hoar loote'ly
under a governor of that description than waitab'Olseeot,
neceasary. The sentences of the court's-marl bad ,
,e,
moreover, hcsu coefirtned by eitoer Lord Terra
Colonel Drought, or General Swett; and though sal
powers a theee courts had been delegated first to Ge
i retiree'
Smelt, and then to Colonel Drought, and then t° it ut a
, tliepro, the Pentences were carted ire° effect vviatbobeoo
moment's delay, and the poor creatures wh" h „leis!
condemned were shot next morning. The COurts.
°under
tt at perpetrated the atrocities at Cephalonia
et,
the senctien of Sir H. Ward were, at all er,e;
regularly constituted, but those which perpetrate. a
_,
atrocities committed at Ceylon under the ssnctibeeia°;
Lord Torrington were perfectly illegal, the coo
$e e (gr,
rarely_ composed of more than three members. el ee.
.thme), theref Ay, protested agaiost the whnle Pr ere re
Not only
logs of the Government in the matter. wire
the miserable inhabitants of Cee lon shot, but they
also plundered; and it was stated that the proclionstra
of outlawry and martial law were isstv d by Cavaned
Watson to certain favoured individuals, who nf these
themselves of the opportunity to rob the boo" °fe be
whom they arrested, or who had sought safety
;sue t;°°'
and sold the property afterwards by public; 5 'tit tO
Was sought 01
There was a portion of the evidence that
be stifled. lie (Mr. dame) demanded, in the nameisto
40,003 petitioners before the House, that anti qui,ryi do
all these circumstances should take place, d that Go
guilty perpetrators should not be screened by. the
~,iti
vernment, and that the House should not 3911C10110eu.7_,A,
silence Lord Grey's approval of these atrocious prox_ereo
tiered
ins. He was deeply grieved to be obliged to
himself so strongly on the subject; but he redoes that
that no language was too strong for the airociee
.so,
had taken place in Ceylon. He trusted, therefore,"'oo
the Noble Lord in sell-defence would now prCOO tutee,
vidence suppressed by the majority of the 00.
and so vindicate his own character, as well as the° 4
nit Lord
and of the ouse.
J.credit RUSSELLH said that the House would.flgereee
with him, that it was quite impossible to oast° im mm
discussion of the affairs of Ceylon when the unin 0,4
had not reported the evidence. To discuss theta rag
the statements of the Hon. Member for Montrosneotioe
altogether out of the question, and he hoPetl. e esti
would take for granted any of the statements eil1:10"ea estl
not borne out by evidence. All that the Conollattestin
done was to call the serious attention of her s'eoeit•
Government to the snbject, and to advise the aProjese
ment of a Commission of Inquiry into the fac,„ts, (Dord,
other steps were taken to settle the matter. leeeo ot
J. Russell) could ouly state that the serious attetTe
sub.
her Majesty's Government had been oven to the rote
ject, and that the strictest inquiry should be 00:019 to
the conduct of all persons concerned in the e'seierea
Ceylon. He had no doubt the Committee eon
°f of
they had sufficient reason to vote the suppressl°°Ortioa
evidence ; but he had reason to know that some port
of that evidence had still am peered in CeYiennt ti° etees
purloined) from some Hop Member of the -,.°oll3sliplect ill
He hoped more care would be taken in that of the
the future, but he could not assent to the request
Hon. Member. e, rd °II
Mr. GLADSTONE agreed with the Noble --?be es°
the question could not then be discussed; strong ng er
not at all surprised, he would confess, At the Str°l6 /51
pressions of the Hon. Member for Montroseesa Dore
true that the Committee had decided, as the 400111
stated, against reporting the evilence; but it l're'" large
Abe a 'oe
true that only the very day before they ha- eeePtle
mefajority come to an opposite decision, with the egotist'
In thath
portion of it which was personal or coaleseseote
is opinion the Hon. Member for Montrose morelu to
Member for Inverness would be doing n° ssione°
raring
duty in t king the first opportunityaet of Gat
aiong the question, both as to the conduct °tool's
Gofer coodtle
vernor of Ceylon, and the conduct of the
home; and last, but not least in importance, the e
Committee.
of the woe/
Mr. J. S. WORTLEY said thenrCoonlitte? oof tile
mendsd the evidence to the serious considerldeeee 04
Government, but they did not report that e oicstef
the House. How could that evidence be colnwemoers °I,
the
the Government, except through those '''? It Ass
dhiteneGholtveterndmeeetndte.whlonwehrtes oenptetihohe Ctoirgntweemitttelabe,ett
well as - Jibs
taken a most unwarrantable course, a 9
ad
pcireoo/oeaded
inconsistent one. The inquiry, however,
ethxei:tence of a state of things in Ceylon which
immediate attention of the Governertt'nf the. Cdflt;
Mr. HAWES said he was a member to his
time
mittee, and in that caaci he thought it t° to 1
to submit the evidence laid before it
Tee Co ste he ett
to the Colonial Sic
etary of State. Tee --".., of the
also
furnished
the Government with a coPe
t, from timeitteell.,
A 935°t
dence. w s - WS'
Mr. W. PATTEN submitted that this - ;the ,-,e,
irregular mode of proceeding on the part :he f101.',"0.
Member, and quite contrary to the rules 0, th® eed 1
Ha put it to the chair if it was not infer° 1 the
proper. at ' la
The SPEAKER was understood to sousetb i
t :: 1 a
Committee reported the evidence to the 40 °v.-, it
then be communicated. The Committee °bet abut it
that the evidence ought not to be reported, ",, 10'4,
should be referred to her Majesty's Govereelgeleiit'`
was for the House • tbe ‘'''
who had not the to refer it, and not etet
Mr. BRIGHT had to
do so them ert se r tbi 0
never seen a reP „evor,ooe.
ridiculous, so utterly lame, and so entirely, *
t e. P-, tflo
power
its serious character, as that of the Cotnal"'se las., the
in g at the rumours that prevailed during that,/ ta;ee,
yeHeaurase,
thee
fecroenesidtehreedc tmloamt
ititteewotuoldrebpeo tne the elith3lo
report t"wand it tiet
The Committee had been sitting two Ye°l;elorhig sold
for the House to ascertain whether it Wa" That see
period, doing
.anything or doing nothingedeeee,..A lee
only be proved by the publication of the er'segarnbs
ptriaceiosnaeit-if the gravest nature existed es loci frer°'
trusted tiehnast t
duction of the evidencsee
thheatuehead taken place in CO el the r
the SPEAKER a
The '
subject then dropped. • thattoo P
On
should leave the chair, wouldgtlkine hp
uh thereforetetfien before
tthhee :ct:oe:Pt
00. 1 , 0 ,
f ate
RETIRED NAVAL OFFICOS% 0 c• so
Sir G. PECHELL rose to call the atrillsti°'lo(l4llol/'
House to the case of the retired rear-100°5a if•esrstile,
thel judicial appointments of vice admiral a°l", of 11 pa
mil
merit
tf
had
de
been United
p rleipi
on.
sgeddo Kingdom.
theln 1A8:1151i
rail,y'::B-4b6otool:noroff
the demerit of not being compulsorY• , °Jeri/1-04
plan was issued, which threatened tue
tifereesaa ;Set.
civil a ointments in the case of non•remeeraserest,-
activepseprvice. The Hon. and Gallant uerSirPs'loll
iciaitewdhsteehveral instances, among them that not been.' or
treated by ho considered naval officers had kir cif' $O4
me
nt s beingnud to
compelledretire
et og
makei ve
WtlaPyllttb"
ieeh. et:lb:il :re
concluded by movg
. eld bin flag
for a return of still the
pointments h
Sir F. BARING couldo-
active service. NO' VI $
re
nffioctearso,r distinguishing
I,l;:eir,
was.e no rule which prevented a naval officer. rega`,„olo-
- g a civil appointment. There were certanlole Its'loe 1
with respect to the receipt of salary, butssn°o- VI" cigi
ting to a prohibition ageinst naval 0111,,ees-g Sup,stiers
civil appointment. No officer h°l-iene" it, iP. d
appointment bad been compelled, to .ge'-e0 0, "eV-
to accept a retiring allowance. TIN; Pr'vlhe'd theft sts,
went had been offered to certain officers, '14010.'004
gladly accepted the offer, but it was not °rho I:l°,,elr
them to do so. The cases referred to by ;joie '
ire
Gallant Gentleman had not hapPene"
AfterDls
pa
wfehwtehwworedrse from cad yltailr
office. 0- ofel
DuN
Sir J. DUKE referred inaudible in , „le 0• s-, iee'. ef
to the case 01 '-' Galls seo.o
complained of the hardship to which that, `l",i tbatis `
had
H.
subjected. If there was a rate 'sally's e
Mr'
tilbeglgil•rs4 asrl'Aoef
similar Hart, that rule ought to have heett 4.
00.001S°'
cases.
Admiral BERKELEY ,acoliii
a the - , „es
explaine
under which Sir H. Hart took the retiree:le°
which
was refused by Sir Watkin Pell. 0
The ,e,lll'. 00ae
ton was then negatived.
to thatMß. G. A • oft 4, f 0
partßEl,oofwe OF - efeECesee' he IV
Mr. HENLEY rose to call the attentioa
eft, Es ..p.' J
relates to Reading,
to the poor-lawth, report of G. A;l3eneeteee.; traOrse
in Berkshire, con al s„t ale eel, teo
command of her
of the boardtzta. on laws. of settle
i:lseol,:slatepd,
cilisro
poor, presented to both Houses 01 et I°o4i 0
A'
jesty, in the year tot e, 41,
stated by Mr,
existed in Be . Berkshire and other 1 5 1:).-
. ilit° tiled
small houses p ace ,
Beckett in his report f vielteeliesol
.n , and thus driving the occuPa d a Lee of
taken
in his
ei
fg poor-house. t
hlTeeehai
subject.sl
istatement u had eh v
vd
cies, ahrner 90:_,..0 :0000? t
osbeig 00
ilo
wouelnd placeon
consent to let him take an oPPI°OO wee,'
that the whole er nsteke teesse
that if any errore existed
Mr. R. PALMERcorrespondence be let.treight hoer
6
tain whether the
intoand a t -co •
in the matter, 1 0 0 re
corrected. cOareOr• A OA
statementssai d ie i
n had
the e end
edpes.,seht
boofarelys !lit;
eweinckee,ras far as his own immediate noge-ace eb'eitesest,
that flailed'
cated ad
correct, and he had 1],,,?,t 1,101 C°ool4o/
ey had any real foundation. 01 e -,,0 tb°,loe!' bi
Ivith gentleman in Oxfordshire :, thlt:001°10/
and
was concerned the
reply was that the report, es fits,- It -la 5'
9 concerned, was at variance with fe, f/013 hels
satisfactory if the Right Hon. Gentletni4- ietveo
these papers to be placed on the table. 000 oft,
Mr. BAINES would be sorry if all .stltto at,d 9
reports should be found to do injustle,en be "r" (JO"
With reference to the matters in eneset`e°o- 'hade3eil".ele't/ig
municeted with Mr. A'Beckett, 9flu„.— if Pee;:bese,
him to go down to reading aud veritYrd forP4' or 0.
statements that had been made.. Ile ha, eocP,r Ole
result to the Hon. Member, which. resn'ta to albs le'
original statements; and he now bogies WO A
lon. Member that he ' eadY '''' 4,, /0"
was quite r •
papers he had on the subj ce sy ~,. op 00, ie
THE EXHIBITION IN 0119.",;,tteneir 024
Colonel SIBTHORP rose to draw theGeeer: to 7eer,
House to the refusal of the Attorney...ode' roteri
certain documents necessary to enable 000 to
of
for an injunction against the Conernis,ai°parlressclioid,
teem from erecting any building in LlY"ee-reine'elerrof,
glad to find that the opinions of three 0 ice et'se.he 11-
(Res'r6' Kelly, Rolt, and Cairns) were
llf rt;
with his own, and that the case bad been 'l.4ousstere , ira
very distinguished member of the °th the Of feel),lo tsb
view of inducing the first law officer '' reasons vote PA'
considerli his decision. Amongst the rsecisisel loOri
Hon. and Learned Gentleman for Oh° (CoPetldte ,ildi
vote of the House of Comma's. Nw ''re , of 000(1'
tertaiued very little respect for then 191)',7r; if teeee ~,;
of Commons, and he should be very, s°,` decionigertlie:f
part of his property depended on WO, cede;' sor iotei
feeling frequently stepped in and ieterte op efiti it
and with the rights and liberties of tb,°, Pof 080 lel
was a majority at the beck and call tbe ee 01
t epoa ,ro es re'
whose rte. tl ,is e bad the same effse fleets, jois 0 I))
sound of the huntsman's horn on Ochre aioa beem ory!
—Laughter. ) He was borne out in Lich laavvevfedfi
formed on this case by the petition w'er, o fire tole
sentei, namely, that the Commissinheoprme r
Forests had no right whatever to aPir 0 tliy-
of England to anything that they ril 6