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rCOURT OF SEWERS. -
A special meeting of the Court of Sewers fir the
City and Liberty of Westminster, and part of the
county of Middlesex, was held yesterday at the office,
Greek-street, Soho-square, T. L. Donaldson, Esq., it,
he Chair.
The reports of Messrs. Allason, Harrison, and
Cantwell, with the reports of the surveyors of the
Court, having been read upon the subject of venti-
lating shafts and air gratings, on which the three first
gentlemen recommended that ventilating shafts, ac-
cording to a form produced in Court, should ha tried
as an experiment along the centre of the roadway in
Oxford-street ; while the surveyors proposed Picca-
dilly or the Strand in preference, as the sewer was
more in the centre of the street, the estimated ex-
pense being for each shaft 12s. 6:l.—a trilling sum,
the reports stated, if balanced with the immense ad-
vantage derived from an improved atmosphere in the
operations of the servants of that Court.
After some discussion, in which the Chairman,
Mr. Leslie, Mr. Allason, Mr. Willoughby, and other
Commissioners took part, it was determined to try
thirty of them in different parts of the district, to test
their usefulness.
The CHAIRMAN then said that the next subject for
their consideration were the forms and materials of
sewers; and the clerk would read to the Court that
part of Messrs. Allason, Harrison, and-Cantvvell's re-
port which bore upon them.
The clerk read the report, as also that of Mr. John
White, and the surveyors.
Mr. Jour( WHITE then remarked at considerable
length upon the surveyors' report, and contended
that the plans and sections exhibited by them to the
Court were his own, but greatly deteriorated. He had
carefully examined their sections where differing
from those he had laid upon the table, and he was
still of opinion that the latter were, as regarded eco-
nomy of cost and durability of construction, superior
to.the forms at present in use, or those advocated by
the surveyors.
Mr. BALDWIN was sorry that the Hon. Commis-
sioner had remarked in such a strain upon the
report sent in by their surveyors. He thought those
officers ought to be perfectly independent in their
opinions, at the same time that they exhibited every
courtesy towards Hon. Commissioners.
Mr. WHITE had thought that the report had at-
tacked his professional character, but having been now
assured that it was not so, he was perfectly satisfied.
Mr. HawEists, the assistant-surveyor, having al-
luded to several portions of Mr. White's speech,
thought that that gentleman was labouring under
a misapprehension with respect to Mr. Dowley's
and his (Mr. Hawkins's) views.
Mr. BALDWIN thought that it would be better if
that Court would refer the reports they had heard
read, andthe several sections accompanying them, to
two or more eminent architects or surveyors, when
the Court, having the opinion of these professional
men to guide them, would the better be able to come
to a conclusion upon the subject.
The CHAIRMAN recommended that some Hon.
Commissioner should lay a substantive motion upon
the table.
Mr. WHITE moved that the form of sewer to be
afterwards used by that Court should be built after
the forms submitted by himself.
The motion was seconded by Mr. BALDWIN.
Mr. KENDALL proposed, and Mr. GUTCH seconded
an amendment, that the forms submitted by the sur •
veyors he those adopted.
Mr. LESLIE was opposed to both. He did not
think there was a very great difference between the
form recommended by the surveyors and that of Mr.
John White; but he said again, he objected to both
of them, because he thought the top of the sewer was
placed where the bottom ought to be. He found, on
examination, that the egg-shaped sewer was the best
form for every purpose, and that its durability was
equal, if not superior, to any other. It was singularly
notorious that that Court had maintained the
form of upright-sided sewer with great pertinacity,
although it was generally admitted not to be nearly
so strong as the curved side. Now, one of his oVec-
tions to the plan propounded by Messrs. Harrison,
Allason, and Cantwell, was that it was straight-staled.
He had been at the trouble to copy an opinion be the
celebrated Sir John Rennie upon the proper form
and construction of a sewer, and he would read it to
the Court. (The Hon. Commissioner then read the
opinion given by Sir John Rennie, that the sewer
ought to be made like a canal tunnel, the bottom an
inverted arch, and the sides curved. He stated that
good stone was the best material for its construction,
but as its expense would exceed all reasonable bounds,
and as well burned bricks, laid in mortar, would last
for ages, he had no hesitation in saying they should
be used.) Such was that most eminent man's opinion,
but he (Mr. Leslie) supposed that all the Commis-
sioners present had looked at it, for it had been in
that office for forty years, although it had never been
acted upon. He would now offer his opinion why he
thought the plan adopted in the Holborn and Fins-
bury district still better than that of Sir J. Rennie,
or the others then before them. The egg-form ap-
peared to him like a wedge, which would slip, it' he
might say so, into the earth, thereby requiring less
cutting, and of course less expense than at psesent.
There was another thing to which he would like to
call their attention, although perhaps at the expense
of a laugh at himself. He thought that something in
the form of pitch would be a capital protection for
:heir inverts. He thought it could be done at little
nest, and give great security. Ile was decidedly op-
posed to stone, on account of the expense and price
of labour. There were many miles of Holborn and
Fin' mry done in this form, and evidence had been
riven before the Rouse of Commons' Commission to
show that it was most durable in construction. Ile
tl,jiseted to put in the bricks in blocks ; he would wish
rhe:n put in, as in the tunnel, cemented in single
bricks. Ile would not detain them longer, but he
would strongly impress upon the Court, at this time,
the necessity of getting a permanent form of sewer
at as cheap a rate at possible.—(llear, hear.) He
acknowledged that the forms proposed now were a
great improvement upon that at present in use, but
lie wished the Court to try the form adopted by the
Holborn and Finsbury diviston.
• Mr. WHITE would mention one circumstance that
had come under his own observation. He found that
many of the stones of Old London-bridge were ace
tually coated with pitch.
Mr. Wierouonny said that while there existed so
many opinions upon the proper forms of sewers, they
ought, before deciding, to be very sure that they had
got the proper form. There could be no one more
ready to remedy any evil than he was, and if the evil
were universal, he would be most happy to receive
the universal remedy for it. But here a discussion
had its first origin in the failure of the sewerage in
the Harrow-road, and some other places—an evil
which might be accounted for by the shifting of earth,
or half a dozen other causes. Engineers, practical
men, were not decided unon any one form of sewer,
for the form that might he perfectly applicable
to one locality would he quite unsuited for another.
—(Hear, hear.) The present form in use had been
found of very general application, and if peculiar cir-
cumstances, or a peculiar locality, called for another
construction of sewer, he had no objection that such
sewer should be constructed under such circum-
stances or in such locality. There were other things;
there were economy to Ite considered in this matter.
They had to consider what was of much higher itn-
portance—a system of permanent sewerage. He
thought that economy, within reasonable limits, wes
the very last consideration. But why, he would ask,
if the present form were ba 1, did their surveyors
Permit them to remain so long in error? Why were forty
years allowed to expire ere this improved system
was brought before their notice. They had wiles on
miles of sewerage of a perpendicular form, and it had
already lasted, and would, he felt sure, exist for
series of years, and that was a fact of greater conse-
quence and of greater weight than any mere theo-
retical opinion—even of Sir John Rennie or any
dqually eminent man. Let them really be certain
that the form they adopte.l would he better before
they dispensed with what they had fount to be go.xl.
--4 Tear, hear.) He thought that by acting on the
spur of the moment, the Court was acting ra-hly an,i
intemperately:—(Hear, hear.) His own opinion was,
and he was borne out by many eminent men, that
the perpendicular form of sewer was less liable to
accident, and easier of construction, than the cir-
cular sides.

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Mr. BALDWIN said that any one at all acquainted
with mathematics must be aware that lateral pressure
could be best resisted by a circular-formed sewer.
He thought it was no reason why they should not
make an experiment of any proposed form because a
system had existed for forty or fifty years, and had
been found to do well, simply because no better had
been attempted. If the Couri allowed him, he would
throw out a suggestion that wood, hardened upon
Payne's principle, might be tried instead of brick or
stone for the bottoms of sewers. He had tried it on
soine property of his in Ireland, and found it to
ar4swer all purpose,s,of drainage better than bricks.
ghe CHAIRMAN said that his friend (Ur. Wil-