The Sun.
London, England, 1850-02-01 00:00:00

THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.

In reply to Mr. ADDEKLEY,
Mr. HA IN ES stated that the Order in Council
making the Cape a renal settlement had been re-
voked ; that instructions had Loan sent out for
the transport ship Neptune to proceed t 3 Van Die-
men's Land; and that there was no foundation
whatever in the reports or rumours which had got abroad
respecting the dismissal of Sir Harry Smith from the
Governorship ot the Cape.

ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
On the motion cf Lord J. RUSSELL it was ordered
that the House at its rising should adjourn until Monday
next.

bESSIONAL .
The sessional orders were theOn putRDERS seriatim from the
Chair, and agreed to with the exception of that resolu•
tion which prevented Members from moving an amend-
ment on the order of the day, which was postponed for
future consideration at the suggestion of Mr. Hume.
On the question that the postponed order be agreed to,
Mr. HUME observed, that although he originally
prepared the order, it was under the impression that it
would operate for the public good. It had,
however, had a different tiled ; it had tended
rather to impede than to promote the progress
of measures or the convenience of Honourable Members,
_
and ho would therefore suggest, now that they had had
two years' experiecce of its inoperativeness, that they
should return to the old plan and amend this order ac-
cordingly.
Mr. E. DENISON did not agree with the Hon. Mem-
ber for Montrose that the order had proved inoperative or
inconvenient ; on the contrary, he thought the
experience of the two years had proved it to
be a most ui eful rule. Could anything be more
inconvenient or calculated more to obstruct the business
of thu House than that it should be impossible for in-
dividual Members to know beforehand what the subject
of di,cuesion was to be?—(Hear, hear.) Well then, this
order altogether obviated that inconvenience, and he did
trust that the house would persevere in supporting this
order, which, there could be no doubt, had generally
worked well for the advantage of public business.
Mr. HENLEY thought the House was yet scarcely
in a lit state to discuss this question, coining as it did so
sudienly upon it.
Mr. HUME said it was the object of his motion to
deter the discussion of

Lord J. RUSSEL, L thought this rule, as it at present
stood, wai productive
.of great inconvenience. It was
the former practice cf the House, when there was an
order of the day to be considered, for the order of the
day to be read, and although the Speaker put it formally
from the chair, it was not supposed that it was advisable
to interpose any motion re attng to any other subject;
but an abuse of that kind had crept into the practice,
chiefly emanating from the Hon. Member for Mon-
truce himse:l. (Laughter). That practice was at last
found so incctivenient, that the Lion. Gentleman, who

was the author of the abuse, proposed the resolution
which was now the subject of discussion. He (Lord J.
Russell) submitted that the House bad better continua
the present arrangement,—(Cheers.)
Mr. HERRIES was understood to express himself in
favour of the Hon. Member for Montrose's motion.
Sir R. H. INGLIS thought that though it was some-
what early for that House to take into consideration the
benefits or the disadvantages of a sessional order, he yet
deemed it advisable to entertain the motion as speedily
as possible, for it appeared very evident that the order
had worked satisfactorily for th• dispatch of business
in former years. That was the real question which
the House was now called upon to dispose of, and he
believed that nine-tenths of the Members would agree
with bim, that the more time was economised the better
would it be for them and the country.—(Loud cheers.)
He did, theiefore, hope that this question would be dis-
posed of before another year was wasted.—(Hear.)
Mr. HORSEMAN said that ttreTquestion was not
whether the motion of the Hon. Member fbr Montrose
(Mr. Hume) should be disposed of, but whether it should
be adjourned forlconsideration. The fact was, that in-
stead of one motion or one resolution, the Hon. Member
had proposed a series of resolutions, and it was almost
impossible to-say what effect the adoption of his motion
would have upon the others, which were not
named. The House was, in fact, taken by surprise.
The Honourable Member for Montrose had dis-
tinctly stated that this resolution was only on
experiment, and he thought that the effect of that expc-
rimer t ought to be ascertained before they took any
step further.—(llear, hear.)
Mr. BROTHERTON had always been anxious, as
the House well knew, to forward the public business.—
(Cries ( f " Divide, divide.")
Hr. HUME would only say a few words before the
House divided. His only object was to forward the dis-
patch of the public business of the country—(Hear,
hear) —but session after session bad passed
without any step in advance being made.
He should be prepared to make a proposition, that when
any Member thought fit to move an amendment he
should be required to give previous notice of it, that the
House might know the business before it, and the time
wjaich ought to be devoted to the interests of the people
should not be wasted.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the adjournment .. 81
Against it ... ... 151
Majority
Mr. HUME said he was the individual who submitted
the proposition to the House for adoption, not as a per-
manent measure but as an experiment, in order to see in
what manner every possible fecility for the complaints
of !the people being laid before the House could he
afforded, and in his conscience he believed it had had
that effect. If they went on as they did at present,
the time would come when the Ministers would
be the only pasties who would be enabled
lo speak. They had an opportunity of
making a House whenever they liked, and
when any unpleasant or disagreeable motion was brought
on, in nine cases out of ten they could either prevent the
House being formed, or clear the House, and then have
a " count out."

The resolution was then agreed to.
The remaining resolutions were then agreed to.
ADJOURNED DEBATE ON THE ADDRESS.
On the order of the day being read for resuming the
adjourned debate on the Address,
The Marquis of GRANBY said, in the observations
which he should feel it his duty to make on the motion
and amendment before the House he should confine him-
self entirely to that paragraph in her Majesty's gracious
Speech to which the amendment was directed. He
thought it would be generally admitted by the House
that it wou!cl be possible for his Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for Lincoln, and those who entertained similar views,
to agree to that paragraph in the Speech of her
Majesty ,Aithout moving an amendment to it.
That paragraph stated that her Majesty bad
great 'satisfaction in congratulating the House
on the improved condition of commerce and manufac-
tures; and it went on to say that her Majesty regretted
that seine distress prevailed among the owners and occu-
piers of land. Now, when it was remembered that these
complaints did not proceed solely from the occupies
and:ewners of land, it did seem to hinithat therewas an in-

tentio non the part of her Majesty's Government to insult
and annoy an important part of her Majesty's subject?. He
did think the moverof the address would have assured the
House that that language was not intentional, and that
it was an oversight on tha part of her Majesty's Govern-
ment, at least, though there might not be an intention
among them to extsnd any measure of relief to the
agricultural interest.
Bat what did they hoar from the Hon. Gentleman oppc-
site (Mr. Villiers) when he came to this fact. The Noble

Lord then read the passage saying that the Hon. Member
had repeated with a sneer that passage of the Royal Speech.
He believed, however, that the distress t.f the miners and
occupiers of land would receive not only the sympathy of
the members of this country, but of the country at large
—not only for themselves but because every thinking
man must know that they could not be destroyed without
their labourers.—(Protectionist cheers) And the
Chancellor t f the Exchequer had admitted th at the
agricultural labourers participated in that distress. He
admitted also that the distress fell more heavily upon
the small tenant-farmerr, and he believed he was
correct.—(Hear, hear, and cbeere.) And allow him to
remind the House cf the large number of tenant-farmers
According to Mr. Spackman's tables the number of
tenant farmers of England, including that of Ireland,
was equal to every male above twenty years of age
employed in every apt cies of manufacture in ths
country.—(Protectionist cheers.) They were also a
c!ais which had ever proved loyal to the Sove-
reign (Loud cheers) and ever ready and
foremost to defend the constitution ,of the country.
It hai been said that the great distress which now ex-
isted was to be attributed mainly to an over-abundant
harvest ; ;but could it be denial that the importation of

ten millions and a half of grain had f)rced down prices t
the extent to which they had fallen ? Last year the harres
' was not an over good one, and then they were told thi t
the distress which unfortunately exited was the result
of a deficient harvest.—(Hear, hear.) Now he wished
to know under what circumstances tit agricultural
interest was to be prosperous ?—(Hear.) Large
meetings had lately been held throughout the country
in the north, _south, east, and west, at which agricul-
turalists and learners attended, and though no
doubt there was a great variety of opinion,
it was the consequence of the different posi-
tions which they occupied in the country.
But at all these meetings there were present men who
said, that under the present system the cultivation of the
land must ever prove an unreruuneratire occupation.
—(Hear, hear.) They distinctly told them that no
reduction of rent, no partial remedial measures, how-
ever beneficial, could possibly save them from
the effect of the disadvantages which were now weigh-
ing them down. He, therefore, did ask them to
listen to the complaints cf these men ; and he did
hope that those complaints would not all be made in
vain.—(Hear, hese.) He had observed that a passage
in her Majesty's Speech stated that great advaetsge had
aecrued to the labouring classes through the re-
duction of the prices of food and clothing, and the
other necessaries of life. That passage he would
read. The Noble Marquis having read the
passage, proceeded to say that without attempt-
ing for a moment to question the value of such
a principle, a great, and very possibly a fatal
mistake, would bo made in estimating the
labourer's condition if they did not take into consider-
ation the amount of wages which he received; and looking
at that condition he did not hesitate to say that the la-
bourer's condition was worse now than it had been before.
But those who are employed at reduced wages are
worse off than ever they were. But that is not all;
it is not only those who are thus employed
who are worse off, bu it is those who are unem
ployed. Whet I heard the Right Honourable
Gentleman last night reading extracts from
the report of the poor -law guardians, I could
not but remember that at a meeting at Wal-
tham, which I attended the other day, I heard far-
mers get up ono after another and say they had done
all they could to keep their labourers in employ, but they
could do it no longer, and even if they could employ
them they had no money to pay them with. What was
the use of comparing the last 3 ear with 1848, that had
been a seaso of distress in the manufacturing as well as
in the agricultural districts, they should have corx -
pared it with 1845, and again accurately ta
calculate the amount of distress, they should take into
account those who were employed upon the roads on the
country, for he perceived that it was a growing practice
among farmers to send their labourers on the roads
instead of sending them to the workhouse. The Hon.
Member then proceeded to re ad an extract from the
letters which have lately appeared in the Morning
Chronicle, in which it was stated that it was no uncom-
mon prate for vagrants to cammit petty thefts
in order to get a week's Aare lodging.—(Hear.)
They were willing to work hardiebut work could not be
ha i and food, covering area firing could not
be obtained without labour. It was an un-
healthy state of things that could not exist.
He (the Marquis of Granby) agreed with every word
of that statement, and asserted that the great de-
sideratum cf the age was to employ the people.—
(Hear, hear.) If they turned to Ireland, the same
state of things would be found to exist. The number of
deaths that had taken place in that county from star
ration was frightful in the extreme, hut it was
the effect of bad legislation, and othing else.
He admitted the prosperity of manufacturg and he was.
sure evrey Member of the House would rejoice at it • bni
it was necessary to look into the origin and springs' of
that prosperity. He doubted much whether it would
to of a permanent character. Foreign trade
had largely increased, but the home trade was in a state
of complete stagnation . It should be remembered that
before this prosperity they had had had a long depres-
sion and continued convulsions on the Continent, and
to the removal of these causes and diseovery
of California he attributed our existing prosperity.
The Noble Marquis read a letter from a large manu-
facturer in Sheffield, stating that at pre: eat many trades
men in that town, were unable to meet their bills from the
existing depression in their trade. He thought then there
was no such great prosperity in the home trade ef
this country as had been been represented; and he
feared that the agricultural interest in this
country, on which that home trade mainly depended,
would, under the existing laws, go on from time to time
declining, until both the manufacturing and agricultural
interests were eventually ruined.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

MANCHESTER.—STATE OF TRA.DII, THURSDAY.—
The market here I, ft 3 been quiet since Tuesday, but,we
have no change to note in the price of either cloth cr
yarn. There are five mills about to be erected at

THE LONDON GAZETTE.

(THIS EVENING.)

WINDSOR CASTLE, JAN. 30, 1850.
The Queen was this day pleased to confer the: honour
of Knighthood upon Thomas Noon Talfourd, Esq., one
of the Judges of her Majesty's Court of Common Ploto.