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the piti,,NATION
AL MONUMENTS.
"(tile ..uiE Said he had given notice of a motion 0,11.1
(11.48
tldtte that the Sp;-aker leave the chair, for. auta..
~, 41°Ptetl thee Aleie4ty, praying that measures Lula.°
.b,
kd it e ensure the ouhlie free admission to St. Pat.! s
4ilY.slll°ll.laents, andi he Wished to take this oppo.rtu;
lterk .ftliading the Liouie, that on the accessloo ofa
liclin"tY he had presented a petition agreed to at.. 111)gi 11--"Yrig and signed by 600 artists and men dis•-
1'4,4 eti‘.la science, praying for free admission, to
Member
hilttludokhni that occasion the Noble Lord the Item,
'lin -' at
was at the time Secretary for the Home
/at), tl4ot, addressed a letter, by direction of her Ma-
bake'° the Il.lan and Chapter of St. Paul's, and to the
ef W 11'
IttSdi e wellington, Governor of the Tower, -
teilai! that gretter facilities should be given for the
Pkaijoe ill of the public to those place. He had no le-
osee o,ll,,taYing that what hail been done in con:w-
ilts „ the recommendation of the Noble Lord had
Illeprreductive of much benefit and imrovement to
114 e°l4 of tho me tropo:is.-(lleur, hear.) Colonel.
tau La 6 the hoarr.f the police, bad stated iu evidenc,e,
ii,l44lllblPpeeable and er3erly manner in which crowds
- th ' - °Kettle* (if late ye ors was to be attributed
sd,4i4:l
togtfaitin which th-y- L'a 1 ted,rgone by a f',, e
114
°4
Public laces and buitlirtg',that
kes,tre Police t,tcersPwould do more in a crowd. to
/sill, tile Peace, than twenty would have done a few
kith toga, nis owa opinion was in entire concurrence
httfeheci" of Cilouel 'tows,' on the subject. He had
4 heed Iv'th con,iderablo int,rest th 9 thou ;ands whom
ieltl trasey": al
,11.11ipton o..iurt, and had be,ngra.,tified.
QIN& I,„'n watch they enjoyed and conducted Lnew
oteyer"fe Consmittoa haain,a; strongly recommendedle
te,,°,stry lc,. a,ellity should be given throughout Cie itsr
;44; 1-: the admission of the people to public t-
li,4slt'„e was sorry to find thst in some cases the
.41. Se 'Petition had been male to the recommenda-
rotatcterat catkiedrsls had been opened with the
SOS of th adrsutlge to the public. Westminster as
t'tser, eel, and the present Dean deserved the thanks
,he itLlettefors the steps he had taken. True there
'tit hall till. demanded fot. visits,. to.st the es
n tail e chapels.d
hitike;,4llld net ritto 'Nose. ,r OhJeCt to that, es sut.h 1 ii
1, aha ino contrast between Westminster and St.
uti,tOl'sd .thost disgraceful If the went to St.
. ant),,, . •
t,:eo oh, 6 service, the moment it was over they were
people
~:ivist,'ee'' and
if they went at a time thereet wasan
hoeibitioh....' they Were required to
14 of then,' eat) Consideriug that tphaeygraesater por-
k Publi -"untlthents in St. Paul's had been erected
_at
°tie eeest it tot h.o there ~ , was disgraceful that the public could
lote'°llo. witoout paying money.-(Hear.) 1 as
the pe-ople coo •
1 I not see Nelson's
k,,i)
_iitlZuts,, bat
All that
So eq ae Paying to see it?-(Hear, hear.)
011 narrow • •
1.4. scori e,_ . a spirit that he hoped the system
Ole th...`"4Be in all Our cathedrals,. If ever he. should
ht 0o
bve4PlNiintment of another Committee, it should
Ish.llo heed" this subjeot; but he trusted there would
ience
f„,:tellth4,,, 1,0 another Committee. The en"' r h
4 .'ililtet. 'fad had warranted them in giving fort er
1411:'-iotitis-h blase y, who was oneof
to
ohe thetr ufsrtecee sa
do
-f
4thett Of the haz.), at first was opposed
ha, result ettettc, because he thought injury would
th Ate ' at Much to his credit he had the candour ttlt4 1,004'0 rn the relaxation had been made, that no less
k "la Pe se
had r, d through the Museum on
(41°S / Mond passed
,11e4ttif „. aY, and that without damage to the
Itet,heo.rPeoce being dono to any one thing.7l
;kb ery r, lie was snxious that Government shoo!
'iteli tt'llol..P°llUnity of urging the question on those
, tq , wore ~:,, ..
!IL . ,14,,,, ail reluctant to concede admission.
ls, 41011. i:: agreed in the general optnion.
,
exp., mated
of "ibis • 'nealher• that it was most desirable ,
4 ilktiOn 1'4413110W l'
laths
sal into -‘- be graved to the public to objects
4r i'len e4t. On receiving the return moved fur
"stem"4lf k Meat'l,,,,ber for blontrose from the present
S.. "111, he stated that he sent the return
e
!o,e,t,tipiZeet furnished by the verger, who was th
kt Iti to CC' °f the tees, and added that he had endea-
kst,ultlim4ee the matter cn a more s stisfaetory foot-
,N'll.,°:eabtei
~ had been prevented doing so by the
Ite,e,ola„ ec,(l by the Ecel:siastcal Commission o.ver.
tpAse mi. kin receiving that communication. he. had
4,tetalaid beset of the Ecclesiastical Commission to
i4ltiti ti4le;vo informed that the matter had f_. _ .
Ad had . under their consideration, but that difii
111 4to ~ aritif,n fr • • re pared with
%tt), th ern their not being p
tilt taifQ„Ltig freely erger. The public had a real grievance
"tit 'loei .`"Y admitted t, Sr.aul's, and he hoped
ltitlyZe?,,olunication with ;he Dean would end in
Ti 4of that ante.-([sear.)
4 14
41144,,04,4
t,
SUPPLY.
tAo till th 411 Went into Committe of Supply, Mr.
11 4 t.,, e ellair.
NC' htl, the lieu
~, al N0t,,,, se of Industry, Dublin..
ti,t1.14. ',aotr,i„L' complained that this vote had been
`tt411g101), ;,".standing the agreement, at th? time
i.qt n,.. '44 all such grants should remain un-
Nte\ot()Q A
fill '4%e 'll also said a few words against the re-
ilq efikker,,,aef.
e.iPvotadlk'ELLOß of the EXCHEQUER said. I,lltll:.Qe‘at`i'sr►his testimony to the constituents of
;tlO IlistoSt.,.:Tea that they had done what they
IN, i°3' iter; the
vote. lie could not, however, con-
ClP,lto°,thel, 'e of it.-Agreed to.
Flitl,7t4Ontle Orphan Hospital, Dublin.
tllikitile4, for tae objected to the vote on the ground
tb.l'is) ;'• e 81IPPOtt of an institution exclusively
i'll baC4k\lfl.
kythil kl ties!, of the - not
''' ilt
h ' -ELLoR EXCHEQUER said
il
.4411 iitti i'•• Made for many years and could
11441.1A:01st once. He hoped that it would be
ArPte'llAkt, '"d that no more children would be
8,1 to 4 VrO\T
r' 14a-* word' supported the vote.
liil%httt je.h)-I,4„feutta Mr. lIUME,
11.1° nio, _l-13 . WOUiti not move the rejection of
4 ,t4ztt children were to be admitted.
;44(0404 'LLOR of the EXCHEQUER cooled
,„Isk, 4eee that no more childreu would h
lo14?-:).44 4)
4, r the I,lr
d
, 4trlt. fet n , eitraoreland Lack Hospital.-Agreed
'llty.,lO ti .
ttlE,,tits(),`.(NOLl)g-in hospital, Dublin. Agree
iiiit:itiqu this ._4o,bjected t) the reduction which had
'i f the
„fim. Nall34..l4.ither votes as a vio
"O1,11.1„4,11,Itol/543
teimn: d been com.! to at the time of the
less -,.?Yeal,;-,,ted that the understanding was
11 Ltq,,411 iti,,',-,,kter the union. He trusted the vote
yyoot,„Noi:ger reduced.
(4,v-mieally i'4B thought' the Hon. Member was not
l,4tit's'istit,4leline A hell Scotland WAS concerned.
viti. htNery Etrg° he had voted 25,0001. for the erec-
tOltb,a_t,,op, art in Edinburgh.--(thar.)
iterNort Tae vote has not yet been taken.
11 tie to `4l)-8---
i,41 4, fl vote that At least the HOB. Member had
M-Klllllitie, araOunt.-(Hear, hear.) When
othnrlt -"I'll had
pie-
-BOf 83 topathy fir inanimate.
lat. lc% art, he
ought to have
th '1;10 'i to h. ite.Yh Id '% ' - • some also to
Lc'.,':)l:. qk‘til..,sseit
tot! ,s, poor living countrywomen
"tlt "st "*)N *d •
,At, ht ~, sat ,it had been maintained by
4 ,t) 1111 'men at the Period of the union, that
th, the , ttst4„
'tttt,,, otraerit' Passed Ireland should hay.) a full
ttl'h:votetlfarei,2l the rources of this country, not
64,41114 hi then' but ofduty
111,i"Ot fil 1,350°1. egr.ed to. ripi Iv 100,it was then voted in aid of the funds
Atht‘litu4l 44.rf,41,,bi1101in,
millef4 ie,-e" to for the support of the Fever
ii,tol th '4O/. ;::3 of
tßpcovery, Cot ik-street., Dublin.
i 'lll o s 4„ eu for the hospital for incurables.
t'l„llit,loPcit• '\*lUNit 'DONUAL
Atetttotttil2l:l that a aura not exceeding 37,6981.
lit, '0 the Protestant Dissenting ministers
ila x.tll ~t 4141,
L,tt.,4l',.jj.giloi, ,4steosoeft? c!ll the attention. of the C-om-
treq,ri't of 0104 , rresbyterian clergyman the
th,ilt i;goktc,l°arteri hie', county Tipperary. The rev.
10e‘to, , 184,. Y. stipend had been regularly paid
lAthiNOttr, 1;..1?ut the next instalment, in October
'epOtti.itl• Th:o,been stopped, and no sufficient
tf het tbto tl Ist • t-lonourable Member went at some
sleet 'o4 ails of th
polioOt tivQ, once . e case, and referred to a
I, C th which had taken place upon the
Ilti a Etitl e Rev
t,i „ht,tope e. .1,,. • Gentleman and the authorities
Vit :Itl4r,rettire"e,Government said he lead not
iotp 1, Ckike Rao x,', AG attributed the fact of the de-
Vte, kille sity oftr• Dill's stipend from that period
ofd,gtor It Pertion in the Regium Doman
I,lt "soh,,aae ''') Nlatthe
Ole tlta.,..ded fan eh. , , vvs, who went by the sou-
it:re b:`'ioa 1, at h• Isle ena-(Laughter)-wbo had
Lithrettsr,"o4b -'5, office a considerable defaulter.
04'44-4 by -ell ernneht before the House on a
Illiiill)..thittal tae Itigthblt ?in. Ilember for Athlone (Mr.
,°ete yes alai aid said „en. Baronet the Secretary for
'of °0 •MI ergv lule matter was in the hands of
'o
iip o ly, et, ev %Oh ..,.
'kir '' tie the t4ey" "_ii. the General Assembly of Ire-
'Yiti4tl, 4" vt•qo,4htteate ;dad he would state what would
tleptv4tlth'te,i ince then it had been brought
G tit I tOa eto till Church in Ireland, assembled in
ta tl.a With Cert,iti . _
kictf iNt4 N bed kr repo, had been passed
ki4kota.
ti..i 44: sepal, regretting that any rims-
kt ,t 1)°,,,1 ext., 4 between himself and the
Oa.. blithe 'lllll rre4Sirtg
h'ltt r, h Qt,,, due t
,a hope
1"
e'
t '4l ltnna ° elm would be forthwith
itrtie 0 is thh . e,'t had been again communt-
too4,,4l illod 1 lfh;ll°Jact, and Mr. Redington had
ttOoth Alliti 'erti" when the rev.' gentleman
ttf "t te ' k °4° to sent
0% the (hi, P. b.,, the Castle his arrears..
l''fit. 'l, Niti etl by 1,.'11 considered that the form of
111 Is t its Pe r "n would the inte-
it% q 4v0,, Net, it'hYteri compromise
A Clid NnCt or 41 feelinn."
,nodY, and had declined to
til4ol4lth tOe4t
.A.lhr. bite C
)0I the' Presbyterian body
itl44 Is hthe 4 %Li naveBeiti.ira, and he regretted that
k• t 6 rtry,, esb !feria •incurred the unpopularity
ea De,, it soh
a bod _ .
_.,
:ttlitt; ih Pet m
4, )on account of the con
) ly iat rev i,,e useonded, and who WRS influ-
tt,,ke wet() hi oretid eof hostility towards Mr. Dill,
►,‘,445, tilt ' Pree es
seem d to e amiae too
II ?tit, sski aton eedinc.s ii e x. • ,
'Y fit eY; wil ''' • *1 would ask what han
")1 hi it, Otat at °f Mr Duncan Chisle'etn?
51.445te t0,)414 e0'11,„31.t0 itt thea..ivU,stice to.
ard;lVlr. Dill, who
t(littie'vtq,l,l4ll4.leg_itti„o iltaolliccorded to the rules laid
itt. c tttresb„re, there ~,, g a regular ehurch for
),liii`lllt it "Ett vti's`:rtlian farZg a.n authorised minister
Ol,ll' \;ta•t4,;l.lif
the,ad hot ~,...'
,oeing . resident in the
ltd"lt • klo ta
. titd L.J,v,,,. been sifted to the bet-
tiit oZtal,t'qltilW' r.vere•'ici" 'arl hoped a jUdt award
Nt (,fekot, ' xlirit lEEE
,_,,Fe.ntletnan.
talit 40, 4 (Mat,:d thro gl`t It seemed the Honour-
tli hv
mot tae wh w lota ease alto ether upon
of ,'" dstill, ? boa bven l t •lgclerk '
eii orrem, anon of
~ a L
.y a
ill ete e ad °llse 4roder,"
~.__ the Regiu.at Donum.
kNttab.tl4etm be,„ ',Y one eelliurn that subject on the
.ql:toere' .44 :tone h., old
4eo that everything in
NI, 1-, jalehd d• 'quirt,' "e whole sanction of the
uill llt ISN , W 0.9 no,
.• .
h. 1 1,4., ev,r 111 ef th . malting into the
t 4,1 ieot apt q bot
eo,. e funds
.entrusted to that
't yos peeningd 'aected
~
tk 414, u to. egret t,. one by ~, wit the affair ot
tie' 4,,,ietie b'rell up by the *073 Povernwent, and he
iiiiN'ttetaill e,tightt,?• such ,e: el the House should
p. eve tim ..e (mew 'sic% When the Member
%te I 1 ty (4, Eit,,,ed ton before th I
kep, ttet4 ger il,
~ thSt wb e louse he (Sir
"144 loil,()'°Yteriah ,en Mr. Dill chose t i
a tint be paid %JergYnaan in Ireland
'ti eapeet to.o thought the Go-
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such information as it deemed important. The provin-
cial synod had recommended Mr. Dill to comply with the
requisition of Government. There were 483 Presbe ter a.:
clergymen in Ireland, and of these 482 complied anti
tie Government r. q'lisition ; and until Mr. Dill thought
fit to do so also, the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland had de-
termined that his arrears should not be paid.
Mr. OSBORNE thought it was a gratifying feature
in that discussion to see the Roman Catholic Member
for Tipperary advocating the cause of the Presbyterian
minister. He could bear testimony to the high worth
and respectability of the rev. gentleman alluded to, than
whom no one had done more to assuage religious differ-
ences and promote general Christian harmony.—(Hear.)
There was no doubt about the fact that Mr. Dill's first
stoppage of stipend was owing to the personal animosity
of that Mr. D. Chisle'em, who twenty years ago ha"
absconded from Inverness after a forgery, had then en-
listed in a foot regiment, from which he had been
diechareed, but whom they found shortly after snugly
placid in the Castle of Dublin in an office of great trust.
Ito could b, ar testimony to the high respectability of
Mr. Dill, and the disreputable character of Mr. Duncan
Chtsle'em, to whose animosity the former originaly
owel the withholding c f his just stipend. He was alio-
nished no reward hal been etlered for the apprehension
of llerat,hevvs, But there wan another and a more im-
portant question involved in that discussion. How long
wero they to continue that grant? How long acre
they to continue making two Church establishments in
Ireland?—(Hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS would move the rejection of that
vote altogether, as he was an advocate for the voluntary
system, and maintained that every religion ought to sup-
port its respective ministers. No man ought to be called
upon to pay the clergyman of a religion to which he did
not belong; but in Ireland 8,000,000 of people were re-
quired to vote no less than 1,000,000/. sterling to the
Protestant Episcopal religion, while not more than about
750,000 were in communion with the English Protestant
Church of Ireland. They ought neither to be called
upon to support a Protestant establishment nor a
Presbyterian one. He appealed to all Dissenters in
that House, in a spirit of justice, fair play, and
honesty, to vote with him for the rejection of that mo-
tion. He believed that were it not for the corrupting
influence of that grant of 37,000/. a year there would
not be a more independent body of men in any country
than the Presbyterian clergymen of Ireland. The
amount of the grant was divided among 500 of those
clergymen; and he opposed its continuance with a view
to dissolve the connexion between them and the Govern-
ment. He felt persuaded that if a stop were put to that
allowance they would no longer be spies on the one hand
or dictators on the other.
Mr. ANSTET supported the grant on the ground
that the Presbyterians of Ireland were themselves
anxious for its continuance.
Mr. SADLEIR said he believed that the abolition of
the grant would bring into connexion with the Pro-
testants and Roman Catholics of Ireland the Presbyte-
rians of that country, whose energies, patriotism, and
political independence was very much le-seined by an
allowance of that description. But he had risen prin-
cipally for the purpose of stating that he thought the
Rev. Mr. Dill was fairly entitled to the allowance which
he had claimed.
Mr. HUME said he wished to remind the Committee
that while it appeared that an average of only 401. was
raised by the 451 Presbyterian congregations in Ireland,
an average of 80/. would be divided among them by
means of that grant. He trusted the House would check
a grant which was going on increasing year by year.
With respect to the case of Mr. Dill, if the necessary
certificate was produced, there was nothing to prevent
the money being at once paid. Ina quarrel if this kind
about the loaves and fishes, if her alejesty's Govern-
meat would take his advice they would abolish the
grant altogether; and then the Presbyterians would soon
tied means to support their clergy without any extra-
neous aid.—(Hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT considered the grant was most objec-
tionable. The system was capable of unlimited ,expae-
rtion, for congregations might divide and sub. divide to
any extent, cad each division receive the benefit of the
grant on raising a certain sum themselves. Alter
the system had been so long in operation, perhaps, it
might be considered lather harsh to atop the grant
without the slightest notice. But he thougnt it might
be placed in process of extinction by an annual
reduction. It' the grant should be reduced by the
sum of 5,0001., the result would be that the congrega-
tions which now paid 35/. would have to pay 45/.• and
the Government grant would in such case be reduced
from 75/. to 651. By proceeding in this manner for a
few years the grant would be gradually extinguished,
and no perceptible increase would be felt in- the congre-
gational payment. It the Hon. Member for Dublin
would withdraw his motion, he (Mr. Bright) would pro-
pose that the vote be reduced by 5,000/.—(Hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS declined taking the advice of the
Hon. Member, but would make him this offer—that if
the Honourehle Member would divide with him, and
his motion should be lost, he would then divide with
the Hon. Member on his proposition. He, however,
thought it the better way to take the bull by the horns
at once.—(Laughter.)
Mr. S. CRA WFORD said the Presbyterians claimed
this grant on the ground of being required to pay for
the support of the Established Cnurch. Although he
thought the grant ought to be abolished, yet, consider-
ing that any immediate change might operate prejudi-
cially and harshly in certain cases, he trusted the Hon.
Member for Dublin would a cede to the motion of the
Hon. Member for Manchester for a gradual reduction of
the vote.--(Hear, hear.)
The Committse then divided. The numbers were—
For Mr. Bright's amendment ... ... 45
Against it 108
Majority --63
Mr. REYNOLDS said he would divide the Committee
against the vote.
The Committee divided,
For the vote
Against it ..„
Majority ..• •••
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote 6 700/., for charitable allowances charged
on the Coneordarnna Fund (Irelaud),
Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the vote be reduced by
the item of 2161, salary and allowances of the minister
and clerk of St. Matthew's Chapel, Hingsend, Dublin.
The Committee divided.
For the amendment ...
Against it ...
Majority ...
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were agreed to without discus
sion :-
20.700/. for the General Board of Health, Ireland, ard
2,346/. for the Central Board of Health, Dublin.
Oa the vote 13,352/. to defray the expenses of the En-
cumbered Estates Commission, Ireland,
Colonel SIBTHORP said—l move that the vote be
disallowed,
The CHAIRMAN—Does the Hon. and Gallant Mem-
ber mean to divide the House upon this vote?
Coltnel SlBTHOlSP—Certstnly.—(Laughter.)
Tee gallery secs then cleaeed for a division, but none
took place, the vote having been agreed to without u
divisieu.
The following votes were then agreed to:-
15,000/. for navigation in connexion with drainage in
Irelaed.
14 765/. for the British ambassador's house at Con-
stantinople.
I,COO/. for defraying the expense of the militia and
volunteers in Canada.
3,000/. for repariug the harbour at Lybater.
18,100/. to defray the expense of erecting light-houses
abroad.

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30:000!. for defraying the expense of a place as a ge-
neral repository for public records.
8,000/. for the law charges, salaries, allowances, and
expenses of the office of Solicitor to the Treasury.
3,5551. towards defraying the expense of prosecuting
offenders against the laws relating to coin.
7,700/. towards defraying the expenses of sheriff and
officers of the Court of Exchequer.
5,330/. fur the Commissioners of the Insolvent Debtors'
Court.
44,324/. for the law expenses of Sootland.
On 33,761/. for criminal prosecutions and other law
charges in Ireland being proposed,
Colonel DUNNE said, as an Irish Member, he felt
himself bound to protest against the treatment to which
his country was subject. These expenses ought to have
been placed on the Consolidated Fund.
_ _

Mr. C. LEWIS believed that if the balance was struck
between England and Ireland in respect to criminal
prosecutions, Ireland would be found not to be a loser.
The subject was settled in 1846 in England as to what
proportion should be borne by the rates and by the Con-
solidated Fund; but though no similar arrangement had
been made in Ireland, the half of the expense of the
constabulary was fixed on the Consolidated Fund, and
In land would be found, therefore, to have the best of
the bargain.

Colon—el DUNNE complained that convicts were kept
in gaol in Ireland after sentence, at tho expense of
the county in which the conviction took place, whereas,
properly speaking, they should be supported by the
country.
Mr. H. HERBERT Les° complained of the large
number of convicts in the gaols of Ireland. In his own
county there were 550 convicts in the gaol, which was
built to hold only 130. The condition of the gaols in
Ireland was so bad that Government should come fot-
brward with some remedy.
Mr. SADLEIR bore testimony to the disgraceful
state of the gaols in Ireland likewise. There was in
the south especially a most frightful mortality in the
workhouses and the prisons arising from their crowded
condition. Tie appealed to the Government to relieve
those prisoners in the gaols who were convicted of slight
offances.

Sir GEORGE GREY said there had been a anddem
and enormous increase in the number of convicts for
transportation in Ireland within the last two years.
The Govtroment had, however, made such arrange-
ments as would relieve the rates frotn their mainte-
nance until they were seri; off. They had provided
accommodation for 3,500 on Spike •Island, and else-
here. lle.(Sir George Grey) considered that there
was much reformation needed in the county prisons in

Ireland.
Mr. SADLEIR said, though the Government had
certainly made exertions in the matter, they had not
made them equal to the exigency.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote, 15,5001. to complete the sum necessary
to defray the expense of the metropolitan police force of
Dublin, was agreed to without discussion.
On the vote of 90,000/., to complete the sum necessary
to defray certain charges for criminal prosecutions, for-
merly paid out of the county rates,
Mr. V. SNII wished to know whether any steps
had been taken to promulgate a uniform scale of fees for
county prosecutions?
Sir G. GREY said he had obtained information from
all the counties and boroughs of England, with regard
to the scale of expenses charged for prosecutions, with

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the view of securing something like uniformity. lie
was surprised to find that the discrepancy in the viri9us
counties far exceeded anything that could be justiLd by
the laryier: circumstances of the counties.
Mr. lIENLIiX said they ought to take care in endea-
vouring to establish uniformity that they did not increase
the rate of these charges.
Mr. HUME objected to the vote every year, and
would continue to object to it. If the country paid these
expenses, they ought to have some check over them,
which at present was not the case.
Sir J. TROLLOPE complained of the inefficient
manner in which the duties of the inspectors of prisons
were discharged—they sanctioned the most extravagant
expenditure, and in some instances the prisons built were
found to be wholly inadequate to the accommodation of
the prisoners.
Mr. AGLIONBY referred the Committee to an amend-
ment in the Criminal Justice Bill, which he had sug-
gested, with regard to taking the pleas of prisoners in
cases of larceny and misdemeanor, for the first offence,
before the magistrates at petty sessions. The effect of
his amendment would be to save the country 40,00)/. or
50,000/. per annum.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the next vote, 7,550/. to complete the sum neces-
sary to defray the charge of inspection of the vurious
pthone,

Sir J. TROLLOPE mole,' that the salaries of the
iespectors, amounting to 2,1001, be omittel from
be vote.
Sir G. GREY vindicated the inspectors, whose labours
were extremely valuable to the country. At the same
thee, he must say that the Committee on prison disci-
pline had recommended that some change should be ef-
fected in the present system of inspection.
Mr. T. EGERTON hoped the inspectors would attend
to what the Rieht Hon. Gentleman had said.
Colonel SIBTHORP had visited several prisons, and
had never seen a set of more jolly, happy, well-fed, well-
clothed fellows than the convicts were. They were
much better fed, much better clothed, and much more
lively, he was sorry to say, than the agricultural labourers
of England were at present.—(Hear, and a laugh.)
There was too great a disposition on the part of the
public to sympathise with criminals. When men com-
mitted such crimes as the assassination of Mr. Drum-
mond, why they were under the influence of monomania.
He remembered hearing that on one occasion a jury ap-
plied to Chid Justice Hale, as a Christian, to extend
mercy to a criminal. The Chief Justice replied, "I
hope, as a Christian, that I am disposed to exercise
mercy, but there is a mercy due to the country. The
prisoner is a notorious scoundrel, and I shall hang him."
—(A laugh.) He (Colonel Sibthorp) thought that prin-
ciple might with great advantage be carried into effect
more extensively than it was at present. He wished to
ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department
whether he would be prepared with some additional
places of confinement when that exhibition of which they
had heard so much was opened in Hyde Park.—(Roars
of laughter.) Be hoped it would never take place, as
" there was many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip;" but
if they once had such a set of fellows let loose upon
them without law or without religion, the additional
force of 2.000 police that was spoken of would not be
enough. If they went on with that accursed free-trade
system, they might rely upon it more prisons and more
police would be required. They were going to inundate
the country with a set of fellows who, if they were not
lost on their way here, would be the greatest curse that
ever was inflicted on them.—(Hear, bear, and laughter.)
In answer to Mr. HUME,
Sir G. GREY said the expenses of the model prison
at Pentouville had been considerably reduced, and with
regard to the separate and silent system a report had
teen prepared, which would be laid cn the table before
Lhe House separated.
Alter some farther conversation,
Sir J. TROLLOPE withdrew his amendment, and
the vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 137,2241., to complete the sum neces-
sary to &fray the charge for Government prisons and
convict establishments at home,
Colonel DUNNE suggested that the vote be post-
poned; but after an explanation from Sir G. Grey, with-
drew his objection, and the vote was agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to:-
65,8481. to defray the charge for the maintenance of
prisoners in county prisons and lunatic asylums.
69,2301. for the transportation of prisoners.
100,1471. for convict establishments in the colonies.
The House then resumed.
GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL.
This Bill was read a third time, and additional clauses
were added.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
On the third reading of this Bill being moved,
Mr. TURNER said, as the Bill had been materially
altered since its first introduction, and as it bad never
yet undergone fell discussion, he should take the sense
of the House oa the question. The report which had
been presented to the House showed that the Bill pro-
posed to deal with 23,746 charities under 301. a year,
and 27,000 charities under 1001. a year. The report
stated that the Commissioners on investigation were of
opinion that much of the mal-administration ascertained
to exit in these charities had arisen from ignorance.
The Commissioners had been applied to in several in-
stances by trustees for advice, and the advice that bad
in consequence been given was productive of much
good. The Bill went in direct opposition to the recom-
mendations of the report. The Bill wished to place all
charities below 30/. under the jurisdiction of the county
courts, and all charities between 301. and 1001. under
the jurisdiction of the masters of the Court of Chan-
cery, at the same time doing away with appeals. The
provisions of the Bill, he was satisfied, instea'l of
di creasieg would very much increase litigation.
The Honourable and Learned Gentleman went
at considerable length into the objections
which ho entertained towards many of the provisions
of the Bill, the Bill itself he was satisfied being only cal-
culated to promote political and party objects. If the
Bill passed the House would find that the trustees of
charitable funds would become merely political parti-
sans. He admitted that charities had hitherto been
much abused and made to subserve party purposes; but
the Bill, if it became law, so far from curing existing
complaints, would very much augment and perpetuate
them. The alterations that had subs( quently been made
in the Bill he did not find at all met the objections. It
was perfectly clear that the Bill had not been properly
considered. It would involve endless litigation through
the absence of any restriction on applications to the
courts, and he should therefore venture to move that the
Bill be read that day six montns.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the report in
question did not contradict, but specially as isted the
objects of the Bill. The great object was to have
a tribunal to which questions connected with cha-
rities might be referred. Such a tribunal was the
county court. In the charities under 20/. the great
majority of cases related to ss. donations, or there-
abouts. It was essential in such cases there should
be a cheap tribunal to refer to, and the county
courts, in conformity with the recommendation of
the Commissioners, were to be resorted to. The At-
torney-General was an officer who had power to prevent
improper suits; and this would meet one of the objec-
tions raised by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Tnen,
with respect to the jurisdiction of the Masters in Chan-
cery—he did not think there would be that want of uni•
formity of decision because there were ten Masters of
Chancery, as was anticipated, even though there might
be no appeal from their decision. The Masters were
generally desirous of establishing uniformity of decision;
but if appeals were invited and cultivated, they would
destroy completely the value and object of the Bill. In
conclusion, he could only say that the Bill had been
brought in for no party purposes, but had been required
for a considerable length of time for the purpose of en-
abling overseers of the poor and persons having the ma-
nagement of petty charities all over the country to
administer them in a satisfactory manner, by placing
within their reach a tribunal to which they might have
recourse for advice and assistance in matters of difficulty,
and by affording them an easy mode of redress in cases
of breaches of trust, and giving the greatest possible
publicity to the accounts of the various small charities—
an object of the utmost importance both in his opinion
and that of the Commissioners, with the view of prevent-
ing breaches of trust for the future. On these grounds
he earnestly entreated the House to assent to the third
reading of the Bill.
Mr. GOULBURN (who rose amidst loud cries for
a division) said he would not occupy tho time of the
House more than a few. minutes. They had before
them the Bill of the Learned Attorney-General, and
they had the report of the Commiscioners appointed by
the Crown to examine the subject. The Bill was laid on
the table on the Ist of March, and the Commissioners
made their report on the 25th of June, and he presumed,
therefore, as they were undoubtedly gentlemen fully re-
solved to discharge the duty imposed on them, that they
must have considered the subject of charities with refe-
rence to the Bill now before the House. It was, never-
theless, remarkable that the Commissioners in the course
of their report made no allusion to the Bill, bat laid down
a system incompatible with it, as had been shown by his
Hon. Friend, particularly with respect to that part re-
lating to local tribunals; because they particularly pointed
out that if the local tribunals were to be resorted to for the
purpose they ought to be under the control of some office
or board, to prevent the abuses to which such tribunals
would be liable. The Hon and Learned Attorney-Gene-
ral had spoken of these charities as though they were
of small importance, but it must be remembered that
out of 28.000 charities 23,000 would come within
the jurisdiction of this Bill, and it was precisely
because they were of small amount that they would
be the more open to jobbing, because the public atten-
tion would not be so likely to be attracted to them as
to those involving accounts of 15,0001. or 20,0001. In
fact, the only ground on which the system was defended
was its cheapness. He objected, however, to place these
charities in the bands of the attorneys of the county
courts, whose practice must have led them to deal with
a totally different class of subjects. Without imputing
improper motives to the county court judges, it would be
extremely difficult to secure them from party influences,
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the word " schools moved—an amendment to insert
among the exceptions from
theTiBieiIIATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the amend-
ment.

Mr. HENLEY supported it.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
--
Against it z7a7
Majority against the amendment
—39
The Fisheries Bill went through Committee.
Toe Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time and passed, with the addition of a clause pro-
posed by Colonel DONNE.

The Navy Pay Bill went through Committee, was re-
ported, and the report to be recdved this day.
The s:reond reeding, of the Landlord and Tenant (Ire-
land) Bill was postponed to Monday next.
The Equivalent Company Bill wag read a second time
and ordered to be committed this day.
The second reading of the Tenant Right (Ireland)
Bill was fixtcl for this day.
The Administration of Criminal Justice Improvement
Bill was fixed to be committed on Monday.
The order for the Committee on the Petty Sessions
(Ireland) Bill was read and discharged.
The Trustees Bill passed through Committeee and was
ordered to be reported.
The second reading of the Masters' .Jurisdiction in
Equity Bill was postponed to Monday.
On the motion for the consideration of the Lords'
amendments to the Benefices in Plurality Bill having
been brought on,
An HON. MEMBER moved that the debate be ad-
journed.

After some discussion, in the course of which the
Howe appeared to be agiiazt proceeding with the mo-
tion at that late hour, the subject dropped, and was
2133erstOOd to have been postponed.
The Committee on the Compound Householders Bill
was p ,stponed ti:l Monday.
'The Committee on the Debtors and Creditors (Ireland)
Bill was postponed to this day.
The second reading of the Landlord and Tenant
(Ireland) Bill was postponed to Wednesday next.
Oa the motion for the third reading of the Small
Tenements Biting Bill, and further
proceeding on
adding a clews-,
Mr. STANFORD said he intended to oppose the
clause, and if it was persevered in he would move that
the House do now adjourn.—(Hear hear.)
After a short discussion a division took place on the
question that the clause be added to the Bill.
The House divided, when there appeared—
Ayes ... ..• ••• 61 .„
Noes ...
..• •.• 27
Majority in favour of the clause ••• —34
The Bill was understood to have been read a third
time.

On our return to the gallery a motion was just made
for the adjournment of the House.
The House divided, when there appeared—
Ayes ... 23
Noes .. ..• ••• 63
Majority against the adjournment —4O
The Registrar of Judgments Office (Ireland) Duties
of Stamps Compensation and Salaries Bill passed.through
Committee.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'clock.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
VICE•CH4IVCELLOR'S COURT; July 25.

(Before Sir J. K.

RUSSELL V. THE EAST ANGLIAN RAILWAY COMPANY.
Mr. BACON and Mr. MILLER moved for the committa,
of the Sheriff of Norfolk for contempt of the court, in
taking possession of railway carriages and other pro-
perty belonging to the company. under a writ of fieri
&cies, issued at the instance of a simple contract credi-
tor, there having at the time been a receiver appointed
by the court. It was alleged by the plaintiff at law that
his debt was for coals and coke supplied to the company,
fur which he had obtained a judgment. The Learned
Counsel stated that the sheriff had a clear notice of the
appointment of the receiver before he interfered with the
property in question. Advice had been given to that
officer to apply to a judge, who suggested that the re-
ceiver and the sheriff should interplead. The receiver,
considering that he exercised his office by authority of
the court, declined to interplead. Counsel contended
that in tdis determination the receiver was acting pro-
perly, for his appointment would be a mere nullity if be
could be interfered with by or on behalf of a judgment
creditor, his duty being especially to protect the inte-
rests of the bond creditors and mortgagees.
Mr. ROLT and Mr. TOLLER•appeared for the execution
creditor, and contended that the appointment of the re-
ceiver was made upon an order taken by consent, and
had been concerted with a view to defeat the simple con-
tract creditors. It was manifestly unjust that the bond
creditors and mortgagees should have priority of pay-
ment out of the tolls or fares produced by the working
of the line, while the creditor who supplied the coals
by means of which the line was worked would be left
unpaid,

Mr. Roundell Palmer and Mr. Bunney appeared for
he sheriff.

Mr. BACON pointed out that if the law allowed an
execution creditor to interfere with a receiver, a com-
pany might, by creating many simple contract debts, en-
able creditors of that class to defeat the prior claims of
the bondholders and mortgagees.
His HoNouß—Has the defendant in the suit in which
the receiver was appointed been served with notice
of this motion?

Mr. BAcoti—lle has not. The practice of the court
does not re quire it.
His HONOUR said that the registrar considered the
practice did not require such notice. Assuming that
such was the practice generally, he still thought there
were circumstances connected with the case which
might render it necessary and right that the defendant
should be present, it might he that it would appear
that the plaintiffs and the defendants in the suit were
❑ot distinguishable; but that could not be denied in the
absence of the defendants. If the Ccurt were to permit
the 3 herifF to go through with his process, it might have
the effect of allowing him to interfere with tha defen-
dant's property. His Honour would not permit form to
stand in the way of attaining substantial justice. Al-
though concert in obtaining the appointment of the re-
ceiver was not denied, it might turn out that such con-
cert was not improper or blamable. The motion mutt
stand over for the defendants to be served.

COURT Or• BANKRUPTCY, July 25.
(Before Mr. Commissioner PANE.)
IN THE BANDRUPTCY OF ALARIC A. WATTS.
The bankrupt, who was described as a printer, in
Berners-street, came up ou the question of certificate,
unopposed.

M. LAWRENCE expressed a hope that the Court would
in this case grant a certificate of the first class. The
bankrupt's misfortune had mainly arisen out of harassing
and protracted litigation in the Court of Chancery.
There had been a heavy loss in the realization of pro-
perty, which mainly consisted of copyrights and pictures.
The personal expenditure was of the most moderate
character, and the accounts most accurately kept. There
was nothing, in short, he urged against Mr. Watts, who
enjoyed a high literary reputation.
The official assignee stated that a dividend of 7s. 6d.
in the pound would be paid in the course of a few days,
and testified to the satisfactory nature of the accounts.
The solicitor to the assignees, Mr, Belden,confirmed
perfectly content. The expenditure of the bankrupt
had always been most moderate, considerably below his
income.
The COMMISSIONER. could hare no hesitation whatever
the statement of Mr. Lawrence. The assignees were
in granting the certificate at once, but would take time
to consider his decision as to the question of class.

SHERIFF'S COURT, July 25.
(Before Mr. Under-Sheriff BIIRCHELL.)
CRIN. CON.--COLES V. DIARSHALL.
This was an action to recover compensation in damages
for criminal conversation. The cause was before the
Court some time back, when the damages, which were
laid at 300/, were assessed at 2001., and a new trial had
been granted on the ground of excessive damages, and
an improper reception of evidence.
Mr. Parry appeared for the plaintiff,
Ballan-
tine for the defendant. and Mr.
From the statement of the Learned Counsel for the
plaintiff, and the witnesses called, it appeared that he
was a young man, and had been in the employ of Mr.
Lunham, wholesale provision-tnerchaatiin the Borough,
where the defendant, a man of about fifty years of age,
was warehouseman, at 51. a week and partial board. The
plaintiff was married in 1847, and his wife, who is about
his own age, kept a little shop in Gloucester-place, Wel-
worth•road, where sweetmeats and tobacco were sold;
his salary at the time was 1/. a week, and he had since
the occurrence which led to the action left his situation
at Mr. Lunham's, but the defendant still remained in the
same employment. In January last the defendant was
observed to visit the plaintiff's wife when he was neces-
sarily absent at his work, and a document in the de-
fendant's handwriting was put in,
which had been sent
by him to Mrs. Coles, and in which he made an ap-
pointment with her. The plaintiff's suspicions were
excited, and on being told what sort of a person had
visited his wife, he declared that it was the defendant.
Soon af%erwards ho sold off his things at the shop, and
was subsequently summoned to Southwark Police Court
'
to support his wife, where he denied his liability, on the
ground of adultery with Marshall. The Magistrate,
however, made an order on him to support his wife, and
on the following day the defendant and Mrs. Coles were
traced to a coffee-house, in Newington-causeway, n.and on the where
plain-
they had engaged a bed for the night, and
tiff and a policeman entering h
was found undressed, and Mrs. CrOons, the defendant
Coles in the bedroom
with him.

In stating the case, Mr. PARRY contrasted the age of
the parties, and the situation of the plaintiff under the
derendant who had destroyed his happiness, and then
asked the jury to award the fall sum at which the
damages were laid in the declaration, namely, 300/.
Mr. BALLANTINE addressed the jury in mitigation of
damages. He complained that no female witness had
been called, and that certain facts had been withheld
from the jury. Then the jury would consider the shop
which the plaintiff had kept—a
cigar shop—and where
he had exposed his wife to the attention of men. He did
not mean to deny that the defendant was a man advanced
in years, but he thought it very probable he had fallen
into the temptation, and had not practised the arts which
had been imagined to seduce the young woman. The
Learned Counsel was proceeding in an energetic strain
to oarament on the ebsence of the parties who had wit
nessed the scene in the coffee-house, when Mr. Parry
interrupted hint, by saying that the witnesses had been
sub; wetted by the defendant and were in attendance—an
interruption which Mr. Ballantine denounced in strong
languege as resembling a trick to catch the jury. He
Ballantine) contended that it was a caso for small
damages.
The Learned UNDER-SHERIFF. in placing the case be-
fore the jury, told them they had nothing to do with
the former trial—their only duty in the case was to as-
sess the damages on the evidence given, the defendant
having admitted the cause of action by allowing judg-
ment to go by default. Although the observation should
not have been made by Mr. tarry, it was to be ob-
served that if any witness had been kept back, the de-
fendant had the power to bring forward any evidence he
thought proper in the ingeiry with the view to diminish
the damages; he had, however, called no witnesses.
The Jury, after a brief consultation, assessed the da-
mages at 200!.; the same amount as was awarded on
the former tria.

FRIDAY , EVENING, JULY

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.

The Learned JU DGE having asked the prisoner if he
wished to put any questions to this witness, he replied,
" I have nothing to ask him; it appears to me that he
will say anything to get the reward he has been pro-
mised."

Several witnesses were then examined, with a view to
corroborate the testimony of the approver, and Mr.
Martin, a chemist, at Lewes, proved that about the time
the robbery was committed he abstracted something
from the prisoner's eye, and gave him a lotion to
bathe it with.
The CHIEF BARON having summed up,
The jury immediately returned a verdict of Guilty.
The Lt.arned JUDGE, in passing sentence upon the
prisoner, said that this was one of the most daring and
alarming burglaries that he ever remembered to have
heard of. The evidence made out most conclusively
that he was one of a gang who were banded together for
purposes of plunder, and it was perfectly clear that they
did not hesitate to carry out that which was the most
alarming feature in such cases—the resorting to acts
of personal violence, either to prevent the parties they
robbed from giving an alarm, or resisting their unlawful
intentions. Under these circumstances it was highly
necessary for the safety of the public that the law should
be carried out to its full extent; and the sentence upon
him, therefore, was, that he be transported for the term
of his natural life.

The prisoner merely gave an impudent grin when the
sentence was pronounced, and walked away from the
bar apparently quite unconcerned. The other persons
concerned in the outrage were tried at the spring assizes
for another burglary, and sentenced to be transported for
life.

OXFORD CIRCUI 1: Stafford, July 24. •
CROWN COURT.—(Before Mr. Justice Wrenrams.)
WHOLESALE ROBBERY OF AN ENPLOYER.—Edivard
Gooch Hone, aged 30, a chemist and druggist's assistant,
was indicted for having stolen, on the 27th of June, at
Wolverhampton, from Frederick Weaver, his employer,
a large quantity of chemist and druggist's goods; and
Harriet Warner, aged 31, was indicted for receiving
them, knowing them to have been stolen, and also har-
bouring Hone, knowing him to have stolen them.
Mr. Greaves, Q.C., and 'Mr. Kettle appeared for the
prosecution; and Mr. Scotland for the defence of Hone,
and Mr. Vaughan for the defence of Warner.
There were five different indictments against the pri-
soners in the above form, each relating to different por-
tions of the prosecutor's property. The value of the
articles included in all the indictments was about 500 L
The quantity charged in the first indictment amounted
to about 2001., including several packages of otto of
roses, gold leaf, quinine, Macassar oil, &o; To this in-
dictment Hone, under the advice of his Counsel, pleaded
guilty, and Warner pleaded not guilty, no _evidence
being offered upon the other indictments.:- 16 order to
establish the guilty knowledge of Warner, it was neces-
sary to go into evidence of Hone's proceedings. It ap-
peared that he had formerly carried on business as a che-
mist and druggist in the Strand, London; that he then
went to Liverpool, and after being there for some years
married. Before his marriage he and his wife were cc-
quainted with the other prisoner, who was the wife of a
Mr. Loyal Warren, who kept a boot asd shoe shop there,
and both the prisoner and her husband went with them
to church when they were married. After living with
his wife for about 15 or 16 months he left her and Li-
verpool, and for some intervening period his steps were
not traced. The next notice of him was when he was
assistant to a chemist and druggist at Stone, from whom
employment he came at Christmas last into that of the
prosecutor, who is a wholesale chemist and druggist at
Wolverhampton, the latter believing him to be a good
character, and allowing him a salary of 651. is year. TI
prisoner must have soon commenced his wholesale sys-
tem of plunder, for in less than six months his employ r
had lost goods to the extent above stated. A great part
of these were recovered, and the passage to the witness-
box was beset to-day with seven large boxes of need -
eine, pet fernery, &c. Indeed, the case was supposed by
many in the court to illustrate the oil adage, " that it is a
bad wind that blows nobody good," as the presence of so
much perfumery diversified very agreeably the sameness°.
the noisome odour that generally distinguishes the Crowe
court here. For ten weeks prior to his arrest he had
been living in lodgings at Wolverhampton with the other
prisoner, who had also abandoned her husband, and
th-le it was that the goods in the indictment in qttestion
were all found and identified. The question for the jury
was whether she had received tie goods which were
found in their lodgings, knowing that they had been
stolen from any one?
The evidence on this point was to the following effect:
Madox, a police-officer, proved that when he and the
other officers went to search the prisoners' lodgings they
declined to tell what was the subject of the charge, and
she pointed to two cupboards that were in the room in

Haire CIRC July 25.
CROWN COURT.—(Before the LORD CHIEF BARON.)
diary Hardwick, who was convicted on Tuesday of
feloniously attempting to drown her child in the sea at
Brighton, was brougnt up for judgment, and sentenced
to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for twelve
months.
Elizubctle Bacon, a girl who had been convicted of
setting fire to her master's house, was also brought
up for judgment, and sentenced to the like punishment.
".1 rayton Darby, 23, a stout-built, determined-looking
countryman, was indicted for barglariously breaking
and, entering the dwelling-house of John Rickman, and
ft-aling two watches, value 50/., two gold chains, two
gold seals, and other articles, his property.
Mr. Johnson conducted the prosecution.
Tho Learned Counsel having briefly stated the cir-
cumstances of the daring outrage imputed to the pri-
soner, the following evidence was adduced :
Mr. John Rickman, the prosecutor, who, being a
member of the Society of Friends, was examined upon
his affirmation, said,—l reside nt Wellingharn, in the
parish of Ringmsr. My family consists of myself, my
wife, and my two daughters. On the night of the 7th
February last we retired to rest at our usual hour.
About two o'clock on the following morning I heard a
noise in the house, and I got up and was about to pull
the night-bolt of my door, when it was suddenly burst
in with great violence, and three men entered the room.
They had a light with them, and J observed that one of
the tnen had a bludgeon. They were all completely
disguised by having something tied over their faces.
One of the men then went to the side of the bed where
I was lying, and another to the side of my wife, and
they demanded my money. I was collected enough to
say, "I am sorry for you." The men then said, " Your
money—your money—give us your trousers." I pointed
to where my trousers were lying, and one of the men
took them up and rifled the pockets. They then took
two watches that were hanging at the head of the bed.
They were both valuable, but one in particular was so.
The men then began ransacking the drawers, and while
they were so engaged I heard the alarm-bell ring, and
the men then ran away. But for this I believe, from the
conduct and demeanour of the men, that life might have
been lost. When the men were gone I went down stairs,
and ascertained that the house had been entered by a
window at the lower part.
Miss Sarah Rickman, being also affirmed, said—l oc-
cupied the same bed with my sister on the night in
question. We were disturbed in the course of it by
hearing a noise at the door of our bed-room, and di-
rectly afterwards three men came in. Two of them
came up to our bed and demanded money. My sister
told me to ring the bell that was on my aide, and I did
so, and the pull broke. My sister was then about to
ring the other bell, and one of the men said that it she
did so he would strike her. She attempted to ring the
bell, and he immediately struck her with a bludgeon.
Miss Rachel Rickman said—l was in the room with
my sister on the night of the robbery. The men were so
disguised that I could not identify any of them by their
faces; but I heard the voice of one of them, and at first
I thought it was a woman. I have since, however, beard
a man named Richardson examined, and by his voice
I am certain he was one cf the men who was in the
room.
Thomas Richardson, an approver, was then examined.
He said—l have now come from the gaol to give evi-
dence, being committed for trial upon this charge of bur-
glary. I know the prisoner. On the evening of the 7th
February I met bins at a beer-shop kept by Allen Gower
in the CH& at Lewes, and Richard Funnel! and Edward
Carey were also present. We all agreed to go to Mr.
Rickman's, at Wellingbam, and wo started from the
beer-shop a little past nine o'clock. Carey and the pri-
soner went away first, and I and Funnell followed them
soon afterwards, and we all joined upon the road. We
went past the Cats public-house, and also by the Prince
of Wales, at the foot of Mailing•hill. We then went to
Ridge's farm, which is about a mile from the prose-
cutor's. When we arrived at Mr. Rickman's we walked
round the house, and I got a knife and cut a notch
is the closet window, intending to take out the
pane; but, as it was not large enough to admit Carey's
body, we went to another place, where there was a large
glass window, and Carey broke it, and Funnell then shot
open the shutters, and we all got into the house. We
struck a light and examined the room, and took two silk
handkerchiefs. We then went into another room on the
ground floor, and afterwards went up stairs into the
ladies' room. The prisoner Carey and I went in, and
Funnell stayed outside on the landing. We were all
armed with sticks and were disguised, so that no one
could see our faces. Funnell and Carey had black crape
over their faces. I had a piece of white linen over mine,
and the prisoner had a red handkerchief over his. We
found the two ladies in bed, and Carey demanded their
money. One of the ladies rung a bell by the side of her
bed, and Carey caught hold of the bell-pull and tore it
down. The other lady said there was another bell on
her side of the bed, and Carey said to her, " But you are
not going to ring it." She was about to lay hold of
the bell-pull when Darby struck her with his stick.
After this they went to the bed-room of Mr. Rickman,
and heard the noise of the bolt being drawn inside,
and they immediately broke the door open, and
the prisoner, I, and Carey went into the room, Fun-
nell being still standing in the landing outside. I
saw Mr. Rickman and a lady in the room, and heard
Mr. Rickman say, " lam sorry for you," when m mey
was demanded of him. I took one of the watches from
the bed-head, and the prisoner took the other, and we
then looked into the drawers, and we took away a plated
candlest.ck. While we were rifling the room Funnel!
came in and gave us an alarm, and when we got out of
the room we heard the alarm bell ringing. IA e then all
left the house the same way that we had entered it, and
went across the fields to the London-road. On our way
we had to cross a stream, and the prisoner jumped into
a bush, and got something into his eye. The next dry
I saw the prisoner with a handkerchief over it, and his
eye appeared to have been injured. Wo wrapped all the
stolen property in the handkerchiefs, and took it to a
beer-shop, where it was left. I saw no more of it, and
on the following day the keeper of the beer-shop gave
me three sovereigns as my share of the 'spoil. Darby
and Carey received the same sum, and Carey took Fun-
neli's share for hire. A day or two afterwards I saw
the prisoner again, and he told me he had had something
taken out of his eye.