The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-27 00:00:00

FUTURE ADDRESSES TO THE

CROWN.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

SlR,—Pray remind the Premier, through your uni-
versally-perused columns, of his hitherto unfulfilled pro-
mise of asking the House of Commons to assimilate its
practice with respect to addresses to the Crown to the
usual practice with respect to addresses in reply to the
Speech from the Throne, and which assimilation would
render the sort of atrocious surprise practised upon Par-
lament and the people on the Sunday post question a
matter of impossibility for the future.
I am, Sir, yours respectfully,
July 25, 1850. INDIGNANS.
P.S.—The Premier should be made to pay, for his
Sunday post enormity, the losses he has occasioned to
individuals thereby.

DINNER TO JOHN WILLIAMS,

ESQ., M.P.

The friends and admirers of this gentleman in the
parishes of St. Marylebone and St. Pancras entertained
him at a dinner, at the Artichoke Tavern, Blackwall,
on Wednesday last; James Nisbet, Esq., ex•church-
warden of St. Marylebone, presided; the vice-chair was
filled by Frederick H. Bridgeman, Esq., the present
churchwarden. The dinner and wines were of the usual
excellence of that famous locality.
The usual loyal toasts having been given,
The CHAIRMAN said it waa with no ordinary feeling
of gratification he had the honour and pleasure to pro-
pose the " Health of the Hon. Member for Macclesfield,
Mr. John Williams."—(Applause.) His worth, useful-
ness, diligence, and integrity ai a public man, were
truly and justly appreciated by the numerous company
present. Having raised himself by persevering in-
dustry and sterling honesty to the position he now
occupied, must; while it redounded to his honour,
be a source of real pleasure to all who knew
him. The constituency of Macclesfield had done them-
selves much credit, and Mr. Williams great honour,
in returning him to the House of Commons, where by
his unwearied attention and untiring diligence, joined to
his manly and independent conduct, he had sustained the
high opinion his constituents had conceived of him.—
(Applause.) He (the Chairman) would no longer de-
tain the company, but at once propose his respected
and esteemed friend, Mr John Williams.
The toast was drank with enthusiasm.

Mr. Writ-TA-as rose and said—Words would be quite
inadequate to express the warmth of his grateful feel-
ings for the splendid entertainment to which he had been
invited, and the flattering manner in which his name bad
been received, and these feelings were greatly enhanced
by the recollection that the numerous friends present had
known him long before he had anticipated becoming a
public man, much less a member of the Commons
House of Parliament. He sought no honour save
that of being useful to the industrial classes, to
which it was his pride to belong, and he hoped the day
was not far distant when that class would be fully and
fairly represented in the House of Commons,, when that
House would really and truly represent the feelings and
wants of the middle classes.—(Applause.) He trusted
as a tradesman he had never done any-
thing to cast dishonour on his name, and as a Mem-
ber of Parliament he had always used his best
endeavours, by a constant and de►oted attention
to his duties, to support the true interests of the
country, by advocating the principle of - unrestricted
commerce; free-trade in its most unlimited inter-
pretation, and the abolition of those taxes
which bear heavily and directly upon the industry
of the country—(Applause)—and the repeal of
which was so urgently demanded by the neces-
sities of the people. The vestry of St.
Marylebone was the medium by which he was intro-
duced into public life, and cultivated the desire to be
useful, as far as his humble abilities permitted, to his
fellow-man. Having witnessed in that board the salutary
effects of local self-government, he had become an
ardent admirer of the principle, and hoped he
should be ever found in the foremost ranks of its
supporters, and a most determined opponent to
the' centralising principle which was the
fashion among the rulers of the present day, contrary to
the habits of the people of this country, dangerous to
their liberties, tending to throw an amount of power into
the hands of the Government of the day, which even-
tually might be applied to the basest purposes. He
looked upon the present moment as one of the
proudest and happiest of his life, and hoped he
should never forfeit the high esteem of the numer-
ous friends by whom he was surrounded men
whose friendship was a source of the greatest pleasure
to him, and in whose kindly feelings it was his high am-
bition to maintain a place. The Hon. Gentleman resumed
his seat amid loud cheers.

Several appropriate toasti were given, in which the
speakers bore testimony to the high estimation in which
their guest was held for the great usefulness of his
public services.
After a most agreeable meeting, the company sepa-
rated at a late hour.

BANK OF ENGLAND.
(From last night's Gazette.)
gin Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for
the Week ending on Saturday, the 20th day of July, 1850.
£B3Ol DIPAIITJUNT. ft

Notes issued•• ...... 30,257,440

Government debt 11,015,100
Other securities .... 2,984,900
Gold coin and bullion 16,038,182
Silver bullion ...... 219,258

430,257,440

X 30,257,440
[. MARSHALL, Chief Caahler.

Dated the 25th day of July, 1851

DANICDNG D]
Z.
Proprietors'eapital.. 14,553,000
Reat . . • ...... 3,180,101
Public deposits (in-
cluding Exchequer.
Commissioners of
National Debt, Say-

0 EPAIITKEN T.

Government securi-
ties(including Dead
Weight Annuity).. 14,285,583
Other securities •• .. 10,184,360
Notes •• •• ••.•• ...... 9,689,180
Gold and silver coin•. 653,292

lngs-banks, and Di-
vidend accounts) .. 4,545,194
Other deposits ...... 11,122,418
Seven day and other
bills.. •• ••••••.... 1,311,702

£31.812,415

#34,812,415
M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier.

Dated the 25th day of July, 185,

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.

(From the London New Price Current, July 26.)

SUGAR.-To-day the West India Sugar market pre-
sented a dull aspect, and there were sellers at rather
lower rates, but all parties operated with much caution;
of 388 hhds 6 tons 41 brls St. Lucia at public sale a few
lots only sold, good yellow at 36s 6d, mid and good
grey 35s to 365, ord 34s to 34, 6d, and fine brown at
33s 6d. Only 336 hhds, &c., were sold to-day, making
1,498 for the week, and prices close fully 6d per cwt
lower than on Friday last.
REFINED.-There is yet a small supply of Refined
Sugar, and a further advance has taken place in the value.
Prices for brown grocery lumps rule at 49s 6d to 50s,
standard lumps 50e 6d, tittlers low to fine 505 to
53s 6d, double 548 tO 54s 6d, Hambro' loaves 50s to 545,
and double at 55s to 593 der cwt, but tow and middling
sorts continue to be most wanted. In wet lumps a good
deal has been done at 46s 6d to 47s 6d, superior 48s to
48s 6d, and there are not free sellers. For Bastards a good
sale exists at 27a to 32s for brown, and at 33s to 36s for
yellow. Of Pieces large parcels have been sold, but not
at an advance. The value of good to fine is 40s to 455,
and low to middling 37s to 395. Treacle continues
to be operated in with caution, and there are ready
sellers at low rates ; boiled from West India Mo-
lasses is to be obtained at 13s Gd to 14s 6d,
patent 14s 6d to 15s 6d, and golden syrup at las
to 18s. For British Crushed Sugar the rates demanded
are 27s 6d to 28s 6d. The value of wet lumps is 26s to
26s 6d, but little has been done. Treacle is not much
wanted for exportation, and prices remain at lls 6d to
12s 6J, but the supply is larger. Prices do not improve
for Foreign Crushed Sugar, still larger transactions
have taken place; Dutch at 23s to 25s 6d, superior 26s to
275, and Belgian at from 24s to 25s 6d. For Loaves
there is a firm market, and a good business has been con-
cluded; the rates paid for Turkey 4 to 5} lbs are 40s to
4.55, Hamburgh 6 to 7 lbs 34s to 355, 10 to 10i lbs 335,
14 to 15 lbs 32s 6d; tittlers 22 to 30 lbs 29s 6d, Prussian
40 to 45 lbs 30s, Dutch 6 to 10 lbs 29s 6d to 31s, and
Belgian 10 lbs 27s 6d to 28s per cwt.
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36s 6d to 37a 6d, low and mid 34s to 35s 6d, good and
tioLbsr.rowumn32l,a.t.T33hsi.sanafdtainferior 301 6d per cwt.
ry= at public sale 2,323
bags Bengal Sugar offered; soldood at full rates, but
g low like other sorts went rather cheapei,wghite,
nitres 38, to 40s
Mauri-
tius sold at 36s to 375, mid and white
washed 37s to 40s; one
6d, low 37s to 37s 6d, damp
lot superior sound white 42s per cwt.
FOREIGN.-To-day there was little passing by private
treaty in Foreign Sugar, and in some cases rather lower
prices were taken; at auction 130 bags brown Bahia sold
at 32s to 345. The private sales for the week are only a
cargo of 600 chests yellow Havannah at 395, to be deli-
vered here; one for Bahia for export at 18s for brown,
and a small proportion of white at 21e; and 200 chests
yellow Havannah at 21s on the spot.
11JOLAS8ES.-The market for West India is still quiet,
abaul tesa,s pricesand
requireru l efor low holdersAn tAntigua
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16s, St. Kitts and Tobago 13s to 13s 6d, and St. Vincent's
14s to 14s 6d per cwt. For East India rates rale at 115
to 12s, and even thereat not much desire has been
evinced to operate. Although importers keep upon a
small scale, still there is a much larger stock than last
year. Of Jamaica Honey 40 casks at auction sold at
39s to 43s for good quality. To-day 200 puns St. Vin-
cent's Molasses were sold at the low rate of 13s per cwt.
COFFEE.-This afternoon there was little desire
evinced to do business in Native Ceylon, and there were
sellers of goodjord at 43a. Plantation was only in
limited request, still prices are supported; at auction 20
casks 121 bags sold, low mid and mid at 51s 6d to 533 6d,
fine to fine fine ord 478 6d to 501 64. and pea berry 59s
to 59s 6d. Of Java 547 bags taken in at 42s to 43s for
Singapore. •
Cocoa.-There has again been no arrival of foreign,
and holders are not disposed to take lower rates, but

operations have been limited by private treaty at 27s 6d
to 28s 6d. British Plantation continues in good requelt,
rather higher terms are paid a 3 supply does not get
larger. At auction 453 bags of Grenada were sold at
39; to 463 fir ord t 3 fine red, and 16 bgs ord g-ey
Trinidad at 40s per cwt.
TEA.—To-day the public sales of Tea went off at stiff
rates, and of 5,573 pkgs offered 1,400 sold Congou, good
ord Hid, medium at is to Is id, good Is 2d to
Is 2id, Scented Orange Pekoe good is 7d, Hyson ord
is 21d, Young Hyson ord is 6d to Is 7d, Gunpowder
ditto 2s 50 to 2s 7d per lb.
. . . .

RlCE.—East India met with little attention. At auc-
tion on Tuesday 1,000 bags of Arra,can were taken in
at 8s 6d; 348 bags very low broken dusty Para at 7s,
but 1,752 bags and 438 pockets Bengal were sold at
lOs to 103 6d for good, at 93 6d to 10s for
mid, and at 6s to 93 for damaged ; 150 bags
good pinky white Madras realized 8s 6d to 9s.
Yesterday, however, a large demand prevailed, and
there was an advance of 3,1 to 6d per cwt, and the pri-
vate operations were 10,000 bags, tho chief part on
speculation. Prices for white Bengal closed at 9s 6d
to 12s, cargo and pearl Barley 83 6d to 8s 9d, and
pinky white Madras 8s 9d to 9s 3d. There has
been no arrival of East India this week. Patna is still
in good request at 9s 6d to 16s for low to fine, but town
dressed C trolina is still operated in with caution at 223
to 2Ss. Of American 42 casks at auction realized 19s to
191 6d per cwt. To-day the market was less active,
still a fair business was concluded privately at full rates.
At auction 418 bags Brazil sold at 12s to 123 6d.
SAGO.—To-day at auction 300 bags Sago taken in at
12s 6d for Borneo, but 373 cases small pearl sold at
21s to 21s 6d; 400 bags Sago Flour partly found buyers
at 16s 6d; 100 brls Tapioca 43-d to 51d; 240 pkgs Ar-
rowroot, Bermuda Is Bd, Brazil 4d, East India 21d.

FRIIIT.—Since our last the business done in Currants
has bk en very limited, but prices continue-firm. The
clearances fir home consumption are increasing, and
altogether amount since the Ist of this month to 750
tons. The stock of Valencia Raisins is very small, not
exceeding 140 tons, and at the present rate of consump-
tion cannot last till the arrival of the new crop. In
other descriptions of fruit there is not much doing.

SPICES.—There has been a much better dem-and for
black Pepper this week, and previous rates are well sup-
ported. At auction 4,861 bags Sumatra were all sold,
good clean black realized 33 to aid, grey ditto
to 3d per lb. By private treaty a fair business
has been concluded, and Malabar realized 3d to 30.
White realizzd full terms, and met with more attention.
At auction 146 bags realized 6d to 6id for mid, and
40 to 5P fur damaged. For brown Nutmegs of in-
terior and mid quality a reduction of 2d per lb has taken
place, but full terms have been obtained for better sorts,
which met with a good demand. At auction 66
pkgs were sold, fine at 3s 3d to 3s sd, good 2s
10d to 3s 2d, mid 2s 6d to 2s 9d, low 2s 3d
to 2s sd, out of condition ls lid to 2s 2d, and a few
lots of good limed 2s 103; 312 bags wild in the shell
went at 2d to 3d, and one lot good 58. Mace is wanted,
and must be quoted Id to 2d higher; 30 packages
at auction all sold, common at 2a to 2s Id, mid-
dling 2s 2d to 2s 3d, and out of condition is 7d
to 2s. Of Cassia Lignea there is still a scanty
supply, and a fair inquiry has prevailed, whilst the
rates offered are from 86s to 90s per cwt. A reduction
of id per lb has taken place for Boarbon Cloves, the
supply having much increased, still at public sale 333
cases were chiefly sold at 6fd to 64d for mid and fine,
and at 6,1 to qd for damaged. The value of Penang-
is still Is to 15 6d, but little has been
done. Pimento is not much wanted, and rather
lower rates are acceded to, although supply is not
larger. At auction 66 bags sold at 588 to 6d for good,
and at 54d for damaged. Jamaica Ginger has been
freely offered for sale, and a reduction of 5s to 10s
per cwt. took place at the public sales of 320
packages, but all sold, good to fine at 41 101 to
61 13s, inferior and middling 21 lOs to 4155, and one lot
low 2195. Of Malabar 82 cases went at 27s to 28. 63
for small, and 25 cases Cochin at 75s to 955 for good
and fine bold brown. The value of shipping East India
is 17. to 18s. Cassia buds are in more active demand,
and realised an advance ; at auction 33 boxes realised
99s 6d per cwt far good. In Cinnamon very little has
been done, as the public sales of 2,300 packages will
commence on Monday.
SALTPETILE.—To-day the sales made are small in
rough, and at a public sale of 600 bags prices declined 6d
per cwt, fiti to 9i per cent selling at 244 6d to 253 for
Calcutta of ord and mid quality.
COCHINEAL —This afternoon at public sale 22 bags
Mexican Cochineal were taken in at 3. 7d to 3s 9d; 19
bags Teneriffe sold at 4s to 4s Id for good black, and 4
bags Honduras silvers at 3s 6d to 35 10d for very ord to
good.
INDIGO.—The market for East India is still firm, and
a fair business has been concluded at fully former rates.
Since the quarterly sales about 1,000 chests have been
sold chiefly for exportation. Former terms were well
supported for Spanish, and supplies have beemmoderate,
whilst a steady demand exists.
SPIRITS.—In Leeward Island Rum sales have been
upon a limited scale this week, and rather lower rates
are acceded to, whilst only 150 puns have been sold at
Is 3i3 to is 4d proof. East India met with a dull sale,
and must be quoted rather cheaper; only small parcels
have been sold at is 2id to is 3d proof.
Demerara is not much wanted, and last week a
terms are not supported; the purchases do not exceed
200 puns at is lid to 2s 2d for 30 to 40 over proof.
There are free sellers in Jamaica at former terms, and
shippers or home dealers do not appear much disposed to
operate. The sales are confined to 250 puns at
2. 68 to 2s 98 for middling 34 to 38 over, good and
fine 3s to 3s Bd, with small parcels of superior at 3s
9d to 4F. Brandy has been sold to a fair extent
and the market is firm; Cognac best brands of the vin-
tage of 1849 at 4. 5d to 4. 7d, 1848 ditto 4s 68 to 4s Bd,
1847 5s Id to 5s 3d. Geneva is dull of sale with sellers
of ord at is 6d to is 7d; fine is still quoted at 2. to 3.,
In the value of British made Spirit there is no variation.
OILS.—To-day at public sale 70 tuns Manilla Cocoa
Nut 0:1 sold at the low rates of 24s to 27. 3d, 20 csks
Palm 26s to 28..
TALLOW.—This afternoon at Public sale 300 c3lts
' Sydney sold at 323 91 to 35s 93; 640 pkgs South
American 335 to 365.

THE POST-OFFICE STOPPAGE

AND EPIDEMICS.
(From the Historic Times.)
London is threatened with another outbreak of cholera,
and although it is not likely to assume a severe epidemic
character, the hot and close months yet to come are likely
to develop the whole tribe of zymotic diseases. We pro-
mised, and wish, to abstain from reverting to the vexed
question of the cessation of Post-office labour on a
Sunday, but the Registrar-General's report, recounting
a few deaths from the fell disease which spread devasta-
tion amongst us last year, obliges us to show the evil
which may arise from the non-delivery of letters on a
Sunday during the possible prevalence of a fearful ma-
lady. The sudden nature of death from cholera requires
no comment; and during its ravages, facility of inter-
course is demanded by the dictates of common humanity.
If the cholera should visit us, then, is there still to be
no delivery on Sunday? Are the dying to die without
the possibility of informing their kindred or friends,
should the terrible attack overtake them on a Saturday?
In reply to this, it may be urged that we are not better
off in London, for there is no letter delivery here; but
we reply, we are in a far better position than provincial
towns, for a thousand channels of communications pour
into London, while the Post alone conveys intelligence
out of it, with the exception of the larger country towns.
The stagnation of intelligence during such a" period
would be frightful, and enough to alarm even those who
from, doubtless, the best principles, advocate the total
suspension of Sunday delivery. We believe that directly
after the prorogation of Parliament the old system will
be revived, with certaiti modifications in deference to the
many conscientious, but, as we think, miitaken men, who
have formed the list of 400,000 petitioners. If, how-
ever, all Sunday delivery is to remain abolished, we
would throw out an undigested suggestion as to a means
to avert the evil in the event of cholera again visiting
us. We propose, in each a ease, that Government
should issue postage• stamps of a particular design or
colour, at a shilling or more per stamp; and when one of
these is placed on a " letter, the Post-office authorities
should be answerable for its delivery. Against this it
will be immediately urged, that attorneys, and brokers,
and creditors, and people of all sorts of denominations,
will take advantage 'of this issue of stamps to send their
business-letters; and no doubt it would be so; but surely
it is better for some hundreds of people to promote their
pecuniary interests even on a Sunday, than that one
dying person Should be deprived of the last solace ever
to be bad in this world.
We can conceive nothing more frightful than to re-
ceive a letter on a Monday, which has been lying a dead
lump of useless intelligence all Sunday, conveying the
last wishes of an expiring persons to see a near and dear
relation—and on the Monday delivered too late.
The next objection to be urged against the plan is,
that the extreme poor would be deprived of the privi-
lege; but in cases of death and sudden illness, surely
there would be some kind Samaritan to whom the
afflicted might fly at such a period; and what species of
charity could emanate from the clergyman with such
grace as that which would enable the dying to commu-
nicate with the absent loved ones? Even some of our
strict correspondents might pull the black stamp from
their pocket-books, and give it without trembling for
their eternal happiness, even though one more letter had
to be delivered on a Sunday owing to the gift.
Whatever objections, however, might be raised against
the plan, and we premised that it was a crude one, it
letterth e ianwrenu,sl.dnd.
de-
sire.woulde. correspondenceTnte
would have the effect of placing a severe tax upon Sun-
day delivery; and this, perhaps, is as much as many de-
neaatc;
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greatly diminish the labour of
perhaps be accepted by the Sabbath
as a graceful compromise, if not a necessary
the
party
measure.

NKFORT-ON-TII
—The secretaries of the Peace RC
I . PEACE - - -----
and Eliliu Burritt, are vigorousolnygress,
CONCRES3 AT F A
the Rev. H. Richard
The preparing the way for a
have visited Heidelburg.
E-MAINE.
large continental delegation.
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Cassel, Halle, Leipzig,
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to the universities, professors, and other eminence.
From Leipzig a powerful and influential delegation
ected Liebig, the celebrated chemist, fully interlsisto be
P •
present at the Congress ; the well-known theologian, Dr.
Tholuck, is also expected; Professor Ulrici, the popular com-
mentator on Shakspere, has engaged to attend ; and Dr.
Langeur, President of the Court of Appeals at Dresden, and
who was tutor to his Royal Highness Prince Albert, has cor-
dially engaged his influence in favour of the object.
EARLY HARVEST.—A field of black barley MU cut,
carried, and stacked by Mr. Mills, at Langford Lodge, during
the past week.—Both Chronicle.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 2G.

MILITIA PAY BILL.
Thia Bill was read a third time and passed.
IRISII PAUPERS.

LONDON. SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 27, 1850.

The LORD CILINCELLOR took his seat, ou the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.

Lord REDESDL.LE drew their Lordships' atten-
tion to the statement made at one of the
pulice-courts of the metropolis, that a Dr. Do-
novan, one of the poor-law authorities of Ireland,
had sent over several paupers to this country
without making any provision for them, thus leaving
them to be maintained by English parishes, or to
starve.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was understood to
state that the matter should be inquired into.
THE LIVERPOOL FORGED PETITION.

Lord BEAUM.ONT moved that Hume, M'Arthur and
Byrne should be called to the bar, admonished, and
discharged.
Lord BROUGHAM supported the motion; these per-
sons had given all the information in their power, they
had used no prevarication in their evidence, and they
were the dupes of others.
The M irquis of L ANSDOWNE should not oppose the
motion, but he must denounce the _offence of which these
persons had been guilty as most heinous ; and he found
that in many pars of the kingdom there prevailed a
practice similar to that of which these persons had been
guilty—a practice which did irreparable injury to the
sacred right of petition.
The Earl of HARR° WBY had received a letter from
the secretary to the society which had employed these
men, exculpating himself and his society from blame.
Lord BEAUMONT said the inquiry into these frauds
was still going on, and he hoped the really guilty parties
would be discovered and punished.
The prisoners Byrne, Wilde, and M'Arthur were
then called to the bar, reprimanded by the Lord CHAN-
CELLOR, and discharged.
PETITIONS.

Lord BROUGHAM presented several petitions
in favour of the County Courts Bill. Ile would
take this opportunity of correcting a gross delusion
which oertain persons, who he suspected knew better,
had propagated, charging him with inconsistency as a
law reformer in relation tv this Bill. It was because he
was not inconsistent that he had given the option of
bringing actions either in county or superior courts,
for he had given the same option in the Bill he had in-
troduced in 1836.

The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from
sundry labourers in Scotland, praying the House to in-
troduce some measure to prevent parochial boards from
taxing their wages to the relief of the poor.
The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from
Ayr in favour of a Post-office delivery on Sunday.
The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented se-
veral petitions against the Marriages Bill.
HYDE-PARK AND THE EXPOSITION.

Lord BROUUHAM said he rose to discharge one of
the most important duties that had ever devolved on him
since he had had the honour of a seat in that House—a
duty he felt the greater difficulty in discharging in con-
sequence of considerable indisposition which he was
labouring under since he took his seat in the House at
ten o'clock that morning. It was within the knowledge
of their Lordships that he had, from en early period
this session, stood forward as the antagonist of those
who (from praiseworthy
motives undoubtedly) had un-
dertaken the structure in Hyde-park for the proposed
exhibition of 1851. That circumstance, however, sank
into entire insignificance compared to the question that
unhappily, but incidentally, had grown out of it. He
was now to call their Lordships' attention to the in-
auspicious course which had been taken in the matter
of the Hyde-park exhibition—a course that had been
taken under the responsibility of the first law officer
of the Crown. It was now his painful duty to describe
in detail the history of this transaction, as it
involved one of the most important questions to which
he had ever occasion to solicit the attention of their
Lordships. It would be of course for their Lordships to
judge, when they heird the statement of facts he was
about to submit, and the comments he had to offer as to
their bearing upon the law and the constitution—it
would be, ha said, for their Lordships to judge whether
he had given any exaggerated description of the import-
ance of this question. He held in his hand the peti-
tion of some of the most respectable of our fellow-citi •
zens residing in the neighbourhood of Hyde-park. It
was his intention to deal exclusively with the
question of public right. These petitioners repre-
sented the facts of the case as he was now about to
state them. They have prepared an information to be
placed on the file of the Court of Chancery, for the
purpose of staying by injunction any further structure
being erected, or any further alterations being
effected in Hyde-park for this exhibition, inas-
much as they were advised that Hyde-park
was the property of the public—that it was with-
drawn by strict right from the power of the servants of
the Crown, or of any department of the service of the
Crown, without the authority of the Legislature inter-
posing by special Act of Parliament. They stated their
case to three of the most able and learned counsel that
at present adorned the bar of that country. These three
counsel had maturely considered the case, and had given
their opinions upun it. Sir F. Kelly, a man of the
highest talent and legal knowledge; Mr. Rolt, also of
many years' standing in the Court of Chancery; and
Mr. Cairns, were consulted, and their opinion was, upon
a deliberate view of the law and the statutes—and they
gave that opinion' without hesitation—that the structures
about to be raised in Hyde-park were illegal; and they
recommended an immediate injunction to stay the pro-
ceeding. As it was not an infraction of the rights of
the individual, it could only be by a bill or in-
formation in the name of the Attorney-General. All
such informations in which the Attorney-General was
the party who proceeded, the substantial party,
the reel party, was the relator. The Attorney-
General was only the formal, but qn absolutely ne-
cessary party, and the relator was the real substan-
tial party who proceeded. He alone gave the instruc-
tions to counsel, the Attorney-General had nothing
whatever to do with it; the relators alone had the con-
duct, carriage, and control of the cause. The Attorney-
General was only there as representative and on behalf
of the public, whose interests were affected. He did not
deny that the Attorney-General might become, from the
formal, the real and substantial party in the cause. The
matter could only have followed out of the assent of the
the Attorney-General. He was applied to and re-
fused his concurrence--the business behoved to stop
there. No means was suppliei by the constitution to
compel him. Sic yob was enough—that was the law,
that was the constitution. The order of the Sovereign
could not compel him; there was nothing but an Act of
Parliament to do that. It was thought advisable that
the relators should lay the opinions of
the
refusal,Gell buteal' and he, after taking time, again
stated the reasons for that ref usal.
reiterated
He had already said that these gentlemen had given their
opinions without any doubt or hesitation, and that there
was a clear case fora court of law. He was told by those
three competent lawyers, not only as the facts of the case
were disclosed to them, but on the law as it was explained to
them, that the encroachments contemplated were con-
trary to the law; the Attorney-General said—and if
any man could suppose that he (Lord Brougham) lightly
considered his vested authority, or that he had the
slightest prejudice against him, he showed the greatest
always
snce of
entertained all
for his revered relative and himself—the Attorney-
General said he had in that matter a duty of a udicial
that
the was
highest respect and attachment
j passing in his mind, for he had
nature to perform. The information called in
question
A
the discretion of the authorities having the control over
and management of the parks. The Noble and L arned
Lord then went on to quote the opinion of the
General at length as it has already ttoerney-
appeared
vote of the House of Commons having already interfere,
of the question. Where any case of oppression in
The Sun, in which he declined to
s da
d wass
likely to be undertaken for some sinister motive—where
it
e
it was clear that the case
that there was no reasonable or probable cause, for
for
bringing
tiot
refuseinto ctoourat,flotwhe
the
eghrlator to go was un-
t
was
flin:"Yofailtdbe efflAptttornaenyd-
Gdoubted. So in like manner where a man Was convicted
and the verdict of the jury was followed by a
judgment, the aggrieved party could not suo out a writ
of error without the permission of the Attorney-Ge-
neral. He knew a case, that of O'Connell e
and others.
who were convicted and sentenced to imprisonment, and
the parties then brought a writ of error. The judgment
in that case was reversed, and the parties set free; and
if there was any right in the Goverpment or in the At-
torney-General to have withheld his fiat for the prose-
cution of the writ of error, that was a case in which
they would most certainly have interposed. It was clear
that if there was any right in the Attorney-General to
do so he would have done it in that case. - It was
equally clear that it was an act ex debilo justifier, and not
ex gratia, and that the fiat could not in that or in any
similar case be refused. The Noble and Learned Lord
then referred to the proceedings in the House of Com-
mons on the subject of the erection of the proposed
building in Hyde-park, showing that the division took
place, not upon the erection of the building, but upon
the question of the matter being referred to a Select
Committee; and yet he observed it was upon that the
Attorney-General took upon himself to refuse his
assent to that information. But suppose there was
a decision of the House of Commons on the
subject—was that a decision as to the legality of the
proposed erection? Did that justify the Attor-
ney-General in refusing his assent ? Certainly not.
But as the Attorney-General had referred to the pro-
ceedings in the Hous© of Commons, he begged to call
the attention of their Lordships to what was said on
thet occasion by Lord John Russell. He had said they
had nothing to do with the question of law—that was
not the question before them. The only question was
whether they should offer advice to the Crown restrict-
ing the erection of this public building in Hyde-perk,
supposing the Crown had the right to select Hyde-
park. Lord John Russell did not decide the question
of law, and he (Lord-Brougham) defied any stronger or
plainer words to be used to show that tee question of
law was not referred to in that House at all. Now, then
above all, the House of Commons was the lowest and the
last place to decide questions at issue between the Crown
and the public, between the Attorney-General and the
public, or between one Party and another. Why, even
their Lordships, although of far greater weight and hn-
portanee, unless when sitting in their judicial capacity,
could not, and dared not, touch questions of
law between the public and the Crown, or
between one party and another. The present
was a very grave question, and if the Attorney-
General was without better reasons than these,
because it displeased some persons under whom he
held office to impede, to obstruct, and to frustrate the
due administration of justice, he must say that such rea-
sons could not for a moment prevail with ther Lord hips
or with the country. -If the Attorney sGenerale was
merely to say that he would not allow this inform stion
to be tried, and thus frustrate the public from all the

courts if equity and justice, it might well be asked if
they lived in a free country and were governed by the
law. That line of conduct could not for a moment he de-
feuded. It appeared that the information was direct-d
agsinst Lord J. Russell and the other Cemmis,ionc
There was a clear alt of malversation on the part of the
Commissioners of Weeds and Forests, and yet the At-
torney-General would prevent the public approaching
the courts of law to obtain redress, by refusin4 his sanc-
tion to the legal, practicable, Equitable course of law.
Now the officers of the Crown cared nothing for im-
peachment, and it was only by discussions, and by
bripging their conduct before that and the other
House of Parliament, that they could he reached.
It might be said that the Attorney-General had
the right to refuse, and in some cases of error no
doubt he might interpose, but he called upon
whoever might be disposed to defend the course
taken by him on the present occasion, to show him
one single instance in which a great public question
between the people and the Crown—between the inha.
bitants of the capital and the Crown—had ever been
stopped and stifled and frustrated in its progress to a
I-gal julicial termination by the fiat of; the Attorney-
General. One word more as to the gross inconsistency
between the conduct of the law officer of the Crown end
that of Lord John Russell. The Noble Lord called on
the House to vote against the address, because it :had
nothing to do with the question of legality, as that could
only be decided by a court of lax. One of the first
things the relators found was the law officer playing into
the hands of the Treasury. The one said, "Go to the
courts of law, and in the meantime give me your votes;"
but when they came to the courts of law the next morn-
ing, 'they could only get to the keyhole, but could not
get in. But the Crown, it was said, was the representa-
tive of the interests of the public. The petition which
he had presented must,be regarded as the petition not of
an individual, but of the public complaining of the
Crown. He was told, "Do not complain, you are
only the public; I am your foster mother—l am
your .tendsr parent, in whom you may safely con-
fide." " Most excellent Sovereign," he would reply
"most gracious Queen; most deeply do I reverence,
your exalted station; most entirely do I confide in your
maternal care; but nevertheless, as long as Kings are
Kings, and Queens are Queens, where there are conflict-
ing interests—where your Majesty is on one side and I
happen to be on the other, and I am in open and avowed
conflict with your rights, when I deny your right—when
my case is that you are wrong and I am right, may it
please your Majesty not to be offended if I say I had
much rather, with all my loyal affection and profound
veneration for your Majesty, and the constitution of
which you are the head, trust myself to my own defence
of my own rights." But if the Attorney-General must
necessarily be made a defendant, the information might
be filed by the Solicitor-General. But what would be
the construction put upon the conduct of the Attorney-
General ? Would it be thought that he had taken his
course because there was nothing in the point about to
be raised? Could they think—would the public think—.
would any portion of the public think or believe, or for
an instant fancy it possible, that all this had been done
b<, cause it was supposed that the case was quite clear,
that there was no doubt whatever as to the right of
the Crown to do what it was now doing, and that
the public were all wrong and had no title whatever to
interfere ? No; it was because they dared not let it go
into court—it was because they preferred to the decision
of a court their majority of 166, got together not, he
would venture to say, by any efforts on the part of the
proper officer endowed with what was commonly called
the whip.—(Hear, and a laugh.) But there were more
whips than one. There were other whips than that of
the Treasury Secretary. There were Court influences
and canvassers, and there were persons who mutually
were influenced by, and, in their turn, influenced those
Courts—those whose

" Whispers still to greatness far too near,
Which often vibrate in a monarch's ear."
Fine writing had been described as right words in right
places, and so fine voting might consist in giving right
votes in right places; but all these votes would not serve
to remove from the minds of the people of this city and
of this country the conviction, that the reason for relus-
ing the fiat was one and 'one only, namely—that they
were wrong in point of law and dared not go into court.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE complained that his
Noble and Learned Friend had given him no notice of
his intention to bring, this subject under their Lordships'
notice. He denied that the Attorney-General had done
more than fearlessly and conscientiously to discharge his
duty to the best of his judgment and discretion. He
also distinctly denied that any instructions had been
given him to depart from that course which he con-
ceived to be essential for the public interests; and he
would add that, were he capable of yielding to such in-
fluences, he would not be the son of that father whose
memory, in common with his Noble and Learned
Friend, he affectionately cherished and venerated. He
protested against the allusions made by his Noble and
Learned Friend to the discussions which bad taken
place elsewhere. He must be forgiven for saying that
it was ens thing to refer to the recorded votes of the
other House, and another to the speeches delivered
there in detail, the inconvenience of which was prove :1
by experience. Whether his Honourable and Learned
Friend the Attorney-General had acted judiciously
or not in considering the majority of the House of
Commons as the exponent of the public voice, and in
regarding the relators to whom his Noble and Learned
Friend had referred as representing their own feelings
only, and not the feelings and sentiments of the public
at large, his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-
General would no doubt be able satisfactorily to explain
in the proper place. All he could say was, that he
did not stand there to defend or explain the course pur-
sued by the Attorney-General in the exercise of the
great and important functions entrusted to him; but to
express his conviction that he would be able to justify
himself in point of law, of equity, and of policy.
Lord BROUGHAM said the reason why he had not
given his Noble Friend notice of his intention to call
their Lordships' attention to the subject was that he
had only received the Petition last night. The Noble
and Learned Lord was understood to say that he had
communicated his intention to the Attorney-General.
Earl GREY warmly protested against the imputation
cast by the Noble and Learned Lord on the motives
of the Government and law officers of the Crown,
without giving any notice of his intention to any mem-
ber of the Government in that House.

CIVIL LIST.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER protested against
the motion which the Noble and Learned Lord opposite
had placed upon the paper in reference to the Civil List,
which, in his opinion, was perfectly unconstitutional.
The Noble and Learned Lord bad declared his intention
of dealing with the whole of the Civil Liat, forgetting.
apparently, that it was the result of a bargain made with
the Crown on the surrender of its hereditary revenue.
Lord BROUGHAM said he had no motion with re-
spect to the Civil List as yet, and the observations of the
Noble Marquis were therefore somewhat premature. He
would not take advantage of the opening afforded him
by the Noble Marquis to discuss the subject, but he de-
nied the bargain.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER would take that
opportunity of stating that no alteration had been made
in the salaries of the officials of the Board of Green
Cloth, and the Gentleman who had succeeded Sir T.
Marrable received the same amount as that gentleman
had received while living.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he attached
great importance to the subject, and would take care
that the Lords should be summoned for the night when
his Noble and Learned Friend proposed to bring his
motion forward.

THE LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LAND (IRE-

LAND) BILL.
Lord BEAUMONT moved the third reading of this
Bill.

The LORD CHANCELLOR expressed his approval
of the principle of the Bill, but suggested that the max-
imum amount of compensation under the measure should
be fixed at a year and a half's rent.

The Earl of WICKLOW said that in his opinion the
courts of justice ought to be left to decide upon that sub-
ject, and he thought it was better that they should reject
the Bill altogether. In order to record his opposition
to the measure he should move that it be read a third
time that day three months.
Lord BEAUMONT defended the Bill.

Lord MONTEAGLE thought that they ought to be
allowed to have an opportunity of considering the amend-
ment suggested by the Lord Chancellor, and that the
further progress of the measure should be suspended for
that purpose until next week.
Lord REDESDALE said he was favourable to the
principle of the Bill, but he could not think that its pro-
visions were calculated clearly and fully to carry out that
principle.
The Bishop of DOWN said be thought that they
ought to postpone until another session their final de-
cision upon that subjrct.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said that an act of
injustice had been done by the Bill of last session, and
in his opinion they ought at once to endeavour to remedy
that injustice.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, in explanation,
that having had the Bill referred to him by the Noble
Marquis the President of the Council, and having com-
pared it with the existing law, he thought that it was an
improvement upon that law, principally upon the ground
that the Legislature had intended to give some such
compensation as was granted in that Bill. The only
amendment which he had proposed was, that the maxi-
mum of the compensation should be one-and-a-half years'
rent.

After a few words from the. Earl of WICKLOW,
Lord STANLEY suggested, as the motion for the
third reading had been proposed, that the consideration
of the amendments should be taken on Monday next.,
The Bill was then read a third time, and the considera-
tion of the amendments fixed for Monday next.
Earl GREY moved the third reading of the Militia
Pay Bill, which was agreed to, and the Bill passed.
On the motion of Earl GRANVILLE the Stock in
Trade Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Several Bills on the table were advanced a stage. and
their Lordships adjourned at a Quarter past Eight
o'clock.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, July 26,
PRIVILEGE.-BARON ROTHSCHILD.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. HUME proposed that the adjourned debate
should be resumed on Monday, at twelve.
Mr. SPOONER objected to this arrangement.
After a discussion of a ♦ery irregular nature,
Mr. ANSTEY moved, as an amendment, that the de-
bate be resumed at five o'clock that evening.
Mr. B. OSBORNE seconded the amendment.
Mr. SPOONER hoped the House would not assent to
either the motion or the amendment.—(Laughter.) He
thought some farther time ought to be given to allow
Scotch and other Members who might be absent to attend
in their places when the debate was resumed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought the adjournment
should be to the earliest possible time—(Hear; bear)—
in order to decide this question, the more especially as

the Hon. Member for London (Baron Rothschild) did
not wish to be heard by c,iunsel on the preliminary point.
Ho would support the motion fr adjournment, and
thought that the adjournment should be to Monday
next —([year, hear.)
Mr. SCOTT rose, amid loud cries or " Divide " and
considerable uproar, to propose that the adjournment
should ha to Tuesday
Mr. REYNOLDS had listened with Job.late patience
for the last three hours to the speeches on this question
—(Laughter)—but had been wholly unable to understand
to what day the House wished to adjourn.—(" Divide,
divide," and great uproar.) All he had to say was this,
that this question had been before the House for three
years, and that eight divisions had taken place upon it,
or upon the question of civil and religious liberty. He
begged to express his delight that Baron Rothschild
had taken a manly stand on this question, and
that all hypocrisy in discussing it was to be got rid of.
Ile trusted this House would not he the tool of the House
of Lords in treating this question.—(Divide, divide.)
He would support an adjournment until Monday, at
twelve o'clock, though if his Hon. Friend (Mr. Anstey)
persisted in dividing the House on his amendment, that
the adjournment should take place until five o'clock this
day, he (Mr. Reynolds) would vote with him.
Amid great confusion Mr. SCOTT ultimately with-
drew his motion.

Sir C. BURRELL proposed an amendment that the
debate should be adjourned until Tuesday, at twelve.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion that the debate be ad-
journed until Monday at twelve . l9l
For the amendment that it be adjourned
until the evening at five 62
Majority in favour of adjourning
until Monday at twelve —l29
The gallery was again cleared, and the House divided
on Sir C. Burrell's motion, when there appeared—
For the original motion l6B
For the motion of adjournment till
Tuesday
Majority for the original motion
The debate was consequently adjourned until Mon-
day, at twelve o'clock.
The House then adjourned until a Quarter before
Six o'clock.

The House resumed at a Quarter before Six o'clock.

PE lIiIONS.

Mr. WYLD presented a petition from the colliers of
Durham in favour 0( the Colliery Inspection Bill.
General LYGON presented a petition from Corn-
wall against the admission of Jews to Parliament.

Sir F. THESIGER presented a petition from
four individuals who had been prevented from becom-
ing relators in a suit in Chancery, complaining of
the evils and inconvenience which will arise from
holding the National Exhibition of 1851 in Hyde-
park. The petitioners stated that it was the
intention of the Commissioners of the Exhibition to
erect a very large building in a portion of the park,
and for that purpose they had obtained a licence
from the Commissioners of Woods and Forests for about
20 acres of the moat ornamental part of the park; that it
was proposed to erect a steam-engine and boiler of consi-
derable size, with the necessary offices and conveniences;
that the Attorney-General had refused to sanction the
institution of a suit in Chancery; and the petitioners
prayed the House to take the matter into their consi-
deration, and to take such a course as should prevent
a denial of justice.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition from Bir-
mingham against the new postal arrangements.
NEW WRIT FOR DUNGANNON.

A new writ was ordered for the election of a Member
for tho borough of Dungannon, in place of Lord North-
land.

PROVISION FOR THE PRINCE OF WALES.
Lord J. RUSSELL brought up a Message from her
Majesty, recommending her faithful Commons to grant
Marlborough House to the Prince of Wales on his at-
taining the age of eighteen.
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that he would move
the Message of her Majesty be taken into consideration
oa Monday next.
IRISH FRANCHISE BILL.

Lord J. RUSSELL said he would now state, in com-
pliance with the notice which he had given, what
course he intended to take with reference to the Iristi
Franchise Bill. The House of Lords had made
several amendments to the Bill, two of which were
of considerable importance. One was the alteration of
the qualification giving a vote for a county from 81. to
151., and the second rendered it not compulsory for per-
sons qualified to vote to register their names. Now,
with respect to the first amendment, he proposed that
the qualification instead of being 151. should be 121., and
as to the other amendment, be proposed to disagree with
their Lordships.
STAMPING OF PERIODICALS.
In reply to Mr. SCHOLEFIELD,

Mr. C-ORNE WALL LEWIS, who was indistinctly
heard, was understood to say that the Board of Stamps
considered that Mr. Dickens's Household IVarrative
of current events came under the designation of a news •
paper. and therefore required a stamp. Messrs. Bradbury
and Evans, the printers, had offered to send a special
case on the subject to the Court of Exchequer, and the
Board had, agreed to their proposition.