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country as completely as it was accepted by the Roman
Catholics in the other parts of Ireland ? (Hear,
heir.) Ho (Sir James Graham) regretted—deeply
regretted—that the members of the Church of Eng-
land had not derived all the advantages from the
schools under this system of which it bad been.
proved they were susceptible of imparting; but why
was this the case, and what caused it? It was simply
because the clergymen of the Church of England in Ire-
land, he was sorry to say, had led the way in a spirit of
uncompromising hostility against the national system.—
(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had read the statements
of a clergyman who attended the school in his own
parish, and he had told the House that the result was,
that though the Protestant and Catholic children were
instructed in the history of their religion, it could not
he described as religious instruction.—(Hear, hear.)
The Hon. Member who had brought forward the motion
had described the national system of education in Ire-
land as latitudinarian, and he (Sir J. Graham) admitted
that a greater objection could not be made to it, sup-
posing the objection to be well founded. But if he was
not mistaken, there existed most irrefragable proofs t
the contrary. An annual examination of the children of
all the parochial schools of Dublin took place in the
June of every year, and the Society for the Suppression
of Vice and the Promotion of Religious Education in
Marlborough-street gave premiums to thou, best versed
in the Sacred Scriptures on that occasion t those
children educated in the tenets of the Established
Church. Those examinations were made by Protestant
clergymen. Now, what was the fact? In June, 1849, the
number of children from all the Protestant schools of Dub-
in, sent up for this examination, was 297; the num-
ber of those who received premiums was 99, and of this
number. 9 out of 24 children sent up from the National
Model School of Dublin were among the recipients of
premiums. With facts like this before the House, was
it possible to say that Protestant children, though
brough
under
t up
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e naaotron system,anal Catholi
igcsminht not obtain
schools,
the best education in the tenets and history of their own
religion. He held it tab° indisputahly_proved that they
could; and he therefore only regretted that Protestant
clergymen of the Established Church should persevere
in their opposition to that system on grounds so
thoroughly untenable. The Noble Lord at the head of
the Government had been taunted with applying all the
patronage of the Church in the hands of Government in
Ireland to the furtherance of the national system of
education in that country. It was not for him (Sir J.
ttoderi
d the Noble Lord—he was well able
Gtorickisatmha) himself; but the Government of which he
(Sir J. Graham) was a member had taken quite an op-
posite course, distributing the Church patronage in Ire-
land indifferently among those clergymen whom they
deemed best fitted for ecclesiastical preferment. But
how had the prelates so preferred acted in respect
to the national system—how had they ' exercised
the patronage
with . with which they were in-
trusted in reference to that system? If he bad
been rightly informed, they had uniformly used their
utmost exertions in the support and maintenance and
promotion of those clergymen most opposed to the doc-
trines of that system.—(Hear, hear.) • Something had
been said with regard to the conscientious scruples of
the members of the Church of England in the matter by
the Hon. Member for Dublin; but he (Sir J. Graham)
would ask was the system of education pursued in
Trinity College of .an exclusively Protestant character?
—(Hear, hear) He admitted, in the distribution of
honours, emoluments, and rewards, that college was most
exclusive—(Hear, hear)—but as regarded education, he
denied altogether that it was exclusive. On the contrary,
he believed that, with the exception of an examination
upon entrance in the Greek Testament, not on points of
doctrine, but in scanning verses, until a degree was taken
there was no conpulsory interference with reading, as
regarded the Scriptures or in respect to a religious edu-
cation.—([fear, hear.) There was another fact: in all
the workhouses of Ireland there were schools in con-
nexion with the national system of education. All these
workhouses, however, had Protestant chaplaini. If
those religious scruples alluded to by the Honourable
Member were binding upon the universal body of the
clergy of the Established Church in Ireland, it would
of course be impossible to find chaplains for the work-
houses.—(Hear, hear.) These chaplains, nevertheless,
attended the schools in the several workhouses, and
aided in carrying out the systern.—(Hear, hear.) It was
true there was one little circumstance to be taken into
account in these cases upon which, however, he did not
desire to lay too great a stress—there was a salary at-
' tached to each chaplainship.—(Hear, hear,-and laughter.)
It might be said that the building was desecrated by the
performance of the Roman Catholic service within its
walls; but that was found to be no objection to the chap-
lain.—(Hear and laughter.) Again, there were the gaols
in Ireland, to .which there were chapels attached for the
celebration of Divine service. Was the Protestant ser-
vice, according to the ritual of the Established Church,
exclusively celebrated in these chapels? By no meaus
—(Hear)—mass, according to the forms of the Roman
Catholic worship, was celebrated there also. Still
there was no scruple on the part of the Protestant cler-
gymen to accept the office of gaol chaplains.—(Hear and
laughter.) There was also a salary attached in this
case.—(Hear and laughter.) With reference to. the
question of scruples, it was therefore impossible to
overlook these facts.—(Hear, hear.) In the shape in
which the question was brought before the House,
it was put in an alternative form, either the system
should be modified, or an exclusive grant should be made
to the Established Church. A modification of the
system, however, meant an enforced reading of the
Scriptures in these schools from the authorised version.
—(Hear, hear.) It meant that or it meant nothing, and
he believed the Hon. Member. for Dublin would bear
him out that this was what was intended by a modification.
But 'f that was adopted the Government might as well
declare at once that the national system of education in
Ireland was extinguished ; for once that modification
was insisted on—from that moment the schools would
be completely deserted by the Roman Catholic children
of the country.—(Hear, hear.) If they gave to one par-
ticular religion a separate branch from the Roman
Catholic, that would make the system different from the
national system in Ireland. He would ask them, there-
fore, to consider well what they were doing. The Hon.
Gentleman had appealed first to the justice and then to
the policy of what he proposed. But if they were to
make that change they ought to make it on a principle
of justice; and shot would deniand that, if they made any
exclusive grant for education according to the princi-
ples of the Established Church, to the amount of 10,000/.
or 12,0001., they would be obliged to make a grant to au
extent.of about 80,0001. for the Roman Catholics, They
had begun, by .a penal code, to. expel what was called a
fallacious doctrine, and that attempt was .a harsh and
cruel one.—(Hear, hear.) The • present attempt bad
been made as a substitute for that system, and it had
been inteuded to give by it a united education to both
Protestants and Roman Catholics. By that they sought
to establish in a more Christian manner that which had
means. If 480,000
benefit otherbenefit of the national system
previously
persons
rbee been
derivingat attempted pttheed
of education in Ireland, while 400,000 of those might be
Roman Catholics, there were 80,000 who were members
of the. Established Church.-:(Hear, hear.) He could
not help believing that altheugh that system might not
have borne all the fruits that might have been at first
promised from it, yet its success had been signal—(Hear,
hear.) And he believed there was no Roman Catholic
country in Europe (for Ireland it could not be denied was
a Roman Catholic country)—(Hear, hear)--where, by
the consent of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, any edu-
cation so Scriptural as that under the national system
in Ireland was tolerated.—(flear, hear.) lie would ask
them, then, were they to disturb that system? He had
heard with inexpressible setisfection his young friend
near him (Mr Stanley) defend that system which his
noble father had supported. Ile might say of his young
friend:—

" Ascaniuna surgentem et apes haeredis Jun
Respite."
(Hear, hear.) He entreated. Hon. Gentlemen at that
(the Opposition) side of the House to pause before they
displaced that great monument of the success of Lord
Stanley's statesmanship and wisdom.—(Hear, hear.) He
(Sir J. Graham) had watched the national system of
education in Ireland with much anxiety. Amid the
darkness which hung over, that country, it was the only
bright spot. He entreated them not to overshadow that
light, not to extinguish that Promethean heat, which it
might be impossible to resuscitate.—(Hear.) They had
thought and talked of similarity of institutions. That
was a dangerous topic--(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial
side)—to touch upon. There could not be an equality
of institutions while the Established Church of Ireland
was not that of the majority of the people of that
country.—(Hoar, hear.). The only grant which they
had ever offered the Roman Catholics of that country in
the nature of an endowment, was that which they had
given for the sustainment of the system of na'tional edu•
cation. If they made it an exclusive grant, however, in
terms, he believed there were many of the Roman Ca-
tholic prelates and priesthood, who would rejoice at the
success of the motion of the Member for the University
of Dublin. In conclusion he would warn them against
overthrowing that system about which he acknowledged
he felt so much anxiety, and he would give an unhesitat-
ing vote against the motion of the Hon. Gentleman.—
Memberhelp
expressing
deep(Cheers from the Ministerial side.)
Mr. NA.PIER supported the resolution of his Hon.
could Fie nd n
ot hte University of Dublin, and
the taunt thrown out by the Right lion. Baronet the
Member for Ripon, that the. Protestant clergy were
actuated by mean and mercenary motives.—(Cheers
from the Opposition.) He wanted to know what answer
he was to give to the Protestants of Ireland when they
said the Roman Catholics of England get a share•of the
Government grant for education, and they asked why
the Established Church in Ireland should not be equally
favoured? It was not complained in the case of the
Roman Catholics that their schools were proselytising;
why should the same principle not be applied to the
Protestants in Ireland, who had to pay their proportion
of that grant ?—(dear, hear.) Was conscience to be
respected in England and not in Ireland ? Were
those who did not insist on scriptural education to
receive Government assistance in England, while
those who had always—who now did—firmly uphold
scriptural education, were refused it simply because they
lived in Ireland? He asked if that was justice ?
(hear, hear.) The Noble Lord who had made a
most Christian speech in opposition to the Secular Edu-
cation Bill of the Hon. Member for Oldham, the other
day had abandoned that principle on the present occa-
sion, and insisted that in Ireland they should merely
take cognizince of secular education. If either Protes-
tants or Roman Catholics came over to this country,
they would be entitled to share in the public grants.
All, in fact, were so entitled, except those who denied
religion altogether, and thus they came to the conclu-
sion, that in Ireland the members of the Protestant Es-
tablished Church were exposed to the same exclusion and
the same stigma as those who denied all religion.—
(Hear.) But he put it to the Noble Lord the Member
for Lynn, who so ably represented his father,
if if was the hi-tent-ion of-his noble relation'tO exalude the
Protestants of Ireland from all participation in these

grants? He belived that Noble Lord was most desirous
to es!ahliah a system of united education, but the result
was, according to the report of the Commissioners
on the subject, when it was tried, that scrip-
tural combined education was impracticable, and
that secular must be kept apart from scriptural instruc-
tion. The consequence was, that instead of schools
being open to all, as was intended by the Noble Lord,
the conditions laid down excluded a large number of
Protestant children from these schools.—(Hear, hear.)
The practical arrangements were of such a character as
to exclude all religious education from the common in-
struction given in the schools. When religious instruction
was to be given, a large board was exhibited stating the
fact, and the Roman Catholic children left them. In se-
cular instruction they had unity, but when the name of
God was mentioned, when prayer or praise was to be
offered up to the Creator, then came separation and iso-
lation.—(Hear, hear.) That was what was called deno-
minational education. The Right lion. Baronet the
Member for Ripen said he did not understand that term,
but he found in a former speech of the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet that he advocated education under the superin-
tendence of the Church exclusively.—(Hear, hear.)
Those were the opinions of the Right Hon. Baronet when
ho was a younger man, and he believed they were opi-
nions in which honourable men would more readily coin-
cide than they would with his present views.—(Bear.)
The Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth had
given similar opinions, and he thought he could not ad-
duce better authority. If the word of God was fixed and
certain, he would ask if it was to be changed with the
changing whims and inroads of politicians and states-
men? A question had been raised, whether it was pos-
sible to get clergymen ale ays to superintend these
schools; but that was not the point at issue. The ques-
tion was, whether they should not have the parochial
schools in Ireland under the same superintendence, and
conducted on the same principle as these schools were in
England? Why should we have one rule for the Church
of Ireland, and another for the Church of England, when
according to law they were a united Church?—(Hear,
hear.) It appeared that there were not 100 clergymen
in Ireland who had joined these schools, but it was not
therefore to be inferred that the Bishops imposed any
test on the clergy. The Noble Lord had referred to the
report of the Commission of 1830, bUt the system was
very different as proposed by the Prelates at that time.
They proposed to have parochial schools under the
superintendence of the clergy, but they proposed also
to have supplementary schools, in which lessons con-
sisting of extracts from the authorised version of the
Holy Scriptures were to be read daily.—(Divide, and
cheers.) The real question was not whether the na-
tional system was right or wrong; but conceding that it
was right, for argument sake, they had come to the de-
cision that all denominations of Christians should have
the power of teaching the Scriptures according to their
own conscience.—(Hear, hear.) -Well, then he would
ask was education an imperial or a local question? If
it was an imperial question, why should the Churchmen
of Ireland alone be excluded from its' benefits? The
Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Ripon had elo-
quently expressed his hopes of a better future for Ire-
land, from the continuance and spread of education; but
he would say, that the only way to make that education
really useful, and to put down political turbulence and
discontent, was to place the Protestant Churchman upon
the same footing as the other denominations in Ireland.
Mr. SHEIL said he begged to assure the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman who had just sat down, and he hoped
he might venture to call him his Hon. and Learned
Friend, that he (Mr. Shell) should not coasider any
system of education as deierving the name of" nationat"
to which the Irish Protestants could take just objection.
—(Hear, hear.) Ho entertained for his Protestant fel-
low-countrymen a stronger feeling than mere patriotism.
When he considered the wisdom, the genius, the elo-
quence, the virtue and the talent; when he recollected
how many great statesmen, profound writers, and he
would add gallant soldiers they numbered, he could not
withhold the expression of his admiration, and he would
say his gratitude, when he remembered, what be never
could forget, namely, that within the last century there
was not a sigle one of those great and eminent men that
did not take a part in elevating the condition of their
Roman Catholic fellow-countrymen.--(Loud cheers.)
Influenced by those feelings, he would deprecate as much
as any man present the perpetration of a wrong to the
religious feelings of his Protestant fellow-countrymen.—
(Hear.) But at the same time he thought that where
a grant of money was asked, where the scruples of Hon.
Gentlemen took an acquisitive turn—(Laughter)—
where the Chancellor of the Exchequer was called upon
to administer spiritual consolation to Hon. and Learned
Gentlemen—(Laughter)—it was but reasonable that the
House should inquire whether the objections were well
founded, and whether the fears are not • visionary by
which the Parliamentary consciences of Hon. Gentlemen
are perturbed.—(Hear, hear.) Now he (Mr. Sheil)
could not agree in the position that the Protestants of
Ireland were opposed to the National BOard.—(Hear,
hear.) The great mass of the gentlemen of Ireland were
in favour of it, because they knew and appreciated the
benefit they derived from having the people educated.—
(Hear, hear.) They knew that the national school
planted in every parish was a means of refreshing and
fertilising the minds which otherwise would remain ste-
rile and unproductive.—(Hear.) With respect to the
Presbyterians, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ad-
mitted they were favourable to the Board. But why was
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman so indignant at
the mention of the word "salary" by the Honourable
Member for Ripon?—(Hear, hear.) Was it that the
clergy of the Established Church were not to be influ-
enced by temporal inducement, though the Mosaic system
held out such as the reward of ecclesiastical virtue?—
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) But in the same breath
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman told them that
when the Presbyterians joined the Board the Regium
Donum was increased.—(" Hear," and laughter.) The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had quoted the authority
of Swift; but as for religion the fellow had none at all,
though in all other respects he was an excellent Presby-
terian.—(Laughter and cheers.) It was true the majo-
rity of the clergy were opposed to the National Board,
but there was a preponderance of mitres, and they
should not be overlooked. Seven bishops were too im-
portant be disregarded.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The Archbishop of Dublin (Dr. Whately), who, as a
scholar, was worth a host of sacerdotal mediocrities in
point of talent, the profoundest of the mitred theologians—
(Hear, hear)—was not opposed to the National Board.—
(Hear. hear.) Allusion bad been made to Lord Stanley,
and the tone adopted by him in reference to this matter,
when Secretary for Ireland; and he (Mr. Shell) should
say that of his progeny, speaking in a figurative sense,
the Noble Lord had cause to be proud. Lord Stanley
was Secretary for Ireland in 1832, and a member of the
Cabinet. That Noble Lord was anxious that religious
instruction should ba associated with secular education;
that the tree of knowledge should be grafted on the tree
of life.—(Hear.) Lord Stanley addressed a letter in
1832 to the Duke of Leinster. He (Mr. Shied) had
the letter there, and he apprehended a few sentences of
it quoted would set the entire matter at rest. He would,
therefore, read a few for the purpose of disabusing the
public mind of the wrong impressions made on it. Hon.
Gentlemen who might conceive the system of national
education to he incompatible with religion would do well
to study the letter. Here was an extract—" They (the
Commissioners) will require that the schools be kept
open a certain number of hours for four or five days in
each week, at the discretion of the Commissioners, and
that the remaining one or two days be set apart for giv-
ing separate religious instruction as may be approved of
by the clergy of the respective persuasions; and that the
respective clergy be permitted to give religious instruc-
tion after school hours on the other days of the week."
—(Hear, hear.) That was plain language; religious in-
struction to be communicated on one or two distinct days
in each week, and for a certain time after school hours
on each of the other days.—(Hear, hoar.) Now, with
that simple statement he destroyed the whole web of
sophistry which the antagonists of the National Board
system bad se ingeniously woven. Here was autho-
rity to teach the children, not alone the great moral
truths of Christianity, but also the dogmas on which
both churches dissented; and after that would any
Hon. Gentleman assert that the schools under the
National Board were closed against the interference of
the Protestant clergymen?e-(llear, hear.) He (Mr.
Sheil) was not going to impute factious motives to that
body. He thought that amongst the Protestant clergy
of Ireland the majority were men conspicuous for virtue.
But in saying that he could not refrain from saying what
he conceived to be the real cause of the Protestant
clergy having abandoned the national schools. It was
this—a Protestant and Catholic clergy were now upon
an equality.—(Cheers.) The Protestant clergy could
not stomach that equality, becauce they considered it
incompatible with the ascendancy which the law had
given them.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had said again and again, and with
such emphasis of reiteration as to lead to the belief that
he attached great importance to the assertion, that the
Roman Catholics of this country had received over-pa-
tronage and encouragement; but he (Mr. Sheil) would
say, restore to the Roman Catholics the splendid endow-
ments bequeathed by their ancestors to the Church,
and the cases would be parallel.—(Hear, hear.)
But was it because Lazarus in his poverty re-
ceived relief, that Dives in' the profusion of his
wealth should stretch forth a supplicating hand?—(Loud
cheers.) Providence had given to the favoured Esta-
blishment abundant means for extending the benefits of
education, and why did they not avail themselves of
them ?—(Hear, hear.) Why not apply for liberty to ap-
propriate a portion of the Church revenues to the main-
tenance of schools in connexion with the Church?—
(Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) He (Mr. Shell) recol-
lected seventeen or eighteen years ago it was proposed
that part of the property of Durham Cathedral should be
applied for the purpose of establishing a, university in
connexion with the church. He held the charter in his
hands, and here were the words. After reciting that the
dean and chapter of Durham were desirous of establish-
ing, in connexion with the cathedral church, a university
for the advancement of learning, to be under the govern-
ment of the said dean and chapter for the time being, and
also under the jurisdiction of the lord bishop of the dio-
cese as visitor, it recited that the said dean and chapter
were desirious that those revenues should be appropriated
—appropriated—(Laughter)—and set apart for the pur-
poses of the university. He thought the Hon. Gentleman
would see that the cases were in quatuor pedants. Why did
not Hon. Members opposite come to the House for an Act of
Parliament, and say, " Give us so much of the property of
the Church as is necessary for the support of schools in
connexion with the Establishment?"—(Hear, hear.) If
they should do so the House would hear them with great
interest, and certainly with some surprise.—(Laughter.)
He hoped they would forgive him if he ventured to say
that a scriptural image was presented to his mind when
an Irish Churchman, full but unsatiated, cried out,
" Give, give."—(Hear, hear.) Being of opinion that the
subject had been thoroughly exhausted, he should con-
tent himself, in concluAon, with stating the facts that
Lord Stanley founded the National Board—(Hear, hear)
—that the, (tight 110..gemberfor Tamworth, with
Lord Stanley as his colleague, largely added to the funds
of the National Board—(Hear, hear)—that Parliament

had again and again approved of the National Board;
that 'every distinguished statesman in the country—
of course excepting lion. Gentlemen opposite, from
whom unhappily he differed (Laughter) had
concurred in approving of the national system.—
(Hear, hear.) And he might add, that these authori-
ties were crowned with a very high and remark-
able approval. Amongst the most remarkable
incidents that occurred when the Queen was in Ireland
was her visit to the National Board—(Hear)—which
took place (by accident of course) before she visited the
College of the holy and undivided Trinity.—(Laughter.)
It was a fine spectacle to see the Queen, with the con-
sort so worthy of her, attended by the representatives
of the Presbyterian Church, by the Catholic Archbishop
of Dublin, and by the Protestant Archbishop of Dublin
—with those venerable ecclesiastics at her side, differiog
in creed, but united by the common brotherhood of
Christianity—(Cheers)—in the performance of ono of
the noblest duties which their common Christianity pre-
scribed; it was a fine thing to sea the Sovereign of a
great empire surrounded by groups of those little
children who gazed on her with affectionate amazement,
while she returned their looks with a fondness almost
maternal; and, better than all, it was noble and thrilling,
indeed, to see the emotions by which that great lady
was moved when her heart beat with a high and holy
aspiration that she might live to see the benefits of
education carried out in their fall and perfect develop•
ment.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. PLUMPTRE said the Right Hon. Gentleman
had represented the Protestant clergy of Ireland as re-
fusing to take part in the national system of education,
because, having been in the habit of maintaining an as-
cendancy, they did not like to abandon it. He felt it
his duty to declare on their behalf that they were ac-
tuated by far higher and holier motives; and as, on the
one hand, they were placed far beyond any praise
which he (Mr. Plumptre) could give them, so, on the
other hand, no blame which the Right Honourable
Gentleman might be inclined to cast upon them would
affect their character.
Mr. REYNOLDS rose amidst loud cries of "Divide"
and much interruptions He said this question was
partly a Church question, partly a money question, and
partly a party question.—(Laughter, and renewed in-
terruption.) An analysis of the political opinions of
those who were opposed to the system would show that
they were the opponents of every movement made in
that House to promote rational liberty. He deeply re-
gretted that the Hon. Member for the University of
Dublin had permitted himself to'bo made the instrument
of introducting a topic which was likely to increase reli-
gious discord, and thus keep alive that spirit which
bad inflicted so much injury on Ireland. It must be ad-
mitted that those by whom this motion was introduced
might take out a patent for ingenuity in the invention of
grievances. As a Roman Catholic Member he com-
plained of that discussion.—(Cries of "Question.") The
agitation of the question was an annual farce. Once a
year, about Easter, there was a gathering in the Rotunda
at Dublin. What was that Rotunda? A pocket edition
of Westminster Hall. Who attended in its galleries?
Eight or nine intolerant and bigoted bishops, a certain
number of expectant curates, a larger number of excited
laymen, and a considerable gathering of hysterical old
maids—(Laughter) —the Members for the University of
Dublin attending ex officio. This might be exceedingly
unpalateable to " ears polite," but he had the misfortune
to represent a great city—(Laughter)—Hon. Gentlemen
should have allowed him to finish the sentence—a city in
the centre of which was the great citadel of Orange
ascendancy, Trinity College, and in one corner
the Rotunda, in which such unseemly scenes
were enacted. He was there to impeach what,
without meaning to offend any one, he must
call an annual humbug. [Mr. Stanford here rose
as if to speak, but immediately resumed his seat.] He
begged most respectfully to state that in using the word
" humbug," he had net thought of the Hon. Member for
Reading (Mr. Stanford).—(Great laughter.) Even if
he thought the Hon. Member deserved that name, being
aware that he was leading a life of single blessedness he
would not like to injure his character with the ladies of
Reading.—(Roars of laughter.) He hoped that expla-
nation would be satisfactory to the Hon. Gentleman. If
a Russian or a Frenchman, quite unacquainted with the
subject had heard the speeches in favour of the motion,
ha would have fancied that the Protestants of
,Ireland
were the most miserably-used people on the face of the
earth. Now, what were the facts? Including Metho-
dists and Quakers, the Protestants of Ireland amounted
to 850,000 of the population; the revenues of the Church
amounted, some said, to 1,000,000/.•' others said to
700,0001., and the Hon. Member fJr the Univer-
sity of Dublin would admit that they were not less than
600,000/. The Honourable Gentleman nodded dissent,
but he (Mr. Reynolds) believed the estimate to be a
low one; and that amount was quite irrespective of what
was given to the diocesan and endowed schools, and of
the 100,000/. a year placed at the disposal of the Eccle-
siastical Commissioners for the building and repairing of
churches. They complained that the people were not
handed over neck-and-heels to that proselytising assn.
elation. It was said there were 43,000 Roman Catholic
children within the walls of the Kildare-street schools.
Why, these children had every one of them been kid-
napped by the influence of soup and oatmeal.—(Laugh-
ter.) Human food was withheld unless spiritual food
was accepted. (Cheers, and " Ob, oh.") The Hon.
Member for Stockport (Mr. Heald) was as ignorant of
Tipperary Protestantism as he was of the feelings of his
own constituents when he said that nine-tenths of them
were opposed to the ballot.—(Hear, hear.) If he were
ignorant of the state of political feeling in Stockport,
how grossly ignorant must he be of the state of Tippe-
rary erote,tantism I lie would assure the House that
Tipperary was not such a wilderness as the Hon. Mere-
her supposed; it was a large and civilized community.
Ho begged to say, in conclusion, that he conscientiously
believed this annual motion was brought on for the pur-
pose of guarding the outposts of that overgrown levia-
than, the Protestant Church in Ireland. He believed in
his conscience that, until the temporalities of that Church
were entirely abolished, they never would have peace or
order in Ireland; and, speaking as an Irishman, he be-
lieved, not only that they never would have peace, but
that they never ought to have peace in Ireland.—Gear,
hear.) Other men might mince the matter; they were
not so candid as he was; but the great mass of the popu-
lation of Ireland considered the temporalities of that
Church as an intolerable badge of slavery and oppres-
sion; and, until the whole edifice was, by the operation
of law, levelled with the -crust, he never should consider
himself an emancipated Irishman.
The House then divided, when there appeared—

For the resolution ... 142
Against it ... ... ... ... 225
Majority ... ... ... -83
SUPPLY.

The House then went into Committee of Supply.

Mr. COBDEN objected to their proceeding in: Com-
mittee at that hour, as it was impossible that they could
discuss the details of the votes.

The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said
that it was absolutely essential that he should get some
money on account, to defray the expenses which had
been incurred in some of the minor departments.
Colonel SIBTHORP deprecated the notion of Chan-
cellors of the Exchequer always asking for money on
account. They should always know the whole RUMS that
were required.
After a further objection on the part of Mr. COBDEN
to proceeding with Supply at that late hour.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that he would be satisfied to take half the money con-
tained in the items.

The following sums were then
,voted on account up to
the. Ist of March, 1851:--
9,0001. fur the dt.fraying of law expenses incurred in
Government prosecutions.
5,0001. to defray the expenses of prosecuting offenders
against the laws of coinage.
10,0001. for the expenses of sheriffs and the fees of
their officers' salaries.

5,0001. to defray the salaries and expenres of the Com-
missioners of the Insolvent Debtors' Courts.

40,0001. for law expenses in Scotland.
30,000/. for law expenses in Ireland.
20,0001. for the expenses of the metropolitan force in

7,0001. for the charges of inspectors of prisons.

70,0001. for the expense of maintaining the county
gaols and lunatic asylums.
100,0001. for the expenses of maintaining •bonding
establishments.

50,0001.. for the transportation of convicts.

100,000/. for the maintenance of convict establish-
ments in the colonies.
The House then resumed.
POPULATION BILL.

This Bill passed through Cumraittee.
LINEN AND MANUFACTURES (IRELAND)

BILL.

This Bill was committed, and the Chairman reported
progress and obtained leave to sit again.
RAILWAY AUDIT BILL.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that this was a Bill from
the Lords, of which he had charge. There were parts
of this Bill which were manifestly at variance with the
privileges of the House, and therefore he moved that
this Bill be, laid aside, and he should ask for leave to in-
troduce another on the same subject.
LANDLORD AND TENANT BILL.

On the motion for the resumption of the adjourned
debate on the third reading,
Mr. CHRISTOPHER moved the adjournment of the
debate.

The House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 34
Against it ..• ... 86
Majority__ ... ... —52

Mr. CHRISTOPHER then moved the adjournment
of the House.

After a few words from Mr. PUSEY,
Sir J. Y. BULLER suggested that the Bill should be
fixed fora morning sitting.

Mr. PUSEY was willing to fix Thursday next,
at twelve o'clock.—(No, no.)
Lord GALWAY said that as Irish Members did not
wish to have the Bill for Ireland, and many English
Members were equally hostile, he would recommend the
Hon. Member to confine it to Berkshire.—(Laughter.)
After a desultory conversation, the third reading was
fixed for twelve o'clock on Thursday next.
• NEW BRIDGE AT WESTMINSTER.

On the motion of Mr. FREWEN, let;;;;;a7giyen to
bring in a Bill authorising the erection of a temporary
bridge at Westminster.
The House adjourned at Twenty minutes past One.

THE LATE EIRE AND LOSS OF LIFE.—On
Wednesday, at eleven o'clock; Mr. Wakley, jun., and a nume-
rous jury, assembled at the King's Head Tavern, Castle-
street, Long• acre, for the purpose of inquiring into the cir-
cumstances connected with the deaths of Mrs. Charlotte
Harding, aged 54, and Miss Margaret Nolan, aged 14, the
two persons who lost their lives at the fire which occurredin
Phoenix-street, St. Giles's, on Monday last, particulars of
which appeared in this journal of the same day. No new
facts were elicited in evidence, and the jury returned a ver-
dict, 'Mutt the deceased Nolan was burnt in the fire, and the
decealedirardinii killed-by ilie-11211, and the jury have no evi-
dence a 4 to the cause of the fire." -

THE COUNTRY MARKETS.
WAKEFIELD, JUNE 21.—The snpplies are good. V" I"de.
a quiet market, and the business passing in all articles hunt' ,
Wheat is held firmly at last week's prices. Oats, shelling, anti
beans are sold on easier terms.

Old
New.
WHEAT, per qr. 601bs per bushel:— s. s•
1g.... to
Suflolk•Essex, and Kent, red ... 41 to 44
Ditto, white ... 44 48
Norfolk and Hunts., red ... 40 42
Ditto, white ... „. „, 44 46
Lincolnshire and Cambridge, red ... 59 41
Ditto, white ... `„ ,40— 46 ""
Yorkshire, red ,„, ,„ 39 —4l
Ditto, white ... „, 49 46
Dantzic and Konigsburg, white 41 46 ' ---
Lowerßaltic and Hamburgh, red... 37 41
Mediterranean, red ... „,.
BARLEY, per quarter of 8 bushels:—
Norfolk and Suflblk...
Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. ••
Scotch ••• ••• ••• •••
Grinding per 30 stone ... 18 19
Foreign ... ••• ••• ... 22 24
BEANS, per quarter of 8 bushels 631 b :
Small, fine ... ••• ... 26 —'29
Ticks ••• ••• ... 26 28
F0reign............25 27
OATS, per stone : 01
Mealing • ••• ••• 91 to 10d 01 .
Feeding ... 8d to 9id Od to 001
Foreign ... 81 to 91 01 to
SHELLING, per load of 2611 b ... 22 —23
MALT, per load of 6 imperial bushels 34 36
PEAS, per Imperial Quarter:—
Blue and white boilers
Grey and Feed

_ _--

.... .a.

•••••
.•••
....

MOO .....
••••

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or.
ow.

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... 24 - 26
... 23 - 25

VALS.

ARR
Qrs.
Wheat ... 11,136 Rapeseed N.
438
Barley ... 1,242 Shelling ... ••• "!
Oats ... ... 1,169 Linseed .. ..• '• --
Beans... 402 Malt ... • • *"
Peas ... Flour •••

Tares
EXETER, JUNE 21 -Cattle—There

fair suPPli-,1

a . -
beasts, but not so large as that of last week. Fruit .0,
Vegetables—Green peas 8d to Is 6d per peck; gooseberri b,
2d per quart; strawberries, 5d to 6d per quart; Ibubled
Id to lid per lb; new potatoes. lid per lb; old ditto,
per score. We noticed some very fine cucumbers, esPec,ll6s
on the stall of Mr. Bustard. Pannier—Goslings bs "6d -do;
•each; ducks 3s 6d to ss. per couple; chicken 2s 6d to as tor
fowls 3s 6d to 4s 6d do; leverets 2s 6d to 3s 6d each;„,l3,ll
8d to 8/d per Ib; eggs 20 for Is. Corn Exchange--"e o- d
tendance to-day has been small. The market is firt°' les
prices rather higher than this day week. For the best ssOP„r,
of warranted English wheat, 5s 6d per bushel has beek.o
rently given, and it is considered that that price will be r-
ceeded before the market closes. French read wheat' 10T4et
ing at 38s to 39s per quarter; and white Belgian at 'T,sto..
43s (601bs to the bushel). In malting barley nothing„t",,e-
ever is doing; oats, 2s to 2s 3d per bushel; fine flour, ot"
sack.
BRISTOL, JUNE 20.—With only moderate supplies of Alitor
lish wheat we experience a steady consumptive dentin:toil
both it and sweet foreign, at fully last week's prices. "'" net
day's market English new wheat fetched from 38s to 49.140,
imperial quarter ; foreign, white, 42s to 44, per 4801 b, do;
red, extra fine qualities, 40s to 42, ; ditto fine ditto, 38s "'gm to
'
ditto, ditto, ordinary ditto, 35s to 36s 6d; ditto, hardt47, e9S
375. The sale of flour is languid, English seconds 271
per sack ; American, &c., sweet, 23s to 24s per barrel, bi
pOt
ing barley continues steady ; in grinding barley thert,'Ai
much doing, but it attracts rather more attention.
malting to-day fetched from 23s to 26s per imperial it 11.0,"
ditto and foreign grinding, 183 to I9s per 4001 b. vat"/
apd
beans are dull, but values are unaltered. Oats, DWI/Irish
Welch, fetched from 155 to 16s per imperial quarter ;:oe
white, 16s 6d to 1 Is per 3201 b; ditto black, 15s 6d to IT Ji4,l
imperial quarter. Beans, English, 245 to 27s 6d per ilortile
quarter ; foreign, 22s to 25s per 4801 b. The arrivals f°ll4,
week are—Wheat, 2,109 quarters; oats, 655 quarters; Oros
1,610 quarters ; beans, 380 quarters ; flour, 500 sacks.
average for the week are—Wheat, 40s ; oats, 16s 7d ; 121"
23s 11 d ; beans, 28s.
.44 of
BRISTOL SUGAR MARRVT, JUNE 21.—The
of w

the past week has been very limited, in consequence -,_ol
small show at market; prices are steady with a slight tenav,;,.
to improve. Refined goods are in fair demand at full lei„v"
Rums sell more freely at steady rates.—Bristol Afercuri 6dl
SHEFFIELD, JUNE 18.—Wheat,white, 16s 6d to 1;90,64
ditto, red, 14s 6d to 16s 6d ; beans, 10s 6d to 12s ; peas, osts
to 12s per load. Barley, 22s to 245; malt, 48s to 525; ~ter•
(old), 16s to 18s; ditto (new), Os to Os Od per qu.-
Millers' prices of flour, is sd, and is 7d per stone of 14110•4,93
RIPON, JUNE 20.—White wheat 5s 6d to 6s Od, redidittq."oo;
to 5s 6d ; beans, 4s Od to 4s 6d per bushel ; barley 520°11
oats Od to 21s per qr.
e 3d "•:•„. 0(1;
KNARESBOROUGH, JUNE 19.—Wheat as-.- to
beans 3s 6d to 3s 9d per bushel ; barley 25s to 265; oats; ,!
21s per qr.
,rbite
SCARBOROUGH, JUNE 20.—Red wheat 4s 9d to 516d' hge
ditto 53 Od to 5s 9d per 5 stones r black oats 6d to 7d, !dog
ditto 7d to 8d per stone ; malting barley 19s to 21s,
_gringos,
ditto 17s to 19s per qr. of 32 stones; superfine flour Ps t°
seconds ditto, 27s to COs per sack of 20 stones. , red
WETHERBY, JUNE 20.—White wheat 16s Od to 1756 u.„,., ;
ditto 14s 6d to lbs 6d per load ; barley 23s to 261 • Ff.'
beans lOs Od to 12s Od per load ; oats 7d to Bid per stone
BANGOR, JUNE 21.—We have had only a small, aiteal of
at our market to-day. The trade was quiet in every
grain. There was no alteration in the prices of ,t`!'
week.
DENBIGH, JUNE 19.—The market` to-day wbre,
01 /
slack appearance. The business done was very maw' Wit
prices of corn and pulse very similar to our quotations
week.
RuTHIN, JUNE 17.—The averages were • about, for rifrbol
14s to 14s 6d ; barley, very little inquired after, 7s ; ea" foga
6s, and in some instances where superior samples she win ditto
3d to 6d per hobbet more ; fresh butter, Bid to 9d ; fa't
6d to lid per pound. 014
MoLn, JUNE 19.—Wheat, 14s 6d t barb 7s u"'

-45 _ley,
potatoes, lid; for new ditto lid per pound.
RHYL, JUNE 18.—Wheat 13s to 14 per hohbet ; bar„„leivelt
to 8s ; oats 5s 9d to 6s 6d per ditto ; clover seed, 5d to vu,o4;
pound ; potatoes, 125 per hobbet ; fresh butter 9d to
salmon lld per pound.
ilali
GLASGOW, JUNE 19.—We have had but moderate al Ott
from any quarter, yet adequate to the immediate wants °O5l
trade. At Grangemouth about 2,289 quarters of wheat,,;uso
quarters of barley, 375 quarters of oats, 215 quarters of %of
and 40 quarters of peas, reached from the continent. 9 $
the week there was a fair consumptive demand for whea'o'ther
a good inquiry for flour, at fully last Wednesday's rates; Tbtl
articles though quiet underwent no quotable change. does
day's market was tolerably well attended, but the busineo_,,ol
was not extensive. Wheat and flour were in moderate r,..7 sper.
at last Wednesday's currency. Barley was the turn ePal
Oats have to be written 3d to 6d lower per boll, and ite id
6(1 to Is per load. Beans, peas, and Indian corn inched
favour of the buyer.
Per
INVERNESS, JUNE 18.— alb
Wheat, per qr, weighing -
bushel, 37s cd to 40s Od ; barley, per quarter, we!"
541 b per bushel, 19s to 20s Od ; oats, per quarter, sleferi
421 b per bushel, 17s Od to 20s Od. Oatmeal, per larler,
boll, 15s Od to Os Od ; ditto second, 1410 d to Os Od;
meal, 12s 8d to Os Od ; peasemeal, I4s Od to Os Od ; br:6i oa,!
stone, Os 6d to Os Od ; first flour, per 2801 b., 34s Od 'of 141 v
second ditto, 26a Od to 28s Od ; oatmeal, best, per stonaboler
imperial, is 6d to Os Od; ditto second, Is 4d to Os Od; by
meal, Is 2d to Os Oi ; peasemeal, Is 4d to Os Od ; 6"34 cre:j
2s 4d cash, 2s 8d credit ; second ditto, 2s Od cash, 25 od'
dit. Potatoes, per stone, 4%d to 5d ; beef, per. P°„,,uto4"
to 6d; veal, 4d to sd; mutton, 4d to 6d; pork, 0". docks'fowls, each, 10d to I2d; chickens, per pair, 12d to 16d; fret'
each, Od to Od ; eggs, per dozen, 4d to 6d ; butter, gd to
per lb, 9cl to Od; ditto, salt, 9d to 10d ' • croudie (curds)' 6#d'
60;
; four-pound loaf, cash, 5d to 6d ; ditto, credit, 51uA
coals, per cwt, 9d ; hay, per stone, 7d to Bd.

MINING INTELLIGENCE. Total'
COPPER ORES SOLD AT REDRUTH, JUNE 20•popper'
2,993 tons ; average produce, 9}; quantity of fine range
275 tons 8 cwt ; amount of sale, 18,0411 6s 6d; spro'
standard, 9518 s Od. X.ast Sale - Standard, 99l lis ;
tor
duce, 8. Average price per 21 cwt, 61 Os 6d. Vitfria
COPPER ORES FOR SALE AT LENDKRYOU'S, ~sve
JUNE 27.—United Mines 835—Par Consols 363—",rf;eleill,"
306 —Wheal Comfort 233—South Caradon 226 Vpbet
Consols 73—West Trethellan 36—Gonamena 30"
Banns 20—Total, 2,122 tons 21 cwts.4
~0
COPPER ORES FOR SALE AT CAMBORNE, ticr ipro 11
North Roskear 701—North Pool 612—Consols 553---%, t 97_
551—Wh. Seton 419—Fowey Consols 310—Wh• 1186-3,dfr
—South Wh. Frances 233—Todd's Regulus 5--Tots"

COAL MABEE'
Bate's West Hartley 13s Od
Begbies Hartley
Creswell Main 12s 3d
Davison's West Hartley 13s 6d
East Adairs Main .lls Od
Holywell
North Percy Hartley l3s Od
Tanfield Moor
fanfield Moor Butes l2s Od
Townley l3s Od
Walker's Primrose
West Wylam
Windsor's Pontop
Wall's End, &o.
Acorn Close
Bewicke and Co.
Brown's Gas
Gosforth
Ships at

,T.—YESTXRDAT• 130
Harton ...............•• 135 Od
Riddell ..... ......... Isl col
Walker ............... 155
0.
Braddyll ...............
Hetton .................. 151', 0(1
Keepier Grange ...... 15'
Russell's Hetton ••••'' 14a,A
Scarborough ........••• I'„'"A
Bentley... ............ 140 toPs
Caradoc ...
..... *l4s 9cl
lleugh Hall ........... 149
;South Hartlepool ..... 45 AA
,South Kelloe ......... 125
... 04
Whitworth ........... 155 aj
Adelaide Tees ... ..... igi
[Hartley— ......l 0d
INixon's Merthyr s" v
20#
Cardiff ......... ..."
market, 83.

optea
again Pre, letil
by Holloway's Ointment and Pills.—Extract frooled Alarl
from Mr. S. Smith, 69, Chapel-street, Dublin. dati thloi‘ 11
13, 1849 :—" To Professor Holloway. Dear Sir,--;onderf:,
inly my duty to inform you and the public of th° For 03.11
Ore your ointment and pills have effected on me' fa°. g
sears I had a dreadful wound in my leg. I tried all thetpotbie
m this city, but to no purpose; they informed we thaised
could save my life but amputation. I was then brief peg% 0
celebrated doctor to use your remedies, which, in,.s:,„r
have healed my leg, and made it as strong as it loeort rl°-
-Sold by all Vendors of Medicine and at Professor
way's Establishment, 244, Strand, London.

BIRTHS.
OF A SOW.
On the lith . the
inst., at Glen Stewart, Anon f.
Drumlanrig. g the Wife °
On the 20th • inst., at Earlham-leclge, Norfol ,
Henry Morgan, Esq. k bill/ tile
On the 20th.inst., at Adelaide-road, ilaverstoc - ,
wife of John G. Booty, Esq.
OF A DAUGHTER. We°4'
On Friday. the 21st inst., at Oxford-villa, St. John's- '
the wife of William Hasell E 'un the
sq., J • oath,
On the 18th inst., at Clere-cottage, Sim-roll',
wife of G F H
. . Hodson, Esq.
MARRIED. belle, il iir‘irici
Viscounteo
On the 19th inst., at Wickham Church, J.
wright, Esq., Commander R.N., to Frances Isa G. P.'
daughter of the late 'Rear-Admiral Sir F. A. Collier,
K. C H. ~,, v Lel
On the 18th inst., at Swansea, the Hon. and ive• 'on i
William Denman, rector of Washington, Durhafm,btet 0'
Lord and Lady Denman, to Frances Marianne, daub
the late T. Eden, Esq., of the Bryn, near Swansea•

DIED
On the Bth inst., at E.liema, in the island °Crro7°.
Frances Edith, daughter of Captain and the klon. 0" „
ill'
Lambert Baynes. limn, JO
On the 16th inst., at Bloomsbury, Birming- tin
GAP
widow of the late John Griffis, Esq.. tortneily a
George
the 14th Dragoons, aged 74.
On the 17th inst ,at Appleby, Westmoreland' ~:
Thwaites, Esq., M.D ,aged 54. bew'
to, fli44
the wife of Mr. John B. Thomson. . of tbe
On the 17th inst., at Spencer-square, Eamsga 'lot,
On the 11th inst., at Creditors, Maria, relict col
John Smith, Esq. -"II 01
~ —101J:11
London : Printed and Published by MURAQ Sp.
l?io. 112, t3t,:and, Printer, at The Sun Ulle,.
Strad, is the Precinct of the Savoy, in tos '''
litildteecv, Saturday, June 22, 1850.