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London, England, 1844-01-23 00:00:00

roceed with the first charge and complete it, in order
Oat he might ask either for a committal or discharge
f Mr._ Barber.
Mr. CLARKSOiN would invite his friend to go to the
Court of Queen's Bench and ask the. advice of that
Court if he thought the proceedings wrong.
Mr. CHAMBERS said that was the very reason he
asked for a committal or discharge. He wished to
go to the Court of Queen's Bench. He thought the
'Court ought to ask .the prosecutor to go on with the
first charge.
The LORD MAYOR thought he was adopting a con-
stitutional course in the mode he was pursuing.
Mr. John Noble—Was assistant accountant to the
Bank of England. Recollected Mr. Barber coming
to the Bank of England on the 22d of June, 1841.
He- was accompanied by the female prisoner.
Mr. IL INS objected, on the part of Mrs. Dorey,
to this mode of proceeding.
Examination resumed—He introduced the lady as
the executrix of Eliza Burchard, deceased. He said
she wished to receive the hack dividends of stock
belonging to Eliza Burchard deceased. Mr. Barber
had all the necessary- documents ready. The amount
of dividend was 4401., and the stock 700/. Reduced
Annuities. The Stock was restored on the 19th_ of
June, 1841, into the name of Eliza Burchard, New
Bond-street, Bath, spinster. The female prisoner
signed the necessary document, and received from
witness a ticket on the cashier for the money.
The witness was cross-examined by Mr. Chambers
and Mr. Wilks as to the identity of Mrs. Dorey ; but
his evidence on that subject was not at all shaken.
Griffin, the person alluded to by Mr. Clarkson,
was-then called in Court.
Mr. Hyatt was called, but did not answer for some
time. A short delay having taken place Mr. Hyatt
appeared in Court, and was cross-examined by Mr.
CLARKSON—Kept the Greyhound in Great Marlow.
Did so is May 1840. Went there in July 1835 or
1836. The prisoner, Fletcher, came to his house in
May 1840. He stopped at witness's house. In-
quired of witness if he knew a person named Steuart.
He told witness his name was Mr. G. Jones, 24,
Little Guildfordsstreet, London. He said he wanted
to find out the relations of a person named Steuart,
that died at Marlow. 'Witness recommended him to
some elderly people who would know better than him,
as •he had been only a short time there. lie said
that Mr. Stuart had a good deal of property, and they
wished to find out his relations. - lle said he came
from the Lord Chancellor. Witness accompanied
him to. several of the elderly people of the place,
among whom was a person named Windsor, who
knew Stuart very well. Ile said there was an ac-
count that Stuart had a brother who went to Ame-
rica. Windsor told the prisoner that Stuart had been
a gardener with Mr. Stride, who lived at Court
Garden. Windsor told Fletcher that Stuart died in
1827. Fletcher then inquired about the gravestone of
Stuart, and winess went with him and showed
it him. Ile took a note of what was
on the grave- stone, and also of 1% hat was told him
by the persons .he had introduced him to. Witness
promised, at the request of Fletcher, that he would
send him any word he obtained of the relatives of.
Stuart. Fletelier said that fir any information he
should- give he would he handsomely rewarded. Ile
also asked the witness the name of the clergyman,
"and he told !din the Rev. Thomas Stracey
Fletcher then went away, and in about a fortnight
afterwards the prisoner Barber came, went into
his commercial room, and ask,e, him if he had not had
a person of the name of Jones there ? Witness
said he had, and upon the prisoner Barber inquiring,
witness said he had made every inquiry about the rela-
tives. of Stuart, but could not discover any, except a
brother, who went to see. Ile said he was from the
same firm as Mr. Jones, that it was all one. He said
his name was Clarence la aek haul, Esq., 52, Nelsoa- square.
Witness went with him, at his request, to several per-
sons; among whom was NVindsor. The prisoner Barber
said that Stuart had (ilea worth a good deal of pruperi v,
which would fall to the Government, if no owner could
be found. lie said there was a good deal of property in
Cheleca ; he said there was property in the Sinking
Funds, but that that had gone with him.
Barber invited witness, when he came to London, to
come and see him, and, in the meantime, to get all the
information he could. He asked him to come and dine
with him. Shortly afterwards witness went to London;
went to the house 52, Nelson-square, and inquired for
Clarence Packham, Esq. A woman answered the door,
and he then saw the prisoner Barber. It was in the
evening when he went there. Witness told him he could
not find out any relation of Stuart's. He thanked him
for the trouble he had taken, and there the matter ended,
and witness left. Old Windsor was a baker, but he had
left off business now from age and infirmity.
Cross-examined by Mr. 'CHAMBERS.—He (witness)
had not seen Mr. Barber since he saw him in
Nelsen-squares-until he saw him the other day in
the Compter. When he was taken to the Comp-
.ter, be instantly recognised the prisoner Barber as Mr.
C. Packham. t.ould not say whether he saw him through
. bars or not. lle thought it was Wednesday when he
went there. Witness could well recollect what took
place in 1840, although he could not recollect whether
•he saw the prisoner Barber through bars at the Compter.
Upon his oath the expression Mr. Barber made use of
Naas that its all one firm, he used the latter word par-
' ticularly. The a itness here produced a me
morandum-book in which he had put the address of Mr.
Packham. When witness went to Nelson-square, he
stopped in the passage.
Mrs. Emma Hartwell was the wife of John Hartwell,
who kept a coal and coke-shed at No. 2, Heed's-road,
Westminster:road. In 1840, was the servant of a Mr.
Bradly, a grocer, who lived in Southampton-ruts, Cam-
berwell. Itecolletted Fletcher coining to her roaster's for
lodgings for an old lady. Witness shuwed them to hint,
and he said they would do very well. In a few clays after-
wards an old lady came, accompanied by Mr. and Mrs.
Fletcher. IVitness thought tea was ordered. The old
lady continued ai occupy the apartments; for three or tour
months. She appeared to be very old and chiliiish at
first. Fletcher • used often to visit her, the female
• prisoner, Mrs. Dorey, also visited her. Fletcher used to
call there frequently. No other persons visited her
• except Flkeher, his wife, and daughter. The old lady
was tall awl thin, ofratlier pale complexion ; her eye's
- were very weak and red. She used sonic times a little
milk and water to them. She had the gout in one of her
hands occasionally. She was at home a great deal. 11cr
usual breakfast flour was between nine and ten. She
- (lined at one. Hcr ppetii• was very. indifferent. S!le
had difliealty m walking, and alwap carried an um-
. brolla to lean upon. She was a very weak person. She
generally wore a half-mourning, cross-barred, washed-
out cotton gown. Occasionally she wore a black silk
dres,. She wore a black silk bonnet, trimmed with
crape. Semannes Fletcher called upon her twice a
day. Never knew from herself is hat her name
was ; hut letters came t*(l- her directed ta Siks
Stuart. When Fletcher and any of thwiti came, they
.asked for the old lady. She appeared at times to be very dub,
particularly towards the latter end of the time, and said she did
not like the apartments. Never recollected any quarrelling
between the old lady arid Fletcher. Recollected the old lady
going away iu company with the female prisoner.
Cross-examined by Mr. Wilkins—Witness was a servant
of a I work, and no person answered the doer but her. Sir.
Forrester, shreofficer, brought her there. He came to her on
Friday week last,-tut that was nut the first time she saw him.
She had- had several interviews with Forrester. No clothes
had teen shown her, nor had any description of clothes been
given her. Forrester had spoken to her about clothes. The
old lady was between seventy and eighty.
Mr. Charles am a stock-broker at 23, Thread-
-needle-street. I remember the prisoner, Barber, calling on
me in October, 1841. He desired me to go to the Bank with
him to see some stock sold, which should pass through my
hands. I bad never seen him before on matters of busi-
ness. I had seen him frequently before at the Southwark
Literary Society, and I certified his identity. Thete
was a female waiting for him in the chief accountant's
office. Barber introduced me to her as Miss Stuart,
She was a tall person, at from 40 to 50 years of age. She
was dressed in dark clothing. Shortly afterwards he called
again at my office, and directed me to sell .511. Long Annuities,
standing in the name of Elizabeth Stuart, Southampton-ter-
race, Southampton-street, Camberwell. He stated that he
would be at the Bank at two o'clock, with Miss Stuart, to
make the transfer. He called again, and I accompanied him
to the Bank, Iterate, previously sold the Stock and put the
transfer forward. fie was accompanied .by the same female
that accompanied him before. Ido not recollect the person.
•I do not see her here. If I were to see the person, I think
should know her. (Ile Learned Counsel wished Mrs.
.Dorey to stand up, for the purpose of its being shown that she
was not the person. This was objected to, and net pressed.)
She signed the transfer, and I handed Mr. Barber a cheque fur
the amount of 652/. 2s. 9d. for the amount. I found that I
. had paid 31. 3s. 9d. too much. I returned to my office, made a
correct account and another cheque, and went to Barber's
office in Token-louse-yard. 1 then sent to the
bankers, and when I returned to the office they told
me the bankers had sent to say that. the cheque
had been peal in gold. I went to 3lr. Barber's office,
and told him that I had paid him too much. He gave me the
-same address that was no the stock parer. I told him that the
cheque had been paid in gold. He said they were stupid
country people, that were frightened at the rumours of war. I
wrote a letter fu the address on the stock ticket, and sent it by
a messenger. It was returned because the party was not in.
,Such hail been my orders. Sly brother told me subsequently
.that he had received the three pounds from 31r. Barber.
the Bank Cross-examined
by Mr. Chambers—My office is close to
England. It is usual for solicitors not known to
the Bank to walk over to some neighbouring stock-broker and
-get him to accorni,any him. There is a regular commission for
the sale or stock, but tbo:druer,rec:ui.ve any
profes-
sional gentlemen. identifying
.neavertrent transaction with Mr.
Barber 1841, and since
11c-examined—The transaction in other.
51741 was in the affair of
Eliza Burchard. I have never known hint by the name of Jones
'or of latekhana
' Frederick William l'oa-1 am
•a• notary public and proctor.
1 attested the execution of the depositionproduced
named Griffin. Ido not recollect the least in by a person
the world of his
person. I also attested the deposition of the other depenent,
Elizabeth Shied.
• Daniel Forrester—l made inquiry after Thos. Griffin and t yes-
terday morning I took him into custody at 5, Gray shraedet ,
a
Duke-street. -Manchester-square. I told him thatyf
warrant against him for making an affidavit, signed Thomas
'Griffin. He said he was the reason, and that he was quite
wiling to state all he knew about the fact.
• Mr. Wiaatats desired to know if Griffin was now under
charge, or as a witness, because he should certainly object to
hearing any such statement made until he ascertained in what
position lee was placed.
Mr. CHAMBERS, on behalf of Mr. Barber, also objected to
the statement being.rwirle until the siwation in which Griffin
stood was a7certaincd. If he were witnes.s let him be called,
if he warn xn d f.st jet tb- o.w ueats
snit let it b.; LIIOWn it he war iql4r;zrtf 'mini-non with aft:
other prisantp.
Me. BALLA NTYNE had understood, from the commencement
of the proceedings, that Griffin was in the same po!ition as the
other prisoners. . .
WILZIN3 conteuded that Gran, in fairness to- higaself,