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any measure which he might think calculated to promote
her welfare. He could confer with the other members
of the Administration day by day, and he could avail
himself f the suggestions which he might receive from
members of the Legislature. In his opinion Ireland was
greatly prejudiced by the absence from the Cabinet of '
tiny member immediately responsible fur the government
of that country. It was said that the responsibility at
resent devolved on the Secretary of State for the Home
epartment. No doubt it did; but it would surely be
more satisfactory that the public functionary charged
with the administration of Irish affairs should be en-
abled to defend, or to explain in person to the House and
to his colleagues, the measures which he mig think
best calculated to promote the welfare of Ireland. Under
the proposed arrangement there would be ample oppor-
tunities for the new Secretary of State of listening to
the suggestions of Irish gentlemen waiting on bin/
either individually or in deputations; and under the ex-
isting system such communications frequently tooll
place between gentlemen connected with Ireland
and members of the Government. But if the office
of Lord-Lieutenant were abolished, the question next
arose to whose hands should the duties at present per-
formed by the Lord-Lieutenant be confided. Now in
readily admitted that it was desirable that there should
b© as much unity cf action as possible in administering
the business of any department of the Government. flat
ho felt at the same time that the questions with regard
to Ireland which constantly arose at the present day
were so numerous and important that they could 110:
possibly be dealt with satisfactorily by any of the grEl
officers of state who at present held places in the &char.
nistration. He certainly felt convinced that such an A°
dition could not be made to the duties of the Secretary
of State for the Home Department without overwhelM;
log that functionary with a mass of business
would be impossible for him properly to perform. -Lho
time might come when it would be possible to unites
duties of the Secretary for the Home Department in tei'd
country with the duties of a Secretary for Ireland, an,-
he earnestly hoped that that time might not be diesel,
That was precisely what had occurred in the case a:
Scotland. For some time alter the union with Scotian°
there had been a Secretary of State for that countrY
and it had afterwards been found unnecessary to contio!,l
the existence of such a functionary. But he bsii°/?be
!
that in the present state of Irish business it Would
impossible for the Secretary for the Home Denartinetbae
to manage satisfactorily that business in addition t.,.°
performance of his own multifarious duties. 14 -
peered to him that the Right Hon. Baronet the Meal7l7e,fs
for Tamworth had overrated some of the diffiefur
or inconveniences which would arise from the, 0135-o.bt
meet of an additional Secretary of State. The ,1„0
Hon. Baronet had stated that a difference O,SIPP":„y
might arise between that functionary atitlnbe Secretary
for the Home Department in this country as to the Pl"—b,
to which a regiment should be sent in case of distur.r
awes in different parts of the kingdom. But, in his
co(ld
G. Grey's) belief, no such difference of . opinion n k
over arise in a united cabinet; for the members of stle'
,„
e;
a cabinet would necessarily be .ready at any tine() "
adopt whatever arrangements they might on cons e,
tion think to be on th, whole most conducive to the gt
neral welfare of. the United Kingdom. An (Mini° f
seemed to prevail in some quarters that the abolition °
the Lord-Lieutenancy in Ireland might be followed bh>
the removal of the law courts from Dublin. Now for
(Sir G. Grey) could sconceive no grounds whatever I°,
any such opinion: s Her Majesty's Government 1044;
tainly never 'entertained any idea of the kind. -‘,„,
courts of law had ben ..retained in Scotland, notwitu
standing the union between ,Scotland and this countrift;
and he could not see why the same course should 110t.ie
pursued in Ireland.. He should observe that the recta"
mode in which the duties at present devolving on t",
Lord-Lieutenant should hereafter be performed wain,
matter for the consideration of the House in Comtnittta
He trusted that they would then consent to the seeof
reading of the Bill—that they would agree to the pried
ciple of an immediate transfer of the business of 'refs"
of
to this country, and. by that means enable the heonee
the Irish Administration to conduct the duties of
office as a member of the Executive Government. et
Mr. M'CULLAGH said that the question then
issue was, how was the future government of Ireland, itt
be carried on? That measure would involve, in Peed
English, the transfer of the Government of Ire'"„-se
from Ireland to England. He would entreat the 11°"„1,
to consider whether the present moment was an aller
cious one for that great, and, as he believed, most Peirbe
lous experiment. He confessed he looked with ,rye
deepest anxiety to the future condition of Ireland. "sbe
old quarrel still raged there—the quarrel between ;;10
great mass of the population and au aristocracy bne
to them, but masters of the soil. He believed tio'sbe
care which could be bestowed ought to be spared i° ;0
government of a country so critically situated. l,t„.;0-
all very well to talk about an identity of laws and `"„0- se
tutions in the two countries. But it was idle to allPr; po
the possibility of such au identity in countrf"„od
dissimilarly circumstanced. And, accordingly, be ited
that the system of education was different in Egg in
and in Ireland ; he found the police flYs"-ia
and the system of public works different b.
the two countries. Let them look at the Church f5,,t11,0
lishments in England and Ireland, and in what wine
different circumstances they were placed. In fact' of
every thing that formed the political and social stet `be
a country, the most striking difference prevailed °doe
two kingdoms. He had certainly thought at 011°,,,'",01
that was to have been a final measure for the setue",.,„,- et
of thet question ; but the Right Honourable Dar'se-iti
the Secretary for the Home Department had just
them that that was perhaps but the commencement of
system of centralisation, and that the office of Secret,ar)the
State fir Ireland might hereafter be abolished Tiled
same way in which a similar office bad been estabbsdieg
in the case of Scotland. He could not help apprebperi4ses
that under the now system the representatives 10', ;be
land would vainly attempt to influence the policy' °' toy
proposed Minister for Ireland, for they would noel pot
be greatly outnumbered in the Legislature. /3° °lrish
care what name they might give to the bead of teal
des
administration; he merely wished to have the bust t in
of that department well done, and he believed tll,l the
Ireland only could it be well done. He believe" did
people of Ireland were entitled to equal laws, but it
ood
not follow that they desired to have the .same 10:5' oer
it was sufficient to refer to- their legislation to u° which
vinced that such had never been the principle upon `csuect
the Imperial Legislature had acted. He might be nfi-aer
what plan he would propose to substitute. Ris °led'
was, that he would propose a plan by which Wa, et'
ministration should be combined with Pullen:loor,, is
tendance and Parliamentary responsibility rreillddie
fallible effect of' this Bill would be to detach the "floe
classes in Ireland from the Government, and to Pr;bitill
an absentee gentry and au oppressed psasantl, ,1
would help them not in the day of trouble, if it 60014
come—as come it might—and their only resource
be in the barracks of the troops.—(Rear, bear.) fervid'
Mr. SHEIL could not help thinking that tbeko bao,
impassioned nationality of his Hou. Friend "1"000
just sat down had iu this instance overcome his °of the
admirable sense. Ile had adverted to the deteiis, or,
Bill, but had left its principle untouched. In bitgter 11„1
lihiel's) opinion, the Secretary of State, no Itteug,,"
what name he was called, ought to have a t'-osag
knowledge of Ireland. He did not think it ne° ledge'
that he should be borti there to have that lat°„vvolice
but he should be acquainted with the habits, tbect tie<
the prejudices, the passions, the weaknesses, a° There
ties, good and bad, and with that he ought ce vet°
occasionally, not constantly, to visit the cowed'''. na oof
was a time when the Lord•Licutenant of Ireit4o,oo; e
subservient to the policy by which the govern fern'
the country was carried on, when Ireland was Pre free
through the Irish gentry, upon principles not 111° of tbi,
testant than aristocratic, and the patronsgehoo they
Crown circulated in that restricted channel; woe
every
virtually combatted the representation. °' our
county and the nomination to every 13 cotr
and when the Castle was the point 0cte140,,11;
tical and social centralisation, the Lor,u et
tenant then drew about him 9 a .3%pli'v-i
powerful class composed of the most s°°" oedinga,lis
men. But the foundation on which that eltc,soipati..,,"
artificial system rested gave way; Catholic elua"reforl
was carried, and was followed by ParliamentarY d °aura ale
and power was transferred from the fav peg* 6
manageable few to the multifarious and unto° ; oaa.,
unto
A rdi
many.—(Hear, hear.) The Lord-Lieutena
was stripped of his power and became virtuaslV egg of
nate to the Secretary of State, and from a A OP° no
was changed into a mere scenic apparatus Oro Wiens
representation of Royalty. The spectators Pho eer oe
weary of the exhibition, and it was time tR lted here
clO3l be
should drop.—(Hear, hear.) It must be a no ish
what was called the Irish Court was in realitioelre,..
than a colonial dependency.—(Hear, hear-)
ine 00'0,
Government should not be married to the 11° no d°ight
its duties were too onerous already. It via!ltle the flight
extremely presumptuous for him to differ /op that
Hon. Baronet opposite, but he looked 11P° id be then'
Hon. Baronet as the worst witness that 010 of °
for he would be apt to measure the canflated obiogs
by his own Anlxen powers. He bad '.tote of thins
(6fr
10th of April.—(Hear. hear.) If that ro pie* 0)
should recur under which his Right 1:1° ZERO, eel)
G. Grey) evinced so much promptitude"; she tt Mot
—so much firmness—(Hear, hear —and inking gig°
ration—(Cheers)—he could not but bie wow. or
the preservation of peace in •Entaicji span t° on!
Lim enough to do, without being oamethena olfla
press insurrection in Ireland. Let h that d'B ire"
their eyes. Ireland was passing tbr°l/39 epnlied.rrible
ordeal to which the name of transit
w
elf to that teof ;be
land bad not as yet accommodated blishe Pr°PertYbe is
but needful novelty—the poor-law. 1 b which Ltit tbs
country was going through a tribune by
anon, bodred
was divested of its proverbial procro , sod bu
effect of which would be to cast hundred the seolol.,tes
(oaf well-bore-aebdiluictiaetsedofmlae
definedTi dst °11: I;meeting.ts s
nhr aeCt
ee
oee:
wereroga,tifvoeusnodf
Presbyterians tenants)we re b
min
go
tier Hear, hear.) He could say
eland t'"
had said enough to remind them that r
soy th,310 to
undivided attention, though he would net _routs° the
time might not come when it might Ist, 00.90,
govern her by an undivided Administra ioubfloged_;ol,
moral aspect of Ireland should be wholly cvlooo 01:45 or
process of social and political amelioration,
the rig
elicted•
daring disaffection should be cold, wilen. rose te,7
property and the rights of poverty shouts! roper ''fee
for poverty had its rights as well 0,5 1' 0.0,11_6re
(Hear, hear.) When the Irish gentleinn?
in the poor-house not a memorial °Li; pertlectl,
exaction, but a monument of natiom...a to otbee
(Loud cheering)—when they had le:.trni;_od.to
their institutions in Ireland, instead of -11:_e`;atueve.
institutions—then, but not till,then—at fr_s`,iooomeet;
perhaps, in reference to brief individual
th
short in comparison with a nation's grew , bat f to;
ossiete, o e
haps, an amalgamation might be p • rine gt
ainntdersvoallicilteutdethineemideanvtosild
toadthdeintsgdrtnoirViisetr:ljiocrof ttotjeititi
office, whioli already (tem-aecied mcir9- tebuludEil
comblnation of ititelleeneu,l,o4wge 811 u r
ranee.--(Loud choera.)