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sentad their feelings and their wishes. lie thought the
12/. franchise which he had proposed would give a
proper constituency to Ireland. But he considered the
adoption of the propotition of his Noble Friend would
be fatal to the Bill. A compromise might now be ad-
mitted, which would not perhaps hereafter be agreed to;
but he feared the rejection of the measure would have
the elf:et of creating fresh agitation in Ireland. If e
dissolution took place at the present moment
the Irish county Member 3 would be chosen by a con-
stituency not exceeding 27,000, a proportion which
mode them less than many of the small borough towns
in England. _ _

Earl FITZ WILLIAM said the present measure had
been described as a new reform Bill for Ireland.
Ile had been rather surprised to hear his Noble and
Learned Friend (Lori Brougham) recommend their
Lordships not to listen to the voice of the people.
Lord BROUGHAM—No, no.
Earl FITZWILLIAH—His Noble and Learned
Friend had said s,:rnl!iiinevery like it. Now, ho re-
membered when a lt,firm Bill was being discussed for
England, though not for Ireland, his Noble and Learned
Friend had calkd upon them most emphatically to at-
tend more to the voice of the peoplr. His Noble and
Learned Friend had sail there were two million of
paupers in Ireland.

Lord BROUGHAM—By the last accounts.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM said there were many parishes
in Ireland in which there were no persons receiving
out-Jour relief ; and, therefore, he thought the argu-
ment about paupers fell to tie ground. With respect
to tee amendment moved by the Noble Earl on the
Cross benches (E trl St. Germans), although lie would
have preferred the Bill as it stood, yet sooner than risk
its passing he would vote for the proposition. The
question they had to consider was, whether there should
or riot be a franchise existing in Ireland.
After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, who
said t'so Noble Earl had misunderstood what had fallen
from him,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it was his inten-
tion to vote for the omission of the words " eight
pounds."—(Hear, hear.) He had stated that he thought
it was the duty of their Lordships to give the point their
attentive consideration, and to state the amount of quali-
fication they were disposed to affirm. After what had
fallen from Noble Lords en both sides, he could not dis-
guie from himself that in the opinion of a considerable
majority of their Lordships 8/. was too low a sum. In
execution, therefore, of what he believed to be his duty,
that of adapting the feeling of that House as much as
possible to the feeling of the other House, and he
might add to the feeling of the people of Ireland, he
thought it most deilirable that the question should be
put directly whether 15/. be, or be not, the amount of
qualification which their Lordships thought best. He
disliked the improper influence of the priests—he
disliked the improper influence of the landlords ;
but there was an influence he disliked 'still more than
that—of persons who obtained an uncontrolled influence
over an unrepresented population, leading them oc-
casionally to disturbances, sometimes to rebellion,
by representing to them that they had not their fair
share of constitutional power. Ho believed, if they
attempted to carry the principle of the franchise to a
higher amount, they would fail to give satisfaction, and
that the Bill would cease to be what it was intended to
be—a welcome boon to the people of Ireland.
Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared—
For Lord Desert's amendment ... 72
Against it ... ... 50
Majority against the Government —22

Lord STANLEY said, with the view of bringing the
subjsct cf registration conveniently before their Lord-
ships, he would propose the insertion of words affirming
the principle of leaving it to the option of the voter
whether he would ple,ca himself on the register or not.
For that purpose he proposed to insert, after the words
" duly registered," the words " on his own request."
Tne Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought it would be
better now to report progress and ask leave to sit again.
Earl GREY suggested to the Noble Lord opposite
the propriety of printing the consequential amendments.
After a few words from the Earl of ST. GERMANS,
the House reported progress, and obtained leave to sit
again on Friday next.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)

MONDAY, JULY 1.

WESTMINSTER TEMPORARY BRIDGE BILL,
Read a second time ; Motion made, and Question proposed,
"That the Bill ba committed:"—Amendment proposed, to
add at the end of the Question the words " to a Select Com-
mittee:"—Question put, " That those words be there added."
The House divided:—
MAJORITY—AYES, 138.
Alcock, Thomas Fox, W. J. O'Flaherty, Anthony
Arkwright, George French. F. Ord, William
Bailey, Joseph Glyn, George Carr Patten, W.
Baldock, E. ii. Gordon, Admiral Pendarves, Edward
Baring, 11. B. Greenall, Gilbert Pennant, Colonel
Raring, Thomas Grenfell, Cnarles W. Pet°, Samuel
Benbow., John Hall, Sir B. Pilkington, James
Blair, Stephen Hamilton, Lord C. Plowden, W. H.
Bremridge, Richard Hardcastle, J. A. Price, Sir R.
Bright, John Harris, Richard Pusey, Philip
Bromley, Robert Haytcr, W. G. Rawdon, Colonel
Brotherton, J. Herbert, 11. A. Reynolds, John
Brown, W. Herbert, Sydney Roche, E. B.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Heyworth, Lawrence Balwey, Colonel
Cardwell, E. Hildyard, R. C. Sandars, George
Carew, W. 11. P. Hill, Lord M. Sibthorp, Colonel
Chatterton, Colonel Hogg, Sir J. Sidney, Alderman
Clay, Sir W. _ Hollow!, Robert Smith, J. Benjamin
Clerk, Sir G. Hood, Sir Alexand Sinollett, N.
Clive, 11. B. Hornby, John Spooner, Richard
Cobden, Richard Howard, C. W. Stanley, Edward
Cochrane, A. D. Humphery, Ald. Staunton, Sir G.
Cdcks, T. S. Jocelyn, Viscount Stephenson, Robert
Coles, 11. B. Jonitre, Sir W. U. Strickland, Sir G.
Collins, William Keogh, William Stuart, Lord D.
Crawford, W. S. Kershaw, Jurnes Stuart, J.
Da rymple, Captain Knox, Colonel Tenison, E. K.
Denison, Ethnund Lacy, henry C. Thesiger, Sir F.
D'Eyncourt, T. Lascelles, W. S. Thompson, Colonel
Dickson, Samuel Locke, Joseph Thornely, Thomas
Divett. Edward Lushington, Charles Thornhill, G.
Duncan, Lord Lygon, General Towneley, John
Duncan, Ueorge Mackenzie, W. F. Trevor, G.
Duncombo, T. M'Gregor, John Troilope, Sir J.
Duncombe, A. M'Taggart, Sir J. Vane, Lord 11.
Duncult, John Meagher, Thomas Verner, Sir W.
Dundas, Sir David Manners, Lord C. Vesey, T.
Dunne, Colonel Manners, Lord J. Villiers, F. W. _ _

Mimic, Fox
Egerton, Sir P.Walpole, Spencer
Egerton, W. T. Meux, Sir 11. Wawn, J. T.
Ellis, John Milton, Viscount 'Willcox, Brodie
Euston, Earl Mitchell, T. A. Williams, John
Fagan, William Molesworth, Sir W. Wood, Sir Charlee
Fagan, James Moore, G. 11. Wood, W. I'.

Farrer, James Mo watt, Francis TELLERS.
Fitzroy, Henry Noel, G. J. Inglis, Sir R.
Forster, Mathew O'Brien, Sir Lucius Greene, Thomas

MINORITY-NOES, 15.

Barnard, E. G. Emlyn, Viscount O'Connor, Feargus
Blackall, S. W. Frewen, C. IL Stanford. J. F.
Campbell, W. F. Fuller, A. E. Willoughby, Sir 11.
Conolly,Thomas Hamilton, J. 11. TZLLEILIi.
Cubitt, William Hodges, T. L. Burrell, Sir C.
Dodd, George Naas, Lord Grosvenor, Lord H.