The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-31 00:00:00

Member
sf.!l back ohroouol.d hlatvlbe t somethi
ngr
views of the constitution which the Hoe. Member, as_
expressed, but they ought not to blind themselves fru: tt.
moment as to whet his views were. The Monett holv_
yindesthi
reabbi:ct",c)gfroonuonsvd.ins_l
Member, in faet, proposed that their deliberarrhtuo
should proceed without reference to history or rega
precedent. It was plain that instead of discussieVio
idea; in detail, they should sit as an absolutelyi decto ito
assembly, with no barrier to its will, no oppos-t-enuted
decrees, and before which all the states and consn
lendies of this country should bow.
It in
past
:each a thing was desirable, but all hecouirsab;
ei is
that he, at least, was not one to desire it. ImPedinl•aci.
in the way of legislation, and the delay alwaYs I a
dental to the progress of large measuree, they
familiar with; but he thought let that the sum of
under their constitution was so great, their institudtveleith
so valuable, and their fruits so precious, as colnPare hieh
those derived from other forms of government a', 01.,
were recorded in ancient and modern history, th.7dl
though he would not declare them to bo deo egah
werecoad
iaferior, still he would not lightly
sures of change and resistance.—(Hear, hear.) Hi be
ways consideted that existing laws should
°I)
ulblic
changed when the change was obviously for the p
good; and in this view he had always acted 00114:
to the prospect before him—according to the conatit.s
embrace
_Ts.,
Lion which he did not frame, but under which he :h..'
bore, and which he certainly did not wish to oveture. _
(Che'rs.) It was proposed, some time ago, that
st,_:
most important change should be made in the con.
tires of the House of Commons. He was not dip.Uletiti:
by reverses; but, after ten years of discussion gnu ;vs
beration, he had the satisfaction of seeing
of Parliament adopted. He did not say be disrega_7o,
all respect for the constitution, because the Bill
adopted at once.--(dear.) Then he proposed a 0;7°7,,
of great consequence with respect to religious was sue.
namely, the Corporation and Test Acts. fle elseet be
a great
aided
cessful in his fires attempt to repeal those laws, utt,n,
had in the first instance, by way cf compromise,
in the
rented to the substitution of a declaration. Theect luakee
commutation of tithes, ha remembered that the Pe eiet
and some Hon. Members did him the honour to f 1,13;00
out that his measure did not meet the wishes o,od to
exactly whom it most concerned. He oues°% the
their proposition, and by that means securen
enactment of his measure. He might tneeti°„aegb
rious other matters, but this be thought was s-little
to show that great good might arise from do.
timely sacrifice cf pride and extent of original inteahoe
The Honourable Gentleman appeared not o
ea hie
forgotten the words in which he once eta wed
opinion that the Honourable Member eater}
narrow views on certain points. The Honourable
her seemed on that occasion, us he frequently bade; a
to think that the aristocracy of this country wod be
class quite independent of others in the countrYlo get
said he thought that was a narrow view of t
question. trouble
Mr. BRIGHT—I can save the Noble Lord the .0 tbe
of the rest of' the illustration. I was not referring :1 dig'
matter he has been speaking of, but to the untgehe COa-
tribution of the representatives of the people in I"
fait ueracipit.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—It was a matter of Ile oel
Lion. Ile (Lord John Russell) was *peaking °l,f 11:1113°
learning in the Church or in the law, or of etue•all el
had achieved distinguished positions in arms' ;fibs
whom had arrived at some of the highest honourseersel
Peerage, and formed as proud a part of the aristy'',lo.
es any who could claim descent from an aueie7lT ea
He thought, and maintained, that it Ices
_,l3c4atiO of al,
unfounded fact, contrary to all they had re- Ole"
history, and were seeing every day, and cue effect,
if believed, would have a miscbievotia St
and by the ultimate disunion of class:oloe
which it aimed, would ultimately keel to the char.
subversion of the constitution at present exil/eieber
was for that reason that ho thought the Han' .ag
the
fir Manchester was quite mistaken in considerlty
aristocracy as a part of the community disti",ese se
vided from the res,. On the coetrary, they ac;„10 At
completely and desirably connected with the Peofeeted
large, that their ranks were continually being ~,,aahg 000.
b the most meritorious and deserving. '•;te"evianted
Gentleman was not satisfied with the Bill• Russell)
the eight-pound franchise. Ho (Lord Joh_,Lye bee°
wanted the same thing, and he wished it coult"—t. Oh'
carrisd through the other House of l'arhaalenGevera.
jeutions had been taken to the conduct of .the io
tnent in Leving delayed bringing forward lys!
correct the deficiency of the Irish constituaueni-oitta
the famine with which the country had beeediste
brought with it calamities which required imred pore
teation and relief, and they thought these 'biletb
mount claim upon their consideration, and 21, did 01
redress pressed so forcibly upon there+ tueJiee,
think it was a time to introduce a political quest took s:
that it was more fit to postpone • eer he
-t Till hes)
blame to themselves for the delay.---V's- ,:sad
This year they brought forward this Bill, It Pratt
House, and went up to the Lords, where a 1707 e
were made in it. The constituency would be
rth then
That was a great good, and he conceived it Wee bed a
while to pass it. With regard to tho future• be, pis.l;
specific course to propose to either side. if II; but Jf
constituencici were contented with it, very wreeliags
it did not give satisfaction, and excited strong 'e bold be
disapproval, and it was found necessary that it so teasel
extendel, their consent te this Bill would Vcifilir,beiislri
why they should
-into ereafter extead are
91-f:
He had acted her instances in the refs le:
under. similar circumstances, in order to ifeerlies f
constitution of this country, to give greater agaeritiioo
the people, to promote the 'happ-iness and Prei•their Pe'
the country, and to preserve the perneanenef °
stitutions.
Mr. M'CULLAGII said, one Hon. Mernielerf Lori
to have the Bill as it came front the nous •°lsties -A°
lie could not consent to that. That was a vender,the principle of the Bill, which it was fallfrasaell.
was that something like an equalitY e` s
should be given to Ireland with the rest ef tb 03441;
That principle was asserted in that House bleelasgia
ties of 58 and 69. It was now intimated tha., aro%
strong feeling was manifested in Ireland
the
1401:t
be a permanent Bill. He did not hold b;
responsible for the alterations made in the Ce-.
ite,
auagmeintpttieleeem,inteodnuficxoepdtphoes
chise. A Noble Lord awhcoatwioenreat inlarnirairdit; ere::
uhl uisoe
the o r L o
otherr ds
ourasle.s.7o..icroesrijalisii,
meat, who was not without great influence tnelol.tieeb•
the Bill which this House had passed waseCeleoe
would enfranchise the rubbish of Ireland, an-
f elections under the influence of the Priestale.ek
grtavuocahios
constituent
spt
toupoonsoeyd
ob yr:16(7,0 aMemberbd firthatl,."-113/.,6,06-0"0-0;
ported by the Secretary for Ireland, would giro for ‘l.
26,00 coo
so that it would create a difference of
whole of the constituency. In five of the Isrges
ties in the province of Connaught, 115.1' Oda;
chiso would give a constituency but of 9, be Ircit of
franchise of 121. would give 1,174. Nor,
ask whether, even if the consented t° this leeld
y s
qualification, they, knew whether the Lords -ci she
ject it. He had no alternative to chooser "
vote for neither. vibewile
Mr. M. O'CONNELL said the uestion Was c,
for Ireland or 11°T1 bigb'
they should have a franchise / too gO
thought 81. too high, and now thought 12.. eta
t ad° teo
but he thought the Bill contained one greats g
is the mode of registration. He rcaarded, as effectsA
good, the fact that the registration' wea,lod eboeolideeerse;
without the solicitation of the eitoter--e- Toeer
-
that a great advantage. He should vote for teletirs pea
of the Noble Lord, and take every means ip
dud
to improve it hereafter. artl
Mr. SHEIL said the Member for Dundalk ""re ifleaedi •
the case as if the Noble Lord had the po'"r origin:
the House of Lords to pass the Bill as it wasresitoe'ilds
proposed, but he could not do so. He trtinir-Thief
hope that the Lords would retrace their titer,' e
sthhasemdyeardienojpebotetoedtdhtihcteaisoepsro_ionecinipoltaehseeo. selfaregistratioet wits /0
and boroughs—and there was no reason whY !id
coTuhneti
retention of the old system would
adopt it in the one Paso and reject it in the 0- reev,
rise t°o eseetthe
agitation, which would involve the territorial gi 0000
dotal interests in a perpetual wrestle. It w 55110900,
to suppose that an appeal from a consecrateuol
would not reach
a 151. franchise as well as e his 010
chise. Father O'Shaugnessy would Wage seraimee
gregation, and give notice of the ApprOSClllfAc biro
serve notices to register. He would hope a cette a
eggs:fel lai:libleobeoffitio:
that day week they would all have served their God
and be prepared at the next election to Tote fdr'Yatr to
their country.—(Laughter and " Hear, hea,l4%,,leeectsa*
Murphy is touched by the invitation, • athe ef the „art',
serve the necessary notice. He meets one 0, istlehis
whelolian possessors of the writ, who ite,o heist is tP.elelt
hear?w accosts him in this fashion:—"
Have you given notice to register' ke grehthe
Murphy takes off his hat, which reaches i" at he
; goo,
and bending low with obsequious subra•sseceeee e
samewors time displaying his gray hairs, PO% to in of
d —"Father O'Sbaugnesvy." "Don't talk ogee
ryso6 -
Father O'Shaugnessy. Does Father t' old be
kuow that you have no lease?" These vre° broiled of
constitutional influences which would, b alter,eveo
bear upon the registrations as they had ueeetah bad
the Lords. He objected to the omission wnz`• doh*
ii
istra • cis 0
made in the eelf-acting principle of reg inte
would in fact be an appeal-for the ballot int_torvienefo'so
those who thought secresy better than sa"jaceetj,r 010
(Hear.) The amendments made were on seder
agitation. He did not, however, despair hat
to eeePeslie
would change their course when they,cam-, of tos the
the consequeuces. He did not
cretion of Lord Stanley. Thst Noble Lor,e' trail 113e.
despair ercd_ wheabioe
Emancipation Act was passed, thought Lt" oitereo he
too high. In the case of the Reform Bill a° ft Wa_elier
oath by which the franchise was lowere° inge",
who gave an intellectual qualification, bY tbbich Irsgbe
tion of the system of national education, wry, tiot tot
measure of wisdom, and was his highest g,lltrefient,ivit
less btcause it stood alone. He, too, weir, the reh'eli'
his advent to power would be the signal tole 1-
obf unseen doings, whereby party would tiietatio lea.o r
erties of the people under a tyrannical deal'heo ed
hMr. DISRAELI said objections were exerctsdoe
er branch of the Legislature because thelocastitl 000
privilege conferred upon them by tbeke a cojot
There was no reason to say there would rtio r
IA • lit
bit e °en the two Houses. The House ase ralig
agree to the proposal now made, or that eaoooo beie;bee
jest it. Ho complained of her 'MajeJitY'aer) the been l?
troduced into the debate, its it had been by beco „too
fir Manchester, which was unconstitutiV,s;seef Arty
might fetter the freedom of debate. 'lll°,l'l erode,' eer
in their discretion, hadpresumed tomsa 81. i 6
Wee t
tioni in this Bill. The Bill Peat up, u.' ;on. e
chiso. It came down with a 151. qualificaa'
ebise. oat
tvai proposal that it should be a 12/. Tritutie Oelpes,
eupereuu between the. House of Lords 501: 04,
Aloe. ,
went was between a 12/. and a 15/. Iran-- wry. -or
;question was the self-acting refaispf
was a point upon which there were
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