The Sun.
London, England, 1868-07-04 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

lIOUSE OF LORDS-LAST EVENING.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat On the woolsack
at five o'clock.

THE CONDUCT OF THE HOUSE.

The Earl of MALMESBURY said that he rose with
relation to the conduct of the noble lords opposite in leav-
ing the house as they did last night. Ile did not
think that there was in the recollection of the
oldest member of the house a similar scene.
He would not say that it was disrespectful to the Govern-
ment but to the House, and it was not discussing the mat-
ter withthatequanimity which ought to distinguish them.
Why, after admitting the amendment of Government on the
Scotch bill on Tuesday, should the coestion be brought on
again last night ? Why should the Opp )sition members
leave the house in the way they did? 11.) said it NS solemnly
as he c:euld, bolh b :fore and after the noble loLds lef t the lions.,
that the Government did not intend to deceive the house
at all. He woul I read them a letter from the Prime Mi-
nister, in which he state! that he read with ast enisitra,mt
the scone which took place in the 11 )03 !of Lords lest night.
lie as,erted th.,t his statement was distorted, and that all
he thought to express was, that he thought that, in re-
viewing the le:Hines; of the house, he had done
with the two po'nts in discussion. lle would now
explain what the Government int eu•led to d). They had
put off the Boundary Bill and the Scotch R dorm Bill till
Monday next, and they mist ask the:r noble friends
not to insist on the amen Itneats of which
they had given notice. .They hid been long
taunted with a desire to remain in office from vulgar and
mercenary motives; therefore, they wished to have a
general • election as soon as possible, and they had so
managed matters that it could tAke place in November
next. They must remember that the registration must
under the Reform Bill take place by the 20th of this
month, and that four days' clear notice inuA be given.
Then the Boundary and Scotch Bills must be passed
and receive the Royal assent by Friday next, and there-
fore they must resist all amendments to thorn. (Hear,

hoar.)
Earl RUSSELL said that their only complaint was
against the Ministers of the Crown, and that the conduct
of the Opposition was justified by the unusual conduct of
the Government, who might have proposed an adjourn-
ment to. ascertain what in reality the First Minister of the
Crown did say.
Earl BEAUCHAmp said that the Opp osition peers had
left the House because they considered that the Govern-
ment had been guilty of a breach of faith. Now ho must de-
precate the fact that no retractation was made. They had
not thought fit to withdraw the imputation on the prin-
ciple, he supposed, that if one threw mud enough some of
it would stick. He animadverted upon the fuss that had
been made by the noble lords opposite as to Reform, and
the little that they had done. (Ironical cheers.)
Tho Duke of MONTROSE said that he did not think
for ono moment that there had been any breach of faith,
and if he had he should not have brought any
amendment forward. The accusation appeared to him so
unfounded that he wondered how they could sit there and
not acknowledge it.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said that they wore endea-
vouring to decide a question which the House of Com-
mons ought to decide. if Mr. Disraeli had given a pledge
perhaps his followers were ignorant of it. He thought
it was quite a question for the House of Commons.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the greatest se-
dative that the house could have was that when an angry
discussion aros3 for one side of the house to walk out.
The Earl of DERBY stated that during a long experi-
ence he had never listened to a debate with so much re-
gret. The discussion had been conducted with much un-
necessary warmth. After the explanation of the Govern-
ment, noble lords opposite ought to express their regret
at having imputed motives of bad faith. Any other course
would be ungenerous and unworthy.
The LEarl of HARROWBY attributed the original
breach of faith to the Liberal party in the House of Com-
mons, who, being dissatisfied with the conclusions of an
important commission, insisted on referring the bill to a
select committee, and so made the question cne of party
and local feeling.
The subject then dropped.
On Earl RUSSELL moving that the House go into
committee on the Compulsory Church Rates Abolition
Bill,
The Marquis of SALISBURY invited attention to the
fact that several provisions had been originally inserted
tor the protection of the Church, notably those restraining
a Nonconformist churchwarden from administering a
voluntary rate, and for the compulsory collection of the
contributions promised to the rate.
The LORD CHANCELLOR explained that the object
of the committee had been to affect the existing parochial
machinery as little as possible, so that in many parishes
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church rates would go on just as they now did, without
the power of enforcing payment. The clauses referred
to by Lord Salisbury were plausible is appearance, but
there would be a risk of the whole system falling to the
ground if there were a great disturbance of the existing
system of drawing to) rigid a lino b ytween. Churchmen
and Dissenters, and even compelling those who were
favourably disposed to the Church to separate from it.
The Archbishop of CASTEIZRURY c._mcurred in this
opinion. _

The Earl of DERRY still retained his objections to
;he bill ; but as their lordships hal acc.,pted its principle,
Lie trusted it would at last satisfactorily settle the ques-

After some further debate, participated in by the Arch-
bishop of York, the Bishop of Oxford, Lord Lyveden,
Lord Halifax, and other peers,
The bill was passed through committee.
The Salmon Fisheries Bill passed its final stage, and
their lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAsT EVENING.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at two o'clock.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA ACT AMENDMENT

BILL.

Sir S. NORTIMOTE said that as this bill stood for
committee after the Metropolitan Foreign Cattle Market
Bill, and as the principle of the bill had already been dis-
cussed, he suggested that the bill should go through com-
mittee without further opposition, and the new clauses
might be proposed upon bringing up the report.

METROPOLITAN FOREIGN CATTLE MARKET

BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill, the
object of which, it will be recollected, was to establish a
foreign cattle market at the river side, near Barking., at
which foreign cattle alone were to be sold and slaughtered
and thence conveyed to the metropolis,
Mr. CORRANCE roso to reply to the speech of Mr. M.
Gibson, and denied that he was influenced by anything
but the future good in supporting the measure. He thought
that if they were to wait until a general law imposing
legal restrictions on foreign cattle were passed they would
have to wait long enough. He denied that the passing
of the measure would tend to stop the supply of beef,
which was now by no means so common in Salford,
Manchester, and Birmingham as the right hon. gentle-
man (Mr. M. Gibson) had pointed out. He fully agreed
that the interest of the consumers ought to be consi-
der ed, as those consumers had to pay for restrictions of
all kinds.

Mr. GL® DSTONE thought the pressing forward the
present bill at the end of the session was entering on an
endless controversy. The noble lord, in the course of his
speech, appeared to condemn the trade in foreign cattle
as at present carried on, and ho could only say that he
thought the endeavour to pass such a law as that now
under the consideration of the house for London, without
passing statutory restrictions for the government of the
cattle trade at the other parts of the country, was of itself
quite sufficient to delay the consideration of the present
measure for an indefinite time. (Hear.) He thought
the attempt to prevent the reintroduction of the cattle
plague by such arrangements as the measure proposed
quite useless, and he was also much opposed to the pre-
sent bill, as it appeared to him to be the desire of the noble
lord to set aside executive discretion in favour of statu-
torylaw. Another point that had been passed over by the
noble lord was that of the finance of the new market. It
had been states that the outlay to establish the market
was put down at £300,000, but as it had been admitted
compensation would have to be also considered, he thought
that the cost of the scheme would be more likely to
amount to half a million. If the public were to become
speculators in slaughter-houses, he thought they ought to
know whore the half million of money required was to
come from, and in what manner the revenue was
t.) be raised to pay the interest on the sum
required. (Hear, hear.) He hoped the noble lord would
explain that matter to them when he next addressed them.
It was said the Corporation of London might become the
parties to carry out the provisions of the bill, but suppos-
ing they declined then commissioners would be appointed
by the Crown, but that showed to him most strongly that
in the event of any deficiency it would have to be made
up from the national resources., The ratepayers of
the metropolis had rightly or wrongly got it into their
heads that the passing of the bill would increase the price
of meat, anal it would require very strong arguments to
convince them them that such was not the case. (Hoar,
hoar.) Giving the Government every credit for a desire
to increase and cheapen the supply of good and whole-
some food to the public, rather than an attempt to revert
to protection, notwithstanding the little slips of the
tongue that now aad then were ma le by hon. gentlemen
opposite, he hoped they would not-persevere with this bill
before all matters of detail were clearly set forth and
settled.

Mr. HENLEY supportol the bill. The right hon. gen-
tleman had carefully guarded himself from saying one
word as to whether there ought or ought not to be a sepa-
rate market—(hear, hear)—and also why they should not
Otte a step iu the right direction -(hear, hear)—provided
the bill was a good oao. He thought it a pity that
the difficulty of the matter should b 3 increased by the
aNiertioas ►Wade on th 3 other side of the house that
the bill was brought forward for electionearing purposas.
(Rear, hear.) as thought the bill was calculated to effect