The Sun.
London, England, 1844-03-29 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 29, 1844.

it would not be for him to oppose it. But all he would
suggest, then, was, that the Standing Orders' Committee
could not act upon principles different from that on
which they usually acted. If it were referred back to
them, he did not see how they could come to a different
decision from that to which they had already come. He
must, therefore, give his most decided opposition to the
motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. SHAW said it was not his intention to divide the
House upon the motion, but if the House approved of it,
he would move, in pursuance of the suggestion of the
Hon. Gentleman, that the subject be referred back to
the Standing Orders' Committee. He begged to say he
did not intend that the Committee should decide on ap-
plying the atmospheric principle, but upon trying it.
Mr. STRUTT said he made no suggestion about re-
ferring the matter back to the Standing Orders' Com-
mittee. On the contrary, he said that if it were referred
back to the Standing Orders' Committee, he did not see
how they could come to any other decision than that
which they had already arrived at.
Mr. GLADSTONE must warn the House against
permitting parties to invalidate the Standing Orders of
the House merely on the ground of scientific experi-
ments or improvements. lie wished every encourage-
ment to be given to inventions and improvements, but
they ought to be careful in putting aside any of those
rules and regulations by which their proceedings were
governed. lie was by no means adverse to the propo-
sition of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Shaw) to in-
quire whether the experiments made at the particular
place alluded to were successful ; but the House must
recollect that there would be no want of applications to
them if they showed themselves too easily disposed to
constitute a tribunal for the consideration of scientific
experiments.
Mr. HUME said it was only yesterday he had met
with one of the most scientific men of the day who had
gone to Dublin with a decided feeling of disapprobation
of the atmospheric system, and had returned highly de-
lighted with it. In this gentleman's opinion the experi-
ment now in progress near Dublin wonld lead to one of
the greatest improvements of the day. He hoped the
House would grant a Select Committee, in order to give
to the country the best information that could be gained on
so important a subject from the opinions of men com-
petent, by their scientific attainments and practical ex-
perience, to arrive at sound conclusions upon the subject.
Lord HOWICK said he understood the Right Hon.
Gentleman to wish for the appointment of a Select Com-
mittee, to ascertain whether or not it was possible to try
the atmospheric principle on a larger scale during the
present year. He entirely concurred with the Hon.
Member for Dundee as to the desirableness of that ob-
ject. This was not one of those ordinary projects to
which the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Vice-President of
the Board of Trade, had referred. It was a scheme
which had been tried to a certain extent, and which,
in the opinion of the most scientific men, had, so far, been
eminently successful; but before a judgment could be
formed, it was absolutely indispensable that the experi-
ment should be tried on a more extended scale. With
regard to the. question immediately before the House,
he quite admitted that the objection, founded on the
Standing Orders, was altogether insuperable ; but he
hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would endeavour to
provide facilities for trying this plan.
Mr. GLADSTONE said that, of all persons, he should
be the last to offer any obstruction to the fair trial of
the experiment. The Inspector-General of Railways
had paid the greatest attention to the subject.—(Hear,)
Sir R. INGLIS begged to remind the House that they
were not trying to benefit the atmospheric plan by con-
sidering whether a certain Bill should or should not be
brought before the House in compliance with the Stand-
ing Orders, the Committee of which was composed of
Members on both sides of the House. He thought the
experiment ought not to be made at the expense of
parties who were bringing forward the Bill.
Mr. ESTCOURT said it was a matter of considerable
importance, not only that this experiment should be
tested, but that it should be tested at as early an oppor-
tunity as possible, inasmuch as the construction of
many railways might depend in a great measure on the
results of that experiment.
Mr. SHAW said that he did not want to re-
verse the order of the Standing Orders' Committee ; but
he thought it might be left open to the applicants for
the Bill to petition for a new Bill, and to lay before the
House the grounds on which they rested their proposi-
tion. Such an arrangement would not bind the Standing
Orders' Committee.
The motion was then withdrawn without further dis
cussion.

BRANDES AND BURTON INCLOSURE.
The Brandes and Burton Inclosure Bill was read a
;hird time.

MIDDLE LEVEL DRAINAGE BILL.
The Middle Level Drainage Bill was read a second
time.

Mr. FIE LDEN presented a petition in favour of a ten
hours' Bill.

THE NAVAL FORCE IN IRELAND.-POOR

RATES.
Sir G. COCKBURN, seeing the Hon. and Gallant
Member for Brighton in his place, would take that op-
portunity, before the Orders of the Day should be read,
of alluding to a question which the Hon. and Gallant
Member had put to him the other evening. The Hon.
and Gallant Gentleman had asked him if he was aware
that the naval force had been employed in assisting in
the collection of poor-rates in Ireland. To that he had
replied, that there was a naval force stationed on the west
coast of Ireland, and that perhaps they might have lent the
assistance of their moral influence to the aid of the civil
power. The fact was that two steamers had been stationed
on the west coast of Ireland, in aid of the civil force, the
consequence of which was, the presence of the military
was rendered unneccessary, and the effusion of blood,
probably, prevented.
Captain PECHELL said that on the Navy estimates
he had pointed out that one, if not two, war steamers,
was employed in the collection of poor-rates in Ireland.
The Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Sir
George Cockburn) denied the statement, and said
he was not aware of any such circumstance. He
Captain Pechell subsequently produced his authority
for his statement, and the Right Hon. Baronet the
Secretary of State for the Home Department made an
apology for the Right Honourable. and Gallant Officer,
and he (Captain Pechell) was satisfied with that
apology, but since that the Right Honourable
and Gallant Officer came down to the House
and revived the subject, and acknowledged, in fact, that
the poor-rates had been collected under the guns of a
war-steamer. The difference between him (Captain
Pechell) and the Right Hon. Gentleman was, that the
latter said he had no cognizance of the fact of the
steamers being so employed, and he added that the
officers of those vessels had received no instructions from
the Admiralty to collect the poor-rates, but merely to
aid the civil power whereas he (Captain Pechell)
' inferred that those ships of war were kept on that coast,
in order that the po:ice and officers of Governtment
might the better insure the collection of the poor-rates.
One of the steamers was, in fact, converted into a sort
of Somerset House.—(Cheers and laughter.) The col-
lectors went on board and claimed assistance of the offi-
cers, and one person went on board to pay his rates.
Mr. FRENCH stated, on the authority of Dr. Kir-
wan, the Vicar-General of the diocese of Galway, that,
notwithstanding the employment of naval men in the
collection of the rate, there was still a large amount un-
collected ; and if ten steamers were employed instead of
one a great portion of the rate would remain uncollected.
FACTORIES BILL.
On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, that the
Order of the Day for going into Committee on the
Factories Bill, for the purpose of its being discharged,
be read ;

Mr. B. COCHRANE said that he would venture to
tell the Noble Lord (Ashley) that he should never have
agitated the country upon this question, if he had not
calculated beforehand, not merely even probable, but also
every possible combination of circumstances which must
arise respecting it.—(Laughter from the Opposition.)
(LEFT SITTING.)

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COURSE OF EXCH.
Amsterdam CF. 12 6i
Ditto, at sight l2 4i
Rotterdam 2U. 12 7
Antwerp 26 0
Elamburgh M.B. 14 0
Altona l4 0
Paris, 3 days' sight 25 70
Ditto, 3 months 25 95
Marseilles
Bourdeaux 25 0
Frankfort on Maine
Petersburgh, 3Us 364
Berlin 7
Vienna, effec. fi. 3 M 958
I rieste, ditto
Madrid 36i
Cadiz
Bilbao 36
Barcelona 36
Seville

ANGE.—(THIS DAY.)
Gibraltar —
Leghorn 3O 65
Genoa 26
Milan —
Venice 47
Nap1e5........
Palermo, per oz ll7
Lisbon 53
Oporto 53
Rio Janeiro 23
Bahia 23
Buenos Ayres —
NewYork,2ldys sight
Philadelphia —
PRICES OF BULLION, PER OZ.
Foreign Gold, bars £3 17 9
Portugal Gold Coin 3 17 5
New Doubloons OO 0
New Dollars 0 4 95
Silver in Bars 0 4 111

MARKET INTELLIGENCE.
(From the London New Price Current, of March 29.)
SUGAR.—The market fest West India has again assumed a
dull aspect; Grocers and Refiners have operated with reluc-
tance, taking barely enough for their immediate wants. Mer-
chants generally have refused to sell excepting upon previous
terms. To-day importers of West India Sugar submitting to
a decline in prices of generally 6d per cwt, tempted the trade
;o come for,vard more freely ; still the sales amounted to only
200 hhds, making the sales for the week 790 hhds and trcs ;
and the market closed with a flat appearance.
REFINED.—To-day the demand was brisker for Refined
goods for home use; brown Lumps 74s 6d, and standard
Lumps 75s 6d per cat ; bonded Crushed firm at 26s per cwt.
Mssuarrius.—Holders have shown firmness and the market
has been sparingly supplied with all qualities, but the trade
have operated with caution.
EAST INDIA.—For Foreign East India Sugar the market
has a firm appearance; privately purchases made at 18s to 21s
for Manilla, and Java at 18s to 22s per cwt. This afternoon
Bengal Sugar, fine white went at 67s to 68s, good 64s 6d to
655, middling 63s to 645, middling yellow 58s 6d to 59s 6d,
good 60s to 61s 6d, white damp and washed 62s to 675, and
yellow 58s to 59s 6d per cat.
FOREIGN—YeIIow Havannah is held for the improved rates
of last week, but only a limited business has been transacted.
White Havannah has met with more attention, and the rates
paid are on a par with those of last week. This afternoon two
floating cargoes of brown Bahia were sold, one at 18s, and the
oiher at .18s 3d per cwt., deliverable at Liverpool.
MOLASSES.—For West India rather lower rates again ac-
cepted. Madras, 183 for good thick. Bengal Syrup at 15s to
16s per cwt.
COFFEE. —The middling descriptions of Jamaica and Ber-
bice are much wanted by the town and country trade, and the
supply being small, holders have been enabled to obtain very
full rates, but unclean and inferior sorts were difficult of sale,
and prices are looking down.
This afternoon Ceylon Coffee moved off slowly by private
contract, and prices still drooping ; good ordinary sold at 64s
to 65s per cat ; of Batavia, 245 bags at public sale sold at very
full rates ; goad ordinary mixed brown fetched 1325, bulked
3ls 6d, and sea damaged first, second, and third class 24s to 28s
per cwt. Foreign Coffee dull of sale ; Rio at 29s to 355, and
St. Domingo 31s to 33s per cat.
Cocoa.—Foreign is held with firmness, sound Bahia bought
in at 29s to 29s 6d for good bright red ; sound coaco husks
from Malaga, taken in at 173 per cwt. In Trinidad coaco prices
have given way 2s to 3s per cwt.
TEA.—There has been less desire to purchase green Tea,
and the market having been better supplied, prices have given
way for all descriptions this week. Importers of black are
generally inclined to sell, and large parcels having been pressed
for sale a further decline in the value has been the conse-
quence. The public auctions which cosarerreed on Tuesday
finished yesterday ; there was only a small muster of the trade
throughout ; the biddings were languid for all descriptions of
black, and the trade purchased green with caution; prices
continued to give way as the sales proceeded, and left off at a
decline on the last auctions.
RUM, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDC—Jamaica Rum fair qua-
lity 30 to 34 per cent overproof at 3s 6d to 3s Bd, good 36 to
38 over 3s 10 to 4s, and small parcels of superior at 4s 6d to
5s 6d per gallon. Leewards at 2s 2d to 2s 2id proof strength.
Calcutta Rum much wanted, but few parcels are to be met
with ; Is lld to Is 1 lid paid for proof. Demerara at 38 3d to 3s
4d for strong, and 3s 5d per gall for very fine in hhds. Brandy at
following rates: Cognac, best bands of the vintage of 1838,
hhds 5s 9d, puns 5s 7d ; 1840, hhds 53 6d, puns 5s sd; 1841,
hhds 5s 7d, puns 5s 4d; 1842, hhds 5s sd, puns 5s 3d, and in-
ferior marks 2s 10d to 4s 6d per gallon. In Geneva not much
done : I s 9d is the value of shipping sort, and 2s 2d to 3s for
fine for home consumption. In the value of English Corn
Spirits there is no vvariation.
RlCE.—Carolina at 21s to 26s per cat. This afternoon
Bengal Rice nearly all taken in, middling white at 12s, a few
lots common white sold at Ils to Ils 6d, sea damaged fetched
7s to lls ; pockets all sold at a decline of 6d,—middling white
went at I Is to I Is 6d, and sea damaged 9s 6d to 109 6d; 430
bags Madras Rice sold rathe lower, good bold sound yellow at
9s, sea damaged first class 8s to 83 6d per cwt.
Saco.—Prices have declined 2s per cot ; Sago Flour 20s
to 21s per cwt; Tapioca at 6d to 6%d per lb for fine quality.
This afternoon Sago Flour taken in at 22s to 23s per cwt for
good white, being above the valve.
SPICES.—This afternoon at public sale 91 chests of Cassia
Lignea sold at 52s to 53s for loose and broken, being the full
value. 6 casks Mace taken in at 2s 4d to 21 6d for common Ba-
tavia. 12 casks of nutmegs were bought in at 35 for Batavia,
and low 2s 2d to 21 3d. Pepper is little wanted, and ;03 bags
Sumatra at public sale all taken in at 3d for common light
rather dusty, 28d offered. Pimento has declined in value hd
per lb.

Oats.—For Olive Oil, further advanced rates paid, Galli-
poli fetching 501, Sicilp 491, Spanish 481 to 481 10s, and Bar-
bary 471 to 47/ 101: Linseed Oil 26s 9d to 27s per cwt.
Rape Oil, at 38s to 38s 6d for pale, and 37s to
37s 6d for brown. Cocoa Nut Oil at 293 6d to
321 per cwt ;
Palm, first quality at 28s per cwt. Cod
Oil at 341 10s to 35/. Pale Seal at 341 158 to 351 per tun.
Southern 3115 s to 321 103 for mid to good. Sperm at 701 103
to 701 153 for British, and one lot low 631 per tun.
TALLOW.—On the spot for Russian Tallow 403 9d to 41s
per cwt are the currentrates paid for I).y. Candle of first
quality. For delivery in the last three months of the year at
42s per ewt. American at the previous currency. Town Tal-
low at 41s, net cash. New South Wales at 38s to 40s Od per
cwt. This afternoon South American Tallow at 34s to 40s 3d,
Odessa Sheep 39s 6d 6d to 39s 9d, Italian 383 to 393 Ibrail
39s to 40s, New South Wales Tallow at 38s 3d to' 40s 9d
per cwt.

They stated that they had heard with excessive alarm
that an attempt had been made to reduce to ten hours
the employment of persons in factories. They stated
that that would reduce their profits one-seventh—
that it would reduce the capital which was em-
ployed to the same amount—that it would
have the effect of reducing wages, and also the exporta-
tion of manufactures abroad. It also stated that the
ultimate reduction of wages from it would be from 15
to 25 per cent. upon the average—that it would deprive
the labouring people of the enjoyments they at present
possessed, and would tend to excite generally a spirit of
discontent. The petitioners therefore earnestly prayed
the House not to sanction such a proposition.
Lord HOWICK presented a petition from the Short
Time Committee, praying the House not to allow the
Bill to be withdrawn.
Mr. BULLER presented a petition to the same effect.
Mr. TATTON EGERTON presented a petition from
Hyde, in Cheshire, against the limitation of the time of
labour to ten hours.
Mr. ESTCOURT presented three petitions from
Trowbridge, in the county of Wilts. The first was
signed by 54 operatives in the employment of Mr.
Samuel Brown. The petitioners stated that they
had heard with alarm of the intention of the
House to restrict the hours of labour in factories
to ten. That reduction would inflict serious injury upon
them, inasmuch as it would necessarily lead to a reduc-
tion of wages ; and they prayed the House not to restrict
further the hours of labour. He had also another peti-
tion to the same effect, from the operatives in the em-
ploy of Mr. Allen ; and another, with a similar prayer,
from the operatives in the employment of Mr. Appleby.
An HON. MEMBER presented four petitions from the
operatives of Trowbridge with a similar prayer.
Lord ASHLEY presented petitions from Preston,
Wigan, and Warrington, in favour of a ten hours' Bill.
Mr. HINDLEY presented a petition which had been
agreed to at a public meeting at Ashton, in favour of a
ten hours' Bill.