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LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 261 1850

and assistant to Mr. Ellis, collector of the
Chelsea Water Company, the latter cif whom subse-
quently paid it in at the Bank of England, when the
forgery was detected. Information was given to the
police, and the prisoner, whose, statement about sell-
ing the houses was denied, was apprehended on Sa-
turday week in a state of drunkenness. On the fol-
lowing Monday morning he gave a different account
of the means by which he had become possessed of
the forged note, by stating that be had received it for
some work he bad done.
Mr. BRODERIP said it was his duty to commit him
for trial.
Mr. Cumming, an inspector of the B division, re-
quested that the prisoner might be agaia brought up,
to afford an opportunity of exhibiting a charge against
him for obtaining 301. or 401. worth of bricks under
false pretences.
Mr. BRODERIP assented, and the witnesses having
been bound over to prosecute on the charge of utter-
ing, the prisoner was further remanded for a week.
Martha Diamond Needham was charge .l with
felony under circumstances exhibiting the basest in•
gratitude.
The prisoner entered the service of Mr. John
Leete, a tradesman residing at 143, Sloane-street, in
September last but had not been there long when it
was discovered that she had pledged plate, linen, and
other articles of considerable value. Upon the rob-
bery being discovered the prisoner entreated mercy,
and alleged as an excuse for her dishonesty that she
had been driven to the commission at the instigation
of a disreputable person to release herself from some
pecuniary liabilities under which she laboured at the
time of entering Mr. Leete's service. Prosecutor
having instituted inquiries, and being induced to be-
lieve that her statement was true, not only forgave
her and redeemed the numerous articles she
had disposed of, but, feeling that she was the
victim of circumstances, and hearing that her con-
nexions were respectable, generously gave her a suf-
ficient sum to purchase necessary articles of clothing,
of which she was destitute ; and upon her solemn
promise that she would abandon the parties who had
instigated her to commit the offence, and would so
conduct herself in future as to retrieve her character,
he continued her in his service until Saturday week,
when he found it necessary to discharge her, as he
detected her secreting one of her visitors in a closet.
It was subsequently ascertained that the apprentice's
watch was missing ; and George Temsley, an active
officer of the B division, having apprehended the ac-
icused on. Sunday morning, she denied having stolen
the watch, but the duplicate of it was found in her
possession, when she pretended the apprentice had
given her permission to pawn it. The duplicate re-
lating to a silver spoon, belonging to Mr. Leete,
which the prisoner had pledged, was also found in her
possession.
The accused, a middle-aged woman, who did not
appear to exhibit the slightest contrition at her base
ingratitude, was committed to Newgate for trial on
both charges, Mr. Broderip remarking that she had
made a most ungrateful return for the mercy and
kindness with which she had been treated.
LAMBETH.

Patrick Riley, a middle• aged man, was charged
before Mr. Elliott with having caused the death of
John Boyle.
From the evidence it appearel that on the night
before, the prisoner and the deceased, who were
fellow workmen at the foundry of the Messrs.
Meudslay, were out together, and when about part
ing in Francis-street, close to their residence, a
quarrel ensued, upon- which the deceased threw off
his coat and struck the prisoner twice. The prisoner
gave the deceased one blow, upon which they were
parted, and some friends were assisting the deceased
to his residence, when he suddenly fell into the arms
cf one of them and instantly expired.
A certificate from M-. Wagstaff, the parish sur-
geor, went to show that there was the mark of a
severe blow behind one of the ears of the de-
ceased, but whether this was the cause of death
could not be ascertained without a post mortem ex-
amination.
The prisoner was remanded until Wednesday.
Mr. Thomas Byworth, a watch and clock maker in
the Bridge-road, Lambeth, was charged on suspicion
with stealing a great coat lined with sable, and of
the value of 301., the property of Mr. Crisp, a tailor
in Regent-street.
Mr. James appeared on behalf of the prisoner.
In this case it appeared by the evidence that on the
-4th instant the coat in question was stolen from off a
" dummy "in the shop lobby of Mr. Crisp, and was
ultimately sold to a young man for 41. 10s. The
purchaser took it to a public-house in the vicinity of
Regent- street, for the purpose of putting it up to
raffle, and, singular to say, the very first person soli-
cited to become a member to the raffle was the fore-
man of Mr. Crisp.
The prisoner, in defence, said he had taken the coat
in exchange for a watch and chain, from a person of
the name of Benj Amin.
The prisoner was remanded, but the magistrate
consented to take bail.
SOUTHWARK.

Thomas White, a respectable Joking man, but evi-
dently labouring under severe indisposition, was
brought up in custody by the chief-constable of
G-ainsborougb, and placed at the bar before Mr.
A'Beckett, cherged with forging a cheque for 371.
on the Southwark branch of the London and West-
minster Bank, and purporting to be in the hand-
writing of Mr. William Gover, of Holly-terrace,
Highgate.
Mr. Mullins, of the firm of Bush and Mullins, soli-
citors to the London Bankers' Association, attended
for the prosecution.
Mr. William Gover stated that in 1848 he was
chairman of the board of guardians of St. Mary,
Newington, and resided then in that parish. That
early in the month of January in that year he en-
gaged the prisoner as his clerk, and that be left him
in the latter part of the same month. T'ne cheque,
purporting to be in his handwriting, was here shown,
to witness, and, on examining it, he said that the sig-
nature was so like his own handwriting that he would
not undertake to swear that it was a forgery. The
writing in the body of the cheque, however, was not
his handwriting, 4nd he believed it to be that of the
prisoner. The blank cheque must have been procured
from his book before it was filled up, but how that
was contrived he was at a lois to tell. The cheque in
question was made payable to a Mr. Wheeler, but he
(witness) never had any transactions with such a
person, and when he subsequently was shown the
cheque at the London and Westminster Bank he dis-

covered it to be a forgery.
Mr. Benjamin Chenie stated that he was chief-
constable of Gainsborougb, and that on the 19th inst.,
as he was walking along the principal street in that
town, the prisoner came up to him, and addressing
him, asked him if he was not the superintendent of
the police. The answer being in the affirmative, the
prisoner then said, "I give myself into your charge
for having committed a forgery on the London
and Westminster Bank, in the name of Mr. Gover,
for 371." The witness added that upon the
prisoner's voluntary confession of the offence, he
accordingly took him before Mr. Smith, the
"magiztrate, to whom he made a statement to the fol-
lowing effect, which was taken down in writing.
The document was produced arAl read. It ran thus :
" I, Tnomas White, in the month of January, 1848,
was in the employ of Mr. Guyer, chairman of the
board of guardians of St. Mary, Newington. I left
his service in the latter part of the same month, and
on the 31st of March following I wrote a cheque on
the Southwark Branch of the London and West-
minster Rink for 371., and forged the name of Mr.
Gover. On the 22d of April I presented the cheque
at the said bank, and was paid in three 101. Bank of
England notes, and seven sovereigns. I left Lon-
don two days afterwards, and have been wandering
about the country ever since an outcast from all so-
ciety. I delivered myself up voluntarily to Mr.
Superintendent Chenie Signed, T. White."
At the conclusion of the evidence the prisoner was
asked if he wished to put any questions; he replied
that he had none to ask, but merely to verify the
truth of the statement that he had already made.
The prisoner was then committed; and Mr. Bush
subsequently made an application that the prisoner
might be placed in the infirmary of the gaol, owing
to illness, until the morning of the sessions at the
Central Criminal Court, at which he will be tried.
Mr. A.TECKETT at once assented to the application,
and gave directions that the prisoner should be I
attended to and hive the requisite medical advice he
seemed to stand so much in need of.

Upon the paper of business for the next Court of
Common Council is the following notice of motion by
Mr. Deputy Lott, Fellow cf the Society of Arts :
" That this Court do subscribe the sum of 1,0001. to-
wards the Exhibition of the Works of Industry of all
Nations in the year 1851." Some discussion took place
a chart time ago in the court on this :subject, but an ad-
journment took plalr. It is expected that the whole
am,;unt will be voted at the next meeting.
GREAT PUBLIC CEMETERY AT ABBEY-WOOD.—
It has been known for bum time past that a public ce-
metery was about to be made to the extent, in the fie,:
instance, cf 400 acres, at Abbey-wood, a beautiful spot
on the south bank of the river Thames, between Wo)l-
-wich and Eritb, The spot is very near the Abbey-
wood station, on the North Kent line of the South-
East-rn Railway and about thirty-five minutes' distance
from London-bridge. When the examination of the
reason considered
to to
subp(3.oo%r ai t
ts privatethe
company,
ground toobkutpulsocwe
place recommended, although not rained in the report of
the Board of Health.
there e wreas

SAILOR'S CRITICISM ON MR. CAREW'S SCULP-
TURE.--We heard an old sailor, who served with Nelson,
take two tcchnical objections the other day to Mr. Ca.
rew's very able work, which may be worli inquiry.
First, he pronounced against the possibiliiy cf a spar
coming into the position of that shown in the sculpture;
and secondly, as to the negro with a musket in his
hands, that no black in that ship was pet milted to use
&Fe-arma,—Buildcr.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 25.
The LIRD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.
The E:rl of LANESBOBOUGH presented To itions
from teveral places in Ireland against the system of ra-
tional edueat'on.
Tha Earl of GRANVILLE presented a petition from
Derby in favour of the Bill I galisiog marriage with a
deceased Gist T.
The Bishop of CHICHESTER gave notice tha'. he
should to morrow present a petition from a mre•ing
LOA Rooms against the management clauses
of the Committee of Privy Council on National Edu-
cation.

Cardiff Waterworlts.
Dublin, Dundrum, and Rathrarnham Railway (Exten-
sion or Revival of Powers for the Purchase of Lands
and Completion of Work 9, Amendment or Repeal of
Acts).
Ew:tern Union Railway.
Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardrossan Railway (No. 1).
Killarney Junction Railway.
14,mmington Priors Pavirir.
e:pocl Corporation Waterworks (Abandonment of
Work“, Stn.)
Lii e;pool Corporation Waterworks (Extension of Time
fir Purchase of Land, &c.)
London (Ci:y) Improvements.
Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland.
North Staffordshire and Manchester, Sheffield and Lin-
colnshire Railways Junction.
OxFt.rd, Worcester, and Wolverhampton, Birmingham
and Oxford Junction, and Great Western Railway
Companies.
Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway.
Peterborough Improvement, Police, and Cemetery, 841.
Pontypridd Gas Light and Coke omrany.
River Doe Conservancy and Improvement.
Timber Preserving Company.
West Cornwall Railway
Westminster Improvements.

Colonel It AWDON said the Bill was precisely the
tame as the one of last year, and, considering the
rapidity with which the Habeas Corpus Suspension
Bill, which suspended the entire constitution of Ireland,
was passel he thought the House ought not to di lay
this Bill, which Ireland had been waiting far at least
nine years.
Lord CLAUD HAMILTON said if the Bill were
xtetly the same as that of lest year, of course there
would be no objection to going on with it at once, but
he very much doubted whether Government would give
an assurance of that sort. The Bill, in fact, was al.
most new from beginning to end, and he
could nct consent to the proposal of Government until
he had had an opportunity of consulting his constituents
on the subject.
Mr. REYNOLDS was glad to hear the Hon. Member
fir Buckinghamshire say that he was disposed to look
upon any proposition rega -ding the Irish franchise with
some liberality, but he used a phrase which he (Mr.
Reynolds) should wish to have translated, and no one was
better able to do so than the Honourable Member
himself. He should be glad to know what the
Honourable Member meant by " artificial franchise."
The Member fir Tyrone asked the House to postpone
this (pestle:l until the Irish assizes had terminated.
Why, my Lord.—(This novel mode of addressing the 1
Speaker elicited shouts cf laughter.) I almost regret,
Sir, that you ate not a lord.—(Renewed 'laughter.)
The Noble Lord the MemLe for Tyrone (continued
Mr. Reynolds) asked the House to put off this
question until after the Irish assizes were over.
He (Mr. Reynolds) wondered the Noble Lord did
aot ask the Speaker to adjourn the House for his accom-
modatior.—(Laughter.) The Noble Lord appeared to
forget that on the recent division on the motion of the
[lon. Member f 13uckieghamshire, seventy Dish Mem-
bers recorded their votes. Now he (Mr. Reynolds)
would like to, know at what period of their Parliamentary
existence, unless there was some great job te be
carried, there was a greater muster of Irish Members.
—(Roars of laughter.) This Bill, or at hint something
like it, had now been three years before the House; and he
hoped bis Right Hon. Friend (Sir William Somerville)
would have the firmness to resist the present application
for postponement.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE would be sorry to do any-
thing to inconvenience Hon. Gentlemen ; but this Bill
had now been before the House for three years—
(Hear, hear)—and he wanted to know what portion of
the Irish Members he was to consult with reference to
this Bill.
Mr. HERRIES said that there could be no comparison
instituted betneen this Bill and the Suspension of the
HaLees Corpus Act. Then there was an argent neces-
sity, bat now there was no such thing. He thought the
Noble Lord would be misadritel if he attempted to per-
severe in this Bill at present.
Sir G. GREY thought the opinion of the majority c f
Irish Members had been already taken on this qs estion.
It had been clearly understood that the Bill should be
brought ban.° the House as on this evening.—(Efear
hear.) The Noble Lord and the Hon. Member
surety would not wish to postpone it for six weeks, when
it could not possibly be carried up to the Home of
Lords.—(Hear, hear.) In this Hone the principle had
received full consideration, hut it had never been before
the Peers, and trusted therefore that no farther objection
to the discussion would be interposed.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. NAPIER said there were two points in the Bill,
one directing the registration, the other the qualification,
and as the latter part might greatly affect the te its
of Member-, he should have felt it to be bis duty to have
moved a pottpoeement of the debate if no other Member
did. This Bill was certainly read during the last year; but
believing that the Government had no serious intention
f then passing it, few Members considered its details;
and he did thick it etsange that a Bill which was only
read a secord time on Friday, should go through Com-
mittee to-night, and thus preclude any Member giving
notice of amendments which I e might have thought
necessary. If they went into Committee he should feel
it his duty to propose a nendmeries to nearly every
&aese, bdt lie I al had no opportunity of giving the neces-
sary notices.—(llear.) Ile trusted, as it mattered not
whether the Bill passed now or a month hence, that the
Government would consent to postpone it.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SADLEIR denied that the majority of the frith
Members ware anxious for delay, and unhesitatingly de-
clared that the vast majority of the Irish people were de-
sirous that there should be no unnecessary delay in re-
ference to the consideration and passing of the measure.
The constituency of Tipperary, although the inhabitants
numbered 500,000, consisted of only 400, and arty
attempt at a general election in that county, befoee the
passing of some measure of this sort, would be at:ended
with tl e most disastrous consequences. He hoped,
therefore, Government would push on this Bill without
delay.
Lard JOHi MANNERS con'ended that Ireland
ought to have an opportunity of knowing what the de-
tails of the measure were; and he, for one, must object
to going on with the Bill now. The Noble Lord care-
eluded by moving that the Bill be committed this day
three weeks.
Mr. FOX (Longford) said this Bill was not so new
to the people of Ireland, for all the workhouses in Ireland
had been ransacked for materials on which to settle the
amount of the franchise.—(A laugh.) He had no fear
that any injury could be inflicted on the landlord class
in Ireland by the Bill being discussed at once.
Colonel DUNNE objected to the Bill being carried
forward at a time when Irish Members would be absent.
After a few words from Mr. SCULLY and Mr. NAPIER,
Mr. 11. GRATTAN very much, feared there was
a snake ie the grass somewhere.—(La.ughter.) Whether
it came from the county of Buck irghamhe should not say.
—(Laughter.) Surely 73 liish Members were sufli-
cii nt to decide the question.—(Loud cries of
" Divide.") He then referred to the long list of
Irish legislation for this night, and said it was not
to be expected that they would get through it.
The last, as he said, was the Payment (Ireland) in Cur-
rent Coin of the Realm Bill. Lord Morpedi had intro-
duced a Bill for this purpose in 1841, and it had been
all this time under discussion, so that there was no pro-
bability of a speedy conclusion.—(Cries of " Divide,
divide.")
The House then divided, when there appeared—.
For the motion
Against it ll5
Majority
Mr.DISRAE LI, on our entering the gallery, was ad •
dressing the House. He said he thought the division
which bad taken place completely justified the course
which they (the Opposition) had adopted, and be hoped
the Noble Lord would yet consider what appeared
to him to be the propriety of their suggestions. The
Ministers we'l knew that the great majority of the
Irish Members must be absent.—("No," and "Hear.';
Ho understood that the House was not to go into Com-
mittee on the Bill till after the Circuits.
Lord J. RUSSELL had stated on a previous night
what his intentions were.—(Cheers.)
Mr. DISRAELI—Yee ; it was stated at the end of
the evening, when there nese not 30 Members present,
25 cf whom it was well known were asleep.—(Laugh-
ter and hear.) He considered the minority quite jus-
tified in the course they had taken. It was not agree-
able to him to sanction such a course ; but it was
sometimes a duty not only to sanction but to persist in
it.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord could not deny that
at the commencement of the Irish assizes ho bad pro-
duced a bill of fare, with one exception, consisting of
Irish measures. It was not agreeable to oppose the
Government under these circumstances, but if the
Noble Lord would not consent to the suggestion thrown
out, he should oppose the Speaker's leaving the chair.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that thin Bill had been before
the House fur two sessions, and he did not see
why they should not go into Committee upon it imme-
diately. Ho was sorry that the Lion. Member should
have stated that it was his intention to obstruct the further
proceeding of the Bill. He had, no doubt, received his
instructions elsewhere to do so, but let his obstructions
be whatever they might he was determined to proceed
with this Bill, which would have the effect of extending
the franchise in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.)
Af.er some observations from Mr. Reynolds, Viscount
Curt:ereagh, and Mr. Goulburn, the Mute then di-
vided upon the motion that the Speaker do now leave
the chair, when there appeared—
. For the motion ... ••• ... 193
Against it ... 93
Majority... ••• ..• ••• ----- 100
On our admission to the gallery we found the house
in Committee on the Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
On clause I,
Mr. DISRAELI said—The Noble Lord appears to
cemplain very much of the course I have t ilcsn, and ac-
cuses me of obstructing the public business. The Noble
Lard referred to a passage in which the word obstruc-
tion was used, but did not finish the sentence. The per-
son who used the word said that " he was ready, and
thought it right, to obstruct all measures that were in-
jerious to the constitution of the country."—(Hear.)
In my opinion that was a very legitimate description of
the duty of a Member of Parliament. But what is the
obstruction which on the present occasion we presume
to offer? The Noble Lord says that this Bill was
brought in, and therefore we ought to be well acquainted
with it, and that one ef the reasons why a Whig Go-
vernment introduces measures without any intention of
carrying them, is to give Hon. Members an opportunity
of being masters of the subject in the following year.—
Wear, and laughter.) That shows a confidence in the
duration of cabinets which only a Whig Minister could
entertain. —(Laughter.) The Noble Lord was also
pleased to sat' that I have received my instructions else-
where.--(Hoar.) That is not, let me remark, a very
constitutional or a very courteous mode of expression.—
Olean) The Noble Lord, indeed, has in the course of
his political career, received instructions how to conduct
himself in Parliament feom many placer.—(Hear, hear.)
Bat the Noble Lord cannot say of ma or my friends that
wo have ever received inspirations how to conduct our-
selves in this House by consulting seditious elute!.
—(Opposition cheers.) The Noble Lord on this
occasion has acted in a manner quite unworthy
of himself.—(Cheers.) Net only has he charged us
with obstructing the business of this House, but most
unwarrantably insinuates that we are guilty of factious
proceedings.—(Cbeers and counter cheers.) The Noble
Lord is the last parson from whom such a charge should
have come.—(Bear, hear.) Did not the Noble Lord
bring forward a proposition in this House, on which he
made tie late of an Administration depend—upon the
appropriation clause?—(Hear, heat.) And yet the
Noble Lord, when he took ORM in consequence, had
r e't ler the consistency nor the courage to carry out his
own policy.—(Cheers.) For my part, although I should
have been ready to listen with respect to tho opinion of
the Noble Lord on this occasion, I shall net be deterred
from the course which it is my duty to take by tiny
speech such as that which the Noble Lord has just
made.—(Cheery'.) This is a measure of immense im-
portarce.—(llear" from the Ministerial side.) If it be
a m; attire of immense importance, it ought not to be
shufflel through the House. The Government hai e no
right to appeal, as the only source from which we can
derive information of the Bill, to the measure which they
brought forward last year, without any intention of •

carry ing hear.) That 13:11 was similar, but
-
not exactly similar, to that now before us. In my 00'
nion there has never been a fairer or a more constiLic:
tion..l apr cal than-that made by the Noble Lord on this
(Cheers.) It 1)11,3 been met in a spirit of haughty
instlenoc.—(Opposition cheers, Rnd dissent from the
ether side.) For my part, I shall aval myself (f ever):
form the House permits of opposing the uresent Prc
gress of this Bill. I therefore trove, Sir, that you report
progress, and ask have to sit again.—(Loud cheers.)
the Committee then divided, when there sppeared--•
For reporting progress ... • • 81
Again it... 191
Majority
On the gallery being re-opened,
Mr. FO[ S said he felt it to be his duty to ro°ll
R
that the Chairman leave the choir. He could not help
by the
expressing his surprise at the course pursued
been
Government. The Bill of last year had never
pressed on their attention, and the present Bill had been
read a second time only or. Friday last. He should
not
be doing his duty if he did not resist the tyrannio'
coerce of the Government.
Captain BATESON approved of the int .r.tion of the,
Hon. Member for Stirling shire. It was most unusual
arid indecent -0 press a Bill with such baste through Os
Il_use. The argument fir postponing Bill had been ucci
answered. lie thought that the Government were alarTieol
at the division of Thursday last, aad felt that the
which they worshipped—free-trade—was in jeoPar"3.--e
(Hear, hear.) Ile had alwas been, and gill 109,..
supporter of the union between the two countries; Id
the conduct of tho Government on this occasion sou t
be used by many as a rea:on for the repeal of the
union.—(Her.;)
Mr. HENLEY did not think the Noble Lord opPosite
could advance any one instance as an !answer to the Dlr.
answerable argument of the lion. Member for the irsit,
versity of Dublin. Ho thought he might safely dee
the Noble Lord to adduce any instance of a Bill
~,fstuecel
been pr--s
importance end length of the present having
forward from the second reading on a Friday to C°lll4
nepers.
mitten on Monday, and that without notice.—(,Thho
and cries of " No.") It was the more indecent, s! `„
Member best qualified to suggest amendments had
dared that the course taken by the Government had
.c:
prived him of the opportunity of putting to the rotedten;
amendments he wished to propose. Unless a prece
could he shown fir the course taken he should feel jots;
tified in availing himself of the forms of the lieu°
stay procedure on the Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
s
Mr. P. WOOD thought it right that the collar!
should know the nature of the measure and the tour
taken by the other side. The rumsute had been Ile -
the consLeration of Parliament for no less than three

years.
An Baer. MEMBER—Fifteen yeare. ) 110
Mr. P. WOOD-For fifteen year2„-(A
beau
meant that the identical measure had „aloud
three years before there.-(lfear, hear.) In a`-',.pieeo
the constituency had been reduced, by 11,1'°:- of
mief ,rtunes, to about 140,000 iu
a';out 8,000,000. It was propeeed by this 13.11 to ext,el.,
the franchise so far as to increase the number of Yest'...,
to 250,000.- (Rear, hem.) A good deal a nee °ail;
machinery would be put in operation by this Bill;here
first step must 1 e taken in June rest, otherwise „ea,
would be no constituency in November. The last of it
population.
_uci
assizes would not terminate till the 10th of April, 0.1.7„,
was quite clear that unless this measure was passtudis.
fore the middle of May the Irish
people would be,
the
franchised for another 3 ear. At present 75 out
sk
105 Mczaters for Ireland were in attendance. 11°-ble
the Muse to postpone the Committee in order to ensr
gentlemen opposite to keep the measure Pcadingyh he
another year, was a course prop: enough for 11" e
une
resisted every f extension of the suffrage, but it was the
which he hoeed the Government wouid resist to
utreest.- (Hear, hear.) e
Mr. MILES was astonished at the observations cape
Hon. Member fez. Oxford who had just set down' red
e (said suppose front the remarks of the Hon. ari toeyex..
Mernh,; tit they on that side were opposedll and
tension of the franchise.-(llear.) The Liar'
Learned Member for the University of Dublin had 7 trill
barely stated that though there were parts of th
letting to the franchise to which he had sow;.itte
t:ons, he conceded the registration parts, and rierni ts
that the constituency of Ireland Wl3 net to
bed
satisfactory state.-(llcas.) If they on that ski" diey
cpposod the priec'ple of altering the ft alebiad ateg.
would have taken a division on the rea .4 to
they had taken no such division, thereby leadinge.
be inferred that in their opinion the franchise of ir: bed
lbn
required to be anerided.-(Hear.) Ho was astonils ot
the Noble Lord et the head of the Government ha" 0%.
yielded to the reque,t made for delay. It was a "tale
able delay, and the division might have shown th
Lord that there were many in the minority who us° vs
supported the Government who seemed to think so•
urn.
trusted if the Nable Lord did not consent to an &dingo,
meat of the question in order to give time for the
Members to consult with their constituents, that its
minority would use all those means which it has a tea-
command to resist being bound hand and foot by,
jority.-(Cheers.)
ioniser
Mr. .11. J. O'CONNELL thought the Hon. "a dare;
fur Semersetshire had advised a course f proceed
or
which no one ever came out cf with either sneaes this
credit.-(llear.) Ile had come down to attend t"irio
Bill, and did not think that it was the first duty cr bad
Members to attend assizes.-Hear, hear.) Thel (.os'
already wasted two hours in fruitless o's-sid
sion. He was quite sure the Government w°so
postpone any clause upon which the Ilse. Noble
wished d Member for the University of ''ssiohle
wished to move amendments.-e. oh !,,) The -0,03-
Lar 1 the Mernaer for Tyrone wished to delay tbe -etst
mittee cut of dcferenee to the opinion of his coostitude
it
but he thought it strange the Noble Lord shout aa.a
have consulted his constituents upan the tneat'Sot
when it was brought forward last year. Parlialpeal to
forms would not allow him to refer more particolariet
the coarse pursued by lion. Gentlemen opppsite.anee,
they all knew well enough that it was a new.' e t
that a new compact and alliance had taken plaeev_ ':nn t isr
Lichfield House, perhaps, but at some place ""
from it.-(Hear. hear.) th 4
Lord C. HAMILTON thought it was strange la
oo
Hon. Members representing large constituencies sh
object to an Hon, Ments: wishing to consult bid coPee-
stituents with regard to an important measure Par anti
larly affecting them. lie had the same right asp
metropolitan Member to consult his constituents, ttilibaere
it was not so easy a matter for him to do it. the
were other.ways of accounting for the opposition t° by
manner in which the Bill was passed than that taltelins
the lion. Mernbsr for Kerry, who saw in that oplviaue 0
what he called a "Lew move." This Bill would rgabeell
great alteration of the Reform Act, and yet it had been
printed on Wednesday, read a second irate day
Friday, and set down for Committee on the 3/°
following. Was there ever such indecent hest„ •
oa
(Hear.) He defied the Noble Lord and the Gen'aeor
opposite to point out an instance in which any Inc- he
of similar importance had been pressed throngbfetnis
House with such indecent precipitation. But the Me
al
a
hers of the minority would not submit to so tyrannl tate
mode of proceeding. If the members of her
e,..3l,,siiies6
Government were so anxious for the speedy ,ed it
the measure, why, he would ask, had they not ea.% 60
to be printed at the period of its first introdoetin n'rce
that the House might have had time to consider its rod
visions? His lion. Friend the Member fur Nerrl
bait
expressed his surprise that he (Lord C. ilamiltnai) . this
not consulted his constituents upon the subject of was
Bill in the course of the last session. Bat the far •
salt
n
that he had at that time found it unnecessary to
eseure
them, because ho had been well aware that the In
.9 not
which had then been brought before the House vi;us of
to have been proceeded with until the commcneerarn the
another session. In conclusion, he could awletoure,
house that ho approved of the principle of the To Irish
and that he was anxious for an extension of t"
franchise; but he felt that they ought not to pass a
sure of that importance without mature deliberatil'who
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Noble
stance
had just addressed the House Lai asked fir on Ln rapid
in which a Bill had been proceeded with in tl Copt
manner which it was proposed that they aboul
bola
upon that occasion. Now he (Lord J. Russell). s •,oer-
have thought that there was not a volume of thelri'• teg
fticdin„-
nals which did not contain precedents of
he ,n proceeded with in Committee in the week tore.
ins that in which they had been read a secondal oft
Moreover, the present measure happened to be sead bad
which the Noble Lord and other Hon. Members pv1;846,,4e5.
ample opportunities of considering its main prO
Tee Bill.had been introduced on the Ist of 31aYitnrie t,
and the main question which it involved was klereland
have been whether the county franchise of
should or rohoald not be altered to an 81. lacing at-
chise. That ass a moat important question. At d been
tracted a good deal f attention in Irellnd; it ha trY;
much discussed in all the newspapers of that citinboa
political parties and the community genera./ and
(xaressed various opinions with respect to it s sobs
not only bad that main provision been cisesel
ject of much debate, but the various p-
ot' the measure bad also undergone considerstw_ead to
cuesion. Then again it had been re-introdOcilorj
the year 1349. But it turned out, certainly to T: rear
J. Ittusssli's) great surprise, that although t the refir
Lord had nin Ireland, as ho believed, both in bad
boa
1848 and in the ycar 1849, and although the Ines'- the
been a suaject of much discussion in that countrfitut be
Noble Lord had observed so discreet a silence t
until
had never asked a word about it-[Hear, heaqrool,,,ht
the year 1850, vr. hen his Right Hoe. Fiiend
oble Lord
the subject under their consideratien. Tb° N said,
then suddenly started up from his slumbers st of it
"This is an important question, I never thougn,_,..,„oo
before; I shall ask now what my constituents min3i'srey
to think about this Bill." Certainly there are e en
reasons given from time to time for delaying deduced
sideration of a measure, but the reason to be
from that peculiar character of the Noble Legir, and
his extreme reserve and taciturnity-(Hear,
_Th eau:lent
leughter)-is hardly to °l'
to stop a proceeding of this description, and
__,idero"
"Let us go home to-night-let us deter the co" r
boy
a sufficient ground for rr"
tion of the Bill until the Noble Lord shall
ceived letters from the county Tyrone., te tell
" Hear, hear.") The Noble Lord was there oriev
them whether or not the measure MIS a eu_`,,,nded.
eslrether or not the Irish franchise ought to be .xaa was,
Another complaint which the Noble Lord had ma-- vita
ht in the to
Russell)
printed. Now
Ile bad he
AN! te:ttYh'satsi eineimsteedrsthoadhinmota
jobrorudgir.._A
hiraseo
be most extraordinary complaint. es° tted the
whencomm'-
when a young Member of the house, _ ~ad been,
error of bringing in a Bill printed; but Dui,",bat h 0
immediately stopped by the Speaker, sad tai! tfinese.
ba,l b,en acting in violation of the forms of the
t, 11,4,,,
Afer having spent a few years in Parliaments h
l'-
bacome aware, and other Members were aware,bod be
forms of the House required that a Bill ordered to
brought in in written shape, aid that it virlas gigot
he printed when it was read a first titre. "1-1`
ht dt;e
Hon. Fliend could not, therefore, have brought orov--
Bill priute 1. Now he thought that as the peri,,-eoplq
Ore the r
sions of the rnewure had been so long

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and as Vie y were familiar to mo;t of the
I(ga'uVe
it4;e Ten in that House. they might really at once
,0 with i's consideration. thought that
L3`)l,e ra'nble Members mu.t, fire the present time,
to t, eable t, make up their minds with respect
:t (.• 11cription of franchise which they ought
~,f "Pt, and fe could not bolieve that the Honourable.
who
iihsarre I Member for the University of Dublin,
ire, '4ll discused the Bill in great detal ou the
eiSnd reading could be at a t, move amendments
tittilt: Principal 'clauses. But if there should be any new
eausie4 of which Hon. Members had act had time to
tit poi the bearing, he should be reedy to postpone nil-.
illtteLuaY such clauses, did any intricate and ditficu t
but 1,1..3 ey detail which the measure might ttiu.
lied
tth regard to the mein provisions of the Bithwhich
been knoweintroduced on the Ist of May, 1848, which had
Has, en in Ireland, which had been knewn in that
tan,:ts' tson that day to this, he thought it was not an
pQ "I,hle proposal; that it was not a tyranni,al pro-
-4011.; tnat it was not a peecipit‘te oposa!, to a.k the
Proceed at once to their coinideretion.-(Hear.)
liseL • Proceed
said he believed that the Hon.
thssih-",ol,Posite who had come down to the House that.
ter the purpose, as they alle.;e 3, of discussing
'ti4ht" for the government of the Australian colonies,
~ Well have at once deli ere she epeeches they
ipteeriteeyared for such a discus:ion, for ant:redly suche
kirks ,w_nuld beea quite as apposite a.;
the
abjeetwnich had attusily fallen from them upon
(LIN then under the consideration of the Househ-
h ter.) The Lble Lord opposite (Lord C. Hanag-
-otte t not had time to communicate with his consti-
-4h :")Ia , Tyrone with respect t the Bill; but he (Mr. B.
hist)-' who had no connexion with that county,
ti ewer.° e
Oti, it tua, notwithstanding its large popu.la-
'ilt e°,ntained only 1.369 voters on the registra, ion
Ptes:4,arki not one half of those voters, perhaps,were at
the fi littalified. Bet under the measure then bef
Ninnte'ei the co:otilueley cf that county would bo
ne, 11 000 (He• ) Was it not odd that he, a
eeeeie •- -11%
tlt4tl ',tan Member, should ha asserting the rights
1/441-'"ees of Tyrone in opposition to the Noble
to ?
the h fir one, rejoiced at the obstruction offered
~/%°llld Prop' e3s of that ref. amino because that obstruetton
'"Vin the rest character of the enemies of popular
~fuutr,lll Ir°l2n,l. An apathy had pervaled that
the frcin various , ; but he was much mistaken
th ios„, ons causes
which
th:tart th(;uth)US a tempt was being made to pee succees of thet Bill did not open the eyes
~hP ef behind as to who were their real fiends,
irti
,° were their worst enemies. For his part, he
reskjiel the cloven foot of protection pesping out
titlg° oPpositien to that measure ; and when ho
ehlas se P etex:s asshme 1 by his lion. Friend the
ofs-tioe'r Peuckingharn"shire. and other lion. Mein-
1, Net, h Party of which his Lion. Friend was the able
° said that they were engaged in an "organised
Dp'rillial*"--(liear, hear, and oh, oh.) Every Member
i;41."41 wits aware that the party opposite ware
Y sa Wier' with the constituency of Ireland at
Its Presen
t at )od. As HOD. Gentleman hal
.given
Nublinei°n; 4tl,d Learned Member for the University of
,-"lzsto'e-nt fir the best intentions in dealing with that
Oars, the (Mr. B. Osborne) could not conceive
t'er3°ll than that Honourable and Learned Mem-
os 4slllt upon any measure for extending popular
tooe represrsel;ted• Let any one show him the time when
tone
tn-,i''',;lttive of that university had e"'rt. to the Greek Wends any ensexion of
ih:tl at the ceuntry. But he hoped the Noble
line,serse ueed of the Government would persevere in
14",1-e)rd which he had entered. He hoped the lho-
o::r trne"feald show the people of Ireland that he was
rth • end and that ho was not prepared to hand
tir • e
)-,(lser_ t'Rotts and privileges to a haughty and, he
ohs %,,,"onasolent faction.-(Loud cries of " Hear.")
tCsata i''"EGATE said that as the Hon. Member
lo k_''b4t ("het gat down had stated that Irish Members
Sh,l, gnu:: °Ppoaitioe) aide of the Home had. reason
NEN repo with their present constituencies, .
L'o lainti the Honourable Member that he a a; him-
thsi'hN nLoritentecl with his constituency_ ijh
Middle-
nth of nal j dried an association formed. for the
p altering the franchise in that and in every
Lioe „
tits ctrl. rn„ t• e kingdom. The Honourable Member
,tt,Nall 14'14 air, M. J. O'Connell) hal asked them to
Itj', of t,4tlee in which an oppositien relying on the
eg wool
Rouse had been successful. Now, Hon.
'hsci b"eald recollect that the success r f the Sa, ataxy
brooch 404'1 Made a subject of congratulation in the
taitit to the Throne; and yet that Bill had not bee.n
tY had 48 present improved shape nntil after a nue
ez'Y the "ailed itself of the forms of that House to
1, 11, Period of
lie believed that
se Sea,' its consideration.
ttu,kth j 4 Allni,ters were pressing forward that men-spe!ov,iew to divert the attention of the public
st `;'"an which had of 1.0 become a subject of
t'i,(edir-.14i(1118 consideration. lie believed that they
at (4,.% at the same time of piecing the Members
ta!'. hy "PPosition) side of the House in a false po-
cllity tcurePelling them to assume an appeara-tee of
•ti, e 5 a liberal extension of the suffreee in Irelaed.
One °IN . i
• fr'elds
tanated eoestaise to say, that e and . •
`kyltiliam'l.attch hostility; and he thought that that
as-'ltlatly evinced by the readiness with which
14i-reel:led to the ceaond reading of the measure.
ih:cliiposte°;tlT said he- was not one of those who
t,tt t, Ito
'tes• te
Complain of a very free exercise of the
Al"ktin ing• which
and he had no objection t 3 witness.d
fie ma;orities now and then considered
ha see
th°pPetoino ad himself gone to divisions several times
`litjEtekteci tt° i,thY of the Home; but upon all such occasions
",,itli that the minority ought to have some-
,4l,l4;kt 4041.41 r case to maintain.. Now he undertook to
~n(1,11 ad, guraent whateve: in proof of such a case
the in the present instance. One point
7ar'shede, Noble Lord the Member for the county
'lths,":teen set at rest by the Noble Lord at the
2vc-r"Th"ernment; and he (Mr. Bright) had car-
• ss th eatd one Member asking that the whole
i":__, Rouse should be put into abeyance be-
'nper had not consulted particular choh.-.
"' be tit It had been further said that the But
14 e atelatPoned in order that the Irish Members
‘SliN,vas'e its'attend the assizes. Now, he could
„qen,f, should be absolutely necessary for the
in'qalas'ers to attend the assizes, and even if
k tern d •
,tts, ea them, he did not think it absolutely
tiittTe
of St the
it, House should therefore postpone a
`apttbittis-'at importance. For his part, he main-
:ttifei,"B business of the House should be pare-
Abh:40144 et", other consideration, and that that busi-
N, of 110 t
be postponed for the convenience of
itk4t Ititsgrancl jurors, or of any other gentleman.
tni the Urged that Hon. Members were still igno • "4th bow kovisions of the Bill, but he did not under-
'l!l,4l4o tolls'lt argument could be seriously maintained
%Ind' a LIU which hied at so distant a period been
iN(11(1 ltei:r their notice. But lion. Gentlemen oppc-
ttt hmticontreting that day, and it was rumoured
t•nlici-10 tne to a resolution to oppose that Bill,
i;thth the
liae time to dine before they should come
Ole 4te aedlaughter)-so that they
,es. an
lose') skiadVantege over Members on that (the
,tk n dr the House, who had had no know-
''lllh4ito°.os 11'41)1)0841°n that was' tehbe offered to the mea-
k tiness Part, he believed that Hon. Gentleman
ty 'en tfed the progress of the measure be-
isa,eatett'aded the consequences to themselves
lit,S-ISthe:Lea of the franchise in Ireland, and
tholight such an extension would
Var leostf"e " paltry remnant of an expiring fac-
ittle 'net, -Stanley had once called them.-(Hear.)
Oh 'tated, over and over again, that lion.
I,'ltqta they were anxious for a dissolution; and
C41,1410,6Y„ WOuld find their interests advanced in
It; if!Will; te Present .state of the franchise in that
.ah,4°(l, e'sslnY of the voters on its registry gone to
It:tar tie Ctes, or in the workhouses, or in their
d Xll. ia hit'Pl, however, that the Noble Lord would.
ked determination to proceed at once with
Q4,:p vtneps.,? believed that the Noble Lord. could
th oetter calculated to strengthen his posi-
t Is, ree k.
alaha insdorns.-(Hear, hear.)
tatlaittar, "NERS said that the Hon. Member for
Wti'3o!es
1 ° had a peculiar talent f hearing
ki
Ilot Et p,. ,t togs that had Lever been said, had
PptatadEetly to which he (Lord J. Manners)
flint ready to assent. The Hon. Member
lth,,,,ve '4 of ri° consideration connected with the
wiseP-`44%N1 l'iT3l.:e Members ought to interfere
h° business in that House; and in that
kht.,4td‘)P .li-• t'r.,ely concurred. But he could see no
tae
in which that Bill aas dim pressed
:hoe -
sudden and .sutreptitions change
Nlhf'neeer "lire whole order of the public business, ex-
difelt as.ll9nee of theonembere of the Government.
tn the aat they were that evening hi have
opitiie consideration of the •coloniel question,
• t`i!il neither the convenience of Hon. Mem-
'e ordinary couitlsies and decencies of
NritlisNstern °unsuited by the conduct of her Ma-
In
the for that evening, at a late hour
If the Committee on the Bill then under
,_)11;,:ts q 1/44 'lt he hoped that the House would nut
pt.,%util and unjusitiahle course of pro-
& he) tias-1"IY night Hon. Members on thet (the
fltie'tid 1:,°,410-10 House had offered no opposition
(:ter tisthat tiding tf the Bill; and ail au then
Nto't; ‘t s- een should have a fair and reasonable
tii, Lis
.alderation of its deta:le. The Noble
ca,:a,ktitreeet.l4,Pporters had taunted thorn with allh
tt;9lth .T,COMbihatiODs and collusions; but e
f thatm,,e Utmost scorn ald cant .mtt every
eti4N 0 e said uescription.-(lhoud cries of " Hear,
th h p that he and his Hon. Friends were de-
• erser .
i,;)the 6,111:g in the course which they had
'4 Vines' They were prepared to discuss that
hs Teti ]dung oat aPirit feitness and liberality, but
116-'(1/(:fe fereed into a premature discussion of
p(1-rsee the r, near.)
0110,1ivided, when there appeared-
4lat it "Lett
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01„t9 t„ 4400rity
111i1111• 11'4.,(IppNett'lLgretted sai.that still found.
it
the i ttnpo noir proceeding that evening with a
rtence-a Bill which was to revolu-
,lllti!t4 ash co
Hear, hear,"from the
thth,et that)er Honourable Gentlemen opposite
Itil•lsitZ Wontthat Bill was to be a new revoke
1,..,)(1 tell them, in the words once used
co the Lead of the Government,
ittle‘ltt‘lsilc'(4.ntry:,4l_ not afford to have a revolputtio. ne
htt~;th‘mla
cluear.) Hun. Members on that slieh ao House a lead for time to consider
, th ik n measure
pat ey , and. in their efforts to ea-
ts,t, t t4e. Were determined to persevere. He
jktNie tit rain, Hauhnan should report progress and
1,41,44 41)
et 44 04 4: then cleared for a division, but none
tifp t Nit :le return we found
ioiNottk, pzgating "het the best course would
1/4t,at't IP% ontle. of the Bill to-night, and then to
SltitOtsoettla h which it was thought that county
iktvtli it futoseayse. an opportunity of exercising their
to? eine, eulsaussioe. He disclaimed an ythinst
akniy Leat htctions 0- • i
',posit on, but really thought
ets „ • the 1,.. „
trt ;,qeptin et the tiovornment would
44 a bts recommendation, rather than e°° r° h' ehick led to bandying pereonali-