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subsequently to revise those salaries, so as to make a
diminution in them corresponding to this increase, they
would be indirect!y defeating the vote of this house. In
the bill of last session there were words which imposed
upon the Treasury the du'.y of revising the salaries, hav-
ing rsgard to the amount, of the deductions which were
remitted. Had there hen similar words in this bi.l the
Treasury would have known upon what principle they
were to proceed, but their express omission seems to me,
owing to the rule omissant jacit cessare taciturn, to indi-
cate the intention of the house that that principle should
not be acted upon. I therefore wish to state distinctly
that if the bill passes in its present form the house mu t
consider that it has of its own free gift, without any
addition to the duties of the civil servants, and without
reference to individual merit, made them a present of
the additions to their salaries which I have mentioned.

Her Majesty's Government will act UPOn-tl-11T;nler-
standing of the measure, and will take no steps to revise
the salaries of the civil servants. It must therefore be
understood that the house had done this against the con-
e-mt and advice of the executive Government, and has
also placed the Treasury in a position in which it may
not be easy to resist the claims of that portion of the
civil servants who do not novi receive superannuation
allowances, which wi:l entail a prospective addition in
the same direction. I hope that these consequences are
distinctly in the contemplation of the house, and with
that explanation I any quite ready, after the vote of yes-
terday, to assent to the bill of the noble lord.

Sir J. TRELA.WNY moved the adjJurnment of the
debate.

Mr. WHITESIDE said that after the speech of the
Chancellor of the Ex.?,hequer everything seemed to be
settled.

The house divided, when the numbers were—

Ayes
Noes

77
•
Maiirity —59
The motion for the adjournment of the debate was
therefore I,,st, and the house went into committee.

On the questioin that the preamble be postponed,
Mr. GLADSTONE said he would not attempt to de-
feat the mil by successive motions for adjournment, but
ho protested against their being compelled to pass it
through committee without discussion. He thought
that the Government were now as much responsible for
the bill as if it had originated with them.
Lord PALMERSTON denied that the Government
were responsible for the bill. Tney had stated what
they thought good objections to it, but the house, by
a large majority, had overruled them. Having stated
in the early part of the evening that it was not
their intention to oppose the bill, they could not in
fairness now resort to any proceeding which would have
the effect of defeating it by delay.
Mr. AYRTON thought it was strange that the Go-
vernment could not muster more than 70 members
against the second reading of file bill. The only expla
nation of the smallness of the minority was that thi
opinion of the house had not been fairly taken. Hence
the necessity for further discussion.
Sir J. TRELAWNY had no intention to offer any
factious opposition to the bill, but hoped that time
would be given for further consideration.
Lord NAAS said the bill had already been fully dis-
cussed, and, considering that it was very simple in its
character, he trusted that no further delay would take
place.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the simplicity of the bill was one of his strongest
objections to it. It touched only a small part of the
question of superannuation. He thought that too much
haste—more than the Government durst venture to
attempt—was exhibited in pushing it through the
House.

Mr. HANKEY said the principle of the bill was, that
in future no deduction should be made from the salaries
of civil servants. It did not enter upon the subject of
future salaries, and it would be quite competent for the
Chancellor of the Exchequer to introduce a clause to
meet the difficulty which he appeared to anticipate.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished the noble lord (Naas)
to explain the operation of his bill, which, consisting as
it did of a single clause, negatived an exoiting statute
which gave superannuation to certain officers. If that.
act were repealed would not these claims to superannua-
tion allowances be weakened ("No.") The Chancellor
of the Exchequer indeed might take the power to revise
the salaries. (Hear.)
Mr. WALTER was in favour and had advocated the
removal of the system of deductions, which be believed
to be altogether unsound in principle, but he had voted
against the second reading of the bill because he con-
ceived it did more than assert a principle. If the noble
lord had simply intended to assert a principle he could
have moved a resolution condemnatory of the existing
system, and he (Mr. Walter) would have supported such
a motion ; but the effect of the present bill would be to
add from to 5 per cent. indiscriminately to the
salaries of 16,000 public servants. (Hear, hear.) But
he could not give his support to a measure the imme-
diate effect of which would be to tax the public to he
knew not what extent. (Hear.) The proper course
would be for the Government to introduce a proposition
stating that there should be some revision of the salaries
of the civil servants, in order that the unsound principle
of deductions might be abolished.
Mr. AYRTON proposed to add a recital to the effect
that it was advisable the salaries of the civil servants
should be revised.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
think the words suggested by the hon. and learned gen-
tleman would meet the case. The Treasury had now the
power of revising salaries. (Rear, hear.) What it was
rna*erial to understand was whether it was intended that
salaries should be diminished rateably, in the eame pro-
portion ai the House was of opinio❑ now they ought to
be increased. If so, that principle should be distinctly
inserted in the act, otherwise the Treasury, in the exer-
cise of their prerogative of revision, might hereafter be
accused of contravening a solemn decision of the House
of Commons.
Lord NAAS said it was impossible to introduce into
the bill a clause for revising the salaries, as that could
alone be done by the Treasury, which already possessed
the power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
the Treasury could not take up the cats of each indivi-
dual whose salary would be affected by the bill, as that
would be virtually to repeal the bill.
Mr. NICOL moved that the chairman report progress.
The committee divided, when the numbers were—
For reporting progress 3l
Against it 49
Majority against it
Sir J. TRELAWNY suggested that all the civil ser-
vants who were affected by the bill should resign their
offices, and go in again on the competitive system.
On clause 1,
Mr. AYRTON moved to add the words—" That the
salaries of the civil servants shall be revised, having due
regard to the amount of reduction hereby made."
Tho CHANCELLOItof the EXCHEQUER opposed
the amendment, because practically it would put the civil
servants in a worse position than they were at present.
Mr. AYRTON withdrew his amendment.
Sir J. TRELAWNY moved the addition of the fol-
lowing words—" Provided it can be proved that any
individual has lost any advantages which without this
act be would have enjoyed, he shall receive compensation
to an equivalent extent."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the amendment could notbe considered, as it would
not be competent for the house to make such a charge
upon the Exchequer without a committee of the whole
houee.

Sir J. TRELAWNY was very unwilling to proceed
with the debate at such an hour in the morning-10
minutes past 3. The house was to meet again at 12, and
the pressure was exceedingly heavy upon the Speaker,
upon members, and upon the gentlemen who had to
report the debates. fie moved as an amendment that
the chairman report prcgress, and obtain leave to sit

again. -
On a division there appeared—

For reporting progress
Against it
Majority
The clause was ultimately agreed to, and, the house
having resumed, the bill was rep )rted amidst cheers.
The other orders were disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at Lalf-past 3.
Mr. TOLLEMACHE has paired off for the rest of the
session with Mr. M. T. SMITH.

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