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forward this motion with any view of oe OS' tiring th. ;o-
vernment; but he could not understant I the justice of
inquiring into the judicial and diplomas do salaries, and
the salaries of official men with seats in 1 ?I krhament, and
not inquiring into others. No one had tit lid a word to
justify such a distinction.—(Hear,)
The House then divided on the previous question,
viz., " That the motion be now put," when there ap-
peered—
For putting the motion...
Against it ...
Majority against it •••
Consequently the motion was not put.
SALE OF POISONS.
Mr. SANDFORD then moved for a S. sleet Committee
to inquire what restrictions should be pl aged on the sale
of poisons.
Sir GEORGE GREY said the use of p of sons was more
frequent than formerly, and the sale of them required
regulation. A Bill had been prepared Dn the subject.
The difficulty was to enumerate or defir ue poisons, and
he thought the Committe would not pro. line the effect
the Hon. Member proposed. He hoped the Hon. Mem-
ber would therefore withdraw his motion.
Sir R. INGLIS thought the Hon. M. ember ought to
withdraw his motion, having been assur ed that the Go-
vernment intended to introduce a Bill on the subject.
Mr. BANKES said the Hon. Member might refer the
Bill when introduced to a Select Committ Be, if he thought
that course useful.
Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE then ;moved that the
House should go into Committee, pro ',forma on the
Elections (Ireland) Bill, which was agreed, to, and amend-
ments inserted.
The Defects in Leases Act Amendmen t Bill then went
through Committee, and Has ordered to ,be read a third
time to-morrow (this day.)
AMENDED FACTORY BILL.
Lord ASHLEY wished to say, in exi planation, with
regard to the Factory Bill, that he woul' I substitute the
clauses now in his hand instead of the ee already pro-
posed, which would impose a further li) siltation of the
meal time, and gave notice that he would propose them
on Thursday next, and which would h e printed with
the votes to-morrow. He had stated, NOD en he got leave
to introduce a Bill to amend the second clause of the
Factory Bill, that he would not intro duce any new
matter; but as it was impossible to carr y out his views
without doing so, he thought it but far to notify his
intention upon that point.
Mr. M. GIBSON said he thought sufficient time
would not be given to parties to consider .the matter.
Lord ASHLEY said the amendments vronld be printed
to-morrow with the votes, and that he had no intention
to take the House by surprise.
The matter then dropped, and the House adjourned at
One o'clock.

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would find themselves entirely dependent on the services
of those gentlemen, whose experience and ability ren-
dered them thorough judges of the manner in which of-
ficial business was conducted, and whose zeal and
energy were at the disposal of the Government in
office, whatever its opinions, the Whig servant
of the department as faithfully and energetically serving
the Tory Minister of the day as the Tory servant the
Whig Minister.(Hear, hear.) With such convictions,
he could not consent to any resolution that should in-
jure the interests and the prospects of so valuable a
body of men—(Hear, hear)—that should propose to give
them a less reward for their great labour than their
labours intrinsically merited, merely because the price
of provisions might be low at a particular time.—(Hear,
hear.) It was to be borne in mind that the great public
bodies, the East India House, the Bank of England, the
great commercial firms, thoroughly appreciated the ser-
vices of such men, and gave them their fitting reward.
Let the House of Commons once resolve that the same
fitting reward should not be given to the servants of the
State, and an irreparable injury would be at once inflicted
upon the public service; the economy would soon manifest
itself to be a deeply mischievous waste, that should drive
such men as the public service now possessed into pri-
vate service, that extended to them the due reward of their
energy, their ability, their experience, and their labour.
He felt, therefore, on this ground that the motion ought
not to be adopted. But there was another part of the
motion which was perfectly understood by the Hon.
Member for the West Riding. even before it was ex-
plained by the Hon. Member fur Buckinghamshire. It
propoEel not merely a revision of salaries in all the
public departments, but a revision of wages in every
department of the public service, with a view to a just
and adequate reduction thereof. It would be impossible
for the Government to accept such a motion—as the Hon.
and Learned Member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck) seemed
to suppose they might have done—without exciting an
expectation throughout the country that they were about
to make a reduction of wages in every department of the
public service. And on what ground was such a reduction
to be made? It had been clearly explained by the Hon.
Member for Buckinghamshire. That ground was
not that the wages of persons employed by
private individuals in the metropolis or elsewhere had
generally fallen, but it was this—that there was so much
distress in the country arising from the repeal of the
duties on corn and other import duties, that the only re-
source by which they could satisfy the distressed part of
the community was by reducing the wages of every
man in the public department. He (Lord J. Russell's)
answer was that this statement was not true—(Hear,
hear, and cheers)—for, from every account he had heard
with respect to wages, except in some few of the agri-
cultural counties—(Cries of "Oh, oh!" and laughter
from the Protectionist benches)—there had been no re-
ductions of wages, and the labouring classes of the
country were not now obliged to receive a less remune-
ration for their work than they obtained before the Act
of 1846 was passed.—(Cries of " Oh, oh !" from the Pro-
tectionists, met by cheers from the Ministerial side.) He
(Lord J. Russell) would not, therefore, give any coun-
tenance to that delusion. He would not aid the Hon.
Gentleman in inducing the House to express an opinion
that the country was in such a state of distress, owing
to the adoption of what had been called the policy of
free trade, that it was absolutely necessary for the Go-
vernment to reduce the wages of every labourer in their
employment. His (Lord J. Russell's) belief was, that the
reverse was the fact. He believed that, generally speaking
—and he had received a good deal of information on the
subject from various quarters—the labouring classes
of this country were now iu a better condition than they
had been in before the adoption of that policy—
(Shouts of " Oh, oh!" from the Protectionists,
and cheers from the Ministerial benches)—which some
Hon. Gentlemen opposite so strongly reprobated.—(A
cry of " No, no.") The Hon. Gentleman who doubted
this assertion was quite welcome to entertain his own
opinion, but he could not expect him (Lord J. Russell),
entertaining, as he slid, an opposite conviction, to assent
to a measure which would disseminate throughout the
country the belief that the House of Commons con-
sidered that the nation had been reduced to so distressed
a state in consequence of the adoption of free-trade that
it was absolutely necessary to reduce wages. He (Lord
J. Russell) had asked the Hon. Member for Bucking-
hamshire, the other night, instead of proposing motions of
this kind, and voting for the reduction of various taxes,
to bring forward some direct motion for protection, that
they might have the question fairly tried between
those who thought that system ought to be restored
and those whoewere opposed to its restoration. The
Hon. Gentleman then said that he and his friends had
only voted for these reductions of taxation to save their
suffering constituents. It appeared, then, that the Hon.
Gentleman, in order to promote the interests of his con-
stituents in Buckinghamshire, had felt himself obliged to
vote for a reduction of the duty on paper, and of the
duty upon marine insurances.—(A laugh.) That cer-
tainly seemed an odd mode of relieving the distress of
Buckinghamshire. But the Hon. Gentleman had also
said that this was a kind of campaign, and he told them
he was too skilful a general to take his plan of campaign
from his opponents. Ho (Lord John Russell) thought
his Honourable Friend the Member for Montrose (Mr.
Hume) should ply duo attention to those words.—
(Laughter.) Whether the plan of campaign adopted
by the Honourable Member fur Buckinghamshire was
good or bad,- he clearly showed what his object was
—that, whether he marched to the right or to the left
for the purpose of a feint, his real object was to
assail the intrenchments of the Free-traders, and to put
an end to that system. The Hon. Gentleman plainly
showed that he and his friends were convinced that they
would be-in a minority if they were to bring forward a
motion fur the re-establishment of protection, but they
considered that under the guise, ur rather disguise, of
motions fur a reduction of taxation, they might secure
the assistance of some allies, who would otherwise shrink
from joining th3m ; and that they might thus at length
attain what they declared plainly to be their object--the
restoration of protective duties. With that object
plainly declared lie (Lord J. Russell) thought there
could be little doubt that the Hon. Member f,r the
West Riding had perceived with sagacity their inten-
tion—(Hear, hear)—and had determined not to be misled
by their plan of campaign.
" Mutemus clypecs, Danaumque insignia nobis
Apterous."
" We have no chance of escape," said the Hon. Gentle-
man and his friends, "in our own armour as Tories; but
if we appear as great economists, as great friends of re-
duction, as men who wish to diminish taxation, then we
may carry some motion which will be, at all events, ex-
ceedingly hostile to the Government, and thus by certain
roundabout and circuitous modes, we may at length at-
tain our real object—the restoration of a protective duty
upon grain. He (Lord J. Russell) thought this was quite
enough to induce those Hon. Members who did nbt seek
the attainment of the same end, not to vote for a resolu-
tion which would effect no real economy—(Oh, oh!)
—which, so far from saving 1,000;0001., would not save
a single pound of the public expenditure. He doubted
whether, with regard to true economy, they could make
reductions more speedily or more safely than in the
mode proposed by the Government. He believed the
State might find, as the railroad companies to which his
Right Honourable Friend referred had found, that
if they made sudden reductions in the public
departments they would unsettle their whole es-
tablishments, they would induce many of their
best public servants to look for other em-
ployments, and they would probably be obliged to buy
good service with larger rewards than they now thought
it necessary to give. He believed the only true mode of
economy was that adopted by the Government,—to make
a gradual revision of the public departments, to treat no
individual with injustice, but in the case of any vacan-
cies not to fill up places which were unnecessary—
(Hear, hear)—and if any other departments besides
those which had been mentioned should hereafter seem
fit subjects for inquiry, to let such inquiry be made. In
that manner they would carry into effect, gradually, in.
deed, but with justice to individuals and with benefit to
the state, a large and permanent system of economy.
If,
on the contrary, the House were to adopt this resolu-
tion,thee, would apparently be giving a vote for economy,
but, . fact, they would do little for economy, while they
would tend to promote
a further object, against which
majority
he believed a of that House—if the question
was presented to them plainly and directly—were pre-
pared to decide.—(R and
cheers.)
Sir C. BURRELL observed, that as the Noble Lord
bad stated that the wages of agricultural labourers had
not been reduced, he beggedht.d to inform him that in the
south of England they fallen. It was impossible
that the price of corn could Ythefallen one-third, as
producreedP
compared with what it was before caolnofththeewcaogrnes-
laws, without an effect being
of labour.
Mr. HENLEY, in reply, said be thoughttheneuity in
hNoble
Lord (Lord J. Russell) had shown his usual
fold a ing
endeavouring to gather back intoother
aide,prportion
of the Honourable Gentlemen on the
on some late occasions, had not shown themseiv:ewho,
is
posed to act as a very disciplined body,-...(4 laugh.)d
-
The Noble Lord had taken great offence because cer-
tain Members on that (the Opposition) side of the etensehad voted, on a late occasion, against certain taaes.But
the Noble Lord seemed to have forgotten what happened
two sessions ago, when he proposed to put on an addi-
tional property-tax. There was a sort of growl all
round the House—(A laugh)—he could not call it any-
thing else—which warned the Noble Lord that it would
not do-to go on:with his plan. And what was the result?
That the Government were obliged to come down to the
House 'with amended estimates. The Noble Lord had
opposed this motion as unjust both to the Ministry and
to the subjects of the proposal. The Chancellor of the
Exchequer, however, had said, "I agree with the mover
in his- principle, but I will not consent to the motion,
because it will be a vote of censure upon the Govern-
ment "—(A laugh)—and then, because the motion was
a vote of censure, the Right Honourable Gentleman did
not face it with a direct negative, but he moved the
previous question. It was urged that the Treasury had
been reformed; but it was forgotten that it had been
reported upon by the Committee on the miscellane-
ous expenditure two years ago. But be (Mr. Hen-
ley) did not bring the Treasury or the Home-office
especially under the consideration cf the House ; these
were in the estimates every year.—(Hear, hear.) No
one who had opposed the motion had said a word about
any one great revenue department.—(Hear, hear.) The
Noble Lord talked about the savings in 1833, but he had
overstated the amount by nearly 100 0001. The fact was,
that the establishments often paid off with one hand and
I_Aook on with another. The Hon. Member fur Oxford
-had alluded to a matter which would have been as well !
not brought before the House, a private matter of a FOREIGN SPIRITS.—A vessel which has arrived
county society, which he said had dissolved itself because from Stettin has brought 438 puncheons of spirits, compris-
the members gave up protection. The fact was that it ing, with the exception of a quantity of spelter in bulk, the
was a defensive society, and there was nothing left to entire cargo, and consigned to order. This large importa-
defend; there was a difference of opinion as to what tion of spirits from Prussia is very unusual. Another remark-
should bo done in future, and as to having new rules,and able feature in this arrival is, that the vessel in which the
the society, therefore, came to an end of its own accord. importation took place belonged to Russia.
As to the Noble Lord's taunt, if their (the Protectionists') NOVEL SPORT.—A seal 4-12- feet in length, and
views of the recent policy were right, the time would
weighing upwards of 1681b5., was shot a few days since at
Come when the subject would force itself on the Pill,near Bristol, by Mr. Davis, the tide-surveyor on that
Houses—Wear; IMO kie (MAConley) had not brought station. The seal when discovered was basking in the sun
on the Donny below high-vigor mark.

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PORTLAND ROOMS, FOLEY-STREET, PORTLAND-PLACE.
THE BACHELORS beg to announce to their
friends and the public, that their GRANT> PLAIN DRESS
BALL, under the direction of Mr. Albert Leonoird, will take place
at the above Rooms, on FRIDAY NEXT, MAr 3, 1850, not this
evening, as stated in the " Times" in error this Clay.
Tickets, 2s. 6d. each, to be had only at Jackson:"s Library, Opera
Arcade ; and at the Rooms on the night of the 8901.

EER MAJESTY'S TI3IEATRE.
Grand Classical, Dramatic, Miscellaneous Concerted
MUSICAL ENTERTAINMENT will be given early in the month
•f MAY, selected from the following admired authors :—Weber,
Spohr, Purcell, M. Loeke, Spontini, Paesiello, :Meyerbeer, Cima-
rosa, Haydn, Beethoven, Rossini, and embraci n g several highly
interesting novelties. On this occasion will appear Madame Sontatr,
Mdlle. Farodi, Mdlle. Giuliani, ldiss Catherine Wayes, Mdlle. Ida
Bertrand, and Madame Frezzolini; Signori Calzoyali, Sims Reeves,
Baucarde, Coletti, Belletti, Lorenzo, and F. .Lablache. Herr
Muller and Signor Lablache, supported by all the, Instrumental and
Choral resources of the Theatre.
The whole under the direction of Mr. :Balfe.

Amongst other novelties, Madame Sontag will b eve the honour to
sing the " Swiss Airs," by Eckert, and the variali one on " Ah vows
dirai-je," by Adolphe Adam, as sung by her with the most enthusi-
astic success at the Concerts of the Grand Censer vatoire of Paris ;
in addition to which will be presented a Trio for three Tenors, a Trio
for three Basses, and a Trio for three Sopranos.
Full particulars will be shortly announced.

HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE.
GRAND EXTRA NIGHT.
Comprislng the talents of Madame Songtag, Signori Baucarde, Sims
Reeves, Coletti, Bellett], and Lablache ; Mdlle.. Carlotta Grin'
Mdlle. Marie Taglioni, and Mdlle. Amalia Ecrrats,
Will take place

THEATRE ROYAL, ADELPHI.
Under the direction of Madame Celeste.
THIS EVENING,

. _
Will be performed the celebrated drama of TIM MYSTERIOUS
STRANGER. Count Henry Beausoleil, Mr. Hughes ; Count
Tennis, Mr. Boyce ; Captain Gasconade, Mr. Worrell; * * *
Madame Celeste ; Duplumet, Mr. Cullenford ; 3ladlle. de Nantelle,
Miss E. Harding.
To be followed by a grand historical Spectacle Vaudeville, entitled
PLAYING FIRST FIDDLE ; or, Follow my Leader Principal
Characters by Messrs. P. Bedford, Lambert, Madame Celeste, Miss
Woolgar, and Miss K. Fitzwilliam.
To conclude with MY PRECIOUS BETSY. Characters by
Wright, Bedford, Worrell; Miss Harding, and Mrs. F. MatthewMessrs.s.

ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE
THIS EVENING
Will be performed CHARLES THE TWELFTH.
After which (27th time) a Lyrical, Comical Pastoral, entitled
CYMON and IPHIGENIA, altered from the text of David Garrick.
Characters by Messrs. C. Mathews, Harley, F. Matthews, R. Roxby,
F. Cooke; Miss St. George, Miss Kenworthy, Miss H. Gilbert,
Mrs. Humby, Miss Oliver, Miss Manners, and Miss Martindale.
To conclude with TWO IN THE MORNING.
All applications for Private Boxes must be made to Mr. Allcroft
15, New Bond-street.
The Box-office, adjoining the Theatre, in Wellington-street, is
open daily from Ten to Six o'clock, under the superintendence of
Mr. T. F. Bennett.

PRINCESS'S THEATRE.
THIS EVENING,
Will be Presented the entirely new Opera (composedexpressly for this
Theatre, by Signor F. Schira), entitled
THE °PHAN OF GENEVA.
Count de Meryllle, Mr. Allen; Carwin. Mr. Weiss; Fontaine,
Miss
Mr, 11. Co; Picard Mr.* Latter; Levine, Mr. Wynn ; Therese,
:Louisa Picard,
After which a New Grand Tale of Enchantment, with splendid
entitled' Costumes,and Appointments; extensive Machinery, &c.,
THE QUEEN OF THE ROSES • or The Sorcerer of Candahar.
Principal characters by Messrs Ry'der,' Forman
Miss Louisa Howard, Miss Saunders, ' Honey, Craven ;
and Miss Vill ars.

ASTLErs ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE.
gragr,ldr. W. Batty.
r opr iet o r
oafn d:ai
7eaatraoinary and talented Artiste,
Easter Spectacle of Enchant-
Triumphant success of the new
31adilo. Gardoni, on the
meat.—Reappearance
Tight Rope.
THIS EVENING
The Entertainments will commence at Seven
Fitzball's magnificent Spectacle entitledo'cleck, with
,
THE FOUR SONS OF AYMON ; or The Days of Char] mgne
Produced with great splendour, and introducing the whore of
vast resources of this Establishment, including the beautiful
Stud,
together with the Camels, Zebras, &c., &c.
To be succeeded by the talented Male and Female Artists of the
Establishment.
To conclude with the interesting Melodrama of
MEG MURDOCK ; or, the Fatal Glen.
Box-officee
Ma open From Eleven till Wes Four.
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