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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY MORNING, APRIL 20, 1844,

Ciwn LITERATURE.
vii;CII OF ENGLAND QUARTERLY RE-
-41. IVO. XXX. Painter, London, 1844.
14;He "History of the Wars of the Fronde," a work
tetY üblishe by the Count de St. Aulaire, French
Ambassadorat th C •t of St. James's, forms the
, e ou
the'itt of a hasty and slight, but amusing notice in
present number of this journal. The Reviewer
wartilly insists on the childishnes and want of faith
kndsi that characterises the majority of those
those
,_wno took part in those wars, and with justice
;
_ k„were was scarcely a man among them all who
there
or cared what he'was fighting about; even the
aianrt party, with Anne of Austria and the wily Car-
.„l Mazarin at their head, who might have been
Posed
zetain he terribly in earnest in their efforts to
at Possession of their despotic authority, were con-
atts„tLlY changing their views, shifting their ground of
Asi'l and giving way to their apprehensions; while,
regards the heads of the movement party, they were
:ffurtiocichanging sides, with unparalled expedition and
lit
the erY---ene day fighting in the foremost ranks of
Frondeurs, the next offering their •
~swords
ritt) as in the case of the Prince de onde—a sort
t C
ilitisP,r4ileged turn-coat, who sided with either party,
en; as Suited his whim, his interest, or his conveni-
ter;:' In all the voluminous records of ancient or
ti ern
history, there is no chapter so absurd, so
I,l..vvith the materials of the richest farce, as that
thue'eh relates to the wars of the Fronde. In,
ther,, ; 11°tice of "Doctor Bloomfield's Thucydides '
is not much critical comment of value, but we
hiztul,stead a biographical sketch of the great Greek
everriani together with a rapid summary of his
~1"/ a man and as a writer. This summary is
espee,."'gested in point of matter, and is full of truth,
oerta:4"Y the following remark,:—" Thucydides as-
dour 'Tied his facts correctly, and threw his own ar-
kidthin.to the scene by making himself an actor in it,
tinder
Inkg how he should have spoken and acted
ter similar circumstances. 's hi, he did without :it
the :IsifYing history, though the words may net be
of the words used on the occasion, fur the character
kiiA4a speaker, as well as the actual state of thing,s,
the results, are all scrupulously attended to.
eort,s!lteformation Unavoidable " is a difficult and
itiorrt'lleted subj ect treated wi.ll temper, and with
to I.Te fairness than we should have expected. " Doc-
" is a notice of a relig ous novel, pub-
-;
a few months since, and which is snore remark-
-441,!1. its zeal than its ability. We quote from the
eith on the Fronde some amusing details connected
the Prince de Conde :
Piths was characteristic enough of IV azarint that while
tlrds; Ills in this condition, and the Parliament had
self heu the Princes to be :estored to fri e•lom, he him-
troth.aatened to Havre, to give liberty to Con. 6 and his
(Old `P' as though the boon came from the Cardinal,
kin. of from the people and Parliament. The icilyatdister employed every means to acquire the friendship
Ist operation of the man he hail betrayed ; but the
124 'lad present thoughts but for hi, triumph ; he
hturit,ed from Havre, leaving the Cardinal to seek a
dote in some one of the fortifh d towns of the king-
nit '„a,nd entering Paris like a conqueror. he rep aired ti
Its %Mace, to manifest his joyful respects to the Quet. a.
Kbi" la}' pale, haggard, and enraged, in bed. '1 he
is;:e4, no less volatile than the Prince, cheered him on
vies turn to freedom, even as they had cheered when he
tame ragged to captivity. The power of his house be-
4tiegreater than ever. Mazann was an exile ; the
The -m without influence ; and the Parliament despised.
riti_aoht belonging in the triumph of the Prince, as a
th,,,,h to their order ; and there is no d nibt
‘‘'llis,tuis was the period when the suggestion was first
thefeed into Condi's ear to seize upon the person of
ofyo v 1 g e, who .was yet a minor, and so posse's himsel,
"14 tZre'go and supreme authority. And t;ow, too, it
tam uat the French clergy, in a body, first openly
t4,74'tised t he cause of the nobility against the Yet
1)114 and people ; and the opposing factions were the
elitil;eakses and magistracy against the aristocracy and the
,Pespecu,' The nobles, confident in their position, so little
'kit, Led the power of the Great Chamber, that, on the
to th remonstrating against the factious union opposed
ra, the chiefs of the aristocracy threatened to pro-
in°,...the Parliament, and fling the President and his
'lltho-Vile river ! In this struggle, however, the legal
Ittim„."lea remained victorious ; for Condi, after re-
his see'"g neutral for a time, gave them the advantages of
4f,'llosc,,„atet ‘3-operation ; and out of the intrigues which
xtiee„4, but which we have not time to narrate, the
ittitla„-',,the Cardinal, and Conde himself, rose to power
be74ority. But it was again the fate of the last to
,tettretaaYed, and that by ,the Queen, who hated and
ntilkidna, and who did not rest till he was again a pro-
th Land flying enemy. His terror was so great, that,
"tthe "Lead of a body of armed men, he fled at.early
'Ned",efore a corps of pursuers, which daylight reci
ti.ttiltr,,L° be nothing but a number of old women an
'llesl.4l going to market on high trotting donkeys !
%NI Partaking for a while of the gaieties of St. Maur,
841 eating Goudi in Paris, plotting against him in per-
Ves*here an air of sanctity and the society of the
kirit.! 11 day were exchanged by this licentious priest
4Lithtr,4l(en orgies and the c4mpany of his mistresses by
*;t11 '°lld4 took heart at length, and boldly returned
notfieapital to overcome his enemies in general, and
~.L
"IN was moving the Frondeurs and the Parlia-
toe%flung
that g lbst him, in particular. These two foes met in
reproaches and in, actives at each
hatf after day, and excited such universal interest,th„,tir thousand citizens escorted the public mistress
Aky CorhArehhishop, for such Gondi now was, on her
N „ear the debates that concerned her lover and the

ance. He is about six feet high, and with a very
upright military bearing, and altogether an exceed-
ingly fine looking man for his age. Behind him
came two officers leading his son, the Crown Prince,
who, as all the world knows and regrets, is incur-
ably blind. When the Prince was seated, the officers
immediately disappeared. Until the Royal pair had
seated themselves, the congregatian remained stand-
ing. The Crown Peince se-med to know the service
most accurately, fir he stool, kneeled, and sat at
different parts of it, with the utmost exactitude, and
answered each of the responses, as did also his father,
in the most pious and feeling tone. He seems, how-
ever, to be troubled with St. Vitus' dance, for, when-
ever I see him, he is continually fidgeting with his
sword or buttons, and incessantly moving and throw-
ing his arms about in the strangest and most ludicrous
manner; but really whether he has this dreadful af-
fection of the nerves or not, I do not know, but rather
think it is merely a bad habit.
At the second service, where the sacrament was to
be taken, it was most sorrowful and melancholy to
behold the aged and broken-down King (now the
oldest sovereign in Europe, since the death of the
King of Sweden) leading and guiding to and from
the communion table, with care and solicitude, his
blind and feeble son, who, by the natural rule, should
be the prop and support of his declining years, and
who, though endowed with the most striking physical
beauty and strength of form. is still rendered weak
and powerless as a child, by the ever-to-be-deplored
loss of his eye-sight.
Even the worst enemies of the King of Hanover
have ever allowed him, when he was the Duke, to
have been a zealous, and some have said a bi-
goted churchman ; but, as the King, I must say
he does not deserve to retain that once-prized title,
and this is principally shown by the utter dis-
regard he exhibits of the Sunday. Each F,e-
renth day are seen before the palace or castle,
lights blazing and guards parading, all of which
indicate that his Majesty is about to make
merry with his subjects, This treating the Sunday
in the same manner as another day, is a custom
among all the Christians in Europe, except those of
England; and Ernest Augustus cannot therefore he
greatly blamed if he makes this concession to the
Hanoverians on becoming their king. He should
not, however, go farther than this, nor attempt to
compel his own countrymen, who may still retain the
prejudices of their fatherland, to do the same, as has
lately been the case by his requiring the attendance
of the British Ambassador at all his Sunday parties.
He has only a short time since commenced giving
these Sunday balls, and to the first Mr. Bligh was,
as a matter of course, invited, but declined attending.
A few days afterwards, so runs the story, there was a
grand diplomatic dinner at the palace, at which the at-
tendance of his British Excellency was not requested.
The affronted Ambassador inquire l the cause, but
receiving no satisfactory answer, wrote to England,
demanding instructions as to how he should act; but
Lord Aberdeen refused interfering in such matter,
and entirely left it to Mr. Bligh's own choice as to
his attending the Sunday soirees or not. The end of
the matter, as rumour goes, is, that his Excellency
now repairs every Sunday, makes his bow to the
King, and then hurries away, and drives home again
as fast as possible; thus, at the same time, satisfying the
King's commands, and not in the slightest disturbing
the serenity of his own conscience. There is like-
wise a report that the King's English chaplain also
attends, and, what is still more, dances every Sun-
day; but this is such an unlikely matter that I can-
not give any credence to it. The King, it is said,
takes the greatest delight also in society, notwith-
standing his age, and goes hobbling about from per-
son to person, talking with the greatest satisfaction to
himself, though in the most abominable German that
ever affrighted a human tympanum. In consequence
of the horror it is reported the King has for German,
English has become the fashionable language, scarcely
anything else being spoken at the Court. After
church• time (although, indeed, his attendance is any-
thing hut regular), he takes a walk through the town,
as, indeed, he does on most fine days, always leaning
upon the arm of, and chatting with, an Adjutant. I
suspect that if any person who bore the title of
Majesty, was to take it into his head to walk through
the streets of any large town in England, his life and
reign would not, through the pressure of the mob
certain to follow at his Royal heels, be of long
duration ; but here, as through all Germany is
the custom, the King goes about, looking into the
shops and scrutinising the soldiers' uniforms, as
coolly as possible, and enjoying himself like other
people. But what I particularly remark is, that few
persons salute him, in the usual German way, by
taking off the hat, as is always done to the Crown
Prince and his amiable consort. No person ever
thinks of looking after the King, or turning round
to stare at him, as would be the case in England ;
but, on the contrary, FO little are the people excited
by the presence of royalty, that I have seen some of
the lower orders whistle as they have pas,ed him.
One of royal blood goes about with as little attention
paid to them as to other people ; and the Crown
Princess walks from shop to shop, with her footman
behind, greeted always by the flying off of the hat, or
the low curtsey; but still by a natural politeness be-
longing to the Germans, she is never incommoded by
being watched or stared at.
The English in Hanover are, at this moment, any-
thing but numerous, though, when the Duke of
Cambridge was here, there were a great many. The
national character has suffered seriously by the dis-
graceful conduct of some of our countrymen, who,
by bad luck, have been here. There were lately
some strange transactions by a paymaster, sent by
the English Goverment for the purpose of paying
the pensions to the members of the German Legion,
which for some time, was in England, and atter-
wards in the Peninsula ; and the publicity that
attended them has done great harm among the
lower orders to the English character. There have
also been some madmen here, who, with a great pre •
ponderance of money over wit, have played most
unheard-of and extraordinary tracks; and the general
belief among the canaille is, that every Englishman
is a sort of insane Crcesus, who goes flying about
,rom country to country for the sole object of being
cheated. That there is some truth in the remark can-
not be doubted, since it would he difficult to discover
for what possible purpdse Englishmen go and thrust
their noses into every state, town, and village through-
out the civilised, and, indeed, sometimes through the
uncivilised world. If it is for the purpose of being
ridiculed and laughed at, their object is gained to the
utmost extent, since their depth and intensity of
curiosity is the laughing stock of all Europe. The
manner in w hich the Germans ridicule the flock of
cockneys on the Rhine, who fly from England every
summer, is most laughable to hear; and the jokes
and tricks said to have been played on their igno-
rance should give most Englishmen a perfect surfeit
of travelling in such numbers together, instead of
going quietly and peaceably, each, according to their
tastes, without all the hurry and scrambling of an in-
vading army of foreigners. It is a pity that fashion,
the only despot that Englishmen bow to, does not
turn their carriage wheels to all the beautiful scenery
of their own kingdoms; but as monied upstarts
among the English are the most vulgar of mankind,
so they are constantly vigorous in their efforts to be
ever a la mode.

lt h
oYAL FAMILY of HANOVER.
t k ht, (From the Liverpool Journal.)
e3itliet,4llB. gentleman from Liverpool, who has been
t„
d' With' for some time back at Ilanover, has furni-hed
,eteese 'e following interesting particulars of the
ClieiCe life of the King of Hanover and his femily,
'tet vrfiteontinuation of a paper on the same sub-
illttlee ee" appeared in the Journal a couple of month;
or,'
1t4„4.3113 from Hanover—The English Church—Little
h‘betiilterte2ut it—Strange observances—Diplomatic. indig-
Cke Of ' Royal resentment—Appearance of the whilom
.teiert •,, .Cumberland—lnteresting particulars of the
'ether Prince—Affecting deportment of himself and
Ziereea_t, the Sacrament—Laxity of the King in high
, y 4'
Court
—Dancing and amurslemeeatsnornaaa Seuna-t
rztite, an`-, t- Popularity of . the Erie ish l e g
reree,,4the reason of it—Little respects shown to the
the ere Master of Oran semen—Attachment of all classes
ni.-'4rleeerrewn Prince—S'carcity of English residen.ts at
? the British of John Bull, and consequent estimate
(t:B.1114). leritish character by the natives—Tyranny of
'Otie,„lll England, and the ridicule it provokes on the
Vifth-"‘*--Word of advice to Cockney tourists.
'ef the 0,000 inhabitants of Hanover, who, mind-
are 4 eir business, and cang much more for their
ll'e teitt' their beer than fonthe million creeds which
tf.tir eillie°,.g this poor world to tatters, there are not
en"' efr 'llsPect for an instant, that in the heart of
laePes.eo-r-Y, and in the palace of their king, there
Tilt; thlelled every Sunday, by an English chap-
le.g°llgii service of the Church of England.
ti'ilei to rturally open as the day, and as much ee..
teNit e e known as is possible in a country where
enee° press, yet, in speaking to a native upon
jeete it is difficult to make him believe that
Ad its
such a thing as this hidden church in fals-
., its ceiew words about this mysterious institution
Op bNolders, may not prove totally uninteresting.
fetelleet I.eetning monarch of the realm of Hanover,
Nee agllstus did not resume the religion of his
nit% tileest
tie,o eq, ors, the elder Electors, but retained that
itt' feti,"er, the King's : and, accordingly, as, after
e,,,tlie ',.."es of Government, he must needs pray
11,''' iteer°d old English popery-hating fashion, it
r 4 bursary he should have a suitable place to pray
h .
...-_, the small number of his country-
it: no h
An interesting lecture on the Currency was des.
I.ll'ollle onoured his capital with their residence,
'1,4 it-0;10,11ot be worth while to build a church for his vered last evening at the George Hotel, Alderma.nbuTy,
11,,,1tp wit and he was, therefore, necessitated to under the sanction of the Society for the Emancipation
of Industry. The audience was composed of the highly
the
b. hei the same excuse for one that had been
keatie4 the
Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, at respectable traders in the neighbourhood, by whom the
lecture was well received, and at
.its close a conversation.
VI else I,e Royal dining-out Duke wee viceroy ; ensued which contributed to elucidate the prTciples of
'Leiy ‘0 order, from the Archbishop of Can- the currency, We understand the lecture is litely. to be
kitiq L -eltidElLsPe.cial minister for his chaplain. This repeated in other places in the metropolis, and we Te-
tt% ifs.parg is, as I have already stated, in the commend our readers to attend it when au opportunity
teetieels ae,e- On entering, one passes by a pair of may occur.
116 singu-
c kos) wniskered, musketed, and moustached, in DEATH OF OLD STUART, AGED - —This
on.
4tlltl t approved Prussian manner and who con- ler being lived amongst us a relic of hoar antiquity, c .
IteeliNhetreat one with the greatest 'astonishment at fleeting our era with the far-off reign of George r‘gv 11.
eas te
Af.,_,Yele,".ttl4any foreign-looking people entering_ the while, according to his own tale,unvaryingg
IA e‘ee pa-si,,rnee, as if for a deleuner with the King. lineal and the last surviving descendant of the Royal
044eceisti"ng these armed " aids to reflection," itrace of Stuart. He has this week paid the debt of
ttlitle,
vilre' to proceed through corridor after corridor, nature. Endowed with a tenacity of life of which 'we
t._ ata Y to the church, at one moment knocking have always regarded his extraordinary feats of per-
sonal strength in former days, and the extreme old age
it ',elk%) greasy cook wending to the kitchen, and then to which he reached at last, as the joint confirmation,
the4l4 a dravving-room, or, perhaps, tumbling into his time could scarcely yet be said to have come, in the
e help
t;:r, whose occupant still sleeps ; but by course of nature, for his death eas the result of an in-
oltrt last a few hussars posted here and there, one jury in the hip joint,
anxietyocesio d by a fall on Thursday
teeese than !et, right. The church itself is nothing last week. Innet get out of doors, to
-et; e large and rather shabby-looking dining- enjoy the recent sunny weather,° his foot had entangled,
osl'aati,a4d formerly where luscious odours used to and he was thrown down. Any iejury, however
‘-`lll44tespaaentled, toasts and songs went round with the was almest sure to have provt d fatal, and
aecerdingly the utmost care and skill were unavailing.
oe tleete.to_tie re are now only heard pious responses sliirht.
He expired on Thursday morning, at the a6lvanctd age
k the 1.,, "ed "Amens." In a corner, at the head
,f 116 years, 3i months. It may be satisfactory to
444, tee-ueet") there is a small pulp't for the clergy- know, now that all poor Jamie's wanderings have
:►r. 'ley- Mr. Wilkinson and close to it a small ceased, that the fund, which the kindness of a few
vets inniediately before the altar are placed three
munificent ineividuals (including our gracious Sovereign,
4 g°l4alelY adorned chairs, which ore understands and several of the leading names in the land) had
4"e• Ilee have been
Ivi,„ OPr have set there for the Kin the placed at the disposal of Mr. Jaffrey, bookseller,
el)tll,, bvv"...‘'el and the Crown ?eineesat the latterg of in Berwick, and ourselves, has amply sufficed to
ke.,°%lies e'er, but seldom attends from the fact of smooth_ the last asperities in his path ; and the old man
lately bestowed his be sling on efflr. Jaffray, and said
li .4 th' a member of the Lutheran church. Be-
ilti h e royal five six f •
of 3 royal seats are or chairs for the The.. that he hadna been e a this hander. year."
most vigilant means were adopted of administering
Ltrtile eltil"9assador, the Hon. Mr. Bligh, and the rest
to hint the comforts best suited to his peculiar case.
fereqindisass,Y; and behind these again are gaunt-And it must be t-tat, d that his wife, who is his junior by
how 4 parterl,,ninatO chairs for all who mav desire to a whole generated), tended and kept him with a care ana
cevee, kin! the congregation, the whole of whom, ae&duity truly exemplary.—Berwici and Kelso Warder.
441 fifty ~11,g ,and canaille, never amount to more EMIGRATION.—Vast numbers of emigrants, from
On last Christmas-day, when the till parts of the empire are now
.flocking to this. port, on
ktettlittilliebetellintwei:saoesPagiteei.ven, the sight was most interesting. their way to Canada and the United States, with a smaller
d for some time, I heard a clatter of number for other colonies. So numerous are they at
tiit'Y tone n the folding-doors, all speaking in an present that passages are. difficult to obtain. The ma-
oite,,oetinu'ilailen t far above them all was heard raging ity of the Scotch emigrants are for Upper Canada,
r those of this country and Ireland are for the
kit a I eve_ squeak of one of the most unmusical
At whispe,,f,"eard in my life, which some one near whilst United States. The Irish emigrants in number fully
teigils„. his ''`u. was the pi-operty of his Majesty, Ernest amount to that. of the English, Scotch, and Welsh united,
!ttekirig:in S, his all ceastd, and in w anted the met they me generally po• r people cleared off the estates
roe,.seeteie_ lie usual undress hussar uniform, his
t._e,tee,ti,singly red and broiling with anger, which, . aof the Irish landlords. During the winter months, there
e more English emigrants sailing from this port than
, (Nye . is,his snow-white whiskers and mous-
meets .4$ with ireirsh, but from some causes, perhaps a little revival in
I trade, their numbers have lately diminish. ed.—,Lperpoo/
his
Physiognomy a most odd appear- i . -
Mercury.

TAX ON THE TRANSFER OF
REAL PROPERTY.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, April 19.

Their Lordships met at the usual hour.
Several Bills from the Commons were brought up and
read a first time.

We bespeak the best attention of our readers to
the following article, which is in course of circula-
tion, by a writer who signs " Justus." It exposes
one of the grossest robberies ever committed upon the
nation, even by our class legislators :
The Premier having succeeded in imposing an in-
come-tax, for the purpose of meeting the deficiency in
the revenue, and the acknowledged inequality of such
a tax being almost universal, while its inquisitorial
operation renders it odious to a large portion of the
public—the commercial and trading classes especially
—it can scarcely be necessary to offer an apology for
suggesting measures which, if adopted, would entirely
obviate the necessity for so objectionable an enact-
ment, and render its immediate repeal practicable.
In the year 1798, Mr. Pitt brought into Parlia-
ment two Bills, one for imposing a probate and legacy
duty on personal property, the other for levying
similar duties on real property. The first-named Bill
passed into a law, and for forty-six years large sums
have been raised by its operation ; but the second Bill
was abandoned, and from that time the owners of real
property have been exempt from those contributions
to the exigencies of the State which their less for-
tunate fellow-subjects have been burdened with.
May it not be said with perfect truth, this is great
injustice ? And may it not be fearlessly asserted
that now, when the deficiency in the revenue requires
extraordinary supplies, that such an enactment of
duty on real property ought at once to be resorted to ?
Let the amount, principal and interest, for forty-six
years, be calculated which such a duty would have
produced, and it will be found that a sum of three
hundred million pounds has been retained in the cof-
fers of the landed interest. Is it not, then, high time
that such a measure should be insisted on, and ought
not the country loudly to proclaim its sense of the
injustice of such partial taxation ?
Surely, on every principle of equity and good faith,
the Government is called upon to avail themselves of
this resource, which, it is clear, would furnish so large
a supply of revenue as to render an income-tax wholly
unnecessary.
Startling as these assertions may appear, a re-
ference to figures, it is believed, will satisfy
the most incredulous. The amount of the whole
property in England, or, rather, Great Bri-
tain, has been estimated at 3,600,000,0001.; now,
assuming the w hole of it to pay duty once in
every thirty-three years, the annual amount deriv-
able therefrom would be 4,454,0001., and as the yearly
produce of the duty on personal property is about
1,869,0001., it follows that real property, which is
chiefly in the hands of the nobility and rich common-
ers, is exempted from an annual payment of about
2,585,000/., which in thirty-three years, would
amount to the enormous sum of 77,564,0001.
How long is such a state of things to exist? Within
a few weeks several of our most wealthy Peers have
been removed by death, and their enormous landed
possessions and houses have passed to their families
without one shilling being levied on the transfer, for
the use of the country; and yet who could complain
if such duties were levied ? Certainly not the dead,
and surely not the survivors, with any semblance of
justice ; for to satisfy selfishness is no part of the duty
of society, or of governments.
The less fortunate holders of personal estate are
daily and hourly contributing of their substance,
while those of them engaged in trade and commerce,
are, from dire necessity compelled to retain in per-
sonals the whole or greater part of their property,
or their operations in business would at once come to
an end ; but the landowner may add, year after year,
to his estate, and yet be exonerated from all charge
when that estate shall pass from him to his sur-
viving relatives. If our Legislators can be imbued
with these sentiments—if the British public speak
out, and demand, in firm and energetic language, the
adoption of a probate and legacy duty on real pro-
perty, then may England hope tobe relieved from the
continuance of that most hateful and oppressive im-
post, the income-tax.
In calculating the real property of Great Britain, it
must not be forgotten to include all houses that are
not leasehold ; and also growing timber. The above
calculation was made about thirty years ago ; since
which period a great increase has taken place in the
value of real property, and if an estimate were now
taken, the amount would surprise all but those who
possess it.
Sir Robert Peel says, that neither William Pitt in
the plenitude of his power, nor any minister since,
has ever been able to tax real property with the
legacy and probate duty. The reason is obvious,
that both Whigs and Tories are equally interested in
opposing such a tax.
Mr. Pitt did carry two Bills through the Commons,
one for taxing real property, and the other personal
property ; the former was carried by one vote, viz.,
the Speaker's. However, it never passed into a law,
and it asserted that the landed proprietors went to
William Pitt, as was ascertained from his secretary,
and said, " If you pass this law, you will be no longer
Prime Minister."
P.S.—ln the year 1812, Mr. Colquhoun estimated
the property of Great Britain and Ireland, at 4,000
millions sterling.
In the year 1832 Mr. Macqueen estimated the
same at 6,186 millions sterling.
If, upon this amount of property, the duty was
properly levied to any amount, a person might pos-
sess, and not allowed to stop short at one million, as
is now the case,—it being well known that very
many of our Nobles, and some rich Commoners
who have lately died, and many now living, are in
possession of property from three to ten mil-
lions,—these amounts would bear a duty upon a
sliding scale up Nerds, namely, as the property in-
creased, the duties increase; and the Minister would
then have more than he wanted. This would give
him an opportunity of relieving the country of the
taxes that oppress the poor, and, of course, the ex-
pense of the tax-gatherers, Custom-house officers,
preventive service men, and other officers now em-
ployed in collecting the taxes, too numerous to men-
tion. If a scale was enacted on all property, and not
on Sir Robert Peel's sliding favourite, it would then
produce from twelve to fifteen millions annually, and
only do justice between man and man; but it should
not begin too low, as it does now.—Liverpool Mer-
cury.

Petitions against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill were
presented by the Earl of Rosebery from Berwick-on-
['weed ; by the Marquis of Normanby from a place in
Ireland ; and petitions in favour of the Bill were pre-
sented by the Earl of Sefton from a congregation in
Renshaw-street, Lverpool ; by the Earl of Radnor,
the Marquis of Normanby, Lord Sudely, and Lord
Beaumont.

Lord MONTEAGLE postponed the second reading
of the Bill for preventing the forestalling of markets in
Ireland till Tuesday next, for the purpose of amending
the Bill, so as to apply to Scotland as well as Ireland.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from several
places in Ireland, praying that their Lordships would
legalise the Presbyterian marriages.
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition
against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor.
After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL and the
LORD CHANCELLOR, the Dissenters' Chapels Bill was
postponed till this day week.
Lord WIIARNCLIFFE presented a petition praying
for the alteration of certain clauses in the Poor-laws.

The Bishop of EXETER presented petitions from
several parts of the United Kingdom against the Dis-
senters' Chapels Bill. He said that the petitioners felt
confident that the interests of religion were involved in
this measure, and prayed their Lordships not to sanction
it. This Bill, for the reasons he had stated, would theiefore
receive his opposition, and he gave his full support to
the prayer of the petition. In presenting these petitions
he would state to their Lordships that there was an irre-
gularity with respect to them, inasmuch as they were
headed as coming from members of the Presbyterian
Church in Ireland. Now, there was no such church
either in England or Ireland. Had the petitions come
from Scotland, of course he would not have made this
observation ; but in England and Ireland no church was
recognised except the Church of England, and there was
an express canon of the Church against any persons
calling themselves the members of any church not the
Church of England.
Lord CAMPBELL wished to know the date of such
canon.

The Bishop of EXETER was perfectly ready to give
the Noble Lord an answer. The canon was established
in England in the year 1603, and in Ireland about thirty
years later.
The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented several pe-
titions in favour of the Bill.

PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND.)
Lord GOSFORD gave notice that he should, on an
early day, call the attention of the House to the subject
of public works in Ireland.
GWALIOR.

The Marquis of NORM ANBY gave notice that he
should, on Monday, put a question to the Government
relative to certain omissions in the papers which had been
laid on their Lordships' table relating to Gwalior.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

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THE ITALIAN OPERA.—The following are the
names of the past managers of the Italian Opera House:-
1729, Handel; 1740 (when the new theatre was opened),
Heidegger ; 1752, Dr. Croza ; 1756, Vanesehi ; 1757,
Giardini an Mingotti ; 1762, Mattei ; 1764, Gordon,
Crowford, and Vincent ; then, for a short period, the
Hon. Mr. Hobart ; 1772, Milliro and Sacchini ; 1775,
Mrs. Yates and Mrs. Brooks; 1786, Sir John Gallini and
Mr. Taylor ; 1789, the theatre was destroyed by fire;
1791 (when the new theatre was erected), Mr. Goold ;
1818, Mr. Waters ; then an interval, during which Mr.
Chambers, unfortunately for himself, was lessee ; 1822,
Mr. Ebers, following whom came Mr. Monck Mason ;
then Mr. Laporte; and in 1842 Mr. Lumley became, and
has continued, the manager, whom few of his prede-
cessors have equalled in spirit, tact, and success.—Dra-
matic and Musical Review.
A ROBIN'S NEST IN A GREAT COAT.—A re-
markable instance of the tameness of the robin, and its
confidence in man, is now to be seen on the premises of
Mr. George Watson, butcher, Dunmow. On a beam in
a shed adjoining the slaughter-house, the apprentice,
some five or six weeks since, threw an old drab great
coat, and upon it an old saddle; they remained in that
position a few days, when it was discovered that a robin
was building her nest in the arm-hole of the coat-sleeve,
and, being allowed to complete her work, she proceeded
to lay her eggs, and has now a hopeful progeny of five
young ones in this novel and warm situation. What
renders the
,occurrence still more singular, is the fact
that the top of the cart-wheel, when run into the shed
(which is continually the case) approaches close to the
nest, thus causing the greatest facility for a cat or other
predatory animal to pounce upon the little unfledged
innocents. Nothing daunted, however, the old bird flies
in and out while the lads are chopping wood immediately
under her domicile, and when cattle are being slaughtered
and dressed, picks up the little pieces of suet and offal
with Out showing the least fear.—Chelmsford Chronicle.
ST. CLEMENT DANES.—This church has just been
adorned with three splendidly-painted glass windows,
erected in the eastern section of the edifice, and casting
a " dim religious light" around the communion table.—
Standard. _ _

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THE COLLIERS.—We are informed that most of
the Nottinghaii,shire, and several of the Derbyshire col-
lieries are doing very little work, as great numbers of
the colliers firmly continue in the union. Of the col-
lieries in the neighbourhood of Derby, we hear
Shipley has resumed work—the colliers having with-
drawn from the union—that Denby is working pretty
well, and at Kilburne there has been no strike or stop-
page whatever. At Matehay very little is doing ;
Morley Park somewhat unsettled ; and at West Hal-
lum going on well, having no men in the union. We
understand there has been a large meeting of the most
influential coal-masters in the counties of Derby, Not-
tingham, end Leicester, with those connected with the
North Midland Railways, at which it was determined not
to employ any colliers in the union, and to put it down
previous to entertaining the question of any regulation
in wages or prices of coals. Meetings of the colliers con-
tinue to be held in several parts of the county, but
nothing has taken place during the past week worthy of
public record.—Nottingham Review.
EXTRAORDINARY EXHUMATION ON THE COAST or
ArnicA.—The ship Britannia, Captain E. Wylie, left Icho-
boe, on the west coast of Africa, whither she had been for
guano, on the 7th February, and arrived at this port on Sun-
day last with a cargo of that article. The captain reports
that on the 15th of January a " mummy" was dug out of
the guano, and close upon it there was a common oak stave
with the inscription " Columbus Delano, 1791, cut appa-
rently with an ordinary scribe for marking wood. It was
found only four feet below the surface, and no idea could be
formed of the depth at which it had originally been buried;
so that supposing it to have been merely covered under the
then level, the accumulation of the guano over the long in-
termediate period of 53 years, could not have much exceeded
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Privy Council, containing any provision or regulation
with reference to the terms, conditions, or circum-
stances under which aid should be granted to schools in
Scotland, whether in connexion or not in connexion with
the Established Church of Scotland, or with the National
School Society, or the British and Foreign School So-
ciety.—Agreed to.
PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES—(IRELAND.)
Mr. ROSS said that the Right lion. Gentleman oppo-
site was doubtless aware that great excitement had been
occasioned in Ireland by certain recent decisions of the
Courts of Law and the House of Lords on the subject of
Presbyterian marriages. He wished to ask the Right
Hon. Gentleman if it was the intention of the Govern-
ment to introduce any measure to legalise marriages
celebrated by clergymen of the Presbyterian persuasion
—marriages which had been for the last two centuries
supposed to be perfectly legal ?
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the present state
of the law on the subject had recently attracted the at-
tention of the House of Lords ; a Committee of that
House had been appointed to investigate the subject, and
he had every reason to believe that a Bill on the subject,
emanating from the Committee, would very shortly be
laid upon the table of the other House of Parliament.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM wished to remind the House
that, in consequence of the postponement of the Irish
Registration Bill, he had given notice that it was his
intention that evening to move the second reading of the
County Courts Bill as the first Order of the Day. He
had, however, omitted to give formal notice of his inten-
tion, and the consequence was that the Order of the
Day for the Committee of Supply stood as the Order of
the Day to be first taken after the Irish Registration
Bill. He wished that no Hon. Member should be taken
by surprise, and therefore he would leave it to the
House to determine whether he should proceed with the
County Courts Bill—(Hear, hear)—or whether the
Committee of Supply should taken. It was entirely
an error of his own that proper notice had not been given.
Mr. J. JERVIS had given notice of an amendment
on the County Courts Bill. He had to thank the Right
Hon. Gentleman for his courtesy in informing him that
. .

it was his intention to proceed •%;:ith the Bill that even-
ing. He (Mr. Jervis) was perfectly prepared to go on,
but he knew several Hon. Members who had gone away
under the impression that the County Courts Bill would
not come on; and, under those circumstances, he thought
it would be better, that the County Courts Bill should
be postponed.
Mr. WATSON expressed a hope that the discussion
on the County Courts Bill would be deferred until some
other evening.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM thought it would perhaps be
best to take the business of the evening as it stood upon

changes which had taken place in the government of
that colony.

Lord STANLEY would have no objection to lay be-
fore the House such papers as were calculated to throw

a light on the transaction to which the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had alluded, but he thought it better that
_ _

ley should wait until all the papers could be laid before
them, so that they might consider the transaction as a

whole.

Mr. ROEBUCK did not want the papers to raise any
dispute on the subject, but merely for information.
IRISH POOR•LAW COMMISSIONERS.

Mr. F. FRENCH, in reference to the postponed reso-
lutions in the. Committee of Supply, wished to know
when it was likely that the vote for the salary of the
Poor-law Commissioner in Ireland would be proposed,

as he intended to oppose it ?
Sir G. CLERIC'S answer was inaudible in

the gallery.

EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
Captain BERNAL wished to know when the estimates
for public education in Ireland would be proposed ?
Sir GEORGE CLERK said that the pressure of pub-
lic business was such, that it was impossible at present
to fix the day.

SUPPLY OF TIMBER TO THE NAVY.
Sir C. NAPIEIt rose, agreeably to notice, to put a
question to the Secretary to the Admiralty, on the sub-
ject of the supply of timber to the navy. It appeared
that two ships had recently required a good deal of re-
pair, in consequence of the badness of the timber which
had been used in their construction. He had had

an opportunity of examining returns of the quantity of
timber supplied to the dockyards for the year 1840 to
the year 1841, and it appeared that 274,131 loads of
timber had been received into the dock-yards
during that period by private coutract, and
and 56,035 loads by public competition. Sometime ago
ho found that it was usual for the Government when

timber wns received into the dockyards to have
it examined by the surveying officer, and he un-
derstood that when timber had been rejected by
him as unfit for service, it had been ordered by
the storekeeper to be received at reduced prices. Now,
under such a system, it was impossible that the dock-

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yards could be properly supplied with timber. They
had heard the other night from the Secretary to the
Admiralty that no inferior officer was permitted
to sign an order in his own name, but that all orders
must be signed by the Secretary to the Admiralty. He,
therefore, asked by what right the storekeeper took
upon himself to sign an order for admitting in-
ferior timber into the dockyards, at a reduced price ?
Formerly it was the custom to ascertain from the con-
.

tractors -where and when the timber furnished to the Go-
vernment for ship-building was grown. That practice had
been discontinued about 10 or 12 years since, and at the
present day the surveying officer knew nothing about
where or when the timber was cut down. The Hon.
and Gallant officer here recounted the various stations,

the paper
Mr. LABOUCHERE did not object to the arrange-
ments entered into yesterday ; but he must observe that,
strictly speaking, it was better not to allow that course
to be established as a precedent. By saying that, he did
not mean to throw any obstacle in the way of the
arrangements that had been made.
Lord ASHLEY wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentle-
man in the Chair, whether the same objection applied to
the instructions to the Committee, of which notice had
just been given by the Hon. and Learned Member for
Bath, as the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated, applied
to his (Lord Ashley's) instructions ?
The SPEAKER said that the same objection to the
motion which the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath
proposed to make did not (as we understood) apply, as
in the case of the motion of the Noble Lord the other
day. The rule of the House was this—that no person
could instruct the Committee to do that which the Com-
mittee could do without them. If the proposition of the
Hon. and Learned Member was within the scope of the
Bill, it was quite competent to the Committee to deal
with it without any instruction to them. But, if it were
not, the Hon. and Learned Member could move his
instructions.
Mr. ROEBUCK said—perhaps the House would
allow him to state that he, too, had considered the point
of form, and he took the rule of the House to be this—
that no instruction could affirm the powers of a Com-
mittee, but that it might restrict or extend those powers.
His (Mr. Roebuck's) purpose was to restrict, and he,
therefore, thought that it was competent for him to move
his instruction.
Mr. HUME said he was altogether against the prin-
ciple of interfering with manual labour ; but as he was
in favour of several clauses of the Bill, he could not con-
cur with the Hon. and Learned Member's proposal, lest
he should be found acting in opposition to the whole
measure.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, that as a point of order he
thought notice should he given before they discussed
this question. He would submit that the object of an
instruction to the Committee was not that that Commit-
tee should do anything, or omit to do anything, but only
to give the Committee power to do something, which
otherwise they would not be competent to do.—(Hear,
hear.) If it were competent to them to do anything,
or to omit to do anything, without an instruction, then
he submitted that the instruction not being necessary,
was unparliamentary. The single question was, whether
the object, sought by the Hon. Member for Bath, could be
attained without an instruction ?—(Hear, hear.) If it
could be, he would submit that the instruction was un-
necessary and unparliamentary.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he certainly could not attain his
object without an instruction. His object was to pre-
vent the Committee from entertaining the question.
The SPEAKER said it would not be for the con-
venience of the House that this matter should be debated
upon a mere hypothetical case. The proper time for
debating the question would be when it arose upon a
point of order. He had endeavoured to explain to the
House what he conceived to be the rule ; at the same
time he thought the question should be discussed when
the Hon. and Learned Member moved the instruction.
Mr. WARD said he thought the Hon. and Learned
Member would fully attain his object, by moving the
omission of the 32d clause, and that would raise the
whole point. He had himself come down to the House
with the intention of giving notice that he would move
the omission of that clause. _ _

and ships of war at each, which France had throughout
the world, and pointed out that, as our navy was circum-
stanced at present, we were not in a position to compete
with the French. While the French had a large squadron
of observation, we had not a single ship ready for sea.
He wished also to point out another subject to the con-
sideration of the Government—he meant harbours of
refuge. It was but a few years ago since the
French Government granted 170 millions of

francs for the purpose of forming harbours of
refuge, and they had this year added fuur millions
more for the same purpose. He concluded by moving for
a return of the quantity of timber that for the last
ten years had been presented at the different dockyards
and rejected by the officer, and of the quantities received
by order of the storekeeper-general; also for a list of all
orders in the public service signed by the subordinate
officers.

The question having been put,
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said that the Hon. and
Gallant Gentleman who had preceded him was per-
fectly well aware of the practice pursued in
her Majesty's dockyards, timber not being of the
size specified in the contract was rejected, un-
less it could be made useful for the public service.
Both the present Admiralty and the last had done all
they could to break down the monopoly which existed in the
timber market, and had endeavoured to establish a fair
competition,' but they had been hitherto unsuccessful.
When he (Mr. S. Herbert) came into office, Earl Minto
told him that there was one timber-merchant in the

market, whose influence was so great that no other
merchant was able to compete with him. The Hon. and
Gallant Officer had spoken of some reductions which he
said were contemplated in our naval force, and had re-
ferred to what foreign Powers were doing, and to the ex-
tent of their forces. Now he (Mr. S. Herbert) knew no
subject more mischievous to be introduced into discus-
sion in that House, than the relative strength of the
forces of this and other countries. Such discussions
only tended to create alarms for which there was, in
fact, no substantial foundation. He was very certain
that, if occasion should ever arise, and it should be ne-
cessary for the Government to ask for assistance, that
House would never be backward with its assistance.—

(Hear, hear.) He did not feel himself justified in giving
the returns asked for by the Hon. and Gallant Officer,
but any information which with propriety be could give,
he should have great pleasure in communicating to him.
After a few words from Mr. FOSTER and Sir CIL&RLES
NAPIER,

Mr. BARNARD said he was glad that some altera-
tion was about being effected in the mode in which those
contracts were made.

......
The Order of the Day for the second reading of the
Irish Registration Bill was read for the purpose of being
postponed.

CHARITABLE PAWN SOCIETIES BILL.

In answer to a question from Mr. GISBORNE,
Mr. GLADSTUNE was understood to say that the
Government did not intend to interfere with this Bill.
BANK CHARTER BILL.

Sir J. GRAHAM stated, that as the Budget was fixed
for the 29th, and generally took precedence of other
business, it would be taken on that evening, before the
discussion on: he Bank Charter Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Budget was at all times
a matter of interest, and would this year be particularly
so ; they could not, therefore, be sure that the discussion
on it would last but a short time.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought the Bank Charter
might as well be postponed at once till the 6th of May.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND).
On the motion of Lord ELIOT the Municipal Cor-
porations (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, without
opposition, and ordered to be committed on the 29th.
COUNTY COURTS.

In answer to a question from Mr. JERVIS.
Sir J. GRAHAM fixed the Committee on the County
Courts Bill for Monday next.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

Mr. HUME also animadverted in strong terms upon
the manner in which the contracts had been made.
Sir GEORGE COCKBURN thought that the mode
in which those contracts had been completed in times
past was open to reprehension, but the Admiralty at the
present time were doing all in their power to render the
fulfilment of those contracts as beneficial as possible to
the public.
After a few words from Mr. HUME, the amendment
was negatived, without a division.
STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES (IRELAND).
Mr. BELLEW, in rising to draw the attention of the
House to the appointment of stipendiary magistrates in
Ireland, had no intention to make any observations on
the debate which had taken place the other night, except
to express his regret that the cause of that debate should
have arisen from the dismissal of ten magistrates who
had been appointed by the last Government. Those
dismissals were not worth much on the score of eco-
nomy, and in every other point of view they had better
not have taken place. The Noble Lord had observed
that it was extraordinary that the late Government, at
the very time they were boasting of the increased tran-
quility of Ireland, should have thought it necessary to
increase the number of stipendiary magistrates. Now,
it appeared to him that the increase in the num-
ber of stipendiary magistrates might be considered
as one of the causes of the increased tranquillity.
He was not opposed to the system of appoint-
ing additional stipendiary magistrates. He thought
there ought to be one attending every petty ses-
sion. They understood their business better than the
local magistrates did; they were not actuated by local pre-
judices, and they acted under the immediate supervision
of the Executive. In England, public opinion was so
strong, and there in general existed such feelings of
mutual goodwill between the country gentlemen and their
neighbours, that the local magistrates formed perhaps the
best possible arbitrators for the settlement of local dis-
putes. In Ireland, however, the case was different, and
so strongly was this felt that, even so far back as the
Government of the Marquis of Wellesley, stipendiary
magistrates had been appointed. Their appointment
had been always opposed by the local magistrates, and as
these latter were almost all Tories, the number of sti-
pendiaries had not been greatly increased until the Go-
vernment of the Marquis of Normanby, when the
namber was increased to forty. At present there were
about sixty of them, and he was happy to hear that it
was the intention of the Government to keep up the
number. What could be more absurd than that the
administration of justice should be left to the caprice of
country gentlemen ? The machinery for the administra-
tion of justice in the counties of Ireland was more com-
plete than it was in England. In Ireland they had a
public prosecutor in every court of quarter sessions.
They had also the assistant barristers, which they had not
in this country. They were men of some standing
at the bar, and were an excellent body of men ;
and then they had the stipendiary magistrates.
He wished to call the attention of the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet at the head of the Government to the cases of
Messrs. Brereton and O'Brien, who had been appointed
stipendiary magistrates by the present Government. It
was well known that in the county of Tipperary, in par-
ticular, the people were not remarkable for confidence in
the administration of justice, and it was, therefore, the
more necessary to make unexceptionable appointments
in that county. In general the people and the prisoner
were on the one side—the police, the Crown prose-
cutor, and the magistracy on the other. A verdict of
acquittal was hailed by the people as a triutnph—by the
other side it was regarded with dismay ; a verdict of guilty
was received in the manner of a party victory by those
who should only desire to promote the ends of justice—
the humbler classes were grieved and disappoiunstedt
be
et it.by
The Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland must
en
this time aware of the conduct of Mr. Breretonh cAonssciezrens:
ing a prisoner who was tried at the Nag
and of the manner in which that functionaryu
ge took down
the depositions of the witnessesnot
onlyon
neg-
lected the trial
felt it his duty to say that Dip.the Government
was strong language from a judge, T
Breretonhe j
his duty, but had violateddge
could not pass over such gross culpability. and
ability. Regarding Mr.
O'Brien, it was well known that a short time ago he
was a violent Repealer—a member of the Repeal Asso
ciation—one of its most active members too. He car-
ried his enthusiasm so far in the Repeal cause that he
refused to drink the health of Lord Ebrington, the then
Lord Lieutenant, at a public dinner in the town of Bal
linasloe. One year he eulogised Mr. O'Connell in the
most ardent and even bombastic manner, declaring he
was worthy of the eternal gratitude of his countrymen—
his praise was so gross that it must have been fulsome
to the most warm admirers of Mr. O'Connell; the next
year he denounced him in the most
werenaltand
in-
temperate language ; he said theeo
drilled by
an old lawyer, instead of a soldier—al3p monster who was
only fit to grace a gibbet. (The Hon. Member read
several extracts from Mr. O'Brien's letters, which were
received by Hon. Members on both side of the House
with visible marks of disgust.) Yet:that was the person
whom the Government had appointed to the office of
stipendiary magistrate, a post which required the great-
est prudence, and the most untainted character.—(Hear,
hear.) Such an appointment was highly objectionable,
on the ground of lowering the standard of public principle
and public morals, as well as shaking the confidence of the
Irish people in the administration of justice. The only
ground that he could see upon which the appointment
of this man could be justified was his gross and filthy
abuse of Mr. O'Connell.—(Hear, hear.) In fact, it was
a premium held out to abuse Mr. O'Connell. Some
years ago, Mr. Blake, a stipendiary magistrate, was dis-
missed by Lord Normanby, the then Lord Lieutenant,
because it was ascertained that Mr. Blake had been dis-
missed by a Wilt-martial 24 years before, even although

A messenger from the Lords brought up several Bills.
EXPENDITURE OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS.
On Sir J. GRAHAM moving the Order of the Day
for going into Committee of Supply,
Mr. HUME said he had on several occasions, during
past years, submitted to the House the -propriety of hav-
ing before it an account of the expenditure of the House
of Lords, which this House was called on to pay, and
which they had voted, notwithstanding considerable op-
position. What he wished to ask was this, whether he
should be able to call for any copy of a report of
the House of Lords, purporting to recemmend an addi-
tional expenditure of 1,0001. If the House of Lords
thought fit to create a new office, or increase
the salary of an existing one, he wished to know what
means this House had of possefiling the grounds on
which that change took place, because he had been told
flatly that it could not be given. If an officer who had
no duty to perform was paid 50/. a year, he might be
paid very amply ; and if the House of Lords chose to
increase his salary to 1,550 L he wished to know what
means the Commons of England had of informing them-
selves of the grounds of that increase?
Lord STANLEY'S reply was inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. HUME said he had received no answer to the
question he had put.
Lord STANLEY said he apprehended it was in the
Hon. Gentleman's power to move for any information he
might require.
Mr. HUME then gave notice that he should move
that the vote he had objected to should be deferred till
Monday or Tuesday, when he would make a motion on
the subject.
BOROUGH OF HORSHAM.

Mr. TUFNELL wished to know from the Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite (Sir T. Fremantle) why the writ for
Horsham had not been moved, when writs for the other
vacancies had been so? A vacancy in the representa-
tion ought always to be filled up without delay.
Sir T. FREMANTLE said he was not called upon to
explain why the vacancy for this borough had not been
filled up. He presumed, however, that the writ of
summons to the House of Lords not having been issued,
the Hon. Gentleman indirectly referred to had not ceased
to be a Member of that House. The House of Commons
could not, of course, issue a writ for a Member until an
actual vacancy occurred.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman who
had last spoken asserted that he had no know-
ledge on this subject, and he was not answerable
for what the Government took no particular interest in.
The Government ought to feel an interest wherever in-
jury was done,_ and there was no greater injury to the
public than when a borough was left without its repre-
sentative.—(Hear, hear.) It was notorious that no one
could sit as a Member there when be had become a Mem-
ber of the other House. The non-issuing of the writ in
question might occur from some delay or neglect, but, if
continued, then he (Lord John, Russell) should consider
it necessary to bring the subject formally under the
consideration of the House, in order to the application of
a remedy.--(Hear, hear.)
SUPPLY.
Sir GEORGE CLERK thought that as some discus-
sion was likely to take place before going into Commit-
tee of Supply, it was as well that he should state what
estimates he intended to proceed with. He did not in-
tend to proceed with the estimates in class four, be-
cause some of them were not yet printed; but he should
proceed with class five, the Colonial Estimates; with class
six, and with class seven.
CANADIAN MINISTRY.
Mr. ROEBUCK wished to ask the Noble Lord, the
Secretary for the Colonies, if he would have any objec-
tion to lay before the House copies of any communica-
tions which had passed between the Governor-General
of Canada and his Dlinistry on the aubject of the late