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11fILBIJ LOND O_,N, DAY EVEN I XCit, JITL.Y 2 6 , i 844.

- ~. , DiATIIiBUTION OF PRIZES AT v ' POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
THE GOVERNMENT
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(YESTERDAY:3I
Yesterday, the ttetSteA 4A_Acitill'll'n'ii Of prizes to the pupils i
mAzWO/V-14:Otjalk.
of this velltAte 17E41%111ms took place in the •great room of j '
the estaislithrnent at Somerzet-house. The hour fixed for tles ; i.,._ Til!C(ten •VoUng',Womeri were brought before Sir John
business of the day was four o'clock, and t y (het ti_.•.ttt the Ire'y, eharged with having hisaken between sixty and
great room was tilled almost to suffocatioe ty the papas, and Se's-onty pAries Of glats iii the East London Union Work-
large assemblage of Meinhtest a hi-nulled', artiste, aril hoi'itit in tishopsgate-street.
other distinguished neresseegta, amongst whom, teseiie *WM, ! nie defendants, who all appeared in excellent kealtii;
ladies. The sit! a the ion -n were cover: *its paintings
in fresco, Atatviogs -rmxiels, and etbeor: 'iVorks of art, the pro-and not (ne of whom was more thlkik 21 ye or age;
dttetiees a the students, most er Which possessed a very high
'had fre4uentl mused fiokh iii the workhouse. in. Ai. hiefi
slegret of merit. Antse-.`,A the visitors present we 0m,,,,ca ! they twit .edhstalitiy f:l6sident, and made the. place a sort
the Earl of Wes Moreland, Lord Dalhousie, Eefal Whoitie, ' Of heti itpoki e'Ai'th to the old claimants upon the bounty
the Right. Pion, W. E. Gladstone. MA's N i 'o'feildey'o'fth6 iof the parish. The autheritiei had iocured situations
Board of Trade; Mr. Iredehose, ai.p, A. frm(i„s!, tsci., 1 for many of them, thq, tarried up their noses a the
M.P., T. Wyse, Esql M.P., IL G. Knight) &eq., M.P., R.M. idea of labouf,, and swore that thoae Who ebiild aftkit'd it
Milnes, Esq., M.P., Sir R. Westniatett, R.A., C. S. Cockerel!, shottid tupport them. One d dial had been recom -
Esq., RA., W. Dvce, Esq., W. 14:tty, Esq., R.A., J. R. ClA't- I mended to and, rieeePitd At an excellent place, but as
diner, Esq., J. f. (+t on, Esq., W. R. Hamilton, Esq., there wits sonifLhlbg to be done in the house, she threw
J. G. S. Leferr9, Esq., Apsley Pellatt) tui., A. poynter, it no th (i';ss than three quarters of an hour, upon the
Esq., &c.
Lord CALIIOII.NE having. IMieily opened the proceeMs of I kround that her constitution was not ablo to stand any-
the day, called the Right Ron. W. E. Gladstftit to the chair, thing like fatigue.
for the pnrpoett of distributing the pri*th v
' The otesoet' it Lie workhouse stated that the audacity
"f ttltllVt of the defendants was such that everything bad
Mr. GnaosToxe, before pr,..,,ild‘ng to distribute the prises..
made some very gratil:eing observations upon ties ptegltAs was to be anticipated from the example set by them to
which the school of design, manifested 13$ the ptoductions of the other persons.
the pupils, had made within the comparatively short period Sir J. KEY-Why did they break the windows( The
since its establishment, and expatiated upon the important witness stated that the arindiiiiceriient of bed-time was
and useful results which must accrue from it to the extees tut by theni Kith ohe general rush at the windows, the
sive manufactures of this country. A debt of gratitedt WAS glass of
due to the Government under whose elispices
this t whi'eh itot about in all directions.eat ex- TIWt attendants said they had been so lon id the
penmen( of superinducing an meitente in the ornamental arts, upon the proud pre-eminent-0 high this country alight • hash( • ' - _pnit as the
p workhouse, that they looked 1.1 11.
in winch they ought always to be received and well
enjoyed in those more pitrely r)f itt-Itlstry and ingeneity ; and, •
treated. They WN`e willing to work if eligible places
for himself and his colleagn,m, he was happy• tO be able to declare their warm end anxious interest in its success, and weee pfdellred for them, but they could not be expeeted
their determination In lend it evert- co-operation in thetC tit do that sort of labour to which they httd never been
power.(Cheere.) The Right lion. Gentleman elom imAied accustomed.
a high con ,dement upon the exertion of the Qctliitil, and of The cell-..Tman who took the giris into custody said he
Mr• C. li. Wilson, tl•.e director, to wh'et Zeal, talent, and neeer, in all his experience, had met with such a gang.
lis"::..retion so Loo.zu of the success which had attended the ohs S:r J. KEY sentenced the defendants to iMpriStanitlent
jects of the institution was due. This • compliment was re-
erms,
sponde,-„1 to by loud cheers from the pupils, re-echoed by many
penalties inflicted for the wand hard labour for differeantonnt t
misc in default of the
mischief.
of the general company.
The distribution of prizes then took place ; the following is it? r .T. KEY stated that an attempt had been made, a
a list of them:-
few days ago, to impose upon Lady Key, by a woman
Arabesque in fresco, 'being an original design-Mr. Silas who had written to her Ladyship in the name of Marge-
Rice. 5/. ss. ret Cope, supplicating pecuniary assistance. Sir John
Arabesque in fresco secco-Mr. George Stewart. 5/. ss. thought it advisable to mention the facts publicly, as the
Arabesque in oil-Mr. Adam E. Vindon. 5/. ss. imposter had made some successful experiments upon
Arabesque in oil-Mr. F. IL Russell. 31. 31. othet persons, and the exposure might lead to the ap-
Design for paper-hanging-31r. Walker. 21. 2s. prehension of the woman. Lady Key received the fol-
John Brown itn
3/. 3s. of ornamental front natural flowers-Mr, lowing letter at Thornbury, where the family reside ;-
Design for a glass chandelier-Mr. J. Stradwick. 5/. ss.
Designs for dinner service in porcelain, equal merit, two " "Black Rock, County Dublin, July 12, 1844.
Me Lady -Pen cannot paint the distresses of a poor
prizes-Mr. George Wallis. 5/.53. soldiers wife,' a native of Thornbury, that was wrecked
Ditto-Mr. W. C. Wilde. 51. ss, agoing to my husband, colour-sergeant in the 77th regi-
Design for a sideboard-Mr. John Phillip. 2/. 2s. ment. I lost all I was possessed of, and left destitute in
Design for it carpet-)fr. J. It. Harvey. .3/. 3s, a strange country. Not a friend in the world. I have
Design for a silver candelabrum-Mr. John Strad- no means of returning heme to Thornbury, and what to
wick. Si. ss.
do Ido not know, one of my children being in a dying
Design for silk hasiging-Mr. John Brown. 31.35. state since the misfortune. I have no friends in Thorn-
Coloured destas-printed druggits-Mr. W. C. 5,\ ilde. bury to appeal to, fol. they all emigrated to America some
34 3s. ,
years ago ; and knowing your Ladyship's goodness to the
Ditto--Printed drnggits-Mr. J. R. Harvey. 3/.35.
truly unfortunate, humbly do I trust your Ladyship
Best specimen a ornamental medelling-Mr. H. Arm-
stead. 3/, will deem me worthy your notice. Your Ladyship
Clan drawings. Ist prize-For an outline drawing-Mr. never did a greater charity than assisting your humble
W. Scott. ii. las. servant in some small measure, to enable me to return
Ditto, 2d prize-Ditto--Mr. J. George. 1/. to my native home, Thornbury ; for the people of this
Ist prize, best shaded drawing from the flat-Mr. Joseph country will do nothing for an English person ; and
Phillips. 2/.
a God only knows the distress I am placed in in a strange
2d Ditto, equal merit-Mr. J. Pringle. 1/. country.- I am, my Lady,
Ditto, ditto-Mr. Short. 1/.
Ist Prize, shading in chalk from the round-3lr.W.Gleadall. "Your Ladyship's humble servant,
2/. 10s.
" MARGARET COPE."
" P.S. My •• Lady, I am waiting your Ladyship's kind
2d Ditto, ditto-Mr. L. C. Wynn. 2/.
Prizes for the best grisaille drawing-Ist, Mr. E. Arnold. and benevolent answer, by return of post, as I cannot
2/._; 2d, Mr. Lewis Walker. 11. 10s. appeal to any person without my certificate. My Lady,
Best coloured drawing in tempera from flowers-Mr. F.
Smallfield. 2/. please to address, to Margaret Cope, Post-office, Black
Rock, County Dublin, till called for. Ireland."
Best copy of arabesque in colours-Mr. Lainson. 2/. 10s. The certificate alluded to in the letter, was a declare-
Ist Prize-Best chalk drawing of the human figure-Mr. tion as follows F. R. Russell. 21. 103.
2d Ditto-Mr. George Stewart. 21.

" Port of Sligo, County of Sligo.
" This is to certify, that the bearer hereof,
Mrs. Margaret Cope, was on her passage from Bristol
• to Jamaica on board the merchant-ship Lascar, to join
her husband, Colour-serjeant John Cope, of the 77th
Regiment of Foot, now lying in Jamaica; when only six
days at sea, the vessel was unfortunately wrecked off
Cape Clear, south-west coast of Ireland, on the 20th of
June inst., 1844, when the bearer and two infant chil-
dren were providentially picked up from off the wreck
by William Williams, master of the schooner Jupiter,
who humanely landed them in this port in the greatest
distress, she having lost all she was possessed of.
" Therefore, in consideration of her great distress and
present necessity, we think meet to grant her this certi-
ficate, strongly recommending her to those who might
feel dispose l to assist her on her journey to England to
her friends, she being well worthy the attention of the
humane and benevolent.
" Given under our hands at Sligo, aforesaid, being
two of her Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the said
port and county, this 22d day of June, 1844,
" JOHN WYNNE, J.P.
" JAMES WOOD, J.P."
Hall, the Mansion-house messenger, stated that he
had by the direction of Mr. Goodman, the chief clerk,
called at the War-office, for the purpose of making the
necessary inquiries as to the correctness of the state-
ment, it being the intention of Lady Key to render the
assistance required if the statement turned out to be a
statement of facts. He was then informed that there
was no such man as the person represented in the letter
as Serjeant Cope of the 77th, and that the signatures to
the declarations were forged ; that a similar application
had been made in the same name to Sir Francis Fre-
mantle, who discovered that it was a gross fabrication,
and that other persons of rank had also received letters
signed Margaret Cope, but stating that she had been
wrecked in the Jupiter, and picked up by the Lascar.
The gentleman at the War-office who gave the informa-
tioa hoped the aid of the Press would be rendered to
stop the game at the Black Rock, which had been so in-
geniously conducted.
CLERKENWELL.

JUNIOR .
Ist Prize—Drawing of a Masks ASS
—Mr. A. G. Gandie. 1/. 10s.
2d Ditto—Mr. J. Browne. 1/.

FEMALE SCHOOL.
Best design pattern for lace—Miss Dixon. 3/.35.
Design of flowers from nature—Miss IL Dimsdale.
Best chalk drawing from the round—Miss Emma Angel
21. 2s.

2d best ditto—Miss E. Channon. 11. Is.
Best design ornament for engraving on wood—Miss Au•
gnsta Colchester. 21.25.

2d prize—Miss Bragg. 14 la.
For best drawing_ for litlaggraph—Miss Clark. 2/. 2s.
2d ditto—Misa Bridge& 14 Is.

IRELAND.
REPEAL ASSOCIATION.
Dummy, JULY 23.—Towards the close of the proceedings
at the Conciliation-hall yesterday,
Mr. DANIEL O'CONNELL, jun., said he had to give his
usual bulletin from the prison.—(Cheers.) The health and
spirits of the prisoners are excellent, and in no way im-
paired by the imprisonment.—(Loud cheers.) He (Mr.
Daniel O'Connell) said last week that on that day he would
have an opportunity of letting them know the opinions of his
father on things in general, and he made a memorandum,
which he should read for them. His father felt great delight
at the continued tranquillity of the country, and the few
offences to be tried at the present assizes. There were
scarcely any of recent date ; and never was such universal
obedience to the law I. nown in Ireland. The perseverance
in the repeal agitation is also delightful. The present is a
contest between the prosecuting Ministry, headed by the
Irish Attorney-General, and the repeal martyrs, made
prominent in the great repeal cause for which they
are suffering. The object of the prosecution was to
stifle that cause, and put an end to the agitation, or at
least to damp its ardour and diminish its strength.__
(Hear.) The queetion is between the prosecutors and the
Irish people—shall the prosecutors succeed ? That is the
question. If there be the least relaxation in the peaceful
agitation, that will be success to the prosecution; if, on the
other hand, there shall be no relaxation, no diminution of
the repeal agitation, then the people will succeed.—(Hear,
hear, and loud cheers.) But the people will be doubly suc-
cessful, if, as hitherto, the peaceful agitation augments. The
English Ministry can never hold out against a peaceable--a
crimeless and persevering agitation. There never was a time
when the Irish people had it so completely in their power to
secure the legislative independence of their native land. The
repeal of the union is certain, if we desire it, by peaceable and
determined perseverance. In persevering for the repeal of
the union it is utterly unnecessary, and it may have a bad
effect, to hold anything that could be called a monster meet-
ing. There Is no objection, and it may be desirable, to hold
public parish meetings, or district meetings of several parishes,
or county meetings, to sympathise with the repeal martrys
—to organise strictly and universally the repeal rent—to dis-
countenance every species of violence, and to prepare peti-
tions to be presented the next session of Parliament, praying
a repeal of the union. It would also be useful, at such meet-
ings, to organise registry clubs for the registration of votes
in the repeal interest in towns and counties. It it is most
important to have every repeal voter duly registered, and at
as little expense as possible.—(Cries of " Hear hear.") It
may be remarked, that it does not seem advisable to hold
any large meeting at Tara-hill—the Tara-bill meeting of last
year stands so prominent in Irish history that it cannot pos-
sibly be imitated at present, and ought not to be lessened in
its effect by any smaller meeting on the same locality. The
people everywhere should be reminded of the crimes by which
the union was achieved, and the evil -consequences which
followed. It is beyond controversy, and therefore universally
admitted, that the union was achieved-by the grossest fraud
and profligate corruption—by the most atrocious intimida-
tion, and by the entire suspension of constitutional protection,
and under the auspices of martial law. The evils of the
union should be pointed out in detail to every Irish youth as
he approaches to manhood. The fiscal robbery—the restrict-
ing and perishing franchise—the limited corporate reform—
the state of the magistraly, and the burden of a sinecure
Church. Perseverance, then, should be called for to all Irish.
men. Peace and perseverance--peace is certain—perseve-
rance a first duty, and, therefore, not to be doubted. Peace
and perseverance—and hurrah for the repeal.—(Cheers. )
At the close of the proceedings the repeal rent fur the week
was announced to be 1,55.31.

Charles Brown, a musical instrument maker, residing
in Hoxton, was charged with threatening to stab Mrs.
`Anthony Brown, the wife of an extensive manufacturer
of the same description, residing at 40, Upper Rosoman-
street, Clerkenwell.
Mrs. Brown, who seemed greatly terrified, deposed, that
about twelve o'clock on that day the prisoner came into
her husband's establishment, and asked for Mr. Brown.
She replied that he was not at home—he then demanded
work. She said they had none for him. He asked for
money; she refased, upon which he pulled a large table
knife from the breast-pocket of his coat, and swore he
would stab her if she did not give him either. She
attempted to soothe him, seeing that he was terribly
excited.; he put the knife in his pocket again,
but drew it forth in a minute after, brandished
it, and repeated his threat. She watched a favourable
moment, and made her escape. His insolent language
and manner attracted a crowd of 200 persons about the
house, and it required the combined exertions of six
poicemen to carry him to the station-house.
The unfortunate prisoner, who called loudly for jus-
tice, is under the impression that the Queen and the
Ministry are constantly pursuing him, and striving to
mar all his enjoyments, and that Sir Robert Peel passed
the income-tax expressly to effect his ruin. He is evi-
dently demented.
The MAGISTRATE consigned him to the care of the
parochial authorities of Clerkenwell.
BOW-STREET.
Yesterday, among the night charges, George O'Malley
Irwin, an Irish barrister, was brought before Mr. Hall, at
the instance of Mrs. Sarah Collier, the wife of a coffee-house
keeper, 54, Holywell-street, Strand, for indecently assaulting
her.

LAW INTELLIGENCE

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WOPSHIP-STIZE,Er.
steril#,Cpro „eraig, ilipprnan tie Vice of Messrs.
Ptitlkiii hat:rut:has; in Illgh-atre Sharediteh; ,Wheise
former examination, on the charge of obtaining mate* tinder
false pretences, by uttering vouchers for the payment of small
sums, denominated " premiums," and " shaving tickets," we
rticlV, 'Week, vras again brought up before Mr.
fir final , .
. The tiolieltdi tof th 6 Piddetiitiori tii.ijilierd; ',ltd. be.
Atiil4l4. thilt ltig,Ell6ll4
Mr Mttel', who had placed the documents alleged id bti
rorged in his hands, he did not think, upon examining them,
that a sufficiently. strong case could be grounded upon them
to support an indictment against the prisoner, and he had
therefore felt Called tllldri td 6110 it delt, td
,proceed
Any tdithet, with theOid§ibillidii. Ito Riad. eVideike
efinseilitently be offered, and he should now leave the case in
the Magistrate's hands.
Mr. BlNCirtAm said, if that was the case, the prisoner must
be discharged, as none of the evidence as fret given had been
liipperted, ethiflinitiLdY It It'a.o, iiP
dispensable should be produced to carry the case any further.
The prisoner was then discharged, and congratulated by
several respectable friends who were present.
Another case arising out of this came before the Magis-
trate lii the early pert a the week, the short lidetl of rhieh
were as folimts:=A labonting man named john Charlton
Wet Charged With exhibiting a printed placard opposite the
0.41 of the pfeeetetctie the list Cases and thereby causing a
large crowd to assemb!e.
Mr. Lloyd, the prosecutdr'S head StidPithiii; stated that Sit
half-past seven on patilrday eVerlirig, lie OW ti droltd
several. hltrldrtii, Odtile kidiidreiAted in HA of Ills eitiplqiets'
siidii, and, as tle attention of everybody appeared to be di=
rected to their premises, he went to the door to ascertain the
cause of it, and saw the prisoner marching about the pave-
ment, bearing on hiS shoulder a pole, at the top of which
was d large hoard, havhig eti dab side °T it an 'wally large
placard, on which were displayed, in fancy capital letters, iwd
poetic lines, importing that any ladies who had been well
" shaved" at that shop before, might be so again, if they chose,
but that gentlemen who were so disposed must call next door.
The instant the Wittiest shored himself at the door he was
received with such shouting and jeering by the ttlob; that
unable to endure it, he was obliged to retire. Mr. Butler's
brother, however, went out and spoke to the prisoner, desir-
ing that he would move away, or he should be obliged to give
him into custody. The prisoner at first appeared willing to
go ; but, as soon as he attempted to move, he was stopped
by several well-dressed men, who told him to stay where
he was, and, whatever were the consequences, they
would "stand the racket." The prisoner, therefore,
obstinately maintained his position, and although spoken
three times to by a policeman, still refused to leave. At this
moment a half-drunken -costermon/ger rushed into the
shop, and, after using some insulting observations to
a lady who was seated at the counter, flung down one of
the noxious placards before her, and ran rapidly out
again, loudly cheered as he came out by the crowd
for the action. As the street was now rendered perfectly
impassable, and it was impossible either that any other
customers could enter the premises, or those already there
could leave them with safety, however unwilling to do so,
Mr. Butler was compelled to send for a , constable and give
the prisoner into his custody. Mr. Lloyd, in conclusion,
stated, that as the publication of the proceedings in the case
of the impeached shopman, Craig, had given rise to a.great
deal of comment by the public, which was greatly prejudicial
to his employer, Mr. Butler, he wished to be allowed to give
a short explanation, which Mr. Butler had requested him to
make, relative to the practice of " shaving the ladies," as it
was termed, and which was, in substance, that Mr. Butler
being in the habit of purchasing bankrupts' stocks and other
goods at a cheap rate, was accustomed to retail them at a
price equally low,- and that to encourage his shopmen in re-
commending goods somewhat out of season to customers, he
had consented that they should receive the same advantages
as other shopmen employed in other houses did ; but this
practice only extended to three or four descriptions of arti-
cles, and on those the allowance never exceeded 5 or 6 per
cent. ; while the goods were sold at a greatly reduced price.
He hoped this explanation would receive the same currency
as the compulsory and imperfect explanation he had before
given had received.
Mr. Bixonam said he had nothing to do with this, and
called upon the prisoner for his defence.
The prisoner said he had been employed by a neighbour of
the prosecutor to carry the placard, which he was told re-
lated to a hairdresser down a court adjoining, and was in-
tended to draw custom to his shop; but he was certainly, he
said, very much astonished at the amazing interest the pub-
lic appeared to take in the success of the barber. He onlyre-
ceived Is. for the job, and was sorry now he had had anything
to do with it.
Mr. BINGHAM told him he was liable to a fine of 40s. un-
der the Police Act, but as he had acted under a misappre-
hension, and was evidently the tool of other parties, he
should discharge him on his recognisance not to offend that
way again.
IbIPER/AL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, July 25.
POOR-LAWS.

Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. HAWES regretted that the Hon. Meinber for
Birmingham had fallen into the old exaggerations in
reference to the administration of the poor-law. It had
been said that the old law had been greatly mitigated,
but he thought that the real mitigation which they were
to expect from it would arise from the temper and spirit
in which the law would be carried out. In the speech
of the Hon. Member who had just spoken there was a
singular abstinence from reference to facts. The Poor-
law Commissioners in 1839, in addressing the Govern-
ment, had interpreted the law just in the same way as
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary had in-
terpreted it in the observations which he had recently
made to the House. If the workhouse were dreaded by
the poor, it was the fault of the guardians, and not of
the law. It was made so by interpretation and ex-
aggeration, and not by the administrators of the law. In
Scotland the relief of the poor cost as much as eight
shillings a head for the whole population. The law had
been called arbitrary and unconstitutional; but he could
not conceive how that could be the case when the powers
of the Commissioners were all conferred by Parliament.
He hoped these discussions would have the effect of im-
pressing en boards of guardians the necessity of carrying
out this law in the best possible manner. He did not
concur in the opinion that any harshness had been mani-
fested by the Commissioners.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, in the early stages of the law
the Commissioners had delegated too often the power of
writing to one who expressed his opinions in an abstract
manner, and somewhat too harshly.
Mr. S. WORTLEY said that, though he did not wish
to see the Commission abolished at once, yet he could
not help saying that a body appointed for limited pur-
poses was now too often regarded as a permanent insti-
tution of the country. He believed Parliament had
never contemplated more than that they should be a
means of carrying the new system into effect.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS invited Hon. Members to look
at the wording of the local Acts, where there was no
controlling power. There had never been any com-
plaints respecting the improper working of those Acts.
Why, then, should they doubt that the Poor-law Amend=
ment Act might be carried out in a satisfactory manner
without any Commissioners to superintend its working?
What was the expense attendant upon this Commission?
The Secretary of State for the Home Department and
his two secretaries cost the country 26,000/. ; the Co-
lonial Secretary and his two under-secretaries cost it
24,0001. ; but the cost of this Commission amounted to
more than both these sums, namely, 53,0001.
Mr. MILNES asked those who had paid attention to the
working of this Commission whether it had not striven
rather to discourage than to promote the exercise of vo-
luntary charity ? (Hear, hear.) He believed the prin-
ciple of the poor-law would never be favourably received
in this country, unless it were felt that it was but the
minimum of what the State thought it right that the poor
should obtain from their richer fellow-subjects.
Captain PECHELL said the continuance of the
Commission was defended on the ground that they had
other duties devolved on them besides the administra-
tion of the poor-law ; but, in his judgment, that defence
was very unsatisfactory: Such additional duties formed
He was in favour of the abolition of the Board of Com-
missioners, groundsi
on e
rs,
becausefor
he
e 'thought
Poor-law Commission:
the law could be more
satisfactorily carried out without their interference.
Mr. BCE said the praise bestowed by the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Seeretary of State on the
Commission all seemed to rest on its having counteracted
the principles which gave it birth.
Mr. NEWDIGATE said he should vote with the,
Hon. and Gallant Officer ; but, considering the period
too short within which it was proposed to abolish the
Commission, if the motion were carried, he should him-
self afterwards propose its elongation.
Colonel SIBTHORP said he had every respect for the
present members of her Majesty's Government. They
were the best Administration which had ever existed since
he bad sat in that House. They were, no doubt, honour-
able men, and sensible men—they were sometimes much
too sensible for himself.—(Hear, hear.) But he must
oppose their measures when he disapproved of them,
and he certainly felt it his duty to do so in the present
instance.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause
Against it
Majority —73
Mr. VERNON SMITH proposed that the following
clause, which was read a first and second time, and
agreed to, be added to the Bill. To insert after
clause 55, " And be it enacted, that if the board of
guardians of any parish or union make application to
the said Commissioners, to direct the appointment of a
paid collector of the poor-rates in such parish or union,
or in any parish or parishes of such union, it shall be
lawful fur the said Commissioners, by order under their
hands and seal, to direct the said board of guardians to
appoint such a collector ; and the said Commissioners
shall have the same powers with respect to
such collectors as are given to them by the said first
recited Act with respect to paid officers, or of
any persons other than the board of guardians of such
parish or union to appoint any such collector, and (ex-
cept when otherwise directed by the said Commis-
sioners) all appointments under such powers shall cease."
The Earl of ARUNDEL moved the following clause:—
" And be it enacted, that the Commissioners do and
shall order boards of guardians to take measures for
allowing till paupers, not being members of the Church
of England, to attend their respective places of worship,
when within reasonable distance, at all reasonable times."
Sir J. GRAN A.M felt that every facility ought to
be given to Roman Catholics in workhouses to attend
their respective places of worship, and he should be wil-
ling to attend to any representations which might be
made upon the subject. Instructions had been given by
the Poor-law Commissioners to secure the object sought
by the Noble Lord, and he hoped that under these cir-
cumstauces the clause would not be pressed.
Mr. ESCOTT hoped the Noble Lord would press the
clause,

Mr. VERNON SMITH said that he did not think
the Right Hon. Gentleman could be charged with in-
consistency if he found reason to alter his opinion, but
the Right Hon. Gentleman had not attempted to argue
the question. He merely said that the Bishop of London
and others had induced him not to put the views he for-
merly entertained into practice. He thought the House
would do better to rely on the arguments which the
Right Hon. Gentleman used in 1841, than on the reasons
which he had given for not carrying those views into
effect.
Mr. CHILDERS and Mr. M. Mu.NEs supported the
clause.
Mr. T. EGERTON opposed the proposition for im-
posing a tax for the education of children other than
paupers.
Mr. DARBY also opposed the clause as impracticable.
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN replied, and after stating
that, though unsuccessful, he could not regret the turn
the discussion had taken, withdrew the clause.
Sir J. GRAHAM in moving the introduction of two
clauses, one to enable guardians to enter schools and
asylums as visitors, and to record their opinion of what
they saw, and the other to remove technical difficulties,
said that it might be convenient if he should state to the
House the course he intended to pursue. After the two
clauses he had now proposed were agreed to, he should
propose that the further consideration of the
report should be postponed to a future hour of
the day, and that as soon as they had gone through
Committee on the Controverted Elections Bill, then
he should propose that the first business be to pro-
ceed with the further consideration of the Poor-law Bill
The clauses were then agreed to.
On the motion of Mr. ELPHINSTONE Archbutt's
Divorce Bill was read a third time and passed.
Sir J. R. REID presented a petition from Trelawney,
Jamaica, against any reduction in the differential duties
on foreign sugar.

Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liverpoo]
in favour of the County Courts Bill.

NOTICES OF MOTION.

Captain BERNAL gave notice that, on Tuesday next,
he should move for copies of all letters or instructions
written to Lord Heytesbury relative to the disposal of
Church patronage in Ireland.

GAME-LAWS.
Mr. BRIGHT gave notice, that early in the next
session of Parliament, he would move for a Committee
to inquire into the effect of the game-laws, and the
amount of agricultural produce that was consumed in
this country by game ; and also to inquire into the effect
of the game-laws on the moral condition of the agricul-
tural labouring population. '
Captain PECUELL moved for a return of all union
workhouses under the Poor-law Amendment Act, in
which mills or machinery for grinding or crushing bones
have been erected or placed, with the date of such erec-
tion or placing, and the names of the chairman and vice-
chairman of the board of guardians of every such union
at the period. Also, the cost of the said bones, includ-
ing all expenses of carriage, and other incidental ex-
penses, and the amount which the same have pro-
duced in their manufactured state, and whether the
same have been sold by tender, or at a fixed price, or
otherwise.—Ordered.

Mr. DARBy wished to see the principle which the
Noble Lord advocated carried out to the full extent.
Mr. P. HOWARD supported the clause.
• Mr. V. SMITH would recommend his Noble Friend,
after the assurance given by the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Sir J. Graham), not to press the clause to a division.
.'The c!4use was then withdrawn.
•141 r: SNVIITITEN then proposed a clause which he
had postponed in the morning,
namely, "Provided
always, and be it further enacted, that whenever it shall
appear to the board of any district school that the space

Within such school i 3 mete tlatin itifficient for the acconi-•
modation of poor children within itie giitrici for Which
such school shall have been'built, it shall and MdY 1)4
Idwful fot sah
.hoard, subject to the approval of the
Poor-law Commissional's; to Make oirder for the admis-
sion of so many other children reSiclint n the said dis-
trict as shall seem expedient to such board ;
the weekly provision for the maintenance and educa-
tion Of such ffhildren shall be fixed by the board at such
fate ag Shall iti their judgment be amply sufficient to
cover every eipeiise eti aCceuht of such children." He
did not think, if the Right Hon, Getitlettlati should con-
sent to the admission of this clause, that he eatild hate
cause to regret it.
Sif 3 GRAHAM thought this was not a proper time
to resume a discussion I±t the important question of the
national education of the poor. fin thought this sub-
ject had, during the discussions on this Dill in
the, present session, been fully and sufficiently argued,
and yet at thtl end of a protracted discussion the Hon.
Gentleman again opened this question. If the clause of
the Hon. Member for NorthamptdhShirc were agreed
to, it would hold out expectations that educatibli was to
be provided for the poor children of the district beyond
the hunted nttrnber to be educated in the union work-
houses. It would °Ago have the effect of destroying the
means of education for the children of the industrious
labourers, for their children would be withdrawn from
the sehools in which they now received education. He
felt it to be his duty most firmly to oppose the clause.
HAWES /vas surprised that the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman so decidedly opposed the clause now, the prin-
ciple of which he countenanced an a former @tension.
He did not oppose the clause on the ground of expense.
The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government
had eittetAined views similar to those which were ea!,
bodied in the clause of the Honourable Member for
Northampton.
Sir R. PEEL said he intended to support the *dews of
his Right Hon. Friend. He confessed he was strongly
inipreSSed originally in favour of the clause. It ap-
peared to him that it itctild be an advantage to give an
opportunity to the parents of podt dlilldrpi to afford them
the benefits of education when they could riot ethenvise
receive it. He could not attach much weight to the
objection of its being unfavourable to the Esta-
blished Church, for he thought it was beneficial, on
the whole, to the Church, that the principles of
religion should be inculcated into the children. On
communication with others, however, he found that by
giving the least facilities to education in district schools,
they would be rather impeding the voluntary principle
for the purposes Of education—that they would be more
likely to check individual efforts for education, than pro-
mote the sum total of it. He was therefore unwilling to
act on his own impressions and the views he expressed
in 1841.

The order of the day for the further consideration of
the Poor-lave Amendment Bill was then read.
Sir J. GRAHAM proposed certain verbal alterations
in several clauses, which were agreed to.
Ca,ptain PECHELL moved the omission of clause 11,
whim) placed parish apprentices under the control of the
Poor-law Commissioners. He considered the whole
clause was totally inapplicable to the sea service. The
clause was not only looked upon as an interference by
boards of guardians, but by the mercantile service.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the clause had
been fully considered and discussed on a former occa-
Edon, end he could not, therefore, consent to its omis-
sion. The datise was not intended to apply to merchant
seamen appreetices. It was intended to introduce a
Seamens Service Amendment Act, which would con-
tain a clause that would altogether supersede this clause,
so that the Gallant Officer need not entertain any ap-
prehension of lobe interference of the Poor-law Commis-
sioners. He hoped the House would adhere to the
opinion of the Committee, and not allow the clause to
lie admitted.
Mr. WAHLEY considered the clause about the best
in the Bill. It %NIS inserted, he was convinced, from
feelings of humanity, and all he was afraid of was, that
it did not go far enough. The clause was a most ame-
liorating clause, and one for which Ministers ought to
receive the commendation of that side of the House, and
not their opposition. He trusted the House would re-
tain the clause, under the conviction that something
more would be done for a class of persons who were the
most ill-used in the empire.
Captain PECHELL then withdrew his amendment
without a division. The Gallant Member then pro-
posed a proviso to the effect that the Act should not apply
to poor persons bound to the sea service, or interfere
with the Merchant Seamens Act.
Sir J. GRAHAM would consent to the proviso as far
as it related to the nun interference with the Merchant
Seamens Act.
The proviso, as amended, was then agreed to.
Sir J. GRAHAM then proposed certain verbal
amendments in clause 20. The words in that clause
were so wide, that they might lead to abuse. The altera-
tion he proposed had met with the sanction of his Hon.
Friend the Member for Norfolk.
The clause, as amended, was then agreed to.
Mr. WAKLEY should like to see the clause in print
before he decided on it, and asked when the Bill would
be read a third time ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said the Bill would be read a third
time to-morrow ; but if there should be any doubt on the
matter, he was ready to lay the clause on the table in
order hat it should be printed and in the hands of Hon.
Members before it passed. The clause had the full con-
currence of the Hon. Member for Norfolk.
Mr. WAKLEY implicitly believed that the Right.
Hon. Gentleman fully intended to give effect to the
clause, but he was not sure that, as altered, it would be
sufficient for the purpose. If the Right Hon. Gentleman
would assure him of that fact, he would not say another
word on the matter.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the clause, as worded by the
Hon. Member for Norfolk, would have been wholly in-
operative, and for that reason alone he had altered it.
He suggested that, perhaps, it would be better he should
have the clause printed to-night, and placed in the hands
of Hon. Members, and any objections to it might be
urged to-morrow.
The words were then inserted pro forma, and agreed
to the clause to be passed to-morrow.
Mr. HAWES then moved the addition of a clause
regulating the power of the Commissioners with respect
to the payment of disputed accounts. As there was
some difficulty in wording the clause, the Hon. Member,
after some conversation, withdrew it, in order to move
it in an amended form on the third reading.
Captain PECHELL then moved the insertion of the
following clause :—" Provided always, that when the
relief of the poor has been hitherto administered in any
parish or parishes by guardians or directors appointed
under a local Act, and not by overseers of the poor, if
such parish or parishes according to the last enumeration
of the population, published by authority of Parliament,
contain more than 20,000 persons, it shall not be lawful
to include such parish or parishes in any such district
for the audit of accounts ; and in every such parish or
parishes, provided such parish or parishes have not at
present auditors elected under the provisions of an Act
passed in the second year of the reign of King William
the Fourth, intituled, An Act for the better re-
gulation of Vestries, and the appointment of Au-
ditors of Accounts in certain parishes of England and
Wales,' the ratepayers thereof shall, within forty days
after the passing of the Act, proceed to elect in vestry
some one person who shall thenceforward act as sole
auditor of all accounts whatsoever of any guardians or
directors, vestrymen, or other officers or boards having
any control over any part of the parochial expenditure
of such parish or parishes relating to the poor, and they
shall fix a salary to be paid to such auditor out of the
poor-rate of such parish or parishes, and such auditor
shall continue in office until he be dismissed by the
guardians or directors • and every auditor so appointed
shall exercise and fulfil, with regard to all the accounts
of such parish or parishes, all rights, powers, and duties
to be exercised and fulfilled by auditors to be appointed
under the authority of this Act ; provided also, that
the accounts of such parish or parishes shall be audited
once, at least, in every six months (that is to say), after
the 25th day of March and the 20th day of September,
in every year, after due notice given in the manner
hereinbefore provided."
Lord A. HERVEY seconded the clause. He did not
want to deprive the Commissioners of the powers which
they now possessed, but he hoped he would not be ac-
cused of factious opposition if he resisted the extension
of their power. The effect of the audit clause in the pre-
sent Bill was to deprive all populous parishes governed
by local Acts from having the control of their own ac-
counts. This would entirely annihilate the independence
of those places which were governed by local Acts.
There was nothing in the mode in which those places
under local Acts were governed to justify the Committee
in depriving them of the control over their accounts. He
knew this was the case in the place he had the honour of
representing. He trusted that the Right Hon. Baronet
would alter his opinion on this subject while there was
yet time.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said that he could scarcely regret
the renewal of this discussion, since it afforded them the
'opportunity of listening to the excellent speech of his
Noble Friend. But he could not, after folly considering
the subject, agree to the proposition of the Hon. and
Gallant Member, which was so well supported by his
noble colleague. Both the Hon. Members for Brighton
referred to the excellent way in which the accounts of
the town of Brighton were managed. He was placed in
a cross fire between them, but it did so happen that he
had an account of a meeting, held in Brighton on the
21st, in which, on Mr. Holford, who had been auditor,
made a speech. He did not know to what party Mr. Hol-
ford belonged; but that gentleman,in his speech, said that
there were a great many items in the accounts which
were unauthorised by law ; that the expenses of getting
up meetings and petitions were paid out of the rates ;
that on one occasion 50/. had been raised to pay certain
expenses of going to Court—(Laughter)—and that he
knew hundreds and thousands had gone through their
hands for matters which he was certain were illegal.
It was not enough that the ratepayers should have the
power of appointing an auditor, the question was who
should have the power of dismissing him ? He hoped
the House would confirm the decision to which it had
already come, by a large majority.
Mr.:WILLIAMS regretted that the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet had expressed his intention to stand by the Bill in
its present shape. The great objection to the Govern-
ment clause was, that it introduced an officer into
parishes to be paid out of the rates, at the discretion of
the Poor-law Commissioners.
Mr. DARBY opposed the clause.
Mr. MUNTZ supported the clause. He did not know
any one who could be so safely intrusted with this mat-
ter as the ratepayers themselves.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For Captain Pechell's clause
Against it
Majority against the clause —42
Captain PECHELL admitted that, although the
Right Hon. Gentleman had not consented to all the
alterations proposed, he had conceded many of them.
He should offer no further opposition to this Bill, think-
ing it desirable that it should now pass through the
House as speedily as possible.
The Bill was then ordered to be engrossed, and read
a third time to-morrow.
The Joint Stock Companies Registration and Regula-
tion Bill was brought up for a third reading.
The Bill was read a third time and passed.
RAILWAYS BILL.
Mr. GLADSTONE moved the order of the day for
third reading of the Railways' Bill.
This Bill was also read a third time and passed, after
one verbal alteration.
The Earl of LINCOLN moved the third reading of
the Duchy of Cornwall Bill.—lt was read a third time
and passed.
The Duchy of Cornwall Lands Bill was also read a
third time and passed.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved the third reading of the Lec-
turers' and Parish Clerks' Bill.—lt was read and passed.
Sir G. CLERK moved the third reading of the Three-
and-a-Half per Cents. Bill. It also was read and passed.
The Report on the Turnpike Trusts' Bill was brought
up and received.
Sir J. GRAHAM mentioned some alterations which
he had made in this Bill, the most important of which
were the obliteration of clauses 7,9, and 95 from the
Bill ; also the power given to Turnpike Boards in clause
85. The alterations also gave the Commissioners in-
creased powers over trusts. Also other alterations of a
merely verbal nature.
Mr. COLLETT wished to know what interest was to
be paid for the 25,0001. proposed to be raised by the Bill.
Sir J. GRAHAM replied, five guineas per cent.
Mr. VIVIAN expressed his satisfaction at the altera-
tions which had been effected in the Bill by the Right
Hon. Baronet.

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For the re-insertion of the clause
Against it
Majority
The Bill was then passed.
NEGRO PETITION—SUGAR DUTIES. bod
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from $ y, ato
of his fellow-subjects, who, although lately adwitte ~r
the rights of men, had not before this ventured invois
preach the Legislature as petitioners. The petition, of
from the negro merchants, planters, and laboureft;tio
Trelawney, in Jamaica, against the reduction of tile,"„tion
on foreign sugar, on the ground that such reeLl-se of
would encourage slave-holding States at the exPiento s
the British colonies, which would be expose"
ruinous competition.
UNLAWFUL OATHS (IRELAND) BlLF'ile of
ding
A NOBLE MARQUIS hoped that the third rea
the Unlawful Oaths Bill would be postponed till MI the
in order that the House might be in possession tt).(; the
determination of the Government with respect I. coo'
persons who had lately been tried in Ireland ombs.
spiring to accuse others of administering unlawful
SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT'
ow the
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, fr good
Mayor and Corporation of Sudbury, praying to be for
the expenses incurred by them in opposing the vie h,,a
the disfranchisement of their borough. As the o°Vd, he
no funds out of which the expenses could be Pe -so,lis"
hoped the Noble Lord opposite (the Marquis °,` whose
bury), who had encouraged the petitioners, and
charity•was well known, would pay the expenset_nas ?
The Marquis of SALISBURY—Out of what it'
oelcut'
Lord BROUGHAM—Out of your own P
(Great laughter.)
The petition was 'ultimately withdriwn.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE- ,ice that
Lord REDESDALE moved, according to ne',,,nait.ece
the standing order, which requires the al: 131110,
of fin Peers on Committees on Privaw