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the hours of labour by this Bill, and only regretted that
the limitation had not been carried further. It was im-
possible to improve the social, moral, and religious con-
dition of the population of the manufacturing districts,
without limiting the hours of labour. Commercial
prosperity might be purchased at too great a price, and
it was going to great expense fur it to sacrifice to it the
moral and religious welfare of our population.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE defended the clause.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA regretted that a ten
hours' clause bad not been adopted ; but he admitted
that the present Bill was an improvement on the old law,
The clause was agreed to.
Clauses 30 and 31 were agreed to.
On clause 32, which provides that women shall be con-
sidered as younce persons, being proposed,
Lord KINNAIRD moved that the clause be ex-
punged, as he considered the clause to be an attempt to
establish an interference with adult labour.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division
took place. On our return to the gallery we found
Lord WIIARNCLIFFE defending the clause.
Lord BROUGHAM concurred with his Noble Friend
at the table (Lord Kinnaird), in thinking that the clause
ought to be struck out. Duchesses and Countesses were
permitted to dance about their children from eleven at
night to five in the morning in rooms the atmosphere of
which was quite pestiferous, and yet the Legislature
never attempted to interfere with them. Why, the ope-
ratives saw through this, and petitioned the Legislature
not to listen to such nonsense as this Bill, because they
were convinced that they could never get twelve hours'
wages for ten hours' work. Coachmen were kept out all
night, sitting on their boxes, waiting for parties coming
from routes, but nobody attempted to interfere for them,
although numbers of them annually fell victims to the
inclemency of the weather to which they were exposed.
The Marquis of NORMANBY contended that twelve
hours was quite as great a length of time as any woman
ought to labour in a factory. The peasantry in the agri-
cultural districts were better educated than the labourers
in the manufacturing districts, as was proved by the re-
turns of the registrar.
Lord BROUGHAM said education was known by its
fruits; and lie would ask if Mr. Thom, who, four or five
years ago, had, by his delusions, given rise to such dis-
graceful scenes in the agricultural districts of Kent,
would have had ten followers in Barnsley, Manchester,
or any manufacturing district.
Lord CAMPBELL would support the amendment of
his Noble Friend (Lord Kinnaird). This clause applied
to the whole female sex. There might be a case of a
woman of forty years of age in robust health, who
rather than suffer her children to go into the workhouse
would work without injury to her health for more than
twelve hours a day, yet the law interfered to prevent her,
and to force her children into the workhouse. This
was an unjust interference with adult labour, and there-
fore he should oppose it.
Lord BROUGHAM said that as this had been dis-
cussed as a question of morals between the agricultural
and the manufacturing districts he would be content to
put it upon that issue. lie held in his hand a return of
the number of bastards born in the different counties in
England in the year 1843. In Bedfordshire, an agri-
cultural district, they were five and three-tenths in the
thousand in proportion to the whole population ; in
Dorsetshire they were three in the thousand; and in
Herefordshire four and one-tenth in the thousand ; in
the North Riding of Yorkshire three and three-tenths
in the thousand in proportion to the population. These
were purely agricultural districo. In the West Riding
of Yorkshire, a manufacturing district, they were only
one and five-sixths in the thousand; and in Lancashire
they were only one and two-tenths in the thousand in
proportion to the population. That was the proportion
of immorality of the manufacturing districts. Now let
them come to Wales ; there they would find that in
Anglesea the proportion of illegitimate children to the
population was seventy in the thousand! And in Radnor
it was 105 in the thousand!—(Laughter.) He was con-
tent to put the vote on this issue.
Earl WINCUILSEA said it was a notorious fact that
whore large numbers of people were congregated to-
gether, there were not so many children born in pro-
portion to the population as in places where the numbers
were smaller. _

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Lord REDESDALE contended that the return which
had been quoted did not show the cumber of illegitimate
children born in the whola population, but the number
of children relieved, which were, of course, pauper
children. A return of the whole number born it would
be impossible to procure. He had been accused of igno-
rance, but he was quite correct.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE did not believe
that the greater immorality of the manufacturing dis-
tricts had been proved.
After a few words from the Marquis of NOR-
AIANBY,
Lord KINNAIRD said the principle on which he
moved the rejection of the clause was on the ground that
it was an interference with all female adult labour.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause, Contents
Against it, Non-contents
Majority for the clause
The clause was then agreed to, as were clauses 33,
34, and 35.

Clauses 36 to 66 inclusive were then severally put
and agreed to without discussion, and the Bill having
been reported t 3 the House without amendments, was
ordered to be read a third time on Monday next.
POACHING PREVENTION

The Earl of STRADBROKE moved the third read-
ing of the Poaching Prevention Bill, in which he wished
to propose some amendments.
The LORI) CHANCELLOR said that the proper
time to propose the amendments would be on the quQs-
tion that the Bill d) pass.
The Duke of lIICHNIOND hoped the further con-
sideration of the Bill would Le postponed in order to
give their Lordships an opportunity of considering the
amendments. He objected to giving gamekeepers the
power of arresting persons on the high road.
After a few words from, the Earl of Radnor, from Lord
Campbell in support of the views of the Duke of Rich-
mold, and from Earl Fitzhardinge in support of the Bill,
it was read a third time, the amendments were propwed,
the Bill as amended was ordered to be printed, and the
debate on the question that the Bill do pass was ad-
journed till Monday.
CUSTOMS BILL.
The Customs Bill passed through Committee.
The other Bills on the table were forwarded a stage,
and the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 31.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
NEW MEMBER.

Mr. BOUVERIE took the oaths and MI; seat for Kil-
marnock. The Hon. Member was introduced by Mr.
Ellice, jun., and Mr. Ord.
DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL:

Petitions against this Bill were presented by Colonel
Powell, by Mr. Broadley from Yorkshire, Sir J. Y.
Buller from Devon, Mr. B. Cresswell from Nortlmmber-
land, Major Beresfird from • Harwich, Lord Pollington
from Pontefract, Mr. Brotherton from Salford, Mr. B.
Hughes from Carnarvon and Bangor, Lord Mindlesham
from Suffolk, Mr. Barnard from Greenwich, Mr. Boyd
from places in Ireland, and Colonel Fox from Limehouse.
Petitions in favour of the Bill were presented by Mr. A.
Chapman form Whitby, and Mr. Strutt from Derby.
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY presented a petition from a
Wesleyan congregation in Holyhead against the Dissen-
ters' Chapels Bill.
Lord ASHLEY presented several petitions to the same
effect.

Captain ROUS presented a petition from Westminster
to the same effect.

Sir W. JAMES presented petitions from several
Wesleyan congregations to the same effect.
Mr. CHRISTOPIIMt presented a petitiofi from the
clergy and adultiuhabitants of Andover to the same effect.
SirR.H. INGLIS presented apetition from the wardens
and other officers of Winchester College, against the
Ecclesiastical Courts Bill ; also from Cromer, in Nor-
folk, against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill.
An IIoN. MEMBER presented several petitions to the
same effect.

Sir THOMAS TROWBRIDGE presented a petition
to the same effect.

Mr. MURPHY presented a petition from Ireland to
the same effect. _ _

Lord 11. VANE presented a petition from Hertford.
shire in favour of the BilL _

Mr. H. BERKELEY presented several petitions from
Gloucestershire and Somersetshire against the Dissent-
ers' Chapels Bill.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT presented several petitions to
the same effect. _

Lord NEWRY presented several petitions to the same
effect.

Sir C. LEMON presented a petition, from Ireland to
the same effect. . .

Mr. CARTER presented a petition from Clitheree,
and other Vaces, to the same effect.
Sir W. YNN presented a petition from Devonshire,
to the same effect.
Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from Stafford-
shire to the same effect.
Mr. G. KNIGHT presented a petition to the same
effect,
Mr. CHRISTIE presented a petition from Wales in
favour of the Bill.
Mr. M. PHILIPS presented a petition from Mac-
clesfield to the same effect.
Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from lloniton in
favour of, and one from Huntingdon against, the Dis-
senters' Chapels Bill. •
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition against the Bill.
PROTECTION TO AGRICULTURE.
Sir J. Y. BULLER presented several petitions from
Devon in favour of further protection to agriculture.
Lord RENDLESHAM presented similar petitions
from Suffolk.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from an agricultural
society in India, praying for the admission of corn from
India on the same terms as corn coming from Canada.
The Hon. i•iember gave notice of his intention to call
the attention of the House to the subject on an earlyday.
EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
Mr. LEPROY presented petitions from Cork against
the national system of education in Ireland.
DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL.
Mr. KEMBLE presented petitions from congregations
of Dissenters in Surrey against the Dissenters' Chapels
Bill.

Citptsm TAYLOR presented petitions from Hereford-
shire to the same effect.
POOR-LAWS.

Mr. FERRAND moved for copies of the correspond-
ence
between Mr. Ryder, a member of the board of
guardians.of Chelsea, and the Poor-law Commissioners.
—Ordered.
Mr. HUME gave notice that, in Committee upon the
Bank Charter Bill, he should move a clause for the re-
peal of the legal tender clause.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
On the motion of Sir a CLERK, it was resolved that
the UOll5O at its rising adjourn till Monday.