The Sun.
London, England, 1844-07-20 00:00:00

TIRE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 20, 164 ii.

MONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS.
FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY.
CITY, FRIDAY EVENING.
TIMES.—The settlement of the Consol account was
the chief feature at the Stock Exchange to-day, in the
absence of more important business, and the result of the
adjustment gave rather a favourable tendency to prices,
which previously showed some symptoms of weakness.
Money was exceedingly abundant at merely nominal
rates, and hence not the least difficulty was experienced
in the final arrangement of the business. At the close of
the day the market appeared to be very firm.
The Illinois bondholders held a meeting to-day to
consider the plan proposed by the indebted State for
restoring its credit. This plan has been too often set
forth under this head, in every stage of negotiation be-
tween the interested parties on both sides, to need a
description now. The result of the meeting was, that a
resolution was unanimously carried, approving of the
scheme, and recommending all holders of Illinois bonds
to subscribe to the funds required for the completion of
the canal. This proceeding, according to the opinion of
the meeting, was absolutely necessary to secure the early
restoration of credit.
The East India and China Association have published
their comparative statement of the number of British
ships, with tonnage, entered inwards and cleared out-
wards from and to places within the limits of the East
India Company's charter, from the Ist of January to the
30th of June in the years 1843 and 1844.
The statement of vessels entered inwards shows that
the number arriving at the port of London during that
period was an increase of ten vessels, with 6,084 tonnage,
compared with 1843, there being 280 vessels, with
116,632 tonnage, in the former six months, and 270 ves-
sels, with 110,548 tonnage, in the latter six months. In
the case of Liverpool, the increase was only two vessels,
with 710 tonnage, the number of vessels arriving in the
first six months of 1843 being 85, with 36,321 tonnage,
and in the same period of 1844, 87, with 37,031 tonnage.
The ports of Bristol and Hull show an increase of fire
vessels, with 1,915 tonnage, the number in 1843 having
been 9, with 2,982 tonnage ; and in 1844, 14, with
4,197 tonnage. The Clyde and other ports show a de-
crease of two vessels, with 2,046 tonnage, 27, with 9,868
tonnage, having arrived in 1843, while in 1844, 25 ar-
rived, with 7,822 tonnage.
A general revision of the entries inward shows a total
increase in the first six months of 1844 over the same
period of 1843 of 15 vessels, with 6,663 tonnage. The
chief increase his been in the arrival of vessels from
China, Singapore, the Philippine Islands, and New South
Wales, while there has at the same time been a consi-
derable decrease in the arrivals from Calcutta.
The clearances outwards show an increase in the
arrivals at the port of London of 38 vessels, with
12,545 tonnage, in 1844, compared with 1843, the re-
spective numbers in the six months being 233 vessels,
with 92,4.59 tonnage, and 195 vessels, with 79,914 ton-
nage. Liverpool shows the large increase of 87 vessels,
with 30,390 tonnage, the numbers being 117 vessels,
with 45,371 tonnage in 1843, and 204 vessels, with
75,761 tonnage, in 1844. Bristol also shows an increase
of 18 vessels, with 4,522 tonnage, only 1, with 367 ton-
nage, having arrived in the first six months of 1843,
whereas 18, with 4,522 tonnage, arrived in the first six
months of 1844. The Clyde and other ports show an
increase of 10 vessels, with a decrease of 555 tonnage,
the arrivals in the first six months of 1844 being 89 ves-
sels, with 28,947 tonnage ; and in the first six months of
1843, 79 vessels, with 20,502 tonnage.
A general review of the clearances shows a total in-
crease in the first six months of 1844 over the mune
period in 1843 of 153 vessels, with 46,902 tonnage. The
increase includes 44 vessels for Calcutta, 15 vessels for
Bombay, 24 vessels for the Mauritius, 87 vessels for the
Cape of Good Hope, and 5 vessels for the South Seas.
In the clearances for New South Wales the great de-
crease of 20 vessels is to be noticed.
SUN.—The settlement in the Consol market has left
the prices at 991 11, for money, and 99'i 1 for the 29th
August. The heavy investments remained as in the
morning, the Old Three-and-a-Half per Cents. being
marked 102 k. South Sea Stock was at 114 k, being
scarcely so high as last week.
The Foreign market offered no feature beyond what
we reported in the morning. Spanish Actives were 23k to
and the Three per Cents. 338, Colombian brought
1318 to 14.
The additional transactions have been these:—Bir-
mingham and Derby were 31 • Chester and Holyhead, k;
Lancaster and Carlisle, ; Brighton, 2* ; and Midland
ex-dividend 1 discount. Great North of England have
been 1 ' • Great Western Half, 321 ; Ditto Fifths, 111 ;
Hull and Selby. 9 ; Birmingham, 1241 to 126 ; Norwich
and Brandon, 62s ; South-Eastern, 31 ; Orleans, Tours,
and Bordeaux, 11 ; Paris and Orleans, ex-div., 181 ;
and Paris and Rouen, 181 premium ; Birmingham and
Gloucester 1 discount to par. Provincial Bank of Ire-
land Shares ex-div., 191 premium.
In the Foreign exchanges there was a decline to-day
upon Antwerp, Paris, Hamburgh, and Trieste, Frank.
fort being about the same as last post-day.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
LIVERPOOL RACES.—THURSDAY.
BETTING ON THE COURSE.
GOODWOOD STAKES.
12 to 1 agst Crotan Oil.

5 to 1 agst Franchise.
7 to 1 agst Era—taken.

T. LEGER.
10 to 1 agst Ugly Buck.
12 to 1 agst Foig-a-ballagh
12 to 1 agst Morpeth.
40 to 1 agst Lightning.

7 to 2 agst the Cure:
7 to 1 agst Bay Momus.
8 to 1 agst Princess (taken).
8 to 1 agst Red Deer.
9 to lagst Ithuriel.

2015 even between Alorpeth and Foig-a-ballagh.
BROMYARD RACES—WFDNESDAY.
The Broxash Stakes were won by Mr. Berriman's Fair
Play ; the Hurdle Stakes, by Mr. Bradley's Tantalus ; and
the flack Stakes, by Mr. Bradley's Sweetheart.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 19.
ROYAL ASSENT.
At Four o'clock there was a Commission to give the
Royal Assent to certain Bills. The Commissioners
were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Wharncliffe, and Earl
Dalhousie.
The following are the l3ills which received the Royal
Assent—the Bank of England Charter Bill ;
Three-and-a-Half per Cents. Exemption Bill •, Dissen-
ters' Chapels Bill ; Customs Duties (Isle of Man) Bill ;
Education Bill ; County Rates, &c., Bill ; Militia Ballots
Suspension Bill ; Stock in Trade Bill ; Vagrants Re-
moval Bill ; Turnpike Acts Countinuance Bill ; Parishes
(Scotland) Bill ; Prisons (Scotland) Bill ; Charitable
Loan Societies (Ireland) Bill ; Turnpike Acts Continu-
ance (Ireland) Bill ; Edinburgh, Leith, and Granton
Railway Bill ; Ashton, Stalybridge, and Liverpool
Junction Railway Bill ; Sheffield, Ashton-under-Lyne,
and Manchester Railway Bill ; Taff Vale Railway Bill ;
Eastern Union Railway Bill ; London and South-Wes-
tern Railway (No. 1) Bill ; Garnkirk, Glasgow, and
Coatbridge Railway Bill ; Delabole and Rock Railway
(No. 2) Bill ; Liverpool Docks Bill ; Newport Dock
Bill ; Birkenhead Docks Bill ; Southampton Improve-
ment Bill ; Coventry Improvement and Cemetery Bill ;
York United Gas (No. 2) Bill ; Hythe Landing Place
Bill ; Holmfirth and Dunford Roads Bill ; Market
Harborough and Coventry Road Bill ; Earl of Guilford's
Estate Bill ; Necton Tithes Bill ; Irvine's Estate Bill ;
Stone's Estate Bill.
Their Lordships adjourned for a short time, and as-
sembled again, when—
Mr. E. James was called to the Bar, and addressed
their Lordships against the Gaming Bill. When the
Learned Gentleman concluded,
Mr. Russell was called and examined by Lord
BROUGHAM—I am the attorney in the qui tam ac-
tions ; I was instructed by my clerk ; he is my brother;
he has a salary of so/. a year; I brought about 34
actions; he did not instruct me till I first suggested to him
to do so; I expect he will pay me; I do not expect he will
pay the entire. The expense of one of those actions, if lost,
might be about 1,000/. A gentleman paid 9001 towards
the expenses. Ido not know him ; he did not instruct
me. I decline to tell who he is, because that was com-
municated to me as an attorney. He is not my client.
I know his name, but I decline to give it.
Lord BROUGHAM—No privilege will protect a man
who is not your client. Come, give the name.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—If you do not answer
that question you will reflect on the consequences.
Witness—l decline to answer, because it was a privi-
leged communication.
Lord BROUGHAM—Did you know the name from
any one independent of your client ? Mr. Russell—l
knew it from my client first; but I knew it from other
sources.—(A laugh.)
To the LORD CHANCELLOR—Never had any
communication with the person who paid this money,
except in the presence of his brother, and thought
that he was justified in refusing to give the name of that
person.
Lord BROUGHAM told the witness that he was not
privileged as to the unknown person, and must con-
sider the consequences.—(Hear, hear.) The Committee
had no power to commit him, but the House had.
The Duke of RICHMOND asked had he not advised
his brother not to bring the action in his own name, be-
cause his character was so tainted? Answer—l think
I did.—(Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM submitted to their Lordships
that as the person at the bar admitted that the person
whose name he withheld was not his client, he could
not refuse to give the name.
After some consultation with the Noble and Learned
Lord, the Counsel, Mr. James, and the witness, were
ordered to withdraw from the bar ; and the witness was
peremptorily ordered not to leave the House.
A conversation ensued of some length, in which several
Noble Lords took part, respecting the course to be pur-
sued ; when it was resolved that the witness Russell be
ordered to attend at the bar, and that in the meantime
his evidence before the Select Committee and the House
be printed.
The witness was accordingly called in, and ordered to
attend. He said—" I will obey your Lordships."...-("Oh,
of course you will.")
THE IRISH STATE TRIALS' APPEAL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR wished to call the at-
tention of the House to a matter which affected himself
personally, and which was, however, of some importance HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 19.
to their Lordships and to public justice. His attention
was drawn, through the medium of one of thelrish papers, JOINT STOCK COMPANIES' REGISTRY
to a statement in the Morning Chronicle, that whilst Mr. AND REGULATION BILL
tration clause, and ir
Hill was arguing upon the challenge of the array, (Continued from our Afternoon Tait:
" the Lord Chancellor said that there could be no On clause 25 being proposed
lating to existing -
doubt that the array was fraudulent." The Morn- Mr. STUART WORT- "9
inq Chronicle went on to ask, could it be doubted
the measure ,-
anlitwerwase
that a verdict obtained under fraud so admitted by
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sffibietlintghis was the regia•
the first one te•
snareholders to r
the Lord Chancellor of England would be viewed4empanies. He wished tO nslE. ;whether with any other feelings than those of execration
to___peo_s(tt
stock don Mateo% joint-stoek millS. Those joint-
,„n in to pay for them. If this Bill provided a remedy for th t
by the people of England ; or could any Ministry verytomraort ih the manufacturing dis-
y gun uncommon for the smaller
have the audacity to carry the sentence into effect, after
facturing districts.
would be conferring_ a great boon upon the manua-
teFyiicit:::
mt UP accounts, and leave their partners
such a condemnation ? These remarks were print- '
not blame
large letters in all the Irish papers. He did
the writer in the Morning Chronicle,
s•-;
no
was
misled,
(:..'ne Lord Chancellor) had Mr. GLADSTONE regretted that, in oonseauen
from not understanding what he
t. 130 subjea, ho hard been pbliged
said. Nothing Wald be furl'
v4erfxonsthe meaning of his 0- the difficulty cf,

On the motion of Lord BROUGHAM, the Bill passed
through Committee without discussion, and was re-
ported.

BUTTER AND CHEESE.
On the motion of the Earl of POWIS, this Bill also
passed through Committee, and was reported.
Tho Roman Catholic Parish Acts Abolition Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed on
Monday.

THE COUNTY CORONERS' BILL.
The Duke of RICHMOND, in moving the second
reading of this Bill, said that there was one clause intro-
duced into it to which he would give his utmost opposi-
tion—that was the payment of an increased amount for
the coroners' travelling expenses out of the county-rates.
Ho thought that these expenses ought to be paid out of
the consolidated fund. He would, in the Committee on
Monday. move the omission of the clause_ The Dill
would diminish the expenses of coroners at elections,
and those gentlemen ought not to demand an increased
allowance for travelling.
Lord BEAUMONT had intended to oppose the Bill
altogether, on account of this clause ; but as the Noble
Duke would move for its omission, his objection was
greatly diminished. If the clause were retained, he
would move that the Dill be read a second time that day
six months.
The Duke of RICHMOND would move the omission
of the clause, but he would not bind himself that the
clause would be omitted. If it were not, he would vote
against the Bill altogether. It was a money clause, and
the House of Commons might not agree to its omission ;
and, if not, they would send up another Bill next year.
The Marquis of NORMANBY defended the clause.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Monday, and the Lords summoned.
THE COLONIAL POST-OFFICE.
This Bill was read a second time.
Lord CAMPBELL expressed a hope that it would
not be carried through Committee until another Bill on
the same subject reached the same stage.
The Linen Manufacturers' Bill (Ireland) was read a
third time and passed.
The Transfer of Property Bill was read a second time.
Several Bills on the table were advanced a stage.
On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND, the Se-
lect Committee on the opening of letters in the Post-
office were requested to print and lay before the House
the evidence of Mr. Russell.
Their Lordships
&Clock. then adjourned at Half-past Seven t

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servations, which went ho farther than that if the array
were made in the way which Mr. Hill stated it must be
fraudulent ; but that he could not judge of that, as he
knew stothine•' of the facts, which should have Leen:de.
tided by the Court of Queen's Bench.
Lord BROUGHAM concurred in the observations of
his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack, and
said that nothing could justify the use which the Irish
papers had made of the misrepresentation.
Lord CAMPBELL said that his Noble and Learned
Friend on the Woolsack was perfectly right in making
to the House the explanation which he had made. But
he (Lord Campbell) must say, that when this subject
came before the House he should differ from the opinion
of his Noble and Learned Friend, and that he thought
the Attorney-General was not justified in going to trial
as he did, nor until the whole book of the jury-list had
been gone through, and the defendants had a full chance
of a fair trial.
Lord COTTENIIAM said that the statement in the
Morning Chronicle was incorrect, as had been properly
shown by his Noble and Learned Friend ; but the mis-
apprehension of the writer was very excusable, when the
difficulty of a law argument, even to a lawyer, was con-
sidered.
The conversation then dropped.
MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.
Mr. GREENE and others from the Commons brought
up the Unlawful Oaths Bill (Ireland), the Soap Duties
Bill, the Party Processions Bill (Ireland), the Farm-
building Burnings Bill, the Loan Societies Bill, and nu-
merous other Bills, which were severally read a first time.
THE POST-OFFICE INQUIRY.
A further message from the Commons communicated
the permission of the Commons to Lord J. Russell to
attend before their Lordships' Committee.
The Earl of RADNOR had seen it stated in some of
the newspapers that he had consented to have his name
omitted from that Committee. He thought it right to
say that he felt he ought to have been on the Committee.
The Duke of WELLING TON had supposed that the
list which he had proposed for the Committee was uni-
versally approved of.
CORN-LAWS.
The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition from
agriculturists of Wiltshire, complaining of distress, and
praying for the repeal of the corn-laws, and all laws
against the importation of provisions. Their Lordships
had repeatedly denied that there was distress ; and a
Noble Lord near him said there was none in Wiltshire,
but the petitioners who resided there were likely to know
better than the Noble Lord (Methuen), who seldom
visited the count} (Hear, and a laugh.)
Lord METHUEN said he was well acquainted with
the county, but he might not know as much of some par-
ticular persons as the Noble Earl, who went about in
every corner searching for statements of distress.--
(Hear, and a laugh.)
The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions in fa-
vour of protection, and said that he would send down a
pamphlet to show the true state of the questions to the
persons who signed the Noble Earl's (Radnor's) petition
from Wiltshire,:but it would be of no use, as many of them
could not read.—(Hear, hear.)
Earl -RADNOR said the petitioners should be allowed
to express their opinions of their own interests, although
they could not read.—(Hear, hear.)
The Duke of RICHMOND had only said that his
book would be of no use to them, as they could not read;
he did not deny their right to petition.—(Hear, hear.)
GREAT SOUTHERN AND WESTERN RAIL-
WAY BILL.
On the motion of Lord MONTEAGLE, the orders of
the day were suspended, and the Bill was read a third
time, and passed.

pone the consideration of the relative rights of share-
holders among themselves until next session. In certain
respects the Bill would improve the relations between
companies and their shareholders, but it would not
remedy the evil of which the Hon. Gentleman com-
plained. There would be facilities of obtaining judg-
ments against companies, and this he thought would
prove very beneficial.
Mr. S. WORTLEY had thought it his duty to call
the Right Hon. Gentleman's attention to this subject,
and ho trusted that some steps would be taken with
respect to it next year.
The clause was then agreed to, as were clauses 26 to 57.
The Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the bar, and
summoned the House to the bar of the House of Lords,
to hear the Royal Assent given by Commission to seve-
ral Bills (for which see Lords' report).
The SPEAKER, accompanied by several Members, then
proceeded to the House of Lords.
On their return, the House went into Committee,
when.the remaining clauses were agreed to, and the Bill,
with amendments, was ordered to be reported on Tues-
day next at twelve o'clock.
The House resumed.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENTS.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Liverpool
Peace Society, praying for the abolition of the punish-
ment of death in all cases.
COURTS OF COMMON LAW.
On the motion of Mr. CRIPPS, the Courts of Com-
mon Law Process Bill, and the Courts of Common Law
(Ireland) Bill, went through Committee.
The Parish Constables Bill was read a third time.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE (IRELAND).
Mr. BRIGHT, seeing the Noble Lord the Secretary
for Ireland in his place, wished to direct his attention to
a case which had occurred at the recent assizes in Ire-
land. Two women had been lately found guilty of mur-
der in the county of Roscommon, and were now left for
execution on the 31st of this month. The crime was
committed in the month of June, 1843, when, on the Co-
roner's inquest on the body, a verdict of suicide was
returned. Since that time, a woman who slept, or
said she slept in the same room where the murder
had been committed, had given evidence which
proved that the man was murdered and then carried out
of the room, when his throat was cut, with the intention
of making it appear that ho had committed suicide. On
the trial the jury deliberated twenty-two hours, and
then found the two women guilty of wilful murder; one
of them being the wife of the murdered man,
and the other her sister. The jury recommended
them to mercy; but he was informed that the
judge refused to transmit that recommendation to Dub-
lin. There was reason to believe that the chief witness
in the case, was a woman of extremely bad character,
and that her evidence was doubtful. Altogether it ap-
peared that the whole party were in a very low state of
civilization, for when the occurrence took place
the murdered man arid his wife slept in one
bed, and the woman who gave the evidence was
sleeping with her own father in another bed. The third
woman, who was a servant, sleeping in an adjoining
room to which there was no door. It appeared that all
of them were of a class that rendered it necessary to
receive their evidence with great caution. Under all
circumstances, it seemed one of those cases worthy the
attention of Government. If the man was murdered an
inquiry ought to be made into the conduct of the
coroner, as it was stated that he examined but one wit-
ness, and called no surgeon—the inquest being thus of a
most unsatisfactory character.
Lord ELIOT thought the object of the Hon. Gentle-
man would have been equally well attained, had he
merely called his attention to the matter. He could not
help thinking he had rather exceeded the limits allowed
in asking questions. He must also observe that the
coroner was not accountable to the Government ; at the
same time, he could assure the Hon. Gentleman that the
circumstances of the trial should have his best attention.
PRIVY COUNCIL BILL.
Lord FIOWICK said, he observed that the Privy
Council Bill stood on the orders of the day for the
third reading that evening. He understood that this
Bill almost re-modelled the Judicial Committee of the
Privy Council, and provided a considerable salary for a
chief judge. He wished to ask whether the third
reading would be moved that night, and whether the Bill
was supported by her Majesty's Government.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he had read the Bill, which he
did not think the Noble Lord could have done, and he
could state that there was no clause in it fixing such a
salary. Nor should he (Sir J. Graham) be prepared to
support a Bill that would do so. The other arrange-
ments of the Bill were entirely of a technical nature, and
to these the Government was prepared to give its assent.
He was therefore disposed to move the third reading ;
but if the Noble Lord objected to it, he should not move
it at any hour at which the Noble Lord might be unable
to attend.
Lord HOWICK was aware that the clauses fixing the
salary were not printed in this Bill, but they were
printed in the Bill as it stood in another place.
Sir J. GRAHAM said it was not intended to move
any clause in that House that was not in the Bill.
Lord HO WICK said it was extremely objectionable,
that at so late a period of the session, when all the prin-
cipal gentlemen of the House connected with the legal
profession were necessarily absent on circuit, that such a
Bill as this should be moved and carried:; they had be-
fore had experience of the great impropriety of legal bills
been brought in and carried through at this late period
of the session.
Sir J. GRAHAM understood that the Bill had been
proposed with the unanimous consent of the Judges of
the Privy Council ; and under these circumstances, he
hoped it would not be opposed.
MEDICAL PROFESSION.
Mr. PHILIP HOWARD asked the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the Home Secretary, if he intended to
bring in any Bill for the regulation of the medical pro-
fession?
Sir J. GRAHAM said he still intended to introduce
a Bill on this subject, but he would not press it this
session.

ARTS-UNION BILL.
Lord MONTEAGLE moved that the House resolve
tself into Committee on this Bill.
The Duke of CAMBRIDGE seconded the motion,
and bore testimony to the great utility of those institu-
tions, and to the great spread of taste and skill to which
they had given rise among the people. He was a sub-
scriber to the London Art-Union, and so were many
other Members of that House, and although they had no
pecuniary interest in the matter, they were all liable to
be sent to prison.—(A laugh.) He should not much
grieve for himself, for he would be in good company._
(Great laughter.) He thought it would be a great advan-
tage if the Bill should pass in time to allow exhibitions
now open to be taken advantage of for the purposes of
the unions.—(Cheers.)
The Marquis of Northampton, the Marquis of Lans-
downe, and Lord Colborne, supported the motion for
going into Committee.
Lord MONTEAGLE returned his earnest thanks to
the Illustrious Dnke for the honour he had done him
and the service he had rendered to art, by supporting his
motion.
The Bill then passed through Committee without dis-
cussion, and was reported.
The Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings Railway Bill was
read a third time and passed.
The Aliens Bill passed through Committee without
discussion, was reported, and ordered to be printed with
the amendments.
FEES OF CLERKS OF THE PEACE.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, according to notice,
inquired of the Noble President of the Council whether
there was an intention to bring in this session a Bill on the
subject of the fees of Clerks of Peace. In referring to
the report of the Commission on the state of Wales, it
would be seen that, as well as the turnpike tolls, the
fees given to the magistrates' clerks ware part of the
sources of oppression and causes of discontent.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE assured the Noble Lord that
the attention of the Government had been directed to
this subject, and they would bring it under the conside-
ration of the House early next session.
The Duke of RICHMOND was glad to hear that it
was the intention of the Government to bring in a Bill
upon this subject.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved for a return
of all sums under tke control of the Ecclesiastical Com-
missioners of England and Wales, not appropriated to
any particular purpose, up to the latest period to which
the same could be made up; distinguishing the episcopal
fund from that which is appropriated to the augmenta-
tion of small livings. As the motion was not to be op-
posed, he would not occupy the House by going at
length into the considerations which rendered the re-
turns necessary. As the question of the union of the
dioceses of St. Asaph and Bangor was most likely to
come again before the House, he thought it was most
desirable to have the information for which he asked;
and the more especially as a Noble Friend of his had
proposed that if one of the bishoprics were suppressed,
the fund so saved should be appropriated to the aug-
mentation of small livings in the diocese.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE had no objection to the
return.
The Duke of RICHMOND complained of the con-
duct of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, in not making
annual returns of their receipts and expenditure.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE defended the ap-
pointment of the Commission, on the ground that a more
advantageous arrangement of Church property, even
for the holders themselves, could be made. But three
years had elapsed since he had the honour of being a
member of that Commission, and he was happy to say,
that whenever its arrangements had been carried into
effect, great improvements in favour of the holders of
Church land bad been effected, and such improvements
were spreading. He hoped there would be no delay, on
the part of the Commission, in putting an end to uncer-
tainty everywhere as to the conditions under which all
such lands were to be held.
After a few words from Lord REDESDALE and from
the Marquis of CLANSUCARDE in reply, the returns were
ordered.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' ACT AMENDMENT
BILL.

Sir R. PEEL moved that the House at its rising do
adjourn till Monday.—Agreed to.
SINKING FUND.
On the motion of Mr. WODEHOUSE, certain returns
relating to the sinking fund were ordered to be made.
BRA SSLNGTON INCORPORATION.
Mr. COLVILE gave notice that he should, on Mon-
day next, move that it be an instruction to the Committee
on the Gilbert Unions that they should examine wit-
nesses from the Bra,ssington Incorporations.
EDUCATION.
On the motion that the order of the day be read for
the House resolving itself into a Committee of Supply,
• Mr. EWART rose for the purpose of calling the at-
tention of the House to the expediency of a statement
being made by the Government respecting the disposal
and the results of the outlay of public money voted
for the purposes of education ; and also to the expe-
diency of promoting the formation of public
libraries in the metropolis and provincial towns.
He was anxious to offer a few observations to the House
on this subject. In voting the army estimates, the
navy estimates, and the Ordinance estimates, it was
always customary for those who brought forward those
estimates to make a statement as to the condition of their
several departments. He thought that was a precedent
which ought to be followed in bringing forward the esti-
mates on the subject of education. He thought they
ought not only to Lave a statement as to the general
application of the funds, but a statement of the
prospects of each particular department. They
should have before them a statement of what had
been done in each particular department of education.
They had estimates proposed for various establishments;
they had estimates for the Schools of Design, for the
Universities, for the National Gallery, and for other in-
stitutions of a similar nature. That was an additional
reason why they should have a statement on the subject
on the part of the Crown. Education had, of late years,
been extended into the factory system, to the system of
prison discipline, and it had formed portions, more or less,
of Bills for the amendment of the poor-law. Now, the Go-
vernment ought to give them an insight into the alterations
which had taken place in the educational establishments
during the past year, and into the prospect of probable
improvement. Among the sites for education there was
one for the School of Design, an institution of the greatest
importance to the arts and manufactures of this
country. He rejoiced to observe that these Schools of
Design were spreading through the manufacturing dis-
tricts, and he hoped the time was not far distant when
the school in London would be a focus from which the
other schools might radiate so as to spread information
through the country. The School of Design in London was
gradually assuming a more central and normal character,
and he trusted that all the schools in the manufactur-
ing districts would become subordinate to the School of
Design in London. These schools were of the
utmost importance, not only to the arts, but to
the commerce and manufactures of the country. There
was also the general vote for education. It was an op-
po robrium to the country in general that a vote of
3,000/. only had been devoted to that purpose,
and he understood that this year there would be a
reduction on preceding years. Now, it was important
that they should have an explanation from the Govern-
ment as to how that sum bad been divided—whether it
had been equally divided among all 'religious denomina-
tions, or had been confined to the British and Foreign
and National School Societies. Before they had left
office they had determined to give portions of the grant
to certain schools, without reference to those two
societies. They ought to have some explanation on
this subject from some member of the Govettriient.
There was another most important subject on which
they ought to have some explanation.
There had been
vast sums left by the pious bequests of our ancestors,
which had been at first appropriated and afterwards
hiisappropriated, in the grammar schools of the country.
Th at was a question which must eventually
come under the consideration of the Govermennt.
They ought to state annually what steps had
taken to place those schools on a proper foundation.
He knew not why education, the r•-
things, the preventative of city., ;st important of all
antecedent to all other im-- s that which ought to be
ents should not Wel%
the first considerati,- - -of("'") '
jet that had I- ' of any Government in this wintry,
statern,- ..therm been the last. They had had no
i'" -.as made by a Minister of the Crown on the sub-
.,.:c of education • yet, in despotic Governments, an tin.
'id t' report was always laid before the Minister of the
Crown he sertres% no maintained that it would be better
ttir the public and more constitutional, if her Majesty's
Government adopted the English /node gitiiitt •
full expittkiatia Ile subject, rte was aware that this
Wit; ti eil6ject to be approached with delicacy in a free
country like England. He belioVen- it would te strictly
impossible to make education in this country a strictly
Govermental measure, but though they could not con-
trol the education of the people of this country-they might
do much to assist it. He was always of opinion
that though the people of this country in education
would not submit to control,' yet that much might be.
done to forward it. He thought it a disgraceful thing
that there was no public library in this country ; there
was no otheination in which such institutions did not
exist. la this country, with the exception of the British

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Musetim, there was. no library that could be called a
national library. In Paris there were no less than five
public libraries which were open to every class of society
from the highest to the lowest, and to the subject of
every country. There were four other libraries that
were admissible to the public among which were the
magazine library and the library of the arsenal,
In Russia there wero also libraries, all of which were
opened to the public. In Saxony there were also
public libraries, several of which were in Dresden
and even in Turkey itself, showing that that country
was before England in that respect.--(Hear, hear.)
Even the British Museum was not open to the poor man
and the citizen, as were the libraries of Paris, for it was
necessary to procure au introduction, in order to be
admitted into it. He thought that the two propositions
which he made were reasonable, and he believed they
would be finally assented to. He firmly believed that, if
her Majesty's Government took the matter into their
serious consideration, they would not only do h great
deal of good, but would obtain a great deal of public
panegyric.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord HOWICK said he concurred in much of what
had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman. He believed that
much remained to be done in the way of provid-
ing the means of education for the people of this country,
because as their population increased in density the
facilities of misleading them also increased. It seemed
to him to be a source of considerable danger, that great
masses of the population were growing up without
any due means of instruction or information.—(flear,
hear.) He agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, that it
was not desirable that education should be made a Go-
vernment measure. There was not in this country suf-
ficient of mutual toleration among the religious bodies
into which the population was divided to ren-
der it possible that anything like a system of
education being formed with advantage, and in this he
thought the Dissenters were as much to blame as the
Church, and the Church as much as the Dissenters.
He thought the Government judged wisely, after the
failure of last year, in not renewing a similar
experiment again. But he thought they had experience
enough to prove that the Government could do a great
deal to stimulate education, without even a Legislative
enactment. What they should aim at was to create a
desire for education amongst the people, and to enable
parents to distinguish good schools from bad schools.
What he should suggest was, that there should be
a partial examination of the children of different
schools by examiners, to be appointed by
the Government, who would give certificates to those
who answered best. Though there might be some
difficulty at first in getting the children to attend,
he thought that a great change would very soon take
place in that respect, when they perceived what great
advantage was derived from the possession of certificates.
They all knew how earnestly the inferior situations of
the lower departments of the public service were coveted
by persons in the lower ranks of life •, and if a
small number of situations, such as those of tide-waiters
or excisemen, were made the prizes for proficiency
at the public examination, it would be very beneficial.
This, he was convinced, would make these examinations
very successful. By a small sacrifice of patronage on the
part of the Government an immense advantage might be
obtained. He could not but think that a small portion
of the Government grant for education would be well
applied in giving rewards to those schoolmasters who
proved themselves worthy of them. He believed that
a comparatively small sum thus applied would
go further than anything else to raise the general
standard of the qualification of public schoolmasters.
He believed this to be a most important subject, and one
well worthy the attention of the Government.
A short pause hero ensued, and no one rising to ad-
dress the House,
The SPEAKER proceeded to the next order on the
paper, which related to
THE STATE TRIALS.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that as the opinion of the
Judges had not yet been delivered respecting the trial of
Mr. O'Connell and others, he would postpone until
another supply day the question for an address to her
Majesty, praying her Majesty to release the prisoners.
Mr. WYSE then addressed the House, and hoped that
the Government would not let the observations of his
Noble Friend pass without expressing what their feel-
ings were on this important subject.
Sir R. PEEL said he did not think the motion of the
Hon. Gentleman contemplated the appointment of a
separate Minister to preside over the department of
public education. There would be difficulties in the
way of such an appointment, but,the object might be ef-
fected by the constitution of a department from the
office that presided over the internal department of the
country. At the same time the duty at present devolved
on a part of the Government which paid great atten-
tion to the subject ; and he believed as much was ef-
fected by the Committee of the Privy Council. He
held in his hand the report of this body for the year
1843, and he recommended Hon. Members to make.
themselves acquainted with its contents. He thought
they were too much in the habit of making motions for
the production of reports on different subjects while they
did not make use of all the information already in their
possession. - This report contained a mass of most mi-
nute information, and before fresh particulars were
pressed for he would recommend Hon. Members to make
themselves acquainted with what was before them al-
ready. The work had been thrown into a form more
tempting than a blue book.—(Laughter.) He hoped
before they proceeded to make any new appointments or
give new salaries, they would afford a fair trial to the
present superintending body. There was an annual vote
from the House applied to the purposes of education,
and, according to the demands of the country, the Go-
vernment would call for an increase of that vote, perfectly
certain that the House would respond to that just de-
mand. In one point he fully concurred with the Noble
Lord. He believed that if some of the subordinate
patronage of the Government were applied as a reward '
to young persons of merit, educated in schools at the
public expense, he was certain that the loss to a Go- '
vermnent would be amply compensated. It was
the duty of all Governments to strengthen the
foundations on which good governments must rest,
and nothing eould • mere conduce to this effect than the
applying a portion of the subordinate patronage of the Go-
vernment in the manner he had stated. There might be
some difliculy in the way of appointing young persons
immediately to situations in the revenue, on account of
the early age at which they quitted the schools,- but if
it were possible to effect it, the application of this por-
tion of the patronage of the Government would be
advantageous and beneficial. There was great jealousy
among the people against Government interference with
education. It denoted great independence of spirit. Let
them not blame it too hastily—it had its advantages as
well as disadvantages, though still it was an obstruction
in the way of a sound and uniform system of education.
He could assure the House than any suggestion on this
subject would receive the consideration of Government.
Lord HOWICK said he was perfectly satisfied with
the suggestions thrown out by the Right Hon. Gentleman.
He hoped he would consider also the advantage of
ap-
pointing impartial examiners from among the public for
the schools, whether this patronage in the shape of re-
and were given or not.
Mr. EWART said, he had referred to the establish.
ment of libraries.
Sir ROBERT PEEL could not conceive anything
more binding on the rich manufacturers in the different
districts, than assisting in the establishment of libraries
for the working classes. Where there were wealthy
manufacturers, who had derived thousands and tens of
thousands from the labour of the working classes, he
could not imagine a more becoming return than esta-
blishing institutions of this kind. He believed in many
parts of the country this was the case.
Mr. EWART—There was not one town in England
where there was a library open to the public as they were
abroad.
Sir R. PEEL thought the Hon. Gentlemen hardly did
Justice to the manufacturers of the country. The ex-
pense was so small, and the effect on the connection be-
tween rich and poor so beneficial, that he should be
sorry to see the Government stepping in to relieve pri-
vate exertions from that which had been attended with
so good an effect. The interference of the Government
would tend to check that exertion.
Mr. EWART explained, amid cries of " Question."
Sir R. PEEL—I know the Hon. Member mentioned
schools of design, but surely he said libraries also.
The subject then dropped.
CASE OF MR. ROLLS.
Mr. FITZMAURICE then rose to draw the attention
of the House to the case of Mr. Joseph Henry Rolls.
This gentleman had been for fifteen years a landing-
waiter in the .service of the Customs, and had borne a
most irreproachable character. In the year 1840, Mr.
Rolls had overtures made to him by an individual to de-
fraud the Goiernment. He reported those overtures to
the Surveyor-General, and made a memorandum of
them at the time, and put it in his desk. Mr. Rolls had
stated before the Commissioners of Revenue Inquiry
that the frauds would not have been committed it' the
landing-waiters had had freer access to the board. From
1840 to 1842, no case of suspicion bad occurred, and in
that year Mr. Rolls had been suspended and dis-
charged. The wording of the charge against Mr. Rolls
differed from the wording of the other charges. The
other officers were charged with having concealed the
overtures made to them from the board, and from their
superior officers. The words " superior officers" were
omitted in the charge against Mr. Rolls. He appeared
before Mrs Dawson, made his defence, and stated that he
had repelled the overtures to his superior officers. The
Commissioners reported that the communication which
Mr. Rolls had made ought to have been sufficient to have
aroused the suspicions of his superior officer. Mr. Rolls,
however, was dismissed, but the Commissioners of
Revenue Inquiry recommended that he should be
reinstated vet, in May last, the Lords of the Treasury
had confirmed his d4reissal. He should like to know by
whom Mr. Rolls was iismiesed.; why by those who
never heard a single word of the evidence against him,
Could such persons, he would ask, be
proper judges of
his case ? If Mr. Rolls was guilty,
,I,et him be sent to
Newgate ; but if he was innocent, lei him be placed
t
in the eittiation he was in before. If )I..'e !ufi
such
for one situation, surely ho was unfit for all, th. uf
was the ease, why was his salary kept up? He firn..!v
be-
lieved in the innneence of Mr. Rolls ; and such beings...le,
case, he would conclude by moving that the petition set
Mr. Rolls should be referred to a Select Committee, who
were to report thereon, with the evidence, to the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that, front the number ?f orders and notices on the paper,
he did not anticipate the itetion of the Hon. Member
would have come on for discussion. The papers on the
subject had been orderea., but were not yet al the table
of the House. Ile regretted thisthemotrhen, bseictanunstetinntheoyf
would have reesented more clearly
the question than the Honourable Member had done.
There were eiregresteneee in
which this gentleman
dmight have for
,9rr nepus opinions, but he was
always inclined to p‘tt lenieu.t construction on his acts.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then detailed' tile
circum-
stances which led to the suspension of Mr. Rolls: When
he fiifirstcomollnica.ted to the chairman of t Board of
Customs vyikat iiita been told him concerning 4",

. _
Rolls, that gentleman wrote back, saying
he would as
soon suspect him as he would his own brother. _
report of the Board of Customs distinctly stated fit
that degree of confidence could not be reposed in ffitre
Rolls which had justified his Leing restored to th
situation which he filled. But his salary was paid (1113,
to the period at which the communication was made-
'
and another situation was offered to him, but of a
ferent character from that which he previously filled
•
The course pursued was that which was strictly on;
sistent with the public interest, and with the verdict 1,),-
the Board of Revenue. He had done all he could so.
make the removal of Mr. Rolls easy, both with respe,e,
to his feelings, and in a pecuniary point of view. ii`ci
he could say was, that he regretted that his Hon. Frienst,
should use any expression derogatory to the character
the Chairman of the Board of Customs, as he acted td
the way which most men acquainted with the facts vsn,u;',.
have done, and which was for the advantage of the puo"u
welfare.
Mr. DUNCOMBE did not think justice had been (1°13:
to- the character of Mr. Rolls by the Chancellor of
Exchequer. Mr. Rolls had acted throughout with in"
dependent and manly integrity ; he had communicated
the offer to bribe him to the Surveyor-Genera .
but that officer had not, as he should have done, eeEl2
municated it to the board until the frauds were ,
dis-
covered, twelve months after. He had been informed
that favouritism was going on to a most disgraceful ee,..
tent, and that young and inexperienced officers Vi 10:
placed over the heads of most experienced, efficient le
who bad been for years in her Majesty's service•
thought a strong case for inquiry had been made out's.%
he hoped the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman would dim
the House upon his motion. to
Sir R. PEEL thought it was unwise in the House
attempt to control the Board of Customs in then
patronage. He thought it had not been shown that 'n
Board of Customs had acted in an improper manner
the case which had just been brought under the cons' 1.,
ration of the House. He held in his hand a statereeno,
which had been signed by six members of the Board'
Customs, containing grounds why this Mr. Rolls shostae'
not be reinstated in his situation. It appeared from ,1:11,1
report which had been made by the Committee which Pro;
been appointed to investigate the Custom -house fralllo
that Mr. Candy, a person who had been engaged*
smuggling transactions' had made a proposal to
Rolls, for the purpOse of defrauding the Customs.
proposal, it was true, Mr. Rolls had rejected, but be "ft
failed to inform the Board of Customs of the circus,
stances. Although there was no imputation on the nalrs
racter of Mr. Rolls, yet circumstances had occurred
which rendered it unadvisable to reinstate him i.,,1111)
situation. Under these circumstances, he (Sir R.
she 0
hoped the House would not entertain the motion of u"
Hon. and Gallant Gentleman. that •
Mr. HAWES trusted that what had passed in
House would not affect Mr. Rolls in any other apPew
ment for which he might apply.
Lord G. LENNOX defended the character of ''
Rolls, and said that, in his opinion, the Commissions
of Customs had not sufficiently considered his case. 11,.5
believed that Mr. Rolls had been withdrawn from hit
situation by the Board of Customs upon insuflioien
evidence. •
Mr. F. T. BARING regretted that allusion had heal
made to the appointments in the Custom-house. ,•';'.o
thought it was much better to leave such matters to 1,0.0
consideration of the Board of Customs, as they were
only responsible parties. • 00'
Captain FITZMAURICE, in withdrawing Ina sass
tion, explained that he should have moved for tu-tio
papers three months ago, had he not understood it wt,
the intention to re-consider the case of Mr. Rolls, Iv'
a view to his restoration to office.
The motion was then, by leave, withdrawn.
INCENDIARY FIRES.
Mr. M. GIBSON said he rose, according to the n°o;
tice he had given, to call the attention of the Housen
the incendiarism ow prevalent in the counties of P°
r
folk, Suffolk, Essex, and Cambridge. He was 10";;,,,
that the fires were happily not so extensive n'fd
as they had been a short time ago, but thisirer
interval of reason furnished no reason wb ,;n" ,
for not inquiring into the condition of the popula,".(l
which appeared to have given rise to this most awful' he
wicked crime. The extent of the crime, it could n°_,"
doubted, had been very great during the last Sil' ;is
eight months, and he was speaking within the 111,..%a
when he said that considerably more than one hut?
fires bad occurred during that period in Suffolk no 0!
and perhaps upwards, of two hundred in the edict-1111r,
counties to the county of Suffolk. He bad been I,tit,
formed at an office which insured upwards of four 1311_,
lions of agricultural property, that their losses by tbm;
incendiary fires alone exceeded all their other losses Pitio
together; so that if the practice of incendiarism Avtlesse
continue it was clear it would be necessary for
offices greatly to increase their rates of insurani;
for agricultural property, or, not doing than,
they would be obliged to leave off insuring it at
They had lately seen such a general display of inve
a""t'ii
nant feeling, and such a total disregard of the rights
property, that it was become an absolute duty for the
property,
to probe the matter to the bottom. 151.°,0
Is variety of causes had been assigned for the disconte_.•
from which it had been alleged that this horrible Prvf;
tice of incendiarism had originated. The motion .e
(Mr. Gibson) intended to propose was in effect
nature of an address to the Crown, calling on the La„
vernment "to send down into these counties a Comm
sion of trustworthy, discreet, and confidential men,
can be depended on, for the purpose of inquiring
the general condition of the agricultural labourers
to
those counties, and far the purpose of ascertaining
what are the grievances under which they s;
supposed to suffer.' He (Mr. Gibson) mentioned sosi,
days ago to the House that he thought it desirable tnrit"
a commission should be sent down into the Easters
Counties for the purpose, he had mentioned, but
n ea
Right Hon. Secretary (Sir James Graham) did I'''.
that time accord with his opinion, and, in fact, stiaotti
that he could not agree to the proposition witniesl
further consideration. He (Deis Gibson) now trusts
that the further consideration whi:eh the Right Isla
Baronet had been enabled to give to the subject WOO .
make induce him to send down discreet persons; to this
quiries upon this subject. He did not suggest tilt of
inquiry should be made through the instrument37tee
the Poor-law Commissioners, not but what be hi1...,`"„0 ts
greatest confidence in those gentlemen; but there vi"tie
certain feeling abroad as to the poor-law itself, that, es,
should fear any report made by them upon the subs old
would not be satisfactory to the public, who w°
rather believe that a case was attempted to be made
for the good working of the poor-law rather bathe
searching searching inquiry into the actual condition Dl,..est
agricultural labourers. When he mentioned this sustigl
on a former occasion, the Right Hon. Gentleman mos
suggested that it should rest for a time, as there Nets
trials trials about to take place for this very crime °ts or
cendiarism, and it would be wise to await the resialoon.
them. But he (Mr. Gibson) called on .the Right stter
Gentleman to take a statesman's view of this nis-oiss
rather than that of a police-officer or a mere e
trator of the law. He called upon him not to ta-%.1
chief' officer's view of such matters, but one becoroitiii
a high and resposible adviser of the 'Crown. What igur
wanted was this, that the Government should dt
thoroughly into the depths of the case—that they, sh° St.
probe the existing cause of this crime with a viewbff
possible, of guarding against it for the future. It alKest
perhaps, be too much to assume that want and Os:, of
were the exciting causes of this crime, when snan/ee,
those now in charge could not plead this as ans 00
cuse for their hatred of property ; but nothing wtl.ol
well known as that where considerable discontent "di
murmuring prevail, there will be found individuals at of
times ready to work out the greatest crimes, though tt,
itlets
were not themselves the sufferers from the evils Iv an
prevailed. And he (Mr. Gibson) could say from
~us
authority, that both in that House and out of ,it we".„,
alike command respect—he meant Sir Henry Bunharg of
that this crime of incendiarism was but the syroPteoled
the dangerous and deep discontent which pre v,rhst
amongst the labouring population.—(Hear, hear.) ;oet
high authority used these very words :—" I must
my conviction that these incendiary fires are the sY
toms of a smouldering and dangerous discontent ael°37e.
the rural population."—(Hear, hear.) Neer he se-
Gibson) thought he had a right to call on the Govreily
ment to send down discreet and proper persons tLets
stitute an inquiry into the allegations which had ;be
made; and he had a double right to do this, when
recollected the statements which had been made ites
former occasion by the Right Hon. Gentleman opt,seiss
of the necessity of maintaining the comfort and, hipg
being of the rural population, and in acconsPhs teat
this, even to consent to sacrifice in a Jest.*
tradingdegree the and commercial in,.,""nties
of the country.—(taar, hear.) Honourable ur`sines
men opposite had contended, on a well-known oec,.,,aene4
that they must maintain their loved and lauded 7it
of rural felicity, which the Right Hon. Baronet (.100
Graham) had declared would at once cease if the core hoes
were repealed. Reverting, however, to the loncirtiesri
which many asserted to be the cause of those incelLi sok
fires, he (Mr. Gibson) wished to ki;ow if they lir;igo
these fires when the allowance system was at its xlted io'
under the old poor-law?—(Hear, hear.) He svattioen"
know how it was that, under the old poor-law, otlef,
diarism existed to as great an extent as it ,did nOw bau*
the new poor-law ?—(Hear, hear.) From this air
a right to conclude, that if the disease wes*e, 11„,"Desio
gether of a chronic nature, there was somethln liecitel
the mode of relief which prompted those ms
crimes.—(Hear, hear.) Without going, how, cvif „„
e (.14t"
the question of the operation of the poorslaw, e
so;l3e
Gibson) could not help feeling that there might 1 .Nero
truth in the assertion that the labouring classed'peiog
prejudiced against that law ; but he could ne.isstio f
himself to think it was the main cause of then'eliors
between the peasantry and the owners and
land. He said then, as he had said before in f We:-
of that House, that there was no class' ° • ( it'
sn •as
in this country more disposed to be svi a
trious—more . disposed to be orderly-501f. •
ling to bear up manfully against distressoe;6o
privations than the agricultural labourers a th ea
he was now alluding to. lf he wanted to pick 'Lai rer'.
amples of good conduct, he should go to the la my
of the eastern counties • and he could not but fee as, are,
the discontent must be of a very deep and sericlussnto sbo
to induce men of such good natural disposition„4 oe;
sepetration of so awful a crime as that of ineenelfst thy
but regref
aP'-nd.,:sere he must say that he could not b 0 rx;
conduct' of an Hon. Gentleman opposite, evi,Thho, on
jet
„for Norfolk (Mr. -Wodehouse), eefft,
(embers
former occtzt.ien
which want and despair have on men's no r
could bed in
overlooking altogether° per
00
tions—hadassumed that nothing beneficialthreugh theewiat
towards the suppression of crime,
the mercy o _ r "
the very proper, exercise of t G ao
strumentality of the gibbet, and hadsave founfdthfeauleetlls
which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir
tJamess,sti
guilty
at one of the recent assizes for the county Gentlt_l7so
had authorised in the case of the two youhtories7e 150
He did not mean to say• that the Honourablenjoned, bt h
had made such a remark as he had t
who had heard this question woul
VaatiVOSl the course of the Bight hivoemthootilugorishol.avir