The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-25 00:00:00

THE SUN,

up in a close an ti heated atmosphere, like that which
prevailed in th a metropolis. When a man was en-
joying the healt by recreation which resulted from a
change of scene he was resting himself from labour,
improving his I wealth, and rendering him more con-
tented with his condition of life, and therefore while
the directors dic l not despise the commercial, conside-
rations which th is question involved, their main object
in running excr traion trains was not so much for profit
as a desire to r itford the working man a cheap oppor-
tunity of ma- ping, as it were, from prison, and seek-
ing pleasure and rational enjoyment in the country.
An engineman., a fireman, and two guards was all
the labour reeluired for working a train carrying
some six b undyed persons from London to
Brighton, and when be remembered the evils which
had arisen in Scotland from the practice of shut-
ing the people up in large towns, he really
did think it was the duty of all well-wishers
of his country to encourage the system of railway
excursions. Having said thus mach, be was happy to
add that these excursion trains had not interfered
with their commercial prosperity ; indeed, he might
say per se it had increased it, for, with no increase of
working expenses, the ordinary Sunday traffic had
reached from 4341. last year to 4571. per day ; while
the excursion traffic had advanced from 7151. per day
to 9661. Nor had the Sunday excursion trains at all
interfered with the Saturday and Monday traffic,
since the increase this year over last was 3.0501. as
against 2,9451., and it was therefore the intention of
the directors to continue this mode of operation on
all the lines so long as it met with the approval of the
shareholders and the public. He was no advocate
for reducing the accommodation of travellers, by con-
tracting the carriages or packing them closely, like
herrings, as was done on other lines, and he thought time
and experience would prove that he was right in that
respect. He bad now disposed of all the topics that
seemed to call for observations, and it now only re-
mained for him to take a slight glance' at the future
half-year. He had entered into some calculations on
that subject, which led him to believe that the increase
in the expenditure would require an increase of
5,0001. in the half-year's receipts, or 2001. per week,
to enable them to sustain their present dividend. All
beyond that would go to increase the dividend. He
should still recommend the propridtors to set aside
15,0001. a year for the reserved fund till it reached
50,000/., when some reduction might be safely made
' in the amount annually put apart for that purpose.
Mr. HERAPATH complained that they had increased
their expenditure for an insignificant augmentation
of traffic. He was opposed to the chairman's notions
about travelling for the million. This company had
set the example of running excursion trains at ridi-
culously low fares, which had forced the South-
Western and the South- Eastern to reduce their fares
too, and his opinion was that the contest would rea-
lise the fable of the Kilkenny cats.
Mr. LEVT charged Mr. Herapath with having
made a statement, in Herapath's Journal detriimen-
tal to his (Mr. Levy's) character. The statement
accused him of having jobbed in the shares of the
company, namely, with having sold his shares at
a high premium, and afterwards repurchased them
at a reduced price when the dividend had been made
known to the public. Now be begged to state that
here was no truth in that accusation.

Mr. HEZAPATII said he was not the editor of the
journal in question, but if he was not mistaken the
paragraph complained of was a Stock-Exchange ru-
mour. Now he was not a member of that exchange.

Mr. LEVY—No, there are rogues enough there
already.
Mr. HEEAPATH—And therefore had no means of
ascertaining its truth.
After some further discussion the report was
adopted, and the dividend declared payable on an
early day.
Resolutions were then passed, authorising the
directors to consolidate into stock such of
the eighth shares (D), created on the 19th
August, 1846, in respect of :which the whole
of the calls shall have been paid ; and also to
consolidate into 51. per cent. stock, from the Ist day
of August nest, the five par cent. 91. Bs. shares of
the company, commonly denominated " Croydon
Thirds," the several conditions under which they were
issued remaining attached thereto.
Messrs. Mansfield and Reeves were then elected
auditors, with a remuneration of 2001. per annum.
The sum of 1001. was also voted to the committee who
audited the present accounts.
Thanks were then voted to the Chairman, who
briefly acknowledged the compliment, and the meet-
ing, which was numerously attended, broke up.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVENING.)
HOUSE OF LORDS.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'clock.

Mr. DUNCAN thought that more time should have
been allowed for the discussion of the extensive amend-
ments which had been made in this Bill.

Mr. LABOUCHERE hoped that the House would
not delay the Bill at so lsta a period of the session. If
the House would do all they could to further the pro-
gress of the Bill, he would promise that he would allow
all the time he could between the reprinting of this Bill
and the third reading.
Mr. CARDWELL cautioned the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman against delaying this Bill to too late a period
of the session.

After some further discussion, the Committee divided,
when their appeared— . .

For the re-committal 3
Against it
Majority
The amendment was consequently lost.
Mr. LABOUCHERE then moved several additional
clauses, which were agreed to without discussion.
Admiral BOWLES then moved the following clause:—
"That the Lord's-day shall be observed according to
law, and no work shall he done on that day which is not
absolutely necessary for the cleanliness and preservation
of the ship and stores, or for its safe and careful navi-
gation if at sea or proceeding to sea; and if the master,
owner, or consignee of any ship shall cause any unneces-
sary work to be performed on the Lord's-day, he shall,
on being convicted thereof; be liable to a penalty of five
pounds for every such off, nce."
Mr. LABOUCHERE, though he was not inclined to
treat any suggestion of the Gallant Admiral with inat-
tention, yet be found himself unable to recommend the
adoption of this clause to the Committee. From whit he
had heard he did not believe that any provision of the
kind would be acceptable either to the majority of the
shipowners or sailors. He hopod the Gallant Admiral
would be clntent with bringing the clause before the
House, and wou'd not press it turther.
Admiral BOWLES expressed his willingness to with-
draw the clause, because he did not wish it to be known
that any considerable number of Members voted against
such a clause.
The clause wag then withdrawn. •

Mr: ANDERSON moved the insertion of the follow-
ing clause:—" And be it enacted, that if in the course of
a voyage any seaman shall quit his ship without the
consent I.f the master, to enter into her Majesty's naval
service, and shall be received into such service, and the
owner shall thereby incur any additional expense, loss,
or damage. it shall be lawful for the Lord High Admi;
ral, or the Commissioners for executing the office of
Lor,d High Admiral, to imdemnify the owner for such
additional expense, loas,.or damage, to such extent as to
them may appear just and reasonable." The lion. Mem-
ber said the object he had in moving the insertion
of this clause was to relieve shipowners
of what he considered a very great grievance, and
he hoped, now that they were an unprotected class that
the Government would assent to his proposition, espe-
cially as the desertion of their seamen to enter the
royal navy entailed upon them sometimes very consider-
ab!e expense.
Mr. LABOUGHERE said the House had already de-
cided when the Bill was in Committee nut to alter the
law as it at present stood on this subject, and he hoped
that the discussion with respect to it would not be re-
vived. It would not be advisable for the House to pro-
nounce an opinion on a question of such great national
importance iu this incidental manner; and he therefore
trusted that the Hon. Member would not press his clause.
Sir F. BARING observed that the clause as it was
framed would not give any power to the Admiralty to
award compensation to the shipowner.

After a ;holt discussion, -
Mr. HENLEY said he thought this subject had not
received that attention from the Government which it
deserved. Shipowners were now in a very different po-
sition to what they were formerly, they being exposed
to the free and unrestricted competition of the
world, and it would only be common honesty and justice
to protect them from any luss of this kind.
Mr. FORSTER said the discussion had given another
proof that the rule of the Government had been to
exclude everything from the Bill likely to relieve the
shipowner, he hoped the Hon. Member would divide the
House on the clause.

Admiral DUNDAS opposed the clause, observing
that he thought the liberty of seamen to enter the royal
navy afforded a great protection to them against any
injustice on the part of their employers.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause .. 25
Against it ... 48
Majority ... —23
The clause was consequently lost.
Clsuse 18 was struck out at the suggestion of Mr.
LABOUCHERE.
On clause 28 being read, which provides for the esta-
blishment of shipping-masters to conduct negotiations
between shipmasters and seamen,
Mr. ANDERSON moved an amendment, to the effect
that the shipping-masters should be allowed to act only
when " required by any owner or master of a ship."
Mr. MuFFATT and Mr. WAWN supported the amend-
ment.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it

70
Majority ... —62
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he had ascertained that
the Bill would be printed and in the hands of Members
by to-morrow morning, and as it was important that it
should go to the House of Lords as soon as possible, be
hoped there would be no objection to take the third
reading on Monday.
Mr. MONSELL trusted that Tuesday would be fixed
for that purpose, so as to allow time to communicate
with the Irish ports on the subject ut the amendments.
Mr. DUNCAN supported the suggestion. He thought
that more time ought to be given to allow ►hipowners in
Scotland to consider the amendments.
After a few words from Mr. WAWN,
It was agreed that the third reading should be taken
on Monday, ut twelve o'clock.
MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill,
Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
Clause 9, after a short discussion, was agreed ta.

On clause 10,
Mr. VESEY proposed an amendment to the effect that
the election of the medical officer of a dispensary should
be placed in the bands of the committee of management
and n:,t the guardians of the union.
Sir W. 'SOMERVILLE opposed the amendment,
thinking that it would be against the principle of the Bill,
which was to allow the boards of guardians to have
pr Iper supervision and control over these charities.
Lord NAAS supported the amendment.
Sir D. NORREYS considered that a more harmoni-
ous management might be secured by allowing the
medical officers to be appointed by the boards of guar-
dians.
After some further discussion, the Chairman was di-
rected to report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The House resumed, progress was reported accord-
ingly, and leave was given to sit again to-morrow.
The House then adjourned until Five o'clock.

The House resurn.-d at Five o'clock.
CHIPPENDALL'S DIVORCE BILL.
Mr. PAGE WOOD brought up the report of the
Committee to whom Mr. Chippendall's petition, praying
to prosecute his Bill fora divorce in forma paupers, was
referred.—The report was agreed to.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from Montrose
against the Bill introduced into the House of Lords, and
known as Lord Kinnaird's Bill.
Colonel LINDSAY presented a petition from certain
Odd Fellows in Wigan in favour of the Friendly Socie-
ties Bill before the Howe.
EXHIBITION OF 1851.
Colonel SIBTHORP wished to ask the Learned At-
torney-General whether it was true that he had refused
to sanction an application for an injunction relative to
the erection of a minding in Hyde-park for the proposed
exhibition of 185 l ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was true.

Colonel SIBPHORP gave notice then that to-morrow
he would call the attention of the House to the subject.

TUSCANY AND SARDINIA.

Mr. B. COCHRANE wish?d to ask the Noble Lord
at the head of the Foreign Department a question,
which it would be necessary for him to explain. The
House was aware that certain demands had been made
by the British merchants residing at Leghorn on
the Tuscan Government, and, at the request of Sir
George Hamilton, the Tuscan Government wrote him
a communication, offering to refer the matter to the
arbitration of some great power. This commu-
cation Sir George Hamilton forwarded home, but, in the
meantime, a dispatch was sent out to Sir G. Hamilton
requesting him to intimate to the Tuscan Government
that her Majesty's Government were read to accept the
good offices of :Sardinia. Now the question he wished
to ask was whether the communication forwarded by
Sir G. Hamilton reached the Noble Lord before. he sent
out that dispatch?
Lord PALMERSTON said before the arrival of that
communication the representative of the Sardinian
Government proposed that the dispute should be referred
to the arbitration of that power, but he was informed
that her Majesty's Government could not consent to
refer the matter tote arbitration of any power, but
that they would willingly accept the good offices of Sar-
dinia. This offer was communicated in a dispatch to Sir
George Hamilton, together with the reply that had
been given to it ; but the Tuscan Government re-
fused to accept the good offices of Sardinia; but they
were willing to refer the matter to the arbitration of
Russia. The answer sent to that was that her Majesty's
Government could consent to the arbitration of no
power, and there the subject now rested.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said the point he wished to
have answered was whether or no the Noble Lord had
received the communication from Sir George Hamilton
before he forwarded the dispatch offering to accept the
good offices of Sardinia.
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Lord PALMERSTON said, when the offer was
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communication had not arrived.
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kwhetherlini
t intenlion of the Government
to go on with the Security
for Advances (Ireland) Bill this session,
and, if nc,t,
whether they intruded to introduce •
it again at an early
period of the next session ?
Lord J. RUSSELL 'mud there was so much o • pposi-
tion to the Bill, and so many amendments proposed,
that the Government did not think they would be able
to carry it this session, but they were aci fully convinced
of the advantages it would confer upon Ireland
generally that it was their intention next session to re•
introduce the Bill, or one nearly similar to it.

REVENUE OF WOODS- AND FORESTS.
Lord DUNCAN said it was his intention to postpone
his motion for the payment of the gross revenues of the
Woods and Forests into the Exchequer.
SAVINGS BANKS BILL.
Mr. SPOONER wished to know whether the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer intended to go on with this Bill
on Friday next.