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London, England, 1850-08-10 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 8.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
CRIME AND OUTRAGES AC I' (IRELAND)

CONTINUANCE (No. 2) Bill.

On the motion that the House do resolve itself into
Committee on this Bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the Bill be committed
this day three months, and, in doing so, said he did not
intend to repeat anything which he had stated before,
but merely wished to appeal to her Majesty's
Government, after they had had another night
for reflection, whether they really meant to
persevere with the measure, and to inflict
another gratuitous insult and injury on the
country. He scarcely hoped to succeed, although he
believed he-ought to succeed—(A. laugh)—because the
accounts which had been received by the last post from
Ireland corroborated what he had already declared, that
peace and order prevailed throughout, the country. Some
of the advocates of the Bill stated that the satisfactory
state of Ireland was entirely owing to its
operation. He did not believe any such thing,
but he would like to know, if the Bill was
passed on that ground, when the powers which it con-
ferred were to cease.—(Hear, hear.) If the order and
peace which prevailed was assigned as a reason fur con-
tinuing the Bill, it might be assumed with good reason that
it was to have a perpetual existence.—(hear.) When
the Bill was introduced in 1847 they had a long list of
crimes- and outrages, and they were told if the
Bill - was , not passed, that , there would be
an insurrection in Ireland. The Bill accordingly re-
ceived the sanction of the House for a period of three
years and a half. It had now been three years in exist-
ence, and peace and good order bad been secured, and
fie would ask the English and Scotch Members, who
voted for the Bill in 1847, if they were pre-
pared to record their votes in favour of its
continuance? Tbe. Bill, in his opinion, was unnecessary,
unjust in principle, and. he was, therefore, bound to
take the earliest opportunity to divide the House on the
motion that the Speaker do leave the chair.

Mr. G. THOMPSON opposed the Bill, which he
said he had objected to when it was first introduced.
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir G. Grey) could not
have forgotten that, on the occasion of introducing the
Crime and Outrages Bill, he used the significant words
that the measure he then proposed was one merely in-
tended to lessen the amount of evil that had grown out
of the then state of the relations between landlord and
tenant, and that it would be the wish of the Govern-
ment to introduce such measures thenceforward
al would be' calculated to remove the evils arising
from that relationship.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr.
Thompson) could not recollect a single measure
which had since passed that House calculated to
remedy those evils. Under those circumstances could
he, as an English Member, vote with any party in that
House in favour of the continuance of this most
insulting Act P Had they not had it paraded
even from the Throne itself, in the gracious speech
of her Majesty herself, that she was received in
Ireland with one universal burst of loyal feeling ? And
did not the recent assizes in Ireland show that there was
less of crime and outrage there than had been the case
within the memory of man ? Why then, under these
circumstances, were they called on to continue those
'most extraordinary, mot to say unconstitutional powers?
Her Majesty's Government might have sufficient reason
fur wishing this Bill to pass, but they had not
condescended to assign any reason for passing
it. The only reason assigned was that Ireland was now
tranquil, and that tranquillity was owing to the exercise
of .the extraordinary powers conferred on the Lord-
Lieutenant by the Crime and Outrage Act. That was
an argument that would do for all time and for any
country; and it would justify the passing of a similar
Act for this coutetry.—(Hear, hear.) He did say the
time was now come to allow that Act to expire, and for
the House to show that they had some faith in the Irish
people.—(Cheers.) The disaffection which gave ri e to
the Crime and Outrage Act did not now exist.—(lltaar,
hear.) The individuals that promoted it were not now
in the country; and the press that fomented that dis.
aff-ciion was utterly extinguished, or if not extin-
guished, had greatly modified its tone. He should
support the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Rey -
nolds) in the motion he had mad", and he asked
the Members for Ireland on this occasion to
do their duty.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr, Thompson)
saw a state of things yestetday which was discreditable
to the Irish Members. Out of 105 Irish Members, 33
only were within the walls of that House—(Hear, hear)
—considerably less-than one-third of the entire repre-
sentation of that island, when a measure was under dis-
cussion affecting the enjoyment of constitutional govern-
ment in that country.—(Hear, hear.) He called on
Irish Members to do their duty on this occasion; it
was not even now too late for them to do so; and
he trusted that the House would not give its sanction
to so wanton an outrage on the constitutional liberties
of the people of Ireland as was contemplated by this
Bill.

Mr. AGLIONBY had always taken a lively in-
terest in the. aff Ars of Ireland, and he felt he was acting
as consistently as the liqn. Gentleman who had just sat
down by giving his support to this Bill. It was only a
measure of continuance for a time of an Act which hail
worked most beneficially in repressing crime and out-
rage in Ireland.
Mr. MOORE reminded the Hon. Gentleman (Jlr.
George Thompson) that when the Irish Members made
their first stand against this measure they had neither
the voice not the vote of that Hon. Gentleman.

Mr. G. THOMPSON explained that he was ill in
bed on that occasion, or he would have been but too
happy to have attended in his place to oppose the
measure.

Sir T. O'BRIEN believed in his conscience that this
Bill was not called for in the present condition of Ireland.
Mr. ANSTEY thought the conduct of the Hon. and
Learned Member for (Jockermouth was most eatraordi•
nary. He had always before voted along with the late
Mr. O'Connell against coercion Bills, even where there
was a much greater need of them than at pre-
sent, and now they found him supporting the whole
plan of Government for oppressing Ireland, even
when he acknowledged that he was perfectly ignorant
of any circumstances which called for it. The real
question at issue here was, whether the present state of
the law was not sufficient to meet all the present cir-
cumstances of Ireland, and he contended that it was the
duty of the Government to prove Chet it was not. He
did not deny that there were murders in Ireland. but be
did not think that there was anything which called for
such strong measures. He did not doubt that the
amendment would be lost, but be fur one would give it
his general support. _ _ _

Sir GEORGE GREY said, that though the opposi-
tion to this Bill had been very great, he must say
that the Honourable Member for the Tower Hamlets
bad been just to Irish Members. Their opposition to
the Bill had been strenuous certainly, but still
honest and straightforward. The Bill which had
come down to that House from the Lords had been laid
aside, and leave moved for to bring in another Bill; on
that occasion, unusual as it was, great opposition had
been off,red to that, and to every subsequent stage
of the Bill. The Hon. Member, after such repeated
debates on the Bill, seemed entirety to have mistaken
the objects .of the Bill. The Hon. Gentleman seemed
to think that the Bill, when originally introduced, was
to repress disaffection in Ireland, and he argued, after
the loyal reception which her Majesty had met with in
her• late visit, that there was no more occasion for
it. The Honourable Gentlemen ought to have
ktiown that this Bill was not introduced to repress
political agitation, but it was enacted with reference to
the system of assassination, which was unfortunately
so prevalent in that country. He must also beg to re-
mind the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Anstey) that he too had taken a wrong view of
this Bill. He seemed clearly to consider it as
analagous to the Coercion Bill, as it was called.
The Bill, in fact, was a necessary substitution for a Bill
of still more stringent provisions. He must say that he
thought there had been quite sufficient opportunity for
discussion ou this measure, and he hoped the House
would now allow them to go into Committee.
. Mr. W. J. FOX considered that the system of evic-
tion was the root. of all Irish evil. He considered that,
as the prevalence of crime and outrage was a reason for
the extraordinary powers in 1847, so the great dimi-
nution of crime and outrage in 1850 was a reason why
they should leave Ireland in this matter to the
regular operation of the laws and constitu-
tion of the country. But there were other measures
of amelioration n,cessary for the peace and prosperity
of the country. He thought that encouragement ought
to ba given to the division of property in a country
which was of so purely an agricultural character.
The Government had certainly done something for the
redemption of the franchise from utter extinction, but it
bad nut been put on the same level as it was in
this country. On one question, however, be believed
the Government had cont.. rred a very great good upon
Ireland; they had continued their educational
measures,
arid be believed that Irish education had done what Eng-
lish education had left undone, viz., cc-operating as a check
to crime, and in throwing up a great barrier against
many of the evils which afflicted the country. He fiend
that while during the last ten years iu England the pro-
pdrtion of criminals who had been partially instructed
had been gradully increasing as compared with those
who had received no tdtication, in Ireland crime was

almost totally among the uninstructed. and 'het crime
among the instructed was diminishing instf ad of io-
creasing, as in this country. But he believed that
universal quietude could never be secured in the country
until measures of a peaceful and of a mentally influenti:l
kind, such as he referred to, were further extended.
No country could remain contented were the established
religion was only that of a small minority, where the
worship of one portion of the people was an insult and
aggravation to the other, owing to its being supported
from the resources of the grew, body of the public, and
where the Church of the State, instead of being a monu-
ment of religion, was an unjust and oppressaive institu-
tion.—(Hear.)
Mr. STAFFORD said be had already spoken in fa-
vour of the Bill, and be had since seen greater
reason for continuing his support, because he considered
the conduct of the Government was so calculat d to in-
flame the minds of the peeple in L eland, to set class
against class, and to give rise to deeds of blood, that the
Bill was absolutely necessary to suppress the disturbances
which he he f. ared were likely to take place. The
Governmeat had raised hopes of legislation on a ques-
tion which was convulsing, the whole of L eland only to
disappoint the people. Nothing whatever had tern done
to determine the relations b tween lan llord and tenant.
though great promises had bean held out to them in
the speech from the Throne. Y,t, to the present un•
..a,isfsetory state of those relations, most of the crimes
were to be a•tributed, and the Hon. Member for Roch-
dale had stated very truly that the proceedings of the
Commissioners under the Encumbered Estates Bill were
another great stimulus to the increase of evictions. He
thought no thanks were due to the Government for the
course of conduct pursued by the Government during the
whole session, for they had done nothing on those im-
portant questions with which the tranquillity and wel-
fare of Ireland was so deeply connected.
Mr. M'CULLAGII said be could do no more than
record the opinion which be had already ex:
pressed, that the Bill was unnecessary, and
he thought it would answer no good purpose,
at this advanced period of the session, to pro-
secute any further opposition, seeing that the Bill had
already passed its former stages by a majority. He
thought the course adopted by the Encumbered Estates
Commissioners, of declaring that estates put up to sale
should be cleared of all persons who did not hold leases,
amounted, in feet, to a declaration of war against life
and property of a most lamentable and dangerous
character.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the amendment.

Colonel DUNNE congratula:ted the House that there
had been no compromise upon this Bill. His main ob-
jection was to the proposed duration of the Bill. He
considered that the 13►11 itself was rendered necessary by
the neglect of the Government. They had passed through
the whole of the session, and nothing of consequence
had been done. He would not oppose the Bill, hi cause
he thought that the state of the country required it.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL complained of a Bill of this
importance being brought in at so late a period of the
session. He thought that the disposal of the public
business had now come to such a pass that there was an
absolute necessity for a complete change. Be bad never
known any session since the passing of the Re-
form Bill and the two sessions following it in
which a greater desire to transact public business
had been shown than on the present. With the excep-
tion of two occasions, no adjourned debate had taken
place on a Government night, nor had the House been
once counted out on a Government night.
The SPEAKER called the Hon. Baronet to order.
His arguments were not addressed to the question before
the House.

Sir B. HALL said he should take another opportu-
nity then of bringing this subject before the House.
With regard to the present Bill, he should oppose it by
every me aes in his power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
objection to the Hon. Baronet. bringing forward any
motion on the business of the session, but he was some-
what surprised that, after eulogizing the Heine for its
desire to get through public business, he should set an ex-
ample of wasting time by irrelavent arguments.
Mr. MOWAT V opposed the Bill. He contended
that no case for coercion had been made out by the Go-
vernment. It was absurd for the Government to look
at the crimes themselves without referring to the causes.
He did not think that such a people as the Irish would
have been driven to such outrages as they read of unless
under the conviction of oppressive wrong?. He consi-
dered this Bill a reproach to the Government, and that
they were passing their own self-condemnation.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE uas not sorry that the debate
had been so long protracted, inasmuch as it had
led to an universal acknowledgment that the
wrongs of the Irish people were patent to all, and
the Government, instead of coming forward to remedy
these evils, had been occupied with measures
to coerce them. With regard to the measure be bre
them he considered that it was unjust and unnecessary,
and was not required to tranquillise Ireland, because
she was as trenquil as they could expect her to be
under her present wrongs. He protested against the
Bill, and he held the Government responsible for the
consequences which might follow.

Mr. P. SCROPE wished to draw the moral of this
debate, and to point out the unfortunate position which
her Majesty's Government bad occupied during the last
two or three days. No one had said a word in their
fAvcur, and they had scarcely a word to say for them-
selves. He trusted that this would be a lesson for them
to endeavour to govern Ireland, for the future, on diffe-
rent principles.
After a tew words from Mr. GRACE the House di-
vided, when there appeared—
For going into Committee
Against it ... 34
Majority ... —4B
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
On clause 1.

Mr. MOORE moved an amendment that the duration
of the Bill should be limited to one year. He made the
appeal on behalf of the whole body of the Irish Liberal
Members, who were united in this request.
Mr. HUME rose to suggest to the Government the
policy of acceding to this amendment.
Mr. REYNOLDS said as the House bad negatived his
amendment by a majority of 82 to 34, he had no hope
of obtaining his object. He hoped the Government would
consider the proposition of the Hon. Member for Mayo,
for he did not think the Bill ought 144 be continued for a
longer period than was necessary. He was glad to find the
the names of several English Members, who represented
large and influential constituencies, were among the mi-
nority, particularly that of the lion. Member for the
Tower Hamlets, whom he thanked, on behalf of the
Irish people, for the good services which he bad ren-
dered to them. lie should vote for the amendment.

Mr. ROCHE said, as Ireland was admitted on all
hands to be free from agrarian outrages, the Bill might
reasonably be dropped at the end of another year, pro-
vided the present tranquillity prevailed, and should out-
rages and disturbances be renewed, then the Govern-
ment would have very good grounds for applying
for its renewal.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped, therefore,
the Government would concede to limiting the continu-
ance of the Bill to one year.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL thought those observations
were worthy of more attention than appeared to be given
to them by the Government. He thought they ought
not to continuo the measure a moment longer than
inevitable necessity required.
Sir G. GREY said it would be impossible for the
Government to ascertain with anyth:ng like mathema-
tical accuracy the necessity for the continuance of the
1311 in a less period than three years. In re-
ference to the other topics which had been in-
troduced into the discussion, he said there could
be no doubt that they must come under the considera-
tion of Parliament next session ; but it was a chimerical
idea, which he thought no man could encourage who
was acquainted with the real state of Ireland, that Par-
liament could, by a short Act, produce nothing but
harmony as regarded the relation between landlords
and tenants.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Such an
object could only be attained by the cu-opera-
tion of the parties themselves, and all Parliament could
do was to facilitate the making of arrangements between
tenants and their landlords. The proposed dura-
tion of the Bill had no reference to the existence
of the present Government, for if the Govern-
ment were to change to-morrow the Bill would
be quite as necessary, and the succeeding Government
would find that they ought to have such powers con-
ferred upon them by Parliament as a security against
disturbance=. Three years was the period to which
Bills of this nature were usually continued.
Mr. ANSTEY observed that the Habeas Corpus Sus-
pension Act for Ireland was limited to one year, and he
thought that might be taken as a good precedent on the
present occasion..
Mr. SCULLY regretted the determination her Ma-
jesty's Government had come to on this Bill. Ho was
of opinion that, in preference to discussing this Bill in a
hurried manner at the fag end of the session, it would
have been more desirable to discuss it fully and deli-
berately at the commencement of the next session.
In the interval before the opening of next ses-
sion the present state of quiet in Ireland
might be then in continuance, which would
be a state of things that would constitute an unanswer-
able argument against the continuance of the Crime and
Outrage Act. He would vote for the motion of the
Hon. Member for Mayo (Mr. Moore), believing that it
was in the highest degree important that such a Bill as
this should exist for as short a time as possible.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD, amidst cries of " Divide " said,
that whenever the Bill might be made to end, he pro-
tested against any renewal of it for any period what-
ever.—(Hear.) He called upon the Government to give
some explicit intimation whether or not they would early
in next session bring in some measure to settle the re-
lations of landlord and tenant in Ireland?
Mr. NIOURE reminded the Government that this was
an appeal made to them by the whole Liberal party in
Ireland.—(Hear, h.ar.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said this was a Bill for the
discouragement of murder—(Hear, hear)—and he could
not say whether the Liberal party in Ireland could have
any wish to continue that crime.—(Hear, hear.) He
considered the continuance of this Bill for a somewhat
longer period than one year was likely: to have a very.
beneficial effect in the discouragement of that hor•
tible crime. He admitted that it was desirable
that the period for the continuance of this
Bill should be very short. He thought what
was desirable for Iceland, as it was fur England
and Scotland when crime was there rather more pre-
valent than now, was that the House should induce
habits of order and obedience to the law, and having done
that they might then confidently rely on the ordinary
operation of the law for the prevention of ordinary crime.
But it' they made this Bill last for a very short time,
they would, immediately that power was taken away,
immediately that the force of repression which bad been
placed on that crime had been withdrawn, they would
get a revival of the crime; and, with a revival of the
crime, they would have a cry from Ireland for
extraordinary measures. His opinion was, that if
they wished this measure not to be very long

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in duration, it was far better that they should
corierit to,
a period of two years than to bare
ony renewal of this Bill in the INV. session of Perita7
muent.—(Hear. hear.) With respect to the question pa
by the Hon. ;limier for Rochdale (Mr. S. Crawford),
he might say it. was the intention of the Government tl
introduce a Bill on the subject of the relations be
ilndlord and I entail t in the next session of Parliament.
Mr. MO WATT called the attention of the llouee to
the wholesale evictions going on among the tenant class
in I; elan', and suggested tta,r. instead of bringivg ia
Ilills of this hind, the Government should in 1100
in9uiry into the cuts° of the crimes it WAS 11101311°
suppress.
The motion The Committee then divided, when there opPeared--.
For the motion . .. 34
Against it ... :•• ••
..: 73
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Government refused to adopt condilistorY f°,el,!iots)
Ile thought that the people of Ireland had no fibh, sob
quiet and orderly while they were oppfessud "'bold
measures. On the !bird reading of this 13ililber:tioa of
na, va a similar amendment to shorten the "
the Bill to one year. 6 the
Mr. ANSTEY intimated that he should not pres ~,
amen(men•s of which he had given notice.
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be presented to her Majesty, that site w"-orore-00,'"of
pleased to appoint a Royal Commission tf ;airs ;100ea
lonian ',lands, there, on the s ot, teelieetbeei fi,e•
causes of the disturbances that occur in by w'reetrj
halonia, and into the measures talc slot ; 0°!
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into the manner in • four
which fortr bou pa .t
sentenced to death and twenty-one ni „two jo •
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were flogged, and others banished fronlee Lad -00- e
out trial; and generally to institute 10 reeesifee,
causesh of discontent in these islands, a/ vpso:lllelstea
ft e best means of promoting their filter-AO l'''„ee'rei 0
Are. He said it was much to ,be rfg,„r;ds cie;ros,o-°t'
choly position in which the lonian 15,::oresee °F'
at the present time. Ilia object on tu"eifotuall;blV,
would be a very concise one. It Wee tf, -eiveeee'l P'eces
planationtluv nairtdy, t
toh teihape
hisr
eßightsepnotwgHoorvo
enorinother
p arGentleman
oceebeedilivive fhe,edoetisietirs:lll
had never yet been in the possession ° theporee vr;tlo
and therefore he had placed his motion 0° 1' oft
the lonian Isla.nds came under the swseileoder,"J
Crown, General Campbell promised the Oinn toi, OA-
Prince Regent should give a close attendecc'ete?lo
calculated to extend the commerce Of tuneal 1602100,
afford them freedom, security, and Peetlesaie e;teoe
These promises were repeated in +a
feW °IL erg itollllo
by the same General Campbell. Suchiro, Yore 'sod
ot the promises held out to these islatiee ~eoteeelf
of their having been realised, the tsll.o%eettoolo ero
constant state of antagonism to .tie " the
lid not progress in national prosperitY• a out iii°so.olo
remark that the hopes and promises heletardeillil
instance t) the islanders had been alto of 'f,oThil or,
and that neither freedom nor liberaVoele -I„,ce,
had been allotted to them. Had the rove reedlgrodt
able to. witness the mischief which he", been °cell,'"
the system by which that mischief bed hoe d 105,
he was satisfied a different result vioulieen dereol
rrild that we should not have had rebet.l- wig ir
life such as had recently taken 131,sces' 181,.-04)1
condition'Ll'
Lord
d Jlloohnnoo uturtuahbsesl ee
oltinnieamn referenceblesrl a
rihde,r,teoi I rit 73:0:bogioct 1
fbe~?b, itir
lions
lwi
heerrea
i promised,
tem ando
la. pa r tkiiceiPsvetale serg 0.0 tb°lol,e 001
p icy. •te
Lord was not better -,acquainted 01 obJ
to
those islands. He would know that tuerbe ptlitiontfe
islanders was then, and is now, to obtsi:ol,, colreooll
two or three impartial men, to insPeetei so 40,00°00
look into their grievances, and to !Deserver ripotel dbe
port thereon. He had not found an the
to bring this subject under the notice over "'tat. 00i,.
he could not allow the session to peeeh•, rOStijobeer,
charging his duty to the public 10 t'";aer "soisOt
Hon. Member here referred t theoutticlit er
committed on the 27th of August' PI/is co4o'ePtlete
base already been before the h Gofer
that any man representing the Blitl; hay, I' OOP. a
holding the liberties of a people se° 'ego obitea oe/
o,i
self in an unworthy situation. Pel°6l9bilg" 00301
Ward the coes, 00
positive information Sir
law, and he (Mr. Hume) trusted that 11; to do
_:o0,0010
next session some individual qualiflca_pd /17001 oe
bring the subject before the li°llle' of 1°11; •0 'lf
country the anomaly of any 13°."11 Brit° er0111101);
being placed out of the protection od tee ed 90 es
will of any one wan. Sir Ef• War t 000'4 oil 00
bus 0,000.0
ties were a body of assassins;
ing these assassins, he proclaiel proteolt'o cOmord;
deprived every inhabitant a t° parker ei berge°;
civil law, and sent for Adtnire' ra seioeit os
" e litol
the blockade of the island. Sir • ,se 000
1011 08
right to proclaim martial law, to Jo
;be is
,ovi
oce
itors e preege'Vervel
cs ha iop!o ina teen
oecied,earea.n
oy
oe roof°
the t oglreee:ti 0 tri p e 1/, itstle,
him was that,he had banished the
_ere of these
ownitehootutthteritgahrli,esa—antdtohoattrobtolished the liberty
1311J:i b° °1 Yet)l
meat was poluseihnttsreagoaainceur
L.seesobei.oer.
to take pl ice after these islands has urovisolooroo stefort
under British rule, and had beene,Pbe wee for th 0 deei
and o
fadvantaes. Sir 11. Ward tyreet via g 06
risk he ran being denounced tts.:, lor 136
he had taken, but he had no fro as;eoWeres,v,
be west tlioeiae:yerierlii,`,l
ith semi-barbarians,
when he (Me, Hume) was in ,tu'ence
il,O chit
character of the people for
and if they had 3o much degenera ot tO .over
, It was wise .ove'
On behal of British awe, • other e° eri
Id
l Ica
stveielneedrf,a
outcts doat
that Sir H. Ward would report Led 0b (01.40 f
into
li!nesarteos_
raa.)
p_litea_teed
much regretted that Sir I;r: tewalsooglit ie
gotten his old principles. el one e° ve_Gete.et
H. Ward an excellent rcformer! to!' ado eree.ep
make a good governor, and belleraieraje
Le hao rd illy d
out the principles which
ood f°re •• wi'e ' ce OPP
" f
i.ictehotmehmecraiessiseui.oro.%„,.ra
00,;0,
004,
oo_rpri
ztehaal in t ofauvsoe.ur Nofermelaignioboasdlib..spotil_ygitti.d I..teurierled:4lo,l
regret that he had to complat Le"ed• of 0e
Whale martial law wasp roelaiw,

'ecidA

~I

-~i

:i;

,1

urns
court -in irtial, a.rd
Sell'
t,• tad returns thst cf GS persons tried,
451
were
6 had
it appeared from the
ih
ird,to death, of a hich number 21 wer,ettse
,141133Dionrtt,e.,ne.es commuted, arid seven. remitted;
trered corpej
cr. tWo were
i4l p;
1,1 : .
~._ 'even were: imprisoned
the t ''",041-it• Anotecr return shcwedthat in 18-1 .
number of
I ce.ll4lL'er of persons flogged was 80 ,the
b)-• yarYing from 50 to 6. He would leave.these facts
wi.l)!'ilk for themselves, and would put it to th.e country
gees4lter. such proeeedings ou4at to be allo wed. a t.oontakee
without a single expression of disapprobation °
,41,13,trt of the Government If such violations of liberty
dithe
41., Permit Government at a dist auce, there would beh. littleet was to
aftl,in brinßing them nearer h,s,ine.
41,i,', to the peeple in the lonian Islanidisist,heejper:itecatili,‘,n_
thin' theY hail a right to expect, and if there was .
es
wasJ
thine objectionableta the terms of his motions L
to meet
14 Wish t) IlVidify it in such a manner a
~ Asa of the House.—(Hear, he i.
'ir' 81til'hT
1,,, „ -i., seconded the motion
ls)n ' "AV, LS did not regret that an opporhnity had
absent and
fti`tl afforded of i,fferinu• a defence for an
..5
were
).:. Friend, who, Ahem'the whole of the t
neewtni wunid not be considered deserving ef,fl('lhecen
tlh° which be had keen exposed. Ills Hon.. Friend
Ili, „c'e the object of a' tacit and !lbw.?
}o4ture and foreign to his disposition; and
his
lion.
f ,r acts
allttliei whotc)
Prit,,,i'ard him tveuld admit that the feelins of
-4 had !
violence and cruelty,
4(1 h. , a ways been oppos,?d to
th,s, ' Seould be able to show that he had not violated
etniPrlnciples of constitutional liberty by the advocacy
(11„,,tel 1e hod won his reputation
to speak
l'lth'il hear had
Ile (Mr. Hawes) should be sorry.
and
th Aifference of a proclametion of martial
in that
law,House.—
aw of
the tPtcleeedings consequent thereon. He
"Pnsibty which risted on any man Nivvaliso resourrtesde
hiel'ilehliP"wtrs, but he must protest against the co
the case now
1144_ 4CI been taken with reference to -
papers which
hal
IZonsicleration, and would rely en the FaPe
which
had to_'ll altogether suppressed in the discussions.the
lonian
11,4" e Pla'.ye. Sir 11. Ward arrived In
the island.
is tt 3 °TI the 3lst of May, 1849. He found
the finances in
",,ett°Zs'eitdierable state of exeitemenr;ebeasive scheme
irl'"fortit
w`t,,,r9, end a largo and comprehensive
I) his predecessorove
"luPlet .“1" 11
1 ad been prepare
1,4143 ii e, and his first act was to endeavour,etorerefemrma.
„,14 th 11,h4neial difficulties and complete
The e 'nth of August' the insurrectitohn°'barsokethoeurte.
kn ousations for consideration
attq,titreetion? was it dangerous? d'id'erit—rwec
iitr;
and
s s PaWer of the Government to suppress of
which
as goy 1.1. Ward commit any one single act
sl4l;ernor of that Colony he ought to be ashamed ?
tate'nll* Rettlber in referring to the dispatches left
and
qtilte believe that a murder had been committed,e.But
hy ti,st 44doubtedly there had been an outrage..
~.
ktei, 4:4 not the Hen. Gentleman refer to the,entiont
had
t0i413 which Sir H. Ward said the
0e het bi:'..e,rl the hi the district.
had been corn
tt'il l'ii,",",„` the Most horrible atrocities
he houses of
in which it coin-
i!or -‘,"i4e peasantry, who had burnt t
'5 ref '''te Proprietors, cut off the heads of
try?ised to ji th a d driven back the c,°
in and
,tteitp,thia 6tttemenetw;honwed the general alar
Hon.
tawsetambuen-
''ttti,:elat Which was spreading. The Fight
.. -onion
q -.lea i the alto,,
omitted referring to that,
.eFg
,e.
hkt,l(iPtiaPei.rs which gave an accurate and alardmlia thesea
rtkip,,,i
tkOf this state of things; it was state
attack on
'i,4 co .t"ttit, the mate
broke out by all
burnt.
t''4l,ll,4,lllary on the 27th and 28th of August, and
-e),,lhe of a house in which some persons were burnt,
of
NttE'lloe-s4the 28th and 31st of August, the houses
of the
It herkrPropietors were burnt, an
hkt,l'tar, °Nus kind were committed, adndmuarltho_ueguhr
dtihs..o
tietually committed were confined to /
of ter"
:'t the
Were made to extend the systen.3
'4l er)°,,,ugheut the country, So general was thteafarm
Itreekuatsien. and so imminent the danger, that within
li. vere-
-I,hai4t )114111
sitlatid Would have been a desert if the
,0,,11,1tterp,,,",,n,vv,ct%1. the slighest symptom
the Archbishop o
thitqalot,r'a:',,,,as corroborated by of hesitation.ef
s not responsibleh forn
hilt state
(4, 61' Ward
I wa
Government had feec_
fll,ll3telene‘,ll..c,t to thinly
jugsst.i fy it. Tis A. t the time the ins ura
re-
s considering thcese
le; whiel'ill'aitlabe,, governor
m d'Aato the lonians.—(Hear,rs of
Ill'illiull4t, Whaievvntit3srethelsaedmission of the
lil',tted triireetion? One of them admitted that he de-
d that
it had i,ePuilishMent he was about to receive,
14;401)407114n active part in inciting population to
t• 4 of t 'llee; and another said it was not tbhaetGhoisveerwnn-
4artri, ngland which had destroyed him,
had long
kkti;arn", The t h s that these men
cite-
17ivrii l-h-icalitittilhee peepriut was .
hear.)
)
control.—(Hear, e .f
liii,s en(ler
~3, could no longer cot.
at
e, and raised a degree of ehx
lonKill,t riar,.'"ese circumstances h
And who
t% 1144
~ 'int law was proclaim( d.
who had
on the 3woatsh
re-
alo'is,d ,ur that state of thins but those
(4.le4:PhthaZi°4lltrags(lear‘,hear.) Did the peopleused
Sir H. Ward had 5
or
itt • 8041,4 eOnsicier that his ower
_.onl
it, :hey V, or that he had exceeacuFar fr
l't, Ivey
11,0 ;.? not called for on occasion?the.
the Senate.
5 4U, o'll first refer to the opinion of .
4'll Itir,s wil'iL:kha,iddeclared that the concurred la the mea-
tha,i,' 1.1. ll• Ward had taken,
cs --roi f •the insurrection.
4i4, liddress er having pat down
to
presented .
and that he
Isht', sigti„ had likewise been
principal inhabl,
1)u); °I th-" islandh 500 of the merited
he had
the Zti, , approving of the
.c.ourse
N l'lNtii:l'ke the Legislative Assembly
abnlyd
Oar, '')n le" commissioner its support
of ex-
c,e;',u Nit "nber for Montrose had alluded to the em-
hit'Sdthganikesn.
serge seso°l,.the blockade of the island as measures
which
v,...s keit iiii',Y; But in his opinion
at once
bye- Wilt aticiT' put down the
tht,
insurrectionevery means
parties tried
:11154 ':,ufret'itlai ttllll44lwfteree'dl,ltoor,'-iendie6d,f thatthe ordinary P statedr°t c-
k It
lII' 21' ‘4.irl'i• Sir If: Ward,
the
taillnlati,)Pri'nr'prl4 Wei between August -
in his dispaot6ch,
and
d all had a
ere trial -"` the g in October, had
eight
ell , safi that , nanesty
as
man as .
!111 i ''lt4e, l4 some of the trials
that
Illa'lilstke ha'cl''l,'wel'e examined. persuadedlie•wasand that Sir
flolr.
‘lff•iltetstqstl tha"tce4 clone these parties, and
were
punished for
ti'Ll'tll.4lll:ll,llnieh had theeysbe 210 n persons
by the civil
capital
tr lahtecn-,3lll,li;cled th been
to
'to nh ,••• lie th ein II on Member.
of the
04troInt iti f,,, ought the
o 'ted both sides,. I .
be sentenehr,
iltd 11.• `'l'hesa to hare stated
Sir I.
fir Mon-
f,ttz `lid thetcit ieserrection was put down, but
about the re
kr 1' Pecai relax in his eff,rts to bring
Member
ble
li
kgunt, iusiY intended. The
which the
'lsr;"4l4erdise had referred to the
Honourable
dispatch
h 9
to the Go-
Itidi:"),r pf tkl4b.w I:irst Minister wrote
heil:l ta ti4"rte!ctean Islands, and to inthleB3reforms a1)4,,
)4,, e4tried . lilt Now, every one of
the last few
ki,l',arld , luta practical operation Boring
Pct to the
these reforms had
h,,,ttl fcisir,elt praise was due in this rie.sp
41"t1111klent k, 7.0000) Who preceded Siri
Hon. Member for
4tt'lte haer thee islands. The
eople had not
Ward in the
111(;04ived the me that the lonian p
Now up to
lhe lisle
~.,0 Measures of reform promised them when
lisp ~.,0
the rule of Great Britain.
l'i vleq t ttlottent larger measures of reformtohaedxpbeecetn.
"he ° theca 1
(4141
414
I I ban they had any right
11%4144 l'c to know in what state the people
.Ih,, Ills would have been had they been placed
of the
titilltl;Protection of any power than Great Britain.,,_m
tl.ll4‘,lii'Zsti,,it,a7tniltYi nth of
p'3 w ervvhich would have given them
rich
i istt
~(ii ges, or have opeced t ) them as
il It•sp'isr ear.) Ile w-es Tait() sure that
ktho Oh, lontrose did not in his visit to
and
ail
tO 41' any one tall of electoral reforms• his
the islands it0,41'1441),, h.t:l:it's the civil txpenditure. It would, in .
work out the re
:slior4to
.e to allow them tow
i_ angry
itetha' iii " t° them, without stirring ' P
lick
~, cannextion with recent transactions.nswhich
4%lliNt iti-41114 show the exaggerations
h as th
kiti4,1411415
,L'IW in on this uestion so muc _ 0
come
Ace 'A ill ,7•14111 against the gallant officer wh
rsons.
, tilt ')N4I 183 icano „
o having
. 1i ; \i'\rii,i,t,th,:rtwaatsheririettiirni made, and
Ineliv.aers contradicted
, Sir
libel on
!,11:44,rikuit? ,llYethaYt 74.---h (itlealrle'd tilt() inhabitants se..me 1:
4: `4 h,; .4 he had usetid these words, not with rceet
irn
t'ke4Praoh,Pe„°ll,_te general but nl With
th, top-- ,10 had beeng' guilt oozy the atrocious j.
tlllNPli'vc'lltcl. No a -11 regretted more than he did
referen
oa..
visiq tleittf uf proel 'La. n re-rmartial law • but ho main-
4, Qtse
`and it I,,a_
~ alnimg
144 I,4tis tuoie bad men who had resorted tdo
tNbeittretei,si
ngur)ilty of bleodslited
ilaannadene,.otrthe Lord
t martial
(111,' ttitt Itlsl.,ll:l4Qed. 7ffeea7)re The conduct andrmoveead
tritrjl'ql'LY. hy (1,1,11i3h Commissioner had been P
fell '''
4`l'littr,, e enate, by the princlpal
Learned
1), 'Y ii„the
lane%ssembly, but he believed the
was
-"tans 'liiil 1. haddeclared that Sir H. Ward only
inhaapbitants,
kr Of D,,.
.14
as the
the ~; 134/;N, Eraelaiming martial. law,
For •untler,`.,tq"c)Wil the rebellion.—(Hear.)
in
1,, ~it tvai :"et4t..42 not surprised at the way
case,
(;'''', Tor,,Xaetip4t?' for the Colonies had met
had defended
l 4,,15t ritilllgleti ,41,,"1 Way in which
the 4nts f' lien. "Nacta inquiry the case,
''il'ei NI °le could not comprehend.
was chaelledftohre
use
of
steel'ellituzellite 4, if one of its chief duties
Under-
th,r4 te;',lol. th„,,,tiaestions of this nature.
facts which
ew_as not
ti;11Iv refere` to 14;ulonies had given them no _
inquiry,
411
e°,4,11c1 in the blue book, and
_.
1:., 1:
,‘,r tla .0 f eii-t4hued, for. The dispatches that Its dkrs. (.4 ititid that they
Igk,rluprNitecliilri.
fear Showed Showed that tchesbeorfeaSdirtwue
°1th,4,4 th°,), 4:4(-ar, and another part
ly
ex.
gross
bock tree,,:rtvhnie Showed that mighth e waseo contradicted
tbr laudni cdtecrd-
ishheed hadthe First Lord
tc'•ef)SerePleltliti:4l.33Pret4itugtll' .tc; theile fir. first letter in the blue
till
tree
i ,IN vett at the Colonial:office on the 10th
ter lltersiii was not answered till the 6th of Oe-
lel,..ellry t, °f 26 days, during which the Colo-
he se
~,,;11.ceritti_eived from Sir H. Ward five
island,
1,,,°4 digit thm
liultl alarming accounts of the IN tliii,tik.!elies ?,,r,lotice was taken
October. It
letter and
It might
ew,cotio,itte hip' th. 6th of
SirH.
Ward
itit,,g'en, V'ed too'reaation sent b. y
tli 4ts that* Sir meagre to require an expression
had
I,' kto,, ("el .1.• Ward of stated that he
1,) .4(13 '- oruai s,
ht,4,Q('lsltit. Fhti which ,retary all tho. inf9rmatioriasLo
lotiti) 11-Itloe ~,,cr_ll..o.lad.felt justified.
linl
wsuspending(Ht.ar,
41•1 ?UM ,"11F,,ht trreutattill.ng of manta
1t4,11114 th pee tn
(1 Colo ling Secretary. ought to have
lc cte tVero '3lr fr• ard, cautioning
locs, tselliti„Ts warranted tit
steps he had taken,
hi 1;11144 -'' "1% not t :"
tiq.(l.,e t, ‘'.',g 4ee_ r ? the
martial
,hlm to be
ent', te ti',",sc dispatehra 3. fie could not sa3
_thataa.ney..-
‘4,/eak ",' Nit,
he
proved Sir Henry Ward wa '
tioi4tlloll44°°at ein,ltn? hail adopted. He heard of the
~ t gee 4 the 0 . o cluck in the morning, and, having
1/4,tilt4ltrptirootilat?theddieneltaSrc;in,i7tel,aiwn threeit hours from that
_, ht having' the
itti;.t)te,,,,,111041 eiatttili%al
iouthrealt.--(tfear, hear.) Having
'4etseer thioN4 0(1,
uf 'l'.V, he continued it for six weelts,
), Patlalaw,ls disnatches, written three days
te 11. s .°l' the iil '',..11 of Martial law, it appeared the
th:4114 14 which r`aer coutinuance of it had ceased.
ht, aukh44tztritltditllloaartial,..law had been proclaimed. Was
11.1;5411 slit
,the distr3:- atartial law WaS rolatnahed
lartvlirriela!„°llt no Ze,teriein which insurrection a
named; and it wag
lis 0140 ,7411 far all ,h‘ ts were • la-
th4t" tfit in tnly ,?,zte tend,,,' districts to which theN 0 .
CIA tacit() I,llrrectioe lat',' --Wear, and a laugh.) w
• ths lase ,•?,0 - "'• was not stated in the despatches
A th, 40
ft, et' 400 persons were engaged in it,
,42abeilled only with knives. His lion.
, r for ~
iumattQae had not complained