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London, England, 1850-03-07 00:00:00

SARAWAK.

Mr. riumt gave notice that this day fortnight he
should call the atti ntion of tie House to the proceedings
her Majesty's forces in Sarawak. He also took that
opportunity cf complaining that-certain papers which be
had moved for on the subject had not been presented to
the and said it would be his duty to adopt some
means fir seeuri:iz obedience to the orders of the House.
EWPAPER STAMPS.
On the motion of SMr. SCHOLEFIELD, an estimate
was ordered " of the annual expense of collecting the
stamp duty on rew,plpers, stating the number and
wages of persons empliqed at Somerset House, and in
Erlinhurgh and Mat:chester, in ttamping the paper; the
annual co t t f m:chincry, and the expense of eh rks, in-
c.o link who receive the money for stamps."
QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
Mr. B. OSBORNE wished to call the attention cf the
Hotpe to a tnaVcr f privilege. He had seen tr,-:lay in
tho Mori: ing
Chronie.re ether:i,:i Agent to the effect flat
the'llon. Alunbti- fyr Cambridge intended to call the
attention of the House to a instter tFat, occurred in a
recent debate in that Hou -e. Ile (Mr. B. o.l.nrne)
was competent for the lion.
wished to kucw whethir it
Member to einem cnt upon a former debate.
The SPEAKER said an Hon. Menil er could not
comment on a formir debate without trausgressirg the
rules of the 1111 S-.
Mr. LW ME atkt d whrthi-r it was proper for any nom
31,miscr to advertise in the public papers on such a
suh.Pct?—(Great laughter, which drowned the reply of
the Speaker.)
Mr. CAMPBELL said it was his intention to have
corn> down to the House this day to call the attention
of the House to a matter personal to himself, personal
to the inhabitota of limakium9n, dad pewaal 19 the Um

and Gallant Member for Middle:ex (Mr. B. Osborne). •
lie (Mr. Campbell) thought in wt at took place a
short time ago he had suffered considerable misreprc-
sentati :n on two points at the hands of the Hon. and
Gallant Gentlemar. The first point was with reference
to the intercourse with that Hon. and GallaLt 3lember's
constituents, and, secondly, with reference to language
in this House, with regard to that intercourse.
He had been advised by several very respectable friends
—(Laughter)—that he bad better leave this complaint
and this inquiry until after the debate, which was fixed
for the 28th of February.—(Hear.) Since he had
come down to the House, he had been informed, that his
Noble Friend at the head of the Government, had some
important matters to suggest, and as he was always ready
to make private convenience subserviet t to the public
service, he was desirous of reserving what he had to
say until a future opportunity.—(Elesr, and laughter.)
Tee, at the same time, he must say that he was exceed-
ingly desirous that the matter upon which tl ey were
now engaged should be brought to as speedy a conclu-
sion as possible.—(Laughter.) Several Members behind
him were using badinage, but it would not affect him,
except in so far as it would prevent his explanation.
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Gentleman was
perfectly corer etent at the present moment to make any
explanation he pleased.
Mr. CAMPBELL then said that in a speech he
had intended to make he had been interrupted in what
ho had intended to say, or he should have
been able to declare his sentiments to the House.
He bad received a communication from the secretary
of a Reform Association at Kensington, inviting him
(Mr. Campbell) to take part in a meeting the e. He
(Mr. Campbell) wrote to the secretary to say that he did
not agree with the views of the association, but ulti-
mately consented to attend the meeting, and et a great
inconeelience did so. He had left the House to do so ;
and he believed the Hon. Gentleman the Member for tic
University of Oxford was on his legs at the time,
and he must apologise for leaving him.—(Great
laughter.) On arriving at the meeting he found
that it was not fully assembled, but consisted n arly
altogether of boys.—(Laughter.) After some others
had spoken, be wag requested to address the meeting,
although the secretary was aware of his (Mr.Campbell'e)
views on the subject; and he complied with that request
because it would have been uncivil not to have done so.
A Chartist rose up on a bench just opposite him—
(Laughter)—not the Hon. Member for Nottingham
( Mr. F. O'Connor), nor the Hon. Member for West
Surrey (Mr. Drummond), but a Chartist, who attacked
him because he had a seat in the Houses 4 f Commons,
and who declared him (Mr. Campbell) to be a
fair specimen of ;that assembly—(Loud laughter)—
and le confessed be met that charge with considerable
indignation.--(Continued laughter.) He regret'ed to
find that the character of that House did not stand in
such high estimation in Kensington U 3 it did in other
places.—(Loud laughter.) Great confusion took
place at the meeting—(as we understood the
Hor. Gentleman, who, we may mention excited the
greatest amusement and hilarity in the House owing
to the genuine simplicity with which he delivered his
address)—in the midst of which he retired, and arrived
at the House at the time of the division, and explained
what had taken place to his Hon. Friend near him.
He hoped the House would acquit him of
any disposition to make any false representations.
With regard to the larguage which the Hon. and
Gallant Member ascribed to him, he begged to assure
the lion. and Gallant Member that be was quite mis-
taken in supposing that in speaking of the inhabitants
of Kensington he made use of the term " low people."
He would not dispute that tte Hone. Gentleman might
have been under the impression that be did use that
language, but he did not find it in any cf the repeats
of his speech, and therefore before the Hon. and Gal-
lant Member spoke so positively on the matter he ought
to have satisfied himself that the language really was
used. It was almost unnecessary fur him to say that the
sentiments ascribed to him by the Hoc. and Gallant
Member with regard to the working elss:ei were not at
a'l the sentiments he held about them. The conduct of
the working man was highly deserving of commenda-
tion, while his character was entitled to every respect. I
(Order, order).
The SPEAKER was quite sure the Hon. and Learned
Memt e; would see the necessity of refraining from any
further observations. It was not usual to refer to what
had passed in a former debate is this way, and if any
lion. Member had misrepresented the views of the Hun.
Gentleman, the Hoe. Gentleman ought to have made his
explanation at the close of that Hon. Member's speech.
It the Honourable Member wished to clear up any mis-
representation as to his character, he ought to be strictly
limited to that.—(Hear.)
Mr. CAMPBELL said he would only thank the
House fur the indulgence they had given him, and he
would assure them that it was not unappreciated.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said, after the very simple story

which had been told to the House by thellon.Membei
for Cambridge, it was really unnecessary to trouble the
House further with the matter. He (Mr. B. Osborne)

could assure ths Hon. Member that What he had said
with regard to the respectable people of Chelsea and
Hammenruith was perfectly satisfactory, and he ac-
cepted his apology with the greatest kindness.—(Rears
( f laugl.t?r.)
EPISCOPAL REVENUES.

Mr. DEBDES asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whe her it was the intention of the Government to bring
forward this session any Bill founded on the report cf
the Episcopal and Capitular Revenues Commission?
Lord J. RUSSELL Ras under►tood to say tl the
subject would be brought before the House after Esser,
but he could not say what time tiler Eas!er.
TIIE IRISH POOR-LAW.

Mr. CLEMENTS said he had seen from the report c,l
the Irish Poor-law Commissioners that tin y were in
course of declaring the working out of the commission
with reference to Connaught. He could ask the Secre-
tary of Sate for the Home Department what was the
reason that they had taken a very small portion of Con-
naught, viz., the county of L, itrim, for that commission?
In the county of Leitrim there were three poitions—
steal ones it was true, but not, nevertheless, to be neg-
lected on that scemnt—which seemed to have been hit
out of the calculations of the authorities; and he wished
thtrk Lire to irquire whether there was any design of
intentionally it eying out these tht ee portions?
Sir G. GREY was not aware tl at these portions
not been tenet el The arrangement t f these nr.t.ers
laid exclusively wi'hiu the duty of the Poor-law Com-
missioners, and he was not, therefore, in the possession
of sufficient information to give any definite reply, but
he would make the requisio inquiries in order that ha
might give a sa•isfactory answer to the question.
REDUCTION QF LIGHT .DUES.
Mr. FORSTER wished to know whether it was the
intention of tt e Right Honourable Gentleman the Pre-
sident of the Board cf Trade to bring in any measure
this session for the reduction of the lighthouse dues
chargeable upon sea going vessels.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said tLat certainly when the
sutject of the Trin:ty Board was before the House last
session he had incidentally alluc'e I to the light dues,
hoping to lessen the expenses which now resulted from
them, but he had this session introduced several impor-
tant measures connec•ed with the mercantile marine,
not one of which had he had an opportunity of bringing
before the Douse, and he should therefore feel per'ectly
unjustified in bringing any other matter btf:re the
House until these were disposed of.
DIVISION OF IRISH UNIONS.

In reply to a question from Mr. H. HERBERT,
Sir 0. GREY said he did not know enough upon the
subject at pre:int to give a re ply, but would obtain the
necessary information fir a future day. He was rust at
all aware that there was any intention whatever to divide
the unions.
THE NEW LORD CHIEF JUSTICE.

Colonel SIBT110111) rose to ask a question of which
he had given notice, namely, whether such appointments
as have been made, or may t e made, since the last
session of Parliament, will be subject to iuch reductions
in their salaries and allowances as may be recommended
by Parliament,
,and (specially the recent appointment
of the Lord Chi' f Justice of the Que,n's Bench; and,
svhetl er Lord Camp! ell accepts tLe same salary as Lord
Derman did, viz, 8,000/. ler annum, instead if 10,000/.
as the Act of Parliament granti.
Loid JOHN RUSSELL said that Lord Campbell
hod accepted the office of Lord Chief Justice at the

same salary as Lord Denman—namely, 8.000/. per
annum. He ought also to state that the arrangement
with resre,t to the diminution cf tt e salary of the
office had been made by the Lords of the
Treasury without any Bill being paused flr
the purpose in Parliament ; but he should
presently give notice cf a Bill for that purpose. It sa,
not proper to bring in any me azure w:thout consulting
Lord Denman, and he might ray that this Bill would
have Lord Denman's full approval. With respect to.
Lord Campbell, he had been informed at the time that
her Majesty's pleasure had been notified to him tl at the
salary would be 8,0001. per annum. He might also state
that it was intended to reduce the salary of the Lord
Chief Justice of the Common Pleas to 7,0001. per annum.
With respect to the first part of the question, he could
not state that it was generally intended t, reduce all the
salaries of officers appointed since th• last session of
Parliament, but some salaries would be reduced, and
those officers whom it was intended to reduce had re-
ceived notice.
Mr. HUME wished to know if the pension which Lord
Campbell waste receive had bens Med?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that n ) arrangements bad
yet t e come to.
Color el SIBTIIORP wished to knew if Lor 1 Camp-
bell would still continue to be a Minister ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that Lord Campbell had
already ceased to hold a seat in the Cabinet.

ELECTIVE FRAFCHISE.
Lord NUGENT asked Sir De Lacy Evans vvhethir
he might be understood as engagi himself. in any
event, to press forward to a discussion and division, en
the curliest open day after the Easter recess, the measure
which he postponed on Tuesday evening 'a-t, respectirg
an extension of the elective franchise.
Sir DE LACY EVANS replied thtv it was his inten-
tion to press the measure, but if any unforeseen circum-
stance sh, uld arise to prevent hire, the Noble Lord was
at libc,rry to bring forward the subject himself.
Lord NUGENT said the House would perhaps allow
him to give a conditior al notice. That in the event ei
his lion. red Gallant Friend not considerirg it necessary
to bring forward the question en an early day after
E"ster, he should feel it his duty to give notice that on
an early day after that period be should move for
leave to bring in a Bill to the effcct that all
occupiers c f dwelling-homes assessed to the poor-rats
or trxe9, should be qualified to vote for Members of
Parliamt nr.—(llear, hear.)
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION PILL.
This Bill was read a first time.

KILRUSEI UNION.
Mr. P. SCROPE called the attention of the House to
the sc.cial state of ae union of Kilrusb, in the county of
Clare, tor the purpose of moving fir the appointmi of cf
a t:pt cud Commission to inquire into the same, and into
tilt/ 11"" tto ildopttd its

He hoped that some suggestion might he made, or some
plan devised by such a commissicn to rescue from starva-
tion and the grave the unhappy pepulston of this union,
which he said was situated at tte western extreme
cf the county of Clare, and formed an acute
right angle. The population was 80,000 in 1841,
and the valuation in 1845 was something under 60,000/,
and though it would appear to be a densely populated
district, the average number of acres per head was
considerably larger than in many other unions.
Captain Kennedy gives the fallowing account
of the population in 1845, the Captain repre-
sented them to be a set of amphibious potato
growing, fish collecting, and turf gathering po-
pulation. As bad fishers as they were farmers, occupy-
ing potato land for which they paid three pounds an acre,
although it was not worth fifteen shillings, and subject
to the casualties of the season, without receiving
any assistance of their landlords. Assistance of
Thal kind as a general rule was never given, and the
landlords not only r eAlected their property, bath ac re-
gards their own interest and that of their tenant=. No
wonder then that a population so situated should have
felt the pressure of the pott t ) failuse in 1846 with
moss overwhelming severity. Not only did they
lose their means a subsistence, but they were ex-
posed to the exorbitant rents which they had
to pay. All classes, tl erefore, euffered, and it was not
t be wondered at that when the relit f granted by Par-
-1 accent in 1846 and 1847 was afforded to them, the en-
tire
population cf the district should have rushed with
one accord on the relief works. No wonder that there
should have been a sort of get eral scramble for it,
and that the t xpe nditure on the occasion should
have reachel an extraordinary magnitude. Tt e House
would hardly credit it, but he could assure them it was
a fact, that in the county of Clare alone, the expenditure
on the relief works was no less than 470,0001; and
in the parish cf Kilkenny alone the expenditure on
the relief works reached to the enormous sum of 110,000/.
The county of Clare was most remarkable for the
amount of destitution, for the rapacity of its relief
committees, and for the difficulty with which its destitu-
tion was relieved. In many instances the money in-
tended for the poor was withheld from them and
dittributed among the friends and favourites of
relit f committees. In the year ending August,
1847 the union of Kilrush had actually received no less
an amount of public money than 143,0001. If tiat
money had been wisely expended he (Mr. P. Scrope)
would hardly have objected to its being granted; but it
was expended in a manner rather tending to increase the
destitution of the district than to enable it to become sell-
supporting. In August 1847 the board of guardians
of Kilrnsh entered on their office, and in the preceding
month e f July no less a number than 51,000 of the in-
habitants had been relieved by the soup kitchen mode o'
relief. The Hon. Gee flatten then read several extracts from
the repent of poor-law unions, in which it was stated
that the whole of the business had been very
loosely conducted, that the inmates were wanting
every necessary, that 535 deaths had occurred in the
everal unions, that the arrears cf poor-rates were prin-
cipally owing from the guardians themselves. The
fact was, that the really destitute were made to give
place to the able bodied. In the union of Kilrush,
on the sth e f January, there were 1,250 in the workhouse
but there were 7,000 and upwards of out door paupers
who were altogether without the commonest necessaries
fir the sustenance of physical existence. The system
adopted seemed to be to reverse the natural order of things.
On this point Captain Kennedy remonstrated with the
guardians, but unsuccessfully. The consequence was a
frightful amout t of moitality among the destitute evicted
peasantry. Captain Kennedy's statement stated that these
evictions were carried to a greet extent, and the misery
and destitution lad increased, in consequence, to an
' amount which the House would scarcely credit, unlesss it
had studied the authentic documents on this subject.
Captain Kennedy's picture of the awful effects of these
evictions was frightful to read. He had said enough to
show that a frightful amount of destitution had
been produced by these evictions. The treatment
of the poor man had really been most cruel. The ordi-
nary process of the law was not resorted to for the pur-
pose cf ejecting him from his home, but his house was
pulled down in his own presence, and he was
thrown pennyless upon the work). Captain Kennedy's
reports gave frightful details of these evils, and many
reminded them of savnge -men, rather that, an account of
the sufferings of a civilised people.—(Heir, hear.)
The Honourable Member read several letters written
from gentlemen in Ireland, depicting the destita
tion and misery which r suited to the popula-
tion from the st stern of eviction. Many of them
being wholly unable to obtain the means of subsistence,
and betaking themselves to the ditches to languish and
die. Those harrowing sights were most frequent in the
western unions of Ireland.

(LEFT SPEARING.)

TATTERSALL'S—THIS EVENING
Sia o'CLocx.

ALTHORP PARK STAKES.
5 to 1 agst Buekhound
METROPOLITAN HANDICAP.
5 ti 2 agst Cheetful
'WARWICKSHIRE HANDICAP.
7 to 2 agst Ballinafed
4 to 1 agst Defaulter

DERBY.

7 to 1 agst Ghillie C2llum
15 to 2 agst Bolingt-Tuke
20 to 1 agst Clitichtr
20 to 1 agst Mayors
25 to 1 pgst Mildew—taken

GERMANY.

A telegraphic dispatch from Berlin of the s:h inst.
mentions certain rumours of an unexpected delay
hich, it was believed, was impending on the convo-
cation of the Erfurt Parliament. The correspond-
ent of the Kolner Zeitung asserts that these rumours
are devoid of foundation, and !hit the Parliament is
to meet on the day appointed, viz., on the 2011
March. Th• draught of the Message to that Parlia-
ment has been confirmed.

The Allge rneine Zeiturg has letters from Munich
of the 2d instant, stating that the conferences of
Munich have at length led to the conclusion of a
treaty between the Kings of Saxony, B ivaria,
and Wurtemberg. This treaty is intended summa
rily to dispose of the affairs of Germany. It was
signed on the 27th of February. Hanover has not
as yet consented to join the three other king-
doms on account of certain differences of opinion
between Hanover and Austria on the subject of the
propositions respecting the German Constitution, on
which Austria, Bavaria, and Wurtemberg are
already agreed. Mr. Sturve, the Hanoverian
Premier, withholds his sanction from the Austro-
Bavarian scheme, on account of its want of
guarantees for its future stability. He objects to
it because Austria will not consent to a state
chamber, or to a twofold representation of
the Governments. Austria in her turn
stands up for a single chamber to represent the in-
terests of Germany. She offers to make the greatest
sacrifices, and proposes to join the Confederation with
all her provinces, with the exception of those of Italy.
She demands a Diet of 300 members, in which she
proposes to represent the 33,000,000 of Austrians by
100 members, the 16 000,000 of Prussians by another
100; and the 17,000,000 if inhabitants of smaller
states by the third hundred. In the Directory of
seven votes, Austria claims but a single vote.
The Breslau; Gazette says that the Countess Casi-
mir Batthianv, who acoompanied her husband on
horseback during the whole Hungarian war, and
afterwards followed him into exile, has just had con-
fiscated her family jewels, estimated at 80,000 tiirins.
They bad been buried in a secret place known only to
a domestic ; this man having fallen dangerously ill,
communicated the secret to a priest, and the priest
made it known to the military authorities, who im-
mediately seized the jewels.