The Sun.
London, England, 1850-10-16 00:00:00

THAMES.

THE CASE OF ROCINA HERBERT.—A lady, one of
several others, came forward yesterday to leave 1/. for
the sempstress Rosins Herbert.
Mr. YARDLEY—I do not know whether you have
seen to-day's papers, and perhaps you are not aware
that we have received a good deal too much on her
account already. The consequences of bestowing
donations so liberally on persons who have committed
offences may be very serious. If you take my advice,
you will bestow it upon some other object.
Lady—ln that case, as I have another application,
I will bestow it there.

In two or three other instances where money was
proffered, Mr. Yardley having made similar observa-
tions, the amount was ordered to be put to the general
poor fund.
An acknowledgment of the following donations has
been requested :—J. 8., 103. ; A. Y., 10s.; 11., 10s.;
C. M., ityde, ss. ; U. from " A Friend," who says,
" I agree with you (Mr. Ingham) that there can be
no pity for the pawnbrokers, and no consideration for
them induces me to trouble you with this ;" E. P. M.,
Newmarket, 21.; J. S., Ramsgate, 11.; A Lady from
Highbury, 105.; 53. from a Lady who has lately read
" Alton Locke ;" A Lady, 2s. ; C. A.S., 3s. Gd.; A
Lady, 3s. ; C. G., Brighten, 2s. 6d.; J. G., 2s. 6d. ;
S.D.S., 2s. Gd.; J. B. Everard, w ine and spirit merchant,
George-street, Bermondsey, )Is. ; E.M., Is. ; S., 1/. ;
H. M. P., 55.; A Reader, 51. ; E. M. L., ls.; Ano-
nymous, 6d. ; A., 155.; R. A., Gloucester, ls. Bd.;
Anonymous, 33. Gd., the writer commending Mr.
Ingham's Christian consideration ; W. H., half of a
51. note, No. 57,157, the other half to be sent on the
acknowledgment of the first.

LIVERPOOL PLATE ROBBERIES•

THIRD INVESTIGATION.

LIVERPOOL, TUESDAY.—According to the adjourn-
ment made on this day week, another investigation of
these charges took place to-day. From the various
statements and disclosures which have been made
during the past week, the public anxiety to be pre-
sent at this investigation was very great, and long
before the hour appointed for opening the court there
was a large number of persons present; and it was
with the utmost difficulty that the legal gentlemen,
or the reporters, of whom there was a pretty strong
muster, could obtain seats. _ _ _

At five minutes to eleven o'clock a cab drove up,
containing the prisoners Sirrell, M'Auley, and
IVPGuire. They were immediately put into the dock
in chiage of an officer of the county police, and one of
the turnkys of Kirkdale. They did not appear the
least altered. Sirrell had a small carpet-bag, which
he carried into the dock with him. Both M'Auley
and M‘Guire wore travelling caps,
Soon after eleven o'clock the magistrates began to
take their sects on the bench. There were present
J. A. Harden, Esq., chairman; J. B. Yeats. David
Hodgson, J. B. Moore, J. T. Bourne, R. Theak-
stone, J. B. Barclay, J. A. Tinne, and J. Rosson,
Esqrs.
The prisoners were defended by the same legal
gentlemen as appeared for them on the last examina-
tion—namely, Mr. Lewis, solicitor, London, for Mr.
Sirrell ; and Mr. Simon, barrister, for M'Auley and
M'Guire. Mr. Dowling- prosecuted. _ .

The proceedings to-day were commenced by read
ing over the depositions taken before the magistrates
on this day week.
John Lund sworn—ls an inspector of the detective
police in London. Remembers the 2d of October.
‘Vent on that day to the corner of Barbican, Lenge-
lane, No. 5-1, occupied by the prisoner Sirrell. I
there saw a person whom I knew to be in the em-
ploy of the London and North-Western Railway enter
the shop of 54, with two parcels under his arm and a
book in his hand. Followed in immediately behind
him. Sirrell was standing near the counter when we
entered. The porter placed the two parcels in Mr.
Sirrell's hands. Mr. Sirrell, on looking at them,
handed them over to a person whom he culled Jobe,
behind the counter, at the same time telling him to
pay two shillings on one of the parcels—the smaller
and the lightest one of the two. The delivery book
was then handed by the porter for Mr. Sirrell to
sign. Mr. Sirrell then handed it over to John to sign
for the delivery. He did so, and handed over the
book, with two shillings, to the porter. The porter then
left the shop, and John then placed the two parcels at
the side of the desk on the counter. At that moment
the officer, Kehoe, from Liverpool, with Sergeants
Witcher and Shaw, of the London detectives, entered
the shop. I immediately bent over the counter and
took possession of the two parcels, and pointed out to
Kehoe where Mr. Sirrell had gone to, which I after-
wards found to be the counting-house. Followed
after them with the two parcels, and said to Sirrell,
" You must be present when I open these." Was
then in the counting-house. Sirrell said, "No, no,
one of my young men will do. I will have nothing
to do with it." At that time we had walked from
the counting-house to the other shop, which I be-
lieve is in a line with the counting-house. It is not
the shop by which we entered. Placed the two
parcels on the counter and commenced undoing them,
when Sirrell immediately left and walked back to the
countinghouse. I then called out and said I must
insist upon his being present when these parcels were
being opened. The officer Kehoe then went and
brought him back to the counter. I then opened the
parcels. Sirrell, Kehoe, and Sergeant Shaw, of the
London detective police, were present, and there might
have been one of the shopmen present. Gave the
parcels over to the officer Kehoe. Saw the parcels.
They were plate. One parcel was in a tin canister,
wrapped in paper. After I had opened the parcels I
said to Sirrell, "Have you any letter from Liverpool
this morning ?"
Mr. Simon here said that he objected to such evi-
dence as regards M'Auley.
The CouaT—lt is no evidence against M'Auley of
Course.
Witness—Mr. Sirrell stepped back three or four
paces, made no reply, but brought a letter which wit-
ness afterwards handed over to Kehoe. The letter
was handed to witness, which he identified. Asked
Sirrell if he knew the person who wrote the letter.
He replied that he thought not ; hut that he had had
2.0 transactions with him. Witness then conveyed
him to the King-street Police-station, Westminster.
The letter was open when he saw it.
Cross-examined by Mr. Simon—Was not five miles
from John. Sirrell handed the parcels to John.
Cross-examined by Mr. Levois—Kehoe had not the
opportunity of hearing all that he did. Kehoe could
not see what took place in the shop before he entered.
Cannot say what Kehee said when he went into the
counting-house. Did not follow in immediately.
Was not close enough to hear what passed. The letter
was handed to witness without hesitation. The par-
cel was opened by witness. Before the parcel was
opened, can t say whether I told him under what cir-
cumstances I took possession. He said he would call
the police in. The place of business is extensive,
and contains a large amount of property. Witcher
had not the same opportunity of seeing what passed as
witness had.

Llewellyn Roberts—Resides in Everton, near Li-
verpool. Is a mercantile clerk. Has known the pri-
soner 3,1`.,\ uley for 20 years or more. Has seen him
write frequently, but not for 12 years. Identifies the
writing as that of M'Auley.
Cross-examined by Mr. Simon—Has a good me-
mory. _ _ _

Cioss.examined by Mr. Lewis—Has seen jewellery
in his shop in Bassett-street, but knows nothing of '
his dealing in. plate.
C. I(ehoe recalled (sworn)—Has some letters in
his possession which he got in Sirrell's counting-
house, which he took off a file while Sirrell was
present. -
Cross-examined—Cannot say whether they were in
the same state as they now appear.
To Mr. Dowling—Removed the letters before he
left the counting-house, and in presence of the
prisoner.
Mr. Roberts recalled, with the view of proving the
handwriting contained in the number of letters now
produced.
Mr. Simon objected to their admission as affect-
ing the case of his client M'Auley, as their contents
had no reference to the charge now under investi-
gation.
The Chairman could no say so until he had exa-
mined the letters.
Mr. Lewis was most anxious to lay before the
Court every item of evidence both for and against
his client.
The whole of the letters were read by the clerk of
the magistrates. One of them contained the follow-
ing in reference to Californian gold, of which the
following is a copy :
" No. 4, Hope, St. Jude's, Liverpool, Aug. 21.
" Mr. Sirrell,
" Sir,—l have forwarded some silver, about 38 cz ,
also some uncertain gold, which you will please to
remit for as usual. I now wish to draw your atten-
tion to the enclosed 2oz. of Californian gold. It is a
part of a large quantity which a friend of mine has
brought with him to this port. He wishes me to have
it assayed and the value ascertained ; please do so.
Remit the value and a separate invoice. I imagine
the party is trying for the best market, and please say
if quantity is un object to you.—Yours respectfully,
" Wm. M'AULEY.
" The bank post bill came safe to hand."
Mr. George Slee—ls a clerk in the money order
office iu Liverpool. Produces a number of money -
orders, six in all. They are orders sent from London
to Lis erpool, and paid by witness at different (let( s.
Recollects seeing the prisoner M'Auley. Cannot say
where. His face is familiar to witness.

The witness Roberts recalled—He said he believed
the signature to the post-office orders were in the
handwriting of M`Auley.
Mr. Sloe's examination was resumed—He marks the
orders as paid. The dates of the orders are three of
the Bth of August, one of the 22d of August, and ts°
cf the 13th of September.
Cross-examined by Mr. Lewis—Has no post-OM°
order for 4/. 7s. 81 on the 30;11 of August; nor noY
order for 2/. 13s. 11d. on the 221 of August; nor ail
for 61. Os. 9d. on the 18th of July.
Mr. Dowling—This closed his case, and be noll
asked for a committal.
Mr. Dowling then proceeded with another charge
against the prisoner Sirrell, for receiving stolen good 6
a table spoon, knowing it to be stolen. a
Mr. Dowling stated the case, from which it appeared
that a robbery took place at the residence of the BO:
Mr. Gardner Stanley on the 27th of July, from whio°
a quantity of plate was stolen, and out of which was ?
certain silver spoon, which %%as found in Mr. Sirrell6
possession.
Mr. Lewis objected to the case going on, unless
Mr. Dowling would first state upon what grounds bce
intended to connect Mr. Sirrell with the robbery, and
having a guilty knowledge thereof.
Thu Court briefly consulted, and ordered Mr'
Dowling to proceed.
William K. Karr—ls servant to the Rev. Mr'
Gardner, who resides at Stanley Parsonage. Remora'
bers the _l7th of July last. At a quarter-past One
in
the afternoon placed some plate on the dining-roorl
table. The bottom part of the window was shut 01
the top part open. Was not more than two minutes
out of the room, bat did not miss till half•past o°l
two table and one gravy spoon. The bottom part
the window was open, when, missing the spoons'
told his master. Has not seen the spoons since that
time.
The Rev. Thomas Gardner sworn—Resides at
Stanley, West Derby, in this county. Remember°
the 17th of July last. Did not see the plats that dal
until he sat down to dinner. Has seen part of it if,
the hands of officer Kehoe. a gravy spoon. It
broken in two, and marked S. H., with an initial.
Spoon produced and identified by the witnesses.
To Mr. Lewis—ls not acquainted with foreiga
silver. Cannot see the British lion on the spoon pro'
duced.
Officer Kehoe found the spoon produced in tll3
prisoner's shop at Barbican on the 2,1 of October.
Cross-examined by Mr. Lewis—Does not koll,
foreign silver from British. Cannot tell bow manyspoons were there; there might be 300 with crest
and marks obliterated.
Mr. Simon addressed the Court on behalf 0f
M'Auley, and Mr. Lewis on behalf of the prisoner
Sirrell.
The Bench at once intimated that it was of opini°l;
that there was` i sufficient evidence to send the Cas
fur trial elsewhere.
Mr. Lewis applied that his client should be nrii
mitted to bail, as did Mr. Simon, on the part °
MCAuley, but the bench declined doing so.
Mr. Simon applied to the Court to have a watch ea
some other articles, taken from his client, MeAnleY'
by the police. The application was refused.
M'Auley was then committed, and Sirrell r°'
mended to Friday next.
Afcer the county magistrates retired, Mr. Be
Harvey took his seat on the bench, for the plirlrs,i
of hearing and determining upon the case again'
M`Guire and Sirrell, but on the application of .1'
Dowling, the case was remanded to Thursday fore
noon, notwithstanding that Mr. Lewis pressed bafi
for a formal conunital, so that he might apply for WI
before the judge in chambers.