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mere experiment, a getting in of the small erid--ei the
wedge, and that it would be certainly followed, in the
next or the succeeding session, by a proposition far a
change in the representation of Great Britain."

Th© ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was correct to
state that a future grouping of Irish boroughs was in
contemplation; but (as we understood) not that the 8/.
was to be considered as final. He did not think it would's'.
be of advantage to divide the House on the question.
Viscount CASTLEREAGH was not one of those
who coincided in the wish for as wide a franchise as pos-
sible. He was in favour of thtribonarchical principle,
and against the socialist and-democratic. He thought
that the franchise might be extended too widely, and he
made this avowal in defiance of that unpopularity which
it might draw upon him. Looking at the position of
other countries, he could net assent to the doctrines of
the day. He would take the liberty to read a portion
of the speech of the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Fox) at the meeting referred to. The Hon. Member
therein spoke of social revolution. The words were as
follows:—" In the accomplishment of these objects they
should still keep in view their great ultimate object,
which he would not hesitate to call a social revolution."
Now, he understood "social revolution" meant socialism
—the doctrine of which he must condemn.
Mr. W. J. FOX said as the Noble Lord had drawn at-
tention to a sentence in a speech of his which contained
the words " social revolution," he would explain his mean-
ing, though he thought it was already clear enough. He
did not mean by " social revolution" bloodshed, plunder,
or the destruction of our venerated institutions, or the
re-distribution of property, or any such absurdities; but
he meant by " social revolution" such achaage as would
put talent, integrity, and legitimate influence in the
place of the corruption and intimidation that at present
existed.—(Hear, hear.) The word " social" had been
laid hold of, as far as it could bo laid hold of, to give a
perverted term to its meaning, and one directly opposite
to the meaning he had just affixed to it. Ho repeated,
he did desire to see such a social revolution as he then '
described—namely, a revolution that would put talent,
honesty, and ability, in their proper place, and give
them their proper influence. And if it were thought
he was incautious in the use of the words " social
revolution" in such a place, he would just add
this observation, that his remarks were not ad-
dressed to any large indiscriminate meeting, but
to a small body of persons who had met in a private
place to consult upon those political arrangements they
contemplated, and in the pursuit of which they were en-
gaged. He must say he did not think that in the senti-
ments or in the language ho used there was anything to
excuse; and es he was desirous to see the suffrage here
and in the sister country extended int he widest manner,
he should give his support to the amendment.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR did not think the Hon. Member's
speech required explanation. He had heard the speech,
and was certain that nothing further from physical force

meant by the words "social revolution.."

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL repudiated the revival by the
Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) of the doctrine of exclu-
sive loyalty. That doctrine had done much mischief al-
ready, and he had hoped it had become obsolete.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment... ... 43
Apliast it ... ... 80
Majority ... 37 _ _

.
Mr. W. J. FOX, reverting to the conversation which
had taken place previously to the division, said he
thought be had some reason to complain of the unfair
manner in which the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had
quoted the observations made at the conference of dele-
otes. Completeness was essential to correctness, but
the Noble Lord had concluded his quotation in the
middle sentence. The words read by the Noble Lord
were—" In the accomplishment of these objects they
should still keep in view their great ultimate object,
which he would not hesitate to call a social revolution,"
and there he stopped; but in the report which had just
been put into his hard, the sentence was completed in
his manner—" a revolution, however, which would
leave intact, in all their sacredness, the principles of the
Constitution—(Cheers)—the maintenance cf order, and
the greatest possible amount of liberty, but a revolution
which should raise into operation the intellectual and
moral aristocracy of the country, with ability to govern,
and integrity to govern well."—(Cheere.)
Lord CASTLEREAGH had no intention of misquot-
ing- the Hon. Member. Ho considered the expression,
social revolution," not sufficiently qualified by the
latter part of the speech, and did not see how a social
revolution could be consistent with the institutions which
he desired to maintain.

Colonel CHATTERTON then moved an amendment
in the 10th clause, the object of which was to alter the
period of registration from the 31st May- to the 31st
July.

The amendment was supported by Mr. Grogan and
Lord Bernard ; and opposed by tho Attorney• General,
Mr. Scully, and Sir W. Somerville.
On a division the numbers were—
For the amendment... ... 21
Against it ... . . 92
Majority —7l

Mr. GROGAN said the amendment which he was
about to propose was one which would tend to increase
the franchise, and therefore he did not see how Hon.
Members opposite could object to it. The Bill proposed
that the revision of the lists should take place all over
Ire!and at the same time. Now, as there were a great
number of legal men generally resident in Dublin, who
would be absent at that time, he thought it desirable to
fix the registration for that city one month later ; and
he, therefore, proposed to insert words excepting the
city of Dublin.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the prac-
tice was precisely the same in England. The registra-
Von for the metropolis took place in September and
October, when many parties were at their country resi-
dences, but no one had thought of altering the whole of
the registration machinery for the purpose of having the
registration during the London season.—(Hear, hear,)
Mr. GROGAN said, that after the determined oppo-
sition given to all the amendments coming from that side
of House, it would be useless to divide.
The amendment was then negatived, and the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time on Friday next.
Colonel DUNNE said, that on account of the strong
oljection entertained by Irish Members to the second
clause. it was his intention to move its omission.
COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL.
The House then resolved it elf into Committee on
this Bill; Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
Mr. J. STUART said he had given notice of his in-
tention to move the insertion of a clause to provide a
remedy far one of the greatest evils which afflicted Ire-
land, arising out of the manner in which landed property
was dealt with in that country by the Court of Chanccery.
It appeared from the report of the Committee of last
year that the Irish Court of Chancery had a rental
amounting to 1,000,000/. per annum under its dominion,
and that the property from which that rental was derived
was most deplorably mismanaged. That Committee had
examined,' among other witnesses, Sir Edward Sugden,
late Lord Chancellor of Ireland, and the Master of the
Rolls in Ireland, and they came to the conclusion that
there existed gross abuses on the subject. In their re-
port the Committee stated:—" Under the present system
it seems to be generally assumed that the appointment
of the receiver seals the fate of the debtor and his pro-
perty ; accordingly, the resources of litigation are fre-
quently exhausted in delaying the appointment, and the
interval is employed in obtaining, by collusion and con-
trivance from the tenants of the estate, all rent due and
accruing. The receiver is tempted to collect as soon
and acceunt 113 late as possible, using the money in the
interval for his private profit; and a tenantry ready to
resist, unable to pay demands collusively arranged, and
predisposed to batik and evade the efforts of the receiver
seeking to compel the discharge of their subsequent lia-
bilities, cut themselves off from all opportunity of im-
proving their condition : the difficult position of the
receiver occasions a frequent application to the Court,
thereby multiplying costs for the benefit of the profes-
sional auxiliaries, and thus the rental of the estate is
wasted by a course of improvidence and litigation."
Such was the deplorable picture given by the Com-
mittee of the state of Ireland under receivers. Nothing
could be worse for the interests of all parties than the
present administration of the- Court of Chancery as re-
garded these estates, One class of persons it appeared
profited by the present system—he had seen it with
shame—that class designated as professional auxiliaries.
He thought it a great reproach that such a state of things
should exist, and that no Hon. Member of the Govern-
ment, or of the Committee, had taken any step in the
matter, but had left to him, a humble individual compa-
ratively speaking, ignorant of Ireland, to bring the matter
before the House. He had prepared a clause which he
intended to propose for the redress of the grievances re-
ferred to. He anticipated no objection to the principle
of it, because he bad implicitly adopted the recommenda-
tion of the Committee of last year. He had to propose
a short preamble reciting the evil ascertained and re-
ferred to in the report, and then a clause giving to the
Lord Chancellor of Ireland full and ample authority to
regulate by general orders the appointment, conduct,
and reponsibility of receivers, so that the odious system
of management which had hitherto prevailed might be
entirely altered and amended.
Mr. BERNAL, Chairman, asked if this was a new
clause which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had to
propose?
Mr. BERNAL said that the proper time for bringing
the -
Bill had been die-
it up would be when the clauses
Mr. STUART replied in the affirmative.
of andt
the
apparently
u ee. end
posed of.
was about to reply to the
Learned Member for Newark;but
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL
observation
rose,
with the clauses in the Bill.
Mr. OSBORNE thanked the
pro-
ceeding was to go on
Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber Mr. BERNAL decided that the regular mode of
for Newark for having drawn attention to the sub-
a question. He
to the consideration of so important
not proceed.
saw no reason why the discussion should _
ject, and for having brought his great legal attainments.
Learned
order for the discussion raised by the Hon. and
A conversation ensued as to whether it would be in
Member for Newark to be continued. It was ultimately
resolved to proceed in the first place with the considera-
tion of the clauses in the Bill, Mr. STuanT intimating
his intention of proposing his olause when the clauses in
the Bill were disposed of.
Clauses 1,2, and 3 were agreed to.
On clause 4 being propoied a desultory discussion en-
sued, in which Mr. Stuart, Mr. Keogh, Mr. Walpole,
Mr. Turner, and the Solicitor-General, took part. It
was subsequently agreed to after some verbal amend-
ments were added, which had been suggested by Mr.
Turner.
Clauses 5,6, 7,8, and 9 were also agreed to, after
some discussion.
Clauses up to 12 inclusive were agreed to after some
discussion.

Clause 13 was then ageed to, as was also claim 14.
On clause 15, which gives the master with respect to
petitions reeerred to him the same jurisdiction es might
leave ben exercised by the court in u suit with power
to ;Trunt injunctions and appoint receivers,
Mr. WALPOLE objected to the clause, as conferring

on the master powers which, in his opinion, ought to be
reserved to the court. He, therefore, would propose the
omission of the clause,
with the view of placing his
opinion on record, without intending to divide the Com-
mittee.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the power had
reference to administration suits, and was not, therefore,
o.peu to the objections urged by his Hon. and Learned
Friend. He was quite willing to make such alterations
in the clause as might be necessary to make its object
distinct and clear; and his Hon. and Learned Friend
should have an opportunity of making any objections
which he might still entertain to the clause on the
report.
The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses 16,
17, and 18.
The remaining clauses up to 29 were agreed to with-
out observation.
On clause Bo_ being read,

Mr.-i.STUART suggested the introduction of a
clause with regard to the present authority of receivers
on estates.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought it would be
better for the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to propose
his clause on bringing up the report.
Mr. B. OSBORNE took exception to the course pur-
sued in a recent case by the Irish Lord Chancellor. An
attorney had got an illiterate person in his employment
to make an affidavit to the truth of certain returns. The
matter came to the notice of the Master of the Rolls,
who referred it to the Lord Chancellor, intimating that the
party ought to be struck off the rolls, but the Lord
Chancellor had contented himself with reprimanding
the party.
Mr. HATCHELL defended the Lord Chancellor's con-
duct, maintaining that his decisions had obtained the una•
nimous approval of the Irish bar. He believed that it
would be admitted on all hands, that the efforts of the
Learned Lord had invariably been directed to remedy
the abuses of the existing system.
Mr. OSBORNE explained. He had made no attack
on the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, but if he had made
an attack on the Lord Chancellor, he must say that the
Irish Lord Chanc. llor had, been very badly defended by
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the
Lord Chancellor in the
matter. As to the evils of the Court of Chancery cf
Ireland he knew them but too well, and that they re-
quired stringent legislation. He praised both the Irish
Chancellor and the Master of the Rolls for their earnest
desire to correct the evils of Chancery proceedings.
Clause 30 Was then agreed to, as were also clauses to
'37 inclusive.

On clause 3S, the "compensation clause,"
Mr. GROGAN moved, as an amendment, after the
word " officers," the insertion of the words, "or aoy
persons employed in the court," with a view to secure
compensation to the writing clerks in the Master's office.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the insertion
of the words, and contended that it should be for the
Treasury t 3 determine who were the persons entitled to
compensation di coming within the meaning of the
clause.

The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Grogan's motion 26
Against it
... 96
Majority against the motion —7O
The clause was then agreed to.
On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, the
Bill was recommitted at once, with a view of admitting
certain amendments, which were ordered to be prin!cd.
The House then remit:eel; the CHAIRMAN reported
progress, and the report was ordered to be brought up
on Friday next.

Mr. BROTHERTON then moved that the other or
ders of the day be postponce.
RAILVVAYS ABANDONMENT DILL.

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introduce oNduEc
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causes that wf:re pendieg?
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that tho Bill
would not aff,et suits that were commenced before the
introduction cf the Bill.
The other orders of the day were then postponed.
ECCLESIASTICAL PREFERMENTS.
Sir B. HALL moved for a return showing the several
pieces of preferment held by every archbishop, bishop,
dean, archdeacon, chancellor, precentor, succentor, pre-
bendary, or canon, together with the value of each such
piece of preferment, and the number of houses attached
to each of such pieces of preferment.—Agreed to.
MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR.
Colonel SALWEY moved for a return of the several
sums voted by Parliament for the repairs and alterations
of the buildings for the accommodation of the Military
Knights of Windsor, at Windsor Castle, stating the dates
of such votes, and the aggregate amount since 1828.—
Agreed to.

cheques. Tho signatures to the cheque, and the order
far the cheque-book, are forgeries.
Cm:is-examined by the prisoner—l will swear the
body of the cheque and the order for the chequebook
are in your handwriting.
Daniel Forrester said—l apprehended the prisoner.
He was asked where he got the cheque from, and ho de-
clined to say.
_ _

The prisoner—l have nothing to say at 311.
Committed for trill.
MARLBOROUGH-STREET.

ESCAPE OP TWO PRISONERS.—The magistrates have
instituted a rigid inquiry into the circumstances con-
nected with the singular escape cf two prisoners from
the lock-up cells of the ccurt on Thursday la,zt, in a
manner which appears unaccountable. For that pur-
pose they have caused the lock cf the cell from which
the prisoners escaped to be taken oft and submitted to
Mr. Chubb, the maker, to ascertain whether it had been
picked, or opened by a duplicate key. Mr. Chubb,
having made the requisite examinations, stated to the
magistrate that he had carefuly examined the lock, and
that not only was it. perfectly impossible to be picked,
but it was evident there had been no attempt to open it
by a picklock. The door nest either have been opened
by its proper key, or by a duplicate made from it.
This testimony serves to make the matter more inex-
plicable, as the cell has only two keys—one in the pos-
session of the principal gaoler, who is ill, and the other
in the possession of the deputy gaoler. The principal
gaoler's key was found in his room, and the second key
had not left the deputy gaoler's possession during the
more ing.

The Rev. Mr. Berringlon yesterday appeared to meet
a charge, on which he had been remanded, cf having
fraudulently obtained from Mary Ann Oakley a sum of
4/., under the pretence of giving her the situation of
housekeeper. The publication of the previous examina-
tion had the effect of drawing together a host of persons
to whom the defendant was well known; amongst them
were several sheriff? officers. Several communications
in the interim have been made to the magistrate—one
in particular, relative to a statement mad© by the Rev.
Gentleman of his having vacated a house at Snaresbrook
in consequence a difference with the landlord about the
rent. The gentleman who waited on Mr. Hardwick to
give an explanation stated it was true that the deFen-
dant hal obtained possession of u house at Snaresbrook,
but he had sustained an Irish ejectment, and when the
landlord got possession of the house he found the floor
of one of the rooms covered with summonses for debts
owing to various tradesmen.
The proceedings were yesterday del Ived until four
o'clock, in order to give time to the profeasional parties
engaged in tke case to attend. _ _

Clarkson, who appeared for the defendant, con-
tended that the alleged otlence imputed to his client
merely amounted to this, that being desirous to env:re
the services of Mrs. Oakley, he borrowed from her 41.,
which he was prepared to pay when called upon. it
would be impossible to frame any indictment on such
evidence, and he therefore prayed the magistrate to
diLmiss the defendant from the charge of haring at-
tempted to obtain money under false pretences.
In reply to Mr. HARDWICK,
The defendant said he was in holy orders, having
been ordained by the Archbishop of York.
Five or six voices here called out, " They are all a set
of swindlers—father and all; his housekeeper, as he
called her, is as bad. He swindled a person, out of 3001.
who lodged with me."
Mr. HARDWICK said he had heaps of letters from all
parts of the country clearly setting forth the real cha-
racter and the mode of living for years adopted by the
defendant. But the evidence on this charge did not go
far enough to enable him to send the case for trial.
With the utmost reluctance, therefore, he must discharge
him unless there were other cases to bring forward.
The MAGISTRATE asked if any one was present to
prefer any charge ?
Several persons here calle:l out that the defendant had
got into their debt, under various pretences. for sums
varying from 51. to 101. One gentleman mid his wire
and daughter had educated the defendant's three
daughters, who had contrived to get AA ay their clothes,
and had given him a worthless puce of paper by way
of payment.
Mr. Ihnnwrcat said none of the cases were suffici-
ently strong to enable him to detain the defendant.
The defendant said he was willing and ready to pay
back the money he had borrowed from Mrs. Oakley.
Mr. Clarkson advised him to do so without delay.
The defendant produced four sovereigns and some
silver, and gave them to Mrs. Oakley.
A chorus of creditors immediately petitioned for
prompt payment.

The 11. e;. Gentleman turned round and smilingly as-
sured them they should all be paid as soon as he could
make proper arrangements.
The defendant was then discharged. A rush of
bailiffs was made towards him, and he was escorted from
the office by one sheriff's officer at each side and seve-
ral behind.

Mr. Clarkson stated that the defendant was a member
of Cahn College, not King's College, Cambridge.
WORSHIP-STREET.

THIEF TRAlNlNG,—Yesterday John Griffin, an el-
derly crafty-looking Irishman, and Ellen Griffin, his
wife, were placed at the bar before Mr. Arnold, charged
with feloniously inciting and commanding a girl, named
Emma Coor, 15 years of age, to the commission of nu-
merous robberies.

It appeared that the girl left her home, and having
been found wandering about, was picked up by the
woman, taken home by her, and sent out daily to pilfer
whatever she could 14y her hands upon, delivering up
her plunder to her seducer, and receiving each time a
haltpenny, which was the only means given her of sus-
taining existence, and es eri this was denied her when
she was unsuccessful. The man was present on all
►hese occasions. The prisoners were fully committed
for trial.

1850.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

Captain Austin's Arctic expedition received their final
orders and instructions by special messenger from the
Admiralty last night, their Lordships ha:dug generously
fJrwardeil, among other last presentations, copies of
" O'Byrne's Naval Biography," to each ship of the
squadron, and copies of the dispatches rec dby the
Admiralty from Dr. Rae and Commander Pullen from
the Mackenzie River. The advance was paid yesterday
(paltry advance as respects the officers, only one month's
pay, in reality, having been allo,aed them in adv;oace,
beyond that which officers in sea-going ships generally
are allowed to draw). At ten o'clock last night the
numerous visitors to the officers and men had departed.
The squadron were left under orders to quit their moor-
ings this morning at five o'clock, the Dasher and Advice
steamers assisting the Resolute and Assistance. A finer,
nobler, happier, and more devoted spirit never animated
the breasts of a gallant band than was displayed by the
ISO officers and men comprising Captain Austin's squa-
dron. We heartily wish them " God speed!"