The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-05 00:00:00

PIIACTICE OF THE HOUSE.

In answer to a question from Mr. FORBES Mao
KENZIE, _ _

Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman would
find that it had been usual for the Members of the Go-
vernment, at the beginning of the session, to bring for-
ward motions of which they had given notice on Tue E-
. and Thursdays. Ile, for himself, should certainly
endeavour to avoid as much as possible the Tuesdays and
Thursdays for Government noticeP.—(ll( ar, hear.)
SAVINGS' BANKS.

Mr. H. HERBERT raid the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had two Lotices on the paper for to .morrow re-
specting savings' banks, and he (Mr. H. Herbert)
begged to ask the First Lord of the Treasury, in the
absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if it was
the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to refer the
Bill relating to savings banks, of which he had given
notice, to the Select Committee on Savings Banks?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought it would be incon-
venient to answer that question.
Mr. H. HERBERT asked the Noble Lord if it was
the intention of the Governrcent to compensate the
Rochdale Savings Banks depositors the loss they had
sustained ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL declined to answer that inter-
rogatory.
BORNEO. _ _ _

Mr. HUME asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether the Noble Lord would lay upon the table of the
House the reports furnished by the commanding officers,
whether of her Majesty's or the East India Company's
navy, engaged in operations for the alleged suppression
of piracy, against the natives of Borneo, on the rivers
Moratatias, Surebas, Sakaran. and other places, during
1849, together with the correspondence between. Sir James
Brooke and her Majesty's Government on the same subject.
When he had previously put this question, or had rather
intimated his desire to do so, he had been informed that it
was possible that the correspondence might be toady by
the 31st of March. Were they then willing to give that
information?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Government
were quite ready to give all the information which they
possessed.
Mr. HUME would also ask whether there would he
any objection to the production of copies of the corre-
spondence between Mr. More O'Ferralf, the Governor of
Malts, and her Majesty's Government in England, re-
specting the refusal of the Governor to grant an asylum
in that island to the Italian refugees in the year 1849?
Lord J. RUSSELL had not the slightest objection to
produce the correspondence as soon as it was received.
Mr. HUME further wished to inquire if there would
he any objection to the production of the correspondence
between the Lord High Commissioner &f the lonian
Islands and her Majesty's Government respecting the
at ite of Cephalonia, the proclamation of martial law,
and the punishments inflicted under that law?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the fullest informa-
tion which came to hand should be laid on the table of
the liouse.—(Hear, hear.)
THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. EWART wished to inquire of the Hon. Member
for Lancaster (Mr. Greene) how soon it was likely that
the new House of Commons would be may for the re-
ception of Members?
Mr. GREENE said eat it would he impossible to say
when the House would be finished, but he might ay
the chamber in which the House would sit would 6be
finished this session, but that without the refreshment-
rooms and other offices impossible it would be
it. From a communication from Mr.
Barry
•
tie might say that that gentleman had stated, thatowtl fer, a
vote wet e taken shortly, that the whole of thosel
offices
and the House itself would be ready for occupation at
the beginning of next session.
IRISH POOR-LAW.
Mr. P. SCROPE wished to asked the Secretary fur
Ireland whether he had any objection to lay before tie
douse papers relating to the working of the poor-law in
Ireland, and whether the Hun. Gt.ntletnan could give
any information to the House re alive to the union of
lirfrush, whether the poor-!aw was in a state of sus-
pension in that district?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that a quantity of statis-
tical -information was iu a state of prepata ion, a'id
would shortly be laid on the table of the House.

THE GREEK WAR.
Mr. M. GIBSON wished to ask whether the Foreign
Secretary could give aiy information to the House
respecting the late transgction in Greece?
Lord kALKERST(IN skid that as the communica-

tions made to the Greek Government with respect to
compensation to be given to certain British
and lonian subjects had had no effect, Sir
W. Parker had been ordered to put himself into com-
munication with Mr. Wyse at Athens. The last ac-
counts stated that Mr. Wyse had gone on bard Sir W.
Parker's flag-ship, in order to be in a position better to
enforce his demands.—(Laughter.) There the account
Jet off.

RAILWAY AUDIT.

In reply to a question from Mr. SANDFORD,
Mr. LABOUCHERE stated. that at the end of last
session, when the Government had expressed its inten-
tion of bringing in a Rallis ay Audit Bill, the body of
railway directors had expressed a wish to have it left
to them. All the world knew they had framed a
Bill which a few days ago they had relinquished.
He was given to understand that an important and info-
ential body a shareholders intended to bring an Audit
Bill before the House. He would repeat what he had
stated last session, that be sincerely desired the ques-
tion would be taken up by railway proprietors
themselves, for it would bo much better for such a mea-
sure to emanate from them than from the Government ;
theref ;re, he would wait to see what the nature of the
promised measure vas before ho made any definite
statement to the House on tLe subject.—(Hear,
hear.) But he would say thie, that whatever measure
was proposed, it was due to the House and the public
that it should be brought in without any delay.

INVESTMENTS OF BRITISH WORKMEN IN
FRENCH BANKS.

Mr. SANDFORD wished to know whether the Go-
vernment had received any information respecting the
return of the savings of English working men, who
had been expelled from France, and who had put their
money in the French savings' banks.
Lord PALMERSTON replied that a great deal of
communication bad passed between the two Govern-
ments on the subject. Perhaps it was known that de-
positors in these banks could not by the la v of France
withdraw all their deposits without a abort notice.
The Government in consideration of the part'es being
working men, however, waived this, and consented to
the withdrawal of the deposits on proof of the amount
invested. Certain sums had bean remitted to this coun-
try through the ambassador, but to what extent they
weet ho was not prepared to say.:
COMMITTEE OF SELECTION.

The Committee of Selection fur the present ression
was named and appointed.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

Mr. C. VILLIERS brought up the report en the
Address, which war read a tint time.
On the question that it be read a Second time,

Mr. DISRAELI observed that the answer just given
by the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign De-
partment to the Honourable Member for Manches-
ter reminded him of the assurance given to the
House in the Speech from the Throne—nair ely, that her
Majesty continued at peace and amity_ with all foreign,
powers, was at least premature.—(Hear.) It appeared
to him at the time, that the language which contained
that assurance, ought not, under any circuuistances,
to have escaped the notice of the .House of Commons,
because this was tee second year in which a very signi-
ficant alteration had taken place in the terms in which
the Sovereign had communicated to the repreeen-
tithes of the people the relations which subsisted
te..woen her and foreign powers. Formerly it was
the practice far her Majesty in her Speech to as-
sure the Heine that she continued to receive from all
foreign powers assurances of a friendly disposition, but
last ye ar there was a singular omission in the Speech of
this paragraph, and the House was not assured that her
Majesty received such assurances from abroad. This
year the language was still more meagre and suspicious
than even- last year, because the Speech informed
the House of Commons that her Majesty continued at
peace and amity with foreign powers ; that was to
say, that her Majesty was not at war ; and although,
to a certain extent, that was a satisfactory
announcement, it was an announcement that would as-
sure the commercial classes of this country that there
was no prospect of a continuance c f those blockades,
fir which the present Government had been so remark-
able.—(Hear.) He should have taken that opportunity of
calling attention to this part of the Speech on Friday,
had it not obstructed their coming to a division that
night ; but he would now supply that deficiency, and
would take leave to refer to an occurrence
which hid occasioned considerable sensation
in this country, as well as to other matters
of foreign affairs. Perhaps the Noble Lord could tell
them whether, if her Majesty continues at peace and
amity with all foreign powers, her Majesty's represen-
tative had been received at the Court of Madrid; and
whether the Court of Vienna had sent an Ambassador
to the Court of St. James's?—(hear, hear.)
There were some paragraphs in din Speech of a ver.e
ambiguous character. They were ieihrinei in the
course of the autumn differences had arisen between the
Turkish and the Imperial Governments. That ap-
peared to him to be a complete statement. Explana-
tions had taken place between the Turkish and Imperial
Governments, which fortunately renewed that danger.
The statement was complete, and the danger was passed.
But would, the Noble Lord explain how it was that the
mediation of England and France was asked,- in order to
effect that which was already completed? The only way
by which he could account for that obscurity in the Speech
was that the three first paragraphs had been accidentally
transpoSed by the printer.—(Laughter:) There was
also another point. Tho Chancellor of. the Exchequer
the other night congratulated the House upon the
vival of commerce, which had been occasioned by the
termination of tLe blockade in the north of Europe. The
House would recollect the circumstances which led to
that blockade, and that he (Mr. Disraeli) had two years
ago ca!led the attention of the House to circumstances
from which he anticipated that blockade. The Noble
Lord on that occasion gave the House those sanguine and
satisfactory- assurances in which he dealt so liberally,
that no inconvenience would result from such a blockade,
even if it did occur, of which there_ was no probability.
Nevertheless, in duo time the blockade did take place in
the Baltic, which vas extremely vexatious to our com-
merce. . Now he (Mr. Disraeli) should like to know
whether the Danish question was- even now seitled.
There was cue remark which he could not help making,
and ho.trusted that the Noble Lord would not hesitate
to eater into a fiw details for the satisfaction of
himself and the Howe. The -House had heard
with considerable pleasure that most •of these
arrangements had been made. But he should recollect
that the present Government had particularly earned four
itself the credit of being a Free-trade Government—
(Hear, hear)—and yet it was remarkable that this very
Free-trade Government had instituted more blockades
than any other -Government whatever.—(Cheers and
counter cheers.) They had heard that very day only
of another blockade having been established, and he did
trust that the Noble Lord would, -without waiting for
the official papers, which were frequently so long in
making their appearance, favour the House with some
detti's respecting this most unhappy misunderitindings
—(Hear, hear.) - Ile-trusted, also, that the Noble Lord
would favour them with some statement showing
that the best dispositions still existed between this
country and Denmark and Austria.—(Hear, hear.) He
also trusted that the Noble Lord would give some
explanation of _ the obscure passages which oc-
curred in her Majesty Speech, but especially
he asked respecting Greece, because he understood that
some semi-official account had been published to-day
with which it was necessary that the House should be-
come acquainted.—(Hear, hear.) Ho understood that
the cause of the quarrel was the deprivation of a British
subject of some land. Undoubtedly the deprivation of a
British subject was, under ordinary circumstances,
a sufficient cause of war; but there had Leen so
little sympathy for the possessors of land by the
Legislature, or even in her Majesty's Speech, that he
did not think that to be a sufficient cause of war—
(Derisive laughter)—but he was glad to see that at
least one member of the Government had sufficiently
adopted the territorial spirit to take such a matter in
hand.— (Hear, Lear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said that before the Noble Lord an-
swerei the question he begged to observe that the real
cause cf- quarrel - arose out of the desire of the British
Government to obtain possession of an island
which was unjustly detained from this country.
and
dw parcelthe Governmentsof the g
ua
r a
not
ef
oF
or atilt
hc ee
ianntde g Rtituys af wt
heer et
epart
ttoorryy owfaGs roeneecein, arinhdioahneihqeuseest
onvetronumtgs
hGardecaiarnigthert rtio-
interfere. Now. he wished to know whether the
Noble Lord had considered the risk of a
hostile intervention by these Governments if
Greece refused to satisfy these demands, or whether
he had an understanding with these Governments be-
fore he bad gone thus far. But passive from this ques
tion and going to Spain, the best news that he could hear
would be that no understanding had been come to with
that Court; for their country had got on so well, when
it had 'no representative at the Court of Spain, and
so ill when it had one, that n ally he should be very sorry
to hear that the Court of Spain had sent an ambassador
to St. James's, or St. James's had sent one to Spain.
From this particular instance be thought they
might draw a very general theory that the
sooner they curtailed their expensive diplomatic
relations the better it would be for the country.—(Hear,
hear.) He hoped that the Hon. Gentlemen opposite,
who had proclaimed themselves as about to be the strict-
est economists, would lend them their assistance in effect-
ing this object.
Mr. ANSTEY said they were now called upon to
re-echo the paragraph in tho Royal Speech, in
which her Majesty congratulated them upon the
successful termination of the negotiations made for
the settlement of Vie dispute between the Porte and
Russia. He congratulated the Ministers upon the
noble position which they took in the solution of those
difficulties ; but he thought if their interference had
been better timed, they would have keen more
efficacious. There was, however, one quesCon which
intimately concerned a passage in the Speech, and to
which no reference had been made. He meant the
settlement of the affairs of the priueipality of Moldavia
and Watlachir. They acted as mediator between the
Porte and Russia last year, and conditions were at length
agreed to, that the Russian troops were t r be limited to
10,000. Now it was asserted, and he hereved corremly, not
only that not a single Russian soldier had been withdrawn,
but that the number Lai keen meter:ally increased, ard
the Turkish Government had consequently not ceased to
arm its people on that frontier, in anticipation (aink.u! t
tug almost to acertainiy) that us soon as the Balkan pass
was op in, the diffe:euces which had arisen with respect
to the protection afferded to the Hungai ien
refugees, would become the pretext for an
uggressz ve war upon the part of Russia.
Tho question he wished to ask was whether Ministers
were in possession ef such stitisfai tery iaf irmation en
the subject of the occupation of the principalities of the
Danube as to justify them in cel:ing upon the House to
congratulate her Majesty at being at peace and amity
with all foreign relations, and whether, in O. a event
f any new tie sty being entered into with Russia in
iu manatAining any correspondence with Russia 011

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subject of existing treaties, Government would take care
to exact securif es fer their due performance. . „„
Lord PALMERSTON, in his reply to the questl9-;
which had been put to him, would take the one relative
to Greece first. In the first place, he would etete
0'
the,
grievances which had given rise to the interference,
the
for which redress had been fruitlessly asked of
eata-
Greek Government. A Mr. Finley had long been Lad
bliel" in Greetr. Some of this gentleman's lands it f
been forcably tttleen possession of, for the purpenes__o,,
forming part 'of the palace of King Otbo,
...,.nlau.,
supported by the British Minister, Mr.
'Ult.*
ley had repeatedly made representations to !,'
to
ehai n Governmentpay
rnefenGt Greece e
the w ith
landsth e viwhichew
from him, but up to the present time paYnlenL.ea
never been made. The other case teas that of a re- _s
named Pacifico, a Portuguese Jew, edit" hntise 'zi
rveiovloelztlyhybaroik)oednyinotot. isnolmditedrsd.ay, during tea period et;
the service of the King, and for which act of
Were other.
no redress had ever been afforded. There
instances of a similar nature, where British Lu.
ofh aedn dheearnv otuarivet:gcl
dceta residing in the lonian hadlslandso:in
erei on diffe:ent occasions, without n','`et
quently obtaining any redrmaess:; *tiro 0011
grievance related to the possession of -- the
islands which were named in the treaty establishing _
szicingcom ( f Greece, and which had ever since establish
reign of Gie,ce himself, as part of the lowan Staers.
Lions
e was not enabled to state that those diplornetinj4,
ions had been withdrawn; communications, riot °lntel,
had taken place, but he did not feel called upon to s!:n_
theirm purport. With regard to our relati. tje
Government
Attalla, the feelings between
and Austria were of the most
nature; and the Bridal Government hadith gh
tinned an officer to the Cote t of Vienna, accu 0'
no corresponding officer from Austria had heent life
tiuued in this c k 11 the
ountry. It was well noe hot
ferencea of opinion had existed during the
..„.
of thiS noun'
two years between the Government
try and the Government of Austria 11130 n el of
tons of great interest, but those diffeeener the
her Mfarjjecevil.y.:
opinion. bed not led to any interruption olitrie.
friendly relations between this country and 253 bad
eWerittandyespneectertohetldho
out
tananishy blockade, Pe shat
such hope 5, days,
the blockade would he withdrawn in a fey? iti;
though he had referred to preliminary arranon-no.
being ttacle for its removal more than one
to
Her Majesty's Government bad done all in its pout
put .an end to their blockade as soon as possible, hui's re.
was a question of such great magnitude, not onlY 2 es
garded the interests involved in it, but niotitessis,
l 0 whom
beet
hPewn°ole:preal:ll
regardedG the powers who had interfered in it.; bid'."- all
ermany and Sweder, as well as Englauu, rsonle
interfered, feeling it to be a matter in whieb, ?Wee a
ex'oet, their interests were bound U. 4nd it Was
question, also, to the settlement of which more —0), he
ofk unanimity were required to be brought than any
bad
_ new. lie could not say that much progret the
been made to the final settlement 0 the
question.—(llear, hear.) Prussia bad btn,ate the
primary negotiator, not ai Prussia, but "i-te oe-
Legotiator for the whole of Germany, and it vii; 0 i°
eersary that the power which had been F;',,eoess
Prussia should be again ratified at the ‘',,nsesil
at Frankfort. That had been done, and ""ee st
gßwleiairdiiii
Berlin
o; a
and
daerhs
desire
eh that
thought
o
ebeen
fei
eat
stet:rile
ti;
ete,
meet. There were two difficulties
one relating to the successsion to the Dirainiishnecre'lls"tia°llll:af
the other as to van t should be the constitattleth
these questions would be satisfactorily
Prussian Schleswig ; but he hoped that Tee
'use should also remember that the Beer bit
vernment were only mediators, and bad nOPnwetresliotittell
eavneyrthtiongintliekrefearentfhiorrtilitye._set(tuleemaer.n)t of ile_d_isP:
op..
Now,with roe ;r0
the notice of the relations between the Turkise,neeeby
Ind the Imperial Government, in her MejestY's ' eat
the second paragraph had stated that eeeripleet
to induce
had been made by her Majesty's G°verveyerS,
friendly relations between those Pd 1.20
and the third had stated that these exertions hadrspha
successful., It was impossible to place these Parag,„ two
pTaurrakgerya.p settled. Gre.
side by aide, nor was it possible to insert much '-iiitl
lish.o With respect to the disrs erds
evinced by the Russian Government t/1 ts,
dgoie°
had himself received acknowle g yet
whichh he believed to be perfectly. cordial, gasses t`r,
wards the
hostility was entertained by -Lo.„;:rtiet
s the Turkish empire. The Hon. and antsy,)'-
Member at the bottom of the House (gr• 2,es
had truly stated that the number of Russian 0.--ar
1 sto
ve
the principalities, though being stipula ed 's tn
to be 10,000, had not been reduce,. .0,
I be .._A
that rum`). r, hut it would short.Y ; taloa.
and he felt assured that no attack ei al 'll'
rota
tGbhyeee thetulon nu' als
eun s 3 ibadthatan tsrnneroomo siesffeudopr. otn
CwTeourutrlakdienytiy,e
has as a trebeoadut 1 a 1
assetsivl
f 0 1? iet,.
the relations with Denmark into an amicable ph to be
It ought, in his opinion, to he the feeling of het I)‘
n
tw
eenD
the best2.nmak
termsrand G
with
eremacahny other.ongh ought,
Tinh eh
ireeloaptiioloso, to
be
Sira (R)peinsaus,trhlesda.
wished to know whHeethear:sioa thevisponti;:erri.t
of Gm .e
the arms of this country had acted
withthnt Franceue: and Russia. The Noble Lord hadianc:eledsll
paelo,
,z,oani. a IberiNitiisshhedsuba
subject
?to know whetlicerod I°
aktnoGwrwe,hcect,benroMsr.irE.Finley was a British subject?. edet
wasing atth.aehgteieetehat
they ' was the Artilsgt 3
misunderstandingeLyon took place, Loral
the new Ambassadsohr(lhuaidd been
or
rLaorndy
otherPAlL oEounntreyr,essaoroy,
after
to ask the consent' iheaeenvneo
ra
sop
uc p
bc
jo
,uvei
ran
erstt
ee
dd
w.si otces:oo...
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M 'iSTON said that it ha"„stiel
been considered '
citLeLAtithlapnkhlionebrie either of Russia or •vrii the
yplraeelaetedinto
GErnegel(ilseh, suthbje. et.:).oouArraectieve :wha;
had
staUkbjeenet% and Mr.
of this country in Greece. -A`s Thiali
during the time Sir E. 110. n ifr.
Pa lifico d Mr. Finley, they were 1)0113 j3ll
._

Mr
.PACKE th.nßrOo
sTeEt Co Ta Id? ;leer; s
tin
the noose', f,oe
the_ noise occasioned by Members leaving elle-00 fug
Palmerston's speech, he was very indistinctly hrle bads
some time, well° he was alluding to Alr'fftio° Ge„/les
speeches at Leeds and Aylesbury. All the `--111:e
tlenian're (Mr. Cohden'e) experience of agricultu 0,110.111
derived from his recent acquisition of a I°ll33,;ccoPi".
consistedb of two plots, one of 21 sae', obor
y a miller, the otl.er of 32 acres, occupied hYbeietetteee
keeper, neither of whom was dependent for ill tot':
upon fuming. Now he (Mr. Packe) al !hie eille,r
farmer, would give the House the results non
rience on a farm of 100 acres, which he, of 2,"
Loughborough. It was divided into five portier-b; rs°:
acres each, under the four-course system, rieetrivil
which, notwithEtanding the Hon. Gentlenidtpoo e
he (Mr. Packe) regarded as the first Acne wwhs'44e. r
to be known in questions r f that neture--06$ 92e. 1.°„51
acre, and the foe burdens amounted to rte. Witt
making a total of 312/. 103 as the primal ebs (De /7/-4
here he must leave it to th'e House to deterte is
that the of
what degree f • ' • • justice it was expected barges
should not only feed the poor, but bear the ehepeoriii ,
drainage and
of making the air wholesome fur to bongo
The Sanitary Commissioners had sent a letter 00 nee
borough directing that it should be drained, 0;401
could be more desirous than himself of doing e„eele, °be
that cou'd be,required for the health of the ror:bOt
to avert the return of the pestilence of last Ye,, $
could not see why the expense of doing so we 1d boli_
elusively on the land. In the present meta. tube too;
ever, as his farm was in the neighbourhood wr pure tuba
he would have to pay 6s. 6d. an acre for °sr° gi/000,
The Honourable Member then proceeded prow.
House a detailed analysis of the expense° sodo,a sit be
under a system of protection contrasted 01 wbie'y
of free-trade, of the farm in question, fgbirel total sei
derived the following general results feeding OP
penditure, under the protective duties, in f leholree
rearing stock, manuring the land, wages oirrder.ages
Sze., he estimated at 1,154/. 18e. 20. of to
trade, with a reduction of rent of 28 par ee' Ebro ht
from 1 ls. t ) Bs., and with an allowanoese bgo
of stock, in consequence of the fatal disear, the %be
among them by foreign cattle, of 10 per On der
expenditure would amount to 9091. 12e. ceraeoo.
same principles he calculated the returns of lost 40.1 co.
protection at 1,2631. 35., leaving a profit of 1 vier 0 ipss
to the farmer, as compared with the income obe° on
tens of free trade of 902/. 55., which arcsgay,eet °on
loss to him of 71. 17s. Id. Those facts and 'O6 dedecot-
tot be controverted or overturned, and the te%ch
would be that free trade must be ruinous to
underpay'
farmers as well as to their labourers. It wand drat
nd a t
circumstances the Royal Speech was readel •tetil wit
hanaent was called on to " unite with ber pas oa
siccerp gratification with which her Majes„ssari_aegi bo'
neseed the increased enjoyment of the o°4 bay-le at
comforts of life which cheapness and pielP;rfiss 401 es'
stowed on the great body of her people." fie otot 000
a loss to know whn'e that increased enj?Yfede o„teos
series and comfort lay. He denied toxt rbe
"rhogrc'eet
heeita,ion in saying that the passag vves pre the
untruth ever utteref in the House. Wnn evll°- es..
body ot the peeple ? The agricultural classes;at djstrsbe
affirmed, and the eech admitted, to be in grtre thttbree
By the population returns it would be iv ie the woo'
number of that class, with their dependents, wann,4o,
kingdoms amounted to 17,469,793, while tio'cuby, tv,he
Wring classes only numbered 9,336,196. ”weeeeelee,
were they to be told that the manufacturers „o pent
great body of the people ?—(Hear, hear.).
the " peorol'op
Member for Cork (Mr. Faean) acre tod tbs 6, erateeebe
Ireland hal no iaterest in the maintenance 0.1.1060 rad
but the thousands and thousands of his eoll°_`,."„erstOlits
came over annually, without whose aid ho no' foly Pbere
the harvests could not be got in throng eve toed
of the country, and than whom he did not e irmee
could be a better set of men—must be (.100' Doges ter
in that quesCor, as on that depended their vt.fariPeo
The tena 2.,t.
the employment cf their labour. , test dogrel
alca r .
in this country must be afieeted in the b ..00 rose
by the change consequent on the ad,ul:tr tee goo,
trade. Already much had been iaeoxei ie•
injustice of the operation of the his 0100
which compelled him to not on regar r
come, but on out -half of histeat, which w
neat 'I, PO
an r
profit, no matter whether he derived Ytfarele
arie
It bud been stated that not only Leo° that in 'OOOl
thrown up their lands in many cases, but ,be ase,_„o4
tenants to • she 0' A
compensation been made to tens ote in
„dol.
of several thousand pounds for irepeovernlowt he 7,00
effected by them durirg their tenancy. , nay ttigbs
ask, could any private gEtleman agora l„'„reiets we or
for all the improvements which such Would ri,.;too
make, under an expectation that prices
orattle' eta-
that high prices would continue? It w$ the !Tee ea
.1 for - •occol. •
much to make landlords pay so heavt Y eel}, Ise
tive enterprise of the fa-mer. Men with Prc'eid tio° cola
might do so if they thought proper—theY ,1000
UP
but the great majority ci consll ge

do nothing Of the sort. The lendlordi! had 10-t by the
~)°lieY pursued in this country, and no doubt the farmers,
,l'ad also been severe losers, and so had the agricu:tara
'aboarers, Re was corvine, d, from his owe experience
Ile" farmer, tha, if a great ch re.,,e IN ere not speedily,.
c the whol4e aerieeleard intere.ae nould be speceily
Inv, i t aysety, - -
h ,'lr. 'WALE ob erved that the lion. Gentleman who(
ielu just at down might have eejoyed the advantage
df
"luch experience in the businevs at qua: ti.r sessions, an
1'....4 °tiler mettlrs which he had alluded te; but the I.loers.
L4iinber certainly did not understand the prineipoln
upon which the busiress of this ceunt-y was carried
....
That
Pies-• gPetleman seemed to know nothin of the prim
. '
tt.Pen which Englishmen acted in the management
° their affairs. Surely, nothing could be more absurd
than ,
see; to 601) pose that stock could be taken at any ef the
ee, a this country—the value of the machines and
mad„ loonies precisely ascertained, and compensation
ci-e*r,'' t? t.he manufacturer fe• any real or supposed de&
eY in his proßts. Nothing that ho had ev.-r heard
liPPrar
a, NI to him half so preposterous. As to the
elliplifreialt.,'l., unwarrantable attack that had been
.rnade
he all
-`3 'ton. Friend the Member for the West Riding,
lir,.ttrastcd that that gentleman would view it in its prer
tr 4 , and
treat it with the contempt that it deserved.l.r
Pal that • i 1, i 2 ,no mere; but rate,
pnot point ee should say urn,
..,,to.ctll back the attention of the House to the
frt. v "a monopoly was in
e thee . th 8 country the rule,. and‘o
111 e ,old a tning they scarcely hoed to live to ne..tsrntsh-e.
Ile look ba-k to tho lime
toe
monepAy w...,
poly
__ , and he rejoices,
- tue land - d
intpe3:" now derided even by the advocates of the landed
that ,: Tilt country gentlemen plainly told tho
desired
tethit;"°Y wanted no monopoly—that they_ a -
Ail , g more than te be placed on terms cf equality
31:• dicir fellow-subjects. On the whele, such amt_
4011:iwere eighiy
sati,facteey, and he c, uld not bet
cuce-
ehieir,(!p that he was well pleased with the sp o
araetwal";el_louse had heard from the mover of the
°Pinia,,, (I, and, though he could not agree with all the
be would
hot c_ expressed by that Hon. entloman, .
resent
erhavy that the situation of theta rmers was..a.top n
im.
Preyed "e•torY; but every change from an ev.lll 2
some
40,4 "3 stein could not fed to be attended with
ce ,d °I Mischief to one or other cf the. parties con-
tleraeo ' It unfortunately happened that in times pasto..
,itio_aurable Gentlemen would not listen to p.l
wa44 for eralually establishing free trade,,e theyat
lenpv, Put it off so long that they were
ce
ply obliged
to take a leap, the consequencesless
itta,,:lo`eu_ hale, as they well knew, proved more or s .
theethet,L;
.", In the year 1829 he earnestly recommended.
._
thee e“) playd of the Extraordinary position in v.rhich
" ra
e“)
T. e. as t ) the trade in corn, am
20s pet: 'AY cn any duty you think proper ; make it
Per .._ar(loar.ter, and reduce that duty by la. per 4(4! until it should cease altogether.' .
' But such
quarter
keg: Itlll not in those days listened to, and in fumll
.
khe° then, had Only thirteen Members t )-support hi.
trete
as the
however, daylight had been let in on the
110 a e eoutexy, and all that the country gentlemen
With'ted was to be placed upon tarms of equality
kakika lie
theirsfslw-countrymen. In that reasonab
in
ei
Which °use. There was no portion of our manufacturesn
earn
Asa ere
to enjoy prote-,.tion now that the era .oerin,
este,
n'e,frce. Farmers were manufacturers of
Res 4' "l't various
thereproductions of the land, and
Ittet24.s 41Tatil:faeturers who possessed
,any claim to pre-
tigle e as of no use to talk about, the seat of land.
tt lod r worth 403, an acre. It might be worth 2tObse.
1°°,,4tP41't,,111 V hatever it was worth, the laedlord mus i
. the ia-eetaike. No doubt it was the duty. and the interest rlll4 wer "'(141 to see tl.at the various charges upon
relit, te eirlileed to the lowest possible point; but as to.
„,Irtes‘ ere-44'1'0rd must take ei at he could get for his
natiee Not long.er ago than the year 1842, the depre-
P;t)rove hooftpeuanl).ital amour ted
had been inflamed,
to 117,000,000/. That
f the Justly the value of land
,3.ttavr great Justly
the depreciation the greater was thea
elite), Cinstiee to the rest of the community. "
wth
Nao,4? the rnover of the Address, that the loss to the
!,„.14;trit e
i., q et corn was at the rate of 91,000,0001. perow
).Ith, freq, rather, that the community gained that_nm.
IP.f°rGi44"3ission of f)re!gn corn. The Hon. Me
tke4con rt tow bed estim ted it at 60,000,000/, and Mr.
17 taXes4a tre pronounced it to be equal to the whole of
aye e et were
led wie least i . Paid to the Crown.couldlaw s
ito,,ed ueseation in admitting ht No
coollren
thet
Wand eontgjeet check to the prosperity of the country.
Ilia il)thieg peel a manufacturing community, and half
it`l3, so 13,eoPle of this country were manUfacturers,
°tee eal,ece ett,et. tva, iv , One portion of their roducts, no
44411 IPott e'PE for home consumption, and the
!•ota,344lity oetim•
.IsTo, there could be very little
larl 46rvs loan tilts point, that the ref cal of the
diseilti,y of ttlist have the effect of greatly promoting the.
, el, e country 741'ed aof thiB ‘ .. lie was gladr ithat6et
i , a ge.nerpt
for it a
litil„ t 5 1,4)1
~_ qaeatton had been p
tho 4,4,1 shirked'l4 some of the Members on the other
-.or` eel tillers the real
- question.
di tag. ti},Piece on the subject a the Address upon
to it,tig ‘t,
must say that he had listened to that
li '', t 11011 ~1111141 pl-asure, and he was sure that the
),:v it w..ii'lber 1 .e. Tarnworth must likewise have
i„tuNredlle, satitfstien. Before he sat down, however,the
,(4tQl111,!;t1s oelltelpress a wish f .r some information as to
tate' t.tcativ
fearovern went respecting the present. state
tteatlitiori re4a,dehize.. They had.al.reatdbyeyrecheaidvedhsaodxae
64 , tie I), , • Ing foreign affairs—
thia'l%ther ui.'t given them about the affairs of Italy,
tfl tt)at; OUp ongary; ho nsaated to knowabout some-
tliell)k ah' °,IIP affairs at home; they had been told
,t.ealitPpotta:e4(; set edial
condition of the
measures, or about any measure
time 1. 'eh r°4Pect;tvg the internal con
41:4 thq e keizb ,41r4 arse
ers of the Government gave ten.
"`Q't • Tee ~lon to foreign that they did to domestic
ilte wa 'lluble Lord at the head of the Govern-
sele .3 41V,
tsar 4tive aware of the defects
is en, of the the Noble Lord must also be
on the
ti 14,1" Tete-a anxiety which prevailed on would
ie') be ciT Public expected that som-r
which,
tie') be
sp,,;_'ll, not rnere'y as regarded Ireland,
but as re-
:hieZt thii e4e'leg, had no representation at all,
II 8;11.,he ere•ovpliitrY. ll° did think thattnhredseirtiuyathioanbiitns ,
-kte, nis- • e were placed—that their
il''()o 4.41 to 'ere
i 'tled them to
then, that
tit:14110 been in the .Speech of the Royal Conie.
tqlltili t 41111siell to any extension of the stiffragefi,nr
je,„,,nit shr) soy Plan for removing I,l444!ttarel.,,tl;°alin,Con in that House, and placing the
class legisl. tion, i e
.1„1- IT -I,oa in the 1 d f those who ought top°, 1'1.16'1 op
,i;(1 hoPe'the'an thatsi some explanation would
''qt'r *0414'1" PGint, antpi that the inquiries of the
e
ftetOtllk, 444 a satisfactory answer. The.No
r_
114 de's ie „eve he could not be ignorant or, the lave
44;41114r Oeetive system—they certainly were such
telMa•ele a reform he Parliament, with a view to
aa
1,444)%nr 'otito- resent
of the people.
.Nothingtrwyouolirl gwiovueld
Iko re tf, , 0 educatiamounthis coue s
LII•1' e4ttre " „Lessen the cf crime than such
114 e s• *(10 Was much gratified with the cot-
N%.4-4t3'' 114 e of her Mojest .'s speech :—" It is h.eir
t':, hy
pc'Pe and
belit f that b)y combining liberty wita I%it,atiloilltiaer:::7::,4l6 what is valuable, ‘,,A➢
Pei% ti, Pil will sustain the fabric of our m-
end amendt.ng
1,,,;4111Lrt,1519..,>` airde
Land the shelter of
snore
tfhraene
this,and
„ begs„ 0 asked for nothing nio
rho' not a sin 1 • dividual sitting upon the
tilt 1, nip?. e hit ©the git?.ll.l .
n; +ltp. ' aituhterial) who was
lee
ttraawsatercei
eat: : Love stat of the representation. I.e lif4thlt)l4 to 4 would tellthe House whether it was his
eNi e' is le Propos ' of Parliamentary
Ro°l:6 pr,,,-',O prtse et any extension t
take away the
111111 1.47‘a, ii;'ed(lietif. iilll-0 sensosreiclin'atsioenaso
it,eD,o, he (4 no the
lair Majesty's Ministers to go
°Members of this
liit'l thP,Le, zitia had me)
futile) did. For himself, he trusted
414ip1: Would ~ ound that if you
.distrusted man-
th°Ple , q pl.,
eulatrust you. He maintained that the
tt4et'inoiedi")o oustitution of this country was that the
ittl: ttin Lem ~the root of all power. He would ask
-II W. 1. len--seei that the defects of the repre
Aisei a,,e,,-* 60 clear] seeing
• d b every one, himself
‘ taillteee"4 that th Y a 9:lute
b7tlqrt,.. Iltett_
.o People were so anxious to have
tqh t!1 !eradiate m' ther any changes in the nature of
00-f
kt 1' thg.t een,nt were contemplated by te
e of
qllld testr, OrteitY with the concluding passage kr:„.l heclllstlitler'tteech ? He wished theFrNi oabyl
night.ord
Pe 4 091% ,: 'Peech he made on d
tee 4 di, " the necessity of removing All just
!tDit 04 41 alai ant rti the best mode of preserving the
t. ry
al.. ataitiing ti,, institutions if this country,., 41411.':1:111i°4 turo'.nt
tonth used by the Noble Lord. would
41 la.)a 1:1:11Y the %tiler th' t 44 a tree ' necessity ° t,u/nent to the
tee a(,t e kepi cans
of
giving• ooft granting reform
(Mr. Hume)
1,4, mint e04,,,,i ,e.--(Rear, hear.) He v • of
.11:111e,ptIttY eat4lftnu himself that a large portion
het k/tti rtIP te keepL'llinnt during the last two years had
It 4 1.,-avo4l) down our people at home.—(Hear.)
t 4 43'1 ePir4hat e cit 0 the
,principles of the Charter,
‘l,l")ortiiell he4-titu Jiolent attempts made to carry
te,,, tt ti,q, to keepoutiged the Government to resort
I)34',.t''Y 41"e441 down the Oealamd that existed
wito4,. ,ti4rese,i).t.,,in favour of improved Parlia-
I's 14 th 34ses "'le", particularly among the la-
tleh
to l-4 t't the Noble Lord place them
ON 14ii te ,e tf tt
‘ ro?"---.(111.000,0so'T 02nstitution, and net restrict the
tll, ,sottalt,, ar, 4, u, instead of 6,000,000 or 7,000.,000
Ul ‘4€l4l,4°tier:'",,r.) Her Majesty's Speech centamt d
/41e',,,41., heerrnt et)i. sanitary measures, and he trustedtax
1h ml. t , tif--whi.kre shout to remit the window-
ta, ee'ltae (~..? heal was admitted to be the greatest
•eoei 4144-I'l3h et-: and conaf at r f the worhing classes
ter airy fete tho ~ '4% indeed a mockery for the Gover.n-
air et . FoOr,l , ,lly ',,1V4„41144, r a tnroughout the country to raise
~,gle „°' obt") ll'thl 4, nd to recommend them to get bet
ti, '°lor itlttliee fresh legislation, they shut out the best
t, NI `si sy it.eBll • (11 ) With respect to
, wth ()hi , Stqul , air.-- ear. 'ile,,ltitair,l/41 mu, ' the whole of it must be changed..
Iviiiii eh '1: ate i: Possess the means of managing their
tik to s'lll.den ell th'lY persons called upon to pay
I 'tii Otai 8' l'ho ho were now un-
11ke (44 •cA grtlte Sew
pr - Beit. eo, wen'ill.,lld t'a plea:* themselves under the.
' li itl4tp .4°l'era,„- '"f our colonies obtained the privi-
t'altes e-11l cee,;_ent, be induced to go and settle
N4lat orcttion 4111 g to the United States of America.
q4iB 1 l'afi, ow. 0.14 military force was kept up for the
o,3rße pepc:Plet's and the Government might re-
ftie,e j:` in ee`ten of our military strength by an
q(4, (11114, "I' ooloei 1 Ho trusted the
It y tts, otee be i ti system. .
he'l'. MINI:Iee aole at once to give the House sa-
p, re. 411, a 11on these subjects.
e l'lty Ponta ~,,, 4./si had
info'ivil or t,
,qiet,. IT,„ beard with great satisfaction
'l4qt'4l tet43 eoite,vri Members had given of the pros-
hle/, the cont td be only regretted that Ire-
t, 4404 Pl'eut,t:rT, as the nouse had already been
tilq , tokC'(l.lt. ' at the present moment a picture of
0,1)k e.,6 fromtit) The li
1 Itel- -'le 4 hj h on; Member (Mr. Villiers),
tx, k d(h.ess g authort, told She House, on
ttFi(4l4l qft)l3, 044 ,thrit Ireland, if properly cultivate 1,
er'144,111 that tkc,ll°t orly. for herself, but for Englanl•
(~,k lot ~Ass i,.,.. condition of the labouring classes
ct%_to llttlA "4PrOVed is qii 11411,' or nothi ' because they could get every-
, e hub `.4othiee, , e.g. But they had not the " lit..
1k erd• .int e 6°, the ~ 1,- ,
4 hal Itht j °Ous: ~ • nt-).t lag. '--(A laugh.
ti 4 R 11,) 'afelix t i.uis enini Regal? et tamers, ll id
4 4 lie otntu nil"
eeta ~ Must sa.„ ,
4 Iroul the Fee Lie had never believed half that
e-tNlers—(Cheers from the

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