The Sun.
London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

as the°'
rich expressed wishes. They were going `
ai) e •
Cape et Ca:eel Heim aces: üble ehamb,•r anti
.aid Is!
Aust,iieell that lied bet,,_. d chits
,alh;2f-t in el at .flotee, te go out to esiisirtb,rolh.gluier
eelhrted, end the Pease alat?.l
jn
d. The le sit Feint eas as to teirdsc
ve;es meal the epeitoes of rue colonists "eh
'w S'11:11 Waltet ee, wes a populaioe, two'.re. By del
ev ioe erre about to tie affect d this rn"jUri extrOpell
iip, of t meature they ttiVulci eet:t'i,,t,hoiders
ire tree! freechhe. Tt ey would eth,u, have a Pcti:Cf
stteasnoichas, reel by rest re
Poble eirs
of 201. a year thee would exclude a but had
II!
em:; rants eh() bad seithel in the earthy.
bee:: in it long ell!)LIF,d1 to acquire a, 1
qu4
icionvict populi,
ei rho p:-euliar pi-edominaneo of toe
ao,hhiit warla_
clan in those eoloutes, rhe propheed tiihdirt__!: a, nb_
give tie in a still erreater prepoed,e
jection teat could best be obvisee
.e.1).0 7.00,11 De.,
the leaseholder and stockholder to th
ww e 'ha takeife.
if this were right on abstract princiele9.,
did Gra eminent hesitate to adopt ? It wt's not
_ the repe%,
ewe ble to the colonies, for it had beea
shoela bie
prayer of the colonists that the franchiseof resPect4 re
lowered se as to admit the general holy wbat we e
labourers, mechanics, and stockholders. weed 0!
Government going to do by the Bill ?he bad pointeata
adopting the wise and wishrd_ror course he
with
out, they were going to give by their Bel fictte
he
legislative councils, prospectively, of dealing,ereatot Let
franchise, and to refuse such power to to P.l, pieSei,
gislative Council. The convict interert was wool!.
strong in New South Wales; but by this
„,„07,
b. stronger. When that interest was.Fnleverhol,te
tively strong in the Legislative Counent4_.l with aa
were about to deny them the over to e.et7llo,,er Pe.
franchise; but when that interest be came sir,
ereialslll:
thee proposed to give that power to the
an vg ofOEl,
Council. He was afraid Government were fih n.uraby
the franchise hy their Bill to an,, hesrel
the very worst kind.—(Loud cries of Ile' senate
respect ,o 0
The conduct of Government in this f see _
to be totally oppmel to all principles
eer to erst,
and analogy. They were giving a 11.n', they /Ird
Diemen 's Land and South Australia which
rat
es,
wally took away from Port Phillip. The te(o_ooiicste,
no representative council ; they had onier.l,l ©ode
parties, and yet that anomalous and absure_t: If A;
proceeding had been adopted by Goveriallaa,
had not amply shown the absurdity of the
he es fade
bare recital of the facts, he should consider hel' coaenV,
to establish his case. He asked the House totheir O;
nicate first with toe colonies before they ga/eend to Sc
sanction to the Bill. It was because he wish aces/
the union between our colonies and the motherconce,vel
esteblishrd on the surest basis, because he
_aeress°
that the Bill would act mischievously on the pr,i;., eats'
the colonies, and because it was opposed t?..llitarldie,
blishceent of the good feeling and good annelids, lb%
he wished to see cultivated, and on other groeil,.o,
he begged to ask the House to delay their d t'
was impossible to refuse to New South \Vides le, Cr_e
largement cf the franchise to which the colon!'
."01a0flise,
titled. It was also, their duty to offer to thoovuld oat
such a form of con ititution us would be, he .0
setae;
say permanent and final, but which would linwboteel.
thing in it of the character of permanence. "over
Ci
might be the rights, or the privileges, or ao Protested
Parliament of controlling the colonies, he Poison'
against the continuance of any control byHe eat s.
over their management or their local concerns.
0,00
be to
ceuvinced that such a system only entailed En
~1d
expense on the country—that to continue it w°sa. sot I;
risk a responsibility which he would not acorns lie
had a already produced such a state of things
of 10:
obliged Parliament to adopt the painful nec,'s,ll_Yra 03116..1
ter- erieg ; that ins o interfering Parliament wetce
compelled to act iinconsistently, or by .siaacs°
f
neutral policy to in tike themselves accomplice, subs Din'
dishonesty; where-as by giving to the colonies 'o;
eseeinent of then. local affairs, they would best o cof th
the di( tees of prudence, mainfahr the honour d plat.°
Crown, secure the aff,ctions cf the colonies, all attire°
the colonies in that position which every good
1101
would elesile to sett them occupy.—(Cheers.) he
Mr. IZOEBUCIi: seconded the ameridnieott Of he
r
wouid in a great measure divest this coutl'llo3, 1111-or
poecr over the colony. It appeared to t 8
• to e
all our experience in colonial legislation,l)9st,
Govetnrutrit fad learned nothing from tir
bps
What ought the history of the colonies 111 so
taught thew? That between the mother coon eatne
the colonies there must be disputes as to the rr°„'
power o( each. Bue had the Government made anal 17th°
vision for such cascis? No such thing. -Mint
Noble Lord at the head of the colonies done? ofoo
pointed a Commission to advise the Crown, an 1°
the advice cf that Commission he acted with regl:4oo
South Africa and Australia. He believed the eiser
Lord wished to be generous, but he had show%d ,
of courage in dealieg with the principles be 1,t0r1,,h9
down.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to New be°
would ask, was there ever sent out a body of olevereil
worthy of being entrusted with the power of goys
themselves. They requested the privilege of g° (3, ti°
themselves, and Eael Grey acceded to the demanthesei
a Bill was brought in to carry out the wishes 0f ;ape,
lonics; but an unwoethy fear of his countrymen t'ioser
the Noble Lord to act contrary to the Act of Par"Agoll'
How did the Noble Earl deal with South Africa? off
shrinking from responsibility, he went to the ore
Council, and instructions founded on their repott re'
sent out, requiring the then governing boil! r° sir'
pate a constitution; and by this kind nf
japOir
cumbendibus the Noble Lord again escaped the r`fct t°
sibility. What did the Noale Lord do with reliant,
Australia? Still acting upon the suggestion of the tie;
Council, he threw t: to responsibility upon certain di.;
there, without attet opting himself to solve any °l3-00°.
deulty. The Noblo Lord did not deserve the on bat's
a legislator. However good his intentions might
been, he quailed wider the difficulties before him' t„,§V
Noble Lord had shirked his duty, evaded his trlisooh
dieeted his power, and thrown on others the re6Pifel
bility which his position entailed upon hill:1°001i'
(Cheers.) This wits what Earl Grey had done• get)
the Acts ever passed he (Mr. Roebuck) had never sod
a more lame, imps tent, disjointed, unsymnsetipese'
incomplete measuaa than the one now before the oil
—(Hear.) In thii first place there was a coo
between the mother country and the colooleactli"
th!s Bill point cut where the power of the and be'
country ended, and where that of the colony w°lloer"
gin ? No line whritever was'dravvit. All was shad 1101
out, vague, and in definite. And what were tie/flies°,
about to do ? Tbuy were about to give the 0'11; tie
constant cause of dissension. All the difficult,/
arisen out of the constitution of the first chamber. igite
Noble Lord acknowledged two chambers to be regatiat ‘1!
But how did be avoid the difficuluy? Mark his "Phi-ebb'
courage—his want of daring— the mariner in //'"beci
threw off his responsibility. The Noble Lord WlO,
did
second chamber to be chosen by the people; but„eviit
not dare the respo osibility of proposing it, but
or s
on the chamber itself. Was that the fitting course
Colonial Minister to tt,lre?—(Hear, hear.) lie yen'
siolered the proposieion for a tederal assernhlY einerclj.
wise one, and thou g4ht the chance of uniting the rB,
in one general assembly ought to be taken advitotn."4oP
He charged the Government with incapacity in brir-te
forward such a disjointed, broken, incomplete. °-„ the
e fficieat measure, which could not fail to infitienassi;
future destiny of a mighty empire. Posterity of° 0'
on looking at that great people, that their existerlce'
eg to toe individual perseverance and power Eir oft
lishmen standief: alone, unaided, unassisted--hica
thwarted by the Ceavernment of the country to
they belonged.—(Cheers.) fthe
Mr. HAWES aid the effect of the proposition nhoule
Right Hon. Geutl sman was this—that the Howe
Bilis
proceed no further. viith this measure, but that the to.
with all the einem Imehts which had been adopted iegie
jetted, should be itransmitted to the governors, the twin
tutors, and the people of four colonies, to be quitter;
considered, in ordi it that some satisfactory. legl' 09/
might afterwards take place. Now lie (Mt. '16.110'
Bight
thought it would be much better for tbe„.ll°
Gentleman at one eto move that the third reatliAlt.'
postponed for three months. The Right Hon. ne
man seamed to hirre abandoned the principle "1,4-000'
before prolessed. When the Bill was first ilatr,°"np
the Right Hon. entletnan said that he approved Bill
principles. And ivhat were those principles? of/1
did not 'propose to surrender the power a the,' ;flaw
over the colonies, iaor did it propose to separate -r-4"7,
from the colonies. But the Right Hon. Gentlenl'iaase
peered ready to a! iandon our colonial empire, ah,dhrecoW
Parliament from Till re iponsibility connected with
nial legislation.

Mr.-GLADSTONE—LocaI lekislation. ty
Mr. HAWES. -The Hon. and Learned
said that Earl Grey bad abandoned his duty hi a-Itioo'
these colonies tho power to amend their constittinor
Now he (Mr. Ha eves) apprehended that such a Ph-00°
was more likely to prevent collision between the w,
Government anal the colonies than any other that" 'jrP
be adopted. Ths:u power was now freely and for We 000
time conceded t 3 the colony.—(Hear, hear.) 14")/%001::
the Bill desired by the colonists or not? He under; be
the Right Hon. Gentleman to say that no apPortt tb:
been given of this measure by the colonists.
But
gi eat meeting at Adelaide they resolved " that,t,"„i 0;
Id before Bali) /went, so far as relates to the ocd°,:i the
South Australia, meets the wishes and want!;rfo°
colony in most rof its essential provisions, and oe'„-9118
to be regarded as a wi,e, liberal, and aaraprehlenotO
measure."—(Het tr, hear.) It was said that the °t% the
i
did not approve crf this Bill. But if they did not r•riag
single chamber, ley would have te poer 0
it, and couvertin ; it into a double chawmber.----C 00;
The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think ther.
-eegd As
to
& some sire on the part of Earl Grey to exerel
undue power ()rcrr the colonies, and that he Wish ate
narrow and forte r their power. Now nothing W 55 6Gen:
founded in fact. If he understood the Right Hawn,,AP
'know), ho would give up the veto of the Crown
qu.stions.

Mr. GLADST ONE—On local questions. r
Mr. lIA'WES--Yes, but what were local iliine'V°o•4
Was the Rebellion Losses Bill a local questioar
land questions Imperial e-r
or local? We revenue ‘2lll, to
tions Imperial or local? It was impossible to drclieretl
satis'actory line in that respect. And be "ell, tti4
the constitution 'of a legal charabti. at hone tbse
than t
deision cf suchquestiot7s more objectionable A decisionths-
of the Secretary of State. He maiutaine" 'O5
vvl
this Bill would be accepted by the colonists shs wale°
and liberal measure. The people of New South priO:
had had the Bill it4tre them and approved cf
cipleL of a single chamber. The people of Van "L'oeillir 1:3P0-
and had also at rt great public meeting given
proval of its principle. In a petition of the
of Pert Philip, they prayed for a Constizati°ni: tc)
to that of New South Wales or, in other vverfd ;or
that provided for by this Bill. 'The reeling in tts
arllrd
iv-,8 unanimous, mid yet the Honourable and .L.",-1.0:P•
'Wernher for Sbetßeld
with more eloquence ' than
had described its, provisinns so monstrous that
r, re'
would join the Ri4:nt Hon. Gentleman opposit' Loa
listing its further progress. He could not cinders
sod
the principle of agrtement between the Rea' able
Learned Member fur Surffield and the Right 11"°