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SUPPLY.

The House then went into a Committee of Supply.
Sir G. CLERK rose to move the civil contingencies
and miscellaneous estimates. He felt glad to be able to
assure the 'House that a considerable reduction would
be made in the grant this year from what it had been
last year. For the last year, the sum required was
130,000/, while for the present, he should only move for
100,0001. for the payment of the civil contingencies.
Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the enormous sums
which were voted annually to defray the expenses of
Ambassadors at Foreign Courts. There was a charge of
4,1451. for the expenses of the embassy to Hanover.
Now, the least thing, he thought, which the King of Ha-
novercould do, in return for the 21,0001. which he received
annually from this country, was to take care of its inte-
rests at his own Court. He objected also to a charge
which he saw for the conveyance, in some of the vessels
of war, of two Princes of Prussia and their respective_
suites—Prince Adelberg from Rio de Janiero to Pera,
and another Prince from Java to Beyrout, and thence
to Constantinople. He thought it quite enough to furnish
them with vessels to convey them and their suites from one
place to another without at the same time paying the
14. objectionza rd and
ex-
penses of their passage. There was another charge, of
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Main's bill o
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cellor of England. He thought that if the Lord Chan-
cellor left himself open in his official capacity to such a
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the
eveerrny heavy
ors to some of our petty colonies—for instance, to
Van Diemen's Land and New Zealand, in each of which
the cost was 8001. That was a monstrous charge. Why
the population of New Zealand did not amount to more
than 5,000 persons altogether. It ought to be shown
whether such charg©s were at all necessary. There
were several others of a similar kind, but he referred to
these as being of the largest amount. Again, the ex-
penses for robes and collars for the Knights of the seve-
ral Orders were charged at 1,2021, and the bill of Messrs.
Gerrard and Co. for repairing the same was no less than
1,1521. Now this was an expenditure to which he altogether
objected, for he thought the. Knights themselves ought
to pay for their own decorations. Then there was the
funeral of the late Duke of Sussex. No one more highly
esteemed that lamented nobleman when alive, nor had
greater veneration for his memory, but still he thought
that a charge of 1,3521. for his funeral expenses could
and ought to have been avoided. With respect to
colonial bishops, they had been often told in that
Mouse when the matter was discussed, that they gave
rise to no public expenditure. Now, he found that no
less than five of those colonial bishops were receiving
the public money, and employing our ships of war and
steamers, in conveying them from one place to another.
They were the Bishops of Jamaica, Newfoundland,
Tasmania, Gibraltar—and with respect to the latter
he found a charge of 210/. for the conveyance of
him-
self and suite on board her Majesty's steam-vessel, the
Devastation, from Gibraltar to Constantinople and
back. He thought it was quite enough to have sup-
plied the Right Rev. Prelate with the passage in a Go-
vernment vessel, without also paying for the expenses
of his suite. There was another item, which he re-

quested the Right Hon. Baronet to be good enough to
explain. It was to the Bishop of Chester for preachers
in Lancashire, for eleven years and a half, begin-
ning on the 15th of April, 1832, and ending
on the 10th of October, 1843, 1,3221. Bs. He sup-
posed that the money bad been refused by the
late Government, and hence the present demand. He
should like to know the reason that could be assign:d
for another another singular vote, namely, for watering
Parkgate-street, in Dublin, in the summers of 1841 and
1842, 68/. 17s. 6d. There was another vote to which ho

wished to call attention, namely, the sum of 4001. for the
College of St. David's. He did not regret that there
was such an item ; he only complained of the sum as
being too small, being quite inadequate to supply a good
system of education for the clergy of Wales who were
educated there. In fifteen parishes, in the immediate
neighbourhood of that college, the tithes were in the
hands of one lay impropriator to the amount of not less
than 6,000/. each parish, thus furnishing 4,000!. to that
single layman, while the twenty-one clergymen who
served those parishes received 71/. lOs. from each. He
mentioned these facts to show that there was no induce-
ment held out to men of ability and education to enter
the Church there, and that to those who did enter it, the
means of obtaining a good education was not furnished.
He thought, if the funds of St. David's College were en-
riched, it would confer a most important benefit on the
Established Church in that part of the country. The two
richly endowed universities, Oxford and Cambridge, re-
ceived 2,000/. annually from the public funds ; and the
colleges and universities of Scotland received annually
7,080/. from the same source ; and the Dublin Society
in Ireland received 12,6781., besides 1.5001. a year for
the ordinary purposes of education ; and last year the
London University received 4,548/. from this House.
When sums were thus liberally expended in other quar-
ters, he trusted that the case of St. David's College
would be taken into consideration by the Government,
and he assured them that the cause of the great extent
to which Dissent existed in that part of the country. had
been mainly owing to the want of suffivient provision
for the clergy of the Established Church there, and to
the not affording them the means of a liberal and en-
lightened education, which every clergyman of the
Church of England ought to have.
Dr. BOW RING said there was one item on which he
would take the liberty of asking a question. The Noble
Lord the Member for Tiverton (Lord Palmerston) when
in office had pointed out the disadvantage of having our
diplomatic interests dependent in a great measure upon
strangers, who were used us intepreters by our Minis-
nisters in eastern countries, and had shown the neces-
sity of educating some young men of this country in
the languages of the East, for the purpose of acting as
interpreters in negotiations. He (Dr. Bowring) there-
fore wanted to know whether there were any young
men exercising public functions of that nature in Con-
stantinople ?
Sir G. CLERK said that the expenses of the embassy
at Constantinople were necessarily increased by.having
an establishment of dragomans, and the inconvenience of

employing foreigners in that capacity had been very
strongly felt. English subjects had in consequence been
instructed for some time back in the Turkish language,
in order that they might, when opportunity offered, take
the place of those foreigners. There could be no doubt
that solid advantages would be derived from the em-
ployment in this capacity of persons having the interests
and feelings of this country at heart, instead of merely
employing foreigners. The system which had been
referred to by the Noble Lord the Member for Tiverton
was still carried on. The Hon. Member for Coventry
had alluded to the expense arising from foreign princes
and foreigners of distinction on the occasion of their
obtaining a passage in some of her Majesty's ships.
The saving of the sums included in this item would be
very small, and not worthy of the consideration of this
country. With regard to the sums allowed for the con-
veyance of governors of colonies, it should be considered
that the charges for many years past had been anything
but extravagant. With respect to the charges for con-
veying out the colonial bishops, the expenses had been
very small, and as the salaries of those bishops were
also very small, he thought it could not be complained of
that the Government had undertaken that charge upon
itself. As to the charge for sending back the envoy
from the Imaum of Muscat—the fact was, that the envoy
had brought hither very valuable presents, which were
the more valuable on account of the effect which they
had of more strongly cementing our friendship with a
useful ally, and as the envoy was accompanied by a very
large retinue, it would not have been worthy of this
Government to allow him to go back at his own expense.
The charge of 2001. for the Bishop of Chester was for
the purpose of enabling him to pay for four preachers in
his diocese.

Sir C. NAPIER said that the charge in some instances
for the removal of functionaries from one station to another
was no more in each ease than it would cost the func-
tionary to remove from his country house to his town-
house; but he did not care whether the expense was
only 11. or 1,0001., the principle was the same.—(Hear.)
He saw some estimates for the expenses of the civil
service in China. He did not understand thoroughly
the nature of the disagreements between Sir H. Pottinger
and Admiral Parker, and he should like to have an ex-
planation from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite.
There was another point which he did not understand
—the expenses under the head of civil and military
service in the Levant.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the estimate was for expenses incurred in 1841, and paid
in 1843.

Sir C. NAPIER could not see why the country should
be put to so much expense for the benefit or those civil
officers. When an admiral was sent out he got an
allowance of plate—that was to say some half-dozen old
silver spoons.—(A laugh.) But he was at once charged
ten per cent. upon the value of the plate, which he was
required to return, and which he could procure from
any Jew (upon the same condition) for seven per cent.
—(A laugh.) He thought that all ought to be placed
upon equal terms. When civil officers and governors
were sent abroad, it would he better for the naval ser•
vice and for the pUblic purse if they were sent out in the
Government steam-packets, instead of sending upon
such a service a fine frigate, and putting the captain to
great inconvenience by compelling him to give up his
cabin. When Sir Robert Wilson was sent out to
Gibraltar, a fine frigate of fifty guns was em-
ployed to convey him, and was occupied five or
six months in the service, although the Government
had at their disposal at the time a magnificent steam.
ship upon the station, which would have carried him in
a few days, and had the most splendid accommodations
for the (governor and his suite. The accommodations
were quite good enough for her Majesty—(A laugh)—
and, in fact, her Majesty had sailed in that very ship.—
(Hear, and a laugh.) Ike would take the sense of the
House on this part of the estimates.—(Hear.)
Mr. lIUME said that his llon. Friend had been mis-
understood. He had not complained of the expenses of
the establishment for the education and training of
dragomans at Constantinople. He had only asked how
many young men there were under instruction, and
what progress had been made. He wished an explana-
tion respecting a sum of 6001. stated to have been paid for
the expenses of Mr. M'Gregor in Norway, and in respect
to some negotiations as to the Stade duties. It was pro-
mised last year that something should be done as to
these duties, and before he proceeded with any further
remarks he would give the opportunity to the Govern-
ment of stating any thing in reference to them they
might be enabled to do.
Lord STANLEY said, before the Hon. Member's
question was answered, the House, perhaps, would permit
him to give an explanation in reference to the remarks
of the Gallant Officer (Sir C. Napier) on the way in
which Sir Robert Wilson had been conveyed to Gib-
raltar. He (Lord Stanley) would take the liberty of
stating that there was no class of persons who suffered
such great losses from the expenses necessary to take
them to their destinations as Governors. In sending
out Ministers a grant was made, but there was none for
Governors, and nine-tenths of them were for the first,
second, and sometimes for the third year, out of pocket
for moneys they were compelled to raise to enable them
to accept and get out to their appointments. There was
no outfit ; but there was a certain fixed rate for them-
selves and families—be the family large or be it small
—according to the length of passage, and each Governor
had a right to demand that sum of money. It did so
happen sometimes that a ship was going out the very—
Sir C. NAPIER—The Warspite was not going out
at spithead, and was not
anywhere. She was lying
under orders.
Lord STANLEY—Yes, she was at Spithead or Ply-
mouth. Now, the passage-money to which Sir Robert
Wilson was entitled for going out was 200 L, and Sir
Alexander Woodford was entitled to the same sum for
his passage-money homewards. The Warspite was
lying idle, and it cost no more to send her out with Sir
Robert Wilton to Gibraltar, and bringing Sir Alexander
home, than to pay to those two officers their passage-
money. On the contrary, it cost less for the payments
actually made to them, which amounted to 911. 10s.
each ; so that on the point of economy the cost had been
less than that if the one had gone out and the other
had come back in the ordinary packet. But he would
ask the House whether there was not a certain amount
of consideration attached to a representative of her Ma-
jesty in going out thus to his government.—(Hear.)
He did not by any means say that expense was to be no
consideration, but if a ship was thus in commission and
was lying idle, lie did consider it had been, under the
circumstances, advantageously employed in conferring
power and consideration upon an officer going to take
the command of so important a Governorship and for•
tress as that of Gibraltar.—(Hear.)
Sir C. NAPIER did not like that sort of reasoning
at all. It was not the mere expense of going from Spit-
head to Gibraltar and back, but it was the expense of
putting a ship in commission, and getting her crew, and
making her fit for sea and for duty, that was to be looked
at. Ships were not fitted out but at an enormous cost
to the country ; they were not fitted out for passage
boats, but for far different work. He recollected well
being captain of a ship for two years, and all he had to
do during that period was to take out a Governor anti a
Commissioner to the West Indies.—(Laughter.) He
called it great waste.—(Hear,hear.) He repeated, and
he was sure the country and the service would agree
with him, that British ships of war ought not to be made
into passage-boats.
Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE, in reference to the Hon.
Gentleman's (Mr. Hume 's) other question, begged to say
that the expenses now charged for Mr. M'Gregur were
incurred in the year 1842 and in the early part of 1843.
With regard to the general question as to the Stade
duties, he was happy to say an arrangement was likely
to be come to very speedily, but the nature of that ar-
rangement it would be improper in him to communicate.
Mr. HUME said, he observed in these estimates that
the public were charged with fees for the conferring
honours upon individuals. If there were such fools to
be found as to seek these things, he really thought they
ought themselves to pay for them.—(Laughter, and
Hear, hear.) He thought a Committee upon this and
▪ some other items would do a deal of good, and he did
5 not know but what he should move for one. Again, in
▪ • p. 11, he found au item, 101/, for a surgeon for the Sealy

Isles, aria 41/. for medicine for the Scilly Isles. He • economy had not been observed, as this large sum had
wished to know who were the proprietors of these increased year after year.
Scilly Isles ?—(Laughter.) : Lord LINCOLN said, it was not until lately that his
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I do attention had been drawn to the subject of the parks.
st exactly know who the proprietors are.—( Laughter.) Ile was surprised that the Hon. Gentleman could have
iII.T3IE----Tie'n what business have you pay-ing fon:al fault with the expenditure upon the royal parks,
docters and mediein.,, for them,—(faehe r.)• as t.ey were entirely appropriated to the public accoli-
The CHANCELLOR of the EX,2ItEQUER said the mo !ation. So far from tie expense of the Parks being
laez, was, a communication had been made to the Go- oo the increase, there was at present a decrease. It %N es
vernment representing that the people in these isles were 1 true, that in some of the metropolitan narks, the ex-
sorely afflicted with disease, and were in the most de- penses had been increased owing to the greater number
plorable state for medical help, which they had no means of persons who latterly visited them. Hampton Court
of procuring, and it was thought a duty not to refuse as- had besn occupied by some Members of the wisto-
sistance so dreadfully needed, and the cost of which was cracy, but still he thought that it would be wrong
so smalli—(Hear.) if the Crown had not the power of appropriating
Mr. HUME said he perceived there was a sum of apartments to those persons, and the connections of
2,3001. set down as the salary and expenses of the Mar- those persons, who had rendered eminent services to the
shal of the Queen's Bench Prison for three-quarters of a country, and who might be destitute of house and home.
year. The former Marshal of the prison, he understood, But at the same time it should be remembered that in
had 6,000/. a. year. He had complained of it again and this building there Was a large suite of roo.ns, which were
again, and he bad been assured that the salary would in solely appropriated to the public.
future be more moderate. He wished to know what the Sir CHARLES NAPIER said a large sum of money
salary of the present Marshal was ? would be likely to be expended upon removing the
Mr. M. SUTTON said that the salary of the Marshal buildings in St. James's Park on the side of St. James's-
of the Queen's Prison was 7001. a year. street. -
Mr. HUME said he should move for a detailed ac- Dr. BOWRING complained of the item of 300 L being
count of the salary and allowances of this officer. He expended upon a Government building in the Isle of
also complained of the sum of 3201. charged for bring- Wight. He thought they ought to be allowed to manage
ing silver from the Bank of Ireland to the Bank of their own financial affairs, and then they would be wil-
England. ling to pay such expenses as those now sought to be in-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex- eluded in the estimates.
plained that the silver was brought over to accommodate In reply to a question from Mr. EWART,
the Bank of England, during the great demand for silver. Lord LINCOLN said that the proposed improvements
Mr. HUME thought the item ought to have been in thelocality between the Regent's-park and Primrose-
carried to the general account of the expenses of calling hilt had been retarded inconsequence of the negotiations
in the coinage. , pending with Eton College.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER again Mr. HUME objected to this mode of passing all the
explained that there was at the time a great accumula- estimates for public parks and mansions in one vote.
tion of silver in the Bank of Ireland, which was lying He did not wish at this late hour to oppose the vote, but
there useless, while there was a great demand for it in be thought the Government ought to allow the House
England, wed therefore it was brought over here, but to have the separate expenses of each establishment for
that the expense could not be charged to the Bank of the previous year laid before it.
England, After a few words from Captain PECHELL, the vote
Mr. HUME said he had warned the Right Hon. was agreed to.
Gentleman of the inconvenience that would arise when Mr. BROTHERTON then moved that the Chairman
the coinage was first called in. The gold was called in report progress.
witheut any provision being made by the Mint or Sir G. CLERK said that the next vote was only for
the "Bank for the great demand that would arise the expenses of the temporary Houses of Parliament.
for silver, in consequence of sovereigns being Mr. BROTHERTON gave way.
made receivable only at a certain weight. Great incon- Sir G. CLERK then moved for a grant of 5,400 Z
venience was felt in consequence; some bankers had bad for the expenses of the temporary Houses.
to give one per cent. for silver to furnish their custo- The vote was agreed to.
mers'svith, and in some cases silver was not to be pro- The next vote was 60,0001. for the Houses of Parlia-
cured at all. There was great culpability somewhere ; ment. In answer to a question upon this vote,
the large establishment of the Mint was at such a junc- The Earl of LINCOLN said the new House of Lords.
ture 'perfectly useless, no additional coinage of silver could be fitted up temporarily for the next session if ab-
having been made; it went on in its old jog-trot man- solutely required, but he thought it would be in such a
nor. This was riot the way in which a great public de- state as to cause great prejudice to health, and therefore
partfnent ought to be conducted. It had the power of he hoped their Lordships would see fit to alter their
working four times as much as it did, yet no increase wishes. Both the Houses could be made comfortable by
was made, notwithstanding the great pressure the session following—that of 1846. .
for silver felt by the public. This charge of 3201. ought The vote was then agreed to.
to be paid either by the Master of the Mint or by the The next and last vote was 7,0001. for Trafalgar-
Right Hon. Gentleman, he did not know which—(Hear, square, which being agreed to the Chairman reported
hear)—it was a charge the public revenue ought not to progress and asked leave to sit again.
be subjected to. But though he made these observations, COUNTY COURTS (LANCASTER.)
he begged to say that the present estimates were the The House having resumed,
best he had ever seen submitted to the House of Corn- Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET obtained leave to
mona.—(Hear, hear.) But still they might have been bring in two Bills ; one to amend the jurisdiction of the
better.—(Hear. hear.) County Court of the County Palatine of Lancaster; and
Captain PECHELL thought that the Committee had the other to alter and amend the jurisdiction of the
not had a sufficient explanation of the charge made of Chancery Court of the same Court.
sending out one of the largest class of ships to Gibraltar ATMOSPHERIC RAILWAYS.
with the Governor, Sir Robert Wilson. He objected to Mr. SHAW moved for a Select Committee to inquire
the employment of large ships of war for such a purpose. into the merits and importance of atmospheric railways.
It had been. made to appear that it was the cheapest —(Much amusement was caused by the President of
mode, but this could not be ascertained unless they had the Board of Trade, in whose department the appli-
a return of the cost of the wear and tear of one of these cation came, being in a sound sleep, on the cross
large ships. during a passage of fourteen days in the bench behind the Speaker's chair. Having been aroused
winter season. • by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Hon. Gentle-
Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH objected to several roan proceeded to his place, amid the laughter of the
items of expenditure, such as 5501. for abstracts of the Hon. Members present.) Mr. Shaw then proceeded to
account's sof turnpike trusts; and .459/- lIs: 2d. to, the state that at that hour of the night he would not go into
Pock:laW• Commissioners for, preparing certain returns, the question ; lie would merely say that he would follow
ordered' hY the Government., . arixeourse-tire Right Hon. Gentleman -might suggest as
Mr:COLLETT said he perceived there was a sum of the most desirable.
2,945/. for the cartoons which were exhibited in West- Mr. GLADSTONE said he should suggest, as most
rninster Hall. He wished to know whether this was advisable, .that the Honourable and Learned Gentle-
the amount, after deducting the money which was re- man should postpone his motion till after Easter.
ceived frotn those who paid Is. each to see them before The Honourable Gentleman must be aware of the
the public was admitted ? difficulty that attended any proposition for a Select
Sir G. CLERK said the sum referred to by the Hon. Committee to inquire into the success of scientific expe-
Gentleman was the amount paid as premiums. The riments ; it might lead to many similar propositions.
sum received from the public went to defray the ex- There could be no doubt that, on the small scale on
penses of fitting up the Hall, and for the payment of which it had been tried, the experiment had succeeded ;
those who attended. There was a balance remaining the question was whether it would succeed if tried on a
of 20014- which would go to meet the expenses of the more extensive scale. He had another objection to, the
other works of art which were advertised to be seen in motion, which was this. The Hon. Gentleman asked
the ensuing month. for an inquiry into the importance of the experiments on
Sir C. NAPIER said he understood there was a con- this railway ;he (Mr. Gladstone) thought that they had
siderable disagreement between Sir H. Pottinger, their already got to that point, and he
_doubted if be would
Minister in China, and the naval and military officers get further by having the Select Committee he asked
employed there, the latter not liking to be placed under for. He did not propose to inquire into any particular
a civilian. He wished to know from the Noble Lord plan, but into the importance of the atmospheric prin-
the Secretary fur the Colonies whether there was any ciple, which he believed was generally admitted. _ Who
truth in this report ? He wished also to know Why it were the persons most interested, in this plan ? The
was that a frigate should be employed to convey Sir R. proprietors of railways—the possessors of vast masses of
Wilson to such a petty place as Gibraltar, while Sir C capital, and who had the best means of investigating the
Metcalf was sent to Canada in the Columbia ? The plan for themselves. The House could better ascertain
Noble Lord talked of the dignity of sending a Governor the merit of the system if these parties were before it,
in a mareaif. war, but he did not see what dignity there which at present was not the case.
could-be in sending out a frigate to Gibraltar. Lord 11. VANE said that as this was a matter of na-
Lord STANLEY said he had no hesitation in telling tional importance, it Was right that the session should
the Hon. and Gallant Officer that general instructions not be allowed to elapse till the House had made a
had been sent ont to the naval and military officers, in practical inquiry into the principle. He therefore hoped
consequence of the anomalous position of their affairs in that the House would consent to the motion of theßight
China, at the tiine, that they should render Sir H. Pot- Hon. Gentleman.
tinker every service in carrying on his operations. He Mr. SHAW said that at this moment when there
believed there was some difference ofopinion with regard to were many important railways in contemplation, he was
the nature of the services they were to perform, but there most anxious to have the principle of atmospheric rail-
was not the slighest difference of opinion during the whole ways tried in this country. If the question was not
course of their military operations. Whatever con- decided this session it would be too late, but as the
struction might be put on the instructions, he did not Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think it would be
believe that there was any difference with regard to the better to withdraw the motion till after Easter, he had
cordial discharge of their duties by the officers. With no objection to do so.
regard to the second question, he thought that it would The motion was then withdrawn.
create more respect for him if they sent out the Go- CHARITABLE PAWN SOCIETIES.
vernal- of Gibraltar in a frigate, particularly as there On the motion of Mr. COWPER, leave was given to
was one to spare. Sir C. Metcalf went to Canada in the bring in a Bill for the establishment of Charitable Pawn
COhimbra., because it 'was more convenient for him than Societies.
if he went in a frigate; which could not, at the period he
went out, take him to the seat
,of GovernMent.
Str.C. NAPIER expressed hithself satisfied with the
answer of the Noble Lord to tly., first qUestion, but he
could tell tin' noble Lord" that a most deserving officer,
Lord John Hay, gave up his ship in disgust at, being
constantly employed iii this service.
14fr..M. J. O'CONNELL objected to the payment of
Sc/. to Mr. Brownrigg, the inspector of constabulary, fel-
makinglin analysis of the Arms Act, which was of no
use; and very ba-My drawn up.
Lord
.ELIOT said in reference to what hadbeen said
by the lion: Member fin. Rescoinmon, that he did not
think the items to which he referred could bed objected
to. With respect to Mr. Brownrigg, he was supposed
to be a person very competent to make an abstract of
the, Act referred to by the Hon. Gentleman, and the
801. was for the expenses of preparing a number of copies
for the different constabulary stations.
Mr. M. O'FERRALL, in allusion to the item of
591. 17s:; for the expenses of a CoMmission of Inquiry
ini6 certain alleged malversations on the part of certain
officers of Kilniainham gaol,. in connection with the ex-
pense of convicts, complained, that although Major
Palnier""(who had been, according to the report of the
Ct.rnmissioners, guilty of gross negligence), had been
disrniSsed by the Treasury from- the office he held in
connection with the convict establishment. in liilmain-
ham-gaii) ; yet he had been continued by the Irish Go-
vernment in the office of Inspector-General of the
Prisons of Ireland.
Sir G. CLERIC admitted that, although the report
acqUitted Major Palmer of all knowledge of a participa-
tion In the thalversations alluded, to, yet it stated that
he guilty of gross negligence, and, therefore,
he had been removed from his office ; but no complaint
had bee.n•inideligaiiist him in his office of Inspector-
General of rrisons. He' bad satisfactorily performed
the duties of that office for twenty-three years. He had
introduced many and great improvements into the ma-
nagement "ef the prison, and, therefore, it had been
deemed advisable to continue him in his office. _
M: O'FERILALL'S complaint was ageing, the
Noble Lard 'for continuing in office a man whom the
TreeSury had dismissed for gross neglect.
Mr. F. T. BARING did' not cOnsider'the explanation
of the Right Hob Baronet-to be at all satisfactory.
Lord IsLIGT said that Major Palmer was an old and
distinguished officer. Ile had held his office for twenty-
three years, and no complaint had ever been 'made
against him. lle would be entitled to no retiring
allowance, and the Government thought that the loss
of the office, the duties of which he had neglected, was
sufficient punishment for that
him destitute by depriving himneglect, without making
of that office the duties
of which he had satisfactorily discharged,
Mr. ,EWART asked if it was the intention of the
Government to bring in a Bill for the'
regulation of
charities during the' present session, and if it was likely
n
that any digest of the criminal law, founded o the
report of- Mr. Justice .Wightman, Mr. Sergeant Stark"'
Ancl: other eminent lawyers, was likely to be brought
forwaid.
Siesß. PEEL said that with regard to the first point
his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the
Home Department had been in communication with the
Lord Chancellor on the subject of introthicing a Bill.
Mr. lI,UME -complained of the fees to Attorneys and
Solieitor-Generals. He understood that some of these
offiCers had received the enormous sum of 18,000/.
a-year.. Now . 5,000/ a-year would buy the best At-
torney-General that ever stood in Westminster-hall.
Mr. BARING had been always very hostile to fees,
but a Commission appinted by that House had recom-
mended. the system of fees to these officers. He thought
a substitution of salaries for these fees would be very
advantageous to the public. -
Sir R. PEEL expressed himself to a similar effect.
Colonel SIBTHOR. P wished to know what salary
was paid to Mr. Bulwer as aMbassador to Madrid. He
(Colonel Sibthorp).Was surprised that the Government
should have selected a person opposed to them in
politics. for this important situation.
Sic PEEL said he must decline answering the
question. Mr:l3ulwer was a highly talented gentleman,
anti every way calculated fur the situation in which he
had been placed.. He (Sir R. Peel) did not think it Was
the duty of the Government to look to party in Making.
suchlappointments as these, but rather to the capabili-
ties. of_ the person to be appointed. It was upon these
considerations that Mr. Bulwer had been appointed, and
he was sore ;hat no-one could object to the appointment
en the ground of incapacity in the person appointed.
The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 112,190/7was then proposed to defray the
the expenses of public buildings, &c.
Mr._ W. WILLIAMS objected to- the vote. He found
that the.average sum voted for this purpose for the last
five years, was 120,000/. The whole sum votettfOr the
Whole Ave years, was 686,0001. for the expeuses of
public parks,. palaces, &e. He thought the Right Hon.
BitroplPPS*e
vwould figCeC. ;.with hen tlitlt proper

IRISH TEMPORALITIES.
Mr. F. FRENCH moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to amend the laws relating to Temporalities of the
Church in Ireland. He would not ask for more than
leave to have the Bill printed. If the Government had
any objection to it, he would not proceed further with it.

Lord ELIOT saki he would .not give any opinion
on the subjc-ct, but he would not oppose the introduction
of the measure.

Mr. SHAW said he did not think that there was any
chance of the Bill passing. It was opposed by the
heads of the Church in Ireland, and he regretted that
the Government gave leave "to have it introduced.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
COMMITTEE ON ELECTIONS.
Sir It. PEEL moved—That Sir Thomas Fremantle
be discharged from further attendance on the Contro-
verted Elections Committee ; that Lord Ashley be added
to the said Committee. The Noble Lord was chairman
of the chairman's panel, and had been included in his
original draught of the Committee. The name of his
Noble Friend had only been omitted through inadver-
tence, and he considered it very important that the Com-
mittee should have the advantage of his Noble Friend's
services.

Mr. HAVES admitted the necessity of having the
Noble Lord on the Committee but' considered that the
Committee ought not to be deprived of the services of
Sir Thomas Fremantle. He would suggest to the Right
Hon. Baronet the propriety of moving that Lord Ashley
should be added to the Committee.

The SPEAKER said that the motion could not be
made without notice.

Sir H. PEEL trusted the House would recollect that
it was on the suggestion of the Hon. Gentleman that he
acted. although at the same time he admitted that it was
the course most consonant to his own feelings. Be
would therefore withdraw his motion, and give notice
that he should this day (Tuesday) move that the name
of Lord Ashley be added to the Committee.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at One o'Clock.

_The Earl and Countess of War Wick, Lord Brooke
and Lady Caroline Neeld, left Warwick Castle, in the early
part of last week, for Bath.
. Mr. Lever's new work, " Arthur O'Leary," illus-
trated by Cruikshank, is just published, in three volumes.
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HORRID CASE OF CHILD-MURDE
an inquest was held at the Malris of
-
grave-road, Pimlico, before Mr.
of a fine-new-born male infant, wbilgetis' Rl.%—resotmllinSstaetete
g on view of the body
was discovered
murdered in'some waste ground in thel above neighbourhood.
unfortunate little
Mr. Cubitt, the
Thomas Thornsett, a man in the em
builder, proved finding the body of the of
brutally
shawl, he
up
innocent, about ten o'clock on Tuesday.
in a piece of calico and a part of an old
and face were dreadfully disfigured by violence. Ti head
where the body was found is about four yards within 7181 r
wall in the Belgrave-road. Mr. David Wilson, surgeon, of
Eccleston-square, Pimlico, deposed that he had examined
the body of the child ; it was full grown. There was a violent
blow on the forehead between the eyes, and other bruises
about the head and face. The umbilical cord was not tied,
proving that the mother was not professionally attended at
the birth. Witness has no doubt the infant was born alive,
and had been destroyed by violence. The jury returned a
verdict of " Wilful Murder against some person or persons
unknown," and recommended that a reward should be offered
by the parish for the discovery of the inhuman murderer.
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