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London, England, 1850-06-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock, in
the new Chamber.
Mr. GREENE moved that instructions be given to
the Committee of Selection to fix the first sitting of the
Committee on the Prussian Minister's Residence Bill
three clear days after the second reading of the Bill, if
they shall so think fir.
THIRD READINGS.

The following Bills were then read a third time and
passed:—
Bradford Improvement, Police, and Purchase and Closing
of Bradford Canal.
Cromford and Newhaven Turnpike Road.
South Wales Railway (Alteration of Works).
The Earl of Lincoln's Divorce, and the Prussian
Minister's Residence Bills were read 'a second time.
PETITIONS.
Mr. FREWEN presented several petitions from dif-
ferent parts of Sussex and Kent, praying for a repeal of
the malt-tax.
Sir H. WILLIAMSON presented a petition from
the women of Cornwall, praying for the extension of the
penny postage to foreign countries.
Sir G. GREY presented tea petitions from different
parts, of the metropolis in favour of the Marriage Bill.
Lord ASHLEY presented a petition in favour of the
Interments Bill. .
Sir G. GREY, in the absence of Lord J. Rutsell,
moved the appointment of a Select Committee to con-
sider the present accommodation afforded by the Na-
tional Gallery; and the best mode of preserving and
exhibiting- to the public, works of art given to the
nation, or purchased by Parliameatwry, grants:—Lord
John Russell, Sir Robert Peel, Mr. Hume, Lord
Seymour, - Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Baring Wall, Mr.:
Sidney Herbert, Sir Benjamin Hall, Marquis of
Granby, Mr. 'rufoell, Mr. Wakley, Mr. Disraeli,
Mr. Vernon Smith, Mr. Nukes, and Colonel Rawden.
The House then went into Committee on the inter-
.
ments Bill.
On clause 30,'
Sir G. GREY said,' that with the permission of the
Committee, he wished to propose an amendment in that
part of the clause which had already been considered by
the• Committee. The Committee had determined that
compensation for the removal of interments from the
metropolitan church-yardi should be granted to ex-
isting and to., .future incumbents at the rate
of 6s. 2d. for each interment, which be believed
was a very fair average. Now from information lif) had
received since the Committee last sat,• he had been in
duced to consider that in some cues this compentition
would very much exceed the just limit, while in &hers
it would fall very much below. . The amendment he
proposed would, he thought, obviate any injustice
either on the one side or the other. He still proposed
to retain the 4 'Gs. 21 as the rate of com-
pensation for each burial, but instead of being
paid in the first instance to the clergyman from whose
parish the interment was taken, it should be carried to a
separate fund, and the incumbent should, receive a corn-

pensationacoording to an average of five years before
'the passing of the Act. But he thought it would be
sufficient to provide a just and equitable compensation;
and, at the same time, it would not be a growing
sum, but always continue the same. This was
with reference to existing incumbents, and with regard
to future incumbents, he thought it would be fair to as-
certain on esch occasion what the circumstances of the
parish were before framing the amount of compensation
to be claimed by each aucceediag incumbent. as be.
lieved that if this were carried into effect, it was possible
that there would be in time a surplus fund which might
be applied to various purposes.
Sir B. HALL was very glad that the present amend-
ment had been introduced by the Right Hon. Baronet,
because he thought it would do away with a, great
many objections. He had great objections to a growing
sum of compensation, and he would mention the effect it
would have had on two parishes with, wbieh he was
connected. In Marylebone, by the average increase of
population, the fees would, in process of time, have
amounted to more than 1,0001. a year; and in St. Pan-
cras, the increase in 4Q years would be at least 40 per
cent., and the income more• than 4,000/. a year* The
ainendnient of The Right Hon. Gentleman was to institute
a separate fund for the general compensation of incumbents.
What he would venture to suggest was, that a separate
fund should be kept for every parish. He -had shown
theincrease of income in, those two parishes, and the
burials would increase in the same ratio ; therefore he
wanted to have all those, funds kept separate in each
parish.. In order to make his suggeation intelligible, he
would propose a proviso to the effect that the amount to
be paid to an incumbent should not in any One year
exceed the net annual amount taken by that incumbent
on an average of five years.
Sir G. GREY made-: a few remarks on the Hen.
Baronet's (the Member for Maryleboce) proposition
which were inaudible in the gallery.
Sir. B. HALL was understood to say his proposition
was that they should not at all disturb the income
of an incumbent so long as he lived.
Colonel THOMPSON said there was a principle de-
cidedly at work in this country which demanded
that clergymen should keep pace exactly with
the increase of population. If the population was qua-
drupled it appeared to him that the number of clergy-
men ought to increase in the sama proportion. 11,
thought that an unfair idea had gone forth that
the clergymen in this ease were opposed to the
contemplated reforms.—(llear, hear.) His personal
experience had been exactly the contrary. He recently
attended a public meeting in a metropolitan borough on
this subject, ~the chairman of which awetip ..W n_
clergyman 01 the Established Chita,: whoiskipn that

oceaFion that the clergy were sure that their incomes
would be affected by this measure, but they utterly re-
pudiated the idea that they were opposed to the conceal.
plated reform.--(Hear, hear.)
Sir"
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Vernment,a -A) -roved of the Go-
satisfaction.
anu ne thought it would give utdverb.al

Mr. MACKINNON urged del iy upon the 11-)use in
order that the subject might reeve a fees, e.usi4e-
ration.

Mr. LUSHINGTON said he objected to the principle
of perpetuity with respect to the compeosatioo which
was still involved in the que.tiun.
Sir DE LACY EVANS wished to ask what was the
probable number of chaplains that would be required to
carry out the object of the clause? His object in asking
that question was that they should have a liberal
allowance.

Sir GEORGE GREY waa understood to say it was
impossible to fix the amount of their remuneration at
alai moment.

Mr. Alderman SIDNEY quite concurred in the pro-
prit ty of compensating the present incumbents for the
loss of their fees which they would sustain; but begged
is ask whether it was intended in that compensation to
include such fees as those for scarfs and hatbands, and
for tablets put against the walls of the various chapels?,
Sir GEORGE GREY said fees for scarfs and hat-
bands had never entered into his consideration. The
fee for the erection of tabl.•ts in churches was included
in the charge. The maximum fee for all parish burials
would not exceed Is.

Lord DUDLEY STUART observed that the Right
Hon. Gentlemen se: med to smile at the fees for scarfs
and hatbands, but it appeared from the evidence of the
Bishop of London before the Committee of 1842 that
they amounted to a considerable sum. He wished to
know how the average mentioned in the clause was to
be taken, and in what way the surplus was to be dis-
posed of?
Sir GEORGE GREY said the average would be cal-
culated ota the number of funerals and the amount of
fees received exclusive of presents to clergymen. The
surplus would be employed for church purposes to pro-
vide for the increasing population.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said these complimentary fees
existed to a great extent, and he should like
to know how they were to be divided between
the vicar and the curate. It could never be said that
the clergy had not opposed this Bill, because the tact
was otherwise. The Bishop of London stated, before
Mr. Mackinnon's Committee, that he and his family
never enjoyed better health than when they resided near
the churchyard of St. Botolph. Clergymen were like
lawyers, because they never originated any reform in
their own body.—(A laugh.) He bad the authority of
the bishop for saying that there was always a good un-
derstanding between the clergymen and the undertaker
in respect to the complimentary fees. He wished to know
whether the vicar was to get 10s. while the poor unfortu-
nate curate, who did all the work, was only allowed 2s. 6d.
Was be correct in supposing that come such sliding scale
as that was to be adopted? He was also desirous of
learning who was to have the management of the sur-
plus fund.
Sir GEORGE GREY was understood to reply that
he had introduced no scale at all. Hatbands did not
come under the denomination of fees.

Lord ASHLEY having had personal communication
with the clergy on the subject of the Bill, was bound
to say that as a body they had shown the greatest
desire to assist in the advancement of this mea-
sure, even at the expense of their own
fees.---(flear, hear.) The clergy, in fact, were entitled
to a fee of Bs. for each funeral, but in order that they
should not stand in the way of the Bill, they had con-
sented to take the 6s. 2d., as proposed by Government,
and he was therefore bound to acknowledge with ad-
miration and gratitude the assistance which they had
rendered this great measure.—(Hear, bear.)
After a few words from Mr. NEWDEGATE,
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR said he wished to
make one observation on a subject which had been re-
ferred to by his Hon. Colleague. He meant the salu
brity of graveyards. A few weeks ago three grave
gentlemen who bad invested capital in funeral para-
phernalia waited upon him to point out the injustice
which the measure would inflict upon them.—(A laugh.)
They insisted that there was no necessity whatever for
it, and scouted the very idea of a churchyard being at
all unhealthy. In proof of this they wished him to go
to a neighbouring church and see the sexton, whose
children lived in the yard, and were remarkable for their
roseate and healthy appearance.--(A laugh.) He, however,
declined the invitation, much to the disappointment
of the deputation, who seemed to think that the best
place a worn-out Member could repair to at the close of
a fatiguing session was not to a salubrious park in the
country, but to some lodging house in the immediate
neighbourhood of a metropolitan churchyard.—(Hear,
and laughter.)
The clause, as amended, was then read from the Chair.
Lord DUDLEY STUART said it was the custom of

the House to print amendments before they were agreed
to. He knew that it was not absolutely necessary, but
in a difficult clause like this the custom ought to be
enforced to enable Hon. Members to understand it.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR said it would

only waste time to print the clause, and he therefore
hoped his Noble Friend would not press his proposal.
After .a few words from Sir G. GREY and Mr. STYLI),
which were not audible in the gallery,
Mr. Aldermand COPELAND rose, and was
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

LLOYD'S SHIPPING.—(THIS DAY.)
LONDON, JUNE 11.—Wind this day at noon, W,
fresh breeze find fine.
Eamotynx, JUNE 9.—Arrd. Parton, Rio Grande.
DUBLIN, JUNE B.—Arrd. Eliza Bell, Bsrbadoes.
PASSAGE, JUNE B.—And. Alfred. Soliar, Callao.
RUbIBLES, JUNE B.—And. Clarina, St. John's, New
Brunswick.

COLERAINE, JUNE B.—The Elisabeth, of and from
Liverpool, and the Farmer, of Belfast, from the Clyde,
in crossing the Bar yesterday grounded, and still remain;
the former has injured her boat, the latter lost her boat,
makes water, and a much damaged.
DEAL, JUNE 10.— Wind E. to E.S.E.—Arrd. Concord,
Potter, Barbadoes• .Cybele, Grtig, Rio Hache.
Garland. Grove, New York; Charles, Deoaerara. Sid.
Duke Cornwall, Hobart Town; Bessy Robertson,
Buenos Ayres; Camillus, Demerara.
SHOREHAM, JUNE 10.1Vind E.—Sld. Samaritan,
qui bee.
DARTMOUTH, JUNE 10.—Wind N.E.—Sid. Keillung,
St. Thomas.

OPP FALMOUTH, JURE II .--Wiad Hardwi eke
Brown, Bombay.
BRISTOL, JUNE 10.—Wind W.—Arrd. Greenwich,
Boston.
LIVERPOOL, JUNE 9 AND 10.—Wind W.S.
Reas Maracaibo; John Fielden„ Apalachicola; Europe,
McDowell, Philadelphia; I3elle, Wilmington; Josephine,
Crocker, New York; Hemisphere, Boston; Napoleon,
'Porto Rico; Hungarian, New York; Hibernia steamer,
Boston. Sid, St.,George, New York; Jolly Robin, Cal-
cutta; Eliza,• Africa ; Ronachan, Lima ; Rosanna, St.
Martha; Gaulle, Tampico; Grace Sullivan, United
States. Off port, Orleans.
OFF PLYXOUTII, JUNE 10.—Mary Catharine, Warner,
Sydney; Marlborough, Methuan, Calcutta. •
GALWAY, Ruiz B.—The Lituania, from Memel, in
coming up the Bay, got on the Black Rocks, but has
come off and into the Roads with loss of rudder, 84c.;
and water-logged.

MARKET NEIV'S.,-(THIS DAY.)

RAT DICALItilLiTtli.

SMITHFIELD.—Meadow Hay, • 2/ 8s to 31 105. Qlover
,litto, 3/ Os to 4/ 8s ; and Straw, 11 la to li'B3 pet
load. A moderate supply, and a heavy demand.
CIIMBERLAND.—Meadow Hay,-2110s to Si 10r; (3lover
ditto, 3/ Os to 4/ 4s; and Straw, 11 25 to 11 8s per
load. Supply good, and trade dull.
WHITECIIAPVL. MeadoW Hay, 21 Ss to 31 8s ;
Clover ditto, 3/-05 to 4/ 8s; and Straw, I/ is to 11 Sa per
load. Trade dull, at barely late rates.