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perform their duties ; that union, however, shall he T`
a
special fetid, nod the state shall undertake to improve
the farms, set uld they not say in other unions that it
%cies no ire or them to exert themselves when those who
neglected tl dr duties were much better treated by au
state.—(Bear,
t ay l b
.7(uhioair, hear.)
a.), The plan proposed by
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mgioseod y effectfar
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ule soeunttt—s
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allay wretchedness andt
would result in the infliction of more serious
iejilry, not only to Kilrush, but other distressed ed
rs
o r
unions in Ireland. who would expect to be reat
in a similar manner. He regretted deeply the misery
and wretcheduess which existed ; but he must soh
what be was obliged to repeat, that there were cars
tain exertions and certain duties to be performed
which ougl t not and cannot be left to any Legislature
or any Government, duties of landlords and tsnants one
to another, and both to the labourers by whom thel
should be employed; and if these are not sufficiently
performed, no Legislature nor Government can perform
them. There was, however, a change now goings °,ll
under the operation of the Encumbered Estates 11°,.
passed last session, which, if extended to the lifiruso
union, and if it so happened that estates in that district
could be sold under it, he believed, considering that o
superabundant population did not exist there, that CS
thei
pitalists would find labourers quite ready to give
best exertions for nothing more than a fair and 0'1;45
rate remuneration. He believed that that Act won
make a great change in the social condition of Irelanci;,
but he did not think that such a remedy as that prorashe,
by the Honourable Member for the county Lterei,
that the lands in the union of Kilrush WITS
be cultivated at the expense of the state, 1° f,
do nothing more than not a very bad example, all",fas
fered a mischievous precedent hereafter, which, ies*-- s
of improving, would make things much worse in vas
parts of Ireland. Fri
• end
Mr. HORSNIA,N being alluded to by his Ilon.
the Member fur the county of Limerick, would sYb--0
few word:. It was certainly his misfortune te Le,
present at certain scenes in Kilrusb, and he verily Pot
lieved, that if they travelled Europe th would n
find such h, concentration of misero y as beey witnessed °.
that occasion. The Right Ilon. Gentleman the Seerhen
tray of State fn. Ireland said that one•fourth of t
money advanced to the distressed unions in Ireland SvP,
given to Clare, and was not that a sufficient proof
re:
the extent of misery which existed. The
at the head of the Government observed, that if they
acceded to the proposition of his Hon. Friend, tbe st:
would to taking that upon itself which properil i,"esi
longed to indisiduale. But were they not doing lousy
and day, by advancing money to the distressed not'
and even to Kilrush ut that very moment? SYlVellird
then, step one. cf the ordinary course, aeu The
relief. to this distressed part of the country? ring
Right Hon. Gentleman said they would be interrelife
with the rights of property; but was not hums°
of more value? And if they went back to first ~P;der
Noble Lo
ciplee, was human life to be sacrificed ie6
]doe
to protect property? His Hon. Friend proposed t° tee
the union in a state of commission, that inasmuch 1/"siate
landlords had grossly neglected their duty, the "-For
ought to step in and save the lives of the peePles' tb°
his own part he believed from the beginning IP% 110
motion would not be acceded to by the Goverueuell"cii •
believed his Hon. Friend's purpose was to raise state
mission, but something should be done to remove s
a tbe
of things which was a reproach to that House and t° •
count
Mr. dtve
ry
HUME agreed in the general principles e
as
by the Noble Lord, but was it not worth their svP•Tee
money was already advanced, to obtain the fullest il!
alien as to why so much distress prevailed in that tlnic' ;
His Hon. Friend said that so much distress did OtAieliris,
in the civilized world, and ought they not, as ere-te-rn it
to have an examination made cn the spot, to sscerkeeser
the landlords were in such a condition as to give
sold'
to the people, and if not, that the lands shoul'ue,fte
That he considered was a legitimate course to be to
for when information was obtained, the Goverlle
would be in the same condition as they now were' Go'
therefore' hoped e Noble Lord at the head of the the
vernment would grant the commission prayed for by
motion of his Hon. Friend. leas°
Colonel DUNNE belived that no one in the "se
)laved
would refuse the commissions if they hoped or hea
it would do any good. But what was its objeesl' tb°
the first place, to obtain facts. He submitted tuit-sreal
House was already in possession of sufficient facts rood
the report of the board of guardians and of th,e, the
jury, and that no commission whatever could au"; ate ea
information of the House. As to the present s'ediea
the union, the second object was to devise rete,ne bti
They had already had many remedies devised wil`rotes
not been acted upon, and others which had h`^„,
most injuriously. One of these remedies was' "-et ten
the management of the poor out cf the holl"sralsl3e;
landlords, and to put it in the hands of paid failed
This had been the case in Kilrush itself, and hg" -015ad°
to do any good. One proposition which had beell_sieel
by an Hon. Member he altogether dihsented from
of confiscating the property of the landlords. 'PI, Or
fords of Ireland had no more right to have l!le:1;ifor0,
n
perty taken from them in that way than the se
of this country. Nor were they, as a body, the csutirelf
that pauperism which it was proposed to saddle e
upon them, even to their ruin. sole
Lord NAAS concurred in much that bad bile°, ilia
the Noble Lord, but, at the same time, seeing the ]ail;
were not called upon to institute an expensive on"„aeses
system of relief; but merely to inquire into the ;der l°
which had produced such gigantic misery, ill o.e-ifills;
outer
iubn ree
raLeesooariudnrschte-e.ssl
dtuoeohut
thataa n
yumnohi motion.—ro ri erres
devise means for its removal, he did not feel hie' ear.)
trlifefilaiededf thefirno
navNo
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the spring advanced, he should not have voted
motion. "-sores'
Lord J. RUSSELL—I did mention various °-
from whence reliefmight be hoped for. sl
'O4l/
Lord NAAS had understood the Noble Lord
to look for this relief from the operation of lielefatgle
which had been recently passed, and not from Bee eioo°'
or direct intervention on behalf of the suffering
and despairing of these producing such an sol'e"°- el, be
of the existing distress as was imperatively reeler.)
should feel it his duty to support the motion.--s( ~d
Sir G. GREY said the Noble Lord opposite bayed
support of the motion entirely on his despair Ihie ci°l
the Government produce any particuiar an‘ites—ersl;°:
mifetahsautrewfoars tahe relief npe,
reasonableo f thearb
niinidl r
euns hlcu, icObil
s'-'OA-ritorityg;
measure which he himself believed would hae"„eef
th
because it would raise expectations on the psi, eilllo''
people who were now sunk in the deepest rniserlnly
could not be fulfilled, and therefore would be °-eeet ° •
gravating the evil they all deplored. With jr°sit /11
the motion of the Hon. Member for Strom', to co'"
in or brought forward on two grounds, first,
lect information; and second, to devise reseed ]d have
would ask it it was possible that the House con 0
more explicit information or fuller details thee
red'
which were already before the House from vori°llred, i$
tors; and if any further information was reglilte°°'
was not necessary to appoint a special Governolcochr;
mission to procure it.—(Hear, hear.) As t°, t„,eber l°S
they had in the House the Honourable 31eresr;
Limerick, who was well acquainted with Oa' 60cltel;
the country, and the Honourable Member Or 00,0'4
mouth, who had been an eye-witness of tb° egeassi°,lll;
which existed in it. He would say that at/ esstlFS'earo";
as to remedies that might be made by these ri°-tbe epee
Gentlemen would be much more valuable tile° ,ere jutft
nions of a Commissioner sent down to isTect-bleL°s's
these matters by the Government. But the l'h°lo pit's
said be should support the motion, se his N°",ist
(Lord John Russell) had not promised any olic;cessolva
sure for the Kilrush union. True, CO such littliess
were contemplated, but his Noble Friend thelle
sod,
he thought, that there was ample ground for rpessoui
the operation of the measures they bad airea,Zev; btieetl
and which were calculated to extend emplej
prosperity throughout the whole of the coulltrY. eover
f tho r
been generally agreed that one great cause the 1
vO5 e
and want of employment, was to be found ie
unable t° 6P'_4 el'
sion of the land by owners who were aev Peeucll
those who live upon it, and were surrounded retectes
ary difficulties; and further, that the onlY w5Y,00 ioceuso
that wt's, by selling the land free from tirtbeSe
brances, and letting it pass into the hands e' cor:ler
had capital, arid who were willing to emploY that
thlieo
in the improvement and cultivation of the raj,9° and,, ia
that opinion the Government had peer „es Ac the
Parliament had passed the Encumbered 1? from
order to effect a legal release of eetete9ospiou :set •
possession of those who had neither th°llsir opea
perhaps, the will to employ labour, and ti lot Igoe
to those who had both.—(Hear, hear.) toe O, in
important measure, and should be allot-soul, fate* or-
rate before any premature judgment aS tonilbe oloSt that
fluersce on the country was arrived at. 'sot Wiges'e by
portant and essential measure cf improvers be "00 the
-
labour should be employed, arid it ought `Trenctltreo he,
voluntary agency, not by the direct interTi 0. Propenw
Government.—(Hear, hear.) Bet the ~ °oo°%o wh°
fur Montrose appeared to wish that ;POO/ thr's
should step in and confiscate the property
had not paid the poor rates. seetlete
Mr. HUME—No, no. her
g°lll re *ou
Sir G. GREY—WeII, then, the es°`ilie 01**,:tellel be
he (Sir G. Grey) meant, that by eye
tb°
the Encumbered Estates Act those prop who l'"seos°
means of employing labour,
gradually transferred to new proprietors,
oa Roc the
improvements on which the real Pr°L3ll, lioeoport
country must depend.—(Hear, bear.) dto siihtbsi?
and setting' am tb°
Noble Lord opposite would not be indtlee t was ed,
the motion by any idea that the Governaint. eeist°oier
indifferent to the amount of distress whisrther
11r°
that they were not going to propose tot could 56:.aV
sures when these might be required. 1"_os als° iota
him that such was not the case. And he mums et ror sislt
the liberty to correct what he considered "",,s to t"
aro tots e'
which the Noble Lord had fallen. lie! were sot is
that the resources of the Kilrush tOO% sect; et
exhausted. That did not appear to belt ' eeratl"
A 0 °C
it were, the estates would come ceder off
the Encumbered Estates Act, and would thug
°s e?
alteration for the better.
art of. e4)t)'
thought there was a disposition on the.pa had
ro
!jells
vernment to underrate the difficulties theYsusictee
Mr. 11. HERBERT supported the motion' becaies `a°°
tend with in Ireland. This was no dona,ol"ileeethtiere
on their part, but it was not less true. -t.sumer, butah,
Baronet opposite was a gre at property tei;hl; imp,rbYloiS
were districts in Ireland which, so districts
resource t Ye°.
so far received no relief, but the
t_s_he ee%sou,
the iiste- uoic'e
were so much diminished that before this
they would, unless assisted, be found
laden til°,ossiees
these he mieht ,
were growing worse. There were w/rsvhic4e
runt unions. Among t
Wee v" • e the P f
Ho quite understood the difficu.
d that lseearic; °
Noble Lord had to deal, but he believe
the "'" it oc.
it did now, in
tb
law was left to operate, ashe Was /.00 00
of Listowel, to which ho had called thttenthotnia lawsiliech
Listowel and Clonturk, with whicil
__e Coedit' Qv/
quaiuted, it would reduce them to the st_u_ted for 5
circa
Kitrush. While on this subject be wished bee recei fee
moments to draw attention to a WWII goober
contradicting the statements of the