The Sun.
London, England, 1850-06-05 00:00:00

BOROUGH OF FINSBURY.

Yesterday evening a croaded meeting of the electors
of Finsbury was held in the extensive racket-grounth
attached to the Belvidere Taveri', Pentonville, in pur-
suenee of a public advertisement, " to take into consi
&ration the present state of the representation of the
borough ot Finsbury, and to adopt such measures es may
be deemed expedient in reference to the same."
Mr. Southey was called to the chair.
Mr. J. H. Te.veent moved the following resolution:—
" That this meeting hails wi.h pleasure and satisfaction
the recent return of their Mernbere, Mr. T. S. Dun-
combo and Mr. T. Wakley, to their Parliamentary duties.
and trust that their health will be renovated so as to
enable them to continue their attendance in the House
of Commons; but, should their health fail them, this
meeting relies upon the honour aid integrity of their
representatives to resign their seats."
Mr. DicK seconded the resolution.
Mr. ReceeenD Moonie proposed the following amend-
ment, " That this meeting deeply laments the pro-
tracted illness of the representatives cf the borough
should have deprived their constituents of their services
during so long a period of the present Parliament; awl
it earnestly hopes that the recent auspicious improl e-
ment may restore them to the enjoyment of good health
and to the constituents cf Finsbury the resumption of
their former services; and this meeting further desires
to evince its earnest sympathy with these gentlemen b)
leaving it entirely to their own sense of the respect due
to their constituents, and of the magnitude of the in
terests in their charge, not less than their own sense of
honour, whether they should continue to retain the po.,i-
tion they occupy, it, unfortunately, their own and our
hopes 01 improved health should, after the present ses-
sion of Parliament, be again subject to disappointment."
He observed, that he moved the amendment because he
thought the resolution did not express sufficient sym-
pathy fur the unfortunate circumstances which had led
to the absence of their representatives from the House 01
Commons. He believed that both their Members had
discharged their duties conscientiously.—(hear.)
Mr. SMITH seconded the amendment.
Mr. O'CONNOR, M.P., said that twenty years ago he
sat in the House of Commons with Mr. Duncombe, :De
from that hour there was not a man who could chargt
him with an ect of inconsistency. Were the electors ot
Finsbury men who could show ingratitude to one who
had served them faithfully, find who was now suffering
in his health through his exertions in their behalf?
believed not.—(Hear.) He thought that there was
clique in that borough who were endeavouring to turn
their Members out tor the purpose of endeavouring ti
get one of their party returned for the bortioutgah.—mocLeoiund.
cries of "No" and '• Yes.") There was n
dependent Member in the House of Commonsot
to
thanheMsr(.,
Duncombe.—(llear.) He implored them not
ue
base as to turn a man awayi,wlbvohhatadofinwakdi his health
h)
lre
in their service.—(A voice—
Cap
. did not speak either _
any one point to a dishonestfor
e motion
oonf
orM rt.h We
amendment;
e to;
tbhuetirhocoantfitednednecde tihner:icalsl awnhenlehctaodr thoenunrgefattthheimul toto putthe
trust reposed in them.—(Cheers.)
Dr. Errs supported the amendment, and observed,
that when the borough was net properly represented the
electors were called upon to consider what steps they
ought to take in order to have Members who could at-
tend to their duties.
Several other electors addressed the meeting, wher
ru
upon a call of question being raised
and es
raised,
The CHAIRMAN put the amendment
upon which the former was carried by a large majority.oltion,
Thanks were voted to the chairman, and the meeta
ng
separated.

THE PRINTER'S PENSION SOClETY.—Yesterday
evening a general meeting of the committee of management
and other members taking an
active interest in the prospe-
rity of this institution, founded in 1827 for the relief of
aged and infirm printers pressmen and compositors—and
London
their widows, by permanent pensions, was held, at the
Tavern,
here detailedare
nowt li e general nnelraallonss
for general business.
and The report for the
psoacsitety-e.arTprospects. of the
the funds, and 163 persons have, since the foip.
state
and e female
society, oeinsatiroonneorts.
theen
participateu in its benefits. The principal capita!
invested at the present time amounts to 5,512/, 17s. 3d. The
anniversary dinner, in May last, presided over by Frederick
Peel; Esq., 51. P., produced a sum exceeding 300/. 'lle
financial statement for the past year showed the receipts,
including a balance of the previous year of 661. 15s. 4u.. re
be, from all sources, 9101. 181. °d., leaving an available
balance for the current year of 40/. 12.5. 2d.
I\L E INCIIESTR TRADE IZEPORT, JUNE 4.—To-day's
market has Leen very firm, but a small amount of busino:s
bas been done. Many of the pressing orders which corn-
pent(' manufacturers to purchase yarns at the advanced
prices of this day
pears a disposition to decline extensive engagements, while
week having been completed, there ap-
there is so little money in for profit between the prices of all
kinds of yr:l-ns and those of the finished fabric. On the other
hand, spinners adhere firmly to the advanced rates, and even
show a disposition towards a still further increase in prices.
Water twist, mule, and cops maintain theut ratesaodnvatnhceedwho.
e the of
last week. A few transactions have been effected in the
coarser yarns, 20's to 30's. A small business has been done
ins pH, tine cloths, and madapollains, but
cloth nier," ;:a, I,cen V,IY . ltd.
THE ,EON TRADE.---Notwithstamling the number
of furnaces put out of blast both in Scotland- and Stafford-
shire, their is still as abnace of imp
r9Yement in tills trade,

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, June 4.

SUNDAY TRADING PREVENTION BILL.

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH wished, before pro-
ceeding to another stage of this Bill, to draw
their Lordsh re' attention to the subject. Not
ono of their Lordships, not one of the upper classes,
would be interfered with; they might have their carriages,
they might make their journeys, they might take their
pleasure, but the poor man could not buy one pound of tea
or ono pound of bread after twelve o'clock on Saturday
night; and the poor man who received his wages late,
and unable to purchase his provisions, would be driven
to the cook-shop for his dinner; and nothing could be
more detrimental to the morality of the lower classes than
to drive them from their homes on a Sunday. There
was one clause authorising the police to seize provisions
soldtelfohgoDa:e.
against
o:tp
confusion,
°flat
nhot
ne Sunday,
snbr
yco
thereavn qtr.yi
ds,
ao hgnal
Mayne,
eyse
eteivuretel
ehddl
that
thweaas:rnnenedanr
create
oe
thewa s
police borne ot
.oaoonol would strongreexr cs iot
net es;
.r"e:agot
would be violating the law, and Mr. Mayne had refused to
stiffer them to make seizures under local Acts, because
it tended to a breach of the peace, as the women and
children flew out and resisted, and he did not think the
selling things in the street on Sunday existed to such
en extent as to authorise the intererence of the police.
He was desirous to put an end to Sunday trading, but
he thought it was better to suffer Sunday trading than
to create a Sunday riot. He thought that public-houses
should be closed earlier on Saturday night, and that the
markets ah(,uld be permitted to remain open until
two o'clock on Sunday morning, and he
e culd stop all trading on Sunday morning
hetween ten and one o'clock, but he did not feel
disposed to propose any amendment in the Bill.
He would, however, caution their Lordships as to how
they legislated on a matter which would not affect their
comforts, but which did affect materially the comforts of
the poor man.
The Earl of HARROWBY did not see any analogy
between the cases of the rich and poor man as described
by the Noble Earl. He had no apprehension as to the
interference of the police, and he therefore thought the
objections of the Noble Earl on that score were fanciful
and overstrained. There was a provision in the Bill by
which fruit and other perishable articles of food could
be sold within certain hours on the Sunday.
The 'Earl of MOUNTCASHELL said the Bill had
originated not with any Member of that House, but
with the shopkeepers and workmen in the metropolis,
who had begged the interference of Parliament in the
matter as a favour.

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH denied altogether
that the Bill was the Bill of the labourer; it was the
Bill of the retail shopkeeper, and nothing else.
Lord BEAUMONT, as a member of the Committee
on the Bill, had not come to the conclusion that the Bill
was a poor man's Bill, or one in favour of the labourer.
The Bill, in its details, appeared to him very ill-drawn,
and ho scarcely knew as a question of police one more
dangerous. He therefore objected to the Bill, because
it adopted the wrong manner of effectinT the end it had
in view; but ho admitted that the Noble Earl had suc-
,Teded in establishing in the Committee a better ground
fur interference than he (Lord Beaumont) had any pre-
vious idea was possible.
Lord PORTMAN said the discussion was one fir the
second reading, not for that stage ; and it was, there-
fore, contrary to the standing orders of the House.
The report was then agreed to.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 4.
DUBLIN HOSPITALS.
Mr. GROGAN then proceeded with his motion for a
Select Committee to inquire into the condition of the
Dublin hospitals. If the Government granted the Com-
mittee for which he roofed, he should be able to show
conclusively that the grants hitherto made to these in-
stitutions should be continued, The Hon. and Learned
Gentleman proceeded to give a minute detail of the cir•
cumstances under which these hospitals w(re founded,
their present position, and the reasons on which he
grounded his claim for the continuance of the grant to
each. In 1829 a Committee bad inquired into each of
them, and had laid down certain tests by which peen-
asry es,istanse was to be regulated. In 1842 another
Commission had instituted a strict investigation into
their management, and bad in every instance recom-
mended the continuance of the former grants. He
thought that the Committee of 1847-8, which recom-
mended the withdrawal of these grants, had jumped
-omewhat hastily to that conclusion, and were not justi-
fied by the facts of the case. At all events, there could
be no harm from granting the investigation which he
now sought by a Select Committee. If the recommen-
dations of the Committee of 1847.8 were based on
justice, they would be sustained. If, on the contrary,
as he believed would be the case, he was able to
show that those institutions would undergo the severest
test that could be applied to them, either as regarded
the economy of their management or the extensive be•
nefits they conferred upon the poor of the city of Dub-
lin, as well as their value as medical and surgical schools
—he confidently hoped that the Government would con-
done the support formerly given to institutions of such
great utility.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON seconded the motion.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
chat if ever a case was fully inquired into ny a Select
Committee it was that in relation to the Dublin hospitals.
Every information on the subject had been laid before
that select Committee, end that information was now on
the table of the House. The real object of the Hon.
Gentleman was to put a stop to the reductions contem-
plated by the Golernmen: in this matter. Now, the
Committee in question recommended that these grants of
money to those institutions should be gradually reduced,
and the Government were acting on that recommends-
don. He must therefore oppose the motion.
The motion was the❑ negative& without a division.

IRISH POOR-LAW.

Mr. F. FRENCH rose to move the following resolu-

tions:—
" That it is the opinion of this House that no perma-
nent system f,r the relief (,f the po3r in Ireland can be
carried out safely or beneficially, to receivers or rate-
payers, without a return to the principle of the original
9onr-law if IS3B, by the strict application of in-door re-
;ief to all classes of paupers.
That the system of appointms.nt of vice-guardians
with unconstitutional and uldimited powers of taxAtion,
has proved most objectionable, and should be forthwith
abolished.
" That the present system of administration of the
poor-law in Ireland is unnecessarily extravagant, un-
suited to the diminished resources of that country, and
tends considerably to the demoralisation of the people.
" That it is unjust to throw on one species of pro-
perty, and that the most suffering, the entire support of

the poor in Ireland."
The Hon. Gentleman said that his object was not to
overthrow the poor-law system in Ireland, but to ame-
liorate its baneful influences, owing to the manner in
which it was carried out. In addition to the grant of
5.000,000/. by Parliament, there hal been contributions
to the extent of 1,500,0001. given to assist Ireland in her
tilfli:ulties. This money, if it had been properly ap-
plied, would have done much good, but such was not the
case. He thanked the Government for the sympathy
which it had displayed towards Ireland, and the muni-
ficence of Parliament to sustain his country in her day
of trial, merited his warmest acknowledgments. The
Honourable Gentleman then referred to his first reso-
lution, and read extracts from the evidence of several
coor-law commissioners, to show the necessity of en-
forcing in-door relief, as out-door relief had led to
great demoralisation. The Marquis of Lansdowne
also expressed his opposition to out-door relief. Lord
John Russell expressed a similar opinion. The Hon.
Gentleman next referred to the second resolution,
and contendekthat the system of appointment fought,tiardians had proved most objectionable and g
"therefore to be abolished. Their object would never be
attained by means of a system which went to destroy
end, of
nothingcaital
the landed interest altogether. The principle of their
ecrislation in selling the fee of the land, according to
the current
iaw were expenses
continued,
ti u
ute
the doctrine of political economy, amounted to nothing
Shment of
Ifotrht of a p
err
esenaty
state of
could tend more to encourage pauperism. trample on
the rights of property, and violate the principle of jus-
tice. The Hon. Member concluded by moving his re-
solutions.

—Lord NAAS, in seconding the resolutions, said be
believed that the evils incidental to the poor-law system
at present in force in Ireland, great as they a ere, were
much enhanced by the indiscriminate granting
of out-door relief, and the dangerous power of unli-
mited taxation. It was a fallacious principle in all
Theirpoor- duty, l aw
legislation to provide only for the present.
he apprehended, was to provide in an equal
degree for the future condition of the people, as it
would be affected by their enactments, and, above all.
to take care that the influence of the law should
diminish whatever spirit of self-dependence might be
manifested in the objects of their
could be more dangerous to sifiety at large, or more
le,gislat,nn. Nothing
calculated to surrcuad them with tiltheUlt9oo.3lll
framing
respect showed
w laws
those
this
n.
considerations.h
which no
nthoarnerathrde
heandabcetmenenrcaiodf
tola.
procure a more eco-
nomicalthe influx
other causes
very clearly that they wo.ualdtionhsovre suc-
cessfullytleegrisaltaetsedthmaonreco
and useful application
and
they had "
The
effects
had oi
the
the y Irish
endeavoured poor-law
ti_on thi.
of irresponsible men, a
t by encouraging
possibly be expected to prdocieted from theaamdmedinisintragtroondd
it was not surprising that the greatest dissatisfaction
teinogunintadlues industry
m thee©
distress, and demoralization should exist in the poorer
earnestof
aapit
capital
at
intosia
theua
districts, and he could see no chance of its being altered
until the commissioners were made to act upon ft more
rational system. This resolution was not proposed in
01 position to the poor-law, for the people of Ireland
preferred the present poor-law, such as it way, to none
at all.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said it could not be denied
rs ee
sao-laustinoont
hadindi different
been
, the
ar as
al lbti he
ce t poi o t n ti sa
gembraced
thine
the subject was one of importance, and ono to which the
lithoeu
Committee appointed upon the subject of the Irish poor.
laws, and had been afterwards fully discussed in the
House. It could not be, and W 25 not, denied, that many
Irish Members were opposed to any poor-law at all for
that country. The Hon. Member who proposed this re-
solution condemned the system of nut door relief, b
he omitted to (explain how they could have avoided
giving out-dour relief in the Ist, edamiteus state of Ire-
land. lie was no friend to out-door relief in ordinary
circumstances, and it was resorted to only under over-
whelming circumstances, and at the present moment
there was no out-door relief at all granted to the able-
boded, nor to any able-bodied per on in any union in Ire-
land. A great diminution in the number of persons so re-
lieved,
evident, foe in the wc.(-A eudirvz tbf- 12!h of
,i
7:97 Lumber eF cee,,aus ;09; en,; -.,.e, sln '.)Pc.
:,,,, :
and in the week ending the 12tH of &lay, 1850, it wee
- 125,250, and at the same period the number of able-
, Wild relieyed mu 165,049, and at the correopendin