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oat,
Stan, "t generelly used on the transfer of personal
'ot it.'''"Y• 'With respect to the second question, he could
; Y Viet there were many things which he would
I'e ell. willing ts do ; hut he did not wish to encumber
j.et t f his propositior.
Gs,,: beIILLY could not agree with the Right Hon.
Ansel man as regarded his proposi ion to increase the
itarllt stamp duty on leae.es in Irelitrl. It was t f great
that deco that leases should be nenerally granted in
leiThtheth,?.ntraa ald that increase ( f duty' would interfere
e pm,
Pitsa'` (111-Nr; ELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
rt,,'"cien on the who's, woul I considerably reduce the
logos„ duty on h aces in Ireland. On some classes of
ltlisj:„1" would, no d mbt, increase them; but upon the
eot these would be a reduction.
liiatittel SIBTHORP thought it hardly fair of his
lli;' • 'ion. Friend to claim a surplus while the debts of
a,,e°antry remained still unpaid. He was sorry the
tedsernaleht had given no intimation of an intention to
thttee the duty on fi:e insurances. if they did reduce
dost,llutY one-half he was satisfied they would obtain
sire' e present revenue from them.
os,: REYNOLDS admitted the proposition of the
la,:,henent was an improvement upon the present sp.-
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i; utit he regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman
Irei4°t extend the indulgence shown to this country to
'tat til.cl• By the late regulation of the st imp law, Ire-
iter,,"'4l 150,000/, a year additional placed upon her for
est,•l',i staaap duty—no doubt by the way of compen-
la, i' mr the income-tax—though Ireland had no clear
Hs.e,s()lne in existence. He was sorry that the Right
eat at',entlenian did not propose to relieve solicitors
is th:tc)rheYs in Ireland, who had to pay 81. per annum
sail,' country and 12/ in Dublin, though the stamps
I,isi• their indentures and admission cost no less than
loop, A 3 regaaded the stamp duties upon bills, the
ktls„4l of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be a ells-
41C6`:ge to the poorer class of bill-drawers by making
lodes ''' stamp necessary, when a 6d. stamp was now
iiiii„l'llt in bills under 101. He regretted, also, that the
'illeejw tax was not abolished, though it was not paid
to try for he thought that in no well-governed
lifd: should there be an impost upon light and air.
atial rIERBERT was understood to say that the stamp
°llitieltse above 100/. a year would cause a higher tax
he tenant than was now paid.
hsDne eIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
it. • -Bed s
es, .0 assimilate the stamp duties in both coun-
,r4 k 1 The effect would be to reduce the duty on leases
I,res,,,TwErtmount„ and increase it on those of a high
Itl ' there were some cases of exception in Ire-
lello tif Irish Members preferred to retain these excep-
edn't,le could not help thinking them in error; but he
kte.want to raise the question if Irish Members did
sir ire it.
!ks j'PRBES said the proposition of the Government
Ifk,„4licrous as a'compensation for the distress and
11/41,-,,tt under which, as' the Right Hon, Gentleman
110,-,"slitted, the country now laboured. The Chan-
likllesc' the Exchequer professed great sympathy for the
"51aa• teennta; but he (Mr. Forbesa should have
4a7t More if the Government if the Right Hon. Gen-
,4:4- l'sd proposed to relieve thorn.
.The reduction of
"ss,„%nP duty on leases would not relieve the tenant—
,,,le,(lo"Y in Scotland, where they were settled without
'ilea' 'lamps. The flourish about the brick duty was
'aere ludicrous. What benefit could it confer on
Ltas-", Where houses were for the most part built of
kl,,,°' Upon' many of the a;ricultural distaicts in
,Li
~, and Ireland ? Tne Chancellor of the Exche-
lli V 'poke of a probable rise in the price of corn ;
r::'4l not stated the probable amount, nor what
Ntts,:t Would be likely ta stand at, between 345. the
1,11,4;' the present price, and 565, the price which was
Njo.qe°'unerating to the farmer. Nor had the Right
A
entletnan stated when he would come forward
N.P'"Pesition calculated to raise the present ruinous
~l4s, t„
~'"'9as,,'"lOAN reminded the Chancellor of the Ex-
.",(l ~,- that a great majority of the holdings in Ire-
ta,,,,•e'e tinder 501., and so far as that country was
~,liss,„"eti the principle of the measure, which was to
Thy the humbler classes, could not be carriad out.
,e ,lIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
v,al:,'''„e questions of detail, and it would be better to
flis-st°ena till the Bill was before the House.
, 'es Motion was then agreed to.
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e,i._ e resumed, and the report was ordered to
~ red to-morrow.
lat DRAINAGE OF LAND.
gimpouse then went into Committee on the drainage
liovernent of land.
,Io,„IANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said, he
',Lir:ones° to the House a resolution, authorising
'Nis:: of the Treasury to advance, for the purposes
,Irei ge and improvement of land in Great Britain
•kahl'Os a sum not exceeding 3,000,000/. sterling.
biPlecessary for him to recer to the benefits to be
!lik'rtl the measure, and he should therefore con-
vii,;l:lf a ith moving the resolution.
. °JACK ALLsuggestecithe propriety of extend-
lissa,°a.iects for which the money would be granted
,reasury.
lihei lIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had
it ,3 resolution so large, and in such general terms,
lith"1141 be competent for Hon. Members to propose
its,;t ohjects. It would be inconvenient to express,
iso'°,ll, upon that point now, but the Hon. Gentle-
itthsum not be precluded from moving grants fur
alit, Proper mode of improving land.
i7„4l', OYARD said this appeared to him a very
sti°t-40e mode of proceeding. It was raising reye-
ton,4t caoital, as had been done by some of the ratl-
- Whether the money was to be ad-
'wa °re the money in hand, or was to be raised by
aill!, was immaterial to his argument. He un-
ta,,,Lhe money was to be repaid by instalments, in
se of the next twenty years, and he wanted to
kt,)il ether these repayments were to he carried to
(hilt of the revenue, supposing there happened to
'it, or were they to go to a fund to he appro.
s'„ tPees,l , for the reduction of the richt?
04 )
4, w ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
6 ,i4s exceedingly simple. Non-payments of that
'telttli',ever—so far as he was aware—been carried to
, th-'‘ of the revenue; nothing could be more mond-
-11011 such a proceeding; but those sum, ha
been carried to the credit cf the Consolidated
ka„."o had stated the other night that, as these re-
,3„ exceeded the advances and began to accu-
tt,,,r'e hoped that 'some future Chancellor of the
1,“,„4• Would do what be would then be justly
l' vhcia to do—namely, to apply the money to the
itl"
"f the public debt of the country.
1
pi4wer to questions from several. other Hon.
a.
.014NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
•,Ittitte nearly all questions of detail which
.it would
ih be nearly
to reserve until the Bill was printed and
lott,arfa of Hon. Members.
01 GULLY regretted the sum to be advanced to
Is, 'l's so small, and thought that the construction
It'.l4lLinQs of railway would be more advantageous.
5( `-',•NSELL wished to know what was the. real
th .
alr, e ease with regard to arterial drainage in Ire-
la' Whether abuses in the management t f the
kllvailed? He suggested that the Right Hon. Gen-
isa4,,h'nild be prepared to make some statement on
p'vrbefore the Bill again came on for discussion.
,/eiIsgANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said it
tap ally impossible that the Treasury could exer-
'Oro' in detail over the drainage works going on
Ir,itlattsr of Ireland. They had dune all they could,
ith•eht over an eminent engineer officer to overlook
ti „tors t,f drainage in Ireland.
rt:AAS said the statement that had been made
5f it goad reason why they should have au amen
otie4.lN)real;Ali
Lag,eoAnc
I Act.
the EXCHEQUER said
vs, t4hything went wrong in Ireland tne Govern-
asked to bring in an Act of Parliament. If
lose Lord bad any complaint to make, he ought to
'She„ Board of Works, and no' to the Treasury.
I,it AFFORD said, after what they had heard,
tie hot be much surprised if there was a very ani-
ltOsle in the next stage of the Bill. He had al-
it' that although there might be some advantage
14)1 of grants, there were also disadvantages,
t :,aally, therefore, he would never take a farthing
Ilibi°hey. The Right Hon. Gentleman said it was
ii, for the Treasury to control those abuses, but
IsYstem might be devised.
Ifijr'4NCELLOR of the 'EXCHEQUER said no
iks Ile had not admitted the existence of any
IQ° had stated that in all those cases applications
rt; ttlatie to the Board of Works, and not to the
''s •s: The Government bad bai appeal after ap-
tiii'4 the Irish Members, and they had been told
"eir.hveragan that where three parties were in-
its,4,l' land, and wished to have it drained, they
fla,llsagree unless the Government interfered.
',lii 'IN LEY said it had been shown in evidence be-
ts,'4s
hMiscellaneous Committee, that the Board. of
75,,,,,,s very much overloaded with duties. Giving
"iilit to the Government for a wish to do their
,es4t,uteught it was impossible they could do it in
',..1f,;,.tit ease. He was not surprised to hear com-
VII the Irish Members as to the way in which
'''l„. Works had been carried on. He believed that
)ti;te! had bean taxed iu a manner not very saris-
' them.
''lr ROGAN did not think that the Government
'rPlything better than to advance the money fur
,Vit named. He would suggest to the Govern-
Pl:topriety of permitting the immediate parties
Na.,":l the arterial drainage to execute these im-
,'4•\',,s themselves, under the supervision of the
~r,,,,orks. All unnecessary expenses in the exti-
I/411,,e5e works would be thereby avoided.
It;"r:LAWNY felt it necessary to eater his
:stile any of these grants being made, as he had
11(;,4eted by his constituents to say that they had
~L'es"., tl apply to these purposes. There were many
N 'ehces attending the present proposition. Oce
Is the lion. Members themselves did net agree
'IIIPtY in which the money was to be divided,
as .',l: was holding out an inducement to the Irish
v pt
to demand money for railways and other
,1114 There was no end to these demands. He did
it, "ere they were to stop. It appeared to him
olas but a part of a great Socialist or Corn-
Jerrie The Chancellor of the Exchequer him-
it, . •
tti rnishei the best argument that could be made
,'ltt',ll)roposition when he said that it was impos-
:a "'ere could be a supervision of the management
f tNeeted improvements.
4'%,th(loltNlAN MAHON reminded the Hon.
ilt-"at this was not to be a grant., but a loan of
4T,-,4 most excellent security. They had the evi-
Iktih:4o Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of
h 'Tier himself that these loans had been paid
*Ste Ireland than any ether portion of the
4'
;];AlRESexplained. t,
kit, Ct-lIT had spent some days during the last
'to visiting those extensive works, and he was
al's 84Y that the mode in which those works were
tei ot
t71„.:-. on was, to him, extremely satisfactory.
It '-' Part' 1 iv to Castleber, Galway, and other
, t• .Cl.l 1r .
A4L the west of Ireland. He examined those
Utely,.. ..Le iy,,Aat through the system of book-