The Sun.
London, England, 1857-07-30 00:00:00

(LEFT eITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMslolU—(This Day.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
CASHEE. ELECTION.
The SPEAKER, announced 01,0, Vie petition against
the return of Sir T. O'Brien had been Avit%drawn.

ELECrION CONIMITTEEi.
The following counnaittees were sworn at the table of
the house :

BEVERLEY (Bonouon).—Mr. T. W. Evans, (Derby S )
Mr. J. H. Foley, Lieutenalit-Colond. Brownlow Knox,
Mr. S. B. Miller ; chairman, Mr. J. Abel Smith.
SUGIo (BonouGH).—Mr. J. NV. DA, Earl Jermyn,
Mr. John Martin (Tewlosbnry), Mr. J. B. Smith
(Stockport) ; chairman, Sir J. Yards
DUBLIN (CJITY).-31r. Ayzton, Hon. R. IL Dutton,
Earl of Gifford, Hon. Francis Scott ; chairman, Mr.
T. E. Headlam.

The three committees will meet to•morrov at eleven
o'clock.

POLICE (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The committee en the bill was resumed at clause 24.
Clauses from 24 up to 36 inclusive were agreed to,
with amendments.
Clause 87 was struck out.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to.
The LORD ADVOCATE proposed a clause exempt-
ing Orkney and Shetland from the provisions of the bill.
Mr. STIRLING opposed the clause.
The clause was, after a discussion, withdrawn.
The LORD ADVOCATE then moved the insertion
of a clause to exempt police vans from turnpike tolls,
which was also opposed, and pressed to a division.
The numbers were—
For the clause
Against it 0
Majority
—5B
The clause was then added to the bill.
The LORD ADVOCATE proposed a clause for regu-
lating the assessments to the police rate, and Providing
that the whole rate should be paid by the landlord.
Mr. STIRLING oljeeted to the l -e and moved
an amendment that the rate shou!d bee clause,
equally on
the landlord and tenant.
After a discus,ien the conarnittee divided, For the amendment ................. .. 16
Against it ................................. 57
Majority ...........

_ _ ........... .
The clause was ultimately added to it;£l.b
...i.l*
On the clause giving powers to borough, and counties
to amalgamate for the purpose of thii act,
Sir J. OGILVY. moved an amendment to I,.av
to the end of the clause, and insert—" but it "ut
be lawful for either party to alter or put an end to Rt%ht
consolidation in the manner hereinbefore provided till
after the expiry of two years from the date of such
consolidation."
The elmmittee divided. The numbers were—

--41

For the amendment l2
Against it id

6ority
The clauseM viajm agreed to and added to this bill.7 Several other claueei were added, and the bill passed
through committee.
The house regumed.
NEW ZEALAND LOAN GUARANTEE BILL.
on the motion for the F3ocond reading at the bill,
Sir J. TRELAWNEY complained that the Govern.

I ment bad given no rea,.cris to the house for guarantee-
ing this loan of (000,00)1. to New Zealand. He con-
sidered there was no si.a.lient security fcr this loan,
and he moved the second reading of the bill this ery
six month. The objects of the loans were first to pay
120,0001. fcr the redemption of the colonial debt ;
secondly, 200,000/. to the New Zealand Company in
respect of former transactions, and, thirdly, 180,0001.
to'vards the ex'inction of the rights of the natives for
their lands. He complained of the manner in which the
natives had been treated in reference to their lands, and
he gave an instance where on'y 23,9401. were to be paid
for upwar3s of 190,000 acres. He referred to the for-
mation of the committee, who reported in favour of the
bill, and the. witnesses examined. The former, he
said, comprised eight members, three Pr four of
whom were col nial in their feelings and dispositions
or likely to be favourable to the colonies, whilst there
were but few of thorn who might be considered inte-
rested in this subject for the sake of the public. Orly
two witnesses were examined by the committee, one the
prime minister of New Zealand, and the other a gentle-
man connected with the Colonial-office. He thought
other gentlemen ought to have been examined by the
committee. The hon. baronet made other objections tO
the bill, one was, that as the New Zealand government
could obtain the money in this country at 8 per cent., her
Maj esty's.Goverr. ment ought notto guarantee this amount
at 4 per cent., and another that the Colonial Assembly
was not unanimous on the loan, but adverse to the bill.
There was another reason for not guaranteeing this
money. The Government of New Zealand was in an
unset;hd state, and already had borrowed 300,000/.,
which did not appear in the evidence taken by the com-
mittee.

Mr. W. WILLIAMS seconded the amendment.
The fact that the Government of, New Zealand could
not obtain money in the market at less than 8 per cent.,
showed that their security must be bad.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that this country should
be cautious how it guaranteed money, but he
thought there were cases in which it ought, and
could be done safely and satisfactorily. The Govern-
ment had given such securities to assist rising colonies.
He entered into a detailed statement of the negotiations
that had taken place between this Government and the
Colonial Legi-lature relative to the guarantee, in the
course of which he said he had informed the Colonial
Government that they must not rely on Parliament as-
senting to his proposition. He considered the loan was
required for a fair and legitimate purpose, but before
submitting this bill to the house he took the
precaution to obtain the appointment of a
committee to investigate it He defended the
committee from the attack of Sir J. Trelawney,
and the right honourable gentleman read the
names of the committee, which included those of Lord
J. Russell, Sir J. Pakington, ex-Colonial Secretary, Mr.
Henley, Mr. J. A. Smith, himself, Lord Stanley, and
Mr. Wise. Mr. J. A. Smith was the only gentleman con-
nected with the New Zealand Company on the commit-
tee. He thought that in a committee of the whole house
be should be able to satisfy them that the money might
be safely•guaranteed Unless the colony were guilty of a
gross breach of faith, there was ample security for payment
of capital and interest, viz., the customs' duties of the
colony and the land fund, the former of which amounted
to 100,0001. a-year, and the latter 80,0001. After re-
ferring to the debt of 200,0001. owing by the New Zea-
land Government to the New Zealand Company, he
asked the house to agree to the second reading of the
bill.

After some remarks from Mr. GILPIN,
Mr. HENLEY, one of the committee, addressed the
house on the question, but his speech was cut short in
consequence of its being 10 minutes to 4 o'clock.
The debate was consequently adjourned.
INDIA.—HER MAJESTY'S ,ANSWER TO THE