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FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 26, 1850.

having made a statement to the House injurious to the
honour and character of a British officer, and which he
supported by forged documents. [Mr. Baillie then pro-
ceeded to read the letter of Captain Watson, stating that
the signatures to the proclamations to which he
(Mr. Blithe) referred were forgeries.]—(Rear, hear.)
He would nut have the Noble Lord suppose that there
could be the slightest blame attached to his course of
c.mduct on that occasion. lie thought that he was per-
fectly right, and he could not have adopted any other
course, and the more so when that letter was written after
great consideration, and under the advice of Sir Emerson
ferment, who ought to have been perfectly aware of
the existence of those documents, since he was residing
within sixteen miles of Captain Watson at the time, and
remained there during the whole year in which those
documents %ere published. The answer that he
(Mr. Baillie) had made on that occasion was, that
ho had received the documents as Chairman of
the Ceylon Committee from gentlemen on whom
he placed the greatest reliance, and that the name
of Captain Watson was attached to those docu•
merit', and that he believed them to be genuine.
Upon a subsequent occasion he stated that, having re-
ceived further information, ho was prepared to prove
the signature of Captain Watson by witnesses. The
i;emtnittee decided that it was impossible to doubt the
word and honour of a British officer, and the course
wi.ich was subsequently adopte I, under the advice of
the lat.) Sir Robert Peel, was to address her
Majesty to send out a Royal Commi-sion to Ceylon
to ascertain the truth or falsehood of those
statements. ;That Commission went to Ceylon,
and had now made its report, which stated that the sig-
nature of Captain Watson had been proved to be genu-
ine, upon the evidence of the parties who actually wrote
the proclamations and saw him sign them; and that
large numbers were distributed up and down, and that
considerable property had been confiscated under those
proclamations. Under those circumstances he hoped the
Noble Lord would relieve him from the implied cen-
sure, and would admit that it was himself and not he
(Mr. Baillie) who had been made the instrument of
stating what was not true in that House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said with respect to the first
part of the Hon. Member's speech, he could only say
that he had made that statement upon the authority of
the letter which he had received from Captain Watson,
and which he still thought it would have been better if
the lion. Member had allowed to rest quiet until
further inquiry had been made. He must however
admit that the lion. Gentleman had sufficient ground
upon which to bring forward that charge. The present
state of the case was this, that the Commission had made
a report, which they stated was only a report
drawn up at the moment, and that they would at the
earliest opportunity send a full report, together
with all the documents and evidence taken in the
matter. Captain Watson had been made aware of this
report, and still continued his assertion that he never
signed such proclamation, and that any such signature
must be a forgery. He thought that in such a state of
the case, where they had such conflicting statements, and
when they considered that this was a charge affecting
Captain Watson's honour and truth, it would scarcely
be fair to proceed further in the matter till they bad
all the dOcuments and evidenee before them. He should,
therefore, decline to lay the report of the Commission on
the table for the present.
Mr. HUME said, as the Noble Lord complained of
his Honourable Friend having produced the do-
cuments which he did, it was quite neces-
sary for proving the case which he had asserted.
lie did not want to say one word more on the subject
of the evidence on the proceedings of the committee.
That would come out when the report agreed to yester-
day was printed and in the hands of Hon. Members.
He was sorry the Noble Lord had declined to lay the
report in question upon the table, for it threw consider-
elute light on the matter in dispute.
Mr. DISRAELI said he had no wish to question the
propriety of that course recommended by the Noble
Lord (Lord J. Russell), at the same time he (Mr.
Disraeli) felt it his duty to express his opinion that the
lion. Member for Inverness was fully justified in taking
this step, for the second report referred to by the Noble
Lord would not probably arrive before Parliament rose,
and his Hon. Friend would not have had an opportunity
of vindicating himself before the House.—(Hear, hear.)
STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH THE AUS-

the fault would not be his, but that of those with whom
he had to daal in the transaction.
Sir J. NOGG concurred with his Noble Friend
the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the ad-
vantages of steam communicadon with the Aus-
tralian colonies ; hut he complained that the Right
Hon iurable Gentleman, instead of confining himself
to the tenders that had been cent in to that effect, to the
proposals that had been made on the subject, to the
routes that had been laid down, and to the other matters
in question, had, as regarded the East India Company,
taken a course at once uncalled for, and he would add,
unfair—(Hear, and Oh.) When the correspondence
that had taken place between the Government and the
East India Company on the subject had been moved for
on a former night, the Right lion. Gentlemen had re-
fused the motion on the ground that this correspondence
was confidential in its character. But the whole of the
Right Hon. Gentleman's speech on the present occasion
was nothing but an ex part -t statement of the contents
of that correspondence. which he (Sir J. Hogg) should
move for himself the first opportunity, and then leave the
House to judge between the Government and the East
India Company in the matter. When the Right Hon.
Gentles's/es made allusion to the proposition for having a
line from Singapore to Bombay, he suppressed a most
important fact. When steam ceminunicstion to India by
way of the Red Sea was first thought of, the first Ties-
tiou was with whom the carrying out of the communication
between Bombay and Singapore should rest? Political
considerations of great importance were mixed up with the
question. It was submitted to the Cabinet of the day,
and they determined, on account of the important con-
siderations involved in the question, that the communi-
cation between Singapore .and Bombay should re:A in
the hands of the East India Company, and be performed
by the East India Company's navy. Upon that distinct
understanding, that this should be the condition prece-
dent, before the East India Company entertained the
proposition, a steam navy was established for this ser-
vice, the East India Company contributing largely to-
wards the expense. Now, he asked was it fair when
granting this service to the East India Company as a
condition precedent, that as soon as the communication
was established that this company, assisted by Govern-
ment, should try by indirect means to get rid of this
condition with the East India Company? When the
communication was first established, there were two
what the Right Hon. Gentleman called heavy mails.
One was abandoned, and why? Not for the sake of the
public, but because it was found to be a useless expense.
The Peninsular and Oriental Company stated their case
to Government, and the Right Hon. Gentleman assented
to their petition, and the line was abandoned. He was
glad to find that the communication with India had so
much increased of late years as to render the resump-
tion of a double communication necessary. Ihe
Peninsular and Oriental Navigation Company wished
to have the communication; and he was glad
of it, and he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would
give it them. He was glad this company were in a
flourishing condition, for he considered that the public
service was never better performed than when in the
hands of such companies; but, then, let not the Right
Hon. Baronet import into the question the cry of the
public service, when the main object was to get the two
communications to India into the hands of one company.
He would call attention to the time when the contract
was first formed with the Peninsular and Oriental Com-
pany. At that time steam expenses were less under-
stood than now, nor was the passenger traffic under-
stood. It was supposed that traffic would always con-
tinue to go round by the Cape of Good Hope, and that
the Peninsular and Oriental Company would have little
benefit besides the mails—a few parcels and an occa-
sional passenger.. The contract was entered into on
that understanding. The result, however, had been the
reverse of that expected, and he was glad of it. All
passengers now came by the company's fine steamers,
and few by the Cape of Good Hope. He rejoiced that
the Peninsular and Oriental Company bad got a bene-
ficial contract; the company was composed of enter-
prising men; they encountered a difficulty when the
means of overcoming it were not well understood. They
had reaped a fair reward, and had got a large profit
from their contract. But- as the company had
enjoyed a good contract for so long a period, neither he,
the House, nor the country, would be willing to subscribe
to the proposition for extending the contract unaltered
for ten years longer. In two years the contract would
expire. The East India Company suggested that it
should be renewed—but only after the terms were fairly
discussed. Government ought to say they were willing
to give the company the preference in this now contract;
but then they ought also to say, " As you have al-
re :cly had one good bargain, enter now fairly into the
matter—make a fresh bargain and you shall have a fresh
contract. But if you will not do this, then we will make
it public, and throw the contract open to competition."
The Right Hon. Gentleman had told the House that the
company were willing to do the additional service for
5,0001. a year if they got a renewal of their contract.
Why if the company did the service for nothing, on that
condition, they would have an admirable bargain. Tha
meaning of offering this was that the company might
continue to charge the same rates to Singapore. If the
Right Hon. Gentleman renewed the same rates to Sin-
gapore, the company could afford to go to the other parts
for next to nothing. It was the renewal of the contract
to Singapore, at the present rates that the East India
Company resisted, and would resist, and he trusted the
House would support him in resisting anything
of an indirect character. The East India Company said
they would go heart and hand with the other company
to effect a common object, ,but would resist a private
object. The rates to Singapore was the gravamen of
the case, and the great object in getting the contract to
Singapore renewed for ten years was to be able to con-
tinue to charge these rates, The Right Honourable
Gentleman talked of giving the public the benefit of
competition for the service to be performed for the short
distance beyond Singapore. But he could not under-
stand what that meant, nor could the Right Honourable
Gentleman have any clear idea of what he was stating.
If the Peninsular and Oriental Company got four- fifths
or, rather, five-sixths of the whole way without competi-
tion, what was the use of saying that, for the remaining
one-sixth, competition-:should be established ? The
proposition was ridiculous. The East India Company
were ready to accede to anything reasonable or fair.
But this would not do for the Right Honourable
Baronet ; he would only be content with having the
contract renewed for ten years. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman said Government were joint parties with the
East India Company, and could not act without them.
The Right Honourable Gentleman had never told the
chairman of the East India Company that he was in
communication with parties on the question until he had
adopted the particular route. Then it was he came to
the chairman, and said that is the route I have decided
upon, will you support me in it? Tho Right Hon. Gen-
tleman ought to have come to them, and said " We wish
to have a certain route to China, India, and Australia,
which is the best route?" But ho did no such thing.
He had forgotten to mention that when the Peninsular
and Oriental Navigation Company abandoned one line to
Singapore, that the East India Company built four or
five additional steamers at their own expense for this
service. The Right Hon. Gentleman told them they
need be at no expense—all they had to do was to give
up their steamers—dismiss and pay off their establish-
ment. Why no private gentleman would talk of dis-
charging his grooms and servants in that way. The
East India Company could not do as advised—they
could not discharge their servants without expense—
they must pension them off; and if the proposal were
adopted, so far from effecting a saving, as stated by the
Right Hon. Gentleman, it would actually be an addi-
tional expense to the company of at least 85,0001. a year.
He again complained of this discussion having been
raised without the correspondence having been first
laid on the table. The Right Hon. Gentleman ap-
peared to have a curious idea of what was confidential,
for he described the correspondence as confidential,
and then gave a pretty full intimation of its pur-
port. Now what was the communication that was
to be established by the Peninsular and Oriental Navi-
gation Company? It was only postal. He wanted to
know whether such a communication would satisfy those
patties on whose behalf petitions had been presented?
There had been deputations from Liverpool and other
great towns, stating that they were decidedly opposed
to the scheme. They did not want postal communication
only; but they wanted a merchandise and passage com-
munication round by the Cape of Good Hope. No per-
son of small means could go by the present route. He
did not say the charge was too high fur the route, but
he said the charge was so high by that particular route
no one could go by it to Australia. No merchandise
was carried that way, and only a few parcels. If the
route was continued to Australia that way it was pre-
posterous to suppose it could ever pay. What all disin-
terested parties wanted was to see the best line of com-
munication established between Australia and this coun-
try. If the East India Company viewed the question
in a selfish light, they would rather have the route by
Singapore; but they wished for the best, cheapest, and
most efficacious route between India and Australia,
and when such a route was proposed they would lend it
all its aid. He complained that the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman had held up the East India Company
to obloquy for frustrating his efforts to establish a
steam communication with Australia. 'Were there no
other means of communication than the one proposed?
Why did not the Right Hon. Gentleman state all of
them—why did he not lay all the particulars before the
House, and thus let the House judge which project was
best? The fact was, the Right Hon. Gentleman had
come forward with a pet project of his own, and was not
in good temper with the East India Company because
they would not fall in with his views. He admitted
that the Right Hon. Gentleman was competent to take
his view of the question, but then let the East India
Company, which in fact was all they asked, have a little
bit of voice in a matter which concerned them deeply,
and for which they had to pay. The East India Com-
pany had not seen a single tender; all they knew was
that the Right Hon. Gentleman had decided something,
and that he wished the East Company to adopt it. He
should move to have the correspondence laid on the
table, and when that was done he should call the atten-
tion of the House to the Right Honourable Gentleman's
argument, that everything was better done by a single
company than by many companies. Now, in the
public papers of that day he saw an Admiralty ad-
vertisement for a contract for a communication to
the Cape. Why not let the two services, as a communi-
cation with Australia by the Cape was also desired, be
done by one company, if one company can, as asserted,
do the work cheaper? He avowed that the East India
Company were ready and willing to cooperate with Go-
vernment in all fair means of establishing a communica-
tion with Australia; but they could not help looking at
tho unfair way in which the Right Hoe. Gentleman
sought to effect his own object. It was just the same as
if p irtiea wishing to make a lino from London to York
should say, if they got good terms for that project, they
would make a line to Richmond at a cheap rate. Ile
contended that the offer of the Peninsular Company had
no connexion with the Australian route—and because
the East India company resisted it they had been held

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up to public odium as resisting a project for the pti le
"va".tage• The East India Company never did oPn.°
CO) thing calculated to closure public bench`' but trel
werei not willies that that should be exacted sibieh budi.
La en previously conceded to them on wave political co i
siderations. explained
Tee CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —telt
that the Hon. Baronet nes not correct in stating
_.
no commune alien took place with the East India CJiu
patty es so as he had decide d on t he rute.
Sir J. HOGGon —Yes; when S'ou had made up your
mind as to the route, but not before. col.
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcHEQuER
ceite el that Government wire the proper parties to oAs
tide that point, and not the East India ComPsnY,:eorn.
soon as the route had been determined upon, b,' doe,
munica'ed to the Eest ',Abe Company what be 11" diS'
He did not expect that the subject would bare been
,0
cussed, otherwise he should have been prePs" ijek
into a full statement of the case. He was quite vv. •
to accede to the motion for the production of the
corre
spondecce. „et to
Mr. ANDERSON, from his position with respect
t
the Peninsular and Oriental Navigation COLOPSOY, must
trouble the House with a few remarks on the statemego
made by the Hoe. Baronet opposite (Sir J. Ileg.„stle
first begged to say he corroborated the statemen, -Ex.
by the Right Hon. Baronet the Chancellor of the
_est
chequer relative to the proposal laid before Gover,nnon
by the company for establishing steam COn- plume tiod
with Australia, for connectirg colonies with Indlaioess
the mother country by auxiliary lints of sleernOsblef cow
considered to be likely to tend to the advantage °a_ with
merce. This proposal had no connexion whatev ricutra•
the existing lines of communication with Ca este
The proposal was an e ntirely distinct and seP-ftilly
proposal. He could not hope to make the 11°11"itheut
comprehend the intricate details of the question,
be con.
a very large map to show what parts were to u would
netted, and why they were to be connected. Ileetome-
explain why it was advisable to establish steam eutrabo
ideation with Bombay, Singapore, and the ABe, test
colonies. Proposals had been put forward, for ll'uvoics.
three or four years, for establishing steam Com mesa to
tion with Australia. The communication was
by
be very expensive, owing to the conditions laid.d the
Government. The difficulties were financial•.sene the
question to be solved was, how the service could n,eersn.
tormed cheaper. He might here remark, teas be
perier cheapness of contracts by steam-vessels:with
from the companies carrying goods and passengieheimeelf
the mails. It was the duty of his colleagues Oen., could
in looking at the question to see how best tne.7„enger
combine the greatest amount of goods and 11,..; erre
traffic with the mails. To effect that object t"eiotlsi•
posed to establish auxiliary lines for postal 0/12 thee
cation with the Australian colonies and Chinabesuotse,
opening up new places for trade and Merc Dom'
They determined to extend the lines t° e there
bay, and there the company stopped , heeaug there
the communication was in the hands of the or.
India Company, whose vessels were vessels urtio. to
After consideration it was deemed advisable, in °.„ 6il3'
carry out the proposed plan, that the service fr7oper
gapore to Bombay should be performed at a bo the
rate, The Rightßaronet bad stated t
reweel
communications established by the East India Ceuta be
had a political object. Now he believed it 'llhshed
found that those communications bad been estagoase,
on the recommendation of a Committee of tba .eraan'
of which Committee Lord Glenelg was the "1- thea
The practicability of a route by the Red Sea was theft
left
considered very uncertain, and that it bad heittet, CO'
after a time to private enterprise. The East ''-u I orarljie
pany only established the communication tail/tome-
until such time as private enterprise collie' be that tbe
to come forward. He did not see, therefore,
_niaiat
Eastin this
India Company had any just grounds of eer.,',,eees
this matter. As far as regarded the elsargscoo;psnYo
poly brought against the Peninsular Stearn just sag
and their alleged excessive profits, be would ro OP,'
that when those questions were raised sorneellweeotiat'
the company readily exposed their books a' thereon'
to Government inspectors, who made a report
.0
eci.
showing that the allegations could not be the Op'
Sir J. HOGG denied that he had described
pany as monopolists. hose said
ANDERSON said the Hon. Baronet , Dot
nearly the same thing when he called on the -Dalt of tho
to extend a monopoly by acceding to the regtoop°,l,l,
petitioners. He begged to deny that WV, 're, pub":
existed. The old route was open as beforee.anusmeonY':
had the option of going by the East Indiac'''''lo foe"
splendid vessels zit Cape of Good Hope. '-'°,' „et fee.
the Peninsular Steam Company were throuP"of it°
posed to an active competition with a fine hnee t that
East India Company's steamers. In order to meet vett
competition, the Peninsular Steam CoroPal3,Y ua tbrdi°
obliged to reduce their fires twenty per eea"" daggerp fre"
would show that the public was in no great so 000
monopoly. The company had offered to gil'es,3h'ie'b it
miles of steam communication for the same stuu Red Abe
now cost Government to provide 75,000 reileece; effect inti,c"
company, by their proposition, sought to e'e" redia
I I
good to commerce by closely connectieg
and China, with the mother country.
Mr. AGLIONBY was not sure be CO:ll:l37lll:o°lirriatbblee
resolution in its present shape, though he vats fia.,,,,i,i,
to its principle. It would be better to aeoid o,oloo'
the question until the papers were laid on the t t O.
the House. If the Noble Lerd would leave °tufo the
word " immediate," he should feel disposed 10 g"
proposition his support. Wise
Mr. SIMEON regretted that the forms oi Wei:ral
wouldt... not permit him to lay on the table the toil°
renealons on the subject with which he bad been en of tbs
Australian colonists were strongly in facellernotbeer
cepunroultpnieotsrsyitinonlfhfoetrhewooaymuofnicati with India and v dill'.
Might
Hon. on,. _d OA a
Gentleman fouls 1
ee,e, ,e,
communication insuPer' s r
likely to delay the boon sought by the c°lt°llueire'hl
trusted he would turn his attention to Wine 43,- ihraus
of communication, either by the Cape or the 16' ,
Panama.—(Hear.) the lies'.
Mr. F. SCOTT regretted that the forms of t't seine'
prevented his laying on the table a petition n2°5..00 in;
rously signed, and containing the signatures °I 'erbsC
fluential parties in the city of London than Pt. fee°
were ever appended to any other petition. fel' week::
atogo he presided over a Committee, which sat Inaletace.
consider the best line of cOmmunication it pee;
Australia and Great Britain, and the re'll d fr s
memorial to the Government on the subject, and
h that
frequently
to the present most pressing rePre6et eaclls
and
trequentlysbeen made. Whilst he could ne`lee pin
sued, 'ast India Company for the course theY,"-egeroebt
neither did he think the Government Weer, off.he
the interests of this country to the extent tir's., '''-of
to
.h.ave done in permuting such a long deielViitie "if
spteetattmioners regretted that although there was "„t eferot
communication from this country to '0- had Ilea
other country, still that steam communicatilhe Illh'e
bnefenheiextended to the Australian colonies, by WO (,1
conwsiderheditthisewon
uses! I be
greatmost imperatively required. "toele ,
importance of the w ~sets e if
Australia, he could not but regret that the isII" ota,s6l)e
tween the Government and the East Inu'as,Cht h • 01)f
should prevent that speedy conamunication
,' ectot:er, 0
so desirable, and that speedy knowledge of I",ceece `e'lft
the market which was of the utmost ireiner';ietee'set
commercial point of view. He was not Pree)-tbotli7oe
favour of any particular route. Although "e 13,.. tbe ',;et
the Cape line had its advantages, be thong"' elln:.
suggested by the Government would afford thine rouinictie
number of advantages as a postal line of e:°-wes a'ot
tion, and it had this further advantage, that "„teetionee),
gether completed with the exception of that kli fil'st
the further end. The Hon. Baronet, (Sif h-v.tbe',!ea
linndai"uding to the large sums of money Pal' 'leas /f)
Company, took no notice of the vaster 611- 6
thejirreleivleldoG3—The Government rep
as
I'll
lb
postage. at
.a tild
Mr. SCOTT—But a considerable sum velli6Poo stivs'
them for the conveyance of the mail betweea side° ted
sßuommebda ehey eEcaostulldnndoiat hceolpmptabniryiki:gusthoenrceralertlerfloollo
theil
to make the House and the country ,n(1-11, eare ewe-
: a•re s e
into the renewal of their charter.—(Llear, "c too he
interests of the Australian colonies were 1),!: teseen,tte4
importance to be juggled away by dispute li,,,,tra- 01
Government and th '
e East India CompanP - erns..; thee
the Government would not allow the inter that„eleS
any delay in a matter of such importance, ht obis'
would take immediate steps to overcome t-e ea
which now existed. j Boil'hee
Mr. MACGREGOR, said a petition had
weer/ nedi
trusted to him which was signed by aini°st of a 4- 10,
communicationmer ei ai house
in
wiGthlasgthowe oAnustthrealisaunbjeet - • eliP he
cOlOOl of -
thought the directors of the East India - Go ti
corriPs ferri
nmoetatactaeddwisely in rejecting the offer of the 40e0tleop
trusted they would reconsider the
teed steep
navigation with
to do all in their power to e..x fibicii the
wisest
everyg
be
otureleappatrhentu3.
ot
take
kt
eh the
suchCfa Chancellor l or
measureso f the E x cahveuq uer, eer , :et lt,iileertiveggetdbbete:l:4° rilll3,
that communication into a ge
; 101°0e
Mr. HENLEY did not think the econensfeLtu Ojos
meat of the Chancellor of the Exchequer Per t° iteiegoe,
as were best clue
factory. The Right Hon. Gentleman seeo3o4;t, coPe°
that ho had made an advantageous bargain, u,"O -1-le!eei:
rison of the costs of carrying the mauve the cr,li?
Bombay. Now, the cost of that portion °'ldif oe-eeo'
anco was 245. or 25s a mile. It Was bil- s ell nie
fairly with the subject to. say thate 105,0001.rerf belted
nomical arrangement for the new service, 500.0 re:Octet
the other service cost so large a Burn. 'L. tbc eell
that the motion bad been brought forward. vie
ci bole
it would have been much better if them atle:ft reef-
eon/
loeffthin the hands of the Government, beeatl.,.,s-essorecther
making
kind must incapacitate them in souse "'might - 0
wise be able sli
ch
t ao
sects aisle
gdooo.l(airanrgoement as they 0b-
Mr. HUME trusted that the correspon might pfirei
deuce be e tie
laid before the House, in order that theY. teed c i
to judge correctly i f tl
against the East India Companylecore 1
possible he hoped it would be produced b" Iti
sees
meat separated grounds
had
elio ' dis
for the recess. P u 10
h Mr. DIVETT was glad to fiud that the Pest poi
((s3fottahplsaiLtnyopportunity of knowing why "Lb? 10 tbectote.j.
have an
hloe't ee be
ppolratcaendt itself
measure.e. s e
t habtli.
a setata Ing e lle bees
genc_a , ,
that the lion. ea, e great obstae'"
speech fully confirrnmnelitl th'uesretpnourt. eei
audn when tnare;dir
. a la
officialS,cirje. allpoaeGityGuetxtplliasintionidethat he was not sctli%ieotel,
the er°
Mr. WYLD thought the line proposed bYtito Gtifol.i.l
Navigation Company, and sanctioned by ,pensereill'i
meta, possessed great advantages. The %ea° t l''ls
p_orntion of the line was paid b Stutz Mediterrjeto die , Iles
IndiaTh ttaffie from Bombay to htloegeut of 11.1''g 01.1
wh Company, and that was the only The oarrYlc .
presented any great obstruction to tee.
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of thchis important plan of steam consnetteicatit'e to °.loo`
Lord NAAS, inreply,said he did not inter' dip. ,
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The amendment was then negatived witthe OPP'
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