The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-13 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON,

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„A hging man not to be coneinced thst the gentlemen
osra,s had been struck off the list bad been re-
t:fr. iteeetnse they were 'Remen Catholics. Th apt m
'; .cal Ittee, setthin the lest te o }ears lad prevailed in eolltie c ts, s, and the press nt case bt ing more or es Ifs eubl'e chsracter tl e eablic were justifi-d in heltev
Itnt4ithat Mr. Keremis had been actuat, d by political
en forreasOn why the ca.se.bad not been brought
in 1° trial was te cause the pleintiff had no confid, nee
went' t4Rjury.—(ll( a-, t te-
he hear.) Ile admitted that the b a
:,
, read by the Soliciter• General, from Mr. Kemmi
~,,
bee'nored from his mind the idea that Mr. Kenonts i.ed
been 'calved by religious motives in striking the nine
Tort'! COI lice off the Ilse*.
sue • ATTORNEY-GENERAL concurred
.with the
If lel IGeneral for Ireland in recommending the
ti°4111)43 ll•mber for Carlow not to press this. tho-
q,°4l;tic, ee nrotested against the House entertaining
tf,._ ill of this description unless a distinct charge
eturrepti,
If
were brought a;ainst the officers of the
11
If Roy course was more calculated than
Mother , ' f itawas it would
he th '0 sl'alse the confidence o cap ~ or .I'l, Interference of that House with the ordoabaereyofoorome-s
betted on insuffi a, nt grounds. lie had
had
he s tie in his Political life with many trials, and
i"
aithrrpsittted to exercise the right of challenge.
11 'fru th''' same rules of law to be applied in both Egg
is.4s- tind Irelend If there were good objections to the
,_'-'ent 8,8 t • be sought for by a
sier,' • em, a remedy ought to.
hs e Inessur.•. With retard to this particular case,
aenuerd the lst ter of Mr. Kernmis, read by the Solicitor-
ki.Bll;,would satisfy all parties.
that it ju AIE agreed with the R ght Hon. Gentleman
in t5,,,741 unwise to bring forward a judicial question
lioned°44, except on specific grounds. The Rightd
gays'"'e At•orney•General had stated that he ha
The re exercised the right ef challenge in England
s etete4B°ll why it was not complaiidd of
einse this
(Lel war? because it was not unjustly exer i dtwo
tchUntr•le3r.) There was no analogy between the , l
on ijles With respect to the feelings of the people
llkels subject. The reason why Sir M. 0
t ucgk off
IlttinPil4B"cle ;rule to prohibit jurymen being
Was a!” the ground of their being Roman aCatholics,r
ri'eseurie Previous existence of the practice. Protestant
:listeuerleY bad been the great cause of the political
41to 'etttl3f Ireland, and he trusted Governmenft would
lite ~,Zr,y Means of removing the suspicions o itie
kr, SA 81 many of the people of Ireland entertained..
heens'.'MpLßlß, in reply, said that the question
ihad
ties, It not on broad principles, but on techn cae•
hal ,; It
altering been stated by Mr. Ketuneis that
she. csiiipst ff the Roneatt Catholic jurorsbimon. 1
lik itit7 their religion, he felt bound to believe but
Irelandll'ry to think the statement would not be believed
itst
3/4411 the „'lotion.
t•
llstet lif',ll, ainianreference to an observation of the
faro itt"nber for Montrose, said that the Orange
rpaGrtey.
irel „It° way connected with the Whig Solici o.
.ne _
ittrathecikt-
~,W...it.b. the Government. That party complai d
;roll e 7 Way that the Catholics complained in the
00 tj:11 then withdrawn.
tt(liitl4,,esteeew°!i,ori of Mr. HUME, returns were ordered_
h, els. A, ite the grand trigonometrical survey of
h'r'etit ,7440 returns of the nature and locality of a
rells/iti nlnrr,eYs undertaken by the East India Com-
kps„ atitis, II list ofall lighthouses, be icons, buoys, or
i-4,01,der-eekkoraid arks established by the East India Com-
iitliheErS, AISTrIV.PRACTICE (IRELAND) BILL..
baringlt')t.,_of the day for the second reading of this
NAboeen read,
It'kiN P-',II:IER had not a word to say against the
it'ik:llt lit-otin",,ing, but wished. to direct the attention of the
eolea unrable the Solicitor-General to the compens
I:Ire ' "t,118,9 with reference to two offices, one in the
re °ea i 'eas d the other in the Exchequer, which
Ittsetstpaertai!!redaaris freehold. Some alarm was felt by
tilt, aropoe that injustice would be inflicted on them by
kilitrh.osfleeBse: larreegement. If they were deprived of
hi,ll,llautithey thought they would be idded to
q ‘hd
man
On the principle Jai ow.n in the Act of
4tle a Victoria. He hoped the Right Honourable
11 Nit
ii, o so, .i. would consider the clause.
t'; ii,e, ,--,CITOR-GENERAL said that the clause
klilikay o'r4Med on the model of the clause in the
eke trod, to Bill. H. had no doubt that the Cornen-
kit 44°114 accede to the claim cf those parties when
1‘,4, an ?mile before them, but he could not at present.h
t,,q4Cr.Pledge on the subject. The suggestions whic
isel,:eeived since the Bill was printed would render
Oil DOPY first to be committed pro forma. He hoped
441 i clt6irlie too early asday for the Committee when
Itio scl Meer,
kteitlretta s-cilay, the 25th.
e gin i 4 sec end time, and orderel to be committed
.4.)01,
0102 OP CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL.
•L'liel-,ger of the day for the second reading of this
re, IV been read,
ato. PrierillNEß said he was as anxious as his Right
k" of tb ' could be to lessen the delay and expense not
_
Olst,d; court of Chancery of Ireland, but also of
t,t,lortii,itr4l hoped he would either immediately _ beforea
t, ttr4 i aid
ter Easter be in a condition to introduce _
illioa. w'th respect to the Court of Chancery of
kt 414,0-laving stated that, he might add that
lky till)Pihi°' which he desired to apply were, in
Nitta, ion' sound and practicable. He must
kteill %171 his judgment, the remedies proposed in
lod'seto,,e,re calculated to do more mischief than good,
the, the more delay and expense than occurred
tea„test; Present system. He spoke without thef
ite;,rettgreiudiee on the subject, for the very scheme o
iot-Pd Fartßls3' N'titior, on which this Bill aas founded,
kt°l4c " the original plan which ho intended to
itilkiktiat:h fort'se reform' s f the Court of Chancery of
It'eti4te term{„ which, after the fullest consideration, he
l'. It'ereSi:" to reject, and adopt another. In the
14tr's,.,betweent tt',ll°uld like to know what dpifferencoto ye!.
1-PPOSite ,-",,,,e Proposition of the Righ. H
iie'llee WAS 6,-"„''' the present system;. at present the the pro-
kd m the lii 'ill, but did it differ from the petition
1110 Ille hitt 'gilt
. lion. Gentleman proposed to substitute,
it:l4llt it w'°Rstories which he proposed to add? de
t:: of a .n4B merely giving another name to the same
"ii,:tteder-cesediri,g, with this vital inconvenience, thatse_
~Itil.`; the ~,-;;; °,Y bill must have the sanction t.i. "atnthie
,ttitseer,
01,r-talon might be proceeded with without ttld%keisit re°llnsel and anything might be inserted
.by
SIT, duo'°',l3llllleree d Again, by adopting the peation
1.54;444 advantageelts,lgt,iliehelar. of cross-examining witnesses
The Court of Chancery of Eng-
t,l'ltotht,_ lteea,lll our tseoata.djudicate with respect. to rights.
C4tl7°Y se"lent of. perhaps, 50,000,000/. a }ear, and
e
La iht 4 might ° adiudicate on affidavits only? s°
m
ph- man}, be convenient to proceed by affidavits,
!It ll tea eases it would be impossible, and. thae
It w 441 ultimetely be obliged to proceed by
tel4llisi/ ktiytt:, Itettlaly proposed in the third clause. to
NI- Pre& ":,nge of the proceedings, to a party object-
ti ie „! by petition, the right to appeal to the
let,4l:teh'lt`elk the proceedings, and the
.Court might
tlola Ile n Order. Shorten the proceedings as they
Nltestea titotild agree, if it could be done safely, but
'oli I w'n PlacetheCourt of Chaucery in a state
tsit ~."itt ,(1 feel uncertainty as to the course of
t„lttli"traßicine of the great evils of the Cowl of
Otis, would bran the too close observance of the rule
Oil d,'e, In e',".° no justice unless it could do complete
OIL tilte tbe'r
~, arising out of the construction of wills
ekte,:4 (teen' rd Chancellor required the production
VI to, ,It-Unts of every estate before he couldhich ande-
,4,hialkipeaco'es occurred almost every da3e
1;:„t0 t°111(111,°_ e 5:7 that, in
andttt present.at
oe in
atawte Of the
parties must
tolt.lts
~niteeeit',7.
r 2 opinion,
w,t. b
that the case went
tt the
nu. 1, tr _ The result
47for,',litc hundreds ofdp,
oints had te
theik,l'ste ,i,,,,`, could be decide whe'ber tho residue
6 i„ With " vested or not. He particularly alluded
41.4,415, r.i:ence to the rights of married women
11se0 might tile present Bill it was proposed that
killa °till rt an', by petition, praying for the. opinion
ttld ollt oil 4 4 special case. The Court might give_
Iliillitof eke
attelk Petition, and this judgment would
to`latAeti ePtrsons as the Court directed ; or in . de-
b iiiO4 "irection would bind all persons presenting
kit, lvt ,it ,
4's• the e 4PPeared, therefore, that masters were
ettieNtteepr'wer of deciding on the rights of parties
t
elapses pr 4141t3ances the least calculated Is ensure sstrteir
seii‘eillillit k °,.:13'. might. for instance, go to a
I Rtit sh rei)t,on in a case affecting the interestsma , Am 'oat
p,oth; ell h,. from this country, while that child
yeai •Oti with" return that judgment had d been given
tf %liltin% „rota big having received any notice. of the
..
t tii i egb."°w be said that that was a syetemr
or ,4td_ e'ar'th
1•14 It ~, lierittti that House ought not to sanction. Acts_
lis: ittr,lk lel' °lt ought to be more carefully prepared,
kill It „teed ill3l°'sible that their legislation could other-
Ottl cat last4 that
manner. Why, there had
di le th
lasiNe eee Year in which, alter a Bill had been
ittti'llajtereihlirke of the session, it had been found ex-
West 'n sit„_4 close of the session to introduce another
thec' Col)ra 'ind i
hei er'''''se °ln Which its provisions had been framed.
hattkt, t et
i.ider their consideration would enable
n-r,otaPNlts,"Ticery, without notice to any human
st '11:t Anil tatif 1,1. Master a case for which the decision of
,it'le f dbe QM been asked, and by that means the
ih ttlrt e6nlictioilon3Povvered to escape from the discharge
%Is ti'cl i , with which it was entrusted. Tbo
fittersl44llls 4.m.et let the master do as he might please
l'el„• jiltnat aes'inlv, he said, with all due respect,
.that
eei .
kell,bY 11,11 P part Ption was a disgrace ts the Legisla-
trssd, 'ltch the °f the Bill was there to be found any
lePti thatle s, ,eolliduct of the mailer was to be re-
-1,1, ti brit
he :It'd suggest to his Hon. and Learned
kiL't ate gill 04ghl either to withdraw that measure
i14%,,f', whip.hat rh'e Of a more safe and practical charac-
'Sts„L4 a„,:ti might oaght to refer it to a Select Com-
tlf 'tie `""4 the''"t come to some more satisfactory con-
stslaill In pr matter. It was his (Hr. Turner's)
th,i6lerciltehi,R°;-'3eed with a Bill for improving the mode ta ,414 aid he business in the Court of Chancery in
iteslra k-i,°f th;r,"°Ped to be able to lay such a Bill on
kiloki'ltt-",.?rtly-.7.'°use, either before the Easter recess,
key ricna",l'er• But he could assure his Hon. and
lit;,,S),'l„4ssi t. „that he should be most ready to offer
Itt;le -sti3r;t':o in his o r towards the preparation
i,'4,4411 to' 'rftmed folt3. I:vt:imilar object, for his only le se r: 4"
the defects ef the present system
iti:ltettOttr.p.
ttiOoklt the .;;011-GENERAL said he was well
thlit et sad e 'ervetions which had just fallen from
4thlellillhltbterY'eearrn.2.d Priend were
.bu. t the commence-
kt betst, ~t). 4n,i
z41,1t II Pasti,,"B '4l. deal
. of opposition to be. given to
till',oo interested and less intelligent
IN esti lala 4,4 eternal Friend upon the subject.
44,11/ttist;riea h '4 that the strictures of bis don. and
Nti`lttr oft his "Yi 443- way convinced him of the
e,listi 4ea pri. withdrawing the measure, His Hon.
rite
.aot,Ela bb. jrl!I had said, in the first place, that a
ha it alp.
,Ivetionitsi, be , • •
n l'rul else the ' a Ise, in point of fact, it
'To a 4 n a bill. But if it were nothing
katltttl tll,tl erne mi'ra objectionable than a bill. His
ti),,,Y tn iu_lthe,e
l',"eed Friend had said that a petition
4_llof e reaun_nri sanction of counsel; but it would be
04 4 ,
toll4te',"
8. provision declaring that the signs-
'l,2 r txon:
.1.111,!aild be attached to each petition.
NI °pet
lin._,ei Learned Friend had stated that
'"el:tleattl °light be introduced into
_

co' tit n. That was, no doubt, true; but it was equally
raw that the Court would be able to erase such
sr:At:l:news. There was this v.,ry important difference
between a petition and a bill, that the costs, at least
in Ireland, in ease of a bill, were in proportion to
its length, while that et as not the case with a petition:
and one of the most important reforms that could
be mace in any judicial system was to make it the in-
terest of the parties who prepared the documents not
swell them out t) an unnecessary length. Another ob-
jection ( f his lion. Friend was that under the bill there
would be no cross-examination ••tf witnesses. But, in the
first Vale, he should observe that such an examination
m ght take place on the deposit.ons; and, in the next
place, he would remind his Hon. and Learned Friend and
the House that so preposterous eras the system :of exa-
mination before the Court of Chancery that Mr. Bell, a
high authority upon .the subject, had stated before a
Commission or a Committee of the House of Commons
that he never, under ordinary circumstances, cross-ex-
amined a witness, lest he might thereby only damage his
oen:case. His Hon. and Learned Friend hal further:com
plaited that any person might present a petition against
an infant, for instance, in his absence; but the inf►nt
would be represented by his proper guardians. and it
could surely matt r little whether or not he was himself
present at the proceedings. His Hon. and Learned
Friend seemed to apprehend that cases would be impro-
perly ref.•rred to the masters, but his Hon. and Learned
Friend must be aware that in those matters something

should necessarily be left to the discretion of the judges,
and he certainly thought that they might invest the
judges with the proposed power without any apprehen-
sion of its being improperly applied. His main object
in introducing that measure was to dispense with cum-
brous and unnecessary proceedings before the Court of
Chancery. The present system in that Court operated
in many cases as a denial of justice. It had been stated
by a gentleman of the very highest authority upon that
subject, Mr. Pembert ,n Leigh, that no mau in his senses
would recommend a party to carry before the Court of
Chancery a case in which the sum at issue was less than
9,0001. Ho said that such a fact was a disgrace to their
judicial system—(Hear, hear)—and that they ought to
remedy the abuses which produced it. But they could
not attain that object better than by entrusting the
judges with a certain discretion as to the mode of trying
the cases which might come before them; and he be-
lieved that no men were better qualified properly to use
that discretion than the present Lord Chancellor and the
Master of the Rolls in Ireland. Let the House listen to
an instance of the abuses which prevailed under the pre-
sent system. A man who wanted nothing but a more
account filed a long bill, stating various proceedings in
which he was interested; after the lapse of three months
a long answer was put in; six weeks or two months after

the bill was amended; a second answer was put in; a
replication was filed; briefs were given to five or six
counsel with considerable feea; and when the ease was
called in court one of the counsel for the plaintiff rose and
said that that was a common administration case, and
asked for the usual decree, thus showing that all those
costly preliminary proceedings might have been dis-
pensed with. He said that abuses of that kind ought to
be remedied, and that the plaintiff ought to have had
the power of asking for the usual decree without having
had recourse to all those cumbrous and unnecessary
forms. The wording cf the Bill might be imperfect, and
he should most gladly receive any well-considered sug-
gestions for its amendment; but he believed that it con-
tained many useful provisions, and he hoped that the
House would support him in his proposal for carrying it
into Committee. He felt assured that, if he were to
receive the co-operation of gentlemen capable of afford-
ing valuable aid in the framing of the measure, it would
be productive of much benefit, and that it would remove
crying evils which at present disgraced the Court of
Chancery in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Before he re-
sumed his seat he wished to say a word upon what
had fallen from his Honourable and Learned Friend
with respect to what his Honourable and Learned
Friend had called an act of disgraceful legislation last
session. It was true, as stated by his Honourable and
Learned Friend, that in the course of the session an Act
had been passed, which before the session had closed
it had been thought desirable to suspend by another Act.
But the facts of the case were not, he believed, of the
discreditable character which his lion. and Learned
Friend appeared to imagine. He had no doubt himself
but that the Act in question had been framed in a man-
ner calculated to attain its object; but as some gentle-
man, for whose opinion he entertained considerable re•
spect, had arrived at a different conclusion, he had
thought it advisable that the operation of the measure
should be suspended for a while, in order that time
might be afforded for the consideration of the matter.
He did not think that such a circumstance merited the
censure with which his Hon. and Learned Friend had
visited it.

Mr. TURNER said that he had not applied the word
" disgraceful" to the Bill of last session, but to the Bill
then under their consideration; and in using that word
be had not meant any personal offence to the framers of
the measure. He regretted that he had at all referred
to the Bill of last session.
On the motion of an Hopi.. MEMBER the House was
then counted, and there Leing only twenty-five Members
present, an adjournment immediately took place shortly
after Half-past Nine o'clock until Two o'clock to-morrow
(this day). ;

TO .THE SECRETARY OF THE

BRADFORD REFORM ASSOCIATION.

Sir,—On Monday the 1 1 th, a special report was
brought up from the Public Petitions Committee,
resolving, " That the petition from Ceylon, purport-
ing to be signed by thirty-seven thousand nine hun-
dred and sixty-five inhabitants of that colony, set-
ting forth various circumstances connected with the
late riots in that colony ; complaining of the
measures that were adopted by the C-overnment, and
of the severity and illegality of the punishments in-
flicted upon the offenders, under colour of martial
law; and also of grievances under which the inhabi-
tants cf that island suffer, and praying for redress,
which was presented upon the 6th day of this instant
February, is a petition which ought to be printed for
the use of members only ; and that a special report
be made to this effect." Whereon the said petition
was ordered to be printed, for the use of Members
only.
A very ugly demonstration. " Excuse comes
prologue ; ' or, more properly, prayer that the
charge and evidence may go to the smallest
number. There must be something very curious and
interesting in this petition from Ceylon ; and by
some of those wonderful concatenations by which a
King's speech, like a last dying one, is found in print
before the speech is spoken, it is ten to one if the
public does not in the end come to know all about
the matter. _ .

The same evening, the 13111 was read a second time
for repealing the Act of George IV., which directs
the Treasurer of the Navy to sit like Djezzar Pacha,
and give so much a piece fir the heads of anybody
called pirates. The Government are manifestly in
earnest in repealing the Act; but they admit that
100,0001. is to be paid for past decapitations, and that
they see no n'aeans of hindering it, inasmuch as the terms
of the Act have been complied with. There will be an
opposition to this payment; and its chance will depend
upon showing that the people in question were not
such as were contemplated by the Act. The Act was made
to put down collections of men of no country and no
political existence, who, in the confused period when
the new Republics of South America declared their
independence, used these new South American flags
for a cover when it might be useful to them, and
robbed all and every body when they had the oppor-
tunity. The present parties, who do not seem to
have harmed a little finger of their assailants in re-
turn, were small independent tribes, carrying on petty
wars because unable to carry on great ones, and not
stated to have been found in the act of committing
hostilities against British ships or territories.
On Tuesday a debate on the motion for second
reading of the Court of Chancery (Ireland) Bill, had
the effect of reducing the Members present to twenty-
five; whereupon the House was counted out.
I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
AN OLD REFORMER.
London, 13th Feb., 1850.

STAG HUNT EXTRAORDINABT.—About tw• o'clock
yesterday afternoon the inhabitants of Camden-toWn
were astonished at the unusual sight of a fine stag, or
red-deer, running at full speed in the direction of
Somers-town, with five hounds in full cry at his heels,
fultowed by one solitary rider and the huntsman, on
horses that had evidently done a hard day's work. It
seems that Mr. Bean's hounds had met at Hendon,
whence, in a circuitous route, the stag broke away for
Finchley-common, skirting Coldfall's-wood, past High-
gate, and thence over the fields to the metropolis. He
entered Somer's-town by Brewer-street, through Skin-
ner-street, Phillips's-buildings, and Wilsted-street,
finally crossing the New-real with five hounds close at
his haunches. He here made a bolt at the iron-gate
leading through Mabledon-place into Burton-crescent,
but being headed by two of the hounds, and terrified at
the number of vehicles passing the Now-road, he dashed
through the open gate facing Messrs. Prior's stove-grate
manufactory, whence, seeing the shop-door open, he
darted into the house, and was there speedily secured.
The unusual sight at.racted some thousands of persons,
and it required the assistance of a strong body of police
to preserve Messre. Prior's railings from destruction.
Such was the curiosity excited on the occasion that num-
cf women and children paid a penny each for ad-
mission to the yard, to see so strange a visitor. The
run from first to last was over not less than thirty-five
miles of ground, and, although a strong field had mus-
tered in the morning, dogs and horses were all fairly
beaten except the small remnant who cams in at the
take. The stag was carted-off from his resting-place
about six o'clock, amid the cheers of many hundreds of
spectators.

- THE WRECK OF THE PALMYRA.—IMPORTATION
or THE CARGO.—Tho steamer Seine, arrived in the river
from Boulogne, has brought 516 chests and 37 bags of
tea, and the steamer Albion, from the same French port,
has brought 1,009 chests of tea, 53 packages of China
ware, and some other merchandise, being portions of the
cargo of the ship Palmyra, lately wrecked off Boulogne,
on her passage from China to London. Another por-
tion of the cargo, comprising several hundred packages
of tea, had previously arrived by the steamer City of
Boulogne, consigned to the proper parties in the me-
tropolis.
An idea of the extent of the mischief committed
during the days of February may be formed from the
fact that the Court of Liquidatina of the Civil List is
about to sell by auction 50,0001 b. of broken glass and
crystal, belonging to the furniture and services of the old
Palais National. Broken porcelain has been already
sold for 6,oooC—Galignani's Afessen,ger.