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ts°P,d"nstairs below until Sir Gregory went up
.stairs
114(1%?1',,Ir• Nlaberiey. He was hnproved in mind in
bssi ' "'tore 1840 Le was not so well. I found him.
p . ness like; his conversation was rational, and he aP
I'B4o psrf,cily to understand business. In August
12 6 dirl not appear quite Si) well iii bodily health. _
11.8,1 Sir P. KFLLY—From :893 down to the time of
airli„-'sth I never knee? Sir Giegory to execute any in-
.`inte,t, eace t his
in-
Jr e • will.
lia e tlenry Herbert &Althea. called and examined by
lia rL4encle—l am a phy.,ician, and have been in prae-
-I:o:aamb°,," forty Years. During that time I have .seena
G , -"IlY insane persons It was my duty to
triaag,c7 Paße Turner. 1 was called in to give my topic
eela, On him in the latter end of 1840. I. was againir
11, -IVO to see Lim in 1841. I fo4W him with the 1 •
twsh.entd:
that
rvt,roans .i 0 I18a4•aos. calllteldlBin4
Ito., sweeasheimalleadndinttoogsiveee
sal°Pinion about his case—l mean an ordinary opinion
Ise he! he might be relieved from restraint. When.nl.
Relar:l4l ils 1840 I considered his was rather a si
1 ,•`;llSe, because, though insane in conduct, his con-
stielcill'on was not such as to infer insanity. He ha_d. Pa"
,iiioarities in dress, dirty habits, and a dispoie
a:44st' to heard articles ef no value. . Hod dim-
N 7 rationally In 1841 I examine , hi
'called convex...3a. tions with him. Mr. Macerley
44 of Pa in to see Sir Gregory in the latter
g th—anuary, 1841. I saw him on that occasion ton-
Neiter With Dr. Warburton. Dr. Warburton was an
Sir 'llt Physician, especially in cases of insanityi
to 44 liegury twice before Dr. cameWarburton,hanedoecasichs
es4e.e_Pirlion on the sul-eot. e
toa '"d rationally. We thoughtli it ao-onultd tr) e expedient
tlaiintlve restraint to see how he conducted hiras.ele A.
1)1.4311.4,1e :( think he could understand a will, and to ex,
i'l bisual: i'ishes in a rational manner to the disposal
Vatv erLer'ertY• I don't tlunk I saw him again in 184 .
4e, Vats
a short time betel.° his death; that was after.
lelitieleterfined to his bedroom. He then had had epi-
Oro,
twice jaiAamined by Sir F. KELLY—I saw Sir Gregor f'
toluar the early part of 1841. I do not say he awes o
,11,4 nrra4lll on either of those occasions. I
o_
the ! "'Pared to recommend a supersecleas.
periods,
er it , etThreission at either of those perrod
and ,411(1 have been my duty to do so. I then, held,rer.
„Chats?, hold, a commission to report the state of el
am
''fled „I lunatic patient to the Lord Chancellor.
!he 10: qisitor of Lunatics." It is my duty to report to
aces ,!.T Chancellor the state of each lunatic. I have
Ore? „.411er of lunatics since 1834. I first saw Sir
ie";:l about 1835 but it might have been earlier. I
bbef(lrelt.%ineially once a year ; the last time not long
Ila, ary'''eath. From 1835 to 1836, when I first saw
e'er Wag anti
the time of his death, I cannot say there
,11,4Dese;,')IPeriod when I would have recommended
ta
'eztia"cist of theme commission. I would never be an a -
sliti,bjeet:;illeas to lthe will of any person who was the
ilia Si. ; ,a commission of lunacy. I probably conversed
'B4l s- irlregery about half an hour, when I saw him in
greistud'i,leient to satisfy my own mind. Sir Gregory 1
illid it e 'al of annoyance from the presence of a keeper.
That was
11 reap.l.4l Proposed to remove that keeper.r.
Istioa-f aint to which I referred. The second conven.
New"' 'a about the same duration. I think our co
elepi„.4t turned very much on schemes fur his future
kat! to up arid occupation. I only recollect the ge-
l') anrllaor of the conversation. The object was
L'lli in-: out how he would conduct himself,
.4' (be-I.l\itY having always shown itself rather from
Wits 110-;41:1 than his conversation. I think the restraint
ktetaZzensoved until after the second meeting, the two
*Eta tOB being very near together. I think the keeper
%shell removed. I was informed of his subsequent.
ki842.4)"1,41Y next official visit in the beginning of
-411 e - wfished to see whether he conducted himself as
akpie this after the restraint was removed; for ex-
Nesadtcip e if he would retrain from getting drunk and
Int a:llN' his money. I was not intormed of his hay-
J'ai7„*''tnek on the evening of the 14th June in the
more .-mt a the restraint was removed. I heard nothing
cituillt 11/18 him for a lung while. If he had got
tera,°,,l' the very first occasion after the restraint was
ettlieiE.4l I should have recommended a keeper to be re-
llettra Of ; these circumstances of getting drunk I never
sb4t3°rclite tht thn
until 1 heard of them in court. I have under-
getting drunk on strong liquors was the
tirlakaL°liBtie of Sir Gregory's case. The indulgence,t_ ino
teoiar, all agerevnte his disease of insanity. i is n
Illteai-„° 1 (recurrence for an insanity of 16 or 17 years'
ali.sio"g to be cured; such things do occur. The eons-
tey , 11 las issued in 1823. I never could detect from
tisiii49o4(!ralitions with him that he laboured under any
faction
Lana' , I would hardly call the circumstance of. a
4etion-'-''''ng his hand to another from the dread of hi-
% 0;'14 delusion. He used to drop tallow intentionally
14ro e bide of the stairs on going up to his
114(1 ?lc and on going down on the other. He
*blab' On an extraordinary hoard of old clothes,
den "no would have scarcely picked up on a
t, Ahili rr
4e ti. " .-te used to cut holes in the sheets. These
I:itiit.e,r.7
room,
of his insanity. He kept a great
ep,.ana
is be 4
, which he used for the purposes r
lteti.,•
cat net. •
rhere. was also another habit of his, col-
pi raugekad heaping up scraps of paper as if they were
1'1%4 ill irePortance. The occurrence of epileptic fits
As f 1.4e',4 to the inference that insanity was continuing.
denote ILN the epileptic fits denoted anything they might
116tiaK* "311a0 Organic change of the brain. Epil as.sy
" v011ara::!-41.°ae trom a change of structure in the brain,
4re.
E• %atilt_
ria 5 trona no such perceptible change of stale-
binsanity tar^a'ePtic fits would be very likely to aggravate
404aralY-Si3-'.erke there bad been a predisposition that way.
the hi w, eieh is the result of a temporary pressure
order. ;rain, would be likely to aggravate his di-
thela„, am aware that Sir Gregory's affairs were in
kbotiChuiagernent of a committee. I never heard a word
hi -.5 having made a will whilst I was in attendance. on
41* Ur
tc It _, • Ms berly never consulted mu as to his competence
ttui ;iitre a will. I heard the
tmwillcopyre a d in court yesterday,
of it about a week
op de
• .Staberley also se
be, "I(cl:treys ago. Ile senti itn me (Allis own accord. I never
torursd I the wi.lnil aetaarlly untiln
N• i 1842, when I found him de-
ed ILSti4livsl(l,lpileptic fits. I think that was my annual
vl„4lt. I Was with him some twenty minutes, long enough
"see that he was not competent to be restored to his
ti.iii rights, and that he was kindly treated.
lie-examined by Mr. PEACOCK—I saw no Elul-
:4h, tt of paralysis about him when I saw him
;'.lll a view toi ascertaining whether the li-
,"trtiiiik might be removed. When I saw him in
`1,41:1 think he was capable of understanding the
R"tare of a will. He seemed to be capable of under-
-hlnding and knowing the different members of his fa-
-hIIY. .There was no noticeable defect in his memory
vt-e-11 I• in 41 It is a general rule with me
hi ' saw him lB • under commission
el' to attest the will of any person a
(41alartei.
mm'iLord CAMPBELL—Supposing there had been no
n.
17: l4oon of lunacy against him in 1841, and if he
Just been called in in an ordinary way to see him,
.I
ttllllllll not hay then thought it right
.to witness his
I,eieedwith the history of his case of which I was p
sa4.l,iewhael Rook etilled, and examined by RICHARDS
qrerinas:,,,ono of the attendants or keepersMonr.the late Sir
46 'rLY C4ge Turner. I was appointed such keeper in
kiliVaerrioer, 1823. I attended him in that capacity till
Italll4rY, 1841. During that period I was constantly.t
hirbittlendance upon him. I walked and drove out with
et ' '''td-slept in his room. I was also daily in the
The arcing with him, and of knowing all that he did.
12.1.3. &re:ti.."l,. why I left him in February, 1841, was that
4111,, "Lucy and Warburton thought him sufficiently
elk al: RO about by himself. I returned to attend uhpar
t 43., aloe--at'iti Nevember, in the same year. I first went k
tleiet" ,"), his room of a night, and left in the day-
This de then Lad fits occasionally of a night,
aaa zftleti flea e
--- te --• , perhaps, about
six
months. I theta be-
-4114e attend him were constantly, because the fits_ bae-a
l'ell I-las h°re frequent. I then attended him by
inday
't h,14- "Y night. I was now merely with him case
oceic.- a fit iti the streets. After I lett him on the fiehl.
ben hl, Lady Lady Turner sent for me to return.. I rem.
.a
tae e,i,,,-,-elugattseked with a carbuncle in his back h
!aeisa-„I Part of 1840. That rather impaired his bodily
gala t 'or the time being. After the carbuncle had letet
t'ul:ilatthl.laellned more collected, and used to care Teri-
a4a". f hl mod
He also left off some of his pecu tar
eatei °I; instancy, he used to rub his face with brown
Car ' alter he
144 tairt or
1840. Ile it, and he left that off about the
He then remarked that he could
,i,t.li a;'.". those habits off when he thought proper.
_Hee
'le hja not then soparticular in opening &ors, as h
ell'
with h" h d ha d; and he was not so averse
118 1 .eitip h- la. na-e a h had been. When
1 eit C 13 Metcal man as e at; tea •
te tit e ' in 1841, he had entirely left off those
•-;, 'II): ,have spoken of. When I came back
t°ll-,' lhle-se 18N. ovember I did not find that any
ti,_th retard bits had returned. I never knew
:ell quiteso long as I knew him. I considered him
-eel".lsttea.pti.bleof transacting any business, and ho
d
Peti 4et
verywerumbl and rationally. His behaviour an
11151` '2' y proper in the year 1840, andupiitoe
°Ile" YI
I:341. He had an extraordinary manner.
tire,. ljectelli- money prudently and to. the best advan-
'',lt d - was in the habit of purchasing books whehl
la b e a tit with
It Otight
sottetihim; he was fond of old books, which
a and sometimes at stalls.
ttik::l7, hooks be itaeleesctaetd cam% to a little more money
took " had, he
would select another and less costly
l'aelneia,aaild Rt t the bookseller to take off something. I
".member
so er his brother Sir Edward Turner calling to see
Gregory" tirtle about 1839 or 1840. I know Sir.
;',rotce? 41 formerly had an objection to see his
be' 118 -- On this occasion I asked Sir Gregory
would
see his brother; he said " Yes," and
11°Itetr'e! and received him very cordially. He
~,11,iial hie brother to come and see him again. I went
I..,'lrni,,l.rattst.4) Mr. Maberley'a office and met Sir Edward
"'s b' thin"
I was riot present when Sir Gregory raw
hi i:other with Mr. Maberley. When I was with him
1 th 1141?,!nd 1841, and when I came back to him in 1842
memo; " was capable of doing a rational act requiring
tidl:„Y;:indenaent, and reflection. Mr. and Mrs. Fryer
:'`.atta:Pl32llY always treated him as a sensible person.
+rep -Ns the end of his life I observed his health was
. 4141trati ila consequence of the fits. I observed that was
er the latter end of 1842.
• ,l'et.°62.exunained by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Sir
il,oria°:)' lived in a house in the Alpha road belonging to
ate. ,Z!,; and I took in lunatic patients in a house oppo-
'il:lat „,av hen Holmes left the house about 1840 I took it.
elnast„ -as before Lady Turner came. I continued
A sn'r of the hcuso until I left in 1841.
I,hte"),PPlied the necessaries for the house, for
!•,, i of received a sum of money. Lady Turner
.1 idi-thr,‘ Tee the man,iti ent of the house until I left.
tefvl4lli,th,,, /),-Ilseftvip douse lip to this time-I. have
f
1 t':g:•/!'''`ltY"o dir,titgit;tievreek 'in ,consideeatiun o
'I mean • to • oar lwas
1 a i'1.*611.6 'Nll'' 'frit el' • 1842' • •;I :was
i
t .e k 4t-iii.lwratiiariCAloi 'Februaras -
c::,..-
4e.
9,A it, ,titijx P.- tile iritif itialt; for the itrurpers.e
libt
(il
If ttelttp iiceogohdainutic, in cab,?.: ....Hd.
6, t ii Int ho4aciapiintßif,,,,iigned by s:lttnessr, ie.
?to
file'iai id t.
• /,h ii% glil4pd a difipti4,..atoxpit,istghi4 , rs eh tuani al
de, tib.t.aeitte.
„,.(1 iij
'Aia A eme 6 Si? ip• ory 1 . I
A.
41.1-4 f ;3!1e1,.. It•lhretti*l adilieteer tam lv, . A.
-,e'oll 21t,cifoitv, f tifirmio; I have not a distinct
e--°4 ' thitW I -di'd.i(ot wake that affidavit fir

the purpose of getting the salary allowed. I dorA ro-
member just now for what purpose I rnade it. After
I left in 1841 I have, on some occi:%bions,
watched Sir Gregory. I did not do so oti the
evening of the day o❑ which he first went out.
(The cast, was procf..eding when our re:::ort left.)

CRIMINAL COURT-(IRIS DAY.)

OLD COURT.
(Before the RECORDER.)
A lad, named John Clark, who had been convicted of
stealing: two shirts and other goods, the property of
Alfred Gila was sentenced to be transported for seven
years.
Two young men, named Cooper and Ellis, who had
been convicted of larceny, were sentenced to twelve
months' imprisonment, with hard labour.
The Court, at its rising. adjourned to the 16th inst.

IVIARLBR.O'-STREET-(THIS DAY.)

TWO VERY RESPECTABLE MEN ? Edward Clark
and James Clark, two notorious thieves, were placed be-
fore Mr. BiLgbana, charged with being found loitering
about Jormyn.trcet under circumstances of a suspicious
nature.
It appeared from the evideuce of J:aipta and Gunimer,
two active otli eery of the C division, that about six o'clock
this morning they were on duty in Jermyn-strett in
plait, clothes, when their attention was called to the
prisoners and another, man, not in cuaudy, who were
lurking about in a very suspicious manlier near u
silversmith's shop. The constables watched them
for a few minutes, when the prisoner James
Clark left his companion end crossed over to
the opposite of the street, and examined the door
of a poblic-hDuse. He then came back to the other two,
and they all ~tree walked owards Regent's-circus fol-
lowed by the constables. Directly the prisoners and the
other man caught sight of the constables they attempted
to run elf, but the two Clarks were immediately collared
by Jeapes and Gummer, and the other effected his
escape. The constables conveyed the former prisoners
to the station, arid on the way there James Clark threw
away the two skeleton keys produced, which were
picked up by another constable. At the station the
prisoners were searched, and on James Clark was found
a dark lantern, two large black bags, and a box of loci-
ter matches. the keys were so contrived that they would
pick almost any street-door lock.
The prisoners, in answer to the charge, said they were
two respectablle men, and the reason they were in
Jermyn-street at that early hour of the morning was,
that they had promised to meet a friend there and accom-
pany him to re.atket. The bags found upon them were
for the purpose of putting their goods in, and the lan•
tern they carried to show them light. As to the keys,
they knew not Bing at all about them.
In reply to Mr. BusoHaar—Jeapes :tied the bags were
about a yard wide and two yards iu depth, and were
such as were commonly used by thieves and burglars.
John Story, 414, City Police, said the prisoners be-
longed to a notorious gang of thieves and housebreakers,
and had been in custody several times.
Mr. BINGIi AM remanded the prisoner for a week.
A DRUNK: gN COUNT.—Charles Count de heist was
charged with !wing drunk and refusing to pay his cab
fare. - _ _ . _

The noble defendant, last night, while in a state of
wine, got into u cab, end after having been driven about
for some time, got out, and refused to pay 45., the amount
of the cabman's fare. The cabman, who was deter-
mined not to be bilked, drove the Count to the station.
The Count, who now expressed his willingness to pay
the cabman, was fined five shillings for being drunk.