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ing classes, it would compel the servants of the
company to remain on duty during the whole day. He
objected also to the amendment now proposed.
Mr. Thornely's amendment was then agreed to ;
the other amendments of the Lords were agreed to ; the
Chairman reported progress, and the report was received.
CONGRATULATORY ADDRESS TO HER
MAJESTY.

Sir R. PEEL said—l am convinced I shall be acting
in accordance with the unanimous feeling of this House
if I avail myself of the earliest opportunity of proposing
that we should offer to her Majesty our cordial
congratulations on the happy event which has taken
place this day.—(Cheers.) I am sure that there
will be one feeling of universal satisfaction through-
out this. country that an addition has taken place
to her Majesty's family, and that thus there is an in-
creased guarantee that the Throne of these realms will
long continue in the direct descendants of her Majesty.
Every increase of domestic happiness to her Majesty
will, I am sure, be a cause of grateful satisfaction to her
faithful Commons. And, I therefore beg to
move at once, that this House do present an address
to.her Majesty. expressing.the sentiments which I have
uttered.—(Cheers.)
Lord MARCUS HILL seconded the motion.
An address, which was the echo of the Right Hon.
Baronet's speech, was then read by the Clerk, put by
the Speaker, and agreed to.
CHARITABLE DONATIONS AND BEQUESTS
(IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. SHEIL presented a petition from the Roman
Catholic clergy of the diocese of Cashel against the
Charitable Donations and Bequests (Ireland) Bill, on the
ground that such matters belonged exclusively to eccle-
siastics. He must say that he believed this petition was
drawn up under a misconception of the effect of the Bill—
a Bill which he, for one, must say he could not refrain
from expressing his approbation.
Mr. IN!. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from
Dublin, signed by 196.000 persons, in favour of the re-
peal of the legislative union. Also 73 petitions from
Kerry and other places in Ireland, Salford, Newfound-
land, Canada, and other places, containing, in all, 300,000
signatures, to the same effect.
Mr. MASTERMAN presented a petition from St.
Ann's, Blackfriars, against trading on the Sabbath.
SUDBURY.
_ _

Mr. CHRISTIE wished to know from the Hon.
Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government,
whether the statements contained in the Morning Herald
newspaper, which was now considered the organ of the
Government, were correct, that it was intended to give
the franchise from Sudbury to part of the county of
Middlesex ?
Sir R. PEEL had not heard the report alluded to by
the Hon. Member, that the county of Middlesex was to
enjoy the spoils of Sudbury.—(EJear.) Supposing,
however, that the Government had come to any decision
upon the subject, he thought it would be most unwise to
state what that determination was.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE Wished to know upon what day
it was intended to adjourn the House and for what period.
He was also desirous of knowing when the decision was
likely to take place in the case of the Queen v. O'Connell.
Sir R. PEEL said that no decision would be given till
the judges came to town, at .d he understood that when
they did so they were anxious to have a conference. The
prorogation, however, would not take place until the de •
vision in that case was given. It was his intention either
to-morrow, or Thursday, to move the adjournment to a
certain period, with a view to have the opinions of their
Lordships on the case of Mr. O'Connell.
THE TIMBER TRADE.

Mr. HAWES then proceeded to call the attention of
the President of the Beard of Trade to the petition of
the merchants and importers of deals and other woods.
In the next session it was his intention to call the atten-
tion of the Government more fully to the subject.
Mr. GLADSTONE regretted that such a subject
should be brought under. the consideration of the House
at such a period. He thought it inexpedient to
meddle with the duties on timber at least for
the preset.t session. He was happy to be
able to inform the House, that after nine
months' experience of the working of the new law,
he did not hesitate to say that, as far as the revenue was
concerned, there would be no loss.
Mr. HAWES having replied, the subject dropped.
COMMON-L 1 W PROCESS—CONFERENCE.

Mr. PRINGLE here appeared at the bar and stated
that the House of Lords wished a conference upon the
Courts of Common Law Process Bill.
A conference, was agreed to, which several lion.
Members were appointed to conduct.
After an absence of some length the members of the
conference returned, and
Mr. PRINGLE stated that they had had a conference
with their Lordships, and had left the reasons, disagree-
ing from their Lordships' amendment, with the members
of the conference appointed by their Lordships.
Another conference with the Lords was then ap-
pointed on the Art-Unions Bill.
• - Mr. WYSE returned, and stated that their Lordships
refused to agree to the clauses which gave protection to
certain publishers named in the Bill. The Hon. Gen-
tleman stated, in his opinion, that these clauses ought to
be retained. Protection had been given to persons
against whom qui tam actions had been brought, and he
thought it was not too much to ask for protection for
these eminent publishers. lie therefore moved that the
House do insist on its amendments.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
think it would be politic to put this question at issue.
Mr. T. DUNCOMI3E said, that if the Government
thought these amendments were just, they ought to do
all in their power to have themcarried. He thought
the House ought to insist upon these amendments.
After a few observations from the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER and Mr. BERNAL,
Sir Ry PEEL hoped that the re'ult of their differences
would not be the loss of the Bill, and the exposing of
parties to penalties which they had incurred from vio-
lating; the law. lie thought they ought to delay the
further cons'deratien of the motion.
Mr. IV YS E agreed to postpone his motion till to-
morrow at twelve o'clock.
COUNTY CORONERS BILL.
A message from the Lords informed the House that
Their Lordships had agreed to a conference on the County
Coroners Bill on Thursday next, at five o'clock.
CHURCH PATRONAGE (IRELAND).
Captain BERNAL then rose to move for copies of any
letters or instructions which might have been written to
Lord Ileytesbury, relative to the future disposal of
Church patronage in Ireland, with reference to the
E7lucation. Board. Ile deprecated the course that
had • been pursued by the government of Lord De
Grey, as to the appointments that had been made.
The late Lord-Lieutenant had appointed thirty-nine
Chaplains—an unprecedented number ; and he (Captain
Bernal) understood that the present Lord-Lieutenant
had re-appointed the same persons, all of whom were
opposed to the national system of education. The Right
Honourable Baronet on a former occasion, stated
that the feeling against the national system of
education was fast subsiding. Now he (Captain Bernal)
would venture to say that nobody who was acquainted
with Ireland would-say that this was the case. Imme-
diately after the letter by the Right lion. Gentleman,
which was written to the Lord-Lieutenant in 1841, one
of the Prelates recently appointed, in a sermon, gene-
rally stated that the national system of education of
Ireland inculcated Deism or Mahomedanism. Now this
man was a hi, hop, and he (Captain Bernal) would ask
what would he the effect of such opinions upon the cler-
gymen in that Bishop's diocese ? Another clergyman,
Dr. Daly, in speaking of national education, said that
the Right Hon. Gentleman, in supporting such a system,
was only entering into a God-denying compact with the
Catholics. Now he (Captain Bernal) could not but
thir.k that if the Right Hon. Baronet and the Govern-
ment were sincere in their intentions of carrying out na-
tional education, they would find no difficulty in modi-
fying the opinions of such vituperative clergymen
as these. He had heard . of lawyers roaring
like lions in the Rotunda against national education, yet
voting like asses for an increase in the grant for carrying
it out. If it had not been for the system of national
education in Ireland there would have been a rebellion
in Ireland. He e`.:aled on the Right lion. Baronet to
give some specifile pledge to that House of his sincerity,
and he called on him to produce the correspondence
which hiv:i taken place between himself and the Lord-
Lieutenant on the subject of the disposal of Church
pntr,inage in Ireland.
Sir R. PEEL said it was perfectly true that he had
stated, in the course of a discussion on Irish affairs, that
he had written, in September, 1841, a letter to the Lord-
Lieutenant, to the effect quoted by the lion. Gentleman.
Whether the words were exactly the same he could not
answer for, but the purport of the letter was that to
'which the Hon. Gentleman had referred. He thought
that in the course of that debate it was stated that one
`cause of the inefficiency of the Irish Church was, that
for a long series of years Church patronage had been
made subservient to political interest. He stated then
that al any rate that charge could not apply to the
PretwAt Government, for shortly after the appointment
of Lerd De Grey lie had intimated to the Lord-
Lieutenant that the opinion of her Majesty's Govern-
ment was, that the best mode of strengthening the Irish
Church was to appoint to offices in that Church men of
'unblemish.ed private character and of the highest pro-
fessional merit, and upon the understanding from Lord
De Grey that it was his intention to make that quali-
fication general, he (Sir R. Peel) informed him that he
should never receive from him any solicitation on account
•,of Parliamentary interest. That engagement was lite-
rally and punctually fulfilled. He never did press on
the Lord-Lieutenant any merely political or Par-
liamentary claim, believing that Lord De Grey would
exercise the patronage in the Irish Church according to
the principles laid down in his (Sir R. Peel's) letter
with respect to it. His firm belief was, that Lord De
Grey acted in strict conformity with those reeorntnenda-
lions. He did not believe that Parliamentary interest
bad influenced Lord De Grey in his appointments. The
Hon. Gentleman said that he (Sir R. Peel) had recently
• exhibited zeal in behalf of the national system of educa-
tion. This was not the fact, for when he was in office
in the year 1835 there was an increased grant proposed
for national education. During the whole time the late
Government was in office had he ever opposed this vote?
No; on the contrary, during that period, it received his
cordial support. It was true that he had stated that the
opinions against the national system of education were
on the decline. He stated that on the authority of the
report of the Commission which superintended that
system. He would, in support of this opinion, read to
'!thisHetiSO\aAlithaent of the number of schools which
.bad been- in- -existence under the present system since
the year 183 P :
- Schools. Scholars.
.•1839 . 1,581
, ;01840
1841. . 2,327
2,721
2,f12