The Sun.
London, England, 1850-07-02 00:00:00

Mr. SPOONER complained of the heavy item to'
expense of management of the educational grant'
nana,ly, 17,450/.
bir G. GREY said that sum was not fur expense
management—there were 16,0001. of it for salaries al"
travelling expenses of the inspecters.
The vote was then agree d to.
On the vote of 125,0001. for the expenses of the CO
missioners of National Eduestion in Ireland,
Mr. HUME wished to know what had been the sun'
cess of the model farms?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE was under the impreosil
that a report, containing a very satisfactory staterae°
on the sobject, had already been made.
Mr. HENLEY asked how it was that the education
inspectors in Ireland received no more than 2501. nal
while so mneh more was paid to the English inspectorg
Sir G. GREY. said their time was so much less Der
pied than that of the English inspectors.
Mr. HENLEY observed that they were employed
an average nine months in the year.
The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the vote of 14,755/. for schools of design end pCO'
viucials,
Mr. EWART expressed a hope that the Govern
would make some statement as to the increase which Dr
taken place in the amount of this vote.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said it was true that the
wets increased by nearly 5,0001. since last year. Ir ,7;
caused in a very great degree by what was called ",
outfi t-funs?, and there was scarcely any way in which th:,
Government could more effectually promote the object'
view than by furnishing these schools with gObd m,fdeelji
and the best specimens of sculpture, which were setpniti
at a small cost. Another object in view was to Aster,
to Ireland the benefit of these schools of design-01o'
hear)-1,5001. had been granted towards their estsbli:i
ment in Dublin, Belfast, and Cork; and he was bat ,
to say that the schools already established had bee.:
gratefully received by the inhabitants, who bad e,07,
forward to essist the efforts of the Government. He
been in correspondence with Lord Clarendon, and brj
every reason to believe that they would be as succ etas
there as in England. The corporation of Cork had 01"
scribed 200/. a year towards them.
Mr. HUME was fully sensible of the advantOgel
arising from these schools, but wished to know Ire el' a
ryes that Birmingham, which subscribed nothing,. rei
exited 6001. a year. Sheffield again received 6001.
only subscribed 215/. It was not right either 111:4
Nottingham should receive 4501., when it subsce4
only 2011.
Mr. LABOUCHERE admitted the importan©t d

of,
making the grants and subscriptions balance each of hi, ofl
and this was kept in view by the Government as far,
circumstances would permit, though, in some insta
ett
it had been found expedient to depart from it. In -0 d
ginghamhe believed a liberal sunscription had bees 3t L
ten)i into, but the return had not been made in elurt,
and the same observation applied to Ireland, but lb' 1,
would appear next year.
Mr. HEADLAM complained of the injustice wb4o
had been dente to Newcastle-upon-Tyne, the grant • heal •
been discontinued in 1848. tl tl
Mr. HUME asked if it was intended to conti erne „ ft
reeeive ordinary pupils in the metropolitan ti m 0; I
which were originally supposed to be limited to 001 0
struction of masters?
Mr. LAI3OUCHERE said it wag certainly r let
tended to make the metropolitan establishments a tricto 1
normal schools. London being a great manufac
place, it was important that students should ha vt r f
meena of obtaining instruction there.
Mr. HUME observed that in that case London 4110
also to contribute.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of 2.0061., for the salaries of c e t't!).
professors in the Universities of Oxford and Carat elf ti
Mr. EWART urged on the Committee the i
tepee of providing fur the establishment of a prof e 064 c
ship of history, in connexion with diplomacy, oor t
Universities—a department common in all the Unite Cr!
ties abroad. When the profesiorships of modern h i
were established at Oxford and Cambridge, in the: i!pi
of Sir IL Walpole, it was with the view of connes tl
with it the study of diplomacy. He did not pre'Poi t
that degrees should be taken in that departmet t e
knowledge,_ but certificates of competency migt
granted. He thought our young diplomatists sl
undergo a regular examination, as it was the ca
in many branches of the public service.
Mr. HUME also thought no attache; ought to p
employed without having pasted a preliminary eacri
nation, and they ought also to possess a knowle J.OO
the language spoken in the country where they ff
employed.
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Mr. IV'. J. FOX thought that before being called' old
spend the public money they ought to know wt tat
the lectures delivered by the erofessors in question 74
to be for the benefit of the public, or were to be- tvj
fined to the wealthiest class of the community, I_,!",i
those who entertained an exclusive class of theoloi 7
opinions.
Mr. C. LEWIS feared the Hon. Member for'S for
fries, in referring to foreign Universities, had in I
the science of diplomaties taught in the Germat
versities, which had nothing to do with the scie 1
diplomacy, but related to diplomas or ancient deed 04 1
Mr. E WART begged to assure the Hon. Gen IV
that he was perfectly aware of the distinction. tiol
Mr. GLADSTONE reminded the Committee e
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although the public was good enough to pay 1,0 00",,1
each of the Universities, it imposed a very hea r9;s‘
upon the granting of degrees. He thought the t
tremely heavy and unjust, and unworthy a great . one
He entertained a sanguine hope that the alteratie 0
cently made at Oxford would necessarily lead to a
of these matters relating to diplomacy and the 14110
nations in its most extended and important sense.. .00
hoped also that the public libraries of these Univeri
would be made more generally available to the stub
and the public.
Mr. LENNARD said that at Cambridge there • SA
lectures upon the law of nations and modern his 9
which were very numerously attended. Great fat d
were also afforded in the library of that Universit3 00
no difficulty was experienced in obtaining books it .0
time.
Mr. V. SMITH said, if ae withdrawing oftohiAll
on degrees would meet tie expenses of the pr
ships, he thought it would be most desirable tot 10t
of them, and effect thereby an arrangement that 10°. tl
ho more satisfactory to all parties. He thou; ;kV
highly objectionable that the votes for the differen '
versities and academies should be included in the.
mates arid discussed in that House every year.
Mr. EWART hoped that some arrangement wo
made by the Noble Lord at tho head of the foreig
partment by which those agents who were in futi u e l '
represent that country abroad would not exhi b i‘of
great an ignorance of the first principles of diph
as had been too often witnessed.
Lord PALMERSTON said some such arrang oeo/41
had been for some time in comtemplation; and he b °eV
to be able to have an examination instituted for • ts'
receiving their first commission.
Mr. ANSTEY said in almost every foreign or a told
they had a department of public law, and he mig b t 0
stance particularly Russia, in which it was necessi a el /0
obtain some proficiency before the lowest diploi °l/01
post would be conferred on any candidate. AltA)
Government officials were in that way conversant ft,
matters of which their diplomatic agents were PA(
foundly ignorant, thanks to the education the you "
so s of the ari.tocracy received at their Universities.
Mr. STANFORD defended the course of edu 011
pursued at their Universities, and observed that it
only necessary to look for a moment at the long lis,to
distinguished men, both at home and abroad,,wh J. 1,0
graduated at these Universities, to prove that the: ,e Irgl
sessed attainments of the very highest description. Fof
complained also of the utter neglect of the Govern 1;4
in conferring appointments upon men who had pee 0
through their University career with the greatest hon !„0
contrasting it with the manner in which the Govermee
abroad conferred their most important diplomatic
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pointments upon those who had distinguished themse
in the foreign Universities.
Mr. A. B. HOPE said that they had many do e
guished Members in that House who had graduat e
these Universities. The Right Hon. Baronet the d led
ber for Tamworth—for whose recent calamity they 04
all feel the deepest sorrow—was one of thera.—(lli
At the age of twenty-one he was placed in a moc,t
minent and honourable position, because he was a 'lc ielr'ot
class man at Oxford. He did not think it fair to rah 0
the Government with this neglect.
The vote was agreed to.
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3,6671., to defray the expenses of the Univers au
London, was also agreed to.
7,4801. was also agreed to for the Scottish Univs
Mr. EWART reminded the Committee of a pe
presented from the inhabitants of Aberdeen, compl sits ji
of the college library being closed to them -althoi tt
was supported out of the Consolidated Fund. He h
that the Government would consider the propriiei ;1
affording the people free ingress to these regiof tt
knowledge.
Mr. HUME also urged upon the Government thl
cessity of making these libraries more applicatO
public purposes.
Mr. DUNCAN having expressed himself to the Als°
effect, 01'
Mr. F. MAULE said the attention of the Gem
ment had been turned to this subject. The Come alt
however, should perceive that the Government has
little control over these libraries. The library of
burgh was for students exclusively.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were also agreed to:-
300/. towards defraying the expenses of the ills
Hibernian Academy, and 6,500/. for the
,Royal DIP
Society.
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4,100/. for theological professors in Belfast as 0001,
pensation for professors of the Belfast Academical .(0
sti tution.
Mr. V. SMITH wished to ask why there was an ,be
crease of 500/. in the former vote, and of 1,0001. '
present? it)
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that the extra 500/.0,
the former vote was for building a hothouse appartere
In respect to the Belfast Academical Institution, th oe
were retiring allowances granted to giro professors to
the opening of the Queen's College, and gratuitset ja
others. These items would not of course be repeateu
any fu tu
HUre votMEe.
Mr. asked why these five professors were ii°l'
appointed to the new colleges?
pointed Sir
had beenW.SOMEßapVploted.
LinreE said all that could be g
The vote was then agreed to. •
38,5694 for defraying the expenses of the new -
ings at the British Museum.
Mr. WYLD complained of the smallness of the libri'tl;
room, and the want of accommodation for eitber Ito
visitors or books. There were 40,000 'volumes adde
the library within the last ear. Any person fraftlePt uid
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this place must at once sen theedifficulty of procutoNo
book published two or three years ago. There was
proper catalogue published.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEP_A
that the usual thug for giving the informsttio4 as""