The Sun.
London, England, 1850-05-15 00:00:00

twined 44e. The Hon. Gentleman had alluded to ore
important
of,ti ttteolteircfn,itiheir3
teheseerga:ast.quletstwi-oaisi
iu its generel IL wirings than to coneider it in its in
duel action; and therefore he should confine Ilios.edirtele
that form of discussing it. Ho was ready to tin
with the Hon. Cientisnian opposite that there was n 0
the country at this moment that universal prosper";
which every
Hon, Member on either side of the use
eeuld wish ; but then thsre was this wonderful:l)l,st
under i'o we
dv ei
arc' u
tinction between the suffering undergone new an di the
underwent in former times—that whereas formerly..
t, _
,suff ring was all confimel to the working
population, the poor, at present it was felt solelg,
the higher and middle classes.—(Loud cries J.' the
no," and "Hear, hear.") An Hon. Gentleman 0 alter
other side of the House said that the etiesti"a Isle,
all, would have to be settled on the ground of e
(mr.
rests of the working classes ; on that ground be
the
Wilson) was willing to meet it, and to APPJ lu
test of the condition of that class to its settlem:ote4,,
January last, long before the Hon. Member f r
portion 0.1 .°°
shire had made his motion on the subject, the Go'll6
merit had Lid upon the table of the House certain retm„
showing the state of pauperism in the whole country;l
tle first week of the present year, in
year •,,.111
he similar period in the three preceding
Noble Lord in the other House suspecting, howeven_ttpbe
tbese returns were of a nature too favourable °
if
the
middle obe
of
Government, moved for returns for the
past quarter. These returns showed the
reliefnua'
Oaupi rs receivin.. out-door relief and in-door dthse
is
England and \\Tables in the middle of Februarb
was the result. In the corresponding week °f
years there were:—
Out•door Paupers. In-door Paupers. gOB.OOO
1847 1847 729,000 ~. 179,000 ••• a"0-3-000
1848 ... 824,000 ... 169.000 ••• 0","3-1000
1849 ... 784,000 ... 159,000 ..•
1850 ... 748,000 ... 142,000 'h""'t eise
comparisons tikia
So that in the vaunted year of 1848, when vv:,,e6ber 01
100 s. per quarter, there were a far greater e"-ressioa
paupers than in the present year of alleged deP bad
and distress, and the total pauperism of the aotentricoulti
been reduced from 993,000 to 890,000. 14? °eat this
deny, therefore, that whoever were suffering at
the
moment from the change that had takeu 00°5olessee
wereHono
unroatv
et hot.seempbeerrsco3,nisr..
commercial policy of this country, the poOreri by se
was di,appointed of that immediate prosperitY P-ersbis
by the Free-traders.—(Hear.) Could 1:0°,°,0 at
G.
ey pot
tdDihl.iesmmboermseonvtearffloeic.ktedontheeomtidtdhlee
cgireesasets?causes wu:
Theyli Berkeley) k hadeley ) beentbetettuthreas. t°,ll‘u. iteubotteerti
iscover one great cause in the years 1c:4451-a' Ibf
ot b::
existing mischief. He had been told that in 800 0016
ties, and among the rest Lincolnshire, that 1°11„001
not name a person who had not suffered from
not
speculations.—(Oh, oh; no, no.) Mind be didliets- ted ia
charge the agricultural classes with having sPeteter,is
railways ; he was aware that Liverpool, Alltlec-„uchi r
short all the great towns in the north were 55'in SO-
more, engaged in the same kind of speoniet'°-, tbis
were those in agricultural counties ,• but thellgto tbs
fir_n:iggthwtthhbiacethsthholasdit was impossible to blind thelnellesolger'
had been furnished wbac,seno übwhollythe
es gbe
arc err
gee tte
Secretary
causestof the
tkilsittdo.ee
we 80
change with this statement :—ln 184f8re
147,000 men employed on railroads. At Preae,„ie
were only 45,000 men—so they had 100,000 'otelet'
employed now than before, owing to the disettrel-
of the construction of railways. In 1846 there 115;
nine main lines, which had expended 51,00°e'7h sue
which had sin income of 2,700,000/. In 185°;teee tyle
lines had expended 102,000,000/., and their ruched Put
2,200,0001, being 500.0001. less than when they said disi
expended 51,000,000/. Therefore it might. be • meitiee
51,000,000/. had been recently expended Whch ree ac°a;
absolutely unproductive. This alone ought to 0.00.
elusive reason for a great portion of that sine The goo.
which the country was now labouring. rheditie
Gentleman (Mr. Sanders) alluded to the lastditoio's
portation of grain in this compared Witb eef tied
Nothing could more strikingly show the benefit. ha).
trade. The Hon. Member told the House 111‘,800,Ac'e
harvest was defective in 1838, and in consegga-eirsiv
hcoardn.an free Vs' 300
wrimh3p,orwnhitaiotnotohfers,soobio.e.OcOtObaqduarters tbsl
this ? Then the Hon. Gentleman said the hadreerlA;
year had been larger, and the importations
quently fallen off. This was the very object freeif fr:
sought to accomplish—to equalise the seasons:l.o !lei
trade did that it attained the object it ha-'ite°
They had been asked what evidence ell: ye-11
increased consumption durin the last thre`teoog"
Ho found during the last sixmonths tbatee" th
1,000,000 more quarters had been iMP°llettstil
in the corresponding period last year, hoetd""oo,l3.o
of home-grown wheat taken into consintihrorea
increased. The calculations in his posselPeiensmea' ore ..s0"
during the last six months 1,269,000 quarters -eor
been taken into consumption than during tithe' ge4";
pending six months of the previous year. 'aje.bee:ra-el
hers and other parties, from their own persOue' eree,h'ij
Lions, and from inquiries of bakers, have newl-le
that a larger consumption of bread had taken r
year compared with former times. The flelhe fer°tl
man (Mr. Berkeley) had stated that the BOOEl'lOlO
would be undermined by the United States• l'enfisbe,e
his hand an account of the sale of four cargoes
bncep from(ouetrsthgoeuflAsabmrertaieeenrrtcti;onat.bringing
hypothetical
theTet calculations.
ocezalulhocil were
anecnatogittuth)pnhnertseis.vreoeey.
The e
cargoes
Li r
wstichsresi
94. 44:1
atin'-gTdehtwheearsl:3ssuss7letdbodlife7tbeci:o°s:itb:ei'
o the ewUr-sui neatly States, theso thesaaddingm price traormg
good whits wheat.
loss, it could not be sold at te profit here for 15,teins
565. per quarter. The circumstances be bateoiseere
fl en.
account for the fact that at the preseetseeed
en. was no less than 3s. per barrel dearer iLestsidijo
e
leans than at Liverpool. The four cargoes alan'aess;'el
e Now,:htcost
oyws
tyt hooefr
ca it75.5,104i4e90,
_2,1004
I,!si. One cargo the cost was 9351.; the Prayko dn-0.
714/ ; so the loss was 2212. The second eVel"e- e
455/.; the third 237/.; and the fourth 2804, ,i-eiete'et
Members must furteier bear in mind in n•-"°:se 1°,;00
wheat was bought in America when prices ws-nsise •it
than now, and sold here at a time when the talOrti'l
4s. higher. If then, the present prices did ii,°-elsa"01
was his belief that we should see a considerable eajos
of wheat- shipped from England for the constifirjghlerms
the people of the United States.—(Roars °Ale! tie
[lon. Members laughed; buthad done s°
though Hon. Members did not weseem to be tegroebi-10
nice The Hon. MeMber (Mr. Sainaders).wheerve
,1:04
to taking the averages of the last ten or back
111.
He could not understand why this objections":„elt tare
yearat
lel whytlhB2 csto.hnedTli
tihit:eina.uail,o,l,nde
.m.rvebiheearmr sabhceotreurwl daowsi
peeshthto
segpo:o4oe:3oeitterisro a:
very much changed of late years. In the g-tillrPll,l"e
vincos, for instance, which once produced ss"•o'
corn, there was now no surplus, owing to °sie. "
pep'
pals ion and increased manufactures. The, "'aloft, 4.001
tleman saint, under free trade we should stiaieliesii,
duetion, and so we should have increased ue,Peela yes,
abroad. If they gave higher prices tbeer;"•olisripi
increased foreign cultivation; but this Woutu °
if higher prices were not given. If so, then the fortify
the data on which he had based his caleniati°refse'er
il
last ten or twelve years were correct; and tbeeiihtfo
less you increased your prices, you had 0° right
Or"
pect increased importations. All he would say
was a most unfair, a most unwise thing for 0:01 °:eoit'
:attempt to say that the experience we bade", get" 0,
trade presented a satisfactory solution of she teeee.
He denied this was so. He was not contel't:eoorloq
years 1848-49 as a lair criterion of the sver7sties re'
wheat in tuture, when they saw, whatever P; bell/
in distress, that the working classes were
that they were a few years ago.—(No.) of p° The
bers did not pay regard to returns, he kneta-gteo'
criterion by which the question could be l'eseot 'at arifi
returns from the poor-law unions, which Yif2io r 3
control or influence of Government, and tr-relie,e
thorities, were the authorities on which Ijo eel haPriser,
any better could be produced, be would u„)s.os,dre
adopt them; but till that was done he otstare-rag Viet°,
we had. Whatever might be the defects oVirotO'f
whatever the consequenees which had flowc„- copied °
kPiniegedso—mstwilelirehehetmaintained
every the
rwesoprkecintgarow.oa,.or
Mr. HERRIES said that the debate
would
-obefe t°elo,,,Derfl
tile in admissions, he hoped they wom- 0.
common agreement on the subject. Tbe `",:e
(Mr. Haste) said that if the present s'e;to
continued for three years he would b,e"-sll3o9.'CoAtiiiii
tiouist, while another Hon. Member (IY,lr.of 08,010:41
ilt) would have obketal to the repeal -,eas r'',"fev's
laws,for the
on the ground that a protective ChltY 0f O; Re`l
the agricultural interest, by reason, that,,o el
burdens to which it was subjected. t
very essence of protection.—(Cheers.) That it
they claimed, namely an indemnification 0' 10%04
burdens. The Hon. Gentleman who srdc,heate slee;"4- PI;
into a very el iborate statement to show 11°'
woOleees t es 4
the times were now depressed, they. es IT Ade
bAtsr, by which he meaut better P6e-'yolvee-001"01
ever such inconsistency, seeing that the gr,oo rt,po!:,o
of those who advocated a free trade in -Gove'esiP,"
prices and abundance of food. That the ad-
-10 t° 'OO 0,1
should withhold their consent et e
before the House, he confessed b° coo lisne
prised, recollecting as he did that 00 at tba 7'4'o
morable occasion the Noble Lord aof 13°,i rt•
of the Government proposed a fixed dut6llol
Joe
fs(str,i
answer given upon the subject by the g., Iller
delegates who recently waited on him The Dl°.• 0, Pre
/terries 's) opinion, wholly inconclusive. -teeratioaed 0,
eonsluto 01,04'0
said teat without going into other
posing the price of corn to be 585., 5 111,W, u it; 113 0,,°,1
duce the average to 50s. would be well resise..o' ;•,e
if the price were 42e., the law which wellainerab%ti.e.
425. to 50s. would be ill taken. But he ri° gs•
the Noble Lord at the time he proposes' nooly e Wed
mitted his opinion to be thatwitiseeests tleectiete
muaeratieg price for corn. Thes46"`-he so ° •"oreo
demanded 50s. Why then should there at eliteot
to relieve the agricultural interest to tb"elow eibefirel
raise !he price of corn to 500., being 6s. As for;o0e5,00
Nuide Lord admitted was a lair price.
totally "leo 'oi
sect law being only an experiment, he ,soolobess,es
vAiseitblecsumpeonintre
ag forcei,c
from the proposition. Almost from t"atfots 0010
s to I°, 0°
All that was new done was ititury
to confide in the prophecies of to clo otis
hee
but he, :or one, wes certainly indispo•o°..t,, hods
cause the vast prophecies of the sieue PT 000%00 oe
fulfilled. He believed there were n°o corn )
ultiutsralckiPult°err3esbtise net .thi,eitee° :cebe;
Pointed with the results of free trade in....A(00'000
office who, if he could have foreseen tb
or the sie
bateilvioeevaerals( that there thmeraesuLess ntobtenlasePlevr•ess°?-ffienet:tel°llll;l
measure, would have had the courage; %or; re'
floss, to have supported it. Wit hin rtti prole,
its operation the prices of agricu tu 0 .
Wien 20, 25, aye, 30 per cerit. gyre "