The Sun.
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;i1)„.. In-terferenee with industry ; and the other, as
hc't Stated, in bringing forward a kind of Jack
'')(l°4litesition,
and setting the question in a
Ifo rent light. He confessed, that if a
itiit the regulation even of adult labour,
tnl a Report of Commissioners properly
kke , were brought in, he should not like
'Nit Upon himself the responsibility of object-
'4 ' The resentquestion resolved itself into
lt
'aZilta 1 P q
eY, whether young persons of twelve,
`"tig- o'oor fourteen years of age, were injured by
tllti. TPelled to work twelve hours a day, and
ho, If this period were reduced from twelve hours
folzrs, it would be possible to give sufficient
zvi tor that amount of labour, and leave profit
'4l to the capitalist Tina manufacturer to induce
latices I've Qmplo-iment to the vast population
Ns, ...ire
tent and Yorkshire; or whether it would he
to 'with the general interests of the manufac-
ie thill'Zce this diminution. This was the goes-
:lllV.Jught, and the Government maintained it
Nit.' Injurious to all those interests, and that the
1 ktol°4 of the Noble Lord would excite discon-
i °llgst the masters and the operatives, and
4,,,,, diminution of employment. He gave the
's;::llerit every credit for being actuated in the
tirt,,,they were about to adopt, by conscientious
ki,,-) and for taking every fair means to. prevent
le, e°rlsequences to the manufacturing interests,
°lithe other hand, he thought the other party
' tleti, those new principles, could not be at all
iti'' as revolutionary in their support of the
e
lidr43,n,• He should wish to apply himself to a
entcarm of all the bearings of this great and
14,
44,,118 question before next Friday, and he
th!utit the Noble Lord opposite would also con-
I: matter before next Thursday, and state to
1,,,"'5.e his
views, and the course he intended to

tll.llt-
thought it a wise course to adjourn this
it„. • then both the House and the country would
b°l3Portunity of considering the matter. Nearly
Sears ago, a Committee consisting of fifty-ono
14-1/18',._w,li°se party views differed from each other
\Pde "on as those of Hon. Members Ith) took a part
4 4.l)ate, and the result of their suggestions was to
74 statutes which had for their object to in-
'lt the exercise of labour, and he hoped the
,?k consider this matter well before Friday
NT would entreat the Right Hon. Baronet oppo-
to
to
was surrounded with his present difficul-
, twre his attention to the best means of putting
ithoo the great competition which at present existed
thittir) and to consider whether other legislative
tr
41k, could not be adopted that would have the
h.tutlfenlloving the sources of commercial distress. In
i
nt nstanee he fully concurred in the course
lto,lll
ik4keti the Government. He hoped Hon. Gentle-
toti consider well before they would adopt or
"1ppi„444,7 restrictions which would tend to limit
trade and commerce of the country.
43ORTHWICK trusted that the Noble Lord
for Dorsetshire would afford every facility
,tb°ase for gaining information with respect to
Ny-n he intended to pursue, between this and
tee 'n
L.AILLER wished to make a few observations
?trPretation put upon what he said the other
Ntthe Right Hon. Baronet opposite. The Right
,‘thh..?net had taken advantage of one expression
Ori-'q fallen from him (Mr. C. Buller), and which
1.81113 sequently explained. The Right Hon.
1t7t4h,..."ial misunderstood entirely what he said, and
kit-Voting his eech, he drew inferences from it
tile House anspd the country under a most erro-
Npression. What he (Mr. C. Buller) said
0k‘0„,4 new state of society had arisen owing to
rlalation of great masses of unskilled labourers
)j,,tiitr tg3yns, and that consequently it would be
'4 leY were to legislate now upon the same prin.
ola those upon which they did formerly, and that
keen
ito utile should support the motion
IkeERT PEEL said her Majesty's Govern-
-6tlltidhe adopted that course which they thought
of,, most in accordance with the views of the ma-
b,,N4 ~,s‘ne House, and were willing to make every con-
l'titi,"°rt of a sacrifice of their own conscientious
6,NIA g'• If he understood the Hon. Member for
ii,,,,%°qedaright, ho had stated that this question should
Vitttn- °Pon not in an abstract light, but that they
Otekjisider it as the first step in a bold and novel
liti4t`'ltit legislation, and that the principle was not to
to this measure alone, and consequently that
teady to follow up the new principles and
tll/104 tothe old. Ire would further state that he was
carry legislative interferen hewith labour
fullest extent, as far as could con-
tqeo or without risking a greater evil. The
tleman had protested against the remarks
00,44 been made upon his speech. The object of
4s lament in introducing this measure was to try
lttNee,,sucb a one would be likely to give satisfaction
fn try, and in doing so, he thought they were
ng one of the first and highest duties of a res-
kN Government.
li?iete:ANDON said he hoped the Noble Lord woul
I,,:tlib„, In the course proposed by her Majesty's
i,,o,;:ent to withdraw this Bill, and bring in a
tklt „ Re thought that the House was in favour of
‘lto-carse, and thought it would be better if they
I:,,44eserve any expression of opinion on the dura-
Oille period of labour in the factories until this
INIAti was brought in. When the Bill was first
ctlt"n, her Majesty's Government attached much
nee to it than they did now. He would en-
iiretst, to reconsider this proposition—to consider
„I°n in which the public sympathy was now
gt`" consider the feeling which was rising up
Itjt, it ,Zlanufacturers themselves, and to consider whe-
-I,'tto,Zl safe to postpone, from year to year, the final
of this question.
tbRRISON said that he believed, in his cTi-
k.i'llt,iFitt a Ten Hours' Bill would not only be in-
carried, to the labouring classes, by lowering
%Niter; but he believed that it would prove fatal
Ili; IV to the cotton trade, which constituted almost
kilott,e of the export trade of this country. Ile. said
4 trade, because the cotton trade was widely
Qiiic (with respect to the operation of this Bill). to
%Ztt *tile woollen or the linen trade—all of which
ItAttitie„re better e'stablished, and better able to bear
01470, than the cotton trade. In the silk-throwi_nog.
Wet maehinery was superior to that of the f
V% 'in the woollen trade the advantage was. not. so
44.:(ihttt in the linen trade, owing to the inventions
Otitte_heen recently introduced, more especially by
tl‘Ali 'tall, we were enabled not only to beat other
let./4, 4:11,13.1_1t, he understood that some of our menu
'4l at 1r actually established houses for the sale
with
V_otte,,traburgh. But the persons connected
.'`ur. 'Ora& had to contend with a growing com-
an America, not merely in Massachusetts, but
lektfteoli-'„e whole of the United States, cotton mills
41„ eil"kilually rising up. Any attempt to limit the
1414t0 hour in this country he looked upon as a fetal
Nth, export trade. Although at present our
11,44tuttlt snore activity than for some time past. it
k' yet he thought there were symptoms which
'ttnntade." him to indicate that the present aspect of
the
not continue ; and he had no doubt that
ttel next session of Parliament, the country
14,4)11, g-Itis Prediction had been verified. .
r§get t'A.NLEY said that his Noble Friend (the
tVor Liverpool) had made two complaints
11041. liit,,,,l,Majesty's Government, in both of which he
j)1 to ht his Noble Friend was labouring
41,1attrLstalie. Ing the first place, his Noble Friend
Nl3pa aced"lat her Majesty's Government, some time
„te ; to attach no value to this question. Yet
Ntatop'"'t they tried to magnify it into a matter of
fitter. titlee. Now his Noble Friend must recollect
i Majesty's Government, from the first, had de-
kitttp tt,a Most emphatic manner that it was their in-
°pese the motion of his Noble Friend the
uorsetshire. He believed They were gene-
th-ar!ed to be sincere in that determination,
e 1.40 a ~`'neY were
abilityeprived in consequence, upon this
4154'4111'1e' the y and support of his Noble Friend
t ti;Yr for Dorsetshire. Now he (Lord Stanley)
th!6 would show that the Government had not
Vvikal3 subject as of a matter of slight importance.
his .410 difference with respect to the principle be-
-144 B4,1:"oble Friends and her Majesty's Government.
btitt,ted the principle of interference with factory
Ite,ol,4,Lthere was. a material difference with respect
gat 'atatt''n one important question and one involving
tlio4 consequences. He (Lord Stanley) believed
nets Nd„consequences would be fearful to the opera-
tht..sl thci the manufacturers of this country. Ile be-
thefe„oit), the very parties for whom the Noble Lord,
114, .N.-411*.otildt be Dorsetshire, had taken so deep an hi-
lt is ue the very parties that would suffer most
5(4,1,4 Propoan •
ion, should it be adopted. This was
Ale e' at a, Stanley's) conviction as to the result, either
Ile 'V future time, of his Noble Friend's princi-
et the°
colifeased that the Government would be de-
-50411---.4„eontry if they did not strongly express their
ltob.ed founded upon temporary circumstances, but
,`'tir,gily '4P general principles and the condition
11°41-Milt tho manufacturing interests of this
not be-„.., it would not be safe—that it
;It "at an„ ruse—that it would not be prudent to
Ike °, expectation as to what they might do this
lqear
that
next year, or that what they did not do
1,4111,4,
ueY inig'ht do the year following. He be-
;./ k-tted P°ll reflection it would be seen by those who
"ei.Noble Lord, and he believed that it would
of th tek considered
labouring classes themselves, if they de-
Itte
nhieensidered this subject, that if the proposition
filtrable . Lord were to be carried, it would inflict
tviaiiin.lary on those whom the Noble Lord cape-
-49r. ,t to serve.
4-WES
,tt, e
al thought no one ought to complain of
Vtlhiroguanner in which the Noble Lord had ad-
;4) badeor this subject.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr.
eeted to the Government Bill when it
t;let of introduced,
t,e Moult because it did not embrace the sub-
118t "en wont% He had, however, been glad to see
Ns:alooerrneoart turn its attention to the subject, seeing
eqih, _ later the condition of the labouring
401, If the
ecotTtry would force itself on their atten-
%--
~hicmed r strietion of the hours of labour were to be
bYacia rietd.uction in the amount of wages, the Go-
ip
i,tCtsw_ould, n their power to adopt measures at once
till the. 4es fore Item operation, compensate the labour-
the the toss they might sustain from the reduction
q' cites' lie therefore to th nd an felt no apprehension on
tif °perm. y reduction in the amount of the wages
slit,, stied redive..B_.w.oho were to be affected by this Bill ;
nio„ of this tit' n were to take place, the working
hi, Lae Go_rn country would then have a stronger claim
pioaetbe
eiecet 1.131,9nt for those measures which would
the a, were the , I compensating them for their loss.
.e„, ;tem
of
~.g!neral grounds upon which he thought
might be adopted without any
ya 2 trkitt,.;_t7l,lloUrs
ifitatOr i::V_ne manufactures of the country. The
awed t.relloe had been tried since 1833, and it
by a great augmentation of the commerce