The Sun.
London, England, 1844-04-02 00:00:00

MASTERS AND SERVANTS' SILL,:
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented severarlietitley'
against the Masters and Servants' Bill. -
QUARANTINE.
Lord SANDON wished to ask the Hone Me-iber
for Bolton if it was his intention to direct the attgf
tion of the House to the subject of the quarantine
Dr. BOWRING intended, unless some satisfactog
communication should be made on the subjeetbyp"
Government to the House, to move for the appoint:
ment of a Select Committee to consider the subjeo
immediately after Easter.
Mr. GLADSTONE could hardly he 'expected
make any communication on the subject at presto'
The Government had taken steps which might Pr
bably lead to some' important results. Comraunics
tions had been made to the different powers enger
in the Mediterranean trade, for the purpose of endegr
vouring to induce them to shorten the time of qur
rantine. The obstacles which had hitherto stood 1.115
the way of coming to a satisfactory conclusion on tls
subject had been removed, and there was every Prt
pect that the Powers concerned in the trade of t"'
Mediterranean would consent to a shortening'flar
time of quarantine.
Dr. BOWRING would give notice of a Committee
on the subject after Easter. He would, in the mealy
time, enter into communication with the Right 11,,,(41
Gentleman, and modify his motion according
information he might obtain.
Lord COTTENHAM moved the omission oflr.,
clauses continuing the diocesan courts ; and Or"
motions having been negatived, he proceeded to pr
pose a clause, giving to the Arches Court jurie
tion in all cases now under the cognisance of O.w
courts.

This motion was negatived.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then moved tir4
addition of a clause to consolidate the 'office
registrar in two of the diocesan courts, which 1/,'",
agreed to.
The Bill then passed.
On the motion of Lord DALHOUSIE, the I-10.111
went into Committee on the International Copjr,ig,
Bill, which was reported without amendments, d•
ordered to be read a third time to-morrow (this day
Their Lordships then adjourned. --

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 1.
IRISH REGISTRATION.
Mr. MORE O'FERRALL (in continuation AO
our Third Edition of last night) said--4le
mitted that where abuses existed they ought ~
be corrected, but if they gave the franchise to pet,
sons so qualified they ought to demand proof of tPd,
receipt of the. 301. for six or twelve months precedillt
It was necessary that persons claiming should.be P,A
to the proof of the actual receipt. The Noble
had stated truly that the 40s. franchise which b=1
been destroyed in 1829 had produced a great eg!
in some counties, and scarcely any effect in othevej
In the county which he represented it had produe
scarcely any effect, but in many counties the
jority of the freeholders had been swept away.
must admit that the 51. franchise was, of all otiw"
the one most desirable to exist ; hut, under the Pri;
sent circumstances, he found that there was scorn
any chance of any great number of suclivoters-beity
created. Then, with regard to the franchise: in ton
It appeared that where three persons had a benekr,
interest in a holding of the value of 301. it was the.;
tention of the Government that each of they
should be upon the register.—(Hear, lieltfo;
But he wished to• draw the Noble Lord's at_ tenth
to one point, which was that in cases where a on
held different tenements of one landlord, the•ameri
of the whole rent of which was 10/., he was entity
to a vote ; but where he held tenements of differ/4
landlords, the total value of which was more than la
but of which 101. was not held under one lancliO'L
the occupier was not entitled to a vote. Now this
considered ought to be altered. He did not wishot
make any unnecessary objections to the Goverruneo
measure, and he was sorry that, while the Governe!L
admitted the principle of the necessity of extenT
the franchise, they had not sufficiently carried it
He must protest against giving the franchise to
30/. tenants-at-will.
After a few words from Mr. GROGAN," jie
Mr. F. SHAW said he did not think the
would have much immediate practical effeet.-
amount of the holding was a matter of coinpare°o
indifference ; while the present state of societ.fito
Ireland, there was an indisposition on the part et 5
tenant to be put upon the registry at all. The ten.rait,
who wished to attend more to their farms and t°'-us
islot
families than to politics, generally declined to be ft)
on the registry, as they wished to live in peace
their landlords, and those who had influence °,Oll,
them. Whether the holding was 30/. or g
would make little practical difference. He wouldo
enter into the merits of the Bill till they had see,
printed, and looked more particularly into its pryil;•
sions. He was unwilling to give his opinion as to
measure, except as to one point. •If by giving yo
franchise to 51. freeholders, they, could encourageLrb
creation of such a class of proprietors, he should telr-.•
wish to see it carried into effect.'
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said this was a sub. j„
which, in itself, was one of very considerable drie
culty, and he was prepared to admit that the NS
Lord had introduced it with great good temper. Jray
first proposition would, as admitted by the N°:i,e
Lord himself; cause a very great deficiency. leis
number of voters in Ireland. Speaking generelliie
might, it appeared, be taken at not less than tweeJai
five thousand. But how did the Noble Loied..prer,
to supply the deficiency ? By allowing tenants s
ing a certain rent, and occupying from year to 17.14
to have votes, and therefore, so far, it W°weil
be a tenant-at-will clause ; as it. was
known that a tenant choosing, to vote to
versely to his landlord would be obliged
quit his farm. This tenant-at-will franchise
never been known in England until the passing..
the Reform Bill, and let it be remembered it was ''re
then proposed by the authors of the Bill, but by
Noble Duke, then the Marquis of Chandos Pd
Member of that House. Such was the origin:of:3S
tenant-at-will clause, which placedthe counties entir'L
in the hands of the landlords. The effect of this cier,
had been described very accurately and Very 014
with respect to the counties of England, by the 140
Lord the Secretary for the Colonies (Lord Stani.eßt
who had on a former occasion told the House tb°,,,,"
was only for six or seven of the large landed Pce
prietors to meet, and then the future representit3
was at once determined on. In England they four
a very strong inclination, both among Whig landl°'?
and tenants, and Tory landlords and tenants, t 9.414
together at elections ; and therefore the system
not create so great an amount of evil as it was eern
to do in Ireland. In some cases in England .no (101
it produced gross oppression and great evil, butt
the general run it did not perhaps do so. The9B
in Ireland was very different. There, genereol
speaking, the tenants were anxious to escape th
voting ; on the one hand, not wishing to vote )4
the landlord—on the. other, trying to avoid. pen,-
influences, in order not to seriously offend the let 3
lord. It was imposssible to have the. same.. clause iere,
-Ireland that now existed in England, without
ducing very great discontent. If the effeit'or:ll to
Ireland should be the same as it was in'Enkfietthe
th
make the counties the channels through which Pt;
landlords should send to Parliament whomsoever - ee
liked, the representation would be the constant solo
of irritation and annoyance. He (Lord
Russell) considered therefore that the
duction of the thirty-pound tenant clsS
was one which was very objectionable indite;
Introducing so high an amount as 30/. for occune";t,k
would, he feared, only lead the landlords to tail
that the body of electors would be sufficiently limit,
for them to have some influence or power over the'li,
He was glad that the Noble Lord proposed
freehold franchise Bill. He only regretted that ttr
was not -also a 40s. freehold franchise. The nuniof
of freehold franchises in fee of 51., as well as those
40s. in fee, would be small, and he did not see W.:,
they should not give the same franchise in this ' t
spect to Ireland as England •enjoyed. He would P.
then enter into the merits of the whole Bill, exPecet
ing that on a future occasion the Right lion. Ber°l3o
would furnish the explanation desired. At PAD
he could not see how the present Bill would stillsFii;
tially effect equality in the Irish franchise.
Noble Lord proposed certain changes with respectbe.,•
the right of voting, which he thought would be ~ be
neficial. With regard to the Corporations,
ere
understood rightly, the voting for municipal of&
.0.
would be the same as in England. He did not 10°,',;,-
that there was any provision in the Bill for the Plijo
ment of rates. He had no further objection to r°
in this stage of the proceedings.
,Mr. BELLEW said he was not prepared to
_a;
any opinion at present on the tenancy at will else
but he did not think the registry would be a' be
affected by it. The franchise in Ireland shoulto
as extensive as was contemplated by the Reforms the
Lord HOWICK thought that it was well worth r
consideration of her Majesty's Government whet
they might not get rid of all the agitation of the reSi
tration courts by taking the rating on the list iested
of compelling the party to appear for
' the2urPrpg
proving the amount.—(Hear hear.) lie toe
gentleman on that side of the House would 12°t
.
hastily condemn voting founded on mere oceuga:h4o eir
He admitted the superiority of a lease; but I!
_ei, •
trusted entirely to a franchise depending on
they could not obtain a sufficient number of ver•
thef
(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) 11, the
required a lease they placed it in the power ,he
great owners of the soil virtually to disfranclusep_.o
electors.—(Hear.) A franchise arising only 1_70.0
a lease was liable to great abuses. Suppose a Peep
granting a lease to the amount of 101. or 20/..
_O-&-e, •
lease might be granted at a nominal rent, wheys
much less sum was really paid, in order that dr. 1:00
might be retained in the power of the landlorano,
had had considerable experience in county act f. It •
and all his experience led him to the same opints., •
w0u14.-be Practically iropwsible_to get