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dissatisfaction, which was neither warranted !?7_
the facts of the case, nor conducive to o
the
°
welfare of the Church. These allegations as t
partial distribution of the fund, he had no hesitation ir!
saying, were altogether unfounded. But he hare°
their effect had, in many instances—looking at the mom'
in which the clergy were scattered, and the difficn
.1.
they had in procuring correct information on such 0;_11,
ters —induced them to think ill of the verymen wbo I,'Aue
been exerting their abilities and employing &heir to"
to promote the comfort cf the inferior clergy. Ile c°hr;
cathunerdreed in the proposal to abolish the slistinction betwee
might
esperotorpvoseel
teaeffdnedettchuoaamtl mtfhooren
tfchueon
Commission
thatm ise i
ohade
thushit h e ;teen Belled
it had to perform.
The Eerl of HARROWBgYreaetx
whether. the change proposed would effect the objects
1
bvieew. He was decidedly of opinion that there ought tot
a considerable increase in the number of bishops. 1/1
hwas required by the increase of the population. Thctigr
ere and there an active man, by the aid cf them ile's%
tossedpand iaimp
Ps
or t:
ee t Rorkd
n doubt
might continue to exercise an effectual control overd the
large dioceses into which the country ryes de ',O,
:ea; in the majority of instances impossible to &bile
dealing
thought that this ought to be kept in Tier/ wr see
aingwith the funds under the managen3ent e.,rioe
Commission. He would suggest that, the Coorthl. re.
eshomould Lave the power, from time to time, tom ke' PRIi.
mendation in respect to the appointment el °'
tional bishops.
The Bishop of LONDON earnestly recorn m ended
v,irtie.
the Government the suggestions of the Noble Earl.
the Wine"
London, fur
tea, it
r , was more than he could do to attend toth Yth'e
iot!s.duties of his office. He was not satisfied Ba
ader
it?hoesitl9 in which the archbishop and bishops sver°.°„o.
By the arrangement proposed it was ger is.
Bible Bill.that he should ever be in the chair of the °°62o.
lion, and it seemed to him that the Archbishop's 0
esinee would be a mere cypher. 'n the
Lord STANLEY, whle h agreed generallY in d,
principles of the Bill, begged to repeat the recomeie°,e;
ion of the Rigkt Rev. Prelate who last addressed tl'.vir
Lordships, that the Government would take ito t.ueend
serious consideration the suggestions of his Noble FrLi.
the Noble Earl near him. It was quite clear that con
dering the great increase in the population, the sople
tional attention paid to the spiritual waists of the Pef the
o--(Hear)—and the great increase in the number or
....
bleerrgcP it was wholly impossible that the present a'
f the
bishops could be equal to the requirements ° etbs
Church, even at that day • and when the increase ° . _.
population was taken into:
econletratthioent, and the obhPe
tions of the Church with increase, 01;
twenty years hence, there couldar
be° no doubt bull ,shat
would be most desirable that they should do
easing see
that would prevent them hereafter from increAs'llebreed
number of bishops, if such a course would benteer,-
desirable. But if they joined, as the Goverun,: eis•
posed to do under the 12th clause of this Bill, tu" then
copal and the common fund, and make than °nett, of
they would deprive themselves of the teeeort°lll ere-
adopting the suggestion cf his Noble Friend, sad :, no
vent hereafter any increase in the number of bishleir,
matter how desirable such a course might VI feed,
amounting hear.)
He also thought that adding the ePisc Doe
136ounting to 16,0001., to the COII3IIIOII fend, oduce
,000 e., and likely soon to be 300,0001., old Pr •
w . • ion be
circumstances that were calculated to caste alYis 0001
tween the higher and the lower clergy, Which 11°D
f iv
operate otherwise than prejudicial to the interests, ?, Dill
lig(Hear, hear.) He trusted that before the
00
into
into Committee they would take these geggeosuse
ifroomeothnesideration, and separate this objectionsble
other provisions of the Bill.—(11e01%) reed no
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said be ce-
ado
hold out any hope to the Noble Lord that the soggation
which he had made in respect to the non-ainslir
of the
h funds would be adopted by the Gave:omn"
The Bill was then read a second time
THE BEER . nee the
meat Earl of HARROWBYBILL moved the re4F7 the
sof the Select Committee on the operation
Aet 0
for the sale of beer.—Agreed to.
Their
Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 11'
AFFAIRS OF CEYLON• ittee ea
Mr. HAWES moved for a Select Cotilirrnairos.ceit
Ceylon : Mr. Bailliv, Mr. Hume Sir Josboe;',e-ae,
irt
Sir Robert Peel, Sir James Hogg, Mr. Gke'li-cleclei;
Charles Villiers, Mr. Disraeli, Mr. Ilawes 111,,.,1r;e-sto .
Mr. Wilson, Mr. Stuart Wortley, Lord ee
mitt M'Cullagb, and Major Blackall. Colo •ce
Mr. HUME begged to state, before the hut iteti,
was appointed, that he could not expect t'' Wirbte;
would be done in this most important Ottes"l3. of ttt
the Noble ,Lord rejected the recominendeti°eceilee,
out to nor
Commit(ise that a commission should go ° the °Prise
there to examine into the affair he took tad '"
tunity of stating that when bad Preien- Olt
petition it was the wish of the petitioner's° 00e.
full and fair inquiry should be instituted•
ertioll
sidered the Committee the second best thing, cid heeb/
;
but still he did not expect that full justice eoevotbees
tainei. He had suggested that Lord Torringtoof etisereto
interested in the inquiry should have leoe: iotehr': g
to return home, in order that they might n-t
rY -111
to prevent any witnesses that were recesees 00.
sent here.—(fear, bear.) He knew thi/
persons bad been intimidated freej eod 1°
evidence fairly and freely by the 'public ° cecrsco°'it•teti.
these reasons he did not expect. that tms reeelh°
of the be eb(e
could fairly inquire into this grounds
Hto eApirhro.avdse noTt
uh
adrt:siutublethtt
13hmoaeutaginhnst
b thata dCommitteebtetieenrne
litihdpeepliftr_cintOiroi•
nu
roff
et!
rll.
Committee was made unpderer,tehtlet mnolfeinttrf.s;rityohileiiiiii
cumstances at the
pointmeat of the Committee, without
given to the production of witnesses, beer,)
a!„,
his opinion be a perfect face.—(l-1W On
of the _
they now stood the witnesses in favour
could not be brought forward, while thoeit, gee
_
were to rebut it would be easily obtained; the'
the opinion of the Committee last sessioeiof Ise
means should be adopted for the itttendaoe.eo to the
Queen's itivocate and Captain Watson, relsof„00011
prevailing in inthethestovrecitotpee,
but, martialas ilta
wasw th a ss
o wasla t
et then
the ine
thought it most judicious that there should be 6.4, tal
struction of that Committee in the present 001;00
they felt that they could not go through the IS/ TV
that session without the necessary witnessel,'str
Right for. Baronet the Member for Ripon ;,,t tb
Graham) also declared it then as his opinion tut sera
Committee ought to be reconstructed this o,,eslibi tiie„`;
in that opinion he was supported by the r4e-freeog",2
(Lord J. Russell),
for the purpose e'roy
matters, relative to evidence, with the Se°,rheot Oig
State. In compliance with this 40 of
proposal of
ti tbe
Honourable Baronet (Sir James
determined, on the 30th l.lll /blotters
Chairman of the Committee should ldjagY'elee it) 'natters
with that official, the Secretarys ;oar thereuokleient:ieed
to have the proper witnesses ready to be e,S: ettlrt;
the Committee; but, from what, 1) °Ctbstz,bo
he feared that there was a general fe- oion -
wishes of the Committee w wreebsiged.
cow
the Noble Earl (Earl Grey)erewals'erely required bY theog
man of the Committee to support himq in PrectiArirlOreolo)
nesses, was it not a well-knownfact that be ( latotile
tdeclined complying ts ith that request of the 9,3iflobei
he part of the Committee? Did not the bad Oise
(.Earl Grey) state to the Cha;rman, that he beserd itb
tormation whatever, and that he would net • ot
opinion, as such he considered to be inconst:hould
rr
his duty? Ho regretted that the Noble Earl the the
d to t
fuse to give such information es would tep ;on that of
therance of justice, and was strongly of ortpedee''-he
Committee had the power to procure the at-ife t lye
the Noble Earl to give au it forncatiutt refs go 5•
Ceylon affairs which he had in his
hoped that the House and the country wo°l7 e- the' -
tad
appointed in their hopes, for all are of octinte.,tiee
possessi,ornot be. atlio„s.
vernment cannot with any appearance of hie to g
back those witnesses that are supposed to be ti
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the necessary information. h q clis
Lord J. RU.SSELL said, that although Li- cei beeo tir
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad put "5
endefb?Ch
tinctly answered the other day, he vi°"-- lib " I
very shortly to explain what were the views et to OP:
for 00
his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hawes) bad movedd gireZ;ght
pointment of the Committee of which he " the 1-`""biS
tice. As he (Lord J. Russell) understood t f
wean' ao
Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) what be cheirte
—that he supposed by the resolution the Noblel' to
the Committee should communicate to thei, reercetieh
the Secretary of State for the Colonies w't,oo lye
efecordieirpt
the witnesses whom he and the Committee
necessary to have produced before theta. ..6,ooooeAd
the Committee next day agreed on two Zoe. ooti
summoned, one of whom wits Captain ,etuee)fgr.
they had been summoned in consequence.--krpte `„ of
if his Hon. Friend the Under-Secretary o' 1060" iv
?so vase

Hawes) had been told, when -that Jam-tretl;io res°.to
the Committee was moved, "Now, mind's tree old
tion means that your Chairman of the Coostate, co
.have absolute power over the Secretary °to do °hp
is to order him during the next six mootbs4oo ''-',lf to
please, and he is to have no discretion or OP',"O agrl'ael
Learned Gentleman (Mr. Stuart)
then, his Hon. Friend would have refused ' op. f-ht,
any such resolution.—(Hear, hear.) Tbeh th°,ll„b' of
the powers of the CommiVees of thowoutet ft oreimod
hardly assert that it would not be age `:f tbe1:00
Lioutle If io,
were three Committees appointed at the
complete control over the Secretaries of Siad cf the Stbe
three Secretaries of State, eo_er over
of
sion, and that the Chairmen were to have P°r"doring ,l/ of
witnesses they pleased, he was sure that °oil ot.--(00•80:
authority to which the House avuuld eebjehe C° 111-01 d
Lear.) With regard to the proceedings °• ti they If,.
tee, he could only say that when they st" d ev9rl or-
havecility would be given to them by his Noble he Llo°.bitoro
with respect to 0 a stroteeo
full power to summon the witaiesses, Pi!! deo to
I3d
rive at the facts of the case. not if • qUill t V
Learned Gentleman thought that ill the /11 arde• -.
el • disreg thi"
was one rt of the question to be craw ) _as tio 40
and that was the defence—and that theta _ "..,,,, sot :,,,
to be heard on the part of the defence---0 ;mod to rh
hie
condition on which be (Lord J. Russell) 33. le On iq is i
appointment of the Committee. The Prirjolted K56;0.
he understood the Committee to be s"deferice be
the accusation be heard, but let not the
told be
pressed.—(Hear, hear.)
receoe° , Olt IP,,
Mr. ADDERLEY said, it was not usual
01t the
fence to precede the charge. That P
.. yoro• <obi°
new under the proposition of the Nobl. of the P hod
other hand he repudiated the inferencerchairooo,of
to
Lord, that the Committee, through Oral, the head The
presumed to dictate to the Nob!. Earl.. L
,1 1
called. .
,h,
colonies as to what witnesses shouloornl%., anioa_:os
Committee had suggested two names c
_lt°o73%;oly,
nee;eo
Noble Lord had put it as if the Commilheo vitiiately
to propose two witnesses. But, upo _ itioeu
_oint
being menti‘lned, the whole Committce,i to the P ed,
• ces to e nroce .
said, ' hot th-r, a,es other si'it,t's., ind the r fatter'
c't el'-' low, prou A t' tlf, I f for , t h! la w
rovoillent feature
ings by court-martial, which fain so P,Ar tbe QV
of the inquiry." The only fair our" w