The Sun.
London, England, 1868-05-02 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 2, 1868,

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ANALYSIS OF 71IE L ATE DIVISION.

The resolution that the Irish Church should cease to
exist as an establishment, due regard being had to all per-
sonal interests and to all individual rights of property, was
carried by 330 to 265, the majority being one less and the
minority five less than the numbers voting in the great divi-

sion of the 4th of April. On the present occasion the

majority consisted of 322 Liberals and eight Conserva-
tives ; the minority was made up of 260 Conservatives and

five Liberals.

The eight Conservatives who voted with Mr. Gladstone
were Lord Bingham, Mr. Butler-Johnstone, Mr. Earle,
Mr. Leader, Sir Joseph M`Kenna, Mr. M`Lagan, Mr.
George Morris, and Colonel Vandeleur. With the excep-

tion of Mr. Butler-Johnstone and Mr. Earle, they repre-

sent Irish constituencies. Lord Bingham, Mr. Butler
Johnstone, Mr. Earle, Sir J. M'Kenna, and Mr. Morris

supported Mr. Gladstone in both divisions of April 4 ;
Mr. M`Lagan then voted with the Government in the
first— with the Opposition in the second ; while neither
Mr. Leader nor Colonel Yandeleur took part in either of

those divisions.
The five Liberals who now voted with Ministers were

Mr. Antrobus, Lord.Cremorne, Lord Eleho, Mr. Saunder-
son, and Mr. Wyld. With the exception of Lord Elcho,
who did nut vote in the second division of April 4, but
supported the Government in the first, these five hon.
members took the same side then that they have now.
Three more Liberals who then voted with the Ministry—
Mr. Briscoe, Sir James Matheson, and Mr. Maxwell -
took no part in the second division.
The secessions from each party have been exactly
reversed. A month ago, eight Liberals and five Conserva-
tives went over to the opposite sides ; now the numbers
are respectively eight Conservatives and five Liberals.

The following Liberals who paired in favour of Mr.
Gladstone's motion on April 4 now voted with their

party :—Sir H. W. Barron, Mr. W. B. Beaumont, Mr.
Dundas, Mr. Dunlop, Mr. G. C. Glyn, Sir G.
Grey, Mr. Jackson, Lord Milton, Mr. Norwood, Mr.

Tite, and Sir Hedworth Williamson.' Mr. Henry Seymour,

who then paired, was not present on this occasion. The
Liberals who neither voted nor paired on April 4, and now
went into the lobby with Mr. Gladstone, were the Hon.

W. P. Carington (since returned for Wycombe), Mr. Julian
Goldsmid (returned from his wedding tour), and Mr. Jar-

dine (then absent through domestic affliction).
On the other hand, the following Conservatives who
paired against Mr. Gladstone's motion on the last occa-
sion now supported their party in person :—Sir P. Burrell,
Mr. Barrow, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Kennard, the Hon. H. P. Liddell, Mr. Long, Sir
John Pakington, Lord Henry Percy, Mr. Tollemache,
and Mr. C. W. Wynn. Lord Henry Scott
and Mr. Jones, who then paired, were now absent.
The Conservatives who then neither voted nor
paired, and now went with the Government, were Mr.
Lopes, Lord Mahon, Mr. Miles, Major Green Thompson,
and Mr. Tumor (since returned for Launceston, Leomin-
ster, Bristol, Cockermouth, and Grantham), and Mr. H.
B. Baring. As to the complexion of the last-named
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of the Conservative party.
Sir Roundell Palmer; who neither voted nor paired in
the last division, was again an absentee. Lord Ernest
Bruce and Sir Robert Peel, who on April 4 voted with
Mr. Gladstone in one division only, did not now go with their
party. Mr. Miller, the member for Leith, who then led Mr.
Trani into the wrong lobby in the second division, now voted
with Mr. Gladstone. Mr. Traill was not present. Mr.
Sandford, who last time abstained from voting in the first
division and in the second supported Ministers, did not
now vote. Lord Eustace Cecil, Sir William Heathcote,
Mr. Beresford Hope, Sir Rainald Knightley, and General
Peel went into the lobby with the Government. So also
did Sir Thomas Hesketh and the Hon. Captain Stanley,
the members for Preston, who lately wrote to their consti-
tuents to point out the impossibility of maintaining the
Irish Church as it at present exists.
Besides Sir Roundell Palmer, the following Liberals
were absent from both the struggles on this question :
Mr. Brocklehurst, an octogenarian; Mr. Brown, one of the
members for Earl Fitzwilliam's pocket borough of Malton ;
Sir G. Colthurst, who sits for the little town of Kinsale, in
the county of Cork; Mr. Fort, ill; the Messrs. Mackinnon,
who represent respectively Rye and Lyrnin,gton ; Colonel
Packe, chairman of the Great Northern Railway, and
member for South Lincoln ; Mr. Pim, M.P. for Dublin ;
Colonel Pryse, the representative of the Cardigan
boroughs ; and. Sir Thomas Winnington, the member for
Bewdley.
The Liberals who voted with Mr. Gladstone on April
4 and did not, ...Trpsar on Thursday night, were Mr. R.
M. Biddulph, Sir R. Bulkeley, Sir M. J. Cholmeley,
Mr. Ellice, Mr. Fitzwilliam, Mr. W. B. Hughes, Mr.
Knatchbull-Hugessew, Sir T. Lloyd, Mr. M'Evoy, Mr.
Marsh, Mr. P. W. Martin, Mr. Nicholson, The O'Conor
Don, and Mr. Parry. The forthcoming list of pairs will
no doubt account for many absentees. The non-attendance
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month ago and were not present now were the Right
Hon. Henry Baillie, Colonel Barttelot, the Earl of Bec-
tive, Mr. Bowen, Lord Curzon, Colonel Dickson, General
Dunne, Mr. Du Pre, Mr. G. J. King, Captain Lowther,
Mr. Pugh, Sir M. W. Ridley, Lord H. Thynne, and Col.
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division, represented by three members only out of the
two score and more which then overthrew Mr. Gladstone.
These were Lord Elcho,Mr. Saunderson, and Mr. Wyld. The
Tea-room of last year had not a single representative,
Mr. Briscoe, the solitary member of that party voting
in April, being now absent. Of the great families repre-
' sented in the House of Commons, the houses of Caven-
dish, Grosvenor, and Russell voted in a body with the
Liberals, while the Fitzwilliam interest was, as usual,
represented by one out of three. On the other side,
four members of the house of Egerton, two of the house
of Stanley, two out of three of the house of Lowther, the
brother and the two sons of the Marquis of Abercorn, two
Lowry Coles, two Ormsby Gores, two members of the
Lopes family, two brothers of the Duke of Richmond, two
brothers of the Duke of Rutland, two kinsmen of Lord
Tredegar, two relatives of the Duke of Beaufort, two
Sturts, two of the Surtees family, two Verners, two
Wyndhams, and three Wynns, are found swelling the
ranks of the Government supporters.
The division was taken in a House of 601 members—
precisely the same number as on the 4th of April. As the
House was in committee at the time, Mr. Dodson, the
chairman, did not vote, nor did the Speaker. The seat at
Stamford was the only one practically vacant. In East
Kent the return had not been made, and Mr. Ramsay,
the newly-elected member for the Stirling Burghs, had
not taken his seat.

THE "PALL MALL GAZETTE" AND 7HE
CHURCH ESIABLISHMEN7.

The Pall Mall Gazelle has very peculiar
notions as to what constitutes the essential
character of a Church ; at the same time it is
very candid and unconcerned in its avowal
of opinions, and, far from flinching from con-
clusions is desirous of pushing principles to
their extreme consequences; for, as it justly
observes, until men have clear ideas on what
is meant by the word Church, they will not
know how rightly. to proceed when they have
to do so, as now in Ireland, with the aboli-
tion of Church Establishments. The Pall Mall
Gazette looks upon the Church as a department
of the State, charged with the business of at-
tending to the moral wants of the nation, and
of affording to such as require it, spiritual satis-
faction. The law makes provision for the cele-
bration of the religious services specified in
the Book of Common Prayer, confeis rank,
endowment, and authority on the episcopate
and clergy, and requires from them in return
certain spiritual services for the benefit of all
those who deserve to partake in them. The
law puts the clergy in possession of churches
in every parish, and compels them to- per-
form certain services sanctioned by law. But
the Church of England, argues the Pall Mall
Gazette, is merely a name for the aggregate
of all those rights and duties ; but this aggre-
gate, it continues, is also part of the law of
England. Accordingly it concludes rightly
enough from its premises—" the Church of
England would be destroyed if the laws by
which it is constituted were repealed." "It is
no doubt true," it adds, " that the bishops and
clergy individually would retain, after such an
event, any personal powers which they may
now possess. If they can now give absolu-
tion from sin, they could still do so."
But the practical conclusion which the Pall

Hall Gazette arrives at is that the laws by

virtue of which a Church is established are a
its essence ; repeal these laws, and the Church,
it argues, is not merely disestablished, but loses
its identity. Men, by looking intently at the
English Establishment, and regarding its his-
tory as the history of the purest type of the
Christian Church, cannot conceive even the
idea of a Church apart from its accidents. But
we, who have not learnt our idea of a Church
from the English Establishment, view the re-
lation between Church and State in quite
another light. The laws, which encompass
the Church, give dignity to its position and
legal force to its enactments, are, we know, of
human institution, and accidental in their cha-
racter. To-day the Church enjoys the recog-
nition and support of the civil power ; to-
morrow, not. The law, conferring dignity upon
it, is in force in one country, not in another.
These Ire accidents, but the essential character
of the Church is to be sought in its divine

institution by Christ, in its supernatural attri-
butes, and in its divine organization. This
divinely-instituted and organized body has
certain definite rights which are superior to
human laws. It was commissioned by its Divine
Founder to go into every nation and teach
s o- sovereigns .0 nh s e and
handssubjects.efthe Church
reh p
l pledged
d receiving bap-
tismthem-
selves to obey in every matter affecting the
spiritual and moral government of their sub-
jects the spiritual authority. The State, the
King at the head of his baptised subjects, re-
ceived the Church, a divinely instituted and
organized body, with its spiritual hierarchy,
into a friendly compact, offered it endowments,
conferred upon it honours, gave a legal force
to its enactments, placed, in a word, the civil
sword at the service of the Church. But these
gifts and sanctions and legal powers were
simply accidents added on to the body of the
Church ; they could not constitute the essence
of a body which existed without them, which
possessed an organic life before they were
offered, and is, consequently, capable of sur-
viving after their withdrawal.
Hence it follows that the disestablishment

of the Church in any country does not destroy
its essential character, but only its accidental
surroundings. Its identity is unimpared, its
divine organization remains, its spiritual
authority is not lessened, the power of the
keys given by Christ is not taken away by the
act of disestablishing. Excommunication,
whether the Church be established or not in a
land, cuts off the obstinate sinner from the
heritage of the Church ; the Papal Bull or
Brief confers jurisdiction or creates hierarchies,
equally valid alike in countries where the
Church is established or not established. The
Church, wrongfully disestablished and de-
spoiled of its national rights, of property con-
secrated to its use, is not by such an act dis-
solved or deprived of its identity, since only
its accidental, and not its essential, character
is touched, but survives with all its claims
unimpaired. It is the rightful owner of per-
verted endowments, of confiscated estates, of
its ancient churches. The State has no right
to lay a finger on money consecrated to religi-
ous uses. It is God's property. Applying
these principles for a moment to the Irish
Establishment, it would follow that the
national endowments of which the Catholic
Church was despoiled, and the rights of a
national Church which are its due, must, on
the principle of justice, be restored fully and
completely. The Catholic Church, however,
declines to be established or endowed ; the
State, nevertheless, has no right to convert
ecclesiastical endowments to secular purposes.
The question then arises, what is to be done
with the money ? But this question has not
as yet been satisfactorily answered by Mr.
Gladstone. Its real difficulty, even, does not
occur to that large party, to return to our
subject, whose views are so boldly expressed
by the Pall Mall Gazette. For if the Church,
as it argues,
is but a moral function of the
State, it can have no rights apart from the
State ; but if, on the other hand, accord-
ing to Catholic teaching, the Church is a
corporate body, independent of the State,
divine in its institution, and possessing a
moral entity, it can enjoy rights, and assert
claims, which can only be fairly dealt with
according to law and justice. The question
which the Pall Mall Gazette is raising is one
of vital importance, not only in regard to the
present controversy on the Irish Establish-
ment, but in that far more momentous ques-
tioner which,th ehorizon, whether the essential idea like a dark cloud, is impending
ovof a Christian Church is to be preserved in
Protestant England, or to perish before the
progress of unspiritual intellectualism.—Wedt-
minster Gazette.

MISCELLANEOUS NEWS.

(From the Anglo-American Times.)

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The Virginia Convention, which had agread to
tion Prsoaidllnbg that an amend-
Legislature referred by one
adjourn, rescinded the resolution on the 14th inst.
mAennatrttoiclteh adoptedeweasousti
Legislature to the succeeding one and then to the
people. A report was adopted re-districting the
makingaodn and, in
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sions. The South Carolina election
began on
the 14th of April, and continued for three days,
when it was believed that the Constitution had been
adopted. The Georgia elections were to take place .
on the following week, and General Meade has
issued judicious instructions as to the manner in
which they are to be conducted. The Arkansas
Legislature ratified the new Constitution by a ma-
jority, officially reported, of 1,679. The returns
in South Carolina and Louisiana indicate Repub-
lican successes, while the latest news by the Russia
announces as probable the success of the Democrats
in Georgia. A Democratic mayor has been elected
at New Orleans ; but the new Constitution will
probably be adopted in Louisiana.
Information has been received at the Bureau of
Indian Affairs that the Peace Commission is at Lar-
amie. Two hundred lodges of hostile Sioux are
there encamped, as well as large numbers of Ogal-
lala and Brule Sioux. Sixteen lodges of Minnecon-
jours, Unkapappas, and other bands are on their way
and are expected at Laramie soon. General Sheri-
dan, returning to Omaha from the Black Hills, re-
ports that the Indians in the Powder River country '
refuse to treat with the commissioners till every
white man leaves the disputed territory ; and a letter
from Fort Berthold reports that the. Indians are
suffering from want of fool, which is one of the
reasons why they are so savage this spring. In
Idaho there have been some Indian raids, also
some fights among the miners, at Silver City, which
have called out a proclamation from Governor Bal-
lard, threatening the use of the military.
The Rev. Stephen H. Tyng, junior, will again be
arraigned, and the penalty on conviction will be
degradation in case he refuses to yield submissively
to the reprimand lately give°, and keep the peace
hereafter. To the information, he replied that he
is not a party to any plan to defy the Church
authorities ; that he has no intention to disregard
the canons of the Church ; but he will continue to
preach in his pulpit until ejected from it by the
police. The Pall Mall quotes this case as showing
that " sectional prejudices are not unknown across
the Atlantic, while the disposition of a large section
of the Anglican body to cultivate terms of closer
intimacy with the Nonconformists has lately made
itself visible in a variety of ways."
As the time nears when the decisive vote on the
Impeachment charges, Guilty or Not Guilty, is to
be given, rumours thicken. Senator Fowler is said
to visit the President frequently after dark ; Sma..
tor Fesseuden to have remarked, that he looked for
great unpopularity from the vote his conscience
compelled him to give upon Impeachment ; Senator
Grimes to have frequently announced his conviction
of the President's innocence. The opinions of the
less pronounced Republican Senators are freely dia.;
cussed and their acts canvasse'l, words and deeds
being attributed to them which are pure inventions.
So disheartened is Thad. Stevens said to be by, the

Democrats, that he announced to his colleagues,
"We have not any show in the Senate. I for one

am willing to withdraw the Articles of Impeach-
ment and report to the [louse ;" and it is added
that one of the Republican Representatives from
New York was about to move that the Articles of

Impeachment be withdrawn. At the same time
these very people publish statements that the Hon.

Ben. Wade has promised placas on his becoming
President, trying both tacks to damage the Im-
peachers.
Mr. Elijah M. K. Glenn, having failed to establish
his outspoken accusation of bribery against a fel-
low member of the New York Legislature, has been
forced to resign his seat, although he maintains the

truth of his allegation, which is universally be-
lieved. lie was elected by a rural district, where

the vice is comparatively unknown. On arriving at
the capital of the State, he found himself an object
of consideration, being feted, courted, and given an
unlimited amount of drinks, as he was being drawn

by those who had a design on his integrity into the
inner ring. The tool, as they thought him, proved
impracticable, and on his openly coining forward as

an accuser, he found how the honest fared at
Albany, which was in strong contrast with the

kindly treatment he had at first experienced. lie
was badgered, hustled about, cut by some, and
abused by others, till his health, before weak,
forced him to seek the pure air of Wayne, where he

was not, however, long suffered to remain in peace.
Called back to testify before the Committee, the

attacks of his persecutors were renewed, until, sink-
ing under them, he resigned his seat and retired to
Wayne, where it is to be hoped he will have time
and repose to reflect on the fate of reformers.
Sergeant Bates, of Wisconsin, has succeeded in
carrying the United States flag from Vicksburg to
Washington, where he was welcomed by the Presi-
dent. There he endeavoured to plant it on the
dome of the Capitol, but a policeman interfered,
and the triumphant Bales was foiled in the finish-
ing stroke at his journey's end. He was arrayed
when he reached W ashington in the guerilla uni-
form of Moseby, with a rebel drinking cup at his
belt, and accompanied by a Confederate officer,
Colonel 'Vaughan. On his road opposition was

carefully smoothed away, the object being to show
that through the heart of the lately Confederated
States the Flag of the Union can be safely carried.

Bates had served in the United Stases army, but he
had made no reputation, nor attained to any com-
missioned rank. His reception at Washington was
given by the Democrats, and the whole affair was

a mere party display.
A " rise" has been taken out of the New York
Herald by some practical jokers, who announced in
some of the morning papers that the tickets of the
Gettysburgh Asylum Lottery would be redeemed
on the 15th April at the Herald's office for the full
amount. A hungry crowd of dupes rushed to the

doors, and Mr. Bennett had to face numerous ap
plicants, who beset not only his office but his pri-
vate residence at Washington heights. The point
of the joke was that the Herald had written up the
lottery and induced numbers to invest in the
tickets.
The same privilege is accorded to a member of
Congress in the United States as to an M.P. in
the United Kingdom. Members are not liable to
arrest for debt, and whatever may be said of the
social standing of those returned from the wilder
and less civilized States, it seldom occurs that any one
avails himself of the privilege. There is, however,
some talk of a Senator now doing so. Mr. Sprague, of
Rhode Island, ha 3 been sued in a Washington Court
by his late gardener, and it is said that he will
take advantage of his rights as a Congressman. We
presume that the claim is grounded on an imposi-
tion, which the Senator can thus best defeat.
Mr. Seward, it is said, has determined not to
hold office under the Wade Administration which
he expects shortly to be inaugurated, and he has
prepared to leave Washington in May. Efforts are
being made to induce the old statesman to change
his mind, and the New York Sun writes strongly on
the subject. It is a question of deep interest to the
office-holders under him. Secretary Stanton has
dispelled all doubts about his course by the follow-
ing letter :
" War Department, "Washington, April 14, 1868.
" llon. Simon Caanerou—Doar Sir—Perceiving iu this
morning's Chronicle that a communication has been signed
by the Governor of your State, the It Ipublie,an members
persons, asking your reeom-
of the Legislature, and other
meudation for my transfer, upon a contain contingency, to
the head of the Treasury Department, I hasten to request
earnestly that no such recommendation b 3 made. Enough
of my life has been devoted to public duties. No con-
sideration can induce me to assume those of the Treasury
Department or continue in the War Department longer
than may be required for the appointment and confirma-
tion of my successor.—Yours truly,
" EDWIN M. STANTON."
This reply was drawn from Stanton by Governor
Geary, and other prominent Pennsylvanians, who
asked Senator Cameron to urge on Benjamin
Wade, when he became President, the claims of
Mr. Stanton for the post, from which it was taken
for granted Mr. M'Culloch would be at once
removed.
The Revolution, in commenting on some remarks
of the :angle-Anzerican Times, states that the lady
editors intend to do more than take notes in Wash-
ington. " The next thing" that we will hear " will
be the speech of the honouralsle lady from New
York on the floor of Congress ; and it is more than
probable that Miss Anthony, the owner of the Re-
volution, will have a place in Benjamin F. Wade's
Cabinet." We have no objection, and only hope
the honourable lady from New York will acquit
herself well when there, and that Miss Anthony
will use the power placed in her hands as a Cabinet
Minister to purify and elevate the Executive. It
adds that the Revolution is destined to be the great
paper of the age, for it is the only one in the coun-
try that takes the ground of universal suffrage in
the Reconstruction.
Frank Leslie illustrates a very general feeling in
the United States, and one we attempted to express in
words in our last issue. In that picture paper of April
25, Uncle Sam is sketched is the agony of tooth-
ache, with his face on one side swollen as indicative
of his suffering. Beside him stand "Dr." Grant
and ,6 Dr." Seward. Grant's advice is—" Out with
it at once—he will have no peace with it in ;" but
Seward placidly says, " I am in favour of letting it
stop till it drops out quietly." This is what Frank
Leslie calls " Uncle Sam's bad tooth—the Andy
Johnson grinder." Most Americans, outside strong
political party influence, differ exactly as Seward
and Grant are representing as differing. All agree
that the " Andy Johnson grinder" is a bad tooth,
and that Uncle Sam has suffered and is suffering
from it; but the wisdom is questioned of dragging
it out by the roots, and if the dentists who have
undertaken to do this fail, they will but aggravate
the sufferings of Uncle Sam. • We are happy also
to see that this widely circulated and popular jour-
nal takes substantially the same view as that ex-
pressed by us on the action of the people of Michi-
gan in rejecting the Negro Suffrage amendment to
the State Constitution.
The 7inzes, in an article on Wednesday, con-
founds Lorenzo Thomas with George.H. Thomas. It
[Teaks of ad interim, the nick-name of the former,
as "a person of distinction—a lieutenant-general, in
high command." Lorenzo Thomas is not a lieu-
teuant-gencral, he has never been in high command,
nor has he attained to any distinction except in the
columns of the Times, the writer evidently mistaking
him for his great namesake the conqueror of Hood.
Lorenzo Thomas graduated at West Point in 1823,
and fifteen years afterwards attained the mar of
Brevet-Major, with the appointment of Assistant
Adjutant-General. lii 1846 he was promoted by
brevet to Lieutenant-Colonel for service at the
battle of Monterey, and that was the grade he held
at the commencement of the great war, when he
was appointed Adjutant - General, of the Army.
From this post he was removed two years ago
through Mr. Stanton, who was personally his enemy,
and it was but on the 14th February that by
order of the President he took back his post
from General Townsend, who then held it. We
are the more particular to point out this error,
as the Times lays great stress on the ridiculous
scene in the War Office, in which Lorenzo Thomas
was the chief actor, coupling it with remarks which
those who are not acquainted with the history of
the leading Northern generals would read to the