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He would ask Chem what could be the use—there might, in-
deed, be a party use ; but that he would not impute to the
Noble Marquis—what use could there be in adding, under any
pi etext, agitation to agitation, and embarrassment to embarass-
ment ?—(Loud cheers.) The wording of his Noble Friend's
motion was much more inoffensive than he could have ex-
pected : nay, he would go further, he believed that it was
much more Inoffensive than the Noble Marquis intended it to
be three or four days ago.—(Cheers and laughter. )
The Marquis of NORMA Nf3Y—No no.

Lord HOWDE Nl—He assured the Noble Marquis he was
merely expressing his opinion. He believed that the motion of
the Noble Marquis was generated and carried out even to a
very protrac' ed period of his gestation—(Laughter)—under the
idea that the late proceedings in Ireland would have had a
consummation very different to what they had.—( Hear,
hear, and great cheering.) But now that the law in Ireland
had vindicated herself, by her own right hand, he did hope
with his IST, ble Friend, and with the utmost sincerity, that all
just complaints would be attended to and removed from that
cou:.try, and that its happiness might be promoted by every
means. But he believed:that a necessary condition of the hap-
piness of the people of that country was the insurance of its
tranquillity. He had no hesitation in following what hart
been said by the Noble Earl who moved the address in reply to
her Majesty's speech, though he then highly disapproved of
any allusion to such a topic as impolitic, but he had now no
hesitation in saying that, that if by any chance, at any future
time, any measure were wanted for securing the
welfare of Ireland, by giving strength to the Crown
and peace to the subject, that call would be responded to.
It appeared to him that the people might be divided into two
classes, the deluders and the deluded. Among the latter
there were many persons full of the purest love of country,
and to whom alone was wanting the instinct of self-preserva-
tion which nature seemed to have given to every other crea-
ture. For it was his opinion, that though the union was de-
sirable, it was but a secondary question to England, whereas
it was, in his opinion, a question of vital importance to Ireland,
for he was sure that if they cut the tie which bound them to
England—if England should leave them to themselves, not
fifty years would roll over before " that flower of the earth,"
would be plucked by some not friendly hand ; and that
" gem of the ocean," would be set in the crown of a stranger.
—( Hear, bear.) He asked their pardon for trespassing
upon their time, but there was something so unfortunate in the
time chosen by his Noble Friend for his motion, that it forced
him (Lord Howden) to express his opinion in condemnation
of it.

After a few words from the Marquis of NORMANDY and the
Marquis of WESTMEATH,
Lord BEA UNIONT said that when his Noble Friend (Lord
Wharneliffe) sat down, he felt great pleasure and satisfaction
at his speech. He felt pleasure at the proof his Noble Friend
had given of the intention now entertained (for now was the
time) of prop .sing a remedial measure for Ireland ; and this
pleasure• was increased by the refleetion that the Noble Lord
had satisfactorily exploined a circumstance which had been
often alluded to. By that explanation the conduct which he
(Lord Beaumont) had thought proper to pursue was justified.
The explanation he alluded to referred to the jury panel in
Ireland. That explanation rendered him (Lord Brougham)
satisfied with the conduct he pursued towards his co-religionists,
in persuading them not to attend the meeting which had been
called on that subject. He regretted, however, that he must
say that feeling of satisfaction was shaken by what had fallen
from the Noble Earl ( Roden) opposite. The Noble Earl
justified the Attorney-General for challenging the men on
the jury-list, nut because they were repealers, but because they
were Roman Catholics.

The Earl of RODEN said that what he bad stated was that
the Roman Catholics were taught to consider the repeal ques-
tion as a religious question—that if they got the repeal the
Protestant religion would be destroyed and the Catholic re-
ligion established in its stead, and that that being the general
opinion of the people, the Attorney-General was bound to
take care not to have put into the jury box to try the question
any person wbo had imbibed such a prejudice.
Lord BEAUMONT—Does the Noble Earl mean to say
that if the jury bad consisted of Roman Catholics, there would
be no difference in the verdict?

The Earl of RODEN would not say that.
Lord BEAUMONT justified the Attorney-General in ob-
jecting to every person tainted with repeal. He would go fur-
ther. He was not quite certain that a person being a Roman
Catholic, might not be considered as a repealer, because some
of the repealers had boasted that the majority of the Roman
Catholics were with them. But that objection was made to
the persons on the list previous to their being sworn. He did
not believe that the Attorney-General would imply that they
were sworn they would not act contrary. The Noble Earl
would not go so far, and that was his (Lord Beaumont's)
ground of complaint. With regard to the question itself, he
disagreed with his Noble Friend (Lord Hourden), for he
thought this was the fittest time for the present motion,
when the dignity of the law had beer. vindicated. With
regard to the proposition of payment of the Catholic
clergy, he could not say he approved of Hear. )
He should briefly advert to the subject of the Commission lately
appointed to inquire into the tenure of land in Ireland. Upon
that matter it was possible that a spirit ought to be awakened
which would extend to England. The seine thing might be re-
quired atj the hands of the Anti-Corn-law League.—( Hear,
and laughter.) He fully agreed in the principle of his Noble
Friend's motion, and he thought a more fitting opportunity
could not have been selected than the present one to decide
upon the; merits of a measure to ameliorate the condition of
that country.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
Lord CAMPBELL rose amidst much noise and confusion,
and said, that it thought it would be much more convenient to
their Lordships if this debate were to be adjourned.
Lord BROUGHAM said he should most cheerfully assent
to the vropo:ition of his Noble Friend, Still he though:
that as it was now twenty minutes before twelve o'clock, and
as their Lordships were not a very over-worked body—
( Laughter)—he thought that they might afford to devote to
the consideration of such an important subject as this their
time until at least one, ar perhaps two o'clock ; perhaps they
would do so if they did not imagine that some Noble Lords, who
might imagine they could enlighten the House upon the sub-
ject, were abs"nt. _ _

kventnally, upon the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, after a
few words from the Marquis of NORMANBY in explanation,
and from the Duke of WELLINGTON, concurring in the pro-
priety of adjonruing the debate, the House stood adjourned to
next Thursday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 13.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock.
The Report of the Poor-law Commissioners was presented,
and ordered to be laid upon the table.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS presented a petition from certain
county-rate payers, residing on the line of road between Fish-
guard and Haverfordwest, eomplaining of the misapplication
of trust funds, and praying for inquiry.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Society of
Friends, expressing their disapprobation of the practice of
voting the thanks of the House to the Army for military ser-
vices, and beseeching the House to withhold its sanction from
all acts of rapine and bloodshed.
Mr. FERE( AND presented a petition from the frame-work
knitters of Nottingham, Derby, and Leicester, praying the
House to appoint a Select Committee to inquire into their
grievances.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from a place in Scotland,
praying that the grievances of the people might be investigated
and inquired into before voting the supplies.