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[ADTERTLSEMENT.]
THE SUGAR QUESTION.

The Sugar Bill is to be brought forward, this evening
and I call on all Members of the House to give the mat-
ter only one moment's reflection, and they will agree with
the Chancellor, that it is an important question.
The consumers should now have cheaper sugar, parti-
cularly as the revenue can afford the trial, and the re-
venue may benefit by the change, which would give us a
large amount from the produce of countries which now
give nothing.
Why should not the poor man have his sugar for
feurpence, instead of sixpence or sevenpence per pound?
And the sugars of all nations would be required—of
course, a foreigner paying a higher duty than our own
colonies. Indeed, our own colonies should only pay a
nominal duty of ls. or 2s. per cwt., and not make a chief
requisite of life the mode of obtaining so large an amount
of revenue, for it is felt chiefly by the poor. But to the
point. Lordl John Russell has given notice of his amend-
ment on the question, which will not even be listened to.
But I warrant him, that if he w ill read this, and call to
his aid all his machinery, he will carry his measure, and
receive the support of every interest—colonist, foreigner,
the trade, shipowner, and, in fact, every trade. Let
him give immediate notice, and there is ample time for
all to show if they do not take this view of the measure.
lie cannot carry his present amendment—it injures too
many interests, and will scarcely be noticed.
When you wish to carry an important point, let every
interest derive advantage from the change—injure none,
and you do away with opposition.
I am practically experienced on the point, and never
saw a better opening. Sugar reduced from sixpence to
feurpence per pound for the poor man, will increase
the consumption of Ireland and Scotland materially,
where they scarcely see it now. Even the cattle may
be fed on molasses at the duty I propose ; and as the
consumption is so great in India and the islands pro-
ducing it, so will it be here, if they can get three pounds
for one shilling, instead of two pounds. The adultera-
tion would be done away with, which is said to be (in
the last price-current) 100 tons per week in London—
thus injuring the article it is mixed with and also the
revenue. Why is the consumption of sugar only the
same now that it was fifteen years ago, and the popula-
tion 15 per cent. more ? Because the price is the same
and adulteration going on to a great extent, and the
question of duty always on the tapis.
The produce of the British possessions this year will
be 200,000 tons, which we should use with no change of
duty, and thus the revenue, with all sweets, would be
5,500,0001. Next year the produce of India will be
greater, and of Mauritius, owing to the import of hill
coolies there. And why cramp our West India colonies
and prohibit them being sent there. Demerara, Ja-
maica, and all our islands, would thrive if free emigra-
gration was allowed, and why prohibit it any more than
from this country to all the world ? Appoint Govern-
meat Emigration Officers, as in this country, to license
and inspect emigration ships, and the people would go
into a land of comfort, and b© brought in many instances
to Christianity ; at any rate, would be more useful
members of the community, and likely to improve. See
the vast increase in all trades by such a measure. Why
grant the boon to one colony, and not to all P This
would be the grand death-blow to slavery and the slave
trade.
I propose that Lord John Russell gives notice at once,
and thus give timely notice to the country and his
friends that the consumer be considered, as the revenue
can afford the trial, and may gain instead of lose, if not
in sugar, by the increased consumption of other articles.
It is a grand trial, and may be the means of giving
future Ministers the power of raising two or three
millions of revenue with much ease.

We now pay the War duty, and we ought to are it
changed.
Propose that the duty be reduced on--
British plantation to 101. per ton, would give .£2,000,600
Foreign do. to 30/. per ton-60,000 to 70,000
tons would be required this year; say
50,000 at SOL
British do. Molasses, at 2s. per cwt. .£150,000
_ _

Foreign do. do., at 12s. per 150,000
Other sweets

£4,000,000

Yours, respectfully,
A PHILANTHROPIST.

RATHER MYSTERIOUS.—" Now, Jack," said the
printer of a country newspaper, in giving directions to
his apprentice, " put the Irish Attorney-General and
the State prosecutors into the galleys, and lock them up ;
let the two Members for Liverpool have larger heads ;
distribute the Army in Ireland; take up a line and finish
Ferrand and the Anti-Corn-law League, and make the
Prince of Wales to run on with the Dowager Lady
Lyttelton ; move the Melton Mowbray hunt out of the
chase ; get your stick, and conclude the horrid murder
that Tom began last night ; after, which, come in to
dinner, and see that all the pie is cleared up." An
(Epidus may be found in any printing office to explain
this enigma.—Cork Southern Reporter.
ESCAPE OF A SLAVE GIRL.--The following inte-
resting particulars of the escape of a slave girl, and her
preservation from a painful and lingering death at
sea in an open boat, is taken from a Cape of Good
Hope paper, received by the last arrival :—" The
Woodlark, Captain W. Hardie, reports, that on
Tuesday, March 21, 1843, whilst cruising off
Alatabello Isles, in the Banda Sea, in quest of
sperm whales, she observed a canoe about three miles
distant, with one person in it paddling towards us, and
sent a boat with some bread and water and a few green
cocoa-nuts. At sunset the boat got up with the canoe.
There was only one person, a New Guinea girl, in it, who
jumped into our boat immediately- it got alongside the ca-
noe, and pointed to a cocoa-nut, which was given to her
with some water. There was nothing in the canoe but a
a small piece of salt fish, two paddles, and two fish spears.
The boat towed the canoe alongside, we hoisted ite ains,
put clean clothing upon the poor creature, offered her
a glass of wine, which sho refused till the captain
tasted it before her, after which she drank
mid seemed to revive immediately, and ate a hearty
off,
y'
supper of fried fish, bread, and tea. We triedaral
we could to bring her into conversation with us in the
Malay language, but she never sp..ke during the 10 days
she was on board, but seemed highly pleased with the
attention paid her, and particularly with the dresses
we made her. We supposed her to be a runaway
slave. She pointed to the island of Tehar, as the one
to which she belonged, but being asked in the Malay
tongue if she wished to return to her isle again, shook
her head, and pointed to the island of Coram, as if
she wished to be there, where we landed her. The
Rajah of the place promised to treat her kindly, and he
and his lady seemed very fond of her, and said they
would keep her as a household servant; for which he was
presented with a bottle of gunpowder, six yards:of calico,
and some coarse cutlery. When asked by the Rajah's
lady, Khat made her leave the island, she stated that the
cruelty of her father and brothers made her leave, that
when she left she did not expect to live, and did not care
. what became of her."

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
110 USE OF LORDS, May 23.
ROYAL COMMISSION.
The Royal Assent was given today to the Eastern
Counties Railway Bill (No. 1), to the Eastern Coun-
ties Railway Bill (No. 2), to the Selby and York
Railway Bill, to the Souths Eastern Extension Rail-
way Bill, to the Furness Railway - -Bill, to the
Darlington Junction Railway Bill, to the Hartle-
pool Dock and Harbour Bill, to the Coal s'Wning
Company's Bill, and several Inclosure and Naturaliza-
tion Bills. e „Las:
The Lord Commissioners 7ei,leiel'the Archbishop o
Canterbury, the Lord Chancelloe, andSthe Earl e
Shaftesbury.
Their Lordships re-assembled itt'ive Oelock.
The Earl of GALLOWAY preepnted a petition from
Glasgow, in favour of the Bill lately 'introduced by the
Bishop of Exeter for the suppression of brothels.
Lord BEAUMONT presented' petitions from York-
shire in favour of protection to agriculture.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a gen-
tleman named Henry Archer, against the Cluster and
Holyhead Railway ; also a petition against the Brighton
and Chichester Railway Bill.
Messengers from the Commons brought up certain Bills.
Lord DENMAN presented a petition from certain
ministers of the Gospel, praying for the abolition of
saths in certain cases.
The Criminal Law Amendment Bill went through
Committee, after some observations from the Loan,
CHANCELLOR and Lord CAMPBELL.
Lord LYTTELTON presented a petition from
Newark-upon-Trent against the Debtors and Creditors
Bill.
LANCASTER AND CARLISLE RAILWAY BILL.
On the motion that the amendments of the Conunoas
to this Bill be agreed to, some discussion took place, iti
which Lord BROUGHAM and the Marquis of CrsiNat-
CARDE joined, the former deprecating the provisions of
the Bill, and the latter supporting them.
Lord CAMPBELL thought that there could be no
doubt that the clause had been improperly introduced,
and ought to be abandoned. It was not introduced
in the Committee on bringing up the report, but oh
its third reading. It was not in the power of the Com-
pany to procure permission for his Noble and Learned
Friend to erect gates across the Queen's highway, and
that, too, upon the great north road. He appealed to the
Noble Earl, the Chairman of Committees, who was a
most meritorious public officer, whether it was the prac-
tice of the House to introduce such a clause upon a third
reading without notice ?
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said that it was not
the practice of late years to introduce such clauses on to
third reading ; but it was competent for any Noble
Lord to move the addition of such a clause if he thought
proper. But if these gates were to be at a distance of
three-quarters of a mile from the railway, the clause
would be, in common parlance, delves the Bill, and could,
not be admitted.
The Earl of DEVON recommended that the Liu
should stand over until after the recess. In the mean-
time some compromise might take place, and hie Noble
and Learned Friend might get, if not exactly what he
wanted, at least something to satisfy him.
Lord BROUGHAM was perfectly ashamed to detain
their Lordships upon what might appear a personal an-t
trumpery matter relating to himself ; but he thought
that the way in which he had been trepanned into giving
up his opposition to the Bill was a matter of public.,
importance. Ile complained that no intimation
had been given to him of the course which had been
adopted that evening with respect to this Bill. His
Noble Friend near him said it was exceedingly hard that,
any body should suppose this was a personal or party'
motive. Now, he (Lord Brougham) would like to know
if this Bill had not been opposed by him, whether there
would have been all this noise and fuss about it? Would
Noble Lords near him have taken so much interest in
the measure ? It was absurd to think of such a thing.
The Marquis of CLANRICAIIDE indignantly denied
that he had been actuated by any party or personal
motive in the course which he had taken with respect to.
this measure. The Noble Lord complained of being:
taken by surprise, yet the Noble and Learned Lord bath
allowed Monday and Tuesday to pass without making
any motion upon the subject. The insinuation which
the Noble and Learned Lord had indulged in, ens one
which no other Learned Lord would have dared to put
forth. He begged pardon if he had used an
unparliamentary phrase, but lie would say, that.
a more unfavourable insinuation had never been made ;
and he could assure the House that it would not have
the effect of deterring him (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
from doing his duty.
Lord BROUGHAM could not allow the insinuations
thrown out by the Noble Marquis to pass without obser-
vation. He had made no charge against the Noble
Marquis ; all that he had said was, that the extraordi-
nary zeal that had been displayed with respect to this
measure gave it an air of suspicion.
The Earl of RAI)NOR could not but think that their
Lordships were placed in a most awkward position.
The question now was, whether their Lordships would
agree to the amendments of the Commons, or adjouris
the debate. He had heard rumours of Noble Lords:
making terms with railroads, but he had never heard a
proposition put forward that a question should be ad -
journed in order that a Noble Lord might make tertata
with a railroad.—(Hear, hear.) What was all that had
taken place for but to enable the Noble and Learned,
Lord to make a better bargain than be had made?—
(Hear.) He could not believe that the Houle wou'll
adopt the proposition that had been laid before it.
The Duke of WELLINGTON felt bound to say a
few words on this question. He thought that his Noble
and Learned Friend opposite was acting rightly in the
course he had pursued. lied he any interest in this
matter except upon public grounds? No, he had not ;
but it was his duty to come forward and see that the
public were protected. That, he apprehended, was the
pesition in which his Noble and Learned Friend stoods,
and what had been asked was, that this matter should:
be postponed for twenty-four hours, in order that an as-
rangement might be made which would be beneficial, to
the public.
Lord BROUGHAM said that the object of his oppo-
sition was to have these gates erected, by which the:
public road would bo improved.
Lord MONTEAGLE contended that there was too
pretence whatever for putting up these gates, and us-gedi
upon the House the necessity of refusing to accede to
the proposition which had been made to postpone this
measure. He contended that it would be most benefi-
cial to the public to have this measure passed as speedily
as possible. Although the delay which had been asked
for was only twenty-four hours, yet practically this
would be a delay of a week. He had no interest in this,
matter, but he trusted, on public grounds, that th‘eir
Lordships would at once pass the measure.
Lord BROUGHAM explained,
The Marquis of SALISBURY supported the motion
for postponement. He thought there were sufficient
grounds for recommitting the Bill.
Lord MONTEAGLE—The Bill has been read a third
time.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said it was still in,
the power of their Lordships to recommit the Bill.
Lord BROUGHAM—I shall move for a Committee..
The Marquis of SALISBURY—I move that this ae•
bate be now adjourned.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE—That is the mo-
tion which is already before the House, and the Noble
Marquis is of course out of order.
The Marquis of SALISBURY—As the Noble Lord
is so particular about the order of this House, I think it
would be as well if he would be more in order himself,
and not rise to speak six times on the same subject. -
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and their Lord-
ships divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against it
Majority
On our return to the gallery, we found
Lord BROUGHAM proposing that a Committee be-
appointed to inquire into the amendments to this Bill
which had been proposed by the House of Commons.
Lord MONTEAGLE said the house' of Commons.;
had made no amendments.
Lord BROUGHAM said the Committee could be Ara
pointed to consider the message from the Commons,
Earl FITZWILLIAM thou,ght they ought to know
what the Noble and Learned Lord. proposed to do in the
Committee.
Lord BROUGHAM said he had a case to make out ;.
but, of course, he could not go into detail then.
The Duke of RICHMOND suggested that the matter
should be referred to the Committee to which. 'originally
the Bill was referred.
After a short conversation,
Lord BROUGHAM consented to withdraw his oppo-
sition ; but he intimated that, when the parties pro-
moting this Bill should again come before Parliament,
he would look closely after them.—(Laughter.)
TheTh e mcoutsitoenm was
Bills then
waaysithrderadawa s-st -n.
ordered to be read a second timetime and was
(Nra 'Thursday next.
The Debtors and Creditors' Bill
,-
mittee. 'passed through Cum-
Messengers from the Commons brought up several
Bills, which were read a first by
Their Lordships theia,
.
WELLINGTON, adjourned till Thursday on 4:1:el-notion of the Duke of
y next.

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HOUSE OF oommoNs, May 23.
The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
ROYAL COMMISSION.
The Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the bar and
summoned the House to the bar of the House of ',ants
to hear her Majesty's Commission read for giving the
Royal assent to certain. Bills (for which see Lords'
report).
The South Devon 'Railway Bill was read a third time
and passed.
Mr. GREENP, moved that all Railway Bills which
under Standinc, Order, No. 123, stand for further
._ consi-
deration deration on rfuesday next, be taken into consideration
nn Thursday the 30th day
HARWICH AND COLCHESTER RAILWAY
Major BERESFORD moved that the Harwich Rail-
wayof may.—Agreed
BILL
acid Pier, and the Colchestedr atond
the ?.aid Committee;
thirearwforicmher(NCoOm2)
Railway Bills, be recommitte-
mittee, with instructions to
they think
that they have power to rescind thee, ir former resolu-
tion on the preamble of the two Bills,
I fit ; and to consider the expedier icy of consolidating
the said Bills, and amalgamating the Companies
promoting the same respectively, with power to carry
ointly into effect the undertaking :thereby contemplated,
in the manner agreed on between_ the two companies, or
in such other manner as, in the opinion of the Com-
mittee, would be beneficial to the public. He thought
it was of national importan .e that a railway
should bo constructed from ;London to Harwich.
Another reason why he thought tilis Bill should be re-
committed was the present state •of the money market.
In a different state of the money- :market, persons might
not be found to engage in such: a speculation. There
was besides a great deal of money expended, he believed
12,0001. in promoting the Bill,, vvl dch would be lost if
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the House did not allow the Bill to be recommitted. He
was not aware of any standing order which
would oppose its recommittal. He hoped, there-
fore, the house would not refuse his motion.
Mr. D. R. ROSS seconded the motion.
Sir G. SMYTHE supported the recommittal of the
Bill. He was satisfied, if the motion were granted, that
sufficient evidence would be adduced before the Commit-
tee to induce them to come to a different decision. He
did not blame the Committee for deciding as they had
upon the evidence which they had before them. It was
true there was not much traffic at present, but the Bill
would create traffic with foreign countries. The Hon.
Gentleman then presented two petitions from Colchester,
in favour of the recommittal.
Mr. TATTON EGERTON said, if the House had
heard as much about the matter as the Committee, they
would have come to the same determination, of throw-
ing out both Bills. There was no traffic to support
either line, and there was such gross jobbing in the
brh,ging forward of the matter that the Committee had no
chi but to reject both Bills. He thought they ought
to i•lstpone the consideration of the subject till next
session.
Mr. ROSS said he concurred in the unanimous deci-
sion of the Committee. He had heard nothing either in
public or private which tended to lead him to an oppo-
site conclusion.
Sir G. COCKBURN said he had come down to the
llouse impressed with the great importance of having a
railway to Harwich ; but after hearing the opinions
which had been expressed, he felt bound to concur in the
decision of the Committee.
Mr. Ji. HINDE said, having been on the Committee,
he had given a vote different from that of the Hon.
Members who had addressed the House. It appeared
very plainly that a railway between London and Har-
wich was an object of great national importance. Evi-
dente was given on the part of the Post-office to that
effect. Although many landowners appeared to op-
pose the Bill, there were no cases of peculiar hardship.
He could only say, that if both the Bills were sent back
to she Committee, he would give the proposals of each
party his best consideration.
Admiral DUNDAS suggested that a surveyor should
be sent from the Board of Admiralty for the purpose of
examining whether or not it was desirable that a line
should be constructed.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that if two parties were to be
allowed to obtain a fresh Committee after their Bills had
been rejected, there would be no end to such proceedings.
Mr. GLADSTONE opposed the motion. He asked,
what could be said to those private parties who had
opposed the Bill at great expense ? The House had
given a judicial decision on their case. It might be a
matter of regret that the parties had come to their
senses too late ; however, the responsibility of the post-
ponement rested with themselves.
Mr. P. M. STEWART said that if the Bills were not
now recommitted the parties would amalgamate out of
doors, and the refusal would only cause additional ex-
pense. He thought it would be carrying points of form
to a cruel length to qua h these Bills, and that too in
the absence of all opposition. It could not be denied
that the measure was one of great national importance,
and a mere point of form ought not to stand in its way.
Mr, LABOUCHERE said that the recommittal
would not be a mere departure from a point of form, but
a 'violation of all the rules of the House. It would be
better for the parties to withdraw their Bills, and next
year present to the House a measure to which Parlia-
ment could assent.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the recommittal of the
Bills.
Major BERESFORD was satisfied with the acknow-
ledgments upon all sides of the House of the national
importance of the harbour of Harwich, and hoped that he
would have the general support of the House next ses-
sion. He theret* re withdrew his motion.
BIRKENHEAD IMPROVEMENT.
Mr. RICE withdrew the motion of which ho had
given notice, for leave to the Committee on the Birken-
head Improvement Bill to make their report, till Friday
the 25th instant.
MANCHESTER POLICE BILL.
On the motion of Mr. MARK PHILIPS, the Man-
chester Police Bill was read a third time and passed.
VAUXHALL AND LAMBETH SUSPENSION
BRIDGE.
Mr. BERNARD presented a petition against the
Vauxhall and Lambeth Suspension Bridge Bill, which
was ordered to be referred to the Committee on the Bill.
SOUTHAMPTON IMPROVEMENT BILL.
The Southampton Improvement Bill was read a third
time, and passed..
HYTHE LANDING-PLACE BILL.
The Hythe Landing-place Bill was read a third time
and passed.

wards of 6002 a year, and at the present moment the
number of free scholars educated in that school did
not exceed nine. At the time he had given notice of
the motion they did not exceed six, and of those six one
was the son of the Vicar of Bangor, two others were
sons of wealthy gentlemen in the neighbourhood, and
the others were ions of wealthy tradesmen in Bangor.
TI ere were ten boys who ought to be upon the founda-
tion, but: who were educated solely in the national
schools. These boys received 2/. 6s. annually from
the charity, and they were made by the Dean
and Chapter of Bangor choristers of the Cathe-
dral. This was a gross violation of trust. It was
enactei that the master should exact nothing for
teaching the children, and yet all those who learned
writing or arithmetic paid 21. a-year more for
their instruetion, and those who learned French, paid
2/. for their instruction. The poor children of Bangor
received no benefit whatever from this charity.
The master of the union at the time the Commissioners
made their report, received 66/. per year, and
the usher 321 a year, over and above the house
and land which they possessed. In 1839, the salary of
the master was raised to 1001. a year, and that of the
usher to 50/. At the moment the Dean and Chapter
were raising the salary of the usher of the
school, he was the curate of a populous parish,
seventeen miles long, and containing 20,000 inha-
bitants. The usher let out his house to lodgers.
The dean and chapter gave him leave to absent him-
self from his duties ; and at the present moment he
never entered the school, nor rendered any assistance.
To show the reason why the number of scholars bad
fallen off, he would mention that ,the free scholars had
been treated with the grey test hardship. They were
excluded from the play-ground, and they had no place to
retire to in cold weather, but were seen huddled
under the door-ways like drowned rats. When they were
guilty of certain faults they were placed in the cathedral
church of Bangor to do penance. The object was to de-
prive the poor of the benefits derived from the school, and
that object was gained. It appeared from the returns that
the annual surplus of the funds ought tobe 224/., but, in
fact, there was no surplus, and he called on the House to
inquire into the state of those funds. He called on the
Right Hon. Baronet to give facilities to remedy such
abuses as he described here. The Hon. Gentleman con-
cluded by reading his motion.
Mr. HUME seconded the motion.
Colonel PENNANT defended the manner in which
the school had been conducted, and the expenditure con-
nected with it. What the Hen. Member had stated re-
garding the treatment of a boy, was, he had been assured
in a letter from the Dean of Bangor, which he had re-
ceived that day, much exaggerated. The boy had
been refractory, and was accordingly expelled, but not
without the concurrence of the Dean and Chapter. He
vc ould oppose the motion.
Sir GEORGE GREY rose for the purpose of press-
ing upon the Right Hon. Gentleman the necessity of ap-
pointing a tribunal for the investigation of such cases.
Educational trusts should be administered in a different
manner from what they were at present. He (Sir G.
Grey) was about to introduce a Bill on the subject, but
the Attorney-General bad assured him, on a previous
occasion, that it was the intention of the Government to
introduce a Bill on the subject. This, however, had not
been done, although the Attorney-General himself
admitted there were great abuses in the present system,
and that there were more than a million of pounds at the
disposal of those trustees. He hoped the Government
would now give some positive assurance on the subject.
Mr. HUME likewise pressed ou the House the neces-
sity of legislation in this matter. The Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment had himself admitted that there were immense
funds connected with the educational trusts, a great por-
tion of which were either misappropriated or not ap-
plied at all to the purpose for which they were intended.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the matter which had been in-
troduced by the lion. Gentleman, the mover, was, as
had been rightly observed by the Right Hon. Baronet
opposite, the Member for Devonport, not a matter for
investigation in this House. The question introduced
was really one for the decision of a court of equity. Two
sessions ago bee certainly had observed upon the neces-
sity of legislative interference in the disposal of these
trusts, and he was still most anxious to remedy the de-
fects which existed. But all interference in these trusts
must be limited by two things, first, by the intentions of
the original testator, and secondly, by Judicial decisions
on the subject. Within these limits he was most
anxious that efficient legislation should take place. He
had that day spoken to the Lord Chancellor on the sub-
ject, and he was happy to assure the House that it was
the intention of that Noble and Learned Lord to intro-
duce into the upper House of Parliament a measure
going much further than the simple registration alluded
to.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped after this declaration that
the Hon. Gentleman would not press his motion to a
division.
After a few words from Mr. BERKELY and Mr.
liienauns, the motion was withdrawn.
EXPENSES OF ORDERS OF THE GARTER, &c.
Mr. HUME then moved that an address be presented
to her Majesty, that she will be grackusly pleased to
give directions that, whenever her Majesty shall grant
tie honour of the peerage, or baronetcy, or knighthood,
or order, for eminent public services, no fee shall be
charged thereon. Two thousand pounds in fees had
been paid last year, when honours were conferred on
officers of the army and navy, and 5001. was paid
when the Order of the Garter was bestowed
upon the King of Prussia. He did not mean
to question, in the slightest degree, the" wishes
of the Sovereign, but these honours should be conferred so
that the public should not have to bear the expense.
When honours were granted they ought not to be made
burdensome to the individual. He recollected on one
occasion that a gallant gentleman declared he had re
ceived an honour one day, and the next a bill of 1301
was sent in to him, which he said he would not pay, and
the honours might be kept from him. He should like
to know from the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether
the recommendations of the Commissioners on this sub-
ject would be carried out. It was absurd that the people
of England should be taxed for the honours done to
others.—(Hear, hear.) lie had no objections that per-
sons not having performed public service should be
taxed for the honours they received. But when honours
were conferred on persons engaged in the public service
no charge ought to be made. The Attorney-General
got the principal share of the fees paid for these honours,
but he thought the time was come for putting an end to
them. He thought it would be well to inquire into the
system adopted in the Herald's-office, and the right by
hich they imposed these fees.
Mr. WILLIAMS seconded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the fees paid to those public officers were paid by
law, and the Crown had no power to inter-
fe re with their emoluments. The Crown had
the prerogative of granting honours to those
whom it thought deserving of them, and when the
civil list existed the Crown paid the expenses of the fees
attendant on granting those honours. But when the
constitution of the civil list was altered, the nation took
on itself the payment of the expenses. He thought this
was an advantage, because it gave an additional weight
to the honour conferred when it received the appro-
bation of Parliament. He was perfectly disinterested in
opposing the motion, because, of all the officers of the
Crown the Chancellor of the Exchequer contributed
more in the way of fees than any other. He had himself
to take out four patents, for which he had to pay. He
wai far from saying that some change might not be
adopted in the present sy stem. But for the legal reasons
h.. had stated, namely, that the Crown could not inter-
fere with the fees of those officers, he was sure that the
house would not consent to the motion of the Hon. Gen-
tleman, and he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would be him-
s-lf disposed to withdraw it.
Mr. WILLIAMS said the Right lion. Gentleman had
shown no reason for those charges, except that they
w are maintainable by Act of Parliament. But he
should like to know from the Right lion. Gentleman
what Act of Parliament warranted such payments as
20/. to the Dean and Canons of Windsor tor granting
the Order of the Garter to the King of Prussia; 201. to
tle: Usher of the Black Rod; 11/. to the church of Wind-
sor as an offering; and other charges, amounting alto-
gether to 4391. 3s. 4d. ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained that it was not the statute law but the common
law according to which those charges were made.
Mr. WILLIAMS said lie should then like to know
hat decisions of Judges there were on such questions.
he Right Hon. Gentleman had not satisfied him on
this head, and he should therefore support the motion.—
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr. CHRISTIE rose to bring forward his motion re-
specting the management of the Universities, when
An HON. MEMBER moved that the House be counted,
and there being only 35 Members present, the House
adjourned a Quarter to Eight o'clock.

NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. _HOPE brought up certain papers relating to the
Colony of New Zealand, which were ordered to be
printed.

NOTICES OF MOTION.
lelr. FERRAND gave notice that, on the 30th of May,
he should move for copies of the correspondence which
had taken place between Mr. Ryder, the Chair-
man of the Chelsea Board of Poor-law Guardians,
and the Poor-law Commissioners, on the subject
.of the removal of a pauper from Kensington to Chelsea
while he was in a dying state.
.Dr. BOWRING gave notice that on Tuesday the 11th
&Lae, he should bring forward his motion on the sub-
ject ot. quarantine.
The eloet. MEMBER also gave notice that in the Com-
mittee on the Isle of Man Customs Bill, he should
-move for the total abolition of the licensing system.
Mr. E WART gave notice of a motion on the subject
.of establishing libraries in large towns.
Mr. WARD gave notice that he should, on the 11th
of June, bring forward his motion on the subject of the
Irish Church.
Mr. VILLIERS gave notice that he should, on the
11th of June, bring forward a motion on the subject of
the corn-laws.
CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.
On the motion of Mr. HUME, the following was
,ordered—Address (ordered 4th March, 1844,) for Ab-
'elute of the number of men belonging to the Royal
I'f -rifles who, since the Ist day of January, 1839, to the
31se eiay of December, 1843, have suffered corporal pu-
nise meut or imprisonment ; showing the nature of
offs-at:es, In classes, for which such punishment
ha:, been awarded, and the number in each class ; and
showing the greatest number and the smallest number
arf lashes, also the longest and shortest perioi of cone
tfineineut awarded as punishment to each person, and
the average period of confinement for each class of of-
-fences ; of the number of soldiers belonging to the
:Royal Artillery in Great Britain and Ireland
-who, betweeh the Ist day of January, 1839, and
• the 31st day of December, 1843, have suf-
Leered. corporal punishment or imprisonment, showing
-ihe tenure of the offences, in classes, for which such
.ecorporal punishment or imprisonment has been awarded,
itnd the number in each class, and showing also the
%neatest and the smallest number of lashes, also the
jenest and shortest period of confinement awarded
1.,s ip,lnishment, and the average period for each class
0 offences. Return of the number of soldiers, belong-
ng' vs regiments and depots in Great Britain and Ireland,
iwho, since the Ist day of January, 1839, have suffered
*ether corporal punishment or imprisonment; and, when-
ever, either corporal punishment or imprisonment has
hetet Infest .ed on the same person more than once,
spe„ifjieg how often it has been so inflicted; with ab-
stract of the number of soldiers, belonging to regiments
in the colonies am! possessions of Great Britain, who, in
each year since theist of Jan., 1839, have suffered corporal
rteliehmen tscod imprisonments ; showing the nature
.
.of ti.e otiences, in classes, for which such corporal punish-
er), et or impristenenent has been awarded, and the
enunbei 5 in each class ; stating also the greatest
lumber and the lowest numter of lashes in-
it c.e 0 .-
' , ed n an person in each rear, also the
100
%est and the shortest period of confinement awarded
es ' , seenlshment, and the average period of confine-
;e e 50,-each class in each year, of the number df
ol til
Since the Ist day of January, 1839, hare
s—l
i"ex s who,
stifeervsl corpora` i Punishment or imprisonment, and whe-
ther either corporal punishment or imprisonment has
person more than once, spe•
been, mffi eted on the same
cite hi bow often ee, has been so inflicted ; and distin-
gu. shiug numbers in re'egiments in the colonies and pos •
see sions a her Majesty, from regiments in depots
in G. eat Britain and Irelated •; of the corporal punish-
ments , 'neje; el in the Royal Ntsvy in each of the years
1t.39 to 1e43 both inclusive ; stating the highest and
lowest ne'‘inber of lashes at each time, and the aggregate
nnelber ot 'lashes in each year.
SAVINGS' BANKS BILL.
Mr. HUM E said he observed that the Savings' Banks
Mill stood on the paper for committal that evening ;
there were se. Wral returns not yet complete which lie
considered indeeeeensible to the discussion of the subject,
and he wished tk, Ask what course the Government in.
ff to pursue \ eith regard to it ?
UER said he
The CHANcIeieLOR of the EXCHEQ
would postpone the k`lommittec, and state on Friday after I SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.
"v, hitsuetide the day ,on which he would proceed with it. I FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
CUS'IOMS' DUTIES BILL. I GLOBE.—Previously to a newly-appointed Governor-
:Mr. GLA.DSIONE moved that the order of the day General of India leaving England for the scene of his
ft); • the third readies., of ehe Customs' Duties Bill should delegated duties, a dinner on a scale of princely magni-
hay a precedence of other orders. The Right Hon. ficence is invariably given by the Directors to the indi-
Gee tlei.ean was understood 'to state that the clause in the vidual on whom the honours and advantages of the post
Bill es) e etich there were objections made (the wharfin- have been conferred. To this banquet the members of
get,' 'clans 1) was withdrawn. . the Cabinet, and other distinguished personages, are in-
Mr. II lie tE was glad that the clause was withdrawn, vited. In conformity with this time-honoured custom,
but regretted • that the Government should persevere in Sir Henry Hardinge was feasted and toasted yesterday.
.a Bill that iisfieceed many now penalties. But for the recent misunderstanding between her Ma-
On the quest being put, j sty's Ministers and the Honourable Court, the
Mr. M. PlitteWS asked on what day the Dissenters' proceedings of the day would have commanded no pecu-
ld e e broughe on.
Q 'lapels' lei:1 %you se d ..•
eiir R. PEEre fixed e, eurs ay *he 7th of June.
BANR: CHAR I,ER. by the magnates of Leadenhall-street, despite of the
eishes of the Cabinet, and in the teeth of the refusal of
ear. HUME asked what course Ole Government in- f her Majesty's Ministers to concur in the removal of the
" Brummagem Buonaparte," invested the proceedings
ten ded to take on the Bank Ch "er Bi 21?
efayesterday with unprecedented interest. Would the
ir R. PEEL said he proposedar to brie:,, in the Bill I
of Wellington be present? If present, would
hPistr_ace make a speech? If the Noble Duke deigned
to-in errow. There would be an opportunity for. discus-
sten .. in the second reading.
arlecwaiith the cause of the new appointment
The .Cesstoins' Duties Bill was read a third time and ,to address himself to the proceedings of the how
would he de
-passed .of Lord Ellenborough had induced
to shimeeingto applythe to the Court of Directors a series of appel-
ritrA.RS (BANGOR) FREE,uSaaCtlltooOnLnt.ice,
Mr. W. 0. ,STANLEY rose, purs .
of the House to the petn. of Dr. 0. letions more expressive of strong disapprobation of the
call the, uteentiot; 1) praying for in- act, than re ardful of g the rules of courtesy 1 Th
Bober is (presente,l on the 15th Apri ,en,
newly-appointed Governor-Gene-
quiry into the mat esLeement of the Friars' (Bangor). Free again, how would the administrationinquiries as ;the parts
an of the great en,
quirt' the Premier, if
SeL.ho a, and other enelowed free schools in the diocese 1 osed be treated by the Chairman
°I B sever and SI . Ass` resent ?—or by the newly
Con • e' ph, and to move for a Select ► e
These, and many other
'?h would be played by the greatrrsonages so recently
puttee to inqui re into the same. The Hon. Gentle- rail'
man t said that this school ,had been endowed for the a ic _
eel> itial purpose of 'educating, ,:loar men's children, and nt log!gerhea.ds, on an occasion t. at . was immediately
the •h at the were
preset ,t time there was not one single poor connected with the cause of their disagreement,
lity of some..
73:14Z ?e, child in the
ham' . - bee , e ,school. The revenue of the
Co • -
n considere-ably increased since the Charity hung being said t' • by some one, which would afford a clue
school uopermost in the public mind. The pos
etinisstoners had made their
report. The revenues
of tlh's school am I, with searching attention. We hoped
to the cause of Lord Ellenborough's recal, induced us to
111 ad iition had€6'3lted to 505 L a-year. The master scan tke speecees ,
a house in Bangor, to which to be .
2g ' acre, lof land were attached, d • and to satisfy public curiosity, so strongly
1:;0/. a year. The usher had a able to assist the inquiry, which we knew would
the value of which was be institute , if ,
house built for him stimulated to penetrate, possible, the veil of secresy
eapaole , 4' accommodating twelve boarders ; a garden was which her Majesty's Ministers seem determined to
attached, and these premises were of the value of ea a east over the transactions that have led to that re-
year, rn w value of the property of the charity was up- cal. The leading personages present on the festive occa-