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tageous that it should be advanced at home, particularly
in this case, where money could be advanced at present
in Ireland with the greatest advantage; and if this Bill
should have the effect of directing the course of capital
to that country, the proprietors of land would have the
benefit of such an introduction of capital. He believed
that a great number t f those now in possession of those
encumbered properties had not themselves thrown these
burthens on the land. but had strive" earnestly against the
hard circumstances of their condition, and were worthy of
any reward which this measure could confer upon them.
He did not say this Bill could not be improved, and he
should be very ready, when the Bill went into Com-
mittee, to give all the assistance in his power to render
it as perfect as possible. Ho had ascertained that the
Bill was regarded favourably in Ireland. It was certain
that it could do no harm, and might do much good, and
in his judgment would contribute to relieve the country
from the depression with which it was at present bur-
thened.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said the prospect now held
out to result from this measure was, that it would ee-
-1 chenge one class of encumbered pioprietors for another;
but the Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that those to
be constituted under this Bill wouli be more careful and
thrifty than those that preceded them. If the induce-
ment was so great to invest property in the purchase of
land in Ireland, as had been alleged, why was it that the
Government found it necessary to stimulate this outlay
of money in land in Ireland? The Bill and the speech
of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman indicated rather a
desire for a change of persons than to serve the pro-
prietors. The representations which had been made
against landed proprietors iu Ireland, induced a belief
that a change in the persons would be desirable. That
was not the fact, the tenants in Ireland would greatly
regret any such change. Giving credit to the Govern-
ment fur good intentions, he should be obliged t' vote
for motion of the Noble Lord (Naas.)
Mr. SADLEIEt said the estates sold under the Com-
mission were involved long before the famine or the
adoption of free trade, and the greater part of them
could not be sold at all under the Court of Chancery.
It was objected that this Bill would be injurious to af-
ford facilities to purchasers to raise money on the es-
tates they might propose to buy. The same power was
every day granted to railway companies to borrow
money to the extent of one-third of their value, and he
regarded this as a great advantage. The fact was that
as yet no such bargains were obtained through purchases
made under the Commission. The Irish titles, speaking
generally, were not marketable, except through the me-
dium of the Encumbered Estates Commission. Irish
Members should urge the appointment of a second
Commission, with the view of enablingiall Irish proprie-
tors to prove their titles, and through the Commission
have a Parliamentary title. The purchaser of land
under the Encumbered Estates Act obtained a Parlia-
mentary title, and going into the market to sell that
land, those proprietors who had not such a title could
could not compete with him. He therefore wished all
Irish proprietors to have that title.
The O'GORMAN MAHON said that he concurred in
the suggestions of the. Hon. Member who had just sat
down. The concurrent testimony of the parties inte-
rested in this Bill approved of its provisions, and were
anxious to have them brought into immediate operation.
There had been no petitions against this Bill, and the
landed gentry generally were in favour of the Bill.
It was deemed to be a boon, and the sooner it was
bestowed the greater would be their feeling of grati-
tude.—(Hear. hear.)
Mr. H. HERBERT said that the principle of the Bill
should be extended to unencumbered as well as encum-
bered estates in Ireland.—(Hear.) Not to do that would
be to inflict a great hardship on a most deserving class
in that country, namely, on those who had paid the
greatest attention to their estates, with a view to their
improvement. Unless that was done, they would pre-
vent them from raising a shilling of money for the fur-
ther improvement of their estates. If that boon were
not conceded, those landed proprietors who had paid at-
tention to the improvement of their estates would be
worse off than others who had pursued an opposite
course. He could not raise money in the market on the
security of his estate with anything like the facility
enjoyed now by those persons who came under the En-
cumbered Estates Commission. Unless that suggestion
was adopted, he should be compelled to support the
amendment. .

Major BLACKALL said he regretted the conclusion
to which his Hon. Friend (Mr. Herbert) bad arrived.
He did not think that a good Bill should be rejected be-
cause it did not embrace everything—because it did not
include all the proprietors in Ireland. He should, there-
fore, give his support to the Bill.
Mr. GROGAN felt it to be his duty to oppose this
Bill, because he knew that land worth 41 per cent. was
actually sold for 9i per cent. ; and he, therefore, asked
the House could such a Bill be supported by any unpre-
judiced Member?
Mr, S. WORTLEY said that, if he were an Irishman,
he should feel that much satisfaction was effected by
such a Bill as this, and that the facility of sale was
greatly advanced, particularly when no less than
500,0001. had been advanced in the case of sale of pro-
perty. He then entered into details to show that very
great facility would be afforded by this Bill to increase
competition, and to reduce the system of monopoly in
the purchase of land.—(Hear, bear.)
Colonel DUNNE said that all the measures that had
been brought in on this and similar subjects had been
total failures, and therefore he could not concur i❑ this
measure, which be felt assured, from previous circum-
stances, would be very prejudicial to that country.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading ... ... 186
Against it ... 41
Majority ... —145
The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on Monday.
Colonel DUNNE gave notice that on going into
Committee on the Bill he would move that the same pri-
vileges granted to purchasers should be extended to
owners.—(Hear.)
NAVAL PRIZE BALANCE BILL.

The House then went into Committee on the Naval
Prize Balance Bill.
Captain HARRIS objected to the Bill as rendering
the prize money more difficult of recovery by sailors.
Sir F. BARING said that the Bill would have no
such effect.
Captain HARRIS thought it would, and moved that
the Bill be considered that day six months.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
Fur the motion ... ... 70
Against it ... ... ... ••• 5
Majority ... ... —65
The Bill then passed through Committee.
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES.
Mr. SOTHERON obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to amend and consolidate the laws relating to friendly
societies; and the Bill was subsequently read a first time.
The House adjourned at One o'clock.

RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS.
BRISTOL. APRIL 25.

STOCK EXCHANGE.—The market was rather firmer to-day,
and prices had a slight tendency upwards. The sales
were principally confined to Great Western Quarter Shares,
which closed at 129-16—London and North-Western, 103
Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth, 81,E—Taff Vale, New, 1,4 p.

PARLIAMENTARY DIV [SION S.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House r f Comnunrrs•)
THURSDAY, APRIL 25.
AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL.
(IN THE COMMITTEE.)
Clause 30 ( Power to establish a General Assembly for the
Australian Colonies) :—Motion made, and Question put,
" That the Clause, as amexded, stand part of the Bill." The
Committee divided :

MAJORITY-AYES, f 3.
Adair, It. A. French, F. Russell, Lord J.
Anson, Colonel Gibson, T. M. Rutherford, A.
Armstrong, Sir A. Hatchell, John Saiwey, Colonel
Baines, 31. T. Hawes, Benjamin Seymour, Lord
Baring, Sir F. Ilervey, Lord A. Shafto, R. D.
Barnard, E. G. Hobhouse, Sir John Sheil, R. L.
Barrington, Viscount Hobhouse, T. B. Smith, John B.
Blackall, S. W. Howard. P. H. Somers, J. P.
Bright, John Hume, J. Somerville. Sir W.
Brotherton, J. Humphery, Ald. Stanton, W. H.
Brown, W. Labouchere, Henry Strickland, Sir G.
Busfeild, W. Lascelles, W. S. Thompson, Colonel
Carter, John B. Lewis, George C. Thornely, T.
Chatterton, Colonel Loveden, Pryse Trelawity, J. S.
Cowper, W. F. Mackie, John Tuthell, Henry
Craig, Sir W. G. 3PGregor, John Verney Sir 11.
Denison, J. E. .31`Taggart, Sir J. Vivian, J. H.
Iluncuft, John Maule, Fox Williamson, Sir 11.
Hondas, Sir Darid Morison, Sir W. Wilson, James
Ebrington, Viscount Owen, Sir John TELLERS.
Ellis, John Romilly, Sir John Hill, Lard Marcus
Fordyce, A. D. ltumbold, C. E. Bellew, R. 31.

MINORITY—NOES. le.
Balllie, 11. J. Hamilton, G. A. Wyld, James
Baldwin, Barry Manners, Lord J.
Bernard, Viscount Naas, Lord TELLEIII.
Best, John Smith, Vernon Molesworth, Sir W.
Campbell, W. F. Adderley, C. B.

SECURITIES FOR ADVANCES (IRELAND) BILL.
Order read for resuming adjourned Debate on Question
(15th April), "That the Bill be now read a second time:"—
Question again proposed; Debate resumed : —Amendment
proposed to leave out the word " now," and at the end of
the Question to add the words " upon this day six months :"
—Question put, " That the word ' now' stand part of the
Question." The House divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, IE6.
Abdy. Sir T. N. Frewen, C. 11. Norreys, Lord
Acland, Sir T. D. Grace, 0. D. O'Connell, Maurice
Anstey, T. C. Graham, Sir James O'Flaherty, Anthony
Archdall, Captain. Greenall, Gilbert Ogle, S. C.
Armstrong, Sir A. Greene, John Osborne, Ralph
Arundel, Earl of Grenfell, Charles W. Paget,;Lord A.
Bagshaw, John Grey, Sir George Palmerston, Vis.
Baines, M. T. Grey, R. W. Parker, John
Baring, Sir F. T. Grogan, Edward Patten, J. W.
Barnard, E. G. Grosvenor, Earl Perfect, R.
Barrington, Lord Hallyburton, Lord J. Plowden, W. 11.
Bass, Thomas Hanmer, Sir John Power, Dr.
Bellew, ft. M. Hardcastle, J. A. Powlett. Lord IW.
Berkeley, Henry F. Harris, Richard Pusey, P.
Berkeley, C. L. G. Hastie, Archibald Rawdon, Colonel
Birch, Sir Thomas Hatchell, John Ricardo, Osman
Blackall, S. W. Hayter, W. G. Rice, E.. R.
Blake, M. J. Headlam, Thomas Rich, Henry
Bouverle, E. P. Heald, James Robartes, T. J.
Boyle, Colonel Heathcoat, John Romilly, Colonel
Brockman, E. D. Hervey, Lord A. Romilly, Sir John
Brooke, Sir A. Hobhouso, Sir J. Rumbold, C. E.
Brotherton, Joseph Hobhouse, T. B. Russell, Lord I.
Brown, W. Bodges, T. T. Russell, E.
Browne, R. D. Holland, Robert Russell, F. C.
Campbell, W. F. Howard,lE. G. Rutherfurd, A.
Carter, J. B. Howard, P. H. Sadleir,yohn
Cavendish, C. C. Howard, Sir R. Salwey, Colonel
Cavendish, G. H. Hughes, W. B. Sandars, Joseph
Cavendish, W. G. Jervis, Sir John Scholeffeld, William
Chichester, Lord J. Jocelyn, Viscount Scrope, G. P.
Childers, J. W. Johnstone, Sir J. Scully, Francis
Cholmeley, Sir M. Keating, Robert Seymer, H. K.
Clay, James Keogh, William Simeon, John
Clay, Sir W. Kershaw, James Slaney, Robert A.
Clements, Charles Kildare, Marquis Smith, J. A.
Cockburn, A. J. King, P. J. Somerville, Sir W.
Coke, Edward K. Labouchere, Henry Sotheron, T.
Corbally, M. E. Lewis, G. C. Stafford, Augustin!
Corry, H. Lindsay, Colonel Stanton, W. S.
Cowper, W. F. Littleton, E. R. Stuart, H.
Craig, Sir W. G. Loveden, Pryse Talbot, C. B.
Crowder, R. B. Mackie, John Talbot, J. H.
Dalrymple, Captain M'Naghten, Sir E. Tenison, E. K.
Dawson, T. V. M'Cullagh, W. T. Thicknesse, Ralph
Devereux, John T. 3l'Taggart, Sir J. Thompson, Colonel
Douglas, Sir C. Meagher, Thomas Thornely, T.
Duff, George S. Mahon, O'Gorman Townley, R. G.
Duff, James Mangles, R. D. Trelawny, J. S.
Duncan, Lord Marshall, William Tufnell. H.
Duncuft, John Martin, Samuel Vane, Lord H.
Dundas, Admiral Matheson, J. Verney, Sir 11.
Dundas, Sir David Matheson, Colonel Villiers, Viscount
Ebrington, Lord Maule, Fox Vivian, J. H.
Ellis, John Miles, P. W. S. Watkins, Colonel
Evans, William Milner, W. M. Williamson, Sir H.
Fagan, William Mitchell, T. A. Wilson, James
Foley, John H. Monsell, William Wood, W. P.
Foley, J. H. Moore, G. H. Wortley, J. S.
Forster, M. Morgan, H. K. Young, Sir John
Fortescue, Chichester Morris, David Tiiii.xsa.
Fortescue, J. W. Mostyn, E. Hill, Lord Marcus
Freestun, Colonel Mulgrave, Earl Howard, Lord E.

MINORITY—NOES, 41.
Baillie, H. J. Edwards, Henry Maxwell, Hon. J. P.
tialdock, E. IL Farnham, E. B. Meux, Sir H.
Bennet, P. Ferrer, James Newport, Viscount
Beresford, William Ferguson, Sir E. Stanley, Edward
Bernard, Viscount Filmer, Sir E. Stanley, E. 11.
Best, John French, F. Stuart, J.
Blackstone, W. Gore, W. It. 0. Sturt, Henry G.
Booth, Sir IL G. Gwyn, Howol Tyrell, Sir J.
Christy, Samuel rialsey, T. I'. Verner, Sir W.
Cole, Hon. H. A. Hamilton, G. A. Villiers, F. W.
Coles, H. IL Hodgson, W. N. Walsh, Sir J.
Conolly, Thomas Hernby, John
Disraeli, B. Hudson, George TELLERS.
Dodd, G. Jones, Captain Naas, Lord
Dunne, Colonel Mackenzie, W. F. Herbert, H. A.

NAVAL PRIZE BALANCE BILL.
(IN THE COMMITTEE.)
Bill read a first time :—Motion made, and Question put,
" That the Bill be read a second time, paragraph by para-
graph." The Committee divided :
MAJORITY—AYES, 70.

MINORITY-NOES, 5.
Bennet, Philip Hodgson, W. N. TELLER/.
Grogan, E. Hornby, John Harris, Captain
Gwyn, Howel Stuart, John