The Sun.
London, England, 1850-05-11 00:00:00

bslaYvetehat aloe tests and all the qualifications which you
not stalely established and cherished in Ireland are
si„,,to,hbe recognised in that country ?—(Hear, hear.)
4' auld say that if it is laid down to us that Irelanu
n" in 1/4t,t
nraesi ~ -e to exercise or enjoy a political franchise
the ls disconnected with tenure, you bring before
shish ae of statesmen a country the position of
ence4oraands immediate attention, and they °sight at
aeva`a apply their minds to the application of some
state of thia t°
fore
remove the causes which have produced such
16egs.—(Loud cheers.) If that were placed
lgs( n b
a.stPce I should Ray it is not my duty in the
etiey,l but create a factitious and artificial constitu-
sal terrible I must endeavour to put an end to that sad
Zpt4oishtible for tt e
condition of things, which has rendered it
people to accumulate property and
Isla, qualification which is enjoyed in Great Bri-
t() p '''he'r3)—and that the first duty of a Minister is
,4e
u a law which should develops the industry of such
rrhteh —which, if there were laws existing
seen, :a their Opinion tendel to prevent the develo
p-
herr the industry of that country and the accumula-
e"' wealth in that country, as I believe, fir example,
Preen wnt state of the poor-law does,—l say that it
tied be the business of a Government to direct their
that
tghto
81" h subject, to reform and to remodel it; and
the sate} should take every necessary step to stimulate
gaadttirYrise, spirit, and energy of such a people in such
ioa wh."ll, and allow them to put therreelves in a posts
other k,lch, under ordinary circumstances, and in the
theelngderas of her Majesty, have generally preceded
have 100Yraont of the suffrage.—(Cheers.) Now, Sir, I
tie, t4,lloard from her Majesty's Ministers that this
:tention.—(
their
.queltion has particularly impressed itself on
fisheries Hear) We hal the question of the
11,1, brought before the House the other day. I did
ttizilletar from the Chief Secretary that her Majesty's
NererB--although they opposed the measure then
latieiate'risideration—l did not hear that her Majesty's
jece ;I.s intended to introduce any measure on the sob-
th
rial nd $0 it is, Sir, upon all questions connected with
Sir, rilate
development of Ireland.—(Hear.)
versa have -.eat ha • supposed that if her Majesty sGo-
ofthe a a given their serious attention
to the reform
ther
a ierr-law—if they had brought forward measures
fo development of the industry of the country, such,
the aillinee, as measures likely to encourage and extend
itie,ffo eries—if, above all, they had brought forward. a
ward which they do not seem inclined to bring tor-
kid ";-‘f they had attempted to settle in a statesmanlike
betweelna crate, manner the long-controverted relation
hot landlord and tenant—(Hear, hear),—l can-
stjett e'P thinking that the result of such legis-
beleadwellid be to qualify bona fide electors for
coosmuch more rapidly than this attempt at fac-
-444 :uurages.—(Loud ch.ears). But, Sir, we may be
ral aa,Call You defend the present state of the elect°.
*liset"ae`,ljse in Ireland?" Is it for me, or those with
Praen,` "age the honour to act, to defend it? The
erestqj State of the electoral franchise in Ireland was
mind by the Reform Act; and if we discard from our
4fait" the glowing and fervent sentiments of the
is 4 :',of the mine
what is the question before us? It
Ir acknowledgosent that the Reform Act for
littatliti,, had failed.—(Cheers.) But why had it failed?
'and anY one who really believes that the owner of
the Ireland is the sole or even the principle cause of
thice•e•,• ti,r,e? There is hardly one man, even in the
r4iote•,.,'l3usa, would have the courage to rise up and
j;,asu,eh a thesis.—(Cheers.) The electoral body
d;m"' Why has it so fearfully diminished? The
tee utioncan be traced to causes sufficiently patent to
to
°lint
telia e °I. go melancholy a result.—(llear, hear.) The
:11111 se' are unprected
reflationpoitical agitation an
a raael d • a between land-
lera e amine. chat he
Ternmud tenant—relations which we call upon the Go-
to come forward and legislate upon,. but
bare a4,`"eY neglect to do—that these relations
'°tail,t;" tendency to diminish the electoral body, I have
°til'est 145 13r interest to dispute or deny. But to pretenhd
e relations between landlord and tenant are t e
u°l Principaldiminution of the electoral
iscause of t
"es. ....4AI Position too futile to require any further no-
tlral Oheers.) The fact does remain—that an e.lec-
Ilishede4Y, never too considerable, is very much doni-
ic'etti And here let me remind Hon. Gentlemen who
i lir 44-' unnecessarily to create party discussions, that as
citlt: interests are concerned it is not the interest of
ire teeti'T'flan on this side of the House, if the results
tars'
1-2n.„"e us, to support the arrangements of the else-
liderail)•tancloise in Ireland. A majority, and nu incon-
-4e mess majority, of Irish Members always vote against
Pot; endures and the principles which we generally sup-
je i:always confess and, therefore, in any remark.s
'4 4 ti-s:u on the system Which exists, we may have credit
,7th trit of fairness and impartiality. Nor am I one
Rho would attempt to justify any opposition to
Duch °sure oa the mere abstract fact that it will
I.4id th T the constituency of Ireland. It is
ti° aeuati` teasemake the!constituency of Ireland amoun
'iji3ooa"?(2/ or 330,000. Let the electors of Ireland be
haitc if their suffracres are the natural and genuineLd
lhreTProperty intelligence, and honesty.—( oho
ithllgtigs;',4,l3ut, instead of 300,000, if the result of t is
i'cleed-b"ero a much more limited number—were they,
h-4 this-4t a moiety of the sum which has been acceptedld
;94 Probable result of this proceeding—l shoo
41) object to law if I found that the end was
e t your
iThsta allied by a mere artificial effort to produce a
,are„LtlencY.---(Lood cheers.)bl
The Right Honoura e
Drise7,e,t (Sir James Graham), who disapproves of thed
tc,A tdP4l clauses of this Bill, supports it from mirce
I,l;4tkns, and mainly, of course, and very properly
K•lbkartew of the case, brcawse he considers it of great
5000 that there should be a constituency of
,nlol
,;,• raount in Ireland. But I ask you to conside.r a e
41k ` You are approaching this difficult question—e
t/1i i'll to consider whether you are taking alcouvires
will lead to the result which
ofll
d•
e;? that all of us desire. Supposing
thatl .wleCOalt
tiSti-
ItheS,ll. a bona fide, a considerable, Intel
the occasion,
!ball
.111 Ireland—a constituency qua o
their
inter able to select men capable of representing
n.
sit in this House—a co
tilt gists and qualified to
41e3e1l affected to the
the ,on the whole, w ins itutions
~kinze •—I ask you whether the course you are
ear one calculated to attain that re
• -5 result?—(H gar
the)
/our constituency, which was anticipated under
Illstelcrre Act, has diminished from political, from
e
*hi -‘4( causes —it has diminished to an amount of
tress, not one single Member of the House,
as
Buta re-
nah.
eiteUrnStAnCe, will approve or vindicate.
this r 7," this—that the very causes which have produced
tal4e'tnainution—that the very moral and material i 1
tlltt that have occasioned this result, are also causes
tr ;are disinclined the people to any hasty adoption
414- electoral system which would be framed for the
14nts4te Purposes of a party, and not to satisfy th
_
amend requirements of the national will. Now, Sir,
Cos Oct inclined on the present occasion to
d() reasons for showing this to be a party object.
41t,e 11(4 say that the Government on this occasion
ntoont
,terael/rGoght forward a measure mainly, or even.
Y, indirectly a plan to support their policy and
▪ 13,4trtY• It is quite unnecessary to diverge into thed
t 4• 03-;°0 of any such question. All that I wish to
.e
no
'44.J ret-ePind the House of the circumstances which
s"lt ti,".; sho even in the opinion of the
,ova
at i,"'4 is a crude and ill-digestcd scheme—(Gheere)
which does not aim to settle the question in
tr Dc.:"!l‘)rgbut
enes 11 satisfactory for any length of time
tsaii Tch emanates from the men who have
4enlY adopted uncertain conclusions—(Hear)—and
iV2lq at M
thin moment, in the very heat of debate, have
Sirtiay- toore than one evidence that, at this very instant,
Contemplating still further changes.—(Cheers.)
114, take the clause which the Right Hon. Baronet
to tictverted to—and it is only because he has adverted
°,t thenelitose that, at this late hour, I call the attention
trains 'louse to it—but I will take the second clause,
‘t";" which he prided himself upon having voted.. In
most it is a very injudicious clause. I voted against
irop-ilt:aincerel because I thought it an injudicious and
krs°tr 00005Y' a clause which would not have been pre-
-I,"y men well acquainted with the circumstances
as(ohith weich they were dealing—an unstatesmanlike clause
t° rsars)—a clause which, in my opinion, ought not
Illy -I;e're the sanction of Parliament.—(Hear.) I would
°Qir-,°are--I would say a clause which ought not to,ore-.
14%1 44. R sanction and approval of the House of C m_
/cite because lam not one of the school who would
IPoe,;°Jlt Bill of which I disapproved to throw th_corne7
cheetaniity of rejecting it upon another body.—(Loud
d_
rgattya•.) But if this is my opinion,and the opinion of
G Iwho have spoken on the present
Qui • ent emen
what is the
°P• °ll and duringpreceding discussions
„Ale,
Pcart,", Of her Majesty's Government on this most irn-
-4'144,7 clause ? Why, no less a person than the First
ht
lista -"elof the Crown, when the clause was first b. rotag
to
uiscussion, almost anticipated our objet ions
4.1q4 .4d threw it as it were into the centre of the
thin){
late the arena of our Parlirmentary discussions,
Ihiria'',"o he cared not to be responsible for it. Sir, I
!iris alis clause, which is, perhaps the most objection-
itaie'n'auac of the'Bill—a clause of which we particularly
ittltPUrtr„,°:e—is a clause that now becomes of considerable
r6--",eo--that occupies a great place in legislation.
and the I° be sent with the approval of the Ministry
dealt sanction of this House to another lilace to
thebe
respc,..w.ith, we aro throwing upon another. placeurselves
trnlferibility of rejecting legislation which we o
ahest
4'4 iii
4:1 and which is acknowledged by thed
cheers, \4' to he most crude and ill-digested.—(Lou
Itticia)' I ask, is that the manner to treat another
Pottv Is that the spirit in which we should sup-
thiakm° institutions of the country ? It is not decorous, I
*ha d.`11% Minister, but it is still less decorous in those
tiktB,LB4PProve of such a course, and who, having ro-
tettea-a`
m their vote against it, still vote for the third
'-(Lag of the Bill of which it forms so prominent a part.
cf tbc/ cheers.) Take the clause in which the amount
a, Cud
franchise is defined. The Hen. Gentleman (Sir
in ar,Nlarn) tells us that in votinw fur
this Bill he votes
'sail h • which he has always pro-
ante --at least of late years—(A laugh)—and i
telf r!"11 those projects of legislation which he has him-
lt,Do gliePared and sup supported. Why, Sir, it is not long
el:1---t1s-t "8 ouly in the') year 1844, that the Right Hon.
aery rn.°ll himself brought forward a measure on this
aricet. And what was his qualification in the
hligt;ea,lB44? It was a 301. franchise—(Cheers)—esta-
-...(ch`i if I recollect right, on the same basis of rating.
etai.eets.) But what is the answer of the Right Hon.
triman and his friends object to their support-
, th -
of„. ,
' we Nth" qualification, when a short time ago, as the
cf thatheir matured counsels, of their deep reflection,
o%eietr elaborate research, of all the advantages which
Fran
inf°r
• imparted, proposed a 301.
atiehis mation they
able ase • Why the answer of the Right Honour-
caalet alontletnan will probably be that the cir-
treertileee' "f Ireland are changed—lreland is irn-
at -15aed—Ireland is not so wealthy as she was.
kress,? rePIY is— Is Ireland always to be ice-
d;
'linedln this age of progress, which we have
th tintecra our ears every night and on every occasion, is
"ee "e ll° Pro res •
44 the fin g s Ireland? I have more confi-
juie • ure for Ireland than these great states-
-41°41 law that t not
thatwill give my Ranction to a g.rea
4„,
at Irel iat is to announce to the United hAngdom
then. la !ad is always to be au er —(Cheers.) Well,
Pt xluer • ap p .
'tt t these circumstances, accounting, as I will
"c4g9"l—Livt by 010 RIM wisatigactcry