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.ceit While no one at'empted to break the pledge cf a free joyed for centuries—they, like us, being anxious to adapt
ew Phis no
Both parties hesitated for some lustanis too their constitution to the times in which trey lived, and
selves e any decided step, at last the disarmed set them- to make it of practical utility—being anxious to advance
e in tnotioe- Slowly the procession advanced until safely and gradually, and being reformers and not revo-
me circumstance, which has never been precis( ly as lutionists, could not be content with such a constitution
eertsined, was considered by the Wallachs a signal to as that; but, above all, they could. not aecept a con-
attack.
:.. y
stitution which had not been agreei to by
dis ?Tow followed a horrifying scene. One part of the all the different orders of the state, but was
mod were cudgelled to death, others pierced through only granted as a f &your by the Sovereign, and, being so
pointed mouetain-sticks. Some hanged on trees granted, might the next day be withdrawn.—(Hear,
anteere
mangled with hay-forks; others thrown into pits teas.) When the Diet sew their legitimate Seve-
tio erne
.under blocks rolld down upon their.
next Wo- reign deposed, the succession of his heir set aside, and
le,taduruca maidens emnasn svneerr.e mutilated and murdered in the the t heir, instead of coming to Presburg to take the
oath, as his predecessors had done, pouring foreign
4 The slaughter lasted long. Rainbold, a German, the troops into the country, and every compact between
gressopector of Zalatuya, to whom clung his wife and two the house cf Hapsburg and Hungary broken,
J/eh up daughters, not teeing any possibility of avert- they adopted the precedent set them by the
87rtheir dreadful fate, drew out his double pistol, which, Commons and Lords of England; and they
I°_ 0 distruwul than his companions, be had retained, de:dared the throne vacant, and the further
se,yst, down first his tvo daughtlrs, loaded again, shot his line of Hapsburg to bo for ever extinct. No ltepu,blic
and, lastly, killed himself. The haste he x- was proclaimed, as again and again has been said. fee
ee;reeent, in which he achieved this awfsl defied, ren- tendency of the Hungarian people has always !seen
his hand uncertain, his mutilated wif • survived monarchical; their Acts run in the name of the King
son-jrible catastrophe, e'nj related . Of 1,200 per- until the 4th of March. " Governor-President," the title
teeir""°ut 110 remained wounded amongst the bod•ess of given to Kosqath, is one well-known to the constitutional
reo„, corades. Of these survivors, about 70 or 80, history of Hungary; but Hungary would
have been
..of them women, on the wife of the jtplge willing to receive any prince as their king, who in his
tor zar, bleeding fame countless wounds, dragged them- turn would have been ready to give them gust;
oilesi before the gates of the fott-ess of Gyula Jet 4-sar rantees that he would adhere to the letter. and
waterabargh). But the commander of this place, which spirit of their law ; and, without foreign inter-
het3-2cuPied by the Austrian troops, drove the ex- vention, there is no doubt, that Hungary. in her
havirtegd with blows from the gates, where, after righteous purpose would have succeeded. In tact th.ey
to h*-- been refused entrance hey had sunk powerless had all been successful; there were scarcely any Aus.trian
t e ground. troops le f„ in Hungary, they had been succes,ively
sad" These horrors never were punished by tl'e Austrians, beaten, until they could only hold one part of
w trren, hen, some months later, Puchner was driven from the kingdom—a narrow strip of land—and then
rien l'ania by General Bem, and Csanyi, as 'lunge- Prince Schwartz !nberg adopted the suicidal po-
em neenateissury, sentenced several of the instieators licy of calling in the Russians. Hungary still,
haee'seerPtrators of the above-mentioned hloodshecrto be however, opposed him, but not all the valour and courage
the"—, the correspondents of the Austrian party filled of their Dative generals could prolong the contest with
eh Pellets of foreign countries with declamations on any chance of success. Not the flower of the Hunga-
Thant9,ltan terrorism." rian generals, aided by the intrepid and daring Bem, or
depet„Lelleve, is a true picture of these horrors. A the experience of his count-yman Deaibinsky, or the
jeer ""e'n was sent from the Diet to Vienna on the sub- ardent courage of our. own countryman, General
e
hi ' " they were formally received by the King and Guyon, could preval against the Russian
Of nbrother. And now the National Assembly hordes, aided by the broken forces of Austria,
fete:Pry, elected by the new and enlarged and still less against the treachery of Georgey—they
i het, wa3 opened at Presburg on the 2d of July, could not prevail against the overpowering influence of
n, ,`"e Archduke Stephan pronounced a speech in the the intervention cf Russia, which s most pernicious,gin .
name from the throne, and in that speech the and will be found to militate against the interests of
the 6 expressed his unalterable determination t i maintain Europe at large. The movement and cause of Hungary
liPit,itit.in.daeirPdendsoe:ee of Hungary, and uphold all the laws, had t diets deep root in the minds of every civilized
afteswell'arlY stigmatising the acts of Jellachich. Soon country • its example would have been followed on all
necessary laws were sent tip f the sides, and free trade established all over the world
seetll_assent, but no answer was given, and the Diet would have been the end of the . struggle.
ettemel.4putation, heaths Iby the President and a large This will be seen if one of the papers which I have
tsPly, °I. the House of Commons, to obtain some moved for shall be laid upon the table of the House.
Set eskn evasive one only was give', and whilst the Besides this, Hungary would always have been an effi-
witheaet°4 Was in Vienna with the Minister, the King, cient barrier on the side of Russia; but now should there
Angus, acquainting them, sent a letter, dated 31st of ever arise any dispute between Austrian and Russia,
,""e law' and addressed to the Viceroy, declaring that there is not the least doubt but that Hungary would take
bee ~ of 1848, by which a responsible Minister had up arms on the side of Russia, so great is the hatred and
,eteirfat.hted to Hungary by the administration of the horror which Austria by her infamous conduct has ex-
am be on that country, of its finance and its commerce, cited in the breasts of the Hungarians, so great as to
Pinaeden detached from Austria, had been made and cause that nation to throw itself into the arms of its
they t.,eontrary to the Pragmatic Sanction, and once-hated enemy. Sir, Ido not hesitate to say that
•"ere declared null, usele is, and of no effect, this interference on the part of Russia in the affairs of
to a It
, age, was announced that the King was determined Hungary was a flagrant violation of the law of nations; it
to th'evntte the laws and subject every one in Hungary was an interference in the affairs of an independent na-
scluarreratral power of Vienna. Here was the cause of tior, with which Russia hal nothing whatever to
'Meth•
Austria was determined that all the laws do. The pret •xt put forward by the Emperor
efrect;"Puon the constitution should not be carried into for this intrusion had not the slighest foundation.
acted ungary was determined to have those laws In the whole Hungarian army there were not above
Which uP°l'. It was exactly the same sort of quarrel 4,000 Poles, and of these not 40') came from Russian Po-
ities ivo had had in this country, and which led to civil land. The Emperor had not the slightest shadow of a
rule b both countries the King was determined to right to interf -re, even admitting the right of the ruler
were Ylterogative, and in both countries the people of a country to call in foreign aid to quell what he may
ramie uetermined to be governed only by the consider a rebellion—a right, Sir, which lam very fsr
Rua ment, It couli:not be said that the Emperor from admitting. Even admitting this right the Emperor
Of hiscoerced by the Hungarians, for he came of Austria bad no right to call in Russian aid too interfere
Lattest °„swn free will to Presburg, and granted his between him and Hungary, f he was neither the de
was xhat was on the first occasion • on the second, jure nor the de facto King of Hungary, for the reasons
Iherisednt°,t in Hungary, he was at Vienna, when be au_ which I have already detailed. I have also some papers
Laads e, speech to be made from the throne to be to move for regarding the Danubian provinces of Wal-
"eitt "la Viceroy. As to the pretence of the laws Ischia and Moldavia. Some two years, on one pretence
*a, o.eeetrary to the Pragmatic Sanction, there never or another, Russia had interfered in the affairs of those
tinly ;4e so void of foundation. The Pragmatic Sanction provinces. The people of that country had effected some
°lssOttlated the order of succession. It was an act reforms, and, as usual, Russia was desirous of putting
ee et'ttlent and nothing more, and the order of succes- down anything which partook of the net ire of reform.
albsterferetahe tinie that protection was taken, had not been Unhappily she suceeeded, the country returned
;Ft
,t; 71th. It was not interfered with until long to its former state, and the Turkish Govern-
er h. 'is an Emperor had abdicated, not until ment was prevailed upon to sign some sort of
th Is brother had renounced his claim to a treaty called the Convention of Balta Limau,
eetklsioerchne, not until after the next in sue- by which it was stipulate i that neither Russia nor Tur-
ab t„,,e4 put forward claims with an inten- key should have more than 10,000 men in those princi-
;: the s",ing it up, not until after the constitution paliCes. But even then Russia did not abide by her own
afßhts
tj.tn of March, which swept away all the convention of the Ist of May. The troops were not yet
:tee all
sinstitutions of Hungary; it was not until withdrawn. One of the papers which I shall move for
Ij4'. B tthese things that the throne was declared va- on this occasion is a circular letter addressed by Count
et;teet;letc!uppo.sing these laws were opposed to the Nesselrode to the European Ambassadors on tho subject
nes oanction, what force had It in Hungary unless of this occupation, an extract from which I am
it es out by the Diet? None at all. It was neces- enabled to read because the Noble Loyd had vial
mild Could have the sanction of the Diet before it it in the course of last session. This circular
ehieb ode aye
a°Y validity. The three estates of the realm states that " from the moment that in Moldavia and
mitred it had a right either to abrogate it
d ether Wallachia law shall have established, and guaranteed
he aw ' or to introduce other laws partially to the troops shall be withdrawn from them to go and ocou-
TZ the,al Whit it, or to pass laws which, py immediately the
,strictly defensive position which
Nit; Pre-t,eereys did pass, had no effect upon it. they occupied before. ' Now, Sir, I ask the Noble Lord
etits3, that the reform carried by the Diet was whether he thinks that a sufficient guarantee for the
nit% the Praematie Sanction', was just as if King peace of these provinces has been given? Has the Porte a
Aethe it "LSI, Fourth°, after having given the royal assent sufficient guarantee? The Noble Lord knows how anxious
pro I,`"rtn Bill, should have tried to set aside that the Sublime Porte is to have the Convention of
te,istue the plea that it was contrary to the law Balta Liman carried out, and yet after this declaration
Ved eTeht.—(Hear, hear.) Jellachich, formally de- f Count Nessolrode, will it be believed that Russia still
ter°, the Power,, was, nevertheless, allowed to hold it. retains no less than 46,000 men in those provinces? The
sh th 141Ingarian Ministry resigned. The Diet dc- Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Department, in
ote at two Scat he e laws which had be'n in vain presented answer t an observation which fell from the Hun..
Itettieh put in force provisionally, and meanwhile Member for Youghal (Mr. Anstey), stated his °envie-
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regularossed the Danube at three different points, tine that these Russian troops would speedily be with-
tersestCreat troops, aided by Austrian drawn. He will excuse me for stating that lam not al-
lied regui The Hungarians, in the absence of together satisfied with that assurance on his part. I
Med Ministr and in consequent con. beliere my Noble Friend stated in the course of de-
•11(1 Were 3,
tilt the unable to oppose any considerable force; tate that. it was perfectly opens for. any
.Member. to. say..
the
heen...nsi quence was, that the Croats advanced that he did not entirely partake in any opinion which
of racy ;ft of the country, pillaging and plundering might be delivered on such points, and I now state that
,4ar,,,„ent• The Diet then offered the command Ido not partake in that opinion of my Noble, Friend;..
h4l'erc:"-si. to the Archduke in his capacity of Captain- and I will tell the House why Ido not. •The Noble
hetv,flag ea_ accepted it, and joined the army, but after Lord will recollect that when these troops first entered
rtth eee t, eavoured in vain to effect arrangements Moldavia, I called his attention to the fact, and ho ,
hi,"Priecl isi° opposing forces, he left the camp and treated the matter very lightly, and said they had ens
ot-Psign"„„rnugh Pesie to Vienna, where he tendered tered without the consent of the Russian Gvernment.
iloanitete;'°n, which was not accepted. On the 25th In 1848 I called his attention to the fact again, and theid
Veres r a royal ordinance, which had not been Noble Lord said they had entered Moldavia,. and well.
eet - seed
tem ieerbk , placed all the Hungarian troops under not enter Wallachia. But I will remind my
.Noble
leet;° —"rg; b t the Diet declared the appointment Friend that they have entered Wallachia. Again, my
* be °nut ilk 11
rg ga , and required the counter signature. Noble. Friend,. on. the matter being forced upon his at-
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,;ITel the decree, and was proceeding to• tention, again said that they would soon be withdrawn.d
%ell tbetel'tariel to take the command, when he was But a year and three-quarters have elapsed, they.
tee tidge of boats by a crowd, dragged from the are nut yet withdrawn. My Noble Friend says, It is
too': handle cad
he was seated, and murdered. A a question of time." Now, I will ask my Noble Friend,
ilata cilleeee "ad been made against the Hungarians in supposing that ho had a troop of soldiers quartered
itstiteta of
tl_Of this event, and most deplorable it was. upon him, and had their horses to keep, and that on re-
ishi Ts nature perpetrated by mobs were not the monstrating with the commanding officer, he were coolly
es, eu a country could be fairly judged, and they told, " Oh, my good fellow, don't put yourself about, it's
th tth Stlin t
e 'ttt. 0 any nation, unless indeed it appeared all a question of time." How would the Noble Lord
14bisetitee had manifested an utter indifference to like that if he had all the weekly bills to . pay ? And
' hoe. (Cries of "Hear, hear.") The Hungarian this is just the cam with Wallachia and Moldavia.
1144'4 stew"' had passed a resolution expressive of The Russian Government does not support its
4fteetires to shat had occurred, and they directed own troops, but the unfortunate inhabitants are
tfeo that
cise taken to bring the criminals to justice. saddled with the enormous expense because the
!ahlokineataeunistance had occurred, there was a series Emperor of Russia chooses to act contrary to his
Ns' jell tending from January to October, during treaties, and to erahle him to carry on his designs
iistro%,,t astidecihich had the command of the Austrian against Hungary last year and against Turkey.
t's° 'yet bee Must say that his exactions and atrocities I think my Noble Friend, if he were in such a position
tsel itee-'en surpassed, and only equalled by the in- as I have supposed, would soon be very heartily tired of
Its,Vsberrirsitions and unequalled cruelties of Itadetzky the intruders, and would do all be could to get rid of
Tag
some The executive power of the committee them. And so would Turkey now if she could. This
thetied ti in abeyance, but was immediately re- tyranny ought not to be allowed. If my Noble
"bstra,rllachich retreated. It was then that the Frionl had protested at first against the en-
:ktoetetiet " against Count Latour was made, and trance of those troops which it was pretended
j~'St Yet all was an order to put him to death. had entered unauthorised—a very fine way indeed for
ey&lee, 2ese scandalous reports were circulated Russia to feel her way—if, I say, he had protested then
lisete failed 'ltYany was implicated this act; but energetically, it is my firm belief that those troops never
l.herder ei to bring forward any proof whatever of would have been authorised at all, and that in all proba•
ihtt ahielh'enlated thew slanders in order to justify a bility the easastrophes which have deluged Hungary
Coe PerhaPs, was still more atrocious than with blood never would have occurred. Russia would
Ore
etnniy h7nt Louis Latour. The murder of Count have backed out of this as she has done on many such
nte Corder olin'self was more atrocious, because it was occasions, and that would not have happened which
tiett have t.,411 innocent man. The Government took now all liberal-minded men deeply deplore. I say, all
ett set their sentence upon Count Batthyany car- liberal-minded men, fur not only in England, but over
0, tit upon
14ti) .ILtour; the anniversary of the day on which all Europe, the greatest enthusiasm bits been incited in
Mot phiest Cu as murdered, thereby wishing to insin- favour of this brave nation. Nay, the contagion has
IsPerltibliely m Batthyany a crime which they dare spread across the Atlantic; there I have heard of honour
got have declare
against him. Now, the news- being done to the Hungarians by the first magistrate of
°I-et,:ot the stated that Count Batthyany was the country, and I believe there is at this present time
etutai. get murder of Count Latour, but the under discussion a proposition to suspend all intercourse
Allege se Vienna Lennie dares not to make such a charge, with Austria in consequence of her conduct to Hungary.
Olt
teem
0.. en... _
s 0 Count Batthyany there is not one I could not help, Sir, being sorry to hear my Noble
iG'Ltltitledhei, tett.t.tiae;cus,ation against him on that account. Friend talk of allowances being made; I do not like
7), th dell ,(.11 Count Latour, Vienna was sur- these allowances, which are always to be made for the
re re a acuieh. The Imperial forces of Hun- great and powerful. I hope my Noble Friend
tiZaselkikl thea,-v to advance, which they might have will take the opportunity to-eight of telling
~.atothey ought to have done; but they hesitated us what these allowances. are that . are to be
lit Trues At ler° Oct provided with an authority from made, that he will explain to us the circumstances
ttee viat'Ylventast, however, they did advance and fought which call for those allowances being made. Ido not
ti sties°ll toil the only attle that was fought during think that there is any subject of more importance
the° te-g.,eg 40t Hungarian. I will not go through which can be pressed upon the attention of my Noble
It. do -vents of the late war; there is not Friend. lam well aware that when first I brought it
ot, so
bAs Llter,eo en if I had a desire to weary forward, it did not rivet the attention of the country,
16%;,41.:1tn any such details.—(Hear, hear.) but now I think the case is different—the country is
ee".B,es_q l'ens, who took the command, in De- aroused to the importance of the question,. and it is
haiNec,'"U, by arra, Y that originally did not number more fully determined to maintain the integrity of the Otto-
Via 11410 f ratulie middle of March had cleared the man Empire. Every Government which we have seen,
Otto-
Vi
(tele Fuss. a) lvanta of the Austrians and had the Government of the 'Nike of Wellington and of the
het ateo‘tehlei Thlean4. who
.had invaded the territory from Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, as well as
eeth. ungarians who had not abandoned that of my Noble Friend below, and even that Protec-
freeettesnidisehd On the banks of the Theiss, having tionist Government, whose advent we have been
Pameer:lneeed_grittil, Weldeu, and all the other Aus- taught to expect, will, I presume, follow this
4144'1 the eel's, and had driven them to the very course, for I have heard the Honourable
teklhtie eeeptemntry, In the mean time the Austrian Gentleman, the Member for Buckinghamshire
sititti,_l:tehzt :I..e.eTrhtaei.n measures, which had the effect with very great pleasure, advocate this policy in strong
11‘41ileb° the rY
zuah in
Hungary who had not already and I must say invery eloquent terms, as that necessary_
Emperor Ferdinand had some for the honour of his own country and for the peace of
blse, ?svn t, siolating an oath. Although it Europe. In arguing this question I would not be sup-
-lethl,ept
.._etttt his mind was weak, in fact, that he posed to be an advocate for war, I believe that war in
-etios It to il:nclQr Mental imbecility, still he had sense this case is entirely unnecessary. A great deal also has
Ism4t ler n°l" that
h. upies he had taken an oath, and he been said about "Russiaphobia," and I have been con-
Mott 1° about acting in the matter, but, fal- sidered to be afflicted with that malady. Now, I will
° abed iitt •
or cations, he was induced, or rather tell the House how far lam a Russiaphobist. think
Nees etuosephlu his throne, and his brother's son, the whenever this country speaks out in an unmistakeable
eke Fra •
ti Its' west,ift. on the 18th, ascended the voice to Russia, and tells her that she will not have a
eofst orl, „ lathe 4th of March a new consti- certain course pursued, that the voice of this country
liihhatt4ktli Pet
v4ie•;Queunt Kras and Dr. Bach, now M. i- will be obeyed without having occasion to make it heard
hi-sat, fished na, was published. The constitu- in the roaring of cannon. I know it is a perfect farce
~ge the yell thand by it all the laws, customs, and for
stamen to talk of resisting this nation. At
tettoiNtleelelltAosUstriatr_nations, were sought to be placed the time I•am so far a Russiaphobist
„het, or ,„,,e tuef tuontrol, without regard to their be- that I
cf lot,
th, or esshould dread allowing this weakness
e, "whether they were dear to the of Russia to turn into an overpowering might.
tltegt,,ereell hadanything to recommend them lam not disposed to allow Russia to become possessed
tel°,ll4lers, which Pt away by this new constitution of the most fertile portion of the globe, nor the most im-
yes -,th, ,111 of ICU Was e.intended to throw allpower portstit stations, because if that be done she will be no
"w• It was more sweeping, more longer weak, she will no longer be able to submit to such
s7Oeit% shed _re truly revolutionary, es or than anything measures as this country may think necessary, but, on the
N,,ltall 00' zrences?asemplated even by the con- contrary, she will f are made a great stretch towards uni-
tt7o ~,,tleehtlateee wite'taelf- The Hungarians might versal dominion. She will thte aten our Indian empire; she
ettlee,, that constitution had they not will cripple our commerce, and do us an irreparable injury,
Seehtliet,4ttis Inhcl be"cieutO their own ancient mode of and then force us into a sanguinary. war, of which there is
eittt:et wtshe4d beetawfUoYed for centuries. If the now no danger, nor for whin is there any occasion. Russia
liemeeftnith4A.tso represent
tfhraenint:othreeyvolutionists their will never abandon her design of traditional aggrandise-
s eontitution vvhicrah'ight have been ment; but this is to be noted iu her, that though she
14101,11,"On but they like us, being be patient, and though she may aggrandise, not by con-
they had en- quest, but by insidious weans, yet whenever the

of putting down liberty arises, then her self-possession, I , porfaa and providing for so large a body must have
say, seems to abandon her, and then she seems no longer ; imposed upon them sacrifices and privations c f a very
to act by slow and crooked means, but comes forward painful and extensive chaeacter. With regard to that
promptly and impetuously in order to destroy all really more important transaction connected with the demand
sound and wholesome reforms wherever she fieds for the refugees, that which took plea() between
them. In 1791, what occasioned the last partition in the Governments of England and France on the
Poland? The introduction of a reform so well con- one hand, and the Governments of Russia
sidered and so promising in all its provisions as to call and Austria and the Government of Turkey on
forth the eulogies of all writers and speakers who have the other, is generally so well known that little
lived ever since. In 1829, why did she interfere with remains far me to state which is not already within the
Turkey? Because she saw Turkey engaged in intro- cognizance of the public at large. I shall be perfectly
ducing salutary and staple reforms into the state. In ready to give such papers as will show the course we
1848, we find she interfered in Moldavia for the same pursued on that occasion. It is well known that after
reason; and inlB49,only the other day,vvhen Hungary put the termination of the war in Hungary a very consider•
forth the most legitimate of all claims to carry forward able number of persona Hungarians, Poles, and some
that constitution which the people all enjoyed, Russia Italians, took refuge in the Turkish provinces. A de-
saw in prospect a great constitutional country, and she mend was made by the Governmeats of Austria and
immediately lost no time in pouring in her hordes t f Russia cn Turkey for the surrender of such of those
armed barbarians to crush the cause. Sir, I rejoice that individuals as were Austrian or Russian subjects. That
the magnanimity of the Sovereign and the prompt de- demand was founded on the treaty of Kaimardji with
cision and energy of my Noble Friend at the head of regard to Russia, and upon the treaty of Belgrade in
Foreign Affairs have caused Russia to suffer a check regard to Austria. The Sultan, feeling that the oblige-
such as she has not experienced for a long time. tions of hospitality, which are considered avert more
The Czar must, indeed, at this moment bit- paramount, if possible, in the East than in any other
terly i epent that he ever acted in a way part of the world, precluded him from complying with
at once so revolting and stupid as to claim that demand, and looking at the terms of the treaty of
the extradition of the refugees from Hungary. Kaimardji, and seaming that he had clearly an alternative,
He was before triumphant, he had ei eeything his oen mad that the engagement contracted by that
Ray, his army carrie 1 all before it, by its numbers and treaty permitted him to choose that alternative,
by the bribes which were scatterel; and being so sue- he refused to comply with the demand made
cessful, he managed to stamp out liberty in Hungary, by Russia of surrendering those individuals, but
he established a hold on tae Danubian provinces; every- stated that he was ready to fulfil the other condition of
thing smiled upon him; but when he came to those the treaty, namely, that of expelling those individuals,
brave but unfortunate refugees in Hungary, in order to chiefly Poles, from his territory. With regard to the
satisfy his thirst for vengeance, to found a Noble demand of Austria, it certainly did net appear, by the
Sovereign on the throne ot Turkey, who magnanimously treaty of Belgrade, that there was any condition which
decided to act in opposition to his nefarious designs. required the Sultan to surrender Austrian subjects who
His ambassador showed an insolent tone and bearing, might have sought rouge within his territories; with
and had the audacity to appear in person by fore the regard to Austria's demand, therefore, he was still more
Sultan without uncovering his head.—(A laugh.) The at liberty to refuse compliance taan ho was with respect
language employed by him was most offensive, and to the demand made by Russia. The manner in which
though it has been said that the Russian ambassador those demands were made at Constantinople by the or-
did not exceed his instructions, I have reasons for be- gains of the Russian and Austrian Governments excited
lieving that such was not the case, but that he was ordered alarm in the Government of Turkey as to the conic-
to employ almost the very terms and language that quences which might follow from a refusal to comply
he did. The Emperor was determined to succeed, and with those demands, even though the Government of
did exert his utmost influence, but all that influence was Turkey felt that they were not by treaty compelled or
powerless, because the Sultan was supported by the liable to comply with them. In that state of things the
determination of the Government of this country. I say Turkish Government turned its eyes to those friendly
then, honour to the Sultan, I say honour to the Brit sh powers to whom it might look for support, and an ap
Minister who prevented so foul a deed disgracing this peal was made to the Government of England, and also
country. I know, Sir, many friends of Russia are die- to the Government of France, for their friendly
posed to eulogise what they call the moderation of the support in the critical circumstances in which
Czar in having desisted from his demands, but he has Turkey might find itself. Her Majesty's Government,
simply taken a leaf out of the book of the fox, and find- acting, as I think they did, in strict unison with the uni-
ing he could not obtain what ho wanted because the versal feeling of the country, as it was manifested on
British fleet was in the way, he altered his intentions. that occasion—(Hear, hear, and cheers)—determined to
That was the true reason why he made the best he could give the Sultan the support which he had asked.—
of his position, and said he would be content with some (Cheers.) Friendly representations were made to the
smaller concession. Though I have spoken in strong Government of Austria and the Government ot Russia,
terms of laudation of the determination not to give explaining the grounds upon which it appeared to her
up Kossuth and his brave followers to the Majesty's Government that the Sultan was not bound
fury of the Czar, I cannot ray that I am to comply with the demands which had been made. It
by any means satisfied with the result of the is but due, however, to the Russian Government to state
negotiation. lam not convinced that the fleet at the that the Sultan having sent a special ambassador to St.
Dardanelles has obtained all that ought to have been Petersburgh, for the purpose of requesting the Emperor
obtained—that all has been accomplished that might to desist from the demand which he had made, and to
have been accomplished. Although the Hungarians and accept the other alternative of the treaty—it is but due,
Poles were not given up Ido not think that the people I say, to Russia to state, that the day before our friendly
of this country will be satisfied with the fact that the representation reached St. Peterburgh, the Russian
Poles are still expelled from Turkey, and will most Government had made a communication to the
likely arrive here before long in a state of pitiable indi- Turkish ambassador, stating that Russia no
gence, and moreover that Kossuth and his brave comps- longer insisted on demanding a surrender of the
nions are to be kept in prison in Turkey for a consider- Poles, but consented to the alternative for their ex-
able time. Ido not think the people of this country will pulsior', There followed upon that, however, a long
be satisfied with that—they will not be pleased to find negotiation with regard to the detailed conditions which
that the Emperor of Russia in this, at least, has were proposed on the one side and objected to, in a
had his way, because no doubt his aim is to prevent certain degree, on the other. Those negotiations ended
them coming to this country, for he dreads the effect at last in an arrangement between the Turkish
which their presence will have upon public opinion. I Government and the Emperor of Russia, by which the
must say, therefore, that I think the Noble Lord ought Turkish Government agreed to expel, as by treaty it
to produce to the House all the information fur which I was bound to do, the Polish refugees from the Turkish
have asked with regard to this transaction, at least so territories. With regard to Austria, the Turkish Go-
far as the refugees are concerned. The Speech from vernment undertook to remove the Hungarians—not to
the Throne tells us that the differences terminated antis- put them in prison, as my Noble Friend has stated, but
factorily; but we want to know what has been done, to remove them to a distance from the Austrian ferrite-
and I say the House has a right to know what has been ries, and there detain tbemiunder that description of ob-
done in these matters, in order that it may exercise that nervation of which, happily, no English word conveys
supervision over the acts of the Government which the the meaning—under surveillance for a certain limited
Noble Lord OS Russell) has on former occasions stated time. The diplomatic relations between Russia and
to be its right and duty to exercise.—(Hear, hear.) Turkey have been re-established. Diplomatic relations
Let us know what has been done, and I between Austria and Turkey were not actually re-estab-
tell the Noble Lord that all that was required has not Hatted, but there was every reason to suppose they
been done; therefore let us know why it has not been would be within a few days after the last dispatches
dune, and let us be assured that all that could be done came away. During the negotiations which took place
has been effected.—(Hear.) I hope that the Noble at Constantinople the most perf•ct harmony and co-
Lord will consent to the requests which I have made. operation existed between her Majesty's Ambassador
I am sure he will do right to the country by so doing, and the Ambassador of the Republic of France,
and he will give me leave to say, that it is both essential and no doubt it was greatly owing to the friendly
to the House, and exceedingly desirable for his own offices of those diplomatic representatives that those
character as a Minister, in order that he may stand questions, involving great difficulty and cum-
right with the people, and continue to enjoy that good plications of various kinds were brought to a sue-
opinion which lam happy to know he has now long en- cessful issue; and I at bound to say that it is impos-
joyed—(flear, hear)—that he should afford us all sible for any man to have acquitted himself in such difli-
the information which I have felt it neces- cult circumstances, and in the execution of such an
sary and consistent with my duty to require. arduous duty, with more ability, more judgment, and
I the more earnestly call upon my Noble Friend on this more discretion, than Sir Stratford Canning had done
occasion, because, in former times, he has been extremely in the task which it had fallen to his lot 'to perform.
energetic in pressing other Governments to produce si- —(Che rs ) My Noble Friend has expressed an opinion
miler information; and over and above this, Le has made in respect to the arrangement which has been made,
it his boast that the Governments to which he belonged, and has declared that that arrangement is not altogether
more than any other, furnished information when it was satisfactory to his wishes and views. lam free to confess
required by Members of this House.—(flear.) I trust, that if had been a matter depending solely upon the will
therefore, that we shall have on all these subjects full and decision of her Majesty's Government, there are
and complete information, which may enable us to form many circumstances connected with that arrangement
a just and correct feeling upon them; for sure lam that that we should have wished to be different from what
if the question remains in its present state the country the! turn out to be. But there were treat'ee to be ob-
will not be satisfied.—(Hear, hear.) Therefore I served—there were offers which had been spontaneously
think it is absolutely necessary that all the inf wation made—engagements which had been voluntarily offered,
that can be given should be afforded.—(Cheers.) The and which could not be altogether retracted; and acting
Noble Lord concluded by moving an address fur copies under the circumstances as they bt ,od, and bearing in
or extracts of any correspondence between the British mind that although it was desirable to support the
Government and the embassies at Constantinople, St. Turkish Government in resisting the demands which it
Petersburgh, and Vienna, respecting the demands of would have been unfitting for that Government to
Russia and Austria for the extradition of Polish, Hun- comply with; yet, on the other hand, we should
garian, and It Alan refugees; of any correspondence be- have been acting an uthiendly part if we had
tween the Government of this country and the Govern- urged that Government to place itself, without ne-
ments of Turkey, Russia, and Austria, on the same sub- cessity, in the perilous position cf rupture
jest; of any correspondence between the Government with its two great and powerful neighbours—consider-
of this country and the embassies at Vienna and S. ing, on the cue hand, the difficulties from which it was
tersburgh respecting the late Hungarian war; of any cor- desirable to extricate the Turkish Government, and, on;
respondence between the Government of this country and the other hand, considering the concessions which the
the Governments of Austria and Russia on the same sub- Turkish Government ought not ta be compelled to make,
ject; copies of any proposal addressed by the late I believe the arrangement such as has been made is the
national Government of Hungary to the Government of best which, under all the circumstances of the case, it
Great Britain respecting the admission of British menu- was possible her Majesty's Governmeat could see ac
factures and produce into Hungary; also, copies or ex- complished. None of the refugees have been given up.,
tracts of any correspondence between the Government The Polish part of them are free to depart to other por-
of this country and the Ambassadors at Constantinople tions of Europe, where they will be in a state of com-
and St. Petersburgh, and the Consuls at Bucharest and plete liberty; and those Hungarians who are for a time
Jassy, respecting the occupation of the principalities of detained in the Turkish territory I hope will not be de-
the Danube by Russian troops; of any correspondence tained there long. At all events, I am quite satisfi, d
between the Government of this country and the Go- that the Turkish Government, from its generous feelings
vernments of Turkey and Russia on the same subject; and from its sense of the duties of hospitality, will take
and copy of the circular of Count Nesselrode, dated the care that while they are within its territories every at-
ttoiesacbcyepat•thhicehofftheerylahraeydeimstiandgeutioshehelim.
him, and
at-
19th to the 31st day of July, 1848, addressed to the re- tention will be paid to them which is consistent with
sbuebgnat t expresst th e naouhsoepesutchhat mo
upon
ni
otnhse
, and with the eminent presentatives of the Russian Government at the different their unfortunate position
quali-
Courts of Europe.—(Cheers.)
Mr. ANSTEY seconded the motion.Nobleo
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Lord PALMERSTON—My Noble Friend has tea- to
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moved for as can be laid uPp
yelled over so wide a field that I am persuaded the
why itniswvetninamhyaspbower to accede to the motion in the
House will not expect I should follow him in detail injurious to the public interest. I trust the House will
through all those various important transactions to which believe me when I sly that there are substantial reasons
his speech has related. I can assure my Noble Friend
that it is the wish of her Majesty's Government to give
ANSTEY saideheenrved by my Noble Friend.
all the information upon those transactions which transpired that evening, t:walateor
tormmet
the reason,opiniona fte rh whate h
nd hadex
it may be consistent with the public interest, and pressed on a former occasion of the able conduct pur-
e. Hungarian and other refugees now in
Government with respect to the
consistent with those courtesies that are due between sued by her Majesty's
Governments and countries, to afford. The motion
Turkey. In this instance, and he trusted it would be so
with which he bas concluded embraces so large extradition of th.
on all similar occasions,_ they had broken through that
a mass c f correspondence, comprising not only
system of truckling to IS •
all the confidential communications of her Ma- decessors in the Government ussia whichhnd
followed
they and their pre-
for so many
jesty's Government to our Ambassadors and Ministers years. He thought, too, that the noble sentiments ex-
abroad, but also communications between other Govern- pressed by the Sultan would not fail to make their due
merits, of which knowledge may have been given to the impressiononthe Cabinet, and he hoped that it might
Government of her Majesty, that I trust my Noble Friend be
long
and lasting,
in thinking thatHe
the
e entirely agreed withon
thathisN hadoble
and the Hous© will think I tun not asking too much of
friend
effected was unsatisfactoraeeemnihedti e could not con-
ceal from himself that the
chi
their forbearance if I entreat them not to press the motion unsatisfactory;
but
difficulty to which the
in the words in which my Noble Friend has put it, but Noble Lord the Foreign Secretary had adverted, almost
to allow me to select out of that great mass of papers in express language, was crea'ed by that treaty of 1841;
such documents as may explain to the House the course and that with that treaty staring him in the face, our
which her Majesty's Government has pursued, without Ambassador could not, nor could the Ambaesa for
giving do'ails, which would be inconvenient to the pub. of France, offer to the Sultan that prompt and imme-
lic service, or laying before the House those confidential diate assistance which would have been necessary if
communications that may have have passed between her the accommodation had been rejected and war had been
Majesty's Government and her Ministers abroad, or be- proclaimed. TT
--es must also ray that the result of the
tween them and the Ministers of other countries.— proceedings was due, not so much to our Ambassador
(Hear, hear.) With regard to the war in Hungary, I and the Ambassador of France, as to the Prime Minis-
had an opportunity last session of stating the views ter of the Porte, and he trusted that her Majesty's Go-
which I entertain of that question. I can only say that vernment would learn from this a salutary lesson, and
those feelings and opinions which I know ate enter- that in her future relations with Russia in respect to the
tained upon that matter by the great majority of the hands as they did in 1841. With respect to the other
people of this country are opinions and feelings which Porte they would take care not again to fetter their own
have done great credit to the country, and which, I trust, part of the question alluded to by his Noble Friend, and
I might almost say I know, no Englishman will differ to which the greater part of the documents he demanded
from its any respect whatever.—(Cheers.) At the same related, he must say he could not understend upon what
time lam sure the House will feel, that in a matter in principle it was that the Noble Lord the Foreign Sc-
which England had no direct right to interfere, the func- cretary, as well as every Minister, of whatever political
tions of the British Government with regard to the di- complexion he might be, could come down to that House
rection of events must be necessarily extremely limited. upon such an occasion and allege that the public service
Therefore, however strong may be the interest could possibly suffer from the publication uf the entire
which the Government of England, as representing of every document indicated in the notice of his Noble
the public opinion of this country, might take in those Friend. That observation applied particularly to the
events, the House will naturally suppose that the active case of the Danubian principalities, for it ap-
interference of the British Government must necessarily peered that those documents were asked for
have been restricted within limits, perhaps far more nar- with reference to the performance of a solemn
row than those to which their feelings might wish them obligation entered into with the assistance at
to exteed.—(Cheers.) With regard to the principali- least, if not by the mediation, of our own Sovereign in
ties of Wallachia and Moldavia, my Noble Friend and the course of last year, the object of which, as his
myself have discussed that question before. The House Noble Friend had said, and said truly, was to secure
is aware that Russia does stand, in regard to those prin- peace in the principalities, and ensure the great object
cipalities, upon a footing different from that upon which of our diplomacy—the maintenance of the Turkish
the Government of one country usually stands in respect empire; but which had been violated by one party to it
to provinces belonging to another country. There was —Christian Russia—whilst it had been observed by the
concluded in the course of last year an arrangement—it other—anti-Christian Turkey. The Noble Lord said
was not a treaty, it was an exchange of notes, standing that, although Russia had violated the treaty, it was
in the shape of a convention—by which the two Govern- now going to be ker ; but it must be observed that the
ments of Russia and Turkey engaged that the forces of time for its performance was the 31st of December,
Russia and Turkey in those provinces should, after a 1849, which was now past, so that it was impossible that
certain period, be reduced to the amount of 10,000 it could be strictly kept; and it appeared to him that the
men. My Noble Friend is correct in stating that the House would req-sire something more than the assurance
Turkish Government has carried that engagement of the Noble Lord that Russia had fixed some other day
into effect, and that the Russian Gcvernment has not for its fulfilment. He trusted, however, that if Russia
hitherto done so. I stated on a former evening that had done so, she would observe it with more fidelity
I believed, and it is my conviction, that the Rus- than she had observed her recent engagement. There
sian Government is about to carry that engageme .t into was, ho feared, every reason to believe that the small
execution. My Noble Friend, perhaps, does not partake for operations would not be suffered to pass by, and that
of my conviction. I can only say that the information the numerous forces now quartered onahe:people in that
we have received very lately leads me to think that the Danubian principalities would at the approach of spring
Turkish Ambassador recently sent to St. Petersburgh be employed by the Czar against this Sovereign power.
has received an assurance to that effect from the Govern- Se that it was no question of time, but one• that called
mont of Russia, and that the amount of the Russian for immediate decision. As to the other question—that
troops in those provinces will very speedily be reduced which was lately pending, and now, unhappily, at an end,
to 10,000 men. I can assure my Noble Friend that I between Austria and Hungary, he concurred in what
fully agree with him as to the severe pressure which the had fallen from his Noble Friend. Ile would merely
presence of those troops mutt occasion to the inhabit- observe that when the Noble Lord said that England had
ants of those principalities. It is perfectly evident that no immediate right or obligation to interfere in the set-
the obligation under which they have been laid for sup- dement of that questbn, or to enforce the performance of

that constitutional obligation which bound the House t f
Hapsburgh to the people of Hungary, it must be remem-
bered that England guaranteed the Pragmatic Sanction
adept >el by Hungary; he meant the constitutional prero-
gatives of the House of Hapsburgh on the one hand, and
the constitutional rights of the people of Hungary on the
other; and, having wasted our bleed and treasure in
support of it, we had a right, if not a duty, to see that
the stipulations then accorded to that people by that
House were performed.
After a short pause, as no other Hon. MernLer rose,
Lord DUDLEY S WART said, as his Noble Friend
had assured him that he was prepared to lay on the table
of the House a considerable number of the documents
moved fir, if the motion were withdrawn, and the selec-
tion left to himself, he should be very happy to accept
that arrangement; but before doing so he should like to
know whether the Noble Lord meant to give some papers
on each of the different transactions to which he had
alluded, whether he would give some of the correspon-
dence with, rega-d to the Hungarian war, some with
regard to the Moravian question, ald whether he
woull give the proposal of sub:ins:don made by the
Hungarian Governor; nt. lie should like to know
%%hat the offer was, and what he had to expect,
before he agreed to accept it. The Noble Lord had
said he did not expect that thme persons would be de-
tained and deprived c f their Ebert.) for any length of
time; that their captivity, for it was nothing else, would
at least be short; and he had also expressed his per-
suasion that the solerosity cf the Turkish Government
would be such as to take care that, during the time they
were kept in its territory, they should receive every pro-
iestion and every comfort they could desire. He hoped
so too; but he vi as not quite convinced that it was in the
power of the Turkish Government to provide either for
their com'ort or their protection white they were in
Turkey. It was known that the Austrian Cirovernment
was unscrupulous in the means to which it
resorted to obtain its ends; witness Gallicia, and the
scenes which had occurred in Hungary, at the insti-
gation of Austria, of which he had read a
description in the early part of the evening. In Austria
such a thing had happened before now, so that persons
disagreeable to certain Governments had been put out
of the way by assassination.—(Hear, bear.) He had
information to the effect that something of the kind had
been attempted—at any rate, had been planned—with
regard to Kossuth, and other eminent Hungarians now
detained in Turkey. Some months ago he had this from
a person who was then present with Kossuth at Widdin:
—A stranger arrived there, and took great pains to come
into communication with the cook who dressed the food
supplied to Kossuth, and with the physician vi ho ren-
dered bim bis medical assistance. And shortly
after it was found that some of the liquor which
came to the table had been practised on, and had had
something infused into it which gave great suspicion
that poison was intended. Later on, in December, a
number of persons were reported to have arrived at
Shumla, where Kossuth and his brave companions then
were; these persons were Austrians, or at least furnished
with Austrian passports, and the Turkish authority gave
notice to Kossuth that they had reason to believe these
persons had come to Shumla with a design upon his life
and that cf some of his companions. Having given this
notice (which he knew from Kossuth himself), the
Turkish Government added that they were unable to
interfere with those persons whose murderous inten-
tions they suspected, on account of their being fur-
nished with Austrian passports. If this was the pro-
tection and comfort which these unfortunet s but noble
and brave, patriots were to enjoy during their cap-
tivity, or during that species of surveillance which
it pleased the Emperor of Russia to subject them
to, there was no reason to be by any means satisfied
with the arrangement that had been made. And he
rather thought that the Sultan, if any such proceedings
could be brought home to the Austrian Government,
would be perfectly justified in departing from any en-
gagement to which he had come with reference to those
refugees and immediately set them at liberty. Nay,
more, if he could not protect them in his dominions, he
was bound, doubly bound, to set them at liberty. He
trusted the Noble Lord would direct his attention to
this matter, and would use his influence with Turkey in
order that Turkey might see these men, who were im-
prisoned under the requirements of a treaty, which
treaty, however, was not so positive that it might not
be read two ways, might not be assassinated in her do •
minions. It was very true that they had no right to press
on Turkey a particular line of policy, however desirous
they might be to do so in the present case; but they had
a right at the same time, to ace that Turkey was not
compelled by any other power to adopt a line of conduct
which would be pleasing to that power. He was happy
to say that the Noble Lord had exerted that right most
efficiently.—(Hear, hear.) But his Noble Friend might
be sure that, although they bad no right to dictate to
Turkey, there was a thorough persuasion in the minds
of the people of this country, that such was the influence
of England with Turkey, they would not believe that
Turkey would adopt any line cf policy which would be
disagreeable to this country. And if they saw the
Turkish Government disposed to falter in the noble
cause in which they had so nobly embarked, they would
not be brought to believe that it was not owing to her
not being properly sustained by the legitimate influence
of England.—(Eleer, hear.) He should be glad if his
Noble Friend laid before them such papers as might be
satisfactory.
Lord C. HAMILTON said that there was nothing in
the Noble Lord's first address which called for any
serious observation. Any person acquainted with the
history of Hungary must be aware of the extraordinary
errors into which the Noble Lord had fallen; and the
condition of the House—the empty benches, and the
frigid manner in which page after page of the observa•
tions he had read to the House from a bulky manu-
script
,were received by the few who remained to hear
him, demonstrated the little interest which was felt in
the subject ; but for the honour of the House and the
country, he (Lord C. Hamilton) hoped he would be
supported in calling upon the Noble Lord, if he
believed in the truth of the insinuations which
he had thrown out against the Austrian Go-
vernment of entertaining the base and inhuman
design of assassination, to come forward like a man
and make the charge distinctly and without circum-
locution.—(hear, hear.) Au accusation of such ex-
taime gravity ought not to be introduced into a sort of
reply made on withdrawing a motion. The Noble
Lord had withdrawn the usual phrases of an old wo-
man's tale, "it was strongly reported," and " it was
seriously believed," that somebody came to the place
where Kossuth of as residing, and had a mysterious in-
terview with his cook, and, because the wino afterwards
was supposed to present an unusual appearance, it was
assumed that it had been tampered with.—(Hear, and
a laugh.) It was derogatory to the dignity of the House
that such a gross charge should have been insinuated
by one of its Members against an old ally of this
country, and one which in past days had stood by us
bravely and faithfully.—(Hear.) What! impute ti the
Emperor of Austria the intention of carrying off by
poison unfortunate men whom circumstances had com-
pelled to take refuge in Turkey.—(Hear.) The House
must, he was sure, have listened with indignation to
the base calumny directed rgainst a Government which,
with all its faults—and he %as not there to approve of
all the proceedings of Austria—had always acted in
an upright and open manner, and had often been to this
country a useful and faithful ally.—(Cries of
" Hear, hear.") He would stake his existence as
to the groundlessness of the charge, which could only
have entered into the mind of a man who, like the Noble
Lord, was ready to swallow anything against Austria.
—(llear, hear, and laughter.) Of course the Noble Lord
was not the originator of the atrocious calumny; he was
merely put forward by others to utter it; but the Noble
Lord baring insinuated it in an assembly of gentlemen,
in a hesitating manner, whilst withdrawing a motion, he
(Lord C. Hamilton) felt that it would not have redounded
to the credit of the House if some one had not stood up
and called upon the Noble Lord either to make the ac-
cusation openly and explicitly, or to withdraw it wholly.
—(Hear, hear.) To show the state of misty ignorance
in which tie Noble Lord existed with respect to the
Hungarian question, it was only necessary to remind the
House that the Noble Lord had spoken of Hungary as
having been always an independent nation and in pos-
session of a constitution. The Noble Lord had evidently
never heard that for more than a cent try Hungary vs at
unders he dominion of the Porte—that a Turkish Bashaw
dictated laws to her from Bud, and that the house of
Hapsburgh drove back tho Turk, and restored her con-
stitution to Hungary. With respect to the murders
committed at Vienna and Pesth, which the Noble Lord
represented to to the unpremeditated acts of a mob, it
was well known that they were planned and determined
on befsrehand.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. COCKBURN said he hoped his Noble Friend
would not press his motion, but would rest satisfied with
the assurance of the Noble Lord (Palmerston), that he
would produce such papers as would throw a sufficient
light on the course of policy pursued in these matters.
Otherwise it would seem to him that his Noble Friend
would imply a doubt of the perfect propriety of the course
of conduct adopted by her Majesty's Government. He
thought the explanations given by the Noble Lord the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs, on the preterit occasion,
and on a former occasion, when he made a speech that
gave great satisfaction in the country, should be a suffi-
cient guarantee that the course pursued by her Majesty:a
Government, and by the Noble Lord, towards Austria
and Russia, in the present instance, was such
as became the honour, the dignity, and the
interests of this country.—(Hear, hear.) And
therefore he thought his Noble Friend ought to be
satisfied with such papers as might be produced by the
Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs.—(Hear.)
He should not have trespassed on the House on the pre-
sent occasion were it not for the extraordinary speech of
the Noble Lord opposite.—(Hear.) He could quite well
understand that a difference of opinion might exist as to
the right and justice of the struggle in which Austria
had btea engaged with Hungary. But whilst he al-
lowed that a difference of opinion might exist on that
point between Hop. Members of that House, he did not
mean it to be inferred that he did not himself consider
that the cause for which Hungary engaged in that
frightful struggle with Austria n+ as one of the greatest
and most righteous in which any country could be in-
volved.—(Cheery.) He believed it to be a struggle for
the maintenance of an ancient constitution and cal-
blished laws, and that it was improperly and unjustly
designale I by terming it a rebellion against a lawful So-
vereign.—(lli a-, hear.) He was not, however, going to
enter upon the discussion of that mater now. But when,
afer what had taken place—after Austria had, by the
aid of foreign bayonets and foreign hordes—(hear,
hear)—succeeded in putting down the Hungarian cause
—when they recollected what had since passed—the
frightful executions and the bloody murders which en-
sued—(Cheers)—he was surprised to hear an English
gentleman and nobleman, with a zeal worthy of a better
cause, but discreditable when employed in such a cause
as that which the Noble Lord had just pleaded, enter
upon the &fence of Austria after the conduct of
which she hal been guilty before the world.—
(Hear, hear.) He held in his hand a publication by
went of the number of
Austria herself—an official &mu

executions since the termination of; the struggle, and he
had no hesit ttion in calling it one of the foulest and
bloodiest death rolls that he ever cast his eye upon.--
(Hear, hear.) After Hungary had fallen—not by the
power of Austria—(Hear, hear)—but after she had
fallen by the intervention of Russia, a foreign invasion
and domestic treason.—(Hea., hear.) When Austria
had succeeded by these means, and when, if at all times
the victorious party should show forbearance, there never
was a time when forgiveness and forbearance were more
appropriate and necessary, Austria entered upon those
bloody and atrocious executions which were a dis-
grace to humanity, at least in modern times.—(Lond
cheers.) Ile confessed he felt the greatest surprise at
hearing any person defending and advocating Austria
in these abominable proceedings.—(Hear, hear.) He
would read a list of t lose executions, and
the House would, he was sift e, feel horror-struck at
the noble and illustrious blood shed on this occasion:—
EXECUTIONS AND PUNISHMENTS.
I. Ciluxot.
1. Mr. Razga, Lutheran clergyman
June. at Presburg, hangel in
2. Mr. Meszaros, Catholic priest, shot at Raab, end of June.
3. Mr. Gonczewsky, Catholic priest, shot at Pesth, in
October.
4. Mr. Rudnyanszky, Catholic Bishop of N
to five years' imprisonment.
5. Mr. Bartakovics, Catholic Bishop of
Rosenau
6. Mr. Lonovics, Archbishop of Erlau
7. Mr. Baron Berner, Bishop of Gross-
wardein
8. Mr. Jaros, Great Prior of Gran
9. Mr. Levay, Great Prior of Erlau
10. Mr. Pupovics, Greek Bishop of Munkacs
1 t. Mr. Haubner, Lutheran Bishop, dead in prison.
12. Mr. Packb, Lutheran I.iishop, hidden in the mountains,
prosecuted by the Hue and Cry.
13. Mr. Michael Toth, Calvinist clergyman at Debreczin
(the most eloquent preacher), sentenced to 18 years'
imprisonment in heavy irons.
14. Mr. Horwath, Catholic Bishop of Csanad
15. Mr. Jekelfalussy, Catholic priest of Zipsen Refugees.
16. Baron Mednyaoszky, Catholic canon
11. STATE.
1. Count Louis Batthyanyi, Prime Minister, tried by court-
martial and shot at Pesth ; his estates confiscated.
2. Baron Perenyi (upwards of 70 years of age), President
of the House of Lords, and Judge of the Supreme
Court, hanged at Pesth ; estates confiscated.
3. Baron Jeszenak, Second Lieutenant of the county of
Iceutra, hanged ; estates confiscated.
4. Mr. Csanyi, Minister under Kossuth, hanged; estates
confiscated.
5. Mr. Petocz, High Sheriff of the county of Presburg,
shot at Presburg.
6. Mr. Szacsvay, Secretary of the Diet, hanged at Pesth.
7. Mr. Csernus, Counsellor of the Treasury, hanged at
Pesth.
8. Mr. Novak, Secretary in the Home-office, shot at Pesth.
9. Count Leopold Nadasdy, Privy Councillor, Lord L'eute-
nant of the county of Comorn, imprisoned for four
years, sentenced to pay a tine of 14,0001.
10. Count Stephan Karolyi, imprisonel for four years, fined
14,000'., Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Pesth.
11. Count Raday, Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Nograd,
imprisoned fvr two years.
12. Count George Karolyi, fined 10,030/. for hay'
great joy at the arrival of the Hussars.
13. Mr. Marczibanyi, Lord-Lieutenant of Trencsei
of the Commoners of Hungary, fined 2,000',
The number of the shot and imprisoned of
station is much greater.

!usol, sentenced

In prison ur-
der trial for
high treason;
they are tried
by court-
martial.

ing shown

the firs

no high

111. ARMY.
General Kiss, shot at Arad.
2. General Dessiiffy, shot at Arad.
3. General Schweidel, shot at Arad.
4. General Torok, shot at Arad.
5. General Lazar, hanged at Arad.
6. General Knezich, hanged at Arad.
7. General Count Leiningen, hanged at Arad.
8. General Count Vecsey, hanged at Arad.
9. General Nagy Sandor, hanged at Arad.
10. General Aulich, hanged at Arad.
11. General Laner, hanged at Arad.
12. General Poltenberg, hanged at Arad.
13. General Damianich, hanged at Arad.
14. Colonel Kazinczy, shot at Arad.
15. Colonel Prince Woroniecky, hanged at Pesth.
16. Colonel Orman hanged at Pesth..
17. Colonel Soil, shot at Pesth.
18. Colonel Baron Mednyansky, hanged at Presburg.
19. Colonel Gruber, hanged at Presburg.
20. Major Abancourt, hanged at Presburg.
21. Major Giron, hanged at Presburg.
22. Major Fekete, hanged at Pesth.
23. Major Murmann, shot at Temesvar.
24. Major Lepier, shot at Pancsova.
25. General Mega
Imprisoned from five to eigh
26. General Count Lathr,}
27. General Gaspar, years.
28. Lieutenant Field-Marshal Hrabowszky, under trial.
" Some fifty colonels sentenced to eighteen years' imprison-
ment in heavy irons; some thirty lieutenant-colonels and
majors to sixteen years in heavy irons. All the officers of
the Hungarian army who had not served before in the
Austrian army were sent to the army as private soldiers, whs
can be flogged by the simple order of their officer. This is
the case with Count Stephan Esterhazy ; Baron Frederic
Podmaniczzky; Count Gustav Batthyanyi, the son of the
Count, well known in England; of Baron Liptay, of Mr.
Paul Csuzy, and a hundred others.
" Many more than the above mentioned were shot, but the
sentence has not been always (officially) published. The sen-
tences of the above were published offic.ally. In the pre-
sence of the Emperor Francis Joseph, at Raab, two men were
shot, a student and a Jew, for sympathising with the Hun-
garians. His Majesty did nothing to stop these cruelties."
In addition to these individuals two women of rank, the
daughter of the Bishop Haubner, of Rub, and Mrs. Ma-
derspach, at Ruskberg, were sentenced to be flogged.
And not only was sentence passed, but it was actually
carried into execution.—(Hear, hear.) And in the Lice
of all this were they to hear it said that the Noble Lord
was t) blame when he asked for some security that pro-
tection would be given to the unfortunate refugees that
their lives should not be practice 1 upon, if not by the
Austrian Government, and at their instigation, at least
by Austrian subject 4, who perhaps knew what would be
most an'T(eAblo t) their Government ?—(l.lear, hear.) nib
Noble Friend merely stated a feet, namely, that the
Turkish Government had given notice to Kos-
suth that persons arm. d with Au.t'ian la4s-
ports, and whom the Turkish Government was
therefore impotent to remove, came to Turkey
for the purpose cf practising on Kossuth's lif
That view was corroborated by subsequent flcts, and the
Noble Lord was perfectly justified in stating the matt r
to the House, and in asking the Noble Lord the &ere-
tar,' for Foreign Affairs for an assurance that this country
would at all events take all the pre3autions in its power
to protect these unfortunate refugees, against being de-
livered up to the mercy of persons who, if not actually
employed by the Government and Ministry of Austria
or liussie, well knew how they could best conciliate
those Governments.—(hear, hear.) Being in possession
of the greatest of all blessings, constitutional freedom
itself, this country felt, and the Noble Lord (Palmerston)
felt for those who were struggling for constitutional
liberty. But whilst this country was prepared t gii e
a moral support to those who were engaged in such a
noble and holy struggle, he admitted they were not in a
condition to go to war or to interfere by force of arms in
their behalf. It would, however, offer them the shield
and protection of public opinion in England whilst en-
gaged in a contest for those liberties which, happily for
them, their f trefathers had gained, and which he trusted
their descendants would ever maintain.—(Cheer.)
Mr. DISRAELI said, that although the House must
doubtless be desirous that this unnecessary debate should
be brought to a close, the tone taken by the Hon. and
1-4( awned Member who had just spoken made it necessary
for him (Mr. Disraeli) to say a word in vindication of
what he conceived to be the proper course taken by his
Noble Friend (Lord C. Hamilton) near him.—(Hear,
hear.) Before proceeding further, however, he must
congratulate
.the Hon. and Learned Member and his
friends on the sympathy they felt with precedents of the
House of Lord., with the Church in genera', and with
bishops in particular.—(Hest-, hear.) Such indications
of right feeling could not fail to be very satisfactory to
tho Conservative party.—(A laugh.) Tho Hon. and
Learned Member had read to the House a list of some of
the victims of the unhappy and unfortunate civil war
which had taken place in Hungary. All must deeply de-
plore such events, but it was impossible for them, sitting
in that House, to form any political opinion on the cir-
cumstances. There was nothing in the facts stated to
show whether the victims were victims to their own in-
judicious and evil courses, or heroes and martyrs.
Open the " History of England," and you would find a
list of confiscations and executions which had taken
place ever since the preseat Royal Family, to which we
were so much indebted for liberty and progress, acceded
to the throne.—(Hear, hear.) Would it be fair to refer
to the execution of the unfortunate Earl of Derweet-
water, and the confiscation of his estates, and also the
execution of the accomplished Balmerino, and say, " Look
at the horrors committed by this dynasty, which could
only substantiate its position by such atrocities?"—
(Hear, hear.) The list of executions read by the lion.
and Learned Member, even if it were authentic, was no-
thing more therefore than might be found in our own
history, at no very distant da'e. But it was unnecessary
to go back to 1740. The echoes of the speech of the
Hon. Member for Inverness-shire in the debate of yester-
day were yet ringing in the House.—(Hear.) In Ceylon
the executions ordered by courts-martial had, it ap-
peared, been carried into effect with such a want of dis-
crimination, that the judges themselves acknowledged
that in many instances the victims were not criminals.
Might it not be said " What cen you think of a Govern-
meat which sanctions such proceedings, and what of
the state of society which tolerates such a Govern-
ment?" In his opinion his Noble Friend was perfectly
justified in expressing his indignation at the speech
of the Noble Member fur Marylebone.—(Hear, hear.)
If the Noble Lord felt a conviction that the charge he
had made against the Austrian Government was founded
on fact, he ought to have given it a much more pro-
minent place in the discussion.—(Hear.) As it was,
the Noble Lord introduced into the epilogue of the enter-
tainment of the evening an insinuation that an old ally
of her Majesty meditate I murder and assassination.veet
I
Now, that was a; unwarrantable a proceedintga
took place in that House.—(Hear, bear.) f the Noble
Lord believed that the Austrian Government
wmedeirte ated
the assassination of unarmed individuals,to
aßr certainiti sc la r fd
th
hi
his
Fur his (Mr. Disraeli's)
h Government,extent pacedlie under theto have. protection
d
belief in his opening speech.
h. d
cixseprewssietd eeh l!
indignation
rhautiopnerwfehctielyb uhnisdeNrsotbooled
la,nridensdymhpaadt
to Noblethgenerale Member f fur !sat
iruyi;
(tH'inear, conduithearoof
Ahes
Fifintieen.t—ghe House, nothing could be more gratifying to
him than to find so general a feeling prevailing in favour
of the integrity of the Turkish empire. He had always
maintained that the integrity of that empire was
essential to the peace and permanent prosperity of the
civilized world; but whilst advocating that view it had
te?n his fortune to find himself in a minority. It was now
25 years since the Liberal party, in total ignorance of
what be would not call that fallen, but that feeble, power
—in total ignorance of its political and social condition
—in total ignorance of its resources, of its laws, and
of its constitution—in total ignorance of the genius of its
people and of the necessity of its existence to the stabi-
lity of states, commenced It course of hostility towards

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it; and it was only lately they had discovered that they
were in error in exciting the passions of Europe againis
a generous people.—(llear.) It was the Liberal party
which had lashed up the sympathies ef Christendom till
their policy ended in the tatastrophe of Navarine.
th(haf (H h.)
eat
arc,koeulnli
de
tahreb. )0 opportunity An ond d irhavingi6i done all this mischief they
oonf_mtaokdinogwahmato?tioln
oonexpwhriesaiele
the sympathy of England with a great country on that
which the ignorance and prejudice of England, occasioned!
—he
ewioeuveldd not say sraeysotuhrecesfaloileTnusiteeyowf
were verb
and stimulated by themselves, had caused. The state 0£
latterly
Tkey
because he t 1.
rse and under the Government which it had
waatstecrayutseexdpbeyrietnhceeidnwtreigreuebsettfe.radevLe.l,oped than theyt ha;
land. The Noble Lord the °Mee iber"
also came fore ard to denouncealbtheer
ever been—but he should say the critical state of Turks
f .ambition
I party
tn.
tiaornyolf:
rb
onenngei.
lighten the House on the
whicnah anfce, uvres of Russia, retiree.
Pityrotywer
howerreryears had played into
sentcd the very
was unconsciously, and vs hieh had etuenlcteodneiFiously, it it
try a most inveterate prejudice against the hands of that
conduct and
hisbscl
friends b eewaasa thataeldTl
presentordreasnuditin this corm-
bea
det matter
character of the Turki.h Government.
that
ttihteft:
elosisot thattile the Noble
L
opened to the errors of the course they haft so lon
sued. These barren motions, brought tyretvird gongeepuiy
rl-
in a scanty Hause, might really serve as recap
teetifionsa by
the Liberal pa, ty of their diplomatic ignorance; and be
congratulated tl e Noble Lard the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs, who on this subject had had a very hard time of
it, on the debate of to-night—in Particular when a
Member of that House, who on entering it bad
mg-
naliz•d himself by the impeachment of the Noble Lord,
was now found prepared to do justice to that Noble
Lord f,r the admirable readiness with which he had
come forward to vindicate the interests of the Turkish
empire. He (Mr. Disraeli) had nut considered she
Noble Lord a traitor or given hint credit for those Cons
summate abilires which some who had before denounced
him were ready to attribute to the Noble Lord. But
the Noble. Lord, he had always thought, might, gene-
rally speaking, have managed affairs pretty well, had it
not beea for the Liberal party in this House who first
hallooe I the country on against Turkey, and when they
had done' almost incalculable mischief turned round
and declared that the existence of Turkey was essential
to the best interests of Europe. As regarded foreign
affairs, he recognised in that party the peculiar charac-
teristic which the Noble Lord the First Minister had
described as the characteristic of their policy in domestic
affairs when he spoke of it as the policy of very con-
tracted minds. They had imperfect knowledge. Un-
fortunately they possessed some power, which they used
for dangerous purposes; and fur the last six or seven
years they had taken every opportunity of coining for-
ward to uphold the interests and vindicate the cause of
a power, namely, Turkey, the critical state of which was
entirely attributable to the excited passions of Europe,
which they had raised against the interests of that
country, and to their total ignorance how important the
existence and maintenance of the Ottoman empire was
to Europe.
Sir D. L. EVANS was confident that the emancipa-
tion of the Greek people was an event which neither the
majority of that House, nor the majority of the nation,
would look back to with regret.—(Hear, hear.) His
Noble Friend had been accused of historical ignorance;
but when the assettlon of his Noble Friend, that Hun-
gary had an ancient constitution, was contradicted, he
ventured to say without making any preten-
sions to historical knowledge, that the assertion hoe
plied no ignorance whatsoever. The constitution of
Hungary was an old one. [Lord C. HAMILTON—" I never
said the contrary."] That was one of the points on
which ignorance was imputed. The Noble Lord alluded
also to the misfortunes of the Hungarians in the wars
with Turkey. But he forgot that the Hungarians con-
ferred benefits on Austria similar to those which he
said Austria had conferred on Hungary. Ile forgot to
tell the House that John Sobieski was the man who re-
lieved Vienna, and saved Austria. Was it, or was it
not, that Hungary had possessed one of the most ancient
constitutions in,Earope? [Lord C. HAMILTON—" Cer-
tainly."] With reference to the execution of Hun-
garians by the Austrian Government, the Hon. Member
for Buckinghamshire spoke of the uncertainty of infor-
mation on such matter?, and thence concluded that they
ought not to indulge in strictures on the Austrian Go-
vernment. He alluded to what i,ad occurred in Ceylon
and the lonian Islands ; but, if severities had been in«
flitted in these two dependencies of this country, was
there any reason to believe that they would be
vindicated by a majority of that House?—(Hear, hear.)
That one of the most bloody and horrible lista
of punishments ever put on record should be treated
so lightly as it had been attempted to be treated by
the Hon. Gentleman was a matter of extreme astonish-
meat. The Government of Austria stood distinguished
from the others as being the only Government in Eu-
rope which bad bombarded every great city in :its do-
minions. He was glad to find that Hon. Gentlemen
bad not uttered a single word in disapproval of the con.
duct of her Majesty's Government on the subject of de •
bate—(Hear)—and he hoped it would go forth to the
country and to Europe that this House unanimously ap-
proved of the judicious and discreet course which her
Majesty's Government had pursued.—(Hear.)
Lord C. HAMILTON had never said the Hungarian
constitution was act an old one. It Sock date terra
years after Magna Charta was granted, namely, in the
3ear 1222. Ile heard the Noble Lord (Lord D. Stuart)
say the Hungarians were always ineependent, and al-
-1 ways enjoyed that constitution. The ignorance charged
a4ainst the Noble Lord was that he did pct seem t'.) be
aware that at the first battle of Mohair the
Turks appended Hungary to their empire, that for
a century and a half a Turkish pasha dictated laws from
Buda, and that the anti. nt constitution was restored to
Hungary by the house of Hapsburgh.
Sir H. 11. INGLIS otierved, that whatever support
the Hungarians might have given to the house of Haps-
burgh, John Sobieski at least was nt t a Hungarian.—
(Hear, hear.) He rose merely to make the remark, lest
it should go forth that these statements of the lion. and
Gallant Gentleman (Sir De Lacy Evans) had, by pass-
ing uncontradieted, rezeived the unanimous assent of
the House of Commons.
Sir D. L. EVANS had said nothing with respect to
the nativity cf. John Sobieski, but he believed that Hun-
garian troops were chiefly instrumentality on that occa-
sion in rescuing Vienna.—(Hear.)
Mr. M. MILNES was surprised that the Honourable
Member for Buckinghamshire, skilled as he was in his-
torical facts, should have recalled the great events of
1745, when the royal race, the Constitution, and the
Church were threatened, without stating that only three
noblemen were put to death, and certainly not more
than 25 persons were executed. That took place 100
years ago, and if Austria were content to go back to that
period, ttcy must be permitted to regard her as 100
years behind the age.—(Hear.) When the present sub
jest came before the Assemby cf a neighbouring power,
where the majority was conservative, no single voice
was raised to vindicate or pal iate the proceedings
of the Austrian Government.—(Hear, hear.) He could
not avoid animadverting on the imprudence of the vio-
lence shown by that Government, as regarded the well-
being of the Austrian empire. Was the rive of Atotria
and Hungary one that could be viewed with satisfaction?
It was the interest of this country that Austria should
exist as a compact empire. They must, therefore, re-
gard the events of the last few years with dismay, and
desire to implore the Administration cf Austria to re-
trace its steps and adopt measusea which 111)uld have the
effect of obliterating in some degree the feelings c f bit;-
terness which had arisen among different portions of the
empire.

Mr. GRATTAN rose to adduce another instance of
punishment inflicted under the authority of the Aus-
trim Government in order to allow the Noble Lord
the Member for Tyrone (Lord C. Hamilton) another
opportunity of displaying his generous humasity and
fine national feeling. The case was described in a
paper which was from authority—not from a bishop
or a president, but—a lady.—(Laught,r, and a cry of
" Question I") Question? It was the question.—(Herr,
hear.) He should like to see she Member who called
" Questionl"—(A laugh.) The document was what he
had a right to read. It was a letter from an Hungarian
Countess, and said—" In our immediate neighbourhood
an army of Hungarians, amounting to 10,000 men, with
40 cannons, surrendered at discretion. Two days after-
wards some Imperial troops, a detachment of Liechten-
stein's Light Horse, commanded by 'a captain, u native
of this town, entered Ruskley. I was.torn from the arms
of my husband and children, from the hallowed sanc-
tuary of home, and hurried before no judge—but I, a
woman, a wife, a mother, in my own native town, before
the people, who were accutt tmed to tr. at we with re-
spect, was dragged into a square c f soldiers, and there
I was scourged with rods." Was there any one in that
House who could listen to the narrative of suck an out-
rage without indignation? Had the Noble Lord com-
mon feelings of humanity, that he could rise in that
House and desecrate its sanctuary by parasitical adu'a-
lion of women-floggers? She proceeded,—" I ran write
this without dropping my head for shame. But my hut-
band killed himself. He drew a pistol and shot himself."
That letter was signed by the Countess de Maders-
frach. There was a time when, in such a a cause,
"a thousand swords," to use the language of Burke,
" would have leaped from: their scabbards in her de-
fence." If the Marchioness of Abercorn were taken and
floggei before the Grenadier Guards, what would the
Noble Lord think? Or what would he say if the
Duchess of Devonshire were taken and flogged in the
streets of Le,ndon?—(Cheers and laughter.) Who with
a laugh on his face could hope to walk through the
streets of London without being spit upon by the women
and children for base unfeeling sentiments? They
might yet succeed, before the end of the session, in call-
ing up a blush cf shame to the cheek of the Noble Lord.
lie had seen another lady, the Countess Wolkonski,
whose bust and was a frit nd cf the Duke of Wf llington;
he La I seen her selling her diamonds to procure the
means of subsistence. It was the emperors who sanc-
tioned ench atrocities that were thought worthy of
praise in that assembly. They began by bribing Goergey
they went on to murderinz Batthyany, and he should
not to surprised if they ended by poisoning Kossuth.
Those northern eagles were fit emblems of those doub'e-
necked tyrants—(A. laugh)—tha had pounced on Hun-
gary to destroy its independence. Thank God he had
lived to utter his execration of those is rants! Ile never
could think them anything but murderers with diadems
on their heads; and if they poisoned this atmosphere
with their pestilential principles and presence, he trusted
there was spirit enough in the British lion to humb!e
them and repel them from these shores.—(Cheers.)
REPRESENTATION OF KENSINGTON.
Mr. MACGREGOR, having risen for the purpose of
bringing forward his motion for erecting Kensington,
Chelsea, Fulham, and Hammersmith into a Parliamen-
tary borough,
Major BERESFORD presented a petition from Sud-
bury, praying for the restoration of the franchise to that
borough.
Mr. MACGREGOR hoped the House would have the
awe patience with him Which they had had with the