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London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

MAY 14, 1850.

EVENING,

PARLIAI TARY DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)

MONDAY, MAY 13.

AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL.

Order for Third Reading read ; Motion made, and Ques-
tion proposed, "That the Bill be now read a third time:"—
Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" to
the end of the Question, in order to add the words " this
House, adverting to the numerous provisions of the Austra-
lian Colonies Government Bill, which require the interfer-
ence of the authorities at home in the future regulation of
the affairs of those Colonies, and desirous to reduce as far as
possible the occasions for such interference, and to place the
political institutions of the said Colonies upon the basis most
likely to be permanent, will not give its further sanction to
that Bill until there shall have been afforded to the governors,
legislatures, and people of the said Colonies an opportunity
of considering the provisions of the measure as they stand,
in conjunction with the several propositions varying from
them which have been submitted to the notice of the House,"
instead thereof : —Question put, " That the words proposed
to be left out stand part of the Question." The House
divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 226.
Abdy, Sir Thomas Fordyce, A. D. Pechell, Sir G.
Acland, Sir T. Forster, Matthew Peel, Sir Robert
Adair, R. A. Freestun, Colonel Pelham, D. A.
Aglionby, H. A. French, F. Perfect, Robert
Alcock, Thomas Glyn, G. C. Peto, Samuel
Anson, Colonel Grace, 0. D. Pigott, Francis
Anstey, Thomas C. Graham, Sir Jame• Pilkington, James
Armstrong, Sir A. Granger, T. C. Pinney, William
Armstrong, R. B. Greene, John I'lowden, W. 11.
Bagshaw, John Greene, Thomas I'lumptre, J. P.
Baines, M. T. Grey, Sir George Power, Dr.
Baring, Sir F. Grey, It. W. Powlett, Lord W.
Barnard, E. G. Grosvenor, Lord It. Price, Sir Robert
Bass,M. T. Grosvenor, Earl Raphael, Alexander
Berkeley, Admiral Harris, Richard Rawdon, Colonel
Berkeley, Henry F. Haste, Alexander Reid, Colonel
Berkeley, C. L. G. Ilatchell, John Reynolds, John
Bernal, Ralph Hawes, Benjamin Ricardo, J. L.
Birch, Sir T. Ilayter, W. G. Ricardo, Osman
Blackall, S. W. Headlarn, Thomas Rice, E. R.
Bouverie, E. P. Heald, James Rich, Henry
Boyle, Colonel Heathcoat, John Robartes, T. J.
Bramston, T' W. licnea,ge, Edward Roche, E. B.
Brand, Thomas Heneags, G. 11. W. Roinilly, Colonel
Brocklehurst, John Ilenry, Alexander ltomilly, Sir John
Brockman, E. D. Heyworth, Lawrence Rumbold, C. E.
Brotherton, Joseph Hobliouse, Sir John Russell, Lord John
Brown, W. Hobhouse, T. B. Russell, F. C. 11.
Browne, R. D. Hodges, T. L. Rutherford, A.
Burke, Sir T. J. Hodges, T. Twisden Salwey, Colonel
Busfeild, W. Howard, Lord E. Scrope, G. P.
Buxton, Sir E. Howard, C. W. Scully, Francis
Cardwell, E. Howard, P. 11. Seymour,.Lord
Carter, J. B. Ilume, J. Shatto, It. D.
Cayley, E. S. Ilumphery, Ald. Sheil, it. L.
Chaplin, W. J. Hutchins, E. J. Sheridan, R. B.
Childers, J. W. Hutt, William Smith, J. A.
Clay, James Jervis, Sir John Smith, J. B.
Clay, Sir W. Keogh, William Somers, J. P.
Clerk Sir G. Kershaw, James Somerville, Sir W.
Clifford, 11. M. King, P. J. Spearman, H. J,
Cobden, R. L?bouchere, Henry Stanford, J. F.
Cockburn, Alex. Lascelles, W. S. Stanstleld,lW. R.
Collins, W. Lemon, Sir Charles Stanton, W. H.
Colvile, C. R. Loch, James Stuart, Lord Dudley
Cowan, Charles Locke, Joseph Talbot, C. It.
Cowper, W. F. M'Cullagh, W. T' Talbot, J. 11.
Craig, Sir W. G. M‘Gregor, John Tancred, 11. W.
Crawford, W. S. Mahon, O'Gorman Tenison, E. K.
Crowder, It. B. Mangles, R. D. Thicknesse, R. A.
Cubitt, William Martin, C. W. Thompson, Colonel
Dalrymple, Captain Martin, Samuel Thornely, T.
Dashwood, G. H. Matheson, James Townshend. Captain
Davie, Sir Henry Matheson, Colonel Tanen, H.
Devereux,'J. T. Maele, Fox Tynte, Colonel
Divett, Edward Mitchell, T. A. Vane, Lord H.
Drummond, Henry Moffatt, George Verney, Sir H.
Duff, George S. Monsell, William Villiers, Charles
Duke, Sir James Mow. e, G. H. Vivian, J. 11.
Duncan, Viscount Morgan, 11. K. Walmsley, Sir J.
Duncan, George Morison, Sir,W. Walter, John
Duncuft, John Morris, David Watkins, Colonel
Dundas, Admiral Mostyn, E. M. Wawn, J. T.
Dundas, Sir David Mowatt, Francis Willcox, Brodie
Dunne, Colonel Mulgrave, Earl Williams, John
Ebrington, Viscount .Muntz, G. F. Willyams, If.
Ellis, John Mare, Colonel Williamson, Sir H.
Elliot, John E. I%.Torreys, Lord Wilson, James
Evans, Sir De Lacy O'Brien, Sir Timothy Wood, Sir Charles
Evans, J. O'Connell, Maurice Wood, W. P.
Evans, William O'Flaherty, Anthony Wrightson, W. B.
Ewart, William Ogle, S. C. Wyvill, M.
Fagan, William Ord, William
Ferguson, Colonel OsborneAltalph
Ferguson, Sir R. Paget, Lord C.
Fitzpatrick, J. W. Parker, John
Foley, John H. Patten, J. W.

TELLERS.
Hill, Lord 31.
Bellew, R. M.

MINORITY—NOES, 123.
Adair, Hugh E. Farnham, E. Napier, Joseph
Adderley, C. B. Farrer, James Neck!, Joseph
A rkwright, G. gellowes, E. O'Brien, Sir Lucius
Bailey, Joseph Filiner, Sir E. O'Connor, Feargus
Baillie, H. J. Floyer, John Oswald, Alexander
Baiikes, George Forbes, William Palmer, Robert
Baring, Francis Fox, S. L. Portal, Melville
Bateson, Thomas Galway, Viscount Prime, Richard
Bentinck, Lord 11. Gooch, E. S. Rendlesham, Lord
Beresford, William Goulburn, Henry Repton, G. W.
Berkeley, Grantley Granby, Marquis of Sandars, George
Bernard, Viscount Grogan, Edward Scholetield, W.
Best, John Gwyn, Bowel Scott, Francis
Blackstone, W. Hale, R. B. Simeon, John
Blair, Stephen Halsey, T. P. Smith, R. V.
Blandford, Marquis Harris, Captain Smyth, John G.
Booth, Sir R. G. Herbert, H. A. Smollett, A.
Boyd, John Herbert, Sydney Somerset, Captain
Brisco, M. Hildyard, R. C. Stafford, Augustus
llroadley, 11. Hildyard, T. B. Stanley, Edward
Bromley, Robert Hodgson, W. N. Stephenson, Robert
Brooke, Sir A. B. Hood, Sir A. Stuart, Henry
Campbell, W. F. Hope, H. T. Stuart, J.
Carew, W. P. Hope, Alexander Sullivan, Michael
Castlereagh, Vie. Hornby, John Sutton, Henry
Cliatterton, Colonel JollilTe, Sir W. G. Taylor, Thomas E.
Christopher, R. A. Jones, Captain Thesiger, Sir F.
Christy, Samuel Law, C. E.: Thompson, Alderman
Clive, Henry B. Lennox, Lord A. Thornhill, G.
Cobbold, J. C. Lewisham, Vise. Tolleinache, John
Cocks, T. S. Lindsay, Colonel Turner, 0. J.
Codrington, Sir W. Lockhart,:A. E. Vesey, Hon. T.
Cole, H. A. Leng, Walter Vivian, J. E.
Corry, 11. Mackenzie, W. F. Vyse, H.
Deedes, W. Manners, Lord C. Waddington, H. S.
Denison, J. E. Manners, Lord G. Walpole, S. H
Disraeli, B. Manners, Lord J. Welby, G. E.
Hod, J. W. Meux, Sir Henry Wortley, J. S.
Drummond, Home Miles, William Yorke, E. T.
1 Duckworth, Sir J. Molesworth, Sir W. loung, Sir John
Dundas, George Morgan, 0.
East, Sir J. Mailings, J. R. TELLERS.
Estcourt, J. B. B. Mundy, William Gladstone, W. E.
Evelyn, W. T. Naas, Lord Roebuck, J. A.

Amendment proposed, page Zr, line 35, after the word
" respectively," to insert the words " and for selling, demising,
granting licences for occupation of, er otherwise disposing of
waste lands of the Crown within the limits of the Colony,
and for the appropriation of the money to arise from such
disposition of such waste lands, anything in an Act of the '
sixth year of her Majesty, intituled, ' An Act for regulating
the sale of waste lands belonging to the Crown in the
Australian Colonies,' or in au Act of the tenth year of the
reign of her Majesty, to amend such Act, and to make further
provision for the management of such laud, to the contrary
notwithstanding : Provided always., that one equal half part
of such gross proceeds shall be, and the same is hereby ap-
propriated towards the expense of removal from the United
Kingdom to the Colony wherein such revenue accrued of
Emigrants from the United Kingdom." Question put, "That
those words be there inserted." The louse divided :
MINORITY—AYES, 82.
Adair, Hugh E. Estcourt, J. B. B. Mundy, William
Adderley, C. B. Farrer, James Naas, Lord
Alexander, X. Filmer, Sir E. Napier, Joseph
Ansley, P. C. Forbes, Wm. O'Connell, M. J.
Arkwright, George Forester, G. C. Parke, C. W.
Ilagot, William Fox, S. L. Palmer, Roundell
Baldock,7E. 11. Galway, Viscount Portal, Melville
Bankes, G. Goddard, A. L. Prime, Richard
Beresford, William Gore, W. It. 0. Rendleshatn, Lord
Bernard, Viscount Grogan, E. Repton, G. W. J.
Blackstone, W. S. Halsey, T. P. Scholetield, William
Blair, Stephen Hamilton, J. If. Sibthorp, Colonel
Booth, Sir It. G. Ileneage, G. H. Simeon, John
Brisco, M. Hood, Slr A. Smollett, A.
Buller, Sir Y. Hornby, John Somerset, Captain
Cabbcll, B. B. Hudson, George Stanley, E. H.
Carew, W. P. Johnstone, Sir J. Stuart, 11.
Chatterton, Colonel Jolliffe, Sir2W. G. Sturt, 11. G.
Chichester, Lord J. Knight, F. W. Sutton, H. M
Clive, 11. B. Knox, Colonel Thompson, Ald.
Cobbold, J. C. Lennox, Lori A. Vesey, T.
Cocks, T. S. Lewi,iam, Vis. Vyse, It. 11.
Cole, Hon. 11. A. Lockhart, A. E. Willoughby, Sir H.
Deedes, W. Mackenzie, W. F. Walpole, S. H.
Disraeli, B. Manners, LCrd J.
Dod, J. W. Meux, Sir H. TELLEEs.
Drummond, Henry Miles, Philip W.. 5. Scott, Francis
Duckworth, Sir J. Miles, William Denison, J. E.
Duudas, George Mullings, J. it.

THE PROJECTED L11P1?0 VEATIENT OF
ST. PAUL'S CHURCHYARD.

Yesterday a deputation waited by appointment upon
the Dean and Chapter of St. Paul's Cathedral with
reference to the projected improvements proposed by
Mr. Barber. of the firm of Barber, Howse, and Meade,
St. Paul's Churchyard. The deputation consisted of
Alderman Wilson (the Alderman of the ward), Sir
James Duke, William Hunter, Mr. Deputy Pel.;cock
(Chairman of the Commission of City Sewers), Mr.
Deputy Harri,on, and Messrs. Blake and Barber.
There were present also the Dean of the Cathedral,
the Rev. J. E. Tyler, the Hon. and Rev. H. M.
Villiers, M.A., Archdeacon Hale, and the Rev. T.
Dale, Mr. Cockerel' (the architect to the Cathedral
authorities), Mr. C. Hodgson (the clerk of the
Chapter), Mr. Haywood (the surveyor of the Com-
mission of City Sewers), and Mr. Daw (their clerk).
This deputation waited upon the ecclesiastical autho-
rities at half-past 11, and the interview lasted until a
quarter before 1.
The Dean took the chair.

Aldermanmos endeavoured to point out the
necessity of setting back the rails, should it be de-
termined eventually to preserve them as a venerable
testimonial of antiquity, and reminded the Chapter
that 80 years ago Parliament had foreseen the pro.
bability of such an alteration at a future period.
Mr. BLAKE and Mr. Deputy HARRISON contended
for the total removal of the rails as likely to cause a
great public improvement both as regarded the Gl-
thedral itself and the traffic convenience.
Mr. COCKERELL denied that the removal of the
railing would at all improve the appearance of the
structure, and strongly contended fur leaving things
as they are.
Mr. BARBER said the opinions entertained by se-
veral surveyors and architects of first-rate eminence
were opposed to that of the gentleman who had just
opposed the project. He had received letters from
such advocates thanking him for the efforts he had
been making to accomplish the object of removing
what almost everybody now considered to be a nui-
sance and an eyesore.
Mr. HAYWOOD showed that the carriage-way was
not at present as wide in all its parts as either the
entrance from ChPapside or from Ludgate-hill.
Sir J. DUKE said, the City had further improve-
ments in contemplation, and had ab'tained from
building on the vacant ground at the end of Cheap-
side because of the contemplated formation of that
F street in a direct line with Newgate-street. He
hoped the heads of the Church would reconsider the
subject, and feel disposed to meet the wants of their
fellow-citizens, and to further the interests of this
great city when they could accomplish such an object
with great promptitude and without any inconvenience
to themselves. He thought the Court of Aldermen
would agree to remove the cab-stand if that were
considered desirable.
The DEAN could not see that there would be any
use in widening the churchyard unless the end of
Ludgate-hill, where, he contended, all the stoppages
occurred, were widened. The authorities, he said,
intended to open the church-yard for the use of foot-
passengers, and the Chapter, now they had heard
the deputation, would re-consider the subject and
send an answer.

METROPOLITAiV INTEMIENTS BILL.
Last evening a crowded meeting, convened by the
Metropolitan Sanitary Association, was held at the
Crown and Anchor Tavern, StratO, in favour of this
Bill.

Lord R. Grosvenor, M.P., filled the chair, and on
the platform were Lord Ebrington, M.P., Air. Mac-
kinnon, M.P., Mr. G. Thompson, M.P. Mr. Wyld.
M.P., the Rev. Dr. Worthington, Dr. George Alfred
Walker, and many others who have distinguished
themselves in the cause of sanitary reform.
The CHAIRMAN, in opening the proceedings, ob-
served, that the subject they had assembled to discuss
was one of extreme importance to every single mem-
ber of the country—the decent interment of the dead,
or, as the Patriarch Abraham had more appropriately
described it, " the burial of the dead out of our
sight ;" because when the spiritual part of us had
winged its way from the last remains of mortality,
however much they might have been cherished during
life, nature spoke to us in a warning voice, not to be
misunderstood, that if we had any regard for the sur-
vivors we must consent to bury the dead out of
our sight. Until recently it was supposed that
our system of sepulture was carried on in a
decent manner; but public feeling had been sud-
denly disturbed by the revelations contained in
Mr. Walker's pamphlet, which revealed to their
astonished eyes that scenes were enacted in this coun-
try which not only were not creditable to us, but
which would have disgraced Hottentots and Esqui-
maux. The parties impugned had loudly denied the
fact. Inquiries were made; a case of most crying
evil was established ; and it was discovered, that of
all the nations of the earth between Calcutta and Ca-
lifornia, England was the only one, with all her
boasted civilization, that had failed to make provision
for the decent interment of the dead ; and not only,
that, but we had suffered interests to grow up in per-
petuation of that horrible system which it almost de-
fied human ingenuity to remove. We had at last a
practical remedy in the shape of a Bill now before
Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) The principle on which
that Bill was founded would meet, he thought, with
universal concurrence.—(Cheers and " No, no.") The
principle to which he alluded was this—that that
which was of universal concern should not be left to
chance arrangements or isolated exertions ; but that
in the case of the interment of the dead it should be
carried into effect by those who had no particular in-
terest to serve, who should be entirely responsible to
public opinion, and who should carry their duty into
effect in such a manner, that every man, woman,
and child, who chose to inquire, should be able to
ascertain exactly in what manner the remains of their
friends and relatives were to be disposed of.—(Cheers
and uproar, and cries of "So they can now.") The
reason why that measure most strongly commended
itself to his sympathies was that it was for the benefit
of the working classes.—(Oh, and cheers.) He
firmly believed that there was implanted iu the work•
ing classes of this country the strongest sentiment for
the dead. He knew instances in which they had
almost starved themselves to secure the decent inter-
ment of their friends ; but that honourable, honest,
dignified feeling had been most grossly outraged by
the scenes they bad been compelled to witness. They
might think it a sentimental or fanciful,idea of his ; but
he did indulge a hope it these national cemeteries
should be established, as was contemplated by this
Bill, at no very extreme distance from the metropolis,
that on the Sunday the working classes of this great
metropolis would go forth on the railways for the
sake of searching out the spot and planting a flosser
on the tomb of some dear lost one.—(Cheers.) He
was not going to discuss the Bill in extreme detail;
their object was, while the danger was imminent, by
an overwhelming majority that evening to show to the
Government that they participated in that honour-
able feeling, and were anxious to apply the earliest
possible remedy to a state of things which every man
must sincerely deplore.—(Cheers.)
Mr. :MACKINNON came forward to move the first
resolution, but was subjected to annoyances and in-
terruptions of such a nature as rendered his remarks
almost inaudible. He observed that underitakers
(from whom the opposition appeared to emanate)!could
not suffer by this Bill. It could not be supposefl that
the Government could consent to tura underbla,
and those who were already in the business would no
doubt continue to be employed. If there were nothingn
else, he should support this measureivoentaoccthotert poor
the present high charges, so oppress
that they were often compelled to keep t
or a mouth d p
h. (A'storme ead
in
their houses for three weeks .
the speaker which lasted for
of interruptiotnhehaertteemmpe
some time, the Chairman and other
attempts of
gentlemen to obtain order being wholly ineffectual.)
The Hon. Member at length was able to add that it
was for the welfare of the community, the health of
the great metropolis, and the happiness of the coun-
try, absolutely requisite that the system of extra-
mural interment should be adopted. The resolution
he had to submit was this :
s, That in the opinion of this meeting the present sys-
tem of burial in the metropolis is prejudicial to health,
incompatible with decency and solemnity, demoralising
in its tendency, and unnecessarily expensive.
After a few words from Mr. G. Tuomrsox, who
successfully appealed to the meeting to hear the
speaker who was to follow,
Lord EBRINGTON, M.P., presented himself in sup-
port of the resolution. It had been calculated that
in and around the metropolis about 52,000 persons
died annually. What became of their bodies—where
were the spaces provided to bury the dead out of
sight ?—(A Voice—" Plenty of cemeteries.") Yes,
but how was the poor man to convey his relations
thither ?—(Cheers.) From a Parliamentary return
of 1843 he found that there were of parochial
churchyards about 170 acres ; of Protestant Dis-
senters, 20 acres ; of private or commercial burial
grounds, 13 acres ; and about half an acre belonging
to the Roman Catholics. Now, about 110 coresrees
might be annually put away in an acre, and before
the the ground was re-opened those corpses bad
tbuursal
to their parent dust. The average in t_
grounds had been about 191, or nearly
weredhoneussbenilea;nybuats
3,000 to an acre, and there were ten others
in one, St. James', Clerkenwell, there
up-
wards of 1,000 to the acre. The effect was
thewit
n soilh
tshenatseist taunrdnemdobsltack, ditchy, a
prejudicial
to health. Was not this
a disgrace to the country and revolting to the feel-
ings'T
of a civilized man ? his was a task which the
ndgreals.y, offensive to the
Government had not undertaken as a chivalrous cru-
sade against publihceo
uninvited
o
rg. ta
tn
bargaining iyn suc
any-
body ; but in compliance
Principle with al most unanimous
public feeling. T
h
matters as the burial of the dead
was most revolting,
e aily at a time when such bargaining had of
specinecessity to be made; and he denied that, under
parochial control, such arrangements as the Govern-

ment proposed could satisfactorily be carried out. Let
the details of the Bill be discussed as much as they
pleased, but let them assert the principle of the Bill.
Mr. NODES, who announced himself as an under-
taker, after considerable uproar was permitted to ad-
dress the meeting from the platform. He objected
to the term " unnecessarily expensive" in the resolu-
tion, and denied that funerals as conducted by under-
takers were more expensive than was absolutely ne-
cessary. Let the cemetery companies consent to re-
ceive the bodies at any hour, and not confine the un-
dertakers to one particular time, and the charges
would be considerably reduced. There was, be con-
tended, nothing in the Bill to guarantee that charges
hereafter should not be as high as at present. He
looked upon the proceedings as a "dead set against
his profession," intended to fatten those who were
already fat enough.
Mr. Box, another undertaker, moved an amend-
ment to expunge the objectionable words, insisting
that the competition amongst the trade was too great
to admit of exorbitant charges.
The question was then put, and the resolution was
carried by an immense majority, not above thirty
hands appearing to be held up for the amendment.
Mr. G. CRUICKSHANK was then announced to move
the next resolution, and essayed to speak, but a dis-
turbance that had commenced amongst the crowd,
which was swaying backward and forward at the rear
of the meeting, prevented his proceeding. Suddenly
a rush was made—the temporary barriers which sepa-
rated those who had tickets from the great mass were
broken down, the reporters' table was upset, and
their notes dispersed. All was immediately in the
utmost confusion ; and though Lord R. Grosvenor
manfully maintained his post, it was evident the pro-
ceedings could not go on. His Lordship at length in-
timated as much, and the meeting abruptly terminated.
The disgrace attending a disturbance of this nature
was greatly enhanced by the circumstance of a large
number of ladies being present immediately in front
of the platform, many of whom fainted, or suffered
in some way or other from the rudeness of the mob.