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of the clergy and the people. Then
n',,Oplrve the question to be dealt with ? There
Roth' Fe believed, only three modes of dealing
1'4,, the subject. One was the appointment of
ett,„",ragali bishops or assistant bishops. In some cases,
‘ll4Ps that might be desirable, hut, as a general rule,
fre did cot think it would be satisfactory, because a suf
3;9r4golduiethii,s_hoa was not a diocesan, but one who without
e oh had the power of pe.formine; episcopal du-
di 3: If the creation of diocesan bishops was thought
sera%
,uestion- '
there were only two modes of dealing with the
the first was that pursued in the case. of
.thde
ilea °f airinchester. He, however, thought it n,,e -
alto go into the merits of that scheme, because 1 ar-
f -ent was not likely to create new bishoprics on
.the
then gof t,119 bishopric of Manchester. The question,
ee, arose, was it advisable to create new bishoprics
uPe°° a humbler) and mere restricted basis?
.If that was
the only Plan, setting aside matters of detail, be would
ups: ask would they open the door to the foundation.
.1 new bishoprics, or would they close it under all cm-
leutusta
s_Ar,e t lees? The work of the Church was not done in
Chi': ""vos. It was not possible to make all people. good
ordiViaus/ but it was the duty of the Church to bring her
ttiet slices home to every man. In many of the rural dis-
co was the case, but it was impossible it should be
akiliyin, large as
and towns, where there was scarcely
hit Personal relation between the clergyman and the. inhfe..-
PasattUrs'i The best way to make the Church effective co
see'slaa Purposes in large towns was to found episcopal
remo,"°neor other of those towns.—(clear, hear.). One
her ° ageinst the foundation of new bishoprics was the
'el' that such Id fritter away the reve-
nue,
pc - a course would
liteld , the Church in supporting a few idle persons, in-
el 4.,,,°fProvidinehard-working
small incomes for the .
Poi On this point he might refer to the colonial apt
leitth4tneats, The ancient practice was to send men o;ti
,„__ salaries of 4001. or 5001. a year, and under sdutchr
nthre-
i`wa'stslances it was difficult to procure menfitted for
oour
eol ncl4l work- The economical view with regard to 1
° e's we Id have been to say, " De not give 2,000.
"3 000/ u
to ' „4. a Year to bishops, but husband your resources
theeP,arplhhelefofr the clergy." But it was well known that
founding bishoprics in the colonies had
°loee:teheineveefineinl- What had been the effect ? Why,
1825 ,e foundation of the bishopric of Jamaica in
en bishoprics were founded, and the cler-
getbe under them at the foundation alto-
hi the °oln 290; but in 1847 they amounwteerdfnotuondeend2:
0413theelaerrglay12 the bishopric of Tasmania was -
of the diocese numbered only 19, but in
place t;1107 amounted to 43; similar results had taken
14- i_in the rest of the new !bishoprics. Why. not,ti
tetift ado the same principle in England? Thoinln--
ere,4l of additional bishops in England would also The
biscns,, the number of clergy and communicants.
no "t' would form a centre around which congregations
be seeetsergY would spring up in great numbers. When
stlenr;s".._ of the formations of new bishoprics, he meant
ezelesi w,ere presided over by men whose time would be
Ile yetY devoted to the ecclesiastical duties of their
e,,,,Peti,r.e dioceses. Hein each case a
proposed that
the
qprf,B"°P should be appointed in accordance with.
Rho -'sed desire of a large number of the inhabitants,
eoiselell?uld subscribe towards maintaining.. him; that the
the AT °f the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and also
he!
taiesPa'ini4tration of the day, should likewise be o
the td' and that the whole scheme should be laid before
The e',11(41 in Council for the sanction of the Crown.
zyt -pefteitoeittsitzent of bishops like that of Manchester was
with the question. He hoped the Com-
hsd ee
would' approve of the practical scheme which he
InPrrd°Pj°B,d for their consideration.—(Hear, hear.)
'Peer p, 'RUSSELL wished to express a doubt re-
the StUle tee Propriety of adopting the clause moved by
lt' taint 11°11. Gentleman, rather than to argue against
Bight -P"oh hereafter. He could not think with the
g,
gether ~c. Gentleman that we ought to give
,t.i.p Ito-
those re Prospect of creating new bishoprics alike
that :` Blanchester or Ripon. It appeared to him that
the „"as a practical plan, and one in accordance with.
estietrer:4ent constitution of the bishoprics of this
l'aeli V; Great advantages must arise from creating
f
tkitochi'cloarics in large districts. The bishoprics o
~.,'ish es'ee;st'r and Ripen, and the division of the arch-
vlie°4c'e of York, had' produced great benefit to the
Ras tt That the Right Hon. Gentleman proposedd
tally 't there should be a kind of dioceses separate
:::B,ufti:
otfhose at present exislog. Ha (Lord J.
004.9) thought there were strong objections t / the
thegpsa seat ju a new kind of bishoprics unconnected
Parliament, and totally independent of
this pre order of bishops. If funds were to be voted for
(pit ,tIP: ?Ile(' of bishops, they would have to be supplied
ttties t Sting bishoprics, under the plea that the
Itenere°' existing bishops would be dimiaished—the
iettr;"'4te effect of which would be that existing
l'aniaPraswolild be deprived of the means of attending
kleub "it/ It would then be said " You have now at
the theeP °f bishops having seats in Parliament without
oat g.-4,n8 of attending there. and you have others with-
-I,iliketih.,,enektihn:arliament. Is it not better to pat them all
44(1 - same footing? " That would be the argument;
a good one or a delusive one, it would be
4itS(3; t° beer successful. If, however, you prevented the
NRay
.Ps from attending Pat liament, you would go a good
airawards
h separatist) the Church from the State.—
ketett4acqq-) It appeared to him (Lord J. Russell) that,
°if the /)°f cresting new bishoprics according to the plan
the ocr'ght Hon. Gentleman, it would be much more for
Faroe ilv-811,itage of the Church to increase the number of
ser4i Is eistricts. There would be great difficulty in
tessiellg en the affairs of the Church with bishops pos-
lst o!,s4ltell different pee e. s and occupying such diffe-
Ore-,1",°0s- For instance, if any large subscription
-gtg. a tbCst''._ inno
rWestmineter for the purpose of appoint-
`l',o(lo4l e,,,t),1 that district, you would have a Bishop of
Ptsten u`nalng a seat in Parliament, and a Bishop. .of
li:,tid p Inster not holding a seat in Parliament, entirely
laqiecl,e;at of the Bishop of London, and exercising
n'' 'l thritaVna seParatel , The Right Hon. Gentleman
1410Pae- "° (Lerd J. Russell)). had himself introduced an
B‘xisieh,°° ot this kind—that there were bishops now in
I:,steit-,;° who had not a seat in Parliament. The Go-
"Weft'," had not introduced a system by which twenty
4veor.would have seats in Parliament, and twenty-
-4'lstitle'eusulcl lade
no -seat!.
.The innovation the Go-
-4 eh. left a junior bishop without a seat to
i al thate,getting
tst tle I%uring the rlier eriod of his episcopa,e, to
tiltitp tisainted w. h
.ea .
tli mei, .it his diocese,
.but with the prospect of
a seat in Parliament. It appeared to
;4, haero„,,tue Plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman was not
ig the -"Y with the titution of the Church;
ue 4.- same tithe, present cons
11441°tIlid de,'°ect/ in future such a system might
ens;tr hie; at preyseeanrts,,ho'wever, he (Lord J.
`-"opal)ti '''"u hot consent to the clauses being read a
tetend Pe.
Rltling ue.bsekevNtiN ERS could not gather from the con-
the arty eehe_a tons of the Noble Lord that there
NI Parpoie we on the p art of the. Government for
Of litole oe „of rendering the episcopacy .of the
tirbs gr(t -Ldagland sufficient for the due discharge
Di all t, 84 Important duties. It was the opinion
tiliblitttal`w-resjfaa who had taken as interest in the
„_ op, „_ are of the Church, that an inerease of
ill the :aa. absolutely necessary. All who had written
e‘dellpBi're.Couftlenc_tiareesre agreed that. the bishops of the
inwittial poPaind Ought to be Lhe.s.peiritual rulers of
Drer:iithel,er;mrerealtb.
scheme
eet nla el Lord now op-
h ot
he had himself ap-
e4B°ereuef two or three %arms ago. His (Lord John
4Peet W conviction was, the Church of England need
stapes her Ai' ,favour and very little justice at the hands
ti hAtSt'd Government. Under these cicum-
he If, Ll his Ilon Friend would take. there
ense
ear spedon his motion..
It:Lora s' fen words from Mr. GLADSTONE,
litki hot' IIdirtI,S,SELL hoped the Right Hon.,Gentlemean?
knit/1'481)0,41u° on the motion, as the Government
bee dicih to give their best attention to the subject,
aitir.
jikti3t wish to negative the. motion.
Ildraw h• STONE, under these circumstances, would
le koti'.! thotion,
e14,4°41 "1,4 was accordingly withdrawn.
kis.° 't--`, e'n4,%I\INERS then moved the following
bait r of eaou be it enacted, that the owner otritpreos-
all i
Nal „kid Ina have
tithes or portion of tithes
/
the -"ereof V 'aye power to annex the same or any
ilat
cheat° the parsonage, vicarage, or curacy
.o
tau, settle thureh or chapel whence the same lie or arise
4esvre' ‘lotir e same in trust for the benefit of such par-
te4. to the or curacy, any statute or law
.what-
The..
4ln', ne contrary thereof in any wise notwith
1 Taelshie
440 Nou, was agreed to.
lioct fur cry Loan then moved the following clause,
ISeit'is from qiect to inhibit the Ecclesiastical Commis-
it ,1)4 vvh; el'alling with any property of the class in
ereini_selttr4" should come under their direction, "And
84011-,ll,„°efore-" and d enacted that the provisions of the
'4141'10 of recited Acts relating to the sale, transfer, or
itsht r'ot e 4Y lands, tithes, or other hereditaments,
oieharg,B''en,,d to authorise the sale of any tithes or
keetP/ or toll' 'jell of tithes belonging to the see of any
t'4' (Ifec:ally-daeatinY Chapter, or in the possession or enj0y-
,,,84 'of 'canon, prebendary, or other dignitary,
seV,stoe ofanl. eethedral, collegiate church, or iEn the
8i 'ae Ecclesiastical Commissioners for ng-
tap r q
~ ti forage.....r
41 tElr 'sid that the Noble Lord confounded
%NV heel •ftleir'„4tion and tale. lie was favourable to
t-
al11:- 44 lehBl-n",e, al nuiposes; but alienation was not a
Atf aate e-e said/ The Commissioners had no power
444
,t,rtt f
whurch property.
k44,,°rd it. „,words from Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Goulburn,
Ithiel; Qojjalronor, the clause was withdrawn.
4 Apeivte a ") RN then moved the following clauses,
tae„_
it to:
111151,44,0 t
efer:creed and enacted
jeer!! totti it declared
Itetir°Vin 8 whie that the arrange-
to peculiar or exempt ecclesiastical
0.. oti ion, „t h the said Commissioners are under_
tt ..Boris to ' the said first-recited Act empowered and
alitsootteltlY of tPere°Prre in any scheme for. carrying
may
e, atbe taeadeti commendations therein recited,
el tr! releti, 4rld Proposed in any scheme or schemes
-414°4-',er reatig to such arrangements solely, or also to
say'' ‘B,ted Am?' or
thing contained in any or either of
4„ n be it ',4 Or this Act.
I.oeil/41ohnetleo heclered and enacted, that in the case of
isieeN'tiltlye.°4 whichWhilorYw shall no longer be
.held by the
_
e .44 Of teelled at the time of the passing of the
kti the Act in
tip,..oe,,,same
.4..... possessions thereof, the provi-
Ng tar ,'"issieuer.'" Which relate to the transfer to the
clean", aetintleveenei:t or the estates of any archdeaconry
either of the modes therein prho.-
ZOect)tilittYclot'fitts°;°bt_heindlsannexing from any such arc
eliNex 'tod held with cure of souls, shall be
gni% :hoe, with authorise authorise such transfer and such
sect, Of the __the consent of the bishop of the
pat the tig_rehdeacon ossession of the arch-
eetb4tie belle cop':2,or if the archdeaconry be then ye-
tat ?ti), 1 it deolar" of the bishop only.
tie4r.jill44ts:4otpBlts-atinnegd tioedthaerid enacted that the powers and
, alteration of the boundaries of
443"ty's r Iteld ill the'a Act passed in the session of
‘ilittte,oci tlgo, itritseventh and eighth years of her
tlitttel.4l4l caeu ile t tsepulcd ' An Act to explain and emend
th, :et 4,w re ef pOn rod An
better Provision for the
fia„
,little 4,‘eXisqu'eus Parishes,' may ae to any such
attre 4 cout,in ttotWithetanding the limitation in
14 the patsy exercised at any tme within
gof this Acts and as to every