The Sun.
London, England, 1868-01-28 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON TUESDAY EVENING, JANUARY 28, 1,368,

well I saw Jackson (Barrett) there. I did not know
his name, but I have seen him on several occasions
going into the shop and likewise in at the private
door. I have seen hiin once with Mrs. Martin going
out. I 1;14 saw him (Jackson) on the Monday
night before the explosion at Mrs. Martin's be-
tween 8 and 9 in the evening. I cannot say

expressly when I first saw him before the ex-
plosion, but I should think about two months
before. I always saw him carrying a carpet bag—
I never saw him without it. I have never seen him
in the coat that he now wears, but he wore the same
hat that he has now. He always wore a light coat.
His face is very much changed ; his whiskers are
now very different from what they were when
he used to come backwards and forwards to
Mrs. Martin's. At that time he had long whiskers,
no beard under his chin, and very little moustache,
if any. On the Sunday night bebre the explosion
he wore a tall black hat..

Sir T. Henry—Allen, you are the only prisoner
without a solicitor. Do you wish to ask the witness

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any question.
Alletk—No--thank you, Sir.
Mary Ann Page—l live at No. 1, Pulteney-
court. My husband is a painter. The house in
which I live is right opposite Mrs. Martin's. Be-
fore the explosion took place at Clerkenwell, I had
seen one of the prisoners (English) at Mrs. Mar-
tin's several times outside the door. The first time
would be a few days before the explosion. I fancy
I have seen that man (Barrett) acre, when he
went in with the carman when he carried the barrel

of gunpowder.
Mr. Poland—Did you see the barrel carried in.
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Poland—Did you know what it was ?
Witness—No, sir.
Mr. Poland—Have you seen other men at Mrs
Martin's ? .

Witness—Oh, yes, sir. Before the explosion
three or four men were continually going in and
out Mrs. Martin's place. I did not notice English
there the day the barrel was brought. The other
men I have spoken of seemed friendly with Eng-
lish. They always spoke when they met him.
English used to be in and out Mrs. Martin's at all
times during the day. Since the explosion I have
not seen so many people call at Mrs. Martin's.
Clarissa de Fois—My husband is a Frenchman,
and collects advertisements for a French newspaper.
Before the explosion at Clerkenwell I have seen
English visit Mrs. Martin's house. I first observed
him to come five or six weeks before the explosion,
but ever since Mrs. Martin has been there men have
visited the house frequently. They used to come
two or three together. English used to come very
frequently. Since the explosion there have not been
so many visitors to Mrs. Martin's. I have fre-
quently seen English talk to Mrs. Martin ; but all
those who visited seemed to be friendly, as they all
talked together when they met. The middle ono
(O'Keefe's) features strike me.
O'Keefe—l live in the street adjoining.
Mr. Poland—Cannot you recognise any more
than you have already pointed out ?
Witness—No, sir.
Mr. Lewis—Did you know O'Keefe to be a near
neighbour of yours ? •
Witness—No, sir.
Elizabeth Butters—My husband'sname is Charles,
he is a smith, and we reside at No. 2, Pulteney
court. I know Mrs. Marlin's shop well. Before

the explosion at Clerkenwell I have frequently seen
men come there.
Mr. Poland—Just look at the prisoners and say
which you recognise ?
Witness—l have seen that man (English) there.
English—ln the shop ?
Witness—Yes, in the shop.
English—Mind what you're swearing.
Sir T. Henry—You have a solicitor, you had
better leave your case in his hands.
English-1 don't know Mrs. Martin.
Sir T. Henry—Take down that observation.
Witness concluded—l have seen him (English)
there some time previous to the explosion. I cannot
recognise any of the other prisoners as actually
visiting Mrs. Martin's shop, but I have seen that
man (Jackson) at the top of the court previous to
the explosion.
Mr. Harper (for the Desmonds and English

flow long has Mrs.Martiu lived in Pulteney-court ?
Witness—About 10 months. Their shop was a
greengrocer's, but a great many men came there
without purchasing. I have also seen women coins
there. I have not seen English come there since
the explosion. The men who used to visit before
that affair have not come since it occurred.
By Mr. Lewis (for Barrett)—l think it would be
two or three months before the explosion that I
last saw Barrett there.
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I never saw him there after the explosion. I recollect
seeing him standing outside Mrs. Martin's
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door the
Sunday before the prison was blown up. He had a
light overcoat on, and an Oxford hat. lie is now
much changed about the face. He has had his
whiskers cut.
Safah Smithers—l keep a beer-shop in Corpora-
tion-row. I have given my evidence before. I
have said that English was at my house the day
before the explosion.
/sir. Poland—Look at the prisoners, and say
whether you recognise any of the men in the dock
as the person who was with him.
Witness—To the best of my belief that man
(Barrett) was the person, but I should not like to
swear to him.
Mrs. Butters recalled—l no* recognise that man
with the long beard (William Desmond).
William Desmond—If ever God cursed a woman,
he'll curse you, you false swearing woman.
Sir T. Henry—You had better be quiet ; you
have counsel.
Mr. Lewis—Have you ever seen O'Keefe at Mrs.
Martin's?
Witness—No.
Mary Ann Page recalled—l can now recognise
another man as visiting Mrs. Martin's. It is the
man with the long red beard (William Desmond).
I saw him there about a week before the explosion.
He was there several times during that time.
Mr.parper (for William Desmond)—You were
asked before in your first examination to point out
all the prisoners you knew. Why did you not point
out William Desmond then ?
Witness—l was not asked, and therefore did not
like to say. I don't know why I did not do so on
the first occasion. I can safely say that William
Desmond was at Mrs. Martin's shop.
Mr. Lewis—Can you identify any more ?
Witness—T am familiar with the faces of all.
Mr. Lewis—What, the prisoner O'Neil ?
Witness—Yes. I say I am familiar with all

their faces.
Mr. Harper—After you left the box on the first
occasion, who spoke to you about the evidence you
had just given ?
Witness —No one. I spoke to one of the wit-
nesses up stairs, a woman. I said I knew Desmond,
and then I was told to come down stairs again by
that gentleman (Mr. Poland)..
Mrs.. de Fois (recalled)—I can now identify
William Desmond as being one of the visitors to
Mrs. Martin's home.
Ann Stringfellow—My husband's name is Henry
—he is a baker. We live at No. 3, Wingrove-
place, Clerkenwell. I recollect the day of the explo-
sion. Before it occurred I had noticed a man at the
corner of Woodbtidge-street for about a month
previously. I thought he was a detective from the
fact of seeing hi.n day after day at the same place.
I noticed his dress particularly. On one occasion
he had on a long brown coat and wide-awake hat;

on another I saw him with a darker coat on, and
wearing a mixed straw hat. He appeared to be
merely looking about. lie crossed to different
corners of the street, and at any time he was not
far from the prison wall.

Mr. Poland—Look at the prisoners, and say to
the best of your belief whether you see the man
amongst them who was loitering about.
Witness—That one (pointing out Barrett). That's
the person.

Janet Crawford—My husband's name is John,
and we live at 7f, Cross-street, Regent-street. My
husband is a jeweller. I know the prisoner William
Desmond. He lived at No. 10, Cross-street. It is
three houses from our house. He lived in the second
floor front. I was standing by Desmond's door on
the 12th December, the day before the explosion. I
was enabled to see into the back yard of that house. I
saw three or four men there, but I could not see
what they were doing. I saw one of the men come
out through Desmond's door. That's him.
English—What ! me is it you mean?
Witness—Yes, you were the person. You went
down the street and entered into conversation with
several other men, who appeared to be waiting for
you.

English—What time was that ?
Witness—Between three and four in the after-

noon.

English—All right ; some other parties have
sworn that I was at Clerkenwell at that time.
Sir T. Henry—You had better be quiet.
Mr. Harper (to English)—lf you don't remain
quiet I shall throw up your defence.
English—All right, sir, I'll be quiet.
Charles Morely recalled ;

Mr. Poland--Now look at the prisoners and say
whether you see the man who lighted the barrel.
Witness—That man there (Barrett).
Mr. Poland—You aro certain that is the man
that lighted the squib ?

Sir T. Henry—The boy said, " Lighted the bar

Mr. Poland-1 thought he said lighted the squib.
Sir T. Henry—No, he said " barrel."
Mr. Harper—What sort of an appearance did the
man then have?

Witness—A long beard, and it came down here
(putting his hand to both sides of his cheeks). He
also had big eyes.
Henry Bird recalled.
Mr. Giffard—You have said in your evidence
that you saw a man light the barrel. Do you see
that man here to-day ?
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Giffard—Which is him ?
Witness--That one (Barrett.) I described him
in my evidence.
Mr. Lewis—What was your description ? _
Witness—He had a long beard, and the same
flush on his cheek that he has now. lie wore on
the occasion a long brown coat.
Mr. Lewis—Have you seen O'Neil before?
Witness—Yes.
Mr. Lewis—Where ?
Witness—At the Millbank Prison.
Mr. Lewis—And then you identified him as the
man that fired the barrelf

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Witness—Yes, I did, but I did not on the occa-
sion turn the men round.
Mr. Lewis—The men were [all standing
together.
Witness—Yes ; but I had not the opportunity of
turning the men round, or I should not have made
the mistake on the first occasion.
Mr. Giffard—Did you ever positively identify
O'Neil? _

Witness—After I had turned both men round, I
said I preferred Barrett to O'Neil. I said O'Neli
was the person before I had turned Barrett round.
After I had turned Barrett round I felt he was the
man ?
Sir T. Henry—Then you have no doubt now that
Barrett is the man.
Witness—No. I have no doubt he is the man.
I won't swear, although I have no doubt in my
own mind that he is the man. I know him by the
colour of his hair and the long brown coat.
Mr. Giffard—You have been only asked about
the man that fired the barrel. Do you see anybody
else in the dock that you know ?
Witness—Yes, Timothy Desmond.
drawing the truck. I have said so before.
Isaac Hallom recalled. •
Mr. Poland (to witness)—In your former ev
dente you have spoken of a man you saw assisting
another to take a barrel out of the truck and throw
a cloth over it. Do you see that person in court ?
Witness—Yes ; to the best of my belief the first
man there is him (Barrett.) He is different in ap-
pearance now. On the occasion of my first seeing
him he had his whiskers cut out from under his
chin ; no moustache, or very little, if any.
Mr. Poland—That was on the afternoon of the
explosion ?
Witness—Yes, sir.
Mr. Lewis—You are quite sure the man did not
have a beard all round ?
Witness—Yes, quite sure.
Mr. Giffard—Were his whiskers cut out in any
particular way.
Witness—They were cat out very tastefully, and
a person looking at him sideways could not see they
were cut from under the chin. I turned round on
the occasion, however, and had a good look at him.
William Scott, 27, Castle-street, Holborn, said
On the day after the explosion I was directed to
take care of No. 5 and No. 7, Corporation-lane, the
two houses damaged by the explosion. On Satur-
day, the 21st Dec., I was walking over the bricks and
the rubbish in the prison exercising ground, and
amongst them I found a ball. It was inside the
prison that I picked up
the ball. I gave it to the
policeman named Knowles.
Mr. Lewis—What sort of ball was it?
Witness—A white racket ball made of leather.

He was

Inspector Thomson-4 havo two balls, Sir
Thomas, in my possession, but not ono with mo in
court.

Sir T. Henry—They must be produced on the
next occasion.
Constable Knowles—l received a small white ball
from the last witness, and I gave it to Inspector
Thomson.

Thomas Buggins—l live at 22, Penton-street,
Pentonville, and I am an assistant to a clockmaker.
On the Saturday after the explosion I went on the
top of our workshop, No. 4, Rosoman-street, to see
if any injury had been done, and there I found half
a stave of a barrel. It smelt very strongly of pa-
raffine. I gave it to Inspector Potter.
Inspector Potter, of the G division—l received
from the last witness part of a stave of a barrel on
the Saturday after the explosion. I produced it in
court. I afterwards found three smaller pieces of
a barrel ; each had the same smell as the half stave
I have now before me. I also received another bit
from a tradesman in Rosoman-street, all of which I
have given to Inspector Thomson.
. Constable Slocum, 186 A, reserve—l produce a
perfect stave of a barrel. I found it, the Sunday
after the explosion, under the prison wall, about five
yards from the spot at which the explosion took
place.
Alexander Chisholm—l am a constable in the
Glasgow police, 141 A. On the 14th of January I
was on duty near the Green, Glasgow. My
attention was attracted by a noise early in the
morning ; it was like the report of fire-arms. I
heard three reports, and the noise of the snap of
the cock of a pistol. I heard the balls whistle as
they passed me. Another constable named Cham-
bers was on duty at this time with me. We both
smelt powder. I went in the direction of the sound,
and found two men with their backs to the Green
and their faces toward the Clyde. The men were
Barrett and O'Neil. I asked them if they had
heard any firing, and O'Neil said some boys at the
moment had been firing away squibs. I said it
could not be a squib as it sounded like a rifle.
O'Neil asked me if I was a military man, to which
I replied that I was not.
Sir T. Henry—Were you in plain clothes ?
Witness—No, sir, I was in uniform. O'Neil
said he thought so, as I did not know the sound of
a rifle. I told him I was certain it was not a squib
that I had heard. I then asked him how long he
had been standing where I was talking to
him, whoa Barrett replied, i 4 Oh, only four

or five minutes." O'Neil said they had
come running down the Saltmarket across
the gaol square. I said, " You could not
have been standing there so long, as I have just
been past." O'Neil said, " Never mind, let's
have some drink." The other constable said,

" There's no drink in the matter, let us see about
this." I then said to both, " You had better come
to the office." O'Neil said, " Very well." I took
charge of Barrett and the other constable O'Neil.
O'Neil was on my left side, between me and the
river Clyde, and as we were going along Barrett
said, " You had better come to my lodging, and
get my character." I said, " No, come to the office,
and they'll see to that." Barrett said, ".You con-
stables are very officious." I replied, " How ?"
To which he said, " Why, by interfering with peo-
ple that's quiet and peaceable." I said, "We have
to do that at times." Barrett then said, "I could
do you some harm if I like." To which I said,
" You can't blame a man for doing his duty." We-
then walked along for some time, when he made
a spring from my side. 111 had his hands in
ea

pocket. When ha got to the iron
Tailings he made a motion as if he was throwing
something away. I saw something in his right
hand, but I could not-say what it was. I pulled
him back, and aska 1 him what he meant by such
conduct, when Barrett said, " I want a swim. or
two," but I told him I would provenG him from
doing that. I took the prisoner to the station, but
all that was found upon him was a pipe and tobacco
pouch. In consequence of the inspector knowing
nothing more than we told him both Barrett and
O'Neil were discharged. Barrett gave his address
65, Crown-street. I afterwards went to see where
I had observed Barrett to make the spring, and
there I found a revolver, which I produce. It is a
five-chamber revolver, two of which are still loaded.

When I picked it up I saw there was a cap on one
of the nipples. I did not examine the pistol to see
whether it had been recently discharged. I took the
pistol to the station,when both prisoners were again
apprehended the same evening at the address given by
Barrett. They were kept in custody in Glasgow until
they were removed by authority of a warrant signed
by Sir T. Henry. Barrett's lodgings were searched,
and some papers were ;found which are now in the
possession of Inspector Williamson. Two packets
of cards were also found, a large and a small one ;
all were given to Mr. Williamson.
Sir T. Henry—Were both Hying together in th©
same lodgings ?
Witness—Yes, sir.
By Mr. Lewis—There were three reports, and
they all occurred within half an hour. I should say
that Barrett was trying to get rid of the pistol
when he made the spring from me. I had seen him
for some time working away at his pockets. It
never occurred to me at the time to see what he had
got in his pockets. Barrett got six or seven yards
from me when he made the spring, but I was sharp

after him.
Ur. Lewis—Do you mean to say he jumped away
from you six yards at once ?
Sir T. Henry—You can hardly be serious in
putting the question. It is not the way to get in-
formation.
Mr. Lewis—l only wish to get all the information
I can, and put the question merely to get an ex-
plaaation from the witness.
Robert Chambers—l am a police-constable sub-
stitute, and I was with the last witness on the 14th
of January on Glasgow-green. I heard the shots
fired, and saw the prisoners O'Neil and Barrett
taken into custody. When we got to the station I
searched O'Neil and found some money on him, and
a copy of the Irishman newspaper. Both men were
on tho first occasion discharged. I was with
Chisholm when he found the pistol, and the same
morning I and Chisholm went, in plain clothes, to
the address 65, Crown-street. The Lieutenant
searched the lodgings, and I only lent a hand. I
saw the cards (produced) found, and also some
copies of the Irishman newspaper.
The card was real, the following being an exact
copy :

IN MEMORIAM RELIQTJISTEM.
Pray for the repose of the souls of
The Three Martyrs,
Philip:Allen, Michael Larkin, and Michael