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long speeches were made, and the Bill was abandoned.
Was it not evident to the country that they were hypo-
critha? What had the Reform Act done for us ? Our
expenditure in 1830 was 52,018,0001.; in 1835,
48,787,0001. ; in 1849, 57,581,0001.(Hear, hear.)
sine the passing of the Reform Bill we had
added 41,000,000/. to our national debt. By the
reductions of ;the interest the fundholders had been
mulcted 1,452,0001., or the interest of the debt would
have been so much more than at present.—(Hear, hear.)
No doubt great improvements had resulted since the
Reform Act; but he (Mr. Osborne) agreed with the Hon.
Member for Surrey when he said that the Crown had no
power, and that it Was a sort of president's chair.
There had been a change of parties, a shuffle of the
sal-Oa:since the famous resolution, and now the influence
of the House of Lords—of the aristocracy, " had in-
creased; was increasing, and ought to be diminished."—
(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Osborne) had no wish to see the
House of Commons completely tenanted by one class ;
but he found that thirty-three Peers sent fifty-two Mem-
bers there ; and that, in fact, the House was enacting a
sort of high Life below Stairs.—(A laugh.) Many an
Hon. Member was nothing more than " my Lord Duke's
man"—(A laugh)—and no doubt the " Lady Bab's" re-
presentative was in the list. (Laughter.) Lord
Broughani; in his " Political Philosophy"—(oh, oh)—
we must draw a distinction between his speeches and
his pen—(A laugh)—anything proceeding from his
pen was entitled to some degree of respect
(Laughter)—Lord Brougham said there would be no such
thing as bribery if there were no small constituencies,
and he noticed that lodgers were excluded from the
franchise, and the most ingenious artisans, the men of
letters, scientific men, and that by a law framed for the
purpose of drawing a line between ignorance and intelli-
gence; no doubt it did draw the line, and left informa-
tion on the excluded coast.—(Hear, hear.) But, was
there no other form of corruption but that of money—no
other means of bringing up unwilling members to vote?
It was generally supposed that the whip was the emblem
of the Secretary to the Treasury; but Hen. Members
were in the secret, and knevi very well that it was the
ishing-tod—(A laugh)—and 'the Parliamentary Isaac
Walton—(A laugh)—was indeed an expert " fisher of
men."—(Laughter.) He knew well how to throw the line
skilfully for a country gentleman—(Laughter)—he knew
how to' bob for a patriot.—(Groat laughter.) Garters or
ribands did for some; but that House had a peculiar
fandy for the honours of the bloody hand.—(Renewed
laughter.) When the Melbourne Ministry was in diffi-
eulaihs, and Europe was ransacked for it vote, who did
not remember the miraculous draught of baronets that
appeared all alive its the Gazette one afternoon?—(larch
laughter.) The days of chivalry' ware gone; it was easier
for: w Member to win his spurs by succouring a Minister
in difficulties than, by breaking it lance for a damsel in
distress.--=(Loud laughter): Did this apply to one side
of the-House alone ? What said 'a great Conservative
paper the other day, apologizing. for the small division
on the:Address? He read, in the Morning Herald, that
an Hon. Member " wished 'to be invited to the Duke of
Devonshire's ball, which he hoped to accomplish through
Lord John"—(A laugh)that another was to' have his
lady and daughters commended -to her Majesty's next
ball; a third wanted promotion in the navy for his son,
and another wished a son sent as-an attache to Vienna
or Paris; while a fourth hoped to' get a piece of ground
on easy terms from the Woods and Forests.—(Laughter.)
Thus, though money was not paid to gentlemen out of
the Treasury, there were, notwithstanding, inducements
held out to them that acted as effeetually; and therefore
he said they had no business to call themselves a pure
House of Commons.—(Hear.) As to the ballot, he was
ready to admit that both its evils and advantages were
exaggerated; but if the people wished it,' and if there
was a probability of thereby extinguishing corruption,
why should it not be given ? He would advocate the
ballot as a protection against the passions of the many as
well as against the prejudices of the few.—(Hear.) As
to the inequality of the representation, why should Not-
tingham, with a population of 51,000, only send two
Members to Parliament, while eight small boroughs in
South Devon alsurnt two each? He regarded house-
hold suffrage as nothing more than a return to the an-
cient practice, the principle of which was clearly laid
down in Sergeant Glanvilfe's ComMittee, as referred to
by the Hon. Member for Montrose. (Hear, hear.)
They were told by the Secretary for the Home Depart-
ment that he wished to walk in the ancient ways of the
constitution. Why, one of the ancient ways of the con-
stitution was triennial Parliaments—(Hear)—and when
gentlemen connected revolutionary sentiments with trien-
nial Parliaments, he asked them if it was triennial Par-
liaments that destroyed the Monarchy? The answer
must be no. It was septennial Parliaments that must be
called revolutionary; and so far from the advocacy of
even annual Parliaments being an innovation, he found
that in 1745-a motion for annual Parliaments was re-
jected by a majority of only 35.—(Hear, hear.) With
regard to electoral districts, he confessed he felt some
difficulty, but he did not pledge himself to all the propo-
sitions of the Hon. Member for Montrose by voting for
his Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He voted for it because he saw
no prospect of reform from any other quarter. The
Noble Lord refused to bring in a Bill. He (Mr. Osborne)
felt that they could not stay as they were, and he was
obliged, therefore, to take the proposition of the Hon.
Member for Montrose, as coming nearest to his views.—
(Hear.) Historians seemed to think that our ancestors
had fallen into great mistakes on the subject of elections
in consequence of their ignorance of the actual state of
the population. The great Lord Shaftesbury, he be-
lieved, first agitated this point 'of electoral districts; and
another Chancellor, Lord Brougham, was also favourable
to the establishment ci electoral districts. That Noble
and Learned Lord stated, in a published work, that
" the only real remedy was extending the number of
voters ; or, if that was impossible, increasing the six, of
the elect prat districts."—(Hear, hear.) He did not wish
to map the country into districts, but he was much in-
clined to consolidate several small boroughs together,
as was the case in Scotland.—(Hear, hear.) The
Honourable Member for Glasgow a few nights
ago brought forward a motion for the enfranchisement
of five parishes in this vicinity—Hammersmith, Chel-
sea, &c., a district inhabited by people of the highest
resrastability, a great proportion of them being literary
men, and which paid poor-rates to the extent of 500,0001.
The Home Secretary spoke on that occasion, and, he
believed, said very little; but there was an Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Campbell) who gave the most extraordinary
reasons he had ever heard for not agreeing to the mo-
tion, reasons which he had read with great regret, as he
was the son of one of the greatest men in this country,
who had made his own fortune, and who boasted that he
liked " plain John Campbell" better than any title that
could be conferred upon him.—(Laughter.) That Hon.
Gentleman, who seemed to have read English history in
the spirit of a dancing-master, told the House that he
had attended a parochial dinner in this district, and he
thought the low people not fit for the franchise.—(Laugh-
ter.) Low people! Why, his information was, that the
Hon. Gentleman had attended the dinner and made
long speech full of quotations from Aristotle, and then,
because his hearers did not relish the speech, he said
they were dull fellows and not fit for the franchise.—
(Laughter.) He would ask the Hon. Gentleman ifhe knew
all the voters who supported him at Cambridge? Did
the Hon. Member for Cambridge know who were the
voters that supported him from Barnwell?—(Great
laughter.) He hoped the Hon. Gentleman would take
the earliest opportunity of attending another parochial
dinner and making the amende honorable to the people
of Hammersmith, Knightsbridge, and Chelsea.—(A.
laugh.) But another gentleman, it appeared, had else-
where sneered at the Hon. Member for the West Riding
or not being educated at Oxford, and seemed to think
that no gentleman could be a leader of a party without
having an university education.--(Hear, bear.) Did the
Hon. Gentleman who made use of these remarks
throughout the country know that his own leader was
not educated at the university?—(Hear, hear.)
Did he remember that the Noble Lord was
not educated at the Univerity ? He would sup-
port the motion before the House, because he
believed it would add to the security of the constitution
and promote the cause of freedom and industry; and he
would support it because he believed it would make that
House what it ought to be—the House of the Commons
of England.—(Cheers.)
Mr. H. BERKELEY wished to say but one word.
He congratulated his Hon. Friend on having a distinct
intimation from the. Home Secretary that he was pre-
pared to meet one part of this question on a !future occa-
sion. The difficulty they bad had for the last thirteen
years, since the ballot was brought forward, was to get
Ministers—on their legs—(A laugh)—but the Right
Hon. Gentleman now told them he would meet and
answer that ueation.
Mr; LOCKE KING, amidst loud cries for a division,
moved the adjournment of the debate, but the cries
being renewed with vehemence, he said ;hat, seeing that
the wish of the House was against his motion, he would
withdraw it.
It was accordingly withdrawn, and the House then
divided on the original motion of Me. Hume, when there
appeared
For the motion...
Against it

••• 86
••• 242

Majority ••• •• • ---146
Mr. AGLIONBY moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to effect the compulsory enfranchisement of lands of
copyhold and customary tenure.
Sir G. GREY said, that after the roport made by the
copyhold commission he would not oppose the introduc-
tion of the Bill, but he could not promise the support of
the Government in its future stages.
Sir R. INGLIS was disinclined to encourage needless
amateur legislation. Not even a person of the most san-
guine imagination could hope that the Bill would be car-
ried, and therefore ho would vote against the motion for
leave to introduce it.
Lord D. STUART supported the motion.
The House divided, and the numbers were—
" Noes ...
Majority
—65
Mr. F. NIAULE moved for and obtained leave to bring
in a Bill to render more simple and effectual the titles by
which congregations or societies, associated for purposes
of religious worship or education in Scotland, hold real
property required for such purposes.
The House adjourned, at a Quarter to One o'clock.

DR. CRucEnx.—Elsewhere, in our advertising
columns, will be found a last tribute of respect, ad-
gratitude to the memory of this amiable
miration4 and
and excellent philanthropist. We have a melancholy
satisfaction in joining our voice with those of the ad-
mirers of Dr. Crucefix, and in thus expressing a kin-
dred feeling of regret at his departure.
The large manufactory for the distillation of bittu-
minoui products at Cordesse, near Autun, was last week
entirely. destroyed by are, notwithstanding the utmost
erartrlfts or the people of the place and the surround-
leg coavltry. The water thrown on the flames by the
engine# appeared Only to increase their intensity. The
total. 1043 6f the property ts' estimated at 255,000 f.; only
ifkooor. of which a" covered by insurance.

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