The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-26 00:00:00

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; not exactly similar, to that now bJoie us. le
my a at
non there has ric Ter been a fairer or a more "r'' :his
t
tional appeal than that made by the Noble Lord 6e ilt„,
side.—(Cheers.) It Las been met in a spi;it of brlgth'7,„
insolence.—(Opposition cl.e rs, and (iistcnt frue
ert).
other "side.) Fur my part, 1 shall as& I myself fev
form the House permits of opposilie. the present Pr _
gross of this Bill I therefore n-o.e,'Sir, that you "EP"
progress, and ask leave to sit again.—(Loud cheers.)
The Committee then dividtd, when there Bpi e-tred--
For reporting progress ... • • 81
Against it... „, 191
Majority ,„ 10
On the gallery being re -opened,
Mr. FORBES ta'.d he felt it to hi his duty to ritor
that the Chairman leave the chsir. He couid not belxpiesiing his surprise at the course. pursued biP
e!b
Government. The Bell of last year had never been
e
_
pressed on their attention, at d the pre sent Bill had be"
read a second time only on Friday last. lie should 110,
be doing. his duty if, he did not resist the tyranuicil
course e f the Government.
Captain I.3ATEtiON approved of the intentin cf Lb°
Hon. Aiem 11
her fur Stirlingshir,. It was most ~Ll4'
tote! indecent t press a Bill with such haste through the
11, use. The argument fur postponing 13111 had he'll";
anstwered. He the ught that the Government acre alarMIL
.st the dkision cf Thursda and kit that the tile y last,
which tl ey worshipp,d—free-trad 11e—vras in jeopardj•—*
(tie are hear.) Ile had &wins been, and still vrast,,,
suprrter ei the union betwe Ca the two countries; etl
the conduct of the Government on this occasion would -
be used C.y many
as a rt a on for the repeal of thgl
union.—(Hear.)
Li,. if did not think the Noble Lord qv'''.
could advance any one instance as an answer to the Mt'
answerable: argument of the lion. Member for the Us''
versity of Dublin. He thought he might safely °Li)?
the Noble Lord to adduce any instance of a Bill of toe
importance and length of the present having bLen pressed
forward from the second reading on a Friday to Coal.
wit ei on Monday, and that without notice.—(Cheele'
and cries of " Ni.") It was the more indecent. 2s "
Member best qualified to suggest amendments had de-
elated that the course taken by the Government had cu
privtd him of the opportunity of putting to the vote the,
amendments he wished to propose. Unless a prccedeo
could be shown for the course taken he should feel Jus-
tified in availing himself of the forms of the lIOUte tostay procedure on the Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. P. WOOD thought it right that the countrf
should know the nature of the measure and the course
taken by the other side. The measure had been under
the consieeration of Parliament for no less than three
years.

An noel. MEMBER—Fifteen years. h Els
Mr. I'. WOOD—For fifteen years.—(A
meant that the identical measure bad be d
three years before them.—(Bear, hear.) In Irc'Euiri
the constituency had been reduced, by unforetion se
of
misfortunes, to about 140,000 in a pop uls
tete
rui
about 8,000,000. It was propceed by this Lidl to
the franchise so far as to increase the number of V°tcry
to 250,000.—(Hear, hear.) A good deal of uecessahe
machinery would be put in operation by this
te
first step must he taken in June text, otherwise
would be no constituency in November. The last of the
d it
assizes would not terminate till the 10th of April, anbo.
Vra.! quite clear that ursless this measure was eesseddis.
fore the middle of May the Irish people would her ask
franchised for another 3 ear. At present 75 ont„,l9l:,se
105 Memlers for Ireland were in attendance. 1° hie
the House to postpone the Committee in order to en:f° r
gentlemen opposite to keep the measure eendie',Ao
another year, was a course proper enough for lh l'a -nee
resisted every extension of the suffrage, but it was -the
which he hoped the Government would resist le
utmost.—(Hear, hear.)
f
Mr. MILES was astonished at the observations 0-,ine
Hon. Member fir Oxford who had just sat down. ed
would suppose from the remarks of the lion. sled Lear
Member Member that they on that side were opposed to a"' d
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tension of the franchise.—(Hear.) The 11°P.e dir
Learned Member for the University of Dublin had 011
tinctly stated that though there were parts of t"eis,,le.
relating to the franchise to which he had some eueitied
tions, he conceded the registration parts, and adrnr
that the constituency of Ireland wag no' itiod
satisfactory state.—(H) art )If they on that Bid° they
opposed the princeple of altering the fraechiss
Nould have taken a division on the second reat.lt to
they had taken no such division, thereby leading Ibina
ebe inferred that in their opinion the franchise of
required to be amended. (Hear.) Ho was est°ll, „eot
the Noble Lard at the head of the Government ha'
yielded to the request made for delay. It was teaso-n-hieh..
able delay, and the division might have shown the ~,e
Lard that there were many in the minority *be es° fie
supported the Government who seemed to think see
0.
trusted if the Nt ble Lord did not consent to aniefiron
ment of the question in order to gilt,' time for die
Members to consult with their constituents, that it,
minority would use all those means which it has altar
command to resist being bound hand and foot by a -
jority.—(Cheers.)
sit bef
Mr. M. J. O'uONNELL thought the Hon• ii.ect!i•eg
for Sotnersetshire had advised a course of preen
which
no one ever came out of with either sencessteviS
credit.—(llear.) Ile had come down to attend Terisb
ane did not think that it was the first duty "had
Members to set,nd assiz.fs.—(Hear, hear.) They ate
already wasted two hours in fruitless u's-uti
sion. He was quite sure the Government WOod
post pone any clause upon which the Hon.
Learned Member for the University of Dublin
wished to move amendments.—("Oh °I Oh!") The ~
"e 0
Lord the Member f r!'
Tyrone wished to delay the -tsi
mittee out of deference to the opinion of his constituennot
but he thought it strange the Noble Lord eiteni,,d,.ere
have consulted his constituents upon the Ine'iarl
when it was brought forward last year. Parliamen
terms would not allow him to refer more particte'qul3.
the course pursued by lion. Gentlemen oPlicsove'
they all lereier well enough that it was n new itt et
that a new compact and alliance had taken place' e, far
Lichfield house, perhaps, but at some place not
from it.—(IHAMILTO lear, hear.) tits/
Lord C. N thought it was strange, „hi
lion. Members tepreleatieg large consituencies!'oe;re.
(eject to an Hon. Meual ec wishing to consult
steuents with °gird to an important measure Part-ey
tarty affecting them. lie had- the same right a: atigh
metropolitan Member to consult his con.titu elts, lhire
it was not so easy a matter for him to do it. - the
were other Nays of accounting for the opposition to
n
manner in which the Bill was passed than that taken
the Hon. Member for Kerry, who saw in that opPO-10 •
what he called a "Lew move." This Bill would 01100
great alteration of the Reform Act, and yet it lisd 00
printed on Wednesday, read a second tins °do
Friday, and set down for Committee on the 3f°,l/?....
following. Was tl ere ever such indecei t haste
(Hear.) He defied the Noble Lord and the Genhemtit
opposite to point out an instance in which all reehile ibe
ut importance had been pressed througmem.
House with such indecent precipitation. But theinieal
hers of the minority would not submit to so Val tv's
mode of proceeding. If the members of her 01
Government were so anxious for the speedy Pas'iesd it
the measure, why, he would ask, had they not na.t 60
to be printed at the period of its first introductioe,
pros
that the House might have had time to consider its bol
visions? His Hon. Friend the Member for ICerrf bad
expressed his surprise that he (Lord C. ibis
not consulted his constituents upon the subject ct erai
Bill in the course of the Last session. But the fspe,-eselt
that he had at that time foiled it unnecessary le e-aeure
them, because he had been well aware that the Weil net
which had then been brought before the House was of
Hamiltoni
to have been proceeded with until the comecencepsO the
another session. In conclusion, he could asiartourer
House that he approved of the principle of them e Irish
and that he was anxious for an extension Of the
franchise; but he felt that they ought not to Pass. 0.
rn
sure of that importance without mature deliberelled Who
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Noble LI .000
had just addressed the House had asked for an Lrl" yid
in which a Bill had been proceeded with
manner which it was proposed that they shoutas,!,,,id
upon that occasion. Now he (Lord J. Russell)
our.
have thought that there was not a volume of tit
nets which did not contain precedents of follow
been proceeded with in Committee in the wee tinie•
ing that in which they had been read a sewnßill 00
in th?_rcioo,ls
Moreover, the present measure happened to be Sad bad
which the Noble Lerd and other lion. Members" isionft
ample opportunities of considering its main P igeit
Tt,e Bill had been introduced on the Ist of Mfg 00:0
and the main question which it involved was ''' Rebel°
ace been whether the county franchise of fro-
should or should not be altered to an 81. rating jai'
chile. That was a most important question. It haileeen
teamed a good deal cf attention in Ireland; it hauntry;
much discussed in ell the newspapers of that c;3l, had
political parties and the community generally and
expressed various opinions with respect to it' sub'
not only had that main provision been
_hawse
sect of much debate, but the various ~.;)
of the !maim e bad also undergone eonsidera,u..'cod in
cussion. Then again it had been re-intrtr_ueLord
the year 1849. But it turned out, certainly to %Noble
J. Russell's) great surprise, that although tu.Leyear
Lord had teen in Ireland, as he believed, both in tie had
1848 and in the year 1849, and although the me" the
been a subject of much discussion in that countrt'at he
Noble Lord had observed so discreet a silence .until
bed never asked a word about it—(Hear, hear) _unht
the year 1850, e hen his Right lion. Friend
the subject under their consideration. The Ne'L said,
then suddenly started up from his slumbers and
Lt uf
" This is an important question, I never thousgl,l.tinpeo
before; I shall ask now what my constituent P;tahi
to think about this Bill." Certainly there arise
CO'
reasons given from time to time for delaying dedeccd
sideration of a measure, but the reason to nee,......fr0i0
from that peculiar character of the Noble Lordpd
his extreme reserve and taciturnity—(Hear,
podia° /.1.1
laughter)—is hardly a sufficient ground for
and
to say'
to stop a proceeding of ties description.
__rudders'
"Let us go home teenight—let us deter the.iehuno re.;
tion of the Bill until the Noble ord shall/cries 04
•
ceived letters from the county Tyrone. '•re to yell
" Hear, hear.") The Noble Lord was Webs(' one,
them whether or not the measure was tic
ex ten
he:licr or net the Irish franchise ought to e_do eo!fr!
Another complaint which the Noble Lord heetrthe Bill
that r Maje,te's Ministers had not brohe_ll.tfosi,o)p,,e,
printed. Now that seemed to him (Lord talS himee.lte
be most exti a :rdinary complain'. He „emitted la.,
when a young Member of the House, eC"; esti bee;
et ror of brieging in a Bill printed; but b_ida that
immediately stepped by the Speaker, and lfeihe goosed
had been acting in violation of the forms he bed
Af er having spent a few years in Parliamen! that the
become aware, and other Members e ere sassesheeld is
forme of the House required that a Bill sheered
brought in in written shape, and that it was,
jes slight
tie printed, when it was read a first time. ht j 3 th°
lion. Friend could not, therefore, have hr00;-,:in penis:
Bill printe I. Now he thought that as themhe peoe
sions of the measure had been so long before 1"