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THE SUN, LONDON, JANUARY, 1844

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—No, except such words as are usually omitted by short-hand
writers, the connecting parts.
Mr. Tomb—State what the Rev. Mr. O'Rafferty said on
tbat occasion.
Witness proceeded to read the speech, the following being
extracts from it : —Dr. O'Rafferty said—" Fellow-country-
men and brother repeaters; the regenerator and liberator of his
country had arrived amongst them for the purpose of paying
them a visit. The Liberator had come amongst them for the
first time. It would not be saying too much for the people
of that part of the country, when he stated that they would
support that great man (O'Connell) in the struggle he was
making for the regeneration of his native land; they were too
long trodden under foot by the Saxon. The great man who had
come amongst them would then address the meeting, and would
tell them of the blessing that would result from the repeal of
the union. It would bring blessings on the country, which
Mr. O'Connell himself only could tell them of." That
is all I took of the speech. The Rev. Mr. Flanagan
addressed the meeting 'also, but very shortly. The Rev. Mr.
Spain spoke at that meeting. He said, "It was a glorious
day for the King's County : they had a few short months ago
another meeting in another part of the county, at Birr, when
Ireland showed her moral strength, and she should again be a
nation." The speaker then -read a resolution which he said
was put into his hand. The Rev. Gentleman continued to
say, that "he did not see why English gentlemen of liberal
mindsla 7 brentcontinuing the Union, because it benefited
England, injury to Ireland." The Rev. Mr.
Nolan, of Dunkerrin, also spoke at the meeting, and begged
forit was
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nleave to move a petition for a Repeal of the Union. The Rev.
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Mr. Kearney spoke at the meeting, and said, "I bold in my
hand a resolution. He then read the resolution, and conti-
nued—" They should persevere in the agitation set on foot
by the great Liberator of his country—they had only to per-
severe in the struggle to make the country prosperous and
happy, for—
" Freedom's battle once begun,
'Though baffled oft, is ever won."

Mr. O'Connell called for three cheers for the Queen. The
Rev. Gentleman said he was sure the Queen would be de-
lighted to kick Peel out of office some fine morning. The
Liberator was the advocate of his country's wrongs.
Mr. Tomb—What took place alter that ?—The people
shouted out " Repeal, Repeal, Repeal."
Mr. Tomb—Come to the speech of Mr. O'Connell.—(The
witness turned to his notes.) Mr. O'Connell said he rose to
address them on a new topic, which he had scarcely touched on
before. He announced to them the certainty of carrying the
Repeal, and that nothing could benefit Ireland except the re-
storation of her own Parliament. They had only to persevere
in their peaceful struggle, and they would carry it as sure as
the sun that shone over them. When he (Air. O'Connell)
was a counsel practising at the bar, he always liked to prove
his own case out of the witnesses' mouths who were produced
against him.
The Attorney-General here rose and said he had no wish,
nor did he express such a wish as to compel the traversers to
remain in Court each during the trials. He had not the
least objection to their leaving Court, provided it was under-
stood rapt they remained in the precincts of the Court ; but
he was just informed that two of the traversers had lelt the
Court, in order to attend a meeting elsewhere, and this was
what he could not consent to. Unless they were at once
sent for and remained in the precincts of the Court, he would
feel it to be his duty to have them called on their tecogni-

zances.
Mr. Moore—They shall be sent for immediately.
The w then pt oceeded with Mr. O'Connell's speech— The
present Administration have proved by their conduct that Repeal
is inevitable. They have threatened to put us down by
force ' • but they had not the power to carry their unconsti-
tutiot.al threats into execution. When three millions of peo-
ple demanded Repeal up starts the Iron Duke and threatens
a cisil war. He threatened to unloose the dogs of war
to put down Repeal.—( A voce, " Never.") Never be ore
were a Ministry so bewildered. Peel went into the House of
Commons, and took the Queen's name in vain. He said the
Queen had pledged herself to preserve the Union inviolate; but
I told him in the strongest language I could with propriety use,
that he lied, that the words were his own and not the Queen's.
I stated that we had broken no law, and that we stood upon our
constitutional rights—that we would break no law, but we
would persevere, despite of threats, in our peaceable struggle.
This declaration had its effect, and the idea of coercion was
given up. The Times newspaper announced the other day
that the Ministry had spent a whole ten hours deliberat-
ing upon the state of Ireland—that they had come to
conclusions with regard to her grievances—but that the
Irish should be cut down. But I announce my defiance—

the people have broken no law—they have offended no man—
but, if they are attacked, they will defend themselves. No
breach of the peace shall be committed by thepeople of Ireland.
They will give no excuse for the use of force against them ; and
thus they will embarrass their enemies. It. the Government
attempts to bring in a Coercion Bill I will take my place in the
House of Commons, though much I dislike it—l will move
amendment after amendment upon every clause of the Bill, and I
will keep them two years before they can pass it. This is my
answer to their threat of a gagging bill. The House of Com-
mons deliberated for six days upon Mr. Smith O'Brien's motion
for a committee on the state of Ireland. The grievances of this
country are admitted ;`but there was to intention of applying a
remedy to them.' Peel has admitted these gt ievances. Whig and
Tory—both sides of the House-,-admit that such an incubus as the
Established Church cannot continue. Why should the ma-
jority of the people support a church establishment for the use
of a small minority? A man should pay his priest or parson as
he pays his doctor or tailor ; and no man should pay any doctor
or tailor but his own. The object for which the Church tempo-
ralities were originally given was for Catholic purposes, for the
repair of places of worship, the support of the poor, and masses
for the dead, and a new appropriation of them is now called.
No one defends these things now, and who may you thank for
that ? Why, the Repeal Association. I will never cease
agitating till these grievances are redressed. The Estab-

lished -Church cannot continue in possession of its huge
temporalities. I will respect all the vested rights of those
persons now in possession of them. That can now be
done; but it cannot be done afterwards. Captain Rous
and Lord John Manners have admitted that these -rrievanees
cannot continue. Peel admits that the landlords a Ireland

havg acted tyrannically. The people have suffered oppression
for centuries ; laut the day of retribution is comi.,g, and justice
will be done to all, anu Protestant ascendancy be trampled
under foot for ever. We only looked for equality when we
sought for emancipation, and Peel said it should never be
granted, yet he was the first to concede it. Emancipation
only served the rich, but Repeal will serve the poor : it
will bring three hundred thouiand pounds a-bear into this
country alone. I call upon the Irish landlords to unite

with me ; they will be benefited by Repeal ; it will
put an end to the unhousing of the poor. In these
results her affections were centered, yet her tears
were disregarded, and despite her remonstrances the ruthless
fiat went forth to pull down the house. There were whole-
sale murders on the one side, and assassinations on the other,
both disastrous to the persons against whom they were perpe-
trated. All persons agree that something must be done. Why
not do it at once ? I propose doing it by the repeal. Mr.
Robinson has a plan of his own. lam for mine. My plan is,
that no landlord should receive rent unless he gives a lease.
Like the payment of the clergy, no penny no paternoster—no
lease no rent. The lease ought to be for twenty-one years, and
the tenant have the right to go before the assistant-barrister if
the rent was too high. At present no one can register unless
he can swear that he can get 10/. above rent and taxes. I
want that the tenant shall have power to register his improve-
ments the same way as he is entitled to register his trees, and
the landlord bound to renew his lease, or pay for the improve-
ments. And from this spot—nearly the centre of Ireland—l
call on the landlords to join me; then they would receive more
in respect than they new do in money. Property has its rights,
and shall continue to have them. It has also its duties, and
must perform them. He cautioned the people against Rib-
bonistn, and begged, if any one sought to induce them to be-
come Ribbonmen, to deliver him up to justice. Let any one
who will do so hold up his hand.
The jury here retired for refreshment.
After a lapse of fifteen minutes the Court sat again, and
the examination of Mr. M`lslamara was resumed :—The meet-
ing was held on Sunday, Witness could not say how many
were] present. It was held in the market square of Tulle-
more.vt r s
in I
asarw flags and banners flying at the meeting, and
heious parts of the town. 1 have no recollection
o
of the inscriptions on those flags and banners that were carried
but I remember some of the inscriptions on these in the town,
One was—

give to some person who wanted to show them to another
person.—( Laughter.)
Well, how many dramatis pet swim were there in this farce?
—First, you were the principal performer; your brother-in-
law the second; and then two other "persons unknown"—
these are the words of the indictment ?—I do not know if I am
at liberty to mention the persons or not.
Well, I have no objection to your doing so; it is Mr. Tomb
that objects. Weil, how many days were the notes going
through this process of transmission, in this family way
through you and your brother-in-law, after you had written
them out ?—I cannot say.
Well, what became of them afterwards?—They were re-
turned to me.
Finally ?—No; I gave them to a person, and never saav them
since, until I saw them in Dublin.
Did you first make a draft from your notes ?—Yes.
And this is a fair copy ?—Yes.
And where is the draft ?—I destroyed it.
And the original notes also ?—Yes.
When ?—On the same day.
How long ago ?—I don't remember. It might be two
months ago, but it was not three.
I think you stated as regards your report, that you did not
take every sentence ?—I did not take every sentence.
Whole sentences were omitted?—No doubt.
I think you said in your report that a professor stated that
the Irish were the finest people in the world ?—I did not say
a word about the pi ofessor, but I am perfectly aware of what
you are alluding to—you mean the professor in Spain and
France.
What system of short-hand do you write—Mr. Taylor's ?
—No ; is it necessary I should tell you what system ?
Just read the passage about the professor.
Witness then read the passage.
Mr. Hatchell—Now on your oath will you say from your
notes or from memory that there was one word about a
Spanish professor ?—I will swear that I took it down.
You could not write Scotch for Spanish ?—I am quite sure I
could not. lam quite prepared to swear that I took the word
down as " Spanish."
But you do not mean to say that you are infallible ?
(Laughter. )—No, certainly not.
Do you swear that you might not have mistaken the word
professor for philosopher. Do the words when written- in your
system resemble each other ?—No.
Oh, no, not according to your system of making mistakes?
—( Lairs hter. ) Do you write short-hand at all ?-1 do.
Write the words professor and philosopher in short-hand. •
Judge Crampton—Write so that the jury can understand.--
(Laughter.)
The witness having written the words in short-hand,
Mr. Hatchell—Oh ! that is professor—aye, I see, and that
is philosopher—well, certainly, they don't look much alike. A
very short for professor ; at all events, the longest move
is philosopher.—(Great laughter.)
Mr. O'Connell (looking at the scrap of paper)—Professor
is the long one.
Mr. Hatchell—Can you swear that you saw a placard about
Europe being in a blaze?-1 did see some placard of that kind
in the street. I sass' it a considerable time before the meeting
was held.
Do you know that that placard was taken down ?—I do not.
Did you hear Mr. Steele direct that it should be taken
down ?—I did not hear of his doing so. He might have
written an order to the effect.
You mentioned that Mr. Robertson suggested some plan at
the meeting ?—Yes, it had reference to the landlord and tenant
question.
Will you just read what Mr. Robertson said; but, first of
all, allow me to ask whether Mr. Robertson is one of the body
called Quakers ?—I believe he is.
The witness was then requested to read from his notes a
speech delivered by Mr. Robertson, on :moving the adoption
of a resolution. The follossing is an extract from the same:—
" It is true that you can expect nothing from a British Parlia-
ment, and it is equally true, that if you presevered in your
present principles, you will soon have a Parliament of your
own. We are anxious to do no barns to any one, but to do
good to curselves. Instead of an Arms Bill, they ought to
give us fixity of tenure."
Mr. Harebell applied for a copy of the notes of the speech
read by witness. Ihe Court consented.
The examination was then resumed.
Mr. Hatchell—lt was moved that a petition should be pre-
sented to Parliament, was it not ?--It was.
Look at your book ; see who was the mover; and anything
able read, you will be so good as to read slowly that we may be
you to take a note.
I suppose you have no objection to a copy of your testimony
being made public?-1 have no objection, as far as lam con-
cerned.
Mr. Hatchell—That in your hand is your property.—l don't
know whose property it is.
Have you not been paid for it?—No, I have not.
Don't you know that that which is the produce of a man's
labour is his own until he is paid for the parting with it ?—Yes,
I know that.
It is your property then ?—I think so.
Now, Sir, will you tell me what the Rev. Mr. Nolan said ?
He moved " the adoption of a petition to be presented to
Parliament praying for a repeal of that fatal measure—the
union."
Was that motion seconded ?—Yes, by Dr. Gray ; but in re-
ference to names, perhaps, I ought to observe that very few of
them were announced. It was only after inquiry as to who
were* the speakers that I could give the names.
The petition was presented to Parliament ?—Yes.
Have you a note of the petition? —I have not.
What are you sear, hing in your pocket for ?—For my pockef-
handkerchief.—( Great laughter).
Was the petition read ? Yes.
Why did you not take a note of it?—Because I thought a
copy of it would be given to me.
Did you apply for a copy ? I did not.
Did you ever read it ? I did not.
Now, on your oath, had you not the curiosity to read it in
the newspaper?—l saw it in the newspaper.
Yes, so accurate an observer was not to be taken.by surprise.
Did you see the report of the proceedings in more newspapers
than one ?-1 read it in two newspapers.
Yoe have no copy of the petition ?—I have not.
What is the next transaction of which you have any note ?
A resolution, but what abcitit I don't know.
Oh, some resolution of which you know nothing ?—Pre-
cisely so.
Who moved the resolution of which -you know nothing ?
The Rev. Mr. Tierney.
Who seconded it ?—Mr. Clarke. There was another resolu-
tion moved by Mr. O'Loughlen, and seconded by Air. Ryan.
Mr. Hatchell—Have you any note of it?—l have not. Read-
ing the petition to Parliament was the next thing done, then
followed Mr. O'Connell's speech.
You were taking notes at the table ?—I was.
How was it you destroyed those notes— did you throw them
into the fire ?—I threw some of them into the fire, and my
children cut some of them up.
Was the draft thrown inio the fire ?—Yes.
here were some other reporters besides you present at the
meeting ?—I remember seeing only one.
- Was he for a newspaper ?--He said he was.
The witness was then desired to withdraw.
John Simpson Stewart was next examined—He said, I am
a sub inspector of the constabulary. I was stationed at Tul-
larnore in July last. Was there on the 16th of that month.
Was about town on the morning of the meeting. Saw mottoes
and banners in my progress through the town before the meet-
ing was held. A large number of persons came to town to at-
tend the meeting. There were many thousands of persons in
the streets. Observed a banner with a motto in High-street,
Tullamore. I took a note of it.
Mr. Tomb—Does that book in your hand contain your own
handwriting ?—lt does.
What was the motto that you saw in the High-street ?
Air. Henn—l object to that question. It does not yet ap-
pear where the banner was placed. It appears that it was
seen in the town. before the meeting took place, but surely
there should be some further information respecting it. The
banner might have teen fixed in the night while scarcely any-
body was in the town. It does not appear that it was carried
round by any person. 'the mere fact of a paper being posted
is no evidence, and I
The Lord Chief Justice—You will observe that all that took
place cannot be given in evidence all at one time. What the
witness has already sworn to amounts to this. He was in the
town of Tullamore on the day of the meeting discharging his
duty as an officer of police. He saw that a number of persons
had come into the town, and then that the persons amounted
to several thousands, and that he in the exercise of his duty
went round the town for the purpose of making his observa-
tions. He says that he saw multitudes collected in different
parts with banners and mottoes.
Mr. Henn—No, my Lord. Now, that is the very foundation
of my objection—the banners or mottoes were not brought in by
any of those persons.
The Lord Chief Justice—You interrupt me too soon. I
said over and above those persons collected, who did not belong
to the town. There were thousands of persons in different
parts of the town, and it was the duty of the officer to see what
was taking place. Now, he observed, when he went about in
his tour as inspector, sundry banners and mottoes. I know he
did not say they were brought in by the non-residents, but that
while the preparations were going on
Mr. Henn—With great respect, I Leg to observe that he has
not said what part of the town he—
The Lord Chief Justice—Because you have not allowed him.
Mr. Henn subMitted that the fact of a placard being posted in
High-street or any other part of the town, was no evidence
tending to affect any person present.
The Lord Chief Justice—You cannot prove everything all at
once.
Several thousand persons were assembled in the High-street,
at Tullamore, when I went there. They were coming in
great numbers into the town ; and many of them passed by
High-street. High-street leads into the town from the -Burgh-
road. There was an arch across the whole of that street.
There was a motto upon that arch.
The Attorney-General—What was it ?
Mr. Henn objected to that question. The erection of the
arch in question diet not appear to be the act of any of the
parties at the meeting, and did not affect that which the Court
had then to try.
Abr. Justice Crampton—The same objection would apply to
the platform.
The Attorney-General said that the objection had already
been decided on in the case of the King against Hunt.
Mr. Fitzgibbon said that the case of the King against Hunt
had no manner of analogy to the present. In that case- the
parties accused were found guilty upon the fourth count,
which charged them with the holding of an .unlawful as-
sembly. But the charge against the present traversers was
that of having entered into. a conspiracy ; and the act of un-
known parties at Tullamore could be no evidence to sustain that
charge. The Crown might as well adduce in evidence the
placards in Dublin about the sale of teas and other goods. In
the case of the King against Hunt, the natpre of the placards
showed the character of the assembly, but that evidence was
not brought forward to prove a conspiracy, nor was the Court
so absurd in that case, as to admit it as proof of a conspiracy.
The present case involved a charge of conspiracy only ; and
there was not a single allegation in the indictment to the effect
that the meeting was unlawful. He submitted, therefore, that
the mottoes on the placards were not evidence which the Court
could receive.
The Attorney-General said that in the case of the King
against Hunt, the defendants were convicted upon the count
charging them with having held an unlawful meeting. The
present case varied from that in no respect except this,
that the present was an indictment for a conspiracy to do that
which had been done by the defendants in the case of the
King against Hunt. And was he to be told that he could
not, upon the authority of that case, show what had occurred
at a meeting held by the traversers—these traversers being
charged in the indictment with a conspiracy, and with having,
for the purpose of the conspiracy, assembled large numbers of
people? He was only proceeding to show the character of
the assembly from the nature of the banners and flags dis-
played there. It was the first time he had ever heard that
Lord Tenterden, Mr. Justice Best, and Mr. Justice Bailey
had decided what was absurd.
Alr. Fitzgibbon observed that he did not say they had de-
cided what was absurd ; he said they had refused to do what
was absurd.
Mr. Whiteside supported the objection taken to the reception
of the proffered evidence. That was, he contended, a totally
different case from the case of the King against Hunt, for in
that latter case the specific charge against the defendants was
that they had held an unlawful assembly. The Crown had no
more, right to bring forward the evidence they offered than they
would have to charge a person going to Donnybrook with
having passed under a banner at Ciontarf.
The Lord Chief Justice said that unless the Court were to
overrule deccled eases, and the principles of common sense,
the mottoes on those flags and banners might be given in evi-

dente, for the purpose of showing what was the real character
of the meeting.
Mr. Justice Perrin said that the acts and declarations of
the assembly in question were clearly evidence to show what
were its objects and its nature. As he understood the evidence
it was this—an arch had been put up in a public passage; the
place for holding the meeting being not at all remote from it as
Donnybrook was from Clontarf. And if that arch were al-
allowed to remain there, surely that was evidence to show that
that was the act of those who were engaged in holding that as-
sembly. The case was not exactly the same as those cases
which had been cited by the Attorney-General ; but the prin-
ciple was the same, and applied equally to them all.
The examination of the wi!ness was then resumed. He
said—On one side of the banner were the words, " The slave
master may brandish his whip, but we are determined to be
free." On the other side were the words—" Beware ! physical
force is a dangerous experiment to try on the Irish people;
Repeal shall not be put down by the bayonet." The Roman
Catholic chapel of Tullamore is nearly opposite the corn
market where the meeting was held. 'I here was to motto
placed on the chapel door. There was a motto placed almost
opposite to it. It was to this effect—" Ireland her Parliament,
or the world in a blaze." That was on a Sunday. The greater
number of the people at the meeting had passed under the arch.
There was a motto on a wall nearly opposite the platform
to the following effect Ireland was not, ought not to be,
will not be, a serf nation." There were nine or ten other
mottoes placed near the platform. Among them was the
following :—" He Who commits a crime strengthens the
enemy —God save the Queen." " See the Conquering Hero
comes." " Repeal," and under that word, the words
" Justice and prosperity to all creeds and classes." The
crowds continued coming into the town from about ten to
about one o'clock. I counted nine temperance bands which
came into Tullamore that day. Some of the people came in
on horseback. The horsemen advanced four a-breast. They
appeared to advance in order. There were about three
hundred horsemen. The crowds on foot could not keep
the same order, and the temperance bands themselves
were borne onwards by the crowd. One of the horsemen
wanted to stop, when another said to him, " d—n you, why
don't you keep the ranks?" There were persons giving di-
rections to the crowd generally as to the order of marching—
ordering them as they were getting them into line.
The Attorney-General-1 see, marshalling them.
The counsel for the traversers complained of the remark.
Examination resumed—Mr. O'Connell had, I believe,
arrived' the night before. I believe it was durirrg, the night
that the arch was erected. Mr. O'Connell and the other gen-
tlemen ascended the platform at a quarter after two o'clock.
The meeting was over about four. (The witness identified Mr.
O'Connell and Mr. Steele as being present on the occasion.)
I was about twelve yards from the platform. I took a few
notes of what Mr. O'Connell said. I will read from that
note a few passages :—" He was certain of repeal ;" he called
Lord Beaumont "a desperate fellow ;" he alluded to Sir Robert
Peel having declared that he would prefer civil war to the
granting of Repeal ; and Mr. O'Connell then said that " he
hurled at him a high and haughty defiance." Ile afterwards
asked the people if they would be ready to meet him there
again ; but thinks he went on to say that he would not want
them, or something to that effect. I estimate the number of
persons from 60,000 to 70,000, exciusive of the inhabitants of
the town. The members of the bands had fancy dresses—some
white, some green and white.
Cross examined by Mr. Hern—l have a knowledge of
short-hand. I was apprised of the intention to hold the
meeting in question. I attended it as it was my duty to
do ; and I reported it to my superior officers as it was also my
duty to do. I was almost twelve or fourteen yards from
Mr. O'Connell when he spoke. Heard him speak about
Ribbonism; but just at that particular time I lost the
thread of the discourse.—(Laughter.) It was according as
Mr. (t'Connell spoke high or low that I was able to hear or other-
wise. There were a great number of men, women, and children
at the meeting, which passed off most peaceably. There was
no riot or disturbance at the meeting, nor was there a ten-
dency to disturbance—nor was there any necessity for the
attendance of the police. I thought that the order
observed, in respect to the meeting, tended to prevent
accidents. Never before saw so large a meeting. Had
seen fairs, and markets, and funerals, but nothing like
such a concourse of people as attended the meeting. Went to
the place of meeting the night before it took place. I am not
positive that I saw the arch of which I spoke on Saturday
night. The motto of which I spoke—namely, " Repeal
or a blaze," I did not see the night before the meeting.
It was there on the Sunday morning. I will not swear that
it was taken down before the meeting took place. Will not
swear that it was not taken down by Mr. Steele. I was at
the meeting. I was in the stores over the platform. I took
down the several mottos that were posted about the place of
meeting and on the platform. I saw the motto, " Repeal, or
Ireland in a blaze," at 12 o'clock on the day of the meeting.
I took down the motto, " Patience and Perseverance."
Mr. Henn—Was not " Obedience to the Laws" on the
same banner ?
The Attorney-General—l object to this. If these words
were there, let Sir. Hems prove it in a proper manlier.
Mr. Henn—Sure I have a right to know if he saw the words
to which I have referred.
Can you, witness, see as well as hear? I hope there is no
objection to that.
Witness-1 can—there were a great number of women at the
meeting. I did not see any ladies coming Irons church at the
time. I saw a banner with " God save the Queen" on it. I
don't know that I saw a banner with " The Queen, God bless
her" on it. I don't know that I took all the mottoes down, but
I took all that were publicly exposed, all that were across the
streets and on the platform. I will not swear that 1 took down
all the mottoes, but 1 did take down the principal ones. I don't
recollect seeing a banner with " The Rose, Thistle, and Sham-
rock," and " 'She Queen, God bless tier," on it. Received di-
rections on the Saturday to attend the meeting. I did so. and
on the Monday I forwarded my report.
Mr. Neal Brown, a Magistrate of Tullamore, was next
called and examined by Mr. Napier—l remember the Repeal
'sleeting held in Tullamore in July last. About one o'clock
on the Sunday that. the meeting was held I was in my house,
and saw the people coming into the town from the west-
ward. I did not go to church that day, in order that
I might be in readiness if required. There were bands
o, music with the processions, and they played as the
procession passed round the church to the place of meeting.
This was about half-past two o'clock in the day. I saw Mr.
O'Connell and Sir. Steele there. The procession passed along
_fifteen abreast. I saw the people coming from church. They
came through my field. That was not the usual way. The
usual way was to go down the street that the procession came
up. There were three bands. They had uniforms. Some
of them had, in addition, scales on their shoulders. They came
down in columns about five abreast, and preserved good order
except in one or two places.
Cross. examined by Mr. Moore, Q.C.—have been a stipen-
diary magistrate at Tullamore since 26th September, 1539.
'I he bands I have mentioned were all temperance bands. 1 had
never heard of such bands until about two years sinee.
Had you heard of them long antecedent to the meeting ?
Yes, but not antecedent to meetings of a similar description.
They played tunes, but Ido not know what they were. I was
the officer who, through the inspector, directed Stewart,
the last witness, to attend the meeting. I had received direc-
tions to do so from my superior officer, on my report that such
a meeting was likely to take place. 'There was no riot occur-
red at the meeting, nor any in the town until eleven o'clock at
night. Roscrea is about thirty miles from 'Tullamore.
James Johnson, sworn and examined by Mr. Sergeant War-
ren—l am a head constable in the Sligo constabulary. I was
present at the meeting in Longford, on the :29th of May. It
was a Repeal meeting. I made an estimate of the numbers
present, and should say they amounted to 40,000 or 50,000.
Severa'_ were on horseback, and drawn up in regular array.
They were accompanied by bands in many instances, and some
of those bands had uniform caps and frocks. I saw several
mottoes exhibited on large pieces of calico.
Mr. Sergeant Warren—Tell the jury what those mottoes
were.
Witness—There was " Cead mule failthe"—" Ireland for the
Irish and the Irish for Ireland"--" He who commits a crime
gives strength to the enemy"--" Breathes there a man"—
" Welcome Erin's bright star"--" Repeal and no separation"
—" A population of nine millions is too great to be dragged
at the tail of another nation," &c., &c.) At that meeting
Messrs. O'Connell and Sheil—( Great laughter)—no, Steele
—were present. The chairman—known as Count Nugent—
said that the Irish would get all they wanted if
they attended to their priests. He talked of landlords and
property, and said that Ireland was able to supply all her own
is rusts. He called upon all true-hearted Irishmen to rally
round the standard of Repeal. A priest (Mr. O'Beirne) said
that this was not a time to give a silent vote, and that every
Irishman should rally round the Repeal standard—that Ireland
would again be raised to the dignity of a nation, and would
cease to be legislated for by those who were ignorant of her
condition and hostile to her pi asperity. fle then asked " Have
we a voice in the Legislature?" and a voice in the crowd an.
swcreds "No; -no." At the termination of the proceedings
three cheers were given for the Repeal, and three hearty cheers
for the Repeal of the Union.—(Laughter.)
Who was the next speaker ?—I did not know his name, but
he said that personal sacrifices should be made, and that no
man deserved to be esteemed who now deserted the cause'of re-
peal. The next who followed spoke of the coercion of Ireland
Some twenty years ago, amid as to the next speaker he cou!d not
take anything he said. The next speaker he knew was Mr.
O'Connell.
Tell the jury what Mr. O'Connell said.—He spoke against
Ribbon societies, against illegal oaths, and said that the Re-
pealers were peaceable, but that they were attacked (by the
Government), but they stood on their defence—that Peel and
Wellington might, pass their Acts of Parliament, but they
would find that lie (Mr. O'Connell) would drive a coach and
six through an m.
When Sir. O'Connell spoke of Ribbonism, did he in the
same tone of voice did, but there was a pause which
struck hiM as peculiar, which might be understood by himself,
or by those he addressed. He also spoke of the linen trade ;
and that he would, in the Irish Parliament, punish those in an
exemplary manlier who were now opposed to him ; that it was
as preposterous for the temporalities of Ireland to be allocated
to the Church—the Church of the minority—as fur one man
to ask another to pay fsr his education ; that repeal would give
fixity of tenure, by which landlords would be obliged to give
leases of twenty-one years—here there were several shouts of
hurra, hurra—to give the landlord Isis rights, but that they
should perform their duty.
Is that the entire of what Mr. O'Connell said ?—He also
said the Union had carried away 9,000,000/. of money which
ought to have been spent in Ireland. That they would not
continue under the dominion of the Saxon which ground
them to dust, and then there was a pause after he said, we
were never canquered—that Ireland must be Ireland—we will
be liberated—we will fight for Repeal end liberty—when I
want you again, I will let you know the day:"
Did you hear Mr. Steele speak ?—Yes, but took no note of
his speech.
Cross-examined by Mr. Fi' zgibbon—Did you know the gen-
tleman you designated by the name of Priest O'Donnell?—
No. He never saw him before that day. lie was a stranger
to. him. He was about fifteen yards rather in the rear of the
platform. The speakers' backs were to him, so that he felt it
difficult to hear .what they said. Wrote the papers on whirls
his notes were on -a window-sill. Ile did not reside in that
place. • He was sent there on duty, and he was on duty when
writing those papers. Ile was sent there to observe the ntsiet-
ing, and take notes.
Mr. O'Connell, you say, made a pause ? A significant
pause ?—Yes, a very significant pause.
What did it signify ?—lt might be known to himself and
those he addressed.
Was the language known to the 40,000 ?—I do not think his
voice could be heard b y the 40,(100.
Were you behind him whin made that mighty Cause ?
I was.

Turn your back to the jury, and show what kind of pause
Mr. O'Connell made ?—I do not know the jury.
The jury being pointed out, he turned his back cn them
amidst great laughter.
Will you express that pause ?—I cannot express it.
Did you see Mr. O'Connell's face when he made the pause?
—Mr. O'Connell uttered—" 1 am talking of the pause."
Did you see his face then ?—I cannot nose recollect.
You cannot then recollect whether you saw his back or his
face ?—lt must be the one or the other.
How long was that pause—that significant pause ?—lt might
be about three or four or five seconds, but not certain.
Di.l he make only one pause ?—He did.
several ?—Yes, but not such a pause as the one noticed.
The pause of three or four seconds was the longest he made?
—Yes.

What did he say during the pause?—(Great laughter).
What did he say before the pause? What were the subjects

he was then on ?—They were too rapid—my memory cannot
now suggest them.
Here witness looked over his notes—a long, old, torn
paper—and said, "He (Mr. O'Connell) spoke of Saxon or
pression—of beit:g ground to the dust—never being con-
quered"—then he made the pause.—(Laughter.) " They
were never conquered"—again a pause. I arrived
(continued witness) in Longford on the 27th, and the meeting
was held on Sunday. There were no riots there. 1w as not
sorry for that. The people came into the meeting in
a most disorderly manner, leaping, and shouting, and
brandishing their sticks, but, ot course, they were not
going to quarrel with one another. I did not hear the testirronY
ot the last witness. This conduct was exhibited by large
bodies of men as they came to the place of meeting, from ten
o'clock until two o'clock in the afternoon, when Mr. O'Con-
nell arrived. Indeed, the people were in a sweating
rage of excitement.—(Laughter.) They were led on by per-
sons whom I believe to be priests. I saw no sticks in the
priests' hands that I can recollect. I saw some of the parties
pulling ethers off the platform, and I might have seen a ron-
mentary anger arise, but will not swear that it did. I was in
the house of Needham the chandler at the time. There were
no policemen there; indeed, they dare not appear. I was not
afraid because by the directions of my superior I was in eo-
loured clothes. the meeting was perfectly obedient to Mr.
O'Connell's orders.
Was it loud shouting that you heard ? It was.
Then every person must have heard it as well as you?--I
suppose so. I might have heard the shouting further off from
the spot where I stood.

And you must have seen the winding of sticks?—l did.
It was a very remarkable thing, was it not ?—Yes.
And you saw no police there except between the hours of
eight and ten in the morning. I saw police there in the early
part of the morning. I would say about eight to ten o'clock.
Did you see policemen in the streets till eleven o'clock ? c
might have seen an odd ORe.—( A laugh.)
Was he armed ?—lle may hare hail arms.
Mr. Warren—Did you ever hear of a cat's-paw ?—Yes, gni
I have heard of persons being made cat's-paw s.—( Laughter'
Mr. Fitzgibbon—That arises from the course of my exanii-
nati,,n. I heard of an exclamation the other slay as coming
from one of her Majesty's Couzisel, and I now add that that Was
said by one of her Majesty's sergeants, as arising out of my
cross-examination.
The Court then adjourned until ten o'clock to-morrow.

REPEAL ASSOCIATION.
The usual weekly meeting of the Association took place on
Monday at the Conciliation hall.
There seemed to be an increased degree of interest about
the proceedings of the day, as, for a long period before the hour
appointed, the building presented a crowded appearance.
At two o'clock Mr. Maurice O'Connell entered, accent*
panied by William Smith O'Brien, M. P., Caleb Powell, M.P.'
and several other gentlemen.
On the motion of Mr. Maurice O'Connell,
William Smith O'Brien, 111. P., was called to the chair,
amidst the most rapturous applause.
The Chairman—Gentlemen, I feel overpowered by the con-
gratulation with which you have received me ; but I must not
be misled. I feel that this congratulation is
not so much the
reward of past services, but an incitement to renewed exertions.
Gentlemen, at any time I would have felt it an honour to be
called to preside over a meeting of an Asscciation which pos•
senses the confidence of many millions, but doubly so under the
circumstances of the present moment. I feel that we are at
a crisis of the nation's fate and posterity shall tender its grati-
tude to those men who shall safely conduct the people in the
hour of their danger.—( Cheers.) I entered the room withexultation and with hope, for 1 am not deterred by t"e
menaces of the Attorney- General. —( Loul and long-continued
cheering.) It is true that your leaders are taken from you at
the present moment.—( Hear, hear.) It is true that wall
have been taken to procure a verdict, of what kind I will o'l
say, but which will deprive it of all moral worth._(Hear)i
But I cannot believe that any jury, however composed, well
surrender the rights and liberties of our country._( Hear).
But I still feel exultation and hope, when I know that the
people are determined to maintain the privileges which are our
birthright. I came here to tell the Attorney-General that,
though not ambitious of martyrdom, if he wants another
victim I present myself to him.—( Tremendous cheering). Are
there not many that arc ready to go to prison for the cause °f
their country?(Cheers, and cries of "Yes, yes," and Every
one of us.") Well, then, we tell the Government that every
man is ready to go to prison in defence of his constitutional
rights—( Hear, hear, and cheers)—and let us ask them will
they, or any Government, venture to build prisons large
enough to hold them all ?—( Cheers and laughter.) But,
sso
Gentlemen, I told you I entered the Aciation wrtb
feelings of exultation and with hope ; and I did so because
1 see a spirit of nationality rising through the country ill
consequence of the exec tions of this Association. I see tbio,
national feeling evinced in the rising movement in favour 11,
Federalism—l see it evinced in the meeting which trt
place in Charlemont House.—( Hear, hear, and Cli-ers.)
time is coming when the Caulfields, the Geraldines, and Of
De Burghs will take their proper station at the head of the Irish
people. I know not whether those speeches were justly re;
ported; but I find that Lord Miltown, and my friend, Loll
Stuart, have asserted that if the rights of the country be 0°
conceded, they will join the great confederation of the peoplei
—( Hear, and cheers.) I cannot forget that Lord Stuart was pot
ashamed to enrol himself with me in the Catholic Association;
The conduct of the Government has created doubt in his rail
whether he ought not again to enrol himself; and why should Itne
be so ?—why are we forbidden the name and rights of a nation,.
The Englishman is proud of his country. The Scotchrnao is
proud of his country. The Frenchman thinks there io
country in the world like his own ' • and the Circassian has ery
countered the colossal power of Russia in defence of his tree-
dom ; and shall Ireland be the only country in which nationality
is forbidden ?—( Cheers. ) But a spirit of patriotism does
exist, I believe, both within and out of the holy plitiel
(Hear, hear.) And I would remind you, my friends, that th_e
cannot be called a national movement which does not include the.
Protestants ; for, we cannot shut our eyes to the file'
that as yet (though many Protestants of high family have
joined us) there is a coldness among that class towards the
movement. We must conciliate the Protestants—we must re-
move their prejudices, and convince them that we do not seett
an ascendancy, and that you are determined to protect the
rghts of conscience.—(Cheers.) I came here, then, to offer f
to you my services—( Hear, hear)—abilities I have not ; but I
have some experience in public affairs, a patient and persever-
ing industry, and a resolute Irish heart.—( Cheers.)
The Chairman then read the following letter from Mr. John
O'Connell :

" Four Cow ts, Dublin, Jan. 22, 1844.
"My Dear Sir,--As I find lam not to be allowed to attend
my duty in the Association this day, may I beg of you t:Lo;
for me that the committee for collecting evidence reap
and is every odeiq re-
land tenure is steadily pursuing its inquiries,
the.
ceiving a very large number of letters from on parts
sou
country, detailing sad stories of sufferings from the opPrea
and
of bad landlords. We punctually abstract these documents'
af forward r
contains
msepdeicaitaell y
requestafterwards t
o that
at
to
eLordffe t
_Devon r
vai
pis. such loetth.t.oe.;;
to be made use of when his Lordship's
the localities to which they refer.
" Permit me to express my humble, but most anxious lop!!
that every friend to the people, and to the peace of the
country, will endeavour to do away will the dangerous misar
prehension the peasantry in various places labour under, in sup"
posing that Lord Devon's commission is empo A ered to relieve
ort
their distresses, or to do anything further than report up
commission shall VOID
them to the Goverment.
" Simply this commission was intended as a delusion by this
miserable Government ; and were even a good report to L-'
furnished them by Lord Devon's commission, it would never
be acted upon by them.
In great haste; faithfully yours,
JOHN O'CONNELL'
Mr. Stritch, Mr. Reilly, and Mr. APNevin handed je 3
shilling each, which they had received from the Attorney'
General.--(Much laughter followed this subscription.)
Mr. Maurice O'Connell handed in 30/, from Tile°3ls
Lyons, late Mayor of Cork. ffe
Caleb Powell, Esq., M.P., addressed the meeting. ~
had to apologise for net having availed himself of the Priv'
lege which had been conferred on bins by the Associatie.°.
Ile did not consider himself bound to enter into the merits
of the Repeal question, as the Attorney-General had fully „„
gued in favour of the measure, and agitated it sufficiently in the
Court of Queen's Bench.—( Hear, and laughter.) •
Mr. O'Connell entered the Hall about a quarter to Ore!
o'clock, and was received in the most enthusiastic manner,
He said that, as he was under the imperative necessity of
vireed
turning to the place he came from, he begged to be all° ,
to say a few words ; but, before he did so, he could not Pre
vent himself from congratulating the Association on the Pre,
,
sence of Mr. Smith O'Brien in the chair. You, Sir (addre-hse
ing the Chairman), are in your natural place at the head et
people of Ireland—you are in the place of your ancestor, 1365 n
,1
the brave.—( Hear, hear, and loud cheers,) The Leartlee
Gentleman congratulated the Association on the perfect Peatice
and order which subsisted throughout the country. ti,
strongly recommended that Catholic societies should be ens
tuted in every town and parish of Ireland; and that the coo
stituency of Ma)°, Ennis, Clare, Tralee, Cork, and 31e,a
should call on their representatives to absent themselves Ol
fi
Parliament, except on some very extrordinary occasion, and to
0
take their stand in the Association to
guide and direct t
people, should some five or six of them be locked up sante fine'
morning. After same further remarks Mr. O'Connell W"
drew, and
Mr. O'Neil, of Bunowen Castle, addressed the meeting at
some length.
Mr. Maurice O'Connell handed in 30/. from Omagh, and
r
201. from Belfast. He warned the meeting that the tine for
201. from Belfast. He warned the meetine that the tiissd
the election of the poor-law guardians was-o
drawing nears be
that if they did not exert themselves they would lose the
befit of the Municipal Corporation Act.
Town Councillor Reynolds next addressed the meeth'-elast
He had travelled much through the country within t-Aeter-
ten days ; and he there stated that the people were
Der,
mined, no matter what was the result of these trials, t° 0
severe in their exertions for Repeal of the Union. Therefri:g
a report that the Government intended to pass a Bill ina',,"ecl,
it penal to agitate the question ; but if such an Act was Pas"
• hei%florr.onDeohweonu3i,d, fbeaerlriitstaerc,remditadteo diasobloe,yisuscp WZ-
heta.chla.w.l,lo.ap,sireodf
were the- people to be angry at these prosuecutions-05 rt
.‘No, no" 1— or were they to give up ?—(Cries of " "'jot
never.") No, never. Let the people persevere, and theY
be triumphant.—( Cheers. )
A t'five o'clock Mr. John O'Connell entered amid loud cheers.
Several sums of money having been handed in, - . 961'
11Ir. Maurice O'Connell announced the rent to be 3
19s. Id. the
Mr. Caleb Powell was then called to the chair, and the
thanks of the meeting having been given to the chairmen'
meeting separated. •

A. balloon ascent took place on Sunday at Toul°ll,shei
which nearly terminated in the death of Mme. Lartet,
aeronaut. After several pilot balloons had been sent Mme. Lartet entered the car about three o'clock,
having cut cut the rope, ascended. Atter floating about fora
short time, the balloon went towards St. Pierre, an,dithneot
began to descend most rapidly. Mine. Lartet co"' -the
manage the apparatus, which, it would appear 6.'1 nt-
Toulouse papers, was incompletely formed on
Su a'
golfier's plan, and fell into the Garonne. She was ,„;
ported for some time by the balloon, and boat 113sb'3e
put out rescued her just as she was about to sink' ads
was taken to an inn in the neighbourhood, and after":i to
to a private house, where every attention being Pion.
her, she soon recovered from the effects other homers
_ne
This is the third time that she has fallen into the Gar°s
with her balloon.—French paper. cog A
AN EASY MANNER mu 1-kCQUIRINH WrIl" Nor-
DINNER PARTY.—As some wine was delivering from hi;
with Wine Company's pony barrow, in St. Andrew's, o
bavjed
nesday last, two ligh g
t fingered etry, it is presumed,
party of friends to dine with thnem, and not being P.re-pot,
either with a sufficient stock or variet for their entertamurow,
took the liberty of extracting from the basket in the bar of
„A no
one bottle of 1 b 34 port, two bottles of champagne, °,l ea'
calcavella ; which it is hoped they fully appreciated an.
_O.O
joyed, without any inconvenience to the gallant officer the) "
intended for.— Norfolk Chronicle. „ 500
THAMES TUNNEL.—Last week, 95,311 r-r
visited this structure. cc I belie

THE -LADIES.—A quaint writer says :-- :for fear
seen women so delicate, that they are afraid to ride!, bast
of the horses running away; afraid to sail for fear 173 but
might overset; afraid to walk, for fear the dew might fall
I never knew one afraid to be married !"