The Sun.
London, England, 1868-04-28 00:00:00

The house then went into committ,;;;n the resolutions
moved by Mr. Gladstone for the disendowment and dis-
establishment of the Irish Church.
Mr. WATKIN said he was more pleased with the speech
of the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gla•lstone) than ho was
with his resolutions. However, on full consideration, he
should not attempt to throw any impediment in the way
of Has proceedings, and therefore he should not press the
alteutlinont he had given notice of his intention of doing.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GOItST condemned the conduct of theOuposition in
bringing forward the motion at that particular tiny', espe-
cially as the right hon. gentleman said he brought it
under the consideration of the house because there was
great discontent in Ireland, and that it was a sentimental
grievance, which it was desirable to remnly. It was right
the question should be met by the great Conservative
party by a direct negative, and he fe;t that that stop would
be approved-by the country at largo.
Sir F. lIEVA.TE moved, as au amendment to the
first resolutiOn, the following—" That so long as the Union
between Great Britain and Ireland contiuues ti exit, it
is just and consistent that the principle of the E.tablished
Church should be maintained in Ireland, and its endow-
ment on a scale suitable to the wants of the population."
Mr. HORSMAN, after remarking that no one yet had
ventured to defend the Irish Church as having done its
duty as an Establishment, defended the. Liberal party from
the charge that they had neglected the question when in
office,Und were now precipitately intruding it for personal
objects. It was the obstinacy of the Conservative Opposi-
tion which had prevented the settlement of this and other
kindred questions, and he maintained that it bad been
first raised this session by Lord Mayo's Speech, sug-
gesting "levelling-up." He entered, too, at length into
the dispute between Mr. Gladstone an I Mr. Hardy,
and provoking frequent coniradictious from Mr.
Hardy, vindicated Mr.' Gladstone from the charge
of sudden and unexpected change of opinion,
and by numerous quotations from newspapers and leading
articles showed that he was understood hi 1865 to have
pronounced against the Irish Church. He confessed that
at that time disestablishment seemed unlikely ever to be
proposed by a Liberal Minister, but the question had come
rapidly to the front, and for this the Oonservati7a party
were chiefly responsible by the fundamental change they
had sanctioned last year. Nevertheless, had not the Go-
vernment challenged them to it by their inadequate Irish
programme and their policy of general endowment, he should
have deprecated any sudden revival of the question. But
now it had become necessary that the Liberal party should
affirm their counter policy of universal disendowment and
disestablishment, and for that purpose the three resolutions.
must be pressed and carried. .To another accusation
brought against the Liberal party, that they were only
anxious to turn out the Government, Mr. Horsman replied
in a vein of sarcastic banter by assuring the Ministry
that their opponents were clear that they wore best pro-
moting disestablishment bykeopiug them in office. Of nine
members of the Cabinet, eight were understood to be in
favour of disestablishment, and though the ninth—Mr.
Hardy—obstinately refused to bring his mind to it—the
disestablishment of the Ministry was a more importan
consideration with him—on that point he had no differ
onces with any of his colleagiies.

The debate was closed for the night by Lord JOHN
MANNERS, who, after a few remarks in reply to Mr.
Horsman, denying particularly that disestablishment had
ever been proposed by a Liberal Minister, and pledging
the Government to retire from office the moment they saw
that course would be most beneficial to the Established
Church, went on to discuss at some length the language
and objects of the first resolution. The disestablishmeut

of the Churoh of Ireland was not needed for the peace and
prosperity of the country, and for no yurpose, in fact, but
the reunion of the Liberal party. Ho showed the difficulty
of applying disestabliblunent to aa part • of Ireland, dilated

on the magnitude and novelty of the resolution involved,
and pointed out that exactly tho same principles might
be applied with greater force to the case of Engl,•and. Thu

real issue to be submitted to the country was, not the Irish
Church, but the separation of Church and State.
The adjournment of the debate was moved by Colonel
BARTTELOT, and on this question there was a very sharp

couversation. Mr. GLADSTONE expressed a hope that as
this, his first resolution, had been practically debated for
four days, the division would be taken ou it to-night.
Mr. DISRAELI replied- that the Government attached

Le greatest weight to this first resolution, though the

sf cand and third involved important legal and constitu-
tional difficulties. Being aurioni, therefore, that it should
receive the fullest discussion, and that the real principl •

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and consequences of Mr. Gladstoau's new Irish polcy
should ho placed unmistakably lirfore, the country, he de-
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cliued to coiumit himself to any ttuderstatiding to close the

debate to-Light.

Mr. AYR'I'ON reminduci the Prerni:•r of the numerous

iporta.ut bills which remained to be discussed, au,

pressed him not to prolong a hopeless resistance after the
house had virtually pronounced its opinion by so large a

majority.

Mr. 15/ISRAELI denied that the last division had been
;ikon ou the same issue as was presented by the reso-

ution.

Mr. WHITBREAD was of opinion that, considering
the press of other business, it might be the duty of the
house to insist on the debate being closed to-night, but
Sir G. Bowyer, Arr. Whalley, Mr. Nowdegate, Mr. Ne-
vin-Grenville, and Sir John Hay all protested against this.
Mr. GLADSTONE wound up the conversation by an
intimation that if groater spirit and novelty were not tat-
portel into the debate to-nig-lit, and if there was a strong
feeling against prolonging it, ho should be in favour of
pressing for a division.
The debate was then adjourned.
Some other business was disposed of, and the hotise ad-
journed at one o'clock.

BLUFFING INTELLIGENCE—This Day.

(BY TELEGRAPH.)
GRATESEND, Tuesday Morning.
Arrived.—Theodore Koernor and Alexand 3r von Hum-
bc ldt, from Dantzic.

DZAL, Tuesday Morning.

in J, W.N. W. ; moderate.

Passed—Yorktown, from New York, for London ; Ame-
rican Union, from London, for New York ; John and
Susan (of Wells) from the north for the west ; Crimea,
from Berbice ; Obey, from Bo:nbay -both for London.
Sailed - Simla, for Calcutta.

THE GREENLAND FISHERY,—Peterhead, April
2.s.—The River Tay, from Greenland, which passed this
port to-day, reports the following ships, viz.: -T he Mazin-
thun, of this port, with 11,000 seals; the Windward, of
this port, with 10,000 seals ; the Queen, of this port, with
3,000 seals; the Alexander, of Dundee, with 11,500 seals ;
the Tay, of Dundee, with 1,700 seals. These vessels were
last seen on the 18th of April. Off Peterhead—Arrived on
the 25th the Arctic, from Greeilland, clean ; the River Tay
ditto, with 3,000 seals, both for Dund:e. Lerwick, April
24. —The Arctic and the Labrador have arrived from
Greenland clean, and report the rust of the fleet equally
unsuccessful up to the I6th of April, when they left the
ice, and that at that time there was no prcspect of a seal
fishing this season.

SUSPECTED SUICIDE.—Dr. Lankestpr held an
inquest at the "Clown," Clerkanwell, 'on Saturday, on
Francis Horsfall, a retired bookseller, aged 42. It was
stated that ho took laudanutu to 'procure sleep, and ulti-
mately took too much. At all events he was found dying
behind the door of his room, and although three medical
men were called, neither would attend, and he died on the
following (Thursday)-'morning: Verdict=" Death from
an overdose of laudanum, mediclually,taken ; but the jury
expressed strong animadversion on the conduct of the three
medical men (whose names we withhold), espec'ally as there
was no doubt;of theideos being paid.
BILLS OF EXCIIANOE.—The Marquis of Clanri-
cardo has a bill before the. Housa of Lords proposing to
enact that the authority to any party to sign the name of
another person, either as drawer, acceptor; maker, or en-
dorsor, on.any bill of exchange or promissory note to be
made after this year shall be in writing and signed by the
person to be hereby (thereby) made chargeable; and no
signature to any such bill or note by any party so autho-
risad shall be sufficient to bind or charge such person,
unless the words "per procuration,".or the letters " P. P.,"
or other contraction siguifying the sam..,, be added to
such signature, or otherwise appear on such bill or note
plainly applicable thereto. A curious attempt is made to
secure perspicuity by de iguatieg the principal a "persoii"
and the agent a “party."

The Indian bully News reeordi the death- of

three tigers which kW been f,astiao for sxne
months on the workmen and m, &mules em;loled on the
East Indian Railway near Jubb )Ipre. It was'at last
found absolutely necessary to despatch a huge body of
native shikarries in pursuit of them, Ind on falling in with
the tigers the shikarries saluted them with a shower of
arrows, the shafts of which bad b 3en smeared with a
vegetable poison. The wounded animals, in endeavouring
to tear the arrows out of their flesh, swallowed a sufficient
quantity of the poison to cause an intense thirst, and the
moment they drank, from the peculiar nature of the poison,
they died.
The Cork Examiner states that no less than one
thousand emigrants emtarked at Queenstown for America
on Thursday last, on board the two steamers whichleft on
that day for Bost" 4

which said all troops were well and ani,uated
by admirable spirits, that all were aniinated
with a spirit of emulation, which was. intelligence
that must be gratifying to them all. He could only liken
the great event to the march of Cortez into AteXieo3 with
the difference that England in .what she had done was
only actuated by feelings of justice and civilisation, and
events would now very soon follow which would con-
vince the world of the purity of her intentions. (Hear,
hear.)
Colonel SYKES asked whether the Government could
state how King Theodore met his death.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said there was no information on
that particular point other than published.
THE IRISH CHURCII.
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