The Sun.
London, England, 1857-05-04 00:00:00

and said—From Dec.. 1855, to May, 1856, we
printed the Joint-Stock Companies Journal for the
parties who started it, and from that date for
others up to April last. Mr. Ransom first started
the journal, and a Mr. Campbell, whom I after-
wards knew as Mr. Menzies. I printed the paper
for them for 10 months. During that time Mr.
Cockburn was employed on it as advertisement
agent. Upon Ransom and Menzies retiring it
stopped for about three weeks, and then Mr. Cock-
burn asked me if I would print it for him. He
said he was not the prOprietor, but that he was
engaged as manager. 1 was. to be paid by him.
He paid me for printing the paper.. Mr..
Lawson has been at my office. The leading articles
were g-q.rally l.ronght by Mr. Cockburn. I
have seen Mr. Lawson correct hisproofs in writing.
They were printed slip of articles that were after-
wards inserted. The manuscripts were always sent
away with the proofs, unless Mr. Cockburn took
them away when Mr- Lawson did not come. Mr.
Cockburn and Mr. Lawson sometimes c tmetogether.
The proofs were afterwards burnt. Mr. Cockburn
came two or three times a-week, Mr. Lawson only
about once a-week, and sometimes he would slip a
week. I merely set up the type. The paper was
printed elsewhere. I knew Mr. Lawson as Mr.
son. I heard the name of Williams upon one occa-
sion, but Ido not think Mr. Lawson knew of it. I
called him by his proper name one day in the office,
upon which Mr. Cockburn checked me, and said,
" I don't want the men and boys to know him by
that name; call him by some other name • call him
Mr. Williams." After that I called him Mr. Wil-
liams, when I had occasion to mention the name of
Mr. Cockburn. Mr. Lawson was not aware of this.
Mr. Cockburn gave me advertisements to insert in
manuscript and print. Mr. Cockburn called upon
me on Thursday last. He saw some copy
on the s'one, and said, " I hope you have not got
any of nay copy here ; I don't want, it to go into
other hands." I told him I did not think I had
any. I told him that Spittle, the officer, had pre-
viously called, and that I had given him some en-
velopes.
Cross-examined by Mr. Wontner—Mr. Lawson
made no concealment about his name. I always
addressed him as Mr. Lawson, and he always
answered to that name. It was about Christmas
last since I saw him. Ido not think it so long ago
as six months. I should not like to swear that he
ever took any copy away from the office himself. I
never received any money from him. Mr. Cockburn
was my employer. All that Mr. Lawson did was to
correct the. slips, and he has not been since
Christmas.

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Re-examined by Mr. Bodkin—Since last Christ-
mas Mr. Cockburn has taken the slips away. Ido
not know who wrote the articles. Sometimes Mr.
Cockburn brought the slips back 'corrected, and
sometimes unaltered. Ido not know whose writing
the alterations in the proofs was. I have seen Mr.
Lawson correct slips at our office. His corrections
have been very different from his copy, different
from his writing in general, as sometimes we have
had pens at the office.

Mit. Isaac Argent—l am a printer, at No. 5,
Falcon-court, Fleet-street. I printed the last num-
ber of the Joint Stock Companies Journal. Mr
Cockburn, who employed rne, furnished me with
the manuscript for the publication of the 18th of
April. I have had the type set up for another num-
ber, which has not been published. Mr. Cockburn
furnished me with the matter for that. Since the
last hearing-Mr. Henderson called, and I searched
and found a slip of a corrected proof. Ido not
know when the alterations in it were made, but it
was taken away by Mr. Cockburn, and was after-
wards brought back by him.and printed.
Frederick Simms—l was in the employment of Mr.
Cockburn for about nine months. T u'ed to go to
the banks and insurance offices in the City, and at
the West-end to deliver copies of the Joint Stock
Companies' Journal. Mr. Cockburn sometimes
gave them to me, and sometimes I got them from
the machine-room, in Cursitor-street. I delivered
97, 84, and 104 copies in a day. I know Mr.
Lawson by sight. Mr. Cockburn used to send me
to Mr. Graham's to see it the proofs were ready,
and 'when I got them I delivered them to Mr.
Lawson. I. told him I was to wait for an answer.
Mr. Lawson used to take the proofs out of the
letter and return them to me. I then returned
them to the printer. I went with proofs to Mr.
Lawson four or five times, the last time being four
or five weeks ago. I have seen the defendants to-
gether on several occasions. Sometimes I used to
carry Mr. Cockburn's pocket-book. (Laughter.)
Mr. Cockburn four times called upon Mr. Lawson
for the proofs, and he brought them out and gave
them to me, and I returned them to the printer.
I have left a great number of the journal of the
18th of April at different places. I told Mr.

Cockburn that the people of the London Joint
Stock Bank had desired me not to leave any more,
upon which he said I was to tell them that I was
to leave them without being paid for them. Mr.
Cockburn told me upon the day on which I was
taken into custody to carry 100 papers. He swung
a placard round my neck at the Royal Exchange,
and told me to walk up and down Threadneedle-
street, and to go into the banks and try to sell the
papers. He told me if any policeman came up to
me and ordered me to move on, I was to go on a
little way and to return again. He said if a po-
liceman came and threatened to take me into cus-
tody I was to-t3ll him I did not care, for he would
soon come and fetch me out of prison. I had sold
a good many copies of the paper before I was taken
into custody. I gave' 5,. 10d. that I received for
papers to Mr. Cockburn. I remember a gentleman
asking Mr. Cockburn, when he was putting the
board round my neck, if what was printed on it
was true, and Mr. Cockburn said it was quite as
true as that about the British Bank.
Mr. Francis Palmer—l am clerk in the secre-
tary's office of the Bank of London. Mr. Cockburn
has frequently been to our office, and apolied for
advertisements for his journal, but they were never
given to him. I told him that we never gave
them out, and that ' all our advertisements were
sent to our advertising agents. He has frequently
called on Oe same errand, and has asked me to let
him see Mr. Scott (the manager of the bank), as the
advertising agents would not give him advertise-
ments without our authority. He saw Mr. Scott
upon only one occasion. I afterwards refused to
let him see him. I told him that there were posi-
tive orders that he should not have our advertise-
ments. He then offered me tickets for the theatre
if I would get his name put on the list for adver-
tisements. I refused to do anything of the kind.
Sometimes he asked for a prospectus and_some-
times for a report.
Cross-examined by Mr. Metcalfe—The placard
refers to the retirement of 140 shareholders. That
statement is untrue. They did not all retire.
Some of them have died, and their shares are in
the names of their executors. Others have sold
their shares. A hundred and thirty shares have
been bought by 90 others.
Re-examined by Mr. Bodkin—The persons who
retired sold their shares to other persons who have
bought them. Every share is represented by a
proprietor.
The. Lord Mayor—Every share has an owner ?
Witness—Every share has an owner.
Mr. Henry Colyer, bookseller, of 39, Cornhill,
said—l did not give any authority to Mr. Cock-
burn to insert my name as publisher of the Jpint
Stock Companies Journal, nor for letters or com-
munications to be left at my office.
John -Muir—l live at 274, Strand, and am an
engineer's labourer. I am not the publisher, of
the Joint Stock Companies Journal. The state-
ment therein contained that it is printed and pub-
lished by Me is untrue.
Mr. Alexander Colvin—l am secretary to the
British Exchequer Life-office. I have seen Mr.
Cockburn once or twice. Upon one occasion I had
a conversation with him respecting the Joint Stock
Companies Journal. I met him at the Merchants'
and Tradesmen's Life-office, and in the course of
conversation with Mr. Thompson and myself, he
stated that they were supplied with funds for the
gratuitous distribution of copies of the journal
among the directors and officers of the Bank of
London, the National and Provincial Assurance-
office, the Falcon Life-office, and generally, as I
understood him, in any quarters in which it might
be thought desirable to circulate it. He did not
mention the quarter from which the funds were
supplied. Some general conversation occurred ire-
specting the paper, and Mr. Thonipson and I both
said we thought the articles unfair. 1 have re-
ceived copies of the journal for months past with-
out any charge being made for them. I never
ordered them.
Mr. Bodkin here asked for a remand.

Mr. Wontner—On the part of Mr. Lawson, I
make no objection to his re-appearing here. He
appears on a summons to-day, and he is anxious
that the case should be fully investigated. He de-
nies his connexion with the article complained of,
and I think I shall be able to convince your lord-
on a subsequent occassion that really there is no
gromid whatever for asserting that he has been
party to any conspiracy to defraud the bank.

Mr: Bodkin—We don't charge him with any
conspiracy to rob the bank ; we charge him with
conspiracy in trying to damage its reputation.
'The further hearing of the charge was then post-
poned, and the defendants entered into their re-
cognisances in 1001. each to attend on a subsequent
occasion.

The Grenadier Guards, have sent out nine parties, the
Coldstreams five parties, and Scots Fuliliers seven par-
ties. The recruits to be taken are to be five feet ten
inches in height, and not under eighteen years of age,
and to be men of good character.