The Sun.
London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

THE SUN,

?..titierann the afernaer f Oxfat,l. The Bill was liaerel
eY4z(l en '
azid y co onial measure over preetnael to the. /Louse,
The " ueefplahle to the great hody of the colonists.
tio,i?ely objection to the Bill was with reference te
eohia' chamber; but even this objection the colonists
thslyl'abh,ave power by the Bill itself to fo :i.l af
IL and so think fit. Henppealed, then, to those
;i'!teenbere who had hitherto supported the Bill stiff
flier to it their votes in this. its last stage, and not tur-
%en del4Y legislation on the subject. Tee Riglit Hon.
referred eman opposite had, in the course of his yernag:s,
the tub. to the question of waste laude. Ile consi tired
areatubject of waste lands in the colonies as one of the
Ism east importance, as well far the people of Eat -
loeinten fur the people of the colonies. The sole
tear. ~hraci how they could be best managed for their
koteaPste The Honourable Gentleman thought they
no be best managed by the local legislatures. He
Tate eat Guy
that there were in the colonies persons
kale . Pab of dealing with the subject, but, at the
AressotZlei he though: they might be exposed to local
bilt not, perhaps, amounting to jobbing or corrup-
*bah what might end in their passing measures
la, would transfer the waste lands to a number of
kr holders fir a very low price. When the Right
gentleman talked of two chambers being better
fo 'sae for the management of waste land, he must have
ter,rall the case of Canada. [Mr. Gladstone made a re-
ater
euoss the table.]:The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed
eit'utFk that all the difference lay in having the two
tiro e'er! elective, but could he suppose that even with.
fs,,„ "hire Chambers there would be so essential a dif-
,heZe between the members of each as to constitute a
The b°.ll the subject of the disposal of waste lands ?
with
light
onourable Gentleman had found fault.
tourite""e Bill because it did not provide for a f a-
kiprea, Project of his—the establishment of
..a
diteotaae court.—(Hear.) But the case of Australia
of iaeg from America, inasmuch as it bad not one body.
ha td w but four. The question of the franchises
thee c'eught would be better dealt with by the colonist
the WI that House. The Right Hon. Gentleman and
teer°n• and Learned Member for Sheffield had referred
°ltr• ew Zealand, and making use of a hackneyed phrase
ies.,°l it as one of the-blunders of the Colonial-
Pis e',l 'Gut with regard to New Zealand, the House had
ateLat'nanienously and bond fide a Bill establishing rc-
PateCd'aliae institutions. That measure had been sus-
tll- "Ply on the statement of the Governor that in
thelobability the laws made by so small a minority as
Peleiletitri°Peana would not be submitted to by the native
4444°11, Paying, as they did, nearly the whole
1)44 a That was two years ago. Accounts had been
laid eh the other day from the colony, and would be
aonseall the table shortly. It appeared from them, so
!like ,ed, was the Governor with the progress that had
lie e„LeP'hee. and with the tranquillity that prevailea, that
ill bee intimated to the Secretary for the Colonies that,
be opinion, representative institutions should not
alser'gar withheld. Without making any positive
en the subject, he might say that he had every
for teen of laying
on the table this session a measure
`4r4titelg to New Zealand representative institutions.
the
4r ) Under all those circumstances, he hoped
111 %se would read the Bill a third time.
°r '4ln DENISON said that on looking at the state
14,.4.°115e he perceived that it would be useless for
the Meaaber to propose an amendment of which
40.-yerntleent disapproved. The Bill having reached
his 0,-; ',tag% he could not refrain from stating that, in
rhata;a,°'eni it was, in its present state, objectionable in
illtiole°'utsi and particularly so in the form of con t -
Ihotseewhich it would confer on the colonies. He
fir eaaa* it Wrong as respected the federal assembly, and
bins ",re Wrong in withholding from the colonists the
, vat
ale haileent Of their own waste lands.—(Hear, hear.)
lief a:: always thought that the principle of the Bill wee
twe,oanting to the colonists the management of their
the 74'1,- True, a power was given them of altering
'aliaeharistitution conferred by the Bill; but that power
el'ileY most desired—the power of dealing with
etathe: aseite lands—was withheld froth them. The Right
fete,'" Under-Secretary had alluded to the feeling in
that-ireof the Bill, but it had been announced to mein
IseCeY would have the management of their waste
,),k1 iIAIVES—In. General Assembly.
lea
rr'eDENlSal.N—When the Bill was introduced last
,„"? Mention WAS made of waste lands, and on
ar4eltierl respecting them being put to the Noble
a:- tt the hep:-.ld of the Government, he answered that
tele lake some days to consider the subject. Aaer
laiolona
4nw deliberated upon the subject, the Noble Lord
ate- ~.;n and announced the determination of the G 0-
thZent to grant the management of the waste land-
% e e"loniste. That declaration had been the
.source
6re
144, gatisfaction to the coloaists. So much impor-
-144; did the colonists attach to the question of waste
thati, he believed they would accept the manage-
)tita °' them without this Bill, rather than this Bill
fall °°l the management of them.—(Hear, hear.) The
tage;hr'ginally delegated to the federal assembly the ma-
ellee-ae,nt of waste lands; but when it came to .be dis•
labaa m Committee, the Noble Lord withdrew the ma-
the;eint not only from the federal assembly, but from
titieees altogether.—(Hoar, hear.) One reason
wattki by the Noble Lord for placing the management
If teta",lands in the Colonial-office, was the necer,sity
41% "ling uniformity of management. Uniformity
tratiin that one rule should be directed to the adminis-
he sclll of affairs which were similar; but nothing could
ter •
Noin e dissimilar than the condition of the separate
kletit'es, and therefore uniformity of manage-
!tall would be deformity of management in
"lien" Case. The Noble Lord had also referred to a
lliat-ae,of the Governor of Vau Diemen's Land to show
Lk opinion was that it was desirable the discussion
The 'ha lands should not at present be proceeded with.
llitPeat object of that dispatch was to point out the
that wince between the colonies, and to show. the injury
welows°inkl be done to Van Diemen's Land if New South
tie,,reeiaaad a preponderating influence in any federal as-
kart(' In this dispatch reference was ma de to a re-
teo:°re the Legislative Council of New South Wales,
eittter, important document, and to which he begged the
•kle-'en of the Under-Secretary for the Colonies.
the the report had not reached the Colonia officaeti
!oePiher of it had arrived in this country. Me h
'lev:rred with the author of it that very day. [artr.
life Qt intimated that he had got the report.] That e.
Oh‘tated in the strongest manner, the inconvenience,
l f and injury of maintamin • • g in New South
Ithtl rya n upset price of 20s. an acre for waste land,
ri„ehte,?romended a reduction to ss. per acre, with a
171.. e utotie Pre-emption to leaseholders. He believed that
roe, ,mpt tci keep up the price of land had been
I;,t an-:ttve of mischief, and that the scheme of which
part had failed. The colonists would not
keaanitsfied • unless they obtained the manage-
kiVe-ef their waste- lands. It would be better to
ties ."111 that management now, and produce satisf?c-
qte'a;'han to have it wrested from the Colonial-office
hthe 'V. He also regarded the principle on which
hop al assembly was to be hosed as vicious. Th-.
the f tbad Learned Member for Sheffield had said that
ttroderal assembly would be of great u'e in questions
ttrealtl'i canals, and railways. He had hai some cern-
ihecta-aunication on this subject with gentlemen con-
',the CI, With the colony, and he wished the House to see
.e P°liey of the manaeement of the waste lands in
semi free
and the keeping up a high price,.
bad °Prate in such a work as a railway. Suppo•e
i!)" carried through some waste land, the parties
bahait
• (nahve to pay 20s. an acre, or it they desired cern
11411t:)-;; would have to make application to the Govern-
t'll Ken, England. Much time would There)), be.
;erg ,„"; Friend said that the present Bill did not int
,b'eason't"alin Act of Parliament. Nos, that was one
ahll4,•weY he (Mr. Denison) thought it objectionable.
nt ‘ltg as he did that the Bill in its present shape was
prof you Bill, and that it would not do that which it
I,t ea-4d to do the most expedient manner, and that
te-ol n°h such a useful measure as it had been described,
NI, hid not hesitate to give his vote against the third
alrnZ of the 11u-0-leer.)
eI4i)Pe'e4•I4STEY would suggest to the Hon. Gentlemen
ba'aretAwho represented and supported the Govern-
iteeeitue expediency of considering the questions
ila'• under their notice by the lion. Blemler who
lk .4st
tds ‘,2Poken. With respect, however, t the waste
a'i van Diemen's Land he did not think that sab-
ttliatt Zet°rl much interest in that colony, seeing that_lhe
been imprudently distributed by various
144% Nal which had preceded the present. Of the ad-
.i:lCttantion of the land fund in that particular colony,
le'daVit the colonists had ever reason to complain.
taken the liberty of proposing an amendment,
aviell„" hoped would be favourably entertained by her
ti'l)O-oloy'sstGetaoverfnment.
emigration to Vau Diemen's Land
it,"44lDttsev4,,,,lled, owhfireeheheamdLbre% attended with favourable
emigrants who had proceeded to that co-
-11144 With 111111 thosee
rethe impression the system of penal settlements
-I'4l 4'43/It to be ablaandoned.
.The proportion then of
lc)°,11111at•
attlin tt w lon, as compared wrath convict, was not half
for determined as in 1824. But i 1840 the Government
h tot,. upon making the colony a receptacle
sae /lets and since that period the latter population
OR elite .
aeet
f seCl in proportion to the free population to
working
the e•s would cause great difficulty in the
et.4nellee new constitution Great expense had been
shy the increase of Crime; and the taxes levied, as
altereaociantoduce of the land sales, had been absorbed
tile Year
1828" of that additional expenditure. From
eney invested in
whilseea by
the teotdloBt
no
1845 e,accordine to dispatch less than 218,0001,
t' was "a
the UV of 2,0001.
from Sir E. Wilmot in
jos air criterion hot calculated to exceed s
a,etieo with respect to the administration of
(e,',Rilt to be adopted with respect to all
the
rcoloo-.
1'4400 e"f'her colonies might be interested in p. op
° t the hnferHon. Member for Melton (Mr. E. Denison),
Ivie tiTatelaa Van Diemen's Land was not. The
046, hl or had said that if the proposei Bill were
"th'a4s, tb'eyllnder the consideration of the. other. col,-
tor. clause would reject ie because it contiinee‘d.
I° of Nab: and he heel contended that the na
• - tot h they might have expressed their approh_arlßite.
.aentain such a clause. Now. he (n.n
)1.'4 seeLTPUght the Hon. Gentleman was in error t
rcheve tartper e
.tttonalthough such a clause might no
of.l,_n the Bill submitted to the colonists, the
thq it wa. `," Committee of Council was before them,
dapos'lan,nown to be the opinion of the Governor that
t;44is of the of the waste lands ought to be left in the
the i the
t Government. He bal, therefore, contended
iii,ta„Ptiprobation of the colonists had been given to
lenriell it was ~.measure, notwithstanding the provision
te4". As ficeevrn to contain with respect to the waste
eltheelaee it ai popular opinion was concerned, he
hy though it eued been expressed in favour of the measure,
D,olche eiret:lad many de fees, It was vitally demanded
tesoiessea r°_stances of all the colonies with, which it
ettabli wbLe,l7 t one, and that one was New Sou..h
Ine, "shed, 2aua a shrt of constitution
.had. been already
Christi ton4sautn which was therefore indifferent to the
'li4/e.rclbena4dre.to Was
ay
it not strange, then, that they.
it because that colony was in-
}ail? ad it progress, although three other colonies
auti line au Dietnen'a Laud was in favour of the
Passed a resolution of censure, at a great

meeting, on the Government for hav:rig deferred it lass
year. tic trusted the amendment of the Hon. Member
tor Melton un the subject of the waste lands would re-
ceive the favourable attention of the Government., as
well as that whieh he had himself suggested with respect
to the pc-dice expentlitere, and more especially as he be-
lieved the principle of the bill would not be at all affected
by either.
Mr. AGLIONBY begged to make only one or two
remarks in that stage of the debate. On the subject cif
the wae'e lands he would not enter, because he conceived
that to be oat of place oa the present occasion. With
respect to the civil list lie would only observe, that he
thought it ought to be put under the control of the local
legislature, and the sooner the better. Now with 'a-
spect to the present Bill endtthe various amenements
proposed, it seemed to him that the question risked by
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Oxford was
simply this, " would they take the Bill as it was, or post-
pone it for another session?" Now, weighing the balance
of good aed evil, he (Mr. Aglionby) was for assenting
to the Bill as it was at present. He concurred in a great
deal of what had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite, and agreed with him in some of his objections;
but, at the same time, he considered it was better to take
the Bill now than postpone it. It would be of import-
ance to show the colonists that the Imperial Legislature
was disposed to take a step and then a vote on the
management of their own affairs. If he thought that
was a final measure, he would oppose it; but as it recog-
nised a proper principle of self-government, and gave a
means for improving and reforming the constitution
hereafter, it found expedient, he did not think it ought
bo be put off for another session.
Mr. SCOTT said the Honourable Member who had
last spoken supported the Bill because it was not a final
one. lie considered it a bad and a faulty measure, and
therefore he had come to the conclusion that he ought
to vote in favour of the Bill. Now he (Mr. Scot.) hoped
other Hon. Members would come with him to a different
conclusion, and vote for the postponement of the third
reading. becauie it was a bad and a faulty Bill. It was
not at all astonishing that some of the colonies should
be anxious to obtain representative institutions; but he
denied the assumption that the present Bill was so much
desired by the colonies as had been stated. They who
thought with him maintained that there was by no
means sufficient evidence before the House to show that
the colonists were in favour of the Bill. That was the
reason why they moved that the third reading should
be postponed until further advicea were received from
the colonies. They were not to take statements from
newspapers as authoritative documents with respect to
the state of public feeling in the colonies. They should
look to the reports of the Legislative Council, the ad-
dresses of the governors, and the opinions expressed in
their petitions by the colonists themselves. The Go-
vernor of New South Wales, in two separate dispatches,
had strongly stated his opinion in favour of two
assemblies; and the Governor of Van Diemen's Lead
had expressed a similar opinion—an opinion which was
also eutertained by the Legislative Councils of South
Australia and of New South Wales. Her Majesty's
Ministers themselves had stated that the measure was
not in accordance with their own views, but had been
brought forward to meet the wishes of the inhabitants
of the colonies. Then, again, it was laid down in the
report of the Privy Council, which might be looked upon
as the portion of the Government most capable of !tinning
a wise decision upon the subject, that a double chamber
would bo preferable to a single one. Such an arrange-
meet 'would at the same time be more consonant with
the principles of the British constitution. With regard
to the proposal for the establishment of a federative as-
sembly, be should say that, in his opinion, it would be
more Cesirable that the colonists should send their repre-
sentetives or delegates to this country than that they
should send them to a federative assembly in any of the
colonies. He believed that the measure as it then stood
was not approved of by the colonists, while it was con-
detmeed by the Privy Council in this country, and by a
large portion of the House of Commons; and he there-
fore thought that they ought to postpone the third read-
ing, and endeavour to bring in a Bill of a less objection-
able character, and one mere likely to produce satisfac-
tion in the colonies.
Mr. SIMEON said he could not help feeling much
surprise at the course which her Majesty's Government
had pursued upon that subject. At the commencement
of the session the House had heard a most liberal colo-
nial policy clearly pointed out in the Sp, eels from the
['brute. The establishment of a double chamber had
been strongly advocated by Honourable Members on
both sides of the House. The colonial assemblies and
the colonial governors had expressed their opinions to
the same effect ; and yet the House was then called upon
to pass a measure of the directly opposite character.
He was not one of those who looked upon the colonies
as incumbrances to this country. On the contrary, he
thought that thelmperisl greatness of Great Britain was
bound up in their maintenance, and he would never be
a party to a course of policy which would, at whatever
distance of time, present the vista of a severance. The
two prominent points brought forward in this discussion
were, the question of a double chamber, and that of Im-
perial control over the local affeirs of the colony. With
respect to the first they were told that the Bill gave a
poWer to the colonists to modify their constitution ;
but they ought either to have legislated for the
colonies, or have given them the power of legislating fur
themselves ; but they had done neither one thing nor
the other. It was said that the materials for a second
chamber did not exist in the colony, and it was pos-
sible that a difficulty might be found at present in form-
ing such a body; but the course which they were asked
to pursue would tend to perpetuate this unfortunate state
of things. With reference to the second point, it had
been asked what were local Acts ; butfthis he thought
had been sufficiently answered by the Hon. Baronet the
Member for Southwark. After all that had been said by
the Noble Lord at the head of the Government what did
they see? A Bill brought forward, under which the Co-
lonial-office was left an incubus still pressing upon the
colonies and paralysing their energies. With these
views he would support the amendment of the Right
Hon. the Member for the University of Oxford.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME agreed with the Hon. Member that the
Colonial-office had been an incubus pressing on the
energies of the colonies ; and it was because he was
anxious to get rid of its baneful domination that he bad
decided on giving his support to the Bill. His aspira-
tions had always been to see the colonies governing
themselves, for he felt convinced that if they went on in
the old track they would lose every colony they had
'rhe Cape of Good Hope afforded a good example of the
advantages of self-government. That colony had the
power of forming its own government on the broadest
principles. There were two chambers there which
he preferred, but then they were elected Chambers
and had no nominees among them. In fast, one of his
principal objections to this Bill was the mixture of
nominees in the representation. The 35th clause gave
the colony the power of remodelling its constitution ;
true, it must come home fir approval, but this would only
cause a slight delay, and would be much bitter than
waiting a year to legislate.
Mr. ADDERLEY observed that even the Hon. Mem-
ber for Montrose and the other adherents of the Go-
vernment ou the Treasury benches who had spoken,
while they supported the Bill, yet
in face, i
and censured
the the measure in detail. The Bill, f
would owe its success partly to the apathy and partly to
the antipathies of the House. The professed objects of
the Bill were to consult the wishes of the colonists and
t avoid delay. There teas an old adage, " more, haste,
worse speed," of which the conduct of the Government
in this instance efforded an admirable illustration; for it
was not likely that any permanent settlement woul f be
arrive lat under this Bill for twenty years to come. A
cemplete innovation was attempted to be made in the
principles on which the British constitution rested, and
upon a measure of' this kind, anomalous in its character,
I,tried on no precedent, having no analogy with that
constitution, he maintained the colony had a right to
be consulted. Tire same could not be said of
the project of the Honourable Baronet the Member for
S tuthwark, which was founded on the British constitu-
tion. The measure propoe, d having four different
parties in the chamber—there was the Government
party, the representative party, the local South Austra-
lian party, and the federal party. He was satisfied that
such an arrangement would never work well. Then
with regard to the franchise, it was evident that there
would be a general demand for an extension of the
franchise in the colony. geestions of that nature would
constantly turn up, and the effect would be that they
must be referred to the mother country. Endless delay
would be the result, and dissatisfaction would inevitably
ensue. The Hon. Gentleman the Under-Secretary for
the Colonies hail told them that the question before the
House that night was between the possession of the colo-
nies and their total loss, and he was ready to admit
that such was the case, but he denied that the retention
of the veto had anything to do with the retention of the
colonies. He would remind the House that it was the
exercise of the veto that had caused the loss of the
North American colonies, and in the case of South Aus-
tralia he had no doubt it would lead to endless disputes.
He hoped if the Government saw any means by which
they could more effectually carry out what they said
were their two objects namely, the retention of
the colonies, and the avoidance of delay, that they
would have the courage to postpone or withdraw the
present measure. _ .

Mr. DIVETT and Mr. Macgregor rose together, but
the latter gentleman gave way. He (Mr. Divett) must
complain (mat the Hon. Gentleman who had spoken last
had made the same speech three times over. He com-
plained, also, that the members of the Colonial Reform
Association monopolized all the talking to themselves;
and they were also endeavouring to reconcile extreme
Radicalism with extreme Toryism. The present was
the third session in which this Bill was brought for-
ward; and he was thoroughly persuaded that it would
give satisfaction to the colony.
Mr. STANFORD regretted that he was not able to
give his support to the amendment of the Right Hon.
Gentleman ; and he regretted this the snore as he was
always disponei to pay attention to anything that
fell from the Right Honourable Gentleman. He
should regret extremely if Government was induced
to give up their control over the land in the colonies—
he had always considered that control as most im-
portant in enabling the Government at home to send
oat the surplus population. He did not think that
the arguments against the exercise of the veto
were very happily urged, because the instances:rkferred
to could not under any point of view be brought forward
in eases of a tyrannical interference with the wishes or
fuelin;;s of the colonists. In the speech of the Hon. and
Loomed Seconder of the amendment, which he (Mr.
St inf. rd) had lost a very g iod dinner by remaining in
t House t) listen to—(A laugh)—he thought that
lion. and Learned Gentleman had done himself injustice.
Ile had compared himself to a British Diogenes, seeking
for the constitution, and yet he had objected to the Bill
because it was cco; analogous to the constitution which
he could not find. The Hon. and Learned Member had
also described the people in the colonies as being ar-
rayed ngainit and hatinq, each other, and be must there-
fore.express his astonishment that he should have urged
as an argument against the Bill that it would nut make

the people of the colony happy. Although ho did not
the Bill by any means a perfect measure, he should
vote aga'nst the amendment.
Mr. MACGREGOR, though not content with many
f the provisions of the Bill, yet looking to the evil of
further delay, and considering the good that it con-
tained, he would support it, that it might be sent out to
the colonies at once. If the Bill were to be a final mea-
sure, like the censt tutiou given to the American col.-
nize,, he should not give it his wise:it; hut seeing that it
left so much to the colonists themselves, and having
confidence in the Noble Lord at the head or
the Government, that he would not deny to the colonists
any measures which appeared to them to be practical,
he saw no reason for rejecting the Bill. With respect
to the local affairs of the colonies, he thought the Colo-
nial-otlice ought to leave to the colonists themselves the
management of all those concerns which were of a pecu-
liarly local character; but he would make some excep-
tions to these. He would not allow the colonies to im-
pose heavy or restrictive daties on goods imported into
their own territories either from the home country or a
foreign country, or from one colony to another; and the
various matters included in the schedules of the Bill he
would leave to the colonists themselves to regulate; and
with respect to salaries, while he would leave the sala-
ries of the governor and the chief justice a matter of ar-
rangement for the home Government, he would leave all
other public salaries to the management of the colonies.
He considered also that some alteration should be made
in the price of laud in those colonies, which was so high
that it drove many to the United States who would
otherwise proceed to Australia.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 128
Against it ... ... 226
Majority
Mr. ROEBUCK moved to extend the provisions of
the Bill so as to enable the legislatures of the British
North American colonies to establish a federative
assembly fir those colonies. He considered that
the only way to create a national feeling in those
colonies so as to prevent their being absorbed by the
United States.

Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the clause being
brought up. He did so without entering into the ques-
tion whether it was wise to establish such a federative
assembly. He considered it fir better to keep the Bill
to its purpose cf providing for the legislature of
Australia, without having mixed up with it any question
of a federative assembly for the American provinces.
Mr. ROEBUCK would not press his motion. He
only wished to record his opinion on the subject.
The motion was negatived without a division.
Mr. MO WATT withdrew the amendment which
stood in his name.

Mr. AGLIONBY proposed the following clause, pro-
viding fur representative institutions and the means of
self-government within the islands of New Zealand:—
" Whereas an Act was passed in the tenth year of the
reign of her Majesty, intituled An Act to make far-
ther provision for the Government of the New Zealand
Islands;' and another Act was passed in the twelfth
year of the reign of her Majesty, intituled An Act to
suspend for five years the operation of certain parts of
an Act of the tenth year of her present Majesty, for
making further provision for the Government of the New
Zealand Islands, and to make other provisions in lieu
thereof;' and whereas it is expedient that earlier and
other provision should be made for securing the rights
of representative institutions, and the means of self-go-
vernment, within the islands of New Zealand: be it
enacted, that. so much of the said last-recited Act as
suspends certain parts of the said first-recited Act be
hereby repealed, and that the said first-recited Act shall
be in full force and effect until and unless it shall be
hereafter repealed or altered."
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government had received
very recently letters from the governor of New Zealand,
stating that the condition of the colony was so satisfac-
tory that the constitution could be safely applied now.
At the same time, there were points in is which the Go-
vernment wished to amend. But as there would not be
time to do so this year they would, he hoped, be enabled
to bring in a sztistactory measure next year.
Mr. AGLIONBY would, under these circumstances,
withdraw his motion.
In reply to Mr. V. SMITH.

Mr. HANES said the stockholders beyond the 19
counties wou!d have the power of sending representa-
tives to the Legislative Council. The franchise would
❑ot be touched by the Bill, but would be left to the Co-
lor ial Legislature.
Mr. E. DENISON then moved that the Legislature of
each colony should have the management of the waste
lands within its limits. His amendment was upon clause
13, line 35, and was us follows, after the word "respec-
tively," to insert the following words:—" And for sell-
ing, demising, granting licences for occupation of or
otherwise disposing of waste lands of the Crown within
the limits of the colony, and for the appropriation of the
money to arise from such disposition of such lands, any-
thing in an Act of the 6th year of her Majesty, intituled
An Act for regulating the Sale of Waste Lands be-
longing to the Crown in the Australian Colonies,' or in
an Act of the 10th year of the reign of her Majesty to
amend such Act, and to make further provision for the
management of such land, to the contrary notwithstand-
ing: provided always, that one equal half part of such
gross proceeds shall be, and the same is hereby appro•
priated towards the expense of removal from the United
Kingdom to the colony wherein such revenue accrued of
emigrants from the United Kingdom."
Mr. HAWES said the question was certainly one of
great importance; but still he thought it would be better
the Bill should stand as it was. Opinions even in the
colonies were divided on the question; a fact he proved
by extracts from a memorial of certain stockholders,
asking Government to adhere to the old policy. Under
the existing Act nearly 2,000,0001. had been raised and
expended on labour and emigration to the colonies. The
objection of the Legislative Council of New South Wales
was not to the principle or policy of the Act, but to the
price of land; but out of every 205., the price of an acre
of land in the colony, 10s. were spent in local improve•
meets, and 10a. upon the emigration of labourers. The
present price prevented the absorption of more land than
could be satisfactorily cultivated. and hindered the evils
of accumulation of territory in the hands of individuals.
He hoped, therefore, the motion would not be pressed to
a division.

Mr. HUME thought the question should come sepa-
rately betore the House; and he trusted a division would
not be taken on it at that moment, but that the subject
should be deferred for discussion to an early day. For
that reason he should rote against the motion if it went
to a division.

Mr. SCOTT said the principle of 20s. an acre had
been adopted because the South Australian Company
had obtained land at that price and did not wish to sell
it for less. That was the reason why an Act of Parlia
•cent was passed raising the price of land in the colonies
from ss. to 20s. an acre. Daring six years prior to the
Act the land sales brought 800,000/.
Mr. HUTT denied the statements of the Hon. Member
as far as they related to the South Australian Company.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment , 82
Against it 222
Majority against the amendment --140
Mr. ANS I'EY then moved to insert in schedule C the
figures " 5,0001," instead of " 13,3001."

Mr. HAWES could not consent to the amendment,
and eventually Mr. Ansley withdrew it, and the Bid
passed.