The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-12 00:00:00

EXTRAORDINARY ATTEMPT AT
SWINDLING.

One of the most impudent and barefaced attempts
at swindling which have ever occurred in this neigh-
bourhood has just been exposed, by an investigation
which took place before the local magistrates, at
Bilston, on Saturday last. The party who felt most
interest in the result of this inquiry was a respect-
ably-dressed foreigner, Count Von Wladdislaw by
name, according to bis address card, and belonging
to Hungary, Poland, France, or Germany, as best
suited his convenience. The " Count" first comes
under our notice, from the disclosure now made, as a
guest of Mr. Clements, landlord of the Royal Ex-
change Inn, Dale-end, Birmingham, where he ar-
rived on the evening of Saturday, the 19th, having
come in a car from the railway station. During his
stay there he lived in a style becoming an Hungarian
noble, and on an early day he took Mr. Clements
into his confidence, and gave him a bit of information
worth knowing. The " Count's" elder brother had
been living with a female at Glasgow, and had be•
come so infatuated with her that he had given her
the title deeds of a valuable property in Hungary.
She was ignorant of their value, and the "Count"
being anxious to get possession of them, he proposed
that Mr. Clements should go to Glasgow as his agent,
and offer the woman 5,0001. for the documents ; if he
was successful he should have 5001. for himself. The
offer was too tempting to be refused, and was at once
accepted, with a proviso (at the suggestion of a friend
of Mr. Clements) that the Count should pay his ex-
penses to Glasgow, and give him 51. to bring him back.
This was joyfully acceded to, and the evening of
the following Saturday was fixed for the start.
Mr. Clements was duly apparelled: for the journey
on the evening in question, when the Count left
the house for a moment, as he said, but
forgot to return. Thus was the landlord of the
Royal Exchange "done" out of a prospective
5001., as well as the amount of his guest's board and
lodging for the week. While the Count was staying
at Mr. Clements', he was introduced to a Mr. Alfred
Somerville, partner in a Brussels firm engaged in the
iron trade, to whom he stated that he was com-
missioned to purchase engines, &c., for the Cracow
Railway Company, and asked his advice as to the
most proper parties in Birmingham with whom he
could deal. Mr. Somerville recommended him to
Messrs. Boulton and Watt, of the Soho Works, and
having gone there, the Count ordered two pairs of
marine engines, of one hundred and forty horse
power, and two pairs of eighty horse power, with iron
boats to suit the same, which he said were to be used
on the Danube in connexion with the Cracow Rail-
way. He signed a contract to the amount of 27,0001.,
giving references in London as to his responsibility,
and agreeing to pay 10,0001. in a week. In the course
of conversation with Mr. Blake, one of the managers
at the Soho, the Count mentioned that there were a
number of Hungarian refugees in Birmingham who
were desirous of emigrating, but had not the
means of doing so, and Mr. Blake offered
him a 51. note as a contribution for that object.
The Count refused it, however, saying he could
give more himself, doubtless thinking that Mr. Blake
would increase the amount. We are not aware
whether this was done, but from inquiries which he
subsequently made Mr. Blake was induced to suspect
that his customer would not be a very profitable one,
and the contract was therefore immediately cancelled.
After leaving Mr. Clements' house, we find the Count
in a day or two distribuiing the orders he had been
commissioned to execute for the Cracow Railway, in
the neighbourhood of Wednesbury and Bilston, in-
cluding a 500-horse poster stationary engine from
Messrs. Perry, of the Highfield Foundry; 500 rail-
way axles, from Messrs. Lloyd, Foster, and Com-
pany ; an 80-horse power high-pressure engine from
Mr. Joseph Spencer, of Bilston, and 350 tons of
best steel from a manufacturer at Moxley. Of
course, the Count, in giving his orders, discussed
the merits of a few bottles of wine, at the expense o
those whom he was honouring with his commands
but this appears to have been the extent of the imme

diate benefit he derived. He wanted to borroW.sl.,
from the Morley steel-manufacturer, under the pre-
tence that he bad lost his purse in coming from the
Willenhall Railway station ; ibut this at once opened
the eyes of the other to the real character of his cus-
tomer, and he tore up the contract. We next discover
the Count in the custody of Inspector Thompson, at
Bilston, by whom he was brought up at the public-
office, as we have already stated, in order that it
might be ascertained whether his doings brought him
within reach of the law. After due consideration,
however, the magistrates, E. B. Dimmack and John
Jones, Esqs., were of opinion that there was not evi-
dence sufficient to warrant a conviction, and the Count
was therefore discharged. The Bench expressed a
wish that publicity might be given to the circum-
stance, for the purpose of putting the public on their
guard. The Count has a Jewish appearance, is about
30 years of age, .5 feet inches high, of a dark com-
plexion, has dark hair and whiskers, and wears a
moustache and imperial. He speaks the English lan-
guage imperfectly.—Birmingham Journal.

THE POISONING CASE AT HACKNEY.
Yesterday Mr. William Baker, the coroner, re-
sumed for the fourth time, at the Fountain Tavern,
Upper Clapton, the investigation touching the death
of James Merritt, which took place early in the
morning of the 25th ult., from the effects of arsenic,
supposed to have been wilfully administered in gruel
by his wife.

- The additional evidence adduced at the present in-
quiry was merely a repetition of that which took
place at Worship-street, on Saturday.
The CORONER having read over the evidence, the
jury, after half-an-hour's deliberation, returned the
following verdict :—" That the deceased, James Mer-
ritt, died from the deleterious effects of a mortal
poison, called white arsenic, found in his stomach,
but when, by whom, or in what manner the same
has been administered to and taken and imbibed
into the stomach, there is no satisfactory evidence to
prove."

The foreman of tie jury then handed in the follow-
ing recommendation, signed by thirteen of the jury :
" The jury, before they separate, wish to record
their opinion regarding burial-clubs, as they are at
present constituted ; they view them with fear, inas-
much as they seem to hold out a premium for the
frightful crime of secret murder, through the facility
with which the funeral money is obtained, several
cases having recently come to light the facts of
which are startling, and on which their fears are
founded, besides the many they may presume to have
escaped discovery. The jury, in thus noticing the
evil tendency of these burial societies, from which is
obtainable a sum of money upon the death of a mem-
ber, are desirous that they should be differently con-
stituted, either by the act of their governors, or that
some legislative measure• be made to control or
guide them."

The CORONER stated that he had just received in-
formation that the son of the deceased, a boy eight
years of age, had died that afternoon, and he should
consider whether it would be necessary to hold an
inquest on the body.

TRACTARIAN HUMBUG AT OTTERT.—We are told
that Dr. Cornish has recently ordered that the fu-
neral bell is never more to be tolled on the burial of
a Dissenter in the grave-yard adjoining the Inde-
pendent Chapel ; nor are the nuptials of " here-
tics" to be announced by a merry peal from those
sacred bells. Whether it be that the bells have been
re-consecrated is not known; but some persons are so
unkind as to declare that it is a mighty bit of spleen, of
which, in his charitable moments, the doctor may well be
ashamed, and at which his humbler brethren of the conven-
ticle laugh most heartily. In the event of the Bishop having
a loaf and a fish to spare, he eould not find more deserving
recipients than some of the Ottery clergy. It was only a
few weeks since that one of the clergy, residing in a
little hamlet of the parish, went to the cottige of a poor
woman to baptise her infant. The minister demanded
a basin of water, which was brought, the woman no
doubt placing her best one before a gentleman. The
usual ceremony was just concluded, when the as-
tonished mother saw her china dashed in pieces on the
floor, the minister informing her " that having been
once used for holy purposes, it would be a bin to use it
again for secular ones." It would be a sin to allow the
weary labourer to taste his accustomed broth from that
sacred basin! The most surprising fact is, however, that
the reverend gentleman did not collect the scattered
fragments together, and deposit them in some chest near
the altar. How ♦ery short-sighted, to allow them to
mingle with common things on the heap of decomposing
matter!— Western Times.

DEFALCATIONS IN THE DULL SAVINGS' BANK...-.
Since our last, a further examination of the state of this
institution has taken place, the result showing a total
deficiency of 3,620/. 12s. 7d. It is believed that no
greater deficiency can be found to exist. The par-
ticulars of which it is composed have been found
out to the extent of 2,5801. The whole of the
books hare been examined as far back as 1840, and
a minute examination from 1824 to that period is in
progress. The bond of the late actuary, which was
supposed to cover 2,0004, is found to be worth only
4004 which is the amount of fraud perpetrated since its
execution, Jan. 1, 1845:—T0 meet the deficiency of
3,620/. 12s. 7d., the bank has a surplus fund of 3,4501.;
a guarantee for the return of the balance of the late
actuary's salary, 130/.; and the bond, value 4004;
making together 3,980/., so that there is a surplus of
360 L over and above the sum requisite to pay all the de-
positors 205. in the pound, and exclusive of the value
of the premises, Is hich belong to the bank; there is a
further probability that out of 500,003/. to 400,0004,
deposited in twenty-six years, there are many
sums deposited by parties who have died
without leaving representatives, which will never be
called for at all. On Tuesday last, from 4,000/. to
5,0001. was withdrawn by parties who had given notice
a fortnight previously; but from 1,000/. to 1,500/., for
which notice had been given, was not called for, which
is regarded as an indication of the decline of the panic
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effective superintendence which such Ratters required,
and that a change ought to be made, with the concurrence
of the Government, of Parliament, and the Right Rev.
Bench of Bishops. ,A state of things had arisen which
rendered such a change imperative ; and he therefore
had now briefly to state the provisions of the Bill by
which it was intended to amend and alter the present
law. In order to secure the constant attendance and
attention which were required by large pecuniary
matters, it was proposed to appoint three Commissioners
for the management of estates, to be named the Estates
Commission. The report of the Committee of the House
of Commons, which sat last year, recommended that
there should be three paid Commissioners appointed;
but, after reflecting upon the subject, it bad not been
deemed necessary by the Government that there should
be three paid Commissioners. It was thought quite
sufficient that two of them should receive a salary,
and that it would be possible to get a third
Commissioner, competent for the duties of the
position, who would act without being paid. The Bili
provided for three Commissioners, one of whom Iwas
to be paid by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the
other by the Crown. and t 3 receive 1,2001. and 1,000/. a
year respectively.—(Hear.) The Bill further provided,
in order to secure continuous attention to business, that
at least two of these Commissioners should be present at
all important business arrangements adopted by the
Commission. It also appeared 'absolutely necessary
that the offices of treasurer and secretary should not be
held by the same person.—(Hear, hear.) It was, there-
fore, proposed that the duties of treasurer should bo
discharged by two of he Commission, and that the
secretary should be an officer appointed by the Commis-
sion; the Bill further provided for the abolition of the
division now existing liter( en the episcopal and common
fund, and that henceforth all funds arising from the
various sources under the management and control of
the Commission should be devoted to the general ob-
jects for which it was established. Another provision
was, that the Bishops might, if they thought proper,
commute their present fluctuating incomes, into fixed
means, with a maximum translation as applied to the
Bishops of Chichester, Exeter, and several others.
After the discussions which had taken place on the sub-
ject, and the general attention it had excited, he did not
consider it necessary to detain their Lordships longer,
but having thus briefly explained the leading provisions
of the Bill, he would conclude by moving that it be now
read a second time.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said, he rose
with very great satisfaction, to express his concurrence
in the opinion that it was desirable to alter and amend
the constitution of the Ecclesiastical :Commission, and
indeed he should have been glad to have made the al-
teration some time ago, by which the business would
have been assigned to paid and responsible officers, had
he not been deterred by the consideration, that every
thousand pounds taken from the common funds of the
Commission would abstract these funds from the objects
for which they wese appointed. Another reason for his
now concurring in the propriety of making this change,
was the great and increasing business of the Commission,
and the many intricate affairs which demanded atten-
tion, and which were likely in future to increase still
further. These facts rendered:it necessary that there
should now be responsible officers, capable of conducting
the business satisfactorily to the Commission and to the
public. While, however, he cordially concurred in the
propriety of the proposed changes, he must
protest against the charges which had been
made against the Commission as a whole, and
the manner in which it had heretofore con-
ducted the business. He could not concur in these
charges without doing a grievous injustice to many
Right Reverend, Right Honourable, and Noble Friends,
who had given their time and ability to promote the ob-
jects of the Commission at a great sacrifice to them-
selves. Much bad been said about the junction of the
offices of treasurer and secretary, but that was not the
work of the Commission; it was an act of the Imperial
Legislature, and he confessed not a very discreet one,
inasmuch as it had ultimately led to the secretary going
off, leaving a deficiency in his accounts of about 6,0001.
This certainly showed very defective business arrange-
ments; but, at the same time, he felt bound to say of the
secretary, that up to the last six mouths of his service,
he had been a faithful, discreet, and zealous officer. He
had, it appeared, entered into large speculations
which he believed would enrich him, and in order to
meet the calls upon him he used the money in his hands,
believing at the time he should be able to replace it.
He was placed under circumstances of difficulty and
temptation, and he sunk under them. There was an-
other allegation against the Commission to which he
felt it necessary to allude, namely, the charge that
a large and disproportionate portion of the funds
had been expended by the Commission on the repair, en-
largement, and furnishing of episcopal residences. There
were very exaggerated statements abroad on that sub-
ject. For instance, it was said, that after building a new
palace for the Bishop of Ripon, it had afterwards been
furnished for him, at a cost of between 8,000/. and 9,000/.
This was a gross exaggeration, because the Commission
had also repaired and enlarged the diocesan residences
of Worcester, Bristol, and Oxford, and the whole ex-
penditure (as we understood) only amounted to about
9,0001.; whereas, it had been stated to be five times that
amount. He could only account for this mistake by
supposing, that as property had been charged in various
parts of the country, to the great disadvantage of the
Church, the parties making these charges had included
these transactions with the building and repairing of
episcopal residences. He regretted very much that such
statements had gone forth, because they had a tendency
to alienate the clergy from their superiors in rank,
and to produce a feeling of discontent and
dissatisfaction, which was neither warranted by
the facts of the case, nor conducive to the
welfare of the Church. These allegations as to the
partial distribution of the fund, he had no hesitation in
saying, were altogether unfounded. But he feared
their effect had, in many instances—looking at the man-
ner in which the clergy were scattered, and the difficulty
they had in procuring correct information on such mat-
ters—induced them to think ill of the very men who had
been exerting their abil.ties and employing their time
to promote the comfort of the inferior clergy. He con-
curred in the proposal to abolish the distinction between
the episcopal and common fund that had hitherto existed,
and he trusted that the Commission thus remodelled
might prove effectual for the great and important work
it had to perform.
The Earl of HARROWBY expressed some doubt
whether the change proposed would effect the objects in
view. He was decidedly of opinion that there ought to
be a considerable increase in the number of bishops. It
was required by the increase of the population. Though
here and there an active man, by the aid of the railways,
might continue to exercise an effectual control over the
large dioceses into which the country was divided, it
was in the majority of instances impossible to do so,
and he thought that this ought to be kept in view while
dealing with the funds under the management of the
Commission. He would suggest that the Commission
should have the power, from time to time, to make a re-
commendation in respect to the appointment of addi-
tional bishops.
The Bishop of LONDON earnestly recommended to
the Government the suggestions of the Noble Earl.
London, for instance, was so overpowered with business
that it was more than he could do to attend to the va
rious duties of his office. He was not satisfied at the
position in which the archbishop and bishops were under
the Bill. By the arrangement proposed it was impos•
sible that he should ever be in the chair of the Commis-
sion, and it seemed to him that the Archbishop's no-
minee would be a mere cypher.
Lord STANLEY, while ho agreed generally in the
principles of the Bill, begged to repeat the recommenda-
lion of the Rigist Rev. Prelate who last addressed their
Lordships, that the Government would take into their
serious consideration the suggestions of his Noble Friend
the Noble Earl near him. It was quite clear that consi-
dering the great increase in the population, the addi-
tional attention paid to the spiritual wants of the people
—(Hear)—and the great increase in the number of the
clergy, it was wholly impossible that the present num-
ber of bishops could be equal to the requirements of the
Church, even at that day; and when the increase efth e
population was taken into consideration, and the obliga-
tions of the Church with regard to that increase, some
twenty years hence, there could be no doubt but that it
would bo most desirable that they should do nothing
that would prevent them hereafter from increasing the
number of bishops, if such a course would be deemed
desirable. But if they joined, as the Government pro-
posed
to do under the 12th clause of this Bill, the epis-
copal and the common fund, and make them ono, then
they would deprive themselves of the opportunity of
adopting the suggestion of his Noble Friend, and pre-
vent hereafter any increase in the number of bishops, no
matter how desirable such a coarse might be.—(lltar,
hear.) He also thought that adding the episcopal fund,
amounting to 16,000/., to the common fund, now
136,000 L, and likely soon to be 300,000 L, would produce
circumstances that were calculated to create division be-
tween the higher and the lower clergy, which would not
operate otherwise than prejudicial to the interests of re-
ligion.—(Hear, hoar.) He trusted that before the Bill
went into Committee they would take these suggestions
into consideration, and separate this objectionable clause
from the other provisions of the Bill.—(Hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he could not
hold out any hope to the Noble Lord that the suggestion
which he had made in respect to the non-amalgamation
of the funds would be adopted by the Government.
Tho Bill was then read a second time
THE BEER BILL.
The Earl of HARROWBY moved the reeappoint-
meet of the Select Committee on the operation of the
Acts for the sale of beer.—Agreed to.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

, the dissolution rf a railway company, nor any Bill to ali-
t thorise the abandonment of the whole or part of a rail-
way, and which does not relate to other objects, be read
a second time until after Easter.
Agreed to without any discussion.
TYNE NAVIGATION BILL.
On the motion that this Bill be read a second time,
Mr. R. GREY moved an amendment that it be read a
second time this day three months.
Mr. ORD supported the second reading of the Bill.
Mr. SPOONER would consent to the reading of the
Bill, if the Hon. Member would allow the next Bill (the
Tyne Conservancy Bill) to be read without opposition.
The allegation against the Corporation of New-
castle was, that they had appropriated some portion
of the tolls of the Tyne to the improvement of the
town of Newcastle. The charge had been brought before
the House last session, and a Committee had decided
that the charge was well-founded. A Bill had been
framed which had been lost in the House by want of 1
time to pass it through. If the Hon. Gentleman would
give an assurance that he would not oppcso the next Bill
he would consent to the Bill being read.
Mr. BROTHERTON thought that both Bills should
be inquired into as fully as possible.
Mr. HUME hoped the House would pass the Bill, as
it involved a public question of considerable importance,
and had been fully inquired into.
The Earl of ARUNDEL trusted, as one of the Com-
mittee, that the Bill would be allowed to be read a se-
cond time. The House was not in a position to judge of
the merits of the Bill, and the whole questio❑ had been
discussed at considerable length by the Committee, who
had endeavoured to act fairly in the matter.
Mr. HEADLAM said the Bill was to give power to
the Corporation of Newcastle to take certain property
on the banks of the river Tyne, in order to carry out
certain improvements. They claimed this property as a
right, but some opposition having been offered to their
right owing to their not having done certain acts in re-
spect of the river, they thought it advisable to bring in
this Bill, though they still considered that they were
entitled to the property.
The amendment was withdrawn, and the Bill having
been read a second time, was ordered to be committed.
TYNE CONSERVANCY BILL.
On the motion for the second reading of this Bill,
Mr. ORD moved, as an amendment, that it be read a
second time this day three months.
Mr. HUME said the amendment was most prepos-
terous, and he hoped the House would show by its vote
that it considered it so.
Mr. CARDWELL said the Bill proposed to interfere
with a grant which had existed for centuries, and which
bad repeatedly been confirmed by Acts of Parliament.
The right of the grant had never been questioned till
now, and if those who enjoyed it had abused their trust
the appeal must be to another tribunal, and not to thia
House.

Mr. R. SPOONER supported the second reading. It
would take more ingenuity than the Hon. Member for
Liverpool possessed to convince him that spending any
portion of the river funds i❑ favouring the streets of
Newcastle was an equitable appropriation of the funds.
Mr. ROEBUCK said that the House knew but little
about the Bill, and therefore were totally incapable of
understanding its merits.—(Hear, hear.) For his own
part he was sure that he knew nothing about it, and was
quite unable to vote upon it, and therefore the best thing
that could be done would be to consent to its being rent
to a Select Committee. Certainly there was an unusu-
ally full assembly of Members for such an occasion
and at such a time of day. He was certain that he
could not imagine what brought them down. He did not
altogether think that it was the Tyne Navigation Bill—
(Laughter and cheers)—and he thought that they had
better get more information before they decided.
After a few words from Mr. GREENALL,
Mr. STUART said that in disposing of this ques-
tion, they were adjudging that neither this House nor its
Committees were fit tribunals for adjudication on cases
of property, a principle which he must abjure, and he
should, therefore, oppose the Bill.
Mr. lIEADLAM said that the Bill alleged that the
grant was invalid, and that the Corporation had misused
the tolls. He defied them to prove this, and the Hon.
Member fur Tynemouth kaew very well that he could
support this i❑ a court of law, and had tried to push the
Bill through the House, and through a Committee which
knew nothing about it.
Mr. OGLE thought the House was not a tribunal
which could decide a question of this kind.
The Earl of ARUNDEL was of opinion that the Bill
ought to go back to the Committee, and said it would bo
a greater injustice to throw it out than it would have
been to have thrown out the former Bill.
The House tie❑ divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading l3l
Against it
Majority —6B
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed.

,
't was his earnest desire that every
the Hon. Gentleman that as far as be was concerned
afforded him in dealing with these questions.
AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS.
Mr. SANDARS asked the President of tbe Board of
Trade whether the Government had any intention of it;
troduciug a measure of agricultural statistics during the
present session, as the Chancellor of the Excbeciii,ere
indulgence should b
could not now object on the ground of deficiency of t°
ways and means.
lIERE said the subject had been ender
Mr. LABoUC
the consdeation of te Governent, and that a Ipeti,
sure wasi inr the course of preparamtion, which he bop
to bring forward during the present session.
POOR-LAW REPORTS.
Mr. DISRAELI asked the Hon. Gentleman the,
Secretaryof State for the Home Department
received the annual report of the Poor-lae Coin
of the
rnissioners of Ireland, and the annual report Le„
Supervisor of Poor-laws fur Scotland, and when tu /
would I e laid on the table of the House ? the
Sir G. GREY said he had not received either of .
ectog
reports rererred to, but would make inquiry resP
them. whether De.

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Board of Trade if it was the intention o
c, h.a.,u,, Irish
meet this session to bring in a Bill for reenl u"
lighthouses? wholly M.
The answer of Mr. LABOUcIIERE Was
audible in the gallery. OGNEITa-slikedUthSeP;fessidennest Osferthaie;
CAPTAIN WATSOCNETLPORNO.CLAMAT:acc
Lord J. RUSSELL said he rose to perform,,,e stsilt
of justice towards a gallant officer in ", taste:
whose feelings had been wounded by
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ment made in the House on WedneS(_' icaptsfn
during the debate on Ceylon; he referred ;°_,., yearns
Watson, who had been for more than tweed 'been
an officer in the army. A mistake ha Icier;
committed by the Honourable Member open ~,,
ness-shire (Mr. Baillie) in commentinq_saed Pi
proclamation said to have been J___ ceilan;
Captain Watson, during the disturbancesszit by the
Having read a copy of the statement n 3, el:,, 'Oil.
Honourable Member for Inverness•s?"'cotal°
Baillie), in which he asserted sh"oeWilti°ll
Watson had issued the violent Pred, to Al
of threatening death and confiscation of u
gsor,
nuriage.
one who was in any way instrumental in hn_°_of eillfc,llo
assisting the pretender in Ceylon (the substa n,ethe Nob!
appeared in our columns on Wednesday last)' „so now
Lord proceeded to say that Captain Welf'_etre to firs
in London, having been summoned to this count r fret
pear as a witness before the Ceylon Cana": _ae /otter ',,
reading this statement hal written 'at toll"
Lord Grey repudiating, in the atto'r was en ri
the imputations on his charaster•
the letter Ors
on the morning of the day on which t',' the psi%
written that Captain Watson had seen ,°_,bor, w/315r,
the attack made upon him by the Hon. gen''der the To
he said was most unjustifiable and unfair ufbrieser,l4_,
cumstances, especially as the Hon. Member.ore the Ca;
was aware that he was about to appear he aje cilic3 the
mittee to give his testimony respecting allse able on
stances, and stating that the documents erociecen%e' t,
Honourable Member had relied for his
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were altogether spurious, and that the oburea itoP,uebip
who had attached any credit to them hadlii, Dor% al
upon by infamous furgeries.—(Hear.) k ruts
read this letter at length, and during sate chbottl
was frequently interrupted by the 03011 0003 ,ter,
from the Ministerial benches, and frequeSt Yd the it'oe
sides of the House.) After having finis" tter I '
le his Lordship, in conclusion, said: After that
not another word to add.
Mr. BAILLIE deeply regretted
Itvhaat:o,,neinsotc:eeilidilofi:olo°lo:lB
been imposed upon, but said that the "°, signatures'
which he had relied bore Captain
and had been sworn before two :I"tic" goose Wciaig
(Hear, and laughter.) No one in that ,he hs'l,o
`ntstion'io
more deeply regret than he should
been instrumental in casting unmerited in3Pid dais!
any man., TheiHon. Member sat down am • e
c
laughter, and, roc°
alve
The SPEAKER then put the motion for P
to the orders of the day.
The orders of the day were then read.
Mr.
HA
wEAsFFn3AOIvI.:,.dS OFfor CaEYseLiOentLcOnlivlnsiitsite,svilealr::
Ceylon : Mr. Baillie, Mr. Hume, Sir Joshuad, 'tope' "-i,
Sir Robert Peel, Sir James Hogg, Mr. G'a
.itatisrii:D.,
Charles Villiers, Mr. Disraeli, Mr. Hawes, our'_thata,
Mr. Wilson, Mr. Stuart Wortley, Lord Hot ham'
M'Cullagh, and Major Blacken.
Mr. HUME begged to state, before theC jtafai!tifet:
was appointed, that he could not expect .thatl), W",ia
would be done in this most important ques".o of le,
the Noble ;Lord rejected the recommendeue, Cer°„
Committee that a commission should go out
.11" e title
there to examine into the affair, he tookr!ented
s 0
tunity of stating that when he had P e'sre tb '„,
THE LAND TAX. petition it was the wish of the petitiona lie tr,
Mr. WODEIIOUSE gave notice that on an early day full and fair inquiry should be instituted• ertaiLT he would ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer a pies- sidered the Committee the second best th,iengetnuciddelset:er,
Lion relative to the present system of assessing and col- but still he did not expect that full justice r, A
letting the land tax.
tained. He had suggested that Lord Torringt°°6ebserjrc; Mr. SCOTT gave notice that he should to-morrow interested in the Inquiry should
move for copies of the correspondence which had passed to return home, in order that theylnigh"e: or ,btoy
respecting the emigration to Australian colonies, and to prevent any witnesses that wale ne°es,"hlit ":-, g
also respecting the depot at Deptford, and whether the sent here.—(llear, hear.) He knew
,„''.- PI-filet
have leave °f ipterfeg
stores at that depOt were furnished by contract or by persons had been intimidated f,,,,,r°—,,s sod for
tender. Also similar returns with respect especially to evidence fairly and freely by the public 0111co-e'rera,lloo.
the emigration of New South Wales. these reasons he did not expect that this , rebe' bus
THE BLOCKADES. could fairly inquire into the grounds of futiaid eo s
In reply to a question, He had no doubt that in Committee they s'„'e r f t
Sir G. GREY stated that the correspondence with to prove that!such means bad been
ext ;Jai ant:r'
he ° '
.::
respect to the blockades, and the information to be fur- Mr. STUART thought that the re-sPVia,,trtadinsr37 c.inr:
nished, was very extensive, and would be laid on the Committee was made under the most
table as speedily as possible,
being
cumstances at the present momen''', pirtY
THE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. pointreeet of the Committee, without 14— Iwould fi,
Lord ASHLEY said that before the notice of the Hon. given to the production of witnesses, -1.) P.
Member for Cockermouth was taken by the House he his opinion be a perfect force.—(Haar" thhee'r"rife .'
begged to say a word or two, and he trusted that he they now stood the witnesses in favour a ',.-e„e 1%,
might be permitted to observe that whatever dif- could not be brought forward, while ti',°' It 's""t
ferenc• of opinion existed with respect to the were to rebut it would be easily obtaineue
~_ tha,,
high functionaries of the Ecclesiastical Commission the opinion of the Committee last sessioernf file
in their public capacities, there was still in exist- means should bo adopted for the attendance tO IP
C 0
once among them the greatest amount of private esteem. Queen's advocate and Captain Watson, relauveoloef,,;
He did not think that this House was the proper tri- martial law thas was then prevailing in that „,itt
bunal to adjudicate this matter. A large portion of the but, as it was so late in the session, the Csaurecer
evidence which must bo brought before the Committee thought it most judicious that there should be a,'o, es
mast consist of matters which had taken place without struction of that Committeemnieencestshaeryprewseitnntessseess:frioe
is: :1
the walls of the House, and what had taken they felt that they could not go through the ba Tbe
place within the House consisted of a few woids
Graham) declared it then as his opinion .1 00 4
that
tse;)iononlu.soßwaitreoenee: theh dropped in the heat of debate. He did not think
Grg giber for Ripon that lbd 'fit; it possible that the Noble Lord could possibly at this
distance of time charge his memory as to what had fallen
.Committee ought to be recotnhsetrupcatrepdeatheis
of notary
'
),wafsorsupported by the Noe'''' gin%
from him. He was convinced that the whole affair had
(inLothrdat jo.pintounssehlei
arisen out of a misunderstanding, because he was quite
sure that the Hon. Member for Cockermouth was matters, relative to evidence, with the Seoretsetigh/
quite sincere in his measures; he had undertaken Stste. In compliance with this
them on principle, and that accounted in a great Honourable Baronet (Sir James Graham), t tb°
;141,butht,e
measure for the warmth with which he spoke. He was determined, on the 30th gbf'
tterg'"'
frSaemcrewthaeryt for the
uCe°l3l°,,- anretiabsleh2d, . 'Ol4
Proposal of tbeit wati
of July, ro 000
quite convinced that all this had arisen out of a misun- Chairman of the Committeeshould dreg so ,,
re , ales, dey er
erstanding, and he thought that the House ought not to
twhiethctohmamteitffitecei
entertain the matter any further. He should, therefore,
he
hfeaavreedthtehat properthere wwiatsnesasegserreeraadlyi
imtop_rbeet_s;r:lftc,-_ess:clirht;teih;e.„.;.'':::i
move that the orders of the day be proceeded with.
After a short pause,
Mr. HORSMAN said if he understood that the wishes of the Committee were likely to be. '',7„ tbe L''',,,it'' Li.,
House wished to adopt the resolution of the Noble Lord, the Noble Earl (Earl Grey) was required oer,o g,..et,) 4:4 he hoped he should have an opportunity of saying a few man of the Committee to pport himlnr(E-arril%,-citil ...f.:;_ii;l"
with that
fact that
.‘__ Chairrn fp 'of
words. The letter which had been alluded to had been nesses, was it not a
complaint against the (iZsrl Grey) state tol
misunderstood, and perhaps he ought to state to the declined complying h that request of the Chair
Nob 0 ie. • istei
House what interpretation he meant to put on it, and the part of the Committee? Did not "au bad td
$ll
.",tIP
how far he intended to make any
Opinion,uswhateversuch, and
Noble i n ,
Earl eon, id t:oh- cot ab0:1 dt 1
tsrbr i '4.
,ilO
Noble Lord, and how readily he withdrew any imputation formation
on his conduct. Perhaps it would be more satisfactory the Chairman, that
nhoe,
d ;Iliar'll'ioth 'i/14 OA
that the retractation should not be a mere compliment, his duty? He
hreg'erectotnedsidtheraetdthteo
but that he should tell the house and the Noble Lord fuse to
what he really did feel in the matter. He (Mr. Hors- therancge justice,ovfesue reformation as would
_t_einioo te_av of
~,,eel;
man) believed the Noble Lord was annoyed at his Committee ad and was strongly of.,,T,,tiodsv't; die i 5,040
persevering in his motions respecting the Church the Noble Earl ttohegipvee Wig° els° ;4'o
ion re Ile ~ ; ease
and had taken advantage of those opportunities Ceylon affairs which he had in his possession• he ells 3',,t0
waeurytotpnfroorcmurset.tne e
which he possessed of dispensing with disagreeable hoped that the House and the county would netbst Go' .1,',01
motions which came from Members who had not a appointed in their hopes, ,for all are oyf oPs;°!fatlee Ice/ ,140
party, and had incautiously carried his opposition to too vernment cannot with any appearance o to b
.4, i
great an extent. He believed the utmost that the Noble back those witnesses that a-re supposed to ]sable .• Isr
Lord intended to do was to annoy him (Mr. Horsmat), the necessary information, s "el'
tioa ) I,
e aue3 Ai s. li, li
and ho must admit that his Noble Friend had Lord J. RUSSELL said, that although Wje e', a"" e ,alt
given him reason to complain, for imputations of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had put had "sdeeavoak- :40.0•0
personalohl motives had been cast upon him, of which the tinctly answered the other day, be would ene sebie' ibl',
tahsattohethdeiidr
unnottrogtiLe himlio tashe.
Lord was the only party who knew the injustice,
his disappointed
testimony very shortly to explain what were the views
wit the gr .-I;iir
and hee
benefit feltofhis Hon. Friend Mr. Hawes) bad moved for ifeo ere' ; Ira
awed the Noble pointment of the( Committee of which be h?clbege I.ligi! li
Lord that there never should be t.
revival of such differences •
again, and he promised
be most anxious not to allude to anything in thea
that in the discussion ofpublic Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) what he meant wan 1
, ohm,. Earl ..
tee. As he (Lord J. Russell) understood eo, this ..—.l
questions he would —that he supposed by the resolution toehe''Neble A''''te li,
smallest degree painful to the Noble Lord
hagdaiwnritteenzwphreicsshedeohuilsdsibneeeraet raegilre
disct forre
eaanbylteh itnog the Committee should communicate to t
..,
„ore
~,), , s
A • he the Secretary of State for the Colonies with rear a
~.• 'jas
• e shoe • e
,Tr -a,
°rain'? g '' )
cc be I
feelings of the Noble Lord, in g thehe. the vvitnesses whom he and the Committe A
necessary to have produced before them. , et, is d s` ,
triCaS At - il
that he had written or uttered
and retracting every word the Committee next day agreed on two an n .... . 0
.4
vatso • Bah •t ,
to that was at all calculated summoned, one of whom Was Captsin 1 , aro J.L,, st Jo
impugn the motives or acts of the Noble Lord, they had been summoned in consequeace.--(13: ate (Pi
,es's,ll
or his Right Honourable Colleague the if h. Hon. Friendthe Under-Secretary of ''''i 600 ° 'Lesi
Secre- is
tary of State for the Home De he begged Hawes) had been told, when that laic
partment, reso u
esela' es
s r to ' ),"
to
apologise to the House that he should have been the the Committee was moved, "Now, mind, tilts
I° d V 'l
cause of
Potunlitt en • sff s
taking up so much of their time uselessly.tion means that your Chairman of the state,
0,0 fa ,I
Lord J. RUSSELL ct • 1 had • d •
or am yreceive the im- of 0 ,
have absolute power over the Secretary do 0
pression from the letter that the Hon. Gentleman sup- is to order him during the next six mouths to e„...wa?o
posed that he intended to deceive him, and he felt most please, and he is to have no discretion or optiontsereel
unconscious of any such intention. However, he had then, his Hon. Friend would have refused t 0 °" and
..
0 L' „elivt,
heard with
great satisfaction that the Honourable any such resolution.—(Hear, hear.) Th 0 tbo— of '
Gentleman did not now persist in the charge, but de- Learned Gentleman (Mr. Stuart) would, he streteilloti .
Glared that he never intended to make it. Now with hardly assert that it would not be a great
shed regard to the latter observations of the Hon. Gentleman, the powers of the Committees of the House if if Vic :.
,1
he could of course only attribute them to his proceed- complete control over the Secretaries of State'cf ter
fb'e
..,'0),
ings in pressing forward certain questions with an earnest were three Committees appointed at the endl ofers'of :11
desire to serve the public, and he believed in pressing sion, and that the Chairmen were to have Power ; i ;
sder.ne eO. , , t.,SA forward these questions the Hon. Gentleman had no three Secretaries of State, with respect to oi,s etreteP_,r, os''.,ea
other object but the general benefit of the public. The witnesses they pleased, ho was sure that wag l'et.„(flfts
Hon. Gentleman however, must remember that ho (Lord authority to which the House would 0.°J,,,, Carotid
John Russell) stood in a different position to what he did, hear.) With regard to the proceedings or 7hey woo,.
for while the Honourable Gentleman was at liberty to tee, he could only say that when they sat nd coal or.
press his views and intentions upon the House to have full power to summon the witnesses, e aFfiend toad
the fullest extent, he (Lord John Russell), as a cility would be given to them by his Noble the Ilon
Minister of the Crown, when he undertook any measure rive at the lacta of the case. But ''s inquirY filet
it was his duty to show that the measure was not Learned Gentleman thought that in the „c,,aardt',',„,
only just, but to wait patiently till the House was was one part of the question to be entirelS' ofoB no 0:1'1;
there was not '
clearly or that opinion before he could expect to b© sue- and that was the defence—and that vies tee
cessful in carrying it,through. In regard, therefore, to the to be heard on the part of the defence---,as_sented to, ieh
particular measure which had given rise to this dispute condition on which he (Lord J. Russell) ;in!, on let
he had felt it required not only the further attention of appointment of the Committee. The Pun • i- was' p-
h appointed be all
the House, but the serious consideration of parties out of he understood the Committee to -e defence
it before he could hope to have it agreed to, and he was the accusation be heard, but let not the o
de'
the
very happy that the Honourable Gentleman was now Pressed.—(Hear, hear.) i for dbe
estla 01
ready to make every allowance for the position in which Mr. ADDERLEY said, it was not e sent wno the
he (Lord John Russell) had been placed. For fence to precede the charge. That prate 0
Lord. `isi'obe
his own part he could assure the Honourable Gentle- new under the proposition of the Noble_ere___ a the the
any that he should be always ready to grant him other hand he repudiated the int,
_,n_ucuhairestr_o,o„l3o
any reasonable indulgence that he might require
Lord, that the Committee, through their
lat the head. '„:,,e
upon these subjects, and again he gave him full credit presumed to dictate to the Noble lie'. _ . , _
et:awned etb"o
for the honor of his intentions and purity of his motives, colonies as to what witnesses sho,,ucido "
rleiul,„lv ecee4t
Sir GEORGE GREY wished to add one word only Committee had suegested two naii_i_conrn
mitre
o—'4oese" to this discussion, and that was simply to express the Noble Lord had put it as if the C
_., these vi`Aitely
satisfaction he felt at the manner in which the Hon. to propose two witnesEer. But,,ouPl'"ittee imovat.oeu noint
Gentleman had retracted the charge. At the being mentioned, the whole C ms"'„ cull t h_h,ed
same time he must add his "fwhile said, " but there are other witnesseirt,e_e the prsueture
egret 1 , ' a posing
b 0 under the unjust r
imputation which
of the long protraction of mat tial la at'inent
so prow' coOlgis
the charge,,,,of
Conveyed, he was betrayed to any ings by court-martial, which foren_le or the
nr°3'l4 94 feeling or expression. He could only assure 9f. the inquiry." The only fair course