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in favour of a system of agricultural statistics, had s
first led him (Mr. Gibson) to look into the evidence
taken before that Committee. He found from the
evidence that many eminent men were in favour of
the views he now asked the House to adopt—more
esPecially Mr. G. Webb Hall and Mr. Saunders.
The former gentleman had stated that the agricul-
tural interest were in profound ignorance as to statis-
tical information—that such information would be
of almost incalculable benefit ; and he had
suggested that the machinery for obtaining it might
Zobahly be supplied by the Poor-law Commission.
Ine Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir J. Graham)
‘lau, as a Member of that Committee, put questions to
witnesses which justified him (Mr. M. Gibson) in
hoping that he was favourable to the motion. The
character of the
questions put by the Right Hon.
Gentleman certainly justified such an opinion, for he
nad particularly questioned Mr. Saunders as to whe-
ther or not a good system of agricultural statistics
'night not tend much to produce steadiness of price.
cif
--(Rear, hear.) There was a good deal of evidence
the same character, with which, however, he would
net then trouble the House. Now he might he told
„tliat it would be very difficult to obtain this informs-
:3°a, and that he was asking the House to pledge
itself to
an impracticable and wild scheme without
going into any details to show how it was to be re-
gulated and worked. But he begged to lay that the
they of devising details did not attach to him, but to
oGovernment. It was for him to show the pro-
fof the principle to the House, and if approved
was for the Government of the country to carry
it out. They best knew what officers they had in
their ftp,
h e, who were most competent to undertake
datn and upon what department it ought to devolve.
13e aPPealed to the Right Hon. the President of the
eltod°tard of Trade to allow the address to pass. It was
uncommon for Members of that House to move
subsequent)
to the Crown, on which the Government
othsequently founded measures and passed them. It
e.r
ceuntries he found that this agricultural inford•
_tatioe
ates ewas obtained.; for instance, in the Unite
°' America, where the Commissioner of Pa-
Presented an.annual agricultural report to Con-
eh It gave precisely the same information which
be tniSrd to see furnished in this country. He might
amountthat the farmers would object to state the
future of their produce, thinking it involved some
idsitii,re taxation, or something more than merely fur-
had ing information. But a Mr. Tremanhere, who
pa
il undertaken to procure such information in five
thtsll,!s 1337 himself, stated, in the work he published,
thou "e found no great difficulty. He said, that
Ivi°lllgh there might be a little jealousy at first, yet
Purpere the farmers found it was merely for the
os„
ae of affording information he had n. o
/irchension that they would refuse to give it.
PeAf°r °lle, was prepared to vote for'an Act. of
The tament to enable them to obtain this information.
tali! ?used an Act of Parliament to obtain a re-
levy :Lathe amount of hops when they wanted to
getier-ittty, and an Act to enum.erate. the.peopsleewfoasr
itif purposes. His simple object in this ca
111;rniaretrr would be strenuously opposed to
escaution
criedPttltioe impose a tax on home-grown wheat.
tli Right Hon. Gentleman would allow
to pass, and not merely say that he
thin take the subject into his consideration. No-
tTg could be easier than for every farmer in the
'whited ICingdom to make a return of the quantity of
4d..at, barley, or oats, which he produced, and great
I,,veantage would result from it. /deny persons had
a vri °PPosed to the taking of a census. Dr. Price,
tiesere
.e eminent man, in writing a book on annui-
tlesiiad endeavoured to show that the population of
forma,u; ntry had been diminishing ever since the Re-
taini,7", and that, in 1797, it was only four or five
that s' If the census had not been taken,
It error might never have been corrected
let:',,ould-conduce to the benefit of the agricultural
ands
aft to know exactly in what position they stood;
for trtuatecl by this motive, as well as by a desire
for tte general welfare of the community, he moved
uese returns. It should not be for a moment
tor`tr.losed that all those Whoadvocated a free trade in
Thostw.eraenemies to agriculture; on the contrary, he
Ile h(s)incerely desired the prosperity of agriculture.d
cline Ped the Right Hon. Gentlemen would not e-
m acceding to his motion.
Be-
th r. Mr. B. GLADSTONE said, that although
it !e Were reasons of a particular kind, which madeh
stlotiPexPedient for the G-overnment to accede to t the
to tin on the present occasion, yet be was fully. alivethe
objecet nriPortance and desirableness of achieving
ilere givhich the Hon. Gentleman. had in view. The.
the _ ?entletnan had quoted in favour of his motion
EnB,ll3inion of certainly the most
_competent.ee. man in
t Mr. Saun-
de. 'nd to give an opinion on the subject.
Pt 8 Live 00l also thought, that proper agricultural
ri-atisties vvorPuld materially promote a steadiness o
price
I\T°Nv he (Mr. G.) admitted the full force of
rnat "eniark---he felt that question was one of corn-
,ooo interest—one which affected all classes of the
groweralnlunitY, and was not confined merely to the corn-
ir
telt.
rHe further admitted that, at present, agri-
-41.4 al statistics were of a most vague and conjectu-
amueseriptiOn. Those who' were importers of corn,
44 dwelt in the great seats of commercial activity,
which earls of arriving at the state of agriculture
„f lcthe isolated farmer had not. He had no means
eachti,!Nviug ashat breadth of land was sown with corn
face, near !'nor what produce the crops yielded. These
assure
"plainand palpable enough, and he could
l'ernrii: lion Gentleman, that her Majesty's Go-
should be he e.reatest anxiety that information
fPr He fd, h owever, the
10,:, oho
corn Lee eare
'tonourable Member wasthat much
if earrie aPreir terms, usive in its and that
mong
the Would excite much apprehension
:rid affairs farming class that their condition
spirit; Were to be scrutinised in too rigid
-,or seine tuner would they, he feared, at least
the desired 13e willing instruments in procuring
hopesln lnformation. The Government had been
v,ould that the labours of the Tithe Commission
is subject sitVlied much valuable intelligence on
had to a certain extent furnished
tac-lutenirunbicatioeshey
4, of a satisfactory and interesting cha-
nt 'V did not give any simultaneous ac-
as
not ~.,e
, Ps and what they had now in view
nenetie,Mere,Y to ascertain what state the agricultural
system
of ere in at particular times, but a permanent
great statistics by which the market might, to a
!Kee egre2, be measured. The Hon. Member had
kleeet,rnaot! Lord Sidmouth having applied for certain
e, o_l on this subject, but those queries the
stnpie Gen
might see were not replied to in an
Planof satisfactory manner. The most plausible
°f the for obtaining information was that
se the Poor-for obtaining Commissioners, but they repre-
iaform „Iffieulties towards the attainment of such
did
of a very peculiar kind.. On the whole,
Gid not think • esti tit would be advisable for the Hon.
eroan
°Ped the -0 press his motion ;at the same time he
taeet Rouse would understand that the Govern-
we,,re not hostile, or even indifferent, to his
atki PS in 4tilee Government .had already taken some
144 n "l matter although he admitted those steps
5,Y mi°attlf.d, to sucCess. The Government did not see
hove means tucans the object of the Hon. Gentleman,.
tow, , laudable and desirable it might be in itself,
aeoolict'e carried out, and therefore he did not think it
PlaB.e ?Le right for the Government or the House to
tif to the motion. He would feel it his duty,
aitiO4a. Gentleman declined to withdraw his reso-
eat 'he move the previous question. The Govern-
re
e had Peated, were anxious to promote theobject
every Triln view, and would seek its attainment by
„ riyans in their power.
'01110;1'-`1RISTOPHER had no objection to the in-
WoulIZI being procured, but he did not think it
thereforee Possible at present to obtain it. He should,
k, oppose the resolution.
4etirraAROTHERTON did not think it would be
Press-hles for. the Hon. Member for Manchester to
fir . motion.
vn th MILNER GIBSON withdrew the motion,
Power' distinct understanding that the executive
the 0134,1_°f,tile G. overnment would be exerted to obtain
eJeet of his motion.
thelether Orders of the Day were then read, and
'use adjourned at Seven o'Clock.
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11(ji. 'VUTISEMENT.] THE LORD MAYOR AND
ttat:TWAY'S OINTMENT AND PILLS.—On the 14th. in-t
ton,","les Stanley, a gentleman's servant, residihngusan (whi'ch"itYin, made an affidavit at the Mansiotn-ato (Staple his Lordship signed), to the effect h
and
qti,t!). had had twenty-six holes in one leg c! kr t„," In the other, and that he had been so afflicted
he
Years and a half, and lately could only move by
'tine h4eof. Crutches ; and from this state he made oath
"intn, -een miraculously cured by Holloway's Pills andad
faii,rnt, after a host of surgeons and one hospital
/'-,iit4bl;t°, give him relief.—Sold at Professor Holloway's
krati,`\`snment, 244, Strand (where advice may be had
c,:t4t,Nhine;„.e.raiynidli I:eydal‘lmnrolsdt. all respectable Chemists through
~....artiq-,•'lttt SINGING •MousE.—About a month ago,
Itar,:i -urYant, a shoemaker, and his wife, residing at 1 u!,
al th an% in this city, heard, for a number a days., a bird,cn-
,el4eY thought, singing not far from the window; nul.
to ein that it was a bird building its nest, they continued
414•1°Y the music, but did not trouble themselves further
at
~t the songster: One day, however, as they were sitting
etaiLitle fire-side, a tiny mouse came nut' from a hole andmas.
}inl4%,3:,beg to warble, and as the notes were the same .
(4 ri leY previously heard, they concluded that a prize
140 ordinary Value was at large tinder their humble roof!
c,f ti! the fortunate tailor in London, who became possessed
litti`e first of the race, they adopted measures to catch the
have creature alive, and were successful ; and the curious
l'oNve Ile* an oPPortunity of judging for themselves of the
ti of this gifted mouse.
he notes are subdued but dis-
llt- tiajnireeemble those of lark as it ascends towards
4filiet4- jt is an active little thing, and by no means__.
kit with mauvaise honte whoa called upon by its indul
eh). .wllers to favour its visitors with along.—Gloucester
i'hiete.
abet; .ritAVAGAIic E.--- Mrs. Barger, of Petersville, Md.,
chill. eighteen months ago, was safely delivered of three fine
.)40'cirer!, and the same lady, last month, presented her hus-
, A
„, With four healthy children at a birth. Seven children
. . reQh.teen months! Middleton Valley must have a soil so
tille:ha that,_Aarried folks will be afraid to reside there in
---"b
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