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LONDON, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 1844.

The LORD CHANCELLOR last evening communi-
cated her MAJESTY'S answer to the address presented
by the House on Saturday.
Lord BROUGHAM said considerable anxiety pre-
vailed among persons who wished for the abolition of
the Slave Trade, in consequence of reports respecting
negotiations which were going on between France
and England on the treaty of 1830 and 1833, and he
would, therefore, be glad to hear from the Foreign
Secretary any statement on the subject that might be
consistent with his public duty.
Lord ABERDEEN said negotiations were going on;
but the House might rest assured that nothing would
be done which could in any way impair the means
of suppression of the abominable traffic in slaves.

The Duke of WELLINGTON stated, in reference to a
motion of Earl FITZIVILLIAM, that he would offer no
opposition to a return relative to the military and
police in Ireland. He trusted, however, the Noble
Earl would forbear all reference to recent events in
Ireland.

Earl ..rnzwiLuAm expressed his concurrence in
the views of the Noble Duke, and the returns were
ordered.

Lord NORMANUT postponed his motion, on the
state of Ireland, till Tuesday the 13th.
The LORD CHANCELLOR informed the House that
he had received- a letter from Admiral PARKER,
acknowledging the tote of thanks agreed to by their
Lordships, for the gallant conduct of the British
naval force engaged in the operations in China.
Lord MINTo thought some further mark of her
MAJESTY'S approbation should have been conferred
on Admiral PARKER, when, after a few words from
the Earl of HADDINGTON, Lord BROUGHAM said it
was most unconstitutional to interfere with the pre-
rogative of the Crown.

41. brief discussion then took place on the Duke of
RICHMOND'S Bill relative to betting on public sports,
which was referred to a Select Committee.

Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice, that he should move
for certain returns on Tuesday (this day) from the
Bank of England, and the House adjourned at Six
o'Clock.

In the Commons, on the motion of Mr. STRUT?, a
Select Committee on petitions for private Bills was
appointed.. The names of the Members will be found
in the Parliamentary report.
In answer to a question from Sir C. RAPIER re-
lative to the establishment of military posts by the

United States on the Oregon territory, Sir R. PEI.
said he had no other information than that which the
Gallant Officer had.

In answer to:another question from Mr. PATTISON,
relative to any alteration in the sugar duties this
session, the Right Hon. Baronet said the Hon. Gen-
tleman was the youngest Member in the House,
and that alone could justify him in putting such a
question.
In answer to dthird question from Lord JOHN Rus-
SELL, respecting the Oregon territory, Sir ROBERT
PEEL said that some progress towards an arrangement
had been already made, and the British Minister who
had gone out had very full instructions on the subject.
In answer to a fourth question from Mr. HAWES
relative to the Post-office, the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER said he did not see any necessity for the
renewal of the Post-office Committee. With regard
to a paragraph in a morning paper stating that the
whole of the revenue of the Post-office was to be ap-
plied to carry out certain improvements in that esta-
blishment, there was not the slightest authority for
supposing that it emanated from the Government.
Lord JEEMYN presented her MAJESTY'S answer to
the address. •

Mr. BLEWITT said a report prevailed that her MA-
JESTY was in debt, or in the Parliamentary phrase,
that a deficiency of the civil list had occurred, and
that there would be an application to Parliament on
the subject.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he was sorry to hear any
Member of the House give credence to such a ru-
mour. It was entirely destitute of foundation.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM, in answer to a question from
Captain PECHELL, said he was afraid the report of
the Census Commissioners could not be laid before
Parliament this session.

Lord LINCOLN said, in answer to a question from
Captain BERNAL, that the erection of the Nelson
Monument in Trafalgar-square, was under the
management of a Committee, but the other works
were under the direction of the officer of the Woods
and Forests.
Mr. GLADSTONE moved for a Select Committee to
consider the Standing Orders relating to Railways,
and to consider whether any and what new provisions
should be introduced into new Railway Bills. A
number of Members spoke, but as the discussion was
not long and the subject is of the first importance,
we refer our readers to the Report. The motion was
agreed to.
On the motion of Mr. GLADSTONE a Select Com-
mittee was appointed to inquire into the Merchant
Seamen's Fund.

After some routine business, the House adjourned
at Seven o'Clock.

A few words which fell from Dr. BOWRING in
the course of his speech on the late outbreak of the
Irish Attorney-General, in the discussion on Friday,
deserves consideration. After speaking of the causes
which have led to the present excited state of popular
feeling in Ireland, and which have induced a very large
and extensive party in that country to advocate the
repeal of the legislative union, as a panacea for their
miseries, the Hon. and Learned Member proceeded
to press forward the lesson which this state of things
suggests, in reference to questions which lie nearer
home than even Irish commotion. " The more," re-
marked the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, "he saw
of our present mode of government, the greater was
his conviction that local legislation was required. And
when he saw how little the Legislature had done for
Wales, how little for Scotland, how little for Ireland ;
when he observed how much ignorance of the real
wants of the people prevailed amongst the Members
of that House, he could not help becoming more and
more convinced of the great need there was for
local legislation."
This appears to us a most important reflection. At-
present, indeed, we are only. menaced with a-division
of the British empire from one quarter -of its ter=
ritory, and we trust that that menace is far too im-
potent to prevail. We believe, indeed, that if only
proper measures are taken that fatale separation
may never occur. The union of the two
countries may even be consolidated by means of
a wise, liberal, and enlightene line of policy,
such as the present disastrc:-..: sLa' 4tiairs suggests.
But there is another alternative, .1 we tremble for
the peace and prosperity of the empire while an in-
fatuated Ministry have it in their power to resort to
it. By spurning all remedial measures as needless—
by regarding Ireland as permanently tranquillised
through physical force—by continuing to treat her
population as they have been treated, as helotes to this
country, " aliens in blood, language, and religion,"
from ourselves—by maintaining a hateful intolerance
towards the religion of seven-eighths of the population
—by denying them, as we do at this very day, the
protection of equal laws—by conduct such as this, a
Ministry may and will jeopardise the union between
this country and Ireland.
What is going on in Ireland is pregnant with most
important counsel as to what is taking place in other
parts of the empire. Why Ireland dislikes her rulers
is evident. She has no confidence in them. She has
witnessed their shameful disregard of justice. She
has had too convincing evidence of their indifference
to her prosperity. Carry forward the investigation
nearer home. Men are men all the world over. The
same passions actuate the human breast in all climes
and under every modification of society. A hatred of
injustice is as instinctive in the Russian serf as it is
in the Swiss free man. Natural dictates may be for
the time quelled, but they never can be wholly
eradicated.

Will the people of the remainder of
the British Empire for ever submit to
partial legislation, to legislation conceived in
ignorance, and therefore carried out into oppres-
sion ? Will Welshmen— will Scotchmen—will En-
glishmen for ever endure that their wrongs should go
on accumulating ? It will be replied, they have done
so, why may they not continue? We point to Ireland,
and ask, how is it that a nation, resolute, brave, and
intelligent as she is, has suffered centuries of op-
pression without resistance, deferring the day of her
redemption till the cup of her w oes has run over, and
the only answer which suggests, itself is derived from
the forbearance and long suffering of man. But there
is a period to all things, and thel, limit beyond which
tyrants may not trample on die privileges of their
slaves may be near at hand. It is worth the while of
legislators to look for it before it has arrived.

We have perused,—as matter of routine duty,
rather than from any expectation of enlightening our-
selves or others by such perusali—the usual " Stand-
ing Orders" of the House of Con imons, in their usual
printed form among the " Votes:and Proceedings" of
Friday last. There they are, as :they have been, year
after year,for the last 60 or 70 year s. most sententiously
announced, most technically word ed, and with solemn
gravity propounding constitutional axioms which are
violated every week in the year, -without even decent
pretences to concealment, and wiith impunity as cer-
tain as the visits of Sir R. Pox L's income-tax col-
lectors. Thus the world is seri lously apprised that
the House bath " Resolved--Th at it is a high in-
fringement of the liberties an d privileges of the
Commons of the United Kingdoi n, for any Lord of
Parliament, or other Peer or Pll ;late, not being a Peer
of Ireland at the time elected, aJ I not having declined
to serve for any county, city, or borough of Great
Britain, to concern himself in:the. election of Members
to serve for the Commons in Parliament." The Tory
journals supply the illustration_ of the practical work-
ing of this " order," and the Oppositicin jour-
nals confirm that illustrati on, by the contro-
versy—not yet quite cos leel—about the un-
toward return of Mr. BRI.Gitl for the city of
Durham. " We have beaten
,you," (cry the Liberals
and the Whigs) " on your own si tcred ground. All
the Church and Tory interest -that used to be suc-
cessfully enlisted for •the ret-arn. of the thick-and-
thin-going Lord DUNGANNO.Iir, 1 ave failed against
our Anti-Corn-law League ult ra, Mr. BRIGHT:'
" True," respond the discoinfin 2d Conservatives—
" but your success is owing- on ly to defection in
our own camp." This defmtit m is an admitted
fact between both parties ;. ; and when asked
wherein it consists, the answer et .mmon to both is—
that my Lord LONDONDERBY, having taken offence
(as he is very apt to do) at some ) previous slight, real
or imaginary (which his Lordship is nervously acute
in detecting), in neglecting to coin ult him about the
choice of a former candidate (an ab. 3tinence implying
more wisdom than one would readily ascribe to the
ci-devant constituents of Loyd Du, wommoN), "the

Gallant Marquis declined to exert his influence
with his numerous tenantry, tradesmen, &c.,
in the prebendal city." Can any commen-
tary more strongly demonstrate the general rule
of violating the "Standing Order" we are
now adverting to than this admitted exception Y
It is evident that in Durham (and the case is the
same in some hundred other places) Peers of the
realm do, customarily and notoriously, " concern
themselves in the election of Members to serve for
the Commons." This " Standing Order," then, in
the shape of a " Resolution," has about as much
moral reality or effect, in discountenancing the prac-
tices it is levelled at, as the stone corbels at the doors
of the Treasury in intimidating the "men of silk"
who defraud the public revenue ;—or the sculptured
gothic effigy of the treasure plunderer en the entrance
into the old Exchequer Chamber of Westminster
Hall, in deterring such delinquencies as forgeries of
Exchequer Bills.
Then we find, in virtue of No. 33, that the Ser-
geant-at-Arms is strictly enjoined, "from time to
time," to " take into his custody any stranger or
strangers that he shall see, or be informed of to be
in the House or gallery, while the House, or any
Committee of the whole House, is sitting. No per-
son so taken to be discharged out of custody without
special order of the House." Again, specially
" Ordered, that no Member of this House do pre-
sume to bring into it any stranger whilst the House
is sitting." Now, let us see how this "order" is ob-
served in practice every day throughout the session.
In the first place, there are three galleries besides
those for the resort of Members. One, calculated to
contain about 100 persons, is appropriated every even-
ing to parties introduced, each by a written order
—not " special" of " the House," but—of any indi-
vidual Member. A second, of less capacity and more
eligibly placed, is devoted to parties introduced under
order of the Speaker himself, by their names having
been previously entered on the Speaker's list. A third
is the Reporter's Gallery, filled every clay of the
session, from the commencement to the end of the
House's proceedings, by the gentlemen who contri-
bute the reports to the London papers. Each and
all of these. galleries are occupied entirely by
"strangers." Thus,--first the Members in their indi-
vidual capacity ; secondly, the Speaker in his ; lastly,
the doorkeepers under the sanction of the Speaker,—
are each and all of them daily, notoriously, and openly
violators of this " Standing Order." But the impunity
with which the Sergeant-at-Arms neglects the
injunction of these " orders " is still more
amazing. That he may have no plea of
inadvertency or ignorance, he is not allowed
to acquit his responsibility by one irruption into the
gallery ; he is " from time to time" to take unhappy
strangers into his safe keeping for their intrusion.
Neither shall he plead that be "has not seen " such
parties, for he must perform his duty if he be even
" informed" of their presence. Therefore, unless the
Sergeant habitually turns his back upon—the Order
of the House and the galleries—so as not to see at all;
—he cannot "from time to time" do what he is en-
joined to do. Unless he be as wilfully deaf, as he is
technically blind, he must not hear when information
touching such offenders is given to him. Unless the
public be contented, and their interests consulted, by
these barefaced infractions and contempt of Parlia-
mentary orders, the•orders must be periodically re-
newed, with all the solemnities that can consecrate
dead letters ! Such things are no batter than tom-
fooleries in the year of grace 1844.

The accounts from Madrid are to the 28th ult.
The Gazette contains a decree for organising a Royal
bank at Madrid, under the name of tke "Bank of
ISABEL II." In the Eco del Commercio is the fol-
lowing. extract of a letter from Alicant :—" The
Government have determined to institute an inquiry
into the cause of the insolvency of the British Mining
COmpany in that City, which had been directed ex-
clusively by British subjects, having at their head
the British Consul, WARINa. In the month of April
last; it was stated that the profits made by the Com-
pany had amounted to an enormous sum, equal to 61
per cent. on the capital subscribed, all of which had
since disappeared." _

The Three per Cents. were done on the 27th at
27 cash, and 27 3-16 at 60 days, and the Fives at '2O
for the 15th of March.

We have received the Paris papers of the 2d and
3d inst. Beth Chambers met on Friday. In the
Chamber of Deputies, in announcing the death of
General BERTRAND, the faithful companion of NA-
POLEON in his adversity, M. DE BRICQUE-
VILLE said, " his loss will be keenly felt
by all well-thinking men. We have now
a duty to fulfil—to unite his ashes to those of the
Emperor. The Chamber, in so doing, will perform
an act for which France will feel grateful. It is
only just to bring together in the tomb two men
whom history will not disunite. I appeal, therefore,
to the Chamber to deliberate on the means of satis-
fying this desire, common, I think, to us all: With
your permission, I shall draw up a proposition on the
subject, and present it regularly." The motion was
adopted by acclamation. In the Chamber of Peers
the Minister of Public Instruction (M. VILLEMAIN)
introduced a bill on secondary instruction. If we
may judge from the papers it will meet with great op-
position on the part of the Church and its supporters.
'The Journal des Debats adverts to it in favourable
terms. " The principal question," it states "is frankly
and literally and liberally solved, agreably to the
promise of the Charter; but it is solved at the
same time with all the prudence and reserve which
incorrigible passions and turbulent pretension have
rendered necessary. The liberty of instruction is
proclaimed; the right of families recognised ; but
the right of the State is scrupulously reserved ;
the action and authority of the Government are
guaranteed by the conditions, formalities, and se-
curities required of the directors of private schools.
We remarked that those guarantees were more corn -
plete and more rigorous in the new project of law ,
than in the one submitted three years ago to the
Chamber of Deputies. We shall not undertake to
justify in that respect the present project of law ;
the occurrences of the last three years sufficiently
account for the additional guarantees which the
Government has thought proper to demand of
those who claim, with a view and a tone known
to all, the right of concurring with the Uni-
versity in the education of future generations.
Such is the bearing of the clause, in virtue
of which every candidate pretending to the
direction of a private seminary of education, is
obliged to affirm that he belongs to no congregation
unauthorised' by the laws." It is viewed, however,
in a very different 'light by the High Church party,
as we learn from the following rabid attack made
.on
it by their organ, the Univers :—" The odious con-
' tends for precedence with the absurd. It is a law
against liberty; it is the most completely injurious
and perfidious monopoly of the present times. The
University wishes to supply all the professors, to
nominate all the judges, to burthen all the budgets,
and thus force the dissemination of its doctrines. If
such a laW be established, then there will be an end
to religion and to liberty; the Charter will become a
fallacy—the Church a slave. We will not seek to
characterise the consciences of those who can submit
to this debasement. • The project comes from M.
VILLEMAIN ; his name is stamped on every line."
Intelligence was received at Paris on Satur-
day of the death of Donna CARLOTTA, wife
of Don FRANCESCO DE PAULA, which took
place at Madrid on the 29th ultimo. She had
a severe attack of measles, which terminated fatally
on the third day. She was sister of the King of NA-
PLES, and consequently of Queen CHRISTINA and the
Duchess of BERRY. Her death will cause much scir,
and some revolutions, too, in political circles at Ma-
drid. She was in her 34th year. The resignation of
M. SALVANDT formed the great topic of conversation
at Paris, from the personal interest which the ICING
took in the division respecting the London pilgrims.
Report says that LOUIS PHILIPPE, in an interview
with the ex-ambassador, laid his hand on the grand
cross of the Legion of • Honour which -SALVANDY
wore, and, said—" I did not gii:e you that to vote
against my dynasty." Cu the 'subject the Debate
says :
" A report was current.. three, daS'S, agoi.that on Monday
evening, on leaving the Palace of the Tuileries, after a pri •
vats conversation with the King,.M. de Salvandy sent to his
Majesty his resignation of the embassy at Turin. This fact
is true. On Thursday it wAs.stated, first, that M. de Sal.;
vandy was disposed to withrirrnw.his Fsiguat ion, and secondly,
that he would shortly Kt; out on. his return to his post. It
being found impossible to arrange ;Ana Second point, a Council

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