The Sun.
London, England, 1850-03-16 00:00:00

Presen:llbatential benefit could arise to them as long as the
p sPArene. of conveyancing ceminued. His Right
tie" said that if they voted thew large reduc-
*c.)! F..tich as the tea duty alai the window tax, they
'
Th,,Lir'l rivet the property tax for ever.—(Hear, hear.)
tlot property-tax was rivetted for ever, and he rajoicad
tb it was so. In conclusion, he repeated his hope that
war taxes would not be 'allowed to terrain on the
t• astute-book after a peace of thirty-live years, red that
• gib],r would put their
-system of taxation on some
Hear.; hear.)
the • -clia 0 wcaill not have risen, had it not been for
wicitesli?erve.!ion 'made by the lion. Member for War-
t:ll,l4lre, that, the free-trade policy of late years had
had al° .degradation of the working classes. Ile
pastel ,9 414,1 acquaintance with those classes, end had
be t greater part of his life among them.—(Hear,tO ateh.)t, jle :pit that the debt of gratitude which was cue
they . xovernment for the cheep supply of food which
by f ad obtained for the people would be appreciated
ra,r:lt" ire generations, which at the present moni-nt
'l4 I seemed to forget. lie thanked the Government
ai4 sincerely for the remission of the brick duty.—(lro-
e cheers and laughter.) There wes a time when he
lee an interested party in this question, but at the pre-
% the was not.—(Hear, hear.) Ho could assure lion.
lb .htlemen that he telt that remission only as it affected
weal-being of the working classes. He knew of no
P'"Y of small amount which
could tend so much to ins-
, illve the dwellings of the lower orders, Ile hored that
t Government would follow in the same track by sub-
: keuting a
,houee duty for rho window tax—one of the
3t "Popular taxes through the wnole length and
e4chh of tee land.
DI-ZUMMOWD was v, ry thank:ail to the Right
hedil°4ra4le Chancellor of the Exc).lequer for what he
hOven theta. He had no cause to complain of him
qe";,gt, aad only wished the Right Honourable
(i`,,ent'ul had used the same arguments last year, when
tbe`r44!. D'annaond) broure,nt forward his motion, for
eeer.""gat Honourable Gentleman had in fact adopted
4Ysitene of tne recornraenda.tions which he made on that
it4p„.4l. No doubt his ideas were put in much better
Q3474'40, b at still in the speech of the Right Honour-
erem
3thhis e Chancellor of ihe Exchequer he saw, as it
kr-„ oval image reflected.—(Hear and laughter.)
htir'aorl ng once; said that nothing was so false as
ittitfnes,ext ept. flue. Honourable Gentlemen were ever-
New:re:erring to Mr. Husleisson and Adam Smith.
leeC,. t here was any one point on which Adam Smith
thsth;jl. more etrongly than on another, it was this—
of th'".l value of the home market was far beyond that
firei- lei foreign market.—(Hear, hear.) This was the
htale, since he had had a seat in that House, that
444 Al beard a recognition of its value. It might have
eet,, In pato, but out of the mouth never did it.
for 1.--(Hear and laughter.) His motion last year had
Iji,lrB object to remove taxes from the poor to the rich.
fight Honourable Friend had deseaeted on the evil
Ce. system, which tended towards the err ation of
1,1344 it3lll el at the expense a the comforts of the labourer.
y,„ at
the very point which he had maintained last
"t*, and for maintaining which his Right Hon. Friend
lild told bins he •was verging on Socialism.—(Hear, and
I,tiighter.) He was told that under the system which he
to Posed they would gradually arrive at a point where
eZtlen wou'di absorb capital ; and when he urged that
d
should be clone towards redueieg the national
hi, by com'ing into the market and purchasing up stock,
t4„Pr9Pasi'tion was treated as too trivial to be eater-
burl". "Of what use," it was said. "isit to save a few
tprreds cf thousands?" His I-?ight Hon. Friend had
to :1 91 the income tax as being rather an advantage
the lab airing classes. Why then did he lay it down
/I,,it temp orary tax ?—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon.
ile;,(lneti the Member tor Tamworth, had always been
ae"Bed of a little dishonesty in proposing it as tempo-
,-o,b for he knew full well from his inmost soul that it
Vie,r would be repealed. He knew they would alWays
o to pay it, and he (Mr. Drummond) was, so far from
to 'e„eting tram him, desirous if he could to put an end
etc exc:,se on malt and substitute a property tax
(" Oh, oh," from Mr. Brotllertoe.) It was
tltpv,erY w ell for the Honourable Member there who he
eu Say, hardly knew the taste of it.—(Lauehter.) He
Ch /vlttit
) :deft, the tax from the beer-drinker to the
ClePa•cie-drinker.—(Hear, hear.) He wanted to let
free vrbi,:h was a necessary of life to the labourer be as
Como t
corn. Oh, yes, it was very easy for men to
er 4.e twaddling out of the Committee-rooms and talk
wa‘lreperauce.—(Loud laughter.) When Major El-
eo„,ll'ss went down to his own native country his friends
ll,'"Plained how pale and worn he looked. " Oh," said
itt';` some good Shropshire ale will soon set me up
he."'" That was the thing to which he trusted, and
tO airy temperance society.—(Laughter.) Ask the
the cultural labourers themselves what they thought of
titte out sr. He did not deny that the removal of the
hut?' oh bf.clts was important. hut still it went a very
Ce.;4ai. The case of the agriculturist was much more
my itageous than that of the manufacturers. He asked
tb nufacturer of cotton whether he would consider
th:, ha had true free trade in that article, if there was
its Prohibition of a very heavy duty on it ? And yet
rwn Was the case of the agriculturist, as long as they
40'ktitained ule malt tax.—(Hear.) The farmer was
the t pia a par with the manufacturer. For instance,
lob farmer could not mix peas and beans with his
%„It.t,t, but 'the miller could and did.—(Hear, hear.) He
.ripe not .mix bone-dust with his flour to make bread,
thi'Lne biker did.—(Laughter.) There were a thousand
1)4;t1g4 this sort. He could not mix cotton with wool,
tae stocking-maker and flannel-maker could. He
115,41 d 'not sell oak bark for jesuits' bark to hospitals, but
eZqruggist did. He could not sell quassia for hops,
lit‘ !Put honey into his a ins ea o
le t• d f malt, as the
eheWera did in Scotland.—Renewed laughter.) In no
pbs4 Of these instances could( the two classes bo said to be
loge. Par. He did not mean to say that the agriculturist
th. a bit more honest, or that he would not do the same
4,14 g if ho could; but he could not, and therefore was
h't oh a par with the rest of the community.—(Loud
'elite) For this reason he was entitled to more
111htliderations than other persons. The manufacturer,
it e,nlomont the raw material came inlo his hands, had
eekthgether in his power. It was not the same with the
h'Ner; From the moment he put the corn into the
;it)ttnd until he sold it, it was liable to every vicissitude
th; climate, animals, vermin, birds, and all sorts of
01;9, over which he had no control whatever. Ile
4, very glad they Lad got -hat they had, and only
'Qed they had got more; bat he supposed they must
eoLtent.—(Hear end laughter.)
kr. FRENCH complained that Ireland would derive
tet'Y little benefit from the proposed reductions. He had
belied to see some of the surplus applied to the promo-
% of emigration in those districts where there was a
elgeetion of the populati(Jn, and cecking the emire-
1, from other places of the nobsb nd sinew—ofg the
Pita], and industry of ',he country. He should also
ve been gratified to [MVO seen some such measure as
km proposed by sane late lamented Noble Lord the
144:reher far Lynn for the promotion of railways in Ire-
d• A more rAnfortunate selection could not have been
s'e,as faa' a'A that country was concerned.
Lord J. nANNERS—

" 'when we suffer, gentlest thoughts
Within our bosoms spring,
.And who shall say that pain is not
4, A most enlizhtcning thing?"
104 cettainly deeply regretted the cause which had so
ttog pt the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer
14,14 them, but he could not help thinking that, had he
11417. present at the debates which had taken place, and
Itr 'd the controversy which had been carried on, they
not have had a speech so remarkable for calm
el'odour as that whiclitathey had listened to that
and, as had been already observed, it was
th° first speech delivered by any Member of
Goverment its which a full and frank admission had
made of the existence of agricultural distress.—
st 4 ear, hear.) Nor was there any attempt, as far as he
It etubered, on the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman
ili,etualify that distress. The only point on which he
6'lered from him was on his unlucky recurrence to that
Vartunate system of prophecy which he thought the
cl% ht lion. Baronet the Member for Ripon had for ever
°Pellei. But the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exche-
tillerr not having heard the speech of the Right Eon.
s,49tiet last night, had endeavoured to cheer the de-
Ke!sed spirits of the agriculturists by telling them, as
l' had often told them before, that the pressure was only
uPoraey, and though he was obliged to admit that all
tj previous prophecies had been falsified, be still invited
iOn to expect better prices in time to come. His Hon.
4Lend the Member for Warwickshire had, however,
Ornsatistactorily that the data on which he
eeed his conclusions were entirely erroneous. If any
itiditional arguments were wanted, they would ',be found
t the last circular which came from Egypt. He had seen
iDe the other day from Alexandria, dated the Bth of last
ta°,lltb.,which gave the price of wheat at that moment
ta• freight to London being Gs. 5d., and to
t4l,Virpool at 7s- a quarter, and wheat might at
11.4 time be shipped from Alexandria and be laid down
o,i a profit in the port of London at 28s. a quarter. Look
4tnerican prices in the various ports of the United
ti;,tes. Within his own knowledge during the last
It„'" months wheat flour had bean shipped from New
rk to Liverpool at a price, not of 4s. but of 13d. a
1114'1'0. Under these circumstances what reason could
t4t; hight Hon. Gentleman assign for telling the agri-
k'turists of this kingdom that they might expect a per-
t:tient rise in the price of corn ? Ile believed, how-
that portion of the Right lion. Gentleman's speech
14,(411d not have the least effect upon the minds of the
P 13, and he hi artily hoped it might not, and that they
0;11'4 not bo delude:l into any extravagant experiments,
ei Induced to invest their capital on the soil on the faith
Ite the statement of the Chancellor cf the Exchequer.
it e Noble Lord the Member for Middlesex had drawn
'rue picture of the result of extravagant import duties
stimulating the smuggler. But why was it necessary
up these extravagant duties on tobacco and tea?
4,7P1y because of the system which de tossed
the agri-
etural interest, and would, if perreitted, ruin evee.„
V.leet industrial interest in the country. The Arian_
0101
.6tie duty
41‘)1' of the Exchugvr could not reduce
tltllih tea and tobacco,. because he declined to accept any
C t:,' lee American flour and I'Alstein be:rers. Ile could
1
• tit think his Right Hon. Friend es.e serious whoa 41'4ed the agr •
ikk agricultural hecerest to accept his two boons
(I.„a satisfactory settliee.ent of t:ee pending question.—
ilmer.) lie would rernied hi nof the argument which
it,Pplied to the greater proposition of his Hon. Friend
ember for Bucks.—nanizekee thet the proposed re-
tiec_tin would benefit the towns in the proportion a
to rune as compared with the agricultural interest.
(Idear, hear.) lie hoped, however, when the preposi
Wa6 submitt9,l t the Melte in a practical form, his
tOtti. lion. Friend would submit to them an analysis I
erespective shares of the agricultural and urban po-
4ttnn in ',he abolition of the duty.—(llear, hear.)
e
reference to the statenients as to tce general pros-
-41.,1tY, hi:, Right lion. Friend exprosEed no inconsider.
tee; utnur,nt of surprise at the anxiety manifested on a
wecasion, on the part of the shipping interest, for
Lion of the duty on timber. The fact was, how-
e,j. ;1. Tri,;.h^. !?f' that :he :zhipping interest was
4, plusr):tc,us ac,e „e,!.kill as that boon was, the shipping interest pressed for
/ had been pretty generally gdwitted eeeeia that