The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-27 00:00:00

THE FRANCHISE.

On the motion of Sir 1)E LACY EVANS, returns
were ordered of appeals from the courts of the revising
barristers to the Court of Common Pleas. made up for
the year ending the Ist day of March, 1849; aiso, the
judgment in the case of Palmer v. Allen, omitted in a
former return.
MORTALITY IN THE NAVY.

On the motion of Capt.:in HARRIS, returns were or-
dered of the mortality per cent. amongst the officers and
crews of her :ilejesty's ships employed on the coast of
Africa during each of the years from 1840 to 1848, both
inclusive: of all slave vessels, their names and tonnage,
captured from 1840 to 1848, both inclusive; specifying
the date of capture, the latitude and longitude, and whe-
ther with slaves o❑ board or not: and of the number
of slaves captured during the same period in each year,
with the number of deaths between the date of capture
and adjudication, showing the annual per-centago of
mortality.

LAW OF SETTLEMENT IN ENGLAND.
Sir D. NORREYS postponed the question which he
had intended to ask of the First Lord of the Treasury
respecting the law of settlement on this side of the
Irish Channel till a future day.
MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND.
In reply to a question from Mr. CARDWELL
Mr. LABOUCFIERE replied that it was not the in-
tention of Government to take the division on the second
readings of this and the other similar Bills on the days

for, which they were fixed, and hoped therefore that the
Hon. Gentleman would not oppose bis postponing them to
a future day, in order that they might be rendered as per.
fact as possible.
THE FRANCHISE IN THE COLONIES.
Mr. AGLIONBY gave notice that on the discussion
of the Australian Representation Bill he should move
that the elective system be extended to New Zealand,
and, if there was no clause for it, that it should be ex•
tended especially to the southern provinces of that island.
THE BLOCKADE OF ATHENS.
Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask the Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs whether he would lay on the table of
, the House copies of the instructions to Admilar Sir
William Parker, mentioned at p. 316 of the " Corre-
spondence respecting the Demands made upon the Greek
Government," and particularly any order of her Majesty
in Council authorising that officer to blockade the ports
of Greece and take and detain vessels belonging to
Greek subjects or their Government?
Lord PALMERSTON said Sir W. Parker had re-
ceived orders from the Board of Admiralty, and that
it was not generally the custom to make these orders
the subject of an order in Council.
Mr. ANSTEY wished to know if the Noble Lord
would state whether it was necessary, in order to justify
such reprisals, for an order in Council to be issued.
Lord PALMERSTON was understood to say it
was not.
Mr. ADDERLEY wished to ask whether a late Secre-
taryship in the colonies had not been offered to Mr.
Dominick Bailley, formerly Secretary to the Canadas,
who assigned as a reason for refusing the appointment
that he did not think a stranger to the colonies could
discharge the office.
Mr. HAWES could not answer the question.
REPAYMENT OF IRISH ADVANCES.
Mr. MONSELL said, as warrants had been issued
against the persons in Ireland to whom advances had
been made by the Government, under the Labour Rate
Act, he wished to know whether, in consequence of the in-
tention of the Government to extend the period for the
repayment of the advances they were prepared to stay
those warrants until the decision of the House was
known ?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said, it was necessary under
the Act to issue the warrants, but it was not the inten-
tion of the Government to force their execution.
SURVEY OF THE IRISH COAST.
In reply to Mr. ANSTEY,
Mr. PARKER said, the survey of the Admiralty
fromWaterford to Dungarvon had been completed, and in
all probability the survey would be continued to Youghal.
TIPPERARY UNION.
In reply to Mr. SCULLY,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said there appeared to have
been consider able mortality in the Tipperary Union, but
the last accounts he had received did not bear out the
statement that 40 or 50 had died in a week.
EXPLANATION OF MR. BRIGHT.
Mr. BRIGHT asked the indulgence of the House
with reference to a personal matter affecting himself and
another Member of the House. It would be in their re-
collection that on the debate respecting the advances to
distressed unions in Ireland be made a statement as to the
difficulty of collecting the poor-rate in certain districts.
Amongst other statements that he made was, that a
large landed proprietor in the west of Ireland, and an
Hon. Member of this House representing an Irish
county, had made over to a near relative certain goods
and chattels, the furniture of a house, for the purpose
of saving them from being seized for the payment of
poor-rates. At the time be made that statement he bad
every reason to believe that the information was founded
in truth, but he had since had an opportunity of seeing
the Honourable Member on the subject, who bad laid
before. him papers and documents from which
he was bound to believe that the parties
who had furnished him with the information
were mistaken in their view of the purpose for which the
property was made over. He had not had time to com-
municate with them on the matter, but neverthetezai be
thought it right to accept the statement of the Hon.
Gentleman, and retract that which must have been
calculated to cast an imputation upon his character.
Mr. H. HERBERT acknowledged the candour with
which the Hon. Member had made this retractation, but
had he been aware of the intention of the Hon. Member
to make such a statement as they bad just heard, he
should have availed himself of the opportunity of reading
a letter which he had received from a large landed pro-
prietor in Ireland, controverting other portions of the
Hon. Gentleman's statement.—(Hear, hear.)
The subject then dropped.
ATTORNEYS AND SOLICITORS' CERTIFICATE
DUTY.

Sir D. Norreys, Mr. Henry Herbert, Col. Chatterton,
Mr. V. Smith, and Mr. Henley presented petitions pray-
ing for the repeal of the attorneys and solicitors' annual
certificate duty.
Sir JAMES DUKE also presented a petition from cer-
tain respectable attorneys practising in the city of London
praying for a remission of the duty on attorneys' annual
certificates.
Mr. AGLIONBY presented a similar petition from
the Law Society of Staple's Inn.
Mr. CARDWELL presented a similar petition from
Liverpool.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR presented similar
petitions from the Incorporated Law Society of Great
Britain, and from the counties of Bedford, Hereford,
Cambridge, Chester, Cumberland, Durham, Hants,
Huntingdon, and others, there being 178 petitions in
the whole.
The NOBLE LORD again rose, and said that it had been
his duty, before the termination of last session, to bring
under the consideration of the House the case of the
journeymen bakers of the metropolis, with a view to re-
lieve them from
,the hardships by which they were op-
pressed.—(Hear, hear.) The journeymen bakers formed
but a small portion of the community, yet the House
had given a fair consideration to their claims.—(Hear,
hear.) It was now his duty to bring before the House
the claims of another portion—a still smaller, and, in
point of numbers, a more insignificant portion—of the
community, but a portion whose power was acknow-
ledgedly great, and of whom it had been justly said that the
confessions made in all the confessionals in the world were
not, put together, half so important in their consequences
as those made to the attorneys of this country. How
great, then, might be the injury, were they to publish
the communications which had been made to them; and
yet how few had been the instances of any breach of
trust which the members of this body had committed.
The tax was so contrived as to press with all its
rigour upon the poor man, while it left the
wealthy man entirely free. But, notwithstanding
this, should the Noble Lord below him, as he
hoped he would not oppose, his motion, he should trust
to the good feelings of the House to carry it out.
The origin of this tax was when Mr. Pitt
was at his wit's end for an impost, and had tried several
others in vain. Upon the discussion of this Bill several
very facetious and sensible remarks had been made.
It would be much fairer to tax the practitioner
according to the amount of business which he
did and to his gain, and on the - same
principle as that on which the income-tax was imposed.
This certificate duty at present realised an annual sum of
120,0001., but the injustice did notend here, for each attor-
ney had to pay 1204 for stamps to his articles before he
could be allowed to practise, and the annual
receipts to the Government from this source
amounted, according to the last return, to 68,0001.
The injustice of the tax would Le apparent when he
mentioned that while the rich practitioner paid
a tax of only a half per cent., his less fortunate brother
in the profession actually paid 12 per cent. on his income.
It might be urged against this motion that attorneys
levied large contributions upoa the public, and that
other trades and professions were taxed according to the
same principle. lie, however, disputed the truth of the
latter objection, since that was a profession similarly
taxed and circumstanced as that of an attorney, while, if
they wished to decrease the gains of the attorney or the
costs of the solicitor, nothing was more calculated
to accomplish that object than this very motion.
The time was when attorneys made great profits, but
those times were gone. The House had, within the last
year, taken away from the attorneys a sum of 45,0001.
in hard cash by refusing to allow them any
discount upon stamps of upwards of 101. This duty
operated in a most injurious manner towards
managing clerks in attorneys' offices, affecting
their morality and their independence.—(Hear, hear.)
What the attorneys complained of was, that the odious
tax was still continued upon them, while
every day they were injured by the Legislature
rendering them unable to pay it. He had
already shown the House that the tax was not
general, that it was partial and unjust; and having done
so, he would leave the matter to the decision of the
House. The Noble Lord concluded by moving for leave
to bring in the Bill.
Sir DE LACY EVANS seconded the motion.
Mr. HAYTER must oppose the motion, as its effect
would be to reduce the revenue to the extent of upwards
of 120,0001. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving
that the further consideration of the motion should be
postponed to the 22d March.
Sir F. THESIG ER. supported the motion.
Mr. COCKBURN hoped the Government would
consider the proposition of the Noble Lord.
After a few observations from Colonel CRATTERTON
and Sir DE LACY Everts, the motion was postponed
to the 22d March.
SECULAR EDUCATION.
Mr. W. J. FOX said that in rising to move for leave
to bring in a Bill to promote secular education in Eng-
land and Wales, he was deeply sensible of the difficul-
ties cf the question. There were those who thought that
it was not the duty of Government to educate the
people, and there were those who thought such a duty
peculiarly belonged to them. Between these extremes
there was a large number of persons who held that
though Government should educate the people, it might
yet see that the people educated themselves. It was
upon this view that he had constructed the measure
which he hoped to be allowed to submit to the House.
He thought the difficulties on the subject of educating
the people arose now not from indifferenee, as formerly,
but from the machinery to be employed. The (Atlas
made for the promotion of education were honourable to
all. Of late years the Cheren had made magnificent
efforts, and so also had the Dissenters, to spread educa-
tion among the poorer classes. He believed also that the
Committee of Privy Council had sincerely endeavoured
to combine the agencies they found existing, and to pro-
mote the education of the people. And yet this result
was that these great bodies were in collision one with
another; that the minutes of Council were received
almost always with [angry discussion; that large num-
bers of the National Society repudiated the grants, and
that large numbers of Dissenters connected with the
British and Foreign School Society also repudiated the
grants. The Committee of the Privy Council had tried
to bring into harmony the jarring elements, but in vain,
and the result was that the progress of education lad
been stayed, and in some respects the movement had
been retrograde. Such a state of things was earnestly
to be deplored. A few years ago the Congregational j
Dinning deolued theiz jusenti9a of robing

200,000/. for educational purposes, but
more than 8,0001. having found its way into the helm
an!
of their committee. In consequence of this they
announced that their grants to their small and,Po7,
schools were suspended. From a report of the Nstiot of
Society, it appeared they found the annual sn
Sithcrulty
some ,f then schools a matter of greater -- of
than the building of them. In one of the rep
stated
the inspector of the southern district, it w" wretched'
had failed :110,t_
that flit only was the building of schools wrete, t
but that the attendance of scholars was such thou:.
could not he contemplated without regret. Ae°°bot
modation was provided for 130,000 scholars! ,
soot
not more than 14,0C0 attended. From a
itlpe:lared
by the National Society this year, •-de suss
that their finances were so inadequate that they had
pended the Luilding of schools, and bad placed restric-
tions on St. Mark's, Chelsea, and Battersea Tral:au,T.
schools. There were other grounds than these for
la.'
ing the attention of the House to the question• bin'',
the laet discussion on the subject, three year' Bg?'01
large body of evidence had been collected from Taroluess
sources as to the quality of the education, in this coo
try, and showing that there existed a strong nee° the
for a careful consideration of the qiiestion. Anejous
reason was the movements that had arisen in "roe
parts of the country on the subject of education. r _he
people of Lancashire had formed an association fo_stei,
Scot! 41,
education of the population of that county.,
which had always maintained a proud position for_Pef,
a 680.1 H.
educational system, now came forward with
more extensive secular education, in order thetyre The
ous education might not fail of its efficiency.
rat tropolis the working people had taken a deep
`"be
rest in the question, and had manifested this feeling
establishing a number of self-supporting
aC
which hundreds of their children were educeten6o.
the rate of 6d. per week for boys, and 4d. for gies.
There were still stronger reasons for making someote
Vance in this matter. No person could consider the
lout
of education in this and in foreign countries wiLlb'igb
feeling that this nation was not supporting her ob•
character and ancient prerogative. From returns
or
tained by the Government, it appeared that the Pretfois
tion to the population of persons educated was in Ft ding
1 in 6, in Bavaria 1 in 7 at day schools, and loci?.
of
Sunday schools 1 in 4, in Holland 1 in 8 exellesor
those privately educated, in Belgium 1 in 8, in I esti-
chusetts 1-in 6i, while in this country the highest in
schoolr,.
mate, that of Mr. Heine gave the proportion of eo!
81, including all kinds Of schools, although be betl the
lin 13 would be nearer the mark. Not only it
to
smallness of the proportion., but the irregularity 0
or iv
be lamented. It was not the same in two countiee, loses
different parishes in the same town, or in different
of the working people. In Liverpool it was lin .•' Il•
Salford lin 36, in Chester 1 in 20 in Sheffield 110
Cum,a
in Manchester 1 in 14. In Middlesex, Sussex, a° sae in
berland, the proportion was above the average, rswat-
Bedford and several other counties it was below it' dteg
wick and Chester were above the average. meoreeter
to recent returns from 407 cotton mills in Mane n'•
and the surrounding districts, no less than 82i disparity
of the factory operatives could read. Tbis is in
extended to the sezes. In the National Sells:Wades
London and its neighbourhood three boys *sere
reign
cated to two girls; while in the British and :,,°,sted
Schools of the metropolis only one girl was e":„B
to two boys. Another ground for inquiry "-dole
to the efficiency of the education given, and its sue, e' tle
raising barriers against criminality.—(Hear, bear,4 tole
knew that those who were disposed to make a logieabt io
of the argument he meant to use on this point tnigfroal
appearance make it recoil against education itself. tbst
returns on the table he found results which she"' &el/
education as now administered had had com Pare- to
little effect in preventing crime. Ho should rele.etis
years from 1837 to 1843, and should classify the °dative'
nals, as had been done, under four heads-1. Those rile
able to read or write; 2. Those able to read air well;
imperfectly; 3. Those able to read and write
erase
and 4. Those whose education bad. been of a 5,11,10- bed
kind. During those years the gross amount of 0.'1'4 erie
undergone great fluctuation; but the proportion e
minals classified as above showed no such diversity bad
per-tentage of criminals unable to read and writ re-.
decreased; the per-centage of criminals who uktint the,
ceived a superior education had also decreased;
per-tentage of criminals of the intermediate cl of
those who could read and write well—in other werflbe
those who had received the usual instruction °euld
poorer classes, had increased.—(Hear, hear.) It rioilitr
appear from the reports of Mr. Fletcher that %eer
results had taken place in other respects. For i°51845,
in the whole number of commitments for 1842,
idols
and 1844, the decrease had been 13 per cent., ;rot
the decrease in the number of the wholly rhos.'
criminals bad been 15 6.10 per cent. There bad 40
fore been an advance of the criminality of tiles oys'
enjoyed the instruction of schools under the pretentass
tem. Although he felt that religious instruction tot
most important to children, yet he was convinced
that instruction would only produce its genuine tjecige'
when given with a due admixture of secular know"„beig ,
—(Hear.) It was to the want of that secular tea'ivelf
that he ascribed the failure of the efforts so extols-do,
made to benefit the rising generation by matins "fining
cation. Without this teaching the child learned 0°,4" oar.
but words ef which he did not feel the meaning. floc
hear.) The'child might repeat them, but they 11-0. la'
sink into his mind, and an atmosphere of seetiire
struction was necessary, as a stimulus to tits refleeoroo
faculties.—(Elva-.) He would refer to the gaol re or
of 1848, and tak' t'.o test generally applied bC es
tains to ascertain the state in which the criminal Nayeoittetl
respects decitioa—siz., whether the party 0°3;40
could repeat the Lord's Pray
er. Children ~,:idren
parents bad taught them were not generally the endsea
found in gaols—(Hear.) It was the abandoned n`l"
of reprobate parents who were unable to resristes;
symbol of devotion so dear to all Christie & ',;*otts," '
sumed, therefore, though there might be ne%eertii rd ° ,
cases, that if a child was found able to repeat the -„s° the
Prayer, that child must have been at one or other,%,-. be
schools for educating the poor. Bearing that in ve,'",e,'„Alog. •
would apply the test. Out of 631 prisoners in •-r,orn'l
gaol there were only 204 who could not repeat the
-
Prayer, leaving 427 who had received only a ;—were
education. Of 229 in Cambridge prison only 0011
unable to repeat the prayer. In that of Cornwell 10
139 out of 684. In Dorset gaol only 57 out of 6';',.01 of
Lancaster prison 115 out of 603; and in the db,ivby
Sussex 80 out of 522. He might follow tba%-a't eat "
other returns from governors of gaols, showing th"-to et
or a total of 6,000 prisoners, 3,Q00 at least had ''e 'l3Ol
Sunday or some other schools. The impression wretis ,
these facts had made upon him, that, to render d be
gious education valuable it was necessary it sbewbeee
combined with secular knowledge, seems to hal d to
made upon the minds of almost all who bad attenue bit
the subject. The chaplain of Peritonville prig:44,4l;oV
last resort, stated that the proportion of educated
twat en-
victs to the uneducated was fully as high as en;
portion between those cldsses in the general pot ;o.
The same, iu a report before the House, state ost 0'
500 prisoners he found 178 bad attended some s foot
a school upwards of four years, and 193 less tbrenec"
years. Similar testimony was borne by prison in tilvtf
tors. In the fourteen di report on the Eletered"
2 rgescoecl ,aotuiltd it, was
t 5 statedt
d repeat recpt the Lord'sa
oeua
could
ato,felt2 0p ap
parts
ss
Prayer,onoe rf s e dZ
Cate'eo a, ''
chism, 5 the whole, the toed,
and 21 altogether untrained. In the fourteeut fools
port on Bodwin gaol, it was stated that 465 nriptilr, 8°
giving 99 nominallY tea re'
out of 684 could not repeat the Lord's Fra);"other,
could repeat it and had a general knowledge "a 4 esa
parts of Scripture, showing that 545 out of:6", eye
gone through training-schools. an append'XiriciSllf
of the reports, Mr. Fletcher, an inspector of the Lion
and Foreign Schools, stated that the school edne,estricts
the poor was still in infancy, and that in remote 'lo' old'
it was little more than nominal. The Rev.ll..slteetloo9
whose reports merited a great degree of et-siesi°o
stated that his experience led him to the een"wietlge '
that there was a greater amount of religious kneietere° •
in those schools where the reading of the 6erilstion
east etro•
was blended with a just proportion of secular
Another inspector, the Rev. T. Cooke, of th9;ifts
politan district, stated in his report that sel4oloao
struction was advanced in proportion to the ,X 111."
of the children in other studies. The R" 'stew"
B andford, an inspector for the eastern distrittiof "for
.°
his opinion to the West that it was iniposg"
teacher, however intelligent, to raise the standarifte 00
struction without an adequate supply of b°°eildrent
secular subjects, and that out of 12,786 he tea
examined, 2,891 read the Scriptures ''''s'erasatieu.
ease, on account of' their general in'esauestieet
The Committee of the Privy Council on ooze IP,:
stated, in one of their reports, that while tthret;upPli
efforts of religious societies there was a sulliele° rible" •
cf Bibles and other religious books in the eelloflin °ite
had been visited by their inspectors, there wetes. es
schools a deficiency of other elementary P."7here.4
omftecalleigniennit Antimseerrvicaatinnntr,avtheallterinlaidEnitgdinonwpana;sti'assoeoretl2.:
ptwhoeerrtepioutnapsuilgsufhittn,hwethose schools in which relig'ii-tbe P3;O
eGreosmpeulethhalensstheacpciuupalinstoefdtwheitsphdalgt
in the United State. Then, again, an intellieteg.-tod in and
traveller in America, S. C. Lyell,
in
iheeirenatctaernrdiendnnefaarttheDsti,vitnheehed:ee 010tteili °
recent work that the clergy were becotu7see
hmaodrebconvinced that where the education cusiiiest regalia
had
people were --t eolo-i
defence of their theological opinwioonrssh, iaind°3o2°°°Sat:lit'obertlr6s-nals
for the
funds for the support of their Ps-interet/a-0
the building of churches. His (Mr. F01,'64
from those different testimonies was, not tu"bas •
education should be checked or restricted,
which al
nbwnyouulsdl
ude hw thate
tl becomelrtabianting
as t
educatione o tusolhdtnank take the
tibestiyist
sicaoorosorpeetaoooioeooa
give boar ,t
the mind, and elicit its hest results in tu should "will
characters characters of ehildren.—(Hear, hear.) os the wo
endeavour briefly to explain thetable 0f lb
which he should move tor leave to lay on the taro super
not t°
Rota., and in which he had ,endeavoured
ll
sede any existing education of children, butse 00"
propos. tose
the deficiencies sf that education. ion Dad
deficiencies in the means of supplying "ducat 01°
pariah or combination of parisbee, should heou to es'
t
by her Majesty's inspectors; and in endeavin rft'e in:
timats those deficiencies he would have tbnerryf che
provisions
account every item of educational machine,
01, and
oil
tional schools, the British and Foreign nu
t h eb
edge:l6°,l;3;er;
publicin the
meansr pri va(
fe
asffchorodoilns.g
having be invit.
tained, he proposed that the locality
s should for t.btr,
to supply it, and that the inhabitants
educations
purpose be summoned to elect an educae rote the:Er'.
joserree id,
which committee would be empower t" Ain
habitants for the expenses necessarily.
at
they shoo._
rying out their views. He proposed tn
for the sob°. .!
'n whieti
eld'huecaatimoonunt of
at the same time, have a continued regard
pares or digs
already
they could meet the wants of their e ,
__soon was
of B
the first was, assuming that secular ,anon
in existence. There were two Modes ict;
their peculiar province, the presentry extolled;
remuneration to the teacher in eveiihops9l9o
Pohool for ao many pupils is tke

. end that he had efficiently instructed in the items
II s'h"ei educ,tion; and the other was the formatio
11'.,w scll°01,; tied these he (Mr. Fox) propose I shouldof
n
b free seho,l•,---schools to which an inhabitant 0 thel
Pariah or distiect would have the right to send his chi -
de, e
.s° elwtee the ages of Tr.ea and thirteen, without.
..c,eli,rge, Wiile;irt any distinction of teettmeet or tre.itiieei,
eta' 00 Wide; p:culiarittes ineule,tel, but leaving '
eri-nls t're6right-the ineliste able right-to have..tr,teir
ihl::'lren instriet td at fixed p-rieds, in whatever r,l 1,,l)
'Y migl,t thick Proper -(flear.) "
......-, proposed that,i
on leo. -
hi Mg the school, each child who had conducted , ra'elf to his naaster'e satisfaetion should have a p
-,,11l of books made to him, and that the Holy Scriptures
~-'4lll always toren a portion of those books. He pro-
b%'*,(l (het the traedier should be made as independentuais
[-,,,-3','lllei that he should be appointed, and that heshohudt
that eisfnissible, by the local education committee, but
.
!e, in ease ur dismissal, he should have a right of ap
1' Ie the E Iticatier; Committee of the Privy Council;
aild if instal
,should occur in which a district would be
le,eieless or so 1 eglectfel of its duty as not to tee:.
vliie te provide for the deficiency in the supply otec
till'lt• he woure;ve the Committee of the Privy Council
11:14t ,t° sleP".in and remedy- the evil. To masters
:41 e,,,1"11 Piro reasonable sal,•res; he would fix the
“hure 01:those Fallri,s a:, an amount which
_weouhled.
ii'.tire 1° lhrna a respectable social position. H
tell„nell,. that to he a m ,tt•r of the utrno-t po,sihle cense-
',,e' ne relied on tie schoolmeet,rs for the a-
lbtre"l'nt of educotion. He believed that it was only
elr'llid'i their instrumentality that the House could enef
t, , letter and brighter reru't;. among the children, o 4
.1? people thee these which they at eresent witn:shmie;
could 'l there was nothing in that scheme.
lied he offensive to those variouti religious bodies which
ti;;;Lutubteely dune Si) much for the cause of educe-
Iseeed "" Proposed no restraint upon them. His plan
hi, Petit ,au end to that interference which the trusteesf
ihelps earl occasioned so much vexation. If members belarseeo_
end,;leblished Church were to erect a scloamrisph, placed
seth thfhe.direction of a clergyman of the p Year
toe bishop as a visitor, but which sent. out from
th6rpl4etpir a certain number of.
,pupils qualified to take
Neter -3 as members of a civilized state, his scheme
hoped eward them for the work
,they had done. He
objectionst Dissenters aiso would and the measure un-
streahle• Their schools, also, would be free from
t4s liait. ,IP faa, he was inclined
.to adopt, in reference
°,llPtly dsaoJect, a distinction which had once been
°I .44wn by the Hon. Member for Surrey
erer,',ti 11. Drunamond) between education and in-
he ty education he understood a complete
li4 th.--I°4-sa drawing out of the mind, which coaueldLopecly.
onki- werk of a highly-gifted teacher, or of h
etfft.
er
tiled, e,Patent or master. By instruction, on t e
eh_...
the tea ";litiderstood the communication ot knowledg .
illfil ite'l`g of the faculties. That was a . lower task ,
file posers unfortunately the only one which it was in
1114e44 of legislation to accomplish through theo
iliti°4l-Ceiesonelli4°olnaesters. There was another class.
„ 'tea ,f•
.L'.' net help looking, and whose co7operatQloen..
set,e; i 4 • kee Utmost importance that they should.
,11hes letilefat matter-he meant the working people,
rtiletic`teen_rrere to bhe trained ; for without that co-
e',ll, ee„,7.. II ts of. t e Leeislature, or of any other
I,Tis locietill that subject could lead to the beneficial re-
ble that they should produce.
1143i4tiliieW'''assodesirlaass was, he feared, very
.much_
trat,d , ,of that c
Pr3(4lßi QY those who had not had opportunities of
h,l\foreith'erumurication with them.-(Hear,. hear.)
t'''''ral at eia.is there was a sturdy intelligence and a
-ri SiljSewhich • riled from charity - which.
ter rand recoiled
unwarranted, sometimes
Y e setnetimes not .
'ors,
1,141(1 ehitlehwarrantable suspicions of their Ripen
?iv • b,ludisposed them to read books which had
Diulr rlt-11 by. their betters in society for the
1411ta',3,e' 4' they believed, of producing a par-
that • actin
-- • • w he thought that
sterd. °li ori their min.o ,
44C141h in"S of inti-lleet, which' was the unavoidabele
ePt,st rc.ll4fraerit of self-culture, without the possession t
'hoe „)cferealadvantages, was entitled to respect.
,Itilsoi,nPle were dto send their childrelnishto.
Pup -ewiliell they bolted upon as charitable esftearb
the
,''firieeet which they thought were founded
'Lii,e-,4lProselytising their children to some particular.
'scloj-""notre - i - A society of working men in
,1111fsti411111ail put forth manifesto which contained a
Jsi'ftrib,.Pcel that subject, which was, he thought, well
n'lalbs„tef the attention of the House. (The Hon.
ilss ',er in which the writers ex-
b, ,Bse th . read the passage,
•4 k "lr determination not to allow their children
flei -PPert • .sects, and strongly de-
f 4 1141
t 4 toned among religious
11,lr e ?se dissensions amongst the members. of dif•
ifi,l4 lee 'l'leus denominations which had deprived them
ti;',ftfu-teeill,4_' of saving their.d childrenra,. from ignorance,
lation.) He believed
4,,,,` lie,e fe'secorepanyir.ig g
t," tbat, i w re the opinionseof the real working men,
q„ De; th
i Ilrit, nealculable advantage would be derived from
tarn t 1 -e, eft-operation of that class in a more exr--
terBi th-3teni of education. It was expected, pe
iii,i,ls watri he should say something of the cost
teti,lffeettt, Which he proposed. Now it would he
prOseo°ll upon his part to produce figures upon
%Nob Jeet. But he would remark that the first im-
re4;teie°,l4 the Mind was very likely to lead tol a highly
14114 re. 4,BtlMate of the outlay which. .thep an would
ii,•,;esat, Vie arsociation for education in the county of
It',l'lhey-sh,4,ni Made their calculations with great care,
tVte,, ',,a fade their calculations with great care,
Jund that they could supply sea o.ols,.fioer
lkbputede4Lleation of the country by a rate of 4 a
l'i 1141 ~ They had further found that they. could ess-
kiliasaef',.,teies of schools
6d.forftheeducation ot adults a
in the pound. That
)itiirils, ho;undfen by a rat , o
111li,e his (mever, was for a complete provision of schools,
e,ei ‘,el•• Vox's) plan was merely.prorsed to sup-
eq the 4llle deficiency. Then, again, ie would re-
-11 eree Mae that, after education should. have been
I e'll rtiere general and effective, they might reason-
on
fP,l4,iiraielatl 01); a great diminution o. f
.the expense o
Ihtllls , Pauperism, of punishing criminalfs, as well as
Nl'detN'tea3es of Property by theft-and urtheefr,thtehier
tolimjee a i,".1 Would receive in. educationthe
to the
P4ltaeee-e4lJentration for theeisr contributions
that which he pro-
,,clSth' As h "4 such a system
"i fee e e had said before, he should rely
tmaatideley.
i)tieti-eeers for the success of any scheme of h
kYeltitiele44,ll in that reliance he felt warranted bhee_
,`, -,„°°servation cf the Noble Lord at thehead,ago,
Ste,,' ite'!lth:."lllent, made in that House three years
Sis:
,4,,,,,,, ~,,,,,siae topic of education had been uenees_oe-
Illee it ts'he Noble Lord said upon that o i
N;41s11" alwaYs been my opinion that you could never
lOettl th,,Y raise education in this country until yol
41;it:t!.'' Indition and the prospects• of the schoo -
,lllet:iie 1.. ow that was the object he
.(Mr. Fox) had
'' hat lia -equrnending the salaries which he proposed
t"tq :ksure.
If anY erson doubted the importarice
Ilesrlisters in schools') he would direct the attention
ih%le,•,B°.‘n to the state of education in the Isle of
.Man.
wedt'Psi, -,iel4an Was perhaps the most perfect specimen
iLtit(sl ef a cotnnaunit universally and highly edu-
Itsl,4,,flif:rte4,3 regaeded the use of ink and paper. Every
,ti,''St -,,,' nad its school; and the inhabitants we.re. in
lill'ts:vs'l,' society in which the power of public opinion
I,44''ltiXei;th,o bear upon individuals. Parents in the
t N. chit re even subject to a penalty if they did not
44 Ile. eeddren to h l-a thine. which would not
p, titti se 00
tt5111,1 Nei% .lo this country-and(' yet the children
V tielleli la the most deplorable condition. which
.1111' be conceived. The Bishop, in writing
Nitl sobllflUittee of the Privy Council, said thatl
1/,,lstili tv%Pfail for raising the condition of the schoo -
44l•1Nelfie adopted, the education granted in the
41,fthillierilehe useless, and the children there would be
i4lili'' of 4 Useful knowledge by those of every other.
tlltl:rortreieitit.he country. It was not on the pupils
44 eitrtee colleges that he (Mr. Wox) would merely
':,'.; IN ,41IIR out that measure.r..,re''The profession of
~r;t"titetlt4thr.._had sunk in this co .stry because it brie'
ih„ pehieeneouyagemt whit was required in
devote tie selves heart and
eta% t lat
o__ Peopte to
; 'ilki'll fce trellPation. He believfit that persons well
14,4tkt °tit the t work existed in e-unsiderable numbers
1.,, per ks er Count y • and he 4, ought of the school-
t',:riire';k t;(1,,,i1el port '-uuscitrree.e. %fit. There was a
Vlifrfhige '',OY in some minds
,!leich enabled them
e'le, r the with children and tee, ccelerate their pro-
-I,ll4lilte .• wait of which no am .at of learning could
5.,411-14hitiPf Wear, hear.) He v.. 'ld throw
.open the
t,"1114 the ut feasters; he would 'eke aptitude for
i,,,,ll.,l'plirrat test in that competition; and then he
r- 14, 101
,Ward good teachers. Their function wasd
itikil';;.)th4ll:‘,Rlt well be deemed sacred, and they e-
yet, It, "L honours which society could bestow.-
4 I'll Ilit ttuated that the House would judge that
11111‘ tl4l itel ..14t1 importance and
.interest, and not by the.
i11,,1l oteip je.rfeet manner in which he had brought it
ll 4:lt tiltetiee.
• He merely wished at that moment
44:14)' that'. 4"°uld be laid upo he table of the
H e
see it Rh , • and that the ous
tailt,' -.44 - otlid be printed;
,'fitliell. thtY would take the measure. into their con-
lt,lhlti oft
Prayed the House to think of the. con-
t'l l''t riB on, thousands of children .in tehias
ilte4Nll,eh laethelnk of the crime which had thriven i_
ilefite,lltre to to see bring forth better fruits. He
ti''stifflly t'° think of those localities which were
ltb‘ifqfhe ,I,l(lftig forth hordes of untutored savages in
liii,-)l6r,e4ilit4i-etneti to derive from civilization only
q„'''( of au for becoming themselves a more un-
lenti,tes o'er ante to society. He would have them
4li;„tio'„Ne-et.et‘erowded gaols and hulks, and of our
11,",eitl',tt, e",,lees; he would have them think of the
Yltt.lPleil'er, and security which might be spread
‘ 44111414i11e the homes of the well-disposed by the ge-
litittiol'vetfat4hd the naoral conduct of the people ;he kV itedbio lineal look to higher motives-to motives of
1t .
NlVse I%rejlleter-and to consider that the intellec-
; tPefieb flatre of our country had ever been a. !'ctls,e,,outeetiri to that of its supremacy in arts and
qie,"eiely,,euve them look to those still higher
lrili '4
tte lea thepurposes of civil society should
~41 etllliehre°tuplish d
i',•i'e, e'e, -.11 ] -e , would yet remain to be realised
"Vtal; ivo„-)1,,wh0 by the means which they could
,lte!,lletr'ar wi,'.``,_he better qualified to fulfil the good
ct,ill;4l ''(„„ else-I,?",he had been formed by his beneficent
`l,ie'frb.",,geWe,l`s,) The Hon. Gentleman concluded
Vier °tete; eueers by moving for leave to bring in.a
kiq'.otte \vg the secular education of the people in
k.44.l\iv, Eiles.
, 54.04(1114,eetiti,W4, 8. anxious to render. his testimony to
,`ltlo. 04,11 ,‘ ability with which the lion. Gentle-
re,'tll tle bblht that subject under the notice of the N,'4l4;ed sj,,,•eved that the Hon. Member had rather
;,11flIetilesierci-‘ll, overstated the. deficiencies. in our
,7ele'ke li. ee 1,(4 educe.tion. The plans which had
L o'l
hi:ei"oth the extreme parties upon that sub-
Nl!kilrc,t 4t ttlo failed; and he did not see why they
, it ,fhe „ellgth leave it to parishes to tax them-
141A es• 4lslei'"sotlo f .•
( ' % LTS n 0 that object.
,llyilet lee.,
.‘,Elod Lord J. RUSSELL. r,-se together;
;te,k,tilse'thllltee°4thheaving given way, the Hon. Baronet
F VIN e tee- sPeeeh of the Hon. Member for
ie 4s Red ner and ability of which he readily
ke tee ---lie e
11.0 tit °llion of 'ad waited in respectful silence to
'444,1 4.1111,-ell th'e. es°l4° Member of her Majesty's Go-
eke, voce riejsstropeeed measure.
Q ttlt, (4d '4'l4 ain rose, amid some laughter,
4nki L. 5 4,1 With g
. .
'4 qi Or the permission of the Hon.
4ttl4.l.4taleitithe 'louse. The Noble Lord said
14144 Pend the Member fur the University
‘o have expected that some Member

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