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London, England, 1844-02-09 00:00:00

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BRUSSELS, FEB. 4.—We were not informed of the
date of the death of the Duke of Saxe Coburg. We
now learn that it was on the 2. Bth of January, in con-
sequence of an attack of gout in the stomach.
To-day, at noon, the King received, with the
usual ceremony, the great deputations sent by the
Senate and the Chamber of Representatives to offer to
his Majesty the expression of their condolence on the
death of his brother, the Duke of Saxe Coburg Gotha.
His Majesty returned very gracious answers to the ad-
dresses of the Presidents, and of the Senate and of the
Chamber of Representatives, observing that, if he had
lost a beloved brother, Belgium had lost a sincere
friend, who loved that country, which lie often visited,
watching with pleasure the improvement of its public
works, its manufactures, and its advance in the sciences
and fine arts, of which he was an enlightened protector.
A great nutnber of Members of both Chambers had

joined their respective deputations, and his Majesty
seemed to be much affected by these marks of sympathy.
RUSSIA.—(From the Agrant Gazette.)—A disagreeable
event in the military school at St. Petersburg is said to
have caused an extraordinary sensation among the Ru -
shin Nobility. One of the masters, }lasing the rank of a
general, who had something odd in his manners, was
laughed at by the pupils in his class, all of them sons of
noblemen. He complained, and at length laid the matter
before the Emperor, who looked on it as a very serious
breach of military discipline ; he went himself to the in-
stitution, and addressed the class very seriously. When
he threatened all with severe punishment, five youths
declared themselves to be the guilty parties. They re-
ceived each fifty blows with the cane, and were sent to
serve as common soldiors in the army of the Caucasus.
The nobles consider the first part of the punishment as a
violation of their privileges."

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
.HOUSE OF COMMONS. Feb. 8.
THE AMEERS OF SINDE.
Lord ASHLEY (in continuation from our Third Edi-
tion of last night) said—The Ameers were defeated and
dethroned. In the dispatches of the Governor-General
the Ameers were spoken of as if they were responsible.
The GoVernor-General, writing to the Secret Committee,
said the Ameers were entirely masters of their own
troops. It seemed to be doubtful even now that such
was the case. The Governor-General admitted since
then that the Ameers had not control over their troops ;
and if this weak and miserable Government was unable
to restrain even those who were said to act for it, was
it not cruel that they should be held responsible for
deeds 'over which they had no control whatever ? He
careully abstained from touching on the original policy
regarding the annexation of the territory of the Ameers.
He did not hesitate to say that he still entertained very
strong opinions on the subject, but he would consider
the deeds of which he spoke in the abstract. It was
utterly impossible that these Princes could be supposed
to have entertained any hostile intentions to-
wards this country. Why, if they had, would they
have left their women and their valuables in our power?
would they not have taken the ordinary precautions ?
(Hear, hear.) Would they have left those things which
they valued most at Hyderabad—all their treasure, and
their wives and children ? If they had intended to
march out and conduct hostile operations, it was mani-
fest they would have disposed of them, and sent them
westward. They had on former occasions done so ; why
not do so then ? Was it consistent with common sense
—was it in the course of common reason—that at a
period when our troops were almost defenceless and in-
significant in numbers, that the Ameers :would not have
fallen on them, but reserved their attack for a period at
which our troops were numerous, and they had no reason-
able chance of overcoming them ?—(Hear, hear.) But
even if the Ameers had been guilty, had they not
been already sufficiently sacrificed ?—(Hear, hear.)
Let the House consider the position in which the
Ameers were placed. They had been deprived of their
throne, of their rank, of their property, and of all inde-
pendent sustenance for themselves and their children.
They had been imprisoned and exposed to the greatest
privations. He would take the liberty of reading a
portion of a letter which had been addressed to the Go-
vernor of Bombay, by one of the captives. The writer
said—" I have received a letter from the ladies of my
family complaining that 565 rupees per month, allowed
by Sir Charles Napier, is not sufficient to keep up their
establishment." The House must recollect that what
would be a fitting establishment here would be consi-
dered as almost pauperism with the Ameers. This fact,
contained intheletter to which he had referred, was con-
firmed by a private letter which he (Lord Ashley) had
received from Bombay, dated the 28th of November, in
which it was stated that the grant to the ladies was in-
sufficient, and although application had been made to
increase it yet that application had not been attended to.
Unless the accounts contained in the letters from Hyder-
abad were grossly exaggerated, the condition of the
poor women was really wretched, without their hus-
bands, brothers, or sons, or any one to whom they
could apply for consolation. As a prison allowance no
doubt the allowance to the Ameers was liberal, but, as
if it were any allowance to the same persons at large, it
was contemptible. Was it the intention of the Govern-
ment that they should be treated as prisoners ?—(Hear,
hear.) In a letter he had received from Bombay his
correspondent stated that the Ameers had been
thrown into the deepest grief, as they be-
lieved that they were to be prisoners for life.
They were surprised that such a return should have
been made to them for past services.—(Hear, hear.)
They stated that while the Beloochees were in a state of
insurrection, they remained quite tranquil, and they
stated that they were entirely innocent of the charges
laid to their account. It appeared that the two sons of
Dost Mahomed had been confined in separate prisons,
and their separation had plunged their mother into the
deepest distress. She stated that it would much lessen
her grief if they were allowed to be in the same.prison
together. He would next refer the House to a letter of
Sir Charles Napier, and in doing so he did not wish to
cast any invidious reflection upon that gallant and dis-
tinguished officer. He thought that Gallant Officer was
entitled to every honour that the Crown could bestow
upon him, to the thanks of the House and of the country
for his gallantry. But still, speaking for the Ameers, he
felt bound to draw the attention of the House to this
letter, in order to show the spirit in which the inter
course with them had been conducted, and the insults
and degradation to which they had been subjected. The
letterwas dated on the 18th of March, and was addressed
by Sir Charles Napier to the Ameers in captivity
at Hyderabad. (The Noble Lord here quoted from
the letter of Sir Charles Napier, in which the
Gallant General stated that he was surprised at the false-
hoods the Ameers were telling him in their letters, and
that if they continued to tell those falsehoods, he would
not kill them as they had ordered their people to kill the
English—an accusation, observed the Noble Lord, which
has never been proved—but that he would put them in
irons on board an English ship ; that Shere Mahomed
was a weak man, and would soon be destroyed, and so
would. they unless they abstained from a repetitiOn of
their falsehoods. Was that language that ought to be
used to defeated men ?—(Hear, hear.) Even convicted
felons were permitted to urge a good character in miti-
gation of punishment, and the House should not forget
the services oT the Ameers at the time when we had
experienced reverses in Affghanistan—when the country
was in a state of the greatest anxiety—when our Indian
empire was in danger, they had faithfully rendered us
every assistance.—(Cheers.) In 1841, supplies were de-
manded of the Ameers, and were liberally bestowed.
Detachments of our army were marched through their
country, not only without opposition, but with their free
concurrence and cordial co-operation. They had done
everything they could to serve the British empire. If
they had been our enemies only in our prosperity, it.
should be remembered that they had been our friends in
the period of our adversity ; and on those grounds he
called upon, the House to interfeie in behalf of men who
had been' stripped of their public honours, of their
private property, and transferred to the solitude of a
prison.—(Cheers.) He would not enlarge upon their
love of hunting, or their treatment of their subjects; that
had nothing to do with the question. The question was
one of justice.—(Hear, hear.) Let them contrast the
conduct of the present Governor-General towards the
Ameers, with that of the illustrious Cornwallis towards
the sons of Tippoo Saib. He, the hereditary enemy of
the British in India, had delivered up his children as
hostages, and, as had been recorded by Mr. Mills in his
History of British India," the Marquis of Cornwallis
had received and treated them like a father.—(The
Noble Lord then read, amidst loud cheering, a passage
from Mr. Mills' work, relating to the reception and
treatment of the sons of Tippoo Saib.) When, seven
years afterwards, at the final overthrow of Seringapatam.
those princes were taken with arms in their hands, how
different had been the treatment which they had experi-
enced from that which had been experienced by the un-
fortunate Ameers ? A fortress had been fitted up for
their reception, and a liberal allowance made for their
support. Such was the treatment which they had ex-
perienced from the Marquis of Wellesley. They had
been our hereditary foes ; they had been brought up in
hatred of the British name. Their father and their
grandfather had wrought as much mischief. They
had been conquered in a conflict, the last of a
long war. To the Ameers we owed much. If
they had been once hostile, they had been oft times
friendly, and if they had been conquered in one fight,
that fight had been the beginning and the ending of
an unwilling hostility.—(Loud cheers.) He had often
been told that our empire in India was founded on
opinion. He would ask, was it on the opinion of our
justice, or of our force ?—(Loud cheers)—and he would
appeal to the House to mitigate that despotic power
which it was, perhaps, necessary to entrust to those to
whose care was c mflded the Government of our Indian
Empire.—(Loud cheers.) But despotic power might be
generous and just, and many men believed that a really
Christian empire would contribute to elevate and raise
the people of India. Whether by such means as these
Great Britain would hold the empire of the East, re-
mained to to seen. .At all events they had not made a
very auspicious beginning.—(Hear, hear.) If they made_
no more accessions to their-empire, let them not lose

what they had through injustice. Let them not weep
at the awful review ; Jet there be be no cause for,the°
to regret their confidence, and to exclaim, •

Heu pietas ! heu prisca fides I ' lod
We perceive no hope of justice for us til
Almighty, on the last day, pronounces his award
(Loud. cheering.) The Noble Lord concluded by ors,
ing for an address to the Crown, praying that her 11.7.
jesty will be graciously pleased to take into her e°llo/
sideration the situation and treatment of the Arose"
Sinde ; and that she will direct their immediate reStoro,
er
tion to liberty, and the enjoyment of their estates,
with such provision for their future maintenance O. WI
be considered a just equivalent.
The motion having been seconded, to
Mr. ROEBUCK began by justifying himself asi, a
the course he pursued with regard to Sinde. L'sls
given a notice on the subject last session, but the psl)`s,
relating to it were not then ready, and he gave the ea:a
liest notice he could in the present session, but he bt
been anticipated by the Noble Lord. He did not wS`e
to complain of the conduct of the Noble Lord, but,,,e
wished to justify the course he himself pursued. 40
thought the Noble Lord took too narrow a view 01 0
whole case—too narrow for so serious and so solenzat,
proceeding. It was easy, no doubt, to produce us;,
dividual instances of oprression, but it was the b°,,ria
ness of that House to begin with the beginning,:`o,
to consider who commenced the affair, when it was see
luntary, and when it became the inevitable conseque:tis
of n hat had been done by the predecessor of the prose
Governor-General.—(Hear.) It would not do to take;
view of the question at any particular point. He i 's! °„,,sl
take a short review of the history of Sinde, ant sear
divide it into certain great epochs. Up to theaoritse
1834, the object of the English Government was
ive,
fair and legitunate purpose of enlarging her con'''stio
and thereby diffusing the advantages of civilisa 0,
throughout the Eastern world. After that their ,Pfor
ceedings changed when Lord Auckland departene,,,
India.. Before coming to the immediate subject
tios
the House, he would give a brief outline of the P°''' the
of Sinde. It lay in the valley of the Indus from 0
Sea to the Sutlej, with an imaginary line Id
eastward to where the Sutlej disembogues of.
westward of the mountains of Hindostan, and the
tory of Gaulpoor was the boundary of the Eastern Pods,
tion. The Great Dourannee empire possessed Stn t!
which was governed by the Golora tribe. About sevecw
years ago the Sovereign of the country, whase „ers
scendant was still alive, was expelled by the AO-„er
who since governed it. The whole family of the for of
possessors were destroyed with the exceptior,l_4
one or two who escaped, and the descenaci.
of the original possessors was actually inexistence at
present moment. Sir Charles Napier, in one °.
i
letters, says that he had a letter from this instll to
_ offering to him half his revenue if he restored hhn otte
kingdom.. His name was Timour, and he lived ijltsel
Punpub. Thus, if it was a question; of humanity, •
ought go back to the son of the legitimate soveredonss
The Ameers having got possession of the kin,g est-
England was desirous of entering into commercia' the
tions with them, and a factory was established to.
country which they thrust out from jealous fee,so',
In the year 1809, the grand leading figure was,i-Vt-tlia
leon Bonaparte, and this country stipulated wn-ents:
Ameers that the French should not be allowed to qty
the country In 1816, a treaty was entered ill .0001
them which was renewed in 1820, with the adr-ssb•
stipulation that the Americans, as well as the tre .efis
were to be excluded. When Lord William Bentina o',o- •
to India, he believed it would be a benefit to this c the
of
try if he could enlarge its commerce by w 9 the
Indus. He sent Lieutenant Burnes according to
Court of Lahore, ostensibly for the purpose of tak',s The
fine white horses up the Indus to Runjeet Sing'" s to,
asserted object was one thing, but the real one was
survey the Indus, thus showing the corrupt nat"B29 to
English policy. When Lieut. Burnes went in,' tty
Sinde, he was met by every possible opposition' anr'eficil
tortuous and unworthy course, he was enabled tossa to
the Sutlej. So far, however, there was little w nrPoti,
blame in any one. What next followed was a tcelo'
the consequence of the negotiations .carried on by sell
nel Pottinger. This treaty, made in 1832, was ,-festP
important one. As all other treaties, so did this ;eh)
commence with swearing eternal friendship—(is„,itri
—and with a mutual declaration never to loco'
grasping eye upon each others power or defa% of
In that treaty there were three condittolloose
the utmost possible importance for .
to understand, because, in reference to them, "s Maud
Roebuck) was about to bring against Lord stae pub'
charges of the most flagrant treachery that ever ,laid
lic man had been guilty of. The first condition told the
he called their attention was that which b°l.,,itar
English not to bring any description of arms or laugh
stores up the river or on the roads to Sinde--(ss. stes
- the second condition bound the English not to ch? 05
any armed vessels or boats; and the third conditio Ile is
that no English merchants should be allowed to setirLacs•
Sinde, but come as occasion required, and having foss
acted their business, they should at once return 0 yes;
the country. Now, thus far, they had got to the
1834, at which period the British /authorities e,.b the
into a treaty with the Ameers. In this treaty N'l.,`l.lser
Ameers they ratified all the conditions of the "object
treaties, adding to them certain new clauses. The esslll
in this—the object from the first, though kept as ear f
in the back ground as possible—was the opening t
Indus. In the last-mentioned treaty, it was arrangs:ol
put duties and tolls payable in a particular way 005'
now to the most extraordinary event in all these tri,fig
actions. An idea at this time became prevalent as
%is
the rulers of India of danger to the English detn,i''',so
in India from attempts on the part of Russia.
was looked upon as influencing Persia, Persil'. ,d
looked upon as influencing Affghanistan, 00(1
for the purpose of defence, it was Pr°F,ssO•
to fit out and send an expedition against Afighawbrer
This was in the year 1838. Whilst this idea wassottifr
ing in the minds of the rulers of India, Colonel-r_
ger was directed to undertake further negotiatiort); ced
the Ameers, and proposals were made by him ° course
remarkable description. Hitherto in all our inter,„,srd,
with Sinde, all had apparently been fair and above_rrioto
The play, however, was now over—something s:their
was about to be enacted—and, like the tiger ot had
native jungle, it was found that though the 13,a;tril°
hitherto been velvet to the touch, it was soon ,°.O
the
with a terrific and crushing effect. Every aliish r'!"
House and the country knew the history of flg,s.4pr°'
terference in India, how stealthily and carefnliY, s wt./
ceeded, step by step, till the precise moment !"raie
arrived, when we did act indeed It was tnehey
this county Y 1" t/38
y never to interfere in India, 0r
- alivies
else, without getting n
something by it. Virbato. .01*0,
way Lord Auckland set about his designs , 0.'66 to
to the Ameers of Sinde (see "Blue Book," P- .'tts44.oo-
38), requiring their consent to raise a body 0' „Si/
be stationed at their capital. Such was the Pllt7
made to the Ameers of Sinde ; and in a istroraer, year'
knew too well what they had to expect.---cre6„,regias€ol
They had seen India overrun, province Or rtbei "'OO
kingdom by kingdom, by the British powe.,l*--baft tot
seen her advancing steadily and stealth"Y,',intig,ips.
surely—they saw the finger of fate was P-Ablr:S.
them, and this was the last step in that inexol:e
1? 0.'4
tiny which was to bring their own unfortunat 400.'4
The di
pality under our sway.— (Hear, hear.) - wbst es
which we made was denied. What matter? to s--10,
we do? Why we put the screw n19°,11, h
10058
threatened them—we told them we would let at lee
Sikh monarch amongst them. The Anleersto our 'et,
well knew the consequences of not receding„h A Vele,
mands. They had got a commercial treaty w"ii, peoPot
and, as we called ourselves, a magnisaia'° lose e
They had entered into a treaty with us, one e
or se° 00'
which especially prohibited us from hastingt,ms pro Psis
or raising an army in Sinde—and yet was '"ssass, ";
tion made to them. They had, previously toe srbe,e
cepted a Resident of us. Now was therein tn tr,
of advancing on Affghanistan, and tbe Awa O')
origin of all the" evils—(Loud cheers fr°1,31,,,,,e 0/0„,,v
terial benches)—herein was the source war lie °,-st
those waters of bitterness—(Cheers)--an- 130nie
charged Lord Auckland and the Right 11°11), sis
the Member for Nottingham (Sir J. Liobh°llser taajte
cause of all the evils that had since 'beset oaof
tth,
empire, of all the disasters in Affghsusista°,,,„„' aulni •
miseries which had befallen alike tjie the European community.—(Loud cheers fromnislte out
terial benches.) How did he (Mr. Roebuck) a the itt'be
that charge? One of his resolutions chargeords tal
Governor-General, first, with injustice t°„ed t?,,
Ameers, and next, with conduct which den°isi
•Dto
want of anything like a sound, wise, or n emceed cos
Well, he had said that in 1838 he had th not,
treaty with the Ameers of Sinde, and before r was 'se
dry with which fact was written, before
hungil to disfitbis
Lord Auckland ally took it upon ,'did it wit. all
of the whole principality of Sinde. And fes„,. binlasie4ion
way. He set on Shah Soojah to relinquish wtius condo ht
colfatihmesptoaysmupernetmoafeysnonvhersuthmes country' °u
what ?ca...;airisecceorifv7,
ebaerrdieedteormn determined under negotiations to be
,se
whom?—carried on by the Brua nolte4v, ;0.
ment.—(Hear, hear.) Now, unsolicited, _op an is
undertook to make ourselves mediator bev'uttast, v'tbs
dependent country and a poor unfortunate 0 erelY
lived on our charity, and whom we set 1743 e
0 revelau.'h's.
our own purpose. He had no allnY, b Soeitaiti
anything. The army was called Svhotirlish, 104
but it was recruited by the 1147. Jo op
by the English, officered by the Engnisfing it°
it was the English army, and we' these bionel
power of this army to back us, laid down __,t, Col
the Ameers, thus adding insult to injurpcl;:in the :To
Pottinger was now sent with what w 5'
"let the M°
~voct
partite treaty, but was warned not to
w__ ready,
Nhlch tiil`ei
know anything about it until everything
`then he was to announce the penalties
would be subjected, in the event of theirte tb"y6ibe Tot
the payments to Shah Soojah, as regula
undert°l
lish Government. Colonel Pottinaer
then f°'ee t°
mission, and in the transactions which injotic_eny
ntoo
the Ameers loudly exclaimed againns.etgillstlitti..oo.ocarchehrtnoel::
which they were subjected. The
vthaellnoinnssohleanhtls iy
ynpoiraohmitsoedredthuense,
twhoeucktiauns
1009.. e
on the Ameers to a reasonable
osae;otuny t• 11.11-sier,:tuh,
bnrootugandt odwonwrnigthhterien,saunitd thoavtehetoir
huenadreerthstea,sn_eat'thaht4se
of
soiled on, as doubtless they would b 3, , off,pri
daredll Hon.
common.
to
ss Baroneteetnsense
ue(pSnai
and
dJmoahnn
commona Hs Hothouse), akh oi v
we
dli
Baronetornab lu?ntaPatfeiow
hre(etr;e9ei
.rwet eht :rot
05-.
ment we did so, would have star
en soon
no;
Soojah would never have dared to op s"
ble
unthnre.odnAymueste erathsnedo f
tßShiiegnhdwteorblHadtoanfososugrroliebariet aibeht:sear4Gvioongitfs7hr
Hobhouse) had the hardihood to palmtrns ilsoojah
ll
The next paragraph went on to say
.nnd
artily es
had arrived with his own army.
carrying out the palpable fiction". T
ner t° re osi' gain
sbut at d
raamPe time "advised ''
suggestedth e Ameers
that
tt theomi
gh entermight
3e p
tt
ihoenm a to
ocnogm ethieninto,tohitsheviro-ast,raa4,ihfitsheLorbrdwaoasbpeirrits as
the
would regard the demonstration of such "