The Sun.
London, England, 1868-10-20 00:00:00

THE IRISH CHURCH.

On the Irish Church we have a flood of talk. It
seems as if everybody and his brother determined ti)
"add their little items to the discussion." And 00
we have arguments upon arguments over and over
again, till even the rankest Tory must be almost led
to wish that the Irish Church had never existed:
Here are two clerical opinions. The Rector 01
Liverpool thinks a compromise might be effected:
though it is not for "an humble individual
like himself " to propose the nature
it. Still he suggests, as a " peaceful disci"
tanglement of the Gordian knot," that bishops
should • not sit in the House of Lords, 311.
that the Church should be denuded of her
political privileges. " A Middlesex Incumbent'
thinks Mr. Gladstone's proposal meets the fair claim°
of the Church. He therefore signed the petition
from 300 clergymen to the House of Lords. But he
is much troubled about the " residue " of the Church
property. He thinks the scheme of national educa'
tion has failed; he therefore does not support a plan
giving the money to schools; but he wishes the poet
to have it.

The Rev. G. R. Gleig, Chaplain-General of the
Forces, has written a letter to the Times, which hal
been rejected. He therefore sends it to the lieraitil
thanking the editor of the Times for admitting II
much of his argument already. Mr. Gleig does 11°
question the abstract fitness or unfitness of 3-IF.
Gladstone's policy. He simply maintains that it la
not in accord with the ancient Constitution of these
realms, and that it will bring about a social revolution
of which no human forethought can point the ifisueg'
The case of Scotland is no precedent. No disendosr"
ment or disestablishment took place in Scotland 2tN
years ago, but the mere transference of the endow'
meats and the status of the Establishment from one
Church to another. The change of Churches.
Scotland was brought about when it was a clistme
State. He objects to the doctrine that the disesta-
blishment and disendowment of the Irish Charl
will not affect the supremacy of the Queen, an
shews the different positions of the Established
Church and Dissenting communities in their relatloill
with the State.

THE "RECORD " AND TRE ARCHDEACON.

There is a quarrel between the Record newsPget
and Archdeacon Allen, and as the newspaper likes tg
have all the scolding to itself, the editor refuses
admit the clergyman's letters to its columns. Tll°
which
was had made a speech at Shrewsbury, 111e11
was commented upon by a correspondent of t'-`,,,0
Record, signing himself "Nestor." The venerable arch:
deacon wrote a letter to the editor in answer to
this, and the result was a paragraph as follows:"
" Archdeacon Allen has been lately exhibited as
having untruly accused the Record of 'slander,' but
he has neither apologised nor retracted. We cannot
i
therefore, place the columns of the
_Record A'
his disposal for the insertion of other chargel
against its correspondents, equally groullelles3,o
and insulting." The archdeacon appeals to i
Daily News to insert his protest, and not in
In it we fail to see anything to discredit evei
such a temperate and impartial journal as the RecorT,
He thinks that a letter speaking " evil of dignitiesh
should have the writer's name. He objects to su,c,
expressions as " the Lambeth parturition " and
,1
viper," and questions the taste which characterise"
the debates of the bishops as " a bray." " I,ll°
words spoken in Convocation may be unreal
only our Master can judge whether they be so. t,
Convocation does not assume anything. It claims
meet under the Queen's license. It rests on ye%
ancient precedents. The proctors may be inadoclu3 d
representatives, but they are bond fide elected ; 3130
in some sense they do represent the clergy. As iii
colonial bishops, only our Master can tell what is ';
their hearts; no one, however, should attribute to tile'
motives, as ' desire of personal aggrandisement.' "

THE S. P. C. K. GRANT.
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Some further correspondence on this subJe f
appears in the Times. Mr. Fitz Roy, editor
,In
the John Bull, who proposed the grant of 2,0 w
which has given rise to so much controversy, c°11:
tends that no one could have been taken by sure,,,f7
since the Record and the Spectator alike urged di;
readers to be present to oppose the grant, and
Guardian contained a letter from Mr. Fitz Roy
self, urging both supporters and opponents to atteo,,
The sum proposed was only half of that origin
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suggested. Moreover, the grant was, it is contend
a thoroughly legitimate one. A lady has left
for distribution in various dioceses; why should 11,,,,°t
Natal have its share ? and if it ought, the gr'..„o
must be made independent of the bishop, for his 11.,.„3.";,
does not appear in the society's ahnanack. The 3-le„i
W. G. Humphry, treasurer of the society, a,,,."4
brother-in-law of Bishop Colenso, writes that as 'of
society numbers among its subscribers members of
every school in the Church, and as the grant,/ be
assuming the deposition of Bishop Colenso, must
offensive to those who do not acknowledge I'4l
transaction, it is essential, if the society's neutral-1;1
and harmony are to be preserved, that the gl,as
should be rescinded. It is for this reason that he Pof
given notice to that effect for the meeting -
December 1.

THE CHURCH OP TUE POOR.
It is announced that the receipt of paymenTiej
any shape whatever for sittings in Exeter Catheci
is an infringement of the rules of the Dean
Chapter, and the public are particularly reestet',,o,
abstain from the practice. The worst ofv Ais
as in the case of the railway guards, the public 11
abstain; but it is satisfactory to find that the ants
rities rities do not intend to encourage the vergers in 1"
i.ng black mail.