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empartiality, and grant to the people of Ireland what they were
•cleirly entitled to, he should not despair of the Roman Catholics
i'dbilise heart and hand with such a proposition. For the pre.
sent, he thought that everything should be done to improve the
College of Illayneoth—( Hear, hear)—and that double the
amount that vests at present allowed by the Government
tir!, that esneolishment ought to be granted to it.
iib_heeerra,toehl to be greater means given to colleges at which
education could be derived. When he spoke of a
rst education, and when he spoke of the Roman Catho-
los of. Ireland, he must say that he was not one of those who
'thought it at all necessary that Roman Catholics should be
taken from a higher class of society, or that they should be.
rig to a diffsrent class to that to which they at present be-
tinged. lie thought there was a great defect at present iu
their education. Still, however, there was a principle in the
Boman Cath lie Church einieb was not unworthy of any
'other Christian Church, by which a person, however low,
'could rise to eminence in the Chteech. Such, then, were his
opiniopinions with respect to this subject. All that he would do
ons
Present would be to improve the system of education in
Ireland and to give larger sums towards it. He thought they
'lught, to g
were give the same advantages to the Roman Catholic
tlerg.r• as possessed by the clergy of the Protestant
lear et
• At 0".1 events, he thought those derogatory distinc-
!tens oug ht
new . to be taken from the Roman Catholic clergy.
•..e eis_
Ild not the bishops be allowed to call themselves by
•
ss'ae of the diocese over which they were placed?—( Hear. )
te 'bought it was an unwise and a foolish thing not to allow
re ern to do so. Why should not Dr. Murray be called the
iciopan Catholic Archbishop of Ireland ? He w. as the A.rch-
tiesbop of Ireland. His character was held in the highest estima.-
t;'", althens,,h he had not received much countenance from
'Se Lord Lieutenant of Ireland: If there was any advantage
nosyeegOttenrchbs bt he: Act of Union to the Protestant Church, which
gi to the Catholic Church and the l'resbyterian
Ins • should at once be abolished. There still re-
/fa:libel. the question of the E tablished Church in Ireland.
believed that Archbishop Whately had put. forward a plan
44 'take the Church a Church of cangregations and not a
!t}lurch of parishes. They had heard lastyear that even where
With here Isere two l'rotestants in a parish, a minister was endowed
a sufficient income to attend to the spititual wants of
tbose two persons. In that parish there might have been 3,000
5,003 Cathol es, and it would be evident that no parochial
listribution could fairly be made. Another instance was stated
..,ali.ntiysteearr. In a parish, where there were 1,000 Protestants, a
'Ts,trucreasedw. as
appointed with 1001. a-year. In such a ease as
he thought the income of the minister ought to have been
He thought the income of the Irish Church was
ogre than any Church on the Continent possessed. They had,
°bent 450,0001. as a perpetuity fund. How this large
441" tit was applied be was at a loss to imagine. By the &boll-
. 4'l of the 25 per cent, of the tithes of the clergy, a sum of
'°ool. had been saved. Had this sum gone to the exten-
ZOll of spiritual instruction—had it. gone to the extension of
idlueation ? No, it had gone to benefit the landlords. He
,tet!ught, therefore, that if they could diminish the income of
e'''' clef for such a purpose, they might at least do
-0 to advance spiritual instruction and education. He came
.12""
The, 0 the most important question of all, namely,
e.‘ of landlord and tenant. He would refer the House. to the
61:teltient made by Mr. O'Connell on this subject, and if that
ief lenient were founded on truth, it became incumbent on that
Aferesre,,to enter seriously into the consideration of the subject.
jo u Connell said the connexion between landlord and tenant
'reland was a most vicious one. The labouring population
teethe n the extreme verge of destitution. The system had led
page most horrible crimes. It was, therefore, necessary to
hire 34ch a revision of the system as would give the landlord a
tent for his land and the tenant a just return for his labour..ffi
teliteylandilord and tenant question was one of the utmost dit. -
faeto,t.y t was indeed a task to place these relations on asa isd-
footing.. It was impossible to read those passages an
eql "0 admit that Mr. O'Connell, the leader of the people,
front business it was to hold out for immediate advantages
ta "Peal, must have been deeply impressed with the impor-
-641" of this question, when he saia that the relation of it was
teed with danger, Be (Lord J. Russell) would not venture
ThsaeY what should be the course of legislation on this subject.
etei Gwerinwent had appointed a Commission to obtain further
IllueZe,e• Vi
on e doubted whether further evidence was necessary.
Xee "ad already been given the subject before Committees
Aleteerniseissioners. Such statements as were in the pam-
Pree„.,:itled " A Cry from Ireland," and which recorded the
teimangs of one of the landlords, Richard Shee of Blackwell
te. -.e, were truly painful to peruse. The narratives recorded
Zeal were were truly heert.rending, and he would not venture to
11-,.4 them to the House if they were not supported
good evidence. All these statements could not be
and if there were any of them true, it sufficiently proved
1),e4 tithe name of the the law, the powers of the law had
eteiueused, and that the power of the landlords had been ex-
/er to an extent truly dreadful. He thought it would tend
tele "Meh to the mitigation, if not to the removal, of those
lliee-tn if steps were takeh to make the administration of jus•
"nouet°re Pure and above all, to separate more from the land-
tlae e of the eonntry thefunctions of magistrate. He thought
14thezt!"ion of stipendiary magistrates would be very desirable..
tilted in of Mr. Fox, he wished to see the laws
.adminis-
deneeT spirit of equity and impartiality, so as to give confi-
itiethose- 'the people. He hoped, by such means, that many of
(lets of rapacity and violence on the one hand, and venge-
lse ‘eartd cruelty on the other, would be curbed and checked ; but
-70,-;euld not venture to say that he knew of any direct remedy
vies° great, so extensive, and so long-enduring an
.evil. It
„%traet'„earlY a century since circumstances
.as horrible and
'4esn's-s as general as now existed, occurred in Ireland. Let
etad. riot think that a few pages of an Act of Parliament weuld
the i,clate such evils.—(Hear, hear.) Having now detained
eriee „„ouse at such length—(Cries no," and loud
e'ltee7 't Hear, hear," from the Opposition)—he would not
Aatici into the various complaints which had been made re-
tie% ng the present condition of Ireland. (The Noble Lord
l'ery ,eread an extract from the speech of Mr. Fox, delivered
the sh-,:lirtlY after the union had been carried, with respect to
:21414.it in which that country should be governed, and which
%ed. \stens were applicable to the present state of Ire-
Were Mr. Fox denied that the people of that country
Ikison disloyal, or tainted with treason, and. with the
digs' Jacobinical principles ; and he said that no
reisoften existed, except what had resulted from the faults
'great ervernnaent.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. Fox said he knew a
eterti eal of Ireland, both from having been in that country, and
)era .nrianY private individuals. He knew that that people
leeli-nirritable and alive to injury—that they possessed quick
bgl4B.and quick resentment ; but he said, that of all the feel-
ighesleb actuated them none was more predominant, from the
Apes s to the lowest classes than
gratitude for benefactions
than gensibility of kindness. Let the English Government
tereete their system of policy, and they would find them a dif-
:Led 10,1)".'Ple—let them try the effects of good government,unev
40r 40.3 inapartialy administered, and there would be dtl .
nittlarY governments or executions. Such were the send
hce,--'s cif Mr. Fox, who had been long in his grave, an
ef
the
remains were interred close at hand, in that receptacle
se!be great and the good of all ages. Such were he words od
si°a—such was the spirit that must animate all whore ndeavoure
.:pakrtno,Amaostetbtehe welfare and the happiness of the L ish people.
system which Mr. Fox, loving Ireland, bad said
:oh eplevoive)loetl(be a system to conciliate the affections of the
Loud cheers.) The House had now an oppor-
tilinnitY—a late opportunity it was true, but still sufficiently in
Potulliiteeldftorafr realisingtth that which Mr. Fox had said was the true
c country to pursue after Ireland should have been
hike, • —(Cheers. ) He was reminded of what had been
die.r u respecting another countr whi h had been lone greatly
ee'stied,ered after its union with Enyglandn, and which been tued
eseott by one of Scotland's most gifted sons, Sir Walter
e---(Cheers.) Sir Walter Scott stated that when George
toteer'eame to the throne, the people of Scotland began to look
ere_beiii-'o3nt Young sovereign for repose after the disorders and
Augtry nd redress of those wrongs which had agitated the
Mg the reign of his grandfather, after the Acts of
Ziteedets ent proscribing the language and dress of the High -
-teeee which had produced irritation and resistance. An
thtley. 'aldt been proposed for a commis.sion in his Majesty's
se 5i4 was represented to the Sovereign that he fought on
t‘etioosl(lthe Pretender, and had
.performed many gallant
°lleht ohs service ‘' Well," replied the King, "if he has
well against me, he will, no doubt, fight equally for
la " The
the n. reply," said Sir Walter Scott, " was circulated
Ash eir ithst ighlands, and, although the Highlanders retained
oat I:ac notions of the right of the House of Stuart, yet
Old theirla attachment to the reigning family that they
teabovee / down their lives for a Prince of the House of
Ztale ---(Cheers.) We had now a young Queen upon the
e'lland during the time of her grandfather many cala-
etre were fallen upon Ireland. There had been a rebellion.—
the Le several oppressive laws enacted, both by the Irish
ae/tnee 'bglish Parliament and these laws had produced re-
Sheßev°4 the part of the people.—( Hear, hear.) Their pre-
\v wasereign
Was
as
young as George 111. had then been.
shoullp..)arated from the memory of those calamities.
Pet'r sUbjeettlet the present Queen reign over the hearts of her
a 8 St so that ,however attached they might be to ref
fie tee fro abstract question, the real benefits which they could
0,441'4 a perfect equalit'y of laws, and from an equal and
ttti!ta to ioistr at ion of -usticc—( Loud cheers)—would bind
eeill3e? Lie? country by a jreal, a perfect, and an indissoluble
oeitable
01-'o44d cheers.) What was there to prevent such. a
Sover Irnatioa ?—( Cheers.) Not the peponal wish
tha 'llO eign.---(Loud cheers.) That Sovereign he had
17:K. a she onour to• serve, and for any one to be more anxious
Ple tt, was to secure the benefit and happiness of the Irish
te.6lled imPossible.—(Loud cheers.) He had never, when te4t, tee office of Secrete! of State for the Home Depart-
pak -att"ed any intimationYfrom that Sovereign that did not
equal regard for Catholic, Protestant, and Presby-
Ilist° Peel)] °e'l cheers.) Who, then, would stand between the
woniland this most desirable consummation ?—(Cheers.)
te-irklehegepprevent Ireland from being what Scotland was—
eof 4614)fr0m being united with England by a real
Procal affection ?—( Cheers. ) Would the House
the,: todeeTinense cheering.) If the House should so decide,
fishels'seleee`i:, would they beaking a heavy responsibility upon
Bor exposing their country for many years to
.th.e
dat Power Pr.ecarious dominion over Ireland, and of chum-
,tstlt the H °nth regard to foreign nations.—( Loud cheers.)
54.1setion°53e, rising above those prejudices, and showing
Isaiptiotie together to th spirit of party, should desire to unite the
rieerAting in in the bonds of reciprocal affection, and,
gletribtle cate Spirit of justice, should rely upon the love
btouiTts inherits of the Irish people to make that country a
r ottid° sutureelnee, and the source of strength for England, he
'Lord 4e ,o answer for it, that the hopes of the House
trettleeeheiode"i3appoirited. (Immense cheering.) The !Noble
111 "out '"` ba' moving his resolution, and sat down amidst
r. cheerio
the ZY-YsE g from all parts of the House.
'3,1 • 'Noble , seconded the motion which had been proposed
elee Just 1-od in the eloquent speech to which the House
I,:eagerlee listened A . . • •
much by its
ti as h 'e speech distinguished as
'sue e dann / Its justice calculated only to awake England
ri.ftre4erstreetebil, she was incurring. How marked was
`tqUin In th e'ween the present period and the year
Nt. 14 down et year thee had a Minister of the Crown
Thsi'lletheeeewoullea:tade:ring that rather than run the risk of civil
eo
ariii the, Ppressioene his own friends, and break down the
which he had assisted in building up.
,leheteaffeetien e h,,a;l accepted the proffered boon with kindness
`44se %as noth. ":nen the Emancipation Act had been passed,
tee
'stnsPeron ing, either in the statute-book or in the roll of
itt etre
ation of the
the benefits showthat o
the
out theic administration
4tne Reform It ht be Cat.hdo! sf were admitted to
Act, as of
tenk
,two . Act, that sal o
eeh Jll,tie
thee. e and fairnes courses to pursue,
it was a failure. There were
ttssia, t°
set s towards the people of Ireland, the.
one was to act
''hvard, p w, "n
was
and force. The coduct of
14se ermait otand was intelligible, so was the conductof
Bthiee Went
nrittneeat,ders in Irclend.--f The Right Hon. Gentle-,
ut 4 the e su." man instances of oppression and injuse
eta ecniedstern not onl nd b
i this s rart efEngla
towards Ireland from the invasion.)
tied teed bupon the
Oppressorsthat there should be a day of retribu-
tither n the greatest tu.eart hear.) The penal laws were de-
to harrass and oppress the
!t‘tittluti4riesa;t eaet!e:en:.bl eta
ienreldrel nn gd useii
le country grievously suffered
When,
thEen
gland was in difficulties conces-
%fedee"-J-educatiun ePe°Ple were allowed to receive
ertthtdi: toe and
onierred power, and power led to
eet first
met n among the oppressed. The
ih unblin, till, in a small room in a poor
i:str at the
.; at. length, their numbers increased so
?)edeeggle enaa'nrnetia_nataitoi on could not be resisted. After a
47,w
was
st.•
atnhde
rseam e
boebuteahintsed,,vhainedh
otuhgehtpetoophleavoef
4we4Peeted frotaiiit
all e
stwhas
pirit which so long resisted that
aF i;th t. 4
ttered it as little effective as possible.
pile,ttt4t
rot•ihrrieia.jaaitoaeiEnnerno,tnot f. he Noble Lord the first sympte ms
.Ireland were apparent. He recol-
eine made upon tte aPPointanneult t:eorffie %poi:
RthoeraalnatecaGthoovleilcns: