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subsequently to revise those salaries, so as to make a
diminution in them corresponding to this increase, they
would be indirectly defeating the vote of this house. In
the bill of last session there were words which imposed
upon the Treasury the duty of revising the salaries, hay'
log regard trim tne amount of the deductions which were
remitted. Had there been similar words in this bid the
Treasury would have known upon what principle they
were to proceed, but their express omission seems to nie,
owing to the rule omissuee facia cessare taciturn, to indi-
cate the intention of the Louse that that principle should
not be acted upon. I therefore wish to state distinctly
that if the bill passes in its present form the house rno4
consider that it has of its own free gift, without all
addition to the duties of the civil servants, and without
reference to individual merit, made them a present of
the additions to their salaries which I have mentioned.
Her Majesty's Uoverrouent will act upon that under-
standing of the measure, and will take no steps to revise
the ealaries of the civil servants. It must therefore be
understood that the house had done this against the CO"-
s oit and advice of the executive Government and beri
also placed the Treasury in a position in which it may
not be easy to resist the claims of that portion of the
civil servants who do not now receive tuperannuatioe
allowances, which will entail a prospective addition is
the same diree'ion. I hope that these consequences are
distinctly in the contemplation of the house, and with '
that explanation I am quite ready, after the vote of yes-
terday, to assent to the bill of the noble lord.
Sir J. TRELAWNY moved the adjournment of the
debate.
Mr. WHITESIDE said that after the speech of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer everything seemed to be
settled.
The house divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes
18 •
Noes
Majimrity —s9
Tho motion for the adjournment of the debate scs''
therefore lost, and the house went into committee.
On the question that the preamble be postponed, ,
Mr. GLADSTONE said he would not attempt to se:
feat the bill by successive motions for adjournment, tit!'
he protested against their being compelled to paes.ijs
through committee without discussion. He thougu'
that the Government were now as much responsible t°r
the bill as if it had originated with them.
Lord PALMERSTON denied that the Government.
were responsible for the bill. They had stated what
they thought good objections to it, but the house,
a large majority, had overruled them. Having state
in the early part of the evening that it was n_k
their intention to oppose the bill, they could not Is
fairness now resort to any proceeding which would he"
the effect of defeating it by delay.
Mr. AYRTON thought it was strange that the G°.
vernment could not muster more than 70 member°
against the second reading of bee bill. The only 8%01
nation of the smallness of the minority was that imi'"
opinion of the house had not been fairly taken. Set Q'
the necessity for further discussion.
Sir J. TRELAWNY had no intention to offer ail,
factious opposition to the bill, but hoped that WS'
would be given for further consideration.
Lord NAAS said the bill had already been fully a,l:
cussed, and, considering that it was very simple in to
character, he trusted that no further delay would ts'
place.
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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER IS'i
ot
that the simplicity of the bill was one of his stronge
objections to it. It touched only a small part of 'P4
io
question of superannuation. He thouht that too 000
haste—more than the Government durst venture
attempt—was exhibited in pushing it through Ibe
House.
Mr, HANKEY eaid the principle of the bill was, the:
in future no deduction should be made from the salarld
of civil servants. It did not enter upon the subjest,,
future salaries, and it would be quite competent for
'0
Chancellor of the Exchequer to introduce a clause
meet the difficulty which he appeared to anticipate. )
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished the noble lord (106:0
to explain the operation of his bill, which, consisting 0
it did of a single clause, negatived au existing stet,,tios
which gave superannuation to certain officers. If tuo,
act were repealed would not these claims to superansot
tion allowances be weakened ("No.") The Chanoe'„
of the Exchequer indeed might take the power to reels
the salaries. (Hear.)
b°
Mr. WALTER was in favour and had advocated t
removal of the system of deductions, which he belier 4
to be altogether unsound in principle, but be had voo,
against the second reading of the bill because he sty
ceived it did more than assert a principle. If the ssoi
lord had simply intended to assert a principle he oiof
have moved a resolution condemnatory of the exieto)
system, and he (Mr. Walter) would have supported s"0
a motion ; but the effect of the present bill would bibs
add from 2i to 5 per cent, indiscriminately to
130
sa'aries of 10,000 public servants. (Hear, hear.) or
he could not give his support to a measure the irP
be
diate effect of which would be to tax the public &Pro
knew not what extent. (Hear.) The proper CO
would be for the Government to introduce a proPsictioe
iii
stating that there should be some revision of the sats.ym
of the civil servants, in order that the unsound priacir
of deductions might be abolished.
' Mr. AYRTON proposed to add a recital to the'effpect:
that it was advisable the salaries of the civil says
should be revised. a not
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER div 00.
think the words suggested by the' hon. and learned,_gtbe
tleinan would meet the case. The Treasury had naw,o
power of revising salaries. (Hear, hear.) What it het
material to understand was whether it was intendedo,
salaries should be diminished rateably, in the earneictO
portion as the House was of opinion now they ongs'y
be increased. If so, that principle should be distincer
inserted in the act, otherwise the Treasury, in the elrio
cise of their prerogative of revision, might hereafter o 0
accused of contravening a solemn decision of the 11°
of Commons.
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Lord NAAS said it was impossible to introduce i 0
the bill a clause for revising the salaries, as that c°44
alone be done by the Treasury, which already posfieP
the power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEII• eo.
the Treasury could not take up the case of each isutib-ol
dual whose salary would be affected by the bill, as
would be virtually to repeal the bill.
Mr. NICOL moved that the chairman report prog
The committee divided, when the numbers were.e'
For reporting progress
Against it 49
Majority against it -18
r:
Sir J. TRELAWNY suggested that all the civil sie
,bot
vants who were affected by the bill should resign
offices, and go in again on the competitive systenr•
On clause 1,
Mr. AYRTON moved to add the words—" That llato
salaries of the civil servants shall be revised, having
regard to the amount of reduction hereby made." oil
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opriol
the amendment, because practically it would put the r,Ol,
servants in a worse position than they were at pre
Mr. AYRTON withdrew his amendment. fo?
Sir J. TRELAWNY moved the addition of the of
lowing words—" Provided it can be proved that
tso
individual has lost any advantages which withouttioe
act he would have enjoyed, he shall receive compensate
to an equivalent extent."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sand
tbat time amendment could not be considered, as it eivrif
not be competent for the house to make such a el old
' upon the Exchequer without a committee of the.
house.
Sir J. TRELAWNY was very unwilling to pr°c
,tolo
with the debate at such an hour in the morning
oil
minutes past 3. The house was to meet again at 19.1:0
the pressure was exceedingly heavy upon the Spesd
upon members, and upon the gentlemen who b3,hot
report the debates. He moved as an amendment oe
the chairman report progress, and obtain leave t 0
again.

-On a division there appeared—
For reporting progress
Against it
Majority
The clause was ultimately agreed to, and, the bo
having resumed, the bill was rep n-ted amidst cheers' d'
The other orders were disposed of, and the hong° ,
journed at Calf-past 3.
Mr. TOLLEDIACIHE has paired off for the rest o-
( tb
session with Mr. M. T. SMITH.

DEATH OF MRS. BEECHER STOWE'S SON,"'"
Courrier des Etats Unis mentions that Mrs. Bee°,ll
Stowe, who was staying at Brooklyn, had receive 00
telegraphic message announcing that her son, a 9°,/loi
man of 18, had been drowned, while on a park'
pleasure.