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July in the same year on the part of the Ameers. By that
treaty the confederacy of the Ameers was dissolved, and Sinde
was brought by it within the sphere of their Indian policy;
and even some important places were surrendered by it. This
treaty divided the whole great drama into two periods—the one
including the occupation of Sinde, and the other the opera-
tions which succeeded. Sir C. Napier was chosen to carry
into effect the terms of the treaty, and he took the command
of the troops. When he arrived in the country. he conversed
with the Ameers on the subject of the treaty, and he immedi-
ately reported to the Governor-General that several infrac-
tions of the treaty had taken place on the part of the Ameers.
(The Hon. and Gallant Member here read extracts from the
reports of Sir Charles Napier, complaining of infractions of
the treaty.) These were the justifications of Sir C. Napier,
in proceeding as he did to enforce the terms of the treaty.
There was enough in that treaty to justify Sir C. Napier in
proceeding as he did; and the last treaty to which the Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last referred, only rendered more strin-
gent the terms of the treaty of 1839. He would not enter
into the argument of the old wan or the young man who
figured in Sinde—(Laughter)—but he rested the defence of
his Gallant Friend on the violation of the treaty of Hydera-
bad, and he was justified in taking every proceeding, even
the having recourse to arms, to enforce the terms of that
treaty. He would add his testimony. as a military man, to
the brilliant achievements of that Gallant Officer, and he be-
lieved that if he had acted upon the advice of Major Outram,
and delayed one hour longer, he would have been lost, for it
was likely the Ameers would have obtained an additional
force of 50,000 men. So distinctly did he perceive the diffi-
culties in which Majour Outram was placed, that while
he ( Major Outram himself) assured him he had nothing
to fear, the Gallant General saw grounds for great
apprehension, and he determined upon advancing. —( Hear,
hear.) They bat the testimony of Major Outram himself to
show that he had been deceived, for shortly after hostilities
commenced by attacking his own regiment. Major Outram,
he knew, was entitled to the character of a brave soldier ; he
knew him well by reputation, and his defence of his residence
was a very distinguished one. Having said this much in justifi-
cation of the conduct of his Gallant Friend, he hoped the House
would permit him, as a military man, to make a few observa-
tions on the battle of Meeanee and a few others. There was a
great disparity of force ; he had only one British regiment,
and though he relied on his other troops his dependence was
mo't upon this corps, which he place:) in the front of the battle.
He had no reserve ; he attacked with a combination of all his
torte, artillery, infantry, and cavalry. That combination was
apparent in both battles, and had he not adopted this system it
would have been scarcely possible to have succeeded. Ile
contended that not even the victories of Lord Clive, who laid
the foundation of their military and political power in India,
not even the splendid exploits of the Cornwallises, the Moiras,
and the Wellesleys—not even the first great battle of the " Hero
of a hundred fights"—hid conduced more to the reputation of
their arms than these actions. Their.empire in India was only
raised by military power; he did not ask.yyhat took them first
to India; their first places of occupation were trading stations;
but they could never have been able to have held them.but for
the military force. The present actions had confirmed their
power in India, and were, therefore, not less deserving the
thanks of the House than the actions of the illustrious men he
had alluded to.

Mr. B. HAWES said he did not intend to go into the
general policy of the occupation of Sinde ; but he thought
there was no precedent for a vote of thanks on the present
occasion, inasmuch as there had been no declaration of war.

We committed the aggression in the first instance, by invading
the territory of Sinde. We then attempted to enforce one
treaty, and set aside another already existing. He must say,-
therefore, it would be hard to find a precedent for a vote of
thanks, under such circumstances. Ile did not wish to detract
from the military reputation of Sir C. Napier. If they were
:merely called on to thank him, as a General Officer, for a
brilliant exploit, he should feel it his duty to do so. But Sir
Charles was vested with the supreme political command of
Sinde, as well as that of the army. The diplomatic agents
were all removed, and Major Outram was placed entirely under
Sir C. Napier. Had Major Outram's advice been followed,
these battles would not have been fought. It had not hitherto
been the practice to give the thanks of the House for one soli-
tary brilliant exploit ; but, lately, it had become the custom to
do so,—thereby lessening its value. Sir C. Napier had shown
a disposition to carry on his negotiations by force, and if the
House passed this vote of thanks, it would be establishing a
dangerous precedent, one of setting aside the rules of negotia-
tion, and resorting at once to the sword,—thus giving a pre-
mium to war and blond.
Commodore Sir C. NAPIER said, he rose under no ordinary
feelings, to return his thanks to the Right Hon. Baronet.for the
eloquent manner in which he had brought forward the services
of his g Haat relative, and for the honour he had done himself,
by speaking of him in a manner which he certainly did not
expect. The Right Hon. Bat onet had mentioned the services
of his gallant relative, beginning at the battle of Corunna, and
following him through all the operations in the Peninsula. But
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hoped the House would permit him to mention there here,
as the question under discussion was a vote of thanks; to be
given to him. At the battle of Corunna it was perfectly noto-
rious that, when leading on the 50th Regiment, it being the
drat time he was in action, he advanced far beyond his men,
something stopped them, and, while trying to bring them on,
he was surrounded by a French corps, was cut down by a sabre
stroke, was pierced in the back by a stab, was shot in the leg
by a ball, and had two of his ribs broken by a musket shot !
Now he really thought that this was a dose enough for any
man !—(Cheers and laughter.) He was then taken prisoner
and conveyed to the quarters of Marshals Soult and Ney, by
whom he was carefully nursed, and restored to his i family
without an exchange. He was sure that. there was no man,
either in England or France, who would more rejoice at
hearing of the exploits of his Gallant Friend in India than
Marshal Soult.—(Cheers,) When he returned to England
he obtained permi.sion to join the at my in Spain, under the
Duke of Wellington, and they first heard of him at the pas-
sage of the Donn), where he had a horse shot under him. He
was afterwards at Busaeo, as an amateur.—(Laughter.) He

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(Commodore Napier) was also there as an amateur himself.—
(Cheers.) At Busaco his gallant relative was shot through
the nose and jaw while by his side, and fell into his (Commo-
dore Napier's) arms—( Cheers. )--he himself bore him from the
field.—(Cheers.) He was a man of heroic courage, but pos-
sessing also the coolness so requisite in a soldier, and he well
remembered that while watching the movements of the armies,
he observed to his gallant relative that he was dressed in his,
red coat—that he had ;on the uniform of his regiment, though
the staff wore blue. He told him that he was doing wrong—
that he would be marked out, and that he ought.
to put on his cloak. He said "No ! it is the
uniform of my regiment, and in it I will stand or
fall."—( Loud cheers.) The words were hardly t pro-
nounced before he was struck; he fell into his arms,
and he bore him off the field. As he bore him away they met
the Duke of Wellington, and, the spirit of the soldier being
strong within him, though the frame was weak, he took off his
hat and cheered, saying " I cannot die at a better moment."—
(Cheers.) In the surgical operation he underwent afterwards
he showed the same courage ; he held him while the bail was
extracted, and he minded it no more than if it had been a tooth
drawn ; he said not a word.—( Cheers.) After he recovered
he was present at the battle of Fuentes D'Onor, where, for
once, he escaped without a wound. He was then at Bidassos,
where. though he escaped again, he had two brothers wounded,
and received his promotion. His next service was under
Admiral Sir G. Cockburn. Here, though the fighting was
not quite of so regular a kind as in Spain, it was quite as
hard. They next found him, as a civil officer in the
island of Cephalonia, and it was well known that no man ever
did more, in a civil situation, for the improvement of is
country than Sir C. Napier did for the island of Cephalonia.
They next heard of him as Commander of the District of the
North of England, and, Radical as he was, and as he ac-
knowledged he was—( Hear, hear)—he believed that the Noble
Lord then at the head of the Home Department, would tes-
tify that no man could have better commanded the army in
that district at a time when there was considerable difficulty.
—(" Hear, hear," from Sir Robert Peel.) He kept the
whole of that district perfectly quiet, as much so as any man
who was totally and perfectly on the side of the Government.
—( Hear, hear.) He next came to what he had done in India.
The Right Hon. Baronet had sa well described the whole of
his conduct there, from the time lie took the command, that
it would be neeeaary for him to say but every little on the
subject. Still the House, he hoped, would excuse him if he
dwelt a little complacently on his relative's services,
and the manner in which he had performed them.—
( Hear, hear.) They had nothing to do with the policy that
dictated these movements, but only with his conduct as a
general officer in the command of an army. If the policy was
bad, let them try and punish him, if they pleased; but as a
general officer, he was sorry that the Noble Lord had touched
on the question of policy at all. In the first reports that came
home of the battle of Meeanee he said that he had 2,800 men
to meet an enemy 20,000 strong. But on examining the
army it was said that he had 2,090 men. He, however, had it
from Sir Charles himself that he had only 1,700 bayonets, and
that the whole number of his force only amounted to 2,000.
The number of the enemy was stated at 22,000 ; another
report gave it as 25,000; but he (Commodore Napier)
knew that it amounted to 39,000 men.—(Cheers.) He
knew not in ancient or modern history anything like an officer
with so small a body of men overcoming so enormous a dis-
parity of numbers. These 30,000 men were posted in a strong
position ; and in such a position he was perfectly astonished
that the Ameers had not driven the English army into the
Indus or anywhere else.—( Laughter.) The Sepoys were
broken on that occasion, and Sir Charles wrote home
that they were rallied by their officers; but he did not state
what was the fact, that they were rallied by himself.—( Cheers. )
He now came to the battle of Hyderabad; there Sir Charles
had a force of 5,000 men, and with the prestige of the former
battle with him, he could have beaten a hundred thousand.

The Ameers had the experience of their former defeat to teach
them, and yet they were beaten there with more facility than
at first. He had heard gallant officers in India speak of the
nullabs of that country, and the one which Sir C. Napier carried
was 40 feet broad, and 72 feet deep. His gallant relation was
riding his horse " Red Rover"—( Laughter)—and when he
came to the brink of the nullah, he started at the sight, but the
spirit which animated the man was communicated even to the
horse—(Cheers)—and carried him through it. But nothing
could have done it except great excitement—the, same
sort of excitement as he felt in hunting in the fields
of
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admitted,t(hataughh.ad Sir Charles Napier waited
twenty-four hours longer before he made the attack, he would
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have been surrounded by 59,000 or 60,000 men. One of the
Ameers admitted, on the evening in which the battle was
fought, that 12,000 fresh troops were assembled in the neigh-
bourhood of Hyderabad. This, he thought, was a sufficient
justification of his gallant relative for having fought the battle
when he did. He would now make a few observations on the
speech of the Noble Lord, the Member for Sunderland, and he
must say that he greatly differed from him. The Noble Lord
said that Sir C. Napier must have been a diplomatist, since
he corresponded with Major Outram, though he did not follow
the Major's advice. Now be begged to say that he approved as
much of the diplomacy of his noble relative as he did of his
fighting propensities.—( Laughter. ) Ile went to Sinde with
distinct and positive orders from Lord Ellenborough, and had
he' not carried out the instructions he received,
he presumed that Lord Ellenborough would have found
fault with him. Bat the Blue Book showed that
Lord Ellenborough apprrred of what he had done, and if
if he was wrong in so doing, the blame must rest with Lord
Ellenborough, and not with his gallant relative. They were
here passing a vote of thanks to him for his conduct as a mili-
tary officer alone. and he thought the Noble Lord would have
shown more wisdom had he deferred any remarks on the general
policy of the question till a future opportunity, which it seemed
was to be afforded them. The Noble Lord admitted that the
Ameers plotted against us. Now he should like to know what
the limitation of plotting was? How far were they to be
allowed to go on plotting ? Were they to be allowed to plot to
cut our throats, for instance ?—( Laughter.) That was to him
a sort of thing which he could not at all understand.—
( Laughter. ) Then the Noble Lord brought forward a letter
of Mr. Eastwick's. But had Mr. Eastwick any responsibility?
—( Hear, hear.) It was easy for him to say, after all was over,
that had Sir Charles Napier done this or that, things
would have been otherwise. But if anything had gone wrong,
was Mr.lEastwick in any way responsible ?—( Hear, hear. )
Had Sinde been an ord;nary climate like that of Europ", and
had his gallant relation an army of 10,000 men, it might be
perfectly right for him to temporise and go on slowly, but
when they knew that in the intense heat of the climate of Shade
one week or fortnight might destroy a whole army, he sholld
like to a'k, could any commander of an army in such circum-
stanees defer his movements ? The Noble Lord also made a
comparison of the battles of Meeanee and Hyderabad with the
battle of Navarino, )Now, he should like to know, in the name

of God, what resemblance the Noble Lord thought there was
between those battles. He said that a vote of thanks was re-
fused to Sir E. Codringten because the battle of Navarino was
an accident—an " untoward event " in fact. Sir
Edward Codringtan went to Navarino, where ships
were lying of different flags and nations, manned by barbarians,
amongst whom a single musket fired would kick up a general
blaze..—(Laughter.) A musket was fired, and a general blaze
took place. But at the battle of Hyderabad, was that an acci-
dent there ? Why, the Ameers attacked the Residency with
strong force; Major Outram was obliged to retire, after
having gallantly defended himself, and arrived at the camp of
Sir Charles Napier. Now, under these circumstances, he
should like to know what was Sir Charles Napier to do ? Was
he to look idly on? Was he to retire? What was he to do?
Why, the only thing he had•to do was to fight, aad he (the Gal-
lant Commodore) thought if he had not done that he ought to
have been hanged.—(Cheers and laughter.) The Noble Lord
said there was no declaration of war. It was true there was no
declaration of war, but it was not the custom to declare war now.
They had been fighting from four to five years with China, and
yet no declaration of war had been made. Why? Perhaps
the Chancellor of the Exchequer could tell. When the
Ameers assisted the Beloochees was not that a sufficient de-
claration of war ?—( Hear.) If the French sent troops to
Ireland, would not that be considered a competent reason fur
declaring war against France ?_( Hear, hear.) He rather
thought the gentlemen of the House of Commons would be of
that opinion.—( A laugh.) lie felt sure that if the Noble
Lord was in the Residency he would say, " 1 am sure, Sir
Charles Napier, it is high time for you to come and defend
me." He would be anxious to put an end to the state
of uncertainty and danger in which he found himself.
The Noble Lord sail there was great military means. What
means ? Two thousand men. What means had the
Ameers? Thirty thousand men. The Noble Lbrd talked
a great deal about glory, and of the impropriety of encourag-
ing too great a desire for military exploits, in order to obtain a
vote of thanks from the House of Commons. He did not ap-
prehend there would be a great many amateurs who would be
willing to tight against 30,0(X) men with 2,000 men.—( Laughter
and cheers.) And then the glory—where was the glory ?
The glory or running the risk of getting all their throats cut.
The Noble Lord talked about the danger of allowing a mili-
tary man to transact diplomatic affairs. He (Sir C. Napier)
had been in her Majesty's service a loog time, and he must
certainly say that it was a very:dangerous practice for him whe
had laid aside the sword, to take up the pen. Let them go
back to Constantinople—they had a diplomatic agent there.
But how are our affairs managed by him? Why the flea came
hack with its tail between its legs.—(Laughter.) Sir John
Moore was of opinion that these men always got the countries
they represented into scrapes. When they took up the pen
they d:d not know how to wield it, having been so long accus-
tomed to the sword. They had a diplomatic agent in Sinde—
what did he do? Any man that took up the Blue Book would
see that the diplomatist, so far from bringing things to an amicable
termination, had, in endeavouring to settle matters with his pen,
brought the army into jeopardy, and they had to be rescued
by the sword.—( Hear, hear.) The two offices—diplomatist
and general—ought not to be mixed up together; and, thank
God! they had a General who relied upon himself sooner
than the diplomacy.—(Loud cheers.) If it had been to any
other man for whom the cote was proposed, and who had
acted similarly, he would have been just as ready to testif: his
conscientious approbation of his conduct.—(Loud and pro-
longed cheering.)

Mr. BING4IAM BARING vindicated the manner in
which the papers relating to Indian affairs had been laid before
the House. It had been said that the conduct of Major
Outram had been placed before the House in an unfavourable
point of view. He (Mr. B. Baring) was not conscious of
having, done so. General Napier was not in the situation of
responsibility to Major Outram. He certainly had received
certain advises from Major Outram, but he was not bound to
follow his instructions ; and in his (Sir Charles Napier's) letter
to the Governor-General, he certainly justified himself for not
following the course recommended by Major Outram. Sir
Charles Napier entertained a different opinion, and that
opinion he followed upon his own responsibility. No blame
could be attributed to Major Outram—no blame could be at-
t.: ibuted to Sir Charles Napier. After some further ob-
servations to the same effect, and reading some extracts from
the Blue Book to justify his views, the Hon. Gentleman sat
down amidst partial cheering.
Mr. C. WOOD thought that the Hon. and gallant Com-
modore had unjustly censured his Noble Friend Lord Howick.
His Noble Friend had discharged a duty very painful to him, in
declaring his opinion in favour of the course which he meant to
pursue; but at the same time he gave the highest praise to Sir
C. Napier for his military skill and courage, and that, too,
from the beginning to the end of his speech.—(Hear, hear.)
But his Noble Friend was of opinion that it was in this case
impossible to separate the military from the political, and so
it appeared to him (Mr. Wood). The present vote of thanks
was utterly inconsistent, in the manner in which:it had been
drawn up, to that which had been proposed to Sir Edward
Codrington, and to those principles which had been on that
occasion laid down by Mr. Huskisson and the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite. According to the opinions professed by both
these Members on that occasion, the present vote of thanks
could not consistently be given to Sir C. Napier, for they were
of opinion that a formal declaration of war must take place
before a vote of thanks could be voted by that House.
The Hon. and Gallant officer ( Sir Charles Napier) says that
it is not the practice of later times to make a declaration of
war—where there was danger we fought at once, and so at
once did away with the danger. On this principle he had ar-
gued war was commenced against Denmark. Toulouse, too,
had been referred to. That was a strong case in favour of his
Noble Friend the Member fin. Sunderland. We were engaged
in a war—in a war recognised by all the usual formalities—and
which had been preceded by a regular declaration—and having
no reason to know that peace had been agreed on, the Duke of
Wellington fought one of his hardest battles, and gained one of
the most brilliant of his victories. The country heaped honours
upon him, but Parliament did not vote thanks. But the Hon.
and Gallant Of4cer (Sir C. Napier) said that we had voted
thanks to armies for services in India and China, in connection
with wars which had not been preceded by any declaration.
Now, in Affghanistan there had been a declaration of war ;
bet in the case of China there was this distinction, that the
power of peace or war, of remaining at the one or com-
mencing the other, was not vested in the military com-
mander.—(Hear, hear.) The rule of Parliament was
that the person in whom centered the power of continuing at
peace, or entering upon war should not be entitled to the
thanks of Parliament. In all that his Noble Friend (Lord
Howick) had uttered he had borne the strongest testimony
to the skill, intrepidity, and valour of General Napier, and
every man under his command. The objections he had ad-
vanced were solely on the grounds of uniformity, and in con-
sonance with all previous precedents and principles. If the
Ho Ise was prepared to disregard these, as he believed it was—
( Hear, hear, hear)—it was but right it should know that in so
doing it was acting in direct inconsistency with its own re-
corded decision.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD said, it gave him no small
surprise, after the speech of the Noble Lord (Lord Howick)
that he was not prepared to put the House to the test of the
sentiments which he had uttered, by bringing it to a division.
—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") He (Mr. Crawford )for one
felt strongly the force of those arguments which had been
used, and others which had not been used, in reference to the
question then before them. He felt that the blouse, by such
votes as that now proposed, identified itself in some degree
with the origin of the causes of these wars. He did not
wish to identify himself with such wars as those in India,
and China, and he thought the House should always limit its
thanks to such wars as they could approve of the origin. He
meant to cast no slur on General Sir Charles Napier ; far
from it; but he felt that many officers had not fair play, for
they were used almost like mere machines, and were often
forced to engage in wars which they could by no means ap-
prove. Ile could never approve such wars as those which
had lately taken place in India and China. Disapproving,
as he did, of those wars—disapproving, as he did, the conduct
of the Noble Lord (Lord Howick) in quoting the excellent
precedent of Mr. Huskisson, and vet declining to follow it,

he (Mr. Crawford) should give him an opportunity of prov-
ing his sincerity by now moving the " previous question."—
( Cheers. )
Mr. BROTHERTON seconded the motion.
Mr. B. ESCOTT said it was most important that a great
country like this should bestow its grateful thanks on meri-
torious and gallant officers in a free, generous, and ungrudg-
ing spirit. It would have been much fairer, far more noble
►n the Noble Lord ( Howick) and his friends to have met the
motion by a direct negative, rather than have attempted, as
they had done, to pare it down, and throw discredit on the
motives and actions of the chief parties in the transactions.
The Noble Lord brought forward his precedents, but, to his
( Mr. Escott's) mind they were precedents which did
not at all apply. The circumstances of the case
were altogether unprecedented. Sir Charles Napier's
position was unprecedented, his energy and valour, and the
energy and valour of those under him, unprecedented—and the
result of the battle unprecedented.—( Hear, hear.) But what
were the terms in which the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir R.
Peel) asked for this vote of thanks ? Why for "military ope-
rations in Sinde." These were the words. The Noble Lord,
and those who agreed with him, all bore testimony to the mili-
tary skill and valour of General Napier and his troops—the
words of the motion referred to "military operations" alone—
and where, then, was the ground on which they proposed their
opposition should rest ? He was unable to account for their
conduct, or to reconcile their practice with their professions.
He trusted, however, the Hon. Member for Rochdale (Mr.
Crawford) who was always ,consistent and straightforward in
his conduct in that House,' would test the sentiments and
sincerity of the Noble Lord and his few friends, by dividing the
/louse on the " previous question."
Dr. BOWRING could not agree to The motion before she
Houle, as he disapproved 'bf all oressive war, and he
could not honour its instruments.— 'ries of" Divide.")
Lord PALMERSTON—As the ouse is going to divide
upon this question, Sir, I wish to state, in a few words the
grounds upon which I found my intention to give the motion
of the Right Hon. Gentleman my most cordial and warm
support.—( Cheers. ) I cannot allow myself to consider this
motion as one involving in any degree whatever any polit►cal
considerations. I look upon it simply as a proposal to confer
upon most distinguished merit the thanks of this House, which

are the greatest reward that can be conferred upon those who
have bled in the defence of their country.---(Cheers.) I dis-
card willingly from my consideration all those topics which
involve the question of whether the treatment of the Ameers
was justifiable or not ; or whether the policy pursued by Lord
Ellcnborough was or was not contrary to justice. I will not
permit myself to look at the political transactions in India in
which Sir Charles Napier was involved in his political capacity.
--( Cheers.) I see that the most brilliant exploits have been
performed by the British troops. These exploits are almost
without example, both with reference to the disparity of the
forces, and the results of the victories. I think there never
has been an occasion on which it would be more becoming
in the House to mark its approbation of the skill and valour
displayed. I say skill as well as valour, because I think that
the sagacity Sir Charles Napier, as shown in the course of
his military operations —I mean military sagacity—was not
less conspicuous than the bravery displayed in the action it-
self. Now, my Noble Friend, and others on this side, con-
ceive that what took place at the battle of Navarino ought
to prevent our agreeing to this motion. I eannot see any
itlaitity in the two cases. The battle of Navarino was an
accidental conflict which took place between our fleet, a combined
fleet, anti the fleet of a nation with whom we were not
at war, and with whom we did not afterwards become at war
We remained upon terms of peace with the Sultan, and Par-
liament stated that its thanks could not be voted for the victory,
on account of the conflict having been an accidental one. We
did not wish to disturb our peaceful relations with Turkey by
adopting a proceeding which would have been exceedingly dis-
courteous to the Sultan. But no man will say that we were
not at war with the Ameers. If that is not war which begins
with a battle, and ends with dethronement, I certainly am at a
loss to know what war is. lam sure the Ameers would not at
all be disposed to acquiesce in the interpretation my Noble
Friend has given of the transactions which have taken place.
I give this vote my most cordial support, reserving myself as to
any opinion I may entertain with regard to those political ques-
tions with which the late transactions have been connected.
Mr. 0. STANLEY would not take part in the division, but
he would take that opportunity of saying, that in his opinion the
letter of Sir Charles Nanier to the Ameers of Sinde, had
greatly tarnished the laurels of that gallant officer.—(Cries of
" Divide, divide.")
Strangers then ordered to withdraw, and the Honsc di-
vided, when the numbers were—
For the motion 164
Against it
Majority
PRESENCE OF STRANGERS AT DEBATES.

Mr. CHRJSTIE rose to bring forward a motion respect-