The Sun.
London, England, 1857-07-31 00:00:00

POLICE (SCOTLAND) BILL.

The committee on the bill was resumed at clause 24.
Clauses from 24 up to 36 inclusive were agreed to,
with amerylmeuts.
Clause 37 was stray.k out.

The remaining clau,toa were then agree 1 to.

The LORD ADVOCATE proposed a clause exempt.
ing Orkr ey and Shetland from the provisions of the bill.
Mr. STIRLING opposed the clause.

The elauspi was, aftPr a disetissiue, withdrawn.

The LORD ADVOCATE then moved the insertion
of a clause to exempt police vans from turnpike toll.;,
which was al-o opposed, and pressed to a division.
The numbers were—
For the clause
Agninsltit

Majority

~ -53

The clause was then added to the bill.
The LORD ADVOCATE proposed a clause for regu-
lating the assessments to the police rate, and providing
that the whole rate should be paid by the landlord.
Mr. STIRLING objected to the clause, and moved
a►n amendment that the rate s'aou'd be levied equally on
the landlord and tenant.
After a discus ion the committee divided,
For the amendment
Against it
Majirrity -41
The clause was nltimately added to the bill.
On the clause giving powers to boroughs and counties
to amalgamate for the purpose of this act,
Sir J. OGILVIE moved an amendment to leave nut
to the end of the c:anse, and insert—" but it shall not
be lawful for either party to alter or put an end to such
consolidation in the manner hereinbefore provided till
after the expiring of two years from the date of such
consolidation."
The committee divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment l2
Against it

Majority 67
The Clang!!! was agreed to and added to this bill.
Several other clauses were added, and the bill passed
through committee.
The house resumed.
NEW ZEALAND LOAN GUARANTEE BILL.
9.. n, the motion for the second reading of the bill,
J. TItELAWNY complained that the Govern-
ment
~.(1 given no re:vow; to the house for guarantee-
' g tb" leanof 500,0001. to New Zealand. He con-
sidered there
and he wtzis no sufficient security for this loan,
moved
six month. The excond reading of the bill this day
120,000/. for the vide of the loans were first to pay
,0001retdoemption of the colonial debt ;
secondly, 200
musathe New Z.ialand Company in
respect of former t
towards the ex' inction orit.cl'ins' and' thirdly, 180,0001.
complained of *fights of the natives fur
their lands. He corn
manner in which the
natives had been treated in reference
y ;734tatheir lands, and
he gave an instance where on!
referred to to the for upwards of 190,000 acres, He were to be paid
!one of the
for-
mation of the committee, who reported
bill, and the witnesses examined. The
said, comprised eight, members, three 0177:1; be
whom were colonial in their feelings and dispositianosi
or likely to be favourable to the colonies, whilst there
were but few of them who might be considered inte-
rested in this subject for the sake of the public. ()fly
two witnesses were examined by the committee, one the
prime minister of New Zealand, and the other a gentle-
man connected with the Colonial-office. He thought
other gentlemen ought to have been examined by the
committee. The hon. baronet made other objections to
the.bill, one was, that as the New Zealand government
could obtain the money in this country at 8 per cent., h6r
Maieitty'e Goverr ment ought n otto guaran tee th is amour, t
at 4 per cent., and another that the Colonial Assembly
was not unaniinou., on the loan, but adverse to the bid.
There was another reason for not guaranteeing this
money. The Gaierranent of New Zealand was in an
unsettled state, and already had borrowed 300 000/ ,
which did not appear in the evidenca taken by the' cow-
raitt-ze.

—Mr. W. WILLIAMS Reemded - the- amen' Ott.
The fact that tha G.,verunie:.it of Nov? Zealand could

not obtain money in the market at less than 8 per cent.,
showed that their security must be bad. •
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that this country should
be cautious how it guaranteed money, but he
thought there were cases in which it ought, and
could be done safely and satisfactorily. The Govern-
ment bad given such securities to assist rising colonies.
He entered into a detailed statement of the negotiations
that had taken place between this Government and the
Colonial Legislature relative to the guarantee, in the
course of which he said he had informed the Colonial
Government that they must not rely on Parliament as-
senting to his proposition. He considered the loan was
required for a fair and legitimate purpose, but before
submitting this bill to the house he took the
precaution to obtain the appointment of a
committee to investigate it He defended the
committee from the attack of Sir J. Trelawny,
and the right honourable gentleman read the
names of the committee, which included those of Lord
J. Russell, Sir J. Pakington, ex-Colonial Secretary, Mr.
Henley, Mr. J. A. Smith, himself, Lord Stanley, and
Mr. Wise. Mr. J. A. Smith was the only gentleman con-
nected with the New Zealand Company on the commit-
tee. He thought that in a committee of the whole house
he should be able to satisfy them that the money might
be safely guaranteed Unless the colony were guilty of a
gross breach of faith, there was ample security for payment
of capital and interest, viz., the Customs' duties of the
colony and the land fund, the former of which amounted
to 100,060/. a-year, and the latter to 80,0001. After re-
ferring to the debt of 200,0001. owing by the New Zea-
land Government to the New Zealand Company, he
asked the house to agree to the second reading of the
bill.

After some remarks from Mr. GILPIN,
Mr. HENLEY, one of the committee, addressed the
house on the question, but his speech was cut short in
consequence of its being 10 minutes to 4 o'clock.
The debate wag consequently adjourned.
INDIA.—HER MAJESTY'S ANSWER TO THE