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London, England, 1850-07-26 00:00:00

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up, to publie odium as resisting a prej, e..; for the pu''
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~.va,l.rarc . 'To, East lieiia Gotopsny never d;d eett!e!,
b,buet ; bu,! raid
elything calculared to ensure public
ecse not s,ll;reg that that shows: L'e exacted sshi-n.
_uon,
esee previously coeceded to them en grave political e
Aeration S. rs 'slain'
. The C HANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE °' ex' that
~nat the lien. Baronet was not correct in ststingeva.
eorsimunrcetioe took place with the East India '-'
,any .15 s.ion as he had decidsd on the route.
Sir J. HOGG—Yes; when you bad made uP your
~ind es to the rout-, but not before. Oa'
c.iv, d that Government were the
111. CHANCELLOR of th,, EXCHEQUER de,
ide that point, and not the East India, Comp be 00,,,
..eon as the route had been determined upon, he done.e
oluniereed to the East ladia Company what be had ,_.
Fie did not expect that the subject would have been ag' _
:ut.sed , otherwise he should have been prepare will:r.
.:,to a full statement of the case. He was quite 1.
re accede to the motion for the production of the coil`
spondeuce. ct to
Mr. ANDERSON, from his position with resPe,,,, $
Proper parties to m
he Peninsular and Oriental Nevigation Compaq, reaps, rust
rouble the House wish a few remarks on the statem no
inado by the Hoc. Baronet opposite (Sir J. Begg),„. sde r
rirat beested to say he corroborated the statereente•-see,
ie"ot
by the Right Hon. Baronet the Chancellor of the
eh( quer relative to the proposal laid before Goverututiou
by the company for establishing steam cowl:Mini" ea
A ith Australia, for connectirg colonies with India :to
.he mother country by auxiliary liar s of seam, whieeb„eas.
considered to be likely to teed to the advantage el ;site
coerce. This proposal had no connexion whatever
t'itts,
the existing lines of communication with Csicsroe
the proposal was an e ntirely distinct and sePoy
proposal. He could not hope to make the Ildese.thout
comprehend the intricate details of the question, wilco,
a very large map to show what parts were to be
out
neteed, and why they were to be connected. ne vi 0-
explain why it was advisable to establish steam cotesito
nication with Bombay, Singapore, and the Met 'so
colonies. Proposals had been put forward, for theio,
three or four years, for establishing steam colnue!
to
foundt, ~,,
tion with Australia. The communication Was
ne very expensive, owing to the conditions laid down
tl'bie.
Government. The difficulties were financial. and ar,
question to be solved was, how the service could be.P.,o.
tormed cheaper. He might here remark, Volt tbere'se
eerier cheapness of contracts by steam-voseles,, Oh
from the companies carrying goods and nasetnge,,“,„eelf.
the mails. It was the duty of his colleagues and himself
cueer
iu looking at the question to see how best theY
combine the greatest amount of goods and passe-e're.
posed to establish auxiliary
traffic with the mails. To effect that object the/ roils
cation with the Australian colonies and Chinse.";eise.
opening up new placea for trade and mere pear
They determined to extend the lines toss there
bay, and there the company stopped, becall pat
the communication was in the hands of the war.
India Company, whose vessels were vessels
erase to
lines for postal commtbus
in 02,
After consideration it was deemed advisable,
carry out the proposed plan, that the service freleaper
gapore to Bombay should be performed at a Le t ;he
rate. The Right llon. Baronet had stated tes oly
communications established by the East India Coln& Ira
had a political object. Now he believed it shushed
found that those communications bad been ests--e. user
t teoef
aLord routeG Iheyn etlhge
on the recommendation of a Committee of that ~,-osti.
(T)fh The hieh
practicabilityC emei
i
considered very uncertain, and that it bad better wage left
after a time to private enterprise. The East lodisosill
was the
sescwbsulioal:fl •
pany only established the communication teceP°duced
until such time as private enter •
prise could be he
t
to come forward. He did not see, therefore, thatnot
Eh:lst India Company had au justgrounds of ec'rne 00-
y s, of ID°
this matter. As far as regarded
rest carg corpoy,
poly broueht • , against the Peninsul w° $ BO'
atfind their alleged excessive profits, be would Ps eget
at when those questions were raised some '
A111;0066
theto Government
company readily expose.' their books and thereon'a
t.Gevernment inspectors, who made a report d.
showing that the allegations could nut be sustains coal'
Sir J. HOGG denied that he had described the
pany as monopolists. a said
Mr. ANDERSON said the Hon. Baronet 135 0 not
tnearlyehe same thing when he called on the IP:leaf the
o extend a monopoly ,by acceding to the recta" -neely
petitioners. He begged to deny that any nripbli°
existed. The old route was o d t-
e ° 'll
en as before, an
had the option of going bypthe East India COO,- soy
splendid vessels eisi Cape of Good Hope. SO, 'llt er
the Peninsular Steam Company were throUgheur she
posed to an active competition with a fine lice 0t that
East India Company's steamers. In order tec '321 Veil
compstition, the Peninsular Steam Compaq Ptd this
obliged to reduce their fares twenty per Cent., II", 641
would show that the public was in no great dangelso.ooo
monopoly. The company had offered to give 3,,ieb 11
miles of steam communication for the same sum vftti the ,
now cost Government to provide 75,000 miles ' °nosh 1
company, by their, proposition, sought to eftleeVinclis
good to commerce by closely ' connectingA t lie, -
us ra • .
and China, with the mother country. es the
Mr. AGLIONBY was not sure he could supp -table
resolution in its present shape, though be was fav°„,olC,
to its principle. It would be better to avoid dieel,-; of
the question until the papers were laid on the ts; the
the House. If the Noble Lord would leave "- the
word " immediate," he should feel disposed to giro
proposition his support. goose
Mr. SIIIEON regretted that the forma of the gang '
Id* weotu . not permit him to lay on the table the nu -sled'
p,arions on the subject with which be had been ent7the
1 e Australian colonists were stronely in faour 0, other
proposition for communication with le-da and the In
the did'
or
country. If the Right Hon. Gentleman'l foetid
culties in the way of communication instilleftible' b°
aletties' d
likely to delay the boon 0
sought by the c 03 e
trusted he would turn his attention to some other 0i
'mos
of communication,• eeher by the C •or the es•--
ape
Panama.—(Hear.) gouge
Mr F. SCOTT .
prevented his laying on the table a petition roest Se
ln.
rously signed, and containing the sigreource of teerhaps
fluential parties in the city of London than Peryeer°
were ever appended to any other • • F°lll.-
petition. weeps'
ago he presided over a Committee, which sat Mani , see
to consider the best line of communication 0110 •
tralia and Great Britain, and the result ;00
memorial to the Government on the subject, ell"'estieee
that
had
time to the present most pressing represer"- case
trequently been made. 1 • could not
Vhilat he e d par'i
the East India C Di,. rde , ompany for the course they "a , "
sued, neither did
he think the Government bad re
the interests of - The
to have done •in permitting such a long delsi•rne of
•
steam petitioners regretted that eltheugh there was a :lever'
communication from this country to alten:: a o°6
other country, still that steam communication 090.,(16
been
of
hextended to the Australian colonies, by „ith,eho b,
ch it is most imperatively required. " —de c' '
considerwd the great impertance of tne vvool tri be
Australia, he could not ter, regret that the squabble se
should
the Government and the East India Con3Poi
sh uld prevent that speedy communication which., d
the °no 0 '
the desirable,
and that speedy knowledge of
market which was of the utmost importaneead le ,
commercial point of view. Ile was not prejudtc-ogbt
xavour of airy particular route. Although he tbe° 101
the Cape line wad its advantages, he thought •-•": tee'
suggested by the Government would' afford the gr-s le
Movie
number of adventages as a postal line of corn alto'''
Lion and it had this further advantage, that it wn •,s
the
completed with the exception of that porklee-PeggP
in
lurther end. The Hon. Baronet (Sir J. rjettit
nalluding to the large sums of money paid bY we,,,,eih
India Company, took
no notice of the vast suing -
they r eceived.
HOGG— . ,
ee 011 the
Sir J. e Government meet,-
—The a .
postage. id Ili
Mr. SCOTT But a considerable sum was Pt tom
them
for the conveyance suse ..
of the mail between :,.00 se,
Bombey. He
sumed by the East India el - t 'lb
ini-elee 6 lf
one c- fol
-ompany was re
to make the' Ho • use and the country inquire Tare Tee
into the
renewal of their charter.— Hear, hear') ucti •
interests of the Australian colo• ( ofsoo to 00
importance to he juggled away byniaesdvir-eruete bet ©Roust
9overnment and the East India Company,'p and he 7--„ 01
the Government would notallow • terP°eit.° hei
. the in sh•s t •
any delay in a matter of such im o nce but ," eele
p rta , obit
wou!d take immediate steps to overcome the
which now existed. „ ell' •
Mr. MACGREGOR acid had be tom"
a petition _Dry „
trusted to him which was signed by almost c,r,'", 'epee ire
mercial house in Glasgow on the subject Of .
communication ' with the Australian 0010aietkif bad
not
tught the directors of the East India CouiPeeeeleere.
menta,ctaeaddwistly in rejecting the offer of the u°o'tiont
trusted they vrould reconsider the gile steam
and endeavour to do all in their °lid
°
to e% •u tv
navigation with
Australia the power
.t
of wbie
to
ewvieserystday becoming more apparent. lie. tboegi:ode
course would be to leave the matter in the food
of the Chancellor of the E 'believing' he . 11
xchequele
_, ,0 eet
take such such measures as were best calculateu "
that communicationatie'
_ _l. into effect
M . HENLEY did not think. • I re. e •
the economics , 00
meat of '
the Chancellor of the Exchequer fectlY 'OO
PeS to
• agl
factory,. The Right Hon. Gentleman u l°'
seemed cooped
that he
r.shad made an advantageous-bargain on tee% 00
Bombay.
on of the costs of carrying the mails go nevei:
Now, the cost of • f the 'saber]'
that portion o
erica was 245. or 255. a mile. It was hardly 0 eco°
fairly with the subject to say that 105,0001 svOtoole
nomical arrangement for the new service, solelY e`tetted
the other service cost so large a sum. 11,1erestoligb,ts
it that the motion bad been brought forward. Ply, -d bee,
left
have been much better if the matter Ptireouo
of thin the hands of the Government, because 5 Pee WO
tis kind must incapacitate them in some elestit'otber
making such a good arrangement as they wig
wise be able
to do.— (Hear.)he
owould
Mr. HUME trusted that the o fondenciff „„libglii
laid before the House in ordere trhraetstheY in'e'llt be
ef
ate) . judge correctly
' i the grounds on which the f-
ecund, the Bost India Compan bad been 03111;erlie‘
possible he hop, dit would be produced before e 1
ment separite4 for the
''roes. e nubile -e sro
Mr. DIVErr was glad to find that the r ~-. gt ..1,- 1.,
have a
n Opportunity of knowing why the
so fed
this Company pl..ced itself as a stumblieg block in state
of important measure. It had enerally be"l„d bill
that the Hon. Beronet was the regat obstacle, ti-
n 031
speech fully confirmed the report.g ing 1
Sir J. 110 '
oti GG explained that he was not act 0
"ut capacity at the time. Orieljt•
Mr. WYLD I, • the re'
thouebt the line proposed e) Gee •
~_iNavigation Comps,- ,
y and sanctioned by tbe use of e, •
eepett treat 6
we' !, Possessed great adtantages. The
portion_ of the lice was paid by the Mediterranetb, fJee
to be )10;
Indio
traffic from Bombay to Suez belonged '
Corepan •andpart
°f
v•
°ll
was the only pa rylog
which ), that
presented any great obstruction to the car
of this Important plan of steam comeaueiciatioli.,o divide.
LordT NA AS, in reply, said he did not intend o'divisio
The amendment was then negatived withot
_lva,
Oa the questign that the Speaker leave the.o